China Women - Opinions and Advice

[Santa]

We have heard horror stories. We all have them, mine are real doosies too. Being raided by the police, being framed and set up by the local Dongbei gang. I could go on and on.....

anyone have a good story they want to share? show off? strut in front of us? comeon folks, lets hear some to the happy stories for a change now.

I'll start you off with a good one.

I took a girl to my room and then discovered she had a cold. She kept snorting the snot back up her nose. I offered her some tissue but she insisted she didn't need it. I took a tissue and blew my nose with it and threw it in the basket, so she would understand what I wanted her to do, and then offered her a tissue. Again, she insisted she didn't need it. Then she snorted the snot down her throat, coughed it up into her mouth and spat a great big green gob onto my carpet.

So she was right, she didn't need a tissue. Silly me!

[Tile Man4]

Haha, you can become my client (for a fee of course) and judge all the photos yourself. Otherwise, I will never post any photos of my clients on ISG. I also refuse to post a photo of any girl on ISG since some asshole member told a freebie I did that I had put her photo here, guess he knew her and she was quite upset, to say the least.

Sorry bro, gonna have to take my word that I see a lot of ladies.

-CPE

I do remember CPE's story about pic's several months ago. I also feel that any pic that I post may one day........ bite me or her in the ass.

Your pic's are great Eagle and I don't agree or disagree with the pic forum. Its just not fo me. But my Eagle brother or anyone else can PM me for my free pussy pic. I must warn you , my pic's are boring , I don't ask or bother to take naked pictures with my women.


take care and be safe

tile man

[Wapec]

Santa & Rag

I'll follow up with the second. Next Santa sends me a text to go to his room and bring lube! Get the fuck outta here.

My rep is gone into negative territory so I'll share a third. Choose a gal from one of the meat wagons. Promises the world. I confirm the deal both the Mommie and the Baby (who is over 18yrs) for RmB 150 all in including BBBJ and FS. Anyway, get Baby alone and the charm goes off. Doesn't wash, nether regions smell like last week's fish catch, looks at my dick and points to her mouth "tong tong" (don't ask me how? Maybe she had a headache. I'd have slapped her with my dick except it would've hurt me more), she shoves her ass in the air and tries to reverse back onto my dick but its like the Sahara and Gobi desert combined, try to get her to use some lube (wo you pa you pa bu xing) etc.

I'm getting frustrated now. Good thing I'm a non-violent pacifist. Out with the baby oil, squirt the limp lizbit and take her hand to wank me off to get it over with (I know I'm paying either way as she is in the room already and don't want her to leave empty handed). Pop goes the weasel. She asks for 200% more than agreed plus a gratuity. Am I a registered charity? Is she? I pay her as agreed and threaten to call the Mommie. Baby storms outta the room leaving the door open and me standing starkers at 4am as the Hotel service wagon passes by. Oh well there ya go pig in the city.

Yeah and that was just this weekend!

Wapec


I'll start you off with a good one.

I took a girl to my room and then discovered she had a cold. She kept snorting the snot back up her nose. I offered her some tissue but she insisted she didn't need it. I took a tissue and blew my nose with it and threw it in the basket, so she would understand what I wanted her to do, and then offered her a tissue. Again, she insisted she didn't need it. Then she snorted the snot down her throat, coughed it up into her mouth and spat a great big green gob onto my carpet.

So she was right, she didn't need a tissue. Silly me!

[Bnlee2]

I'll start you off with a good one.

I took a girl to my room and then discovered she had a cold. She kept snorting the snot back up her nose. I offered her some tissue but she insisted she didn't need it. I took a tissue and blew my nose with it and threw it in the basket, so she would understand what I wanted her to do, and then offered her a tissue. Again, she insisted she didn't need it. Then she snorted the snot down her throat, coughed it up into her mouth and spat a great big green gob onto my carpet.

So she was right, she didn't need a tissue. Silly me!

Santa.

You are even luckier than you ever imagine. Just imagine that she was blowing you and she started coughing up the phlem and it landed on the head of your didi..

bless that did not happen.

[Ragnarok42]

I'll start you off with a good one.

I took a girl to my room and then discovered she had a cold. She kept snorting the snot back up her nose. I offered her some tissue but she insisted she didn't need it. I took a tissue and blew my nose with it and threw it in the basket, so she would understand what I wanted her to do, and then offered her a tissue. Again, she insisted she didn't need it. Then she snorted the snot down her throat, coughed it up into her mouth and spat a great big green gob onto my carpet.

So she was right, she didn't need a tissue. Silly me!

Geez that is disgusting, revolting and oddly familiar...
And you let the mouth give you a BBBJ? Hell, my girl last night had a slight cold but all she wanted was for me to hold her tight before, during and after sex. And she was wet as hell, maybe all the fluids in her body were called away to someplace more important than her nose :-)

[Old Mean Dog]

We have heard horror stories. We all have them, mine are real doosies too. Being raided by the police, being framed and set up by the local Dongbei gang. I could go on and on.....

anyone have a good story they want to share? show off? strut in front of us? comeon folks, lets hear some to the happy stories for a change now.

I once walked in on a xiaojie in my hotel room thinking she was taking a shower, the water was running, only to find her perched up on the toilet taking a crap. It smelled so bad, I wanted to puke.

I insisted she use both bottles of liquid soap on her stank ass!

I still think my wingman's story of a worm wiggling out of a girls ass as he was doing here doggy still takes the cake as one of the most revolting stories I have ever heard.

There was this one time at band camp.....

-CPE

[Ragnarok42]

I still think my wingman's story of a worm wiggling out of a girls ass as he was doing here doggy still takes the cake as one of the most revolting stories I have ever heard.

That is the most revolting, vile, disgusting, apalling, awful, distasteful, foul, god-awful, gross, horrible, loathsome, nasty, nauseating, obscene, offensive, repugnant, rotten, detestable, wretched (running out of adjectives here) story I have ever heard. Sounds so bad it should be an urban myth.

[Santa]

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]Geez that is disgusting, revolting and oddly familiar...
And you let the mouth give you a BBBJ? QUOTE]

Well, no, but the story does have a happy ending, as you requested.

I called Bill and told him what had just happened in my room. We both agreed that her and the mommy would not accept spitting as reasonable grounds for breach of contract. He then talked to this mountain chicken (shan ji) and explained that I did not want to catch her cold. He negotiated the price down some and I paid her to leave.

Bill and this mountain bumpkin know the same dialect. So now we all know about Bill's roots, nudge-nudge. :D

Well, imagine the joy and excitement when our little hillbilly goes home to her mountain village and tells her happy parents the good news. She is now making big bucks in the city by depositing slimy microbial globs onto rich guys carpets. It's amazing what those city folks will pay for.

Those proud parents will have a happy new year!

[SE Asia Joe]

[QUOTE=Ragnarok42]Geez that is disgusting, revolting and oddly familiar...
And you let the mouth give you a BBBJ? QUOTE]

Well, no, but the story does have a happy ending, as you requested.

!
Yeah - at least you didn't have to endure papaya tits and rolls of fat. Terrible this cold weather - Bulky clothing and a pretty face to lull one into picking ugly bodies. Yes Santa, there really ARE ugly bodies - even in China!
SE Asia Joe

[Zhuren]

I still think my wingman's story of a worm wiggling out of a girls ass as he was doing here doggy still takes the cake as one of the most revolting stories I have ever heard.



Stop! Agree it takes the cake. Please no more, or I'll enlist in a monestary.

[Ragnarok42]

Stop! Agree it takes the cake. Please no more, or I'll enlist in a monestary.

Amen to that,
I think we have heard enough horror stories. Lets get back to talking about the beautiful girls and GFE stories.

[Tuscan Man]

The other day a girl comes over to my place its around 6:30 pm. She is not a girlfriend but one of my regular visitors. She told me that her Taiwanese boyfriend is in town and she took 5 days off from the ktv to accompany him. So tonight she says the guy is at a business dinner and she told the guy that she will have dinner with her girlfriends. So we are on the sofa and she has her hand stroking my xiao didi and she gets a call from the guy, says he will be done around 8 pm. She says in a sad voice she really misses the guy and that she is bored with her girlfriends and can’t wait to be together again with him. All the while I am fondling her breasts and she is playing with my xiao didi. Earlier in the day the guy bought her a new cell phone and he is probably thinking he has this babe locked up and she is paying total attention to him for the 5 days he is in town. She is out of this guys site for a few hours and she is off banging some other guy (me or whomever).

Just goes to show you no matter what these girls tell you and no matter how convincing it can feel.. Just a reminder its all b.s. just a game. Don’t get overly caught up, play it well on your side!

[RickyMonger]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28

[SE Asia Joe]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28
Prediction? Welll.... and please do not get too pissed off.... before I go about making predictions.. howzabout providing me with your wife's/your Shanghai apartment's phone numbers? Also, if you could also provide me with the exact days when you are going to be in each location..
Hmmmm.... I wonder how many others here is thinking the same thing?!

In other words - WTF is this "split" living arrangement? Look-it young man - put your foot down - You ARE the husband and bread providor. You get her ass to accompany you WHEREVER you are! I'm not saying that you have to be Lord and Master, but its nonsense that you guys have to live apart - especially since all she does is go to EF (whatever that is ) school.
SE asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

Prediction? Welll.... and please do not get too pissed off.... before I go about making predictions.. howzabout providing me with your wife's/your Shanghai apartment's phone numbers? Also, if you could also provide me with the exact days when you are going to be in each location..
Hmmmm.... I wonder how many others here is thinking the same thing?!

In other words - WTF is this "split" living arrangement? Look-it young man - put your foot down - You ARE the husband and bread providor. You get her ass to accompany you WHEREVER you are! I'm not saying that you have to be Lord and Master, but its nonsense that you guys have to live apart - especially since all she does is go to EF (whatever that is ) school.
SE asia Joe

If your asking mongers WTF is up, then I agree with Joe. Almost sounds like your marriage ain't about love! If she is hot/doable and just going to English School everyday while your living somewhere else, eyeballing the candy (why else you on ISG??) then this shit ain't gonna last, because while you are banging xiaojies, she's getting it on with some white boy English teacher. I would have her closer to you, at least for the first year or two of your marriage..

When the cats gone, the mice come out to play.

My PoV,
-CPE

[Ragnarok42]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28

Do we need to be geniuses to figure this one out? The brothers before me have already given you the future...

My advice, get all your finances protected before she takes you to the bank and demands 50%.

[Levitian]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28

Are you away this afternoon? Then this add might have been placed by her:
http://shanghai.craigslist.com.cn/cas/559018847.html
Plaisanteries mises a cote, I think she is all but excited to move to Cixi, right?!

Levitian

[Bnlee2]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28

Keep on doing what you are doing. I just loves bangin the young beautiful married one where the husband is always out of town. Just keep on doing what you are doing and we will both be okay.

I lovem married....hee...hee....

The problem in china is not cheap...pus$y but all these nice attached freebies.. Im up in Shanghai atleast several times a year. Maybe i will run into her one of these days. If you could PM me with her mobile number, i will check her out. :>). I hope she is a "white tiger". i lovem smooth. if not introduce her to it.

[Santa]

Well, the truth is, we don't know you or this girl, so we really don't know. What the brothers have said here is just their calculated opinions.

It looks like, you also think there is a problem. Otherwise, why would you be posting your question on a monger's forum?

[SE Asia Joe]

well, the truth is, we don't know you or this girl, so we really don't know. what the brothers have said here is just their calculated opinions.

it looks like, you also think there is a problem. otherwise, why would you be posting your question on a monger's forum?
damn - i just read all of ricky-s previous postings and figure out that this guy is for real and his question is for real. and now i'm sort of feeling badly for having sort of taken the mick out of him.
ricky - (and i'm not joshing you/being serious here) - i really do think that you're making a helluva big mistake. there is just no way that anything good can come about from your present arrangement. and the big question - why is it absolutely necessary for her to live in shanghai whilst you slave away in xixi or wherever you are. if she is a good woman (you gotta make her a good woman!) she would/should be by your side instead of lounging around in shanghai and once a while going to english lessons etc.
ok, you may not have as much money as you did before - but whatever you are worth/making now i can presume is a helluva lot more than the average joe in china - and as such, you do still have the upeer hand economically w/your wife. you must exercise this economical superiority to train/control and teach your wife on how to be a good wife. i am not talking about slave and master - but am talking about equality in marriage; and equality means that she gotta slave away the same way you are and at the same place you are. and not having to afford 2 different places, travelling costs, separate more expensive meals etc.
come on man - wake up!
se asia joe

[Hainanien]

I found a bit of humor reading Tuscon mans report, then reading yours right after it Ricky. Somehow, I see a connection between the two reports.

[Old Mean Dog]

She had a few western Bf before.

This is the icing on the cake for me. She has laowai fever, if you gone all the time, she might be getting it from another monger on those cold nights up in SH. Dude, snatch her ass up, she is your wife, keep her on a real close leash.

-CPE

[Tile Man4]

Ok I am new in China, just married last month. I live in Cixi for about 10 -14 days then head back to my Chinese wife in Shanghai for 5 days of R & R then back to work and so on. I have an apartment in Cixi and she has one in Shanghai. She goes to EF school most days and I work my arse off. She worked in retail and had a few western Bf before.

Like to get your predictions?

Me 47 she 28

Ricky , you did not really say much about your new wife , so you left yourself wide open for negitive and positive remarks. So I have to assume too much here and guess. So out of respect I won't direct my comments to you and your wife. I will talk in general about these fast internet loves and the fast shot-gun wedding. In most cases they don't work.

1) If woman has more than one cell phone. (your fucked)

2) If woman acts and dresses like a WG. (your fucked again)

3) Woman worked in retail ? Ask woman for her pay stubs , if she studders. (your fucked again) . Most WG's lie about their real work.

4) If woman is always talking and texing on cell phone. (your fucked again) woman only needs you now and maybe talk to mommie once a day. That's it , no more.
Tell her that you want to buy her a new cell phone. SIMS card and all. If she balks about SIMS card. (your fucked again). This is her fuck card , not SIMS card. Tell her your jealous and you love her and this is why you want new cell phone. Loyal Chinese women love her man to be jealous and only love her. You should expect the same from her.

5) Woman going to English school? If woman English does not improve , I would visit this school. Many woman have a mini school called their side BF's house. I call this a mini *****house. (your fucked again)

6) Joe was right about about when your out of town. Joe speaks Chinese and would maybe be in a Western's man's 28 year old wife pussy in about 1 hour , when hubby is out of town. I only speak a little Chinese , so it may take me 2 hours.

7) Tell her that you like the quite life when you come home to her. So lets move to the farm area and grow tomatoes and chickens. Like we say in the USA, keep your wife barefooted , pregnant and living at the edge of town. (If she balks again , your fucked again)

I could go on and on with this post , maybe up to #50 with all the shit that I know , heard and experienced myself. So I will let others continue after my #7.

My man , I hope you have a loyal one and you will be happy. But most long distant relationships don't work (some work but not all) . I see on TV that 70% of USA woman are cheating on their husband fighting in Iraq. Women are women when the cat is away.

I wish you the best and I hope others will continue with my 7 (positive and negitive). Don't take this report personal or dis-respectful towards you or your new wife. This report is for all the men who get involved in these fast shot-gun marriages to Asian women.

Chinese woman will email men 4 times , say I love you after 2nd email , you fly into China and they will marry you in 2 fucking days. These men have their trophy wife and she has her sugar daddy.

You 47 , she 28. No problem now but will she wipe your ass 20 years from now if you are sick? When I think about marriage , I think the long term. You may be thinking the short term (about 6 inches).

Good luck , be safe and take care.


tile man

[Zhuren]

Poor Ricky.

But the boys (except for the ones who want to nail her while you are outta town) are probably right. Tile Man's "7 reasons why you are fucked - and not in the biblical sense" deserve the most attention.

Recommendation: Put your foot down. Order her to pack up.

Move her to the sticks in Cixi, get a nice waterfront property overlooking the bay, and put her on a tight leash. She's your wife, for crying out loud. If she balks, divorce her now.

In my (Japanese) wife's wedding ring, there is an inscription that reads "Tsuite koi." That's "Follow me" in Japanese.

[RickyMonger]

All those reports have me trembling... well maybe #58 at the local massage will fix me again tonight, back in Shanghai tomorrow for two weeks. I sort of like the short distance thing, you know how woman around all the time can get on your nerves, but we guys just want the house and our dicks cleaned when we want. Well I reckon at the moment even if she is fucken someone else as I am that is even. I love her and she says she loves me, so when we are together we make the most of it, it's certainly better than the previous 17 years and a lot cheaper.

Cheers and have a great new year.

[ABCinLA]

Interesting what you said that "we're even" if each of us are getting some additional sex outside of the marriage. But at the same time you really love her. In my personal experience you're not gonna know how you really "feel" about it until you find out if its true or not. Plus you left us with a previous impression that you've given alot of money to her family since your marriage. So is it really cheaper? But anyway whenever I find out a so called girlfriend is having sex with someone else I got extremely devastated more so than I could imagined. Get ready for a possible emotional wild ride.


All those reports have me trembling... well maybe #58 at the local massage will fix me again tonight, back in Shanghai tomorrow for two weeks. I sort of like the short distance thing, you know how woman around all the time can get on your nerves, but we guys just want the house and our dicks cleaned when we want. Well I reckon at the moment even if she is fucken someone else as I am that is even. I love her and she says she loves me, so when we are together we make the most of it, it's certainly better than the previous 17 years and a lot cheaper.

Cheers and have a great new year.

[SE Asia Joe]

Interesting what you said that "we're even" if each of us are getting some additional sex outside of the marriage. But at the same time you really love her. In my personal experience you're not gonna know how you really "feel" about it until you find out if its true or not. Plus you left us with a previous impression that you've given alot of money to her family since your marriage. So is it really cheaper? But anyway whenever I find out a so called girlfriend is having sex with someone else I got extremely devastated more so than I could imagined. Get ready for a possible emotional wild ride.
DITTO - and good luck.
I think most of us here thinks you're being an idiot and would really like for you to really wake up and smell the coffee
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

All those reports have me trembling... well maybe #58 at the local massage will fix me again tonight, back in Shanghai tomorrow for two weeks. I sort of like the short distance thing, you know how woman around all the time can get on your nerves, but we guys just want the house and our dicks cleaned when we want. Well I reckon at the moment even if she is fucken someone else as I am that is even. I love her and she says she loves me, so when we are together we make the most of it, it's certainly better than the previous 17 years and a lot cheaper.

Cheers and have a great new year.

This, I do not understand. If you two are "getting even" on each other, then why get married in the first place?

Well, best of luck. I will be expecting your "Why did she take me to the cleaners and run off with the 22 year old English Teacher?" post in the near future.

-CPE

[Red Rock II]

Richy,

First, you complain about she asked you to send too much money to her family. Then you worried about what was going to happen when you two live apart. Now you are saying it will be fine if she is seeing someone else as long as you do the same. And all those time, you keep saying that you love her and you believe that she loves you too. I got really confused. I wouldn’t love anyone that I don’t even trust. Well, don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean that you have to love her to be with her. In my eyes, you don’t love her. You just feel lucky to marry someone that is almost 20 years younger than you. You just glad that you will have a young chick to be with when you are back to SH. If that is the way you feel about her, please treat her that way. Otherwise, you fuck up!

[Zhuren]

What I don't like is people who are stuck, who beg for advice, get it, don't take it, and say they've been fine all along.

There's a 12 step program for that. It's called AA.

[OldAsiaHand]

RickyMonger,

All these guys seem to be looking at only the negatives and worst case scenarios.

It is very common in China for a husband and wife to live separately for extended periods of time for work purposes. Some of them only see each other 1-2 times per year. So, your 10-14 day stretches are nothing. I have been to Cixi and can understand why your wife would not want to stay there. It is a dump and there would be nothing for her to do.

I have a similar set of circumstances. My Chinese wife is 16 years younger than I am. I also travel a lot for extended periods of time. There were times when I suspected her of having an affair (she also gets a lot of calls and SMS), but I think I was just paranoid because of the age difference. At the end of the day, you need to trust your wife and she you. That said, I am fairly certain that my wife knows that I monger, but we never discuss the subject. She would be concerned if I had a long term G/F since this would be a risk of her security.

You are newly married and I suspect still madly in love. IMHO, this feeling will fade somewhat over the years to come, especially if you start a family with her. However, children will reinforce the security for your wife.

Regarding, the money for the family at CNY, this is normal as I posted before. I give it to my in-laws every year. Beyond that, there should be no more requests to send money home.

You will be expected to pay the household expenses (in Shanghai it is very common for a husband to give his whole salary to his wife) whether it be for one or two places. If she wants to buy a lot of stuff for herself, tell her to get a job. I only buy my wife small gifts from time to time. She buys everything else for herself.

Finally, if your wife is satisfied with a life of just sitting around all the time doing nothing, I reckon you do have a problem. Suggest that she find something constructive to do when you are gone to occupy her time; a job or some business in order to earn some money for extras. I think both she and her will be happier with this arrangement.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Blacklisted]

Exceptionally well put my friend. Advice seconded!

[Guybert56]

Well, after 6 months of the cold shoulder and no communications of any sort save for yes no answers to questions concerning work, I got a call out of the blue asking if I still 'trusted her' and that she had a serious problem she wanted to discuss, face to face. I was due to go to that plant last week but thankfully the snow grounded my flight. So, anyway, I managed to talk to her to find that now she wants to borrow 90, 000RMB to help her with a housing issue! That woman has bigger balls than I have ever had! Naturally I declined. Just proved my intuitions about her original motives to be true. Now, I have deleted every number and every thought of her! So I guess her request was a blessing in disguise. I told her to ask for a company advance and talked to the GM for the area suggesting she might be considered as she is a highly talented project manager.


Guybert56,

You sound like a jaded lover. True, you spent about $500 per pop on that pussy, a very pricey adventure but you were the one making all the moves on this woman. She did nothing except passively allow you to have your way with her. Please don’t lie to yourself about your intentions to screw her pussy to shreds from day one. You knew what you wanted when you offered to help yourself and you got it, your first piece of Chinese pussy and your first real BBBJCIM, swallow with a smile and an “I love you” at the end. So, why is there a hint of bitterness? You say that a part of you loves this woman. Which part is that exactly? Perhaps, it is your cock? All too often loving someone is a euphemism for possessing them for one’s sole pleasure. In order to grow as a monger you’ll have to cast off the desire to possess women and realize that relationships are seldom more than an exchange of resources.

Yes. This woman suddenly ended the relationship. She may have had any number of reasons including the realization that you were not going to leave your wife to be with her; she may have found someone more suitable for her needs over the long term; or her job might have become at risk due to her relationship with you. Anyway, she did you a favor by cutting off the relationship. Think of the following alternative endings to your story:
1. The relationship continued and your wife caught you fucking around.
2. The relationship continued and you impregnated your Chinese lover.
3. You grew weary of buying her gifts and tried to end the relationship. She becomes angry and informs your wife of the hot hotel fuck sessions.
4. She decided that your offers to help her were inappropriate and reports your behavior to the relevant authorities. Your company terminates you immediately.
5. She convinced you to leave your wife and marry her. Then a few years later she divorces your ass taking you for all you’re worth.

Therefore, beside the bruise to your ego the only real harm done was to your wallet. It was easier for her to end the relationship by refusing to speak to you because the risk existed that the smoldering embers could once again flare up into full blow fuck sessions eventually spiraling into a messy break-up. Some women try to avoid the theatrics by quitting your cock cold turkey and this is usually for the best. You were rash in confiding the affair to her immediate supervisor, by doing so you placed her at risk along with yourself.

I wish you the best of luck in your future adventures and hope that you don’t get so caught up in the emotion next time. Once you’ve sampled some other Chinese pussies you will wonder why you acted so crazy. Of course, the answer is obvious to all mongers. You spent your entire life fucking one pussy and once you got your cock in another hole you naturally went out of control. The joy was overwhelming to your senses.

[One Wing Low]

Among the uneducated and skilless xiaojies, the pressure to survive day to day is so great that they would resort to any tricks to survive the next day. You just have to forgive them for their desparate cirscumstances.

The young, educated, professional Chinese girls whom I've known, seem to value relationships above money or material things. It's very hard to attract them with just money. They tend to prefer love and commitment to just money.

Most of the professional girls I know are loyal and unlikely to jump into bed with just anyone.

Of course it's my impressions. I could be wrong.

[Clean Gene]

... Chinese girls whom I've known, seem to value relationships... They tend to prefer love and commitment to just money.

Most of the professional girls I know are loyal and unlikely to jump into bed with just ...


I tend to agree with One Wing Low. Most Chinese girls I know value loyalty and straightness. (I try never to tell a falsehood.) And I value loyalty and straightness in them.

When I suspect disloyalty or deviousness, I check up on them. I have rarely found grounds. I believe there are lots of good, hardworking, honest people in China. And the "screwing around" factor is overblown.

CG

[Old Mean Dog]

Among the uneducated and skilless xiaojies, the pressure to survive day to day is so great that they would resort to any tricks to survive the next day. You just have to forgive them for their desparate cirscumstances.

The young, educated, professional Chinese girls whom I've known, seem to value relationships above money or material things. It's very hard to attract them with just money. They tend to prefer love and commitment to just money.

Most of the professional girls I know are loyal and unlikely to jump into bed with just anyone.

Of course it's my impressions. I could be wrong.

I also agree that there are many, many good people in China.

I do not feel sorry for the xiaojie though, because she is "trapped" in the situation. Maybe some are, but the majority do it with free will. They are lured to South China with the idea of making money and the city of Shenzhen which is made of gold, only to realize money don't grow on trees here and her dream of a high paying job is shot down when she is standing in line with 100's of college educated, English speaking candidates.

She works in a factory or a restaurant making 800 rmb a month, living in a room with 3-5 other girls and punching in 12 hour shifts, many decide to jet real fast and some find their way into prostitution. The lure of quick cash from turning a trick, sleep till they want, staying up all night....it's an easy and much more profitable lifestyle for those that can accept selling their bodies.

I tried to turn one once, but she had here mind set, when she obtained 10,000 rmb, in the bank, she would quit and go home to Xi'an. Took her a couple of years, but she got there and sent me a message the day she left saying goodbye and I wished her good luck. I really liked that girl, tough as nails, even if she did what she did.

Got a message a few days ago from her, she is coming back to the business, life is dull in Xi'an (not to mention cold) and she misses the money and the lifestyle. Shes only been gone 3 months.

I also know many upper class gals in my line of work. Most all are college educated and many have good jobs, but I don't trust these money grubbing, gold-diggers any further than I can throw them. It's all about status and moving up the food chain for them. Many will sleep with the ones that can give them the better life and move from man to man as fast as a football player does in the NFL.....no loyality what so ever.

I know a college educated, fluent English speaking gal in Guangzhou, got a good job too. She's got a Hong Kong boyfriend, a French boyfriend and an American boyfriend and none of them even know each other. She just puts the HK guy on ice when the French or American guy comes over. She has a super nice apartment, new car and wears designer clothes, none of which she paid for. She is not unique, I know others just like her...

Here's an article:

http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2007-12/26/content_13665.htm

I guess what I'm trying to say from my experience is; They choose their life and partner based on their own personal desires, same as us, but love needs to be more than "just" love with the girls I have met in South China. Just because she is a xiaojie does not mean she can't become a loyal and faithful partner, just as some educated girls fuck around more than the *****s.

China ain't America, Germany, France or wherever. China is China and it's a whole different world here. Everything is different from the culture on down. I remember one of my Chinese friends telling me "True love is for the poor because they have nothing else to give".

Don't think all xiaojies are desperate and don't think professional Chinse girls are loyal and faithful, that's stereotyping.

I'm getting off my soapbox now as my gf (who is 23 years younger than I ;)) wants to watch a movie.

-CPE

[One Wing Low]

Hi CPexpat,

It's very nice of you to offer your insights into Chinese society.

It's only natural for all of us to try to climb the social and economic ladders. If someone is not trying, there is definitely something wrong with that person. The only difference is how honorable the means we use to climb.

I know of just too many American women, working in the professional and executive ranks of Fortune 10 companies, who would have torrid affairs with their bosses for many reasons, some of which are, consciously or subconsciously, likely for securing their jobs, positions, raises, bonuses and perks...

This link shows a recent example in one of the largest and best-managed companies in America. The Boeing board had to fire its CEO because the company was already mired in too many scandals which threatened its business:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/07/news/fortune500/boeing_ceo/index.htm

I personally know a few of these women in corporate America. Some are even proud of their sexual relationships with their bosses, flaunting their power with their colleagues and underlings... They dont act any better than the barefoot, uneducated Chinese xiaojies.

There were also many sex-for-grades scandals involving students and professors in the best collleges in America as reported by the press. Quite a few young American students become sex toys for their perverted old professors just to make grades, or to hang on to their assistantships and their prospects of getting their thesis approved and their high degrees. The disparity in power and the pressure from faculty advisors on students in US are so extreme, that a graduate student at a local school shot to death his advisor, after being frustrated and humiliated for 6 years over his PhD thesis.

There are a lot of pretty xiaojies and masage girls around Seibu, but there are also many pretty girls working their long-hour, menial jobs in the area. I remember a stunning-looking girl, wearing her cute short skirt uniform, going around pushing beers in a restaurant near the Seibu area. She was a very beautiful girl with earnest attitudes, working hard in a low paying job. Of course I have a lot more respect and affection for that honest and hard-working girl over the Xiaojies. I hope she still works there next time I visit SZ.

Most educated Chinese girls that I know have very strong bonds with their families. They take good care of their parents and generously share whatever little money they have with their siblings. Most prefer to go home to their families during Spring breaks rather than to vacations to get their brains fucked out by fraternity boys like their Western counterparts.

Like most poor countries, there are probably many Chinese girls out there trying to rip off foreigners with promises of sex and relationships etc... However, most educated Chinese girls I personally know are far more naive and innocent in their relationships with men, Chinese or foreigners, than their American and European counterparts. They are likely to be seduced, taken advantage of sexually, then dumped. Many of them ended up with unwanted pregnancy and abortions... One very pretty girl lived with her BF, a notable college professor, for 2 years. She got dumped recently and got very depressed. She kept asking me whether young Americans favor living together before getting married, to justify her poor decision.

The percentage of unmarried girls is very high among the young, educated Chinese girls, some are stunners, that I know in big cities. Most were dumped by their BF's at one time and are just too gun shy to risk getting hurt in any personal relationship again. Naturally they feel sad and sometimes jealous with their friends, spreading rumors about sexual relationships and abortions etc... Most of them seem to have very conservative values. A young girl agreed to go with me to the Forbidden Palace in Beijing, but I had to take a long taxi drive from downtown Beijing to her home way out in the suburb to ask her parents permission before I could take her. It's probably a matter of face to her family and friends. She probably expected me to quickly propose marriage next?

I checked with a few friends who live, work and travel extensively in China. The consensus is that educated Chinese girls are usually romantically-driven, loyal and devoted to their mates. On the other hand, It is generally accepted in China that the men can practice their screwing around habits widely and pretty much openly. Most American women would likely divorce their husbands and take half the joined assets if they are convinced their husbands cheat on them. It just shows that Chinese women are in much weaker positions in their personal relationships compared to the West.

Last time I was in China, I found many young and very beautiful professional/managerial girls available and open to romantic relationships with foreigners, and I have to admit I dont look that young, rich or handsome. I actually very much enjoy the dating and courting scene with educated, English-speaking Chinese girls and found they all have impeccable manners, besides being very pretty with beautiful bodies. A few young, managerial-type women did take the time to show me the sights around BJ despite their very busy schedule. They were just acting as gracious hostesses to a foreigner. Each time their attractiveness were just too strong that I just could not resist hugging and kissing them in front of thousands Chinese tourists and hordes of cops in front of the Forbidden Palace, as Chairman Mao looked down with his approving eyes from his giant portrait on top of the main entrance on Tianamen Square. The girls were fine. They did not act embarrassed. It's time we show them that expressions of true and good feelings between friends should not and cannot be forbidden anywhere.


I also agree that there are many, many good people in China.

I do not feel sorry for the xiaojie though, because she is "trapped" in the situation. Maybe some are, but the majority do it with free will. They are lured to South China with the idea of making money and the city of Shenzhen which is made of gold, only to realize money don't grow on trees here and her dream of a high paying job is shot down when she is standing in line with 100's of college educated, English speaking candidates.

Don't think all xiaojies are desperate and don't think professional Chinse girls are loyal and faithful, that's stereotyping.

-CPE

BTW, while you were on the computer, and while you were out chasing the xiaojies, do you know what your young GF was doing, with whom, and how many times? J/K.



I'm getting off my soapbox now as my gf (who is 23 years younger than I ;)) wants to watch a movie.

-CPE

[Bnlee2]

Hi CPexpat,

It's very nice of you to offer your insights into Chinese society.


BTW, while you were on the computer, and while you were out chasing the xiaojies, do you know what your young GF was doing, with whom, and how many times? J/K.

Im glad that you guys are starting to like each other again...finally agreeing on something out here.

[Zhuren]

However, most educated Chinese girls I personally know are far more naive and innocent in their relationships with men, Chinese or foreigners, than their American and European counterparts. They are likely to be seduced, taken advantage of sexually, then dumped. Many of them ended up with unwanted pregnancy and abortions... One very pretty girl lived with her BF, a notable college professor, for 2 years. She got dumped recently and got very depressed. She kept asking me whether young Americans favor living together before getting married, to justify her poor decision.

The percentage of unmarried girls is very high among the young, educated Chinese girls, some are stunners, that I know in big cities. Most were dumped by their BF's at one time and are just too gun shy to risk getting hurt in any personal relationship again. Naturally they feel sad and sometimes jealous with their friends, spreading rumors about sexual relationships and abortions etc... Most of them seem to have very conservative values.

The consensus is that educated Chinese girls are usually romantically-driven, loyal and devoted to their mates. On the other hand, It is generally accepted in China that the men can practice their screwing around habits widely and pretty much openly. Most American women would likely divorce their husbands and take half the joined assets if they are convinced their husbands cheat on them. It just shows that Chinese women are in much weaker positions in their personal relationships compared to the West.

Last time I was in China, I found many young and very beautiful professional/managerial girls available and open to romantic relationships with foreigners, and I have to admit I dont look that young, rich or handsome. I actually very much enjoy the dating and courting scene with educated, English-speaking Chinese girls and found they all have impeccable manners, besides being very pretty with beautiful bodies. A few young, managerial-type women did take the time to show me the sights around BJ despite their very busy schedule. They were just acting as gracious hostesses to a foreigner. Each time their attractiveness were just too strong that I just could not resist hugging and kissing them in front of thousands Chinese tourists and hordes of cops in front of the Forbidden Palace, as Chairman Mao looked down with his approving eyes from his giant portrait on top of the main entrance on Tianamen Square. The girls were fine. They did not act embarrassed. It's time we show them that expressions of true and good feelings between friends should not and cannot be forbidden anywhere.





Very good, sensible, and insight-ful post. Thank you.

[Old Mean Dog]

BTW, while you were on the computer, and while you were out chasing the xiaojies, do you know what your young GF was doing, with whom, and how many times? J/K.

Only been with her a couple of months, she lives with me and I don't play the field now (less a massage now and then). Hell, even Santa's seen me in a Jie Yie KTV with her! She is fully aware I am on ISG and knows the purpose of this website. What I've done in the past, she cannot change...

Happy Chinese New Year,

-CPE

[Zhuren]

This link shows a recent example in one of the largest and best-managed companies in America. The Boeing board had to fire its CEO because the company was already mired in too many scandals which threatened its business:

http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/07/news/fortune500/boeing_ceo/index.htm.

That's chickenshit compared to the sex scandal that has plagued Volkswagen since 2005 (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-07,GFRG:en&q=volkswagen+sex+scandal) with no chance of letting up.

Brazilian WGs were trafficked in corporate jets, orgies were organized to appease (and possilbly implicate) members of the unions, slush funds were created. After the scandal became public (auspiciously a few months before the 2005 elections, Schroeder's buddy Peter Hartz was the first VW board member to go...) many high ranking execs had to step down, members of parliament lost their seats, people went to jail. And it ain't over yet. (http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/01/15/former-vw-boss-pischetsrieder-denies-role-in-sex-and-bribes-scandal/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earthtimes.org%2Farticles%2Fshow%2F173762%2Cformer-vw-boss-pischetsrieder-denies-role-in-sex-and-bribes-scandal.html&frame=true)

[SE Asia Joe]

That's chickenshit compared to the sex scandal that has plagued Volkswagen since 2005 (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-07,GFRG:en&q=volkswagen+sex+scandal) with no chance of letting up.

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Huh? I thought from doing business in China that that is the way all business operates?! You mean it's not OK??! Oh wow!
Se Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

Just proved my intuitions about her original motives to be true. Now, I have deleted every number and every thought of her! So I guess her request was a blessing in disguise. .
And from the various and multiple postings of your past few months sexcapades, you ain't exactly been all heartbroken and moping around from your "first experience" with a Chinese Gal. Good on you mate!
I gotta remind myself that there are literally millions of fine Chinese women and to never... ever ... get stuck on one no more!
SE Asia Joe

[Zhuren]

Huh? I thought from doing business in China that that is the way all business operates?! You mean it's not OK??! Oh wow!
Se Asia Joe

Ah, they even doled out free supplies of Viagra, and cash to keep the wives occupied while shopping (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=59&objectid=10486639) - that's what we call Volkswagen service. Too bad they blew it.

[One Wing Low]

i read many news reports about the volkswagen's scandals. there is so much politics and screwing around interfering with volkswagen's business, that their cars are inferior and cause massive losses over the years.

i also read in some business rags about daimler chrysler's then ceo, juergen schrempp, after a long meeting with his top 500 managers, hoisted his secretary over his shoulder, slapped her ass, then carried her to his room for the night. germany sounds like a very fun place, where sex is not a taboo, and it's acceptable for men to treat women like toys.

in contrary, america is far more puritanical. similar conducts by business executives would bring on so much legal liabilities, public embarassment, boycotts, potential loss of business... that such conducts are unimaginable.

in america's work place, racial and sexual tensions are high; harmony is not valued. american management operates using primarily competition and confrontation among peers, with checks and balances at various levels, to maximize outputs and efficiency, and fuck the work place harmony... it's their model of democracy implemented at microeconomic level.

american managers are very likely to lose their jobs, or get demoted, if accused, not necessarily proven guilty, of any racial or sexual harassment. the japanese head of toyota america in tennessee lost his job last year after being accused of repeatedly showing romantic interests (presumably for hot sex) in his pretty and much younger japanese american assistant. apparently she preferred to play by american rules and ratted on him. he lost!

one of the wise guys used to say 'don't eat where you shit...' it's best to forget about romances or sex in the work place in america.


that's chickenshit compared to the sex scandal that has plagued volkswagen since 2005 (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=utf-8&rls=gfrg,gfrg:2007-07,gfrg:en&q=volkswagen+sex+scandal) with no chance of letting up.

brazilian wgs were trafficked in corporate jets, orgies were organized to appease (and possilbly implicate) members of the unions, slush funds were created. after the scandal became public (auspiciously a few months before the 2005 elections, schroeder's buddy peter hartz was the first vw board member to go...) many high ranking execs had to step down, members of parliament lost their seats, people went to jail. and it ain't over yet. (http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/01/15/former-vw-boss-pischetsrieder-denies-role-in-sex-and-bribes-scandal/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.earthtimes.org%2farticles%2fshow%2f173762%2cformer-vw-boss-pischetsrieder-denies-role-in-sex-and-bribes-scandal.html&frame=true)

[Dan Hawaii]

Here's an article:

http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2007-12/26/content_13665.htm


-CPE
I feel sorry for the dude, not becuse he lost all that money, because he sounds like a really stupid dumb butt. Who the heck is going to give some one 81k usd online in hopes to get married. He must have dementia or something, I wonder how he was smart enough to make/have 81k usd? He must be book smart, but lack common sense.

[Old Mean Dog]

I feel sorry for the dude, not becuse he lost all that money, because he sounds like a really stupid dumb butt. Who the heck is going to give some one 81k usd online in hopes to get married. He must have dementia or something, I wonder how he was smart enough to make/have 81k usd? He must be book smart, but lack common sense.

I had some Chinese newspaper articles translated for me about this story as well. The guy was in his 60's and had never been married before. He did come to SZ once and stayed with her for like 10 days, bought her a lot of shit and was conned by her into thinking she was a virgin and he broke her cherry (hymen surgery is cheap and the red dye trick is well known as well).

He wants what most middle to older age men want....a young piece of pussy he can call his own.

I have seen stories like his quite often, thanks to the internet and many women like this in South China, it's all about QoL and money for them. There is one silver lining to this though, at least this ain't the PI where this game is played much more.

Happy Chinese New Year,

-CPE

[Dan Hawaii]

I had some Chinese newspaper articles translated for me about this story as well. The guy was in his 60's and had never been married before. He did come to SZ once and stayed with her for like 10 days, bought her a lot of shit and was conned by her into thinking she was a virgin and he broke her cherry (hymen surgery is cheap and the red dye trick is well known as well).

He wants what most middle to older age men want....a young piece of pussy he can call his own.

I have seen stories like his quite often, thanks to the internet and many women like this in South China, it's all about QoL and money for them. There is one silver lining to this though, at least this ain't the PI where this game is played much more.

Happy Chinese New Year,

-CPE
But imagine how much young pussies you can call your own with 81k usd.:)

[Chinese Jezebel]

Only thing I can say here is this old man has no mind. His mind is just like middle age nouveau riche Chinese peasant in early 90s who wants to gain his face back. I can not buy this...Finding a virgin in China right now? He should be sent back to school again and take a course named " Chinese modern history".

http://szdaily.sznews.com/html/2007-12/26/content_13665.htm, However I have to admit the girl on this website has much better looking than me.

[Chinese Jezebel]

I can not believed it that old man wanted to find an virgin in China right now! It sounds like a newly rich Chinese peasant who wants to gain his face back. I would say his mind is influx with water.

[Chinese Jezebel]

http://www.lifeofguangzhou.com/node_10/node_37/node_250/2007/09/28/119094793027787.shtml

Recently, numerous posts on a foreign looking swindler have appeared on several major online Chinese forums. All victims have been deceived in the same way after meeting a foreign looking male who called himself Brandon.

[Clean Gene]

http://www.lifeofguangzhou.com/node_10/node_37/node_250/2007/09/28/119094793027787.shtml

Recently, numerous posts on a foreign looking swindler have appeared on several major online Chinese forums. All victims have been deceived in the same way after meeting a foreign looking male who called himself Brandon.

A few weeks ago, I was walking with friends on NanJing Lu. A young girl looking perhaps 13 or 14 years old was sitting on the sidewalk next to a grassy space, with a sign chalked in front of her saying she needed something like 25 yuan for fare home. A companion said, "Another beggar". And we walked on.

The picture of her stayed in my mind. Girl in yellow jacket, jeans and a clean pair of athletic shoes. Fair skinned, black haired. Clean looking. I walked back and she was still there. I asked her where she wanted to go. She said Wuxi. I gave her two twenties. And she immediately got up and ran for the subway station. She looked humiliated.

I felt good about giving her a hand, she may have really needed it.

[Eaglestar]

A few weeks ago, I was walking with friends on NanJing Lu. A young girl looking perhaps 13 or 14 years old was sitting on the sidewalk next to a grassy space, with a sign chalked in front of her saying she needed something like 25 yuan for fare home. A companion said, "Another beggar". And we walked on.

The picture of her stayed in my mind. Girl in yellow jacket, jeans and a clean pair of athletic shoes. Fair skinned, black haired. Clean looking. I walked back and she was still there. I asked her where she wanted to go. She said Wuxi. I gave her two twenties. And she immediately got up and ran for the subway station. She looked humiliated.

I felt good about helping someone who may have really needed it.

Maybe dat why you be "Clean Gene" :)

ES

[SE Asia Joe]

Maybe dat why you be "Clean Gene" :)

ES
Maybe.... maybe NOT!




The picture of her stayed in my mind. Girl in yellow jacket, jeans and a clean pair of athletic shoes. Fair skinned, black haired. Clean looking.
I felt good about helping someone who may have really needed it.

Perhaops you may have wanted to really - and I mean REALLY helped her??!! After all - this is ISG forum and not "Feed the Kids of China" Forum?!
too bad she ran off before you could pursue - huh?
SE Asia Joe

[Hainanien]

after 5 years, i think finally nailed my mass mailed 1st letter to under 20’s online, getting 80% positive reply, then onward to the game of bedding them through time & phone/ net messages. 'if i want.

been lotsa fun learning to say just what she wants to hear while keeping blatantly honest & non committal with unbelievable payoffs.

i’ve got this from a very nice looking, imo, but not traditionally beautiful 18 year old in gz, replies to my few letters highly praising her 'perfect chinese beauty & sex apeal whilt telling her i’m a bad, old foreign man with simple details of what i plan to do with her in my nice hotel room after we meet. in a gentlemanly way of course.

i believe these letters are great examples of getting freebees here, language barrier, dating dreams & reality, curiosity, it’s full of what we get to think through while trying out maneuver the players in this tricky game called dating in china.

i think it might be fun to read a few interpretations from long time china guys, specially those with good chinese as mine is very limited but i’ve used net translators a lot & been here a few years so understand a lot of the different word / phraseing. _________ ____________

1st reply--------------

are shou sanwatashi and i. drinking. so much very happy?

however, is it a girl in very ordinary china of me one? you see me of the mistake, and, therefore, have you prolonged in despair.

am you one uncle at all not bad, and do we to express our gratitude, and, therefore, can i shout your uncle? is it because your age is large as well as my father?

therefore, is it a little good that i want to shout your uncle? can you do? it is hoped that it doesn't worry about you, and you understand other people very much by one person (it is). food. and know person.

is the kind able not to be assumed to be the one because it is correct and it asked you at once? you are interested in the girl in china why. thank you really very much.

2nd reply.---------------------

you peel watashi

it is it is possible to read as for the book.

isn't there in the imagination of you perfect so much?

those you say fear you very much feeling it in me.

whether i do like this because of not liking it?

therefore, am i esteemed?

do i want to do only your usual friend?

do i hope we mutually esteem the other party?

moreover, my english becomes very tattered.

as for this, i helped my translation by other people.

therefore, are it difficult for us to tie?

in addition, only the girl of year and me nothing but 18 still:

becoming 40 years old to you with the saucer in the much more.

when i also see recognition very glad and your information.

i feel that i am relieved incomparable because it is pleased.

we cannot do this year when the friend has already hung each other, and/can not do what kind of lover and do.

for me, i am knowledge tel because i am raw.

there is no talk 'and time is you.

it is possible to meet

i love of you.

it cannot apologize to accept.

_____________

these confuse me.

for me, i am knowledge tel because i am raw.

we cannot do this year when the friend has already hung each other

[Old Mean Dog]

Maybe.... maybe NOT!



Perhaops you may have wanted to really - and I mean REALLY helped her??!! After all - this is ISG forum and not "Feed the Kids of China" Forum?!
too bad she ran off before you could pursue - huh?
SE Asia Joe

That's what I'm talkin' about Joe.

Ahhh, you don't have a bus ticket home, your purse got stolen and you're hungry? No problem, come to my pad, have a nice hot shower, some food and blow me!

When I find those girls here and there ain't a damn thing wrong with them physically, I always offer them some money in return for sexual services. Too bad I've never had one take me up on my offer, but as long as there are young con artists trying to get some rmb from me, then I can always muster up a boner for return services.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

are shou sanwatashi and i. drinking. so much very happy?

however, is it a girl in very ordinary china of me one? you see me of the mistake, and, therefore, have you prolonged in despair.

am you one uncle at all not bad, and do we to express our gratitude, and, therefore, can i shout your uncle? is it because your age is large as well as my father?

therefore, is it a little good that i want to shout your uncle? can you do? it is hoped that it doesn't worry about you, and you understand other people very much by one person (it is). food. and know person.

is the kind able not to be assumed to be the one because it is correct and it asked you at once? you are interested in the girl in china why. thank you really very much.

2nd reply.---------------------

you peel watashi

it is it is possible to read as for the book.

isn't there in the imagination of you perfect so much?

those you say fear you very much feeling it in me.

whether i do like this because of not liking it?

therefore, am i esteemed?

do i want to do only your usual friend?

do i hope we mutually esteem the other party?

moreover, my english becomes very tattered.

as for this, i helped my translation by other people.

therefore, are it difficult for us to tie?

in addition, only the girl of year and me nothing but 18 still:

becoming 40 years old to you with the saucer in the much more.

when i also see recognition very glad and your information.

i feel that i am relieved incomparable because it is pleased.

we cannot do this year when the friend has already hung each other, and/can not do what kind of lover and do.

for me, i am knowledge tel because i am raw.

there is no talk 'and time is you.

it is possible to meet

i love of you.

it cannot apologize to accept. [/i]

_____________

these confuse me.

for me, i am knowledge tel because i am raw.

we cannot do this year when the friend has already hung each other

wtf is that rubbish? did she microwave her little translation machine or drop it from a 30 storey building?

-cpe

[Clean Gene]

Maybe dat why you be "Clean Gene" :)

ES

Hen Gan Jing!

[Ira Johnson]

Ok, if I need to repost this in a different forum please advise.

My mouth is watering from all of the reports I see about CFF freebies! I signed up for a CFF account, but of course it requires payment to actually send and receive messages and to use the full functionality of the site.

I am prepared to pay – but I am having difficulty with this part. CFF states that I must use 51QB online payment service, so I clicked through and set up an account with them. As best I can determine, 51QB is similar to Paypal, and thus requires deposit from an actual bank. My Chinese banking is through China Construction Bank, and I have an ATM/Debit card, so certainly I am prepared to pay.

However, when I click through 51QB to deposit money into that account, the website then shifts to a Chinese (han zi) site that even Babelfish balks at. As you no doubt have gleaned, I am completely in the dark at deciphering han zi.

I'm stuck. I want to complete this so I can begin trolling these lovely pictures on CFF, but I can't seem to pay to upgrade my subscription with CFF.

Can anyone offer advice on how to finish this? Surely I have han zi-illiterate ISG brothers who have overcome this.

51QB also states that one member can deposit money for another. If you feel particularly generous, Maybe we can work out a trade – I can send you money via PayPal and you can deposit the RMB equivalent into 51QB. If so, PM me.

The third option is that there may be another method I have not considered. I am open to any suggestions.

[SE Asia Joe]

Watched that TV program - Power of 10 - which gives out statistics on American preferences in percentage terms:

- Percentage of American women who prefers Chocolate to Sex - 41%
- Percentage of Americans who weigh themselves everyday - 14%
- Percentage of Americans who feels that under the 1st amendment, Mormons should be allowed to practice polygamy - 29%

Now do you wonder why we're still out here?!

SE Asia Joe

[Loveasiangirls]

Ok, if I need to repost this in a different forum please advise.

My mouth is watering from all of the reports I see about CFF freebies! I signed up for a CFF account, but of course it requires payment to actually send and receive messages and to use the full functionality of the site.

I am prepared to pay – but I am having difficulty with this part. CFF states that I must use 51QB online payment service, so I clicked through and set up an account with them. As best I can determine, 51QB is similar to Paypal, and thus requires deposit from an actual bank. My Chinese banking is through China Construction Bank, and I have an ATM/Debit card, so certainly I am prepared to pay.

However, when I click through 51QB to deposit money into that account, the website then shifts to a Chinese (han zi) site that even Babelfish balks at. As you no doubt have gleaned, I am completely in the dark at deciphering han zi.

I'm stuck. I want to complete this so I can begin trolling these lovely pictures on CFF, but I can't seem to pay to upgrade my subscription with CFF.

Can anyone offer advice on how to finish this? Surely I have han zi-illiterate ISG brothers who have overcome this.

51QB also states that one member can deposit money for another. If you feel particularly generous, Maybe we can work out a trade – I can send you money via PayPal and you can deposit the RMB equivalent into 51QB. If so, PM me.

The third option is that there may be another method I have not considered. I am open to any suggestions.The way around this is to change your city of residence for, say, somewhere in north america. Then you can pay by regular credit card. After you can change your profile back to a chinese residence.

[TenthFloor]

I have said it before. Sex that you pay for is cheaper than free sex.Depends.

As I am a Beijing resident there are sometimes circumstances I have to go with a girl to a hotel rather to take her home. Once I had one who insisted to share the hotel cost with me.

Anyhow it's my principle when I take a woman out I pay for it. Whether we have sex or not.

[TenthFloor]

Referring to johnnykon666's report below:
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Originally Posted by Scribe
Things are starting to warm up here in China.

Scribe,

This woman looks so similar to my "ai yi" housekeeper, I'm almost certain. Is her name Ah Jun? Ha ha ha, please tell me you didn't come across her in Shenzhen?? Although on the other hand, it would be hilarious if you did...

J

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Any suggestions from my fellow mongers in banging the Ayi (don't tell me everybody is doing this!!). My new one is almost 50 yrs of age and a bit ugly. But anyhow I am tempted to ask her for a BJ. Maybe she would be happy for some additional income. On the other side I do not want to drive her off.

How should I address this issue properly? Any experience from my brothers?

[Mock A Bee]

Referring to johnnykon666's report below:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Things are starting to warm up here in China.

Scribe,

This woman looks so similar to my "ai yi" housekeeper, I'm almost certain. Is her name Ah Jun? Ha ha ha, please tell me you didn't come across her in Shenzhen?? Although on the other hand, it would be hilarious if you did...

J

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Any suggestions from my fellow mongers in banging the Ayi (don't tell me everybody is doing this!!). My new one is almost 50 yrs of age and a bit ugly. But anyhow I am tempted to ask her for a BJ. Maybe she would be happy for some additional income. On the other side I do not want to drive her off.

How should I address this issue properly? Any experience from my brothers?

You want your 50yr old Ayi to blow you? You can't be serious?

MAB

[Dongguan Guy]

Ok, if I need to repost this in a different forum please advise.

My mouth is watering from all of the reports I see about CFF freebies! I signed up for a CFF account, but of course it requires payment to actually send and receive messages and to use the full functionality of the site.

I am prepared to pay – but I am having difficulty with this part. CFF states that I must use 51QB online payment service, so I clicked through and set up an account with them. As best I can determine, 51QB is similar to Paypal, and thus requires deposit from an actual bank. My Chinese banking is through China Construction Bank, and I have an ATM/Debit card, so certainly I am prepared to pay.

However, when I click through 51QB to deposit money into that account, the website then shifts to a Chinese (han zi) site that even Babelfish balks at. As you no doubt have gleaned, I am completely in the dark at deciphering han zi.

I'm stuck. I want to complete this so I can begin trolling these lovely pictures on CFF, but I can't seem to pay to upgrade my subscription with CFF.

Can anyone offer advice on how to finish this? Surely I have han zi-illiterate ISG brothers who have overcome this.

51QB also states that one member can deposit money for another. If you feel particularly generous, Maybe we can work out a trade – I can send you money via PayPal and you can deposit the RMB equivalent into 51QB. If so, PM me.

The third option is that there may be another method I have not considered. I am open to any suggestions.I have a 51QB account and I'd like to help you. But I'm not a paid ISG member, so I'm not able to PM you. My idea is can you help me get me pay the ISG membership fee as I'm a Chinese living in China being not able to pay through the ISG banking system then I'll help you pay the 51QB membership fee in return.

By the way. I'll be in Changchun some time this month. Maybe we can meet in Vegas Heat to work it out.

Any better ideas?

DGG

[Minnesota Peter]

I am very new to women in China, married to a Filipina for 20 years though.

Met a 26yo divorced woman from Shenzhen who is picture perfect. That is the problem, everything seems a little too good to be true. I have called her a couple times, but the noise in the background always makes it difficult.

We have exchanged emails daily for about two weeks.

Do professional Chinese young women talk like this? Says she works as a cosmetics sales girl.

Here is a typical end to an email, after answering various questions for the day. Thanks for your help.

You are all I need to see. You are all I want. You are all I need. You are more to me than anything. I love you greater every day and every night. I miss you so much. I imagine all the things we will do when we are together and all alone in our room. I do get all excited about it. About you! You excite me and have me captivated with your love and wonderful. I love you for all you are and for all you do. I always will. We are getting so close to the time when we are together it is hard to sleep at night and I dream of you when I dream and we are always in good moods and in the middle of something good! Sometimes we are just snuggling and talking after we have made love because we are under the covers in the nude. Both of us feeling very satisfied and happy with each other. I love my dreams of you but nothing can take the place of you in person. The real thing. The man I am so in love with! I cannot wait to touch. Kiss your sweet lips and hold each other in arms as we lay in bed. To sleep in the same bed as you and to hold you tight at night and wake up with you in the morning still in arms. I am still so in love with you and I feel my love for you growing stronger every day. I love you to death

[Albert Punter]

Come on MAB, you know that old ladies are very expert ...

Oh no, wait.
Maybe TenthFloor is 70, so 50 is quite young in comparison.

LOL



You want your 50yr old Ayi to blow you? You can't be serious?

MAB

[Albert Punter]

In my experience of freebie hunter through websites/chatlines I never met a girl talking like this.
Not even those who were sucking my cock only one hour after we had met first time, were so enticing.

I understand you never met her, but just exchanged e-mails for a mere 2 weeks. Then, I assume you are very handsome (exchanged pics ?) and very kind and smart, and you are able to talk/write to girls in right way.
However, how a girl can "love you to death" after just a short period without even meeting you in person ?
As you well say, "too good to be true".

I would move very carefully.

I remember a couple of years ago, after a few weeks corresponding by e-mail, a girl from ... (sorry, forgot name of city - but I believe I posted experience already) stated she liked me and wanted to meet me. I was very pleased as pics she sent showed a young and attractive girl. So, I invited her to join me in Shanghai, offering to pay air-ticket. She insisted I had to go to her hometown, no way she wanted to come to Shanghai.
Therefore, I suspected something wrong was hidden behind and I gave up.

Obviously, your girl may not hide anything.
However, be alerted.


I am very new to women in China, married to a Filipina for 20 years though.

Met a 26yo divorced woman from Shenzhen who is picture perfect. That is the problem, everything seems a little too good to be true. I have called her a couple times, but the noise in the background always makes it difficult.

We have exchanged emails daily for about two weeks.

Do professional Chinese young women talk like this? Says she works as a cosmetics sales girl.

Here is a typical end to an email, after answering various questions for the day. Thanks for your help.

You are all I need to see. You are all I want. You are all I need. You are more to me than anything. I love you greater every day and every night. I miss you so much. I imagine all the things we will do when we are together and all alone in our room. I do get all excited about it. About you! You excite me and have me captivated with your love and wonderful. I love you for all you are and for all you do. I always will. We are getting so close to the time when we are together it is hard to sleep at night and I dream of you when I dream and we are always in good moods and in the middle of something good! Sometimes we are just snuggling and talking after we have made love because we are under the covers in the nude. Both of us feeling very satisfied and happy with each other. I love my dreams of you but nothing can take the place of you in person. The real thing. The man I am so in love with! I cannot wait to touch. Kiss your sweet lips and hold each other in arms as we lay in bed. To sleep in the same bed as you and to hold you tight at night and wake up with you in the morning still in arms. I am still so in love with you and I feel my love for you growing stronger every day. I love you to death

[Albert Punter]

Just found this post from MAB

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=714122&postcount=8

[Dragon D]

Well the first thing that this email tells me after educating Chinese English teachers, students, hotel staff, etc is that when the English in their emails are perfect it is usually cut and paste. I have run into girls on these chat sites who say they know English and in general conversation we find other wise and then I get an email with perfect English. Nothing wrong with that mind you, girls like to try to impress. Just don't get your hopes up.

The best thing i've heard is that one guy ran into an ex model and got married and has been so for a number of years now.

The worst is a guy got drugged and was found in the washroom in a bathtub full of ice one kidney short.

Suggest you chat on qq or msn for awhile first. Just my 2 cents.

[Loveasiangirls]

I am very new to women in China, married to a Filipina for 20 years though.

Met a 26yo divorced woman from Shenzhen who is picture perfect. That is the problem, everything seems a little too good to be true. I have called her a couple times, but the noise in the background always makes it difficult.

We have exchanged emails daily for about two weeks.

Do professional Chinese young women talk like this? Says she works as a cosmetics sales girl.

Here is a typical end to an email, after answering various questions for the day. Thanks for your help.

You are all I need to see. You are all I want. You are all I need. You are more to me than anything. I love you greater every day and every night. I miss you so much. I imagine all the things we will do when we are together and all alone in our room. I do get all excited about it. About you! You excite me and have me captivated with your love and wonderful. I love you for all you are and for all you do. I always will. We are getting so close to the time when we are together it is hard to sleep at night and I dream of you when I dream and we are always in good moods and in the middle of something good! Sometimes we are just snuggling and talking after we have made love because we are under the covers in the nude. Both of us feeling very satisfied and happy with each other. I love my dreams of you but nothing can take the place of you in person. The real thing. The man I am so in love with! I cannot wait to touch. Kiss your sweet lips and hold each other in arms as we lay in bed. To sleep in the same bed as you and to hold you tight at night and wake up with you in the morning still in arms. I am still so in love with you and I feel my love for you growing stronger every day. I love you to deathI have been on a few chinese web sites and there are many desperate ladies out there looking for a husband. You will not get this kind of message on AFF or CFF but on others, after posting my profile with a picture I would get 5 to 10 messages like this every day. They "fell in love" and think I am their future just by reading my profile and seeing my picture. And the thing is, they are serious. However, you should know that they say this to all the guys.

[Ragnarok42]

Just don't get your hopes up.

The best thing i've heard is that one guy ran into an ex model and got married and has been so for a number of years now.

The worst is a guy got drugged and was found in the washroom in a bathtub full of ice one kidney short.

Suggest you chat on qq or msn for awhile first. Just my 2 cents.

Great advice. Sounds way too good to be true. Always, always be cautious, especially in China. They have so many ways of scamming men its incredible.

Chat on QQ or MSN for a while, hell use the camera function on MSN if you are curious to see if she real looks like what she claims. Then meet in a neutral, public place so you are both safe and take things from there.

Good luck.

[Meiguoguizi]

Well the first thing that this email tells me after educating Chinese English teachers, students, hotel staff, etc is that when the English in their emails are perfect it is usually cut and paste. I have run into girls on these chat sites who say they know English and in general conversation we find other wise and then I get an email with perfect English. Nothing wrong with that mind you, girls like to try to impress. Just don't get your hopes up.


If the English in their emails IS perfect, it MUST BE cut and paste. It apparently wasn't learned in your class.

[Ira Johnson]

Great advice. Sounds way too good to be true. Always, always be cautious, especially in China. They have so many ways of scamming men its incredible. Even if it is not a scam for money or visa, there are other pitfalls. Here in the Northeast, girls are under intense pressure to be married by their mid-20s, and the insanity pumps up with each passing year. The pressure seems to come from parents. Remember, children are your retirement plan here. When you retire, your kid and her spouse will give you a home, food, and whatever else you need, so a single child means no easy golden years.

I've been on at least 2 dates where she said "wo ai ni" before the main course arrived at dinner, and by the end of the date she was asking about a date for the wedding, children, etc.

I ran like hell each time.

Western women will give sex for love. Here, it seems, at least a few women will give desperate claims of love in exchange for the relative stability of marriage. And they may do so recklessly.

Man man lai. MOVE SLOW!

[Zhangsan]

I am very new to women in China, married to a Filipina for 20 years though.

Met a 26yo divorced woman from Shenzhen who is picture perfect. That is the problem, everything seems a little too good to be true. I have called her a couple times, but the noise in the background always makes it difficult.

We have exchanged emails daily for about two weeks.

Do professional Chinese young women talk like this? Says she works as a cosmetics sales girl.

Here is a typical end to an email, after answering various questions for the day. Thanks for your help.

You are all I need to see. You are all I want. You are all I need. You are more to me than anything. I love you greater every day and every night. I miss you so much. I imagine all the things we will do when we are together and all alone in our room. I do get all excited about it. About you! You excite me and have me captivated with your love and wonderful. I love you for all you are and for all you do. I always will. We are getting so close to the time when we are together it is hard to sleep at night and I dream of you when I dream and we are always in good moods and in the middle of something good! Sometimes we are just snuggling and talking after we have made love because we are under the covers in the nude. Both of us feeling very satisfied and happy with each other. I love my dreams of you but nothing can take the place of you in person. The real thing. The man I am so in love with! I cannot wait to touch. Kiss your sweet lips and hold each other in arms as we lay in bed. To sleep in the same bed as you and to hold you tight at night and wake up with you in the morning still in arms. I am still so in love with you and I feel my love for you growing stronger every day. I love you to deathAs I read your story, I was suddenly reminded of something I had read recently, which coincidentally also involved a woman in Shenzhen, although the man in question was German. I recommend you take a good, hard look at this before you take her emails too seriously.

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20071226_1.htm

If the link doesn't work, google 'Desperately Seeking Anna'.

Be careful.

[Minnesota Peter]

What is QQ?

Yes, I know it is cut and pasted from something, it is how she finishes each email. Today, I asked one simple question. Did you write this stuff originally. I got I miss you so much, hope we can be together soon. THEN a dialog that I had gotten last week again.

I have gotten about 8 pictures from her, all where taken last July on the same date, professional type of shoot. In only one can I see her shoes, they are far from new. (Would a Chinese model pose with worn shoes? ) She is drop dead beautiful. I don't think her English is as good and she wants it to be though. That is why she resorts to cut and paste.

If we could webcam, I would hop on a plane and take my chances with losing a kidney. LOL

Here are her answers to my questions in my very first couple of emails.

I am glad to get your mail today.

Q: Are these REALLY pictures of you?

A: yes, I swear that it is me, and only me, I hate games. I am woman. Not model, many beautiful woman in China

Q: Are you currently employed?

A: yes, I work for sales. I sell cosmetics for people.

A to her question: I am looking for someone to be a loving wife, Her A: it is me, wish it is me.

In retrospect. Maybe my answer to her question of what I was looking for, had different time lines for each of us.


Chat on QQ or MSN for a while, hell use the camera function on MSN if you are curious to see if she real looks like what she claims. Then meet in a neutral, public place so you are both safe and take things from there.

Good luck.

[Dongguan Guy]

Thanks, DGG. Interestingly enough, the previous post solved my problem:

I did that, and it worked. I am now a fully paid member of CFF.

Thanks for your offer, anyway, DGG. Perhaps if you contact Jackson with your concerns about paying for a membership on ISG, he can offer alternative methods of payment - maybe PayPal, or some such; or perhaps Jackson has an 51QB account. I'm sure we are not the first expats with these concerns.

Regardless, PM me when you get your membership. I'll buy your first overpriced warm beer in Vegas Heat and give you the scoop on other places as well.I have enough money in my Paypal account. But I don't know how to go through the procedure. Will Jackson respond to my email? Anyway I'll give it a try.

I'll be in Changchun on 8th, 9th, 10th. Will you be in the Vegas Heat during this time? We can have some fun together

[Albert Punter]

QQ is a portal http://www.qq.com/ where there is chat line as well.
Unfortunately, chinese language is needed (I believe).



What is QQ?
...

[Ira Johnson]

QQ is a portal http://www.qq.com/ where there is chat line as well.

Unfortunately, chinese language is needed (I believe).Try this link: www.qq.co.za - I use QQ a lot myself.

The link posted goes to something called QQ 2005 which is an English version. It will not recognize Chinese characters, but of course you and your friends can chat in English.

It's really handy to have a QQ number here in the Middle Kingdom. It's a real icebreaker for a Chinese girl to learn an older laowei like me has a QQ number!

Also, encourage your friend to download and use MSN messenger (also very popular here) or Skype (my personal favorite). Any of these will accept video chatting, and file sharing - you send her a pic, she sends you one.

[Digital Jelli]

Hi,

I'm quite steadily using a version of QQ called 'LumaQQ' works fairly well on my make. bit of a problem with connection 'latency' - shows a contact still connected, when they disconnect. but the interface is in English which is a plus!

Cheers,

Digital Jelli.

QQ 90817627[?] whoops almost gave it away ;^) but willing to allow other members to have this if they PM me?

PS. also got several contacts on skype. just did a search with the particular city... gender... age etc...got one that regularly 'calls' me and I'm not even in China at the moment - :^( missing it really badly though!

[Hainanien]

Qq will load your computer with all kinds of crap, personally, I Never open Anything with QQ in the address on my own computer.

But it Is the way to communicate with the majority of people here.

The girl sounds legit to me, she's divorced, so not attractive to most "good" Chinese men, Desperate is often the word that comes to my mind when I meet this type online & I've met more than a few.

You'll notice how many guys that live here talk about the headache involved with dating here. Easy to get, difficult to get rid of.

I think there is more chance she’ll begin asking for money than sneaking a kidney away from you & a better chance she’s in the dream / fantasy thought pattern of being rescued by a western night in shining armor. Shenzhen has many females that found a western man, she probably has friends that "caught" one online.

Ask her for some casual photos of her, &/or chat with cam on any of the chat programs out there, if she says she no have cam, tell her to go to a net bar, most of them have cam.

[Old Mean Dog]

Qq will load your computer with all kinds of crap, personally, I Never open Anything with QQ in the address on my own computer.

Amen,

I loathe QQ and it's spyware infesting program. QQ would be great if you can avoid all the "extras" that come along with it. I know many I chat with use MSN and/or Skype, just as much as QQ.

-CPE

[Qqcyber]

The program you really want is not QQ but Tencent Messenger. Same network but basically a clone of the MSN interface. Not overly poplular, but an attempt to appeal to the more professional Chinese who would otherwise use MSN. An English version is now available, although I used to use the Chinese version is preference to the normal English version of QQ.

Can download it from:
http://im.qq.com/intl/en/tm/2008/

I think you still have the problem of needing to copy Chinese characters as robot detection when you sign up for an account. Dimsum is a good tool for drawing Chinese characters with a mouse, or just find a Chinese reading friend to sign you up.

[SE Asia Joe]

Amen,

I loathe QQ and it's spyware infesting program. QQ would be great if you can avoid all the "extras" that come along with it. I know many I chat with use MSN and/or Skype, just as much as QQ.

-CPE
Oh crap - now you tell me!! I just went ahead and downloaded the damn thing yesterday!
SE Asia

[Minnesota Peter]

The girl sounds legit to me, she's divorced, so not attractive to most "good" Chinese men, Desperate is often the word that comes to my mind when I meet this type online & I've met more than a few.

Ask her for some casual photos of her, &/or chat with cam on any of the chat programs out there, if she says she no have cam, tell her to go to a net bar, most of them have cam.Yes, I kind of think she is too, just pads her emails with fluff because of lack of English.

I have been trying to get those casual photos, and/or cam going. She does her Internet at a cafe now. But I have been pushing YM, I will bring up MSN. Maybe that will help.

[Comrade 2255]

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[Phil1980]

A recent debate at a Singaporean "cheonging" (mongering) website regarding angmos (caucasians) in Changping. Interesting to say the least!

http://*****************/international-field-reports-new/81521-more-cheebye-angmos-cheonging-changping.html



Asian guys not appreciating White guys with Asian girls. Nothing really new about this, right?

[JoseMarti]

A recent debate at a Singaporean "cheonging" (mongering) website regarding angmos (caucasians) in Changping. Interesting to say the least!

http://*****************/international-field-reports-new/81521-more-cheebye-angmos-cheonging-changping.html


Here is a great video on it. Really funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bWYFGBTuE

[SE Asia Joe]

A recent debate at a Singaporean "cheonging" (mongering) website regarding angmos (caucasians) in Changping. Interesting to say the least!

http://*****************/international-field-reports-new/81521-more-cheebye-angmos-cheonging-changping.html
Just read it. Not only interesting - but actually laughable/full of sxxt! These Singaporeans "Taking Possession" of CP while slagging Ang Mao's, Hongkongers (Note - we do NOT appreciate being called Hongkies - the same that whites do not appreciate being called a Honky!) and everybody else except themselves!
I think a recent conversation I had with a local Chinese who gave me a ride after our golf game is quite revealing. I've mongered with him in China/Hong Kong a few times - but always invariably at more expensive places - and asked him why we haven't mongered in CP (him not really knowing that I DO monger in CP already). His reply " No No, CP is too cheap and only caters to the low class. Not a place you and I would enjoy!"
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

Just read it. Not only interesting - but actually laughable/full of sxxt! These Singaporeans "Taking Possession" of CP while slagging Ang Mao's, Hongkongers (Note - we do NOT appreciate being called Hongkies - the same that whites do not appreciate being called a Honky!) and everybody else except themselves!
I think a recent conversation I had with a local Chinese who gave me a ride after our golf game is quite revealing. I've mongered with him in China/Hong Kong a few times - but always invariably at more expensive places - and asked him why we haven't mongered in CP (him not really knowing that I DO monger in CP already). His reply " No No, CP is too cheap and only caters to the low class. Not a place you and I would enjoy!"
SE Asia Joe

What I found really humorous was those fellas saying whitey comes here to exploit China for cheap labor and products, while never once mentioning how many factories here are owned by Taiwanese, Singaporean, Japanese and Koreans!

Personally, I just think it's penis envy.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

Personally, I just think it's penis envy.

-CPE
What?? You're still smarting from the times the Xiaojies/mommies try to charge you more for taking up your fistful of manhood???!! Muahaha!!
SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

What?? You're still smarting from the times the Xiaojies/mommies try to charge you more for taking up your fistful of manhood???!! Muahaha!!
SE Asia Joe

Shit, I'm just glad they don't charge by the inch or I'd be broke, on the other hand, you would certainly have a pocket full of change ;)

Don't worry Joe, I'll buy you a board and some rope to strap to your ass so you don't fall in on the girls I've already boned....Muahahaha!

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

OK guys - need your opinion here.
Have this old fart friend of mine who've asked me for my advise - and I'd like to first get you guy'ses opinion before i make up my mind on what I'd tell him.

The guy is basically a nice guy with the xiaojies he regularly mongers with and although no BSD (or IMF), money is really not a problem. On one of his mongering trip a couple or so months ago, he happened upon a gal who just started in the business who he really likes as a person. She came from a used-to-be quite wealthy family (grew up with maids and one of 4 children - her father had to pay RMB 20K, 40K and 60K for the 3 addtional kids), but the father ecently went bankrupt in his business. She is very well educated and had even worked as a manager before finding out that the low pay just could not sustain her whilst trying to help her family out. On the other hand, her present stint as a KTV gal is also not satisfactory as she dreads going to work and ends up many a night staying at home/not working and the times she is at work, is so picky on who she'd go out with that she'd end up too many nights only making the 200 sitting fee.

My friend told me that she is perfect in every way - quite cultured, well spoken, well presented, pretty face, good body, very clean hygiene etc - but just that sex is not that great (No big deal though as he can/will always get good sex from other gals). and whilst the sex may not be good, outside of the bed she is very loving and catering to my friend.

He's been with her quite a few times - and now its got to the point where he has "suggested" to her taht she goes back to work at a regular job (they figure it should not be a problem for her to make approx RMB2,000/month) and that although he will NOT "pao" her (2nd wife), that he will provide her with an extra RMB2,000 or so for seeing him most week-ends/occasional weekdays. The deal is that she is free to go out with anybody she meets but NOT to go to bed with him. And that if she decides she has met somebody that she feels she has a future with and wants to go to bed with, that she first tells my friend. I mean, its my friend who is suggesting this set up and not his gal!

This idiot friend of mine is actually wanting her to meet some guy who she could build a life with.... with his blessings and his support whilst she is hoping to find such a guy! My first reaction is that this guy is truly crazy - his mind screwed up with some kind of weird paternal instincts.

What do you guys think? Taking into account that she IS now a WG - albeit with a bit of unusual twist as to her life story. I really need to be able to give my good friend good advise.

SE Asia Joe

[Old Mean Dog]

OK guys - need your opinion here.
Have this old fart friend of mine who've asked me for my advise - and I'd like to first get you guy'ses opinion before i make up my mind on what I'd tell him.

The guy is basically a nice guy with the xiaojies he regularly mongers with and although no BSD (or IMF), money is really not a problem. On one of his mongering trip a couple or so months ago, he happened upon a gal who just started in the business who he really likes as a person. She came from a used-to-be quite wealthy family (grew up with maids and one of 4 children - her father had to pay RMB 20K, 40K and 60K for the 3 addtional kids), but the father ecently went bankrupt in his business. She is very well educated and had even worked as a manager before finding out that the low pay just could not sustain her whilst trying to help her family out. On the other hand, her present stint as a KTV gal is also not satisfactory as she dreads going to work and ends up many a night staying at home/not working and the times she is at work, is so picky on who she'd go out with that she'd end up too many nights only making the 200 sitting fee.

My friend told me that she is perfect in every way - quite cultured, well spoken, well presented, pretty face, good body, very clean hygiene etc - but just that sex is not that great (No big deal though as he can/will always get good sex from other gals). and whilst the sex may not be good, outside of the bed she is very loving and catering to my friend.

He's been with her quite a few times - and now its got to the point where he has "suggested" to her taht she goes back to work at a regular job (they figure it should not be a problem for her to make approx RMB2,000/month) and that although he will NOT "pao" her (2nd wife), that he will provide her with an extra RMB2,000 or so for seeing him most week-ends/occasional weekdays. The deal is that she is free to go out with anybody she meets but NOT to go to bed with him. And that if she decides she has met somebody that she feels she has a future with and wants to go to bed with, that she first tells my friend. I mean, its my friend who is suggesting this set up and not his gal!

This idiot friend of mine is actually wanting her to meet some guy who she could build a life with.... with his blessings and his support whilst she is hoping to find such a guy! My first reaction is that this guy is truly crazy - his mind screwed up with some kind of weird paternal instincts.

What do you guys think? Taking into account that she IS now a WG - albeit with a bit of unusual twist as to her life story. I really need to be able to give my good friend good advise.

SE Asia Joe

Maybe he enjoys being in the Uncle Sugar role?

What I find odd though is he said she can go out with any guy she wants, but not sleep with him. How many guys go to a KTV and take a girl out without getting laid? Afterall, isn't this how she makes the "good" money at a KTV? He does not seem to be too sincere either if he has already decided to get sex from other girls.

If she comes from a wealthy background and has tasted the "good" money in a KTV, do you real think 4k a month will keep her satisfied?

This sounds similiar to someone I know. It is like he knows it is a dead end relationship, but wants to go as far as he can with it. He also gave her the escape clause as well, allowing her to bail out if a younger, better fella came along. Seems odd, but wouldn't this require her to have a serious realtionship with the other guy (maybe include sex), to figure out if the other guy is good? I fhe does develop stronger feelings for her, jealously might become a factor and he will be eating his promises.

I think you might be able to reform a prostitute, if you can take her out of that enviroment. Afterall, she seems to have some skills not related to being on her back, so finding "other" work should not be difficult.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

Maybe he enjoys being in the Uncle Sugar role?

What I find odd though is he said she can go out with any guy she wants, but not sleep with him. How many guys go to a KTV and take a girl out without getting laid? Afterall, isn't this how she makes the "good" money at a KTV? He does not seem to be too sincere either if he has already decided to get sex from other girls.

If she comes from a wealthy background and has tasted the "good" money in a KTV, do you real think 4k a month will keep her satisfied?

This sounds similiar to someone I know. It is like he knows it is a dead end relationship, but wants to go as far as he can with it. He also gave her the escape clause as well, allowing her to bail out if a younger, better fella came along. Seems odd, but wouldn't this require her to have a serious realtionship with the other guy (maybe include sex), to figure out if the other guy is good? I fhe does develop stronger feelings for her, jealously might become a factor and he will be eating his promises.

I think you might be able to reform a prostitute, if you can take her out of that enviroment. Afterall, she seems to have some skills not related to being on her back, so finding "other" work should not be difficult.

-CPE
CP - no you read/got it wrong. My buddy is telling her to get a regular/decent job instead of working in the KTV. At a regular job, because of her qualifications etc, she can make aprox RMB 2,000 - and perhaps even more with promotions etc.

Besides which, she actually is presently not making much more than 3-4,000/per month at the KTV as she's hardly at work and when she is, she;d hardly go out with cusotmers anyway.

As far as Jealousy is concerned, I asked my buddy about this and he says that he will definitely not get jealous if she just goes out with other guys but not sleep with them. And that he's pretty sure she'll live up to her end of the bargain to tell him prior to the event if she is going to bed someone other - he's pretty sure of this. On him bedding others... welll.... that is part and parcel of the whole equation ain't it - plus of course he's not going to throw such screwing of others in her face so its going to be a non-issue..

And on RMB 4,000 - actually the "good Life" she experienced before was definitely not the RMB4,000 at a KTV as this amount is not close to what she had had as a daughter. But she also knows the reality of her situation now.

They both see that this "arrangement" is a viable way out of her present predicament to put her back on the right track of hopefully meeting a decent candidate for marrriage - and one who is also hopefully well off enough to afford her the kind of life she had before. A KTV is a dead end as far as her prospects are.

Weird I agree - but this is where their relationship's at and he has asked me for my advise/opinion - so this is whey I'm asking Y'all. Thanks
SEAJ

[Wadman]

She is very well educated and had even worked as a manager before finding out that the low pay just could not sustain her whilst trying to help her family out.


I take it "very well educated" = university educated.

With a university education + working experience + previous position as a manager + possible business contacts from her father's now bankrupt business, she should be able to make more than 2000 rmb/month. More Like 4000 rmb/month, maybe more.



He's been with her quite a few times - and now its got to the point where he has "suggested" to her taht she goes back to work at a regular job (they figure it should not be a problem for her to make approx RMB2,000/month) and that although he will NOT "pao" her (2nd wife), that he will provide her with an extra RMB2,000 or so for seeing him most week-ends/occasional weekdays.


When dealing with WGs, IMO the thought process should be pretty simple. Are you getting value for your money? SEA Joe, if your ...uh... friend spends 3 weekends per month with her plus some occasional weekdays, I would say he is getting his money's worth time-wise. He would certainly pay a lot more if he were to hire her at KTV rates.

Service-wise, you have indicated that the sex is quite lousy, but he still likes the overall experience of being with her. Agreed, if you keep a girl for an extended period, sex performance becomes a much lesser issue than doing her ST.

So, it doesn't really matter what the deal is, insofar as to whether she is just "seeing guys" on the side. Disregard the stories, these China chicks have so many... The money spent for services rendered certainly seems reasonable, so go for it. Just be careful that she doesn't start asking for extras after a while.

[SE Asia Joe]

I take it "very well educated" = university educated.

With a university education + working experience + previous position as a manager + possible business contacts from her father's now bankrupt business, she should be able to make more than 2000 rmb/month. More Like 4000 rmb/month, maybe more.
She didn't finish her U Education as her father got into trouble before she could finish. Then she went ahead and got the Manager job but couldn't really make ends meet at that level and having to live in Guangzhou. She was at that job for just a bit under a year before she became a KTV gal. She and my friend are looking thru the internet job postings and figures that approx RMB 2,000 is a more realistic figure for a start,.


When dealing with WGs, IMO the thought process should be pretty simple. Are you getting value for your money? SEA Joe, if your ...uh... friend spends 3 weekends per month with her plus some occasional weekdays, I would say he is getting his money's worth time-wise. He would certainly pay a lot more if he were to hire her at KTV rates.

Service-wise, you have indicated that the sex is quite lousy, but he still likes the overall experience of being with her. Agreed, if you keep a girl for an extended period, sex performance becomes a much lesser issue than doing her ST.

So, it doesn't really matter what the deal is, insofar as to whether she is just "seeing guys" on the side. Disregard the stories, these China chicks have so many... The money spent for services rendered certainly seems reasonable, so go for it. Just be careful that she doesn't start asking for extras after a while.
Very well thought out and equally well put. Fergit the background and the story and just figure out if he's getting his bang for his $$ - and the way you put it - it does seem an OK deal. And the added bonus that he don't need to spend all his time - when he goes up to China to monger - only with a series of uneducated, money grabbing farmer daughters with caloused pussies. How many of you wish that you could at least have something decent to talk about when you're with these gals in China?
SE Asia Joe

[Red Rock II]

Joe,

It seems that you are making a big deal out of this. To me, your friend just contracts out a KTV gal with 2000RMB/month for some weekends. And it is not even a long term contract becuase your friend may terminate the contract any time he wants. He pays month by month. Not too much of difference than signing a contract with Dish Network for some TV programs. The difference is that the service comes through a live person rather than dark, cold TV box. 2000RMB/month may not eough for an exclusive service though. If your friend really wants her to be there for him ONLY, buy her a nice apartment, a car, and at least 6000RMB/month.

RR

[SE Asia Joe]

Joe,

It seems that you are making a big deal out of this. To me, your friend just contracts out a KTV gal with 2000RMB/month for some weekends. And it is not even a long term contract becuase your friend may terminate the contract any time he wants. He pays month by month. Not too much of difference than signing a contract with Dish Network for some TV programs. The difference is that the service comes through a live person rather than dark, cold TV box. 2000RMB/month may not eough for an exclusive service though. If your friend really wants her to be there for him ONLY, buy her a nice apartment, a car, and at least 6000RMB/month.

RR
Yeah - the old fart does know all this - but what I worry about is the fact that he SEEMS to only just want to genuinely help this girl out and get her back on the right track. Something about "a nice girl like her needs a break." He could easily "Pao" her and have done so in the past with others - but with this girl, he is not interested in having her exclusive services/seems to only want to do her a favor.

I mean, he told me that the sex was lousy, that given the choice he'd rather bang others. Is this guy getting senile? Or, that he's trying to repay back for his usual moral turpitude? or WHAT???
SE Asia Joe

[Neuromancer]

Yeah - the old fart does know all this - but what I worry about is the fact that he SEEMS to only just want to genuinely help this girl out and get her back on the right track. Something about "a nice girl like her needs a break." He could easily "Pao" her and have done so in the past with others - but with this girl, he is not interested in having her exclusive services/seems to only want to do her a favor.

I mean, he told me that the sex was lousy, that given the choice he'd rather bang others. Is this guy getting senile? Or, that he's trying to repay back for his usual moral turpitude? or WHAT?

SE Asia JoeMaybe this KTV girl has graduated to an entirely higher tier of WG skill, the type that NY governors pay $1000 per hour for? While her whole story may be just another scam and despite the lousy sex, if she provides all of the other services in a top notch standard.

Hey, I'm sure that Spitzer was more than happy paying $1000 per hour - until he got busted of course.

I would have to agree with a prior post, I don't think that RMB2000/month is an unreasonable price to pay if you truly enjoy the girl's company and you plan to spend several evenings a month (say 5 or 6) with her.

[Old Mean Dog]

Yeah - the old fart does know all this - but what I worry about is the fact that he SEEMS to only just want to genuinely help this girl out and get her back on the right track. Something about "a nice girl like her needs a break." He could easily "Pao" her and have done so in the past with others - but with this girl, he is not interested in having her exclusive services/seems to only want to do her a favor.

I mean, he told me that the sex was lousy, that given the choice he'd rather bang others. Is this guy getting senile? Or, that he's trying to repay back for his usual moral turpitude? or WHAT???
SE Asia Joe


Maybe your friend is just a really nice guy and wants to help out this girl. Simple; no posession, no ownership, no strings.

-CPE

[TenthFloor]

Yeah - the old fart does know all this - but what I worry about is the fact that he SEEMS to only just want to genuinely help this girl out and get her back on the right track. Something about "a nice girl like her needs a break." He could easily "Pao" her and have done so in the past with others - but with this girl, he is not interested in having her exclusive services/seems to only want to do her a favor.

I mean, he told me that the sex was lousy, that given the choice he'd rather bang others. Is this guy getting senile? Or, that he's trying to repay back for his usual moral turpitude? or WHAT?

SE Asia JoeIt seems everything she is doing is lousy, not only the sex.

Didn't finish education ( because her father went bankrupt!!!: just a lame excuse). Failed in her job (what's the excuse here: the colleagues were not nice, my boss was not nice, the work was so difficult, I had to be in the office before 10 am, LoL). Not even made it as a KTV girl.

She is a looser, maybe not only due to her own fault, also to blame her stupid bankrupt family, who spoiled her too much. Just relying on her pretty face, nice body and sweet talking.

On the other side the RMB 2000 are really not a big issue considering the service provided.

[OldAsiaHand]

SE Joe,

I am always skeptical about these arrangements. I used to bang a freebie in SZ that had a HK "old fart" paying the bills and coming up on weekends. She worked for a securities company and had a nice apartment paid for by the BF, no car though. Eventually, when she realized that there was no future in our relationship, it ended.

If your friend can live with the reality that he is not the only guy doing her and 2,000 RMB per month is enough value for the time and action he gets, go for it. The rest is all senility as you suggest.

What usually happens, as you are well aware, is that the "old fart" (no offence intended) falls in love with the girl. The 2k becomes 10k, plus a house, car, "a business proposition", etc. Eventually, the girl will find a real partner and it will be over.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Red Rock II]

Joe,

If your friend just wants to genuinely help this girl out and get her back on the right track, he is a good man and it is nothing wrong with that. I would not stop him from doing it. Just tell him not to get pissed off if it doesn't work, or may remind him of the story "farmer and snake" and the bite will be on his heart.

RR

[Sammon]

Many hong kong Sugar daddies used to keep young chinese girls paying for apartment, expenses etc.
Now that kind of China has changed. The girls have found out they can make more money by other ways than being a plaything. Espeicially if the girl is young and beautifull she can work in a karoake bar and make lot of money.
But you can still get some plain girls if you are going to take care of them.
Be ready to accept their other relationship when you are not there.

[JoseMarti]

What do you do if a KTV girl wants to marry you and have kids?

Well, here is a link to my previous posts about her: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=698126&postcount=1460


So I was in Beijing a month ago for about 5 days. She met me every single night during that time. She never asked for money. I paid her before I left. During that time once, she met me at my friends place where there were 3 guys and 2 girls. I was waiting there for her. She got really really upset as she was jealous to see 2 other really hot women there :)

Anyways....here is my story from last week.

Again I was only in Beijing for 5 nights. She wanted to meet me as soon as I landed. She came to my place immediately at 6:30pm. During the time between my two visits I noticed that her English had gotten better. Turn out she bought an English to Chinese electronic dictionary to talk to me. So we had some dinner then headed to my place. We talked a bit and had a wonderful night together.

I gave her the gifts that I got her. Some perfume and a cute shirt.

During the 5 evenings/nights with her she kept saying she wants to "make baby". She said our baby would be beautiful. Then she brought up going to meet her mom and then she brought up wanting to marry me every night. I told her I was not ready and would probably be ready in 2 years. She said she would wait.

I would head to work at 9:30 am every day and she would stay at my place till about 6pm and then go to work and return back to my place at 1am.

On the last day we got up at 1pm, I went out for some work for a few hours, got back and then went out for dinner and returned back to my place. During dinner she was getting SMSs and said her classmate wanted to marry her and she was saying no to him because she wanted to be with me.

We chatted and made love most of the night. We got up at 6am, I got dressed and we headed to the airport. She came with me to drop me off. This time again, I put cash in her purse before leaving. We kissed good bye.

It's been 3 days now. I got this in an email today: 我觉得我没有办法和你分开,我想永远和你在一起,你想吗?有个男人向我求婚,难道你不介意我和其他男人结婚吗?

So..... is this a bunch of BS?

-Confused JM

[Ragnarok42]

What do you do if a KTV girl wants to marry you and have kids?
It's been 3 days now. I got this in an email today: 我觉得我没有办法和你分开,我想永远和你在一起,你想吗?有个男人向我求婚,难道你不介意我和其他男人结婚吗?

So..... is this a bunch of BS?

-Confused JM

My 2 RMB?

Dump her like last weeks leftover fish. I have had similar encounters like yours, some WG I had a great time with all of a sudden wants to be my girl and have children with me (and she knows I am already married). Many Chinese girls will latch on the the first man (and if he is foreign its a plus) that shows them any degree of respect or kindness. Not that I dont enjoy the time we have together, but you dont have to buy the cow in order to get milk.

And then come the "used car salesman" tactics, she starts getting either weepy or telling me that so many other men want her. I once was told that 2 men had already offered this girl i knew 20000 a month to keep her, so why couldnt i accept her for nothing? Starting to sound familiar? They must be getting these ideas from a guidebook or something, all of them sound alike ;-)

So enjoy your time together but cut it off. It will hurt and be confusing at the beginning, but the pain and confusion is relatively short compared to what would happen if you actually married her. Stay tough and strong.

Good luck to you buddy.

Rag

[Mock A Bee]

What do you do if a KTV girl wants to marry you and have kids?

...It's been 3 days now. I got this in an email today: 我觉得我没有办法和你分开,我想永远和你在一起,你想吗?有个男人向我求婚,难道你不介意我和其他男人结婚吗?

So..... is this a bunch of BS?

-Confused JM

JM,

Many girls would love to marry you! hahaha! Seriously! A lot of these girls hope to find a sugar daddy, and call it quits, get married and have kids. Many still assume foreigners are all rich, and in relative terms, considering earning potential, education, and so forth, foreigners are very well off by comparison to the average Chinese citizen. I do emphasize average.

On the other hand a lot of these girls just want to make money off of you.

However, it would not surprise me if she really does want to marry you mostly because you will take her our of poverty.

If you think you can marry a KTV girl after only knowing her for 5 days, go for it. I doubt it will be a successful marriage, but who knows?

There are many many issues that lots of guys forget, ignore or don't consider enough: massively differing cultural upbringing (a MAJOR issue discussed on this board), poor education which can make it difficult for your wife to work in a developed country which can be an issue when you move back to your developed home country unless you really are a sugar daddy, lack of sophistication, what do you do when you get sick of living in China?, many Chinese girls prefer the food they grew up on and many don't like western cuisine, language, etc.

Unfortunately, given the nature of the business and the girls it employs, you simply can't trust them, and IMHO I would leave her immediately!

MAB

[Sammon]

My story goes like this.

I went out with some business friends to a Karoake bar in Shenzhen. I met this nice looking girl from Hubei, just 18 years old.
I took her and she stayed every night with me after she finishes work at 1 am. I had to pay only the first night and some other nights to the mamasan because i took her to splendid china, windows of the world etc. She was not flent in english conversation wise but could understand and communicate very well in written english. She even called her parents and make me talk to them and ofcourse they do not speak english and she was translating to the best of her ability.
Pretty soon she became a regular GF. Me and her started looking for an apartment. She wanted me to to pay only for the apartment and the rest of the money she will make for her personal use from the karaoke. She said she do not go with any customers.
Before we made a final decision I had to go away for business for two months. we talked regularly on the phone. Soon she started asking for money for this and that. I clearly told her I will take care of her when I come back.
Few more phone calls and no money changed hands.
When I came back she had changed her phone number and no longer worked at the Karaoke. I guess she found some other sponsor. I still miss her. She was the most beautifull girl I had in china.
Moral of the story is, If you like the girl go ahead and make a committment. Make sure you both can stay together either in your own country or China.
While there is no guarantee of the future on your or her part you will remember the time you were together.
Just because the girl works in a karaoke bar does not mean she is a bad girl. Remember all girls need security in life. If you can provide it with lots of love she will not stray.

[Old Mean Dog]

If you can provide it with lots of love she will not stray.

You seem to have made a a couple of typo's, please allow me to correct it:

If you can provide it with lots of money she might not stray.

;)

-CPE

[Superforce99]

...but you dont have to buy the cow in order to get milk.



Damn, ha ha, Rag, you're the best...


And what's with all the KTV love stories recently? I mean, if you really end up marrying and/or having kids with this type of gal, I wonder how many guys will come right out and say, "Yeah, I met her at a KTV, but she never went home with any customers. Except me."

Ha ha...that sure sounds kosher...


J

[Albert Punter]

My very personal suggestion: keep things going as they are.
Enjoy as much as you can, and drop some money in her purse.
At the end this is what she looks for ...



What do you do if a KTV girl wants to marry you and have kids?
...
She came with me to drop me off. This time again, I put cash in her purse before leaving. We kissed good bye.
...
-Confused JM

[Albert Punter]

MAB, as usual you are 101% right.
I can confirm all your statements.

A few days ago, I was in MSN chatting and all of a sudden and old contact came up and said "Hi". She is a very nice looking, quite educated, quite sophisticated, chinese girl 28 yo.
It was maybe a couple of years I didn't talk to her.
Actually, I was surprised to see her on line because of time: it was night in China.
So, she told me she now lives in Europe, as she married a German.
Obviouly I don't want to bore you telling all details, but it was more than clear that she highly regretted her choice. Nice life she was used to in Shanghai was very far away from quite common life she makes in Germany.
In addition, she struggled with all other issues MAB mentions.
I stress the fact that, by knowing that girl personally, you may think such a girl can handle living in a different culture, but apparently she can't ...

Also, let me tell you that assuming there is real love between you and chinese girl you bring home, all issues that makes her life difficult will affect her love too.



...
There are many many issues that lots of guys forget, ignore or don't consider enough: massively differing cultural upbringing (a MAJOR issue discussed on this board), poor education which can make it difficult for your wife to work in a developed country which can be an issue when you move back to your developed home country unless you really are a sugar daddy, lack of sophistication, what do you do when you get sick of living in China?, many Chinese girls prefer the food they grew up on and many don't like western cuisine, language, etc.
...
MAB

[JoseMarti]

AlbertPunter - thats what I think I am going to keep doing.

She sent me another email asking what she should do if guys ask her to marry her. My answer is going to be: go right ahead if you think the guy is right. If she does...back to the hunt!!!

-JM



My very personal suggestion: keep things going as they are.
Enjoy as much as you can, and drop some money in her purse.
At the end this is what she looks for ...

[Mock A Bee]

So, she told me she now lives in Europe, as she married a German.
Obviouly I don't want to bore you telling all details, but it was more than clear that she highly regretted her choice. Nice life she was used to in Shanghai was very far away from quite common life she makes in Germany.
In addition, she struggled with all other issues MAB mentions.
I stress the fact that, by knowing that girl personally, you may think such a girl can handle living in a different culture, but apparently she can't ...

Also, let me tell you that assuming there is real love between you and chinese girl you bring home, all issues that makes her life difficult will affect her love too.

Yes, as AP points out, if your lovely Chinese wife eventually lives in a new country with you, the cultural and language differences can be tremendous. Few Chinese girls cope well unless they have traveled extensively and have some experience living outside of China. This is extremely stressful for a person - stressful for anyone!

It is absolutely correct that her challenges and issues with dealing with these issues will affect how the marriage goes. It is much easier for a foreigner from a developed country to live in a developing country.

Most foreigners have plenty of education and work or life experience, and confidence (especially since know you can always go back to your home country if things don't work out), and a different outlook on life and the world. Whereas if you are born and raised in a developing country, your outlook on life and preparedness to live in a developed country is quite different and in fact you will be much more of a fish out of water than foreigners living in China would be.

It is a matter of preparedness (and most Chinese women these days are not prepared to deal with the above issues) and it is simply not that easy to go from only knowing what a developing country is like to living in a fully developed country.

As an anecdote, a few years ago, I met one of those so called "sophisticated" Shanghainese woman who married a "rich foreigner husband". They were packing up to leave for San Francisco and she was pretty cocky about the fact that she just thought, "oh, we will have to buy a house when we get there" (they have kids too!). Little did she know that back in the US, her Laowai husband was just a regular chump making a very average salary back home, and as far as homes go, San Francisco is consistently the most expensive city for average home prices in the US (even in today's economic climate). To me it was obvious she was very naive.

MAB

[Bnlee2]

Yes, as AP points out, if your lovely Chinese wife eventually lives in a new country with you, the cultural and language differences can be tremendous. ........ Little did she know that back in the US, her Laowai husband was just a regular chump making a very average salary back home, and as far as homes go, San Francisco is consistently the most expensive city for average home prices in the US (even in today's economic climate). To me it was obvious she was very naive.

MAB

You are so correct. San Francisco is so expensive $1M USD really do not buy you much...maybe a 1,200sqft home in an okay neighborhood. They really do not realize until they are here and then it is way too late to turn back. Most are very naive.

[OldAsiaHand]

The subject of falling in love and marrying a WG keeps coming back. My favorite quote again from my days in Thailand:

"You can take a girl out of the bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl."

I've known many punters that married WG and almost all of them had troubles down the road.

Marriage to a Chinese girl is extremely difficult (I speak from experience) even without a WG mentality. As has been posted, the cultural differences are huge, even if she speaks English fluently. That said, I do not have the experience of living together in a developed country, but I can imagine it would compound the issues even more. Before I got married, I had to promise my wife we would live in China.

All I can say is that if you are thinking about any cross-cultural relationship, be prepared to compromise; alot!

Just my POV.

OAH

[One Wing Low]

Back in the 80s, a Harvard grad student did his thesis on a tribe of roaming aborigines in Brazil's Amazon jungle. The aborigines never had contacts with outside civilization.

The guy spent a few years in the bush to do his thesis, eventually fell in love with and married a 16 year-old girl. He landed a professorship in Princeton afterwards and brought her to New Jersey to start a family. She fitted right in, got her driver's license, taking her 3 kids to schools and shopping ect...

Every other year, the guy would take his family back to the Amazon, waiting around for days for guides to take them into the jungle for his kids to see their grand parents. One year, his wife just got rid of her suburban clothes, donned her loin cloth and melted into the jungle with her old-time sweetheart. The guy was broken and took his kids back to New Jersey. At least he had some 10 years of happiness and astounding first-hand insights into how adaptable humans can be. The whole story was documented by National Geographics.

It proves that it's possible to take a girl out of the jungle, but tough to take the jungle out of the girl. My theory is that whatever feelings and sentiments developed during the adolescent time will stay with the persons forever.

Just try to have a few years of happiness then figure out the next steps.

[Hainanien]

What do you do if a KTV girl wants to marry you and have kids?>>>>>>>>>

I’d laugh with her & look for another…


If she’s a good looking KTV girl, it’s very likely she has a number of guys like you & is looking for more that come for short visits during the year that probably get the same treatment as you & while you/they are in town, she probably won’t go with any other customers, `unless she sees potential future with him, then you’ll hear some story or other explaining why she didn’t show after hours.
An 18 y/o WG… Very good chance she comes from a poor family & didn’t have a good education, her best hope is to catch a rich man anyway she can, Very good chance she’ll not be honest.

Fems here of all backgrounds can be quite ignorant & has only listened to the good parts about moving abroad, choosing to not learn the truth so her fantasy can continue in her mind. Quite often, Chinese have very selective hearing.

Also, if bringing a fem back to your home country, you'll be her only friend for the first months that she can talk with about all the new things that Will be much different than she expected. So, it's pretty important that you actually Are friends going into it!

Neither of you will be on holiday once you get there, where enjoying the better things in life are relatively cheap & you get the special treatment often gave to non-Chinese while in China, you'll need to go to work everyday & live your `life as normal... but for her, it will be everything but normal & surely Not easy for her to deal with her fantasy bubble being busted by reality of the daily grind.
Very important to be honest about who/what you are & being Sure she understood Before bringing a fem back.

Another thing to keep in mind, If she is a WG here, she has Already rationalized doing so in her mind to make it something acceptable to do. She will be / is interested in that side of life & knowing how to locate that world anywhere is easy for those into it. Once in your country, she’ll see the going rates & surely get some offers in her daily life from the home crowd, even if not looking. Unless you Can provide the life in said country she visualizes before going, it will quite possibly be difficult for her to pass on the considerably high pay availably to attractive Asian girls in western developed countries.

There really are a LoT of truly good girls here that would make a good partner, in every way. IF one is looking to marry & bring back to your home country, IMO, do both of you a favor & find one of the many good girls. With the wonderful bad girls, you’ll both be better off knowing it’s only for fun & you should be paying for your time with her.
But good girls Will take much more time & effort…

[Santa]

It proves that it's possible to take a girl out of the jungle, but tough to take the jungle out of the girl.



Some of us have been very critical of OWL. But, sometimes his posts are very good.

[Santa]

I moved to the USA when I was a teenager, but from a developed country, and with great expectations, and my knowledge of America was based only on Hollywood television programs.

I thought I was moving to the land of Batman and the Beverly Hillbillies.

I met lots and lots of Hillbillies, but I couldn't find that blond Beverly Hills girl. What was her name? Elly May? The cute dumb blond with the big tits.

Actually, my first girlfriend in the US was a blond with big tits, she was good, but she wasn't as hot or nice as Elly May.

If you take a Chinese girl to your home country, the reality, for both of you, will be very different from the fantasy. She might be expecting the pool, the big car, rich boyfriends (besides you), and lots of fun. Maybe?

[Old Mean Dog]

I have heard many thoughts on cross-culture marriages and it is always funny to hear from both sides of the house. My top 3 from both sides are:

Woman

1. If I marry an American the US Government will give me money each month for the rest of my life.

2. All Americans are rich, this is done with the currency conversion calculator built into Chinese girls. 50k USD per year is 350k RMB great life, but she forgets she will be living in San Diego not Shenzhen and 50k in San Diego ain't shit.

3. America is the land of Milk-n-Honey and is a perfect life 24/7/365.

**Try selling that bullshit now to a girl I knew. She was a beautiful, early 30's gal from Southern China who was working at a 5 Star Hotel in SZ as a manager. She threw it all away on a late 40's guy who worked as an airport security screener way up north, had never been married and lived with his parents. She is now a p/t maid, p/t nurse and f/t slave for them. She rarely see's another Asian, let alone Chinese and is living in a rural area with very extreme winter conditions.

Guys

1. My gf in China is 20-30 years my youth, she loves me and will continue to be with me when I bring her to the USA....hahahahaha

2. She speaks some English and will fit right in. Besides, there is a Chinese Buffet in my town and the people working there look Chinese, so she has automatic friends......I would love to beat some sense into these idiots.

3. I am her Knight in Shining Armor, her savior. I am rescuing her from a dreadful wretched life. Legend in his own mind, but a loser in real life....

**Unless your going out to some rural areas in China to find a bride, most likely, she is going to be at least a semi-educated person from a larger city.

My Way of Thinking: If you want a Chinese wife, then find one willing to stay in China and move your arse here. Otherwise, if you take her to the USA (or wherever), your taking the Chinese out of the girl.

-CPE

BTW: If a man only marries a girl because she fucks good in bed is a fool, a man who marries a girl just because she is "hot" is a shallow fool and both better be ready to be screwed themselves.

[LoveAsia]

My Way of Thinking: If you want a Chinese wife, then find one willing to stay in China and move your arse here. Otherwise, if you take her to the USA (or wherever), your taking the Chinese out of the girl.

-CPE

A truer word has not been spoken.

[Phil1980]

My Way of Thinking: If you want a Chinese wife, then find one willing to stay in China and move your arse here. Otherwise, if you take her to the USA (or wherever), your taking the Chinese out of the girl.

-CPE



I would love to move to China permanently, just because of the girls. The problem is how to find some kind of job in China.

Just out of curiosity, what are the expats here who are residing permanently in China doing professionally?

[Ira Johnson]

Just out of curiosity, what are the expats here who are residing permanently in China doing professionally?Teacher. Teacher, teacher, teacher. That's a popular job.

All I needed was my college degree and my ability to speak English as a native. Some places ask for a special degree of certificate, but many of these accept even less qualifications than I have.

The desire for children to learn English is a huge boom. And other opportunities have arisen since I arrived last year. Now, I am working in creative media and writing my novel, and I am loving the adventure of living here.

I'll keep my US nationality, but I will make China my home now.

[Phil1980]

Teacher. Teacher, teacher, teacher. That's a popular job.

All I needed was my college degree and my ability to speak English as a native. Some places ask for a special degree of certificate, but many of these accept even less qualifications than I have.

The desire for children to learn English is a huge boom. And other opportunities have arisen since I arrived last year. Now, I am working in creative media and writing my novel, and I am loving the adventure of living here.

I'll keep my US nationality, but I will make China my home now.


The problem is I'm German, I don't know whether they would accept me as an English teacher. Most of the teacher job offers ask for native language speakers from some English-speaking country.

I'll graduate from medical school soon, is there any possibility to work in China as a physician? My Chinese is about at HSK Level 6. Maybe in a couple of years I could find a job in some expat hospital for foreigners?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

The problem is I'm German, I don't know whether they would accept me as an English teacher...
If your students' can tell the difference then they don't need an English teacher. They may prefer you over a non-white native speaker, since your physical appearance will be closer to what they imagine an English teacher should look like.

[FernandoAlonso]

You know what they pay English teachers. Also for doctors there are so many returnees it is not easy, even if they accept German degrees, what I doubt. Best is still to get in via a foreign company, but fresh from university may not be easy, speaking Chinese may be an advantage.

[Phil1980]

If your students' can tell the difference then they don't need an English teacher. They may prefer you over a non-white native speaker, since your physical appearance will be closer to what they imagine an English teacher should look like.


I'll write some feedback next year.

[OldAsiaHand]

Unless you have a degree in education from a reputable university, you don't make any money teaching English in China; most earn only around US$1,000 a month. If you just want to live in China for the experience, go ahead and teach English. If you want to make a decent living, forget about it. Even if you are a real teacher, starting salaries at international schools are only around US$2,500 per month.

Just my POV.

OAH





Teacher. Teacher, teacher, teacher. That's a popular job.

All I needed was my college degree and my ability to speak English as a native. Some places ask for a special degree of certificate, but many of these accept even less qualifications than I have.

The desire for children to learn English is a huge boom. And other opportunities have arisen since I arrived last year. Now, I am working in creative media and writing my novel, and I am loving the adventure of living here.

I'll keep my US nationality, but I will make China my home now.

[Old Mean Dog]

The problem is I'm German, I don't know whether they would accept me as an English teacher. Most of the teacher job offers ask for native language speakers from some English-speaking country.

I'll graduate from medical school soon, is there any possibility to work in China as a physician? My Chinese is about at HSK Level 6. Maybe in a couple of years I could find a job in some expat hospital for foreigners?

They are so desperate for English Teachers, especially outside of the major cities, they will hire most anyone that can speak English. I don't mean to sound bad, but I have met people from India and Africa who were teaching English and they have such bad accents it was even difficult for me to understand what they were saying.

English Teachers in SZ, with BA, certs and some experience can make 14 to 20k RMB per month. If you will be a doctor soon, then this might be a better way to go. SZ approved the building of a foreigner hospital this past year and several of the hospitals have a foreigner section with an English speaking doctor and nurse. I know a hospital now, that is seeking a foreign doctor and they already have a Canadian and a Japanese doctor.

-CPE

[Phil1980]

Unless you have a degree in education from a reputable university, you don't make any money teaching English in China; most earn only around US$1,000 a month. If you just want to live in China for the experience, go ahead and teach English. If you want to make a decent living, forget about it. Even if you are a real teacher, starting salaries at international schools are only around US$2,500 per month.

Just my POV.

OAH


2500USD? Sounds pretty good considering the living costs in China, maybe like making 10000 in the US.

[Jkw Qrengn]

BTW: If a man only marries a girl because she fucks good in bed is a fool, a man who marries a girl just because she is "hot" is a shallow fool and both better be ready to be screwed themselves.Well, you know, if a man marries a girl for ANY reason and assumes that she will love him forever is a fool. In today's world, unless you want to raise kids, simply don't get married period. For both men and women, marriage has become a leverage for achieving other goals in life. And this chemistry called love can last for only 6 months to 2 years according to scientific researches. So no matter what, if you're getting married, you'd "better be ready to be screwed". This applies to everyone from anywhere, not only a Laowai in China, or a Farang in Thailand.

[FernandoAlonso]

The big difference is WHERE they pay you 2500 USD, e.g. in Shanghai, so that takes away any advantage in terms of cost of living, believe Old AsiaHand, teaching is fine for getting to know the country, but you won't get rich, not with our hobby anyhow.

[Mock A Bee]

The problem is I'm German, I don't know whether they would accept me as an English teacher. Most of the teacher job offers ask for native language speakers from some English-speaking country.

I'll graduate from medical school soon, is there any possibility to work in China as a physician? My Chinese is about at HSK Level 6. Maybe in a couple of years I could find a job in some expat hospital for foreigners?

Western trained physicians with decent medical credentials working in private foreign clinics can earn a very decent living as an expat Dr. You will need a foreign medical license and some solid experience (at reputable medical clinics) to do this. I don't know about minimum language skills requirements, and I am sure it differs between clinics.

Most of the foreign medical clinics in China I have checked out have Physicians with some pretty impressive credentials. You will be competing for jobs with experienced physicians from HK, Singapore, North America, Europe, Australia, who are oftentimes ethnically Chinese and can speak Mandarin quite well, or even natively.

Good luck, MAB

[Mock A Bee]

BTW: If a man only marries a girl because she fucks good in bed is a fool, a man who marries a girl just because she is "hot" is a shallow fool and both better be ready to be screwed themselves.

Why is it that so many guys on this board want to get married to a hottie who "lusts for endless hot sex"? Aside from nymphomaniacs, of which there are few out there, I think this is impossible to find.

It seems to me that you should just have sex with a young fresh hottie regularly, be with her for as long as she is good, then dump, her... wash, rinse, repeat....

As has been said infrequently on this board, but on occasion, most of these girls only have a ten year shelf life and their goal is completely different than most men.

Most men want hot non-stop sex with a hottie, all the time.

Most of these girls just want a secure, comfortable and decent life, have a few kids, then die of old age after being taken care of by their children.

However, many if not most of the girls who are in the sex trade are either in the business for money (often to support their very poor family), to find a sugar daddy or both.

These girls are simply using sex as a lure to find a mate or money because they ALL know that most men think with their little head first.

They use sex as their bait because they don't have other suitable bait to trap you, pure and simple.

How else can they attract you? Is it their incredible personality? or their ability to discuss world politics and finance and debate issues with you? or is she an incredibly successful and independent businesswoman who just wants to fuck?

Or maybe she just wants to cook and clean for you all day? Maybe, and you are ok with that. Isn't that what you have an ayi for?

But just remember, most of these girls don't age well, and only have a ten year shelf life!

MAB

[Crazy Jim Wood]

I pretty much agree, except most men like to have sex with a lot of hotties. I don't really know if a nympho is always a good idea. I suppose if you can only get one woman it's ok, but she will drain your energy, meaning you'll be fucking only her, and she may get some thing on the side if you can't keep up.
Why is it that so many guys on this board want to get married to a hottie who "lusts for endless hot sex"? Aside from nymphomaniacs, of which there are few out there, I think this is impossible to find.

It seems to me that you should just have sex with a young fresh hottie regularly, be with her for as long as she is good, then dump, her... wash, rinse, repeat....

As has been said infrequently on this board, but on occasion, most of these girls only have a ten year shelf life and their goal is completely different than most men.

Most men want hot non-stop sex with a hottie, all the time.

Most of these girls just want a secure, comfortable and decent life, have a few kids, then die of old age after being taken care of by their children.

However, many if not most of the girls who are in the sex trade are either in the business for money (often to support their very poor family), to find a sugar daddy or both.

These girls are simply using sex as a lure to find a mate or money because they ALL know that most men think with their little head first.

They use sex as their bait because they don't have other suitable bait to trap you, pure and simple.

How else can they attract you? Is it their incredible personality? or their ability to discuss world politics and finance and debate issues with you? or is she an incredibly successful and independent businesswoman who just wants to fuck?

Or maybe she just wants to cook and clean for you all day? Maybe, and you are ok with that. Isn't that what you have an ayi for?

But just remember, most of these girls don't age well, and only have a ten year shelf life!

MAB

[Phil1980]

I think in the case of China the problem is that you can't live together with a Chinese girl as a Westerner unless you marry her or move to China.

Basically, if I look at myself, everytime I'm in China I get to know girls who make my balls pop and show interest, but I know I won't be able to live together with them unless I actually move to China.



Why is it that so many guys on this board want to get married to a hottie who "lusts for endless hot sex"? Aside from nymphomaniacs, of which there are few out there, I think this is impossible to find.

It seems to me that you should just have sex with a young fresh hottie regularly, be with her for as long as she is good, then dump, her... wash, rinse, repeat....

As has been said infrequently on this board, but on occasion, most of these girls only have a ten year shelf life and their goal is completely different than most men.

Most men want hot non-stop sex with a hottie, all the time.

Most of these girls just want a secure, comfortable and decent life, have a few kids, then die of old age after being taken care of by their children.

However, many if not most of the girls who are in the sex trade are either in the business for money (often to support their very poor family), to find a sugar daddy or both.

These girls are simply using sex as a lure to find a mate or money because they ALL know that most men think with their little head first.

They use sex as their bait because they don't have other suitable bait to trap you, pure and simple.

How else can they attract you? Is it their incredible personality? or their ability to discuss world politics and finance and debate issues with you? or is she an incredibly successful and independent businesswoman who just wants to fuck?

Or maybe she just wants to cook and clean for you all day? Maybe, and you are ok with that. Isn't that what you have an ayi for?

But just remember, most of these girls don't age well, and only have a ten year shelf life!

MAB

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Why not? I lived with a Chinese girl in the U.S. for a few years without marrying her.
I think in the case of China the problem is that you can't live together with a Chinese girl as a Westerner unless you marry her or move to China.

Basically, if I look at myself, everytime I'm in China I get to know girls who make my balls pop and show interest, but I know I won't be able to live together with them unless I actually move to China.

[Phil1980]

Why not? I lived with a Chinese girl in the U.S. for a few years without marrying her.


How do you get a girl from say Shenzhen over to Europe without marrying her?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

There are many Chinese already in Europe studying, doing other things. Find one that meets your fancy. I'm sure that there are some from SZ, although I would prefer one with big tits regardless where she comes from.

If there is a particular girl that you want, it might be harder. BUt, if you find another Chinese girl with big tits, and live with her for a while, then you'll forget all about the first girl.

How do you get a girl from say Shenzhen over to Europe without marrying her?

[Phil1980]

There are many Chinese overseas studying, doing other things. Find one that meets your fancy. I'm sure that there are some from SZ, although I would prefer one with big tits regardless where she comes from.

If there is a particular girl that you want, it might be harder. BUt, if you find another Chinese girl with big tits, and live with her for a while, then you'll forget all about the first girl.


My question was: How do you bring a Chinese girl living in China now to Europe without marrying her?

That is the sh*t f*cking problem here. Very easy to meet girls in China, difficult to bring them over withouth marriage or moving to China.

[FernandoAlonso]

Be creative, get her a study place, should be the easiest, get her a tourist visa, get her a job as cook or as aupair. My god if you love her that much search some other forums and you will get all the info, you can even ask the Alien police, they told me how it works for a friend of mine (of course referring to the legal ways! ). Study is normally the easiest BUT I am not sure the gals we are talking about qualify, no offence.

[Raverboy]

My question was: How do you bring a Chinese girl living in China now to Europe without marrying her?

That is the sh*t f*cking problem here. Very easy to meet girls in China, difficult to bring them over withouth marriage or moving to China.

I think that's what Crazy Jim Wood meant.

Enroll her at a school, apply for a student visa, put her up in student housing which then doubles up as your bachelor pad. :D

[Crazy Jim Wood]

I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to do.

It seems like you don't have a particular girl in mind yet, you have just observed random women on the street in Shenzhen and would like to import one yourself instead of hooking up with a Chinese student who is already in Europe.

Have you even tried to find Chinese women in Europe? They are not that hard to find in the U.S., I guess I just assumed they would be equally easy to find in Europe.

You might try studying Chinese, this would push you into the Chinese community, going to Chinatown frequently (most major cities have one), etc.

Trust me, their pussies are the same whether you get em "fresh" off the farm in China or get an import. If anything, due to the immigration process, less desirable ones have to some degree been eliminated, so overseas you get the cream of the crop while in China you have to sift through a lot of chaff.

Well, if you insist on going all the way to China to import your own tea, find a woman with a decent background (not a peasant turing tricks on the street, many of whom have complex problems back at the farm, such as poverty, poor family bacground, a little bastard, etc) who has some property and education and decent family, she should be able to visit Europe.

They have group tours, she can get on one of those and then meet you in Europe for a short period, then she can choose to overstay with you. Of course that is illegal, but no doubt you are better informed than I of the risks and penalties for housing an illegal immigrant in Europe.

If she is of the right age and educational background and inclination to study, she may be able to get a student visa.

Maybe you can get her a job at your hospital, especially if you find yourself a Chinese medical student.

Good luck.


My question was: How do you bring a Chinese girl living in China now to Europe without marrying her?

That is the sh*t f*cking problem here. Very easy to meet girls in China, difficult to bring them over withouth marriage or moving to China.

[Phil1980]

Have you even tried to find Chinese women in Europe? They are not that hard to find in the U.S., I guess I just assumed they would be equally easy to find in Europe.



My impression is the fuglies come to Europe as students. My other impression is that it's easier to find Chinese women in China than in Europe.

Any idea on how to bring one over without marrying her?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

My impression is the fuglies come to Europe as students. My other impression is that it's easier to find Chinese women in China than in Europe.
It may be easier to find Chinese women in China but it's easier to find Chinese women WHO ALREADY HAVE THEIR OWN VISAS overseas.


Any idea on how to bring one over without marrying her?
Sponsor her for a job, get her accepted to a school... or
you could always get her pregnant.

[Old Mean Dog]

Why not? I lived with a Chinese girl in the U.S. for a few years without marrying her.

A few years??, then that makes her a Chinese/American. Different attitude, different outlook and different requirements!

In my experience not even close to being the same kind of person.

-CPE

[Old Mean Dog]

My impression is the fuglies come to Europe as students. My other impression is that it's easier to find Chinese women in China than in Europe.

Any idea on how to bring one over without marrying her?

My PoV:

1. Not always fuglies, but they become tainted when they reach Western soil, even the ones who study abroad and return to China seem different.

2. You are a wise man.....I also think there are many more Chinese women in China, but maybe others can enlighten us ;)

3. Business Visa or Student Visa. I am not up on the EU, but it is very difficult for a single gal from China to get a tourist visa to the USA. On the other hand, if a company could sponsor her and she can provide proof that she would return to China (i.e. owns property, money in bank, business in China) then a business visa would work. If she is still young and a student, maybe she can apply for higher education overseas.

-CPE

[Zhuren]

Any idea on how to bring one over without marrying her?

Visa advice from a German perspective (as I believe this is where Phil1980 comes from.)

General: Visa for young Chinese girl going to Germany (and, due to Schengen, to most of Europe with the same visa) somewhat easier than for the US (= next to impossible.)

All need documentation, and an interview at your friendly Vertretung der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. They outsource these interviews to Chinese who are adept at sniffing out bullshit. If the visa is ever denied, forget ever applying again for a visa in a Schengen country. If the visa is issued: Use it. Used visas with successful returns improve chances of successful re-application.

Longish term stay w/o marriage: Only options are:

- Student
- Language Traning
- AuPair (!!!! Must be at least 18, not older than 25 ...)
- and, would you believe it, Chinese Cook

Details at http://www.peking.diplo.de/Vertretung/peking/de/01/Visabestimmungen/visa__fuer__deutschland__seite.html



For shorter term visa:

- Visitor visa
- Or Business Visa.

Both involve a guaratee on your part: If she goes AWOL while in-country, you pay for all costs she incurred. The potential damage comes close to marrying her outright ...

The paperwork for a visitor visa is extensive: You need to prove income, bank records, and more. (Phil: Your parents may stand better chances of successfully inviting her than you ....)

The paperwok for a business visa is rather limited: You send, on company letterhead, an invitation, stating the reason and length of the stay and, most importantly, that your company will cover all cost for travel and lodging. More data at the URL above. They will check whether the company is legit. If you are trying to invite a 21yo from the pronvinces on a business visa, then you need to provide darn good reasons that survive the smell test.

Sometimes, they will demand a fax directly from Germany to the Embassy. She needs to be gainfully employed here, and needs a letter from her current employer releasing her for the stated period. She also needs health insurance, which is usually peddled outside of the Embassy or Consulate ...

One of the perks of having a WOFE with a European parent is that you can invite your Chinese employees for "strategy discussions" to Europe. As long as they come back in due course, nobody minds what strategies are being discussed. If they get lost and overstay, your ass is grass.

Since Phil is a medical student as I believe, the discussions above are somewhat academic. A family with two children, upstanding members of the Deutsche Handelskammer in China, regular guests at Paulaner and sponsors of the annual Weihnachtsfeier will have little problem taking their ayi to Germany, "because the children would be devastated without her." A student employing an aupair - my eye. Student, language course and even cook need prior qualifications and extensive documentation. A Chinese cook can only be imported by a Chinese restaurant.

(Between you & me, Phil: Re-orient your activities to Japan. JP girls are seriously interested in sex & romance with handsome European guys who treat them better than their chauvinistic males. Their dads typically have money, and they don't need a visa to stay in Europe for up to six months. And should you want to marry them, they make the best wives in the world.

They age better, are cultured, and don't get 'tainted' as easily. I have one, I try my best to spoil her, but generally, I fail. Maybe it's a trick to reel me in. But the trick has been on-going for years now. For a taste, go to Duesseldorf. Has the most native Japanese in Germany. However, most you will see there are married to Japanese salarymen on 2 year stints. Head for Tokyo & Roppongi instead.)

[Crazy Jim Wood]

I agree with Zhuren on Japanese being easier, probably also a little more advanced in practice of the hentai arts than Chinese as well.

Of course, Chinese women are physically quite different from Japanese, so if it is purely a physical attraction to Chinese women I guess that might be an issue.

CPE, I really don't understand the "taint". A year or two overeseas is not going to make a Chinese peasant appreciate the refinements of western civilization -- it is barely enough time to wash some of the dirt from between their toes and learn some western ideas of hygiene.

What does happen is a student visa, which means 5 years (4 years in school and 1 year working in the U.S.) to find a green card and leaves a woman more interested in dating for sexual pleasure and other amusements and not just to land a future husband, might make a woman more picky.

A lot of times the pressures of life in China can distract the woman from natural pleasure and encourage her to fake it.

If anything, a Chinese women overseas is likely to be much more liberated and natural in her feelings than she is in China. In the long run this is good: you want to see what the West is going to do to her, you want to see what she really thinks once her number one concern of getting the hell out of China has been met.

Besides, Phil is planning to bring this woman overseas anyway, so she will soon be "tainted" anyway.

[Zhuren]

I agree with Zhuren on Japanese being easier, probably also a little more advanced in practice of the hentai arts than Chinese as well. .

You bet they are, Amaterasu (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/amaterasu.html) and Uzume (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/u/uzume.html) be praised. According to Japanese belief, the world had been saved from eternal damnation by a stripper.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

I remember it like it was yesterday.
I arrived on campus on a motorcycle. I had all my wordly belongings strapped on the back of it with frayed bungee cords. I had no where to sleep, and I was taking a nap spread-eagled on the lawn in the middle of the campus in stinking, unwashed leathers and some big-hair heavy metal band t-shirt.
I saw her walk by in the distance, in a summer dress, this Chinese exchange student. Our eyes met. She seemed intrigued but scared.
I met her again later and she realized I was a student and not just a derelict vagabond.
She let me stay in her place since her roommate was gone. Two hours later my tongue was down her throat and my hand was up her shirt, but she was 'traditional' so I couldn't fuck her that night and had to sleep in her roommate's bed. I had a nocturnal emission all over her roommate's bed. But I fucked the Chinese exchange student the next morning. On her roommate's bed, splooging on top of the noctournal emmission to hide the 'shame'. Being young, I was still concerned about things like this. My economic situation at the time, if anything, was worse off than hers. I lived with her and avoided buying sheets, pillows, towels, dishes, etc. She could also cook, these sugar-tomato-omlettes.
Then her Chinese friends and I would play Spades all night, and I would go back and fuck her. Glorious days of youth. She didn't seem to be much into oral hygiene and always had fuzz on her teeth, and every now and then there was still a grain of rice stuck to her face a few hours after lunch. Other than that, she was very pretty, very tall (taller than me) but a little slim.
Everyone was after her. I'm sure she fucked around a little, because she was a nympho, but I only showed up in the summers and she was always there for me when I was there, so I was not going to make a big fuss, plus she never really inquired to deeply what I was up to when I wasn't with her. She got upset when I tried to fuck another girl she knew while I was staying with her, and she wanted to hang out with another guy while I was there once and I put the kibosh on that. So we had our understanding.
There was one brief scare when she thought she might be pregnant (we only used the withdrawal method).
She finally got a full time job, her company sponsored her, and no doubt she's now a citizen.
I went out with her for two years, then we fucked when horny for another year, then I don't know what became of her.
However, I never remember her becoming "tainted", she showed a great deal of resilience and imperviousness to the aspects of Western culture that she had no use for, over all a very nice girl whose financial situation was better than mine at the time and no doubt deserving of a better boyfriend than me. She was definitely a girl one could take home if marriage became ncessary (if she had got pregnant, for example) or if one was in a marrying frame of mind.

Now, you go and pick up a girl off the streets in China, one who has been living on the streets and learned some guile, may well have been married once (or more times), she won't become "tainted" in the West, she's just going to get tired of hiding her true nature and she's going to stop hiding it once she figures she doesn't need to hide it anymore.

If you speak Chinese, you'll probably figure it out, get to know her friends and family, be nice to them and they'll for sure give you then inside scoop.

However, if you don't speak Chinese you could be in for a surprise.

So, I really would be careful who I sponsor to the West. If you can chose someone who comes from a good background in China, it is unlikely they're going to go nuts when they get to Europe. Other people, you just don't know.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

More for Phil1980:
I almost forgot: at the same time that I met this girl, there was another student there in my same Chinese class who was also a doctor or completing med school or something, a doctor-to-be if you will.

He went off to China for an extended vacation. His whole intent of studying Chinese was to go to China to find a Chinese wife.

He was very methodical, he spoke Chinese slow as fuck, but he actually understood the tones, which I did not understand until years later. I found out later that my Chinese girlfriend had chosen me over him. He was a nice guy and probably makes a lot more money than I do, but hey, I was in her pants while he was still trying to figure out the proper tones for "ni hao".

I'm not sure what happened to him either.

I know in the U.S. that if you're a respectable man (such as a doctor, lawyer, scholar, etc) Chinese people will really work hard to set you up with Chinese women who come from good backgrounds and will be a good match for you.

If you just want a fuck buddy, by all means choose your own, but if you're serious about finding a nice Chinese women, let your professional contacts know and they will scour the country (Taiwan, Hong Kong, China) to find you the best women with the best backgrounds, then you can choose amongst the ones they find the one that you feel is a good match physically and personality.

Trust me, as a westerner, you won't have the contacts or understanding of Chinese culture necessary to find the best woman.

I bet Taiwan or Hong Kong women would be easier to get visas for, why not try one of those countries?

[Eaglestar]

Ragnarok42, et al,

Rather than clogging up the photo gallery with my response I post here.

Actually I have experienced some 'clingy' freebies but when that happens I just cut them loose. Since I am married and tell all of them that I am this seems to help. They all clearly know that there is no 'future', just the present.

One of the gals I am doing now even told me she does not care if I have other girls but just don't tell her about them. Kind of a nice situation. Likewise she may have other guys for all I know, I don't ask.

This is all about comfort levels and opportunity. Like another poster (sorry I forgot who) said, he is only in China for short periods of time and finds it more convenient to do P4P. Those of us who live here have other options. I prefer the 'freebies' so that is what and who I do.


ES

[Exile]

Since I am married and tell all of them that I am this seems to help. They all clearly know that there is no 'future', just the present.Saying that you are married or involved up front can go either way though is generally a good idea.

If they have a tendency to be the clingy type and are looking for a real relationship, that is as far as you are probably going to be able to get with them.

However, if more is possible and they get involved sexually with you, knowing and understanding your situation, you have potentially hit a gold mine.

Every gold mine that I have hit in the past several years, outside of a small handful, have known the situation before they got into it, or rather, before I got into them.

[China Maverick]

Senior Brothers,

I was wanting to share a situation with all brothers and any thoughts are welcome and thanks in advance

I had a freebee about 7 years back and I had a great fuckin time which lasted for couple of years and she (was a divorcee at that time) knew I was married from the word go! Somewhere down the line she started demanding and thats when I called it quits and she decided to get married again. She has a kid now.

We lost touch for some time but couple of years back she called me again and we met. She started talking about the past (the local chicks can really remember dates!) and I tried to check if there was any chance to get into her pants again but she was not reciprocative and I decided to give up and we bid farewell.

After that day; she has been in touch and very recently she has been insisting that we meet again. I am not sure guys; what is she upto? Is she not getting enough sex at home? She is well settled and I dont think she is in for cash?

I would like to get into the bed with her as she is good but not sure what's in store for me?

Any thoughts from our experienced senior bros? thanks in advance

China Maverick

[Mock A Bee]

Senior Brothers,

I was wanting to share a situation with all brothers and any thoughts are welcome and thanks in advance

I had a freebee about 7 years back and I had a great fuckin time which lasted for couple of years and she (was a divorcee at that time) knew I was married from the word go! Somewhere down the line she started demanding and thats when I called it quits and she decided to get married again. She has a kid now.

We lost touch for some time but couple of years back she called me again and we met. She started talking about the past (the local chicks can really remember dates!) and I tried to check if there was any chance to get into her pants again but she was not reciprocative and I decided to give up and we bid farewell.

After that day; she has been in touch and very recently she has been insisting that we meet again. I am not sure guys; what is she upto? Is she not getting enough sex at home? She is well settled and I dont think she is in for cash?

I would like to get into the bed with her as she is good but not sure what's in store for me?

Any thoughts from our experienced senior bros? thanks in advance

China Maverick

She could be fantasizing about you, she could be horny, she may even want to be friends with you (wow! now THAT would be novel!).

There are so many variables, it doesn't make sense to speculate. After so many years, maybe she is secure and has a good life now, so maybe she doesn't need to play games.

She could be taunting you, or she just wants to remember good times.

ASK HER! - only SHE can truly tell you what she has in mind.

Good luck, MAB

[Clean Gene]

Senior Brothers,

I was wanting to share a situation with all brothers and any thoughts are welcome and thanks in advance

I had a freebee about 7 years back and I had a great fuckin time

I would like to get into the bed with her as she is good but not sure what's in store for me?

Any thoughts from our experienced senior bros? thanks in advance

China Maverick

Dear Ch Mav,
Let me share a couple of my stories.

(1) I supported DanDan thru a couple of years at a University in USA. She married a well off lawyer (of prominent family) and had two kids and a divorce. Contacted me. Said no one loved her like I did. (Her boobs were no longer turgid and responsive, and her twat was a bit loose.) I passed. She has now found a second husband.

(2) I supported A N through a few years at a university in California. Bought her two cars which she wrecked. She hooked up with a young handsome New Zealander, who later dumped her (very promiscuous young lady). She tried to contact me again. I passed, delightful as she was. One day as I was walking to my apartment, I spotted her without her seeing me. I hid, and changed residence. (Good move. I now have a nice place near an artificial lake just outside a provincial capital.)

(3) A capable young lady from Beijing joined a Silicon Valley StartUp. Made a ton of dough. Heard bio clock ticking and wanted a kid. I considered it. But passed. She now has a charming (older) bf (white American) who has distracted her with lots of travel. I hear they are happy.

Good luck.

[Eaglestar]

Saying that you are married or involved up front can go either way though is generally a good idea.

If they have a tendency to be the clingy type and are looking for a real relationship, that is as far as you are probably going to be able to get with them.

However, if more is possible and they get involved sexually with you, knowing and understanding your situation, you have potentially hit a gold mine.

Every gold mine that I have hit in the past several years, outside of a small handful, have known the situation before they got into it, or rather, before I got into them.

I agree and further to my logic, flawed as some might see it, is to separate the wheat from the chaff up front. In this way I am sure I miss out on some good poontang but it certainly clears the air for the future.

Secondly, I tend to focus on married women and they could care less if I am or am not married.

Life is a little complicated and this just seems to make my life more simple. Reduced hassle and bull s**t.


ES

[Ragnarok42]

Since I am married and tell all of them that I am this seems to help. They all clearly know that there is no 'future', just the present.
Like another poster (sorry I forgot who) said, he is only in China for short periods of time and finds it more convenient to do P4P. Those of us who live here have other options. I prefer the 'freebies' so that is what and who I do.



I agree, living in China and visiting are two very different perspectives. When I was living there I had a long, drawn out affair with a married SH girl. Started out only with sex but then things got confusing. Long story short we parted on good terms.

From then on I try to avoid any freebies where I live. Prefer to pay and leave. Some of the WGs I know become regulars and call me when they are horny and want me to "stratch their itch". No more freebies for me, learned my lesson the last time.

Good luck all.

[Albert Punter]

Put her on a organized group tour so that she can get visa.
When in Europe, she can leave the group and spend time with you, joining the group at the moment of leaving back.
I know some people do it already.


My question was: How do you bring a Chinese girl living in China now to Europe without marrying her?

That is the sh*t f*cking problem here. Very easy to meet girls in China, difficult to bring them over withouth marriage or moving to China.

[China Maverick]

Thanks for the advice.

I guess I am gonna give it a try and check out; what she has in mind but I am not sure if I want to go direct? Earlier, she would share everything under the sun but now she seems to be a little reserved but I know for sure that she is really hot and maybe she misses my little brother?and/OR its the typical Chinese thing not to show emotions?

Brothers - Any suggestion on the approach?

thanks,

CM

[Zhuren]

Put her on a organized group tour so that she can get visa.
When in Europe, she can leave the group and spend time with you, joining the group at the moment of leaving back.
I know some people do it already.

Punter: Doing so drives the tour guides in a tizzy. They are always dead scared of "losing" someone in their group - which would close down the operation at home. Anyway, Phil changed his plans already. He wants to come to China LT. See the General section.

[Ira Johnson]

I'm a damn idiot, but for the life of me I cannot determine where to go to read tips, suggestions, success stories, hints, etc. for Chinese Friend Finder. I got my membership, but have had little success yet.

I wish there was a forum just for that, but for now can someone please suggest where I should begin reading?

[Albert Punter]

If such is the case, just browse Eaglestar's posts.
He is a master in picking girls thru that website.
If my memory serves me well, he posted some time ago a lot of good hints.


I'm a damn idiot, but for the life of me I cannot determine where to go to read tips, suggestions, success stories, hints, etc. for Chinese Friend Finder. I got my membership, but have had little success yet.

I wish there was a forum just for that, but for now can someone please suggest where I should begin reading?

[Albert Punter]

Well, tizzy or not tizzy, I confirm some chinese business people who cannot get business visa just go to europe as tourists, do their business and go home.


Punter: Doing so drives the tour guides in a tizzy. They are always dead scared of "losing" someone in their group - which would close down the operation at home. Anyway, Phil changed his plans already. He wants to come to China LT. See the General section.

[Ragnarok42]

If such is the case, just browse Eaglestar's posts.
He is a master in picking girls thru that website.
If my memory serves me well, he posted some time ago a lot of good hints.

Does Eaglestar live in China (BJ). That makes a huge difference on the ease of picking up freebies. That and if you are white or not ;-)

That is actually the most important factor.

[Lao Ma]

From Eaglestars posts and pictures, he appears to be old, white, and hairy.

Which gives me hope :)

[SE Asia Joe]

From Eaglestars posts and pictures, he appears to be old, white, and hairy.

Which gives me hope :)
You look at a 60 year old guy - he's a young guy if you're 70, 80 or 90 years old.

The same guy is an old guy if you're in your 20's or 30's.

On the other hand, to ALL the xiaojies - we are ALL young studs!!

Or at least.... they make us feel like we are indeed young studs don't they?!

SEAJ

[Wadman]

On the other hand, to ALL the xiaojies - we are ALL young studs!!

Or at least.... they make us feel like we are indeed young studs don't they?!
SEAJ

Only if you take Viagra

[SE Asia Joe]

Only if you take Viagra
Hrmmmph... Viagra??? How crass??!
Cialis is better!!
SEAJ

[Eaglestar]

Does Eaglestar live in China (BJ). That makes a huge difference on the ease of picking up freebies. That and if you are white or not ;-)

That is actually the most important factor.

I live in Shanghai but it does not make any difference. I experienced much the same success when I lived in Beijing some years ago I just was not a member of the forum at that time.

I am well over 60 and have more hair in the crack of my ass than I do on my head. None of the ladies care.


ES

[Ragnarok42]

I live in Shanghai but it does not make any difference. I experienced much the same success when I lived in Beijing some years ago I just was not a member of the forum at that time.

I am well over 60 and have more hair in the crack of my ass than I do on my head. None of the ladies care.


its not about age, not about looks and certainly not about hair (wherever it appears) - its about confidence.

Keep up the great scores Eaglestar and look forward to your pics.

[The Tanuki]

Hrmmmph... Viagra??? How crass??!
Cialis is better!!
SEAJ
I agree 500% that Cialis rocks. No headache, just a woody that stands the test of many drinks and allows a lovely maiden to ride for a helluva long time. Woo Hoo!

Tankuki

[Parsival]

Hello,

What to bring to a date with a chinese woman?

I know, not a white flower. But what else?

[Albert Punter]

I used to pick up freebies even when not living in China.
This is not a factor IMHO.
I reckon only factor is your attitude in approaching girls.


Does Eaglestar live in China (BJ). That makes a huge difference on the ease of picking up freebies.
...

[Loveasiangirls]

I used to pick up freebies even when not living in China.
This is not a factor IMHO.

I reckon only factor is your attitude in approaching girls.I travel to China often and rarely use WG. I have more freebies than I can handle and need to organize my schedule. The challenge is trying to find an excuse why you can't see her the next day although in some cases I will spend my 2-3 days in a city with the same girl. Sometimes you will have dinner only as they won't go back to your hotel but it is a lower probability if you have enough candidates as you focus on the "sure thing". I am in my early 50s and girls are between 23 and 40.

I have not scored to much with AFF while these girls are are sure thing, I think there are too many guys there. I had more success on Asian Friend Finder, Chinese Kissses or Plenty of fish or classifieds on Chinese web sites. Most of these girls are looking for a serious relationship. So you need to spend some time to make them comfortable on MSN as they are horny any ways. Do not bring up sex early with them or they will run away. You need to play it cool. Once they are comfortable, I only talk about kissing. Actually I almost never talk about sex unless they bring it up. I think they like this innocence. One thing is sure, you need to make a good investment of time on MSN. Right now I have over 50 girls on MSN and have already scored half of them. Some I could not meet last time as my schedule was too full. I guess I need to go back soon.

[SE Asia Joe]

I used to pick up freebies even when not living in China.
This is not a factor IMHO.
I reckon only factor is your attitude in approaching girls.

FREEBIES!!! What is YOUR definiton AND experience of Freebies? Perhaps another discussion on freebies when the weather is so gloomy all over Southern China, The wind has driven all the Beijinger favorites to the calm of Ulan Bator and The Olympic torch will soon extinguish most plain ole mongering activities in our beloved Middle Kingdom. Perhaps for the next few months we may be forced to get back into the pursuit of these elusive and definitely improperly defined Freebies!

In my previous incarnation as a younger man, I used to just go out and wine and dine my younger still quarries, eventually bedding them down and getting rid of them by my self imposed deadline of 3 months per affair.

I HAD always prided myself at not having to actually pay for my sexual antics in my younger past and had actually thought of my suppossed "conquest" of these assorted lovelies as being Freebies. Upon reflection though, these old conquests of mine had actually cost me a helluva lot more than nowadays when I pay for it. Wining and dining at top spots and bedding them down in hotels in Hong Kong (instead of "unacceptable to decent gals" Love hotels) is NOT cheap. I found out then that the higher the "quality" or societal standing of the gal, the more I needed to spend, opening bottles of champagne, snuggling at discreet, dark and romantic places - plus of course all them trinkets, and actual cash gifts for them to go out and buy themselves some nice underwear or lingerie etc. All this adds up to serious $$.

And yes, these days I still intersperse my P4P trysts with feeble attempts at trying to get what I perceive as being "possible freebies." But I too soon tire of the chase as these days I feel that these freebies are just not worth the trouble and more important - TIME - to pursue in earnest.

Tightway usually gets his Freebie gals bedded by the first date.

Bnlee has 2 freebies locked away somewhere.

AG says he got freebies all over the place.

OAH pounces on each and every opportunity to get it on for free

Superforce/SuperJohnny don't mind ANY gal just so long as he gets more "meaningful" relationships with his bed partners.

Eaglestar - need I say any more about everybody's hero?

Lao Ma - got inspired by Eaglestud and now has hope

Santa don't care.

Loveasiangirls have over 50 girls on MSN and have already scored half of them

Red Rock II doth worry

Ragnarok - No more freebies for me, learned my lesson the last time!

The legendary OWL is a legend in his own mind

Wadman don't even try

CPexpat - hmmmmm.... mommies?

Sammy T actually PAYS for his Paybies to leave town

Zhuren don't need them as he's already all set up just fine as it is.

Anybody else I'm missing?

Wanna chit chat about..... nothing?

SEAJ

Ps, Ps Ps.... V.V.V.V.Very important - NOT flaming or making fun of anybody ... so don't come down hard on me. Save your hardness for dem luscious ladiees!

[Red Rock II]

Loveasiangirls,

If you have 50 girls on MSN, what if they show up at the same time? Or you must have 20 different MSN acounts. Since they are serious in finding a husband, what if they ask you to marry them after you had sex with them? Please tell me if you think that I worry too much.

RR

[Wadman]

(Some random ramblings about freebies)
...
Wadman don't even try
...


That's because I don't call them, they call me!!! (unfortunately)

I don't like calling them freebies, I prefer the term "short term girlfriend". The problem with me is breaking up and telling them I no longer want to see them. I have seen girls cry, cry and then cry some more. The pain is real in some cases if the girl thought I was really in love with them and then dump then like excess email in an overflowing ISG mailbox.

Unless there is a possibility for something more serious or meaningful, there isn't that much of an incentive for me to do a girl as a "freebie".
1. As mentioned, it's rarely free because you need to wine and dine.
2. Usually the sex is lousy because the girls are inexperienced, or pretend to be.
3. Getting rid of them always involves a guilt trip for. Even if you didn't make any promises, your attitude sure changes 180 degrees when you dump them.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Hello,

What to bring to a date with a chinese woman?

I know, not a white flower. But what else?
Be sure to bring condom(s)

[Loveasiangirls]

Loveasiangirls,

If you have 50 girls on MSN, what if they show up at the same time? Or you must have 20 different MSN acounts. Since they are serious in finding a husband, what if they ask you to marry them after you had sex with them? Please tell me if you think that I worry too much.

RRI never see more than 10-12 online at the time. They are often busy, or at work so not all will chat. I cannot handle more then 2 or 3 at one time or I go crazy or write in the wrong box. So if I am too busy, I block some.

In terms of some getting serious, I always tell them (eventually) about my intentions not to marry - now. I had one telling me (in my hotel room) that she was really serious and wanted a baby. I told her I would not and could not have a baby (vasectomy). So I ask her "what do we do now, I still want you". To make a long story short we spent the night and I see her every time I travel to Shenzhen. And each time she tells me about her quest for a baby.

I don't want the wining and dining part as I neeed to eat any ways and it gives me company. They are also useful to help me get some stuff done (like bookings) as my mandarin is limited.

I agree with the comment that the quality is uneven. But they are not WG so it is always GFE as they do it because they want to. so they are into it. Once in a while you get a wild one who wants to try things like 3-some with her friend (also non pro).

[Bnlee2]

FREEBIES!!! TIME - to pursue in earnest.

Bnlee has 2 freebies locked away somewhere.

!


SEA Joe

Im one of the luckier ones, one of the freebies is married and the other one is living with her boyfriend of eight years. I let those guys wine and dine them. Im just in it for the hot sex when they come over, no wining and dining here. They both told me that their signif. other are "minute man" .

[The Tanuki]

Be sure to bring condom(s)
And a tab of Cialis, which of course was installed a couple hours earlier...

[Albert Punter]

Here is my definition of freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=713932&postcount=997

This is my last experience with a freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721796&postcount=1459

and related pics http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721799&postcount=2296




FREEBIES!!! What is YOUR definiton AND experience of Freebies?
...

[Eaglestar]

Here is my definition of freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=713932&postcount=997

This is my last experience with a freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721796&postcount=1459

and related pics http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721799&postcount=2296

Excellent, informative post for number 1,000 AP. Congrats

ES

[Mock A Bee]

Here is my definition of freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=713932&postcount=997

This is my last experience with a freebie http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721796&postcount=1459

and related pics http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=721799&postcount=2296

This is an excellent example of a Freebie, as usual from AP.

IMHO, it is the mentality of the girl that makes it a freebie. A WG is in it for compensation because it is a job, simply a way to make money.

A freebie, is a girl who maybe wants to have a little fun, maybe find a BF or Sugar Daddy, but the mentality is "I am not a prostitute", that is for "bad girls". She actually wouldn't mind spending uncompensated time with you.

A ***** OUTRIGHT expects money or other compensation in exchange for sex as a condition to be with you - it is a business transaction pure and simple. Just doing business.

A freebie does not require compensation as a CONDITION to be with you. However, she may like to be courted, and gifts are part of being romantic with her, and doesn't mind being with you, with or without compensation. However she has to feel in her mind "yeah, I could let you penetrate my snatch and I think it will feel good to be with you". Simply there is a certain amount of personal feeling involved, which could be very superficial (I just want to have sex because I am horny) or the girl truly likes you and is looking for a soul mate to further bond with into an institutionalized social contract we call marriage.

MAB

[China Maverick]

Had this strange expereince with one of the Shanghai ladies that I was chatting with. She was looking at NSA fun in one of the personals posting in Craiglist. So replied and started chatting. She claims to have a good job etc so I was more than happy to add on to my freebie list and all was well and we decided to meet on one of my next trips there and then she asked if I was married and when I said I was; she asked for USD 200 in cash! So I asked her if I was single then what? And she said in that case it was free! Hehe.

So I told her that if I had to pay to do the deed then I would rather go by the Shanghai rates!

Some experience!

CM

[SE Asia Joe]

Yanks yanked out... Eurotrash rises...Singaporeans la-la-ing to town....Hongkong-ers vacates second homes....concubines suffer.....

OMIGAWD.... when is this RMB gonna stop rising..... and only against the HK and US$!

The end of the world as we know it

SEAJ

[Eaglestar]

Yanks yanked out... Eurotrash rises...Singaporeans la-la-ing to town....Hongkong-ers vacates second homes....concubines suffer.....

OMIGAWD.... when is this RMB gonna stop rising..... and only against the HK and US$!

The end of the world as we know it

SEAJ

Joe, It is a beautiful world if, like me, you could be paid in RMB.

ES

[SE Asia Joe]

Joe, It is a beautiful world if, like me, you could be paid in RMB.

ES
So how come all dem xiaojies still complain about being poor?
I pay them all good strong RMB's - not one lousy HK or USD$!

Ungrateful li'l beadches!

SEAJ

[AsnDragon]

Rmb is said to appreciate up to 6. 5 to the US dollar by the end of this year. I think the universal problem is that girls are not as satisfied with even the RMB because:

1. They are greedy bitches

2. Can't blame them though cause everything is so damn expensive due to inflation. Even salt went up double in price for no reason.

I think the thing we need to do is lower the girls expectations, instead of allowing them to keep going up.

Places like Swan Lake are upping the ante by demanding 250RMB, sooner or later many other BBS will follow with price increases. Girls now all demand tips for taxi. Wtf? ! I got them from Yalan and my hotel's in Swan Lake! 20 dollar taxi? I'm telling you they will become more greedy!

AsnDragon


Joe, It is a beautiful world if, like me, you could be paid in RMB.

ES

[SE Asia Joe]

Rmb is said to appreciate up to 6. 5 to the US dollar by the end of this year. I think the universal problem is that girls are not as satisfied with even the RMB because:

1. They are greedy bitches

2. Can't blame them though cause everything is so damn expensive due to inflation. Even salt went up double in price for no reason.

I think the thing we need to do is lower the girls expectations, instead of allowing them to keep going up.

Places like Swan Lake are upping the ante by demanding 250RMB, sooner or later many other BBS will follow with price increases. Girls now all demand tips for taxi. Wtf? ! I got them from Yalan and my hotel's in Swan Lake! 20 dollar taxi? I'm telling you they will become more greedy!

AsnDragon

Mid 2001, the Euro/RMB exchange rate was EU 1 : RMB 7.
It is now 1:11.

The reverse is true of the US$ exchange rate which was 1:11 going back to the 80's.

Them lucky Europeans - the next bunch of BSD's


SEAJ

[Old Mean Dog]

Places like Swan Lake are upping the ante by demanding 250RMB, sooner or later many other BBS will follow with price increases.

AsnDragon

Actually, 250 rmb has always been their game, at least for the last 2 years I've been going there. They claim to be a KTV so they use this to justify their price. Just turn around and start to walk and the price will drop to 200 rmb real fast.

Taxi is not mandatory, nor is a tip for those in the Western mindset. AG once said, he saw some of them riding the bus back to the Yalan area, so if she gives you average service and you are compelled to tip, give her the 2 rmb bus fare!

-CPE

[Superforce99]

Mostly a cautionary tale for those out there who are lucky/skilled enough to have freebies/GF and fuck around with p4p on the side...

Similar to many guys, I've been with a few normal gals while simultaneously partaking in the occassional BBS gal or sauna gal. I've covered up for most, not all, of the p4p (I'd estimate about 90% condom usage but BBBJ everytime).

Recently, one of my normal gals (and possibly another) has reported something wrong, probably an STD. To see her worried, physically in pain, and troubled by doctor's visits, etc. makes me feel like a piece of shit. There's a remote possiblity she (they) got the infection from someone else, but doubtful.

With so many STDs out there like syphillis, gonorrhea, herpes, warts, etc. (and I'm not even touching upon about HIV/AIDS) that are easily spreadable, infectious as hell, and can lay dormant/show no symptoms in the host carrier, I hope all you guys out there are more careful, including BBBJs (which I suspect is the source of all this).

Also, ironically enough, I had a chance to check out a sauna girl's throat in very detailed view this weekend (she had a fish bone stuck that she asked me to remove) and it was somewhat hair-raising, since I've gotten more than a few BBBJs from her, to see weird sores, some swelling, and other strange shades of color that probably indicate some disease, yet I'm sure her throat would be on par with most working girls out there...

Anyway to be fucking around with your own health is one thing but to pass it onto an innocent/unwilling person(s) is reprehensible...but all too easy to forget/overlook when living among the young, tight, bountiful pussyland that is China...



SF99

[ABCinLA]

Believe or not guys all over the world do both even in the States. Not all of us even use condoms on freebies (I think its the norm). I myself practiced quick withdrawal. Of course I didn't always make it. Some have been on the pill so long its super difficult for them to get pregnant. BTW IMHO nothing beats the Malaysian Chinese they use to fly to the states for volume of guys they could do in a day (15) plus their down and dirty methods. Some had reps for letting guys pop without condoms.


Mostly a cautionary tale for those out there who are lucky/skilled enough to have freebies/GF and fuck around with p4p on the side...

Similar to many guys, I've been with a few normal gals while simultaneously partaking in the occassional BBS gal or sauna gal. I've covered up for most, not all, of the p4p (I'd estimate about 90% condom usage but BBBJ everytime).

Recently, one of my normal gals (and possibly another) has reported something wrong, probably an STD. To see her worried, physically in pain, and troubled by doctor's visits, etc. makes me feel like a piece of shit. There's a remote possiblity she (they) got the infection from someone else, but doubtful.

With so many STDs out there like syphillis, gonorrhea, herpes, warts, etc. (and I'm not even touching upon about HIV/AIDS) that are easily spreadable, infectious as hell, and can lay dormant/show no symptoms in the host carrier, I hope all you guys out there are more careful, including BBBJs (which I suspect is the source of all this).

Also, ironically enough, I had a chance to check out a sauna girl's throat in very detailed view this weekend (she had a fish bone stuck that she asked me to remove) and it was somewhat hair-raising, since I've gotten more than a few BBBJs from her, to see weird sores, some swelling, and other strange shades of color that probably indicate some disease, yet I'm sure her throat would be on par with most working girls out there...

Anyway to be fucking around with your own health is one thing but to pass it onto an innocent/unwilling person(s) is reprehensible...but all too easy to forget/overlook when living among the young, tight, bountiful pussyland that is China...



SF99

[Manfest]

Mostly a cautionary tale for those out there who are lucky/skilled enough to have freebies/GF and fuck around with p4p on the side...

Similar to many guys, I've been with a few normal gals while simultaneously partaking in the occassional BBS gal or sauna gal. I've covered up for most, not all, of the p4p (I'd estimate about 90% condom usage but BBBJ everytime).
-cut-
I hope all you guys out there are more careful, including BBBJs (which I suspect is the source of all this).

Also, ironically enough, I had a chance to check out a sauna girl's throat in very detailed view this weekend (she had a fish bone stuck that she asked me to remove) and it was somewhat hair-raising, since I've gotten more than a few BBBJs from her, to see weird sores, some swelling, and other strange shades of color that probably indicate some disease, yet I'm sure her throat would be on par with most working girls out there...

SF99

SF99,
This is a great report. I'm a self-confessed germaphobe, I wear condoms EVERYTIME, but on occasion, go for BBBJ just because... then regret it, wash like crazy for the next hour. It has been discussed that HIV is very difficult to trasmit through BJ, but all the other things you mentions, including something permanent like herpes, is possible. If you see open sores, forget about it! Similarly, when I am particularly frisky, I go for the deep kissing (I mostly avoid, just like they do) which almost always results in a sore throat. Great warning and worthwhile repeat topic once in awhile.
M

[Cavechu]

BTW IMHO nothing beats the Malaysian Chinese they use to fly to the states for volume of guys they could do in a day (15) plus their down and dirty methods. Some had reps for letting guys pop without condoms.

ABC,

Any ideas where those Malay Chinese gals plying their trade now that visa restriction slow their flow to USA? Meow used to be very popular with guys. Something like 20 plus a day. That Meow sure got stamina and lean as could be.

[SE Asia Joe]

Mostly a cautionary tale for those out there who are lucky/skilled enough to have freebies/GF and fuck around with p4p on the side...

Similar to many guys, I've been with a few normal gals while simultaneously partaking in the occassional BBS gal or sauna gal. I've covered up for most, not all, of the p4p (I'd estimate about 90% condom usage but BBBJ everytime).

Recently, one of my normal gals (and possibly another) has reported something wrong, probably an STD. To see her worried, physically in pain, and troubled by doctor's visits, etc. makes me feel like a piece of shit. There's a remote possiblity she (they) got the infection from someone else, but doubtful.

With so many STDs out there like syphillis, gonorrhea, herpes, warts, etc. (and I'm not even touching upon about HIV/AIDS) that are easily spreadable, infectious as hell, and can lay dormant/show no symptoms in the host carrier, I hope all you guys out there are more careful, including BBBJs (which I suspect is the source of all this).

Also, ironically enough, I had a chance to check out a sauna girl's throat in very detailed view this weekend (she had a fish bone stuck that she asked me to remove) and it was somewhat hair-raising, since I've gotten more than a few BBBJs from her, to see weird sores, some swelling, and other strange shades of color that probably indicate some disease, yet I'm sure her throat would be on par with most working girls out there...

Anyway to be fucking around with your own health is one thing but to pass it onto an innocent/unwilling person(s) is reprehensible...but all too easy to forget/overlook when living among the young, tight, bountiful pussyland that is China...



SF99
Got a question. Those RMB 10@ sachets for either Female or Male hygiene - usualy available in most China hotel rooms alongside the condom and other various paraphenelia - any use at all? Howzabout similar cleansers easily bought OTC most pharmacies in China (which my gal used to use)?

I also usually bring Listerine with me - and ask the gal to gargle with it after brushing their teeth. Any use?

In fact, is anything of any use to still be able to enjoy the pleasures of BBBJ's? Bareback FS is of course out of the question - but hell - is anything gonna work for BBBJ?

I know for a fact that just BBBJ has on a few occassions caused me "inconveniences." Thus the question.... or perhaps the feeble hope!!

SEAJ

[ABCinLA]

I think the one you're talking moved on to New York City. After 9/11 the same girls who already had visas were for the most part the only ones able to enter lots were turned away at immigration. The group I knew about I think just dissolved or disappeared in late 2006.

ABC,

Any ideas where those Malay Chinese gals plying their trade now that visa restriction slow their flow to USA? Meow used to be very popular with guys. Something like 20 plus a day. That Meow sure got stamina and lean as could be.

[SE Asia Joe]

I think the one you're talking moved on to New York City. After 9/11 the same girls who already had visas were for the most part the only ones able to enter lots were turned away at immigration. The group I knew about I think just dissolved or disappeared in late 2006.
You guys are incredible!

Here you are talking about one, ie, uno, singular Li'l ole gal.....in the States...I think usually charging US$150/pop....most likely over 21 years old..... whre you gotta play cat and mouse with the local LE..... where one has to sometimes wait an hour before getting serviced..... from one particular gal.....on a thread about the going ons in the Middle Kingdom!

Incredible!!

SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

Just read a really humourous report in the surabaya Indonesia thread.
Especially appropriate reading for those thinking about wanting to get serious with a WG!

731187

SEAJ
ps. Apologize if not appropriate here - but just gotta point it out to you guys!

[Superforce99]

got a question. those rmb 10@ sachets for either female or male hygiene - usualy available in most china hotel rooms alongside the condom and other various paraphenelia - any use at all? howzabout similar cleansers easily bought otc most pharmacies in china (which my gal used to use)?

i also usually bring listerine with me - and ask the gal to gargle with it after brushing their teeth. any use?

in fact, is anything of any use to still be able to enjoy the pleasures of bbbj's? bareback fs is of course out of the question - but hell - is anything gonna work for bbbj?

i know for a fact that just bbbj has on a few occassions caused me "inconveniences." thus the question.... or perhaps the feeble hope!!

seaj


those 10 rmb sachets are essentially the same as wet-naps you used to get at kfc (remember those?) and just a bit of water and weak, perfumed alcohol. essentially useless except for earning 90-95% margins for the hotel...

listerine is questionable in terms of help with stds since it is a mixture with only about 30% alcohol and most people don't use it properly/long enough to get effective results (a 5 second swish/spit or a 2 second splash on the meatstick isn't going to get the job done)...although the girl's breath will probably smell fresher.

and, ironically, brushing her teeth makes it easier to transmit diseases because most hotel toothbrushes are made with the cheapest materials, so they are very abrasive and will cause all kinds of small scrapes, cuts, etc. on the gums.

with all the drama i'm going through regarding this situation, i've done a lot of research and become a lot more clear on the risk of this stuff....and it totally takes the stuffing outta me, because i definately love me some bbbj.

so, basically, no more of this "bbbj and then cfs is no problem!" type of ignorant-bliss thinking. sure, bbbj has much lower risk of hiv/aids transmission, but for a range of other stds, it's just as high a risk.

anyway, just something to keep us informed and to approach mongering with our eyes wide open...


sf99

[Cavechu]

You guys are incredible!

Here you are talking about one, ie, uno, singular Li'l ole gal.....in the States...I think usually charging US$150/pop....most likely over 21 years old..... whre you gotta play cat and mouse with the local LE..... where one has to sometimes wait an hour before getting serviced..... from one particular gal.....on a thread about the going ons in the Middle Kingdom!

Incredible!!

SEAJ

and your point is? are you Jackson, the owner of this fine website? i think you had dipped your prong into one too many wg which had warped your sense of being.

[Sammon]

My suggestion is after your mongering trip take a course of antibiotics before you fuck your GF/Wife.
All sexual encounters comes with a risk. Back when I was young I dated this young girl for 6 months and got Siphilis. We practcally did everything but how am I to know she was screwing other people also. Ofcourse this is before condom bacame the norm. At that time I have screwed many girls but I got the disease only from this girl. we both had to go for treatment together. As a student i was working in the Medical lab and was getting tested all the time.
Best way to avoid getting infected by the working girls is have CBJ, Sex with condom, Avoid deep french kiss.
You can also take zithromax for 5 days and the effect will last 20 days. This can help with your mongering trip if the duration is 20 days.
Ofcourse this does not help with HIV, Herpes,Trichoniasis and viral diseases.
Generall i have seen chinese girls especially young girls who are making money on the side are very conscious of the diseases.
No listerine or the sanitary pads will not help you.
The best way to in my opinion is check the temperature of the girl before. If she has some infection usually she will feel hot to touch and that means she is in the infective stage. It is just like people who have a cold with fever they are more likely to infect others.

[Old Mean Dog]

I also usually bring Listerine with me - and ask the gal to gargle with it after brushing their teeth. Any use?

SEAJ

I did some surfing on the benefits of Listerine and besides helping with bad breath, tooth decay, etc. It may also help with nail fungus, lice and dandruff. I also saw a recent movie called "The Cleaner" and Samuel L. Jackson said Listerine was good for cleaning up blood, especially from gun shot wounds that splatter all over the leather sofa and walls ;)

For prevention of STD's, I don't think so.

-CPE

[SE Asia Joe]

and your point is? are you Jackson, the owner of this fine website? i think you had dipped your prong into one too many wg which had warped your sense of being.
Hmmmm....perhaps you've dipped yours in TOO FEW of them over-priced, past-by-expiry-dates rejects?
This thread is about China women - not about the li'l pickins' in the Good Ole U.S. of A!
SEAJ

[SE Asia Joe]

“Get one with a short skirt, then it’s easier to play with her all night” instructed W.

And so I scanned the room for ones with short skirts; and saw this li’l thing, cute as a button, all uncomfortable and appearing not being quite sure what to do with herself.

Hers is not a remarkable story in this land of billions, nor is it, I’m sure, unique. But her combination of youthful naivety, stoic – and actually stupid - acceptance of and fresh good looks prompts me to write this. That in this China Women – opinions and advise thread, you fellow mongers would take time to sometimes reflect upon “our activities.”

Lam ….? …? – she said, as I struggled to understand what her name really was. “LISA, you can call me Lisa!” she proudly exclaimed; her very own name being one of the few things that she can truly be proud of. “And I’m from Guangxi,” one of the poorest provinces in China and right away signaling to me why she’s here.

Off to the loo, she took her bra and panties off and I was ready to party. Oh yeah, I groped and poked and felt her all up – who wouldn’t when with such a young and fresh thing?!

“My first night here – it’s nice huh?” as she ignored my probing her pussy. “Much nicer than my old 1-4-7 place” again showing pride that at least to her, she had “graduated” into this higher class venue. Higher Class? 2-5-8??! And you gotta let any old Tom Dick and Harry full and complete access?? Higher class?

I was amazed that such a good looking gal had actually worked at a 1-4-7 place and asked why she had worked there. And that is how her story unfolded.

Worked at a factory, got seduced by this good looking young guy who told her that his family is well off and thus he didn’t need to work. Spent some serious money on her – serious to her anyways - and then told her that his family disapproved of her and had thus cut off his $$. What to do? Well, why don’t you work at this K-OK where he’s got a couple other “sisters” working also.

“Sisters? Really sisters?” I was incredulous.

“Oh, I know that they’re really not his sisters, but in China, one’s got to accept these kind of things” she said nonchalantly. “But then he beat me up” she said with an equally nonchalant tone.

“Yeah, I’ve only slept with 2 guys then, and the second time I was so tired afterwards that I fell asleep… and the creep took off without paying!” And instead of comforting her when she came home all teary, the guy proceeded to beat her; had to teach her a lesson he said!

And then the Mommie came into our KTV room and all the gals proceeded to completely strip. Lisa followed suit but she really was out of place amongst all ‘em enormous hooters and well worn pussies. Here she was, barely pink nipples on slight mounds of promising firm flesh, pubes barely able to declare her womanhood but still, an ass grown men would swoon at. Amongst all this, she was a trooper, moving awkwardly whilst her “sisters-in-arm” were gyrating and seductively moving to the beat of the music – but again, not really knowing what to do with herself.

All the groping and touching, the rubbing of flesh to flesh, the almost pungent and sweet smell (and I swear I really don't think I was imagining this) that was emanating from all that bare pussies…. All that….did its job on me; and I was raring to “go upstairs”

And go upstairs I did and the experience is still keeping me up and high even as I write this. Fresh young flesh unaccustomed to anything but the rough and crude ways of her young stud or the wham-bam-thank you man technique of her 2 other previous clients. Here I was, faced with a delectable morsel that I was bound and determined to not only enjoy but to enjoy thoroughly…. And it was a true banquet of delicate flavors, of sweetness and freshness, of having her discover new and wonderful experiences, and even of her desperate and ultimately fulfilled “peak of her sexual experience up to now.” Yup – she never had an orgasm until last night she swore. OK guys – I know, I know – but that is how I’d rather think of what I enjoyed last night! So shut-up will-ya??!

Cuddling up, little pecks here and there, a nuzzle, deep longing looks into each other eyes, the warm after glow of a truly satisfying session; she seemed soooo much younger….!

“My boyfriend now is a much better person. He’s a computer worker and is sweet to me” all of a sudden she declared. “Huh? You’ve got another boy now? And does he know you’re working as a xiaojie?”

“Yeah, but he didn’t force me to work here. I’ve got this job myself and I don’t give him all my money – just a couple hundred or so when he needs it.”

That sinking feeling…that gnawing voice that tells me I need to give her advise….that sadness….

Next time…. Perhaps next time when I’ve got more time…. when I don’t need to rush back home… Oh Lisa… Lisa…

SE Asia Joe

[ABCinLA]

Sounds like a future mistress to be saved, educated and nutured. Of all the women in that room she definitely was not into the fun atmosphere.


“Get one with a short skirt, then it’s easier to play with her all night” instructed W.

And so I scanned the room for ones with short skirts; and saw this li’l thing, cute as a button, all uncomfortable and appearing not being quite sure what to do with herself.

Hers is not a remarkable story in this land of billions, nor is it, I’m sure, unique. But her combination of youthful naivety, stoic – and actually stupid - acceptance of and fresh good looks prompts me to write this. That in this China Women – opinions and advise thread, you fellow mongers would take time to sometimes reflect upon “our activities.”

Lam ….? …? – she said, as I struggled to understand what her name really was. “LISA, you can call me Lisa!” she proudly exclaimed; her very own name being one of the few things that she can truly be proud of. “And I’m from Guangxi,” one of the poorest provinces in China and right away signaling to me why she’s here.

Off to the loo, she took her bra and panties off and I was ready to party. Oh yeah, I groped and poked and felt her all up – who wouldn’t when with such a young and fresh thing?!

“My first night here – it’s nice huh?” as she ignored my probing her pussy. “Much nicer than my old 1-4-7 place” again showing pride that at least to her, she had “graduated” into this higher class venue. Higher Class? 2-5-8??! And you gotta let any old Tom Dick and Harry full and complete access?? Higher class?

I was amazed that such a good looking gal had actually worked at a 1-4-7 place and asked why she had worked there. And that is how her story unfolded.

Worked at a factory, got seduced by this good looking young guy who told her that his family is well off and thus he didn’t need to work. Spent some serious money on her – serious to her anyways - and then told her that his family disapproved of her and had thus cut off his $$. What to do? Well, why don’t you work at this K-OK where he’s got a couple other “sisters” working also.

“Sisters? Really sisters?” I was incredulous.

“Oh, I know that they’re really not his sisters, but in China, one’s got to accept these kind of things” she said nonchalantly. “But then he beat me up” she said with an equally nonchalant tone.

“Yeah, I’ve only slept with 2 guys then, and the second time I was so tired afterwards that I fell asleep… and the creep took off without paying!” And instead of comforting her when she came home all teary, the guy proceeded to beat her; had to teach her a lesson he said!

And then the Mommie came into our KTV room and all the gals proceeded to completely strip. Lisa followed suit but she really was out of place amongst all ‘em enormous hooters and well worn pussies. Here she was, barely pink nipples on slight mounds of promising firm flesh, pubes barely able to declare her womanhood but still, an ass grown men would swoon at. Amongst all this, she was a trooper, moving awkwardly whilst her “sisters-in-arm” were gyrating and seductively moving to the beat of the music – but again, not really knowing what to do with herself.

All the groping and touching, the rubbing of flesh to flesh, the almost pungent and sweet smell (and I swear I really don't think I was imagining this) that was emanating from all that bare pussies…. All that….did its job on me; and I was raring to “go upstairs”

And go upstairs I did and the experience is still keeping me up and high even as I write this. Fresh young flesh unaccustomed to anything but the rough and crude ways of her young stud or the wham-bam-thank you man technique of her 2 other previous clients. Here I was, faced with a delectable morsel that I was bound and determined to not only enjoy but to enjoy thoroughly…. And it was a true banquet of delicate flavors, of sweetness and freshness, of having her discover new and wonderful experiences, and even of her desperate and ultimately fulfilled “peak of her sexual experience up to now.” Yup – she never had an orgasm until last night she swore. OK guys – I know, I know – but that is how I’d rather think of what I enjoyed last night! So shut-up will-ya??!

Cuddling up, little pecks here and there, a nuzzle, deep longing looks into each other eyes, the warm after glow of a truly satisfying session; she seemed soooo much younger….!

“My boyfriend now is a much better person. He’s a computer worker and is sweet to me” all of a sudden she declared. “Huh? You’ve got another boy now? And does he know you’re working as a xiaojie?”

“Yeah, but he didn’t force me to work here. I’ve got this job myself and I don’t give him all my money – just a couple hundred or so when he needs it.”

That sinking feeling…that gnawing voice that tells me I need to give her advise….that sadness….

Next time…. Perhaps next time when I’ve got more time…. when I don’t need to rush back home… Oh Lisa… Lisa…

SE Asia Joe

[SE Asia Joe]

Best way to avoid getting infected by the working girls is have CBJ, Sex with condom, Avoid deep french kiss.
You can also take zithromax for 5 days and the effect will last 20 days. This can help with your mongering trip if the duration is 20 days.
Ofcourse this does not help with HIV, Herpes,Trichoniasis and viral diseases.
check the temperature of the girl before. If she has some infection usually she will feel hot to touch
Damn... like I said, feeble hope that there may be somethig else...
Keep it covered, no stray licks, keep drugged up. How is it possible to enjoy...??!!


Listerine is questionable in terms of help with STDs
And, ironically, brushing her teeth makes it EASIER to transmit diseases
So, basically, no more of this "BBBJ and then CFS is no problem!" type of ignorant-bliss thinking. Sure, BBBJ has much lower risk of HIV/AIDS transmission, but for a range of other STDs, it's just as high a risk.

Anyway, just something to keep us informed and to approach mongering with our eyes wide open...


SF99
And having to "approach mongering with our eyes wide open..... OUCH... Double Ouch!
Damn! Mebbe sum of dem Taiwanese and their always trolling for virgin factory gals makes SOME sense!
SEAJ
ps. DAMN!

[Wadman]

“Get one with a short skirt, then it’s easier to play with her all night” instructed W.


Well, obviously get one with a short skirt that looks like she is fun too. Smiling, hopping, dancing. Or ask the mommy which ones are fun. Or get a big titted one, so you can play with her melons at least.



Lam ….? …? – she said, as I struggled to understand what her name really was. “LISA, you can call me Lisa!” she proudly exclaimed; her very own name being one of the few things that she can truly be proud of. “And I’m from Guangxi,” one of the poorest provinces in China and right away signaling to me why she’s here.


Well, Guizhou is a poorer province for one. And there are other poorer ones. She lied to you!



Cuddling up, little pecks here and there, a nuzzle, deep longing looks into each other eyes


Is that what took you so long... Damn, and we all thought you were fecking her brains out. But you were just looking... into her eyes...

[Wadman]

Sounds like a future mistress to be saved, educated and nutured. Of all the women in that room she definitely was not into the fun atmosphere.


The mommy said she was new, second day on the job. Mommy also said to tell her if the girl is not cooperative in the KTV room. I relayed this to SEA Joe, but he was too much of a BSD... I mean, gentleman, to complain.

[Zhuren]

“
That sinking feeling…that gnawing voice that tells me I need to give her advise….that sadness….

Next time…. Perhaps next time when I’ve got more time…. when I don’t need to rush back home… Oh Lisa… Lisa…



Poetry in motion. Thank you, SE Asia Joe.

[SE Asia Joe]

Well, obviously get one with a short skirt that looks like she is fun too. Smiling, hopping, dancing. Or ask the mommy which ones are fun. Or get a big titted one, so you can play with her melons at least.

Well, Guizhou is a poorer province for one. And there are other poorer ones. She lied to you.

Is that what took you so long... Damn, and we all thought you were fecking her brains out. But you were just looking... into her eyes...
So..... what happened to my exhortations:

....prompts me to write this. That in this China Women – opinions and advise thread, you fellow mongers would take time to sometimes reflect upon “our activities.”


SEAJ
P.s. Wadman, Wadman, Wadman! (See I repeated 3 times - one whole time more than I repeated Lisa,my Lisa!)

[SE Asia Joe]

Poetry in motion. Thank you, SE Asia Joe.
Thank YOU for taking the time...

See Wadman - not everyone is an ignoramous!

SEAJ

[Wadman]

P.s. Wadman, Wadman, Wadman! (See I repeated 3 times - one whole time more than I repeated Lisa,my Lisa!)


I hope you don't start dreaming about me too. Because THAT would give me nightmares.

[SE Asia Joe]

I hope you don't start dreaming about me too. Because THAT would give me nightmares.
Good come back there ....Gooooood come back!!

My nightmare happened when I absent mindedly looked at some of the pcitures I've got on my telephone camera and saw.........!!! OHMIGAWD.
WATCHIT there guy!!!


Yuck yuck yuck - 3 times!!

SEAJ

[Moody]

That's why you gotta get the girls drunk, so you don't hear those crazy stories. I'm not saying the stories are made up, but there's usually some embellishment going on somewhere.

[SE Asia Joe]

That's why you gotta get the girls drunk, so you don't hear those crazy stories. I'm not saying the stories are made up, but there's usually some embellishment going on somewhere.
What????!! Embellishments??? You gotta be kidding!

Actually it's I who needs to get rip roaringly drunk once a while! That way I'd stop embellishing my own thoughts.... to make myself a legend .... in my own mind!

Anyway, Moody, you gotta admit that the gal was cute as a button - right?
I'd believe ANYTHING she tells me!

Easier that way.........

SEAJ
ps. I wonder if this is one way a BSD became..... a BSD!

[Moody]

ps. I wonder if this is one way a BSD became..... a BSD!

This is how you become the guy the girls describe to her friends as "shabi" as in "that shabi bought my story last night and gave me an extra 500, let's go out to eat, my treat."

I really don't talk to the girls about their lives. To be honest, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear about life on the farm. I don't want to hear about abuse by family or boyfriends. I don't want to hear how their mother is in the hospital and needs an operation. I don't want to hear about how she has to support her brother in college. If I talk to them about anything, it's all nonsense stuff. I'll compliment them about how they look and stuff like that. If they ask me stuff, 90% of the time I'll lie and tell them what I think they want to hear. It just makes the whole experience more palatable. When all it said and done, the girl is there to make sure YOU have a good time, and my idea of a good time doesn't really involve listening to a girl whine about her troubles.

[Wadman]

What????!! Embellishments??? You gotta be kidding!

Actually it's I who needs to get rip roaringly drunk once a while! That way I'd stop embellishing my own thoughts.... to make myself a legend .... in my own mind!


You do need to get drunk some time, some day. Next time Moody and me are going to hold you down and make you drink.



Anyway, Moody, you gotta admit that the gal was cute as a button - right?
I'd believe ANYTHING she tells me!


Joe, Joe, Joe... don't tell me you eat up their stories the same way you eat out their pussies. I don't have a problem listening to their stories and believing them as long as it doesn't involve money moving from my pocket to theirs. I stop believing the minute it becomes that way. Most of the time, I don't talk to them about these things anyway. My conversations go more along the lines of: how many BFs have you had? Have you ever done CIM with one, and if not, why not, do you want to try? etc...

[SE Asia Joe]

This is how you become the guy the girls describe to her friends as "shabi" as in "that shabi bought my story last night and gave me an extra 500, let's go out to eat, my treat."

I really don't talk to the girls about their lives. To be honest, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear about life on the farm. I don't want to hear about abuse by family or boyfriends. I don't want to hear how their mother is in the hospital and needs an operation. I don't want to hear about how she has to support her brother in college. If I talk to them about anything, it's all nonsense stuff. I'll compliment them about how they look and stuff like that. If they ask me stuff, 90% of the time I'll lie and tell them what I think they want to hear. It just makes the whole experience more palatable. When all it said and done, the girl is there to make sure YOU have a good time, and my idea of a good time doesn't really involve listening to a girl whine about her troubles.
I'll second your sentiment there friend! Mucho simpler! Will remember, HAD remembered in the past....

Go along with me just this time though... with this Lisa. Actually she was definitely not whining and it all came out just so naturally and in such a disarming way. Shabi me actually believes her as she was just chattering away so matter of factly and without any drama - and no demands for $$ or anything.

And yes you're right, BSD Shabi me did come up with some extra dineroes - but only 50 and NOT 500! It's great to feel all warm and cozy and wuzzy.... but not 500 worth!! 50 is OK and still within the realm of NOT being a BSD - right?

SE Asia Shabi

[SE Asia Joe]

You do need to get drunk some time, some day. Next time Moody and me are going to hold you down and make you drink.



Joe, Joe, Joe... don't tell me you eat up their stories the same way you eat out their pussies. I don't have a problem listening to their stories and believing them as long as it doesn't involve money moving from my pocket to theirs. I stop believing the minute it becomes that way. Most of the time, I don't talk to them about these things anyway. My conversations go more along the lines of: how many BFs have you had? Have you ever done CIM with one, and if not, why not, do you want to try? etc...
You forgot the part about how our essence is full of face whitening and smoothing properties!!

Cynicism - good and well. But once a while its ever sooooo nice to just go along and feel all warm and fuzzy.... and to be able to thank our lucky stars that we (and our wives, sisters, daughters etc) have not had to go thru all the things that YOU KNOW THESE GALS MUST GO THRU.

Sure, I go along with all the precautions, cynicism, safeguards one must have in place when out mongering - at least 99% of the time; But its the 1% of the time that I sometimes find, that somehow makes a particular experience especially pleasurable and memorable. Bliss, blind and Shabi. What a way to go!!

Oh sure, I've gone down in flames many a times before.... and I'll probably go down again in the future - but its all been quite worthwhile. Just remind me what I said here.... the next time!


SE Asia Shabi

[ABCinLA]

Its actually good/ok; how boring would life be if we never make a mistake or take a leap of faith. Hell even me I've been taken advantage of (ok not be much). But just don't do it too often or let her dig too deep.

SE Asia Joe:
Sure, I go along with all the precautions, cynicism, safeguards one must have in place when out mongering - at least 99% of the time; But its the 1% of the time that I sometimes find, that somehow makes a particular experience especially pleasurable and memorable. Bliss, blind and Shabi. What a way to go!!

Oh sure, I've gone down in flames many a times before.... and I'll probably go down again in the future - but its all been quite worthwhile. Just remind me what I said here.... the next time!


SE Asia Shabi[/QUOTE]

[Zhuren]

Right you are. I like your thoughts and POV. Tip of the hat to your writing style. Let's get together when you are in BJ or we are down south.





Cynicism - good and well. But once a while its ever sooooo nice to just go along and feel all warm and fuzzy.... and to be able to thank our lucky stars that we (and our wives, sisters, daughters etc) have not had to go thru all the things that YOU KNOW THESE GALS MUST GO THRU.

Sure, I go along with all the precautions, cynicism, safeguards one must have in place when out mongering - at least 99% of the time; But its the 1% of the time that I sometimes find, that somehow makes a particular experience especially pleasurable and memorable. Bliss, blind and Shabi. What a way to go!!



SE Asia Shabi

[Manfest]

--cut--
And yes you're right, BSD Shabi me did come up with some extra dineroes - but only 50 and NOT 500! It's great to feel all warm and cozy and wuzzy.... but not 500 worth!! 50 is OK and still within the realm of NOT being a BSD - right?

Hey Joe,
You certainly know your way around, speak the lingo, travel into PRC often, etc. I respect your opinions... but I don't tip. I don't tip at McDonalds, I don't tip the taxi driver, I don't tip the train conductor, and I don't tip the girls (kind of like green eggs and ham)! They don't expect it anywhere, it is the old norm and culture (although one can argue this is changing). Occasionally, the girls ask for it which reinforces my resolve not to tip. OAH, CPE and others mentioned they give taxi money, so I relented and started doing this for further away pick ups, but not from behind the HuiMei. Just one opinion. Cheers.
M

[Regnom]

Met this Russian chick and chatted with her a few times before meeting her in Shenzhen. She is mid 20s and studying Chinese. We had a nice dinner and she was quite considerate. Was not out to burnt a hole in my wallet. In fact we only spent like 150 RMB eating Sashimi. She was playful and confident and we had a nice time. During the evening, I gathered that she has 2 boyfriends. One chinese, away on a trip and the other a Turkish dude probably in Turkey. She lives alone in an apartments that shes paying 3000 RMB for rent. There were inconsistencies in the things she told me. So I got the feeling that there is a lot of bull. Well, who cares. I am just out for a good time. Anyway, we made it back to my hotel and started making out. I was playing with her tits and started the undress her. She jumped right out of bed and bolted out of the door muttering: she doesn’t know what the heck she was doing. I chased her out the door and caught up with her. We walked back to her apartment, laughing, hugging, and kissing on the way. At the bottom of the apartment building, we were hugging holding hands. I tried to kiss her again and she ran off again saying I must be crazy as many people there knows her boyfriend. She looked pissed. She wont take my calls the next day and when I managed to talk to her she said that she do not want to talk to me anymore. So here are some questions for you brothers and experts.

1) Can you set your cell so that it block a particular # ? How do you do that?

2) Any one has any experience with Russian chick and knows what the heck is going through her mind. Clearly she is hiding a lot. However it appears she is out for a good time. Then why the heck did she has a guilt attack?

3) Are Russian easier than Chinese generally or are they just big tease?

4) Are there many kept Russian in Shenzhen? Who is doing the keeping?

5) Anyone think I have another shot into her pants?

[OldAsiaHand]

I normally do not keep the girls long enough to give them the opportunity to start the storytelling. Over 90% of my action is ST. I prefer to do more girls for the same money and do not like to sleep with WGs anyway.

I remember one girl in Pattaya, Thailand years ago that told me her mother could not walk and needed an operation. One afternoon, I decided to take a ride by her place. I saw a woman running around cleaning up the place and asked who it was. "She's my mother", she replied.

Every once in awhile, I get hooked on a WG and repeat her a few times. Those of you that know me might remember "42D" who later became an assistant mommy at the Swan Lake BBS. She had an amazing network. As soon as I hit the first BBS in Yalan, my phone would ring, "When did you arrive?" After 7-8 times seeing her, the stories started to flow. That was the end of the relationship.

Just my POV.

OAH


This is how you become the guy the girls describe to her friends as "shabi" as in "that shabi bought my story last night and gave me an extra 500, let's go out to eat, my treat."

I really don't talk to the girls about their lives. To be honest, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear about life on the farm. I don't want to hear about abuse by family or boyfriends. I don't want to hear how their mother is in the hospital and needs an operation. I don't want to hear about how she has to support her brother in college. If I talk to them about anything, it's all nonsense stuff. I'll compliment them about how they look and stuff like that. If they ask me stuff, 90% of the time I'll lie and tell them what I think they want to hear. It just makes the whole experience more palatable. When all it said and done, the girl is there to make sure YOU have a good time, and my idea of a good time doesn't really involve listening to a girl whine about her troubles.

[SE Asia Joe]

Its actually good/ok; how boring would life be if we never make a mistake or take a leap of faith. Hell even me I've been taken advantage of (ok not be much). But just don't do it too often or let her dig too deep.


Ahhhh yesssss.... a kindred spirit! Those bitter/sweet memories stand out don't they?

Heck, even my last gal, the one that caused me to go down in flames just 6 or so months ago, re-affirms my belief that it is SOMETIMES worthed it to throw caution to the wind. She now regularly phones to tell me how much she misses me and that she is bound and determined to see me again sometime in the near future - only this time without any question of $$ at all.

She is trying very hard to make a success of her business: A business which she often thanks me for - as I had provided not only the funds, premises and education for, but more importantly, as I had actually personally taught her (and still teaching her) how to "do business."

She tells me that she should have enough saved up by this summer to "Invite" me to meet her soon. Good Girl huh?!

SEAS

[SE Asia Joe]

Right you are. I like your thoughts and POV. Tip of the hat to your writing style. Let's get together when you are in BJ or we are down south.
Look forward to meeting you.
Even from just reading your reports, I'm pretty sure that I will meet someone with elan and class. I'm sure I'm gonna be able to learn from you.


Hey Joe,
You certainly know your way around, speak the lingo, travel into PRC often, etc. I respect your opinions... but I don't tip. I don't tip at McDonalds, I don't tip the taxi driver, I don't tip the train conductor, and I don't tip the girls (kind of like green eggs and ham)! They don't expect it anywhere, it is the old norm and culture (although one can argue this is changing). Occasionally, the girls ask for it which reinforces my resolve not to tip. OAH, CPE and others mentioned they give taxi money, so I relented and started doing this for further away pick ups, but not from behind the HuiMei. Just one opinion. Cheers.
M
Actually.... my Putonghua is atrocious but have been able to get around by using my "learned as an adult in HKG" Cantonese. And here I must give credit to ISG members Old Asia Hand, Bill Lee, Santa, Wadman, CPexpat and Tiger 888 who first took me "under their wings" (NO! No! Not One Wing!!).

When I do use my Putonghua (with these gals that just donot understand any Cantonese) it seems that many times, their maternal/altruistic/naturally helpful instincts kicks in and they try to help me along. These gals that do try to help me along are usually also equally "nice and giving when servicing."

Yes, I must admit that I sometime do veer towards a sort of BSD complaceny (with appropriate apologies to guys here who hates real BSD's - including myself!) when dealing with some of the gals that I DO like.

OTH, I do keep my xiaofeis to within approximately 10% of the "billable charges." When I do like a particular gal/when they service me particularly well, I somehow feel it important to let them know that I truly am grateful - and back such feeling with one of the "most tangible proof in their mind" - $$! And BTW - these gals make for great "repeats" when I need it.

SEA Shabi

[Zhuren]

1) Can you set your cell so that it block a particular # ? How do you do that?

Not possible. At least not with standard GSM as implemented in China. Or at least not AFAIK. If someone knows how, I'd be all ears.


2) Any one has any experience with Russian chick and knows what the heck is going through her mind. Clearly she is hiding a lot. However it appears she is out for a good time. Then why the heck did she has a guilt attack?

I should know. I was married to "a Russian chick" ( well, a Cossack Baroness ..) for 25 years. But Russia is a big country. I wouldn't want to make generalizations about "Chinese chicks," "Russian chicks," or "chicks of Boise, Idaho," for that matter. People are people, and people are different.


3) Are Russian easier than Chinese generally or are they just big tease?

MINE was in the sack on the first date. And boy did I ever regret it. Russian chick, American divorce, Jewish lawyer. Nuff said. Otherwise: Refer to Para 2.


4) Are there many kept Russian in Shenzhen? Who is doing the keeping?

No idea.


5) Anyone think I have another shot into her pants?

Looks like either a shot in her pants, or yours.

[Phil1980]

I'll apply for a China visa next week. Since all this visa crap has started, I have gotten really nervous. So I have two questions:

1. For a European, should you ask for a tourist, a business or a student visa? Where are your chances best? I wanted to apply for a short term business visa. Please only answer this if you have good knowledge of this subject.

2. In case no visa is granted, what other place except the PRC would you recommend for Chinese girls? Macao? I don't want to spend a lot of money.

[Ginkgo Bear]

I'll apply for a China visa next week. Since all this visa crap has started, I have gotten really nervous. So I have two questions:

1. For a European, should you ask for a tourist, a business or a student visa? Where are your chances best? I wanted to apply for a short term business visa. Please only answer this if you have good knowledge of this subject.

2. In case no visa is granted, what other place except the PRC would you recommend for Chinese girls? Macao? I don't want to spend a lot of money.How do you justify a Business visa? Did you ever apply for a visa before? Go to HK and Macao, you'll be fine.

[Lao Ma]

Not good advice Ginko Bear - China Foreign Ministry in Hong put up a notice saying only HK residents and those registered legally to work can get visas in HK. They are saying you now must get them in your home country.

(from the web site theshanhaiist)

looks like the tens of thousands of english teachers here are gonna have to stop their HK runs :)

I also think the situation is really fluid, so this could and can change

[Tiger 888]

I'll apply for a China visa next week. Since all this visa crap has started, I have gotten really nervous. So I have two questions:

1. For a European, should you ask for a tourist, a business or a student visa? Where are your chances best? I wanted to apply for a short term business visa. Please only answer this if you have good knowledge of this subject.

2. In case no visa is granted, what other place except the PRC would you recommend for Chinese girls? Macao? I don't want to spend a lot of money.I't suggest you go through the Visa service in Frankfurt (The number I gave you) and ask them the day you want to apply. Rules change on a daily basis and they can't put up rules anymore on their website. They can just tell you what worked yesterday.

The maximum you can get is a double entry, 30 days per stay.

I heard that even all foreign students on a long term visa will have to leave China for July and August.

By the way, you can still get a visa in Hong Kong being German (newspaper reports are plain wrong), but I wouldn't take that risk, since they may change that while you are sitting on the place.

[Phil1980]

I heard that even all foreign students on a long term visa will have to leave China for July and August.




Yeah, I heard that too, seems to be false though.

[Old Mean Dog]

Not good advice Ginko Bear - China Foreign Ministry in Hong put up a notice saying only HK residents and those registered legally to work can get visas in HK. They are saying you now must get them in your home country.


Just a thought, since what you are saying is nobody can get a visa in HK except residents and those registered to work, what about these visa seekers already here, just hopping over to a neighboring country and applying for a tourist visa for China, say Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia?

-CPE

[Lao Ma]

CPExpat - I don't know; haven't ever done the Hong Kong visa run myself. My friends and colleagues here who are also american are planning just to get new ones back in the states. I have a Z and am set through November.

I have done the HK restaurants, electronics, and pussy run, however. That's not gonna stop. I fancy the occasional south american, thai, and mongolian tail, which seems to be in short supply in Shanghai.

[Santa]

Just a thought, since what you are saying is nobody can get a visa in HK except residents and those registered to work, what about these visa seekers already here, just hopping over to a neighboring country and applying for a tourist visa for China, say Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia?

-CPE

Very good question from Expat and I'm sure many others also want to know.

How about getting your visa in Korea or Taiwan?

Is it necessary to return to return to your homeland?

[Lao Ma]

from SCMP:

Travel agents say all travellers - including those taking trips to Shenzhen - must show return travel tickets and hotel vouchers to get a visa; that visitors from 33 countries can no longer get visas in Hong Kong but must apply in their home countries; and that a new visa has replaced the short-stop visa for Shenzhen.
At least one business traveller has been stranded in Hong Kong by the restrictions, which were disclosed on Monday to travel agency couriers and came into effect on Tuesday.

The rules have been issued by the Commissioner's Office of the Foreign Ministry in Hong Kong.

Among the 33 countries whose nationals, travel agents say, can no longer get visas in Hong Kong are Malaysia, the Philippines, Indonesia, India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Nigeria and Turkey. The ban does not apply to people from these countries living in Hong Kong.

The changes come days after travel agents said they had been told on March 27 that no new multiple-entry visas would be issued until October. In addition, immigration offices at the border stopped issuing short-stay visas to Shenzhen on April 1, when the commissioner's office took over the issuing of all visas.

[Zhuren]

We can thank the unwashed a-holes who meddle with internal affairs of our host country for causing this mess.

Who joins me in a class action suit for tortuous interference with our dealings in China?

[Phil1980]

How do you justify a Business visa? Did you ever apply for a visa before? Go to HK and Macao, you'll be fine.


I have an invitation, but I'm wondering whether an ordinary tourist visa wouldn't be better? 30 day tourist visas, are there any restrictions?

[Phil1980]

We can thank the unwashed a-holes who meddle with internal affairs of our host country for causing this mess.



Actually you can thank certain bumholes in Beijing Zhongnanhai.

[Zhuren]

Actually you can thank certain bumholes in Beijing Zhongnanhai.

Looks like you don't want to come here. I've heard, Brunei is great for the sport. Click here to avoid embarrassing mistakes (http://www.google.cn/pda/search?hl=en&mrestrict=xhtml&q=bunghole) when swearing in a second language.

[Lao Ma]

I think the root cause was a group of angry young men in southwestern China who decided to take out their frustrations by resorting to rioting and violence. Everybody's responses - China, rest of world; etc; came after this causal event.

I'll not address whether or not their frustrations were legitimate. But I think the crackdown on girls in BJ and soon to be elsewhere, and visa restrictions, was gonna happen regardless. This may have bumped things forward a little.

Just my opinion, no more, no less. If anyone thinks my comments are inappropriate, I'll delete them right away.

[Zhuren]

I think the crackdown on girls in BJ and soon to be elsewhere, and visa restrictions, was gonna happen regardless. This may have bumped things forward a little.




Exactly.

Also, maybe, on the outside chance that common sense enters the picture, the visa crackdown may heighten our sensitivity to how our own home countries mistreat Chinese visa applicants.

Those who complain that their F-M-90 gets temporarily bumped down to F-2-30 are invited to grab a Chinese passport and stand in line outside a Western embassy, or the Federal Building in downtown NYC.

[Tiger 888]

I had a bad feeling in China over the last 2 years when they changed one minor rule after the other in the same style (effective today without announcement), which had some quite serious effects on me.
(Property rules, tax rules, banking rules). So I decided a year back that this country has some potential dangers and I prepared for 1 year to pull out if they go completely nuts.

Now that they've gone compeltely nuts and have proved that they are capricious, I am more than happy to be well prepared.

I got rid off all properites except one and pulled all the money out.
Furthermore I have shifted all my business to Taiwanese and Hong Kong companies, paying a small premium for way less headaches.

But we are the same morons, having stuffed them with all the money they are sitting on so that they can afford to behave like this being enough to themselves.

We gave them the Olympics and now we deserve that they treat them as their private property. (I read for example that they are going to triple domestic flight tickets sold abroad effective Mid May)

At least the next Olympics are not in Myanmar or North Korea. Let us learn something.

[Old Mean Dog]

Exactly.

Also, maybe, on the outside chance that common sense enters the picture, the visa crackdown may heighten our sensitivity to how our own home countries mistreat Chinese visa applicants.

Those who complain that their F-M-90 gets temporarily bumped down to F-2-30 are invited to grab a Chinese passport and stand in line outside a Western embassy, or the Federal Building in downtown NYC.


It doesn't gotta be Chinese, go to any US Embassy and/or Consulate in any country and take a look how long the lines are.

Personally, your sensitivity issues are not what's in question here. What is the issue, is how rapidly the Chinese government changed the rules with little or no advance warning due to their perceived notion that thousands of foreigners will come here and stay after the Olympics.

This action is hindering not only the foreigners who need to come to China, but in the long run, it will hurt China as well.

-CPE

[Lubricate It]

What is the issue, is how rapidly the Chinese government changed the rules with little or no advance warning due to their perceived notion that thousands of foreigners will come here and stay after the Olympics.-CPE
I think the reason is Tibet and worries about the potential for many foreigners demonstrating before and during the Olympics. It's just a safety measure that will go away after September. There was no advance warning because the degree of Tibet protesting was unable to be foreseen fully.