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Hey CL,
You seem to be doing ok when we partied. Girls were having a good time. Why don't you try asking directly? Ni shibushihuan laowai? If they give a negative response, just move on. If they are outwardly positive. Go for it! And never listen to pushy mommies. They don't even know the girl half the time. Jettsetter is correct. Always another girl where that come from. I fall into the ABC category, and it definitely isn't a given. I probably bat 75-80% with my high standards. Still learning from Jett, Slowerbetter, Jim Traveller, and a few other experts.
LAMonkey
CL:
I think it's more about the girl than your technique... honestly - it's about picking a girl who you click with rather than grouping them all as one and saying that this magic sequence of actions will get you better results...
Some girls just aren't into laowai's, but all of them are into money... so they'll go with you for the right price, but that doesn't mean they have to like it. Then again, there's girls who like you and like the money too... the constant is the money. The variable is whether they give you good service...
In the end, it's folding a bad hand... like having a hot chick is having a pair of Kings but you know you have to lay it down because there's an Ace on the board. Just fold and see another day. Otherwise you get stuck with a bad hand and lose all your chips (that's my analogy to sperm). Haha...
Anyways, I think if you ahd a girl who had a better attitude/better girl and played he same cards, you would have had a much better experience... problem is that our little heads way too often try to take charge ...
You'll see a ton of posts in the past about picking and about what kind of girl will give better service... even good looking young abc's or hong kongnese with money don't get good service... now they probably have better odds, because it fits into the range of what girls "like" more, but i've met a ton of girls with different tastes in what they tend to "like" more.
Just don't forget, they all like money... and that's what it's all about... so you might as well find someone who will give you a good time while taking your money.
-Good luck.
-J
Cunning Linguist
09-28-10, 20:01
CL:
Some girls just aren't into laowai's, but all of them are into money... so they'll go with you for the right price, but that doesn't mean they have to like it. Then again, there's girls who like you and like the money too... the constant is the money. The variable is whether they give you good service...
In the end, it's folding a bad hand... like having a hot chick is having a pair of Kings but you know you have to lay it down because there's an Ace on the board. Just fold and see another day. Otherwise you get stuck with a bad hand and lose all your chips (that's my analogy to sperm). Haha...
Just don't forget, they all like money... and that's what it's all about... so you might as well find someone who will give you a good time while taking your money.
-Good luck.
-J
Yes, you are so very right and money is the be-all and end-all of the affair(s). The first KTV girl I really fell for became jaded after a couple of days. Her cute little, empty head had nothing else to say and nothing to scheme about. This is the end our conversation:
Me (in all seriousness)
最后， 你要怎么？
Zuihou, ni yao shenme?
In the end, what do you want?
The girl (laughing)
我要钱，我要钱， 钱， 钱， 钱!!!
Wo yao qian, wo yao qian, qian, qian!!!
I want money, I want money, money, money!!!
Not long after that, she had some money and was out. Her very words still ring in my ears! (ha!) Incidently, on my last night at Fuhao, I saw her at the flower show. She seemed interested in me, nay, rather keen, ... but I wasn't so much in her.
Thanks for the tips. You are the one I remember who advised me to kick them out when they get nasty or rude. It is hard for me but some day, I will learn from the master (you and others)
I agree with this assessment... Unless you guys have a good relationship... i mean a relationship outside of just F'ing every time you guys meet... then I think you could consider not paying.
-J
That is very good advice and a good barometer of payment. I too have tested some girls that have called me to come over, one in particular came over while on work (a mommie at KTV)- jumped me - then we were done and asked for xiaofei on way out the door. I bit surpriseod since she initiated, but not that surprised as she is in it for the money. and it was worth it.
I paid since by the above gauge of Jett we were f'ing friends. I have had some girls refuse the money simply because that is their way of showing they want more. I surprisingly had this from a semi regular that is all about the money (as in she would not even give you a multiday discount) and suddenly she doesnt want to be paid. How do you play that then?
Poorbutthappy
09-28-10, 20:06
i don't have much experience with freebies so i can do say:
1) even if you speak perfect mandarin, are chinese, the girls may still be impatient with your apparent lack of comprehension. my personal experience with mainland chinese is that they (especially the older ones and those from the countryside) consider their accent as the de facto gold standard. leaving alone the academic argument of which accent should be considered as more authentic (i like the northern accent for the crisp enunciation), it just never crosses their mind that maybe there are people who are not used to their accent. i am not sure if it is just accent or there is fundamentally difference in comprehension. take my mom for example, she is 86 years old, came to the us over 60+ years ago, and still only speaks maybe 10 words of english. however, her chinese dialects seem to be stuck when she left china. now when she has younger visitor from her home city they had somewhat hard time understanding her as the words and dialect she uses have been modified, discontinued, or have been simply replaced by modern dialects. since i grew up listening to my mom, dad, and older siblings speak the same dialects that were spoken 60+ years ago when i am back in southern china and cp some girls make fun of it as they considered it ancient, something they may have never heard or heard their grandparents speaking and have since been forgotten the meanings of some of these words and dialects. electronic revolution, radio, tv, and now internet has speed up the linguistic modernization and my mom who was never really exposed to these tools never really learned the changing dialects that became mainstream, even in her own city and providence. just mpov.
Cunning Linguist
09-28-10, 20:08
Hey CL,
You seem to be doing ok when we partied. Girls were having a good time. Why don't you try asking directly? Ni shibushihuan laowai? If they give a negative response, just move on. If they are outwardly positive. Go for it! And never listen to pushy mommies. They don't even know the girl half the time. Jettsetter is correct. Always another girl where that come from. I fall into the ABC category, and it definitely isn't a given. I probably bat 75-80% with my high standards. Still learning from Jett, Slowerbetter, Jim Traveller, and a few other experts.
LAMonkey
I asked them directly about the Laowai situation. They always answer positively. It is once we are in the hotel room (save for the KTV girl that I really fell for), their act seemed to sour a bit (if indeed, it did sour) . In any case, I am really pining for CP. Despite the few bad apples, I had a feast otherwise. I am busy working on improving my Chinese. I hope to learn the advanced level vocabulary of the HSK (the Chinese standard test) by next year. I also plan to buff up for next year. Of course, money is the name of the game, but allow me to fantasize in the meantime!!!! It keeps me young.
I also hope to see you and the others in August next year (I wish I could come before!!!)
difficult to get below 150-160 but you can go to the hotels towards the train station, or there is one hotel that is between Lihao and Clipper set back from swan lake road... there is a negative to not spending the few extra for a clipper/swan lake, etc hotel. the quality of service. I did hear one story of a bbs girl asking for money up front because the hotel was a dive. she didnt trust the punter...
I asked them directly about the Laowai situation. They always answer positively.
In front of mommie, they always say yes TO ANYTHING.
the better way to ask i find is to say 怕不怕我 pa bu pa wo (afraid not afraid of me) - any hesitation you know... i have seen girls hide, obviously don't take them, and others just look them in the eye and ask - or whisper in the ear and quickly look at their face.
Easier to read than a book. Some girls have the every laowei 12" dick myth from some porn.. and some want to try.. and others don't care others are terrified. no answer or any hesitation you move on. if they answer quickly then you have to appreciate the enthusiasm... take them.
Poorbutthappy
09-28-10, 20:28
difficult to get below 150-160 but you can go to the hotels towards the train station, or there is one hotel that is between Lihao and Clipper set back from swan lake road. There is a negative to not spending the few extra for a clipper/swan lake, etc hotel. The quality of service. I did hear one story of a bbs girl asking for money up front because the hotel was a dive. She didn't trust the punter.LOL. I was doing my math and since I usally stay at Clippers that is around 300rmb so if I can reduce this by let's say by 100rmb then every two days I can have an extra BBS gir. If I can cut my hotel stay to let's say 150rmb a day then I can do 2 extra BBS girls every 3 days or so. At the same time, security is an important aspect of the hotel and if saving 100-150rmb a day is going to jepordize security then IMHO it is not worth it. Wish the BBS had a loyalty program where repeat customers get a free session after every 10 or so paid sessions.
Poorbutthappy
09-28-10, 20:48
i don't agree with being a pushover, but i don't agree with being an a-hole either. i think a happy medium. treat them nice as long as it's reciprocated, but the moment it turns where they fail to reciprocate, then i'll turn on my business/i don't take s-h-*-t persona. so that usually spells, get the heck out, i'll find someone else who can do a way better job than you.
remember, they're after your money. it can be a pleasant transaction or an unpleasant one. i'd rather it be pleasant and if it's not going to be, i'll just take my business elsewhere.
i've had girls insist on their wants when we get back to the room, i just stop, give them the 200 and tell them to roll. no sense in trying to "salvage" something once the attitude and "unpleasant" routine starts. i'll save my money and go elsewhere or just live to hunt another night.
-jsince i am mostly into bbs actions and sometimes my trips are a few months apart and sometimes many months but i hardly see the same girls in cp bbs months after months. i have seen a very few girls that were there from my last trip so what i get out of this is that most of the bbs girls are there for a short time to make as much money as they can and then return to their villages and go with their normal life. so i come across many girls who are just starting out and are really afraid/ashamed of what they doing and just want the experience to be over with as soon as possible, get their money, and then run back to their comfort zone and peers. i had taken a girl out a couple of years ago and i was told i was her very first customer in cp. i did sense the girl was really did not want to go with me but mommy was pushing her so she had no choice and i just liked the girl as there was something innocent about her. we went back to the hotel and she was really nervous and did not do anything for a while and i had to take the lead and put her to ease. she was not panicky or anything likes that but she was like an idle and she did what she was told. so i really felt bad for the girl and the whole situation and i did something that is not normal for me and i ordered room service so my girl could eat some food don't do for too many girls and i ordered some room service so my girl could eat and feel and bit relaxed with me. and i think it worked and she enjoyed the food and we talked a lot before it was time for her to return and we had not even taken our clothes off. long story short, after a couple of hours of thinking i went back to the bbs and took out the same girl again and this time for a long time and that was one of my best experience in cp to date. most of these girls are afraid, ashamed, and are put in these situations for some reasons and as long as we understand this and treat them with respect i think it is a winning combination for both parties.
So when you going to meet her parents??Haha no thanks, I don't want to feel like that I was the fish and she was the fisherman and got me on a hook. It was my first trip for hobbying and I just wanted taste the cultural variety and learn more about their late night customs.
I definitely agree with others that you don't want to be so extra nice that they come realize that you can be pushed over. At the end of the night, you are the paying customer and if she gives a bad attitude, then send her home and complain to the mommy.
I guess I've been lucky to run into girls whom have awesome personalities.. but I also realize that it is merely a business transaction and that the girls are simply wearing the mask that their customer wants to see. But at least I play and pay happy.
Mit Fo Lfe
09-28-10, 21:51
Yes, you are so very right and money is the be-all and end-all of the affair(s). The first KTV girl I really fell for became jaded after a couple of days. Her cute little, empty head had nothing else to say and nothing to scheme about. This is the end our conversation:
Me (in all seriousness)
最后， 你要怎么？
Zuihou, ni yao shenme?
In the end, what do you want?
The girl (laughing)
我要钱，我要钱， 钱， 钱， 钱!!!
Wo yao qian, wo yao qian, qian, qian!!!
I want money, I want money, money, money!!!
Not long after that, she had some money and was out. Her very words still ring in my ears! (ha!) Incidently, on my last night at Fuhao, I saw her at the flower show. She seemed interested in me, nay, rather keen, ... but I wasn't so much in her.
Thanks for the tips. You are the one I remember who advised me to kick them out when they get nasty or rude. It is hard for me but some day, I will learn from the master (you and others)
Remember our conversation on the phone that night at Eurasia?? You couldve ditched her and found a new girl at Eurasia. Iirc we do have similar tastes and I saw atleast 5-6 in the lineups that night. I did however bring sand to the beach but tried to get phone numbers. I too need to be reminded to kick them to the curb when their service sucks.
Jettsetter
09-29-10, 04:55
I asked them directly about the Laowai situation. They always answer positively. It is once we are in the hotel room (save for the KTV girl that I really fell for), their act seemed to sour a bit (if indeed, it did sour) . In any case, I am really pining for CP. Despite the few bad apples, I had a feast otherwise. I am busy working on improving my Chinese. I hope to learn the advanced level vocabulary of the HSK (the Chinese standard test) by next year. I also plan to buff up for next year. Of course, money is the name of the game, but allow me to fantasize in the meantime!!!! It keeps me young.
I also hope to see you and the others in August next year (I wish I could come before!!!)
I think guys who are too nice fall into the "RAIN OUT" Category... See, being nice is okay to a certain extent, to show that you're a good guy (again, this fantasy land, don't be fooled, I'm saying this all as part of the game we play)....
But at least that's the impression you give, you're a good guy... okay.. but that only works to a certain extent, for them to be comfortable with you. At some point, you have to turn the table a bit and become the "man" so to speak. I see this simply as the fact that girls aren't into f'ing their little brother, they want to F a "man" - not a boy... (again, I have no myths about the money thing... but i think it correlates with service)...
So at some oint you have to lessen the "yes maam attitude," and turn it to the grab their hair and kiss me attitude (well maybe something less than that until you know they're into that)... point is that I think Freepeaks does a good job of playing the cool collected guy the girls get into... he's not an a-hole, but isn't super nice either... he's courteous.. but he plays the role of a hunter, man, caveman, etc.. whatever you want to call it.
My game is usually to not play the bullshit, i'm not going to touch them shit, and gnetly put my arms around them.. I go directly for their waist, and start arousing them from the moment we meet... i am nice as I talk to them, etc.. but I don't play any boyish stuff with them... i set the precedent right away...
Hey.. sometimes it works but I have a pretty good batting average with service... but then again, I pick girls who I think fro mthe start will give good service.. I do the Dr J - questions to get a feel, see how they interact with other people and continue that in the room...
Usually I pick well.. sometimes, I pick poorly... oh well that's part of the fun of it...
but the mistake I think that you made was not letting go when you had a bad night... it's NOT going to get better.. it starts off good and gets better... but it doesn't start off bad and get better - EVER!
That's MIt 4 Life's problem too... I know he gets some of what he wants, and thinks he can turn them around... I say let go and find a fish that's willin g to do it all.
-J
ManonsanBoy
09-29-10, 20:29
Any advice on this town? RFF but little help. Thanks.
Cunning Linguist
09-30-10, 00:21
i am not sure if it is just accent or there is fundamentally difference in comprehension. take my mom for example, she is 86 years old, came to the us over 60+ years ago, and still only speaks maybe 10 words of english. however, her chinese dialects seem to be stuck when she left china. now when she has younger visitor from her home city they had somewhat hard time understanding her as the words and dialect she uses have been modified, discontinued, or have been simply replaced by modern dialects. since i grew up listening to my mom, dad, and older siblings speak the same dialects that were spoken 60+ years ago when i am back in southern china and cp some girls make fun of it as they considered it ancient, something they may have never heard or heard their grandparents speaking and have since been forgotten the meanings of some of these words and dialects. electronic revolution, radio, tv, and now internet has speed up the linguistic modernization and my mom who was never really exposed to these tools never really learned the changing dialects that became mainstream, even in her own city and providence. just mpov.
very interesting indeed. chinese has changed immensely since the time your mother left. arguably, it has never changed so fast in such little time. it is not that dialects are changing but rather the enormous inroads that mandarin has made. all media is practically entirely in standard mandarin and dialects have been banished from the airwaves. children are not allowed to speak anything but mandarin in school, not even on the playground. before, i have been told, children learnt hanzi in the local dialect as the teachers often did not know standard mandarin. now, even the characters themselves have been simplified and know everybody under 25 knows pinyin, at least enough to use qq and send text messages using pinyin. this is what your mother has missed out on. don't forget her dialect though. it is a linguistic treasure. although the various difanghua of china bedevil me, they are fascinating indeed.
the girls in cp speak mandarin with a mixture of the accent from home and the chinese they learnt at school and watch on tv. you are lucky to have both worlds, difanghua and mandarin.
Just Seven
09-30-10, 06:19
If all goes to plan, I will be in CP this weekend Saturday - Monday
If anyone is in CP (I think Jettsetter and some others), I still dont have PM's enabled, but would love to take care of that problem in person as well as enjoy some quality KTV time with some fellow brothers.
Will be checking the thread and keep up to date!
Hopefully see you soon
Ritz
Great stuff with the poker analogies Jett. Had me rolling!
Here's my poker analogy to a BBS girl I had in CP.
She had a great rack but average face. Mamasan said that she had been told she gives a really good bbbj. Definetly not a pair of Cowboys.... more like a small suited connector say a 6-7 of clubs. Not really a strong hand but potential to win a huge pot if the board falls right for you.
I decided to call the flop so I called mamasan and told her to send the chick to my room. Once she got there her service was very average and all she did was complain about this and that. She gave me a half hearted bbbj and then closed her eyes when I was fucking her. I was not feeling it so my wood went south.
At this time I'm already in the pot for 200 RMB but I'm not putting anymore money in there. So I decide to check the turn. I told her to give me another bj and she did for a little bit and then tried to give me a very weak hj. So now I've seen all the cards and its all blanks. Now I know I've got a losing hand. I can either fold the hand and lose 200 RMB or try to bluff at the pot. I decide to try a bluff. I told her I was disappointed with her service and would complain to her mamasan. She just said okay and called my bluff. Paid her my 200 RMB and chalked up another losing hand.
CL:
In the end, it's folding a bad hand... like having a hot chick is having a pair of Kings but you know you have to lay it down because there's an Ace on the board. Just fold and see another day. Otherwise you get stuck with a bad hand and lose all your chips (that's my analogy to sperm). Haha...
-J
I do the Dr J - questions to get a feel, see how they interact with other people and continue that in the room...
-J
What are his questions? I have never found this out..
Cunning Linguist
09-30-10, 16:02
I have been wondering about how to have an engaging conversation with a KTV girl (or even a BBS girl). Of course, I am well aware that they are not well-educated nor given to talk about China's stunning economic growth, Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch, reasons for the downfall of the Ming dynasty, string theory, or the future implications of nanotechnology. Moreover, most of them know little about football, soccer, baseball or basketball. However, I feel there is a possibility to gain a foothold, a kind of beachhead in their little world.
For instance, when I was in Haiti, I was talking to a nice girl. She was nice, correct, but a bit distant. It was a very big help that I could talk to her in Haitian Creole but that was just not enough. You can just go so far with, where are you from? Tell me about your family. Do you like it here?, etc.
Then, the topic of the Brazilian football team came up. I know only 10 things about soccer in general (out of 100,000 things to know) but I knew enough about Brazil and her football team to delight her. She really lit up and suddenly became genuinely enthused with me. Just saying some of the names of the players threw her into a tizzy. Hmmm.
Thus, what do the KTV girls like to talk about? I suppose Chinese pop music and soap operas but where could I find out about that, at least a digest of what there is to know in order to fake knowing a bit about their little world? By the time I go back, I am going to be well-versed in things about Hubei, Hunan, and Anhui provinces (e.g. geography, food, etc.) Those seemed to be the main places where the girls came from. However, I am sure that I should know more things that rock a KTV's girl's little mind.
Yep, it is great to talk the lingo but if there is nothing to talk about, it is not enough. The more fun, the better the service. And playing dice can get you only so far. What do you guys talk about? What topics seem to engage them more? I am sure this will be of interest to everyone on the thread and would be very useful to those who come to CP.
That's a great question/post... here's my contribution:
1. Korean vs. Cantonese Dramas
2. Learn the Card game "DouDiZhu"
3. Bring/Give them a small gift from your home country
LAMonkey
I have been wondering about how to have an engaging conversation with a KTV girl (or even a BBS girl). Of course, I am well aware that they are not well-educated nor given to talk about China's stunning economic growth, Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch, reasons for the downfall of the Ming dynasty, string theory, or the future implications of nanotechnology. Moreover, most of them know little about football, soccer, baseball or basketball. However, I feel there is a possibility to gain a foothold, a kind of beachhead in their little world.
For instance, when I was in Haiti, I was talking to a nice girl. She was nice, correct, but a bit distant. It was a very big help that I could talk to her in Haitian Creole but that was just not enough. You can just go so far with, where are you from? Tell me about your family. Do you like it here?, etc.
Then, the topic of the Brazilian football team came up. I know only 10 things about soccer in general (out of 100,000 things to know) but I knew enough about Brazil and her football team to delight her. She really lit up and suddenly became genuinely enthused with me. Just saying some of the names of the players threw her into a tizzy. Hmmm.
Thus, what do the KTV girls like to talk about? I suppose Chinese pop music and soap operas but where could I find out about that, at least a digest of what there is to know in order to fake knowing a bit about their little world? By the time I go back, I am going to be well-versed in things about Hubei, Hunan, and Anhui provinces (e.g. geography, food, etc.) Those seemed to be the main places where the girls came from. However, I am sure that I should know more things that rock a KTV's girl's little mind.
Yep, it is great to talk the lingo but if there is nothing to talk about, it is not enough. The more fun, the better the service. And playing dice can get you only so far. What do you guys talk about? What topics seem to engage them more? I am sure this will be of interest to everyone on the thread and would be very useful to those who come to CP.
Poorbutthappy
09-30-10, 19:51
I have been wondering about how to have an engaging conversation with a KTV girl (or even a BBS girl). Of course, I am well aware that they are not well-educated nor given to talk about China's stunning economic growth, Nietzsche's concept of the Übermensch, reasons for the downfall of the Ming dynasty, string theory, or the future implications of nanotechnology. Moreover, most of them know little about football, soccer, baseball or basketball. However, I feel there is a possibility to gain a foothold, a kind of beachhead in their little world.
For instance, when I was in Haiti, I was talking to a nice girl. She was nice, correct, but a bit distant. It was a very big help that I could talk to her in Haitian Creole but that was just not enough. You can just go so far with, where are you from? Tell me about your family. Do you like it here?, etc.
Then, the topic of the Brazilian football team came up. I know only 10 things about soccer in general (out of 100,000 things to know) but I knew enough about Brazil and her football team to delight her. She really lit up and suddenly became genuinely enthused with me. Just saying some of the names of the players threw her into a tizzy. Hmmm.
Thus, what do the KTV girls like to talk about? I suppose Chinese pop music and soap operas but where could I find out about that, at least a digest of what there is to know in order to fake knowing a bit about their little world? By the time I go back, I am going to be well-versed in things about Hubei, Hunan, and Anhui provinces (e.g. geography, food, etc.) Those seemed to be the main places where the girls came from. However, I am sure that I should know more things that rock a KTV's girl's little mind.
Yep, it is great to talk the lingo but if there is nothing to talk about, it is not enough. The more fun, the better the service. And playing dice can get you only so far. What do you guys talk about? What topics seem to engage them more? I am sure this will be of interest to everyone on the thread and would be very useful to those who come to CP.True. With WGs you can't discuss Einstein "theory of relativity" or Spencer/Darwin theory of "survival of the fittest" but you sure can discuss "One night in Beijing". Not only you can discuss this with them but they will also sing it for you and with you. What I find really clicks in my case is the common interest in music, movies, actors, and more often are the kiddies games that Chinese kids play growing up. Sure they may differ from region to region but you can always find some game that both of you may know and play aside from the dice games or other drinking games. A couple of time when girls made fun of my ancient Chinese dialects I explained them the reason behind that and they actually started some decent philosophical discussions, but with only a couple of girls but most girls don't care and want to complete the business transaction and then get the heck out and find the next customer. Again, I think one other good reason to go to KTVs with similar minded individuals would be to discuss things that may be beyond the comprehension of the average WG. Since I don't do too much KTV scenes so I have a limited experience with that but a few times when I did venture out to a few of the KTV events arranged by BSD I did find a few very intellectual individuals with very decent jobs and had great conversation with them and that makes me to actually look forward to my next KTV event but unfortunately most of the KTV events are beyond my budget so I simply have to settle for the music.
bu xiang zai wen ni
ni dao di zai he fang
bu xiang zai si liang
ni neng fou gui lai me
xiang zhe ni de xin
xiang zhe ni de lian
xiang peng zai xiong kou
neng bu fang jiu bu fang
ONE NIGHT IN BEIJING
wo liu xia xu duo qing
bu guan ni ai yu bu ai
dou shi li shi di chen ai
ONE NIGHT IN BEIJING
wo liu xia xu duo qing
bu gan zai wu ye wen lu
pa zou dao liao bai hua shen chu
Poorbutthappy
09-30-10, 19:57
Kenny Rogers said it best! Gotta know when to fold 'em!
Wish I was going to be there this weekend, hope to make it before you leave!LOL. I think it is more relevant to what Lady GaGa says:
I wanna hold em' like they do in Texas Plays
Fold em' let em' hit me raise it baby stay with me
(I love it)
Love game intuition play the cards with Spades to start
And after he's been hooked I'll play the one that's on his heart
Can't read my,
Can't read my
No he can't read-a my poker face
(she’s got me like nobody)
Can't read my
Can't read my
No he can't read-a my poker face
(she’s got me like nobody)
Fast Eddie 48
09-30-10, 22:43
Yes, you are so very right and money is the be-all and end-all of the affair(s). The first KTV girl I really fell for became jaded after a couple of days. Her cute little, empty head had nothing else to say and nothing to scheme about. This is the end our conversation:
Me (in all seriousness)
最后， 你要怎么？
Zuihou, ni yao shenme?
In the end, what do you want?
The girl (laughing)
我要钱，我要钱， 钱， 钱， 钱!!!
Wo yao qian, wo yao qian, qian, qian!!!
I want money, I want money, money, money!!!
Not long after that, she had some money and was out. Her very words still ring in my ears! (ha!) Incidently, on my last night at Fuhao, I saw her at the flower show. She seemed interested in me, nay, rather keen, ... but I wasn't so much in her.
Thanks for the tips. You are the one I remember who advised me to kick them out when they get nasty or rude. It is hard for me but some day, I will learn from the master (you and others)Cunning,
Yes most Chinese girl just want money and girl in Manila and AC want a husband, woman in Thailand want a husband with alot of money.
Fast Eddie 48
Meiguoguizi
10-01-10, 00:42
I have been wondering about how to have an engaging conversation with a KTV girl (or even a BBS girl).
Women everywhere have one favorite topic. Their sad boring inconsequential lives.
Ask about their family. Ask about their friends. Ask about the feelings. Ask about their past. Ask about their future. Ask about their boyfriends.
Ask about their health.
Then struggle to act interested for the next few hours until you use her mouth for it's one valid valuable purpose.
Jettsetter
10-01-10, 02:37
I actually don't think you have to really get into a deep conversation with these girls to get a deeper connection... Honestly, in my experience, I don't get into any "conversation" or anything "meaningful" at least...
I find out where they're from and then just play with them.. I give the appearance, I'm fun... like to have fun, then play them a bit...
I seriously can't remember any facts about these girls, although I do engage in small talk like where they're from, how many brothers/sisters... what they did before they came to CP...
Then the rest of the night is spent playing games, flirting, touching, kissing, etc...
I think that the traditional "get to know the girl well before I touch her boob" doesn't apply to working girls... In fact, I tend to touch her boobs first, then get to know her second... okay scratch that.. I don't get to know her at all... I just touch her boobs...
But seriously - I think your traditional thinking in terms of how to warm up a gal is not really necesary... I'm also not saying you should just stare at her.. but I think a good example is to watch Freepeaks at wok...
Obviously his language skills are much better now, but even when they were still lacking a bit, he did pretty well... I think it was more about how he played with the girls, flirted, and connected through playfulness, not through "conversation."
My suggestion for non-chinese speaking (or even those with) is to have them try to teach you a bit of chinese and you learn a bit of english.. but do it in a fun way where you're learning the bad words, or body parts... then continue to flirt..
So in all, I think it's all about the firting... and playing... that creates the connection in my opinion... (not the topics of conversation)... becuase in the end, the girls are lying and they think you are lying anyways... so why bother weeding through that...
play the game.
-J
Jettsetter
10-01-10, 02:45
What are his questions? I have never found this out..
I think you'll have to ask Dr. J his questions.. I don't want to plagerize... However, in my opinion, the one key question for my taste is "do you kiss" (with tongue)... not that I need them to do it right away... but I want to see their reaction to that question.
I know it's up front and not for the timid to ask a girl straight up if they kiss... but in my opinion, girls who are willing to kiss up front or at least feign interest without hesitation are girls who give better service.
Now remember, this is the general rule.. NOT 100% guaranteed... obviously... but it's one of my questions that I ask a gal...
I open with where they're from (I try to avoid Dongbei girls - because they tend to be mean! - my girls tend to always be from Sichuan or Hunan - maybe it's just becuase there's more Sichuan and Hunan girls in town?)...
I then ask how long they've been here? (in CP) - not how long they've been working at that place (because it's easy to leave and come back and been here for 2 weeks to 2 months - the standard response)... I realy don't care about this response but it just gets the questions flowing.
Age... just becuase I don't want to get arrested, although they lie about this anyways... but just interested to know what they claim to be.
then I ask about if they're available to go out (on their period?) - no other appointments at 4 a.m., etc.... Can they spend the night (not that I really want them to , but I just want to see their reaction).
There are additional Dr. J questions which you can ask him.
Now if you're bold.... you can ask if they blow.... I don't always ask... but I have.. and I do if I'm asking for someone else... (i.e. it's easier to ask a girl who you're not going to be with if they blow)... yes I do believe it should be a given, but you just never know with some...
Good luck...
-J
OldAsiaHand
10-01-10, 03:59
Now if you're bold.... you can ask if they blow.... I don't always ask... but I have.. and I do if I'm asking for someone else... (i.e. it's easier to ask a girl who you're not going to be with if they blow)... yes I do believe it should be a given, but you just never know with some...
J,
And, if they do BBBJCIM. You must be careful with semantics here since there is a term for "blow/explosion" which does not necessarily mean inside their mouth. I may even ask about BBBJCOF but most cringe at the thought.
I agree that a few basic questions about where they are from, how old, how long in CP, what they did before, are enough to warm them up, if they can be warmed up at all. I suppose every punter asks them these questions.
In my case, especially in CP BBS, most girls know that I very rarely repeat so this may affect their incentive to serve. I depend on the mamas, who I do patronize often, to make sure their girls perform. The hope of a small tip for a job well done also helps sometimes.
All of the above said, IMHO, it is still hit or miss most of the time, no matter what you say or do.
Just my POV.
OAH
I agree with below but would augment a little - these are my "in hotel room" conversation tips:
1. Small gift from home country can be local food (if ok clear to bring into China) - example - a big boobed Shanghai WG loved my Canadian Maple Cookies - she emailed me to bring them next time I visited and we had great time. Any small - usually unique sweet treat satisfies their inner craving and can lead to fun kissing games and other games (fun places to hide a Jelly Belly on the body that's for sure...)
2. Pop culture Pop Culture... one year when my gal was single it was all about the TV show "Friends" - - the inane conversation of which Friend are you most like etc etc... these can be fun as you can always twist the plot and conversation to sexy situations... one year once my Shanghai friend got married - it was Desperate Housewives as that is what she related to.
3. Music -- I always bring one of those ipod headphone splitters so we can listen to same tune. Load up the ipod and make sure fully loaded with the latest. Introduce the Beatles ....
On a separate but related note about service - and questions - -a friend's warning always ends up being true - - avoid "Shopworn" - - even if a gal he had the previous night was stellar - the chances of two in a row is lower - she is simply tired - I hae tried this rule thinking this time it is different - - wanting a complete repeat of a previous evening's PSE - - only to be disappointed big time -- though - I guess I was tired as well - LOL.
Look forward to writing some field reports in about three weeks to test me learnings from the thread and current hypotheses.....
That's a great question/post... here's my contribution:
1. Korean vs. Cantonese Dramas
2. Learn the Card game "DouDiZhu"
3. Bring/Give them a small gift from your home country
LAMonkey
Hey Jett:
Curious:
I have had good experience with Dongbei girls in saunas - maybe I also like the look.
Do you avoid Dongbei girls only in KTV and BBS...? Or do you find Dongbei sauna girls mean....
Thanks,
D23
....
I open with where they're from (I try to avoid Dongbei girls - because they tend to be mean! - my girls tend to always be from Sichuan or Hunan - maybe it's just becuase there's more Sichuan and Hunan girls in town?)...
-J
RCA Knight
10-01-10, 13:49
In general Dongbei girls are a bit rougher in characters than southern girls, you can view them as more Teutonic in characters as compared to Latinas. But lots of Dongbei girls are really sexy model type materials and some are very aggressive in bed.
Jettsetter
10-01-10, 15:34
In general Dongbei girls are a bit rougher in characters than southern girls, you can view them as more Teutonic in characters as compared to Latinas. But lots of Dongbei girls are really sexy model type materials and some are very aggressive in bed.
Yes, I'm generalizing.. i'm sure there are sweet and nice dongbei girls... but for some reason, every time I have one, it's a bad experience.
They're traditionally known to be "xiong" - (mean?) - and more "zhi" - straightforward than most... Kind of a tell it how it is type of attitude... some guys like it... and I like their look... in my opinions, generally have bigger eyes, and big tits... but again, generalizing...
However... it's just my experience with the girls I like and find attractive and the ones who have been from Dongbei, I've always had bad luck.
Sichuan and Hunan are my top ranking... not sure if it's just sheer numbers in CP, or I like the look... It's probably becuase there are so many from that region- you can throw a stone in any direction and probably hit a girl from either of those two regions...
My past GF's have been from Sichuan and now from Hunan...
I'd venture to say that I have NOT had a girl from every region, although it'd be a fun game to play huh? sort of like **** Bingo??
who's in??! haha...
P.S. Hit Mayflower tonight... good times... my gal ( a non working gal) - got WAY too drunk thanks to some of my brothers who took on the challenge...
Looking forward to tomorrow.
-J
Jettsetter
10-01-10, 15:37
J,
And, if they do BBBJCIM. You must be careful with semantics here since there is a term for "blow/explosion" which does not necessarily mean inside their mouth. I may even ask about BBBJCOF but most cringe at the thought.
I agree that a few basic questions about where they are from, how old, how long in CP, what they did before, are enough to warm them up, if they can be warmed up at all. I suppose every punter asks them these questions.
In my case, especially in CP BBS, most girls know that I very rarely repeat so this may affect their incentive to serve. I depend on the mamas, who I do patronize often, to make sure their girls perform. The hope of a small tip for a job well done also helps sometimes.
All of the above said, IMHO, it is still hit or miss most of the time, no matter what you say or do.
Just my POV.
OAH
Here's the difference i learned... and it's been pretty universal for me...
Chui (pronounced "TSWAY" = Blowjob)
Chiu Bao (pronounced "TSWAY BAO" = Blowjob TCIM)
I've never asked for COF... and I guess the words would be "SE ZAI NI LIAN SHANG" (pronounced "SE ZAI NI LIEN SHANG") = COF.
good luck with that line of questioning! haha..
-J
i am not sure if it is just accent or there is fundamentally difference in comprehension. take my mom for example, she is 86 years old, came to the us over 60+ years ago, and still only speaks maybe 10 words of english. however, her chinese dialects seem to be stuck when she left china. now when she has younger visitor from her home city they had somewhat hard time understanding her as the words and dialect she uses have been modified, discontinued, or have been simply replaced by modern dialects. since i grew up listening to my mom, dad, and older siblings speak the same dialects that were spoken 60+ years ago when i am back in southern china and cp some girls make fun of it as they considered it ancient, something they may have never heard or heard their grandparents speaking and have since been forgotten the meanings of some of these words and dialects. electronic revolution, radio, tv, and now internet has speed up the linguistic modernization and my mom who was never really exposed to these tools never really learned the changing dialects that became mainstream, even in her own city and providence. just mpov.
jettsetter said something about dongbei girls being mean. i want to add that they are also rather proud of their accent. quite a few of the dongbei girls i befriend in shanghai spent an inordinate amount of time in between pops teaching me how to speak proper mandarin. i guess you are right that accent and regional id play a big part. me, i just want to get laid. if pretending to be interested get me better service, fine by me.
Robertsui321
10-01-10, 17:55
Generally there are very few real freebies. Mostly hits and misses.
One time, a DJ did not ask for money during the first 3 nights but took me shopping in CP town. on 4th day asked for big $$ and caused a small scene when I did not give the amount she wanted. Morale of the story is to stop after 1 night/day.
Another DJ did not ask for $ at all but accepted when I gave her the next morning, she did not even check how much I gave her. My experinec with mummy is quite good - she did left the hotel room next morning without asking for any money. Met her for lunch same day and refused to accept when I gave her.
I like KTV gals far better than BBS. More GFE. My experience in Houjie was not very happy one, and also the place was not as convienient as CP in terms of reaching the facilities.
BTW can anyone advise where I can buy a English Chinese electronic dictionary and translator in CP or Guangzhou or Shenzhen?? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
And, if they do BBBJCIM. You must be careful with semantics here since there is a term for "blow/explosion" which does not necessarily mean inside their mouth. I may even ask about BBBJCOF but most cringe at the thought.
I thought 'chui bao le' was pretty clear of the CIM. Anyway if you want a tip - if you don't like a girl, too clingy, already asked to be your wife, want her to choose not to repeat a COF is a sure way to making them think twice about coming back. And if they do then you have a true pervert, congrats..
who's in??! haha...
-J
Challenge accepted, I'm starting on the 8th though and you are currently handicapped LOL.
Try the larger department stores, the best ones are from Besta (taiwan company) and might be easier to find in HongKong in a big electronics store.
I have seen them in the department store right near RedLion in CP, but they are often for chinese-english and the reverse isn't that good.
BBK also makes a decent one but make sure you have sentence translation. Your other option is get an iphone and use any of the apps like KT-Dict or Chinatalk of Transmate for translation. they work pretty well (KT can be used without internet).
Robertsui321
10-02-10, 03:08
Try the larger department stores, the best ones are from Besta (taiwan company) and might be easier to find in HongKong in a big electronics store.
I have seen them in the department store right near RedLion in CP, but they are often for chinese-english and the reverse isn't that good.
BBK also makes a decent one but make sure you have sentence translation. Your other option is get an iphone and use any of the apps like KT-Dict or Chinatalk of Transmate for translation. They work pretty well (KT can be used without internet).Hi Freepeaks, thanks alot for your advice. I will try to get one when I go to CP later this month.
Cheers
Jett,
One more than one occasion we seem to both like the same type of girls. I'm more equal opportunity on what girls I accept. i've had great experience with Dongbei girls actually. They might be abit loud and rough, but in bed, they are pretty agressive and usually have great sessions with them. Most of them, not all, like to be pumped really hard, they like it rough, which could be a turn on when you are in the mood.
I think Sichuan and Hunan is just too prevalent in CP, that the percentage is really high we end up with one of the other. Guizhou girls are sort of a mix between sichuan and hunan. These two places produce girls with good skin supposedly due to the chili they eat.
Just my two cents:
Sichuan-- are usually fair skinned. usually large breasts, usually shorter.
Hunan-- varies a bit more. you got darker skinned and fair skin, but generally hunan girls are taller than their sichuan counterpart.
personally recently, I've had a large liking to Jiangxi girls and Hubei Girls.
As for Jiangxi girls-- the ones i've gotten have really nice body!
as for Hubei girls--i like their facial features. Generally as you go up more north, their faces are a closer resemblance to the girls you see in magazines in Asia.
Different strokes for different folks. So far, I've almost done a girl from every province except for a few handful of places like:
Tibetan
Qinghai
Different strokes for different folks.
AsnDragon
Yes, I'm generalizing.. i'm sure there are sweet and nice dongbei girls... but for some reason, every time I have one, it's a bad experience.
They're traditionally known to be "xiong" - (mean?) - and more "zhi" - straightforward than most... Kind of a tell it how it is type of attitude... some guys like it... and I like their look... in my opinions, generally have bigger eyes, and big tits... but again, generalizing...
However... it's just my experience with the girls I like and find attractive and the ones who have been from Dongbei, I've always had bad luck.
Sichuan and Hunan are my top ranking... not sure if it's just sheer numbers in CP, or I like the look... It's probably becuase there are so many from that region- you can throw a stone in any direction and probably hit a girl from either of those two regions...
My past GF's have been from Sichuan and now from Hunan...
I'd venture to say that I have NOT had a girl from every region, although it'd be a fun game to play huh? sort of like **** Bingo??
who's in??! haha...
P.S. Hit Mayflower tonight... good times... my gal ( a non working gal) - got WAY too drunk thanks to some of my brothers who took on the challenge...
Looking forward to tomorrow.
-J
Robert,
Great job...so far you have achieved all of what I've always wanted- I've always wanted to do a DJ and a Mommie...not an assistant mommie, but a real mommie.
call me strange, but it's a great turn on to do girls that aren't working girls for a living. I've had interest in doing managers, a legit footie girl, front receptionist at footies, front receptionist at hotels, the supervisors at Saunas that show you girls. I think after a while you just end up wanting to do something different, pushing the envelope to challenge yourself.
In the end it's all a game...just depends on how you play it right?
P.S.-- paying the girl solves a whole lot of headache. remember we pay the girls to leave not to stay.
AsnDragon
Generally there are very few real freebies. Mostly hits and misses.
One time, a DJ did not ask for money during the first 3 nights but took me shopping in CP town. on 4th day asked for big $$ and caused a small scene when I did not give the amount she wanted. Morale of the story is to stop after 1 night/day.
Another DJ did not ask for $ at all but accepted when I gave her the next morning, she did not even check how much I gave her. My experinec with mummy is quite good - she did left the hotel room next morning without asking for any money. Met her for lunch same day and refused to accept when I gave her.
I like KTV gals far better than BBS. More GFE. My experience in Houjie was not very happy one, and also the place was not as convienient as CP in terms of reaching the facilities.
BTW can anyone advise where I can buy a English Chinese electronic dictionary and translator in CP or Guangzhou or Shenzhen?? I would really appreciate it.
Thanks
Douglas,
My best experience in a Sauna is actually with Dongbei Girls. In fact the best girls I've had was a Dongbei Girl at Sauna, she was the teacher for all the other girls. She had the best skill I've every experienced in my life. She even showed me pressure points and areas in the body to give dual stimulation at the same time. For example, she knew which places to suck and lick on which toe to bring about maximum arousal for the guy while she touches your body. Amazing, but with this Dongbei girls I could never last long during each session, she could finish me off quick, while other sauna girls it takes a long while. Could never get a hold of her as she left the sauna I went to, and I have never found a sauna girl with as much skill as her. Also I like how she likes to talk dirty to me and also joke around telling me dirty jokes too.
AsnDragon
Hey Jett:
Curious:
I have had good experience with Dongbei girls in saunas - maybe I also like the look.
Do you avoid Dongbei girls only in KTV and BBS...? Or do you find Dongbei sauna girls mean....
Thanks,
D23
Has any bros out there encountered any girls that are truly horny and just love having sex? When I mean truly horny I mean they would just call you up and ask to come over to have sex with you for free just because they like having sex a lot?
I rarely encounter these girls. I wonder if it's because most girls are working girls and they are only in it for the money or they do it so much that they end up having no interest in having sex?
AsnDragon
I like this question my friend.
It's about evolutionary genetics. A male is not capable of having sex without sexual arousal, because without arousal he can not have an erection.
Females are able to have sex without arousal.
Natural selection favours males who frequently have strong arousal. Natural selection also favours females who have arousal, but much less so than with males.
That's why there are many truly horny guys, but truly horny girls are seldom encountered.
That is also why most prostitutes are females and most punters are males.
So to give my answer to your question, yes AsnDragon, I agree, I think that working girls who have sex often, learn to have little interest in sex, and only want the money. I think it's because females are genetically much less interested in sex than males are. They like babies and security, but sexual satisfaction is less important to them.
Less experienced girls are more interested in this new sexual activity.
Working girls are jaded by their job. As we all know, they do not do it for arousal and orgasm, which for most them is difficult to acheive anyway, they are mostly only interested in the money.
Women frequently fake arousal and orgasm, because they instictively know that it arouses and pleases the male, and thereby reinforces their chances of babies and/or money. It's all about genetics and learned conditioning.
Has any bros out there encountered any girls that are truly horny and just love having sex? When I mean truly horny I mean they would just call you up and ask to come over to have sex with you for free just because they like having sex a lot?
I rarely encounter these girls. I wonder if it's because most girls are working girls and they are only in it for the money or they do it so much that they end up having no interest in having sex?
AsnDragon
While I can see Santa's point, while not all women show it, many do enjoy sex. Even the working pros (although these are actually rare, but true gems when you find them).
I was fortunate to meet a woman a few months ago when I was in a bar looking for a WG. She was friendly with the local WG stock (none that I found too interesting) and had spent considerable time talking with one block. She came to the bar a little later and we started to chat. And I asked her if she wanted to go. She proceeded to try and convince me to take one of her friends, but I told her she was the only one there I found interesting. She finally agreed to go with me. After a long hot bath and whirlpool, we discovered neither of us had any condoms, so we proceed to go into a marathon of BBBJ (best I have ever had) and DATY (sweet tasting) for the next four hours. She must have cum at least five or six times and as the sun was rising she decided she needed to leave. I asked her how much and she said cab fare and we exchanged numbers and email addresses. A couple of days later she called and told me that she was horny and really wanted me to eat her some more. So asked me to come to her place. That started several months of once or twice a week being asked to come over. All at her request, as I have a live-in girl that was away the time we initially met (so I could bring her home). She, unfortunately, went to Canada to work for a year or so, but we stay in touch. She was not and is not a WG. Just someone that really enjoys good sex.
Has any bros out there encountered any girls that are truly horny and just love having sex? When I mean truly horny I mean they would just call you up and ask to come over to have sex with you for free just because they like having sex a lot?
I rarely encounter these girls. I wonder if it's because most girls are working girls and they are only in it for the money or they do it so much that they end up having no interest in having sex?
AsnDragon
I remember reading in the Kinsey Reports how statiscally a very large percentage of women (maybe 50%) reported they have never had or very rarely had sexual orgasms. Some say they sometimes have orgasms and a minority say they very often or always have them.
In contrast, I think something like 98% of males reported having had orgasms, and 95% said frequently.
My point was that natural selection would obviously favour the horny males, because males cannot have intercourse without arousal. That is not so true for females, because they can have sex without arousal.
If women were easily aroused sexually and enjoyed sex as much as men, then the relationship between men and women would be very different. For example, there would be an ISG forum for women seeking sex with men, and they would be very willing to pay cash to us for the service.
I think "most" girls prefer to just hug and hold hands.
There is a joke here. What is the jewish guy's definition of foreplay? Two hours of begging! What is the irish guy's definition of foreplay? Brace yourself Bridget!
Meiguoguizi
10-03-10, 01:26
Men have historically and continue to discourage women's sexual enjoyment.
Veils and clitoridectomy and bound feet and the like are techniques to ensure paternity prior to DNA testing of your baby that looks remarkably like the milkman.
A sexually active women is a threat to the 'selfish gene'.
Evolutionary biology has no place for raising your wife's lover's child.
Additionally, a sexually liberated and active women can 'out-f***' any one man. Women are water. Men are fire. Water rules.
The Japanese porno directors have the equation correct: one hot woman and multiple men waiting in line.
Okay firemen... flame on.
OldAsiaHand
10-03-10, 04:04
I thought 'chui bao le' was pretty clear of the CIM. Anyway if you want a tip - if you don't like a girl, too clingy, already asked to be your wife, want her to choose not to repeat a COF is a sure way to making them think twice about coming back. And if they do then you have a true pervert, congrats..
I reckon that "Chui Bao" only means "blow until you pop", not necessarily CIM. Another expression is "Koh Bao" may be closer to CIM, but I want to be sure I ask for "Bao Li Mian".
I only had one girl in CP that let me COF. She was new to the game and did not know any better. After that one time, I could never find her in CP again. Do you think I scared her away? The next time I will try Jet's literal explanation of my desire.
Sorry for my poor Pinyin.
Just my POV.
OAH
RCA Knight
10-03-10, 04:10
I can confirm that "chui bao" mostly do not include shooting in mouth. Since this is my favorite hobby, I always further ask if I can cum in the mouth. In these "chui bao" services, almost all girls will withdraw when you show sign of coming.
OldAsiaHand
10-03-10, 04:17
Robert,
Great job...so far you have achieved all of what I've always wanted- I've always wanted to do a DJ and a Mommie...not an assistant mommie, but a real mommie.
call me strange, but it's a great turn on to do girls that aren't working girls for a living. I've had interest in doing managers, a legit footie girl, front receptionist at footies, front receptionist at hotels, the supervisors at Saunas that show you girls. I think after a while you just end up wanting to do something different, pushing the envelope to challenge yourself.
In the end it's all a game...just depends on how you play it right?
P.S.-- paying the girl solves a whole lot of headache. remember we pay the girls to leave not to stay.
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
I have never done a KTV mommy or a DJ since I rarely go. On the other hand, I've had my share of BBS mommies, legit footie/massage girls and one hotel receptionist.
For example, I used to do one of the street mommies from the park between the Hui Mei and Virgin Hotel. Total investment: a few meals and one outfit for 270 RMB. A footie girl cost me a pair of shoes for 298RMB. Eventually, the subject of shopping will come up unless you bring some small gifts every once in a awhile.
Just my POV.
OAH
Men have historically and continue to discourage women's sexual enjoyment.
Veils and clitoridectomy and bound feet and the like are techniques to ensure paternity prior to DNA testing of your baby that looks remarkably like the milkman.
A sexually active women is a threat to the 'selfish gene'.
Evolutionary biology has no place for raising your wife's lover's child.
Additionally, a sexually liberated and active women can 'out-f***' any one man. Women are water. Men are fire. Water rules.
The Japanese porno directors have the equation correct: one hot woman and multiple men waiting in line.
Okay firemen... flame on.
It's true that women will have multiple partners, and that is why jealous men have forced restrictions on them. Also true that women can do many men repeatedly. But that is because they do not need to be aroused or have an orgasm in order to fuck. A man is limited to how many fucks he can have because he cannot do it without arousal, and once he has shots a few loads his arousal is deminished.
I would venture to guess, if you see a video of a woman repeatedly having sex with many men, she is probably faking the arousal and orgasms, and is only doing it for the money.
Has any bros out there encountered any girls that are truly horny and just love having sex? When I mean truly horny I mean they would just call you up and ask to come over to have sex with you for free just because they like having sex a lot?
I rarely encounter these girls. I wonder if it's because most girls are working girls and they are only in it for the money or they do it so much that they end up having no interest in having sex?
AsnDragon
I like this question, and I think it has 3 parts.
1. Do you guys often or sometimes or never encounter very horny girls who do it only for the sexual pleasure?
2. AsnDragon rarely encounters them, is it because they are rare?
3. Do working girls lose interest in sexual pleasure because they do it often and only for money?
I remember asking my first hooker if she enjoys sex, since with me she was rather lame. She said, "only with my boyfriend".
Robertsui321
10-03-10, 12:59
I reckon that "Chui Bao" only means "blow until you pop", not necessarily CIM. Another expression is "Koh Bao" may be closer to CIM, but I want to be sure I ask for "Bao Li Mian".
I only had one girl in CP that let me COF. She was new to the game and did not know any better. After that one time, I could never find her in CP again. Do you think I scared her away? The next time I will try Jet's literal explanation of my desire.
Sorry for my poor Pinyin.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH, thanks , your information will be very useful. I have never had a CIM or COF with a WG before. I plan to do so when I go to CP this month. Which are the likely places where the gal allows CIM? ( I am not so keen on COF). Sauna, I suppose. As for KTV gals, some of thems do not even do BJ, esp the younger ones or ones new to the trade. What is your take?
Robertsui321
10-03-10, 13:06
AsnDragon,
I have never done a KTV mommy or a DJ since I rarely go. On the other hand, I've had my share of BBS mommies, legit footie/massage girls and one hotel receptionist.
For example, I used to do one of the street mommies from the park between the Hui Mei and Virgin Hotel. Total investment: a few meals and one outfit for 270 RMB. A footie girl cost me a pair of shoes for 298RMB. Eventually, the subject of shopping will come up unless you bring some small gifts every once in a awhile.
Just my POV.
OAHI wld hope to try hotel receptionist !
Robertsui321
10-03-10, 13:09
I reckon that "Chui Bao" only means "blow until you pop", not necessarily CIM. Another expression is "Koh Bao" may be closer to CIM, but I want to be sure I ask for "Bao Li Mian".
I only had one girl in CP that let me COF. She was new to the game and did not know any better. After that one time, I could never find her in CP again. Do you think I scared her away? The next time I will try Jet's literal explanation of my desire.
Sorry for my poor Pinyin.
Just my POV.
OAHMaybe should go one step further and ask her if "Bao De Shihou Bu Ting" is OK. "when it explodes, do not stop."
Robertsui321
10-03-10, 13:19
I like this question, and I think it has 3 parts.
1. Do you guys often or sometimes or never encounter very horny girls who do it only for the sexual pleasure?
2. AsnDragon rarely encounters them, is it because they are rare?
3. Do working girls lose interest in sexual pleasure because they do it often and only for money?
I remember asking my first hooker if she enjoys sex, since with me she was rather lame. She said, "only with my boyfriend".I m answering your Q3 only. My own & my frens' experience, BBS gals almost NEVER get wet and fake alot, plenty of noises. GZZ. Gone Zunk Zunk (very dry). Until your dick is painful after an hour of humping. No thrill. But with KTV girls, the young ones about 17 to 19 or to be more precise, those who are new to the game, they water a lot alot. So assume they enjoy sex too. I met someone who has been a KTV gal for a few years but she is like a well, even if did her 3 times a day, she really enjoys it. I joked she should be paying me instead. ALso another try are gals from disco (2-6-9), I tried once from Xin Di Disco, was very shy, wanted all lights off, hide under blanket but god she was very wet, but like dead fish, no service at all, just lied down and let you service her.
Robertsui321
10-03-10, 13:41
Robert,
Great job...so far you have achieved all of what I've always wanted- I've always wanted to do a DJ and a Mommie...not an assistant mommie, but a real mommie.
call me strange, but it's a great turn on to do girls that aren't working girls for a living. I've had interest in doing managers, a legit footie girl, front receptionist at footies, front receptionist at hotels, the supervisors at Saunas that show you girls. I think after a while you just end up wanting to do something different, pushing the envelope to challenge yourself.
In the end it's all a game...just depends on how you play it right?
P.S.-- paying the girl solves a whole lot of headache. remember we pay the girls to leave not to stay.
AsnDragonAsndragon,
Actually I found out accidentally, to do a mummy is not difficult, 1st she must like you, its a given. THen you should give her some business, take 2 gals from her for sitting (RMB400) only, then tell her she is the most attractive lady there so you are not interested in the other gals to take back to hotel and want only her. During the night of course you must engage her, dance with her in the room, touching her seductively but not too blatantly (not her boobs, just around the erozones). If fail 1st night, try again 2nd night.
IN my last CP trip at Mayflower, I outright told a mummy she is better looking than her girls and want her instead, she was game but told me not to let anyone knows as the gals will be upset due to competition. However in the end, I picked a KTV gal instead.
AS for DJ, I think if they do not find you unattractive or have some chemistry with you, they will accept your offer to take her back. Me and my frens sometimes do DJs instead of the gals. The perceived good point is they seldom follow customers back at the end of the nite as most customers do not seek them out anyway. THey also do not propose themselves to you, they can also reject your offers if they do not like you without fear of reprimand from mummy. So all in, they are less "used", therefore likely to juice up very easily when you do them. But you would need to be able to speak some Mandarin at least, to engage them
Just my POV.
OAH,
Once again, I am most impressed that you get these Non-working girls all the time. Now I'm wondering...if you give them a gift instead of money, does that count as a freebie? I once had a friend who supposedly got a "freebie" from a non-working girl, but after having sex, he bought her a cell phone, which is worth 5-6 times more than just paying a working BBS girl her ST fee. But then again it's the novelty of things. I think that the feeling of getting a "freebie" especially from a Non-working girl, is more of a conquest, another level of skill to achieve.
How do you get the footie girls? I know that some guys out there try to go after them as if they want to be their boyfriends in real life-romancing them etc...which is a long process. I'm wondering, is there some special tactic to get them to bed? of you just have a lot of charm?
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
I have never done a KTV mommy or a DJ since I rarely go. On the other hand, I've had my share of BBS mommies, legit footie/massage girls and one hotel receptionist.
For example, I used to do one of the street mommies from the park between the Hui Mei and Virgin Hotel. Total investment: a few meals and one outfit for 270 RMB. A footie girl cost me a pair of shoes for 298RMB. Eventually, the subject of shopping will come up unless you bring some small gifts every once in a awhile.
Just my POV.
OAH
Santa,
As we have discussed before, most of these girls that are working in BBS or KTVs etc, a lot of them are tricked into the trade by their boyfriends which they "love" so much that they are willing to sacrifice their bodies for other men to enjoy, so that they can voluntarily give all of their earnings to their loser boyfriends to go to internet cafes, smoke, do drugs and even sleep with other girls. If a girl loves the guy that much to become a WG for him, then there's this emotional factor in having sex where they "enjoy" it a whole lot more.
Let's face it, although this happens with girls, it happens to guys also...sometimes we just want to have sex with someone you like. While most guys can put their emotions under the carpet when doing a WG out of pure sexual arousal, it actually feels better when there's an emotional connection, it brings the sex to a whole different level.
Now it's true...if you a girl who services 3-4 guys a day, for 20 days, you are doing 60-120 guys a month...do that for 3 months and you've done 180-360 guys...you end up losing interest in sex real quick. Even a guy could end up losing their interest real quick.
That's why you usually get the most "genuine" sex, not always the greatest, but a higher chance that they aren't faking their orgasms in the following mongering categories: (from most genuine to lease genuine)
1. KTV girls (has the least amount of sex; therefore, no need for lubricants
2. BBS girls (if not too pretty, has sex only 2 times a day at most)
3. Sauna girls (even if not too pretty, if working in a busy sauna does 5-6 guys a day)
Perhaps that's part of the allure of KTVs. That's why guys also pay tons of money for a KTV girl, because they give guys an illusion that they aren't as used and jaded as the other two categories. Or perhaps it could just be that KTV girls are in a better atmosphere and environment so it just makes guys feel that the girls are classier.
Regardless, every working-girl, no matter what category they are in is still ultimately a working girl in the end. It's the money that drives them in the beginning and it's the money that defines them in the end.
AsnDragon
I like this question, and I think it has 3 parts.
1. Do you guys often or sometimes or never encounter very horny girls who do it only for the sexual pleasure?
2. AsnDragon rarely encounters them, is it because they are rare?
3. Do working girls lose interest in sexual pleasure because they do it often and only for money?
I remember asking my first hooker if she enjoys sex, since with me she was rather lame. She said, "only with my boyfriend".
I like this question, and I think it has 3 parts.
1. Do you guys often or sometimes or never encounter very horny girls who do it only for the sexual pleasure?In my younger days, I did encounter one Hong Kong gal that was a true nyphomaniac. She ended up marrying a very good friend of mine. A few years later when both of them split up, my friend told me that he just had to divorce her due to her sexual appetite.
A few years back, I met a KTV gal, she was a true nympho. All she wanted to do was to do it everywhere. She became a bit too sticky. And I had to dump her. She virtually wore me out.
Meiguoguizi
10-04-10, 04:12
Santa,
As we have discussed before, most of these girls that are working in BBS or KTVs etc, a lot of them are tricked into the trade by their boyfriends which they "love" so much that they are willing to sacrifice their bodies for other men to enjoy, so that they can voluntarily give all of their earnings to their loser boyfriends.....
Regardless, every working-girl, no matter what category they are in is still ultimately a working girl in the end. It's the money that drives them in the beginning and it's the money that defines them in the end.
AsnDragon
But those that turn over that money to the boyfriends you mention.... or those that turn over that money to their family (however few that may be)... aren't they working for love? Sleeping with a variety of 'selang de liumang' to support the people in their life that they love?
Money does not define them.
And there is a measure of hypocrisy in criticizing your partners in any mutual business activity, even if it is a financial transaction in the bedroom.
OldAsiaHand
10-04-10, 04:55
OAH,
Once again, I am most impressed that you get these Non-working girls all the time. Now I'm wondering...if you give them a gift instead of money, does that count as a freebie? I once had a friend who supposedly got a "freebie" from a non-working girl, but after having sex, he bought her a cell phone, which is worth 5-6 times more than just paying a working BBS girl her ST fee. But then again it's the novelty of things. I think that the feeling of getting a "freebie" especially from a Non-working girl, is more of a conquest, another level of skill to achieve.
How do you get the footie girls? I know that some guys out there try to go after them as if they want to be their boyfriends in real life-romancing them etc...which is a long process. I'm wondering, is there some special tactic to get them to bed? of you just have a lot of charm?
AsnDragon
AsnDragon,
Thanks for the compliment but I do not get that many non-WG freebies, certainly not all the time or whenever I want to. It does take some work.
How to define a freebie?
My definitiion is a girl that you do not pay every time for sex. Of course, you must buy them meals and give a gift sometimes. Wouldn't you do this with any g/f you have? In my examples, I did these girls for a few months (I got bored after that) and only made the one major purchase of 200+ RMB in each case. The rest was just meals and a few trinkets for less than 20 RMB.
Footie/massage girls were a long process. The ones I've done, I saw them at their massage place for quite some time. I finally asked them out for a bite to eat after work or took them away on their day off. Taking freebies to another town has always worked for me since you need to stay at a hotel. It is difficult for me to ask a freebie straight away if they want to go to a ST hotel. Again, this addresses your question about "free" since short vacation costs add up with the gas, tolls, hotel, meals, etc.
Just my POV.
OAH
But those that turn over that money to the boyfriends you mention.... or those that turn over that money to their family (however few that may be)... aren't they working for love? Sleeping with a variety of 'selang de liumang' to support the people in their life that they love?
Money does not define them.
And there is a measure of hypocrisy in criticizing your partners in any mutual business activity, even if it is a financial transaction in the bedroom.
That's true, we should not "define them" as "only interested in money", and therefore think they are lacking in loving feelings for others.
But I think AsnDragon is correct. With "customers", working girls are predominantly only interested in the cash. If she is nice to you, gives a girlfriendly and satisfying service, then you are lucky. We should not delude ourselves into thinking that she really likes us and enjoyed having us fuck her. Just because she said nice things and faked a good orgasm, we shouldn't delude ourselves. She is just doing her job and doing it well.
Of course there are always a few very rare exceptions. For example, if she is very new at the job she might think that her nice customer is becoming her boyfriend.
Santa,
As we have discussed before, most of these girls that are working in BBS or KTVs etc, a lot of them are tricked into the trade by their boyfriends which they "love" so much that they are willing to sacrifice their bodies for other men to enjoy, so that they can voluntarily give all of their earnings to their loser boyfriends to go to internet cafes, smoke, do drugs and even sleep with other girls. If a girl loves the guy that much to become a WG for him, then there's this emotional factor in having sex where they "enjoy" it a whole lot more.
Let's face it, although this happens with girls, it happens to guys also...sometimes we just want to have sex with someone you like. While most guys can put their emotions under the carpet when doing a WG out of pure sexual arousal, it actually feels better when there's an emotional connection, it brings the sex to a whole different level.
Now it's true...if you a girl who services 3-4 guys a day, for 20 days, you are doing 60-120 guys a month...do that for 3 months and you've done 180-360 guys...you end up losing interest in sex real quick. Even a guy could end up losing their interest real quick.
That's why you usually get the most "genuine" sex, not always the greatest, but a higher chance that they aren't faking their orgasms in the following mongering categories: (from most genuine to lease genuine)
1. KTV girls (has the least amount of sex; therefore, no need for lubricants
2. BBS girls (if not too pretty, has sex only 2 times a day at most)
3. Sauna girls (even if not too pretty, if working in a busy sauna does 5-6 guys a day)
Perhaps that's part of the allure of KTVs. That's why guys also pay tons of money for a KTV girl, because they give guys an illusion that they aren't as used and jaded as the other two categories. Or perhaps it could just be that KTV girls are in a better atmosphere and environment so it just makes guys feel that the girls are classier.
Regardless, every working-girl, no matter what category they are in is still ultimately a working girl in the end. It's the money that drives them in the beginning and it's the money that defines them in the end.
AsnDragonI find most send their money back home to their parents more than boyfriends.
Meiguoguizi
10-04-10, 05:42
That's true, we should not "define them" as "only interested in money", and therefore think they are lacking in loving feelings for others.
But I think AsnDragon is correct. With "customers", working girls are predominantly only interested in the cash. If she is nice to you, gives a girlfriendly and satisfying service, then you are lucky. We should not delude ourselves into thinking that she really likes us and enjoyed having us fuck her. Just because she said nice things and faked a good orgasm, we shouldn't delude ourselves. She is just doing her job and doing it well.
Of course there are always a few very rare exceptions. For example, if she is very new at the job she might think that her nice customer is becoming her boyfriend.
Would my dentist fix my teeth for free? Would my gardener cut my grass without charge?
It is precisely the 'customers' that delude themselves about being a 'boyfriend' that criticize working girls 'emotional commitment". That is what bothers me. This criticism is a projection of their own neediness.
Criticize performance. My dentist did a shitty job.
But don't project your need for love on the poor young girl who is doing an unappealing difficult job by questioning her motivation.
My dentist feeds his family. Xiaomei feeds hers.
If you need a working girl to love you, that is your problem. Not hers.
Meiguoguizi,
Perhaps there is a small minority of girls that really do end up liking you for who you are-and in that instance perhaps you are correct in your comment. But then again that minority is quite small.
Santa is correct-most of these working girls are just doing their job. I'm not out there to criticize them, but I only speak the truth. A working girl gives you a service and you in return give her money. It is the money that drives her in the beginning.
Take this down the road further. The girl has some dead-beat boyfriend who ends up dumping her for another girl or she finally wakes up and realizes that he's good for nothing and she got duped into becoming a working girl. What does she do next? She becomes cold and puts up a barrier to protect her emotions from being used and hurt by other men. So she makes working as a working girl her profession- she thinks, well...since I got into the business might as well get completely wet and go all the way-thus her ultimate goal is to earn as much money as possible-therefore money is what ends up defining them in the end.
You ask most girls, not all, but most girls will tell you that they are in this trade for money. Not to score a boyfriend or to find romance. Most of these girls have been used or hurt by men, and they end up in a marathon in wanting to earn money, but not having a real sense of what's next after earning money.
Now to be impartial and fair, there are a group of girls who are doing this job to support their family back home or to help their family out of poverty in which I do admire and commend. But these types of girls appeared more frequently back 8 years ago where girls where born in in the 80's- where the first worked in the back-breaking factories trying to earn a wage and finally ended up in this trade out of desperation. Now...girls born in the 90's or later they are lazy, they don't even bother to find a real job, they'd rather take the easy path in becoming a WG. You may find my comments quite harsh, but these comments are taken from the WG I have encountered-which is a fair sample of girls.
But ultimately I won't take my comments back. Money is still what defines Most girls...not all....but most. Whether they are a poor college student who would rather be sponsored by a rich man rather than work, or a regular girl who works a regular job who seeks a man who has a better financial background than them so they can move forth in society, or a KTV girls or Sauna girl who's working to earn money to help out her younger siblings or parents lift themselves out of poverty...money is still what defines them. In China when you have money and lots of it, women will flock to you-many women...but again not all of them.
ASnDragon
But those that turn over that money to the boyfriends you mention.... or those that turn over that money to their family (however few that may be)... aren't they working for love? Sleeping with a variety of 'selang de liumang' to support the people in their life that they love?
Money does not define them.
And there is a measure of hypocrisy in criticizing your partners in any mutual business activity, even if it is a financial transaction in the bedroom.
Meiguoguizi,
I respect you because you are experienced a quite a great veteran of this trade and a great asset to ISG. But to clarify, I'm not out there trying to be a "boyfriend" to these girls nor am I criticizing a girl's emotional commitment. I have no issues with neediness. Sure once in a while we as customers wish that girls will give better service or moan more genuinely, but I'm not out there trying to bash on these girls because they won't fall in love with me or carry on a relationship.
I'm just stating the fact: WG work for money. Money drives them, and as time goes on, money ends up defining them. Their goal, their mentality and their measure of whether or not they have "made it" still revolves around the amount of money or the amount of money the guy/boyfriend/sponsor who's with her has.
Now I know that these girls are doing a hard job and I'm not out there trying to demean them. I think you are taking my comments out of context.
Asndragon
Would my dentist fix my teeth for free? Would my gardener cut my grass without charge?
It is precisely the 'customers' that delude themselves about being a 'boyfriend' that criticize working girls 'emotional commitment". That is what bothers me. This criticism is a projection of their own neediness.
Criticize performance. My dentist did a shitty job.
But don't project your need for love on the poor young girl who is doing an unappealing difficult job by questioning her motivation.
My dentist feeds his family. Xiaomei feeds hers.
If you need a working girl to love you, that is your problem. Not hers.
Meiguoguizi
10-04-10, 08:29
Meiguoguizi,
I respect you because you are experienced a quite a great veteran of this trade and a great asset to ISG. But to clarify, I'm not out there trying to be a "boyfriend" to these girls nor am I criticizing a girl's emotional commitment. I have no issues with neediness. Sure once in a while we as customers wish that girls will give better service or moan more genuinely, but I'm not out there trying to bash on these girls because they won't fall in love with me or carry on a relationship.
I'm just stating the fact: WG work for money. Money drives them, and as time goes on, money ends up defining them. Their goal, their mentality and their measure of whether or not they have "made it" still revolves around the amount of money or the amount of money the guy/boyfriend/sponsor who's with her has.
Now I know that these girls are doing a hard job and I'm not out there trying to demean them. I think you are taking my comments out of context.
Asndragon
Asndragon,
Please, I am not speaking about you. Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of meeting with you. My 'you' in these comments is pluralistic.
But I do disagree with your statement that money ends up defining working girls.
I work for money. Everyone I know, except for a very few people who love their careers - none of whom I've personally met, works for money.
We work to support ourselves and our loved ones.
I know for a fact that Money does not define me. I would not venture to suggest that it defines anyone else.
I have, however, met many dudes who, for their own complex reasons, are looking for love in all the wrong places: KTVs, Saunas, and BBSs.
I have empathy for these dudes. I have empathy for working girls. I especially have empathy for any relationship that includes one of each.
OldAsiaHand
10-04-10, 09:47
Gentlemen,
Whether you call it "define" or otherwise, nearly all WGs are only in it for the money whether it be for the b/f, the family or an LV bag. Try not giving it to them and see what happens.
I've been mongering for over 30 years. I can count on one hand, maybe two hands, the times when I felt a WG liked me or the sex with me. Some are just better actresses than others. Even I get fooled sometimes but eventually come back to reality.
It is a commercial transaction, best just have fun and leave it at that.
Just my POV.
OAH
Gentlemen,
Whether you call it "define" or otherwise, nearly all WGs are only in it for the money whether it be for the b/f, the family or an LV bag. Try not giving it to them and see what happens.
I've been mongering for over 30 years. I can count on one hand, maybe two hands, the times when I felt a WG liked me or the sex with me. Some are just better actresses than others. Even I get fooled sometimes but eventually come back to reality.
It is a commercial transaction, best just have fun and leave it at that.
Just my POV.
OAH
Yes, I agree. Experienced punters learn to enjoy sex for the sake of sexual pleasure and they learn not to get involved emotionally. But sometimes we do get emotionally involved.
Experienced working girls learn to enjoy getting money for sex and learn not to get involved emotionally. But sometimes they also get emotionally involved.
By "emotion" I mean romantic loving feelings.
Both parties would mostly agree with OAH. Commercial transaction, have fun, leave it at that.
Just Seven
10-04-10, 15:03
I was in CP this past weekend!
I got to meet up with a few brothers and had an absolutely amazing time. Special shout out to Big Swinging Dave for making everything perfectly easy and wonderful. From meeting us at the hotel, to introducing us to the other guys, riding with us to the KTV, taking us to the flower street preview, giving us great advice on which girls were boring or fun, translating for us, getting everyone involved with different games, invaluable service!
Day 1
Location: Pozolim
Description: Clean Massage Parlor
Notes:
Prices were very reasonable, Dave took care of everything for us including picking the girls as well as the room, food/drink is included, standard menu. Had a good time chatting with the other guys in the room.
Night 1
Location: Fuhao KTV
Description: KTV with Flower Street
Notes:
A kitchy styled KTV. We had a pretty big group I think around 10 guys and around 20 girls. One of the brothers had brought his own iPod and provided nice western style music for us. Dave set us up with the room as well as texts reminding us when and where to meet. Walked us through the flower street preview and helped in the picking process. He also gave us updates about the bill throughout the night and made sure no annoying people came in and tried to sell us any junk.
Girl:
I chose two petite girls. Ended up taking the one that was being more cuddly and GFE in the room even if she was a bit chubbier than my other choice.
Back at the hotel, the service was pretty standard procedure, but very friendly and fun. Would I repeat take out? Probably not. Would I sit her again? Only if I didn't see another gem to try out.
Day 2
Back to Pozolim
Made use of their 150 minute oil body massage, along with more regular massages, again, Dave took care of everything for us. Could not ask for more!
*** Night 2 ***
Back to Fuhao
Drove with Dave from Pozolim over to Fuhao for the flower street preview. Still looking for my style of girl among the different rooms, dodging the claws and hooks of the mommies as we pass.
One very persistent mommy is trying to push this little cutey on us, I generally don't like the dyed hair girls, and initially rejected the idea. The mommy keeps on trying and actually has the girl give us a free preview by unzipping her blouse and showing us an amazing rack. She puts her arms around me and in perfect chinglish proclaims: "I love youah! " I am sold.
Best Decision I could have made. Her name is Yoyo. After a little bit of warming up we start dancing and this girl just goes into overdrive. She got everyone wild and revved up. High energy, dancing, humping, touching, licking, squeezing, more humping, yelling out "go baby go" "come on baby" and other words of encouragement as we dry humped to the music. An absolute blast! I cannot imagine a more perfect girl to sit to make any party more fun. There were some other awesome things she did in the room such as feed me and basically acted like a VERY affectionate attentive playful girlfriend. Yoyo was an easy choice to take home, if her performance at the KTV was any indication of things to come, it would have been more likely that she would be the one fucking me rather than the other way around.
The other girl I picked was also pretty decent, but just could not compare to Yoyo. The other girls name is Lilliana or something like that, but ended up being taken home by another brother. (Hope she was good to you!)
Anyway, the party ends, everyone has made their choices and we head off for some food before we go back to the hotel. Yoyo is making slurping noises and apparently wants nothing more than to start blowing me in the car. 7 people in the car, while Yoyo has a mouthful and I am trying to explain directions to someplace but keep on stammering as Yoyo's skills are turning my brain into mush. She then proudly displays my dick to the other girls in the car and they applaud (like my ego needed another boost.) then two of them proceed to cop a feel and give a couple strokes to encourage Yoyo to go for the gold! Before she can finish we end up at the restaurant.
The entire meal Yoyo can be seen orally fixated on anything she can get her hands or mouth on. Fast forward to the hotel: More attentive little things that just made her an amazing choice, after a little strip show which included having me help her take off her clothes (something I really enjoy doing) She helped me off with mine and neatly folded and put everything away neatly on a nearby chair, then she continued to rock my world, BJCIM w/swallow. A short rest, then back in the saddle, 2 pops later, whatever positions I could think of, a couple that were here idea. I wanted her to stay long time but after the 2nd round she told me that her stomach/pussy were starting to get sore, normally I hear that quite frequently at the very start and assume its just wanting to complain to get things over with, however since she already gave me three total pops if she wanted to go home, I figure I can always come back to see her again and have another amazing evening. Gave her 500 RMB and some taxi money.
Would I sit her again? I plan on sitting her EVERY time I am anywhere near her neck of the woods and am looking for a party. I do not care if I am the one taking her home or not; just having her in the room was that amazing.
Would I take her home again? I would definitely take her home again.
I am still lacking PMs so her phone number is not available unless you have my contact information. If you do, feel free to give me a call/text/email I will gladly give you the information. Unless of course we are going on the same weekend, then she is mine!
After using Big Swinging Dave to book and manage everything, I cannot imagine going to CP in any other way. The general atmosphere he brings to a party as well as the wealth of information he provides is amazing for the minuscule cost. The pack of condoms in my hotel room was more expensive than Dave's KTV hosting fee!
Already looking forward to another weekend getaway that will surely include Big Swinging Dave and Yoyo!
Absolutely agree. Sometimes when you're a bit buzz or in the heat of the monement, you're emotion comes out a little just because you've enjoyed the experience so much. But at the end of the day, its just one night of lust sponsored by your bank account. All my friends tells me that the more you are in this hobby, the more numb you will become because you will constantly remind yourself that you still have to pay her at the end of the night. Business is business.
BTW is there anyone going to CP in April? Is that a good season to go back?
Gentlemen,
Whether you call it "define" or otherwise, nearly all WGs are only in it for the money whether it be for the b/f, the family or an LV bag. Try not giving it to them and see what happens.
I've been mongering for over 30 years. I can count on one hand, maybe two hands, the times when I felt a WG liked me or the sex with me. Some are just better actresses than others. Even I get fooled sometimes but eventually come back to reality.
It is a commercial transaction, best just have fun and leave it at that.
Just my POV.
OAH
I am pretty sure the girl Yoyo was on drug.
It is a bit disappointing, but that's how it is.
I have been here 6 years, and very close to many WG.
Sure Yoyo was on "Ecstasy" or "K". Their favorite drugs.
It is a very dangerous misunderstanding. You believe you just met a fantastic girl, and you fall in love. But she was just on Ecstasy.
I am surprised, on this forum, few people mention the importance of drugs for the KTV girls. This is usually very important to them. This is what they share with their boyfriends, best friends, and best customer. It is a bit like a glue for their private social life.
Also when the KTV girls are on their own, and they want to party, they go to. KTV. Special KTV. Where they can get pretty and young KTV boys. They call them "duck". And so the girls can become the customer for once. The girls like to get naked, and everybody is crazy and wild on drugs. They just love it.
Yo Ritzfactor:
LOL - Couldn't resist the pun.
Anyhow - I am rolling into CP in three weeks - gawd - after reading your outstanding post, I think that if I wasn't .... well - I guess I'd be trying to sneak aboard a cargo plane or something.
Anyhow - - if you would be kind enough to share Yoyo's contact information with Big Swingin Dave - I'd love to enjoy her company.
In fact - I'd probably - given a "tie" in my mind if two cuties were available and one were not Yoyo - I'd probably get the cutie from the mommie who let you in on Yoyo - enough of bad service - let's reward the good service by giving good service mommies extra biz.
Been reading with interest how someone got big time ripped off - - robbed - by a girl from Manhatten (Shanghai Board), and having a similar instance happen to me a long long time ago with less severe consequences - I really think we ought to boycott those establishments that serve up issues, and the flipside - reward those that give great service. I've long been one of those mongers who will not complain to a mommie about bad service as I don't want the girl fined - but I'm thinking - the more I read about girls like yours - - the more I want to make sure those good mommies - - and GREAT girls - are rewarded.
Thanks for sharing - - - a fantstic report - I hope to share my field work in a few weeks.
D23
Best Decision I could have made. Her name is Yoyo. After a little bit of warming up we start dancing and this girl just goes into overdrive. She got everyone wild and revved up. High energy, dancing, humping, touching, licking, squeezing, more humping, yelling out "go baby go" "come on baby" and other words of encouragement as we dry humped to the music. An absolute blast!
I am still lacking PMs so her phone number is not available unless you have my contact information. If you do, feel free to give me a call/text/email I will gladly give you the information. Unless of course we are going on the same weekend, then she is mine!
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Jettsetter
10-05-10, 11:50
OAH,
Once again, I am most impressed that you get these Non-working girls all the time. Now I'm wondering...if you give them a gift instead of money, does that count as a freebie? I once had a friend who supposedly got a "freebie" from a non-working girl, but after having sex, he bought her a cell phone, which is worth 5-6 times more than just paying a working BBS girl her ST fee. But then again it's the novelty of things. I think that the feeling of getting a "freebie" especially from a Non-working girl, is more of a conquest, another level of skill to achieve.
How do you get the footie girls? I know that some guys out there try to go after them as if they want to be their boyfriends in real life-romancing them etc...which is a long process. I'm wondering, is there some special tactic to get them to bed? of you just have a lot of charm?
AsnDragon
I don't think it takes a ton of charm.. it takes chemistry though... I think it really depends... like all women, some are loose and some are tight.. so I think it's a matter of who you're going after... for some reason, I seem to go after the tighter ones... (not in the region), but those who are damn hard to get...
For the looser ones, I'm sure taking them out a few times, and showing them that you're a bit different (not a swine like you really are - i.e. faking it), and that you're bf material, and you're golden.... for the tighter ones, I think it takes alot of gaming - showing interest and persistence...
they have the old school mentality which I have learned to mean that the more you are willing to wait it out... the more it shows you are really interested... they talk in terms of weeks to months as to how long it took for them to really accept you as a bf or to get them into bed...
so if you're serious about one. it will take a while if they're more traditional... but if they're a ho.. then all bets are off...
good luck...
-J
Jettsetter
10-05-10, 11:59
Asndragon,
Please, I am not speaking about you. Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of meeting with you. My 'you' in these comments is pluralistic.
But I do disagree with your statement that money ends up defining working girls.
I work for money. Everyone I know, except for a very few people who love their careers - none of whom I've personally met, works for money.
We work to support ourselves and our loved ones.
I know for a fact that Money does not define me. I would not venture to suggest that it defines anyone else.
I have, however, met many dudes who, for their own complex reasons, are looking for love in all the wrong places: KTVs, Saunas, and BBSs.
I have empathy for these dudes. I have empathy for working girls. I especially have empathy for any relationship that includes one of each.
I see both your points.. but one thing that Meiguoguizi (sorry if i spelt it wrong) you should realize is that while we can speak from a western standard as to money and how we live, I think that many of these girls grow up where having an outhouse is pretty standard in their homes...
I think when you don't have any of it, money does tend to be a much bigger factor than when you have plenty of it, and like us, even if you're not in the upper class category, most will be at least in the middle class in the states, which is very very far from what they come from in china.
So comparing our standards to the chinese standards of money is hard to do... but having said that... i am not sure that money does define anybody... however, i think for many of the chinese whose parents make as much as we spend in a meal at a cheap hunan restaurant in CP, then its a perspective that may be a bit hard to fathom for many of us...
I'm not saying I'm one with the ideology, or I can empathize with how they think exactly... but having built good solid rleationships with lots of locals including my current gf, it's pretty amazing how different my upbriging and opportunities actually are compared to what they had and (to this day) have...
-J
Jettsetter
10-05-10, 12:03
I was in CP this past weekend!
I got to meet up with a few brothers and had an absolutely amazing time. Special shout out to Big Swinging Dave for making everything perfectly easy and wonderful. From meeting us at the hotel, to introducing us to the other guys, riding with us to the KTV, taking us to the flower street preview, giving us great advice on which girls were boring or fun, translating for us, getting everyone involved with different games, invaluable service!
Day 1
Location: Pozolim
Description: Clean Massage Parlor
Notes:
Prices were very reasonable, Dave took care of everything for us including picking the girls as well as the room, food/drink is included, standard menu. Had a good time chatting with the other guys in the room.
Night 1
Location: Fuhao KTV
Description: KTV with Flower Street
Notes:
A kitchy styled KTV. We had a pretty big group I think around 10 guys and around 20 girls. One of the brothers had brought his own iPod and provided nice western style music for us. Dave set us up with the room as well as texts reminding us when and where to meet. Walked us through the flower street preview and helped in the picking process. He also gave us updates about the bill throughout the night and made sure no annoying people came in and tried to sell us any junk.
Girl:
I chose two petite girls. Ended up taking the one that was being more cuddly and GFE in the room even if she was a bit chubbier than my other choice.
Back at the hotel, the service was pretty standard procedure, but very friendly and fun. Would I repeat take out? Probably not. Would I sit her again? Only if I didn't see another gem to try out.
Day 2
Back to Pozolim
Made use of their 150 minute oil body massage, along with more regular massages, again, Dave took care of everything for us. Could not ask for more!
*** Night 2 ***
Back to Fuhao
Drove with Dave from Pozolim over to Fuhao for the flower street preview. Still looking for my style of girl among the different rooms, dodging the claws and hooks of the mommies as we pass.
One very persistent mommy is trying to push this little cutey on us, I generally don't like the dyed hair girls, and initially rejected the idea. The mommy keeps on trying and actually has the girl give us a free preview by unzipping her blouse and showing us an amazing rack. She puts her arms around me and in perfect chinglish proclaims: "I love youah! " I am sold.
Best Decision I could have made. Her name is Yoyo. After a little bit of warming up we start dancing and this girl just goes into overdrive. She got everyone wild and revved up. High energy, dancing, humping, touching, licking, squeezing, more humping, yelling out "go baby go" "come on baby" and other words of encouragement as we dry humped to the music. An absolute blast! I cannot imagine a more perfect girl to sit to make any party more fun. There were some other awesome things she did in the room such as feed me and basically acted like a VERY affectionate attentive playful girlfriend. Yoyo was an easy choice to take home, if her performance at the KTV was any indication of things to come, it would have been more likely that she would be the one fucking me rather than the other way around.
The other girl I picked was also pretty decent, but just could not compare to Yoyo. The other girls name is Lilliana or something like that, but ended up being taken home by another brother. (Hope she was good to you!)
Anyway, the party ends, everyone has made their choices and we head off for some food before we go back to the hotel. Yoyo is making slurping noises and apparently wants nothing more than to start blowing me in the car. 7 people in the car, while Yoyo has a mouthful and I am trying to explain directions to someplace but keep on stammering as Yoyo's skills are turning my brain into mush. She then proudly displays my dick to the other girls in the car and they applaud (like my ego needed another boost.) then two of them proceed to cop a feel and give a couple strokes to encourage Yoyo to go for the gold! Before she can finish we end up at the restaurant.
The entire meal Yoyo can be seen orally fixated on anything she can get her hands or mouth on. Fast forward to the hotel: More attentive little things that just made her an amazing choice, after a little strip show which included having me help her take off her clothes (something I really enjoy doing) She helped me off with mine and neatly folded and put everything away neatly on a nearby chair, then she continued to rock my world, BJCIM w/swallow. A short rest, then back in the saddle, 2 pops later, whatever positions I could think of, a couple that were here idea. I wanted her to stay long time but after the 2nd round she told me that her stomach/pussy were starting to get sore, normally I hear that quite frequently at the very start and assume its just wanting to complain to get things over with, however since she already gave me three total pops if she wanted to go home, I figure I can always come back to see her again and have another amazing evening. Gave her 500 RMB and some taxi money.
Would I sit her again? I plan on sitting her EVERY time I am anywhere near her neck of the woods and am looking for a party. I do not care if I am the one taking her home or not; just having her in the room was that amazing.
Would I take her home again? I would definitely take her home again.
I am still lacking PMs so her phone number is not available unless you have my contact information. If you do, feel free to give me a call/text/email I will gladly give you the information. Unless of course we are going on the same weekend, then she is mine!
After using Big Swinging Dave to book and manage everything, I cannot imagine going to CP in any other way. The general atmosphere he brings to a party as well as the wealth of information he provides is amazing for the minuscule cost. The pack of condoms in my hotel room was more expensive than Dave's KTV hosting fee!
Already looking forward to another weekend getaway that will surely include Big Swinging Dave and Yoyo!
Hey Ritzfactor.. great partying with you.. did your buddy like his double??
Anyways, I think the girl you had goes by Coco, not Yoyo.... she is dead one the one I am thinking of... a little crazy... hella fun.. but you described her to the "t"...
I'm pretty sure it's her... name is close enough just a different letter...
glad you had fun with her... she is crazy in the room and can party with the best of them... I had a similar experience with her in the past....
when are you guys back? I'll be heading back on the 13th...
-J
Just Seven
10-05-10, 13:44
Hey Ritzfactor. Great partying with you. Did your buddy like his double?
Anyways, I think the girl you had goes by Coco, not Yoyo. She is dead one the one I am thinking of. A little crazy. Hella fun. But you described her to the "t".
I'm pretty sure it's her. Name is close enough just a different letter.
Glad you had fun with her. She is crazy in the room and can party with the best of them. I had a similar experience with her in the past.
When are you guys back? I'll be heading back on the 13th.I am pretty certain she said Yo Yo, although if there is a Co Co like this as well, I think having both in the room would be a feat none would soon forget.
As for my friends double. I told him it wouldn't be the porn style threesome which he thought it would. And I was right. He still enjoyed it, but their attitude turned to shit pretty quickly so instead of keeping them long time he sent them home.
When will we be back. I am not sure. Hopefully soon! When I find out more about schedules, I will be sure to let you know.
Douglas,
I think PMs get turned on for me tomorrow so I will send you her number and try her out for a spin.
I do think I should clarify.
I am a big white american, I speak almost no Chinese but generally have a good time using facial gesture body language and whole bunch of tom foolery, it does tend to skew situations as there is very little verbal communication, your results may vary.
Big Swingin Dave
10-05-10, 15:18
Anyways, I think the girl you had goes by Coco, not Yoyo.... -JIt's a new girl buddy, we found a new gem, she was like an old time FH wild child, she was awesome! The best part was when Ritz was in the third row seat alone with her and she was giving him a BBBJ and he was talking to us in a state of complete jibberish, I was LMAO in the front seat, it was a fantastic night and a girl to definitely party with.
BSD
Coco dyed her hair??? yes that does sound like her in the room, but afaik i have never seen her on K/X in the kTV. honestly that is just her personality and she gets wild with alcohol. she does like to blow as another ISG brother was blown in the open ktv room by her...
It's a new girl buddy, we found a new gem, she was like an old time FH wild child, she was awesome! The best part was when Ritz was in the third row seat alone with her and she was giving him a BBBJ and he was talking to us in a state of complete jibberish, I was LMAO in the front seat, it was a fantastic night and a girl to definitely party with...
BSD
Whoops - missed this post... YoYo? New to town? ok maybe she was on drugs.. lol.. guess she'll be on the guest list next week.
Can't wait to meet her. Here. I come.
It's a new girl buddy, we found a new gem, she was like an old time FH wild child, she was awesome! The best part was when Ritz was in the third row seat alone with her and she was giving him a BBBJ and he was talking to us in a state of complete jibberish, I was LMAO in the front seat, it was a fantastic night and a girl to definitely party with.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
10-06-10, 17:31
The schedule for the Canton Fair (in Guangzhou) is as follows:
Phase 1: October 15 - 19, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
Phase 2: October 23 - 27, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
Phase 3: October 31 - Novermber 4, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
As it has in the past, it does CP somewhat especially in the weekends, so anyone planning to visit CP during the above times, please make your reservations ahead and expect surcharges from various hotels.
BSD
Mit Fo Lfe
10-07-10, 03:33
The schedule for the Canton Fair (in Guangzhou) is as follows:
Phase 1: October 15 - 19, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
Phase 2: October 23 - 27, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
Phase 3: October 31 - Novermber 4, 2010 9:30 - 18:00
As it has in the past, it does CP somewhat especially in the weekends, so anyone planning to visit CP during the above times, please make your reservations ahead and expect surcharges from various hotels.
BSD
I can say that I've been to CP during the fair....be prepared to head out early and pick quickly as all the girls are swooped up in a blink of an eye!
Wish I could head back this year!!
BSDave...hit me up on QQ or MSN when you get a chance.
Eurochinacpl
10-12-10, 07:38
Hey guys,
Hello, from Guangzhou. Nope Í or should I better say we, as we are a young couple, am not the usual suspect aka canton fair visitors and after reading the previous posts I certainly don't plan to visit CP during the fair as I have all the time in the world (living in Guangzhou for 13 year).
I am however a "virgin" when it comes to CP or "mongering" in China (I know I know hard to believe given all those years). But now to my question. Do you know any place in CP to which I could bring my gf (real gf met in europe but local cantonese) and still have some fun? Like a nice sauna or a good xxx club?. I have been to Prague mostly for adult entertainment and could have easily brought my gf to strip clubs there and she would have enjoyed the show.
Tips are highly appreciated and I promisie well written and documented reports (ups I think the german in me comes out) I also thought about Guangzhou and that nice island near Kaiping but Guangzhou seems to be under crackdown and the island is off season as far as I know.
Dan Hawaii
10-12-10, 12:37
Try the larger department stores, the best ones are from Besta (taiwan company) and might be easier to find in HongKong in a big electronics store.
I have seen them in the department store right near RedLion in CP, but they are often for chinese-english and the reverse isn't that good.
BBK also makes a decent one but make sure you have sentence translation. Your other option is get an iphone and use any of the apps like KT-Dict or Chinatalk of Transmate for translation. they work pretty well (KT can be used without internet).
Yo Freepeaks, hows everything?
sucks that I missed you in august, anyways, I'm really missing cp again. Just need to get a good excuse to go back again. Kind of on lock down.:(
Anyways, to talk to the girls, I was using a translator program on the Iphone that could translate English sentences to Chinese sentences. And for them to talk back. I told them to text me, because they are familiar with texting on their phones already, so it was really fast and easy for them to do it. I would just copy and paste it to the google translator to do the chinese to english translations.
Worked out really fast, as I was skilled at using my iphone keypad, and they are skilled at using their own phone to text me. No extra buttons to press, no learning how to use anything, and no need trading off the translator machine.
The only problem is that you need an Wi Fi connection, otherwise you are shit out of luck.
Just my 2 cents on translating.
Dan Hawaii
10-12-10, 13:09
Would my dentist fix my teeth for free? Would my gardener cut my grass without charge?
It is precisely the 'customers' that delude themselves about being a 'boyfriend' that criticize working girls 'emotional commitment". That is what bothers me. This criticism is a projection of their own neediness.
Criticize performance. My dentist did a shitty job.
But don't project your need for love on the poor young girl who is doing an unappealing difficult job by questioning her motivation.
My dentist feeds his family. Xiaomei feeds hers.
If you need a working girl to love you, that is your problem. Not hers.
I work for money.
We work to support ourselves and our loved ones.
I have, however, met many dudes who, for their own complex reasons, are looking for love in all the wrong places: KTVs, Saunas, and BBSs.
.
I see where you are coming from and I agree with you. It's a business transaction, and in any business transaction you want to make money or create an asset (husband, sugar daddy, etc).
Don't hate the players, hate the game. The WG only promised you sex, not love. If you thought she was genuinely into you and took your money, she plays the game well. Be thankful, because you got a winner. If you fell in love with her, well, like I said before..., don't hate the players, hate the game.
In ChangPing on a circle of China by train I decided to sample the local wares.
I don't drink and I don't smoke and I don't sing, so the KTV's were out of the question. The Hui Hua 4th floor seemed to be quite busy with the Canton Fair attendees. So I decided to pick up some takeout from the Jia Mei Hotel BBS behind the Hui Mei.
I've had good luck with the quantity and quality of selection there in the past. However on my last visit I picked up a beautiful Chinese girl – one of the cutest I had ever seen. True to SEAJ's corollary, the quality of service is directly proportional to the looks of the girl. And this one was a dead fish when I got her back to the room. I was determined not to make the same mistake this time.
I was surprised to see that the "square" between the Hui Mei and the Miraton (where the runners hung out) was gone – under construction. I made a bee-line to the Jia Mei. However, I was intercepted by a runner from one of the BBSs behind the Hui Mei. There was no shaking her, no matter what I tried! I have had good luck at her BBS in the past so decided to give in rather than making more of a scene than she was already making (dragging me forcefully down the street).
This was one of those BBSs behind locked doors in the alley. Inside at 6:00 pm were about 16 girls. They had me sit down and they presented each one of the girls. The guy kept asking me what I was looking for – tall girls, big boobs, big butt, etc. I was really looking for one who spoke English! Well, sitting right next to me was a nice looking young (18) local girl who spoke English. She said she would like to go with me, so after paying the mommy her 100, we were out the door.
The girl was playful and had a great smile. We walked arm-in-arm back to the Hui Hua and right on through the lobby. With a 40 year difference in age, we did draw some attention. But we were certainly in good company with all the other punters and their girls.
The girl was very cute, petite and with beautiful, clear smooth skin. She had long, silky black hair and smallish breasts with great nipples. Oh wait! That pretty much describes most of the girls in China! Anyway, performance wasn't so hot – as you might expect from an 18 year old. But, I did manage to bring her to climax with DATY!
Afterwards I was (still) hungry so took her to dinner at a nearby restaurant.
There's always a trade-off – the sauna girls are more experienced but tend to go through the motions and routine in rote, absent-minded manner. The BBS girls aren't as experienced (or trained) but there is a level of spontaneity that the sauna girls lack. So, not a bad evening for a couple hundred red Mao's!.
Mit Fo Lfe
10-13-10, 00:25
Yo Freepeaks, hows everything?
sucks that I missed you in august, anyways, I'm really missing cp again. Just need to get a good excuse to go back again. Kind of on lock down.:(
Anyways, to talk to the girls, I was using a translator program on the Iphone that could translate English sentences to Chinese sentences. And for them to talk back. I told them to text me, because they are familiar with texting on their phones already, so it was really fast and easy for them to do it. I would just copy and paste it to the google translator to do the chinese to english translations.
Worked out really fast, as I was skilled at using my iphone keypad, and they are skilled at using their own phone to text me. No extra buttons to press, no learning how to use anything, and no need trading off the translator machine.
The only problem is that you need an Wi Fi connection, otherwise you are shit out of luck.
Just my 2 cents on translating.
your iPhone shouldn't require wifi to use the online translators. All you need is edge though slow still works. I was using my iPhone with edge and was able to translate their txt messages. You shouldve asked jettsetter or myself if you were having problems. It was great meeting you though we will have to go karting again.
OldAsiaHand
10-13-10, 03:37
There's always a trade-off – the sauna girls are more experienced but tend to go through the motions and routine in rote, absent-minded manner. The BBS girls aren't as experienced (or trained) but there is a level of spontaneity that the sauna girls lack. So, not a bad evening for a couple hundred red Mao's!.
Red Rider,
Great report!
As far as I know, the price behind Hui Mei is only 150RMB, inclusive...50 to mama and 100 to the girl.
OAH
Yes - Dinner with her was 48 RMB.
I wouldn't overpay!
Red Rider
SE Asia Joe
10-13-10, 05:56
Red Rider,
Great report!
As far as I know, the price behind Hui Mei is only 150RMB, inclusive...50 to mama and 100 to the girl.
OAH
Since they closed down lots of the other BBS in area a couple or so months back, Chiu Chao Bo had raised her price to 200 ..... and the b...ch stuck to this price no matter how hard I tried. Probably still "enforcing" this with most.
Please advise otherwise.
SEAJ
Since they closed down lots of the other BBS in area a couple or so months back, Chiu Chao Bo had raised her price to 200 ..... and the b...ch stuck to this price no matter how hard I tried. Probably still "enforcing" this with most.
Please advise otherwise.
SEAJ
Late July and late September this year, I took out a few girls from two BBS places behind Hui Mei. It was only 150 for both places.
The one mommie that had girls inside a hotel next to Hui Mei Hotel, has relocated to the same alley. I didn't take any girls from her but I think it's still 150. All of them like to hit me and yell at me like before, if I don't pick anything.
Hi,
I'm travelling to Dongguan for the first time and I would like some advice about where to go near my hotel.
I`m staying at the Sheraton in Houjie (my company pays), any good stuff around there like BBS?
Thanks for your tips,
Since they closed down lots of the other BBS in area a couple or so months back, Chiu Chao Bo had raised her price to 200 ..... and the b...ch stuck to this price no matter how hard I tried. Probably still "enforcing" this with most.
Please advise otherwise.
SEAJ
When I was there last, I was charged 150rmb. it was around early-mid sept
SE Asia Joe
10-13-10, 18:06
When I was there last, I was charged 150rmb. it was around early-mid sept
GREAT to know that I'm wrong and that the "free/competitve Market" still exists!
Last I went there to get a gal was during the time when the bad crackdowns was happening and her shop was the only one left open - thus giving her leverage then. Musta been more punters of the same sentiment avoiding the place, forcing prices back down.
How many are now back open behind the Hui Mei?
SEAJ
Just Seven
10-14-10, 01:28
Junkercit
If you are heading to CP, calling Dave would be your smartest choice. His advertisement can be found on the Classifieds section
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1063042&postcount=324
Also, when will you be in town?
Dan Hawaii
10-14-10, 11:04
your iPhone shouldn't require wifi to use the online translators. All you need is edge though slow still works. I was using my iPhone with edge and was able to translate their txt messages. You shouldve asked jettsetter or myself if you were having problems. It was great meeting you though we will have to go karting again.
Yeah go karting was good fun. Sorry for crashing into everyone. Haha. You guys had it out for me on the second round.
Anyways, what's "edge"?? An app? Where do I get it? Any translating without wi fi is a winner. I have a Chinese translator dictionary that you don't need wi fi, it only does words or phrases. But the one that needs wi fi can translate sentences and powerful enough to translate paragraphs.
Criss Thor
10-14-10, 14:22
It's few months since I (with few friends) was in CP. It was a crazy time with some funny adventures. I think, that it was also not easy for BSD to manage group of 8 people (5 of them don't speak english, and one of them was a girl)
I know that I promised to describe here our visit. Unfortunatelly last time was hard for me, but now I'm coming back here! So very soon using my english (not the best as you can see) try to tell you all our story.
BTW: big thanks and greetings for BSD, SEA Joe and Jetsetter!
Yeah go karting was good fun. Sorry for crashing into everyone. Haha. You guys had it out for me on the second round.
Anyways, what's "edge"?? An app? Where do I get it? Any translating without wi fi is a winner. I have a Chinese translator dictionary that you don't need wi fi, it only does words or phrases. But the one that needs wi fi can translate sentences and powerful enough to translate paragraphs.
I am looking for a computer program myself. A software for MS Windows. Google translator is not very good for the internet. It gets the meaning across but not correct. It's about 50-60%.
I have seem translators for MS Mobile 6.X but I have never used it.
Weelock,
Try mdbg.net , it's an online translator, but you can purchase a version to use offline. It breaks down the translation character by character so you can see if the translation is garbled or not.
I have tried all sorts of PC based translation tools, but there is no software that provides completely accurate translations. Basically the same as all the human translator / interpreters I have used in China. At least using a PC doesn't provide 5-10 minutes of group discussion ultimately ending in a one word answer.
Dan Hawaii
10-14-10, 20:44
I am looking for a computer program myself. A software for MS Windows. Google translator is not very good for the internet. It gets the meaning across but not correct. It's about 50-60%.
I have seem translators for MS Mobile 6.X but I have never used it.
You are right that some does get lost in translation. But with a bit of thought, you kind of understand what is trying to be said. Well, 90% of the time.
Even when you are writing to them, you need to make the sentence as simple and straight forward as possible.
Cunning Linguist
10-14-10, 23:40
You are right that some does get lost in translation. But with a bit of thought, you kind of understand what is trying to be said. Well, 90% of the time.
Even when you are writing to them, you need to make the sentence as simple and straight forward as possible.
I honestly think that it is best to have a good basic grasp of simple Chinese and then carry around a small dictionary. It is a low tech idea but a good one.
You need to know the basic vocabulary, basic grammar and then fill in the gaps with the dictionary. Of course, this is assuming that you are familiar with pinyin or even hanzi. It worked for me. The new iPad has an awesome Chinese dictionary on it, Pleco.
Just Seven
10-15-10, 01:32
http://qq.bur.st/qqtranslator.php
Pretty useful for translating using your iPhone (no wifi required, but does need internet so: gprs/edge/3g etc)
Breaks down character by character, shows pinyin and english, has a small chat history, pretty good stuff.
To have a good time in CP, you should speak some basic Chinese IMHO. I know it sucks, but there is no better motivator. Just ask Freepeaks or Cunning Linguist. Those guys are printing the Learning Curve!
Malia Jones
10-15-10, 09:35
I will be in CP for a few days beginning 10/31. Anyone gonna be around?
I'm also staying at the Sheraton Houjie next week.
Whats the action like in/around the Sheraton Houjie these days?
WW
First on the list for Houjie is to make sure you have enrolled on SPG website to get the Sheraton points and as importantly - the "stay up to ten nights" get double points, and over ten gets you triple. Great program.
This also helps you beg plead argue complain for a suite and they are real beauties.
Here are some options:
KTV:
1. Regal Hotel (Ka Wa) - -I like this best - minimum food charge 480 Rmb. ST: 500, LT: 900. Susan is good Mommie there. They also have a bar if I remember correctly so you don't have to get room. My associate never lets me do the bar room - - -says it is a little unsafe but it sure looked fine to me. He insists on KTV Room which has always been a blast. This KTV is 10 minute taxi from Sheraton Houjie.
2. Also 10 minute taxi is Cinese Hotel - - decent KTV. Same rates.
3. In hotel is Sheraton KTV which I have only been to once near closing and did this bargain deal just to get a girl. ie - 300 minimum use room for an hour eat some food - get limited lineup then upstairs to do your thang.
Saunas: Tried the Sheraton - elevator down - twice - - both times I was just there too late. Second time some hotel guy took pity on me - - took me though the garage and out to a hotel pretty much next door where on the 5th floor I believe, they had southern Chinese style Sauna - ie) nice hotel room with windowed shower stalls and lineup of four. I think prices were 700/800/900 for "plainest girl, Plain girl, and Pretty girl". I chose Pretty girl and havd the night of my life. I believe I posted about it so have a read. To get there avoiding the garage I believe you just exit hotel and keep bearing right - almost behind /beside it is a smaller hotel/condo type building - - follow your spidey senses - - apologies as I was a little drunk / exhausted / 2 am when I went.
Other options: 2nd floor or third floor (the foor that has business centre) - - women / mommies will literally hide behind the palm tree/plant just outside the elevators. Not great looking but I think if a mommie she can send a little parade to your room. Not recommended but I guess in a pinch.
To be explored: across the road from Sheraton Houjie - cross the 8 lanes of traffic or so - - real life Frogger video game. You will see biker taxis and a shopping plaza.
Go through the plaza - it exits on a main shopping street. walk the street - my monger senses were tingling when i walked by some of the smaller streets that shoot off this main street - -(in the direction of away from Sheraton) - but I did not have time to investigate. Same goes for McDonalds heading left on this street as you pop out of the back side of the shopping plaza. Seemed to be some freebie and or WG's casing the place.
I found hotel very girl friendly and the bell desk fellows pretty helpful - - they know what you want.
Hotel great, but only on company dime - - otherwise I'd highly recommend hitting CP - - look up Big Swingin Dave and he can try to get you hotel ressie. Take the train into Guangzhou for the fair. Trust me - - the shuttles from Houjie -- even the private cars - - its a long ride.
PM me if you end up in CP - I arrive on 23rd and looking forward to many party nights.
No Canton Fair for me this time. However - unfortunately - - Canton Fair timing.
D23
I'm also staying at the Sheraton Houjie next week.
Whats the action like in/around the Sheraton Houjie these days?
WW
Anyone knows how to find KTV girls who have left working at any particular KTV? Mobile number etc has changed, used to be at Hui Hua KTV but cannot trace since July
Downunder96
10-16-10, 16:12
I will be in town for a few days from 18th Mon. Use to come quite often but not last 2 years. I will be staying in clipper this time bcos Miraton and couple others all fully booked. Anyone wants to meet up DU96
SE Asia Joe
10-17-10, 14:22
Anyone knows how to find KTV girls who have left working at any particular KTV? Mobile number etc has changed, used to be at Hui Hua KTV but cannot trace since July
Go back/contact the mommie she was under.
Or ask the manager, The DJ you used, other gals in the room etc.
What's the big deal here?
If she was all that special, you would have kept close contact with her.
There's tons of gals in and out of CP all the time - so why get so hung up on 1 - who I presume from your not keeping close contact with, that she must NOT have been all that special?
Unless of course if she owes you money or she stole something from you. LOL!
SEAJ
SEAJOE,
Welcome back young lad! Good to see you back on the board, you've been MIA for a long while. Wasn't sure if you had found another girl that you have fell head over heels for, sponsored her and then bought her a whole apartment building again. j/k
I can see where this guy is coming from. As I've said before, I'm still searching for that one Jiayi KTV girl from 2 years ago. She was certainly special, but when work came along and you get busy, you end up not keeping in touch and their cell phone number gets changed...I was too stupid to get her QQ number, but nowadays Old men like me are getting more saavy with technology and I' m asking for the girl's QQ numbers now. Although some girls give you the wrong ones, fake ones, or ones where they block you. That's a hint to me they don't like old men like me, thus I stay away.
AsnDragon
Go back/contact the mommie she was under.
Or ask the manager, The DJ you used, other gals in the room etc.
What's the big deal here?
If she was all that special, you would have kept close contact with her.
There's tons of gals in and out of CP all the time - so why get so hung up on 1 - who I presume from your not keeping close contact with, that she must NOT have been all that special?
Unless of course if she owes you money or she stole something from you. LOL!
SEAJ
Dbhappiness
10-17-10, 19:28
Have a question. I notice on here from many Photos guys NOT using condoms! Is this normal? Are they crazy or just don't care? I am new to all this and have a "few" under my belt now. The thought of getting an STD/AIDS is scary. How does one know if the bullet has spun in the direction of the hammer? I have used condoms every time. One did break and It keeps me up at night some times. I suppose the Odds of getting something are slim? Even with a condom?
I read how CAVALIER these post are. Girl after girl done. For sure some of the girls that "you" have encountered have had to contracted a STD.
Can anyone just give me some insight and statistics?
Thanks DBH
Nice Guy 99
10-17-10, 22:17
DBH, you're pretty safe unless you are buying performance enhancing drugs from 4RX.com.
Statistics:
Sample size 10,492 Laowai in exit interviews from China
Percentage contracting STDs from having unprotected sex with Han providers 0.326%
Percentage contracting STDs from having unprotected sex with Han providers while using performance enhancing drugs from 4RTX 43.7%
No statistics are available for non-Han providers.
Source can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
Just Seven
10-18-10, 05:00
I was in CP this weekend and I had arranged for Yoyo already (as the fair is in Guangzhou the girls go VERY quickly)
She was a star in the room again, had an absolutely amazing time, ***HOWEVER*** We had a problem. Got her back to the hotel, BBBJ finish with full sex. Every position I wanted to try, no problem. Last time she did not want to stay for long time, this time I asked before if she wanted to stay for long time, she agreed. So as we partied hard, we went for one round and then went to sleep.
Tried waking her up at 6 o clock to start round 2 and hopefully get in a third before it was time to go to breakfast and start the rest of my day. She was not having any of it. Time passed and still no morning pop. I explained that I had to leave in 15 minutes so lets have a quickie. She refused. I gave her 600 (she is a 2/5/8). She got upset and a little pissy about it, explaining how since she spent the night it should be 800.
After some failed attempts to communicate I call BSDave to help out.
I translated that sit in KTV is 200. One time at night is 500. One time at night one time in morning is 800. Dave relays this information and we came to agreement that no sex in the morning 600 is fine, with sex in the morning 800. Get off the phone with Dave, I say I have no time so no sex so 600, byebye. She disagrees won't go blahblahblah, more time passes, I am late now, I just give her the 800 and try to go. Now she wants 850.
I am way passed dealing with the situation, completely frustrated from not having a morning pop. And I just go.
Sadly I do not think I will sit Yoyo again after this incident. However I still think she is absolutely amazing in the room and pretty good for short time. I would warn everyone NOT to keep her long time as from my experience she is not a morning person!
Just Seven
10-18-10, 05:11
Had another absolutely amazing time in CP (forgetting about the Yoyo Incident in the morning).
Met up with a bunch of folks. Meiguoguizi, Jettsetter, ThreePeaks and a bunch of others whose handles I have forgotten.
We took about 12 guys to ride go karts. Had an absolute blast! I think it worked out to 140 rmb for two races per person. They offered us a deal in the future for 6 hours all you can eat drink and drive for 400rmb a person, and around 200RMB for a girl to eat and drink (no drive). If we can setup a group of 10 or so people to do this, I think it would be a very nice change from the regular KTV scene for an evening!
After all the shenanigans I wanted to hit up a BBS to relax, little did I know that the BBS scene in CP is takeout only and was not open at 2pm haha! Attempted to kill some time until that opened. Tried to go to Pozolim, 1. 5 hour wait. Tried to go to Virgin Spa. 1 hour wait. This again made me realize the value of BSDaves services. I had never realized all the benefits of having him be your arrange things for you! Never had to wait for anything, walked in like a King! I know you are all sick of hearing it, so this will be the last time I promote him, but will definitely not be the last time I use his services!
Anyway, after the failed attempts at getting a regular massage to kill time to for some BBS, I decide to get a Sauna Girl instead. Go to virgin sauna. The waiting room for Sauna girls is over an hour long. Dave gets on his batphone, calles up some of his connections and sends me over to Hui Mei Spa. I am met by a manager at the elevator and escorted around and shown the lineup. Perfect. 4 pops later (thank you girl whose name I cannot remember) I am in a state of bliss, everything is taken care of and its time to head back to reality and leave CP.
Until next time. Hunt Happy!
SE Asia Joe
10-18-10, 05:57
SEAJOE,
Welcome back young lad! Good to see you back on the board, you've been MIA for a long while. Wasn't sure if you had found another girl that you have fell head over heels for, sponsored her and then bought her a whole apartment building again. j/k
I can see where this guy is coming from. As I've said before, I'm still searching for that one Jiayi KTV girl from 2 years ago. She was certainly special, but when work came along and you get busy, you end up not keeping in touch and their cell phone number gets changed...I was too stupid to get her QQ number, but nowadays Old men like me are getting more saavy with technology and I' m asking for the girl's QQ numbers now. Although some girls give you the wrong ones, fake ones, or ones where they block you. That's a hint to me they don't like old men like me, thus I stay away.
AsnDragon
Thanks - yeah MIA for a while from here - as what had happened was really ridiculous.
I'll try and post once a while - but perhaps not worth it to get so involved here - not when we've got so many crazies around.
SEAJ
Bad Boy Billy
10-18-10, 06:15
Thanks - yeah MIA for a while from here - as what had happened was really ridiculous........I'll try and post once a while - but perhaps not worth it to get so involved hereJoe what happened was beyond comprehension.
You have been an invaluable source of reliable accurate information for 100's of intending visitors to CP - please do not let this series of incidents stop you from helping so many.
Jettsetter
10-19-10, 02:47
Anyone knows how to find KTV girls who have left working at any particular KTV? Mobile number etc has changed, used to be at Hui Hua KTV but cannot trace since July
If you really like a girl, make sure you get her QQ number.. .she'll never change that number (although she may have more than one). Mobile phones are lost and stolen all the time... so they won't necessarily buy a make-up card (SIM) with the same number... but QQ doesn't get lost... and most of them only have one QQ Number for all their friends, etc...
What is QQ you ask, sort of like a social networking thing kind of like Facebook and Yahoo IM/MSN IM all rolled into one... every girl I know has one... and if you want to meet girls.. great way to talk and chat...
also you'll vastly improve your written chinese if you get it... just look up QQ International and download the software...
I have it on my iphone... it's a great way to keep in touch.
But otherwise, finding a girl who's not around anymore is pretty much impossible... unless you have other contacts (friends, mommies, etc) and eve nat that,,they've probably left already.
good luck.
-J
What is QQ you ask, ... it's a great way to keep in touch.
Fully agree! i have communicated for a couple of years and a couple of trips with a girl - and i do not have one little bit of Chinese language ability ! QQ has a great translate page that allows me to chat and respond in Chinese characters via my Blackberry. A little tedious but interesting (and worth it)
Sometimes the translation is a little funny but generally it works. For example, i once asked this girl if she would be happy to meet me again when i came back there. Apparently the translated text read that i was asking if she would "service" me hehehehe She did !
Ozirob
Three rounds with this girl yoyo? Great. Now, other side of the story. Reached Guangzhou and called dave about the KTV scene and the girl yoyo, after reading some reports about her. Dave, a very nice guy actually, asked me to come around 6. 30, & assured he will pre book yoyo for me. Sadly I was late & reached about 7. 30. We were 4 guys in the room from ISG. Yoyo was there as dave booked her for me as promised. Now the sad part is that I dint like her at all. Now I agree that she was really funny natured, very bold girl but what to do if you don't like the girl by appearence and by looks and figure. This is my way of choosing the girl. Ifound her neither beautuful, nor sexy, and nothing to talk about body either. So, I asked dave about it. Dave told me that as she was already booked for me and waiting for me, I should make her sit with me and pay the minimum of 200 rmb when we leave. I totally agreed with dave and asked him that I would like to choose one another girl for me. Now as it was too late not much of choice available. I asked dave as no other girl of my taste available can I leave paying yoyo her 200 rmb and instead go to some souna. Here dave told me that as you were also planned as the fourth guy for sharing this KTV room, you have to share by giving 400 rmb, you go or stay. Now again I thought he was right here so I choose a girl which was around 5 in my scale, & involved in the KTV playin and dancin and all.
Now, a room in clipper was already booked by dave for 270 rmb. Very nice room with breakfast included. I paid 200 rmb to yoyo, 400 to dave for KTV room contribution and took the other girl with me to clipper. What happened here was that after reaching the room the girl started showing too much tiredness, and wants to sleep. Refuses for BJ and acted that she will vomit even if I ask her to try it. Layed down as dead fish. Called dave, and he told me to send back her paying sitting fee of 200 rmb. I did it and at 1am in the night I was sitting alone in my room, without any fuck, already spending 1070 rmb. Ha ha. Now what happened after that, is another story that I visited a souna around 2 am, alone my self and had a wonderfull time there paying 400 rmb, including a room to sleep after I finish. Will post about that and other experiences in oyela souna, fuhao souna, and the other souna under fuhao, and the club scene in Guangzhou shortly. Cheers
I was in CP this weekend and I had arranged for Yoyo already (as the fair is in Guangzhou the girls go VERY quickly)
She was a star in the room again, had an absolutely amazing time, ***HOWEVER*** We had a problem. Got her back to the hotel, BBBJ finish with full sex. Every position I wanted to try, no problem. Last time she did not want to stay for long time, this time I asked before if she wanted to stay for long time, she agreed. So as we partied hard, we went for one round and then went to sleep.
Tried waking her up at 6 o clock to start round 2 and hopefully get in a third before it was time to go to breakfast and start the rest of my day. She was not having any of it. Time passed and still no morning pop. I explained that I had to leave in 15 minutes so lets have a quickie. She refused. I gave her 600 (she is a 2/5/8). She got upset and a little pissy about it, explaining how since she spent the night it should be 800.
After some failed attempts to communicate I call BSDave to help out.
I translated that sit in KTV is 200. One time at night is 500. One time at night one time in morning is 800. Dave relays this information and we came to agreement that no sex in the morning 600 is fine, with sex in the morning 800. Get off the phone with Dave, I say I have no time so no sex so 600, byebye. She disagrees won't go blahblahblah, more time passes, I am late now, I just give her the 800 and try to go. Now she wants 850.
I am way passed dealing with the situation, completely frustrated from not having a morning pop. And I just go.
Sadly I do not think I will sit Yoyo again after this incident. However I still think she is absolutely amazing in the room and pretty good for short time. I would warn everyone NOT to keep her long time as from my experience she is not a morning person!
Downunder96
10-19-10, 19:30
I have spent the last 2 nights staying in clipper hotel. 2 of the Yalan BBS has relocated here, selection wise for the last 2 days was very quiet. i was there about 6pm on monday n only 8 girls on, today tuesday about 8pm about 10 girls.i have the contact for the 2 mamasan pm me if you want.
I still find BBS is the best value for money. i usually spend about 2-3 hours with the girl for $200. Good chat, solid round of FS, out strolling the street and have dinner/supper.
4 pops! Yo dude, what are you taking? How do I get some of that?
Perfect. 4 pops later (thank you girl whose name I cannot remember) I am in a state of bliss, everything is taken care of and its time to head back to reality and leave CP.
Until next time. Hunt Happy!
Dan Hawaii
10-20-10, 03:10
Now, a room in clipper was already booked by dave for 270 rmb. Very nice room with breakfast included. I paid 200 rmb to yoyo, 400 to dave for KTV room contribution and took the other girl with me to clipper. What happened here was that after reaching the room the girl started showing too much tiredness, and wants to sleep. Refuses for BJ and acted that she will vomit even if I ask her to try it. Layed down as dead fish. Called dave, and he told me to send back her paying sitting fee of 200 rmb. I did it and at 1am in the night I was sitting alone in my room, without any fuck, already spending 1070 rmb.
I know what you mean...
Sometimes nothing goes your way in CP. I had a string of bad luck and bad experiences, in a row, sometimes for a couple of days straight. But, eventually, it goes away and CP becomes heaven again.:)
But I hope you learned your lesson...
Never, Never, Ever do you go to a ktv late. Unless you are bringing sand to the beach.
Just Seven
10-20-10, 05:16
Hey Prince,
Sorry things did not work out with Yoyo! Even though I won't be sitting her anymore after the last incident, I can still highly recomend her as a KTV Room star, she is alot of fun for 200 rmb, the atmosphere she can bring is pretty good. But each KTV party has a different feel to it. She meshes well with what I want in a KTV room, but not what I want afterwords
Some other tips for KTV.
GET THERE EARLY
GET THERE EARLY
GET THERE EARLY
Even if you just go to pick the girl and let her know your room number and then come back later, thats fine. The girl will wait for you if you tell her when you will be back! Hard to have a girl wait for you if there are none to be picked!
EAT BEFOREHAND!
This is the second time I have had this situation come up. KTV atmosphere is great, everyone is rocking and having a good time, we get hungry, get some food and then the energy level just fucking plummets and we come back and people are singing sappy sad songs and falling asleep instead of rocking out!
A timeline for a good CP day for me would be something like this:
Pozolim from 12-4
Food from 4. 6
Pre Flower street selection 6
Sit in KTV at 7
KTV from 7-?
Leave early enough that you and the girl still have enough energy to pornstar it out in the hotel room.
If you are hungry again, eat AFTER the pop!
This makes sure you are not starving but are also not in a food coma. This also gives you time to make some chit chat with the girl, get her QQ# see if you like her when she's not in KTV mode etc etc. Also gives you a good window to determine if you want to keep her long time or not, as she will likely not turn down food after the pop (unless she doesn't like you and then she will cut and run as soon as she can)
Follow up to my earlier email - - I found another mommie's card:
Jia Hua Grand Hotel
Entrance of Furniture Boulevard, Houjie Town, Dongguan
www.jiahuagrandhotel.com
Mommy: BoBo. Her card reads "Protocol Minister of Recreation Dept.". That one cracks me up.
PM me for her contact info.
Good luck.
D23
I'm also staying at the Sheraton Houjie next week.
Whats the action like in/around the Sheraton Houjie these days?
WW
Hey Prince:
Your story reminded me of a few bad nights that I've had as well - but these give cause to reflect....
I too choose for looks but more often than not, I find myself choosing repeat girls for performance. In fact, as days go on, I cannot even remember how they looked - - just the performance.
So it reminds me of when I got a rental car one time in the US - it was a Mustang - - I'm NOT a Mustang type, and certainly not a Yellow Mustang type. However - - took it for a ride and enjoyed the performance. I'd never have rented it on my own - luck just found me in that car. I haven't seen Yoyo (yet), but perhaps despite looks and body, would have been a nice ride.
Coming to town in a few nights and have asked BSD if I do arrive late (730 pm - 800 pm...)- - to pick two girls for me - - I gave him loose descriptions of what I am looking for - sleek car and a Mustang - LOL - - and though I'm hoping not to be late - - if so I may grab one more girl myself (yeah first night - sit three...) and am somewhat looking forward to the surprise.
Just gonna roll with it.
Anyways - an expensive night for a strikeout, but i's a little like Vegas I guess - - what makes it great is that some nights you just clean up !!!
If you in town 23 - 31 - PM me, ok ?
Cheers,
D23
Three rounds with this girl yoyo? Great. Now, other side of the story. Reached Guangzhou and called dave about the KTV scene and the girl yoyo, after reading some reports about her. Dave, a very nice guy actually, asked me to come around 6. 30, & assured he will pre book yoyo for me. Sadly I was late & reached about 7. 30. We were 4 guys in the room from ISG. Yoyo was there as dave booked her for me as promised. Now the sad part is that I dint like her at all. Now I agree that she was really funny natured, very bold girl but what to do if you don't like the girl by appearence and by looks and figure. This is my way of choosing the girl. Ifound her neither beautuful, nor sexy, and nothing to talk about body either. So, I asked dave about it. Dave told me that as she was already booked for me and waiting for me, I should make her sit with me and pay the minimum of 200 rmb when we leave. I totally agreed with dave and asked him that I would like to choose one another girl for me. Now as it was too late not much of choice available. I asked dave as no other girl of my taste available can I leave paying yoyo her 200 rmb and instead go to some souna. Here dave told me that as you were also planned as the fourth guy for sharing this KTV room, you have to share by giving 400 rmb, you go or stay. Now again I thought he was right here so I choose a girl which was around 5 in my scale, & involved in the KTV playin and dancin and all.
Now, a room in clipper was already booked by dave for 270 rmb. Very nice room with breakfast included. I paid 200 rmb to yoyo, 400 to dave for KTV room contribution and took the other girl with me to clipper. What happened here was that after reaching the room the girl started showing too much tiredness, and wants to sleep. Refuses for BJ and acted that she will vomit even if I ask her to try it. Layed down as dead fish. Called dave, and he told me to send back her paying sitting fee of 200 rmb. I did it and at 1am in the night I was sitting alone in my room, without any fuck, already spending 1070 rmb. Ha ha. Now what happened after that, is another story that I visited a souna around 2 am, alone my self and had a wonderfull time there paying 400 rmb, including a room to sleep after I finish. Will post about that and other experiences in oyela souna, fuhao souna, and the other souna under fuhao, and the club scene in Guangzhou shortly. Cheers
SE Asia Joe
10-20-10, 06:48
Three rounds with this girl yoyo? Great. Now, other side of the story. Reached Guangzhou and called dave about the KTV scene and the girl yoyo, after reading some reports about her. Dave, a very nice guy actually, asked me to come around 6. 30, & assured he will pre book yoyo for me. Sadly I was late & reached about 7. 30. We were 4 guys in the room from ISG. Yoyo was there as dave booked her for me as promised. Now .................
Yo Bro!
Believe that we've been in touch with each other previously?
And if so, you're the guy who does do a lot of pre-planning?
And that it also came to nought then?
Sorry if not you - but the point is that the next time, you may want to NOT do so much pre-planning when it comes to the choice of companion. Remember - "one man's meat is...." and as varied and plentiful the scene is in CP, you're much better off just doing your own picking.
Also, Yo-Yo's pre-booking and subsequently being discarded MAY also have set the stage for your experience with the other gal later on. Gals talk with each other and they probably have some choice words for you - and thus your gal's unwillingness to be co-operative.
Like I said, CP's so full of ANY kind of gals ready for the picking that it's probably best to just pick everything yourself. Add to the equation that things changes at the drop of a hat in CP (LE, raids etc) that one should not do too much pre-planning when it comes to these damsels!
Just IMHO of course.
Better luck next one!!
SEAJ
Robertsui321
10-22-10, 20:05
Excellent advice. Made mistake of selecting gal, went for dinner together then back to room felt like sleeping
Hey Prince,
Sorry things did not work out with Yoyo! Even though I won't be sitting her anymore after the last incident, I can still highly recomend her as a KTV Room star, she is alot of fun for 200 rmb, the atmosphere she can bring is pretty good. But each KTV party has a different feel to it. She meshes well with what I want in a KTV room, but not what I want afterwords
Some other tips for KTV.
GET THERE EARLY
GET THERE EARLY
GET THERE EARLY
Even if you just go to pick the girl and let her know your room number and then come back later, thats fine. The girl will wait for you if you tell her when you will be back! Hard to have a girl wait for you if there are none to be picked!
EAT BEFOREHAND!
This is the second time I have had this situation come up. KTV atmosphere is great, everyone is rocking and having a good time, we get hungry, get some food and then the energy level just fucking plummets and we come back and people are singing sappy sad songs and falling asleep instead of rocking out!
A timeline for a good CP day for me would be something like this:
Pozolim from 12-4
Food from 4. 6
Pre Flower street selection 6
Sit in KTV at 7
KTV from 7-?
Leave early enough that you and the girl still have enough energy to pornstar it out in the hotel room.
If you are hungry again, eat AFTER the pop!
This makes sure you are not starving but are also not in a food coma. This also gives you time to make some chit chat with the girl, get her QQ# see if you like her when she's not in KTV mode etc etc. Also gives you a good window to determine if you want to keep her long time or not, as she will likely not turn down food after the pop (unless she doesn't like you and then she will cut and run as soon as she can)
Member #4358
10-24-10, 01:05
I see where you are coming from and I agree with you. It's a business transaction, and in any business transaction you want to make money or create an asset (husband, sugar daddy, etc).
Don't hate the players, hate the game. The WG only promised you sex, not love. If you thought she was genuinely into you and took your money, she plays the game well. Be thankful, because you got a winner. If you fell in love with her, well, like I said before..., don't hate the players, hate the game.I agree with both comments. I feel this is common among Westerners who travel to Asia (Thailand, Philippines, China, etc) and are looking for love in all of the wrong places. I think we are conditioned to think in this way and want to find someone 'special' that we can be with day after day. We want to make the experience more than just a business transaction. Going back to the same girl, day after day, taking her to an island or short trip as your companion, etc.
I think time and experience is the key. With enough experience we begin to see things differently and understand that the West and East are different.
I once remember feeling sad and dejected when a nice lady I had spent time with from a Nana Plaza dance bar was entertaining another customer when I arrived. The mamasan explained that she was not available and I had this disheartened feeling and I went home alone that night. In hindsight it is easy to recognize how silly it was, but at the time it felt very real.
With enough travel and experience I think these feelings fade and we come to better understand that it is a business transaction. Have a good time and enjoy the fact that you can find a new lady each night with no strings or obligation.
As the saying generally goes, 'In Asia you never loose your girl, just your turn'.
Blacklisted
10-24-10, 04:30
I've known Dave for quite a while and last thing I wanna do is get involved in any more of the bullshit that has plagued this board for months!
I just wanna do a favour for the man, because I'm a friend and also satisfied customer, since this is the man's business and you gotta make a living.
No shit, if you want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) about and waste time in CP, don't call Dave. If you want a hassle free, up front understanding of prices and knowledge of the best stuff at the current time (things change super fast), then just call Dave.
Anyone who makes comments otherwise, I'm not going to address here, just want to put my 2 cents in, not get in a fight. Make of it what you will!
I'll say one last thing to newbies in town - just be cool, don't cause problems with the girls etc. if you make a mistake, just recognise it, pay for it, learn from it and move on. Over time, the systems will become clear. It's a lot of mess to clean up if people fuck up.
Best of luck and most of all, have fun.
Thanks Dave for making my trip here awesome. :)
First off - Blacklisted, I hope your choice last night was the right one.... decisions decisions....
Well I had my ride in the Mustang last night -- the now infamous Yoyo.
Truth be known she isn't really my type - - and I found myself eyeing a girl in the KTV last night who eventually passed out, so no trade opportunities there. What a great party - -about 8 of us, hosted by Dave and it was a wild one with topless dancing at the end the icing on the cake, and Yoyo demonstrating her oral skills to whoever got her revved up.
One thing about Mustangs, when you touch the gas they tend to be erratic. She was certainly a wild one - - two great shots at night - - first one a CIM BBBJ in which she then proceeded to wipe the cum and saliva all over her breasts. Definitely PSE.
I do agree that she is definitely NOT a morning person - probably because she parties so hard, but I'm guessin me tapping her for round three at 530 am wasn't her idea of fun either. We waited until 6 and only the prodding that I might take her out again on Tuesday night seemed to awaken the opportunist in her, and she was revved up again.
All in all a great first day - - many thanks to BS Dave for a party - - looking forward to what tonight has in store. Thanks also to SE Joe who provided so many options to getting to CP from Hong Kong Airport - - I won't bore you with my trials and tribulations but needless to say, having Joe's different options allowed me to make changes on the fly when I realized that I had arrived in Terminal 1 and would likely miss a bus departing from Terminal 2 - - and then make changes once I realized that a bunch of the trains to CP from Hung Hom were sold out due to the damn fair traffic. Of to Lohu it was with Express 26 minute train to CP and I arrived in time for Flower Show and good fun.
I actually chose two last night and did a "half Jimmy". Two pops with the young skinny 18 yr old with decent BJ skills ("Tien Tien", contact info on request), and it was back to see Yoyo and finish party.
Needless to say, I am spent, and walked the streets this afternoon thinking through my "enhancement" options, as I overate at the buffet last night and my body is saying no more food for a few days.... I'm sure this will pass....
More reports to come - - I checked out the Sauna downstairs at Hui Hua and they will send girl to room for 300 / 400 / 500... the nurses uniforms were a bit of a turnon, and the rates are not bad as you can use your own room instead of sauna - - -will check BBS's and then decide my options - - thought of pushy mamas in locked BBS's may make me do the sauna routine a little more often.
Til later bros - off to Pozilim to meet the gang for a clean massage and decide tonights plans.
D23
Hey Prince:
Your story reminded me of a few bad nights that I've had as well - but these give cause to reflect....
I too choose for looks but more often than not, I find myself choosing repeat girls for performance. In fact, as days go on, I cannot even remember how they looked - - just the performance.
So it reminds me of when I got a rental car one time in the US - it was a Mustang - - I'm NOT a Mustang type, and certainly not a Yellow Mustang type. However - - took it for a ride and enjoyed the performance. I'd never have rented it on my own - luck just found me in that car. I haven't seen Yoyo (yet), but perhaps despite looks and body, would have been a nice ride.
Coming to town in a few nights and have asked BSD if I do arrive late (730 pm - 800 pm...)- - to pick two girls for me - - I gave him loose descriptions of what I am looking for - sleek car and a Mustang - LOL - - and though I'm hoping not to be late - - if so I may grab one more girl myself (yeah first night - sit three...) and am somewhat looking forward to the surprise.
Just gonna roll with it.
Anyways - an expensive night for a strikeout, but i's a little like Vegas I guess - - what makes it great is that some nights you just clean up !!!
If you in town 23 - 31 - PM me, ok ?
Cheers,
D23
day 2:
starts with my dismissal of yoyo and happy to see her go - - she is definitely a night time girl and the act wears thin by morning.
chill out, walk to starbucks and hang. soon enough 1:00 arrives and the gang meets bsd for a pozilim body massage.
3:30 pm and relaxed after massage and complimentary food and drinks and blacklisted takes me to clipper area bbs. i have to say the pink neon haze of those rooms does nothing for the girls but we both find a gal - mine 18 - and back to the hotel for a pre-ktv pop.
fuhao again on this evening - - i look for the cutie or two that i didn't choose previously. i get two girls with vaguely similar look - - hair up - rhiannon style - -one skinnier with sultry f%ck me face and the other more playful with bigger rack but a little more everywhere.
very calm night though this dice bowl game damn near got my one girl hammered in an hour. i'm exhaused (from yoyo and bbs girl) but cannot decide, so i do another half-jimmy at 9:00 pm - - take bigger racked girl upstairs to room in fuhao hotel for 100 rmb room charge. she's truly embarassed at check in and check out. oops. awesome kisser and decent bj skills. very fair with just a small tuft of hair "down there".. mmmm ... perfect - - -maybe i chose wrong and the skinny gal to take home will be a disappointment ?
500 to rhiannon #1 and finish ktv night dancing with rhiannon girl #2, the skinnier one. back to hotel and she's hungry so we get late dinner.
back to room - - very erotic slow date style evening....where rhiannon #1 and even more so yoyo was a bit of a furious affair, the slower we went, the more this girl got revved up. about as long a bj as i have ever had outside of a sauna - - but again more gfe style and tender vs. a quickie slurpee.
one shot - - a long protracted night and we crash together - - we start morning same way and i am wondering if i should even let go of this girl.... take her number -- some work to be done today, so she is back in the sea.
blacklisted had a real hot one in the room - - hoping she worked out as she is in my black book for later.
another good one - going to start pacing myself before i end up taking the inevitable day or two of full rest...
d23
RajaBetawi
10-25-10, 09:06
hey bros!
been a while since i posted a report here, but the experience i got definitely worth sharing! it is a long read, i am sure you guys going to enjoy it..
i would like to relate my first visit to chang ping and report on services offered to me by freeken from guysong.com, his mobile phone 1342 4764 537
i am a sole traveler, although i have some chinese heritage, i cannot speak chinese at all beyon the usual "tuo sau" heck i don't even know the word for left and right, and barely remember how to say "zhi so cai na? " or something like that. okay, i actually can understand a bit more when were spoken to, but i can't easily made myself understood. also, i admit that i did not go out on leisure much and most of my experiences are done overseas with different stype of services. so bear with me as i relate my after reports.
even though i am a member here for a long time, i did not post much because i do not go out much. browsing on web sites looking for some indications on how to find leisure, i happened to the ********forum and took the initiative to contact ken. right away, under my request ken arranged for my accommodation at miraton, he sms to me the name of the hotel in chinese so i can show it to the taxi drivers (well ken did offer to send a car for me but i refuse at the time. heck i did not know him at all at the time, so how would i know if he won't send somewhere bad?)
as i arrived, i called ken and were told that he have an office in miraton, so, great. lets see him. i went down to 1st floor and sort of wandering around looking for the office, then at a likely place, i entered. inside, there are a few people in computer and a bunch of girls sitting in sofa. i am not sure what i expect but whatever it is the atmosphere is like a regular travel agent.
well anyhow, to cut the story short, ken who were waiting for me there, explained that his services are free to the punters, he get his fees from the places he booked the guests to. thats great methinks, but i admit i was a little skeptical as to what kind of services are free. being from society that believe in tanstafl, free usually means lower quality, i have my back up plan planned before i went there, i have a map of changping city with saunas lists marked just in case.
ok, ken told me that there is another bro going to meibao sauna and introduced me to xiao ho (sound like that), his assistant who will drive us there. the drive there is to put it lightly, interesting. small alleys, blind turns, and at some occasions look like passing through someone's backyard. damn, i think, how in the world would i get back? so i sorta tried to communicate with the xiao ho, and i sorta understand that he said someone from the sauna will drive me back. but how and who should ask for this? ah nevermind. i can get a taxi in newyork, here is ok too. the most the taxi can charge me is less than rmb100 so heck. just relax, i told myself.
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act 1 (4pm. 6pm) meibao sauna
as we arrived, xiao ho took us into the side passage of some building, go upstair, go behind a fire exit, into a courtyard, walk up a couple filghts of stairs, pass through many right angled corridors and right smack into a waiting room. holly smokes!
there are a few other punters around apparently waiting for a "showing", i was offered a cola and were asked to sit for a while.
"clikety clacks clicks clacks. " some 30 or so girls walked into the room and sit opposite us. xiao ho starts to explain to me the prices for the girls, and encouraged me to stand up and view them closer. really a sheep market style. i am sorta embarrased because i am not used to this. anyhow, looking at the selections, it looked as the prices are linked to how tall the girls are. um. i don't care much about height of the girls, where i came from most of girls are tall anyway. i ws tossing to pick #100 because she look nice, but. i spotted a gem tucked away in the corner, she did not even get a space in the sofas and have to sort of kneel there. she looks much like the girl next door type and have a certain soft look that i liked. i mentioned to xiao ho that she looks fine, immediately he (xiao ho) barked out "you in the corner! stand up" um, there is a movie by stallone called "assassin" where the bad guy used to say" thats not how you talk to a lady" and exactly thats what i think. but, stand she did and i can confirm then that she is indeed attractive to me.
her number is 315 it would costs about rmb 568 for a couple of hours of access to her personal spaces. ok, done. out of the corner of my eyes, i see xiao ho talked to a girls to arrange for a car to send me back to my hotel. wow, no reminders required. nice.
the room in meibao is large, the bed in the room came with steel bed posts. ieeee-interesting. there is a large shower area with a bed inside plus the usual commodes. the girl ask if i want to bath, you bet i do. been walking in the heat all day i stink thus started a very pleasurable bath that last almost 45 minutes including atleast 15mins of bbbj. the bed is apparently a water bed! wowser! with plastic cover on top of it, its slippery as.
afterwards in the dry bed, she proceed by giving me the usual messages, the weird water sucking thingy, more bbbj and finishing in cow girl position. bros, i am not into deeply describing the happenings with me in the room, but ya have to try them!
afterwards, she took me out to the cashier, i paid the cashier the money and they immediately gave the girl rmb 300. the service girl that xiao ho talked to before were there waiting for me and she took me down to the parking area and pass me to a driver who drove me back to the hotel. all in all a tame and most pleasant experience!
here is the verdict.
girl #315 i think she say she is from hunan she have a soft see cup with innie teats. ohh yeah. love digging them out. face 7 / 10 service 7 / 10 plenty bbbj and ball jobs, but no rimming visit again? maybe if i can find the way. damn, the place is hard to get to. i definitely cannot find my way there without a guide.
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act 2 (6. 30 pm. 9. 00 pm) bbs girl as soon as i got back, i went to ken's office again raring to try another sample of different experience. i told ken that i would like to try both bbs and another sauna with a different kind of service feel.
ken suggested that i go to try bbs first, i think it is because the good ones will soon be taken up and also if i like the girl and wish to do long time, i can have a longer go with her due to the fact that the night is young. so again xiao ho took me to this alleyway, a few old ladies talked (no, shouted) to him and one of them took us to a building with steel door. like jail. she unlock the door and there are some 15 or so girls doing whatever, from sititng playing mah jong to slumping in sofas watching tv. the lady claps her hands and shouted something in cantonese and all the girls jumped up. i was then led to a room and the girls trooped in in various street dresses. well now. how do you choose? so many nice things. so little time. i was looking around and the lady starts pointing to the girls and telling me that she sucks heheh. while she is exhorting the qualtiies of the various girls, i set my eye on one with big tities. the lady caught my eye and well. starts her spiel about how good she sucks, complete with pantonime of bj in progress. okay. lets take her. i got to pay her mommy right away rmb 200 and all the way from the house to the car she screamed (talked really loudly) to the girls to give me the best service etc etc. (damn, didn't this people know how to talk in low volume? they have two setting, loud and louder)
took the girl back to my room and do the nasties. well, yeah, whilst she is enthusiastic in her services, the sauna girls are better trained. one thing to remark is that she does something i like a lot, she uses her huge tts to slap into my little bro for about 2 minutes. ohh yeah.
here is the verdict:
girl ching ching (or somehting like that) i asked for and got her phone number so if i wish a repeat, just call her. she told me she is from sechwan. he got huge dd cup with slim 5mm or so nipples that poke out from a large areole. her face rate 6 / 10 and her service rate about 6 / 10 (i like her slapping stuff) bbbj ok, but need ore tutelage. damages rmb 200
oh, and because xiao ho does not get any cut from the mommy, i give the man rmb 20
ok now i have tried the bargain basement stuff. that builds up my courage and confidence with ken's services. so. next!
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act 3 (9. 30 pm. 11. 30 pm) huihua
after 30 minutes rest, i rang ken and tell him that i am ready to go for my next experience. ken told me he will wait in lobby and accompany me to see the latest talents in hui hua.
huihua hotel is just next door to miraton, so we walked there, got into the sauna and were shown into a room. i did not know that xiao ho already told the manager that i wish for best service girl. so, as soon as i got in, there walked in a very nice, pretty girl that wear some pink coverall. the manager closed the door and she opened the coveral, inside she wore fishnet type stuff and she do a pirouette you can see that the goodies she displayed are indeed real, (some girl wear padded bra and as soon as she shed them, you get disappointed with sizes or firmness) i was told that she is the best in rmb 400 range.
oh yeah, i am doing my best immitation of being disinterested and asked to see more talents. i was then shown the "model" range which imho, no where near the quality of the first girl. then the next batch were produced and that made up my mind. i asked for the first girl. boy did i hit a jackpot or what. she has a really bubbly personality and huge eyes that well, appealing to me.
she shows me the service lists (i notice that the girl in meibao did not show me anything) and after she believe that i infact cannot read chinese, she called the name and explained each and every service just before she starts with it. some of these services have really funny name (like "little mouse goes fishing")
after my two earlier cheongs, naturally, i get to be really slow to reach my peak. boy oh boy, she really try hard. her body got really sweaty after the 30 minutes or so non stop movements, pecking, sucking, squatting, you name it she did it. i imagine this girl does not attaing the "model" status because she is short, otherwise, wow baby! definitely worth revisit!
here, you pay the girl in the room and then you pay for the room outside in the cashier.
here is the verdict: #605 name: xi aa (damn how do you spell these names?) i am sure she told me she is from hunan she got a nice firm handful the cup and huge eyes that reminds me of japanese manga girls at about 155 cm, she is a good bit shorter than my shoulder. look: 8 / 10 i am a sucker for big saucer sized eyes. services: 9 / 10 (no one has score 10 from me) she is very vivacious, almost like a mouse on speed. she call the name of every service in the card and explain what it is before doing it to me. she exudes a general good feeling that really appeals to me.
visit again? you bet! wild horses could not drive me away!
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day 2, i was called early morning to go to shenzhen due to some problem and i have to go to the station. i asked ken if xiao ho can give me a lift to the station. no problem.
during the meeting on the day, about 2pm, xi aa (the girl from hui hua) called me and ask if i am going to go out with her. argh. i am in a business meeting and have to talk leisure i say i'll call her later. around 5pm, again she rang, i reject the call, but she ring again, so, after i excused myself, i went out and tell he that i am in a meeting, and will call her as soon as i can. the meeting went overtime and i did not get back to changping until 7pm. naturally, being a clod i am, i forgot to call xi aa. instead i get to ken's office and ask for the next experience.
- act 4 (day 2 8. 10pm) hui mei ken told me that maybe i should try hui mei, again xiao ho drives me there (just across the road from miraton) up in the room, i was shown a few batches of girls of various prices. well, i again do the tried and proven method, and ask for the best service. the manager said something like, "ah, why did not you say so earlier" xiao ho say yeah thats the usually the best way to get good service, while we want them to be pretty, we are not looking for a wife so who cares how they look. its not like we can see their face as they stick their tongue into our assholes.
anyway, i was again given a tiny short girl that look a little fragile. she is so tiny mousy that i feel somewhere in between want to protect her and the dark feel of wanting to smash her. gah.
she starts with a perfunctionary shower / wash, then dries then to bed. bbbj and standard cow girl postion. while it is a pleasant experience, i thought, is this it? the best service this place can provide? well. the fun has just begin! there is a funny chair in the shower, with two cushion for your buttocks and empty in the middle. she sat me there and starts watering me up, soaping, and squirted up almost halft a tube of toothpaste on top of my didi. as she rub the toothpaste around my didi, balls and asshole, it is a strange but pleasant hot and cool minty feeling all around. she then concentrates on to my asshole and i swear she dig into me with her finger! well, now i am no longer a virgin the reason for this extra depth cleaning shows up afterwards in the bed when she places her tongue all over me. finishing up with another shot.
yeah, it is a pleasant experience.
here is the verdict:
girl number. i forgot. i just asked for the best service she is tiny with maybe a small b cup face 7 / 10 service 8 / 10 i still prefer the energetic xi aa from hui hwa. damages 200 for the room which must be paid in front to the manager guy and 300 for the girl
as an aside, xi aa sms me again during the tongue in the brown eye season, and i found out afterwards that she says to me she did not work today and she ask if i would take her out. well girl ya have to learn to text me in english
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act 5 (11pm. 2am) xi aa in hotel room.
well, after i was done with the little girl in hui mei, i look into my phone and saw chinese text sms to me from xi aa so, i call her and we decide that she will came to my room at about 11pm. came she did. and without makeup on her face, which incidently i prefer her natural look more than the made up look. she came up and got on qq with the courtesy computer in my room. she shows me the pictures of her family, home and dogs. many many dogs. again she described what she wrote to her friends, and one particular guy were messanging her from taiwan talking about a visit. so on a hunch, i starts to type in english to him. well. that is hillarious! the guy is flabbergasted!
after about 30 minutes of qq she turn off the computer and say up, go to the shower with me. she wash me as i was in the sauna, doing all things as energetic as she was the day before. we do the nasties, and again i was serviced as good as i get in the sauna the day before, then she left about 2am, she wishes to stay but because i cannot sleep with someone in my bed, and i am cranky if i do not have at least a few hours sleep, i sorta kicked her out my bad!
all during the episode we never talked about the price for her to came. at the end i just gave her rmb 700, which i heard to be a long time rate for average overnight service.
man, i feel bad to kick her out like that, but i have to work early the next day. oh well. work came first.
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i checked out from the hotel the next day to go to another one nearby to the canton fair. i will resume the experience after the fair.
as an aside, i highly recommend services from ken to anyone who happen to visit chang ping dongguan. ken delivers what he promised and his assistant is understanding and patient with my fumbles in the language. for a free service, it is a great service indeed! i will definitely return for more in the near future.
There is a reason that Fuhao KTV is well written on the board. One trip to Manhatten KTV is all that is needed to reinforce what a great party place this is.
Day 3 certainly wasn't a washout, but next time we will all heed advise I think and keep going to the places that rock, regardless of how many times (though Mayflower does need to be on the books at least once for my trip...).
Day starts with me excusing skinny Rhiannon (Bing Bing) who is playing on my mind again. Sweet and good performance in a very subtle package. Dang I wish I kept my Mandarin up over past year - -one year no studies and I am social misfit with these girls, frustrating the chatty ones - - especially becasue I do understand some of what they say.
Off the Shenzhen for some work - back in time for quick trip to BBS and real quickie takeout - - this one fresh (so she says) - 1 month in business and her soft attitude seems to tell be this is true. Amazing rack and quickie - she wonders why the rush - cos I have KTV lineup to get to !!
Manhatten for 7:00 - a ghost town - - floors dirty - boy things can go downhill fast cos I had great time there last year with probably twice the number of girls. Maybe just spoiled by Fuhao.
I walk the lines literally 8 times and cannot find a girl that I really really like - - finally I start to settle and give about 6 girls my quick interview - in progressive questions via my Jibbigo-Zh ipod translation app:
1) do you like to kiss ?
2) if I take you short time will you make love two times ?
3) if I take you long time will you make love three times ?
4) will you kiss my little brother a lot and swallow it a lot ?
Jibbigo app bleeps out the bad words so you have to be creative.
Yes, agreed, they are direct questions, but this is a transaction and I'm not there to find the next Diana Ross singer.
At Fuhao - - they were troopers - - almost all were good -- maybe the odd one had an issue with maybe a single issue - -but troopers - -and probably suspected that I'm way past making points 2) and 3) a reality ...
At Manhatten - I damn near scared them all away. It reminded me of the so-so experience I had found from KTV experiences before and made previous two nights that much more memorable.
Finally found a girl who I liked and who said no at first to my requests but on second thought realized I was her best shot as it was that quiet. On to a mellow night of singing and usual (for Manhatten) parade of mommies toasting and playing dice games and chowing down. A reasonable night financially but cannot compare the nights- - of course 8 people in room plus 16 party girls and rockin' tunes does tend to create atmosphere. What was interesting was that Yoyo was reserved and came along - - and really changed her look - straight hair and black cocktail dress - - I barely recognized her .... and even she was mellowed by Manhatten's atmozzzzzzphere.
My texts during day to Rhiannon (La LA) begin to bear fruit at about 10:00... I guess i am HER backup plan, LOL. Some texting courtesy of BSDave who even sorts out for me when I gave her the wrong room number and she shows up at 11:00 pm with some soup for me. I wanna dance - - eat - get fired up -something !! but she has eaten and not really want to go clubbing. We go to Pozilim for a his&hers massage (clean) and chill til 1:30 am - - she's feeling spoiled and we are both ready for action.
Back to room and my choices of lingerie for her to wear (best $50 bucks I ever spent at TJ Max in USA for a drawer full before coming here) leaves her shy... she is the shy type.... Not really into the toys but tries this nifty little small U-shaped G-Spot vibrator that fits snug, that she liked enough to explain "they don't have this one in China... LOL).
Anyways - great session and off to sleep until 8:00 am when we do round 2. She got chatty late at night and I forgot to get my translation software out so she decided to give me massage to pay me back for taking her for such nice massage.
On to Day 4 - - check my Budget - overspent on half-Jimmy's and crap from Lohu Shopping Centre so will dial back a little bit - - that's ok since my days of 5 pops in 24 hours expired like Cinderella at midnight.
Met up with BSDave and the gang downstairs for Dim Sum - - and at risk of utter humiliation I do have to admit that before meeting SE Joe I had thought that maybe he was a mid-twenties Swedish Blonde. Truth known I thought he would be maybe early-thirties Swedish Blonde. LOL. Great lunch - - great bunch of Bros from the Board and plan tonight. Party time !
Apologies for long long post - - I figure the board has been quiet lately (besides that fake long post just between mine from some self-promoter...) so I figured I would give the full story.
D23
Just Seven
10-26-10, 11:37
Will be in CP again this coming weekend. After finding out how easily accessible it is for me, I am finding myself excuses to come visit more often!
Only my bank account is upset by this!
Alright, am I missing something here? Seajoe is NOT a 26 year old blonde haired swede with the body of Adonias? You mean I've been tricked by him all these years?
Met up with BSDave and the gang downstairs for Dim Sum - - and at risk of utter humiliation I do have to admit that before meeting SE Joe I had thought that maybe he was a mid-twenties Swedish Blonde. Truth known I thought he would be maybe early-thirties Swedish Blonde. LOL. Great lunch - - great bunch of Bros from the Board and plan tonight. Party time !
D23
SE Asia Joe
10-27-10, 02:09
Alright, am I missing something here? Seajoe is NOT a 26 year old blonde haired swede with the body of Adonias? You mean I've been tricked by him all these years?
Ok Ok Ok!
Give and take a few years - typical of you to quible about this!
SEAJ
SEAJOE,
Look here young man! Now when you are my age, being 55 years old versus 59 is not that big of a difference, but when you claim to be 26 years old but you are actually 30 years old, that makes a much bigger difference.
But considering that you are a integral part of this board, offering countless stories of adventure and victories in the mongering field, I'll let this one slide.
I'm wondering right now....are HK mongers really pissed off at the US, forcing China to appreciate it's currency, thus making it ever-so-increasingly difficult to have a good time in China when their HK dollars are worth less and less every year?
Trust me..in a few years guys like me coming over there from the States are going to have to start rationing their money...the greenback just isn't worth as much as it use to back in the days when you could get 8.29 RMB per US dollars.
AsnDragon
Ok Ok Ok!
Give and take a few years - typical of you to quible about this!
SEAJ
I'll say one last thing to newbies in town - just be cool, don't cause problems with the girls etc. if you make a mistake, just recognise it, pay for it, learn from it and move on. Over time, the systems will become clear. It's a lot of mess to clean up if people fuck up.
Thanks Dave for making my trip here awesome. :)
A lot of things could be avoided if guys realize that they are GUESTS in China and not take things for granted. Of course, to avoid many cultural or practical mistakes, it's best to hang out with people who are in the know-how with both cultures. Someone who has extensive experience in the West and hands-on experience in the East. People like BSDave and SEAJ and other good ISG vets are examples.
A lot of advice can be given by BSDave to avoid "paying for mistakes." But true to form, making your own mistakes and learning from them is much more effective than going pissy-violent when things don't go one's way.
Be cool and let things slide if it's only money. I mean, that's what the forums are here for, for you to vent your frustrations or questions. But with the girls, it's best to keep your composure and let those in the know-how assist in solving the situation.
SE Asia Joe
10-27-10, 09:12
A lot of things could be avoided if guys realize that they are GUESTS in China and not take things for granted. Of course, to avoid many cultural or practical mistakes, it's best to hang out with people who are in the know-how with both cultures. Someone who has extensive experience in the West and hands-on experience in the East. People like BSDave and SEAJ and other good ISG vets are examples.
A lot of advice can be given by BSDave to avoid "paying for mistakes." But true to form, making your own mistakes and learning from them is much more effective than going pissy-violent when things don't go one's way.
Be cool and let things slide if it's only money. I mean, that's what the forums are here for, for you to vent your frustrations or questions. But with the girls, it's best to keep your composure and let those in the know-how assist in solving the situation.
Couldn't agree more with you!
But there ARE things that happens in China when the lesson learned is worth so much less than the problems/real damage one suffers "learning" this lesson. These kinds of mistakes one can never afford to make and is best to be avoided by doing RTFF and to, like you say "...it's best to hang out with people who are in the know-how with both cultures....."
I will let BS Dave relay to you what happened last night - and all I can say is Thank goodness Dave was around/involved.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-27-10, 09:27
SEAJOE,
Look here young man! Now when you are my age, being 55 years old versus 59 is not that big of a difference, but when you claim to be 26 years old but you are actually 30 years old, that makes a much bigger difference.
But considering that you are a integral part of this board, offering countless stories of adventure and victories in the mongering field, I'll let this one slide.
I'm wondering right now....are HK mongers really pissed off at the US, forcing China to appreciate it's currency, thus making it ever-so-increasingly difficult to have a good time in China when their HK dollars are worth less and less every year?
Trust me..in a few years guys like me coming over there from the States are going to have to start rationing their money...the greenback just isn't worth as much as it use to back in the days when you could get 8.29 RMB per US dollars.
AsnDragon
WOT?? You mean you're 59? My goodness - it certainly doesn't show it!!
I mean, at 59, you should be a crinkly wrinkled old man - I guess its all that Gym and sports you do; Funny that I first met you in CP at that gym of all places!! I mean...Gym??? CP?? LOL! How Gay!
And yes, of course it sucks.... this Yuan re-valuation. You guys from overseas probably don't mind it as much as we from Hong Kong do; I mean, for you guys, you've already spent all that money coming over - so what's a few dollars more to really enjoy yourself?! And as high as prices are in the "western counties" for our hobby, it still is all a bargain in China.
But for us from Hong Kong who comes quite regularly AND comparatively more often - it really makes a big difference. Think about it, for what we used to pay for 5 pops, we now barely get 4! And if one used to average, say, 20 pops a month, we now have to make do with 16!! And I think that most of you know that a figure of 20/month is probably a conservative figure - as much as we always pig it out in CP!!
Oh well, the more expensive something is, the more precious it gets!
SEAJ
Pointpanic
10-27-10, 13:34
Wow its wonderful to hear this great discourse by Joe and AsnDragon especially coming right after a note from BruceTea on the board. I guess I just got to get back to CP so I hope to see some of you the evening of the 9th to the 14th. I may be tied up with clients and some work but I am sure to get free to hang with any of you. Wish I could go shopping with Santa! AsnDragon thanks for all the recent hospitality. I love hanging with old geezers! I may be back in your vicinity on the 16th.
Pointpanic
WOT?? You mean you're 59? My goodness - it certainly doesn't show it!!
I mean, at 59, you should be a crinkly wrinkled old man - I guess its all that Gym and sports you do; Funny that I first met you in CP at that gym of all places!! I mean...Gym??? CP?? LOL! How Gay!
And yes, of course it sucks.... this Yuan re-valuation. You guys from overseas probably don't mind it as much as we from Hong Kong do; I mean, for you guys, you've already spent all that money coming over - so what's a few dollars more to really enjoy yourself?! And as high as prices are in the "western counties" for our hobby, it still is all a bargain in China.
But for us from Hong Kong who comes quite regularly AND comparatively more often - it really makes a big difference. Think about it, for what we used to pay for 5 pops, we now barely get 4! And if one used to average, say, 20 pops a month, we now have to make do with 16!! And I think that most of you know that a figure of 20/month is probably a conservative figure - as much as we always pig it out in CP!!
Oh well, the more expensive something is, the more precious it gets!
SEAJ
Yeah go karting was good fun. Sorry for crashing into everyone. Haha. You guys had it out for me on the second round.
Anyways, what's "edge"?? An app? Where do I get it? Any translating without wi fi is a winner. I have a Chinese translator dictionary that you don't need wi fi, it only does words or phrases. But the one that needs wi fi can translate sentences and powerful enough to translate paragraphs.
Translation Options:
KT dict: No wifi/edge/3g needed can translate single words... simply a dictionary though. Very fast I always use this.
Free version:
Paid version $2.99? allows you to store words to study later.
DianHua dictonary: also no wifi/edge/3g needed, dictionary only but can buy an audio module that will speak words - my opinion is that it is too slow...
Free version; dictionaryonly
Audio addon: $2.99
Sentence Translation:
ChinaTalk: Can paste and translate English to chinese and chinese to English.
Has copy and paste to/from clipboard buttons for easy use with SMS/Text messages. uses babelfish (yahoo) OR google translate engines. Must have wifi/edge/3G
Does Pinyin, and reverse translation...so you know if it is correct.
$0.99
Transmate $2.99
Can translate from many different languages, uses google translate engine.
Only translate to chinese characters... risk not knowing what you typed...
What happened here was that after reaching the room the girl started showing too much tiredness, and wants to sleep. Refuses for BJ and acted that she will vomit even if I ask her to try it. Layed down as dead fish. Called dave, and he told me to send back her paying sitting fee of 200 rmb. I did it and at 1am in the night I was sitting alone in my room, without any fuck, already spending 1070 rmb. Ha ha. Now what happened after that, is another story that I visited a souna around 2 am, alone my self and had a wonderfull time there paying 400 rmb, including a room to sleep after I finish. Will post about that and other experiences in oyela souna, fuhao souna, and the other souna under fuhao, and the club scene in Guangzhou shortly. Cheers
That is always the gamble. Actually I sat yoyo as well (dave prebooked her for me) and she was fun in the ktv room. and was alot of fun back in the room, total oral fixation. However, another brother's girl had passed out and he got yoyo a bit drunk, she was fine when vertical but passed out during sex. sent her home short time and she was overly apologetic. but i wasn't paying a passed out girl and she didn't argue with the 500. definitely a gamble. I have had worse nights at ktv when neither girl seemed good, you roll the dice and that is why that first 10 minutes is a good time to figure out if they will be good for you. as for too drunk? well that happens. hell i have gotten too drunk and only kept the girl for the morning fun.
SEAJoe,
I couldn't agree with you more. It is certainly very gay to bump into you in the gym. Next time, please don't wear such tight spandex shorts to work out ok? I know you have a large penis and want to make us older guys feel a bit uncomfortable. Besides, why do you need to work out anyways? You're only 29-30?
There was once a time, only a mere 5 years ago when you gave a girl in China HK dollars to settle the bill instead of the RMB and they were very obliged to accept the HK dollar. Nowadays, you give them HK dollar and they give you this look as if you gave them monopoly money.
Advice on hoe to cope with this RMB appreciation?
1. You could always just do less pops with girls.Put "Mr. Palm-er" a.k.a the right hand to good use. That's our favorite thing to do when we are stranded in the States and there's no available young girls around.
2. You could just flex your 6 pack abs at the pedestrian out door walkway trip mall and I'm sure tons of girls will be flocking to you for free.
Let's just hope that the RMB does not keep on appreciating further down to 5:1 USD or even 4:1 USD in the next 4-5 years.
AsnDragon
WOT?? You mean you're 59? My goodness - it certainly doesn't show it!!
I mean, at 59, you should be a crinkly wrinkled old man - I guess its all that Gym and sports you do; Funny that I first met you in CP at that gym of all places!! I mean...Gym??? CP?? LOL! How Gay!
And yes, of course it sucks.... this Yuan re-valuation. You guys from overseas probably don't mind it as much as we from Hong Kong do; I mean, for you guys, you've already spent all that money coming over - so what's a few dollars more to really enjoy yourself?! And as high as prices are in the "western counties" for our hobby, it still is all a bargain in China.
But for us from Hong Kong who comes quite regularly AND comparatively more often - it really makes a big difference. Think about it, for what we used to pay for 5 pops, we now barely get 4! And if one used to average, say, 20 pops a month, we now have to make do with 16!! And I think that most of you know that a figure of 20/month is probably a conservative figure - as much as we always pig it out in CP!!
Oh well, the more expensive something is, the more precious it gets!
SEAJ
Point,
It was great to meet up with you. Thanks for your gift by the way. I'm surprised that young lads like you don't mind hanging out with old geezers like me. Hanging out with young fellows like you makes me feel young again. Makes me nostalgic of the how it was like for me back in the days when I was younger.
Getting back to CP is a must, the question is more of how many times can you go there a year. Too bad the catacombs are all cleaned out now, I guess we won't be able to experience that enjoyable atmosphere anymore. How sad. I guess good things never last.
Have fun in CP Point! Live it up!
AsnDragon
Wow its wonderful to hear this great discourse by Joe and AsnDragon especially coming right after a note from BruceTea on the board. I guess I just got to get back to CP so I hope to see some of you the evening of the 9th to the 14th. I may be tied up with clients and some work but I am sure to get free to hang with any of you. Wish I could go shopping with Santa! AsnDragon thanks for all the recent hospitality. I love hanging with old geezers! I may be back in your vicinity on the 16th.
Pointpanic
Freepeaks,
I have a funny story of one of my friend in CP striking out. We go off to the KTV, this was a good 4 years ago, and he picks a girl who claimed that she would go out with him that evening. Later one when we were about to leave the KTV, she made up an excuse that her period just came and would spend the night with him but they wouldn't be able to have any action. My friend is pissed, who the hell would want to pay overnight with a girl and not be able to do anything with her? He leaves frustrated.
He later decides to get his "frustrations" taken care of at a sauna. That Friday was crazily busy, the tomb sweeping long weekend. Hoards of HK Mongers came over to China as if it was a stampede. He went to two saunas and the lobby and waiting area was full of guys waiting just to get a room. He gave up and left and decided the next stop was....the Night Market!
arriving at the night market, he sees polize lights flashing...there was a raid and all the girls were either hiding in the rooms and or some of the girls were in the police car vans. He quickly left and went back to his hotel room. He then decides to call a regular...
All of his regular girls are all busy because it's a Friday evening.
This guy is so frustrated and horny he had to take care of it with his right hand a.k.a Mr. Palm-er. When he told me the story I could only shake my head...traveling this far, in a place like CP, needing to masturbate is almost like a sin. But sometimes...we just have bad luck and when you strike out you really strike out all night.
AsnDragon
That is always the gamble. Actually I sat yoyo as well (dave prebooked her for me) and she was fun in the ktv room. and was alot of fun back in the room, total oral fixation. However, another brother's girl had passed out and he got yoyo a bit drunk, she was fine when vertical but passed out during sex. sent her home short time and she was overly apologetic. but i wasn't paying a passed out girl and she didn't argue with the 500. definitely a gamble. I have had worse nights at ktv when neither girl seemed good, you roll the dice and that is why that first 10 minutes is a good time to figure out if they will be good for you. as for too drunk? well that happens. hell i have gotten too drunk and only kept the girl for the morning fun.
Hi to all - I'll be back in CP next saturday and staying at the Miraton. Any other monger staying there ? There'll be 2 of us eager for BBS, sauna, footie and the occasional KTV.
Haven't had the courage to RTFF but I heard the nightmarket was gone, along with the catacombs ? These were the pits but the night market, that would be a pity, quite a few jewels there.
I just read about the 6hrs deal at the karting place. Didn't know about the place but count us in if anybody wants to organize a group some time next week.
Jettsetter
10-28-10, 03:28
Okay boys, there's a recent incident that involves someone we know PERSONALLY...
Basically it's the same story that we've heard before, but I think with time, people forget that CP still CAN be dangerous but you can avoid the danger by being smart.
Basically guy is looking for some action, goes alone, (mistake number one), follows tout into an unfamiliar place (mistake number two), goes into an apartmnet complex (mistake number three - as most BBS's are run in commercial type of buildings - not in apartments).
What happens next? Classic ISG story we've seen before. Led into room, jump, tied up, money stolen. Cards and room keys accessed with threats of additional violence (yes he's already been beaten by that time) if he doens't give up his room number, safe number and pin numbers for cards (the guy thinks they will actually kill him).
Okay, here's the value of BSD's services. And I am not saying this because I like the guy, which I do, but I'm saying this because this really happened. I was playing basketball with BSD when he got the phone call...
So this guy who got jumped, was here in CP with a friend (thank god). The friend was smart enough to know something wasn't right because his buddy had said he'd be right back and didn't come back (good buddy system). HIs friend told the hotel to cancel the guys' room key, and be on the look out for anybody accessing his friend's room.
Lo and behold, someone actually tried to (two girls), and hotel staff alerted the friend who then alerted Dave. Dave immediately dropped everything and went over. They apprehended one of the girls, the second girl got away somehow, and Dave put the full court press on the girl basically making a deal with her that she gets the guy on the phone and lets him go, they'll let her go.
I'll leave BSD or others to say the details of what happened later, BUT I have to say the guy is VERY lucky to have both his buddy who had street smarts to know something was up and Dave, who knew how to handle the situation to make sure that the guy was freed and let go (after speaking with Dave, the criminals were so scared they gave him back everything except some money which the OTHER girl had withdrawn)... Please note, it's not like BSD was these guys' personal tour guide. This guy spoke chinese, could get around fine by himself, and didn't need a guide... Dave basically spent that entire day and most of the next day dealing with this situation (investigation, etc.) because he's a good guy. He actually cares and it was very obvious in this situation. Anyways, I just want people to realize what an asset he is to guys like us here...
Moral of this story...
BE SMART about mongering. Go with friends, or go with people you trust. If you're not sure, don't go... I Remember a few years back, my friend and I were looking on the MAIN STREET for girls. A woman said I have a place here ,just follow me... she led us through a few minutes of who knows where ,when we just got this weird feeling and just said, forget it. Who knows whether it was legit or not, but it just didn't feel right...
I think taht you can get jacked even with two guys. three and i think it's tougher...
Stick to the usual spots... if you don't know enough to know where the "usual spots are" then get someone to help who knows OR don't go... Saunas and KTV's are sure fire ones... or if you want, get a mommy card from the street and have her SEND girls up to your room. Sure the selection may be thinned ,but it's much safer!!
Look, this could happen to anyone, and I've been here for a long time now with no incident... however, all it takes is one...
Brothers... we have been having a great time... just make sure you play smart. the extra few costs here to go to something more established is worth it... or pay a few more sheckles and get someone to take you that knows and is experienced.
All in All, this shouldn't detract people from coming, but it should certainly get people more aware of the dangers. This isn't disneyland, but this certainly isn't south central... it's very safe for the most part, but crime DOES exist...
Be safe...
-Jett
day 4 and back at ktv with jetsetter and his buddies. great group and room full with about 8 guys and 16 women. i choose bing bing (skinny rhiannon) and hot blonde that seemed fun when she was with blacklisted. she knew however, that she was second fiddle when she saw bing bing and i dancing closely so i paid her 200 to spring her early - i should have had her change first - she is one of those girls that looks soooo much better in street clothes with hig hugging jeans.
jetsetter has an arsenal of drinking games and the party gets rockin' pretty early - - so much so that my bing bing is passed out at 10:30. she only comes to when the opportunist in her realizes that i am hitting on one of the other girls in the room that one of the bros had decided to pass on.
early exit with now awakened bing bing but she has a headache - i'm a little drunk still as wel as hungry, so off to pozilim for 2 hour massage and food. re-energized, we have a blast together in the room which is muted only by me noticing she has a cold sore developing on lip. on goes the shower cap for didi and bing bing is fading from my top 2 list. she stays the night - - she must be not feeling well with slight cough and not so keen on even covered bj. have a great day - - we'll see you in fuhao lineup tomorrow.
day 5 - bsdave tied up sorting through the crazy events of the previous day, a post from him coming soon, i am sure, with all the warnings and hopefully the stern "we should all know better" message. evening comes -- where the heck do the days go ??? - - and jetsetter has idea for dinner and california red with another mate and our girls. problem is -- i gotta find a girl ! using jiggibo and qq translator i try to call the girls i have hit on in previous nights ktv but they are making excuses and/or do not understand. i get bsdave involved only to realize they do understand - - i've been rejected.... sigh....
time ticks so i race off to fu hao to work a takeout - - i'm sure by now there are a few cuties that i can work something with. run into the girl who had rejected me and we chat and flirt for what seems like ages... she thinks my big nose means big dick and wants no part of it. she is really a fun girl - - a blast in the room and i love her fiery attitude - jetsetter's dice games exposed the personalities of all the girls. not sure if i negotiated for the future but i am thinking maybe - - even if i get her to room with little chance to takeout, i will try my charms on her with a good standby as girl #2 just in case.
finally grab a girl - - - this one helen - - great rack, bit of a chunky butt but great attitude and speaks some english ! tell her to get changed we leave now, i am not at ktv and she clears with mommie who seemed ok with it.
quick dinner of noodles (will see those later !!) and off to room for great session before california red. glad i had this great session since things would change. rockin' nite at california red -- more dice games, and helen - - who had sworn to me she hates to drink - -was plowing down the drinks, even taking mine sometimes when i lost the roll. uh oh. she's seemingly fine when we leave, but at the room, she starts spinning. i cannot believe my bed is not filled with puke - it was that close. thank god those wastebaskets have plastic bag liners - - i was going back and forth emptying the wb into the toilet., trying not to gag on the barely digested noodles. uggh.
we clean her up and i release her - - she is grateful to get out as well, and i pay her the 500 st plus some taxi money. except now i have blueish balls.
down to sauna i go, (at hui hua) thinking, dang i was going to spend 800 on helen - - spent 500 so that is 300 towards my sauna. choose 109 and get down to business.
one of the worst sauna experiences ever. she used the checklist like i use my chinses dictionary. catbath slurpee thingee had coolish almost cold water and bbbj was more of a handjob and she shot my load all over my chest. if that wasn't bad enough she spent minutes 50 - 65 trying to get me to commit to get her in my room tomorrow night. i'm polite at first then say - wtf i wanna feel good not frikkin' chit chat but she doesn't get message until i finally get up and say - - enough - i'm calling mommie i'm outta here. i back down - - i can't do that to a girl no matter how crummy the service is and she realizes that i probably do have another shot in me - - i had thought and read that their job was to work that second shot out of you !! my fault all in all - - i came down there late - - chose after seeing just one lineup etc etc.... but will definitely pass on hui hua over next day or two in favour of mei bao (sp ?) or virgin spa.
woke up hung over - again - - - damn whisky, and working the numbers to optimize final 3 nights here....
d23
The meter taxi fare to the hotel is 10 RMB. Only two used the meter during the day and only meter fare was 10 RMB. At night the fare ranged from 40 to 100 RMB plus demand. no meter.
Be aware of locking doors taxi and parking in secluded area. Avoid master locking door taxi at all cost.
CP dangerous situation is the taxi at night or even during the day.
Jettsetter
10-28-10, 14:08
Woke up hung over - again - - - damn whisky, and working the numbers to optimize final 3 nights here....
D23
Sorry buddy... I think those drinking games really worked all of us in... it was a fun night... different than the usual KTV experience.. more the "normal" clubbing type of scene... had fun, it was safe... but I was spinning too when I got home...
Luckily I just passed out. no hangover and just chilled for most of the next day.
Thursday will be a rest day because Friday and Sat. should be crazy nights if all holds true. Plan is FH back again.. - sorry, but even though it's the same KTV, it's still the most fun place in CP in my opinion... girl wise, they're mostly all looser and crazier than most of the other KTV's... not sure if it's just the atmosphere or the fact that stripping IS a possibility... (although with crackdowns I haven't seen stripping in a long time)... but it's my all time favorite at this point. (just like JY used to be back in the day).
Anyways... CP is still fun... and as I warned earlier.. just be careful.
-J
The Dar will be sauntering into Guangdong and hitting CP, Zhuhai, and Shenzhen starting around November 12 (give/take a couple of days). Will be in the area for 2 weekends.
I also might do some other exploring in other nearby outter cities/areas. Small towns in Guangdong, or maybe even in nearby provinces depending on the amount of free time I have.
If you're in your hotel and hear someone beatboxing his own porno audio track and smell something like latex smoking, don't worry -- it's just me and my Rent-A-Babe going at it!
Send a PM if you want to meet up and when I get into town I'll mail my China mobile number (when I arrive) to make it a lot easier to swap plans.
Play Safe!
Dar
Mit Fo Lfe
10-28-10, 19:46
Sorry buddy... I think those drinking games really worked all of us in... it was a fun night... different than the usual KTV experience.. more the "normal" clubbing type of scene... had fun, it was safe... but I was spinning too when I got home...
Luckily I just passed out. no hangover and just chilled for most of the next day.
Thursday will be a rest day because Friday and Sat. should be crazy nights if all holds true. Plan is FH back again.. - sorry, but even though it's the same KTV, it's still the most fun place in CP in my opinion... girl wise, they're mostly all looser and crazier than most of the other KTV's... not sure if it's just the atmosphere or the fact that stripping IS a possibility... (although with crackdowns I haven't seen stripping in a long time)... but it's my all time favorite at this point. (just like JY used to be back in the day).
Anyways... CP is still fun... and as I warned earlier.. just be careful.
-J
whoa ... Jettsetter is drinking whiskey?? Unheard of!!
SE Asia Joe
10-28-10, 20:38
The meter taxi fare to the hotel is 10 RMB. Only two used the meter during the day and only meter fare was 10 RMB. At night the fare ranged from 40 to 100 RMB plus demand. no meter.
Be aware of locking doors taxi and parking in secluded area. Avoid master locking door taxi at all cost.
CP dangerous situation is the taxi at night or even during the day.
Please clarify what is it that you're warning us about?
Are you saying that it's dangerous to use taxis in CP - BUT - then the only other alternative is to use the private cars/bread vans that abounds here. And for the casual visitor to CP - who doesn't yet have such a private car driver who is reliable/trustworthy, these private cars are usually more "dangerous" - no insurance, no being able to report problems to the authority, heard stories of being kidnapped in one of the private car taxis etc.
Yes, many times when an obvious foreigner gets into a taxi, the driver WILL quote an inflated price - but you can either insist that he turns on the meter or negotiate a reasonable price - or refuse his offer. Most times the driver will either turn the meter on or agree to a reasonable price.
This is generally the case - with the notable exception for taxis in the taxi rank at the train station. Forget about even trying to negotiate with these guys and instead just walk out of the Station area towards the bus station and catch a taxi there. The taxis at the Train station taxi rank are real hyenas and only looking for the greenhorn new arrival to pounce on.
And what is this about "master locking taxis?" I'd say all taxis have this master locking mechanism (comon in most modern cars) but it's just as easy to click the knob open before opening the door.
Anyway - what is it that you're warning us about?
Also, I was under the impression that you've never been to China - Did you just make your "debut trip" here?
SEAJ
Bob Builder
10-28-10, 22:27
The meter taxi fare to the hotel is 10 RMB. Only two used the meter during the day and only meter fare was 10 RMB. At night the fare ranged from 40 to 100 RMB plus demand. no meter.
Be aware of locking doors taxi and parking in secluded area. Avoid master locking door taxi at all cost.
CP dangerous situation is the taxi at night or even during the day.
Although the flag fall for most DG taxis is RMB6.50, most will not drop the flag as they consider the minimum fare too low which is set by the government. There have been strikes by taxi drivers in certain parts of DG because of this and compared with the flag fall in SZ which is RMB10.
So you are the one who is going to be easily recognized in DG as you will be riding around on your fold up bike?
bb,
did you see my riding my bike on the streets last month? well i did not ride on a fold up bike though, it was a regular bike with no gears with pink handle bars.
one of the things that you should not be doing in cp as cars have no regard for bicyclers. no, it wasn't my idea. but i had a girl who rode around in a bike and she fell asn scraped up her knee pretty bad while on her way from her house to the dessert place to meet up with me. i felt bad so i actually had her sit in the back seat of the bike and i pedaled her back home. it was pretty intense considering the pollution from the car exhaust going into my lungs and the hot scorching sun beating on my back. not to mention that i almost got hit by a small car and a bus that coul dhave ran me over, drove only inches away from my handlebar. so here i was biking away while my girl was hugging me from behind, from pedestrian outside mall all the way to jiayi ktv area. you should have seen the expressions on the mommies faces when they saw me on a bicycle with one of their girls behind me!
i should have just paid for a taxi to drive her home, but she was worried about her bike. the things i do for these girls....
when you become old like me, you do stupid things like this to reclaim some of your youth back.
asndragon
although the flag fall for most dg taxis is rmb6.50, most will not drop the flag as they consider the minimum fare too low which is set by the government. there have been strikes by taxi drivers in certain parts of dg because of this and compared with the flag fall in sz which is rmb10.
so you are the one who is going to be easily recognized in dg as you will be riding around on your fold up bike?
Many thanks to AsnDragon's informative posts about Saunas. I should have heeded the advice that Hui Hua sauna girls are lazy - - I only have myself to blame even though I did RTFF !!
Off to Mei Bao for "relaxing" Day 6. Incredible little hidden gem. I'm sure the newbie would need help locating it - - I found it by luck despite researching it - - any spot accessible via a parking garage has to be a gem ! (In fact I entered via Snooker Club, despite protestations from others there is no sauna here - I spotted guys with giveaway headsets and made my reservation for later.
Girl 95 - - spinner with huge rack - - she was relieved I didn't take her - - I save her for Day 7 I'm thinking.... Go with Girl 136 - she speaks some English - perfect combination of skinny fit body and ample rack.
BBBJ to sloppy completion ("sorry sorry" - - no worries baby...) off to massive shower room with steam facility, and waterbed soapy cushioned table. Awesome Catbath complete with trimmings though I note no trimmings on her - - she has the hairiest armpits I have ever seen ! (I honestly thought it was a dark tattoo) - and then her bush hung longer than my balls. Crazy.
I skip FS worried a little about what rodents might be hiding in there, and worried about her pussy hairs scrubbing my body like a coarse scrub brush.
In to room for more routine - - another sloppy BBBJ and satisfaction.
130 minutes - she was a dancer so total damage 588.
Awesome experience - I need to try to go again.
Place is packed Fri Sat Sun so make sure you have it lined up in advance.
Til later.
D23
Clarification:
Master locking taxi locks all doors and the passanger is unable to open the door under any circumstances. It had no mechanical override at the door. the knob was flush. The cab driver is in a complete heavy gage cage with just small openings for interaction and the driver is in full control of the situation. The heavy metal cage is typical of DG taxi system but not the master door override system.
A hostage situation in this particular Dongguan metered taxi cab occured.
A real danger in DG being in a master locking door taxi without an local door override. Out of all the cabs only this had an unusual door modification causing a hostage situation.
The taxi driver was identiified to the local train police. The local train police riding in the golf cart near the taxi station.
Is the bus station taxi location north or south of DG Train Station ?.
Please clarify what is it that you're warning us about?
Are you saying that it's dangerous to use taxis in CP - BUT - then the only other alternative is to use the private cars/bread vans that abounds here. And for the casual visitor to CP - who doesn't yet have such a private car driver who is reliable/trustworthy, these private cars are usually more "dangerous" - no insurance, no being able to report problems to the authority, heard stories of being kidnapped in one of the private car taxis etc.
Yes, many times when an obvious foreigner gets into a taxi, the driver WILL quote an inflated price - but you can either insist that he turns on the meter or negotiate a reasonable price - or refuse his offer. Most times the driver will either turn the meter on or agree to a reasonable price.
This is generally the case - with the notable exception for taxis in the taxi rank at the train station. Forget about even trying to negotiate with these guys and instead just walk out of the Station area towards the bus station and catch a taxi there. The taxis at the Train station taxi rank are real hyenas and only looking for the greenhorn new arrival to pounce on.
And what is this about "master locking taxis?" I'd say all taxis have this master locking mechanism (comon in most modern cars) but it's just as easy to click the knob open before opening the door.
Anyway - what is it that you're warning us about?
Also, I was under the impression that you've never been to China - Did you just make your "debut trip" here?
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
10-29-10, 05:42
Chinese New Year (CNY) is fast approaching and in China it is the biggest and most important holiday of the year. Millions of migrant workers will be returning home to celebrate with the family but without bringing sufficient funds home, they will lose face and be ridiculed by family members. From now until CNY (The year of the Rabbit will start on February 3, 2011), people coming to China should especially be careful of theft, robbery, pick-pockets, and most dangerously… kidnapping.
On Tuesday, February 26, at approximately 3pm, I received a call from Worldguy saying that his friend is missing as they were supposed to meet at 1pm. I called the Clipper hotel manager and asked them to enter his room in case he was just sleeping or something may have happened to him medically but he was nowhere in sight and his belongings were inside the room untouched. Worldguy was quite alarmed because he himself was kidnapped once when he was in Beijing so he told the hotel manager to cancel his friend’s room key in case someone other than his friend has it and try to enter his room and low and behold about an hour later, I got another call from him saying that a couple girls were trying to enter his friend’s room. I told him to call security and immediately headed to the Clipper hotel. En route to the hotel I received another call from him and was advised that they have caught one of the two girls and instinctively I told him that no matter what, do not let the girl go; otherwise, we may never see his friend again. Once I arrived at the hotel, I was led to the security office and immediately I asked the girl where they were holding our friend. The woman disguised herself as a tout and said that our friend was at their shop looking at the girls and would not leave at his own choosing so I told her to call her friends at the shop so I can speak to our friend. Once connected, she spoke in some dialect I could not understood so I said to her in a loud voice to let me immediately talk to our friend, she gave the phone to me and 10 seconds later a scared timid voice came on the line speaking Chinese asking me to speak to him in English but at that point, I was speaking in English so I knew immediately something was wrong as our friend was so scared and nervous he didn’t even realize I was speaking English to him. Once he realize that it was me on the phone, he starts speaking English and said, “please help me, help me, they kidnap me, they have beaten me, they say let the girl go and don’t call the police or else, they will kill me…”, at that moment, I told him to stay calm and assure him that we will rescue him, I then immediately told the girl that I know the truth, told her that our friend has told me that he has been kidnapped and that if we don’t see him in 10 minutes we will call the police. The girl panicked and started talking fast on the phone and once she hung up, I told her again that if we don’t see our friend in 10 minutes, she will be royally screwed. I told her that our friend is from overseas and if he is hurt in any way, she and her assailants will be put away for life. The next 20 minutes was excruciating as in my mind I don’t know if I had handled the situation properly under the circumstances. Fortunately, after 20 minutes, I got a phone call from our friend saying that he has been released and is on his way back to the hotel. Once he arrived at the hotel, we could see that he has been beaten up badly.
We were advised by the hotel to not call the police until our friend has been released as they have had experience in the past and that once the kidnappers know that you have contacted the police, we may not ever see our friend again. It took only about 10 minutes for the police to arrive and they took the girl, and ask the 3 of us plus one of the maid and two security guards to go to the police station for statements. Once we were at the station, we found out exactly what happened to our friend.
At approximately 1:30pm, our friend was shopping in the Pedestrian street area (this is the main shopping area in CP) and was approached by two ladies offering girls in a BBS type of setting. Our friend is Chinese who grew up in Canada but speaks fluent Putonghua. He has been to CP many times and have mongered throughout the world so he is no newbie. He was led to an apartment building nearby and one flight of stairs to the second floor. Once he enters the apartment, 3 guys jumped him. He tried to fight his way out of the apartment but was beaten badly. He was forced to give them his pin number for his ATM card and his room card at the hotel with the combination code for his safe. They force him to strip naked and took pictures of him and his documents and told him that if he cooperates with them, they will let him go and if he goes to the authorities then his pictures will be published on the internet.
This incident of course could have been avoided if he used some common sense, i.e. don’t go mongering alone especially to places that he is not familiar with, all the BBS except the one on top of the mini-store across the street from Yue Hua Hotel is on the ground floor. For most of us that has been to China, we all know that people are always running scams here praying on the unsuspecting tourists, so extra precautions should be taken, always trust your gut feeling and if you feel something is not right, then stay clear and return to your hotel as soon as possible.
Our friend was extremely lucky and last heard, the police has a full confession from the girl that was captured by the security guards, and she has cooperated fully with the police, and has given up all her accomplices and the location of the crime scene.
Remember that if you are in China and especially in CP to be extra cautious of your surroundings and don’t let your guard down whether you are out and about or inside your hotel room with your girl. Use your “big” head and you should have a fantastic time here in CP.
BSD
Wow. I'm taking Jetsetter's advice next time. Mace!
Chinese New Year (CNY) is fast approaching and in China it is the biggest and most important holiday of the year. Millions of migrant workers will be returning home to celebrate with the family but without bringing sufficient funds home, they will lose face and be ridiculed by family members. From now until CNY (The year of the Rabbit will start on February 3, 2011), people coming to China should especially be careful of theft, robbery, pick-pockets, and most dangerously… kidnapping.
On Tuesday, February 26, at approximately 3pm, I received a call from Worldguy saying that his friend is missing as they were supposed to meet at 1pm. I called the Clipper hotel manager and asked them to enter his room in case he was just sleeping or something may have happened to him medically but he was nowhere in sight and his belongings were inside the room untouched. Worldguy was quite alarmed because he himself was kidnapped once when he was in Beijing so he told the hotel manager to cancel his friend’s room key in case someone other than his friend has it and try to enter his room and low and behold about an hour later, I got another call from him saying that a couple girls were trying to enter his friend’s room. I told him to call security and immediately headed to the Clipper hotel. En route to the hotel I received another call from him and was advised that they have caught one of the two girls and instinctively I told him that no matter what, do not let the girl go; otherwise, we may never see his friend again. Once I arrived at the hotel, I was led to the security office and immediately I asked the girl where they were holding our friend. The woman disguised herself as a tout and said that our friend was at their shop looking at the girls and would not leave at his own choosing so I told her to call her friends at the shop so I can speak to our friend. Once connected, she spoke in some dialect I could not understood so I said to her in a loud voice to let me immediately talk to our friend, she gave the phone to me and 10 seconds later a scared timid voice came on the line speaking Chinese asking me to speak to him in English but at that point, I was speaking in English so I knew immediately something was wrong as our friend was so scared and nervous he didn’t even realize I was speaking English to him. Once he realize that it was me on the phone, he starts speaking English and said, “please help me, help me, they kidnap me, they have beaten me, they say let the girl go and don’t call the police or else, they will kill me…”, at that moment, I told him to stay calm and assure him that we will rescue him, I then immediately told the girl that I know the truth, told her that our friend has told me that he has been kidnapped and that if we don’t see him in 10 minutes we will call the police. The girl panicked and started talking fast on the phone and once she hung up, I told her again that if we don’t see our friend in 10 minutes, she will be royally screwed. I told her that our friend is from overseas and if he is hurt in any way, she and her assailants will be put away for life. The next 20 minutes was excruciating as in my mind I don’t know if I had handled the situation properly under the circumstances. Fortunately, after 20 minutes, I got a phone call from our friend saying that he has been released and is on his way back to the hotel. Once he arrived at the hotel, we could see that he has been beaten up badly.
We were advised by the hotel to not call the police until our friend has been released as they have had experience in the past and that once the kidnappers know that you have contacted the police, we may not ever see our friend again. It took only about 10 minutes for the police to arrive and they took the girl, and ask the 3 of us plus one of the maid and two security guards to go to the police station for statements. Once we were at the station, we found out exactly what happened to our friend.
At approximately 1:30pm, our friend was shopping in the Pedestrian street area (this is the main shopping area in CP) and was approached by two ladies offering girls in a BBS type of setting. Our friend is Chinese who grew up in Canada but speaks fluent Putonghua. He has been to CP many times and have mongered throughout the world so he is no newbie. He was led to an apartment building nearby and one flight of stairs to the second floor. Once he enters the apartment, 3 guys jumped him. He tried to fight his way out of the apartment but was beaten badly. He was forced to give them his pin number for his ATM card and his room card at the hotel with the combination code for his safe. They force him to strip naked and took pictures of him and his documents and told him that if he cooperates with them, they will let him go and if he goes to the authorities then his pictures will be published on the internet.
This incident of course could have been avoided if he used some common sense, i.e. don’t go mongering alone especially to places that he is not familiar with, all the BBS except the one on top of the mini-store across the street from Yue Hua Hotel is on the ground floor. For most of us that has been to China, we all know that people are always running scams here praying on the unsuspecting tourists, so extra precautions should be taken, always trust your gut feeling and if you feel something is not right, then stay clear and return to your hotel as soon as possible.
Our friend was extremely lucky and last heard, the police has a full confession from the girl that was captured by the security guards, and she has cooperated fully with the police, and has given up all her accomplices and the location of the crime scene.
Remember that if you are in China and especially in CP to be extra cautious of your surroundings and don’t let your guard down whether you are out and about or inside your hotel room with your girl. Use your “big” head and you should have a fantastic time here in CP.
BSD
Andrew Lowa
10-29-10, 07:06
hey raja,
i totally agree with you. i have tried mr. ken's services and its great. always takes extra care and goes that extra mile to make sure you are safe and have a great time. i visited him just by myself and with a few people. even if he makes a little bit of money because i am just alone, he still does go out of his way to make sure that everything is good. and he even picks you up from the train station.
also, i tried the lucky hotel room 508 services that was mentioned here a few months back. they are great too and its true, they do have that all you can drink deal. it seems like they have some special agreement with the ktv's in town. the all you can deal starts at 250rmb to 320rmb depending on what you are drinking and depending on the ktv house. fuhao, tao yuan, mayflower and etc. mainly does the white wine and red wine deals. the deal with them is you pay up front when you make the booking. and you don't need to bring any money with you later during the ktv. i tried their service a few times and it was great. a few times i was alone and they hooked me up with some american guys and some taiwan guys. most spoke english.
for anyone coming in town, i would definitely recommend ken and i would hundred percent recommend david from (tao yin in chinese pinyin) lucky hotel room 508. both offers great service. i have asked david to post here many times but he hasn't yet. i have asked ken to post here as well but he hasn't either. i guess they already have a lot of business.
one thing i have noticed though is that david (130 8888 9937) from lucky hotel room 508 handles a lot of people so you get to meet alot of different people every time. most are business people from hong kong and taiwan, i think. hong kong people must be hurting with their dollar dropping everyday against rmb. no wonder they like this all you can drink deals. haha.
as for mr. bsd that is mentioned here. i have not tried his services, so i do not know if its good or not. but it seems like other people have tried it.
and last but not least, thank you guys for helping me with hotel hookup's. a while back, several of you commented on my post in helping me out with the chipper hotels in cp. it all worked out great and i had a blast in cp. already made my 8th trip since the first time. by the way, if you are thinking of staying in clipper, don't. stay in swan lake hotel instead. the rooms are exactly the same and its about a hundred rmb cheaper. (nothing wrong with clipper though, i have stayed a few times there, breakfast is good)
andrew lowa
hey bros!
been a while since i posted a report here, but the experience i got definitely worth sharing! it is a long read, i am sure you guys going to enjoy it..
i would like to relate my first visit to chang ping and report on services offered to me by freeken from guysong.com, his mobile phone 1342 4764 537
i am a sole traveler, although i have some chinese heritage, i cannot speak chinese at all beyon the usual "tuo sau" heck i don't even know the word for left and right, and barely remember how to say "zhi so cai na? " or something like that. okay, i actually can understand a bit more when were spoken to, but i can't easily made myself understood. also, i admit that i did not go out on leisure much and most of my experiences are done overseas with different stype of services. so bear with me as i relate my after reports.
even though i am a member here for a long time, i did not post much because i do not go out much. browsing on web sites looking for some indications on how to find leisure, i happened to the ********forum and took the initiative to contact ken. right away, under my request ken arranged for my accommodation at miraton, he sms to me the name of the hotel in chinese so i can show it to the taxi drivers (well ken did offer to send a car for me but i refuse at the time. heck i did not know him at all at the time, so how would i know if he won't send somewhere bad?)
as i arrived, i called ken and were told that he have an office in miraton, so, great. lets see him. i went down to 1st floor and sort of wandering around looking for the office, then at a likely place, i entered. inside, there are a few people in computer and a bunch of girls sitting in sofa. i am not sure what i expect but whatever it is the atmosphere is like a regular travel agent.
well anyhow, to cut the story short, ken who were waiting for me there, explained that his services are free to the punters, he get his fees from the places he booked the guests to. thats great methinks, but i admit i was a little skeptical as to what kind of services are free. being from society that believe in tanstafl, free usually means lower quality, i have my back up plan planned before i went there, i have a map of changping city with saunas lists marked just in case.
ok, ken told me that there is another bro going to meibao sauna and introduced me to xiao ho (sound like that), his assistant who will drive us there. the drive there is to put it lightly, interesting. small alleys, blind turns, and at some occasions look like passing through someone's backyard. damn, i think, how in the world would i get back? so i sorta tried to communicate with the xiao ho, and i sorta understand that he said someone from the sauna will drive me back. but how and who should ask for this? ah nevermind. i can get a taxi in newyork, here is ok too. the most the taxi can charge me is less than rmb100 so heck. just relax, i told myself.
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act 1 (4pm. 6pm) meibao sauna
as we arrived, xiao ho took us into the side passage of some building, go upstair, go behind a fire exit, into a courtyard, walk up a couple filghts of stairs, pass through many right angled corridors and right smack into a waiting room. holly smokes!
there are a few other punters around apparently waiting for a "showing", i was offered a cola and were asked to sit for a while.
"clikety clacks clicks clacks. " some 30 or so girls walked into the room and sit opposite us. xiao ho starts to explain to me the prices for the girls, and encouraged me to stand up and view them closer. really a sheep market style. i am sorta embarrased because i am not used to this. anyhow, looking at the selections, it looked as the prices are linked to how tall the girls are. um. i don't care much about height of the girls, where i came from most of girls are tall anyway. i ws tossing to pick #100 because she look nice, but. i spotted a gem tucked away in the corner, she did not even get a space in the sofas and have to sort of kneel there. she looks much like the girl next door type and have a certain soft look that i liked. i mentioned to xiao ho that she looks fine, immediately he (xiao ho) barked out "you in the corner! stand up" um, there is a movie by stallone called "assassin" where the bad guy used to say" thats not how you talk to a lady" and exactly thats what i think. but, stand she did and i can confirm then that she is indeed attractive to me.
her number is 315 it would costs about rmb 568 for a couple of hours of access to her personal spaces. ok, done. out of the corner of my eyes, i see xiao ho talked to a girls to arrange for a car to send me back to my hotel. wow, no reminders required. nice.
the room in meibao is large, the bed in the room came with steel bed posts. ieeee-interesting. there is a large shower area with a bed inside plus the usual commodes. the girl ask if i want to bath, you bet i do. been walking in the heat all day i stink thus started a very pleasurable bath that last almost 45 minutes including atleast 15mins of bbbj. the bed is apparently a water bed! wowser! with plastic cover on top of it, its slippery as.
afterwards in the dry bed, she proceed by giving me the usual messages, the weird water sucking thingy, more bbbj and finishing in cow girl position. bros, i am not into deeply describing the happenings with me in the room, but ya have to try them!
afterwards, she took me out to the cashier, i paid the cashier the money and they immediately gave the girl rmb 300. the service girl that xiao ho talked to before were there waiting for me and she took me down to the parking area and pass me to a driver who drove me back to the hotel. all in all a tame and most pleasant experience!
here is the verdict.
girl #315 i think she say she is from hunan she have a soft see cup with innie teats. ohh yeah. love digging them out. face 7 / 10 service 7 / 10 plenty bbbj and ball jobs, but no rimming visit again? maybe if i can find the way. damn, the place is hard to get to. i definitely cannot find my way there without a guide.
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act 2 (6. 30 pm. 9. 00 pm) bbs girl as soon as i got back, i went to ken's office again raring to try another sample of different experience. i told ken that i would like to try both bbs and another sauna with a different kind of service feel.
ken suggested that i go to try bbs first, i think it is because the good ones will soon be taken up and also if i like the girl and wish to do long time, i can have a longer go with her due to the fact that the night is young. so again xiao ho took me to this alleyway, a few old ladies talked (no, shouted) to him and one of them took us to a building with steel door. like jail. she unlock the door and there are some 15 or so girls doing whatever, from sititng playing mah jong to slumping in sofas watching tv. the lady claps her hands and shouted something in cantonese and all the girls jumped up. i was then led to a room and the girls trooped in in various street dresses. well now. how do you choose? so many nice things. so little time. i was looking around and the lady starts pointing to the girls and telling me that she sucks heheh. while she is exhorting the qualtiies of the various girls, i set my eye on one with big tities. the lady caught my eye and well. starts her spiel about how good she sucks, complete with pantonime of bj in progress. okay. lets take her. i got to pay her mommy right away rmb 200 and all the way from the house to the car she screamed (talked really loudly) to the girls to give me the best service etc etc. (damn, didn't this people know how to talk in low volume? they have two setting, loud and louder)
took the girl back to my room and do the nasties. well, yeah, whilst she is enthusiastic in her services, the sauna girls are better trained. one thing to remark is that she does something i like a lot, she uses her huge tts to slap into my little bro for about 2 minutes. ohh yeah.
here is the verdict:
girl ching ching (or somehting like that) i asked for and got her phone number so if i wish a repeat, just call her. she told me she is from sechwan. he got huge dd cup with slim 5mm or so nipples that poke out from a large areole. her face rate 6 / 10 and her service rate about 6 / 10 (i like her slapping stuff) bbbj ok, but need ore tutelage. damages rmb 200
oh, and because xiao ho does not get any cut from the mommy, i give the man rmb 20
ok now i have tried the bargain basement stuff. that builds up my courage and confidence with ken's services. so. next!
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act 3 (9. 30 pm. 11. 30 pm) huihua
after 30 minutes rest, i rang ken and tell him that i am ready to go for my next experience. ken told me he will wait in lobby and accompany me to see the latest talents in hui hua.
huihua hotel is just next door to miraton, so we walked there, got into the sauna and were shown into a room. i did not know that xiao ho already told the manager that i wish for best service girl. so, as soon as i got in, there walked in a very nice, pretty girl that wear some pink coverall. the manager closed the door and she opened the coveral, inside she wore fishnet type stuff and she do a pirouette you can see that the goodies she displayed are indeed real, (some girl wear padded bra and as soon as she shed them, you get disappointed with sizes or firmness) i was told that she is the best in rmb 400 range.
oh yeah, i am doing my best immitation of being disinterested and asked to see more talents. i was then shown the "model" range which imho, no where near the quality of the first girl. then the next batch were produced and that made up my mind. i asked for the first girl. boy did i hit a jackpot or what. she has a really bubbly personality and huge eyes that well, appealing to me.
she shows me the service lists (i notice that the girl in meibao did not show me anything) and after she believe that i infact cannot read chinese, she called the name and explained each and every service just before she starts with it. some of these services have really funny name (like "little mouse goes fishing")
after my two earlier cheongs, naturally, i get to be really slow to reach my peak. boy oh boy, she really try hard. her body got really sweaty after the 30 minutes or so non stop movements, pecking, sucking, squatting, you name it she did it. i imagine this girl does not attaing the "model" status because she is short, otherwise, wow baby! definitely worth revisit!
here, you pay the girl in the room and then you pay for the room outside in the cashier.
here is the verdict: #605 name: xi aa (damn how do you spell these names?) i am sure she told me she is from hunan she got a nice firm handful the cup and huge eyes that reminds me of japanese manga girls at about 155 cm, she is a good bit shorter than my shoulder. look: 8 / 10 i am a sucker for big saucer sized eyes. services: 9 / 10 (no one has score 10 from me) she is very vivacious, almost like a mouse on speed. she call the name of every service in the card and explain what it is before doing it to me. she exudes a general good feeling that really appeals to me.
visit again? you bet! wild horses could not drive me away!
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day 2, i was called early morning to go to shenzhen due to some problem and i have to go to the station. i asked ken if xiao ho can give me a lift to the station. no problem.
during the meeting on the day, about 2pm, xi aa (the girl from hui hua) called me and ask if i am going to go out with her. argh. i am in a business meeting and have to talk leisure i say i'll call her later. around 5pm, again she rang, i reject the call, but she ring again, so, after i excused myself, i went out and tell he that i am in a meeting, and will call her as soon as i can. the meeting went overtime and i did not get back to changping until 7pm. naturally, being a clod i am, i forgot to call xi aa. instead i get to ken's office and ask for the next experience.
- act 4 (day 2 8. 10pm) hui mei ken told me that maybe i should try hui mei, again xiao ho drives me there (just across the road from miraton) up in the room, i was shown a few batches of girls of various prices. well, i again do the tried and proven method, and ask for the best service. the manager said something like, "ah, why did not you say so earlier" xiao ho say yeah thats the usually the best way to get good service, while we want them to be pretty, we are not looking for a wife so who cares how they look. its not like we can see their face as they stick their tongue into our assholes.
anyway, i was again given a tiny short girl that look a little fragile. she is so tiny mousy that i feel somewhere in between want to protect her and the dark feel of wanting to smash her. gah.
she starts with a perfunctionary shower / wash, then dries then to bed. bbbj and standard cow girl postion. while it is a pleasant experience, i thought, is this it? the best service this place can provide? well. the fun has just begin! there is a funny chair in the shower, with two cushion for your buttocks and empty in the middle. she sat me there and starts watering me up, soaping, and squirted up almost halft a tube of toothpaste on top of my didi. as she rub the toothpaste around my didi, balls and asshole, it is a strange but pleasant hot and cool minty feeling all around. she then concentrates on to my asshole and i swear she dig into me with her finger! well, now i am no longer a virgin the reason for this extra depth cleaning shows up afterwards in the bed when she places her tongue all over me. finishing up with another shot.
yeah, it is a pleasant experience.
here is the verdict:
girl number. i forgot. i just asked for the best service she is tiny with maybe a small b cup face 7 / 10 service 8 / 10 i still prefer the energetic xi aa from hui hwa. damages 200 for the room which must be paid in front to the manager guy and 300 for the girl
as an aside, xi aa sms me again during the tongue in the brown eye season, and i found out afterwards that she says to me she did not work today and she ask if i would take her out. well girl ya have to learn to text me in english
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act 5 (11pm. 2am) xi aa in hotel room.
well, after i was done with the little girl in hui mei, i look into my phone and saw chinese text sms to me from xi aa so, i call her and we decide that she will came to my room at about 11pm. came she did. and without makeup on her face, which incidently i prefer her natural look more than the made up look. she came up and got on qq with the courtesy computer in my room. she shows me the pictures of her family, home and dogs. many many dogs. again she described what she wrote to her friends, and one particular guy were messanging her from taiwan talking about a visit. so on a hunch, i starts to type in english to him. well. that is hillarious! the guy is flabbergasted!
after about 30 minutes of qq she turn off the computer and say up, go to the shower with me. she wash me as i was in the sauna, doing all things as energetic as she was the day before. we do the nasties, and again i was serviced as good as i get in the sauna the day before, then she left about 2am, she wishes to stay but because i cannot sleep with someone in my bed, and i am cranky if i do not have at least a few hours sleep, i sorta kicked her out my bad!
all during the episode we never talked about the price for her to came. at the end i just gave her rmb 700, which i heard to be a long time rate for average overnight service.
man, i feel bad to kick her out like that, but i have to work early the next day. oh well. work came first.
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i checked out from the hotel the next day to go to another one nearby to the canton fair. i will resume the experience after the fair.
as an aside, i highly recommend services from ken to anyone who happen to visit chang ping dongguan. ken delivers what he promised and his assistant is understanding and patient with my fumbles in the language. for a free service, it is a great service indeed! i will definitely return for more in the near future.
RCA Knight
10-29-10, 07:14
I found a few more legitimate 2nd floor BBS in apartment buildings. There are some in the alleys of the Dongxing Road past Yue Hua before Swan lake Road. I followed the mama because I knew her from other shops in Yalan area. Otherwise I would never follow any new mama to unknown alleys especially at night.
She showed me 2 different BBS in an alley off Dongxing Rd, quite scary looking apartment both on 2nd FL, with monitors and cameras at the entrance door. Both places with 10 or so quite fresh looking gals. She said they recruit themselves from their home towns. I ended up taking several in a few days. Sometimes these apartment BBS mamas hang out with other Yalan mamas and try to take customers from there, because no one know them. If you see these off the track BBS mamas talking with other regular mamas, at least that's a good sign. If they are loners, that is very risky.
Be careful when offered beautiful young girls in some unknown apartments, unless you know the mamas. That is now a CP rule. In my early days hunting in CP, I had been very lucky I think following quite a few unknown mamas all over the city into many dark alleys behind steel doors, but I would never do it now. Now I stick with a few shops and a few regular mamas.
Douglas 123,
I'm happy that you're happy. A lot of the saunas are really getting quite lazy these days. It's no wonder that the top Saunas like Virgin and meiBao are doing so well- they put a lot of emphasis on service and the quality of service they provide to customers. I haven't gotten good sessions in saunas from Hui Hua, Hui Mei and New Century in recent times. However, I have to admit that Hui Hua does have some decent looking girls. I spotted a few before, but then again their service isn't all that great. I ended up liking a supervisor, the girl who brings in and introduces the girls to you. Cute girl from Jiangxi- she's not hot or beautiful per say, but she's just got this really pretty smile, straight white teeth (not always easy to find in China) and these phoenix eyes that I like. BigBoobman is the one who introduced me to her. I ended up staring at her more than the girls walking in.
Anyhow, Sauna's all about service. what's the point of getting a gorgeous girl at a Sauna, when the service is going to be bad right? Might as well just take home a KTV chick, at least the KTV chick will have a bit more feeling in bed because the don't do it so many times of the day. Attitude counts just as much in service. Sometimes if a girl has a great attitude, even though her skills aren't great, I still enjoy my sauna sessions a whole lot more than just a good looking girl who gives me a shit face look and cheats you out on the services inbetween.
Asndragon
Many thanks to AsnDragon's informative posts about Saunas. I should have heeded the advice that Hui Hua sauna girls are lazy - - I only have myself to blame even though I did RTFF !!
Off to Mei Bao for "relaxing" Day 6. Incredible little hidden gem. I'm sure the newbie would need help locating it - - I found it by luck despite researching it - - any spot accessible via a parking garage has to be a gem ! (In fact I entered via Snooker Club, despite protestations from others there is no sauna here - I spotted guys with giveaway headsets and made my reservation for later.
Girl 95 - - spinner with huge rack - - she was relieved I didn't take her - - I save her for Day 7 I'm thinking.... Go with Girl 136 - she speaks some English - perfect combination of skinny fit body and ample rack.
BBBJ to sloppy completion ("sorry sorry" - - no worries baby...) off to massive shower room with steam facility, and waterbed soapy cushioned table. Awesome Catbath complete with trimmings though I note no trimmings on her - - she has the hairiest armpits I have ever seen ! (I honestly thought it was a dark tattoo) - and then her bush hung longer than my balls. Crazy.
I skip FS worried a little about what rodents might be hiding in there, and worried about her pussy hairs scrubbing my body like a coarse scrub brush.
In to room for more routine - - another sloppy BBBJ and satisfaction.
130 minutes - she was a dancer so total damage 588.
Awesome experience - I need to try to go again.
Place is packed Fri Sat Sun so make sure you have it lined up in advance.
Til later.
D23
BSD Dave,
You know if I ever get caught in any type of situation, I would want Dave to come bail me out. This Canadian guy is really damn lucky that you were around and free to handle this situation. If not the situation really could have gotten really ugly. Usually consisting of a lot more beating, more money stolen and a lot more mental trauma inflicted.
I must commend you for your quick thinking. Your gamble on apprehending the girl and making the right threat at the right moment really paid off. I hope the police has apprehended the culprits involved. If they have not arrested all of them, I would recommend the Canadian guy to stay away from CP for a while to let things cool down. In China it really is the wild wild west, anything goes and anything can happen.
It's good to know that someone like Dave has got your back when you need help.
AsnDragon
BSD
Robin Mill
10-29-10, 10:54
Chinese New Year (CNY) is fast approaching and in China it is the biggest and most important holiday of the year. Millions of migrant workers will be returning home to celebrate with the family but without bringing sufficient funds home, they will lose face and be ridiculed by family members. From now until CNY (The year of the Rabbit will start on February 3, 2011), people coming to China should especially be careful of theft, robbery, pick-pockets, and most dangerously… kidnapping.
BSD
Damn! It was a good thing that you did not let the girl go!... These people ought to be brought to justice!
Thanks BSD for the good report.
However, let's do a bit of Game theory.
We can call the police before or after Worldguy (Let presume he has being kiddnapped) has safely return:
After (as in this case)
- Worldguy has safely returned
- Kidnapper expected to go scott free, but was rant out by girl
- Girl expect to go scott free
- Kidnapper betting on chance that they can avoid arrested and be let go.
Before
- Kidnapper knew about police is on them
- Knew they are on losing end
- In fit of anger may harm Worldguy
- Sacrifice the girl
Or
- Kidnapper do not know police is on them
- May negotiated for release of girl with Worldguy
- Police can lay trap (if chinese police is that good and organizes)
What about if nobody manage to capture the girl?
How are we to resolve the situation?
Comments please, as I believe there need to be a set of protocol to ensure the best outcome in these situation.
Bob Builder
10-29-10, 10:59
bb,
did you see my riding my bike on the streets last month? well i did not ride on a fold up bike though, it was a regular bike with no gears with pink handle bars.
one of the things that you should not be doing in cp as cars have no regard for bicyclers. no, it wasn't my idea. but i had a girl who rode around in a bike and she fell asn scraped up her knee pretty bad while on her way from her house to the dessert place to meet up with me. i felt bad so i actually had her sit in the back seat of the bike and i pedaled her back home. it was pretty intense considering the pollution from the car exhaust going into my lungs and the hot scorching sun beating on my back. not to mention that i almost got hit by a small car and a bus that coul dhave ran me over, drove only inches away from my handlebar. so here i was biking away while my girl was hugging me from behind, from pedestrian outside mall all the way to jiayi ktv area. you should have seen the expressions on the mommies faces when they saw me on a bicycle with one of their girls behind me!
i should have just paid for a taxi to drive her home, but she was worried about her bike. the things i do for these girls....
when you become old like me, you do stupid things like this to reclaim some of your youth back.
asndragon
ad,
in china you will not get hit by a car if you do what everyone else does which is ride on the footpath and make all the pedestrians get out or your way, lol!
bb
Bob Builder
10-29-10, 11:03
Clarification:
Master locking taxi locks all doors and the passanger is unable to open the door under any circumstances. It had no mechanical override at the door. the knob was flush. The cab driver is in a complete heavy gage cage with just small openings for interaction and the driver is in full control of the situation. The heavy metal cage is typical of DG taxi system but not the master door override system.
A hostage situation in this particular Dongguan metered taxi cab occured.
A real danger in DG being in a master locking door taxi without an local door override. Out of all the cabs only this had an unusual door modification causing a hostage situation.
The taxi driver was identiified to the local train police. The local train police riding in the golf cart near the taxi station.
Is the bus station taxi location north or south of DG Train Station ?.
The cage is armoured but the driver's seat is not. Carry a philips screwdriver in your bag like I do and stab the fecker through the back of the seat.
Bob Builder
10-29-10, 11:11
Damn! It was a good thing that you did not let the girl go!... These people ought to be brought to justice!
Thanks BSD for the good report.
However, let's do a bit of Game theory.
We can call the police before or after Worldguy (Let presume he has being kiddnapped) has safely return:
After (as in this case)
- Worldguy has safely returned
- Kidnapper expected to go scott free, but was rant out by girl
- Girl expect to go scott free
- Kidnapper betting on chance that they can avoid arrested and be let go.
Before
- Kidnapper knew about police is on them
- Knew they are on losing end
- In fit of anger may harm Worldguy
- Sacrifice the girl
Or
- Kidnapper do not know police is on them
- May negotiated for release of girl with Worldguy
- Police can lay trap (if chinese police is that good and organizes)
What about if nobody manage to capture the girl?
How are we to resolve the situation?
Comments please, as I believe there need to be a set of protocol to ensure the best outcome in these situation.
Problem is that the guy was mongering at the the time and that is always not a good idea to admit to the LE why you got yourself in this situiation.
Similar thing happened to a buddy of mine in Shenzhen where some guys robbed him on the street saying the gal from the BBS was a girlfriend. I went back to the BBS to find the ***** a few days later and mommie said she did not work there anymore (BS) but I saw her later in the week. Got a friend of mine to take her out. Funny how a ciagarette burn to the face jogs peoples memories regarding boyfriends and phone numbers!
Thing is are you going to hunt down a pack of deadbeats and spend money to give them an asskicking. The LE isn't going to do anything about it if there is nothing in it for them.
Better to play safe, unless you have those FLYING KICK skills.
BB
I was sitting in the front passenger side and the goal was to be at GZ airport.
The delay and second slow taxi ride and long ride from East GZ station resulted in a missed flight. Damage 7460 RMB. Both the cab driver took advantage of me being in a rush situation.
Reticketing at the airport before flight departure would have saved 6460 RMB instead of being sent to the wrong counter of CA and suggested to return next morning at the "Customer Service counter." The flight had departed and the duty manager was unable to help other than make a note. Morning duty manager indicated the ticket is null and void next morning. New one way ticket price 7460. The original roundtrip ticket was 4200 RMB.
Chalked as a lesson in misssing a flight !
The cage is armoured but the driver's seat is not. Carry a philips screwdriver in your bag like I do and stab the fecker through the back of the seat.
So true. Is walking safe in CP?
Hit by a bicycle on the sidewalk in Tianamein Square area at night. Came from no where. No real physical injury in this case.
CP is no Tiananein Square and the risk would be greater with lot less riders on hazadous broken sidewalks.
AD,
In China you will not get hit by a car if you do what everyone else does which is ride on the footpath and make all the pedestrians get out or your way, LOL!
BB
Cunning Linguist
10-29-10, 15:37
Remember that if you are in China and especially in CP to be extra cautious of your surroundings and don’t let your guard down whether you are out and about or inside your hotel room with your girl. Use your “big” head and you should have a fantastic time here in CP.
BSD
Perhaps because I am a Laowai, I am acutely aware of my "different" nature in CP but I would advise those who are ABCs to realize that they are as vulnerable as I am (or was) in many ways since the locals can immediately tell who are "real" Chinese and who are not. I too know enough Chinese to get by (most ABCs know much more than me) but I know that being paranoid is better than being trusting. My rule of thumb was
1. Stick strickly to what Big Swinging Dave or Bruce Tea tell you to do. They showed me which BBSes were safe and NEVER, NEVER go to any other. Those places might be safe but never run take the risk just in case.
2. Even if you know the Mami (Mamasan), be very leery -- VERY LEERY -- if you are led to another room that you do not know.
As for taxi scams, if the driver starts talking in quick dialect (Some backcountry hillbilly talk) and does not want to communicate in good old Putonghua, get out and get another cab. If they claim not to understand your Putonghua, get out. It worked for me.
I was more than extra cautious in CP but I had a great old time. This is why I am so grateful to people like BSD and Bruce Tea.
SE Asia Joe
10-29-10, 17:37
Chinese New Year (CNY) is fast approaching and in China it is the biggest and most important holiday of the year. Millions of migrant workers will be returning home to celebrate with the family but without bringing sufficient funds home, they will lose face and be ridiculed by family members. From now until CNY (The year of the Rabbit will start on February 3, 2011), people coming to China should especially be careful of theft, robbery, pick-pockets, and most dangerously… kidnapping.
On Tuesday, February 26, at approximately 3pm, ...........
BSD
Just a bit of correction -
This happened last Tuesday October 23, 2010 - not February.
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
10-29-10, 18:02
Just a bit of correction -
This happened last Tuesday October 23, 2010 - not February.
SEAJThanks Joe for catching that, I think I had CNY on my mind... yes, the correct date of the kidnapping was Tuesday, October 23, 2010.
BSD
Bob Builder
10-29-10, 22:59
Thing is if you watch the 1830 news on Cable TV Channel 8 this kind of stuff is pretty much an everyday occurrence. Last case I saw is where they kidnapped a Hong Kong guy who drove cross border minivans and pulled half his teeth out, OUCH!
Poorbutthappy
10-30-10, 22:08
This is a great post to remind people like me who are ABC and sometime forget that even though they look Chinese they are still different and easy to spot by criminals. I take this post to remind myself to be aware of my surrondings and one thing that really scares the heck out of me is that could have been me as I have gone to places in the past I should not have and even though I did not experience anything like this. It STILL can happen to me. Another scary part is if I am in a situation like this. Who I am going to call? My uncles? My ants or my cousins who have no clue what the heck I usually do when I tell them I am going to "another city" to meet my friends from States.
BSD I always said you are a good man and this post proves it. Wish I could afford KTVs expenses but that is beyond my reach on regular basis and I must stick to what I can afford. BBS. Hope I don't end up dead or beaten up trying to save some bucks and I must keep reminding myself "Safety First".
Chinese New Year (CNY) is fast approaching and in China it is the biggest and most important holiday of the year. Millions of migrant workers will be returning home to celebrate with the family but without bringing sufficient funds home, they will lose face and be ridiculed by family members. From now until CNY (The year of the Rabbit will start on February 3, 2011), people coming to China should especially be careful of theft, robbery, pick-pockets, and most dangerously. Kidnapping.
On Tuesday, February 26, at approximately 3pm, I received a call from Worldguy saying that his friend is missing as they were supposed to meet at 1pm. I called the Clipper hotel manager and asked them to enter his room in case he was just sleeping or something may have happened to him medically but he was nowhere in sight and his belongings were inside the room untouched. Worldguy was quite alarmed because he himself was kidnapped once when he was in Beijing so he told the hotel manager to cancel his friend's room key in case someone other than his friend has it and try to enter his room and low and behold about an hour later, I got another call from him saying that a couple girls were trying to enter his friend's room. I told him to call security and immediately headed to the Clipper hotel. En route to the hotel I received another call from him and was advised that they have caught one of the two girls and instinctively I told him that no matter what, do not let the girl go; otherwise, we may never see his friend again. Once I arrived at the hotel, I was led to the security office and immediately I asked the girl where they were holding our friend. The woman disguised herself as a tout and said that our friend was at their shop looking at the girls and would not leave at his own choosing so I told her to call her friends at the shop so I can speak to our friend. Once connected, she spoke in some dialect I could not understood so I said to her in a loud voice to let me immediately talk to our friend, she gave the phone to me and 10 seconds later a scared timid voice came on the line speaking Chinese asking me to speak to him in English but at that point, I was speaking in English so I knew immediately something was wrong as our friend was so scared and nervous he didn't even realize I was speaking English to him. Once he realize that it was me on the phone, he starts speaking English and said, "please help me, help me, they kidnap me, they have beaten me, they say let the girl go and don't call the police or else, they will kill me. ", at that moment, I told him to stay calm and assure him that we will rescue him, I then immediately told the girl that I know the truth, told her that our friend has told me that he has been kidnapped and that if we don't see him in 10 minutes we will call the police. The girl panicked and started talking fast on the phone and once she hung up, I told her again that if we don't see our friend in 10 minutes, she will be royally screwed. I told her that our friend is from overseas and if he is hurt in any way, she and her assailants will be put away for life. The next 20 minutes was excruciating as in my mind I don't know if I had handled the situation properly under the circumstances. Fortunately, after 20 minutes, I got a phone call from our friend saying that he has been released and is on his way back to the hotel. Once he arrived at the hotel, we could see that he has been beaten up badly.
We were advised by the hotel to not call the police until our friend has been released as they have had experience in the past and that once the kidnappers know that you have contacted the police, we may not ever see our friend again. It took only about 10 minutes for the police to arrive and they took the girl, and ask the 3 of us plus one of the maid and two security guards to go to the police station for statements. Once we were at the station, we found out exactly what happened to our friend.
At approximately 1:30pm, our friend was shopping in the Pedestrian street area (this is the main shopping area in CP) and was approached by two ladies offering girls in a BBS type of setting. Our friend is Chinese who grew up in Canada but speaks fluent Putonghua. He has been to CP many times and have mongered throughout the world so he is no newbie. He was led to an apartment building nearby and one flight of stairs to the second floor. Once he enters the apartment, 3 guys jumped him. He tried to fight his way out of the apartment but was beaten badly. He was forced to give them his pin number for his ATM card and his room card at the hotel with the combination code for his safe. They force him to strip naked and took pictures of him and his documents and told him that if he cooperates with them, they will let him go and if he goes to the authorities then his pictures will be published on the internet.
This incident of course could have been avoided if he used some common sense, I. E. Don't go mongering alone especially to places that he is not familiar with, all the BBS except the one on top of the mini-store across the street from Yue Hua Hotel is on the ground floor. For most of us that has been to China, we all know that people are always running scams here praying on the unsuspecting tourists, so extra precautions should be taken, always trust your gut feeling and if you feel something is not right, then stay clear and return to your hotel as soon as possible.
Our friend was extremely lucky and last heard, the police has a full confession from the girl that was captured by the security guards, and she has cooperated fully with the police, and has given up all her accomplices and the location of the crime scene.
Remember that if you are in China and especially in CP to be extra cautious of your surroundings and don't let your guard down whether you are out and about or inside your hotel room with your girl. Use your "big" head and you should have a fantastic time here in CP.
BSD
Problem is that the guy was mongering at the the time and that is always not a good idea to admit to the LE why you got yourself in this situiation.
BB
Since the guy found the girl on the shopping/pedistrian street, he might be able to say that she offered him cheap FOOT MASSAGE service at a place that she said was newly opened and nearby; so he followed her and ended up going to the place where he got jumped.
I've sometimes been on a pedistrian street and had some guys (or women) approach me (and had flyers advertising a restaurant). If you're interested and ask where it is, they lead you to some place that's several streets away to where you go up stairs to enter the restaurant. So, that could be another excuse to tell the cops ("she told me prices of the seafood, so I went with her to find the restaurant... then got jumped").
Dar
Sardaukar1
10-30-10, 23:03
I once remember feeling sad and dejected when a nice lady I had spent time with from a Nana Plaza dance bar was entertaining another customer when I arrived. The mamasan explained that she was not available and I had this disheartened feeling and I went home alone that night. In hindsight it is easy to recognize how silly it was, but at the time it felt very real.Very well-put, bro Streetwalker. We've all been there at some point in our early mongering lives. The key is to learn the lesson and move on.
Sardaukar1
10-30-10, 23:58
I find most send their money back home to their parents more than boyfriends.You'd be shocked at how many WGs have boyfriends who do nothing but feed off the money the girls bring home. The Hongkees have a term for these dudes -- "little wolfdogs."
What usually happens: a large majority of KTV / Sauna WGs live together with boyfriends. These girls first came from their hometowns to work in Guangdong factories. These "wolfdogs" would then sneak into the factories and work alongside these girls to try to woo them. Being naive and gullible, these village girls easily succumb to the advances and lose their virginity. The wolfdogs would then cajole the girls into prostitution, promising them marriage once they have saved up enough money. The girls stay loyal to their "first love" and would do whatever is asked of them.
Some girls do eventually wake up, realize the true nature of the "wolfdogs," and try to break up with their BFs. At this point, the BFs would have already possessed every piece of personal information about the girl. They would then threaten to reveal the girls' occupation to their families back home. To Chinese girls, "face" is everything. They would rather die than to let their parents know they have turned into a *****. Hence, they have no choice but to continue in the trade and feed the BFs.
Wolfdogs usually keep multiple GFs around to maximum their revenues.
Sardaukar1
10-31-10, 06:22
Bro Seaj,
I just chatted to a friend of mine, and this is exactly what happened to him. He travelled in a yellow taxi from Virgin hotel to the train station, and the driver charged him 20rmb (meter was only 10rmb). Naturally my friend refused. The taxi driver then locked all the doors and my friend could not get out no matter how hard he tried. I'm pretty sure "click the knob open before opening the door" was one of the first things he attempted. Ultimately he tried kicking open the door, to no avail.
The driver then started to drive away to somewhere else. My friend had no choice but to pay him the 20rmb.
Please be careful, guys.
Please clarify what is it that you're warning us about?
Are you saying that it's dangerous to use taxis in CP - BUT - then the only other alternative is to use the private cars/bread vans that abounds here. And for the casual visitor to CP - who doesn't yet have such a private car driver who is reliable/trustworthy, these private cars are usually more "dangerous" - no insurance, no being able to report problems to the authority, heard stories of being kidnapped in one of the private car taxis etc.
Yes, many times when an obvious foreigner gets into a taxi, the driver WILL quote an inflated price - but you can either insist that he turns on the meter or negotiate a reasonable price - or refuse his offer. Most times the driver will either turn the meter on or agree to a reasonable price.
This is generally the case - with the notable exception for taxis in the taxi rank at the train station. Forget about even trying to negotiate with these guys and instead just walk out of the Station area towards the bus station and catch a taxi there. The taxis at the Train station taxi rank are real hyenas and only looking for the greenhorn new arrival to pounce on.
And what is this about "master locking taxis?" I'd say all taxis have this master locking mechanism (comon in most modern cars) but it's just as easy to click the knob open before opening the door.
Anyway - what is it that you're warning us about?
Also, I was under the impression that you've never been to China - Did you just make your "debut trip" here?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
10-31-10, 09:09
Bro Seaj,
I just chatted to a friend of mine, and this is exactly what happened to him. He travelled in a yellow taxi from Virgin hotel to the train station, and the driver charged him 20rmb (meter was only 10rmb). Naturally my friend refused. The taxi driver then locked all the doors and my friend could not get out no matter how hard he tried. I'm pretty sure "click the knob open before opening the door" was one of the first things he attempted. Ultimately he tried kicking open the door, to no avail.
The driver then started to drive away to somewhere else. My friend had no choice but to pay him the 20rmb.
Please be careful, guys.
Seems like a lot of things this taxi did to just get an extra RMB 10.
Not saying that what you've written is not true - it probably is, but it just seems a lot of modifications work etc for the taxi driver just to overcharge RMB 10. Would have thought that such an effort would be for lots more.
Anyway, you bring up a good point - CP yellow taxis. NOT all yellow taxis are CP - some are from another DGG town and the only way to identify a CP taxi is if you read the Chinese characters for CP on the front door. Also, there ARE also FAKE YELLOW TAXIS! If you look closely at these fake taxis, the paint job is usually not that great, color is most times not "just right", is more run down than the already run down genuine taxis (!). All I can say is that these fake taxis CAN BE distinguished but it ain't all that easy.
You gotta be careful getting into these fake taxis for at the least, the meter will run up REAL quick and worst I guess is you getting robbed and getting your organs harvested!
OTH - Most (note - not all) taxis are OK to get into - just do take usual precautions and do have a bit of "Spider sense" and I think - and hope - you'll be OK. (not saying much here - sorry!!)
SEAJ
Sardaukar1,
Honestly, money can solve most things in China. I don't understand why people are penny pinching over 10 rmb in a taxi, and risking being beaten up, robbed or even killed of it.
Sure some people may say it's about the principle. Fighting for what is "right." FYI, This is China! In China, a human life really isn't worth all that much. There are people who literally dissapear in China and you never are able to find their bodies anymore. Moral of the story really is...when in danger just pay the money because when you are dead money's worth nothing to you.
There are some guys who try to act tough, may it be people from the states, Hong Kong, Taiwan Singapore etc...but CP and or China is not the place to be a tough guy. Unless you know a lot of high powered people in the government or triad who are with you partying, I wouldn't advise trying to cause a scene. Let me point out to a report a few months ago. I was at Fuhao one evening, and I was eating BBQ chicken sticks out on the second floor terrace restaurant. A guy had an argument with a girl or Mommy and he was upset and acted tough and walked out of the KTV without paying....all of a sudden the Fuhao management called in their security, which is all of the security in Jia Mei Apartment complex and vicinity to stop this guy. When this customer saw literally 25 guys coming out with metal rods and weapons he quickly jumped inside his driver's Van, and locked the door- scared for his life. Obviously he wasn't so tough anymore. The whole ordeal was pretty big and some of the security tried to threaten to driver if he doesn't open the door he will smash the windows. they were hitting and pounding the windows. The guy was probably pissing in his pants. In the end, the whole thing was still resolved...when the guy...paid up his bill and was allowed to leave. I knew all of this was going on because right in front of me I was eating chicken sticks with the GM at Fuhao, a tall skinny Dongbei guy, I was introduced to him by a Dongbei Mommy. I treated him to eat chicken sticks and when this whole ordeal happened he left during our meal and ran down to assist the other security guards to settle this matter.
As BSD Dave, SEAJoe or Jetsetter and everyone else points out-don't act cocky because it will get yourself killed. We go to China to have fun with girls, keep it at that. If you need to pay, just pay it. Sometimes if you are caught in a situation of being ripped off in cases and you have no backup and it's dangerous to fight back and the matter can be settled with money, just pay the money. Just stay alive, money isn't worth much when you are dead right?
Just my two cents.
AsnDragon
Bro Seaj,
I just chatted to a friend of mine, and this is exactly what happened to him. He travelled iThere n a yellow taxi from Virgin hotel to the train station, and the driver charged him 20rmb (meter was only 10rmb). Naturally my friend refused. The taxi driver then locked all the doors and my friend could not get out no matter how hard he tried. I'm pretty sure "click the knob open before opening the door" was one of the first things he attempted. Ultimately he tried kicking open the door, to no avail.
The driver then started to drive away to somewhere else. My friend had no choice but to pay him the 20rmb.
Please be careful, guys.
SE Asia Joe
10-31-10, 09:36
Money solves...well most things
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Honestly, money can solve most things in China. I don't understand why people are penny pinching over 10 rmb in a .................
Just my two cents.
AsnDragon
Add my two fens to your 2 cents:
Money solves MORE things in China than in lots of other places!!
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
Can you teach me how to develop "spider" sense? In terms of Taxis, how i usually analyze whether they are fake or not is, if they have a light box on the top of their taxi. Next, I look at the pain job of the yellow taxi, if the lines are not straight chances are it's fake. Then, I see the writing on the side of the taxi. If they write down the town in dongguan they are from, chances are higher they are real.
Then I look at the make and model of the car. Most yellow taxis...not all, but most drive a toyota corolla or a BYD car- all other brands, although there are some out there with different brands, are usually not the brands they use for yellow taxis.
I had to share a story about the whole apartment kidnapping. There was a point in time during or right after a Chinese New Year about 2-3 years ago, where there was some moving around of girls near the Hui Mei Area. This period of time was right after the Mommie Vans were banned. For those of you who remember those Mommie Vans- they were large vans parked outside of Lucky Hotel where they would have girls sit inside and they would come out in 5-6 in a row to a nearby corner or alley for you to choose from. Anyhow, during this period of time, they had a new apartment BBS on the 10th floor, it's to the left of Lucky Hotel I believe in one of those side entry alley ways that go up to a tall apartment building. I was skeptical at first, but i went in with two friends and two other Taiwanese mongers so I thought...5 guys going in...could be real, but I only stood on the outside of the front door and did not want to go in. It was quite stupid of me and I thin i got lucky that it was a real BBS and not a kidnap plot. But I only went in because there was 5 guys going in. But let this be known that I took a stupid risk, and I got lucky. We can't count on luck all the time. So do be careful.
On a side note: why are all the BBS behind Hui Mei in such bad shape. I don't need the BBS to be in a luxurious apartment room, but at least repaint the walls or something, the smell of the mold is a health hazard, for customers and for the girls who sit there 10 hours a day smelling mold and bacteria. It sort of explains why they get sick or keep on coughing up flem all the time. They tried to fix the situation by covering it over with a bed sheet. Why would a bed sheet solve the whole mold situation! I almost want to ask every bro here to put in a few dollars to pitch in a "Save the BBS girl's health and remodel the damn room fund" for them to just clean and paint the damn walls! I feel bad for the girls who work in those poor conditions. And I feel bad for myself entering through the smelly front first door, and then passing by the smelly bathroom area, to then enter in a mold infested BBS room. At least Baby's room and all those people over there have newly painted rooms that look clean and nice. Why did Xiao Hua Mommy go over to Hui Mei is beyond my comprehension.
AsnDragon
Seems like a lot of things this taxi did to just get an extra RMB 10.
Not saying that what you've written is not true - it probably is, but it just seems a lot of modifications work etc for the taxi driver jsut to overcharge RMB 10. Would have thought that such an effort would be for lots more.
Anyway, you bring up a good point - CP yellow taxis. NOT all yellow taxis are CP - some are from another DGG town and the only way to dientify a CP taxi is if you read the chinese characters for CP on the front door. Also, there ARE also FAKE YELLOW TAXIS! If you look closely at these fake taxis, the paint job is usually not that great, color is most times not "just right", is more run down than the already run down genuine taxis (!). All I can say is that these fake taxis CAN BE distinguished but it ain't all that easy.
You gotta be careful getting into these fake taxis for at the least, the meter will run up REAL quick and worst I guess is you getting robbed and getting your organs harvested!
OTH - Most (note - not all) taxis are OK to get into - just do take usual precautions and do have a bit of "Spider sense" ad I think - and hope - you'll be OK. (not saying much here - sorry!!)
SEAJ
SEAJoe,
Ok, I'll take your 2 fen that you added on my 2 cents. I do stand corrected, China can solve many things not MOST things than a lot of other places.
Out of curiosity...since you are from HK I think you should still add 2 "cents", which HK uses, instead of 2 "fen" Don't they say "仙"= which is equivalent to cents in HK? Well, I guess when you go up to China as much as you do, it becomes your second home. You HK people have it good, living so close to all the action!
AsnDragon
Add my two fens to your 2 cents:
Money solves MORE things in China than in lots of other places!!
SEAJ
100 RMB is not much to get out of the situation looking back at it. It was not a yellow cab but a jade color taxi. Being a hostage for 100 RMB for a round trip fare is not something one forgets easily in a metered taxi. The overall monetary damage was significant due to time delay.
The only other situation I can remember was in New Delhi being hijacked to gift stores by a private car driver provided by the legal tour operator for the day. Later being driven to his temple to make a contribution for good cause?
Driver was not interested in providing "city tour " constantly complained about the traffic situation.
A wasted day!
Add my two fens to your 2 cents:
Money solves MORE things in China than in lots of other places!!
SEAJ
Sardaukar1
10-31-10, 21:03
This point does not have an impact on the veracity of the story.
It would be a bit short-sighted to think the driver went through all that trouble just to scam 10rmb from my friend in just this incident, wouldn't it? Granted, overcharging by 10rmb does seem to be a small amount -- I guess my friend got "lucky" that the driver didn't demand 100 times that amount.
It is obvious that the taxi driver did not make the modifications just to screw my particular friend over in just this one instance -- he has probably done it countless times already before my hapless friend bumped into him. The master key lock modifications are a long term investment that will pay for themselves in the long-run, so as long as he keeps succeeding in scamming people in a similar manner, the benefits will eventually surpass the breakeven point.
Some more background information: on that rainy day, my Singaporean friend and I just finished dim sum, we got into the yellow cab, and we asked the driver to drop me off first at some place nearby Virgin. We were conversing in English all the way, and my Singaporean friend does not speak perfect Mandarin. We believe that this was one of the reasons why my friend became a target -- we revealed our tourist status and my friend was left alone.
Seems like a lot of things this taxi did to just get an extra RMB 10.
Not saying that what you've written is not true - it probably is, but it just seems a lot of modifications work etc for the taxi driver just to overcharge RMB 10. Would have thought that such an effort would be for lots more.
Sardaukar1
10-31-10, 21:10
i'm totally with you and seaj on that. if i were in a hostage situation, i would gladly pay up whatever is asked of me so i can get away unrep001hed.
money can always be re-earned. life/health cannot.
your ktv story reminded me of an incident in a bar in chengdu. a customer flirted with a waitress by force-embracing her, and the bar called up a horde of security guards who beat him up severely with fist and metal rod.
china is definitely not a place to act tough.
sardaukar1,
honestly, money can solve most things in china. i don't understand why people are penny pinching over 10 rmb in a taxi, and risking being beaten up, robbed or even killed of it.
sure some people may say it's about the principle. fighting for what is "right." fyi, this is china! in china, a human life really isn't worth all that much. there are people who literally dissapear in china and you never are able to find their bodies anymore. moral of the story really is...when in danger just pay the money because when you are dead money's worth nothing to you.
asndragon
As BSD Dave, SEAJoe or Jetsetter and everyone else points out-don't act cocky because it will get yourself killed.
Just my two cents.
AsnDragon
Some of us posted crime reports a few years ago and we were accused of lieing.
A forum member called Loso, who was new to China, hooked up with me via the forum PM system and I showed him around some of my favourite places. Then I discovered he had a bad habit of being confrontational, rude and aggressive with some of the mamasans and pimps. I concluded that this guy was possibly destined for serious trouble and i did not want to be there if it happened. Consequently, I then avoided him.
Because of experiences like this some of us are reluctant to go with newcomers.
There is considerable danger in following a street tout to an unknown location. Anywhere in the world, it is best to follow a friend who is very familiar with the location.
If you do not know anybody in CP, I recommend you go to one of Big Swinging Dave's ktv parties, find some new knowledgable friends and then take it from there.
But sometimes...we just have bad luck and when you strike out you really strike out all night.
Ouch... that is why you keep a book of numbers.. QQ actually can be good as alot of girls off work go online... i've had a few QQ bootie calls.
The meter taxi fare to the hotel is 10 RMB. Only two used the meter during the day and only meter fare was 10 RMB. At night the fare ranged from 40 to 100 RMB plus demand. no meter.
Be aware of locking doors taxi and parking in secluded area. Avoid master locking door taxi at all cost.
CP dangerous situation is the taxi at night or even during the day.
I have not been able to get a taxi for less than 15 from the train station in ages. When the sun goes down they all try for 20 (or more - hell i was offered 50 and told the guy does his mother know he is crazy?).... 100 i have not heard yet...
lots of gypsy cabs and fake cabs too. I have taken often a gypsy cab, as long as there is one guy in car and it was daytime. at night i try to take a marked cab for safety...20 should work anytime day or night. 15 in the day.
note going to train station is usually about 8 from Huihua....
no avoiding the train station surcharge (of course they are waiting for a fair so you expect it to be higher..)
I don't get it cause every time i go there i have good service. Maybe the mommie precoaches them. but i didn't like meibao's quality and service was only average in my book. Virgin is usually good but i don't like them trying to put you in the shitty small rooms in the back even after you book a big room.
I have not been able to get a taxi for less than 15 from the train station in ages. When the sun goes down they all try for 20 (or more - hell i was offered 50 and told the guy does his mother know he is crazy?).... 100 i have not heard yet...
I usually try to take the taxis first at the train station in CP. When I can't get a price of 10 rmb or for them to use the meter, I just take the yellow buses near the train station. It's only 2 rmb. You also have an option of taking the motorcycles that can carry 4 people. They are only 5-7 rmb.
Some of us posted crime reports a few years ago and we were accused of lieing.
A forum member called Loso, who was new to China, hooked up with me via the forum PM system and I showed him around some of my favourite places. Then I discovered he had a bad habit of being confrontational, rude and aggressive with some of the mamasans and pimps. I concluded that this guy was possibly destined for serious trouble and i did not want to be there if it happened. Consequently, I then avoided him.
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I recall when he takes a girl, photos are mandatory. NO photos no money. He returned a few girls, after they refused to take any pictures. He had a serious fight with one mommy and took her shoe and broke it.
I think he needed to take pictures for his website is the reason for pictures.
Santa what's good for XMAS this year ? It's 45 days away.
Summary Checklist for DG local travel: Danger Minimized?
Taxi fare: 10 to 25 RMB/
Operation period First Train to Last Train period
Typical 19 to 25 to RMB Clipper or Swan. (Day time)
Be aware of the danger in travel by DG cabs or other means.
Schedule?
Yellow Buses: 2 RMB
Jitney Motorcycle: 5 to 7 RMB
Reading Weelock's response one can see one has options to consider in a difficult situation like finding a safe ride to the hotel. The Yellow buses have particular route marking one might not be aware.
Jitney motorcycles or the Yellow bus location is not obvious from the DG train station taxi stand or what time period they run. The last train from GZ (10:52 pm) to DG, arrives at 11:22 pm, the unmarked taxi are available but not many metered. It is a zoo to say the least to find a cab or just a few unmarked available demanding very high fare.
Ref: Weelock
Sardaukar1
11-02-10, 03:02
no avoiding the train station surcharge (of course they are waiting for a fair so you expect it to be higher..)A reason why the train station surchage exists is because the drivers have to pay for the right to pick up passengers at the train station. That's why they always refuse to go lower than 15 / 20 rmb even if it means losing potential business and waiting longer.
Hey TinTin,
I'm really fed with drinking all that red/white wine offered by most CP agents. Would you kindly provide me the contact info of the agents offering the 250rmb beer package?
ThanksWhere can I find packages like this? I need to find an all you can drink beer package. Can I talk to the KTV manager and negotiate a package? I am hesitant to go to an agent. I just need an all inclusive beer, fruit, tissue, dj, waiter package to save money.
We are a two person group and do not want to join other mongerers.
Thanks!
SE Asia Joe
11-02-10, 09:26
A reason why the train station surchage exists is because the drivers have to pay for the right to pick up passengers at the train station. That's why they always refuse to go lower than 15 / 20 rmb even if it means losing potential business and waiting longer.
It's not only the train stations.
In front of a lot of hotels, you can ONLY go in to "private cars" who have agreed to pay upwards of a few hundred dollars to a few thousands to the powers-that-be that controls such matters.
In fact a year or so ago, there was an incidence when a taxi driver actually got shot as he had dropped off a passenger at the Hui hua and another passenger got in. This was a big no-no to the guys who paid for the privilege of getting the "captive market", argument ensued and the shooting of the taxi driver.
To avoid having to pay the high fares that these drivers always try to charge, just walk out of the close vicinity of the hotel entrance itself and catch a proper yellow (RMB6 flag fall) or Blue (RMB7 + 1 flag fall) taxi - but then again, you do have to avoid the fake ones. LOL!
As for the train station, just walk to the street where the Jindili and the bus station is at - and you should be able to catch a taxi who will put on the meter - at least during the wekdays/less so during weekends! Of course a lot of bros here also pre-phone their favorite private taxis to wait for them in the street next to the McDonald's or ask BS Dave to arrange such.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-02-10, 09:50
Some of us posted crime reports a few years ago and we were accused of lieing.
A forum member called Loso, who was new to China, hooked up with me via the forum PM system and I showed him around some of my favourite places. Then I discovered he had a bad habit of being confrontational, rude and aggressive with some of the mamasans and pimps. I concluded that this guy was possibly destined for serious trouble and i did not want to be there if it happened. Consequently, I then avoided him.
Because of experiences like this some of us are reluctant to go with newcomers.
There is considerable danger in following a street tout to an unknown location. Anywhere in the world, it is best to follow a friend who is very familiar with the location.
If you do not know anybody in CP, I recommend you go to one of Big Swinging Dave's ktv parties, find some new knowledgable friends and then take it from there.
I remember this - and his full handle is Loso69.
Bad news for us foreign mongers as the gals and mommies etc easily categorizes us all as being the same.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
11-02-10, 10:07
I've noticed all sorts of added security around train stations the past couple or so weeks.
Getting on the train at SZ, now they require ALL passengers to show proper identification. The Chinese ID's are scanned into a computer and re-scanned on another little machine which matches the physical card with info that pops up on the gizmo. Foreigners and HK ID card holders just flash their passports/ID's - followed by the bag scan AND now a body search of everybody passing thru.
Arriving at CP station, there is a group of security personnel with mean looking automatic rifles eye-balling arrivals (why don't they instead crack-down on the taxi touts!).
Last week going into the GZ East train station, everybody had to go thru the bag scan - and I mean even just entering the train station proper even before you buy a train ticket. And of course bag scan AND a body search at each entrance.
Ahhhh.... Asian games!! Can see further "road blocks" for us mongers in the next few weeks.
SEAJ
Hello,
Could someone take a look at the beer package at clipper and see if its worth it?
http://www.clipper-hotel.com/xiangxif.asp?id=661
Using google translate it doesnt seem like it includes the dj or waiter fees. Anything else we need to pay for other than the sitting fees? Again, I'm purposely looking for these packages as we are a 2 people group and not looking for an "agent"
I usually walk out of the station, turn left and walk down the road a bit to catch a taxi on the street. Those guys waiting outside are there to gouge you...
I have not been able to get a taxi for less than 15 from the train station in ages. When the sun goes down they all try for 20 (or more - hell i was offered 50 and told the guy does his mother know he is crazy?).... 100 i have not heard yet...
lots of gypsy cabs and fake cabs too. I have taken often a gypsy cab, as long as there is one guy in car and it was daytime. at night i try to take a marked cab for safety...20 should work anytime day or night. 15 in the day.
note going to train station is usually about 8 from Huihua....
no avoiding the train station surcharge (of course they are waiting for a fair so you expect it to be higher..)
Sukhumvitter
11-03-10, 02:16
Here is another kidnapping story. The guy claims to have followed a woman who was offering to sell him cheap electronics when he was jumped, tied up, and was robbed via ATM.
Yeah, right...he went with her to an apartment to buy electronics in CP. LOL
Play Safe guys!
www dot todayonline dot com/Voices/EDC101103-0000058/Kidnapped-and-robbed
[replace the word dot with, well, a "."]
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"Kidnapped and robbed"
A reader shares his traumatic experience in China and warns potential visitors
Letter from Ho Kwok Hoong
05:55 AM Nov 03, 2010
ON OCT 12, I was heading to Shenzhen Airport when I decided to stop at Dongguan for some last-minute shopping.
While there, I was assaulted, robbed and held captive for four hours. I am writing this letter to share my experience with fellow Singaporeans travelling to China.
An elderly woman approached me along a busy street in Changping district to peddle some electronic items. She told me more of her products were kept elsewhere and lured me into a nearby vacant house where a group of men jumped on me and tied me up.
The muggers told me they had also kidnapped another person, a Malaysian, who was in the room adjacent to where I was being held. They were not interested in the few hundred renminbi I had on me but went for my ATM card and demanded my PIN number. I refused and, for the next two hours, they rained more than 30 punches on my head and body.
I came to realise later that it was pointless to resist them as it was not worth risking my life over a $3,000 withdrawal. They released me, and the other victim, two hours later.
Before my release, one of the kidnappers told me their targets were Hong Kongers, Singaporeans and Malaysians. These were the people they believed to be richer and they identified them by the way these nationalities wear a pouch bag.
It dawned on me that it had been a stupid move to have followed the woman into an unknown place.
I made a police report at the Changping police station but was not even given a carbon copy of my report.
Upon safely arriving back in Singapore, I obtained the assistance of the staff at the United Overseas Bank who gave me information on the location of the ATM in China and the time the robbers withdrew money from my account. I was hoping that the ATM surveillance camera had captured the faces of the robbers but to no avail.
For the next 10 days, I tried calling the Chinese investigating officer (IO) in charge of my case but was unsuccessful. Subsequently, as a last resort, I sought the help of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here.
When I finally got through to the Chinese IO recently, he told me that such investigations take time and that I have to be patient even though I had provided him with the ATM withdrawal details.
I am still recovering from the injuries I sustained from the punches to my head and body. I urge Singaporeans to take extra care when travelling to China and to stay alert when out in the streets. "
Bob Builder
11-03-10, 02:49
Here is another kidnapping story. The guy claims to have followed a woman who was offering to sell him cheap electronics when he was jumped, tied up, and was robbed via ATM.
Yeah, right...he went with her to an apartment to buy electronics in CP. LOL
Play Safe guys!
www dot todayonline dot com/Voices/EDC101103-0000058/Kidnapped-and-robbed
[replace the word dot with, well, a "."]
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"Kidnapped and robbed"
A reader shares his traumatic experience in China and warns potential visitors
Letter from Ho Kwok Hoong
05:55 AM Nov 03, 2010
ON OCT 12, I was heading to Shenzhen Airport when I decided to stop at Dongguan for some last-minute shopping.
While there, I was assaulted, robbed and held captive for four hours. I am writing this letter to share my experience with fellow Singaporeans travelling to China.
An elderly woman approached me along a busy street in Changping district to peddle some electronic items. She told me more of her products were kept elsewhere and lured me into a nearby vacant house where a group of men jumped on me and tied me up.
The muggers told me they had also kidnapped another person, a Malaysian, who was in the room adjacent to where I was being held. They were not interested in the few hundred renminbi I had on me but went for my ATM card and demanded my PIN number. I refused and, for the next two hours, they rained more than 30 punches on my head and body.
I came to realise later that it was pointless to resist them as it was not worth risking my life over a $3,000 withdrawal. They released me, and the other victim, two hours later.
Before my release, one of the kidnappers told me their targets were Hong Kongers, Singaporeans and Malaysians. These were the people they believed to be richer and they identified them by the way these nationalities wear a pouch bag.
It dawned on me that it had been a stupid move to have followed the woman into an unknown place.
I made a police report at the Changping police station but was not even given a carbon copy of my report.
Upon safely arriving back in Singapore, I obtained the assistance of the staff at the United Overseas Bank who gave me information on the location of the ATM in China and the time the robbers withdrew money from my account. I was hoping that the ATM surveillance camera had captured the faces of the robbers but to no avail.
For the next 10 days, I tried calling the Chinese investigating officer (IO) in charge of my case but was unsuccessful. Subsequently, as a last resort, I sought the help of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here.
When I finally got through to the Chinese IO recently, he told me that such investigations take time and that I have to be patient even though I had provided him with the ATM withdrawal details.
I am still recovering from the injuries I sustained from the punches to my head and body. I urge Singaporeans to take extra care when travelling to China and to stay alert when out in the streets. "
ROFLOL! When did CP becoming a shopping destination for Electronics and when was the last time you bought anything resembling hi-tech from a little old lady on the street? If the guy listened to himself talking, did he think "Am I a moron or are these so dumb that they believe me?"
Why would you even bother following up? He could have picked the original of the police report out of the trash if he wanted a copy. Did he think that he would recover the money back and the LE would kindly TT his money back to Singapore?
They rained only 30 punches on him in 2 hours. So the 14 inch dildo they shoved up his butt at the beginning didn't work?
I'll stick to shopping for electronics in Hong Kong, its safer.
StinkyFeet
11-03-10, 04:19
ROFLOL! When did CP becoming a shopping destination for Electronics and when was the last time you bought anything resembling hi-tech from a little old lady on the street?
didn't you know the electronics come with a young girl in CP? :D
if one were to read this thread one has yet to find a useful map of dg train station for orientation that locates the taxi stands and other local travel options. first time late night arrival is always tricky in any city and not just dg.
dg train station is actually two stations in one, long distance station and the sz - gz stations.
seaj incated the safety house away from the taxi stand and other locations to consider. a good idea is one is travelling very light.
yes, all baggage big and small pouch scan were in effect, no exceptions . few actual body scan and pocket feel were being conducted in sz, gz & dg stations.
other related issues:
airline rating based on this trip:
international portion:
1) cathy pacific ...international from hk
2) dragon air to hk... no soft drink on the flight
3) china southern international ...less than 29 inch seat spacing in some rows. unsafe condition for air travel. move around and walk around often.
china domestic portions: seat spacing
1) china eastern domestic
2) air china domestic
3) china southern domestic
swan vs. clipper foot message (48rmb + 2)
swan had a 80 minute package compared to clipper 60 minute. better massage staff at swan.
swan vs. clipper body message (198 rmb + 2)
clipper was in the oil massage.
optional clipper massage the price were higher than swan by 200 rmb due to the massage therapist skill rating.
can someone address this in greater detail for the benefit of the thread.
bars:
two nice bar down the road from the clipper opposite the direction of the swan on the same side. live music and place to have fancy drinks.
golf package:
i have no details but it seems possible with all the golf bags at clipper.
i usually walk out of the station, turn left and walk down the road a bit to catch a taxi on the street. those guys waiting outside are there to gouge you...
StinkyFeet
11-03-10, 04:57
An <pronoun> shares his <adjective> difficulties in <country> and warns potential <plural noun>.
Letter from <pronoun (suggestion - Mi Hung Lo)
05:55 AM Nov 03, 2010
ON OCT 12, I was heading to <pronoun> Airport when I decided to stop at <city>for some last-minute <verb +ing>.
While there, I was <past tense verb>, <colorful verb> and held <noun> for <number> <time>. I am writing this letter to share my experience with fellow <citizen> traveling to <country>.
An <adjective> woman approached me along a <adjective> street in <colorful pronoun> district to peddle some <noun> items. She told me more of her <plural noun> were kept elsewhere and <past tense verb> me into a nearby <adjective> house where a group of <noun> <verb> on me and <past tense verb> me up.
The <noun> told me they had also kidnapped another person, a <citizen>, who was in the room adjacent to where I was being held. They were not interested in the few hundred <noun> I had on me but went for my <noun> card and demanded my <acronym> number. I <past tense verb> and, for the next <number> hours, they rained more than <number> <verbal noun> on my <body part> and <body part>.
I came to realise later that it was pointless to <present tense verb> them as it was not worth risking my <body part> over a $<number> withdrawal. They released me, and the other victim, <number> <unit of time> later.
Before my release, one of the kidnappers told me their targets were <horny citizen>, <hornier citizen> and <horniest citizen>. These were the people they believed to be <comparative adjective> and they identified them by the way these nationalities <verb> a <adjective> <noun>.
It dawned on me that it had been a <colorful adjective> move to have followed the woman into an <adjective> place.
I made a police report at the <city> police station but was not even given a <adjective> copy of my report.
< you get the picture >......................
Upon safely arriving back in Singapore, I obtained the assistance of the staff at the United Overseas Bank who gave me information on the location of the ATM in China and the time the robbers withdrew money from my account. I was hoping that the ATM surveillance camera had captured the faces of the robbers but to no avail.
For the next 10 days, I tried calling the Chinese investigating officer (IO) in charge of my case but was unsuccessful. Subsequently, as a last resort, I sought the help of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs here.
When I finally got through to the Chinese IO recently, he told me that such investigations take time and that I have to be patient even though I had provided him with the ATM withdrawal details.
I am still recovering from the injuries I sustained from the punches to my head and body. I urge Singaporeans to take extra care when travelling to China and to stay alert when out in the streets. "
Summary Checklist for DG local travel: Danger Minimized?
Taxi fare: 10 to 25 RMB/
Operation period First Train to Last Train period
Typical 19 to 25 to RMB Clipper or Swan. (Day time)
Be aware of the danger in travel by DG cabs or other means.
Schedule?
Yellow Buses: 2 RMB
Jitney Motorcycle: 5 to 7 RMB
Reading Weelock's response one can see one has options to consider in a difficult situation like finding a safe ride to the hotel. The Yellow buses have particular route marking one might not be aware.
Jitney motorcycles or the Yellow bus location is not obvious from the DG train station taxi stand or what time period they run. The last train from GZ (10:52 pm) to DG, arrives at 11:22 pm, the unmarked taxi are available but not many metered. It is a zoo to say the least to find a cab or just a few unmarked available demanding very high fare.
Ref: Weelock
The local buses stop running around 11:30pm, some buses even earlier. Some hotels can also pick you up at the at train station free of charge. Note, that is IF there are not on any other run. One friend say he had to wait for 2 hours if he wanted a ride from his hotel.
If you have luggage and it's around 11:30pm and alone, I would suggest getting any taxi just to get out of the area with your belonging but make sure the are marked and not fake taxis. You are a target with your luggage.
BTW: Where is Pedestrian walk ?
- Well Shenzhen is well known for electronics- lower end products. But I don't know why he would go to "DG" for electronics. We all know what we all go to DG for...the good food and hospitable taxi drivers.
- Next time I'm not going to wear a pouch around my waist, it'll single me out as a rich overseas guy. I'm going to go to Pedestrian walk and start wearing clothes that locals wear so I can fit in- those tight $4 USD jeans and tight shirts that I couldn't even fit into when i was 14.
Man DG is getting so dangerous...oh wait, it's always been dangerous.
AsnDragon
ROFLOL! When did CP becoming a shopping destination for Electronics and when was the last time you bought anything resembling hi-tech from a little old lady on the street? If the guy listened to himself talking, did he think "Am I a moron or are these so dumb that they believe me?"
Why would you even bother following up? He could have picked the original of the police report out of the trash if he wanted a copy. Did he think that he would recover the money back and the LE would kindly TT his money back to Singapore?
They rained only 30 punches on him in 2 hours. So the 14 inch dildo they shoved up his butt at the beginning didn't work?
I'll stick to shopping for electronics in Hong Kong, its safer.
SE Asia Joe
11-03-10, 11:34
if one were to read this thread one has yet to find a useful map of dg train station for orientation that locates the taxi stands and other local travel ..............
just an addendum.
the dongguan/cp train station is actually 3 train stations - all with individual ticket selling booths and exit/entries.
one is for the hi-speed crh train between sz and gz/gze, another is for the long distance slow train and a third is for the direct hong kong to dgg/gze cross border train.
on the taxis - if you try to get a taxi from the taxi rank closest to the station (looks like an actual taxi rank) then they'll start their opening gambit with rmb 40 and you'll not succeed in getting it much lower unless its the very occassional times when they have a psb officer stationed to control this - but which rarely happens as then the taxis will not line up/there's no taxis!
what sardaukar1 is posting about the rmb 20-15 taxis (i think!!) are those which congregate haphazardly around the street corner just outside of the station perimeter - and actually these guys do not pay anything for the privlege of waiting around there - they're just sharks in cahoot to offer the same pricing. there's also the motorcycle drivers + the motorized trikes there too.
taxis i posted about are those you need to catch well outside of the station perimeter, across the street.
hope this helps
seaj
Man DG is getting so dangerous...oh wait, it's always been dangerous.
AsnDragonThat's a reason why always when I travel alone choose hotels with good quality sauna so, it is not necessary to look for an attractions outside.
AF
draft of a simple dg map to be expanded.
a few corrections already needed.
hope the map helps others with all the discussion.
just an addendum.
the dongguan/cp train station is actually 3 train stations - all with individual ticket selling booths and exit/entries.
one is for the hi-speed crh train between sz and gz/gze, another is for the long distance slow train and a third is for the direct hong kong to dgg/gze cross border train.
on the taxis - if you try to get a taxi from the taxi rank closest to the station (looks like an actual taxi rank) then they'll start their opening gambit with rmb 40 and you'll not succeed in getting it much lower unless its the very occassional times when they have a psb officer stationed to control this - but which rarely happens as then the taxis will not line up/there's no taxis!
what sardaukar1 is posting about the rmb 20-15 taxis (i think!!) are those which congregate haphazardly around the street corner just outside of the station perimeter - and actually these guys do not pay anything for the privlege of waiting around there - they're just sharks in cahoot to offer the same pricing. there's also the motorcycle drivers + the motorized trikes there too.
taxis i posted about are those you need to catch well outside of the station perimeter, across the street.
hope this helps
seaj
just an addendum.
the dongguan/cp train station is actually 3 train stations - all with individual ticket selling booths and exit/entries.
one is for the hi-speed crh train between sz and gz/gze, another is for the long distance slow train and a third is for the direct hong kong to dgg/gze cross border train.
seaj
another tip, there are 6 kinds of trains (noted by train/route number):
1) number-only = regular train (slow)
2) kxxxx or nxxxx = fast train
3) dxxxx or txxxx = crh express train (faster than kxxxx and nxxxx)
4) zxxxxx = direct train (i think this means 1st stop is your destination)
5) yxxxx = tourist train
6) lxxxx = temporary train (during high travel season, they might run extra trains for the heavy traffic, or temporary routes)
crh express would be #3 and would be dxxxx or txxxx on the route name and ticket (90% it is dxxxx).
just remember that "dick" starts with "d", and you're on the fast(est) train. so does "dar"... coincidence or not !?
dar
Sardaukar1
11-04-10, 03:08
Actually I was posting about the taxis that wait at the taxi rank... they used to quote 20rmb before the renovation. So now apparently it has risen to 40.
On the taxis - if you try to get a taxi from the taxi rank closest to the station (looks like an actual taxi rank) then they'll start their opening gambit with RMB 40 and you'll not succeed in getting it much lower unless its the very occassional times when they have a PSB officer stationed to control this - but which rarely happens as then the taxis will NOT line up/there's no taxis!
What Sardaukar1 is posting about the RMB 20-15 taxis (I THINK!!) are those which congregate haphazardly around the street corner just outside of the station perimeter - and actually these guys do NOT pay anything for the privlege of waiting around there - they're just sharks in cahoot to offer the same pricing. There's also the Motorcycle drivers + the motorized trikes there too.
Just an addendum.
The Dongguan/CP train station is actually 3 train stations - all with individual ticket selling booths and exit/entries.
SEAJ
There is also a completely different train station about I think a 20 minute drive out of town. I think it is called the DongGuan East Station. There, a few years ago, I bought an overnight sleeper ticket to Xiamen. The return to DongGuan daytime ride went through some very scenic countryside.
Landmark clarification needed for the map. For example other hotel, BBS, KTV and sauna locations. Danger alley to be defined.
PM or posting is fine,
Sukhumvitter
11-04-10, 09:40
Just in case anyone wants to know....
Bus 14 goes from the train station, past the YaLan, then turns right at the corner where JoJo had her shop above the convenience store. It goes right past the intersection of Swan Lake Road which is where the Swan Lake hotel, the Clipper hotel, and the Manhattan Hotel are located.
Bus 7 runs on the main road between the Swan Lake area to the Miraton area.
Bus 1 or 2 goes from the Miraton area to the train station.
Cost : 1 RMB
I like to take buses for the low hassle factor. You know where the bus is going so no need to explain where to go to a taxi driver who may or may not understand you. And there is no argument about using the meter or overcharging.
I use them exclusively from the train station because I don't like the hard-sell taxi drivers. Also, if you try to avoid the line of taxis by walking a block or two the taxi's won't pick you up. Maybe they are afraid of reprisals from some taxi mafia.
So the bus is the easiest for me when traveling from the train station.
Sukhumvitter,
Thanks for introducing us to the bus route in CP. But honestly, how many brothers here actually use the bus to go to the train station..or to anywhere in CP?
I think I have only taken the bus twice- first time was out of curiosity and the second time was to another far off town in DG, which in that case the bus is quite convenient.
AsnDragon
Just in case anyone wants to know....
Bus 14 goes from the train station, past the YaLan, then turns right at the corner where JoJo had her shop above the convenience store. It goes right past the intersection of Swan Lake Road which is where the Swan Lake hotel, the Clipper hotel, and the Manhattan Hotel are located.
Bus 7 runs on the main road between the Swan Lake area to the Miraton area.
Bus 1 or 2 goes from the Miraton area to the train station.
Cost : 1 RMB
I like to take buses for the low hassle factor. You know where the bus is going so no need to explain where to go to a taxi driver who may or may not understand you. And there is no argument about using the meter or overcharging.
I use them exclusively from the train station because I don't like the hard-sell taxi drivers. Also, if you try to avoid the line of taxis by walking a block or two the taxi's won't pick you up. Maybe they are afraid of reprisals from some taxi mafia.
So the bus is the easiest for me when traveling from the train station.
Is exact change required on the buses ?
Swan Lake Area:
Clipper Hotel
Swan Lake Hotel
Manhattan Hotel
Miraton Area?
Just in case anyone wants to know....
Bus 14 goes from the train station, past the YaLan, then turns right at the corner where JoJo had her shop above the convenience store. It goes right past the intersection of Swan Lake Road which is where the Swan Lake hotel, the Clipper hotel, and the Manhattan Hotel are located.
Bus 7 runs on the main road between the Swan Lake area to the Miraton area.
Bus 1 or 2 goes from the Miraton area to the train station.
Cost : 1 RMB
So the bus is the easiest for me when traveling from the train station.
Sukhumvitter,
Thanks for introducing us to the bus route in CP. But honestly, how many brothers here actually use the bus to go to the train station..or to anywhere in CP?
I think I have only taken the bus twice- first time was out of curiosity and the second time was to another far off town in DG, which in that case the bus is quite convenient.
AsnDragonThanks Sukumvitter for the bus details.
I take the bus too but usually not to the train/bus stations. The price is 2rmb. One time I remember taking these yellow buses was when a long distance bus dropped me off at the other major bus station in CP. (WTF I was lost ) This bus station is about 15 mins away from the train station. It was the first time I was at this station and I didn't recognize anything. The girl said this was CP and I reluctantly got off. Then I saw the yellow CP buses and asked to check. I then took the number 2 bus to my hotel.
Normally when I leave CP, the hotels drive me to train station. I could called them to pick me up also but it takes too long for them to show up.
Anyway, it's just another form of transportation to take while in CP. I would take a motorcycle taxi to get around over a regular taxi but they banned them.
Pineapple Slice
11-05-10, 01:39
Hi All!
Just read the last 50 pages or so on this thread, the information i've gotton has beed alot to take in seeing i've been to CP once, and that was with a friend a while back.
I'm going to Hong Kong on the 12Nov and planning CP on the 13-17Nov , are any of you fellow guys gonna be in CP? maybe we can hang out, get some girly action and maybe help me out in showing me the ropes? =D
I will be traveling by myself and at worst i'll be in saunas everyday coz it's SAFE and 1person KTV is gay lol >.<
I'm also gonna try get in touch with BSD seeing all the recomendations from fellow bros.
Bros,
I will be traveling to CP-SZ areas on the above dates.
Been there, this is the 3rd time.
Understand a lot of low profile activity lately in the areas. Hope it alright during the dates.
Like to explore more KTVs and Saunas, looking for big breast gals, threesome actions. Bros, can pm me any girls or mummies or daddies contacts ka?
I have fuhao, manhattan, Mei bao, Mayflower contacts to exchange.
Malia Jones
11-06-10, 17:45
I would definitely recommend you call up BSD. I will write a report in the next day about my CP adventures as I was was just in CP where Dave took care of everything. Dave is hooked up in CP, knows the latest 411 and always has a group of friends in town.
Hi All!
Just read the last 50 pages or so on this thread, the information i've gotton has beed alot to take in seeing i've been to CP once, and that was with a friend a while back.
I'm going to Hong Kong on the 12Nov and planning CP on the 13-17Nov , are any of you fellow guys gonna be in CP? maybe we can hang out, get some girly action and maybe help me out in showing me the ropes? =D
I will be traveling by myself and at worst i'll be in saunas everyday coz it's SAFE and 1person KTV is gay lol >.<
I'm also gonna try get in touch with BSD seeing all the recomendations from fellow bros.
Suryav:
Is it possible you could covert the three GEs maps to single DG diagram type (not to scale) with the two train tain station and bus locations with little effort.
S7
Here are some maps you may find useful for your first trip to Changping.
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SE Asia Joe
11-07-10, 06:31
Just heard that the Ou Ya had just increased their pricing - at least during this heavy Canton Fair/Asian Games period - to:
2/5/8 now 2/6/9
3/6/9/ now 3/7/10
Model category now 5/15/20
Correct or not?
Any other KTV's doing similar?
SEAJ
Website with hotel info, transfer, and all you can drink packages
www . havefuninchina . com
Pineapple Slice
11-08-10, 14:56
I would definitely recommend you call up BSD. I will write a report in the next day about my CP adventures as I was was just in CP where Dave took care of everything. Dave is hooked up in CP, knows the latest 411 and always has a group of friends in town.Yeah seems like my plan, I'd already emailed him and waiting for a reply and if he doesn't reply I'll probably call him when I get to Hong Kong.
Can somebody help me out on chooseing a Hotel to stay at? Probably a Sub 400rmb room near that 'main st' (hou jie?) . < I'm probably worn with that name.
Though I'm after some place in the middle of 'most' attractions.
Also with the Asia games coming soon, should I be scared to go out to Sunas/KTV from random crackdowns?
Either way one more week to go and I'm still kinda scared going to CP by myself but I just need to not venture out by myself I guess.
Yes tons of useless information. Read up on iso package.
http://misteryong.wordpress.com/
Good Luck
Website with hotel info, transfer, and all you can drink packages
www . havefuninchina . com
Took a 3 day R n R to CP for some sunshine and yeah, what else, right?
Day 1
Arrived at Hui Hua KTV and met up with some friends. Saw SEAJ looking spritely but not like his usual self of running around the room groping and singing out of tune. His date made a tamed man outta him, I guess. Usual fun, pretty gals, MP3 songs, singing, drinking, and games. After KTV, went home with gal, but she got some call and left within 5 minutes of entering my room. Unfortunately, Jett and his date saw her leaving and thought it was one of the quickest quickies they've seen. Since it was 3 am, I had to call from my limited Rolodex of gals and fortunately was able to find someone to come over. She came over and salvaged the night. She was from Jin Long and I've had her short-time before but she got better so I kept her until the morning as well.
Day 2
Went on a chicken run with Smoother Better and some other guy who only reads but has not yet posted (Post, dammit!!). Saw two BBS moved so we did the cautious thing. One person stayed outside, while the other two went inside. The BBS is in front of the Swan Lake (not directly, but in those alleys), but not one which we were familiar with. So vets like smoother who has been in CP for many years advised we don't get too relaxed in going into these places. We found some great talents in the Yalan area and had a good time.
Evening, went to Fu Hao and had some fun gals party with us. BigSwininDave took control of the party with games and drinking fun but no one got drunk, just a good fun night. Jett took a very hot gal for a quickie and some guys selected 3 very hot gals each. I took a gal who BSD said was my type and damn him he was right. Took her home and she was freakin shy. I had to chat her up for over an hour, stroking her and talking sweetness to her to get her to relax. Good thing I already had an afternoon romp or else I'd just put on condom and do her, but I was patient and it all paid off. She was so affectionate and enjoyable that I could sense the newness in her. Great GFE and enjoyable even the next morning.
Day 3
Went to Mayflower and this time Hungryguy took like 5 gals! That man's a maniac, but a great wing man as he patiently walked me through the hundreds of gals to help me pick my date. Needless to say, I suck at picking, but he helped me get a great gal. BSD brought in two Europeans and we all got along great, but their dates were kinda intimidated by all the English. Regardless, they took their gals home and that's all that matters.
I took my gal back and found out she's another shy one. Geez, are the KTV's offering newer talent these days? I'd like some gals with skillz pleaze. Anyway, I had to cajole her to take off the towel and let me roam her body which showed off some very nice nipples. Not as GFE as Day 2, but seems she was so new she came pretty hard. I was on a roll as she started losing her control and released a stench of body odor and her chest kinda blushed with blood. She was not used to staying overnight so I let her go for short time. Needed a gal to accompany me so made another call to get a gal over at 3 am. I love CP.
Overall, a good weekend trip. Saw some good friends and hooked up with some fun gals in KTVs. For BBSs, I'll let PointPanic give his report as we found some well-stocked BBSs with mommies I have not seen in a long time. And these are at locations new from previous locations. Those who are new and those who are veterans should take caution when finding/going into BBSs.
Bruce,
Glad you have having a blast. Man it seems like the whole gang is meeting up. Man, I'm so itching to book a flight and fly over right now. With all the veterans together, especially with you and Pointpanic, both crazy partiers, it must be a fun atmosphere.
Wow...any drama as you went back to Fuhao? if you know what I mean...
AsnDragon
Took a 3 day R n R to CP for some sunshine and yeah, what else, right?
Day 1
Arrived at Hui Hua KTV and met up with some friends. Saw SEAJ looking spritely but not like his usual self of running around the room groping and singing out of tune. His date made a tamed man outta him, I guess. Usual fun, pretty gals, MP3 songs, singing, drinking, and games. After KTV, went home with gal, but she got some call and left within 5 minutes of entering my room. Unfortunately, Jett and his date saw her leaving and thought it was one of the quickest quickies they've seen. Since it was 3 am, I had to call from my limited Rolodex of gals and fortunately was able to find someone to come over. She came over and salvaged the night. She was from Jin Long and I've had her short-time before but she got better so I kept her until the morning as well.
Day 2
Went on a chicken run with Smoother Better and some other guy who only reads but has not yet posted (Post, dammit!!). Saw two BBS moved so we did the cautious thing. One person stayed outside, while the other two went inside. The BBS is in front of the Swan Lake (not directly, but in those alleys), but not one which we were familiar with. So vets like smoother who has been in CP for many years advised we don't get too relaxed in going into these places. We found some great talents in the Yalan area and had a good time.
Evening, went to Fu Hao and had some fun gals party with us. BigSwininDave took control of the party with games and drinking fun but no one got drunk, just a good fun night. Jett took a very hot gal for a quickie and some guys selected 3 very hot gals each. I took a gal who BSD said was my type and damn him he was right. Took her home and she was freakin shy. I had to chat her up for over an hour, stroking her and talking sweetness to her to get her to relax. Good thing I already had an afternoon romp or else I'd just put on condom and do her, but I was patient and it all paid off. She was so affectionate and enjoyable that I could sense the newness in her. Great GFE and enjoyable even the next morning.
Day 3
Went to Mayflower and this time Hungryguy took like 5 gals! That man's a maniac, but a great wing man as he patiently walked me through the hundreds of gals to help me pick my date. Needless to say, I suck at picking, but he helped me get a great gal. BSD brought in two Europeans and we all got along great, but their dates were kinda intimidated by all the English. Regardless, they took their gals home and that's all that matters.
I took my gal back and found out she's another shy one. Geez, are the KTV's offering newer talent these days? I'd like some gals with skillz pleaze. Anyway, I had to cajole her to take off the towel and let me roam her body which showed off some very nice nipples. Not as GFE as Day 2, but seems she was so new she came pretty hard. I was on a roll as she started losing her control and released a stench of body odor and her chest kinda blushed with blood. She was not used to staying overnight so I let her go for short time. Needed a gal to accompany me so made another call to get a gal over at 3 am. I love CP.
Overall, a good weekend trip. Saw some good friends and hooked up with some fun gals in KTVs. For BBSs, I'll let PointPanic give his report as we found some well-stocked BBSs with mommies I have not seen in a long time. And these are at locations new from previous locations. Those who are new and those who are veterans should take caution when finding/going into BBSs.
Are the crackdown over in Dongguan?
I'm planning on visiting in 2 weeks
Thanks
Wow...any drama ...
Nice work, detective! Had to plan my escape routes and all to avoid her. But was able to get 3 nights of freedom before reuniting with my regular and the last few days were spent with her. She's getting way too possessive tho and with so many great talents in CP, it's just not worth it to be with the game gal night in and night out.
PointPanic is ready for some fun. So will a few more hardcore vets. Ask BSDave for info as he's always on top of things. But if you gonna make a trip, it's in November or bust. Rock n' Roll, baby!!
Swan Lake area is still where a lot of action is at. Mayflower is still brimming with sheer number of gals, but the mommies have remained ever so pushy in having their gals hang on to you. But many of them are pretty anyway so it's hard to choose just one.
Jettsetter
11-09-10, 01:00
Being back has given me somewhat CP Blues.. although I set new records for time spent in CP... (well as far as most of the regulars are concerned)... I'm talking about being in CP straight.. hehe... (I think it was at least 4 weeks straigth and 12 weeks with two one week short trips to US and Thailand).
I know that some of the regulars, will be back in late November... I am itching to try to go back for a week before I have to actually start heavy on my work. Perhaps the last week of Nov/ first week of December...
If everyone wants to try to zero in on that time frame, I'm down. My new system, since I now have a regular in CP (I know, i'm stupid, but I've gotta say that it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation as it really does get old after a while with P4P), is to go alone to the KTV, party it up a bit, take a gal for ST in an ST room (100 RMB extra), and go home to sleep with your regular...
LEt me know when the time frames work and we can make a go of it. I'm at 50/50 right now... it all depends on airline ticket costs and timing.
ManonsanBoy
11-09-10, 01:39
Any morality campaign at the moment?
Meiguoguizi
11-09-10, 02:20
A new holiday tradition.
Stuff a few birds
How's the crack down scene?
Is Dongguan still the place to be, or should I try other areas?
Thanks
If anyone wants to hang out let me know.
Downunder96
11-09-10, 13:12
jett,
Nice meeting you the other night at huihua ktv along with a bunch of boys from sydney! perhaps we may meet again. i was in china for 3 weeks but very much tied up with regular gf as well n went up north for holiday!
cheers
du96
Being back has given me somewhat CP Blues.. although I set new records for time spent in CP... (well as far as most of the regulars are concerned)... I'm talking about being in CP straight.. hehe... (I think it was at least 4 weeks straigth and 12 weeks with two one week short trips to US and Thailand).
LEt me know when the time frames work and we can make a go of it. I'm at 50/50 right now... it all depends on airline ticket costs and timing.
Andrew Lowa
11-09-10, 16:52
Website with hotel info, transfer, and all you can drink packages
www.havefuninchina.comI have checked out this havefuninchina website. They have some really really good all you can drink deals. I am going to try them out tomorrow night. And they put groups together as well. Isn't this similar to what Lucky hotel room 508 is offering as well and also the guides are Mariton hotel as well.
It seems like an average all you can drink deal at pretty much all KTV's are 250 which is an average of what i have been paying for the last few months anyways. I have yet to pay anything more than 300 for any KTV night yet.
I heard other people are being charged a lot more for some special vip service and are being scared into thinking they will get robbed or kidnapped if they don't use services from them as if they are the only people in town who can protect them.
Get a grip people.
Looter comes in many forms nowa days, don't you think? Even in the form of so called Guides.
Andrew
SE Asia Joe
11-09-10, 18:22
OK – here’s a report….on bargains galore in Chang Ping!!!
So here we were, having a merry old time having a celebration for our buddy’s birthday at the Boton behind the cultural center. Great food, great drinks, great company, lotsa laughter and merriment….and before we knew it, it was already 10 o’clock. The Birthday boy had two gals, some others had their single …. And left in the lurch - 3 of us guys without companion…..!!! Yowich!!
WOT???!!! SEAJ without a companion? YUP –true and correctomo – I just sent Bing Bing on her way and felt like just being by my lonely old self. So what? So WOT?? You got a problem with that buddy? You got a Problem???!!
Now what the heck was 3 single lonely guys gonna do - too early to call it a night and yet too late to get a KTV room. Ahhhhh…. Plan B! And NOOOOOO…. Not a sauna….too easy, too plebian, too de-riguer. So we decided to do something which we’d not done in ages. Go to the Peninsula and sit at the Main room!! Ahhhh…. A cheap night!! Why the heck not?
So here we were, 3 guys and the mommies bringing out all the rejects and the ones booted out of the KTV rooms for whatever reason – and guess what??!! Man I’d forgotten how some of these rejects cud actually be pretty good….. and desperate…really desperate to get an “assignment.” And wild…really wild!! In plain sight of everybody in the big room…amazing!! And guess what???!!! Just on a hunch, I asked one of my regular mommies to bring for my ABC friend (who doesn’t speak any Chinese at all) all the English speaking gals in the joint – and PRESTO! 2 gals greeting my friend in English magically appears!!
Just like that!!
And one of them was cute as a button and of course my friend sat this one. Cutey…real cutey who BTW also speaks Cantonese as she is from Guangxi! Top it all off, she’s an ex-footsy gal and only on her third night as a KTV gal….and she’s happy to start massaging my buddy even whilst just sitting with him! Lucky DOG!!
We watched the show, we listened to the singing (HEY….lots better than the off-key singing – mine? -one ALWAYS hears in the KTV rooms!!), participated in the tom foolery…and drank and drank some more!! And then a friend of the cutey English speaker appears; and talk about cuties…. She’s also another li’l cutey….and my friend’s eyes lit up like 2 spot lights!! Man…. he was ……besotted!!
He then asks me: What do I do, what do I do?? MAN… what kind of question is that….”what do I do??” Take both of them of course, Dummy!! So here’s my buddy, with a gal on each of his lap and both hands groping their boobs and comparing and discussing the relative merits of each cutey’s boobies. One second not knowing what to do, another second grabbing boobies and slobbering all over!! Man, these guys!!!
I like both of them, I LOVE both of them, I cain’t decide which one I want to take back to the room and ravage!!! What do I do now…??? Again with the stoooopid question!! Take both of them Dummy!! WHAT???? Both??? Yeah BOTH – what’s wrong with that???!! One to do, the other to translate; switch and do the English speaking one and the other to translate by body language – wot’s wrong with that??? JEEEEEZZZ!!
Hold on, hold on…. Let me make you a deal with them… get you a bit of insurance for you.
OK girls – here’s the deal! You both get to go back with my buddy … and both of you are gonna service him well together. Got it??!!
Yes, yes, of course we’ll take care of your buddy – KTV Girl Scout’s honour, cross our pretty li’l hearts and hope to die!!
Yeah yeah yeah….welll…. here’s the other part of the deal… both of you service him and whoever services better gets to spend the night…and get 800 kwai for the night. BUT the loser is gonna get kicked out AND only get 400 kwai i/o 500. Deal?
Errmmm… errrmmm… yes, OK. YES OK!! DEAL!! We’ll both make your friend’s head…and everything else spin and spun and washed and dried!!
Hooraayyy… SEAJ… You dog you… you went and did another good ‘un – owe you another one!!
And so it was to be!!
And so it was to be that we asked for the bill…which for the 3 of us, drinking as much beer as we could handle in a couple hours (doggone it…I’m bloated!!) only came to 240 kwai!! Really – 80 bucks a piece for a couple hours of fun fun fun!!
And so it was that I now find myself back here typing away (am waiting for my …….. friend gal to get off work and spend the night – a DJ friend mine sat with me for quite a bit of the time and thus I didn’t even have to pay any sitting fee! El cheapo eh?? Gerroff your hi-horse!!).
And so it was…. That I herewith ask the question…did we have a good time or did we have a good time?? And did we do it all on the el-cheapo or did we not do it on the el-cheapo??
And NOooooo… no pictures – not unless my buddy with the double header sends me some of his session tomorrow or ?? Gonna put my pure lousy report-writing skills to the ultimate test….. you guys!!
Muahahah!! Fire AWAY!!!
seaj (in small letters!!)
Pointpanic
11-09-10, 20:34
Thanks for your help this evening as I really wasn't up to much having been working so hard on my other project before getting here. Thanks also to Jim Traveler for the wonderful idea to hit the Penn showroom as I am not much of a dice player because of my limited vocabulary so I though the whole experience was great. Such a deal. You guys really made my night. The winner is sound asleep but it was a hard fought battle as both were angling to stay the evening. Its been awhile since I have had two work on me at the same time but it was just great. In the end cutie pie let me have a few snaps and off she went after leaving her adrdess and "I love yous." The Sichuan beauty just had more advanced skills. But they were both extremely GFE and will call on both of them again. And all for an 80 rmb bill . By the way I thought Jim T's was a real classic beauty also. Thank you guys!
Point
OK – here’s a report….on bargains galore in Chang Ping!!!
So here we were, having a merry old time having a celebration for our buddy’s birthday at the Boton behind the cultural center. Great food, great drinks, great company, lotsa laughter and merriment….and before we knew it, it was already 10 o’clock. The Birthday boy had two gals, some others had their single …. And left in the lurch - 3 of us guys without companion…..!!! Yowich!!
Just like that!!
And one of them was cute as a button and of course my friend sat this one. Cutey…real cutey who BTW also speaks Cantonese as she is from Guangxi! Top it all off, she’s an ex-footsy gal and only on her third night as a KTV gal….and she’s happy to start massaging my buddy even whilst just sitting with him! Lucky DOG!!
We watched the show, we listened to the singing (HEY….lots better than the off-key singing – mine? -one ALWAYS hears in the KTV rooms!!), participated in the tom foolery…and drank and drank some more!! And then a friend of the cutey English speaker appears; and talk about cuties…. She’s also another li’l cutey….and my friend’s eyes lit up like 2 spot lights!! Man…. he was ……besotted!!
He then asks me: What do I do, what do I do?? MAN… what kind of question is that….”what do I do??” Take both of them of course, Dummy!! So here’s my buddy, with a gal on each of his lap and both hands groping their boobs and comparing and discussing the relative merits of each cutey’s boobies. One second not knowing what to do, another second grabbing boobies and slobbering all over!! Man, these guys!!!
I like both of them, I LOVE both of them, I cain’t decide which one I want to take back to the room and ravage!!! What do I do now…??? Again with the stoooopid question!! Take both of them Dummy!! WHAT???? Both??? Yeah BOTH – what’s wrong with that???!! One to do, the other to translate; switch and do the English speaking one and the other to translate by body language – wot’s wrong with that??? JEEEEEZZZ!!
Hold on, hold on…. Let me make you a deal with them… get you a bit of insurance for you.
OK girls – here’s the deal! You both get to go back with my buddy … and both of you are gonna service him well together. Got it??!!
Yes, yes, of course we’ll take care of your buddy – KTV Girl Scout’s honour, cross our pretty li’l hearts and hope to die!!
Yeah yeah yeah….welll…. here’s the other part of the deal… both of you service him and whoever services better gets to spend the night…and get 800 kwai for the night. BUT the loser is gonna get kicked out AND only get 400 kwai i/o 500. Deal?
Errmmm… errrmmm… yes, OK. YES OK!! DEAL!! We’ll both make your friend’s head…and everything else spin and spun and washed and dried!!
Hooraayyy… SEAJ… You dog you… you went and did another good ‘un – owe you another one!!
And so it was to be!!
And so it was to be that we asked for the bill…which for the 3 of us, drinking as much beer as we could handle in a couple hours (doggone it…I’m bloated!!) only came to 240 kwai!! Really – 80 bucks a piece for a couple hours of fun fun fun!!
And NOooooo… no pictures – not unless my buddy with the double header sends me some of his session tomorrow or ?? Gonna put my pure lousy report-writing skills to the ultimate test….. you guys!!
Muahahah!! Fire AWAY!!!
seaj (in small letters!!)
Here is the sauna card at huihua for review with translation thanks to another member on another forum..
some words are not clear but i have tried my best to translate some of the meanings...
1) The word not clear…. But 3mins service
2) 1 min, wet tissue to clean ear, hand, feet, butt
3) 2 mins, body message
4) 5mins, message your back, hand, shoulder and waist
5) 2mins, hand message
6) 6 mins, warm water in mouth to clean body
7) 5 mins, mild scratch body
8) 5mins, kiss butt hole
9) 2 mins, bj
10) 2 mins, body message
11) 5 mins, words not clear… something like bj
12) 2 mins, bj, cat style
13) 2 mins, sex with your toe - condom on the toe
14) 2 mins, boobs hand job
15) 2 mins, hot water bj I guess
16) 5 mins… not sure what it means… 4 dragons??
17) 2 mins, bj cross with hot and cold water
18) 2 mins, bj
19) 20 mins, sex with 18 styles
20) 2 mins… words not clear.
Any updates appreciated...
Fast Eddie 48
11-10-10, 07:28
How's the crack down scene?
Is Dongguan still the place to be, or should I try other areas?
Thanks
If anyone wants to hang out let me know.Mike
There are alway crack down in CP no one know when it will happen with the Asian game this week, if you are scare then just stay home.
Fast Eddie 48
Does anyone know if I can just walk to the hotel/ktv such as Fuhao, and ask them if they have any all inclusive package for two people without going to the guides? The reason why I like this is I will know exactly how much to pay at the end of the night.
By the way how much are hotel stays per night at Fuhao? Is it still 2/5/8 3/6/9?
Jettsetter
11-10-10, 11:24
I have checked out this havefuninchina website. They have some really really good all you can drink deals. I am going to try them out tomorrow night. And they put groups together as well. Isn't this similar to what Lucky hotel room 508 is offering as well and also the guides are Mariton hotel as well.
It seems like an average all you can drink deal at pretty much all KTV's are 250 which is an average of what i have been paying for the last few months anyways. I have yet to pay anything more than 300 for any KTV night yet.
I heard other people are being charged a lot more for some special vip service and are being scared into thinking they will get robbed or kidnapped if they don't use services from them as if they are the only people in town who can protect them.
Get a grip people.
Looter comes in many forms nowa days, don't you think? Even in the form of so called Guides.
Andrew
I just checked out the website and looked at their pricing structure.. the only all you can drink that I saw was 300 - for Red Wine and 7-up... and it's only from 6:30 to midnight... after which everything stops... in other words, if you want to party later. it's out of pocket. - there's also a 50RMB surcharge for Fri/Sat/Sun at certain KTV's (HH and Eurasia) seem to be the two...
If you're not willing to drink Red Wine (no brand specified) - and 7-up Sangria... and it's beer you seek, you have to pay 300 and you only get for 5 people 36 cans of beer... Now you'd think for 5 guys that's enough, but if each guy has a girl that's 10 people with an average of 3.6 cans per person... don't forget that DJ's will drink from the stock as will hosts and hostesses... and there's lots of beer wasted...
Plus the rules say yo ucan bring up to two ladies for free, so that may end up being 12-15 people for 36 beers? that's um 2 cans per person... not going to get you very far in the KTV.
So you're paying 300 to 350 for a few sips of beer? and you call this is a good deal???
I think what's best is to just read the fine print... Now if you're into drinking wine, it may be a pretty good value... but they said any extra bottles after midnight are charged 150 per bottle including 7-up... seems cheap... not sure what kind of wine it is... I'm a little hesitant about cheap wine... after all, we all know in the states "2 buck chuck" right? so Iguess it makes sense...
But as far as beer goes... gotta read the fine print ...
not sure how the other places in CP are like that do the "all you can drink" but this establishment is NOT one of them.
-J
As for the BEER packages.. they said 300 RMB
Andrew Lowa
11-10-10, 17:33
Hey Guys,
I have tried out this havefuninchina guys tonight. Its not bad. I sat two girls at fuhao and they didn't charge me extra as it says on the website. I took their red wine deal. They were serving GreatWall wine, year 2009. I guess it was the cheapest of the GreatWall bunch but at least it wasn't some no name brand. I left around 11pm as I like to have energy left for other activities later. I paid 300Rmb for the evening.
I still think though that the deal from Lucky 508 is better among all the rest of the all you can drink deals.
Here's the price list I got from them:
Fuhao: white wine-250, red wine 300
Taoyuan: white wine-250, red wine 300
Mayflower: white wine-250, red wine 300
EuroAsia: white wine 280, red wine 320
They have a whole list of others but I personally prefer to go to only those four as I think the selection is much better in these KTV's
They always take the money upfront and they don't recommend you to bring too much money with you incase you get too drunk and loose your walet or something. In terms of Red Wine, they provide some brand called Changyu Wine. I don't really know this brand so I guess someone else can comment about this if its any good. I am not that big of a wine drinker so I don't know too much about Chinese wine market. In terms of White wine, I have no idea what they offer as I don't drink white wine.
I have been to Lucky 508 at Tao Yin hotel 8 times now in the last two months and I must say that they are the cheapest. I would like to get other peoples opinions on what they think of them and have they tried others services from them. I saw on the board that they have all these sauna packages but I didn't try them out at their place.
In regards to cheap deals, I really enjoyed SEAJ's comments on his visit to the hotel P. My buddy and I have tried out the lounge area at Taoyuan a few times now. Since we were just the two of us, we went and picked up the girl and headed for the lounge rather than a KTV room. The music was great and it only cost us for whatever we drank which is beer usually. They charge 15rmb per bottle of beer. If you order 24pack you get one pack of 12 for free which is a sweet deal.
I think most ktv's offer the buy two dozen and get the third free deals except for EuroAisa where they not only charge more for the girls but only offer free dozen after your first 4 dozen. That's a lot of beer.
Clipper hotel also has the Lounge area at their KTV but the selection of flowers is no where as close as mayflower or fuhao. They also offer the 15rmb for beer and buy two dozen and get the third free deals.
Andrew Lowa
Andrew Lowa
11-11-10, 04:44
Hey guys,
Four white guys and three local friends out in town, decided to book a room at mayflower. We all decided to go with beer rather than wine or the hard stuff.
Some guys were sitting two girls. So a total of 16/17 people in room. It was getting crowded but that's the way we like it.
Fuhao's minimum charge for the room is around around 700 to 800rmb. We went well over that so it was no worries.
We ordered two fruit plates and a whole bunch of snacks (180rmb)
We had one host/dj (200Rmb)
Fuhao has this deal where you order two dozen of beer, you get one dozen free. I have come across this at a few KTV's, can anyone verify that this is avaliable at ALL KTV's? Or just the few that I have been to. I have noticed this at mayflower as well and another place call Vanables KTV, Clipper KTV has this deal as well?
We ordered four dozen and got two free. At the end of the evening, the guys wanted some more beer so we got another dozen, Totaling 900 for beer for 84 bottles of bud.
Total bill among 7 guys was 1280rmb, well under 190 per person. We had a blast and still had beer left over at 2am.
Andrew Lowa
CP141,
i wouldn't recommend just going up to Fuhao and asking for an all inclusive package. If KTVs know that you are a newbie, they will usually upcharge you because they know you don't know their establishment's pricing structure. This has happened to me several times at KTVs all around CP, Dongguan towns and other places in China.
In my experience, places like Mayflower would take advantage of you. Mommies and managers come in and drink up all of your alcohol so you have to order more. Girls have a requirement of 1 drink a day or they will be fined 15 rmb, they in turn will try to coax you to buy them 1 drink. The list goes on and on and you end up with a bill of $3000 plus RMB bill at the end of the night for only 2-3 guys and you're wondering what happened. Don't get ripped off.
It's better if you go with a veteran and he'll show you the ropes and you can get a feel for what to do if you want to go solo. BSD can show you around, he's got parties all the time set up.
AsnDragon
Does anyone know if I can just walk to the hotel/ktv such as Fuhao, and ask them if they have any all inclusive package for two people without going to the guides? The reason why I like this is I will know exactly how much to pay at the end of the night.
By the way how much are hotel stays per night at Fuhao? Is it still 2/5/8 3/6/9?
Point,
I told you you should have gone back to CP for some good action before the end of the year. Life's short live it up! glad you are having a blast there. Can't wait to view some of your photos.
AsnDragon
Thanks for your help this evening as I really wasn't up to much having been working so hard on my other project before getting here. Thanks also to Jim Traveler for the wonderful idea to hit the Penn showroom as I am not much of a dice player because of my limited vocabulary so I though the whole experience was great. Such a deal. You guys really made my night. The winner is sound asleep but it was a hard fought battle as both were angling to stay the evening. Its been awhile since I have had two work on me at the same time but it was just great. In the end cutie pie let me have a few snaps and off she went after leaving her adrdess and "I love yous." The Sichuan beauty just had more advanced skills. But they were both extremely GFE and will call on both of them again. And all for an 80 rmb bill . By the way I thought Jim T's was a real classic beauty also. Thank you guys!
Point
Hey anyone have a hotel recommendation in Donguan?
How much are the rates?
I have a place to stay in Guangzhou, but figure it's not worth the travel time
Thanks
Is it still 2/5/8 3/6/9?Hi,
I'm not familiar with that term, what does it mean?
Thanks
I'm beginning to think that the alcohol that is sold in these KTV establishment is fake, or some watered down, with additional cheaper additives mixed inside of them.
I don't see how you can have an all you can drink red or white wine special for that price.
As we all know, especially Santa knows, the beer they sell at that street vendor stand that sells oysters across from Swan Lake, they sold their beers so cheap to the point it was ridiculous. You have to start suspecting that the alcohol is somewhat fishy.
Many times, I get a real bad headache when I drink red wine in CP. I mean really bad headache that night and the following day. In China everything can be made fake, even baby milk powder formula, I bet you that the alcohol we consume can also be fake as well, or at least modified to save them cost.
AsnDragon
Hey Guys,
Here's the price list I got from them:
Fuhao: white wine-250, red wine 300
Taoyuan: white wine-250, red wine 300
Mayflower: white wine-250, red wine 300
EuroAsia: white wine 280, red wine 320
They have a whole list of others but I personally prefer to go to only those four as I think the selection is much better in these KTV's
I have been to Lucky 508 at Tao Yin hotel 8 times now in the last two months and I must say that they are the cheapest. I would like to get other peoples opinions on what they think of them and have they tried others services from them. I saw on the board that they have all these sauna packages but I didn't try them out at their place.
Andrew Lowa
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