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Sukhumvitter
01-26-10, 02:09
bottom line is... bbs girls are dwindling in nmbers. there was a prediction that bbs-es would be sifted out of cp, the lower cost/type of mongering; i guess it may be coming true. it would be sad if this becomes reality. ktv and sauna girls are still high in numbers and thriving.

i think bbs shops are eventually going away. the chinese accepted style of mongering seems to be ktv and sauna. these have been around forever and will likely stay around for a very long time. they are easier to control (a few large venues rather than dozens of small venues), cater to affluent clientele (including the people in power), and they have a "front" (singing or therapeutic massage) that allows face-saving for both patrons and the gov't.

that said, it remains to be seen if they continue to allow non-chinese (ethnically, not nationality) inside. china may go the way japan and not let any non-chinese in the establishments.

that would be truly sad, but not unexpected.

Bob Builder
01-26-10, 04:25
i think bbs shops are eventually going away. the chinese accepted style of mongering seems to be ktv and sauna. these have been around forever and will likely stay around for a very long time. they are easier to control (a few large venues rather than dozens of small venues), cater to affluent clientele (including the people in power), and they have a "front" (singing or therapeutic massage) that allows face-saving for both patrons and the gov't.

that said, it remains to be seen if they continue to allow non-chinese (ethnically, not nationality) inside. china may go the way japan and not let any non-chinese in the establishments.

that would be truly sad, but not unexpected.

the bbss are going to be there long after you and dan are both long gone. bbss have been around forever as well. and any male, chinese or otherwise is not too concerned with saving face when they are walking the streets with a gal half their age in tow. all people know what services you get at entertainment establishments, no matter what the sign says above the door. do you really think that people are that nieve that they really think that guys spend 2 hours and hundred of dollars travelling to cp to sit at a ktv and sing with other guys? are there any gay ktvs there for those of that inclination?

Weelock
01-26-10, 05:11
The BBSs are going to be there long after you and Dan are both long gone. BBSs have been around forever as well ?

I certainly hope so. On the other hand, if you compare to just 5 to 9 years ago, there are many places (BBSs, KTVs ) around Southern China that are gone or a shadow of itself now.

Many areas in Guangzhou, Shenzhen Donguan,Forshan and Qingyuan are gone.

Bnlee2
01-26-10, 05:41
I certainly hope so. On the other hand, ifi you compared to just 5 to 9 years ago, there are many places (BBSs, KTVs) around Southern China that are gone or a shadow of itself now.

Many areas in Guangzhou, Shenzhen Donguan, Forshan and Qingyuan are gone.Weeklock

You are so correct. I remember the days in Sha Tsui, the hoards of gals crisscrossing the village. Ahh. Low prices, gals fresh off the farm, the selection. Yeah it is a shadow of yesteryear.

Bob Builder
01-26-10, 12:03
I certainly hope so. On the other hand, if you compare to just 5 to 9 years ago, there are many places (BBSs, KTVs ) around Southern China that are gone or a shadow of itself now.

Many areas in Guangzhou, Shenzhen Donguan,Forshan and Qingyuan are gone.

Sure. But as mentioned many times before when one place closes somewhere else opens up. When I used to go to CP on business, many years ago it was never as popular as it is now. If anything it was a dump and the gals were low quality. You would only stay at the Red Lion hotel and the main KTV was across the street and that was the limit of the action. At the same time Tai Ping had streets crowded with gals and KTVs had 100s of gals waiting to be picked dancing on the main dance floor. Now Tai Ping is quieter but there are other areas that have expanded their entertainment business. CA and Dai Liang used to be a just a cluster of shops on the side of a main road.

Weelock
01-26-10, 23:40
Sure. But as mentioned many times before when one place closes somewhere else opens up. When I used to go to CP on business, many years ago it was never as popular as it is now. If anything it was a dump and the gals were low quality. You would only stay at the Red Lion hotel and the main KTV was across the street and that was the limit of the action. At the same time Tai Ping had streets crowded with gals and KTVs had 100s of gals waiting to be picked dancing on the main dance floor. Now Tai Ping is quieter but there are other areas that have expanded their entertainment business. CA and Dai Liang used to be a just a cluster of shops on the side of a main road.

If they moved to some place else, can you tell me where 3000 plus girls move to from Hainan Island ? Also for Sha Tsui, SZ, it had over 3000 plus girls.

There are other areas that are dead too.

Bob Builder
01-27-10, 00:58
If they moved to some place else, can you tell me where 3000 plus girls move to from Hainan Island ? Also for Sha Tsui, SZ, it had over 3000 plus girls.

There are other areas that are dead too.

They didn't disappear off the face of the earth or all suddenly get jobs in restaurants and factories so they went to other areas. And they all don't end up in the same place. Sa Wan ended up with a lot of gals that worked in Sa Zui. The demise of Sa Zui was a boom to Sa Wan to the point where the sitting fee went up from 100 - 150 - 200 in less than a year as the mongers moved there as well. I have also come across Sa Zui gals in Seibu. And to say there were 3000 gals there is an exaggeration.

Robin Mill
01-27-10, 03:35
They didn't disappear off the face of the earth or all suddenly get jobs in restaurants and factories so they went to other areas. And they all don't end up in the same place. Sa Wan ended up with a lot of gals that worked in Sa Zui. The demise of Sa Zui was a boom to Sa Wan to the point where the sitting fee went up from 100. 150. 200 in less than a year as the mongers moved there as well. I have also come across Sa Zui gals in Seibu. And to say there were 3000 gals there is an exaggeration.Wow. This is really eye opening. The history of the movment of WL across China. This could be an interesting wikipedia article, deserving a few pages! Please share more on your views!

I agreed with the concept of, if one place close, another will pop up. It will not be as big as before, but it will be in a few years. When it is big enough, there will be market factors, or LE cramping it down. Another place will pop up, and take over. I believe CP now is nearing the top tip of the curve, with the opening of so many new hotels and KTV. Let's hope it will not make an exit too soon.

Bob Builder
01-27-10, 08:29
Wow. This is really eye opening. The history of the movment of WL across China. This could be an interesting wikipedia article, deserving a few pages! Please share more on your views!

I agreed with the concept of, if one place close, another will pop up. It will not be as big as before, but it will be in a few years. When it is big enough, there will be market factors, or LE cramping it down. Another place will pop up, and take over. I believe CP now is nearing the top tip of the curve, with the opening of so many new hotels and KTV. Let's hope it will not make an exit too soon.

Went back to their hometowns and got married and are bringing up the next generations of WGs. So in 16+ years or so (it has been at least 2 years since the demise of Sa Zui as it was) ago if you are still here and mongering, you might do someone's daughter you did in Sa Zui and you might also have to check her DNA because those who like to BB, you might be doing one of your own?

Bob Builder
01-27-10, 08:38
If they moved to some place else, can you tell me where 3000 plus girls move to from Hainan Island ? Also for Sha Tsui, SZ, it had over 3000 plus girls.

There are other areas that are dead too.

What is 3000 girls to the population of of China which is 1.x billion? If you were at the Lo Wu train station last year at Chinese New Year, at least that many left "every day" on a train or bus back to Sichaun, Wunan, etc.

Bob Builder
01-27-10, 08:45
Wow. This is really eye opening. The history of the movment of WL across China. This could be an interesting wikipedia article, deserving a few pages! Please share more on your views!

I agreed with the concept of, if one place close, another will pop up. It will not be as big as before, but it will be in a few years. When it is big enough, there will be market factors, or LE cramping it down. Another place will pop up, and take over. I believe CP now is nearing the top tip of the curve, with the opening of so many new hotels and KTV. Let's hope it will not make an exit too soon.

It should be an ISG article, not Wiki....! I know a gal who I first had at Seibu 3 years ago and have kept track of from another gal who keeps in touch with her, went from CP KTV, Zhuhai KTV, Macau Hotel, back to Seibu and is back in her home village. And very tired, LOL. You can be the new girl off the bus anywhere in the matter of 2 hours!

Big Swingin Dave
01-27-10, 10:26
In addition to the usual Sauna, BBS, and KTV establishments, there are also Dirty Footie and Oil Massage establishments around CP. Most famous is Jindili across the street from the train station and as I have discovered, there are many more smaller places around town that offer the same services.

Tian Tian Mu Zu (天天沐足) is next to the Tesco (Le Gou 乐购)Shopping Center, I had an oil mssage there for 118RMB 100 minutes which includes a nice reverse (face-down) balls massage and a happy ending. The massage was actually very nice, the place is a little bit run down and it does not have a shower room. I had #81 very good attitude and very skilled hands.

Hao Ting Hotel (豪庭酒店) is across the street from Sanyuan hotel on the same side as the New Century hotel. This place is famous for their Royal Foot Massage (Di Huang Mu Zu - 帝皇沐足), 78RMB for 100 minutes. They have a regular foot massage for 38RMB for 80 minutes. The fun part was telling the masseus you only want the regular footie and watching them persuading you to do the Di Huang massage. I had #68, tall Sichuan girl with nice B cups, yes touching is allowed. Great fun, great attitude.

Both place is worth a try instead of doing the same old sauna and BBS routines every day.

BSD

Fourgotten
01-27-10, 11:06
My first KTV experience was Mayflower. Picking girls here was a lot of fun. There was a large main hall type room that was filled with a couple hundred girls which had an organized chaos type feel to it.

For my first girl I picked a beautifully skinny girl, just the way I like 'em. She had a nice smile and I got a good vibe from her. I deliberated for a while on the second girl and ended up going with an attractive model class girl.

The model did an excellent job of pretending she wasn't there all night long, but I didn't really care because the first girl was a lot of fun. As it turned out she had studied dance before, and she showed off some of her moves at the end of the night.

She continued to be a lot of fun when I took her back to my place as well. I was concerned about her discomfort so I gave her an extra long warm up period, which she seemed to enjoy, and therefore I enjoyed. Before long she hit a breaking point, she suddenly and skillfully removed my boxers with her toes, and we were down to business.

Multiple positions and a lot of vocalizations, a good time was had by all. Unfortunately I think I wore her out, because in the morning she was too tired for another round.

It's too bad she was adverse to any sort of photography, I'd like to be able to share, she was beautiful. In retrospect I should have repeated before I left CP.

It was the standard KTV 8 for LT.

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Meiguoguizi
01-27-10, 13:28
It should be an ISG article, not Wiki....! I know a gal who I first had at Seibu 3 years ago and have kept track of from another gal who keeps in touch with her, went from CP KTV, Zhuhai KTV, Macau Hotel, back to Seibu and is back in her home village. And very tired, LOL. You can be the new girl off the bus anywhere in the matter of 2 hours!

Additionally, individual girls may move "up the ladder" from BBS to Sauna to KTV as opportunity presents itself. The primary consideration, of course, is money. The secondary consideration is a location that will minimize the likelihood of bumping into someone from their hometown.
The primary career qualifications are beauty and youth. Unfortunately, as experience increases, so does their age. Chinese mongers seem not as tolerant as lao wai for 'seasoned' professionals in their late 20's. Japanese are notorious for their post-pubescent tastes.
I have several long-term 'friends' in the business who are now 24,25,or 26 years old. Their litany is how bad business is. In reality, they are being chosen less and less because of their age.

Bob Builder
01-27-10, 14:59
Additionally, individual girls may move "up the ladder" from BBS to Sauna to KTV as opportunity presents itself. The primary consideration, of course, is money. The secondary consideration is a location that will minimize the likelihood of bumping into someone from their hometown.
The primary career qualifications are beauty and youth. Unfortunately, as experience increases, so does their age. Chinese mongers seem not as tolerant as lao wai for 'seasoned' professionals in their late 20's. Japanese are notorious for their post-pubescent tastes.
I have several long-term 'friends' in the business who are now 24,25,or 26 years old. Their litany is how bad business is. In reality, they are being chosen less and less because of their age.


The "ladder" theory is a common misconception. You assume that a gal makes more money that way but its not so as there are other considerations.
Just a few:
1 BBS, there are less rules, you can come and go as you please and if you are hot or a good fucker(not necessarily a good looking one), you can make more than in a KTV. Some gals don't mind getting done 10x a day as long as they make money and I have seen guys finish in less than 15 minutes including the time it takes to walk up to the aparment and have 2 showers.
2 KTVs have lots of rules which you get fined for, many require a sizable deposit to let you start work there and you are limited to number of customers you can do. Some gals will not work there for the simple reason they can't handle the daily drinking.
3 Saunas also have rules, you have a trainee period where you have to work for free and licking someone's arsehole is not natural to anyone but a dog, LOL. Saunas, if anything are usually where older gals end up. The exception to the rule are the FS saunas in Dongguan where there are hotties to be had.

Wapec
01-27-10, 17:31
Respectfully, I disagree having been on the receiving end of a hottie's tongue lashing.

JMPOV & each to his own.


..... and licking someone's arsehole is not natural to anyone but a dog, LOL.....

Wapec
01-27-10, 17:41
DH, dude this story rings a familiar tone with me. More power to ya ! Wapecy


Went to the Walter Sauna at around 2pm with BSD, and 2 other dudes. Slim pickings as we were too early. Oh well, other 2 guys picked girls, as for me, I did not partake because I was not hungry.

Called Santa and went to the BBS instead. We were just shopping around for fun. Went to all the shops in Yalan, except Swan Lake. I'm not sure why, but numbers are low in many shops. However, Jo Jo's and Baby's shop had decent quantities. I saw no one of interest, but asked for the girl I had the day before. The mommy said okay and said she was on the way. So I told her I was going to come back for her, cause there were more shops to see. 15 minutes passed and we were coming out of the Yalan KTV BBS, we hear the mommy calling us with the requested girl in tow. So I paid the mommy, on the street, kind of scary to do that, but hey, whatever. Went back to hotel and did the deed.

Long story short, I wanted her for LT because she has that look that I like and it was supposedly date night, but she said she couldn't. Then she calls me 2 hours later, we negotiate a price for LT, she says okay. She meets me for dinner with Jim Traveller, she then says she needs to leave for 2 more hours and then come back, I know its from BF or client. I say no and she gets a call from BF or client (Again) and she talks to him in front of Jim. Jim confirms its BF/client. She then leaves the table to talk on cell phone, beacause she realizes Jim understands what she is saying. I tell Jim to kick her out, I was kind of mad already. She then says she will be going and left. It was already 10pm by then. I was kind of tired and decided to take it easy for the night.

Bottom line is... BBS girls are dwindling in numbers. There was a prediction that BBS-es would be sifted out of CP, the lower cost/type of mongering; I guess it may be coming true. It would be sad if this becomes reality. KTV and sauna girls are still high in numbers and thriving.

BruceTea
01-28-10, 04:18
Staying in CP for more than 4 days, I often go to get a footie during the day. Brunch/lunch, then off to the footies, after 2 or 3 hours, go to the BBSs or SNs, then cap it off with a KTV fun. Good times.

Some interesting footies:

Pozolim (Across from Miraton). This is perhaps the most recognized footie place in CP. Veggie, so no hanky-panky (but no one said anything about after work, which Racetrack and others have confirmed). Kinda more expensive, but you get some good service and some good deals if you go at the right time. We went at 12:30. The hostess took us to our room we reserved (always call ahead cause they fill up quickly). My friend used English to make fun of the way she walked, saying she walked like a duck and giggled like a fool, so by the time we got to the room, she was all cold and somewhat rude. The room was newly renovated, so had that new paint smell. We requested another room. Got to a larger room and got our masseuses. They were ok cute. We ordered our complimentary drink and fruit. Since we went during lunchtime, we ordered lunch which was COMPLIMENTARY! Yea!! But it took a bit longer to arrive. Lots of choices from rice to noodles to sandwiches. The massage was great. Girls were friendly and chatty. And yes, they speak "some" English. Finished 2 hours, paid less than 100 rmb each and left very satisfied. Pozolim also has full body massage and all kinds of massage. The masseuses we saw were cute and aged 20-28. And again, it's not a hanky-panky place, so don't expect any HJ or groping in the room. But the girls are fun and some English is understood (which is because a lot of English speaking Asians come here). So make fun of the workers here at your own discretion.

PP hotel/Foot massage
On the 4th floor of PP hotel. Near Lion Hotel and Lucky Hotel. On the first floor is a shopping floor. We went up and they are renovating a whole floor. The hostess took us through a maze of hotel rooms to a section where the rooms have footie chairs. 3 chairs in the room, a regular TV, and a bathroom (with leaks and water on the floor). A dump we thought. We sat down and got our complimentary drink and fruit. Two not so pretty and chubby girls came in and started. First they filled up hot water (from the bathroom, lol) into a plastic, red water basin (the one where Chinese people wash their ass or laundry in)...Weird sh!t. We were laughing the entire time. This place was "recommended" by someone who's white and knows PP quite well (you know who YOU are...). Anyhow, aside from soaking our feet in a water basin (did I mention it was a small sized basin?) without salt or medicine, we got our regular foot massage. It was quite good! Quite ok for the price we paid. For 2 hours, it was less than 70 rmb. #56 and #22 are cute in their own way and fun to chat with.

Lion Hotel Footie.
5th floor, I believe. Place was old and run down, but the hostess took us to the room and asked us if we wanted a regular masseuse or a better looking masseuse (for something like 5 rmb difference). We requested a better looking masseuse and after a wait, three not so better looking masseuses came in. The place was full and masseuses were in demand hour after hour. Lots of tour groups come here for a cheap footie. Again, call ahead and reserve your room AND your masseuse. They have a movie channel which was cool. We watched like 3 movies there, Billy Madison, The Brothers Grimm and one HK movie about ghosts. No hanky-panky and a ok massage. Total was like 80 rmb for 2 hours.

Qian Zu Foot Massage.
There are two branches in CP. I went to the one across the street from Lion Hotel. This is perhaps one of the best looking massage places I've been to in CP. Quite famous and professional, the rooms are nice, the seats are comfy, and the service is very good. The pretty girls are hit or miss since they have so many masseuses. I went with guys who've been going there for years and they know a few who's pretty and have good attitudes. The footie was great and I have to say this can become one of my favorites. Paid 90 or so rmb for 2 hours.

Footies are pretty damn fun. If you get a pretty one, lucky you! But in any case, a massage is a massage even done by an ugly girl (which is pretty rare). A few hanky-panky footies were reported by BSD, so if that's your cup of tea, then you've got options. Otherwise, veggie ones are just as good if not better for muscle relaxation.

OldAsiaHand
01-28-10, 04:32
Bottom line is... BBS girls are dwindling in numbers. There was a prediction that BBS-es would be sifted out of CP, the lower cost/type of mongering; I guess it may be coming true. It would be sad if this becomes reality. KTV and sauna girls are still high in numbers and thriving.

The numbers are dwindling because the girls are making an early exit to their hometown for CNY. Others may have left CP for home during the recent crackdowns and decided not to come back until after CNY. Either way, I expect the numbers to go back up to normal levels after the holiday. As BB says, there is a never ending stockpile of BBS girls in the countryside that are keen to migrate to greener pastures. When they see their friends coming back from DG bearing gifts for the family, these new recruits will be on the same bus/train back with them

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa
01-28-10, 04:44
Wapec, any gal that would lick your fat arse must be a desperate mongrel mutt!

Panyu
01-28-10, 07:15
Staying in CP for more than 4 days, I often go to get a footie during the day. Brunch/lunch, then off to the footies, after 2 or 3 hours, go to the BBSs or SNs, then cap it off with a KTV fun. Good times.

Qian Zu Foot Massage.

There are two branches in CP. I went to the one across the street from Lion Hotel. This is perhaps one of the best looking massage places I've been to in CP. Quite famous and professional, the rooms are nice, the seats are comfy, and the service is very good. The pretty girls are hit or miss since they have so many masseuses. I went with guys who've been going there for years and they know a few who's pretty and have good attitudes. The footie was great and I have to say this can become one of my favorites. Paid 90 or so rmb for 2 hours.

Footies are pretty damn fun. If you get a pretty one, lucky you! But in any case, a massage is a massage even done by an ugly girl (which is pretty rare). A few hanky-panky footies were reported by BSD, so if that's your cup of tea, then you've got options. Otherwise, veggie ones are just as good if not better for muscle relaxation.Thanks for the report on the footies. I have only party several times in CP, so not too familiar with the area. I usually party in Panyu and normally start my day by going to the legit footies. Never had a chance to try the footies in CP. Where is Qian Zu located? Is it near the Miraton?

Weelock
01-28-10, 07:40
Wapec, any gal that would lick your fat arse must be a desperate mongrel mutt!

Funny, lucky both of you two know each other.

Bob Builder
01-28-10, 07:49
The numbers are dwindling because the girls are making an early exit to their hometown for CNY. Others may have left CP for home during the recent crackdowns and decided not to come back until after CNY. Either way, I expect the numbers to go back up to normal levels after the holiday. As BB says, there is a never ending stockpile of BBS girls in the countryside that are keen to migrate to greener pastures. When they see their friends coming back from DG bearing gifts for the family, these new recruits will be on the same bus/train back with them

Just my POV.

OAH

Someone sees a few less gals around and predicts the end of p4p in some part of Dongguan and it hasn't happened yet. But if you around long enough like around 10 years the predictions will come true.

Gals also like to move around as then whereever they end up they can be marketed as fresh, whereas if you spend all your time in the same place and a gal is exceptional, chances are you would not pick her again or she finds a benefactor.

Sex Lover
01-28-10, 11:24
After the Sauna, sit down chit chat with the manager, Ah Jun ( 阿&#20891. He was really nice, when 1 out of 5 of us taking the service only. Have a bowl of noddles and half boil eggs. We left the sauna around 9.30pm and headed back to Diying Hotel ( 帝盈酒店 ) with the KTV東方魅力 just next door.

I am so tired, and all my friends were energized. I went back to hotel for a rest and 4 of them proceed to the KTV東方魅力 1st. We booked the room before going to the sauna. It was late when we arrived at the KTV東方魅力, most girls have been taken. The leftover who were chosen by my friends were not bad either. ( Imagine if we can come early and what kind of girls would that be). I joined them around 10.30pm, the manager, 程龙 show me 1st batch of girls, all declined with the first look. ( At that time, I know I should lower my standard of girls since we were late and I was tired after the sauna.) The 1st batch were terrible. I told the manager, 程龙 the girls were terrible and he didn’t hard sales to me, from the look he were like he must make customer happy so he went out, minutes later he brought me one young girls with natural beauty. There I took her, her name are Wang Fei ( yap , same as the hk singer). She looks sweet, energetic, beauty, not much of make-up ,young, most of all looks like my ex-colleague.

Ok, now let me try me best to describe the KTV room we were in.

It was new, clean, modern, 2 big screen (1 in front and 1 by the side), comfort couch, bar, toilet, great sound system, touch screen songs selection.

During the time in KTV, there were always some entertainment from the manager, 程龙. Eg, some dance group of 4 came in for some great modern dance, adult games like (I have forgotten the sequences)

1) Squeeze breasts.

1st you have to squeeze your gal/gals breast, then you will be blindfold and test squeezing all the gals breast and try identify your gal/gals. If guest wrong the first time then you will drink 1 full glass of beer. If guest 2nd time wrong, you will have to drink from the crotch of your gal/gals. In this game, you will get to squeeze all the breast. WOW.

2) Strip dance
Well this is easy. All strip, including the guys. All of us were fucking naked in the room. One of my friend was given a bj from his gal. Wow, what a scene to remember. And one of my friend were totally naked and all his cloth and underwear were hide away, he has to go look for it for some time being naked. haha.

3) Dance group of 4 , this was brought in by the manager程龙 to give us some entertainment.

4) Singing on the speaker/woofer with my gal.

5) Bra off time. Manager程龙 ask all gals to take their bra off. WOW , wild time again for all of us to run around to grab others breast. Hehe…

6) As usual the dice game.

We have fun the whole nite without any quite moment. All the time there were something on in the room. I can claimed it was the best KTV session I have had in whole life visiting KTV in Malaysia.

I think we all left around 3am. Take my girl back to the room, well due to my tireness. I was unable to do anything with my gal that nite.

Well at least I did it in the morning. Haha. For those who have not been to CA , I recommend you should try at least once for you to able to tell the different. All the girls in the room that nite, were great, they have great attitude to please the customers , never say no to anything you can request. That’s the best.

And further add on for the Diying Hotel ( 帝盈酒&#24215, the service provided from all the staffs were great, easily beaten any 5 or even 6 star hotels that I have stayed in. All with the smile and nice service level up till we enter the van and driving away.

Now we will travel to CP.

To be continue

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Santa
01-28-10, 19:34
Wapec, any gal that would lick your fat arse must be a desperate mongrel mutt!

Of course, I'm only joking here about my friend Wapec and so on. And calling somebody a dog or mutt is an insult, especially in China.

It must be very difficult for these sauna girls to learn to lick arseholes and accept that as normal behavior. Do they ever learn to think of it as "normal" behavior? Can they learn to do it without feelings of shame? Can any girl learn to do it and think it is fun?

Then again, microbiologists say that the dirtiest part of the body is the mouth, and yet most of us accept kissing as normal and think it is fun. Most chinese girls wisely avoid kissing.

I think most girls initially don't want to give blowjobs and yet many eventually learn to accept it as ok. Some of them seem to be very happy to show off their skills.

But there is such a stigma against the arsehole, so how can they ever learn to think that is ok? Being a sauna girl must be very difficult.

And how about us going down on a girls snatch? Some of us do it all the time, some of us will only do it with certain girls, and some us would never do it.

BruceTea
01-29-10, 05:16
Then again, microbiologists say that the dirtiest part of the body is the mouth, and yet most of us accept kissing as normal and think it is fun. Most chinese girls wisely avoid kissing.

And how about us going down on a girls snatch? Some of us do it all the time, some of us will only do it with certain girls, and some us would never do it.

I thought the anus was the dirtiest part (with most harmful bacteria) and the mouth was the cleanest (with the most powerful bacteria)? haha, I guess I wasn't listening in 5th grade biology...

There's also the cultural thinking of kissing and licking the snatch which a lot of guys in Mainland China do not do as part of foreplay to get a girl wet. As a result, many are shy to those acts and even consider them perverse (brought in by the West or the decadent other Asian countries). I find it hard to get a fresh-off-the-farm girl to kiss, BJ, or let me go down on. Even the vets of the trade do them with hesitation while asserting that only a very few guys request those.

So I don't really consider them to be standard service. I take them when I can, but not really put my expectations on having those services (aside from SN girls).

But I do KTVs more than Saunas or BBSs. And to my amazement, PigFat and one or two select studs somehow get their girls to french them an hour after meeting in a KTV room. Peck to the cheek or the lips is to me just for show, but these guys are able to lock lips for all to see. In fact, I have not seen one time they have NOT tongue wrestled with a new girl in every KTV party. That's skills.

As for going down a girl's snatch, DATY, or whatever younglings call it these days, I may only do it for a few minutes to get the juices flowing. Most girls are not wet even with foreplay, so a bit of stimulation may be warranted. But if it's inviting, then there'll be an exception. I become less a fan of this with stories of girls not really knowing how to take care of that region with proper wash.

And I agree that being a SN is a tough job. The money is there, but the things she's gotta do takes a lot of training and practice. Just don't expect SN service from BBS, KTV, or freebie girls.

BruceTea
01-29-10, 05:31
Where is Qian Zu located? Is it near the Miraton?


Qian Zu Foot Massage is about 3 blocks from the Miraton. Not too far to need a cab, but not as close as Pozolim or a Starbucks.

Go down 中元街 (Zhong Yuan Jie) and you will see Virgin and HuiMei. Keep going down and you will see Lucky Hotel. Keep going and you will see Lion Hotel which forks to the left and right.

At that fork, Qian Zu Footie is in front. Look around. If you take a right, you will find KFC and the Pedestrian shopping area (great for daytime shopping). To the left, you have more restaurants and some shopping. Lots of families in this area during the day.

Qian Zu closes at 2 am.

Sound7
01-29-10, 05:40
Kissing arousal: repeated cycles of increased co2 in the mouth resulting in sexual arousal.

Yes the infection is an issue that requires seperate evaluation.


I thought the anus was the dirtiest part (with most harmful bacteria) and the mouth was the cleanest (with the most powerful bacteria)? haha, I guess I wasn't listening in 5th grade biology...

There's also the cultural thinking of kissing and licking the snatch which a lot of guys in Mainland China do not do as part of foreplay to get a girl wet. As a result, many are shy to those acts and even consider them perverse (brought in by the West or the decadent other Asian countries). I find it hard to get a fresh-off-the-farm girl to kiss, BJ, or let me go down on. Even the vets of the trade do them with hesitation while asserting that only a very few guys request those.

So I don't really consider them to be standard service. I take them when I can, but not really put my expectations on having those services (aside from SN girls).

But I do KTVs more than Saunas or BBSs. And to my amazement, PigFat and one or two select studs somehow get their girls to french them an hour after meeting in a KTV room. Peck to the cheek or the lips is to me just for show, but these guys are able to lock lips for all to see. In fact, I have not seen one time they have NOT tongue wrestled with a new girl in every KTV party. That's skills.

As for going down a girl's snatch, DATY, or whatever younglings call it these days, I may only do it for a few minutes to get the juices flowing. Most girls are not wet even with foreplay, so a bit of stimulation may be warranted. But if it's inviting, then there'll be an exception. I become less a fan of this with stories of girls not really knowing how to take care of that region with proper wash.

And I agree that being a SN is a tough job. The money is there, but the things she's gotta do takes a lot of training and practice. Just don't expect SN service from BBS, KTV, or freebie girls.

Old Mean Dog
01-29-10, 05:52
I think BBS shops are eventually going away. The Chinese accepted style of mongering seems to be KTV and Sauna.

I also agree with you and have been saying that for awhile. Granted, maybe some of the BBS's will remain, but they will be in towns not easily accessible and/or in areas that aren't in the public eye, like they were in SZ.

-OMD

Bob Builder
01-29-10, 06:08
I also agree with you and have been saying that for awhile. Granted, maybe some of the BBS's will remain, but they will be in towns not easily accessible and/or in areas that aren't in the public eye, like they were in SZ.

-OMD

Sounds like you are both talking bollocks to me. BBS just fit a different sector of the market and as some here are drastically limited in their exposure by language and navigation skills these off the cuff comments are pure nonsense. Just like some here like the fun of a KTV, there are others that are after pure raw sex as many times and as cheaply as possible and there is nowhere better than a BBS to get that. RMB150 - RMB200 wham bam delivered to you door.

Panyu
01-29-10, 06:29
Qian Zu closes at 2 am.Thanks, I appreciate the response. Looking forward to checking it out next time I am in the area. Since I have only been in CP on two different ocassions (each for about 3-4 nights), I had always found that there were nothing to do in the daytime due to the fact me and my buddies are not too familiar with the area.

Our party area is usually Panyu, but prices has increased quite a bit. Used to be 2,?, 10 MOD 3-?.13. Last time there, it was 3-?.12, MOD 4-?.15. My buddies and I normally don't do the one shots, therefore I don't really know what the pricing is. CP prices are much better and seems more consistent through the years. I will diff have to get to know the CP area better.

Old Mean Dog
01-29-10, 07:56
Sounds like you are both talking bollocks to me. BBS just fit a different sector of the market and as some here are drastically limited in their exposure by language and navigation skills these off the cuff comments are pure nonsense. Just like some here like the fun of a KTV, there are others that are after pure raw sex as many times and as cheaply as possible and there is nowhere better than a BBS to get that. RMB150 - RMB200 wham bam delivered to you door.

You are entitled to your own opinion, as am I. No need to start an argument about it Bobby Boy.

-OMD

Bob Builder
01-29-10, 11:00
You are entitled to your own opinion, as am I. No need to start an argument about it Bobby Boy.

-OMD

Sure but when someone says "The Chinese accepted way of mongering seems to be KTVs and Saunas". Where does he get stuff like that from? Aren't the BBS shops full of gals and Chinese (Hong Kongers and locals alike) patronizing them? Making opinions like that are uninformed or at worst misleading.

CP has lots of BBS shops. Is that an inaccessible out of the way place?

I was suprised about Di Liang town having a upscale (expensive) KTV from reports here as I always considered that a backwater that for many years had nothing but a single dive of a sauna where you went for a HE.

Adult entertainment is everywhere and being accessible is where you know where to find it and if you drive. There are literally hundreds of pockets of KTV and Saunas throughout Southern China where there may be 100's of gals. They may not have been discovered by you yet.

Old Mean Dog
01-29-10, 15:14
Sure but when someone says "The Chinese accepted way of mongering seems to be KTVs and Saunas". Where does he get stuff like that from? Aren't the BBS shops full of gals and Chinese (Hong Kongers and locals alike) patronizing them? Making opinions like that are uninformed or at worst misleading.

CP has lots of BBS shops. Is that an inaccessible out of the way place?

I was suprised about Di Liang town having a upscale (expensive) KTV from reports here as I always considered that a backwater that for many years had nothing but a single dive of a sauna where you went for a HE.

Adult entertainment is everywhere and being accessible is where you know where to find it and if you drive. There are literally hundreds of pockets of KTV and Saunas throughout Southern China where there may be 100's of gals. They may not have been discovered by you yet.

You are far more of a seasoned veteran than I am, but let's stop and look back at the 4 years I was there. When I first arrived in SZ:

1. Walking across the street from the train station, I was swarmed by mamasans offering all kinds of pussy at a very inflated price. GONE

2. Walking around the Hilton, Sunshine, the other hotel next to it or in front of Seibu, you were approached by numerous freelancers and some touts. GONE

3. The pink apartments behind the Shangri-La hotel used to be a backup spot for some ass. It's not gone, but it is only a shadow of what it used to be.

4. Sha Tsui was the Disneyland for sex. GONE (Some say it's making a mild comeback, but that's just wishful thinking).

5. Seibu area used to be a second rate area to above, but after the shutdown, become #1. Now it's raided on a regular basis and some shops are just closed now.

6. The area behind the JUSCO in Futian used to have a fair amount of pussy for sale back in the day. GONE

7. The area across the street from King Glory Plaza had a few stables. GONE

8. Shops on main street in Shekou. GONE (Chicken bars still down by the ferry).

Correct me if I am wrong on any of those, but from my eyes, the mongering in SZ has gotten worse, not the same and certainly not better. CP, though still maintaining BBS's, is still not as good as it used to be. CP wants a new face and in MY opinion, BBS's will not be a part of it. Of course, there will still be BBS's, but further away from the main areas of town. Hell, I know a few shops in SZ, but who the heck wants to go into some dumpy old village to find a gal for some ass? These shops are for the locals and to be honest the quality and quantity wasn't even good.

You even say it's become more difficult "Adult entertainment is everywhere and being accessible is where you know where to find it and if you drive." Yeah and you can find hookers in the USA, if you don't mind driving into the worst parts of town.

So I really don't see why you are getting all upset, it's obvious it's not the same as what it was back in the day. BTW: He said "seems" so he is no more of an authority on it than you or I, but he is making a comment based on his experiences and unless you are a high ranking official in the communist party and/or a member of the city planning department for SZ or CP, your comment is just that, a comment.


Have a Good Weekend!

-OMD

Bob Builder
01-29-10, 19:26
You are far more of a seasoned veteran than I am, but let's stop and look back at the 4 years I was there. When I first arrived in SZ:

1. Walking across the street from the train station, I was swarmed by mamasans offering all kinds of pussy at a very inflated price. GONE

2. Walking around the Hilton, Sunshine, the other hotel next to it or in front of Seibu, you were approached by numerous freelancers and some touts. GONE

3. The pink apartments behind the Shangri-La hotel used to be a backup spot for some ass. It's not gone, but it is only a shadow of what it used to be.

4. Sha Tsui was the Disneyland for sex. GONE (Some say it's making a mild comeback, but that's just wishful thinking).

5. Seibu area used to be a second rate area to above, but after the shutdown, become #1. Now it's raided on a regular basis and some shops are just closed now.

6. The area behind the JUSCO in Futian used to have a fair amount of pussy for sale back in the day. GONE

7. The area across the street from King Glory Plaza had a few stables. GONE

8. Shops on main street in Shekou. GONE (Chicken bars still down by the ferry).

Correct me if I am wrong on any of those, but from my eyes, the mongering in SZ has gotten worse, not the same and certainly not better. CP, though still maintaining BBS's, is still not as good as it used to be. CP wants a new face and in MY opinion, BBS's will not be a part of it. Of course, there will still be BBS's, but further away from the main areas of town. Hell, I know a few shops in SZ, but who the heck wants to go into some dumpy old village to find a gal for some ass? These shops are for the locals and to be honest the quality and quantity wasn't even good.

You even say it's become more difficult "Adult entertainment is everywhere and being accessible is where you know where to find it and if you drive." Yeah and you can find hookers in the USA, if you don't mind driving into the worst parts of town.

So I really don't see why you are getting all upset, it's obvious it's not the same as what it was back in the day. BTW: He said "seems" so he is no more of an authority on it than you or I, but he is making a comment based on his experiences and unless you are a high ranking official in the communist party and/or a member of the city planning department for SZ or CP, your comment is just that, a comment.


Have a Good Weekend!

-OMD

1 There are still touts by the Shangrila as I still get approached by them when I go to the train station and if there are a few less the better as I never use them and are a pest when I have business at the Shangrila

2 I found the freelancers outside the Sunshine usually older and lower quality so not really sad to see them go and the touts usually got their stock from Seibu with their markup, but I agree, there are a lot less

3 Pink apartments were and still are always a dump

4 Sa Tsui. Lots of guys I know now go to CP and Sa Wan. Take your pick. It is not making a comeback but there are a few popular KTVs there that offer rooms upstairs for the 1 dragon action and the quailty is OK.

5. Agree Seibu has been hit hard but if anything I like it better with most mongers scared to go there cause they are happy to see me (my wallet that is ) and I seem to get better service.

6, 7, 8. Never spent that much time in any of these places.

Other places that has been cleaned out are the so-called concubine villages like Hu Bei village and Huang Bei Liang village. But have you tried places like the village near Mix-C or the other popular Hong Konger haunts like Sui Fu. Not too shabby places and easier to get to than Sa Tsui.

You just got to be updated with where the action moves to or other areas. Get some Hong Kong monger friends.

I agee with you 1000% about the communist party / town planning official comment, that is why someone makes one of these comments about the direction of where the action is going and in reality he doesn't have any better clue than anyone else. I actually know someone in town planning but never thought to ask him where he was moving the BBSs, LOL.

I have never found Shenzhen a great place to monger and have always preferred to go to places in Dongguan but do so out of convenience. Places like Fung Kong where some other monger posted here is dead has hotels dedicated to mongering 5 minutes outside the city limits as well as the KTV and Saunas near the Customs ports. Its just a matter of someone taking you there the first time.

Enjoy.

California8
01-30-10, 00:11
I am finishing my time in GZ and wanted to give a many thanks to the veterans who helped out this newbie in CP earlier in the month. Had a great time learning from the pros like BSDave, Bruce Tea, ABC in LA, Dan Hawaii, Pig Fat and those others whom I did not catch your handle. Experiencing the CP KTV's with others was a real treat not to mention the BBS, naughty and veggie footies.

Cal8

OldAsiaHand
01-30-10, 03:50
Our party area is usually Panyu, but prices has increased quite a bit. Used to be 2,?, 10 MOD 3-?.13. Last time there, it was 3-?.12, MOD 4-?.15. My buddies and I normally don't do the one shots, therefore I don't really know what the pricing is. CP prices are much better and seems more consistent through the years. I will diff have to get to know the CP area better.

Panyu,

I checked out a couple of saunas in Shi Qiao last week with SF99. They were still offering "VIP" FS for 90 minutes @583 RMB, Massage with HE @183, Massage with titty HE @263 RMB. PM me for details.

OAH

P.S. ST is at least 10 nowadays at most Panyu KTV.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 03:42
dh, dude this story rings a familiar tone with me. more power to ya ! wapecy
yup, this trip was kind of hit and miss. maybe the economy is doing better so it's a sellers market, hahaaha.

anyways, i did extend my stay till today, because santa told me too. hahaha. dirty ole man. was nice seeing him again. and was a sight to see him partying in a ktv my last night.

went to mahattan ktv and wow, had a real sexy girl that was really into her job. she had the most beutiful legs, looked like she had white panty hose on, but it was just her silky white skin. she had the dsls (dick sucking lips) that i like and she was not afraid to use them or should i say she utilized them very well. . ;) she was hot and horny, i wanted to watch a bit of jet li action on the tube and she was [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me. i told her lets watch the fight scene and she just did not listen. she started to play with little bro and doing some sauna licking all over. i was like, wait jet li is kicking ass. but she started to dfk me and wanted my full attention. she was so awesome. too bad it was my last night and i had to wake up at 6am, so i had to let this awesome hook up go. but wow, she must have been a sauna girl, maybe, yup, service was that good. always catch the good ones at the end of my trip, it's like cp is alive and it's just teasing me.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 03:50
Staying in CP for more than 4 days, I often go to get a footie during the day. Brunch/lunch, then off to the footies, after 2 or 3 hours, go to the BBSs or SNs, then cap it off with a KTV fun. Good times.

Some interesting footies:

Pozolim (Across from Miraton). This is perhaps the most recognized footie place in CP. Veggie, so no hanky-panky (but no one said anything about after work, which Racetrack and others have confirmed). Kinda more expensive, but you get some good service and some good deals if you go at the right time. We went at 12:30. The hostess took us to our room we reserved (always call ahead cause they fill up quickly). My friend used English to make fun of the way she walked, saying she walked like a duck and giggled like a fool, so by the time we got to the room, she was all cold and somewhat rude. The room was newly renovated, so had that new paint smell. We requested another room. Got to a larger room and got our masseuses. They were ok cute. We ordered our complimentary drink and fruit. Since we went during lunchtime, we ordered lunch which was COMPLIMENTARY! Yea!! But it took a bit longer to arrive. Lots of choices from rice to noodles to sandwiches. The massage was great. Girls were friendly and chatty. And yes, they speak "some" English. Finished 2 hours, paid less than 100 rmb each and left very satisfied. Pozolim also has full body massage and all kinds of massage. The masseuses we saw were cute and aged 20-28. And again, it's not a hanky-panky place, so don't expect any HJ or groping in the room. But the girls are fun and some English is understood (which is because a lot of English speaking Asians come here). So make fun of the workers here at your own discretion.

PP hotel/Foot massage
On the 4th floor of PP hotel. Near Lion Hotel and Lucky Hotel. On the first floor is a shopping floor. We went up and they are renovating a whole floor. The hostess took us through a maze of hotel rooms to a section where the rooms have footie chairs. 3 chairs in the room, a regular TV, and a bathroom (with leaks and water on the floor). A dump we thought. We sat down and got our complimentary drink and fruit. Two not so pretty and chubby girls came in and started. First they filled up hot water (from the bathroom, lol) into a plastic, red water basin (the one where Chinese people wash their ass or laundry in)...Weird sh!t. We were laughing the entire time. This place was "recommended" by someone who's white and knows PP quite well (you know who YOU are...). Anyhow, aside from soaking our feet in a water basin (did I mention it was a small sized basin?) without salt or medicine, we got our regular foot massage. It was quite good! Quite ok for the price we paid. For 2 hours, it was less than 70 rmb. #56 and #22 are cute in their own way and fun to chat with.

Lion Hotel Footie.
5th floor, I believe. Place was old and run down, but the hostess took us to the room and asked us if we wanted a regular masseuse or a better looking masseuse (for something like 5 rmb difference). We requested a better looking masseuse and after a wait, three not so better looking masseuses came in. The place was full and masseuses were in demand hour after hour. Lots of tour groups come here for a cheap footie. Again, call ahead and reserve your room AND your masseuse. They have a movie channel which was cool. We watched like 3 movies there, Billy Madison, The Brothers Grimm and one HK movie about ghosts. No hanky-panky and a ok massage. Total was like 80 rmb for 2 hours.

Qian Zu Foot Massage.
There are two branches in CP. I went to the one across the street from Lion Hotel. This is perhaps one of the best looking massage places I've been to in CP. Quite famous and professional, the rooms are nice, the seats are comfy, and the service is very good. The pretty girls are hit or miss since they have so many masseuses. I went with guys who've been going there for years and they know a few who's pretty and have good attitudes. The footie was great and I have to say this can become one of my favorites. Paid 90 or so rmb for 2 hours.

Footies are pretty damn fun. If you get a pretty one, lucky you! But in any case, a massage is a massage even done by an ugly girl (which is pretty rare). A few hanky-panky footies were reported by BSD, so if that's your cup of tea, then you've got options. Otherwise, veggie ones are just as good if not better for muscle relaxation.

You and JimTraveller are footie sluts.:) Kind of surprising that Santa is a footie s l u t too.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 04:07
Kind of lost track of days so I'll just recollect on high points, not sure what the day was.

Went to Fuhau KTV on Friday, was damn busy. I managed to find 3 girls to bring to the room, but wanted to get rid of one. I asked Wilde to ask which girl I should get rid of. So he bluntly asked which one wants to leave and one of them just left. Well, was a girl I know that I sat on another night, but never took her out, I took her friend out. So she might of have been sad. I was going to keep her, and kick out one of the other girls, but oh well, she wanted to leave, so I did nothing to stop it. Maybe she was thinking I was going to stop her or something, but I know if I did, she would think I'm desperate and she might have a power trip the whole evening. Bullshit, I was not going to let that happen.

Anyways, it worked out for the best, because, the other two girls were just awesome. They were all playful, hot, and gfe.I even made them kiss each other and on other occassions making them grope one another. I had the CP delimma (which girl to take home)? And it was the first time on this trip I had this good delimma. It was a tough choice, both of them, I would have taken home on any other given night. I actually took home the girl that I was actually going to throw back in the line up, if that other girl did not excuse herself.

I really learned a good lesson here. Thanks to Wilde, which probably stumbled upon it by accident. The lesson here is to just bluntly ask the girl who wants to be excused and leave. If you have 2 girls, and you just want one, just ask them both at the same time, who wants to stay and who wants to go. It's as simple as that. Why not??? Not like you are going to hurt their feelings, you actually going to relieve her from making her stay somewhere she does not want to be.

So if you have 3 girls, and only want to sit 2 girls, ask them all at the same time, "who wants to go?"... Usually 1 or 2 will stay, but if all 3 leaves, then you are all shit out of luck, go hit the line up again, hahaha.

Wow, sometimes I just amaze myself at the knowledge I share with you lucky guys reading this. ;)

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 04:14
Went on chicken run with santa, wadman, and his friend on Saturday around 3:45. Wow, was so busy, the most dicks I every saw looking for BBS girls. Was lucky everyone found a girl, nothing to special to report, but was so damn busy, it was like a feeding frenzy.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 04:20
Summary:

KTVs that have the worst attitude girls are the ones that are very busy all the time. IMHO EuroAsia & Penninsula.

The most fun KTVs are: IMHO Fu Hao, Li Hao, and Manhattan.

Not sure why, but Fu Hao is busy and they have the funnest girls. The Penn is not so busy, but I did have one girl that was a real biatch.

JimTraveller is going to rail me on this one, because his number 1 and 2 ktvs are EuroAsia and Penn, respectively.

I don't want to stereo type on the ktvs, but I have been to EuroAsia twice, and both times, the girls sucked, not dick, but in attitude. Always struck out there.

On the other side of the spectrum, I have been to Fu hao 4 times, and all the times the girls were cool and fun. Never really had a bad time there.

Anyone else want to chime in?

BruceTea
01-31-10, 06:53
KTVs that have the worst attitude girls are the ones that are very busy all the time. IMHO EuroAsia & Penninsula.

The most fun KTVs are: IMHO Fu Hao, Li Hao, and Manhattan.



Very good summary, DH. I strongly agree with you on all 5 KTVs.

That said, I admit I've struck out at least once at all 5 KTVs you mentioned. That's why so many vets are turned off by the KTV experience, you get hits or misses and your percentage is an inexact science. With KTV fees high and the prospect of striking out (as early as in the KTV room), getting a dud after all that playing (500 rmb if you cut your losses), or getting woken as early as 6 am ("stick it in and come quickly so I can go home and sleep"), it's a whole lotta Mao's to be gambled. It used to be in the WeekDays you get some better service, now I don't think that's the case. It's all a gamble.

I gotta go with JTraveler in that Penn's girls look modern and hot. They're like outta the magazines. He's gotten some hotties. So have I. I can still remember the girls' faces whom I've selected or others have selected. But I'm actually like 2 for 5 for Penn. The misses have been disaster misses, but hey, I'm still game for getting my percentage up. But the girls do scare me as they seem to be quite b-i-t-c-h-y. But gosh they look oh so pretty!

Lots of people don't go to PP cause it's smaller and not as new. But it was fun when I was there a few months ago. Good for some cheaper KTV fun that can turn out great.

Also Lion KTV as mentioned earlier. It's got a catwalk for the KTV girls (around 100 girls), who walk a platform in two's. Up and down so you can get their numbers if you want them to sit with you. But pretty fkin chaotic since the ones you want may be taken by others. Yes, you tell the DJ who you want, she writes it down (haha), and relays it to someone. Silly, but the catwalk is fun. If you still can't find someone, the mms will bring the girls to the room in groups. The hosting is in Cantonese, so that means lots of HK or GZ people go here. The rooms are small and cozy. The halls are in brick, which is kinda nostalgic, and there are windowed storage for the hard liquor, meaning patrons can order XO or Cognac and then store it there for future consumption. Dunno, but my feeling is that the girls expect guys to drink, sing, and play with them; take them back; and then do the deed. They're not that into games or dancing. My girl hid in the bathroom when all the dancing was going on, but I went in and was fondling and kissing her, so who knows. And sadly, I did not take her back as I was with my takeout.

Some recognition to LiHao KTV as it's relatively new. The flower street is around 4 rows and quite well lit. That means you get to see the girl's faces unlike Mayflower where it's all crowded and somewhat dark. The rooms are new and the glass tables can support dancing on them! DH's girl was on top of the glass table dancing oh-so-sexily. They're also into games as the DJ brought in a plastic hand slapping toy. Don't know what that's supposedly for, but we all had fun using it.

Another recognition to New Century KTV as it's got a special place in my heart. The flower street is two long rows with plenty of space in the middle. Relatively well-light and spacious as well. The girls seem a bit more hard-core (whatever that means) so play or get played.

Don't let a KTV's rep get to ya. It's all a crap-shot, so it's not really which one is better or worst, but how you play the hand you're given. With so many variables, it really does make every KTV night a fun gamble. Enjoy it!

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 07:04
I think Thursday Santa and I went on a chicken run, Baby's shop was the first stop and only stop. We both found what we were looking for and took them back fro some fun. We are so easy picking from the first shop we walked into. Hahaha. My girls was fun, tall and slender. She was pretty with the makeup on. Well, she was fun, we played the Wii (I bought it in china with 270 games @ $0.40 per game) for several hours, she really like it. Oh well, I guess I'm keeping her overnight since all we did was play the Wii for 3 hours. Anyways, she was cool and stayed over night.

It was all fun and games, literally, until the next day when her phone started to ring. It was Mommmy Baby and she was telling her she needs to take care of another customer. She left without payment so I was like WTF. Then baby comes knocking on the door, she says my girl needed to move or some bullshit. I was thinking to myself that's bullshit, she went to fuck another dude, on my watch. So I called up Wadman and asked WTF. Anyways, ended up paying her 700 total (500 LT and 200 ST), because it was late when she left, at 5pm. I was going to keep her another night, but the mommy demanded her to go take care of busienss. I know she did not want to leave, she was yelling in the bathroom and she was total GFE. But boss lady mommy fucked it up.
Well, it was a blessing in disguise, because that (Friday) night we all went to Fu Hao and I sat those 2 amazingly fun girls. (see previous post.)

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 07:14
Very good summary, DH. I strongly agree with you on all 5 KTVs.


Hey Bruce, I'm in your hometown for a stopover. Bring some sweeties over!;)

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 07:19
Went to Virgin Sauna, forgot what day, as the days are just a blurr sometimes. I had one pretty good looking girl. Service was the usual, but alittle slacking just a bit. The thing odd about this one was that she said hau tong. i was like WTF, how can a sauna girl be saying this shit. It's like a restaurant saying there is no more food left in the kitchen. We tried twice, I guess it was the duration, not the size. But in my head, I'd like to think it was both. Hahaha. Oh well, she was cool and peppy, so I forgave her and she just gave me a HJ and a massage afterwards. Damage was around 580.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 07:22
One day Santa, FreePeaks, me and my BBS girl went to see a plastic injection mold factory. Was cool to see. I think I'm the first to bring a KTV girl to the night market and now, again, the first to bring a BBS girl to a factory. Hahahaha.

It was a small factory, only less than 100 employess. I went to a computer mouse and keyboard factory which had over 300 workers. It's just interesting to see the sweat shops in China.

Dan Hawaii
01-31-10, 07:29
Went to california red, kind of near Clipper and Manhattan. I went to find a girl at LiHau ktv to take for this date with FreePeaks. Found a fun, kind of not my type girl, but she reminded me of my ex GF from highschool. And the pickings were slim. hahaha. She ended up being really fun. FreePeaks is a changed man from the time I first meet him a couple of years back. He was timid and know as much chinese as I know now, which is nothing, silch, zero. And now he is a party animal chinese speaking dude. I was surprised how much chinese he knows.

Anyways, that California red is really a fun place. There are go go type dancing girls, with singing and good entertainment. Most of the songs they play are american hip hop, R&B, dance pumping music. I was surpirsed it was so happening. You can even play bullshit dice.

Fast Eddie 48
01-31-10, 07:35
One day Santa, FreePeaks, me and my BBS girl went to see a plastic injection mold factory. Was cool to see. I think I'm the first to bring a KTV girl to the night market and now, again, the first to bring a BBS girl to a factory. Hahahaha.Dan,

So you are hunting for factory girl now, are you going low end on us is KTV too expensive for you now, I like factory girl but they need training but you get GFE experience so learn some mandarin.

Fast Eddie 48

Bob Builder
01-31-10, 12:00
Went on chicken run with santa, wadman, and his friend on Saturday around 3:45. Wow, was so busy, the most dicks I every saw looking for BBS girls. Was lucky everyone found a girl, nothing to special to report, but was so damn busy, it was like a feeding frenzy.


Were there a lot of foreigners in town cause guys here keep saying BBS are not the preferred mode of mongering for Chinese and they are going to be forced out?

Santa
01-31-10, 16:32
Were there a lot of foreigners in town cause guys here keep saying BBS are not the preferred mode of mongering for Chinese and they are going to be forced out?

It was a Saturday afternoon at prime-time. Mostly HongKong and Taiwanese guys. Not enough girls to go around. Some shops closed.

It only looked like a frenzy to Dan because the guys were quickly taking the few girls available.

Joe and i did a tour today, Sunday at 3pm, it was very very slow. Slim pickins. Not many guys or girls. Most shops only had a few girls, and best shops only had 6 or 7.

Robin Mill
01-31-10, 16:57
I think Thursday Santa and I went on a chicken run, Baby's shop was the first stop and only stop. We both found what we were looking for and took them back fro some fun. We are so easy picking from the first shop we walked into. Hahaha. My girls was fun, tall and slender. She was pretty with the makeup on. Well, she was fun, we played the Wii (I bought it in China with 270 games at $0. 40 per game) for several hours, she really like it. Oh well, I guess I'm keeping her overnight since all we did was play the Wii for 3 hours. Anyways, she was cool and stayed over night.

It was all fun and games, literally, until the next day when her phone started to ring. It was Mommmy Baby and she was telling her she needs to take care of another customer. She left without payment so I was like WTF. Then baby comes knocking on the door, she says my girl needed to move or some bullshit. I was thinking to myself that's bullshit, she went to fuck another dude, on my watch. So I called up Wadman and asked WTF. Anyways, ended up paying her 700 total (500 LT and 200 ST), because it was late when she left, at 5pm. I was going to keep her another night, but the mommy demanded her to go take care of busienss. I know she did not want to leave, she was yelling in the bathroom and she was total GFE. But boss lady mommy fucked it up.

Well, it was a blessing in disguise, because that (Friday) night we all went to Fu Hao and I sat those 2 amazingly fun girls. (see previous post.)You bought your wii in China? Great! Please pm me where you get them and how much. You have up the ante with wii. Usually, I watched a movie or 2 in the hotel room, with DJ/friends. (Thanks to Dave for the DVD player) I manager to snag a DJ and a normal friends with this tactic! 2 seperate occasions and trips of course. Thus, I believe if you really like the gal, watch a movie or play some games first to build the bonding. Even though they don't have fantastic body, it is difficult for me to let them go after all the bonding.

The sex, needless to say, is fantastic.

Can mommy Baby do that? I can't believe it. Your gal can don't go right? But it is hard not to follow mommy orders. She still need to go back there to work after you leave. Unless you decide to sponsor her. Ha ha.

Thanks for the FR Dan! You just re-light my CP blues.

Thanks!

Panyu
02-01-10, 07:58
P.S. ST is at least 10 nowadays at most Panyu KTV.Wow, ST at 10. I believe our days at Panyu will come to an end. I remember the first time me and buddies went to CP. Prices are great and we was blown away by the buffet. Never seen that before. We call the flower show the buffet, hahahhaha. No clue it was called flower show.

Good thing I stumble upon this forum. Man this forum is a wealth of info, hahha. Reading this forum is leading me to think of one thing. Gather the troops and plan our next trip.

Dan Hawaii
02-01-10, 16:23
Dan,

So you are hunting for factory girl now, are you going low end on us is KTV too expensive for you now, I like factory girl but they need training but you get GFE experience so learn some mandarin.

Fast Eddie 48
No Dude, FE, I brought a BBS girl to the factory. I was not looking for a girl at the factory. I told the BBS girl to go home, but she did not want to and jumped into the car. For real, not kidding , ask santa and freepeaks. She was a fun gal.

Dan Hawaii
02-01-10, 16:33
Were there a lot of foreigners in town cause guys here keep saying BBS are not the preferred mode of mongering for Chinese and they are going to be forced out?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but it was busy as shit. Not sure if they were foreigners, but it was a dick fest for sure and, because of it, it was really really slim picking.

Even on the weekdays, from the normal, it is still kind of slim pickings. Not the usual 20-30 girls per stable. More like 15 here, 10 there, and even 4 in some stables, even on the weekdays, at peak times like 3pm- 4pm. For example, swan lake had 10 (went with SEAJ), baby had 12 (went with santa), jo jo had 12 (went with a bunch of guys), all at peak hours of the day...... and the rest of the stables were down to 3-7 girls and would you believe one stable had only 1 girl???. Just reporting the facts, from what I seen, for my self, for the 2+weeks I was there on the ground. NOT from what someone else said or what I heard. From first hand on the ground. So if you are calling me I liar, then whatever man.

As for the BBS demise; I did not say that, I was just repeating a forcast from another post, because from what I seen, it looked pretty bad. OAH knows best and he said it's because of CNY. So there is the answer to why BBS numbers are so bleak.

Dan Hawaii
02-01-10, 16:44
It was a Saturday afternoon at prime-time. Mostly HongKong and Taiwanese guys. Not enough girls to go around. Some shops closed.

It only looked like a frenzy to Dan because the guys were quickly taking the few girls available.

Joe and i did a tour today, Sunday at 3pm, it was very very slow. Slim pickins. Not many guys or girls. Most shops only had a few girls, and best shops only had 6 or 7.
Yeah Santa! you da you da man. I don't know what BB is smoking, but... mean da dope!!!. ;)

Sorry I left you, but you are right, man. I miss CP already. I don't know why I left. Damn it. You da you da man. I'm kicking myself in the ass. But I needed to get back to reality, I was kind of getting a bit "Comfortably Numb" (Pink Floyd) there. I was feeling like I was being used and abused by the girls there. Toying with my feelings, emotions, and matter of the heart. They just keep breaking my heart. A guy only can take so much heart breaking. Hahaha;)

Only using me to get to the real thing that they really want, which is my Mao. Those deceitful girls. Users and abusers. :(

Dan Hawaii
02-01-10, 17:04
Yup, auntie up man! Cha Ching!

Anyways, you can buy it at the DVD shops on the CP strip. Costs around $240 usd, but the games are only $0.40 per game, instead of $30+ per game. Really cheap!!! Costs more for the counsel, because it is already hacked to enable you to play the pirated cheap ass games. But that's only 1 controller, so you need to buy another, which will costs around $30 more, I think. Anyways, I paid a total of $600 usd for everything....:

Wii counsel with 1 controller
extra controller
AC adapter to 110 - 250 V
Wii fitness pad whatever
battery charger / station
270 games, YUP... Yeah!!!!!!! 270 fucking games!!!!:)
Shipping those 270 fucking games by Mail - $100 usd:(
Because BSD said you better do that or pay 10,000 HKD for each mother fucking game. Scared the shit out of me, so I listened to Bro BSD and shipped them out. Did not receive them yet, but I'll keep you posted.

Cha Ching Man, Cha Ching... ;) but it's for my daughter and I hooked the Wii up for her tonight and the security guard came up and said we were making too much laughter. Hahahaha. Worth every penny.

You bought your wii in China? Great! Please pm me where you get them and how much. You have up the ante with wii. Usually, I watched a movie or 2 in the hotel room, with DJ/friends. (Thanks to Dave for the DVD player) I manager to snag a DJ and a normal friends with this tactic! 2 seperate occasions and trips of course. Thus, I believe if you really like the gal, watch a movie or play some games first to build the bonding. Even though they don't have fantastic body, it is difficult for me to let them go after all the bonding.

The sex, needless to say, is fantastic.

Can mommy Baby do that? I can't believe it. Your gal can don't go right? But it is hard not to follow mommy orders. She still need to go back there to work after you leave. Unless you decide to sponsor her. Ha ha.

Thanks for the FR Dan! You just re-light my CP blues.

Thanks!

Bob Builder
02-01-10, 17:44
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but it was busy as shit. Not sure if they were foreigners, but it was a dick fest for sure and, because of it, it was really really slim picking.

Even on the weekdays, from the normal, it is still kind of slim pickings. Not the usual 20-30 girls per stable. More like 15 here, 10 there, and even 4 in some stables, even on the weekdays, at peak times like 3pm- 4pm. For example, swan lake had 10 (went with SEAJ), baby had 12 (went with santa), jo jo had 12 (went with a bunch of guys), all at peak hours of the day...... and the rest of the stables were down to 3-7 girls and would you believe one stable had only 1 girl???. Just reporting the facts, from what I seen, for my self, for the 2+weeks I was there on the ground. NOT from what someone else said or what I heard. From first hand on the ground. So if you are calling me I liar, then whatever man.

As for the BBS demise; I did not say that, I was just repeating a forcast from another post, because from what I seen, it looked pretty bad. OAH knows best and he said it's because of CNY. So there is the answer to why BBS numbers are so bleak.

I am in agreement with you, not doubting you! What I was trying to get across was that you are actually there reporting that everything is alive and kicking. But there are other guys here who are saying that BBS are going to die out or get shut out cause everyone prefers KTVs and Saunas. There is a place for every type of mongering just like food there are high class restaurants and fast food joints and every once in a while a burger hits the spot.

Read back about 2 or 3 pages and you will know what I am on about. And not smoking any shit. I leave that to guys who have a shit reality.

Old Mean Dog
02-01-10, 18:15
I am in agreement with you, not doubting you! What I was trying to get across was that you are actually there reporting that everything is alive and kicking. But there are other guys here who are saying that BBS are going to die out or get shut out cause everyone prefers KTVs and Saunas. There is a place for every type of mongering just like food there are high class restaurants and fast food joints and every once in a while a burger hits the spot.

Read back about 2 or 3 pages and you will know what I am on about. And not smoking any shit. I leave that to guys who have a shit reality.

You got anything else better to do then to keep bringing this up?

Sukhimvetter has been in China for 3 years, I was there for 4. We screwed many girls in that time and went to many places, why the f**k can't you understand that they are opinions from members who have had "Boots on the ground?". It's a forum, we all have comments, none of us are experts. I say they are drying up, so what?? Are you the President of the Chinese Brothel Association and feel insulted by my COMMENT? I gave you solids about SZ and you agreed, 4 years ago I remember CP had twice as many shops and three times as many girls, you gonna call me a liar?

-OMD

Bob Builder
02-02-10, 02:02
You got anything else better to do then to keep bringing this up?

Sukhimvetter has been in China for 3 years, I was there for 4. We screwed many girls in that time and went to many places, why the f**k can't you understand that they are opinions from members who have had "Boots on the ground?". It's a forum, we all have comments, none of us are experts. I say they are drying up, so what?? Are you the President of the Chinese Brothel Association and feel insulted by my COMMENT? I gave you solids about SZ and you agreed, 4 years ago I remember CP had twice as many shops and three times as many girls, you gonna call me a liar?

-OMD

I agreed with your comments about SZ and said if you looked a bit harder, a short taxi ride away from those places you would find that things are alive and well but you just haven't found them. Maybe you should have done a bit more walking in those boots of yours?

Just clearing things up with Dan that I wasn't doubting his post.

And like you say anyone can comment here.

BB,
President of the Low Cost Monger Association

Jettsetter
02-02-10, 03:07
So have there been hints of the gals going home for Chinese New Year? From previous years, it seems that it is dead during that time... when is the slated return time period? From what I've heard, and I don't know dick about the customs of the travel period ,but the last day of their "holiday" is Feb. 28...

Anybody got the "Working Girl Handbook" handy and can tell me what this year's calendar looks like?

Gotta make travel plans around their schedules...

I'm sure it's going to be a seller's market for the next month or so... Let us know how the front lines are before we make the trek... otherwise, I will have to book a regular for my travels.

P.S. Dan H, and BT, Freepeaks, Santa... good posting boys.. like to hear about your adventures... Hope we can do a blow out sometime when we can all coordinate calendars. Santa, what's your schedule look like? Has your chinese improved ??

See you guys soon.

-J

OldAsiaHand
02-02-10, 04:02
i agreed with your comments about sz and said if you looked a bit harder, a short taxi ride away from those places you would find that things are alive and well but you just haven't found them. maybe you should have done a bit more walking in those boots of yours?

just clearing things up with dan that i wasn't doubting his post.

and like you say anyone can comment here.

bb,
president of the low cost monger association

as most of you know, i am a big fan of "low cost mongering" and a frequent patron of bbs all over china. i just can't see investing 400-500 rmb in a ktv night very often only to find out that the provider i selected is a dud in the ktv room and/or sack or decides she just does not want to go out period. then, i am out another 200-500 rmb sitting fee on top. bruce tea has mentioned this "hit or miss" scenario recently. at the end of the day, i am just out to get laid and could care less about "getting to know" the girl first.

i must admit that, especially in the major metro areas and close-in the suburbs, the supply of bbs is dwindling. for example, there are now very few shops in guangzhou compared with the old days. the bbs in shi qiao, panyu, moved to shiqi and were shut, then they moved to another town further out and were shut again. now, they have rep001tered to different locations in the area.

that said, they will always find a location to operate. the key is to stay in touch with the mamasans to find out where they are. i was in the "walmart" area of sz recently and saw a mamasan i've known for nearly 10 years. she has her girls hidden in a very small bbs in a small alley and spends her time bringing customers in off the street. the apartment they take you too is a block or so away from the shop.

so, as old mean dog says, there are less bbs in the places they were before. but, as bb says there are still plenty of options if you know how and where to find them.

just my pov.

oah

Weelock
02-02-10, 04:46
So have there been hints of the gals going home for Chinese New Year? From previous years, it seems that it is dead during that time... when is the slated return time period? From what I've heard, and I don't know dick about the customs of the travel period ,but the last day of their "holiday" is Feb. 28...

Anybody got the "Working Girl Handbook" handy and can tell me what this year's calendar looks like?

Gotta make travel plans around their schedules...

I'm sure it's going to be a seller's market for the next month or so... Let us know how the front lines are before we make the trek... otherwise, I will have to book a regular for my travels.


The girls do not come back in ONE day like after Feb 28. Don't expect the girls to start work like it is a Monday morning, the first day of a work week. They don't have a schedule. They usually trickle back in slowly 2 to 4 weeks after CNY. Expect things to be normal around late March. This is nothing new and it happens every year. It is a time to avoid.

Fast Eddie 48
02-02-10, 05:49
So have there been hints of the gals going home for Chinese New Year? From previous years, it seems that it is dead during that time. When is the slated return time period? From what I've heard, and I don't know dick about the customs of the travel period, but the last day of their "holiday" is Feb. 28.

Anybody got the "Working Girl Handbook" handy and can tell me what this year's calendar looks like?

Have to make travel plans around their schedules.

I'm sure it's going to be a seller's market for the next month or so. Let us know how the front lines are before we make the trek. Otherwise, I will have to book a regular for my travels.

P.S. Dan H, and BT, Freepeaks, Santa. Good posting boys. Like to hear about your adventures. Hope we can do a blow out sometime when we can all coordinate calendars. Santa, what's your schedule look like? Has your Chinese improved?

See you guys soon.

-JTo Jettsetter,

I will be in China by end of Feb and I was there last CNY have no problem finding actions, yes there will be less girl but there will be more actions than all of us if you know where to look, I do have contact on regular factory girl at Shenzhen and Dongguan I can call, there is always PI and Thailand short flight away.

Fast Eddie 48

Big Swingin Dave
02-02-10, 08:52
So have there been hints of the gals going home for Chinese New Year? From previous years, it seems that it is dead during that time... when is the slated return time period? From what I've heard, and I don't know dick about the customs of the travel period ,but the last day of their "holiday" is Feb. 28...

Anybody got the "Working Girl Handbook" handy and can tell me what this year's calendar looks like?

Gotta make travel plans around their schedules...

I'm sure it's going to be a seller's market for the next month or so... Let us know how the front lines are before we make the trek... otherwise, I will have to book a regular for my travels.

P.S. Dan H, and BT, Freepeaks, Santa... good posting boys.. like to hear about your adventures... Hope we can do a blow out sometime when we can all coordinate calendars. Santa, what's your schedule look like? Has your chinese improved ??

See you guys soon.

JI was not living in Chang Ping last year during CNY but was visiting just before and a few days after and can remember that, yes there were a lot less WGs in town but there were a lot less guys as well. Pickings will be slim but the best part that I remember was that there were a lot of "fresh" girls immediately after CNY as they were recruited by WGs that went home and came back. Also just before CNY, there will be some new WGs (more at the BBS) as they need to make a few extra bucks before going home. Weekdays in CP are slow but the weekends are still extremely busy. For those of you planning to come during the weekends, make sure you reserve your rooms early (i.e. before Thursday) just to be save. A few recent weekends I had to put people at the YuXin hotel across the street from the train station which can be a bit inconvenient.

BSD

Santa
02-02-10, 09:27
Let us know how the front lines are before we make the trek... Santa, what's your schedule look like?


-J

I'm on the front line right now, trying to bag as many of them as I can before the rest of you guys show up. It's hard work, but someone has to do it!

Big Swingin Dave
02-02-10, 09:27
I have been coming to CP for bit over a year and have never been to the Hui Mei KTV but went there a couple nights ago at the request of one my friend in town. SEAJoe gave me an old contact of his and I made a reservation with her and it turned out that she is the Alpha mommy at this place and she reminded me of the Mimi at the Century Flower Club in Chang An where all her girls were extremely well trained to behave and entertain the customers inside/outside the KTV. The hardware is a little dated and the quantity of girls were a bit on the low side but we had no problem finding our companions for the evening. The best part about this place is that all the WGs are one pricing 2-5-8 which also includes the assistant mommies (AM) to sit and for after KTV activities. We (the three of us) selected 4 WGs (1 of them was an AM), 1 WGF, 1 AM, the Alpha Mommy, and DJ had an awesome time drinking, dancing, and playing til the wee morning hours. We literally were the last customers to leave the place which had never happen to me before. This place really reminds me of Century Flower Club in Chang An, a fun fun place to party BUT it is recommended that you select the WGs from the Alpha Mommy's group at this place to ensure a good time inside/outside of the KTV.

PM me if you need the contact information.

BSD

Dan Hawaii
02-02-10, 12:06
I'm on the front line right now, trying to bag as many of them as I can before the rest of you guys show up. It's hard work, but someone has to do it!
Dirty ole man, I hope you bag as many girls as you can. Santa "Made-Off" with all the girls, by luring the girls in with chocolate candies. ;) PMed you my email address, wanna see all your junk mail.

Santa
02-02-10, 12:10
Every girl I have had since returning to CP has told me in my room that she doesn't know how to blow (wo bu hui), even though they tell me before I take them that they do know how.

One girl gave me an excellent blowjob a week ago. Today I ran into her again and invited her to my room, expecting the same service. Would you believe that she insisted that she doesn't know how to do a blowjob. I kept reminding her that she did a week ago, and then she finally relented.

What the fuck is going on here? Well, let me take a guess. Lots of guys take the girls to their rooms and only then ask for blowjob. She plays coy and insists she doesn't do that. He then offers her extra money. She then knows how. So the girls behavior of saying "wo bu hui" to a blowjob is reinforced with extra cash. And the guys behavior of offering extra cash is reinforced with better service. We behave just like B. F. Skinner's rats and pigeons.

Some of the girls really don't do blowjobs, but I would say the vast majority of them do not have a problem with it, when the price is right.

FernandoAlonso
02-02-10, 12:38
Every girl I have had since returning to CP has told me in my room that she doesn't know how to blow (wo bu hui), even though they tell me before I take them that they do know how.

One girl gave me an excellent blowjob a week ago. Today I ran into her again and invited her to my room, expecting the same service. Would you believe that she insisted that she doesn't know how to do a blowjob. I kept reminding her that she did a week ago, and then she finally relented.

What the fuck is going on here? Well, let me take a guess. Lots of guys take the girls to their rooms and only then ask for blowjob. She plays coy and insists she doesn't do that. He then offers her extra money. She then knows how. So the girls behavior of saying "wo bu hui" to a blowjob is reinforced with extra cash. And the guys behavior of offering extra cash is reinforced with better service. We behave just like B. F. Skinner's rats and pigeons.

Some of the girls really don't do blowjobs, but I would say the vast majority of them do not have a problem with it, when the price is right.That must be new, I remember every mama loudly and graphically praising their gals superior skills in this category. Many Chinese girls fresh from the farm do not know and or like, but I thought they get trained somehow and if it is on the job, I would volunteer for that dirty job!

FA

OldAsiaHand
02-02-10, 13:09
Every girl I have had since returning to CP has told me in my room that she doesn't know how to blow (wo bu hui), even though they tell me before I take them that they do know how.

One girl gave me an excellent blowjob a week ago. Today I ran into her again and invited her to my room, expecting the same service. Would you believe that she insisted that she doesn't know how to do a blowjob. I kept reminding her that she did a week ago, and then she finally relented.

What the fuck is going on here? Well, let me take a guess. Lots of guys take the girls to their rooms and only then ask for blowjob. She plays coy and insists she doesn't do that. He then offers her extra money. She then knows how. So the girls behavior of saying "wo bu hui" to a blowjob is reinforced with extra cash. And the guys behavior of offering extra cash is reinforced with better service. We behave just like B. F. Skinner's rats and pigeons.

Some of the girls really don't do blowjobs, but I would say the vast majority of them do not have a problem with it, when the price is right.

Santa,

I hear the same thing often. I think many punters just accept it and let them off the hook. I call their bullshit and tell them to get on with it. It is a very important part of the equation for me so I always insist. Very, very rarely do I find one that will not relent.

Just my POV.

OAH

Sound7
02-02-10, 18:40
WG's do have a choice, Right!

Pick another one who does "wo bu hui. " or "chuīxiāo"

Could tonal or word translation be an issue?

What are the correct tones for "wo bu hui" or is it chuīxiāo : to play the xiao 箫 (mouth organ) / to beg while playing pipes; cf politician Wu Zixu, c. 520 BC destitute refugee in W.. / to busk / virtuoso piper wins a beauty / fellatio (oral sex) / a blowjob ?








Every girl I have had since returning to CP has told me in my room that she doesn't know how to blow (wo bu hui), even though they tell me before I take them that they do know how.

One girl gave me an excellent blowjob a week ago. Today I ran into her again and invited her to my room, expecting the same service. Would you believe that she insisted that she doesn't know how to do a blowjob. I kept reminding her that she did a week ago, and then she finally relented.

What the fuck is going on here? Well, let me take a guess. Lots of guys take the girls to their rooms and only then ask for blowjob. She plays coy and insists she doesn't do that. He then offers her extra money. She then knows how. So the girls behavior of saying "wo bu hui" to a blowjob is reinforced with extra cash. And the guys behavior of offering extra cash is reinforced with better service. We behave just like B. F. Skinner's rats and pigeons.

Some of the girls really don't do blowjobs, but I would say the vast majority of them do not have a problem with it, when the price is right.

Freepeaks
02-02-10, 19:34
Some recognition to LiHao KTV as it's relatively new. The flower street is around 4 rows and quite well lit. That means you get to see the girl's faces unlike Mayflower where it's all crowded and somewhat dark. The rooms are new and the glass tables can support dancing on them! DH's girl was on top of the glass table dancing oh-so-sexily. They're also into games as the DJ brought in a plastic hand slapping toy. Don't know what that's supposedly for, but we all had fun using it.

Unfortunately being well lit with lousy looking girls (but good looking mommies and DJs) is not a benefit. The rooms are modern and very nice, and big also. The girls were fun but for a prime night, the quality simply wasn't there, I called in reserves and JT went to EA to find some. Bad quality and the lineup was no larger than Manhattan. I would not return here, my opinion.

FuHao again gets the reward for the most fun girls, the best behavior in the rooms and now that they upgraded the rooms and KTV systems, they don't have that strike against them. Still my favorite and 10/10 without a bad pick there. Most of my favorites are from there.

Will report on rest of trip later, but good to see everyone.

Word on the street is that 2/1 -2/4 is a prime clearing out time for alot of girls, some will stay, but most gone by then. I know 5 regulars that were gone already on the 22nd of Jan. So pickings are down but there is fun to be had.

Meiguoguizi
02-02-10, 23:59
WG's do have a choice, Right!

Pick another one who does "wo bu hui. " or "chuīxiāo"

Could tonal or word translation be an issue?

What are the correct tones for "wo bu hui" or is it chuīxiāo : to play the xiao 箫 (mouth organ) / to beg while playing pipes; cf politician Wu Zixu, c. 520 BC destitute refugee in W.. / to busk / virtuoso piper wins a beauty / fellatio (oral sex) / a blowjob ?

"wo3 bu4 hui4" = I can't. (the first 4th tone 'bu' becomes a 2nd tone before another 4th tone, so it's pronounced bu2 hui4)

kou3 jiao1 or kou3 yin2 = blow job
or the cute = chi1 xiang1 jiao1 "eat banana"

Sound7
02-03-10, 05:24
Thanks for the mandarin tonal breakdown for a blowjob request.


"wo3 bu4 hui4" = I can't. (the first 4th tone 'bu' becomes a 2nd tone before another 4th tone, so it's pronounced bu2 hui4)

kou3 jiao1 or kou3 yin2 = blow job
or the cute = chi1 xiang1 jiao1 "eat banana"

AsnDragon
02-03-10, 06:03
I think weelock is completely right about late March for girls to really start filling up again in CP. I remember I was there around Feb. of last year, only a couple of weeks after Chinese New Year and it was pretty dead. But about a month after CHinese New year, most girls start coming back in bigger numbers.

However, perhaps with Chinese New Year being later this year, in mid Feb, Girls may come back earlier to capture the Guangzhou Trade Fair customers? or being asked by their mommies and managers to come back for those busy weeks in late March perhaps? who knows, in CP anything can happen.

i wouldn't considering coming to CP until late March.


AsnDragon


The girls do not come back in ONE day like after Feb 28. Don't expect the girls to start work like it is a Monday morning, the first day of a work week. They don't have a schedule. They usually trickle back in slowly 2 to 4 weeks after CNY. Expect things to be normal around late March. This is nothing new and it happens every year. It is a time to avoid.

Weelock
02-03-10, 08:28
I think weelock is completely right about late March for girls to really start filling up again in CP. I remember I was there around Feb. of last year, only a couple of weeks after Chinese New Year and it was pretty dead. But about a month after Chinese New year, most girls start coming back in bigger numbers.

However, perhaps with Chinese New Year being later this year, in mid Feb, Girls may come back earlier to capture the Guangzhou Trade Fair customers? or being asked by their mommies and managers to come back for those busy weeks in late March perhaps? who knows, in CP anything can happen.

i wouldn't considering coming to CP until late March.


AsnDragon

CNY in 2009 was in late January. I was in China around this time period. It wasn't completely dead but I had a hard time finding girls I liked.

You might be right about mommies wanting girls to come back earlier for trade fairs for this year but that's in Guangzhou. Yes, who knows. What's true is, the later it is after CNY, the better it will get. About a month is about right.

I hope they don't pull the same shit like every year and ask for $250 or red envelope. When the normal price is only 200RMB. From what I am hearing, I think mommies might get away with it this year because the lack of girls I am hearing from reports on ISG. Way way too many guys....

Santa
02-03-10, 11:07
Didn't know I would inadvertantly start a language and tones debate, oh well.

About 40% of the bbs shops are presently closed and those that are open have several girls at most. That is to be expected with the holiday so close. Not that many mongers either really, so it's still possible to find something that suits your taste. I have been doing repeats already.

I think the ktv's have about half the usual girls and guys. Dave would know better than me.

After this weekend I will probably go to Thailand for a while.

Dan Hawaii
02-03-10, 12:19
After this weekend I will probably go to Thailand for a while.
Dirty ole man. Where in Thailand is your usual place you go? I heard prices are sky high in Bangkok, compared to China. Too many foreigners spoiling the market and lots of tourist traps. Just wondering, in case I get "the urge to merge" with Thai girls.

Sucks to be back in the good ole US of A. Missing and dreaming of CP already. I hate it when father santa is always right.
I already got PDCPD (Post Dramatic CP Disorder). It's a sickness after you had the time of your life in CP, and you fail to function when you return home. PDCPD cases are found to occur very strongly in newbies to CP. However, the seasoned pro usually gets a mild case of PDCPD. The symptoms of PDCPD are:

you can't work
you feel sad all the time
you can't function
...Because all your brain does is daydream of the girl fun you had in CP. And you get sad and depressed because you are not in CP. Then you get angry, because you have to wait awhile before you can go back to CP.

There is only one cure for PDCPD, and that's going back to CP to get your daily dose of happiness. ;)

Dan Hawaii
02-03-10, 12:39
Thanks for the mandarin tonal breakdown for a blowjob request.
Sign language usually works for me, this is how you do it...

Make multiple kissing sounds, while puckering your lips, all awhile nodding/bobbing your head up and down.
At the same time, point twice to your puckering lips and then point to your dick and point to the girl you want to have your dick sucked. Repeat and do this in succession and smile once in awhile. Then the mommy will shout out in mandarin , "yes, until you explode!!!"

Then you know you got a winner.;)

Freepeaks
02-03-10, 17:51
I already got PDCPD (Post Dramatic CP Disorder). It's a sickness after you had the time of your life in CP, and you fail to function when you return home. PDCPD cases are found to occur very strongly in newbies to CP. However, the seasoned pro usually gets a mild case of PDCPD. The symptoms of PDCPD are:

you can't work
you feel sad all the time
you can't function

PDCPD
You forgot endlessly reading and posting on the board.
Constantly reviewing pictures of the good times.

There is always QQ though, helps with your mandarin too.

Sukhumvitter
02-04-10, 08:17
Hi brothers!

I've been traveling and haven't checked the board for about a week. I guess my comments about BBS' touched a nerve. Sorry to be a contributing factor to the low signal-to-noise ratio on the board. Speaking of which...where is SEA Joe? LOL (just joking, man!)

For the record... I don't know what the fcuks gonna happen anywhere, just like the rest of us. It's all just opinions and hear-say anyway. And my opinion/speculation/future-casting is probably alot less accurate than some of you guys with networks into the local gov't.

Take nothing I say too seriously! LOL

However, Bob, I would love it if you did ask your contact in the local CP gov't about what the over-arching strategy is vis-a-vis the small bbs shops. That would be interesting to hear.

Play Safe.

FernandoAlonso
02-04-10, 13:16
Thanks for the mandarin tonal breakdown for a blowjob request.Actually more important is that it gets spoken huwei with the u in huwei almost not pronounced, a little like the wei for hallo on the phone with an H in front. If you say "hui" nobody will get it.

Good luck

FA

Dan Hawaii
02-04-10, 15:47
I'm drunk and in Hawaii, just wanted to shout out that I love you guys!!!

Santa
FreePeaks
BSDave
SEAJ
JimTraveller
BruceTea
Wadman
OAH

I'm really glad that I got to get to know you guys better this past trip.

Life is awesome!

Bob Builder
02-05-10, 04:35
Hi brothers!

I've been traveling and haven't checked the board for about a week. I guess my comments about BBS' touched a nerve. Sorry to be a contributing factor to the low signal-to-noise ratio on the board. Speaking of which...where is SEA Joe? LOL (just joking, man!)

For the record... I don't know what the fcuks gonna happen anywhere, just like the rest of us. It's all just opinions and hear-say anyway. And my opinion/speculation/future-casting is probably alot less accurate than some of you guys with networks into the local gov't.

Take nothing I say too seriously! LOL

However, Bob, I would love it if you did ask your contact in the local CP gov't about what the over-arching strategy is vis-a-vis the small bbs shops. That would be interesting to hear.

Play Safe.

I'm not the one theorizing about BBSs disappering due to econonic change in certain areas as speculation about this happening surfaces here every year around Chinese New Year when there are less gals around. And I joke with my buddy in the SZ govt about him being on the know where to invest in property, not where BBSs are moving.

As for Joe, I recently got a PM saying there certain posters here are upset at him and want him banished to his own thread. Not sure if this is responsible for his absence but the timing... Don't shoot the messenger on this one, guys!

Sukhumvitter
02-06-10, 05:23
And I joke with my buddy in the SZ govt about him being on the know where to invest in property, not where BBSs are moving.

guys!

Well, if you have any real estate tips, send them over! LOL

I'll be back to CP after CNY and so maybe we can enjoy the enduring presence of the BBS shops by going on a Chicken run together one afternoon!

Play Safe!

Bob Builder
02-06-10, 09:37
Well, if you have any real estate tips, send them over! LOL

I'll be back to CP after CNY and so maybe we can enjoy the enduring presence of the BBS shops by going on a Chicken run together one afternoon!

Play Safe!

I have not been able to contact my friend for over a year. Called his mobile phone jst before CNY last year and a woman answered saying that he was "away" and back after CNY last year. Tried calling him a few times since then and same woman answers saying that she will get him to call me when he is back. Strange that he did not take his phone with him so I wonder where "away" he is?

California8
02-06-10, 11:00
Sorry for the late report, I submitted but a guess a problem with VPN. A few weeks back with help from BSDave, he called and reserved a room and a fun gal for me at Yu Zu Tang. That is the name on the card I picked up, it is northeast and across the street from the train station.

Gal had some baby fat and big boobs stuffed into a low cut pink top with tie strings in front. I guessed early 20's. Regular footie procedure until she undoes the belt and pulls down the zipper then sits between your legs with your legs over hers. Slowly works the thighs and increasing my anticipation as I get a good look at her cleavage. She pulls my pants down and starts a slow HJ, darn my hands are not long enough so I have to way lean forward to untie her top and let her melons spill out.

After HE, she cleans me up and continues with the rest of the rub down. Two hours, 140RMB.

Cal8

Santa
02-06-10, 11:03
As for Joe, I recently got a PM saying there certain posters here are upset at him and want him banished to his own thread. Not sure if this is responsible for his absence but the timing... Don't shoot the messenger on this one, guys!

Many of us got the same PM from Jackson asking for our opinions on this and I will openly give mine.

Joe does become argumentative, because he doesn't suffer fools lightly and finds it difficult to just ignore them. But he is not an antagonist. Sometimes he dominates the thread by posting a lot, but the vast majority of his posts are useful. He is nearly always willing to help others, and he stays on the subject of women without getting into political posts, etc. And his posts are well written.

I see no reason for him to be given a seperate thread. Any comments?

I guess he decided not to post for a while and to see how things evolve.

Dan Hawaii
02-06-10, 11:36
Many of us got the same PM from Jackson asking for our opinions on this and I will openly give mine.

Joe does become argumentative, because he doesn't suffer fools lightly and finds it difficult to just ignore them. But he is not an antagonist. Sometimes he dominates the thread by posting a lot, but the vast majority of his posts are useful. He is nearly always willing to help others, and he stays on the subject of women without getting into political posts, etc. And his posts are well written.

I see no reason for him to be given a seperate thread. Any comments?

I guess he decided not to post for a while and to see how things evolve.
Ditto. I must concur.

He really has a lot of useful information and has helped me on many occasions, on the forum and in person. It would be sad to see his banter disappear. See how boring this thread got with his abscence.

Meiguoguizi
02-06-10, 13:55
Many of us got the same PM from Jackson asking for our opinions on this and I will openly give mine.

Joe does become argumentative, because he doesn't suffer fools lightly and finds it difficult to just ignore them. But he is not an antagonist. Sometimes he dominates the thread by posting a lot, but the vast majority of his posts are useful. He is nearly always willing to help others, and he stays on the subject of women without getting into political posts, etc. And his posts are well written.

I see no reason for him to be given a seperate thread. Any comments?

I guess he decided not to post for a while and to see how things evolve.


I concur. I also received Jackson's inquiry. SEAJ's contributions are valuable and supportive in nature. It would be a significant loss if he was relegated to his own thread.

Pointpanic
02-06-10, 15:23
He is the best intelectual on this site! I defer to him as the true voice of ChangPing. He who begat BSD! He along with OAH, Bill Lee and Santa should be carved into the stone mountain in the ChangPing Railside park a la Mt Rushmore. I depend on Joe to give me the true sense of what is happening in CP. His perspective and validation as to what is happening in CP helps me determine when to be in CP. He who is brave enough to call down on those who have a false sense of self worth and call them on dis-respecting our CP mei meis. Thank God for Joe.

Glad you made it back Santa. I remember well the night you left.

Point


Many of us got the same PM from Jackson asking for our opinions on this and I will openly give mine.

Joe does become argumentative, because he doesn't suffer fools lightly and finds it difficult to just ignore them. But he is not an antagonist. Sometimes he dominates the thread by posting a lot, but the vast majority of his posts are useful. He is nearly always willing to help others, and he stays on the subject of women without getting into political posts, etc. And his posts are well written.

I see no reason for him to be given a seperate thread. Any comments?

I guess he decided not to post for a while and to see how things evolve.

Bob Builder
02-06-10, 18:04
He is off on another famous mongering website terrorizing people there and that site promotes your status for doing it.

Jamie5063
02-06-10, 18:12
As for Joe, I recently got a PM saying there certain posters here are upset at him and want him banished to his own thread. Not sure if this is responsible for his absence but the timing... Don't shoot the messenger on this one, guys!

Joe is great on the the board for info, and sorting out things come back Joe.
It may be the internet proxys I've noticed things have gone a bit quiet and I'm having to turn on the VPN for the overseas Google news sites .DE .UK sometimes working but not clicking though, Maybe the holiday and some chick taken him home.

Weelock
02-06-10, 20:36
He is off on another famous mongering website terrorizing people there and that site promotes your status for doing it.


Yea, he's a KING there.......I just hope one of these days, there is not a revolt like on ISG to chop off his head. It's just one guy complaining about him on ISG.

Freepeaks
02-06-10, 21:33
Joe does become argumentative, because he doesn't suffer fools lightly and finds it difficult to just ignore them. But he is not an antagonist. Sometimes he dominates the thread by posting a lot, but the vast majority of his posts are useful. He is nearly always willing to help others, and he stays on the subject of women without getting into political posts, etc. And his posts are well written.

I see no reason for him to be given a seperate thread. Any comments?


Could not have said it better... and in fact this is exactly Joe's personality, he doesn't tolerate stupidity or arrogance. I for one see no reason to push him to a seperate thread. Look at the lack of photos without him for one....

OldAsiaHand
02-07-10, 03:26
I only have one thing to say,

"Get your ass back on the board and start posting again!"

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
02-07-10, 03:27
He is off on another famous mongering website terrorizing people there and that site promotes your status for doing it.

Yes, he is already a Lord or something over there.

OAH

Member #4515
02-07-10, 04:01
So, Come back Joe. We all miss you. I am sure you are a decent man.

BruceTea
02-07-10, 04:22
Yea, he's a KING there.......I just hope one of these days there is not a revolt like on ISG, to chop off his head. It's just one guy complaining about him on ISG.


He's GURU here. He's given so much useful and enlightening posts that as readers, we are given entertaining information that makes us coming back for more. Meeting him in person each and every time is also an honor. He brings newbies and regulars under his wings and shares without ever asking for anything in return. Yes, he's one of the Rushmore figureheads of DG, but he's also a contributor to other threads. A most definite YES, he should be able to post anywhere on the forum.

Those posting negative of SEAJ (and subsequently attacking BSDave by association) are regularly refuted by contributing members of the forum. I hope complaints against anyone here are for constant troublemakers who break the rules, ignorant trolls whose main reason is to stir trouble, or those against the purpose of ISG.

Since it's Chinese New Year, let's close off this year and this thread and label it "2009 Dongguan" and start afresh with a new "Dongguan" thereby giving everyone a new plate to post the best secrets of DG not found anywhere else on the 'net.

Happy CNY.

Bob Builder
02-07-10, 08:14
And while we are at it lets bring back AG and OWL because the only reason they got their own forums is that they pissed Joe off and he got on their case.

Weelock
02-07-10, 08:52
And while we are at it lets bring back AG and OWL because the only reason they got their own forums is that they pissed Joe off and he got on their case.

Actually, AG didn't pissed off Joe and then get his thread. He did something bad which I'm not going to get into. AG had some very good information from time to time. He has not posted for sometime in his thread.

For OWL, he got busted for lies and exaggerations of stories. Some of his stories just didn't add up. He got caught be several people. There were other things like use of bad language ( Fuk......). There was a mob against him.

I don't think anything is going to happen to Joe. It's just one guy complaining. There is too much support for him, unlike AG and OWL. He always tell me, "Don't take it too serious" like this forum.

"I am a Swedish guy, blond hair, about 6'3" be careful of me".

PS. Be careful of your PM I know for a fact the administrator reads some of them.

SE Asia Joe
02-07-10, 11:39
I am truly humbled and grateful for all of your support.

When I saw the posts here, I went ahead and PM'd Jackson and he very quickly and gracefully replied that I'm all good to go. My hat's off to Jackson for remaining the fair Forum Moderator that he is.

Thanks Jackson!

Now, I guess I'd better come up with something good or you guys are gonna get on my case huh?

OK - off to CP tomorrow and will report back "my findings' soonest.

Again Thank You very much, my Gentlemen Friends

SEAJ

Bob Builder
02-07-10, 17:13
Actually, AG didn't pissed off Joe and then get his thread. He did something bad which I'm not going to get into. AG had some very good information from time to time. He has not posted for sometime in is thread now.

For OWL, he got busted for lies and exaggerations of stories. Some of his stories just didn't add up. He got caught be several people. There were other things like use of bad language ( Fuk......). There was a mob against him.

I don't think anything is going to happen to Joe. It's just one guy complaining. There is too much support for him, unlike AG and OWL. He always tell me, "Don't take it too serious" like this forum.

"I am a Swedish guy, blond hair, about 6'3" be careful of me".

PS. Be careful of your PM I know for a fact the administrator reads some of them.

Weelock,

Thanks for the advice regarding the PMs and "I am sure that the admin reads them".

I am not sure what AG did but "on the forum" it appeared as pissing contest on who had more pull in CP and Joe even went into his forum to goad him.

As for OWL, I have friends like him who you would think be the last person to pull a hot freebie in China but I have seen it with my own eyes so I think anything is possible.

And I am an Ivy League MBA grad ABC who speaks perfect putonghua, drives a 5 series and works for a MNC in China.

BB

Robin Mill
02-07-10, 17:52
I am truly humbled and grateful for all of your support.

When I saw the posts here, I went ahead and PM'd Jackson and he very quickly and gracefully replied that I'm all good to go. My hat's off to Jackson for remaining the fair Forum Moderator that he is.

Thanks Jackson!

Now, I guess I'd better come up with something good or you guys are gonna get on my case huh?

OK - off to CP tomorrow and will report back "my findings' soonest.

Again Thank You very much, my Gentlemen Friends

SEAJDamn! You off to CP again?!!!

Grrrr.

It must have cost a bomb for a young swedish guy like you to fly from Europe to China so often.

Good to see you back!

Hey, one of the reason I paid my subscription here is to hear SEAJ grip about issues!

Always entertaining, always enlightening!

SE Asia Joe
02-07-10, 18:11
Weelock,

I am not sure what AG did but "on the forum" it appeared as pissing contest on who had more pull in CP and Joe even went into his forum to goad him.

As for OWL, I have friends like him who you would think be the last person to pull a hot freebie in China but I have seen it with my own eyes so I think anything is possible.

And I am an Ivy League MBA grad ABC who speaks perfect putonghua, drives a 5 series and works for a MNC in China.

BB
AG was relegated to his own thread BEFORE I got active on the boards
OWL - well OWL is another story altogether ain't he?

SEAJ

Sound7
02-07-10, 18:11
Huan1ying4

Back to work.

Shi


I am truly humbled and grateful for all of your support.

When I saw the posts here, I went ahead and PM'd Jackson and he very quickly and gracefully replied that I'm all good to go. My hat's off to Jackson for remaining the fair Forum Moderator that he is.

Thanks Jackson!

Now, I guess I'd better come up with something good or you guys are gonna get on my case huh?

OK - off to CP tomorrow and will report back "my findings' soonest.

Again Thank You very much, my Gentlemen Friends

SEAJ

Santa
02-07-10, 18:26
Weelock,


I am not sure what AG did but "on the forum" it appeared as pissing contest on who had more pull in CP and Joe even went into his forum to goad him.

As for OWL, I have friends like him who you would think be the last person to pull a hot freebie in China but I have seen it with my own eyes so I think anything is possible.



I think the story was that AG was posting under multiple handles, then using those handles to be critical of others and to praise himself. At least, i think various members reported that to Jackson, and Jackson decided that to be true.

I don't know anything about it myself, or what evidence Jackson may have had, just saying what I heard. I don't think it had anything to do with "who had the most pull".

Also, I don't think Joe went into AGs thread "to goad him", but there was some dispute between them, which is now probably best left alone. Again, I don't know the details, but I think we should not try to rehash that. It's "water under the bridge". Long gone!

That said, I know AG personally, he made many useful posts, and he is a good guy in his own way.

I never met OWL. Don't know much about OWL's case, except that I think he became very angry at one point and started swearing and making stupid threats, and that caused Jackson to react. One member making threats against another is definately not allowed. Anyway, whatever it was, it was Jackson's call.

Again, I don't think it had anything to do with "who had the most pull".

We all have our faults. I have mine, and I know Joe also has his, and those guys had theirs. And Builder Bob is no angel either. And if Jackson decides something, it's his call and his alone. I don't think he gives a fuck who we are, he is his own boss.

Bob Builder
02-08-10, 03:44
I think the story was that AG was posting under multiple handles, then using those handles to be critical of others and to praise himself. At least, i think various members reported that to Jackson, and Jackson decided that to be true.

I don't know anything about it myself, or what evidence Jackson may have had, just saying what I heard. I don't think it had anything to do with "who had the most pull".

Also, I don't think Joe went into AGs thread "to goad him", but there was some dispute between them, which is now probably best left alone. Again, I don't know the details, but I think we should not try to rehash that. It's "water under the bridge". Long gone!

That said, I know AG personally, he made many useful posts, and he is a good guy in his own way.

I never met OWL. Don't know much about OWL's case, except that I think he became very angry at one point and started swearing and making stupid threats, and that caused Jackson to react. One member making threats against another is definately not allowed. Anyway, whatever it was, it was Jackson's call.

Again, I don't think it had anything to do with "who had the most pull".

We all have our faults. I have mine, and I know Joe also has his, and those guys had theirs. And Builder Bob is no angel either. And if Jackson decides something, it's his call and his alone. I don't think he gives a fuck who we are, he is his own boss.


Well that's how it appeared to me byreading the forum so that's why wondered out loud what anyone had done so bad that they warranted getting kicked off.

As for goading, if you read AG's forum, one of the more "recent" posts is Joe and he arguing about the most accurate price of booze.

Did anyone actually take OWL's ball kicking skills seriously, LOL? While guys who write great reports about where they went are appreciated, ones written by guys that are a little inept in their dealings in China are good for a laugh.

And anyone that disagrees with me will get beaten to death with the 14 inch silicone dildo I always carry with me!

SE Asia Joe
02-08-10, 06:03
Well that's how it appeared to me byreading the forum so that's why wondered out loud what anyone had done so bad that they warranted getting kicked off.

As for goading, if you read AG's forum, one of the more "recent" posts is Joe and he arguing about the most accurate price of booze.

Did anyone actually take OWL's ball kicking skills seriously, LOL? While guys who write great reports about where they went are appreciated, ones written by guys that are a little inept in their dealings in China are good for a laugh.

And anyone that disagrees with me will get beaten to death with the 14 inch silicone dildo I always carry with me!

errrr.... methinks you're probably stirring up a storm in a teacup.

I'ts over and done with and not worth it to reprise.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Santa
02-08-10, 06:23
Actually, AG told me personally he was very very happy to have his own thread, that he had wanted it. He may have requested his own thread himself, and maybe it had nothing to do with what some of us thought. He certainly made a great effort to promote it and make it work.

And, I believe he personally invited Joe to post there.

As for OWL, any kind of "personal threats" against other members are not tolerated by Jackson, even if they are just stupid bullshit. Serious violation, just not allowed.

This debate is getting old and I think we now know as much as we need.

Moody
02-08-10, 06:35
OWL - well OWL is another story altogether ain't he?

SEAJ

I thought you were OWL. At least that's what you told me when I first met you. ;)

Sound7
02-08-10, 07:43
Legend Lives On !

Who is who?

Like a folk story.

Bob Builder
02-08-10, 08:04
errrr.... methinks you're probably stirring up a storm in a teacup.

I'ts over and done with and not worth it to reprise.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Joe, you are the spoon that does the stirring.

Not a problem but I just couldn't see how some people were cut out as I had no problems with them even though I didn't agree with everything they did and willing to leave it at that. There are others who have been more offensive and over the course of time disappear themselves.

I would like to see what would happen if these guys were let back on the general forum.

Dan Hawaii
02-08-10, 09:21
I never met OWL. Don't know much about OWL's case.
Hey Santa, I thought you knew OWL, he even had your CP cell number? Wasn't OWL calling you, while he was in CP, looking for someone??? ;) LOL

Bob Builder
02-08-10, 10:38
Hey Bob,

Just wondering. Really why are you carrying a 14 inch dildo with you all the time? Is your not working right? Jk man.. Hope its working and all. LOL

All the best.

I show it to all the gals and say the reason they make them that big is that all foreigners are that big so the next time a little Chinese gal refuses to go with you, that is what she is thinking about being, impaled on the end of one if those. It makes them more grateful for my small inches.

Bnlee2
02-09-10, 06:26
I'm headed back in two months, early May. I'm going to get a KTV room and invite all you guys in and give you guys a copy of Bob's 14inch silicone dildos each. Then I'm going to close the lights so that all you guys can get your agression out. Maybe then we could get back to mongering, ***** chasing, the real reason why we love dongguan/CP so much.

Quoting Rodney King, "Can't we all get along". Sorry guys, I will not be joining you guys in the darken KTV room. I'll will be on "flower street" choosing me a few gals to please me for the night. I may send in a few sexy nurses to go into the room when the fighting stops.

Maybe afterward, I can give a call to OWL to have him give us some demonstration on how would incapacitate ten attacker in China. That should give you a good laugh or two. I be taking bets on how many "balls" he can smash with his kicks in ten seconds.

Guys. Lets get back to business. Monkey business

Big Swingin Dave
02-09-10, 06:50
Saw a dramatic slow down in the number of patrons as well as WGs this weekend and it should continue until the weekend after CNY. After that, then everything else should be back to normal. Probably the best time to come for fresh WGs is two weeks after CNY as they have been recruited by their friends and families for greater fortunes of the South. I myself is getting out of Dodge from 2/11 - 2/16, back on the 17th. Happy Chinese New Year everyone!

Gong Xi Fa Cai (恭喜发财)

BSD

SE Asia Joe
02-09-10, 18:03
It really is quite different in CP this week.

Hardly sees the mongers that usually is all over the place and there is markedly less girls out and about too.

BS Dave and another buddy tells me that the KTV's were also very slow. Only max 100 gals at the Mayflower and Dave even managed to get for our buddy a gal from a KTV WITHOUT even taking up a room - as the mommies just wants the gals to make some money.

On the other hand, surprisingly SOME of the BBS's are quite well stocked.

Today went first to the Jun Hui and it had more mommies than gals at 4 pm!
But there were quite a few good ones - even Crazy gal - the one with the big tits and is a blast to be around with was still there - but was just up to give some money to the mommy, getting ready to go home. Oh well!

Went over to Baby's and Lo and Behold!! At least 2 dozen gals there!! NOT the best quality wise - and as Xuer/poppa says - well.... these are the girls that hasn't gone home yet as they've not earned enough money; the "Stars" got enough bucks and have gone home!!

My buddy and I did though manage to pick out 2 of the best.

Mine was one of these gals who are painfully shy and NOT a sales man at all. She was hunched over trying to avert everybody's gaze when I spotted her.

Got her back and although it took me a while to "open" her up - she really was very very nice to be with. Very polite, personable, willing to please and..... multi-orgasmic!! What a find on such a gloomy day. And although her body ain't all that great (a bit fat and smallish tits) her smile OHMIGAWD - such a pretty smile and face!!

And I really got my money's worth. Did her once in the afternoo, after which she fell asleep as she was just all tuckered out, then got her up and took her to Pozolim for a footie and clay pot rice - and it was back in the coal mines afterwards. Sweaty earth moving action.... and I just bade her good night!!

And I bid you all a good night too!!

SEAJ

Sound7
02-09-10, 18:29
GongXiFaCai - Happy CNY/ Feb 17 Fresh WG ?
China News yesterday, crackdown including cellphone postings.
Crackdown period CNY till April 2010
Be safe .. LE



Saw a dramatic slow down in the number of patrons as well as WGs this weekend and it should continue until the weekend after CNY. After that, then everything else should be back to normal. Probably the best time to come for fresh WGs is two weeks after CNY as they have been recruited by their friends and families for greater fortunes of the South. I myself is getting out of Dodge from 2/11 - 2/16, back on the 17th. Happy Chinese New Year everyone!

Gong Xi Fa Cai (恭喜发财)

BSD

Neo The One
02-10-10, 04:55
Guys,

I will be in CP (staying in Miraton) from 12th to 15th Feb. Anyone free, can meet up and have a good time together.

Freepeaks
02-10-10, 08:11
Every girl I have spoken to is either on a train or bus at this point. The few remaining must be bottom of the barrel. I know there are a few that will stay through, even the average ones I know have left by now to avoid the craziness this friday / saturday.

one poor girl was QQing me on a bus while she was getting carsick the whole time to hunan. that has to suck.

Pointpanic
02-10-10, 11:18
Great post Joe. This is the ol' Joe we all know and love. Made me feel like I am right there with you in good ol' CP with the gang even though its New Year's weekend coming up. Thank you for a great respite on a very busy day. Keep em coming Joe! Xin nian Kuai Le!

Point


It really is quite different in CP this week.

Hardly sees the mongers that usually is all over the place and there is markedly less girls out and about too.

BS Dave and another buddy tells me that the KTV's were also very slow. Only max 100 gals at the Mayflower and Dave even managed to get for our buddy a gal from a KTV WITHOUT even taking up a room - as the mommies just wants the gals to make some money.

On the other hand, surprisingly SOME of the BBS's are quite well stocked.

Today went first to the Jun Hui and it had more mommies than gals at 4 pm!
But there were quite a few good ones - even Crazy gal - the one with the big tits and is a blast to be around with was still there - but was just up to give some money to the mommy, getting ready to go home. Oh well!

Went over to Baby's and Lo and Behold!! At least 2 dozen gals there!! NOT the best quality wise - and as Xuer/poppa says - well.... these are the girls that hasn't gone home yet as they've not earned enough money; the "Stars" got enough bucks and have gone home!!

My buddy and I did though manage to pick out 2 of the best.

Mine was one of these gals who are painfully shy and NOT a sales man at all. She was hunched over trying to avert everybody's gaze when I spotted her.

Got her back and although it took me a while to "open" her up - she really was very very nice to be with. Very polite, personable, willing to please and..... multi-orgasmic!! What a find on such a gloomy day. And although her body ain't all that great (a bit fat and smallish tits) her smile OHMIGAWD - such a pretty smile and face!!

And I really got my money's worth. Did her once in the afternoo, after which she fell asleep as she was just all tuckered out, then got her up and took her to Pozolim for a footie and clay pot rice - and it was back in the coal mines afterwards. Sweaty earth moving action.... and I just bade her good night!!

And I bid you all a good night too!!

SEAJ

BruceTea
02-10-10, 11:49
I will be in CP (staying in Miraton) from 12th to 15th Feb. Anyone free, can meet up and have a good time together.

That's a pretty rough time to be there. Ironic you also mentioned "free"...

At least you are within walking distance from a lot of forms of fun. That may save you a bit on taxi rides since I'm sure they'll charge a flat 10 rmb or extra rmb's on top of the regular fare.

A friend advised me to prepare several red envelops with 10 rmb inside them. During Chinese New Year, you may be hard pressed to provide a good luck gesture to just about anyone who provides service when everyone else is at home celebrating with family. Tips Tips Tips.


Good luck and please report back.

SE Asia Joe
02-10-10, 15:09
Great post Joe. This is the ol' Joe we all know and love. Made me feel like I am right there with you in good ol' CP with the gang even though its New Year's weekend coming up. Thank you for a great respite on a very busy day. Keep em coming Joe! Xin nian Kuai Le!

Point
Thanks.... and i just high-tailed it out of town as each day brings yet another "curtailment!

Went on a chicken run just now and guess what??!!! Baby's shop and upstairs was CLOSED!! My buddy and I was flabbergasted and instead of going to the Yalan shops, figured that our best bet would be just to head straight to the Jun Hui and was relieved to find it still open.... barely.... as the gals were all hidden in room 888 - the largest KTV room i/o the usual main lounge. Reason given - Spring cleaning at first and then one of the mommies cursing away at all these crack-downs and shake-downs forcing them to "retreat" to the room.

There were about a dozen or so gals - all seemingly pre-occupied with thoughts of their "fate" here, as they WERE a gloomy bunch.

My Extra tall no-tit Guangdong gal - a Xiu - was there and I figured - heck why not? She's a pleasant enough gal and I always get along with her.

Took her back.... but all this familiarity worked its devil ways with me. We chatted, up-dating each other and then started playing with my "paraphenelias" and had quite a good time experimenting with which ones got her off best.

Then she got on me and we got going....and then my business friend phoned .... we chatted about some deal.... with A Xiu getting all bored on top of me!! Finished with the phone call and she started chatting with me about everything else but sex... and of course li'l bro just wilted.

Cain't believe it, cain't believe it!!!

Probably my last Ox year gal in CP and I couldn't get the job done!!

Oh well!!

SEAJ

Old Mean Dog
02-10-10, 17:39
After this weekend I will probably go to Thailand for a while.

I'm back in Thailand after a week in AC, so quit contemplating it and book a flight. Can meet you in BKK or you come up here. CP is gonna be dead during CNY and I would hate to see you have pussy withdrawal.

-OMD

AsnDragon
02-11-10, 05:14
SEAJoe,


You see...that's what you get for trying to be such a Casanova with your girl all the time. You end up being all soft hearted...one thing leads to another and you just end up losing your mood to even want to do anything anymore.

A week or two from now, you'll be jovial once again, when you find that all of your BBS is fully stocked with old, new, young and pretty girls again. As long as there's still a breath in you, there's a new tomorrow of fun and adventure in CP waiting for you.


AsnDragon



Thanks.... and i just high-tailed it out of town as each day brings yet another "curtailment!

Went on a chicken run just now and guess what??!!! Baby's shop and upstairs was CLOSED!! My buddy and I was flabbergasted and instead of going to the Yalan shops, figured that our best bet would be just to head straight to the Jun Hui and was relieved to find it still open.... barely.... as the gals were all hidden in room 888 - the largest KTV room i/o the usual main lounge. Reason given - Spring cleaning at first and then one of the mommies cursing away at all these crack-downs and shake-downs forcing them to "retreat" to the room.

There were about a dozen or so gals - all seemingly pre-occupied with thoughts of their "fate" here, as they WERE a gloomy bunch.

My Extra tall no-tit Guangdong gal - a Xiu - was there and I figured - heck why not? She's a pleasant enough gal and I always get along with her.

Took her back.... but all this familiarity worked its devil ways with me. We chatted, up-dating each other and then started playing with my "paraphenelias" and had quite a good time experimenting with which ones got her off best.

Then she got on me and we got going....and then my business friend phoned .... we chatted about some deal.... with A Xiu getting all bored on top of me!! Finished with the phone call and she started chatting with me about everything else but sex... and of course li'l bro just wilted.

Cain't believe it, cain't believe it!!!

Probably my last Ox year gal in CP and I couldn't get the job done!!

Oh well!!

SEAJ

Weelock
02-11-10, 07:37
A PM from AG. I edit some stuff out....but I don't change the contents.
BTW: I asked AG before posting.
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My friend living in Southern China (he is also moderating my forum on my behalf) as just alerted me that I was mentioned in the DG thread.

After reading your post and 1 page of DG thread I would like let you know of a slight correction to what you mentioned.

How did I get my own forum:

Very simple: Jackson asked me if I want my own forum as I was complaining too much about people attacking me. (Of course this started with my incident with Azn Player in which Jackson eventually found out the truth and Banned to his own thread)

And I agreed with it, but also make a viw to Jackson that I will never post on the main board after having my own thread. (I think Jackson did eventually disable my rights to post outside my own forum).

You are right about Joe & I, we never pissed anyone of us off.

However another note: after I had handed the moderation of AG's forum to someone, I had since retired from ISG and not post anymore. If you see posting on my forum from my handle, it is likely not from me.

---cut---

I left out some personal stuff

---cut---

Because it is a open forum and people are entilted to voice their opinion. And that is why I prefer not to post on open board anymore.

Weelock
02-11-10, 07:53
As for OWL, I have friends like him who you would think be the last person to pull a hot freebie in China but I have seen it with my own eyes so I think anything is possible.


It seems like OWL is still active on the China Thread. He made a comment about me and Santa on his thread....My comments and Santa's comments about him hit a nerve. I didn't see anything about B Builder.

It look like someone passed some private information to him on one of his post.

Bob Builder
02-11-10, 10:30
It seems like OWL is still active on the China Thread. He made a comment about me and Santa on his thread....My comments and Santa's comments about him hit a nerve. I didn't see anything about B Builder.

It look like someone passed some private information to him on one of his post.

I'm not sure what you mean by passing on private info so what are implying? Just remember if someone is banned from posting on the open forum, they are still perfectly able to read what is written here which I gather from his comments, is exactly what he did.

And the reason you may not have seen any comments on me is that I think what he posted may be a little incredulous in some cases but didn't attack him, so no retaliation against me. I read, some of his stuff, said "Sounds like Bullshit" to myself and moved on. From what I remember most of the disagreements were about his ability to pull freebies and what he did with them. Not having met the guy in person how do you know for certain what he written has no chance of being the truth? In addition, I have met people in person that I have first contacted on the web and in real life, they bear no resemblence to their online personas.

SE Asia Joe
02-11-10, 17:10
SEAJoe,


You see...that's what you get for trying to be such a Casanova with your girl all the time. You end up being all soft hearted...one thing leads to another and you just end up losing your mood to even want to do anything anymore.

A week or two from now, you'll be jovial once again, when you find that all of your BBS is fully stocked with old, new, young and pretty girls again. As long as there's still a breath in you, there's a new tomorrow of fun and adventure in CP waiting for you.


AsnDragon
Yes and no.

I actually think that my "problems" with A Xiu is the fact that I look at her as being such a "kid" and I just end up being "fatherly" to her... Can you imagine feeling fatherly at 26 Y.O.??

But that is how I ended up feeling when she started asking me for advise, discussing things that my daughter would also discuss with me.... the whole thing just ended up feeling so weird for me that I just couldn't keep "it" up! Shit and double shit!!

And when it comes to paying her - it was like I was giving an allowance to my daughter - and ended up paying more than I usually do. IDIOT!!

Oh well - like you said - comes the new year and the new crop - and I'll be raring to go again!!

Wish me luck!!

SEAJ

BruceTea
02-11-10, 17:16
And when it comes to paying her - it was like I was giving an allowance to my daughter - and ended up paying more than I usually do. IDIOT!!




I'm having trouble with homework... please help me out.

Complete the following sentence....

"You can't teach an old dog ____________."

SE Asia Joe
02-11-10, 17:27
I'm having trouble with homework... please help me out.

Complete the following sentence....

"You can't teach an old dog ____________."
ROFLMAO!!

Yes yes I got that coming. I certainly did!

And the damn thing about it all is that she was just ever so eager to please me. Damn it all that I couldn't enjoy it all the way I SHOULD!!

Like playing with all my Li'l paraphenelia when we first started - to double check what I found out with my shy gal of the previous night! She really field tested all of them and I had a blast watching her masturbate - and actually coming - with all the different ones. And afterwards she gave me her "rating" of each one LOL!!

OK - howzabout this - she volunteered to hang around with me until the time I needed to make the particular train I was catching - and she spent at least 2-3/4 hours with me. That surely allows me to be bit more generous - right?

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
02-11-10, 17:49
I have met AG many times and OWL only 1 time briefly in Zhuhai. Santa was supposed to meet OWL but he took the wrong train and arrived late. AG also met OWL in ZH that time.

OWL is quite different in person than he is on the forum. IMHO, he is living in a fantasy world but I was OK with the guy until he started attacking senior members on this board (some my good mates), as well as, myself, I never could understand why me since I was always cordial to the guy even offering him advice on his pursuit of a freebie in Beijing. I guess he got all up in arms when members did not believe his fantasies.

AG, IMHO, on the other hand, is a genuinely nice guy. He has always gone out of his way to assist me when I visit SH. That said, he does not take criticism very well and his ego gets in the way of his better judgement sometimes. However, unlike OWL, he does not have any malicious intent to hurt anybody. We had a couple of misunderstandings concerning the sharing of personal information on this board and with certain mongering industry people. That is now water under the bridge.

Just my POV.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48
02-11-10, 18:01
I have met AG many times and OWL only 1 time briefly in Zhuhai. Santa was supposed to meet OWL but he took the wrong train and arrived late. AG also met OWL in ZH that time.

OWL is quite different in person than he is on the forum. IMHO, he is living in a fantasy world but I was OK with the guy until he started attacking senior members on this board (some my good mates), as well as, myself, I never could understand why me since I was always cordial to the guy even offering him advice on his pursuit of a freebie in Beijing. I guess he got all up in arms when members did not believe his fantasies.

AG, IMHO, on the other hand, is a genuinely nice guy. He has always gone out of his way to assist me when I visit SH. That said, he does not take criticism very well and his ego gets in the way of his better judgement sometimes. However, unlike OWL, he does not have any malicious intent to hurt anybody. We had a couple of misunderstandings concerning the sharing of personal information on this board and with certain mongering industry people. That is now water under the bridge.

Just my POV.

OAHOAH,

I agree with you I also have meet them both in person, I have mongering with OWL in Shenzhen find that he is a nice guy don't speak any madarin and I also meet AG he is also a nice person, I not sure why he attack you guys but he never attack me, by the way what you think of SEAJ.

Fast Eddie 48

Bob Builder
02-11-10, 18:04
This started because I supported Joe and thought that he should in no means be banned from the forum. And the others let back in as nothing appeared so serious "to me" that it couldn't have been sorted out by itself. Maybe because I was not attacked by any of them or was that offended by what they said, it didn't seem a big deal to me.

Sorry I brought it up and if all 3 never post again, it won't be a problem with me either.

And I just had a gal come to my place and BBBJCIM so I not as wound up as others here who are worrying there will be no gals around for CNY!

Kung Hei Fat Choi, guys!

Dan Hawaii
02-11-10, 21:27
AG, IMHO, on the other hand, is a genuinely nice guy. He has always gone out of his way to assist me when I visit SH. That said, he does not take criticism very well and his ego gets in the way of his better judgement sometimes.
OAH
Ditto, I have met AG also, and he is a real stand up guy. During my CP fledgling days, I partied with him for several days, even traveled with him to ZMT and GoodView. He was always friendly, fun, and always giving me good/correct information. I recently partied with him at Hui Hua, and he still is the same, a real nice stand up guy.

I think I never see the bad side of people, because I never do business in China or even attempt to do any business. However, being in businesses, back here stateside, I like to hear business stories, because I learn a lot about chinese business. I'm not gullable, but I do believe a lot of stuff people tell me. I mean, why not, I'm just trying to find out, "where the pussies at". ;)

Bnlee2
02-12-10, 00:07
Guys.

Lets stop bickering over nothing. Really nothing. Lets get back to finding WGs' and discuss about how we are nailing these gals. Oh. BTW and post some pics to boot.

SE Asia Joe
02-12-10, 08:16
Ditto, I have met AG also, and he is a real stand up guy. During my CP fledgling days, I partied with him for several days, even traveled with him to ZMT and GoodView. He was always friendly, fun, and always giving me good/correct information. I recently partied with him at Hui Hua, and he still is the same, a real nice stand up guy.

I think I never see the bad side of people, because I never do business in China or even attempt to do any business. However, being in businesses, back here stateside, I like to hear business stories, because I learn a lot about chinese business. I'm not gullable, but I do believe a lot of stuff people tell me. I mean, why not, I'm just trying to find out, "where the pussies at". ;)
Know what? That's what I think of AG too - a personable, helpful and experienced monger in person - but a totally different personnae on the boards.

Strange!
I wonder if it's even the same guy?! LOL!

As for OWL - he's now even trying to put it across on his section as if he was buddy buddy with Bill Lee - and this is really a new low for him to do such, with a guy who's already passed away. Bill was the guy who pointed out OWL to me and advised me to not have anything to do with him as he's a real wanker.

Damn..... and here I was trying to be Mr. nice guy these days @#$%#@$

Old habit die hard!

Especially when it concerns somebody I find truly irritating/idiotic. OOOPS!!

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
02-12-10, 12:30
As for OWL - he's now even trying to put it across on his section as if he was buddy buddy with Bill Lee - and this is really a new low for him to do such, with a guy who's already passed away. Bill was the guy who pointed out OWL to me and advised me to not have anything to do with him as he's a real wanker.

SEAJ,

Bill Lee also met OWL at the same time I did. It all started with an incident on LHL in ZH. Bill told OWL that the going rate for the SWs was 200 RMB ST. OWL paid his girl 500 RMB ST. Afterwards, he tried to deny that Bill had told him. I was sitting right next to them and heard the whole conversation. From that point on, Bill wrote him off as a BSD and wanted nothing to do with him.

There was a KTV mommy in CP that OWL claimed to have done. Another esteemed member of this forum did some research and found that the KTV mommy in question had never even met OWL.

And, the list goes on...

In line with requests to drop the subject, this will be the last you hear from me on the subject.

"Where's the pussy at?"

OAH

Bob Builder
02-12-10, 16:09
SEAJ,

Bill Lee also met OWL at the same time I did. It all started with an incident on LHL in ZH. Bill told OWL that the going rate for the SWs was 200 RMB ST. OWL paid his girl 500 RMB ST. Afterwards, he tried to deny that Bill had told him. I was sitting right next to them and heard the whole conversation. From that point on, Bill wrote him off as a BSD and wanted nothing to do with him.

There was a KTV mommy in CP that OWL claimed to have done. Another esteemed member of this forum did some research and found that the KTV mommy in question had never even met OWL.

And, the list goes on...

In line with requests to drop the subject, this will be the last you hear from me on the subject.

"Where's the pussy at?"

OAH

On a train, plane, or bus headed north.

Fuck bannishing the guy, overpaying by that much you should have beaten him to death on LHL and left his rotting corpse there as a reminder to others, LOL!

BruceTea
02-12-10, 16:31
paid his girl 500 RMB ST.




I did that once.

Saw a really hot girl leaving the hotel around 10 am. Got her #, texted her throughout the afternoon, and on her way to the KTV to work, she stopped by my hotel room around 5 pm.

blah blah chit chat... asked if she's there to do it or else she'd leave. Ah well, did it and kinda thought 300 rmb would suffice. Nope, she claimed that it is 500 rmb since she's a KTV girl and it's ST.

So, 40 or so minutes, did her once, no BJ, no real foreplay, no shower together, no after-deed cuddle, just biz transaction. 500 rmb. By all means it was my fault for not negotiating or knowing the price of such situation. And since it was close to 6, I wanted the deed to be over quick as I had a KTV gathering that evening. But it was a lesson learned and it made me feel bad for awhile. And she turned out to be not that hot.

500 ST for KTV, hanging out with you for 3 to 5 hours, and FS is ok.
But 500 ST for an hour of FS (especially at CP) with a girl who I'm not even sure is a KTV girl just made me feel a bit used.

Anyone else had a 500 rmb quickie in CP?

Moody
02-12-10, 18:57
Anyone else had a 500 rmb quickie in CP?

It didn't happen to me in CP, but one time, I did give a girl 800RMB in the morning. I got the girl from TX, took her to SZ, and she left in the morning on the train. Normally 800, maybe even more for train fare, would be ok for that. The thing is, my friend had given her 800 earlier in the evening when he did her in the bathroom of the KTV, and he already gave her 800. I wasn't really in the mood to argue too much, especially since she was pretty good. It did kinda poke me in the back of my mind that I was paying full price for sloppy seconds. To make it worse, I found out only later the fucker didn't even use a condom. Good thing I did.

Moody
02-12-10, 19:53
The people who read these forums are not stupid. They can quickly tell who the stupid losers are by their stupid, self-aggrandizing posts. People do have the rights to make fools out of themselves in these forums.

WOW! That's a really sharp observation... I kinda have to wonder why the many "people who read these forums" who are not stupid seem to all agree that Only Wanks Loser is a fool.

Weelock
02-13-10, 01:27
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AG, IMHO, on the other hand, is a genuinely nice guy. He has always gone out of his way to assist me when I visit SH. That said, he does not take criticism very well and his ego gets in the way of his better judgement sometimes. However, unlike OWL, he does not have any malicious intent to hurt anybody. We had a couple of misunderstandings concerning the sharing of personal information on this board and with certain mongering industry people. That is now water under the bridge.

Just my POV.

OAH

Yes, I agree with you about AG being a nice guy and he will go out of his way to help you. He has helped me one time with an argument. Another time, he posted about someone getting into trouble in SH. AG just met this guy first time from the forum. I think the other guy had an attitude. Well, this guy did someone stupid with a working girl and got into a fight with her backups. The police came and arrested everybody. This guy sat in jail for three to four days. AG helped him to get out and translate with police. I'm not sure but I think AG lend him some money to pay his fine at the station.

StinkyFeet
02-15-10, 19:23
i'm back in NYC and feeling intense physical and mental numbness, confusion, depression, and severe lost of focus.

SE Asia Joe
02-16-10, 05:23
i'm back in NYC and feeling intense physical and mental numbness, confusion, depression, and severe lost of focus.
Wait till you get extreme horniness thrown into the mix!! LOL!!

SEAJ

Douglas23
02-16-10, 06:59
Folks:

Sad that I am already planning my annual jaunt to China this early, but going out of my mind and determined to do it the right way this time.

Forgoing my usual side-trip to Shanghai - - I've finally given up on it as a mongering destination but of course love the vibe of city and chic look of the gals.... also considering giving up my Dongguan City side trip.

This leaves 7 full days and nights in CP - - Oct 24 - 30th ... while I agree CP can be a little like Vegas and four days is enough, I am thinking 7 nights of KTV - 3 afternoons of Sauna and maybe a few Foot Massages will be enough.

Hoping some brothers will be in town to coordinate the KTV fun alongside helpful BSDDave who was kind enough last time to network me in with an existing group he had KTV'ing and set me up with takeout at the Mayflower Flower Street alongside hotel ressies.

Dave - I will PM you to get ahead of hotel ressies (thinking Clipper again).

All -keep me posted via PM as to if we can assemble some party nights.

D23.

Jettsetter
02-16-10, 10:30
Folks:

Sad that I am already planning my annual jaunt to China this early, but going out of my mind and determined to do it the right way this time.

Forgoing my usual side-trip to Shanghai - - I've finally given up on it as a mongering destination but of course love the vibe of city and chic look of the gals.... also considering giving up my Dongguan City side trip.

This leaves 7 full days and nights in CP - - Oct 24 - 30th ... while I agree CP can be a little like Vegas and four days is enough, I am thinking 7 nights of KTV - 3 afternoons of Sauna and maybe a few Foot Massages will be enough.

Hoping some brothers will be in town to coordinate the KTV fun alongside helpful BSDDave who was kind enough last time to network me in with an existing group he had KTV'ing and set me up with takeout at the Mayflower Flower Street alongside hotel ressies.

Dave - I will PM you to get ahead of hotel ressies (thinking Clipper again).

All -keep me posted via PM as to if we can assemble some party nights.

D23.

Wow dude, that's some REALLY EARLY PLANNING... haha.... I know how you feel, but I think your trip planning and rallying is going to be a bit premature, considering we still have a good 8 months before your trip...

You know the draw of CP... make an excuse and come out for a week in between to "break the long dry spell".

I know of some guys recently who "claimed" they rarely ever go to CP, but since I've met that individual in October and been back to CP at least 3-4 times, I've seen him there almost EVERY TIME!! haha....

CP - once you go and been devirginized... it's in your heart (or other parts) forever!!


P.S. BT - as to your question about 500 for a KTV Quickie... I've done that before... I believe it's the going rate that a quickie is 500 for a KTV girl. Now if they're really a BBS girl claiming to be a KTV Girl, then yes that's a scam. But if she really was a KTV girl, I think that you paid the right amount. If you want to get your money's worth, then you just tell her to go out with you afterwards and that you'll pay her after you guys go out and do the KTV thing... (i.e. you did her BEFORE going to the KTV instead of AFTER... sort of like having Dessert first)... but by the time you've done a chick, the intrigue of taking her to the KTV goes away...

PPS: Be there next week boys... see you guys soon. I know some of my old buddies will be in town... can't wait to see all of you.

Freepeaks
02-18-10, 06:57
Like playing with all my Li'l paraphenelia when we first started - to double check what I found out with my shy gal of the previous night! She really field tested all of them and I had a blast watching her masturbate - and actually coming - with all the different ones. And afterwards she gave me her "rating" of each one LOL!!
SEAJ

gotta come down on your side on this SEAJ. rare that girls will play with the toys, i have a regular that said she'd do anal before play with toys.... i'd definitely pay extra for that. might have kept her around longer though...

Freepeaks
02-18-10, 07:00
PPS: Be there next week boys... see you guys soon. I know some of my old buddies will be in town... can't wait to see all of you.

Yeah go rub it in. While we sit here in withdrawal, you'll be picking fresh fruit. we expect pictures...

Pikapoka
02-19-10, 09:26
Hi there,

Does anyone want to hit up a KTV/Sauna this March? Roughly around March 11th to 20th? I am new to this, however I met some members here a couple years ago like OAH and others. I lost everyone's phone#. I can speak cantonese and english as well.

Thanks for reading.

Dan Hawaii
02-19-10, 22:27
i'm back in NYC and feeling intense physical and mental numbness, confusion, depression, and severe lost of focus.
I know what you got....:

You got PDCPD? (Post Dramatic CP Disorder). It's a sickness after you had the time of your life in CP, and you fail to function when you return home. PDCPD cases are found to occur very strong to newbies to CP. However, the seasoned pro usually gets a mild case of PDCPD. There is only one cure for PDCPD, and that's going back to CP to get your daily dose of happiness. The symptoms of PDCPD are:

you can't work
you feel sad all the time
you can't function
and all of the above you mentioned (StinkyFeet)

StinkyFeet
02-19-10, 22:38
I know what you got....:

You got PDCPD? (Post Dramatic CP Disorder). It's a sickness after you had the time of your life in CP, and you fail to function when you return home. PDCPD cases are found to occur very strong to newbies to CP. However, the seasoned pro usually gets a mild case of PDCPD. There is only one cure for PDCPD, and that's going back to CP to get your daily dose of happiness. The symptoms of PDCPD are:

you can't work
you feel sad all the time
you can't function
and all of the above you mentioned (StinkyFeet)

Funny thing is... I've never been to CP. I have question to the mainland china resident mongers. Is there an area in China filled with slender and busty girls? Maybe this is just a teenage wet dream...

Johnpgmy
02-20-10, 01:36
Bros

Can anyone advise whether the scene in CP is back to normal yet? My last trip in November was a complete wash out due to the crackdown then. Have not seen many reports to indicate situation back to normal yet. Or have the girls moved to a new area? Was planning to try another trip end April. Any advice guys?

Fast Eddie 48
02-20-10, 08:47
Funny thing is. I've never been to CP. I have question to the mainland China resident mongers. Is there an area in China filled with slender and busty girls? Maybe this is just a teenage wet dream.Stinky,

That funny Dan live in Hawaii paradise on earth with many hot babe and tan pussies and he miss a small town in China, I think he got more problems than

PDCPD.

Fast Eddie 48

Shbman
02-20-10, 11:49
Funny thing is... I've never been to CP. I have question to the mainland china resident mongers. Is there an area in China filled with slender and busty girls? Maybe this is just a teenage wet dream...From what I have seen in GZ, SZ and CP, big tits and little chinese girls do not mix.

Lost99
02-20-10, 11:51
Hey Guys,

I'm planning on spending the last week of april in CP (27th-30th) which I think is in between Phase 2 and 3 of the Canton export fair.

I've never been to CP during the fair, but its my only window to head back again this year on my schedule and I'm taking it. Any advice on how to approach this? I understand that hotel rooms are jacked up in price, and I should book early?

Anybody know how the BBS, Sauna and KTV selection is affected by this? I assume there would be more WGs, but more Mongers to snatch them up also, so the relative benefit/drawback could go either way.

Anyways, your input and advice is appreciated.

Lost

OldAsiaHand
02-20-10, 14:52
Funny thing is... I've never been to CP. I have question to the mainland china resident mongers. Is there an area in China filled with slender and busty girls? Maybe this is just a teenage wet dream...

Stinkyfeet,

You can find the type you describe all over China. The problem is that there are not that many and they are in high demand. I would look more at KTV, rather than BBS or saunas.

Just my POV.

OAH

Tigerman 2438
02-21-10, 02:02
Hi there,

Does anyone want to hit up a KTV/Sauna this March? Roughly around March 11th to 20th? I am new to this, however I met some members here a couple years ago like OAH and others. I lost everyone's phone#. I can speak cantonese and english as well.

Thanks for reading.Hi Pikapoka,

Unfortunately I will only be in CP on 21st March onward. Therefore unless you happen to reshedule your visit we shall not be able to meet up.

Best regards,

Tigerman

OldAsiaHand
02-21-10, 02:33
Hey Guys,

I'm planning on spending the last week of april in CP (27th-30th) which I think is in between Phase 2 and 3 of the Canton export fair.

I've never been to CP during the fair, but its my only window to head back again this year on my schedule and I'm taking it. Any advice on how to approach this? I understand that hotel rooms are jacked up in price, and I should book early?

Anybody know how the BBS, Sauna and KTV selection is affected by this? I assume there would be more WGs, but more Mongers to snatch them up also, so the relative benefit/drawback could go either way.

Anyways, your input and advice is appreciated.

Lost

Lost,

Yes, you should book early, but the rates are not jacked up like in GZ. They may put them up around 10-20%.

Although there are more punters in CP during the fair period, it is not a major influx. The 1+ hour commute to Pazhou is not very convenenient.

Just try to get to the BBS and KTV a little earlier than usual and hit the saunas during the non-peak hours.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
02-21-10, 06:04
Lost,

Yes, you should book early, but the rates are not jacked up like in GZ. They may put them up around 10-20%.

Although there are more punters in CP during the fair period, it is not a major influx. The 1+ hour commute to Pazhou is not very convenenient.

Just try to get to the BBS and KTV a little earlier than usual and hit the saunas during the non-peak hours.

Just my POV.

OAH
Actually.... methinks that the number of punters who comes down to CP because of the Canton Trade Fair is RELATIVELY small/benign - compared to the "regulars" who, fair or no fair, goes to CP anyway.

Yes, it's going to be marginally tighter in CP during those periods but not so bad as to to deter anybody from coming.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Francois75
02-22-10, 00:26
Bros

Can anyone advise whether the scene in CP is back to normal yet? My last trip in November was a complete wash out due to the crackdown then. Have not seen many reports to indicate situation back to normal yet. Or have the girls moved to a new area? Was planning to try another trip end April. Any advice guys?All seem to be normal.

I was here last week from 08 to 15/02

StinkyFeet
02-22-10, 04:35
Stinkyfeet,

You can find the type you describe all over China. The problem is that there are not that many and they are in high demand. I would look more at KTV, rather than BBS or saunas.

Just my POV.

OAH

my experiences with KTV's in Houjie (and jinjiang,quanzhou, wuxi) have been slender girls with no bodies. I had some truly busty beauties (think heather grahm with nicer tits) in saunas! and i normally go to the really nice KTV's. am i going to late possibly?

Transporter
02-22-10, 22:51
I did that once.

Saw a really hot girl leaving the hotel around 10 am. Got her #, texted her throughout the afternoon, and on her way to the KTV to work, she stopped by my hotel room around 5 pm.

blah blah chit chat... asked if she's there to do it or else she'd leave. Ah well, did it and kinda thought 300 rmb would suffice. Nope, she claimed that it is 500 rmb since she's a KTV girl and it's ST.

So, 40 or so minutes, did her once, no BJ, no real foreplay, no shower together, no after-deed cuddle, just biz transaction. 500 rmb. By all means it was my fault for not negotiating or knowing the price of such situation. And since it was close to 6, I wanted the deed to be over quick as I had a KTV gathering that evening. But it was a lesson learned and it made me feel bad for awhile. And she turned out to be not that hot.

500 ST for KTV, hanging out with you for 3 to 5 hours, and FS is ok.
But 500 ST for an hour of FS (especially at CP) with a girl who I'm not even sure is a KTV girl just made me feel a bit used.

Anyone else had a 500 rmb quickie in CP?



I've had quite a few back when a lot of the KTV's were 1-3-5.
At 2-5-8 (and then some now) its got to be one of those un-passable things.
Basically any KTV girl you can call for fastfood (if she agrees).
The going rate is the middle number so 2-5-8 will be 5 for fast food.
A lot of time this works out great if you want that specific type of girl for your fastfood instead of the chicken run.
It comes in handy in a lot of situations, there are Five situations that I have used it for in the past (when only wanting one girl at a time):
1) You go out to the KTV pick 7 girls to sit because you couldn't resist. By the midway point of the night you've got it weeded down to 2 girls. What to do? Quick run back to your hotel or upstairs, take girl number B for a quicky give her the middle number and send her on her way. Take girl A for overnight.
2) Same situation, but you don't want to waste money on a room and your hotel is inconvenient. Go for the quicky in the bathroom. Same thing give her the middle number when you are done and send her and take the other girl overnight.
3)Just get the other girls number and call for for a fastfood the next day (negotiate then and there), but try to send her as early as possible so that her night is not wasted. And take the other girl overnight.
4)Take the 2 girls home that you couldn't make up your mind about. Put the one you think your going to overnight with on your laptop with QQ while you do a ST with the other.
5) Haven't done this in many years because I am getting old, and the prices are getting to high. Decide which one you want to overnight, then fill her in on your plans (it really makes her feel good and you will be rewarded for it later). Figure out which ones you cannot pass up, 2 or 3 or whatever, and do multiples in the bathroom (or dark balcony depends on where you are). Give them the middle number and send them on their way.

Try HardAussie
02-22-10, 23:20
Hi All.

I need a little help. I will be in Guangzhou and Foshan in early March and I would appreciate some tips on where to get a good massage cum BJ etc.

Been to Shanghai several times and the venues there are awesome and provide clear cut services especially if you are in the company of a local or well traveled companion.

In these 2 cities I will be searching on my own and would rather start with a plan.

Thanks Guys

OldAsiaHand
02-23-10, 03:36
my experiences with KTV's in Houjie (and jinjiang,quanzhou, wuxi) have been slender girls with no bodies. I had some truly busty beauties (think heather grahm with nicer tits) in saunas! and i normally go to the really nice KTV's. am i going to late possibly?

Stinkyfeet,

Yes, the norm is how you describe it. The so-called "models" at KTV are just taller, does not mean they have a rack. Sauna girls can have bigger racks since they perform the soapy thing but this normally comes with extra baggage in other areas. The perfect shape is very hard to find. I used to see a lot of them at the old Passion's KTV in Beijing. Tall, thin and busty but they were very expensive. I believe in South China it is just the luck of the draw to find them since they are the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority of Chinese girls are just not built that way.

Just my POV.

OAH

Weelock
02-23-10, 06:03
Hi All.

I need a little help. I will be in Guangzhou and Foshan in early March and I would appreciate some tips on where to get a good massage cum BJ etc.

Been to Shanghai several times and the venues there are awesome and provide clear cut services especially if you are in the company of a local or well traveled companion.

In these 2 cities I will be searching on my own and would rather start with a plan.

Thanks Guys

Can you provide a few reports on Shanghai, especially with the World Fair coming soon. I know there is going to be a heavy LE before the fair.

Moody
02-24-10, 20:43
Funny thing is... I've never been to CP. I have question to the mainland china resident mongers. Is there an area in China filled with slender and busty girls? Maybe this is just a teenage wet dream...

I believe if you're willing to go out west, like Xinjiang, you'll have a higher success rate. The Han Chinese tend to be slim and kinda flat. If you go out west, you'll find some of the other ethnic groups, who tend to be more full figured.

Freepeaks
02-26-10, 00:25
... I can only imagine what that nurse has to endure.
-OMD

Please note that the nurse is smiling from ear to ear.. What happened? I know he told me he had some back pains when I was eating lunch with him.

Old Mean Dog
02-26-10, 07:45
Please note that the nurse is smiling from ear to ear.. What happened? I know he told me he had some back pains when I was eating lunch with him.

Colon Cancer, the bad kind. The docs said they got it all out and no chemotherpy required. He will probably be back in CP within a month.

-OMD


BTW: He blames the oysters in CP for his problems.

Paoge
03-01-10, 06:21
Anyone in CP March 11 to 13? PM me and let's hang out.

Was there feb 2 to 5, not many wg. Is it back to normal now?

Oskar Tee
03-01-10, 13:34
I try to subscribe to ISG but the page does not ask for any of my visa info? Does that mean that I will be contacted for the info in 24hr.

I will be in Zhuhai on the afternoon of 2nd.

I will be in Chingping on the 4 & 5th. I am trying to contact BSD Dave.

I am going to use the ninjac-k proxy in China I hope it works.

Could someone please contact Dave to send me an PM so that I can get his contact info once I get my subsription.

I know this is not a report, PLEASE don't shoot me.

I promised to send a report on the encounter.

Santa
03-01-10, 15:02
I acquired a love of the CP oysters and ate them almost every night for 2+ months, with a few beers. This was one year ago. I knew they came from contaminated waters and might be dangerous, but I loved them too much. I know it might not have been caused by them, but they are my prime suspect.

Anyway, I spent 10 days in hospital and just now got out, minus some of my colon, and I'm very lucky I caught this cancer in time. A section of my colon is now in the trash!

My warning to my ISG friends is to watch your diets and get a colonoscopy whenever you need one.

It's good to be alive and healthy again.

Robin Mill
03-01-10, 17:34
Hi Santa

Even though i have not met you personally, i wishes you best of health in the Tiger Year. May you be strong like a Tiger.

I have many friends who have left this world due to cancer. It is the number one killer in my country in term of dieases.

To the rest of the ISG bro, go for a full body check if you suspect something is wrong.

Best of health to all!


I acquired a love of the CP oysters and ate them almost every night for 2+ months, with a few beers. This was one year ago. I knew they came from contaminated waters and might be dangerous, but I loved them too much. I know it might not have been caused by them, but they are my prime suspect.

Anyway, I spent 10 days in hospital and just now got out, minus some of my colon, and I'm very lucky I caught this cancer in time. A section of my colon is now in the trash!

My warning to my ISG friends is to watch your diets and get a colonoscopy whenever you need one.

It's good to be alive and healthy again.

AsnDragon
03-01-10, 19:39
Santa,


Also...not to mention that those cheap roadside places that serve those oysters also sell beer for an unusually cheap price. I know their beer must not be real. I wonder what ingredients they put in that knock-off version of their beer. their prices are just tooo cheap to be real. that might have been a cause for health concerns as well.

You are right, better to be healthy than anything.

Hope you're feeling better.


AsnDragon



I acquired a love of the CP oysters and ate them almost every night for 2+ months, with a few beers. This was one year ago. I knew they came from contaminated waters and might be dangerous, but I loved them too much. I know it might not have been caused by them, but they are my prime suspect.

Anyway, I spent 10 days in hospital and just now got out, minus some of my colon, and I'm very lucky I caught this cancer in time. A section of my colon is now in the trash!

My warning to my ISG friends is to watch your diets and get a colonoscopy whenever you need one.

It's good to be alive and healthy again.

AsnDragon
03-01-10, 19:45
Hey Guys,


I may be planning a trip soon to CP. I've been around to all sorts of KTVs in CP, but two places I haven't gone yet, and am curious about, are the Penn and Swan lake KTV.

Penn- I walked in once but left because I came too late and most of the girls left so i didn't bother to get a room. was wondering about the hardware and quality of the girls there.

Swan Lake- People have been saying that they reopened with new facilities and the works. wanted to know if any brothers have been there and could give me a rating of the quality of their girls? Has it improved since their pre-renovation days? Are prices similar to their old pricing structure?

One thing I love about Swan Lake is that, in the past, every day around 4-5 PM or so, they got all those DJ's lined out wearing those white and blue sailor uniforms and those DJ's really are pretty cute. How likely are the DJ's at Swan Lake willing to do a take out session with you? Or are they strictly not for sale?

Thank in advance

AsnDragon

AsnDragon
03-01-10, 20:02
There always one memorable girl you get from one of those KTVs that you cannot get over. I happen to have gotten one back in July 2008 at the Jiayi KTV of all places. We all know that Jiayi is mostly quantity over quality, but for some odd reason, that night, I walked into the flower street line up, and even though they make things so damn dark in there, I fell upon this one girl that was completely amazing! She had the best body that I've ever had anywhere, and she was cute too. When i said best body...I really mean it. I've been to do many Saunas and KTVs and I've never seen a girl that has all the great body features as she had.

I was so entranced by here that I just paid her to spend 3 days with me straight. unfortunately, I had to leave CP after the 3rd day. She wanted me to "sponsor" her and give her a monthly stipend. Come on...you think i'm SEAJoe or something? j/k But for some reason, when she said that, it sorta just turned me off. So i left... for a few months. When I came back her number no longer worked anymore. I can't find her at all. So every time i got back to Jiayi, i still try to scout her out in hopes that she might have come back there to work...yes...i know it's wishful thinking as they usually leave and never come back. I didn't get the Mommie's card because she was absent that day and the mommie assistant never came in to give us their card.

I know...bros here are going to tell me that there are plenty of fish in the sea, but honestly, it's been 2 years and I haven't found a girl who's got as nice of a body as that particular KTV girl at Jiayi.

I mean she had boobs- bigboobman would die for
she had a white tiger- SEAJoe would approve of
she had those smooth creamy white porcelain skin
She had those cute smile and dimples- Pointpanic would love

I can only keep on searching....you guys have similar experiences with that "one" KTV girl? or am i just being an idiot to not be able to get over such a great girl after these couple years?


AsnDragon

Member #4144
03-02-10, 04:07
...I was so entranced by here that I just paid her to spend 3 days with me straight. unfortunately, I had to leave CP after the 3rd day. She wanted me to "sponsor" her and give her a monthly stipend. Come on...
AsnDragon


Wonderful story! I have met my amazing ktv girl and I paid her here and there while I am away but not a regular monthly thing. More like birthday and such, and managed to keep her for more then a year now.

Would PM me on how much you paid such a girl per day if you want her to spend a few days with you? I understand it must be dependent on the city, so I would assume it is some thing similar or slightly more then the LT cost?

Fillmore.

SE Asia Joe
03-02-10, 04:40
There always one memorable girl you get from one of those KTVs that you cannot get over. I happen to have gotten one back in July 2008 at the Jiayi ...........................I can only keep on searching....you guys have similar experiences with that "one" KTV girl? or am i just being an idiot to not be able to get over such a great girl after these couple years?
AsnDragon
No - IMHO, not an idiot at all as there ARE gals that gets to all of us no matter how "hardened" or "experienced" one may be.

But experience has taught me that "keeping" a girl is NOT a good idea at all - not for the gal and definitely not for you. Yes the gal may think its GREAT but in the end, IMHO, they do regret doing it as it has turned her into someone without any gumption/completely dependent on one single guy for her existence; how demoralizing is that for her.

For the guy, its NOT a good deal either as it usually turns into more costs - in terms of money as well as emotions etc - than worth it.

A sort of compromise I do when I do run into a gal that I really click with is to be her "regular" client and friend - one who will still pay her going rate on a regular basis BUT keeps in touch with her as a BF would do. Regular phone calls, making plans on when to meet up next, buying her little presents on top of the regular payments - but letting her keep her independence. Many times this arrangement leads her to by herself stop working as a WG/she would go on to take up a regular job etc - but that is something that she herself decides on.

Up to now - knock on wood - this has been a good arrangement for me - and when I do get tired of her (or she of me), then we're both "free agents" and it's...... NEXT!!

Not saying that this would work for everybody - but it's been OK for me/IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-02-10, 05:02
Would PM me on how much you paid such a girl per day if you want her to spend a few days with you? I understand it must be dependent on the city, so I would assume it is some thing similar or slightly more then the LT cost?

Fillmore.
IMHO, the key here is PRE-negotiations - whether with her mommie or herslf (important difference) as of course the mommie makes a cut etc.

It's up to her if she wants to negotiate herself (and take the chance of being discovered and get into REAL problems w/her mommie!) and keep all of her fees or if refers you back to mommie. BTW - how she handles such negotiations SHOULD give you a pretty good indication as to her true "feelings" (yeah - right!!) for you.

The other way is of course for you to just go ahead and pay her the regular fees - say if she's from a 2-5-8 KTV, pay her 800/day the second time you're with her and then go ahead and 'Vary" the payments as you repeat - whether more or less - again, to get an indiction of her feelings for you.

It's not an exact science but IMHO, dancing around her "stated" fees makes for a good start.

SEAJ

Meiguoguizi
03-02-10, 05:28
Wonderful story! I have met my amazing ktv girl and I paid her here and there while I am away but not a regular monthly thing. More like birthday and such, and managed to keep her for more then a year now.

Would PM me on how much you paid such a girl per day if you want her to spend a few days with you? I understand it must be dependent on the city, so I would assume it is some thing similar or slightly more then the LT cost?

Fillmore.

Consider staying with her 'outside' of the city she works in. This past Fall I 'invited' three working girls to spend a week with me in a city where I was working in Hunan (different weeks of course :) ). The Dongbei sauna girl got 7K rmb for the week, the Henan KTV girl - 6K, and the Hainan BBS 19 year old - 5K. It's all a matter of what you can negotiate.
If you take them out of their work city you get their undivided attention: no calls from the boss or the regular clients. And they're less concerned about being spotted by anyone they know, walking around town with an old laowai. They see it as a paid vacation. Of course, they have to trust you.

Member #4144
03-02-10, 07:21
It's not an exact science but IMHO, dancing around her "stated" fees makes for a good start.

SEAJ

I guess I might have been over paying, but I usually ask a CP ktv girl to come to GZ, so paying a bit more might be expected. I have asked 2 CP girl to come to GZ to spend the night and send them back the next day for 1200.

F.

Member #4144
03-02-10, 07:37
Consider staying with her 'outside' of the city she works in. This past Fall I 'invited' three working girls to spend a week with me in a city where I was working in Hunan (different weeks of course :) ). The Dongbei sauna girl got 7K rmb for the week, the Henan KTV girl - 6K, and the Hainan BBS 19 year old - 5K. It's all a matter of what you can negotiate.
If you take them out of their work city you get their undivided attention: no calls from the boss or the regular clients. And they're less concerned about being spotted by anyone they know, walking around town with an old laowai. They see it as a paid vacation. Of course, they have to trust you.

Thanks for the excellent details. I will share mine as well then. I asked my "kept" ktv girl from ZH to come to GZ when I come to China. I feel I can keep my strong desire for any girl for no more then 2 days so I ask her to come to spend weekends with me only (2 nights). Having a break inbetween helps an old man like me to recover and also allow me to go bar hunting during the week. I paid her 3500 for her trip to spend the 2 nights with me. I guess things are more expensive in GZ, and this girl is better then any I have seen in CP flower streets.

Fillmore

AsnDragon
03-02-10, 09:48
Fillmore,

Depending on how much the girl likes you, the prices may vary. I've had girls who just charge me the "SEAJOE" calculation rate of $800 a whole day for how many days that they are with you.

However, if the girl likes you, they usually give you a discount...or if they really like you, they will sometimes just say " just give me whatever at the end of our arrangement." Which becomes kind of tricky. It's as if she's trying to test you to see how generous you are. If you give them too little, they may think you are cheap and don't want to associate with you later on. But if you overpay, sometimes you fall into a trap. But sometimes....they ask you to buy them a present and they are alright with it. But if you are high rolling casanovas like SEAJOE and the likes, who take them on vacation trips to amusement parks, and wine and dine them in nice restaurants, sometimes they girl just falls for you and asks for less in return because of the great time they had.

It all depends on how much skills you've got I suppose, but it has a lot to do with luck and what girl you are dealing with.


For example, the girl I described, I gave her her money and she didn't bother to count it, she just put it in her purse. When i asked her "don't you want to count it, how do you know I gave you the right amount of money?"

She just replied, " It's not as if you would trick me over a few hundred RMB right?"

AsnDragon



Wonderful story! I have met my amazing ktv girl and I paid her here and there while I am away but not a regular monthly thing. More like birthday and such, and managed to keep her for more then a year now.

Would PM me on how much you paid such a girl per day if you want her to spend a few days with you? I understand it must be dependent on the city, so I would assume it is some thing similar or slightly more then the LT cost?

Fillmore.

AsnDragon
03-02-10, 09:58
SEAJOE,


Come on young lad, you know sometimes you see that one girl that really captivates you, you get all tangled up in that emotional web it's hard to differentiate between reality and fantasy sometimes...until you cross the border back to HK, and realize it was just a fantasy? There are such girls out there and I'm sure there are many times where emotions get caught up in the whole game. Which is natural.

We brothers come to monger thinking it's all pure physical, but in reality a good session or a good trip up to CP has a lot to do with the mood, the emotional connection with the girl. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for people to play around with the girl's emotions, but inevitably, we become greedy, we don't just want their body, but we want to feel special, as if we've got their emotions as well. Reality usually dictates that she's just treating like any other customer, but many of us feel that we are "special" that we've developed something deeper than just the physical satisfaction that somehow we can claim something deeper within the girl's heart.

Brothers here are probably going to refute me to say that they don't do that, but in reality we are all guilty of it. How many times do we go to breakfast of lunch or getting a footie and constantly text message or chat or keep this emotional flirtation going with a girl that we like? We all do it, because we all wish for more. If there's one thing true about CP is that it makes a man greedy. It makes a man want more and need more when in reality, before coming to CP, we were just satisfied with a good sexual session to relieve the stress and have a good time. But I feel there's something about CP that changed guys, it makes us push the envelope in more ways than one. We end up spending money on girls where we would never fathom or do elsewhere. We spend the time to woo and court girls not always because we want them that bad, but each girl becomes a conquest to boost up the guy's ego.

So...yes...it's good to keep a distance, and I know CP is a fantasy. But when you are in a fantasy it's hard to distinguish what is real or not. When you develop a deep affection for a girl, it's hard to see or know that they are being poked by so many guys. Yes it's their job, but I guess that feeling of not being "special" kicks in and you just wish to have her all to yourself.

A constant dilemma , which I'm sure you have experienced before on several occasions.


AsnDragon



No - IMHO, not an idiot at all as there ARE gals that gets to all of us no matter how "hardened" or "experienced" one may be.

But experience has taught me that "keeping" a girl is NOT a good idea at all - not for the gal and definitely not for you. Yes the gal may think its GREAT but in the end, IMHO, they do regret doing it as it has turned her into someone without any gumption/completely dependent on one single guy for her existence; how demoralizing is that for her.

For the guy, its NOT a good deal either as it usually turns into more costs - in terms of money as well as emotions etc - than worth it.

A sort of compromise I do when I do run into a gal that I really click with is to be her "regular" client and friend - one who will still pay her going rate on a regular basis BUT keeps in touch with her as a BF would do. Regular phone calls, making plans on when to meet up next, buying her little presents on top of the regular payments - but letting her keep her independence. Many times this arrangement leads her to by herself stop working as a WG/she would go on to take up a regular job etc - but that is something that she herself decides on.

Up to now - knock on wood - this has been a good arrangement for me - and when I do get tired of her (or she of me), then we're both "free agents" and it's...... NEXT!!

Not saying that this would work for everybody - but it's been OK for me/IMHO

SEAJ

BruceTea
03-02-10, 10:33
I guess I might have been over paying, but I usually ask a CP ktv girl to come to GZ, so paying a bit more might be expected. I have asked 2 CP girl to come to GZ to spend the night and send them back the next day for 1200.



I wonder if anyone have taken CP gals to another country for a week or two (or more...). For pleasure trip or just to hang out...

Wouldn't be surprised if SEAJ raises his hand and cries out, "oh, oh, oh, I have, I have, I have.."

SE Asia Joe
03-02-10, 10:51
I wonder if anyone have taken CP gals to another country for a week or two (or more...). For pleasure trip or just to hang out...

Wouldn't be surprised if SEAJ raises his hand and cries out, "oh, oh, oh, I have, I have, I have.."
Oh, Oh, oh, I have NOT, never, nada, zilch - but I do get asked to do so quite a few times by quite a few different gals.

But I've always tried to just 'yeah yeah ok, we'll see" type of answer as it involves quite a bit of preparation and cost - first they've got to go to a PRC travel agent who can arrange for her to go overseas - and it most likely will include her going back home to arrange for her Passport/exit permit. And then there is the actual cost - in terms of money AND time for me to arrange to get away. Then, chances are the gal would want to also visit hong kong - and WTF am I gonna do then?

And BTW - for those WG's that's already got passport etc - well, these are usually those that's already IMHO, "hardened" and already been overseas to explore their full professional "potential" and thus not of interest to moi!

Not worth it - not when all I want is good times and least hassles IMHO. I mean, the only one who's gonna ooh and ahh and enjoy the tourist thing is the gal - so why bother?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-02-10, 11:01
SEAJOE,


Come on young lad, you know sometimes you see that one girl that really captivates you, you get all tangled up in that emotional web it's hard to differentiate ...............So...yes...it's good to keep a distance, and I know CP is a fantasy. But when you are in a fantasy it's hard to distinguish what is real or not. When you develop a deep affection for a girl, it's hard to see or know that they are being poked by so many guys. Yes it's their job, but I guess that feeling of not being "special" kicks in and you just wish to have her all to yourself.

A constant dilemma , which I'm sure you have experienced before on several occasions.


AsnDragon
That is why I'm all the time "in loooove" with some SYT or another and when things turn a bit sour AND I meet another that I fancy "Falling in Love" with, well...... NEXT!!!

And that is why I do NOT - (not nowadays anyway), over-commit myself. And I mean I do not over commit in what I tell her AND I do not over-commit in my actual feelings for her. Yes, I fall in love and act and feel like it's my first love all over again - but I also know the reality of the situation, our relationship and guard myself against being TRULY in love. I'm sure that I'm not explaining myself well here - but I hope that you understand what I mean.

I love being in love - that's my failing I guess! But I do guard against being hopelessly in love with a WG. Whether still practising or not. Just not on for me.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-02-10, 11:11
Fillmore,

Depending on how much the girl likes you, the prices may vary. I've had girls who just charge me the "SEAJOE" calculation rate of $800 a whole day for how many days that they are with you.

However, if the girl likes you, they usually give you a discount...or if they really like you, they will sometimes just say " just give me whatever at the end of our arrangement." Which becomes kind of tricky. It's as if she's trying to test you to see how generous you are. If you give them too little, they may think you are cheap and don't want to associate with you later on. But if you overpay, sometimes you fall into a trap. AsnDragon
Money money money!!! that's what it all boils down to don't it?

But this can also be YOUR method to double check her AND yourself.

If you really like a gal, then it behoves you to really understand if your relationship with her is ONLY based on $$ or a bit of something else.

Underpay her and she don't want to be with you - well ole man - that's the best blessing you can get. If on the other hand she still hangs around - well.... at least its a good signal - but even here - please be aware that some of these WG's ARE really good at their profession and KNOW that there are idiots like me who does this "underpaying" tactic to test her - and know how to handle!!!

$$$$ is the most important thing for a WG - I think all of us can understand AND sympathize with this; and thus how your relationship with her when it concerns $$$ is a very good indicator as to your supposed relationship with her.

SEAJ

Robin Mill
03-02-10, 14:18
Well said AsnDragon.

I believe I fall into this catergory. There are many girls I like, and have kept in touch with for many months or years. 1 is a DJ from Swan Lake (BSD knows), 1 is a real sexy vixen intro to me by SEAJOE during my virgin trip to CP, 1 is a KTV gal from Ji Ann in CA, currently being sponsor by a married guy from Shanghai.

Now when I go back to CP, I really do not know who to find, and how to allocate time for all of them. Sigh sigh sigh.

As for price, I usually give them a lumpsum after the whole thing. I tends to be on the stingy side, and give around 2000 for 3 days. I cannot afford the 800 for KTV gal, thus I always find 'connection' with BBS gal in CP.

Over at CP, too many girls, too little time.

Back home, no girls, too much time!





SEAJOE,


Come on young lad, you know sometimes you see that one girl that really captivates you, you get all tangled up in that emotional web it's hard to differentiate between reality and fantasy sometimes...until you cross the border back to HK, and realize it was just a fantasy? There are such girls out there and I'm sure there are many times where emotions get caught up in the whole game. Which is natural.

We brothers come to monger thinking it's all pure physical, but in reality a good session or a good trip up to CP has a lot to do with the mood, the emotional connection with the girl. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating for people to play around with the girl's emotions, but inevitably, we become greedy, we don't just want their body, but we want to feel special, as if we've got their emotions as well. Reality usually dictates that she's just treating like any other customer, but many of us feel that we are "special" that we've developed something deeper than just the physical satisfaction that somehow we can claim something deeper within the girl's heart.

Brothers here are probably going to refute me to say that they don't do that, but in reality we are all guilty of it. How many times do we go to breakfast of lunch or getting a footie and constantly text message or chat or keep this emotional flirtation going with a girl that we like? We all do it, because we all wish for more. If there's one thing true about CP is that it makes a man greedy. It makes a man want more and need more when in reality, before coming to CP, we were just satisfied with a good sexual session to relieve the stress and have a good time. But I feel there's something about CP that changed guys, it makes us push the envelope in more ways than one. We end up spending money on girls where we would never fathom or do elsewhere. We spend the time to woo and court girls not always because we want them that bad, but each girl becomes a conquest to boost up the guy's ego.

So...yes...it's good to keep a distance, and I know CP is a fantasy. But when you are in a fantasy it's hard to distinguish what is real or not. When you develop a deep affection for a girl, it's hard to see or know that they are being poked by so many guys. Yes it's their job, but I guess that feeling of not being "special" kicks in and you just wish to have her all to yourself.

A constant dilemma , which I'm sure you have experienced before on several occasions.


AsnDragon

Twig75
03-02-10, 15:50
Will be heading down to CP soon and thinking of engaging Dave and his services. Is there any other way to reach him?

Does he have a website somewhere?

Thanks to anyone who can help

Csun213
03-03-10, 02:37
I can add a little to this story. There was a girl that I have been seeing for over 6 years. She was a regular girl that does this on the side. She was introduced to me by a Taiwan friend. I would see her every time I go to Shenzhen. She has a regular job and would see me after work. After a few years, I found out that she was waiting for our relationship to go to the next level since she knew that I was single. I, however do not want to get married but she does not seem to believe that. So after talking to some friends, I decided not to tell her when I was coming to China so basically did not stay in touch with her for a year.

The next time I heard from her was her telling me that she is getting married. She married a guy from Taiwan who has been chasing after her for about 6 years however she has always turned him down. Now she has married him, moved to Taiwan however we still keep in touch.

So girls do have emotion attachment to us if we treat them right. We just have to make sure that we do not hurt them or waste their youth waiting for us. When my girl got married she was 29 years old. I am glad she finally accepted the guy and was wondering what would happened if I had not cut off my tie with her that year.

I did meet her husband when I was in Taiwan. Not much to look at, short, a little over weight, balding however it seems that he is really in love with her which is what really matters.

LA Dude
03-03-10, 03:43
have to disagree with you dude. Of course I flirt with my girl for the night and will touch her and chat with her and treat her like a SO. I do so because I am hoping for an emotional connection but that's only because I want her to give me really great service or hang out with me for my time in CP and act like my SO in general. But I definetly do not want her as a real SO! I have an SO in the States and I do not want another one.

Everyone goes to CP for their own reasons but not all of us want anything more than what we are there for in the first place.

Freepeaks
03-03-10, 06:01
There always one memorable girl you get from one of those KTVs that you cannot get over. AsnDragon

why don't you PM a few members a picture. perhaps we might find that fish. CP is a small and big place. i have many times ran into ktv girls i knew before shopping, in hotel elevators, restaurants. so it is possible. she might have upgraded from Jiayi to somewhere else though.

next time get her QQ number. they never change those (you lose your phone and often get a new number). there are a couple of girls I have talked to for 2-3 years now and their QQ has not changed. sometimes if they get married or something they will change to 'lose' their past.

Freepeaks
03-03-10, 06:08
I wonder if anyone have taken CP gals to another country for a week or two (or more...). For pleasure trip or just to hang out...
Wouldn't be surprised if SEAJ raises his hand and cries out, "oh, oh, oh, I have, I have, I have.."

Actually I have a friend on QQ (my first KTV girl ever), who is now kept at what she claims is 30k/month. and i have seen her traveling all over asia - vietnam, thailand.... some was before she was kept so yes it is done. but they have to have a passport which most girls do not have and some do not even have ID>

Freepeaks
03-03-10, 06:09
Brothers here are probably going to refute me to say that they don't do that, but in reality we are all guilty of it. How many times do we go to breakfast of lunch or getting a footie and constantly text message or chat or keep this emotional flirtation going with a girl that we like? We all do it, because we all wish for more. If there's one thing true about CP is that it makes a man greedy. It makes a man want more and need more when in reality, before coming to CP, we were just satisfied with a good sexual session to relieve the stress and have a good time. But I feel there's something about CP that changed guys, it makes us push the envelope in more ways than one. We end up spending money on girls where we would never fathom or do elsewhere. We spend the time to woo and court girls not always because we want them that bad, but each girl becomes a conquest to boost up the guy's ego.


Brilliant editorial and the truth.

Transporter
03-03-10, 09:21
Wonderful story! I have met my amazing ktv girl and I paid her here and there while I am away but not a regular monthly thing. More like birthday and such, and managed to keep her for more then a year now.

Would PM me on how much you paid such a girl per day if you want her to spend a few days with you? I understand it must be dependent on the city, so I would assume it is some thing similar or slightly more then the LT cost?

Fillmore.


It is the same as overnight. If you got her at a 2-5-8, then her per day rate would be 8.
Normally you get a discount at about a week. It all depends on the girl but the going rate is around 6 days for 5 or 7 days for 5.

AsnDragon
03-03-10, 09:42
SEAJOE,


Yes, I think after your last sponsored girl incident, you have refused to fall into that emotional abyss and attachment with a girl ever again. But yes, we should usually keep our guards up, but sometimes...just sometimes...another cute jiangxi girl slips right through...and ends up finding in a place in our heart...right young lad?


AsnDragon



That is why I'm all the time "in loooove" with some SYT or another and when things turn a bit sour AND I meet another that I fancy "Falling in Love" with, well...... NEXT!!!

And that is why I do NOT - (not nowadays anyway), over-commit myself. And I mean I do not over commit in what I tell her AND I do not over-commit in my actual feelings for her. Yes, I fall in love and act and feel like it's my first love all over again - but I also know the reality of the situation, our relationship and guard myself against being TRULY in love. I'm sure that I'm not explaining myself well here - but I hope that you understand what I mean.

I love being in love - that's my failing I guess! But I do guard against being hopelessly in love with a WG. Whether still practising or not. Just not on for me.

SEAJ

AsnDragon
03-03-10, 09:45
Will,

As I know, you seem to have good outcomes with most girls. Perhaps it's your ability to lighten up the mood and make the girl laugh. Who knows, but yes I agree with you, CP has too many girls and too little time.

But you seem to always have a girl for long terms, like a few days in a row. That's very interesting as usually guys just try to pack it in and keep switching during their stay at CP in order to get the variety. But most of the girls you end up having for 203 days in a row seem very attached to you. Must be your aerobics.


AsnDragon


Well said AsnDragon.

I believe I fall into this catergory. There are many girls I like, and have kept in touch with for many months or years. 1 is a DJ from Swan Lake (BSD knows), 1 is a real sexy vixen intro to me by SEAJOE during my virgin trip to CP, 1 is a KTV gal from Ji Ann in CA, currently being sponsor by a married guy from Shanghai.

Now when I go back to CP, I really do not know who to find, and how to allocate time for all of them. Sigh sigh sigh.

As for price, I usually give them a lumpsum after the whole thing. I tends to be on the stingy side, and give around 2000 for 3 days. I cannot afford the 800 for KTV gal, thus I always find 'connection' with BBS gal in CP.

Over at CP, too many girls, too little time.

Back home, no girls, too much time!

AsnDragon
03-03-10, 09:48
Csun213,


Dang it Csun, I think you are describing me...old, fat, bald and short. j/k But yeah, I think you did the right thing to let her go and pursue her own future and happiness. I think the worst thing you can do is hold onto a girl for too long, without having the intetions to further the relationship, and waste away her youth. At 29 and still able to be married is pretty darn good, seeing how so many guys are all looking to marry and bag the young ones. But i'm sure even though she was 29, she must have been really hot for that Taiwanese guy to want her for 6 years and for you to visit her so often (before she became clingy).

AsnDragon



I can add a little to this story. There was a girl that I have been seeing for over 6 years. She was a regular girl that does this on the side. She was introduced to me by a Taiwan friend. I would see her every time I go to Shenzhen. She has a regular job and would see me after work. After a few years, I found out that she was waiting for our relationship to go to the next level since she knew that I was single. I, however do not want to get married but she does not seem to believe that. So after talking to some friends, I decided not to tell her when I was coming to China so basically did not stay in touch with her for a year.

The next time I heard from her was her telling me that she is getting married. She married a guy from Taiwan who has been chasing after her for about 6 years however she has always turned him down. Now she has married him, moved to Taiwan however we still keep in touch.

So girls do have emotion attachment to us if we treat them right. We just have to make sure that we do not hurt them or waste their youth waiting for us. When my girl got married she was 29 years old. I am glad she finally accepted the guy and was wondering what would happened if I had not cut off my tie with her that year.

I did meet her husband when I was in Taiwan. Not much to look at, short, a little over weight, balding however it seems that he is really in love with her which is what really matters.

AsnDragon
03-03-10, 09:55
Freepeaks,

I wish I met you earlier...the QQ method is such a great idea, I didn't think about it at the time. I was just too enamored by her beautiful breasts to even think straight for 3 days. I didn't take a picture of her, as she was new and when I asked she declined. I wish i did though.

I'm sure she's probably somewhere else out there. If you think about it, it's to their best interest to change KTV's after a while, because when they go to another new place, they are introduced as "new" girls or "fresh" girls from the factory, which in reality they are not...they are just "new" and "fresh" to that particular KTV. So by switching around, they maintain their marketability. Believe me, each time I go to all the KTV's, I'm still searching for her.

I was wondering if you or any other brothers happen to have another particular KTV girl's number. Please PM me. She worked at Kangtown KTV a few months back, she's from Hubei, and has great nice tits. She was selected to do the weekly raffle drawing show they have once a week for free beer and prizes....does anyone still remember? Freepeaks you were with me on those two nights...you still remember her?

AsnDragon




why don't you PM a few members a picture. perhaps we might find that fish. CP is a small and big place. i have many times ran into ktv girls i knew before shopping, in hotel elevators, restaurants. so it is possible. she might have upgraded from Jiayi to somewhere else though.

next time get her QQ number. they never change those (you lose your phone and often get a new number). there are a couple of girls I have talked to for 2-3 years now and their QQ has not changed. sometimes if they get married or something they will change to 'lose' their past.

Freepeaks
03-03-10, 18:28
I think alot of the 'better' ones can get more money at the higher end KTVs. Eurasia is a 300 sitting fee after 200 for a month. HuiHua has alot of BSDs so they often can get a tip for sitting and drinking well. PP has HKers that overpay, etc. JiaYi is a barrel of girls and even if you are good looking the numbers might make it so you do not sit. I know at least 5 girls that did the JiaYi - Huihua transition so it is very possible. We can go to Huihua and look for you if we are in town together. anyone in town march 19-21? lets get a big ktv group together.

Csun213
03-03-10, 21:18
Csun213,


Dang it Csun, I think you are describing me...old, fat, bald and short. j/k But yeah, I think you did the right thing to let her go and pursue her own future and happiness. I think the worst thing you can do is hold onto a girl for too long, without having the intetions to further the relationship, and waste away her youth. At 29 and still able to be married is pretty darn good, seeing how so many guys are all looking to marry and bag the young ones. But i'm sure even though she was 29, she must have been really hot for that Taiwanese guy to want her for 6 years and for you to visit her so often (before she became clingy).

AsnDragon

Yes, she is pretty hot. 165cm and about 45kg. It took me a while to teach her how to do a good BJ. Even through at 29, she looks about 24. I miss her however I know that I can not give her the future that she wants which is marriage and family. You do get attach to the girl and the girl to you.

Now I am going to Thailand this year to see all the great sex that everyone is talking about.

SE Asia Joe
03-04-10, 17:49
Things seems to be well on the way back in CP.

Saw quite few new stock in most of the BBS's - you know - new arrivals from other locales, trying a new location (CP!!) as well as gals moving from one shop to another. Today I saw approx a couple dozen quite good quality gals each at Baby's shop, upstairs of Baby's, the Jun Hui, the Snooker room, whilst JoJo's old shop (I guess we can call it Lily's shop now - the good looking ex-KTV gal mommie, above the corner grocery shop), the Banyan tree, the Silver Star KTV ones had a few gals to a dozen or so. Not fully staffed - but not bad at all me-thinks!

The mommie was telling me that a few gals has not got back yet as they only left home Monday - the day AFTER the traditional Chinese New Year period and still settling in whlst a few are still waiting to get on the bus/train today (thursday) as the past few days had been "bad" travelling days and today is a perfect one (according to the Chinese almanac).

Yesterday I got a real honey - even though I wouldn't have picked such a gal during "normal Times" as she was not my ordinary type as far as my usual type is concerned - but I had made the rookie mistake of coming to the Jun Hui too early (3 PM) and only saw her amongst all the mommies.... and was worried that there wouldn't be any better gals later. Actually she wasn't half bad but I though her a bit too young and not that pretty.

Anyway, got her at 3 pm, took her for a tea and decide to pop her as there wasn't much to do before the evening activities. Took her back and Lo and Behold!!! Can you believe this!! I got me a Deep Throater!!! An honest to goodness Deep Throater in CP ( I ain't big at all, but I ain't never had a CP gal who'd take me in to my hilt for at least a couple years!!) and to cap it all off ..... C.I.M.!!!

And of course I decided to keep her last night!! Took her to the lavish dinner hosted by our friend (you know who you are - THANKS A LOT BRO for the GREAT food) at the Hui hua for the dozen of us - and continued to the KTV there. And the nice gal that she was, paid me full attention all evening long.... and of course afterwards!!

Eat your heart our AsnDragon, Freepeaks, Santa et al who ain't back here yet!! Especially you Santa - she's 99-1/2% your type!! Come back soon and I'll bless you with her contact details

SEAJ

Freepeaks
03-04-10, 19:33
Eat your heart our AsnDragon, Freepeaks, Santa et al who ain't back here yet!! Especially you Santa - she's 99-1/2% your type!! Come back soon and I'll bless you with her contact details
SEAJ

arggggh rubbing it in. but i'll see you in a few weeks if you decide to bless me with your presence.

Maybe she was a sauna girl with those skills as alot of sauna girls can and wil deep throat. but from a bbs that is a bargain. next time you can pick my girl.
something about swedes knowning the best girls.

StinkyFeet
03-04-10, 21:33
Things seems to be well

wondering if I should just call out sick for three days and just stop by over to china for 5 days from nyc... deep throater... bringing back memories two months ago

Big Swingin Dave
03-05-10, 03:17
Took 6 ISG brothers to CA yesterday for a day of dirty footies, sauna, and ktv and got cut short when all the CA saunas got shutdown around 3pm. Fortunately, we already got inside Hawaii and Venice saunas or else we would have gone there for nothing. Afterwards, we decided to go back to CP for KTV. The word on the street was that GZ central was doing it's usual inspections, not sure if it will spread to CP but will let everyone know if it does...

BSD

Big Swingin Dave
03-05-10, 03:23
2 plus weeks after CNY and things seem to be back to normal. As SEAJoe reported earlier, the BBS are well stocked with plenty of "fresh" girls and last night when I took Hungryguy to the Night Market, I have never seen such awesome talent at 10:45pm. Wow, too bad my GF came back two days early, damn! We were at the Penninsula last night and saw at least 200 plus WGs with many new faces. By next weekend, everything will be back to normal; however, two things to keep in mind for planning if you are coming in April w, the first week of April is Easter and the Canton Fair is also in April, so CP will be very busy and be sure to book ahead. It's always a zoo here during those times and extremely difficult to book a room especially on Friday and Saturday nights.

BSD

Big Swingin Dave
03-05-10, 03:27
Will be heading down to CP soon and thinking of engaging Dave and his services. Is there any other way to reach him?

Does he have a website somewhere?

Thanks to anyone who can helpThe best way to contact me is through the PM service provided through this forum by subscribing to be a member.

BSD

Impossible
03-05-10, 06:24
I'll be in DG the week of the 15th this month staying at the Parkview hotel. Would you avoid their sauna facilities? Assume it's overpriced. I've done the KTV thing but I will be alone this time and would rather 'cut to the chase'. Not big into KTV solo. Any recommendations near the PV hotel is appreciated. Great site, nice tips. BTW, what does CP stand for?

Impossible

Big Swingin Dave
03-05-10, 18:21
Was at the Mayflower tonight and boy was it a feeding frenzy. It's getting quite ridiculous as I was at the front door at 5:30pm with about 100 guys waiting to get in the door. Once inside, all the sharks were circling around the WGs, there must be at least 500 plus WGs working tonight and they were snatched up left and right. It was crazy, CP is alive and well and things are definitely back to normal. There were lots of fresh faces but it appears that there were more guys then gals at times. CP is getting more and more commercialize by the day, so better come soon before it turns into Shanghai South.

BSD

Hiller
03-06-10, 08:44
Hi all,

3 March, got a comfirmation that there will be flower street in May flower, reach there by 6pm, greeted by a pre contacted area manager, he is quite accomadating and helpful.

As I just walked in the front door, whaoo, there is about 100s of uniform dressed KJ greet me, I forgot what they greet to me, I think is "huan ying lao ban"?

Immediately proceed to flower street to experience the one of CP legend, saw all kind of girls ranging 1-10/10. LOL really. Even there were some porkchops! After few rounds of walking finally approach one sweet look lady, she has a look like one of my former university's campus flower. Haha

After that, I was thinking to get another girl, bringing the chosen girl walk around street for few times but still can't get any good one. Then I decided to play single target today.

(in between approached one very sexy look lady, but she keep asking"bring out? ", than I say no, see first. Than she was like refusing to be chosen by me. At first I don't understand why she act like that, afterward my girl told me maybe she was looking for those who confirm will be bringing her out for RMB 800 instead wasting a night with you for only RMB200)

As for a solo player, I think another option to have in KTV is to have a desk in the main hall, there is a stage in the mail hall and shows start at 9. 30pm. 12. 00am. Is was quite a good experience compare to KTV room, bad thing is, we can't have our own mic, but if you really want to sing, you can still request to choose song and sing along.

When I first step in the hall, the place is suprisingly very romantic. Each desk with a candle light and also a plate of fruits. It was a very romantic feeling and a dating setup. Good thing is tonight I am doing single target. Feel just right!

So as normal procedures, play dice game warm up and drink drink. Want to give the girl drunk but in the end I lose like hell. Myself drink about 1. 5 dozen that night. (there were totally 3 dozen of beers).

Later about 10pm, mamasan join my table after she done her job and sent all her girls, not long after the captain I booked desk with also join my table, we chat and play game, the captain and the mamasan actually flirting each other. Hahaha me too ofcourse, I'm flirting with my girl.

9:30pm show starts. Not bad(dance, talk show, game show), I won one bear from the game show and gave it to my girl.

It was a very happy night out in MayFlower, clear the bill RMB 1000++, enough to open room. But never regret as I had fun.

Head already spinning and decided to call it a night and go back to hotel. The girl is very GFE in the room. It was just like making out with your first love. Shy but accomdate to my requests.

Hehe

Than as for others action no need describe t0o details right? The next morning bring her out to breakfast and send her until gatehouse of her apartment. Say good bye, feeling abit sad to leave her, LOL.

So now I will checkout my room soon and going to a friend of mine live in? A girl I met in kuala lumpur. One of the reason I came to CP.

Till then. CP

Hiller logout.

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Fast Eddie 48
03-06-10, 14:42
I'll be in DG the week of the 15th this month staying at the Parkview hotel. Would you avoid their sauna facilities? Assume it's overpriced. I've done the KTV thing but I will be alone this time and would rather 'cut to the chase'. Not big into KTV solo. Any recommendations near the PV hotel is appreciated. Great site, nice tips. BTW, what does CP stand for?

ImpossibleImpossible,

Parkview hotel is in dongguan city yes this is a 4 star hotel, I will be staying at Dongcheng int'l hotel in Dongcheng dist next week about 10 min taxi north of parkview cost at the sauna at dongcheng is 238 for VIP room with quest discount and 300-400 for tip for the girl, I think parkview is just a little bit more but there are more and hotter girl in dongcheng I think.

Fast Eddie 48

Un Le70
03-07-10, 03:46
Impossible,

Parkview hotel is in dongguan city yes this is a 4 star hotel, I will be staying at Dongcheng int'l hotel in Dongcheng dist next week about 10 min taxi north of parkview cost at the sauna at dongcheng is 238 for VIP room with quest discount and 300-400 for tip for the girl, I think parkview is just a little bit more but there are more and hotter girl in dongcheng I think.

Fast Eddie 48As far as I know, Parkview Hotel is actually in Chang'An town. It's a 5 star hotel and actually a very good one. The prices are suitable for its level. I believe it's the best hotel in Chang'An.

It's Chinese name is: 长安国际酒店 (cháng ān guó jì jiǔ diàn), which means "Chang'An International Hotel" (not to be confused with "Chang'An Hotel", which is a lower level, 4 star hotel).

UN LE70

Mixxx
03-07-10, 11:24
Sorry if this question has been brought up before. But where exactly are those BBS areas (Baby's, Hui Mei, etc..) in CP? On which streets they are?

Is the BBS price really 200RMB? Usually in China it's 150RMB or even less.

Are there some cheap (about 200RMB) hotels available nearby? Thanks!

Suryav
03-07-10, 17:45
Here are some maps you may find useful for your first trip to Changping.

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Impossible
03-09-10, 04:07
Has anyone experience with the Parkview Hotel sauna? May have to pony up for the convenience.


As far as I know, Parkview Hotel is actually in Chang'An town. It's a 5 star hotel and actually a very good one. The prices are suitable for its level. I believe it's the best hotel in Chang'An.

It's Chinese name is: 长安国际酒店 (cháng ān guó jì jiǔ diàn), which means "Chang'An International Hotel" (not to be confused with "Chang'An Hotel", which is a lower level, 4 star hotel).

UN LE70

Big Swingin Dave
03-10-10, 20:42
Jun Hui BBS was raided today around 4pm and the night market was closed as police were present right outside the BBS shops. Went to FuHao tonight with QBall + 3, everything seem to be normal except no topless dancing allowed this evening.

Will check on the sauna activities around town tomorrow and will report back if there are any deviation to the operations.

Stay tuned.

BSD

Big Swingin Dave
03-11-10, 11:11
Ever since last weekend, CP is really buzzling. Pozolim which is one of the best foot/body massage place (located across the street from the Miraton) in CP have been really buzy and there are up to 30 minutes to 1 hour wait for either rooms or masseuses. Hotels are starting to run out of rooms on Thursday and definitely no rooms at the major hotels on Friday and Saturday nights if you don't make your reservations ahead of time. From now til May, there will be a lot of holidays (Ching Ming and Easter - first week of April) and trade shows (Canton Fair mid-end of April) and some other conventions in Guangzhou in May, so if you are planning to come to CP especially from Thursday - Sunday, please make your reservations early; otherwise, you may get stuck at some of the lower grade hotels which are little bit out of the way and not as convenient to get around town.

Hotels may also increase their rates during the busy times but if you make your reservations ahead of time, they will most likely to it at the lower rate when you check-in.

BSD

SE Asia Joe
03-11-10, 16:57
Hi all,

3 March, got a comfirmation that there will be flower street in May flower, reach there by 6pm, greeted by a pre contacted area manager, he is quite accomadating and helpful.

......... Myself drink about 1. 5 dozen that night. (there were totally 3 dozen of beers).

Later about 10pm, mamasan join my table after she done her job and sent all her girls, not long after the captain I booked desk with also join my table, we chat and play game, the captain and the mamasan actually flirting each other. Hahaha me too ofcourse, I'm flirting with my girl........

It was a very happy night out in MayFlower, clear the bill RMB 1000++, enough to open room. But never regret as I had fun.
.......
Till then. CP
Hiller logout.

Appreciate your report, but I sort of feel .... nostalgically.... bad for you. I hope you don't mind, but I remember the times when I went out mongering by myself at new locales.

Yes, it was fun and exciting and wonderment and ....lots of mistakes and waste and NOT as good a time as if I had made better prior preparations by hooking up with a wingman or travelling companion etc.

That's the reason why I prefer to keep my mongering to more "usual" haunts these days - and Chang Ping definitely is one of the most ideal place to serve as my "usual" haunt, as there is inevitably some other monger that I know and who I can hook up with. Of course BS Dave has also been pivotal in allowing me to get together with friends who happens to be on site.

Anyway, to me, CP is BEST savored with like minded friends around - and it definitely makes a difference as far as costs is concerned. As per your report - you ended up spending more than would be the case if you had a few other mongers to share the cost of a KTV room - and for sure you'd have a better time than just being solo. Yes the mama san and the manager befriended you - but let's face it - they're there - IMHO - to nicely pad your bill up! That's just par for the course.

Like I said, I apologize if I sort of put a fly in the good time ointment that you had - and that I decided that it probably worth it for me to write this post to encourage you - AND OTHERS here - to make better prior preparation/arrange to meet up with friends etc when out mongering.

Also remember that ISG is a fabulous source to try to hook up with like minded new friends to team up with. I know that I've met with a helluva lot of good guys through our forum (and of course a few wankers too, unfortunately - but hey - all in all a bunch of good guys!), and thus the reason for this post

Just my POV

SEAJ

Big Swingin Dave
03-11-10, 18:51
All seems to be back to normal today for the BBSes, Night Market, KTVs, and Saunas.

BSD

Member #4144
03-11-10, 19:19
Like I said, I apologize if I sort of put a fly in the good time ointment that you had - and that I decided that it probably worth it for me to write this post to encourage you - AND OTHERS here - to make better prior preparation/arrange to meet up with friends etc when out mongering.

Also remember that ISG is a fabulous source to try to hook up with like minded new friends to team up with. I know that I've met with a helluva lot of good guys through our forum (and of course a few wankers too, unfortunately - but hey - all in all a bunch of good guys!), and thus the reason for this post

Just my POV

SEAJ

Come on, the guy had a great time and wrote a fabulous report, so cut him so slacks? There is nothing wrong with going solo and I, for one, mostly prefer the flexibility of just going by myself. If I know the people in the group in a ktv, that would be great and I would definitely go for it, but if just a random group of guys, friends of friends of ISG people you don’t know, I am not so sure it will work out fine for the night. I had reported in another post that I joined such a group and ended up sitting on stools as the room was too small with too many guys and also no singing allowed, so there can be all kinds of complications resulted from such a setup.

F.

Orang123
03-12-10, 05:29
Hi.

I'll be coming back on March 21-29. I will probably go between Changan, Changping, and shenzhen. I'm mostly into Saunas in CA and CP, but also some bbs, massages, mall hunting. Not really into KTV much.

If anyone is going to be in the same areas let me know, PM me. I may need some good excuses to escape from freebies.

Thanks

Paoge
03-12-10, 06:21
I spend this past week in CP, went to mayflower and fuhou. There are over 200 girls in mayflower and about 130 in fuhou. But the quality is just bad. For me, about 5 % is acceptable takeout. The quality just isn't there.

I don't know where the good ones are. Please let the rest of the readers know.

This forum is blocked in China. So can't subscribe for pm securely. So if anyone is in CP, please contact me [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]. I missed talking to someone in english.

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SE Asia Joe
03-12-10, 06:47
Come on, the guy had a great time and wrote a fabulous report, so cut him so slacks? There is nothing wrong with going solo and I, for one, mostly prefer the flexibility of just going by myself. If I know the people in the group in a ktv, that would be great and I would definitely go for it, but if just a random group of guys, friends of friends of ISG people you don’t know, I am not so sure it will work out fine for the night. I had reported in another post that I joined such a group and ended up sitting on stools as the room was too small with too many guys and also no singing allowed, so there can be all kinds of complications resulted from such a setup.

F.
Well.... I DID first of apoligize to him right off the bat and it IS just my POV, based upon what I went through myself regarding mongering.

Different strokes for different folks - and it was NOT in any way meant to denigrate Hiller's experience.

SEAJ

Member #4144
03-12-10, 14:34
..., based upon what I went through myself regarding mongering.

Different strokes for different folks - ...
SEAJ

Given a chance, I would definitely go for a group ktv if I can get to meet people whom I feel I already know, in real person, like yourself, hahaha.

F.

Fast Eddie 48
03-14-10, 04:36
I am staying at Dongcheng int'l hotel at Dongguan city, checkout the sauna last night nice place with japanese decor all girl dress in komono pick a tall one with hot body, cost is 188 rmb for room with discount and tip to girl are 300 rmb, there are also a KTV in the hotel will tonight with my customer, I also was in Huizhou for business for a few day great sauna actions there will do a report in the south China other area sections, I might head to CP for a day after all my work is done here.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
03-14-10, 04:54
I spend this past week in CP, went to mayflower and fuhou. There are over 200 girls in mayflower and about 130 in fuhou. But the quality is just bad. For me, about 5 % is acceptable takeout. The quality just isn't there.

I don't know where the good ones are. Please let the rest of the readers know.

This forum is blocked in China. So can't subscribe for pm securely. So if anyone is in CP, please contact me [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]. I missed talking to someone in english.

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I am in Dongguan city now use free proxy site to bypass the firewall of china,but some of this site are block at internet cafe .

www.heavymist.com
www.backdoorproxy.com

fast eddie 48

Orang123
03-17-10, 03:56
I sent an email to crown prince hotel asking for the Sauna's marketing manager's phone number so I could make a reservation.

This is the Chinese-English reply I got back:

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Dear Sir,

I am sorry to hear that our sauna center is protected and maintained. It is unavailable for customers.

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Can someone translate that, and maybe PM me with the number. Thanks. Also, anyone will be in DG/SZ area the week of March 22, PM me.

Fast Eddie 48
03-17-10, 07:20
I sent an email to crown prince hotel asking for the Sauna's marketing manager's phone number so I could make a reservation.

This is the Chinese-English reply I got back:

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Dear Sir,

I am sorry to hear that our sauna center is protected and maintained. It is unavailable for customers.

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Can someone translate that, and maybe PM me with the number. Thanks. Also, anyone will be in DG/SZ area the week of March 22, PM me.Orang,

I think he mean the sauna is closed and under remodeling, it really mean they got busted crack down closed until future notice.

Fast Eddie 48

Laowei137
03-17-10, 12:40
Dear Sir,

I am sorry to hear that our sauna center is protected and maintained. It is unavailable for customers.It means their sauna is closed.

Big Swingin Dave
03-18-10, 02:45
Most of the CA Saunas are closed or not taking any new customers, not sure what's going on with the KTVs. Hui Hua and Hui Mei Saunas in CP had a crackdown earlier in the week and most of the Saunas are working in secret operation mode. All of the KTVs remain opened but operating under abnormal conditions (i.e. no flower street, no uniform, no dancing in the nude, etc.). We had a big party last night at FuHao and the authorities did come into our room for a quick inspection to make sure that there were no extra curricula activities and we were told that the topless dancing is temporarily discontinued until further notice. FuHao did have a flower street las night and the WGs were in uniform. If and when a crackdown or inspection is happening in CP or CA and you are at a KTV, the best thing to do is have the girls change into their regular street clothes asap and at the very least know their names so you can at the very least say that they are a friend of yours that you brought into the KTV from the outside.

Stay safe.

BSD

Maxkwalat
03-18-10, 05:13
I am thinking about coming to CP in April, but after hearing about the recent crackdown, I've become less determined. I believe the conventions will start in April, but that is in Guangzhou, while the Asian Games are not due for a few more month. I went back to the same place last time around April as well and there were also many crackdowns in Guangzhou/CP area due to some "civilize the city" act. I remember that lasted for quite a while. What I am assuming is that these crackdowns probably occur frequently though spontaneously. However, does anyone have any ideas to the usual length and reasons for these government activities. Hopefully it will not last too long.

Happy St Patrick's Day to all

SE Asia Joe
03-18-10, 05:32
Most of the CA Saunas are closed or not taking any new customers, not sure what's going on with the KTVs. ................................... If and when a crackdown or inspection is happening in CP or CA and you are at a KTV, the best thing to do is have the girls change into their regular street clothes asap and at the very least know their names so you can at the very least say that they are a friend of yours that you brought into the KTV from the outside.

Stay safe...

BSD
Me-thinks that the reason is as reported in the Hong Kong Standard


No sex promos please, we're leaders

Tuesday, March 16, 2010

It can be downright annoying, not to say embarrassing, when top leaders in Beijing get "promos" on their mobile phones from sex hangouts like sauna parlors from faraway Dongguan in the south.
The rampant use of short text messages to promote these sleazy establishments has upset Dongguan's deputy health director Jin Xingzhong.

So he warned his fellow officials: "If this matter cannot be solved properly, I will be held responsible, and so will you."

Jin demanded that supervision and law enforcement be stepped up.

Dongguan launched an anti- pornography campaign last year, but the sex industry there is thriving, according to Nanfang Daily.

The "erotic business" is prevalent, one official sneered.

He said there are 130 licensed saunas, 44 of which were punished last year for providing sex services.




SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-18-10, 05:51
Orang,

I think he mean the sauna is closed and under remodeling, it really mean they got busted crack down closed until future notice.

Fast Eddie 48
And I think it also means that our friend Orang should first read the forum - that way he'd know that Crown Prince is NOT in CP and that NO establishment - especially one as suppossedly high class as Crown Prince - is gonna give a perfect stranger the "Sauna's marketing manager's phone number so I could make a reservation."

A few good previous reports would have also been welcomed from Orang - as well as other newbies/new to China visitors who ALWAYS seem to crop up here coinciding with the Canton Trade Fair.

And I'm sure that Jackson would appreciate it if newbies would pony up the $19.95 to join as a member of ISG.... and be able to send PM's to other members. Just expecting us to reply to their questions on the board usually will NOT illicit a proper/good response.

Also, I' recommend that Newbies should read Sammy T's guide to newbies which contains many good pointers for anyone who wants to get information about China 932174


Just IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-18-10, 06:03
Was at the Jun Hui at around 10 PM day before yesterday - and it was surprisingly quite well stocked. Yes the Gals were all in the back KTV rooms - segregated by the individual mommy's stable they belong to - but I must have seen at least a total of 70 gals then - and the majority of them brand spanking new!! At least I only spotted a very few "oldies."

The Mommies were all very proud of their "new Crop" and told me that last week's raids were more about drugs (yes - learned something new everyday - drugs at Jun Hui!) than anything else.

Drugs' also the reason why Xinde Disco is totally shut for the past few months - even though,(according to one mommy I was chatting with) its got the same owner as the Jun Hui.... and the Hui Mei/Virgin hotels too by the way - and he happens to be the brother of the Chief of the Dongguan PSB. Anybody here can re-confirm these suppossedly "facts?"

Hope this latest sweep is going to pass by quickly.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-18-10, 11:27
I am thinking about coming to CP in April, but after hearing about the recent crackdown, I've become less determined. I believe the conventions will start in April, but that is in Guangzhou, while the Asian Games are not due for a few more month. I went back to the same place last time around April as well and there were also many crackdowns in Guangzhou/CP area due to some "civilize the city" act. I remember that lasted for quite a while. What I am assuming is that these crackdowns probably occur frequently though spontaneously. However, does anyone have any ideas to the usual length and reasons for these government activities. Hopefully it will not last too long.

Happy St Patrick's Day to all
Hey there buddy - long time!!

As I said in my earlier post - methinks its just a knee jerk reaction to some of the big shots at the CPCCC meeting in Beijing getting some SMS's from some wanker sauna or another that grossed these leaders out. Nobody really knows how long/how bad this all is gonna pan out - like most things in China but IMHO, Dongguan will still - for the foreseeable future - still be "monger central" and that one way or another, there's still gonna be action.... if one knows where to find it and for the foreseeable future.

As far as what I know/think - Zhuhai is now totally screwed (screwed in a bad way) in that it seems the powers that be is intent on turning it into a real garden city - and as an adjunct to "Sin City - Macau" and Hong Kong (whatever HKG is??!!).

Dongguan - CP, CA, DGG city etc is still AT PRESENT too big to totally control and too many places still too dependent on the "naughty trade" - but when the big boys says "Time's up guys" it's gonna be when Dongguan is gonna get truly cracked down/cleaned up; but not yet I think AND Hope!!

So, if you want to take advantage of what all is still avaialble here - you'd best get over here soon before all this goes away.

Just IMHO of course - and I certainly do NOT have any better crstal ball than anybody else!!

SEAJ

David Yao
03-18-10, 23:12
Hi Guys,

I have a stupid question but i might have to bring it up. I am going to Dongguan very soon, assumingly the first week of April and don feel having enough time reading all the posts.

Can someone please advise what is CA, CP all those abbreviation used here?
cannot link the those to the locations for example "DONGGUAN"

Thanks in advance

AsnDragon
03-19-10, 06:37
SEAJOE,

Perhaps It's been a while since I've been back to CP, but I was at the Jun Hui, thinking that it was like the good old days a few months back. I arrived at 5 pm thinking there was going to be a well stocked amount of girls there to choose from. I was sorely disappointed with only a handful of girls. 8 girls at best. I chose one that looked tall and had a great smile.

I seem to not be going at the right time of the day. Perhaps I should go at 10 PM as you have suggested. 70 girls is a whole lot to choose from. Can never seem get the correct time to go there.


AsnDragon



Was at the Jun Hui at around 10 PM day before yesterday - and it was surprisingly quite well stocked. Yes the Gals were all in the back KTV rooms - segregated by the individual mommy's stable they belong to - but I must have seen at least a total of 70 gals then - and the majority of them brand spanking new!! At least I only spotted a very few "oldies."

The Mommies were all very proud of their "new Crop" and told me that last week's raids were more about drugs (yes - learned something new everyday - drugs at Jun Hui!) than anything else.

Drugs' also the reason why Xinde Disco is totally shut for the past few months - even though,(according to one mommy I was chatting with) its got the same owner as the Jun Hui.... and the Hui Mei/Virgin hotels too by the way - and he happens to be the brother of the Chief of the Dongguan PSB. Anybody here can re-confirm these suppossedly "facts?"

Hope this latest sweep is going to pass by quickly.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-19-10, 06:58
SEAJOE,

Perhaps It's been a while since I've been back to CP, but I was at the Jun Hui, thinking that it was like the good old days a few months back. I arrived at 5 pm thinking there was going to be a well stocked amount of girls there to choose from. I was sorely disappointed with only a handful of girls. 8 girls at best. I chose one that looked tall and had a great smile.

I seem to not be going at the right time of the day. Perhaps I should go at 10 PM as you have suggested. 70 girls is a whole lot to choose from. Can never seem get the correct time to go there.


AsnDragon
Don't really know what to say.....!

I would have thought that 5 PM would have been the BEST time to go there. Amongst the many rules that the Mommies impose on the gals, there is the requirement that the gal MUST show up for work between 3 - 5 PM; they get fined for being late... and of course fined bigger if they just don't show up at all. A Lot of punters know this and perhaps already took them before you. Who knows?!

And oh, another thing I found out about the Jun Hui gals - they generally like/will only agree to go with punters if they can get an all-nighter commitment. This has to do with the pricing structure of 200 ST/600 LT - and the fact that the Mommy takes away 100 ST/140 LT. They also like KTV sitting as it's now 2-4-7 there and they'd rather forego going with a ST guy for the chance of being able to KTV sit - perhaps that's why I saw as many gals as I did that night - as perhaps a lot of them had been waiting around to get a chance to KTV sit.

BTW - did you check out ALL the individual KTV rooms where the various Mommy's gals were sitting around at? Did you miss checking out some of the gals in some of the roooms? Perhaps?


How long you around for?

SEAJ

Johnnie Bravo
03-19-10, 14:20
Hi guys,

I've been to CP and CA a couple of times and I'll be there again on 28th. 30th Mar. Any bros there during this period feel free to pm me. Maybe we can hangout and do KTV together.

Cheers

AsnDragon
03-20-10, 08:12
SEAJOE,

I was only at the big sitting area at jun hui. i didn't get a chance to check the individual rooms. Perhaps that's the reason why.

I'm here for a couple of weeks or shorter. Would love to meet up with you. Please contact me at your convenience. BSD Dave is arranging something exciting tonight. hope to see you there

asndragon





Don't really know what to say.....!

I would have thought that 5 PM would have been the BEST time to go there. Amongst the many rules that the Mommies impose on the gals, there is the requirement that the gal MUST show up for work between 3 - 5 PM; they get fined for being late... and of course fined bigger if they just don't show up at all. A Lot of punters know this and perhaps already took them before you. Who knows?!

And oh, another thing I found out about the Jun Hui gals - they generally like/will only agree to go with punters if they can get an all-nighter commitment. This has to do with the pricing structure of 200 ST/600 LT - and the fact that the Mommy takes away 100 ST/140 LT. They also like KTV sitting as it's now 2-4-7 there and they'd rather forego going with a ST guy for the chance of being able to KTV sit - perhaps that's why I saw as many gals as I did that night - as perhaps a lot of them had been waiting around to get a chance to KTV sit.

BTW - did you check out ALL the individual KTV rooms where the various Mommy's gals were sitting around at? Did you miss checking out some of the gals in some of the roooms? Perhaps?


How long you around for?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
03-20-10, 12:20
Hi Guys,

I have a stupid question but i might have to bring it up. I am going to Dongguan very soon, assumingly the first week of April and don feel having enough time reading all the posts.

Can someone please advise what is CA, CP all those abbreviation used here?
cannot link the those to the locations for example "DONGGUAN"

Thanks in advance
Oh Wow - apologies for making you read this David Yao! After all, your time must really be valuable and all.

Why don't you just ask the pilot of your private helicopter to first give you a tour of Dongguan? Of course I presume that such an important guy as you must have a private chopper. Right?!

Please wave at us peons once a while.

SEAJ

David Yao
03-20-10, 14:46
Oh Wow - apologies for making you read this David Yao! After all, your time must really be valuable and all.

Why don't you just ask the pilot of your private helicopter to first give you a tour of Dongguan? Of course I presume that such an important guy as you must have a private chopper. Right?!

Please wave at us peons once a while.

SEAJVery Funny SEAJ an point taken,

U know you could have kept it simple be more helpful instead of being a jerk by telling your lame jokes.

For those who had same questions as I did, CA stands for CHANG AN and CP stands for changepin.

SE Asia Joe
03-21-10, 03:45
Very Funny SEAJ an point taken,

U know you could have kept it simple be more helpful instead of being a jerk by telling your lame jokes.

For those who had same questions as I did, CA stands for CHANG AN and CP stands for changepin.
My BAD!! Being a jerk and telling lame jokes.

And sure, all of us here - WE MUST BE HELPFUL TO ONE AND ALL!!
Especially to one post wonders who gets all huffy if they don't get what they want and get it right away.

Sorry - you MUST be Mister Yao Ming - right?!

Your humble servant

SEAJ

Member #4358
03-21-10, 05:01
Long time monger, first time visitor to Chang Ping, Dongguan.

Have never visited Dongguan (or Shenzen for that mater) bugt had a need for a short visit yesterday to visit a factory. I had no idea where the factory was located in relationship to Dongguan, but kept my hopes up. Visited the factory, then asked them to book a hotel for me nearby. Figured I could venture out and take a taxi to the Miraton hotel. Hoping it was not an hour long taxi ride.

Turns out the Miraton was only 5 min/15rmb from my hotel. What luck!

I printed out the 3 maps posted earlier in the forum (thank you poster!) to get my bearings around the Miraton. I walked around for a few minutes. Did not see any mommies on the opposite side of the road as was noted, but walked to the square streetwalker area and was soon asked if I wanted a massage by an older lady. Not by her. But she lead me for a few minute walk and after going into a locked first floor establishment, found 10-15 ladies in the backroom. All quite nice.

I am a BBS type person so this was a nice find. Mommie recommended one and after a moment of consideration figured I would go with her selection. Mommie said 100 for her and 100 for the girl. What I understood. A few moments before this a middle aged guy walked over and said girl good, or something. I wanted to try a take out and they said no problem. Walked out, caught a taxi and back at my hotel.

Girl was pleasant, quite, pretty and no bad signs as of yet. I have never had good luck with LT in China, but figured I would test the waters. She eventually said 400 for some special services and then I asked her how much to sleep and she said 700. With limited time and to try something new I said OK. First session was OK, no problems. Then was resting watching TV for about 30min and then she started to say her stomach was hurting, etc. It was only about 10PM. About 10min later it had progressed and she wanted to leave. I said OK, I give you 400. She wanted 500, said that 100 had been for mommie, and 100 for papa, and nothing for her. I can't believe this as 200 ST would seem like the going rate. But finally told her we talked about 400 and because she was not sleeping that was correct. Finally sent her away with 450. Not a bad girl and I kept it civil. However, 650 all in for an ST from a BBS girl at the hotel is not so good.

Fellow mongers, what went wrong here? My very limited Chinese definitely did not help. And taking her away from the BBS that complicates things.

Next time I will book a hotel within a short distance of this area and do some take aways, but ST only.

Cheers

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BruceTea
03-21-10, 07:50
My BAD!! Being a jerk and telling lame jokes.

And sure, all of us here - WE MUST BE HELPFUL TO ONE AND ALL!!



I think David is trying to be a Dave.

Travel Around
03-21-10, 08:22
My BAD!! Being a jerk and telling lame jokes.

And sure, all of us here - WE MUST BE HELPFUL TO ONE AND ALL!!
Especially to one post wonders who gets all huffy if they don't get what they want and get it right away.

Sorry - you MUST be Mister Yao Ming - right?!

Your humble servant

SEAJSo are we saying:

That new comers are not allowed here or...

That new comers do not have the rights to post or...

That new comers have to pay you respect before he can get some help?

Wadman
03-21-10, 19:15
What is happening with the BBS's?

Friday, a week ago (March 12) 4 PM:
Baby's shop: 15 girls
Jun Hui BBS/KTV: 5 girls. Jun Hui was operating in the open (main area)
This is usually prime-time for BBSs. Not many guys around either, so it's not like the girls were all taken already.
Nightmarket: average amount 11:30 PM

For afternoon shot, I picked a minority girl from Tibet (but not Tibetan minority). A bit chubby, but good BJ, and got lots of pictures and videos of her blowing. 200 ST.
For nightcap, girl from nightmarket was useless. 20 second BJ. Nutted, but that was about it. 130+10 ST.
Went to Versaille sauna the next day. 120 minutes, 2 shots. 338 rmb all-in (438 for model girls). Was shown 3 model girls, 9 regular girls. Rooms are a bit old but tolerable. Service was ok considering it's a sauna, nothing spectecular, but hey, what do you want for 338 rmb. My wingman, who experienced a CP sauna for the time, was blown away by his girl. But then, for any newby, just about ANY sauna service will seem out of this world.

This Friday (March 19) 9:30 PM:
Baby's shop: 5 girls
Jun Hui BBS/KTV: 12 girls (Jun Hui was using regular KTV rooms to show their girls
Lily's shop (on second floor, above convenience store): 5 girls
Shop on second floor above restaurant/KTV: 3 girls
Shop inside courtyard: 3 girls
SilverStar BBS was closed (verified). Mommy claimed their girls were taken away by cops.
Admittedly, 9:30 is not a good time to go BBS hunting on a Friday, but the town felt pretty quiet, not many guys doing BBS rounds.
Nightmarket: average amount of girls around 11 PM

Did not get anything, since I didn't have a room and had to go back home the same night.


This Sunday at 4 PM:
JunHui BBS/KTV: 1 girl (Yep! 1 Girl! Mommies claimed it was too early, most girls like to come in around 6-7 PM now...)
Baby's shop: 5 girls
Nightmarket at 11:30: more than average number of girls.

For afternoon shot, called minority girl I saw from Friday. She is from Sichuan, near Yunnan province. Chubby and a funny smell about her. Good BJ with playful eyecontact and licking though. 200 ST.
For nightcap, picked girl from Guizhou province. Good enough to keep after first round. She wasn't going to stay overnight, wanted to start round 2 after a while. I am not going to keep a girl if she doesn't want to stay. So got round 2 done, and sent her on her way. 250+10 rmb