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Old Mean Dog
09-30-07, 05:32
If she gives you a couple good fucks everyday, she may be worth the money!
Can you hire young, pretty girls who would have sex regularly for a fixed monthly salary?
If I wanted sex, I would just call a xiaojie and I don't know any xiaojie that would clean my apartment for 600 rmb a month. I don't want to cross that line, if you start banging your maid, then she stops doing her real job.
Yep, you can hire a xiaojie or possibly a common girl, but there are many variables such as; Do you want her to be OOC and exclusive, will you give her a place to live for free, pay all common bills, let her "work" when you not around,etc.
-CPE
The problem with bring a Chinese Wife back to the U.S. or U.K. is that they will be bored. You could not possible spend the same amount of time with her that you did when you were in China. If you don't have a big Chinese community then she will not make a lot of friends. This is why the Chinese girls like the ABC who lives in CA a lot better. We have a big Chinese community, Chinese newspapers, Chinese policemen and 24 hour Chinese cable programs.
If you are a White American who does not speak much Chinese, if She does not speak much English, you live in the mid east part of the U.S. with very few Chinese people then you have to work a lot harder to make sure that she is happy otherwise she will get home sick.
I an sure that the Chinese women who marry a man from San Franscisco , New York or Boston will be the most happy. These 3 cities have the biggest and best China town's in USA. If you really think about it , if a Chinese woman marries a man from Utah , with a total population of 8 Chinese people , your fucked. She will leave you.
If she speaks perfect English , then maybe anyplace in USA or UK and other English speaking countries are OK . The marriage may work.
90% of them don't speak any or little English and they feel like slaves in the home. They can't work , cant talk , its a life of misery. Would any of us live like this? Its simple logic. I know there are more than just mongers on this site. Think twice married minded men before you make this leap.
Good luck and stay safe
tile man
The answer is YES . You can have the poor mans maid ( "ernai" second wife for sex) for about 1000 to 1500 rmb in Guangzhou and about 800 rmb in Nanning. Just remember what SZE said , you will probally fall short on the cleaning , cooking and keeping your clothes clean.
Is your call , the young one who can't cook and clean OR the old ugly one who will do all the housework for you. Oh , and trust me , the "ernai" will ask or try to con you for a raise after two weeks if you fuck her too much.
Good luck
tile man
1000-1500 RMB a month, including sex?
Appears incredibly cheap to me, considering that hiring a girl for one night can cost 1000 RMB.
I always thought monthly rates for hiring a girl as a temporary "wife" were something like 6000-10000 RMB.
The problem with bring a Chinese Wife back to the U.S. or U.K. is that they will be bored. You could not possible spend the same amount of time with her that you did when you were in China.
Yeah, best would be to stay in China, unfortunately at the moment I don't see any professional chances for me in China. So unless my parents pass away and I inherit money, I'm reduced to vacationing in China.
What I have thought of is to try this: Many Chinese girls want to know what it's like to live in another country. What I may try in the future when I'm in China is to chat up pretty girls on the street, asking them for their mobile phone numbers.
In case they agree, I could offer them to come "visit" me abroad and live at my place (I live in the EU) for free for 3 months. I think you can get a tourist visa for 90 days.
During that time I could have sex with her, while she lives at my place, then after 3 months she would have to go back to China. This would be like a temporary wife.
1000-1500 RMB a month, including sex?
Appears incredibly cheap to me, considering that hiring a girl for one night can cost 1000 RMB.
I always thought monthly rates for hiring a girl as a temporary "wife" were something like 6000-10000 RMB.
The price that I was giving you was just for a maid. A young one ( farmer ). If your lucky and she is stupid , you can turn it into sex. ernai's are all different prices in China. I have a 19 years old friend in Guangzhou that is an ernai to a Chinese man that has a japanese wife , he lives in Japan and spends about 6 months in China.
She may have 2 , 3 or more just like him , so that would equal maybe 6000 rmb per month. Ernai's are almost always not always live-in. Maybe we need to come up with a new Chinese name for what you want. "Maid / sex toy" Many guys on ISG have talked about have one. This will take some time and testing to see what you have for a maid. Nothing is written in stone.
good luck and maybe I can pass her name and number on to you , if I can find it.
tile man
In case they agree, I could offer them to come "visit" me abroad and live at my place (I live in the EU) for free for 3 months. I think you can get a tourist visa for 90 days.
During that time I could have sex with her, while she lives at my place, then after 3 months she would have to go back to China. This would be like a temporary wife.
The problem won't be that she'll be bored. She'll be thrilled. Also, according to studies, Chinese adapt best in foreign countries.
The real problem is to get her in the foreign country in the first place.
It is practically impossible for a young Chinese girl to get a tourist visa to the US. Even marrying a US citizen does not guarantee her entry. There are zillions of stories of legally married Chinese women waiting forever to be admitted. A late 50something friend of mine married an early 50something Chinese. And he had to involve his Congressman in Washington, so that he could bring her home for Christmas - and then back to China. After two years marriage, the couple is still waiting for her permanent residency.
Getting a "Schengen" visa for a Chinese girl to enter the EU is a bit easier. Ever the practical Europeans, they make you or your company sign paper that vouches for the Chinese female. You must be a citizen of the EU country where you apply, or your company must be registered there. Simply "living in the EU" doesn't work.
And 3 months for the first time visa? Forget about it. You'll be lucky if she gets two weeks. And if she doesn't go home before the visa expires, YOU are resposible for her and all the cost she incurs.
That smart idea of a temporary wife on the cheap could become very costly.
You must be a citizen of the EU
I'm a EU citizen, I'll have to inquire about visa possibilities.
How do all those Chinese restaurant owners in Europe get here actually? Some kind of mafia?
I'm a EU citizen, I'll have to inquire about visa possibilities.
How do all those Chinese restaurant owners in Europe get here actually? Some kind of mafia?
Not at all. Business investment. Germany even has a special visa category for Chinese cooks.
I'm a EU citizen, I'll have to inquire about visa possibilities.
How do all those Chinese restaurant owners in Europe get here actually? Some kind of mafia?
I too , am trying to help some Chinese women get to the USA , but most of the Chinese resturant owners will not talk to me. Maybe they fear that I work for imagratition
Thank you
tile man
I too , am trying to help some Chinese women get to the USA , but most of the Chinese resturant owners will not talk to me. Maybe they fear that I work for imagratition
Thank you
tile man
What would your China women do in the USA? Work in a chinese restaurant? Perhaps they would earn more money work in some kind of MP in the USA. After all, going to the USA is an oppportunity to earn money or to marry a US citizen or both.
Old Mean Dog
09-30-07, 17:46
What would your China women do in the USA? Work in a chinese restaurant? Perhaps they would earn more money work in some kind of MP in the USA. After all, going to the USA is an oppportunity to earn money or to marry a US citizen or both.
In my line of work here, I see all kinds and hear all stories. The ones I like the best are:
1. If I marry an American man, the US Government gives me money each month for free! My response: Keep dreaming
2. If I need to work, I can get a job teaching Chinese! My response: Oh sure, it is a required class in all schools.
3. If an American man makes under 70k a year, he is poor. My response: you make 3000 rmb a month and you are being picky?
4. All Americans own a home and those few who don't are poor. My response: 70% of Americans are in debt.
5. America is so great, just like the shows on TV. My response: It's called fantasy!
6. All foreign men are more loving, sincere, kind and generous. My response: How many foreign men have you dated and/or know?
7. I don't need to learn English, I will do just fine. My response: Guess again!
8. I want a younger, rich handsome man for a husband. My response: Take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror.
so on and so on....
I will not con these ladies, but they need to be educated and given a big dose of reality.
-CPE
One added advantage about Chinese girls is that they would have more difficulties than local girls in pursuing you legally in case of divorce to get your money.
If she doesn't speak your language, doesn't know anybody here, doesn't have money to hire a lawyer and is no naturalized citizen it should be difficult to squeeze you for support money in case of a quick divorce.
Thesharkguy
09-30-07, 19:39
One added advantage about Chinese girls is that they would have more difficulties than local girls in pursuing you legally in case of divorce to get your money.
If she doesn't speak your language, doesn't know anybody here, doesn't have money to hire a lawyer and is no naturalized citizen it should be difficult to squeeze you for support money in case of a quick divorce.Don't you guys have prenups for that?
What would your China women do in the USA? Work in a chinese restaurant? Perhaps they would earn more money work in some kind of MP in the USA. After all, going to the USA is an oppportunity to earn money or to marry a US citizen or both.
My Chinese translator is here now in Florida , she makes about $100 USD a day as a waitress and she does want a husband too. But , she will over stay her visa in one more week and she is scared about this. I told her not to worry about this because we have about 13 million illegal's and the USA does nothing about them. The criminal illegal's have more rights than me and you do in our countries.
I am not a lawyer and I could be giving her bad advise and I really don't have time to research for her. We will see.
stay safe and take care.
tile man
Don't you guys have prenups for that?
Another Chinese women friend who married a man in Ohio made him sign a prenup ( for cheating ). She went to college in the UK and she has no flies on her.
tile man
Don't you guys have prenups for that?
First, Prenups can be broken easily (Just ask any lawyer), Here in California, prenups are broken all the time.
2nd if you get divorced here in Ca then it would not matter whether she speaks English or not. There are a ton of Chinese Lawyers here ready to take you to the cleaners. Ca is a no fault state which is very bad for the guys.
3rd, it is easier to get the girl into the U.S. using a Fiance Visa than to marry her in China and then try to bring her into the U.S. With a Fiance visa, you can bring her into the U.S. for 90 days for a trail. If you marry her during the 90 days then she can stay in the U.S. If you don't then she has to go back to China.
This was a great way to bring a girl to the U.S. for 90 days, have fun and then send her back however I was told that you can only do it once.
Lastly, if you live in San Francisco or Los Angeles then she would not even need to learn English. I have actually met someone in Chinatown who was 4th generation Chinese-American (his parents, grandparents and great grandparents were all born in the U.S.) and does not speak any English. He deals with all Chinese people and even went to a Chinese School here in the U.S. that taught everything in Chinese. You can even take your driver license written test in Chinese here in CA. English is becoming a miority language.
I have so far have 5 Chinese-American friends who have found their wives in China, brought them to the U.S. and married them. One of them have gotten a divoice and she got half of everything plus his house.
Talk to any divoiced guys and I don't know one guy that came out on the better part of the deal. Becareful of what you choose, just have fun in China, no reason to ruin your life (if you choose badly).
With a Fiance visa, you can bring her into the U.S. for 90 days for a trail. If you marry her during the 90 days then she can stay in the U.S. If you don't then she has to go back to China.
This was exactly the kind of arrangement I was thinking about. You meet some pretty girl in China somewhere on the street, in a restaurant etc., ask her for her cell phone number, then ask her to come visit you in Europe and live at your place for three months, during which time you can have sex with her and she can cook and do the housework, after all the rent isn't for free (of course you don't talk about this part of the arrangement beforehand).
Then, when the three months are over she can go back to wherever she came from and you can repeat the whole procedure with another one. I wonder whether this would work in case of the EU. Probably the main problem is all the paperwork for the visa.
One Wing Low
10-01-07, 02:04
She's better off leaving the US on time then apply to return. She can go back to China, or somewhere closer, like Mexico or Canada then apply for reentry visa from there.
If she overstays her visa, her applications for reentry into the US will be suspended for about 10 years for each violation. Even if she marries a US citizen, she will not be allowed to enter the US.
This problem happened to one of my cousins. He spent $100K on immigration attorneys without being able to bring his wife in. That 10-year suspension is a sentence imposed by immigration judges and is casted in concrete.
My Chinese translator is here now in Florida , she makes about $100 USD a day as a waitress and she does want a husband too. But , she will over stay her visa in one more week and she is scared about this. I told her not to worry about this because we have about 13 million illegal's and the USA does nothing about them. The criminal illegal's have more rights than me and you do in our countries.
I am not a lawyer and I could be giving her bad advise and I really don't have time to research for her. We will see.
stay safe and take care.
tile man
One Wing Low
10-01-07, 02:19
What would it cost in SZ, CP and ZH to hire a young pretty girl for company a few nights a week, and she can do whatever she wants outside of the appointed nights?
Where would you go to find girls for this kind of arrangement?
This is a theoretical question. I understand there are a lot of variables. Just a rough estimate would do. I hate to pay 800 RMB a night for the KTV girls. 500RMB a night for the Yalan girls is not too bad. 12 nights a month would cost 6000 RMB or about US$800. You have the advantage of novelty with new girls every time. Add in 600 RMB for a real maid a month is not bad.
Yep, you can hire a xiaojie or possibly a common girl, but there are many variables such as; Do you want her to be OOC and exclusive, will you give her a place to live for free, pay all common bills, let her "work" when you not around,etc.
-CPE
This was exactly the kind of arrangement I was thinking about. You meet some pretty girl in China somewhere on the street, in a restaurant etc., ask her for her cell phone number, then ask her to come visit you in Europe and live at your place for three months, during which time you can have sex with her and she can cook and do the housework, after all the rent isn't for free (of course you don't talk about this part of the arrangement beforehand).
Then, when the three months are over she can go back to wherever she came from and you can repeat the whole procedure with another one. I wonder whether this would work in case of the EU. Probably the main problem is all the paperwork for the visa.
I am not sure about the cases in EU however here in the U.S. you must prove that you have known the girl for at least 2 years (pictures, phone calls and visits) and you can only do it once. They don't say once per life time however when I asked the government guy what if I chose the wrong girl and then meet the right girl later, he told me it would be very tough to get a second fiance Visa.
She's better off leaving the US on time then apply to return. She can go to go back to China, or somewhere closer, like Mexico or Canada then apply for reentry visa from there.
If she overstays her visa, her applications for reentry into the US will be suspended for about 10 years for each violation. Even if she marries a US citizen, she will not be allowed to enter the US.
This problem happened to one of my cousins. He spent $100K on immigration attorneys without being able to bring his wife in. That 10-year suspension is a sentence imposed by immigration judges and is casted in concrete.
I agree that it would be better to leave and the come back later however the problem is that unless she has a good reason, the U.S. may not give her another Visa.
It might be best to talk to an immigration attorney.
What would it cost in SZ, CP and ZH to hire a young pretty girl for company a few nights a week, and she can do whatever she wants outside of the appointed nights?
Where would you go to find girls for this kind of arrangement?
This is a theoretical question. I understand there are a lot of variables. Just a rough estimate would do. I hate to pay 800 RMB a night for the KTV girls. 500RMB a night for the Yalan girls is not too bad. 12 nights a month would cost 6000 RMB or about US$800. You have the advantage of novelty with new girls every time. Add in 600 RMB for a real maid a month is not bad.
Once you get to know a girl and talk to her about getting her as a regular, I believe the price will come down quite a bit. You would not be paying the same price as someone new that gets her for one night. Just tell her that you will get her 2-3 times per week and will pay her 500rmb each time, I think she will agree with that rather than lose a long term customer.
I have a friend who is trying to bring his filapina to the US on a Fiance Visa. They have been waiting for almost two years now and still there is no visa. He sends her money regularly while I think she is probably sucking cocks in Manila. He says she is a nice girl and wouldn't do such a thing. She sucked his after he had known her for only 2 days.
I have read in the New York Times that many illegal mexicans have been sending in tax returns with a financial contribution, even though they are illegal workers and do not have social security numbers. Why? Because they are expecting an amnesty and they will then prove they have been living and working in the US.
I have also read in the Times that most of these chinese restaurant employees in the US are brought in illegally by the chinese mafia. They must work 12 hours a day for very small wages and only get one free day every two weeks. They have to pay off their smugglers by working a fixed number of years. Their families back in Fujian are in be in big trouble if the employee does a runner.
Bounce Around
10-01-07, 08:41
If she is in the US legally currently, has no criminal record etc. And lets her visa expire, it obviously not a good thing. BUT in my humble and somewhat informed opinion. If after letting her visa expire she marries a US citizen, and then files for a 'Change in Status' application along with a green card application she is not penalized for her overstay, and in fact by virtue of already being in the US, she is better off than all those other poor women who are outside the US waiting either for a green card or fiance visa, because she while being in the US is given priority in the green card application.
Also, eventhough her visa expires pretty soon, she can while it is still valid go to the local INS office and ask for an extension. As long as she even has one more day to go she can walk in and out of there with no problems! Its not like they are going to lock her up right there and then.
Bounce Around
10-01-07, 08:48
Sorry. Didn't include this in my last post. But for all you horny US guys who don't want the pleasure of travelling to China and seeing your greenback spread its wings. (probably the only place you'll see that in this market)
Fiance visas are useless. Better off getting your girl in on a visit visa or even some other form of short term visa. You'll be waiting a long time for a fiance visa.
The general issue is if someone is already in the country (illeagal or otherwise) the government will give them preferance and as long as they have a petition in the with the INS that person can stay in the US, even if the original visa expires. So, like the other guy said he had to have is congersman involved unless you have some deep pockets or political connections good luck trying to get the INS to approve someone from outside the country to get in, knowing that they are never going back!
Old Mean Dog
10-01-07, 16:11
This was exactly the kind of arrangement I was thinking about. You meet some pretty girl in China somewhere on the street, in a restaurant etc., ask her for her cell phone number, then ask her to come visit you in Europe and live at your place for three months, during which time you can have sex with her and she can cook and do the housework, after all the rent isn't for free (of course you don't talk about this part of the arrangement beforehand).
Then, when the three months are over she can go back to wherever she came from and you can repeat the whole procedure with another one. I wonder whether this would work in case of the EU. Probably the main problem is all the paperwork for the visa.
Guess again! Even if you can prove that you and the girl have some form of relationship, i.e. photos together, phone bills, email messages, etc. it will still take 6-8 months to bring her over on a fiancee visa, that is IF your paperwork is in order and she passes the interview.
If she is deported, then you will be "red flagged" and you will have a helluva time the second go round, IF they even consider it.
-CPE
Sorry. Didn't include this in my last post. But for all you horny US guys who don't want the pleasure of travelling to China and seeing your greenback spread its wings. (probably the only place you'll see that in this market)
Fiance visas are useless. Better off getting your girl in on a visit visa or even some other form of short term visa. You'll be waiting a long time for a fiance visa.
The general issue is if someone is already in the country (illeagal or otherwise) the government will give them preferance and as long as they have a petition in the with the INS that person can stay in the US, even if the original visa expires. So, like the other guy said he had to have is congersman involved unless you have some deep pockets or political connections good luck trying to get the INS to approve someone from outside the country to get in, knowing that they are never going back!
The USA is very liberal about not forcing our wife to go back to her country. Even if she was illegal when you married her. It happens everyday in the USA.
Stay safe
tile man
Guess again! Even if you can prove that you and the girl have some form of relationship, i.e. photos together, phone bills, email messages, etc. it will still take 6-8 months to bring her over on a fiancee visa, that is IF your paperwork is in order and she passes the interview.
If she is deported, then you will be "red flagged" and you will have a helluva time the second go round, IF they even consider it.
-CPE
Is that for the US or Europe?
Once more, I'm a EU citizen, not an American, so US infos are useless for me.
Edit: Ok, so I've posted the issue on an immigration forum, so soon I will know what the conditions are for bringing a temporary wifey to Europe.
Is that for the US or Europe?
Once more, I'm a EU citizen, not an American, so US infos are useless for me.
Edit: Ok, so I've posted the issue on an immigration forum, so soon I will know what the conditions are for bringing a temporary wifey to Europe.I don't know the current situation, but 10 years back it took me 10 seconds in HK to get a guarantee form chopped (you need to guarantee to pay all arising expenses if the invitee doesn't return on time or causes other troubles). They might ask for a proof of sufficient funds. In my case they did not. With this form my friend (from Thailand) got her visa for Schengen in a few days. They didn't even ask about a relationship. She needed to get a travel health insurance from a recognized insurance.
I don't remember but I think it was good for 3 months. Just go to your embassy and ask. But note: The way they treated me in the German embassies HK and Bangkok was like heaven and hell. In HK no issues at all, in Bangkok I was treated like a dog.
I don't know the current situation, but 10 years back it took me 10 seconds in HK to get a guarantee form chopped (you need to guarantee to pay all arising expenses if the invitee doesn't return on time or causes other troubles). They might ask for a proof of sufficient funds. In my case they did not. With this form my friend (from Thailand) got her visa for Schengen in a few days. They didn't even ask about a relationship. She needed to get a travel health insurance from a recognized insurance.
I don't remember but I think it was good for 3 months. Just go to your embassy and ask. But note: The way they treated me in the German embassies HK and Bangkok was like heaven and hell. In HK no issues at all, in Bangkok I was treated like a dog.
Thank you for the infos, I found this:
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/de/WillkommeninD/EinreiseUndAufenthalt/Visabestimmungen.html#t7
What it basically says is that if you invite a person from China you will have to sign a guarantee to come up for any costs the person incures, in case the person can't pay for the costs him or herself.
Furthermore she needs a travel health insurance.
Finally it is up to immigration authorities to decide in each individual case, whether the visa will be granted or refused.
I wonder whether one can get some kind of insurance for potential costs she may incure while here?
Justinya77
10-07-07, 02:38
Even for a single guy here, I had an old maid in Shenzhen who was a fantastic cook and cleaner. When I moved to Dongguan and went to an agency, they sent me a 23 year old cute girl who could speak a little English, but she was pure shit at cleaning and cooking, so I canned her. I went back to the agency and demanded the oldest, ugliest maid they had and now I am happy again in my nice clean apartment, with a belly full of good food, wearing my nicely ironed clothes.
-CPECPE where is the maid agency. I have been here for 2 years and I would like to check into a similar clean house well fed scenario.
Old Mean Dog
10-07-07, 14:38
CPE where is the maid agency. I have been here for 2 years and I would like to check into a similar clean house well fed scenario.
If your in CP, the job placement agency is located on the side of the China Telecom Bldg., tell them you looking for a maid.
Old Mean Dog
10-08-07, 02:38
I have spoken to many gals here and it always makes me laugh at what they view as handsome and beautiful. So thought maybe others would like to compare notes:
Beauty: White Skin (love those sunbrellas), Height, Rounder Eyes, Arched Eyebrows, Bigger than common Boobs (seems most bras are one size fits all), Double eyelids.
Handsome: Big Nose (Big Nose=Big Dick?), Shiny Forehead, Big Earlobes, Dimples, Fatter (I found this is from the old days where they thought if a man was fat, it meant he ate good foods and if he ate good foods, he had the money to afford them), Height and of course if you are a laowai; eye color other than brown and the king; the whiter your skin the better.
I was also told that Chinese girls prefer not to marry anyone darker than themselves because they feel a dark skinned baby will not have much success here in China.
Would be interested in hearing from Chinese and Non-Chinese Punters.
-CPE
Bounce Around
10-08-07, 09:21
I have spoken to many gals here and it always makes me laugh at what they view as handsome and beautiful. So thought maybe others would like to compare notes:
...
Would be interested in hearing from Chinese and Non-Chinese Punters.
-CPEFunny you should post this as I was having a similar discussion with someone today. Seems Chinese girls like the eyes/eye brows, or at least mine and chest/arm hair. Which is again, cool for me. Height and general physique I guess goes for any country, 'big banana' though may cause price hikes, is generally preferred and craved (at least in non P4P) don't know about the fat part, slightly chubby or a budding belly hasn't caused anyone to run, 'da pigu' though is appreciated world over (within reason of course). I do have the shiny forehead, but I've never assumed it as an asset!
Don't know about the marrying dark thing, probably true; 'cause I'm brown, had two Chinese who did want the marriage thing, but then again they wouldn't have been raising the babies in China. I was told too white or hairless is a turnoff, but it could just have been for my benefit.
My Chinese GF always used to point out which girls boobs or butts were nice, but then again, so did those that weren't Chinese. Whats a double eyelid?
'big banana' though may cause price hikes, is generally preferred and craved (at least in non P4P)
What I do know is that punters will avoid a WL who have had many big banana customers coz it is believed that the big banana will distend the vagina and the punter will not have a good experience with a WL with a loose vagina.
I know of many Chinese WL who avoid customers who they know have big bananas. Reasoning: they dont want to 'spoil' their pussy.
Looking for a rich husband
What am I doing wrong?
Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful
(spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy.
I'm not from New York. I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at
least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind
that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think
I'm overreaching at all.
Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could
you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around
200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get
me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married
to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as
I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I
get to her level?
Here are my questions specifically:
- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars,
restaurants, gyms
-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my
feelings
-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?
- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east
side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have
nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead
gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story
there?
- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment
banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they
hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?
- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for
MARRIAGE ONLY
Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest
way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front
about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't
able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a
nice home and hearth.
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I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I
see it.
Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you
suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring
my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my
money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely
that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't
be getting any more beautiful!
So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning
asset. Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation
accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty
hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in
earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!
So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy
and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense
to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case
you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were
to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's
as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.
Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,
I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful"
as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to
believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K
hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.
By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then
we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.
With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of
lease, let me know.
Blacklisted
10-15-07, 06:44
Hey all,
Wondering if anyone has noticed the same strange occurances I noticed over the past month.
As we just had the moon festival here, I found when the moon was full, even over the three or four days, women were extremely amourous. I was getting messages from girls I have not seen in months and those I had were horny as hell.
On the flip side, recently with this dark moon, there has been major shortages at clubs, fights breaking out among guys and a general air of hostility and a distinct lack of any level of sexuality.
Santa, I need to direct the next part to you, as you are the researcher on all things of interest which are a little off the wall, so to speak: Any research around on this as a phenomenon?
I think a little more info forthcoming would be valuable for the brotherhood in terms of planning dates or pick up nights, etc.
Cheers,
-Blacklisted
Hey all,
Wondering if anyone has noticed the same strange occurances I noticed over the past month.
As we just had the moon festival here, I found when the moon was full, even over the three or four days, women were extremely amourous. I was getting messages from girls I have not seen in months and those I had were horny as hell.
On the flip side, recently with this dark moon, there has been major shortages at clubs, fights breaking out among guys and a general air of hostility and a distinct lack of any level of sexuality.
Santa, I need to direct the next part to you, as you are the researcher on all things of interest which are a little off the wall, so to speak: Any research around on this as a phenomenon?
I think a little more info forthcoming would be valuable for the brotherhood in terms of planning dates or pick up nights, etc.
Cheers,
-Blacklisted
Well, since you asked, yes there is a reason why there is now a shortage of customers at clubs and why the girls have a distinct lack of interest in sexuality, but it is not caused by the dark moon. The Communist Party members are having their congress! When they have finished talking about politics, their sexual interests will return to normal. :D
Well, since you asked, yes there is a reason why there is now a shortage of customers at clubs and why the girls have a distinct lack of interest in sexuality, but it is not caused by the dark moon. The Communist Party members are having their congress! When they are finished "talking" the situation will return to normal.
Good one on the dark moon Santa. Bright moon theory: Moon cake week is the 2nd biggest holiday in China , next to New Years. They are all on holiday , want to have fun , enjoy, get laid , get drunk and eat one moon cake for the family tradition , then back to the same old shit (work) after moon cake week.
Same as New Years here , everyone wants to have fun and get laid on New years , then back to the same old shit (work) when its over. So get ready for Chinese New Years my man and enjoy that happy sex . I am not so sure what kind of moon you will have this next Chinese New Year , but I am sure you will still enjoy , moon or no moon. The Chinese love holidays and love to party.
Enjoy and stay safe
Celestial tile man
tile man
Downunder96
10-15-07, 16:27
Chinese new Year (1st day of the chinese calender month) falls when the moon is totally out of our sight (dark moon) however Moon Festivals falls on the brightest moon (15th of the Chinese calender month)
there goes your theory :)
Good one on the dark moon Santa. Bright moon theory: Moon cake week is the 2nd biggest holiday in China , next to New Years. They are all on holiday , want to have fun , enjoy, get laid , get drunk and eat one moon cake for the family tradition , then back to the same old shit (work) after moon cake week.
Same as New Years here , everyone wants to have fun and get laid on New years , then back to the same old shit (work) when its over. So get ready for Chinese New Years my man and enjoy that happy sex . I am not so sure what kind of moon you will have this next Chinese New Year , but I am sure you will still enjoy , moon or no moon. The Chinese love holidays and love to party.
Enjoy and stay safe
Celestial tile man
tile man
Chinese new Year (1st day of the chinese calender month) falls when the moon is totally out of our sight (dark moon) however Moon Festivals falls on the brightest moon (15th of the Chinese calender month)
there goes your theory :)
I really did not have a theory DU , but thank you for your info. I don't really beleive in any of this moon and star shit. People just like to party when they are on holiday.
Take care DU and stay safe
tile man
Mock A Bee
10-15-07, 21:04
The answer
Tiger 888,
Thanks for posting about the b***h looking for a rich sugar daddy. It was pretty hilarious!
However, the guy was spot on about the fact that beauty is a depreciating asset. Woooo and I refer to the girls over the hill as "past pull date" - spoiled goods baby!
I guess most girls don't realize that basic economics applies to pretty much everything, and a completely rational guy will realize that girls become spoiled goods pretty quickly. Actually, anyone who makes a very large amount of money applies business sense to many things, in life.
Woooo and I figure in Shanghai, if the B*****s keep up their appearances and take care of themselves they have a ten year shelf life, after which they are spoiled goods. The goods are perishable! Best used before pull date.
So the result in Shanghai at least, is the competition to find a sugar daddy is fierce. We have noticed that girls not from Shanghai have to compete with the native Shanghainese so they end up learning the same attitude, tactics and tricks.
Basically in Shanghai, it is either up or out, sink or swim for these girls.
It is a cruel world out there.
Lesson learned - you don't buy depreciating assets, you lease them and return the goods after the contract is finished.
I think for truly marriageable girls, they have to have outward beauty at the start as well as a hell of a lot of inward beauty to compensate for when they go "past pull date". Most of these girls don't realize that, and few have anything but their quickly depreciating physical assets and zero mental assets.
MAB
Blacklisted
10-16-07, 06:55
Well, since you asked, yes there is a reason why there is now a shortage of customers at clubs and why the girls have a distinct lack of interest in sexuality, but it is not caused by the dark moon. The Communist Party members are having their congress! When they have finished talking about politics, their sexual interests will return to normal. :D
He he, nice one!
So this is new research possibility? Someone's thesis i would say. Happy to help with the research!
Guess it was a coincidence then!
He he, nice one!
So this is new research possibility? Someone's thesis i would say. Happy to help with the research!
Guess it was a coincidence then!
I am not sure if Santa or I would be all that accurate about our thesis but one 17 year study I did about food and sex drive , I am sure that I am very accurate on this one. I did this study while I was married for 17 years.
Myself and scientists have discovered a food that diminishes a woman's sex drive by 90%. ~ It's called a wedding cake. Please , all of you try not to eat this food.
Stay safe BL and take care.
tile man
One Wing Low
10-16-07, 09:53
I couple bros will get together in SZ Wednesday night. How about a dinner, cruise the BBS to pick up your chicks, then take them to a nice KTV for a party?
Anyone interested please PM me.
I am not sure if Santa or I would be all that accurate about our thesis but one 17 year study I did about food and sex drive , I am sure that I am very accurate on this one. I did this study while I was married for 17 years.
Myself and scientists have discovered a food that diminishes a woman's sex drive by 90%. ~ It's called a wedding cake. Please , all of you try not to eat this food.
Haha, ROFLMAO!! Another observational study is that men have a reaction to the metal on the wedding ring... they suddenly see more attractive women everywhere! I personally am allergic to any metal, so I cannot possibly wear a band.
Haha, ROFLMAO!! Another observational study is that men have a reaction to the metal on the wedding ring... they suddenly see more attractive women everywhere! I personally am allergic to any metal, so I cannot possibly wear a band.
Yes , I too had this problem but I am sure it was a Fruedian allergy. I did block OAH , SANTA and ACE from seeing my last post on the "Wedding Cake"
in hopes that they will eat this food. Reason for this ? When I get to CP , maybe there will be some of their leftovers for me and you Manfest.
I really think its a sign of sick mind that these three men and many more in the CP area that we all know, can have a beautiful , sexy woman every fucking night , talk about it on ISG , while I still work my ass off here in the USA. Maybe we can talk OR trick them all into eating this cake.
Take care Manfest and be safe.
tile man
1000-1500 RMB a month, including sex?
Appears incredibly cheap to me, considering that hiring a girl for one night can cost 1000 RMB.
I always thought monthly rates for hiring a girl as a temporary "wife" were something like 6000-10000 RMB.I had a live-in girlfriend for 3 months in Shenzhen and gave her average of RMB 8,000 a month. Asked her if she minded cleaning up the place and do my laundary and she said "of course not". Turned out that she went out and hired a farm lady for RMB 300 (3 times a week) and she paid her out of her pocket. She made sure that the apartment was cleaned and my clothes ironed.
It was a great arrangement: Ulimited sex + cleaning lady + supervisor
I had a live-in girlfriend for 3 months in Shenzhen and gave her average of RMB 8,000 a month. Asked her if she minded cleaning up the place and do my laundary and she said "of course not". Turned out that she went out and hired a farm lady for RMB 300 (3 times a week) and she paid her out of her pocket. She made sure that the apartment was cleaned and my clothes ironed.
It was a great arrangement: Ulimited sex + cleaning lady + supervisorHey are you sure you really 8000 rmb a month? That is a large amount of money in China.
How about cooking too? .
I believe you was overpaying so much!
Wizzy
Paris
France
I had a live-in girlfriend for 3 months in Shenzhen and gave her average of RMB 8,000 a month. Asked her if she minded cleaning up the place and do my laundary and she said "of course not". Turned out that she went out and hired a farm lady for RMB 300 (3 times a week) and she paid her out of her pocket. She made sure that the apartment was cleaned and my clothes ironed.
It was a great arrangement: Ulimited sex + cleaning lady + supervisor
I know a few women in Nanning , Guangxi would get about 1500 rmb a month for being an "Bao Ernai" second wife. And she MUST be at her man's demands 24/7 . She also must be loyal to him but I think most are not loyal.
The Bao Ernai does fetch more money in the Schenzhen and Guangzhou only because of the HK men with deep pockets. I wold think that Guizhou province is even cheaper becuase I think this is the poorest province. But remember , an Ernai is just a "sex side kick" for Chinese married men , not a live in. This would be more attractive to me than a live-in. I like my sex time and I like my alone time.
Sex in China is like a medical plan , there is one to fit all wallets. Pick the one you want and what coverage and deductable will fit your wallet.
Take care
tile man
Traveller22
10-18-07, 04:04
Hello to all,
I am new in China and was wondering how could you approach Chinese freebies in bars or public places if you don't know any Chinese?
Any feedback or tips would be much appreciated!
I'm the expert on that: Ask them (arbitrary girl on street, in shop, hotel, restaurant) for the direction to your 5* hotel, then ask them for their mobile phone numbers with your cell phone, by typing “你可以给我你的手机号码？” on it and showing them your phone. After they have given you their number, call them up and ask them out and meet up with them.
Hello to all,
I am new in China and was wondering how could you approach Chinese freebies in bars or public places if you don't know any Chinese?
Any feedback or tips would be much appreciated!
I'm the expert on that: Ask them (arbitrary girl on street, in shop, hotel, restaurant) for the direction to your 5* hotel, then ask them for their mobile phone numbers with your cell phone, by typing “你可以给我你的手机号码？” on it and showing them your phone. After they have given you their number, call them up and ask them out and meet up with them.
Traveller22 said he is new in China and doesn't know chinese. Also, he probably does not stay in a 5 star hotel.
Traveller, try waving some money at them, that will probably work best! :D
Old Mean Dog
10-19-07, 03:20
I'm the expert on that: Ask them (arbitrary girl on street, in shop, hotel, restaurant) for the direction to your 5* hotel, then ask them for their mobile phone numbers with your cell phone, by typing “你可以给我你的手机号码？” on it and showing them your phone. After they have given you their number, call them up and ask them out and meet up with them.
LOL, if he speaks not a single word of putonghua, what good will it do to call her up if she don't speak any English?
What happens if this fella can only afford a 4 or 3 Star Hotel, will the girl tell him to go to hell?
Some advice to the freshman: Hangout in Starbucks, the girls that frequent there are most likely laowai friendly and speak English. To increase your chances of getting freebies, teach English part-time at an English Corner or if you are in Shenzhen, hangout in Lychee Park on Sundays as that's where many of the English speaking people like to relax on their day off and practice their English.
-CPE
Almost a year ago, I started to lust after an early 30’s woman who served as our contracted translator and who also did some exceptionally good work in project management. She was very intelligent, funny, interesting to look at with a very trim tight body. Late last year I crossed over the line. I noticed she was having some back pain so I offered to provide her some effective back pain patches that I had. Trouble is, they have to go directly on the lower back and it is really hard to apply them yourself, so, being the gentleman that I was, I offered to help. She agreed and invited me to her hotel room and I was really turned on by her adorable backside which she readily exposed for me to apply the patches. Since I had never been with any other woman than my wife, I quickly excused myself apologizing for allowing myself to go that far. BUT, I couldn’t get my mind off that time so I mustered the courage to offer some no strings attached massage which I believe myself to be really good at. Again, she agreed and invited me to her room. I began an innocent enough massage but it soon got out of hand. No pun intended. As I was massaging the backs of her upper thighs, I allowed myself to ‘accidently’ brush up against the ‘promised land’ and received no cautions against it. Then, because her panty covered backside was available to do some kneading, I did that. Again with no opposition. Then her cell phone rang and as she talked on it I began doing her lower back, now with her nightie pulled up to her shoulders but she on her stomach. I again ‘accidently’ allowed my hands to creep under her nightie and up to her small but perfect breasts. She didn’t flinch of even look at me but continued to talk on the phone.
When she hung up, I was really curious about what the boundaries might be so I asked her to turn over so I could work on her tummy and the fronts of her upper thighs. She did but firmly pulled her gown down over her breasts to conceal them. Well, the gentle massage of her tummy and upper thighs got the best of me and I basically tried to go down on her thinking that she would stop that as going too far. Didn’t happen! She thrust her equally adorable puss into my face and helped pull her panties off. He apologized for being so wet already and allowed me to explore the first Chinese puss I had ever seen, felt, or tasted. And I loved it! Wow was she ever yummy! I made her come with my tongue while I had a finder stroking her g-spot. She told me afterward that was the first time in months that she had come and I believe her. I waited a while holding her and basically spooning and began again. The second time for her was even stronger than the first! She really was soaking wet but delicious. I know this sounds completely crazy, but I didn’t want to ‘do her’ because I felt too guilty. I wish I had stuck to that position.
A couple of weeks later, I was back at the same hotel where she stays and I asked if I could come and give her another massage. She invited me to her room and was all ready for whatever would happen. I told her I would like a massage as well and she tried to provide one but has no experience in Chinese massage so it was pretty weak. But then she told me to turn over and before I could say anything, she had my jogging trousers off and was giving me the first real BJ I have ever had. Naturally, I was so excited, it didn’t take me long to get all worked up. I warned her that I was about to pop and she kept on working me even deeper until I came. When I finished, she swallowed and just leaned back and looked me in the eyes, smiled sweetly and said those three little words: "I love you" and I was hooked! I cannot honestly remember how many times we actually made love over the next three months but is was not more than 4 times. Sometimes in her room and sometimes in mine.
The interesting thing was that shortly after the ‘I love you’ comment, the requests for things began. First, it was a pretty purse that she had seen in the airport, then, there was a special watch, then, a special cell phone. Truth is, I was so infatuated with her that I would give her anything she wanted. I bought her Victories Secret panties and a hot red night gown. I found everything I could with her English name on it from Christmas tree ornaments to fancy ball point pens to zipper pulls. I was even trying to think up scenarios where I could help her small son with his education and helping her with a higher degree so she could be hired by our company and advanced. I was a basket case! I probably spent $2000 dollars on gifts and cash so I could make her happy. Then it all came off the rails. And I still do not know what happened. She still works at the same things and we sometimes cross paths. But she will not even speak to me. A part of me thinks it is because she knows we cannot go any farther in our relationship but another part thinks it is just because she never really liked me and got what she wanted from me before discarding me for someone else. Whatever the reason, I think I am fortunate. I think I have convinced my wife that nothing happened and I had a really enjoyable three months doing things I never in my wildest imagination thought I would ever do. The hard part is that a part of me truly does love her and wants the best for her, even though I think she has treated me shamefully and the person I thought to be my best friend on earth acts like she hates me. So. Freebies aren’t always or even often free. There is a huge price to pay. Thankfully, I don’t think she has any ambitions of exposing me to my wife and I have confided in her immediate supervisor, if nothing else but to warn him. So. Be warned! It hurts to find yourself in the position I found myself and a part of you dies if you have a shred of decency.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Chocha Monger
10-20-07, 21:19
Guybert56,
You sound like a jaded lover. True, you spent about $500 per pop on that pussy, a very pricey adventure but you were the one making all the moves on this woman. She did nothing except passively allow you to have your way with her. Please don’t lie to yourself about your intentions to screw her pussy to shreds from day one. You knew what you wanted when you offered to help yourself and you got it, your first piece of Chinese pussy and your first real BBBJCIM, swallow with a smile and an “I love you” at the end. So, why is there a hint of bitterness? You say that a part of you loves this woman. Which part is that exactly? Perhaps, it is your cock? All too often loving someone is a euphemism for possessing them for one’s sole pleasure. In order to grow as a monger you’ll have to cast off the desire to possess women and realize that relationships are seldom more than an exchange of resources.
Yes. This woman suddenly ended the relationship. She may have had any number of reasons including the realization that you were not going to leave your wife to be with her; she may have found someone more suitable for her needs over the long term; or her job might have become at risk due to her relationship with you. Anyway, she did you a favor by cutting off the relationship. Think of the following alternative endings to your story:
1. The relationship continued and your wife caught you fucking around.
2. The relationship continued and you impregnated your Chinese lover.
3. You grew weary of buying her gifts and tried to end the relationship. She becomes angry and informs your wife of the hot hotel fuck sessions.
4. She decided that your offers to help her were inappropriate and reports your behavior to the relevant authorities. Your company terminates you immediately.
5. She convinced you to leave your wife and marry her. Then a few years later she divorces your ass taking you for all you’re worth.
Therefore, beside the bruise to your ego the only real harm done was to your wallet. It was easier for her to end the relationship by refusing to speak to you because the risk existed that the smoldering embers could once again flare up into full blow fuck sessions eventually spiraling into a messy break-up. Some women try to avoid the theatrics by quitting your cock cold turkey and this is usually for the best. You were rash in confiding the affair to her immediate supervisor, by doing so you placed her at risk along with yourself.
I wish you the best of luck in your future adventures and hope that you don’t get so caught up in the emotion next time. Once you’ve sampled some other Chinese pussies you will wonder why you acted so crazy. Of course, the answer is obvious to all mongers. You spent your entire life fucking one pussy and once you got your cock in another hole you naturally went out of control. The joy was overwhelming to your senses.
She agreed and invited me to her hotel room
A couple of weeks later, I was back at the same hotel where she stays and I asked if I could come and give her another massage.
I cannot honestly remember how many times we actually made love over the next three months but is was not more than 4 times. Sometimes in her room and sometimes in mine.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
She lives in a hotel room? :confused:
Guybert56,
You sound like a jaded lover. True, you spent about $500 per pop on that pussy, a very pricey adventure but you were the one making all the moves on this woman. She did nothing except passively allow you to have your way with her. Please don’t lie to yourself about your intentions to screw her pussy to shreds from day one. You knew what you wanted when you offered to help yourself and you got it, your first piece of Chinese pussy and your first real BBBJCIM, swallow with a smile and an “I love you” at the end. So, why is there a hint of bitterness? You say that a part of you loves this woman. Which part is that exactly? Perhaps, it is your cock? All too often loving someone is a euphemism for possessing them for one’s sole pleasure. In order to grow as a monger you’ll have to cast off the desire to possess women and realize that relationships are seldom more than an exchange of resources.
Yes. This woman suddenly ended the relationship. She may have had any number of reasons including the realization that you were not going to leave your wife to be with her; she may have found someone more suitable for her needs over the long term; or her job might have become at risk due to her relationship with you. Anyway, she did you a favor by cutting off the relationship. Think of the following alternative endings to your story:
1. The relationship continued and your wife caught you fucking around.
2. The relationship continued and you impregnated your Chinese lover.
3. You grew weary of buying her gifts and tried to end the relationship. She becomes angry and informs your wife of the hot hotel fuck sessions.
4. She decided that your offers to help her were inappropriate and reports your behavior to the relevant authorities. Your company terminates you immediately.
5. She convinced you to leave your wife and marry her. Then a few years later she divorces your ass taking you for all you’re worth.
Therefore, beside the bruise to your ego the only real harm done was to your wallet. It was easier for her to end the relationship by refusing to speak to you because the risk existed that the smoldering embers could once again flare up into full blow fuck sessions eventually spiraling into a messy break-up. Some women try to avoid the theatrics by quitting your cock cold turkey and this is usually for the best. You were rash in confiding the affair to her immediate supervisor, by doing so you placed her at risk along with yourself.
I wish you the best of luck in your future adventures and hope that you don’t get so caught up in the emotion next time. Once you’ve sampled some other Chinese pussies you will wonder why you acted so crazy. Of course, the answer is obvious to all mongers. You spent your entire life fucking one pussy and once you got your cock in another hole you naturally went out of control. The joy was overwhelming to your senses.I think your answer is why I actually put to print what I did. I needed to hear the unvarnished truth from someone elses perspective. You took a lot of time to think out all this and I appreciate it! Just so you know. #2 was never an option as I was 'fixed' a long time ago. AND, item #5 was done because there was a risk that her supervisor would fire her because of her hostile behavior AND, she told me that she HAD been impregnated by him some months before our tryst began. The reason for her back ache was an abortion. BUT! You are spot on about my emotions, except that I am afraid it was not my cock that is in love. Again, thank you!
AsianLover
10-21-07, 10:06
I am in Shanghai and have been cruising the bars, such as Malone's, Judys, Manhattan and an English pubaround the corner from Malones. My goal was to find a freebie to hang out with for several days while in Shanghai. However, I am not succeeding due to my lack of understanding Chinese woman.
Let me explain. When I enter these bars I avoid the obvious working girl who is dressed seductively then comes over to you asks a couple of questions then starts rubbing up against you, acting as if you are Brad Pitt and she must have you know. Within a few minutes, she is asking you to pay for LT or ST. I really don't like this set up and have avoided them.
When I get stuck is with the apparently "non-working girl" who I meet. She is in her last 20's early 30's, dressed normally and there with friends. After I meet, we talk for awhile, hang out and just have fun. She make hold my hand or such, but no real action. In the conversation, it comes up that I am leaving in a week, but I do travel back to Shanghai and willl return in 3 months on business. At the end of the night, she asks what do we do now and conversation moves to her gift. In the several cases, she does not specify an amount, but asks for a monetary gift to be with me. WTF? These woman say there are not WG, but just like a gift so we "both get what we need."
Can someone explain if this a a "smooth WG" trying to hit me up, or is this a typical Chinese woman who is "just looking out for herself and her financial needs?"
Thanks for your help.
I am in Shanghai and have been cruising the bars, such as Malone's, Judys, Manhattan and an English pubaround the corner from Malones. My goal was to find a freebie to hang out with for several days while in Shanghai. However, I am not succeeding due to my lack of understanding Chinese woman.
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Generally, chinese ladies (non-pros) do not go to bars, especially the ones you mentioned. They might go to the highend clubs with a group, but only once in a while. You are looking for a regular girlfriend in the wrong places.
Also, most regular girls have regular jobs where they work very very long hours. Therefore, when you do find a non-pro, you will discover that she has very little freetime.
I am in Shanghai and have been cruising the bars, such as Malone's, Judys, Manhattan and an English pubaround the corner from Malones. My goal was to find a freebie to hang out with for several days while in Shanghai. However, I am not succeeding due to my lack of understanding Chinese woman.
Let me explain. When I enter these bars I avoid the obvious working girl who is dressed seductively then comes over to you asks a couple of questions then starts rubbing up against you, acting as if you are Brad Pitt and she must have you know. Within a few minutes, she is asking you to pay for LT or ST. I really don't like this set up and have avoided them.
When I get stuck is with the apparently "non-working girl" who I meet. She is in her last 20's early 30's, dressed normally and there with friends. After I meet, we talk for awhile, hang out and just have fun. She make hold my hand or such, but no real action. In the conversation, it comes up that I am leaving in a week, but I do travel back to Shanghai and willl return in 3 months on business. At the end of the night, she asks what do we do now and conversation moves to her gift. In the several cases, she does not specify an amount, but asks for a monetary gift to be with me. WTF? These woman say there are not WG, but just like a gift so we "both get what we need."
Can someone explain if this a a "smooth WG" trying to hit me up, or is this a typical Chinese woman who is "just looking out for herself and her financial needs?"
Thanks for your help.
I met a banker in the big Guangzhou "Bank of China" , we made a date but she ask me why her when there are so many beautiful WG's in Guangzhou. I told her that I don't do WG's (my first lie). She also told me that she won't do that work also ( her fist lie).
When we met 3 days later we did have a great day together. I took a chance with my statement to her over lunch. I told her that she was a lady in public , but act like a WG in my bed later (my second lie) . She said OMG , I want you to treat me like a WG when we get to your hotel (Her second lie).
She was only a 5 but we did have a great time in bed. I gave ger DATY and I think she came 3 times , I fucked her right after DATY and I think she came 2 or 3 more times. Women do fake orgams only whe men fake foreplay , but we men are still never sure if they are faking.
After 2 hours of play and all kinds of sex (no anal) , she ask me ....... If I was a WG , how much money would you give me. I told her again , I don't do WG' , so I don't want to talk money.
She jumped off the bed and said... FUCK YOU.
I jumped off the bed and said...... I JUST DID.
She left my hotel room 2 minutes later. PISSED.
IMHO , most Chinese women (WG or Non WG) want something. "All of them"
My idea of free sex in China is......... to walk into a woman's WC by mistake , find a lone woman in there , bend her over the sink vanity, fuck her , don't ask her name and leave. That's free sex. They are all oppotunitist in China and will always look for a way to make an extra buck.
As a business owner , I know that NOTHING in this life is free.
You all take care and be safe and lets here some stories about some real free sex from some of you other guys. I also did not consider that Banker "free sex" I spent some money on her.
take care
tile man
I met a banker in the big Guangzhou "Bank of China" , we made a date but she ask me why her when there are so many beautiful WG's in Guangzhou. I told her that I don't do WG's (my first lie). She also told me that she won't do that work also ( her fist lie).
When we met 3 days later we did have a great day together. I took a chance with my statement to her over lunch. I told her that she was a lady in public , but act like a WG in my bed later (my second lie) . She said OMG , I want you to treat me like a WG when we get to your hotel (Her second lie).
She was only a 5 but we did have a great time in bed. I gave ger DATY and I think she came 3 times , I fucked her right after DATY and I think she came 2 or 3 more times. Women do fake orgams only whe men fake foreplay , but we men are still never sure if they are faking.
After 2 hours of play and all kinds of sex (no anal) , she ask me ....... If I was a WG , how much money would you give me. I told her again , I don't do WG' , so I don't want to talk money.
She jumped off the bed and said... FUCK YOU.
I jumped off the bed and said...... I JUST DID.
She left my hotel room 2 minutes later. PISSED.
IMHO , most Chinese women (WG or Non WG) want something. "All of them"
My idea of free sex in China is......... to walk into a woman's WC by mistake , find a lone woman in there , bend her over the sink vanity, fuck her , don't ask her name and leave. That's free sex. They are all oppotunitist in China and will always look for a way to make an extra buck.
As a business owner , I know that NOTHING in this life is free.
You all take care and be safe and lets here some stories about some real free sex from some of you other guys. I also did not consider that Banker "free sex" I spent some money on her.
take care
tile man
When she said she wanted you to treat her as a working women, she was obviously hinting that she wanted payment at the end of the game. Which working women dont want to be paid?
What kind of money did you spend on her?
Obviously both of you lie and you deserve what you got and she deserve what she got. Both of you were meant for each other (in a kind of literal way).
We all know that there is no free lunch. That is a proven economic theory.
Ace Gallant
10-22-07, 08:16
my idea of free sex in china is......... to walk into a woman's wc by mistake , find a lone woman in there, bend her over the sink vanity, fuck her, don't ask her name and leave. that's free sex. they are all oppotunitist in china and will always look for a way to make an extra buck.
take care
tile mantm,
what you describe is not free sex, it is called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)! hahahaha....
anyways, just to let you know, i had always said this; freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rid. you get in fast and get out fast before freebies turn into a paybie!
enjoy!
ag
You all take care and be safe and lets here some stories about some real free sex from some of you other guys. I also did not consider that Banker "free sex" I spent some money on her.
take care
tile man
Probably the best way to get free sex is to get the woman seriously drunk.
tm,
what you describe is not free sex, it is called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)! hahahaha....
anyways, just to let you know, i had always said this; freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rid. you get in fast and get out fast before freebies turn into a paybie!
enjoy!
ag
i forgot to say....... after the over the sink fuck , we both smiled at each other and said xie xie for fulfilling both of our fantasy. so now its not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) ha ha. that one has always been my fantasy and the one 40,000 feet up in an airplane wc too.
take care ace and be safe.
tile man
It's interesting to see all the discussion on freebies. I didn't believe that it's possible to get freebies. But I did get a few of them in the last couple of years. I think it's just a mix of luck and how tactful a man could be...
I met my first freebie on AFF about 1.5 years ago, thanks for our friend Eaglestar's recommendation to the website. We chatted a few times on the internet. I live in Beijing and she lives in Shanghai. We kept talking about getting together for dinner when I'm in Shanghai for business. So finally we did. We had a very good chat over dinner. After dinner, I asked her whether she would like to go back to the hotel with me for more chat, as I would be leaving Shanghai the next day. She said OK.
While in the hotel room, we had a beer, chatted more, started to sit closer and closer together. Then I started rubbed her back. It was getting late so I asked her to stay for the night. She hesitated a little bit but then said OK. Then she went for a shower and came out with just the bathrobe on. We got into bed, started kssing and the rest... is history.
This lady is was 34 yrs old when we first met. A divorcee. Runs a small fashion shop. She was very bored and frustrated with the relationship with her ex. So I guess we had hit the right chord. She's not a world class beauty, but has a good looking face and very tall and slim. Otherwise, even her body does not have a lot to write home about. Yet she was very passionate in bed and enjoyed the sex very much. And I think that all it's counted.
Since our first encounter, I tried to set up more meetings with her when I went to Shanghai, but she was either busy or having her period. We met one more time about a month ago and had another great session. Yet soon after that, when I was back in Beijing, she told me that she would like to end our "relationship" one day when we were chatting on SMS.
It's kind of a pity, but I guess that's how freebies are like, or supposed to be!
Lately I have got 2 freebies within a month or so, and they came actually as totoal surprise.
In September, when I was having a business trip in the very boring city of Taiyuan, I was on 163's chatroom, just trying my luck to see who's on there. I was more leaning towards looking for a working girl or part-timer. This girl came on and we had a chat. We then moved the chat to QQ. She told me she's a medical student who was doing her intern, and was having a very bad mood that night, kind of stressed out but her school works and pressure from family. I saw her on the webcam. She was again not a beauty but looks OK. I invited her to come over to the hotel for a drink. She hesitated a little bit, and but told me that if she came over now, she won't be able to get back to the dorm before the curfew. I took that as a hint and told her "It's OK. My room is big enough for two people..."
She did come over and we first had a drink in the lobby bar. She told me a lot about her works, and how her family really wanted her to become a doctor (because both of her parents are doctors). And how her mom didn't want her to get married too early because they wanted her to study to become a specialist, despite she was already 25. She was obviously under a lot of pressure. So I told her something about my life, and how things are like in North America, bla bla bla...
We then went up to my room and talked a little bit more. She said she's tired and wanted to take a shower. She did, again, came out with just a bathrobe with nothing inside. I took my shower and we went to bed...
We woke up the next morning and just went straight back to her hospital. No discussion of money what so ever.
Then a couple of weeks later I was in Shanghai for another business trip. I was again in a chat room, trying my luck. A girl came on in almost the same way. We chatted and chatted more on QQ, saw each other over the webcam. I asked her to come over and she asked whether I drink beer. Told her that I had beer in my room and she can just come over.
This girl was originally from Anhui and had dated a Hong Kong guy before. (I was also from Hong Kong originally, despite having lived in Canada for many years.) We chatted a lot and had some beer. Started cuddling each other. She ended up staying for the night. We did it once before sleeping and once early in the morning. Her look was about a 6-7 only but she got almost a perfect body, and was very passionate in bed. I did give her some cab fares for her to go home in the morning.
Since that trip we had kept in touch and I had another session with her when I was in Shanghai again about two weeks ago.
These 3 are success stories. I had a couple more success but they were quite similar so I won't bore you with them. Of course I had a many more unsuccessful attempts too.
As said, I think freebies are hits and misses, and oftem more misses than hits. I started to find that girls that are a little bit more mature, i.e. in their mid to late 20's, or even those in their early 30's are easier hits. In my cases, almost all of the freebies I got were kind of bored out, stressed out and a bit depressed, either by work or their families. I guess those are their weak moments during which they would need someone to comfort and cheer them up.
So good luck, my friends!
Mock A Bee
10-23-07, 04:47
It is pretty hard to generalize about how you get freebies. They come from all walks of life in China, wealthy or poor.
Some freebies are just letting you sample the goods in hopes of finding a sugar daddy. Some freebies actually like you and actually want to have sex with you, what a concept. Some hope you will marry them and help them have a better life than she would otherwise. Some are just bored housewives. There are many reasons why a girl will have sex with you without asking for money.
You can find them everywhere but it is pretty hard to generalize about this.
IMHO, you just have to keep looking until you find one. In a way, it is a numbers game and you have to look for girls in a variety of places. Night clubs, airports, restaurants, on the street, in saunas, BBS, universities, at your gym, in the office, wherever.
The real definition of a freebie, is a girl who will let you have sex with her without asking you to pay for it, either with money, gifts or whatever. There really are Chinese girls who do that, you just have to look. There are not many, but they are out there. It is a numbers game.
MAB
I think AG is correct when he says you must quickly drop them if you want it to be free. Initially she may give it up for free, but she is usually looking for something in return; sugar daddy, longterm relationship, gifts, wedding cake, etc.
Sometimes you might get some free pussy because she just wants to have fun, or she is just a little lonely, bored or curious, but I think she will be looking for more.
Everybody is looking for something!
Blacklisted
10-23-07, 09:42
I think AG is correct when he says you must quickly drop them if you want it to be free. Initially she may give it up for free, but she is usually looking for something in return; sugar daddy, longterm relationship, gifts, wedding cake, etc.
Sometimes you might get some free pussy because she just wants to have fun, or she is just a little lonely, bored or curious, but I think she will be looking for more.
Everybody is looking for something!I think MAB is bang on the money. Everyone is different. There are for sure girls out there in China who just want a fuck buddy and if you are their type, that will happen - again, numbers game.
If we are talking purely cash as the definition of paybee, then there are thousands of 'freebies' out there.
I think the cost is paid in other means with freebies, such as emotional, as with the recent story, a bruised ego (is that a cost), or getting busted by your S.O., which is another emotional (and perhaps financial) cost.
I cannot sit idly by and let this freebie conversation go on without butting in a little bit. I have been out of circulation for a while because of work and general laziness on my part but got back on AFF/CFF recently.
As most senior mongers know I am almost exclusively a freebie guy. Not that I am cheap and don’t want to P4P, it is just that I like the experience, the “chase” and a better chance at a GFE.
I tend to concentrate on married women but for the sake of this conversation will refer only to the single variety. Also, please understand that I make it crystal clear that I am separated, still married, but that my wife lives in USA. Also, I am kind of an old toad so for the most part the only ones who I get involved with are at least 33-34 and most are 35 to 42.
My experience is that freebies stay freebies for the most part. So far I have had only one that turned out to be a gold digger. My relationships normally last several weeks or even several months. At some point it finally dawns on them that there is not a long term future with me and it just kind of fades away or I get tired of them and bail out (as gently or quickly as necessary).
Sniffer and MAB are right, freebies are hit or miss and it is a numbers game. I miss a lot but I also get laid a lot. Once you can get a ‘stable’ of 3 or 4 ladies it is pretty easy to get laid 2, 3 or 4 nights a week if you are so inclined. The nice part is that most are good sex partners and I get a GFE 99% of the time (they also get a BFE). Just like us, some are more adventuresome than others in the sack but what the hey, I know what to expect after the first encounter or two.
An example of that is the one I just posted this week in the photo section, post # 655. She would not do anything the first night but second night was unbelievable. I had done her doggy and cowgirl then had her in mish pounding away. When I was ready to cum I asked her, “Where do you want it?” She pointed to her mouth so I gave her the full load; she swallowed then gave me a big smile. The bench mark is now set for this coming Thursday night.
They seem to do it because they want to and want to make you feel good & at the same time make them feel good. And “feel good” is not just having the ‘BIG O’. It might be the BFE as much as the ‘O’. Be nice to them, not lavish but not cheap. Buy flowers for them, a nice dinner now and again. Some times I even cook and as bad as I am they love it.
Enough,,,, off the soap box. We all have our own experiences, good and bad and do our own thing. This just happens to be my thing.
ES
Loveasiangirls
10-23-07, 10:10
I am sure someone has said it on this Board already but "free sex is more expensive than sex that you pay for".
I am sure someone has said it on this Board already but "free sex is more expensive than sex that you pay for".
WOW, there is a Sage among us.
Transporter
10-23-07, 21:08
Feebees....
I understand about the "hunt"
I know that everyone is different, so different circumstances arise.
It's not always "free"
Just like anywhere else in the world, it comes and goes.
Actually its way easy if you think about it (depending upon your standards)
If you want to share your freebees, then this would be the place for discussion.
BUT, unless you live there, who wants to waste that precious time.
Its like 1K for a ticket now, plus hotel and daily expenses, it just sounds easier to pay them their 20 bucks and tell them to leave.
Of course its just my opinion, I only have the opportunity to go to china 3 times a year, for only a couple of weeks each stay, so I want to get the most (quantity and quality) out of my 6 weeks
Bull Dozer
10-24-07, 02:09
On my last trip to China in September, I was walking back after dinner, Sorry I was in Houjie, Dongguan, It was near the Kandy Club, I saw this beautiful 25 yr old girl walking towards me, I said Hi to her she said hi back, we crossed each other but then I decided I had to talk to her.I ran back, with a little conversation in decent English we exchanged phone numbers. Next morning I got a Good Morning message, so we exchanged several messages throughout the day & finally decided to meet for dinner near my apartment.
After dinner we went to my apartment,I was having a real GFE time, sucking her titties & fingering her. By mistake, as I am too used to P4P so I asked her what will she charge. What a mistake that was, she burst out what do you think I am a *****, started putting her clothes back on, shouting I don't like you, you are a no good person, slammed the door & left. I was having such a great time with this girl, & I blew it, I had no inclination that she just liked me & was a freeby. She worked at some shoe company as a secretary to the President.
I called her several times the next day, she finally answered, I apologised like hell, but she would not listen & said I don't like you anymore & not to call her again. So there goes my freeby with someone else. What a fucking idiot I was.
Go Joe
Old Mean Dog
10-24-07, 02:24
On my last trip to China in September, I was walking back after dinner, Sorry I was in Houjie, Dongguan, It was near the Kandy Club, I saw this beautiful 25 yr old girl walking towards me, I said Hi to her she said hi back, we crossed each other but then I decided I had to talk to her.I ran back, with a little conversation in decent English we exchanged phone numbers. Next morning I got a Good Morning message, so we exchanged several messages throughout the day & finally decided to meet for dinner near my apartment.
After dinner we went to my apartment,I was having a real GFE time, sucking her titties & fingering her. By mistake, as I am too used to P4P so I asked her what will she charge. What a mistake that was, she burst out what do you think I am a *****, started putting her clothes back on, shouting I don't like you, you are a no good person, slammed the door & left. I was having such a great time with this girl, & I blew it, I had no inclination that she just liked me & was a freeby. She worked at some shoe company as a secretary to the President.
I called her several times the next day, she finally answered, I apologised like hell, but she would not listen & said I don't like you anymore & not to call her again. So there goes my freeby with someone else. What a fucking idiot I was.
Go Joe
LOL, I would have done the same thing as you. If I am getting to 3rd base with a girl I just met off the street that morning, I would have probably assumed the same damn thing and asked her how much.
I don't know about Houjie, but in CP, how the feck are we supposed to tell the good girls from the bad girls here?
-CPE
Bull Dozer
10-24-07, 02:36
Because once before I met nother girl walking down the main street, we hit it off, we fucked like hell I did not ask her how much, she never mentioned anything either, so I had assumed it was a freeby, was I wrong, after the deed as she was leaving she said give me a 1000RMB, I said for what, she was so angry when I told her I can pay her 200RMB she was ready to destro my apartment. She said i work at Jia Hua KTV, Houjie Big 5 star hotel, & charge 1000-1500RMB. & I will call my BF he will beat you up, finally I ended up paying her 600RMB, or else she would not leave. Due to that experience I opted to ask a genuine girl & screwed it up.
GJ
LOL, I would have done the same thing as you. If I am getting to 3rd base with a girl I just met off the street that morning, I would have probably assumed the same damn thing and asked her how much.
I don't know about Houjie, but in CP, how the feck are we supposed to tell the good girls from the bad girls here?
-CPE
I asked her what will she charge. What a mistake that was, she burst out what do you think I am a *****, started putting her clothes back on, shouting I don't like you, you are a no good
Go Joe
Well, you already knew she was a *****, you were just trying to establish the price. :D
I think in this case she didn't want quick cash, she was hoping for something more substantial in the future; maybe a ring, visa and wedding cake. Every lady has a price. No free lunch!
Eaglestar gets freebies, but he goes for the older girls who are probably more resigned to the idea that she is lucky to get anything. Sometimes just another person to cuddle with, to be with, to feel some affection with, is payment enough. The chance to love and be loved, even if it is only for a short-time and make-believe, is also reinforcing. She has to get "something"; some kind of physical, pschological, or material reward.
Benjamin Franklin, who was famous for his success with the ladies, said that it was better to go with an older lady, because she would be "more appreciative".
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Benjamin Franklin, who was famous for his success with the ladies, said that it was better to go with an older lady, because she would be "more appreciative".
Maybe the chinese hookers say the same about us, "it's better to go with the older and uglier guys, they are more appreciative" :D
Did you read that Bill, maybe that's why they like you! You ugly old mudderfudder!
In fact, I've met a lot of guys from this forum and every one of them was an ugly bastard! :D
Old Mean Dog
10-24-07, 18:58
Maybe the chinese hookers say the same about us, "it's better to go with the older and uglier guys, they are more appreciative" :D
Did you read that Bill, maybe that's why they like you! You ugly old mudderfudder!
In fact, I've met a lot of guys from this forum and everyone them was an ugly bastard! :D
Geez, maybe you should start looking in the mirror more often, cuz you ain't no beauty queen yourself!!
When Santa takes a girl from a BBS, he has to drag her out of the shop kicking and screaming!
Now, can someone tell me who the feck Bill Lee is?
-CPE
Mock A Bee
10-25-07, 06:18
Geez, maybe you should start looking in the mirror more often, cuz you ain't no beauty queen yourself!!
When Santa takes a girl from a BBS, he has to drag her out of the shop kicking and screaming!
Now, can someone tell me who the feck Bill Lee is?
-CPE
You mean you don't know THE famous Bill Lee?
Five Flower
10-25-07, 10:15
I don't know too, so who can tell us.
Old Mean Dog
10-25-07, 11:13
You mean you don't know THE famous Bill Lee?
Never heard of the douche bag and why the hell doesn't he have a cool ass handle like Mock A Bee, CPExpat, OAH, Santa, etc.?
-CPE
Never heard of the douche bag and why the hell doesn't he have a cool ass handle like Mock A Bee, CPExpat, OAH, Santa, etc.?
-CPE
Douche bag? :confused:
That reminds me, I think I may have met him.
If it looks like a douche bag, and smells like a douch bag, then it must be a douch bag! :D
The truly free ones are the ones we chat with online or by sms a few times, then they come over for visit to put our notch on her belt, these often don’t require buying anything extra.
Careful with these as it’s not uncommon for her to end the session after reaching her O. If you enjoy daty, don’t finish er till you’ve had yours or at least had a bit of in & out, frustrating to have her get up & dress before letting you in.
I Always assume that one that goes to my room the first time I meet will want payment, ones I meet in public, not the ones I meet online.
I need to eat dinner anyway so I consider taking a fem out to eat a reason to treat myself to a better meal than I’d eat alone, not as payment for what may come later.
I’m often happy when a sweet freebie starts asking for cash, up front or after, then I can change our relationship into a business one & later, I can use it as reason for not seeing her, turn it around saying I wanted a gf, not another person on my payroll.
I explain to girls that say men are supposed to “take care of his girl” that in my western culture, if a man has to buy a girl something for her to be his friend, then she is a prostitute or employ, not a friend. This can lead to discussion of `how much for her to…
Nearly all the free kine require time, specially if they want to believe themselves, or want us to believe they are a “nice, traditional girl”. I enjoy the game so I don’t think of this time spent as payment, whether it be the standard 3 dates or two years being a gentleman & friend waiting.
Almost All free kine Will give headaches! Even the married women will try control you & get jealous of your other “friends”. Most will not listen when you tell them you’re not looking for a wife, they think they will be the one to change you. In time, most will ask for money for one reason or other. As someone wrote elsewhere, “Get in Then get out quickly”, if you play their game of time too long, she Will think she “caught” you!
Being honest from the start will, if not give you your out later, help to sort out the crazy ones. Often they’ll act angry & call you all sorts of bad guy names, patience & consistency will usually pay off if you want it to with these.
If she is talking to you, she Is interested.
After my first year or so & Many different headaches or disappointments, I now only date girls under 24 years old. Same headache as older women in the end, often more time needed to bed but if I gotta go though their games, it may as well be with a young body.
But at times I’ll go out with a lady, usually after, I’ll remember why I target college girls.
My preference is girls that aren’t the classic Chinese beauty or are rich. I love treating a poor girl to a taste of life she has only seen on tv or heard about. The tall, beautiful, well dressed ones Do have rich Chinese men “taking Care of” her, IMO, these will require payment, unless you’re a lucky guy born white & handsome.
Most girls know their value is short lived, there are too many younger up & comers. Chinese have a mind for money, even the nice girls think they should get something well they can.
That said, it’s a wonderful thing, learning & then trying to beat them at their games.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Old Mean Dog
10-27-07, 11:34
I now only date girls under 24 years old.
LOL....I am sure that must have been a difficult decision to make. Ever wonder why other bro's outside of China are so envious of us?
Good post, spot on.
-CPE
Great post!
The tall, beautiful, well dressed ones Do have rich Chinese men “taking Care of” her, IMO, these will require payment, unless you’re a lucky guy born white & handsome.Payment of some form will be required with these highly desirable women since they realize that they are highly desirable. Clothes, accesseries, jewels, etc. Something expensive will be required.
Had I chosen to follow up with the tall and gorgeous young woman from Hebei who sat next to me at M2 several months ago, I am certain that I would have found her like goods in the shops lining Rodeo Drive.
(If I have to ask the price, then I can't afford her.)
OldAsiaHand
10-28-07, 16:13
I've been pretty lucky ending relationships with the last 2 semi-permanent freebies (6-8 months) I've had this year. When I wanted out, I just stopped calling and SMS so often, gradually decreasing contact over time. It worked.
Of course, they were not totally free. I never gave them cash, but paid for dinners, hotel rooms, and brought small gifts (perfume and other cosmetics) for them when I travelled.
Do these qualify as a freebie?
OAH
Albert Punter
10-28-07, 22:00
IMHO we can qualify as freebies all those girls who are available to have sex with us, without implying we pay cash to them or we reward them in some way.
Then we may pay for food or for some gifts, but this is only up to us to do that.
Whenever money or gifts are explicitly requested by girls to have sex with us, we are no longer in the freebies situation.
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Of course, they were not totally free. I never gave them cash, but paid for dinners, hotel rooms, and brought small gifts (perfume and other cosmetics) for them when I travelled.
Do these qualify as a freebie?
OAH
I've been pretty lucky ending relationships with the last 2 semi-permanent freebies (6-8 months) I've had this year. When I wanted out, I just stopped calling and SMS so often, gradually decreasing contact over time. It worked.
Of course, they were not totally free. I never gave them cash, but paid for dinners, hotel rooms, and brought small gifts (perfume and other cosmetics) for them when I travelled.
Do these qualify as a freebie?
OAH
Its free if your / we are not........... forced , asked or expected to pay , no matter how much we spend on our freebie.
Take care and be safe.
tile man
My two current freebies are married. I like it that way. Since i am not a quick cumer...they prefer me over their current signif. other. I leave the wining the dining to their husband /boyfriend. Due to my travels i usually buys them stuffs for them and they are happy with that. Them being already married, they are less clingy and wanting a permanent situation. Both of them do not want to divorce but just wants some variety in life. A bonus is that they both have clean shaven pussy...
I had to let the third freebie go because she told me that she just broke up with her bf and wanted to shack up with me. Hell No.. I dump her a month later.. what am i crazy to be supporting a mistress when i could get the stuff free or rather low cost pussy.
One of my freebies two weeks ago told me to knock her up, she wanted a baby and let her husband think it is his. She told me that she thinks i am better looking and more intelligent than her husband. That was a kick in the ass. I told her that i gotta think about it. I hope that her husband do not run a dna test.
I also have pics of my freebies bf/husband. I just need to know what they look like so that if i see one of them getting wise and stalking me I know when to cut loose and run for my life. Nothing worse than having one of their significant other realizing that they are getting "very sloppy seconds"
just another ABC mixing a lot of pleasure with business in China
For me, an important factor is how much money ends up in their pocket. Dinners, hotel rooms, tickets to shows, etc. cost you money but the girl does not end up with it. So her motivation is not financial (not short term financial anyway).
In China, when you go out with a girl you pick up the tab. You got to be major-league cheap to have to girl pay half (or she's got to be major-league ugly).
Small gifts still lets her keep her "freebie" status, unless the "small gifts" turn into cell phones of course.
Personally, I like to cut them loose instantly. It may be easier on the girl if you give her hints with calling less and telling her you are "busy". But that's exactly the problem for me; that way they can see it coming. No telling what crazy stunts they may pull once they realize what's coming. The trust just isn't there anymore. So for my peace of mind, I like to do it quickly.
I've been pretty lucky ending relationships with the last 2 semi-permanent freebies (6-8 months) I've had this year. When I wanted out, I just stopped calling and SMS so often, gradually decreasing contact over time. It worked.
Of course, they were not totally free. I never gave them cash, but paid for dinners, hotel rooms, and brought small gifts (perfume and other cosmetics) for them when I travelled.
Do these qualify as a freebie?
OAH
Nobody Doe
10-31-07, 04:24
Dear All Bros,
Thank you very much for all your great advise to my previous post re: how to keep my wife in Taiwan. I am now following Csun213's advise to take my wife back to Beijing, wait patiently when my wife will feel BJ is still a very boring place and she will go back to Taiwan on her own.
So I am thinking some effective ways to do mongering w/o getting caught when my wife is in town. I posted this in the North China - Beijing thread as well, but I would like to invite more ideas and advise from a broader group than just BJ.
My wife loves BJ for me, which is good, but the bad is she also likes to smell my dick once for a while when I got back home, especially if I told her I had a dinner with customers, etc. I prepared a small bottle with the same shower gels of my home and locked the bottle in my office drawer, so I could use that gels to wash out the smell and hope my wife will not find out (as the shower gel is the same one as the home), but I am also afraid my wife would find the shower gel smell was too fresh (as I always shower in the morning before I go to work.) So I have never tried that out.
As I am not a smoker, one bro advised me to go to the bars to make myself smell like cigarette smoke than anything else, and tell my wife that the guys I was with were smoking all night long, and I hate the smell so I want to take a shower before going to bed. However I am not sure if going to the bars can also cover up my dick smell inside the pants, and what if my wife was still asking to smell my dick before I take shower (just planning for the worst case scenario)?
One bro from the Beijing thread posted to spill a whiskey at my pants, blaming to my friends at bar. This is a good idea, but only good for one-shot, as my wife will suspect why there is whiskey spilled at my pants every time I go to a bar.
Another bro told me to do mongering as soon as I get off work, then go to a bar, spend 3-4 hours, so my body natural smell will come out to fade off the home shower gel smell, plus the cigarette smoke (but cigarette smoke will not penetrate inside the pants.)
I would like to invite more advise, ideas, and brainstorming. Much appreciated.
Thanks,
Taiwan Guy
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I prepared a small bottle with the same shower gels of my home and locked the bottle in my office drawer, so I could use that gels to wash out the smell and hope my wife will not find out (as the shower gel is the same one as the home), but I am also afraid my wife would find the shower gel smell was too fresh (as I always shower in the morning before I go to work.) So I have never tried that out.
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I think the sexual smells are caused primarily by bacteria. Use a small spray bottle with Isopropyl Alcohol, first aid antiseptic. That's what the doctor wipes on your arm when you get an injection. The smell will quickly go away.
If you are asked why you have the spray, say you use it as a deodorant, it works for that too.
However, continuous longterm use could cause your bacteria to become resistant to the alcohol.
My wife loves BJ for me, which is good, but the bad is she also likes to smell my dick once for a while when I got back home, especially if I told her I had a dinner with customers, etc.
and what if my wife was still asking to smell my dick before I take shower (just planning for the worst case scenario)?
Haha, that is hilarious! I know you asked a serious question, but you have to admit that is a pretty funny situation.
Without any pop psychology, the problem seems to run much deeper if she is checking you out everytime you stay out late. In a half-serious manner, I will try to suggest that you bang your wife so often that she: (a) doesn't want anymore sex, which is quite common for wives anyway, and (b) believes that you aren't getting any 'tang outside the home. And besides, being nice and loving and all the other BS they like. That should probably get you enough points to stop this nonsense. Another tactic might be to just TELL her to STOP smelling your tool. Period. That may not work with married couples but I usually just tell my girlfriends to stop or start doing something.
Just some clever thoughts :)
-M
Neuromancer
10-31-07, 18:13
Taiwan Guy,
LOL, I've tried going for a short jog afterwards. Just enough to build a little sweat but not enough to be dripping wet, but also leave enough time to cool down to normal levels by the time you get home. Would sort of depend on the season I suppose, though summer in BJ shouldn't be a problem.
Have also tried smearing pizza (not the whole slice, but that piece of paper they serve it to you on). Of course, if you're not a pizza fan, BJ duck might do the trick? I was amazed at how incredibly oily it is in BJ. Or maybe you can use the deep fried street vendor food. Don't suppose there's anyone who eats BJ duck on a regular basis.
Old Mean Dog
10-31-07, 19:02
Dear All Bros, I would like to invite more advise, ideas, and brainstorming. Much appreciated.
Thanks,
Taiwan Guy
Have you considered rubbing a hunk of cheese on your cock-n-balls? My gf tells me my dick smells like funky cheese when I'm wearing underwear all day long.
Just a thought
-CPE
Carl Martin
10-31-07, 20:22
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It's probably a good idea to to start small, taking their pics fully clothed first. View the pics, then gradually remove the clothes. Would have better chance of success. I don't speak Chinese, so have harder time convincing them of anything. The girls in SZ, DG and CP would eventually allow full-nude pics with a lot of gesturing on my part. Chinese-speaking bros should have easier time convincing the girls. Then we may dial the call [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] to make an arrangement. You can tell the receiver which girl you like and ask if she is available. Of course, confirm the price and service they can provide.
OK, in general, Full services massage in shanghai or shanghai massage is 800RMB. The last step is to tell the guy your room number and your last name.
Why to tell the last name? In China, especial in Shanghai hotels, they need cards or last name to go upstair in lobby after 22:30PM.
OK, you will wait for your angel coming to your room and enjoy one massage night.
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Chocha Monger
11-01-07, 02:14
Taiwan Guy,
If your wife grabs your cock and sniffs it everytime you have a business meeting or arrive at home a bit late then you have a lot more problems than the left over scent of smegma from your last hooker. Your wife obviously don't trust you which means she likely has a contingency plan for divorcing and taking you to the cleaners. Just ask yourself what she would do if she sniffed your crank one day and decided that it just didn't smell right?
This is what you should do. Play a little game with your wife by rubbing different scents on your crank each day. You can use commercially available scents like perfumes or you can use things like fruit, fish, raw meat, butter, or even salami. Eventually your wife will give up snorting your crank or you will develop a very interesting sex life with her.
Bob Builder
11-01-07, 03:35
tg,
what breed of dog are you married to? i used to own a dog that did the same thing when i got home but you can stop it doing that by hitting it on the nose with a newspaper. i hope you also keep her on a tight leash when you take her out on a walk to stop her sniffing all the other dogs' asses.
unless of course you are one of those poor taiwanese guys who married into a rich family where dad is the chairman of the board and you are on the mainland looking after the family's business, then let her sniff away. in that case eating asparagus (smelly [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)) every meal might help!
Trackster42
11-01-07, 08:57
Taiwan guy,
Your wife is looking for the smell of latex, which is much stronger than that of female cum juice.
I would not advise forgoing the condom. Just wash thoroughly afterwards with your shower gel. You will be fine.
T
I think the sexual smells are caused primarily by bacteria. Use a small spray bottle with Isopropyl Alcohol, first aid antiseptic. That's what the doctor wipes on your arm when you get an injection. The smell will quickly go away.
If you are asked why you have the spray, say you use it as a deodorant, it works for that too.
However, continuous longterm use could cause your bacteria to become resistant to the alcohol.
I have not heard of bacteria being resistant to alcohol but continued of alcohol wipes may make the bacteria resistant to antibiotics.
I would like to invite more advise, ideas, and brainstorming. Much appreciated.
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There was a women forensic scientist in the USA who examined her husband's underwear for other women's DNA in the USA. However she had access to such tests as she worked in a DNA crime lab.
So throw your underwear in the washing machine once you get home if your wife works in a DNA testing lab.
I will try to suggest that you bang your wife so often that she: (a) doesn't want anymore sex, which is quite common for wives anyway, and (b) believes that you aren't getting any 'tang outside the home.
Reminds me of an old joke about 2 buddies drinking at a bar. Guy 1 is complaining about no mater how quiet he is when he goes home, his wife always wakes up and gripes at him for staying out late drinking with his buddies.
Guy 2 replies that he makes as much noise as possible when he gets home, bursts into the bedroom, and shouts out "who wants to fcuk!" His wife always pretends to be fast asleep and leaves him alone.
:)
Chocha Monger
11-02-07, 05:47
Taiwan Guy,
Manifest has a great idea. Perhaps you should fuck the shit out of your wife everytime she sniffs your cock. Just act like it's a real turn-on every time she snorts your wank. Soon she will stop doing it because she thinks it gives you pleasure not to mention her desire to avoid the sordid fuck sessions that seem to result everytime she takes a wiff of old dirty Harry.
Bob Builder
11-02-07, 07:51
Women are fecking selfish. Wives may not want you to be getting any outside of home but it doesn't mean they ae going to make up the differece between how may times that you want it and they want it to stop you playing.
I just can't get over how some self respecting individual that does have a prick would put up with this BS. I really don't fecking care what she is sniffing for, its too retarded! Maybe the guy has a bad track record?
How about every time he goes home or after she goes out, that he makes her drop her panties and has a good sniff. Better yet do it when she has friends or family round. I could see it stopping pretty quick if you come home when she has friends round and you drop to your knees and start sniffing at her crotch in front of them!
i have not heard of bacteria being resistant to alcohol but continued of alcohol wipes may make the bacteria resistant to antibiotics.
i can just hear the bugs singing: "whoppee! friday! partytime! free booze!"
Nobody Doe
11-05-07, 01:06
Taiwan Guy,
LOL, I've tried going for a short jog afterwards. Just enough to build a little sweat but not enough to be dripping wet, but also leave enough time to cool down to normal levels by the time you get home. Would sort of depend on the season I suppose, though summer in BJ shouldn't be a problem.
Have also tried smearing pizza (not the whole slice, but that piece of paper they serve it to you on). Of course, if you're not a pizza fan, BJ duck might do the trick? I was amazed at how incredibly oily it is in BJ. Or maybe you can use the deep fried street vendor food. Don't suppose there's anyone who eats BJ duck on a regular basis.Jogging to build a little sweat sounds like a good idea, but now it's winter in Beijing. Or do you have some ideas to get sweat in BJ winter?
Smearing the piece of pizza paper, may I ask how I shall tell my wife why my dick smells pizza? I am a pizza fan, but I could not figure out how to build the story.
SE Asia Joe
11-05-07, 09:25
Just a bit of advise for all you guys who - like I - think that we've got enough experience to avoid ALL the traps! And also for me to let it all out I guess!
Been keeping this girl for the past 4 years and I thought, I really thought, that there is at least a bit of emotion in our relationship. I mean, she was barely 18 when we started and I've kept her in a very nice apartment, sent her to all sorts of schools, bought all sorts of things - trinkets, clothing, computer, telephones etc, taught her a lot of things, treated her well - and she in turn treated me extremely well, satisfying ALL my desires - sexual and otherwise, whilst I thought truly enjoying it all also i.e. she never had an orgasm before I and she's always saying = I am so scared when we are through and I need to get married, these Local chinese guys will not know how or want to satisfy me the way you do. or I'll always love you no matter what - please always remember me etc etc.
I've been periodically helping her with building her house in her home town - first buying a small plot of land, then slowly, ever so slowly starting to build it up floor by floor - as she says that when she goes back, that she will rent out the 1st floor as shop space, live on the 2nd and rent out the 3rd and 4th. Then I sent her to learn to drive and there she learned that the owner was going to emigrate and wanted to sell the business and asked me to please, pelase let her take over just for RMB60,000 - 40K from me and 20K from her savings.
I decided that it probably would be a good idea for her to learn how to earn money herself PLUS that I could sort of test her sincerity to me (Idiot - why did I do that??!!). Well I handed over the money and a few days later on the bus over to our apartment, I told her that I would be coming over in a half hour or so but she replied - I'm on my way back home, your stuff is in the management office downstairs and You will understand... and hung up!
Sure enough, when I got to the partment it was all cleared out and my stuff was indeed downstairs! And her phone is now disconnected.
The thing that I cannot get over is the heartless way she did this. I mean the money is really a pittance copmpared to what I spent on her in the past which averages over RMB10k per month - and after 4 full years of what I though a meaningful relationship - she would just walk away. Is life/love/relationship really all that cheap in China? I don't understand and probably will never understand - and am not sure if I want to either as I just do not think its another guy or anything like that
SE Asia Joe
se asia joe,
sorry to read a story like yours. there are no words to descibe how shitty/unfair an event like yours, is. at least, from your way of telling anyway, you seem to accept it in a relativally good (clear) perspective and i hope this crap experience leaves no lasting marks except a bit of wisdom.
speer
Is life/love/relationship really all that cheap in China? I don't understand and probably will never understand - and am not sure if I want to either as I just do not think its another guy or anything like that
SE Asia Joe
What a sad story. If it's a consolation to you: Back home, you'd be married, and you'd be served papers by her lawyer, and you'd lose half of your assets, and you'd have to pay her lawyer for making your life miserable. Compared to that, you got away easy. Forget her and get a new model. Happyness is the best revenge.
SE Asia Joe
11-05-07, 11:22
What a sad story. If it's a consolation to you: Back home, you'd be married, and you'd be served papers by her lawyer, and you'd lose half of your assets, and you'd have to pay her lawyer for making your life miserable. Compared to that, you got away easy. Forget her and get a new model. Happyness is the best revenge.
Thanks - you're right - and when I think of it, it probably is the best ending solution to our "long term romance" for indeed, she does need to really get on with her own life - get married, have children etc -all the things I cannot do for her as of course I am already married and with a family. And a fast clean break - no matter how cruel it may seem now - is probably the best instead of a long drawn out affair or for us to have still continued the same way as in the past.... I guess!!
It's just that I'm quite sure I'm still 'genuinely' in love with her - I mean, after all, it has been four long happy years with her. Oh how life treats us - and how we ourselves screw it all up don't we?
Again thanks and my apologies to one and all if this all has nothing to do with mongering - not much I guess
SE Asia Joe
This is the "China Women - Opinions and Advice" section. So no worry about no mongering content .... In any case, it looked like a "long term lease" arrangement anyway :)
Having a family back home complicates the matter a bit. Not only on your end. She knows you'll not going to diovorce, not going to ditch your kids. Her long term perspectives are bleak. So with the wedding bells option off the table, there is a lot of inducemet to cut & run when the opportunity presents itself. And it looks like the 40K were the signal to her: "It won't get better than that. Let's run while it's good." As I said, don't harp, it's not a lot in the grnd scheme of things. View it as your contribution to the Wayward Firls Fund. And get a new one.
Thanks - you're right - and when I think of it, it probably is the best ending solution to our "long term romance" for indeed, she does need to really get on with her own life - get married, have children etc -all the things I cannot do for her as of course I am already married and with a family. And a fast clean break - no matter how cruel it may seem now - is probably the best instead of a long drawn out affair or for us to have still continued the same way as in the past.... I guess!!
It's just that I'm quite sure I'm still 'genuinely' in love with her - I mean, after all, it has been four long happy years with her. Oh how life treats us - and how we ourselves screw it all up don't we?
Again thanks and my apologies to one and all if this all has nothing to do with mongering - not much I guess
SE Asia Joe
Old Mean Dog
11-05-07, 14:12
Thanks - you're right - and when I think of it, it probably is the best ending solution to our "long term romance" for indeed, she does need to really get on with her own life - get married, have children etc -all the things I cannot do for her as of course I am already married and with a family. And a fast clean break - no matter how cruel it may seem now - is probably the best instead of a long drawn out affair or for us to have still continued the same way as in the past.... I guess!!
It's just that I'm quite sure I'm still 'genuinely' in love with her - I mean, after all, it has been four long happy years with her. Oh how life treats us - and how we ourselves screw it all up don't we?
Again thanks and my apologies to one and all if this all has nothing to do with mongering - not much I guess
SE Asia Joe
Dude, sorry to hear this, wish you a good rebound. Now to be a tad bit brutual:
You were leasing her, plain and simple. This was not a lease to own option, she knew you would not commit to her and you knew in your heart you would never divorce your wife. So, she gave you a good ride and made you happy and when she got all that she felt you could give her without a larger commitment, she cut the cord.
I have seen many "second wifes" take their lover for money, property, etc. while seeking a LTR (with marriage) on the side. The average shelf life is about 30 years old, guess they feel they have gotten what they want by then and worried they are getting old and might be replaced soon.
She can't be a 2nd wife all her life and maybe was even getting some parental pressure to boot You have set her up for the start of a comfortable life now, rather than her having to work 60 hours a week for a few thousand rmb a month.
It has happened to many of us in some form or fashion.
Take care,
CPE
OldAsiaHand
11-05-07, 15:22
SE Asia Joe:
If it is any consolation, you are not the only guy I know that fell into this trap if you can really call it a trap. And, you got out pretty cheap compared to others I know. Yes, you took good care of her financially and materially. But, as you admit, you did not give her, cannot give her and may never give her the single most important thing she probably wants and needs which is permanent security.
When she was younger, she may not have been thinking about marriage, just living day by day and taking whatever she could get. She gave you 4 of the best years of her life. It may seem easier said than done at this point, but consider yourself lucky for what you had and move on.
Just my POV.
OAH
Tuscan Man
11-05-07, 17:08
It's just that I'm quite sure I'm still 'genuinely' in love with her - I mean, after all, it has been four long happy years with her.
SE Asia Joe
I know you are married but even if you where single and if your a laowei and you met the girl inside or outside the entertainment industry "if she is traditional from a tradional Chinese family". Your chances of marriage with her would be very slim. Even if she knew that you would be willing to marry her you have I guess a 20% chance of success. Everything is about face in China and a laowei would not be considered acceptable to most of these families (country village families) it may be considered a disgrace and loss of face to the family. Of course there are acceptions but not many. These kinds of girls know their place with you and their place with the their real life in China. You will always be temporary. Married with you or not. Get what they can from you, enjoy their time with you, they may feel something for you but the family pull and traditions is stronger. This is something most times foreigners don't see.
Northern Chinese maybe more accepting of foreigners. Fujian province is the most traditional and have strong control over their daughters. I don't know what others have experienced but I have been in China long enough and have many Chinese friends from the cities and countryside and seen it happen first hand with myself and other friends. I know you didn't and wouldn't have any plans to marry this girl but if you had been dreaming about it and thought it would have lasted if you could marry her the out come in the end might have been the same. In China with young girls relationships are fleeting, cheap and about money, falling for a girl in China can be tough. Enjoy them, know your place with them, and if it's getting serious exchange them for another girl.
Marrying a girl (in the official sense) if you are a foreigner does not mean all that much, she can still bolt whenever she wants. If she is living away from her family/relatives/village people while married to you, it means little. Nobody on her side really knows about it, and she can walk away from such a marriage and start over without a real stigma of being divorced. In the villages, getting the marriage papers is seen as a necessary nuisance. The real ceremony is when the couple has their reception and announces to the world (the village) that they are now officially a couple.
See, that's why you need the Chinese system for tying down a girl. You marry her, she moves into the husband's household. Depending on how rich the guy is, she gets a nice house, car, etc. But she doesn't officially own any of it, so can't run off with it. And to boot, the guy's family is watching her like hawks so she can't screw around (even when the guy is away). The guy, if he has money, will find ways to have all kinds of GFs and P4P.
PS: This is pretty much what a sauna girl told me when I asked her why she chose to work there. She said that married life is incredibly boring, just the 1 guy because his family would be watching her all the time. Husband is free to (discreetly) fool around. So she wants to fuck around first before getting married.
Just a bit of advise for all you guys who - like I - think that we've got enough experience to avoid ALL the traps! And also for me to let it all out I guess!
Been keeping this girl for the past 4 years and I thought, I really thought, that there is at least a bit of emotion in our relationship. I mean, she was barely 18 when we started and I've kept her in a very nice apartment, sent her to all sorts of schools, bought all sorts of things - trinkets, clothing, computer, telephones etc, taught her a lot of things, treated her well - and she in turn treated me extremely well, satisfying ALL my desires - sexual and otherwise, whilst I thought truly enjoying it all also i.e. she never had an orgasm before I and she's always saying = I am so scared when we are through and I need to get married, these Local chinese guys will not know how or want to satisfy me the way you do. or I'll always love you no matter what - please always remember me etc etc.
I've been periodically helping her with building her house in her home town - first buying a small plot of land, then slowly, ever so slowly starting to build it up floor by floor - as she says that when she goes back, that she will rent out the 1st floor as shop space, live on the 2nd and rent out the 3rd and 4th. Then I sent her to learn to drive and there she learned that the owner was going to emigrate and wanted to sell the business and asked me to please, pelase let her take over just for RMB60,000 - 40K from me and 20K from her savings.
I decided that it probably would be a good idea for her to learn how to earn money herself PLUS that I could sort of test her sincerity to me (Idiot - why did I do that??!!). Well I handed over the money and a few days later on the bus over to our apartment, I told her that I would be coming over in a half hour or so but she replied - I'm on my way back home, your stuff is in the management office downstairs and You will understand... and hung up!
Sure enough, when I got to the partment it was all cleared out and my stuff was indeed downstairs! And her phone is now disconnected.
The thing that I cannot get over is the heartless way she did this. I mean the money is really a pittance copmpared to what I spent on her in the past which averages over RMB10k per month - and after 4 full years of what I though a meaningful relationship - she would just walk away. Is life/love/relationship really all that cheap in China? I don't understand and probably will never understand - and am not sure if I want to either as I just do not think its another guy or anything like that
SE Asia Joe
Neuromancer
11-05-07, 23:23
jogging to build a little sweat sounds like a good idea, but now it's winter in beijing. or do you have some ideas to get sweat in bj winter?
smearing the piece of pizza paper, may i ask how i shall tell my wife why my dick smells pizza? i am a pizza fan, but i could not figure out how to build the story.well, to build up a sweat you could always find a nice warm room (crowded restaurant) and leave your jacket/scarf on, sit there for half an hour or so. may get some strange looks from the other occupants, but that doesn't really matter does it?
as for disguising the smell of your dick, i would guess that different brands of condoms have varying levels of "latex smell". why not try a little experiment, identify the one with the weakest latex smell and stick to that brand. would also try to use soaps that don't have a heavy fragrance.
if that's not enough, you could always make sure that you have a not so fresh smelling pair of underwear handy to help (maybe something that's a day old, dampen it with some water and leave it on top of the radiator all day). as a more drastic measure, maybe try leaking a little. wonder if the smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) is stronger than the smell of latex?
Clean Gene
11-06-07, 00:47
In fact not bad at all.
I've had a few such experiences which I remember fondly. They can be thought of in a bad light from a financial angle,for instance:
Girl 1. Student at Foreign Language Univ. in Shanghai. I paid her expenses at university in U. S. for a few years. Taught her how to drive. Bought her a couple of cars. Paid her father's expenses to come to the States (he had a connection who invited him as a visiting scholar), and I paid the rent for the both of them. He was a gentleman, and would make himself scarce when I came over to bang his daughter. She won a Shaw Fellowship for graduate school, and moved in with grad student boy friend from New Zealand. I was glad to see her go. It cleared some complicated feelings on my part. (She was, however, always straight with me.) I'm still a friend of her father's. I'm helping him off and on, writing his autobiography...starting from when he was an underground worker in WWII.
Girl 2, Girl 3. Too long and boring to recount. But in the words of an American General, "I was as happy to leave as they were sad to see me go."
CG
Even if she knew that you would be willing to marry her you have I guess a 20% chance of success. Everything is about face in China and a laowei would not be considered acceptable to most of these families (country village families) it may be considered a disgrace and loss of face to the family. Of course there are acceptions but not many.I guess my LT GF in Shenzhen is the exception. She is constantly asking me about marriage and babies and shit. And I have gone with her to visit her family (don't worry they live in Longgang) and now her mom is constantly asking her about me and when we are going to get married.
SE Asia Joe
11-06-07, 04:16
Thank you for letting me vent
And THANKS to all of you and your various words of encouragement and comfort - ain't the first time I've gone down in flames and probably won't be the last time either. Oh well, like they say, without the dark of the night one cannot truly appreciate the brilliance of the day.
And just to clarify, actually I am Overseas Chinese and actually she is pretty much a "traditional Chinese family Girl" and she had had stayed with her Mom at another apartment when I was not with her. She would tell her mom that she was at work when she was with me. Her mom, whether she actually knows the truth or just chose not to recognize such, never actually knew anything about me. Both of them have now gone back home
Anyway, lets see what other adventrues I'm going to get myself into now - off to Donguang later on today and see what I run across!!
SE Asia Joe
Thank you for letting me vent
And THANKS to all of you and your various words of encouragement and comfort - ain't the first time I've gone down in flames and probably won't be the last time either. Oh well, like they say, without the dark of the night one cannot truly appreciate the brilliance of the day.
And just to clarify, actually I am Overseas Chinese and actually she is pretty much a "traditional Chinese family Girl" and she had had stayed with her Mom at another apartment when I was not with her.
Joe
It is good and healthy to vent. Your experience brings back memories for myself. Im also an ABC and was involved with a taiwanese gal. She knew about my home situation. Her family situation was a bit different. you had real money in her family. I think she spent more money on me than i on her. after a long run with her, we both knew the time had come for us to part, it was painful but over time we became very good friends. The most interesting thing was that it was my wife's younger brother that introduce me to her.
take care and try not to have too much fun in dongguan. im sure that if you stop by at some of the big ktvs like jia yi, and spend some time there, i am sure that the girls there will help you eases the pain that you are going through.
do us all a big favor and bang one (or maybe several )for the team.
Loveasiangirls
11-06-07, 05:48
I sort of felt sorry for SE Asia Joe until I read he was married and was also playing a game. So he may be sad but cannot complain. If Chinese ladies were to write on this Board you would hear a ton of similar stories played from the other angle. Guys who come to China, hook up with a girl, promise her the moon then after some time leave without her to go back to his country.
I have a lady friend (one of my freebies) who MARRIED this guy from the UK. She was very helpful to him as he spoke no chinese at all. She was smart and had a great job. She quit her very good and secure job with the government to move with him to the UK for a while. They then returned to China for his work. Then one day he just disappeared. Left no message, no good-bye. Just did not return home. She was left alone with no money and no more job. She had to call some of his friends in the UK to find out if he was still alive. As they got married in China, he felt he could just abandon her. She is now rebuilding her life. I think this kind of story is more common here than that of SE Asia Joe.
When you fool with working girls it's fair game but in other cases we need to consider the impact on their life. SE Asia Joe's girl came out ahead but this is rare. No wonder these girls are getting smart about us laowais and play the game well too.
Harmsuploe
11-06-07, 07:56
SE Asia Joe:
If it is any consolation, you are not the only guy I know that fell into this trap if you can really call it a trap. And, you got out pretty cheap compared to others I know. Yes, you took good care of her financially and materially. But, as you admit, you did not give her, cannot give her and may never give her the single most important thing she probably wants and needs which is permanent security.
When she was younger, she may not have been thinking about marriage, just living day by day and taking whatever she could get. She gave you 4 of the best years of her life. It may seem easier said than done at this point, but consider yourself lucky for what you had and move on.
Just my POV.
OAH
Four Best Years of Her Life. Well said. There are no clean breakups. My sympathies to all.
I know you are married but even if you where single and if your a laowei and you met the girl inside or outside the entertainment industry "if she is traditional from a tradional Chinese family". Your chances of marriage with her would be very slim. Even if she knew that you would be willing to marry her you have I guess a 20% chance of success. Everything is about face in China and a laowei would not be considered acceptable to most of these families (country village families) it may be considered a disgrace and loss of face to the family.
I don't know where you have this absolute knowledge from. But it's just not true. I can't name statistics of how many Chinese women marry foreigners (if I could name them, they would probably wrong, like most Chinese statistics.)
But I can give you indicators:
- In the three years I'm here I had more offers of marriage than in my whole life before.
- I could name you about 20 of my own Laowei-friends who are married to a Chinese. The rest are married and their laowei wives are here.
- Hang around a European or US/Canadian embassy, and you will see scores of mixed couples with thick files
- The trend of Chinese women seeking marriage with foreign partners (combined with the fact that there are more males of marriageable age than females) has led to heated discussions, such as on http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=549806&extra=&page=1
From my admittedly limited vantage point, I'd say just the opposite of what you say is true. A foreigner (especially Caucasian) is a prized possession, the girl and the family raise in esteem. (And then the whole family dreams of emigrating to the country of the groom ... but that's a wholly different story.)
I don't know about villages. But I would advise against marrying a village girl from the deep provinces anyway. The cultural differences would just be too great. A marriage is about sharing at least some common values, interests, and intellectual challenges.
- In the three years I'm here I had more offers of marriage than in my whole life before.
I have only been to China for several weeks at a time, but have had several experiences where Chinese parents basically tried to hook me up with their daughters, inviting me out for family dinners and other rather embarassing experiences to the extent that it was difficult to shake these people off. Unfortunately none of the girls have quite been to my liking so far.
I hope to go to China for four months next summer, maybe I will find somebody then.
I'm only in my late 20s, maybe the lack of acceptance from the side of the families Tuscan Man is talking about is regarding very old laowais with young Chinese girls.
I don't know where you have this absolute knowledge from. But it's just not true. I can't name statistics of how many Chinese women marry foreigners (if I could name them, they would probably wrong, like most Chinese statistics.)
But I can give you indicators:
- In the three years I'm here I had more offers of marriage than in my whole life before.
- I could name you about 20 of my own Laowei-friends who are married to a Chinese. The rest are married and their laowei wives are here.
- Hang around a European or US/Canadian embassy, and you will see scores of mixed couples with thick files
- The trend of Chinese women seeking marriage with foreign partners (combined with the fact that there are more males of marriageable age than females) has led to heated discussions, such as on http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=549806&extra=&page=1
From my admittedly limited vantage point, I'd say just the opposite of what you say is true. A foreigner (especially Caucasian) is a prized possession, the girl and the family raise in esteem. (And then the whole family dreams of emigrating to the country of the groom ... but that's a wholly different story.)
I don't know about villages. But I would advise against marrying a village girl from the deep provinces anyway. The cultural differences would just be too great. A marriage is about sharing at least some common values, interests, and intellectual challenges.
Zhuren , tuscan man is right. Every thing in China is face , its more important than food. Chinese only get face from money, its sad but true. I also think you are right about your observations and people that you know. So IMHO they only want the face and money no matter what.
I know the opposite of you here in USA. About 10 Chinese women came here after only maybe 4 months of emails , a fast trip to China for these men , marriage , then the girls off to the USA. They are ALL unhappy. I blame these asshole men for this. Thy got what they wished for. Some of the Chinese women left their men and can only go to the 3 big China town's here in USA. So its back into prostitution again because they can't speak English. Most of these mail order brides are current or ex prostitures anyway.
Do a few make it ? Sure they do , like you said. But its all about the green card , money and face. In the long run , its the Chinese women who will lose.
Good subject from all of you. Stay safe and take care
tile man
I don't know where you have this absolute knowledge from. But it's just not true. I can't name statistics of how many Chinese women marry foreigners (if I could name them, they would probably wrong, like most Chinese statistics.)
But I can give you indicators:
- In the three years I'm here I had more offers of marriage than in my whole life before.
- I could name you about 20 of my own Laowei-friends who are married to a Chinese. The rest are married and their laowei wives are here.
- Hang around a European or US/Canadian embassy, and you will see scores of mixed couples with thick files
- The trend of Chinese women seeking marriage with foreign partners (combined with the fact that there are more males of marriageable age than females) has led to heated discussions, such as on http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=549806&extra=&page=1
From my admittedly limited vantage point, I'd say just the opposite of what you say is true. A foreigner (especially Caucasian) is a prized possession, the girl and the family raise in esteem. (And then the whole family dreams of emigrating to the country of the groom ... but that's a wholly different story.)
I don't know about villages. But I would advise against marrying a village girl from the deep provinces anyway. The cultural differences would just be too great. A marriage is about sharing at least some common values, interests, and intellectual challenges.
You will find that if the girl is from a wealthy family then she will probably not be able to marry a foreigner without having to fight with her family.
I have a friend who is ABC and lives in CA. He met his girlfriend in China and fell in love. His girlfriend loves him but did not want to come to the U.S. He finally got her to agree to marry him and go to the U.S. for 5 years then they will move to China for 5 years. Not sure what happens after 5 years in China.
If you have money, China is heaven. You can do just about everything and really live it up so not many rich Chinese guys or girls would wish to leave China and move to the U.S. On the other hand, the poor girls sees the U.S. as a land where dreams comes true and can send a lot of money back to their parents.
Without going into too much details, I see that there are a lot of ABCs on this forum myself included.
My question is, how did you guy manage to find work (seemingly lucrative based on your lifestyle and how much is spent on girls) in Mainland. Obviously I'm not asking for what careers you are in, as that is too much information for a forum of this type.
A little description of myself, I am an ABC recently graduated with a degree in International Marketing. I speak Mandarin fluently although writing and reading skills might be a little lacking. I've been dying to a career in multinational firms that would allow me to travel to Asia. Originally I chose my major because I enjoy international business and trade.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
You will find that if the girl is from a wealthy family then she will probably not be able to marry a foreigner without having to fight with her family.
That holds true in any part of the world.
I married a Japanese from a relatively well-off family in Tokyo, and boy did we have to fight. And boy do they blatantly dislike foreigners in Japan. And boy, where they shocked when they heard that I would take their daughter to China of all places.
We won. If it's not worth fighting for, it's not worth having.
SE Asia Joe
11-08-07, 07:49
Joe
It is good and healthy to vent.
take care and try not to have too much fun in dongguan.
do us all a big favor and bang one (or maybe several )for the team.
Thanks to one and all here for their words of comfort and advise etc. I really appreciate it. And yes I did have "fun" - and yes, it was several - in Donguan, but after basically being out of circulation in China past few years - plus the fact that I was still feeling miserable, it still left me feeling quite empty or..?? Oh well!!
anyway - thanks to y'all.
SE Asia Joe
Pointpanic
11-08-07, 11:08
Just get your ass on the ground in Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Shenzhen or Guangzhou in that orderl. Each place has its benefits and special types of girls. Oh, to be young again! Just go for it.
WaikikiBob
Without going into too much details, I see that there are a lot of ABCs on this forum myself included.
My question is, how did you guy manage to find work (seemingly lucrative based on your lifestyle and how much is spent on girls) in Mainland. Obviously I'm not asking for what careers you are in, as that is too much information for a forum of this type.
A little description of myself, I am an ABC recently graduated with a degree in International Marketing. I speak Mandarin fluently although writing and reading skills might be a little lacking. I've been dying to a career in multinational firms that would allow me to travel to Asia. Originally I chose my major because I enjoy international business and trade.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
There is a HUGE demand for educated specialists who are bilingual. English is a big problem in China, and they are beginning to realize it.
A little description of myself, I am an ABC recently graduated with a degree in International Marketing. I speak Mandarin fluently although writing and reading skills might be a little lacking. I've been dying to a career in multinational firms that would allow me to travel to Asia. Originally I chose my major because I enjoy international business and trade.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Dan Hawaii
11-08-07, 12:00
Reminds me of an old joke about 2 buddies drinking at a bar. Guy 1 is complaining about no mater how quiet he is when he goes home, his wife always wakes up and gripes at him for staying out late drinking with his buddies.
Guy 2 replies that he makes as much noise as possible when he gets home, bursts into the bedroom, and shouts out "who wants to fcuk!" His wife always pretends to be fast asleep and leaves him alone.
:)
Oh $hit, that's funny. LOL. I can just imagine the scenarios in my head.
Dan Hawaii
11-08-07, 13:24
Just a bit of advise for all you guys who - like I - think that we've got enough experience to avoid ALL the traps! And also for me to let it all out I guess!
Been keeping this girl for the past 4 years and I thought, I really thought, that there is at least a bit of emotion in our relationship. I mean, she was barely 18 when we started and I've kept her in a very nice apartment, sent her to all sorts of schools, bought all sorts of things - trinkets, clothing, computer, telephones etc, taught her a lot of things, treated her well - and she in turn treated me extremely well, satisfying ALL my desires - sexual and otherwise, whilst I thought truly enjoying it all also i.e. she never had an orgasm before I and she's always saying = I am so scared when we are through and I need to get married, these Local chinese guys will not know how or want to satisfy me the way you do. or I'll always love you no matter what - please always remember me etc etc.
I've been periodically helping her with building her house in her home town - first buying a small plot of land, then slowly, ever so slowly starting to build it up floor by floor - as she says that when she goes back, that she will rent out the 1st floor as shop space, live on the 2nd and rent out the 3rd and 4th. Then I sent her to learn to drive and there she learned that the owner was going to emigrate and wanted to sell the business and asked me to please, pelase let her take over just for RMB60,000 - 40K from me and 20K from her savings.
I decided that it probably would be a good idea for her to learn how to earn money herself PLUS that I could sort of test her sincerity to me (Idiot - why did I do that??!!). Well I handed over the money and a few days later on the bus over to our apartment, I told her that I would be coming over in a half hour or so but she replied - I'm on my way back home, your stuff is in the management office downstairs and You will understand... and hung up!
Sure enough, when I got to the partment it was all cleared out and my stuff was indeed downstairs! And her phone is now disconnected.
The thing that I cannot get over is the heartless way she did this. I mean the money is really a pittance copmpared to what I spent on her in the past which averages over RMB10k per month - and after 4 full years of what I though a meaningful relationship - she would just walk away. Is life/love/relationship really all that cheap in China? I don't understand and probably will never understand - and am not sure if I want to either as I just do not think its another guy or anything like that
SE Asia Joe
Thats messed up Joe........, spending 10k rmb on the girl per month. J/K
I always tell my friends I'll take them to CP to show them a good time, but just promise me one thing, "don't fall in love and get married!!!". But who can blame someone who falls in love, shit happens. Don't worry, time heals all pain. Atleast you never married her and take her back to the states, then you will have to give up half your assets and your ass. Luckily you are already married so that can not happen. And luckily you found out that she was a real Biatch before she talked you into divorcing your family back home so that you can now take her back to the states to take half of everything. Don't lie, you was thinking about it, yeah. You got off easy man. God was smiling on you that day... Showing you her true colors, that's what you wanted, so don't be afraid, her true colors, are beautifuln't, like a rainbow......... from hell. :) . Don't worry, you'll find another playmate/player in no time. In the mean time, enjoy your single life in China, spend your extra 10k rmb on visits to all the BBS and KTVs and saunas. Imagine how many hotter and more playful WGs you can do with 10k rmb and be happy. I know I would be estatic, just estatic. Hehehe. Estatic. Holly shiatsu,!!! you can do 50 BBS girls with that money. And for your emptiness feeling, just find a BBS girl that makes you happy and rent her for a month or two. Would probably cost you less that 10k rmb. But take my advice, "dont fall in love, just bang her like you love her". :)
Without going into too much details, I see that there are a lot of ABCs on this forum myself included.
My question is, how did you guy manage to find work (seemingly lucrative based on your lifestyle and how much is spent on girls) in Mainland. Obviously I'm not asking for what careers you are in, as that is too much information for a forum of this type.
A little description of myself, I am an ABC recently graduated with a degree in International Marketing. I speak Mandarin fluently although writing and reading skills might be a little lacking. I've been dying to a career in multinational firms that would allow me to travel to Asia. Originally I chose my major because I enjoy international business and trade.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Shit Penny , your not looking hard enough. I belong to a website (far east only) for some of the best jobs in China. They range from 50k a year to 300k a year. My problem is the speaking Fluent Chinese , but there are still jobs for me there too.
I will get all the info and post it soon for you and others soon. Stay on me if I should forget or PM me. Its off to work for me now.
stay safe and take care
tile man
Good luck guys. Website for jobs.
tile man
http://www.newchinacareer.com/47B87D621b13b195AFLWFE8F1B59/NCC/en/home/index.html
Clean Gene
11-09-07, 09:39
Penny,
I tried to send you a PM. But it was rejected.
Wishing you the best.
CG
This sums up the dating scene in China to a large extent:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2007-11/08/content_6240336_2.htm
You guys can also try www.jobsdb.com. the listing for jobs in mainland is in chinese.
Good luck guys. Website for jobs.
Tile man
http://www.newchinacareer.com/47B87D621b13b195AFLWFE8F1B59/NCC/en/home/index.html
SE Asia Joe
11-10-07, 08:10
Thats messed up Joe........, spending 10k rmb on the girl per month. J/K
I always tell my friends I'll take them to CP to show them a good time, but just promise me one thing, "don't fall in love and get married!!!". But who can blame someone who falls in love, shit happens. Don't worry, time heals all pain. You got off easy man. . But take my advice, "dont fall in love, just bang her like you love her". :)
You know what - it didn't start out that way - and here is perhaps the gist of the matter. I never set out to fall in love - fact is, I had the complete upper hand when we first started. I mean, what does an 18 year old high school grad, ex-factory and 3 weeks DJ gal know about anything. It started out as just a sex thing - at least on my part, but as the months went by (and jeez how it all breezes away so quickly) and I felt more and more that she was truly in love with me, for what I provide for her, what I teach her, what I made her experience and ooohh so many other things.... well the love on my part started happening and became stronger as the years went by.
Yes 4 years passed by without me even realizing for really, for us older guys, time does fly - but when I think about it - 4 years in such a young life is indeed nearly a lifetime. Lets face it, it was only during these 4 years that she experienced "adult" matters.
I managed to get a hold of her lately and she was all tearful and told me that she really didn't want to do it but that she was forced so as the guy who was trying to sell the business to her had basically cheated her. She gave him a down payment of RMB5,000 and that is when he told her that he wanted rmbxx more for the other car besides the 60,000 for the business and one car etc etc. She didn't know how to tell me all this and figured that she had no other choice but to run away.
OK - to us experienced guys, this all seems like so much BS - but I wonder, really wonder, if this could be the truth and that all this is the product of a young and immature mind not used to things of this world. Even wondering this, I still feel that I no longer could trust her and as such am still uncommittal to her pleading to "get back together' under the same terms and conditions as before. I actually am sooooo afraid that she's just gonna squeeze me more - much more especially if she knows she can get me back even after doing such a horrendous thing.
Anyway,. to al you guys out there - please be careful - even if you're just out there screwing around - for such complicated matters as mine idoes happen. And I had always thought that I was a smart enough mongerer to avoid all pitfalls. NOT TRUE and you guys - hope you learn from this, my shittiest mongering experience yet!
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
11-10-07, 08:16
here's a picture of #3 in Donguan last Tuesday
SE Asia Joe
Dan Hawaii
11-10-07, 08:41
here's a picture of #3 in Donguan last Tuesday
SE Asia Joe
Oh man, don't rub it in. It already sucks living in the USA, well paradise-Hawaii, but don't be rubbing salt in the wound. :)
Hopefully, I'll be back to the "Real" paradise (DG) in January.
You know what - it didn't start out that way - and here is perhaps the gist of the matter. I never set out to fall in love -......
I understand this very much bec I see many friends falling into the same situation. No matter how old we are, "love" can blind us. It is very tempting to help a 18 yrs old girl and fall in "love" too. This can easily happen to me too but luckily I cannot stay in a single city for more than 1 week.
Seems that you have a new chapter coming up soon. Take care and be careful. Maybe the girl's story is true.
Dan Hawaii
11-10-07, 08:56
You know what - it didn't start out that way - and here is perhaps the gist of the matter. I never set out to fall in love - fact is, I had the complete upper hand when we first started. I mean, what does an 18 year old high school grad, ex-factory and 3 weeks DJ gal know about anything. It started out as just a sex thing - at least on my part, but as the months went by (and jeez how it all breezes away so quickly) and I felt more and more that she was truly in love with me, for what I provide for her, what I teach her, what I made her experience and ooohh so many other things.... well the love on my part started happening and became stronger as the years went by.
Yes 4 years passed by without me even realizing for really, for us older guys, time does fly - but when I think about it - 4 years in such a young life is indeed nearly a lifetime. Lets face it, it was only during these 4 years that she experienced "adult" matters.
I managed to get a hold of her lately and she was all tearful and told me that she really didn't want to do it but that she was forced so as the guy who was trying to sell the business to her had basically cheated her. She gave him a down payment of RMB5,000 and that is when he told her that he wanted rmbxx more for the other car besides the 60,000 for the business and one car etc etc. She didn't know how to tell me all this and figured that she had no other choice but to run away.
OK - to us experienced guys, this all seems like so much BS - but I wonder, really wonder, if this could be the truth and that all this is the product of a young and immature mind not used to things of this world. Even wondering this, I still feel that I no longer could trust her and as such am still uncommittal to her pleading to "get back together' under the same terms and conditions as before. I actually am sooooo afraid that she's just gonna squeeze me more - much more especially if she knows she can get me back even after doing such a horrendous thing.
Anyway,. to al you guys out there - please be careful - even if you're just out there screwing around - for such complicated matters as mine idoes happen. And I had always thought that I was a smart enough mongerer to avoid all pitfalls. NOT TRUE and you guys - hope you learn from this, my shittiest mongering experience yet!
SE Asia Joe
I don't know Joe. I don't think you should take her back. She betrayed your trust and that is something that you will never recover from. Everytime she asks you for money, talks on the phone, comes home late, wants you to do something for her, go home to see her family/friends, etc. etc. you will always be thinking something negative in the back of your mind; questioning her true agenda and objectives. A loving relationship is about trust, and when that is compromised, then the relationship will not flourish. Realize what she intended to do, and that was to take your money and run, thinking that she had a great opportunity for a better life. Don't be the constellation prize or second choice. She cognitively left you for money. You must think to yourself,.... her feelings for you is worth less than the money she ran off with.
If you take her back, you will be prolonging the pain and agony, you will never forgive her for what she has done. Well, hope I'm wrong and you have a happy fairytale ending. :)
P.S. .... I never meet you before and I don't know you. But I know you going to take her back. I can read it in your posts, it seems like you are blinded by love. You got it bad man. Best of luck to you. LMK how it goes.
I don't know Joe. I don't think you should take her back. She betrayed your trust and that is something that you will never recover from. Everytime she asks you for money, talks on the phone, comes home late, wants you to do something for her, go home to see her family/friends, etc. etc. you will always be thinking something negative in the back of your mind; questioning her true agenda and objectives. A loving relationship is about trust, and when that is compromised, then the relationship will not flourish. Realize what she intended to do, and that was to take your money and run, thinking that she had a great opportunity for a better life. Don't be the constellation prize or second choice. She cognitively left you for money. You must think to yourself,.... her feelings for you is worth less than the money she ran off with.
If you take her back, you will be prolonging the pain and agony, you will never forgive her for what she has done. Well, hope I'm wrong and you have a happy fairytale ending. :)
P.S. .... I never meet you before and I don't know you. But I know you going to take her back. I can read it in your posts, it seems like you are blinded by love. You got it bad man. Best of luck to you. LMK how it goes.
I concur on this. SE Joe, though I never meet you before. I completely agree with Dan Hawaii's advice.
The girl had cheated on you. And frankly, emotions aside, you had really got off cheap if what you said about spending 10k per month on her is true.
I think she must had instantaneously and stupidly abandoned you while thinking of her future other options with the 40kRMB you had given her.
Thus, even if you take her back, your relationship with her will be short lived since it is common for young and desperate gals to be insecure. Thus, the chance of her cheating your money again is sky high.
Think about it, she is a 22 yrs old gal with a china high school education and had most possibly 60kRMB total. You, on the other hand are an older and financially secure person with ability to spend on her 10k monthly.
No matter how you looked at it, relationship between you two can only be that of payer and service provider. Would you ever ever ever take back an employee who defrauded you? Therefore, the logical thing to do is to dump her and to look for other great service provider available everywhere in China.
PS: If you, against your better side of the brain, decided to take her back, please make sure to limit your future losses by limiting her access to your most precious belongings.
You know what - it didn't start out that way - and here is perhaps the gist of the matter. I never set out to fall in love - fact is, I had the complete upper hand when we first started. I mean, what does an 18 year old high school grad, ex-factory and 3 weeks DJ gal know about anything. It started out as just a sex thing - at least on my part, but as the months went by (and jeez how it all breezes away so quickly) and I felt more and more that she was truly in love with me, for what I provide for her, what I teach her, what I made her experience and ooohh so many other things.... well the love on my part started happening and became stronger as the years went by.
Yes 4 years passed by without me even realizing for really, for us older guys, time does fly - but when I think about it - 4 years in such a young life is indeed nearly a lifetime. Lets face it, it was only during these 4 years that she experienced "adult" matters.
I managed to get a hold of her lately and she was all tearful and told me that she really didn't want to do it but that she was forced so as the guy who was trying to sell the business to her had basically cheated her. She gave him a down payment of RMB5,000 and that is when he told her that he wanted rmbxx more for the other car besides the 60,000 for the business and one car etc etc. She didn't know how to tell me all this and figured that she had no other choice but to run away.
OK - to us experienced guys, this all seems like so much BS - but I wonder, really wonder, if this could be the truth and that all this is the product of a young and immature mind not used to things of this world. Even wondering this, I still feel that I no longer could trust her and as such am still uncommittal to her pleading to "get back together' under the same terms and conditions as before. I actually am sooooo afraid that she's just gonna squeeze me more - much more especially if she knows she can get me back even after doing such a horrendous thing.
Anyway,. to al you guys out there - please be careful - even if you're just out there screwing around - for such complicated matters as mine idoes happen. And I had always thought that I was a smart enough mongerer to avoid all pitfalls. NOT TRUE and you guys - hope you learn from this, my shittiest mongering experience yet!
SE Asia Joe
the most difficult thing to do in life is......... be in love.
the 2nd most is........................................ be alone
You have a big decision to make as to which one you want, but don't beat yourself up so much. Pain is part of life , another woman will ease this pain , but this next time , you need to keep your guard up.
Take care and be safe
tile man
Chocha Monger
11-10-07, 14:57
Well I handed over the money and a few days later on the bus over to our apartment, I told her that I would be coming over in a half hour or so but she replied - I'm on my way back home, your stuff is in the management office downstairs and You will understand... and hung up!
SE Asia Joe
Joe,
I hope you will understand how much your love is worth to this girl. It is worth exactly RMB 40K. I don't know how much fucking some young tight pussy that tells you all the sweet lies men love to hear is worth to you. That is up to you to determine. However, just remember she took the money and ran once and she'll do it again. Obviously, her scheme to take old papa's money and run off with some young Chinese guy didn't work out quite as she hoped. Don't give her a chance to get it right the second time around.
Red Rock II
11-10-07, 22:55
Joe,
Here is my story that I would like to share with you. Many years ago, I met a girl when we were both in graduate school. Shortly after we madly fell in love, I had to go to another college in a city that was more than two thousands miles away from where we were for a special program. We called each other everyday. Over the weekend, we talked on the phone anywhere from 4 to 6 hours. We had been talk to each other like this for almost 3 months until one day that I did not reach her at 6 o’clock in a Sunday morning. I called her roommate right away and ask her if my girlfriend came home last night. She did not answer my question directly. But I could tell clearly that something was wrong.
I went back to school after I complete the program before the Christmas. The night I got back, we were talking in her apartment for a whole night. We did not have sex that night. We sit on a couch holding hands. We talk about how we missed each other and how the life was going and so on. It seem nothing had happened. I did not know that she had her cell phone turned off that night.
There is an old Chinese saying: “You can’t wrap up a fire with a paper tower”. You probably can guess what had happened: a war started between three of us. Though I won the war at the end, I got hurt deep inside of my heart which I did not even realized it. As everyone said in their posts, I never trust her again. But I was still attracted by her physically. We were back together for the next three years. The first year after the incident, we were having sex every day. Sometimes, twice or three times a day. On most of Sundays, we woke up in the morning and showered, then got back to the bed and not got up again until 2 or 3 o’clock in the afternoon.. But we were no longer making love, we were having sex. But I did not know that at the time. I thought we were still in love. However, during those three years, we did not completely live together. I still had another place where I kept most of my stuff and I could always go back to if I wanted to. I locked up all my bank statements and working contracts. I carefully watched the dollars that I spent on her. I didn’t plan on doing all these. I did them under my sub-conscious.
After we were both graduated. She proposed. I said let us wait until we were financially stabled. She knew what I meant. Soon, she found a job in another city and left.
Now when I look back, I never regret that I went back to her after I found out what was happened. At the time, I needed her both emotionally and physically. I was also not in a big hurry to get married. But as everyone knows, this kind of store can never have a happy ending.
Brother, take care and play safe!
Hi SE AsiaJoe,
Any nice places around this are or not to far since I am still getting to know my way around and only been her for 1 week? I am looking for a nice and/or reasonable places? Can you help me? I was one BBS with about 7 girls and they were maybe 5 or 6 to me, then picked one and the girl had an attitude and then I said I am leaving and then she said OK, but by that time I did not want her. Got dressed and left and wondered if the guy would give me a hard time and I complained and the girl said something to me and I said NO and then he said massage and I said Yeh sure and then he got up and grabbed me to go pick another or go up to the room and I said NO and he grabbed by arm and I gave him a dirty look and said NO, then walked out. It was a very busy street and near a night market.
You know what - it didn't start out that way - and here is perhaps the gist of the matter. I never set out to fall in love - fact is, I had the complete upper hand when we first started. I mean, what does an 18 year old high school grad, ex-factory and 3 weeks DJ gal know about anything. It started out as just a sex thing - at least on my part, but as the months went by (and jeez how it all breezes away so quickly) and I felt more and more that she was truly in love with me, for what I provide for her, what I teach her, what I made her experience and ooohh so many other things.... well the love on my part started happening and became stronger as the years went by.
Yes 4 years passed by without me even realizing for really, for us older guys, time does fly - but when I think about it - 4 years in such a young life is indeed nearly a lifetime. Lets face it, it was only during these 4 years that she experienced "adult" matters.
I managed to get a hold of her lately and she was all tearful and told me that she really didn't want to do it but that she was forced so as the guy who was trying to sell the business to her had basically cheated her. She gave him a down payment of RMB5,000 and that is when he told her that he wanted rmbxx more for the other car besides the 60,000 for the business and one car etc etc. She didn't know how to tell me all this and figured that she had no other choice but to run away.
OK - to us experienced guys, this all seems like so much BS - but I wonder, really wonder, if this could be the truth and that all this is the product of a young and immature mind not used to things of this world. Even wondering this, I still feel that I no longer could trust her and as such am still uncommittal to her pleading to "get back together' under the same terms and conditions as before. I actually am sooooo afraid that she's just gonna squeeze me more - much more especially if she knows she can get me back even after doing such a horrendous thing.
Anyway,. to al you guys out there - please be careful - even if you're just out there screwing around - for such complicated matters as mine idoes happen. And I had always thought that I was a smart enough mongerer to avoid all pitfalls. NOT TRUE and you guys - hope you learn from this, my shittiest mongering experience yet!
SE Asia Joe
Dan Hawaii
11-11-07, 10:11
the most difficult thing to do in life is......... be in love.
the 2nd most is........................................ be alone
You have a big decision to make as to which one you want, but don't beat yourself up so much. Pain is part of life , another woman will ease this pain , but this next time , you need to keep your guard up.
Take care and be safe
tile man
It's easy to fall in love, but it is very difficult to stay in love.
Being alone? Hmmmm, depends where you live. If you live in CP, not so hard. If you live in the USA, then yeah, hard. I guess, lots of money can make you "unlonely" anywhere you live :) .
Dan Hawaii
11-11-07, 10:15
You know that cartoon character, GI Joe, "the greatest american hero?" You remember his saying:
"Knowing is half the battle" . You know what the other half of the battle is?
"Doing it" . :)
Albert Punter
11-12-07, 02:58
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Good luck guys. Website for jobs.
tile man
http://www.newchinacareer.com/47B87D621b13b195AFLWFE8F1B59/NCC/en/home/index.html
SE Asia Joe
11-12-07, 03:53
You know that cartoon character, GI Joe, "the greatest american hero?" You remember his saying:
"Knowing is half the battle" . You know what the other half of the battle is?
"Doing it" . :)
Dan, Lex, Vilber, Tile, Chocha, Red - mucho gracias for all your input. Are you guys reading my mind? Everything y'all said is very close to what I am thinking - even though/the same time I know damn well that its totally and dangerously wrong! Jeez - feels as if I'm 18 years old again!
What do I miss? Well I thought it was the sex - the best nicest sex I've had in my long long career philandering and/or mongering. To the point that she actually was the first and only one up to now that I've ever kept in my life. It was THAT good. But this past week has been hellish in that I actually am missing the feeling of being next to her, her scent, her irritatingly long hair always getting in the way, chatting with her, sleeping with her, watching TV together, eating etc. Like I said, feel as if I was 18 years old all over again. Yeah, I've been out multiple times with multiple gals this past week - but all to no avail it seems - in conquering this empty feeling I have.
OK enough of this shit - gotta grow up right?! And since I IS a grown man, guess I gotta start acting like one huh? Believe I'll probably walk straight back into the fire, get her back, experience her all over and get her out of my system once and for all - this last time. I know that there is now no more 'long term' future for us but at the same time, I really feel that our ending was just too abrupt for me to truly get her "out of my system". I will need a couple or so weeks back with her to just do, experience - and say good bye to each other. No, I ain't gonna do anything stupid or destructive. I really believe in the Chinese saying "good coming, good leaving" and have hardly ever burnt any bridges in the past as I do believe that whatever relationship was good enough to start in the past must also be treasured and preserved in the future - even if just for the memory - for we never know when paths do cross again. I do love her and I do want the best for her - and a proper good bye is I think most fitting and proper. Send her off to whatever new life she will forge for herself without the guilt or curse that her "error" could possibly cause her. The old Karma thing.
What do you guys think?
SE Asia Joe
Mock A Bee
11-12-07, 07:52
Dan, Lex, Vilber, Tile, Chocha, Red - mucho gracias for all your input. Are you guys reading my mind? Everything y'all said is very close to what I am thinking - even though/the same time I know damn well that its totally and dangerously wrong! Jeez - feels as if I'm 18 years old again!
What do I miss? Well I thought it was the sex - the best nicest sex I've had in my long long career philandering and/or mongering. To the point that she actually was the first and only one up to now that I've ever kept in my life. It was THAT good. But this past week has been hellish in that I actually am missing the feeling of being next to her, her scent, her irritatingly long hair always getting in the way, chatting with her, sleeping with her, watching TV together, eating etc. Like I said, feel as if I was 18 years old all over again. Yeah, I've been out multiple times with multiple gals this past week - but all to no avail it seems - in conquering this empty feeling I have.
OK enough of this shit - gotta grow up right?! And since I IS a grown man, guess I gotta start acting like one huh? Believe I'll probably walk straight back into the fire, get her back, experience her all over and get her out of my system once and for all - this last time. I know that there is now no more 'long term' future for us but at the same time, I really feel that our ending was just too abrupt for me to truly get her "out of my system". I will need a couple or so weeks back with her to just do, experience - and say good bye to each other. No, I ain't gonna do anything stupid or destructive. I really believe in the Chinese saying "good coming, good leaving" and have hardly ever burnt any bridges in the past as I do believe that whatever relationship was good enough to start in the past must also be treasured and preserved in the future - even if just for the memory - for we never know when paths do cross again. I do love her and I do want the best for her - and a proper good bye is I think most fitting and proper. Send her off to whatever new life she will forge for herself without the guilt or curse that her "error" could possibly cause her. The old Karma thing.
What do you guys think?
SE Asia Joe
SEAJ,
Just remember that lust does not equal love.
You can have love with or without extremely lustful sex.
You can also have extremely lustful sex with or without love.
Don't confuse the two, they are not the same. And yes, neither is mutually exclusive to each other, but they are still not the same.
Good luck, MAB
Clean Gene
11-12-07, 08:18
Ben Franklin says, "Make friends slowly, lose friends slowly."
I try to do this with friends. And with investments (costing time or money). "Casting my bread upon the waters" has returned me great reward, many a time. (Just don't cast bread you can not afford to lose.)
CG
Rubber Nursey
11-12-07, 08:39
I do love her and I do want the best for her - and a proper good bye is I think most fitting and proper. Send her off to whatever new life she will forge for herself without the guilt or curse that her "error" could possibly cause her.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing this for HER, Joe. You're doing it for YOU. The ending was too abrupt and you need more time to say goodbye and I totally understand and respect that (I've been there myself, many times). You want it to be how it was, for just a little bit longer.
But it can never go back to how it was. Things have changed. The trust and honesty has been seriously breached. Instead of making this a 'good leaving', you could end up making things much worse between you. Right now you may be thinking about the sex and the tenderness and all the other nice things you miss, but when she comes back, you're gonna be more interested in explanations and accusations...even revenge. She's gonna be on the defensive. You're gonna be on the lookout for the next betrayal. Things have the potential to get ugly.
Don't do it. Chalk it up to experience and move on. Let her be free to have a career, find a husband and have children - all the things that she deserves to have, but you can't offer. If you take her back, even for a short while, both of your hearts will end up broken. Make a clean break.
A big, virtual bear hug to you, Joe. Best of luck x
SE Asia Joe
11-12-07, 08:57
Joe,
There is an old Chinese saying: “You can’t wrap up a fire with a paper tower”. . I still had another place where I kept most of my stuff and I could always go back to if I wanted to. I locked up all my bank statements and working contracts. I carefully watched the dollars that I spent on her. I didn’t plan on doing all these. I did them under my sub-conscious.
Now when I look back, I never regret that I went back to her after I found out what was happened. At the time, I needed her both emotionally and physically. I was also not in a big hurry to get married. But as everyone knows, this kind of store can never have a happy ending.
Brother, take care and play safe!
That is quite a story you have there young man. And I'm glad that it worked out 'in the end' for you, even though you say "this kind of story never have a happy ending." What I can discern from it all is that you did manage to sort your feelings of lust, love, jealousy, finances, priorities in life etc just fine.
On my case, well, its definitely NOTgoing to have a happy ending - but what I want to do is for this ending to at least be bitter sweet instead of being full of anger, mistrust, guilt etc that it is right now. I had a very good time and at least I think that she also did (and she did tell me so many times - prior to AND after the incident) and it just does not make sense for the ending to be what it is right now.
Right now, I believe that both of us realizes that there is really no way to "go back to what it was before" and that in any case, all along, we need to separate sooner or later. Fact is, she's told me that that was what in the back of her mind when she decided to run away - that her being cheated was perhaps a signal that the end must be then - and that a clean and abrupt way would be the least painless way in the long run. I believe that she's now found out that she is also just too pained to never ever see me again, and thus the reason why she decided to turn her phone back on and allowed me to contact her. Just "good coming, good going" that's all and hopefully it will be more sweet than bitter this way.
SE Asia Joe
Again I appreciate y'all's advise and comforting words etc - and yes, no matter what, I will NOT allow myself to 100% trust her anymore.
SE Asia Joe
11-12-07, 09:09
Don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing this for HER, Joe. You're doing it for YOU. The ending was too abrupt and you need more time to say goodbye and I totally understand and respect that (I've been there myself, many times). You want it to be how it was, for just a little bit longer.
But it can never go back to how it was. Things have changed. The trust and honesty has been seriously breached. Instead of making this a 'good leaving', you could end up making things much worse between you. Right now you may be thinking about the sex and the tenderness and all the other nice things you miss, but when she comes back, you're gonna be more interested in explanations and accusations...even revenge. She's gonna be on the defensive. You're gonna be on the lookout for the next betrayal. Things have the potential to get ugly.
Don't do it. Chalk it up to experience and move on. Let her be free to have a career, find a husband and have children - all the things that she deserves to have, but you can't offer. If you take her back, even for a short while, both of your hearts will end up broken. Make a clean break.
A big, virtual bear hug to you, Joe. Best of luck x
Yes, I recognize all that you write but the advantage of age is that it's given me the wisdom to know that revenge, violence, recriminations etc will only destroy myself and that they never brings back anything. And on it being anything long term - no, we're now planning to get back for just a few days next month (after both of us have had a chance to cool down both ardour and any anger lingering etc). That is the time we will just celebrate whatever we used to have, comfort each toher, catch up with each other, give each other advise (for after all we've been so intimate as to know each other's failings and should be ablt to give each other our best advise for "the rest of our lives"). Oh I know that I wouldn't have been able to handle such an arrangement when I was younger and that it would have just been disastrous - but like I said, I do want the best for her as I do love her - and love definitely means that you must be responsible to the one you love. If you truly love set it free....
SE Asia Joe
Red Rock II
11-12-07, 10:36
Joe,
I will not blame on you if you decide to get back together with the girl as long as you keep your heart in a safe place. Even you are going to go back into the old relationship it is going be a completely new experience. Good or bad, you won’t find out until you go through it. There is a risk, a risk of losing control again. But, as you said, you are a grown and experienced man. It is unlikely to make the same mistake twice!
OldAsiaHand
11-12-07, 17:31
SE Asia Joe:
I reckon that you will do whatever you will do regardless of what we tell you. And, we do not know either of you well enough to really tell you anyway.
That said, IMHO, you are using the Chinese proverb to justify getting back together with her. You are not thinking rationally. It is not possible to keep your heart in a safe place where you are at now.
You are destined to fall deeper into a relationship with no future. The next think she will ask you to do is divorce your wife and leave your family. Most girls in these situation I've encountered consider only 2 selfish options. You or money. If they can't get you all for themselves, they go for the money. Just take the time to heal your wounds, get over it, and move on.
I know I probably sound like a heartless SOB to you. It could be because I have seen it too many times.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-12-07, 17:41
Phil1980,
Yes, I am a skeptic. And, I am sure that you are young, rich and handsome (just pulling your chain). However, did you ever consider that the girls and their parents have ulterior motives? I am curious where you are from. A USA green card is highly coveted in China. The current value is around 65k US$. A great savings if they can scam you into it in exchange for dinner.
Just my POV.
OAH
I have only been to China for several weeks at a time, but have had several experiences where Chinese parents basically tried to hook me up with their daughters, inviting me out for family dinners and other rather embarassing experiences to the extent that it was difficult to shake these people off. Unfortunately none of the girls have quite been to my liking so far.
I hope to go to China for four months next summer, maybe I will find somebody then.
I'm only in my late 20s, maybe the lack of acceptance from the side of the families Tuscan Man is talking about is regarding very old laowais with young Chinese girls.
Clandestine782
11-12-07, 18:41
i met a girl in the elevator that had on standard hooker attire. she was on her way to service an african customer, and i told her that i could speak chinese and would give her 200 for one hour 2 times. she went and backed out on the customer (he did not speak mandarin, so i think that that was my saving grace).
she came to my room and (as always) i treated her as nicely as i could and suggested that we both have a shower (to which she consented).
after we finished the first time, she told me a bit about how she got into the business. it seems that she was raped by someone who had told her that she would be able to get a job if she came to shenzhen. this person also beat her up (she showed me the tail end of the bruise on her face).
i asked her all sorts of questions (and couldn't go again because i was so rattled by her story), and asked her why she didn't go to the police (it was out of fear of the person who put her into the business, since she came all the way from hunan). she said that it was her first day on the job (though she was not at all faintly nervous in bed-- i did not ask her for oral sex, but she misinterpreted some of my gestures in a way that she was going to give it before i stopped her).
what to think of a story like this? i've heard versions of this before, but the bruises made me think a little more seriously of this.
she said that she was afraid to go to the police, and i was thinking of doing something that may not have been so smart. (i didn't do it, after it was all said and done, but thought that if she got tired of being abused and mistreated by drunken customers that her fear of going to the police would get relatively smaller in comparison. the plan was that i could walk her to the police station and she could tell them that i *forced* her to go to the police so that she would not be responsible and be beaten and they could take care of her from there. then i'd be able to sleep soundly tonight. it wouldn't matter to me anyway, because i would have been skipping tomorrow, and so the first challenge of any disgruntled party would have been to *find* my black ass.) but, after the chance of a second sexual encounter was ruined (as a direct result of the story), i told her to clean up and walked her out down to the street.
would the police be willing to help in a situation like this? what could they even do? i've been on many trains and saw police carrying a crimimal back across the country to face justice. maybe they aren't as corrupt as what i'd imagine. this girl was cheated, but had enough money after our encounter to slip onto the very next train going back to central china? when you guys hear situations like this, how do you turn it off in your mind so that you don't see this person's face every time you go and look for a girl?
could this have been a ploy to make me not want to have sex a second time? or to ask me for money to go home with (she didn't)? all that she did after this encounter (where i listened to her patiently and quietly) was to thank me for my kindness. she actually seemed surprised that i even listened.
comments? this is awful, and i'm beginning to see why chinese women have such high suicide rates. maybe there is nothing that i could have done, but would there have been a way to help *even just one,* even if that was all i could do?
Whether you take her back or not it is all up to you however don't fool yourself into that "I am doing her a favor".
From what you stated before, she is your 2nd wife with no future with you since you have a family that you will not leave for her so just pay her like other guys who keep a 2nd wife on the side.
You are paying for her services and she is paying for the money that she gets from you with her youth.
What do you want her to do, keep hanging around you with no future and no savings. What will happen when she is 30 years old and still single.
If I were you, just sit down with her and decide on what you are willing to pay for her time. This will be more fair to both of you since neither one of you will then live in a fairy tale and there will no fake dream of what will be coming in the future.
Sorry to be so harsh but it is just the truth and I have seen it many times with my Taiwan friends. You will never be able to offer her any future. You are just paying to enjoy her time, and she is there for the short pay off. Just my 2 cents.
Rubber Nursey
11-13-07, 04:23
Clandestine: In most countries (if not all), taking a hooker to the police will only land her in trouble, regardless of why she's there. Then, of course, there's the likelihood of retribution from the guy that put her in that position in the first place. If she really is a victim of trafficking/coercion/etc, she took a huge personal risk telling you, let alone the authorities.
I also don't think she'll become more likely to go to the police after being repeatedly mistreated by clients - if anything it will be the reverse, as she becomes more resigned to her fate and loses her sense of self (like a battered wife does).
There is a sex worker organisation in Hong Kong called Zi Teng that could help her. http://www.ziteng.org.hk/ I'd urge you (or anyone else who finds themselves in your position) to give girls in this situation their contact details, or help them get in touch if they don't have the means themselves.
SE Asia Joe
11-13-07, 06:44
Clandestine: In most countries (if not all), taking a hooker to the police will only land her in trouble, regardless of why she's there. Then, of course, there's the likelihood of retribution from the guy that put her in that position in the first place. If she really is a victim of trafficking/coercion/etc, she took a huge personal risk telling you, let alone the authorities.
I also don't think she'll become more likely to go to the police after being repeatedly mistreated by clients - if anything it will be the reverse, as she becomes more resigned to her fate and loses her sense of self (like a battered wife does).
There is a sex worker organisation in Hong Kong called Zi Teng that could help her. http://www.ziteng.org.hk/ I'd urge you (or anyone else who finds themselves in your position) to give girls in this situation their contact details, or help them get in touch if they don't have the means themselves.
RN - Hong Kong and china may be one country - but it is two systems - with two immigration counters dividing the 2 areas! And if the gal could manage to come across to HKG, well, chances are she ain't gonna waste her time contacting Zi Teng. She's going to set herself up in one of the multiple "opportunities to earn money" in Hong Kong.
And as far as reporting to police in China - fergetaboutit!. There's just too many hookers in China that the police certainly ain't gonna do anything about one that came out of the woodworks to report to them about anything!
The situation in China as far as sex workers is concerned is still pretty bleak - and yet there are so many doing it as simply its the easiest way for lots of these gals to earn money fast, and then go back and re-start their life in their hometown/villages.
SE Asia Joe
Rubber Nursey
11-13-07, 08:22
RN - Hong Kong and china may be one country - but it is two systems - with two immigration counters dividing the 2 areas! And if the gal could manage to come across to HKG, well, chances are she ain't gonna waste her time contacting Zi Teng.
I realise the girls probably wouldn't go to Zi Teng in person, but they would still be able to get valuable legal advice and/or support by phone or internet. At the very least, Zi Teng could refer the girl to a similar service in her own area. Zi Teng are probably the only people who could give any real assistance to a girl in the sort of situation that Clandestine described. The police sure as hell won't!
Ragnarok42
11-13-07, 08:55
What to think of a story like this? I've heard versions of this before, but the bruises made me think a little more seriously of this.
Comments? This is awful, and I'm beginning to see why Chinese women have such high suicide rates. Maybe there is nothing that I could have done, but would there have been a way to help *even just one,* even if that was all I could do?
Sorry to sound jaded but I would not help. I have already been the victim of such a scam. The girl gives you a sob story and tells you she is here because she is forced to. She calls you and tells you she wants to stay with you for free and for protection.
After a few days she starts to get threatening calls from the pimp and she says she wants to run away home, wont even take money for the train ride. All she wants is for you to take her to the station. When you flag a cab three goons run out and push you aside and tell the cab to go.....
Shocked, you stand there disbelieving what just happened, but you get an uneasy feeling that this has been some elaborate setup. Sure enough the girls calls the next day crying that she needs money or the pimp will not give her her "freedom". She begs, pleads for you to help, says "don't you love me?"
I leave the city slightly on edge and report the whole scam to the authourities. Turns out they were all in on it, even my mamasan who set me up. Wanted 500,000 RMB for her, so there is your motive.
Trust no one. Sorry to sound so heartless but I have learned from hard experience. You cant help them, wash your hands of the whole affair. They are just looking for innocent foreigners who think they are sympathetic and kind. To them we are walking cash bags with "sucker" written on our foreheads. Keep everything above the table, pay them the agreed amount and let them leave. NEVER, EVER GET INVOLVED.
Just my 2 RMB.
Clean Gene
11-13-07, 10:03
In answer to what a person can afford to lose. Let's take a hypothetical person: He had 1,000.000 USD 6 years ago which he earmarked for China mongering. He kept this invested in the US and transferred roughly 50,000 RMB/month from his US brokerage account to Bank of China. He figured on expending the entire account in his time left in China. He placed any left over RMB into Chinese investments. Today he has roughly 16,000,000 RMB in Chinese investments. And roughly 2,000,000 USD in the US brokerage. These have been extraordinary years. And the most profitable years of his life.
The numbers are hypothetical, but such a fortunate person is alive and mongering in China.
Dan Hawaii
11-13-07, 10:21
Dan, Lex, Vilber, Tile, Chocha, Red - mucho gracias for all your input. Are you guys reading my mind? Everything y'all said is very close to what I am thinking - even though/the same time I know damn well that its totally and dangerously wrong! Jeez - feels as if I'm 18 years old again!
What do I miss? Well I thought it was the sex - the best nicest sex I've had in my long long career philandering and/or mongering. To the point that she actually was the first and only one up to now that I've ever kept in my life. It was THAT good. But this past week has been hellish in that I actually am missing the feeling of being next to her, her scent, her irritatingly long hair always getting in the way, chatting with her, sleeping with her, watching TV together, eating etc. Like I said, feel as if I was 18 years old all over again. Yeah, I've been out multiple times with multiple gals this past week - but all to no avail it seems - in conquering this empty feeling I have.
OK enough of this shit - gotta grow up right?! And since I IS a grown man, guess I gotta start acting like one huh? Believe I'll probably walk straight back into the fire, get her back, experience her all over and get her out of my system once and for all - this last time. I know that there is now no more 'long term' future for us but at the same time, I really feel that our ending was just too abrupt for me to truly get her "out of my system". I will need a couple or so weeks back with her to just do, experience - and say good bye to each other. No, I ain't gonna do anything stupid or destructive. I really believe in the Chinese saying "good coming, good leaving" and have hardly ever burnt any bridges in the past as I do believe that whatever relationship was good enough to start in the past must also be treasured and preserved in the future - even if just for the memory - for we never know when paths do cross again. I do love her and I do want the best for her - and a proper good bye is I think most fitting and proper. Send her off to whatever new life she will forge for herself without the guilt or curse that her "error" could possibly cause her. The old Karma thing.
What do you guys think?
SE Asia Joe
I must concur with everyone that says that you are doing it for yourself and it is a bad idea to take her back, even for a good goodbye. A good goodbye? I think this is total BS. You know you are seeking to find out if there is a slight chance that it may work out. And you want to find out. Don't lie to yourself. Be true to yourself. If you are old and wise, maybe you will be able to overcome the deceit that she has visiously delivered to you. But I doubt it, but possible, maybe with daily meditation:)
It's going to take work, struggle, and a total shut down of your little voice in your head, also known as intuition/doubt. All that speculation and negative thoughts when she comes home late, talks on the phone, goes home to visit family/friends without you, goes somewhere without you, when you call her and hear a mans voice in the background, her on the cell phone and you hear a mans voice, on the internet chatting, asking you for money, money for a new business venture, money for her family, etc etc..... You get the point. Your mind is going to be racing with bad thoughts, mistrust, and doubts, you need to shut that all down. If you cannot do that, you will build all this frustration and rage, and blow up like a 2 ton nuke. Or it may just leak out and you won't be happy and not treat her well, then she will cheat on you in the long run. When you will find out she has cheated on you, you will get all ballistic. Then the story may end there, or just try to work it out again with her for another chapter called, "Joe's Life of Unhappiness". :)
Joe: Whatever you old and newfound friends might tell you: You will, and you always will have to follow your own intuitions. Love is blind. It's your life, it's your money, it's your happiness. Just do what you feel is right. Go for it.
That is quite a story you have there young man. And I'm glad that it worked out 'in the end' for you, even though you say "this kind of story never have a happy ending." What I can discern from it all is that you did manage to sort your feelings of lust, love, jealousy, finances, priorities in life etc just fine.
On my case, well, its definitely NOTgoing to have a happy ending - but what I want to do is for this ending to at least be bitter sweet instead of being full of anger, mistrust, guilt etc that it is right now. I had a very good time and at least I think that she also did (and she did tell me so many times - prior to AND after the incident) and it just does not make sense for the ending to be what it is right now.
Right now, I believe that both of us realizes that there is really no way to "go back to what it was before" and that in any case, all along, we need to separate sooner or later. Fact is, she's told me that that was what in the back of her mind when she decided to run away - that her being cheated was perhaps a signal that the end must be then - and that a clean and abrupt way would be the least painless way in the long run. I believe that she's now found out that she is also just too pained to never ever see me again, and thus the reason why she decided to turn her phone back on and allowed me to contact her. Just "good coming, good going" that's all and hopefully it will be more sweet than bitter this way.
SE Asia Joe
Again I appreciate y'all's advise and comforting words etc - and yes, no matter what, I will NOT allow myself to 100% trust her anymore.
You just need TIME to figure things out for yourself we can't tell you anything and really this is all about relationships and a man's ego. Of course as you're not ready to give her up its gonna cost you more money. I think you were happy with your set up but knew in the back of your mind it can't stay like this forever. But without warning she split "how dare she after I've helped her for so long!" Believe me alot of us have gone thru the pain of a possible or actual separation/divorce from a wife/girlfriend and this is what it is. If it was just LUST there's always someone out there with a better body or face and of course you've been looking for it. I can tell countless personal stories regarding my prior "ego" issues regarding break ups and I even stupidly told a provider in china a few years back that I would marry her. That haunted me for a few years.
My God! Give it a rest guys. Dear Abby we are not. Joe is gonna do what he is gonna do no matter what we say. I am not about to offer advice on this one. Go for it SEAJ, what ever trips your trigger.
For the rest of us, let's get on with our respective lives of chasing pussy in what ever method we select.
ES
Dan Hawaii
11-13-07, 22:12
My God! Give it a rest guys. Dear Abby we are not. Joe is gonna do what he is gonna do no matter what we say. I am not about to offer advice on this one. Go for it SEAJ, what ever trips your trigger.
For the rest of us, let's get on with our respective lives of chasing pussy in what ever method we select.
ES
He wants and is asking for POV, thoughts, and advice, that is why he posted his dilema on the board. We are just giving him what he wants, maybe more than he needs:). Not to be cruel or obnoxious, just hopeing that he can now make an inform decision.
And all this banter is kind of interesting, kind of like a soap opera or drama series on tv. Well, interesting from the sidelines, but I'm sure it's no picnic for Joe. Thanks Joe, I'm also learning from other peoples' posts.
He wants and is asking for POV, thoughts, and advice, that is why he posted his dilema on the board. We are just giving him what he wants, maybe more than he needs:). Not to be cruel or obnoxious, just hopeing that he can now make an inform decision.
And all this banter is kind of interesting, kind of like a soap opera or drama series on tv. Well, interesting from the sidelines, but I'm sure it's no picnic for Joe. Thanks Joe, I'm also learning from other peoples' posts.
Yeah you are right and I was a little out of line with my comment. It is, after all, the Advice thread
ES
Old Mean Dog
11-14-07, 04:08
He wants and is asking for POV, thoughts, and advice, that is why he posted his dilema on the board. We are just giving him what he wants, maybe more than he needs:). Not to be cruel or obnoxious, just hopeing that he can now make an inform decision.
And all this banter is kind of interesting, kind of like a soap opera or drama series on tv. Well, interesting from the sidelines, but I'm sure it's no picnic for Joe. Thanks Joe, I'm also learning from other peoples' posts.
To be honest, I was thinking this section had become a little "flacid" myself.
We all got stories. I think most of us will agree that there is a huge difference in thinking/culture between East and West and that probably about 80% of the girls here are only looking out for their own best interest, even if it means taking a guy on a nice ride.
He is married and got taken to the cleaners by his mistress, plain and simple. When you play with fire, sometimes you get burned.
Don't mean to sound brutal, just call things as I see (read) them.
Best of luck,
CPE
SE Asia Joe
11-14-07, 07:39
He wants and is asking for POV, thoughts, and advice, that is why he posted his dilema on the board. We are just giving him what he wants, maybe more than he needs:). Not to be cruel or obnoxious, just hopeing that he can now make an inform decision.
And all this banter is kind of interesting, kind of like a soap opera or drama series on tv. Well, interesting from the sidelines, but I'm sure it's no picnic for Joe. Thanks Joe, I'm also learning from other peoples' posts.
HI Guys - and again thanks to all of you for your input - even Eagle's as it shows to me that I'm starting to be pathetic in all this..
Also, other reasons why I decided to "air my dirty laundry' here is that
1. I want to let others here beware that no matter how experienced one may think he is, (like I thought I was), lots of time we ain't a match for these little vixens in China.
2. Want to actually write down my thoughts - and be able to in the future refer back to it in the great anonimity that ISG is (since I do not have my own blog)
3. Feel that ISG is the best forum for me to get advise, opinions, thoughts AND even be put down/straightened out when I start to get ridiculous.
The continuing saga is that she is now really wanting to get back to "the way it used to be" And I am telling her - no not right away, lets wait a month or so before we see each other again to give us both time to think it all out properly. And here is the dilemma/choices for me - a. get back to her and try to forget the past, b. Forget about it all and chalk it up to a nasty experience c. Get back with her for a few days and make it a "Good leaving" once and for all.
Oh well, at least now I've got choices whilst when I first started writing, I only had choice B! so at least that's an improvement.
And BTW, just to make sure I don't get too heartbroken, my friends took me back up to Donguan last night and fixed me with this slightly chubby but extra extra bubbly and fun gal. We all had a blast and it made things a lot nicer for me, although at the critical moment, I still went flacid and all of a suddn felt that emptiness again. Oh well!
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
11-14-07, 07:42
here's the little chubby one.
And I've just had another thought as to my choices - something that Rubber Nursey mentioned; I can always get her back for a few days under false pretext.... and exact revenge on her!! Holy cow - how terrible is that for me to even think about??!! forget this one Joe - this is one crazy thought!
SE Asia Joe
here's the little chubby one.
And I've just had another thought as to my choices - something that Rubber Nursey mentioned; I can always get her back for a few days under false pretext.... and exact revenge on her!! Holy cow - how terrible is that for me to even think about??!! forget this one Joe - this is one crazy thought!
SE Asia Joe
Joe
Im glad that i see that you on on the road for recovery and a good rebound. That is the reason i prefer freebies that are certified MILF. All the please, less the monetary and emotional hassles. I just make sure that i have a pic of their current spouse/whatever, so that i know who can be potentially out to get me.
Hey, next drink is on me if we hookup.
ciao
PS. just another abc
Dan Hawaii
11-15-07, 00:54
here's the little chubby one.
And I've just had another thought as to my choices - something that Rubber Nursey mentioned; I can always get her back for a few days under false pretext.... and exact revenge on her!! Holy cow - how terrible is that for me to even think about??!! forget this one Joe - this is one crazy thought!
SE Asia Joe
Uh oh, it's starting. In the beginning you may feel that you can handle it and are in control. But as the emptiness, pain, and agony hits you with every living breath you take, it will overwhelm you. You will seek for revenge for all this hurt and you will vent on her. After you do vent and yell, you will feel sorry for her and feel all that negative feelings towards her is over. But wait a couple more days, it will come back. Like a rollercoaster.
I'm talking from experience and I'm still riding that rollercoaster. I want to get off, but she has an ace up her sleeve, our daughter.
SE Asia Joe
11-15-07, 03:46
Uh oh, it's starting. In the beginning you may feel that you can handle it and are in control. But as the emptiness, pain, and agony hits you with every living breath you take, it will overwhelm you. You will seek for revenge for all this hurt and you will vent on her. After you do vent and yell, you will feel sorry for her and feel all that negative feelings towards her is over. But wait a couple more days, it will come back. Like a rollercoaster.
I'm talking from experience and I'm still riding that rollercoaster. I want to get off, but she has an ace up her sleeve, our daughter.
SHIT - my 'pain' ain't nuthin compared to yours. Its truly teenage stuff compared to what you must be going through right now.
I went thru a messy divorce a good 20 years ago - with children involved - and even up to today, I still quite occassionally feel pangs of anger, pain and missing. For what could have been, what should have been and prayers that things will turn out all alright for everybody.
I cain't say that time will cure all the pains - but it does dull it and one does learn to handle it with its passage. It took me quite a few years of partying, orgying and living with reckless abandonment before settling down again to married life. So far, the 2nd marriage has been.... OK - but its been lacking in "sparkle' so to call - and that is the reason for my having kept a mistress. This little gal was everything that satisfied me (the old ego thing I guess and I guess I spoiled her) - which brought me to this present dilemma.
Oh well, life goes on - and that is what I want to write to you - life does go on and you just need to go along with it with as much optimism as you can muster. Good luck
SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
11-15-07, 04:07
And BTW - I saw quite a scene the other night in Dongguan at the main entrance as I was leaving the K-OK with my chubby one. Here was a mamasan - a gal mid 30"s beating the holy crap out of a young gal with some of the other managers/girls sort of perfunctorily stopping the beating. But it went on and on. OK as a gentleman - what should I have done? A fight amongst PROFESSIONAL GALS, IN CHINA, with all sorts of bystanders just gawking (including myself - ouch, sorry) and it was pretty fierce with pointy shoe kicks to all part of the body etc.
Basically, the mamasan was beating the gal up as the gal had refused to "go out' with a customer. Must have been a helluva customer for the mamasan to get so riled up - and to actually do her discipline so in the open and done by herself instead of some of the 'guys' these mamasans usually have.
The gal though was putting upquite a fight herself and shouting that she don't owe her mama anything and that she cain't force her to go out with anybody she refuese to go with... Ahhh the changing face of China!
SE Asia Joe
Clandestine782
11-15-07, 18:25
For what it is worth:
The girl who was rough handled ended up going back home. I went to find her for a second night and was told that she had "returned home." So, maybe she is on the way to something better.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-07, 04:24
For what it is worth:
The girl who was rough handled ended up going back home. I went to find her for a second night and was told that she had "returned home." So, maybe she is on the way to something better.
Huh??!! You referring to the gal I saw get beaten up?
Which K-OK were you at? Seems too far fetched as big as China is.
SE Asia Joe
Old Mean Dog
11-16-07, 05:54
Huh??!! You referring to the gal I saw get beaten up?
Which K-OK were you at? Seems too far fetched as big as China is.
SE Asia Joe
Hehehe....or is it? Considering his handle and the fact that you did say Dongguan as the location of the KTV, he might have been there. Since we don't know what most of the members of this forum look like, you can never be sure hell, I might even be your next door neighbor...creepy huh?
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
11-16-07, 08:01
Hehehe....or is it? Considering his handle and the fact that you did say Dongguan as the location of the KTV, he might have been there. Since we don't know what most of the members of this forum look like, you can never be sure hell, I might even be your next door neighbor...creepy huh?
-CPE
CREEPY.... that's what I feel right now. I've just posted on the Cheap sex in China and then started reading the Changcun thread w/Bnlee telling the same guy I referred to in the CSIC thread - Olson - that he needed professional help. Well, I then read what this Olson guy've been writing - and from what I can see/IMHO - this guy is real "different"!
CREEEEEPY!!
SE Asia Joe
Ps. I see that they're also discussing this "different character" on the Shanghai thread (gotta change my prev description as I don't want to get booted off ISG for any disparaging remarks about another member!!)
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
Are you shittin me Long Bro , go for it. I don't like to dip my pen in Company ink (my female employees) because of me getting sued here in USA. In China , many woman have to fuck her boss in order to keep her job. Women have been fucking their way to the top for years , so you should do the same.
They are no such laws inforced in China for sexual harrassment. There are laws but its all smoke and mirrors. GO FOR IT.
take care and be safe
tile man
Dan Hawaii
11-17-07, 05:36
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
Is she your boss? I wouldn't mind fucking my boss if she was hot. But if she was not, start looking for another job :) . Unless you are willing to take one for the team. Hahaha. If you are her boss, then....wow, you got the upper hand.
But you ever heard the saying, "don't shit where you eat"?
1.) I would have no qualms whatsoever fucking my landlord - one way or the other.
2.) As for shagging your admin, I would advise against it. For the simple reason of the internationally accepted rule of "Don't dip your wick in the company ink." Especially when you are the boss. It is true that the lunacy of US sexual harrasment legislation and lawsuits hasn't reached China. However, in my book, no matter the country, relationships with your employees should be kept on a strictly professional level - in the interest of all.
3.) In China, the morals of intramural dalliances appear to be individual to certain corporate cultures. Foreign companies usually import their own rules. US companies usully have Zero Tolerance, European companies usually have don't ask, don't tell. Chinese can be all over the map. I have seen Chinese companies where the bed was indeed a waypoint on the career path. I have seen others, very prude, with very strict morals. For instance, in a company I know, a office romance between two (same level) people was observed by the company president (a woman, Chinese, unmarried.) She asked her VP to fire the FEMALE part of the dalliance, on the grounds that the female had betrayed her boyfriend at home. The VP argued he would not interfere with the private lives of his employees. Truth was he needed her. The female stayed.
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
Ragnarok42
11-17-07, 18:35
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
1. Fuck the landlord, you might even get a discount if you pleasure her just right....
2. Dont fuck the help, no matter if she is your boss or your sect. Regardless of sexual harrasment laws or lack of in China, ppl here have big mouths and a nasty habit of nosing in on other peoples business. Office gossip is rampant and you will find it hard to get anything done when everyone looses all respect for you. I have been the victim of such circumstances before and its not as much fun or as easy to disregard as you think. So unless you plan on marrying the girl, do not touch her.
My 2 RMB.
Thanks Gents;
Thanks so much for the replys and I understand responses received. To answer the question I am the her Boss (in Fact the Chairman/CEO) and I was giving great thought about "sticking my wick in the company ink"). Yes some are correct on the standard operating procedure in the USA is not dipping; but you all know China is not standard about anything whats so ever. But for me I am single and don't have the bullshit 2nd wife issue to deal with and as for the landlord that is of more a no brainer. But do you gents think this is the common trap in China when comes to the admin situation and landlord? And I forgot to tell you that both my admin and my landlord are Virgins. So I am just trying to be little more careful of the Do's and Don'ts.
Peace
Long Bro
Hello Gents,
I have spent many years reading the great wealth of information here and I have a question which I think maybe already answered in my mind. But it is the old question of having a relationship with my admin and doing the deed. I know this may or may not be a common in China & beijing. But I would consider of looking at the pro's and cons of doing this; before venturing down this road. I even had the same experince developing with my landlord and she is damm awesome 20's something and yale educated. So I would love to hear other's advice and exprience in this department. Also I am not newbie to beijing and China life. Been here since 2002; but never went down this road before.
Peace,
Long Bro
Thanks Gents;
Thanks so much for the replys and I understand responses received. To answer the question I am the her Boss (in Fact the Chairman/CEO) and I was giving great thought about "sticking my wick in the company ink"). Yes some are correct on the standard operating procedure in the USA is not dipping; but you all know China is not standard about anything whats so ever. But for me I am single and don't have the bullshit 2nd wife issue to deal with and as for the landlord that is of more a no brainer. But do you gents think this is the common trap in China when comes to the admin situation and landlord? And I forgot to tell you that both my admin and my landlord are Virgins. So I am just trying to be little more careful of the Do's and Don'ts.
Peace
Long Bro
Ragnarok couldn't have put it more succinctly.
- Go for the landlord.
- Don't fuck the help. For rationale see Ragnarok's post.
Since you are the Chairman/CEO of most likely a WOFE: Lets hope it was incorporated before January 1 2007. After that, a supervisory board is mandated, of which at least one member has to carry a party book. That board is required to keep a sharp lookout for hooliganistic activities ... nuff said.
- As for virgins: I've never been in a country where so many girls in their mid to late twenties openly flaunt their virginality - a sorry state that would be shamefully hidden by their Western or Japanese counterpartesses. Personally, I don't know whether their condition is true or a fake - I won't find out. A "virgin" gets my standard answer: "There are men who go ape over a virgin. And there are men who prefer that others do the bloody job. I'm of the latter kind." Apart from the bloody business, in my mind, the mention of "virgin" raises the alarming sound of wedding bells. Also, be aware that in China, virginality isn't necessarily a one way road: Restorative services that repair a popped cherry are available for roughly RMB 1000. Be it as it may, I'd rather deal with a scorned landlord than with a rejected secretary that will poison the whole enterprise with lurid stories.
Bottom line: Landlord: Hao. Admin: Bu hao.
I'm also the CEO of a WFOE with offices in Beijing, where we are registered, and Shanghai. There's no rule requiring Chinese to be seated on any supervisory board, and no party book requirement either. There's no requirement for us to have any Chinese citizens on our Board of Directors, or even employed by the company. I could see that for a JV, but not a WFOE - that's the whole benefit of the "Wholly Foreign Owned" part - it also includes managment.
Everyone's advise about sampling the talent is spot on, however.
Clandestine782
11-19-07, 01:58
Huh??!! You referring to the gal I saw get beaten up?
Which K-OK were you at? Seems too far fetched as big as China is.
SE Asia JoeNo, this happened in Shenzhen. I'd written an earlier post (the very one prior to the one on which you were commenting) about an ethical dilemma that I had about a girl that I was afraid had been battered and forced to do the work that she was doing. I most certainly was not talking about the girl that you saw way down in DG. (If you saw me, in person you wouldn't be able to forget me anyway. A very big black man with a high pitched voice. Think: Mike Tyson.)
I'm also the CEO of a WFOE with offices in Beijing, where we are registered, and Shanghai. There's no rule requiring Chinese to be seated on any supervisory board, and no party book requirement either. There's no requirement for us to have any Chinese citizens on our Board of Directors, or even employed by the company. I could see that for a JV, but not a WFOE - that's the whole benefit of the "Wholly Foreign Owned" part - it also includes managment.
It's a recent rule, in effect since 2007. The requirement is for a "Supervisory Board," not for a BOD. The party book requirement is a boon to retired party members, and corporate registration agencies maintain lists of eligibles. Does not affect ownership (wholly owned,) or management. A supervisory board supervises, it doesn't manage. Even with the board, the ownership remains wholly foreign. As it had been explained to me, the Supervisory Bord must consist of a minimum of one, no nationality specified, but at least one member of that board must also be a member of the party. Now go find a lao wei with a party book ....
Let me start the egoistic guy "Cheap Meat" thread over here.
From his postings, we know why he cannot get freebies. Even WGd want to disappear quickly after seeing him. Seems that this guy has major problems.
Some of us find it so easy to find Freebies. Freebies are everywhere. All we need is to threat them nice. I actually have problems trying to run away from freebies.
Of course Cheap Meat will never find one with his current mental state.
let me start the egoistic guy "cheap meat" thread over here.
from his postings, we know why he cannot get freebies. even wgd want to disappear quickly after seeing him. seems that this guy has major problems.
some of us find it so easy to find freebies. freebies are everywhere. all we need is to threat them nice. i actually have problems trying to run away from freebies.
of course cheap meat will never find one with his current mental state.
lex
lets not get into a flaming war with cheap meat and mr. s. olson. some guys maybe more shy than others and some just never can relate to the opposite sex adequately. it is usually easier for these guys to relate to a playboy, penthouse and or hustler magazines than to the real thing. it is sad for a guy like s. olson to state that he is usually done (come) as he is viewing the wg undress in front of him. his mental states takes over his physical state. he just need t learn to control his emotions. a good therapist could help him. maybe the best way for him to get a heir is to put for him to catch the stuff in a container and put it in a turkey baster to impregnate the gal. i have heard some lesbos obtaining the liquids from their gay guy friends and impregnating their signif. other with it.
i think for guys like cheap meat and s. olson, they just need to reprogrammed by a good therapist and hopefully they can re intergrate into the male species of the world and learn how to handle female.
as for myself, i am fortunate never (let me say never again) ever had to encounter this situation as these two bros' have in meeting and relating to the female species. being an abc in the exec level, i have never had any problems in finding freebies. when in china i usually gives some of my times to the freebies but also like to go up to cp and dg to samples some of the wonderful gals in the ktvs'. i just love to walk into jia yi and see the three hundred girl line up and then pick and choose my flavor for the evening. like a child in a candy store. freebies in china i find is very easy. treat them with respect and in a few days they will be trying to seduce you. yes... seduce you. i just loves it.
on this last trip in october, i had a hard time trying to get rid of my two freebies...i never made it up to cp or dg. both of the freebies knows of the other and they were trying to literally f*ck me to oblivion. on this trip i was glad to be leaving the hk. another day, i would really have a problem with my high blood pressure.
my advice to cheap meat is to not think about the xiao jie as cheap meat and show them the debornaire gentleman that you are. dress nice and presentable when going out with them. compliment the ladies (you would not believe a few sweet words will earn you.) and you will be on your way. you do not need to buy them expensive gifts or anything, maybe a small batch of flowers will do. that stuff is so cheap in china but goes a very long way. i usually pickup a few nicknaks before coming to china. things that they can not buy over there in china or compare to. this way they think you may spend a ton of money on them. i have even done that with a front desk clerk at the hotel i usually stay in china and she has been trying to seduce me for the last year. i am booked full so she just need to take a number...(wink).
i also had two wg that like me and have also become freebies too.
for s. olson, if you are reading this, you may need the same advice as cheap meat but added is that you may want to speak with a sexologist therapist(i think that is the medical term that is used and the area of expertise). i cannot tell you how to control you physical emotions of releasing early, but seeking professional help maybe the best way to go. there may be quite a few others like yourself out in the world that have this problem. im blessed that i do not have this issue to deal with.
this is just my two rmb. good luck and please do not read this as an intending flaming of you two.
good luck
Ira Johnson
11-21-07, 02:08
My advice...is to not think about the xiao jie as cheap meat and show them the debornaire gentleman that you are. dress nice and presentable when going out with them. compliment the ladies (you would not believe a few sweet words will earn you.) and you will be on your way. You do not need to buy them expensive gifts or anything, maybe a small batch of flowers will do. That stuff is so cheap in china but goes a very long way. I usually pickup a few nicknaks before coming to china. Things that they can not buy over there in china or compare to. This way they think you may spend a ton of money on them. I have even done that with a front desk clerk at the hotel i usually stay in china and she has been trying to seduce me for the last year. I am booked full so she just need to take a number...(wink).Brilliant advice.
I am new to the hobby, but I see the sense in B2's words. Even in my day to day life here in China, simply expressing true interest in a lady or commenting on something out of the ordinary for her ("MeiMei, that color blue is very nice on you. I can't stop looking at you because you are so pretty in that. ") is amazingly well received. I don't know exactly how Chinese guys treat ladies, but apparently chivalry is not common among them.
My partner in crime Clark Savage encouraged me to dress nicely for our outing, and I did. No jeans and t-shirt, and no business suit, but a nice pair of khakis, a dress shirt without tie, and nice shoes (since we have to take our shoes off wherever we'd go, I remembered to even wear new socks.) It helped, because many of the ladies noticed US. I'm going to keep this behavior up, because in a setting where the ladies have just as many men to pick from as the men have ladies, I want to stand out.
The tchatchkes or little gifts are fucking brilliant, as well. I don't know what I could provide that is uncommon here in China since I did not bring such stuff with me from the US for this extended stay (2 years probably), but tiny things that even the Chinese girls could readily obtain themselves still go a long way. Cellphone charms, chocolate, even earrings. I notice many Chinese girls wear the same jewelry day in and day out, so giving them an option is appreciated. And at many of the underground marketplaces here in Changchun, much can be obtained for a few RMB with some negotiation (and I don't even speak Chinese yet).
Hell, even bringing my own condom seemed appreciated!
Get a pocketful of cute little goodies like cellphone charms, etc. , and try them on WGs and Freebies alike. It won't cost much, and you may be surprised at the result.
It's the Golden Rule all over again: Treat them the way you'd like to be treated. As a special, important individual.
Mock A Bee
11-21-07, 06:50
I know you guys are all 'normal' too right? I mean, it must be normal to get free sex everyday from girls. (yeah right). If there was so much free sex everywhere, there would be no hookers and they wouldn't be able to charge anything. I know your types. You think you can get sex for nothing. I've seen some ads on adult listings and saw about 30 ads of guys looking for free sex with women. You know how many ads there were from women looking for free sex with men? About 3. So stop the myths! Sex isn't free.
Hey Cheap Meat,
No, sex with women is technically never free. There is no free lunch...
However, I think the "Free Sex" we are talking about here is GFE type sex, with a girl who is not necessarily a WG (though many of us have experienced free WG sex, self included), essentially "no strings attached sex". We are talking about sex with a girl who simply wants to get laid, without getting paid for it.
The way you do that is outlined previously. See posting by Bnlee2. This method is the same as in most countries (no, not all), perhaps because most girls like this kind of soft and mushy romantic stuff.
Basically, it is a very primal kind of thing. If a women were to get pregnant, she wanted to know her male partner was going to stick around to provide food and protection, and eventually help raise the child. She has to be pregnant for 9 months, and raise the kid after all. Most women have a built-in nurturing function deep in their brain.
For the man? well, all he has to do is spurt his seed all over the place to get as many females pregnant as possible to help procreate and spread his genes.
Basically women need to know if you are for real or just another guy wanting to get laid... BEFORE she says, "ok, let's F**k!
When you add contraceptives to the equation, women are all of a sudden empowered and can fool around all they want without risk of getting pregnant.
Now times are different, but really not all that different, she still needs to know you are for real, not just another *******.
Lesson learned? Don't be a *******!
The free sex (ok, relatively free sex) is pretty available in China with plenty to go around for all. The answers are all within this Forum, I suggest you keep reading.
Good luck dude, you are going to need it.
MAB
I know you guys are all 'normal' too right? I mean, it must be normal to get free sex everyday from girls. (yeah right). If there was so much free sex everywhere, there would be no hookers and they wouldn't be able to charge anything. I know your types. You think you can get sex for nothing. I've seen some ads on adult listings and saw about 30 ads of guys looking for free sex with women. You know how many ads there were from women looking for free sex with men? About 3. So stop the myths! Sex isn't free.
Hey Cheap Meat.
Yes there is free sex out there. You do not need to buy expensive presents and gifts for the girl, you just need to charm the panties off of them. Just read my posting and it is very easy to find, unless you have physical ans some mental issues like Mr. S. Olson, then I would suggest you seek professonal help.
Hey Cheap Meat.
Yes there is free sex out there. You do not need to buy expensive presents and gifts for the girl, you just need to charm the panties off of them. Just read my posting and it is very easy to find, unless you have physical ans some mental issues like Mr. S. Olson, then I would suggest you seek professonal help.
BN, thank you very much for sharing this technique for winning girl's heart. I think your little gifts idea is brilliant for getting even more passionate sessions. Girls like small little things. Another thing I am sure most of us are aware is that Chinese girls like holding hand. When they let you hold her hand, you are almost sure to get her to bed.
As for CheapMeat, he is a real sad case. Seems that he has inferiority complex. Maybe we should just leave him alone and let him solve his own problems.
Meanwhile we can share techniques to get more freebies and also to bail-out.
I really need bail-out techniques. Some freebies are so sticky that they will pay their own airfare to fly with me.
This stupid fuck just went into my "Ignore List". A worthless troll and waste of Jackson's band width.
ES
This stupid fuck just went into my "Ignore List". A worthless troll and waste of Jackson's band width.
ES
ES, How do you convince them for Creampie? I have done almost everything on freebies (toys, shaving, anal etc) except creampie
Ragnarok42
11-21-07, 11:19
ES, How do you convince them for Creampie? I have done almost everything on freebies (toys, shaving, anal etc) except creampie
Two words: Simultaneous Orgasm
If you get them to the brink (and yourself), I find you can leave it wherever you want - inside, outside, face, breasts... I have even had freebies get upset when I do it outside, saying they want it inside.
If you can get the girls sufficiently aroused, they are putty in your hands, so work on your technique,.
Lot and lots of work ;-)
Ace Gallant
11-21-07, 14:03
I know you guys are all 'normal' too right? I mean, it must be normal to get free sex everyday from girls. (yeah right). If there was so much free sex everywhere, there would be no hookers and they wouldn't be able to charge anything. I know your types. You think you can get sex for nothing. I've seen some ads on adult listings and saw about 30 ads of guys looking for free sex with women. You know how many ads there were from women looking for free sex with men? About 3. So stop the myths! Sex isn't free.Just one statement to make here:
What's impossible for you doesn't means its impossible for others.
Enjoy,
AG
BTW: This might helps.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2015&page=6&pp=30
Two words: Simultaneous Orgasm
If you get them to the brink (and yourself), I find you can leave it wherever you want - inside, outside, face, breasts... I have even had freebies get upset when I do it outside, saying they want it inside.
If you can get the girls sufficiently aroused, they are putty in your hands, so work on your technique,.
Lot and lots of work ;-)
Nuff said
ES
Ace Gallant
11-22-07, 02:06
This stupid fuck just went into my "Ignore List". A worthless troll and waste of Jackson's band width.
ESThat the right thing to do ES, why bother to waste your time when it can be better spend with freebies? This goes to other member too!
Great job on the posts, keep it up! Perhaps we should meet up for a beer since it’s been months since we last met?
Not long ago, I had a strange encounter with a 30 odd freebie. (As we know, I don’t usually do this category of girls and that’s why you and I will never hit on the same girl at the same time). What’s strange about this girl is that she wants me to bareback her from the first time (and last). It started off from a chat on QQ and ended up in bed on the first meeting. When I refused her proposal to bareback her, she started to show me all these recent papers she had on her clean medical records including one that was two days old that stated that she is clear from all STDs. She told me that she had intentionally did this medical check up because she wants me to bareback me. What scary about it is, she wants me to get her pregnant! However, she does not want me to marry her because she is already married.
The real story was that she is married to a local Shanghainese man for 13 years and had been trying to conceive without success. She had gone to several Gynaecologists and they all told her that she is perfectly OK. However her husband, due to pride, refused to see a doctor for any potency and keeps on saying that he is 100% OK.
In order to prove that she is able to produce babies, she had been (I am man number 3) having bareback sex with man trying to get herself pregnant. She told me that she would however do STDs test prior to meeting these men and show us the results in order to convince us that she is totally clean.
These are couple of questions which I found her strange:
1)She wants men to get her pregnant, just to prove that she is perfectly OK, but isn’t those medical papers from her Gynaecologists enough to prove this point?
2)If she gets pregnant by men other than her husband, isn’t hat’s adultery and gives her husband a good reason to divorce her?
3)Why would she want to carry the baby of a man she pick up from QQ, and will she deliver the baby?
4)She would do medical test to prove that she is clean of all STDs, aren’t she is concern that the men that is going to bareback her clean?
After some further chatting on my bed, she finally also admits that she is in need for good sex as her husband, throughout the 13 years of marriage life, did not really give her any real good sex. She said that her husband would "Cum too fast". He would take only 5 minutes before shooting his load and would be done for the rest of the night.
I don’t do Bareback sex often but somehow her constant pestering cause me to think with my "little head" and gave in to her. We had a all night long sex over a period of 6 hours with me shooting 3 loads into her. Sex with an older woman (more experience) is always been good. She left that morning saying that she will inform me if she get as part of deal is that I cannot claim the baby as mine even if she get pregnant. (Which actually answers my question no. 4 but however, will she really keep and deliver that baby? )
She had sent me a couple of chat notes for another meeting, on QQ after that encounter but I did not reply her.
ES: Not sure whether you had come across such experience as you have more freebies in this category. Or perhaps you were one of the two other men she had sex with before me?
I had found that every freebies seems to have a different story to tell. This is unlike WGs whom share the few "stereo" type of stories. I guess this is part of what makes them a freebie?
Enjoy!
AG
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Ace Gallant
11-22-07, 02:33
I don't post that much anymore ever since I had a fight with with a self-claimed Expert from the Dongguan board.
But this subject about freebie and a discussion over afternoon tea with buddy member Mock-A-Bee trigger me off to give my POV on freebies:
1) Freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rids of. (especially in China! )
2) Get in and get out fast, before they turn into paybies (my made up name for gold diggers)
3) Size up the girls quickly on first meeting and determine which category they belongs to. This will helps you to apply one of the different approach in convincing them to your bed.
4) To many girls, they enjoy sex much more than the man does, the exception is that they are too shy to talk about it.
5) To many girls, sex is something they need more than a lot of men, and that's why there are a lot of freebie available out there. You just have to keep your eyes open! 6) You need to invest a little more time in order to get quality freebies. This time could be time spent in the chat rooms (QQ or MSN).
I have my share of the freebies and I do it more of the challenge. Currently my share of mongering time on freebies and WGs (Mainly Saunas, KTV and BBS) are 50 /30. You might ask, where is the other 20%? Well. I am working on a real GF now. She is likely to be my wife when I retire in a year.
Enjoy!
AG
Blacklisted
11-22-07, 05:17
This stupid fuck just went into my "Ignore List". A worthless troll and waste of Jackson's band width.
ESI like that! Very well put.
Looking forward to meeting up with you sometime. Believe good buddies MAB and AG have hooked up already.
I have not had that exact experience but a similar one. A few years ago I struck up with a lady from Wuhan. Found her on AFF and we chatted off and on for several months then I went to Wuhan for a weekend of hide the weenie. An OK session but not really memorable
One day she said she will come to Shanghai to meet a class mate who lives in Hangzhou. Another so so weekend.
Some time after she told me she had a friend who married a Brit but he was sterile and could not make her pregnant. Asked if I would consider fathering a child for her. Keeping in mind I have had a vasectomy I said I would consider it he he he. I chatted with her friend and we met for coffee to "get to know each other". She was really a very pretty lady, classy looking, poised and a nice rack. All went well and it was agreed that she will let me know when she is ovulating.
She sent me SMS on mobile the next week and we met at my apartment. I kept her pussy full of cum for three days.
The only thing I ever heard from her again was she did not get pregnant. Best of my knowledge she is back in the UK, childless.
OK, all you guys can flame me now for lying to her but what the hey!
BTW, the Wuhan lady thinks I am a real hero for trying.
ES
Old Mean Dog
11-22-07, 08:11
I don't post that much anymore ever since I had a fight with with a self-claimed Expert from the Dongguan board.
Oh geez, I wonder who you are referring to? Didn't you just tell someone it is better to just forget about it and make peace?
I am positive this guy never proclaimed to be the "Expert" of anything, he was just tired of all the B.S. and inflated ego someone carried with them. Seems you were welcomed to a dinner a few weeks back that you declined to attend as well as yesterday, but when you found out that this member of ISG would be in attendence, you pouted and refused to join in.
Let it go AG.
-CPE
Ragnarok42
11-22-07, 10:25
I kept her pussy full of cum for three days.
OK, all you guys can flame me now for lying to her but what the hey!
BTW, the Wuhan lady thinks I am a real hero for trying.
ES
I am flaming you out of shear jealousy.
Had a similar experience where I "deflowered" a 26 year old girl I was good friends with for 3 years. She had her first sexual experience with a lesbian so technically she was a virgin...two nights of non stop sex without condoms or inhibitions. Let me tell you, there is no replacing the kind of shear freedom of not worrying about protection, anywhere, anytime, any position.
Keep up the good work and have to assume the lady enjoyed it as well. No apologies necessary.
BossLove72
11-22-07, 17:23
To many girls, they enjoy sex much more than the man does, the exception is that they are too shy to talk about it.
To many girls, sex is something they need more than a lot of men, and that's why there are a lot of freebie available out there. You just have to keep your eyes open! 6) You need to invest a little more time in order to get quality freebies. This time could be time spent in the chat rooms (QQ or MSN).
I have my share of the freebies and I do it more of the challenge. AGAmen to that! Cheap Meat, I must disagree with you. Now I do believe that nothing is free but sometimes the ladies just want what you got. In a foreign skin.
I just had one, 35 year old, super smart and speaks English and well paid to translate. She has brought everything for me. I just look at it and I could have it. She has brought a 450 rmb bottle of colonge
BossLove72
11-22-07, 17:28
This woman brought me airline tickets and took me with her. Shanghai, Suzhou and other places. I did not pay for one single thing. She was a virgin when I met her. If I just looked at something she would buy it for me.
SO there are true freebies. I just lost her, she thought I may have gotten her pregnant, so now she afraid to look at me in the face, but has now sent her girlfriend over to take care of me. I LOVE China. So yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus and Cheap Meat, there are truly free freebies around as well.
Red Rock II
11-22-07, 21:31
Getting a woman to buy everything for you is nothing to be proud of. In Chinese cultural, it is worse than a girl's getting a sugar dady. It will fine to share your story with us here. If you are living in China, please don't talk loud about it in a public place.
El Frances
11-22-07, 21:46
My experience in China is that when I was looking for freebies, I never got any. It just hapened at random. The last time, I was buying glasses in a shop and was communicating with the salesman with a translating device. There was a girl next to me who was very curious about this device. I showed her how it worked with a few words, and finally handed her the device with the phrase "I love you" (in english. The device only translates single words). That's how it started!
Dan Hawaii
11-22-07, 21:53
I don't post that much anymore ever since I had a fight with with a self-claimed Expert from the Dongguan board.
But this subject about freebie and a discussion over afternoon tea with buddy member Mock-A-Bee trigger me off to give my POV on freebies:
1) Freebies are easy to get but difficult to get rids of. (especially in China! )
2) Get in and get out fast, before they turn into paybies (my made up name for gold diggers)
3) Size up the girls quickly on first meeting and determine which category they belongs to. This will helps you to apply one of the different approach in convincing them to your bed.
4) To many girls, they enjoy sex much more than the man does, the exception is that they are too shy to talk about it.
5) To many girls, sex is something they need more than a lot of men, and that's why there are a lot of freebie available out there. You just have to keep your eyes open! 6) You need to invest a little more time in order to get quality freebies. This time could be time spent in the chat rooms (QQ or MSN).
I have my share of the freebies and I do it more of the challenge. Currently my share of mongering time on freebies and WGs (Mainly Saunas, KTV and BBS) are 50 /30. You might ask, where is the other 20%? Well. I am working on a real GF now. She is likely to be my wife when I retire in a year.
Enjoy!
AG
Hi AG, welcome back! I missed your friendly banter. I heard you met Johnny Chan in SZ with Wadman and Santa. I heard that Seibu's BBSs are just as good as Yalan BBSs???
I should be back in the first week of February. Hope I will see you then.
So how was your major orgy party with your clients? I'm sure everyone had the time of their lives.
In Chinese culture it's known as "chi ruan fan" = "eat soft rice". This means your wife is the one with the money and financially suppporting you.
As Red Rock has pointed out, it's nothing to be proud of; in fact it's one of the worse insults guys can hurl at each other. The thinking goes something like this: you are nothing, can't manage to earn your own money, need your wife to support you.
Getting a woman to buy everything for you is nothing to be proud of. In Chinese cultural, it is worse than a girl's getting a sugar dady. It will fine to share your story with us here. If you are living in China, please don't talk loud about it in a public place.
BossLove72
11-23-07, 00:03
Getting a woman to buy everything for you is nothing to be proud of. In Chinese cultural, it is worse than a girl's getting a sugar dady. It will fine to share your story with us here. If you are living in China, please don't talk loud about it in a public place.Firstly, I was talking about Freebies and the statement that Cheap Meat said that nothing is free.
Secondly, I understand that Chinese women sleeping with anyone who they are not married to, especially foreigners, is not all that well accepted either, but hey, it seems to happen.
Thirdly, do you talk about where you get and how to pick up women in a public place? Doesn't seem to be too smart does it? If you do, then I understand your comment.
I never said that I take her up on ALL her offers, but at times I will take some of them.
I could give a hot damn about any of this cultural crap that you and Wadman are stating here, the Chinese have a lot of beliefs and sayings. It is good to know the culture and the history of a people where you are working and living, but don't sit and type to me about what I should and shouldn't do. If that is true, half of the guys here shouldn't be touching any of these women, since they are married. Give me a break! Don't be so self-righteous in a forum talking about how and where to have sex with women!
Getting a woman to buy everything for you is nothing to be proud of. In Chinese cultural, it is worse than a girl's getting a sugar dady. It will fine to share your story with us here. If you are living in China, please don't talk loud about it in a public place.
Why do westen women buy dinner or lunch now? Two reasons and maybe more. They want us western men to know that they are independent and can't be bought for a dinner or lunch. Chinese women want to be more Western and independent too , yet still keep some of that beautiful Chinese culture. They also want to flush some of that 5000 years old culture down the WC.
The woman's lib movement has started in China , same as the woman's lib movement started here is the USA and most of the western world in the 1960's.
Last week , even NBC TV had some reports of the movement. They did interview some Chinese women and they even scared me. Shit , I have to go through this again . They are pissed and sick of the way they are treated ( by Chinese and Western men). All men , period.
In 1949 Mao promised women equal pay and told them that they "Hold up half the sky" , all bull shit, smoke and mirrors and they know it. Now they want the entire sky and more pay than men.
They will shoot themself in the foot like most Western women did in the 60's , 70's and 80's and they still want more today. 85% of American women MUST work to keep the family going , plus have babies , cooking , cleaning and all that shit we men won't do.
If any of us guys are insecure with the power of Chinese woman , it may be time to leave China or not go there at all. The big red ball is rolling now and there is no stopping it.
Read all the sex reports on ISG in the China threads , at least 60 to 70% are negitive. Bad service , attitude problems , not enough money for her service and on and on and on.
You are take care and be safe
tile man
Red Rock II
11-23-07, 01:47
Cheap meat,
It is not a joke to get freebies in China. I believe most of the stories of getting freebies shared by fellow mongers on this board are true stories. I also have a few of my own.
As everybody knows, China has the largest population in the world. It won’t be surprised that China also has the largest women population. You will have better chance to meet a woman that is also interested in getting involved with you intimately. Well, this is not the main reason why it is relatively easier for a foreigner to get a freebie in China.
Chinese are traditionally being conservative as far as sexuality concerned. From movies to novels, it was hardly seen any graphical or verbal descriptions about sexual relations or sexual activities. Sex has been remained as a mystery or a sin for most of men and women for a long time until late 80’s when China opens its door to the rest of the world. Women realize that having sexual desire is part of the human nature and no longer feel shame about it. They start to look for something that will make their life more exciting…
Why it is easier for a foreigner to get their attention?
1. They think foreigners are more open-minded. They won’t be looked down if they are little bit aggressive in bed.
2. Foreigners are less likely to get further involved with them financially or personally.
3. In their mind, most of the foreigners in China are well educated (which is true) and financial independent. They will be treated well. In their words, foreigners are more “gentlemen”.
4. Curiosity.
5. They believe most of foreigners are stronger sexually and physically.
6. If you tell them you are not married and you are interested in finding a Chinese woman to get married, they will be more likely to get involved with you because either they want to marry rich or they want to marry a different and better life.
7. Some of them need a connection to help them or their kids to go abroad.
I am not publishing a research paper here. All I want to do is to give you an encouragement if you are visiting China and interested in finding freebies. Of course, freebies are not completely free. But I wouldn’t think that buying small gifts once in a while, paying the hotel room and inexpensive meal when you two go on a trip or even paying the rent if you two live together as a form of P4P. But if someone is talking about paying nothing or even having them pay you for everything, I think it belongs to a different subject.
Nobody Doe
11-23-07, 03:38
Before I got a freebie myself, I also read a lot of stories about other people got freebies in mainland China. I had my doubts. Then I had got my own freebie too. I didn't even know how I did it. I thought I was just lucky.
She is young, early 20, big tits, very cute, sweet smiles, speaks, reads and writes good English (I do speak Chinese but sometimes we spoke in English in public in order to avoid others to understand what we were talking, and we also wrote text message in English.) She has a boyfriend, but she said they always have arguments. At first she didn't want to betray her boyfriend, but somehow (I didn't know why or how it happened) we french-kissed, she said she just betrayed her boyfriend. Then a few days we met again, we just went directly to a hotel room. I could not believe what was happening, but I just did it.
Actually because I was married, I didn't want to risk freebie (also heard many stories about difficult to get rid of freebies, how freebies would make a threat to your wife, etc.) offered to pay back some small "taxi money", but she all rejected. She told me I shall treat my wife nicely, as I betrayed my wife, and if my wife also did wrong things, then I shall also forgive my wife, as I also did wrong things. She never called me or text me. It's always I took the initiative to call / text her. She never asked for gifts.
It sounds too good to be true, but it just happened...
However, my mongering for P4P didn't stop because of her. Sometimes I asked myself why spent money on WG, if I could have good sex with her for free? The similar question to myself was why I look for P4P or freebies, since I am already married?
I guess the answer is I always wanted to look for the next girl with better-looking, better-tits, better-body, better legs, better skin, better-mind, etc., better than my wife, freebie, previous WG, etc. There is always a new girl out there who's better than all the girls you have screwed.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Mock A Bee
11-23-07, 06:30
Why do westen women buy dinner or lunch now? Two reasons and maybe more. They want us western men to know that they are independent and can't be bought for a dinner or lunch. Chinese women want to be more Western and independent too , yet still keep some of that beautiful Chinese culture. They also want to flush some of that 5000 years old culture down the WC.
tile man
I also think that some women don't want to obligate themselves to their "date" for the evening by paying for dinner, or their half for dinner. This way, she has no "debt" to pay back so to speak if she is not sure about the guy. In this way, she has no obligation to offer physical comfort, and he has no expectation that he will get any snatch that evening.
IMHO
MAB
Blacklisted
11-23-07, 06:32
Just to add to the research on Chinese Women.
Last night was a new one for me.
Background:
Met a girl who was sales manager for a night club in Shanghai. Hot.
She was interested as was I. We danced briefly and I asked for a kiss on the dance floor. Immediately french kissing initiated by her. We both told each other we had partners, although not with us that night.
I was on my way to leave, so grabbed her number and promised to call her again.
I found her extremely hot and just my type, so called a week or so later.
Last Night:
Finally hooked up for a 'date'. She invited me to join dinner at a Pizza Place with her friends. There were 3 guys and 2 girls, including her.
We chatted closely about an hour before she asked where my girlfriend was. I told her at home, where's your BF?
She said that's him right there.
Weird thing was, he was totally cool with me, shaking my hand as I left soon after and she walked me out. I was a bit uncomfortable in a business suit surrounded by 5 very casually dressed 20 something year olds.
On the way out I asked her if we could perhaps next time meet just the 2 of us. She said sure, no problem.
I asked if her BF would be jealous. She said nope, ta hen hao wan de!
Actually at the exit, she even went to kiss me, but I kind of dodged it. Felt a bit wierded out by the whole experience.
Has anyone had an experience like this before??? Surely this is a deep cultural phenomenon that I cannot grasp, although, nonetheless, I have a strong feeling she will be in my bed before long.
I guess you just have to roll with it in this situation, but I fully fail to understand this open type relationship, if that is what it is, in China, with true Chinese (as in, not with different mindset from living in the West).
Love to hear feedback from the experts!
Mock A Bee
11-23-07, 06:39
Dear Cheap Meat,
Don't bother visiting China. The girls are all ugly ass bitches, have bad breath, bad teeth and dark skin because they are farmer's daughters, can't give BJ, won't let you DATY, only do missionary, and will steal all of your money.
Plus they will expect very expensive gifts (daily!), and they all expect you to take them to a very expensive dinner every night, plus drinks at a kick ass night club afterward.
Don't do it! Stay away from China! You will just waste your time and money. All these guys who get freebies are all just lying, they all have to buy their dates for the evening. Nobody in China gets a freebie, honestly.
Stay out of China! The girls are all *****s and bitches who just want take you to the cleaners!
MAB
Red Rock,
I do completely agree with your statement, but would also like to add one more reason (and thus, also add a comment to the DATY discussion going on in the Shanghai thread):
Chinese women do believe Foreigners are more playful then Chinese men. I have met a couple of Chinese girls or women, who were very reluctant to receive DATY, not because they didn't like it, but because they never experienced it before with their Chinese sex partner.
However, I haven't met any woman who didn't like it afterwards, on the contrary, they basically completely went for it later on.
My POV
Levitian
Dan Hawaii
11-23-07, 08:10
Got a question for the wise and the young. Planning on going to CP on February 1 to Feb 7, I got insight from another great senior that it is not a good time to monger 1 week before and 1 week after Chinese New Years, which is on February 7 to 10.
Is it really bad 1 week before, like all the girls go home to families? Or is there still a decent selection, like over 2/3 of the girls still working 7 days prior to Chinese New Years?
Ahhhh, maybe I'll just change my itinerary. :)
Thanks in advance.
Dan Hawaii
11-23-07, 08:13
Red Rock,
I do completely agree with your statement, but would also like to add one more reason (and thus, also add a comment to the DATY discussion going on in the Shanghai thread):
Chinese women do believe Foreigners are more playful then Chinese men. I have met a couple of Chinese girls or women, who were very reluctant to receive DATY, not because they didn't like it, but because they never experienced it before with their Chinese sex partner.
However, I haven't met any woman who didn't like it afterwards, on the contrary, they basically completely went for it later on.
My POV
Levitian
Think of it this way, doesn't the majority of the guys here like BBBJ? BJ is for men as DATY is for women. "If you give it, they will cum". Hahaha:)
SE Asia Joe
11-23-07, 08:27
Got a question for the wise and the young. Planning on going to CP on February 1 to Feb 7, I got insight from another great senior that it is not a good time to monger 1 week before and 1 week after Chinese New Years, which is on February 7 to 10.
Is it really bad 1 week before, like all the girls go home to families? Or is there still a decent selection, like over 2/3 of the girls still working 7 days prior to Chinese New Years?
Ahhhh, maybe I'll just change my itinerary. :)
Thanks in advance.
Definitely NOT a good idea to come to china for mongering before and during the Chinese New Year.
1. Most girls will be going home for the CNY - and those that stays are basically those who have not earned enough (Hmmm.. why... I ask you?).
The gals also know that most of the locals will be quite goody goody during the CNY and will not 'partake' of them - so why stay.
2. Most "Strike Hard campaigns" are conducted before most big festivals and /or government functions. This is when the Cops try to do a bit of clean up and raid a lot of pleasure joints
3. Crime usually spikes up before CNY as those guys who doesn't have enough money and are desperate to go home with $$ and presents for their family will resort to crime.
4. Service levels generally go down slightly as most workers figure that these are his/her last few days before going back home - and he/she may or may not come back to the same job or even stay home. So why bother being hardworking, polite etc.
5. Prices for some goods - especially clothing and other items that are part and parcel of the CNY traditions usually go up before and during CNY
Better idea would be for you to come back a week or so AFTER the CNY - when we should expect a new crop of young and fresh providers. The only thing you gotta put up with is their demands for "Hung Pao" (Lucky money red packets) but a few RMB stuffed into these packets are enough to make anybody very happy. Besides which, the tradition of giving these packets is infused with the idea that it will bring good luck to the giver! So if you want to have good luck.....
SE Asia Joe
Got a question for the wise and the young. Planning on going to CP on February 1 to Feb 7, I got insight from another great senior that it is not a good time to monger 1 week before and 1 week after Chinese New Years, which is on February 7 to 10.
Is it really bad 1 week before, like all the girls go home to families? Or is there still a decent selection, like over 2/3 of the girls still working 7 days prior to Chinese New Years?
Ahhhh, maybe I'll just change my itinerary. :)
Thanks in advance.
Sorry to tell you this, during Chinese New Year, it is a BAD time to travel to China. Most girls go home for Chinese New Year. There are some girls but most of the girl remaining are the one that need to make more money ( less pretty ). Then a lot of the stores and businesses are close for vacation. It more like a 4-5 week dry period for Chinese New Year. I have never been to China during this time but if I had to guess it would be more than half go home. Then traveling around will be very busy with people.
Chinese New Year is a horrible time for any service industry in China. Even getting a foot massage in Shenzhen can be an ordeal, as nobody is from Shenzhen. Last year my friend and I were turned away on several occasions with the comment "sorry, no girls". Restaurants also suffer. This year my Chinese GF and I are going to Europe just to get away from all the bs.
I would guess that most girls will begin going home at the end of January and that things will not improve until March, maybe even April. There is a percentage that will never return, and new girls will fill the pipeline, but it takes time. By April things should be back to normal.
Sorry to tell you this, during Chinese New Year, it is a BAD time to travel to China. Most girls go home for Chinese New Year. There are some girls but most of the girl remaining are the one that need to make more money ( less pretty ). Then a lot of the stores and businesses are close for vacation. It more like a 4-5 week dry period for Chinese New Year. I have never been to China during this time but if I had to guess it would be more than half go home.
It surely is. Imagine Christmas, New Year, Thanksgiving, and maybe Halloween rolled into one. OFFICIALLY, Chinese New Year lasts from Feb 7 through Feb 16th. However, everybody tags on another week, so make that the 23rd. Then everybody wants to avoid the mad travel rush and travel a few days earlier and come back a few days later. So February is pretty much shot. (In Europe, turning the 2.5 Christmas holidays into a two week vacation is an art form with a long tradition. Euro La Wei improved on it by leaving China on Dec 15 and they don't return beore Jan 15. A few weeks later, China falls into CNY paralysis, and the smart Lao Wei does what his business buddies do: Go to Thailand.)
China should be avoided during that time, unless you want to relax totally (if the fireworks don't bother you, which get louder every year and last the whole period.) It will be the cheapest time, because all stores are closed.
Old Mean Dog
11-23-07, 09:27
It surely is. Imagine Christmas, New Year, Thanksgiving, and maybe Halloween rolled into one. OFFICIALLY Chinese New Year lasts from Feb 7 through Feb 16th. However, everybody tags on another week, so make that the 23rd. Then everybody wants to avoid the mad travel rush and travel a few days earlier and come back a few days later. So February ispretty much shot.
China should be avoided during that time, unless you want to relax totally (if the fireworks don't bother you, which get louder every year and last the whole period.)
I was warned about this last year when I was living in Shenzhen, but took a gamble and went to CP anyway. It was one of the best mongering experiences I have had there. Seems most all mongers heeded this warning, but when I went to the shops, they had a nice assortment of girls and I had so many to choose from, I was even doing lineups in the hotel lobby.
Could have just been an isolated incident, but it was a helluva good time with the girls and lots of fun shooting fireworks with the locals. I live here now and will see if it is the same this year.
-CPE
BTW: I wrote detailed reports about my experience, with a few photos, when I was there.
So nice to see this rather then the drivel from CM........
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Dan Hawaii
11-23-07, 10:42
Thanks everyone for their insight on CNY. I forgot it was about that time. Luckily I PMed FastEddie about my travel plans and he metioned CNY. I knew he knows, because he is a very well seasoned multi national mongerer. I think it would be fun, like CPE mentioned, kicking it with the locals to do fireworks, since Hawaii has strict stupid laws on fireworks. People in Cali and many parts of the USA know what I'm talking about. Fireworks would be awesome to play with, ariels, bombs and shit. All the good stuff that costs a ton of money on the blackmarket here in Hawaii. Anyways, CNY sounds fun, but I have been to Vietnam during this time (now fireworks there are illegal also) and was boring as hell. Like everyone said, all the girls are gone and most businesses close during this time. The streets of Ho Chi Minh (Saigon) looked like a ghost town.
Are all the KTVs closed too?????? The last holiday in the beginning of October (forgot the name of the holiday), but I never seen any changes in CP, looked like another busy day in CP. Of course, it is peanuts compared to CNY. As long as the KTVs are open with atleast half of the girls, then I'll be satisfied. BBS are closed too????
What day do they start popping the fireworks????
re: all the girls gone - i don't know, there were rep001tered bbs's open in shanghai last year, and the philippinas on tongren lu were in full force.
but it's the constant, nons-stop, minute-after-minute, hour-after-hour orgy of firecrackers going off that make cny a horrendous deal for me. i'd still leave even if monica sweatheart wanted a peter north shower from me at my apartment. life is short enough - i can't take that wall of noise anymore.
the temple fairs are kind of cool - except for the 23 million other people that want to go to the same fair, at the same time as you.
It is true not to come to CP during Chinese new years. However, I have heard that many of the girls before CNY actually give better service. The reason being is, one of the girls i got from Yalan, told me that most girls spend most of the money they earn throughout the year. But almost all girls go home for Chinese New year. When they go back home, their family expects them to buy them gifts or give them big red envelopes. So many girls before CNY actually work quite hard, and give better service.
In addition, the plus side also is, they get even more girls come into CP willing to work from local factories. So you get fresh girls in the area that you usually don't see as well. They do it for short term to earn some money. So you get to pick from new talent.
Sorry to tell you this, during Chinese New Year, it is a BAD time to travel to China. Most girls go home for Chinese New Year. There are some girls but most of the girl remaining are the one that need to make more money ( less pretty ). Then a lot of the stores and businesses are close for vacation. It more like a 4-5 week dry period for Chinese New Year. I have never been to China during this time but if I had to guess it would be more than half go home.
If you are into fireworks, then China is the place to be. Every CNY is like WWIII ....
Thanks everyone for their insight on CNY. I forgot it was about that time. Luckily I PMed FastEddie about my travel plans and he metioned CNY. I knew he knows, because he is a very well seasoned multi national mongerer. I think it would be fun, like CPE mentioned, kicking it with the locals to do fireworks, since Hawaii has strict stupid laws on fireworks. People in Cali and many parts of the USA know what I'm talking about. Fireworks would be awesome to play with, ariels, bombs and shit. All the good stuff that costs a ton of money on the blackmarket here in Hawaii. Anyways, CNY sounds fun, but I have been to Vietnam during this time (now fireworks there are illegal also) and was boring as hell. Like everyone said, all the girls are gone and most businesses close during this time. The streets of Ho Chi Minh (Saigon) looked like a ghost town.
Are all the KTVs closed too?????? The last holiday in the beginning of October (forgot the name of the holiday), but I never seen any changes in CP, looked like another busy day in CP. Of course, it is peanuts compared to CNY. As long as the KTVs are open with atleast half of the girls, then I'll be satisfied. BBS are closed too????
What day do they start popping the fireworks????
Albert Punter
11-24-07, 15:58
My good friend, surely I am not an expert and I would be puzzled by such a situation.
However, only thing I can tell you is that I would have fucked her first night, without missing the opportunity.
Probably you have lost momentum ..... and now are involved in pizza parties with her BF. Hehe ....
Anyhow, enjoy and take care, always
Just to add to the research on Chinese Women.
Last night was a new one for me.
Background:
Met a girl who was sales manager for a night club in Shanghai. Hot.
She was interested as was I. We danced briefly and I asked for a kiss on the dance floor. Immediately french kissing initiated by her. We both told each other we had partners, although not with us that night.
I was on my way to leave, so grabbed her number and promised to call her again.
I found her extremely hot and just my type, so called a week or so later.
Last Night:
Finally hooked up for a 'date'. She invited me to join dinner at a Pizza Place with her friends. There were 3 guys and 2 girls, including her.
We chatted closely about an hour before she asked where my girlfriend was. I told her at home, where's your BF?
She said that's him right there.
Weird thing was, he was totally cool with me, shaking my hand as I left soon after and she walked me out. I was a bit uncomfortable in a business suit surrounded by 5 very casually dressed 20 something year olds.
On the way out I asked her if we could perhaps next time meet just the 2 of us. She said sure, no problem.
I asked if her BF would be jealous. She said nope, ta hen hao wan de!
Actually at the exit, she even went to kiss me, but I kind of dodged it. Felt a bit wierded out by the whole experience.
Has anyone had an experience like this before??? Surely this is a deep cultural phenomenon that I cannot grasp, although, nonetheless, I have a strong feeling she will be in my bed before long.
I guess you just have to roll with it in this situation, but I fully fail to understand this open type relationship, if that is what it is, in China, with true Chinese (as in, not with different mindset from living in the West).
Love to hear feedback from the experts!
Chocha Monger
11-24-07, 17:57
Blacklisted,
She's probably a swinger and the BF gets to do other chicks hence the lack of jealousy.
Blacklisted,
She's probably a swinger and the BF gets to do other chicks hence the lack of jealousy.
Or he's a cuckold and LOVES it when his GF gets done by other guys ...
Blacklisted,
She's probably a swinger and the BF gets to do other chicks hence the lack of jealousy.This is the new face of China, and it is a direct result of western influences. I would be very careful as this could be the type of woman who could go "postal" on you. Do they sell "Fatal Attraction" in the Chinese DVD markets?
OldAsiaHand
11-25-07, 04:13
IMHO, it is the worst time for mongering during the year. However, if you are a culture freak, it can be an enjoyable experience to celebrate in China. For me, "been there, done that a few times". Now, I leave the country every year.
You only need to give out red bags if you are married with children. Otherwise, there is no obligation. As a foreigner, it can get a bit bothersome since everybody has their hand out whether you know them or not. It may be the "all foreigners are filthy rich" theory. But, as SE Asia Joe posted, it is only small money, makes the recepient very happy and brings you good luck.
Just my POV.
OAH
Got a question for the wise and the young. Planning on going to CP on February 1 to Feb 7, I got insight from another great senior that it is not a good time to monger 1 week before and 1 week after Chinese New Years, which is on February 7 to 10.
Is it really bad 1 week before, like all the girls go home to families? Or is there still a decent selection, like over 2/3 of the girls still working 7 days prior to Chinese New Years?
Ahhhh, maybe I'll just change my itinerary. :)
Thanks in advance.
OldAsiaHand
11-25-07, 04:36
Any suggestions how to find more freebies without obligation?
I find that my chances go way down (<10%) once the potential freebie is aware of my marital status. Case in point last week. I met a girl at a business function and offered her a ride. We stopped by a wine bar/restaurant and I proceeded to get her drunk. Successful at that, we headed down for a walk along the river. Things were going pretty well; DFK, heavy petting, grinding her pussy against me, etc. However, every few minutes she kept asking if I was married. I was evasive and kept moving in. Back in the car, we drove by a couple of hotels. When I asked her if she wanted to check-in, she went cold on me and asked me to send her home. What did I do wrong? I reckon if I had my own place it would have been slam dunk, however, when I suggested the hotel, she knew I could not take her to my place. Next day, she asked some of my business associates about my marital status and I have not heard from her since. I tried to call her a couple of times, but she does not answer or reply to my SMS.
I know some guys manage to find married women as freebies. Is there any risk that the husband will find out and take revenge on you? I also feel a bit uncomfortable doing another man's woman, even if I do not know him. Too traditional? I only did one married woman whose husband was living in another city.
Most of the freebies I run into are looking for something more than just sex and it takes more time than I want to invest to score even if they can accept that I am married which is very rarely the case. I did one car salesgirl in SZ that told me she never asks those type of questions. Where can I find more of these?
Unfortunately, I do not have the time or freedom to use the internet.
I would be grateful for any suggestions from the more successful members of this forum.
Thanks.
OAH
Any suggestions how to find more freebies without obligation?
Unfortunately, I do not have the time or freedom to use the internet.
I would be grateful for any suggestions from the more successful members of this forum.
Thanks.
OAH
OAH I would love to help, but I only use internet so my techniques will not work for you.
ES
Any suggestions how to find more freebies without obligation?
You have to find someone either young, or old. It's the ones in between that are hard to get. Girls around 18-20 (ones not living with family) are usually not really looking for marriage yet, so a non-committal relationship is ok with them. A lot of them are just starting to feel their independence and are willing to experiment a little. Women around 30+ are usually married already or have a "been there done that" attitude and again, a non-committed relationship is perfectly acceptable to them. It's the girls who are in between that are the hardest to get because they're in the market, so to speak, for a situation that could lead to marriage or something similar.
EDIT: Here's a little something from the girl's side. I know a girl who arrived in SZ at 18 years old. She quickly became some older guy's mistress. The guy was loaded and married and would only spend like 1-2 days out of the week with her, but give her a pretty good allowance. Inevitably, she would get bored by herself and go out to discos and pick up guys to sleep with. She reckons over the 3 years she was with the older guy, she picked up at least 50 guys. She's not sure, she says she lost track somewhere in the 40s. Personally, I think if a girl is admitting to sleeping with 50 guys, she must have slept with more. Anyway, she's with another guy now and she's about 24. She says she wouldn't do that kind of thing anymore. She's in the mood to settle down and she no longer has wild oats to sow. I think this is a typical story in SZ and I think there a lot of girls like this around.
Albert Punter
11-25-07, 11:44
I can't be of much help either as my hunting is done almost entirely through internet.
However, I can tell you that my marital status it doesn't seem to be a deterrent for girls. As already said in some other occasion I never lie to girls I come in contact with: so from beginning it is clear my marital status and real purpose of my search.
Almosts all of them continue to chat and later accept a date and accept invitation to my place, if things move in right way and chemistry creates (however, I am not a bad guy who f**k girls after drunking them ... - obviously joking).
Maybe big part of girls I met are among those mentioned by Moody who don't care about a husband but only want to have fun, and maybe the opportunity to go to nice restaurants or nice clubs without paying for the bill.
Hi, a question: Since a couple of days I am communicating via QQ with a person who professes to be a Chinese top model. Google searches for her name give numerous results to fashion shows and the like. Today I communicated with her via webcam and she looked like the real thing, sitting in her apartment in front of a computer typing (could be some computer trick, playing some video of that girl sitting in front of a computer?).
Is this believable? Or is it all a fake? Has anybody of you had similar experiences? Please send me a private message in case you have encountered something similar, to let me know whether I have fallen to a fraud. She says I could come visit her next summer when I'm in Beijing, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see, in case she's still interested in meeting up then.
What strikes me as odd is that she seems to be on the internet for hours on end, so all in all appears like a fake to me, probably "she" will start asking for money soon or some trick like that.
Does anybody know how much such girls earn in China, btw?
I have one more question: Since all I really have is her QQ number, is there any way to find out, whether this is her real QQ number or some imposter? As I wrote, the real girl is quite well known, e.g. has been reported on in "China Daily" and similar publications.
Since http://lady.qq.com also did an interview with her, maybe I should contact them and ask?
Dan Hawaii
11-25-07, 21:38
Hi, a question: Since a couple of days I am communicating via QQ with a person who professes to be a Chinese top model. Google searches for her name give numerous results to fashion shows and the like. Today I communicated with her via webcam and she looked like the real thing, sitting in her apartment in front of a computer typing (could be some computer trick, playing some video of that girl sitting in front of a computer?).
Is this believable? Or is it all a fake? Has anybody of you had similar experiences? Please send me a private message in case you have encountered something similar, to let me know whether I have fallen to a fraud. She says I could come visit her next summer when I'm in Beijing, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see, in case she's still interested in meeting up then.
What strikes me as odd is that she seems to be on the internet for hours on end, so all in all appears like a fake to me, probably "she" will start asking for money soon or some trick like that.
Does anybody know how much such girls earn in China, btw?
While you are chatting with her via web cam, why don't you ask her to do something unique, like stick middle finger or moon you. :)
Models in Asia do not make that much money. Unless they are international models. Not sure how much they make, but I'm sure most of them make less than above average KTV girls.
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