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For me it happened many years ago, back when this website had a different name and before I had discovered it. Followed 2 ladies in the Lowu area.
Delete your post because he is not going to believe your or anyone. He is death ears. All reports of crime, raids, scams are fake and lies according to him.
SE Asia Joe
12-03-09, 07:55
The hotel rating system favors Chinese owned hotels. Basically, they add a star to international norms. Before the new Eurasian Hotel opened, the only 5 star hotel in CP was the Hui Hua, which, let's be honest, is not really a 5 star hotel, but since it's Chinese owned, they give them an extra star. It's like that all over China. Look at the major international chain hotels like Sheraton or Intercontinental, they get rated to a higher standard. I think the 4 Points Sheraton in Shenzhen is only rated a 4 star, and it's a MUCH better hotel than HH.
Hey Moody - Like I said previously - ALL the hotels in China are 5 stars.
All you have to do to confirm this is to look outside at the Flag pole and you will see the 5 yellow stars on the red flag.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
12-03-09, 08:30
Hey Moody. Like I said previously. ALL the hotels in China are 5 stares.
All you have to do to confirm this is to look outside at the Flag pole and you will see the 5 yellow stars of the hotel on a red flag.
SEAJSEAJ,
There are two 6 star hotel in Macau and Hainan island sanya is buliding two 7 star resort open next year, it is bulid on Phoenix island a man made island with theme park and a golf course and a cruise ship port, there are only five 7 star resort hotel in the world and none in the USA.
Fast Eddie 48
Bob Builder
12-03-09, 08:31
I'd like to get you guy-ses suggestions for the best way to Chang An from Hong Kong.
I'd previously either go on the direct bus from Hong Kong (By the way, the direct buses from Hong Kong side to CP, CA etc has now been moved to the bus station next to the Shun Tak Macau Ferry building i/o the previous Wanchai Ferry) which takes about a couple hours To ChangAn hotel (bus schedule quite limited) or else go via Luohu/Lowu, go down to the Bus Station, ground level of the Lowu Commercial Centre, bus bay #8 and buy the ticket on the bus RMB 35. Every 15-20 minutes and the last bus is at 9:20 pm
Anybody know a better way? I especially don't like that they still need to video tape all the passengers on the buses from Lowu pior to them leaving - so that if the bus gets robbed on the way, the culprit(s) would be one of the guy(s) vidoe-ed. How safe is that??? And I don't only mean their kamikaze type driving!!
SEAJ
The bus is the best way there as if you are scared of traffic accidents, it is better that you are in a big bus than going faster in a small private car. The only thing bigger than the bus on the road is a container truck or dump truck. Unless you really have a problem with someone with video evidence of you going to Changan and that pretty young thing in the seat next to you, LOL.
SE Asia Joe
12-03-09, 08:45
The bus is the best way there as if you are scared of traffic accidents, it is better that you are in a big bus than going faster in a small private car. The only thing bigger than the bus on the road is a container truck or dump truck. Unless you really have a problem with someone with video evidence of you going to Changan and that pretty young thing in the seat next to you, LOL.
LOL!!
I'm gonna have to hire me a container or dump truck now!!
That'd REALLY be haulin' ass then!!
LOL
SEAJ
Delete your post because he is not going to believe your or anyone. He is death ears. All reports of crime, raids, scams are fake and lies according to him.
You are probably right. But I will not delete the post, so other readers can decide for themselves. CP is not like a gangland in LA, but crime, raids and scams are very common in China, especially in the Dongguan/Guangzhou/Shenzhen area.
The number one rule is to never follow a tout promising girls, because it often is a trap. But then again, sometimes, that's the only way to findout where the pussy is.
Bob Builder
12-03-09, 09:10
LOL!!
I'm gonna have to hire me a container or dump truck now!!
That'd REALLY be haulin' ass then!!
LOL
SEAJ
I used to go to factories in a container truck and nothing is safer. I was in one once than ran over a guy on a motorbike and watched in the rear side mirror as the bike was squashed under the back wheels under the container. There was not even a bump. Back in the old days when CP was real shithole and the only Hong Kong mongers were factory managers and truck drivers every Hong Kong truck would have a pretty gal in the cab.
And back then no one had even heard of Nokia.
Sukhumvitter
12-03-09, 13:33
I'd like to get you guy-ses suggestions for the best way to Chang An from Hong Kong.
I'd previously either go on the direct bus from Hong Kong (By the way, the direct buses from Hong Kong side to CP, CA etc has now been moved to the bus station next to the Shun Tak Macau Ferry building i/o the previous Wanchai Ferry) which takes about a couple hours To ChangAn hotel (bus schedule quite limited) or else go via Luohu/Lowu, go down to the Bus Station, ground level of the Lowu Commercial Centre, bus bay #8 and buy the ticket on the bus RMB 35. Every 15-20 minutes and the last bus is at 9:20 pm
Anybody know a better way? I especially don't like that they still need to video tape all the passengers on the buses from Lowu pior to them leaving - so that if the bus gets robbed on the way, the culprit(s) would be one of the guy(s) vidoe-ed. How safe is that??? And I don't only mean their kamikaze type driving!!
SEAJ
If you cross into China at the Shekou bridge (Shenzhen Wan KouAn) there are some buses there that go to CP. There might be one that goes to CA but I'm not sure.
More reliably, you could take a taxi to the NanYou Bus Station (on Shennan Lu in NanShan - taxi is about 30 RMB) and then take a CA bus from there. It's a 1 hour trip (leaves every 30 min) and costs about 30 RMB. I know it seems crazy to take a taxi for 10 min at 30 RMB, then get on a bus for 1 hour for the same price, but I don't know the bus route from the border crossing to the Bus Station. ^_^
Another option that I've used before is to catch a Dongguan taxi near the main gate of Shenzhen University (they sit just north of the main gate on NanHai DaDao). They congregate there after dropping off passengers in NanShan. They don't use their meter (officially cannot work in Shenzhen), but they don't want to make the trip back to Dongguan empty so will negotiate. I've gone to CA for 90 RMB before using them.
Good Luck!
SE Asia Joe
12-03-09, 16:44
If you cross into China at the Shekou bridge (Shenzhen Wan KouAn) there are some buses there that go to CP. There might be one that goes to CA but I'm not sure.
More reliably, you could take a taxi to the NanYou Bus Station (on Shennan Lu in NanShan - taxi is about 30 RMB) and then take a CA bus from there. It's a 1 hour trip (leaves every 30 min) and costs about 30 RMB. I know it seems crazy to take a taxi for 10 min at 30 RMB, then get on a bus for 1 hour for the same price, but I don't know the bus route from the border crossing to the Bus Station. ^_^
Another option that I've used before is to catch a Dongguan taxi near the main gate of Shenzhen University (they sit just north of the main gate on NanHai DaDao). They congregate there after dropping off passengers in NanShan. They don't use their meter (officially cannot work in Shenzhen), but they don't want to make the trip back to Dongguan empty so will negotiate. I've gone to CA for 90 RMB before using them.
Good Luck!
Hi Sukh - thanks for the suggestions
What do you feel about catching those Dongguan taxis in NanHai DaDao?
I've both taken a taxi there to catch my own or been "sold off" by a taxi to these guys - and I've NOT had any problems; but I always am quite wary of possibly getting into problems if my luck runs out and I get into one of these bads-ass taxis or more likely, bad ass private unlicensed taxis.
SEAJ
Web Connect
12-03-09, 20:00
May I suggest you alwasys carry a Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch), when getting in a bads-ass or private unlicensed taxis. It is small enough to carry in your pocket, about the size of a pen and legal in every country in the world. You can even use it as a shank.
I am not sure if you ever tried to punch or kick out a car window, but it is not as easy as people think. A Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch) will break the window in one shot with very little effort.
It is also a good idea to carry spray mace if you plan on getting in a car with a driver you are not familiar with.
Bob Builder
12-04-09, 01:30
May I suggest you alwasys carry a Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch), when getting in a bads-ass or private unlicensed taxis. It is small enough to carry in your pocket, about the size of a pen and legal in every country in the world. You can even use it as a shank.
I am not sure if you ever tried to punch or kick out a car window, but it is not as easy as people think. A Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch) will break the window in one shot with very little effort.
It is also a good idea to carry spray mace if you plan on getting in a car with a driver you are not familiar with.
You would have an easier time finding a black star pistol and a 14 inch solid rubber dildo in China to defend yourself.
When in a car surrounded by 3-5 guys with knives and clubs in a secluded part of the countryside which is normally how these robberies happen, the first thing you want do is smash the window and go outside and take them all on.
May I suggest you alwasys carry a Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch), when getting in a bads-ass or private unlicensed taxis. It is small enough to carry in your pocket, about the size of a pen and legal in every country in the world. You can even use it as a shank.
I am not sure if you ever tried to punch or kick out a car window, but it is not as easy as people think. A Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch) will break the window in one shot with very little effort.
It is also a good idea to carry spray mace if you plan on getting in a car with a driver you are not familiar with.
Why would you need any kind of protection when you believe there is no crime, scams, raids in China. You felt completely safe during your stay.
Like one old time member said, people in China don't fight fair. It is NOT one on one. It is 10 to 1.3 billion against you in a fight.
3-4 years ago, very few people had devices for the GPS coordinates. For maps, like google maps were not around then. Furthermore, nobody really cares about the Catacombs because of the extreme conditions. You are looking for trouble but you are not going to take any advice as usual.
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SE Asia Joe
12-04-09, 01:39
Why would you need any kind of protection when you believe there is no crime, scams, raids in China. You felt completely safe during your stay..
I was gonna completely ignore anything about Webbie,,,, but this is just too funny!! TOO FUNNY!!
ROFLMAO!!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
12-04-09, 03:26
Why would you need any kind of protection when you believe there is no crime, scams, raids in China. You felt completely safe.
Like one old time member said, people in China don't fight fair. It is NOT one on one. It is 10 to 1.3 billion against you in a fight.
3-4 years ago, very few people had devices for the GPS coordinates. For maps, like google maps were not around then. Furthermore, nobody really care about the Catacombs because of the extreme conditions. You are looking for trouble but you are not going to take any advice as usual.
Like one old time member said, people in China don't fight fair. It is NOT
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In the real world, in a street fight nobody fights fair, not just in China. At least it is not like in the US when a guy after celebrating at a stag party can get 5 cops unload all their pistols into him when he was drunk or unarmed or in Baltimore where a cop tazers a 10 year old kid, but she was big for her age.
Thanks guys for all the info posted on this thread. Visited CP for 2 nights in Nov after the crackdown. Wanted to see if I can meet up with fellow ISG'ers but my friend didn't feel comfortable mongering with people he doesn't know. Prices in RMB.
BBS's
Only tried Jun Hui KTV BBS. Thanks SEAJ for giving me the detailed directions. Some taxi drivers knew where it was, but I needed to tell some taxi drivers that it's located across the Manhattan Serviced Apartments (Man Ha Tun Hua Yuan). Quoted 230 for ST. I remember a few pages back SEAJ mentioning the prices going up here so I picked and paid mommy 100. Back to hotel, did the deed, paid girl 130 + 15 taxi fare.
Sauna's
Went to HuiHua, Virgin, and HuiMei sauna to first check out lineup of each. HuiMei lineup looked best to me, so I went there. They have 3 groups A, B, and C. A is supposedly the model group. They are a bit taller, but not by much. Cost of girl $400. B are the regular girls. Cost of girl $300. C group are petite girls with above average sized tits. During viewing they actually take off their top. Cost of girl $400. Room fee if I remember correctly is around $258 for a large room with all the amenities - 2 steam rooms, standup shower, water bed.
Selected from C group. Service was standard, but interesting since I never experienced the waterbed. 2 shots available during the 2 hour duration but did not take since I was too tired.
Royal Garden Hotel sauna in Dalang. This was a big disappointment considering the quality of lineup/cost. I expected Macau Rio, 18 sauna model quality but was sorely disappointed. They have at least 3 tiers $500, $800, $1,000, if I remember correctly. Flower street starts around 7:30pm. I picked just to try the place out since I was already there. Total cost was around $1,400, $1,000 for model, $400 for room. Room was very nice. You can stay overnight but I forgot to ask about timing. Service was ok for 2 hours.
KTV
Visited Crown Prince KTV in Huangjiang. They have a flower street towards the left where you enter. Went on a Sat night prime time. There were a few that caught my attention, but I figure saunas provided more consistent service so I did not pick. Joined friends in KTV room for 15min then went back to Huimei for a double.
Will post in Macau forum next.
SE Asia Joe
12-04-09, 08:03
BBS's
Only tried Jun Hui KTV BBS. Thanks SEAJ for giving me the detailed directions. Some taxi drivers knew where it was, but I needed to tell some taxi drivers that it's located across the Manhattan Serviced Apartments (Man Ha Tun Hua Yuan). Quoted 230 for ST. I remember a few pages back SEAJ mentioning the prices going up here so I picked and paid mommy 100. Back to hotel, did the deed, paid girl 130 + 15 taxi fare.
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AAARRRGHHHH...!!! These Bia..tch Mommies at the Jun Hui - again they are at the forefront of trying to jack up the prices @#*%#$!!
They were responsible for the prices at the whole Yalan/Swan Lake area going up to 200-500 from 150-400 a few years back and now they're trying this shit again with this nonsense of 230 for ST and 600 LT AND 2-4-7 at their KTV!!
(Was 200-500 and 1-3-6 before - but they claim it's because the Jun Hui is a nicer place than the old Swan Lake and that the gals are now in see thru outfit with no bra - B.F.D. I say - especially with them still being afraid to don their new outfit because of the recent crack-downs!!!)
Apologies MinkFan for not warning you - but at least its only a few RMB more as it's quite reasonable to give 220, 230 total price when the service and gal is to your satisfaction - and thus your RMB 245 total price is OK!.... I guess!!
Guys - if you want to of course - please try to stand the ground with these Jun Hui mommies and report back to us what happened (nothing I suspect, as they KNOW what the prices should be!)
IMHO
SEAJ
May I suggest you alwasys carry a Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch), when getting in a bads-ass or private unlicensed taxis. It is small enough to carry in your pocket, about the size of a pen and legal in every country in the world. You can even use it as a shank.
I am not sure if you ever tried to punch or kick out a car window, but it is not as easy as people think. A Automatic Center Punch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_center_punch) will break the window in one shot with very little effort.
It is also a good idea to carry spray mace if you plan on getting in a car with a driver you are not familiar with.
I'll be the guide, and WebConnect and OWL can be the bodyguards!
Of course, we will need to get Wadman to drive the getaway car 'cause I can't remember shit, won't know where we are or where the fuck we are going.
Reminder note: Don't forget the beer, the pot, the mace, the automatic what's it called, condoms, etc.
Anybody in Hollywood interested? :D
No wucking furries, problem solved!
Web Connect
12-04-09, 12:28
Why would you need any kind of protection when you believe there is no crime, scams, raids in China. You felt completely safe during your stay.
Like one old time member said, people in China don't fight fair.
3-4 years ago, very few people had devices for the GPS coordinates. For maps, like google maps were not around then. Furthermore, nobody really cares about the Catacombs because of the extreme conditions.
Edit: had some typosYou are correct. I felt completely safe during your stay.
I suggested it to him.
Well now there are more people with GPS devices and some phones even have apps. So maybe we should start using them as suggested by Bob Builder. I think it is a good idea.
There are still some people interested in the Catacombs. Not every one is a BSD!. Some people just like it sleazy. Why should you care what other people like?
Web Connect
12-04-09, 12:31
I was going to completely ignore anything about Webbie,
SEAJI figured that. But knew you did'nt have the will power. You are too much of a ego maniac. You just love looking at your type written words way too much.
Sukhumvitter
12-04-09, 12:40
Hi Sukh - thanks for the suggestions
What do you feel about catching those Dongguan taxis in NanHai DaDao?
I've both taken a taxi there to catch my own or been "sold off" by a taxi to these guys - and I've NOT had any problems; but I always am quite wary of possibly getting into problems if my luck runs out and I get into one of these bads-ass taxis or more likely, bad ass private unlicensed taxis.
SEAJ
I've only ever seen the light-blue DG taxis by Shenzhen Univ. These are regular taxis from Dongguan rather than private cars. I guess there is a risk in getting into any stranger's car, even a legal taxi, but you do carry your automatic center punch and spray mace. Right? ^_^
I think there are other locations in Shenzhen near the entrances to the various expressways where different taxis from Dongguan hang out waiting for someone to carry back to DG. They're trying to make that extra buck (which I applaud) and avoid returning empty.
Have fun!
Please....
Let us not be so judgemental about people wanting to go to the catacombs. It is not super-safe, but it is not THAT dangerous either! Most of us who have been there before, especially the seniors leading the way, have been there multiple times. And now we are telling other guys (i.e. Web Connect) that they cannot go?
Most of us usually go just for kicks, to look at the 30 rmb girls and to show others the area. While not even having the slightest intention to actually do a girl there.
The catacombs are in some backalleys (to get to those backalleys, you have to enter some other backalleys first). There are only a few entrances/exits to the place, unless you are willing and able to scale walls. There is usually a group of local guys playing cards at these entrances. Perhaps coincidentally, but more likely to act as guards. To my knowledge, no guys have been robbed or beaten up in there.
My advice would be to not go alone; go with a group of guys. And do not hang around the area endlessly looking at the girls, and teasing them. But that is just friendly advice, you can take it to heart or not.
SE Asia Joe
12-04-09, 13:43
I'll be the guide, and WebConnect and OWL can be the bodyguards!
Of course, we will need to get Wadman to drive the getaway car 'cause I can't remember shit, won't know where we are or where the fuck we are going.
Reminder note: Don't forget the beer, the pot, the mace, the automatic what's it called, condoms, etc.
Anybody in Hollywood interested? :D
No wucking furries, problem solved!
ROFLMAO!!
I can just see this posse out in the middle badland!!
A guy in a li'l red suit and tattered hat leading the pack muttering where's the pussy, where's the pussy, followed by Alfred E. Neuman wearing coke bottle glasses, throwing kung fu kicks at one and all and backed up by a li'l pudgy ABF with his maze, his "PRO" cameras, automatic whatchamacallit jangling from his belt.
All with 60 bucks in between them to partake of the flesh of the land!!!
Take a picture, take a picture whoooo whooo!!
Ho Ho Ho!! Merry christmas!! Merry Christmas!!
And ole Wadman, shaking his head, shaking his head in his li'l car, cussing "What went wrong? What went wrong??!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS GUYS!!
SEAJ
I'll be the guide....
Of course, we will need to get Wadman to drive the getaway car 'cause I can't remember shit, won't know where we are or where the fuck we are going.
Hmm.... some kind of guide....
May I nominate you for a different part? We will make you do the one thing you never forget. Your job is to ask the girls: Chui Bu Chui? (Blow or not?)
Web Connect
12-05-09, 04:16
If you are staying at one of the
Changping Hotels (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=958860&postcount=2073) I recommended.
Miraton Hotel (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=125885)
Hui Hau Hotel (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=125886)
New Century Hotel (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=125887)
If it easier to take a taxi to the Swan Lake hotel and start from there. Should cost 7 RMB - 10 RMB. Walking from from those hotels took me 40 - 50 mins.
Is is possible to walk in from the Y -Hotel but for this report we will start from the Swan Lake hotel. If you are staying at The Clipper Hotel walk out of the lobby and make a left until you are in front of the Swan Lake Hotel.
Swan Lake (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126232)
Clipper Hotel (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126233)
Directly across from the Swan Lake hotel is a long alley. The runners will be right at the beginning of the alley and show you the way.
At almost at the end on the left is a BBS, also if you go to the end of the alley and make a left and then another quick left there is a BBS up on the 2nd floor. So pretty much these Swan Lake BBS are on top of each other. I visted from 3:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. and the cost was 100 RMB to the BBS and 100 RMB to the girl after the dead is done.
Attached is are maps of the area and a picture of the long alley you will have to walk down.
During the day from 3:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. I also visited the JunHui Hotel ( attached map and directions ) From the Swan Lake or Clipper Hotel you make a right and then make another left at the Manahhatan Hotel The cost was 100 RMB to the BBS and 100 RMB to the girl after the dead is done. (YMMV).
It seemed to me at JunHui Hotel, it was the same girls who worked at the KTV but are avaliable for take out before they start work. So it is possible the same girls some of these guys are paying 200 RMB to only sit with them, you can be banging their shoes off for the same amount.
I brought all the girls back to my hotel room for a ST. If you are in this area make sure you mention the name and tell them you are a friend of SE Asia Joe, you will get some funny reactions.
I don't speak a word of Chinese, I did not have a guide. I did not feel in danger.
I am a newbie in Changping so if any more experienced mongers would like to add to this please do. Please do NOT post any scare stories. Save that for you Mommy.
Please just post directions and facts.
Web Connect
12-05-09, 04:21
Hey Webbie - careful there... sticks and stones and.... these are the kind of posts which re-confirms "Serial Antagonists" on ISG and will get you thrown out.
And I'm having so much fun reading your ....errrrr...."reports." LOL!!
So Pot, careful there Pot
Regards
KettleI an honored that you would take the time and go back and read all my posts. I am sorry I did'nt waste my time to read all of yours.
To be honest I was just going to come here and make a few posts on Changping and leave, but knowing how much you enjoy my posts, I can continue if you want.
Hey folks, I think we have an adult Christmas movie sensation! With OWL doing his kungfu and Webbie smashing windows, it will be an international action packed smash hit.
Hey Jackson, do you have any Hollywood connections?
I can see the trailer now, with a drunken Santa yelling "chui bu chui", and dozens of screaming mommies and gangsters chasing Wadman's little getaway car going beep, beep, beep. :D
OldAsiaHand
12-05-09, 16:35
web connect,
i've just caught up on this thread and now have the benefit of reading your posts pre-visit, on the ground, and post-visit. i have come to certain conclusions.
as is typical, the posts before your visit were requests for information. it looked like you had rtff to a certain extent and the tone was very polite. most senior members responded in a positive way providing you with information from their experience and perspectives.
with the information from this thread and these senior members in hand, you arrived when things were relatively normal, were successful at finding the bbs girls and got laid very easily. other than the one altercation with the bbs girl you returned to the mama (btw, you never answered my questions about the details of you first encounter with her), you went away unrep001hed. because of this, you suddenly became the expert on all things cp and started to attack the senior members of this forum who have much more on the ground experience and contributions to this thread than yourself; accusing them of misleading other members and even extortion. these are the same people that tried to help you before you arrived with only the best of intentions. imho, "biting the hand that fed you" so to speak.
now that you have left, your posts are less provoking in nature, however, they still seem to have that "cocky" tone like you are all-knowing, fearless, and untouchable, after only a few days in cp.
imho, you were lucky that you did not get yourself in more trouble in cp with your attitude. i don't want to other newbies to let down their guard with a false sense of security from what you have posted. yes, cp is safe most of the time but that does not mean you should not be vigalant. i know the members that posted their experiences personally and have heard of so many more cases of violence and scams in cp than i can count.
it is far better to keep a low profile, watch your back and not monger alone there.
just my pov.
oah
p.s. i am curious where you got the information that 15 rmb bjs are available in the catacombs. nearly every girl i asked there flatly refused bj at all. it is usually just lay down, spread her legs, stick it in and finish.
p.s.s. good luck with the candid photography in the catacombs. you are really pushing your luck. there are "minders" all through the area keeping things in order. please let us know if you get away with it.
Bob Builder
12-05-09, 16:47
You are correct. I felt completely safe during your stay.
I suggested it to him.
Well now there are more people with GPS devices and some phones even have apps. So maybe we should start using them as suggested by Bob Builder. I think it is a good idea.
There are still some people interested in the Catacombs. Not every one is a BSD!. Some people just like it sleazy. Why should you care what other people like?
I was being sarcastic.
Web Connect
12-05-09, 18:09
Web Connect,
I've just caught up on this thread and now have the benefit of reading your posts pre-visit, on the ground, and post-visit.If I don't agree with a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
If I have a different experience than a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
If I have different information than a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
(BTW, you never answered my questions about the details of you first encounter with her)I thought I answered all your questions in this thread. (http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php? P=959281&postcount=2113)
P.S. I am curious where you got the information that 15 RMB BJs are available in the catacombs.From this post.
Oh, if anyone have any problems with these girls like only giving you a BJ, it ok just to pay her 15 RMB or even less.
P.S. S. Good luck with the candid photography in the catacombs.Thanks. Maybe I should just go to Macao.
I am not sure how old you are. But just so you know. Technology is so amazing these days, they now make super small cameras and DVRs.
Web Connect
12-05-09, 18:13
I was being sarcastic.But it is a REALLY great suggestion using GPS coordinates.
Could make finding a location so much easier.
Playboy2000
12-05-09, 19:25
I've stayed at Miration, Hua Hui, and Clipper, and have generally been very satisfied with them. For those of you who have not been to CP, these hotels are Hilton/Marriott quality. The prices are very reasonably (especially the Clipper at under 300RMB).
But there are some things I don't like at all three hotels (and perhaps all hotels in China). First, I do not like comforters. It is too hot with them on, and too cold (with the AC on) with them off. I'd much prefer having layers of blankets, which I could adjust as a function of the temperature. Does anyone else have the same sentiment?
Second, I do not like the lighting in these rooms, particularly at night. I can never get the rooms bright enough for my taste, and I do not like lamp shades which gives everything a redish hue. Are there any hotels in CP with better lighting?
web connect,
i've just caught up on this thread and now have the benefit of reading your posts pre-visit, on the ground, and post-visit. i have come to certain conclusions.
as is typical, the posts before your visit were requests for information. it looked like you had rtff to a certain extent and the tone was very polite. most senior members responded in a positive way providing you with information from their experience and perspectives.
with the information from this thread and these senior members in hand, you arrived when things were relatively normal, were successful at finding the bbs girls and got laid very easily. other than the one altercation with the bbs girl you returned to the mama (btw, you never answered my questions about the details of you first encounter with her), you went away unrep001hed. because of this, you suddenly became the expert on all things cp and started to attack the senior members of this forum who have much more on the ground experience and contributions to this thread than yourself; accusing them of misleading other members and even extortion. these are the same people that tried to help you before you arrived with only the best of intentions. imho, "biting the hand that fed you" so to speak.
now that you have left, your posts are less provoking in nature, however, they still seem to have that "cocky" tone like you are all-knowing, fearless, and untouchable, after only a few days in cp.
imho, you were lucky that you did not get yourself in more trouble in cp with your attitude. i don't want to other newbies to let down their guard with a false sense of security from what you have posted. yes, cp is safe most of the time but that does not mean you should not be vigalant. i know the members that posted their experiences personally and have heard of so many more cases of violence and scams in cp than i can count.
it is far better to keep a low profile, watch your back and not monger alone there.
just my pov.
oah
p.s. i am curious where you got the information that 15 rmb bjs are available in the catacombs. nearly every girl i asked there flatly refused bj at all. it is usually just lay down, spread her legs, stick it in and finish.
p.s.s. good luck with the candid photography in the catacombs. you are really pushing your luck. there are "minders" all through the area keeping things in order. please let us know if you get away with it.
i agree with you 99.9%. webbie did his homework. he got majority of his information from reading the board (rtff) and exchanging pm with a few members for help. for doing his homework, i would give him an "a" for a newbie to cp but a "u" for citizenship. he knew what to look for, what not to look for and what to expect before arriving to cp. on the other hand, he has been to china, and hk before so he has some experiences. he was lucky he came to cp after several raids and strong le presents to clean out some of the criminal elements.
imho, i am sure if he got into any serious problem he would have called other members for help.
i would love see some candid late night pictures of the catacombs too, maybe a few hundred. he has a fetish for sleaziness 3rd world conditions. the cheap low end, extremely high risk of std, not most hegenic clean environment, on a straw mat or cardboard, it is not the most romantic places or conditions to make love. it's ok but like moody said, it's a little weird. it is strange, especially from someone who can afford to stay at high end hotels and can afford to travel around the world. i think you even first rejected one hotel for another because the other was better.
edit: an "u" is unsatisfactory
Racetrack,
Personally, I like the Swan Lake Hotel, New wing side. The rooms have halogen lights which I like. I feel that halogen lighting, especially the recessed halogen lighting makes the environment nice and cozy. There's also a sofit lighting, which uses those rope lights, but it gives a good feel to the room. I use to like Hui Mei a lot a few years back, especially the room that has a huge mirror to the left side of the bed, so you can see you and the girl make love in the entirety. But sometimes when i sleep at night alone and i look to my left hand side and see myself in the mirror, it freaks me out a bit. So i stopped staying in those rooms.
But Swan Lake, still my favorite pick.
AsnDragon
I've stayed at Miration, Hua Hui, and Clipper, and have generally been very satisfied with them. For those of you who have not been to CP, these hotels are Hilton/Marriott quality. The prices are very reasonably (especially the Clipper at under 300RMB).
But there are some things I don't like at all three hotels (and perhaps all hotels in China). First, I do not like comforters. It is too hot with them on, and too cold (with the AC on) with them off. I'd much prefer having layers of blankets, which I could adjust as a function of the temperature. Does anyone else have the same sentiment?
Second, I do not like the lighting in these rooms, particularly at night. I can never get the rooms bright enough for my taste, and I do not like lamp shades which gives everything a redish hue. Are there any hotels in CP with better lighting?
OldAsiaHand
12-06-09, 10:15
If I don't agree with a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
If I have a different experience than a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
If I have different information than a "senior" member does that mean I shouldn't post?
Web Connect,
I have always been a strong advocate that everybody has the right to his opinion on this forum. If you notice, I close nearly every one of my posts with "Just my POV".
You are fully entitled to post your opinions, experiences and information. IMHO, it was the manner in which you approached it in your posts. Many were expressed as direct attacks and accusations without any concrete data to support the arguments.
For example,
If you were not in CP during the time of the crackdowns were posted about, how can you say there were never any crackdowns? I have seen with my own eyes crackdowns all over South China recently.
If you never met Dave or tried his services, how could you determine that he was a con man and extortionist? He has received a lot of praise and support from other members that have used his services, including myself.
Just because you were not victim to any violence, scams or petty crime, how can you generalize that CP is totally safe? I know people who have been a victim of all of the above, including myself.
If you have never visited the catacombs, how are you so sure that you can take photos there without incident? I saw a guy running through the place, bleeding profusely from the head and being chased by a guy with a brick in his hand. Do you think he was taking pictures or did something else unacceptable to the powers that be there?
The above are just a few examples to illustrate my point.
Just my POV.
OAH
Pointpanic
12-06-09, 12:41
OAH,
I am amazed at your patience in dealing with our new Webbie friend who seems to be trying so hard to be respected here. I agree that if he quite trying so hard to be "a know it all" and take that "chip off of his shoulder," he might gain much more respect than his attempts to prove to us that he knows more than the veterans after his one visit to CP. For example, it just cracks me up that he keeps misspelling HH after so many posts.
On another not so funny note, I am not sure he is helping the cause by posting GPS co-ordinates and Google Earth photos pin pointing our favorite BBS's so that the LE that monitor our pages can go straight in and close them down.
I too agree that he "could be" much better accepted if he would just back off a little. You are so correct as usual Old Wise One.
PS: I still remember Bill Lee telling me the brick story as he and I cruised the Catacombs and being caught in the middle of a huge ruckus which we barely escaped from in broad daylight.
Web Connect,
I have always been a strong advocate that everybody has the right to his opinion on this forum. If you notice, I close nearly every one of my posts with "Just my POV".
You are fully entitled to post your opinions, experiences and information. IMHO, ............
The above are just a few examples to illustrate my point.
Just my POV.
OAH
Web Connect
12-06-09, 15:04
Web Connect,
The above are just a few examples to illustrate my point.Ok Ok.
Well with out having to go back and knit pick posts. Some of the members posted. " Contact so and so. So he can show you around ". That is concrete data to support the argument of having to hire a guide.
Some people think if you don't speak or read Chinese, never been to CP, it is almost impossible to get laid and have fun with out a guide. Or if you are a newbie in CP you are in danger.
From what I read on this site. I thought I was there in the middle of a crackdown. If that was the case I would love to come back when there is not a crack down going on because I thought it was great.
Why do you think covert photography is so hard. Cameras are getting smaller and smaller and the quality keeps getting better and better. I have shot in a lot of places which people consider risky. I have been shooting voyeur content for 20 years.
I try to post some good advice and some members who think they are "a know it all", posts back trying to make a mockery of it.
Just my POV.
Web Connect
12-06-09, 15:08
On another not so funny note, I am not sure he is helping the cause by posting GPS co-ordinates and Google Earth photos pin pointing our favorite BBS's so that the LE that monitor our pages can go straight in and close them down.Are you really that nieve to think that the LE does'nt know the exact locations of all these places!
I would even guess the LE go there to get some "freebies".
I am helping newbies be able to find the places with ease. How else can they find them? Hire a guide?
Web Connect
12-06-09, 15:24
But there are some things I don't like at all three hotels (and perhaps all hotels in China). First, I do not like comforters. It is too hot with them on, and too cold (with the AC on) with them off. I'd much prefer having layers of blankets, which I could adjust as a function of the temperature. Does anyone else have the same sentiment?
Second, I do not like the lighting in these rooms, particularly at night. I can never get the rooms bright enough for my taste, and I do not like lamp shades which gives everything a redish hue. Are there any hotels in CP with better lighting?I thought the comforter and sheet thread count were the most comfortable at the Miraton, The Miraton's rooms interior design was also the most appealing, but you are right there was'nt enough light to work on my computer at night.
The height of the desk was too low at Miraton for me to sit comfortable at the desk, so I thought the working environment was best at the Hua Hui.
It seemed that the heat did'nt work at the New Century but I did like their eastern view and it was nice how the sun shown in though the windows in the morning and during the day. I also liked there was a service entrance in the back of the New Century and some girls available standing at the guards shack. Also under 300 RMB a night.
I would like to come back to enjoy the pool facilities at the Hua Hui and Miraton when the weather is warmer.
Web Connect
12-06-09, 15:41
IMHO, I am sure if he got into any serious problem he would have called other members for help.
It is strange, especially from someone who can afford to stay at high end hotels and can afford to travel around the world. I think you even first reject one hotel for another because the other was better.You are wrong, I would NOT of called any ISG members for help if I had a problem. I would of called the manager of the hotel I was staying at. When I check in to a hotel the first thing I do is meet with the manager. I get their business card, cell phone number and introduce myself. I also lock my passport, most of my money, and anything else I think is important in the managers lock box. I am the only one who can sign for the key and I also put my own lock on the box. All my credit cards are expired so in case of emergency a new one can be fed exed to me. I bring enough cash for my entire trip and only carry what I need for the day/night.
I stayed at 4 different hotels because I wanted to see the quality of each, so I could give an honest opinion and recommend them based on my own experience.
Choosing a hotel for me is based on the service ( for example having the private cell phone number to contact the manager ). Security is also important for my camera equipment and computer.
Yeah I like it sleazy... some people may thing it is weird.. but I have paid stupid amounts to bang famous porn stars in the past and still may in the future. So I like it all.
Bob Builder
12-06-09, 17:32
OAH,
I am amazed at your patience in dealing with our new Webbie friend who seems to be trying so hard to be respected here. I agree that if he quite trying so hard to be "a know it all" and take that "chip off of his shoulder," he might gain much more respect than his attempts to prove to us that he knows more than the veterans after his one visit to CP. For example, it just cracks me up that he keeps misspelling HH after so many posts.
On another not so funny note, I am not sure he is helping the cause by posting GPS co-ordinates and Google Earth photos pin pointing our favorite BBS's so that the LE that monitor our pages can go straight in and close them down.
I too agree that he "could be" much better accepted if he would just back off a little. You are so correct as usual Old Wise One.
PS: I still remember Bill Lee telling me the brick story as he and I cruised the Catacombs and being caught in the middle of a huge ruckus which we barely escaped from in broad daylight.
If you are so worried about GPS coordinates and Google maps why are you not worried about using a proxy website in China that is possiblely set up by the LE here and and track you to the computer you are posting on?
One Eyed Man
12-07-09, 03:52
When I check in to a hotel the first thing I do is meet with the manager. I get their business card, cell phone number and introduce myself.
Why do you think that you are so important that the hotel manager should be at your beck and call? I would never do this. Besides, why would a CP hotel manager care? Are you going to spend enough money in his hotel to distinguish yourself from the other guests? I don't see how you can.
Yes. I really want to go there. I want to be able experience it myself.
There are a lot of guys who would like a 30 RMB fuck once in a while. It does'nt make them a bad person. They come from every walk of life and every tax bracket. A 30 RMB fuck is not only for the lower tax bracket people, it is for everyone. People like to experience different things.
Can you please give the directions to these parks you speak of. A map and landmarks would be very helpful.
So Webbie you want to join the group / club ? I have some picture of a girl that SE Joe and One Wing Low have done for their initiations. She is still there. Fantastic BJ with no teeth, all glum from their reports. Just close your eyes.
Follow the link and to the 3 attachments.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=916114&postcount=1150
Member #4515
12-07-09, 07:51
There are some robbery happen in Cp due to take the fake yellow taxi. Just remind folks to look out the start Letter with 粵P (kangtung P) taxi.
But of course Web Connect Please Please don't reply this message, I am not joking.
Hey Moody - Like I said previously - ALL the hotels in China are 5 stars.
All you have to do to confirm this is to look outside at the Flag pole and you will see the 5 yellow stars on the red flag.
SEAJ
Actually The Clipper has 4 starts on their card under the sailboat. .. And Moody is 100% correct - China hotels get a +1 on their ratiing. Huihua is a 4 star (so is crown prince for that matter. the rooms suck, only the facilities are nice). New Eurasia is 368 (only 5 rooms!) or 515 for next business level rooms. sorry didn't try it.
Web Connect
12-07-09, 10:29
Why do you think that you are so important that the hotel manager should be at your beck and call? I would never do this. Besides, why would a CP hotel manager care? Are you going to spend enough money in his hotel to distinguish yourself from the other guests? I don't see how you can.I guess that is what helps a hotel earn more stars, It is based on service. Some hotels when you check in the manager or assistant manager will introduce themselves and give you their card and cell phone number. Well that is at least the experience I have had when staying at 5 star properties in different parts of the world.
I was just telling you what I do. You can do what ever you want. Are just going to put all your valuables in the room safe... that may not even bolted down. Why not use the managers safe ? It is more secure and free.
5 stars hotels treat ALL their guests as distinguished.
I spent a lot of time speaking with the front desk employees who seem very happy to practice their English. They where more than happy to point out places on my maps and write down directions and words in Chinese.
Bob Builder
12-07-09, 12:09
You are wrong, I would NOT of called any ISG members for help if I had a problem. I would of called the manager of the hotel I was staying at. When I check in to a hotel the first thing I do is meet with the manager. I get their business card, cell phone number and introduce myself. I also lock my passport, most of my money, and anything else I think is important in the managers lock box. I am the only one who can sign for the key and I also put my own lock on the box. All my credit cards are expired so in case of emergency a new one can be fed exed to me. I bring enough cash for my entire trip and only carry what I need for the day/night.
I stayed at 4 different hotels because I wanted to see the quality of each, so I could give an honest opinion and recommend them based on my own experience.
Choosing a hotel for me is based on the service ( for example having the private cell phone number to contact the manager ). Security is also important for my camera equipment and computer.
Yeah I like it sleazy... some people may thing it is weird.. but I have paid stupid amounts to bang famous porn stars in the past and still may in the future. So I like it all.
And despite all your bravado, you take all these precautions because there is a likelihood that something COULD happen that you did not plan on and what everyone here is saying be careful, NOT SCARED of.
Fecking Pussy!
Actually The Clipper has 4 starts on their card under the sailboat. .. And Moody is 100% correct - China hotels get a +1 on their ratiing. Huihua is a 4 star (so is crown prince for that matter. the rooms suck, only the facilities are nice). New Eurasia is 368 (only 5 rooms!) or 515 for next business level rooms. sorry didn't try it.Freepeaks,
You are the person I drink with in Fu Haw KTV last Wenesday, right?
Old Mean Dog
12-07-09, 14:59
Hi,
Is this the website for finding Youth Hostels in China?
I am a noob here, can someone explain to me how an old geezer can get laid in China?
I am thinking of a pit stop in CP this week (a few days from Wednesday night on). Could someone tell me where the "night market" is located. Could be handy since I'll be ariving at 9pm.
Sorry if I have missed this info in the 165 pages of posts on this thread (trying to skip the ocasionnal the bickering between members, cool dudes!)
Finally, I'd be happy to join if there is any group forming for a run or a KTV.
Cheers
(non Chinese speaking) Bin Bin
SE Asia Joe
12-07-09, 17:07
Is now open - but just!! Somebody showed me around to all the rooms but there was only 20 odd that was being used, with the 50 odd rest of them still not yet ready at all. Things like even the lobby main door handle - through which the KTV is now entered from, is still missing although the rest of the enlarged lobby looks pretty good.
And there is NO conveyor belt for the gals to stand on and for the punters to look at - just two regular large central areas - one on each floor - where they are going to have a regular Flower street. Right now they've only got a 100 plus gals working but the guy told me that they hope to get 600 odd when it's totally open, and the gals will all be only 2-5-8 as they have a bit of hard time recruiting suitable gals for the higher price right now - according to him.
Minimum charges are RMB588 for the small room, 888 for the mid sized ones and 1088 for the large room. The small rooms are actually quite large and all the rooms will have a minimum of 2 flat screens - one for the KTV and a smaller 32" one for regular Television if the customer wants to watch. The place seems quite plush with lots of mirrors, chrome etc and it should be quite a nice place when everything is ship-shape
SEAJ
My Cantonese colleagues took me to Dongguan. The first place we went to was chaos. The girls said the water was out, but later we learned that they were tipped off about a police raid. This place was way back from the highway about 5 miles and was not a hotel. We then went to the Grand View Hotel which sas right of the highway from Guangzhou to Shenzen. The lineup came in the room, all dressed in identical black lingerie and all looked similar and were similar in height about 5'3". I chose one at random. She took me in the shower for the wash up. She scrubbed my pekker with toothpaste, yep, toothpaste, alomst took the skin off; this was a first time for me after many visits to China and Thai bathhouses. Standard, BBBJ, and fire and ice, followed by a long AR session. I then did her in multiple positions. I did not engage in DATY and no kissing. No English. Glad I brought my own trojans. I did not pay, but heard it was about 700 yuan for the session, about 90 minutes.
Is now open. But just! Somebody showed me around to all the rooms but there was only 20 odd that was being used, with the 50 odd rest of them still not yet ready at all. Things like even the lobby main door handle. Through which the KTV is now entered from, is still missing although the rest of the enlarged lobby looks pretty good.
And there is NO conveyor belt for the gals to stand on and for the punters to look at. Just two regular large central areas. One on each floor. Where they are going to have a regular Flower street. Right now they've only got a 100 plus gals working but the guy told me that they hope to get 600 odd when it's totally open, and the gals will all be only 2-5-8 as they have a bit of hard time recruiting suitable gals for the higher price right now. According to him.
Minimum charges are RMB588 for the small room, 888 for the mid sized ones and 1088 for the large room. The small rooms are actually quite large and all the rooms will have a minimum of 2 flat screens. One for the KTV and a smaller 32" one for regular Television if the customer wants to watch. The place seems quite plush with lots of mirrors, chrome etc and it should be quite a nice place when everything is ship-shape
SEAJInterior aside, the ladies are just not that impressive. We went the Grand Opening (or trial opening?) night. Have hard time find good quality girls. Also I ran across a lot of them that do not go out (means only drink with you). So make sure you ask before you pick them.
Pointpanic
12-08-09, 00:49
CPExpat,
Holy SH*T. Welcome back! How's your wingman? Haven't heard from you in a long while inspite of the fact that Joe and OAH mention you on occasion. Assume you know of the demise of Bill. RIP. Still in SZ or are you back in CP? Still remember fondly our trp to the Canton Fair.
Point
Hi,
Is this the website for finding Youth Hostels in China?
I am a noob here, can someone explain to me how an old geezer can get laid in China?
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 02:29
I am thinking of a pit stop in CP this week (a few days from Wednesday night on). Could someone tell me where the "night market" is located. Could be handy since I'll be ariving at 9pm.
Sorry if I have missed this info in the 165 pages of posts on this thread (trying to skip the ocasionnal the bickering between members, cool dudes!)
Finally, I'd be happy to join if there is any group forming for a run or a KTV.
Cheers
(non Chinese speaking) Bin Bin
When will I ever learn!! OK, let's give this a try.
1. DongXing San (#3) Jie, off Dongxing Lu in front of the Changping Hospital sign.
2. I would suggest that you read this excellent report by Sammy T.
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=932174
Let's see if this one's also gonna come back and bite my ass.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 02:43
Hi,
Is this the website for finding Youth Hostels in China?
I am a noob here, can someone explain to me how an old geezer can get laid in China?
You mean those hostels where all the gals give it up for free to anybody who speaks Engrisee??
SEAJ
Ps. And yes - Welcome back - where the hell have you been? Holed up in a bunker in Afghanistan or ???
One Eyed Man
12-08-09, 06:05
Hey Moody - Like I said previously - ALL the hotels in China are 5 stars.
All you have to do to confirm this is to look outside at the Flag pole and you will see the 5 yellow stars on the red flag.
SEAJ
SEAJ, I'm not sure anyone else got your joke....
I thought that for the most part, the number of stars is defined by a fixed formula. For example, to be a four-star you have to have a phone in the bathroom.
Clearly there seems to be some kind of star inflation in China. How can the Clipper be a four-star hotel is they don't have a concierge? Web Connect, clearly the level of service defines the rating, but I just haven't seen any evidence that the hotels in CP provide or even want to provide this level of service. Some of the girls at the front desk at the Clipper speak such good English that they can say "bye bye (bai bai)" when they see me leave, though.
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 06:44
SEAJ, I'm not sure anyone else got your joke....
I thought that for the most part, the number of stars is defined by a fixed formula. For example, to be a four-star you have to have a phone in the bathroom.
Clearly there seems to be some kind of star inflation in China. How can the Clipper be a four-star hotel is they don't have a concierge? Web Connect, clearly the level of service defines the rating, but I just haven't seen any evidence that the hotels in CP provide or even want to provide this level of service. Some of the girls at the front desk at the Clipper speak such good English that they can say "bye bye (bai bai)" when they see me leave, though.
Yes, of course there is "Star" inflation going on in China - especially since such ratings can and are being influenced by things other than the real state/facilities of the hotel.... if you know what I mean!!
On the other hand, I opine that just about all the hotels in China (except those run by Western Chains) are really good value for the money; I don't think that you can find any cheaper hotels anywhere in the world for what you get (I'm probably wrong to state "in the world"- but that's just from what I get from my own sampling of various hotels in a lot of places).
The reason is that a lot of these hotels are run NOT to make money from the hotel operations per se, but from the Sauna, KTV, footsies etc that is found in these hotels - as guests are more likely to not bother with going anywhere else than their own hotels to get their "entertainment." Especially newbies.
And just like mongering in China - I hope that the way hotels are in China remains unchanged forever!!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 06:51
Interior aside, the ladies are just not that impressive. We went the Grand Opening (or trial opening?) night. Have hard time find good quality girls. Also I ran across a lot of them that do not go out (means only drink with you). So make sure you ask before you pick them.
Yes - DITTO. I went for my tour around at approx 9 pm and I saw a few of the gals hanging around outside the KTV rooms - and I have to agree that what I saw was definitely not impressive at all.
BTW - I don't know if this is going to stay the same or not when they've got the place fully operational - but I have to say that the outside areas, including the Flower Street areas has got to be the best lit of any KTV's I've gone to. And I mean it was practically klieg light bright in all areas outside of the actual KTV rooms - and thus perhaps why the gals didn't seem all that good looking. But it's probably only because it is still not fully open yet and there is still a lot of workers scurrying around readying the place up.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 06:59
Went up a few times to the Jun Hui at various times and each time, there were not that many gals at all - just a few new faces and a lot of the old ones hanging around.
They've also had a desk outside of the place past couple days advertising for staff to join. I think that the competition in CP is heating up and they're really losing a lot of their gals/not able to recruit good ones fast enough.
BTW - ST rooms at the Jun Hui is still only RMB 50 whilst overnight it can be as low as RMB 108 for quite a large albeit quite sparsely furnished, basic room. (RMB 30 weekend surcharge). It's probably a good choice if you just want a place to crash/do your thing cheaply.
And NO - - before I get Web Conned again - I and nobody else is making anything out of this info. OK?!
Jeez the things I have to think about before writing here now!
IMHO/Just my P.O.V./without prejudice.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 07:25
First of all, thank you all for your excellent reports. .!
Great report - nice to read good reports without all the bickering.... and my apologies to you as well as to everyone else about all the diatribe that had been on this thread for too damn many times.
Thanks
SEAJ
Web Connect
12-08-09, 18:29
She took me in the shower for the wash up. She scrubbed my pekker with toothpaste, yep, toothpaste.This is done to check if you have any STD's especially HPV.
Toothpaste contains Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). An STD will foam or turn white because blood and cells contain an enzyme called catalase. Since a STD contains both blood and damaged cells, there is lots of catalase floating around.
When the catalase comes in contact with the hydrogen peroxide in the toothpaste, it turns the hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) into water (H2O) and oxygen gas (O2).
Web Connect
12-08-09, 18:38
I heard a lot about Clipper and Swan Lake, but do not know how to get there. If anyone knows the Chinese name of these places or has a business card, can you please post it or send it to me.Clipper Business Card and Map (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126233)
Swan Lake Business Card and Map (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126232)
SE Asia Joe
12-08-09, 19:29
bower boy wrote on the shenzhen board that he is thinking of not coming up to cp and instead just go to shenzhen as dave is not around.
well..... since everybody here knows that i am dave's biggest fan and fyi - dave is back in cp dec 9 afternoon and he should be back up to speed pretty soon. so if you're thinking of going up to cp - get a hold of him.
i've been in cp past three nights and even for me, things ain't really all the same. (i was also up here for 3 nights last week). ok, yeah i wasn't pining away for female company the whole time and in fact had provided for myself very ok thank you very much - but it's the camarederie with other guys that dave's so good at arranging that i've been missing. i mean, there's only so much screwing and footsies and meals and movies and... one can go to with one gal or another - but a guy just needs another guy once a while even if to just shoot the breeze as a break, don't he?!
luckily wilde got a hold of me and we had a blast tonight.... a cheap blast by the way. we went to the bbs and i negotiated rmb170 for each of our gals i/o 200, took 'em for dinner for a bit over a hundred bucks, then took them to the veggie dragon ktv across from the rainbow shopping mall. total bill for the ktv? rmb 125 for the beer and snacks we bought, rmb 61 for the ktv 2 hours and wilde bought a membership card for rmb 68 which was why the ktv was bill so tiny!! cheap enough guys?? **disclaimer** but of course we did not have any dj's or all them fruit platters or hot towels or hot mommies etc etc. and please note that it was a weekday night and that we only stayed a couple hours - just enough to get nice and high and ready to molest our gals!!!
and webbie - no i do not make any commissions anywhere and no i don't have any financial stake in any of the establishments. ok???!!! forcrissakes!!
seaj
300/400/500 level girls. Brought them in the room in groups of 20 at a time for each level. I choose one from the 400rmb group.
Wow! This must be a new thing, 20 girls at a time! How big was your group at the HuiHua, or was it just you?
The room was for 2 hours. Service was okay. I was expecting better. Two shots, which was good. Something that is not always available in beijing and shanghai nor in Guangzhou. I was really expecting more but I guess it must have been the girl I pick.
2 shots is standard for saunas like HuiHua, Virgin, etc.
Care to elaborate why HuiHua was not quite up to your expectations? I am not trying to be facetious, just wanna know. What did the girl do (or not do)?
I heard a lot about Clipper and Swan Lake, but do not know how to get there. If anyone knows the Chinese name of these places or has a business card, can you please post it or send it to me.
Clipper Hotel = 帆船酒店 = Fan1 Chuan2 Jiu3 Dian4
Swanlake hotel = 天鹅湖酒店 = Tian1 E2 Hu2 Jiu3 Dian4
Reports have it that Clipper sauna is closed for now, and Swanlake sauna has been relocated. But maybe that was just during the crackdown period (especially Swanlake sauna).
If anyone can recommend good places outside CP, closer towards Guangzhou, it would be great. I have a car so I could drive there.
I have driven through Foshan a few times, and always gotten the impression that it must have a fair amount of P4P. Never had the time to explore properly. Don't have the motivation to do so myself as Foshan is too far for me to go regularly. Even if I find some good places there, what's the point? But if you are looking for an area close to Guangzhou to explore, that would be my recommendation.
Web Connect
12-09-09, 04:08
I mean, there's only so much screwing and footsies and meals and movies and. One can go to with one gal or another.. But a guy just needs another guy once a while even if to just shoot the breeze as a break, don't he?!
And Webbie. No I do not make any commissions anywhere and NO I don't have any financial stake in any of the establishments. OK?! ForCrissakes!
SEAJSince you mentioned my nick I guess you expect me to comment.
I find mongering much more enjoyable alone. I do a lot of walking and take my time when shopping for that special girl. It could take hours, for me that is part of the fun.
I disagree on screwing part. It is never enough. (IMHO), the footies I would rather have no TV playing so I can go into deep meditation. I enjoy the buffets at the hotels so dining alone is never a problem. I am not the type to talk during a movie so I enjoy watching solo.
I shoot the breeze on the internet, so I guess I am one of those who does'nt need another guy to cuddle up to spoon with.
I could careless if you did have a financial stake in any of the establishments. So there is no need to justify yourself.
Web Connect
12-09-09, 04:10
1. DongXing San (#3) Jie, off Dongxing Lu in front of the Changping Hospital sign.
Do you mind giving the newbies the address in Chinese and if possible the GPS coordinates.
Thanks in advance.
If anyone can recommend good places outside CP, closer towards Guangzhou, it would be great. I have a car so I could drive there.
Panyu used to be great for SWs when I used to live there about 4 years ago. There were a couple of KTVs there as well. You would have to ask someone else about what it is like now, although you could probably just drive there yourself to check it out (Panyu Shiqiao)
Asian Prince 87
12-09-09, 07:02
This is done to check if you have any STD's especially HPV.
Toothpaste contains Hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). An STD will foam or turn white because blood and cells contain an enzyme called catalase. Since a STD contains both blood and damaged cells, there is lots of catalase floating around.
When the catalase comes in contact with the hydrogen peroxide in the toothpaste, it turns the hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) into water (H2O) and oxygen gas (O2).Wow, this is am amazing piece of information. Wonder how a WG would know this. Hell, how did you find out about this?
RCA Knight
12-09-09, 08:10
Just spent 3 nights here after my worst night in Zhuhai history. Saunas and bbs are open in CP, but the number of barber shops at the Hui Mei and Yalan alleys seem decreased.
Stayed at Virgin this trip, walked around for 2 afternoons and only get pulled into the same 3 shops in the back alley of Hui Mei and one inside Jia Mei, and number and quality of girls not as good as my last trip 2 years back. For 2 days had to settled for a few minor league babes mostly without much service. But 150-200 cheap fun, can't ask too much.
Member #4515
12-09-09, 12:21
Luckily Wilde got a hold of me and we had a blast tonight. A cheap blast by the way. We went to the BBS and I negotiated RMB170 for each of our gals I/o 200, took 'them for dinner for a bit over a hundred bucks, then took them to the veggie Dragon KTV across from the Rainbow shopping mall. Total bill for the KTV? RMB 125 for the beer and snacks we bought, RMB 61 for the KTV 2 hours and Wilde bought a membership card for RMB 68 which was why the KTV was bill so tiny! Cheap enough guys? **disclaimer** But of course we did not have any DJ's or all them fruit platters or hot towels or hot mommies etc etc. And please note that it was a weekday night and that we only stayed a couple hours. Just enough to get nice and high and ready to molest our gals!
Wow how can you do that? Looks 170 for LT? Let me follow you next time haha!
Nightmarket is on:
东兴三街 = Dong1 Xing1 San1 Jie1
Coordinates according to Google Maps are 22.976708,113.996737
Do you mind giving the newbies the address in Chinese and if possible the GPS coordinates.
Thanks in advance.
EricTheRed
12-09-09, 15:08
Hello, all,
I was staying in Grand View Hotel (www.Grand-view-hotel. Com; googlemaps: 23.008730,113.617482) in Hongmei Town/Dongguan a couple of weeks ago.
With all the crackdown in CP, I did not want to travel to CP at all as it is also quite far away from that hotel.
However I found a nice sauna close to the Grand View Hotel (in walking distance) which is called Yulan sauna (googloemaps: 23. 013668, 113. 622084), which is in walking distance. See attached business cards of both the hotel and the sauna.
See also pictures of Yulan Sauna attached. You can not miss it, it is located at a big junction.
They even have people that speak english (phone number is listed on the business card).
The experience was great. The room pice for two hours was 70RMB.
There are different types of girls with different price ranges: 300, 400, 500 and 800 for two hrs.
Great experience.
I have also taken some pics of the girl I have choosen.
See attachment.
I really can recommend that location.
Also the hotel was quite nice (4 or 5 stars. Around 465 RMB per night including bf). Of course the also offer different types of massage at the hotel spa (including sexual massage) and you can also take a girl to your room.
Take care,
Ericthered
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Web Connect
12-09-09, 16:47
Coordinates according to Google Maps are 22.976708,113.996737Thanks a lot!
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 05:53
To try to attract biz, they're now running another promotion - For 3 guys (and ONLY for 3 guys!) they'll offer an all in price for a small KTV room, all the beer you want to drink, fruit platter and some cheap snacks PLUS an overnight room at their hotel for RMB 400. No extra charge for the DJ but of course the gal fee 2-4-7 is NOT included. Actually not a bad deal for the heavy drinkers who can just go up the elevator to their room at the end of the evening.
Their old RMB 500 promotion for 4 dozen beer in a small room for up to 5 guys is also still running, but you need to add the 200 DJ fee and of course gal fee.
They keep trying to run promotions and the punters are still not coming as they've got so many restrictions like limiting the 400 offer to ONLY 3 guys specifically etc ... and I suspect, probably some added charges at the end of the evening that their business is really bad these days. To the point that I see a lot of the gals abandoning them to go to the varied new and old competitors elsewhere. Let's see what the next installment is!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 06:25
Rwong - a long time and frequent visitor to Chang Ping/but unfortunately, very infrequent ISG poster (and thus the reason why I'm posting this up with appropriate apologies for posting something that I did not personally experience) - and I was just shooting the breeze and he told me a couple incidents in Chang Ping.
Last year, he took a gal from the Peninsula KTV to his room at the Hui Hua and before proceeding, he checked emails/sat down on his computer. His gal very nicely prepared coffee for him and he drank it down - and the next thing he knew, he was awake with his wallet, computer, telephones etc all gone. The gal had drugged him and the Hotel CCTV showed that she just calmly walked out of the hotel, loot in her large bag.
Gal at the KTV was wearing a "temporary" name tag and apparently that was her first night and the mommie didn't even know/check her out at all. Peninsula gave Rwong RMB 6,000 towards the cost of future visits to Peninsula KTV.
Second incident was on Swan Lake Street. His 3 friends were walking back to the Clipper at 3 a.m. and they were accosted and robbed by 5 knife wielding muggers - which they think are just little punks high and prowling around after a night out at Xinde. Cleaned them out but luckily it was only a few hundred from each of them. But it's amazing that these punks would actually rob 3 guys instead of targeting the lone guy that's out and about. Just goes to show that there may NOT be safety in numbers - not when confronted by muggers high on drugs etc
Be careful out there guys.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 07:04
Wow how can you do that? Looks 170 for LT? Let me follow you next time haha!
Nahhh 170 for ST and it would have been 470 if I had kept her overnight. The part I negotiated was the 100 that the momma usually gets, down to 70.
I still ended up giving my gal RMB 150 to total my bill to 220 as I normally give gals an extra 20/30 tip anyway - but this time, gave what I "took away" from the mommy and gave it back to the gal.
BTW, what do you guys think? About how some gal would either click with you or they don't? And even when they do "click" with you prior to the deed, that they may still end up as duds in bed?
Like the way I did click with my gal that evening whilst having dinner and KTV with her - but when I got her back and was actually doin' it with her, it just suddenly occurred to me that I really was NOT enjoying the session. And all it took was the fact that her skin wasn't really the best - a bit dark and with a few "farmer-like" blemishes - as she really WAS a farmer a couple or so weeks back!!
Or am I just being too damn picky and spoilt with all these nubile SYT's?
SEAJ
His gal very nicely prepared coffee for him and he drank it down - and the next thing he knew, he was awake with his wallet, computer, telephones etc all gone. The gal had drugged him and the Hotel CCTV showed that she just calmly walked out of the hotel, loot in her large bag.
I believe you but some people might not like Web Connect. He doesn't believe there are scams, or crime happening in China. It's kind of funny reading some of his precautions for staying in a hotel when he believe it's totally safe.
In some places, when a girl leaves your hotel, security will call you to check if it's OK for her to leave. This has happened to me a few times late at night usually after 12 midnight. The first time, I was totally surprised for a phone call at 1:30am and reluctantly pickup the phone. The girl just left 3 mins ago before the call. I didn't understand what was the guy trying to ask me because of my limited Mandarin but I heard the girl's voice and said it was OK.
But in CP, I have never gotten a late night call from security after a girl leaves my room.
EDIT: Yes, it is not practical in CP because of the number of girls running around.
Member #4515
12-10-09, 07:50
Nahhh 170 for ST and it would have been 470 if I had kept her overnight. The part I negotiated was the 100 that the momma usually gets, down to 70.
I still ended up giving my gal RMB 150 to total my bill to 220 as I normally give gals an extra 20/30 tip anyway - but this time, gave what I "took away" from the mommy and gave it back to the gal.
BTW, what do you guys think? About how some gal would either click with you or they don't? And even when they do "click" with you prior to the deed, that they may still end up as duds in bed?
Like the way I did click with my gal that evening whilst having dinner and KTV with her - but when I got her back and was actually doin' it with her, it just suddenly occurred to me that I really was NOT enjoying the session. And all it took was the fact that her skin wasn't really the best - a bit dark and with a few "farmer-like" blemishes - as she really WAS a farmer a couple or so weeks back!!
Or am I just being too damn picky and spoilt with all these nubile SYT's?
SEAJOk so you didn't keep her LT. You pay her 150 instead of 100 bcs you paid mommy 70 already. But the gal go dinner with you and go KTV together, it should be 3-4 hrs after you done your job. So I still think it is a good deal. Not many ST gal do that. I still want to go with you sometime haha!
Tamade4477
12-10-09, 08:52
While on route to CP from Guangzhou, the train stopped by a city/town called Shilong. (I think that's how its spelled)
Anyways, do anyone know much about that city, I looked up on the thread but didn't come up with much. Is there any spa/Sauna near that area.I was in Shilong a couple of years ago and I was taken to a naked KTV where the girls changed in to see through lingerie and got nude in the middle of the night. I stayed at the one of the better hotels in town and directly across from the hotel was a sauna that had some decent talent.
I'm sorry I can't provide any more information than that as I had to destroy all the evidence upon returning to the states (I live with my girl) but I wanted to let you know that there is action to be had.
Keep in mind I was with a supplier so he paid for just about everything so I am not sure about the costs. I know the KTV girls were 2-5-8 and I think I over heard the sauna MMS quote about 700 RMB for 90 mins.
in to spend a few days in cp. thanks all for the great reports in this thread. no, eaj, i'm not going to bite your ass, why would have i wanted to, btw? i'm most thankful and appreciative, to the contrary (sorry for the delay, i was travelling). i will also follow your precious advice and post a personal intro. for the time being, suffice to say here that i'm just a small time punter expatriated to belgium who manages to achieve a 50 odd extramarital shots a year (probably no big fish but i prefer to keep it that way).
flew from bj to guangzhou baiyun airport, metered cab to e. stn. (¥130), took a train (¥50), painstakingly cleared the taxi touts, settling for ¥15 for the ride to the miraton/meiyìdeng (usual ¥328 rate, great price quality ratio, only pain is the constant honking, which must be the same everywhere in this wild west atmosphere down here).
had a walk around the hotel, got hooked by a mama who led me to a kind of waiting room, on the bottom floor, in the backstreet of the huimei: 4 girls, not super but ok. it was late (10pm), i was pussy hungry, i was not going to shop for hours. driven by a sudden craving for [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), brought back the one that looked the youngest, although i was assured she was 18 (damage: the usual 100+100, on my request 100+300 was proposed for lt). another advantage was that she spoke 20 words of english which with my 20 words of chinese could begin to form a conversation.
small, pretty breasts, but no arse, she had come here from hunan 2 weeks ago she said (but already knew the miraton). we played games, had drinks, took a cuddly shower washing each other, on the bed, had a long licking session (was first tense, then loosened), rather short but correct bbj (an inexperienced girl, she asked me if she could stop she was going to vomit), then a rather intense and pleasant session. we kept it to there as i needed my sleep.
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 11:19
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But in CP, I have never gotten a late night call from security after a girl leaves my room.
If a hotel in CP makes it a practice to phone each guest every time a gal leaves - that hotel would need an army of security guys just making phone calls all night AND day long!! LOL!!
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
I think the mood that you are in is really what makes or breaks things. I've had the same situation happen to me before. I took a BBS gal out to dinner, then a footie, had a great time. When I got back to the room with her, she really was not all that fun to be with in bed. In addition, not only was her skin rough and dark, she had these rash "aftermath" (black looking rashes as if it was red before, but after a few weeks later those red rashes turn somewhat dark and brown color). These "aftermath" rashes were all over her breasts and stomach. i didn't have too great of a time with her as a result.
Bottom line:
1. Some girls are great to have fun with outside of bed and once they are in bed they are a dead fish. In your case, she was probably new to the trade so she was not experienced in bed at all. In addition, she may have been too tense or inexperienced to even know what she should do or was suppose to do.
2. It could also be the mood that you were in at the time. Sometimes when we put forth so much effort in taking the, out and having fun with them, we build up an "expectation" for the evening fun a bit too high. When reality sinks in, you end up feeling disappointed. This happens to me quite often. When I go to KTVs and bring a girl back, I somehow have a greater expectation that the night in bed is going to be more exciting..especially after all that time and effort spent in getting to know her and playing drink games with her in the KTV room. But when I take her back to bed, my expectations are instantly crushed when they just lay there and are a dead fish. But when I just take a BBS girl straight back to my room and have my fun with her, when she's a dead fish, I'm not as disappointed. I just pay her and she leaves and i can find another BBS girl.
Therefore, i think it's all about the mood and expectation that we put forth in the girl when we do too much GFE with them. When we invest in too much time and effort in them, we expect too much, and as well all know too much expectations leads to great disappointment.
Or...you could have just wanted a certain type of girl that night, but you got something completely different. Not your cup of tea that night i suppose.
Better luck next time
AsnDragon
Nahhh 170 for ST and it would have been 470 if I had kept her overnight. The part I negotiated was the 100 that the momma usually gets, down to 70.
I still ended up giving my gal RMB 150 to total my bill to 220 as I normally give gals an extra 20/30 tip anyway - but this time, gave what I "took away" from the mommy and gave it back to the gal.
BTW, what do you guys think? About how some gal would either click with you or they don't? And even when they do "click" with you prior to the deed, that they may still end up as duds in bed?
Like the way I did click with my gal that evening whilst having dinner and KTV with her - but when I got her back and was actually doin' it with her, it just suddenly occurred to me that I really was NOT enjoying the session. And all it took was the fact that her skin wasn't really the best - a bit dark and with a few "farmer-like" blemishes - as she really WAS a farmer a couple or so weeks back!!
Or am I just being too damn picky and spoilt with all these nubile SYT's?
SEAJ
Pointpanic
12-10-09, 15:02
Joe,
But in the rough and tumble world of Makati in Manila with hundreds of girls right outside your door in places like Dimples, at the Oxford Suites they still call you to make sure everything is alright before she leaves the building for this very reason. Its very comforting to have a call by security and have the SYT at the front desk concerned about you and to protect their reputation and to stay out of trouble with the cops The Manager there is from Hawaii by the way.
Point
If a hotel in CP makes it a practice to phone each guest every time a gal leaves - that hotel would need an army of security guys just making phone calls all night AND day long!! LOL!!
SEAJ
Pointpanic
12-10-09, 15:39
joe,
rwong's experiences remind me of a very cute and well endowed ban dao ktv gal who came to my room at hui hua, took off my shoes, hung up my clothes, did a whole tea ceremony thing and jumped in the shower with me but when she marched out of the shower dried and nude, gave me a military salute and jumped on top of me for a big kiss and surprise! a super bbbj and full on romp that left me with a smile on my face as she literaly petted me while combing my pubes and smiling the whole time while being filmed on camera. she drew bluebirds and hearts around here phone number when she left and i have been trying to find her ever since. but your cautionary tale is well taken as i was in such a giddy mood that i could have been careless in not watching her make the tea and could have ended up like jwong.
the second story reminds me of the time santa, bill and i reached the end of the night market and turned left around the corner to face about a dozen tough looking youths approaching us so we quickly retreated back to the last shop and ducked in the door past the momma and waited till they left. sort of like the time that santa and i just ducked in the last store to buy drinks when the le came down the street confirep001ing the little stools that the girls were sitting on and pounding on the metal doors before turning on their sirens, laughing and glaring at us while we drank our drinks and peered out from the shop. ahh, the fun of chasing the 130 fee at 2 am in the morning a while back.
[\te=se asia joe]rwong - a long time and frequent visitor to chang ping/but unfortunately, very infrequent isg poster (and thus the reason why i'm posting this up with appropriate apologies for posting something that i did not personally experience) - and i was just shooting the breeze and he told me a couple incidents in chang ping.
last year, he took a gal from the peninsula ktv to his room at the hui hua and before proceeding, he checked emails/sat down on his computer. his gal very nicely prepared coffee for him and he drank it down - and the next thing he knew, he was awake with his wallet, computer, telephones etc all gone. the gal had drugged him and the hotel cctv showed that she just calmly walked out of the hotel, loot in her large bag.
gal at the ktv was wearing a "temporary" name tag and apparently that was her first night and the mommie didn't even know/check her out at all. peninsula gave rwong rmb 6,000 towards the cost of future visits to peninsula ktv.
second incident was on swan lake street. his 3 friends were walking back to the clipper at 3 a.m. and they were accosted and robbed by 5 knife wielding muggers - which they think are just little punks high and prowling around after a night out at xinde. cleaned them out but luckily it was only a few hundred from each of them. but it's amazing that these punks would actually rob 3 guys instead of targeting the lone guy that's out and about. just goes to show that there may not be safety in numbers - not when confronted by muggers high on drugs etc
be careful out there guys.
seaj[/quote]
Web Connect
12-10-09, 16:31
Wow, this is am amazing piece of information. Wonder how a WG would know this. Hell, how did you find out about this?To be honest I am not sure what the formal education is when it comes to Sex in China.
Does anyone know if sex education is taught in school or at home even in rural poor areas ?
In other countries where sex is commercialized it is the handlers that teach the girls what to look for and how to prevent sexually transmitted diseases. If the girl is out of service. They are not making money.
I am an experienced and sexually educated monger. It is health science.
Web Connect
12-10-09, 16:35
To try to attract biz, they're now running another promotion. For 3 guys (and ONLY for 3 guys!) they'll offer an all in price for a small KTV room, all the beer you want to drink, fruit platter and some cheap snacks PLUS an overnight room at their hotel for RMB 400. No extra charge for the DJ but of course the gal fee 2-4-7 is NOT included. Actually not a bad deal for the heavy drinkers who can just go up the elevator to their room at the end of the evening.
SEAJCan you go there and just drink?
Or do they make you pay a girl to sit or leave with you?
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 16:59
Joe,
But in the rough and tumble world of Makati in Manila with hundreds of girls right outside your door in places like Dimples, at the Oxford Suites they still call you to make sure everything is alright before she leaves the building for this very reason. Its very comforting to have a call by security and have the SYT at the front desk concerned about you and to protect their reputation and to stay out of trouble with the cops The Manager there is from Hawaii by the way.
Point
Got a point there (good word play huh?) - but what if they start initating some of the other nonsense that they have in other destinations like a joiner's fee? Or the high prices i/o the Chinese KTV/Sauna subsidized hotel rates we enjoy? Or...........
Ahhhhh.... each place his its own merits.....
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 17:10
SEAJoe,
I think the mood that you are in is really what makes or breaks things. I've had the same situation happen to me before. I took a BBS gal out to dinner, then a footie, had a great time. When I got back to the room with her, she really was not all that fun to be with in bed. In addition, not only was her skin rough and dark, she had these rash "aftermath" (black looking rashes as if it was red before, but after a few weeks later those red rashes turn somewhat dark and brown color). These "aftermath" rashes were all over her breasts and stomach. i didn't have too great of a time with her as a result.
Bottom line:
1. Some girls are great to have fun with outside of bed and once they are in bed they are a dead fish. In your case, she was probably new to the trade so she was not experienced in bed at all. In addition, she may have been too tense or inexperienced to even know what she should do or was suppose to do.
2. It could also be the mood that you were in at the time. Sometimes when we put forth so much effort in taking the, out and having fun with them, we build up an "expectation" for the evening fun a bit too high. When reality sinks in, you end up feeling disappointed. This happens to me quite often. When I go to KTVs and bring a girl back, I somehow have a greater expectation that the night in bed is going to be more exciting..especially after all that time and effort spent in getting to know her and playing drink games with her in the KTV room. But when I take her back to bed, my expectations are instantly crushed when they just lay there and are a dead fish. But when I just take a BBS girl straight back to my room and have my fun with her, when she's a dead fish, I'm not as disappointed. I just pay her and she leaves and i can find another BBS girl.
Therefore, i think it's all about the mood and expectation that we put forth in the girl when we do too much GFE with them. When we invest in too much time and effort in them, we expect too much, and as well all know too much expectations leads to great disappointment.
Or...you could have just wanted a certain type of girl that night, but you got something completely different. Not your cup of tea that night i suppose.
Better luck next time
AsnDragon
Oh wise old one - you are totally correct.
After all, sex is ...... all in your mind ain't it? And the state of your mind controls everything whilst doin' it.
The thing that really got to me was that it was just her darker and perhaps not really blemish-free skin. I mean - it's actually such a small thing - and yet, it did "turn" the mood around and I suddenly stopped enjoying doin' 'er.
Just like that!
Oh well..... there's plenty fish in that barrel named CP.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-10-09, 17:33
joe,
rwong's experiences remind me of a very cute and well endowed ban dao ktv gal who came to my room at hui hua, took off my shoes, hung up my clothes, did a whole tea ceremony thing and jumped in the shower with me but when she marched out of the shower dried and nude, gave me a military salute and jumped on top of me for a big kiss and surprise! a super bbbj and full on romp that left me with a smile on my face as she literaly petted me while combing my pubes and smiling the whole time while being filmed on camera. she drew bluebirds and hearts around here phone number when she left and i have been trying to find her ever since. but your cautionary tale is well taken as i was in such a giddy mood that i could have been careless in not watching her make the tea and could have ended up like jwong.
the second story reminds me of the time santa, bill and i reached the end of the night market and turned left around the corner to face about a dozen tough looking youths approaching us so we quickly retreated back to the last shop and ducked in the door past the momma and waited till they left. sort of like the time that santa and i just ducked in the last store to buy drinks when the le came down the street confirep001ing the little stools that the girls were sitting on and pounding on the metal doors before turning on their sirens, laughing and glaring at us while we drank our drinks and peered out from the shop. ahh, the fun of chasing the 130 fee at 2 am in the morning a while back.
our hobby is such an imprecise art ain't it?
i mean, all of us - we're literally really always just skirting the edge ain't we - just coz we enjoy it all so much.
possibly getting ripped off, getting drugged and robbed (a couple or so years ago, some guy died at the grand hyatt hong kong and the speculation is that he got over-drugged by the hooker he was with), venereal disease, possibly doing damage to our reputation or our families, running afoul of the le.... the list goes on.... and yet we persist!!
oh well, the benefits outweigh the dangers i guess.
soldiering on......
seaj
Rwong. A long time and frequent visitor to Chang Ping/but unfortunately, very infrequent ISG poster (and thus the reason why I'm posting this up with appropriate apologies for posting something that I did not personally experience). And I was just shooting the breeze and he told me a couple incidents in Chang Ping.
Last year, he took a gal from the Peninsula KTV to his room at the Hui Hua and before proceeding, he checked emails/sat down on his computer. His gal very nicely prepared coffee for him and he drank it down. And the next thing he knew, he was awake with his wallet, computer, telephones etc all gone. The gal had drugged him and the Hotel CCTV showed that she just calmly walked out of the hotel, loot in her large bag.
Gal at the KTV was wearing a "temporary" name tag and apparently that was her first night and the mommie didn't even know/check her out at all. Peninsula gave Rwong RMB 6, 000 towards the cost of future visits to Peninsula KTV.
Second incident was on Swan Lake Street. His 3 friends were walking back to the Clipper at 3 am and they were accosted and robbed by 5 knife wielding muggers. Which they think are just little punks high and prowling around after a night out at Xinde. Cleaned them out but luckily it was only a few hundred from each of them. But it's amazing that these punks would actually rob 3 guys instead of targeting the lone guy that's out and about. Just goes to show that there may NOT be safety in numbers. Not when confronted by muggers high on drugs etc
Be careful out there guys.
SEAJI believe this is a case where two Rwongs don't make a right.
I'll get my coat.
Everyone has their own reasons, desires or needs of wanting to be involved in this imprecise art of mongering.
For the young people like you SEAJoe, although you may have the youth to pursue regular girls, it's a whole different experience in pursuing WG girls as opposed to regular girls. Excitement could range from being wanted, feeling like you possess power or control or you meet girls that have lower expectations that you feel you can provide for her and in turn makes you feel better about yourself in general.
As for older men like me, who's accomplished or gotten most of what most men are "suppose" to have- wife, children, grandchildren, financially stable etc....you end up wanting what you don't have. Suddenly, when you have too much stability in life, you seek for the wild fun of playing inside the world of unstable CP. When you are reminded every second by people around you in your real life about how old you are (looking at your wife) you seek for youth, for fun for the thrill and excitement of being with young girls who in turn make you feel young, allowing you to recapture the young that has long been lost. Having sex with a 40 or 50 year old woman just doesn't turn you on anymore, and seeing a young vibrant 18 year old girl from hunan makes your heart pound quickly and all the blood in your body rushing to your little head down there. After more than 30 year of working, you basically accumulate enough wealth to be pretty well off. But after 30 years of stress and hardwork, you realize that money is just a number with a few zeroes behind it on a bank statement or a bank passport. You can have all the money in the world, but you can never buy back your youth. Thus, men of all spectrum of wealth come into the world of mongering to reclaim what has been lost, their years spent slaving away to gain money. After all, we always want what we don't have right? A young girl, reminds us and helps us rekindle that feeling of our lost youth. Being able to buy a WG a shirt that makes her smile are indescribable pleasures of what makes a man happy-that we have the power to make someone happy through our own means. It makes us feel like a man. Being that we are 50 years old and have limited time to live, but we can buy into a fantasy that hot, young and fresh girls still dig us, and still want to have sex and get to know us, makes all of the dangers involved in mongering worthwhile.
But regardless of age, background, or ethnicity, men, are men. We seek to conquer new obstacles, we live for the excitement of life. We love young women, mostly for their body and zest for life, rather than their maturity. We like to play with girls without having the need to deal with the unecesary attachments involved in the aftermath of sex. There's not much that makes a man happy in this world. We like food, we like money and we like certain parts of women--(only the sex and the false feeling of love or infatuation). Regardless of how old we are, our days on this earth are numbered. This may be a dangerous hobby, but the dangers never stop us from participating in it, because the people who get involved in this hobby have one similar trait-we live for the excitement because we don't want to regret not living life up, either today or someday down the road.
As in advice to every brother out there, life is short! be smart, be safe, monger well and live up life.
AsnDragon
Our hobby is such an imprecise art ain't it?
I mean, all of us - we're literally really always just skirting the edge ain't we - Just coz we enjoy it all so much.
Possibly getting ripped off, getting drugged and robbed (A couple or so years ago, some guy died at the Grand Hyatt Hong Kong and the speculation is that he got over-drugged by the hooker he was with), Venereal disease, possibly doing damage to our reputation or our families, running afoul of the LE.... the list goes on.... and yet we persist!!
Oh well, the benefits outweigh the dangers I guess.
Soldiering on......
seaj
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 05:16
Everyone has their own reasons, desires or needs of wanting to be involved in this imprecise art of mongering.
For the young people like you
As in advice to every brother out there, life is short! be smart, be safe, monger well and live up life.
AsnDragon
I come on here just about every day - in the hope of finding nuggets like your posts. And golden nuggets they are - well written and thought out.
Thanks Asn Dragon for sharing your thoughts and giving us the pause to make us sit back to contemplate what it's all about.
In admiration -
SEAJ
Web Connect
12-11-09, 06:27
I believe you but some people might not like Web Connect. He doesn't believe there are scams, or crime happening in China. It's kind of funny reading some of his precautions for staying in a hotel when he believe it's totally safe.I take the same precautions staying in hotels that I would any where in the world. The precautions I take are based on common sense.
Scams and Crime happen everywhere. Of course scams and crimes happen China... it is a BIG country. Having visited CP I do not think it is as dangerous as other cities of the world I have visited.
I am glad you enjoyed my posts.
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 08:00
had a walk around the hotel, got hooked by a mama who led me to a kind of waiting room, on the bottom floor, in the backstreet of the huimei: 4 girls, not super but ok. it was late (10pm), i was pussy hungry, i was not going to shop for hours. driven by a sudden craving for [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), brought back the one that looked the youngest, although i was assured she was 18 (damage: the usual 100+100, on my request 100+300 was proposed for lt). another advantage was that she spoke 20 words of english which with my 20 words of chinese could begin to form a conversation.
huabinbin,
great report; all the right details except, the usual price is 150 rmb (50+100) in the hui mei area.
just my pov.
oah
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 08:06
In to spend a few days in CP. Thanks all for the great reports in this thread. No, EAJ, I'm not going to bite your ass, why would have I wanted to,
Thank you Huabinbin - and I do appreciate your report much.
And have to agree with OAH - the usual rate at the Hui Mei alley BBS's is still 150 - but they WILL of course try to get away with that 100+100. (believe that even our fearless W.C. also got taken for 200 first time around!!)
The Yalan/Swan Lake area though, is for the most part quite firm on the 100+100 - with the Jun Hui Mommmies always trying to get away with 100+150 for ST and 600 total for LT. Bia..tches!!
BTW - most Chinese gals really don't have much of an ass - so if you ever get one with a good one, You've got yourself a winner!!
Keep on posting and sharing. Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 08:07
I believe this is a case where two Rwongs don't make a right.
I'll get my coat.
Huh???
What do you mean - or are you just making a joke??
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 08:25
Web Connect,
There was no crackdown in CP last month right?
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/09/is-dongguan-sweeping-the-yellow-or-just-blowing-smokes/#more-4003
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 08:30
Also, regarding CP, is there actually any real Sauna. Like the ones they have in guangzhou, Beijing or shanghai. A place where you can go take shower, huge steam rooms, swimming pools/hot tubs. Place to eat and sleep, while getting foot massage. And actually choosing different types of massages. Getting actual massages if one wants. Along with the extra if one choose.
If there a place like this in CP:?
Thanks guys, Take care and be safe.
Jason
Jason,
Sorry I cannot remember the name (maybe another esteemed member can) but there is a legit place nearby the Miraton. If you are headed out of town towards the Changhu Highway, it is just after the bend in the road on the left hand side; less than 200 meters from the Miraton. 168RMB (less with coupon) including 90 minute massage. I do not think extras are available by I am not sure.
OAH
I take the same precautions staying in hotels that I would any where in the world. The precautions I take are based on common sense.
Scams and Crime happen everywhere. Of course scams and crimes happen China... it is a BIG country. Having visited CP I do not think it is as dangerous as other cities of the world I have visited.
Yes, scams and crime happen everywhere. Also true, there are plenty of places much more dangerous than China.
When I am done with my trip and have time to compile notes I will write a full honest report. A lot of what is posted in old threads about the danger is pure BULLSHIT!
Then you should NOT have to take any precautions in China or CP. You wrote all these reports of danger and scam are BULLSHIT! There is NO need or reason to worry or care.
You also wrote you were perfectly safe while in CP. You don't believe everything that is written on the INTERNET about scams, crime and raids, when the great majority say there is a problem. I now hear a change in tune from you.
I am sure if you did NOT do you homework ( RTFF ) and your attitude of NOT caring about dying or getting into a fight, you would have been a victim in either in a raid, scam or crime.
Like I wrote before, you arrived in CP AFTER a series of crackdown. Many of the bad elements were flushed out by LE. You even saw LE stopping cars. It would have been nice to see you with your pants down in a RAID if you came a few weeks earlier.
WE ARE NOW HEARING A CHANGE IN TUNE FROM YOU
EDIT: SOME TYPO AND GRAMMAR ISSUES
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 08:56
Jason,
Sorry I cannot remember the name (maybe another esteemed member can) but there is a legit place nearby the Miraton. If you are headed out of town towards the Changhu Highway, it is just after the bend in the road on the left hand side; less than 200 meters from the Miraton. 168RMB (less with coupon) including 90 minute massage. I do not think extras are available by I am not sure.
OAH
You mean the Pozolim? This is the veggie massage/footsie place just directly across the street from the side entrance of the Miraton.
I go there for footsies and to eat their "pot rice" - which besides being free between the hours 6 -10 pm (included in the price of 1 hour footsie @RMB49) is really good.
And yeah, as far as I know, this place is strictly veggie and there is no "extra" services available.
On the other hand, I've brought gals there to do the oil massage in adjoining rooms - and its quite a turn on to see your gal being practically butt naked being massaged - especially when you've not yet already had her!! For "new Friends" I'd usually invite them for footsie first whilst eating the pot rice, and then ask if she'd also like to have an oil massage afterwards. 9 times out of 10 she'd be agreeable and I'm in like Harry!! Even the couple times I was with a non-P4P, regular gal.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Web Connect,
There was no crackdown in CP last month right?
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/09/is-dongguan-sweeping-the-yellow-or-just-blowing-smokes/#more-4003
Just my POV.
OAH
Swan Lake hotel and Zhonghuan hotel were shut down in Changan town, the “new franchise” which had fifty to sixty stores was shut down, before it was shut down, this place was called the “human flesh market”
I wonder where was this place for 50 to 60 stores ?
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 09:30
You mean the Pozolim? This is the veggie massage/footsie place just directly across the street from the side entrance of the Miraton.
SEAJ,
This place is on the way out of town past the Starbucks and the bend in the road. It is a sauna center with the steam, sauna, pools, rest area, etc.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 09:51
Then you should NOT have to take any precautions in China or CP. You wrote all these reports of danger and scam are BULLSHIT!
You also wrote you were perfectly safe while in CP. You don't believe everything that is written on the INTERNET about scams, crime and raids, when the great majority say there is a problem. I now head a change in tune from you.
I am sure if you did NOT do you homework, RTFF, and you said you do care about dying or getting into a fight too, you would have been a victim in either in a raid, scam or crime because of your attitude.
Like I wrote before, you arrived in CP AFTER a series of crackdown. Many of the bad elements were flushed out by LE. You even saw LE stopping cars. It would have been nice to see you with your pants down in a RAID if you came a few weeks earlier.
CHANGE IN TUNE
Whassamatter with you Weelock??!!
You’ve got the world’s foremost AND ONLY expert on CP advising you and you’re arguing?
Look-it – let me summarize what you been told you gotta do:
Carry with you the following paraphernalia EVERYWHERE:
1. Automatic Center punch whatchamacallit – to punch out whatever
2. Industrial grade Mace – to use as deodorant.
3. High grade professional photographic equipment – to point and antagonize one and all
4. Hidden industrial grade spy camera – to record what happens to you when half a dozen guys set upon you
5. A name card file folder to show everybody you’ve got the name card of ALL the”””managers””” of the 5-star hotel you stay at.
6. A Cocky, I am invincible attitude – throw off a few Kung Fu kicks to show that you’re a real bad ass.
7. Stare down anybody and everybody to show ‘em who’s the baddest. Verbally abuse anyone who dares to stare back at you.
8. And if that don’t work – shout “I is Laowai” “ I AIN’T just a chubby ABF” “I is American” BUT….. NEVER back down!!
Ps. My own addition to the list – your organ donor card.
Prior to leaving for CP – you must do the following:
1. RTFF – this one and all other and really really know your stuff
2. Ask questions on the forum, ask for hand-outs, info, anything – come prepared to show one and all that you’re a world cl…ass monger!!
When you get to CP
1. Go to each and every hotel you RTFF’d and note down all the rates available – hey – gotta show everybody later you really know everything about CP. Check out all the facilities, hang around to savour the atmosphere…. And be able to report back. Even count the threads in the sheets! Each sheet.
2. Check in to the hotel with your expired credit card.
3. Call down and demand to immediately speak to the General Manager of the hotel you’ve finally decided to stay at; hand him over all your money denominated over RMB 20 – and insist that it be put into your own box with your own padlock – said box to be ensconced and locked safely within the General Manager’s own safe. Insist on getting your keys to the manager’s safe.
4. Fight, shout, abuse – even if it’s over RMB 50. Never back down. Only feckin’ pussies back down.
5. Walk walk and walk some more before you’d settle on your RMB 200 “prize” for the day. Report here how great you are and that you’re only doin’ this as you sometimes prefer sleaze instead of the “Porn Star” fucks that’s just plain vanilla for you (YEAH!!! Right!!). And Oh add a bit about how you’ve built up your very substantial Conglomerate paying slave wages to your peons in Cebu.
6. Join in a KTV party, take copious notes, stay 23-1/2 minutes, get kicked out and then write your “professional guide to KTV” here,
7. Get back on here and tell all those idiots who replied to your previous questions that they are idiots, con-men and give only misleading and totally wrong information. After all you’re now the one and only expert on CP!
BE DA MAN!!!
SEAJ
Ps. Am I missing anything?
Web Connect
12-11-09, 10:01
Web Connect,
There was no crackdown in CP last month right?
Just my POV.
OAHRead the title of that blog post. or just blowing smokes?
Why am I the only one who found it VERY easy to get laid multiple times a day during a so called raid.
Is it just. Or just blowing smokes?
Just my POV.
WC
I see there are lots of new postings in this post. Sorry to add this long report: I'll try to keep the next ones more focussed. You will understand that I am still trying to come to terms with what happened to me last night. Although of course I should not get too carried away neither: next week back to the rat race.
A group had formed to go and explore the new Swan Lake KTV: there was Rwong, a Singaporean with a kind of British pleasantness to him, who brought his own girls, a 2nd member – unnamed here as I don't know his alias, who also had brought his picnic, a kind of doctor es mongering and related studies, a Chinese American who travels to CP twice a month (!), and the famous Dave, another Chinese American who was happy to double up as an informed DJ – no girls.
As it happens, I was the only one in the group to do the selection process. For anyone, going thru the lines of girls being thrown at you, it can be a dizzying experience. There must have been 60 girls or so. My experienced colleagues deemed the overall quality poor. I personally had an instant click with one, my Number 1. As per accepted rules, I also picked a number 2. The reasons for this make sense: a security, if you do not connect with one of the girls, to create a bit of competition in service-mindedness, possibly other reasons as well.
It was my first KTV and it squashed all my earlier misgivings on the subject: I had a surprisingly delightful evening. It was obviously helped by the fact that each of my companions had a kind of guangxi (a skill at interrelations), leading games, bringing variations to them, making the personnel of attendants, mamasan, dj's, etc. Working for us, starting the singing. The language barrier was not insurmountable and could even be at times a source of fun. I even ended up loosening up by singing a few songs. The girls clearly like singing and they are good at it. Anyway, maybe it is the sound balance, but it seems like nobody can really be bad.
Both my girls were cuddly and sweet the whole time, only that I neglected a bit Number 2. She was younger and also pretty, eyes slightly crossing (which I like), she was a tiny bit brisk, a challenge that, since I was not going to take her anyway, member No 2 considered taking for a while to form a quartet with his 2 other girls (they were starting to look worried!) since. But I think that deal didn't go through finally.
The standard KTV damage is common knowledge by now: ¥200 for the seating girl, ¥800 for my LT. The room and drinks and things amounted to ¥400 per paying heads for the evening. Once, I had overcome my sarcastic attitude syndrome, I could really see the benefits of the process, very much worth the investment in my view: you spend a nice bonding evening with like-minded friends in a private room, snacks fruits, tea, beer flowing, the company of minor geishas geared on pleasing you. Your chosen girl will get to know you, gradually loosen up and hopefully start liking jumping into the sack with you. Not that I dislike it, but BBS and other RDL are rather on the sordid side even if an experienced and talented punter will often be able to make the system work for himself.
With number 1, we came back to the Meiyideng/Miraton, followed a long period of foreplay standing, moving and undressing only slowly like a long session of fenshui, every inch of my partner's skin was proving reactive, this went on in the shower. We approached kissing only progressively, but by the end of the session, meaning this morning, we could not stop kissing.
Naked, she did not disappoint: a nice little roundish butt, small breasts but not tiny, with prominent nips, at 1m63-65, she was not small for a Chinese, sweet face, sexy lips, upper front teeth a bit forward which I see as a turn on, don't ask me why, and sexily curved hips (which, for me, equates to guaranteed great sex; I am curious to have member No 2's comment on this one). In one word, in my ratings, with this body and the nobility of her moves and countenance – all of this I agree is eminently subjective – she is a princess, a little provincial girl from the middle of Hunan on whom God had bestowed not a farmer girl's but a princess's attributes, unknowingly to her. Was I going to be the only one to find out? Ok, I am getting lyrical here
I made her lie on the bed, kneeled and started licking her, for the first time, she tried softly to dissuade me (it will become clear later why), we engaged in frenzied sex, me up, then she riding me, with fingering stops in between. My girl was moaning non stop.
Back to the shower, she took me in her mouth with full gusto, followed a long session in the shower, she had no limits, fingering my anus, me fingering hers. She was as good at giving as at receiving. Next, on the floor, after more play, I took her from the back, and then it happened, she had warned me upfront of the eventuality back in the KTV, but I had decided to go ahead nonetheless, her periods started. That explained the earlier licking restriction. She made up for the circumstance by giving more frantic head.
It was time to sleep. But she was keeping me firmly next to her. The way she wanted us to fall asleep was with our 2 bodies glued together, little luck. I, for one, was keeping her simmering by keeping my hands on various erogenous zones, her tits, these hips! No need to say, that sleeping periods were short and infrequent. In the morning, we resumed playing, kissing and using the tricks that remained available in the circumstances. We parted in the late morning after doing a bit of conversation using google translator, having had breakfast, doing a few photo's.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
OldAsiaHand
12-11-09, 16:36
I noticed some posts recently about guys skipping out on their share of a KTV bill. As most of you know, I am not a big fan of KTV but many of my mongering buddies are. I often get invited to "stop by" and say hello at KTV. When I do this I may have 1-2 glasses of beer and munch on the fruit a bit. I usually only stay 15-30 minutes so do not invite a girl to sit with me. My question is:
Should I pay a share of the bill under these circumstances? Should I even stop by at all if I am not in for the evening?
OAH
SE Asia Joe
12-11-09, 17:00
I noticed some posts recently about guys skipping out on their share of a KTV bill. As most of you know, I am not a big fan of KTV but many of my mongering buddies are. I often get invited to "stop by" and say hello at KTV. When I do this I may have 1-2 glasses of beer and munch on the fruit a bit. I usually only stay 15-30 minutes so do not invite a girl to sit with me. My question is:
Should I pay a share of the bill under these circumstances? Should I even stop by at all if I am not in for the evening?
OAH
OF COURSE you should stop by!!
But I'd SUGGEST that when you leave, you should try to hand over a hundred or so to the guy(s) you know at the room and who you stopped by to see. You see, if you don't do that, it puts him in a bit of a difficult position as the other guys who do not know you, would expect that either he or you would pay for a share of the bill.
If on the other hand you do hand over a hundred or so (depending on how much you drink/how long you stay), then that amount will be deducted from the total bill BEFORE the rest is split by the other guys who stays the whole night.
And for the guy who you try to hand over the C note to originally - if he refuses you (Like I would think most guys will do IMHO), then he can volunteer to pay the 100 for you before they split the rest of the bill. At least the amount had been set by you and it would not be as onerous as if he would need to pay TWO FULL shares of the evening's bill. And if I know the guys we hang around with, IMHO, these other guys would just tell your friend to forget it - just split the bill evenly for them all.
All nice and no misunderstanding on anybody.
Just my very humble opinion -but I've witnessed a few unpleasantness when a guy drops in, drinks a couple and then, without meaning any harm etc, just say Thanks guys, Adios!! At least some unspoken grumbles.
IMHO/only my P.O.V. as you fondly always say!!
SEAJ
Ps. **Disclaimer** Exception to the above is if you had actually committed to be a part of the KTV party when it was first arranged. In this scenario, you ARE really expected to pay for a FULL share as the room size/minimum charge is governed by the number of attendees and EVERYBODY would have precalculated what he's going to spend taking into account the DJ fees, the mandatory fruit and snack platters etc. You should ALWAYS emphasize that you are only going to stop by for a while and NOT to count you in as a full time attendee, if that is what you only want to do.
Whassamatter with you Weelock??!!
You’ve got the world’s foremost AND ONLY expert on CP advising you and you’re arguing?
Look-it – let me summarize what you been told you gotta do:
Carry with you the following paraphernalia EVERYWHERE:
1. Automatic Center punch whatchamacallit – to punch out whatever
2. Industrial grade Mace – to use as deodorant.
3. High grade professional photographic equipment – to point and antagonize one and all
4. Hidden industrial grade spy camera – to record what happens to you when half a dozen guys set upon you
5. A name card file folder to show everybody you’ve got the name card of ALL the”””managers””” of the 5-star hotel you stay at.
6. A Cocky, I am invincible attitude – throw off a few Kung Fu kicks to show that you’re a real bad ass.
7. Stare down anybody and everybody to show ‘em who’s the baddest. Verbally abuse anyone who dares to stare back at you.
8. And if that don’t work – shout “I is Laowai” “ I AIN’T just a chubby ABF” “I is American” BUT….. NEVER back down!!
Ps. My own addition to the list – your organ donor card.
Prior to leaving for CP – you must do the following:
1. RTFF – this one and all other and really really know your stuff
2. Ask questions on the forum, ask for hand-outs, info, anything – come prepared to show one and all that you’re a world cl…ass monger!!
When you get to CP
1. Go to each and every hotel you RTFF’d and note down all the rates available – hey – gotta show everybody later you really know everything about CP. Check out all the facilities, hang around to savour the atmosphere…. And be able to report back. Even count the threads in the sheets! Each sheet.
2. Check in to the hotel with your expired credit card.
3. Call down and demand to immediately speak to the General Manager of the hotel you’ve finally decided to stay at; hand him over all your money denominated over RMB 20 – and insist that it be put into your own box with your own padlock – said box to be ensconced and locked safely within the General Manager’s own safe. Insist on getting your keys to the manager’s safe.
4. Fight, shout, abuse – even if it’s over RMB 50. Never back down. Only feckin’ pussies back down.
5. Walk walk and walk some more before you’d settle on your RMB 200 “prize” for the day. Report here how great you are and that you’re only doin’ this as you sometimes prefer sleaze instead of the “Porn Star” fucks that’s just plain vanilla for you (YEAH!!! Right!!). And Oh add a bit about how you’ve built up your very substantial Conglomerate paying slave wages to your peons in Cebu.
6. Join in a KTV party, take copious notes, stay 23-1/2 minutes, get kicked out and then write your “professional guide to KTV” here,
7. Get back on here and tell all those idiots who replied to your previous questions that they are idiots, con-men and give only misleading and totally wrong information. After all you’re now the one and only expert on CP!
BE DA MAN!!!
SEAJ
Ps. Am I missing anything?
Wow! That's very funny Joe. :D I want you to write the script for our action packed KungFu window smashing comedy. We all need a good laugh!
And maybe we could name the movie, "Respect Few and Fear None". Genghis Khan arrives in CP! "Oh shit, did someone steal my horse"?
Sorry if this has been mentioned, but check this link out. It says it all.
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/09/is-dongguan-sweeping-the-yellow-or-just-blowing-smokes/
Read the title of that blog post. or just blowing smokes?
Why am I the only one who found it VERY easy to get laid multiple times a day during a so called raid.
Is it just. Or just blowing smokes?
Just my POV.
WC
Like I wrote before, you arrived in CP AFTER a series of crackdown. The worst was over. Many of the bad elements were flushed out by LE. It would have been nice to see you with your pants down in a RAID if you came a few weeks earlier.
Like you have been saying, you don't believe raids, crime or even scams occurred in China. You felt perfectly safe.
Many places in Southern China like in Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hainan Island are gone and never came back to life as before they got RAIDED.
EDIT: TYPO
Bob Builder
12-12-09, 04:28
Like I wrote before, you arrived in CP AFTER a series of crackdown. The worst was over. Many of the bad elements were flushed out by LE. It would have been nice to see you with your pants down in a RAID if you came a few weeks earlier.
Like you have been saying, you don't believe raids, crime or even scams occurred in China. You felt perfectly safe.
Many places in Southern China like in Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Hainan Island are gone and never came back to life as before they got RAIDS.
The guy spent a few days in CP and did not get in any trouble. Despite his bravado he took precautions like anyone else, if not more so. Which nobody introduces themselves to the manager of the hotel anyway? As if the manager of the hotel is going to bail you out of jail along with the other 100s of monger guests that stay there. Lots of people monger during crackdowns and never get caught. You have to be in wrong place at the wrong time, but to tell others it is perfectly safe and not to heed warnings is being arrogant and naieve.
Anyone got GPS co-ordinates of where I can buy a hole puncher thing in Dongguan? I don't seem to have one on my toolbelt.
The guy spent a few days in CP and did not get in any trouble. Despite his bravado he took precautions like anyone else, if not more so. Which nobody introduces themselves to the manager of the hotel anyway? As if the manager of the hotel is going to bail you out of jail along with the other 100s of monger guests that stay there. Lots of people monger during crackdowns and never get caught. You have to be in wrong place at the wrong time, but to tell others it is perfectly safe and not to heed warnings is being arrogant and naieve.
Anyone got GPS co-ordinates of where I can buy a hole puncher thing in Dongguan? I don't seem to have one on my toolbelt.
In addition, unless you know the manager extremely well, I don't believe the managers are going to get involved with anything serious outside the hotel.
1. I need 15,000RMB to get out of jail. I got busted for prostitution.
2. Going to the hospital like one guy I knew, he needed a deposit before he was admitted.
3. I don't think the manager will get seriously involved with threats from any gang members.
4. A few guys waiting for you outside your hotel.
5. I need some backup in case something happens
6. I just got robbed and my credit cards are expired. I don't have any money to pay my hotel bill. I only carried enough to get around. Can I stay here for a few more days until my credit cards come.
7. Most managers in CP only speak basic English and some will need a translator. WC doesn't speak a word of China. As a result, communicate might be a big problem if something serious happens.
Bob Builder
12-12-09, 05:44
The following report was one of a few that a few mongers here posted 2 years ago predicting the end of CP as we know it and the disappearance of BBSs. How much has come true?
My Eye Spies
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I know many of you "old timers" to CP contest that things will remain the same here and that nothing will change, but I on the other hand disagree.
My eyes are seeing major changes here in the 1 1/2 years I have been coming to CP. Quite possibly as just a tourist coming in on the weekends to party, I really did not pay much attention to the changes, but living here now, I see it all the time.
CP as we know it will not be the same CP in 2-3 years. I know I am not Chinese, nor am I a seasoned CP vet, but it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that little, backwater, wild west CP wants to get away from that image and it's happening fast.
Lets take for example the railway station (The GZ-SZ-HK one) that everyone is familiar with. The internal portions of the station are being repaired, no longer will the taxi pirates assault you when you depart the area, a formal walled taxi lane is being built, the parking lot is being resurfaced, the station now has a McDonalds and a 7-11, I also just noticed today when going to Shenzhen, they are planting trees, and bushes where there was once just dirt, they are prepping the second floor of the station for some storefronts, and the main exterior plaza is under construction. This does not even take into consideration the brand new bus station and shopping arcade being built next to it.
I know some will say so what?? or those that have pussy tunnel vision will not even notice things like this, Starbucks, 6 lane roads, no motorcycles downtown, city taxis and buses now and high end shops and restaurants going up.
If I was a gambling man, I would bet the BBS's and xiaojies so abundant here, will be a thing of the past soon. As stated in another post, it will remain, but take on a new look, called more KTV's and massage joints just like SZ.
Enjoy it while you can,
-CPE
BTW: Pulled me a nice 18 year old Sichuan sweetie last night from the Yalan area, excellent skills and fresh meat. Also notice the "lack" of mommies around the Hui Mei area, this is several nights in a row I have observed this.
SE Asia Joe
12-12-09, 05:44
The guy spent a few days in CP and did not get in any trouble. Despite his bravado he took precautions like anyone else, if not more so. Which nobody introduces themselves to the manager of the hotel anyway? As if the manager of the hotel is going to bail you out of jail along with the other 100s of monger guests that stay there. Lots of people monger during crackdowns and never get caught. You have to be in wrong place at the wrong time, but to tell others it is perfectly safe and not to heed warnings is being arrogant and naieve.
Anyone got GPS co-ordinates of where I can buy a hole puncher thing in Dongguan? I don't seem to have one on my toolbelt.
Its become painfully obvious to me that when certain individuals would even think that he's the only person in the whole wide world who can shoot fish in the barrel we all know CP as being, that such delusions of grandeur borders on insanity.
He doesn't take any hints or suggestions that his "vast knowledge" has been written about time and time again here or that indeed his presence is not really welcome - but will just insist that he is the one and only fountain of all wisdom.
So, how should we treat the village idiot? The kindest way would be just to ignore him. You too Weelock - you've been having too much fun with this character!!
BTW - last week I again saw our friend the naked wonderer of CP - and he's all nicely covered up - but still walking briskly (where to I wonder) and with his crazy grin still firmly in place.
IMHO
SEAJ
[QUOTE=Bob Builder] Lots of people monger during crackdowns and never get caught. [QUOTE]
I walked out of a bbs with a gal. We were standing at the side of the street looking for a cab when I received a text from Bill Lee. "Be careful, just heard from mommies that there is a raid on". I looked up from my phone and an LE guy grabs my gal and forces her into a minivan. I casually looked down at my phone, walked away and into a restaurant, sat at a table and watched the raid through the window. He knew she was with me and where I had gone, but he did not go after me. Guess I was lucky. Had he caught me inside a shop maybe things would have been different, I don't know.
This happened just over a year ago.
SE Asia Joe
12-12-09, 05:55
I see there are lots of new postings in this post. Sorry to add this long report: I'll try to keep the next ones more focussed. You will understand that I am still trying to come to terms with what happened to me last night. Although of course I should not get too carried away neither:..........]
NICE!!!
And apologies about my previous remark about "biting me back" but you see, many a times, when we reply to newbies' questions or try to help out a fellow monger, we get nothing in return.
I guess this is OK and can be expected on a mongering web site as this; but more seriously though, of late we've had a guy who actually went ahead and told all of us off, accusing us of misleading him and actually conning him. And the guy will NOT stop doing it.
Conning him out of what we still all cannot figure out - by the way.
Anyway, I do enjoy your post and YES please do write more of your adventure in our favorite playland.
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-12-09, 05:59
The following report was one of a few that a few mongers here posted 2 years ago predicting the end of CP as we know it and the disappearance of BBSs. How much has come true?
My Eye Spies
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I know many of you "old timers" to CP contest that things will remain the same here and that nothing will change, but I on the other hand disagree.
My eyes are ...........
BTW: Pulled me a nice 18 year old Sichuan sweetie last night from the Yalan area, excellent skills and fresh meat. Also notice the "lack" of mommies around the Hui Mei area, this is several nights in a row I have observed this.
Awww... come on.... The guy's only giving HIS opinion!
Differing opinions is what makes this board lively.
Oh - OK, things can and does go to excess many times - but our friend didn't go on and on about it and he was, if I remember correctly, open to other's opinion.
Beating a dead horse??
IMHO - yup just another opinion!!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
12-12-09, 06:00
[QUOTE=Bob Builder] Lots of people monger during crackdowns and never get caught. [QUOTE]
I walked out of a bbs with a gal. We were standing at the side of the street looking for a cab when I received a text from Bill Lee. "Be careful, just heard from mommies that there is a raid on". I looked up from my phone and an LE guy grabs my gal and forces her into a minivan. I casually looked down at my phone, walked away and into a restaurant, sat at a table and watched the raid through the window. He knew she was with me and where I had gone, but he did not go after me. Guess I was lucky. Had he caught me inside a shop maybe things would have been different, I don't know.
This happened just over a year ago.
Was it in December and were you in uniform? Maybe he was thinking of all the little children apart from the gals in CP that would be disappointed if Santa was locked up during Christmas, hehehe!
Every time I heard of raids, it reminds me of my first time at a BBS in Dongguan. I was waiting for a room and not knowing that you actually got sex was expecting a massage. All of a sudden all the doors of the rooms flew open and half dressed guys and gals running for the exits. My buddy took a bit longer as he was not about to abandon his RMB3000 boots.
Bob Builder
12-12-09, 06:08
Awww... come on.... The guy's only giving HIS opinion!
Differing opinions is what makes this board lively.
Oh - OK, things can and does go to excess many times - but our friend didn't go on and on about it and he was, if I remember correctly, open to other's opinion.
Beating a dead horse??
IMHO - yup just another opinion!!
SEAJ
It just so happens that his was the first post I came across when looking as there were a rash of posts from mongers at that time predicting the end of CP as it is with some applying their college macro-economic theory.
Like I said, how much has come true?
The following report was one of a few that a few mongers here posted 2 years ago predicting the end of CP as we know it and the disappearance of BBSs. How much has come true?
My Eye Spies
Even from 7 to 9 years ago, CP is down considerably. Each year it seems to get smaller and smaller. Many of the BBS once had 50 to 60 girls in one shop. Now, less than 20 is the average. It could be a lot of things, LE and maybe the current economy.
On the other hand, now there are more higher end hotels compared to 7 to 9 years ago. To name a few, Eurasian, Crown Prince and the Garden.
I will stop feeling the DEAD HORSE. It kind of funny telling others it is perfectly safe and not to heed warnings while he takes precautions. He also knew what to expect and for warning signs from RTFF. It would have been nice to see somebody with his pants down in a RAID.
SE Asia Joe
12-12-09, 07:03
Where's the Pussy??!!
SEAJ
Jettsetter
12-12-09, 11:10
OF COURSE you should stop by!!
But I'd SUGGEST that when you leave, you should try to hand over a hundred or so to the guy(s) you know at the room and who you stopped by to see. You see, if you don't do that, it puts him in a bit of a difficult position as the other guys who do not know you, would expect that either he or you would pay for a share of the bill.
If on the other hand you do hand over a hundred or so (depending on how much you drink/how long you stay), then that amount will be deducted from the total bill BEFORE the rest is split by the other guys who stays the whole night.
And for the guy who you try to hand over the C note to originally - if he refuses you (Like I would think most guys will do IMHO), then he can volunteer to pay the 100 for you before they split the rest of the bill. At least the amount had been set by you and it would not be as onerous as if he would need to pay TWO FULL shares of the evening's bill. And if I know the guys we hang around with, IMHO, these other guys would just tell your friend to forget it - just split the bill evenly for them all.
All nice and no misunderstanding on anybody.
Just my very humble opinion -but I've witnessed a few unpleasantness when a guy drops in, drinks a couple and then, without meaning any harm etc, just say Thanks guys, Adios!! At least some unspoken grumbles.
IMHO/only my P.O.V. as you fondly always say!!
SEAJ
Ps. **Disclaimer** Exception to the above is if you had actually committed to be a part of the KTV party when it was first arranged. In this scenario, you ARE really expected to pay for a FULL share as the room size/minimum charge is governed by the number of attendees and EVERYBODY would have precalculated what he's going to spend taking into account the DJ fees, the mandatory fruit and snack platters etc. You should ALWAYS emphasize that you are only going to stop by for a while and NOT to count you in as a full time attendee, if that is what you only want to do.
In my opinion, it depends... I think SEAJ says it pretty accurately for the most part.. but it also depends on the company you're keeping. In other words, if you walk into a place where it's all old friends or if I had invited you to come and sit for a bit, and you just stopped by, had a beer and left.. then i wouldn't think twice and would never ask you to pay...
Obviously if you're there more than "stopping by" the appropriate thing to do is to pay... I guess there's a fine line that I don't think anybody can really differentiate.
Now the third scenario I would think involves coming to a party where folks don't really know each other. (i.e. mixture of different guys who don't necessarily know each other). then I'd ask the host how much to chip in and chip in appropriately.. (i.e. pay your share sorta) - i mean if I had three beers and 3 beers cost 30 each, then I'd pay my 100 or so and be done with it... this way there's no question or bad feelings.
Point being, I'm sure we're all reasonable people, and I think you should do whatever you think is right. Just by merely asking someone or offering, you're doing more than those who are the ones we criticize. You know who you are...
the kind of guys who knowingly try to avoid the bill and just generally carry their cheap stick around, trying to get a free lunch.
that's just not welcome...
-Jett
Jettsetter
12-12-09, 11:25
I think we've had our fun and pretty much have the same opinion of this dude Webconnect.
For what it's worth... I think he secretly gets his kicks from ruffling feathers. So rather than feed into the "hype"... my take is just to ignore him. Sorta like the pouting kid who doesn't get attention, i guess he needs to get his.
Had fun reading some of the stuff, but let's get back to business and do some good reporting on the good and bad spots of CP for those who are actually in touch with what CP is really like.
For all I care, I welcome the dude to go ahead and do what he has to do, walk his walk and do his thing, and get his pussy. If he's successful, great... if he needs help, he can RTFF... and if he gets lonely, he can talk to himself at the buffet or have his fun shopping for that "special someone"...
I'm glad a tool like that won't be sitting in the KTV with me, having breakfast with the clan, or doing our dinners and lunches at HH - Royalty style... Roadtrips to SZ and GZ, and late night outings, playing Du Di Zhou, or having a clan of footies and talking sh*t and playing with the footie girls. That's reserved for the guys that I've met over the years, many of which I've established damn good friendships with, some of which I've traveled all over the world hunting with.
Let it be... go have your fun... I don't wish harm on you ... but if something does happen... don't be surprised (I'm not going to be)... I'm sure you'll never post it anyways because it would just be far too humiliating to admit...
I've personally been going to CP since the days when Lion was it, and when Amazon was the place to be... Ah... that was the OG - flowermarket... never seen anything like that in my life.
I've personally met people with fresh scars to prove it of the dangers that CP can pose. I've seen people get their ass kicked in broad daylight with a cop standing right there, and I've personally (either myself or a friend) had stuff stolen or ripped off from right under our noses.
I look forward to keeping this fun as long as we can. Although many of you know i've slowed down (partly because it kind of got to be same old same old) - what keeps me coming back to party is the great buddies I've met along the way...
I look forward to seeing all you guys again real soon.
P.S. Isn't Christmas coming soon. What's Christmas in CP WITHOUT SANTA??? Where have you been Santa.. i've seen your posts, but it's not the same without afternoon coffee and snacks at Mito's!!
-Jett
RCA Knight
12-12-09, 12:46
When I was there recently, I was told by a HK factory boss who lives in nearby town. He said during the recent raids, not only many girls were arrested then fined or jailed or both, there were also some monger brothers who fell victims as well. Most of them were fined and released but a few non-ethnic Chinese brothers had a much tougher time. He said a few Japanese and other westerners were held in jail or police stations for many days, and finally the authority required their consular staff to come and sign the release paper and bail them out. Although the risk is low, but the risk is still there in CP.
There were caught during the raids in hotels, yes, knock on your hotel rooms late at night as I was told. So he advised me to finish the fun early and avoid all nighter. Now it seems all peaceful, but big Brother Hu is coming through soon, so things can change over night again. Be alert in CP nowadays, and better to remember your "girlfriend's" whole name first before you start the grill in case there is a sudden knock in the hotel room.
Playboy2000
12-12-09, 21:59
It was time to sleep. But she was keeping me firmly next to her. The way she wanted us to fall asleep was with our 2 bodies glued together, little luck. I, for one, was keeping her simmering by keeping my hands on various erogenous zones, her tits, these hips! No need to say, that sleeping periods were short and infrequent. In the morning, we resumed playing, kissing and using the tricks that remained available in the circumstances. We parted in the late morning after doing a bit of conversation using google translator, having had breakfast, doing a few photo's.
Huabinbin - Really excellent reporting. So much better than the usual bickering that goes on in this forum. Please keep feeding us your reports. What the hell is fengshui?
In addition, unless you know the manager extremely well, I don't believe the managers are going to get involved with anything serious outside the hotel.
1. I need 15,000RMB to get out of jail. I got busted for prostitution.
2. Going to the hospital like one guy I knew, he needed a deposit before he was admitted.
3. I don't think the manager will get seriously involved with threats from any gang members.
4. A few guys waiting for you outside your hotel.
5. I need some backup in case something happens
6. I just got robbed and my credit cards are expired. I don't have any money to pay my hotel bill. I only carried enough to get around. Can I stay here for a few more days until my credit cards come.
7. Most managers in CP only speak basic English and some will need a translator. WC doesn't speak a word of China. As a result, communicate might be a big problem if something serious happens.
I don't know about any of those things, but a while back, I accidentally left my passport in a cab. The manager helped me track the cab down (he called every cab company in the area in addition to posting an ad on the local radio). It took a day, but he eventually found the driver and I got my passport back. Another time, I was stuck outside of GZ without any cash, spent it all in a drunken revelry, and the manager called a friend of his at a nearby hotel and arranged for a car to take me back to Yantian.
OldAsiaHand
12-13-09, 04:21
Be alert in CP nowadays, and better to remember your "girlfriend's" whole name first before you start the grill in case there is a sudden knock in the hotel room.
It will not ALWAYS work but knowing a few bits of information about the girl may help. "What do you mean she is a hooker?" Her name is XXX, she comes from XXX and she is my "girlfriend" may get you out of trouble. Hopefully, it will match what is stated on her ID card.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
12-13-09, 05:14
I don't know about any of those things, but a while back, I accidentally left my passport in a cab. The manager helped me track the cab down (he called every cab company in the area in addition to posting an ad on the local radio). It took a day, but he eventually found the driver and I got my passport back. Another time, I was stuck outside of GZ without any cash, spent it all in a drunken revelry, and the manager called a friend of his at a nearby hotel and arranged for a car to take me back to Yantian.
How well did you know the manager?
SE Asia Joe
12-13-09, 08:37
I don't know about any of those things, but a while back, I accidentally left my passport in a cab. The manager helped me track the cab down (he called every cab company in the area in addition to posting an ad on the local radio). It took a day, but he eventually found the driver and I got my passport back. Another time, I was stuck outside of GZ without any cash, spent it all in a drunken revelry, and the manager called a friend of his at a nearby hotel and arranged for a car to take me back to Yantian.
Wow! - please tell us which hotel/where.
Such service above and beyond the line of duty deserves special mention - especially in China!
Is it possible that the reason that your managers takes such good care of you, is that you ARE not only a high spending and good guests, but is also a long staying one? I cannot see them taking care of an overnighter and other short staying guests the way they assisted you.
In any case, what they did is indeed way beyondthe line of duty even for a long staying and high spending guest as you - and as such, definitely deserving of special mention - and patronage from us who needs to stay in the locality.
IMHO
SEAJ
Was in CP this week and usual Big Swinging Dave organised the fun and as always did a great job of it...it is great having Dave there to help you out especially if you dont speak the language. Through Dave I also met some great guys from this board...really nice guys.
Everything seemed like business as usual in CP and no signs of a crackdown. One very interesting new development was at the Humei Hotel Sauna (or was it the other Husomething hotel?? Not sure, Dave any comment)...they had a selection of 6 or 7 Korean girls....i took a twenty year old very slim Korean girl and she was a real stunner. Perfect body and perfect porcelain white skin. Great performance although she was a slow starter but really got into it as the session went on...it was pricey at 1,000RMB but well worth it for a one off...highly recommended.
CP is such a great place. For the non chinese speaking guys that want to see CP i suggest you get in contact with BSD and best to do so soon as things may not be so easy for ever and best to strike while you can
SE Asia Joe
12-13-09, 17:27
It will not ALWAYS work but knowing a few bits of information about the girl may help. "What do you mean she is a hooker?" Her name is XXX, she comes from XXX and she is my "girlfriend" may get you out of trouble. Hopefully, it will match what is stated on her ID card.
Just my POV.
OAH
Question -
Say you get caught naked/in a state of partial undress in a hotel room with a Chinese gal - and your are a foreigner - does establishing A Chinese Gal as your girl friend I/O a common W.G., let you off the hook?
I mean - OK, if they "catch" you just walking arm in arm or just snoggling up outside or together in the car/taxi in a roadblock (as happens in Beijing quite often) - where there is no possibility that the 2 of you were having sex - yeah I can see that it's an advantage to claim that you were just friends etc.
But to be caught in flagrante delecti (sp) /with your pants down with a Chinese gal?? Do you think that the LE is gonna give a damn if she's a WG or a friend? I think he'll instead just revert to type and still arrest you - the evil furrener - for compromising the decency of a nice Chinese gal or whatever!!
What d'yall think?
SEAJ
wow! - please tell us which hotel/where.
such service above and beyond the line of duty deserves special mention - especially in china!
is it possible that the reason that your managers takes such good care of you, is that you are not only a high spending and good guests, but is also a long staying one? i cannot see them taking care of an overnighter and other short staying guests the way they assisted you.
in any case, what they did is indeed way beyondthe line of duty even for a long staying and high spending guest as you - and as such, definitely deserving of special mention - and patronage from us who needs to stay in the locality.
imho
seaj
i have doubts people would go to this hotel. anyway, it's the airland hotel in yantian in shenzhen. also, the previous manager moved on a couple years ago and is no longer working there.
the way it was, back in the day, my friend and i used to stay there for long periods. i would stay for like... 1-2 weeks at a time. my friend would stay there for 1-2 months at a time.
i have no doubt we were considered special clients, even so, he was most accommodating in whatever we requested. for example, we didn't really like bringing girls in through the lobby, so we asked the manager to allow our driver to use the basement entrance to drop us off. he gave us a special key to allow us access to the elevator in the basement.
other things he did for us, he would put us in rooms that had no neighbors, sometimes, an entire floor with no other people. that way, we would have more privacy. we were allowed to use most of the hotel facilities without extra charge.
one thing i should point out, the manager and we were very friendly towards each other. we would occasionally invite him out for dinner with some of our other friends. he would try to have conversations with us to try to learn english. once we stopped using that hotel after we moved to futian, we still kept in contact with him.
i think though, on the whole, better than getting friendly with a hotel manager, it's better to get friendly with a ktv manager. i think a devoted ktv manager can do a lot more for you than a hotel manager. for example, most ktv managers have worked at several establishments. if you want to go somewhere else, he can easily arrange it with a former co-worker. if you want to find a particular venue, he can easily help you finding a car or whatever you need to get there. if you want to talk about girls, ktv managers will have much more info than a regular hotel manager. some of them have bbs mommies on speed dial, so they can arrange whatever you want. if a hotel is booked, a ktv manager can almost always get you a room, usually at their lowest price. if you've never been to a particular sauna, the ktv manager can arrange it so you don't get ripped off and he'll fill you in on the info you need to know. i know a lot of guys here have issue with the manager coming to drink with them and stuff, but believe me, it's worth it. a good ktv manager can help you with anything, and in the long run, probably save you money in the long run.
Big Swingin Dave
12-14-09, 00:22
Was in CP this week and usual Big Swinging Dave organised the fun and as always did a great job of it...it is great having Dave there to help you out especially if you dont speak the language. Through Dave I also met some great guys from this board...really nice guys.
Everything seemed like business as usual in CP and no signs of a crackdown. One very interesting new development was at the Humei Hotel Sauna (or was it the other Husomething hotel?? Not sure, Dave any comment)...they had a selection of 6 or 7 Korean girls....i took a twenty year old very slim Korean girl and she was a real stunner. Perfect body and perfect porcelain white skin. Great performance although she was a slow starter but really got into it as the session went on...it was pricey at 1,000RMB but well worth it for a one off...highly recommended.
CP is such a great place. For the non chinese speaking guys that want to see CP i suggest you get in contact with BSD and best to do so soon as things may not be so easy for ever and best to strike while you canWe (Bowerboy, Huabinbin, and JP from HK) were at the Hui Hua Sauna and we were surprised by the Manager that there were actually Koreans working at this Sauna. We saw only 4 of them and was told that they will only be in town for 2 weeks. The tip is 1,000 RMB to the girl and they spoke passable English. This is the first time that I have saw any non-Chinese WGs in CP. The WG that Bowerboy was talking about was 333. Wow, she was a stunner. Well worth checking out.
BSDave
Question -
Say you get caught naked/in a state of partial undress in a hotel room with a Chinese gal - and your are a foreigner - does establishing A Chinese Gal as your girl friend I/O a common W.G., let you off the hook?
I mean - OK, if they "catch" you just walking arm in arm or just snoggling up outside or together in the car/taxi in a roadblock (as happens in Beijing quite often) - where there is no possibility that the 2 of you were having sex - yeah I can see that it's an advantage to claim that you were just friends etc.
But to be caught in flagrante delecti (sp) /with your pants down with a Chinese gal?? Do you think that the LE is gonna give a damn if she's a WG or a friend? I think he'll instead just revert to type and still arrest you - the evil furrener - for compromising the decency of a nice Chinese gal or whatever!!
What d'yall think?
SEAJ
I think if you're a foreigner, and pretend you can't speak Chinese, they'll most likely let you go. From what I gather, every time a foreigner is arrested, especially an American, they have to contact the foreign embassy, so they can send over a representative and a translator. In addition, it seems there a lot more paperwork to be done for a foreigner than a native, and most cops hate doing that.
A have a friend, who a couple of years ago, got caught in a bar fight. It was all his fault. He started it, he beat the guy up, and there were at least a dozen witnesses. The cops came, spoke to the witnesses, and spoke to my friend, who was an ABC who spoke both Cantonese and Mandarin, but pretended he couldn't speak either. The cop arrested the other guy and told my friend to go back to his hotel.
We (Bowerboy, Huabinbin, and JP from HK) were at the Hui Hua Sauna and we were surprised by the Manager that there were actually Koreans working at this Sauna. We saw only 4 of them and was told that they will only be in town for 2 weeks. The tip is 1,000 RMB to the girl and they spoke passable English. This is the first time that I have saw any non-Chinese WGs in CP. The WG that Bowerboy was talking about was 333. Wow, she was a stunner. Well worth checking out.
BSDave
I have sincere doubts they are really Korean. They are most likely chaoxianzhu from Yanbian up north. Entertainment places in GZ near Korean neighborhoods are full of them.
Big Swingin Dave
12-14-09, 00:33
Fu Hao KTV have started remodeling some of their outdated rooms and have added 20 new ones. Additionally, now they have "models" for 3-6-10. They still have 3 category of 2-5-8's. Yellow tag will strip in the room (50RMB additional) and available for ST/LT. Blue tag will not strip in the room but available for ST/LT, and Red tag will only sit and entertain you in the room but will not strip and not available for ST/LT. Some of the blue tag/red tag WGs will strip in the room with a little coercing and it will depend on your pursuasion skills.
BSDave
Big Swingin Dave
12-14-09, 00:39
Was at the Miraton last night with SlowerBetter, HungryGuy, Huabinbin, and 2 other non-ISG brothers and was shocked to find out that the Mommies working at the Miraton banned together and had a work strike against management. Apparently, the reason for the walk-out was due to changes made by new management for having a flower-street and making the WGs stand for at least 2 hours even if there are no customers after the usual rush between 7pm - 8pm. We salvaged the evening by going to the Manhattan and there were still plenty of WGs at 7:30pm and had an awesome time there. Not sure how long the strike will last, will let everyone know when it does.
BSDave
Big Swingin Dave
12-14-09, 00:43
I have sincere doubts they are really Korean. They are most likely chaoxianzhu from Yanbian up north. Entertainment places in GZ near Korean neighborhoods are full of them.
Where were you when we needed you? Well, if they weren't real Koreans, it really fooled the four of us. Maybe some of you Korean experts can check it out and verify if they are authentic or is everything in China really a "knock-off"??
BSDave
One Eyed Man
12-14-09, 02:19
Fu Hao KTV have started remodeling some of their outdated rooms and have added 20 new ones. Additionally, now they have "models" for 3-6-10. They still have 3 category of 2-5-8's. BSDave
How do you identify these "models" and do they strip and leave with you and everything?
RCA Knight
12-14-09, 03:13
I am sure all these so-called Koreans are the ethnic Korean-Chinese from the Northeast China, or simply girls from North Korea-China border provinces. They label them Koreans to get a better price.
SE Asia Joe
12-14-09, 09:16
i have doubts people would go to this hotel. anyway, it's the airland hotel in yantian in shenzhen. also, the previous manager moved on a couple years ago and is no longer working there.the airland hotel?? is that the one right outside the gate of the minsk aricraft carrier park? in shataujiao? if so, i think the place closed down approx 2 years ago - along with the minsk - and have not re-opened. pity as it was an ok hotel and quite cheap.
i think though, on the whole, better than getting friendly with a hotel manager, it's better to get friendly with a ktv manager. i think a devoted ktv manager can do a lot more for you than a hotel manager. for example, most ktv managers have worked at several establishments. if you want to go somewhere else, he can easily arrange it with a former co-worker. if you want to find a particular venue, he can easily help you finding a car or whatever you need to get there. if you want to talk about girls, ktv managers will have much more info than a regular hotel manager. some of them have bbs mommies on speed dial, so they can arrange whatever you want. if a hotel is booked, a ktv manager can almost always get you a room, usually at their lowest price. if you've never been to a particular sauna, the ktv manager can arrange it so you don't get ripped off and he'll fill you in on the info you need to know. i know a lot of guys here have issue with the manager coming to drink with them and stuff, but believe me, it's worth it. a good ktv manager can help you with anything, and in the long run, probably save you money in the long run.
hmmmm.... never thought of these guys in that light!!! but upon refelction, i guess you are correct.
only problem i can think of with getting palsy w/these ktv mangers is that they are "high maintenance" friends - in that i have seen the way that you and your friends act towards these guys, and if takes that much to be friends with them, well.......!!
but of course this is cheap skate seaj talking here!!
seaj
Playboy2000
12-14-09, 13:27
Maybe some of you Korean experts can check it out and verify if they are authentic or is everything in China really a "knock-off"?? BSDave
Great line!
Bob Builder
12-14-09, 13:47
The airland hotel?? Is that the one right outside the gate of the Minsk Aricraft carrier park? In Shataujiao? If so, I think the place closed down approx 2 years ago - along with the Minsk - and have not re-opened. Pity as it WAs an OK hotel and quite cheap.
Hmmmm.... never thought of these guys in that light!!! But upon refelction, I guess you are correct.
Only problem I can think of with getting palsy w/these KTV mangers is that they are "high Maintenance" friends - in that I have seen the way that you and your friends act towards these guys, and if takes that much to be friends with them, well.......!!
But of course this is cheap skate SEAJ talking here!!
SEAJ
Agree with Moody about good KTV managers. If anything the ones that I use a lot don't come into the room to run up the drinks bill but will come into the room to take a break from being forced to drink by the other customers. They will also tell me not to take a particular gal if they aren't good service providers and call up private stock part-timers whose benefactor is not in town.
I know what you mean about fake korean girls but I am pretty sure these girls were genuinely Korean. They were immediate standouts from the other girls and the one I had seemed genuinely not to speak Mandarin.
Her teeth were perfect and skin without blemish and her breath did not have any scent whatsoever of bad breath...the teeth and lack of bad breath alone are qualifiers enough that this girl was not from the Chinese mainland.
Point well taken but i am quite sure it didnt apply in this case.
OF COURSE you should stop by!!
But I'd SUGGEST that when you leave, you should try to hand over a hundred or so to the guy(s) you know at the room and who you stopped by to see. You see, if you don't do that, it puts him in a bit of a difficult position as the other guys who do not know you, would expect that either he or you would pay for a share of the bill.
Yes exactly. Stop by, i always invite people to drop in, if they offer $ i will politely refuse it is my invite. But make sure you do that with the person that invited.
One time I actually came to a party of SEAJs friends and he left early before I could discuss payment, I tried to pay another guy whom i had been drinking with who waived it off only for SEAJ to get shit that his friends didn't pay (we straighted it out later). but not only did i look like an ass, so did the invitee until it was straighted even though I tried to pay my share.
when others aren't in town or in mood, I often will go to KTV solo with a few gals or maybe with two people, three is the ideal minimum level for a social party. often i end up having fun partying with mommie's i know - they wingman me if you will. one mommie suggested a threesome with her and her girl...
One Eyed Man
12-14-09, 18:16
I know what you mean about fake korean girls but I am pretty sure these girls were genuinely Korean. .... Her teeth were perfect and skin without blemish and her breath did not have any scent whatsoever of bad breath...the teeth and lack of bad breath alone are qualifiers enough that this girl was not from the Chinese mainland.
I think Korean girls are gorgeous but they often have stinky breath from the food they eat, which often contains a lot of chilies, onions, and garlic (not to mention kimchee). Maybe the girls were new and not yet able to locate their native cuisine in CP.
The airland hotel?? Is that the one right outside the gate of the Minsk Aricraft carrier park? In Shataujiao? If so, I think the place closed down approx 2 years ago - along with the Minsk - and have not re-opened. Pity as it WAs an OK hotel and quite cheap.
Hmmmm.... never thought of these guys in that light!!! But upon refelction, I guess you are correct.
Only problem I can think of with getting palsy w/these KTV mangers is that they are "high Maintenance" friends - in that I have seen the way that you and your friends act towards these guys, and if takes that much to be friends with them, well.......!!
But of course this is cheap skate SEAJ talking here!!
SEAJ
The hotel wasn't near the Minsk. It was on the beach in Dameisha.
As for the managers, there are a couple who are more friends than anything. We enjoy having them hang out with us and to be honest, those guys can't drink much anyway, maybe a few beers tops, which isn't much compared to what we normally go through.
I think if you're a foreigner, and pretend you can't speak Chinese, they'll most likely let you go. From what I gather, every time a foreigner is arrested, especially an American, they have to contact the foreign embassy, so they can send over a representative and a translator. In addition, it seems there a lot more paperwork to be done for a foreigner than a native, and most cops hate doing that.
In my opinion, if you are caught in the middle of a planned RAID, you are more likely to be let go, if you are a male, than a female. If you are a foreigner, you are also more likely to be let go but overall, don't count on anything. Then hope they don't catch you with anything like condoms, dido's, electric vibrators, ropes, handcuffs in your room. I only know of one old guy on ISG that is real kinky and has plenty of sex toys he usually carries. It is also more believable if you are fully clothed and not both naked in a room.
If caught, possible jail and a large fine. Then kicked out of China but this is the very extreme case.
1. In a hotel, LE will ask questions before letting you go or arresting you.
2. In a sauna, if you are naked, watch out. In some sauna, I noticed some girls will make a trip after meeting a customer to get condoms, towels, ice and water, etc.
3. The safe places would be at a high end KTV, unless it's a naked KTV.
In RAIDS, pictures and videos are usually taken by LE.
PS I was just joking about the kinky sexy toys someone carries. I was going to name someone as a joke but it might be going too far.
SE Asia Joe
12-15-09, 04:35
The hotel wasn't near the Minsk. It was on the beach in Dameisha.
As for the managers, there are a couple who are more friends than anything. We enjoy having them hang out with us and to be honest, those guys can't drink much anyway, maybe a few beers tops, which isn't much compared to what we normally go through.
Oh yeah - I remember now - with the view of the beach and the McDonald's in the shopping plaza downstairs.
Actually I had a pretty good time there a couple times with my ex-GF - but damn if I know where the action is around Damiesha. It's a zoo on Summer Week-ends there though and highlight of our stays at Dameisha had only been the Pigeon/squab meals!!
What were you doing there in the middle of nowhere? I've gone back there a few times after golf games etc but realy couldn't locate any action at all. Where and what did you "enjoy" yourself whilst there? It'd certainly be great info the next time I play at Wind Valley!
SEAJ
I can think of a number of times i was invited to a ktv and was told "the boss or so and so is paying for everything, you only have to pay for your girl". Later I hear grumbling about what it cost, etc. So, I would say, if you receive such an invitation do not take it as it is told to you, even if you believe the "free" invitation is sincere. Just like when you are "invited" to a restaurant dinner in China, you are still expected to make a sincere offer to pay for the meal or at least pay for your share.
Also, I have often "just dropped in for a quick visit", usually at someones invitation. Most of the time that will not be a problem. But sometimes, even though you might only stay for only 5 or 10 mins and have a very small sip of beer and then leave, someone in the room will feel that you are free loading and crashing a private party. So, I would also say, expect to offer a contribution, or stay away. If you need to see someone briefly and don't not want to become part of the party, then do not take a seat or accept a drink.
Just my opinion.
Also, I have often "just dropped in for a quick visit",
Just my opinion.
Santa you are always welcome at my KTV parties, and given the 2 1/2 beers you can drink I will always cover you. Your philosophical musings are always interesting. Where the hell have you been?
OldAsiaHand
12-15-09, 08:42
I can think of a number of times i was invited to a ktv and was told "the boss or so and so is paying for everything, you only have to pay for your girl". Later I hear grumbling about what it cost, etc. So, I would say, if you receive such an invitation do not take it as it is told to you, even if you believe the "free" invitation is sincere. Just like when you are "invited" to a restaurant dinner in China, you are still expected to make a sincere offer to pay for the meal or at least pay for your share.
Also, I have often "just dropped in for a quick visit", usually at someones invitation. Most of the time that will not be a problem. But sometimes, even though you might only stay for only 5 or 10 mins and have a very small sip of beer and then leave, someone in the room will feel that you are free loading and crashing a private party. So, I would also say, expect to offer a contribution, or stay away. If you need to see someone briefly and don't not want to become part of the party, then do not take a seat or accept a drink.
Just my opinion.
Santa,
In a Chinese business environment, when you are invited to KTV, you are not expected to pay anything, except maybe your girl since I've heard some Chinese think it bad luck to pay these services for someone else. Offering to pay a share would be an insult and loss of face for the host. The same applies to dinner in this scenario.
Other guys, like Moody for example, normally operate under the same scenario and pay the whole bill. Since he goes to KTV with his mates nearly every night, they take turns paying the bill. They don't seem to mind if an extra guy or two freeload on their party. It may be that they drink so much that whatever the extra guy(s) drink is such a small percentage of the bill, it doesn't matter. That said, it does make you feel guilty being a freeloader and you offer to pay the whole bill too once in awhile.
The case in discussion now is a bunch of guys that may or may not all know each other getting together for KTV and sharing the bill. I can understand that some may think that by me coming and drinking a beer and eating some fruit, it increases their cost for the night. So lately, unless I know all of the guys at the KTV pretty well, I generally do not "stop by" for a visit.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
12-15-09, 09:29
Santa,
In a Chinese business environment, when you are invited to KTV, you are not expected to pay anything, except maybe your girl since I've heard some Chinese think it bad luck to pay these services for someone else. Offering to pay a share would be an insult and loss of face for the host. The same applies to dinner in this scenario.
Other guys, like Moody for example, normally operate under the same scenario and pay the whole bill. Since he goes to KTV with his mates nearly every night, they take turns paying the bill. They don't seem to mind if an extra guy or two freeload on their party. It may be that they drink so much that whatever the extra guy(s) drink is such a small percentage of the bill, it doesn't matter. That said, it does make you feel guilty being a freeloader and you offer to pay the whole bill too once in awhile.
The case in discussion now is a bunch of guys that may or may not all know each other getting together for KTV and sharing the bill. I can understand that some may think that by me coming and drinking a beer and eating some fruit, it increases their cost for the night. So lately, unless I know all of the guys at the KTV pretty well, I generally do not "stop by" for a visit.
Just my POV.
OAH
You can pay for the sitting fee in the room is OK but paying for the fuck is bad luck.
You are never going to get a definitive answer to whether to pay or not and how much. It would involve writing a rulebook. Generally, if it is a real short stop and not in a business setting, you can offer and it is up to the host whether to accept or not. Treat it like the free 15 minute gal tryout rule, if you stay longer, pay up.
Chang Ping
12-15-09, 09:41
Looks like western influences and march of progress is unstoppable...look what I found in other website...have deleted the email addy from the post as per rules but you get the picture.
Loved the part about the "Cheesy Chinese" comment hahaha
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Dan Hawaii
12-15-09, 12:21
Santa,
In a Chinese business environment, when you are invited to KTV, you are not expected to pay anything, except maybe your girl since I've heard some Chinese think it bad luck to pay these services for someone else. Offering to pay a share would be an insult and loss of face for the host. The same applies to dinner in this scenario.
OAH
I actually experience this in Vietnam. It really is a "face" thing and also a "circle" friendship thing. But for a foreigner, it seems so hard to keep track of stuff like that. I mean, what if someone misses a couple of the parties? He still needs to pay when it is his turn? And I know the bill is always a different amount all the time. So how can it be fair?
(But I think some friends do it like this..., one guy pays the bill, but they split it equally later, behind the scenes.)
Anyways, I like the attitude where, "if you play, you pay". IE, the "American Style", pay your share of the bill. I also take into account someones financial situation, I mean, I don't mind paying more if a cool friend is struggling financially. It's not pity, it's just a helping hand. To me, friendship, laughter, and fun is more important than just a few bucks. Well, that's how I roll.
I usually go with a planned set of friends to CP, and I sometimes invite an aquaitance, and never expect him to pay and my set group of friends usually don't mind. I mean, what is $10 usd split amoung 5 people? Peanuts.
I would give up every penny I own for eternal happiness. And I'm happy when I'm partying with good friends.
Oh yeah - I remember now - with the view of the beach and the McDonald's in the shopping plaza downstairs.
Actually I had a pretty good time there a couple times with my ex-GF - but damn if I know where the action is around Damiesha. It's a zoo on Summer Week-ends there though and highlight of our stays at Dameisha had only been the Pigeon/squab meals!!
What were you doing there in the middle of nowhere? I've gone back there a few times after golf games etc but realy couldn't locate any action at all. Where and what did you "enjoy" yourself whilst there? It'd certainly be great info the next time I play at Wind Valley!
SEAJ
When I first started going there, the McDonald's wasn't even open yet.
Anyway, I had some business with a factory in Yantian, but they've moved since to Huadu.
The info I have is a few years old, so I don't know if it's good anymore. Anyway, if you go down to Shameisha (might be xiaomeisha, forgot what the character looked like), there's a couple of smaller hotels. Both hotels had small KTVs in them. In the old days, my friend and I used to go there, and literally get every girl there, even the uggos, like 10-15, and drink ourselves silly. Then we'd take the girls to the beach and drink some more over there. It was a lot of fun on those hot summer nights.
Santa,
In a Chinese business environment, when you are invited to KTV, you are not expected to pay anything, except maybe your girl since I've heard some Chinese think it bad luck to pay these services for someone else. Offering to pay a share would be an insult and loss of face for the host. The same applies to dinner in this scenario.
Other guys, like Moody for example, normally operate under the same scenario and pay the whole bill. Since he goes to KTV with his mates nearly every night, they take turns paying the bill. They don't seem to mind if an extra guy or two freeload on their party. It may be that they drink so much that whatever the extra guy(s) drink is such a small percentage of the bill, it doesn't matter. That said, it does make you feel guilty being a freeloader and you offer to pay the whole bill too once in awhile.
The case in discussion now is a bunch of guys that may or may not all know each other getting together for KTV and sharing the bill. I can understand that some may think that by me coming and drinking a beer and eating some fruit, it increases their cost for the night. So lately, unless I know all of the guys at the KTV pretty well, I generally do not "stop by" for a visit.
Just my POV.
OAH
When my Chinese friends and I get together, the way it usually goes is like this. The host pays for the whole thing. By that, I mean both the bill and all the tips, unless a guy is taking his girl back. As you mentioned, it's considered back luck to pay for someone else's fuck. As for offering to pay, I don't think it's considered an insult. It is however considered an insult to the guest if the host lets him pay though. Most of the time I'm out with my Chinese friends, dinner and KTV is part of the parcel.
As for me and my non-Chinese friends, if we invite somebody to join us, we don't expect them to pay, except maybe tip their girl if they get one. It's not just because we probably drink most of the of booze, it's basically because we're the hosts. As for taking turns paying the bill, it's not really like that. There's no set round robin or anything. A guy just knows when it's his time. I certainly hope nobody we invite feels like a freeloader, because we certainly enjoy the company and we certainly don't expect anybody else to pay.
In situations when it's a bunch of foreigners who don't know each other getting together, I guess it's most fair to split the bill or whatever. I don't really go to a lot these kinds of things, but the few times I have, I have offered to pay whatever my share was and done so to whoever organized the thing. I don't mind paying a pro-rated share or whatever, but I think it's a bit overboard if they start counting how many drinks you had and stuff like that.
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.
I don't know the ktv scene too well, so i very much appreciate you guys clearing things up. Of course, every party is different and rules may vary. I guess things can also depend on individual attitudes, temperaments, finances and alcohol consumption.
Hope to see you guys again soon.
OldAsiaHand
12-16-09, 04:47
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Years ago, they used to do this all the time. Nowadays, it is very rare but does happen on a case by case basis. Normally, if the hotel has good relationship with LE, they will get advance notice and advise their guests.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
I have never heard of a punter getting busted inside a BBS looking at the merchandise. I think the chances are slim that you will be busted walking down the street with a BBS girl. It is always an option to have the girl come to your room from the BBS by herself. I have seen BBS get busted and asked to stay in the room until it was over. I was lucky that LE either did not know where to look or did not take it further to look in the rooms nearby where the acts are performed. I was also caught in the middle of a BBS raid in SZ once and was just asked by LE to leave the area.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.
Many of the saunas are now using their normal hotel rooms for service. Nearly all the saunas in hotels will offer you personal room service is you want. I would not want to get caught in a sauna room in the middle of the act. IMHO, this is the most risky since it is obvious what you are doing there.
Just my POV.
OAH
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.
I have never met anybody who has gotten busted by cops for getting a hooker. That's not to imply it's never happened, just that it's not a common occurrence. I would think you would have to be extremely unlucky for it to happen to you.
-M
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.
I remember a few years back that guys on this forum living in Beijing were reporting that police were going to hotels and nightclubs and some arrests were made.
Also remember that in Beijng and Shenzhen police were going to private apartments to check for residency permits, status of roommates, etc.
I think that is correct.
Fast Eddie 48
12-16-09, 07:13
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? Do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.
Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
Or is the main chance of getting busted with a BBS gal stepping inside the BBS to check out the goods? If that's the case, maybe it would be wise to just walk in, choose the girl, and give her your hotel and room number for her to meet you there.
How about for Sauna, would they consider sending the gal up to your personal room (if same hotel) these days given the raids? Do you know any places that do that?
I'd appreciate any ideas you guys have that might keep things safe. Thanks.To Lost99,
Hotel raid do happen but are very rare in most case is a scam to get money from monger, the girl will work with LE to set up the john, in many case the hotel manager is also in on this scam.
Fast Eddie 48
[QUOTE=Lost99]Forgive me if this has already been covered, but I didn't see an answer posted.
I know that for Raids, its common for them to target Saunas and KTV's. However, what if you take a BBS gal back to your private hotel room.
Do the LE randomly knock on various people's hotel rooms looking for WG's?
Do they really goto that extreme? I really find it hard to believe they would go checking on every hotel room, but its not for me to say as I have no personal experience.
In China and Vietnam, it is an offence to be spending the night with a local woman in your hotel room unless she is your wife.
A couple of years ago, I was in Humen Town (Dongguan) when there was a raid conducted on all hotels. The LE actually went on knocked on all rooms in each and every on of the hotels including the 5 Star Taiwanese owned Gand Noble Hotel. Quite a few guys and ladies were taken away during this raid. The only hotel that was spared was the Lung Chuen International Hotel as this hotel was owned by a senior local governor. The LE did went into this hotel but they only checked the night spots and hotel lobby and did not go up into the rooms.
SE Asia Joe
12-16-09, 10:12
Years ago, they used to do this all the time. Nowadays, it is very rare but does happen on a case by case basis. Normally, if the hotel has good relationship with LE, they will get advance notice and advise their guests........
Many of the saunas are now using their normal hotel rooms for service. Nearly all the saunas in hotels will offer you personal room service is you want. I would not want to get caught in a sauna room in the middle of the act. IMHO, this is the most risky since it is obvious what you are doing there.
Just my POV.
OAH
Correct me if I am wrong/out of date - but I asked this question of my retained lawyer a few years back when I had some Biz in Beijing.
He replied that in China - even your hotel room itself is considered public space and thus the LE has the RIGHT to enter any and all hotel rooms. On the other hand, the bathroom in the hotel room is NOT considered public space and thus, technically, even if they raid your hotel room - as is their RIGHT - they cannot bust down the toliet door to arrest you!! They just got to wait for you to come out!!
I know I know, ridiculous, but that is what I was told - but of course at least 5 years back. And as far as actually checking hotel rooms - yes I do believe that the lower the grade of the hotel, the more chance of it being raided. But approx 8 years ago, I did have a knock on the door (a couple LE's with the hotel assistant manager in tow with his master key) and an "inspection" at the Foshan Hotel - the highest grade hotel in Foshan at the time and I believe still pretty highly starred even today. Luckily I was NOT with anybody and as such nothing happened, but even up to today, I'm still wondering if I HAD been caught, what would have happened. I also wonder if I would have been "inspected" if I had stayed at the New/higher priced wing i/o the old wing which was cheaper/older/has now been torn down/replaced.
OTH, a year or so ago, a Hong Kong Politician actually got caught in his hotel room in SZ with a hooker and he got arrested and jailed and it made a big splash in the papers. They even published his pictures half naked on his bed when they arrested him!! Don't know if he got caught as part of a general "Yellow sweep" or if there was some politics involved. In any case, it pretty well answers the question if you can get in trouble if they find you with a gal at your hotel room/if it still happens. Yes you will get into trouble - but I'm not sure if this is still a common thing or not.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
In China and Vietnam, it is an offence to be spending the night with a local woman in your hotel room unless she is your wife.
I can't speak for Vietnam. As for China: Bunk.
In China, nobody will check marriage certificates if you check into a hotel with your girlfriend, local or otherwise. 10 years ago, unmarried couples in hotel rooms may have fallen under the intentionally ambiguous "hooliganism" clause. Today, nobody cares.
Prostitution remains illegal in China.
Also remember that in Beijng and Shenzhen police were going to private apartments to check for residency permits, status of roommates, etc.
This had nothing to do with the sport. Pre-Olympics and pre-60th anniversary, large scale sweeps were conducted to round up unregistered folk. As long as you had your registration slip, they saluted and went on to the next door.
Bob Builder
12-16-09, 13:29
Correct me if I am wrong/out of date - but I asked this question of my retained lawyer a few years back when I had some Biz in Beijing.
He replied that in China - even your hotel room itself is considered public space and thus the LE has the RIGHT to enter any and all hotel rooms. On the other hand, the bathroom in the hotel room is NOT considered public space and thus, technically, even if they raid your hotel room - as is their RIGHT - they cannot bust down the toliet door to arrest you!! They just got to wait for you to come out!!
I know I know, ridiculous, but that is what I was told - but of course at least 5 years back. And as far as actually checking hotel rooms - yes I do believe that the lower the grade of the hotel, the more chance of it being raided. But approx 8 years ago, I did have a knock on the door (a couple LE's with the hotel assistant manager in tow with his master key) and an "inspection" at the Foshan Hotel - the highest grade hotel in Foshan at the time and I believe still pretty highly starred even today. Luckily I was NOT with anybody and as such nothing happened, but even up to today, I'm still wondering if I HAD been caught, what would have happened. I also wonder if I would have been "inspected" if I had stayed at the New/higher priced wing i/o the old wing which was cheaper/older/has now been torn down/replaced.
OTH, a year or so ago, a Hong Kong Politician actually got caught in his hotel room in SZ with a hooker and he got arrested and jailed and it made a big splash in the papers. They even published his pictures half naked on his bed when they arrested him!! Don't know if he got caught as part of a general "Yellow sweep" or if there was some politics involved. In any case, it pretty well answers the question if you can get in trouble if they find you with a gal at your hotel room/if it still happens. Yes you will get into trouble - but I'm not sure if this is still a common thing or not.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Are you sure it was a guy in Shenzhen or was it the one that caught in a the 5 star hotel in Tai Ping where he did work with a factory and was caught with his mainland mistress? That was not a matter of luck.
So its better to share an apartment.
SE Asia Joe
12-16-09, 16:19
Are you sure it was a guy in Shenzhen or was it the one that caught in a the 5 star hotel in Tai Ping where he did work with a factory and was caught with his mainland mistress? That was not a matter of luck.
So its better to share an apartment.
Actually I've forgotten the actual details - all I remember is the picture in the magazine of him on the bed half clothed, supposedly when he was caught and arrested and that he was a political figure in Hong Kong.
Thereby my mentioning if nobody can be sure if it was just a de rigeur yellow sweep or if there's a political angle to it all - but that In any case, it does highlight the fact that one can - and DO - get arrested for sex outside of marriage.
Come to think of it - isn't there some kind of law that adultery is against the law in China and that there has been cases of abandoned wives putting husbands in jail for committing adultery? Just thought of that!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-16-09, 16:26
I can't speak for Vietnam. As for China: Bunk.
In China, nobody will check marriage certificates if you check into a hotel with your girlfriend, local or otherwise. 10 years ago, unmarried couples in hotel rooms may have fallen under the intentionally ambiguous "hooliganism" clause. Today, nobody cares.
Prostitution remains illegal in China.
Sorry Zhuren - but I disagree.
Perhaps, yes, for the kind of hotels that you stay at - as I've checked in to higher graded hotels with no hassles.
BUT I tried to check into a 2 or less star hotel close to the train station in Guangzhou East just a few months back with a girl - and they insisted that if I do not have a marriage certificate, that they will NOT check us in...... and it was too late for me to say that she was my daughter!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-16-09, 16:51
I have never met anybody who has gotten busted by cops for getting a hooker. That's not to imply it's never happened, just that it's not a common occurrence. I would think you would have to be extremely unlucky for it to happen to you.
-M
Eeeerrrr..... Could it be that mebbe, just mebbe it's because all those guys who WERE busted has gotten that nasty chop on their passports and thus are now not allowed back into China??
Just a thought/apologize if I'm perhaps being just a li'l bit facetious!!
LOL!!
SEAJ
Eeeerrrr..... Could it be that mebbe, just mebbe it's because all those guys who WERE busted has gotten that nasty chop on their passports and thus are now not allowed back into China??
Just a thought/apologize if I'm perhaps being just a li'l bit facetious!!
LOL!!
SEAJ
Well, I would think anybody with any smarts would just get himself a new passport or just rip out that page.
Well, I would think anybody with any smarts would just get himself a new passport or just rip out that page.
Even if you try to get rid of the evidence, I believe your name also goes into a database. The next time around for another visa might be denied.
BUT I tried to check into a 2 or less star hotel close to the train station in Guangzhou East just a few months back with a girl - and they insisted that if I do not have a marriage certificate, that they will NOT check us in...... and it was too late for me to say that she was my daughter!!
SEAJ
Well, there should be a law that precludes foreigners from frequenting anything less than 3 stars ...
There possibly is: The adventurous and backpacking sons of my partners told me that twice were they told by police in the deep boonies to go to a better hotel, because the one they chose was not suitable for a foreign guest. Once, they were even chauffeured to the more suitable lodging.
That "marriage certificate" thing is just an excuse to not admit a couple that doesn't look the part. Who carries the thing around?
OTH, a year or so ago, a Hong Kong Politician actually got caught in his hotel room in SZ with a hooker and he got arrested and jailed and it made a big splash in the papers. They even published his pictures half naked on his bed when they arrested him!! Don't know if he got caught as part of a general "Yellow sweep" or if there was some politics involved. In any case, it pretty well answers the question if you can get in trouble if they find you with a gal at your hotel room/if it still happens. Yes you will get into trouble - but I'm not sure if this is still a common thing or not.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Something like that had to have been rigged. I'm sure people who wanted him out made certain the right people followed him, had him photographed, had him arrested, and had it leaked to the press. It's very doubtful he was just unlucky and got caught in some kind of blanket raid.
Even if you try to get rid of the evidence, I believe your name also goes into a database. The next time around for another visa might be denied.
People in many countries have identical names. I personally know of at least 4 John Kim's. If they flag you, just say you're not that particular John Kim, or Jerry Seinfeld, or George Costanza or whatever. For Asian names, it's worse. For example, almost a fifth of all Koreans have either Kim or Lee as their surname. There isn't that much variation in first and middle names either.
Another option is to just change your name. It's not difficult. Just change it a little bit. Maybe if your name is John Robert Kim, you can change it to John R Kim or something like that.
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 06:20
Well, there should be a law that precludes foreigners from frequenting anything less than 3 stars ...
YES YES YES!!! I agree!! ROFLMAO!!
There possibly is: The adventurous and backpacking sons of my partners told me that twice were they told by police in the deep boonies to go to a better hotel, because the one they chose was not suitable for a foreign guest. Once, they were even chauffeured to the more suitable lodging.
That "marriage certificate" thing is just an excuse to not admit a couple that doesn't look the part. Who carries the thing around?
I'm not sure of this one - you know that in days gone past that there were "designated" hotels for foreingers and that foreigners were NOT allowed to stay anywhere but these places - as these designated places had evil things like CNN and BBC!!
The way laws are drawn up in China - I seriously doubt that this particular law had ever been rescinded or altered - they've just got too many important laws that had not even been considered, never mind actually promulgated.
There are also still existing and regularly carried out laws that requires hotels to register ALL their guests with the local Police Bureau with copies of their identity papers. Most of these lower class htoels will refuse foreign guests as they are not allowed to actually receive such guests. I've had to help out a son of a good friend of mine to check into such a hotel by phoning one of my local friends to do the actual checking in.
Yes the marriage certificate thing I agree is of course an excuse - but who really knows??!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 06:24
Something like that had to have been rigged. I'm sure people who wanted him out made certain the right people followed him, had him photographed, had him arrested, and had it leaked to the press. It's very doubtful he was just unlucky and got caught in some kind of blanket raid.
Yes I tend to agree with you - but the point I'm making is that there ARE still laws against this kind of thing and that indeed it could be carried out against you at any time.
I just wanted to point out that it is NOT legal - and that there IS a chance you could get caught. And all it takes is one miffed or unsatisfied party to complain - and you're in deep doo doo.
On top of everything else, laws in China are NOT applied equally in all jurisdictions/areas. Like in Beijing ( Zhuren - perhaps you can confirm this), my friends there tell me to ALWAYS take separate cabs when bringing a gal back to the hotel as there are quite a few road blocks where they'd really grill you if you are in the company of a suspected WG. And you will actually get into trouble for even just being in the same taxi as a WG. Can you imagine the possibility of this happening in Chang Ping? Hell, they'd have permanent gridlock in the li'l place!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 06:36
Just got back from a couple days up there and I'm hearing that things seems to all be back to normal. Naked KTV's, BBS's, saunas etc.
Even the general atmosphere seems to have improved with trains going up and down there quite full (what's with all the Japanese going up there - men AND women), the taxis scarce and the gals all over the place strutting their stuff. Hope this is not a bad thing - as I've heard mentioned often this time around,that if the Central Government is not satisfied with the effort of the local government, that they will send down their own guys to REALLY do a proper clean-up.
BTW - (I had basically forgotten this) - but when you are more than one and you go to the Pozolim for a footsie, ask them for a coupon for a free footsie the next time. I asked for it last night and no problem to get it - Making Pozolim a really cheap place to go to for a nice relaxing session. They're even right now re-decorating and expanding the place a bit too!!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 07:14
As far as I know, a hotel can still demand to see a marriage certificate if you are checking in together. That said, I've not been asked for one in years. When I am traveling with freebies, I normally check in alone although I do remember being asked for my companion's ID card in Shanghai one time. I wonder what that was about?
Depending on the hotel and location, a hotel can enforce a "No unregistered guests in the room" after a certain hour policy if they want. Some of 5 star hotels still enforce this.
Unless they are looking for some other criminal activity or it is a set-up, the chances of LE coming into your hotel room nowadays is very slim. I remember seeing LE at reception of the Clipper in CP asking them to look at the guest list. They were comparing it to a list they brought with them. I wonder what that was about?
As SEAJ says, hotels below a certain level (normally no stars) are not allowed to accept foreign guests. They need a special permit for this and are supposed to register foreign guests with local government. However, most of these hotels will make an exception and take a chance.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 07:27
On top of everything else, laws in China are NOT applied equally in all jurisdictions/areas. Like in Beijing ( Zhuren - perhaps you can confirm this), my friends there tell me to ALWAYS take separate cabs when bringing a gal back to the hotel as there are quite a few road blocks where they'd really grill you if you are in the company of a suspected WG. And you will actually get into trouble for even just being in the same taxi as a WG. Can you imagine the possibility of this happening in Chang Ping? Hell, they'd have permanent gridlock in the li'l place!!
SEAJ
SEAJ,
Beijing, Circa 1995
"An overseas Chinese was detained late tonight for sharing a taxi with a reputed prostitute. Mr. Wang was stopped at a roadblock on XXX road and was found in the company of a young girl he could not identify to authorities. He is being held subject to negotiation of the "fine". The girl was sentenced to 6 years hard labor.
This has not happened in years.
Just my POV.
OldAsiaHand
12-17-09, 07:39
I do not want to portray a false sense of security, however, if one maintains a relatively low key approach to mongering and keeps alert and vigilant in China it is pretty difficult, not impossible, to get busted nowadays.
What I mean is that one should not flaunt it, especially during crackdown periods. And, one should play by the rules and not cross the wrong people who may seek revenge. What may be acceptable in other places may be inappropriate in China. If you want to monger in China, you should do your homework.
After all, the bottom line is that it is still illegal.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 07:55
SEAJ,
Beijing, Circa 1995
"An overseas Chinese was detained late tonight for sharing a taxi with a reputed prostitute. Mr. Wang was stopped at a roadblock on XXX road and was found in the company of a young girl he could not identify to authorities. He is being held subject to negotiation of the "fine". The girl was sentenced to 6 years hard labor.
This has not happened in years.
Just my POV.
????? HUH??????
My AGE?
I think you're mistaking me for somebody else.
AsnDragon perhaps?
Please think back the many times you've met me; like I posted just a couple or so months ago
".....I am SEAJ - And for those who wants to meet me, I am 25 years old, 6'2", 185 lbs, works out daily at the gym and practice tae kwon do/karate Sundays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Thai Kick boxing Mondays and Fridays. I am blue eyed, blond and come from Sweden......"
Or are you telling me that I'm just a young pup who don't know nuthin' - in which case, I'd have to @#$#%^# reluctantly agree.
Respects to OLD Asian Hand,
Apologetically young
SEAJ
SEAJ,
Beijing, Circa 1995
"An overseas Chinese was detained late tonight for sharing a taxi with a reputed prostitute. Mr. Wang was stopped at a roadblock on XXX road and was found in the company of a young girl he could not identify to authorities. He is being held subject to negotiation of the "fine". The girl was sentenced to 6 years hard labor.
This has not happened in years.
Just my POV.
Is this still happening often now in Beijing ? Is it still advised to take separate taxis in BJ.
I was in Foshan early this year. There was a road block by LE. My friend told me they were randomly stopping cars for drunk driving. So, I am guessing they could question you if you have a hot date in your car too?
Last month, there were reports of LE stopping cars in CP. I guess they could do the same by asking you and the girl tons of questions.
Dan Hawaii
12-17-09, 10:41
I remember in the year 2000, the Chinese Government came down hard on CP prostitution. And they were very successful. All the hookers left and mongering ceased to exist in CP.
Then what happened??? Poor old CP was going bankrupt, in shambles, and on the tilt of collapse. The government did not realize how important and profound the prostitution industry had on CP. So they let if flourish again.
IMHO... The government will not have a problem shutting down this profession. They can snap their fingers and it will be gone, fast. But they won't, because they know what made CP and knows the economic engine that drives this town. The point is... the govenment will not kill a flourishing town.
OAH,
I think you may have mistaken me for SEAJoe. The last time I saw SEAJoe, I remember him being quite a young fellow. When i was talking to him, his girl must have thought that I was his grandfather or something. But there's something i learn every day...that SEAJoe is a Swedish guy who knows thai kickboxing, that's useful to know. Whenever I'm out late at night, I'm just going to walk next to SEAJoe and just his sheer height and muscle mass protects me and all mongering brother who walk around the streets with him.
AsnDragon
????? HUH??????
My AGE?
I think you're mistaking me for somebody else.
AsnDragon perhaps?
Please think back the many times you've met me; like I posted just a couple or so months ago
".....I am SEAJ - And for those who wants to meet me, I am 25 years old, 6'2", 185 lbs, works out daily at the gym and practice tae kwon do/karate Sundays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Thai Kick boxing Mondays and Fridays. I am blue eyed, blond and come from Sweden......"
Or are you telling me that I'm just a young pup who don't know nuthin' - in which case, I'd have to @#$#%^# reluctantly agree.
Respects to OLD Asian Hand,
Apologetically young
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 11:45
I remember in the year 2000, the Chinese Government came down hard on CP prostitution. And they were very successful. All the hookers left and mongering ceased to exist in CP.
Then what happened??? Poor old CP was going bankrupt, in shambles, and on the tilt of collapse. The government did not realize how important and profound the prostitution industry had on CP. So they let if flourish again.
IMHO... The government will not have a problem shutting down this profession. They can snap their fingers and it will be gone, fast. But they won't, because they know what made CP and knows the economic engine that drives this town. The point is... the govenment will not kill a flourishing town.
I'm not really sure if you've got your facts correct or not; If I remember correctly, the last really big crackdown - which should have been 2000 as you say - was a result of one of the PLA general's sons getting beaten up in a KTV here and the father sent down a battalion to really do damage all over CP.
It was NOT a Central Government initiative and thus there was no follow up on the actionand thus no lasting damage. But it was NOT because the "Government" "...... know what made CP and knows the economic engine that drives this town. The point is... the govenment will not kill a flourishing town...." It was an action by someone who was indeed high up the food Chain in the Central government - but not by the Central government itself. Also, the local government was certainly NOT a part of all that happened there as they could only sit and watch helplessly, and just picked up the "pieces" as well as they could - and thus the revival of CP.
And make no mistake about what the Chinese govenrment CAN and Do do if it was the will and concensus of the players in "the Government"; they would meticulously plan and carry it out precisely and effectively.
An example is of course ShaTsui in Shenzhen, and it was even only a City government action. They took very harsh action against prostitution, ktv's, saunas etc there and right away replaced the action with residential and regular commercial activity - whereby theYellow trade there is now only a shadow of its prior self, but "regular" activities have for the most part replaced such action.
Just IMHO of course - but I AM worried about the future of our "hobby" in China - and on a personal level - what's the future in Southern China especially C.P.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-17-09, 11:51
OAH,
I think you may have mistaken me for SEAJoe. The last time I saw SEAJoe, I remember him being quite a young fellow. When i was talking to him, his girl must have thought that I was his grandfather or something. But there's something i learn every day...that SEAJoe is a Swedish guy who knows thai kickboxing, that's useful to know. Whenever I'm out late at night, I'm just going to walk next to SEAJoe and just his sheer height and muscle mass protects me and all mongering brother who walk around the streets with him.
AsnDragon
OLD A.H. - See?? See?? See what I said??!!
Good God man - I'll kick box and kung Fu flatten you out if you ever mistake me for a lecherous old man like you again!!
Good Grief!!
SEAJ
Ps. And AsnDragon likes to shadow me as he KNOWS I'm just a Chick magnet!!
Bob Builder
12-17-09, 17:53
I'm not really sure if you've got your facts correct or not; If I remember correctly, the last really big crackdown - which should have been 2000 as you say - was a result of one of the PLA general's sons getting beaten up in a KTV here and the father sent down a battalion to really do damage all over CP.
It was NOT a Central Government initiative and thus there was no follow up on the actionand thus no lasting damage. But it was NOT because the "Government" "...... know what made CP and knows the economic engine that drives this town. The point is... the govenment will not kill a flourishing town...." It was an action by someone who was indeed high up the food Chain in the Central government - but not by the Central government itself. Also, the local government was certainly NOT a part of all that happened there as they could only sit and watch helplessly, and just picked up the "pieces" as well as they could - and thus the revival of CP.
And make no mistake about what the Chinese govenrment CAN and Do do if it was the will and concensus of the players in "the Government"; they would meticulously plan and carry it out precisely and effectively.
An example is of course ShaTsui in Shenzhen, and it was even only a City government action. They took very harsh action against prostitution, ktv's, saunas etc there and right away replaced the action with residential and regular commercial activity - whereby theYellow trade there is now only a shadow of its prior self, but "regular" activities have for the most part replaced such action.
Just IMHO of course - but I AM worried about the future of our "hobby" in China - and on a personal level - what's the future in Southern China especially C.P.
SEAJ
Sha Tsui was in the Hong Kong papers every day with the shit that was happening there and was too high profile and visible. Stabbings every day and that dumb Hong Kong cop who got arrested there. I knew people who were in the local SZ media who told me when raids were being carried out as they accompanied the LE. Just remember the locals at Sha Tsui got too big for their boots in the end when they even tried kicking the LE out of the village. The most logical place for monger central is Lo Wu village but see how that place is relatively low profile and will never get bigger as it is too visible being next to the rail station.
Sa Tsui disappeared and Sa Wan's business went up expotentially, even to the point where Sa Tsui gals who moved there were charging a premium. The sitting fee at Sa Wan was RMB100 and with Sa Tsui customers moving there it increased from 100 - 150 - 200 over the period of a year.
Like in Beijing ( Zhuren - perhaps you can confirm this), my friends there tell me to ALWAYS take separate cabs when bringing a gal back to the hotel as there are quite a few road blocks where they'd really grill you if you are in the company of a suspected WG. And you will actually get into trouble for even just being in the same taxi as a WG.
Shenme?
The only place where two taxis are required is Hollywood ... part of their scam.
Sammy drives around town with busloads of girls.
At the roadblocks, they are checking for drunk drivers. Taxis are being waved through.
The SE in asia joe is SWEDEN as you see on the back of the cars, right?
How much can you press nowadays Joe?
"Tall, young, blue-eyed blond, BSD from Sweden, giving out free Nokias". No wonder he is so friggin' popular!
He totally ruins it for the rest of us. :mad:
Agreed! SEAJose does ruin it for all of us! How do we compete with a tall blond swedish guy, who gives his girls small gifts and romances them at the amusement park for the whole day. Probably holding hands walking through the park or going on a Ferris wheel, all while sharing an ice cream cone with his girl. Apparently, young guys like him could teach old timers like us a thing of two about picking up chicks.
P.S.--Yes I do like to hang out with SEAJoe as he IS the chick magnet. Apparently, hanging out with him affords me the opportunity to pick up his left over girls that he's tired of. That and his "Adonis" like body gives us brother all a good sense of protection during the late nights in CP when we walk with him.
AsnDragon
"Tall, young, blue-eyed blond, BSD from Sweden, giving out free Nokias". No wonder he is so friggin' popular!
He totally ruins it for the rest of us. :mad:
RCA Knight
12-18-09, 04:52
A friend who just passed through CP also mentioned to me the presence of real Korean gals in a several of the top saunas. Yes, they are real from Korea. The sauna manager said some of them are on an exchange program from HK, I guess maybe from the prestigious 141 institution. Can't wait to check it out.
SE Asia Joe
12-18-09, 11:10
The SE in asia joe is SWEDEN as you see on the back of the cars, right?
How much can you press nowadays Joe?
Press? Nothing more than 110 Lbs as I want to keep this lithe and well honed body UN-muscle-bound and limber enough for any action - and besides which - i don't really like 'em chubby
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-18-09, 11:12
"tall, young, blue-eyed blond, bsd from sweden, giving out free nokias". no wonder he is so friggin' popular!
he totally ruins it for the rest of us. :mad:
what's a few little trinkets for these waifs?
i don't even need to get free peeks - they just drop trou anytime anywhere then
seaj
SE Asia Joe
12-18-09, 11:14
Agreed! SEAJose does ruin it for all of us! How do we compete with a tall blond swedish guy, who gives his girls small gifts and romances them at the amusement park for the whole day. Probably holding hands walking through the park or going on a Ferris wheel, all while sharing an ice cream cone with his girl. Apparently, young guys like him could teach old timers like us a thing of two about picking up chicks.
P.S.--Yes I do like to hang out with SEAJoe as he IS the chick magnet. Apparently, hanging out with him affords me the opportunity to pick up his left over girls that he's tired of. That and his "Adonis" like body gives us brother all a good sense of protection during the late nights in CP when we walk with him.
AsnDragon
Ahhhhh..... yes.... but the wisdom you bestow on them all, the kindly countenance you be-still their hearts with - and of course that winning smile of yours - Dem's your killer weapons!!
SEAJ
RCA Knight,
Are they really Koreans? I know there's a whole lot of Chinese that go to South Korea for a while and do a whole round trip back to China/Hong Kong to work again. Even if they were Koreans, I have this pre-conception of Koreans to be very artificial and fake. Most of them have plastic surgeries on their face and bought themselves a bolt-on pair of silicone as well. Sure they look great overall, but it sort of takes away from the whole reason why we come to China right? We come to China for the abundance of natural beauties in China, where you find most of the Chinese girls to be 100% natural or at least 90% natural. Of course this is just my personal stereotype from my experience, where 95 out of 100 Koreans girls i've been with had fake boobs or one type of plastic surgery or another.
But I do agree though, Koreans in CP do bring about a certain novelty I suppose. But If i come to China, I prefer to be with girls that I can carry a conversation with.
just my personal Opinion
AsnDragon
A friend who just passed through CP also mentioned to me the presence of real Korean gals in a several of the top saunas. Yes, they are real from Korea. The sauna manager said some of them are on an exchange program from HK, I guess maybe from the prestigious 141 institution. Can't wait to check it out.
RCA Knight
12-18-09, 17:51
When I first heard, I was skeptical. I immediately thought another commercial gimmik posing ethnic Koreans from China's northeast as real Koreans. But my globetrotter pal saw them and determined they are real.
But these K girls are no naive little girls fresh from flesh trade. My pal heard from a sauna manager, these girls also work under 141 or similar umbrellas in HK or Macau and many make a visa run for a while to CP before returning to HK. There must be some very complicated network behind all these.
The price not cheap in CP either, 1000 or so. I had several Koreans in the past in HK through 141 or some pimps. The K working girls use lots of make ups, more than Chinese girls, and in general more physical in sex, less sweet, more demanding, tougher in character. I guess more or less just the female version of male Korean character.
I would not use K girls too often because always lacking some sort of sweetness and feminism. But would try them when I want some tougher rougher physical sex.
BTW, those work in 141 all speak pretty good English.
I would imagine that South Koreans could make more money in South Korea. No?
Agreed! SEAJose does ruin it for all of us! How do we compete with a tall blond swedish guy, who gives his girls small gifts and romances them........
going on a Ferris wheel, all while sharing an ice cream cone with his girl.
AsnDragon
Ferris wheels and ice cream???
Geez, the thought makes me want to vomit! :eek:
Chocha Monger
12-19-09, 06:42
I would imagine that South Koreans could make more money in South Korea. No?
I would think that they make more per customer in South Korea but maybe they get more volume in China?
The mamasan bought in 6 korean girls and I chose the best one (none of them were wearing too much make up, none of them had surgery, and mine was a better sexual experience than many of the Chinese girls i have experienced so far). Her body was just about perfect.
My friends wanted to see more girls and so the mommie brought in some Chinese girls (very nice too actually)....the guys decided on going for Koreans also but by the time they made this decision all the koreans had gone (about 5 minutes).
So yes they are very popular and i am sure the volume is high.
RCA Knight
12-19-09, 13:52
There are also many real Japanese, Korean and even Scandinavian girls working in HK and Macau. They can get so much volume they can buy condo and car working just a year overseas. I once needed to wait for 3 fokking weeks before I could get an appointment for a gorgeous 141 JP girl who is not even on the website. So many repeating customers. I had her 3 times in a 4 months time span, because I could not get any appointment sooner than that. Many these girls prefer to work overseas because when they go back home they are still the good homely girls next door but with loaded golds.
Big Swingin Dave
12-22-09, 03:50
Went to the regular 2/F "Display area" at the Jun Hui at approx 4:30 pm yesterday - just on time to be herded downstairs with the rest of the last group of girls into the 1/f room of the Manager! (most had already gone down)
Apparently something was "happening" and they were taking precautions. No, the KTV rooms at the back of the joint was not good enough, now they got the gals in the G/F manager's room and behind electonically locked doors! If you went to the Jun Hui yesterday for gals, you should turn left at the first alley (parallel to Swan Lake road) before you go to the front entrance and go in the side door. Don't know if they're gonna continue this for a while or not - and so I thought I'd give this direction to save you a bit of walking around time.
Anyway, when I got into the room, I walked into a scene of a sort of comical chaos; a couple of gals were arguing with a mommie about how the business is so lousy nowadays that they couldn't even earn RMB 5,000 month - and that they had to cover all living as well as work expenses like make-up, hair etc and that they may as well be back at the factory where they got no other expenses!! Amazing scene - when for practically the first time I saw mommies flabbergasted and not really able to counter/reply back!!
That's how lousy things are in CP after the crack downs now!!
From what I gathered, the mommies were just taking regular precautions in herding the gals to this sort of secret location as according to Lien mommy, crackdowns are pretty common before usual festivals (X'mas is now a festival in China??!! LOL), when the LOCAL LE's needs a bit of spending money.
SEAJ
Bob Builder
12-22-09, 04:14
Went to the regular 2/F "Display area" at the Jun Hui at approx 4:30 pm yesterday - just on time to be herded downstairs with the rest of the last group of girls into the 1/f room of the Manager! (most had already gone down)
Apparently something was "happening" and they were taking precautions. No, the KTV rooms at the back of the joint was not good enough, now they got the gals in the G/F manager's room and behind electonically locked doors! If you went to the Jun Hui yesterday for gals, you should turn left at the first alley (parallel to Swan Lake road) before you go to the front entrance and go in the side door. Don't know if they're gonna continue this for a while or not - and so I thought I'd give this direction to save you a bit of walking around time.
Anyway, when I got into the room, I walked into a scene of a sort of comical chaos; a couple of gals were arguing with a mommie about how the business is so lousy nowadays that they couldn't even earn RMB 5,000 month - and that they had to cover all living as well as work expenses like make-up, hair etc and that they may as well be back at the factory where they got no other expenses!! Amazing scene - when for practically the first time I saw mommies flabbergasted and not really able to counter/reply back!!
That's how lousy things are in CP after the crack downs now!!
From what I gathered, the mommies were just taking regular precautions in herding the gals to this sort of secret location as according to Lien mommy, crackdowns are pretty common before usual festivals (X'mas is now a festival in China??!! LOL), when the LOCAL LE's needs a bit of spending money.
SEAJ
BSD is signing his posts as SEAJ now?
And the location is not so secret anymore if you believe those who say this forum is closely monitored.
Big Swingin Dave
12-22-09, 04:18
BSD is signing his posts as SEAJ now?
And the location is not so secret anymore if you believe those who say this forum is closely monitored.
Ooooops!! MY bad - I am using BSD's computer in CP right now and I forgot to sign off his name and signing on myself before making my report.
I hope this is no big deal
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-22-09, 10:20
Was at the Pen last night and I must say - it remains "good all around."
I brought "my own lunch box" and thus did not chose a gal myself - but just about ALL the gals chosen by my buddies (5 others) were "good quality" and of course more than fairly priced still at 2 5 8. The gals were playful, attentive and more important - receptive to just about anything that us guys wanted to do/did to them!!
By the way, got a room that has a balcony that overlooks the "main stage" where they have their schlocky performance etc - which I personally didn't enjoy - but which my "lunch box" and one or another one of the gals (a couple guys had multiple gals) enjoyed. It was also a nice break enabling us guys to once a while go out and put our arms around our gals whilst watching a bit of the show. I Highly recommend trying to get these type rooms with balconies when booking a kTV room.
We stayed quite a long time drinking that awful wine mixed with Sprite from 6:30 onwards and the bill came to RMB360 for each of us - inclusive of everything including lots of food (dinner for a couple guys) AND a birthday cake for one of the guys who just happened to be celebrating his birthday yesterday.
All in all the Peninsula is a good choice if you're not looking for something spectacularly different i.e. naked, stripping, raunchy etc. and like the regular KTV experience
SEAJ
I was in CP for too short a break last week and got together with the ISG-related gang (BSD, SEAJ, Slowerbetter, Hungryboy, Rwong and other non-ISG brothers). We visited:
- (New) Swan Lake (see earlier evaluation),
- Fu Hao (in Hotel Plutocrat!): this place is supposed to be the raunchiest with the topless session, etc. But it turned out to be the quietest night for us. I had picked up a 20yo stunner with a yellow tag (not going out because of her periods, again.). Damage: 400 + 200 for the girl; this is maybe the place with the least good amenities (although I understand that rooms are being renovated); anyway, you probably didn't come for the fruits tray;
- Miraton: no girls due to a strike by the mama's
- Manhattan, in the same street as Swan Lake, the best food and decent Tsing Tao beer (good fun girls, best party of the week, damage: 400, no girls fee since I had my picnic)
- Eurasia (Ou Jia): good too, first quiet, then great fun, picked for company a cute Hu Bei girl with the thinnest features you can imagine; Slowerbetter had pre-empted me for the cutest girl around; mine must have been the 2nd best – in the skinny category. Since he got her to join us the next day; Damage: 200 for the girl + 450 (the dubious drink of the day was Chival regal diluted in lemonade, purists beware)
- Virgin (Jun Yue): fewer girls but maybe more qualitative, my "gf" was accompanying me, but I indulged in 2 more girls for my list night. Virgin has smaller, more intimate rooms. Damage was: 2*200 for the girls, and 250 for the room.
No hot report here anymore since I had decided to stick for the whole stay with the same girl picked up on the first night in Swan Lake, my tribulations having somehow left the realm of mongering for higher (unattainable) reaches
So, what's the beef about CP? First, quantity: thousands of young girls available distributed in KTV's, sauna's, bbs, and other night market. Second, quality: the beauty of Chinese girls as such (beautiful hairless complexion, thin features, beautiful bush, etc.), the opportunity to enjoy a gf relationship with young, pretty, eager and genuine girls; as with a gf, the sex will be what you make of it, depending a lot on your suss: all positions are ok, trio's or more possible if you can bring it about; if you prefer to sleep alone, she will leave in the middle of the night after the deed; if you like it to linger on, she might stay, have breakfast with you and do one or more concluding sessions, in my case usually till 12:00am. Damage, in principle, ¥ 800 for the night – compare to what you are getting in Europe for € 80.
For me, this is what makes CP stand out. This being said, cheaper and/or sleazy stuff is also available, no problem, probably cheaper than in most places: for instance, 2 hours with a BBS girl in your room for ¥150 in the (central) Hui Mei area,. ¥200, elsewhere.
During my stay, BSD acted as the great orchestrator: for the KTV nights, he would do the headcount, book the room; I was happy to follow suit as it is fun to check out the different places and hang out with the same gang; I got in touch with BSD more by chance, through another brother; although I am quite single-minded in general, I appreciated his help, especially as a non-Chinese speaker. BSD would also throw in the ideas and lead the way for sauna visits, chicken runs, etc. For the most part, I did not join these as I was either too exhausted or busy (getting some performance enhancer – which I have never done – may not be bad idea to fully enjoy CP). A few times, we also had. Delicious. Lunch together, the best way to taste Chinese cuisine, as it is more an affair of multiple rather than individual dishes.
Of course, you can also go for it alone in CP: some KTV's have bars and you can save the room money and do pick-ups anyway (second choice?). Although, this would mean you miss the camaraderie between fellow brothers, having good parties without the noise and unwanted company; surprisingly, there was nothing kinky; it was all cool and relaxed. In a KTV, you may also – or not – get out of your usual reserve and try yourself at singing a song: be sure that it will be highly appreciated by the girls; you will also be able to warm up your prospective girl, boosting the GFE factor of your night session.
So guys, it's been a great time. I hope we can meet in CP or elsewhere many more times.
Thanks,
Bin Bin
SE Asia Joe
12-22-09, 14:16
To the Peninsula report below.
Actually, I thought we had a VERY good time - but now that I think about it, this has more to do with the mix of guys and the gentlemanly give and take that we all enjoyed, rather than the actual place/venue.
In order to not disclose true identities, I'd like to just describe who we were at the KTV. We comprised of a Young Singaporean but Internationally rated gymnast/now business man, A young (27 YO last night!) IT professional laowai from the States, an International legal professional with extensive dealings in China, A Fudan University Beijing Chinese/triathlon athlete with extensive International dealings and experience, Moi, and of course BS Dave to keep an eye on everything! But we there were ALL just mongers - and that was all we were last night. That was what brought us all together.
Somehow or other, we just seemed to buzz all night long - whether singing off key (ME!), playing stupid drinking games, dancing, watching our buddy do gymnastic moves (Wow - a body can move that way??!!) groping our gals or even singing stupid Happy Birthday TWICE coz the first time around somebody killed the KTV unit - we just seemed to hum and were "in the groove" all night long. Truly enjoyable.
This is of course versus SOME KTV nights when things just don't seem right, no matter what anyone of us try to do.
Apres KTV, we had our usual ritualistic midnight snack and were still in the groove - and discussed how our 'hobby' is such a strong glue that it binds us in good camaraderie and friendship.
True friendship, we concluded, only comes when guys were school buddies, in the army together AND when mongering brings guys together. All three situation when business, family, networking etc is totally out of the equation.
Mongering friends come together just because we all like to screw - nothing more!!
And .... I conclude that a buzz in a KTV can easily be achieved when everybody is united and fastidious in the pursuit of sex! So next time you go to a KTV AND want to enjoy yourself - leave everything outside the KTV room doors except your pursuit of a groovy time amongst like minded guys who also only want good sex!!
Just IMHO - and of course with part of my tongue in my cheek!!
SEAJ
To the Peninsula report below.
Actually, I thought we had a VERY good time - but now that I think about it, this has more to do with the mix of guys and the gentlemanly give and take that we all enjoyed, rather than the actual place/venue.
[...]
And .... I conclude that a buzz in a KTV can easily be achieved when everybody is united and fastidious in the pursuit of sex! So next time you go to a KTV AND want to enjoy yourself - leave everything outside the KTV room doors except your pursuit of a groovy time amongst like minded guys who also only want good sex!!
Just IMHO - and of course with part of my tongue in my cheek!!
SEAJDear Joe,
Quite coincidentally, I was making the same point in my last (sob) CP report. Which I understand is still in the tunnel of Jackson's approval procedure. I would add one thing: even in the thralls of unrestricted lust, it was particularly enjoyable that we were all showing a good sense of humour and respect (both for the gals and ourselves).
Miss you all, guys, cheers!
Member #1344
12-22-09, 15:44
Just a quick report. If you like saunas and spinners, you will love #77 at HuiMei. Less than 100 pounds, 5' tall and very nice breasts. Claims to be under 20 and I believe her. Good service As well. Hope you enjoy as much as I did.
On my last trip to CP, I managed to hook up with SEAJ, BSD, BinBIn and other brothers that I do not know their nick. Had a blast together even though I had to leave early.
Though I have been to CP several times a year since 2003 and can speak Mandarin and Cantonese, I can appreciate the kind of help that BSD can provide to newbies or non Chinese speaking brothers coming to CP.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and safe mongering.
By the way, got a room that has a balcony that overlooks the "main stage" where they have their schlocky performance etc - which I personally didn't enjoy - but which my "lunch box" and one or another one of the gals (a couple guys had multiple gals) enjoyed. It was also a nice break enabling us guys to once a while go out and put our arms around our gals whilst watching a bit of the show. I Highly recommend trying to get these type rooms with balconies when booking a kTV room.
Yes actually the rooms with the balcony are very nice there and a welcome change to the windowless chambers of most ktvs. note that Crown Prince also has similar balcony rooms for its show. nice for a break i agree..
good to hear bandao still has reasonable quality.
I went to CP for 1 night only on the way to go back to HK. I was trying to find the hotel last year that I stayed and got a nice cute gal for only 150yuans. But I could not find it at all, got tired and settled down with the first hotel I saw on CP avenue(CP dadao). Luckily it is only 100rmb. However no entertainment here, except the TV has a porn channel.
Then I came to LiWa jie to pick up some girls for 130rmb each, but quality not high, even low on my book.
Next afternoon, I wandered around my hotel and came to a bustling area. Mama got me on street then show me a string of about 12 girls. They re young and some are very cute! There is one who looks exactly like the tall cute girl who turned me down at hometown before!
I picked up 2, only 100rmb each. But yeah it should be 150 for 2 hours then.
We went to the hotel next door, 30rmb.
This is absolutely the one with much better quality than liwa jie. This can come close to chongqing in term of quality.
The street is Zhangyuan jie, near CP avenue. I have mama number, if you want then pm me.
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BlueDragon88
12-23-09, 15:04
On my last trip to CP, I managed to hook up with SEAJ, BSD, BinBIn and other brothers that I do not know their nick. Had a blast together even though I had to leave early.
Though I have been to CP several times a year since 2003 and can speak Mandarin and Cantonese, I can appreciate the kind of help that BSD can provide to newbies or non Chinese speaking brothers coming to CP.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all and safe mongering.Nice to hear you are having a good times.
Hope to join you in 2010.
SE Asia Joe
12-24-09, 10:05
First of all, I'd like to wish everybody here a very Merry Christmas and my wishes for a productive and safe mongering new year!
I've had a reason for a pause as far as the night market is concerned. And for those who may not know what we're talking about, when we say night market, we are referring to DongXingSanLu/ Tung Hing Saam Lo
Here the gals are 130 ST and depending on the time of the night, can be negotiated to as low as 250 for the rest of the evening/morning. This area, although it has its own "stable" of gals, also caters to the KTV gals who did NOT get picked for the night and just HAVE to make some money one way or the other that night.
This being the case, oft times, we've been able to pick some really good "quality" gals for a ridiculous price. The downside is that this area don't start to get hopping till quite late at night/early morning, is pretty squalid/scary (don't go there by yourself - REALLY!!), gets raided by the LE quite regularly AND worse of all, there's quite a high percentage of high/doped up gals - for drug addicted gals are the ones who gets desperate when they cain't get an income every single day.
Now..... High/doped up gals - I'm having a hard time coming to terms with doing these gals - and thus my reason for my pause. For one thing, I'm always worried about them being in possession of some drugs or another when I'm with them (and possibly get my young ass hauled off to jail with her!!), them OD'ing when right smack in the thralls of my passion, are diseased from injecting themselves, and robbing me or doing some other desperate criminal actions just to be able to satisfy their drug cravings.
You guys got any of my issues when going to the night market??
SEAJ
I was a kind of new comer here, went to pen and euroasia; and got quite amazed by their "model" quality gals, wondering if any one of the brothers have tried them, how are their attitudes and skills, justify the extra cost?
Pointpanic
12-24-09, 15:13
Merry Christmas to all of you ISG DG members!
And especially to you, young fella (SEAsiaJoe)! Wish I could be there to celebrate the Holidays with you and the girls. In the many trips to the night market that I have participated in over the past 4 years, while certainly not in the magnitude of you, Santa, Wadman or OAH, I can honestly say I have never had a lemon, drug addict as far as I could tell, or thief. Granted most of my picks were with the benefit of Bill Lee, Santa, you or Wadman's input and guidence so I have always been happy with the price, photos and service provided. I have never paid more than 400 for overnight with them after excellent service and much gratitude at the end. Most negotiated at 130 short time were tipped to 150 or 180 for service and taxi fare.
Wishing all of you a great and safe mongering New Year! And a Merry Shout Out to BS Dave!
Point
First of all, I'd like to wish everybody here a very Merry Christmas and my wishes for a productive and safe mongering new year!
I've had a reason for a pause as far as the night market is concerned. And for those who may not know what we're talking about, when we say night market, we are referring to DongXingSanLu/ Tung Hing Saam Lo
Here the gals are 130 ST and depending on the time of the night, can be negotiated to as low as 250 for the rest of the evening/morning...................
You guys got any of my issues when going to the night market??
SEAJ
One Eyed Man
12-25-09, 23:05
This area, although it has its own "stable" of gals, also caters to the KTV gals who did NOT get picked for the night and just HAVE to make some money one way or the other that night.
First what's-his-face finds it necessary to point out that the KTV girls we are smooching could have been working in a BBS during the day rimming customers, and now you tell us that our sweet, innocent Chinese KTV girls are out there selling their bodies like yesterday's meat. It's just too much to take!
SE Asia Joe
12-26-09, 05:09
First what's-his-face finds it necessary to point out that the KTV girls we are smooching could have been working in a BBS during the day rimming customers, and now you tell us that our sweet, innocent Chinese KTV girls are out there selling their bodies like yesterday's meat. It's just too much to take!
ROFLMAO!!!!
And a Merry Christmas to you too!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-26-09, 05:12
I was a kind of new comer here, went to pen and euroasia; and got quite amazed by their "model" quality gals, wondering if any one of the brothers have tried them, how are their attitudes and skills, justify the extra cost?
If this handle of yours is not some kind of an open invitation into a quagmire of some serious deep doo-doo - then I don't know what is!!
Again ROFLMAO!!
This is Christmas - not April Fool's day - for Crissakes!
SEAJ
Twiceaweek
12-26-09, 07:46
ROFLMAO!!!!
And a Merry Christmas to you too!!
SEAJSEAJ
Merry Christmas again.
Just starting out in ISG and was wondering how does one become a senior member here?
Thanks!
OldAsiaHand
12-26-09, 10:37
First what's-his-face finds it necessary to point out that the KTV girls we are smooching could have been working in a BBS during the day rimming customers, and now you tell us that our sweet, innocent Chinese KTV girls are out there selling their bodies like yesterday's meat. It's just too much to take!
One Eyed Man,
There seems to be a misconception among KTV aficionados that KTV girls are somehow better than other P4P alternatives. This may be based on the higher price paid or the "warming up" period spent with them in the KTV before the deed.
I've had lengthy debates on this subject with fellow mongers. Some tell me that they need the "romance" period before they do a girl in order to develop some chemistry. Others tell me that KTV girls are cleaner since they only go with one punter per day (although SEAJ's post puts doubt into that theory). Some say there are hotter looking girls in KTV and that they provide closer to a GFE experience.
IMHO, all of this is nonsense. I've had my share of good and bad with all types of providers at all price levels in China. KTV can be a fun way to party with your mates and the girls for an evening, but when it comes to quality and service, KTV girls are no better than the rest.
Just my POV.
OAH
Robin Mill
12-26-09, 13:59
I was in CP for about a week and a day in CA. Below are some reports of what I have encountered.
The streets are definitely not safe. I saw 2 robbers snatch an old lady bag. As they were running towards my direction into a small alley, I was thinking of tripping one of them by putting my foot out as they were running very fast. I will do that in my own country and expect passer-by to help. However, I think twice and cowardly watch them ran pass. As they were running pass, I saw one of them took out a black pen-like item from his jacket. I guess it must be a switch blade or something similar. I cannot imagine what will happen if I acted heroic and tripped one of them over.
This incident left a bitter taste and after-thought. If I had learned martial art or some Chinese Kung Fu, I could have stopped them.
The point is, don’t ever expect people to help, if you are being robbed. So, don’t use your mobile phone when you are walking on the street, don’t take out your wallet on the street and keep your phone and wallet deep in your pocket, where robber can’t even touch it.
For this trip, I attended 2 KTV hosted by BSDave. His contacts and expectations are valuable, as there will be no nonsense committed by the staffs from the KTV. My regular DJ has told me that pouring away alcohol is a very common practice among DJ to make the customer leave early. I am not too impressed with the gal selection at both KTV, as I can get the same standard from BBS.
As what SEJoe has mentioned, it is the friends that really matters during partying. The KTV gals are ok in my opinion, as they are quite obliging, but are definitely not the fun and wild type where you can find in CA KTV.
BBS wise, don’t go to those at Hui Mei. It has being mentioned before, and I have experience it myself. I was locked in for a good ten minutes before I was being let out. The mummy and a guy keep pestering me to take a gal, out of 4 gals to choose from in their stable. WTH. The guy was standing in front of the door, and I could not reach it without pushing/touching him. After speaking nicely to him for 2 minutes to let me out, I fix my gaze on the door and stared. I stared silently for a good 8 minutes, with them chanting non-stop before the guy decided to open the door. I dumped their name card immediately even if they have Cindy Crawford/Angelina Jolie in their line up.
I spent a night in CA, and walked through 8-10 BBS. It is great as these BBS are quite clustered together. Selection wise is ok, with 5-10 gals in each BBS. Take out rate is 150 RMB for 1 hour. Tried 2 gals, and both are not good. They rush things to finish within an hour. As the BBS stay open till 6 in the morning, it makes sense for them to finish fast and go back for more business.
BBS in CA,
Opening hour: Around 9 pm till 6 am
Cost: 150 RMB for 1 hour, 300 RMB for overnight (I was informed by my gal that overnight is effectively 2 shots. 2nd shots can happen at 3 am, and she will be gone.)
Analysis: The gal will not prefer overnight as they can earn more in the BBS.
BBS in CP
Opening hour: Around 3pm till 11 pm
Cost: 200 RMB for 2 hours, 500 RMB for overnight. (All of my BBS gal stay till about 11am for overnight)
Analysis: If it is after 7 pm, most gal will prefer overnight, and strive to please.
Conclusion:
CP: BBS good, KTV bad
CA: BBS bad, KTV good.
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SE Asia Joe
12-26-09, 16:18
SEAJ
Merry Christmas again.
Just starting out in ISG and was wondering how does one become a senior member here?
Thanks!
Hey Twice!! Great to see you here!
Different huh?!
To become a Senior member, I think all you have to do is to post 50 posts (will double check and get back to you later).
But the more important thing you may want to consider (I recommend it!) is to subscribe to ISG
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-subscriptions.php
- it's only US$19.95 but you will get access to all the pictures AND the photo gallery (pages of Pix thumb nails which you can click on and enlarge) AND most importantly - ability to send/receive PMS from/to other members. This is how we hook up.
Actually, a far as I know, there's really not much difference between a member and a senor member at all IF you go ahead and subscribe as above, as it gives you full access to everything on ISG. Please refer to the above URL site - it will show you what I'm talking about.
Up to until approx. three ago, I never met any of the guys here - but since then, I have met TONS of guys - and I'd estimate that at least 90% of them ARE really good guys - professionals, businessmen etc and hardly any real wankers. Very surprised actually - as I had previously thought that the majority of denizens of sex forums MUST be wierdos!! Not True - at least not those on this forum.
Anyway, Welcome to you Twice!!
And for those of you who's wondering who Twiceaweek is - he is the TOP moderator at another forum.... you know... that one with the 3 numbers preceded by sex! And over there, a moderator is really a moderator - and not those lonely old men who've been banished to their own little corner of ISG!! The el supremo with real powers and he's been a very fair moderator over there.
Please join me in welcoming him - as I am very sure that he is going to be a solid contributor here!! And he DOES have lots of knoweldege about everything that goes on around our parts!! His post count there is 8,736 as of this writing!! I don't think ANYBODY on ISG has got even close to this number of posts!! Eight thousand, seven.....!! Cripes!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-26-09, 16:43
I've been doing a bit of RX on the question of Senior vs regular membership on ISG - and I cannot find any hard and fast rule on how one goes about achieving such Senior member status any more. Somebody here want to chip in?
Anyway, from what I remember - Senior membership USED to be a big deal and it used to have a 50 post minimum PLUS at least one picture posted up requirement. Big deal, as in the past, ONLY Senior members could view photos and send PMS to each other.
But ever since the availability of the $19.95 membership, such Senior status is not a big deal any more - as a Subscriber can do everything a Senior or Regular member can do/have access to - PLUS get things like the photo gallery thumbnails and the stealth mode.
Somebody correct me/Confirm my understanding is correct?
Thanks
SEAJ
Ps. I also seem to see that regular member's post are pre-screened/delayed from immediate posting versus the immediate posting up of a senior member's post. Are Subscriber REGULAR members also imposed such pre-screening/ monitoring?
Ps. I also seem to see that regular member's post are pre-screened/delayed from immediate posting versus the immediate posting up of a senior member's post. Are Subscriber REGULAR members also imposed such pre-screening/ monitoring?
There are a few seniors who are delayed/prescreened. One was Webbie Connect. There is a well known senior with over 1000 post who is often on China thread that's delayed/prescreened too.
I've been doing a bit of RX on the question of Senior vs regular membership on ISG - and I cannot find any hard and fast rule on how one goes about achieving such Senior member status any more. Somebody here want to chip in?
Anyway, from what I remember - Senior membership USED to be a big deal and it used to have a 50 post minimum PLUS at least one picture posted up requirement. Big deal, as in the past, ONLY Senior members could view photos and send PMS to each other.
How does a Regular Member become a Senior Member?
Regular Members are automatically upgraded to Senior Member when they have been a Forum Member for 6 months AND have posted 25 or more reports.
Revised 02-20-06
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Twiceaweek
12-27-09, 04:43
Up to until approx. Three ago, I never met any of the guys here. But since then, I have met TONS of guys. And I'd estimate that at least 90% of them ARE really good guys. Professionals, businessmen etc and hardly any real wankers. Very surprised actually. As I had previously thought that the majority of denizens of sex forums MUST be wierdos! Not True. At least not those on this forum.
SEAJThanks for the warm welcome SEAJ, I'm here in the China section because you're the only one I know in this forum, but in the future I hope to be contributing in the HK section as that's the area of expertise. I'm not a top mod there but over the last 3 years I just wanted to give back something to that forum for the invaluable info on WGs that has benefited me.
Just getting used to the ways here. Is there any way to edit a post once its been sent? (I'm worried about spelling mistakes) Am I correct to say that once a post is submitted does someone from high above reads it for compliance before it is posted on the site?
LOL. Just reading the part you wrote in the quote made me think this forum was about working men. LOL (I wish this forum has smilies right now. LOL)
Thanks again SEAJ!
One Eyed Man,
There seems to be a misconception among KTV aficionados that KTV girls are somehow better than other P4P alternatives.
IMHO, all of this is nonsense. I've had my share of good and bad with all types of providers at all price levels in China. KTV can be a fun way to party with your mates and the girls for an evening, but when it comes to quality and service, KTV girls are no better than the rest.
In generality KTV girls of the non low end places likely have fewer customers/week than a bbs girl. it is just the job. if you are drinking for 4 hours you can't be doing 2 punters in that time. so yes i would say they are less used. and some girls do play the headache/cold, etc game if they really don't want to go out. they like the money but often do not need it. it seems bbs girls are more in need of the money, the desperation level can be a turn off. i personally like ktvs because the bar like atmosphere and fun.
i have had some duds from ktvs and some from bbs also. but haveing a LT from a bbs is somewhere in between. if they are fun in bed, you can then take them party and go again. alot of ktv girls are not very fun in bed and if you have bad chemistry in the ktv room it will be worse in the hotel.
if you go to ktv, have a good time and no click, go to bbs/night market/sauna depending on time and mood. in fact many saunas are very booked as alot of guys go to sauna instead of taking ktv girl. on a recent saturday night i was able to get two beautiful girls to come to room at PP after their customers left at 11pm. one took 2/3 girls (she opted out of the 3/3 with a 'headache') and the other had his mistress waiting for him. so sometimes later times at a ktv can be good as 11-12 alot of girls get off duty.
somtimes as early as 10! i had a great girl at Eurasia that had just gotten released for a cold (legitimate cold), but she was too much of a stunner to let go for me.
so ktv vs. bbs. there is something about finding that diamond in the rough at a bbs.
KTV girls can be from a 0-10 in the bed I usually find that bbs girls are a 4-7 rarely above that. And if the bbs girls is a dud you can go back and get another. Now saunas are usually a 6-10, rarely below that.
If you are rating on GFE experience then KTV is usualy 6-10, bbs 3-5 and sauna from 0-6. So it depends on what you want.
What you need to find is a former sauna girl at a ktv. that is a gem (and they exist..:)
I spent a night in CA, and walked through 8-10 BBS. It is great as these BBS are quite clustered together. Selection wise is ok, with 5-10 gals in each BBS. Take out rate is 150 RMB for 1 hour. Tried 2 gals, and both are not good. They rush things to finish within an hour. As the BBS stay open till 6 in the morning, it makes sense for them to finish fast and go back for more business.
Can you tell me where are these BBS are located ? Like, how far it is from a hotel or bus station, land marks ?
Questions for all mongering bros here. Would you rather have a KTV that highly seasoned and experienced: ie: knows how to put her hand on your lap, serves you fruit etc...but she's so professional that there's a possibility of being milked big time in terms of money, but she does provide better service.
Or would you rather have a KTV girl who's freshly new, innocent, so shy that she's afraid to even hold you etc...but you know that you have to work hard at getting her to open up, but you get a girl who's fresh and not as jaded.
I've had both and there are positives and negatives to both.
P.S.- freepeaks, i don't know how you do it, but you seem to have pretty good luck with getting good looking KTV girls. Even when you come late to the party.
AsnDragon
In generality KTV girls of the non low end places likely have fewer customers/week than a bbs girl. it is just the job. if you are drinking for 4 hours you can't be doing 2 punters in that time. so yes i would say they are less used. and some girls do play the headache/cold, etc game if they really don't want to go out. they like the money but often do not need it. it seems bbs girls are more in need of the money, the desperation level can be a turn off. i personally like ktvs because the bar like atmosphere and fun.
i have had some duds from ktvs and some from bbs also. but haveing a LT from a bbs is somewhere in between. if they are fun in bed, you can then take them party and go again. alot of ktv girls are not very fun in bed and if you have bad chemistry in the ktv room it will be worse in the hotel.
if you go to ktv, have a good time and no click, go to bbs/night market/sauna depending on time and mood. in fact many saunas are very booked as alot of guys go to sauna instead of taking ktv girl. on a recent saturday night i was able to get two beautiful girls to come to room at PP after their customers left at 11pm. one took 2/3 girls (she opted out of the 3/3 with a 'headache') and the other had his mistress waiting for him. so sometimes later times at a ktv can be good as 11-12 alot of girls get off duty.
somtimes as early as 10! i had a great girl at Eurasia that had just gotten released for a cold (legitimate cold), but she was too much of a stunner to let go for me.
so ktv vs. bbs. there is something about finding that diamond in the rough at a bbs.
KTV girls can be from a 0-10 in the bed I usually find that bbs girls are a 4-7 rarely above that. And if the bbs girls is a dud you can go back and get another. Now saunas are usually a 6-10, rarely below that.
If you are rating on GFE experience then KTV is usualy 6-10, bbs 3-5 and sauna from 0-6. So it depends on what you want.
What you need to find is a former sauna girl at a ktv. that is a gem (and they exist..:)
Questions for all mongering bros here. Would you rather have a KTV that highly seasoned and experienced: ie: knows how to put her hand on your lap, serves you fruit etc...but she's so professional that there's a possibility of being milked big time in terms of money, but she does provide better service.
Or would you rather have a KTV girl who's freshly new, innocent, so shy that she's afraid to even hold you etc...but you know that you have to work hard at getting her to open up, but you get a girl who's fresh and not as jaded.
I've had both and there are positives and negatives to both.
P.S.- freepeaks, i don't know how you do it, but you seem to have pretty good luck with getting good looking KTV girls. Even when you come late to the party.
AsnDragon
In my book, KTV girls are last for service in sex, but some are the prettiest girls are at KTVs. I know many times your dick is controlling you and not your brain. This is my case when I see a real stunner and all I need is $500 to $800 for her.
Once back in your hotel, many times, she will be a totally different person than at the KTV. The real stunners are usually the problem and have an attitude. Without any problems, they know they can anytime get a customer. Many KTV girls play a stupid psych game with you before going to your hotel room. There is always a possible of getting a dead fish. Chinese girls on the average don't like doing BJs either covered or BBBJ. They will not do it, if they can get away with it. Try getting one from a KTV stunners is rare.
On the average, I would say sauna girls are the best for service. You will never get a dead fish at a sauna after all the training they have to go thru.
You will always get either a CBJ or a BBBJ in a sauna.
1st Sauna girls for service
2nd BBS
3rd SW
4th KTV last for services
But sauna girls are on my list for the highest chance to get STD because of the possible high number of guys they do in a day. It could be as much as 5 to 6 plus guys in a 12 to 14 hr shift.
This is just my opinion.
PS It might be that freepeaks is a handsome guy he gets good results.
In general my opinion is that most KTVs give relatively poor GFE, with the exception of a few special places. I was lucky enough to pay several visits to one such "special" place and would like to report it.
The facility is in Chang'An town, about 1 hours drive from Shenzhen/LuoHu district. The town is probably the most industrial down in Dongguan. There are much fewer foreigners in Chang'An than in ChangPing (for example).
The place is a 4 star KTV, not located in a hotel, but rather a whole separate building. The facility has about 130 rooms. The first 70 rooms have been opened many years ago and have been fully booked too many times. About 1.5 years ago the owners added a new section with additional 70 rooms. Unfortunately the room occupancy situation did NOT improve and still everything is usually fully booked.
The special thing about this KTV is the selection and control of the girls, by the staff. The policy is that "Customer gets what he wants". The girls are usually not allowed to refuse going out with the customers. They are educated to give the best GFE and take care of the customers. I have visited the place about 10 times already and the service by the girls was always excellent. The girls are VERY happy to work in this place, as they are busy working every day.
Reserving a room in advance is a MUST, as all rooms are already busy around 9pm every day. I would personally recommend arriving not later than 8:30pm, as by 9:30pm all the girls are already busy working. The regular customers usually take more than just 1 per person, which creates a problem for those arriving late!
The facility also has just a few rooms for ST or over-night stay.
Name and Location:
Name: Ji-An Hotel
集安酒店
Addr: Xinan Industrial Park, Zhenan Road, Chang'An, Dongguan
东莞市长安镇振安路新安工业园
Tel: (0769) 85332888
Fax: (0769) 85331333
Booking Phone: (0769) 85332333
Have fun and please write back your impression after visiting.
ManonsanBoy
12-27-09, 20:49
[QUOTE=Weelock].
1st Sauna girls for service
2nd BBS
3rd SW
4th KTV last for services
But sauna girls are on my list for the highest chance to get STD because of the possible high number of guys they do in a day. It could be as much as 5 to 6 plus guys in a 12 to 14 hr shift.
My own experienxe is the best sex comes from the sauna girls, hands down. I usually go when they first getto work, around 1-3 pm. That way, they are fresh (at least that day). I have never had less than a 7 at the sauana.
KTV is hit andmiss. BBS is a little boring but sufficient when I am easy to please i.e. when I just want to get off.
Hello friends:
I wanted to extend a Happy New Year and season's greetings to all friends and acquaintances on in the forums.
May Santa and all his elves bring you many pleasurable days & hours of happy & unimpeded mongering. I'm looking forward to seeing more of you in 2010.
One Eyed Man
12-27-09, 21:17
Questions for all mongering bros here. Would you rather have a KTV that highly seasoned and experienced: ie: knows how to put her hand on your lap, serves you fruit etc...but she's so professional that there's a possibility of being milked big time in terms of money, but she does provide better service.
Or would you rather have a KTV girl who's freshly new, innocent, so shy that she's afraid to even hold you etc...but you know that you have to work hard at getting her to open up, but you get a girl who's fresh and not as jaded.
The one common denominator among the KTV girls I've brought back to my hotel was sleep deprivation. A large number of them must share a common bed or dorm room and not get a lot of sleep, because after the first pop they are out cold, and I have to use "special techniques" to wake them up again. I was told the girls usually want to leave at 9 a.m., but I had one sleep until noon and a couple others that gladly would have stayed (slept) longer.
One thing I do like among the experienced KTV girls: they can drink! When they lose a round in a drinking game, they suck it up and chug it down. I picked one modelesque girl recently (who really was that: tall, thin, big boobs, but probably not the sharpest tool) who didn't like to drink "because she gets drunk easily." (Even better: that makes her a cheap date.) I told her she had to drink tea or something (it was a drinking game, of course), but I got a little impatient and rose my voice, and she got scared of me and slipped off the hook. :-(
Member #4144
12-27-09, 23:54
Questions for all mongering bros here. Would you rather have a KTV that highly seasoned and experienced: ie: knows how to put her hand on your lap, serves you fruit etc...but she's so professional that there's a possibility of being milked big time in terms of money, but she does provide better service.
Or would you rather have a KTV girl who's freshly new, innocent, so shy that she's afraid to even hold you etc...but you know that you have to work hard at getting her to open up, but you get a girl who's fresh and not as jaded.
I've had both and there are positives and negatives to both. AsnDragon
I usually ask them two key questions before taking them back:
A. I love to go down on you, do you like it?
B. Can you blow?
If the answer to both were abolute no, then it is probably going to be no later on, but if like "I don't know, I have not done that before, I don't know how to" etc, then it will most likely work out.
I found I have much better success with ktv girls in Zhuhai then CP, and that is why I have been mostly just going down to Zhuhai. I usually have 2 to 3 girls and everytime I will have at least one girl replying YES to both A and B (with a blushing) and a maybe from the others. Once in the hotel, I usually will be making love to them, not a matter of service from them. Usually a completely wet pussy after just holding her naked and followed by passinate 69 sessions and multiple orgasms from the girl.
Freepeaks is right about former sauna girls, but I found the best is to find kept girl from KTV, who goes to work out of boredom, like her "husband" has not come to visit her for a few weeks. There might be more of such girls in Zhuhai and Shenzhen.
In anycase, best sexual experiences are from girls who have regular sex, but have not had it for a couple of weeks, just my opinion.
Fillmore.
Weelock,
agreed, I think sauna girls have the highest chances of getting STDs. I mean most of the blowjobs are BBBJ, and even though you can't get HIV from that, you can still get Herpes or a handful of other STDs. Yes they do give better service and are NEVER, well almost never, a dead fish. But at times, knowing that they service 7 guys a day 20 days a month, 140 guys a month in total kinda freaks me out sometimes. It's not even about the sloppy seconds issue, but more of....the fact that the sauna girl licks anuses and penises and does all of that sucking and licking on 140 guys a month either makes me feel bad for them at times or kinda grosses me out sometimes. Of course, I only feel this way after doing them...cause let's face it, a man only thinks clearly after they cum right?
AsnDragon
In my book, KTV girls are last for service in sex, but some are the prettiest girls are at KTVs. I know many times your dick is controlling you and not your brain. This is my case when I see a real stunner and all I need is $500 to $800 for her.
Once back in your hotel, many times, she will be a totally different person than at the KTV. The real stunners are usually the problem and have an attitude. Without any problems, they know they can anytime get a customer. Many KTV girls play a stupid psych game with you before going to your hotel room. There is always a possible of getting a dead fish. Chinese girls on the average don't like doing BJs either covered or BBBJ and will not do it, if they can get away with it. Try getting one from a KTV stunners is rare.
On the average, I would say sauna girls are the best for service. You will never get a dead fish at a sauna after all the training they have to go thru.
You will always get either a CBJ or a BBBJ in a sauna.
1st Sauna girls for service
2nd BBS
3rd SW
4th KTV last for services
But sauna girls are on my list for the highest chance to get STD because of the possible high number of guys they do in a day. It could be as much as 5 to 6 plus guys in a 12 to 14 hr shift.
This is just my opinion.
PS It might be that freepeaks is a handsome guy he gets good results.
manonsanBoy,
Saunas do have great service as i had mentioned and agreed with. But at times, the mechanical nature of a Sauna girl kills the mood for me sometime. You know..they do the whole routine that seems too scripted and mechanical. Fire and Ice, licking from head to toe...etc... One big turn off I hate is when you go into the session with a Sauna girl and she asks you if you would like to see the menu of the techniques she's going to do. That makes me feel even more bored and turned off that it's just a routine, rather than something that's a little out of the ordinary.
Yes Sauna girls do give good service, but in terms of KTV girls, sometimes it feels good to have sex with them as it feels like a GF feel. Things aren't as rehearsed as doing a sauna session. Sometimes if the girl likes you, you unleash the wild side of them-which is rare but it does happen. Regardless though, in terms of BBS and KTV girls, at least i feel that the session is semi-unpredictable, and that unpredictability brings about some sort of excitement in me.
AsnDragon
[QUOTE=Weelock].
1st Sauna girls for service
2nd BBS
3rd SW
4th KTV last for services
But sauna girls are on my list for the highest chance to get STD because of the possible high number of guys they do in a day. It could be as much as 5 to 6 plus guys in a 12 to 14 hr shift.
My own experienxe is the best sex comes from the sauna girls, hands down. I usually go when they first getto work, around 1-3 pm. That way, they are fresh (at least that day). I have never had less than a 7 at the sauana.
KTV is hit andmiss. BBS is a little boring but sufficient when I am easy to please i.e. when I just want to get off.
Yes, KTV girls that can drink is always something good. But how about if they over-drink? As I had mentioned before, I had a really cute girl from NorthEast China. Cutest girl ever! She over-drank at the KTV room, threw up on the carpet before I brought a garbage can for her to throw up in. She passed out on the couch near the end of the night. Her Mommie had to carry her out of the room. What a mood killer! Paid the KTV fees, her fees and ended up with major blue balls at the end of the night.
The one common denominator among the KTV girls I've brought back to my hotel was sleep deprivation. A large number of them must share a common bed or dorm room and not get a lot of sleep, because after the first pop they are out cold, and I have to use "special techniques" to wake them up again. I was told the girls usually want to leave at 9 a.m., but I had one sleep until noon and a couple others that gladly would have stayed (slept) longer.
One thing I do like among the experienced KTV girls: they can drink! When they lose a round in a drinking game, they suck it up and chug it down. I picked one modelesque girl recently (who really was that: tall, thin, big boobs, but probably not the sharpest tool) who didn't like to drink "because she gets drunk easily." (Even better: that makes her a cheap date.) I told her she had to drink tea or something (it was a drinking game, of course), but I got a little impatient and rose my voice, and she got scared of me and slipped off the hook. :-(
OldAsiaHand
12-28-09, 04:11
manonsanBoy,
Saunas do have great service as i had mentioned and agreed with. But at times, the mechanical nature of a Sauna girl kills the mood for me sometime. You know..they do the whole routine that seems too scripted and mechanical. Fire and Ice, licking from head to toe...etc... One big turn off I hate is when you go into the session with a Sauna girl and she asks you if you would like to see the menu of the techniques she's going to do. That makes me feel even more bored and turned off that it's just a routine, rather than something that's a little out of the ordinary.
I agree that sauna girls are the most technically proficient but I too get a bored with the standard "choppy" menu. It lacks the flow. I try to develop my own menu and skip the courses that don't do much for me e.g. the toe treatment. That said, I often find myself getting short changed from sauna girls who think that I do not know what is on the menu because I am a laowai. For example, they may skip the AR until I request it. "Oh, do you want that?" is a common expression. I remember one sauna girl in Zhuhai that even tried to get out of FS. She told me that one laowai let her only give him a HJ because she told him he was too big. WTF?
Yes Sauna girls do give good service, but in terms of KTV girls, sometimes it feels good to have sex with them as it feels like a GF feel. Things aren't as rehearsed as doing a sauna session. Sometimes if the girl likes you, you unleash the wild side of them-which is rare but it does happen. Regardless though, in terms of BBS and KTV girls, at least i feel that the session is semi-unpredictable, and that unpredictability brings about some sort of excitement in me.
[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]
I have been disappointed with many KTV girls. I find that the hotter looking they are, the less service they provide or they do not go with laowai at all. It may be my fault that I did not ask the questions that Fillmore does, but BBBJ is often not in the cards. On a positive side, I will say that most I've done are not in such a big rush since they assume that they are in for the night compared with BBS girls that are thinking about their next customer. Most of the time, I have to ask KTV girls to leave if I do not want LT. When I get poor service from a KTV girl, I always think that I could have had 2-3 BBS girls for the same money and not wasted all the time with her beforehand.
IMHO, the key to getting GFE with P4P is to repeat. I get on SEAJ's case for falling in love with the girls, but it does result in better service. Unfortunately, my preference is for variety so I rarely repeat unless one is spectacular on the first go.
With BBS girls, especially in CP, I reckon timing is a big factor. I get much better service on weekdays, than on the weekends when there are more punters in town and the opportunity for the girls to earn more. Outside of CP, BBS girls are nearly always in a hurry. I get exceptional service less than 10% of the time as a first time customer. This improves in the BBS that I frequent often since the mamasan plays a key role.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
12-28-09, 04:58
IMHO, the key to getting GFE with P4P is to repeat. I get on SEAJ's case for falling in love with the girls, but it does result in better service. Unfortunately, my preference is for variety so I rarely repeat unless one is spectacular on the first go.
OAH[/QUOTE]
Buying gals little presents like new phones gets better service but it makes the monger feel better that he is not just handing over cold hard cash, LOL!
1st Sauna girls for service
2nd BBS
3rd SW
4th KTV last for services
But sauna girls are on my list for the highest chance to get STD because of the possible high number of guys they do in a day. It could be as much as 5 to 6 plus guys in a 12 to 14 hr shift.
That is accurate for service on the odds. As far as STD i would put BBS girls first cause they are cheap and sometimes do not require condom because they don't know or care - fyi night market is worst for that as these are girls that live on the edge, late nights, partying, drugs and cheaper than even bbs. so far as sometimes you have to tell them to use. the newer ones at least, but the initial naivety can lead to STD. they also don't have the funds to cure if problem. Now sauna girls have the money and requirement to 'fix' any fixable STD , but the numbers are against them.
they are the most careful inspecting the merchandise while in shower, but they will to bbbj and last visit (Virgin) the girl would have went without condom. yikes that should scare you.
KTV girls are all over the map, cause if they have a 'pimp' then you have to figure there is some guy barebacking them who has a stable of girls cross-transmitting. the ones without boyfriends are a better choice but they will not tell you if they have pimp/boyfriend or not.
7 guys a day 20 days a month, 140 guys a month
Not that it is any better, but I think the number for most of them is between 40-80/month depending on their looks. I have know a few HH sauna girls for about a year and asked them both direct questions on this, one was gorgeous and made 30k a month at 500/pop, = 60. the other something like 18k at 300 so 60 again. on friday and sat you can bet they have 5-6 customers, and get the other customers on slower weekdays (which is why they are better days to go). In shenzhen though I have heard the volume is much higher. maybe 100 per month.
Yes, KTV girls that can drink is always something good. But how about if they over-drink? As I had mentioned before, I had a really cute girl from NorthEast China. Cutest girl ever!
She was a doll. laugh. that was really bad, I thought she was just a super drinker, she was losing every game and drinking a full glass every time. that is one that got away. although i still bet she is in the dead fish category for the bedroom.
Freepeaks,
She really was a doll huh? she looked so damn cute. I wouldn't even care if she was a dead fish in bed, sometimes I'd rather screw a really cute or hot girl who gives no service, than to pay many of these BBS girls that are just not pretty at all but give decent service. I find that at the beginning of my trip I am less picky and can handle BBS or nightmarket chicks. Then as my trip comes to an end, I get more and more picky and aim for the KTV chicks. I think I always set myself up for failure when I aim too high. Besides, sometimes I just need to step back and look at the situation and realize that CP is heaven and I should enjoy every moment instead of complaining at all.
AsnDragon
She was a doll. laugh. that was really bad, I thought she was just a super drinker, she was losing every game and drinking a full glass every time. that is one that got away. although i still bet she is in the dead fish category for the bedroom.
Freepeaks,
By the way...your girl that you did a threesome with from Cali Red,....she had the most beautiful body...got a good package in the front and the back too!
I must give you props on that one.
AsnDragon.
She was a doll. laugh. that was really bad, I thought she was just a super drinker, she was losing every game and drinking a full glass every time. that is one that got away. although i still bet she is in the dead fish category for the bedroom.
OAH,
I agree with you. I always fall into the same mistakes sometimes. I do aim for variety as there just isn't enough time for people like us who take these prolonged trips over to China. However, with you being in China you have the ability to slowly weed out who's good and who's not, so that's your added advantage. When mongers like us come, we are just all over the place. We try to squeeze in every minute we can. So generally we follow the whole variety mindset on things.
I envy people like you and SEAJoe who are based out over there, that are just a train ride away.
I agree, repeat business gets you better service! BUt how do we repeat when we only ahve like 3-4 weeks at a time? too many fishes to repeat....sigh* CP is really heaven!
AsnDragon
I agree that sauna girls are the most technically proficient but I too get a bored with the standard "choppy" menu. It lacks the flow. I try to develop my own menu and skip the courses that don't do much for me e.g. the toe treatment. That said, I often find myself getting short changed from sauna girls who think that I do not know what is on the menu because I am a laowai. For example, they may skip the AR until I request it. "Oh, do you want that?" is a common expression. I remember one sauna girl in Zhuhai that even tried to get out of FS. She told me that one laowai let her only give him a HJ because she told him he was too big. WTF?
[QUOTE=AsnDragon]Yes Sauna girls do give good service, but in terms of KTV girls, sometimes it feels good to have sex with them as it feels like a GF feel. Things aren't as rehearsed as doing a sauna session. Sometimes if the girl likes you, you unleash the wild side of them-which is rare but it does happen. Regardless though, in terms of BBS and KTV girls, at least i feel that the session is semi-unpredictable, and that unpredictability brings about some sort of excitement in me.
I have been disappointed with many KTV girls. I find that the hotter looking they are, the less service they provide or they do not go with laowai at all. It may be my fault that I did not ask the questions that Fillmore does, but BBBJ is often not in the cards. On a positive side, I will say that most I've done are not in such a big rush since they assume that they are in for the night compared with BBS girls that are thinking about their next customer. Most of the time, I have to ask KTV girls to leave if I do not want LT. When I get poor service from a KTV girl, I always think that I could have had 2-3 BBS girls for the same money and not wasted all the time with her beforehand.
IMHO, the key to getting GFE with P4P is to repeat. I get on SEAJ's case for falling in love with the girls, but it does result in better service. Unfortunately, my preference is for variety so I rarely repeat unless one is spectacular on the first go.
With BBS girls, especially in CP, I reckon timing is a big factor. I get much better service on weekdays, than on the weekends when there are more punters in town and the opportunity for the girls to earn more. Outside of CP, BBS girls are nearly always in a hurry. I get exceptional service less than 10% of the time as a first time customer. This improves in the BBS that I frequent often since the mamasan plays a key role.
Just my POV.
OAH
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