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Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with giving a gal a small tip or something to show that they're special to you.. believe me, I and many others have done the same thing with good results... but do it on your own... in the end, i've found that it really doesn't make that big a difference..if she really likes you, she likes you no matter how much you tip.. if she thinks you're just a scrub giving out extra money... then that's all you are.
Do they appreciate the extra tip?
I think the ones that don't expect it do. and it will get you remembered....
I know this one time I took back a girl I had been wanting to do a 800 girl and she was lots of fun, and I ditched the model for her.
I gave her 1000 instead of 800 cause she stayed until like 2 pm - she did not expect it or count the money there.
I didn't think much of it until another girl from the same ktv told me that the other girl told her i gave her 1000 the other night. so word does get around for better or worse. I considered the 200 an futures option on the next night, since i know she would have come had I called and later in the trip when i had an off ktv night i called her late (2-3am) and she came right over having only sat that night. stayed over night and only asked for ST.
that said I rarely tip KTV girls unless service is remarkable...
You just have to remember one thing. Girls will lie to get what they want from you. This can be a lot of things, and not necessarily money.
I knew one girl, she was a real **** and her girlfriends told me she's really adventurous in bed, BJ, anal, whatever. Whenever she was with a customer though, most of the time she would be a 大, if you know what I mean by that. Most customers don't care and it was easier for her. I no longer subscribe to the "it's ok for the hooker to just lay there and do nothing" school of thought. If a hooker wants to do that, she should pay me.
Girls will feign all sorts of crap to make things easier on them. They'll tell you stuff like, "you're doing it so long it hurts." That's total BS. Please don't tell me that a hooker who fucks for a living is not used to the feeling of a dick in her pussy. That's like a piano player saying his fingers hurt. Even if it's unpleasant for her, it's her job and she should just suck it up.
What makes it easier for the girls to get away with stuff like this is that for some reason, a lot of guys seem to forget they're with a professional. Which really, is what the girl wants. What cracks me up the most is hookers who tell guys they don't kiss. WTF is that all about? And guys believe it. I mean come on, if a girl is a hooker, the last thing she's unwilling to do is kiss. I mean come on, she's willing to let you fuck her or suck your dick for money, but she doesn't want to kiss you? That's just absurd. That's like being a soccer player and being afraid of touching the ball. You picked the wrong profession.
I should mention though, there are a lot of girls I do not want to kiss for various reasons. One is bad breath, a lot of girls have it for whatever reason. Another is sauna girls, I won't kiss them if you paid me. Think about it, a half hour earlier, her mouth was probably sucking on some dudes dick and then licking his asshole. There's a good chance to get e. coli from kissing her.
A lot of guys forget, there are no feelings to hurt, you're not having sex with the girl because she likes you, you're having sex with her because YOU PAID HER. She'll have sex with your ugly cousin if he paid her, and if another guy offered her more money than you, she'll go with him in a heartbeat. There's no feelings involved and whatever feelings you have are only in your head. If you don't believe me, tell the girl you won't pay her and see how far that gets you and see how quickly she changes from a nice lovey dovey fake girlfriend to a crazed wildcat demanding her money. Hookers have no feelings for their customers, they can't, if they do, they can't hack it in this business.
Moody - BRILLIANT!!
still laughing.. ouch...
"Please don't tell me that a hooker who fucks for a living is not used to the feeling of a dick in her pussy. That's like a piano player saying his fingers hurt. Even if it's unpleasant for her, it's her job and she should just suck it up. " stop it..... hahahaha....
And I selected the other girl you mentioned that your friend took back as her girl was drunk. Her name is Si Si and I had already taken her back to my room once before and she is the one who got the infamous teddy bear and stayed with me till 2:00 PM. She is a great performer and earns her money well. Another guy from our group selected Si Si last night as well but he opted to go with a drama queen instead of Si Si. He does not know what he missed.
Hey does this make us "penis brothers"....LOL If so I have to admit I am honored to have shared the same pussy with you......LOL
I am planning on trying the "teddy bear" girl the next trip. My buddy had a good time and said she was "the nuts". I know one thing, she is hot looking. If had her and "squirter" in the same room that would be a hell of a tag team match.....
Moody wrote: "What cracks me up the most is hookers who tell guys they don't kiss."
There's that for sure. But I wonder if also this reluctance to kiss is related to what a recent survey in China found--that 50% of the people surveyed think that AIDS is contracted by kissing?
Hey does this make us "penis brothers"....LOL If so I have to admit I am honored to have shared the same pussy with you......LOL
I am planning on trying the "teddy bear" girl the next trip. My buddy had a good time and said she was "the nuts". I know one thing, she is hot looking. If had her and "squirter" in the same room that would be a hell of a tag team match.....
LOL. Si Si and Ching Ching tag teaming - that is a death wish or at least would be at my age. Wow. But I bet it will be a lot of fun. They both are great but if I have to rate their skills then Si Si - the big tits girl, is definitely the winner both in skills and tight body.
Which one did you bring back? And which model did you pick? I have sat two and one was gorgeous but a total pro (too much so) the other was a party girl but I didn't really click with her. She was fun but a bit annoying.
I brought the regular girl back and not the model as the model was having her periods. I did not have much luck with models at Fuhao as the first model I picked was having her periods, after her periods she was already booked by another customer, and after that she just simply went back to her home town. The 2nd time around when I picked another model I had a really bad experience. I thought she was just plain cold and did not want to be in the room with us or she was too good to party with us. The model left the room a couple of times without asking me. First time she left she was gone for 30 minutes or so and when she came back she just fell asleep in the room. Also, she started asking me to pay her money as she had headache and wanted to go home and sleep. I was not happy with her as she only spent may be 30-45 minutes in the room when she started asking for money. Also, when I touched her she pointed that it tickled her and just shrug me off. I mentioned it to BSD and he came over and asked the model what was going on and she simply did not say a word. When the 2nd time the model left both BSD and I were annoyed and later on BSD found out that the model had another customer in another room and was drinking with the other customer. So I guess it must be hard to juggle two different customers in different rooms so that is why she wanted to leave our room. Long story short – I did not have to pay for the model sitting fee and never saw her again for the rest of the night. So as I said earlier, I just did not have a good luck with the models at Fuhao and it is unfortunate as there were some stunners in the lineup.
Finally, after 5 months, I bothered to get the internet at home and am able to post from home...
Anyway, first things first. Bruce Ill email you the answers to your email questions either later today or tomorrow, I have had a surreal week this last week and I have learned a lot about how to deal with chicks as a result...
I dont really have much to report about a particular ktv or BBS, nothing much new, except to say that in the last 5 months of going to cp quite regularly I havent had too many disappointing girls. The only thing I will say though is that the swan lake BBS have been quite hit and miss for me, service wise. I much prefer the BBSs behind hui mei. Girls are just as good if not better and the service is usually better as well. 50rmb cheaper too.
Went to an oil massage place in houjie a couple of nights ago and in the middle of the massage me and the girl end up kissing and making out, so much so that time ran out before I could be wanked off. She said that she would come to my place and sleep over if I liked (it was finishing time for her). She wasnt a knock out. She was short and a bit chubby, but she had a cute face and big tits and she wasnt gonna cost me anything extra to take home and I really needed to unload so what the hell. She gave a great head job and was very receptive when I shagged her. Lots of moaning and stuff. Anyway, I had been to this place once before then and the other girl I had previously was also very friendly, so this might be my home away from home during the week when I am not in cp.
I got the places name somewhere in my wallet which I can post up if people are interested. I have been told houjie is great for working girls and it really feels like it when I walk around town in the evenings but I havent done much exploring as of yet.I go to houjie often and would love to visit the oil massage place can you post the name.
Thanks
Also, she started asking me to pay her money as she had headache and wanted to go home and sleep. I was not happy with her as she only spent may be 30-45 minutes in the room when she started asking for money. Also, when I touched her she pointed that it tickled her and just shrug me off. I mentioned it to BSD and he came over and asked the model what was going on and she simply did not say a word. When the 2nd time the model left both BSD and I were annoyed and later on BSD found out that the model had another customer in another room and was drinking with the other customer.These aren't really written in stone or anything, but I have a few rules concerning the girls.
1) Unless I show up late and/or decide to leave early, the girl has to be there for a minimum of 5 hours. If the girl wants to leave earlier, I say no, or tell the mommy. To be honest, I don't think it has ever happened to me that a girl actually left before the 5 hours were up. There have been occasions when a girl wanted to leave earlier, like around 10PM, and I would just say, "no," and I've never had to press it.
2) Girls can't change out of their uniform until 11PM. Unless the outfit is ugly or something, I like the girls to wear their KTV uniform. I hate to see a girl come back wearing jeans and a sweater, although lately, that's probably not a problem. BTW, if one girl gets permission from one dude to go and change, it starts a chain reaction.
3) Girls have to play the games and have to drink. I don't care if they throw up in the bathroom, but no spoilsports. If they lose in the games, they have to drink or take off some clothing, although at the naked or semi-naked places that doesn't have as much of an affect. Also, no cheating at the games. If I catch it, I make them drink.
4) If girls complain about me touching them, I will make sure that all the guys in there will pick on her to drink. She will get drunker than a skunk in no time flat. Usually by then, they're a little more pliant. Like I said, no spoilsports.
5) If the place requires the girls to buy girlie drink or food or something else stupid, I'll do it. The girls go through enough, no need for them to get docked 50RMB or whatever.
6) If a girl wants to leave to take a phone call, she can only leave for 5 minutes. Usually though, I never catch this. Typically, there's a lot of stuff going on and I never notice if somebody is missing and if I do notice, I just figure they're in the bathroom throwing up.
7) Go with the flow. If I'm not the host, I'll let the host do whatever he wants and follow suit. I get taken out a lot, and when that happens, I'll just go along with whatever.
Sorry BSD as I was the only one that night who left early as I mentioned to you that I got some allergic reaction to the facial I had it done earlier that day. I am really glad that you took us to that restaurant and even though you thought you had taken me there before I had not been to that restaurant before. I really liked the chicken and I think next time I am just going to do the Polish thing and order 1 1/2 chicken. Since the chicken tastes so much better than the States and the size is 1/4 of the US chicken I think 1 1/2 chicken is not as bad as it sounds.
As I have thanked you many times in person I just wanted to thank you one more time as I had an excellent visit to CP and it would not have been the same without your help or you organizing different events.
Say Hi to Si Si and the waitress for me next time you see them.Here is the photo of the roast chicken BSD mentioned above. As you can see, it is a fairly small size chicken so make sure you order enough.
Here is the photo of the roast chicken BSD mentioned above. As you can see, it is a fairly small size chicken so make sure you order enough.I don't think that's chicken. It's pigeon, a Chinese delicacy. That's why the size is small.
Hoeman
Fast Eddie 48
06-29-10, 06:43
I don't think that's chicken. It's pigeon, a Chinese delicacy. That's why the size is small.
Hoeman...Hoeman,
That is chicken they are small and skinny in China just like the girl ,they don't feed and pump them up like they do here in the US, yes I like the Squab in China better favor than chicken and is cheap.
Fast eddie 48
Watch Watch
06-29-10, 06:44
Its called a Squab which is a young Pigeon, they have a farm that raises it for me in SC. its a bird that raised for it "dark meat" / kind of the opposite of how they raise the Poussin or Cornish Hen for its WHITE MEAT.
Great bird though. Next thing you know, you [Racial Epithet Deleted by Admin] gonna ask me what a lobster Thermaorde is.
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Watch Watch
06-29-10, 06:46
Haven't been back in a few years (I'm ABC) have they perfected their "double fly" action yet? Its more like having 2 separate girls in a row rather then a 3 some, very annoying.
I'm believe it's a chicken, although small, and not a pigeon. I say that because that's what BSD said in his previous report, the restaurant specializes in roast chicken. I'm sure he would know if it was a pigeon and not a chicken, because I'm certain he can read the menu.
Mit Fo Lfe
06-29-10, 22:50
I don't think that's chicken. It's pigeon, a Chinese delicacy. That's why the size is small.Yes it is chicken.
I try to go to that place once every trip.
Mit Fo Lfe
06-29-10, 22:53
I have left Dave with a translator which I told him he should lease out... it does a decent job, but any translator is going to be slow... but at least it is dedicated device, uses AAA batteries...Thanks, but I do have my iphone and can speak cantonese but my mandarin does suck.
I'm believe it's a chicken, although small, and not a pigeon. I say that because that's what BSD said in his previous report, the restaurant specializes in roast chicken. I'm sure he would know if it was a pigeon and not a chicken, because I'm certain he can read the menu.I agree its a chicken, looking at the head, quite different between a chicken and a pigeon.
SE Asia Joe
06-30-10, 08:21
Come on guys. Let's move on from this topic. The point I was trying to make was that if you go to this place then make sure you order a plenty of chicken as it was really good. That is it.
Now let's debate what place/city is in these photos.
Harumph... not even the least bit difficult -
Hong Kong - from the windows of the JW Marriot hotel (or perhaps Shangrila) at Pacific Place.
So...... what's the point of the question??
SEAJ
Harumph... not even the least bit difficult -
Hong Kong - from the windows of the JW Marriot hotel (or perhaps Shangrila) at Pacific Place.
So...... what's the point of the question??
SEAJ
Point is to move on from it is chicken, no it is pigeon. Someone PM me that it was a rat with wings. LOL.
Yes. You are right. It is from the window of JW Marriott hotel.
Some time ago, behind the Miraton, there were vans line up with girls waiting inside for take-out. Normally nice girls for LT.
Last time, in March, I didnt see them anymore. Are they back..or did they move to another place?
SE Asia Joe
06-30-10, 09:22
Some time ago, behind the Miraton, there were vans line up with girls waiting inside for take-out. Normally nice girls for LT.
Last time, in March, I didnt see them anymore. Are they back..or did they move to another place?
Jeeez.... that modus operandi has undergone several transformations since your "some time ago" and just don't exist no more.
Heck, even those li'l bread vans which used to be ubiqitous (and a PAIN to use/negotiate for - but very convenitent when there's a bunch of us!!) in Cp - well, they ain't that aplenty anymore!!
SEAJ
I have not even left Hong Kong and it has only been 2 days since I left CP and I am already planning my next trip to CP. My Chinese visa runs out in July and I had a 1 year multiple entry visa. So I guess I'll be sending my passport to get another Chinese visa as soon as I am back in the US. I wonder if there is a 5 years multiple entry Chinese visa similar to what Brazil used to have. On this trip there was a lot of rain in CP so I got to plan my next trip when there is a bit less rain and also it is not too hot. I really like the food in the restaurant a few yards away from the Clipper hotel. However; a waitress there kept abusing me, hitting me, pinching me, standing on my feet, etc. I just noticed I got bruises all over my arms due to all the hitting and pinching. I think sometimes she was too friendly or she just did not like me bringing different girls to the restaurant. Anyways, next trip to CP will be in a few months and maybe even in 2010.
BTW, I am typically infatuated with new places. I did the same thing when I started going to Colombia in early 2000 and actually made over 20 trips within a year. I was doing a project in Miami so every weekend I went to Colombia, only 3 hours flight from Miami versus 8-10 hours to go back to California.
Mit Fo Lfe
06-30-10, 17:57
My Chinese visa runs out in July and I had a 1 year multiple entry visa. So I guess I'll be sending my passport to get another Chinese visa as soon as I am back in the US. I wonder if there is a 5 years multiple entry Chinese visa similar to what Brazil used to have.Longest one a US citizen can get as far as I know is 1 year.
Mit Fo Lfe
06-30-10, 18:01
Now let's debate what place/city is in these photos.The 2nd pic is a dead giveaway as there are tons of HK Taxi's.
StinkyFeet
06-30-10, 18:20
So as I said earlier, I just did not have a good luck with the models at Fuhao and it is unfortunate as there were some stunners in the lineup.
i once had an incredible model. I don't know if i will ever find a girl like this again. cute baby face, natural D's, Size 7 shoes, petite shoulders, and the most incredible part. it was all contained in a 5'11 frame. she was the same height as me with out shoes on. i couldn't believe it. alas she knew she was hot stuff and I felt that pretty fast.
BTW, I am typically infatuated with new places. I did the same thing when I started going to Colombia in early 2000 and actually made over 20 trips within a year. I was doing a project in Miami so every weekend I went to Colombia, only 3 hours flight from Miami versus 8-10 hours to go back to California.[/QUOTE]
It is hard not to enjoy Columbia, that is for sure! I feel you pain, amigo!
Fast Eddie 48
07-01-10, 03:38
BTW, I am typically infatuated with new places. I did the same thing when I started going to Colombia in early 2000 and actually made over 20 trips within a year. I was doing a project in Miami so every weekend I went to Colombia, only 3 hours flight from Miami versus 8-10 hours to go back to California.
It is hard not to enjoy Columbia, that is for sure! I feel you pain, amigo![/QUOTE]Sky,
I love Colombia chica very GFE and nice ass ,never been to Colombia but have my share at Panama city few yr ago have a chinese friend own a club there only have Colombia girl they are screamer ,there are a few working in HK but low quality .
Fast eddie 48
Jeeez.... that modus operandi has undergone several transformations since your "some time ago" and just don't exist no more.
Heck, even those li'l bread vans which used to be ubiqitous (and a PAIN to use/negotiate for - but very convenitent when there's a bunch of us!!) in Cp - well, they ain't that aplenty anymore!!
SEAJ
...yeah...the only constant in life is the change. Sad.
Then, to get those FL's, is the nightmarket back to business after the raids? Or where else you can find gals, if going home from the KTV session alone...after midnight?
Mit Fo Lfe
07-01-10, 05:24
...yeah...the only constant in life is the change. Sad.
Then, to get those FL's, is the nightmarket back to business after the raids? Or where else you can find gals, if going home from the KTV session alone...after midnight?I may be mistaken. But last jan we did go to a night market closer to the Clipper hotel. Not sure of the name but there were only 3 rooms to choose from.
SE Asia Joe
07-01-10, 10:10
I may be mistaken. But last jan we did go to a night market closer to the Clipper hotel. Not sure of the name but there were only 3 rooms to choose from.
Huh??
What are you talking about?
Are you sure its not the BBS around the Yalan hotel and Swan Lake road?
These BBS's are open up to midnight - and if you actually went to rooms, these are what the regular BBS's are.
Who'd you go with?
SEAJ
Mit Fo Lfe
07-02-10, 06:27
Huh?
What are you talking about?
Are you sure its not the BBS around the Yalan hotel and Swan Lake road?
These BBS's are open up to midnight - and if you actually went to rooms, these are what the regular BBS's are.
Who'd you go with?
SEAJI went with BS Dave and Bruce Tea. It was in an alley way somewhere near the Clipper as we took a taxi there. I've been to BBS' so know what those are but according to BS Dave this was the night market.
SE Asia Joe
07-02-10, 09:07
I went with BS Dave and Bruce Tea. It was in an alley way somewhere near the Clipper as we took a taxi there. I've been to BBS' so know what those are but according to BS Dave this was the night market.
Then it must be the night market.... only this is not very close to the Clipper at all!!
It's more like half way between the Clipper and the Hui Mei!
And to reply Botaki6 - the night market is "fluid" in that it's sometimes open sometimes closed. And nobody knows when it opens/closes/I'd say depends on how the "wind" blows. LOL!
SEAJ
Mit Fo Lfe
07-03-10, 04:40
Then it must be the night market.... only this is not very close to the Clipper at all!!
It's more like half way between the Clipper and the Hui Mei!
SEAJFor some reason it really didn't seem that far ... atleast not half way to Hui Mei. I actually expected to see girls from ktv's that didn't get picked there. Sort of like how Nana is in Bangkok after all the gogo's close. Didn't feel any of the girls there that night and ended up just going back to the Clipper.
I've got sunshine, on a cloudy day...
When its cold outside, I've got a girl named May.
I'd guess you'd say,
What can make me feel this way?
My girl,
BruceTea girl!
I've got so much honey the bees envy me.
I've got a sweeter song than the birds in the trees.
Well I'd guess you'd say,
What can make me feel this way?
Oh sunshine everywhere...Is it the sun? No. It is the beauties, the skimpy outfits that trot around every sidewalk, and oh, I am surrounded by yellow sunshine.
I can love both fair and brown ;
Her who loves loneness best, and her who masks and plays ;
I can love her, and her, and you, and you
I can love any, so she be not true.
A K on a weekend. Madness! Chaos! Grabbing and pulling! Oh, the faces, oh the figures, oh the sweat, oh the selecting!
We had a medium sized room with 5 guys and 8 girls. 2 more came in for dancing and fun. So much fun that BSD tried to up the fun, but everyone was toooo tired. Geez, do all girls dance like that?? Girl on Girl, girl on guy shoulders, girl on...well, I was too buzzed/dizzy to remember all.
Well, left at 11. Why so early? Two guys took both their girls home. I have no idea why...how much screwing can one do in a night with 2 girls? These guys are nuts.
My girl was fun in the room and a gfe back in hotel. She's got a steady bf and stuff, but what's new is she got a call from her bf (who's also at a KTV) and she started assuring him that she home bored and watching TV (all the while with me fingering her). Did her while she's on the phone.
methinks i'll enjoy the sun under the shade before getting sunburned. Too much sunshine can be hazardous to one's health.
... Or where else you can find gals, if going home from the KTV session alone...after midnight?
Sometimes you can go to the KTV in your own hotel and ask to find a mommy. Ask her if any girls are leftovers. Still 500 or 800 so that's not a great option.
Sauna? They open till 2 am, so that's the most common option if you don't get anyone from a KTV.
BBS mommies? If you have her #, you have a very good chance to get some girls to your room for the short time or overnight.
If you wanna work a bit, chat some girl up on the streets (if they look like they're walking home) and invite her to midnight snack. You'll probably strike a ST deal (but not sure how the pricing works).
If you're not feeling it with your KTV girl, do plan B before 11 pm. Good luck!
I have not even left Hong Kong and it has only been 2 days since I left CP and I am already planning my next trip to CP. On this trip there was a lot of rain in CP so I got to plan my next trip when there is a bit less rain and also it is not too hot. Anyways, next trip to CP will be in a few months and maybe even in 2010.
BTW, I am typically infatuated with new places. .
Same here with the new places, dude. I was humping and gambling in Macau for over a year. Didn't think there was a place better for play than Macau. Then I got dragged over to ZhuHai (reluctantly at the time) and the rest in history. Need to get introduced to Geyland Street in Singapore as people have been raving about it.
Got CPitis after 10 plus days. You'll be beggin back,bro!
Far as I can discern from your reports (which were really good), BSD was able to arrange just about everything for you – ordered your meals, saunas, footsies, paired you up with bros, translated for you and your gals, etc. And alot of work he did for ya too!!!!!
My gal also told me that you did something not cool...you got into shit with the model gal for NOT tipping her to boot her out!! Girls talk. Good thing vets are there to smooth things out.
BSD also told me he took you personally to the “back-room BBS at the Swan Lake KTV” and recommeded to you on some of his “private stock” like the Clipper Sauna gal and Sky Rider’s squirter gal ! GEEZ LOUIZ, now that's service and that's NOT something he has to do or he does to all his friends/customers. You must've given him a good impression. Or seriously, hoped you tipped him well cause truth is, I haven't even gotten that good stuff from BSD! He treats each person as a one of a kind friend.
And SO... since you do treat all around you so generously i.e. the Teddy bears, the wet towel givers, the DJ’s etc – I AM VERY curious - How much $$$$$ did you end up paying Dave?
Look forward to partying with you…. Sooner rather than later I suspect ( LOL!!!), since you’ve now caught the CP bug well and good!!
Party on, and tell us in truth, how appreciatiative WERE you to the ones who really made your trip so memorable????
Mit Fo Lfe
07-03-10, 15:43
My girl was fun in the room and a gfe back in hotel. She's got a steady bf and stuff, but what's new is she got a call from her bf (who's also at a KTV) and she started assuring him that she home bored and watching TV (all the while with me fingering her). Did her while she's on the phone.What?!!! Are you already back in CP? Where did you party last night? Did her while on the phone eh? Kinda odd how she could keep her voice steady as you did her. Guess bruce 101 strikes again! I kid I kid.
Mit Fo Lfe
07-03-10, 15:47
a k on a weekend. madness! chaos! grabbing and pulling! oh, the faces, oh the figures, oh the sweat, oh the selecting!
we had a medium sized room with 5 guys and 8 girls. 2 more came in for dancing and fun. so much fun that bsd tried to up the fun, but everyone was toooo tired. geez, do all girls dance like that?? girl on girl, girl on guy shoulders, girl on...well, i was too buzzed/dizzy to remember all.fuhao? damn i must be partying with the wrong peeps. i never even had them dance last few visits there.
Mit Fo Lfe
07-04-10, 03:51
methinks i'll enjoy the sun under the shade before getting sunburned. Too much sunshine can be hazardous to one's health.With those blinding white legs of yours. Hard to imagine you go out into the sun did you buy some sorts yet? Not hot enough out there for you?
Fast Eddie 48
07-04-10, 03:58
For some reason it really didn't seem that far. Atleast not half way to Hui Mei. I actually expected to see girls from KTV's that didn't get picked there. Sort of like how Nana is in Bangkok after all the gogo's close. Didn't feel any of the girls there that night and ended up just going back to the Clipper.Mit Fo,
Most girl work the night market are new in the business student or clerk during the day time, most show up after 9 pm if you are a fast walker from Clipper to night market is about 10 min walk.
Fast Eddie 48
My gal also told me that you did something not cool...you got into shit with the model gal for NOT tipping her to boot her out!! Girls talk. Good thing vets are there to smooth things out.
And SO... since you do treat all around you so generously i.e. the Teddy bears, the wet towel givers, the DJ’s etc – I AM VERY curious - How much $$$$$ did you end up paying Dave?
Geez Louise, I am the one who encouraged DhpM. to contact BSD his first time, but I can't believe the patronizing shit he is catching.
According to his posts, the model girl was butterflying and entertaining a customer at the same time in a different room. That's bullshit and the girl was fortunate she only got booted without a tip, she should have been reported and fined. If I had a regular who complained about my friend handling the situation like that, I would tell her that what I just wrote and I wouldn't go to a public internet discussion board to chide my friend. Attitudes and service suffer from guys letting the girls walk all over them. Frankly, if BSD is letting girls get away with this without filing a complaint and getting them fined, he is not doing his job as well as he could.
Second, why the hell is everyone pressuring DHP to tip BSD or concerned with what he is paying him? Is that really any of (the collective) your business? I am sure if it's not worth BSD's time or he doesn't feel appreciated he can back off handling Dhp as a client, or he can contact him directly. Having his cheerleaders come into a public forum begging for tips on the behalf of BSD doesn't relfect well upon his business IMHO.
I have been DhP's wingman before in a place where I spoke the local language and he did not. Sure I helped him out and translated for him when he asked, but the fact is he seldom asked and only when it was absolutely needed to settle a transaction or get a confirmed meeting set-up. I also helped him get a hotel and showed him around on the chicken runs, where the bars where, and etc.. But it wasn't a burden and took little of my time. In fact he was extremely independent and did many things totally solo that most travelers wouldn't. Completely unlike the way he is being portrayed by the ISG DG crowd.
Guess what I didn't ask him for a tip nor make any money often his patronage at places we went. I did it because, he's a good guy and sharing is what it's about. And if I had an issue with my interaction with him, I certainly wouldn't communicate it on ISG or have my friends do it on my behalf.
Bob Builder
07-04-10, 15:07
Geez Louise, I am the one who encouraged DhpM. to contact BSD his first time, but I can't believe the patronizing shit he is catching.
According to his posts, the model girl was butterflying and entertaining a customer at the same time in a different room. That's bullshit and the girl was fortunate she only got booted without a tip, she should have been reported and fined. If I had a regular who complained about my friend handling the situation like that, I would tell her that what I just wrote and I wouldn't go to a public internet discussion board to chide my friend. Attitudes and service suffer from guys letting the girls walk all over them. Frankly, if BSD is letting girls get away with this without filing a complaint and getting them fined, he is not doing his job as well as he could.
Second, why the hell is everyone pressuring DHP to tip BSD or concerned with what he is paying him? Is that really any of (the collective) your business? I am sure if it's not worth BSD's time or he doesn't feel appreciated he can back off handling Dhp as a client, or he can contact him directly. Having his cheerleaders come into a public forum begging for tips on the behalf of BSD doesn't relfect well upon his business IMHO.
I have been DhP's wingman before in a place where I spoke the local language and he did not. Sure I helped him out and translated for him when he asked, but the fact is he seldom asked and only when it was absolutely needed to settle a transaction or get a confirmed meeting set-up. I also helped him get a hotel and showed him around on the chicken runs, where the bars where, and etc.. But it wasn't a burden and took little of my time. In fact he was extremely independent and did many things totally solo that most travelers wouldn't. Completely unlike the way he is being portrayed by the ISG DG crowd.
Guess what I didn't ask him for a tip nor make any money often his patronage at places we went. I did it because, he's a good guy and sharing is what it's about. And if I had an issue with my interaction with him, I certainly wouldn't communicate it on ISG or have my friends do it on my behalf.
In all reality if the gal is butterflying you, the other guy is probably a regular big spender and they are really not going to give a shit about your complaint, especially if you are a foreigner on a once in a lifetime visit as compared to a regular Hong Kong weekend warrior. Fairness does not enter the equation, only money matters and Chinese WGs are very practical. The will pout and make a scene but if it is certain it is not going to work they will move on. Chances are if the gal stayed in your room she would have only given you a quickie at best or made an excuse why she can't do it and left for the other guy after taking your sitting fee.
Its against my principles to pay a gal who pulls BS like that but to not kill the mood of the party sometimes you just have to wear it.
Lets face it KTV newbies don't know all the rules, what they can get away with or have to put up with.
Jettsetter
07-04-10, 19:50
Geez Louise, I am the one who encouraged DhpM. to contact BSD his first time, but I can't believe the patronizing shit he is catching.
According to his posts, the model girl was butterflying and entertaining a customer at the same time in a different room. That's bullshit and the girl was fortunate she only got booted without a tip, she should have been reported and fined. If I had a regular who complained about my friend handling the situation like that, I would tell her that what I just wrote and I wouldn't go to a public internet discussion board to chide my friend. Attitudes and service suffer from guys letting the girls walk all over them. Frankly, if BSD is letting girls get away with this without filing a complaint and getting them fined, he is not doing his job as well as he could.
Second, why the hell is everyone pressuring DHP to tip BSD or concerned with what he is paying him? Is that really any of (the collective) your business? I am sure if it's not worth BSD's time or he doesn't feel appreciated he can back off handling Dhp as a client, or he can contact him directly. Having his cheerleaders come into a public forum begging for tips on the behalf of BSD doesn't relfect well upon his business IMHO.
I have been DhP's wingman before in a place where I spoke the local language and he did not. Sure I helped him out and translated for him when he asked, but the fact is he seldom asked and only when it was absolutely needed to settle a transaction or get a confirmed meeting set-up. I also helped him get a hotel and showed him around on the chicken runs, where the bars where, and etc.. But it wasn't a burden and took little of my time. In fact he was extremely independent and did many things totally solo that most travelers wouldn't. Completely unlike the way he is being portrayed by the ISG DG crowd.
Guess what I didn't ask him for a tip nor make any money often his patronage at places we went. I did it because, he's a good guy and sharing is what it's about. And if I had an issue with my interaction with him, I certainly wouldn't communicate it on ISG or have my friends do it on my behalf.
I agree that this isn't the forum to handle something like that... but i dont' think anybody needs to jump to conclusions that BSD is asking for and requesting someone say something. This is a public forum, and all are welcome to say whatever they want. But let's not jump to conclusions that anybody is being the puppet master here.
I know BSD well, and it's not his nature to put anybody to this. In fact, he's the type of guy who would go out of his way NOT to say something. I think that people here are just being a little over-protective of his generosity sometimes and making a point to those who utilize his services to compensate him for it, since often times, from what I've seen, he doesn't outrightly ask for it.
Irrespective, nobody should jump to any conclusion that there's some sort of puppet master type of relationship here.
I personally don't advocate anybody telling anybody else what they should pay for services rendered UNLESS someone actually set a price, agreed to it and bailed without paying. In my opinion, you want X, just pay X. Anything over and above is up to the person who is paying... (kind of like paying a girl). The moment you start EXPECTING tips, it becomes a strained relationship in my opinion...
I mean personally if someone goes out of their way and does other things for me that are beyond what I contracted for, I more than likely will reward them. That's just classic economics... if I don't, then they probably won't bother to do it again next time... (it's the risk that you as a service provider face for certain customers)... but you do it enough and you build a regular clientele that will appreciate and reward you for your services.
Point being, I think it's a little over the top to tell someone to tip... because I frankly feel uncomfortable when someone says I have to do something unless it's a standard or it's a required fee (i.e. DJ's, etc.)... But don't assume that folks making this statement were "put up to it" by anybody... that, from what I know of the players involved here, is unlikely to be true.
-J
Pointpanic
07-05-10, 12:53
I agree that this isn't the forum to handle something like that... But let's not jump to conclusions that anybody is being the puppet master here.........
I know BSD well, and it's not his nature to put anybody to this. In fact, he's the type of guy who would go out of his way NOT to say something. I think that people here are just being a little over-protective of his generosity sometimes and making a point to those who utilize his services to compensate him for it, since often times, from what I've seen, he doesn't outrightly ask for it.
Irrespective, nobody should jump to any conclusion that there's some sort of puppet master type of relationship here. ............
Point being, I think it's a little over the top to tell someone to tip... because I frankly feel uncomfortable when someone says I have to do something unless it's a standard or it's a required fee (i.e. DJ's, etc.)... But don't assume that folks making this statement were "put up to it" by anybody... that, from what I know of the players involved here, is unlikely to be true.
-J
Right on Jettsetter!
Ditto! Hope to see you on my next trip to Cali or CP!
Pointpanic
For those who know me, I havent been in town for a while. I went last weekend to say hi to a couple of people but had to leave pretty much straight away, but not before taking a look at what was to offer at jing lang (sp?) KTV. Anyway, I got the hankering back so I will be there on Friday and Saturday.
So if anyone is around then come. Itll be the first time in a long time that I will drink at a KTV (was on a bit of a health kick for a while) and get myself a KTV girl, so a lot of pent up frustration has been brewing inside of me.
I know BSDave is dying to see me with my shirt off, so I promise to do so just for you, big boy.
Fuhao is the place to go for fun girls (as regulars know) so if I can put in a special request for Friday night Fuhao?
Guess what I didn't ask him for a tip nor make any money often his patronage at places we went. I did it because, he's a good guy and sharing is what it's about. And if I had an issue with my interaction with him, I certainly wouldn't communicate it on ISG or have my friends do it on my behalf.
Have you helped anyone else ?
SE Asia Joe
07-06-10, 09:01
Geez Louise, I am the one who encouraged DhpM. to contact BSD his first time, but I can't believe the patronizing shit he is catching.
According to his posts, the model girl was butterflying and entertaining a customer at the same time in a different room. That's bullshit and the girl was fortunate she only got booted without a tip, she should have been reported and fined. If I had a regular who complained about my friend handling the situation like that, I would tell her that what I just wrote and I wouldn't go to a public internet discussion board to chide my friend. Attitudes and service suffer from guys letting the girls walk all over them. Frankly, if BSD is letting girls get away with this without filing a complaint and getting them fined, he is not doing his job as well as he could.
Second, why the hell is everyone pressuring DHP to tip BSD or concerned with what he is paying him? Is that really any of (the collective) your business? I am sure if it's not worth BSD's time or he doesn't feel appreciated he can back off handling Dhp as a client, or he can contact him directly. Having his cheerleaders come into a public forum begging for tips on the behalf of BSD doesn't relfect well upon his business IMHO.
I have been DhP's wingman before in a place where I spoke the local language and he did not. Sure I helped him out and translated for him when he asked, but the fact is he seldom asked and only when it was absolutely needed to settle a transaction or get a confirmed meeting set-up. I also helped him get a hotel and showed him around on the chicken runs, where the bars where, and etc.. But it wasn't a burden and took little of my time. In fact he was extremely independent and did many things totally solo that most travelers wouldn't. Completely unlike the way he is being portrayed by the ISG DG crowd.
Guess what I didn't ask him for a tip nor make any money often his patronage at places we went. I did it because, he's a good guy and sharing is what it's about. And if I had an issue with my interaction with him, I certainly wouldn't communicate it on ISG or have my friends do it on my behalf.
What's with the righteous indignation?
Anybody putting YOU up to this?
SEAJ
Jettsetter
07-06-10, 10:40
Right on Jettsetter!
Ditto! Hope to see you on my next trip to Cali or CP!
Pointpanic
When is that Point?? When you (the collective YOU), coming back?? It's been a while...
3 weeks and counting boys.
-J
Meiguoguizi
07-06-10, 14:35
First trip to CP this past weekend. On "nobody's" recommendation I contacted BSD. Even though I changed my arrival location three times, he had a car meet me at the airport. He called me while I was in the airport to confirm the driver's arrival. I arrived in the hotel he had booked for me (clipper), then a quick turn around to the KTV (Fu Hao) here he met my late arrival (Fu Hao) and gave me the flower street tour and introduced me to the gang. The next 3 days he coordinated a footie, a variety of KTVs and a day of 'go-carts' that I was too exhausted to participate.
And just took his driver's car back to the airport today.
The whole time, not one word of a 'fee' or 'tip' or anything. Not one word.
I did give him a hongbao. But it was my initiative, not his. My consideration for his considerable CP 'guanxi'.
I can't imagine how anyone can find fault in the this guy. If anything, he's too nice a guy and puts up with too much shit.
I think Mongerxx has a point, but he's missing the main issue. I also occasionally host guys who come around, a few years ago, I used to do it quite a lot. The difference between someone like me and BSD is that BSD does it for a living. Also, the level of service he provides is nothing like the service someone like me would provide. I would never arrange hotels, transfers, and parties and more. I would just meet the guy, give him a little tour maybe, and do a little translating if it's convenient for me. BSD does it even when it's not convenient for him. Also, if I'm busy with something else, or even just plain don't feel like it, there's no way I'll meet the guy, let alone go out of my way to make things more comfortable for him.. BSD will.
China is also not like a lot of other places where you can get around with a pocket translator or hope to find someone who can understand what you're saying. A guy who can't speak the language and arriving for the first time will need a lot of hand holding. I know this from hosting my friends who come here. A new guy coming to China is going to require a lot of assistance.
As for tipping BSD, that's up to the customer. I think though, if he provides a good service, he should get something for his troubles beyond the small commission he gets from the bookings, especially since the value-added services he provides are really not what you get from typical travel agents. For simple comparison, look at what that guy Dragon charges in Shanghai, and from what I hear, BSD's services are far more comprehensive.
I know Shanghai DragonD (but have never used his services) and I am friends with BSD. And BSD is the real thing. You could consider DragonD just a tour guide, while BSD is more like a full service provider. IMHO, you can go wrong with BSD, even for us regulars. There has been more than once he has been available when I have been in a sticky situation (get your mind out of the gutter.)
LAmonkey
I think Mongerxx has a point, but he's missing the main issue. I also occasionally host guys who come around, a few years ago, I used to do it quite a lot. The difference between someone like me and BSD is that BSD does it for a living. Also, the level of service he provides is nothing like the service someone like me would provide. I would never arrange hotels, transfers, and parties and more. I would just meet the guy, give him a little tour maybe, and do a little translating if it's convenient for me. BSD does it even when it's not convenient for him. Also, if I'm busy with something else, or even just plain don't feel like it, there's no way I'll meet the guy, let alone go out of my way to make things more comfortable for him.. BSD will.
China is also not like a lot of other places where you can get around with a pocket translator or hope to find someone who can understand what you're saying. A guy who can't speak the language and arriving for the first time will need a lot of hand holding. I know this from hosting my friends who come here. A new guy coming to China is going to require a lot of assistance.
As for tipping BSD, that's up to the customer. I think though, if he provides a good service, he should get something for his troubles beyond the small commission he gets from the bookings, especially since the value-added services he provides are really not what you get from typical travel agents. For simple comparison, look at what that guy Dragon charges in Shanghai, and from what I hear, BSD's services are far more comprehensive.
My opinion here is that since BSD is doing this as a living he should set up a minimum charge/tip (or maybe a general tip amount). Although it may be difficult to place a value on his services, BSD could set up a minimum tip price to avoid any confusion/awkwardness/guilt etc. The reason for this is that people can choose to see if they want BSD's service or whether they think the extra convenience is worth the extra price. This also eliminates awkwardness of not tipping and not knowing how much to tip. Sometimes tipping too little may be worse than not tipping at all (a low tip may be an insult to some people sometimes). A minimum amount allows people to decide how much to give without feeling like they gave too little. Just my opinion, open for discussion, but I definitely think this makes things alot more convenient since this is not the first time I have read about this issue here.
Bob Builder
07-07-10, 08:22
My opinion here is that since BSD is doing this as a living he should set up a minimum charge/tip (or maybe a general tip amount). Although it may be difficult to place a value on his services, BSD could set up a minimum tip price to avoid any confusion/awkwardness/guilt etc. The reason for this is that people can choose to see if they want BSD's service or whether they think the extra convenience is worth the extra price. This also eliminates awkwardness of not tipping and not knowing how much to tip. Sometimes tipping too little may be worse than not tipping at all (a low tip may be an insult to some people sometimes). A minimum amount allows people to decide how much to give without feeling like they gave too little. Just my opinion, open for discussion, but I definitely think this makes things alot more convenient since this is not the first time I have read about this issue here.
BSD is doing this for a living so he should be earing a living from the COMMISSIONS that he is getting. I assume he is not providing his services free because he feels sorry for foreign mongers who don't know how to find their way around solo and has no other friends that he could party with. I am also giving the guy credit and assuming the guy is not a moron.
He is running this as a business so if he is not making enough for his efforts so like any businessman, its up to him to levy charges as he sees fit or find another business / business model. IMHO if you feel the need to tip the guy, that's a personal decision and I doubt he will be offended.
I feel this tipping shit is a throwback to the US where you are guilted into leaving a gratuity even if a service provider gives you feck all to deserve it. And who gives a shit if waiting staff are lowly paid, so are the ones at places like McDs. Or like, here they can change professions and work in KTVs, MPs or BBSs.
Whether someone provides the same service free to friends or business associates is irrelevant because BSD does not hide the fact he is making money from this, And just because someone acts friendly towards you, it doesn't mean they are your friend, it is good business, think GFE!
SE Asia Joe
07-07-10, 08:23
IMHO - I think that Mongerx should at least "get it" that his attack on Bruce Tea is totally unwarranted - and my HOPE that he should at least CONSIDER offering an apology to both Bruce as well as BS Dave.
I can understand that he's thinking "conspiracy theory" - for it's quite apparent that he himself had haplesly been ensnared in a conspiracy concocted by .... you know who!!
Pity that this person couldn't have just handled his own problems himself instead of taking advantage of Mongerx's friendship. But I guess it goes to a pattern.
IMHO.... JUst IMHO
SEAJ
My opinion here is that since BSD is doing this as a living he should set up a minimum charge/tip (or maybe a general tip amount). Although it may be difficult to place a value on his services, BSD could set up a minimum tip price to avoid any confusion/awkwardness/guilt etc. The reason for this is that people can choose to see if they want BSD's service or whether they think the extra convenience is worth the extra price. This also eliminates awkwardness of not tipping and not knowing how much to tip. Sometimes tipping too little may be worse than not tipping at all (a low tip may be an insult to some people sometimes). A minimum amount allows people to decide how much to give without feeling like they gave too little. Just my opinion, open for discussion, but I definitely think this makes things alot more convenient since this is not the first time I have read about this issue here.
So having opened that question, and someone mentioned that the Shanghai Dragon guy charges. What do you consider a fair rate? He arranges KTV and coordinates everyone there. Sure he gets something from KTV but far less than his time is worth. (if the KTV gave him nothing then they would have no respect for him), but in fact he is indeed working for us, making sure we don't get cheated on beer/food/girls, etc.
any thoughts?
Bob Builder
07-07-10, 08:32
So having opened that question, and someone mentioned that the Shanghai Dragon guy charges. What do you consider a fair rate? He arranges KTV and coordinates everyone there. Sure he gets something from KTV but far less than his time is worth. (if the KTV gave him nothing then they would have no respect for him), but in fact he is indeed working for us, making sure we don't get cheated on beer/food/girls, etc.
any thoughts?
He is getting a commission from the KTV and it has nothing to do with respect. If he wasn't do you think he would be spending his own money to party with you?
Jettsetter
07-07-10, 08:45
So having opened that question, and someone mentioned that the Shanghai Dragon guy charges. What do you consider a fair rate? He arranges KTV and coordinates everyone there. Sure he gets something from KTV but far less than his time is worth. (if the KTV gave him nothing then they would have no respect for him), but in fact he is indeed working for us, making sure we don't get cheated on beer/food/girls, etc.
any thoughts?
I think that it should be full disclosure... and up front... i.e. you come to a party i set up and want me to manage, then it'll cost you 30 RMB a person or something like that... 10 people 300 5 people 150... simple as that... I'm sure everyone can afford 30 rmb it's chump change for a night partying... (what's that? $5 USD?)
Want to join the party, then great... if not, no worries, don't come...
If you just need dave to book you a room and he doesn't need to "manage", then he can do it for you (and can take whatever the ktv gives him if they give him anything)...
This isn't a bad system... but that's just my 2 cents... if you want to create your own party and do your own planning, that's cool too, nobody is stopping you... but if you want the controls and mechanisms in place... and the comforts of having someone manage your party, there's a fee.. simple as that...
I guess if you want to tell him, hey, don't really need you to manage, can you just hook up the room, then it's up to BSD to decide whether he wants to charge a "reservation fee" - but I doubt that'd be necessary...
Again, my 2 cents... obviously at the end, it's your choice... you can go or not... you can pay or not... and you can use his services or not... but if you're in town alone with nobody to hang out with... then you'd likely gladly pay an extra $5 to hang out with like minded folks.. and have someone watching the intangibles for you...
Personally I don't really need it, as I've been frequenting the town on my own and with friends way before I met up with many folks on the board... but when in town, I'm more than happy to hang out with friends alike... I figure the average costs have gone way down since i used to party and part of the reason is the good management in watching the bill and cutitng out the BS... so it's been worth having BSD be part of the equation.
Kind of like buying one of those savings books... costs you money to utilize, but hte savings in the end more than make up for what you paid...
trust me one girl snack alone will make up the 30 RMB (I"m not saying this is what he does charge, just something I think most people would be cool with).. when you start getting into the 50/60 rmb range, that gets a little expensive in my opinion... esp. for china.
But remember this is just for partying...if you need servcies above and beyond, that's completely separate...
Bob Builder
07-07-10, 08:57
I think that it should be full disclosure... and up front... i.e. you come to a party i set up and want me to manage, then it'll cost you 30 RMB a person or something like that... 10 people 300 5 people 150... simple as that... I'm sure everyone can afford 30 rmb it's chump change for a night partying... (what's that? $5 USD?)
Want to join the party, then great... if not, no worries, don't come...
If you just need dave to book you a room and he doesn't need to "manage", then he can do it for you (and can take whatever the ktv gives him if they give him anything)...
This isn't a bad system... but that's just my 2 cents... if you want to create your own party and do your own planning, that's cool too, nobody is stopping you... but if you want the controls and mechanisms in place... and the comforts of having someone manage your party, there's a fee.. simple as that...
I guess if you want to tell him, hey, don't really need you to manage, can you just hook up the room, then it's up to BSD to decide whether he wants to charge a "reservation fee" - but I doubt that'd be necessary...
Again, my 2 cents... obviously at the end, it's your choice... you can go or not... you can pay or not... and you can use his services or not... but if you're in town alone with nobody to hang out with... then you'd likely gladly pay an extra $5 to hang out with like minded folks.. and have someone watching the intangibles for you...
Personally I don't really need it, as I've been frequenting the town on my own and with friends way before I met up with many folks on the board... but when in town, I'm more than happy to hang out with friends alike... I figure the average costs have gone way down since i used to party and part of the reason is the good management in watching the bill and cutitng out the BS... so it's been worth having BSD be part of the equation.
Kind of like buying one of those savings books... costs you money to utilize, but hte savings in the end more than make up for what you paid...
trust me one girl snack alone will make up the 30 RMB (I"m not saying this is what he does charge, just something I think most people would be cool with).. when you start getting into the 50/60 rmb range, that gets a little expensive in my opinion... esp. for china.
But remember this is just for partying...if you need servcies above and beyond, that's completely separate...
Only RMB30 per head? I heard he was making more like RMB100! Do you take BSD to be a fool?
Full disclosure? Does he also have to comply to ISO9000 and Sarbannes-Oxly?
IMHO - I think that Mongerx should at least "get it" that his attack on Bruce Tea is totally unwarranted - and my HOPE that he should at least CONSIDER offering an apology to both Bruce as well as BS Dave.
I can understand that he's thinking "conspiracy theory" - for it's quite apparent that he himself had haplesly been ensnared in a conspiracy concocted by .... you know who!!
Pity that this person couldn't have just handled his own problems himself instead of taking advantage of Mongerx's friendship. But I guess it goes to a pattern.
IMHO.... JUst IMHO
SEAJ
More strong suggestions of what actions people should take from SEA Joe. What a surprise...
I like Dave and think he does an excellent job. That's why I have reccomended his services to multiple people. I concede that my message unjustifiably suggested explicit coordination to public pressure DHP in upping whatever he was giving BSD. However, the multiple posts from the usual suspects cajoling DHP to give more to Dave, and the critical public commentary regarding DHP's actions sure smell like some tacit bitching and campaigning by the friends of BSD.
Are the friends of BSD doing him any favors? If I agree to BSD's services, it sure appears to be some chance that the ISG DG gang will publically air issues they have with my conduct. It sure makes me apprehensive, and to suggest to others, to join the party.
SEA Joe, you really don't know me as well as you think if you believe that I would come here and complain at the request of DHP. I hadn't even corresponded with DHP since before his arrival in CP when I made my post. Frankly, I was pretty disgusted and motivated to comment from just reading the posts.
BSD is doing this for a living so he should be earing a living from the COMMISSIONS that he is getting. I assume he is not providing his services free because he feels sorry for foreign mongers who don't know how to find their way around solo and has no other friends that he could party with. I am also giving the guy credit and assuming the guy is not a moron.
He is running this as a business so if he is not making enough for his efforts so like any businessman, its up to him to levy charges as he sees fit or find another business / business model. IMHO if you feel the need to tip the guy, that's a personal decision and I doubt he will be offended.
I feel this tipping shit is a throwback to the US where you are guilted into leaving a gratuity even if a service provider gives you feck all to deserve it. And who gives a shit if waiting staff are lowly paid, so are the ones at places like McDs. Or like, here they can change professions and work in KTVs, MPs or BBSs.
Whether someone provides the same service free to friends or business associates is irrelevant because BSD does not hide the fact he is making money from this, And just because someone acts friendly towards you, it doesn't mean they are your friend, it is good business, think GFE!
I am not 100% sure how we got from where the best KTV gals are, or hwo to get the BBS gals to BBJ with CIM and a few other acronyms, to whether or not BSD deserves a tip or not, but here we are. With that in mind, I will offer my 100 RMB worth on the subject.
In my experience BSD has NEVER asked or hinted that he "is owed" any type of gratuity from one of us. If anyone in insinuating otherwise, then as far as I am concerned they are at best misunderstanding the situation and more likely flat telling a fabrication just to stir up fecal matter.
At the end of the day, if you don't want to give BSD a tip.....DON'T, if you think the service he provided you warrants a showing of your appreciation then DO IT! But at least in my opinion, to compare this situation with the "air of entitlement" in what is passed for the service industry in the USA, is not even in the same hemisphere! (pun intended).
I am pretty sure that BSD would prefer that this entire thread die a quick death, and I too would like to see that happen and return to "happier subjects", like where to find the squirter I reported on a while back........
By the way BSD has her number.......:-))
(sorry I couldn't resist!)
Big Swingin Dave
07-07-10, 14:21
First of all, please stop the discussions about my fees/commissions on this thread. It's my fault for not being clear on what I offer and to the recommendation of many ISG brothers I will post something in the Classified Ad to list out my services so that there will be no confusion in the future...end of discussion! please...
What matter most is that there is a big change in CP in regards to the BBS operators. HuiMei is dead! Night-market is not open. Swan Lake's Baby Shop and Upstairs have moved to Yalan KTV second floor. The old Swan Lake/Jun Hui mommies have set up a BBS in the alley across the street to the right of the Swan Lake Hotel. They also have girls in the Swan Lake KTV dressed like KTV WGs trying to get 2-5-8 from unsuspecting customers but they are still available for BBS take-out prices (2-5) if you know the mommies. The Yalan alley behind Silver Star KTV have all consolidated into only two shops. I saw the BBS mommies working very cautiously. They are bringing the girls to you in a private bread-car but was only sending two girls at a time to board the vehicle and have look-outs to make sure that the coast is clear. Clearly acting very cautiously so be careful...
There are also a couple mommies hanging out in front of Pozolim near around the Miraton. They offer to bring girls to your hotel. Have not tried their services yet but if you live in the area and need girls, they may be a viable option instead of going to the Yalan area.
All the changes are due to LE activities in CP. It is not a full blown crack down but be cautious when you come to CP to party especially going to the Saunas. Saunas are only taking regular customers so must call ahead to book.
Lastly, the KTVs are still operating mostly in normal mode but Eurasia WGs are not in uniform and no flower street (last week), FuHao is not allowing topless dancing for the month of July. Jin Lang is not allowing full naked stripping until further notice.
BSD
Bob Builder
07-07-10, 16:03
I am not 100% sure how we got from where the best KTV gals are, or hwo to get the BBS gals to BBJ with CIM and a few other acronyms, to whether or not BSD deserves a tip or not, but here we are. With that in mind, I will offer my 100 RMB worth on the subject.
In my experience BSD has NEVER asked or hinted that he "is owed" any type of gratuity from one of us. If anyone in insinuating otherwise, then as far as I am concerned they are at best misunderstanding the situation and more likely flat telling a fabrication just to stir up fecal matter.
At the end of the day, if you don't want to give BSD a tip.....DON'T, if you think the service he provided you warrants a showing of your appreciation then DO IT! But at least in my opinion, to compare this situation with the "air of entitlement" in what is passed for the service industry in the USA, is not even in the same hemisphere! (pun intended).
I am pretty sure that BSD would prefer that this entire thread die a quick death, and I too would like to see that happen and return to "happier subjects", like where to find the squirter I reported on a while back........
By the way BSD has her number.......:-))
(sorry I couldn't resist!)
Before rattling some fecal matter of your own and showing us your extensive use of grammer, how about reading more carefully.
As far as I know Dave doesn't solicit tips, my reference is more steered towards posters here who trying to encourage others to tip here.
according to wikipedia schizophrenia is a severe mental illness characterized by a disintegration of the process of thinking, of contact with reality, and of emotional responsiveness. it most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction.
facts:
schizophrenia affects about 24 million people worldwide.
schizophrenia is a treatable disorder, treatment being more effective in its initial stages.
more than 50% of persons with schizophrenia are not receiving appropriate care.
90% of people with untreated schizophrenia are in developing countries including hong kong.
care of persons with schizophrenia can be provided at community level, with active family and community involvement.
having defined the terms and facts of schizophrenia – i think there are a few people on this thread who fall under this category and need help. the people who think that:
there is an issue between bsd and i on compensation/service and/or on any other matter and i just spoke to him about that.
people who think i would ask someone to come to a public forum and write something on my behalf.
people who think i can’t wipe my behind without someone’s help and/or i will starve to death without someone’s help.
please note that i am refraining from personal attacks on these individuals as i do pity them and i am here to help them with their medical condition.
i have mongered in about 65 cities around the world – from north america to africa, australia to south america, asia, and europe. i am one of the lucky or unlucky ones whose job is 100% travel for the last 15 years and my job takes me all around the world. cp is new to me but mongering is not and neither is this world or international travel. so let’s stop this nonsense right now as you are harming bsd's business - and if you still have an issue with me then im me and we will spare rest of the board excruciating details that should have remained private - and that is the last word from me on this subject.
Jettsetter
07-08-10, 08:14
Last time I went to Eurasia, I had a pretty cute gal sit with me... never took her home, but did get her QQ #... she was on her period (legit or not, no idea), but I had someone else on my other arm, so no big deal... she was my kinda girl, cute face, good attitude...
Anyways, i've been QQing with her for the past few months since i saw her, and it's been friendly...
Recently she said some BS happened and needs money... I said, sorry, I'm in the US, can't help you out... She said, don't you have banks in the US... I said... "No"...
hahahaa....
i think she got the hint...
Anyways...the more girls I see, the more I see the reinforced idea that it's truly a fantasy land ... easy to get sucked in, but in terms of "real feelings", it's pretty much all in your head...
It's, in the end, all about the Mao's...
of course it's fun to shop, have fun, play the role... but in the end... make sure you keep a good head on your shoulders and get some opinons from your brothers to make sure you stay grounded... there's years of experience out there that will set you straight...
So who's out there in August/Sept? Can't wait to party...
-J
Jettsetter
07-08-10, 08:17
Only RMB30 per head? I heard he was making more like RMB100! Do you take BSD to be a fool?
Full disclosure? Does he also have to comply to ISO9000 and Sarbannes-Oxly?
Get your facts straight Bob... don't think what you "heard" is accurate...
Full disclosure... it's called "Sarbanes-Oxley" - and no... only reserved for public companies...
was just putting in my two cents... no need to get your panties in a bunch.
Bob Builder
07-08-10, 09:22
Get your facts straight Bob... don't think what you "heard" is accurate...
Full disclosure... it's called "Sarbanes-Oxley" - and no... only reserved for public companies...
was just putting in my two cents... no need to get your panties in a bunch.
Facts? I am not reporting for the Washington Post(bad example, they don't worry about the facts either). Next you will be wanting me to quote "Wikipedia", where you can get interesting factual information from contributors such as "Wayne Rooney is CRAP and his father is "Shrek"" and Hong Kong is part of the "developing world".
And what's wrong with RMB100, like its only $13 for the kind of fun there is to be had in CP?
things changed in CP. BBSs are relocated and favorites such as behind the Hui Mei and the Night Market are closed. Check recent reports as even the vets of CP will find favorites relocated. Santa would not be "ho ho hoing".
KTVs are fun. But money consuming. Hopefully, you have some good friends or savvy to keep the costs down. Otherwise, more power to you for making the KTV richer.
Saunas are only taking regular customers? Don't know. If anyone has reports, please post. We need more sauna info.
I just wanna fck those 200 rmb or 150 rmb gals. But hey, if safety is the reason for all the new changes, then it's best to avoid or go with someone in the know-how.
Regardless, play safe and appreciate those who keep the costs down, are concerned about YOUR safety, and show you a great time.
As far as I know Dave doesn't solicit tips, my reference is more steered towards posters here who trying to encourage others to tip here.
Well, heck, there are sooo many "TIPS" here. ie: Don't be bsd's. Don't follow unknown mommies into allies. Don't whip your dick out to the girls in the room or in the bathroom. Give respect/thanks to good, helpful brothers. Give BBS girls a 10-20 rmb tip to get back to the shop....
And you're having a slight annoyance to THAT?
Thanks BSD for the info. We are coming in next week and are distressed to hear that saunas are closed to new customers! I can't believe it!
First of all, please stop the discussions about my fees/commissions on this thread. It's my fault for not being clear on what I offer and to the recommendation of many ISG brothers I will post something in the Classified Ad to list out my services so that there will be no confusion in the future. End of discussion! Please.
What matter most is that there is a big change in CP in regards to the BBS operators. HuiMei is dead! Night-market is not open. Swan Lake's Baby Shop and Upstairs have moved to Yalan KTV second floor. The old Swan Lake/Jun Hui mommies have set up a BBS in the alley across the street to the right of the Swan Lake Hotel. They also have girls in the Swan Lake KTV dressed like KTV WGs trying to get 2-5-8 from unsuspecting customers but they are still available for BBS take-out prices (2-5) if you know the mommies. The Yalan alley behind Silver Star KTV have all consolidated into only two shops. I saw the BBS mommies working very cautiously. They are bringing the girls to you in a private bread-car but was only sending two girls at a time to board the vehicle and have look-outs to make sure that the coast is clear. Clearly acting very cautiously so be careful.
There are also a couple mommies hanging out in front of Pozolim near around the Miraton. They offer to bring girls to your hotel. Have not tried their services yet but if you live in the area and need girls, they may be a viable option instead of going to the Yalan area.
All the changes are due to LE activities in CP. It is not a full blown crack down but be cautious when you come to CP to party especially going to the Saunas. Saunas are only taking regular customers so must call ahead to book.
Lastly, the KTVs are still operating mostly in normal mode but Eurasia WGs are not in uniform and no flower street (last week), FuHao is not allowing topless dancing for the month of July. Jin Lang is not allowing full naked stripping until further notice.
BSD
things changed in CP. BBSs are relocated and favorites such as behind the Hui Mei and the Night Market are closed. Check recent reports as even the vets of CP will find favorites relocated. Santa would not be "ho ho hoing".
Does any have a biz card / phone number from Co Co. She is one of the mommies behind Hui Mei. I'm surprised all three BBS behind Hui Mei are gone. I would guess there are trying to lay low or relocated. It seems like CP is getting smaller and smaller each year while the development of hotels / housing is growing.
Does any have a biz card / phone number from Co Co. She is one of the mommies behind Hui Mei. I'm surprised all three BBS behind Hui Mei are gone. I would guess there are trying to lay low or relocated. It seems like CP is getting smaller and smaller each year while the development of hotels / housing is growing.
I have the number of one of the mummies from behind huimei, but I dont know her by name. She is the one that David does not want to deal with because she went a bit crazy at him and Doctor Jim. Her BBS is pretty much the last one out of that row of BBSs.
I have the number of one of the mummies from behind huimei, but I dont know her by name. She is the one that David does not want to deal with because she went a bit crazy at him and Doctor Jim. Her BBS is pretty much the last one out of that row of BBSs.
Thanks but she's not the one. There were 3 BBS as of 5 months ago behind Huimei.
She also has a mad brother who swears profanity at you. He would lock you up in the room if you don't choose a girl. Basically I just want to know what their status is now. Anyway, PM her number to me. She might know where everybody went.
All the changes are due to LE activities in CP. It is not a full blown crack down but be cautious when you come to CP to party especially going to the Saunas. Saunas are only taking regular customers so must call ahead to book.
Lastly, the KTVs are still operating mostly in normal mode but Eurasia WGs are not in uniform and no flower street (last week), FuHao is not allowing topless dancing for the month of July. Jin Lang is not allowing full naked stripping until further notice.
BSD
Yikes, CP on lockdown. That is not a good sign. Worse yet, every QQ girl i am talking to says business is very slow at KTV, ok on Th/F/Sat but dead every other day, and they said weekend is okay not great.
Stories about 'emergencies' always get them on QQ. it must work sometimes but after you have heard the same story about some uncle for 8 times, simply it must be a scam most of the time. simply say the government doesn't allow you to send money, the problem is that some schmuck already did and word gets around quickly
Sardaukar1
07-09-10, 15:52
Last time I went to Eurasia, I had a pretty cute gal sit with me. Never took her home, but did get her QQ #. She was on her period (legit or not, no idea), but I had someone else on my other arm, so no big deal. She was my kinda girl, cute face, good attitude.
Anyways, I've been QQing with her for the past few months since I saw her, and it's been friendly.
Recently she said some BS happened and needs money. I said, sorry, I'm in the US, can't help you out. She said, don't you have banks in the US. I said. "No".
JI went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I make it a rule of thumb not to sit any girls who start off by claiming she's on period. 9 out 10 times by the end of the night, you wouldn't be able to convince her to go out with you even if her claim is not legit.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.
SE Asia Joe
07-09-10, 18:31
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I make it a rule of thumb not to sit any girls who start off by claiming she's on period. 9 out 10 times by the end of the night, you wouldn't be able to convince her to go out with you even if her claim is not legit.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.
Sorry - not trying to be an old curmudgeon -
But at just about all KTV's, there ARE gals who do NOT go out and ARE so identified.
It has nothing to do with whether they are on their period or not - they just will not go out - period. (Ouch - lousy choice of words here!!).
As such, it's probably not fair for you to say that there is a lot of BSing going on at Eurasia BASED upon this reason. Yes, there is a lot of BSing here and at other KTV's - but not on this score.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Jettsetter
07-09-10, 18:40
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I make it a rule of thumb not to sit any girls who start off by claiming she's on period. 9 out 10 times by the end of the night, you wouldn't be able to convince her to go out with you even if her claim is not legit.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.I think it depends on the girls. If they sit every night and have no problem getting customers, then they can be more picky... one night of not making AS MUCH money for them (again depending on the girl) is okay if they don't have to go out with certain guys. Often times the non-asians suffer this plague...
But there are other gals who don't care.. who are just there with the primary objective of making money...
I have to constantly remind myself that this is a fantasy land... it's like going to Disneyland.. it's all fake... feels real, but it's not... HElla fun going to Disneyland isn't it??? That's why I have a season pass... but I'm not going to think that Tomorrowland is my real life and that I can really get to Space Mountain...
Anybody else going to be in town in Aug/Sept?
What are you guys' opinions on short trips to Hainan? LAst time i went down there (2003) it wasn't that fun... just felt like a ghetto version of Hawaii... sort of this abandoned feel to it...
has it changed recently??
-J
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I make it a rule of thumb not to sit any girls who start off by claiming she's on period. 9 out 10 times by the end of the night, you wouldn't be able to convince her to go out with you even if her claim is not legit.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.Eurasia girls seem to be of lower service level, and get away with alot of shit. We had one girl that was clearly 'room splitting' until she was told to get lost. The other time we were there we had a good room, some player must have come in they suggested moving our room and did so twice until we were at the end of a hallway. i don't know who agreed to move the room, but they managed to convince someone while we were out searching for girls. without a flower street Eurasia sucks cause any decent talent you will never see unless you are there weekly. i saw girls from swan lake old bbs, and mayflower ktv, that were 'upgraded' to 3/6/9 girls. simply don't see the draw of this place, if you want nice rooms go to Huihua...
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I make it a rule of thumb not to sit any girls who start off by claiming she's on period. 9 out 10 times by the end of the night, you wouldn't be able to convince her to go out with you even if her claim is not legit.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.I think perhaps you are taking the low tag means period thing too literally. They may tell you that's what it signifies, but that's just something to say to save face. Sometimes it means period, sometimes it doesn't, but they tell you it is anyway. There is no such thing as "legit reason." It can be whatever reason. The girls can choose to do whatever they want with their tags, after all, it's prostitution, not slavery.
Obviously, the easy way to avoid this is to just pick girls who don't have a low tag.
Francois75
07-09-10, 21:34
Whatever reason. The girls can choose to do whatever they want with their tags, after all, it's prostitution, not slavery.
Good reply!
What does it matter what the reason is? Legit or not you ain't getting any so move on. They don't want to go out then so what? At least you don't have to waste any time, effort, money on them. A few years ago I picked one girl to sit with me. She had a no takeout tag on her but I did not know that. I found out later and had to waste my 200 RMB on her. Now THAT sucks! There are more than enough girls there for just about anyone.
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
I went to Eurasia twice recently, and I find this "period" issue is very common among the pretty girls. So many pretty girls that I had intended to pick all wore their tags below their waist (signal that they are on period), that I strongly suspect they're not doing it for legit reasons.
There is a lot of BSing going on at this Eurasia KTV.A few thursdays ago, I was in CP. I had dinner at a restaurant and a girl from Eurasia called me. She is one of those "always red" girls I talked about a few pages back.
Pretty much all KTVs have their girls go to work on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday or else they'd get penalized. Anyway, she came over at 7:20 or so and had dinner with us. Pretty surprised since it was a Thursday and I never promised I'd pay for her night with me. haha. But one of the benefits of wearing a red tag. She can go to work and then leave whenever.
Anyway, she left after dinner with us and went to the internet bar. probably played majong the entire night with her friends. oh well.
Meiguoguizi
07-10-10, 09:19
Would someone please explain to a stupid laowai the reason to pick a beautiful women in a CP KTV knowing that she is unavailable to return to your bed.
Is it just to grab her ass? To fantasize about while you do her less attractive coworker? The challenge of convincing her to change her 'status' to available?
Window shopping in a bakery?
Guys on the ground, please update us on how serious the crackdown is. I am rolling in with a crew of five people, and I really don't want to disappoint them. As you can see, I have been there a few times (including a very bad experience), but I am worried about crackdown.
Thanks Guys!
Big Swingin Dave
07-11-10, 03:05
Two BBS behind the Hui Mei alley have opened back up. Also, found out that the rest of the Hui Meil BBS (probably another 3-4) has consolidated into one BBS inside the Lucky Hotel. Prices are still the same...150.
Swan Lake has now only Sammy's shop in the alley to the right of the hotel lobby. Yalan unchanged. Did not check out the night market to see if it has reopened or not... will let everyone know once I venture out there in the next few evenings...
BSD
Jettsetter
07-11-10, 06:58
Would someone please explain to a stupid laowai the reason to pick a beautiful women in a CP KTV knowing that she is unavailable to return to your bed.
Is it just to grab her ass? To fantasize about while you do her less attractive coworker? The challenge of convincing her to change her 'status' to available?
Window shopping in a bakery?
Well, I'll speak for myself and no-one else... I generally don't take anyone who is "unavailable," BUT sometimes you have a good connection on the flower street, and you want to create the contact for the next time you're around, etc...
My last time in Eurasia, I saw this gal I really liked, my cup of tea.. .when I found out she was on the rag, I released her back and kept looking but not finding anyone that beat her in terms of what I liked, I talked to her some more, got her number, and picked another gal...
Wrestling with the idea, I finally decided to pick her up to just "sit" so I could hang out and build on that... I still got a girl I could F, and got to play with the other girl for "next time"...
I'll sometimes pick a girl knowing I probably won't take her back for her "potential"... thinking about the next time... so 200 for the "interview" process - if it's good, then she'll get my repeat business... if it's no good, then I guess I made a bad choice that night.
Point is, I was just planning ahead in hopes of finding that gem that we're always looking for... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...
I usually am very reluctant to get someone who is "unavailable that night" but sometimes, I'll go with it...
-J
Would someone please explain to a stupid laowai the reason to pick a beautiful women in a CP KTV knowing that she is unavailable to return to your bed.
Is it just to grab her ass? To fantasize about while you do her less attractive coworker? The challenge of convincing her to change her 'status' to available?
Window shopping in a bakery?
I do it all the time. Basically, it's because I rarely take the girls back to my hotel. If during the course of the night, I get horny, it's no big deal, I can just go to a sauna afterwards.
I don't really look at KTV as a place to find girls to fuck. I look at it as a place to hang out with friends and get drunk. The girls are an added attraction to make it that much more fun. Also, I always pick more than one, so regardless, there's always going to be someone who's getting thrown back.
Oh yeah, if a particular girl does pique my interest during the course of the night and if I remember during my drunken stupor, I'll usually get her phone number. I think I have numbers for about 50-100 model girls from all over DG and SZ, some whom I have called afterwards to hook up. Sad thing though, I can't for the life of me remember most of their faces anymore, or where they even work. I really have to start taking their photos and logging in their workplace with their contact info. I posted a couple pix of one such girl who I hooked up with afterwards.
Guys on the ground, please update us on how serious the crackdown is. I am rolling in with a crew of five people, and I really don't want to disappoint them. As you can see, I have been there a few times (including a very bad experience), but I am worried about crackdown.
Thanks Guys!
For guys coming on vacation for a few days, there's no such thing as crackdown. Basically, crackdown affects the lower end of the market more than the higher end. Guys on vacation usually don't care if they have to spend a few hundred more RMB for a fuck. I guess it could put a bit of a crimp on things if a guy has a fetish or a strong preference for BBS girls, but otherwise, it's really not a big deal because there are always other options, although it may cost a little more.
I remember being in DG during the worst crackdown EVER, right after the Sichuan earthquake. It didn't change any of my friends' activities. We even managed to go to KTV, even though they were all supposed to be closed. There was definitely no shortage of girls.
StinkyFeet
07-11-10, 14:47
Point is, I was just planning ahead in hopes of finding that gem that we're always looking for... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...
boy, when it work though.... its one of the best experiences in life. only happen to me once out of a half dozen red tag girls. even to this day. i still think back on those two years with her.
Two BBS behind the Hui Mei alley have opened back up. Also, found out that the rest of the Hui Meil BBS (probably another 3-4) has consolidated into one BBS inside the Lucky Hotel. Prices are still the same...150.
Swan Lake has now only Sammy's shop in the alley to the right of the hotel lobby. Yalan unchanged. Did not check out the night market to see if it has reopened or not... will let everyone know once I venture out there in the next few evenings...
BSD
Thanks! You are awesome!
Fast Eddie 48
07-11-10, 23:31
Two BBS behind the Hui Mei alley have opened back up. Also, found out that the rest of the Hui Meil BBS (probably another 3-4) has consolidated into one BBS inside the Lucky Hotel. Prices are still the same...150.
Swan Lake has now only Sammy's shop in the alley to the right of the hotel lobby. Yalan unchanged. Did not check out the night market to see if it has reopened or not... will let everyone know once I venture out there in the next few evenings...
BSDBSD,
I am so suprise that Lucky let a BBS operate inside their hotel ,maybe that is the only way they can stay in business .there are a BBS in a buliding across from fubao ktv on the 11th floor and the 5 th fl of Jaimei hotel behind the Miraton are they still open .
Fast eddie 48
Big Swingin Dave
07-12-10, 10:07
Last night went to the Lucky Hotel, upon arrival there, there was something wrong...no mommies outside. Went through every floor, could not find the BBS inside the lucky hotel, so will do more research on this and get back to everyone on the status of the BBS inside this hotel.
The BBS that is behind the HuiMei hotel is now charging 200 instead of 150...damn!
The best find of the evening was the newly relocated night market...well, sort of... Was curious to see if the night market has reopened since the HuiMei BBS have sprung back opened but it was deserted and very very clean! As we were approaching the main road, our disappointment quickly disappeared as we saw an old familiar Night Market mommie. She gave us a ride to...Jun Hui Hotel (across the street from the Manhattan apartment). She has opened shop on the 3rd floor of the Jun Hui Hotel. She told me that she has girls there available with the old price of 130 for ST and 400 for LT from 7pm to 7am...NICE!!!
As the BBS in CP continually changing, will keep everyone updated accordingly.
BSD
Robin Mill
07-12-10, 11:01
. She told me that she has girls there available with the old price of 130 for ST and 400 for LT from 7pm to 7am...NICE!!!
As the BBS in CP continually changing, will keep everyone updated accordingly.
BSD
Yes!!! We should all help to bring the price down! Frankly, KTV at 2-5-8 and some even at 3-6-9 or 5-8-10 is bullshit!
and the normal cost of 200 ST, and the mommy taking half of it? Crap!
HuiMei BBS in the past is decent as the cost is 150 ST, and mummy take 50.
But many stop going there becuase of a stupid dickhead 'daddy' who use hard sell tactic.
As price keep going up for KTV, i believe BBS will too someday.
Remember, the management keep the extra cost, and not the gals who served us.
Would someone please explain to a stupid laowai the reason to pick a beautiful women in a CP KTV knowing that she is unavailable to return to your bed.
Is it just to grab her ass? To fantasize about while you do her less attractive coworker? The challenge of convincing her to change her 'status' to available?
Window shopping in a bakery?
Suppose you are there for business. yes alot of after dinner business 'meetings' are there more for gaining trust through drinking. so you probably don't want to take back - as alot of them will/do not - or at least not in front of new customers. in other cities KTV is only for drinking not takeout, much more rare for takeout. it does happen but it is at girls choice not yours. at one place i was told 'after i knew her' she would come out. not on first visit sort of like dating them in the ktv (a few put out on first date, others you have to work).
So pick the beauty to sit knowing you won't take her back - there is no temptation to do so, fondle a little, perhaps get a number. Go to sauna afterwards.
SE Asia Joe
07-12-10, 15:47
In the past, any crackdowns in CP sooner or later blows over - and when "activities" re-starts, things get even wilder still i.e. more BBS's opens up, the KTV's get more brash, more naked and crazier etc.
I'd like to think AND CERTAINLY HOPE that the same will happen this time around again. But I'm not as positive/optimistic this time around as I was the last few times. And even if this round of crackdowns does go away, I'd think that subsequent crack downs will start to get more and more onerous....and eventually DRIVE THE SEX INDUSTRY in CP, towards higher priced and easier to regulate venues.
I saw what happened in Hainan Island, then Sha Tsui and other areas in shenzhen, and then Zhuhai - just to name a few in our immediate area. All of these places were optimistically proclaimed by all and sundry to be too dependent on the sex industry to EVER turn decent.
Well, see what's subsequently happened - They've turned into genteel and decent places that REMAINS as prosperous and bringing in the riches and Tax RMB's. They're thriving without the sex industry in your and every body's faces.
See all the nice and grand KTV's opened up just recently in CP. No, they ain't all gonna be 'cracked-down" on - instead I can see that this is the direction that CP is headed for. Hotel KTV's and saunas AND less and less BBS's and cheap joints.
And another "problem" for CP right now is of course the explosive rate of general wage increases happening throughout GD right now. When the workers at Foxconn and Honda succeeded in doubling up their wages within a few weeks - this started a wage inflation that is gonna start to bedevil all strata and varied types of employment DG in the next foreseeable future; Including the Sex industry!
When one can earn RMB 2,000 (plus housing, meals, pension payment and other extras) working at a factory - why would a girl still want to sell her body at the night market for RMB 130 a pop and probably earn less than RMB 5,000/month - while still having to pay out at least RMB 2000/month for housing, meals, make-up, hair-dressing, transport etc.
Just my apprehensive pessimism showing up/IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-12-10, 15:53
just got back from chang ping this week-end.
the ktv's seems to still be ok with not much more to report (especially since i didn't even go to any!!).
the bbs's though - the only bbs operating at swan lake road is that of sammy/sandy's - down that alley to the right of when you get out of the swan lake hotel and the selection at 4 pm yesterday (sunday) was terrible! only about 10 or so gals and they weren't even worth it for the mommies to bother to push on bruce tea, rompz and i. they knew that the quality ain't there and that it wouldn't make any sense/difference for them to push. the swan lake hotel ktv room/bbs itself only opens at 6 pm.
over at yalan, the 2 bbs's operating at the silver star ktv had equally few and bad quality gals - but here - as usual, that crazy mommie rainbow was still trying to push her pork chops on us/and actually closing the door without the handle to keep us in, (needs a pair of pliers to turn the handle - which another mommie was keeping at the back of the room!).
no, not really in a nasty way - more her fooling around with me as usual but only ended when i started chasing her around and tickling her and practically making her [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in her pants!! same sad scenario in the first room and the room next to the snooker room in the alley behind the silver star. rest of the bbs's - empty and closed down.
went off to the lucky hotel to try to hunt up some bbs rooms that bsdave mentioned as now being open there - but no luck at all - so decided to go to the only bbs open behind the hui mei , the one with the real beauty salon/make-up shop in front (and the oldest one there actually and confirmed by chiu chow bo, the head mommie - who tells me that the exact date she started there was 2003!).
pretty good selection and approximately 25-30 gals. impressive!! so we picked a couple of them to accompany us - only guess what?? the price there is now rmb 200 - not 150!! and chiu chow bo wouldn't back down and told us that the only reason she was at 150 was that the other shop had opened and thus she had to match the price.
"but look at what happened to them - at rmb 150 and pork chops, of course they're closed now. i'm now the only one here and it's 200 - take it or leave it!!"
beatch!!
oh well!!
seaj
In the past, any crackdowns in CP sooner or later blows over - and when "activities" re-starts, things get even wilder still i.e. more BBS's opens up, the KTV's get more brash, more naked and crazier etc.
I'd like to think AND CERTAINLY HOPE that the same will happen this time around again. But I'm not as positive/optimistic this time around as I was the last few times. And even if this round of crackdowns does go away, I'd think that subsequent crack downs will start to get more and more onerous....and eventually DRIVE THE SEX INDUSTRY in CP, towards higher priced and easier to regulate venues.
I saw what happened in Hainan Island, then Sha Tsui and other areas in shenzhen, and then Zhuhai - just to name a few in our immediate area. All of these places were optimistically proclaimed by all and sundry to be too dependent on the sex industry to EVER turn decent.
Well, see what's subsequently happened - They've turned into genteel and decent places that REMAINS as prosperous and bringing in the riches and Tax RMB's. They're thriving without the sex industry in your and every body's faces.
See all the nice and grand KTV's opened up just recently in CP. No, they ain't all gonna be 'cracked-down" on - instead I can see that this is the direction that CP is headed for. Hotel KTV's and saunas AND less and less BBS's and cheap joints.
And another "problem" for CP right now is of course the explosive rate of general wage increases happening throughout GD right now. When the workers at Foxconn and Honda succeeded in doubling up their wages within a few weeks - this started a wage inflation that is gonna start to bedevil all strata and varied types of employment DG in the next foreseeable future; Including the Sex industry!
When one can earn RMB 2,000 (plus housing, meals, pension payment and other extras) working at a factory - why would a girl still want to sell her body at the night market for RMB 130 a pop and probably earn less than RMB 5,000/month - while still having to pay out at least RMB 2000/month for housing, meals, make-up, hair-dressing, transport etc.
Just my apprehensive pessimism showing up/IMHO
SEAJ
SEAJ you are absolutely right. My line of work is related to analysis and the trends are not good. Not only is the pool of young people shrinking in China; the pool of young ladies shrinking even faster due to imbalance sex ratio. So, enjoy it while it last, because it will get expensive soon! I will certainly enjoy myself when I arrive tomorrow!
Jettsetter
07-12-10, 18:27
SEAJ you are absolutely right. My line of work is related to analysis and the trends are not good. Not only is the pool of young people shrinking in China; the pool of young ladies shrinking even faster due to imbalance sex ratio. So, enjoy it while it last, because it will get expensive soon! I will certainly enjoy myself when I arrive tomorrow!
But as SEAJ promptly pointed out... When one star has died out.. another one is reborn... I guess it's the order of life huh? Haha....
While CP may eventually die out.. there will be somewhere... which we will find that will be the NEW - CP... Old Vegas.. New Vegas... Old CP - New CP.. somewhere...
The fun is locating, exploring and hobbying...
Happy hunting...
I personally want ot check out South America... we'll see...
-J
As someone pointed out to me, the supply used to follow the factories. As factories dwindled in Shenzhen so did supply, except you still have a few girls going to the 'big city' Shenzhen now. So as the factories move outward you would think the supply would move there, except now these factories are not dorm-type factories - like dongguan but draw from local sources, meaning the girls live at home.
what you might see still is that these girls live at home, will not LT but go to work at KTV at night and no one is the wiser. note alot of smaller cities have the pink curtain places... still don't know if they are full service or HJ places, i believe many might be both depending. sometimes you see streets of these (20 or more), I've seen some with curtains open and other with curtains closed. everyone knows what they are for, and I assume since they stay in business they get customers.
CP most certainly will die out some, from the bottom end up. I can't imagine all the hotels going vacant so you will still have service inside the hotels, but at what price and what quality. already over the past 2 years I think the quality has gone down. before you would never see an old porkchop at a KTV now look at mayflower with the 1500 girls, they accept all qualities.
the bbs is already 1/2 of what it was. this might be more to the new ktvs opening up though, requiring supply of girls, taking them from bbs of 100 a try to the ktv of 500 st (keep 300 after fees). if they can drink and learn to go to a ktv.
i met two former bbs girls recruited to go to the ktv. think about the recruitment process. go to bbs, select girl. do her and then tell her she could get 300 for doing that tonite at ktv.
right now I think the mayflower, eurasia, haixia, .... have spread the talent too thin. the new ktvs are certainly part of the cause of the decline of the bbs. they only had say 100 in the swan lake area, remove 50 to ktv, now you close 1/2 of the locations. alot of girls used the bbs to get the entry fee to the ktv, now they simply might be able to join with no fee, skip the middle man skip the bbs stint.
I have a feeling we'll all be booking flights from HK to Chongqing to get our fix in the near future.
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 03:26
Sucking Dick and being able to put together iPhones do not use the same skillset.
Girls don't live at home instead of dorms because most WGs are not Guaungdong natives so they don't have a real home in DG or SZ. They go to Shenzhen because it is where there are lots of Hong Kong mongers there as it is close to the border.
And where the WGs are has nothing to do with where the factories are. You can get to SZ from DG for around RMB 70 so gals are highly mobile and despite the hard luck stories if you believe them, not all gals are ex-factories workers with sick water buffalos. Some actually do it because they like fucking wrinkly old men and getting paid for it.
not all gals are ex-factories workers with sick water buffalos. Some actually do it because they like fucking wrinkly old men and getting paid for it.
ok to be fair there is a mix of ex-factory girls, farm girls who have a 'friend' that recruited them (usually girlfriend from same town especially during cny), and lastly there are the girls who just like to fuck, have no skill set and get paid for it.
I think this has been debated / discussed quite a bit, but I'll weigh in and respectfully disagree with a number of your points.
Of course WG's follow the factories. Factories bring foreign (eg. Taiwanese) investor / owners who need some relief. Not to mention the business that gets done in the way of meetings and travelers coming to "factory towns" to do business.
I also think you missed the point as to Freepeaks was saying about staying at home - - the way I read his post, it seemed he was saying that going forward as factories move out into broader geographies there will be the potential for more local supply. Who knows, really.
I also disagree with your skillset comment - - remember - the factory workers aren't working the next leap innovation in iPhone technology - - they are part of a line...
I do agree, however, that some of the WG's do enjoy the work / see it as a relatively easier way to make a living.
Besides all that - - we're good !!
For what its worth.......
By the way - - hoping to hook up with a bunch of you guys week of Oct 23. Yeah yeah its amateur hour with Canton Fair in town and all, but just using the Fair as an excuse to get away for a week. Hoping we can get some guys together and have BSD host some great nights !
D23
Sucking Dick and being able to put together iPhones do not use the same skillset.
Girls don't live at home instead of dorms because most WGs are not Guaungdong natives so they don't have a real home in DG or SZ. They go to Shenzhen because it is where there are lots of Hong Kong mongers there as it is close to the border.
And where the WGs are has nothing to do with where the factories are. You can get to SZ from DG for around RMB 70 so gals are highly mobile and despite the hard luck stories if you believe them, not all gals are ex-factories workers with sick water buffalos. Some actually do it because they like fucking wrinkly old men and getting paid for it.
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 04:45
I think this has been debated / discussed quite a bit, but I'll weigh in and respectfully disagree with a number of your points.
Of course WG's follow the factories. Factories bring foreign (eg. Taiwanese) investor / owners who need some relief. Not to mention the business that gets done in the way of meetings and travelers coming to "factory towns" to do business.
I also think you missed the point as to Freepeaks was saying about staying at home - - the way I read his post, it seemed he was saying that going forward as factories move out into broader geographies there will be the potential for more local supply. Who knows, really.
I also disagree with your skillset comment - - remember - the factory workers aren't working the next leap innovation in iPhone technology - - they are part of a line...
I do agree, however, that some of the WG's do enjoy the work / see it as a relatively easier way to make a living.
Besides all that - - we're good !!
For what its worth.......
By the way - - hoping to hook up with a bunch of you guys week of Oct 23. Yeah yeah its amateur hour with Canton Fair in town and all, but just using the Fair as an excuse to get away for a week. Hoping we can get some guys together and have BSD host some great nights !
D23
The business theory may have held 15 or so years ago, but if you go to places like CP now, it is mainly for Hong Kong guys now whose only business in China is pussy.
True, true.
And I guess I'm a case in point - coming to CP for a week is now on my calendar like a Vegas trip.
The business theory may have held 15 or so years ago, but if you go to places like CP now, it is mainly for Hong Kong guys now whose only business in China is pussy.
Sucking Dick and being able to put together iPhones do not use the same skillset.
They're not the same skill set, but not necessarily exclusionary. Ted Williams was a world class baseball player, but also a world class fly fisherman, and a world class pilot. Who knows, maybe there are some girls who are real good at repetitive movements, which might translate somehow to being good at both iPhone assembly and sex.
That aside, I think you're more or less right. Most working girls do NOT start off as factory girls, they pretty much start off as working girls. That's not to say it never happens, but the most common stories I hear are of some type of recruitment. Some of them may start off as working girls, go to legit work, then realize they make bupkus and return. That's a pretty common story too.
I have a feeling we'll all be booking flights from HK to Chongqing to get our fix in the near future.
I think stories of the demise of Dongguan are greatly exaggerated. Even if every single sex outlet in CP were to close down, there's still thousands all over Dongguan within 40 minutes. I've been to over a dozen small towns all over DG, and there's always places. Even bigger towns like DG City and Houjie have tons of places. Just go to any foot massage place, almost all of them offer extra services. Also, there's no way KTV is going anywhere. It's an Asian thing and you can find them just about any Asian country including developed ones like South Korea.
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 07:43
They're not the same skill set, but not necessarily exclusionary. Ted Williams was a world class baseball player, but also a world class fly fisherman, and a world class pilot. Who knows, maybe there are some girls who are real good at repetitive movements, which might translate somehow to being good at both iPhone assembly and sex.
That aside, I think you're more or less right. Most working girls do NOT start off as factory girls, they pretty much start off as working girls. That's not to say it never happens, but the most common stories I hear are of some type of recruitment. Some of them may start off as working girls, go to legit work, then realize they make bupkus and return. That's a pretty common story too.
Not sure if you read Chinese newspapers but last week there was a girl featured in a Macau Sauna I know I did a few times at Seibu. Her story is that she was courted by a guy from her own village and sold to a BBS. Last I heard she was arrested and hurried home to intercept the letter the LE sent to her home informing them what they have been busted for.
For newbies, it sounds better if the gals says she is not a harden pro.
As for the demise of CP, I still remember when the KTV across the road from the Red Lion where the girls were RMB600 for the night was the "only" action in town and places like Changan only had girls sold out of the back of a freight container for RMB50 whereas the road from Changan to Tai Ping had well over 100 signs with the words "KTV" on them. So like you said one place closes, another opens up.
SE Asia Joe
07-13-10, 10:09
As for the demise of CP, I still remember when the KTV across the road from the Red Lion where the girls were RMB600 for the night was the "only" action in town and places like Changan only had girls sold out of the back of a freight container for RMB50 whereas the road from Changan to Tai Ping had well over 100 signs with the words "KTV" on them. So like you said one place closes, another opens up.
Am of course not sure myself what's gonna happen - but what you say is PERHAPS the mind set that of a lot of us have been having for the longest time IN THE PAST. There's ALWAYS action to be had in China - and in fact, the numbers, variety and localities always seemed to INCREASE and never decrease.
Well, I am bringing up the point that PERHAPS, this may NOT hold true this time around/in the near future. The signs, trends, social and economic development etc this time around seem to spell that the turning point in the sex industry is perhaps nigh.
Labour - getting increasingly militant, demanding AND getting massive increments. To the point that hooking at RMB 100-200 just no longer makes much sense when you can make close to that taking on a regular job.
Society - the 18-21 Y.O. are increasingly better educated, with higher expectations and are Internet educated to know that el cheapo sex work is not an option they'd consider. Besides which, they are nowadays so realistically materialistic that they'd rather have short term pain to get long term gain. i.e. you become a low-priced hooker, you remain low priced in everything else.
Government - making all the noises that this time around, they are determined AND acting in concert, and in line with general society's demands that the sex industry should be reigned in. I'd say mongers will usually NOT shout from the roof tops demanding an expansion of the sex industry - but the moralists? the Housewives? The politicians? The New middle class - hell, they're a uniform chorus!!
I can go on etc - but enough!! As the point I'm trying to make is just that THIS TIME AROUND, things MAY BE different.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. I am mostly NOT talking about the KTV's and large/hotel saunas per se - rather, it's the BBS's and other cheap sex options. Perhaps even the KTV's etc will get toned down too
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 14:54
Am of course not sure myself what's gonna happen - but what you say is PERHAPS the mind set that of a lot of us have been having for the longest time IN THE PAST. There's ALWAYS action to be had in China - and in fact, the numbers, variety and localities always seemed to INCREASE and never decrease.
Well, I am bringing up the point that PERHAPS, this may NOT hold true this time around/in the near future. The signs, trends, social and economic development etc this time around seem to spell that the turning point in the sex industry is perhaps nigh.
Labour - getting increasingly militant, demanding AND getting massive increments. To the point that hooking at RMB 100-200 just no longer makes much sense when you can make close to that taking on a regular job.
Society - the 18-21 Y.O. are increasingly better educated, with higher expectations and are Internet educated to know that el cheapo sex work is not an option they'd consider. Besides which, they are nowadays so realistically materialistic that they'd rather have short term pain to get long term gain. i.e. you become a low-priced hooker, you remain low priced in everything else.
Government - making all the noises that this time around, they are determined AND acting in concert, and in line with general society's demands that the sex industry should be reigned in. I'd say mongers will usually NOT shout from the roof tops demanding an expansion of the sex industry - but the moralists? the Housewives? The politicians? The New middle class - hell, they're a uniform chorus!!
I can go on etc - but enough!! As the point I'm trying to make is just that THIS TIME AROUND, things MAY BE different.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. I am mostly NOT talking about the KTV's and large/hotel saunas per se - rather, it's the BBS's and other cheap sex options. Perhaps even the KTV's etc will get toned down too
I have changed my base of operations 6 or more times in the time I have been here. There is always someplace else. You may just not hear about it on ISG.
So there are not thousands of gals wandering the streets in Sha Zui or Tai Ping like in the past, but have you been to Xia Chuen Dao? What about Seibu lat night after midnight?
I am not in the habit of trying to predict the workings of the Central Government and am of the opinion if they did not want it to exist, it would be all gone tomorrow.
And 100 - 200 for 1/2 hour's work is a lot more than most make anywhere. Most pretty girl's can make 500 in an afternoon at a BBS in SZ. They obviously did well at mathematics at school. I have seen girls go up to rooms 2 times in the space of 20 minutes while talking to a mama at BBS.
Labour - getting increasingly militant, demanding AND getting massive increments. To the point that hooking at RMB 100-200 just no longer makes much sense when you can make close to that taking on a regular job.
The obvious impact of this is that the price of sex will go up. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all if within the next year, places that were 150-200 go up to 200-300.
The employers can go protest all they want, and perhaps even hold a lock out, but if labor concertedly decides to increase prices, the employers will begrudgingly pay it, just like Toyota and Foxconn did.
To be honest, I don't think it's that big a deal if prices go up. Sure it's a little inconvenient, but I seriously doubt another 50-100RMB is going to put that big a crimp in people's wallets. Sure, it's nice to have it cheaper, but honestly, I don't see many refusing to partake because of either principle or economics, especially for guys who are on holiday.
Also, most hookers can't hack it at a regular job. There's just too much freedom in hooking compared to working at a factory or even an office. There are certain personality traits that make a successful hooker, and these do not necessarily translate well to working in a factory, and may very well be detrimental to success in a factory setting.
I have changed my base of operations 6 or more times in the time I have been here. There is always someplace else. You may just not hear about it on ISG.
I think too many people think the state of CP is the state of all of DG. I think a lot of guys who post in this thread don't go anywhere else, or their experience in other places is very limited. I've said before, and I'll say it again, the only thing CP has going for it is the density of options available that makes things very convenient. Otherwise, better and/or cheaper options can be found all over DG.
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 17:13
The obvious impact of this is that the price of sex will go up. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all if within the next year, places that were 150-200 go up to 200-300.
The employers can go protest all they want, and perhaps even hold a lock out, but if labor concertedly decides to increase prices, the employers will begrudgingly pay it, just like Toyota and Foxconn did.
To be honest, I don't think it's that big a deal if prices go up. Sure it's a little inconvenient, but I seriously doubt another 50-100RMB is going to put that big a crimp in people's wallets. Sure, it's nice to have it cheaper, but honestly, I don't see many refusing to partake because of either principle or economics, especially for guys who are on holiday.
Also, most hookers can't hack it at a regular job. There's just too much freedom in hooking compared to working at a factory or even an office. There are certain personality traits that make a successful hooker, and these do not necessarily translate well to working in a factory, and may very well be detrimental to success in a factory setting.
Not sure if I would agree with you about a price rise as the mainstay of BBS patrons are blue collar Hong Kong mongers. With the rise in the RMB, crackdowns and the cheap cost of WGs in places like Mong Kok, if they put the price up their business would take a downturn.
Despite what most guys think of their sexual prowess, most take around 5 minutes to have sex, so a gal acutally works a total of 25 minutes in a day to service 5 customers and gets paid enough to not have to work for a week. Not much incentive to work in a factory and it is not easy to geta job at Foxconn.
I do find that hookers have really fast Chinese typing skills with all the time they spend on qq at Cyber Cafes. I even have a little friend that brings her netbook to my place when she comes to visit.
Bob Builder
07-13-10, 17:20
I think too many people think the state of CP is the state of all of DG. I think a lot of guys who post in this thread don't go anywhere else, or their experience in other places is very limited. I've said before, and I'll say it again, the only thing CP has going for it is the density of options available that makes things very convenient. Otherwise, better and/or cheaper options can be found all over DG.
Agree with you 100% and if everything is not all clustered together, it doesnt exist or is dying. If anything places like CP are best avoided on weekends and if you go during the week, you get to sample the real hotties that are being kept by Hong Kong boyfriends who come out to play when the cats away.
. Most working girls do NOT start off as factory girls, they pretty much start off as working girls. That's not to say it never happens, but the most common stories I hear are of some type of recruitment. Some of them may start off as working girls, go to legit work, then realize they make bupkus and return. That's a pretty common story too.
I think a higher percentage start at factory than you think. In my last trip I met three that all started at factory, saw a poster for 'welcoming girl' for 2k/month. Easy money right? then they see the XJ making 4x that maybe and having fun and just fall into it.
Others follow their friends... I would note that the previous factory girls last shorter time cause they don't know what they are getting into, the girl-girl recruited ones of course know the game and last longer as they make the decision to go into the game.
then there are the boyfriend/pimp recruited ones that move to CP with a small harem to put into employment.... we've all heard and seen that story.
As much as I appreciate economic analysis, there is a serious problem of the crackdown. I spent half an hour convincing the mommy at Penin to give us service. Fortunately, one of us was a caucasian so they were convinced that we are not cops. What's withthat? Is this the pattern all over? !!
Sucking Dick and being able to put together iPhones do not use the same skillset.
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Word! my gal last night said she got fired from cell phone factory cause she couldn't see small things! I guess she only has to see big things now in her current job!
Bob Builder
07-14-10, 03:40
I think a higher percentage start at factory than you think. In my last trip I met three that all started at factory, saw a poster for 'welcoming girl' for 2k/month. Easy money right? then they see the XJ making 4x that maybe and having fun and just fall into it.
Others follow their friends... I would note that the previous factory girls last shorter time cause they don't know what they are getting into, the girl-girl recruited ones of course know the game and last longer as they make the decision to go into the game.
then there are the boyfriend/pimp recruited ones that move to CP with a small harem to put into employment.... we've all heard and seen that story.
The welcoming girl does not have to get felt up and fecked by the customers and while the girls might appear that they have fun, its all about the money. If anything if the welcoming girl is good looking which they should be for their job, they normally end up being the kept girlfriend of a KTV regular.
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 04:54
As much as I appreciate economic analysis, there is a serious problem of the crackdown. I spent half an hour convincing the mommy at Penin to give us service. Fortunately, one of us was a caucasian so they were convinced that we are not cops. What's withthat? Is this the pattern all over? !!
WELCOME to Chang Ping!!
July 14, 2010
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 09:41
About the soonest demise of CP
How it's all crack down -crack down - crack down nowadays
Might as well C+P a report I did on another forum about a cutey pie a while back. When CP was still in its full bloom!
Better than all this doom and gloom..... I hope:
Name: Janice – yes BBS gals do have English names!! This one’s Janice!!
Where: CP from Baby’s shop in the alley down from the Swan Lake Hotel.
Face: 4.5/5 - Cutey Cutey Cutey – and very pretty!
Body: 3/5 – not much tits but very taut and smooth bod! FRAGRANT TOO!! YUMMY!!
Service: 5/5 – she’s an ex-sauna gal – WTF is she doing at a BBS??!!@#@$!!
Skill: another solid 5/5… of course!
GFE: Very much so, lots of conversation and snuggles and laughter. Just like how a GF should be!! (ain’t it a beatch that a GF lots of time actually do not give GFE?! Hmmm..!!)
Language: Cantonese and Mandarin
Age: I’d say 18 or 19 max!
Price: RMB 100 to Momma, 100 supposedly to her … plus of course a nice fat tip for staying with me till the next afternoon!
More//
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 09:42
Detailed account of experience.
Was having a bit of a downer as one of my favorite regulars was having a bit of a hard time – and this had affected my relationship with her. And Damn….I used to have such a good time with her!! But that’s another story, another time – just that I was NOT having a good time during that particular time earlier this year.
Anyway, Chang Ping is NOT a place where a guy should OR CAN feel blue-sy too long! Not when the quantity and the pickin’ is what it is! So that one fine afternoon, I took a gander towards the Yalan/Swan Lake area and just let myself be waylaid by all the mommies with their outlandish promises of Angels and Raving beauties….. all just for me.
Looked through one, two, three places at Yalan – and BLAH!!
Hmmmm… how come one’s mood can affect one’s perception of what’s nice or not nice??!!
Oh well, just kept on going and wandered over to Baby’s shop – and was welcomed enthusiastically by Xu-er, the worst-as-she’s-so-nice mommie on the street and by humongous-titted Hainan girl who’s another one of my stand-by regulars….. and was still feeling BLAH!
Then Hainan girl dragged me over to…..OHMIGAWD!!! A CLOWN!!
In a silly tartan checked baseball cap on side-ways, huge dangly ugly blue earrings and the goofiest spectacles perched halfway down her nose! Who Jumped on me and kept on jumping up and down and giving me pecks on my cheek!
Hainan Gal was slapping the Clown’s back and screaming – “See, See, he’s here he’s here!! I told you, I told you!!”
WTF??!! Apparently Hainan gal was buddy-buddy with Janice (Yup that’s the Clown’s name!!) and she had been telling her all about me …. Or whatever!!!
“You gotta go with her, You gotta go!! She’s an ex-sauna gal – and she’s just your type. Go!! Go! GOOOOOO!!”
And off I went with her – goofy cap and silly comic tee-shirt and all. And out in the sun, I started to notice that she wasn’t bad looking at all. Not bad at all… and she did smell so nice!!! A nice Fragrant gal – my favorite!! Yeah, fragrance gets to me!!
And conversation too! Yeah, she was another chatter box with lots of cutey cutey things to say, accompanied by cutey cutey grabbing of arms and body, gentle nudges and pokes and pecks and… nice natural laughter….. even in her clown get-up!
Back at the room it was NOT down to business – instead it was more conversations, slow undressing, posing for me each step of her strip down and a ball licking EVEN BEFORE we cleaned up. Amazing!! Or so I thought – until she explained that this is a trick she learned at the sauna. She’d make sure she’d snuggle up to a guy’s balls BEFORE a shower as she wants to smell the guy’s dick “au naturelle” and thus determine if he’s “clean or dirty.” Doing this also gives her lots of +++ with the guy who thinks that she’s so pliant and so giving of herself as to volunteer doing so. Hmmm…. Good trick there Janice!!
//more//
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 09:43
The body – OH YEAH!! The body!! Not the biggest tits, not the most shapely- but oh so Taut and tight!! And smooth!! And Pink!! And a cute (I think) Tats on top of a neat little bush!! NICE!!
And a Water BBBJ whilst in the shower!! Now you guys probably don’t think much of Shower BBBJ’s but in China – well, this “art” is not practiced that often YET! And of course I truly enjoyed the glorious feeling of a nice stream of warm water cascading down my back, whilst my li’l cutie is bobbing her head up and down on my li’l head!
And off to the bed…. And basically full sauna services from Janice! Don’t want to make this report too long – but you know what all that is – Body slide, cat licking front and back and hands and fingers and toes, followed by backdoor tongue cleaning to a blow job that only a sauna gal know how to blow and of course… ride ‘em cowboy in all its variations and glory!!
And of course the question – “Why are you working as a BBS gal when you’re such a good sauna gal??” “I don’t know” she replied, “My cuz told me to come and keep her company here”
And…..??!!
“Well, it’s a lot more fun and I can chit chat with her and the other girls and have more freedom and be in and out and the money ain’t THAT bad here. It’s so boring at the sauna – the whole time just doing doing doing without any rest or anything. I’ll die if I do it for too much longer. Maybe next week if I get bored here.”
Amazing how these gals in China seem to NOT have any fixed agenda or ambition in life – just a day-to-day existence without much care OR worry that their lives is NOT gonna be all OK. Amazing to me anyway!
“How about a KTV?” I asked.
“I cannot drink and I cannot sing. I like partying at a KTV though – only I know I cain’t make it as a KTV gal – too much pretending.”
Anyway… this report is getting too long – PLUS, most of you’re just here to look at pixs anyway aintcha??!!
And oh, I took her to the Peninsula KTV that night to party with my friends – and we (especially she) had a blast. Amazing how she don’t need to be drinkin’ any alcohol to enjoy herself and sing off-key!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 09:51
Here's some pixs of Janice.
You LIKE??
Want More?
SEAJ
Here's some pixs of Janice.
You LIKE??
Want More?
SEAJ
YES...want more...
Nice gal...wish I was back in Dongguan, so can partake in this delightful piece...
Hoeman
SE Asia Joe
07-14-10, 11:24
YES...want more...
Nice gal...wish I was back in Dongguan, so can partake in this delightful piece...
Hoeman
OK - Posted a few more on the Photo Gallery thread.
SEAJ
“How about a KTV?” I asked.
“I cannot drink and I cannot sing. I like partying at a KTV though – only I know I cain’t make it as a KTV gal – too much pretending.”
SEAJ
She is right. KTV hires only good looking, young girls who can sing and drink. This is how they make money for the bar. Some eat a lot too. Sometimes it looks like they have not eaten anything all day. The moment your order of food comes it is gone in a few minutes.
I have gone to numerous KTV with my Chinese friends. They all like to have a good time singing, drinking, eating, dancing. They generally do not like to manhandle the girls like we do. They hardly touch them. For them being intimate is in the privacy of the room if they so choose to take the girl . For the chinese people it is easy to get normal girls for sex.
As for me the moment I go with them to KTV I am on the lookout for the girl to take home. My friends know that they will facilitate in negotiating the deal for me and many a time I am in and out with a girl of my choice in one hour. Sometimes I do take the girl to a disco place to dance if she is willing.
For the chinese people it is easy to get normal girls for sex.
??? Is it any easier than it would be for a foreigner (were they white, or from honkers, or singaporeans, etc)?
Its not hard to pick up normal girls for sex in china for anyone, the appeal of hookers is that they leave when you want them to and (in theory) dont contact you again unless you get back in touch with them for another round.
Its easy to pick up normal girls, unless of course your name is BruceTea...hahahahaha
Sammon,
Have you thought about how these girls keep in shape with all that drinking and eating? Most of the girls I've dealt with don't eat the entire day or eat very little and pig out at the KTV rooms. Could you imagine eating three meals a day and then go and eat all that fried chicken wings and drink all that beer and still maintain their figure? The girls would be huge. So they just wait until work to eat, which also helps them save a few bucks as well. She can save on her dinner and or midnight snack money if you happen to take them out to eat before you take them back to the hotel room.
It's a hard business for them to be in. Not everyone earns all that much if they aren't the top model quality or the cute-well liked and well endowed individual. So every mao counts.
AsnDragon
She is right. KTV hires only good looking, young girls who can sing and drink. This is how they make money for the bar. Some eat a lot too. Sometimes it looks like they have not eaten anything all day. The moment your order of food comes it is gone in a few minutes.
I have gone to numerous KTV with my Chinese friends. They all like to have a good time singing, drinking, eating, dancing. They generally do not like to manhandle the girls like we do. They hardly touch them. For them being intimate is in the privacy of the room if they so choose to take the girl . For the chinese people it is easy to get normal girls for sex.
As for me the moment I go with them to KTV I am on the lookout for the girl to take home. My friends know that they will facilitate in negotiating the deal for me and many a time I am in and out with a girl of my choice in one hour. Sometimes I do take the girl to a disco place to dance if she is willing.
SEAJoe,
Thanks for the great story and picture of Janice. I sometimes ponder that point about girls in China as well...how they live day to day with no apparent ambitions about the future. But this lack of ambition is what helps these BBS stock up on all these girls who just want to earn the easy buck once in a while and go play. Firstly, this type of mentality helps BBS recruit new girls who want the freedom to play around and still earn money when the "need to." Secondly, this lack of ambition type of thinking is aligned with the post 90's generation girls who cannot endure the hardships of their predecessors.
When I was first in CP back in 2003 or so, girls that stocked the BBS were mostly girls from the factories nearby, and they had a different type of mentality and outlook on life. They were hard working, complained less and focused on their goals of earning money and going back home and settling down. But throughout the years, what I realized was girls become increasingly lazy. Many girls got into this professions from direct recruitment from friends back in their villages. They just came on over to have fun, experience what life was like outside of their old hometown. It was no longer about having a long term goal of earning money to do something about their future. The younger generation of girls just don't care much anymore. Girls these days at BBS sometimes don't even come to work, even though there are tons of guys looking for them on a weekday (which is pretty difficult to find lots of customers looking for you as we all know that BBS business is slow during weekdays), because they wanted to go play QQ and they can't play QQ at the BBS.
I think it's a shift in thinking that we'll see much more of in the future.
good or bad...doesn't matter much. China is a strange country, with strange mentalities. We just got to enjoy the good parts and deal with the bad parts.
AsnDragon
The body – OH YEAH!! The body!! Not the biggest tits, not the most shapely- but oh so Taut and tight!! And smooth!! And Pink!! And a cute (I think) Tats on top of a neat little bush!! NICE!!
And a Water BBBJ whilst in the shower!! Now you guys probably don’t think much of Shower BBBJ’s but in China – well, this “art” is not practiced that often YET! And of course I truly enjoyed the glorious feeling of a nice stream of warm water cascading down my back, whilst my li’l cutie is bobbing her head up and down on my li’l head!
And off to the bed…. And basically full sauna services from Janice! Don’t want to make this report too long – but you know what all that is – Body slide, cat licking front and back and hands and fingers and toes, followed by backdoor tongue cleaning to a blow job that only a sauna gal know how to blow and of course… ride ‘em cowboy in all its variations and glory!!
And of course the question – “Why are you working as a BBS gal when you’re such a good sauna gal??” “I don’t know” she replied, “My cuz told me to come and keep her company here”
And…..??!!
“Well, it’s a lot more fun and I can chit chat with her and the other girls and have more freedom and be in and out and the money ain’t THAT bad here. It’s so boring at the sauna – the whole time just doing doing doing without any rest or anything. I’ll die if I do it for too much longer. Maybe next week if I get bored here.”
Amazing how these gals in China seem to NOT have any fixed agenda or ambition in life – just a day-to-day existence without much care OR worry that their lives is NOT gonna be all OK. Amazing to me anyway!
“How about a KTV?” I asked.
“I cannot drink and I cannot sing. I like partying at a KTV though – only I know I cain’t make it as a KTV gal – too much pretending.”
Anyway… this report is getting too long – PLUS, most of you’re just here to look at pixs anyway aintcha??!!
And oh, I took her to the Peninsula KTV that night to party with my friends – and we (especially she) had a blast. Amazing how she don’t need to be drinkin’ any alcohol to enjoy herself and sing off-key!!
SEAJ
Freepeaks,
It's rare, but you are right...there are girls out there that are in this line of business because they love to have sex. I once had a girl from a BBS at silver KTV when they were located in the billiards room (which they are located currently). I took her and her friend out for dinner one time and her friend tells me that she's very experimental in bed. She has a fantasy of being tied up by a guy and partake in rough sex. Apparently she was into S&M which is a big surprise to me at the time since I hadn't thought that China was all that open about S&M type of play. She asked me if I was into or knew any friends that were into that type of stuff as she wanted to know what it felt like. Her story was that back home in her village she loved to have sex, like 3 times a day. She was recruited by her friend and happily came over to CP because she would be paid for doing something she loved to do-have sex. She was later sponsored by some Guangdong guy and now owns a small clothing store in Guangzhou now. So I guess it pays to be kinky.
But sometimes you come across girls that just love to do it if you and her click. A few years back I came across a girl where were really clicked in bed. I found her a BBS and we went straight out and did it two times, I was really horny that day. When I was done, I was going to pay her plus tips for her to leave because I usually don't like to do overnight with girls. She didn't want to leave and asked to stay overnight with me and I would only have to pay for her ST fee. I was suspicious as this is a tactic WG use so they can milk their customers out of more money the next morning. But since I had such a good session in the afternoon I decided to give it a shot and took her for overnight. We did it again at night and then in the morning. Each time it was she who initiated it. In the morning I gave her ST fee plus tip and she took it and was happy but asked to stay one more night with me and she would not charge me. I was taken back as this usually never happens to me. I took her for one more day and we just fucked the whole day. At the end I was too tired and worn out, my body couldn't take it and I had to send her home. I got a whole day of full on sex with her for free. We ordered take out and just fucked, ate, watched TV, and repeat.
She wasn't the hottest girl on the block. She was from the Northeast. Had good skin, but was kind of short, not much of a body- had small breasts and a little bit of a belly due to all those starchy food they eat up north. We definitely clicked in bed, but that's about it. It was hard to carry on conversations as she swore every three or four sentences that came out of her mouth.
If only I could find a girl like her that was better looking would be great...I guess that could only happen in my dreams....
AsnDragon
ok to be fair there is a mix of ex-factory girls, farm girls who have a 'friend' that recruited them (usually girlfriend from same town especially during cny), and lastly there are the girls who just like to fuck, have no skill set and get paid for it.
If CP comes back strong in a few months after this whole Shanghai expo ends in October. I personally think that the quality of the girls might be better. My theory is that this Shanghai expo has sucked up a lot of girls who wanted to go up to earn some good money. Sure there's supposedly a crackdown on WG up there in Shanghai, but as you all know WG always find a way to earn money some way or other. I believe that after the Expo, the girls may start trickling back down South to Guangdong area. Many girls from down south all went up to Shanghai for a change in scenery. But after the expo I believe a good bunch will start coming back.
For example, I remember that back during the Beijing Olympics, CP talent was scarce and quality wasn't all that great. But after the 2008 summer, by fall time I noticed that girls were better looking than before and the quantity of girls were a bit more as well. That was my personal opinion. You could also blame it on the financial crisis that caused less HK mongers from coming up and thus more quantity of girls. But the quality in my opinion was better.
If...If CP gets back on track again...I think quality might be better as talent gets spread back out after the Expo. Just my two cents.
AsnDragon
As someone pointed out to me, the supply used to follow the factories. As factories dwindled in Shenzhen so did supply, except you still have a few girls going to the 'big city' Shenzhen now. So as the factories move outward you would think the supply would move there, except now these factories are not dorm-type factories - like dongguan but draw from local sources, meaning the girls live at home.
what you might see still is that these girls live at home, will not LT but go to work at KTV at night and no one is the wiser. note alot of smaller cities have the pink curtain places... still don't know if they are full service or HJ places, i believe many might be both depending. sometimes you see streets of these (20 or more), I've seen some with curtains open and other with curtains closed. everyone knows what they are for, and I assume since they stay in business they get customers.
CP most certainly will die out some, from the bottom end up. I can't imagine all the hotels going vacant so you will still have service inside the hotels, but at what price and what quality. already over the past 2 years I think the quality has gone down. before you would never see an old porkchop at a KTV now look at mayflower with the 1500 girls, they accept all qualities.
the bbs is already 1/2 of what it was. this might be more to the new ktvs opening up though, requiring supply of girls, taking them from bbs of 100 a try to the ktv of 500 st (keep 300 after fees). if they can drink and learn to go to a ktv.
i met two former bbs girls recruited to go to the ktv. think about the recruitment process. go to bbs, select girl. do her and then tell her she could get 300 for doing that tonite at ktv.
right now I think the mayflower, eurasia, haixia, .... have spread the talent too thin. the new ktvs are certainly part of the cause of the decline of the bbs. they only had say 100 in the swan lake area, remove 50 to ktv, now you close 1/2 of the locations. alot of girls used the bbs to get the entry fee to the ktv, now they simply might be able to join with no fee, skip the middle man skip the bbs stint.
Dagevin,
Personally, I think the conventional thinking that China's sex ratio is at an imbalance is overall true. In addition, yes there are less young people in the population. However these two points usually apply to middle income to higher income families- in which most of the daughters from these two sectors will not come and be a WG in Southern China.
Most girls that become a WG are from the rural and poor regions and pockets of China. In these regions, many of these lower income groups (farmers mostly) have tons of children. They will keep on having as many daughters as it takes until they have a son. Therefore you hear all of these sob stories about how these girls became WG in order to send on of their useless brothers to school. There are tons of undocumented children being born in China these days that nobody knows about-mostly these children are daughters that have no hukou (which are out of official records that can be counted into China's outdated census)
Therefore, there are still tons of girls in villages in regions we've never even heard of that can or may come to work as a WG. In addition, we don't need all that many girls to become WG in order to have a good time right? there are still millions of girls out there in China. So long as the wages are lower than what they can earn as a WG , and the central govt. doesn't crack down too much, we are good.
Even in the U.S. or Canada or Europe, there are tons of girls who are willing to sell their bodies for money, it just depends on the price tag.
Prostitution is the oldest profession and it'll still be the last one to remain.
AsnDragon
SEAJ you are absolutely right. My line of work is related to analysis and the trends are not good. Not only is the pool of young people shrinking in China; the pool of young ladies shrinking even faster due to imbalance sex ratio. So, enjoy it while it last, because it will get expensive soon! I will certainly enjoy myself when I arrive tomorrow!
Sometimes...when you don't pick a girl at a KTV, many girls end up liking you more for some reason. Has this ever happened to you? It's like, if you do something other guys don't do, you stand out and it becomes peculiar and it interests them as to why every guy picks a girl but you don't pick any.
AsnDragon
I don't really look at KTV as a place to find girls to fuck. I look at it as a place to hang out with friends and get drunk. The girls are an added attraction to make it that much more fun.
Chinese people in general have a different mentality than us Americans. We are always trying to make more money, have a nicer car, have a bigger house etc. Chinese people are much more content with what they have. They all want a stable life but for most of them that's good enough. A lot of the girls I met at KTV, they just want to make a bunch of money for a couple of years and then go back to their hometown, settle down, get married, and live a stable family life.
SEAJoe,
Thanks for the great story and picture of Janice. I sometimes ponder that point about girls in China as well...how they live day to day with no apparent ambitions about the future. But this lack of ambition is what helps these BBS stock up on all these girls who just want to earn the easy buck once in a while and go play. Firstly, this type of mentality helps BBS recruit new girls who want the freedom to play around and still earn money when the "need to." Secondly, this lack of ambition type of thinking is aligned with the post 90's generation girls who cannot endure the hardships of their predecessors.
Meiguoguizi
07-15-10, 14:47
Chinese people in general have a different mentality than us Americans.
Dude, could you be more American?
It should be our national detention, Bart Simpson like, to write on the blackboard 100 times: EVERY human being is a unique individual.
Dude, could you be more American?
It should be our national detention, Bart Simpson like, to write on the blackboard 100 times: EVERY human being is a unique individual.
And how about those Canadians! I can't get started on them enough...
with their maple syrup and friendly ways.. ugh... disgusting to us americans.
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note that was sarcastic - eh?
Bob Builder
07-15-10, 22:10
Chinese people in general have a different mentality than us Americans. We are always trying to make more money, have a nicer car, have a bigger house etc. Chinese people are much more content with what they have. They all want a stable life but for most of them that's good enough. A lot of the girls I met at KTV, they just want to make a bunch of money for a couple of years and then go back to their hometown, settle down, get married, and live a stable family life.
I want to be one of those content Chinese people that drives around Dongguan in a Porsche Cayenne and spends all there time in VIP rooms in CP picking up hot young girls to shag.
There are content people outside of China as well. Don't they work at McD, Walmart,...that's why there are no universities in China.
Chinese people are much more content with what they have.....Wrong! Chinese people are the most money minded people in the whole world.
I am a Chinese by the way.
Sometimes...when you don't pick a girl at a KTV, many girls end up liking you more for some reason. Has this ever happened to you? It's like, if you do something other guys don't do, you stand out and it becomes peculiar and it interests them as to why every guy picks a girl but you don't pick any.
AsnDragon
I don't recall ever not picking a girl at KTV. If I have no intention of getting a girl, I would just go to a bar.
Chinese people in general have a different mentality than us Americans. We are always trying to make more money, have a nicer car, have a bigger house etc. Chinese people are much more content with what they have. They all want a stable life but for most of them that's good enough. A lot of the girls I met at KTV, they just want to make a bunch of money for a couple of years and then go back to their hometown, settle down, get married, and live a stable family life.
You think that way because you meet girls. Men and women have different outlooks on money. Ask women in any country what they want, they'll tell you the same thing. Look at the self made billionaire's list, there are a lot more men than women, and the reason isn't just sexism. For men, there's almost an evolutionary mandate to make more money, basically, proving who's the alpha male. For women, the evolutionary mandate is more concerned about having and taking care of children. Men and women have different outlook on sex too, that's why there are a lot more female hookers than male prostitutes.
Bob Builder
07-16-10, 17:43
Sometimes...when you don't pick a girl at a KTV, many girls end up liking you more for some reason. Has this ever happened to you? It's like, if you do something other guys don't do, you stand out and it becomes peculiar and it interests them as to why every guy picks a girl but you don't pick any.
AsnDragon
Yeah, you are peculiar, their thinking what is this homo doing here at a place where guys go to pick up women. If you are the only one then you get special attention so you pick one and they get you money.
Haha! only homo in the group! Sometimes, i go through the whole line-up and there's not one girl that I want to pick. So i just call it a night and start drinking with my buddies. But sometimes when you don't pick any girls the girls start coming over and are interested...perhaps interested in a homo like me. haha
AsnDragon
Yeah, you are peculiar, their thinking what is this homo doing here at a place where guys go to pick up women. If you are the only one then you get special attention so you pick one and they get you money.
Bob,
Not sure if your Porsche cayenne was just a random car pick or not, but I do see that black Porsche cayenne parked outside of cali red a lot and that guy gets the most beautiful girls ever! Girls that are unbelievable!
AsnDragon
I want to be one of those content Chinese people that drives around Dongguan in a Porsche Cayenne and spends all there time in VIP rooms in CP picking up hot young girls to shag.
There are content people outside of China as well. Don't they work at McD, Walmart,...that's why there are no universities in China.
Bob Builder
07-17-10, 03:43
Haha! only homo in the group! Sometimes, i go through the whole line-up and there's not one girl that I want to pick. So i just call it a night and start drinking with my buddies. But sometimes when you don't pick any girls the girls start coming over and are interested...perhaps interested in a homo like me. haha
AsnDragon
I do the same thing but I don't feel they will think you are anything special. The mama might try harder to get you a "better girl" if you are the only one without one because they want your money. They will work harder to get you a girl so that they can move onto the next room and if you reject too many they just give up.
They make sure I get better attention because they know I am the one that decides where my KTV buddies go so they know if I'm not happy, we go somewhere else and they lose business.
OldAsiaHand
07-17-10, 04:15
I think a higher percentage start at factory than you think. In my last trip I met three that all started at factory, saw a poster for 'welcoming girl' for 2k/month. Easy money right? then they see the XJ making 4x that maybe and having fun and just fall into it.
Others follow their friends... I would note that the previous factory girls last shorter time cause they don't know what they are getting into, the girl-girl recruited ones of course know the game and last longer as they make the decision to go into the game.
then there are the boyfriend/pimp recruited ones that move to CP with a small harem to put into employment.... we've all heard and seen that story.
I agree with this summation with respect to BBS girls. KTV and sauna girls may have a more formal recruitment process.
I've seen factory girls in CP BBS on weekends just coming in to pick up a few extra bucks on their days off.
A typical story is farm girl comes to work in a factory, loses virginity to a boy with empty promises, he dumps her and she ends up in BBS because she has a friend that went down the same line.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
07-17-10, 04:21
Freepeaks,
It's rare, but you are right...there are girls out there that are in this line of business because they love to have sex.
I've noticed that when girls are new to the game, they still like sex. Over time, they shut down their emotions and put up a guard. In the end, they become hardened to the whole thing with punters and just want to make as much money, as quickly as possible. Some just pretend better than others.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
07-17-10, 04:38
Some of you have asked where I've been these past few months since I have not posted as often as I have in the past.
Truth be told, I have been out of China most of the time this year so did not have much to report. And, I have been shifting most of my efforts to freebies lately.
That said, I have been to CP a couple of times in the past month. My POV is that it will get worse before it gets better. The BBS keep moving locations and there are far less girls available. The Night Market seems to be shut for good although the mommies are hanging around offering a free ride to another location. Problem is that if you don't take one of their girls they just dump you out there on your own.
I guess KTV and saunas are operating business as usual, but the talent is spread very thin across too many places so the line-ups are not what they used to be.
CP is just not the paradise it used to be.
Just my POV.
OAH
ManonsanBoy
07-18-10, 06:23
Almost all sauna establishments in Tangxia are closed. This includes the place at Goodview. BBS have been shut for a few weeks.
Fast Eddie 48
07-19-10, 00:02
Some of you have asked where I've been these past few months since I have not posted as often as I have in the past.
Truth be told, I have been out of China most of the time this year so did not have much to report. And, I have been shifting most of my efforts to freebies lately.
That said, I have been to CP a couple of times in the past month. My POV is that it will get worse before it gets better. The BBS keep moving locations and there are far less girls available. The Night Market seems to be shut for good although the mommies are hanging around offering a free ride to another location. Problem is that if you don't take one of their girls they just dump you out there on your own.
I guess KTV and saunas are operating business as usual, but the talent is spread very thin across too many places so the line-ups are not what they used to be.
CP is just not the paradise it used to be.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH,
Sauna in CP also is going to hell you have not miss much, I have not been to CP on my last few trip to China also, CP is getting to be a KTV town looking for a new hunting ground in Guangzhou, I am in Ningbo right now some bbs actions but very expensive.
Fast Eddie 48
The BBS keep moving locations and there are far less girls available. The Night Market seems to be shut for good although the mommies are hanging around offering a free ride to another location. Problem is that if you don't take one of their girls they just dump you out there on your own.
The prices are slowly going up. The Hui Mei alleys are now 200 rmb. There are two near eachother and scouted by mommies who roam the Hui Mei area. Quality is hit or miss depending on what you like. I'd say one BBS has 4-7 girls while the other has around 15. 200 plus 10-20 rmb tip.
The night market used to be 130 rmb but now the mommies try to push 150. The 150 includes the short time room, which is kinda ok. But guys would have to insist on 130 if they take the girl back to his place.
The Yalan area is still the same. 200 rmb plus 10-20 rmb tip (taxi fare back to BBS). I'd say each place has around 12-20 girls. not too bad, but it depends on when you go.
I've had a girl who also works at Eurasia. She gave me her group # and Eurasia number so I guess she's telling the truth. I've also had a girl who worked at Jing Long. So a few gems here and there. plus, new country bumpkin girls fresh off the farmwagon. The BBSs move around, but the mommies work fast to replenish stock.
SE Asia Joe
07-19-10, 16:11
The prices are slowly going up.
The night market used to be 130 rmb but now the mommies try to push 150. The 150 includes the short time room, which is kinda ok. But guys would have to insist on 130 if they take the girl back to his place.
.
Huh?? Make up your mind Bruce!!
I thought we both agreed that 150 for the Pop INCLUSIVE of the Jun Hui room to pop is a very good deal?!
And RMB 130 for take home is a very fair price. Remember, it was only a year or two ago that most of us here on the boards were actually paying RMB 150 for a night market girl.... until a few of us pressed the mommies and found out that the "locals'" price was only 130 - and we of course demanded AND got the 130 price!
And having to hunt at the much more comfortable and safe environs of the Jun Hui is certainly a luxury compared to the dump that the night market is!!
Just IMHO.....and to remind you what we chatted about that night!! Muahahaha
SEAJ
Ps. the only price inflation I can figure out is at the Hui Mei alleys where Chiu ChaoBo now reigns supreme as being the only BBS operator there - and have thus upped her price 50 bucks. Beatch!
Robin Mill
07-19-10, 19:40
The night market used to be 130 rmb but now the mommies try to push 150. The 150 includes the short time room, which is kinda ok. But guys would have to insist on 130 if they take the girl back to his place.
HI
I have being to the BBS at Chang An.
At CA, it is 150 for short time at the BBS room, and 200 to take them back to your hotel for ST.
Geez, what a total opposite.
At CA, they are also wary of mongers taking back to hotel room, as about half a year to 1 year ago, 2 BBS gal were killed by 2 local mongers, right at the room in the BBS!
I got it first hand from my driver from CA, who may have heard it 1st hand or 2nd hand from his local friends.
HI
I have being to the BBS at Chang An.
At CA, it is 150 for short time at the BBS room, and 200 to take them back to your hotel for ST.
Geez, what a total opposite.
At CA, they are also wary of mongers taking back to hotel room, as about half a year to 1 year ago, 2 BBS gal were killed by 2 local mongers, right at the room in the BBS!
I got it first hand from my driver from CA, who may have heard it 1st hand or 2nd hand from his local friends.
This is one of the reason the BBS / KTV in CP prefer not to deal with local Chinese especially from the North. There were some trouble in the past with the local Northern Chinese. A few of the girls were killed and some were kidnapped, perhaps LE, and none payment afterwards in CP. I was with different mommies a few time and I notice they would ask them tons of questions if approached by locals. I don't speak Mandarin but their tone of voice is different a little ruder.
This is one of the reason the BBS / KTV in CP prefer not to deal with local Chinese especially from the North. There were some trouble in the past with the local Northern Chinese. A few of the girls were killed and some were kidnapped, perhaps LE, and none payment afterwards in CP. I was with different mommies a few time and I notice they would ask them tons of questions if approached by locals. I don't speak Mandarin but their tone of voice is different a little ruder.
I was told a similar story by a girl I booked from a BBS years back in Humen. The girl was going for outcall by a Northern local guy. When she reached the hotel, another guy jumped her, and both guys tied her down. They had sex with her, then asked her for her bank card to withdraw money. She was left in the hotel room, naked, tied up and beaten up.
At first I thought it was a sob story, until she showed me some recovering bruises on parts of her body.
Weelock,
Northern guys speak Mandarin with a heavier tone, and slight lilt; and Northern guys are known to be rough with the girls.
Hoeman
Huh?? Make up your mind Bruce!!!
Lots of these BBS gals really hate working under a bbs mommy. I mean, giving the mommy 100 rmb is really outrageous especially when it is the girls who are doing all the physical work. Plus, costs from going to the hotel and returning from the hotel (ie. transportation fees etc) are paid for by the girl, instead of the mommy.
I've gotten repeats from many of the BBS girls who call me up on their own. They just want a quickie and keep all the money for themselves. I've gotten calls around 11 pm and also calls around 10 am or so. Good for me. They also tell me biz is bad and they need money for living expenses, etc.
Jaimito Cartero
07-20-10, 11:43
I'm in town for a few days at the Swan Lake Hotel. Got a great foot massage on the 4th floor, and going to grab something to eat now and look around.
Well, I decided to visit CP at the start of this month to see what all the fuss was about with one week there and another relaxing in Sanya but as predicted by BSD, I ended up getting CPitis and ditched my Sanya plans to stay in CP for the whole time! I have mongered in China before but CP is just a fantasy world! There is an army of young WGs (they don't seem to have anyone over 22 year old) and in terms of girl quantity / quality / price, this is the place to be!
Before I go on with my thoughts on the action of the last 2 weeks, I want to mention the great people I've met through this trip. I've read all the positive posts of BSD before I went and had high expectations and he did not disappoint! He is a fantastic mongering host and buddy! My advice is that irrespective of your mongering experience, if you are visiting CP for the first time, do yourself a favour and contact BSD. I'm quite sure if I didn't, I would not have stayed in CP for as long as I did and enjoyed what it had to offer to the max. I also hang out with BruceTea (BT) the whole time I was in CP. He claims he is pretty new to mongering but he has a crap load of knowledge and is very playful and smooth with the girls. It was awesome bumming around during the day with him before the action, watching him QQ and SMS his bevy of girls everyday in the pursuit of freebies. Haha. I also met SE. Joe, I've read a lot of his posts on ISG and in person, he has what I would call a 'mongering presence'. On a chicken run with him, what would otherwise have been an uneventful walk by myself would turn into one where mommies appear out of thin air to lead him into their BBS dens! Then there's Dr J, another veteran who is a lot of fun to party with and who has an armoury of sex toys! And Wadman, the guy who has mongered so much that KTVs and BBS no longer hold any appeal. You guys are awesome, it was an absolute pleasure partying with you all and thanks for making my trip so enjoyable! I wish I could be there for the August party mayhem but I'm sure there will be a next time!
Now a summary of my experience.
* CP KTVs
I experienced the Mayflower, Fuhao, Jing Long and Manhattan KTVs, the first 2 were the most memorable. The thing about these 2 is the size of the place, where normally you'd get 1 or 2 levels on a hotel, these are on a block of their own. The selection of girls is just unbelievable! Instead of the usual line-ups in your KTV, all the girls line up in a long, squashy crowd in a hallway and you walk amongst them and pick! I was at the Mayflower and Fuhao on weekdays and the selection was already beyond what I had imagined (around 400). I'm told weekends have twice the number. Insane! And the other good part? All these girls you can take home. Usually at KTVs I've been to, the normal line-ups are not take home girls, and the ones that do go home come in separate line-ups which are always lower in quality and quantity. Not so in CP, it's like smorgasboard of hot, doable young chics! Jing Long was the only KTV with the usual line-ups where they bring the girls into your room. This KTV has dancer girls (ie: girls that perform at the main entertainment area of the KTV) for you to pick. These girls disappear for around 45 mins at 10pm because to perform in this area outside and you can go and enjoy the show. There's certain pleasure see them wiggle their butts and knowing you are going to do them later but the dancing is not that flash. In fact, so of them look positively disinterested but variety is always good in KTVs and I enjoyed myself. At the end, there's the naked performance, where your girl takes her top off, and dry humps you in the room with the lights off. My girl was pretty wild and actually reached into my pants and had my cock in her hand during this show. I did get a surprise when the girl took her make-up off back at the hotel later but that's a story for another day. Haha. All in all, KTVs rock in CP and I wish I can get a regular dose every month!
* CP BBS
CP has the best BBS in China! Now I have been to a lot of BBS in other parts of China and they are fairly standard and easy to spot. These always start after dark and consist of a shopfront with transparent windows and the inside lit by pink or red dim lights and girls sit right inside for you to view as you walk past. The deed is always done at the back in dark, dirty and smelly rooms or you can negotiate with the mommy to have her go back with you to the hotel. This negotiation is not always successful. In CP, there is no such BBS. Instead, these BBS 'dens' are usually located in places that you cannot see (ie: in alleyways or other ingenious places). So how do you know where it is? You get solicited by mommies and follow them. Now I'm glad I had BSD, BT and SE. Joe showing me the way as they know the mommies and know which ones are trust worthy. For the lone mongerer, these are impossible to find and even if you do get solicited by a mommy, there's always the risk of following the wrong one and ending up scammed or worse. Anyway, that's how BBS operate in CP. Now inside these BBS dens, the quality and quantity again surpasses other parts of China. You get in the vicinity of 10-20 girls to choose from and all are again young. I would have no trouble selecting one from any of the many BBS we've been to at any one time. There are no back rooms for the deed and you are expected to take them back for the action. I've done many runs with BT during my time in CP and sometimes we just enjoy going there to view the girls and getting their names so we can call and order a delivery later. BT has discussed the pricing in the last few posts so I won't go into that. The only annoying thing about BBS is that the mommies are really pushy, always trying to sell you this girl or that girl and won't leave you alone to view in peace.
I must say that from my trip, BBS is where I had most action. Out of the 12 nights I was there, I've had a total of 15 girls, 11 were BBS girls and 2 of these I had as repeats.
*Night Market
As discussed in earlier posts by BSD & BT, the night market has now moved to the Jun Hui and I must say there is some nice quality there and it is the cheapest sex in CP. BT chose a great hot looking girl the other night, she wouldn't be out of place in a hot KTV line up.
*Saunas
I didn't experience any Saunas this time round as I've tried many in Shanghai and didn't think the service here would surpass that offered there and since BBS / KTVs provided so much variety, I didn't feel compelled to try it. Maybe next time.
Anyway, that's my experience in a nutshell. I'll probably post more on individual experiences and other details later but boy was it a fun trip! Thanks again to BSD and BT for all the hospitality and being such great company to make my first CP trip such an awesome experience!
Can one of you experienced world traveling mongers help me locate a BBS in Houjie or close. I have done the Sheraton Dongguan sauna and a few more in the area but would love to find a BBS to visit.
Thanks in advance
Can one of you experienced world traveling mongers help me locate a BBS in Houjie or close. I have done the Sheraton Dongguan sauna and a few more in the area but would love to find a BBS to visit.
Thanks in advance
I couldnt tell you exactly where they are but they are there, although the ones I have seen are "in house" meaning there are no take outs, you shag them in the premises. All I had to do was ask a taxi driver to take me to one. If your Chinese is good enough thats all you have to do, if not I may be able to make time to take you to one.
Viajando Musico
07-22-10, 01:13
* CP KTVs
I experienced the Mayflower, Fuhao, Jing Long and Manhattan KTVs, the first 2 were the most memorable. The thing about these 2 is the size of the place, where normally you'd get 1 or 2 levels on a hotel, these are on a block of their own. The selection of girls is just unbelievable! Instead of the usual line-ups in your KTV, all the girls line up in a long, squashy crowd in a hallway and you walk amongst them and pick! I was at the Mayflower and Fuhao on weekdays and the selection was already beyond what I had imagined (around 400). I'm told weekends have twice the number. Insane! And the other good part? All these girls you can take home. Usually at KTVs I've been to, the normal line-ups are not take home girls, and the ones that do go home come in separate line-ups which are always lower in quality and quantity. Not so in CP, it's like smorgasboard of hot, doable young chics! Jing Long was the only KTV with the usual line-ups where they bring the girls into your room. This KTV has dancer girls (ie: girls that perform at the main entertainment area of the KTV) for you to pick. These girls disappear for around 45 mins at 10pm because to perform in this area outside and you can go and enjoy the show. There's certain pleasure see them wiggle their butts and knowing you are going to do them later but the dancing is not that flash. In fact, so of them look positively disinterested but variety is always good in KTVs and I enjoyed myself. At the end, there's the naked performance, where your girl takes her top off, and dry humps you in the room with the lights off. My girl was pretty wild and actually reached into my pants and had my cock in her hand during this show. I did get a surprise when the girl took her make-up off back at the hotel later but that's a story for another day. Haha. All in all, KTVs rock in CP and I wish I can get a regular dose every month!
Great report. I have travelled to Dong Guan area at least 3 times a year for business in the past 10 years, and my host always brought me to after-dinner entertainment. Little did I know all these treasures you posted. I am especially hooked on the KTV you tried that has hundreds of girls lining up for you to choose. I always complained about the quality of girls in Guangdong or Southern China, and I knew sometimes I embarrassed my host for having difficulty to pick. But if there are so many to choose, it should not be difficult to find a good one. The KTV that we usually went, you have to really go early to get the top girls. A place that we frequented was a sauna type of setup in a hotel, actually the whole hotel is a sauna house, and even it is a big place with lots of girls, the picking is normally slim by the time we get there around 11PM. They normally brought out a few girls at a time. Your experience of seeing the whole line up at once is a first for me. Need to try these places next time.
... and I knew sometimes I embarrassed my host for having difficulty to pick... .
VM,
You probably did embarrass your host...hahaha; it's the norm for host to allow guests to choose first, before making a choice themselves. But dun feel bad, just enjoy the privilege of being an honoured guest and go with the flow.
Hoeman
I couldnt tell you exactly where they are but they are there, although the ones I have seen are "in house" meaning there are no take outs, you shag them in the premises. All I had to do was ask a taxi driver to take me to one. If your Chinese is good enough thats all you have to do, if not I may be able to make time to take you to one.Thanks, That is very nice of you. My chinese exists of being able to count, Hello and thanks thats it. Do you live in the area? Is it worth the trip to visit them or should I stick with what I know? I like the comfort of my hotel room especially with all these crackdowns happening around.
Jaimito Cartero
07-22-10, 10:20
I made contact with BSD when I got to town, and he mentioned he'd be going for the 2 hour footie and free din-din at Bao Zu Lin with another ISG member.
This place is near Miraton, and has nice rooms, and you get to select dinner, drink and some fruit plus the footie for a set price of under 100.
Dave had his DVD player, and a section of DVD's, so we watched a couple of movies while we ate and got our foot massages. The foot massage was good, but I enjoyed my first Swan Lake 4th floor one (#17) a bit more.
It was certainly nice to have a night out with some fellow brothers, and give Dave a big thumbs up for inviting me.
I am a low session monger most of the time, but decided to check out a BBS near the Swan Lake. Dave had helped me out with ones that were open. I found one of my better ones on my trip last year at the Yalan, so went back here.
I went at about 10pm at night, and had a few mommies pushing ladies at me. I had one that was really interesting to me as I came in. She smiled, but the mommies pushed two different ones at me. One was taller and bigger busted, but didn't seem that interested at me.
Another was thinner, had some acne, and looked about like a "6" face wise. I was sitting there for a minute while the mommies were extolling the "good service" that these chicas would provide.
In the end it came down to the thinner one being a bit more affectionate, and not looking like she was trying to escape. I paid the mommy 100, and we walked back to the hotel a couple of blocks away.
The girl I got, Yang, was 18. She held my hand back to the hotel, and seemed to be protective of me as we crossed the street and such. We got back to the room, and I showered, while she helped lather up the important parts. After I got out, she then got in by herself and washed up.
We got to the bed, and when she undressed, the padded bra turned out to be bigger than her tits. I was half expecting this, but she was still quite nice. Very petite, middling height. No English at all.
Since my Chinese consists of 4 of 5 words, it was going to be interesting.
Things were going pretty well, with me teasing her pencil eraser nipples. I then went to DATY, and then her legs closed tighter and she refused to open them.
Not good. Not good at all. I then start a guerrilla attack from the front, and as she starts to lubricate up, her legs finally part. Within a few minutes she was literally bouncing off the walls, and pressing my face into her pussy.
Very responsive, and wet as hell, without a lot of the fake moans and stuff that I run into too often. I can only guess that she's pretty new to the game.
We move to missionary, and then to cowgirl. We rested a bit, took a shower, and then went to round two. After that, we went to sleep for a bit, and then got a bit of "middle of the night" wood, and on to round 3.
We slept for another 4 hours or so, and then woke up and ended up with round 4. She took another shower, and then asked if she could leave. I was halfway tempted to keep her longer, but had work to do, so let her go.
Damage $100 mommie + $400 Long Time. About 12 hours total.
By far my nicest BBS time in CP. I always think that some of the real beauties don't deliver so much, but often the average or close to average ones do.
Jettsetter
07-28-10, 23:54
I know some brothers in town the following weeks. I'll be there.. anyone else rolling in?
let us know so we can hook up and have some fun...
J
Friend showed me Wednesdays NY Times. Front page has article "China seeks to end Shame parades of suspects". Article says police have continually paraded prostitution suspects, roped together, through crowded city streets. The article shows a photo from Schenzhen in 2006 with 3 girls and one man held by police in front of a large crowd. One girl is hiding her face in her hands, the other 2 have on surgical masks. The article also mentions images circlulated this month "from the southern city of Dongguan", "where young woman roped together and paraded barefoot through crowded city streets. " The article goes on to say there is a backlash against such treatment, and the Bureau of Public Security has directed police to stop holding such shame parades.
Being based in the US, I didn't know the Chinese police used those tactics. It says the current arrests are part of a 7 month "strike hard campaign" the 4th since 1983.
Friend showed me Wednesdays NY Times. Front page has article "China seeks to end Shame parades of suspects".. It says the current arrests are part of a 7 month "strike hard campaign" the 4th since 1983.According to the China Daily, which might be the source for the NYT article, the present strike hard campaign is scheduled to continue until January 2011. Several points about all this:
1. This campaign is against serious crime in general; not solely prostitution;
2. Although both news articles note that this is the fourth "strike hard" campaign since 1983; there have been others against prostitution in the past, such as a 4-month campaign in 2009;
3. Such campaigns aim not to eradicate prostitution; but to stem its growth;
4. The campaign against prostituion is a knee-jerk reaction after a high- profile case of a bureaucrat who was killed by a sex worker for trying to force her to have sex. (She was not sent to prison by virtue of the national sentiment in her favor.)
Dan Hawaii
07-30-10, 19:08
Bob,
Not sure if your Porsche cayenne was just a random car pick or not, but I do see that black Porsche cayenne parked outside of cali red a lot and that guy gets the most beautiful girls ever! Girls that are unbelievable!
AsnDragon
That California red club is good fun. It's like a las Vegas club. But might be too loud for the elderly, haha j/k. But it's a good loud because they play hip hop and r&b and hardly any Chinese songs. Mostly the recent hip hop genre that you hear on the popular radio stations. There are go go dancers, entertainers that karaoke and get the atmosphere partying.
It's a nice change of pace from ktving every night. Just bring a couple of dates and enjoy. Liquor prices are similar to Ktv prices. There are bullshit dice and the cute staff may entertain you in a game or two. I went with Freepeaks and the staff sang happy birthday to his gf. Was good fun.
Dan Hawaii
07-31-10, 09:34
The business theory may have held 15 or so years ago, but if you go to places like CP now, it is mainly for Hong Kong guys now whose only business in China is pussy.
I have to disagree.
There are thousands of factories in CP and in the neighboring vicinity. I'm just talking about a 60 minute car ride circumference around CP. And many of these factories have hundreds of factory workers in each factory.
Bob Builder
07-31-10, 17:50
I have to disagree.
There are thousands of factories in CP and in the neighboring vicinity. I'm just talking about a 60 minute car ride circumference around CP. And many of these factories have hundreds of factory workers in each factory.
Despite what some people think not all business from factories is done within the walls of a KTV.
I just had dinner with friend who does business and mongers in China and he was commenting on when I first came here 15 - 20 years ago that I must have been one of the few people at the time that mongered here that did not live or do business here. I remember being at KTVs at the time and being asked what business I did in China at the time and when I said none, I used to get strange looks. Now if I go to KTV, I might be one of the few that actually does do business here.
I also have lots of Hong Kong friends that just come to places in China like CP just to have fun. CP can be seen as a tourist destination like Macau or Las Vegas where it is travellers, not the locals that are the patrons of the entertainments facilities.
As for facotry workers, they are not going to spend a month's salary on 1 nights entertianment in CP.
Despite what some people think not all business from factories is done within the walls of a KTV.
I just had dinner with friend who does business and mongers in China and he was commenting on when I first came here 15 - 20 years ago that I must have been one of the few people at the time that mongered here that did not live or do business here. I remember being at KTVs at the time and being asked what business I did in China at the time and when I said none, I used to get strange looks. Now if I go to KTV, I might be one of the few that actually does do business here.Bob
I also go there for business... the "monkey" variety.
Picaresco03
08-01-10, 14:23
Fellow mongers a quick question. Can I go alone to KTVs like Mayflower, Fuhao and look at the line up and take a girl home without doing the whole drinking and singing at the KTV? Or alternatiedly are there any ktvs that have a bar area where guys not in a bid group can check out the girls and have a drink by the bar.
Thanks a lot
Bob Builder
08-01-10, 15:23
Bob
I also go there for business... the "monkey" variety.
Exaactly what I am saying.
I have not done any statistical analysis but from what I have seen and I am able to tell the difference between local China and Hong Kong mongers,I am pretty sure that the majority of patrons of CP are Hong Kong guys that usually go to China on weekends and are given the Chinese nickname of "PAU BING" which literally translates as "Cannon Soldier" If anything and you are here like me all the time you actually get bored with the mongering scene.
BB
Fellow mongers a quick question. Can I go alone to KTVs like Mayflower, Fuhao and look at the line up and take a girl home without doing the whole drinking and singing at the KTV? Or alternatiedly are there any ktvs that have a bar area where guys not in a bid group can check out the girls and have a drink by the bar.
Thanks a lot
Picaresco: My advise is to get someone connected to make some arrangements for you. I had similar request, and BigSwingingDave made a few calls - - I showed up at Mayflower and the deal was I had to tip a manager of Mayflower and could take out girl right away. I think it was 100 rmb - - why don't I remember ? Cos I ran into a group of nice Korean folks who let me join their party - - it was win-win and we made the connection during the flower street - - they could use the extra 200 towards the bill - - I enjoyed the party solo.
So you have 2 options here, not to mention I'm sure there are other options like bar where you watch and pick the runway show of girls who didn't get picked.
I like options 1 and 2.
Enjoy !
D23
Silly Newb
08-02-10, 08:33
Went down to this sleezy town over the weekend. Remember reading the board and someone mentioned that the footie right across from the train station is actually a dirty footie. Since the sauna that I was going for was "closed for renovation" (clampdown) I decided to try the dirty footie!
The footie is located right across from the trainstation, at the corner of the crossroad beside Real KungFu and some ramen shop. There are a few girls wearing purple dresses who greet you when you arrive.
Proceed up the stairs, second floor I believe, and you are taken by a floor manager who brings you to a room. The rooms are quite decent, with a recliner, tv, complimentary drinks.
The girls wear short skirts and I saw a few before I settled on a 6. The quality that I saw wasnt that great, Id give them a rank of 4-6. Perhaps I was just unlucky or perhaps that really is their quality. The footie charges 10 yuan for a medicinal foot spa herbal mix, 50 yuan for the first hour and 40 yuan for additional hour.
the massage was quite nice! very thorough, working from your shoulders, to back, to lower back, to head, to arms, to hands. A oily handjob with all the touching is ... apparently free... all I had to do was buy another 2 hours.
You can also get more than 1 girl, get 2, or 3 or 4.
The recliner can recline all the way down, and they would lie down with you, while you let your hands roam and they work their magic. After 2 pops my bill was only 140.
10 for the medicinal pack, 50 for the first hour, and 80 for 2 additional hours.
Also I got number 203, she has small triangular shaped eyes which I found was the biggest problem for me, if you guys go check it out, please post the good numbers!
Cheers!
New Punter
08-03-10, 20:39
I haven't been to CP before and was thinking to include it in my next trip which is in September.
Was hoping some of you seasoned punters would be around that time and might let me tag along.
Appreciate any responses thanks.
Picaresco03
08-04-10, 02:21
Douglas,
Thanks for the advice I will try to hook up accordingly with some sneior members prior to my trip this September.
Cheers!
Picaresco: My advise is to get someone connected to make some arrangements for you. I had similar request, and BigSwingingDave made a few calls - - I showed up at Mayflower and the deal was I had to tip a manager of Mayflower and could take out girl right away. I think it was 100 rmb - - why don't I remember ? Cos I ran into a group of nice Korean folks who let me join their party - - it was win-win and we made the connection during the flower street - - they could use the extra 200 towards the bill - - I enjoyed the party solo.
So you have 2 options here, not to mention I'm sure there are other options like bar where you watch and pick the runway show of girls who didn't get picked.
I like options 1 and 2.
Enjoy !
D23
Was in Houjie City a while back on some business - - dinner and too many drinks first at White Swan hotel in Guangzhou, and then my hosts ushered me into a cab for the long cab ride back to Houjie. My hosts were careful about the cab company - cannot recall whether it was a gold one or blue one but they chose company carefully to guarantee my safe return that late and that long a drive back, especially since I was pretty loaded.
Got to Houjie Sheraton with bad case of blue balls and went downstairs to sauna - - I still have not partaken in Sheraton's sauna extracurriculars but figured that was the night to try. Seems I was way too late, but one of the Supervisors there new what I was after and took me through the Sheraton Garage tunnel to what seemed to be a hotel next door - - this was my first encounter at a hotel style sauna vs. say the ones in Shanghai with the elaborate pajamas, reclining chairs etc).
I was sat down in a room with a few mirrors and shower in the corner and later two girls were brought in. I was quoted prices (too drunk to remember but I think they were 900 including Sheraton guys tip for the "pretty girl" and 800 for the "plain girl".
I chose the plain girl based on her eye contact and once chose immediatley knew I had made a mistake - her expression soured and "pretty girl" looked pissed ot have been passed over.
I quickly changed my mind and "pretty girl"'s attitude changed and the session began.
What went on from there is my most memorable and mind blowing 90 minutes. Started with strip show as she slipped CD in, and revelaed her almost white-tiger.
Into shower - separately and then long BBBJ, rimming and I think maybe even a small toy or two in the backside. CIM and then off to round two. Mounting for round 2 and I learned the definition of spinner - her back actually got a little sweaty as I was her aerobic workout for a while.
An incredible incredible night.
Looking forward to similar antics in CP in October.
Hope the recent quiet period on board is not indiciative of an even greater more sinister crackdown.
D23
Bull Dozer
08-06-10, 07:25
Danny,
Talk to a Mototaxi guy to take you behind the Houjie Bus station, or actually Across from where all the Bars are, the guy will know where to go. I know Houjie well as I have spent a lot of time mongering for the past 5 years. I love Houjie.
BD
Can one of you experienced world traveling mongers help me locate a BBS in Houjie or close. I have done the Sheraton Dongguan sauna and a few more in the area but would love to find a BBS to visit.
Thanks in advance
OldAsiaHand
08-08-10, 05:22
the massage was quite nice! very thorough, working from your shoulders, to back, to lower back, to head, to arms, to hands. A oily handjob with all the touching is ... apparently free... all I had to do was buy another 2 hours.
You can also get more than 1 girl, get 2, or 3 or 4. Silly Newb,
The HJ is free with the second hour, 90 RMB inclusive but you only get one pop I think, but I never asked for 2 pops.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
08-08-10, 05:26
Despite what some people think not all business from factories is done within the walls of a KTV.
I just had dinner with friend who does business and mongers in China and he was commenting on when I first came here 15 - 20 years ago that I must have been one of the few people at the time that mongered here that did not live or do business here. I remember being at KTVs at the time and being asked what business I did in China at the time and when I said none, I used to get strange looks. Now if I go to KTV, I might be one of the few that actually does do business here.
I also have lots of Hong Kong friends that just come to places in China like CP just to have fun. CP can be seen as a tourist destination like Macau or Las Vegas where it is travellers, not the locals that are the patrons of the entertainments facilities.
As for facotry workers, they are not going to spend a month's salary on 1 nights entertianment in CP.There are many factories in the area but how many customers could they possibly have on a given day? All the KTV, saunas and BBS could not survive on their business alone. Probably 99% of guys in CP are there for the action.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
08-09-10, 04:30
Hi Bull Dozer,
I had a great time in Houjie, but always with the KTV girls. Could never find the BBS near the bus station. How far is this BBS area from the Dongguan Sheraton?
Is there any good hotel within walking distance of this BBS area, where one can take the BBS girls to?
BTW, try the restaurant on the second floor across the street from the Dongguan Sheraton. It had a Panasonic banner hang on it. This was the KTV girls' favorite restaurant as it's nice and quiet, the large menu has many exotic and delicious dishes... I usually bring the KTV girls along to order from the menu for me...
I remember 4 people ordered 6 dishes with 4 large beer bottles. The bill came to about US$12...hehe. Had a great time in Houjie with some of the most beautiful young girls...Capatain,
Maybe Bull mean he have not been to Houjie for 5 years, most bbs is been gone for over 3 yr, there are a big crack down 3 yr ago they closed down most sauna and bbs, only actions now is disco and KTV better off go to CP or Dongguan city to play.
Fast Eddie 48
Game On:
KTVs have been a-Rocking since a jett-load of ISG friends came to town. Mayflower, FuHao, Jing Nang, etc. It's been parties of over 7 guys each round and each party has been full of singing, dancing, drinking, grinding, groping, drinking, laughing, playing games, drinking, and more groping and drinking. KTVs still are cautious, but the fun inside has still been H-O-T. Flower street still on, but once the girls get into the room, they request to get changed to normal clothes. It's to protect the KTV establishment since the girls are out of the KTV uniforms. But some KTVs have put in a no jeans rule since customers complain that the gals wear pants that make it hard to touch the legs. So most likely she'll wear short shorts or mini-skirts. In any case, fun still and funner still when the party is big.
BBSs have been pretty great lately as well. They move around a bit, but once you find them, it's been a nice little pleasure looking at the room-full of young beauties. Service has been great and for a long while, I have not been rushed! Usually, they rush through and request to leave. I guess hanging out with someone is better than sitting bored in the BBS room.
I haven't done Saunas, but a word of advice is to hook up with someone who has a contact number since during this period, many Saunas do not accept 'walk in' customers. They request you know a manager/contact or a regular customer (a referral). And I would not recommend trekking to Chang An for Saunas or dirty footies. Lots have been under hush-hush mode.
Game Off:
Some brothers have given me the nickname "Rainout" for my lack of game. As the atmosphere in the given p4p venues have been consistently excellent and full of fun, at times one indulges in the females working at footies, hair salons, bakeries, clothing shops, etc. Now these are not p4p in the traditional sense, but wine-n-dine and some cassonova-moves may get you some play. Some, however, have no game and cannot make a move after days (weeks) of chasing. In any case, it's been fun doing some little daytime games before going to the sure-things in the KTVs.
just my POV,
RAINOUT
OldAsiaHand
08-10-10, 02:38
capatain,
maybe bull mean he have not been to houjie for 5 years, most bbs is been gone for over 3 yr, there are a big crack down 3 yr ago they closed down most sauna and bbs, only actions now is disco and ktv better off go to cp or dongguan city to play.
fast eddie 48
there used to be a row of bbs near the humen ferry terminal but most of those were shut down in the crackdown. you could still find a few left rep001tered around in the area across the street from the sheraton in the smaller alleys as of around 6 months ago but with the current crackdown who knows. definitely not a bbs town.
oah
I have lived in dongguan city for about 8 months and the only thing I have found are oil massage places (at least one in houjie and I know there are some in Dongcheng).
But I know there are saunas in dongcheng because taxi drivers offer to drive me to them when I ask them about girls.
If you go to the bar street (jiu ba jie) you will find freelancers inside certain bars (Hollywood Baby Too, Beijing Bar, etc). There is a KTV attached to BB bar and from what I see customers take the girls to the bar a lot of the time and the quality seems to be good.
There are old, washed up western hookers at Ice Bar, if that is your thing.
Beijing Bar is always good for some freebie action as well. When I am in the mood, I never fail to pick up girls there.
Fast Eddie 48
08-11-10, 07:56
there used to be a row of bbs near the humen ferry terminal but most of those were shut down in the crackdown. you could still find a few left rep001tered around in the area across the street from the sheraton in the smaller alleys as of around 6 months ago but with the current crackdown who knows. definitely not a bbs town.
oahoah,
yes that is the good old days 10 yr ago there are many bbs even sw houjie and humen 100 rmb, i was in humen last about 2 yr ago yes there are a few around humen plaza but girl are too young and no bbbj is offer?
Fast Eddie 48
08-11-10, 09:22
Hi Freddie
Where are the BBS in Dongguan City?
Houjie is a small town right next to Dongguan. So I assume he meant the Dongguan BBS somewhere near the Dongguan bus station.
A city as big as Dongguan must have areas where the girls ply their trade.Captain,
Dogguan city is not a bbs town you can say the whole dongguan bbs is going away slowly, this is a big city everything is spread out not as easy as small town like CP, there are a few bbs around the Dongguan stadium where the cba play, taxi guy drop me off there a few month ago most place only offer HJ for 60-80 rmb a few bbs offer FS for 200 rmb but quality sicks, I get most of my action at hotel sauna like cosmo and international hotel dongcheng going rate is 450 rmb and up.
Fast Eddie 48
The Frenchman
08-11-10, 09:29
Hi All
I do a lot of business in PRC and thus with my China business partner get onto the inside track on some things
I was invited by a supplier to make a outing to DG about a week ago(just during the crackdown)
There is a special hotel which is mainly used by PLC officers and is guarded by army staff
If you have the right business contacts they maybe can the get you in(you cannot just drop in)
Place name is tai yuan hotel
Tel 13530452519
The service level would be exceptional
Play safe
Frenchman
Usbomber123
08-12-10, 01:37
Oah,
Yes that is the good old days 10 yr ago there are many BBS even SW Houjie and Humen 100 rmb, I was in Humen last about 2 yr ago yes there are a few around Humen plaza but girl are too young and no BBBJ is offer?Perhaps if we talk less about these places on the board and keep detail information to PMs will allow them to come back?
My observation is that everytime somebody posted detail information on the board about great places, the places get raided and it's gone within a month. Somebody is watching us?
Big Swingin Dave
08-12-10, 16:50
Last Tuesday Mayflower was raided due to drugs. So, it has been closed for a few days including Friday. There may be a chance of it opening back up on Saturday but will not know until tomorrow. The Chinese government takes drugs very seriously so please be sure to party with people that do not have any drugs on them as the police view that if you are in the same room where there are drugs, you are accessory to the crime. Remember in China, you are guilty until proven innocent. Play safe out there!
BSD
Just Seven
08-13-10, 02:15
Perhaps if we talk less about these places on the board and keep detail information to PMs will allow them to come back?
My observation is that everytime somebody posted detail information on the board about great places, the places get raided and it's gone within a month. Somebody is watching us?Its not like MOST of these places are any secret. The places get raided WHEN the police/vice gets TOLD to raid them. Not because someone on ISG reporting clued the police in on where the action is. If you know, they most definitely know, they just don't care until they are told to care.
Fast Eddie 48
08-13-10, 04:33
Perhaps if we talk less about these places on the board and keep detail information to PMs will allow them to come back?
My observation is that everytime somebody posted detail information on the board about great places, the places get raided and it's gone within a month. Somebody is watching us?To US bomber 123,
This place is not coming back it is been over 3 yr since the crack down and the bbs area didn't come back, what made you think they will come back maybe you know something that I don't, the Chinese goverment know what is going on, they don't rely on this forum.
Fast Eddie 48
Last Tuesday Mayflower was raided due to drugs. So, it has been closed for a few days including Friday. There may be a chance of it opening back up on Saturday but will not know until tomorrow. The Chinese government takes drugs very seriously so please be sure to party with people that do not have any drugs on them as the police view that if you are in the same room where there are drugs, you are accessory to the crime. Remember in China, you are guilty until proven innocent. Play safe out there!
BSDWhat kind of drugs are we talking about here? I'm just curious.
I haven't done Saunas, but a word of advice is to hook up with someone who has a contact number since during this period, many Saunas do not accept 'walk in' customers. They request you know a manager/contact or a regular customer (a referral). And I would not recommend trekking to Chang An for Saunas or dirty footies. Lots have been under hush-hush mode.
RAINOUT
I thought you were temporarily Rain Delay, but haven't had an update in awile. LOL.... Wonder why you would say not to trek to ChangAn.... friday at 7pm we were there with all saunas closed..?
Yes there is a crackdown, you have to know a mommie to get in a sauna, even in CP I was asked to wait in lobby of hotel and met by a mommie. so they are on stealth mode... I have to agree with 'RAINOUT' that the BBS quality was decent and service was very good with girls wanting to stay longer (perhaps few customers?).
What kind of drugs are we talking about here? I'm just curious.
It usually is Special K
SE Asia Joe
08-13-10, 18:00
What kind of drugs are we talking about here? I'm just curious.
Following are postings from 141 - by Panda boy
That said, the rumors were true about the MF. Apparently, an undercover went in and bought K from a manager, and they proceeded to shut the Mayflower down. I can confirm bookings were moved to Jaiyi.
by Waikeekee
According to them, the Brothers Manager were arrested along with some of their accomplist. One of them is out and the other one is still in Dalang Detention. He will probably be jailed for dealing in illicit drugs. During the usual fun evening on that fateful day @ KTV Room V0?, the Customers were actually undercoverd Policemen who had patronized MF several time since. So, it was an operation afterall. The perpertrators were actually selling the drugs to the undercovered policemen, cash and drugs exchanged hands.
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
08-13-10, 18:32
Jim Traveller, Racetrack, Oskar Tee, Bruce Tea, and another non-ISG regular brother were partying at Tao Yuan (JiaYi) KTV tonight. The place has not been hopping like this for a while now ever since Mayflower has opened across the street. All of the Mayflower girls have come over to TY to work so all 80 rooms were fully booked. I saw the Mayflower GM in the hallway and briefly discussed when it will reopen and she indicated that the earliest will be Monday and the latest Tuesday. With Mayflower being closed, all the other KTVs in town are fully booked as well. After Mayflower reopens, TY will only open on Friday and Saturday nights to handle the overflow of business at Mayflower; however, they will not have a flower street as all of the girls will be presented at the Mayflower Flower Street.
BSD
Usbomber123
08-14-10, 09:38
To US bomber 123,
This place is not coming back it is been over 3 yr since the crack down and the bbs area didn't come back, what made you think they will come back maybe you know something that I don't, the Chinese goverment know what is going on, they don't rely on this forum.
Fast Eddie 48I agree with you on the part that the Chinese government knows what is going on and not rely on this forum.
I also had heard from some veteran here that CP is gone once in the 2005 but made a come back in 2007?
But some senior members here is also telling me that the Chinese value their pride more than anyone else in the world. With my 6 months of doing business with the Chinese I fully understands and support this theory. So if all these information is appearing on a foreign website, they will not be pleased about it. If I am them, I can't do anything about the website, I will do something about those locations, so that the information will turn out to be false or past. By stamping out those places also shows that the Chinese Government is doing their job which is good for their pride! But unfortunately NOT good for us. It is too much a coincident that everytime some new or good places get mentioned on the board, the government makes sure it is gone in the next few days. So I am very sure that someone is watching us.
Usbomber123
08-14-10, 09:40
Jim Traveller, Racetrack, Oskar Tee, Bruce Tea, and another non-ISG regular brother were partying at Tao Yuan (JiaYi) KTV tonight. The place has not been hopping like this for a while now ever since Mayflower has opened across the street. All of the Mayflower girls have come over to TY to work so all 80 rooms were fully booked. I saw the Mayflower GM in the hallway and briefly discussed when it will reopen and she indicated that the earliest will be Monday and the latest Tuesday. With Mayflower being closed, all the other KTVs in town are fully booked as well. After Mayflower reopens, TY will only open on Friday and Saturday nights to handle the overflow of business at Mayflower; however, they will not have a flower street as all of the girls will be presented at the Mayflower Flower Street.
BSDThanks for your great information Dave.
Can you post your service prices on the Classified threads, as you promised, so that I can decide which one of your services I will take up? Or maybe all of them?
BTW: Are you and Dragon D the same person?
All of the Mayflower girls have come over to TY to work so all 80 rooms were fully booked. I saw the Mayflower GM in the hallway and briefly discussed when it will reopen and she indicated that the earliest will be Monday and the latest Tuesday. With Mayflower being closed, all the other KTVs in town are fully booked as well.
Pretty impressive how you were one of the 80 who actually GOT a room on one of the busiest days of the week. As we all know, Mayflower is one of the most popular KTVs with one of the biggest flower streets in town, and with all bookings transferred to Jia Yi KTV, getting a room in itself takes pull. Great party by the way.
OK,it's that time of year again. Moon Cake Festival! And yeah, girls, DJs, managers, everyone are pressured to SELL MOON CAKE boxes. Prices range from 100 rmb to 150 rmb (as far as I heard). As far as I know, each employee of KTVs are required to sell 10 boxes or else they'd have to eat the unsold boxes (literally). So be prepared to get pressured during the partying, after the partying, and even days after you met the girl. It's not easy saying NO, so get your excuses ready.
SE Asia Joe
08-15-10, 05:10
Just FYI.... Of course!!
Our favorite wanker has now renamed himself "Captain Solo"
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-15-10, 05:44
Looks like this old man is wetting in his pants at the mention of OWL...
Hey.... You get to post here now huh??!!
This oughta be interesting!!
SEAJ
Dear Fellow mongers,
Tonight, I have called several Mamies in Dongcheng to reserve a room, but all of them have responded me saying that the shop is closed. It seems that the shops will reopen next week.
Looks like that they are under severe scrutiny.
Dear Fellow mongers,
Tonight, I have called several Mamies in Dongcheng to reserve a room, but all of them have responded me saying that the shop is closed. It seems that the shops will reopen next week.
Looks like that they are under severe scrutiny.
I had a nice looking girl a true 10 give me a HJ massage at a place in Shenzhen I have been to a few times before ok but average normally. I thought she had got the wrong price some of the things she was doing and the service I got, but I think she was an ex well trained Dongguan girl (she said she lived there) moved on to a safer area 18 years old, big rack, GFE . So you may get a nice massage one day all these Dongguan chicks popping up everywhere. No idea of the place name its in Chinese.
How long do you guys think a typical KTV girl works in CP? I was telling a friend the other day that I usually go to CP once per year. I've not yet had a repeat as I've never run into a girl at the KTV that I originally met her or the phone number that I have for her is disconnected. My friend says that most of these girls usually only last a year at most, maybe two. He says they get tired of the lifestyle or they dont make as much money as they thought.
What do you guys think?
What kind of drugs are we talking about here? I'm just curious.I am not sure what is the exact drugs that they were dealing in but the people in MF KTV call it K Powder. IMHO - Since Sunday Disco closed in the beginning of this year, the drug traffickers seem to have spread out to other joints. A hearsay - New Cenxxxxx is where to get the fix nowadays. Please don't take my word for it. It is just gossip and rumours.
How long do you guys think a typical KTV girl works in CP? I was telling a friend the other day that I usually go to CP once per year. He says they get tired of the lifestyle or they dont make as much money as they thought.
I think 99% of the gals expect to be gone from the KTV scenes in 1-3 months after making some money. Of course, they don't "see" the fees, the hidden costs when not taken out, the lure of drugs, the parasite loser hanger-ons, or the inescapable grips of the mommie.
Thus, they get stuck for additional months...until they go home permanently or force themselves to get a normal job outside of DG. But...it's tough.
A friend of mine mentioned that for KTVs in CP to keep doing this, they need the girls to want to work as a KTV girl, but not make enough money to leave anytime they want to. Therefore, there are fees and penalties and pressure from all over to keep their earnings to a minimal (to keep them happy but still hungry). If she's got a boyfriend, supports a little-white face, or has a drug addiction, she'll be doing the KTV scenes indefinitely.
SE Asia Joe
08-16-10, 17:40
I am not sure what is the exact drugs that they were dealing in but the people in MF KTV call it K Powder. IMHO - Since Sunday Disco closed in the beginning of this year, the drug traffickers seem to have spread out to other joints. A hearsay - New Cenxxxxx is where to get the fix nowadays. Please don't take my word for it. It is just gossip and rumours.
Hey Wak - welcome here!!
Hear you're hanging out a lot in CP these days.
SEAJ
Ps. for those wondering who Wak is - he's a regular poster on 141.
Hey Wak - welcome here!!
Hear you're hanging out a lot in CP these days.
SEAJ
Ps. for those wondering who Wak is - he's a regular poster on 141.Hey Joe,
Thank you for the welcome. I think I still own you lunch, when are you free to meet and have lunch?
Game On:
KTVs have been a-Rocking since a jett-load of ISG friends came to town. Mayflower, FuHao, Jing Nang, etc. It's been parties of over 7 guys each round and each party has been full of singing, dancing, drinking, grinding, groping, drinking, laughing, playing games, drinking, and more groping and drinking. KTVs still are cautious, but the fun inside has still been H-O-T. Flower street still on, but once the girls get into the room, they request to get changed to normal clothes. It's to protect the KTV establishment since the girls are out of the KTV uniforms. But some KTVs have put in a no jeans rule since customers complain that the gals wear pants that make it hard to touch the legs. So most likely she'll wear short shorts or mini-skirts. In any case, fun still and funner still when the party is big.
RAINOUT
Bruce, et al
Since I was one of the fortunate in attendance at all three of these events, I would like to second Bruce's observations. I had been to FuHao before, but it was still a great evening, the Mayflower was my first visit there and both the sheer numbers of youthful Chinese delights, as well as the quality of the selection was amazing. While both quality and quantity were much different at Jing Nang, I think my best "after KTV" experience was the pull from that night. My FuHao night ended with a repeat performance from the "squirter" I met there a while back, with a similar outcome. The Mayflower selection was the best looking, and also a memorable experience, as she was a willing participant in the after hours "track meet". I lost both races with her, but enjoyed the "spirit of competition". As I said, the Jing Nang gal turned out to be a real GFE experience, and of the three wore the best "street clothes" of the weekend. I will admit I was one of the guys that "complained" a little when the girls had to change. I like the cute/sexy outfits they wear at work, and the first two gals came back wearing jeans or pants and a tee shirt, kind of defeated one of the purposes.
What Bruce isn't telling is that having him and Jetsetter in the room made a big difference in the quality of the party. I really appreciated the effort they put into getting things started and introducing some fun games the girls and myself really enjoyed! It made for quite a party atmosphere!
I would also say that the highlight of the weekend was the visits to the legit massage/footie venue. I still believe I received two of the best massages I have ever experienced, a perfect balance of relaxation and sensuality without ever crossing the line into a sexual experience. Both of the footie gals were great, especially the last one. I really enjoyed being in the room, playing cards while these cute girls massage your feet and "help" me learn the game. What a weekend!
Met some great ISG followers, and kudos to you all! You guys pulled some great gals and added to the fun of the evening!
Bruce, just remember that a "rain out" doesn't mean the game is over, only postponed until the conditions improve.......xie xie!
Jettsetter
08-18-10, 03:15
Looks like a reunion of sorts, or at least a rather large gathering will be coming into play this weekend... Call it the perfect storm... haha...
Too bad some of out regular brothers will be absent, but we'll have a good crew, so if you want to come hang out, this next week will be the best time.
I've now been in CP and SZ for the last 3 weeks and actually decided with a fellow ISGer to rent a pad in CP. I have to say my experience has been completely different than the regular same experiences I've had before (albeit all good)...
Having a regular place there allows your flexibility that I really enjoy. Mongering can get a bit old - hence being in and out of CP... but lately I've been focusing my efforts on non P4P... I know the old addage, you always pay, but there's something to be said for getting into the bathroom Club 33 at Disney vs. the public restroom on main street...
Both provide the same utility, but the access is different and so is the fun/challenge...
Either way, I've had my mix of regulars (some fun doubles which don't have the cumbersome switch the jimmy action that would make a double un-fun), new gals, which is always fun to try out (although I've had my fair share of duds), and non-p4p gals... thus far 1 freebie (does doing a girl that used to be a working girl and isn't anymore, but absolutely said up front, i'm doing this for money, i just want to hang out count? - i think it does.. especially since I spent 0 money.. it was literally a bootie call since she has a regular bf now taking care of her), and working on another one (this one has really been a challenge -- but slowly progressing)... (I will not be rained out)...
As for the action, all is still alive and well. Everytime we've looked for a party we've been able to find out.
Oh by the way... we hit up this awesome go-karting place really close by... the fees are not bad, they're not super cheap, but at about $12-$15 USD for a 10 minute course run, it's cheaper than what you'll get in the states (although not "cheap")... but it's not ghetto either.. the track is really nice, cars are fun, and the course is great...
a great "just guys" outing, because we took gals out there last time, they bitched half the time that the helmets were to heavy and kept getting in the way of our race... haha... but it was a blast.... definitely a short excursion to kill a few hours to break the standard fare.
I also went golfing - way too hot... go super early and get a footie aftewards.. that's my advice... although I did manage to buy a nice Taylormade fake club out there... downstairs from HuiHwa...
okay... see you guys soon.
-Jett...
Jettsetter
08-18-10, 03:25
Bruce, et al
Since I was one of the fortunate in attendance at all three of these events, I would like to second Bruce's observations. I had been to FuHao before, but it was still a great evening, the Mayflower was my first visit there and both the sheer numbers of youthful Chinese delights, as well as the quality of the selection was amazing. While both quality and quantity were much different at Jing Nang, I think my best "after KTV" experience was the pull from that night. My FuHao night ended with a repeat performance from the "squirter" I met there a while back, with a similar outcome. The Mayflower selection was the best looking, and also a memorable experience, as she was a willing participant in the after hours "track meet". I lost both races with her, but enjoyed the "spirit of competition". As I said, the Jing Nang gal turned out to be a real GFE experience, and of the three wore the best "street clothes" of the weekend. I will admit I was one of the guys that "complained" a little when the girls had to change. I like the cute/sexy outfits they wear at work, and the first two gals came back wearing jeans or pants and a tee shirt, kind of defeated one of the purposes.
What Bruce isn't telling is that having him and Jetsetter in the room made a big difference in the quality of the party. I really appreciated the effort they put into getting things started and introducing some fun games the girls and myself really enjoyed! It made for quite a party atmosphere!
I would also say that the highlight of the weekend was the visits to the legit massage/footie venue. I still believe I received two of the best massages I have ever experienced, a perfect balance of relaxation and sensuality without ever crossing the line into a sexual experience. Both of the footie gals were great, especially the last one. I really enjoyed being in the room, playing cards while these cute girls massage your feet and "help" me learn the game. What a weekend!
Met some great ISG followers, and kudos to you all! You guys pulled some great gals and added to the fun of the evening!
Bruce, just remember that a "rain out" doesn't mean the game is over, only postponed until the conditions improve.......xie xie!
It was pretty fun partying with the contingency, most of the handles I forgot. I just remember their real names... So I won't really mention them. But it was amazing how we had so many single travelers (in the sense that everyone showed up was traveling on their own). Most guys were able to communicate in Chinese a bit...
We had a blast, had some great fun and generally partied like it was going out of style...
I would like to add some sense of exercise into the mix of CP... anybody out there play any tennis OR basketball?? I think it'd be good to get in a dose of both while drinking, eating and getting massages like we were pieces of wagyu beef ready for the slaughterhouse...
SE Asia Joe
08-18-10, 04:31
Hi Freddie
Where are the BBS in Dongguan City?
Houjie is a small town right next to Dongguan. So I assume he meant the Dongguan BBS somewhere near the Dongguan bus station.
A city as big as Dongguan must have areas where the girls ply their trade.
Hey One Wing Low - aren't you the one who knows everything about China? From your 4 or 5, once a year visits here??
At least that's what you've been telling all of us here in the past.....before Jackson banned you in your own "One Wing Low's Fantasy Land" thread. He's let you out now huh?
And if you're such an experienced China hand - why would you need to ask Eddie (Yes it's Eddie and not Freddie - put your coke bottle bottom glasses back on!!) about anything?
Jackson should put you back in your cage before you again start spouting off with your boasful and wrong opinions - like the one you posted on the Shenzhen thread, and like most of your previous posts.
Just IMHO. LOL!!
SEAJ
It was pretty fun partying with the contingency, most of the handles I forgot. I just remember their real names... So I won't really mention them. But it was amazing how we had so many single travelers (in the sense that everyone showed up was traveling on their own). Most guys were able to communicate in Chinese a bit...
We had a blast, had some great fun and generally partied like it was going out of style...
I would like to add some sense of exercise into the mix of CP... anybody out there play any tennis OR basketball?? I think it'd be good to get in a dose of both while drinking, eating and getting massages like we were pieces of wagyu beef ready for the slaughterhouse...
I wish I was going to be there for this next round of fun! It was a good group and I think that everyone appreciated the moment!
I will make sure to bring my tennis racket next time. I agree, a little sunshine and exercise wouldn't hurt any of us...:-) Maybe we should look at taking up badminton, as it seems to be pretty popular and from what I have seen is nothing like the stuff we played in the back yard!
Say hello to everyone for me, can't wait for my next wagyu beef treatment!
Basketball or tennis would be good fun. We should get a few rackets if we can find a court somewhere, that is something you could actually do with the girls as long as they wear tennis skirts :)
What a dip. It's funny how he insults all of us, but still asks us for information.
Hey One Wing Low - aren't you the one who knows everything about China? From your 4 or 5, once a year visits here??
At least that's what you've been telling all of us here in the past.....before Jackson banned you in your own "One Wing Low's Fantasy Land" thread. He's let you out now huh?
And if you're such an experienced China hand - why would you need to ask Eddie (Yes it's Eddie and not Freddie - put your coke bottle bottom glasses back on!!) about anything?
Jackson should put you back in your cage before you again start spouting off with your boasful and wrong opinions - like the one you posted on the Shenzhen thread, and like most of your previous posts.
Just IMHO. LOL!!
SEAJ
Looks like a reunion of sorts, or at least a rather large gathering will be coming into play this weekend. Call it the perfect storm. Haha.
Too bad some of out regular brothers will be absent, but we'll have a good crew, so if you want to come hang out, this next week will be the best time.
I've now been in CP and SZ for the last 3 weeks and actually decided with a fellow ISGer to rent a pad in CP. I have to say my experience has been completely different than the regular same experiences I've had before (albeit all good).
Having a regular place there allows your flexibility that I really enjoy. Mongering can get a bit old. Hence being in and out of CP. But lately I've been focusing my efforts on non P4P. I know the old addage, you always pay, but there's something to be said for getting into the bathroom Club 33 at Disney vs. The public restroom on main street.
Both provide the same utility, but the access is different and so is the fun/challenge.
Either way, I've had my mix of regulars (some fun doubles which don't have the cumbersome switch the jimmy action that would make a double un-fun), new gals, which is always fun to try out (although I've had my fair share of duds), and non-p4p gals. Thus far 1 freebie (does doing a girl that used to be a working girl and isn't anymore, but absolutely said up front, I'm doing this for money, I just want to hang out count?. I think it does. Especially since I spent 0 money. It was literally a bootie call since she has a regular bf now taking care of her), and working on another one (this one has really been a challenge. But slowly progressing). (I will not be rained out).
As for the action, all is still alive and well. Everytime we've looked for a party we've been able to find out.
Oh by the way. We hit up this awesome go-karting place really close by. The fees are not bad, they're not super cheap, but at about $12-$15 USD for a 10 minute course run, it's cheaper than what you'll get in the states (although not "cheap"). But it's not ghetto either. The track is really nice, cars are fun, and the course is great.
A great "just guys" outing, because we took gals out there last time, they bitched half the time that the helmets were to heavy and kept getting in the way of our race. Haha. But it was a blast. Definitely a short excursion to kill a few hours to break the standard fare.
I also went golfing. Way too hot. Go super early and get a footie aftewards. That's my advice. Although I did manage to buy a nice Taylormade fake club out there. Downstairs from HuiHwa.
Okay. See you guys soon.
Jett.Just came back to the States, and saw all the action down south. I want to cry.
Went to Shanghai to see the World Expo which turns out not bad, me and Ken is planning to go back on Nov. Is everyone going to be there?
Sardaukar1
08-18-10, 22:26
Hey Wak - welcome here!!
Hear you're hanging out a lot in CP these days.Bro wkk ALWAYS hangs out a lot in CP, from way back, not just "these days." LOL
ManonsanBoy
08-18-10, 22:56
Any info on Zhangmutou
Jettsetter
08-19-10, 05:24
Basketball or tennis would be good fun. We should get a few rackets if we can find a court somewhere, that is something you could actually do with the girls as long as they wear tennis skirts :)
Hui Hua has a court... I think the rental rate is 30 rmb per hour, I could be wrong, because haven't been there in a while... not sure if they have lights either... it's way too hot to play during the day... but what's nice would be tennis followed by a dip in their pool...
Fast Eddie 48
08-19-10, 06:15
I was at Jia yi last night and it was pack, there are alot of girls and the mamasan are very agressive, my friend told me they are temp from mayflower they gang up on me in a group of ten, the security save me by tell them is move they are blocking the isle, I was told mayflower might open this Friday again, most sauna and bbs in town quality is bad so KTV is the best bet, there are major crack down at Dogguan city and huizhou right now CP and shenzhen still have the best actions.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
08-19-10, 12:21
Bro wkk ALWAYS hangs out a lot in CP, from way back, not just "these days." LOL
Yeah - Weelock told me that he "introduced" Wak to CP last summer - and he's really taken to it like fish to water!!
So you're posting here too huh?
The 141 crew's coming over to invade us here!! LOL!
SEAJ
Sardaukar1
08-19-10, 21:41
Yeah - Weelock told me that he "introduced" Wak to CP last summer - and he's really taken to it like fish to water!!
So you're posting here too huh?
The 141 crew's coming over to invade us here!! LOL!
SEAJI started posting in the Chengdu section when I visited the city a couple months ago. A lot more info about Chengdu here compared to 141. I even bought myself a membership so I can PM the ISG bros in Chengdu, LOL.
Hui Hua has a court... I think the rental rate is 30 rmb per hour, I could be wrong, because haven't been there in a while... not sure if they have lights either... it's way too hot to play during the day... but what's nice would be tennis followed by a dip in their pool...
That isn't bad. I think the pool charge 30rmb for a pass if you are not at hotel, if you have a gold card just show that and they might let you slide. They aren't really paying attention there since hardly anyone uses the pool.
There is a 'public' pool south of Huihua (in direction of Rainbow shopping center) that charges 10rmb a girl told me she said it was good fun to swim there - although i know for a fact she can't swim... but i would say the pool is twice the size of HuiHua.
SE Asia Joe
08-20-10, 13:51
I started posting in the Chengdu section when I visited the city a couple months ago. A lot more info about Chengdu here compared to 141. I even bought myself a membership so I can PM the ISG bros in Chengdu, LOL.
That's the good part about ISG vs 141.
One can just zero in on a certain location and RTFF to get most of the info needed on the place.
At 141, I can never find out much by way of info - its just a good chit chat forum IMHO.... and of course good up-dated info on the 141 gals in Hong Kong specifically
SEAJ
Bob Builder
08-20-10, 22:40
This guy SE ASIA JERK always seems to claim he knows everything about China, and nobody else does!
No, I wasnt asking a rude, nasty guy like him for any info or advise! By showing his lack of respect for other posters and flaunting his know-it-all attitude, he must be one of those dumb, uneducated, nasty, low-life losers in HK.
His attitudes in this thread are just like those low-life street thugs who pick pockets, steal, pimp in HK.
He always acts like a rude, obnoxious, stupid jerk, provoking fights. He's a shame for his race.
Just IMHO. LOL!
WTF has race got to do with it?
You are a real dumbass. Falling yet again to the tactics of the Master Baiter. "Uneducated"? At least Joe has a higher intelect than you as he is able to play you like a cheap piano.
And after I suggested to Jackson a while back that it would not hurt to let you back in the main fourm when he was asking people about what to do about Joe.
Hope you enjoyed your short stay back while it lasted.
I suggest that Jackson should wipe all of his shit off the forum and save some server space. Any support from others on this?
BB
Dan Hawaii
08-22-10, 23:34
I suggest that Jackson should wipe all of his shit off the forum and save some server space. Any support from others on this?
BB
I think we should leave the older posts, because it's sort of like "evidence" to his character. :)
Dan Hawaii
08-22-10, 23:43
Just arrived in CP a couple of days ago. Nothing much has changed. I'm kind of lucky that I just missed the crackdowns last month (in July). Things seem to be back to normal in CP. Freepeaks had it bad, as he PMed me saying be very careful, the kind of careful, where you don't even walk with the girls, let alone, hold their hands. And saunas were closed, you could only get service if you knew an inside contact.
The only thing that was closed, when I arrived, was the Mayflower KTV, because they had a drug bust last week, where the manager was selling Special K. Oh well, that passed too, and the Mayflower is now open again (as of last night).
Dan Hawaii
08-22-10, 23:49
First night in CP. We came late into town, like midnight. We decided to just go to EuroAsia sauna and sleep over in the sauna, because the last guy in the SkyLimo was getting dropped off at EuroAsia. You can only sleep over in the saunas, if you arrive at midnight or later. At the Miraton and others, I think after 10pm, it is ok to sleep over in the sauna for free. The prices are 268rmb for the room and they had so many freaking different pricing for the girls:
300rmb
400rmb
600rmb
800rmb
900rmb
something like this. For real, I'm not kidding.
I picked a 300rmb and my friend picked a 400rmb girl. Was pretty good service all around, we both were happy.
Dan Hawaii
08-22-10, 23:56
We moved to the Clipper with Dave and crew. Got there around 9am, and they let us check in early, nice. Anyways, got a haircut and a full body massage, then headed down to FuHao ktv to meet Dave and Crew.
It was an awesome party of 10 guys and 20 girls. I'm not kidding, if you include the DJ's, friends of friends, etc.. Was a pretty bumping party, but never saw any stripping going on like I'm used to. Oh well, I sat 2 girls and they were working hard all night. hahaha.
Dan Hawaii
08-23-10, 00:14
Went to get a footie at the clipper. I got 2 hours, an ear cleaning, and callus foot scrubbing. The bill was only 150rmb, not bad.
Then the shit hit the fan. Some girl died next to the Clipper. Damn, all the police and ambulance swarming all over. Apparantly she dropped from the Clipper Hotel. Not sure if it was murder or suicide. LE ordered all guests from the 13th floor to get the fuck out and relocate, as they were shutting down that whole floor.
Oh well, didn't stop us from going on as planned. Went on bbs run, but all shops near the clipper were closed because of the LE. All chickens migrating to the Yalan KTV BBS area. Had decent quantity and quality. I was surprised as I have been hearing BBS has been going down. But nope, business as usual, except for the fact that many BBS's has relocated. Thank you Bruce Tea for taking us around, showing us where the new locations are.
We planned for "date night" that night, dinner and California Red Bar. So we kept the BBS girls LT. Went to the famous Chicken Restaurant, wow that place got renovated and looks like a 4 star restaurant with AC. Food was good, chicken was awesome. The bill was kind of high.
California Red, I got mixed reviews by friends, 3 of us liked it, one was ok with it, and the other didn't like it. For me, I like it. Thanks FreePeaks for showing me that spot. It's pretty much like a Club back stateside because, for the most part, they play American music, but with bar stools kind of furniture. Very crowded everynight, even on Sundays. Does not happen until 10:30 pm. RSVP is a must. Thanks Dave for the RSVP, the manager was cool, he comped us some snacks. The prices are reasonably cheaper than the KTV, I think 150 each person and everyone, including your dates, would get FUBAR drunk.
Dan Hawaii
08-23-10, 00:21
Woke up at 6am, still on homeland time zone. Sucks. Anyways, I think we are checking out of the Clipper today, as we don't want to be around the dead, talking about the girl that fell out of the Clipper Hotel yeaterday. Kind of bad karma or something. Just a buzz kill.... party killer.
Anyways, I hope I find a hottie soon, because last night's girl was okay pretty with makeup, but when that "war paint" came off, damn..., had to kick her out early. But she was cool and fun. But kind of borderline wierd. She wanted to move in with me and wanted me to buy her a dog?!?!? WTF?
Dan Hawaii
08-23-10, 00:42
Anybody knows how the LA Bar is now days? I went there several times and the fun level just keeps going down hill.
Any Seniors know how the action in Chang An is, a couple of my friends want to go check it out. I heard that place got raided hard and a lot of the venues got shut down???
All my cantonese friends back home says Zhongsan, (spelling?), is happening, any thoughts or recommendations? Some of my friends want to venture out, I'm kind of reluctant. I mean, can the grass be greener than CP?
Bob Builder
08-23-10, 02:23
Anybody knows how the LA Bar is now days? I went there several times and the fun level just keeps going down hill.
Any Seniors know how the action in Chang An is, a couple of my friends want to go check it out. I heard that place got raided hard and a lot of the venues got shut down???
All my cantonese friends back home says Zhongsan, (spelling?), is happening, any thoughts or recommendations? Some of my friends want to venture out, I'm kind of reluctant. I mean, can the grass be greener than CP?
Unless you have freinds or relatives there, ot is going to be hit or miss.
Put it this way, I have good friends from Zhongshan and when they want to party they go to CP, enuff said.
The few times that I have partied there the service from the gals at KTVs has been shit and the gals at Saunas seem like well worn rejects from Zhuhai.
Dan Hawaii
08-23-10, 03:29
The only thing that was closed, when I arrived, was the Mayflower KTV, because they had a drug bust last week, where the manager was selling Special K. Oh well, that passed too, and the Mayflower is now open again (as of last night).
Sorry, I got wrong information, the Mayflower is still closed. However, all the chickens migrated to Jia Yi.
Dan Hawaii
08-23-10, 03:31
Unless you have freinds or relatives there, ot is going to be hit or miss.
Put it this way, I have good friends from Zhongshan and when they want to party they go to CP, enuff said.
The few times that I have partied there the service from the gals at KTVs has been shit and the gals at Saunas seem like well worn rejects from Zhuhai.
Thanks for the info. I'll scratch that off my list.
My friends have family there, so I guess that's why they like it there.
Me and my buddy will head up to CP on 1st week of sept, anyone in town want to hang out?
I'm a newbie going to CP with my buddy.
Does anyone care to shed some light or want to hang out?
Is this Yalan KTV BBS a KTV or a BBS? Do girls sit around in a room and you go into said room and pick them like a bbs? Is there a room upstairs or something?
We planned for "date night" that night, dinner and California Red Bar. So we kept the BBS girls LT. Went to the famous Chicken Restaurant, wow that place got renovated and looks like a 4 star restaurant with AC. Food was good, chicken was awesome. The bill was kind of high.
Date Night's definitely fun to get some rest from KTV action every single evening. My observation is that CP's prices are higher than a lot of other places in DG. Food prices higher, clothing higher, electronics higher, etc. etc. I mean, people come here for fun, but if the girl wants u to take her shopping, it's like shopping at the mall (or a friend told me ... like Duty free shops). Of course, compared to the states or HK, it's relatively cheaper, but overall, in comparison to southern China, it's marked up higher.
My girl took me to Nan Cheng and we did some shopping. Almost 40-50% cheaper than CP. Probably cause in CP, gals and guys are overspenders and have some hard cash to spend. Most clothes for gals are 80-200 rmb when in other cities they can be had for 30-100 rmb. For electronics, go to SZ; for other stuff, go to GZ. CP is pretty much only good for KTVs and BBSs.
Meiguoguizi
08-23-10, 15:39
My girl took me to Nan Cheng and we did some shopping.
Rainout's got a girl! A Bruce Tea girl! BT's got game !!!
Rainout's got a girl! A Bruce Tea girl! BT's got game !!!
Wait a second before we go getting too excited we need more details.
Part of the agreement was that BT was not supposed to spend any money on the girl other than the usual stuff you would pay on a normal date. If he went to NC and took the girl shopping she is probably a working girl that he previously knew or she may be a normal girl that cannot be taken into account due to the fact that he took her shopping.
So spill the beans, BT, whats going on?
Here's a question about KTV etiquette I was hoping the more experienced on the board can weigh in on.
A while back at Houjie Town KTV, my friend decided to take his girl Short Time - - he had two girls in the room - zipped upstairs for an hour or so, and came back with his girl - paid her 500 upstairs, and was definitely more relaxed as he came back into the room.
He then spent rest of night deciding whether to take Girl #2 back ST or LT, or even his "sloppy first" back for another round.
He was spent and took neither, playing Girl #2 her 200.
My question is as follows:
1) is this ok - ie) cool woith girls - and KTV buddies ?
2) if he took first girl back home would he then have to pay her another 500 for ST or would another 500 give him LT ? Or should he have just not paid her in room and then settled at end of night ?
If it is ok with all involved, it seems to me like a reasonable mid-evening outing - kind of a test drive.
Interested to hear comments regarding appropriateness / advise. Thanks in advance.
D23
Bob Builder
08-25-10, 02:47
Here's a question about KTV etiquette I was hoping the more experienced on the board can weigh in on.
A while back at Houjie Town KTV, my friend decided to take his girl Short Time - - he had two girls in the room - zipped upstairs for an hour or so, and came back with his girl - paid her 500 upstairs, and was definitely more relaxed as he came back into the room.
He then spent rest of night deciding whether to take Girl #2 back ST or LT, or even his "sloppy first" back for another round.
He was spent and took neither, playing Girl #2 her 200.
My question is as follows:
1) is this ok - ie) cool woith girls - and KTV buddies ?
2) if he took first girl back home would he then have to pay her another 500 for ST or would another 500 give him LT ? Or should he have just not paid her in room and then settled at end of night ?
If it is ok with all involved, it seems to me like a reasonable mid-evening outing - kind of a test drive.
Interested to hear comments regarding appropriateness / advise. Thanks in advance.
D23
What does it matter if it is cool with the girls? You are the customer.
To save any problems you should say up front what you are going to do and pay later. Once the girl has money in her hands you lose control of what she is going to do. Because she may not want to have to spend the whole night with you for an extra 500 when she may be able to get another customer in another room and do ST with another quick 500.
Ready Rover
08-25-10, 16:07
Bruce, et al
Since I was one of the fortunate in attendance at all three of these events, I would like to second Bruce's observations. I had been to FuHao before, but it was still a great evening, the Mayflower was my first visit there and both the sheer numbers of youthful Chinese delights, as well as the quality of the selection was amazing. While both quality and quantity were much different at Jing Nang, I think my best "after KTV" experience was the pull from that night. My FuHao night ended with a repeat performance from the "squirter" I met there a while back, with a similar outcome. The Mayflower selection was the best looking, and also a memorable experience, as she was a willing participant in the after hours "track meet". I lost both races with her, but enjoyed the "spirit of competition". As I said, the Jing Nang gal turned out to be a real GFE experience, and of the three wore the best "street clothes" of the weekend. I will admit I was one of the guys that "complained" a little when the girls had to change. I like the cute/sexy outfits they wear at work, and the first two gals came back wearing jeans or pants and a tee shirt, kind of defeated one of the purposes.
What Bruce isn't telling is that having him and Jetsetter in the room made a big difference in the quality of the party. I really appreciated the effort they put into getting things started and introducing some fun games the girls and myself really enjoyed! It made for quite a party atmosphere!
I would also say that the highlight of the weekend was the visits to the legit massage/footie venue. I still believe I received two of the best massages I have ever experienced, a perfect balance of relaxation and sensuality without ever crossing the line into a sexual experience. Both of the footie gals were great, especially the last one. I really enjoyed being in the room, playing cards while these cute girls massage your feet and "help" me learn the game. What a weekend!
Met some great ISG followers, and kudos to you all! You guys pulled some great gals and added to the fun of the evening!
Bruce, just remember that a "rain out" doesn't mean the game is over, only postponed until the conditions improve. Xie xie!Hi. I was there that weekend too, although I was called Simon Li then. BSD coached me to get a better Username, so here I am. I echo all the comments about what a great cast of characters BSD assembled two weeks ago. He made the weekend swing for everyone, but Bruce Tea and Jetsetter made it fly.
The new name is partly in honor of the lady in the red dress at Jin Lang, who was the perfect end to the perfect weekend. Saw her again last weekend, and will be going back. Those who were there know who I'm talking about. Hope to meet the rest of you soon. Dave. Thanks again. And Bruce. The weather is getting better every day.
Dan Hawaii
08-26-10, 03:21
Here's a question about KTV etiquette I was hoping the more experienced on the board can weigh in on.
A while back at Houjie Town KTV, my friend decided to take his girl Short Time - - he had two girls in the room - zipped upstairs for an hour or so, and came back with his girl - paid her 500 upstairs, and was definitely more relaxed as he came back into the room.
He then spent rest of night deciding whether to take Girl #2 back ST or LT, or even his "sloppy first" back for another round.
He was spent and took neither, playing Girl #2 her 200.
My question is as follows:
1) is this ok - ie) cool woith girls - and KTV buddies ?
2) if he took first girl back home would he then have to pay her another 500 for ST or would another 500 give him LT ? Or should he have just not paid her in room and then settled at end of night ?
If it is ok with all involved, it seems to me like a reasonable mid-evening outing - kind of a test drive.
Interested to hear comments regarding appropriateness / advise. Thanks in advance.
D23
1) is this ok - ie) cool woith girls - and KTV buddies ?
---It's okay with the girls. If it's your buddies, it should be okay, just give them the heads up. But it does matter how big the party is. If it's just you and your bro, well that would kind of suck. But if its you and 3 other bros, then not so bad. You know what I mean?
2) if he took first girl back home would he then have to pay her another 500 for ST or would another 500 give him LT ?
---If it's 2-5-8, all he needs to do is give the girl another 300 so he can do round 2, ie LT. But like BobBuilder said, he should not pay her anything, until he wants her to leave.
Or should he have just not paid her in room and then settled at end of night ?
---Settle at end of the night gives more power to the people. :)
Dan / Bob - - thanks for the feedback - it is certainly appreciated.
Any recent news on the Clipper incident ?
I have checked online news and haven't seen anything. Hoping it didn't / won't cause a subsequent s**tstorm.
Thanks
D23
Ready Rover
08-26-10, 03:38
Dan / Bob - - thanks for the feedback - it is certainly appreciated.
Any recent news on the Clipper incident ?
I have checked online news and haven't seen anything. Hoping it didn't / won't cause a subsequent s**tstorm.
Thanks,
D23Hi,
I stayed at the Clipper a couple of days after the incident, and saw no signs of a s**tstorm. The footie girl insisted on coming to my room after 2 hours of clean footwork. That was a disaster, but nothing to do with LE.
Dan Hawaii
08-26-10, 03:39
Checked out of the Clipper today. Dave relocated us to the newly renovated Virgin Hotel. Not sure how newly renovated I'm talking about, but looks pretty good. Actually looks better/newer than the Clipper hotel and we are on the main drag. But the morning breakfast sucks.
Anyways, went to the Manhattan KTV, line up is small, maybe 150 girls, only single level. I thought was suppose to be on 2 levels??? Oh well, what they lacked in quantity, they surely made up in attitude. What can I say, was good fun, everyone got super wasted, so wasted, that the bill was 750 each. Damn, that's got to be a record high. I think the girls are disciplined there better than other KTVs. I don't recall them carrying any cell phones. One of my friends kept his girl for 3 days straight, and counting. I kept mines for 2 days, but the 2nd day was horrors!! Don't want to get into details, just makes me mad just thinking about it, hahaha. Damn Biatch. But I really think she was a squirter. For real! But not the kind of squirting like you see in the porn movies, but it did was damn wet.
Dan Hawaii
08-26-10, 03:45
So Dave set up date with horror story girl from Manhattan KTV, she came late, like 8pm. Went to LA Bar, she was texting all night. But on a side note, LA Bar was fun. They have a live band that plays there for 1 hour or so, then they leave. They play American music and the seats and atmosphere is more relaxing than California Red. I would recommend LA Bar for a relaxing "Date Night" with the pose. It seemed like LA Bar was more expensive than California Red. Because CA Red offers buy 12 get 6 free, on certain brands of beer. I think LA Bar is buy 36 get 12 free.
Dan Hawaii
08-26-10, 03:55
went to penn ktv and the line up starts at 6pm, freaking early. there is a good selection of girls here, 2-5-8, 3-6-9, and 4-8-12. crazy!!! seen them all, and the models are just taller, not prettier. kind of uglier if you ask me.
oh well, i sat 3 girls, 2 of them spoke good english, but one could not go out. one of the english speaking one could speak really good englsih, so good that she was cutting down my friend in english. like he was baffled and speechless. was unreal. the non english speaking one was drinking like a fish and tore me up in bullshit dice, i was wasted by 8:30pm. it was so funny, i was teaching the english speaking girls all the bad words, phrases, and slang. it was nice to talk and joke around with the girls. over all great fun night. thanks for the party dave.
I'll be stayin at Eurasia.
Is that one any good?
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