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Just Seven
08-26-10, 11:06
Hey Dan Hawaii,
Thanks for the great trip reports. I am still waiting to see BSDs ad before heading down for some CP fun. Sounds like you had a great time.
A WG gal doc sat became my regular for a few days. She was fun in KTV rooms and in bed so I liked her. She kinda liked me too as she came over after her sittings or ST or LTs with other customers. Plus, she'd refuse to let me go to other KTVs to sit girls. She was by my side for several KTV outings. But it's a drag as days go on as I can't pick new girls or party with DHawaii Jett and MITfoLife to the max. Kinda sucks to have a jealous
WG by my side, but at least she's fun in the KTV room as she plays with other guys and livens the room with her perky attitude.
Went to Nancheng for shopping and spent less than 500 rmb on various clothes for her. The ride to and from was around 120 rmb eachway by private car. But as the saying goes, there's no such thing as freebies when sex is involved. Paying for her gifts, dinners, etc. is just as much as paying for her services straight up.
Manhattan with DHawaii and crew was pretty insane. Felt several gals were "free for all" meaning all guys were able to play with her. A lot of fun as guys and girls were looser and a lot more movement in the KTV room made it fun every minute. DHawaii drunk and getting abused by every girl was hilarious.
Peninsula was fun for some, but less so for others. I usually have an easy time picking, but have a hard time having fun with her in the room. For some reason, I can't seem to "want" to take a Peninsula girl home. But to each his own.
I still think KTVs are fun no matter where you go as long as the group plays well together and everyone enjoys the atmosphere. Everyone picking two girls helps...and so does a little alcohol. Parties with ISG brothers and BSD rocks but I now feel having a gal pal for several days is a fukin buzzkill in a fun place with great friends.
Cunning Linguist
08-27-10, 09:56
I must say that CP really has been a mind-blowing experience!!!!
Thanks to Big Swinging Dave, I landed in CP safe and sound ... and in style. For those of you who have never been there, suffice it to say that it is a combination of Nana Plaza (well, sort of), Shanghai, and bit of a mini Asian Vegas (at night at least) though a few choice parts of CP remind me of small town Thailand or parts of Phnom Penh (it is that rundown).
Big Swinging Dave can set you up for anything at hotels, saunas, KTVs, even Chinese lessons. He is definitely an all-terrain go-getter. He set me up at a hotel for a great price, including breakfast, something which I noticed is not so common in big cities (e.g. Shanghai and Beijing), at least in my limited experience.
I had read about KTV's (pronounced Ke tee wee by the locals) but had never experienced such a thing. It was an eye-opening experience. For those of you who are KTV veterans, please forgive my brief experience for those newbies. For those of you who have never been to one, suffice it to say that it is akin to renting a room in a relatively upscale hotel. You go into an elaborately decorated room and sit on some lush chairs in anticipation of something to happen. Then they bring in a lineup of girls and ask us men sitting around to choose. There are girls of all shapes and sizes ... and dispositions. After a few minutes, more girls are led in. Then more. Then more. Each guy chooses two girls, one he likes and hopefully he wants to mate with and another girl who can be best described as runnerup, a kind of understudy who just might step in just in case your first choice bails out. Some guys choose three, even four. However, there is a sitting fee for each girl and so the more girls, the more expensive (usually 200 RMB).
One caveat. I am practically one of the very, very few Caucasian types around at the moment. (and no Blacks) Some Chinese girls are afraid of foreigners either because they are fresh off the farm and have never see one, because they are racist, or because they are scared of monster dongs. Another note of caution is that very few indeed can carry on a conversation in English beyond How are you and Hello! If you know some Mandarin, you are in luck though you will have to get used to their special, weird accent which is often quite different from the official Beijing Putonghua. Big Swinging Dave, however, does take care of non-Chinese speaking guys but it will cost. Very much worth it if you can't carry on a conversation in Mandarin. All the guys I have hung out with are of Asian origin and some speak Mandarin to various degrees of fluency ranging from perfect to a Cantonse-Mandarin mishmash.
The night went on. Beer bottles were brought out in abundance, food brought out, and Karaoke blaring with a Chinese TV channel alongside. Meanwhile, people played dice and generally had fun. I had two honeys and they seemed to be instant girlfriends. OK. It was an illusion, but, woo, what a nice one. I am polite to a fault but some guys take to fondle their honeys in interesting ways. While they were fondling, my honeys convinced me to buy some mooncakes. A sucker is born every minute. Big Swinging Dave told me not to make that mistake again as it puts pressure on the other guys to follow suit.
Eventually, my understudy honey asked to go and so, as I found out, I was to pay her 200 RMB. I really liked my honey. The fee for the KTV was 2-5-8, meaning, 200 for the sitting fee (runner up), 500 for first choice for a pop, 800 for all night. The 500 and 800 include the sitting fee. We got home and she suddenly became worried about my dong. When she saw it, she feigned shock, nay, horror. She did not wanted to be kissed, fondling her was an exercise in tickling, and DATY was absolutely out of the question. Thus, there was no way to stimulate her and, unsurprisingly, she did not juice up. Essentially, my fling with her was reduced to a HJ and voyeurism. She explained that Chinese dicks were small. I asked her (she speaks no English and so this is why speaking Chinese is so important with the girls) if Chinese dicks were in fact, pencil dicks. I was just kidding but she seriously replied that was the case ... with enthusiasm
She exaggerated but here size does seem to matter ... negatively. I am just a normal guy but here I am well-hung, generously endowed. I am John Holmes' bigger brother. My member is bigger than any linga of Shiva's, bigger than King Kong's granddaddy. I am Dickus Maximus in the land of Dickus Minimus. This, of course, is pure bullshit but that is what they keep telling up Caucasians (I don't want to even think what they tell those of African descent).
Enter Bruce Tea. He is as nice as nice as can be. He showed me around the (in)famous barber shops (BBS) and gave me survival instructions: only go to the places that you know and don't base them on the mamasan, just the places. If you veer off course, some nasty things might befall you. I was too weirded out the day after my KTV honey as I had lost confidence. I girded up my loins and went to a BBS that Bruce Tea had shown me. I took a girl named Wanghong. She is exactly my type: very thin and feminine though her voice is much less so. Oh well. For just 200 RMB, I had her. She took my schlong like a champ despite her petite stature.
I really like Chinese pussies: their public hair is long and silky, their inner labia dark-coloured,, and their vaginal orifices are very tight.
Tonight, there will be another KTV party though I will not go to many since they represent a significant outlay of money. Nevertheless, they provide priceless opportunities to speak Chinese and so, I look on them as a pleasant means to an end.
All in all, CP is a very different mongering experience indeed. I can say that I have done a lot of interesting places such as Haiti, DR, Cambodia, Laos (though I have get to go to Brazil and the Philippines though I doubt I ever will for mongering purposes at least) but CP, and Haiti, are by far the most unique places for our hobby.
an additonal note on BBSs and safety,
A few weeks ago, I met an American who's tall and pretty muscular. The guy just looks like a cowboy with big everything. Not someone who'd asians would want to mess with based on his physical stature, but also more fearsome to the females. In any case, getting to know him quickly gave the KTV gals less concern and he still got his share of nightly companionship. But that's what KTVs are for, getting to know eachother better before deciding on spending money on further activities.
Another thing about this guy is that he's been traveling all over the world for a long time. He's adventurous and pretty curious on everything. Thus, walking down a street, he's inclined to veer off and try something new. Now, we were heading to the BBS behind Hui Mei and since it was pretty late, the BBSs were near closing. With only one girl available, he decided to pass (she was petite and pretty willing to go with him). But the mommie told us of another place, so we went. It was in an apartment complex. I told him of the potential dangers, but he wanted to try it out. As he saw that I was reluctant, he went in, and said it was ok for me to stay outside. He went in, followed upstairs, looked, told me he saw 3 girls (none ok looking), and left.
Now, it's not the looks of the girls or the quantity, but it's the following of someone you don't know at all into an apartment complex (or whatever) that makes me hesitant in finding new places. Even though the guy is physically intimidating, he is a foreigner and he lacks the language survival skills. But he IS curious and unafraid to try new things and for that time, it worked out ok.
The guy is on ISG, but i don't know his handle.
The BBS behind HM is pretty good in quality and quantity these days but as SEAJ mentioned in the early reports, it is now 200 rmb for ST. The apt complex is a block further where PP KTV and a Hong Kong resturant is at. No idea what floor or how to get there but I'd advise not to go there on your own.
'Rainout'
ManonsanBoy
08-28-10, 07:29
I must say that CP really has been a mind-blowing experience!!!!
She exaggerated but here size does seem to matter ... negatively. I am just a normal guy but here I am well-hung, generously endowed. I am John Holmes' bigger brother. .
It is a trick to get out of being f**ked. You should have insisted. Chinese cocks are not that much smaller than others (although smaller than John Holms). You were had.
Francois75
08-28-10, 22:01
No idea what floor or how to get there but I'd advise not to go there on your own.
'Rainout'10th floor, building between Lucky hotel and PP KTV, sometimes 10 girls, sometimes 2/3. But no problem.
Cunning Linguist
08-29-10, 11:29
It is a trick to get out of being f**ked. You should have insisted. Chinese cocks are not that much smaller than others (although smaller than John Holms). You were had.
I believe that you are absolutely right. In any case, I have discovered the wonders of lubricant (runhuaye 润滑液). It certainly has solved all my Dickus Maximus problems. Whoever invented that should have gotten the Nobel Peace prize.
Cunning Linguist
08-30-10, 02:07
Anyone who reads this thread has probably mentioned or even explained what a Flower Street is. Nevertheless, having experienced one, I thought that I would try to convey what it is like to those who have never been to one ... or to allow veterans to smile in recognition.
Big Swinging Dave told me to show up at the Fuhan KTV at an early 6:30 but the guys I went with wanted to go early. They were a couple of guys from Hong Kong who knew the ropes. It is amazing to walk through the opulent doors to be greeted by beautiful girls lined up an each side, smiling at you. We went up the luxurious stairs and I followed my friends who told me the trick is to see what is available before they actually come down. In each room, there was a bevy of sweet young things with their mamasans pushing this or that one on you before you know it. I have not seen a Caucasian for quite some time now and so I feel extremely conspicuous to say the least. As soon as the mamasans see me, they start gabbling in barely intelligible Pidgin English extolling the quality of wares: She veli good. You take? At times, I get so overwhelmed by their hard-sell and confused by their confusing sales pitch that I just answer back in French ... or Portuguese ... or whatever. That usually shuts them up and then they switch, to my relief, to Chinese which really is more understandable their their mixed up attempts at English.
After a while, we had been in several rooms, inspecting the "wares" and fending off mamasan attacks. Then, we made our way downstairs for the Flower Show, the flowers, of course, being the girls. Imagine that you are in a place where it is "High School Musical Land" and you are one of the students with the big difference that all of the foxy girls are potentially available and all you have to do is to say: I'll take you. There were literally hundreds of girls for all tastes and penchants. Imagine that cheerleader that you had always lusted after but you were not a stud enough to even get noticed. At a Flower Show, every guy is a stud. I saw some absolute drop-dead gorgeous girls in the model section. Wow. It is something else, I mean some guys would die for this (like the nuts who blow themselves up for 70 virgins in paradise) and yet here the knockouts are, beckoning you to pick them.
Once again, not knowing Chinese is a huge disadvantage here as hardly any of them can carry on a conversation in English. This is one reason, I am told, why they are reluctant to go with foreigners. I saw one girl and my instinct, or little head, told me to go for her. When she first saw me, she hesitated. There was a lot of noise in the crowded area and my Hong Kong friends were between her and me. They assured her that I spoke Mandarin well enough and told her to room where we would be. To my surprise, she actually showed up. She is exactly the kind of girl I like: very, very slim with a shy demure. She seemed to like me and we hit it off from the start. Eventually, we went home early as she really wanted to get out of there.
Since then, she has been with me and we have made an agreement for the rest of the time I am here. Big Swinging Dave says that I am a total idiot for doing this but I am hoping for the best. I am here for learning Chinese, first and foremost, mongering/sex is just the frosting on the cake. I have been learning a lot from her and there is no better language teacher than a girlfriend, even a rented one. Time will tell whether I am an oaf or a genius. I discovered that she is incredibly lazy, loves to watch TV, and at first started to pull the "your-dong-is-too-big-for-me" trick. A combination of a veiled threat (no honey(pot), no money) and lubricant have solved that problem.
Anyone who reads this thread has probably mentioned or even explained what a Flower Street is. Nevertheless, having experienced one, I thought that I would try to convey what it is like to those who have never been to one ... or to allow veterans to smile in recognition.
...... It is something else, I mean some guys would die for this (like the nuts who blow themselves up for 70 virgins in paradise) and yet here the knockouts are, beckoning you to pick them.If those muslim guys realize a place like CP/DG, they will realize that they do not need to blow themselves up hoping to go to paradise. Paradise is here alive and kicking.
Reading the posts 15 pages back kind of giving me idea that 3days would not be enough.
Any recommendation for bars/pubs?
Reading the posts 15 pages back kind of giving me idea that 3days would not be enough.
Any recommendation for bars/pubs?
3 days should be fine. Your earlier post have u staying at Eurasia. It's one of the classier hotels in all of CP, so you'll be pampered with the great looking lobby and comfy rooms. It's pricier, but compared to similar rooms in the West, it's a great deal.
Eurasia IS in the middle of nowhere, so you'd need to cab it to the heart of town where everything is at.
I don't think there are many bars/pubs you're familiar with, but there is LA BAR which has a big sign and in front of the Miraton Hotel (another major hotel in CP). LA BAR plays English music and has a band, but when I was there, didn't have many females hanging out there. Perhaps staying at Miraton or Hui Hua would put you right in the heart of the city, if that's what you want. Another pub/bar is California Red which is in Swan Lake Road in front of Manhattan Hotel. But California Red is more geared toward those who can speak and understand Chinese.
Member #4144
09-02-10, 03:23
Reading the posts 15 pages back kind of giving me idea that 3days would not be enough.
Any recommendation for bars/pubs?
Both Guangzhou and Shenzhen have great bars, and both just 40 min by train from CP. Given the time, you can score some freebies at bars. Many office ladies in GZ/SZ go to bars after work to speak to foreigners to practice their English and some are eager to try something else foreign besides the language.
F.
Cunning Linguist
09-02-10, 17:43
One thing that I can say about CP, it is a veritable man's world. There are babes everywhere, most of whom are doable. The question most of the time is being at the right place: Either at a KTV or a BBS. There is no soliciting in the streets Nana Park style. If there is any soliciting, it is done by the "mami"s (mamasan in Chinese) who offer to take you to their BBS. In CP, You can have as many girls as your gonads and pocketbook will allow you. At 200 RMB, it is a real bargain. Cheaper than anywhere I have been, including Haiti at times.
I have become accustomed to going downstairs, I walk 20 feet and a familiar mami comes up to me and plies her "wares". Were it not for Bruce Tea, I never would have even considered doing such a thing. Thanks Bruce!!! Going inside a BBS is a rather nerve-wracking experience. The mami opens a heavily locked steel door, and you go inside a kind of garage. Creepy. You then go through another heavily fortified steel door and then there are the girls, sitting around, waiting for the mami to foist them on a customer with the hardest of hard-sell tactics. They bring the confused girls over, extoll their various virtues (breasts, their BJ skills, etc.). Indeed, they even go as far as uncover the breast at times to show you a pink nipple, something which seems to be highly prized here.
Then, if you decide, you pick a girl and out you go. As I have repeated many a time in previous posts, this all takes place in Chinese and so if you can't carry on a conversation, you would need Big Swinging Dave to interpret for you.
Today, some girls refused to even consider me. One, however, did take a "risk" and went with me. She told me the girls were concerned about my penile projection and a new thing: an alleged, and much feared, ever-enduring stamina. Her very words were 你做爱能做多久时间? Translation: How long can you make love? That is to say, what is your stamina? She told me the girls had had some bad experiences with Laowai types who were not so very nice and who probably took prodigious quantities of Viagra. They were able to drill them for hours. I recall another guy posted on this thread that the girls watch western porn and get the idea that our dongs are not only huge but constantly erect and never stop pumping. I assured her that I was neither John Holmsian nor a guy with an uncontrollable bionic dic. Needless to say, she thought that I lived up to my promises and told me she would tell her colleagues that I am a nice guy, not a crazy "lihai" guy (lihai can translate either as awesome, skillful, or terrible) God, I love China.
3 days should be fine. Your earlier post have u staying at Eurasia. It's one of the classier hotels in all of CP, so you'll be pampered with the great looking lobby and comfy rooms. It's pricier, but compared to similar rooms in the West, it's a great deal.
Eurasia IS in the middle of nowhere, so you'd need to cab it to the heart of town where everything is at.
I don't think there are many bars/pubs you're familiar with, but there is LA BAR which has a big sign and in front of the Miraton Hotel (another major hotel in CP). LA BAR plays English music and has a band, but when I was there, didn't have many females hanging out there. Perhaps staying at Miraton or Hui Hua would put you right in the heart of the city, if that's what you want. Another pub/bar is California Red which is in Swan Lake Road in front of Manhattan Hotel. But California Red is more geared toward those who can speak and understand Chinese.Thanks for the heads up. Isn't there any KTV or sauna in the hotel? I got no clue about the area so I just book the hotel based on my instinct and the "stars". Well, it should not be that hard to hail a cab to the city right?
I will definitely try out that california red.
Woot. I'm so AMP'd up already.
Both Guangzhou and Shenzhen have great bars, and both just 40 min by train from CP. Given the time, you can score some freebies at bars. Many office ladies in GZ/SZ go to bars after work to speak to foreigners to practice their English and some are eager to try something else foreign besides the language.
F.Fill, I'll go down Guangzhou after CP. Any recommended places to hang out?
Sweet. I love China already.
Just Relax
09-03-10, 00:31
One thing that I can say about CP, it is a veritable man's world....God, I love China.Guys, thank you for all the good information. I'm new to China but loving it so far. This site has been a gold mine of great, usuable information.
Although I did RTFF (not all of it, but a lot!) and the list abbreviations and a map, I wasn't able to figure out what "CP" stands for.
Bob Builder
09-03-10, 01:08
One thing that I can say about CP, it is a veritable man's world. There are babes everywhere, most of whom are doable. The question most of the time is being at the right place: Either at a KTV or a BBS. There is no soliciting in the streets Nana Park style. If there is any soliciting, it is done by the "mami"s (mamasan in Chinese) who offer to take you to their BBS. In CP, You can have as many girls as your gonads and pocketbook will allow you. At 200 RMB, it is a real bargain. Cheaper than anywhere I have been, including Haiti at times.
I have become accustomed to going downstairs, I walk 20 feet and a familiar mami comes up to me and plies her "wares". Were it not for Bruce Tea, I never would have even considered doing such a thing. Thanks Bruce!!! Going inside a BBS is a rather nerve-wracking experience. The mami opens a heavily locked steel door, and you go inside a kind of garage. Creepy. You then go through another heavily fortified steel door and then there are the girls, sitting around, waiting for the mami to foist them on a customer with the hardest of hard-sell tactics. They bring the confused girls over, extoll their various virtues (breasts, their BJ skills, etc.). Indeed, they even go as far as uncover the breast at times to show you a pink nipple, something which seems to be highly prized here.
Then, if you decide, you pick a girl and out you go. As I have repeated many a time in previous posts, this all takes place in Chinese and so if you can't carry on a conversation, you would need Big Swinging Dave to interpret for you.
Today, some girls refused to even consider me. One, however, did take a "risk" and went with me. She told me the girls were concerned about my penile projection and a new thing: an alleged, and much feared, ever-enduring stamina. Her very words were 你做爱能做多久时间? Translation: How long can you make love? That is to say, what is your stamina? She told me the girls had had some bad experiences with Laowai types who were not so very nice and who probably took prodigious quantities of Viagra. They were able to drill them for hours. I recall another guy posted on this thread that the girls watch western porn and get the idea that our dongs are not only huge but constantly erect and never stop pumping. I assured her that I was neither John Holmsian nor a guy with an uncontrollable bionic dic. Needless to say, she thought that I lived up to my promises and told me she would tell her colleagues that I am a nice guy, not a crazy "lihai" guy (lihai can translate either as awesome, skillful, or terrible) God, I love China.
To a lazy Chinese WG, anyone who lasts over 3 minutes is lihai. Most don't like any type of foreplay, only give enough BJ to get you semi-hard, on goes the glove and sprint to the finish. That's why popular gals can easily do 10 guys a day because the total time of intercourse may just be over 30 minutes. I have stood outside a BBS and seen guys in and out in 15 minutes. That includes the time to walk up the stairs to the apartment, take 2 showers and do the gal.
Currently it sounds like everything is running without a hitch in DG, however there is a general pattern in DG (or China) of massive crackdowns right before a major event. Keeping in mind that the Asian games are held nearby in Guangzhou starting in November. Anybody have any information of establishments or cities that are being affected?
Jettsetter
09-03-10, 06:47
Reading the posts 15 pages back kind of giving me idea that 3days would not be enough.
Any recommendation for bars/pubs?
My best recommendation is to try to make contact with BSD.. I'd say, just PM us, but you don't have PM, so I think you should check in the classifieds to see if BSD has posted his details for you to contact him.
When you connect with the brothers here, your experience will be completely different from trying to venture the area just on your own... trust me...it's night and day.
I have a blast meeting all the cool guys here.
-Jett
Cunning Linguist
09-04-10, 01:40
This place never ceases to amaze me, especially the womenfolk. Yesterday, I went to the Manhatten KTV. I thought that there was going to be a "flower street" at 6:15. However, it was to be held at 7:00. In the meantime, I just rambled about on the 5 floor and eventually headed up to the sixth.
Finally, the flower street started. It was by far smaller than the one at Fuhao but as I was one of the first, the odds were very, very good. There are about 50-60 girls and just three men at the beginning. As usual, I seemed to stick out. Duh. The only Laowai. They didn't hassle the other two guys with me for some reason but the mamis started plying their "wares". I spotted a couple of very cute girls to my liking. As I was making my rounds, suddenly, a whole bevy of horny guys from Taiwan strolled in and my odds of landing a really pretty one seemed to plunge as the number of Taiwanese started to shoot up. I glanced at this one girl and the mami offered me to her. I accepted but then they started speaking Chinese at a fast clip and not necessarily the kind of Chinese that I understand (i.e. wonderfully pronounced Beijing standard Mandarin, complete with articulately pronounced retroflex affricates and fricatives, i.e. sh, zh, ch, etc.). Really, when you want to communicate with somebody effectively, you slow down, you articulate, and you say the sentences in the simplest possible way. Many monolingual people are simply unable to do this in any language.
Anyway, things got straightened out and the girl was actually waiting for me in in the room. There, my buddies were lounging though I forget their handles save for one, Meiguoguizi who is a Laowai who speaks Mandarin quite well. The usual routine of a KTV party ensued: drinking, playing dice, singing karaoke. I was a bit concerned at my girl who is from Sichuan but wise Meiguoguizi reassured me that Sichuan girls put up a hard-to-get front as a part of the act. Despite the initial language difficulties, we had very few problems communicating save for a couple of snags.
Eventually, as it got late, the time to pop the question came: will you go with me to my hotel? Only this time she beat me to it by asking some odd questions. As they were important, I really wanted to get all the nuaces which I failed to get from her Sichuan accent. She then wrote them on her cell phone. I read Chinese characters better than I understand non-standard Mandarin which every Chinese thinks is strange. Her question was: What do you want me to do tonight? I replied: accompany me (陪我 pei wo). She went on to ask "what will we do there?" She could see that I was shocked at her question....really, what was I supposed to say, "I wanna screw your brains out?", "Let's discuss the Uganda situation?" She then asked if I expected her to be with me in bed? That was a shockingly easy question to answer. Then she laid it on me: She had heard that Laowais were big -- I mean BIG -- and very lihai for which she was scared out of her wits. Oh boy, yet another big－dick－insanely long－endurance situation to explain my way out of. I replied that she was under no obligation to come with me. If she was uncomfortable, I was uncomfortable. I told her that I am very, very 礼貌 limao (courteous) and caring. She seemed to be quite relieved after that.
Eventually, the party was over and we had a bit of dinner. She was correct in her behaviour at the table but clearly worried. I was thinking, "how do I get myself in these situations?" After she entered my hotel room, she still seemed apprehensive. She asked me if the police might burst into the room and arrest us for not being married. WTF? immediately came to mind but I calmly explained there was no problem of that.
She texted friends and looked at my computer while I showered. Then she showered and when she came out, she looked even more flummoxed. She told me once again that she was really frightened. I assured her that she could go home any time she wanted and that I would not force myself on her in any way, shape , or form. I asked her, half jokingly, if she was a virgin to which she said no. Then, what is the problem?, I exclaimed in exasperation.
Then she asked me how many times we were going to do it. 几次 ji ci . I told her, well, once now, and in the morning perhaps. She then pleaded for once. I gave in. Suddenly, she was relaxed and opened herself up in every possible sense. Needless to say, she realized the myth of the Western monster dong is just that. Morever, as she really liked DATY, proper and enjoyable copulation was a cinch since she was fully aroused. Indeed, no arousal means that anything larger than a teeny weeny pencil dick is much too much for any girl, anywhere. It was a tremendously good session as she really got into it. The gentle persuasion and calm demeanour on my part trumped the awful White guy rumours that were dancing in her little head. Let that be a lesson to all.
After that, she asked me to call her. I joked to her that she had been scared of nothing and she smiled. Oh, Chinese girls, they will eventually learn.
Big Swinging Dave can set you up for anything at hotels, saunas, KTVs, even Chinese lessons. I have just begun studying Mandarin Chinese, and think it'd be fun to combine studies with the hobby. I usually go to Thailand, and I have a trip coming up towards the end of November. I'm thinking of Chang Ping or Chang Am for this dual-purposed trip. So, my question is, have any of you gentlemen taken Mandarin Chinese language lessons whilst hobbying? Also, what is more prevalently spoken in this area - Mandarin or Cantonese?
Thanks,
LM
...Oh, Chinese girls, they will eventually learn.A very nice one. Well done. The only problem is that there are way too many of them to teach them all.
Anyone who reads this thread has probably mentioned or even explained what a Flower Street is. Nevertheless, having experienced one, I thought that I would try to convey what it is like to those who have never been to one ... or to allow veterans to smile in recognition.
... At times, I get so overwhelmed by their hard-sell and confused by their confusing sales pitch that I just answer back in French ... or Portuguese ...
Then, we made our way downstairs for the Flower Show, the flowers, of course, being the girls...Special thanks to Cunning Linguist, I love reading your posts that are so clear and generous.
I am Chinese-born French, I don't speak fluent English but I now understand what a flower street is.
PS: Can you speak French?
Guys, thank you for all the good information. I'm new to China but loving it so far. This site has been a gold mine of great, usuable information.
Although I did RTFF (not all of it, but a lot!) and the list abbreviations and a map, I wasn't able to figure out what "CP" stands for.Changping district in the city of Dongguan, about midway between Guangzhou (Canton) and Shenzhen, in Guangdong Province.
Dongguan Railway Station is also located in Changping.
CP= ChangPing
DG= DongGuan
GZ= GuangZhou
I have just begun studying Mandarin Chinese, and think it'd be fun to combine studies with the hobby. I usually go to Thailand, and I have a trip coming up towards the end of November. I'm thinking of Chang Ping or Chang Am for this dual-purposed trip. So, my question is, have any of you gentlemen taken Mandarin Chinese language lessons whilst hobbying? Also, what is more prevalently spoken in this area - Mandarin or Cantonese?
Thanks,LMIn China all Chinese understand and speak Mandarin, Mandarin is the official language in China.
At Chang Ping and Chang An, I spoke Mandarin basic, over many Chinese who live there come from other regions and do not speak Cantonese, a dialect of Guangdong Province and Hong Kong.
Member #3429
09-05-10, 07:56
Here's my ten cent's worth. Some might disagree but I am sure they have their reasons.
Almost all KTV prices are about the same. (same in prices) Almost all KTV's offer unlimited drinks for a fix price. For example. Fuhao, EuroAsia, Mayflower(which is closed now) The one across from Mayflower, TaoYuan I think. and the likes charges around 100 to 150RMB per person for all you can drink Red or White Wine. Red wine is usually a little one upper side.
Now there is of course a room charge as well. Rooms can run from 300RMB for a group of 4 to 800 fro a group of 10-12 guys plus their 10 or so girl companions. That's the rate for an average person booking the room. If someone in town who has good contacts can get these rooms at a 50% discount usually. Specially if you have booked with them before.
Its usually best to go in groups. I read online that there is some guy name Dave who is arranging groups. That's great. I don't know who much he charges but I am sure its around 200 to 300RMB per person for KTV and drinking. Its good business. If he charges around 200, he is making 15 to 20 percent profit, if he is charging around 300RMB, he is making 40 to 50 % profit.
There are lots of dealers in town who does the arranging of groups. I am surprise to see only one name in this board.
People who organize groups are called dealers in CP. There are about 10 to 15 dealers usually hanging out at Lucky Hotel, Room 508. Usually if you are single, or in a small group, and want to join other people, just go there or if you have been there already, phone one of the dealers and they will set you up with a group at almost any location you want. They usually have a KTV room at almost all KTV, speically on Thursday, Fridays and Saturday's.
I have personally used their services many times as I don't like going to KTV with just one or two people.
Their rate is 250 for White wine drinkers and 300 for Red wine drinkers. All you can drink. They make about 30% or so profit off of this price. But its worth paying if you are looking for company. And if you book directly with KTV, they might end up charging you the same anyways unless if you have been there a few times already and have built a relationship with one of the managers.
If you have dealt with Lucky508 dealers a few times, usually they give you a discount.
If you bring a GIRL with you to one of the KTV rooms, the charge is 50RMB extra for the girl drinking the wines.
If you like drinking beer, make sure to mentions it before hand as they need to put you in a group where only beer is served as wine rooms don't serve beer and vice versa.
Now that's all for KTV report. I will put a few more reports on BBS, SPA's and Massages later.
As I am a new member here and planning on a long stay, I though it would be good to share my experience.
I don't have a private messaging service yet but will get it shortly.
Take care you all and look forward to hearing back your comments.
Di Stream.
Cunning Linguist
09-05-10, 08:46
I have just begun studying Mandarin Chinese, and think it'd be fun to combine studies with the hobby. I usually go to Thailand, and I have a trip coming up towards the end of November. I'm thinking of Chang Ping or Chang Am for this dual-purposed trip. So, my question is, have any of you gentlemen taken Mandarin Chinese language lessons whilst hobbying? Also, what is more prevalently spoken in this area - Mandarin or Cantonese?
Thanks,
LM
I have the very experience you mention. I am having private lessons. As for which Chinese, Mandarin wins hands down here. There are tons of immigrants from other areas of China who communicate with each other only in Mandarin or at least their version of it. In cities, Mandarin is THE language of intercommunication. Cantonese seems to have been reduced to the very small towns (but Hong Kong and Macau are strange exceptions on account of history)
I read online that there is some guy name Dave who is arranging groups. ... I don't know who much he charges but I am sure its around 200 to 300RMB per person for KTV and drinking. Its good business.
How sure of this are you?
People who organize groups are called dealers in CP. There are about 10 to 15 dealers usually hanging out at Lucky Hotel, Room 508.
Never have I heard of "dealers" but I have heard of "tour guides" or something as such. Anyhow...
I have personally used their services many times as I don't like going to KTV with just one or two people....
If you have dealt with Lucky508 dealers a few times, usually they give you a discount. ...
As I am a new member here and planning on a long stay, I though it would be good to share my experience.
Ah, defame one person to promote another. How about sharing stories, testimonials, results, etc. etc. instead of just using your first couple posts as a hit and run on a ISGer?
Although your information is good (if it is accurate), your Entrance to these forum (and ISG) has a lot to do with pricing and services provided to others, and of course, how u and the service you're using is better (how so now??).
In any case, stick around and share your stories, adventures, great deals, fun romps, insider secrets, or whatever you'd care to contribute to the ISG forum. We're down with that.
Robin Mill
09-05-10, 10:32
Its usually best to go in groups. I read online that there is some guy name Dave who is arranging groups. That's great. I don't know who much he charges but I am sure its around 200 to 300RMB per person for KTV and drinking. Its good business. If he charges around 200, he is making 15 to 20 percent profit, if he is charging around 300RMB, he is making 40 to 50 % profit.
Hi Di Stream
I have to disagreed with some of your points. DongGuan is not CP, as CP is a small town in the bigger DongGuan. DongGuan has other cities where you can monger as well.
As for the charges, I think we call these 'dealers' tour guide instead. To me, dealers sound like someone you met in the casino, no? And as far as I know, after being in and out of China for a few years, there is no all you can drink thingy from the KTV. The 'dealer' may be able to offer some package like this, but definately not the KTV.
As for Dave, as far as I know, he does not make a cut like other 'dealers'. I believe he has some small kickbacks from the KTV itself. Thus, it is wrong for you to say that he can make a 30% or something. And the sole reason that he has always being mentioned in this board?
He HELP us with the intention of making friends and keeping us all happy!
(Note that I use HELP)
In China all Chinese understand and speak Mandarin, Mandarin is the official language in China.
At Chang Ping and Chang An, I spoke Mandarin basic, over many Chinese who live there come from other regions and do not speak Cantonese, a dialect of Guangdong Province and Hong Kong.
I have the very experience you mention. I am having private lessons. As for which Chinese, Mandarin wins hands down here. Thank you for these very helpful replies. I will do some research on Mandarin study programs in DG, and will make a decision over the next couple of weeks. Any further recommendations on finding a language study program are appreciated.
Thanks again,
LM
I've been here almost 2 weeks. There are still lots of girls, but I feel the overall business has been getting worse over the last year. The only KTVs with quality girls are Fuhao, Eurasia, Mayflower/Taoyuan, and Peninsula. Forget Manhattan, Lihao, Virgin, California Red, or any of the other small KTVs. It's just a numbers game and they don't have the numbers. Contact Dave if your coming, if only to make some new friends. Learn basic Chinese, or you will be frustrated when you are sitting next to a beautiful woman and cannot communicate. I've met the Linguist, he's a great guy and an exceptionally fast language learner. Changping is not an easy place to monger, not like Angeles or Bangkok. IMHO everyone has to pay their share of learning tuition in this place, but in the long run it's worth it if you like Chinese girls. BTW, I have never heard of all you can drink wine for 200rmb. Where is this and do they have quality girls? I personally would pay more for quality, but then again I'm known for my high standards for girls. I just hope it will continue.
Chang Ping
09-06-10, 02:36
How sure of this are you?
Never have I heard of "dealers" but I have heard of "tour guides" or something as such. Anyhow.
Ah, defame one person to promote another. How about sharing stories, testimonials, results, etc. Etc. Instead of just using your first couple posts as a hit and run on a ISGer?
Although your information is good (if it is accurate), your Entrance to these forum (and ISG) has a lot to do with pricing and services provided to others, and of course, how you and the service you're using is better (how so now?).
In any case, stick around and share your stories, adventures, great deals, fun romps, insider secrets, or whatever you'd care to contribute to the ISG forum. We're down with that.Before I start off. I want to state that I do not personally know of Di Stream and know Dave as a personal friend.
Factually there are some truths to what Di Stream has provided as prices. Di has also already replied on how he could have better presented his information.
"Dealers", "tour guides", "agents", etc. Semantics. Choose which you prefer so that it does not offend any sensibilities. Yes there will be differences in some "value added" services, perceived or otherwise and that is to each his own. I prefer to engage or go with people I am familiar with all things being equal or not too far apart price wise but thats just me.
XGX, Go-fly, lucky, etc all offer these all you can drink packages and prevailing market price are 250 for local white liquor, 300 for red wine. For hard liquor ie whisky the price is almost double that but still a real bargain for heavy drinkers. These prices are all inclusive ie nett. No further tips required either for "agents" or DJs, mommies, etc. Anything else you want to give as appreciation or just to be a BSD are extras (I find using this term helpful to differentiate from required tips).
Note though that for theses sessions to take off, they will need to have a min group number of at least 4-5. You will need to check with them to find out more details. Please don't ask me for their contact information as:
1 I don't have it handy on me. And even if I had
2 I don't think its nice for me to post it on this board as they don't pay any dues to advertise here.
for all you can drink Red or White Wine.
Di Stream.
Uggh - All you can drink Chinese wine ?
The only thing that I can compare this to is a Buy-One-Get-One Free Sale on Chinese "Blazers".
LOL.
Cheers all.
Looking forward to my 10.22.10 visit for a week in La-La-Land.
D23.
Bob Builder
09-06-10, 09:53
Anyone in town?
Anyone in CP for the next two or three months and wants to party, you can find me at Lucky Hotel Room 508, every Friday and Sat evening, sometimes even on Thursdays, for the next two to three months. I am currently living in hong kong and come over every weekend.
And for those who are saying the price is not correct. You are welcome to come join us and if the bill happened to be more than 300 RMB for the whole evening for the KTV room and drinking, the extra is ON ME.
I look forward to meeting some of you, hopefully. I should have PM working within a week or so, so hopefully we will chat.
Take Care you all
Di Stream
Why don't you keep the advertisements where they belong in the Classified Ads section and while you are at it, what about adding one for a good doctor in CP for those who drink too much of those Chemical Cocktails they pass for red and white wine in CP, LOL!
Tintin1970
09-06-10, 17:53
If you don't trust the "fake" red or white wine. You can take the Tsingtao beer. 250rmb unlimted beer package from 1 of the agents in CP. So far I know 3 agents offering that in CP.
Cheers,
TinTin
I'm looking to get some suits tailored for me while in CP.
Does anybody have any info as to reputable shops? Prices? etc.. in CP
Lost
SE Asia Joe
09-08-10, 04:44
I'm looking to get some suits tailored for me while in CP.
Does anybody have any info as to reputable shops? Prices? etc.. in CP
Lost
Lost - CP is the wrong place to even try to get suits made - Cp specializes in getting guys out of suits - NOT making 'em!
Go to the Luohu Commercial Centre in Shenzhen next to the China-Hong Kong border where there are these places catering to Hong Kong guys wanting custom made suits done.
Bargain and bargain HARD!
SEAJ
She told me the girls were concerned about my penile projection and a new thing: an alleged, and much feared, ever-enduring stamina. Her very words were 你做爱能做多久时间? Translation: How long can you make love?
Needless to say, she thought that I lived up to my promises and told me she would tell her colleagues that I am a nice guy, not a crazy "lihai" guy (lihai can translate either as awesome, skillful, or terrible) God, I love China.
The problem is their 'long time' might not be yours. Perhaps you enjoy yourself and want to go 30 minutes taking your time.. alot of them want a 2-3 minute quickie and anything longer than 5 minutes is a long time. i infact know one ktv regular that told me that she only likes 5 minutes tops. she was honest about it. and a bbs girl that is all out of self-lubrication, unless you give her some well, then you are going 'too long'
What is fair price for a good suit in Luohu? That is the hard part of knowing. What the price should be. As 'fair value' is not a good measure of that.
Lost - CP is the wrong place to even try to get suits made - Cp specializes in getting guys out of suits - NOT making 'em!
Go to the Luohu Commercial Centre in Shenzhen next to the China-Hong Kong border where there are these places catering to Hong Kong guys wanting custom made suits done.
Bargain and bargain HARD!
SEAJThanks SEAJ, however I may still get them in CP for convenience, as I don't make it to the mainland often. It would be easier just to do it for the week I'm there for each fitting, and the final pick up (save the few extra trips to SZ).
If they operate anything like Thailand, individual shop orders are sent to a big factory that sews most of it anyways, no matter which outlet you order it from.
I know someone who got some custom suits made in ZhuHai, and paid around 80 USD for each suit (OK quality fabric) after negotiations. I've seen a shop in CP that advertises on its window 999 RMB for a suit and 2 shirts if I recall properly, but I didn't inquire further as to the fabric or quality of tailoring.
Member #3429
09-08-10, 08:33
I'm looking to get some suits tailored for me while in CP.
Does anybody have any info as to reputable shops? Prices? etc.. in CP
LostHey Lost,
The Average price for a custom made suit is around 500 RMB. Give or take a hundred depending on where you are making it. If you are making it closer to Hong Kong, places such as Shenzhen or close by the boarder, you are looking at around 550 to 600rmb. If you make it in Guangzhou, it will be around 400 to max of 525RMB.
This price of ofcouse includes the custom tailoring and the material.
Most places though would let you go find your own material and bring them the material to saw together. The material cost is usually from 20RMB per sqm to 60RMB per sqm. A regular guys suit takes about 2. 5 to 3Sqm depending on how total and wide you are.
The actual custom tailoring is usually 220 to 300 RMB, depending on how good your negotiations skills are.
Now to actually answer your question about finding a Tailor in CP. I am sure you can find a few. Just ask the hotel service desk, they will point you to the right direction. But its unwise to make it in CP as SEAJ mentioned, its a place to remove clothes, not put making them. Most likely the prices will be higher as well but not that much higher. In my personal opinion, the max, a custom made suit would cost in China is 700RMB, and that is with the best tailoring job, very detailed and with the best choice of material.
Plus in CP, you won't find that many choices in material and thread counts in materials as you would, say in Guangzhou or Shenzhen near the boarder.
I am in CP this weekend, if I see a tailor shop, I will definitely pick up a business card for you.
Take care,
Di Stream
Member #3429
09-08-10, 09:37
bbs: bbs is an interesting creature of the night- it can cost 150 to 200 dollars depending on your negotiation skills. remember to always negotiate your length of stay with the girl and how many rounds ahead of time.
any average bbs will charge 200rmb for two hours, single shot in goal. this is what i usually get: 4 hours, at least 3 shots-for 200rmb. the mamasan lady takes 100 rmb and that leaves the girl with 100rmb out of which she has to pay for the 10 to 20rmb to condoms and so forth.
its best not to jew down on price too much for bbs as it hurts the girls pricing and it will affect your service. i usually tell them that if its multiple shots i will give a small tip of 10 to 20rmb depending on how well the girl preforms. (no offense to any jewish bro's hehe, just a figure of speech) hehe.
even, if i am planning on only one shot, its best to work out a deal for yourself just to see if you can do it and just incase if you like the girl and want to party a little longer. that is if you can get your manhood up and running.
if you are looking for tour guide: visit lucky hotel, or your local favorite guide, but make sure you work out your prices with whomever you going with ahead of time as i heard from some brothers that i met yesterday, that some guides charges up to 700rmb for the night or even more, usually about 500 to 700rbm for beer drinkers, and more for wine, for the same service, nothing special. this is outrages and crazy.
keep in mind, all guides offer the same service, kindness, friendship, advice, partying, a big swinging smile, a hand in your pocket, and expecting a red pocket when you are leaving.
remember this is china, if you are paying anything more than 220 for beer drinkers and to a max of 300 rmb for winners, for a ktv night out, you are getting ripped off.
its like, everyone is paying 2-5-8 for the girls and you are paying 5-10-15 for the same slu*t.
always remember: you are in china, everything is negotiable. and if for some crazy reason, you can't get the right price, find another supplier.
di stream
price master- the price war is on!
Member #3429
09-08-10, 10:06
Looking for Ligit Massage?
Visit POZOLIM SPA
Its right underneath Little FAT Sheep hotpot, across the street from Manhattan hotel.
The prices ARE as follows:
OIL Massage: 139RMB for 110 minutes:
OIL Massage with stone for 169RMB for 110 minutes.
Two GIRL Oil Massage: 200RMB for 100 Minutes:
Oh they also have a thAI massage. Can't remember the price though.
If you are getting a body massage, and want a foot massage also, its 20RMB for each foot massage, head massage or on the chair shoulder massage.
If you are getting JUST foot Massage, its 48RMB.
If you buy a 1000RMB members card, you get 1 body massage and one foot massage free.
They have 2000RMB cards and 5000RMB cards. I bought the 5000RMB card and it came with 8 OIL massage and 8 Foot Massage for free and a few other junk.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
If you USE one regular girl all the time, ASK her to SELL you a 169 RMB COUPON. If she has any, she will sell you this coupon for 100RMB. Last time a bought a few from one of my regular girls. This saves alot of money as I can get the 169 RMB massage for 100RMB plus the GIRL is really happy cause she makes money. I don't really know how this works though, cause the establishment will start loosing money soon if girls starts selling too much of these coupons. The girl will only sell to you if you are a regular and if she trust you won't screw them over, as they don't want to get in trouble or get fired.
This is a LIGIT place so don't expect any special services. Though I have gotten a HJ from one of the girls there, just from one girl though and only few times, not all the time. I really had to sweet talk her into it though.
Di Stream.
PRICE MASTER- Price war is ON!
SE Asia Joe
09-08-10, 11:02
What is fair price for a good suit in Luohu? That is the hard part of knowing... what the price should be.. as 'fair value' is not a good measure of that.
You got me with that question.
As in everything in China - there is NO benchmark pricing that is 100% totally reliable.
But I'd say that one must be aware of what are the pricing elsewhere.
Like in Hong Kong, I'm right now looking at an ad in the SCMP for BOBBY Fashion - HK$2340 for 1 two piece wool suit,, 1 blazer or sports jacket, 1 matching pair of slacks, 2 custom made shirts, 2 silk ties. My God, how can they sell all that for so cheap in Hong Kong??!!
I'd rather suspect that if one goes to Bobby fahion, one would get "up-sold" on the above
As far as figuring out what one wud pay for a suit (or anything for that matter) one just got to figure out what is one's own "utility value" for the item for one cud order one made out of cheap material or a Ermegildo Zegna material etc.
Just my POV
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
09-08-10, 18:26
What is fair price for a good suit in Luohu? That is the hard part of knowing... what the price should be.. as 'fair value' is not a good measure of that.Freespeak
I would not have any suit done in China maybe in Shanghai, if I was you just get it done in Hong Kong, all the good Taylor are there and much better material but it will cost much more to get it done right.
Fast Eddie 48
I was just out with a well known swinging guide at Taoyuan. Paid 350 RMB inclusive.
I have all my suits made in China, usually done in Shanghai, but CP is OK. You should be able to bargain down to 450. Best advice - bring an old suit you like that can be copied or u will be disappointed.
Freespeak
I would not have any suit done in China maybe in Shanghai, if I was you just get it done in Hong Kong, all the good Taylor are there and much better material but it will cost much more to get it done right.
Fast Eddie 48
That's good and accurate info. I bought the 1000 card. The foot massage coupon is good for 3 months, the body massage coupon is good for 1 year.
the prices for girls at ktv are fixed.
good luck if you want to try to bargain with the mommies.
bbs: bbs is an interesting creature of the night- it can cost 150 to 200 dollars depending on your negotiation skills. remember to always negotiate your length of stay with the girl and how many rounds ahead of time.
any average bbs will charge 200rmb for two hours, single shot in goal. this is what i usually get: 4 hours, at least 3 shots-for 200rmb. the mamasan lady takes 100 rmb and that leaves the girl with 100rmb out of which she has to pay for the 10 to 20rmb to condoms and so forth.
its best not to jew down on price too much for bbs as it hurts the girls pricing and it will affect your service. i usually tell them that if its multiple shots i will give a small tip of 10 to 20rmb depending on how well the girl preforms. (no offense to any jewish bro's hehe, just a figure of speech) hehe.
even, if i am planning on only one shot, its best to work out a deal for yourself just to see if you can do it and just incase if you like the girl and want to party a little longer. that is if you can get your manhood up and running.
if you are looking for tour guide: visit lucky hotel, or your local favorite guide, but make sure you work out your prices with whomever you going with ahead of time as i heard from some brothers that i met yesterday, that some guides charges up to 700rmb for the night or even more, usually about 500 to 700rbm for beer drinkers, and more for wine, for the same service, nothing special. this is outrages and crazy.
keep in mind, all guides offer the same service, kindness, friendship, advice, partying, a big swinging smile, a hand in your pocket, and expecting a red pocket when you are leaving.
remember this is china, if you are paying anything more than 220 for beer drinkers and to a max of 300 rmb for winners, for a ktv night out, you are getting ripped off.
its like, everyone is paying 2-5-8 for the girls and you are paying 5-10-15 for the same slu*t.
always remember: you are in china, everything is negotiable. and if for some crazy reason, you can't get the right price, find another supplier.
di stream
price master- the price war is on!
I know for a fact that the Shanghai Tailors farm their work out to smaller tailors anyway, so going to a small shop would be even better because you are going directly to the source.
The shopping mall next to Luohu train station has hundreds of custom tailors on the 3rd and 4th floors, for both men and women.
I forgot prices, but probably about US$100 for 3-pc wool-blend suits. Cotton shirts are about $20-25. The wool fabrics have trade marks and are supposed to be made in England, but I doubt it. Most likely counterfeits from China.
The good deals are Oriental silk suits for the same prices as wool, which are chic, good-looking and of high values in the West. You can find all kinds of silks from China and Thailand in the fabrics stalls in that builing. Who the hell want to wear wools in Texas?
The fit, finish, workmanship and fabrics were all good from that tailor on the 3rd floor. He misunderstood me, even rode the bus one morning and delivered my suits to my hotel at 6AM to make sure I would not miss my flight... A good guy I do lots of business with.
While I was at his tiny shop, a few basket ball players from the LA Laker were ordering and fitting dozens of suits at a time... The suits looked good on them.
I dont know what more you can get out of tailors in Shanghai or HongKong. The Shanghai guy in that shopping mall, who claims to be direct descendant and learned the trade from genuine Shanghai tailors, was very expensive, and his suits did not look all that good... I suspect he's full of bullsh*t!
Bob Builder
09-09-10, 17:31
The girl doesn't make money by selling the coupons, she does it so she doesn't loose money. If you bothered to ask the girl she would have told you that the management forces them to buy the coupons themselves and then they have to get rid of them to customers as a way of making them come back and pre-sell the services. It is pretty common practice and they will normally sell them to anyone as fast as they can so they are not left holding any before they expire.
Freespeak
I would not have any suit done in China maybe in Shanghai, if I was you just get it done in Hong Kong, all the good Taylor are there and much better material but it will cost much more to get it done right.
Fast Eddie 48Last time in HK I looked at suits and shirts. But I can buy a brooks brothers or even a boss shirt in the states for less than they charge (ok for boss might have to go to an outlet) but still, at least i know the quality.
The suits the same thing. If they are going to charge $300 you can find a armani or hugo boss on sale at a high end retail outlet store..
Looking from the exterior you would think that Meibao is completely closed down. In fact, looking from the exterior you would think the whole Swan Lake Plaza is completely closed. It looks so dead!
But don't let appearances deceive you. Meibao is still in full operation. Sure, some of the girls have left because they are afraid of the widespread raids, but I saw many nice girls at the line up. Out of 18 that came in, I would probably take half of them.
What's annoying is that they are operating under the radar. So you need to know the people's phone number who work there in order to get in. It's a whole complicated maze to get in, which could make the whole experience a bit unsettling, but it's worth it. PM if you need contacts for the Sauna.
As with Virgin Sauna, they have different uniforms for different girls. The big breasted girls are wearing this black faux leather bikini wear, and the the taller girls with less of a rack are wearing OL uniform.
I got a girl numbered 233 i believe. Very large rack, 550 is inclusive of room fees. Really nice service, really fair skin. One of a kind type of girl. Didn't ask your age as I knew that she couldn't be older than 20. In my personal opinion Meibao trains their girls better than Virgin. I think Virgin has so much business that sometimes the girls get lazy. But in Meibao, they have better technique in the shower and in bed.
Overall a great experience, and a pleasant surprise that Meibao is still open in this ever-so intensive crackdown environment!
AsnDragon
News from BigBoobman confirms that CA Saunas are completely closed down. It's not just CA, but other places like Foshan near Guangzhou are down as well. In fact I had a BBS girl in Baby's room that use to work in a Sauna in Foshan two weeks ago, who left because her Sauna got shut down. Apparently, all of this widespread crackdown in the surround areas has just made CP even stronger and better. I've got more BBS girls who were from other towns working in Saunas and KTVs than I've had before. This means that the quality of the BBS girls in CP is better than what it was before as well. It's as if CP is this huge sponge that sucked in all the talent from neighboring towns and cities that got heavy cracked-down on.
I don't know how long this will last. With Asia Games coming to Guangzhou in two months, it's to be expected that another round of crackdowns may be under way. But who knows. All I can suggest to all you bros is come to CP, play and have fun, don't make an trouble or be too out of line and we can do our part in trying to keep CP out of the radar.
AsnDragon
What happens when you downsize from a 100 plus facility KTV such as the mayflower to a 80 room facility like Taoyuan? The answer is: a lot of unhappy people.
In terms of customers, they have hard time getting a room at taoyuan. You need to spend at least 5000 RMB an evening even for management to release rooms to you. It was even hard for BSD Dave to get a room at taoyuan, even with his deep contacts with management.
For girls, they get the worst end of the deal. With only 80 rooms for customers to reserve from, versus 100 plus at Mayflower, many girls, at least half of the girls each night end up not being picked and wasting their time and money. As a result, many have left taoyuan establishment and worked in nearby BBS and KTVs to weather this mayflower closedown.
For management it's a nightmare as well. Many management, staff and DJ's are leaving because there just isn't enough rooms for them to reach their quota or salary expectations. Retention has been a big issue.
The only people enjoying mayflower's misery are all the other KTVs that are sucking up angry ex-mayflower customers. Mayflower's close down has spread the demand more evenly to the rest of CP, to the pre-mayflower era where other KTV's still had a good chance of retaining good quality girls.
Let's hope that things will get back to normal soon. One thing I have also noticed is there's more and more people in CP now. I hear from many sources that all this closure nearby has flooded CP with more mongers looking for action. It's harder and harder to get a taxi, and more difficult to even get from point A to Point B due to massive amounts of traffic. Never before have I seen so many cars and people since the 2007 days.
AsnDragon
I've read so many times about walter footie to be a "dirty footie" with hanky panky stuff going on. But my recent experience was horrible. I had number 87, she was cute, use to be a DJ in several KTVs. From Hubei. She's slender, long straight hair with frosted tips and a smile to die for. She looks like athena chu: HK actress.
Anyhow, I did what every person says to do. I added hours and I didn't get any happy ending or action. What a waste of time. I don't know if I was suppose to say a special word or act really outwardly horny or be more forward with where I wanted her to massage me, but I got no happy ending. It was the most horrible experience. It's like you got teased for 2 hours straight and you ended up leaving with blue balls, a huge erection and no way to release yourself cause it's like 1:30 am.
Am I suppose to say some special word? Or whens he says: "which area in your body to you feel more tired?"
Am I suppose to respond: " my penis is very tired and needs to be massage throughly?"
Anyhow, left Walter Footie with no release. Anyone got any tips on what special word or action I'm suppose to say to get some action there?
AsnDragon
First time at Eurasia Sauna, and I must say that it was a great experience. I think what made it really nice was the fact that the Sauna was new, so the facility was new and therefore gave you a better feel and atmosphere.
Once again, Eurasia, unlike Virgin who have deep connections with the govt., is still scared of a crackdown. So when you go to the 6th floor to get to the Sauna floor, you can't get there, you need to call ahead of time and they tell you to go to the 7th floor (which is suppose to be the guest rooms floor) They do this to sort of stay under the radar.
Anyhow, girls at Eurasia where not as great as I had expected. But two girls caught my eyes. Number 215 and number 223. I chose 215, because she had this cute smile. She must be only 149 cm, but she had a body that was very proportional for her size. The one thing that stood out was her pointy, firm and beautiful breasts that stick out so nicely to greet you and welcome you to touch it. She's only 19 years old from Hunan. You have to ask yourself if every girl you meet in CP is only 19 years old. I think it's the fact that girls in China just look younger than other girls so they can get away with telling customers that they are only 19.
Anyhow, her service was not bad. has only been working for about a month. So she's not too experienced in bed, but then again that's a good thing that they aren't too experienced. It kind of turns me off when a girl working at a Sauna for more than 1-2 years is servicing me. It just makes me think of how many asses they have licked within their sauna career.
215 had nice fair skin. Beautiful rack. The only drawback was the fact that she was short. But hey, nobody's perfect right? Different strokes for different folks.
In addition, because Eurasia Sauna is not well known yet, and they are still operating undercover in a sense, they are giving customers 60 RMB off of the room fee which equals to 200RMB for 2 hours instead of their regular 268RMB rate. A good added bonus. What make Eurasia that much better is, you get to watch all the hot KTV girls walk into the KTVs, which makes you extra horny and then you can take care of it at the sauna next door. You get a two for one special.
AsnDragon
There are certain things that turn me off.
1. a smelly girl. Even after she showers she's still smelly. Smelly armpit, vagina, butt, breathe, hair etc.
2. a bitchy girl. A girl who is a ***** to everyone. a ***** to the DJ, to her friends, to customers, to the person who brings you the fruit plates, to the taxi driver etc.
3. an ungrateful girl. A girl who you treat pretty nice, but they still want to push the envelope to milk you an additional 100 RMB or 200RMB because they think you are too nice to reject them.
Number 3 happened to me recently. Here's the story. So after Eurasia KTV, with Jetsetter, BSD Dave and the whole group of other guys I only know their real names not handle, I brought my KTV girl back. We had fun, i treated her to a footie, had midnight snack, did our thing in my room. I paid her handsomely, even escorted her home the following morning. She liked my gum, I gave her an extra pack. I basically treated her nicer than I had to.
A few days pass and she calls me up, and asks to meet me because she "misses me." You guys all know where this conversation is going to lead to right?
Anyhow, she calls me up, I meet up with her and we chat. She tells me that she needs me to buy a case of mooncakes from her because she needs to reach her quota of 1 box a month. At this point I get really annoyed because she has an ulterior motive. I nicely tell her that I don't like mooncakes because it's too sweet. I play it off that she MUST have other customers that she can peddle her mooncakes to. Her attitude at this point changes and she gets upset and gives me this shit face. She said that I can buy it and give it to her and she'll eat it. The fact that she is so relentless after I tried to put it nicely, pissed me off. I told her I don't want to buy it, straight to her face. She was not happy. Looked away and said, I don't ever want to see you again. I walked away pissed, but glad I got rid of her.
Few minutes pass and she messages me: " I only want you to help me buy me a case of mooncakes, why are you so stingy?"
At this point I was so pissed off that i replied: " With your attitude, nobody will want to buy a case of mooncakes from you."
Never heard from her since. Good riddance!
Somehow...everyone ends up encountering one of these girls somewhere down the road. Word of advice-stay firm, don't get suckered in and stand your ground. Some of these girls are just too spoiled and need to check up on their attitudes. With her package I don't think she'll last long at Eurasia.
AsnDragon
How about " 你能不能帮我打飞机？
I've read so many times about walter footie to be a "dirty footie" with hanky panky stuff going on. But my recent experience was horrible. I had number 87, she was cute, use to be a DJ in several KTVs. From Hubei. She's slender, long straight hair with frosted tips and a smile to die for. She looks like athena chu: HK actress.
Anyhow, I did what every person says to do. I added hours and I didn't get any happy ending or action. What a waste of time. I don't know if I was suppose to say a special word or act really outwardly horny or be more forward with where I wanted her to massage me, but I got no happy ending. It was the most horrible experience. It's like you got teased for 2 hours straight and you ended up leaving with blue balls, a huge erection and no way to release yourself cause it's like 1:30 am.
Am I suppose to say some special word? Or whens he says: "which area in your body to you feel more tired?"
Am I suppose to respond: " my penis is very tired and needs to be massage throughly?"
Anyhow, left Walter Footie with no release. Anyone got any tips on what special word or action I'm suppose to say to get some action there?
AsnDragon
Sardaukar1
09-10-10, 21:28
If you don't trust the "fake" red or white wine. You can take the Tsingtao beer. 250rmb unlimted beer package from 1 of the agents in CP. So far I know 3 agents offering that in CP.
Cheers,
TinTinHey TinTin,
I'm really fed with drinking all that red/white wine offered by most CP agents. Would you kindly provide me the contact info of the agents offering the 250rmb beer package?
Thanks
Looking from the exterior you would think that Meibao is completely closed down. In fact, looking from the exterior you would think the whole Swan Lake Plaza is completely closed. It looks so dead!
But don't let appearances deceive you. Meibao is still in full operation...
... PM if you need contacts for the Sauna.
As with Virgin Sauna, they have different uniforms for different girls. The big breasted girls are wearing this black faux leather bikini wear, and the the taller girls with less of a rack are wearing OL uniform.
... In my personal opinion Meibao trains their girls better than Virgin. I think Virgin has so much business that sometimes the girls get lazy. But in Meibao, they have better technique in the shower and in bed.
...
Thanks for sauna's report, but I need some precision:
I know the sauna of the Swan Lake Hotel,
What is the whole Swan Lake Plaza and what is the relationship with Meibao sauna or hotel?
What is OL uniform ?
The Walter Hotel is known for foot massage, especially the third foot.
As suggested by LAMonkey, I can translate what you have to ask:
" 你能不能帮我打飞机? = Can you masturbate me ?
打飞机=da3fei1ji1 = to masturbate
OldAsiaHand
09-11-10, 03:30
I've read so many times about walter footie to be a "dirty footie" with hanky panky stuff going on.
Anyone got any tips on what special word or action I'm suppose to say to get some action there?AsnDragon,
Walter footie had never been a "guarantee" naughty footie like some of the other places near the train station where the extra hour gets the happy ending.
Some girls do, others don't. Unfortunately, the ones that offer the "extra" services are not the most attractive ones. I used to get served by #80 but I am not sure she is still working there. She had a nice rack but that was all. The rest of the package was below average. She would go for anything HJ, BBBJ, FS. I stuck it in one time during the extra hour but she was in a hurry for me to pop. I don't think they are supposed to take it that far.
There is really nothing to say to the girl. You should know what is possible by their attitude/actions during the first hour. If not, just ask them directly because some do tease for the second hour and leave you emptyhanded or with it "in your hand", as the case may be.
Just my POV.
OAH
About Lucky 508. Is there constant singing in the room?
Do people usually smoke? Just asking.
OldAsiaHand
09-11-10, 03:51
So much rambling again about the service of guides in CP...
1) If you can manage on your own, dont' use their services.
2) If you can arrange you own KTV parties, do it.
3) If you can find the same services cheaper, go for it.
Guides are in business. They need to make a living at it.
Just my POV.
OAH
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 05:51
So after Eurasia KTV, with Jetsetter, BSD Dave and the whole group of other guys I only know their real names not handle, I brought my KTV girl back.
AsnDragonWas this the girl on the right or left that night at Eurasia?
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 05:53
I've read so many times about walter footie to be a "dirty footie" with hanky panky stuff going on. But my recent experience was horrible.
AsnDragonJetsetter, myself and my cousin went there a good 3-4 years ago and I'd have to agree that it isn't a given. Of course we did pick the better looking girls but then again they weren't that great looking. The footie room was old and had tons of mosquitos flying around.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 05:57
Last time in HK I looked at suits and shirts. But I can buy a brooks brothers or even a boss shirt in the states for less than they charge (ok for boss might have to go to an outlet) but still, at least i know the quality.
The suits the same thing. If they are going to charge $300 you can find a armani or hugo boss on sale at a high end retail outlet store..Don't forget those suits still need to be tailored so you will still need to pay for that. Though I have to agree that custom suits do fit better but the quality of materials typically found there are not as nice as name brands. I have most of my suits tailored in Bangkok and still find the Armani, Hugo Boss, or Zegna suits to feel better after a good tailoring.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 05:59
Actually it's not across the street from the Manhattan hotel but across the street from the Miraton hotel.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 06:42
Lucky KTV??
In CP - right?
Another example of your great, TRUE and ACCURATE reports!
LOL!Maybe he meant lion ktv? I think they used to have a show iirc
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 06:54
About two weeks ago went to hh's sauna around 1 with jetsetter. We of course had BSDave make the reservations for us. Got out of the elevator and everything seemed normal though other places were in stealth mode. Saw maybe 15-20 girls and we both picked and enjoyed the 2 hours. I forget the number of my chick but she was very attentive and asked how many times I wanted to do the deed. I said 2 and we were off and running. Performed a BBBJ and then proceeded to the deed. Finished then showered where she performed the usual sauna shower. Not really feeling the whole mechanical shower routine I proceeded to the bed. After she finished with her shower she came back and started again with a BBBJ and then the deed one more time. Finished and the time was about up and decided to exit early since I ha someone meeting me in my room. Iirc it was 568 all in which wad about the price I remembered as it has been a while since my last sauna.
Cunning Linguist
09-11-10, 08:29
my final thoughts on cp
all in all, china has rocked my world in every possible way. it is an extremely addictive place. once you are there, you have to go back. or even stay. i am extremely grateful to southeast asia joe and big swinging dave. southeast asia joe convinced me to go to cp and big swinging dave made it happen for me.
i am not the inveterate, professional monger like most of the people on the site but i have been in a few places such as thailand, laos, dominican republic, and haiti. i have considered going to the philippines and brazil as well but i don't like the girls' shaving habits. there are two places that i now definitely like and will simply concentrate on these places: china and haiti.
i love haiti because the girls are so down to earth, so friendly, so nice. there are some hard-core types to be found but all in all, at least in my experience, haiti wins the gfe experience hands down. that is why i will always try to find a way to get there. i think that it will not get too spoilt because most mongers are scared of being killed, kidnapped, raped, or worse there on account of the grinding poverty. add to that, the fact that girls speak only creole and a smattering of french for the most part.
china is a totally different experience. i feel like being part of a secret society with a secret code that has ready access to gorgeous girls: that code is known as the chinese language. this is why i think that the scene in places like cp will go on for quite a long time. it will keep out the dumb, beer-quaffing lagerlouts with wife-beater shirts and mispelt tatoos. hell, it will keep out nearly all laowai types who are bad at languages and chinese seems to spook non-chinese. the prices of the ktv will also spook the less affluent types who, in the unlikely event, do manage to overcome the language barrier. in any case, even if such loser types started to flock to cp, the crackdown would be immediate and severe. thus, cp is confined to the likes of taiwanese, hong kongers, and chinese-speakig laowais.
another thing that i have come to c. the quality of girls at ktvs might be magnificent but they tend to be less magnificent in the sack, at least in my experience. the bbs girls win hands down. they are generally nice and nearly all my experiences with them were very positive. in some cases, absolute mind-blowing sex! i never had such an experience with the ktv girls. the first girl was very disappointing (the typical laowai too big for me bs), the second ktv was quite good once she saw money and once i introduced lubricant. the third ktv girl was mechanical to the point of being like a blowup doll (not that i have ever experience one but now i can imagine one).
the last one on my last night was particularly disappointing. hungryguy did try to warn me, bless his heart. he told me that he had negative vibes from here but was glad that i seemed to be ok with her. she was so nice and cute in the ktv room. i even took her to dinner. she was playful in bed, etc. but once the act of copulation commenced, she changed radically. all she could say was "kuai, kuai". at first, i thought she meant speed it up but then i realized that she meant "get it over with and be quick about it". such behaviour is a real "cock blocker". it simply turned me off. i need to think that the girl is enjoying herself, not being "commercially coerced" to get it on.
in conclusion, bbs girls rock. next year, i intend to concentrate on them. even the mamis around the clipper know me. the girls at the bbses near there are nice and seem to be happy to go out with me. i am attaching some photos of a cute bbs girl. one great thing about china is that you are virtually guaranteed a bush. some are better than others. this girl's drove me crazy. sorry about the focusing. i was too nervous to notice the bad focusing.
i love china and i love haiti. good bye thailand and dominican republic.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-11-10, 09:16
It was the Lion hotel, a few hundred yards down the street from the Miraton.
Thanks for the correction.
Now I dont remember where the Lucky hotel is. I think it's across the street and down further. I can find it with a little walk.The lucky hotel is sort of in the middle of the strip on the same side as lion hotel/KTV. Miraton and Hh are at the other end of the strip.
StinkyFeet
09-11-10, 10:01
The quality of girls at KTVs might be magnificent but they tend to be less magnificent in the sack, at least in my experience. Once you find a KTV girl (non-takeouts) that is smitten by you. your world will turn upside down. The term GFE + PSE starts to blur and she takes complete control. But the road to that is long and difficult. That has been my experience.
Jettsetter
09-12-10, 01:11
alright,
here are my few thoughts on this subject, that i think need some clarification. in my profession, it's all about the facts, and what makes sense and what doesn't make sense.
here's what i'm hearing from these posts... all you can drink, 250-300 rmb all in.
here's what i'm not hearing from these posts:
1. there are lot of guys with multiple girls... does that make a difference in pricing?
2. what if i drink like a fish? and my girls drink like fishes? is there sometime where they say, enough...
3. what if we want to eat something? order food, etc?? - do they set up a separate tab for me?
i can understand the concept of a buffet... but those are for establishments that are set up with a pricing structure to handle it. the problem i have is that for these places, they are not set up as a buffet. it's kinda like going to ruth chris' and trying to set up a side buffet business based on their steaks, but offering it for less than what the steaks costs at a retail price.
i mean, i've been going to ktv with and without help for years, and my bills are traditionally not under 300 rmb ever... that's partying on our own, big small groups, etc. etc....
so to say that it's always this amount, with no caveats certainly doesn't tell the whole story...
in my mind, there must be some rules/limits attached... i for one would venture to see the what this is all about...
here are the downsides i can see from this...
1. the group. to me, the ktv experience isn't about going to the ktv and just picking a girl. it's about the group... the people who you are surrounded by and the types of folks there... if it wasn't for the group, why even go? why not jsut figure out a way to pick from the line up and bolt?? save your 300 and go somewhere else for htat money like a nice dinner??
2. the group. not only is the group an important aspect of having fun, but consider the risks of this group you don't know. take for instance, the recent crackdown at mayflower where drugs were being sold. in those situations, the police will arrest the entire group and ask questions later. do you really know who you're associating with in that room??
3. the experience. ktving for me, is about the fun and chill factor meeting some guys who have similar experiences and backgrounds. for the most part, in the groups that are set up through isg/bsd, etc... the brothers we meet have similar backgrounds and can speak english fairly well... in truth, i don't party well with the locals. i mean i can, but not my cup of tea day in and day out. personally, i'm not a fan of one dude belting out tunes with no tone to it for hours on end and me pretending like he's the next elvis. i'd rather listen to the professionals.... sure singing here and there is fun and funny but i'm in a ktv for like 3-4 hours... do i need to hear bad music for the entire duration? hey, that's just my take... i'm not imposing my will on anybody... just like to kepe it with some chill music and playing games with the guys/girls... we can reserve the singing until we're all drunk enough where it doesn't matter...
4. trust and service. i can tell you from first hand experience, that in a room where someone like bsd is involved, there is a reliability that you can't find anywhere else. do you really think for you 300 rmb, that these guys give a shit about you or your experience? i can say from personal experience, and while i do not need a guide by any means as i can find my own way to book a ktv and pay less that the reason i'm willing to be subjected to these minor fees, is that i know that my ktv experience overall will be good... that someone will take care of my needs. that i have someone to champion my interests... think of it as service from a chain holiday inn vs. being the vip hosted at the bellagio...
at the end, it may very well be that the all yo ucan drink thing has no strings attached for that price. that's fine... but that's not to say that any other service is a "rip off" and to say so would be to undermine the many factors that those who make this ignorant statement have failed to take into consideration. i can say with 100% confidence that these services that other "guides" provide are not rip-offs... they are not [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) the system in any way...
if you have any doubts, look at the bill at the end of the night. i've done that many times, and there has never been a discrepency. now if the ktv tries to rip you off, by pulling shananagans, that's happened before ,but not under the watch of the guys who know what they're doing (bsd for one, in my opinion can be trusted with this task as he has his regular dj's who make sure that no bs happens like pouring beer out, etc.)...
as to the amounts rates... i have to say the price depends on what the party is like. some nights, a guy takes 2 girls or 3 girls, and the party is raging, then the amount can be as much as 400-450... some nights, a guy takes 1 girl and the party si not that happening and the amount is about 300-325...
depends on food, depends on what type of alcohol...
in short, get the facts straight before you venture and make decisions and even more so, get your facts straight before you start defaming others.
-jett
Cunning Linguist
09-12-10, 05:31
my final thoughts on cp
all in all, china has rocked my world in every possible way. it is an extremely addictive place. once you are there, you have to go back ... or even stay. i am extremely grateful to southeast asia joe and big swinging dave. southeast asia joe convinced me to go to cp and big swinging dave made it happen for me.
i am not the inveterate, professional monger like most of the people on the site but i have been in a few places such as thailand, laos, dominican republic, and haiti. i have considered going to the philippines and brazil as well but i don't like the girls' shaving habits. there are two places that i now definitely like and will simply concentrate on these places: china and haiti.
i love haiti because the girls are so down to earth, so friendly, so nice. there are some hard-core types to be found but all in all, at least in my experience, haiti wins the gfe experience hands down. that is why i will always try to find a way to get there. i think that it will not get too spoilt because most mongers are scared of being killed, kidnapped, raped, or worse there on account of the grinding poverty. add to that, the fact that girls speak only creole and a smattering of french for the most part.
china is a totally different experience. i feel like being part of a secret society with a secret code that has ready access to gorgeous girls: that code is known as the chinese language. this is why i think that the scene in places like cp will go on for quite a long time. it will keep out the dumb, beer-quaffing lagerlouts with wife-beater shirts and mispelt tatoos. hell, it will keep out nearly all laowai types who are bad at languages and chinese seems to spook non-chinese. the prices of the ktv will also spook the less affluent types who, in the unlikely event, do manage to overcome the language barrier. in any case, even if such loser types started to flock to cp, the crackdown would be immediate and severe. thus, cp is confined to the likes of taiwanese, hong kongers, and chinese-speakig laowais.
another thing that i have come to see. the quality of girls at ktvs might be magnificent but they tend to be less magnificent in the sack, at least in my experience. the bbs girls win hands down. they are generally nice and nearly all my experiences with them were very positive. in some cases, absolute mind-blowing sex!!! i never had such an experience with the ktv girls. the first girl was very disappointing (the typical laowai too big for me bs), the second ktv was quite good once she saw money and once i introduced lubricant. the third ktv girl was mechanical to the point of being like a blowup doll (not that i have ever experience one but now i can imagine one).
the last one on my last night was particularly disappointing. hungryguy did try to warn me, bless his heart. he told me that he had negative vibes from here but was glad that i seemed to be ok with her. she was so nice and cute in the ktv room. i even took her to dinner. she was playful in bed, etc. but once the act of copulation commenced, she changed radically. all she could say was "kuai, kuai". at first, i thought she meant speed it up but then i realized that she meant "get it over with and be quick about it". such behaviour is a real "cock blocker". it simply turned me off. i need to think that the girl is enjoying herself, not being "commercially coerced" to get it on.
in conclusion, bbs girls rock. next year, i intend to concentrate on them. even the mamis around the clipper know me. the girls at the bbses near there are nice and seem to be happy to go out with me. i am attaching some photos of a cute bbs girl. one great thing about china is that you are virtually guaranteed a bush. some are better than others. this girl's drove me crazy. sorry about the focusing. i was too nervous to notice the bad focusing.
i love china and i love haiti. good bye thailand and dominican republic.
i tried to upload these but the server at the hotel in thailand suddenly went down. enjoy
OAH,
I think next time it might be better that I go with you whenever you are in town. I know it's not a given that they give you extras, but isn't it expected most of the time? I guess next time i'll get better chances at "jin di li" Now that CA is all cleaned up by the crackdown, I guess I'll have to do more searching around.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Walter footie had never been a "guarantee" naughty footie like some of the other places near the train station where the extra hour gets the happy ending.
Some girls do, others don't. Unfortunately, the ones that offer the "extra" services are not the most attractive ones. I used to get served by #80 but I am not sure she is still working there. She had a nice rack but that was all. The rest of the package was below average. She would go for anything HJ, BBBJ, FS. I stuck it in one time during the extra hour but she was in a hurry for me to pop. I don't think they are supposed to take it that far.
There is really nothing to say to the girl. You should know what is possible by their attitude/actions during the first hour. If not, just ask them directly because some do tease for the second hour and leave you emptyhanded or with it "in your hand", as the case may be.
Just my POV.
OAH
Well I am back from my annual pilgrimmage to CP. Somehow I ended going to Fuhao 3 times during my week stay and Tao Yuan once.
Went early to Fuhao to check out the "preview" rooms even before flower street. First night there I picked out one petite girl and one a bit larger who had nice titties. They were both pretty fun and I had a hard time choosing between the two. I ended up with the petitie one and she was a trooper once we got back to my room. Since I only go to CP once per year the differences from year to year really stand out to me more so than some of you regulars perhaps. I did realize that card games were really in vogue last year but they kinda disappeared this year. The hand sign games really seemed to be the cool thing to do. Unfortunately, there was no naked dancing either. My next trip to Fuhao I was strolling down Flower Street and who do I see but the larger girl I did not choose the other night. Well I remember her promising certain services during my previous interview with her so I decided to take her this time. She was very fun in the room and we bailed out a little early so I can have a go at her in my room. She did not disappoint. My last night at Fuhao I managed to pick 2 duds. Both were fairly non affectionate in the room which immediately set off alarm bells for me. Although I rarely pick 2 duds at the same time, when you are beat you gotta fold the hand. Previous experience told me that it would not be worth it to take either of them home. Once I decided in my mind that was the case, I paid them their 200 and told them to go. Doctor Jim was kind enough to share with me his list of interview questions and what their answers mean. I'll be sure to add those questions to my repetoire next time.
As for Tao Yuan I really did not get a chance to really look around. I had a repeat girl that night so I just met her in the room and partied with the guys. But from my quick glance I still think Tao Yuan/Mayflower has the best selection of girls.
Maybe I'll actually be able to make it back to CP in 6 months or so..... well I can dream can't I?
Pifou,
Swan Lake Hotel does have it's own Sauna. If you use their room and book in advance it's 50 RMB for the room and girls get 400 rmb, 500 rmb depending on their height and looks and uniform.
Meibao has no relation to Swan Lake Hotel. However meibao is another sauna located within the Swan Lake Hotel Plaza, which is a shopping center located pretty close to the smell river, Li Hao Hotel.
OL uniform is Office Lady uniform. Business Causual dress up with skirt and blouse with fake glasses to fulfill men's fantasy of doing their secretary.
Thanks for the translation, but I wasn't that direct as it would be strange to request extras and have them tell you that they don't do that kind of stuff there. Then again there's nothing to lose, but just not my style.
AsnDragon
Thanks for sauna's report, but I need some precision:
I know the sauna of the Swan Lake Hotel,
What is the whole Swan Lake Plaza and what is the relationship with Meibao sauna or hotel?
What is OL uniform ?
The Walter Hotel is known for foot massage, especially the third foot.
As suggested by LAMonkey, I can translate what you have to ask:
" 你能不能帮我打飞机? = Can you masturbate me ?
打飞机=da3fei1ji1 = to masturbate
OK, despite having gone to CP for years now I have never actually partook of the bbs action. I have visited bbs from time to time but I never actually availed myself of their services. BSD and I were headed to dinner when he asked me if I wanted to check out a selection of bbs girls near Hui Mei. Who am I to refuse? In the first batch I saw this chick with a nice rack. The mommie touted her as having "good skillz' and promised that I would get BBBJCIM or something close to it. I made a mental note of her name and then we went off to another bbs. The 2nd one again yielded one cutie but the mommie told me that she was new and could not give an acurate description of her services.
After dinner I decided to order out for some dessert. I called the 1st mommie and had her send up the one with the big titties. Well...... disappointment. Started complaining almost from the start. Once I stuck my cock in her mouth she started complaining that her mouth was sore etc. Despite my directions to take the whole thing she only would suck the tip and tried to jack me with her hand. I finally decided to fuck her to get it over with. By then I was soooooooo not into it. I did not finish and she could not get me to finish in any position. I just decided to pay her the 200 to get her outta my room.
I guess the one positive in all of this is that if you pick a dud from a bbs it will only cost you 200.
Jettsetter
09-12-10, 09:24
Pifou,
Swan Lake Hotel does have it's own Sauna. If you use their room and book in advance it's 50 RMB for the room and girls get 400 rmb, 500 rmb depending on their height and looks and uniform.
Meibao has no relation to Swan Lake Hotel. However meibao is another sauna located within the Swan Lake Hotel Plaza, which is a shopping center located pretty close to the smell river, Li Hao Hotel.
OL uniform is Office Lady uniform. Business Causual dress up with skirt and blouse with fake glasses to fulfill men's fantasy of doing their secretary.
Thanks for the translation, but I wasn't that direct as it would be strange to request extras and have them tell you that they don't do that kind of stuff there. Then again there's nothing to lose, but just not my style.
AsnDragon
At least at JING DE LI - the codeword for handjob was "An Du Zhi" - (Press Stomach)...
not sure if that is a universal code word, that that type of massage, got you the handjob at some other dirty footie places I know of...
haven't tried it outside of those establishments though.
-J
The main reason I am supporting BSD's business is that I feel I get good value for what it costs me. I trust his judgement about certain things, and know that when he puts together a party, I will have a good time. This is from the experience of using his services in the past. While nothing is guaranteed, I have found that the people that attend his parties are individuals I enjoy spending my entertainment money with, as we have similar interests. You see, for me, it isn't only about how many girls I can have in the shortest time for the least amount of money. It is about creating an experience that I find valuable and wish to repeat. As far as supporting BSD personally, I know he is a "big boy" and can take care of himself without any assistance from me.
Your early post intimated that anyone that uses BSD's services were getting kick backs from him. I take umbrage with this as I can assure you I have received no monetary compensation from BSD for promoting his business, nor do I feel this is necessary given my positive experiences. Even if I did it would be of no interest to you or anyone else, unless I was making "false" claims on here just to "earn" a commission.
I, too, feel that if someone provides a good service or product they deserve to profit from those efforts, so I feel absolutely no remorse in paying for these services. I find that the reward/profit motive goes a long way in continuing to reap the benefits I desire. I also find that loyalty, even in the business world can provide a great benefit to both the client and the provider in the long run.
I am not afraid of anything, if someone can get a "better deal" then good for them, I just don't find it necessary to denigrate someone else to promote my opinion. I find it distasteful that you do, it is from this perspective I make my comments.
As Jettsetter said early, please refrain from using certain phrases if you don't understand the meaning or context, you only serve to prove the point I made earlier.
Oh, and for the record, I do think the KTV's need to make a profit, I am sure they are not is business to lose money and if there is no profit, soon there will be no business. I hope this concept isn't too difficult to grasp, if so, I am sure there are many here that can explain it better than I.
I really believe that you cannot go to CP and not partake of the sauna at least once. Checked out the Hui Hua sauna. I got a selection of maybe 10-15 girls and I did not find one that suited me. When I asked for another batch the hostess told me that it would "be awhile" before she could send another batch. When asked how long that meant she could not give me a straight answer. I decided to bail on that and intead went to the Virgin sauna. Much better selection there and I picked one quickly. You guys all know the sauna drill so I won't get into that. But, Virgin sauna has a kind of table shower. So my girl had me lie down on the table shower, soaped up her titties and stomach, then climbed up on me and started sliding up and down my body. The best shower I've ever had!
Virgin girls do not have all of the "moves" that Hui Hua girls have but the service is still excellent and I believe they have a better selection.
Hey guys.... lets cool it on all this stuff. This board is for sharing information so lets share information and not stupid, unsubstantiated rumors. Look, in my experience you inevitably get what you pay for.
In the U.S. I run a service oriented business and I know that I charge more than some of my competitors. Every time some guy mentions to me that so and so charges less, I always tell them that they came to me for a reason.... probably because someone recommended that they come see me despite higher charges.
If you are looking for the absolutely cheapest price in town then maybe Lucky508 is for you. I always tell anyone who comes to me that if they are looking for the cheapest price then they are in the wrong office. I hang with BSD's crew because I've partied with some of the guys before and I've always had a good time. Maybe I pay a little more than what some of these other guys are touting.... maybe not. But I've never found that I've been overcharged. Remember we are in CP to have a good time..... and for me that doesn't mean looking for the "cheapest" services. There's been plenty of information posted in the last few days for any newbie to do his own due diligence. Check it out and make your own decision.
Well, I don't know the "exact" figure, but the least I recall was about 300 RMB and the most was about 650 RMB. The small one was a small group and half of the guys left early, so not much drinking. The most was a birthday party night at an "upscale" KTV, with a big group of guys, lots of girls and lots of drinking. To be honest, Dave came to each of us and told us what the price was at a particular point in the evening and asked if wanted to continue or shut it down with the drinks/food we had already ordered. It was our choice to continue and pay the higher amount.
I hope this answers your inquiry.
You see the problem with your statement that "it is 350 RMB more that it should have been", is that you have no idea what the circumstances are that lead to the charge of that amount. You keep making statements about "BSD charging this, and BSD charging that", when in fact, at least in my experience he doesn't "charge" anything. The amount is determined by the people in the room and their tastes, etc. If they want to drink Chivas and tea all night, it will be a different price than TsingTao or wine, etc. If they order a bunch of food, the price goes up, if they sit 4 girls each, the price goes up. I don't have a problem with this, nor do I think a rational individual should have a problem with it.
I'll admit that I know absolutely nothing about the group you speak of, but I would be shocked if I booked with them and then wanted to bring 4 girls in the room and drink Chivas and tea all night with all of my girls, that the price would be the same for me as it would for some guy with one girl drinking beer.
As for me not wanting to be open in public, I am not ashamed about what I paid, quite frankly I am very pleased with the service I have received from BSD. I also noted that Jettsetter mentioned what his recent fees amounted to for a night's entertainment.
I suspect that the PM's you received have been from individuals that expected a "Shangri La" experience, but only wanted to pay "7 Days Inn" prices, but that is only speculation on my part!
As for the "untrue" word, according to the online version of Webster's Dictionary, it had been in use since before the 12th century, does that count?
Mit Fo Lfe
09-12-10, 15:14
at eurasia, it was the girl to my left. The taller one, that was hot to my right, i sent her home. She didn't have the best attitude. But she told me she thought i was cool because i ignored her, and nobody has ever ignored her for so long during the night as I have. Strange...you treat them worse they like you better than when you treat them better.
AsnDragonOk. Ya the one on your right was definitely cute and didn't seem happy. I even asked her and it wasn't until then that she started smiling. It's the whole 'something different' mentality. That girl was probably used to getting all the attention and then you came along and put her into the box so she was intrigued. Hope you got her number as she probably wouldve been good ad I'm sure she was wondering the whole time why she wasn't getting any attention.
Member #3429
09-13-10, 01:16
To everyone,
How many of you have been to the SILK Market in Beijing? Well I have, many times.
This is what you usually see at the SILK market. Busloads of tourist coming to the market and buying the fake brand name things.
If you pass by the stalls, you see all these laowai's paying 100RMB, some even 200rmb for a BOSS/Armani shirt or a BOSS/Armani Jeans. They are thinking wow. 100RMB, what is that, $12 dollars. What a DEAL.
Not knowing that every other tourist or local that has been there a few times, knows that the regular selling prices for the same baldy shirt is $35RMB for the long armed and 32RMB for the short. That's the market rate.
Or an Armani Suit, selling for 1000 to 2000RMB, most newbies pays this thinking its a deal but the regulars only pay 350RMB for the same suit knowing the real price.
CP is the same. Newbies get ripped off into thinking what a deal they got. Not knowing that they just got ripped off.
Watchout people... Watch out for those crooks. Do your research and don't get ripped off.
Henry Link
09-13-10, 02:21
Hello,
I am new here. I have been to Chang ping several weeks ago. I have tried out a few different places. I have tried Dave's BSD's services.
I met with Dave, Bruce and the gang through one of the members here. We had a good time. I paid $570 one night and $890 another night. We were drinking beers. We partied at Jin Lang and Taoyan.
I met with other guys, James and his buddies, at the Polozian massage place, and partied with them too. With the second group, the bill at the end of the evening at was $350. Another night, with the same guys, the bill was $360. We paid the money directly to a lady who came to collect the bill at the end of the evening. I don't know if she was a guide or the lady working at the KTV. The two nights we visited fuhao and taoyan.
I never thought too much of the bill from Dave as I knew, I was paying for guide service fee as well. According to all these report, I supposedly got ripped off. Maybe so, but
I enjoyed my whole stay in Chang Ping. It was everything that I read and better than what I expected.
Was there any difference in service I got with Dave verse the other guys I partied with. Not really. Both was fun and exciting and happening.
I am an easy going guy, don't really need much service anyways. I can find my way around easy now so next time I don't think I will be needing a guide.
I am off to Thailand in a few weeks. Hope to have a great time there as well. Have a lot of reading to do to brush up on things happening there.
Thanks a bunch everyone.
Henry Link
The recent bickering about guides on this board has been getting old and tiring. Now we've lost focus on what this board should be. Instead about learning about current CP conditions, KTV's, BBS and hot ladies, we just hear West Wing bickering with everyone else about using Lucky 508 to save maybe a measly 50 RMB - which is really nothing to most of us.
Look, I am a part time monger. I've used BSD in the past and I have been happy with his services. I've also tried a couple of other 'guides' (not Lucky 508) which were OK as well. I went back with BSD however after trying some others. The fees were never outrageous and in fact less than the other guides I've tried. I like BSD because his mindset and views on mongering are pretty consistent with my views. It's a matter of fitment, and I feel he 'gets' me better than others (especially other Asian guides), perhaps because he has lived in the west and so on. I'd rather pay the extra $50 RMB (if even that) and support someone who understands what I want. If that small difference really mattered I would find another guide. Whatever BSD gets out of it, it just makes enough for him to get by in China and it's not going to make him rich.
West. I appreciate 'some' of your posts, and the fact you want to contribute, but it's clear that you are pushing Lucky 508 to some type of personal benefit because it's the second sentence of every post you make. I really don't think someone would post about Lucky 508 as much as you if they didn't get something out of it, after all, we have lives to live and better things to do. If you want to Bash BSD by saying he's ripping people off, I can tell you alot of other guides who charge more and provide worser services. Maybe you can warn people on the board about them, because to me.... they are the real ripoff artists. You should just tell the facts about your experiences, and let people decide for themselves.
West, please continue to post, but let's keep to the topic and discuss what really matters here. Also, if you are going to make an argument, don't jump ship. You began saying he was charging people 500-700rmb without proof or using his services, then someone confirmed the charges are 330-350 - and you acknowledged you were wrong about him 'ripping off people'. Now you start to say his is ripping off people again. Please take a stance and stick to it. I really hate it when people dont stick to their arguments.
Please, lets just grow up and talk about relevant issues in DG instead of who the cheapest guide is.
Jettsetter
09-13-10, 09:58
I'm not going to say much more on this topic. I think it's pretty clear what's going on and anybody can read enough to make up their own minds on what to do when they come to CP.
However. What's interesting is the "emails" he gets, from "another senior member" both end with the same salutation. "Enjoy". How on earth would two different senior members write an email with the same ending/salutation?
Seems contrived to me. In law, we call that circumstantial and very prejudicial evidence which should be taken with a grain of salt.
Again, I sing the words of Bob and assert that if anybody actually had a bad experience, please state so.
What I think we are figuring out is that, yes, depending on how you party a certain night, it might be more expensive. The more guys, the usually cheaper a night can be. But I've had nights where it's been mellow, not much drinking and some where it's been crazy frat party style. Prices DO differ.
If we can swing a party with the same price every night, then yah, that's fine. But I guess someone has to take the leap of faith (other than the obvious tout), and try it to see if it's everything they say it is. If so, then maybe it's a service that can be used on a regular basis.
To say Dave is ripping people off is inaccurate and malicious. Simply put, it's not as if BSD is marking up prices from what KTV charges. He puts together parties, and passes the bill the KTV charges. He adds a bit of a mark-up that is predisclosed and that's the way it is.
If this is rip off, then I guess most promoters, businesses out there are all ripping people off. I guess if you argue that you can get a similar product for cheaper, it's not that the other guy is ripping you off per se. But that simply put, there is a cheaper product (albeit, we don't know all the strings and details yet and I won't badmouth it until it's tried out). All I can say is that it sounds suspicious, but that's my nature.
Look. BSD does tons of stuff over and above simply booking a KTV room. Some can make great use of it, others don't need it as much. For a non Chinese speaker, BSD's services and ability to put people together are invaluable. I don't think lucky 508 provides any other service other than KTV bookings (I could be wrong).
BSD is here all the time and does stuff that, in my book is way above and beyond. He used to do it more out of generosity, but a guy's have to eat, and make a buck. And what he provides is invaluaable to many folks.
As for the prices at the clubs. Well, there are a ton of variables. But I guess since we're on this newbie protection thing.
Newbies- go and venture on your own to lucky 508 and see how far you get. Maybe you'll be fine, maybe you'll meet some cool people. I honestly think that if you take the advice of another member, then that's cool.
But you can read the countless posts here that have praised BSD's services. Was it because they didn't know better? Are you sure? I mean are these people all idiots with wool over their eyes. Like little babies who have no idea? Is Dave just sitting around couting his mao's because he's ripping peple off and people are now saved by their savior?
I don't think so. People are way smarter than that and giving people way less credit than they deserve.
I party with BSD. And I will likely eventually try the Lucky 508 deal to see what it's all about because I'm all about TOFT. However, the only thing I won't TOFT is. And OAH is more a man than I am for this is Catacombs.
The seniors know what I'm talking about. Ugh! I shudder at the thought.
Anyways. Enough said. I think all the NEWBIES and folks KNOW exactly what everyone's opinion is.
So let's just put this to bed.
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On another note. Anybody been back to Mayflower since it opened up again? All good? Girls still all there?
What's the news?
I would say that Lucky 508 has a clientele that is predominantly Hong Kong and Taiwanese. They are more frugal, and more knowledgeable about the pricing, and know more about local services and guides.
BSD has more western customers. He has fewer customers, and they probably pay higher prices, but not very much more. I would guess that the average western monger doesn't mind paying an extra $10 or $15 to be at an english speaking ktv party where he can mingle with other westerners.
I don't think Dave is "ripping people off".
But if you are a westerner, and new to CP, you might find that Dave's services are a better option. He provides more than just KTV parties. Phone calls, reservations, introductions, translations, dinners, information, travel arrangements, etc.
Of course you will have to pay. You should ask about prices before you engage services. If you want cheap, then do as OldAsiaHand told you, make your own arrangements!
Member #3429
09-13-10, 12:55
Mayflower:
Mayflower opened up last Friday as its first day. The place was packed at usual. They didn't have as many girls though. Maybe cause it was the first day.
Haven't been back since the first day it opened. I guess most of the girls that went to Taoyuan stayed back in Taoyuan. But that's just my assumption.
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On another note.... Anybody been back to Mayflower since it opened up again? All good? girls still all there??
what's the news?
Usbomber123
09-14-10, 01:38
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Andrew Lowa
09-14-10, 03:53
Hello Guys,
I am new here though I feel like I have known you guys for a while now. I have been reading up a lot on Guangzhou as that's where I am going and everyone is saying to go to Chanping. I guess everyone calls it CP right?
I will be visiting CP this week in the evening, most likely friday and saturday. Anyone in Guangzhou who want to make a trip down or is it up to Changing?
It seems like a lot of fighting is going on about which service is better. Its the first time for me in CP so I am going to go try to find Lucky hotel service if I can find the place. I do not have an account here so I can not contact David yet. I read that there is an ad somewhere. I will try to check it out. I still have a lot of reading to do about chanping.
I will report back about the services. Also, a question about where this Clipper hotel is. I read a few reports saying its a good place to stay. I asked my travel agent but she didn't know a cliper hotel. She asked me if its known by a chinese name or another name?
Is Clipper known as something else? If so, can someone post the name for me please. Not to worry, I can book the hotel myself or my agent will do it for me as long as I know the name.
If there is any other Americans in town, hopefully we will meet. I am planning on staying at Chipper hotel.
Thanks guys,
Andrew Lowa
MFL,
You know I didn't even bother to get her number. I just wasn't that into her. I think the fact that she has all those cigarette burns on her hands just turns me off. It signifies the following:
1. she had or has a boyfriend
2. I hate girls that just do that to themselves.
I know it's prevalent for girls to do that, especially the younger girls, but it's just a turn off that they mutilate their bodies. I once had a girl who cuts herself for fun, and that turns me off as well.
We'll see, so many beautiful girls in CP....the only problem is too little time.
AsnDragon
Ok. Ya the one on your right was definitely cute and didn't seem happy. I even asked her and it wasn't until then that she started smiling. It's the whole 'something different' mentality. That girl was probably used to getting all the attention and then you came along and put her into the box so she was intrigued. Hope you got her number as she probably wouldve been good ad I'm sure she was wondering the whole time why she wasn't getting any attention.
Hi all,
Anyone know if there is a place in CP that has a live band where you can chill out for drinks and have girls sit with you. The Hui Mei used to have a set up like this with a 50rmb entry fee but I think it has long gone now. I like to take a break from the KTV scene and besides I like doing different things. Rather than listen to some lame singing in the KTV(alright some of you do sing Ok) I quite enjoy a different kind of pace at times.
I asked this twice before but no one replied. A number of posters seem to have a lot of information about CP so I was hoping I would get an answer from one of them. Hmmmm. I wonder why I didn't get an answer. Is there a fee for sharing? Some of you are too funny.
Anyway, hope to hear from one of you. Thanks a million.
Just a note to newbies: If you get off the bus stop in town you may get approached by these private drivers. They will try to charge you something like 50 rmb to drive you to a hotel like the Miraton, Walter or Lucky. Don't bother paying. These hotels are just a short walk away.
Jettsetter
09-14-10, 09:35
Alright, I've heard lots of guys in the past few weeks assert that the quality has really gone down from the previous years (even as opposed to last year).
I remember having even a good time at Virgin, but it seems now-adays, there are only a few staple places with good action... What's your opinion?
My favorites, at this point are (in no particular order):
1. Fuhao
2. Mayflower/Taoyuan
3. Eurasia (although the 3-6-9 pricing is something to be considered)
4. Hui Hua - although it's been ages since i've been there...
I also don't like how Eurasia has gone away from the flower street... part of the reason why i haven't gone back to Hui Hwa is the lack of the flower street... THe mommies have some sort of system of picking that doesn't let you see all the girls.. that's just ridiculous.
Anywhere else guys? Any hidden gems out there that arne't on the list... I mean I know we were going to Kancheng for a whlie, have done Li Hao (which was pretty lame), Manhattan (bad reviews from my friends), The Pen (which traditionaly we don't have a good time at)...
-J
Alright, I've heard lots of guys in the past few weeks assert that the quality has really gone down from the previous years (even as opposed to last year).
I remember having even a good time at Virgin, but it seems now-adays, there are only a few staple places with good action... What's your opinion?
My favorites, at this point are (in no particular order):
1. Fuhao
2. Mayflower/Taoyuan
3. Eurasia (although the 3-6-9 pricing is something to be considered)
4. Hui Hua - although it's been ages since i've been there...
I also don't like how Eurasia has gone away from the flower street... part of the reason why i haven't gone back to Hui Hwa is the lack of the flower street... THe mommies have some sort of system of picking that doesn't let you see all the girls.. that's just ridiculous.
Anywhere else guys? Any hidden gems out there that arne't on the list... I mean I know we were going to Kancheng for a whlie, have done Li Hao (which was pretty lame), Manhattan (bad reviews from my friends), The Pen (which traditionaly we don't have a good time at)...
-JJettsetter,
I would agree with your list, but have to say that I had a great time at the Pen the last time I was there. It's funny, while I enjoy the flower street, the best gals I have had recently have all come from places that had a line up. Go figure! Anyway, one thing is for sure.....more research is needed! And soon!!
Member #4144
09-14-10, 12:28
It's funny, while I enjoy the flower street, the best gals I have had recently have all come from places that had a line up. Go figure! Anyway, one thing is for sure.....more research is needed! And soon!!I am happy to see someone else had the same experience! I have never liked the idea of flower street, as you tend to pick the wrong girls this way and not to mention that you must get there way too early, which is not always possible.
From a line up, you can pick a girl to sit and you have 5-15 min to decide if you want that girl. You really need that time to look at her more carefully and chat with her to really find out about her, before you decide to keep her. More often then not, there is a lot more then meet the eyes in the first 2 min.
Fillmore
Member #3429
09-14-10, 13:41
Another kind of a swindler in town.
Guys, be careful, on the main strip, there are a few fake Iphone swindlers roaming around. They usually approach a guy and offer them an Iphone. Usually the new Iphone 4.
They start off their rate at 2000 RMB and goes down from there. They actually show you a real Iphone 4. Once you agree to a price with them, say 570RMB or 890RMB. They will tell you that they need to take out their SIM card.
While they are taking out the SIM card, they will quickly switch the real phone with a fake one that looks and feels just like the real one.
Last week, one laowai got ripped off for 1000RMB that he paid to this phone swindler and ended up wiht a fake. I am sure others have been affected as well.
I just hope that anyone who reads this doesn't fall for their swingin little business.
I guess this problem is not new, its everywhere in china and even in Hong Kong.
Play safe, play smart, don't hand over your money to just anyone.
Member #3429
09-14-10, 13:58
Hello Mr. Andrew,
Please do check out a few different services and please report on those as soon as you can. There are alot of ripoff artist in town, from Phone swindlers to guide service swindlers. Please watch out for these losers.
I just found out that there is another guide service company near the CLIPPER hotel. I was told that its about a block past the CLIPPER HOTEL toward Manhattan hotel on the right hand side. I am planning on trying it out and I hope that you can test it out as well. I tried sending you a PM but I see that you don't have a PM service yet. Please pay the 20$ and get the Private messaging service. It really is worth it and it helps Jackson with his bills. I have talked to this Guide service company and they say that they also have to "ALL YOU CAN DRINK DEALS" They didn't give too much details over the phone but they quoted the price starting at 230RMB for WhITE WINE and 280 for RED wine. It seems like they are cheaper than LUCKY 508.
If you are going to try out LUCKY 508, that's great too, its located at LUCKY HOTEL on the main strip. Just tell the Taxi driver that you want to go to TAOYIN Hotel. (lucky hotel is also known as that)
If you are staying at CLIPPER hotel, your rate should be 268 for a non computer room Single king bed or the same price for a two double bed.
For the room with the computer, its 298RMB for the night. Keep in mind, these above rates are for ALL TIMES, doesn't matter if its week day or weekend.
I heard from another traveler that MR. BSD quoted a price of 368RMB for a weekend rate at CLIPPER HOTEL. (now this information is just hearsay, if he really did quote that price, he was of-course once again, ripping off a client because the hotel pays a commission to agents from the 268 and 298 rate.)
Oh your question about the clipper hotel, you can visit their website CLIPPER-HOTEL dot com.
Hello Guys,
I am new here though I feel like I have known you guys for a while now. I have been reading up a lot on Guangzhou as that's where I am going and everyone is saying to go to Chanping. I guess everyone calls it CP right?
I will be visiting CP this week in the evening, most likely friday and saturday. Anyone in Guangzhou who want to make a trip down or is it up to Changing?
It seems like a lot of fighting is going on about which service is better. Its the first time for me in CP so I am going to go try to find Lucky hotel service if I can find the place. I do not have an account here so I can not contact David yet. I read that there is an ad somewhere. I will try to check it out. I still have a lot of reading to do about chanping.
I will report back about the services. Also, a question about where this Clipper hotel is. I read a few reports saying its a good place to stay. I asked my travel agent but she didn't know a cliper hotel. She asked me if its known by a chinese name or another name?
If there is any other Americans in town, hopefully we will meet. I am planning on staying at Chipper hotel.
Thanks guys,
Andrew Lowa
Mit Fo Lfe
09-14-10, 14:03
I am happy to see someone else had the same experience! I have never liked the idea of flower street, as you tend to pick the wrong girls this way and not to mention that you must get there way too early, which is not always possible.
From a line up, you can pick a girl to sit and you have 5-15 min to decide if you want that girl. You really need that time to look at her more carefully and chat with her to really find out about her, before you decide to keep her. More often then not, there is a lot more then meet the eyes in the first 2 min.
FillmoreYou still get the 15 minutes of 'interview' time when picking from the flower street. You just have to be assertive if you do decide not to keep them as the 15 minutes start when you enter the room and not after you pick them from the flower street.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-14-10, 14:11
The pin yin for clipper should be fan chuan.
My mandarin isn't the greatest but hopefully that'll help you or your travel agent.
Member #4144
09-14-10, 14:28
Has CP really become a place for the cheapskates? No wonder the quality of girls are going down hills. Looks like I have not missed much by returning to ZH as the quality there is better then ever, and yes, more expensive, but definitely worth it.
F.
Member #4144
09-14-10, 14:50
Sure, you guys stay in CP and enjoy your deals, and keep chasing after cheaper and cheaper ones!
I sure hope the price in ZH can stay as when the price goes down, the quality will go with it. I have seen this happen in GZ. It used to be like BJ, around 1000, and those days you can find real quality, but now it is 200 and you only find old-fat-ugly.
As it is now, I have seen the best quality in ZH are looking constantly to move to Hangzhou and Shanghai.
F.
Member #3429
09-14-10, 15:24
F.
Don't think much is left in GZ. Last time I was in gz(a few months back), the place was worse then dead. All the bbs and full service suanas are pretty much gone.
Must be because of the asian games thats happening there shortly. Even the regular BBS shops that were around a few years back are gone now.
Just some WG's around the Garden hotel but that too is horrible.
I have never morgered in ZH but will definately make a trip down in the next month or so.
Take care,
Sure, you guys stay in CP and enjoy your deals, and keep chasing after cheaper and cheaper ones!
I sure hope the price in ZH can stay as when the price goes down, the quality will go with it. I have seen this happen in GZ. It used to be like BJ, around 1000, and those days you can find real quality, but now it is 200 and you only find old-fat-ugly.
As it is now, I have seen the best quality in ZH are looking constantly to move to Hangzhou and Shanghai.
F.
Hello Guys,
I will report back about the services. Also, a question about where this Clipper hotel is. I read a few reports saying its a good place to stay. I asked my travel agent but she didn't know a cliper hotel. She asked me if its known by a chinese name or another name?
Is Clipper known as something else? If so, can someone post the name for me please. Not to worry, I can book the hotel myself or my agent will do it for me as long as I know the name.
If there is any other Americans in town, hopefully we will meet. I am planning on staying at Chipper hotel.
Thanks guys,
Andrew LowaThe Chinese name of the Clipper hotel is 帆船酒店 = Fan1 Chuan2 Jiu3 Dian4.
Jiu3 Dian4 = hotel.
Lucky hotel = 好运酒店 = Hao3 Yun4 Jiu3 Dian4
Clipper and Lucky are not really within walking distance, not unless you are prepared to walk half an hour.
Use the Chinese name when dealing with local people. Most don't have a clue what the English name of the hotel is (not even senior managers at the hotel!)
As to whether Clipper is such a good deal, it depends. Swanlake hotel = 天鹅湖酒店 = Tian1 E2 Hu2 Jiu3 Dian4 is literally a stone's throw from Clipper.
- Clipper is slightly nicer but also more expensive
- Clipper does include 1 buffet breakfast (2 if you whine long enough). Some guys wake up early enough for this, some don't.
I am happy to see someone else had the same experience! I have never liked the idea of flower street, as you tend to pick the wrong girls this way and not to mention that you must get there way too early, which is not always possible.I like flowerstreets, and judging from the success of TaoYuan and then MayFlower, most guys like it too. But I realize this is an individual preference. Showing up early for it is a pain though. Not to mention that mommies will pre-show you her girls i.e. bring her girls to your room in lineups.
From a line up, you can pick a girl to sit and you have 5-15 min to decide if you want that girl. You really need that time to look at her more carefully and chat with her to really find out about her, before you decide to keep her. More often then not, there is a lot more then meet the eyes in the first 2 min.
FillmoreWell, you can do the same in a flowerstreet for the interview process. Pick a girl, walk around with her on your arm in the flowerstreet area while looking for another girl (or pretend to, if you don't wanna pick another). While walking around you interview her. If she is no good, toss her back.
Unlikely your travel agent will have Clipper Hotel, but you can go to their website www clipper-hotel com (fill in the dots) and book from there or PM BSD same price. They can probably find HuiHua Hotel through travel agent which is more expensive (around 380 i think) and includes breakfast.
If you are american and don't speak chinese, i would not advise the walk from lucky to clipper. cabs are cheaper than problems. i have done it but i wouldn't at night - i did once saw some potential problem and jumped in cab. some streches in there aren't populated alot at night and you would fee uneasy. no need to look for trouble.
Clipper is better for the Mayflower/Manhattan/Cali Red/Plutocrat/Jiayi ktvs you could walk. Huihua for huihua/virgin/lucky/miraton ktv/sauna (better saunas there). Eurasia are both cab rides (huihua is 1/2 the distance though) and both are equidistant roughly to Fuhao.
I like Clipper as it is small and doesn't have a huge lobby to walk a girl through. I have not stayed at Swan Lake but after renovation the rooms are on par with Clipper i think. they do not speak english there and yes if you say clipper you will get blank stares... fan chuan...
Huihua is expensive and getting dated if you don't stay in the business levels. some rooms STILL don't have flat tvs which is unheard of in most newer hotels. Huihua does have a great pool and convenience store in hotel that has good cigs/drinks/food and actually real V should you want it. The owners there are very cool and honest (yes honest in china). cigs are HK brought in underground. beer is not fake, real tsingdao, etc. Huihua also has english speakers so that if you have a problem communicating it makes it easier.
FYI this is the kind of information people come to the forum for.
Tintin1970
09-14-10, 22:50
Hi all,
Anyone know if there is a place in CP that has a live band where you can chill out for drinks and have girls sit with you. The Hui Mei used to have a set up like this with a 50rmb entry fee but I think it has long gone now. I like to take a break from the KTV scene and besides I like doing different things. Rather than listen to some lame singing in the KTV(alright some of you do sing Ok) I quite enjoy a different kind of pace at times.You can try California Red (opp Manhattan Hotel). It's a pub where they play English song with lots of beautiful meimeis for you to pick up.
Cheers,
TinTin
Jett,
Honestly here are my picks for KTVs for girls:
1. Eurasia
2.Taoyuan/Mayflower
3. Penn
4. Fuhao
5. Kangtown back in the days when it was good.
Best Fruits: Xiang Ying (cut fresh in front of you)
Best DJ's: Royal Garden in Da Lang
Best food in KTV: Manhattan
Best looking Mommies: Eurasia/Prince (back in the days)
Fuhao was good in the past when girls were able to go wild in the rooms, but with this crackdown, Fuhao wasn't as fun as it use to be. The girls in Fuhao, especially the one you got last time are much more wild. Wild is good when you get the right girl, but if you get a girl who's stinky and smelly, then I'd have to pass-which is what happened to me last time.
But in terms of finding the most stunning looking girls it's got to be Eurasia and Penn. I could be at Eurasia every day of the week and not go through all the girls that I like and want to pick. Too bad it's rather steep for the model girls who demand 5-10-15.
AsnDragon
Alright, I've heard lots of guys in the past few weeks assert that the quality has really gone down from the previous years (even as opposed to last year).
I remember having even a good time at Virgin, but it seems now-adays, there are only a few staple places with good action... What's your opinion?
My favorites, at this point are (in no particular order):
1. Fuhao
2. Mayflower/Taoyuan
3. Eurasia (although the 3-6-9 pricing is something to be considered)
4. Hui Hua - although it's been ages since i've been there...
I also don't like how Eurasia has gone away from the flower street... part of the reason why i haven't gone back to Hui Hwa is the lack of the flower street... THe mommies have some sort of system of picking that doesn't let you see all the girls.. that's just ridiculous.
Anywhere else guys? Any hidden gems out there that arne't on the list... I mean I know we were going to Kancheng for a whlie, have done Li Hao (which was pretty lame), Manhattan (bad reviews from my friends), The Pen (which traditionaly we don't have a good time at)...
-J
I forgot to add Cali Red onto my list. Back in the days, they had so many hot looking girls from dongbei. I had one that passed out drunk, never got in touch with her as she changed her cell number. Too bad most of them left to Li Cheng which I assume is doing Really Really bad because even Li Cheng's GM moved over to Pennisula.
Cali Red back in the days had some seriously pretty girls. Does anyone know how the quality of the girls at Cali Red KTV are these days?
AsnDragon
Personally I love Swan Lake Hotel. It's economical and the rooms are almost the same quality as the Penn without the price tag. What's so cool is they give you free breakfast now at the Jing Hao Hong Kong Cafe downstairs. Menu is a bit limited but i love the HK style Milk Teas so that's certainly a plus for me.
In addition Swan Lake's got the new wing that recently opened a few months back and the rooms are quite nice. Bathrooms are smaller but the you can't beat the price anywhere else.
Mayflower rooms are just as good and affordable, the only problem I have with it is it's a bit further down Swan Lake Road than I would prefer. But that's just my personal opinion.
Taoyuan rooms are a bit dated, but in terms of price and size of room it's quite large in my opinion.
I know a lot of people prefer to stay around the town center in Hui Hua and Miraton etc, but I find that the pricing doesn't justify the quality of the rooms. Just my personal opinion.
AsnDragon
The Chinese name of the Clipper hotel is 帆船酒店 = Fan1 Chuan2 Jiu3 Dian4.
Jiu3 Dian4 = hotel.
Lucky hotel = 好运酒店 = Hao3 Yun4 Jiu3 Dian4
Clipper and Lucky are not really within walking distance, not unless you are prepared to walk half an hour.
Use the Chinese name when dealing with local people. Most don't have a clue what the English name of the hotel is (not even senior managers at the hotel!)
As to whether Clipper is such a good deal, it depends. Swanlake hotel = 天鹅湖酒店 = Tian1 E2 Hu2 Jiu3 Dian4 is literally a stone's throw from Clipper.
- Clipper is slightly nicer but also more expensive
- Clipper does include 1 buffet breakfast (2 if you whine long enough). Some guys wake up early enough for this, some don't.
Fillmore St,
Are the girls in ZH that much better? I thought that after all the Saunas got closed down a lot of WG left and went elsewhere. What type of action, price tag and quality of girls are we looking at?
CP does have sheer volume of young girls. BUt I do know that elsewhere the girls are much prettier especially when you go to Shanghai KTVs....but be prepared to drain your wallet as the pricing is 3-5 times more expensive as CP.
How's the pricing in ZH?
AsnDragon
Has CP really become a place for the cheapskates? No wonder the quality of girls are going down hills. Looks like I have not missed much by returning to ZH as the quality there is better then ever, and yes, more expensive, but definitely worth it.
F.
Bob Builder
09-15-10, 04:08
Fillmore St,
Are the girls in ZH that much better? I thought that after all the Saunas got closed down a lot of WG left and went elsewhere. What type of action, price tag and quality of girls are we looking at?
CP does have sheer volume of young girls. BUt I do know that elsewhere the girls are much prettier especially when you go to Shanghai KTVs....but be prepared to drain your wallet as the pricing is 3-5 times more expensive as CP.
How's the pricing in ZH?
AsnDragonI have buddies who work in Macau who party at KTVs in Zhu Hai as the thoery is that you get Macau service and quality at China prices.
Member #4144
09-15-10, 06:00
Fillmore St,
Are the girls in ZH that much better? I thought that after all the Saunas got closed down a lot of WG left and went elsewhere. What type of action, price tag and quality of girls are we looking at?
CP does have sheer volume of young girls. BUt I do know that elsewhere the girls are much prettier especially when you go to Shanghai KTVs....but be prepared to drain your wallet as the pricing is 3-5 times more expensive as CP.
How's the pricing in ZH?
AsnDragonSmall room is quoted 600 and discounted to 500 and mid size room is effectively 600 in the top 3 indepdendently operated ktv, WangFu, JinSha and Dream Paris. There is no need for DJ in ZH, and tip for the server is 20.
Girls all run 2,8,10, so the sitting fee is the same as in CP, just the take home fee higher as you will have a hard time explanning the 8 and usually even ST is LT. Since the sitting fee of 200 is relatively cheap, I can easily sit 4 or 5 girls going solo there, similar to CP in that respect but I dont need to pay for the DJ.
The big difference in SH is that it is a normal city, with its clubs and bars and places to go. I usually take out 2 or 3 girls and leave ktv around 10 and go to a club/bar and hang out until 2am before going back to hotel, it is much more fun for the girls and myself to be having fun OUTSIDE the ktv establishment as the girls feel that they are really hangout out with friends vs working in the ktv room. I dont know where you can take the girls in CP, as it that place is really a dump aside from the k rooms.
The better quality girls usually work in Macau as well, so yes, you are getting Macau quality at China price.
I only do k, so good to see the close down all the SW and sauna etc, as the city is better off. KTV not effected by the recent crack down at all.
Fillmore
I stayed at Virgin Hotel on my recent trip and I would say that the room is fairly comparable to Hui Hua but at a lower rate. It looks almost exactly the same as Hui Hua but not as large. There is no computer or desk but I bring my own computer anyway. The biggest difference is the bathroom. They do not have a stand alone shower. They have a bathtub with a shower curtain and the bath tub is not that deep. I like to get busy with my chica in the shower so this is a big negative for me but I toughed it out.... haha. If this is a dealbreaker for you than go Hui Hua, otherwise I think Virgin is just as good. The free Hui Hua breakfast is also a lot better than the free Virgin breakfast. Although I learned that even through Virgin has the buffet style breakfast you can actually order other items off of the menu such as eggs and they are free as well.
Personally I love Swan Lake Hotel. It's economical and the rooms are almost the same quality as the Penn without the price tag. What's so cool is they give you free breakfast now at the Jing Hao Hong Kong Cafe downstairs. Menu is a bit limited but i love the HK style Milk Teas so that's certainly a plus for me.
In addition Swan Lake's got the new wing that recently opened a few months back and the rooms are quite nice. Bathrooms are smaller but the you can't beat the price anywhere else.
Mayflower rooms are just as good and affordable, the only problem I have with it is it's a bit further down Swan Lake Road than I would prefer. But that's just my personal opinion.
Taoyuan rooms are a bit dated, but in terms of price and size of room it's quite large in my opinion.
I know a lot of people prefer to stay around the town center in Hui Hua and Miraton etc, but I find that the pricing doesn't justify the quality of the rooms. Just my personal opinion.
AsnDragon
I am a huge fan of flower street, if nothing else just for the sheer sensory overload of seeing all the girls lined up for us. While I do enjoy sitting in a room like a king and having the mommies bring in girls for us, there are a lot of times the lineups come in too slow or we keep getting the same batch. I'd rather get to see all the goods first and then pick out the one that I like.
One thing I will do on flower street is take a girl and have her walk with me down flower street. I want to see if she is affectionate while walking with me or does she seem to be happy that I picked her. If she is just kinda lagging behind with an empty look on her face then I give her da boot.
I am happy to see someone else had the same experience! I have never liked the idea of flower street, as you tend to pick the wrong girls this way and not to mention that you must get there way too early, which is not always possible.
From a line up, you can pick a girl to sit and you have 5-15 min to decide if you want that girl. You really need that time to look at her more carefully and chat with her to really find out about her, before you decide to keep her. More often then not, there is a lot more then meet the eyes in the first 2 min.
Fillmore
Bad Boy Billy
09-15-10, 06:49
Well done to all you guys who have gotten this thread back on track.
At the end of the day - ISG is all about the w.hores - nothing else - it's all about the w.hores.
Billy has only been to CP twice - first time OAH showed me around - second time OAH and myself joined a couple of functions arramnged by BSD - including 1 KTV night.
KTV aint really my thing - I am really only into the bar pick-up scene - but the CP BBS where you cut a w.hore or 2 from the herd - take them back to your room - scrub them up before going to work on them really is my thing.
Not speaking a word of Chinese is a bit of a drawback but shit happens huh.
Here are a few pics of the CP w.hores I got to taste first visit.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-15-10, 07:26
Well done to all you guys who have gotten this thread back on track.
At the end of the day - ISG is all about the w.hores - nothing else - it's all about the w.hores.
Billy has only been to CP twice - first time OAH showed me around - second time OAH and myself joined a couple of functions arramnged by BSD - including 1 KTV night.
KTV aint really my thing - I am really only into the bar pick-up scene - but the CP BBS where you cut a w.hore or 2 from the herd - take them back to your room - scrub them up before going to work on them really is my thing.
Not speaking a word of Chinese is a bit of a drawback but shit happens huh.
Here are a few pics of the CP w.hores I got to taste first visit.Awesome pics BBB!!! After all these years I still have yet to do a ménage. Were the girls interactive with one another or was it do one while the other just laid there?
Mit Fo Lfe
09-15-10, 07:27
I am a huge fan of flower street, if nothing else just for the sheer sensory overload of seeing all the girls lined up for us. While I do enjoy sitting in a room like a king and having the mommies bring in girls for us, there are a lot of times the lineups come in too slow or we keep getting the same batch. I'd rather get to see all the goods first and then pick out the one that I like.
One thing I will do on flower street is take a girl and have her walk with me down flower street. I want to see if she is affectionate while walking with me or does she seem to be happy that I picked her. If she is just kinda lagging behind with an empty look on her face then I give her the boot.I agree but I usually perform the interview in the room as you have still have the trial period.
I half Japanese.
I live in Dong Guan city now.
I go party with BS David and 22 ISG friends in 2008.
I only one person in Chan Pin, David tell me join KTV.
I find later party is for Joe birthday.
I and everyone happy all night.
I only find only drink is beer but I only drink beer so OK.
I pay and everyone pay 500yan every person and David take.
I pay my girl, David not pay my girl.
I saw bill only 4000 and some 100.
I calculate, 22 X 500 = 11000.
I think why David take 500 one person only drink beer and bill only 4000 and some 100? So I start party I happy and I end party I not happy.
I never call David again.
Now I go Chan Pin I call some old ISG friends and party.
Now bill come we calculate we pay same everyone.
Now I very happy I not cheat by ISG friends not like David.
Now I see people I tell people not call David.
I only want to tell people I am stupid before and not fight.
I happy to party with anyone but not David.
Everyone don't fight me please and peace.
赤色の日
ありがとう
My favorites, at this point are (in no particular order):
1. Fuhao
2. Mayflower/Taoyuan
3. Eurasia (although the 3-6-9 pricing is something to be considered)
4. Hui Hua - although it's been ages since i've been there...
Any hidden gems out there that arne't on the list... I mean I know we were going to Kancheng for a whlie, have done Li Hao (which was pretty lame), Manhattan (bad reviews from my friends), The Pen (which traditionaly we don't have a good time at).I have to disagree with you on LiHao. For me, it's one of the fun KTVs in CP. I heard from the girls that the sound system and mic are really good, but I wouldn't know as I don't sing. I like the girls and I like the fun. Lots of locals go here and when people can't get a room at nearby Mayflower, they go here. But for me, I've gotten some fun and memorable girls and in-room fun at this KTV.
I also like JinNang. This is one of the very few KTVs where I enjoy selecting two girls to sit with me. The dancing is fun, the games are fun, and I don't think I've encountered girls who put on a bad attitude. Some say the girls are limited, which is true, but as for not as pretty, that's debate-able.
I also like Manhattan. I haven't been there in like 4 months, but I have dropped by a few parties. And the parties were rockin! Dancing and singing and overall fun. But I also like this KTV for small one or two guys hangout. Sometimes you just want to pick a gal and have a small party. I've done this and for me, Manhattan is good for that. Also the gals I picked at Manhattan have been really fun afterwards.
I have to agree with you on the Pen. For some reason, I don't do well there. In-room wise and out of room wise. The girls ARE hot and very pretty to look at. But for some reason a lot of bitchy girls I've seen (from my picks or other guy's picks) have been from Pen. BSDs who throw money freely do VERY well at this KTV haha.
I have to say I don't like Mayflower or Taoyuan. Only been to Tao Yuan once and pretty much didn't like it. Mayflower to me is full of gals I just don't click with. Again, luck of the draw and perhaps I need a few more tries, but when people want to go to Mayflower, I cringe a little. And I don't like the flower street of Mayflower. Too dark, hot, and cramped.
I had fun at Lion KTV, FuHao, Regency KTV, and Eurasia. Never been been to the Virgin or Clipper KTVs. Have to try them soon!
Bob Builder
09-15-10, 08:45
Another kind of a SWINDLER in town.
Guys, be careful, on the main strip, there are a few FAKE IPHONE SWINDLERS roaming around. They usually approach a guy and offer them an Iphone. Usually the new Iphone 4.
They start off their RATE at 2000 RMB and goes down from there. They actually show you a real IPHONE 4. Once you agree to a price with them, say 570RMB or 890RMB. They will tell you that they need to take out their SIM CARD.
While they are taking out the SIM CARD, they will quickly switch the real phone with a FAKE one that looks and feels just like the real one.
Last week, one laowai got ripped off for 1000RMB that he paid to this PHONE SWINDLER and ended up wiht a fake. I am sure others have been affected as well.
I just hope that anyone who reads this doesn't fall for their SWINGIN little business.
I guess this problem is not new, its everywhere in china and even in HONG KONG.
PLAY SAFE, PLAY SMART, don't hand over your money to just anyone.
WEST.Anyone who falls for this type of scam is a victim of their own greed. Currently it is virtually impossible to buy a brand new iphone 4 from an authorized dealer without waiting at least 3 weeks. They sell on the grey / 2nd hand market for over RMB7000 which is above their list price of RMB5xxx and these type of good are more expensive in China than outside in places such as Hong Kong even though they are made in Dongguan / Shenzhen.
So you will find that the buyer is willing to buy them as they think they are "stolen genuine goods". Why else would you buy something so hi-tech from so shifty guy that walks up to you in the street or at McDs?
OldAsiaHand
09-15-10, 12:36
I party with BSD... and I will likely eventually try the Lucky 508 deal to see what it's all about because I'm all about TOFT... however, the only thing I WON't TOFT is... and OAH is more a man than I am for this is CATACOMBS...
The seniors know what I'm talking about... ugh! I shudder at the thought.
Anyways... enough said... I think all the NEWBIES and folks KNOW exactly
Jetsetter,
An esteemed member of this forum asked me to show him the Catacombs a couple of months ago. We took a walk through and there was nothing. Not one girl, not one handler, Nothing.
So, I am afraid you no longer have the opportunity to TOFT after all.
OAH
Mit Fo Lfe
09-15-10, 12:50
Jetsetter,
An esteemed member of this forum asked me to show him the Catacombs a couple of months ago. We took a walk through and there was nothing. Not one girl, not one handler, Nothing.
So, I am afraid you no longer have the opportunity to TOFT after all.
OAHI remember when we first made the trek through the catacombs...it was definitely an eye opening experience! Not sure to be happy or sad that it has shut down?
Jetsetter,
An esteemed member of this forum asked me to show him the Catacombs a couple of months ago. We took a walk through and there was nothing. Not one girl, not one handler, Nothing.
So, I am afraid you no longer have the opportunity to TOFT after all.
OAHI was there last week around 8:00pm. I was with another ISG guy and we did a quick tour. He too has never been to the Catacombs. We saw I believe were 3-4 girls but I am not 100% since we never talked with these girls. These young girls were just standing around in front of doors is the only reason I think they were WG.
I also thought OWL got his thread so that he could express his exaggerated opinions more without all the remarks from others.
I forgot to add Cali Red onto my list. Back in the days, they had so many hot looking girls from dongbei. I had one that passed out drunk, never got in touch with her as she changed her cell number.
AsnDragonShe was a great lay! Sucked like a champ and brought her friend. Too bad you missed our. Skinny girl.
Just kidding. She was such a cutie. never figured out if she did that unpurpose or she just sucked at judging how much she could drink. I remember being impressed at how much she could drink until she tossed.!!
My favorites, at this point are (in no particular order):
1. Fuhao
2. Mayflower/Taoyuan
3. Eurasia (although the 3-6-9 pricing is something to be considered)
4. Hui Hua. Although it's been ages since I've been there.
I also don't like how Eurasia has gone away from the flower street. Part of the reason why I haven't gone back to Hui Hwa is the lack of the flower street. THe mommies have some sort of system of picking that doesn't let you see all the girls. That's just ridiculous.
Anywhere else guys? Any hidden gems out there that arne't on the list. I mean I know we were going to Kancheng for a whlie, have done Li Hao (which was pretty lame), Manhattan (bad reviews from my friends), The Pen (which traditionaly we don't have a good time at).
-JVirgin. I also had a good time at Virgin the two times I went there and the girls were fun.. Do they still go braless?
Li Hao. Sucks ugly girls and poor service from them
Manhattan. Hit or miss. There are some good girls there, rooms are old and low ceilings (caves) with old equipment.
Mayflower. Somehow I dislike the KTV, and the rooms. But the sheer quantity seems that I have found two of my all time favorites there, but also one of my worst. (worst was CP)
Crown prince. CP. Way downhill, overcharge for everything mommies beg for tips, the flower street used to be good before all the good girls left for Eurasia (more customers)
Pen. Girls usually not good if you remember that time with 10-12 guys only able to choose 1 girl or less after 15 lineups.
Hui Hua. I think the best looking rooms, but the girls have not been good there for nearly 2 years. Best sauna but bad KTV.
Eurasia. Recently pretty good, but I agree the flower street leveled the playing field and if you were there at the flower time you had a good shot at your choice. With room to room if you aren't a huge regular you get leftovers. Last time I had to go hunt the hallways before I found one.
Fuhao. I like fuhao alot. The rooms are comfortable, english songs, good beer, but. The girl quality varies. And since they stopped stripping I think the attitude has gotten worse. Good thing is that all the girls will go out there without hesitation, but I think this has increased the stinky pussy ratio as a number of brothers have reported stinky incidents recently (perhaps due to going with customer every night).
Fast Eddie 48
09-15-10, 22:41
If money is such an issue you guys should avoid going to KTV altogether. Just go a supermarket, buy a few cases of beer and squat outside the entrance of the KTV drinking. At lets say RMB4 a bottle, thats 60+ bottles of beer you can drink for the same price as an "all you can drink deal" No agents at all! Who the feck sings at these places anyway?Bob,
I do agree with Bob most HK monger don't care about over paid a few buck as long they have a good time, if you a cheap charlie go to the catacomb and get your cheap thrill, everyone get rip off even myself you go to KTV to have fun and not worry about getting rip off.
Fast Eddie 48
Bob Builder
09-16-10, 02:21
Finally someone posts a good idea! Sounds like my kind of party! Just grab a gang of ktv rejects, take 'em back to a cheap hotel room, crank up some rock 'n roll and then fuck the shit out of 'em. Cheap and yet priceless!
Who the fuck wants to drink fake wine and listen crap love songs anyway.With 60 bottles of beer, that should be enough for 10, some are known to be twocanners. How about do a deal with a BBS, book 1 hotel room and play drinking games at the BBS with winners or losers taking turns to use the room with the winning or losing gals?
I did this in a private room in a restaurant in SZ a few years back where some guys were doing the gals in the room while the rest watched. It cost me just over RMB1500 including the cost of the gals who were willing to screw in the room while everyone else watched. This naked KTV shit is boring, real partying involves guys drinking beer pour over a nice young snatch.
If money is such an issue you guys should avoid going to KTV altogether. Just go a supermarket, buy a few cases of beer and squat outside the entrance of the KTV drinking. At lets say RMB4 a bottle, thats 60+ bottles of beer you can drink for the same price as an "all you can drink deal" No agents at all! Who the feck sings at these places anyway?At a few hotels I have stayed at, I have noticed guys renting/staying at large suite to party for a day or two. They would buy food and drinks at a local market. A few times, I have also noticed food being delivered. They would call mommies for for a lineup. They would do the girls in an adjacent bedroom or bathroom. Overall, it is much much cheaper than going to a KTV to sing and drink.
The negative part, something the party gets out of hand. There is too much noise and loud music. Too many people coming and going from the suite. I have noticed half naked girls when people are coming and going opening their door. Sometimes hotel security has to be called in when the party gets out of hand.
Poorbutthappy
09-16-10, 03:22
I have been a lurker on this board for many years and did not want to spend $20 to become a posting member but I could not resist and took the plunge and paid $20 so I can reply to your post. $20 may not be a lot of money to majority of the people on this board but it is to me and I save money all year long to make a trip or two to CP, Macau, and Zhuhai, etc. I am an ABC and can speak Mandarin pretty well and can get by with Cantonese. I am mostly into BBS action but have party with BSD a few times and I have nothing bad to say about BSD but only good things. But at the same time, I did not know there were other cheaper options available as I would have definitely gone with cheaper options as I said before, I am not a rich guy or a high earning patent lawyer or anything like that. I am a blue collar worker.
I would also like to thank some members for pointing out other cheaper, all you can drink options. I for sure will definitely use cheaper options. I also don't like to stay at the Clipper hotel, too expensive for my taste I don't bring girls back so all I really need is a bed to sleep on as I do most of my business in BBS. Any cheaper hotel options in CP beside Clipper?
I goto Dong Guan
I go party with Lucky 508 Room
I only one person in Chan Pin, Lucky 508 tell me join KTV.
I and everyone happy all night.
I only find only drink is beer but I only drink beer so OK.
I pay and everyone pay 1000 yuan every person and Lucky take.
I pay my girl.
I saw bill only 4000 and some 100.
I think why Lucky508 take 1000 me only only drink beer and bill only 4000 and some 100? So I start party I happy and I end party I not happy.
I never call Lucky again.
Now I go Chan Pin I call some old ISG friends and party.
Now bill come we calculate we pay same everyone.
Now I very happy I not cheat by ISG friends not like Lucky508.
Now I see people I tell people not call Lucky 508.
I only want to tell people I am stupid before and not fight.
I happy to party with anyone but not Lucky 508.
Everyone don't fight me please and peace.
Henry Link
09-16-10, 06:29
Hello BSDavid,
I wasn't going to comment again but after I read Red Sun's report. I have to say that, I too feel cheated by you. I paid 890RMB for drinking beer with you and the other 9 guys that was there. Including you, there were 10 guys in the room. I went back to taoyan again a few nights later and the group I was with, we must have drank alot more than what everybody drank with you. The total bill for 8 people was 2880 RMB. Everyone paid 360RMB each for Taoyan.
With you Mr BSDavid, when you charged us 890rmb each, you are saying that bill was over 8000rmb for the three hours or so that we drank beer. I remember asking you why the bill was so expensive, you commented that Taoyan is the most expensive KTV in town, that why it was so expensive. I didn't think too much of it at that time.
Even though, I had a good time with the girls at your party and also at the other parties with other people. I am really disappointed that, I was taken by you. I feel cheated. I will not recommend anyone to visit you.
This International Sex forum has been a great tool for me to do research and find where to do morgering. I just wish, someone would have warned me of BSDavid. The other ISGer that I went to Mr BSDavid's party with, I am sure he will have something to say about this too. I have yet to talk to him.
James, if you are reading this, you should comment. I had a great time with your group. I know you mentioned that you read this forum once in a while. I hope you would comment as I know you have years of experience in South China.
I hope to return in Feb or March, and I hope that I don't get cheated like this again. I am surprised that Mr BSDavid is recommended by ISG member. Are the Senior members who are recommending Mr BSDavid all in on his business?
Henry Link
After hearing about Lucky 508 I went to try their services
They told me it would be 300rmb
When the bill came, it was 900Rmb
THey wouldn't let me leave until I paid the bill.
So much for an honest guide
Don't trust Lucky 508!
Just a quick report of CP. I made my first visit back in early August. I guess it was during one of those crack down periods but I didn't really see girls and mamasan running for cover. I gather from Bruce that Sanuas are a bit more cautious and KTV girls won't do things like nude singing or other funny business inside the establishment. It was my first trip to happy land and my experience was everything you guys have been saying over the years- girls dashing from one hotel to another openly, meat-market like BBS, KTV and flower street, saunas with lines and lines of girls. My experience was pretty much identical to that of cunning linguist and he did a great job explaining everything. I'll add the following:
1) I contacted Dave and asked him to book me a room in the Clipper Hotel, nice hotel by the way. He was out of town during those few days I was there but his pal Bruce took care of me. KTV, foot massage, touring the BBS in 35 plus temperature (thanks Bruce for doing that). I never paid them anything except for the room/ booze for KTV and they never asked me to fork out anything.
2) I only stayed in the Clipper for my stay but I was very happy with it. A little bit more than 300 RMB per night for a big room, big bed, nice bathroom and enough space for two girls in the shower. Friendly staff and clean room. Best of all, it is within easy reach of two clusters of BBS (unless they move again). The hotel has a KTV, a sauna, and also close to the Swan Lake hotel/ KTV/ sauna. If you don't feel like it exploring, you can just stay in the building and enjoy yourself.
3) BBS- unless you really know your way around town, I'd recommend you hook up with someone more experienced. There are mamasans everywhere starting from around 3pm to 11 pm and they all try to take you to their nests- inevitably in some shady neighborhoods. I thought BBS in CP was like those in Shanghai. Not so! You basically go to different rooms secluded behind steel doors to see and pick your girls. You follow the wrong one and bad things can easily happen.
4) BBS girls- I only tried one BBS girl and had the misfortune to pick the wrong one. Should have taken my time to pick and talk to the girls instead of listening to the mamasan. The girl had a great body but zero attitude.
5) Sauna- I only tried the one in the Clipped and was mightily disappointed. I kept hearing this "DG-style sauna experience" and expected a little too much. The girls selection was great but the services left something to be desired. I am used to the Shanghai way where the girl takes her time giving you the basic routine and focusing on making you relaxed and happy. I went to the Clipper sauna for a couple of time and found that the girls just try to rush through a 30 plus items routine. I was also disappointed with the facility (at least the ones in the Clipper sauna). Smallish soapie waterbed and the whole room just ain't comfortable. I guess the only plus was that I had two solid hours instead of the 60-80 minutes in Shanghai. Bruce warned me not to ask the sauna girls to do their things up in my hotel room but I found the experience to be slightly better. I didn't manage to hang out with some of those girls, sort of a filler in between the actions.
6) KTV- I am not much of a KTV person and have very limited experience with it. Bruce took me to Fuhao to party with a couple of ISG guys. The company was great but I was somewhat overwhelmed with the flower street experience. The girl I ended up with has a great body, gave me a total GFE experience while being totally lazy at the same time. I am used to the "in-and-out" experience of sauna so I enjoyed the experience of unrushed sex.
7) CP is pretty much dead from morning until the time the BBS opens at 2 to 3 pm. There's still the saunas but nothing quite beat BBS for cost and selection.
8) I was told that BBS closes down but around 11pm. For late night action, one can try the sauna (and quite possibly brave a huge crowd, especially from Friday to Sunday) or some sort of sleazy night market/ street walker scene. I wasn't completely clear with it and never follow up on that.
Have fun. Cheers
Sukhumvitter
09-16-10, 15:40
I went to MeiBo sauna in CP the other day. First sauna I've been to with a flower street. Very nice. No groups of girls coming into your room, just a long line of beauties to chat with, flirt with, and try to make a connection with before making a choice.
Oh, but you guys probably are too busy with your argument to hear about some girls. LOL
To all of the non-argumentative guys reading this. Fight the dominance of the arguing minority by posting some girl-related stuff.
Here's mine:
1. MeiBo sauna, not part of a hotel. Just a stand-alone sauna
At the end the Swan Lake road, just before the TaiYuan hotel/KTV turn right (when coming from the Swan Lake Hotel). It's the last right turn before the bridge. There is a driveway and a parking area. Door is off the parking area. Girls all line up in a hallway and you can walk up and down the line chatting and flirting. Prices are 400, 550, and 600. They have on different costumes for the different pricing. Nice rooms and great service (you can do 2 hours/3 pops). Highly recommended.
2. Night market seems dead. One mommy moved her girls over to the building across the parking lot from the Manhattan apartments. It's a room in the KTV building. The mommy stands outside, then brings you to the 3d floor. Same pricing as before.
3. Alot of BBS have moved to the Swan Lake street from the YaLan area. Only one remains around the YaLan hotel (the one above the restaurant).
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled argument. LOL
Double Fly
09-16-10, 16:11
I think this is a good time to post my first report.
I've been going to CP 2 to 3 times a month for the past six months, and I've partied with BSD every time. He's great at running a party, and manages to make things fun for veterans and newbies alike. Even the WGs seem to enjoy Dave's parties. He has connections with managers and mommies at all the popular KTVs, so it's always comfortable for the bros and there's no fear of getting ripped off.
Any conflicts that arise are resolved by BSD, and I believe they are mostly resolved to the satisfaction of all involved. On a couple of occasions I've had problems with girls trying to rip me off for money or lack of service once we're back in my hotel room... a phone call to BSD is all it took to get things settled, and with a happy ending to boot.
I usually pay around 350 for a KTV party. I don't remember ever paying more than 400. I've heard of people paying more if they drink expensive booze or eat a lot of food at the KTV, but I haven't attended a party like that.
As for hotels, when I stayed at the Clipper I booked through Dave and paid the hotel directly, so there was no chance that Dave took any cut other than the commission paid to him by the hotel. He's listed his fees openly in his classified ad on ISG. Read the ad and you'll know what you're going to pay when you do things through BSD:
http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1063042
With the nonsense that's been going on in this forum the past week or so, we've yet to see a senior ISG member say anything negative about BSD. Most people who party with him can't wait to get back to CP. I've been trying to take a break from CP, but talking about it now, I can't wait to go back.
See you soon, bros.
Member #3429
09-16-10, 16:14
BBS,
There are three BBS right in front of Swan Lake Hotel. The Mamasan's are usually standing right across the street from Swan lake hotel by the food stand there. They will take you down the alleyway to a closed room with girls in it.
The rate are usual. 200rmb for Short stay. Usually they offer 1 shot, 2 hours max. but you can work out 2 to 3 shots in goal and 4 hour time if you negotiate before you pay the money.
There are two more BBS right beside Clipper hotel. If you come out of Clipper hotel, turn right and around the corner, you will see a Mamasen standing around. If you don't see anyone there, just work around the corner towards behind the Clipper hotel. You will see a BIG massage place with girls standing at the entrance, the BBS entrance is right beside that on the right hand side.
Just incase you don't see a mamasan at any of these place, just wait around for a few minutes, they most likely are showing off their girls to some customer. They go back and forth often between the road and the BBS.
Important Note: If you don't want to walk with the girl. Just pay the MAMASAN the 100RMB and tell her the room number of your hotel room and ask her to show up 15 minutes later. Make sure to give MAMASAN the room number and the EXACT time you want the girl to show up. I have done this several times and it has worked like a charm.
All the best and play safe.
2. Night market seems dead. One mommy moved her girls over to the building across the parking lot from the Manhattan apartments. It's a room in the KTV building. The mommy stands outside, then brings you to the 3d floor. Same pricing as before.
3. Alot of BBS have moved to the Swan Lake street from the YaLan area. Only one remains around the YaLan hotel (the one above the restaurant).The Night Market as most know it, across from the Hospital, has been closed for like 3 months now. Yes, they moved across the parking lot from Manhattan Apts of the KTV building as you said. This was reported a while ago. Did you see the girls? I went over 10 times and seen that most nights had like 10 girls. What's also new is since it is a KTV on the 2nd floor, the 3rd floor are hotel rooms. So for an extra 20 rmb, you can do the girl in the room. Total of 150 rmb. I liked the girls. I enjoy the night market and had some very fun girls.
If you do decide to take her back to your hotel, this is more adviseable, but the mommy may still insist on 150 rmb. 50 to the mommy and 100 to the girl.
Thanks for the update on the BBSs over at Yalan. Interesting how the other two moved.
Jettsetter
09-16-10, 18:47
Lol...I do remember a girl that you went up to but I don't remember what she looked like. Drag eh??? Lmao!!!! Did you get my txt the last day? I've seen someone pick up a girl while we were in a taxi stuck in traffic. However he didn't get to do her ... Jettsetter did her!! Jett...remember your bday last year and the first girl after you arrived??You guys got her number and asked me to call her. I called her and had her come over for a quicky. She was REALLY BAD IN BED. Dang. I think that the lack of getting to know a chick really makes it a crapshoot how good a session will be.
Maybe that's why I prefer KTV's because I can work on them a bit and butter them up a bit.
A cold call right to bed, usually spells a bad time. But there are generally exceptions to the rule.
-J
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Mit Fo Lfe
09-16-10, 18:52
You guys got her number and asked me to call her. I called her and had her come over for a quicky... she was REALLY BAD IN BED... Dang... I think that the lack of getting to know a chick really makes it a crapshoot how good a session will be...
Maybe that's why I prefer KTV's because I can work on them a bit and butter them up a bit...
A cold call right to bed, usually spells a bad time... but there are generally exceptions to the rule.
J
ANYBODY HAVE ANY LUCK WITH RANDOM GIRLS ON THE STREET?? I.E. ASKING FOR THEIR NUMBER AND TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING MEMORABLE?
TAKES BALLS THOUGH...Well she was hot and we couldn't really interview her. I just know she looked great walking on the street and keep in mind we were already in a taxi. Yes typically not something one would normally do but never know unless you try!
Jettsetter
09-16-10, 19:03
Is it just me, or do you guys agree that seeing a girl on her own - she always looks better than when they are lined up against a bunch of other girls. I mean let's take away the obvious 10's that will blow all girls away.. .but in general, the 7's, 8's, don't look like 7's and 8's in a line-up and look way better when they are on their own or walking down the hall??
Is it just a relativity thing?
J
well she was hot and we couldn't really interview her. I just know she looked great walking on the street and keep in mind we were already in a taxi. Yes typically not something one would normally do but never know unless you try!
I saw a girl in the Clipper Elevator one morning. She was tall and leggy, not someone I'd pick or attempt to hit up on. I did tho, from a dare. I got her number while we were in the elevator going up. She was most likely going to see a customer but at 11 am in the morning.
Texted her all day.
Had her come over to my room at 5 pm. She was on her way to work at Jia Yi. We chatted and SEAJ even came over to take a look. He left, saying she was unimpressive. I guess I really do suck at picking girls. Messed around, got her to bed, without shower we played on the bed. Tall thin n' leggy. no breasts and a bit dark. Made her wet, capped, and did her. DFK and for some reason, her legs were really nice to have around my waist.
Afterwards, paid her 500 and she left. Went to a party and I somehow got another hot and wild gal to sit with me. Doc was loving her and even got to play with her snatch. But I wasn't as horny so I was kinda subdued in the room. Aftwerwards, had a good overnighter with her. She was darn good. I've never had such a partier in the KTV room so that's kinda rare for me. Most of my gals are boring but affectionate. It seems girls won't go wild with me. I'm too vanilla.
But that was a good day.
5) Sauna- I only tried the one in the Clipped and was mightily disappointed.I also don't like the Clipper sauna before and after the 'renovation' I would have recommended Virgin (call ahead and reserve LARGE room, much better than small rooms) or Huihua for a better experience. Miraton is also quite good and you can call Simon there if you need english speaker - Simon also is good at not letting you pick bad girls - he will if you ask write the good numbers down as the girls come in.
Sauna in CA is supposedly better. I say that because every time i try to go there they are closed. I have heard good things from many different people.
I saw a girl in the Clipper Elevator one morning.The elevator was still working with all that rain?
JK brother.
I have been to Hui Hua sauna when they had a flower street. That was a few years back so they may not have it anymore. It was something like 7 pm on weekends only.
Why do you say Meibo sauna is best? Hot girls? Hot service? Kinky positions?
I went to MeiBo sauna in CP the other day. First sauna I've been to with a flower street. Very nice. No groups of girls coming into your room, just a long line of beauties to chat with, flirt with, and try to make a connection with before making a choice.
Oh, but you guys probably are too busy with your argument to hear about some girls. LOL
To all of the non-argumentative guys reading this... fight the dominance of the arguing minority by posting some girl-related stuff. :-)
Here's mine:
1 - MeiBo sauna, not part of a hotel. Just a stand-alone sauna
At the end the Swan Lake road, just before the TaiYuan hotel/ktv turn right (when coming from the Swan Lake Hotel). It's the last right turn before the bridge. There is a driveway and a parking area. Door is off the parking area. Girls all line up in a hallway and you can walk up and down the line chatting and flirting. Prices are 400, 550, and 600. They have on different costumes for the different pricing. Nice rooms and great service (you can do 2 hours/3 pops). highly recommended.
2 - night market seems dead. One mommy moved her girls over to the building across the parking lot from the Manhattan apartments. It's a room in the KTV building. The mommy stands outside, then brings you to the 3d floor. Same pricing as before...
3 - Alot of BBS have moved to the Swan Lake street from the YaLan area. Only one remains around the YaLan hotel (the one above the restaurant).
Ok, back to our regularly scheduled argument. LOL
Jettsetter
09-17-10, 06:50
October is usually a kind of crazy month in CP from previous experience. Although there's always play to be found, I think that some you need to take into consideration the following:
GZ Fair - usually hotel rooms are hard to book (so book early), and the hotels all jack up rates. I have personal experience form this.. Clipper went up from their normal rates up by like 30 rmb from what I remember per night... HH jacks it up as well, and they have weekday vs. weekend rates too... (be sure to call and reserve using a discount code - PM me for what to say when you call in).
GZ Games - the word on the street is it might impact crackdowns (and remember October 1 is their national holiday)... crackdowns and sweeps may affect some K's during this time so again... be aware that this is possibility. I don't know for sure if anything will happen, but it always seems that with big events, they like to do some cleanup to show the yare getting things done.
October stands to have lots of dudes and competition all the way around. Hunt safe and have fun.
-J
Jettsetter
09-17-10, 12:38
Mongering Tools
I've been now coming to CP since 02 - back in the days of Lion and Amazon (as those were the only two gigs in town). Still worth coming to...
Personally, I'm cool in terms of speaking, but not in terms of writing/reading, and recently have really adopted various tools to help my mongering out.
The first tool I adopted was the blackberry which allowed me to cut and paste text and utilize a some translators to undersatnd what was being texted to me.
AS most of you know, the art of texting is very necessary in accumulating more tail in China. Girls text like crazy and would rather text than call often because the costs are so much lower.
To do well, texting is key... However, I had the common problem of not undersatnd what the heck was being tested. - enter the iphone/blackberry to help with the translation and the texting skills. I now exclusively use the iphone and endorse it as the ultimate mongering tool...
First off, the iphone has a std. simplified chinese keyboard. When I had the blackberry I had to install the language packet which took me FOREVER to find and update... finally did through an HK Mobile site, but it took literally hours. Iphone is already set up for simplified and pinyin is easy on it (although the keyboard still is a pain at times).
Now wit hthe ability to text, the next step is knowing what the heck is being typed and how to type. Obviously this is where your limited mandarin skills can come in but if you're like me, proficient and speaking, but not so at reading and writing, the iphone is a godsend. I can now take text messages, and flip them over to a pinyin based message with a definition. There are some apps that help you with this.
I know freepeaks knows of a good app, which I purchased but now cant' remember the name of it. It utilizes the "mytranslator" type of translation but ALSO Gives you the pinyin pronunciation for every word as its written.
Now that I've been utilizing the iphone, my mandarin recognition and pinyin have improved dramatically. I can now successfully navigate simple messages without even a translator.
If you're planning on mongering more than once in china, then I suggest getting yourself an iphone. Oh don't forget, to utilize the iphone successfully you'll need to open a data plan to have immediate internet access. Theo nly program I found requires internet access to work.
Another program which is more cumbersome and FREE on the Iphone is called "Dianhua" - a chinese dictionary which gives pinyin, but it is not as smooth as the other programs I have to translate.
In addition to the translation stuff, the iphone has a great camera and video for other fun... obviously mongers already are aware of the use of cameras in their journey down the path.
I also utilize the currency / measurement conversions, and have some chinese games set up to play. This has helped me get in good with the girls for various reasons.
The last tool I'll mention is QQ. I can say without a doubt, getting familiar with girls on QQ after meeting the and not even doing them gives you 10 times better service when you see them after chatting with them over a period of time... to me familiarity is key to getting great service for lots of girls.
OF course, there are exceptions to the rule, but that's my take.
Now let's move on!
-J
Member #3429
09-17-10, 20:10
KTV in Xiamen,
I was attending this Wedding party Xiamen and afterward everyone went out for KTV. We had to book two KTV rooms because there were a lot of people. One room had 28 people and the other room had 25 people.
We drank until almost 3 am in the morning. From around 10pm till 3am. Everybody was drinking. We were all drinking beer. Eating snacks and fruits plates. Several people were throwing up as they drank too much.
The bill for one room was 1800 and the other room was 1370 RMB.
That's what is standard in china. Its a little more expensive in Shanghai and Beijing but CHANGPING is not more expensive then Xiamen.
Changping also makes money from girls where most KTV's around china just make it from the KTV rooms and drinks.
LUCKY 508's KTV CHARGES:
Actual LUCKY CUSTOMER REPORT!:
JIN LANG : 570 RMB for drinking beer for two hours.
TAOYUAN: 890 RRM for drinking beer for a few hours.
If you want an extra GIRL, that would be wooo whoo chi ching another 300RMB please. Oh by the way, extra for DJ, fruit, and extra extra for listening to LUCKY CRAP music for the few hours. Grow a dick man and go f a tree.
Mr. SUN visited the same KTV a few nights later with other guides (not BSD)
And guess what, he paid 360RMB and 320RMB for a BETTER SERVICE. wow, what a surprise.
LUCKY 508....well at that party, people got ripped off, over 7,000RMB.
Member #3429
09-18-10, 09:09
Regal Palace hotel is girl friendly. You will have no problem bringing girls in there. one, two, three or however many you want. haha.
Now, where to find the girls. Ask tell bell boy, he will hook you up. Or you could visit the nearby bbs. There is a few nearby and pick your girls from there and bring them back. The price for BBS girls in that area is around 150 to 200 for single shot. If you want overnight, it would be 400. Some even charge 500. Now these are BBS girls not KTV. KTV would be higher for overnight. You don't need to stay in KTV if you really don't want to, you can go pick the girl and take her outwith you to your room. Usuaully the KTV's don't like but they will let you do it as they want to make money any way possible. KTV girls would be 800 to 900 for the overnight stay. She will stay till 11am to 12noon. And you CAN shagg her as many times as possible.
Just double check what they consider overnight. As some think that if you shagg them twice, thats overnight. Let them know ahead of time, at least 4 to 5 rounds even if you don't do it so they know that they can't leave unless you are done.
I just remembered, one the managers name is Justin. He is a white guy. If you talk to him, he will hook you up with what you are looking for, that is if he is still there. You don't have private message or I would have sent you his phone number.
Dear friends,
I'm travelling to Houjie next week; somebody knows if it is possible to get one or two nice girls at Regal Palace Hotel, and how much would that be for the night? Is it safe? is it possible without having to go to a BBS or a KTV? Do I have to check the girl's age?
Thank you in advance, best regards,
Keyser
One Eyed Man
09-18-10, 12:12
I went back to CP the last weekend. First of all, the taxi drivers at the train station have become even more predatoryone wanted 40 kuai to take me to the Clipper. NFW!
I met up with BSD and we ended going to the Fu Hao two nights in a row. This has certain pluses and minuses. Some people here have written its their fav KTV. Maybe because Im new, they seem about the same to me. Certainly the Fu Hao is comfortable, and the flower street downstairs is mind-blowing.
Friday night, Fu Hao. I picked one petite cutie and another more full-figured gal with an amazing smile. In the room, we mostly placed dice games all night. The only monger I was really got to know was the Cunning Linguist. And is he! We talked in Portuguese, French, and if you bring up a language he knows (and they are many), he will demonstrate his knowledge to you. Good time. We ended the evening playing Bing Bang Ah, which is just a device to get the girls drunk, since people just can never get it right. Call it Bing Bang Drink! Since the petite girl was trying harder (its great when you make the girls compete for your attention), I took her home, and the other girl looked really disappointed (more on this in a bit.) I took the girl out for lunch, and she told me a sob story about how she hated her job and was going back to her hometown that day.
Saturday I met the gang at Pozolim (Bao Zu Lin in Pinyin), which sounds like Russian or something and is across from the Miraton. This is a HUGE foot massage place. There was one common room with maybe 30 people getting foot massages, watching TV. There were about four of us in a room getting massages, chatting with the girls. I think food is included with the price. I wanted a body massage and got a massage girl who was a bit odd. Fair warning: they take oil and rub it INSIDE your butt crack, but they do tickle your balls in the process.
Saturday night, back to the Fu Hao. I think its a better idea to spread it around and not hit the same place twice in a row, but thats where the party was. I had gotten the second girls cell phone number, and I asked her to meet us in the room. I realized I needed a second girl, so I went downstairs to grab one, who was wearing one of those cute sailor outfits where they show a lot of cleavage, but the turned out to be lame. Who did I see there but the girl from the previous night, who had gone home that day? Later on, her mamasan tried to have her sit with me, but Dave helped me avoid getting stuck with the charge.
The vibe the second night was quite different, with the music supplied by BSDs iPod. (The Fu Hao was showing this awesome video of all the nipple slips from various fashion shows.) There were some girls that came into the room that started getting a little wild. There were a also couple of guys that really wanted to drink, but Dave put them on their own bill. BTW, each time the tab was 3-400 RMB. I also ended picking up Daves foot massage bill. Big deal. When I took the second girl home, she was awesome in bed, however I sensed she was still hurt that I had rejected her the night before, so I think the was holding back. I will look for her next time, but these girls come and go a lot.
I'm based in Zhuhai and do most of my partying there, but I've have been to CP a few times and got to hang out at KTV with a few of the senior members. I won't say that I enjoyed everyone's company, but I did have a great time time there and was helped out by all. I certainly don't think that I was ripped off by anyone, in fact I thought it was too cheap. I've also met up with many of them in ZH for a beer or two, and discussed the ins and outs of our hobby. The whole idea of this forum is to help one another out. I understand that you want to ensure a good deal for everybody, but hurling abuse at all and sundry is not the way to win friends and influence people. Shut your mouth for a month or so, and give the guys a chance to try out your deal. If it's as good as you claim, then good reports will follow. Just remember that when you're shopping for apples, you can't compare the price of lemons. By the way, I hope your offer of paying for the first KTV is for real. I might bring a few friends with me, if you can put your money where your mouth is. Please feel free to visit ZH and party with us any time. KTV is not just about mongering, it's about guys being guys and enjoying good times together, taking home a girl or two at the end of the night is the icing on the cake.
Cheers
Hello,
I will come to Dongguan early of October for the first time and am looking for quality girls and service. I don't mind to pay a bit more.
Which sauna is the best?
And which bar can we have a good choice of beauty?
By the way, has the crackdown around China affected Dongguan?
Thanks for the advice!
Greetings Everyone,
I recently cleaned up this thread by deleting a number of off-topic and otherwise worthless posts, as well as a number responses made by other forum members to these deleted posts.
This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
In addition, I have taken the following actions:
1. To deter possible future subterfuge, I have reverted "West Wind" back to his former username "Jason1831" and set his file so that he is no longer eligible to change his username in the future. In addition, I have place Jason1831 FKA West Wind on Permanent Moderated status.
2. To deter possible future subterfuge, I have reverted Peter Pan 2009 fka Captain Solo back to his former username One Wing Low and set his file so that he is no longer eligible to change his username in the future. In addition, I have place One Wing Low on Permanent Moderated status.
3. I have place Usbomber123 on Permanent Moderated status.
Thanks,
Jackson
Greetings Everyone,
On further review, after reading and cleaning up this thread...
1. I have permanently banned Jason1831 fka West Wind for threatening another member with violence, to wit:
Just let me know when you are coming down. And when we do meet, I am gonna stick a chopstick up your ass.2. I have moved One Wing Low fka Peter Pan 2009 fka Captain Solo to his own thread titled "One Wing Low in China". Those of you wishing to join him in his discussions there are welcome to do so.
Thanks,
Jackson
Thanks Jackson.
Greetings Everyone,
On further review, after reading and cleaning up this thread...
1. I have permanently banned Jason1831 fka West Wind for threatening another member with violence, to wit:
2. I have moved Peter Pan 2009 fka Captain Solo to his own thread titled "Peter Pan 2009 in China". Those of you wishing to join him in his discussions there are welcome to do so.
Thanks,
Jackson
Jettsetter
09-19-10, 20:19
Hello BSDavid,
I wasn't going to comment again but after I read Red Sun's report. I have to say that, I too feel cheated by you. I paid 890RMB for drinking beer with you and the other 9 guys that was there. Including you, there were 10 guys in the room. I went back to taoyan again a few nights later and the group I was with, we must have drank alot more than what everybody drank with you. The total bill for 8 people was 2880 RMB. Everyone paid 360RMB each for Taoyan.
With you Mr BSDavid, when you charged us 890rmb each, you are saying that bill was over 8000rmb for the three hours or so that we drank beer. I remember asking you why the bill was so expensive, you commented that Taoyan is the most expensive KTV in town, that why it was so expensive. I didn't think too much of it at that time.
Even though, I had a good time with the girls at your party and also at the other parties with other people. I am really disappointed that, I was taken by you. I feel cheated. I will not recommend anyone to visit you.
This International Sex forum has been a great tool for me to do research and find where to do morgering. I just wish, someone would have warned me of BSDavid. The other ISGer that I went to Mr BSDavid's party with, I am sure he will have something to say about this too. I have yet to talk to him.
James, if you are reading this, you should comment. I had a great time with your group. I know you mentioned that you read this forum once in a while. I hope you would comment as I know you have years of experience in South China.
I hope to return in Feb or March, and I hope that I don't get cheated like this again. I am surprised that Mr BSDavid is recommended by ISG member. Are the Senior members who are recommending Mr BSDavid all in on his business?
Henry LinkHenry, I saw your post. When were you in town that this happened? I tried to PM you but you're obviously not a member, so I'd like to find out if this is legit, or someone who is making up this story, because if you say you had 10 guys in your group, I'm VERY interested to know when this happened.
With 10 guys, I've never heard of a bill this high unless you guys went high roller on the activities (which I'v heard of, in giving girl prizes, having contests, etc.)
Who were the other 10 guys in the room? All your buddies or other random guys?
I'm just interested ot know because if it's true, then something's not right without a good explanation. Give us more details so we can see if this is legit.
J
Mit Fo Lfe
09-19-10, 20:29
Hello,
I will come to Dongguan early of October for the first time and am looking for quality girls and service. I don't mind to pay a bit more.
Which sauna is the best?
And which bar can we have a good choice of beauty?
By the way, has the crackdown around China affected Dongguan?
Thanks for the advice!I'd say stick with Hui Hua, Meibou, Virgin, or Miraton.
Not too many bars in CP other than CA red and I think it's called La Bar which is across the street from the Miraton.
Jettsetter
09-19-10, 20:30
Is Member 3429 and West Wind and Jason 18### the same person? After all the cleanup I looked back at the posts and noticed that what appeared to be one handle (West Wind) was actually a few different handles, now that the original handles were cleared up by Jackson.
If it's inappropriate for me to raise this, I apologize, and if deleted, I'll never mention this topic again, as it's not my intention to incite, but rather to inform those who haven't bothered to do their own research.
However, I just want to make sure that I'm not crazy here and that from my recollection of the posts, that this is accurate.
I only say this becuase I think that as far as credibility goes, it's important to assess the credbility of the persons who were asserting themselves as "honest", asserting they never used multiple handles, only to find out what was represented as an "honest" assessment of services rendered/proposed was a total sham (same person acting as multiple people with multiple perspectives)...
-Jett
P.S. Back next week... if anybody is up for some good times, let us know. I know October should be a series of good parties as I know lots of folks coming into town.
Jettsetter
09-19-10, 20:34
I'd say stick with hui hua, meibou, virgin, or miraton.
Not too many bars in CP other than CA red and I think it's called la bar which is across the street from the miratonActually, last time I went to CA RED, they actually played some decent music. I. E. HIP HOP mixed with some Chinese style of trance. It's a much better leap from the day's of "Sunday" (Xin Di) which was previously closed down due to the prevalence of drugs in the place (not to mention the countless pickpockets in the place).
I'll never forget going there years ago and seeing a see if people high on X, turning their heads (yao yao tou) all in unisen. It was something out of Blade. Where you felt like you were the only one that didn't belong and that you'd be lunch meet any moment when they realized you were the only different one.
I've noticed some other bars in town (not in the main strip): 1. Face Bar. On the same street as Clipper. Small bar, walked in once, it was dead, but had potential to have some good music (bring your own party. Maybe even ipod?); 2. Space Bar? I noticed this on the main road on the way to Fu Hao. Not sure how to explain where it is, but it looked cool fro mthe outside. Never stepped foot in it and have NO IDEA what the place is like. Maybe I'll TOFT and try it out this time around.
I say we need to keep checking out new places to see how things are in town. I think we are sometimes too complacent with the same places and don't realize when there are new outfits in town worthy of our patronage.
J
Personally I love Swan Lake Hotel. It's economical and the rooms are almost the same quality as the Penn without the price tag. What's so cool is they give you free breakfast now at the Jing Hao Hong Kong Cafe downstairs. Menu is a bit limited but i love the HK style Milk Teas so that's certainly a plus for me.
In addition Swan Lake's got the new wing that recently opened a few months back and the rooms are quite nice. Bathrooms are smaller but the you can't beat the price anywhere else.
Mayflower rooms are just as good and affordable, the only problem I have with it is it's a bit further down Swan Lake Road than I would prefer. But that's just my personal opinion.
Taoyuan rooms are a bit dated, but in terms of price and size of room it's quite large in my opinion.
I know a lot of people prefer to stay around the town center in Hui Hua and Miraton etc, but I find that the pricing doesn't justify the quality of the rooms. Just my personal opinion.
AsnDragonHello Gentlemen,
I want to make a reservation for a room on October.
Do you have the email or the website of the hotel?
Do you know the price for a standard single bed room?
To compare, The Clipper is the hotel next door, and Member 3429 wrote:
268 RMB for a single king bed
298 RMB for a single king bed with computer.
Thanks,
Pifou
Greetings Everyone,
On further review, after reading and cleaning up this thread.
1. I have permanently banned Jason1831 fka West Wind for threatening another member with violence, to wit:
Thanks,
JacksonNo, thank you!
Bob Builder
09-19-10, 23:18
Is Member 3429 and West Wind and Jason 18### the same person? After all the cleanup I looked back at the posts and noticed that what appeared to be one handle (West Wind) was actually a few different handles, now that the original handles were cleared up by Jackson.
If it's inappropriate for me to raise this, I apologize, and if deleted, I'll never mention this topic again, as it's not my intention to incite, but rather to inform those who haven't bothered to do their own research.
However, I just want to make sure that I'm not crazy here and that from my recollection of the posts, that this is accurate.
I only say this becuase I think that as far as credibility goes, it's important to assess the credbility of the persons who were asserting themselves as "honest", asserting they never used multiple handles, only to find out what was represented as an "honest" assessment of services rendered/proposed was a total sham (same person acting as multiple people with multiple perspectives)...
-Jett
P.S. Back next week... if anybody is up for some good times, let us know. I know October should be a series of good parties as I know lots of folks coming into town.Give it a rest. The guy is gone and the last week is just a bad memory.
Is Member 3429 and West Wind and Jason 18### the same person? After all the cleanup I looked back at the posts and noticed that what appeared to be one handle (West Wind) was actually a few different handles, now that the original handles were cleared up by Jackson.I really hate having to explain myself, but here goes...
Whenever I find it necessary to ban someone who has posted a modicum of actionable info, my practice is to preserve whatever they may have posted that has value, thus denying them the satisfaction of thinking that their actual contributions were flushed down the toilet along with their problematic posts. I accomplish this by changing the username on the posts to be preserved to a generic "Member #1234" username.
That having been said...
Give it a rest. The guy is gone and the last week is just a bad memory.Thanks,
Jackson
Virgin - Probably the largest selection, especially if you like the cosplay/uniform thing, they are the best for that
Hui Hua - I enjoy their service and routine the most. they have a nice mirror on the ceiling and wall. However the service from all these 3 are quite similar.
Miraton - the Nicest rooms IMO, selection can be hit and miss, you have to go there and see what is available.
Bottom line, nobody can really say which one is 'best', because it all comes down to what time of day you go, which girl you get, and the service you get from her. Just like going to a KTV, you can goto the 'best' one and have a crappy time if you pick the wrong person.
I'd say stick with Hui Hua, Meibou, Virgin, or Miraton.
Not too many bars in CP other than CA red and I think it's called La Bar which is across the street from the Miraton.
2. Space Bar? I noticed this on the main road on the way to Fu Hao. Not sure how to explain where it is, but it looked cool fro mthe outside. Never stepped foot in it and have NO IDEA what the place is like. Maybe I'll TOFT and try it out this time around.
J
I'll go with you so you don't stand out. LOL. Yeah that place looked pretty cool.
SE Asia Joe
09-20-10, 04:37
Thanks Jackson..
Yeah - Thanks Jackson!
SEAJ
Yeah - Thanks Jackson!
SEAJGuys,
Lets get back to pussy hunting.
What we do best at.
Keyser Soze001
09-20-10, 05:17
Regal Palace hotel is girl friendly. You will have no problem bringing girls in there. one, two, three or however many you want. haha.
Now, where to find the girls. Ask tell bell boy, he will hook you up. Or you could visit the nearby bbs. There is a few nearby and pick your girls from there and bring them back. The price for BBS girls in that area is around 150 to 200 for single shot. If you want overnight, it would be 400. Some even charge 500. Now these are BBS girls not KTV. KTV would be higher for overnight. You don't need to stay in KTV if you really don't want to, you can go pick the girl and take her outwith you to your room. Usuaully the KTV's don't like but they will let you do it as they want to make money any way possible. KTV girls would be 800 to 900 for the overnight stay. She will stay till 11am to 12noon. And you CAN shagg her as many times as possible.
Just double check what they consider overnight. As some think that if you shagg them twice, thats overnight. Let them know ahead of time, at least 4 to 5 rounds even if you don't do it so they know that they can't leave unless you are done.
I just remembered, one the managers name is Justin. He is a white guy. If you talk to him, he will hook you up with what you are looking for, that is if he is still there. You don't have private message or I would have sent you his phone number.Thank you WW for your answer.
Just some more questions, please:
Do I have to check for the girl's age first?
Is it safe?
Is it possible to get them without going outside the hotel (KTV or BBS)?
Currency is in RMB, HKD, USD?
Thanks
Hope this dont take too long to come out as I dont post very much. Thank you Jackson for cleaning it up but it was funny for a while, then it get #$$₩%. Well you all know!
Was in CP for the pass 3 days and is very happy to have BSD with me and a party of 12. Have I use BSD before? Yes, many time. Did I need BSD? No. Do I know of other guides? Yes. I have been to China for more then 10 years and have used many guides, friends, etc, etc. For CP it is BSD for me and I recommend him to anyone that has intention to come to CP for a peace of mind while having a great time. After spending time thinking of reasons to be in CP and paying for the traveling cost you dont want to have any risk of a screw up. In China you dont go for the cheapest! You go for the reasonable cost and get into a good crowd. BSD is!
First day Thursday night Mayflower. Visit flower street and got overwhelmed by the sheer quality and quantity of ladies available, estimate over 600 girls. We end up with more then 30 girls in a big room. By choice we allow the girls to order foods. With plenty of foods, beer and 9 bottles of Chivas, we have a great time. KTV cost RMB8312.00 pay direct to KTV
Second day Fuhao. After a hard day work in Pozolim getting massaged and pampered BSD got a big room in Fuhao for us. This time we again have more then 30 ladies from the flower street, real meat market but less girls then Mayflower. Lots of testing and interview before we proceed to the room. I bring sand to the beach but also get an addition two girls, just cant resist. Have a moot wedding/bachelor party for the guy marrying next month! Have tea ceremony and giving of angpows. He got entertained and strip by 7 girls, end with 2 for the night. Lots of beer, bottles of Chivas, Vodka and again lots of foods. Great time was had by ALL. KTV cost RMB7400 00 pay direct to KTV.
Third day Fuhao again. Again got massaged and pampered before going to KTV flower street. Got the biggest room in Fuhao because we have some programs to run tonight. BSD got the OK, no limit from KTV management! We somehow end up with even more girls tonight. Some Pozolim girls come on their own. I again bring sand to the beach. (Really very happy with this girl from Mayflower.) Beauty contest, first in their uniform, then in their street cloth and finally bikini (use your imagination here for what is possible when no limit is allow). We also have competition for Best FUN girls of the night! What a night! Again lots of beer, Chivas, Vodka and foods. Great fun time for everyone. KTV cost RMB8500.00 pay direct to KTV.
Thank you Dave. Again! See you next month.
Hungryguy.
Money is not yours until you spend it!
Just Seven
09-20-10, 10:42
I am considering heading down to CP this week for a couple nights, this would be my first trip however I have RTFF.
Is mid autumn festival going to make things very crowded or more expensive?
Any one else going to be in town? From around tuesday to friday?
Thank you for your contribution. If I go, I will give it a try and let you know!
Virgin - Probably the largest selection, especially if you like the cosplay/uniform thing, they are the best for that
Hui Hua - I enjoy their service and routine the most. they have a nice mirror on the ceiling and wall. However the service from all these 3 are quite similar.
Miraton - the Nicest rooms IMO, selection can be hit and miss, you have to go there and see what is available.
Bottom line, nobody can really say which one is 'best', because it all comes down to what time of day you go, which girl you get, and the service you get from her. Just like going to a KTV, you can goto the 'best' one and have a crappy time if you pick the wrong person.
Sadly, as with any war, this war of words left casualties. Anger, feelings of betrayal, damaged friendships.
No winners, only losers.
Bottom line, nobody can really say which one is 'best', because it all comes down to what time of day you go, which girl you get, and the service you get from her. Just like going to a KTV, you can goto the 'best' one and have a crappy time if you pick the wrong person.
That is the truth. You can only go to saunas that have on average better girls or service. But you can still get a dud (if you have a problem change them - tell the manager to change them - i have done this at Virgin - she was pretty but service sucked.) Most managers will ask if service was good or not. give them the truth.
I once went to Meibao, and they have the table shower/breast rub table, and had great service. but she was only a 6 in my book but great service made up for anything else. hard pickings but great service.
That is the only place i know of with a table shower which is actually fun.
Fast Eddie 48
09-21-10, 03:25
Virgin - Probably the largest selection, especially if you like the cosplay/uniform thing, they are the best for that
Hui Hua - I enjoy their service and routine the most. they have a nice mirror on the ceiling and wall. However the service from all these 3 are quite similar.
Miraton - the Nicest rooms IMO, selection can be hit and miss, you have to go there and see what is available.
Bottom line, nobody can really say which one is 'best', because it all comes down to what time of day you go, which girl you get, and the service you get from her. Just like going to a KTV, you can goto the 'best' one and have a crappy time if you pick the wrong person.RIPOFF,
You are correct sauna is a big hit and miss in Dongguan ,because of crack down it can be great many girl one week and the next week it might be closed or no FS avalible ,there are many case last yr all sauna are closed in CP for a few week .
Like Huizhou 3 month ago many sauna in offer great service for 200-300 rmb included room not as nice as CP ,when I go there last month all sauna are closed for remodeling and don't when they will reopen.
fast eddie 48
StinkyFeet
09-21-10, 06:29
but she was only a 6 in my book but great service made up for anything else. hard pickings but great service..
That's the truth! If you want insane service. Don't go for the top girls. Go for the girl that is not typically pretty for chinese men (darker skin, not as slender, not tall, smaller eyes, or a combination). The service is really good. top girls are only good if they are interested in you (see potential BF).
I'm Chinese.
Those model types are my favorite!
That's the truth! If you want insane service. Don't go for the top girls. Go for the girl that is not typically pretty for chinese men (darker skin, not as slender, not tall, smaller eyes, or a combination). The service is really good. top girls are only good if they are interested in you (see potential BF).
Hope this dont take too long to come out as I dont post very much. Thank you Jackson for cleaning it up but it was funny for a while, then it get #$$₩%. Well you all know!
Was in CP for the pass 3 days and is very happy to have BSD with me and a party of 12. Have I use BSD before? Yes, many time. Did I need BSD? No. Do I know of other guides? Yes. I have been to China for more then 10 years and have used many guides, friends, etc, etc. For CP it is BSD for me and I recommend him to anyone that has intention to come to CP for a peace of mind while having a great time. After spending time thinking of reasons to be in CP and paying for the traveling cost you dont want to have any risk of a screw up. In China you dont go for the cheapest! You go for the reasonable cost and get into a good crowd. BSD is!
First day Thursday night Mayflower. Visit flower street and got overwhelmed by the sheer quality and quantity of ladies available, estimate over 600 girls. We end up with more then 30 girls in a big room. By choice we allow the girls to order foods. With plenty of foods, beer and 9 bottles of Chivas, we have a great time. KTV cost RMB8312.00 pay direct to KTV
Second day Fuhao. After a hard day work in Pozolim getting massaged and pampered BSD got a big room in Fuhao for us. This time we again have more then 30 ladies from the flower street, real meat market but less girls then Mayflower. Lots of testing and interview before we proceed to the room. I bring sand to the beach but also get an addition two girls, just cant resist. Have a moot wedding/bachelor party for the guy marrying next month! Have tea ceremony and giving of angpows. He got entertained and strip by 7 girls, end with 2 for the night. Lots of beer, bottles of Chivas, Vodka and again lots of foods. Great time was had by ALL. KTV cost RMB7400 00 pay direct to KTV.
Third day Fuhao again. Again got massaged and pampered before going to KTV flower street. Got the biggest room in Fuhao because we have some programs to run tonight. BSD got the OK, no limit from KTV management! We somehow end up with even more girls tonight. Some Pozolim girls come on their own. I again bring sand to the beach. (Really very happy with this girl from Mayflower.) Beauty contest, first in their uniform, then in their street cloth and finally bikini (use your imagination here for what is possible when no limit is allow). We also have competition for Best FUN girls of the night! What a night! Again lots of beer, Chivas, Vodka and foods. Great fun time for everyone. KTV cost RMB8500.00 pay direct to KTV.
Thank you Dave. Again! See you next month.
Hungryguy.
Money is not yours until you spend it!
I absolutely agree with your assessment of the service BSD provides and will not allow myself to be jealous of the fun you had in CP....no way.....I am not jealous.....envious......wishing I was in THAT party......not me......
Meiguoguizi
09-22-10, 02:33
That's the truth! If you want insane service. Don't go for the top girls. Go for the girl that is not typically pretty for chinese men (darker skin, not as slender, not tall, smaller eyes, or a combination). The service is really good. top girls are only good if they are interested in you (see potential BF).
There are two kinds of f***ing:
Exterior - "Oh my god look at the beautiful girl that I am f***ing."
Interior - "Arrrrrrghhhhhhhhhh"
They are seldom combined.
Meiguoguizi
09-22-10, 02:36
Oh, and I forgot.... the third is "Bruce T sex"
" Wow, look at the beautiful girl that that guy is f***ing."
Oh, and I forgot.... the third is "Bruce T sex"
" Wow, look at the beautiful girl that that guy is f***ing."
Nooooo.....Meiguoguizi....Bruce T sex is "I can't believe I'm f**king this gir...oh damn, I came...."
top girls are only good if they are interested in you (see potential BF).
I'm BF-material. Unfortunately, I'm also nicknamed "RAIN OUT."
OldAsiaHand
09-22-10, 03:52
That's the truth! If you want insane service. Don't go for the top girls. Go for the girl that is not typically pretty for chinese men (darker skin, not as slender, not tall, smaller eyes, or a combination). The service is really good. top girls are only good if they are interested in you (see potential BF).
"Good service is inversely proportionate to good looks" OAH, many years ago.
The less attractive girls try harder to please. The stunners reckon their appearance is enough and you are lucky to be able to do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
StinkyFeet
09-22-10, 05:09
"Good service is inversely proportionate to good looks"
Good Sex = ( (W x T) + ( A x S x M x E ))/Bē
Note: Higher the number the better
defined as:
A = age
B = Cup Size (A = 1 to D = 4)
S = Darkness of Skin (Brown = 5 to White = 1)
W = weight in KG
M = blemishes on face (flawless = 1 to heavy = 5)
E = type of eyes (unattractive = 5 to mesmerizing = 1)
T = number of tattoos
Member #4144
09-22-10, 05:50
"Good service is inversely proportionate to good looks" OAH, many years ago.
The less attractive girls try harder to please. The stunners reckon their appearance is enough and you are lucky to be able to do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
Just a matter of time and money, the stunners will be great in bed as well if you pay them more, starting the second date. Or if you are Bruce T, haha.
F.
Dodgy Fellow
09-22-10, 07:59
Anyone who falls for this type of scam is a victim of their own greed. Currently it is virtually impossible to buy a brand new iphone 4 from an authorized dealer without waiting at least 3 weeks. They sell on the grey / 2nd hand market for over RMB7000 which is above their list price of RMB5xxx and these type of good are more expensive in China than outside in places such as Hong Kong even though they are made in Dongguan / Shenzhen.
So you will find that the buyer is willing to buy them as they think they are "stolen genuine goods". Why else would you buy something so hi-tech from so shifty guy that walks up to you in the street or at McDs?
An expat I used to work with got scammed out of 1K RMB with this iPhone bait and switch. The funny thing is, he encountered another guy some time later who tried to pull the same stunt on him. When the second guy was trying to sell him his iPhone, the expat agreed to the sale - then told the seller he wanted to keep the "showcase model" (a real iPhone).
He actually flustered the scammer, who wound up trying to get that real iPhone back. They made enough of a commotion that a crowd gathered, followed by the police. The conman got hauled off, and the would-be mark wound up getting a legit iPhone.
Mind you, the guy is fluent in Chinese, and to my understanding he figured he was in a good enough location where a crowd can gather (and mob the scammer) if he can quickly make a big enough scene.
Not saying this is a recommended course of action whenever someone tries to sell you an iPhony. But it's nice to know scammers can get screwed too.
Jettsetter
09-22-10, 12:40
"Good service is inversely proportionate to good looks" OAH, many years ago.
The less attractive girls try harder to please. The stunners reckon their appearance is enough and you are lucky to be able to do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
Agreed,
but the exception to the rule is the girl who doesn't know she's beautiful yet, and thinks she's not all that, and will give you stellar service despite you and your buddies thinking she's a knockout.
Hence, "how long have you been working here?" as one of the questions, the ideal answer, that I hear from almost every girls between 2 weeks to 2 months... this is their generic answer for the optimal time a guy thinks that the girl starts getting burnt out.
I've found a few gems who can qualify as great service despite being beautiful... but I generally go for the less traditional types anyways, so I go for service as my priority.
-J
Hi Guys
Anyone knows if the sauna in Goodview hotel Tangxia is re-open again?
AF
OldAsiaHand
09-22-10, 14:55
Agreed,
but the exception to the rule is the girl who doesn't know she's beautiful yet, and thinks she's not all that, and will give you stellar service despite you and your buddies thinking she's a knockout.
Hence, "how long have you been working here?" as one of the questions, the ideal answer, that I hear from almost every girls between 2 weeks to 2 months... this is their generic answer for the optimal time a guy thinks that the girl starts getting burnt out.
I've found a few gems who can qualify as great service despite being beautiful... but I generally go for the less traditional types anyways, so I go for service as my priority.
-J
The true newcomers usually give better service before they figure out what they can get away with.
Just my POV.
So in your definition that means good sex comes from some flat chested heavy ass cow, tanned charcoal skin, ugly eyes, with lots of blemishes on the face.
Good Sex = ( (W x T) + ( A x S x M x E ))/Bē
Note: Higher the number the better
defined as:
A = age
B = Cup Size (A = 1 to D = 4)
S = Darkness of Skin (Brown = 5 to White = 1)
W = weight in KG
M = blemishes on face (flawless = 1 to heavy = 5)
E = type of eyes (unattractive = 5 to mesmerizing = 1)
T = number of tattoos
"Good service is inversely proportionate to good looks" OAH, many years ago.
The less attractive girls try harder to please. The stunners reckon their appearance is enough and you are lucky to be able to do them.
Just my POV.
OAH
Just a matter of time and money, the stunners will be great in bed as well if you pay them more, starting the second date. Or if you are Bruce T, haha.
F.It's true. A few months ago we went to CP for a great KTV session, and one of my friends, who's f*cking loaded but looks like a NASA geek, got himself 6 girls including a stunner who looks like Kelly Chen. (go google her pic)
And the stunner gave him no attention while the fuglies gave him everything. At the end of the night, he ended up bringing three fuglies home and ditched the stunner, and tipped the other two girls 1000RMB each. He left the stunner with nothing, you can practically see her cry.
freepeaks,
Yeah I didn't think that you would be able to get her into bed, because she promised me that she would give her virginity to me. Ok I lied that was my fantasy speaking. But yeah she was cute. Never knew where her crew went to. I heard they went to Li Cheng KTV but a group of them left to Eurasia. Who knows.
Why is it that I find girls that I've had in the past to be better or prettier than the current girls that I get? hum.....
You have the same habit of calling up girls from 2-3 trips ago too!
AsnDragon
Just kidding. She was such a cutie. never figured out if she did that unpurpose or she just sucked at judging how much she could drink. I remember being impressed at how much she could drink until she tossed.!!
jett,
i think it has to do with cp brainwashing. when you think of it it's all based on the effects of your environment right?
when i go to shenzhen now, not shenzhen 10 years ago where bbs or widespread and more open, girls sometimes find me crazy for going there get a hj. they ask me where i came from, i say dongguan. they give me this weird look like "why would you come to shenzhen to get an hj when you can get fs in dongguan?"
shenzhen girls would rather work at jack off places than full service places because it's sorta become the norm there now to have less full service sauna joints.
but when you are in dongguan, especially cp girls are conditioned to think and be more open sexually. they treat sex as a tool, as an every day thing like eating or pooping. dongguan can brainwash a girl into thinking that licking your asshole at saunas is the standard, whereas if you go to shanghai they don't do any of that stuff even in mid to top sauna places. in that aspect i think cp or dongguan has really been on top of the sex trade versus other areas. that makes us a bit spoiled of course, but competition is always good.
cp has so many girls that it makes even the pretty ones feel like they aren't all that pretty. even if the girl felt she was pretty, she knew that in that environment competition is fierce and that men all have a wandering heart...they all want something new and different. right seajoe?
asndragon
agreed,
but the exception to the rule is the girl who doesn't know she's beautiful yet, and thinks she's not all that, and will give you stellar service despite you and your buddies thinking she's a knockout.
hence, "how long have you been working here?" as one of the questions, the ideal answer, that i hear from almost every girls between 2 weeks to 2 months... this is their generic answer for the optimal time a guy thinks that the girl starts getting burnt out.
i've found a few gems who can qualify as great service despite being beautiful... but i generally go for the less traditional types anyways, so i go for service as my priority.
-j
Hi everyone.
I have one small question.
I'll be in Guangzhou for the fair, and I was wondering if it'd be possible to stay at a hotel at Changping and still go to the fair everyday.
If yes how long and much would it cost by taxi?
And which hotel would you recommend?
Thanks in advance
Mike
Mit Fo Lfe
09-23-10, 00:12
Hi everyone.
I have one small question.
I'll be in Guangzhou for the fair, and I was wondering if it'd be possible to stay at a hotel at Changping and still go to the fair everyday.
If yes how long and much would it cost by taxi?
And which hotel would you recommend?
Thanks in advance
Mike
I wouldn't recommend taking a taxi from CP to GZ daily. If you really want to stay in CP then you should take the train which runs almost hourly to gz. I'd say stay in gz until the weekend then head into CP for fun. The constant running around will get old quick. However if you do want to head to gz from CP by car it takes around 2 hours iirc without traffic.
As for hotels it really depends on what you want to spend.
So true about the girls are being such intense competition. Its insane when the ratio is 4 to 1 hot girls to guy.
I'm a long time lurk and a first time post. I was in CP for the first time in my life last week and let me just say that it was an experience of a life time. My flight back to the States was the longest and most depressing ever. Usually at the end of a vacation I would be looking forward to going home. But not this time. A week later I'm still thinking about my experience in my trip.
I had a girl from guanxi. 21, extremely cute and petite. Awesome awesome personality and could speak cantonese. If she wasn't a working girl she would definitely an idea GF.
700 for KTV room fee between 5 friendss
200 for a hotel room next to the KTV
800 for one of the best GFE ever.
I will be going back again in April!
Fast Eddie 48
09-23-10, 04:52
I wouldn't recommend taking a taxi from CP to GZ daily. If you really want to stay in CP then you should take the train which runs almost hourly to gz. I'd say stay in gz until the weekend then head into CP for fun. The constant running around will get old quick. However if you do want to head to gz from CP by car it takes around 2 hours iirc without traffic.
As for hotels it really depends on what you want to spend.To Mit fo it
The train is the fastest and take the subway to Panzhou convention center from Guangzhou main train station to avoid all the freeway traffic, hotel at CP run bus to canton fair also, I think the Miraton and new century run 2 bus a day during the fair take more than 2 hrs.
Fast Eddie 48
You have the same habit of calling up girls from 2-3 trips ago too!
AsnDragon
Yeah i have a habit of being there for 30-40 minutes not have chosen then calling in a regular and about 1/2 the time I find one then have sand + one i am sitting and don't know what todo.
you all know that if you don't make the option to call in a regular early enough they will be snatched out of the lineup elsewhere...
sometimes I think i should just let the sauna be an option,... or see what is available later... last trip i had a horrible calling in the sand - 2 of them into Huihua... this trip i will try to resist. ... try i said....
Hi everyone.
I'll be in Guangzhou for the fair, and I was wondering if it'd be possible to stay at a hotel at Changping and still go to the fair everyday.
Mike
It can be done and i think a few hotels run shuttles/vans (you pay) to the show. better though to take the train, fast and convenient. then best to take taxi to fair from trainstation. you can take underground train but it is slower than taxi ..
for 2-3 days yeah you could do it, for the full time that would be hard. but you would need to leave the fair at 3pm to make the ktv time in cp....
Calvin F1,
No doubt that in my book, China girls are the best! Most variety and most pretty in comparison to other mongering destinations. Thailand, Phillipines, vietnam etc.. after a while these places just turns me off, but somehow China especially CP makes everything seem so much nicer, upscale that you get lost in this wonderland, not able to differentiate between reality and fantasy.
AsnDragon
So true about the girls are being such intense competition. Its insane when the ratio is 4 to 1 hot girls to guy.
I'm a long time lurk and a first time post. I was in CP for the first time in my life last week and let me just say that it was an experience of a life time. My flight back to the States was the longest and most depressing ever. Usually at the end of a vacation I would be looking forward to going home. But not this time. A week later I'm still thinking about my experience in my trip.
I had a girl from guanxi. 21, extremely cute and petite. Awesome awesome personality and could speak cantonese. If she wasn't a working girl she would definitely an idea GF.
700 for KTV room fee between 5 friendss
200 for a hotel room next to the KTV
800 for one of the best GFE ever.
I will be going back again in April!
Freepeaks,
You always have this....grass in greener on the other side ordeal. But what can i say when you got a girl who likes you a lot...you tend to fall head over heals for her- ie: "rockstar"
Sometimes trying out new ones is the best way to go, you never know where you're going to find a new gem.
Look forward my friend not backwards, cause looking ahead gives you hope, and looking behind gives you regret.
AsnDragon
Yeah i have a habit of being there for 30-40 minutes not have chosen then calling in a regular and about 1/2 the time I find one then have sand + one i am sitting and don't know what todo.
you all know that if you don't make the option to call in a regular early enough they will be snatched out of the lineup elsewhere...
sometimes I think i should just let the sauna be an option,... or see what is available later... last trip i had a horrible calling in the sand - 2 of them into Huihua... this trip i will try to resist. ... try i said....
Asia fan,
haven't heard about tangxia good view recently. tangxia got hammered pretty bad during this crackdown. But I heard that Golden Island in Tangxia is still in operation. It's about a 10 min taxi ride from goodview to Golden Island.
AsnDragon
Hi Guys
Anyone knows if the sauna in Goodview hotel Tangxia is re-open again?
AF
Was in GZ on business yesterday. My host took me to Zhongtang to a Hotel(Tian Hao) and was treated to a 2 hr session that was very nice.
Then onto a KTV and chose a girl for an overnight. She was thin and A cups but was definitely a GFE. Price was 500rmb for VIP room.
Needless to say, I was well spent that 24 hour period after coming in from Macau that week.
PC out
BruceTea,
Dude man..."boyfriend material" is what got you into trouble man! That's what happens when you try romancing girls and take it a bit too far.
P.S.-- Next time you come to CP let me know man. You come for so long and I only see you for like 3 days.
AsnDragon
Nooooo.....Meiguoguizi....Bruce T sex is "I can't believe I'm f**king this gir...oh damn, I came...."
I'm BF-material. Unfortunately, I'm also nicknamed "RAIN OUT."
Thanks AsnDragon
According to an information from one of the posters here, Goodview got hammered as well what was a big surprise for me taking into consideration it's standard but it looks no one can feel safe.
I hope it is (will be) reopened againg because it is definately one of the best super high-end places I've ever seen.
AF
Asia fan,
haven't heard about tangxia good view recently. tangxia got hammered pretty bad during this crackdown. But I heard that Golden Island in Tangxia is still in operation. It's about a 10 min taxi ride from goodview to Golden Island.
AsnDragon
Asia fan,
From what I know just because a place is high class or high end places does not insure it's ability to weather through these random crackdowns. For example, In Tangxia back in the days Sunshine Hotel, about 1 mile away from Goodview, was a smaller hotel. But the owners of Sunshine Hotel knew lots of people in the Provincial Guangdong Government and people in Beijing, so it was able to weather to crackdown for many years until owner was switched over to someone else. I sense that high class joints like Goodview are backed by rich businessmen, but in order to really have a more protected operation that can weather crackdowns you need deeper connections within the government in order to operate without any worries.
From example, in CP, Virgin Hotel is not nearly as high class as Eurasia Hotel. However Virgin's owners have serious deep connections with govt officials while Eurasia Hotel is a five star hotel with lots of money backing them but not deep rooted government connections. This can be seen in this recent crackdown. Virgin operates their Sauna openly with no problem, even being in the town center. While Eurasia, located off in the middle of nowhere in CP is heavily affected by this crackdown. They relocated their Sauna to a different floor than advertised to avoid being detected by officials. In fact you need to know one o the sauna manager's phone numbers and call ahead of time in order to even know they relocated to a different floor than what is listed on the elevator directory.
So it just comes to show that money can do a lot in China, but connections and deep rooted relations with government officials is still the key to a longer term business viability amidst this widespread crackdown environment.
During every Chinese New Year there is a traditional nationwide crackdown on these types of activities. Goodview is the first Hotel in Tangxia to Close down for renovations or "operate in the dark" so to speak, while other places like Golden Island are not affected at all...business as usual.
AsnDragon
Thanks AsnDragon
According to an information from one of the posters here, Goodview got hammered as well what was a big surprise for me taking into consideration it's standard but it looks no one can feel safe.
I hope it is (will be) reopened againg because it is definately one of the best super high-end places I've ever seen.
AF
I have to say, I love the LT.
However, my success rate in a truly memorable LT is pretty darn low.
I've locked up their Cells - they watch TV half the night.... I've had real troopers, but they try to renegotiate their departure time when I want round 3 at 7:00 am.... just a few downers that I'd like to improve on.
As far as Fillipinas out of HK - - complete different story - awakened with a BJ at 4 am.... nasty in the shower at 8 am when I am just completely spent and smiles all around.
Appreciate any tips on "interview skills" to help me ensure good service.
I do get the importance of being gentlemanly etc etc - - and don't think I am a discouragement - - perhaps even the opposite - - maybe I am too easy on them and set myself up ...
Comments appreciated - - particularly some of the "interview tips techniques" I have heard about but not the specifics.
Thanks in advance,
D23
OldAsiaHand
09-25-10, 03:20
I have to say, I love the LT.
However, my success rate in a truly memorable LT is pretty darn low.
I've locked up their Cells - they watch TV half the night.... I've had real troopers, but they try to renegotiate their departure time when I want round 3 at 7:00 am.... just a few downers that I'd like to improve on.
As far as Fillipinas out of HK - - complete different story - awakened with a BJ at 4 am.... nasty in the shower at 8 am when I am just completely spent and smiles all around.
Appreciate any tips on "interview skills" to help me ensure good service.
I do get the importance of being gentlemanly etc etc - - and don't think I am a discouragement - - perhaps even the opposite - - maybe I am too easy on them and set myself up ...
Comments appreciated - - particularly some of the "interview tips techniques" I have heard about but not the specifics.
Thanks in advance,
D23
D23,
I avoid LT for some of the same reasons you mention. Another reason is that I like multiple girls rather than multiple pops with the same girl. And, I never sleep well with the girl in my room.
IMHO, the first time with a girl LT, it is completely hit or miss. It gets better when you repeat. When they try to cut out early (middle of the night), it usually means they have a b/f.
Do you speak Chinese? I find that after I have used up my limited vocabulary, the girls start to get bored and start watching the TV. Nothing more to talk about.
Normally, Chinese WGs consider 2 pops (night and morning) to be the norm for LT, therefore, the 3rd pop can be difficult.
A friend of mine and fellow ISG member always used to tell me that his theory was that the girls prefer to stay in a nice hotel room with him, rather than go back to their own place. My theory, albeit in more of a Thailand format, is:
"WGs prefer to go back and stay in their rat-infested bungalow playing cards with their mates, eating somtam and noodles, than staying in your 5-star hotel with room service and a breakfast buffet."
Negotiation is a chicken and egg situation. They will tell you what you want to hear regardless before the deal is consummated. What happens later can always be a different story. I reckon many punters are real softies and let them get away with it, so they continue to try. After all, why would you want to stay with a girl that doesn't want to be with you? Most of the time, if you insist, the attitude and service level take a major turn for the worst.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH,
I love reading OAH's posts because he tells things as it is. With his years of mongering he's a true veteran to this trade all over Asia.
First off, i have the same problem you have, I can never sleep well with a girl next to me. I hardly ever do LT unless I'm just too tired to kick her out of the room.
Secondly what you said is so true....these girls would rather be in their crappy apartments playing cards and eating some duck neck snacks (I'm using the Chinese description rather than your thailand one) and play cards all night long with their friends. The only exception to this rule is if it's summer, it's hot as hell and their own apartment does not have A/C. In that case then you have the advantage of a more comfortable sleeping environment.
true to what you said: Chinese like other Asians are all about relationships. The more you ask them out, the more relationship is built and the easier it is for them to open up to you for wilder sex or more sex.
And I also agree 80% of the time, if they don't want to do LT most of the time they do have a bf. That same BF who tricked them into becoming a WG.
I love how when a chinese girl really likes you...they just do anything for you.
Asndragon
D23,
I avoid LT for some of the same reasons you mention. Another reason is that I like multiple girls rather than multiple pops with the same girl. And, I never sleep well with the girl in my room.
IMHO, the first time with a girl LT, it is completely hit or miss. It gets better when you repeat. When they try to cut out early (middle of the night), it usually means they have a b/f.
Do you speak Chinese? I find that after I have used up my limited vocabulary, the girls start to get bored and start watching the TV. Nothing more to talk about.
Normally, Chinese WGs consider 2 pops (night and morning) to be the norm for LT, therefore, the 3rd pop can be difficult.
A friend of mine and fellow ISG member always used to tell me that his theory was that the girls prefer to stay in a nice hotel room with him, rather than go back to their own place. My theory, albeit in more of a Thailand format, is:
"WGs prefer to go back and stay in their rat-infested bungalow playing cards with their mates, eating somtam and noodles, than staying in your 5-star hotel with room service and a breakfast buffet."
Negotiation is a chicken and egg situation. They will tell you what you want to hear regardless before the deal is consummated. What happens later can always be a different story. I reckon many punters are real softies and let them get away with it, so they continue to try. After all, why would you want to stay with a girl that doesn't want to be with you? Most of the time, if you insist, the attitude and service level take a major turn for the worst.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thanks, OAH and AsnDragon for the insights...
Gives me cause to rethink my approach to LT's and also - dangerously - reaffirms my likelihood to seek a one week GF .. Hehehe or better yet, two or three 3-day GF's with ST's and saunas sprinkled in between. Gotta set the plan and work the plan so I am prepared.
I do speak some Mandarin - I should probably engage more after the deed (typical male I guess) to keep a fire lit ... I may have thought they really appreciated playing with iPod or all the tv channels but I think I will try some different techniques.
Look forward to sending some reports. Thankfully this trip avoids Shanghai (though I truly love SH girls but those tragic tales are best written about in the broken hearts thread...) and the current crackdown that seems to be sporadic yet endless.
Thx
D23
I have to say, I love the LT.
However, my success rate in a truly memorable LT is pretty darn low.
I've locked up their Cells - they watch TV half the night.... I've had real troopers, but they try to renegotiate their departure time when I want round 3 at 7:00 am.... just a few downers that I'd like to improve on.
As far as Fillipinas out of HK - - complete different story - awakened with a BJ at 4 am.... nasty in the shower at 8 am when I am just completely spent and smiles all around.
Appreciate any tips on "interview skills" to help me ensure good service.
I do get the importance of being gentlemanly etc etc - - and don't think I am a discouragement - - perhaps even the opposite - - maybe I am too easy on them and set myself up ...
Comments appreciated - - particularly some of the "interview tips techniques" I have heard about but not the specifics.
Thanks in advance,
D23
Hmmm. I only very infrequently have I had some girl wake me up because she wanted to leave. The couple of times it has happened I told them to leave me alone cos I'm sleeping. It's usually me having to wake the girl up to tell her to go home so I can meet my friends for breakfast or something along those lines.
Perhaps if you talk to the girl more. Usually I can't get them to shut up and they're always asking stupid crap about me. Maybe if you pretend to be interested in what they're saying she might bond with you and stay longer. Who knows.
Meiguoguizi
09-25-10, 11:38
I have to say, I love the LT.
Appreciate any tips on "interview skills" to help me ensure good service.
D23
I prefer LT with someone who is smart enough to pretend that she is happy to be there. I don't enjoy ordering them around like a cleaning lady.
It doesn't happen often. She must either be a 'pro' who knows that repeat business is in her best interest because I've told her that I'm ALWAYS in town and I pay more for good service. Or her dream in life since she was a little girl is to f*** a fat ugly old white man.
Tip #1: tell her you are always in town or you are not leaving for a month, even if your plane leaves in 4 hours.
Tip #2: pay a little more. I remember when a friend and I in New York tag teamed two working girls, 300 each, but we only had 595 between us. They practically pulled each other's hair out for the 5 bucks.
Tip #3: don't expect fantasy LT performance the first time if you are a 'lao wai'. She must discover that your dick is small, you don't want anal sex, you can't screw for 3 hours, and that you won't deposit any non-critical body fluids on her frightened face.
Maybe take her ST first and then try LT if you are satisfied with her attitude.
Tip #4: if you actually find someone who plays the part well, reward her with repeat business. Give her a Ho VIP card.
As much as I prefer LT with a quick pop or two before work, a few regular girls have told me they would rather go home and have an uninterrupted sleep till lunchtime, rather than have me kick them out 7am and then go home and try to get back to sleep. With regular girls, I could usually negotiate an extended ST deal. Usually a price somewhere between ST & LT for 2-3 hours with multiple pops. But then you have the other side of the coin, those damn LT girls that sleep the "sleep of the dead", you damn near have to throw a jug of water on them to get them wake up and leave. Most embarrassing when you have a busload of work colleagues waiting for you because you're running late. Even more embarrassing when the girl doesn't understand that you want them to leave the hotel separately. You win some, you lose some, but as long as the pussy is good, it's all good.
Cunning Linguist
09-25-10, 15:08
I prefer LT with someone who is smart enough to pretend that she is happy to be there. I don't enjoy ordering them around like a cleaning lady.
It doesn't happen often. She must either be a 'pro' who knows that repeat business is in her best interest because I've told her that I'm ALWAYS in town and I pay more for good service. Or her dream in life since she was a little girl is to f*** a fat ugly old white man.
Tip #1: tell her you are always in town or you are not leaving for a month, even if your plane leaves in 4 hours.
Tip #2: pay a little more. I remember when a friend and I in New York tag teamed two working girls, 300 each, but we only had 595 between us. They practically pulled each other's hair out for the 5 bucks.
Tip #3: don't expect fantasy LT performance the first time if you are a 'lao wai'. She must discover that your dick is small, you don't want anal sex, you can't screw for 3 hours, and that you won't deposit any non-critical body fluids on her frightened face.
Maybe take her ST first and then try LT if you are satisfied with her attitude.
Tip #4: if you actually find someone who plays the part well, reward her with repeat business. Give her a Ho VIP card.
Truth speaketh the man!!! I fell for a girl on the second day I was in CP. I got her in Fuhao KTV. She seemed to like me a lot and I really liked her a lot. I really thought that no short time would be needed as we really seemed to "click". However, although my Chinese is good enough for an intelligent enough conversation, her brain was not. She simply slept all day at the hotel and watched all kinds of Chinese soap operas ranging from ones dealing with rich Chinese students at an exclusive school to various historical costume dramas which also featured rich Chinese scheming against each other.
I started to get a kind of relationship with a BBS girl just when my time was up in CP. She had discovered my true dick size, knew I wasn't into anal, wasn't lihai on Viagra, and kept my bodily fluids to myself. I started to like her a lot too. How sad!!! I think LT was in the cards after a couple of good ST sessions. Oh well. Next year in August!!!
I will take the "I-always-come-back-here-a-lot" story on board next time. Thanks for the tips!!!
The only exception to this rule is if it's summer, it's hot as hell and their own apartment does not have A/C. In that case then you have the advantage of a more comfortable sleeping environment.
I recall four times a girl didn't want to go home after ST in my hotel. They said their place was too too hot with no A/C. One told me she shares a room with several other girls.
I even had two girls sleeping in my hotel room for one week but they were not working girls. They were just friends. They complained about their place being too hot and no A/C. They were planning to move out of their place.
Weelock,
Don't you love it when sometimes you just happen to have something or do something small that just gives you a bigger advantage with the girls?
Sometimes...i say this lightly....sometimes when you are a gentlemen to the girls they actually fall in love with you. There was this one time I had a BBS girl. We had a great time in bed, but you could tell that she seemed like she had a cold. After finished, I just told her to go home and rest. But she couldn't leave because it was still early, Mommies only let them off until 12 midnight and she would have to do an overnight session with me in order to leave the place. We had a good time so I just paid her overnight and told her to go home. I gave her some of my medicine that I had packed and told her she should go home and rest. Most girls would just take the money and medicine and leave. But she actually cried...said nobody has treated her this nice before. She said she didn't want to leave she needs to stay with me because she would feel like she cheated me if she left now and took my LT money.
I told her that it's ok...get some rest and if she feel better she can come over some other day. She kept messaging me for the next few days and when she got better she came over a few times to spend some time with me and i didn't pay her at all. This happened a couple of years ago. Once in a while I see her around and she's always happy and smiling when she sees me. She us to work at the Swan lake KTV BBS back int he days when Swan Lake still had a BBS there.
Now I wasn't trying to be a BSD and throwing money left and right, but I don't think it was because i gave her LT money for a ST that she was happy to come back, it was because sometimes if you show a girl you care...you are already infinitely nicer then their current deadbeat BF or previous deadbeat BF.
AsnDragon
I recall four times a girl didn't want to go home after ST in my hotel. They said their place was too too hot with no A/C. One told me she shares a room with several other girls.
I even had two girls sleeping in my hotel room for one week but they were not working girls. They were just friends. They complained about their place being too hot and no A/C. They were planning to move out of their place.
Tip #3: don't expect fantasy LT performance the first time if you are a 'lao wai'. She must discover that your dick is small, you don't want anal sex, you can't screw for 3 hours, and that you won't deposit any non-critical body fluids on her frightened face.
Maybe take her ST first and then try LT if you are satisfied with her attitude.
Fuck now i know my problem... you mean they don't like those 4 things?
I guess I'll have to reprint those I want.. cards..
Weelock,
Don't you love it when sometimes you just happen to have something or do something small that just gives you a bigger advantage with the girls?
Same thing happened with me and a BBS girl who had a bad cut, I usually carry betadine, bandages and neosporin, patched her up and she was sweeter than sugar.
All this discussion has improved my memory and hopefully my technique in the future.
I had really forgotten the "small gestures" that I perhaps employed to better service - - girl asks to take home most of the bowl of fruit that some hotels give you - I say yes, and she shoves them into a bag, giving me big hug and looks for me the next night. One year I packed some Canadian "Roots Canada" T -shirts from an outlet - - at height of Brand's international appeal, and she was wearing the t-shirt next night out looking for me (Ever spot a Fillipina in Wanchai Hong Kong with Roots T shirt - grab her !! lol).
Sometimes in the necessity of negotiation that sometimes - - only sometimes seems to prevail (usually due to previous last night mediocre service or wanting the last night to be PSE...) I may have lost sight of the little things to make the stay work.
i think I have stopped chasing freebies on websites and bars for too long.... lost my touch ... gotta romance these WG's a little !
D23
Weelock,
Don't you love it when sometimes you just happen to have something or do something small that just gives you a bigger advantage with the girls?
Sometimes...i say this lightly....sometimes when you are a gentlemen to the girls they actually fall in love with you. There was this one time I had a BBS girl. We had a great time in bed, but you could tell that she seemed like she had a cold. After finished, I just told her to go home and rest. But she couldn't leave because it was still early, Mommies only let them off until 12 midnight and she would have to do an overnight session with me in order to leave the place. We had a good time so I just paid her overnight and told her to go home. I gave her some of my medicine that I had packed and told her she should go home and rest. Most girls would just take the money and medicine and leave. But she actually cried...said nobody has treated her this nice before. She said she didn't want to leave she needs to stay with me because she would feel like she cheated me if she left now and took my LT money.
I told her that it's ok...get some rest and if she feel better she can come over some other day. She kept messaging me for the next few days and when she got better she came over a few times to spend some time with me and i didn't pay her at all. This happened a couple of years ago. Once in a while I see her around and she's always happy and smiling when she sees me. She us to work at the Swan lake KTV BBS back int he days when Swan Lake still had a BBS there.
Now I wasn't trying to be a BSD and throwing money left and right, but I don't think it was because i gave her LT money for a ST that she was happy to come back, it was because sometimes if you show a girl you care...you are already infinitely nicer then their current deadbeat BF or previous deadbeat BF.
AsnDragon
Weelock,
Don't you love it when sometimes you just happen to have something or do something small that just gives you a bigger advantage with the girls?
....
Actually I tried to edit my previous post but time ran out.
For these 4 girls, I only did them once for ST. I then paid them right afterwards. Then they didn't want to leave. One girl wanted to watch a movie on TV. I was kind of afraid they might want LT money later since they stayed for LT but it didn't happen.
Another girl didn't want to go back home because it was hot and she didn't want to sleep on the floor. She told me the reason for not leaving, I said OK. She and her older sister just moved into a small apartment. There was no furniture like a bed or A/C ( strange ). Both of them were working girls but I was only interested in one of them. She took me to the apartment the following day.
So there's this teddy bear incident. for some reason when i tell the story, I feel like I'm SEAJoe trying to romance one of his girls.
Many years ago, back in the days...5 years ago or so. In CP, I had a young girl. Very kiddish, very cute, very young. We had a great session and then I bought her a teddy bear. It was one of those HUGE teddy bears. I got one at the pedestrian shopping strip behind Mcdonalds. She was so happy carrying that big teddy bear back....walking on the street it almost appeared as if the teddy bear was bigger than she was in size.
Then, the next day she came over...didn't work (she was a BBS girl) and said she wanted to hang out with me again, can she bring her "big sister" which is her older cousin. It was great because her older cousin was taller, big big breasts more of a womanly sexy feel, whereas my girl was this cute, innocent looking girl, very skinny. So we went out to a regular KTV, total bill for three people and red wine was $200 RMb back in those days. I went to a small KTV kind of the size of Yalan Hotel except even smaller, I think it has since closed down. But anyhow, all three of us got drunk, went back to the hotel room and did a threesome. It was amazing..like getting the best of both worlds in one bed. I didn't pay either of them, but i did treat them to eat an expensive western restaurant- Kaiyingge Western Restaurant back in the days when it was still open, now it's a lingerie shop across from Virgin Hotel.
come to think about it...i've bought girls quite a lot of teddy bears in the past...somehow many years ago girls were easier to be pleased with small gifts. Nowadays girls want to rake in the big gifts like a cell phone, a laptop, expensive dresses and clothing, digital cameras etc. Well guys....girl's expectations will only grow over time.
AsnDragon
Actually I tried to edit my previous post but time ran out.
For these 4 girls, I only did them once for ST. I then paid them right afterwards. Then they didn't want to leave. One girl wanted to watch a movie on TV. I was kind of afraid they might want LT money later since they stayed for LT but it didn't happen.
Another girl didn't want to go back home because it was hot and she didn't want to sleep on the floor. She told me the reason for not leaving, I said OK. It was for ST. She and her older sister just moved into a small apartment. There was no furniture like a bed or A/C ( strange ). Both of them were working girls but I was only interested in one of them. She took me to the apartment the following day.
AsnDragon,
Many thanks for an outstanding explanation.
I'm definately low experienced and beginning monger (even not sure if I can call myself like that yet) so advices and informations like yours are very much appreciated.
Cosidering what you said I expect that there will be no possibility to visit sauna in Goodview till Asiang Games firstly and Chinese New Year afterwards are finished.
Thanks again.
AF
Asia fan,
From what I know just because a place is high class or high end places does not insure it's ability to weather through these random crackdowns. For example, In Tangxia back in the days Sunshine Hotel, about 1 mile away from Goodview, was a smaller hotel. But the owners of Sunshine Hotel knew lots of people in the Provincial Guangdong Government and people in Beijing, so it was able to weather to crackdown for many years until owner was switched over to someone else. I sense that high class joints like Goodview are backed by rich businessmen, but in order to really have a more protected operation that can weather crackdowns you need deeper connections within the government in order to operate without any worries.
From example, in CP, Virgin Hotel is not nearly as high class as Eurasia Hotel. However Virgin's owners have serious deep connections with govt officials while Eurasia Hotel is a five star hotel with lots of money backing them but not deep rooted government connections. This can be seen in this recent crackdown. Virgin operates their Sauna openly with no problem, even being in the town center. While Eurasia, located off in the middle of nowhere in CP is heavily affected by this crackdown. They relocated their Sauna to a different floor than advertised to avoid being detected by officials. In fact you need to know one o the sauna manager's phone numbers and call ahead of time in order to even know they relocated to a different floor than what is listed on the elevator directory.
So it just comes to show that money can do a lot in China, but connections and deep rooted relations with government officials is still the key to a longer term business viability amidst this widespread crackdown environment.
During every Chinese New Year there is a traditional nationwide crackdown on these types of activities. Goodview is the first Hotel in Tangxia to Close down for renovations or "operate in the dark" so to speak, while other places like Golden Island are not affected at all...business as usual.
AsnDragon
Asndragon,
Just curious but how do you know when its a freebie?
I usually do not do repeaters because I like the variety so I'm not that knowledgeable on this subject. Last time in CP I did call up a girl from my previous trip. She came over on her "day off", stayed over, and we fucked a lot. No money was ever mentioned. When she left I gave her the LT fee because I just figured that I should.
In your story, did you offer a fee and they simply refused? Or did you just not give them anything and hope they won't ask?
I don't mind paying the fee cuz that's what CP is all about but.... who doesn't like a freebie? Haha!
So there's this teddy bear incident. for some reason when i tell the story, I feel like I'm SEAJoe trying to romance one of his girls.
Many years ago, back in the days...5 years ago or so. In CP, I had a young girl. Very kiddish, very cute, very young. We had a great session and then I bought her a teddy bear. It was one of those HUGE teddy bears. I got one at the pedestrian shopping strip behind Mcdonalds. She was so happy carrying that big teddy bear back....walking on the street it almost appeared as if the teddy bear was bigger than she was in size.
Then, the next day she came over...didn't work (she was a BBS girl) and said she wanted to hang out with me again, can she bring her "big sister" which is her older cousin. It was great because her older cousin was taller, big big breasts more of a womanly sexy feel, whereas my girl was this cute, innocent looking girl, very skinny. So we went out to a regular KTV, total bill for three people and red wine was $200 RMb back in those days. I went to a small KTV kind of the size of Yalan Hotel except even smaller, I think it has since closed down. But anyhow, all three of us got drunk, went back to the hotel room and did a threesome. It was amazing..like getting the best of both worlds in one bed. I didn't pay either of them, but i did treat them to eat an expensive western restaurant- Kaiyingge Western Restaurant back in the days when it was still open, now it's a lingerie shop across from Virgin Hotel.
come to think about it...i've bought girls quite a lot of teddy bears in the past...somehow many years ago girls were easier to be pleased with small gifts. Nowadays girls want to rake in the big gifts like a cell phone, a laptop, expensive dresses and clothing, digital cameras etc. Well guys....girl's expectations will only grow over time.
AsnDragon
OldAsiaHand
09-27-10, 04:42
LA Dude,
There are no freebie WGs in CP. They may not ask you for money directly but they still want to receive it. They expect that as an experienced punter you know the deal.
You know it is a freebie when you meet a girl outside of the industry under normal circumstances. You take her out on a date or, a few dates as the case may be, and you score.
Just my POV.
OAH
Asndragon,
Just curious but how do you know when its a freebie?
I usually do not do repeaters because I like the variety so I'm not that knowledgeable on this subject. Last time in CP I did call up a girl from my previous trip. She came over on her "day off", stayed over, and we fucked a lot. No money was ever mentioned. When she left I gave her the LT fee because I just figured that I should.
In your story, did you offer a fee and they simply refused? Or did you just not give them anything and hope they won't ask?
I don't mind paying the fee cuz that's what CP is all about but.... who doesn't like a freebie? Haha!
RCA Knight
09-27-10, 06:29
China freebies in the end are not free at all. All these years I scored quite a few so-called freebies from discos, streets, shoppings, friend's intros ect, but if you hang around long enough, maybe after several dates, most of them will start taking you on shopping tours, going to nice restaurants, or asking you directly for something they like.
If you really want freebie, better disappear from them after one or two screw.
In China even financially well-off ladies expect you to pay for everything on the night out and also expect nice presents sometimes. I had some experiences with these rich freebie girls, obviously with loaded parents, in Shanghai and Guangzhou in the past. They expect big spendings from their guys. So these are the most expensive freebies.
This is different story in Japan or some other developed nations. In Japan for example, freebies not only free, but if they like you, they will buy presents for you constantly, buy you dinner, or feel comfortable to split the bills with you. Love to receive the heart warming white chocolate on Valentines day from all these Japanese ladies.
In my younger days, Japan was the real freebie paradise.
China freebies in the end are not free at all. All these years I scored quite a few so-called freebies from discos, streets, shoppings, friend's intros ect, but if you hang around long enough, maybe after several dates, most of them will start taking you on shopping tours, going to nice restaurants, or asking you directly for something they like.
If you really want freebie, better disappear from them after one or two screw.
In China even financially well-off ladies expect you to pay for everything on the night out and also expect nice presents sometimes. I had some experiences with these rich freebie girls, obviously with loaded parents, in Shanghai and Guangzhou in the past. They expect big spendings from their guys. So these are the most expensive freebies.
This is different story in Japan or some other developed nations. In Japan for example, freebies not only free, but if they like you, they will buy presents for you constantly, buy you dinner, or feel comfortable to split the bills with you. Love to receive the heart warming white chocolate on Valentines day from all these Japanese ladies.
In my younger days, Japan was the real freebie paradise.
This has not been my experience at all. Sure, I have had a few girls who wanted me to pay for stuff but I have also been with girls for months, screwing them regularly and all for the cost of dinner and sometimes not even that.
There are freebies to be had out there for sure. From my experience you have got to go for professional girls (office workers, etc), and if they speak even a little English then all the better because that, to me at least, shows me that they have an interest in things foreign and are more worldly and open about things. You can find these girls at a few certain places, such as bars that cater for foreigners (although you may also get working girls at these bars), at the gym, while walking around the mall, etc.
I agree with OAH that there are no freebies in CP, but step outside of there and there is rich pickings to be had.
You guys are definitely right about the fact that freebies are hard to come by however...
I find that if you treat a girl like she is your own girlfriend for the night, she will in return and treat you like a king. I had a long chat with my WG after a night of KTV and shagging, she told me that most of the girls are super happy when a younger, good looking chinese guy picks them. And they are even happier if they are semi-nice to them. She said most of the girls really have to work themselves up to a guy whom they are not attracted to in the first place, and its even harder if the guy is an @$$hole.
Needless to say I treated mine like she was my GF for the night and she was all over me the whole night to the point I couldn't even sleep. She asked for my cell phone number before she left and she even called back three days later and see if I wanted to go out to dinner... but I had to turn her down as I had another planned party at another KTV with a bunch of friends...
Even though these girls are WGs, they are very innocent at heart and if you play your cards right, you can open their personality up really well and they will do anything for (to) you. Especially the fresh ones that comes to CP from the villages. Most of them have not seen the cruel world outside.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 21:33
China freebies in the end are not free at all. All these years I scored quite a few so-called freebies from discos, streets, shoppings, friend's intros ect, but if you hang around long enough, maybe after several dates, most of them will start taking you on shopping tours, going to nice restaurants, or asking you directly for something they like.How is that different from any other country? Developed or Developing. In Western countries you take the girls out for many dates and still may not get anything in return and while you paying for all the outing. If you are unlucky enough to develop a meaningful relationship then that even may cost you a lot more than what you bargained for - in case things don't work out. IMHO - there is no freebies no matter where you go - Asia, Europe, North and South America, Africa, etc.
In China even financially well-off ladies expect you to pay for everything on the night out and also expect nice presents sometimes. I had some experiences with these rich freebie girls, obviously with loaded parents, in Shanghai and Guangzhou in the past. They expect big spendings from their guys. So these are the most expensive freebies. Again, that has been my experience all around the world. I was stationed many different places while in Army and girls/ladies always expect you to pay for the outing no matter how rich they were.
This is different story in Japan or some other developed nations. In Japan for example, freebies not only free, but if they like you, they will buy presents for you constantly, buy you dinner, or feel comfortable to split the bills with you. Love to receive the heart warming white chocolate on Valentines day from all these Japanese ladies.This is very interesting. I was stationed in Japan for many years and that is the one place I had hardest time asking for dates and getting lucky. Unless you are Japenese or look Japanese your options in Japan are very limited. Heck even working girls will refuse to go out with you or go on a date let alone some normal girl.
In my younger days, Japan was the real freebie paradise.I take your words for it but my experience had been completely different than yours.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 21:54
Truth speaketh the man!!! I fell for a girl on the second day I was in CP. I got her in Fuhao KTV. She seemed to like me a lot and I really liked her a lot. I really thought that no short time would be needed as we really seemed to "click". However, although my Chinese is good enough for an intelligent enough conversation, her brain was not. She simply slept all day at the hotel and watched all kinds of Chinese soap operas ranging from ones dealing with rich Chinese students at an exclusive school to various historical costume dramas which also featured rich Chinese scheming against each other.
I started to get a kind of relationship with a BBS girl just when my time was up in CP. She had discovered my true dick size, knew I wasn't into anal, wasn't lihai on Viagra, and kept my bodily fluids to myself. I started to like her a lot too. How sad!!! I think LT was in the cards after a couple of good ST sessions. Oh well. Next year in August!!!
I will take the "I-always-come-back-here-a-lot" story on board next time. Thanks for the tips!!!With BBS or other working girls, it is always hit and miss but you do find some girls who are really keepers. I have found a few even in CP where I have been coming for many years and before it was discussed here in details. Things have changed over years but some aspects are for better and the other are not. I speak fluent Mandarin and most of the times I am able to get the girls talking and put them on ease. Also, I am a Chines, ABC, so that may have something to do with it and I always seem to enjoy BBS girls. Primarily I can't afford the model type girls in KTVs and sometimes I do fancy them and wonder what it would be like to have a model or two and spend the time with them and playing children games that we used to play growing up in a very Chinese atmosphere.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 21:55
LA Dude,
There are no freebie WGs in CP. They may not ask you for money directly but they still want to receive it. They expect that as an experienced punter you know the deal.
You know it is a freebie when you meet a girl outside of the industry under normal circumstances. You take her out on a date or, a few dates as the case may be, and you score.
Just my POV.
OAHAgreed. There are no freebie in CP and to most part anywhere in the world. If you think you are getting a freebie then that may be just an illusion so you might as well enjoy it while it lasts.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 21:59
This has not been my experience at all. Sure, I have had a few girls who wanted me to pay for stuff but I have also been with girls for months, screwing them regularly and all for the cost of dinner and sometimes not even that.
There are freebies to be had out there for sure. From my experience you have got to go for professional girls (office workers, etc), and if they speak even a little English then all the better because that, to me at least, shows me that they have an interest in things foreign and are more worldly and open about things. You can find these girls at a few certain places, such as bars that cater for foreigners (although you may also get working girls at these bars), at the gym, while walking around the mall, etc.
I agree with OAH that there are no freebies in CP, but step outside of there and there is rich pickings to be had.I heard stories that in some of the African countries you can have a girl for a cost of beer or a dinner. I found this somewhat true a few times but most of the times it is not the case. Also, your choice is farily limited when it comes to almost free puxxy - over weight, down right ugly, and so forth. Some of the girls are in Africa are model type, such as Iman, etc. but these type of girls are even more expensive than here in the US.
Just my observation.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 22:05
Thanks, OAH and AsnDragon for the insights.
Gives me cause to rethink my approach to LT's and also. Dangerously. Reaffirms my likelihood to seek a one week GF. Hehehe or better yet, two or three 3-day GF's with ST's and saunas sprinkled in between. Have to set the plan and work the plan so I am prepared.
I do speak some Mandarin. I should probably engage more after the deed (typical male I guess) to keep a fire lit. I may have thought they really appreciated playing with iPod or all the tv channels but I think I will try some different techniques.
Look forward to sending some reports. Thankfully this trip avoids Shanghai (though I truly love SH girls but those tragic tales are best written about in the broken hearts thread.) and the current crackdown that seems to be sporadic yet endless.
Thanks
D23I used to do long times frequently after doing my math and realizing long time/per shot sometime was cheaper than short time. I still do my math and go for the cheapest option and if I like the girl then I try to get her phone number and try to hook up directly with the girl which does not always work out. I had a BBS girl a few years ago who had her own apartment and when she got off she would spend the night with me for the same price as a short time but will stay all night and if I could do her 3-4 times she had no problem with that. But these kind of arrangements are hard to come by and I considered myself really lucky to to had such an opportunity.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 22:12
Good Sex = ( (W x T) + ( A x S x M x E ))/Bē
Note: Higher the number the better
defined as:
A = age
B = Cup Size (A = 1 to D = 4)
S = Darkness of Skin (Brown = 5 to White = 1)
W = weight in KG
M = blemishes on face (flawless = 1 to heavy = 5)
E = type of eyes (unattractive = 5 to mesmerizing = 1)
T = number of tattoosThis is an invalid equation. By subsituting it with real values it makes no sense unless a flat chested, ugly, cow is what turns you on. Even then it is still invalud in mathematical terms.
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 22:16
Nooooo.....Meiguoguizi....Bruce T sex is "I can't believe I'm f**king this gir...oh damn, I came...."."LOL. So true!! That is always the case with me.
I'm BF-material. Unfortunately, I'm also nicknamed "RAIN OUT."
Poorbutthappy
09-27-10, 22:49
Even though I have been coming to CP for many years and know of a few hotels, I am still wondering what would be cheapest hotel option in CP. My family is from Guangdong and I have a lot of family in Guangdoing so I end up staying some with the family but would like to know what are the cheapest options and where.
I am not a cheapskate but would like to save money on hotel so I can spend it on girls - they are more deserving ones - IMHO.
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 02:27
LA Dude,
There are no freebie WGs in CP. They may not ask you for money directly but they still want to receive it. They expect that as an experienced punter you know the deal.
You know it is a freebie when you meet a girl outside of the industry under normal circumstances. You take her out on a date or, a few dates as the case may be, and you score.
Just my POV.
OAH
I agree with this assessment... Unless you guys have a good relationship... i mean a relationship outside of just F'ing every time you guys meet... then I think you could consider not paying.
I mean I've tested girls to see if they wanted to get paid, and had lots of girls practically walk out the door and had to kind of chase them down to give them money. But I've also had that happen before and the girl COME BACK and say she forgot her tip... so I'm not sure if they would cut their losses so as to not "ask" for the money... but I seriously doubt it... I've always paid, so I've never had to get into that "awkward situation"... but I'm sure at the end of the day, they would have said something.
I did this past trip have two exceptions to the rule: 1. a girl I had before that has really gotten out of the biz. She has a BF now that takes care of her, helped her open up a shop. We've been chatting through QQ and she has always says she liked me (who knows why)... but genuinely likes to hang out and when I was back, we did just hang out away from my apt... did nothing, and the second night, she wanted to come over to "watch a movie" and then wanted to spend the night... she left in the morning before I woke up... she later explained that she left in a hurry because she DID NOT want me to give her money. That she purposely left because of this. Now this defintiely is the EXCEPTION to the rule, because in her mind, she's out of the biz, and wanted to be normal (in CP??) but whatever, it works for me. She's since come over a few times, and she actually got upset at me (not really upset, but sort of disappointed) when I told her I was seeing someone (non-working gal on a regular basis).
I've done her a few times since my first arrival last time, and now, she's sort of MIA... bound to reappear one day later I'm sure... haha...
But as a general rule, unless it's a non-working gal, (but I've had DJ's come over to F and expect to get paid), and you've had to court her like a normal dating excursion... I thin kthe general rule is to always pay... I honestly feel better about paying because there are no strings... when you don't pay... and unless you're fortunate to be her booty call.. there are certain expectations attached...
As my wise friend told me... you pay them money to leave!! if you don't,, they may never leave!!
-J
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 02:29
So when you going to meet her parents??
You guys are definitely right about the fact that freebies are hard to come by however...
I find that if you treat a girl like she is your own girlfriend for the night, she will in return and treat you like a king. I had a long chat with my WG after a night of KTV and shagging, she told me that most of the girls are super happy when a younger, good looking chinese guy picks them. And they are even happier if they are semi-nice to them. She said most of the girls really have to work themselves up to a guy whom they are not attracted to in the first place, and its even harder if the guy is an @$$hole.
Needless to say I treated mine like she was my GF for the night and she was all over me the whole night to the point I couldn't even sleep. She asked for my cell phone number before she left and she even called back three days later and see if I wanted to go out to dinner... but I had to turn her down as I had another planned party at another KTV with a bunch of friends...
Even though these girls are WGs, they are very innocent at heart and if you play your cards right, you can open their personality up really well and they will do anything for (to) you. Especially the fresh ones that comes to CP from the villages. Most of them have not seen the cruel world outside.
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 05:02
Seems CP has its ebs and flows.... been pretty quiet here for the last week.. I mean literally no groups of guys coming into town.. when it's usually a pretty steady stream.
Anything going on? or is it just the regular cycle...
I know next weekend we should have a pretty big group of my friends coming in... but otherwise, doesn't seem like there's much going on.
Who else is in town? I'll be here until Monday.. then I'm off.
-J
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 05:05
Even though I have been coming to CP for many years and know of a few hotels, I am still wondering what would be cheapest hotel option in CP. My family is from Guangdong and I have a lot of family in Guangdoing so I end up staying some with the family but would like to know what are the cheapest options and where.
I am not a cheapskate but would like to save money on hotel so I can spend it on girls - they are more deserving ones - IMHO.
There are a ton of cheap hotels in town... depends how cheap you want to get.. I mean, I know some about 100 rmb, but they're pretty ghetto... no windows... something you'd find in TJ or something...
the more standardized places that are acceptable would probably fit into the Clipper/Virgin/HuiMei range...
But if you want cheap, i'm sure you won't have a problem. Check out Lucky Hotel.. it's probably under 200.. .and then there's a htoel right behind Hui MEi right at the entrance to the Hui Mei Alley... that one seems like it's probably like 160-170... if you want cheaper than that... I'm sure there are some, but I would have no idea where they are because they probably don't even look like hotels.
-J
Someone else with better knowledge should fill in here... I just know the mid-range stuff...
Mit Fo Lfe
09-28-10, 06:57
Seems CP has its ebs and flows.... been pretty quiet here for the last week.. I mean literally no groups of guys coming into town.. when it's usually a pretty steady stream.
Anything going on? or is it just the regular cycle...
I know next weekend we should have a pretty big group of my friends coming in... but otherwise, doesn't seem like there's much going on.
Who else is in town? I'll be here until Monday.. then I'm off.
-J
Damn I wish I could join in on the fun this weekend. Make sure to tell me all about the festivities!
Cunning Linguist
09-28-10, 11:08
You guys are definitely right about the fact that freebies are hard to come by however...
I find that if you treat a girl like she is your own girlfriend for the night, she will in return and treat you like a king. I had a long chat with my WG after a night of KTV and shagging, she told me that most of the girls are super happy when a younger, good looking chinese guy picks them. And they are even happier if they are semi-nice to them. She said most of the girls really have to work themselves up to a guy whom they are not attracted to in the first place, and its even harder if the guy is an @$$hole.
Needless to say I treated mine like she was my GF for the night and she was all over me the whole night to the point I couldn't even sleep. She asked for my cell phone number before she left and she even called back three days later and see if I wanted to go out to dinner... but I had to turn her down as I had another planned party at another KTV with a bunch of friends...
Even though these girls are WGs, they are very innocent at heart and if you play your cards right, you can open their personality up really well and they will do anything for (to) you. Especially the fresh ones that comes to CP from the villages. Most of them have not seen the cruel world outside.
I suppose that depends on the girl. I always treat the KTV girls (and all others) not only like a girlfriend but as veritable princess. I am limao (polite) to a fault. However, my experience so far has been patchy. Most of the time, they seem to take advantage of me.Often, they are not even nice and frown contemptuously when I fail to understand their heavily accented, sloppy, non-standard Mandarin (akin to somebody learning the Queen's English only to be faced with someone speaking with a hillbilly accent from the Ozarks) . Maybe if I were a Chinese or an ABC, who spoke perfect Chinese, I would get better results. I am not exactly bad-looking (some might disagree with that) but am relatively well-preserved.
In any case, we Laowais have to slog on and improve our Chinese (and looks, I suppose).
My question is, what is the limit for being nice and what to do when you are being walked over? What is a guy to do?
Some instances. I am having a footsie massage with a KTV girl (she is also having a massage). When the masseuse asks me various things in a weird accent, I simply don't understand and I say sorry. The KTV girl looks at the my masseuse and says contemptuously "Ta ting bu dong" (he doesn't understand)
The girl says, "hurry up, hurry up" while we are doing it.
Many times, too big, can't do. Some have told me to tell them to get the hell out. Are they right?
I suppose that depends on the girl. I always treat the KTV girls (and all others) not only like a girlfriend but as veritable princess. I am limao (polite) to a fault. However, my experience so far has been patchy. Most of the time, they seem to take advantage of me.Often, they are not even nice and frown contemptuously when I fail to understand their heavily accented, sloppy, non-standard Mandarin (akin to somebody learning the Queen's English only to be faced with someone speaking with a hillbilly accent from the Ozarks) . Maybe if I were a Chinese or an ABC, who spoke perfect Chinese, I would get better results. I am not exactly bad-looking (some might disagree with that) but am relatively well-preserved.
In any case, we Laowais have to slog on and improve our Chinese (and looks, I suppose).
My question is, what is the limit for being nice and what to do when you are being walked over? What is a guy to do?
Some instances. I am having a footsie massage with a KTV girl (she is also having a massage). When the masseuse asks me various things in a weird accent, I simply don't understand and I say sorry. The KTV girl looks at the my masseuse and says contemptuously "Ta ting bu dong" (he doesn't understand)
The girl says, "hurry up, hurry up" while we are doing it.
Many times, too big, can't do. Some have told me to tell them to get the hell out. Are they right?
I don't have much experience with freebies so I can do say:
1) Even if you speak perfect Mandarin, are Chinese, the girls may still be impatient with your apparent lack of comprehension. My personal experience with mainland Chinese is that they (especially the older ones and those from the countryside) consider their accent as the de facto gold standard. Leaving alone the academic argument of which accent should be considered as more authentic (I like the northern accent for the crisp enunciation), it just never crosses their mind that maybe there are people who are not used to their accent.
2) this whole "he doesn't understand" nonsense could be rudeness or just plain ignorance. Best not dwell on the fact that you are a polyglot.
3) I think a couple of seniors have suggested over the years that you should treat them as what they are. I like to treat the girls nice too but it only goes so far. This is still a business transactions so don't get too hand up over the lack of respect. Cheers
You guys are definitely right about the fact that freebies are hard to come by however...
I find that if you treat a girl like she is your own girlfriend for the night, she will in return and treat you like a king. I had a long chat with my WG after a night of KTV and shagging, she told me that most of the girls are super happy when a younger, good looking chinese guy picks them. And they are even happier if they are semi-nice to them. She said most of the girls really have to work themselves up to a guy whom they are not attracted to in the first place, and its even harder if the guy is an @$$hole.
Needless to say I treated mine like she was my GF for the night and she was all over me the whole night to the point I couldn't even sleep. She asked for my cell phone number before she left and she even called back three days later and see if I wanted to go out to dinner... but I had to turn her down as I had another planned party at another KTV with a bunch of friends...
Even though these girls are WGs, they are very innocent at heart and if you play your cards right, you can open their personality up really well and they will do anything for (to) you. Especially the fresh ones that comes to CP from the villages. Most of them have not seen the cruel world outside.
I had the unfortunate luck of maintaining a sort of long distance relationship with a WG. Had a good time with her and even hung out with the girl in CP. Kept on texting and QQ her. Really planning for a trip to southern China with her. Yes, paid or unpaid shagging will be nice, but I rather like her personality. Unfortunately, she starts thinking more of me as a potential boyfriend and wanted to swing by her hometown for a quick parents meet. Oh yeah, I should pay for absolutely everything since she is kind of like my girlfriend. Er, I guess there'll be no free shagging with her while vacationing.
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 16:12
I suppose that depends on the girl. I always treat the KTV girls (and all others) not only like a girlfriend but as veritable princess. I am limao (polite) to a fault. However, my experience so far has been patchy. Most of the time, they seem to take advantage of me.Often, they are not even nice and frown contemptuously when I fail to understand their heavily accented, sloppy, non-standard Mandarin (akin to somebody learning the Queen's English only to be faced with someone speaking with a hillbilly accent from the Ozarks) . Maybe if I were a Chinese or an ABC, who spoke perfect Chinese, I would get better results. I am not exactly bad-looking (some might disagree with that) but am relatively well-preserved.
In any case, we Laowais have to slog on and improve our Chinese (and looks, I suppose).
My question is, what is the limit for being nice and what to do when you are being walked over? What is a guy to do?
Some instances. I am having a footsie massage with a KTV girl (she is also having a massage). When the masseuse asks me various things in a weird accent, I simply don't understand and I say sorry. The KTV girl looks at the my masseuse and says contemptuously "Ta ting bu dong" (he doesn't understand)
The girl says, "hurry up, hurry up" while we are doing it.
Many times, too big, can't do. Some have told me to tell them to get the hell out. Are they right?
CL:
I think it's more about the girl than your technique... honestly - it's about picking a girl who you click with rather than grouping them all as one and saying that this magic sequence of actions will get you better results...
Some girls just aren't into laowai's, but all of them are into money... so they'll go with you for the right price, but that doesn't mean they have to like it. Then again, there's girls who like you and like the money too... the constant is the money. The variable is whether they give you good service...
In the end, it's folding a bad hand... like having a hot chick is having a pair of Kings but you know you have to lay it down because there's an Ace on the board. Just fold and see another day. Otherwise you get stuck with a bad hand and lose all your chips (that's my analogy to sperm). Haha...
Anyways, I think if you ahd a girl who had a better attitude/better girl and played he same cards, you would have had a much better experience... problem is that our little heads way too often try to take charge ...
You'll see a ton of posts in the past about picking and about what kind of girl will give better service... even good looking young abc's or hong kongnese with money don't get good service... now they probably have better odds, because it fits into the range of what girls "like" more, but i've met a ton of girls with different tastes in what they tend to "like" more.
Just don't forget, they all like money... and that's what it's all about... so you might as well find someone who will give you a good time while taking your money.
-Good luck.
-J
Jettsetter
09-28-10, 16:16
I suppose that depends on the girl. I always treat the KTV girls (and all others) not only like a girlfriend but as veritable princess. I am limao (polite) to a fault. However, my experience so far has been patchy. Most of the time, they seem to take advantage of me.Often, they are not even nice and frown contemptuously when I fail to understand their heavily accented, sloppy, non-standard Mandarin (akin to somebody learning the Queen's English only to be faced with someone speaking with a hillbilly accent from the Ozarks) . Maybe if I were a Chinese or an ABC, who spoke perfect Chinese, I would get better results. I am not exactly bad-looking (some might disagree with that) but am relatively well-preserved.
In any case, we Laowais have to slog on and improve our Chinese (and looks, I suppose).
My question is, what is the limit for being nice and what to do when you are being walked over? What is a guy to do?
Some instances. I am having a footsie massage with a KTV girl (she is also having a massage). When the masseuse asks me various things in a weird accent, I simply don't understand and I say sorry. The KTV girl looks at the my masseuse and says contemptuously "Ta ting bu dong" (he doesn't understand)
The girl says, "hurry up, hurry up" while we are doing it.
Many times, too big, can't do. Some have told me to tell them to get the hell out. Are they right?
I don't agree with being a pushover, but I don't agree with being an a-hole either... I think a happy medium.. treat them nice as long as it's reciprocated, but the moment it turns where they fail to reciprocate, then I'll turn on my business/I don't take S-H-*-T persona... so that usually spells, get the heck out, I'll find someone else who can do a way better job than you.
REmember, they're after your money... it can be a pleasant transaction or an unpleasant one. I'd rather it be pleasant and if it's not going to be, I'll just take my business elsewhere.
I've had girls insist on their wants when we get back to the room, I just stop, give them the 200 and tell them to roll... no sense in trying to "salvage" something once the attitude and "unpleasant" routine starts... I'll save my money and go elsewhere or just live to hunt another night.
-J
CL:
I think it's more about the girl than your technique... honestly - it's about picking a girl who you click with rather than grouping them all as one and saying that this magic sequence of actions will get you better results...
Some girls just aren't into laowai's, but all of them are into money... so they'll go with you for the right price, but that doesn't mean they have to like it. Then again, there's girls who like you and like the money too... the constant is the money. The variable is whether they give you good service...
In the end, it's folding a bad hand... like having a hot chick is having a pair of Kings but you know you have to lay it down because there's an Ace on the board. Just fold and see another day. Otherwise you get stuck with a bad hand and lose all your chips (that's my analogy to sperm). Haha...
Anyways, I think if you ahd a girl who had a better attitude/better girl and played he same cards, you would have had a much better experience... problem is that our little heads way too often try to take charge ...
You'll see a ton of posts in the past about picking and about what kind of girl will give better service... even good looking young abc's or hong kongnese with money don't get good service... now they probably have better odds, because it fits into the range of what girls "like" more, but i've met a ton of girls with different tastes in what they tend to "like" more.
Just don't forget, they all like money... and that's what it's all about... so you might as well find someone who will give you a good time while taking your money.
-Good luck.
-J
Kenny Rogers said it best! Gotta know when to fold 'em!
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