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I've been in Shenzhen for the past 10 weeks, most of my time spent around Luoho, Futian & Shekou. Most of the places I have gone too seam to have a few stunners but the majority were quite average. Infact i saw more beautiful girls in one sauna in Chang'an in one night that in all the KTVs & BBS's i went to in shenzhen over the 10 weeks. Out of about 60 girls they showed me all were 7/10 or above. The two girls I got were quite fun and had great atitudes. It was pretty difficult to comunicate with them as i know very little manadrin.
Is the quality of girls lower in Shenzhen or am I just going to the wrong places?
To all mongering Brothers,
We all talk about the general catagories of getting WG:
1. KTV
2. BBS
3. Night Market
4. Saunas
5. Street Walkers
But has anyone ever touched on the other catagories? I know many veterans have explored into other realms of picking up girls, which I have not even touched yet. Not necessarily P4P but something in between. But has any brothers done or can give any tips on getting the following:
1. Regular store worker girls
2. foot massage girls
3. DJ's
4. Front desk reception at a Hotel
5. SPA servers/masseuse (maya City/Silver Spring etc)
6. The girl who washes your hair at those salons (a real salon)
I'm just curious if in CP everything is up for grabs if you put the effort and time into it.
AsnDragon
Bob Builder
12-28-09, 12:04
To all mongering Brothers,
We all talk about the general catagories of getting WG:
1. KTV
2. BBS
3. Night Market
4. Saunas
5. Street Walkers
But has anyone ever touched on the other catagories? I know many veterans have explored into other realms of picking up girls, which I have not even touched yet. Not necessarily P4P but something in between. But has any brothers done or can give any tips on getting the following:
1. Regular store worker girls
2. foot massage girls
3. DJ's
4. Front desk reception at a Hotel
5. SPA servers/masseuse (maya City/Silver Spring etc)
6. The girl who washes your hair at those salons (a real salon)
I'm just curious if in CP everything is up for grabs if you put the effort and time into it.
AsnDragon
How long is a piece of string? Generally how much time and money are you willing to put into it? And how do you think your chances are if you go to KTV where the DJ sees you regularly with other WGs and Spa workers where the everyone goes for FS?
SE Asia Joe
12-28-09, 12:20
Was at the Manhattan last night and whilst it WAS a Sunday night, I was quite surprised at how many rooms there were that was NOT occupied.
It was sort of eerie -and I wonder if its because of the holiday season or is it just a continuation of the fear of a lot of mongers - because of the recent crack-downs, still keeping mongers away.
Or is it just the Cold BRRRRrrrrr.. weather past couple days. Not that much fun getting all naykid doing kissy face and bumby bodies when it's THIS cold.... as I found out to my own chagrin!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-28-09, 13:06
Thanks for the warm welcome ..............
Just getting used to the ways here. Is there any way to edit a post once its been sent? (I'm worried about spelling mistakes) Am I correct to say that once a post is submitted does someone from high above reads it for compliance before it is posted on the site?
Editing - you SHOULD be able to see an "edit" box on YOUR post (next to the usual "Quote" box on all the posts) which if you click on, which will allow you to edit your post.
The reason I say "should" is because I'm not sure if this is avaialble to regular members or only to Senior members. I do know that even for us seniors, this edit button disappears after 24 hours or so; and thus for regular members, such button MAY not be there any more by the time your post actually appears.
This of course got to do with the "moderation" and delay you've noticed on your post; being a regular member i/o senior, I believe that your post ARE moderated for content etc - and only when it's deemed acceptable, then the moderator will release it and your report appears. Only I don't know if by then your 24 hour window to edit has lapsed or not. It's been such a long time ago that I really don't remember.
Also, as Weelock mentioned, we've all noticed that this "moderation" is also some time applied to Senior member - especially those who've been "guilty" of some transgression or other problems on the board.
If you really need to edit and/or delete your post, you can also ask/PMS the moderator to do so.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-28-09, 13:20
Thanks for the warm welcome SEAJ, I'm here in the China section because you're the only one I know in this forum, but in the future I hope to be contributing in the HK section as that's the area of expertise. I'm not a top mod there but over the last 3 years I just wanted to give back something to that forum for the invaluable info on WGs that has benefited me.
LOL. Just reading the part you wrote in the quote made me think this forum was about working men. LOL (I wish this forum has smilies right now. LOL)
Thanks again SEAJ!
I believe that my welcome will very soon be very justified by the contributions I know you will be able to make to our forum!
Especially on HOng Kong's 1 phoenix 1 room gals - as most of the posts there now are about the more "Laowai" areas like Lockhart Rd, Hari's bar 37 Dundas etc. Very little conribution by local chinese on ISG's Hong Kong forum.
As far as what I perceive as being the difference between ISG and that forum where you are the moderator - I THINK I detect that there are probably a lot more young contributors there - in terms of age, seniority in organizations AND actual length of time of contribution to the forum i.e. you seem to have a lot more "turn-over with very few newbvies actually sticking to contributing. But all this of course only my very limited length of time there and my observations from reading mainly the China threads there.
Here, we have quite long term and regular contributors - and like I said, I have been very impressed by the "quality" of gentlemen I have met from here. A Very large proportion of highly regarded professionals, businessmen and all round quality people. (errr... don't get me going on some of the true wankers I've also met thru here though!! LOL!!)
SEAJ
To all mongering Brothers,
We all talk about the general catagories of getting WG:
1. KTV
2. BBS
3. Night Market
4. Saunas
5. Street Walkers
But has anyone ever touched on the other catagories? I know many veterans have explored into other realms of picking up girls, which I have not even touched yet. Not necessarily P4P but something in between. But has any brothers done or can give any tips on getting the following:
1. Regular store worker girls
2. foot massage girls
3. DJ's
4. Front desk reception at a Hotel
5. SPA servers/masseuse (maya City/Silver Spring etc)
6. The girl who washes your hair at those salons (a real salon)
I'm just curious if in CP everything is up for grabs if you put the effort and time into it.
AsnDragon
I got pretty close to a foot massage girl. Had her in my hotel room and made out but she got cold feet. I could have nailed her if I had persisted with one or two more dates but I didnt have the time nor the patience to do so (plus she saw me eating dinner with another girl). IMO a lot of the non WGs know what you are there for and that you P4P, so you have that hurdle to overcome (if its a hurdle at all, I got the impression that some dont care), but if the non WG is available and you play your cards right a lot of them would be up for grabs.
Weelock,
Agreed, I think sauna girls have the highest chances of getting STDs. I mean most of the blowjobs are BBBJ, and even though you can't get HIV from that, you can still get Herpes or a handful of other STDs. Yes they do give better service and are NEVER, well almost never, a dead fish. But at times, knowing that they service 7 guys a day 20 days a month, 140 guys a month in total kinda freaks me out sometimes. It's not even about the sloppy seconds issue, but more of. The fact that the sauna girl licks anuses and penises and does all of that sucking and licking on 140 guys a month either makes me feel bad for them at times or kinda grosses me out sometimes. Of course, I only feel this way after doing them. Cause let's face it, a man only thinks clearly after they cum right?
AsnDragonYikes. That sounds scary.
How do you think sauna girls compare to the hotel massage girls in terms of STD risks? You know the ones they send up after calling your room.
1. Regular store worker girls
2. foot massage girls
3. DJ's
4. Front desk reception at a Hotel
5. SPA servers/masseuse (maya City/Silver Spring etc)
6. The girl who washes your hair at those salons (a real salon)
I'm just curious if in CP everything is up for grabs if you put the effort and time into it.
AsnDragon
I was interested in a restaurant worker. She has been working there for a few years at a HK style restaurant and is now a manager. She is very tall, 5'7", innocent looking, pretty for a local girl from Guangdong. Most of the working girls are not local but from the north. I was getting to know her pretty well, seeing year after year, coming to CP. She told me she had no boyfriend at the time. Well, a few months ago, I went with my friend to the restaurant. My friend told me he busted her inside a nearby small hotel with guy. I don't know what to do now. I don't know if she is a part-time working girl or what. It ruined her reputation with me.
SE Asia Joe
12-28-09, 18:47
To all mongering Brothers,
We all talk about the general catagories of getting WG:
1. KTV
2. BBS
3. Night Market
4. Saunas
5. Street Walkers
But has anyone ever touched on the other catagories? I know many veterans have explored into other realms of picking up girls, which I have not even touched yet. Not necessarily P4P but something in between. But has any brothers done or can give any tips on getting the following:
1. Regular store worker girls
2. foot massage girls
3. DJ's
4. Front desk reception at a Hotel
5. SPA servers/masseuse (maya City/Silver Spring etc)
6. The girl who washes your hair at those salons (a real salon)
I'm just curious if in CP everything is up for grabs if you put the effort and time into it.
AsnDragon
First thing first - do you guys really think that ALL regular working gals had never been a WG in their past life??
Welll..... let me tell you, I KNOW of a number of EX-Wg's who are now working at dress shops, restaurants, beauty salons, veggie footsie gal, beer prmotion etc etc. Fact is at least a couple of my regulars HAD been a WG in their past life and are now working away at these regular jobs and basically only "sees' a few customers or errrrrrr.... errmmm... only me now!! I know I know - don't say it!! You too AsnD!!
And there ARE also gals who supplements their regular job's income by moonlighting a couple nights a week (week-ends?) by working as a WG.
But seriously, there ARE a lot of these gals who goes into 'the trade' to make enough $$ for a particular situation or emergency and just as quickly, gets out of it and revert back to their regular job.
SEAJ
First thing first - do you guys really think that ALL regular working gals had never been a WG in their past life??
And there ARE also gals who supplements their regular job's income by moonlighting a couple nights a week (week-ends?) by working as a WG.
Girls who give up sex for nothing are suckers.
Either for food, gifts, entertainment, money, or status, BUT if only for love, they deserve a wake-up slap.
SE Asia Joe
12-28-09, 19:09
Girls who give up sex for nothing are suckers.
Either for food, gifts, entertainment, money, or status, BUT if only for love, they deserve a wake-up slap.
HOw about guys who give up sex NOT only for nothing .... but actually PAYS $$$ doing so??!!!
ROFLMAO
SEAJ
Pig Fat,
I totally know what you are talking about. I too am totally lured in by legit foot massage girls. No I'm not talking about the sleezy p laces that give full service to customers or even any type of sexual services during the footie session. But the girls that work in legit footie places that really gives a lot of appeal-because they don't give extras, but when they are touching you and massaging you you develop this closer connection through conversation etc. It's the allure of being able to be with a semi-not-jaded girl that brings forth the excitement.
I had a regular footie girl who i really liked-in terms of her personality and she was very cute as well. She use to work in a legit footie place but quit recently to work as a DJ. In my personal opinion, this new KTV place, Swan Lake KTV, she's working at is well known to have DJ's that are easy to court and take out. Well at least a little bit easier than other KTV joints in my personal opinion. So I'm a bit bummed out by her recent move to go be a DJ, as It took away from the fantasy of her being less jaded than other girls.
But then again, I can't blame her, it's better to be a DJ just sit and drink for a night and get 200 RMB versus working your ass off, rubbing guy's stinkin' feet all day long and get a fraction of the pay.
AsnDragon
I got pretty close to a foot massage girl. Had her in my hotel room and made out but she got cold feet. I could have nailed her if I had persisted with one or two more dates but I didnt have the time nor the patience to do so (plus she saw me eating dinner with another girl). IMO a lot of the non WGs know what you are there for and that you P4P, so you have that hurdle to overcome (if its a hurdle at all, I got the impression that some dont care), but if the non WG is available and you play your cards right a lot of them would be up for grabs.
One Eyed Man
12-29-09, 00:15
Yes, KTV girls that can drink is always something good. But how about if they over-drink? As I had mentioned before, I had a really cute girl from NorthEast China. Cutest girl ever! She over-drank at the KTV room, threw up on the carpet before I brought a garbage can for her to throw up in. She passed out on the couch near the end of the night. Her Mommie had to carry her out of the room. What a mood killer! Paid the KTV fees, her fees and ended up with major blue balls at the end of the night.
I worry about that, since these are little, 100-lb. girls that match us big guys drink for drink. Some of them seem to have built up a tolerance, though, and can really drink! It impressed (and worries) me.
Weelock,
We always want what we don't have right? I mean CP is suppose to be heaven on earth, where most girls in CP are up for sale. Guys wait months to be able to travel to CP to enjoy this type of environment-accessible girls all over. But we humans come and at times always search for what we can't get-those unjaded girls, or less jaded girls in CP. It's as if our male instinct of conquering new realms kicks in and we all of a sudden think that P4P is not as challenging as getting a non-jaded girl who works in a restaurant or retail store.
I do know the appeal sometimes. Going after a non working girl really makes you feel like you are in a sense in a normal courtship. That bit of normalcy is precious at times in CP when you are there too long. When you are surrounded by a 24/7 buffet of WG all over, sometimes I suppose us guys do want what we don't have- a regular girl.
By the way...it is rare to have a good looking and tall local guangdong girl. Many people don't like regular Guangdong girl, but sometimes...just sometimes you find a Guangdong girl who's really good looking. On average Guangdong girls don't have the general facial features of a pretty girl-ie: they have flatter noses, usually not as tall etc...but once in a while I encounter Guangdong girls who have pristine porcelain skin and have smooth and fit bodies with large tits. So when I encounter girls like that, it's like finding a good deal at a department store...I get too excited I just have to buy it, regardless if You really need it or not.
I would say...go back and get that 5'7 restaurant manager. Even if she's a part time WG it's alright. Girls in CHina need to make a living somehow right? At times they are short on rent or family emergencies...so..I don't blame them. It's just part of life in China. Go get her before you regret it! I can't tell you how many times I've regretted not going after girls that I wanted. Even years after til today I'm still kicking myself in the ass for not getting them when I could have.
AsnDragon
I was interested in a restaurant worker. She has been working there for a few years at a HK style restaurant and is now a manager. She is very tall, 5'7", innocent looking, pretty for a local girl from Guangdong. Most of the working girls are not local but from the north. I was getting to know her pretty well, seeing year after year, coming to CP. She told me she had no boyfriend at the time. Well, a few months ago, I went with my friend to the restaurant. My friend told me he busted her inside a nearby small hotel with guy. I don't know what to do now. I don't know if she is a part-time working girl or what. It ruined her reputation with me.
It really depends on where these girls are from. But North Eastern (Dongbei) girls are well known to be heavy drinkers. Of course this is just a generalization. But many of them drink with their Dad or relatives on a daily basis. So they have perhaps built up higher tolerances even before working at the KTV. Tolerances can be built up, but if they start downing whisky shots with no green tea mixed into it, then YOU ARE in trouble.
AsnDragon
I worry about that, since these are little, 100-lb. girls that match us big guys drink for drink. Some of them seem to have built up a tolerance, though, and can really drink! It impressed (and worries) me.
SEAJoe,
Alright alright....I'm not going to pick on you and your casanova tactics. But yes I do know that some of them moonlight as WG for extra cash on the side. I see this more often in Shenzhen Street Walkers than in CP. But then again I don't have as much experience as you. Yes SEAJoe, I've heard stories of you having regulars from regular girls working in retail outlets. I don't know how the heck you pick them up or romance them into your bed, but I really have to follow you one day and learn the ropes from you.
The rule of thumb I go by now, is that if a pretty girl in CP, above a 7 in looks there's a higher chance of them becoming a working girl as their time in CP progresses. I mean being a regular girl who's got decent looks, working for such low wages is difficult, when they know that money is out there for them to grab, by just opening up their legs for an hour gets you enough money equivalent to 4-5 days of salary. These girls get tempted over time. It's only natural when they see the temptation all around them, seeing girls earning so much money and living a better life by doing less work. Everyone wants an easy way out of their situation.
I'm wondering SEAJoe and Pig Fat- is it your good looks that help you attract these girls right from the beginning? or You have some special method that I'm missing? Cause I find it quite difficult for me to get close to Non working girls. I mean these girls all know that you are in CP for one primary reason-mongering. How do you get over that hurdle? or do you just end up giving them a payment in the end to entice them?
AsnDragon
First thing first - do you guys really think that ALL regular working gals had never been a WG in their past life??
Welll..... let me tell you, I KNOW of a number of EX-Wg's who are now working at dress shops, restaurants, beauty salons, veggie footsie gal, beer prmotion etc etc. Fact is at least a couple of my regulars HAD been a WG in their past life and are now working away at these regular jobs and basically only "sees' a few customers or errrrrrr.... errmmm... only me now!! I know I know - don't say it!! You too AsnD!!
And there ARE also gals who supplements their regular job's income by moonlighting a couple nights a week (week-ends?) by working as a WG.
But seriously, there ARE a lot of these gals who goes into 'the trade' to make enough $$ for a particular situation or emergency and just as quickly, gets out of it and revert back to their regular job.
SEAJ
Bob Builder
12-29-09, 01:42
I was interested in a restaurant worker. She has been working there for a few years at a HK style restaurant and is now a manager. She is very tall, 5'7", innocent looking, pretty for a local girl from Guangdong. Most of the working girls are not local but from the north. I was getting to know her pretty well, seeing year after year, coming to CP. She told me she had no boyfriend at the time. Well, a few months ago, I went with my friend to the restaurant. My friend told me he busted her inside a nearby small hotel with guy. I don't know what to do now. I don't know if she is a part-time working girl or what. It ruined her reputation with me.
So someone beat you to it and she now does have a boyfriend. You aren't the only guy going to CP and eating at the restaurant.
And it maybe that the guy is not a monger who has been going there for years and years as CP now has a lot of trading companies who have set up office there.
Did you ever go there with WGs and when were you going to make your move after all this time?
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 03:29
I was interested in a restaurant worker. She has been working there for a few years at a HK style restaurant and is now a manager. She is very tall, 5'7", innocent looking, pretty for a local girl from Guangdong. Most of the working girls are not local but from the north. I was getting to know her pretty well, seeing year after year, coming to CP. She told me she had no boyfriend at the time. Well, a few months ago, I went with my friend to the restaurant. My friend told me he busted her inside a nearby small hotel with guy. I don't know what to do now. I don't know if she is a part-time working girl or what. It ruined her reputation with me.
Weelock,
When you say, "I was getting to know her pretty well....", what do you mean? Did you ever ask her out?
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 03:43
I got pretty close to a foot massage girl. Had her in my hotel room and made out but she got cold feet. I could have nailed her if I had persisted with one or two more dates but I didnt have the time nor the patience to do so (plus she saw me eating dinner with another girl). IMO a lot of the non WGs know what you are there for and that you P4P, so you have that hurdle to overcome (if its a hurdle at all, I got the impression that some dont care), but if the non WG is available and you play your cards right a lot of them would be up for grabs.
Pig Fat,
I have done a few footie and legit massage girls but it takes time. As you might imagine, they get hit on constantly. A lot of them are married or have boyfriends but will not tell you that because it is bad for business. This may be the main reason they are not spreading their legs every day. Most of them are looking for more than a one night stand. Either they are looking for a long term relationship or a punter to take care of them financially. They can get very clingy after you do them and difficult to get rid of. I have had some bad experiences with this.
IMHO, most Chinese girls do not bed you with no strings attached just because you are a nice guy.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 03:48
And there ARE also gals who supplements their regular job's income by moonlighting a couple nights a week (week-ends?) by working as a WG.
SEAJ,
I've met a few factory girls in CP BBS on the weekends earning extra money.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 03:55
I'm wondering SEAJoe and Pig Fat- is it your good looks that help you attract these girls right from the beginning? or You have some special method that I'm missing? Cause I find it quite difficult for me to get close to Non working girls. I mean these girls all know that you are in CP for one primary reason-mongering. How do you get over that hurdle? or do you just end up giving them a payment in the end to entice them?
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
It's called Nokia! All kidding aside, you may have better luck with Non-WGs in other places that are not known for mongering. Try SZ, GZ or some of the other towns in DG county. It is more believable that you are there for business and not just mongering.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chang Ping
12-29-09, 04:04
First thing first. Do you guys really think that ALL regular working gals had never been a WG in their past life?
Welll. Let me tell you, I KNOW of a number of EX-Wg's who are now working at dress shops, restaurants, beauty salons, veggie footsie gal, beer prmotion etc etc.
SEAJI concur with SEAJ's view on this. A number of my friend's also seem to be taken by "regular" girls and the "legit massage gals" they meet in CP for all the reasons already discussed. I just shake my head in mock surrender. But hey its their money and if they are happy. So be it.
I, like SEAJ, personally know of "regular" gals who have been WGs either part time or full time some time in the past and perhaps when they are going through difficult financial periods, go back to it for a while.
There was also this time when I was in a Spa (clean) where my buddies and I overheard conversations of gals (the group consisted of KJs, "regular" massage gals and Xiao Jies) discussing about their various suitors and about their past life as a WG. It was very enlightening and funny at the same time knowing what we know about our friends and other punters who crave for "normal" gals in CP.
When I see the pain, time, effort and $ these guys shell out in chasing the illusion, I can't help but wonder. WHY? Worse yet, when things don't pan out as hoped for or when they discover the truth that shatters their illusion, they start to mope about and go on a "I hate women" campaign WHEN all of this could be avoided easily in the first place.
So couple of learnings I summarize from my experiences thus far both direct and vicarious:
1. If you want to look for a regular gal. For heaven's sake. Do that in your home country (assuming its not a well known mongering place. Or at church (again its all about probablity). BUT you have to be crazy to think your odds of finding a "regular" gal in CP is good!
2 If you buy in to the illusion. Don't go looking to shatter that illusion.
3. If that illusion gets shattered. You only have yourself to blame. There are good women out there. You just went about the search all wrong.
The usual "absolves all wrong" clause applies. The above represents only my views and opinions.
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Bob Builder
12-29-09, 04:36
In all these entertainment places, the gals working or not are paid to listen your BS, it is part of their job description and can be penalized if you complain about them. So what you may feel is a connection is just a way of making you a repeat customer.
I hear bubbles bursting.
Fast Eddie 48
12-29-09, 07:32
Weelock,
When you say, "I was getting to know her pretty well....", what do you mean? Did you ever ask her out?
OAHOah,
You snooz you lose only idoit look for Girlfriend and wife in CP, many p4p in town why waste your time, I know some monger make promise to girl and play with their mind, I just p4p and tell them to get the hell out.
Fast Eddie 48
Bob Builder,
wow....my bubbles certainly did pop on that last comment. But thank you though, sometimes we all need to come back to reality once in a while and keep in check with that's real. Yes, they are paid to listen to our BS. A connection is only as real as how you feel it is I suppose. We should go into any situation thinking the worst outcome I suppose. Afterall, it's CP right? The mongering capital of China. I'm sure all those girls that are pretty get hit on day in day out. But then again, it's can't hurt to fantasize once in a while right?
My feet have landed on solid grounds now.
AsnDragon
In all these entertainment places, the gals working or not are paid to listen your BS, it is part of their job description and can be penalized if you complain about them. So what you may feel is a connection is just a way of making you a repeat customer.
I hear bubbles bursting.
OAH,
haha, nokia...that's a good one. Well...we can't all be as giving as SEAJoe right? j/k
Yeah It's hard to believe that you are not a monger in a place like CP. I would think that you would have more luck in GZ than in SZ, what do you think? I view SZ as also a semi mongering destination for HK guys who come up for some quick release on weekends as well. But GZ seems a bit more normal than SZ or CP. Regardless, I need to learn new methods from all you veterans to catch these regular girls...without using the Nokia method =) for that price, might as well just have P4P for 10-11 sessions at a BBS.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
It's called Nokia! All kidding aside, you may have better luck with Non-WGs in other places that are not known for mongering. Try SZ, GZ or some of the other towns in DG county. It is more believable that you are there for business and not just mongering.
Just my POV.
OAH
NonLinear,
Sauna girls hands down have higher chances of STDs. I mean a massage girl they send up to your room, in many of the big cities are in my opinion not as risky. A Sauna girl has to lick you from head to toe, anus to penis, you name it they do it. But with those massage girls that are sent to your room, many times they either give you a lame massage or a real legit massage and proceed to just give you FS without all the bells and whistles as Sauna girls do. In addition, I've had those massage girls that even try to weasel their way out of giving a Blow Job or even wanting a covered blow job. They at some point have some sort of negotiation power because if you look for a massage girl for FS, you are basically pretty desperate or there's not many options around to get WG.
In terms of Sauna girls--In fact, at the Virgin Sauna, they give you two pops. The first pop is done without even taking a shower many times. They strip you, blow you bareback and then proceed to use one of those useless sanitary wipes on your penis and proceed to a FS without even washing their little mei mei or your little di di beforehand. Which I find, in retrospect, a bit disgusting. BUt when in the moment of horniness your judgement takes a back seat sometimes.
I can never understand the names they give to their techniques: ie- bee on a flower, etc....it just sounds too funny. I sometimes joke with the Sauna girls on how or why these names are called the way they are. Like what a backward, hand stand blow job has anything to do with sky dragon whatever. I forget the names. But it's a real conversation piece right there.
AsnDragon
Yikes. That sounds scary.
How do you think sauna girls compare to the hotel massage girls in terms of STD risks? You know the ones they send up after calling your room.
Weelock,
agreed, I think sauna girls have the highest chances of getting STDs. I mean most of the blowjobs are BBBJ, and even though you can't get HIV from that, you can still get Herpes or a handful of other STDs. Yes they do give better service and are NEVER, well almost never, a dead fish. But at times, knowing that they service 7 guys a day 20 days a month, 140 guys a month in total kinda freaks me out sometimes. It's not even about the sloppy seconds issue, but more of....the fact that the sauna girl licks anuses and penises and does all of that sucking and licking on 140 guys a month either makes me feel bad for them at times or kinda grosses me out sometimes. Of course, I only feel this way after doing them...cause let's face it, a man only thinks clearly after they cum right?
AsnDragon
I would think Sauna girls (At least the Sauna I have been to) have least chance of catching stuff since they would clean customer up before anything starts, and they constantly spray disinfectant.
I think BBS girls and KTV girls have greater risk.
Just my 2 cents
CC
Jettsetter
12-29-09, 10:30
OAH,
haha, nokia...that's a good one. Well...we can't all be as giving as SEAJoe right? j/k
Yeah It's hard to believe that you are not a monger in a place like CP. I would think that you would have more luck in GZ than in SZ, what do you think? I view SZ as also a semi mongering destination for HK guys who come up for some quick release on weekends as well. But GZ seems a bit more normal than SZ or CP. Regardless, I need to learn new methods from all you veterans to catch these regular girls...without using the Nokia method =) for that price, might as well just have P4P for 10-11 sessions at a BBS.
AsnDragon
I don't think there's a trick per se... I think it's all about your connection with a particular gal and your pursuit of that gal. Almost any non-attached gal is within reach, so long as you play the role that matches what they're looking for. I mean obviously there's the general attraction thing.. i.e. does she find you attractive (whether it's physically or in terms of status - where I find gals sometimes aren't into just looks but also into finding someone stable, etc... i guess their version of marriage material).
Next, is your attitude and persistence... i.e. flirting, game, etc...
And finally, it's about you making the move to create situations where you can see her, take her out and create a situation where you can actually get them into bed.
All this takes time and patience, and even with that, there's no guarantee...
BSD and I had a bet with two legit footie gals, from a place that didn't allow us to take them out for pay... so we just simply kept going to the footies, maintained a "story" - i.e. don't ask don't tell about our mongering in CP, and flirted around, eventually getting them to agree on a double date...
We then individually worked on them, did all the right things, made the right moves, and whoala... they were in bed... no need to pay, but the time it took, i would have rather just paid.
The point being, at that point, you're dealing with emotions, etc... as they are sleeping with you because they really like you. This, I guess is a morality question, but I suppose you're both adults and know what you're getting yourselves into...
Remember, you pay the girls to leave... (as someone put it very wisely!!)...
Anyways, it's attainable, it was fun and refreshing to have some game to pick up gals that are non-working... but it comes at an added cost, because the no-strings things isn't available if you don't pay them to leave...
So moral is: be careful of what you wish for.. you might just get what you want, and that may not be what you ultimately want... :)
BTW: BSD and I implemented some techniques from the GAME - the book relating to "how to pick up women..." some of it is for specific situations, but some other parts of it really does work, as it deals with human nature and the responses you get to certain behaviors...
If not anything, you guys should read it for entertainment, and see how your game works on the non-working gals...
I say this only if you are interested in testing your skillz, because as we all know, the only GAME you need in CP comes in Red paper with Mao on the front and back....
Hahhaa...
Happy new year guys... Hope to see you all soon... (well most of you)...
-Jett
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 12:58
I would think Sauna girls (At least the Sauna I have been to) have least chance of catching stuff since they would clean customer up before anything starts, and they constantly spray disinfectant.
I think BBS girls and KTV girls have greater risk.
Just my 2 cents
CC
CC,
A voice from the past! Great to see you back.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-29-09, 13:09
OAH,
haha, nokia...that's a good one. Well...we can't all be as giving as SEAJoe right? j/k
Yeah It's hard to believe that you are not a monger in a place like CP. I would think that you would have more luck in GZ than in SZ, what do you think? I view SZ as also a semi mongering destination for HK guys who come up for some quick release on weekends as well. But GZ seems a bit more normal than SZ or CP. Regardless, I need to learn new methods from all you veterans to catch these regular girls...without using the Nokia method =) for that price, might as well just have P4P for 10-11 sessions at a BBS.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
SZ has a more diverse population with girls coming from all over China to work. This means that they are away from their family and may be lonely. The mongering aspect of SZ is small compared to the size of the place. On the other hand, GZ is more of a local community so you have more girls still living at home. However, the girls is SZ seem to be more savvy IMHO.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
12-29-09, 13:20
OAH,
haha, nokia...that's a good one. Well...we can't all be as giving as SEAJoe right? j/k
Yeah It's hard to believe that you are not a monger in a place like CP. I would think that you would have more luck in GZ than in SZ, what do you think? I view SZ as also a semi mongering destination for HK guys who come up for some quick release on weekends as well. But GZ seems a bit more normal than SZ or CP. Regardless, I need to learn new methods from all you veterans to catch these regular girls...without using the Nokia method =) for that price, might as well just have P4P for 10-11 sessions at a BBS.
AsnDragon
And there lies the heart of the problem, where guys calculate the worth of normal girl by how many shots they can get at a BBS.
I'm not saying there are not golddiggers out there but normal gals don't take jobs as waitresses serving drunken mongers in KTVs and washing stinky feet just so they can land bigger fish.
And to me, for guys who are relatively well educated and read books to systematically pick up women to go after simple village girls making an honest living would be comparable to someone in the West with a bag of candy going after a mentally retarded girl for sex. I have heard some BS from freebie hunters who say they fall in love with everyone of them but then fall out of love just as quickly which is around about just after they have bedded them.
Who gives a fuck about morals here anyway? A woman is only a life support system for a vagina, right?
Hey Guys
I recently spent a week in CP (my second trip) and the experience was completely different to my 1st visit in 2008. The reason was BSD!
I'm not sure what's been said/not said on the board regarding the services of BSD but i would whole-heartedly recommend anyone that wants to experience the KTV scene to get in touch with this guy.
What he brings to the table is companionship of fellow mongers and an open invitation to the KTV scene and believe me, in a town like CP that is invaluable!
BSD, made my hotel arrangements (Clipper) had a driver waiting for me at the hotel and even left a local SIM card for me to use at reception. Now that is what i call service!
Through him, i was introduced to some amazing guys (many of them ISG members) and experienced the KTV scene most nights. BSD as reported by others made sure that the bill was not inflated and did a great job of keeping away the drink vultures etc
I even managed to experience a certain nudie KTV
There is no point in me giving a detailed travelogue of the daily events as I have nothing new to add regarding the venues visited, however I will say that CP still rocks, albeit it is a little pricier for us Euro visitors.
BSD – thanks for a great time and I hope to hook up with you and the other guys in the very near future!
I would think Sauna girls (At least the Sauna I have been to) have least chance of catching stuff since they would clean customer up before anything starts, and they constantly spray disinfectant.
I think BBS girls and KTV girls have greater risk.
Just my 2 cents
CC
My favorite are saunas and I love the water-bed. On the average, between saunas, BBS, SW and KTV, they also give the best service.
Unless, an examination is given, like a blood test, it is almost impossible to know if a girl or guy has a sexual transmitted disease. You can also catch the other more common stuff, that are much more contagious like hepatitis, and Swine/Bird flu. For the more common stuff, a condom is not going to help much. Overall, the more sex partners you have, the more chance you can catch something. A simple spray disinfectant is not much if you are already infected with any kind of disease. This is just my opinion and I might be wrong. IMHO and IMBW.
So someone beat you to it and she now does have a boyfriend. You aren't the only guy going to CP and eating at the restaurant.
And it maybe that the guy is not a monger who has been going there for years and years as CP now has a lot of trading companies who have set up office there.
Did you ever go there with WGs and when were you going to make your move after all this time?
I have met many non-working girls in CP and China. I would guess at least 90% of the girls know what is CP for, and why guys come to CP. Another girl I met was in co-ed legit sauna this year in CP. We told her we are in CP for business but I am sure she knew we might be in CP for the other reasons. She wanted to learn English from me. I was a little hesitant to meet her but my friend told me to go. I met her at Starbucks for 2 days teaching her. I had to leave 2 days later and I told her before starting to teach her. Sorry, nothing happened. I later found out she is a DJ and at a big KTV. Most freebies at the end are too much work for me. Furthermore, there is no guarantee you are going to score with freebies.
Again, CP is known in Southern China for mongering. If you are going there, many girls will suspect you are in CP because of mongering.
Pig Fat,
I have done a few footie and legit massage girls but it takes time. As you might imagine, they get hit on constantly. A lot of them are married or have boyfriends but will not tell you that because it is bad for business. This may be the main reason they are not spreading their legs every day. Most of them are looking for more than a one night stand. Either they are looking for a long term relationship or a punter to take care of them financially. They can get very clingy after you do them and difficult to get rid of. I have had some bad experiences with this.
IMHO, most Chinese girls do not bed you with no strings attached just because you are a nice guy.
Just my POV.
OAHI used to live in CP for several years, so I'm not the usual monger. I have to say thay impression is exactly the same. In general the girls can be divided into the following groups:
1. The "Good Girls", coming from relatively traditional environments, not looking for casual sex and not so open to having relationships with strange guys. If you don't push too hard and slowly get closer to them, eventually it's possible to break-in and get what you want. The secret is to earn their trust first and only then go for it. These girls will go with you ONLY if they have a feeling this will lead to a relationship. You usually have to either lie to them, or just refuse to say anything about your plans for the future.
2. The "Bad Girls", who worked as WG before, or who are very stupid and believe having sex in the first date will start a wonderful relationship. Those girls are easier. You need to see in their eyes if they are impressed by you, and then just invite them. They will come.
3. The "Bored Girls", who work in factories, not getting too many chances to interact with other people, and living a boring life (work. eat. sleep). Those girls might be sitting in the park or on the street and looking at people passing by. It's usually not too difficult to pick them up and have fun.
4. The "Lonely Girls", who are slightly older (over 25) and not married. Those girls might even INITIATE casual sex with you, provided they fancy you.
My impression is based on the fact that I'm a "white" foreigner. For Asian looking guys, the experience will be completely different.
AsnDragon,
It's called Nokia! All kidding aside, you may have better luck with Non-WGs in other places that are not known for mongering. Try SZ, GZ or some of the other towns in DG county. It is more believable that you are there for business and not just mongering.
Just my POV.
OAH
Yes, it is called Nokia ! Remember James Chong ? There seems to be a pattern of giving cell phone to girls....
one eyed man,
there seems to be a misconception among ktv aficionados that ktv girls are somehow better than other p4p alternatives. this may be based on the higher price paid or the "warming up" period spent with them in the ktv before the deed.
i've had lengthy debates on this subject with fellow mongers. some tell me that they need the "romance" period before they do a girl in order to develop some chemistry. others tell me that ktv girls are cleaner since they only go with one punter per day (although seaj's post puts doubt into that theory). some say there are hotter looking girls in ktv and that they provide closer to a gfe experience.
imho, all of this is nonsense. i've had my share of good and bad with all types of providers at all price levels in china. ktv can be a fun way to party with your mates and the girls for an evening, but when it comes to quality and service, ktv girls are no better than the rest.
just my pov.
oah
as i've said many times about ktv, it's not about getting laid. if you go to ktv thinking only about getting laid, it's a really roundabout and expensive way to do it. it's about hanging out and having fun with girls, not getting laid.
as for gfe from ktv girls, it's like this. if you put in the effort to make it a boyfriend experience for the girl, you'll usually get gfe back. if you're personable and talk to the girl like you're actually interested about her, you'll usually get the same reciprocated. the thing is, my life is complicated enough and i don't need anymore women asking me personal things. even if i lie, it's an effort to keep up the lie. nowadays, i just have fun with the girl, tell her things like she's pretty and stuff. to be honest, i really don't give a shit where they're from and what their home life is like. if i wanna hear depressing stories about life on the farm, i'll just watch the grapes of wrath again.
Yes, it is called Nokia ! Remember James Chong ? There seems to be a pattern of giving cell phone to girls....
With gold at about $1100 a troy oz., it's cheaper than giving jewelry.
I have learned that girls who work as WG in KTV, when they are outside of their work environment and people ask them what they do, they always say that they are a DJ, so it sheds a better light on their reputation. This is what KTV girls tell me all the time and what they do sometimes to make themselves seem more "innocent." I think everyone in CP has a facade. It's kinda like a role playing environment, people always make up a story about themselves or who they are. Nobody ever seems to be who they are in CP.
AsnDragon
I have met many non-working girls in CP and China. I would guess at least 90% of the girls know what is CP for, and why guys come to CP. Another girl I met was in co-ed legit sauna this year in CP. We told her we are in CP for business but I am sure she knew we might be in CP for the other reasons. She wanted to learn English from me. I was a little hesitant to meet her but my friend told me to go. I met her at Starbucks for 2 days teaching her. I had to leave 2 days later and I told her before starting to teach her. Sorry, nothing happened. I later found out she is a DJ and at a big KTV. Most freebies at the end are too much work for me. Furthermore, there is no guarantee you are going to score with freebies.
Again, CP is known in Southern China for mongering. If you are going there, many girls will suspect you are in CP because of mongering.
Un Le 70,
Where do you go to find those honry and lonely 25 plus year olds? I find that CP is swarming with under 21 year olds but can never find those 25 year olds. I would like to meet some of them as I feel that some experience is sometimes better than no experience of a 18 year old. Yes 18 is still tighter and fresher, but I like variety, 25 is a good cut off for me, any older and I don't think I'd even try to make the effort.
in terms of the bored girls, are those the girls you see sitting in that courtyard park outside of Virgin and Hui Mei area? I didn't know those girls were up for grabs.
I learn something new everyday. I have to pick up a non working girl in CP one of these days. I never have enough time, and I'm not White. What to do?
AsnDragon
I used to live in CP for several years, so I'm not the usual monger. I have to say thay impression is exactly the same. In general the girls can be divided into the following groups:
1. The "Good Girls", coming from relatively traditional environments, not looking for casual sex and not so open to having relationships with strange guys. If you don't push too hard and slowly get closer to them, eventually it's possible to break-in and get what you want. The secret is to earn their trust first and only then go for it. These girls will go with you ONLY if they have a feeling this will lead to a relationship. You usually have to either lie to them, or just refuse to say anything about your plans for the future.
2. The "Bad Girls", who worked as WG before, or who are very stupid and believe having sex in the first date will start a wonderful relationship. Those girls are easier. You need to see in their eyes if they are impressed by you, and then just invite them. They will come.
3. The "Bored Girls", who work in factories, not getting too many chances to interact with other people, and living a boring life (work. eat. sleep). Those girls might be sitting in the park or on the street and looking at people passing by. It's usually not too difficult to pick them up and have fun.
4. The "Lonely Girls", who are slightly older (over 25) and not married. Those girls might even INITIATE casual sex with you, provided they fancy you.
My impression is based on the fact that I'm a "white" foreigner. For Asian looking guys, the experience will be completely different.
OAH,
I know you are a veteran in Southern China when it comes to getting girls, either Non working or WGs. But where do you go to get normal girls in SZ? Do you go further away to Futian or Shekou area? or do you hang around the Louhu area and just find them in Shopping malls and retails outlets in Dongmen?
I would love to follow you around and see how you work these girls. Cause from what i can tell you and eaglestar are masters of getting freebies and Non WG also.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
SZ has a more diverse population with girls coming from all over China to work. This means that they are away from their family and may be lonely. The mongering aspect of SZ is small compared to the size of the place. On the other hand, GZ is more of a local community so you have more girls still living at home. However, the girls is SZ seem to be more savvy IMHO.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 04:29
Un Le 70,
Where do you go to find those honry and lonely 25 plus year olds? I find that CP is swarming with under 21 year olds but can never find those 25 year olds. I would like to meet some of them as I feel that some experience is sometimes better than no experience of a 18 year old. Yes 18 is still tighter and fresher, but I like variety, 25 is a good cut off for me, any older and I don't think I'd even try to make the effort.
in terms of the bored girls, are those the girls you see sitting in that courtyard park outside of Virgin and Hui Mei area? I didn't know those girls were up for grabs.
I learn something new everyday. I have to pick up a non working girl in CP one of these days. I never have enough time, and I'm not White. What to do?
AsnDragon
NOT to be knocking anybody - especially you AsnDragon as I know that you're a decent type guy, BUT....
Have you guys thought out thoroughly about the implications of "doing Freebies?" especially in places like CP? I had reminded another poster that doing so is not really cricket and is probably taking too much advantage of these gals as its too much like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's pretty common knowledge that CP - and many other small enclaves in China - are there only because mongering is the principal activity i.e both the gals as well as the guys KNOW what they are there for!
And that being so, the gals go there knowing full well that, no matter what method or profession they chose, they're gonna end up spreading their legs to fulfil their ONLY desire - which is to earn $$$ to make a fresh start, to figure out an emergency, whatever.
Here you guys come along, with your higher education, your sophistication, your ways of the world AND wafting scent of $$$ as you make your presence unmistakable. Your "quarry" now is like a doe staring into headlights - and what does the unthinking (perhaps uncaring) monger do - he runs straight into her!!
These SYT's and their farm gal mentality/their lack of education - are they any match for you, are they able to put up any defenses - or are they like sheep to slaughter? Think about it, please.
I write this only as a reminder that most of you guys are in so much of a better place than these gals that it's not really warranted to......
Yes, I understand the hunt is probably 90% of the enjoyment - especially for those who've become too jaded from doing gals just as if they're ordering a Happy Meal at McD; and that is why I also do supposed non-WG's, BUT, I ALWAYS pay them in one form or another (more in $$$ than NOKIAS I'll have you know!! so there Weelock/OAH!).
Just a friendly reminder and May the God of Karma shower you with her bounty for even considering this post.
The above of course only IMHO, my opinion and my very gentle suggestion!!
THANKS!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 05:00
Further to my previous post - who ARE these gals? Those that a lot of guys would consider to be NOT in the trade? Those who some guys may come back and tell me off on - that these are decent gals - how dare I accuse them of also being in "on the game." (Especially if they're already in a relationship with such a gal. LOL!!)
Or to remind me that "all's fair in Love and War" - Yes, but is it? LOVE is a an unselfish emotion - but what we're doing has got nothing remotely akin to unselfishness. We're only after SEX - of course except for some of the more clueless ones amongst us who's actually seeking for Love..... IN CP!!! LOL!
Well, yes I perhaps am generalizing a bit too much - but let me give you my analysis.
The first group of gals are those who've taken up jobs where they're in close proximity to guys - and yet, well protected/within their rights to refuse anybody; these include veggie footsie gals, Golf caddies - (even, and especially the caddie masters), KTV DJ's, Mommies, the beer promoters, ear cleaners, etc - and these are gals that are after the bigger prey. They go on their job, patiently waiting for JUST the right guy to come along .... spot one, and that's when they spring into action. ** Warning** These are the clingers, the impossible to get rid of for the unwary.
The second group of gals are the ambivalent ones - those that originally thought that they were there only to do their job - but then see all these gals going in and out, looking as if they're having such a good time AND sometimes making more in a day than they could be, slaving away for a whole month. These includes the hotel receptionists, the restaurant waitresses (even McD, KFC etc), the chamber maids (Omigawd!! Someone here would actually do a CP chamber maid??!!), the gal working at the dress shop (watching all these gals with their B/F of the day on a spending spree), the telephone shop gals etc etc. and if they ever do decide to go with you - they're more likely than not, doing it to try to earn some $$$
The third group would be the totally unaware/those who really has no intentions at all to have any paid sex. These are those working somewhere part time as they've already got their "sponsors' taking care of them and working just to show their sponsor that they're NOT in the game anymore, and also those truly innocent gals who're thrilled at being able to earn RMB 1,000/month!
OK, I think I've covered most of the gals in CP - and you tell me - no, better, tell yourself - would it really be fair for you to go after them, screw them and then leave 'em WITHOUT at least leaving a few Red Maos or some other equivalent gifts/rewards?? (well, perhaps the Ernai's - but hell they come with a totally new set of problems/quandaries!!)
Remember - you're the sophisticated world traveler, with higher education AND net worth! And That you really are NOT in any position to give them long lasting love and loving as you're only visiting, and either married, already in a relationship or KNOW that affairs with gals of questionable morality in a town renown for paid sex to be NOT a good idea.
Apologies if I hit upon any raw nerves - and please don't start blasting away at me - as indeed these are only IMHO; and as adults, I suggest that we all can agree to disagree without any rancour/ill feelings (seeing as the last few pages had been such an enthusiastic forum for freebie sex!!)
Thanks and ciao
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 05:37
as i've said many times about ktv, it's not about getting laid. if you go to ktv thinking only about getting laid, it's a really roundabout and expensive way to do it. it's about hanging out and having fun with girls, not getting laid.
as for gfe from ktv girls, it's like this. if you put in the effort to make it a boyfriend experience for the girl, you'll usually get gfe back. if you're personable and talk to the girl like you're actually interested about her, you'll usually get the same reciprocated. the thing is, my life is complicated enough and i don't need anymore women asking me personal things. even if i lie, it's an effort to keep up the lie. nowadays, i just have fun with the girl, tell her things like she's pretty and stuff. to be honest, i really don't give a shit where they're from and what their home life is like. if i wanna hear depressing stories about life on the farm, i'll just watch the grapes of wrath again.
this.... is a helluva good advise: "....if you put in the effort to make it a boyfriend experience for the girl, you'll usually get gfe back...."
is this not what some of you should be thinking of instead - that it's not actually the freebie part, but the gfe feeling one gets if they think it's a freebie instead of a paybie?
and moody - i'd suggest that all "the depressing personal stuff"comes with the territory and to really be able to experience a "sort of" gfe, one does need to delve into these uncharted - and probably dangerous - waters.
to others here, let me suggest that you set your own parameters - like i guess moody is already doing with keeping these personal stuff to only the fun parts - but that doing so, you would only be scratching the gfe surface.
not a good idea to get into it too deep either - and that is why i suggest you knowing your own parameters and to make sure you do not allow yourself/remind yourself periodically to not ever be sucked into a downwards spiral unawares.
and at the end of the evening/your holiday here - come up with red maos!!
just imho
seaj
Was at the Manhattan last night and whilst it WAS a Sunday night, I was quite surprised at how many rooms there were that was NOT occupied.
SEAJ
I think business is just slow as in December, I was at PP an HK haunt and there were still rooms available on friday and saturday night at 7pm. on friday they had smaller rooms and on saturday larger, but were willing to give for smaller price. I think Eurasia is busy/full drawing alot of customers from the other places. Manhattan and Jia yi both also seemed to be suffering. HH gets most customers from inside hotel so they are likely busy..
It has not been trouble getting a room anywhere - if i recall we got a Fuhao room a few hours before opening on a friday... so yes business is slow. i do not think because of crackdowns, i think perhaps economic reasons.
I used to live in CP for several years, so I'm not the usual monger. I have to say thay impression is exactly the same. In general the girls can be divided into the following groups:
1. The "Good Girls", coming from relatively traditional environments, not looking for casual sex and not so open to having relationships with strange guys. If you don't push too hard and slowly get closer to them, eventually it's possible to break-in and get what you want. The secret is to earn their trust first and only then go for it. These girls will go with you ONLY if they have a feeling this will lead to a relationship. You usually have to either lie to them, or just refuse to say anything about your plans for the future.
2. The "Bad Girls", who worked as WG before, or who are very stupid and believe having sex in the first date will start a wonderful relationship. Those girls are easier. You need to see in their eyes if they are impressed by you, and then just invite them. They will come.
3. The "Bored Girls", who work in factories, not getting too many chances to interact with other people, and living a boring life (work. eat. sleep). Those girls might be sitting in the park or on the street and looking at people passing by. It's usually not too difficult to pick them up and have fun.
4. The "Lonely Girls", who are slightly older (over 25) and not married. Those girls might even INITIATE casual sex with you, provided they fancy you.
My impression is based on the fact that I'm a "white" foreigner. For Asian looking guys, the experience will be completely different.
Excellent condensed report, also from laowei point of view.
Where do you go to find those honry and lonely 25 plus year olds? I find that CP is swarming with under 21 year olds but can never find those 25 year olds.
AsnDragon
Shenzhen is a good place, especially on the subway. Even this laowei managed to do it with my mandarin. lol. actually i dropped my subway card and she picked it up before i could move, so perhaps she was prowling. hell if i know if she was 25 probably 30, but very pretty and dressed for the office.
Shenzhen again ... i was approached by a 25 yr old that insisted on giving me her business card for 'transportation' but clearly it was a front to say hello. i certainly didn't need her personal cell written on the card. however i have the laowei thing going and she did try her english.
there is no point to do that in CP, and it is far easier and believable to be able to do that elsewhere.
i would imaging if you wanted bored factory girls you'd have to go closer to alot of the big factory areas as transportation options are probably limited to bus. i've been to cities where they pour out of the factory at quitting time and have seen some genuine cuties. they often eat evening meal at cheap outdoor street food if the factory doesn't have dinner service. however most factories are 6 days a week making sunday the only off day.
I have learned that girls who work as WG in KTV, when they are outside of their work environment and people ask them what they do, they always say that they are a DJ
I have also said that about KTV girls to give them some face. If they want to go with you to another KTV an say they are a DJ, then fine with me. Clearly there is less stigma attached to being a DJ.
Yes, I understand the hunt is probably 90% of the enjoyment - especially for those who've become too jaded from doing gals just as if they're ordering a Happy Meal at McD; and that is why I also do supposed non-WG's, BUT, I ALWAYS pay them in one form or another (more in $$$ than NOKIAS I'll have you know!! so there Weelock/OAH!).
Happy Meal at McD, ROFL.... SEAJ you are a poet.
Yes of course it is the hunt. I completely agree that it is unfair to lead them on just to bag them and go. I think we know a few people who have done that and don't see the unfair advantage they have taken. I think if you take that road you should give the maos or nokias or something to at least compensate. perhaps the money would be the illusion of caring, but at least it is something. just because you can be an asshole doesn't mean you have to be one.
remember you always pay them to leave...
Happy Meal at McD, ROFL.... SEAJ you are a poet.
Yes of course it is the hunt. I completely agree that it is unfair to lead them on just to bag them and go. I think we know a few people who have done that and don't see the unfair advantage they have taken. I think if you take that road you should give the maos or nokias or something to at least compensate. perhaps the money would be the illusion of caring, but at least it is something. just because you can be an asshole doesn't mean you have to be one.
remember you always pay them to leave...
Not to taking an unfair advantage, you can always tell the girls, potential freebies, that you are married. In this way you don't lead her on and hurt their feelings later. Then see what is her re-action and see if she still wants to go out with you. All of Tiger Woods girls knew he was married but he has billions.
It also goes the other way around, the girl using you. James Chong gave a Nokia and was taken by the girl. James thought he had a relationship going. Unfortunately, the girl broke his heart. Broken heart has happened to me and every other guy at one time.
Like Moody said with metals now being so expensive like gold/silver, you can always give her fake jewelry instead of a cell phone. :rolleyes: Just a stupid joke.
EDIT:
Chang Ping
12-30-09, 07:27
Like Moody said with metals being so expensive like gold/silver, you can always give her fake jewelry instead of a cell phone..Not of any real consequence but I think Moody's point was that with gold (and extension of which are precious gems) being so expensive these days its cheaper to be giving away cell phones. Better yet, fake cell phones heheh
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 10:50
With gold at about $1100 a troy oz., it's cheaper than giving jewelry.
Silver is the way to go. Still cheaper than Nokias ;)
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 10:53
I have learned that girls who work as WG in KTV, when they are outside of their work environment and people ask them what they do, they always say that they are a DJ, so it sheds a better light on their reputation. This is what KTV girls tell me all the time and what they do sometimes to make themselves seem more "innocent." I think everyone in CP has a facade. It's kinda like a role playing environment, people always make up a story about themselves or who they are. Nobody ever seems to be who they are in CP.
AsnDragon
Kind of like, me. I like to tell people I go there for business... Monkey business. :)
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 10:57
Silver is the way to go. Still cheaper than Nokias ;)
Dan Dan Dan!!
Silver..........???!!!
Silver is so cheap ass!!
She'll probably say thanks, no need to be so kind and to have taken the trouble - just give me more tips instead and give your nice present to your real girl friend!!
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 11:22
I must agree with SEAJ on this matter. Just pay the girls. I know I have no game, I don't even speak the language, just maybe 50 words. But I really do have fun playing and paying for fun/girls. I just don't see why you want to play the game with CP girls. I mean, they are human too, and are there to make money. You must know they are sacrificing a lot (their dignity and youth, being viloated and disgusted). I feel if you try to play them and try to get it for free, it's really like you are trying to steal/con them out of their product. Kind of like a thief, but worse..., toying, lying, and fucking with their emotions also.
Just be honest and nice, and pay for the services rendered.
Honestly, if you had the best game in the world, why are you in a foreign 3rd world country trying to get freebies? Why not stay at home and get the hotest girls in your hometown?
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 11:28
Dan Dan Dan!!
Silver..........???!!!
Silver is so cheap ass!!
She'll probably say thanks, no need to be so kind and to have taken the trouble - just give me more tips instead and give your nice present to your real girl friend!!
SEAJ
Hahaha, you nokia giving ole man. I guess you tried giving them silver already, your response seems so reality like. ;)
Just plate the sliver with white gold. If she don't like your silver gift, then she's a gold digger. And say, here's 15 rmb for a one way taxi ride outta here. hahaha.
Chang Ping
12-30-09, 11:31
Just be honest and nice, and pay for the services rendered.
Honestly, if you had the best game in the world, why the fuck are you in a foreign 3rd world country trying to get freebies? Why not stay at home and get the hotest girls in your hometown?I speak the language, am ethnically chinese AND still wholly agree with you, every single iota!
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 11:39
I must agree with SEAJ on this matter. Just pay the girls. I know I have no game, I don't even speak the language, just maybe 50 words. But I really do have fun playing and paying for fun/girls. I just don't see why you want to play the game with CP girls. I mean, they are human too, and are there to make money. You must know they are sacrificing a lot (their dignity and youth, being viloated and disgusted). I feel if you try to play them and try to get it for free, it's really like you are trying to steal/con them out of their product. Kind of like a thief, but worse..., toying, lying, and fucking with their emotions also.
Just be honest and nice, and pay for the services rendered.
Honestly, if you had the best game in the world, why the fuck are you in a foreign 3rd world country trying to get freebies? Why not stay at home and get the hotest girls in your hometown?
Ooooh Ooooh....... Ooooh!!
Careful there Buddy.....Dem's pretty damn close to cussin' words thou art uttering.
And before anybody here starts jumping up and down on our young friend - he's just bein' his boisterous self again/again gettin' all riled up here when things ain't important enough to get all riled up about. Don't pay no attention to him please.
Thanks
SEAJ
Don't get riled
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 11:43
Hahaha, you nokia giving ole man. I guess you tried giving them silver already, your response seems so reality like. ;)
Just plate the sliver with white gold. If she don't like your silver gift, then she's a gold digger. And say, here's 15 rmb for a one way taxi ride outta here. hahaha.
Whaddya mean giving 'em silver - I been tryin' to give 'em HK$20 watches - and telling them proudly that I got these beauties in Hong Kong for HK$20!!
"Thank you for being so kind and thoughtful and taking the time and trouble to do so. These are so nice, why don't you just give them to your wife? Smooch smooch kiss kiss!!...."
Hmmmmm.... I seem to recall that happening/being said - to me? Geez - really?
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 11:57
"Thank you for being so kind and thoughtful and taking the time and trouble to do so. These are so nice, why don't you just give them to your wife? Smooch smooch kiss kiss!!...."
Hmmmmm.... I seem to recall that happening/being said - to me? Geez - really?
SEAJ
Hahaha, I knew it. Atleast you had the guts to say it out loud. I could just imagine one of these cunning girls saying that to me... if I knew mandarin. But that's another sneaky way for the girls to find out if you are married or not.
Sometimes, but rarely, I'm glad I don' speak the language.
BTW, I might be coming to CP on Jan 15. Kind of on the fence, though.
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 12:17
Not to taking an unfair advantage, you can always tell the girls, potential freebies, that you are married. In this way you don't lead her on and hurt their feelings later. Then see what is her re-action and see if she still wants to go out with you. All of Tiger Woods girls knew he was married but he has billions.
It also goes the other way around, the girl using you. James Chong gave a Nokia and was taken by the girl. The girl broke his heart. Broken heart has happened to me and every other guys at one time.
Like Moody said with metals now being so expensive like gold/silver, you can always give her fake jewelry instead of a cell phone. :rolleyes: Just a stupid joke.
Still on this trying to get freebies huh?
Welllll.... let me tell you, I ALWAYS tell 'em I'm good and married and I'm very devoted//love my wife/treat my wife well.
That way they KNOW I'm a good guy and a very deireable person for a husband.... their husband instead of my wife's.... and give them all the more incentive to really snare me!!
GFE??? Ain't nuthin' compared to husband stealin'!!
But like I said - pay 'em regardless.
Ho Ho Ho!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-30-09, 12:19
Hahaha, I knew it. Atleast you had the guts to say it out loud. I could just imagine one of these cunning girls saying that to me... if I knew mandarin. But that's another sneaky way for the girls to find out if you are married or not.
Sometimes, but rarely, I'm glad I don' speak the language.
BTW, I might be coming to CP on Jan 15. Kind of on the fence, though.
YUCK!!! Don't know mandarin and yet you still get away with sweeping all these fair maidens of ours!
Musta been your party like a rock star personnae.
Green with envy
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 12:20
Ooooh Ooooh....... Ooooh!!
Careful there Buddy.....Dem's pretty damn close to cussin' words thou art uttering.
And before anybody here starts jumping up and down on our young friend - he's just bein' his boisterous self again/again gettin' all riled up here when things ain't important enough to get all riled up about. Don't pay no attention to him please.
Thanks
SEAJ
Don't get riled
Yes, you are right, I edited and toned down my language, but just trying to get a point across. Sorry and no offense to anyone.
Yes, I know playing the game is fun and a self esteem builder. But lying and toying with emotions is not cool. If she likes you for who you are, then great, you are one lucky dude. But putting on a façade is just plain lying.
Dan Hawaii
12-30-09, 12:27
YUCK!!! Don't know mandarin and yet you still get away with sweeping all these fair maidens of ours!
Musta been your party lkie a rock star personnae.
Green with envy
SEAJ
Nah, I just had good wingmen, their names are Mao 1, Mao 2, Mao 3, etc... ;)
I have learned that girls who work as WG in KTV, when they are outside of their work environment and people ask them what they do, they always say that they are a DJ, so it sheds a better light on their reputation. This is what KTV girls tell me all the time and what they do sometimes to make themselves seem more "innocent." I think everyone in CP has a facade. It's kinda like a role playing environment, people always make up a story about themselves or who they are. Nobody ever seems to be who they are in CP.
AsnDragon
This might be the case in CP, but not really anywhere else. At most places in SZ for example, the DJ girls are just like all the other girls, the girls just take turns being the DJ for whatever reason. Most of the time, they're on the job. Sometimes they're a little more picky about who they go with. If they like you, they'll make it known they're available, if they don't like you, they'll give some nonsense excuse about DJs not being allowed to go with customers. More than a few times in SZ, I've taken the DJ girl back because the girl I was with got really drunk.
Hi brothers and fun & love seekers
I'm just having a nice time with friends and family during the Christmas and new years holidays.
When I just did the darnest thing, I went onlina and booked a plane ticket to China the 12: e of January
My originally plan was going around 28: e and come back in March spending the Chinese New Years over there, don't get me wrong i'm still spending CNY over there but just going there earlier.
I don't know why but I just had the strangest feelings that I wanna be there, these past few days made my life feel very. Very boring that's all.
So when the opportunity came I took it.
I have no idea what will happen when I get there but the fact that i'm going is making shake with anticipation, and my body's adrenalin is pumping and making me exciting. I think I still have some native friends (Living in China) I can call and go out and have a good time.
Yeah it's going to be a blast, and you can count on a trip to CP tyhat's for sure maybe will be staying there for a week or two *hehehe*
So Happy New Years LADS And Bloody Good Hunting.
Hi brothers and fun & love seekers
I'm just having a nice time with friends and family during the Christmas and new years holidays.
When I just did the darnest thing, I went onlina and booked a plane ticket to China the 12: e of January
My originally plan was going around 28: e and come back in March spending the Chinese New Years over there, don't get me wrong i'm still spending CNY over there but just going there earlier.
I don't know why but I just had the strangest feelings that I wanna be there, these past few days made my life feel very. Very boring that's all.
So when the opportunity came I took it.
I have no idea what will happen when I get there but the fact that i'm going is making shake with anticipation, and my body's adrenalin is pumping and making me exciting. I think I still have some native friends (Living in China) I can call and go out and have a good time.
Yeah it's going to be a blast, and you can count on a trip to CP tyhat's for sure maybe will be staying there for a week or two *hehehe*
So Happy New Years LADS And Bloody Good Hunting.
Still on this trying to get freebies huh?
Welllll. Let me tell you, I ALWAYS tell 'them I'm good and married and I'm very devoted//love my wife/treat my wife well.
That way they KNOW I'm a good guy and a very deireable person for a husband. Their husband instead of my wife's. And give them all the more incentive to really snare me!
GFE? Ain't nuthin' compared to husband stealin'!
But like I said. Pay 'them regardless.
Ho Ho Ho!
SEAJI have never had problems with freebies. I tell them up front that I am married and two grown kids in college(one in grad school). I tell them upfront that there will be no divorce. Tell them honestly and you will never have a problem. Well the only problem you will have is them shoving their pussies in my face. For me, I can handle it just as long as their pussy in nice an smooth. Hey SEAJ, I am not telling them that I want it smooth, they are doing it on their own, with their own razors. Really. I don't tell girls that many ABC's loves smooth pussy.
As for Weelock, tell him to try the honesty approach and he will not have issues with getting freebies. I have more than I can handle. I just love being an ABC in China, I'm damm near the top of the food chain. Many of my freebies are well to do trophy wives of much too busy businessmen that have a habit of working 24/7/365 and spend way too much time mongering and seeking out concubines.
Just my two rmb.
Fast Eddie 48
12-31-09, 06:44
Silver is the way to go. Still cheaper than Nokias.To Dan
The girl in CP are not dumb they want gold your GOLD not sliver, so next time you go to China bring some gold, you can sell me what left cheap.
HAHAHA
Fast Eddie 48
SEAJoe,
Point well taken. I'm not talking about a freebie or just pump and dump type of deal. I'm meaning more in terms of, going out on a date with the girl..like take them to a nicer restaurant and perhaps go shopping or just doing regular activities with them. I don't mind buying them things, in which most cases, even if I did get a freebie I would still give them a present. But it's just the feeling of being able to do a girl and not just give her cash. Sometime's I'd prefer to give them presents or help them out in buying something they wanted but couldn't or wouldn't buy etc. It's the whole GFE feel of things i'm referring to instead of the whole cold transaction of, coming into the room, them asking if you want to shower first of they shower first. then she waits in the bed after the shower watching TV for 30 seconds before turning to you wanting to turn you on and get the whole ordeal over with. It's the whole mechanical routine that gets a bit boring after a couple of weeks at a BBS. I mean heck, i'd like to do what you do sometimes and pick up regular girls and get to know them better. I think being able to give gifts instead of cash just makes the whole mood feel a bit more friendly wouldn't you say?
AsnDragon
NOT to be knocking anybody - especially you AsnDragon as I know that you're a decent type guy, BUT....
Have you guys thought out thoroughly about the implications of "doing Freebies?" especially in places like CP? I had reminded another poster that doing so is not really cricket and is probably taking too much advantage of these gals as its too much like shooting fish in a barrel.
It's pretty common knowledge that CP - and many other small enclaves in China - are there only because mongering is the principal activity i.e both the gals as well as the guys KNOW what they are there for!
And that being so, the gals go there knowing full well that, no matter what method or profession they chose, they're gonna end up spreading their legs to fulfil their ONLY desire - which is to earn $$$ to make a fresh start, to figure out an emergency, whatever.
Here you guys come along, with your higher education, your sophistication, your ways of the world AND wafting scent of $$$ as you make your presence unmistakable. Your "quarry" now is like a doe staring into headlights - and what does the unthinking (perhaps uncaring) monger do - he runs straight into her!!
These SYT's and their farm gal mentality/their lack of education - are they any match for you, are they able to put up any defenses - or are they like sheep to slaughter? Think about it, please.
I write this only as a reminder that most of you guys are in so much of a better place than these gals that it's not really warranted to......
Yes, I understand the hunt is probably 90% of the enjoyment - especially for those who've become too jaded from doing gals just as if they're ordering a Happy Meal at McD; and that is why I also do supposed non-WG's, BUT, I ALWAYS pay them in one form or another (more in $$$ than NOKIAS I'll have you know!! so there Weelock/OAH!).
Just a friendly reminder and May the God of Karma shower you with her bounty for even considering this post.
The above of course only IMHO, my opinion and my very gentle suggestion!!
THANKS!!
SEAJ
Dan H,
Even if I have game, I would not try to find the hottest girl in my own hometown, because even the hottest girl i can find here will never be as pretty as Girls in China. =) That's why people travel thousands of miles to come to China, because the girls there are JUST that much PRETTIER.
Just my personal opinion.
AsnDragon
I must agree with SEAJ on this matter. Just pay the girls. I know I have no game, I don't even speak the language, just maybe 50 words. But I really do have fun playing and paying for fun/girls. I just don't see why you want to play the game with CP girls. I mean, they are human too, and are there to make money. You must know they are sacrificing a lot (their dignity and youth, being viloated and disgusted). I feel if you try to play them and try to get it for free, it's really like you are trying to steal/con them out of their product. Kind of like a thief, but worse..., toying, lying, and fucking with their emotions also.
Just be honest and nice, and pay for the services rendered.
Honestly, if you had the best game in the world, why are you in a foreign 3rd world country trying to get freebies? Why not stay at home and get the hotest girls in your hometown?
busy businessmen that have a habit of working 24/7/365
They could always tell them they are out looking for fresh pussy that goes down well with the wife.
Dan H,
Even if I have game, I would not try to find the hottest girl in my own hometown, because even the hottest girl i can find here will never be as pretty as Girls in China. =) That's why people travel thousands of miles to come to China, because the girls there are JUST that much PRETTIER.
Just my personal opinion.
AsnDragon
And in my country any woman under 45 tells me to get stuffed. Thats unless they find out how much money you have then it's bees to the honey pot. Then when they find out its a lie they are easy to get rid off anyway.
Bob Builder
12-31-09, 08:24
Whether you pay in Cash or with a gift, the gal does not really care as long as the $$$ value is around about the same. It may make you feel better, "you are not paying for it".
I had some cheapass guy who I used to monger with who bought a gal a RMB600 Nokia. When she saw it she turned up her nose and pulled out her brand new RMB3000 Samsung and showed the guy. I think that Nokia was cenveniently lost at phone shop the next day for around RMB300. This guy was always an idiot as he would not like anyone he new to go with any gal he had. he never got upset at any of the other 100s that boned his gals he didn't know.
OldAsiaHand
12-31-09, 11:51
OAH,
I know you are a veteran in Southern China when it comes to getting girls, either Non working or WGs. But where do you go to get normal girls in SZ? Do you go further away to Futian or Shekou area? or do you hang around the Louhu area and just find them in Shopping malls and retails outlets in Dongmen?
I would love to follow you around and see how you work these girls. Cause from what i can tell you and eaglestar are masters of getting freebies and Non WG also.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
First of all, I cannot hold a candle to Eaglestar. He is the King of the Freebies.
I had some limited success when I was living in SZ and when I was there nearly every week afterwards. You must remember one thing. I am living in China so I have the luxury of time on my side. Since you don't, I suggest that you follow the strategy of other successful members and start on the internet. By far, they have the highest hit rate by getting to know the girl online first. I know one member of this forum that lines up 10-12 girls to meet when he arrives in SZ but he spends a huge amount of time online to do it.
I flirt (in a joking kind of way) with almost every girl I encounter and look for signs. It can be in conjunction with work, in restaurants, shops, malls, hotels; even just walking down the street. I very rarely go to pick-up bars. I don't think any district is better than others, but I've had most of my luck in Futian. Believe me, I have wasted a lot of time and money on the chase and ended up with blue balls much more often than not. Most of my success are 25-35 yo (youngest 19, oldest 50 mistake), single or divorced with ordinary jobs with the exeption of a few legit massage girls and a couple of BBS mamas. I do not go for married women for fear and/or guilt although there are a lot of these available. I can count on less than one hand, the number of one night stands where I met a girl and bedded her the first time. And, I cannot say completely freebie since I always pay their way e.g. dinners, drinks, hotels, small gifts, etc.
Now, it may sound like I am banging freebies everyday, but truth be told, I only score 3-4 per year on average, compared to nearly 100 P4P. The only reason I go for it is ego and the GFE feeling of doing a girl that wants to do you compared to one you pay.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
12-31-09, 11:56
I have never had problems with freebies. I tell them up front that I am married and two grown kids in college(one in grad school). I tell them upfront that there will be no divorce. Tell them honestly and you will never have a problem. Well the only problem you will have is them shoving their pussies in my face. For me, I can handle it just as long as their pussy in nice an smooth. Hey SEAJ, I am not telling them that I want it smooth, they are doing it on their own, with their own razors. Really. I don't tell girls that many ABC's loves smooth pussy.
As for Weelock, tell him to try the honesty approach and he will not have issues with getting freebies. I have more than I can handle. I just love being an ABC in China, I'm damm near the top of the food chain. Many of my freebies are well to do trophy wives of much too busy businessmen that have a habit of working 24/7/365 and spend way too much time mongering and seeking out concubines.
Just my two rmb.
Bnlee2,
When asked, I also tell girls that I am married with a family. But, I reckon it reduces my chances of success dramatically. Sure, you have the "husband stealing" type, but the majority walk away unless you are very, very rich in which case they just go along for the ride and what they can get out of it. In that case, is it really a freebie?
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
12-31-09, 12:13
I have never had problems with freebies. I tell them up front that I am married and two grown kids in college(one in grad school). I tell them upfront that there will be no divorce. Tell them honestly and you will never have a problem. Well the only problem you will have is them shoving their pussies in my face. For me, I can handle it just as long as their pussy in nice an smooth. Hey SEAJ, I am not telling them that I want it smooth, they are doing it on their own, with their own razors. Really. I don't tell girls that many ABC's loves smooth pussy.
As for Weelock, tell him to try the honesty approach and he will not have issues with getting freebies. I have more than I can handle. I just love being an ABC in China, I'm damm near the top of the food chain. Many of my freebies are well to do trophy wives of much too busy businessmen that have a habit of working 24/7/365 and spend way too much time mongering and seeking out concubines.
Just my two rmb.
You are the man...until one of those guys catches up with you and cuts your prick off.
Bnlee2,
When asked, I also tell girls that I am married with a family. But, I reckon it reduces my chances of success dramatically. Sure, you have the "husband stealing" type, but the majority walk away unless you are very, very rich in which case they just go along for the ride and what they can get out of it. In that case, is it really a freebie?
Just my POV.
OAH
I agree with OAH as soon as you say married the husband seekers most of the time run. I have found if you stay friends for a year then they relax a bit but the biggest problem is some place to go to. Chinese girls are very shy in public but not so in private. I have booked hotels when they say but spur of the moment is difficult. You also have the working hours problem as they are always working. Taking them on business trips are a good way. Money wise your better to spend the night in a top sauna with 3 top girls you will save money. I had one long time Chinese freebie in Australia she was no problem but the next boyfriend started to give me and my friends trouble even though I was 13000 km away. Must have trained her to sit on his face too well. I just ignored him and he went away. Funny thing never heard from her husband.
I agree with OAH as soon as you say married the husband seekers most of the time run. I have found if you stay friends for a year then they relax a bit but the biggest problem is some place to go to. Chinese girls are very shy in public but not so in private. I have booked hotels when they say but spur of the moment is difficult. You also have the working hours problem as they are always working. Taking them on business trips are a good way. Money wise your better to spend the night in a top sauna with 3 top girls you will save money. I had one long time Chinese freebie in Australia she was no problem but the next boyfriend started to give me and my friends trouble even though I was 13000 km away. Must have trained her to sit on his face too well. I just ignored him and he went away. Funny thing never heard from her husband.
Telling that you are married is a NO because your chances will drop considerably. Yes, this is true. What about telling her you have a girl friend but it's not serious ? This tells her your options are opened. I wonder what is the repsonse if you ask them out after telling about your girlfriend.
Seriously, you don't want to use them like I few guys I know. One of them think he's god's gift to woman with his money and looks. He likes to brag about his freebies.
So, If I was rich and powerful in China, and if I found you sleeping with my wife or you got my daughter pregnant, you will be hearding from me. Sadly, I'm poor and and with no power.
I still think getting freebies on the average involves too much time, money and sometimes dishonest deception.
Un Le 70,
Where do you go to find those honry and lonely 25 plus year olds? I find that CP is swarming with under 21 year olds but can never find those 25 year olds. I would like to meet some of them as I feel that some experience is sometimes better than no experience of a 18 year old. Yes 18 is still tighter and fresher, but I like variety, 25 is a good cut off for me, any older and I don't think I'd even try to make the effort.
in terms of the bored girls, are those the girls you see sitting in that courtyard park outside of Virgin and Hui Mei area? I didn't know those girls were up for grabs.
I learn something new everyday. I have to pick up a non working girl in CP one of these days. I never have enough time, and I'm not White. What to do?
AsnDragonI can think about 2 places and I'll share a story with you about one of them. Again, it works for me, a white guy, who can speak basic Chinese:
I recently paid a visit to the Foot Massage section of the Walters hotel. For sure it's not my preferred place, but I had my reasons to go there. Since I don't know any girl there I just got what they gave me. I went their 2 times and got 2 different girls. I played a little with the girls, by pretending I cannot speak the language, just to see what will happen.
Girls #1, I kept silent until we were half-way through. Then I started talking to her. She was shocked to hear me and then started opening up. At the last stage of service, after drying up my feet, I suddenly found her lying flat on me and kissing me. I wasn't ready for that at all and my body language probably said I'm not so interested, so it ended there.
Girl #2, I kept silent until the very last phase of drying up the feet. Then I started talking. She said she loves me and wants me to add one more hour, so she could "do" me right there! I told her I'm on to her trick. She only wants to get one extra hour and willing to do anything for it. Then she surprised me. She said she would come to my room after her shift. I was expecting another lady friend in the evening, so I had to tell her I'm busy. Then the real shock came when she suggested she would go to buy one free hour for herself and would would come to my room immediately so I can do her! I was really shocked by that. Not only she wanted to do me, she was also willing to pay for it! Sorry for not saying how it ended, as this is not the point of the story.
Another place to check is the foot massage oppsite the ICBC bank, close to DaHe building. I forgot the name of that place, but the ladies there are slight older and some of them are lonely.
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Further to my previous post. Who ARE these gals? Those that a lot of guys would consider to be NOT in the trade? Those who some guys may come back and tell me off on. That these are decent gals. How dare I accuse them of also being in "on the game. " (Especially if they're already in a relationship with such a gal. LOL!)
SEAJYou've left me speachless!
You were able to put in words what I have been feeling for so long time.
I decided for myself long time ago that I would NEVER do "fuck and forget" with the non-professional girls. However, I did pick-up a few girls for short relationships of 5 dates or so, taking them for dinners, clubs, sometimes buying small gifts, etc.
I found out that if applying this aproach, it's usually cheaper to use professional WG than to catch the "free" ones. Another option is to catch one girl for long-term, which I also did.
OldAsiaHand
01-01-10, 03:33
I agree with OAH as soon as you say married the husband seekers most of the time run. I have found if you stay friends for a year then they relax a bit but the biggest problem is some place to go to. Chinese girls are very shy in public but not so in private. I have booked hotels when they say but spur of the moment is difficult. You also have the working hours problem as they are always working. Taking them on business trips are a good way. Money wise your better to spend the night in a top sauna with 3 top girls you will save money. I had one long time Chinese freebie in Australia she was no problem but the next boyfriend started to give me and my friends trouble even though I was 13000 km away. Must have trained her to sit on his face too well. I just ignored him and he went away. Funny thing never heard from her husband.
Jamie5063,
Nearly every 3-4 star hotel in China has a ST rate for a few hours. Usually runs between 80-100RMB. Lately, I've been using the chain hotels e.g. 7 Days Inn, Motel 168 and the like. If you have a member card, the overnight rate is only 100+ RMB for a nice clean room. You do get some strange looks sometimes when you check out a few hours after you check in though. To deal with the shyness, I will normally check in first alone and the freebie can follow as if she is just visiting a friend or something.
Many companies in China still have a 2 hour lunch break so just check into a hotel nearby their workplace and call room service for lunch.
Since a ST hotel is a bit too obvious, I often use the business trip angle to close the deal the first time. It is usually some place I can drive to. The girl may think it is an innocent journey at first but when she realizes that you do not intend to return that night and she finds herself in the hotel room with you, you can usually convert.
Just my POV.
OAH
Gents,
I will be visiting from Shanghai for a day and would love to join a KTV group in the evening. If BSD or some of the other dignitaries are in town please send a private message.
Ramsey
Bnlee2,
When asked, I also tell girls that I am married with a family. But, I reckon it reduces my chances of success dramatically. Sure, you have the "husband stealing" type, but the majority walk away unless you are very, very rich in which case they just go along for the ride and what they can get out of it. In that case, is it really a freebie?
Just my POV.
OAHOah
You know me, I am not the super rich. I'm justa working stiff sr. Exec type. I really do not spend a whole lot of money on them. They spend more on me than I give to them. The real issue is that they are bore and wants some attention. I tell them what they love hearing "how good they look and the rest of the BS" and they just eat it up. I just love it when they book a room in a high end hotel and we call in room service and bang away for a few hours. Really. No cash just a lot of flattery to the woman. Easy cheap trick.
You are the man. Until one of those guys catches up with you and cuts your prick off.Bob
I usually do some background check on who their hubby is. I make sure that they are not any senior politburo member or party offical or senior PLA officer. I also make sure I have a picture of them so that I will know who is chasing me. I usually keep it very discreet and am careful. I also don't make it a long term relationship.
A few even told me that if I knock them up, they will just pretend that their hubby did it. Several were interested in my genes. I'm an ABC, 6'2" and built like a line backer, so they were hoping that their offsprings could be tall. I have sent a few home with some loaded genes. Usually when a gal begins to be a bit sticky, it is time for me to move on.
Shabah F117
01-01-10, 05:44
Gents,
I will be visiting from Shanghai for a day and would love to join a KTV group in the evening. If BSD or some of the other dignitaries are in town please send a private message.
RamseyAre you going to pay BSD..
Telling you are married is a NO because your chances will drop considerably. Yes, this is true. What about telling her you have a girl friend but it's not serious ? This tells your options are opened. I wonder what is the repsonse if you ask them out after telling about your girlfriend.
Seriously, you don't want to use them like I few guys I know. One of them think he's god's gift to woman with his money and looks. He likes to brag about his freebies.
So, If I was rich and powerful in China, and if I found you sleeping with my wife or you got my daughter pregnant, you will be heading from me. Sadly, I'm poor and and with no power.
I still think getting freebies on the average involves too much time, money and sometimes dishonest deception.Weelock,
I disagree. Telling them that you are married will not dramtically reduce your chances. I have found some gals really do not mind being an er tai or mistress to an overseas businessman like myself. I really do not throw money around either. I am honest to them and if they like me then they will stay. As of for the husband stealer, you can spot them a mile away. If they are hot, maybe I will stay with them for a night of adventure if I have the time. They have to be super hot before I even venture for a night with them.
I am extremely careful about the freebies that are trophy wives that I take on. I usually do a little background check to make sure that I have a pic and bio of their hubby and also make sure the she is not a bit psycho. Sure do not want a "Fatal Attraction" on my hand.
SE Asia Joe
01-01-10, 09:21
Telling that you are married is a NO because your chances will drop considerably. .
Guys guys guys... and I mean all (most??) of you and not just you Weelock
My basic tenet had been the "fairness' of the equation when doing freebies, suppossed freebies, real freebies, dumb freebies, smart freebies. The Fairness!
You do whatever you think right - but just remember Karma, remember "what goes around comes around" and that it ain't nice to fool Mother Nature!
Just a friendly reminder from your neighbourhood SEAJ
And a Happy new Year/Decade to y'all
I was in CP for 3 nights/4 days from Dec 28-31 and want to share my experiences in the area. I want to thank Big Swingin Dave, and the other Bro's I met (dont want to reveal their real names but I dont know their handles) who were very helpful and fun to hang around. BSD was very knowledgeable in the area, and great in organizing KTVs and keeping costs down. I will for sure contact him if I get the chance to come back.
BBS: The typical areas listed in the reports were there in full swing. There are about 5-6 in the YaLan hotel area with some gems. overall BBS can be hit and miss, and the mommies are typically very high pressure to make you choose. I dont reccommend going to the HuiMei and Nightmarket BBS on your own or if its too late as the mommies try to keep you inside the steel doors and are a bit too forceful. I was trapped inside one of the Huimei BBS for 5 min trying to leave, the damn pappa wouldn't let go of my arm and I was seriously thinking about hitting him but dont want to cause trouble by myself in an a country that's not mine. Cost in these places is usually 200ST, 500LT, but i've been offered as low as 150 in some. Nighmarket is on the lower end price wise.
Sauna: Visited HuiHua and Huimei BBS. Typical 'mechanical' services offered, and standard pricing for room fee (238) and tip (300) to girl. Girls I seen at this places were more of the SYT girl next door variety, not much in the way of hot slutty model types. Def worth a try if you haven't done this in CP. Other ones I didn't check out this time but worth mention are Virgin, and possibly Miraton.
KTV: went to Manhattan and Swan lake. I had a good time at both establishments but the selection of girls were def a bit lacking at both. Maybe it was because it was on a weekday or it was approaching new years. Dunno. Each had less than 50 girls to choose from. BSD got us some free beers and helped keep costs down by controlling the room and such. Although I dont really sing chinese songs, I could communicate enough to chat wit the girls and play games with them. It was a fun time and led to a great finish back at my hotel.
Overall I had a great 4 days in CP. At the end of it I was getting a bit bored and it was good time to leave. Although my chinese is good enough to get around and figure all this stuff on my own, BSD and the other brothers were really great to hang out with and helped make discovering all these places that much easier. I would be careful in certain places like the nightmarket, and BBS at night in the hui mei area. Overall if you keep an open mind, speak some acceptable level of chinese, and hook up with the right buddies anyone can have a great time there.
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Oah
3 to 4 for the freebie per year is a vary good wild chase, still lot of work.
Keeps things fresh.
IMHO
S7
AsnDragon,
First of all, I cannot hold a candle to Eaglestar. He is the King of the Freebies.
I had some limited success when I was living in SZ and when I was there nearly every week afterwards. You must remember one thing. I am living in China so I have the luxury of time on my side. Since you don't, I suggest that you follow the strategy of other successful members and start on the internet. By far, they have the highest hit rate by getting to know the girl online first. I know one member of this forum that lines up 10-12 girls to meet when he arrives in SZ but he spends a huge amount of time online to do it.
I flirt (in a joking kind of way) with almost every girl I encounter and look for signs. It can be in conjunction with work, in restaurants, shops, malls, hotels; even just walking down the street. I very rarely go to pick-up bars. I don't think any district is better than others, but I've had most of my luck in Futian. Believe me, I have wasted a lot of time and money on the chase and ended up with blue balls much more often than not. Most of my success are 25-35 yo (youngest 19, oldest 50 mistake), single or divorced with ordinary jobs with the exeption of a few legit massage girls and a couple of BBS mamas. I do not go for married women for fear and/or guilt although there are a lot of these available. I can count on less than one hand, the number of one night stands where I met a girl and bedded her the first time. And, I cannot say completely freebie since I always pay their way e.g. dinners, drinks, hotels, small gifts, etc.
Now, it may sound like I am banging freebies everyday, but truth be told, I only score 3-4 per year on average, compared to nearly 100 P4P. The only reason I go for it is ego and the GFE feeling of doing a girl that wants to do you compared to one you pay.
Just my POV.
OAH
Telling that you are married is a NO because your chances will drop considerably. Yes, this is true. What about telling her you have a girl friend but it's not serious ? This tells her your options are opened. I wonder what is the repsonse if you ask them out after telling about your girlfriend.
Seriously, you don't want to use them like I few guys I know. One of them think he's god's gift to woman with his money and looks. He likes to brag about his freebies.
So, If I was rich and powerful in China, and if I found you sleeping with my wife or you got my daughter pregnant, you will be hearding from me. Sadly, I'm poor and and with no power.
I still think getting freebies on the average involves too much time, money and sometimes dishonest deception.
Weelock, I realize you were generalizing in the above post, but I would like to add that there is a lot of free poontang available in China, even if she knows you are married!!!!
Yeah you are right that ones chances are diminished if the girl knows but on the other hand there is still a lot available.
Cheers to all in the Year of The Tiger.
ES
Weelock, I realize you were generalizing in the above post, but I would like to add that there is a lot of free poontang available in China, even if she knows you are married!!!!
Yeah you are right that ones chances are diminished if the girl knows but on the other hand there is still a lot available.
Cheers to all in the Year of The Tiger.
ES
Yes, I was generalizing but a few other ISG members mentioned about being married too.
To be more specific, I know of two overseas Chinese guys that brags about their freebies. These two guys are just over 30 but they look like 21-23. They are getting girls that are young and cream of the crop. They used the girls in China and lead them on, and lie to the girls constantly. There are assholes in my book.
I also remember reading a post to a newspaper article on ISG, about two Western foreigners. I think there were teachers or students but I don't remember exactly. They promised girls to get marry and get them out of China. After sleeping and getting tired of them, they were dumped. Well, word got around and many girls went to the police. The two guys were arrested and kicked out of China.
It also goes the other way around. There are stories of girls having more than one boyfriend. The occasional boyfriend overseas that comes to China once every few months. In my book the prettier the girl, the more you have to worry about other guys.
There are numbers of stories of guys being used to get out of China/Thailand/Russia and Philippines. After getting out, many girl's attitude chances completely. Girls will start making exaggerated excuses for reasons why they don't like you anymore. It was their original plan in the first place to marry you and later divorce you. Most often they want money from you and you have to pay and support her.
Again, in my humble opinion and I might be wrong. IMHO and IMBW.
Weelock, I realize you were generalizing in the above post, but I would like to add that there is a lot of free poontang available in China, even if she knows you are married!
Yeah you are right that ones chances are diminished if the girl knows but on the other hand there is still a lot available.
Cheers to all in the Year of The Tiger.
ESAll I was saying is that be fair and honest to these gals. If you are honest and not lie to them you will get free p*ssy. Weeklock, just try it. There are many married and lonely gals, all they want is attention from the guy. Just tell her what that will make her smile. Tell her that she is attractive and things like that. All they want is attention. This is same for most women worldwide.
Believe me, I am not a tall handsome dude, just average. I do not throw $$ around to attract them. Several senior ISG member have met me and can attest to that. I'm just an older avg Joe (no where near as handsome nor as debonaire as our beloved SEAJ). On top of everything, I'm an ABC that speak very bad Putunghua and Cantonese. I have a quite a few great looking freebies (married and single) hitting on me. Really. You do not need to be rich, handsome or debonaire. Sometimes a bit of attention will go a long way.
SE Asia Joe
01-01-10, 19:44
Yes, I was generalizing but a few other ISG members mentioned about being married too.
To be more specific, I know of two overseas Chinese guys that brags about their freebies. These two guys are just over 30 but they look like 21-23. They are getting girls that are young and cream of the crop. They used the girls in China and lead them on, and lie to the girls constantly. There are assholes in my book.
I also remember reading a post to a newspaper article on ISG, about two Western foreigners. I think there were teachers or students but I don't remember exactly. They promised girls to get marry and get them out of China. After sleeping and getting tired of them, they were dumped. Well, word got around and many girls went to the police. The two guys were arrested and kicked out of China.
It also goes the other way around. There are stories of girls having more than one boyfriend. The occasional boyfriend overseas that comes to China once every few months. In my book the prettier the girl, the more you have to worry about other guys.
There are numbers of stories of guys being used to get out of China/Thailand/Russia and Philippines. After getting out, many girl's attitude chances completely. Girls will start making exaggerated excuses for reasons why they don't like you anymore. It was their original plan in the first place to marry you and later divorce you. Most often they want money from you and you have to pay and support her.
Again, in my humble opinion and I might be wrong. IMHO and IMBW.
All this....AND more....all tied to the concept of "Freebies!"
Ain't it just that much simpler to just go ahead and pay 'em - one way or the other - if sex is all that you had in mind??!!
SEAJ
Each to their own is what I say.
There are a lot of nice girls in China, and a lot of these nice girls will not sleep with the first foreigner that comes along just because of his charming personality. This kind of "freebie" takes a loooooooong time to get into bed, and sometimes you'd have to marry them to do so, the groundwork you have to do is, in my opinion, not worth it. Also, there are the girls who are nice but incredibly naive who WILL falls for a guy's lies and sleeps with him, these can be quite easy to bed.
Then you have the other freebies. The ones you can just see the greed and materialism from a mile away. The ones who want you to buy them something every time you guangjie, or the ones who say you must give her parents/family Xamount of RMB when you visit them (rather than it being your decision as to how much you give them), or the ones who shag you in the hope that you will take them back to your own country with you. These girls are quite easy to bed, even doing so cheaply without having to buy them a shitload of stuff. I guess with these ones you are both using each other, youre using her for sex and maybe a bit of company, and she is using you hoping to get RMB, stuff or a visa to whatever country. In the end, the guy wins because he will just move on to the next girl (if he doesnt get duped by her). I wouldnt have a problem with anyone or myself lying thru my teeth in trying to shag this kind of girl.
But even with the first one, if a guy lied to the first kind of girl, I wouldnt judge him for it, what do I care? I am not her father, brother or uncle. I know, I know, it is not a nice thing to do to a nice girl, and it would affect the girl a lot when the guy disappears/breaks up with her, but its not up to me to judge him or scold him for it and I wouldnt think any less of him because of it. And at the end of the day as gullible and as innocent as some of these nice girls are they are still adults with free will and it is their choice to sleep with whoever they wish. If they made a terrible decision and fell for all the lies then maybe they will be all the wiser next time. Call me cold or an uncaring bastard but hey, thats life, they wouldnt be the first people to be duped by someone else.
Yes, I was generalizing but a few other ISG members mentioned about being married too.
To be more specific, I know of two overseas Chinese guys that brags about their freebies. These two guys are just over 30 but they look like 21-23. They are getting girls that are young and cream of the crop. They used the girls in China and lead them on, and lie to the girls constantly. There are assholes in my book.
I also remember reading a post to a newspaper article on ISG, about two Western foreigners. I think there were teachers or students but I don't remember exactly. They promised girls to get marry and get them out of China. After sleeping and getting tired of them, they were dumped. Well, word got around and many girls went to the police. The two guys were arrested and kicked out of China.
It also goes the other way around. There are stories of girls having more than one boyfriend. The occasional boyfriend overseas that comes to China once every few months. In my book the prettier the girl, the more you have to worry about other guys.
There are numbers of stories of guys being used to get out of China/Thailand/Russia and Philippines. After getting out, many girl's attitude chances completely. Girls will start making exaggerated excuses for reasons why they don't like you anymore. It was their original plan in the first place to marry you and later divorce you. Most often they want money from you and you have to pay and support her.
Again, in my humble opinion and I might be wrong. IMHO and IMBW.Weelock
I totally agreed that lying to them is not the way to go. Even WG have feelings too. As for the young ABC's, they are on top of the food chain in terms of WG's want. They really should not take advantages of these young hearts. Leading them on and lying to them is just a "no. No" in any book. Lying to them to get poontang is rediculous.
A while back I ask one of my trophy housewives freebies, "why me" and she told me that I'm truthful to her and I "treat her like a person". She tells me that a year after the marriage, her hubby was coming home less and less and claiming business. She could smell the perfume on his clothes and find a few tell tales signs. Many females appreciate someone that they can relate to without worrying about being "conned"
As for me, I'm pretty far away from being even in my late twenties. I'm an average ABC joe in his late fifties. Thats pretty much it. I guess I'm just saying is to tell them the truth and they will appreciate it. If you lose a few then let them go. From my own experience, saying a few nice words of compliments will carry you a long way and much less expensive than buying them useless trinkets.
Just my two rmb on this.
I'm an average ABC joe in his late fifties. Thats pretty much it.
Gee, Bnlee2; You certainly got me fool. You don't look a day over 38. Who could have thought? Must be those white tigers . . . You stud, you!
Mmlouie
I was in CP for 3 nights/4 days from Dec 28-31 and want to share my experiences in the area.
Dude, that's awesome, you went from Mon to Thurs. Even though the traffic and people around you are much less than a weekend, you'll get better and less rushed service. Many long time CP frequenters would much rather go to CP on a weekday than a weekend. Of course, for many people, the weekends are the only possible times to "escape," thus the large amount of punters.
Good thing you hooked up with BSD. Even with nothing to do, he'll have "something" to do. And even if the girls suck, he'll make the evening memorable with his games to loosen the atmosphere.
I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people there at this time. Isn't there a Christmas break for guys to fly over to CP for a week or so?
Gee, Bnlee2; You certainly got me fool. You don't look a day over 38. Who could have thought? Must be those white tigers . . . You stud, you!
MmlouieMMlouie
Too bad you made this comment after Christmas. I would have put you on top of my list. I guess you are right about those white tigers, they rejuevenate me after each session. Even Tiger (W) even likes them "white".
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:29
I'm surprised there aren't a lot of people there at this time. Isn't there a Christmas break for guys to fly over to CP for a week or so?
Soo..... What's YOUR excuse for not being here?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:30
Gee, Bnlee2; You certainly got me fool. You don't look a day over 38. Who could have thought? Must be those white tigers . . . You stud, you!
Mmlouie
Hey Mr. Pointed Humour - where the hell ya been?
Keepng the home range burning brightly?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:34
All I was saying is that be fair and honest to these gals. If you are honest and not lie to them you will get free p*ssy. Weeklock, just try it. There are many married and lonely gals, all they want is attention from the guy. Just tell her what that will make her smile. Tell her that she is attractive and things like that. All they want is attention. This is same for most women worldwide.
Believe me, I am not a tall handsome dude, just average. I do not throw $$ around to attract them. Several senior ISG member have met me and can attest to that. I'm just an older avg Joe (no where near as handsome nor as debonaire as our beloved SEAJ). On top of everything, I'm an ABC that speak very bad Putunghua and Cantonese. I have a quite a few great looking freebies (married and single) hitting on me. Really. You do not need to be rich, handsome or debonaire. Sometimes a bit of attention will go a long way.
Yeah - a bit of attention and a willing tongue to dine at the Y!!
We all KNOW your Modus Operandi!!
The grand gestures, the sensitive, meticulous and thorough preparation of your dining spot... getting them to pant in anticipation, getting them to ache for you, getting'em moist to the point of hysteria....
Blah blah blah .... Attention my Aunt Fanny!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:37
A while back I ask one of my trophy housewives freebies, "why me" and she......
.
Hmmmmm.... do I detect a certain amount of self-doubt here??
BnLee?? No way Jose!! NOT BnLee!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:40
Yes, I was generalizing but a few other ISG members mentioned about being married too.
To be more specific, I know of two overseas Chinese guys that brags about their freebies. These two guys are just over 30 but they look like 21-23. They are getting girls that are young and cream of the crop. They used the girls in China and lead them on, and lie to the girls constantly. There are assholes in my book.
I also remember reading a post to a newspaper article on ISG, about two Western foreigners. I think there were teachers or students but I don't remember exactly. They promised girls to get marry and get them out of China. After sleeping and getting tired of them, they were dumped. Well, word got around and many girls went to the police. The two guys were arrested and kicked out of China.
It also goes the other way around. There are stories of girls having more than one boyfriend. The occasional boyfriend overseas that comes to China once every few months. In my book the prettier the girl, the more you have to worry about other guys.
There are numbers of stories of guys being used to get out of China/Thailand/Russia and Philippines. After getting out, many girl's attitude chances completely. Girls will start making exaggerated excuses for reasons why they don't like you anymore. It was their original plan in the first place to marry you and later divorce you. Most often they want money from you and you have to pay and support her.
Again, in my humble opinion and I might be wrong. IMHO and IMBW.
Oh Weelock - enough of all this. Just get back here and DO IT!!
Like I said before, get rid of your flash Beemer in the States, use the $$ to to screw yourself silly back here - and forget about all the worryin' you seem to always been doin'!! You'll lose some more hair!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-02-10, 06:45
Jamie5063,
Nearly every 3-4 star hotel in China has a ST rate for a few hours. Usually runs between 80-100RMB. Lately, I've been using the chain hotels e.g. 7 Days Inn, Motel 168 and the like. If you have a member card, the overnight rate is only 100+ RMB for a nice clean room. You do get some strange looks sometimes when you check out a few hours after you check in though. To deal with the shyness, I will normally check in first alone and the freebie can follow as if she is just visiting a friend or something.
Many companies in China still have a 2 hour lunch break so just check into a hotel nearby their workplace and call room service for lunch.
Since a ST hotel is a bit too obvious, I often use the business trip angle to close the deal the first time. It is usually some place I can drive to. The girl may think it is an innocent journey at first but when she realizes that you do not intend to return that night and she finds herself in the hotel room with you, you can usually convert.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH - you make it all sound as if it's all "to Plan" for you.
Whilst we ALL know that you are just an old Softee Romantic at heart!!
You LOVE all the bells and jingles of the chase, you savour the music that accompanies their ecstacy - and you get yourself all messed up with so many at hand all the time!
NOw...... have I failed to poke fun at anybody here?? Only Pig Fat ..... and I ain't gonna mess around with YOU P.F!!! You RUN faster than I!!
Muahahaha!!!
And a Happy New Year to y'all - hope you like my New Year Greetings!!
Any better than the usual banal "Happy New year???!!!
Huh?? any Better???!!
SEAJ
FernandoAlonso
01-02-10, 11:04
Each to their own is what I say.
There are a lot of nice girls in China, and a lot of these nice girls will not sleep with the first foreigner that comes along just because of his charming personality. This kind of "freebie" takes a loooooooong time to get into bed, and sometimes you'd have to marry them to do so, the groundwork you have to do is, in my opinion, not worth it. Also, there are the girls who are nice but incredibly naive who WILL falls for a guy's lies and sleeps with him, these can be quite easy to bed.
Then you have the other freebies. The ones you can just see the greed and materialism from a mile away. The ones who want you to buy them something every time you guangjie, or the ones who say you must give her parents/family Xamount of RMB when you visit them (rather than it being your decision as to how much you give them), or the ones who shag you in the hope that you will take them back to your own country with you. These girls are quite easy to bed, even doing so cheaply without having to buy them a shitload of stuff. I guess with these ones you are both using each other, youre using her for sex and maybe a bit of company, and she is using you hoping to get RMB, stuff or a visa to whatever country. In the end, the guy wins because he will just move on to the next girl (if he doesnt get duped by her). I wouldnt have a problem with anyone or myself lying thru my teeth in trying to shag this kind of girl.
But even with the first one, if a guy lied to the first kind of girl, I wouldnt judge him for it, what do I care? I am not her father, brother or uncle. I know, I know, it is not a nice thing to do to a nice girl, and it would affect the girl a lot when the guy disappears/breaks up with her, but its not up to me to judge him or scold him for it and I wouldnt think any less of him because of it. And at the end of the day as gullible and as innocent as some of these nice girls are they are still adults with free will and it is their choice to sleep with whoever they wish. If they made a terrible decision and fell for all the lies then maybe they will be all the wiser next time. Call me cold or an uncaring bastard but hey, thats life, they wouldnt be the first people to be duped by someone else.There is not one answer to this, we all ly in one way or another, they also do, all of them. This is China, our concept of true and false applies not here. We are in this for the fun, they most of the time are not. We normally have the money and the brains so we should take some responsibility and not behave like asses. But in the end I guess everyone needs to determine for himself what is right and wrong. And whether he can still look in the mirror each morning.
Normally good behaviour pays back, lies also do (or better hit back). But on both sides there are the ones taking advantage of naiveities. I can claim for myself I made all the mistakes one can do here in a short time. And for sure have been lied to many more times than I do myself. But I use some lies to protect myself, but never just to bed cheaply an innocent.
So I guess there is no right or wrong here, but everyone should be totally aware that freebies if they are real are not p4p so we should not forget our responsibility towards weaker members of teh food chain.
To p4p girls I would tell whatever is appropriate but still treat them with respect as a human being!
just my opinion
FA
OAH - you make it all sound as if it's all "to Plan" for you.
Whilst we ALL know that you are just an old Softee Romantic at heart!!
You LOVE all the bells and jingles of the chase, you savour the music that accompanies their ecstacy - and you get yourself all messed up with so many at hand all the time!
NOw...... have I failed to poke fun at anybody here?? Only Pig Fat ..... and I ain't gonna mess around with YOU P.F!!! You RUN faster than I!!
Muahahaha!!!
And a Happy New Year to y'all - hope you like my New Year Greetings!!
Any better than the usual banal "Happy New year???!!!
Huh?? any Better???!!
SEAJ
HA! I am afraid that I am anything but fast! When I go for runs I am starting to feel my knees creaking a bit, and I cant believe how slow I am when I do sprints. Getting old sucks!
Mate, as of the 14th of January I will be moving to Nancheng, which is relatively close to CP. I would more than likely not make it to CP during most weeknights but I will definitely be there for most weekends, so itll be good to party together with the people I have already met and people I have yet to meet.
Now, having said that I know there is, apparently, a "bar street" somewhere in Dongcheng (which is closer to NC than CP) where one can score WGs but is there anything in NC itself? I am not talking about KTVs in NC (thats what CP is for) but BBS or SWs or saunas in NC (or DC) for those lonely weeknights. Does anyone have any detailed info on this bar street in DC? Rates? Usual quality? etc
MMlouie
Too bad you made this comment after Christmas. I would have put you on top of my list. I guess you are right about those white tigers, they rejuevenate me after each session. Even Tiger (W) even likes them "white".
It is never too late, especially for white tiger(s). Oh, another "Tiger" joke. lol! Only in America, even though they are not naturally born . . .
Mmlouie
Hey Mr. Pointed Humour - where the hell ya been?
Keepng the home range burning brightly?
SEAJ
I am like the wind . . . here, there, everywhere!
Mmlouie
Big Swingin Dave
01-02-10, 19:21
Thanks to a good buddy of Monger X, I went to the newly opened (about 2 months or so) Hawaii Sauna (across the street from Century Flower Club in the Sha Tou district of Chang An) earlier this week. The place is brand new, it used to be a shopping mall so this place is huge. We (another non-ISG brother and I) were guided to a sitting room where there were approximately 75 girls sitted around the room. The girls were priced in three categories, 450, 550, and 650. If you call ahead and make a reservation, the room charge (168RMB) is waived. PM me if you need the name and phone number of the reservation manager. I chose a 450 girl from Guangxi. The room was big and nice. Mirrors are positioned at perfect angles around the room. There is a soapie mattress where you lie down for a thorough cleaning. The room even have a little stage with a dancing pole for the girl to give you a strip tease performance. Service was excellent, very attentive and never felt rushed, 100%GFE. It even includes a free lunch/dinner before or after the fun. A great bargain for the price.
I had a bit of time to travel around Chang An on this trip and it appears that a number of new hotels/saunas/ktvs have sprung up around town. This is a great alternative to Chang Ping as it is a different play in this fun little town. More to follow...
BSD
The Forla Hotel has recently renovated the K area. Beautifully appointed and the lineup of MMs are spectacular. My friend and I took two cousins out for dinner directly from the girls makeup room and had dinner and drinks. Both were part timers who work in the fashion district as sales persons. Wonderful service and great companions. Try it before the quality suffers and time passes; like all other K bars.
Happy Hunting
Gee, Bnlee2; You certainly got me fool. You don't look a day over 38. Who could have thought? Must be those white tigers . . . You stud, you!
MmlouieThanks for the compliment. At least you did not tell them that im "butt ugly" and a decrepit "hunch back" old guy with too many "wart" popping out all over me.
Hi bsd, read many times about chang an. Please give some idea about how far it is from CP. Also if one has to come from guangzhou, should reach CP first or is it better going to chang an directly. Regards.
Thanks to a good buddy of Monger X, I went to the newly opened (about 2 months or so) Hawaii Sauna (across the street from Century Flower Club in the Sha Tou district of Chang An) earlier this week. The place is brand new, it used to be a shopping mall so this place is huge. We (another non-ISG brother and I) were guided to a sitting room where there were approximately 75 girls sitted around the room. The girls were priced in three categories, 450, 550, and 650. If you call ahead and make a reservation, the room charge (168RMB) is waived. PM me if you need the name and phone number of the reservation manager. I chose a 450 girl from Guangxi. The room was big and nice. Mirrors are positioned at perfect angles around the room. There is a soapie mattress where you lie down for a thorough cleaning. The room even have a little stage with a dancing pole for the girl to give you a strip tease performance. Service was excellent, very attentive and never felt rushed, 100%GFE. It even includes a free lunch/dinner before or after the fun. A great bargain for the price.
I had a bit of time to travel around Chang An on this trip and it appears that a number of new hotels/saunas/ktvs have sprung up around town. This is a great alternative to Chang Ping as it is a different play in this fun little town. More to follow.
BSD
I was in CP for 3 nights/4 days from Dec 28-31 and want to share my experiences in the area. I want to thank Big Swingin Dave, and the other Bro's I met (dont want to reveal their real names but I dont know their handles) who were very helpful and fun to hang around. BSD was very knowledgeable in the area, and great in organizing KTVs and keeping costs down. I will for sure contact him if I get the chance to come back.
BBS: The typical areas listed in the reports were there in full swing. There are about 5-6 in the YaLan hotel area with some gems. overall BBS can be hit and miss, and the mommies are typically very high pressure to make you choose. I dont reccommend going to the HuiMei and Nightmarket BBS on your own or if its too late as the mommies try to keep you inside the steel doors and are a bit too forceful. I was trapped inside one of the Huimei BBS for 5 min trying to leave, the damn pappa wouldn't let go of my arm and I was seriously thinking about hitting him but dont want to cause trouble by myself in an a country that's not mine. Cost in these places is usually 200ST, 500LT, but i've been offered as low as 150 in some. Nighmarket is on the lower end price wise.
Sauna: Visited HuiHua and Huimei BBS. Typical 'mechanical' services offered, and standard pricing for room fee (238) and tip (300) to girl. Girls I seen at this places were more of the SYT girl next door variety, not much in the way of hot slutty model types. Def worth a try if you haven't done this in CP. Other ones I didn't check out this time but worth mention are Virgin, and possibly Miraton.
KTV: went to Manhattan and Swan lake. I had a good time at both establishments but the selection of girls were def a bit lacking at both. Maybe it was because it was on a weekday or it was approaching new years. Dunno. Each had less than 50 girls to choose from. BSD got us some free beers and helped keep costs down by controlling the room and such. Although I dont really sing chinese songs, I could communicate enough to chat wit the girls and play games with them. It was a fun time and led to a great finish back at my hotel.
Overall I had a great 4 days in CP. At the end of it I was getting a bit bored and it was good time to leave. Although my chinese is good enough to get around and figure all this stuff on my own, BSD and the other brothers were really great to hang out with and helped make discovering all these places that much easier. I would be careful in certain places like the nightmarket, and BBS at night in the hui mei area. Overall if you keep an open mind, speak some acceptable level of chinese, and hook up with the right buddies anyone can have a great time there.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Guys,
The standard rate for LT (overnight) at the BBS behind HuiMei hotel is 400 RMB and not 500 as written. I got this rate without any special trouble for all my visitors during the past 2 years.
Please make sure you push for this price (or lower), so as not to kill the market for everybody else (and enough was written about this in the past).
Please note that indeed before the Chinese New Year many of the girls go back home and will not return until Feb-26 or so. In additiona to that, about 2 weeks ago there was a visit of Beijing officials to Dongguan, who forced all KTVs which are 4 star and below, to be working without girls (actually, close down). Some girls took the opportunity to return home already, before the transportation prices go sky high.
Have fun and enjoy,
UNLE70
Hi bsd, read many times about chang an. Please give some idea about how far it is from CP. Also if one has to come from guangzhou, should reach CP first or is it better going to chang an directly. Regards.
BSD will be able to give you better info but it is about 45mins from CP to CA, depending on traffic. There is a bus depot in CA (maybe 2? not sure) so I would assume you should be able to catch a bus from GZ to CA.
Hi bsd, read many times about chang an. Please give some idea about how far it is from CP. Also if one has to come from guangzhou, should reach CP first or is it better going to chang an directly. Regards.
I have posted a few maps. Do a search on ISG or on the web.
ManonsanBoy
01-04-10, 10:35
Many saunas in Tangxia have been shuttered. Wonder why it has not spreaded to other places. There was a raid at Xiu Jing on 27 Dec and 11 clients were arrested.
Although I have never been to China and been out of mongering for years, I do enjoy reading this thread. I have learned a lot and the opinions are fascinating.
Hope everyone had a good holiday season and here's hoping the worst of 2010 is no worse than the best of 2009.
Slim
OldAsiaHand
01-04-10, 11:04
Hi bsd, read many times about chang an. Please give some idea about how far it is from CP. Also if one has to come from guangzhou, should reach CP first or is it better going to chang an directly. Regards.
PrinceMV2,
If you are coming from GZ, it does not make sense to go to CP first. CA may be a little closer than CP by road but CP is faster/convenient because of the train. BTW, CA is slightly closer to SZ than GZ.
Just my POV.
OAH
Planning on being in DG in late January and thinking of going to ChangAn for a few days instead of CP. Can anyone recommend a decent hotel and know the rate? Prefer one with a KTV inside, most will have sauna.
Is there anything else to do in ChangAn? i know in CP there is a little shopping and fairly easy to get around, any thoughts on CA? is there a mall etc, anywhere to walk about (at least you can walk the main drag in CP from lion to miraton).
Also if anyone interested in a little party there around the 3rd week of Jan. let me know by PM. Might be fun to have a group on a new exploration mission since the reports are scarce in that area. thanks for the 1's there are though.
Seems the ktv lineup is
JiAn: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
(seems the most popular with good quality)
DFML (Dong Fang Mei Li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Wu Sha Hotel KTV
Xing Zhi Xing KTV (Star of Star Hotel) (Near the border of Humen and Chang An): girls put underwear in plastic bag
Dong Cheng KTV
JinSha KTV (JSMZ)
ShaTou Hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Also SuperHotelSpa was previously recommended as was Hawaii sauna by BSD.
Any thoughts on a ChangAn three day exploration?
freepeeks,
i've compared cp with other dongguan towns such as: houjie, humen, tangxia, zhangmutou, huangjiang dongkeng, hengli, fenggang, dalang, chang an to name a few. i must say that cp is still superior to all the other towns.
tangxia- is boring except for ktv and saunas which aren't a lot and most saunas have been reported to be down as of now.
zhangmoutou- was hot back 15 years ago, but after the huge raid on wg about 10 years ago, and the whole strip club being reported the beijing, most of the wg just go to cp to work.
houjie- is expensive and very out of the way. sure they have sheraton and cinese hotel etc...but girls there have higher expectations and the good old mao gets you less at this town.
humen- unless you like shopping or taking your girl to do some cheap shopping, it's not acessible like houjie, except you got the boats.
huangjiang- only has the prince hotel, and the walmart (if and when it gets built)
dongkeng- full of druggies and two of the places to party are still full of druggies
fengguang- the only good thing about the place is it has a walmart and a few hotels on the main strip. it has that 6 start hotel i hear, but then again it's one of those things where you stay for a couple of days just to tour the hotel and that's about it.
dalang- they got that royal garden, but then again the girls at royal garden are spoiled and don't give great service as well. they got the spa at the royal, but then again they got silver spring in cp.
changan- is more like a city to me than any of dongguan towns. they have a walmart, and the streets and everything is more organized. sure they have nude ktv's but then again so does cp. saunas and ktv are just as prevalent as cp, but they will not match cp's number of wg by far.
every time i come to cp, i always have this desire to explore other towns in dongguan thinking that there's got to be better places around. each time i am dissapointed at the fact that i cannot find another town like cp, which offers not only ktv and saunas, but bbs and nightmarkets as well. cp offers a wider variety of ways to get a wg. it's the only places where you can go to a cheap ktv like swan lake ktv for the cheap and then go to eurasia for a high end treatment if you wish. cp has organized and segemented their venues so well that there's a wg for every guy's taste, preferences and mood. i'm sure other towns do have their good points, such as the mysterious sauna that's cheap and the girls are less used. but from a broad perspective of things, cp offers the well rounded atmosphere of mongering. cp is accessible by train and allows you to get away for a while to sz or gz when things get a bit too hectic or boring in cp. cp has managed to suck up girls from all over, because everyone knows that cp has the highest traffic of mongers, which is good in a sense because it becomes the final destination that girls come to to work. you can see this when you spot taxi's from all over dongguan coming to cp to earn money because there's a whole lot more activity in cp than other towns. cp may not be the prettiest town or the best planned and organized, but it's still the entertainment capital of the south.
sure you could go to chang an for a few days to see if there's a different pool of girls, if you are tired of seeing the same ones in cp, but in the end, everyone ends up coming back to cp. at least that's what happens to me. besides changan hotel prices are more expensive than cp and things just appear to be a bit more spread out.
once you're in chang an, you'll be itching back to cp soon.
asndragon
planning on being in dg in late january and thinking of going to changan for a few days instead of cp. can anyone recommend a decent hotel and know the rate? prefer one with a ktv inside, most will have sauna.
is there anything else to do in changan? i know in cp there is a little shopping and fairly easy to get around, any thoughts on ca? is there a mall etc, anywhere to walk about (at least you can walk the main drag in cp from lion to miraton).
also if anyone interested in a little party there around the 3rd week of jan. let me know by pm. might be fun to have a group on a new exploration mission since the reports are scarce in that area. thanks for the 1's there are though.
seems the ktv lineup is
jian: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
(seems the most popular with good quality)
dfml (dong fang mei li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
wu sha hotel ktv
xing zhi xing ktv (star of star hotel) (near the border of humen and chang an): girls put underwear in plastic bag
dong cheng ktv
jinsha ktv (jsmz)
shatou hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
also superhotelspa was previously recommended as was hawaii sauna by bsd.
any thoughts on a changan three day exploration?
ManonsanBoy,
What's going on Tangxia, why are there so many raids on Saunas these days. I would think that Sunshine Hotel would not have a problem since the owner is supposedly the son in law of a high level official on the provincial level. But who knows, seems that these days everyone's getting raided over there in Tangxia. They got all those nice apartment complexes and big roads on the new parts..but what's the point if you've got no entertainment venues in the town?
AsnDragon
Many saunas in Tangxia have been shuttered. Wonder why it has not spreaded to other places. There was a raid at Xiu Jing on 27 Dec and 11 clients were arrested.
Robin Mill
01-05-10, 08:11
Hi
I agreed with AsnDragon.
I started out mongering in CA, visitng the KTV joint almost everyday. Having visited CP, I have not looked back.
CP has better gals quality and quatity compared to CA. However, I still feel CA KTV are more fun and wild, as reported in my previous post. CA KTV are extremely spread out, and far away. Usually 25 RMB (15 mins) cab fare from CA Central.
My last visit, I found that there are some 8-10 BBS clustering together at JingXiaSinChun (Jing Xia New Village), along the odd lanes from lane 9 to 13. Look for the bluish pinkish light as the tell tale sign of a BBS. Quality wise and quatity wise, no match for CP. I arrive from CP to CA, thus I literally have to force myself to pick one.
I have 2 coming over, 1 after another, both are a disappointment.
ChangAn- is more like a city to me than any of Dongguan Towns. They have a walmart, and the streets and everything is more organized. Sure they have nude KTV's but then again so does CP. Saunas and KTV are just as prevalent as CP, but they will not match CP's number of WG by far.
Every time I come to CP, I always have this desire to explore other towns in Dongguan thinking that there's got to be better places around. Each time I am dissapointed at the fact that I cannot find another town like CP, which offers not only KTV and Saunas, but BBS and Nightmarkets as well. CP offers a wider variety of ways to get a WG. It's the only places where you can go to a cheap KTV like Swan Lake KTV for the cheap and then go to Eurasia for a High end treatment if you wish. CP has organized and segemented their venues so well that there's a WG for every guy's taste, preferences and mood. I'm sure other towns do have their good points, such as the mysterious Sauna that's cheap and the girls are less used. But from a broad perspective of things, CP offers the well rounded atmosphere of mongering. CP is accessible by train and allows you to get away for a while to SZ or Guangzhou when things get a bit too hectic or boring in CP. CP has managed to suck up girls from all over, because everyone knows that CP has the highest traffic of mongers, which is good in a sense because it becomes the final destination that girls come to to work. You can see this when you spot Taxi's from all over Dongguan coming to CP to earn money because there's a whole lot more activity in CP than other towns. CP may not be the prettiest town or the best planned and organized, but it's still the entertainment capital of the South.
Sure you could go to Chang An for a few days to see if there's a different pool of girls, if you are tired of seeing the same ones in CP, but in the end, everyone ends up coming back to CP. At least that's what happens to me. Besides ChangAn hotel prices are more expensive than CP and things just appear to be a bit more spread out.
Once you're in Chang An, you'll be itching back to CP soon.
AsnDragon
Thanks for the information OAH, regards.
PrinceMV2,
If you are coming from GZ, it does not make sense to go to CP first. CA may be a little closer than CP by road but CP is faster/convenient because of the train. BTW, CA is slightly closer to SZ than GZ.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
01-05-10, 11:06
freepeeks,
i've compared cp with other dongguan towns such as: houjie, humen, tangxia, zhangmutou, huangjiang dongkeng, hengli, fenggang, dalang, chang an to name a few. i must say that cp is still superior to all the other towns.
tangxia- is boring except for ktv and saunas which aren't a lot and most saunas have been reported to be down as of now.
zhangmoutou- was hot back 15 years ago, but after the huge raid on wg about 10 years ago, and the whole strip club being reported the beijing, most of the wg just go to cp to work.
houjie- is expensive and very out of the way. sure they have sheraton and cinese hotel etc...but girls there have higher expectations and the good old mao gets you less at this town.
humen- unless you like shopping or taking your girl to do some cheap shopping, it's not acessible like houjie, except you got the boats.
huangjiang- only has the prince hotel, and the walmart (if and when it gets built)
dongkeng- full of druggies and two of the places to party are still full of druggies
fengguang- the only good thing about the place is it has a walmart and a few hotels on the main strip. it has that 6 start hotel i hear, but then again it's one of those things where you stay for a couple of days just to tour the hotel and that's about it.
dalang- they got that royal garden, but then again the girls at royal garden are spoiled and don't give great service as well. they got the spa at the royal, but then again they got silver spring in cp.
changan- is more like a city to me than any of dongguan towns. they have a walmart, and the streets and everything is more organized. sure they have nude ktv's but then again so does cp. saunas and ktv are just as prevalent as cp, but they will not match cp's number of wg by far.
every time i come to cp, i always have this desire to explore other towns in dongguan thinking that there's got to be better places around. each time i am dissapointed at the fact that i cannot find another town like cp, which offers not only ktv and saunas, but bbs and nightmarkets as well. cp offers a wider variety of ways to get a wg. it's the only places where you can go to a cheap ktv like swan lake ktv for the cheap and then go to eurasia for a high end treatment if you wish. cp has organized and segemented their venues so well that there's a wg for every guy's taste, preferences and mood. i'm sure other towns do have their good points, such as the mysterious sauna that's cheap and the girls are less used. but from a broad perspective of things, cp offers the well rounded atmosphere of mongering. cp is accessible by train and allows you to get away for a while to sz or gz when things get a bit too hectic or boring in cp. cp has managed to suck up girls from all over, because everyone knows that cp has the highest traffic of mongers, which is good in a sense because it becomes the final destination that girls come to to work. you can see this when you spot taxi's from all over dongguan coming to cp to earn money because there's a whole lot more activity in cp than other towns. cp may not be the prettiest town or the best planned and organized, but it's still the entertainment capital of the south.
sure you could go to chang an for a few days to see if there's a different pool of girls, if you are tired of seeing the same ones in cp, but in the end, everyone ends up coming back to cp. at least that's what happens to me. besides changan hotel prices are more expensive than cp and things just appear to be a bit more spread out.
once you're in chang an, you'll be itching back to cp soon.
asndragon
just out of fengguang are 2 one dragon type ktv places where there are standalone buildings with ktvs and hotel combined in one owned by the same boss. at the customs container yard there are ktvs and fs massage places.
not sure if you read chinese newspapers from hong kong but zhangmoutou is a very popular mongering place for hong kongers and china locals alike.
how hard do you actually look? sure cp has the most and the sex trade brings in additional income but other areas in dongguan actually have other industries that support them.
OldAsiaHand
01-05-10, 12:29
Once you're in Chang An, you'll be itching back to CP soon.
AsnDragon,
Every town in DG, even Guangdong, for that matter has every type of action available from hutongs to high-end KTV. It may not be as well organized or up in your face as it is in CP but it is there. It caters more for the local market and overseas residents rather than incoming punters like CP does. I love to hunt in these towns because I am more of a novelty for the girls and often have the opportunity to be their first laowai.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chang Ping
01-06-10, 05:17
There is this SN gal who has been blowing hot and cold over several months and has recently become surprisingly receptive to meeting up and staying with me when I am next in town. However, certain things she says have gotten my alarm bells going. Maybe I am just paranoid, but would like to know what you guys think or suggest. She says she wants to meet me, thinks of me but does not want to go out doing the following:
1 meet my friends
2 shopping
3 KTV. Too loud
She however wants to go to the park? I told her that if I do do KTV, she can stay in the room and wait for me. I do want to meet up with her and if things go well perhaps keep her for more than a day.
A bit of history, my recent modus operandi has been establishing connection with SN gals and then getting them to stay with me outside of their normal SN joint. I have done this with several SN gals and it has been a wonderful experience.
With this one, we met about a half year back. The first session was nothing short of wonderful and we have been corresponding since. On my return visit 2 months later, she did not meet me as planned but sent her sister instead which I of course did not take overnight (I like her much better than her sis obviously). In anycase we talked about it and she gave some silly excuse of being afraid to meet me again etc Anyway we have been corresponding on QQ and vidcam off and on since. And she has visited my website and seen the various photos I have in it.
I have noticed that after her visits to my site and viewing my photos (mostly motorsport related and partying at events) she has become very receptive to meeting me when I next roll in to town. Now I am not saying that this is the cause. I am just noticing that that change in behavior and am drawing some possible conclusions.
What am I paranoid about. That with all the reports of kidnapping and stuff, I might be ambushed in the park, room or whatever and since none of my friends have met her, no one will know the better. BTW I have friends resident in CP and always meet up with them at meal times.
Your thoughts please.
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SE Asia Joe
01-06-10, 05:56
I'm talking about the cost of "left luggage storage" at Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok airport.
$40 for -3 hours, $55 per day, $130 for 2 days , $210 for 3 DAYS, $290 for 4 DAYS - AND IT'S $80 PER DAY PER PIECE thereafter!
Cain't believe it - but that's what it says on the price list!!
And don't even think about leaving over-sized or luggage over 30 KG - AT LEAST double the normal rate it says!!
SEAJ
Will,
How come you turned off your PM function for ISG? I can't seem to send any private messages to you. How have you been my friend? Seems like you've been everywhere and anywhere these days!
Hope all is well
AsnDragon
Hi
I agreed with AsnDragon.
I started out mongering in CA, visitng the KTV joint almost everyday. Having visited CP, I have not looked back.
CP has better gals quality and quatity compared to CA. However, I still feel CA KTV are more fun and wild, as reported in my previous post. CA KTV are extremely spread out, and far away. Usually 25 RMB (15 mins) cab fare from CA Central.
My last visit, I found that there are some 8-10 BBS clustering together at JingXiaSinChun (Jing Xia New Village), along the odd lanes from lane 9 to 13. Look for the bluish pinkish light as the tell tale sign of a BBS. Quality wise and quatity wise, no match for CP. I arrive from CP to CA, thus I literally have to force myself to pick one.
I have 2 coming over, 1 after another, both are a disappointment.
SE Asia Joe
01-06-10, 07:28
There is this SN gal who has been blowing hot and cold over several months and has recently become surprisingly
Your thoughts please.
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IMHO - a simple question. Is a SN gal in CP worth all the hassles and paranoia?
Look-it, you ain't about to "settle down" with her (God!! At least I Hope you're not even contemplating THIS!!) - so why not just be a regular customer.. It'll save you lotsa $$, worry AND will be easier for you to get back to the reality.... that she is after all.... a CP SN gal.
Cheerio
SEAJ
Chang Ping
01-06-10, 07:48
IMHO - a simple question. Is a SN gal in CP worth all the hassles and paranoia?
Look-it, you ain't about to "settle down" with her (God!! At least I Hope you're not even contemplating THIS!!) - so why not just be a regular customer.. It'll save you lotsa $$, worry AND will be easier for you to get back to the reality.... that she is after all.... a CP SN gal.
Cheerio
SEAJHey SEAJ
Glad to hear your POV. And yeah I "ain't about to settle down" because as you know I already am very very. Erm "settled down".
I do however like the possibility of having her overnight with GFE and all, and if I can do that like with the other SN gals with safety issues appropriately addressed or dismissed then. Hell. Why not?
Seriously does the stuff she says about not wanting to hang out at various places and meet my friends set off any alarm bells for you? Any other data points or possibilities I may have missed out?
Oh BTW she has not been working these days (how do I know? Well constant non-mobile QQ and vidcam). I wonder how she survives though? Hmmmmmm
Any other thoughts fellow ISGers?
SEAJoe,
Young lad, you say this with such experience and authority. I suppose you've been down that road before, where a jiangxi girl took your breathe away and made it hard for you to come back to reality.
Yes...it's always good to stay grounded when you are in the game. But something tells me that you always put all heart into the girls SEAJoe and sometimes...there's a girl that makes it hard for you to land back to reality.
AsnDragon
IMHO - a simple question. Is a SN gal in CP worth all the hassles and paranoia?
Look-it, you ain't about to "settle down" with her (God!! At least I Hope you're not even contemplating THIS!!) - so why not just be a regular customer.. It'll save you lotsa $$, worry AND will be easier for you to get back to the reality.... that she is after all.... a CP SN gal.
Cheerio
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-06-10, 09:09
SEAJoe,
Young lad, you say this with such experience and authority. I suppose you've been down that road before, where a jiangxi girl took your breathe away and made it hard for you to come back to reality.
Yes...it's always good to stay grounded when you are in the game. But something tells me that you always put all heart into the girls SEAJoe and sometimes...there's a girl that makes it hard for you to land back to reality.
AsnDragon
Christ!! Caught me again!!
But Chang Ping really gotta think this all out properly; perhaps put it all down to a pro-con list. But if it's me doing the list - that she IS a Sauna Gal in Cp, well, I'd stop making that list soon as I wrote down that first con.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Bob Builder
01-06-10, 14:31
There is this SN gal who has been blowing hot and cold over several months and has recently become surprisingly receptive to meeting up and staying with me when I am next in town. However, certain things she says have gotten my alarm bells going. Maybe I am just paranoid, but would like to know what you guys think or suggest. She says she wants to meet me, thinks of me but does not want to go out doing the following:
1 meet my friends
2 shopping
3 KTV. Too loud
She however wants to go to the park? I told her that if I do do KTV, she can stay in the room and wait for me. I do want to meet up with her and if things go well perhaps keep her for more than a day.
A bit of history, my recent modus operandi has been establishing connection with SN gals and then getting them to stay with me outside of their normal SN joint. I have done this with several SN gals and it has been a wonderful experience.
With this one, we met about a half year back. The first session was nothing short of wonderful and we have been corresponding since. On my return visit 2 months later, she did not meet me as planned but sent her sister instead which I of course did not take overnight (I like her much better than her sis obviously). In anycase we talked about it and she gave some silly excuse of being afraid to meet me again etc Anyway we have been corresponding on QQ and vidcam off and on since. And she has visited my website and seen the various photos I have in it.
I have noticed that after her visits to my site and viewing my photos (mostly motorsport related and partying at events) she has become very receptive to meeting me when I next roll in to town. Now I am not saying that this is the cause. I am just noticing that that change in behavior and am drawing some possible conclusions.
What am I paranoid about. That with all the reports of kidnapping and stuff, I might be ambushed in the park, room or whatever and since none of my friends have met her, no one will know the better. BTW I have friends resident in CP and always meet up with them at meal times.
Your thoughts please.
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Isn't the answer obvious after all the stuff written here about how many gals there are in CP? If you have so many issues/doubts about this gal, why waste you time worrying about what might happen to you? MOVE ON, NEXT!!!
Dan Hawaii
01-06-10, 22:13
Hey SEAJ
Glad to hear your POV. And yeah I "ain't about to settle down" because as you know I already am very very. Erm "settled down".
I do however like the possibility of having her overnight with GFE and all, and if I can do that like with the other SN gals with safety issues appropriately addressed or dismissed then. Hell. Why not?
Seriously does the stuff she says about not wanting to hang out at various places and meet my friends set off any alarm bells for you? Any other data points or possibilities I may have missed out?
Oh BTW she has not been working these days (how do I know? Well constant non-mobile QQ and vidcam). I wonder how she survives though? Hmmmmmm
Any other thoughts fellow ISGers?
Isn't take out overnight service available for SN girls? Well, maybe if you go late. I know you want gfe so..
Maybe take her to dinner or lunch at a public restaurant. Or just agree to meet up with her and not tell her where you are taking her, just surprise her, then she won't have time to muster a plan to kill you. haha. There's that pretty good amusement park that is around 20 minutes by train, it's pretty damn good, like 6 flags magic mountain. With huge steel roller coasters and water rides too. It's pretty impressive. It has one of the best action shows I have ever seen. I think it's called "something" "Long" . Sorry, forgot the name.
She probably does not want to meet any of your friends because she might be embarrassaed to see someone she might have serviced before.
Dan Hawaii
01-06-10, 22:16
SEAJoe,
Young lad, you say this with such experience and authority. I suppose you've been down that road before, where a jiangxi girl took your breathe away and made it hard for you to come back to reality.
Yes...it's always good to stay grounded when you are in the game. But something tells me that you always put all heart into the girls SEAJoe and sometimes...there's a girl that makes it hard for you to land back to reality.
AsnDragon
That's why SEAJ is always bringing sand to the beach at ktvs, cause he's always in love. ;)
Big Swingin Dave
01-07-10, 04:43
Isn't take out overnight service available for SN girls? Well, maybe if you go late. I know you want gfe so..
Maybe take her to dinner or lunch at a public restaurant. Or just agree to meet up with her and not tell her where you are taking her, just surprise her, then she won't have time to muster a plan to kill you. haha. There's that pretty good amusement park that is around 20 minutes by train, it's pretty damn good, like 6 flags magic mountain. With huge steel roller coasters and water rides too. It's pretty impressive. It has one of the best action shows I have ever seen. I think it's called "something" "Long" . Sorry, forgot the name.
She probably does not want to meet any of your friends because she might be embarrassaed to see someone she might have serviced before.The name of the amusement in Panyu, Guanzhou is ChimeLong - http://en.chimelong.com/Main.aspx。
It is about an hour away from the Dongguan Train Station in Chanping. 35 minutes via express train (50RMB) from CP to GZ East Station then another 30 minutes via subway (6RMB) - take the No. 3 line 2 stops to TiYuXiLu (体育西路) Station go across the platform and take the train toward Panyu to HanXiChangLong (汉溪长隆) station, then about a 10 minute walk to the entrance of the amusement park. Cost of admission is 170RMB per person. Group discounts are available (120RMB per person).
BSD
SE Asia Joe
01-07-10, 05:34
That's why SEAJ is always bringing sand to the beach at ktvs, cause he's always in love. ;)
ROFLMAO!!
BUT.... there IS some truth to that statement.
I DO love the feeling of falling in love, love the personal touch - but I on the other hand - at 25 Years old - already too old a dog to fall all log stock and barrel into it.
Good that Chang Ping at least considers the cons versus all the pros - and that it's important to know oneself's own lmits....and the limits of Chinese Gals.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-07-10, 05:36
SEAJoe,
Young lad, you say this with such experience and authority. I suppose you've been down that road before, where a jiangxi girl took your breathe away and made it hard for you to come back to reality.
Yes...it's always good to stay grounded when you are in the game. But something tells me that you always put all heart into the girls SEAJoe and sometimes...there's a girl that makes it hard for you to land back to reality.
AsnDragon
Landing back to reality.....THAT.... is the bummer lots of time.
But a guy's gotta to do what guy's gotta do!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-07-10, 05:38
Isn't the answer obvious after all the stuff written here about how many gals there are in CP? If you have so many issues/doubts about this gal, why waste you time worrying about what might happen to you? MOVE ON, NEXT!!!
Bob .... you're sometimes just too heartless!!! LOL!
Let him down easy.... he's in love.... and don't need to come crashing down to earth.....YET!!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-07-10, 05:43
Hey SEAJ
Glad to hear your POV. And yeah I "ain't about to settle down" because as you know I already am very very. Erm "settled down".
I do however like the possibility of having her overnight with GFE and all, and if I can do that like with the other SN gals with safety issues appropriately addressed or dismissed then. Hell. Why not?
Seriously does the stuff she says about not wanting to hang out at various places and meet my friends set off any alarm bells for you? Any other data points or possibilities I may have missed out?
Oh BTW she has not been working these days (how do I know? Well constant non-mobile QQ and vidcam). I wonder how she survives though? Hmmmmmm
Any other thoughts fellow ISGers?
OK.... fair question.
What ya gotta do is to exercise your perogative as the Alpha Male AND the one with the $$$ to straighten her out. Put your feet down and tell her - hey - do what I want to do! Forget about all your "preferences" I'm telling you something - so do it!
And if she refuses to "follow your orders"....like Bob would say..... "NEXT!"
Bad, really BAD idea to allow Gals - ANYWHERE AND OF ANY NATIONALITY - to dictate terms of a relationship.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
01-07-10, 06:44
I'm talking about the cost of "left luggage storage" at Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok airport.
$40 for. 3 hours, $55 per day, $130 for 2 days, $210 for 3 DAYS, $290 for 4 DAYS. AND IT'S $80 PER DAY PER PIECE thereafter!
Cain't believe it. But that's what it says on the price list!
And don't even think about leaving over-sized or luggage over 30 KG. AT LEAST double the normal rate it says!
SEAJSEAJ,
You should tell the guy at the airport for 55 rmb you can get laid at the catacomb in CP.
Fast Eddie 48
Bob Builder
01-07-10, 09:20
Bob .... you're sometimes just too heartless!!! LOL!
Let him down easy.... he's in love.... and don't need to come crashing down to earth.....YET!!!
SEAJ
Joe,
I assume he pays her, he has fecked her "sister" but not overnight(which if this is true love is a test by the gal which he failed) and is scared of what might happen to him. Even my little brother with no brain would be worried or just say "where's the pussy at?".
You pay for gals so you can avoid all the drama or a normal relationship so why pay for it and have to put up with all the problems as well?
Chang Ping
01-07-10, 09:39
She probably does not want to meet any of your friends because she might be embarrassaed to see someone she might have serviced before.Hey Dan. This seems like a plausible consideration I missed out. Again, I am not looking to rationalize my decision (it has not been finalized). Thanks!
Chang Ping
01-07-10, 09:41
Joe,
I assume he pays her, he has fecked her "sister" but not overnight(which if this is true love is a test by the gal which he failed) and is scared of what might happen to him. Even my little brother with no brain would be worried or just say "where's the pussy at? ".
You pay for gals so you can avoid all the drama or a normal relationship so why pay for it and have to put up with all the problems as well?thanks but to clarify and address concerns. No. I am not in love. I like doing gals I am comfortable with. Hell I have 2 regular gals I do weekly back home!
The sister? Nope. Never did her. We just partied and I sent her back.
Chang Ping
01-07-10, 09:43
OK. Fair question.
What ya have to do is to exercise your perogative as the Alpha Male AND the one with the $$$ to straighten her out. Put your feet down and tell her. Hey. Do what I want to do! Forget about all your "preferences" I'm telling you something. So do it!
And if she refuses to "follow your orders". Like Bob would say. "NEXT! "
Bad, really BAD idea to allow Gals. ANYWHERE AND OF ANY NATIONALITY. To dictate terms of a relationship.
Just IMHO
SEAJYeah I like this. Good to be reminded that we should not ever be seen as "needy"
We pay. We say. They do!
Dan Hawaii
01-07-10, 13:02
The name of the amusement in Panyu, Guanzhou is ChimeLong - http://en.chimelong.com/Main.aspx。
It is about an hour away from the Dongguan Train Station in Chanping. 35 minutes via express train (50RMB) from CP to GZ East Station then another 30 minutes via subway (6RMB) - take the No. 3 line 2 stops to TiYuXiLu (体育西路) Station go across the platform and take the train toward Panyu to HanXiChangLong (汉溪长隆) station, then about a 10 minute walk to the entrance of the amusement park. Cost of admission is 170RMB per person. Group discounts are available (120RMB per person).
BSD
Yeah, BSD, you the Man.
I thought I was going to a kiddie ride place, like cheap and junk, but to my delightful surprise, it was pretty badass. The action show is a must see.
listen to seajoe. He speaks the truth.
I had my own issues with one particular girl. I listened to his advice and I just went cold turkey on her. Dropped all contact with her and finally cleansed myself. Dont get me wrong, I still think about her every now and then, but losing her was the best thing to do.
Robin Mill
01-07-10, 13:58
Hi AsnDragon
I didnt turned off my PM function, just that I have not paid my subscription yet. Haw haw. (Is this your subtle way of asking me to pay up for this board? Hmmm...) I have signed up just now. Looking forward to be 'Promoted' to Senior Member! So any free bonks entitlement as a senior member?
Not everywhere and anywhere, just CP and CA. I have regulars both at these places. Sometimes it is hard not to visit them when you are in town.
All is well, and I am having the CP Blues.
Will,
How come you turned off your PM function for ISG? I can't seem to send any private messages to you. How have you been my friend? Seems like you've been everywhere and anywhere these days!
Hope all is well
AsnDragonAt 25 years and too old? Geez. You still have a long way young lad. But I guess you are really old at heart. Singing all the old english songs at KTV, where only me, my father and my grandfather could remember. Even our 27 year old friend from USA do not know what we are singing!
Haw Haw Haw!
ROFLMAO!!
BUT.... there IS some truth to that statement.
I DO love the feeling of falling in love, love the personal touch - but I on the other hand - at 25 Years old - already too old a dog to fall all log stock and barrel into it.
Good that Chang Ping at least considers the cons versus all the pros - and that it's important to know oneself's own lmits....and the limits of Chinese Gals.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-07-10, 17:55
listen to seajoe. He speaks the truth.
I had my own issues with one particular girl. I listened to his advice and I just went cold turkey on her. Dropped all contact with her and finally cleansed myself. Dont get me wrong, I still think about her every now and then, but losing her was the best thing to do.That's just about the nicest thing I've ever read here.
Thanks - and I am very glad that you seem to have been able to work things out.
C U
Joe
Fast Eddie 48
01-07-10, 17:57
Yeah, BSD, you the Man.
I thought I was going to a kiddie ride place, like cheap and junk, but to my delightful surprise, it was pretty badass. The action show is a must C.Dan,
Chimelong also have a nice zoo and safari park world famous for their white tiger, no real white tiger, they also have a water park there also is a big place so bring a group of girl and be like a BSD.
Fast Eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
01-07-10, 21:58
You pay for gals so you can avoid all the drama or a normal relationship so why pay for it and have to put up with all the problems as well?
Very true. And from my experience, in the long run..., girlfriends are more expensive than working girls.
Bob Builder
01-08-10, 02:00
Very true. And from my experience, in the long run..., girlfriends are more expensive than working girls.
While I do not like to value what a normal girlfriend is worth by how many shots I can get a BBS, guys here should realize that they might treat a WG well and fall for them, the WG does not have the same feelings for you so shouldn't get all confused if she doesn't act as you want.
SEAJoe,
I don't blame you. Falling for a girl is sometimes easy when you find the right girl. Also falling for a girl makes you feel like your young again, and that feeling really is precious.
But...wait..you are only 25 years old...what am I talking about? silly me, you don' t need to feel young you are young!
On a serious note. I actually think that girls in CP are ok with being with someone who's substantially older than them. I mean they actually like the old man after a while. I know most people here would say that I don't know what I'm talking about and most girls are trying to trick you for your money. But some girls..not all...but some actually genuinely feel like they love a man who's 20 years older than them. I mean sure they love their wallets at the same time, but girls are all the same. WG and Non-WG they all love a man's wallet regardless. But In CP perhaps you can find a girl who loves you. perhaps 1 in a 100 chance, but...there's still that chance.
Or perhaps it's just me, a 56 year old talking crap, hoping what i said above is true or can actually happen.
AsnDragon
Landing back to reality.....THAT.... is the bummer lots of time.
But a guy's gotta to do what guy's gotta do!!
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
01-08-10, 03:44
SEAJ,
You should tell the guy at the airport for 55 rmb you can get laid at the catacomb in CP.
Fast Eddie 48
FE48,
The price in the catacombs is 30 RMB unless it has gone up since I was last there about a year ago.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
01-08-10, 03:49
While I do not like to value what a normal girlfriend is worth by how many shots I can get a BBS, guys here should realize that they might treat a WG well and fall for them, the WG does not have the same feelings for you so shouldn't get all confused if she doesn't act as you want.
BB,
We were just talking about this subject in CP yesterday. I measure everything by the number of shots with BBS girls. It is the standard unit of measurement for me.
That said, I sometimes break my own rules when it comes to normal girlfriends. The value for money is just not there but I enjoy it anyway.
Just my POV.
OAH
Bob Builder
01-08-10, 04:16
BB,
We were just talking about this subject in CP yesterday. I measure everything by the number of shots with BBS girls. It is the standard unit of measurement for me.
That said, I sometimes break my own rules when it comes to normal girlfriends. The value for money is just not there but I enjoy it anyway.
Just my POV.
OAH
If the guys that used this measure stuck by their own rules they would never get married or is it because of this that they start using this measure?
OldAsiaHand
01-08-10, 04:28
Chang Ping,
Have you ever considered that she is afraid to meet your friends because of the the possible embarrassment of having done one of them?
Just my POV.
OAH
Clean Gene
01-08-10, 06:42
If the guys that used this measure stuck by their own rules they would never get married or is it because of this that they start using this measure?
The old American phrase. Only it used to become 'negative bucks a fu-k' with 'marriage'.
In Asia you might not get the bucks from a non-working country girl, but you'd still get a maid, cook and seamstress as well as a fuckstress.
And you could leave her behind when you 'shipped out'.
CG
SE Asia Joe
01-08-10, 09:43
SEAJoe,
I don't blame you. Falling for a girl is sometimes easy when you find the right girl. Also falling for a girl makes you feel like your young again, and that feeling really is precious.
But...wait..you are only 25 years old...what am I talking about? silly me, you don' t need to feel young you are young!
On a serious note. I actually think that girls in CP are ok with being with someone who's substantially older than them. I mean they actually like the old man after a while. I know most people here would say that I don't know what I'm talking about and most girls are trying to trick you for your money. But some girls..not all...but some actually genuinely feel like they love a man who's 20 years older than them. I mean sure they love their wallets at the same time, but girls are all the same. WG and Non-WG they all love a man's wallet regardless. But In CP perhaps you can find a girl who loves you. perhaps 1 in a 100 chance, but...there's still that chance.
Or perhaps it's just me, a 56 year old talking crap, hoping what i said above is true or can actually happen.
AsnDragon
Whaddya talkin' 'bout Old man? 1 in a 100?? Try higher..... much higher for any gal to truly "Loves you"...anywhere.
What is Love?
Doesn't somebody love another because of what he/she is - including his status in life, the kind of lifestyle he can afford (and which she'd hope to share), how he treats her - sexually, emotionall AND financially?? It's all part of the equation.
So what if the financially part gets a bit over-emphasized with CP gals?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-08-10, 09:44
The old American phrase. Only it used to become 'negative bucks a fu-k' with 'marriage'.
In Asia you might not get the bucks from a non-working country girl, but you'd still get a maid, cook and seamstress as well as a fuckstress.
And you could leave her behind when you 'shipped out'.
CG
Gotta apologize - but that is NOT nice!!
Tsk Tsk Tsk!!
IMHO!!
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
Alright...alright...to find a girl to just "love" you is 1 in 100. To find a girl who "truly loves" you is about 1 in 10,000. You must agree that there are varying degrees in which a girl can actually love you right?
Some people may say that "love" is something pure and simple and not contingent on anything else. But in reality Love has many strings attached and it comes with a whole lot of baggage.
I know Joe, you go on you romantic escapades in wooing these girls so much that at times you get caught up in the moment and it messes with your mind and you start to wonder and contemplate deeper on what is really love? can a WG girl or a girl from China really "love" you any more or less than someone you've met in other countries?
Fact of the matter is most women, whether they be working girls or NON working girls, in any country love you because you have some qualities or possess something that fulfills her criteria and or needs. This is universal. Once again the reason why many...not all...guys go to China is because their criteria are lower and they expect a whole lot less from guys. To fulfill their expectations, to make them feel touched by you, is easily achieved, as many China girls just want a sincere guy who treats them well and can provide for them. This makes us feel useful, wanted and fulfilled in a way. Every many has a dream or ego of being the chivalrous prince who sweeps a girl off her feet right? We can't be the Richard Gere in Pretty Woman in the real world, but in CP some guys feel that they are that much more charming and powerful because they step into China thinking their purchasing power is that much stronger there.
In all reality, a women loves you for who you are, what you have and what you can give. Those China guys who have beaten down the expectations of what a man can do or provide so low that most guys can outperform or outshine those China men who are mostly useless (The ones that beat or live off of these WG or NON working girl's salaries, this also includes their stupid brothers back at home who leech off of their hardworking sisters as well).
Simply put, Women are women. Every women is the same. Have you ever met a woman who doesn't love money? It's Universal. I feel at times we should not discredit a WG's sincerity when it comes to their emotions for a guy, just because they are a WG. In china there are so many types of WG, full time, part time...it doesn't matter because if you click with one of them, their occupation doesn't matter that much right?
Can a WG love a customer. I say YES. Does it happen often? I say NO. Well of course only to SEAJoe who falls in and out of love every other week when he goes up to CP.
AsnDragon
Whaddya talkin' 'bout Old man? 1 in a 100?? Try higher..... much higher for any gal to truly "Loves you"...anywhere.
What is Love?
Doesn't somebody love another because of what he/she is - including his status in life, the kind of lifestyle he can afford (and which she'd hope to share), how he treats her - sexually, emotionall AND financially?? It's all part of the equation.
So what if the financially part gets a bit over-emphasized with CP gals?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
01-08-10, 14:07
SEAJoe,
Alright...alright...to find a girl to just "love" you is 1 in 100. To find a girl who "truly loves" you is about 1 in 10,000. You must agree that there are varying degrees in which a girl can actually love you right?
Some people may say that "love" is something pure and simple and not contingent on anything else. But in reality Love has many strings attached and it comes with a whole lot of baggage.
I know Joe, you go on you romantic escapades in wooing these girls so much that at times you get caught up in the moment and it messes with your mind and you start to wonder and contemplate deeper on what is really love? can a WG girl or a girl from China really "love" you any more or less than someone you've met in other countries?
Fact of the matter is most women, whether they be working girls or NON working girls, in any country love you because you have some qualities or possess something that fulfills her criteria and or needs. This is universal. Once again the reason why many...not all...guys go to China is because their criteria are lower and they expect a whole lot less from guys. To fulfill their expectations, to make them feel touched by you, is easily achieved, as many China girls just want a sincere guy who treats them well and can provide for them. This makes us feel useful, wanted and fulfilled in a way. Every many has a dream or ego of being the chivalrous prince who sweeps a girl off her feet right? We can't be the Richard Gere in Pretty Woman in the real world, but in CP some guys feel that they are that much more charming and powerful because they step into China thinking their purchasing power is that much stronger there.
In all reality, a women loves you for who you are, what you have and what you can give. Those China guys who have beaten down the expectations of what a man can do or provide so low that most guys can outperform or outshine those China men who are mostly useless (The ones that beat or live off of these WG or NON working girl's salaries, this also includes their stupid brothers back at home who leech off of their hardworking sisters as well).
Simply put, Women are women. Every women is the same. Have you ever met a woman who doesn't love money? It's Universal. I feel at times we should not discredit a WG's sincerity when it comes to their emotions for a guy, just because they are a WG. In china there are so many types of WG, full time, part time...it doesn't matter because if you click with one of them, their occupation doesn't matter that much right?
Can a WG love a customer. I say YES. Does it happen often? I say NO. Well of course only to SEAJoe who falls in and out of love every other week when he goes up to CP.
AsnDragon
My goodness..... so much wisdom.... must be age and experience!!
And Amen to all you write. And the eloquent way you explain things!! Kudos my old man friend!
And at last..... I got a reason to like the way these Local boys treat their gals!! ROFLMAO!!! Without them I would not be able to SHINE!!!
SEAJ
Love in females is caused by the release of oxytocin into the bloodstream. You can get virtually any woman to love you (unless you're really ugly, you know who you are ;)) with the right amount of positive and negative reinforcement, along with a bit of behavior modification on the man's part to do things that increase things like trust and contentment along with reducing other things like fear and anxiety. Basically, that means doing things that might take a large chunk of time. BTW, the release of oxytocin is probably evolutionary. It is released during breast and nipple stimulation and it makes mothers bond to babies.
I also think I read before there are two types of women, ones who are more receptive to oxytocin and ones who are not. The ones who are more receptive fall in love more often, are more generous, suffer less stress, and make better mothers. The ones who are not tend to have more social anxiety disorders and make not as good mothers.
In CP, it is hard to find good food unless going into a food chain, like Bruce Lee or so on. These gather near the big Malls, where foreigners can come to eat freely in mind, even solo. I found a super good one near CP avenue. I really fancy the atmosphere and the food there. And they are reasonable priced so that I kept eating too much, lots of great fruity delicacies and nutritious-minded dishes just for your actions the night before and after. I even took the ad with me. However all in Chinese and I can't read it. If you wanna try it, tell taxi to call (769)22922222 then go there to eat and drink the tropical stuff. Wow I feel surprised this forum never discuss food. We aren't supermen, and good food is not easy to find.
Planning on being in DG in late January and thinking of going to ChangAn for a few days instead of CP. Can anyone recommend a decent hotel and know the rate? Prefer one with a KTV inside, most will have sauna.
Is there anything else to do in ChangAn? i know in CP there is a little shopping and fairly easy to get around, any thoughts on CA? is there a mall etc, anywhere to walk about (at least you can walk the main drag in CP from lion to miraton).
Also if anyone interested in a little party there around the 3rd week of Jan. let me know by PM. Might be fun to have a group on a new exploration mission since the reports are scarce in that area. thanks for the 1's there are though.
Seems the ktv lineup is
JiAn: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
(seems the most popular with good quality)
DFML (Dong Fang Mei Li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Wu Sha Hotel KTV
Xing Zhi Xing KTV (Star of Star Hotel) (Near the border of Humen and Chang An): girls put underwear in plastic bag
Dong Cheng KTV
JinSha KTV (JSMZ)
ShaTou Hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Also SuperHotelSpa was previously recommended as was Hawaii sauna by BSD.
Any thoughts on a ChangAn three day exploration?I have to support your view about JiAn KTV. After spending many evenings in that place, I can say that I have never seen such GFE in a KTV as I've seen in JiAn KTV.
The girls are hired after fully explaining to them that it's not possible to refuse going out with ANY customer. In addition, they are trained for great GFE. If they cannot provide it, they are dismissed.
The girls have special uniforms (dresses), which are see-through type. In addition, the entire top section (covering the hills) is hanging on a lace around the neck, which can be temporarily released for showing (and feeling) the equipment. The girls are not wearing bras.
I have attended several evenings where the girls took off all of their clothes and danced in the room, even without asking them to do so. It was just something in the overall good feeling in the room which made them do it.
Three words of warning about this place:
1. Call to book a room in advance. The place is fully booked every evening.
2. Arrive no later than 8:30pm, or you'll have a room but no girls.
3. Make sure to have a Chinese speaking guy in your party, as they don't have English speakers working there.
UN LE70
freepeeks,
i've compared cp with other dongguan towns such as: houjie, humen, tangxia, zhangmutou, huangjiang dongkeng, hengli, fenggang, dalang, chang an to name a few. i must say that cp is still superior to all the other towns.
huangjiang- only has the prince hotel, and the walmart (if and when it gets built)
asndragonone "secret" addition about huangjiang:
there's a small road running in parallel to the huangjiang park. that street is about 200m long, with about 10 bbs just on the street. you can just take a walk on that street and see the girls sitting outside and waiting for customers.
the options are "on-site st", "take out st", "take out lt", and "overnight". for st the standard price is about 100-150 rmb, with stories about 80 rmb if you push it. for overnight the price is 300 rmb, but can be 250 rmb if you come on a weekday after 11pm.
be very careful to talk only to the bbs mamma and close everything you want in advance. also, they would try to ask for the money in advance, or some of it in advance. do your best to pay after the service is granted and not before, as some girls tend to "change their mind".
again, this is place is normally catering for local chinese guys. make sure to have a chinese speaking person with you, as it's impossible to use anything but chinese there.
un le70
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Moody,
If only there's a way to measure the level of Oxytocin in a woman's body....I guess then we'd be able to weed out the good and bad ones to go after. If they ever came out with a oxytocin wand, I can imagine all the guys carrying that around waving it around each girl to detect their levels to see if it's high or not.
But in my book, there really are only two types of girls. Ones that enjoy sex and ones that do not. When I say they do not enjoy sex, they really have no interest at all! Perhaps it is due to the low oxytocin levels, who knows? But some girls are not receptive to sex or intimacy at all. So Moody's right in many ways...
AsnDragon
Love in females is caused by the release of oxytocin into the bloodstream. You can get virtually any woman to love you (unless you're really ugly, you know who you are ;)) with the right amount of positive and negative reinforcement, along with a bit of behavior modification on the man's part to do things that increase things like trust and contentment along with reducing other things like fear and anxiety. Basically, that means doing things that might take a large chunk of time. BTW, the release of oxytocin is probably evolutionary. It is released during breast and nipple stimulation and it makes mothers bond to babies.
I also think I read before there are two types of women, ones who are more receptive to oxytocin and ones who are not. The ones who are more receptive fall in love more often, are more generous, suffer less stress, and make better mothers. The ones who are not tend to have more social anxiety disorders and make not as good mothers.
Moody,
If only there's a way to measure the level of Oxytocin in a woman's body....I guess then we'd be able to weed out the good and bad ones to go after. If they ever came out with a oxytocin wand, I can imagine all the guys carrying that around waving it around each girl to detect their levels to see if it's high or not.
AsnDragon
That's not really how it works, oxytocin is not always present in the bloodstream. It's only released during certain physical stimulation. It's the women who are more sensitive to it, not the ones who have more of it, that are more likely to fall in love more often. Oxytocin creates a feeling of relaxation and reduces stress and fear. That's why if you do things that simulate the feelings women get when oxytocin is released, women will fall in love with you. If you can make a woman trust you, make her feel content, reduce her stress, reduce her anxiety, and reduce her fear levels, which is what oxytocin does, then it's a pretty easy to get her to fall in love with you.
Lot of guys say things like, "women only love money." It's not the money really. It's what the money brings with it, reduction of stress, anxiety, and fear by the lack of money. Men don't really have the same response to money (more of an evolutionary competitiveness thing) as women, and it's also the primary reason more women are willing to marry for money than men. In addition, if you can make the woman feel trust and some contentment, then you're almost there. A small push after that the woman will be hopelessly in love with you, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
I'm not saying any of this stuff is easy. Some guys are better at it than others, and some guys just suck at it. The guys who suck at it just have to try harder. The point is though, you can make any woman fall in love with you, if you're willing to try hard enough.
I even took the ad with me. However all in Chinese and I can't read it. If you wanna try it, tell taxi to call (769)22922222 then go there to eat and drink the tropical stuff. Wow I feel surprised this forum never discuss food. We aren't supermen, and good food is not easy to find.
Take a pic with your cellphone and post it. Somebody who can read Chinese will translate it.
In CP, it is hard to find good food unless going into a food chain, like Bruce Lee or so on. ................
............................. Wow I feel surprised this forum never discuss food. We aren't supermen, and good food is not easy to find.
Perhaps you'd care to say "good food that suites a foreigner's palatte" or to be more specific, "good 'laowai' food".
For Chinese people, there is a lot of great food in CP and, relatively low prices.
C.
SE Asia Joe
01-09-10, 06:29
Perhaps you'd care to say "good food that suites a foreigner's palatte" or to be more specific, "good 'laowai' food".
For Chinese people, there is a lot of great food in CP and, relatively low prices.
C.
LOL!!
You guys....!!
Reminds me of the time when I had to "entertain" my internal auditor just about every night, and it wasn't till the last night he was here that he'd agree to have Chinese food.
Took him to Fook Lam Moon - the best Cantonese restaurant in Hong Kong - and amongst other things I ordered him Steamed lobster - which I thought was safe enough.
Guess what - the guy insisted on "Drawn butter" - which of course the restaurant didn't have (Chinese food don't use butter!!), and the idiot refused to eat it.
SEAJ
FernandoAlonso
01-09-10, 07:57
Had finally the chance to get to CP and the honor to get together with a bunch of guys from the Board (a special thanks to all of you) who made the chicken run a real highlight. Even on weekdays (or because of) great selection of gals, we must have seen over a hundred in 8 shops and some real beauties, of course I was too late for the super stunner in my eyes, she went with a young handsome ABC. Alone the selection process is worth the visit, even though some soft minded may find it borderline how the mummies "market" the gals, but it is up to you how you treat them. Most girls are young and goodlooking, first time in China that a WG was without clothes hotter than wearing them (man I love this highheel boots and the short skirts, but normally cupsize diminishes by a huge percentage). ST is the way to go, after mine had earned herself the LT, TV went on, service level went down and after she developped belly pain earned herself an early exit (I paid her not the full amount as she left before midnight but after 3 pops, got some criticism for that but hey, why reward early exits and what has pissed me really off that she sent me shower to get a BJwhen I came back she had pain, wtf). Of course some drama, but if you stay calm and firm, things resolve amicably, I even got a sorry band sweet goodbye kiss.
Set your expectations right, the gals are young and may have mileage but they are not that experienced yet and it is a more BBS like environment. For this at least mine did a good job (even GFE after getting taught kisssing :-)))no joking she said she did not know how to do it, meiwenti, one of my favourable subjects to teach). So some complaining about size etc. is I think ok, also there are foreigners but still mainly Chinese or Asians and the girls are a bit afraid of perceived Western oversize, so discount this.
I can only recommend having an experienced and Chinese speaking wingman, it is much easier to find these places and you avoid mistakes, especially if you are there first time!
And this is a must do, you have mongered in China and missed this, your own fault! Easy to get there, easy to get laid reasonable priced, whatelse do you want!!
FA
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Clean Gene
01-09-10, 09:25
Gotta apologize - but that is NOT nice!!
Tsk Tsk Tsk!!
IMHO!!
SEAJ
Decades ago I was an 'agronomist' studying Ag first hand. I always tried to leave the woman better off (one way or another) when I left.
CG
One Eyed Man
01-09-10, 09:30
Perhaps you'd care to say "good food that suites a foreigner's palatte" or to be more specific, "good 'laowai' food".
For Chinese people, there is a lot of great food in CP and, relatively low prices.
C.
I realize that we don't want this to turn into the restaurant thread, but we do discuss hotels, KTVs, etc. If anyone has any good food recommendations in CP, I for one would like to hear them...
I realize that we don't want this to turn into the restaurant thread, but we do discuss hotels, KTVs, etc. If anyone has any good food recommendations in CP, I for one would like to hear them...Trimmed Pussy 3 times a day, with vegies after lunch, and a little gravey on the side.
Cunning Linguist
01-09-10, 10:34
Had finally the chance to get to CP and the honor to get together with a bunch of guys from the Board (a special thanks to all of you) who made the chicken run a real highlight. Even on weekdays (or because of) great selection of gals, we must have seen over a hundred in 8 shops and some real beauties, of course I was too late for the super stunner in my eyes, she went with a young handsome ABC. Alone the selection process is worth the visit, even though some soft minded may find it borderline how the mummies "market" the gals, but it is up to you how you treat them. Most girls are young and goodlooking, first time in China that a WG was without clothes hotter than wearing them (man I love this highheel boots and the short skirts, but normally cupsize diminishes by a huge percentage). ST is the way to go, after mine had earned herself the LT, TV went on, service level went down and after she developped belly pain earned herself an early exit (I paid her not the full amount as she left before midnight but after 3 pops, got some criticism for that but hey, why reward early exits and what has pissed me really off that she sent me shower to get a BJwhen I came back she had pain, wtf). Of course some drama, but if you stay calm and firm, things resolve amicably, I even got a sorry band sweet goodbye kiss.
Set your expectations right, the gals are young and may have mileage but they are not that experienced yet and it is a more BBS like environment. For this at least mine did a good job (even GFE after getting taught kisssing :-)))no joking she said she did not know how to do it, meiwenti, one of my favourable subjects to teach). So some complaining about size etc. is I think ok, also there are foreigners but still mainly Chinese or Asians and the girls are a bit afraid of perceived Western oversize, so discount this.
I can only recommend having an experienced and Chinese speaking wingman, it is much easier to find these places and you avoid mistakes, especially if you are there first time!
And this is a must do, you have mongered in China and missed this, your own fault! Easy to get there, easy to get laid reasonable priced, whatelse do you want!!
FA
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After reading all the fun on this thread, and seeing that Dalian and other places up north don't seem to be as monger-friendly or as wallet-friendly, I think that I am going to do my Chinese learning in Dongguan rather than up north even though the Mandarin there is said to be better. Southeast Joe has convinced me that Mandarin can be used and even practiced in the big cities there. So, doing Mandarin in the day, doing girls at night!!! I have even acquired the FSI Cantonese Course to make the girls happy. If Fernando Alonso thinks it is cool, it must be as I really respect his judgement.
I hope to catch up with some of you in August. I will be in Haiti in July at Creole Mansion which brings up another matter. Would I have to make a "reservation" with BSD for when I get to Dongguan? You have to make a reservation at Creole Mansion before you go, that is why I ask.
I hope to be able to contribute to this thread with reports like I have in the Sosúa and Haiti threads.
Peace
Chang Ping
01-09-10, 14:03
Chang Ping,
Have you ever considered that she is afraid to meet your friends because of the the possible embarrassment of having done one of them?
Just my POV.
OAHThis is a distinct possibility I had not considered.
Tks OAH!
I have even acquired the FSI Cantonese Course to make the girls happy.
Peace
You don't have to speak a single word of Cantonese to get around in South China, unless you go to small farming villages near Guangzhou. The vast majority of working girls are not from Guangdong, and thus, very few are native Cantonese speakers. A lot of them though, pick it up from watching HK TV. Basically, outside of greater Guangzhou area, the vast majority, as in over 99%, are from other places, and they'll speak other dialects, like Sichuanese, Dongbeihua, Hunanese, etc., etc., not Cantonese, but they'll all speak Mandarin, although they speak with various accents.
ManLian Restaurant:
Hong Kong style cuisine right below of Miraton is a good Restaurant, one of my favorite HK Style food in my opinion in CP.
Boton Restaurant:
Good mixture of Western and Eastern Cuisine. High end steaks are not bad, and it's near a happening area of the shopping strip.
AjiSen Ramen(Wei qian la mien):
Right across the train station. Their ramen is like any other franchise in China, quality is ok, not great but fairly consistent and the place appears clean which is a plus.
The Spinning Restaurant (forgot the name):
This place is near Boton Restaurant. It's the top floor Restaurant up about 29 stories I think, and you get a great view. They serve Western style food. A great place to bring a girl because of the ambiance.
Captiol Noodle House:
I think that's what it's called. It's right on the main strip of CP, across Hui Mei Hotel. They serve south east asian, but mostly vietnamese Cuisine. the food is not bad, but it's a bit on the expensive side. Good for a quick grab of lunch.
Mito Cafe:
Having other locations in DaLang, This place is fairly decent for their food. They give great value for the price.
Japanese Restaurant by Hai Xia Hotel:
Forgot the name of the restaurant, but it's not a bad place. Lots of people lining up during their opening week. I personally don't eat Japanese in China, only in HK as I question their Sashimi skills in China. But that's just me. But friends have recommended this place before to me.
Liu Qian Guan (six thousand Restaurant):
This place has some unique food. reasonable priced, worth a try. Chinese food, serving smaller dishes which you can order a variety of them.
Across Liu Qian Guan:
there's two restaurants. One's a western Restaurant with a green signage, i forgot the name of the place. They serve decent steaks there. A bit on the high side of pricing, but good quality.
The other restaurant next to it is a HK style restaurant, the price is not bad and the milk tea is not bad either.
I'm sure there are lots more restaurants that cater to the locals, like restaurants behind Hui Mei, which one place is not bad at all, but i find them to be a bit on the dirty side. That's just my opinion.
P.S.--i think Moody should be posting this so he can write his own "moody's guide to CP" travel book.
AsnDragon
There are other places too. But restaurants in CP come and got pretty quick.
I realize that we don't want this to turn into the restaurant thread, but we do discuss hotels, KTVs, etc. If anyone has any good food recommendations in CP, I for one would like to hear them...
SEAJoe,
You mean...you didn't ask a guy to run to the local 7-eleven to pick up a stick of butter and have the chef in the back melt it down using their wok to perfection and serve it for the auditor? how could you??
lol
Some people just can't appreciate good food...
AsnDragon
LOL!!
You guys....!!
Reminds me of the time when I had to "entertain" my internal auditor just about every night, and it wasn't till the last night he was here that he'd agree to have Chinese food.
Took him to Fook Lam Moon - the best Cantonese restaurant in Hong Kong - and amongst other things I ordered him Steamed lobster - which I thought was safe enough.
Guess what - the guy insisted on "Drawn butter" - which of course the restaurant didn't have (Chinese food don't use butter!!), and the idiot refused to eat it.
SEAJ
The Spinning Restaurant (forgot the name):
This place is near Boton Restaurant. It's the top floor Restaurant up about 29 stories I think, and you get a great view. They serve Western style food. A great place to bring a girl because of the ambiance.
Captiol Noodle House:
I think that's what it's called. It's right on the main strip of CP, across Hui Mei Hotel. They serve south east asian, but mostly vietnamese Cuisine. the food is not bad, but it's a bit on the expensive side. Good for a quick grab of lunch.
Mito Cafe:
Having other locations in DaLang, This place is fairly decent for their food. They give great value for the price.
Spinning restaurant is very good ambiance, but i think they pray you don't look at or taste the food. very expensive, and quite awful. the view of CP is interesting though.
Capitol Noodle (formerly something else) was a Thai/Vietnamese/SE asia thing, and the food was good. unfortunately they are out of business (I tried to find it last time walking back and forth until i realized it was closed).
Mitos is good food and good atmosphere including drinkable coffee. they have a 2pm special but food is reasonable.
Further down that street is a green awning restaurant with swings upstairs (like the Happy together place - but Happy together's food is awful and slow service) good food and good price.
If you are at the door to mito's and head straight out down that alley 20-30 ft there is a lamb place (small shop) halal that is good.
HuiHua private rooms are good when there is a big group in town to do a brunch/lunch.
Miraton has good dimsum restaurant on 2nd floor...
Based on Pointpanic's request to visually map out some of the restaurants, I put forth the effort to help people visualize where these restaurants are located. I'm sure there are tons other restaurants where people love that I have not included within my map. But There's just too many restaurants that I sometimes forget which ones I ate at.
A disclaimer is that: all the restaurants listed are not going to be 100% terrific, but just suggestions. In addition, I did this all out of memory, so some restaurant locations may be off by one block or so. So don't flame me if I'm off my my geography here. Furthermore, for the places where i don't include the full restaurant's name, it's because I forgot them, but I sort of displayed what type of cuisine they sell.
Because CP is ruled mostly by HK guys, most of the decent restaurants are still restaurants that cater to...none other than HK Guys. Therefore you will see tons of HK Style Restaurants all over the place!
CP isn't well known for their food as we all know. It's well known for their girls. But while we are hunting for girls, we get hungry and this is just a small guide to those who don't know CP well. To all the experts, I'm sure you could walk to your favorite restaurants with your eyes closed.
Money....women and Food...what else can a man ask for?
AsnDragon
It's sad to hear that it closed down so quickly. Honestly, I'm not surprised since their prices were very high. But their food was not bad. I use to go there sometimes in the afternoon for lunch, eating those dishes that remind me of that vietnamese stuff you get in the states. Oh well...that's kinda sad. Restaurants in CP come and go so quick these days, it seems the only places that survive are the HK style Restaurants that cater to HK guys-since they are the biggest patrons of CP afterall.
I'm running out of places to go eat at after the first week, i find myself eating the same old thing over and over again....We need new variety. Problem is, I never dare to each restaurants that cater to local people as I had a bad experience in the past where I got food poisoning.
AsnDragon
Spinning restaurant is very good ambiance, but i think they pray you don't look at or taste the food. very expensive, and quite awful. the view of CP is interesting though.
Capitol Noodle (formerly something else) was a Thai/Vietnamese/SE asia thing, and the food was good. unfortunately they are out of business (I tried to find it last time walking back and forth until i realized it was closed).
Mitos is good food and good atmosphere including drinkable coffee. they have a 2pm special but food is reasonable.
Further down that street is a green awning restaurant with swings upstairs (like the Happy together place - but Happy together's food is awful and slow service) good food and good price.
If you are at the door to mito's and head straight out down that alley 20-30 ft there is a lamb place (small shop) halal that is good.
HuiHua private rooms are good when there is a big group in town to do a brunch/lunch.
Miraton has good dimsum restaurant on 2nd floor...
OldAsiaHand
01-10-10, 16:36
OAH "King of the Catacombs" ... Where's Carl?
Dan Hawaii,
I'll try to get down to see you. I told Carl you were looking for him. Did you get my PM with his digits?
OAH
Based on Pointpanic's request to visually map out some of the restaurants, I put forth the effort to help people visualize where these restaurants are located. I'm sure there are tons other restaurants where people love that I have not included within my map. But There's just too many restaurants that I sometimes forget which ones I ate at.
A disclaimer is that: all the restaurants listed are not going to be 100% terrific, but just suggestions. In addition, I did this all out of memory, so some restaurant locations may be off by one block or so. So don't flame me if I'm off my my geography here. Furthermore, for the places where I don't include the full restaurant's name, it's because I forgot them, but I sort of displayed what type of cuisine they sell.
Because CP is ruled mostly by HK guys, most of the decent restaurants are still restaurants that cater to. None other than HK Guys. Therefore you will see tons of HK Style Restaurants all over the place!
CP isn't well known for their food as we all know. It's well known for their girls. But while we are hunting for girls, we get hungry and this is just a small guide to those who don't know CP well. To all the experts, I'm sure you could walk to your favorite restaurants with your eyes closed.
Money. Women and Food. What else can a man ask for?
AsnDragonFor the western taste, I would have to add a few comments:
Mouton French Restaurant:
There's a road running parallel to the hotel strip. It starts from the town square (where ladies are dancing in the evening), through the ICBC bank, through "FreeSpace Bar", and all the way to the street where "Cafe de Coral" is. The restaurant is loacted very close to the end of the street ("Cafe de Coral" street). The food is great and VERY high level (expensive too), just don't order the beef. Eveyrthing else is great. English speaking staff and menu are available.
Raindrops Cafe:
Located at the second floor of the complex across the street from the railway station (same complex as "Ajisten Ramen"). They have some kind of Buffet (I don't recommend it), but the dishes from the menu are very nice. English menu is available.
The Bistro:
Located below the Miraton hotel, next to 7-Eleven. The place is owned by the same guy who ownes "LA Bar" and the other restaurants/bars next to it. Not as cheap as "Mito", but very nice. English speaking staff and menu are available.
Hunan style retaurant with Guangdong touch:
Located above "Pozolim" foot massage, second floor on the left side, across the street from Miraton hotel. This is a Chinese restaurant with Hunan style dishes, modified to the taste of HK and Guangdong people (not very spicy). Very suitable for western guys, as the menu is bi-lingual and with great pictures.
Miraton Buffet:
The "western" restaurant at the Miraton hotel offeres buffet dinners for about 100 RMB. There are many dishes a western guy would find nice, and since it's "eat all you can", the price can be considered as fair.
The major problem (for me) in CP was where to eat a decent beef steak. The Chinese taste for beef includes taking BAD Chinese beef and adding some enzymes to make it soft. The result is not something you would like to eat (lile someone has already chewed that steak before you). I checked out all the places and the conclusion is that only the downlisted places are ok for beef:
Mito Cafe: The Fillet steak is ok.
The Bistro: The Fillet steak is ok.
Raindrops Cafe: Their beef is ok.
Have fun,
UN LE70
Big Swingin Dave
01-10-10, 17:50
The Mei Bao Sauna is located on the fourth floor of the Swan Lake Shopping Center, opposite XinDi Disco Club, Jia Ji Hotel, and next to LiHao Hotel. Was there on 3 separate occasions over the past 4 days and selections there are very very good. They have both good quality and quantity. The most number of girls working is at the 4pm showing. The girls sit around a 20 x 20 waiting room for viewing. The manager also hook us up by the hallway near the dressing room where we got first look at all the girls before they go to work or have just got off the clock and on their way to the viewing room.
The $88 room fee is waived if you call 10 minutes in advance. WGs prices are 500, 550 (dancers), 600 (models). Plus 1 service are available upon request. 100RMB discount for doubles. There were quite a few lookers so make sure to at least go check out the ladies on your fun trip to CP.
BSD
StinkyFeet
01-10-10, 19:02
There's hot model that will be "tour guide" for me my biz trip this coming month. She wants 1200rmb. Is this market price for a model in Houjie? She's 5"9', slender runway type girl. My favorite is the fact she's still wearing size 6 shoes.
Jack The Lad
01-10-10, 20:26
Hi guys.
I'm writing this as I wait for my plane at heathrow to HK. Hopefully will be able to meet some of you guys this time. Will be in HK until the end of January. Should be able to hit cp a few times this trip. Can't wait. I'll be posting my reports as soon as I get back to the uk. Glade I'm leaving all this bloody snow behind. Lol.
The Bistro:
Located below the Miraton hotel, next to 7-Eleven. The place is owned by the same guy who ownes "LA Bar" and the other restaurants/bars next to it. Not as cheap as "Mito", but very nice. English speaking staff and menu are available.
Hunan style retaurant with Guangdong touch:
Located above "Pozolim" foot massage, second floor on the left side, across the street from Miraton hotel. This is a Chinese restaurant with Hunan style dishes, modified to the taste of HK and Guangdong people (not very spicy). Very suitable for western guys, as the menu is bi-lingual and with great pictures.
Capitol restaurant
before it was Capitol, it was some other name. they facelifted the restaurant and changed the name about 1 year ago without changing the menu. too pricey for locals, and too small for HKers i think. sorry to see it go as it was always fast and good, great for a 20 min dinner before ktv. try that at a chinese restaurant.
I second The Bistro, it is decent and good food, good cold import beer, you can even get vodka and tequila (normal bar). But it is expensive compared to everything else. Actually had a decent sandwich there and a beer my first trip. very westernized inside. bartender usually speaks english too.
The Hunan style restaurant above Pozilim is great I always go 2-3 times a trip. I have to also say it is possible to get the food spicy Hunan style there, simply ask. It will not be spicy off the menu, just tell them spicy is good. there is no english here but picture menu is good.
There's hot model that will be "tour guide" for me my biz trip this coming month. She wants 1200rmb. Is this market price for a model in Houjie? She's 5"9', slender runway type girl. My favorite is the fact she's still wearing size 6 shoes.
Is the price only for services as a tour guide? For showing me around all day and being my personal companion to scenic spots, I'd say "Hell yes!" But that's me, I don't get out very often.
If the price includes or for 'escort' services such as extras, I'd say "Hell yes!" But that's me, I'm a sucker for 5"9', slender runway type girls.
I don't know about market price, but for a hot model, I say the buyer dictates the market price.
Can you pass me her #?
StinkyFeet
01-11-10, 15:25
No. Haha. I like this girl. So I might privatize her, depending how she treats me.
Is the price only for services as a tour guide? For showing me around all day and being my personal companion to scenic spots, I'd say "Hell yes!" But that's me, I don't get out very often.
If the price includes or for 'escort' services such as extras, I'd say "Hell yes!" But that's me, I'm a sucker for 5"9', slender runway type girls.
I don't know about market price, but for a hot model, I say the buyer dictates the market price.
Can you pass me her #?
Bigboobman007
01-12-10, 12:06
Now now, I gotta say somethin and defend my beloved CA and the gals of course, after you 2 punks' bad review. jus kidding. I know these guys and their likings(somewhat) and have partied with them by the way.
1stly, for massages: sauna, tuina (cheaper than with a variety of finishes-FJ, BJ, or HJ) and footie (dirty), CA wins hands down. The establishments are in dedicated buildings (not just in a few hotel floors like in CP) and definitely more in quantity if you say quality is in the eye of the beholder. Did I mention dirty footie? yes. It is the best way to spend a lazy afternoon getting massages, touching young, wonderful bodies (sometimes naked) and them toying around your raging member.
2ndly, you can't beat a 100% hit rate for friendly and accommodating gals in CA KTVs. Sometimes in CP, u get the feeling "so who's paying who?" If u say the GENERAL looks of CP gals is a grade higher that CA gals, their GENERAL attitude bring them 3 grades lower than CA gals.
After being disappointed times and again of getting wonderful sex with KTV gals, i just stopped hoping and concentrate on having a good time in the KTV room than the "takeaways." The gal gotta really bring their A game to be able to make me spend money servicing them. As compared to a sauna gal whom, for sure I will get (trained) service from-get it?
To be fair to my 2 buddies, I must say that every place has their own merit. For a sauna (and other type of massages) guy like me who is very particular about sex where the gals has to do their part, CA offers much more quantity and variety. Thus, for anyone like me who rank sauna above ktv or bbs, do give CA a try.
Hi
I agreed with AsnDragon.
I started out mongering in CA, visitng the KTV joint almost everyday. Having visited CP, I have not looked back.
CP has better gals quality and quatity compared to CA. However, I still feel CA KTV are more fun and wild, as reported in my previous post. CA KTV are extremely spread out, and far away. Usually 25 RMB (15 mins) cab fare from CA Central.
My last visit, I found that there are some 8-10 BBS clustering together at JingXiaSinChun (Jing Xia New Village), along the odd lanes from lane 9 to 13. Look for the bluish pinkish light as the tell tale sign of a BBS. Quality wise and quatity wise, no match for CP. I arrive from CP to CA, thus I literally have to force myself to pick one.
I have 2 coming over, 1 after another, both are a disappointment.
Big "Boob"man 007,
I put "boob" in quotes to highlight the taste and preferences of my friend bigboobman007. lol. Ok, well you do know my preferences and I certainly know your preferences when it comes to girls as well. In fact I think all the brothers that know you here know what is your preference. But truth be told, you are correct on one thing. CA girls in general do have give better service. Perhaps, in my personal opinion, the looks department is not my cup of tea in CA, but the girls there are generally more friendly- for some odd reason. This is not to say that CP girls are less friendly, it's just that i noticed that girls in CA, their attitudes are bit more laid back. Perhaps it's the environment, I don't know.
Dirty footies are always good once in a while. Yes it does have it's appeal of being able to fondle and be fondled in a semi sleazy, or completely sleazy way. There's there positive aspect of the excitement factor when you get to slip your hands through a girl while she's dressed, instead of the whole mechanical routine of taking off the clothes, showering, drying off, then off to bed and doing the deed. When you undress or unbutton a girl's clothing, there's this aspect of forbidden fruit, so to speak about the whole act of fondling them in that type of footie atmosphere. One thing I DO NOT like was when girl massaged my foot, and without washing her hands put some oil on her hands and started rubbing my little brother down there. I do not consider my feet to be dirty...but she should at least wash or rinse her hands a little...
But CA having the quantity of these places is a plus...but i do not frequent these dirty footie places all that often. Perhaps I need you to bring me to the really good ones..all my previous ones were average at best.
One thing I know about Bigboobman007 is that when he recommends something I will at least try it. His standards for girls are high in every department, looks and service. So perhaps I'll take a second deeper look into CA and what they have to offer there. I know you mentioned they have a great sauna there so I'll have to check it out.
As bigbboobman and I are somewhat on the same wavelength...we went through all of mayflower KTV flower street for at least 1.5 hours and did not find more than 2 girls we thought we up to par. And the girl we both thought was pretty acceptable, we both approached her to see if she'd sit with us, but much to our dismay, she was "inconvenient."
AsnDragon
Now now, I gotta say somethin and defend my beloved CA and the gals of course, after you 2 punks' bad review. jus kidding. I know these guys and their likings(somewhat) and have partied with them by the way.
1stly, for massages: sauna, tuina (cheaper than with a variety of finishes-FJ, BJ, or HJ) and footie (dirty), CA wins hands down. The establishments are in dedicated buildings (not just in a few hotel floors like in CP) and definitely more in quantity if you say quality is in the eye of the beholder. Did I mention dirty footie? yes. It is the best way to spend a lazy afternoon getting massages, touching young, wonderful bodies (sometimes naked) and them toying around your raging member.
2ndly, you can't beat a 100% hit rate for friendly and accommodating gals in CA KTVs. Sometimes in CP, u get the feeling "so who's paying who?" If u say the GENERAL looks of CP gals is a grade higher that CA gals, their GENERAL attitude bring them 3 grades lower than CA gals.
After being disappointed times and again of getting wonderful sex with KTV gals, i just stopped hoping and concentrate on having a good time in the KTV room than the "takeaways." The gal gotta really bring their A game to be able to make me spend money servicing them. As compared to a sauna gal whom, for sure I will get (trained) service from-get it?
To be fair to my 2 buddies, I must say that every place has their own merit. For a sauna (and other type of massages) guy like me who is very particular about sex where the gals has to do their part, CA offers much more quantity and variety. Thus, for anyone like me who rank sauna above ktv or bbs, do give CA a try.
There's hot model that will be "tour guide" for me my biz trip this coming month. She wants 1200rmb. Is this market price for a model in Houjie? She's 5"9', slender runway type girl. My favorite is the fact she's still wearing size 6 shoes.Hi stinkyfeet,
I go to Houjie once a week had a nice 21yo regular that is going back to her hometown, Does this girl have anyfriends for long term meetings
SE Asia Joe
01-13-10, 18:10
I mean CP.... slowing down these days.
Lots of ISG'ers in town past couple or so days - but I notice that things seems to be slowing down markedly in CP.
Yesterday only 25 or so at Jun Hui and today only about 10 at 4 pm!! Yeah, Wednesday - the slowest day as there's Horse racing in Hong Kong - but this was ridiculous! Only went to Baby's shop after that and chose one as soon as I saw a decent one - as I was plenty worried that if I didn't take her then and there that she'd disappear!! And actually she was not bad, not bad at all.... an ex-Houjie DJ who just broke up from her "boyfriend" (leech) and trying to figure things out in CP, on only her second day! So I had a pretty good "teaching" session with her.
Lots of the gals are leaving town soonest as they're worried that there's gonna be a repeat of the"Big freeze" as the weather in China this winter had been quite harsh.
Was also at the Euro Asia just now - and I saw LOTS of empty rooms. The punters seems to be staying away in droves too.
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
01-13-10, 22:05
Hi stinkyfeet,
I go to Houjie once a week had a nice 21yo regular that is going back to her hometown, Does this girl have anyfriends for long term meetingsto be honest. I was lucky to meet her and this occurred recently. I'll ask her but I think chances are slim. She was also planning to return to her hometown but decided to stay when I told her I was coming back to China for biz. She is even traveling to all the shit spots across rural China where I have to go to. Thank god since a lot of these places have NOTHING to do and the KTVs and saunas are horrible (for locals only). Of course I have to pay for her tickets. But its nice to have a hot companion though.
Hi Guys,
My friend will by in Chang'An for several days for business and would like to get a girl for a few days, to be with him day & night. I thought a BBS girl would be the most suitable for this (let me know if you agree).
Does anyone know where in Chang'An you can find some BBS? I would need an address, or at least location description.
Thanks,
UN LE70
to be honest. I was lucky to meet her and this occurred recently. I'll ask her but I think chances are slim. She was also planning to return to her hometown but decided to stay when I told her I was coming back to China for biz. She is even traveling to all the shit spots across rural China where I have to go to. Thank god since a lot of these places have NOTHING to do and the KTVs and saunas are horrible (for locals only). Of course I have to pay for her tickets. But its nice to have a hot companion though.Thanks stinkyfeet, I hope you have a good time best of luck. Let me know if you ever stay in the Sheraton in Houjie maybe I can hook up for a drink
California8
01-16-10, 05:24
I have visited CP for the first time. BSDave nice enough to book a room for me at the Clipper. Met some other ISGer's which is a first for me, in the past, in China, I have always gone solo. Enjoyed my first KTV experience at Peninsula and was lucky enough to pick two girls who vied for my attention throughout the night. I am not a big drinker and do not speak putonghua so glad that my new ISG friends were able to help with translation when needed.
The girls come into the room in their 'mommy' groups' of 10 or 12 at a time. A nice and relaxing way to see all the girls. As some of the group came later, with each new arrival there was a new parade. I found it interesting to see the parade of girls come in smaller and smaller groups as in these gals still parading have not been picked yet.
I took my SYT but her performance at the hotel did match her work at the KTV to win me over. Can't complain as her body was just my type and she had the cutest high squeaky voice. Over the long haul, that voice would get to me but not just for one night.
Cal8
California8
01-16-10, 05:34
Fellow ISG'er took me on a afternoon chicken run to 3 or 4 BBS in the Swan Lake area. I like these large room BBS's in CP. In other cities I have visited in China, it was always just small shops with 3-5 gals but here in CP there were plenty of gals to choose from in the numerous shops.
Best thing to be along with someone who knows the ropes is the price and ground rules are understood and you feel totally safe.
Did a ST for RMB$200 and was rather flattered to get what I thought was a request to stay the rest of the evening which of course would come at a higher price. I turned her down knowing that a trip to see the flower street at Fuhao KTV was coming up in the evening. She offered me her phone number but too many fish in the sea here at CP to check out in my 3 days.
Cal8
California8
01-16-10, 05:49
Invited to party with more fellow ISGer's at Fuhao. Now this flower street is an experience to behold for a first timer to CP like me. Hundreds of gals in all different heights, bust sizes and appearances from slutty to innocent. If you wear a jacket, take it off before viewing because those mommies will pull it off grabbing you to pick their gals. We had a big room with plenty of space for the guys and their gals.
Unfortunately, the two cuties I picked did not vie for my attention like the two at last nights KTV. Last night I could have picked either one and tonight it will be neither one. Everyone else hit the jackpot with their gals and certainly enjoyed it when their tops came off.
After a bite to eat, I was guided to the night market and picked a petite and busty but older (sheesh, I can't believe an old geezer like me is saying 23 is old) gal who the mommy assured would provide optimal service. She did not disappoint, taking lots of time and not rushing through.
I am not sure it is good for my health to try to catch all of CP in 3 days.
CAL8
SE Asia Joe
01-16-10, 07:31
Went on my regular visit to Chang Ping, spent some time with one of my regulars, had a KTV session, went to a sauna once but was still not quite satisfied that I’d done all that I should have been doing during my 2 nights/3 days there. Something just didn’t feel complete this visit.
So when a couple buddies asked me to take them on a BBS chicken run the afternoon I was due to leave, I readily agreed. I first took them to the Jun Hui KTV/BBS – and was totally appalled as there were less than 10 gals there… 4pm in the afternoon!! Incredible – since as you know, regular times they’d have minimum 40-50 gals always hanging around. And the quality of the selection was TERRIBLE!!
Was going to go to the Yalan area but was waylaid by the-pain-in-the-ass mummy who promised that she had a few good ones. OK, no harm I guess – and we went to Baby’s shop where we saw approximately 20 gals… none really outstanding. Until mommy pointed out her new gal Ko MY who had the biggest and most welcoming smile I’d seen in a long time.
Oh Wow – not that bad I guess, acceptable I guess! So I told mommy I’ll take her but will only pay RMB 170 – 70 to her and 100 to Ko My – which of course she agrees to as I’ve made such a deal with her lots of time before on weekdays even though the regular rate there is actually RMB 200. Luckily my 2 buddies also managed to scrounge up a couple to their liking and off to the races we went.
Found out that she’s only on her second day at work; having just broken up with her boyfriend (Leech!) she had quit her DJ’ing stint at a Houjie KTV and just took on the first job that she managed to get at CP – without having to pay deposits etc as she had no money. Lucky me!! She actually asked me to teach her what to do!!
A few pictures, a bit of a strip show I instructed her to do, a surprisingly nice shower session when she actually cleaned me up very nicely (Hmmm.. where did she learn THAT?!) and it’s on to the bed. Now, her body is a bit on the slim side – even for me who likes ‘em slim – but she was ever so pliant and eager to learn/please, that I couldn’t help but have a raging hard-on even before she took off her clothes. Ahhh…. Sex… It’s all in the mind!!
According to her, she’d NEVER done a BJ before – and I think I DO believe her as she was really terrible at it….but a fast learner though… and after some coaching/teaching, she actually was doing a pretty good job of it. I decided then to sort of “reward” her – and NOOOO, I wasn’t gonna go down on a BBS gal. NO way!! Instead I took out a couple of my little bullet vibrators (compliments of Slower Better!) and started working on her.
And it her like a lightning bolt!! Didn’t even understand at first what was happening to her – but she WAS really getting all turned on. First I just lightly brushed her clits and its surround, increasing the pressure as I proceeded, and then taking another little bullet and sticking it straight into her. She was practically crying and asking me to “STOP!! I’m gonna wet your bed!”
WHAT???/ Not only had I gotten a fresh one, I also got me a Squirter!! Hallelujah – there IS a God after all!! STOP? You gotta be kidding?! All I did was grab a towel and stuck it underneath her and quickened my ministrations of her privates! And shuuuure enuff – a gusher!! Perverted?? You betcha …. And totally enjoyable!!
Let her rest up a bit after that (she was practically half dead) and then proceeded to teach her all the positions I know in screwing – but I think I’ll just leave this out – as it’s not anything special/pretty well S.O.P. teaching.
She wanted to hang around but I needed to get back to Hong Kong – so I just went ahead and paid her RMB 160 – 100 what her usual fee would have been, 30 as my regular tip to BBS gals – and the 30 I wrangled from Mommy. I LOOOOVE messing with these mommies – and I figure that 70 to the mommy and 160 to the gal doing ALL the heavy lifting is a much more fair cut! Just my own idiosyncrasy I guess
I’ll post up a couple pixs in the photo gallery
SEAJ
I read most of your reports when I can, always a laugh.
I will be coming to Guangzhou in late Feb, but now CP sounds a better bet, thanks again.
Went on my regular visit to Chang Ping, spent some time with one of my regulars, had a KTV session, went to a sauna once but was still not quite satisfied that I'd done all that I should have been doing during my 2 nights/3 days there. Something just didn't feel complete this visit.
So when a couple buddies asked me to take them on a BBS chicken run the afternoon I was due to leave, I readily agreed. I first took them to the Jun Hui KTV/BBS – and was totally appalled as there were less than 10 gals there 4pm in the afternoon! Incredible – since as you know, regular times they'd have minimum 40-50 gals always hanging around. And the quality of the selection was TERRIBLE!
Was going to go to the Yalan area but was waylaid by the-pain-in-the-ass mummy who promised that she had a few good ones. OK, no harm I guess – and we went to Baby's shop where we saw approximately 20 gals none really outstanding. Until mommy pointed out her new gal Ko MY who had the biggest and most welcoming smile I'd seen in a long time.
Oh Wow – not that bad I guess, acceptable I guess! So I told mommy I'll take her but will only pay RMB 170 – 70 to her and 100 to Ko My – which of course she agrees to as I've made such a deal with her lots of time before on weekdays even though the regular rate there is actually RMB 200. Luckily my 2 buddies also managed to scrounge up a couple to their liking and off to the races we went.
Found out that she's only on her second day at work; having just broken up with her boyfriend (Leech!) she had quit her DJ'ing stint at a Houjie KTV and just took on the first job that she managed to get at CP – without having to pay deposits etc as she had no money. Lucky me! She actually asked me to teach her what to do!
A few pictures, a bit of a strip show I instructed her to do, a surprisingly nice shower session when she actually cleaned me up very nicely (Hmmm. Where did she learn THAT?!) and it's on to the bed. Now, her body is a bit on the slim side – even for me who likes 'them slim – but she was ever so pliant and eager to learn/please, that I couldn't help but have a raging hard-on even before she took off her clothes. Ahhh. Sex It's all in the mind!
According to her, she'd NEVER done a BJ before – and I think I DO believe her as she was really terrible at it. But a fast learner though and after some coaching/teaching, she actually was doing a pretty good job of it. I decided then to sort of "reward" her – and NOOOO, I wasn't going to go down on a BBS gal. NO way! Instead I took out a couple of my little bullet vibrators (compliments of Slower Better!) and started working on her.
And it her like a lightning bolt! Didn't even understand at first what was happening to her – but she WAS really getting all turned on. First I just lightly brushed her clits and its surround, increasing the pressure as I proceeded, and then taking another little bullet and sticking it straight into her. She was practically crying and asking me to "STOP! I'm going to wet your bed! "
WHAT? / Not only had I gotten a fresh one, I also got me a Squirter! Hallelujah – there IS a God after all! STOP? You have to be kidding?! All I did was grab a towel and stuck it underneath her and quickened my ministrations of her privates! And shuuuure enuff – a gusher! Perverted? You betcha. And totally enjoyable!
Let her rest up a bit after that (she was practically half dead) and then proceeded to teach her all the positions I know in screwing – but I think I'll just leave this out – as it's not anything special/pretty well S. O. P. Teaching.
She wanted to hang around but I needed to get back to Hong Kong – so I just went ahead and paid her RMB 160 – 100 what her usual fee would have been, 30 as my regular tip to BBS gals – and the 30 I wrangled from Mommy. I LOOOOVE messing with these mommies – and I figure that 70 to the mommy and 160 to the gal doing ALL the heavy lifting is a much more fair cut! Just my own idiosyncrasy I guess
I'll post up a couple pixs in the photo gallery
SEAJ
Robin Mill
01-16-10, 17:20
Geez! A gusher exist in China!
Would the young macho Swedish Joe allow an old man like me pass on her contact?
If there is a queue, I am the first in line!
And I totally agreed on 30 extra for the gal minus away from the mommy.
The gal do all the work and it is half half for mommy and the gal.
What kind of business model is that?
The problem is that there are so many gals to take over.
I reckon if the market price overall is 150 to mommy and 50 for gals, there will still be lot of gals around.
This is China.
WHAT???/ Not only had I gotten a fresh one, I also got me a Squirter!! Hallelujah – there IS a God after all!! STOP? You gotta be kidding?! All I did was grab a towel and stuck it underneath her and quickened my ministrations of her privates! And shuuuure enuff – a gusher!! Perverted?? You betcha …. And totally enjoyable!!
Let her rest up a bit after that (she was practically half dead) and then proceeded to teach her all the positions I know in screwing – but I think I’ll just leave this out – as it’s not anything special/pretty well S.O.P. teaching.
She wanted to hang around but I needed to get back to Hong Kong – so I just went ahead and paid her RMB 160 – 100 what her usual fee would have been, 30 as my regular tip to BBS gals – and the 30 I wrangled from Mommy. I LOOOOVE messing with these mommies – and I figure that 70 to the mommy and 160 to the gal doing ALL the heavy lifting is a much more fair cut! Just my own idiosyncrasy I guess
I’ll post up a couple pixs in the photo gallery
SEAJ
BlueDragon88
01-17-10, 08:14
SE Asia Joe,
Oh boy,I'm getting wet too.
Nice FR.
Dan Hawaii
01-17-10, 10:19
After 24 hours of traveling, I landed in HKIA at 3:30 pm. Took Sky Limo and arrived at Crown Prince at 6:45, stupid driver was confused or something. Made us go to meet up for the van switch near the boarder, but to find out, the switch was at Crown Prince. All awhile texting like a madman, to get the ktv agenda straight. Bottom line, was going to Fuhao KTV and was coming in late, like 8pm. Made a call to BSDave at 6:20, to pick me 3 girls, just hopeing that one of them was going to be a winner. He picked me 2 normal and 1 model girl.
Checked in and took a shower in 25 minutes flat, and headed off to ktv. Arrived at KTV at 7:45, held my breath, and Dave made me guess which 3 girls were mine. All of them looked taken, because all the guys were holding and playing bullshit dice with them. Was kind of dissappointed at first, because I just have high standards. ;) I was like awe man!!! But as the night gone on and I had my beer goggles on, one of the 3 girls started to look really good. Anyways, all 3 of them were pretty and really fun gals. All of them trying to get me to take them home. But I already knew which one I was going to pick. Let's just say, the night was a pretty good night. All the girls in the room had great attitudes, and all of us had a great time.
Thanks Dave.
Dan Hawaii
01-17-10, 10:48
Around 2pm went to sauna, the one BSDave recommended at Swan Lake Plaza. Had around 20 girls in a common area where you pick. It was pretty damn busy, because it was a saturday. But still had some nice lookers. I picked one really nice one, just the kind of look that I like. She did not look too happy when I picked her and when she stood up. But I was like, aahh, they always look pissed in the line ups, hahaha, but in this case, the "Flower Street", if you will. Anyways, she was real lovey dovey in the room and was really cool and attentive. Really took care of me, if you know what I mean;)
At night, got some misinterpreted agenda/information mess up. Was suppose to have dinner at 5:30 and presumably ktv after, so I was okay. But ended up going 40 minutes out of town for a business dinner with all upper management of a company... don't want to go into details, but still thought, okay, there is a ktv in this dinner place, maybe we going there after. So when 6:45 came around I asked the host what we doing after, he said majong. So I was struck with terror, no ktv!!! Awe shit!!. Called BSDave, he was at dinner with gf. Everyone going back to Fuhao ktv again. I was like, oh shit, Saturday and Flower street opens at 6:15. Then called Bruce Tea at 6:50 pm,... "yo, Bruce pick me 2 girls please, asap". He obliged and text me... "slim pickings man". I was fearing the worse. Ended up going to Fuhao at 8:30, and low and behold, bruce tea got me 2 of the most....................................... fugly, not my type girls. Well, one of them was fugly and the other one was ok. Everyone agreed that the 1 girl was fugly. Awe Bruce, sorry to say, never gonna ask you for that favor again :) "I no believe!!!!!!"
Anyways, went home alone. Was a terrible mongering night, but the girls were again, all fun and had one of the best attitudes I have experienced.
PS, Bruce Tea, just kidding. I know you tried. You remind me of Mike Myers. You are a classic and fun ktv buddy.
Dan Hawaii
01-17-10, 10:59
Went to Baby's BBS, tried to get a certain girl, but had bad cell phone reception and long story short, got the wrong girl. Anyways, she was nice, tall, slender, Hubei, and gfe all the way till the end. I always get good service from Baby's BBS. Papa must smack the girls there, because he knows me and always gives the girl the "eye" (you better take care of this horney mother fucker or else) ;)
Anyways, it's now 6pm, gotta get ready to ktv. Going super early this time, because I have been here 3 days so far and I have NOT yet got the chance to pick my own girls!!! Damn it!! So nothings going to stop me tonight, I hope.
after so many info i got from brothers here, and much postpone on my trips. this is my small reports
day 1
destination: chang an
arrived at macau 10. 30am, straight to the border control (gongbei port). cross over to zhu hai.
driver was late, we walk around the underground shopping area and lunch.
driver arrived at 1pm, now we depart to ca.
checked into hotel rich kingdom hotel or pronounce at diying hotel, from sunday to wednesday their offer rate are at 50% board rate (over rmb1, 000). for us, they give us another 40% off the offer rate which is at rmb340 per night. (later that night i heard we can actually get at rmb188 with spending in ktv next door.) the room was great, it has a living room and automated mahjong table, steam room, shower, security safe box and a emperor like bed.
after checked in, straight to sauna (golden dragon relax centre), called up ah jun the manager that 5 of us are coming. we arrived there 5 minutes later at 5. 30pm, ah jun have not arrived yet, so his associates are taking us around. a few batches of gals were shown to us on the stage, but not up to our liking, so we proceed to the bath and steamers. according to ah jun, the best time would be 6. 30pm when all the gals start work. while waiting, 4 of my friends decided to go for massage instead. what a disappointed choice from them. thought they all wanted to experience the real sauna in china. well, fuck them. i proceed to the catwalk show for selection. ah jun arrived, immediately apologized to him that 4 of my friends back off and took the massage instead. his manners and patient are fantastic, he said its alright that's not a problem, and he will help me to proceed with the selection of gals. he didn't rush me on the selection, batches by batches of catwalk in front of me with all the half naked chics (i think i have seen about 10 batches or so) told him i like to see their trainees, i like big breast. in a few minutes, 3 trainees arrived, i like the one with innocent look and with huge round boobs. then she stayed, and i continue eye searching the cat ladies on stage. finally i picked 1, her number is 313. petite size with just a nice boob size (not big) fair skin, big eyes, smiley faces, and according to ah jun she is a trainer for the dancing gals. i told her i want a 3some (forgetting that i have a big boob trainees behind me waiting.), can she recommend her friend who she can be wild with. few more gals have shown then finally picked one s88 who have a sluty looks and looks exactly like my colleague. then ah jun, said why not take 3 gals. now i remember the trainee standing me. with a few second thought, why not, i came here to enjoy and wanting to experience the sexual fantasy. and since all my friends not taking sauna, me feeling a bit guilty towards ah jun, i meant not that ah jun is hard selling the trainee. ok then 4some here i come
after a long briefing on the tour, now the action starts:
2 young pretty ladies holding my right and left with the trainee following behind walking towards the fantasy room. in was quite a walking distance, stairs lifts, stairs and finally " the room". the room consists of 2 area, bathing area with a massage table, and divided by a glass wall with bed on the other side and mirror on the back of the bed.
it's a 2 hour sessions, started both 313 and s88 slow dancing in front of me, touching each other breasts and sliding their fair skin, nice shape young body against each other while dancing, they were looking at me while dancing, that's a hard on man! after stripping, booth have a juicy young bodies with great shape, nice soft boobs, fair skin, smooth skin, and pretty faces with a slutty look. no regrets on picking this 2. then they both lay me on the bed and explain their services (can't recall all the names they said la), after that slowly kissing me all over my body (with the trainee sitting beside the bed watching the action), both gals lick my nipples and downwards licking till my toes. wow. then the bj by 313 while s88 licking my body. then they put on the condom, then 313 suck me again while s88 putting some sm cuff on my both hand and leg (leather cuff with a small chain). and a batman eye cover for me, then i started fucking 313 and s88 kissing me and licking 313 breast. i did the doggie, missionary, and putting both girl side to side hugging and one on top of the other (breast to breast position) while i take turn doing them (condom needed to change when change girl). then i. you know
then, both asked me to take a rest while both get ready the massage table by the bath. so i chit chat with the trainee. the massage table ready, the massage table was cushion on top with a hole at one end of the table for water drainage, the table was wrap in a huge see thru plastic bag and was filled with warm water now. they lay me with my face down, second round of massage coming up, boob massage, both gals were sliding their boobs and bodies on my whole body on both side. mouth sucking again, boobs on ass, boobs on foot based, breast on my chest, breast on face, and toe sucking. you name it, 2 pair of breasts are all over every part of my body. the trainee doesn't do much though.
after that 313 dried me up, and lay me on the bed with my face down.
they start another round of sucking on me. this one is nice and sexy, they lay me on my chest against the bed. 313 and s88 have some hot water in their mouth and start sucking my back. (you know, like you suck on the skin and drag from top of my back to my butt, the lips didn't leave my back while doing it, you can feel the skin was suck and pull by their mouth and from shoulder to butt) each of them take 1 side of my back. (its call massage with mouth or something). it was great, after the back then the leg. wow as good as my back. its making me hard on again. after the mouth massage, then i changed to a knee position with my head down, ass hole penetration time with their tongue, both also trying so hard to go deeper hehe. feels like being [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) then the show started, they bring out the pink double headed dildo, 2 very long condoms were put on both end of the dildo, s88 and 313 take one side of the dildo and start fucking at it wow, hand on each other breast, squeezing, dildo fucking each other not sure about other, the scene is making me a hard on. (i think the service is call "king of kung fu")
hard on
now lets the fucking starts again. pretty much the same as the 1st encounter as above, taking turn on fucking both girls. only different was, after all that, still can't come and i want to take on the trainee. starting to touch the trainee, her face turn red so fast and when i put it in her, her face was all red and the moaning sound are so like first time being fuck feel. not bad at all. while doing her, both the senior lick on the trainee breasts. man oh man, still can't load my armies,. then i asked the s88 and 313 to do a trib (leg cross and pussy to pussy rubbing next to me while i do the trainee). they agreed, now s88 and 313 have their leg cross at each other and pussy facing each other and getting closer, then start rubbing. (can't really see the actual pussy rubbing, well at least the reality scene is both of them is as close as any scene in the adult movie, both were like fucking mad doing it, rubbing at each other while i fuck the trainee). this is what i came here to c. after a long fucking, i still can't have my second load out.
then s88 offer me a bj to release while doing so, 313 and trainee licking my body. after another 5 minutes of jacking me, finally i exploded.
that was a long 2 hours with 2 shots for me. after a long day of travel from malaysia to macau to ca (total of 7 hours travel) with these load, i m so fucking tired. man this is worth it i get to experience and see the real thing, and it is so fucking great.
both s88 and 313 are rmb500 category. i paid them rmb600.
trainee is a +1, means rmb100. i paid her rmb150.
total cost = 600 x 2 + 150
= rmb 1, 350
nite still early, next stop ktv (?).
to be continue.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
Hi Guys,
My friend will by in Chang'An for several days for business and would like to get a girl for a few days, to be with him day & night. I thought a BBS girl would be the most suitable for this (let me know if you agree).
Does anyone know where in Chang'An you can find some BBS? I would need an address, or at least location description.
Thanks,
UN LE70You can try the KTV and Sauna in the basement of the Parkview Hotel in Chang An. Little expensive but some nice looking talent.
Thanks to a good buddy of Monger X, I went to the newly opened (about 2 months or so) Hawaii Sauna (across the street from Century Flower Club in the Sha Tou district of Chang An) earlier this week. The place is brand new, it used to be a shopping mall so this place is huge. We (another non-ISG brother and I) were guided to a sitting room where there were approximately 75 girls sitted around the room. The girls were priced in three categories, 450, 550, and 650. If you call ahead and make a reservation, the room charge (168RMB) is waived. PM me if you need the name and phone number of the reservation manager. I chose a 450 girl from Guangxi. The room was big and nice. Mirrors are positioned at perfect angles around the room. There is a soapie mattress where you lie down for a thorough cleaning. The room even have a little stage with a dancing pole for the girl to give you a strip tease performance. Service was excellent, very attentive and never felt rushed, 100%GFE. It even includes a free lunch/dinner before or after the fun. A great bargain for the price.
I had a bit of time to travel around Chang An on this trip and it appears that a number of new hotels/saunas/ktvs have sprung up around town. This is a great alternative to Chang Ping as it is a different play in this fun little town. More to follow.
BSDThanks BSD. Always enjoy your informative posts. Just started traveling to the Chang An area on a monthly basis and stay at the Parkview Hotel. KTV and Sauna in basement are nice but always looking for other entertainment. Can you share the phone number and managers name at Hawaii Sauna?
Thanks
CC,
A voice from the past! Great to see you back.
OAH
Hi OAH,
I have been around.. just been lurking..
CC
SEAJoe,
You seem to have all the luck! As my friend once said, just before you leave CP, there's always a great session that makes you want to NOT leave CP and stay! I suppose this is one of those sessions.
I can never find myself a squirter, I think that's my next conquest. Here's also another thing too...most girls don't allow you to use the vibrator...how do you get them to agree to it? Most girls just get grouchy and tell you to stop. I suppose it really depends on the girl, if she's really a rookie, then i suppose that she doesn't even know what's going on and is more compliant.
Great Job young man! As I've said before...you gotta thank those China Guys that use and abuse these girls so that they make us seem like saints in comparison.
P.S.- I give you great applause in being able to spread the girl's legs wide, put a vibrator on her clit and also take a picture of everything all at the same time. talk about being multi-talented.
AsnDragon
Went on my regular visit to Chang Ping, spent some time with one of my regulars, had a KTV session, went to a sauna once but was still not quite satisfied that I’d done all that I should have been doing during my 2 nights/3 days there. Something just didn’t feel complete this visit.
So when a couple buddies asked me to take them on a BBS chicken run the afternoon I was due to leave, I readily agreed. I first took them to the Jun Hui KTV/BBS – and was totally appalled as there were less than 10 gals there… 4pm in the afternoon!! Incredible – since as you know, regular times they’d have minimum 40-50 gals always hanging around. And the quality of the selection was TERRIBLE!!
Was going to go to the Yalan area but was waylaid by the-pain-in-the-ass mummy who promised that she had a few good ones. OK, no harm I guess – and we went to Baby’s shop where we saw approximately 20 gals… none really outstanding. Until mommy pointed out her new gal Ko MY who had the biggest and most welcoming smile I’d seen in a long time.
Oh Wow – not that bad I guess, acceptable I guess! So I told mommy I’ll take her but will only pay RMB 170 – 70 to her and 100 to Ko My – which of course she agrees to as I’ve made such a deal with her lots of time before on weekdays even though the regular rate there is actually RMB 200. Luckily my 2 buddies also managed to scrounge up a couple to their liking and off to the races we went.
Found out that she’s only on her second day at work; having just broken up with her boyfriend (Leech!) she had quit her DJ’ing stint at a Houjie KTV and just took on the first job that she managed to get at CP – without having to pay deposits etc as she had no money. Lucky me!! She actually asked me to teach her what to do!!
A few pictures, a bit of a strip show I instructed her to do, a surprisingly nice shower session when she actually cleaned me up very nicely (Hmmm.. where did she learn THAT?!) and it’s on to the bed. Now, her body is a bit on the slim side – even for me who likes ‘em slim – but she was ever so pliant and eager to learn/please, that I couldn’t help but have a raging hard-on even before she took off her clothes. Ahhh…. Sex… It’s all in the mind!!
According to her, she’d NEVER done a BJ before – and I think I DO believe her as she was really terrible at it….but a fast learner though… and after some coaching/teaching, she actually was doing a pretty good job of it. I decided then to sort of “reward” her – and NOOOO, I wasn’t gonna go down on a BBS gal. NO way!! Instead I took out a couple of my little bullet vibrators (compliments of Slower Better!) and started working on her.
And it her like a lightning bolt!! Didn’t even understand at first what was happening to her – but she WAS really getting all turned on. First I just lightly brushed her clits and its surround, increasing the pressure as I proceeded, and then taking another little bullet and sticking it straight into her. She was practically crying and asking me to “STOP!! I’m gonna wet your bed!”
WHAT???/ Not only had I gotten a fresh one, I also got me a Squirter!! Hallelujah – there IS a God after all!! STOP? You gotta be kidding?! All I did was grab a towel and stuck it underneath her and quickened my ministrations of her privates! And shuuuure enuff – a gusher!! Perverted?? You betcha …. And totally enjoyable!!
Let her rest up a bit after that (she was practically half dead) and then proceeded to teach her all the positions I know in screwing – but I think I’ll just leave this out – as it’s not anything special/pretty well S.O.P. teaching.
She wanted to hang around but I needed to get back to Hong Kong – so I just went ahead and paid her RMB 160 – 100 what her usual fee would have been, 30 as my regular tip to BBS gals – and the 30 I wrangled from Mommy. I LOOOOVE messing with these mommies – and I figure that 70 to the mommy and 160 to the gal doing ALL the heavy lifting is a much more fair cut! Just my own idiosyncrasy I guess
I’ll post up a couple pixs in the photo gallery
SEAJ
What's the deal with CP having such low stock of girls these days? It's only the middle of January, and Spring Festival is not until the middle of February. In past experiences, this is usually during the busy times, where girls come to the BBS and or KTV to work for a while to earn some extra cash so that when they go home to their village they can give some red envelope money to their parents, sisters and worthless brothers.
I'm wondering why CP's having such low supply of girls. Anybody know?
AsnDragon
Dan Hawaii
01-19-10, 06:39
Went to EuroAsia KTV, went at 6:20 and already had a bunch of guys there. Damn, I'm late, I said to myself. Oh well, I found a cute one, so I picked her. And tried to find a second, going between the 2 floors where the girls are hanging out. Was not having any luck , but after awhile, I found a hotie. I was all happy. Then to find out later that she was on her rags, I was so sad. No wonder she never got chosen, haha. It was my fault, made a rookie mistake of not noticing the different placement of the badge (lower, by the waist means "no go"). Oh well, I just kept her anyway.
Back at the ktv room, we started to get line-ups, I was surely shopping since one of my girls was a no go. And the first one was only "okay" looking. I finally found one, that had a look that I liked and sat her. Her attitude sucked, but I took her home anyways. Another rookie mistake. Just because she looked like a girl from highschool that I liked. ;) I know, thinking with my little head. Her attitude was like, she knew everything and was just young and dumb. Anyways, took her home and I made her cry like a little baby. Had to put her in her place. :) Oh well, was a fun ktv with friends, I got really drunk so I knew I had a great time.
EuroAsia must have 3 or more tiers of girls. Because the little girl I had was only 2-5-8 and the other 2 girls were both 3-6-9. And there are also models, which I'm unsure of the price, maybe 4-8-12???
Dan Hawaii
01-19-10, 09:46
Went to find the squirter Joe was talking about. Found her, I think, but everything fit, Right BBS, under the right mommy, and Joe sent me her number and I asked if this was her number and she said "yes". Thanks Joe. She was fun, nice and really had great service with her. Either she is a fast learner or Joe is an awesome teacher, can anyone say "See Foo Joe"? :)
Well, all in all I had a great time with her, but no squirting. Either, I was not getting her rocks off, (which I highly doubt) or you guys out there dried her out:) , damn you guys!!!
Went to Penn ktv to meet up with BSDave them, meet my old buddy JimTRAVELER, never seen him for 2 years. Talent here was pretty good. There was so many, that it was hard to choose. And that's a good dilemma. Sat 3 girls, 1 model (3-8-12 kind of expensive), and 2 regulars (2-5-8). One of the regulars spoke some English, so I chose her. She was not very pretty, but had a great attitude. The other regular girl was hot, I like her look, but her attitude sucked. The model girl, was kind of a mixed signal, did not really click with her too much, but she looked so European, like a real European model (words from Bruce Tea Mike Myers). We kicked the model out, because she said she had to use her phone throughout the night. We managed to kick her out for free, even though she sat more than 20 minutes. She actually left freely and said "Bye" to us.
The other regular girl with attitude wanted to leave early, but I had to punish her and made her stay the whole night. Hahaha. What a Biatch. She left mad, so, I felt better. Hahah.
Took the English speaking girl home and she was good. No complaints, but not spectacular. She just does not have the look that I like.
Seems like I'm having a hard time with finding a really good ktv girl this trip. I'm not sure why, well, I only got to choose my own girl 2 times out of the 4 times I went ktv-ing.
Heading to Lihao ktv tonight. Hopefully I'll have better luck this time.
Dan Hawaii
01-19-10, 09:51
What's the deal with CP having such low stock of girls these days? It's only the middle of January, and Spring Festival is not until the middle of February. In past experiences, this is usually during the busy times, where girls come to the BBS and or KTV to work for a while to earn some extra cash so that when they go home to their village they can give some red envelope money to their parents, sisters and worthless brothers.
I'm wondering why CP's having such low supply of girls. Anybody know?
AsnDragon
There's a lot of girls still in CP. I have not seen too much quantity differences. Just not too many ISG/friends that want to go ktv-ing. So the party is getting smaller and smaller. Only Bruce, Dave and I for Lihao ktv tonight. My friend is on the fence, so hopefully he goes too.
What's the deal with CP having such low stock of girls these days? It's only the middle of January, and Spring Festival is not until the middle of February. In past experiences, this is usually during the busy times, where girls come to the BBS and or KTV to work for a while to earn some extra cash so that when they go home to their village they can give some red envelope money to their parents, sisters and worthless brothers.
I'm wondering why CP's having such low supply of girls. Anybody know?
AsnDragonThe girls in Guangdong are either working in a factory (or another company), or working in KTVs / Saunas / BBS. Those working in a factory are limited on the day they can get free and start their jurney home. Usually this will happen 1-2 weeks before Chinese New Year.
When the mojority of girls are allowed to start their trip, the transportation cost doubles. This is the Chinese way to regulate the traveling during that busy time. About 1 week before the holiday you cannot get ANY tickets to any train or bus, unless you're really someone special.
Due to all of that, the girls who are more "free" to leave whenever they like, do not want to wait until the prices go up and the massive croud starts moving. They prefer to lose 2 weeks of work and not to get crached on the train. Those girls get their payment on daily basis and do not have to get permission from anybody if they choose to quit.
Add to that the sad story of 2 years ago, where due to bad weather the busses and trains were stopped. Nobody wants to take the risk again, so they prefer to leave earlier.
This time is REALLY bad for having fun with the girls. Very soon only the 5 star hotels will have a few girls left (those who choose not to go home this year). There will always be some girls at the BBS, who cannot pass the medical check requested at the hotels.
UN LE70
Big Swingin Dave
01-20-10, 04:51
LiHao KTV is located behind the Swan Lake Shopping Center and across the street from XinDi Disco Club. Was there when it first opened 3 months ago and has not been back since as simply there are too many venues in CP to go to for KTV parties but at the request of Dan Hawaii we went there last night and was not disappointed. The room decor and the sound system superb and the quantity/quality of girls were a pleasant surprise. Most importantly the attitude of the girls were great, we had an awesome time. The only problem is that it is a bit more expensive than most places as they will only apply the discount to the amount above the minimum room charge where most places will apply the discount to the entire bill.
Overall impression that it is a worthwhile place to check out for everyone coming to town and are tire of the usual hangouts.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
01-20-10, 05:05
Thanks BSD. Always enjoy your informative posts. Just started traveling to the Chang An area on a monthly basis and stay at the Parkview Hotel. KTV and Sauna in basement are nice but always looking for other entertainment. Can you share the phone number and managers name at Hawaii Sauna?
Thanks
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Un Le70,
I know certain hotels require medical check up on girls. SanGem in Tangxia is one of them, and Prince hotel as well. But I always thought that medical check ups were more for Saunas instead of KTVs.
Just curious, with your comments about girls working in BBS who cannot pass medical check ups...do imply that BBS girls are less "clean" per say?
Sometimes, I doubt the authenticity of the medical check ups in the first place. SanGem, use to, not sure if they still do, have sauna girls who do routine medical tests every day to insure that that do not have any sexually transmitted disease, and therefore you are allowed to do them bareback for an additional fee. I find this practice to be ridiculous and cruel. Ridiculous as in many sexually transmitted diseases take some time to detect after sexual intercourse, so the tests are inaccurate. Cruel because this lack of authenticity in the end harms both the girl and customer as there is a false sense of safety, for those "medical" check ups are inaccurate.
I didn't know that KTV girls had to go through the same routine. But chances are in China, the KTV managers will just turn a blind eye to a girl who has some sort of disease if she is popular amongst customers.
I'll take your advice...wait until after chinese new year and wait for the stock of girls to replenish.
AsnDragon
The girls in Guangdong are either working in a factory (or another company), or working in KTVs / Saunas / BBS. Those working in a factory are limited on the day they can get free and start their jurney home. Usually this will happen 1-2 weeks before Chinese New Year.
When the mojority of girls are allowed to start their trip, the transportation cost doubles. This is the Chinese way to regulate the traveling during that busy time. About 1 week before the holiday you cannot get ANY tickets to any train or bus, unless you're really someone special.
Due to all of that, the girls who are more "free" to leave whenever they like, do not want to wait until the prices go up and the massive croud starts moving. They prefer to lose 2 weeks of work and not to get crached on the train. Those girls get their payment on daily basis and do not have to get permission from anybody if they choose to quit.
Add to that the sad story of 2 years ago, where due to bad weather the busses and trains were stopped. Nobody wants to take the risk again, so they prefer to leave earlier.
This time is REALLY bad for having fun with the girls. Very soon only the 5 star hotels will have a few girls left (those who choose not to go home this year). There will always be some girls at the BBS, who cannot pass the medical check requested at the hotels.
UN LE70
SE Asia Joe
01-20-10, 16:26
Un Le70,
I know certain hotels require medical check up on girls. SanGem in Tangxia is one of them, and Prince hotel as well. But I always thought that medical check ups were more for Saunas instead of KTVs.
Just curious, with your comments about girls working in BBS who cannot pass medical check ups...do imply that BBS girls are less "clean" per say?
Sometimes, I doubt the authenticity of the medical check ups in the first place. SanGem, use to, not sure if they still do, have sauna girls who do routine medical tests every day to insure that that do not have any sexually transmitted disease, and therefore you are allowed to do them bareback for an additional fee. I find this practice to be ridiculous and cruel. Ridiculous as in many sexually transmitted diseases take some time to detect after sexual intercourse, so the tests are inaccurate. Cruel because this lack of authenticity in the end harms both the girl and customer as there is a false sense of safety, for those "medical" check ups are inaccurate.
I didn't know that KTV girls had to go through the same routine. But chances are in China, the KTV managers will just turn a blind eye to a girl who has some sort of disease if she is popular amongst customers.
I'll take your advice...wait until after chinese new year and wait for the stock of girls to replenish.
AsnDragon
REALLY???
I never heard about medical checks for VD - but don't mean it don't exist I guess.
The only case of medical check up I've heard of is for Hepatitis A and b instead - and I do know that some gals could not pass that test and is thus working at a BBS.
But if a VD test is actually being required - could it not instead be taken by the powers-that-be as being proof positive that the KTV and sauna is offering actual sex services - instead of the acceptably respectable activities like accompanying guys to drink, play games etc in KTV's and "real" massages
in a sauna?
I would think that these venues would not take this risk? No?
SEAJ
Jettsetter
01-21-10, 00:25
REALLY???
I never heard about medical checks for VD - but don't mean it don't exist I guess.
The only case of medical check up I've heard of is for Hepatitis A and b instead - and I do know that some gals could not pass that test and is thus working at a BBS.
But if a VD test is actually being required - could it not instead be taken by the powers-that-be as being proof positive that the KTV and sauna is offering actual sex services - instead of the acceptably respectable activities like accompanying guys to drink, play games etc in KTV's and "real" massages
in a sauna?
I would think that these venues would not take this risk? No?
SEAJ
Well, SEAJ, as you well know, it's easy to do one thing as a pretext for another... so they can say generally they want all their employees to get physicals and just happen to terminate those who have "positive" findings in the VD dept?
I know that if I wanted to keep a good reputation, I would certainly make it a requirement,but then again, I don't understand HALF the things the Chinese do and the manner in which they do them... so I am not going to try to make sense of any of it.
I will play and have fun... that's all I can do!!
Seeing how things are in CP, I don't see the benefit of doing these check ups. As i see it, There are tons of new hotels that are working hard to attract girls into their KTVs or Saunas so that they can take a bigger piece of the pie in CP alone.
For example, EuroAsia is working to expand their pool of girls. new hotels are being built, near that fruit market and abandoned mammoth of a building near the train station etc...I just see that there are so many hotels in CP, all the management teams of each hotel are trying to attract more girls to their hotel so they can stay competitive. I don't see how it would work to their advantage to screen girls for these types of diseases. Right now hotels are vigorously trying to recruit more girls and talent, hence the whole debacle of New century and Mayflower. I mean I don't see any mamasn or managers coming in advertising that their girls are disease free and clean. I don't see that to be a competitive advantage at all since most mongers know that when they get into this hobby, there are apparent risks that should be observed regardless.
On another note, I noticed that there are so many new hotels being built in CP. Sure...there's always been hotels being built in CP throughout the years, but recently these past 5 years or so, there just massive amounts of hotels being built all over. Just within the last 5 years there...Clipper, manhattan, Jiayi, Mayflower, Haixia, Zhixing, Euroasia and many other smaller to medium sized hotels. I'm wondering if the demand justifies all of this supply. Talk about overcapacity and huge investment in Assets...that CP is experiencing deflation in hotel prices and Real estate prices. If it were 2007, yes...I can understand all of this massive expansion, but after that bubble burst, all i see is deflation in hotel prices...and to exacerbate the situation further there is an excess and increase in supply-which in turn prices should technically keep going down. I guess it's good for mongers and consumers, but how do the hotels sustain their profitability is beyond my comprehension. Are there that many more mongers than 2007? In my opinion, there's less mongers than before. How are these hotels going to stay alive?
AsnDragon
REALLY???
I never heard about medical checks for VD - but don't mean it don't exist I guess.
The only case of medical check up I've heard of is for Hepatitis A and b instead - and I do know that some gals could not pass that test and is thus working at a BBS.
But if a VD test is actually being required - could it not instead be taken by the powers-that-be as being proof positive that the KTV and sauna is offering actual sex services - instead of the acceptably respectable activities like accompanying guys to drink, play games etc in KTV's and "real" massages
in a sauna?
I would think that these venues would not take this risk? No?
SEAJ
Un Le70,
I know certain hotels require medical check up on girls. SanGem in Tangxia is one of them, and Prince hotel as well. But I always thought that medical check ups were more for Saunas instead of KTVs.
Just curious, with your comments about girls working in BBS who cannot pass medical check ups. Do imply that BBS girls are less "clean" per say?
Sometimes, I doubt the authenticity of the medical check ups in the first place. SanGem, use to, not sure if they still do, have sauna girls who do routine medical tests every day to insure that that do not have any sexually transmitted disease, and therefore you are allowed to do them bareback for an additional fee. I find this practice to be ridiculous and cruel. Ridiculous as in many sexually transmitted diseases take some time to detect after sexual intercourse, so the tests are inaccurate. Cruel because this lack of authenticity in the end harms both the girl and customer as there is a false sense of safety, for those "medical" check ups are inaccurate.
I didn't know that KTV girls had to go through the same routine. But chances are in China, the KTV managers will just turn a blind eye to a girl who has some sort of disease if she is popular amongst customers.
I'll take your advice. Wait until after Chinese new year and wait for the stock of girls to replenish.
AsnDragonOK, perhaps my previous note was missing some details so it made the guys wonder. Here is the more accurate information:
The girls working in Hotel KTVs (these are KTVs inside hotels, and other KTVs which are sometimes defined as "hotel" in their business registration) are required to pass an annual health check. This includes ALL the hotel personnel. I have first-hand information about this, as I was dating a receptionist from HuiMei hotel and she had to go through it every year. In addition, my best Chinese friend is a KTV owner in Chang'An (just KTV, not inside a hotel) and they follow the same rules.
The test itself is not for STD. It includes HIV, Hepatitis, and some other tests.
It's clear that in China (like in China) every rule is no more than a hint on what should be done. The actual practice depends on the interaction between the customer & supplier (the hotel owner & the police). But my first-hand experience is that they really do it.
It is clear that working in KTV pays more than working in a BBS. The reasons for a girl to work in BBS instead of KTV are as follows (random order):
1. She cannot pass the above listed medical check (is HIV positive, has Hepatitis, or one of the other conditions being checked).
2. She doesn't have an ID (either she lost it, or was never registered as her family has more than 1 child and didn't pay the required sum).
3. She cannot (or doesn't want to) drink alcohol, which is mandatory in KTV.
4. She looks VERY bad and was not accepted by any KTV (very un-common).
5. Working in KTV requires some down-payment to the KTV for working there. In addition the girls must book a certain number of rooms per month (for their customers) or they need to pay a fine. If a girl doesn't believe in her capability to catch many customers, or doesn't have the initial money to pay, she will prefer going to a BBS instead.
Hope I gave more information this time.
UN LE70
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Meiguoguizi
01-21-10, 15:02
On another note, I noticed that there are so many new hotels being built in CP. Sure. There's always been hotels being built in CP throughout the years, but recently these past 5 years or so, there just massive amounts of hotels being built all over. Just within the last 5 years there. Clipper, manhattan, Jiayi, Mayflower, Haixia, Zhixing, Euroasia and many other smaller to medium sized hotels. I'm wondering if the demand justifies all of this supply. Talk about overcapacity and huge investment in Assets. That CP is experiencing deflation in hotel prices and Real estate prices. If it were 2007, yes. I can understand all of this massive expansion, but after that bubble burst, all I see is deflation in hotel prices. And to exacerbate the situation further there is an excess and increase in supply-which in turn prices should technically keep going down. I guess it's good for mongers and consumers, but how do the hotels sustain their profitability is beyond my comprehension. Are there that many more mongers than 2007? In my opinion, there's less mongers than before. How are these hotels going to stay alive?
AsnDragonI've observed, and worked for, Chinese 5 star hotels that were obviously losing money for many years, often because of a local glut of hotelrooms. Sanya and Dalian, and Beijing post-Olympics, currently have an oversupply of rooms.
Hotels often have as many as 3 partners: an owner, a manager, and a franchiC. Depending on the contract, one can be making money when the hotel is empty.
Also remember that owning a hotel (or KTV or Sauna) is often a 'side business' for a company. It is a vehicle for 'rewarding' their clients and partners. Sending some investors to CP or Hainan to stay for a week in your company's hotel is good business.
I'm not familiar with Chinese tax laws, but losing money is not always a bad thing.
I'm reminded of staggering into an empty bar in Long Island years ago with some friends (in those days all my friends looked like off duty police officers) and jokingly commenting, "What are you doing in this dump? Cleaning money for the mob? " The bartender grimaced, walked out the front door and never came back. We made our own drinks for the rest of the night.
BambooSnake
01-21-10, 16:48
Hey guys,
I will be in CP monday night any one available to hook up help a visitor find his way around.
Thanks
Big Swingin Dave
01-22-10, 03:51
Hey guys,
I will be in CP monday night any one available to hook up help a visitor find his way around.
Thanks
Please purchase a subscription to ISG and I can PM you my info.
BSD
Anybody knows where is this nice-looking place (for sure, it's in CP), and I guess it's very famous between members.
Thanks!
Dan Hawaii
01-22-10, 09:32
LiHao KTV is located behind the Swan Lake Shopping Center and across the street from XinDi Disco Club. Was there when it first opened 3 months ago and has not been back since as simply there are too many venues in CP to go to for KTV parties but at the request of Dan Hawaii we went there last night and was not disappointed. The room decor and the sound system superb and the quantity/quality of girls were a pleasant surprise. Most importantly the attitude of the girls were great, we had an awesome time. The only problem is that it is a bit more expensive than most places as they will only apply the discount to the amount above the minimum room charge where most places will apply the discount to the entire bill.
Overall impression that it is a worthwhile place to check out for everyone coming to town and are tire of the usual hangouts.
BSD
Yup, this place is fun. I sat 3 girls again. I should stop doing this, 2 is enough. Anyways, found a girl I was looking for that I had in Sept. She was wild as usual. She dances so sexy and she has a nice ass, really full and voluptuous. The two girls were cute and playful. It was just Bruce, BSDave and I, but we really had a great time there. All our girls had great fun attitudes. And had a point where we were all dancing and having a blast. My wild dancing girl got on the table and I got a hard on ;)
The manager was cool too, he gave us 18 free beers, which we drank every last drop. At one point we were playing bullshit dice and it was like a real party with good friends.
Dan Hawaii
01-22-10, 09:34
I will be in CP Saturday. Anyone want to meetup, please call one five 9 one seven 1 8 two eight five and 3. I am here two weeks. I met dan h two years ago but lost contact, would like to party again.
Who are you? Your PM is not working.
Dan Hawaii
01-22-10, 09:45
Went to Fu Hao KTV again. I think it's our 3rd time there this trip. But it was good fun. I finally got to pick my own girls there!!! I sat 3 girls again, I know I should stop doing that, but it's hard.
It was a bigger party, had around 5 guys. Was nice to see FreePeaks again, never saw "turn off the cold" for a long time. :) His manadarin is awesome now. Anyways, he sat 3 girls too. One was a nice looking slender hottie that liked to dirty dance with me. We must have been dirty dancing for 30 minutes. I was groping, she was groping, she got the moves, damn, I wanted to uhmm... never mind.;) Thanks "turn off the Cold", for picking her and letting me have fun with her.
Was a good fun ktv session. Always got cool and friendly girls there. I don't know what it is, but some ktvs seem to have fun and cool girls, while others may have some attitude. I really think it has a lot to do with management and the mommies. Lihao and Fuhao girls seem to always be fun and enjoyable. Anyone else want to chime in on this???
Going to EuroAsia KTV tonight. The last time I went there, I didn't really pick good girls. They just were not happy to be there. I hope my luck will change.
Chang Ping
01-22-10, 10:49
Was a good fun ktv session. Always got cool and friendly girls there. I don't know what it is, but some ktvs seem to have fun and cool girls, while others may have some attitude. I really think it has a lot to do with management and the mommies. Lihao and Fuhao girls seem to always be fun and enjoyable. Anyone else want to chime in on this???
Going to EuroAsia KTV tonight. The last time I went there, I didn't really pick good girls. They just were not happy to be there. I hope my luck will change.Chiming in, seems to be my experience too.
Robin Mill
01-22-10, 11:12
I concur! Fuhao is great! I had my most fun for KTV there in CP. Was partying with a lot of bros, you included Dan. I remembered Dave and I pick a gal for you, and she was on top of you (You know where.) the whole night!
We got one real sexy dancer, who has a 'cannot strip' tag. In the end, she still strip and had a wild time with all of us.
I have not being to Lihao. Dave, please bring me there next time round!
Went to Fu Hao KTV again. I think it's our 3rd time there this trip. But it was good fun. I finally got to pick my own girls there!!! I sat 3 girls again, I know I should stop doing that, but it's hard.
It was a bigger party, had around 5 guys. Was nice to see FreePeaks again, never saw "turn off the cold" for a long time. :) His manadarin is awesome now. Anyways, he sat 3 girls too. One was a nice looking slender hottie that liked to dirty dance with me. We must have been dirty dancing for 30 minutes. I was groping, she was groping, she got the moves, damn, I wanted to uhmm... never mind.;) Thanks "turn off the Cold", for picking her and letting me have fun with her.
Was a good fun ktv session. Always got cool and friendly girls there. I don't know what it is, but some ktvs seem to have fun and cool girls, while others may have some attitude. I really think it has a lot to do with management and the mommies. Lihao and Fuhao girls seem to always be fun and enjoyable. Anyone else want to chime in on this???
Going to EuroAsia KTV tonight. The last time I went there, I didn't really pick good girls. They just were not happy to be there. I hope my luck will change.
Big Swingin Dave
01-22-10, 19:42
The Lion KTV is located at the other end of Zhong Yuen Lu (opposite end from the Miraton) next to the Chang Ping Shopping Center/PP KTV. This place is old and is in the process of being upgraded. The cool thing about this place is that they have a catwalk to showcase all the WGs prior to them being shown in a line-up inside the KTV rooms. All the WGs are 2-5-8. Unfortunately, only 1 out of 5 girls had a decent attitude all night, the rest was just plain old boring. The best part of the evening was that we had an awesome KJ servicing our room which definitely is a keeper for future parties there. The place needs a major overall, we will give it another try after CNY and report back to see if anything has changed; otherwise, it is not a recommended place to party at this time.
BSD
Come on dan h, this is james. I am in CP, please call me. I would like to party with you guys at Fuhao.
Fourgotten
01-23-10, 08:48
I just got back from a 5 week stay in Chang Ping. Time permitting I'm hoping to get a few reports on the board in the coming days. Having ISG blocked in China sure is a pain in the neck. By the way facebook and youtube are also blocked there. You can use free web proxys such as ninja cloak (http://www.Ninjacloak.com/) to access these websites, but some of the features won't work.
Back to the subject at hand: Chang Ping. This was my first time in ChangPing, and I had a great time there, but it was definitely different than I expected.
To give you some context I'm white and I speak intermediate mandarin. There are some foreigners in CP, but from what I could tell not very many. Being a foreigner will certainly affect your mongering.
Some of the girls were hesitant to deal with me. When faced with me here is what I came to imagine was going through their head: "This lao wai may have a large dick, if I'm involved with him it may be painful and I will perhaps loose my ability to make money during the next couple days".
Unlike in western culture where big dicks are preferred, I quickly learned that in China being well endowed is a very bad thing, at least as far as working girls are concerned. For the record I'm near the average endowment for a white male, and pain complaints from the girls were prevelant. Joe was knowledgeable on this subject and mentioned that some of the girls may be suffering from a medical condition that makes it more painful for them (forgot what it was called).
Another of the wise ISG guys there shared with me the viewpoint that if properly aroused a girl is capable of enjoying just about any size. I completely agree with that, however based on that starting mental state of some of the girls arousal is exteremly difficult. And on the other hand some of the girls are aroused easily and really get into it, those are my favorite, it's a mixed bag.
Again, I digress.
Many thanks to Dave (BigSwinginDave) for helping me out and being a great friend. I learned a lot from him during my time there, not to mention the fact the he introduced me to the other guys from the board which I learned even more from. Going to CP and not contacting Dave would be a mistake imo.
You're the man Dave!
Also I'd like to note something that occured to me during this trip, and that is that learning and understanding Chinese culture is far more difficult than learning the Chinese language.
I'll follow this up with a services overview.
Fourgotten
01-23-10, 08:59
A quick rundown of my take on the types of service available in CP.
BBS(200): A room with many girls sitting around waiting for a guy to come and pick them. When you walk in the mamasans are usually very pushy. They'll grab a girl, hook her arm into yours, tell you this girl gives a great BJ, and show your her breast. Meanwhile the girl looks embarrased and shy. At this point I usually say 我要自己看 (wo yao zi ji kan (I want to look for myself)). In my experience the BBS were like gambling. A lot of the girls here have endured mental trauma and it's nearly impossible to get them to have fun. And some of the girls here are great. Totally random what you get.
Sauna(500-600+): Be sure to book a room at the sauna in advance to save money. When you go there you pick a girl from the line up. Standard service usually involves table shower, sometimes a striptease/dance, BJ, rimming, and FS. I enjoyed getting multiple views of the action from the many mirrors in the room, especially the ceiling mirror. Sauna girls are usually not available for take out, doing so requires special negotiations. In this situation there is almost no opportunity to chat the girl up, so she is typically not very engaged in the situation and just going through the motions. Regardless, service here is a cut above the BBS. They're good at going through the motions, and they know what motions to go through.
KTV(2-5-8 or 3-6-9+): This is the prime rib of the mongering scene here. The girls are plentiful and beautiful, and are more mentally "available" to have fun. In other words you are much less likely to get a dead fish here. The problem with the KTV? I don't like drinking, and my chinese character reading isn't good enough to sing most of the songs. The other problem was I wasn't very good at picking girls that I liked. Jim Traveler, however, was very good at picking girls that I liked, lol. My best experiences were had by taking the KTV girls out of the KTV. They often appreciated the break from drinking and singing. I suppose I should also mention that most of the KTV girls I picked did a poor job in terms of accompanying me, and left to their own devices would sit there quietly all night. This was disappointing seeing as you're paying them to be fun. It was usually up to me to get them engaged in the situation, which I did a mediocre job of at best.
SW/Catacombs: I chose to abstain from both of these activities. From my observations these girls were the most likely to have mental trauma. For SW there is also a concern of potential crime (theft ect). Also for the record the conditions of the catacombs are not good at all, but they're not nearly as bad as I imagined based on reading the forum.
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Chiming in, seems to be my experience too.
Ditto.
But one thing to remember is to get there EARLY. Once the hotties are gone, you're stuck with the leftover-girls mostly who have Red tags (cannot go out, cannot strip) or girls who won't be taken even if the mommies paid you. Sometimes there are girls new to FuHao, so they don't have the uniforms yet.
Went there 3 times the last week and a half and pretty much ALL the girls are taken by 8 pm. By 9, there will be none left. Flower street starts at 6:30 pm so if you snooze, you lose.
By the way, you can pick the "models" but you'll have to tell the mommy. But (she) they still stay on the stairs for show until a certain time, then they go to the room where the person who selected her is at. We (actually Dave) selected one for pretty-boy Dan Hawaii and she was wild and fun as heck.
It also helps to roam around the hallways as you'll find girls going to change or visiting friends in other rooms. Out there, you can get their phone numbers or find out if they're gonna go out with their guy. Who knows, you may get someone hot who'll end up being your honey for the night.
Dan Hawaii
01-24-10, 04:20
By the way, you can pick the "models" but you'll have to tell the mommy. But (she) they still stay on the stairs for show until a certain time, then they go to the room where the person who selected her is at. We (actually Dave) selected one for pretty-boy Dan Hawaii and she was wild and fun as heck.
It also helps to roam around the hallways as you'll find girls going to change or visiting friends in other rooms. Out there, you can get their phone numbers or find out if they're gonna go out with their guy. Who knows, you may get someone hot who'll end up being your honey for the night.
Yo Bruce, glad to know you got back home nice and safe. Went to Lihao KTV last night, one of your favorites. Was alright, not as fun as the other times we went, because you wasn't there and I brought sand to the beach. Damn it. Actually everyone brought sand to the beach Jim Traveller and "turn off the cold" FreePeaks. Oh well, nothing great to report on that. Just an average ktv experience.
Dan Hawaii
01-24-10, 04:45
euroasia ktv, went there at 6:15, and that seems to be too late, already had guys there and the line up started already. damn, gotta go at 6pm next time. anyways, picked one hot cute girl. i was wondering why no one picked her. her tag was up so she could go out. so i was estatic. i took her to the ktv room, she was only 2-5-8 also. but thats when the trouble started, she said she's on her rags. i was like wtf? she explained that her dress was too big so she used the pin to hold her clothes together. and she said she was saying it to me in the line up, but i did not understand. oh well, giving her the benefit of the doubt, i let her stay anyways, cause she had the look i really liked. really hot and cute combination. so my friend suggested i go look for another one, since it was still kind of early. so we went out hunting again. my friend found one tall and slender lady, but i really did not like her look too much. but she had a nice eager smile that i thought, oh what the hell, it's late and slim picking already; she's the best out of the bunch. kind of neglected her throughout most of the night, but she was keeping herself entertained with other people and was always looking after me, giving me napkins, filling my glass, and smiling at me. i was like, wow, this girl really likes me. hahaha, yeah yeah, i know, don't say it, she only likes my mao. but wow, she could of fooled me. anyways, getting back to the cute hottie, she said she could go upstairs for st, because her rags was coming soon. i was not really in the mood at that time, so i started to negotiate with her with freepeak's translator, thanks "turn off the cold". anyways, she wanted more than 1000 rmb for overnight, or something. not really sure, but i told her 950 rmb. and this is a 2-5-8 girl. anyways, long story short, she thought she was all that, and she could [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the money off of me, but i shut that damn translator off and paid her the 200 to leave. i'm not sure if she was telling the truth, but i just felt she was lying. just too many things,
1. her tag was in the wrong place,
2. she first said her rags were almost finished,
3. then she said it was coming and st is okay, but need to go now during the ktv session.
she just needed to be somewhere that night. fuck that biatch. i should of made her stay till the end, but i just did not want to look at her and be reminded of what a liar she is.
oh well, went back to the average looking girl, she was still welcoming after i negelcted her the whole evening. wow, she had the best attitude i have ever experienced for any girl in cp. and it never stopped, even at the hotel. really cool girl, so i kept her for another night.
Dan Hawaii
01-24-10, 05:03
Yo dudes, I think I'm getting my days mixed up, can not be 6th day, cause I have been here for 8 days, LOL. Oh well.
Heard Santa and OAH was back in town, so they had an ISG Miraton dim sum lunch. I couldn't make it, cause my friends was leaving town, and I planned on moving hotels closer to Daves hang out. (My ktv girl was helping me pack and carried out my luggage for me, what a nice one.) But meet everyone for the chicken run (BBS run). Had like 7 of us. I still had my cool Euroasia ktv girl, so I told her to go home and change while we go on the chicken run. So she did. Was nice to see Santa and OAH again. Had actually more white dudes than asian dudes, was a sight to see, every mommy hugging santa. I guess he always packing gifts;) cause they all love him.
I was not planning on partaking, because I had my ktv girl coming back. But damn, there was this cute looking girl that had the look I liked at Jo Jo's shop. So couldn't resist. Took her to go eat with Jim Traveller, cause I was starving. After, headed back to the hotel and guess who was in the lobby waiting for me. The ktv girl. I was like damn, WTF am I going to do? I was just smiling and laughing. So all 3 of us going up the elevator, no one flinching, I was just smiling and trying to introduce everyone. Hahaha. It was pretty funny. So we all sitting on the bed, I'm thinking WTF to do....... Let's call Dave. Yeah, got Dave on the phone, he said kick the ktv girl out to go shopping and tell her come back in one hour. OOOh Dave is good. So gave the ktv 100 rmb to go shopping and she went happily. Did the bbs girl and she was happy. KTV girl came back and she was as cool as ever. No hint of being mad or sad. Just so kind and GFE just like nothing happened. I was like, WOW, what a pro.
Bottom line, the ktv girl had the best attitude ever, so much GFE or was just a real pro. If she had the look that I liked, she would be a keeper for the rest of my stay. I mean, she was good fun, great taking care of me, always kind and happy. It was awesome, but she just did not have that look to die for. Oh well, was so happy to have meet her, she really put back the faith I have in CP girls.
Dan Hawaii
01-24-10, 05:14
Come on dan h, this is james. I am in CP, please call me. I would like to party with you guys at Fuhao.
You need to buy the ISG subscription and Private Message BS Dave, he is the planner dude.
OldAsiaHand
01-24-10, 07:54
It was great to hook-up with esteemed members of this forum in CP yesterday. I enjoyed being there on Santa's first day back to see the reaction from the mamas on the chicken run. It was very entertaining and I egged them on a bit for good measure. Long Live the Emperor! I tried to recommend a little spinner in JoJo's shop (Can we still call it that since JoJo has been gone for over a year?) but she ran away in fear. I am waiting to see if he can conquer this one in the future.
I was not planning to partake on this trip. I just returned from Japan and a freebie that screwed me until my xiao didi was sore. I could not resist this innocent looking little thing in one of the shops. "Gong Chang Mei" (factory girl), the mama said, "First day on the job". She would not even look me in the eyes and winced when the mama tried to show me the "Pink Color". I never believe a word of what the mamas say, but BSD was convinced so off we went.
In the room, she kept telling me that she really did not want to do this but she needed money to go home for CNY. She was too shy to take a shower together and climbed under the covers with the towel on. It was a really long process to get things going. She had no idea how to give a BJ and at first just took my didi in her mouth and did not move her head at all. Teaching her was fun.
I can't say the service was good or she was really that hot but she fulfilled a fantasy of mine.
Just my POV.
OAH
Neo The One
01-24-10, 07:56
Hi guys,
I will be in CP from 12th Feb (Friday) to 20th Feb (Saturday).
Will be staying in Miraton
Hope to meet up with likeminded people to have good time together.
For drinks/KTV and sauna.
Thanks
Just recently back in the states from a slightly over 2 weeks trip to China or better yet CP AND SZ. I gave up trying to post from China itself and am just now getting around to it. Its been about 8 months since I was last there. My first observation is that there's less BBS girls and much less mongers in CP overall. But you'll be able to find what you want. The Lucky Hotel is really looking run down now but I always start CP from there. Probably will try the Hwa Yu hotel next time with there 130 deal (can use HK dollars also); however, a fellow isg member did mentioned he got a knock at the door one 9am morning from hotel staff with police officers following due to a supposed robbery of some resident on his floor; oh well.
The old Swan Lake BBS/ktv has moved; now located across from the Manhattan serviced apts. Again less girls but if you go later 8pm or so they will be in see thru outfits so you'll know what you're getting. Had a great time one night with Bruce Tea, Dan Hawaii and his friends, I think Pig fat? and of course the entertainment director of CP BS Dave at the Fu Hao ktv. Very few providers at the night market but at least its still there and I ended up taking only one at 130 rmb. I was offered more than once 170 by a Yalan mommie (only took her up one time, of course this is after she offered that price to SE Asian Joe) located in the same shop with michelle (first floor location most near Swan Lake different girls from michelle).
I did see alot of large breasted girls at the Seibu alleys in SZ and end up taking one who reminded me of Hitomi Tanaka (almost identical body); still 150. I really like to eat at a cantonese restaurant in the pink apts area so I can look at the girls, mommies are still there pestering but I didn't take any at 100 rmb. Now the mommies on the streets near the Shangri La are taking a much lower profile and the number of providers overall are at extreme low levels. A few girls over here are a bit reluctant to go back to one's hotel and I did have a mommie give a girl her ID card to let her know its safe to follow me. I still say its still well worth coming back to. I do recommend new mongers to South China to develop contacts prior to arriving
Dan Hawaii
01-25-10, 02:35
Went to the Walter Sauna at around 2pm with BSD, and 2 other dudes. Slim pickings as we were too early. Oh well, other 2 guys picked girls, as for me, I did not partake because I was not hungry.
Called Santa and went to the BBS instead. We were just shopping around for fun. Went to all the shops in Yalan, except Swan Lake. I'm not sure why, but numbers are low in many shops. However, Jo Jo's and Baby's shop had decent quantities. I saw no one of interest, but asked for the girl I had the day before. The mommy said okay and said she was on the way. So I told her I was going to come back for her, cause there were more shops to see. 15 minutes passed and we were coming out of the Yalan KTV BBS, we hear the mommy calling us with the requested girl in tow. So I paid the mommy, on the street, kind of scary to do that, but hey, whatever. Went back to hotel and did the deed.
Long story short, I wanted her for LT because she has that look that I like and it was supposedly date night, but she said she couldn't. Then she calls me 2 hours later, we negotiate a price for LT, she says okay. She meets me for dinner with Jim Traveller, she then says she needs to leave for 2 more hours and then come back, I know its from BF or client. I say no and she gets a call from BF or client (Again) and she talks to him in front of Jim. Jim confirms its BF/client. She then leaves the table to talk on cell phone, beacause she realizes Jim understands what she is saying. I tell Jim to kick her out, I was kind of mad already. She then says she will be going and left. It was already 10pm by then. I was kind of tired and decided to take it easy for the night.
Bottom line is... BBS girls are dwindling in numbers. There was a prediction that BBS-es would be sifted out of CP, the lower cost/type of mongering; I guess it may be coming true. It would be sad if this becomes reality. KTV and sauna girls are still high in numbers and thriving.
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