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Old Mean Dog
07-13-08, 05:46
Anyone got an idea why the friend was invited? To show me off/check me out as a potential sugar daddy? Her friend showed me a picture of a friend of hers who had the same first name as me- it was some western guy.
I think your friend has laowai fever, because her friend is hooked up with a foreigner. It is not uncommon for a girl to bring her friend on the first couple of dates. This girl might be somewhat of a good girl though.
-CPE
Old Mean Dog
07-13-08, 05:48
Hi,
I am living in Shanghai and is it ok to call a girl to meet in the apartment.
Any warnings, do and don't.
Unless you know she is P4P, I would advise you to meet in a public area first, then after you wine & dine her, invite her to your place.
Just because a girl works in a massage joint, does not mean she is a prostitute or gives it up easy.
-CPE
FernandoAlonso
07-13-08, 08:03
Unless you know she is P4P, I would advise you to meet in a public area first, then after you wine & dine her, invite her to your place.
Just because a girl works in a massage joint, does not mean she is a prostitute or gives it up easy.
-CPEIf you mean outcall massage the only thing you should be careful is having laying around valubles, your neighbours, your girlfriend, your colleagues and your expectations as what CPexpat rightfully says they are not all into P4P just because they work in a MP.
FA
Slarty if your going to hookup wish an asian girl get use to the asian way. groups are normal. a romantic dinner will include the odd extra girlfriend and maybe even a few more joining you as the mobile goes off. Sit back and relax its normal.......Its even fun :-)
Loveasiangirls
07-14-08, 04:07
Here is a question for all Chinese experts here. I am sure this can generate various points of view.
My favorite freebie is late 30s and well educated with decent job. She never married. She is definitely better looking than most of the girls I see on the pictures here. She has nice curves and a decent rack and an enthousiastic performer. I am early 50s
I helped her get a tourist visa and she came to Canada to spend 3 weeks with me. We had sex every day (at least once), even during her periods. She loves to give oral. She was even down on her knees to wash the floor (my ex-wife never did that).
While on her period she even proposed anal, a first for her. She liked it and wanted to do again the next day. We had sex outdoors and she gave me a BBBJ on the boat.
Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?????
Andreas Wang
07-14-08, 05:11
Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?
From where came the marriage idea?
- From her, suggesting this may be a good idea.
- From you, thinking that would be a good idea.
- From the Canadian government, by granting longer visas for spouses than for mere girlfriends.
The question may not be "will this last?" The question before that would be "is it necessary at all?"
I can't look into the future for you. No, really, no joke, I can't. But what you could do instead is to analyze what is going on right now. And the three options above may be the first step to that.
Here is a question for all Chinese experts here. I am sure this can generate various points of view.
My favorite freebie is late 30s and well educated with decent job. She never married. She is definitely better looking than most of the girls I see on the pictures here. She has nice curves and a decent rack and an enthousiastic performer. I am early 50s
I helped her get a tourist visa and she came to Canada to spend 3 weeks with me. We had sex every day (at least once), even during her periods. She loves to give oral. She was even down on her knees to wash the floor (my ex-wife never did that).
While on her period she even proposed anal, a first for her. She liked it and wanted to do again the next day. We had sex outdoors and she gave me a BBBJ on the boat.
Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?????
Now listen up mister you've got no complaint,
she is what she is and she ain't what she ain't.
She's better than most and has a nice rack,
has very nice curves and is good in the sack.
She loves to give oral while down on her knees,
has sex everyday and is happy to please.
She blows you in the boat and does anal if you wish,
but does she dig worms and know how to fish?
If you marry this gal will the fun last?
this you don't know but you'll sure have a blast.
And when she gets old and won't help pay the rent,
you can send her to Alaska to live in a tent!
:D
Andreas Wang
07-14-08, 05:16
Oh, to answer your question ... no, it will probably not last. Both of you will eventually get weary of fucking every single day. It will simmer down some and chances are you yourself will welcome that sometimes.
The question then may be: what else will you get by then out of this relationship. Support, headaches, affection, scorn, a family, a business associate, a partner in crime, a bored housewife? Impossible to tell.
But as said: first step - is a marriage right now even necessary? If yes, why do you think so?
Loveasiangirls,
Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?????No, it wonīt last. Because someone will get tired of sex. Maybe you, maybe her.
If there is nothing more than sex, I wouldnīt marry her.
If there is more or others than sex, marry her. Why not?
You are early 50īs. One flick and you are 60. Next flick and you are 65. Enjoy it to be married with a nice sexy woman.
Thatīs what I think. Because I am 55 now.
...... and she came to Canada to spend 3 weeks with me. We had sex every day (at least once), even during her periods. She loves to give oral. She was even down on her knees to wash the floor (my ex-wife never did that).
......Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?????
Keep the current relationship. If you are willing, fly to China more or fly her to Canada more. It will be cheaper at the end. In terms of money and soul.
Mock A Bee
07-14-08, 09:15
Here is a question for all Chinese experts here. I am sure this can generate various points of view.
My favorite freebie is late 30s and well educated with decent job. She never married. She is definitely better looking than most of the girls I see on the pictures here. She has nice curves and a decent rack and an enthousiastic performer. I am early 50s
I helped her get a tourist visa and she came to Canada to spend 3 weeks with me. We had sex every day (at least once), even during her periods. She loves to give oral. She was even down on her knees to wash the floor (my ex-wife never did that).
While on her period she even proposed anal, a first for her. She liked it and wanted to do again the next day. We had sex outdoors and she gave me a BBBJ on the boat.
Now, the question is, if I marry her, will this last?????
LAG,
You bring up a recurring theme here that is perhaps the easiest way to bring the strongest of men down.
Sex!!!!
It goes like this:
Women are born to be nurturers, you know mothers, and are normally selective when mating. Men are born to spread their seed as wide and as often as possible with any suitable and willing partner to spread his DNA.
Women know this, but for some reason men don't.
Sex has nothing to do with marriage in the long run. Many men on this board get this sex and marriage thing all mixed up. Women understand this, and sex is the bait that lures countless men to the Sirens and the ship inevitably runs aground.
Just because a girl is really hot and tasty in bed has little to do if she is suitable marriage material. And likewise, a woman who makes a really great wife, may or may not be a great sex partner.
Will the HOT SEX last? HAHAHAHA! How many married men read the ISG board? Actually, just think how popular this website is with men in general! (sorry, this is not a flame!)
For the life of me, I don't understand why so many men get hot sex confused with a terrific wife. Great sex is not what makes a lasting marriage, unless she happens to be a nymphomaniac. A woman with terrific non-sex based qualities is what makes a woman a great wife.
If you have not found out if she has other qualities beyond sex, you have not gotten to know her well enough to marry her.
Also, don't take this the wrong way, but if you think an anonymous board full of horny men who ALL have pussy on the brain are able to give you great advice on marriage who have not even met you or your woman, are able to help you, perhaps you should reconsider your source of advice.
MAB
I need some advice regarding asian women, but first, a little background.
I live in the USA and in addition to my other escapades, I have been frequenting a particular AMP for five years. I really like this place because it is pretty low key and the other, higher-profile places take all the heat. In that time, I have developed a sort of trusting relationship with one of the Chinese ladies who works there (not the owner). She has worked there for almost the entire five years. She was gone for a few months once but returned. She is a little bit older, not a girl but a woman, I would estimate late thirties to early forties (who could tell exactly? ) and is an absolutely smoking hot Chinese woman, slightly dark-skinned (like a hispanic) but extraordinarily feminine and ladylike. The other girls in there are typical AMP girls, willing to provide "extras" for a price, all business, and none of them really turn my head, but this particular one has always turned me down for extras. So even though she works in an AMP she seems to have higher morals than the usual anything-for-a-price AMP girl. I find her unusually attractive; she is just more sweet/quiet/feminine than any other Asian woman I have ever met. We have developed a rapport over that time, and I have a greater degree of trust for her, even though she is an AMP girl. In the five years I have been going to this place, I wouldn't say that I know her exactly but I believe her to be of higher than average morals, given her occupation. We seem to have developed a bond of mutual trust over time. So we have a sort of friendship, like two old friends or whatever.
Anyway, the last time I was in there admiring her femininity while she gave me a massage, I yet again flirted with her and asked her about extras. Still not available! I think I finally accepted that she didn't play that way and gave up. Anyway, at the end of the session I was talking with her, playing around, and kind of out of the blue asked her to find me an Asian girlfriend. At first I think she just thought I was being flirtatious but when I convinced her I was serious, she got very interested and asked me what I was looking for. Asian? Vietnamese? Young? Middle? (aged). Not really knowing what to ask for, I told her middle-aged, meaning (to me) late-thirties, as I figured someone closer to my own age (mid-forties) might make for a more successful potential relationship. I told her someone sweet and quiet, Chinese or Vietnamese, it doesn't matter either way, she knows me pretty well, she could pick for me and be matchmaker. I emphasized to her that I was quite serious and she seemed to take the request very seriously, and took my contact information. She told me I owed her dinner if she found someone for me, which made me think she wasn't out to gouge me for money. The girl she might find for me, probably yes, she would gouge me for money, but my "friend" didn't particularly seem out for her own personal gain, at least insofar as I can tell.
Afterward, when I thought about it, I think maybe I should have been more hard-nosed and ordered exactly what I (think) I want, instead of asking her to choose for me. Should I have been a more hard-nosed negotiator? What should I have asked for? What is a reasonable request? What should I watch out for?
The whole thing started as kind of idle chatter but when she got serious, it got me to thinking. I am just tired of american women who make great girlfriends and put out for a year or two, then start behaving like wives. (I have a headache, that time of the month, I have to work tomorrow, the usual endless strings of excuses why us guys can't get laid that night.) I am on my second wife-like girlfriend since my divorce and am tired of doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different outcome. Nor am I particularly interested in a real wife. Once bitten, twice shy. As I am still paying off the residual debt from my one long yet failed marriage. So the thought of a sweet asian honey with no long-term commitment is very appealing.
From what I gather, I need to be careful. I don't want to pay some woman alimony (I didn't have to do that the first time, thank God.) or otherwise end up with someone's hooks in me for money. I am inclined to think that if this arrangement did come to fruition, it would likely turn out to be some sort of arrangement to get a green card/citizenship, although I don't think that is as valuable as it once was. I see comments about men being paid large sums of cash in turn for marrying someone for a few years, with the understanding that she stays with you until she gets the green card, then splits. Anyway, I am more of the 2- to 5-year lease type of guy than I am a buy-to-own (marry) kind of guy. (I would miss her when she left but that would be the same either way. I would miss her plus feel even more pain when she left with half my assets if I was to fall in love and marry her. Life experience has made me less trusting, but it has also made me smarter. Life cuts both ways.) I have read a little about bout prenups, etc. I would love to have an asian sweetie, even if only for a few years, and as long as she didn't give me any real trouble I could deal with the notion that she didn't really love me.
Can someone 'splain to me how these things really work? I noticed a couple of guys said, DON'T MARRY A Chinese, marry a Filipina. So I have picked up a few tips. Any input is appreciated.
Lubricate It
07-15-08, 12:04
I need some advice regarding asian women, but first, a little background.
I live in the USA and in addition to my other escapades, I have been frequenting a particular AMP for five years.... Can someone 'splain to me how these things really work? I noticed a couple of guys said, DON'T MARRY A Chinese, marry a Filipina. So I have picked up a few tips. Any input is appreciated.
There will be exceptions, but my view is that the Chinese women we encounter in this business almost always think only in cash terms. They want to maximize cash benefits for themselves and their "real" family (i.e. the family they were born into) back home, but they will be nice to you in order to do so.
I fell hard for one of these girls a few years ago. I told her it could take two years for the divorce to be finalized. She decided to quit the AMP and move in with her 65 year old pimp in the interim, while continuing (by email) to insist that she would marry me as soon as I was divorced. Her only rationale seemed to be that she would make an extra few thousand dollars in the interim, through the access he offered through a call girl service operation.
Old Mean Dog
07-16-08, 02:20
I noticed a couple of guys said, DON'T MARRY A Chinese, marry a Filipina. So I have picked up a few tips. Any input is appreciated.
For me, it's entirely the other way around.
I am assuming that this AMP is in the USA and that the Chinese gal, lives in the USA as well. Once again, personally she is an American with American ideas and thinking, not the same as the gals here.
-CPE
For me, it's entirely the other way around.
I am assuming that this AMP is in the USA and that the Chinese gal, lives in the USA as well. Once again, personally she is an American with American ideas and thinking, not the same as the gals here.
-CPEI see these gals as a bit in the 'gray' area. When HJ are given, they usually clean you up as you are in the horizontal position. The real American gals will scream that you almost got some of that white gunk on her and telling you to run and get her a towel to clean it off of her.
Once you are married to the AMP girl, her cleaning of you stop. She will even stop cleaning the house, kitchen, laundry, floors and definitely will not clean windows either.
My choice is the marry her and leave her in China. Do not use your real name, and give her a bunch of false info. Use her for a few years and move on to greener pastures after you are tired of her. Just my POV.
Loveasiangirls
07-16-08, 05:34
Of course, I do not expect daily sex to continue forever. I was married before.
It reminds me of a funny joke.
Researchers were looking for a new drug, Testing different foods to find a drug for women equivalent to Viagra. A stimulant. In doing so, they accidentally found the opposite. A food that totally eliminates a women's libido: wedding cake!
Maybe the whole notion is just wishful thinking on my part.
In my dreams, I would like for my friend to set me up with a sincere, earnest twentysomething or thirtysomething asian woman who would live with me, keep the house nice, handle the laundry and even do some ironing (How hot would that be? Having your 30-year old asian sweetheart ironing while completely nude! I can smell the heat coming off of it just thinking about it.) Sort of a housekeeper with benefits. (I have read about, but can't confirm, men having "housekeepers with benefits" in the Philippines.)
In exchange I would make sure she had a car to drive and some walking around money, and was otherwise well taken care of. I would be willing to learn Chinese (I know one other language, unfortunately not Chinese or any Far Eastern language, but I can handle languages reasonably well) as well as teach her English. I would make sure she found some Chinese friends so she wouldn't be lonely. I would take care of her, watch out for her, and make her life as comfortable as possible, within the limits of an ironclad prenup.
So even if it was only an "arrangement" for a set period of time (months or years) I would be okay with it, as long as expectations were known up front. Again, I would miss her when she leaves but I would miss her more if she were to leave with half my assets. So of course I would have to be careful about this arrangement.
I guess this would be any guy's fantasy. Probably never going to happen, but I will stay in contact with my "friend" to see what develops. Could be fun in any case.
Old Mean Dog
07-16-08, 10:51
In my dreams, I would like for my friend to set me up with a sincere, earnest twentysomething or thirtysomething asian woman who would live with me, keep the house nice, handle the laundry and even do some ironing (How hot would that be? Having your 30-year old asian sweetheart ironing while completely nude! I can smell the heat coming off of it just thinking about it.) Sort of a housekeeper with benefits.
Geez, what a perfect world that would be. If we added she never bitched, complained or went on the rag then I would think I had died and gone to heaven!!.
-CPE
LAG,
You bring up a recurring theme here that is perhaps the easiest way to bring the strongest of men down.
Sex!!!!
It goes like this:
Women are born to be nurturers, you know mothers, and are normally selective when mating. Men are born to spread their seed as wide and as often as possible with any suitable and willing partner to spread his DNA.
Women know this, but for some reason men don't.
Sex has nothing to do with marriage in the long run. Many men on this board get this sex and marriage thing all mixed up. Women understand this, and sex is the bait that lures countless men to the Sirens and the ship inevitably runs aground.
Just because a girl is really hot and tasty in bed has little to do if she is suitable marriage material. And likewise, a woman who makes a really great wife, may or may not be a great sex partner.
Will the HOT SEX last? HAHAHAHA! How many married men read the ISG board? Actually, just think how popular this website is with men in general! (sorry, this is not a flame!)
For the life of me, I don't understand why so many men get hot sex confused with a terrific wife. Great sex is not what makes a lasting marriage, unless she happens to be a nymphomaniac. A woman with terrific non-sex based qualities is what makes a woman a great wife.
If you have not found out if she has other qualities beyond sex, you have not gotten to know her well enough to marry her.
Also, don't take this the wrong way, but if you think an anonymous board full of horny men who ALL have pussy on the brain are able to give you great advice on marriage who have not even met you or your woman, are able to help you, perhaps you should reconsider your source of advice.
MAB
Your response is EXACTLY right. This is a recurring question on every country board.
I'll add minor and obvious points, that nurturing (mother figure) does not come automatically to the average modern woman. Also, the P4P women we talk about mostly on this board are what they are, don't try to change them into angelic nymphomaniac wives. And even if you did, they would still stop having sex with you in time.
Nice Guy 99
07-17-08, 03:30
Mr. Senior Member masquerading as Jet ... I believe your dream is achievable.
Yes, Chinese women love to nurture ... and none are better.
Yes, Chinese women are very practical ... and they want to strike a bargain with you ... be it ST or a lifetime
If you can accept that "love" (whatever that means) is not the 100% driver, and,
If you can accept that wealth, status, and security are very important to her,
Then, I think you have a real chance of striking a bargain, a mutual agreement, that can fulfill you
I am six years into living the dream ... and it just gets better every day.
Good luck!
Mock A Bee
07-18-08, 04:04
While I am at it, another frequently recurring theme I often see on the China board (and other boards), is the "I want a fresh and tasty girl for hot sex, and have her do my laundry, cook and clean for me on the side as well".
Is this just a fantasy that some guys have? doing the maid?
I highly recommend getting a very competent Ayi who is ugly, and let her do a good job of housekeeping, it will be cheaper and she will do a much better job for you.
Get a nice hottie for sex and forget about making her do your housework. Besides if she is hot and she knows it, why would she want to do housework?
I have never seen a pretty ayi. My ayi is butt ugly! but I don't pay her to be pretty, I pay her to keep my house clean.
Kind of like specialization in labor. Let those do the job at which they are best at doing. They will be the lowest cost producer with better results.
Besides, it is easier and cheaper to find a good ayi and keep her for years, and she won't complain as long as you pay her the going rate and treat her well.
If you happen to have a hottie who does your housework and provides you snatch on the side, and she leaves you, your house is going to be a complete mess.
In China you can always find a nice piece of snatch to penetrate, but a good Ayi who is loyal and won't steal from you is MUCH harder to find.
MAB
I have never seen a pretty ayi.
I have one and in moments of weakness consider what it would be like to do things with her but she does her job so well that I know it would be easier to find a girl for sex than to replace her.
I agree with MAB -- there are half a million women in China, find specialists.
mab
i agreed with you that if you find a good ayi/housekeeper or nanny, it is very hard to replace. the uglier, the better they are at their job. finding a good ayi is hard to find in china.
on a different note, not so good looking gals works so much harder in bed pleasing their man. many years ago i had a three bagger for a secretary. she was the best worker i also had. she was there before the day started, work during lunch (she had very few offers from guys in the company asking her out to lunch) and when five o'clock rolls around she was still working with the speed as in the beginning of the day. one of the best worker i ever had.
i had another secretary that was a true 10. 19years old, hot blond and had atleast several offers each day for lunch and to meet up after the day was over. never showed up to work until the stated time and split at 5pm. she had so much roses on her desk that on valentines day, she had more roses than a person lying in a coffin awaiting service at a mortuary.
on the day that i left the company for greener pasteur at a rival company, i had drinks with the ugly one. she and i got totally smashed and we ended up at the hotel upstair from the bar. boy, i had never had someone fuck me so hard and satisfying ever. she did not have that bad of a body but the face was just a three bagger/flagger, just a bit too hard to look at.
the moral is that the uglier one can ride you in bed to oblivion. she is probably making up for lack of sexual adventure. it is one night that i still remember. i only did this gal once. if she ever get some plastic facial enhancement i would be thinking about contacting her again.
just my pov
BL, MAB & Exile are spot on about doing an Ayi. The Ayi I had before the one I have now was a foxy 36 y/o from Sichua, married with husband in Sichuan. I reckon she might have been willing and many times I thought about trying her on but as BL and MAB testified, it is easy to find a good lay but hard to find a good Ayi so my big head prevailed.
ES
Clean Gene
07-20-08, 09:40
BL, MAB & Exile are spot on about doing an Ayi. .
ES
Good Point. I agree. Totally.
I treat my maid like a member of my family. I pay her 50% over the going rate. I let her take off when her son comes home from school. And I let her take food supplies home to her husband (mostly rice, noodles and some kitchen scraps). I give her packages of pao jiao herbs (which I use myself at the foot massage places). I also look after her when she is not well because she would be expected to render service at home even when sick. I have even emptied her bed pan.
And she kindly kneels under the table to give me oral as I do paperwork, (to keep my diao fit for action).
Her mother served in the household of a landlord and passed on knowledge of caring for the lord.
I don't know, but I don't think it has anything to do with spicy food. If it is true that Sichuan and Hunan girls are more likely to have "snatch stench", it could be because they are poorer provinces where girls are less likely to have good hygienic habits.
A few months back we had a debate about stinky girls. I have recently had some real stinkers from Hunan. But the smell I complain about was not from the pussy, it was from the girl in general, and it wasn't the usual body odor caused by sweating and not washing. It was a pungent, sweet and horrible smell. It seems to be mostly prevalent in the breath, but is everywhere on the body and clothing. After the girls had left my room the stink lingers on for days and I can smell it in my clothes and bedding.
Today I asked a girl about it and was told it is caused by "ya1 bo2 zi", or preserved duck necks. It's that disgusting meat and organs you see in those dirty glass boxes in the street. She said it's very spicy and only eaten by girls from Hunan and Sichuan. She said guys don't eat it. Maybe it's some kind of marinade or preservative?
Is it true that guys don't eat it? If so, why do only girls eat it? Someone else told me that is not true.
Does anybody else know anything about this?
Ni chi le shenme? = You ate what?
Wo bu xihuan wen na zhong weidao. = I no like smell that type flavor.
Somebody else said the smell is from "chou doufu", stinky tofu, sold in the street by guys on bicycles.
Old Mean Dog
07-29-08, 09:52
A few months back we had a debate about stinky girls. I have recently had some real stinkers from Hunan. But the smell I complain about was not from the pussy, it was from the girl in general, and it wasn't the usual body odor caused by sweating and not washing. It was a pungent, sweet and horrible smell. It seems to be mostly prevalent in the breath, but is everywhere on the body and clothing. After the girls had left my room the stink lingers on for days and I can smell it in my clothes and bedding
I've always suspected it's from their diet. Eating all those organ meats and lots of spice/garlic, comes out of the pores later.
As I mentioned in the past, I used to live above a Muslim restaurant, when I was in England, and consumed lamb/goat w/spices, probably about 5 days a week. Friends often told me, I smelled like it all the time.
-CPE
A few months back we had a debate about stinky girls. I have recently had some real stinkers from Hunan. But the smell I complain about was not from the pussy, it was from the girl in general, and it wasn't the usual body odor caused by sweating and not washing. It was a pungent, sweet and horrible smell. It seems to be mostly prevalent in the breath, but is everywhere on the body and clothing. After the girls had left my room the stink lingers on for days and I can smell it in my clothes and bedding.
Today I asked a girl about it and was told it is caused by "ya1 bo2 zi", or preserved duck necks. It's that disgusting meat and organs you see in those dirty glass boxes in the street. She said it's very spicy and only eaten by girls from Hunan and Sichuan. She said guys don't eat it. Maybe it's some kind of marinade or preservative?
Is it true that guys don't eat it? If so, why do only girls eat it? Someone else told me that is not true.
Does anybody else know anything about this?
Ni chi le shenme? = You ate what?
Wo bu xihuan wen na zhong weidao. = I no like smell that type flavor.
Somebody else said the smell is from "chou doufu", stinky tofu, sold in the street by guys on bicycles.If you like pigs feet, chicken feet, air dried sausage, Chinese celery, etc. The smell comes with the order.
Stinky tofu is not common in China, but Taiwan it is a specialty. Some parts of China sure. But not most.
As for the smell. Learn to love it. The ladies are what they eat, and you eat what they are. LOL.
Enjoy it, it is not dangerous or forbidden!
Majority of the girls smell fine, but some of them sometimes eat somethink that causes them to really stink. I would just like to know what it is?
I think it might be a thick black liquid that they use as a preservative. I once saw somebody mixing a black sticky liquid that stank. so I think that might be it. Does anybody know what it might be?
Old Mean Dog
08-02-08, 05:32
Majority of the girls smell fine, but some of them sometimes eat somethink that causes them to really stink. I would just like to know what it is?
I think it might be a thick black liquid that they use as a preservative. I once saw somebody mixing a black sticky liquid that stank. so I think that might be it. Does anybody know what it might be?
Is it the same stuff they smear on the "stinky" tofu that is so common down here? Just go to the stands and take a smell until you identify the one that bothers you.
BTW: This can also be applied to choosing your next girl, just tell the mommy you need to do a sniff test first.
-CPE
Don't forget to sniff her nether regions too since that is the strongest most pungent area for the whiff to come through. Maybe combine it with a taste test too ? Pls post your results for our edification, if not education.
Damn, I gotta get back to Asia soon. Reading this forum is so frustrating.
Is it the same stuff they smear on the "stinky" tofu that is so common down here? Just go to the stands and take a smell until you identify the one that bothers you.
BTW: This can also be applied to choosing your next girl, just tell the mommy you need to do a sniff test first.
-CPE
Kindred spirits you and Manfest!
A great set of knockers and you guys get knocked over!
SEAJ
ps. where you been? Wassup week-end? Hear the 2 biggest Freebie-ers - AG and Tightway's around our parts these days!Joe!
Nice to hear from you!
I am in CP now but will go to Hongkong soon. Are you back in China?
Give me a call!
Andybody else who is coming to Changping is welcome to PM me.
I know my way around.
Dude, clear out your PM box .... trying to get in touch
Sushilover808
08-05-08, 19:49
I have seen girls that are very hairy in China, in fact 50% of the girls I seen are like that.
I had successfully got most of my freebies in Shanghai to remove their hair (both Armpits and pussy) using a lotion I brought from Japan. I am not sure that is available in China. This method of removal, the hair will never grow back. This also eliminate the excuse of having a thicker bush when it grow back.
Anyone know if this type of lotion is available in China? I am running low on stock and may need till my next trip to Japan.
Enjoy!
AGThere is a lotion from Japan that inhibits regrowth of hair? Do you have a name or a picture? I'd love to buy that stuff too!!!
Fun For Me
08-05-08, 23:37
I've had a few in Beijing, Nanjing and Singapore.
All had an odor, someone needs to teach them to wash properly and also shave some of that stuff!
I must be a stiff, I could never imagine eating at the Y knowing they are going from one guy to the next, many times in the same day!
How do you guys do it?
I've already been rather picky about food and even moreso about clean women!
Ragnarok42
08-06-08, 23:55
I must be a stiff, I could never imagine eating at the Y knowing they are going from one guy to the next, many times in the same day!
How do you guys do it?
I've already been rather picky about food and even moreso about clean women!
From my understanding most local Chinese dont DATY, many girls have never it done to them. If you are worried, have them wash extra carefully ( give them a hand if you like). Its no worse than using a glass in a restaurant ;-)
Besides the odor or taste is internal not external. Washing extra carefully wont help too much, once they get excited it will come back. And if it doesnt, we should review technique
Has anybody mentioned or thought that if a gal has a STD there is a 20% chance of transmission doing anything involving pussy to mouth or mouth to mouth ? Think of gonerhea, warts and syphilis. Did you know that there is such a thing as gonerhea of the mouth, dick and rear end !!!
Worst thing is that in many cases the three above are not necessarily visible even to a seasoned monger and the host is not necessarily aware they are a carrier (except in teh case of syphilis which can be life threatening).
Just wondering if this conversation considered some of the health & transmission aspects for an informed decision.
Not preaching. Personal choice 100%. JMPOV
For HIV and oral sex the below % is much lower just so you I am not trying to mislead and staying to the facts.
Apologies if this rubs folks up the wrong way. I think this should also be a consideration for a seasoned monger and that actions should be fully informed. IT IS IN THE END A PURELY PERSONAL DECISION AND I AM NOT PREACHING TO ANYBODY.
I too am renting the gals, not buying ownership and sometimes just renting a small aprt of them :D
Has anybody mentioned or thought that if a gal has a STD there is a 20% chance of transmission doing anything involving pussy to mouth or mouth to mouth ? Think of gonerhea, warts and syphilis. Did you know that there is such a thing as gonerhea of the mouth, dick and rear end !!!
Worst thing is that in many cases the three above are not necessarily visible even to a seasoned monger and the host is not necessarily aware they are a carrier (except in teh case of syphilis which can be life threatening).
Just wondering if this conversation considered some of the health & transmission aspects for an informed decision.
Not preaching. Personal choice 100%. JMPOV
Nice Guy 99
08-07-08, 02:19
There is a lotion from Japan that inhibits regrowth of hair? Do you have a name or a picture? I'd love to buy that stuff too!!!
What BS by Ace G ... such a thing does not exist.
Old Mean Dog
08-07-08, 06:56
Has anybody mentioned or thought that if a gal has a STD there is a 20% chance of transmission doing anything involving pussy to mouth or mouth to mouth ? Think of gonerhea, warts and syphilis. Did you know that there is such a thing as gonerhea of the mouth, dick and rear end !!!
Worst thing is that in many cases the three above are not necessarily visible even to a seasoned monger and the host is not necessarily aware they are a carrier (except in teh case of syphilis which can be life threatening).
Just wondering if this conversation considered some of the health & transmission aspects for an informed decision.
Not preaching. Personal choice 100%. JMPOV
I dine at the Y quite often and was kind of known for it in CP by the girls. Always make sure they shower well first. Excite the little man in the boat, not gobble the oyster up. There is many risks involved in our hobby, but if one wears didi, tongue and finger condoms, is it really all that fun?
I am addicted to crack.
-CPE
A very valid pov no quibbles ; no morality or judgement intended.
I dine at the Y quite often and was kind of known for it in CP by the girls. Always make sure they shower well first. Excite the little man in the boat, not gobble the oyster up. There is many risks involved in our hobby, but if one wears didi, tongue and finger condoms, is it really all that fun?
I am addicted to crack.
-CPE
Eyebrow777
08-07-08, 18:59
Has anybody mentioned or thought that if a gal has a STD there is a 20% chance of transmission doing anything involving pussy to mouth or mouth to mouth ? Think of gonerhea, warts and syphilis. Did you know that there is such a thing as gonerhea of the mouth, dick and rear end !!!
Worst thing is that in many cases the three above are not necessarily visible even to a seasoned monger and the host is not necessarily aware they are a carrier (except in teh case of syphilis which can be life threatening).
Just wondering if this conversation considered some of the health & transmission aspects for an informed decision.
Not preaching. Personal choice 100%. JMPOVWapec,
20%? Where are you getting that number? Sounds high.
EB
United Kingdom Medical Council - it presumes the host is infected. If taken as a % across all sexually active people it would naturally be lower but then again the correct way to look at is the % within specific risk categories and groups.
I've seen similar stats coming from US medical studies too.
Would be interested in any data sources that you have and share ?
Wapec,
20%? Where are you getting that number? Sounds high.
EB
I have had several PMs asking how I responded to Intransit. Guys I am not a guru but here is my response and I put it here so as not to clutter up the photo gallery.
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Hard to say Intransit. I send out quite a few messages and hone on married ones but quite honestly lately I am not doing well with married ladies. Can't find many who speak English and my Chinese speaking skills are virtually nil.
Typically, after I get a positive response on CFF, I try to get them on Yahoo or MSN Messenger as soon as I can to chat. I can generally get an idea if they are game when chatting with them. I guess it is just a 'gut feeling' to tell me if I want to pursue further. Some I drop like a bad habit, others I pursue to a dead end, then there are those I post about.
The last one I posted, the 'new' one lives quite a distance from me in the south part of Shanghai. She said she was coming to shop in Shanghai on a weekend and I offered dinner. Bingo she was in my bed that night.
Wish I could tell you about a magic wand or other clues but so help me it is just a 'gut feel'.
ES
Loveasiangirls
08-13-08, 07:24
I have had several PMs asking how I responded to Intransit. Guys I am not a guru but here is my response and I put it here so as not to clutter up the photo gallery.
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Hard to say Intransit. I send out quite a few messages and hone on married ones but quite honestly lately I am not doing well with married ladies. Can't find many who speak English and my Chinese speaking skills are virtually nil.
Typically, after I get a positive response on CFF, I try to get them on Yahoo or MSN Messenger as soon as I can to chat. I can generally get an idea if they are game when chatting with them. I guess it is just a 'gut feeling' to tell me if I want to pursue further. Some I drop like a bad habit, others I pursue to a dead end, then there are those I post about.
The last one I posted, the 'new' one lives quite a distance from me in the south part of Shanghai. She said she was coming to shop in Shanghai on a weekend and I offered dinner. Bingo she was in my bed that night.
Wish I could tell you about a magic wand or other clues but so help me it is just a 'gut feel'.
ES
I would add that it is important not to bring up sex too quickly and too directly. Chinese women are shy and you need to go slow. They first need to feel comfortable with you before they open up. At one point she will ask what kind of girl you like. I usually answer "brains and beauty....and a good kisser". Depending on how they respond to kissing discussion, I can get that "gut feeling" that Eaglestar is talking about.
A little bit of Mandarin will go a long way as that field is less crowded. One of my Xiamen freebie created a profile for me on a chinese web site. My profile included a photo. in the first 24 hours I received about 400 e-mails. This can be overwhelming. I focussed on those below 40 that spoke some english. I have about 10 sure things for my next trip in a month and i hope to add a few in the next few weeks. I only saw one other white guy on that site.
Freebies are not like working girls, they require a lot of work to lure them. Don't underestimate that. I happen to have a lot of free time for MSN.
Jayagopal50
08-15-08, 19:30
Reading about the EMPRESS DOWAGER[last] and another in early 1900 and reading about Chang Kai shaik his wife and sisters and Mao's wife I get the impression that powerful WIFE's have caused downfall of China at various times.
Is this true or am i looking at [tyrant wifes]?
SE Asia Joe
08-18-08, 09:18
NOW.....I've gone ahead and REALLY done IT!
OK - as per my usual modus operandi of always loving the one I am with, I had gone ahead and really wooed and wowed and rocked the world of this little KTV gal who had made the mistake of agreeing to sit with me for the night.
Well the night of course was followed by again my usual modus operandi of a ST - or so I thought....and that was when I should have noticed that "something" stinks - really stinks! She pleads and begs and in the end insisted on staying with me for the night/told me that she'll stay irregardless of whatever I wanted to pay her or even NOt pay her!! Wot?? Am I hearing things? Was I going nuts?
She stuck with me like glue... lterally.... until the time that I got on the train....and before I left, I went ahead and gave her 600 - not 500 the usual ST rate, not 800 the usual O/N rate - just a bit more than the ST rate. (don't ask me why/the rationale 0- I just went ahead and did it!!)
And that was when the phone calls started coming...asking when I will be coming again..please make it soon etc etc - half of which I never even bothered to pick up but know its her from her caller ID!
Well, last week I relented and came up to see her - and again the same pattern - stuck with me like glue....serviced me thoroughly... multiple times... did things only Sauna gals had previously done to me...did things that even sauna gals would not do...way more things and positions and orifices and EVERYTHING!! And the incessant talk about her LOVE for me, how she just cannot live without me, how she would do anything for me "But please, just consider me your GF, that's all I ask of you"
WTF??? and I mean W...T.....F??? lookit, I ain't no spring chicken, a body and face that's well past the use by date, and NOT a BSD!!
SHE MUST BE A TOTAL BASKET CASE!! But NO, she ain't - she's VERY presentable, quite pretty, and from I could gather, OK intelligent wise - so WTF is she up to?? She screwed my brains out so badly this past couple days that not only cain't I walk too straight, my brains can only function at less than 50% capacity methinks! Money? I DON"T think so - at least that was never even mentioned and when I gave her 1,000, she tried returning it me? WHAT??? A WG returning money to me?? who the fuck ever heard of that?? The way I was doin' my lovin'? Perhaps....... as I did get my old ally Mr Vit C a took after the first time around and thus was able to pack it it all in quite OK. But hell, this is also just my usual modus operandi....take a pill after the 1st round....and I've never had a result even close to what is happening this time!
But it was so BAD.... that halfway thru my time with her, I had already started to feel all powerless and not in control...that she was calling the shots...that she was jumping me I/O me jumping her, that she was the one who tried several times blowing me and trying to arouse me even when I lay all exhausted and asleep (damn, a guy can only stand so much!! Of course I had to do my duty!) but again and again and again? You gotta be kidding me! Like I said I ain't no spring chicken - and where the hell are my nitroglycerin pills?
I sit her, writing this, all sore and back aching. Pecker raw (shit, I hope it ain't injured!). Neck stiff. Shoulders sloucning. Tummy upset (hell - how does too much screwing screw up one's stomach??!!). Feel all dry and emptied and drained. WTF is happening to me??!!! some body make sense of all this for me please!!!
SEAJ
NOW. I've gone ahead and REALLY done IT!
OK. As per my usual modus operandi of always loving the one I am with, I had gone ahead and really wooed and wowed and rocked the world of this little KTV gal who had made the mistake of agreeing to sit with me for the night.
Well the night of course was followed by again my usual modus operandi of a ST. Or so I thought. And that was when I should have noticed that "something" stinks. Really stinks! She pleads and begs and in the end insisted on staying with me for the night/told me that she'll stay irregardless of whatever I wanted to pay her or even NOt pay her! Wot? Am I hearing things? Was I going nuts?
She stuck with me like glue. Lterally. Until the time that I got on the train. And before I left, I went ahead and gave her 600. Not 500 the usual ST rate, not 800 the usual O/N rate. Just a bit more than the ST rate. (don't ask me why/the rationale 0- I just went ahead and did it! )
And that was when the phone calls started coming. Asking when I will be coming again. Please make it soon etc etc. Half of which I never even bothered to pick up but know its her from her caller ID!
Well, last week I relented and came up to see her. And again the same pattern. Stuck with me like glue. Serviced me thoroughly. Multiple times. Did things only Sauna gals had previously done to me. Did things that even sauna gals would not do. Way more things and positions and orifices and EVERYTHING! And the incessant talk about her LOVE for me, how she just cannot live without me, how she would do anything for me "But please, just consider me your GF, that's all I ask of you"
WTF? And I mean W. T. F? Lookit, I ain't no spring chicken, a body and face that's well past the use by date, and NOT a BSD!
SHE MUST BE A TOTAL BASKET CASE! But NO, she ain't. She's VERY presentable, quite pretty, and from I could gather, OK intelligent wise. So WTF is she up to? She screwed my brains out so badly this past couple days that not only cain't I walk too straight, my brains can only function at less than 50% capacity methinks! Money? I DON"T think so. At least that was never even mentioned and when I gave her 1, 000, she tried returning it me? WHAT? A WG returning money to me? Who the fuck ever heard of that? The way I was doin' my lovin'? Perhaps. As I did get my old ally Mr Vit C a took after the first time around and thus was able to pack it it all in quite OK. But hell, this is also just my usual modus operandi. Take a pill after the 1st round. And I've never had a result even close to what is happening this time!
But it was so BAD. That halfway thru my time with her, I had already started to feel all powerless and not in control. That she was calling the shots. That she was jumping me I/O me jumping her, that she was the one who tried several times blowing me and trying to arouse me even when I lay all exhausted and asleep (damn, a guy can only stand so much! Of course I had to do my duty! ) but again and again and again? You gotta be kidding me! Like I said I ain't no spring chicken. And where the hell are my nitroglycerin pills?
I sit her, writing this, all sore and back aching. Pecker raw (shit, I hope it ain't injured! ). Neck stiff. Shoulders sloucning. Tummy upset (hell. How does too much screwing screw up one's stomach? ! ). Feel all dry and emptied and drained. WTF is happening to me? ! Some body make sense of all this for me please!
SEAJOk it looks like this girl is after a husband. She probably doesn't like the line of work she's in and is going all out to get a husband or at least a steady boyfriend to look after her. I have read a bit more about this sort of over the top behaviour on forums about Korea, but I guess this can happen in any country.
As a reality check can anyone really fall that far for someone that quickly?
Meiguoguizi
08-18-08, 13:41
now.....i've gone ahead and really done it!
i sit her, writing this, all sore and back aching. pecker raw (shit,
i hope it ain't injured!). neck stiff. shoulders sloucning. tummy
upset (hell - how does too much screwing screw up one's stomach??!!).
feel all dry and emptied and drained. wtf is happening to me??!!! some
body make sense of all this for me please!!!
seaj
every ktv girl has her own life story. just as every 'diner waitress'
in the u.s. has her own reason for smiling at you when you order eggs.
neverthelesss, there are two basic questions posed by sea joe: does
she really like me? and what does she expect from me?
undoubtably she likes you better than her uncle who raped her at 14.
and she likes you more than her first boyfriend who convinced her that
by working in that first bbs she could pay for that motorcycle which
was their ticket out of poverty. and she definitely likes you more
than the three japanese guys last month who wanted to film her with
multiple loads on her eyeglasses while she wore the schoolgirl outfit.
or the korean guy in july who..... so yeah, she really likes you.
and undoubtably she expects that you will provide x amount of money
every month or at least several times a year. if x is large enough,
she can leave the business and continue to drain your aging frame. if
x is less than adequate for an exclusive retirement, she can continue
to search for her ticket out while on your intermediary retainer.
the more interesting question posed by sea joe is: "wtf is happening
to me?", which i take to mean: "how can an old man like me continue to
have such powerful feelings of affection and attachment for 20 year
old chinese girls who i barely know and can only partially communicate
with, even though i know that thier 'affection' is motivated by
financial survival?"
i've given up asking myself that question. i merely make my periodic
'love payments' to a variety of "xiao lao po's" who express their
devotion to me. oh, i know the real answer: evolution. men of wealth
and power have always had access to young fertile flesh. if not, our
species would not have survived to invent the ktv.
but the more comforting and delusional 'answer' is: "something special
is happening between us, because i am truly lovable."
and that works fine for me. darwin be damned.
Ragnarok42
08-19-08, 01:06
I sit her, writing this, all sore and back aching. Pecker raw (shit, I hope it ain't injured!). Neck stiff. Shoulders sloucning. Tummy upset (hell - how does too much screwing screw up one's stomach??!!). Feel all dry and emptied and drained. WTF is happening to me??!!! some body make sense of all this for me please!!!
This just goes to show that even senior members like SEA Joe with tons of experience and who has fucked half the population of Mongolia can be tempted by the Dark Side.
Much as we all know what to do, anyone who has mongered in China knows there is that one girl out there who will mess with your head and start giving you fanatasies of "does she really love me"?
We have all been there dude. So delete her number, change yours, leave town for a while to clear your head. Whatever it takes, take some time to cool off (and give your pecker a rest too :-)
Remember, unless you marry her or her "brother" barges down your door to demand you pay for their family honor, you have all the cards. You are in control and you decide on what happens.
SE Asia Joe
08-19-08, 02:49
Thanks Rag, Meiguoguizi, Slarty
Yup Yup Yup. Ditto Ditto Ditto!!
These Chinese courtesans.... they're so skilled! So good at what they do!! So very much more beautiful compared to their counterparts in other parts of Asia (in my eyes anyway!!). The perfect Honey trap.... which I seem to fall into time and time and time again don't I??
Oh well..... it's a nice way to go - and so long as I still can do it and able to afford it - why the hell not??!! How much time do we have in life??!!
Thanks guys - for the heads up - needed dem reminders to go fully armed to do battle with this latest honey pot!!!
SEAJ
Ragnarok42
08-19-08, 04:25
Oh well..... it's a nice way to go - and so long as I still can do it and able to afford it - why the hell not??!! How much time do we have in life??!!
Thanks guys - for the heads up - needed dem reminders to go fully armed to do battle with this latest honey pot!!!
Hey SEAJ, break her so badly that she is ruined for all men in the future, haha. Have fun doing it.
I have my own honey traps to worry about (dem Taiwan girls aint half bad either) ;-)
Been going back to the same masseuse as posted below. Miao Ju (#30) has been wonderful for my back, doing a nice deep back walk that really does a lot of snap crackle and pop for me. She has been strictly legit except that she has done a lot of fantastic DFK and let me handle the goodies through her clothes...except a couple of times getting in her bra, but NEVER directly touching junior, even when he has a raging one on...
She let me know that her birthday was last week kind of inviting herself to lunch. Over lunch, she passed me a note, asking where we could go "play". I almost fainted! I was so disappointed that I did not have time nor opportunity and managed to keep from hurting her feelings by promising to make up for it this week.
Today, I just got back from 5 hours of wonderful gentle and over the top loving! Naturally, not continuous...I am not superman, afterall, but junior was in rare form going to bat strongly twice and begging for a third. She was incredibly shy to begin with as she is not overly endowed, and later I found that she has a 4 yo down south somewhere. Little baby fat on her tummy and not much up top, but a tush that could drive nails! Almost bald to boot! Not shaved, just sparse!
After about 45 minutes of thinking I had rented a room for nothing, I finally coaxed her to having a massage from me...she got on the bed fully clothed! Hiked up her dress, finally taking it off, and unhooking her bra but stedfastly staying on her belly. I applied the lotion and slowly and carefully and innocently applied more and more and lower and lower pressure until I was at her panty line. Was able to pull them down just a little before she went shy again, but finally perservered and got them off. Did a slow upper thigh massage just brushing 'home' and I could hear her breathing shift gears. Bent over and began kissing her back and then headed south...got the 'no, don't!...but her legs began to spread and I was in for the kill! Great DATY followed with no fake moaning, etc, but a face full of juice and some intense pressure on my poor little ears! She had two spectacular O's before I asked if I could suit up and do a little internal massage... that also went very well as she was really heated up and ready for her third O. Got the covered face routine I see so often after Chinese women orgasm. They must think they aren't pretty after they come! Silly! She also ran out for aher shower and got redressed! I put on some silk boxers just to seem civilized.
We went to look at pictures on my computer with her sitting on my lap. Pretty soon, I was massaging her neck and shoulders again while she sat on my lap. Then I began lightly rubbing her through her panties and she got heated up again. I picked her up (impressing the heck out of her) and carried her back for a less inhibited round two... that would be two more strong ones for her and a long pounding from me with a terrific release for me. All in all a tremendously fine afternoon!
Glad I have kept the lines open! She is a sweet young woman who isn't the most beautiful one I know, but she has some sterling properties and is a lot fun!
Once in a while, I really enjoy a legit massage. Who doesn't? I finally found a nice place not too far from home where I could get one about two weeks ago. It is between Weifeng and Pudian Lu on Laoshan. This one is about half way south of Weifeng Xi Lu on the LEFT side next to a convenience store.
Anyway, I got a 90 minute oil massage that was out of this world by a very nice and kinda cute girl named Fan (#30). Had to put on some tyvek briefs and except for some massage on the butt cheeks, it was completely above board. And was great! Her English is limited but she has a great sense of humor and outgoing personality. At the conclusion of the massage, she leaned over and actually kissed me on the lips! Determined to return.
A week later, I returned for a full 2 hour oil massage thinking she might at least grab junior. But no, still completely above board. AND, again the best oil massage I have had. But, this time, there were many gentle kisses. BTW. Excellent 2 hour massage with fruit and tea was 288.
Yesterday, I returned for another 2 hour carrying some chocolates and a sheet of paper I had drawn up with some specific legit massage terms in English, Pinyin, and sketches to help her learn more English for her waolai clients. She was really excited that I wanted to help her. Again a 2 hour wonderful massage, frequent kisses, and then at the end, when we kissed, she did a wonderful DFK! I was kinda shocked and junior came to immediate attention! We did some DFK and she allowed me to caress her over her shirt. Then she asked me to keep texting her with English and Pinyin so I started with a simple. I want you and she replied that she wanted me, too. Now, I don't really know what to do. I doubt that there is any way to go further in her place of emplyement and I know I cannot take her home. What to do?
I guess, I will just enjoy the wonderful massage and teach a nice cute young thing some English and let junior cry alone.
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Something odd and personally revealing happened to me a week ago which has kinda played on my mind since. So as a kinda therapy I am posting and opening up to others point of view. It ain't earth shattering but got me thinking .....
Was at a KTV a week ago and chose two chicks. One mid twenties and another nineteen year old. I guessed their ages when choosing and thought youth and experience at the time. Anyway, was having a fine and fun time with the games, dice and chit chat getting to know the gals. Trying to decide which to take back for a little post-KTV private exercise.
Had the younger one on my knees, was feeling her up and managed to get to teh point where she unbuttoned her bra so I could take a closer look :) Whilst I was nibbling I asked where she came from, how long she had been living in the Town, did she like it, and how old she was. This is when she mentioned her age and asked mine. I am not shy and not that old so I told her - thirty eight which is true ...........
Then she came out and said that her Father was the same age. Wow! What an odd, direct and unintentional innocent comment from her but it sure winded my todger to the point where it had a tough time hardening to her again. Remember that I had her to the point of an open bra and was nibbling delicisously on her pointy bits. She tried to be playful & teasing a couple of times later on that evening. Once she even thought she was being naughty saying she would like to be done by a father figure. Fuck me pink but that doesn't turn me on.
Anyways, haven't really been able to get this outta my head. Not so much that I am now attracted or revolted by the older guy younger gal thing so much as it was the first time the comparison to a father figure was made and it hit home. At thirty eight and happily screwing around for the fun of being serially and sequentially in love for an hour to a day at a time it took me aback. Jez it wasn't that long ago when I recall being addressed as "Sir" for the first time. Hell my memory isn't even going yet ......
What do you guys think ?
Add twenty to your youthful number and see that the birthdate of your company is just a couple past your grandsons! You ain't seen nuttin yet!
I agree that it makes you think. BUT, just remember, YOU are putting more negative emphasis on this than you should. To the lady you are with, your maturity and experience makes her 'face value' go up. AND, if you are a good, considerate and 'out to please' giver, then they get more than they EVER get from the 19 YO they boinked. You might even be the first one to ever give them that Oh- feeling! That's my plan of action whenever I go in, I am really trying to give them something to talk about to their girlfriends. Besides my wrinkles and grey hair.
Just one Guybert56's opinion!
Something odd and personally revealing happened to me a week ago which has kinda played on my mind since. So as a kinda therapy I am posting and opening up to others point of view. It ain't earth shattering but got me thinking .....
Was at a KTV a week ago and chose two chicks. One mid twenties and another nineteen year old. I guessed their ages when choosing and thought youth and experience at the time. Anyway, was having a fine and fun time with the games, dice and chit chat getting to know the gals. Trying to decide which to take back for a little post-KTV private exercise.
Had the younger one on my knees, was feeling her up and managed to get to teh point where she unbuttoned her bra so I could take a closer look :) Whilst I was nibbling I asked where she came from, how long she had been living in the Town, did she like it, and how old she was. This is when she mentioned her age and asked mine. I am not shy and not that old so I told her - thirty eight which is true ...........
Then she came out and said that her Father was the same age. Wow! What an odd, direct and unintentional innocent comment from her but it sure winded my todger to the point where it had a tough time hardening to her again. Remember that I had her to the point of an open bra and was nibbling delicisously on her pointy bits. She tried to be playful & teasing a couple of times later on that evening. Once she even thought she was being naughty saying she would like to be done by a father figure. Fuck me pink but that doesn't turn me on.
Anyways, haven't really been able to get this outta my head. Not so much that I am now attracted or revolted by the older guy younger gal thing so much as it was the first time the comparison to a father figure was made and it hit home. At thirty eight and happily screwing around for the fun of being serially and sequentially in love for an hour to a day at a time it took me aback. Jez it wasn't that long ago when I recall being addressed as "Sir" for the first time. Hell my memory isn't even going yet ......
What do you guys think ?
Then she came out and said that her Father was the same age. Wow! What an odd, direct and unintentional innocent comment from her but it sure winded my todger to the point where it had a tough time hardening to her again. Remember that I had her to the point of an open bra and was nibbling delicisously on her pointy bits. She tried to be playful & teasing a couple of times later on that evening. Once she even thought she was being naughty saying she would like to be done by a father figure. Fuck me pink but that doesn't turn me on.
Anyways, haven't really been able to get this outta my head. Not so much that I am now attracted or revolted by the older guy younger gal thing so much as it was the first time the comparison to a father figure was made and it hit home. At thirty eight and happily screwing around for the fun of being serially and sequentially in love for an hour to a day at a time it took me aback. Jez it wasn't that long ago when I recall being addressed as "Sir" for the first time. Hell my memory isn't even going yet ......
What do you guys think ?
At my advanced age almost all the ladies I do are much the same age as my daughter and some are younger.
Some years ago I would tell myself that I would never do a girl my daughter's age but as time grew on I just became callous and blocked it out of my mind. On the other had, from time to time some girl will say something like yours did that not so gently reminds me of the situation I am in.
A good example is a CFF freebie I did yesterday, age 23. She made some comment about her father's work and during that talk I found out her father is 8 years younger than me.
Like you, it gave me pause for thought but later I just flushed it. Cannot dwell on it or my little brother would stay dry forever.
Callous? Uncaring? Scoundrel? Pervert? DOM? All of them? I really don't think so.
These ladies have a choice to be with me or not to be with me. If they choose me, I accept gladly. Mine are all freebies and are under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to go out with me.
Don't feel badly Wapec, your thoughts are normal but they will pass.
ES
Had the younger one on my knees,
What do you guys think ?
You are a dirty old geezer Wapec. Now, go to confession and repent! :D
Meiguoguizi
08-22-08, 16:38
Then she came out and said that her Father was the same age. Wow! What an odd, direct and unintentional innocent comment from her but it sure winded my todger to the point where it had a tough time hardening to her again. Remember that I had her to the point of an open bra and was nibbling delicisously on her pointy bits. She tried to be playful & teasing a couple of times later on that evening. Once she even thought she was being naughty saying she would like to be done by a father figure. Fuck me pink but that doesn't turn me on.
Anyways, haven't really been able to get this outta my head. Not so much that I am now attracted or revolted by the older guy younger gal thing so much as it was the first time the comparison to a father figure was made and it hit home. At thirty eight and happily screwing around for the fun of being serially and sequentially in love for an hour to a day at a time it took me aback. Jez it wasn't that long ago when I recall being addressed as "Sir" for the first time. Hell my memory isn't even going yet ......
What do you guys think ?
I find they are amused by:
"wo shi ni baba de gege" I'm your father's big brother!
Something odd and personally revealing happened to me a week ago which has kinda played on my mind since. So as a kinda therapy I am posting and opening up to others point of view. It ain't earth shattering but got me thinking .....
Was at a KTV a week ago and chose two chicks. One mid twenties and another nineteen year old. I guessed their ages when choosing and thought youth and experience at the time. Anyway, was having a fine and fun time with the games, dice and chit chat getting to know the gals. Trying to decide which to take back for a little post-KTV private exercise.
Had the younger one on my knees, was feeling her up and managed to get to teh point where she unbuttoned her bra so I could take a closer look :) Whilst I was nibbling I asked where she came from, how long she had been living in the Town, did she like it, and how old she was. This is when she mentioned her age and asked mine. I am not shy and not that old so I told her - thirty eight which is true ...........
Then she came out and said that her Father was the same age. Wow! What an odd, direct and unintentional innocent comment from her but it sure winded my todger to the point where it had a tough time hardening to her again. Remember that I had her to the point of an open bra and was nibbling delicisously on her pointy bits. She tried to be playful & teasing a couple of times later on that evening. Once she even thought she was being naughty saying she would like to be done by a father figure. Fuck me pink but that doesn't turn me on.
Anyways, haven't really been able to get this outta my head. Not so much that I am now attracted or revolted by the older guy younger gal thing so much as it was the first time the comparison to a father figure was made and it hit home. At thirty eight and happily screwing around for the fun of being serially and sequentially in love for an hour to a day at a time it took me aback. Jez it wasn't that long ago when I recall being addressed as "Sir" for the first time. Hell my memory isn't even going yet ......
What do you guys think ?Hey, I am Chinese and let me tell you. You are not even considered ripe until you past 40. There is an old saying; man over 40 is a flower (roughly translated) then you will be considered a catch!
I could simply tell you with all the women I dated at home and on-board, not one woman have ever gave me their correct age. They all lie about their age, one way or another. It is not until I accidentally saw their id that I realized just exactly what their age are. Even then, I knew plenty that carries fake ids for whatever reason they have. You also need to remember that in China, there is a huge age discrimination going on!
At my advanced age almost all the ladies I do are much the same age as my daughter and some are younger.
Some years ago I would tell myself that I would never do a girl my daughter's age but as time grew on I just became callous and blocked it out of my mind. On the other had, from time to time some girl will say something like yours did that not so gently reminds me of the situation I am in.
A good example is a CFF freebie I did yesterday, age 23. She made some comment about her father's work and during that talk I found out her father is 8 years younger than me.
Like you, it gave me pause for thought but later I just flushed it. Cannot dwell on it or my little brother would stay dry forever.
Callous? Uncaring? Scoundrel? Pervert? DOM? All of them? I really don't think so.
These ladies have a choice to be with me or not to be with me. If they choose me, I accept gladly. Mine are all freebies and are under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to go out with me.
Don't feel badly Wapec, your thoughts are normal but they will pass.
ESI agreed! China have a different culture and mentality, it is quite acceptable for an older man walking around with a young hot one. It is a sign of power and wealth and the Chinese love power and wealth. If you are one lucky one who is capable of bagging a young one, just enjoy it and don't even look back.
Folks
All thanks for the feedback so far. Heck I never even considered not doing the gals. Pecker wouldn't never cast that vote! Time will come soon enough when I am too old and frail to get it up so I better gather me some extra-ordinary experiences now.
Guess, I am just adjusting to the shock of becoming a dirty ole man rather than a randy young stud before I hit forty. Either way better than being put out to pasture. Anyways, lots of exemplary role models for me out there.
Now where did I put that long trench coat and those rubber wellies that I'll need when I go flashing these little love birds with my honey pot ?
Jez hard to believe that I spent six years shyly slipping into and out of the the Zhui Hai & Xiamen sauna scene before being introduced to CP, SZ & BJG where I graduated from a prevert to a pervert. In just over a year BBS, KTV, Sauna, Massage Joints, SW's, Pole Dancers, Strip Joints, German FKK's, Czech Privat's, Hungarian Sex Clubs, Swiss Swinger Session, Thai Soapies ..... Hell I've even snogged & DFK'ed a CP Mommie. Am I at risk of becoming a sex addict ? If yes then its a great fall. Everytime I come back from a monger trip and walk around home I'm thinking I would do her at a BBS, she'd be good for a soapie, she'd be fun to wake up to after a KTV etc.
Holy cow and all that is held sacred by the "Sex Vixens from Hell" (fab movie) I've even planned an around the world sex tour for my fortieth next year with one of my close friends who'll be introduced to the joys of the mongering scene. Yup even got my wingman setup for a sex tour of all five continents in 2009 just hope the poor bugger isn't too overwhelmed 'cos Im gonna be on the job daily for three solid firm and rock hard weeks!!!
Yup I've joined the Dirty Ole Man's Club AND I need to be able to fund my retirement :D Me so horny love you long time gals .....
Wo bu shi nide Baba wo shi nide Bage. Jai ren lai gan wode tiao, wo shi ninde xiao xiong muo wo muo wo muo wo. Nimende (went from one to two or more) buodi hao wan, nimende buo hao qing, wo zai nimende buo shuozhao peng wode liangkuai gaowan. Nashou ziwei nashou ziwei oohhhhh oooohhhh aghhhhhhh aghhhhhh oohhhhh haode haode zhen haode!!!! Danshi wo gen ni bu yao zuo ai zhe ci wo gen ni yao jiao pei. Qing ni kan wode jiba hen yin, hen lusede, didi shui hao da ...... gei nimen wode ai he keyi ma ? How would that work in Brazil !!!
OldAsiaHand
08-24-08, 07:07
Wapec:
There is one initiation ritual to get into the club which I do not see mentioned on your list. Have you done one of the girls in the catacombs in CP? This is a requirement for admission.
OAH
OAH
Was wondering if that would be picked up. Also, wondered if it would be you that picked it up !!! Your reputation precedes you ...... and as reliable as a WG on a gyno-chair (which I once did in France).
To answer the question: I chickened out of the tour you gave to RaceTrack & Co. about a year ago.
Hope springs eternal and maybe I should set myself a goal to aim towards :D
\W
Wapec:
There is one initiation ritual to get into the club which I do not see mentioned on your list. Have you done one of the girls in the catacombs in CP? This is a requirement for admission.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
08-24-08, 09:06
Hell Wapec - you've only just graduated into the double age club a couple years ago; that's when you turn 36 and doing 18 year olds legally.
Wait till you go past the triple Age club!! Then its all sweetness and light!!
SEAJ
Hell Wapec - you've only just graduated into the double age club a couple years ago; that's when you turn 36 and doing 18 year olds legally.
Wait till you go past the triple Age club!! Then its all sweetness and light!!
SEAJ
SEAJ I am chairman of the 3X club he he he
ES
Meiguoguizi
08-24-08, 15:20
Hell Wapec - you've only just graduated into the double age club a couple years ago; that's when you turn 36 and doing 18 year olds legally.
Wait till you go past the triple Age club!! Then its all sweetness and light!!
SEAJ
At the close of the Olympic ceremonies, may I wish all my fellow China mongers the ISG marathon gold - future entry into the the Quadruple Age Club!
I have had several PMs recently asking about how to use AFF/CFF or other such on line sites. Further, there havd been recent postings about trying to get Jackson to set up a "Freebie" Thread. In February 2007 I posted some techniques but maybe time to update it.
Some others of you might like to add your comments also for the benefit of all.
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Well, where do I start?
I have been on asiafind.com/chinesefriendfinder.com since 2002 and I am old enough to draw US social security, with a wife in the US. I have lived in China off and on since 1991 for a total of 9 years and have VERY poor Chinese speaking skills. I have successfully used AFF in Beijing, Shanghai and Xian.
I do not go for the really young ladies like most guys on ISG do. I have my Cupid set for 33 to 42 year olds. This is not to say I have not successfully tapped some 20 something ladies but I do not actively pursue them. Further, in the past couple of years I have targeted married women, especially those who have husbands living in other countries or other Chinese provinces. That narrows the field considerably, as there are not a lot of those on AFF, but once one gets a married lady like that it is pretty easy to keep them. Also, married ladies lessen the chance of her wanting to get to close or clingy, if you get my drift. I get good GFEs with them also without having to take them out shopping or to dinner (they dont want to risk being seen with an old lao wai). Most of the time our meetings take place in my apartment, they come (and cum) then go home. A few will occasionally spend the night. I do not ignore single or divorced women, but really zero in on married ones with a spouse not living in Shanghai.
One other advantage of married ones is if they do not have jobs, then they are free in the day time when the kid is at school. Ayi watches the kid while they fuck me. I have three here like that. My office is in my home, so many times it is just an afternoon delight, a nice break from work.
Lastly, IMHO, the 30+ ladies are simply better lovers then the younger ones.
I send out anywhere from 4 to 10 messages a week depending on my time and inclination. Typically I will get a response from about half of them. I have a form letter that I use but modify as I feel necessary for each individual. I do not flaunt or shout out I am not divorced but neither do I hide it. Just stress that I have been separated since 2001. Of course if they are married, then for the most part they dont give a damn if I am married. They are just looking for companionship and sex. TLC maybe.
Once I have been able to engage them in some messages back and forth on AFF I try to switch them to Yahoo or MSN Messenger so I can chat with them. If I can get that far my success rate soars to 65% 75%. Generally it will take a few weeks because of my work and/or their available chat time. I try to let them decide where the first meeting will take place. A surprising number will come to my apartment on the first date.
Alternatively, I sometimes just open the instant messaging service in the evenings and wait for some lovely to contact me there while I am doing other things on the net or watching the idiot box. Actually I am doing that now as I write this. If I am interested, I quickly switch to Yahoo or MSN messenger. Kinda like fishing. Throw the baited hook in and wait for a bite. I have been told that any women who register as a regular member but post one or maybe more photos are automatically upgraded to Silver status and that allows them to contact anyone so I occasionally get messages from them. Unfortunately most of these are not so attractive, 50+, divorced or widowed and live to far away.
Another tactic I use is to open the messenger service (not the HTML version), check the location by looking at the miles or km distance from me and page someone who lives in Shanghai or nearby. This is more work but I have had some success with this.
A few of the things I look for in the profiles:
Marital status I have found that prefer not to say means about a 50% chance they are married especially if she did not post a photo. Separated is OK, but if I find out the estranged husband is still in Shanghai I cut it off quickly. I am not interested in being a part of a local love triangle. I want to keep my passport and also keep my name out of the local papers.
Age My preference is mid to late 30s, 32-33 to 40.
Location Unless they are in the immediate Shanghai area I drop them like a bad habit. (of course there are some notable exceptions I have made as you might have noticed in some of my posts)
Friend Network Sometimes I will look at the profiles of the men in her network. If some of these guys are married then I conclude there is no objection to dating a married man, which has proven true.
It also can be rather revealing to view more of her responses in View more of xxxx responses. Some of the sections I check are What would be your ideal first date
.. If they choose the one that says dinner and coffee or more at your place that is a plus. I also like to see stressed as the response to What best describes the pace of your life and confused as the response to When it comes to career, family and life in general, how do you feel?
I always try my best to give them a BFE even if they are married. No one wants to think they are just a sperm deposit. Sometimes I will even cook dinner for them, nothing elaborate, but a decent meal. I keep flowers in my apartment and use scented candles and have a big selection of DVD movies, all with Chinese subtitles. Even have a few porn flicks if they like that.
Donno what else to tell you except do not expect to get laid on the first date even if she agrees to come to your home. It might happen (and occasionally does) but if not just let it ride and it is 99.9% you will the second time.
It takes a little time gentlemen but once you get a stable of 3 or 4 just juggle your time and you will have all you can handle.
ES
Went to lunch today with my team and got talking to the local university intern. Cute gal, 20 yrs, varied interests, already a professional dancer, high heel shoes, nice ass movement, good gap in her hips. athletic body & single.
Man when she sucking on the straw of her ice lemon tea I was imagining her action on my pole :D
Got talking during the lunch and shared a few stories. After lunch invited her for an ice cream (yeah wanted to stick my cone in a new home....) and we had a fun time swapping stories, life views, found some shared interests etc...
Get the feeling that with a little investment of time there is a high chance of scoring and nailing her. Quite taken with the idea of training her in over the rest of her internship! Part of me wonders about keeping it within limits at the office. She is ever ever ever so sweet, innocent and has a juicey ripe ass ..........
Is it worth the effort ? I close easily be aching for her shortly and I'm a suave smooth talking dude when motivated ;)
Went to lunch today with my team and got talking to the local university intern. Cute gal, 20 yrs, varied interests, already a professional dancer, high heel shoes, nice ass movement, good gap in her hips. athletic body & single.
Man when she sucking on the straw of her ice lemon tea I was imagining her action on my pole :D
Got talking during the lunch and shared a few stories. After lunch invited her for an ice cream (yeah wanted to stick my cone in a new home....) and we had a fun time swapping stories, life views, found some shared interests etc...
Get the feeling that with a little investment of time there is a high chance of scoring and nailing her. Quite taken with the idea of training her in over the rest of her internship! Part of me wonders about keeping it within limits at the office. She is ever ever ever so sweet, innocent and has a juicey ripe ass ..........
Is it worth the effort ? I close easily be aching for her shortly and I'm a suave smooth talking dude when motivated ;)
Haha, great opportunity! Sure go for it, there are plenty of opinions on this exact same topic multiple times. Basically they range from be careful and no because you could screw up work/life, to the opposite just screw her and enjoy life! Your not going to listen to us degenerates anyway, just fun banter back and forth. Do what you like. I would go for it, just pay the price later. And most assuredly, there will be a price later.
Eaglestar,
Thanks for your words of wisdom. This is especially helpful for us rookies. If you don't mind some additional questions related after you scored the freebies:
1. Do the CFF freebies know you are banging away at other CFF freebies? Does this impact your game? Have you been able to convince any on group play sessions.
2. What is the usual reason, if any, that your CFF freebies no longer wants to see you? Or do you drop them?
3. Once you've lined up a freebie what's the frequency you see her and when does the relationship end.
It just amazes me that you're able to convince these freebies to have their pics taken. You're slick!
Eaglestar,
Thanks for your words of wisdom. This is especially helpful for us rookies. If you don't mind some additional questions related after you scored the freebies:
1. Do the CFF freebies know you are banging away at other CFF freebies? Does this impact your game? Have you been able to convince any on group play sessions.
2. What is the usual reason, if any, that your CFF freebies no longer wants to see you? Or do you drop them?
3. Once you've lined up a freebie what's the frequency you see her and when does the relationship end.
It just amazes me that you're able to convince these freebies to have their pics taken. You're slick!
1. I do not talk about one girl to another girl. Most of the time I will deny any other relationships. I screwed up a really good fu*k that way one time. I don't like group sessions so it is never brought up.
2. 1,000s of reasons for relationships ending. I get tired of them, it finally sinks into their head there is no future (for the single ones), I move, they move,,,,,,,,,,
Not all of them agree to photos, in fact only a small number do. The one kinda thick 29 y/o that I have posted so many times likes it a lot ( I probably have 800-1000 pics of her) as does the married one who now lives in Suzhou. Unfortunately I cannot see her much.
ES
Eaglestar has been one of the more interesting and consistent contributors to the forum. Always polite and helpful, and a positive attitude towards the ladies.
I prefer the p4p market, but I enjoy reading his posts.
ES, thanks for the pointers, we really need a freebie thread. :)
Eaglestar has been one of the more interesting and consistent contributors to the forum. Always polite and helpful, and a positive attitude towards the ladies.
I prefer the p4p market, but I enjoy reading his posts.
Thanks for the kind words Santa, coming from a hoss like you it means even more.
Unfortunately I just fired two of my best ladies so my pic contribution will drop dramatically. Likewise, my Johnson will be dryer for longer periods until I can locate some replacements :(
ES
1. I do not talk about one girl to another girl. Most of the time I will deny any other relationships. I screwed up a really good fu*k that way one time. I don't like group sessions so it is never brought up.
2. 1,000s of reasons for relationships ending. I get tired of them, it finally sinks into their head there is no future (for the single ones), I move, they move,,,,,,,,,,
Not all of them agree to photos, in fact only a small number do. The one kinda thick 29 y/o that I have posted so many times likes it a lot ( I probably have 800-1000 pics of her) as does the married one who now lives in Suzhou. Unfortunately I cannot see her much.
ESWhilst by comparison my experience with Chinese women pales significantly to Eagles, I can pass on my observations so far.
Three of the four girls I have met recently have all asked at some point whether I have other friends (meaning lady friends). I tend to play it down and admit to have had limited contact (a lunch date etc) in the past.
Possibly I get this question because I am learning the Chinese language and getting better at it- I get questions about why I learned in the first place. The real reason is to chat up girls of course but I usually say its for travel and how impressed I am about how polite Chinese people and customs are.
Also I can see already how important security is to these girls especially the ones who are single. Depending on the girl she will be looking for a husband or a steady boyfriend who will look after her. Haven't met any who admit to being married yet so can't say much on that.
By the way a few words of mandarin really helps break the ice and get the conversation going. I read somewhere else that women really like to talk about themselves so if you are a good listener and show genuine interest in them it goes a long way.
AFF/CFF seem to be completely dead recently. Possibly because CFF was recently added to the government's block list.
Know of any backup sites?
TenthFloor
09-02-08, 04:38
Mate, I am surprised you can write posts on ISG, but can not access CFF/AFF!
AFF/CFF seem to be completely dead recently. Possibly because CFF was recently added to the government's block list.
Know of any backup sites?
OldAsiaHand
09-03-08, 15:15
I was in a Chinese hospital recently and hired extra female orderly care 24/7. It only cost an extra 70 RMB per day. They had no private rooms so I just took a double room and paid 30 RMB per day for the other bed to be empty.
On the last night of my stay, the girl taking care of me got frisky. Lights out around 11:00pm and I noticed that she could not sleep. She kept talking to me about personal subjects. I reached out and pulled her by the arm into my bed. She was a little reluctant at first, pretending that it was not the right thing to do etc. She is married. After some DFK and groping on my part, she got out of bed and went back to the cot she was sleeping on.
At around 3:30am, she wakes me up and crawls back into my bed and proceeds to give me a HJ while I had my hands in her pants. Unfortunately, I was in no condition for anything else being I had just a surgery a few days earlier.
Go figure.
OAH
Ragnarok42
09-03-08, 18:45
At around 3:30am, she wakes me up and crawls back into my bed and proceeds to give me a HJ while I had my hands in her pants. Unfortunately, I was in no condition for anything else being I had just a surgery a few days earlier.
Go figure.
You are officially my new god. Last time I was in the hospital all I could do was moan and lumber around like a drunken idiot savant.
I was in a Chinese hospital recently and hired extra female orderly care 24/7. It only cost an extra 70 RMB per day. They had no private rooms so I just took a double room and paid 30 RMB per day for the other bed to be empty.
On the last night of my stay, the girl taking care of me got frisky. Lights out around 11:00pm and I noticed that she could not sleep. She kept talking to me about personal subjects. I reached out and pulled her by the arm into my bed. She was a little reluctant at first, pretending that it was not the right thing to do etc. She is married. After some DFK and groping on my part, she got out of bed and went back to the cot she was sleeping on.
At around 3:30am, she wakes me up and crawls back into my bed and proceeds to give me a HJ while I had my hands in her pants. Unfortunately, I was in no condition for anything else being I had just a surgery a few days earlier.
Go figure.
OAHPersonally, never had to spend a night in a hospital (thank God)...but if what you described awaits a horny patient like myself, then getting sick in China ain't so bad. Reading the words in your story sounds so much like a page out of Penthouse Forum--albeit a Chinese version. Hope you get better soon. But then what's another night or two in the hospital with that "kind nurse"....ha ha ha
Clean Gene
09-04-08, 07:47
I was in a Chinese hospital recently and hired extra female orderly care 24/7. It only cost an extra 70 RMB per day. They had no private rooms so I just took a double room and paid 30 RMB per day for the other bed to be empty..
Go figure.
OAH
Bravo OAH!
I think I got ripped off. I forked out over 40 k for hospital bills for the mother of a mistress of mine. Couple of years ago. And 60k for funeral and burial. (Her relatives collected the white envelopes.)
The mistress said it took the intervention of a "powerful friend" to even get the mother admitted. I've not checked personally. I was in Europe at the time. The mistress and myself have been involved in tricky biz in the past, so I just sent the transfer of funds.
OldAsiaHand
09-04-08, 14:22
I am not talking about a hot, young chick in a short nurse's skirt outfit. She was 30+, a reasonably attractive face and nice hair, but a bit chunky. She had a kid so the body was not in tip top shape. She was wearing those orderly outfits, short sleeve blouse and pants.
I made the mistake of giving her my cell number and now she is calling and texting me daily.
OAH
Personally, never had to spend a night in a hospital (thank God)...but if what you described awaits a horny patient like myself, then getting sick in China ain't so bad. Reading the words in your story sounds so much like a page out of Penthouse Forum--albeit a Chinese version. Hope you get better soon. But then what's another night or two in the hospital with that "kind nurse"....ha ha ha
A case of verifiable animal instincts ....... Top marks five stars ;)
\W
I was in a Chinese hospital recently and hired extra female orderly care 24/7. It only cost an extra 70 RMB per day. They had no private rooms so I just took a double room and paid 30 RMB per day for the other bed to be empty.
On the last night of my stay, the girl taking care of me got frisky. Lights out around 11:00pm and I noticed that she could not sleep. She kept talking to me about personal subjects. I reached out and pulled her by the arm into my bed. She was a little reluctant at first, pretending that it was not the right thing to do etc. She is married. After some DFK and groping on my part, she got out of bed and went back to the cot she was sleeping on.
At around 3:30am, she wakes me up and crawls back into my bed and proceeds to give me a HJ while I had my hands in her pants. Unfortunately, I was in no condition for anything else being I had just a surgery a few days earlier.
Go figure.
OAH
Ragnarok42
09-05-08, 00:40
I am not talking about a hot, young chick in a short nurse's skirt outfit. She was 30+, a reasonably attractive face and nice hair, but a bit chunky. She had a kid so the body was not in tip top shape. She was wearing those orderly outfits, short sleeve blouse and pants.
I made the mistake of giving her my cell number and now she is calling and texting me daily.
She's thinking you need a follow up exam?
Just goes to show you, if you try, you can pick up women anywhere no matter what or how you look. Or maybe I should try the pathetic puppy look (think of the cat in Shrek just a lot more lecherous ;-)
I agreed! China have a different culture and mentality, it is quite acceptable for an older man walking around with a young hot one. It is a sign of power and wealth and the Chinese love power and wealth. If you are one lucky one who is capable of bagging a young one, just enjoy it and don't even look back.When I was there a few weeks ago with woman 18 years younger than me she felt that I would always be interested in even younger women. here in the state it is hard to find decent woman more than ten years younger but in China I was in play with women 20 to 30 years younger.
When I was there a few weeks ago with woman 18 years younger than me she felt that I would always be interested in even younger women. here in the state it is hard to find decent woman more than ten years younger but in China I was in play with women 20 to 30 years younger.Ain't that the truth! I hear you, I keep getting introduce with women that are 20 years younger than I by my Chinese friends. I used to have this "dirty old man" feelings but now, I just accept it and enjoy all the given fruits while I still can.
Have fun and be safe out there!.
Ain't that the truth! I hear you, I keep getting introduce with women that are 20 years younger than I by my Chinese friends. I used to have this "dirty old man" feelings but now, I just accept it and enjoy all the given fruits while I still can.
Have fun and be safe out there!.Best part she is 5'5" 115 pounds, great ass and legs and wants to show you she can fuck like a 20 year old. Everytime a younger pretty girl walked by say 20-30 she would grip my hand and whisper how she likes to fuck me this night. All her friends thought everything was normal but in the states the woman are 30 pounds heavier and 15 years older and have attitudes. Also she felt like she was competing with US women so she was open to everything I wanted to do--CIM, swallow, greek, I did not push ass to mouth but I think she would have tried that too.
Best part she is 5'5" 115 pounds, great ass and legs and wants to show you she can fuck like a 20 year old. Everytime a younger pretty girl walked by say 20-30 she would grip my hand and whisper how she likes to fuck me this night. All her friends thought everything was normal but in the states the woman are 30 pounds heavier and 15 years older and have attitudes. Also she felt like she was competing with US women so she was open to everything I wanted to do--CIM, swallow, greek, I did not push ass to mouth but I think she would have tried that too.Just try to find one that would do half of that here in the states, wouldn't that be something! LOL but really, give them a few years here in the states, their attitude will change as well.
Just try to find one that would do half of that here in the states, wouldn't that be something! LOL but really, give them a few years here in the states, their attitude will change as well.That is what I am afraid of. If she enjoys this you would think it would not change. What changes women here. Their friends telling them that they are crazy for letting a cock in their ass? I am hoping these will be her secrets but who knows.
SE Asia Joe
09-13-08, 03:21
That is what I am afraid of. If she enjoys this you would think it would not change. What changes women here. Their friends telling them that they are crazy for letting a cock in their ass? I am hoping these will be her secrets but who knows.
I just got back from a month in the States and really pity you guys there!
From your postings, I see that things which are not even of any great consequence/big deal for us guys in Asia, are sources of wonderment and longing for you there.
Just hope things remain even-keel for the foreseeable future for us in Asia - as most parts here are getting "richer and Westernized" at an alarming rate!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
09-13-08, 05:18
OAH
Was wondering if that would be picked up. Also, wondered if it would be you that picked it up !!! Your reputation precedes you ...... and as reliable as a WG on a gyno-chair (which I once did in France).
To answer the question: I chickened out of the tour you gave to RaceTrack & Co. about a year ago.
Hope springs eternal and maybe I should set myself a goal to aim towards :D
\W
W,
We will agree to a probationary admission and give you until the end of the year to redeem yourself. Actually, catacomb action exists in many of the small towns in Guangdong. The difference is that the girls in the CP catacombs are much younger, attractive and doable. What you find in other towns is generally older, retired girls that cannot find work elsewhere. That said, I believe this type of P4P is a dying breed. As neighborhoods get upgraded, this type of neighbor is frowned upon and local authorities are urged to stop it. They also put gates up to secure the areas and without a free flow of traffic, the business dies.
OAH
I just got back from a month in the States and really pity you guys there!
From your postings, I see that things which are not even of any great consequence/big deal for us guys in Asia, are sources of wonderment and longing for you there.
Just hope things remain even-keel for the foreseeable future for us in Asia - as most parts here are getting "richer and Westernized" at an alarming rate!
SEAJWith great envy but I will be back in October and. No host bar, guys!
I just got back from a month in the States and really pity you guys there!
From your postings, I see that things which are not even of any great consequence/big deal for us guys in Asia, are sources of wonderment and longing for you there.
Just hope things remain even-keel for the foreseeable future for us in Asia - as most parts here are getting "richer and Westernized" at an alarming rate!
SEAJMaybe the girls here just aren't attracted to you. Maybe they know you are from a third world country.
SE Asia Joe
09-17-08, 09:49
Maybe the girls here just aren't attracted to you. Maybe they know you are from a third world country.
Errrr.... US Public debt $53 trillion (recently increased by another $5 trillion to cover Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae - wonder how much more for Lehman, AIG and the Big 3 gas guzzling companies?) or $448,000 per capita U.S. household.
US average household income - $50,000, average taxation 25% or $12,500 per house - which will not even cover 3% interest on your public debt.
And errrr.... your private debts?? when your saving rate had been minus 2% for .... how long?? Corporate profits? Ain't gonna happen for many more moons. And oh, your sub-prime is sinking the whole country's real estate market...with commercial credit drying up fast. Still blowing them bombs at $2 million each boom?? And how appropriate - your new commander over there is general "OhDear Me!!"
Your "first world country" is going to hell in a hand basket me-say.
Sh..t - why the hell am I even bothering to reply to a little gnit who only knows hooking in Tijuana and MP's? Damn
SEAJ
Maybe the girls here just aren't attracted to you. Maybe they know you are from a third world country.
This guy is a mental midget. All of 5 posts with most of them pissing people off about BBBJ in the TJ thread and he attacks SEAJ ? ? Gimme a break Yogi.
In to my ignore list you go.
I hope he is from Canada not from the US :)
ES
Expert Linguist
09-17-08, 11:17
Well said, Eaglestar !!
Well the attached quote from Bert51 started the chain (especially the words marked by me in bold), and since Yogi1000 did not have the patience to read the thread he missed it altogether and made that unnecessary comment about "third world countries", eliciting the SEAJ response with numbers, data and the rest.
SEAJ's original post and his experience in the US has everything to do with the way mongers find things in that country ( the attitudes). Providers routinely have the disclaimer about "what is done between consenting adults ...etc" and "donations are for the time spent for companionship" ... or something to that effect. Things would be different if every state of the US had laws like Nevada! Now you also know why the US has a separate Forum, not along with the rest of the "free world".
Could we just limit our reports on this board for what we are all here for, mates?
Best part she is 5'5" 115 pounds, great ass and legs and wants to show you she can fuck like a 20 year old. Everytime a younger pretty girl walked by say 20-30 she would grip my hand and whisper how she likes to fuck me this night. All her friends thought everything was normal but in the states the woman are 30 pounds heavier and 15 years older and have attitudes. Also she felt like she was competing with US women so she was open to everything I wanted to do--CIM, swallow, greek, I did not push ass to mouth but I think she would have tried that too.
Maybe the girls here just aren't attracted to you. Maybe they know you are from a third world country.
Could we just limit our reports on this board for what we are all here for, mates?
AMEN ! ! !
ES
Errrr.... US Public debt $53 trillion (recently increased by another $5 trillion to cover Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae - wonder how much more for Lehman, AIG and the Big 3 gas guzzling companies?) or $448,000 per capita U.S. household.
US average household income - $50,000, average taxation 25% or $12,500 per house - which will not even cover 3% interest on your public debt.
And errrr.... your private debts?? when your saving rate had been minus 2% for .... how long?? Corporate profits? Ain't gonna happen for many more moons. And oh, your sub-prime is sinking the whole country's real estate market...with commercial credit drying up fast. Still blowing them bombs at $2 million each boom?? And how appropriate - your new commander over there is general "OhDear Me!!"
Your "first world country" is going to hell in a hand basket me-say.
Sh..t - why the hell am I even bothering to reply to a little gnit who only knows hooking in Tijuana and MP's? Damn
SEAJChinese stock market down 60+% YTD
US stock market down 7%YTD
Nice try
Meiguoguizi
09-17-08, 21:09
Chinese stock market down 60+% YTD
US stock market down 7%YTD
Nice try
% of U.S. treasury notes held by China: 20% +
Chinese infrastructure expands exponentially, while the World Trade Center remains a hole in the ground on the 7th anniversary of 9/11.
Manhattan prep schools teach Mandarin.
God save the Fed as Barclays rescues Lehman.
Bank of America is an oxymoron.
Senior Members and others in the know, can you help me to understand the Chinese culture where it seems that sex is an openly excepted part of society? I'm not saying it is not openly accepted in other cultures but many cultures have either religious teachings or other traditions that limit sex to relationships or in home.
I am not looking for exceptions here I would just like some understanding into the culture with this subject.
Thanks,
MD40
Expert Linguist
09-18-08, 02:36
Even reacting to Yogi1000 is useless, so doing the work of disputing his numbers is wasting time on a lost cause like him.
Let's focus on our main objective of this Board .. mongering. Can do?
% of U.S. treasury notes held by China: 20% + ...
SE Asia Joe
09-18-08, 04:10
Even reacting to Yogi1000 is useless, so doing the work of disputing his numbers is wasting time on a lost cause like him.
Let's focus on our main objective of this Board .. mongering. Can do?
You're of course correct as this gnit can't even count - Dow 14270 H to 10609 C is 7%??? Perfect representative/product of the U.S. educational system!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-18-08, 04:24
Senior Members and others in the know, can you help me to understand the Chinese culture where it seems that sex is an openly excepted part of society? I'm not saying it is not openly accepted in other cultures but many cultures have either religious teachings or other traditions that limit sex to relationships or in home.
I am not looking for exceptions here I would just like some understanding into the culture with this subject.
Thanks,
MD40
Acceptance of present day sexual mores in China is not really a result of Chinese CULTURE; it is more a result of the economic disparity here - as it is in many other countries.
TRADITIONAL Chinese culture very much look down upon adulterous behaviour and consign females who are participants in such practices to the lowest Societal ranks. Male participants, on the other hand, are looked upon with kinder eyes and even admiration as it represents wealth, power and virility.
Present day China's sexual mores are dictated by the harsh reality that most Chinese Ladies are nowadays faced with - to the point that the sex industry has really boomed the past 30 years since 1978 when Old Deng pronounced that to get rich is glorious. And even though it has boomed, ladies in the profession are nonetheless still looked down upon and their existence is practically ignored by "polite society" - and certainly NOT "accepted" as being anything that their own sons and daughters could even contemplate being a participant in.
IMHO
SEAJ
Agreed.
Let's report personnal or racial attacks to the administrator and move on. No need for us to reinforce antagonists.
Let's talk about Tits and Snatches. I'd like to open a pub with that name. :D
Hey Joe, want to invest?
Even reacting to Yogi1000 is useless, so doing the work of disputing his numbers is wasting time on a lost cause like him.
Let's focus on our main objective of this Board .. mongering. Can do?
You're of course correct as this gnit can't even count - Dow 14270 H to 10609 C is 7%??? Perfect representative/product of the U.S. educational system!
SEAJI said YTD. That means: Year to Date. China - 60% YTD. US: -7% YTD.
You will lose if you try to compare the US economy to a third world country.
SE Asia Joe
09-19-08, 06:32
I said YTD. That means: Year to Date. China - 60% YTD. US: -7% YTD.
You will lose if you try to compare the US economy to a third world country.
Dow 12/31/07 Close - 13,328
9/18/08 close 10,982 - down 17.6%.
And yes - I have already reported you. Good bye
SEAJ
Expert Linguist
09-19-08, 08:27
SEAJ,
After adding his name to my ignore list, I do not get to see his postings. Thanks for reporting him.
Cheers ...
And yes - I have already reported you.
SEAJ
Senior Members and others in the know, can you help me to understand the Chinese culture where it seems that sex is an openly excepted part of society? I'm not saying it is not openly accepted in other cultures but many cultures have either religious teachings or other traditions that limit sex to relationships or in home.
I am not looking for exceptions here I would just like some understanding into the culture with this subject.
Thanks,
MD40
IMHO Chinese girls are very conservative compare to western girls. Sex is more open in western society. In a Chinese society, Chinese girls I mean normal girls with good jobs, sex is not as open. Normal Chinese girls don't want to known to be sleeping around ( sluts ). Then, working girls don't want their parents knowing what they really do working at KTV. If a Chinese girls get into the business, it's usually because of their poor economic situation.
But sex is starting to change and becoming more open like western culture.
Some just posted a report about normal girls a few days ago. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=790808&postcount=2600
SE Asia Joe
09-19-08, 10:48
SEAJ,
After adding his name to my ignore list, I do not get to see his postings. Thanks for reporting him.
Cheers ...
You're right you know!
Don't know why I bother!!
Lets get back to writing about this.
No - NOT shaven... all au naturelle:
SEAJ
Meiguoguizi
09-19-08, 12:55
Senior Members and others in the know, can you help me to understand the Chinese culture where it seems that sex is an openly excepted part of society? I'm not saying it is not openly accepted in other cultures but many cultures have either religious teachings or other traditions that limit sex to relationships or in home.
I am not looking for exceptions here I would just like some understanding into the culture with this subject.
Thanks,
MD40
Chinese call people born after 1980 'the 80+'ers ba ling duo. Single chinese born after 1980, and especially those born after 1990, liu ling duo, exhibit strikingly different sexual behavior, much to the chagrin of the older Chinese.
It has always struck me that the primary sexual value difference between the West and older Chinese is the tacit acceptance of the husband's periodic recreational sexual activity as posing no threat to the marriage, i.e. to 'the family'. It is certainly not discussed, but then the word love is also seldom used in a traditional Chinese marriage. Chinese wives can't help but know what goes on in those rooms on the upper floors of the saunas while they battle with their kids on the lower floors. As they walk the neighborhod, they too see the girls lounging in the BBSs. But the traditional Chinese wife reasons that her marriage is not threatened by her 'lao gong' going for a walk for two hours and coming back smelling of soap and perfume.
Again, the current divorce rate in major cities indicates that perhaps this acceptance no longer exists among the '80+s' and '90+s'.
The other factor that must be considered in modern China is the surplus of unattached men, those unable to find a wife. Ironically, an increased unmet demand for wives results in more working girls as a market response. Millions of men must rent because the can't afford to buy.
You brought you a good point. As China becomes more westernized, they tend to lose their core traditional values. I mean even only 70 years ago, men in China had multiple wives, 4-5-8. I was all viewed as being ok and acceptable, even a status symbol that you could have so many wives.
But as these young Chinese women are more influenced by media, western media, they tend to look down and won't put up with a guy who goes outside for a little quickie here and there.
There is a surplus of unattached men, and also a lot of single women too. Because every women in China is looking for that gold mine. That guy who's got money to take them out of poverty, or even just help them skip up a socioeconomic class, and is still waiting on the sidelines. The guys who have money are too happy mongering and dating they don't' want to settle down. The group that gets left out, are the poor Chinese men who can never find wives, because the women there are looking to marry up and they get left with nothing.
It's a very screwed up situation if you think about it. But that's how the cookie crumbles.
Asndragon
Chinese call people born after 1980 'the 80+'ers ba ling duo. Single chinese born after 1980, and especially those born after 1990, liu ling duo, exhibit strikingly different sexual behavior, much to the chagrin of the older Chinese.
It has always struck me that the primary sexual value difference between the West and older Chinese is the tacit acceptance of the husband's periodic recreational sexual activity as posing no threat to the marriage, i.e. to 'the family'. It is certainly not discussed, but then the word love is also seldom used in a traditional Chinese marriage. Chinese wives can't help but know what goes on in those rooms on the upper floors of the saunas while they battle with their kids on the lower floors. As they walk the neighborhod, they too see the girls lounging in the BBSs. But the traditional Chinese wife reasons that her marriage is not threatened by her 'lao gong' going for a walk for two hours and coming back smelling of soap and perfume.
Again, the current divorce rate in major cities indicates that perhaps this acceptance no longer exists among the '80+s' and '90+s'.
The other factor that must be considered in modern China is the surplus of unattached men, those unable to find a wife. Ironically, an increased unmet demand for wives results in more working girls as a market response. Millions of men must rent because the can't afford to buy.
Chinese call people born after 1980 'the 80+'ers ba ling duo. Single chinese born after 1980, and especially those born after 1990, liu ling duo, exhibit strikingly different sexual behavior, much to the chagrin of the older Chinese.
It has always struck me that the primary sexual value difference between the West and older Chinese is the tacit acceptance of the husband's periodic recreational sexual activity as posing no threat to the marriage, i.e. to 'the family'. It is certainly not discussed, but then the word love is also seldom used in a traditional Chinese marriage. Chinese wives can't help but know what goes on in those rooms on the upper floors of the saunas while they battle with their kids on the lower floors. As they walk the neighborhod, they too see the girls lounging in the BBSs. But the traditional Chinese wife reasons that her marriage is not threatened by her 'lao gong' going for a walk for two hours and coming back smelling of soap and perfume.
Again, the current divorce rate in major cities indicates that perhaps this acceptance no longer exists among the '80+s' and '90+s'.
The other factor that must be considered in modern China is the surplus of unattached men, those unable to find a wife. Ironically, an increased unmet demand for wives results in more working girls as a market response. Millions of men must rent because the can't afford to buy.It is a "don't tell" and "don't ask" society, it is tolerated by most women that are married to those who are successful. Chinese women do not want to lose what they have, and they know that their chance of finding someone else when they are over 35 is almost next to none. They all know what's going on and where their husbands been when they come home 2-3 am in the morning. That's why they have their ducks and the men have their chicken!
You're right you know!
Don't know why I bother!!
Lets get back to writing about this.
No - NOT shaven... all au naturelle:
SEAJYou are my hero, that is the sweetest sight ever!
Ragnarok42
09-30-08, 01:57
You're right you know!
Don't know why I bother!!
Lets get back to writing about this.
No - NOT shaven... all au naturelle:
SEAJ
God that look delicious.....
Did it taste as good as it looks? I have had one or two that had a few wisps of baby hair and they all tasted "fresh".
Thanks for sharing bro.
Meiguoguizi
10-08-08, 22:37
as someone who spends a significant amount of time and expense accumulating sexual experiences on both sides of the planet, I am amused by reports of celebrities seeking treatment for 'sexual addiction' in the U.S.
maybe I should talk to a psychiatrist, preferably one wearing a short skirt, stockings, and glasses...
any of my fellow mongers feel that they are addicts?
as someone who spends a significant amount of time and expense accumulating sexual experiences on both sides of the planet, I am amused by reports of celebrities seeking treatment for 'sexual addiction' in the U.S.
maybe I should talk to a psychiatrist, preferably one wearing a short skirt, stockings, and glasses.
any of my fellow mongers feel that they are addicts?An addiction is a pathological relationship to a mood altering experience. Sexuality is, in many ways, a mood altering experience. Loving, wanting, and needing sex is not an addiction. Feeling like you cannot get by unless you have sex borders on the pathological. Using sexuality to push away feelings of emptiness, pain, and depression rather than facing them is addictive behavior. Using sexuality as an emotional and psychological crutch is as well. It is easier to treat substance abusive or behavioral abuse such as gambling and workaholism. When it comes to things like sexuality, it is much harder to face addiction in ourselves if that is what we are experiencing or to treat it in others since, paradoxically, we have a biological need for sex. Probably the hardest form of addiction is food addiction.
I'm not saying this to imply that anyone on the forum is a sex addict.
Bored In Beijing
10-09-08, 05:58
as someone who spends a significant amount of time and expense accumulating sexual experiences on both sides of the planet, I am amused by reports of celebrities seeking treatment for 'sexual addiction' in the U.S.
maybe I should talk to a psychiatrist, preferably one wearing a short skirt, stockings, and glasses.
any of my fellow mongers feel that they are addicts?Haha. Maybe you are right, maybe it is an addiction.
I do enjoy seeking out new experiences. Of course it is all rather easy to do here and who am I to say no when it is offered so readily.
Maybe I am weak willed rather than addicted?
OldAsiaHand
10-09-08, 11:37
There is no question that I am addicted. I have been mongering for my entire life. When I am without, I have withdrawl. I feel very anxious. Wherever and whenever I travel, I seek it out. Most of the time, if I am alone, I have to find some action. For example, I will be driving home and will nearly always swing by for a quick fix. It is just that I am fortunate to be in a place where I can have my fix for such reasonable money. This is probably the main reason that I moved to Asia in the first place. I want to do as many girls as possible in my lifetime. Should I see a psychiatrist?
Just my POV.
OAH
There is no question that I am addicted. I have been mongering for my entire life
...
I want to do as many girls as possible in my lifetime. Should I see a psychiatrist?
Better not. You will just get the psychiatrist addicted to BBS girls.
Should I see a psychiatrist?
OAH
Yes, you should. But you need to find a psychiatrist with a big rack and wearing red boots, because she will understand your needs. One who is caring and truly concerned about helping you.
Remember this, the best way to overcome an addiction is to indulge it to excess.
It is also helpful to have a support group, such as the ISG Sexaholics Anonymous. We understand. We feel your pain!
Anyway, we hope you find the help you need. Brother OAH, we will pray for your rehabilitation. We love you and we are here to help!
OldAsiaHand
10-11-08, 03:32
[QUOTE=Santa]
Remember this, the best way to overcome an addiction is to indulge it to excess. [QUOTE]
I have already tried this. It did not work for me.
Joking aside, do you guys really think our hobby is an addiction?
OAH
Joking aside, do you guys really think our hobby is an addiction?
OAH
I think, when we talk about "addiction" to alcohol, drugs or cigarettes, we are talking about a pleasurable activity that is bad for our physical health. However, with the addiction to gambling, we are talking of our financial health. When we say "addiction" we are usually refering to an activity that is causing us harm.
So, if we feel we are engaging in a pleasurable sexual activity which is causing us some harm, then we might say it is an addiction. Agree?
OAH, do you feel that your sexual behavior has any negative consequences? Maybe financial, medical, moral, emotional or social?
I suppose we could say that we are addicted to something that is primarily benificial, such as exercising or eating vegetables, but that is not how we usually use the word "addiction".
Do you feel that mongering can be or is harmful to oneself?
It's open to debate......
Anybody have a comment?
What is the dictionary definition?
I've spend the many years on business in China. Had many wg, get to talk to some of them and learn of their histories.
What are the option for a poor farmers daughter in China? (most with no more than a high school education, family can't afford it)
A. If she is plain looking, she stay on the farm or move closer to the city and work in a factory. Hope to meet another boy of her economic range and be marry. Happiness optional. Life repeats.
B. She is slight to beautiful, she stay on the farm and get pick off and used by the local bosses or force to marry off to someone with money, so your family can get a slight benefit for the short term.
C. She is slight to beautiful, she move to the city and realize there are no good paying jobs for her in the real world. Factory pays too low and office places wants "better educated" girl from another city, not a "farm girl". So for most the option is in the sex industry.
She get seduced by the chance of making really good money comparing to her family life back on the farm. She might even start out at a semi-legit message place and slowly they give her the options to make more money and the next thing you know she's a prostitute. She have to hide that fact when she goes home on the holidays, now the farm look like even more for losers. She might even shares her "successful secret" to her younger beautiful girlfriends. Life repeats.
Take a look around major China cities. Where are the 6, 7 or even 8 rated girl on the street during the day?
Either they are the educated girls working for the multi-national companies or girlfriends to some rich businessmen on her arms. The rest are MIA.
At night, in the bars, hotels, KTVs, clubs, message/saunda house is where you see most of China's 18-26 good looking girls. Because this is their few high paying options are.
Thus I'm sad for China's farm girls.
Yes, I'm a terrible person because I used them too. But I also feel very sad for a whole class of my China's girls.
This is just my observation.
FernandoAlonso
10-11-08, 16:39
I've spend the many years on business in China. Had many wg, get to talk to some of them and learn of their histories.
What are the option for a poor farmers daughter in China? (most with no more than a high school education, family can't afford it)
A. If she is plain looking, she stay on the farm or move closer to the city and work in a factory. Hope to meet another boy of her economic range and be marry. Happiness optional. Life repeats.
B. She is slight to beautiful, she stay on the farm and get pick off and used by the local bosses or force to marry off to someone with money, so your family can get a slight benefit for the short term.
C. She is slight to beautiful, she move to the city and realize there are no good paying jobs for her in the real world. Factory pays too low and office places wants "better educated" girl from another city, not a "farm girl". So for most the option is in the sex industry.
She get seduced by the chance of making really good money comparing to her family life back on the farm. She might even start out at a semi-legit message place and slowly they give her the options to make more money and the next thing you know she's a prostitute. She have to hide that fact when she goes home on the holidays, now the farm look like even more for losers. She might even shares her "successful secret" to her younger beautiful girlfriends. Life repeats.
Take a look around major China cities. Where are the 6, 7 or even 8 rated girl on the street during the day?
Either they are the educated girls working for the multi-national companies or girlfriends to some rich businessmen on her arms. The rest are MIA.
At night, in the bars, hotels, KTVs, clubs, message/saunda house is where you see most of China's 18-26 good looking girls. Because this is their few high paying options are.
Thus I'm sad for China's farm girls.
Yes, I'm a terrible person because I used them too. But I also feel very sad for a whole class of my China's girls.
This is just my observation.Mate,
There is a lot of truth in what you say, however, there are girls who work hard in legitimate MPS and restaurants and whatsoever and support a family/sister for higher education/survival. Many fail because an illness occurs, sisters fails exam so the good jobs just do not pay enough and there is a new WG, but as always in China this is very fluent. Is a WG that really likes one customer and sleeps with him, maybe with 2 or 3 earning her a lot of money and using this money for education or needs? Does it ahve to be 5 guys? And what about the girls sleep with a rich man for the Gucci bag? Maybe just have one of these guys, amybe a Japanese coming 4 times a year? In China money is more important, better a ***** than poor. The real problem comes after they are 26, because if tey did not take care of ecucation and/or reserves there are no more options left if you missed the marriage train. What can they do? Back to farm? Learn something? WG or not, these are the ones left behind, the younger ones still have the chance, even if they do not take it
Just a POV
FA
I've spend the many years on business in China. Had many wg, get to talk to some of them and learn of their histories.
What are the option for a poor farmers daughter in China? (most with no more than a high school education, family can't afford it)
A. If she is plain looking, she stay on the farm or move closer to the city and work in a factory. Hope to meet another boy of her economic range and be marry. Happiness optional. Life repeats.
B. She is slight to beautiful, she stay on the farm and get pick off and used by the local bosses or force to marry off to someone with money, so your family can get a slight benefit for the short term.
C. She is slight to beautiful, she move to the city and realize there are no good paying jobs for her in the real world. Factory pays too low and office places wants "better educated" girl from another city, not a "farm girl". So for most the option is in the sex industry.
D. If her family (parents) is rich, it doesn't matter whether she is pretty or ugly. She gets to boss everybody around, including her husband if he (his family) doesn't have much money.
I've spend the many years on business in China. Had many wg, get to talk to some of them and learn of their histories.
What are the option for a poor farmers daughter in China? (most with no more than a high school education, family can't afford it)
A. If she is plain looking, she stay on the farm or move closer to the city and work in a factory. Hope to meet another boy of her economic range and be marry. Happiness optional. Life repeats.
B. She is slight to beautiful, she stay on the farm and get pick off and used by the local bosses or force to marry off to someone with money, so your family can get a slight benefit for the short term.
C. She is slight to beautiful, she move to the city and realize there are no good paying jobs for her in the real world. Factory pays too low and office places wants "better educated" girl from another city, not a "farm girl". So for most the option is in the sex industry.
She get seduced by the chance of making really good money comparing to her family life back on the farm. She might even start out at a semi-legit message place and slowly they give her the options to make more money and the next thing you know she's a prostitute. She have to hide that fact when she goes home on the holidays, now the farm look like even more for losers. She might even shares her "successful secret" to her younger beautiful girlfriends. Life repeats.
Take a look around major China cities. Where are the 6, 7 or even 8 rated girl on the street during the day?
Either they are the educated girls working for the multi-national companies or girlfriends to some rich businessmen on her arms. The rest are MIA.
At night, in the bars, hotels, KTVs, clubs, message/saunda house is where you see most of China's 18-26 good looking girls. Because this is their few high paying options are.
Thus I'm sad for China's farm girls.
Yes, I'm a terrible person because I used them too. But I also feel very sad for a whole class of my China's girls.
This is just my observation.
Here is a true story. A Taiwan friend who goes to his regular KTV saw a new server girl that he really likes and ask the hostess whethere she can be taken out but the Hostess said that the girl is new, a lot of customers have asked the same question but so far she have refused all offers. My friend really likes her and goes to the same KTV just about every other day and ask her to be his server (bring the drinks, etc).
He spent a lot of time talking to her and getting to know her. He also brings her small gifts however she have always refused to go with him. His figures that since he enjoys her company, he would just continue to go to see her and maybe one day she will go with him.
To make a long story short (too late), he keeps going back to see for for about 3 weeks but had to go back to Taiwan for some work.
He returned 2 months later and goes back to the same KTV. The second the hostess saw him, she started to laugh. Then some other the other girls started to laugh at him also. He could not figure out what they were laughing at so the hostess pulled him aside and explained.
Since he goes to the same KTV and ask for the same server girl just about every night, just about everyone working at the KTV knows that he is sweet on the girl. It turned out that 3 days after he left for Taiwan, it was paid day for everyone at the KTV. When the server girl saw how much money the KTV girls were getting for their sitting fees plus take out fee, she talked to the hostess and said that she too want to be a KTV girl. She started working as a KTV girl and going out with the customers that night. 2 months later or 2 days before my Taiwan returned to the KTV place, she had make enough money, quit her job and went home. My friend had never saw her again even though to this day, he still drop in at the KTV ever now and then to see if she had returned.
Sad but true story. My friend still misses her to this day. When I talked to him last time, he thought he might had married her if she had given him a chance.
So if you are a very pretty girl, you can have a pretty good future.
SE Asia Joe
10-12-08, 03:27
I've spend the many years on business in China. Had many wg, get to talk to some of them and learn of their histories.
What are the option for a poor farmers daughter in China? .........
Thus I'm sad for China's farm girls.
Yes, I'm a terrible person because I used them too. But I also feel very sad for a whole class of my China's girls.
This is just my observation.
Yes, I too do get to feel sad for some of the Chinese gals - but I do NOT agree with your description and actually take exception to how you describe all of them as somehow being quite brainless victims of society who are too ignorant/too lazy to do anything else.
Most - rpt, most - of these gals go into the profession with a well thought out plan to make enough to build a house for her and her parents and to go back home with a bit of cash to start a little business and to eventually get married at home. They do so with a steely resolve after weighing up all the options and by being keenly practical as to what China still is these days. Unlike their western/more developed countries's counterparts, they do NOT go into the profession as a cop out or as an easy way to make $$. They do so as they know that there is just no other way in present day China ( and you guys better hope that this stays the same way for a bit longer!!).
Yes, I do feel sad for 'em sometimes - but I also admire them for havng the balls and brains to do what they do.
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
10-12-08, 07:57
OAH, do you feel that your sexual behavior has any negative consequences? Maybe financial, medical, moral, emotional or social?
Interesting question. There are consequences:
Financial: I do spend a fair bit of money on mongering but I suppose guys spend money on things they enjoy anyway e.g. other entertainment, sport, etc. On other hand, I do not spend more than I can afford or deny any other obligations I have.
Medical: There is always the medical risk in the background. I have had all the sexually communicable diseases with the exception of the big one. There may also be some risk to taking V & C all the time.
Moral: This is a long debate in its own right. I personally feel that I am doing nothing morally wrong. Society may believe otherwise.
Emotional: I do have the anxious feeling when I am away from the action. I feel much better after I get my sexual fix. I never get emotionally involved with either P4P or freebies.
Social: I do have to lead a double life so to speak. In some business and social circles, I have to be careful. I am more fortunate than others in that I am based in Asia where our hobby is more accepted and I am grateful for this forum for affording me the opportunity to meet guys with the same interests.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
10-12-08, 08:24
Yes, I too do get to feel sad for some of the Chinese gals - but I do NOT agree with your description and actually take exception to how you describe all of them as somehow being quite brainless victims of society who are too ignorant/too lazy to do anything else.
Most - rpt, most - of these gals go into the profession with a well thought out plan to make enough to build a house for her and her parents and to go back home with a bit of cash to start a little business and to eventually get married at home. They do so with a steely resolve after weighing up all the options and by being keenly practical as to what China still is these days. Unlike their western/more developed countries's counterparts, they do NOT go into the profession as a cop out or as an easy way to make $$. They do so as they know that there is just no other way in present day China ( and you guys better hope that this stays the same way for a bit longer!!).
Yes, I do feel sad for 'em sometimes - but I also admire them for havng the balls and brains to do what they do.
SEAJ
SEAJ,
Do you really think that an 18 yo BBS girl is thinking that far ahead about a house, a business and a husband when she first arrives on the game? My sense is that she just sees it as an easier way to earn more money than other alternatives. She just wants to send money home to help the family. Period. IMHO, there is no long term plan in her mind at this stage.
Most of the time, she is introduced to the business by a friend from her hometown that is doing it already. This is how she rationalizes taking the first step.
That said, she may start to develop a strategic plan after she has a bit of experience on the game e.g. starts talking to the punters, other girls in the biz, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH
Interesting question. There are consequences:
Financial: I do spend a fair bit of money on mongering but I suppose guys spend money on things they enjoy anyway e.g. other entertainment, sport, etc. On other hand, I do not spend more than I can afford or deny any other obligations I have.
Medical: There is always the medical risk in the background. I have had all the sexually communicable diseases with the exception of the big one. There may also be some risk to taking V & C all the time.
Moral: This is a long debate in its own right. I personally feel that I am doing nothing morally wrong. Society may believe otherwise.
Emotional: I do have the anxious feeling when I am away from the action. I feel much better after I get my sexual fix. I never get emotionally involved with either P4P or freebies.
Social: I do have to lead a double life so to speak. In some business and social circles, I have to be careful. I am more fortunate than others in that I am based in Asia where our hobby is more accepted and I am grateful for this forum for affording me the opportunity to meet guys with the same interests.
Just my POV.
OAH
Based upon my psychoanalytical appraisal of your condition, I conclude that you are afflicted by a severe addiction.
You have two options for a cure.
1. Castration: This will not eliminate your desire but will prevent you from indulging your addiction.
2. Excessive Indulgence: To satiate the desire and thereby overcome the addiction through satisfaction.
SE Asia Joe
10-12-08, 10:49
SEAJ,
Do you really think that an 18 yo BBS girl is thinking that far ahead about a house, a business and a husband when she first arrives on the game?
OAHRex sees the Chinese gal's view thru Western tinted glasses, OAH thru a "way-too-jaded" monger whilst I look thru a bit of rose tinted one. Yup!! There's a happy medium somewhere in there!
SEAJ
Rex sees the Chinese gal's view thru Western tinted glasses, OAH thru a "way-too-jaded" monger whilst I look thru a bit of rose tinted one. Yup!! There's a happy medium somewhere in there!
SEAJYes I'm a ABC, so my view is from the west. Also because I almost fell for one of the high-end message place where the girl can touch you and even HJ but no FS.
I went and saw her 4 days in a row, now I'm back in the States and we chat online once in a while. So the more I know about her the more I feel sad for her and others like her.
She reminded me so much of the ABC girls, not trashy like most of my WG experience. Funny in the western ways. I knew someone that looked like her when I was in college 20 years ago. Because of bad fate, her family didn't have the luck or way to move up the economy ladder, she'll become a full WG one day very soon, if not already.
I just feel bad for some of them, fate is a *****.
Yes, I do feel sad for 'em sometimes - but I also admire them for havng the balls and brains to do what they do.
SEAJI agreed, most have more balls than most of us. They are really stepping into a mine field. Their risk is high and the reward is low.
Comparing to them, our risk and reward in the business world is nothing. We're just luckier than they because of where we're born.
Sorry, I'll get off my soap box.
He spent a lot of time talking to her and getting to know her. He also brings her small gifts however she have always refused to go with him. His figures that since he enjoys her company, he would just continue to go to see her and maybe one day she will go with him....
To make a long story short (too late), he keeps going back to see for for about 3 weeks but had to go back to Taiwan for some work.
Sad but true story. My friend still misses her to this day. When I talked to him last time, he thought he might had married her if she had given him a chance.Anyone of us can repeat this story. I've been mongoring for many, many years, this is the first time I've feelings for a wg and feel bad for her and her sisters in the field.
We (I) needs to be careful and don't get emotional connected to the situation.
I read a quote somewhere once that says "we can all be gay, we just needed to meet the right person". The "right" person can change any of us... including getting married. LOL.
Rex sees the Chinese gal's view thru Western tinted glasses, OAH thru a "way-too-jaded" monger whilst I look thru a bit of rose tinted one. Yup!! There's a happy medium somewhere in there!
SEAJIMHO, china is a sort of a society that is hard to understand from the outside. let me point out the normal working salary of the working class in the big cities is 800-1200 rmb a month, working 12 hours a day and 6 days a week. now if someone was shown that you could make that in a week without working your ass off, it could be quite tempting.
chinese women have a very strong will and majority of them are dedicated to their family to the point where most people could not even begin to understand. i admire them and i feel for them. i believed for whatever reasons that they are here, just enjoyed them now . . . puff, they might be gone tomorrow.
SEAJ,
Do you really think that an 18 yo BBS girl is thinking that far ahead about a house, a business and a husband when she first arrives on the game? My sense is that she just sees it as an easier way to earn more money than other alternatives. She just wants to send money home to help the family. Period. IMHO, there is no long term plan in her mind at this stage.
OAHI wouldn't underestimate our young friends! In Dongguan, for example, the factory girls are recruited all over China for the big companies, arrive at about age 20, typically work for 5 years, then go back home to get married. They are paid very little, but their expenses are low, and they can save enough to get a good start on family life.
If the factory girls can look ahead for five years, why can't the working girls do as well? Of course, the money can be a lot better!
SE Asia Joe
10-13-08, 03:58
. let me point out the normal working salary of the working class in the big cities is 800-1200 rmb a month, .......... i believed for whatever reasons that they are here, just enjoyed them now . . . puff, they might be gone tomorrow.
and..... did you know that just 5 or 6 years ago, the average salary was somewhere in the 400-600 region?? And that on top of that, they now get long service protection, insurance, health benefits, better full accomodation and meals, etc etc?? (which adds up another 30-40% to the base salary). And that the US$ was 8.20-1 and now 6.80 - 1?
Things ARE moving fast in China - whilst the rest of the world is going to hell in a hand basket. Pretty soon its gonna be THEM taking pity of us - never mind all these BSD Foreigners disappearing/NOT being able to afford the services of our sisters any longer!!
So enjoy, enjoy, and enjoy more now. These days ARE numbered!!
IMHO + only my opinion
SEAJ
IMHO, china is a sort of a society that is hard to understand from the outside. let me point out the normal working salary of the working class in the big cities is 800-1200 rmb a month, working 12 hours a day and 6 days a week. now if someone was shown that you could make that in a week without working your ass off, it could be quite tempting.
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That's on the bottom though, for people like factory line workers and basic service staff. The median income in places like Guangzhou and Shenzhen is like 6000-7000RMB a month, which means half the people make at least that. Not to mention that 6-7K goes a lot further here than in the US. Chinese people aren't as poor as you think.
SE Asia Joe
10-13-08, 04:14
Yes I'm a ABC, so my view is from the west. Also because I almost fell for one of the high-end message place where the girl can touch you and even HJ but no FS.
I went and saw her 4 days in a row, now I'm back in the States and we chat online once in a while. So the more I know about her the more I feel sad for her and others like her.
She reminded me so much of the ABC girls, not trashy like most of my WG experience. Funny in the western ways. I knew someone that looked like her when I was in college 20 years ago. Because of bad fate, her family didn't have the luck or way to move up the economy ladder, she'll become a full WG one day very soon, if not already.
I just feel bad for some of them, fate is a *****.
Actually..... ABC's are really worse about these things than even the regular American - in that you not only have the bleeding heart up-bringing of the Good Ole USA, but you bananas also feel a lot of kinship for your sisters of the same color!!
Your once a year - or even less frequent visits to the Middle Kingdom is usually quite an eye-opener and you guys promptly get all starry eyed and like deers vs. headlights.
Sorry - but I really am just telling the truth and NOT trying to belittle you or any other ABC's. You are only seeing the surface of a lot of things in China and don't really understand the actual dynamics of Chinese society. Hell, even I, who've been tromping in China since the mid 80"s and who live in Hong Kong still do not fully understand it all - so what chance do you guys have??
Please also remember that no matter where or which country - WG's ARE wg's! And save yourself a lot of heart-ache in the future.
just my very humble opinion and I am NOT flaming you or anybody - so take it easy on me before you let both barrels come ablazin' - OK?
SE Asia Joe
10-13-08, 04:19
That's on the bottom though, for people like factory line workers and basic service staff. The median salary in places like Guangzhou and Shenzhen is like 6000-7000RMB a month, which means half the people make at least that. Chinese people aren't as poor as you think.
YUP - and add the 30-40% benefits etc, you're looking at close to 10K/month which is approx US$1,400. Compared that to .... how many percent?.... making the Federal Minimum wage of $5.50/hour, X 40 X 4.5 weeks = approx $1,000/monnth LESS your wonderful US taxes..... so who are now the poor guys??
SEAJ
That's on the bottom though, for people like factory line workers and basic service staff. The median income in places like Guangzhou and Shenzhen is like 6000-7000RMB a month, which means half the people make at least that. Chinese people aren't as poor as you think.And so what are we talking about? People that come out of smaller cities with little or no education is going straight to the median range? Dude, I was born there and I still have friends all over hk and China. Many of them are not making those kind of money and most of them have master degrees. Hook my friends up, they will bow to you.
and..... did you know that just 5 or 6 years ago, the average salary was somewhere in the 400-600 region?? And that on top of that, they now get long service protection, insurance, health benefits, better full accomodation and meals, etc etc?? (which adds up another 30-40% to the base salary). And that the US$ was 8.20-1 and now 6.80 - 1?
Things ARE moving fast in China - whilst the rest of the world is going to hell in a hand basket. Pretty soon its gonna be THEM taking pity of us - never mind all these BSD Foreigners disappearing/NOT being able to afford the services of our sisters any longer!!
So enjoy, enjoy, and enjoy more now. These days ARE numbered!!
IMHO + only my opinion
SeajYou are so right, SEAJ. Many of my friends over there are teasing me now, telling me they have all the our us money. I remember just a few years ago they were fighting me for the exchange, paying me above the rate to get their hands on us bills. Now, they are telling me to go to the local exchange place.
With the rate that China is going, eventually they will even own the rest of us. Really, guys. Enjoy it now, it will go away just like taiwan twenty years ago.
Actually..... ABC's are really worse about these things than even the regular American - in that you not only have the bleeding heart up-bringing of the Good Ole USA, but you bananas also feel a lot of kinship for your sisters of the same color!!
Your once a year - or even less frequent visits to the Middle Kingdom is usually quite an eye-opener and you guys promptly get all starry eyed and like deers vs. headlights.
Please also remember that no matter where or which country - WG's ARE wg's! And save yourself a lot of heart-ache in the future. You are right, being an ABC I do feel kinship to my sisters, I don't feel the same way for the wg in America. The more I know about them, the worst I feel about their bad faith. What's the different between a WG in China vs. A Coed in SoCal? Nothing but the families they born into.
I've spend on family vacations that cost more than they make in few years.
I just wanted to help the ones I know. I know I can't. It's not the money problem, my wife will kill me she know of my adventures in China. LOL
I got to get more lays and move on.
SE Asia Joe
10-14-08, 09:10
You are right, being an ABC I do feel kinship to my sisters, I don't feel the same way for the wg in America. The more I know about them, the worst I feel about their bad faith. What's the different between a WG in China vs. A Coed in SoCal? Nothing but the families they born into.
I've spend on family vacations that cost more than they make in few years.
I just wanted to help the ones I know. I know I can't. It's not the money problem, my wife will kill me she know of my adventures in China. LOL
I got to get more lays and move on.
It's perfectly fine for you to be "human" with those you like, to even fall in love with them AT THE TIME THAT YOU ARE WITH THEM - but you must at all times remember at the back of your head that this is nothing than a temporary thing and that you do have ties, responsiblities and your place in your own society. Never get all crazy and .... whatever. Like I said, you must always remember that you are after all, with a WG.
And as far as how much they earn vs. what you spend/earn - this has absolutely nothing to do with how you feel or not feel for them. Their reference point is their reference point and its not only meaningless for you to compare, but its actually quite bad for:
1. her to know as then you've totally screwed up their brains that they're earning so little for actually having to sell their body
2. you as then you either become
a. a BSD splashing $$ all over,
b.look down upon their meaningless life or worse
c. get all confused as your emotions tells you this ain't right and yet the stark reality is that this IS what the world is all about. This last one is what really screws a lot of foreigners - especially ABC's! - when they get to china.
As far as what's the difference between a Chinese WG and a SoCal co-ed - hell what's the difference between you, I and Bill Gates? Fate is Fate and each one of us have our own road to travel. Me, I look at all that goes around me with as much care, understanding and sympathy as I must have as a human being - but I do not let anything skew me too much one way or the other - as I myslef also have my own fate to live through. And if you understand that fate is fate, you will not feel so bad about things around you - for each one of us live our own fate and find happiness in whatever way that fate provides for us.
Whew.... enough of this philosopysing crap from me - gotta get back to 'em nice young 'uns fast!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-14-08, 09:32
I've spend on family vacations that cost more than they make in few years.
You know what guys - what with the markets getting all crazy and everything, I've stopped trading for now and have, as a kind of diversion, actually started to figure out how much I'm actually spending on "my hobby" Surprisingly, I've actually been spending more than I thought in "cheap China"
Last 3 day week-end in CP - RMB 5,620
Last week Wednesday in CA Sauna/KTV - RMB 1.620
Previous 3 day week-end CP-CA-CP - RMB5,890
total RMB 13,130. That's close to US$2,000 in less than 2 weeks..... and I haven't even counted the transport costs in. OK OK for a BSD and for the occassional traveller to China - that's really peanuts - but for us, sort of more regular "partookers," these small amounts really mount up. So who says that mongering in China is cheap??!!
am interested to learn what others spend on "our Hobby" in China - especially you OAH and Wadman - you guys never let up and are on the game everyday!!
SEAJ
Meiguoguizi
10-14-08, 13:36
You know what guys - what with the markets getting all crazy and everything, I've stopped trading for now and have, as a kind of diversion, actually started to figure out how much I'm actually spending on "my hobby" Surprisingly, I've actually been spending more than I thought in "cheap China"
Last 3 day week-end in CP - RMB 5,620
Last week Wednesday in CA Sauna/KTV - RMB 1.620
Previous 3 day week-end CP-CA-CP - RMB5,890
total RMB 13,130. That's close to US$2,000 in less than 2 weeks..... and I haven't even counted the transport costs in. OK OK for a BSD and for the occassional traveller to China - that's really peanuts - but for us, sort of more regular "partookers," these small amounts really mount up. So who says that mongering in China is cheap??!!
am interested to learn what others spend on "our Hobby" in China - especially you OAH and Wadman - you guys never let up and are on the game everyday!!
SEAJ
I have friends that buy baseball cards that remind them of their childhood. I have friends that need a new BMW every year and a new house every 3 years. I have friends that must play golf at a private club that charges tens of thousands in membership fees....
During my bi-annual trips to China, each of 6 or 7 weeks, I will spend approximately 15K annually on MY hobby, about a grand a week.
I place a premium on experiences over possessions. My choice in life is watching a beautiful young face staring downwards as I enter her.
For some people a perfect 9-iron out of the rough is their prized recollection...
OldAsiaHand
10-14-08, 14:21
am interested to learn what others spend on "our Hobby" in China - especially you OAH and Wadman - you guys never let up and are on the game everyday!!
SEAJ
I never calculate how much I spend, but as you know, I usually stick to BBS girls in CP for example. Yesterday, I did three including my morning wake-up call. Total was only 590 RMB. But then you have to add the gas, tolls, hotel, food, drinks, etc. China is cheap. I am not on the game everyday though. Only 3-4 times per week.
In other countries, I spend much more. I was 3 days in FKK last year and spent over 1,000 Euro. I did a porn star in USA and spent 1,100 US$ ST. I spend 38,000 Yen for Asian Mystique girls in Tokyo.
So, lets say I do 150-200 girls per year at an average of 400 RMB including BBS, Sauna and KTV girls in China plus overseas action, it is only around 10k US$ per year. The average could be a bit low, but pretty close.
OAH
You know what guys - what with the markets getting all crazy and everything, I've stopped trading for now and have, as a kind of diversion, actually started to figure out how much I'm actually spending on "my hobby" Surprisingly, I've actually been spending more than I thought in "cheap China"
Last 3 day week-end in CP - RMB 5,620
Last week Wednesday in CA Sauna/KTV - RMB 1.620
Previous 3 day week-end CP-CA-CP - RMB5,890
total RMB 13,130. That's close to US$2,000 in less than 2 weeks..... and I haven't even counted the transport costs in. OK OK for a BSD and for the occassional traveller to China - that's really peanuts - but for us, sort of more regular "partookers," these small amounts really mount up. So who says that mongering in China is cheap??!!
am interested to learn what others spend on "our Hobby" in China - especially you OAH and Wadman - you guys never let up and are on the game everyday!!
SEAJ
Joe, here is a primer on how to cut costs:
1. Mongering should be like eating food; stop fucking when your appetite is gone. And it saves you money on your Actogel too.
2. Stay at cheaper hotels: Swanlake, Huayu. What's the point of staying at Miraton if you get BBS girls from Yalan/Swanlake area, and then go right back to Swanlake KTV?
3. Instead of paying for a hotel room and going to KTV, and taking one back, do the following. Go to KTV (if you must), pay the girl her sitting fee and send her on her way. It will be past 12 midnight by now. Go to a sauna to get your fix, and overnight for free. Cheaper, and better service from sauna girl to boot.
4. Stop making these "friends" with KTV mommies, KTV girls, BBS girls. They will only cost you more money. And for what?
5. Do like OAH. Stick to BBS girls. I rarely take out KTV girls these days, unless I get some really good vibes from her.
So, lets say I do 150-200 girls per year at an average of 400 RMB including BBS, Sauna and KTV girls in China plus overseas action, it is only around 10k US$ per year. The average could be a bit low, but pretty close.
OAHYou are my god.
I wish I could move to China for a year or two.
SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 04:40
Joe, here is a primer on how to cut costs:
1. Mongering should be like eating food; stop fucking when your appetite is gone. And it saves you money on your Actogel too.
This advise - I REALLY gotta take to heart. The whole "going Crazy" whilst the cat's away is getting out of hand for BOTH the pocket as well as the body. Too damn old to still wanna act like an 18 Y.O.! Yup, gotta limit myslef
2. Stay at cheaper hotels: Swanlake, Huayu. What's the point of staying at Miraton if you get BBS girls from Yalan/Swanlake area, and then go right back to Swanlake KTV?
Hey - you KNOW that I;ve started staying at the Swan Lake I/o Miraton - but for other reasons than just $$. The 100 or so difference for hotels in CP don't really mount to much actually. But yes - every little bit counts in our "hobby" - right?
3. Instead of paying for a hotel room and going to KTV, and taking one back, do the following. Go to KTV (if you must), pay the girl her sitting fee and send her on her way. It will be past 12 midnight by now. Go to a sauna to get your fix, and overnight for free. Cheaper, and better service from sauna girl to boot.
You know what, I've figured out that this is THE one single item I'm gonna limit. KTV's are the one item that STANDS out as being
1. A waste of money: I mean its AT least RMB 800 - and easily gets up to twice that amount for the cost of the KTV (250-900 depending on where and who you're with!), plus being suckered into paying for all them stupid candies or worse, the stupid stuffed animals (20 - 100), Dance fees (this is outrageous at the DFML KTV last week wasn't it?) - AND the Gal's fee of anywhere from 300-1,000 for ST!. For that kind of money, I can get 4 - 8 BBS gals who will be a lot nicer as I get to chose from at least a hundred or so i/o from the limited line-ups at the KTV, less pretentious.... and much more grateful that I would chose them. i.e. I've had many more GFE experiences w/BBS gals than KTV gals.
2. A total waste of mongering time as it involves all that stupid drinking, singing, playing pointless dice games and even previous to the KTV "experience".... running around to get booking for a KTV room. Forccrissakes - what's the big deal w/KTV's that you've got to make "reservations" to get a room - as if the mommies/managers are actually doing YOU a favor by taking your reservations whilst the truth of the matter is that you are doing THEM a favor as they are required by the KTV's to sell their quota or face penalties etc. Jeeesssh!!
3. Yes, just pay 'em their sitting fee is what I'll do the next time I go to a 2-5-8 or higher priced KTV - and do our friends' favorite switcheroo and go to the night market.
4. Stop making these "friends" with KTV mommies, KTV girls, BBS girls. They will only cost you more money. And for what? Nah.... this part I don't think I'll follow your advise as I've had quite good experience w/making friends w/these gals - and even 2-5-8 KTV gals, I've had a couple or so of 'em who're just happy to see me and will accept just about anything I give her (anywhere from 100 to 500 for always GFE sessions). This part I still like and can be handled economically.
5. Do like OAH. Stick to BBS girls. I rarely take out KTV girls these days, unless I get some really good vibes from her.
YES YES YES.... and thanks y'all for all your input.
SEAL
SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 04:59
I have friends that buy baseball cards that remind them of their childhood. I have friends that need a new BMW every year and a new house every 3 years. I have friends that must play golf at a private club that charges tens of thousands in membership fees....
During my bi-annual trips to China, each of 6 or 7 weeks, I will spend approximately 15K annually on MY hobby, about a grand a week.
I place a premium on experiences over possessions. My choice in life is watching a beautiful young face staring downwards as I enter her.
For some people a perfect 9-iron out of the rough is their prized recollection...
Yes - I can see where it would make sense for a visitor to China to go all out during their time here. But in the case of a few of us, we're actually sitting here and its a daily temptation. Temptation that if NOT reined in, can start to mount up to quite meaningful sums. I've always taken pride in never allowing my "hobby" to interfere or otherwise lower the level of my "normal life" and all the repsonsibilities that goes with such life - but I'm starting to see that US$2k in 11 days will mount up to quite meaningful sums very soon.
When I was ayoung man, I always equated every purchase/plan to purchase with the number of Baby shoes that such sums will buy.... and it usually brings me to a rational decision if such purchase is indeed worthed or not. Well, even at today's prices, I imagine I could still buy at least 40 pairs of baby shoes for $2K cain't I?? and if I continue my pattern of spending, I could buy over a thousand pair of shoes in a year!! I know I know, ridiculous to count this way - but even for you - think about it - you spend at least 300 pairs of Baby shoes = $15K (for your grandchildren?!!) and for what?? Multiple times of looking at Deers in headlights as you enter 'em?? And come to think of it - do you actually REMEMBER each one you entered? Hell, I've already forgotten at least half of the ones I did past couple weeks!! so what kind of "experience to remember" are they all??
Just IMHO - and quite new humble opinion here!!
SEAJ
Hell, I've already forgotten at least half of the ones I did past couple weeks
SEAJ
Forgetting half the girls is ok, because when you return, half of them are new girls.
As for the cost we should remember a quote from Taiwan Ray, "don't go to heaven and leave the money in the bank".
SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 10:39
Forgetting half the girls is ok, because when you return, half of them are new girls.
As for the cost we should remember a quote from Taiwan Ray, "don't go to heaven and leave the money in the bank".
And that is why I take pictures!! Fact is, I tell 'em straight out that unless I take their picture, I will not be able to remember who they are. TRUE!! and somehow - incredibly - they then usually allow me to at least take clothed pictures of them!!
SEAJ
Ps. Half newbies, half good old 'n realiable ones, is usually an ideal and great combination for an enjoyable sojourn
For me I usually set aside an annual budget which I break down into a daily run rate when I am the hunt plus a reserve for contingent extras (treats that if they fit in or work out I can go for).
For example, my usual hunting run rate annual reserve is US$6K. I use this either for BBS/Sauna's/SW's in ZH/SZ/CP including travel, lodging, food, accoutrements of the trade & screwing eg: I tend towards doing a weekly binge every couple of months and the last one hit me for US$1.3K but there were two particular excesses that made the trade off cut.
Contingent reserve is really just a buffer that I keep in case there is financial room for a feel good factor. For example, in Jan this year I was in Europe and took a couple of days to visit Germany (FKK's & Haus'), Switzerland (Swinger & gangbang scene), Hungary (Privats) etc. In the past, I've used the contingent fund to play in Japan where kinky is fun or S&M clubs. But if I had to I could easily skip these activities and bank the cash as a rollover stash for the next year. This year I've allowed myself indulge in the KTV theme as an exploration of whether I like it or not. It takes me a while to make up my mind since I am initially very timid and slow in making a decision.
I am leaning one way on the whole KTV thing but still undecided. I don't drink, smoke, find the games innane, need sleep during the day to keep awake into the early hours 'cos I wanna bang but sometimes when you're with a great crowd/team and gals get wild its sure a winner. Decision is likely to be depends on the crew but mostly miss not hit. I kinda diversified out into mongering from years and years of just doing the sauna scene.
As a recovering beancounter, I am pretty strict about managing my bankroll. It also helps me to be disciplined since I have seperate bank accounts, cards, travel papers to keep my real life distinct from my sporting life.
Good feedback and great question this one :confused:
This is just how I keep it segregated.
Wapec
You know what guys - what with the markets getting all crazy and everything, I've stopped trading for now and have, as a kind of diversion, actually started to figure out how much I'm actually spending on "my hobby" Surprisingly, I've actually been spending more than I thought in "cheap China"
Last 3 day week-end in CP - RMB 5,620
Last week Wednesday in CA Sauna/KTV - RMB 1.620
Previous 3 day week-end CP-CA-CP - RMB5,890
total RMB 13,130. That's close to US$2,000 in less than 2 weeks..... and I haven't even counted the transport costs in. OK OK for a BSD and for the occassional traveller to China - that's really peanuts - but for us, sort of more regular "partookers," these small amounts really mount up. So who says that mongering in China is cheap??!!
am interested to learn what others spend on "our Hobby" in China - especially you OAH and Wadman - you guys never let up and are on the game everyday!!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
10-15-08, 13:51
I always forget the girls I have done. I end up picking the same girl again since I am looking for a type that strikes my fancy. They normally will not say anything about it or wait until after you are back in the room. The girls can be tricky too. The smart ones change their hair, make-up, dress style etc. in order to be different.
Just my POV.
OAH
Forgetting half the girls is ok, because when you return, half of them are new girls.
As for the cost we should remember a quote from Taiwan Ray, "don't go to heaven and leave the money in the bank".
You know SEAJ is sometimes full of it but every now and then he comes out with some real jewels - pearls of wisdom. This is one of those times.
It may be hard but for any newbies or newish mongers out there. You may not recognise the wisdom in these comments right now but as you mature into the scene I promise you that one day you'll look back and much of what SEAJ has shared will resonate.
This is an area that I struggled internally with for years. In the real world I am fairly laid back and easy going in terms of personality more of a performance driven but with a heart type. I found in my early days of mongering that my monger personality was very cold and empty towards gals ie: fuck & shuck. Not nasty or brutal just cold and heartless. Never came out or deliberately took this out on a gal to be clear more an inner mentality thing.
It took me a long time resolve this difference between my normal life self conceptualisation of myself and the other colder side. Because of this coldness I found myself going down avenues of excess and extremism which led to twinges of concern about where it would lead eg: I would get too close the gals or pursue more deviant areas of the sport. This led me to eventually decide to try to come out of my shell and try out a more social approach to mongering about 18 months ago. I was for a decade and more a single solo hunter.
Now I tend to hang with folks that have a healthy attitude to the sport, themselves and the gals. Whilst it may sound immature or juvenile I am more comfortable in myself, find that my monger and real personalities are much closer, I don't get emotionally confused, and generally find it easier to make a human connection with the gal to the extent that its easy to have fun, fuck and hang out with gals (bearing in mind that they are fuck buddies but people that happen to have wonderful pussies & asses & tits).
Is this just my stream of mangled up consciousness or have others found they've had similar types of experiences ? Interested to know and am not just bullshitting. I know SEAJ's views as we've spoken, same for Santa & know Wadman by observation.
Sincerely yours in abstentia ....... \Wapec
It's perfectly fine for you to be "human" with those you like, to even fall in love with them AT THE TIME THAT YOU ARE WITH THEM - but you must at all times remember at the back of your head that this is nothing than a temporary thing and that you do have ties, responsiblities and your place in your own society. Never get all crazy and .... whatever. Like I said, you must always remember that you are after all, with a WG.
And as far as how much they earn vs. what you spend/earn - this has absolutely nothing to do with how you feel or not feel for them. Their reference point is their reference point and its not only meaningless for you to compare, but its actually quite bad for:
1. her to know as then you've totally screwed up their brains that they're earning so little for actually having to sell their body
2. you as then you either become
a. a BSD splashing $$ all over,
b.look down upon their meaningless life or worse
c. get all confused as your emotions tells you this ain't right and yet the stark reality is that this IS what the world is all about. This last one is what really screws a lot of foreigners - especially ABC's! - when they get to china.
As far as what's the difference between a Chinese WG and a SoCal co-ed - hell what's the difference between you, I and Bill Gates? Fate is Fate and each one of us have our own road to travel. Me, I look at all that goes around me with as much care, understanding and sympathy as I must have as a human being - but I do not let anything skew me too much one way or the other - as I myslef also have my own fate to live through. And if you understand that fate is fate, you will not feel so bad about things around you - for each one of us live our own fate and find happiness in whatever way that fate provides for us.
Whew.... enough of this philosopysing crap from me - gotta get back to 'em nice young 'uns fast!!
SEAJ
I always forget the girls I have done. I end up picking the same girl again since I am looking for a type that strikes my fancy. They normally will not say anything about it or wait until after you are back in the room. The girls can be tricky too. The smart ones change their hair, make-up, dress style etc. in order to be different.
Just my POV.
OAHThere is nothing better than having the memory of a gold fish (3 seconds). Every time he does his round in the glass he makes a new experience, never getting bored.
SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 14:49
You know SEAJ is sometimes full of it but every now and then he comes out with some real jewels - pearls of wisdom. This is one of those times.
It may be hard but for any newbies or newish mongers out there. You may not recognise the wisdom in these comments right now but as you mature into the scene I promise you that one day you'll look back and much of what SEAJ has shared will resonate.
....... \Wapec
Hey Wapec - that's VERY nice of you. Never knew you had such a softee side inside all that gregariousness!! NICE!!!
But at this rate, we're soon all gonna start singing Kumbaya!! I gotta be careful!
SEAJ
Personally, I worship at the alter of the 150-200 gals per year not OAH himself.
Do you know where mouth is located if you kneel before the spread legs of a standing woman ?
I am fairly sure that is where OAH worships too. Bets anybody ?
JMPOV
Wapec
You are my god.
I wish I could move to China for a year or two.
And that is why I take pictures!! Fact is, I tell 'em straight out that unless I take their picture, I will not be able to remember who they are. TRUE!! and somehow - incredibly - they then usually allow me to at least take clothed pictures of them!! What a great idea. My iPhone camera sucks, how do you take a regular camera to these room? Are they allow?
After photographing these girls, I upload the photo to my own private gmail account and enjoy them once in a while. I don't keep any on my own computer.
SE Asia Joe
10-16-08, 10:16
What a great idea. My iPhone camera sucks, how do you take a regular camera to these room? Are they allow?
After photographing these girls, I upload the photo to my own private gmail account and enjoy them once in a while. I don't keep any on my own computer.
Welll..... actually I just persist .... in a sort of playful way.... and stop when I get asked to.... and start again... and stop and .... Its pretty well just pushing the envellope as far as I can without being nasty or anything, and seeing how far I can go.
One thing I do NOt do is share my pictures with third parties .... or post it up without making sure that I pretty well disguise the actual gal - so as to NOT cause any problems/embarrasment etc., as I do feel that they at least deserve this. For the most part, I use the pictures for my own enjoyment like you.
SEAJ
Among my many pleasures I have contacted women from dozens of Asian personals sites and engaged in picture exchanges. My goal in each case has been to have them send me every sexier pictures including bra and panties, swim suits, and in once case a scantily clad, buxom woman from Fujian doing yoga. I have also engaged in virtual sex and photography with two women from China and one from Thailand. It isn't nearly as good as the real thing but since I've decided to stop mongering for the last few years (for practical reasons, not moral ones) this has been a nice alternative. With this in mind I'm wondering if anyone can recommend good personals sites for Chinese and Thai women in addition to the following:
chinesefriendfinder/asiafriendfinder/adultfriendfinder
chinesekisses/thaikisses/asiankisses/filipinokisses
chinalovematch
blossoms
thaidarling
thailovematch
photoaid
I am hoping to find sits that:
1. have nice high resolution photos
2. feature many mature women from late 20s through early 40s
3. have women who are willing to show more of their slutty side
Probably the one person who can answer this best is Eaglestar. I am such a fan of his work and see that he has the same taste in women and habits of pursuit as I do.
Thanks for any info you brothers may have.
FogRing
Loveasiangirls
10-23-08, 17:02
Among my many pleasures I have contacted women from dozens of Asian personals sites and engaged in picture exchanges. My goal in each case has been to have them send me every sexier pictures including bra and panties, swim suits, and in once case a scantily clad, buxom woman from Fujian doing yoga. I have also engaged in virtual sex and photography with two women from China and one from Thailand. It isn't nearly as good as the real thing but since I've decided to stop mongering for the last few years (for practical reasons, not moral ones) this has been a nice alternative. With this in mind I'm wondering if anyone can recommend good personals sites for Chinese and Thai women in addition to the following:
chinesefriendfinder/asiafriendfinder/adultfriendfinder
chinesekisses/thaikisses/asiankisses/filipinokisses
chinalovematch
blossoms
thaidarling
thailovematch
photoaid
I am hoping to find sits that:
1. have nice high resolution photos
2. feature many mature women from late 20s through early 40s
3. have women who are willing to show more of their slutty side
Probably the one person who can answer this best is Eaglestar. I am such a fan of his work and see that he has the same taste in women and habits of pursuit as I do.
Thanks for any info you brothers may have.
FogRing
Try:
Plentyoffish.com (free)
Lavalife.com
I also had great success at jiayuan.com but you need to speak chinese on this one.
Check some classified ads like some newspapers in China or craigslist although the miss ratio is not very favorable there.
FernandoAlonso
10-26-08, 17:10
Regarding recent discussions on culture and Chinese girls as companions/girlfriends just my 2 cents to contribute to the "I will never understand them but I love them". Have been recently quite frustrated by the loss of my gal (no the FernandoAlonso saga will not be continued, even though most of you do not know the real interesting part, beats every telenovela). Even Mongolian medicine worsened things, so I was about to believe it is all bout me.
But now I am cured, it just took a beautiful, innocent, young, typical Chinese gal and a few hours of fun, but back to the topic.
As options in Dalian are mainly Sauna, Outcalls and Bars, all not so much my favourites and I had not enough time for the freebie market (English corner!!) I decided to stay my proven way with MP girls. Found that MP near Shangri La in Dalian 2 nights ago, was horny and frustrated like hell and the 3 girls in there were all very young (but legitimate), very sexy clothed, big breasted and just the typical North China Beauties, wanted to get one home but screwed the negotiations (frustration, being tired and horny does not fit well with Chinese temper) so went home alone with the nice HJ I got just before I found this one.
Decided to get back yesterday, took the 200 RMB 2 hours Spa massage and got just that, due to communication issues we did not get to the upselling HJ part somehow, but it was an incredible sensual massage with a 19YO in a short skirt dancing around and on you (a combination of Thai and oil massage). Asked for her phone number, she claims not to have one (how is that possible, we are in China). So I had to call her to my room tonight via the shop, 2 hours 200RMB traditional massage. After an hour I asked her about te bie (special), she did not get it, so we watched a bit TV and started kuddling and she did not back of, got her into DFK after a while, she kissed like a virgin (guys do you remember your first kiss in school or kindergarden, just like heaven), a perfect 10 than she backed off and watched TV, I let her rest, partly because she was really shy, partly because that is what it sometimes needs to get further. Remember even when these girls are pros/semi-pros or just amateurs the key is to give them face and let the girl get used to you and the idea of doing more. Never force anything, respect them and treat them like your girlfriend, she will pay you back. If they do not feel comfortable they say no. So take your time. And suddenly somehow she had my little brother near her hands and the virgin turned into not such an innocent girl anymore.....got the best GFE sex in ages from her, not rushed even though we busted the 2 hours quite significantly. She is very young and not so experienced, so she still finds a lot of pleasure in experiments and different positions. Definitely loves DATY, for sure did not have that too often before. She is rather tall, long hair, classical face, big soft C cups, slightly on the strong side. A perfect night before she went back home.
The MP is quite hidden in a small side street, they do not do so many outcalls because that is the domain of the street touts, another advantage, they are not so fully professionalised.
Shit she has no phone and I fly back tomorrow morning.
So for whatever reason I always fall for massage girls, even though this one is not (yet) a freebie, but like my ex-GF in the beginning, no money counted, shy like a virgin after the deed, took my phone number and I pray I can come back to see her soon.
Learning point, for real good GFE sex, whoever likes that, you need to invest and you may find it at the weirdest places. Of course i know she does this not only for me, I learned this the last time the hard way, but still this one felt like having sex on the first date with your new love and there is not much that can beat this IMO. So if you can have the patience and sensitivity and are able adress the cultural issues these girls/ladies/wonderful human beings/godesses have they will give it back to you.
Just my humble POV
FA
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FernandoAlonso
10-26-08, 17:11
Could not forget her and the wonderful night we had and as the opportunity occurred was back a few days later. Mobile phone and Simcard bought, some chocolate from home as present, called her in and it was like the night before, just wonderful. She would not stay the night as her boss needed to be asked, later I learned this is her auntie, hmmm, the other girls are also relatives, a bit more distant ones though.
Went there next day earlier to the shop, got a nice massage and was invited to stay. Checked out by auntie (also quite hot by the way even a 30+ but still nice body), we watched TV, played on the PC, talked as much this is possible. Interesting observation, there are strict criteria for extras, they threw out one guy who apparently wanted extra but was a bit a filthy guy, recurrent customers seem to get it for 100 RMB. Auntie was not happy with the overnight but in the end we got our way. Went for dinner at 1AM, strange place this is where all the outcall ladies dine with their pimps/boyfriends, as a foreigner you fell a bit uncomfortable. She staid with me until I had to go to work the next day early. Same procedure the next night, this time we all went for dinner (auntie and the other girls). We went shopping the next morning, she got a nice handbag.
Interestingly she is still very shy, not only in public, she needs to warm up before she kisses and sometimes does not like to. Communication is difficult, she does not speak English, I rarely Chinese. So sometimes it is like real BF/GF, then it becomes very distant. This seems to be rather common for Chinese girls, sometimes they just do not know how to react, so do not get surprised. When we parted as I flew back she did not even look at me when she said good-bye. Maybe that is a good sign
We keep a little in touch via e-mail and sms but very difficult for me to understand her pinyin writing and the same applies for my limited Chinese, even though assisted by these little translation computers but the quality of the translation really sucks so be very careful when you use them. They may cause more misunderstanding.
Will be back there next month, see how it continues
FA
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OldAsiaHand
10-27-08, 03:37
I have been doing a MP freebie for the better part of 3 years. I see her at the MP for a massage twice a week (when I am not traveling) and take her to a ST hotel 2-3 times per month. The MP place is legit. Once in awhile we go somewhere overnight.
Whether or not she is a real freebie is the subject of controversy. I cannot say I never give her money and gifts. She called me from the hospital recently and I went down to pay the bill and buy her medicine. When I travel, I bring her small gifts. Some examples, I just brought back Korean seaweed for her that cost me US$12. I bought her a pair of boots once for 240 RMB and paid for her to curl her hair for 300 RMB. And, of course, I pay all the expenses when we go places e.g. hotel, food, etc. In exchange for all of this, I am getting GFE action whenever I want it albeit I do not use the benefits as often as I could. She has been after me to rent an apartment for her closer to where she works so I could stop by whenever I have time. I will not fall into this. Freedom and variety is too important for me.
I reckon I have spent around 10-15k RMB all tolled on everything over the 3 years I have been seeing her. Is she still a freebie?
OAH
I have been doing a MP freebie for the better part of 3 years. I see her at the MP for a massage twice a week (when I am not traveling) and take her to a ST hotel 2-3 times per month. The MP place is legit. Once in awhile we go somewhere overnight.
Whether or not she is a real freebie is the subject of controversy. I cannot say I never give her money and gifts. She called me from the hospital recently and I went down to pay the bill and buy her medicine. When I travel, I bring her small gifts. Some examples, I just brought back Korean seaweed for her that cost me US$12. I bought her a pair of boots once for 240 RMB and paid for her to curl her hair for 300 RMB. And, of course, I pay all the expenses when we go places e. G. Hotel, food, etc. In exchange for all of this, I am getting GFE action whenever I want it albeit I do not use the benefits as often as I could. She has been after me to rent an apartment for her closer to where she works so I could stop by whenever I have time. I will not fall into this. Freedom and variety is too important for me.
I reckon I have spent around 10-15k RMB all tolled on everything over the 3 years I have been seeing her. Is she still a freebie?
OAHYes, for 3 years that's cheap and GFE. I'll try it with my MP girl if I see her again.
Ragnarok42
10-28-08, 01:29
Here is a shout out to Taiwan Guy and congradulations on being released from the bonds of holy matrimony. Just hope your better half didnt take you to the bank before you and her split up. Guess you now are free to chase tail and sleep with whomever you want.
Just be careful not to be hooked in by some Chinese tail. We all know how seductive they can be. There are one or two I know that I would totally fall for with if we only had the chance.
Enjoy being single and male in China and, with the restrictions in BJ being lifted, should be fun heading back there with a ball and chain.
Happy hunting and congradulations!!
Rag42
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!
Member #4214
10-31-08, 14:26
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!
Spitters ... who needs 'em.
Travel Dog
11-01-08, 07:44
OAH
Nice arrangement!
As another old china hand told me "Nothing free in China".
TD
I have been doing a MP freebie for the better part of 3 years. I see her at the MP for a massage twice a week (when I am not traveling) and take her to a ST hotel 2-3 times per month. The MP place is legit. Once in awhile we go somewhere overnight.
Whether or not she is a real freebie is the subject of controversy. I cannot say I never give her money and gifts. She called me from the hospital recently and I went down to pay the bill and buy her medicine. When I travel, I bring her small gifts. Some examples, I just brought back Korean seaweed for her that cost me US$12. I bought her a pair of boots once for 240 RMB and paid for her to curl her hair for 300 RMB. And, of course, I pay all the expenses when we go places e.g. hotel, food, etc. In exchange for all of this, I am getting GFE action whenever I want it albeit I do not use the benefits as often as I could. She has been after me to rent an apartment for her closer to where she works so I could stop by whenever I have time. I will not fall into this. Freedom and variety is too important for me.
I reckon I have spent around 10-15k RMB all tolled on everything over the 3 years I have been seeing her. Is she still a freebie?
OAH
I've seen that cumming, so to speak.
Here is a shout out to Taiwan Guy and congradulations on being released from the bonds of holy matrimony. Just hope your better half didnt take you to the bank before you and her split up. Guess you now are free to chase tail and sleep with whomever you want.
Just be careful not to be hooked in by some Chinese tail. We all know how seductive they can be. There are one or two I know that I would totally fall for with if we only had the chance.
Enjoy being single and male in China and, with the restrictions in BJ being lifted, should be fun heading back there with a ball and chain.
Happy hunting and congradulations!!
Rag42
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!
It happened to me a lot in El Salvador and Nicaragua. The girls would either spit on my member (for lubrication, I guess) during a BJ, or they would take a short break from the BJ and spit on the floor!
OldAsiaHand
11-02-08, 04:47
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!
As a BBBJ fan, the spitting is a real turn-off for me too. My experience is also 8-9 of 10 BBS girls, however, less with KTV girls and very few of the Sauna girls spit. Some girls spit more often than others. That said, I have got used to it over the years in China. The first thing I tell the girls when they start is not to spit on the floor so they bring the trashcan and/or tissues next to the bed.
Just my POV.
OAH
Meiguoguizi
11-02-08, 05:01
As a BBBJ fan, the spitting is a real turn-off for me too. My experience is also 8-9 of 10 BBS girls, however, less with KTV girls and very few of the Sauna girls spit. Some girls spit more often than others. That said, I have got used to it over the years in China. The first thing I tell the girls when they start is not to spit on the floor so they bring the trashcan and/or tissues next to the bed.
Just my POV.
OAH
I've found that by placing the trashcan and a bottle of water at the side of the bed while she showers that I've not only avoided the annoying scampering across the room to spit, I've also made it clear that I expect 'kou jiao'.
Mock A Bee
11-02-08, 22:46
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!
Yep, most of them are spitters and I have gotten used to it.
But then again, if you were in the same position giving a BJ to a complete stranger, not knowing if they have any diseases, I wouldn't want to swallow either!
Sure, most girls make a whole lot of noise and all, but who among us would HONESTLY enjoy swallowing cum from giving a stranger a BJ?
MAB
Crazy Jim Wood
11-02-08, 22:51
Yep, most of them are spitters and I have gotten used to it.
But then again, if you were in the same position giving a BJ to a complete stranger, not knowing if they have any diseases, I wouldn't want to swallow either!
Sure, most girls make a whole lot of noise and all, but who among us would HONESTLY enjoy swallowing cum from giving a stranger a BJ?
MAB
Far from being sophisticated persons afraid for their health, it is probably the same reason they spit tea leaves and chicken bones on the floor in restaurants: they simply do not realize it is poor manners.
Manners and appropriate behaviour differs from culture to culture.
In China, spitting chicken bones on the floor or on the restaurant table is considered acceptable.
But not in the west.
In China, people don't say "thank you" as often in the West. They are not being impolite, they are merely observing their local customs and behaviours.
Oh, to find a Chinese g/f who can be "chinese" at her home, and "western" in my home and when with me! Now there's a challenge, which has so far eluded me!
Bored In Beijing
11-03-08, 07:31
I think 9 out of 10 chinese girls, while giving a BJ, they would spit and spit and spit.
Do you guys have same experiences? This doesn't happen in the other parts of the world!Yep, most Chinese girls in my experience spit. I have got used to it now, but easily accessible tissue and a trash can help a lot.
SE Asia Joe
11-03-08, 09:13
Far from being sophisticated persons afraid for their health, it is probably the same reason they spit tea leaves and chicken bones on the floor in restaurants: they simply do not realize it is poor manners.
Got a question - what do YOU do when in a restaurant in China and you got bones, fatty parts etc to discard?
When I first started going to China 25 or so years ago, I put them neatly on my little serving plate, hoping that the waitress would bother to change plates for me, whilst the other guests at the table would look bemusedly at my "prim and proper methods." (and sometimes openly commenting on it!!).
As the years go by I stopped bothering and do like the Romans do (in China??!) - just put it all on the table.... and if the table gets to messy, just brush it all down on the floor!!!
Poor manners??? Nahhhh, not really - just bad habits re-inforced by the restaurants' modus operandi.
SEAJ
i.e. Having said the above though, I do NOT see the above "habits" when dining at High-end restaurants in China. NO way!!
BossLove72
11-04-08, 02:17
i.e. Having said the above though, I do NOT see the above "habits" when dining at High-end restaurants in China. NO way!!Yeah, this is true. "When in Rome..." However this can lead to a slight problem. After two years being here and I headed home to visit family and friends. I was eating and talking with my family and I casually spit a fish bone onto the dinner table. Silence and staring at me. My Mother looked horrified. I quickly grabbed the spat bone into my hand and quickly explained how this WAS the common occurrence in China while dining. To this, my Mother chastised me, YOU are an American and you WILL have proper table manners at all times.
So fellas, remember where you are at all times. A Mom at any age is still a Mom.
China provides me with such awesome memories!
yeah, this is true. "when in rome..." however this can lead to a slight problem. after two years being here and i headed home to visit family and friends. i was eating and talking with my family and i casually spit a fish bone onto the dinner table. silence and staring at me. my mother looked horrified. i quickly grabbed the spat bone into my hand and quickly explained how this was the common occurrence in china while dining. to this, my mother chastised me, you are an american and you will have proper table manners at all times. !reminded of me when i first got out of school and worked as an jr. exec for this wall street firm.
my boss invited me out to a dinner meeting to meet some of the corp. execs and i sat across from the president of the company. as i was biting into the cherry tomato, the damn thing squirted and i hit the president right between the eyes. luckily, i went to the bathroom before i sat down to dinner, if not i would surely [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in my pants. when it happened, everyone at the table looked at the president and then at me. luckily the president started laughing and knew it was unintentional.
it could happen anywhere.
Clean Gene
11-04-08, 07:30
Yeah, this is true. "When in Rome..." However this can lead to a slight problem. After two years being here and I headed home to visit family and friends. I was eating and talking with my family and I casually spit a fish bone onto the dinner table. Silence and staring at me. My Mother looked horrified. I quickly grabbed the spat bone into my hand and quickly explained how this WAS the common occurrence in China while dining. To this, my Mother chastised me, YOU are an American and you WILL have proper table manners at all times.
So fellas, remember where you are at all times. A Mom at any age is still a Mom.
China provides me with such awesome memories!
A little over a decade ago when I married my "country girl" wife, I used to spit out bits and pieces into a spoon and place it on the edge of my plate. "Country girl" would then pop them into her mouth, and chew them down. I think she thought I left them for her to eat. I had to start leaving the bits and pieces on the table like she did. (She still chews the marrow out of the various bones that I leave.)
My aunt used to tell a story of Li HongZhang eating at the court of Queen Victoria. After eating a drum stick, he threw the bone on the table to the astonished stares of the Englishmen. The Queen then ate a piece of chicken and threw the bone on the table. "Wasn't that gracious of her?", my aunt said as she smiled at my "country girl". My aunt was born in Beijing and speaks just about the most beautiful "Beijing hua" I've ever heard.
As I have mentioned earlier, my grandfather was a missionary in China until a number of church visitors noticed several "laowai sired" children were receiving special perks in every grade of the mission school.
CG
Very interesting is the hot and cold BJ. I had a girl once in my room and she prepared a cup of tea and put it next to the bed. She also took cold water from the refrigerator and put in next to the bed. She was then filling her mouth once with cold water and putting my pennis in her mouth. After a few minutes she would do it with the hot tea.
I don't know how she felt, but it was nice for me :D
I don't think is something regular thow, because ti only happened to me once!!!
Very interesting is the hot and cold BJ. I had a girl once in my room and she prepared a cup of tea and put it next to the bed. She also took cold water from the refrigerator and put in next to the bed. She was then filling her mouth once with cold water and putting my pennis in her mouth. After a few minutes she would do it with the hot tea.
I don't know how she felt, but it was nice for me :D
I don't think is something regular thow, because ti only happened to me once!!!Ericklein
Welcome to the pleasures of asia. This is a common routine done by most in asia. It is a wonderful feeling. Expect this more often. If you find a Chinese gf she may also be doing this to you everyday. Welcome.
OldAsiaHand
11-08-08, 03:43
Very interesting is the hot and cold BJ. I had a girl once in my room and she prepared a cup of tea and put it next to the bed. She also took cold water from the refrigerator and put in next to the bed. She was then filling her mouth once with cold water and putting my pennis in her mouth. After a few minutes she would do it with the hot tea.
I don't know how she felt, but it was nice for me :D
I don't think is something regular thow, because ti only happened to me once!!!
Ericklein,
It is standard fare in most saunas nationwide.
OAH
Old Mean Dog
11-08-08, 06:23
I spit out bits and pieces into a spoon and place it on the edge of my plate. "Country girl" would then pop them into her mouth, and chew them down. I think she thought I left them for her to eat. I had to start leaving the bits and pieces on the table like she did. (She still chews the marrow out of the various bones that I leave.)
CG
Nothing personal, but that would shock the hell outta me, if I were a dinner guest.
-CPE
Very interesting is the hot and cold BJ. I had a girl once in my room and she prepared a cup of tea and put it next to the bed. She also took cold water from the refrigerator and put in next to the bed. She was then filling her mouth once with cold water and putting my pennis in her mouth. After a few minutes she would do it with the hot tea.
I don't know how she felt, but it was nice for me :D
I don't think is something regular thow, because ti only happened to me once!!!I have only tried this a few times and always find the alternating fire/ ice treatment a bit rough on my little friend. A SN girl recently lectured on me on a bit of folk medicine. Supposedly too much rapid fire and (particularly) ice treatment "may" eventually lead to erectile difficulties. I don't know if this is sincere talk, BS local legend, or just her laziness talking (I sure lose some of my interest in this). I wonder if our more experienced members can comment on that.
Question for the Chinese experts. Why do most Chinese girls I have met in the States and Dubai seem so cold and it seem like GFE is impossible?
OldAsiaHand
11-09-08, 07:59
Question for the Chinese experts. Why do most Chinese girls I have met in the States and Dubai seem so cold and it seem like GFE is impossible?
Although I have never met Chinese working girls in the USA or Dubai, I have noticed a big personality/attitude differences with the ones I have met around Asia; Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, etc.
It seems like when they are working abroad, they become extremely commercialized. It may be that they recognize that their time frame is limited and they need to make as much money as possible during their allowed stay. Many of them are on "arranged" travel and have a big nut to crack with the organizers in exchange for this. Also, the girls I meet outside of China are generally older and more hardened compared with the younger girls on the game in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Although I have never met Chinese working girls in the USA or Dubai, I have noticed a big personality/attitude differences with the ones I have met around Asia; Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, etc.
It seems like when they are working abroad, they become extremely commercialized. It may be that they recognize that their time frame is limited and they need to make as much money as possible during their allowed stay. Many of them are on "arranged" travel and have a big nut to crack with the organizers in exchange for this. Also, the girls I meet outside of China are generally older and more hardened compared with the younger girls on the game in China.
Just my POV.
OAHI have some in Canada, a bit older (24-28) still pretty good GFE. Not as good as in China. But than I think the Macau is even better. Must be the vest competition as well as the management of the place.
Crazy Jim Wood
11-10-08, 02:28
Question for the Chinese experts. Why do most Chinese girls I have met in the States and Dubai seem so cold and it seem like GFE is impossible?
I have met a few very personable Chinese WG girls in the U.S. and in Japan. I actually found the ones in China to be more cold/frigid. I think the ones abroad were happy to see someone who could talk Chinese and the ones in China were in a hurry to make a buck off of the foreigner. But I found the mainlanders in Hong Kong to be really friendly. Go figure. Since there are millions of Chinese WG overseas and hundreds of millions in China, the dozen or two a monger is likely to meet are not going to be a big enough sample size to provide statistically accurate data... in other words it is just coincidence you met unfriendly ones overseas and friendly ones in China and I had somewhat opposite experiences.
But GFE is possible with any of them if you hit it off. But the amount of time you have, language barrier, etc can really lessen chances of hitting it off.
Now, what I have found is that to me at least many Chinese women, especially uneducated ones, are extremely venal and not given to romantic love. The realities of their harsh existence just doesn't lay the groundworks or provide opportunities for ideas of romantic love not attached to a green card to grow.
What is more despite being ho's many come from traditional backgrounds and are prudish and not well informed about or open to ideas of excitement in the bed.
Here I think that those who spend sometime overseas are likely to be more exposed to/educated about ideals of love and sex.
So there you go my $0.02 on the subject.
Although I have been in China a couple of times, it seems that I missed something: KTV girls.
I have RTFF and realized that it is a very big capital of chinese mongering scene. I know that if I RTFF I will find some of the answers, but forgive me and save some of my time! I have a few questions (newbie questions, since I have never done this before):
KTVs are the Karaoke bars? Are the girls there professional prostitutes (I mean do they go with ANY customer for sex)?
Where is the sex action taking place? Are there rooms in the clubs, or do you take them to your hotel room?
SE Asia Joe
11-10-08, 17:59
Although I have been in China a couple of times, it seems that I missed something: KTV girls.
I have RTFF and realized that it is a very big capital of chinese mongering scene. I know that if I RTFF I will find some of the answers, but forgive me and save some of my time! I have a few questions (newbie questions, since I have never done this before):
KTVs are the Karaoke bars? Are the girls there professional prostitutes (I mean do they go with ANY customer for sex)?
Where is the sex action taking place? Are there rooms in the clubs, or do you take them to your hotel room?
Good God!! I hope you're not pulling our legs here - since I do see that you are a senior member.
Anyway, your questions are SOOOO newbie that I seriously doubt that you would be able to find the answer even if you did RTFF!!
So herewith the answers -
- Yes, somehow or other, on ISG, we do refer to K-OK's (Karaoke bars) as being KTV's and
_ Yes the gals there are MOSTLY professional prostitutes although there ARE some who will refuse to go out with customers. (either as a usual practice or if they are on the rag). On the other hand, those who WILL refuse to go out with customers will be SO IDENTIFIED -either by a different color number tag or a different postioning of such tag on their dress or ....??? Your Mommie should advise you which gals are what, when you make your initial selection of companion for the evening.
And as far as going out with ANY customers - generally yes - unless you're so grotesque or if you had been an idiot with her or...??? - The same as other pros' would sometimes refuse one John or another.
- Sex usually takes place at a venue other than the actual KTV/K-OK bar - most likely in your own hotel room or at a hotel room that the mommie/gal can easily arrange for you nearby. OTH, there ARE some KTV rooms that has an attached "lounge" where you can do the dirty - but these are not common and usually found only at a few higher Priced rooms at the KTV.
- One last question/bit of advise - JEEEZ - ar you sure you should go with ANY WG's - as naive as you seem to be?? Sorry - but just cannot help but ask the question
Peace!
SEAJ
KTVs are the Karaoke bars? Are the girls there professional prostitutes (I mean do they go with ANY customer for sex)?
A lot depends on the establishment. In South China, especially Dongguan, unless there are specific reasons, the vast majority of the girls will go with a customer. Most of them however, have the option to refuse you for whatever reason. The reason can be they feel you're too drunk, they don't like you, you're a foreigner.... basically whatever.
In most places up north, it's not like that. I have been to places, in Shanghai, Hangzhou, Wenzhou, Beijing, Nanjing and a couple of small towns around Shanghai. At the majority of the better places in these cities, it's not a given that the girl will go with you. I remember one time, a friend of mine offered a girl 5000K to go with me, she still refused.... At those places, the girls really see themselves as hostesses and nothing more. If you want them to sleep with you, you have to work at it like with a regular girl.
All that's not to say that there aren't ANY KTVs up north where girls go with customers. There are plenty, especially at the smaller places. You just have to find them.
One last thing, KTV is not a bargain. It's probably the most expensive way to get a girl on the job in China. Pricing is all over the board too. It can be as low as 800 for all night, or as high as 10,000 at some really exclusive clubs. At most of the major cities, expect an average of about 1500 for all night.
Very interesting is the hot and cold BJ. I had a girl once in my room and she prepared a cup of tea and put it next to the bed. She also took cold water from the refrigerator and put in next to the bed. She was then filling her mouth once with cold water and putting my pennis in her mouth. After a few minutes she would do it with the hot tea.
I don't know how she felt, but it was nice for me :D
I don't think is something regular thow, because ti only happened to me once!!!
This is standard service at saunas. Don't expect it from streetwalkers, BBS girls, bar girls, or KTV girls, unless of course, they previously worked at a sauna. Personally, I don't really go for it. After the first couple of times, the novelty wears off pretty quickly and ice water is actually a turn off for me.
Since this is new to you, I presume you've never been to a sauna. If you go to one, there's a bunch of other thing's you'll probably experience for the first time too.
ericklein
welcome to the pleasures of asia. this is a common routine done by most in asia. it is a wonderful feeling. expect this more often. if you find a chinese gf she may also be doing this to you everyday. welcome.
the vast majority of chinese girls have never given a blowjob. chinese guys just aren't into it just like chinese girls aren't really into daty either. oral sex is just not a mainstream sexual activity in china. personally, i think it would be much easier to get a westerized girlfriend to give fire/ice blowjobs than a native chinese girl. the same goes for a lot of other stuff, like ar, bi or lez action, anal sex, menage a troi, bdsm, rep002s, paddling, etc., etc. it's much easier to talk a westernized girlfriend into any of these than a chinese girlfriend. one time i pissed on a chinese girl in the shower, she got grossed out, started screaming and re-soaped the part of her body that i pissed on. another time, i peed in my chinese girlfriend's mouth on a dare. she was constantly brushing her teeth for two days.
in general, chinese really have issues with bodily fluids. that's why they do all that spitting... which i don't really understand... i see chinese girls eating chicken feet all the time, what do these girls think the chickens step on all day? i'll tell you what, chicken [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and chicken shit!! do they really think the chicken feet snack company scrubs every tiny little bit of fecal matter from the chicken foot? i think not.... i just tell them that's what gives the chicken feet their distinctive flavor. and don't even get me started on non-deveined shrimp and pig faces....
Mock A Bee
11-11-08, 06:42
As told to me by a native Beijing friend, Chinese women consider putting a cock in their mouth very dirty so most don't like to give BJ's.
However, I think it is by far more difficult to get a Chinese girl to let you have anal sex! even penetrating their starfish with just a lubed up finger - they don't like that at all!
Fortunately not all non-pro Chinese girls are reluctant to give a BJ. My last two non-pro "little friends" didn't have a problem with it... nope, they didn't swallow.
MAB
I think MAB's comments are pretty close to the truth. As most of you know I don't do P4P, only 'freebies' so I cannot comment on these ladies. However, in the 7+ years in China,(Shanghai, Beijing, Xi'an) I have nailed literally 100's and I can count on one hand the number of times I have been refused BJ. Further, a surprising number (upwards of 40%) swallow.
ES
Good God!! I hope you're not pulling our legs here - since I do see that you are a senior member.
Anyway, your questions are SOOOO newbie that I seriously doubt that you would be able to find the answer even if you did RTFF!!
So herewith the answers -
- Yes, somehow or other, on ISG, we do refer to K-OK's (Karaoke bars) as being KTV's and
_ Yes the gals there are MOSTLY professional prostitutes although there ARE some who will refuse to go out with customers. (either as a usual practice or if they are on the rag). On the other hand, those who WILL refuse to go out with customers will be SO IDENTIFIED -either by a different color number tag or a different postioning of such tag on their dress or ....??? Your Mommie should advise you which gals are what, when you make your initial selection of companion for the evening.
And as far as going out with ANY customers - generally yes - unless you're so grotesque or if you had been an idiot with her or...??? - The same as other pros' would sometimes refuse one John or another.
- Sex usually takes place at a venue other than the actual KTV/K-OK bar - most likely in your own hotel room or at a hotel room that the mommie/gal can easily arrange for you nearby. OTH, there ARE some KTV rooms that has an attached "lounge" where you can do the dirty - but these are not common and usually found only at a few higher Priced rooms at the KTV.
- One last question/bit of advise - JEEEZ - ar you sure you should go with ANY WG's - as naive as you seem to be?? Sorry - but just cannot help but ask the question
Peace!
SEAJ
First of all thank you for the clarifications.
My questions had to be SOOO newbie, since I have never been to any of those clubs in my life!!! Did you know much about those clubs since you were born???
I feel free asking any kind of questions in these forums, because usually members are friendly and give answers if they can (see other answers to my question).
I have given often advices myself as far as I could.
Your last comment was really not necessary and comments like that make other members think twice if they should ask something or not.
Save those kind of comments for yourself
A lot depends on the establishment. In South China, especially Dongguan, unless there are specific reasons, the vast majority of the girls will go with a customer. Most of them however, have the option to refuse you for whatever reason. The reason can be they feel you're too drunk, they don't like you, you're a foreigner.... basically whatever.
In most places up north, it's not like that. I have been to places, in Shanghai, Hangzhou, Wenzhou, Beijing, Nanjing and a couple of small towns around Shanghai. At the majority of the better places in these cities, it's not a given that the girl will go with you. I remember one time, a friend of mine offered a girl 5000K to go with me, she still refused.... At those places, the girls really see themselves as hostesses and nothing more. If you want them to sleep with you, you have to work at it like with a regular girl.
All that's not to say that there aren't ANY KTVs up north where girls go with customers. There are plenty, especially at the smaller places. You just have to find them.
One last thing, KTV is not a bargain. It's probably the most expensive way to get a girl on the job in China. Pricing is all over the board too. It can be as low as 800 for all night, or as high as 10,000 at some really exclusive clubs. At most of the major cities, expect an average of about 1500 for all night.
Thanks for the Information!
Sounds interesting! I will try it next time I will be somewhere in China!
SE Asia Joe
11-11-08, 15:08
First of all thank you for the clarifications.
My questions had to be SOOO newbie, since I have never been to any of those clubs in my life!!! Did you know much about those clubs since you were born???
I feel free asking any kind of questions in these forums, because usually members are friendly and give answers if they can (see other answers to my question).
I have given often advices myself as far as I could.
Your last comment was really not necessary and comments like that make other members think twice if they should ask something or not.
Save those kind of comments for yourself
NOTE - it was NOT a comment - it was an advise framed as a question.
SEAJ
Although I have been in China a couple of times, it seems that I missed something: KTV girls.
I have RTFF and realized that it is a very big capital of chinese mongering scene. I know that if I RTFF I will find some of the answers, but forgive me and save some of my time! I have a few questions (newbie questions, since I have never done this before):
KTVs are the Karaoke bars? Are the girls there professional prostitutes (I mean do they go with ANY customer for sex)?
Where is the sex action taking place? Are there rooms in the clubs, or do you take them to your hotel room?
Please be reminded that not all KTV in China are the sex-related KTV. There are also lots of KTV like Haoledi which is a family KTV.
Please be reminded that not all KTV in China are the sex-related KTV. There are also lots of KTV like Haoledi which is a family KTV.
Thanks for the information. I will be carefull. When the time comes for my next trip in China and I know the city that I will visit, I will sk again for some updated information.
SE Asia Joe
12-19-08, 08:34
Soooo.... this is the Opinion and Advise thread. So...
I was talking with one of my regulars - a BBS gal who I've helped out in the past, and who even though I still "do" quite regularly, I consider a friend. A Fuck Buddy??!!
Anyway, she was talking about a friend who I had steered her way and she made this statement: "He's another one of those foreigners who thinks that we want to be satisfied"
Basically, she is saying that unlike locals, HKG and Taiwan guys, she and her sisters are always running into foreign Johns who are convinced that gals enjoy "coming" with them - whilst all that they want to do is just to get it over and done with. These guys do all sorts of things to them, use all sorts of paraphenelia and are satisfied only when they think the gal has been 'satisfied."
"Yeah," she says, "there are customers who we do like and yes, we do enjoy being with them - even coming with them, but its gotta be a mutual and very much a spontaneous thing. But these foreigners - they all think that we automatically like being with them and would have feelings for them. Hell, how can we even relate to them when they don't even know how to speak with us and they have no idea at all as to what things are in China"
Opinions and advise???
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
12-19-08, 08:47
Soooo.... this is the Opinion and Advise thread. So...
I was talking with one of my regulars - a BBS gal who I've helped out in the past, and who even though I still "do" quite regularly, I consider a friend. A Fuck Buddy??!!
Anyway, she was talking about a friend who I had steered her way and she made this statement: "He's another one of those foreigners who thinks that we want to be satisfied"
Basically, she is saying that unlike locals, HKG and Taiwan guys, she and her sisters are always running into foreign Johns who are convinced that gals enjoy "coming" with them - whilst all that they want to do is just to get it over and done with. These guys do all sorts of things to them, use all sorts of paraphenelia and are satisfied only when they think the gal has been 'satisfied."
"Yeah," she says, "there are customers who we do like and yes, we do enjoy being with them - even coming with them, but its gotta be a mutual and very much a spontaneous thing. But these foreigners - they all think that we automatically like being with them and would have feelings for them. Hell, how can we even relate to them when they don't even know how to speak with us and they have no idea at all as to what things are in China"
Opinions and advise???
SEAJ
Hahaha......if I am paying for sex, I don't give a damn if they cum or not, just as long as they do what I want and make MY toes curl!
I've also heard this quite a bit. Damn foreigners, getting all hopped up on Vitamin V or C, trying to impress a friggin' hooker.
-CPE
Soooo. This is the Opinion and Advise thread. So.
I was talking with one of my regulars. A BBS gal who I've helped out in the past, and who even though I still "do" quite regularly, I consider a friend. A Fuck Buddy? !
Anyway, she was talking about a friend who I had steered her way and she made this statement: "He's another one of those foreigners who thinks that we want to be satisfied"
Basically, she is saying that unlike locals, HKG and Taiwan guys, she and her sisters are always running into foreign Johns who are convinced that gals enjoy "coming" with them. Whilst all that they want to do is just to get it over and done with. These guys do all sorts of things to them, use all sorts of paraphenelia and are satisfied only when they think the gal has been 'satisfied. "
"Yeah, " she says, "there are customers who we do like and yes, we do enjoy being with them. Even coming with them, but its have to be a mutual and very much a spontaneous thing. But these foreigners. They all think that we automatically like being with them and would have feelings for them. Hell, how can we even relate to them when they don't even know how to speak with us and they have no idea at all as to what things are in China"
Opinions and advise?
SEAJYou called it, SEAJ. Or should I say, she called it! Just didn't wanted to say it but I heard that myself many times.
Posted this in the Beijing forum but thought I might get some advice here too.
I've been exchanging short emails in Chinese with a cute Chinese stewardess I met a two weeks ago on flights to and from Shenzhen. She slipped me her email address as I was walking off the gangway, after some flirting during the flight. Since them she has sent me some cute (non-racy) photos.
The most recent email contains a critical phrase in Chinese that I don't know quite how to interpret:
这是我的号码[phone number]~*可以发信息吗？我之前一直读书，毕业后刚刚工作一年，没有什么社会经验，请多指教^^谢谢*
This translates as:
This is my number [phone number]. Can send a message? Before I was always studying, I've just graduated and only worked for one year, don't have any SOCIAL EXPERIENCE. Please GIVE ME LOTS OF ADVICE / OPINION / COUNSEL.
But the difficulty is that I'm not sure what SOCIAL EXPERIENCE (she4hui4 jing1yan4) means in this context, or how to interpret her request for ADVICE. Any Chinese experts have thoughts? Does this mean she's virgin? That's the last thing I need. On the other hand, the word for ADVICE/COUNSEL also contains this concept of TEACHING (jiao4), so does that mean she wants me to give her the experience she lacks?
I'm wary that this girl is just too innocent. I don't want a GF, nor do I need another casual deflowering on my conscience.
We haven't met in person yet, and I am considering what kind of first meeting to suggest. How can I steer this relationship towards "fuck buddy" status, or see if that is even possible?
SE Asia Joe
12-20-08, 05:10
Posted this in the Beijing forum but thought I might get some advice here too.
I've been exchanging short emails in Chinese with a cute Chinese stewardess We haven't met in person yet, and I am considering what kind of first meeting to suggest. How can I steer this relationship towards "fuck buddy" status, or see if that is even possible?
Damn..... a monger with a conscience!! My hat's off to you and really appreciate your careful approach and caring attitude towards your "counter-party." Really piques my interest!!
First thing first - your observation that Freebies are very expensive and that most Chinese women are looking for financial stability/support; This is very true and must be your first "guiding light" so to call. Not a bad thing to splurge a little bit on a worthwhile quarry but you definitely do not want a long term commitment - and must as such examine and re-examine each of her to be expected "proposals" properly.
On "Social experience," - I'd say that this can mean any number of things and does so for different persons. The only way you can discern what she herself mean is of course to go and meet her. I'd suggest though that in all your dealings with Chinese women - and I guess all women - the truth as to your matrimonial state is important. You do NOT want to lie to her about this as this just complicates things. YOu do NOT want to disclose much about your private/business life though - as this is jst so dangerous! General stuff is good enough I say.
After you;'ve met her, then you can take the bull by the horns and act accordingly. If she's a virgin and you (like I ) do NOT want "that" on your conscience, then you could and should back away. Hell, she could be your true buddy and you sort of her mentor, and use this angle to get her to introduce some of her friends and colleagues who fits the job description of a fuck buddy better.
If on the other hand you determine that she's not such an "innocent" (come on - MOST chinese gals ain't THAT innocent - but the again, there ARE exceptions!) - then Hy-OO silvah!! And if this happy scenario does fold out, she does NOT have to be your GF or Mistress or ?? Like I said you gotta take the bull by the horn and set YOUR own parameter as to what you want the relationship to be with her.
Good luck and please do keep us (me especially) enthralled with your adventure.
Thanks
SEAJ
Damn. A monger with a conscience! My hat's off to you and really appreciate your careful approach and caring attitude towards your "counter-party. " Really piques my interest!
First thing first. Your observation that Freebies are very expensive and that most Chinese women are looking for financial stability/support; This is very true and must be your first "guiding light" so to call. Not a bad thing to splurge a little bit on a worthwhile quarry but you definitely do not want a long term commitment. And must as such examine and re-examine each of her to be expected "proposals" properly.
SEAJMy advice to him earlier was to just text her and just go out for a lunch or dinner. Don't look too interested but just give her some advice that she is seeking. Sit back and check her out to see the possibilities. SEAJ, you are right, not too many Chinese girls these days are so innocent. The office girls have relatively lower mileage than the western girls but finding an innocent one is getting rarer and rarer. For me, I really do NOT prefer virgins. I just do not want that on my concious. I prefer them a bit more experience, married one with low mileage (usually wives/gf of busy business execs).
For potential freebies, some are liar and just want to put their hooks into you. Never look too interested and push her back a bit. Some of these freebies wants to put their hooks and then reel, hook line and sinker. Some thinks that if they give a little they will reap a lot more in the end. I have had my share of those in the past. Most of the what I call pretender freebies are usually WG getting up there in age/mileage and need to find a nice guy to support them.
I found that pushing them away initially is a safer move. The bottom line is that getting pus$y in China is basically cheap. So losing one is no biggie. Finding freebies can be relatively easy once you set up your social business network.
Getting back to gaoshou, just take her out and check her out. If you are bit worry, then tell us what happened during dinner or your outing then maybe we could refine your moves a bit more. If it gets hot and heavy then post a couple pics for your ISG buddies
Good luck
OldAsiaHand
12-20-08, 06:06
I think MAB's comments are pretty close to the truth. As most of you know I don't do P4P, only 'freebies' so I cannot comment on these ladies. However, in the 7+ years in China,(Shanghai, Beijing, Xi'an) I have nailed literally 100's and I can count on one hand the number of times I have been refused BJ. Further, a surprising number (upwards of 40%) swallow.
ES
ES,
I do both P4P and freebies, although I am no where near as successful with freebies as you are.
My P4P percentage of BJ may be skewed since I normally enquire about availability during the selection process to avoid disappointment.
That said, many P4P girls will attempt to avoid giving head if they can get away with it. I usually gently insist and the majority relent albeit the ones that try these tactics are not very good at it. Some also try for CBJ vs. BBBJ, but even these will usually do BBBJ in response to the same insistence once they know that FS will be covered.
My theory is that P4P girls know that you are a monger and that your xiao didi has been stuck in many, many mouths and, maybe even pussies, without a cover.
Many P4P girls have recently told me that there is an increase in requests for BBBJ from local Chinese mongers since there is more access to porn nowadays.
The best place for BBBJ is at a sauna. These girls have been well trained in the art and provide the best service with many different styles. I also get good BBBJ from SWs that do car dates since they get a lot of practice. The worst BBBJ is from BBS girls, but that depends on the location. Some of the BBS girls in CP are pretty good. KTV girls are hit or miss for me. Many girls think the only purpose of BJ is to get you hard for FS.
Overall, BBBJ is pretty easy for me to get most of the time, CIM is usually only at a saunas and swallowing is pretty rare. YMMV.
In conclusion, most P4P are giving head out of necessity rather than preference.
On the other hand, my experience with freebies is pretty much in line with yours. Most will do it in order to please me, but they expect the same in return. I very rarely go down on a P4P girl. The other difference is that a freebie will even blow me after I have been screwing her, whereas, a P4P girl will never do this. The incidence of CIM and swallowing is much higher with freebies for me.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-21-08, 11:20
hahaha......if i am paying for sex, i don't give a damn if they cum or not, just as long as they do what i want and make my toes curl!
i've also heard this quite a bit. damn foreigners, getting all hopped up on vitamin v or c, trying to impress a friggin' hooker.
-cpe
cpe,
i agree with you on this. i could care less if they get off as long as i enjoy myself.
this subject has been discussed numerous times on the board. i've also been told by many girls that foreigners especially have a thing about trying to make them cum and that they just fake it to speed things up.
just my pov.
oah
cpe,
i agree with you on this. i could care less if they get off as long as i enjoy myself.
this subject has been discussed numerous times on the board. i've also been told by many girls that foreigners especially have a thing about trying to make them cum and that they just fake it to speed things up.
just my pov.
oahi imagine it is an ego thing - "i'm so good in the sack that i can even make this working girl cum - even though she has sex 10 times a day! maybe she'll give me a discount."
sammy
I imagine it is an ego thing - "I'm so good in the sack that I can even make this working girl cum - even though she has sex 10 times a day! Maybe she'll give me a discount."
SammyOr some people just get off seeing others satisfy.
Hey, for whatever reason, whatever turns people on.
Is all good!
If the female really enjoys it, or pretends she really enjoys it, that helps the male enjoy it, and that is good from the males perspective.
So smack her on the bum and give her a small tip, but only if YOU really enjoyed it.
Mock A Bee
12-23-08, 11:05
Yes, I agree, normally there is no real incentive to get your p4p girl off. But I have been with p4p girls who have no problem getting off.
In fact, one p4p in-call girl showed me where to rub her vulva just so... she was literally dripping juice onto the floor! Ahhh, I have fond memories of that one!
A sauna girl I had who I got to know over a few visits with her (and very unfortunately she returned to her hometown and is now back to civilian life), enjoyed my company enough that she gave me a couple of freebie sessions outside the sauna. She definitely got off on having sex with me, showing all the typical physiological signs, as well as being a real GFE. She was a complete freebie, and didn't even ask for taxi money. She always gave the best BBBJ's and she would squeeze her snatch muscles with me inside of her! Ahhh, another girl with fond memories...
Some girls actually have a normal sex drive, and whether they separate work from play or not, some of them can definitely get off on having sex with you.
I have found you usually need to have some kind of genuine mental connection with the girl for this to work. Usually she has to actually like you, versus seeing you as just another customer. If you find a girl like this, then you have better odds of converting her into a freebie.
MAB
Yes, I agree, normally there is no real incentive to get your p4p girl off. But I have been with p4p girls who have no problem getting off.
Usually she has to actually like you, versus seeing you as just another customer.
MAB
I find Mock A Bee's last sentence to be very interesting and true.
The big sexual difference between the sexes seems to be the females ability to have sex without arousal, for us that is impossible. She can be moaning and groaning without having an orgasm, playing a game of deception, so we never know for sure, but she knows about us. iI she is not sure she can look at the rubber duckie you pull off and weigh it's contents.
One similarity we have with females is this, we find it difficult to have an orgasm with a female we are not attracted to and i imagine it must be the same for them. So if you can actually get her to like you then that will increase the probabality she will enjoy the sex also. Why should you give a damn about wether a working girl enjoys the deed or not? Well, for selfish reasons. Because we enjoy it more when she enjoys it also.
That's why you ought to choose a gal who might "actually like you".
SE Asia Joe
12-24-08, 08:07
I have found you usually need to have some kind of genuine mental connection with the girl for this to work. Usually she has to actually like you, versus seeing you as just another customer. If you find a girl like this, then you have better odds of converting her into a freebie.
MAB
Genuine mental connection - yes, that is the key factor. It truly is great when and if this happens.
The problem I see is that there are just too many instances when a monger is convinced that he has this "mental connection" with the gal whilst she just wants to get it over and done with. I believe that there are also "serial Romeos" who thinks that he knows how to "mould" every gal he is with and puts on his Romeo ways with each and every WG he's with - while for the most part, they just want it over and done with! (should I call this the OWL syndrome?)
And according to the gal who first brought this subject up - as well as quite a few others who I've had a chance to discuss such with - this delusion seems to afflict an inordinate amount of foreign mongers in China - when they cannot even converse properly to each other. Especially compared to the locals/HKG/Taiwan guys; I guess its because locals etc are just too damn pragmatic and do understand the situation better.
And on "converting them into freebies" - I have rather strong feelings about this.
(***Here, I must emphasize such feelings' purely my own opinion/not trying to impose my standards on anybody else/please do not get offended.***).
I do not think its right to convert a WG into freebies as then I would be not any better than those guys who are their pimps/boyfriends who turf them out to work and demand that they surrender their hard-earned money. I mean - what's the difference between them and I if I don't pay them for their service - or at least give them back something of approximate equal value for their services? Their profession is to sell their bodies - if I partake of such without paying for it - isn't that akin to going to a restaurant to eat and then leave without paying? Sorry just IMHO and its my practise to insist on paying WG's who I've bedded.
True freebies are a totally different matter/consideration and I of course do not feel anything at all about not paying these true freebies - but a WG (And YES, in my own mind I do definitely know who are WG's and who are not!) - well, I do pay them.
SEAJ
Clean Gene
12-24-08, 09:22
If a gal is able to convince me she really likes me, I want to pay her back at least several times in one way or another. I love truly convincing devotion from a lovely young thing. I have supported several through university (and even graduate school in the States). Two are professors in California, and one, a tall Northern Beauty, is professor at an Eastern Ivy League University. A couple of gals who went to industry have sent me checks in payment (which I have kept and never cashed).
The present economy will put a damper on my largess, but not my lifestyle. I have lost nearly 80% of my stash in the market.
A hooker is in the entertainment business. Her job is to make you feel welcome and desirable, and to give you sexual pleasure. If she is good at her job, you will think that she "actually likes you" and that she enjoyed having sex with you.
And maybe sometimes she does.
But probably, most of the time, she doesn't. She couldn't really give a shit about me or you, or the horses we rode in on. Just another John.
And let's be honest, most of the time we feel the same way about her. Just another hooker.
One Eyed Man
12-24-08, 16:03
this subject has been discussed numerous times on the board. i've also been told by many girls that foreigners especially have a thing about trying to make them cum and that they just fake it to speed things up.
truth be told, it's probably extremely difficult to get a provider off. (one described her job to me as having to eat when you're not hungry.) but we're talking about another human being, who can have a pretty unpleasant job (having to service people like us.) i think you're not getting the best value for your money if you focus solely on the provider, but if you can give someone else a little pleasure or make her day a little less difficult without diminishing your experience, then why not?
Old Mean Dog
12-24-08, 17:24
I have supported several through university (and even graduate school in the States). Two are professors in California, and one, a tall Northern Beauty, is professor at an Eastern Ivy League University. A couple of gals who went to industry have sent me checks in payment (which I have kept and never cashed).
I assume you are NOT talking about P4P gals here, but rather actual girlfriends and/or second wives?
If not, I need to come to your city, because most of the gals I meet in the sex biz are:
A. Dumber than a box of rocks
B. Lack any motivation to better themselves (Other than cosmetic surgery for dbl eyelids, bigger tits, or getting a new hair do)
C. Materialistic, sly, greedy little things
Can you please clarify it a bit more or tell me where the heck you are ;-)
Merry Christmas,
-CPE
Genuine mental connection. Yes, that is the key factor. It truly is great when and if this happens. And on "converting them into freebies". I have rather strong feelings about this.
(***Here, I must emphasize such feelings' purely my own opinion/not trying to impose my standards on anybody else/please do not get offended. ***). I do not think its right to convert a WG into freebies as then I would be not any better than those guys who are their pimps/boyfriends who turf them out to work and demand that they surrender their hard-earned money. I mean. What's the difference between them and I if I don't pay them for their service. Or at least give them back something of approximate equal value for their services? Their profession is to sell their bodies. If I partake of such without paying for it. Isn't that akin to going to a restaurant to eat and then leave without paying? Sorry just IMHO and its my practise to insist on paying WG's who I've bedded.
True freebies are a totally different matter/consideration and I of course do not feel anything at all about not paying these true freebies. But a WG (And YES, in my own mind I do definitely know who are WG's and who are not! ). Well, I do pay them.
SEAJIt is difficult to make WG freebies. It is easier to turn lonely "unused" housewives, MILF's, office/retail gals into freebies. Most of the one in this group have less mileage on them. WG for me just have too much mileage on them. Their warranty is just almost up.
Red Rock II
12-24-08, 20:40
I have found you usually need to have some kind of genuine mental connection with the girl for this to work. Usually she has to actually like you, versus seeing you as just another customer. If you find a girl like this, then you have better odds of converting her into a freebie.
MAB
To find a P4P provider that actually like you is extremly difficult. Even they are in the sex business, in their eyes, all men who pay a visit to such place are equally bad. If you are a good man, you should be with you wife/girl friend instead of doing P4P. Sometimes, when they say you are a good man, that means that you are easy to please comparing to someone who abuse them. They can't really like/love you because in chinese calture, P4P is a sin.
It is possible to establish some connection with those girls such as getting their phone numbers and taking them out. Sometimes they will treat you like a friend and call you for small help here and there. But you are always one of their clients and this can never be changed.
There are many storied in chinese histry that a monger and WG fall in love, but hardly have any of them a happy ending. Some of those stories are so famous that almost everyone in china have heard them.
Please dont be fool. They can like you, but they only like you as a client, they will never like you as a man!
OldAsiaHand
12-25-08, 03:40
Sorry just IMHO and its my practise to insist on paying WG's who I've bedded.
True freebies are a totally different matter/consideration and I of course do not feel anything at all about not paying these true freebies - but a WG (And YES, in my own mind I do definitely know who are WG's and who are not!) - well, I do pay them.
SEAJ
SEAJ,
I also strongly agree with this. P4P is P4P. Freebies are freebies. I never cross the line. Many P4P girls are emotionally unstable and suffer from anxiety, confusion and self esteem issues. They can be easy prey for those who take advantage of this and give them a hope of a way out of the business. They do not give it up for free because you are a nice guy, young and handsome, etc. IMHO, unless you intend to marry them or otherwise support them financially, pay them every time you do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-25-08, 03:47
If you get a WG that is new on the game, she may still think that she should enjoy sex. Her only experience may have been with a b/f so she does you in the same way. However, she learns quickly that this is impossible to maintain with many customers every day and soon becomes hardened.
Just my POV.
OAH
Clean Gene
12-25-08, 09:22
I assume you are NOT talking about P4P gals here, but rather actual girlfriends and/or second wives?
If not, I need to come to your city, because most of the gals I meet in the sex biz are:
A. Dumber than a box of rocks
B. Lack any motivation to better themselves (Other than cosmetic surgery for dbl eyelids, bigger tits, or getting a new hair do)
C. Materialistic, sly, greedy little things
Can you please clarify it a bit more or tell me where the heck you are ;-)
Merry Christmas,
-CPE
CPE: People from the lower classes are often unpredictable in performance. I usually deal with girls of better background, I am less likely to be disappointed.
As for P4P ladies: they are good sources of information on local business and government. Universities are even better, although a greater investment building connections is required. Fortunately for me, my grandfather had cultivated many connections, and I renewed these connections when I came to China some 25 years ago.
I traveled over 10,000 miles renewing contacts. Many of these friends (and relatives--my grandfather left numerous offspring in China) wanted to send someone abroad. I was fortunate in helping quite a few.
One of the girls, a "half-cousin", is still with me today. She is my assistant manager. We share a daughter together, but no longer have sex. She says, "If I knew you were so dirty, I would never have given it to you." She has been a wonderful business asset and will most likely take over much of my business in China one day.
CG
Mock A Bee
12-28-08, 00:44
Genuine mental connection - yes, that is the key factor. It truly is great when and if this happens.
The problem I see is that there are just too many instances when a monger is convinced that he has this "mental connection" with the gal whilst she just wants to get it over and done with. I believe that there are also "serial Romeos" who thinks that he knows how to "mould" every gal he is with and puts on his Romeo ways with each and every WG he's with - while for the most part, they just want it over and done with! (should I call this the OWL syndrome?)
And according to the gal who first brought this subject up - as well as quite a few others who I've had a chance to discuss such with - this delusion seems to afflict an inordinate amount of foreign mongers in China - when they cannot even converse properly to each other. Especially compared to the locals/HKG/Taiwan guys; I guess its because locals etc are just too damn pragmatic and do understand the situation better.
And on "converting them into freebies" - I have rather strong feelings about this.
(***Here, I must emphasize such feelings' purely my own opinion/not trying to impose my standards on anybody else/please do not get offended.***).
I do not think its right to convert a WG into freebies as then I would be not any better than those guys who are their pimps/boyfriends who turf them out to work and demand that they surrender their hard-earned money. I mean - what's the difference between them and I if I don't pay them for their service - or at least give them back something of approximate equal value for their services? Their profession is to sell their bodies - if I partake of such without paying for it - isn't that akin to going to a restaurant to eat and then leave without paying? Sorry just IMHO and its my practise to insist on paying WG's who I've bedded.
True freebies are a totally different matter/consideration and I of course do not feel anything at all about not paying these true freebies - but a WG (And YES, in my own mind I do definitely know who are WG's and who are not!) - well, I do pay them.
SEAJ
In the case of my Sauna Freebie, she wanted to have sex with me outside of work - SHE called ME. She didn't want money for it.
I had sex with her again on a different day, again she didn't ask for money.
I didn't need to convince her to be my freebie, we just had sex without money involved. To remind you, she called me.
We had a good time. End of story.
Btw, I don't go out looking for freebie p4p girls, I know better than that! However, I usually chat with them a bit to break the ice, and if you start to develop a small interpersonal relationship so to speak, then you tend to get a better GFE out of it.
MAB
Mock A Bee
12-28-08, 01:11
To find a P4P provider that actually like you is extremly difficult. Even they are in the sex business, in their eyes, all men who pay a visit to such place are equally bad. If you are a good man, you should be with you wife/girl friend instead of doing P4P. Sometimes, when they say you are a good man, that means that you are easy to please comparing to someone who abuse them. They can't really like/love you because in chinese calture, P4P is a sin.
It is possible to establish some connection with those girls such as getting their phone numbers and taking them out. Sometimes they will treat you like a friend and call you for small help here and there. But you are always one of their clients and this can never be changed.
There are many storied in chinese histry that a monger and WG fall in love, but hardly have any of them a happy ending. Some of those stories are so famous that almost everyone in china have heard them.
Please dont be fool. They can like you, but they only like you as a client, they will never like you as a man!
RR2,
I think you are missing the point of my original post.
In the original topic of this thread I stated that some p4p girls can actually get off (orgasm and have a good time having sex with you) with a customer and that it helps if she actually likes you as a person not a customer.
I never said anything about falling in love with a p4p girl. Why would I do that? I have lived in China 8 years now, I know how the game is played - give me a break!
Further, if I establish a personal connection with a girl, it is because we have developed a "mutual arrangement" so to speak. I get a better GFE experience out of it, she gets a regular customer. (Sauna girls are encouraged, and sometimes required, to have repeat business. Some saunas give a bonus if they do.)
Yes, there are plenty of girls in the p4p business who are really messed up in the head, and if they are not already messed up, they soon will be. Most of these girls can't leave the business because either they like the money too much or are too messed up in the head.
However, not all girls are messed up. Some actually get into the business solely to make money and leave as soon as they make their nest egg, then go home and start their own business. I have met at least a good handful of girls who have done this. They usually have a very good head on their shoulders and understand exactly what they are doing.
Many poor families in rural China "don't ask don't tell" when their daughter comes back home with money. They usually say they did well at the factory and don't talk about it beyond that.
MAB
SE Asia Joe
12-29-08, 06:38
In the case of my Sauna Freebie, she wanted to have sex with me outside of work - SHE called ME. She didn't want money for it.
I had sex with her again on a different day, again she didn't ask for money.
I didn't need to convince her to be my freebie, we just had sex without money involved. To remind you, she called me.
We had a good time. End of story.
Btw, I don't go out looking for freebie p4p girls, I know better than that! However, I usually chat with them a bit to break the ice, and if you start to develop a small interpersonal relationship so to speak, then you tend to get a better GFE out of it.
MAB
Hey MAB - I apologize if I caused any offense - as I certainly never meant to do so and whoatever I wrote is purely in my own very humble opinion. PLUS of course I wouldn't dream of imposing my own modus operandi/way of thinking on anybody else!
The way I think about WG's giving it up for free is that they USUALLY do have an agenda for doing so. i.e. trying to get you as their Sugar daddy, to forego small immediate gains for larger and longer term ones - and even hatching a plot to get more info etc to blackmail/extort from you.
Others may think that since this is the case, that they the become "Fair Game" and thus as a true monger, one would take full advantage of their ulterior motive. Well, I take the other approach and instead just pay them to avoid any problems. Also, I pay them since I really do not like to string them along. I mean. to me, the amount of money is such relative small amounts whilst to them - their body is their ONLY asset.
Oh - of course there ARE WG's who truly just loves to do it with me (much like why a lot of WG's go to duck places) - but even for these, I do go ahead and pay them as - again - I do not want to take advantage of such gals' physical needs.
I really don't know how to explain all this properly I guess, but I put up the similarities between a gal and her BF/Pimp and if I don't pay. To me, its just about the same, as I would be preying on whatever weakness there is in the gal's psyche, the same as how these pimps prey on them.
Like I said - strictly IMHO!!
SEAJ
Changing a P4P relationship to one of GF [with free sex] will be quite a trick.
I use a car service to take me to the airport. It costs roughly $80 one way (price of P4P in some countries). Most times, I have the same driver whom I got to know quite well. While it has never occured to me to try to change the customer/driver relationship to one of friends and expect to get free rides from those professionals, I suspect I will fail even if I tried. So the chance of getting a working girl to become a GF and get free sex will equally be unlikely.
Note that in a customer/provider relationship, the customer is king. However, when the provider decides to give you free service, the dynamic completely changed. She is in charge. Basically, it is hard to turn a business relationship to a friendship where both parties are equal.
On the other hand, I do have friends who will drive me to the airport occasionally. This will be equivalent of getting sex from GF where the friendship was established through means other than P4P.
After the above, I did actually have one, and only one experience, where I turned a P4P woman into a temporary GF with free sex.
I was in Qatar for a 3 months assignment. Hooked up with this P4P PRC woman. For those who know Qatar, it is not an easy mongering place for both punters and providers, even though it is very close to both Dubai and Bahrain. She was pretty good in bed and gave me a good GFE. She arrived in Qatar not long before I had her and was totally out of her element in Qatar. She was living in a dump with 3 other girls while I had a company provided 2 bed rooms apartment all by myself.
I bumped into her at the City Center mall completely by accident a few days latter and suggested I would take her out for dinner - explicitly mentioning I have no interest [at that time] with a P4P encounter. She accepted. We met again on a second social occasion which ended up she staying over in my place. We became friend and she moved into my apartment while continued being a working girl. I actually helped her out in some tight spots a few times.
I suspect I will not be able to pull that off in China when she will in her home turf and I will be the stranger in the strange land.
Our informal relationship ended with my assignment. We kept in touch even though she is now married and living in Malaysia.
There has been a lot of discussion on this and here is my two rmb on this.
Most WGs if they are not screwed up mentally would start thinkng about an exit strategy as they start their career as a WG. If they have any brains, they realize quick the being a WG is a short lived career. If they do not think about exiting out as they enter they will be all washed up quickly. Going through some many guys per day creates a lot of wear and tear on their body.
If they are bright they will assess all their clients and try to use their sexual charms to link up with one or two on a permanent basis, maybe as a SO/GF or wife if the guy is single or an "er tai", mistress, GF for one that is already married. This is where a WG will change or move from a WG to a freebies and then to our ultimate position in the guys life. In most cases these relationships are short lived, very few would work out on the long term, even if you are married to them. I personally would not do it, what if you introduce her in a social event and a friend or associate may have had her in the past. That fear exist. I personally would not risk it.
There are other type of freebies. These are the ones that I prefer. I have establish relationships in the past with non WG's like retail clerk or office girls. The other category that I seems to find and like is wives and Signif. Others of busy execs. The underused and quite horny MILF's. Some with young kids and in their late 30's to early 40's are quite interesting. The cost of maintenance for this group is quite low. I'm not really cheap but the cost of maintenance is quite low and the return is quite high. The only drawback is that if their spouses finds out, you may have another problem on your hand. I usually are very selective and find an abundant supply to choose from. The unmarried office gals may just want a better experience, being able to go to places with you that they normally cannot afford to go to.
BTW. I usually do not hit on the girls at the office. If they do, I usually just pass on them. Just a bit too close for my comfort. I prefer workers in other clients' office. As for MILF's, other guys underused wives or GF, I usually find them at various business social event that I attend.
I'm usually very upfront with them, I tell them that I'm married so that I'm not giving them any expectation that they are forseeing. I prefer the wives, GF or MILF's variety, they are usually in it for the sex and thats it. I usually let them do the pursuing first, so that if anything happens, I'm not at fault. I have been very luck in this group. The cost is extremely low, I have had them actually paid for the cost of nice hotel rooms and dinner. Again, I'm not cheap but it feels great to be appreciative once in a while. Last year I got a very nice birthday present from two of them.
I do have standards. Some of these gals in this group have kept up their bodies very nicely, probably in the 8's to 9 range. I'm a very picky guy and very selective. I just do not understand why their husbands/Signif. Others ignore them. Two of them, I'm currently banging them BB. If they did happen to get pregnant, since I'm asian, they could pass them off as their husband's doing.
I do both freebies and P4P. I just loves the variety of gals. I just loves being a butterfly among the fields of flowers. I still like to go out to the sauna, KTV's and bbs (not that much of a bbs fan) for the variety. I love seeing the large line up of gals at the ktvs'. Walking down the aisle surrounded by these girls at these ktvs'. The lineup at the sauna, the bbs.
I just can't wait to get back to the motherland this spring. Ohh. I miss it.
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My 2 rmb.
Met this girl at a show sometime in May. She is 24 and is a working professional. Couple of day later, I took her out for coffee. We kept in touch via sms and calls while I was back home. Gave her lots of hints of my interest. I return to China back in August and she made the hotel bookings. Bought couple of presents for her since her birthday was just over. She came over after work. Told her to come up as I had some problems with the Chinese instructions in the roon. Gave her the presents, next thing I pulled her over and hugged her. Lots of kissing and gave her a good DIY. Now I was not expecting all this. I knew she kind of liked me but she knew I was keen. That trip, I changed plans and we went of to a nearby town for 3 day holiday with her. Se made all the arrangements.
While holidaying, I learned that she was a virgin and I had to think it over if I really wanted to deflower her. She was keen to get it over because she was herself debating whether to keep her virginity for husband or not. She said I was the rigt guy because prior to this she has not allowed her former bf to make love to her. Finally we did it (I couldn't say no and the devil in me made me do it) and boy was it a difficult process. Her hymen was tough and I never had so much difficulty in previous situations like this. Bloody affair is all I can say. It was not much fun. I return couple of months later and we again had a few days vacation. I treated her well and she appreciated it. We didn't do much love making as she still found it a little painful. So I was very patient with her.
Last month we had a vacation outside China. She paid for her air fare while I paid for all the hotels etc. This time we had some good time in bed and she did bleed again but not much. She enjoyed it and felt good. My friend Panya had a pleasure of meeting her for dinner.
Basically she is a nice girl. She liked me for who I was and was taken in by my smile and the way I treated her. I didn't insist on sex and sex. She knows that I don't like to get into a serious relationship which is acceptable to her. And I told her to go out and date. She has a guy who is dating her now. They have not had sex yet but I guess it will happen soon. I've hinted that I'm ok with her seeing him. So I guess we have an understanding. The girl is lovely, one that you can take out for dinner and have a great conversation. Not once did she ask me for money or gifts etc. Not sure where this will go but we are taking it one day at a time. We're in touch everyday via sms etc. My guess is once I don't see her for many months then things will stop but our friendship will remain.
This is my 1st time in China having a relationship like this and so far it is great. I never expected it in China honestly. She's also doubles up as my secretary when I'm there, takes care of my PRC phone package and top up etc. I do give her lots of advise about work and career. She has even told her mum about me but not the full details except that she knows this foreigner.
Guess you can have a relationship without need to be hooked in for money.
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I don't really get why you would want to have a prostitute as your girlfriend when there are so many nice and decent girls in China who are mostly quite easy to meet as a Westerner, just by chatting them up on the street.
Prostitutes are mostly dumb, lazy, with criminal inclinations, untrustworthy, low ethics, basically the female character equivalent of the male low level crook. Getting them into your private life will more likely than not only cause you misery. And as soon as your money's gone, so is the girl.
Oh, and Acerboy, if you know her to be a virgin, I would recommend buying some lubricant in one of the ubiquitous sex shops beforehand, since inexperienced Chinese girls will be nervous and not wet down there, so that way it will be easier to penetrate her and less painful for the girl. If she finds it to be not so painful, she will be more willing to have sex with you again.
Meiguoguizi
01-03-09, 16:45
SEAJ,
I also strongly agree with this. P4P is P4P. Freebies are freebies. I never cross the line. Many P4P girls are emotionally unstable and suffer from anxiety, confusion and self esteem issues. They can be easy prey for those who take advantage of this and give them a hope of a way out of the business. They do not give it up for free because you are a nice guy, young and handsome, etc. IMHO, unless you intend to marry them or otherwise support them financially, pay them every time you do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
Every year when I return 'home' from China where I spend several months each of the past 8 years, I can recall several of the providers that I was fortunate to 'spend' time with who have made an 'impression' on me. But each year it becomes more difficult to perceive each one individually. Even the cellphone numbers now require long notes of city/venue/body-type to accompany the name just so I can remember who she is.
In some ways I think that we gradually become as hardened to the 'transaction' as they do. As we spend more time with more providers we can become as mechanical in the performance as they do, and as blind to each provider's individuality.
I mention this because often in these reports we make sweeping generalizations rather that seeing each provider as a young, growing, changing individual. No doubt several do fall in love with clients. I'm sure several do quit after a few performances. I'm sure that a few take an ashtray and smash it on a client's balls.
Each and every human interaction is unique, whether or not cash and/or bodily fluids are exchanged.
If we're unable to personally sustain that perception in our own lives, let's at least allow for the possibility that a few of our fair friends may perceive our individuality in theirs.
Oh, and Acerboy, if you know her to be a virgin, I would recommend buying some lubricant in one of the ubiquitous sex shops beforehand, since inexperienced Chinese girls will be nervous and not wet down there, so that way it will be easier to penetrate her and less painful for the girl. If she finds it to be not so painful, she will be more willing to have sex with you again.Phil,
I didn't know until that night. And bringing in lube etc may have not gone down well with her, kind of conservative, however she was well lubricated those nights.Just tension I guess. She is ok now. Enjoyed her 1st cow girl.More to follow but I need to get to China soon.;)
LittleGoomba
01-03-09, 20:12
I'm unofficially retired thus haven't posted much at all lately but the freebies stories got me to waxing nostalgic.
There are have been some great mongering experiences up and down China in BBSs, saunas, ktvs, bar pickups but my absolute best memories are of the freebies I've met. As Phil mentioned, I'm not sure why one would enter into a serious relationship with a working girl when there are many, many normal girls out there who really don't need anything besides the stuff you'd do on a normal date. Maybe I've just gotten extremely lucky and have never had to deal with any psychos and golddiggers. Still, very few of the women I've been with in my time in China could be considered virginal/demure either, stuck with any fanciful notions about tradition, courtship, purity and even security. Their education, money, social status, and/or individuality meant they didn't need me. We just enjoyed the satisfaction of hanging out with someone you get along with and getting some sex while you're at it.
One of my favorite gals of all time was a Chengdu gal who was the epitomization of my general experiences in China. We met one afternoon while both looking at humidifiers in a shopping plaza near Tianfu square. 14 hours later after copious food, chatting, laughing, strolling, and drinks, she stuffed me in a cab, made a stop at her parent's house to pick up 'her stuff', and we ended up at my place. We ended having sex nearly right up to the time she had to go to work where she was some junior executive at an auction house. We both had really crazy work schedules but over the next few months we'd hang out, catch up, go out, have sex. Sometimes all of those, sometimes just one. Either way, she really opened my eyes about how open things could be here. She was respectable, well educated, an easy '9' in the looks and body department, funny as hell, extremely well-mannered yet loved to strip for me, bang my brains out when she needed it, and never once asked for anything besides my free time and friendship.
Most vivid image still is after a white water rafting trip up near Hongkou. She didn't want to wear a bra because it was constraining but naturally with the white water her white shirt got soaked and on the bus ride back to the starting area, her tits were in plain view of anyone with functional eyesight. She knew it and really didn't give a damn. She was on vacation, she knew her breasts were fantastic, and the playful little wink she gave me once I noticed her in all her glory is the lasting image I have of her to this day. Alas, I got transferred out of Chengdu but we're still friends though we connect very little these days.
Girls like her are the reason why I love freebies even though I am happy to partake in mongering as the occasion arises. (and while she was exceptional, she certainly wasn't the exception when it came to this type of arrangement)
I have been seeing a nice woman for the past 6 months and with Chinese New Year coming up I was wondering is it appropriate to give a red envelope.
Our relationship status is somewhere between 'close friends' and boyfriend/girlfriend. She has her own business so I wanted to wish her some good success and fortune for the upcoming year.
As I haven't had a steady Chinese lady friend before I wanted to make sure I do things the right way. Any advice would be appreciated. She does have a couple of children from previous relationships if that is at all relevant.
I have been seeing a nice woman for the past 6 months and with Chinese New Year coming up I was wondering is it appropriate to give a red envelope.
Our relationship status is somewhere between 'close friends' and boyfriend/girlfriend. She has her own business so I wanted to wish her some good success and fortune for the upcoming year.
As I haven't had a steady Chinese lady friend before I wanted to make sure I do things the right way. Any advice would be appreciated. She does have a couple of children from previous relationships if that is at all relevant.It is appropriate to give red envelope to her unmarried children. As for an adult to another adult, maybe some sweets would be more appropriate. You could find them in Asian stores. Asian sweets. As in candied sweeten melon strips, coconut candy. You could find assortments now.
I have been seeing a nice woman for the past 6 months and with Chinese New Year coming up I was wondering is it appropriate to give a red envelope.
Our relationship status is somewhere between 'close friends' and boyfriend/girlfriend. She has her own business so I wanted to wish her some good success and fortune for the upcoming year.
As I haven't had a steady Chinese lady friend before I wanted to make sure I do things the right way. Any advice would be appreciated. She does have a couple of children from previous relationships if that is at all relevant.The red envelope is for her children, that is a must if you care about her. Chinese new year is about family and relatives, if you are fortune enough to be invited to those gathering. That means she is serious about the relationship. That you need to start stuffing red envelopes for the children and kids that are not married.
SE Asia Joe
01-09-09, 07:50
I have been seeing a nice woman for the past 6 months and with Chinese New Year coming up I was wondering is it appropriate to give a red envelope.
Our relationship status is somewhere between 'close friends' and boyfriend/girlfriend. She has her own business so I wanted to wish her some good success and fortune for the upcoming year.
As I haven't had a steady Chinese lady friend before I wanted to make sure I do things the right way. Any advice would be appreciated. She does have a couple of children from previous relationships if that is at all relevant.
You will NOT go wrong with preparing red envellopes for the kids. And since I don't know about your relationship w/the gal - and seems to me that you are also not that sure - this would be a good time to get indications to figure out what is such relationship; You need to gauge HER reaction when you give the red envellopes to the kids - whether then she "mentions' things like "Hey - where's mine?' or "give them 2 each" and to the other end of the spectrum like "Oh no - you shouldn't have, it's not necessary etc"
You can handle the situation as it evolves
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
01-09-09, 12:03
You will NOT go wrong with preparing red envellopes for the kids. And since I don't know about your relationship w/the gal - and seems to me that you are also not that sure - this would be a good time to get indications to figure out what is such relationship; You need to gauge HER reaction when you give the red envellopes to the kids - whether then she "mentions' things like "Hey - where's mine?' or "give them 2 each" and to the other end of the spectrum like "Oh no - you shouldn't have, it's not necessary etc"
You can handle the situation as it evolves
SEAJ
If you are still single, you have no obligation to give redbags to anyone. That said, if you are the boss and single, you may want to give redbags to your employees. On the other hand, if you are married and have a family, you are expected to give redbags to virtually everybody, especially kids and single adults younger than you.
This is the normal practice.
Just my POV.
OAH
Every year when I return 'home' from China where I spend several months each of the past 8 years, I can recall several of the providers that I was fortunate to 'spend' time with who have made an 'impression' on me. But each year it becomes more difficult to perceive each one individually. Even the cellphone numbers now require long notes of city/venue/body-type to accompany the name just so I can remember who she is.
In some ways I think that we gradually become as hardened to the 'transaction' as they do. As we spend more time with more providers we can become as mechanical in the performance as they do, and as blind to each provider's individuality.
I mention this because often in these reports we make sweeping generalizations rather that seeing each provider as a young, growing, changing individual. No doubt several do fall in love with clients. I'm sure several do quit after a few performances. I'm sure that a few take an ashtray and smash it on a client's balls. Each and every human interaction is unique, whether or not cash and/or bodily fluids are exchanged.
If we're unable to personally sustain that perception in our own lives, let's at least allow for the possibility that a few of our fair friends may perceive our individuality in theirs. I think this is just part of the mongering experience. When you are with a working girl, it's really nothing more than just a transaction if you think about it. Most WG don't attach any emotions to the clients. In order to protect yourself (unless you want to carry a serious relationship with them) it's best to differentiate between a gf and a WG.
Sure they are young and growing girls. But mongering is mongering. I've been, and I'm sure many here have been, at one time involved emotionally with a WG once before. It never works out.
A man's goal in the end is getting a variety if different girls. Perhaps you forgetting who they are after time is a just a natural instinct and a blessing in disguise.
Now if the girl was a non-pro regular girl, then that's a different story. But in terms of mongering, the goals are similar with the client and WG, exchange of service for money. Clear and simple.
It's harsh, but I've got a friend who goes to these BBS or Saunas and KTV trying to pick up on these chicks. I personally feel that it's not worth it. Too much mind games and potential hazard to your wallet also. They are all jaded in the end, with no goals of falling in love with you as a person, but rather your wallet.
Hate to be cynical, but that's what I've experienced and what my friends have as well. Girls are WG to survive, and in a survival mode, emotions are the least of their concerns.
Perhaps these couple of years in CP has really changed my opinion of things. Take in account 4-5 years ago, CP had girls that just seemed a bit more innocent, and easy going. But over the years they became more raw, harsh and just plain rude. If I compare my experience with girls 5 years ago with them now, I had a much better time before than now. Before they were more eager to please, and now they are more eager to leave with your RMB.
AsnDragon
Ragnarok42
01-10-09, 01:13
If you are still single, you have no obligation to give redbags to anyone. That said, if you are the boss and single, you may want to give redbags to your employees. On the other hand, if you are married and have a family, you are expected to give redbags to virtually everybody, especially kids and single adults younger than you.
This is the normal practice.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH is totally correct though I believe there is a cut off age to giving redenvelopes to those older than 21 or around that age. Unless you are the boss then you are not REQUIRED to give them and always hard to since the person will either be embarrassed or think you are stingy for not giving them enough. Usually the office will give a bonus at this time and that makes all the employees happy.
Just my experience.
Rag
OAH is totally correct though I believe there is a cut off age to giving redenvelopes to those older than 21 or around that age. Unless you are the boss then you are not REQUIRED to give them and always hard to since the person will either be embarrassed or think you are stingy for not giving them enough. Usually the office will give a bonus at this time and that makes all the employees happy.
Just my experience.
RagI think slarty is courting this lady and he wants to know what to do to make her believed that he cares, and I believed that the lady he is with know that he does not know anything about Chinese traditions. So, throw all that tradition crap out the window and just do what you think you should do.
Heck, I am Chinese and most of friends don't even believe and follow the tradition any longer. Everyone one of my friends have different believe in the tradition, there is no right or wrong here. Doing something is better than no doing anything, sign of respects means everything!
"IF some pension earning, multi-divorced, completely bald, Viagra popping
monger wants to hook up with some young, beautiful, sexy LBFM...
God Bless Him!
IF this spinner eventually empties out his bank accounts after an amazing joyride, so be it."
I might add "or with a full head of hair"... but I endorse of all Chitrapa's comments.
Great reading: check it out.
Chitrapa on the Changsa thread. :)
Well done, Chitrapa.
P13
Lubricate It
01-11-09, 01:18
A question for the experts. On two separate occasions now, I have seen Chinese girls apply the hotel toothpaste to their pussies after they have showered, following a fairly vigorous fucking session, which unusually, happened to be bareback with withdrawal before ejaculation, I think, in each case. Am puzzled by the rationale for this. Do they like the soothing sensation of the toothpaste, or do they believe that it offers some sort of antiseptic or contraceptive protection. Glad views.
Red Rock II
01-11-09, 04:02
A question for the experts. On two separate occasions now, I have seen Chinese girls apply the hotel toothpaste to their pussies after they have showered, following a fairly vigorous fucking session, which unusually, happened to be bareback with withdrawal before ejaculation, I think, in each case. Am puzzled by the rationale for this. Do they like the soothing sensation of the toothpaste, or do they believe that it offers some sort of antiseptic or contraceptive protection. Glad views.
Answer: They belive toothpasete offers some sort of antiseptic or contraceptive protection. In sauna place I also saw some guy apply toothpaste to their penise when they were taking a shower (I belive they just got out of a ssession). I asked my local friends why they did so, and I was told toothpaste has stronger antiseptic protection than regular soap.
OldAsiaHand
01-11-09, 15:42
Answer: They belive toothpasete offers some sort of antiseptic or contraceptive protection. In sauna place I also saw some guy apply toothpaste to their penise when they were taking a shower (I belive they just got out of a ssession). I asked my local friends why they did so, and I was told toothpaste has stronger antiseptic protection than regular soap.
Just today, a girl washed my ass with toothpaste in a sauna before giving me AR.
OAH
You may find it interesting to know that its customary for businesses to take the Chinese character for luck and turn it upside down before CNY and right side up after CNY. As your "friend" has her own business it may impress her if you suggest or check if she follows this custom for her business.
Also, in the Southern part of China, HKG & TWN its not unusual to buy young bamboo clippings place them in water and allow them to sprout. Its understood to represent increasing & growing wealth due to good business skills.
Hope this is useful
/W
I have been seeing a nice woman for the past 6 months and with Chinese New Year coming up I was wondering is it appropriate to give a red envelope.
Our relationship status is somewhere between 'close friends' and boyfriend/girlfriend. She has her own business so I wanted to wish her some good success and fortune for the upcoming year.
As I haven't had a steady Chinese lady friend before I wanted to make sure I do things the right way. Any advice would be appreciated. She does have a couple of children from previous relationships if that is at all relevant.
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