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Dan Hawaii
03-16-11, 18:27
I also think if you pick a red tag girl it gives them face to the mommies and co workers. And makes them feel a bit special. They are probably thinking,"wow, this guy really likes me, because he is spending money on me just for companionship and not for just sex".
In addition, if you pick a regular girl and a red tag girl, the regular girl will feel special because she knows she's going to be chosen, so you might get GFE points on that front too.
Just theories from a guy who speaks no mandarin. Thank goodness for the bros out there that can help me out in that department. And my iPhone translator, but needs wi fi. Are there cell phone plans with data (Internet) access in China?
Clickerman
03-16-11, 20:54
I will be going to the Canton Fair in April. I usually stay in Guangzhou, but I heard from a fellow monger at the fair last year that it is best to stay in Dongguan because of the better WG's in the hotels and BBS's etc.
How easy is it to get from a hotel in Dongguan to the Pazhou fair complex in Guangzhou? I know some of the hotels have buses, but I wonder if it is OK to take a taxi, or would this be too expensive.
Dirknblane
03-17-11, 00:49
Download KTdict C-E From the AppStore and you can use a Chinese english dictionary without data.
I also think if you pick a red tag girl it gives them face to the mommies and co workers. And makes them feel a bit special. They are probably thinking,"wow, this guy really likes me, because he is spending money on me just for companionship and not for just sex".
In addition, if you pick a regular girl and a red tag girl, the regular girl will feel special because she knows she's going to be chosen, so you might get GFE points on that front too.
Just theories from a guy who speaks no mandarin. Thank goodness for the bros out there that can help me out in that department. And my iPhone translator, but needs wi fi. Are there cell phone plans with data (Internet) access in China?
Sardaukar1
03-17-11, 02:42
Are you going with wadman to AC??Where is "AC"?
I also think if you pick a red tag girl it gives them face to the mommies and co workers. And makes them feel a bit special. They are probably thinking,"wow, this guy really likes me, because he is spending money on me just for companionship and not for just sex".
In addition, if you pick a regular girl and a red tag girl, the regular girl will feel special because she knows she's going to be chosen, so you might get GFE points on that front too.
Just theories from a guy who speaks no mandarin. Thank goodness for the bros out there that can help me out in that department. And my iPhone translator, but needs wi fi. Are there cell phone plans with data (Internet) access in China? Either get a 3G plan (unicom starts with 300 MB fir 66 RMB per month) or regular SIM with a GPRS plan (you'll need to check for details). GPRS is much much slower and your apps may not work with it.
Jim Traveller
03-17-11, 07:30
Glad to know Dan Hawaii is coming into town, as usual, with his own party crew. I observe that Dan's comments are more and more philosophical as time passes after he leaves CP - coimplete with insights on life, love and adventure. I also note that while in CP, Dan's comments degenerate into lurid accounts of debauchery, drenched in alcohol and KY Jelly. I therefore eagerly await Dan's while-in-CP accounts, of course critically examining such repors with my own tasteful and discerning eye. The world could have other philosophers, but CP needs at least one Dan Hawaii.
Come Dude, and Jump right in.
My flights of angels sing thee to thy...thy bed!
I know the Polish crew will be here soon. I'm afraid.
-JettYes you should be affraid. This time will come in biger group and we will party harder.
And you are invited.
See You from March 22.
Jacher
Taxi drivers are also raising prices by not turning on their meters. Always check that he turned it on, because he will try to rip you off when you reach your destination. I have recently had multiple drivers refuse.
The number 1 and 2 bus will take you from downtown to Yalan Hotel, which is a very short walk to Swan Lake. Number 7 will take you to Swan Lake Road. 2 rmb. If you are not in a hurry it is a pleasant ride with the locals. But, as in other towns and countries, guard your pockets.
Or you can walk it in 15 minutes and the exercise will keep you fit for fucking.
Yes you should be affraid. This time will come in biger group and we will party harder.
And you are invited.
See You from March 22.
JacherHi Jacher.
So, you and Criss are members of the Polish team. Nice. It looks you are going to have a great time in CP and Guangzhou afterwards and you leave just in few days. Ahhhh, I'm really jealous about that. Honestly speaking I have to wait only few weeks more but I really can wait no more for it.
Do not forget to post reports from both cities when you are back. Can be even in your mother language by PM.
P. S. Pozdrowionka
Dan Hawaii
03-18-11, 04:30
Glad to know Dan Hawaii is coming into town, as usual, with his own party crew. I observe that Dan's comments are more and more philosophical as time passes after he leaves CP. Coimplete with insights on life, love and adventure. I also note that while in CP, Dan's comments degenerate into lurid accounts of debauchery, drenched in alcohol and KY Jelly. I therefore eagerly await Dan's while-in-CP accounts, of course critically examining such repors with my own tasteful and discerning eye. The world could have other philosophers, but CP needs at least one Dan Hawaii.
Come Dude, and Jump right in.
My flights of angels sing thee to thy. Thy bed! Hahaha. You know me too well Jim. Yes, I morph into this zombie like crazy man while in CP. That's because it's just more fun that way. And when I'm back to civilization, I need to conform into a civilized gentleman again. But in order for me to stay sane, I do need my quarterly (4 times a year) doses of CP.
See you soon jimmy.
Dan Hawaii
03-18-11, 04:32
Where is "AC"?AC is Angeles city in the phillippines. Cheaper than china and they speak English. More chance of gfe also. As for looks, depends what you like. IMHO, china is more what I'm looking for in looks and much nicer venues.
Jon Guoren
03-18-11, 08:28
I just talked to Big Swinging Dave who gave me an over the phone orientation as I was feeling without guidance for the way I want to do CP. He made me feel comfortable and confident for my trip and there was no high pressure sell for the package on offer. As I speak and read Chinese I might forgo the KTV party experience through the service but I am keeping an open mind. Without a doubt if you don't speak fluent Chinese, don't know China WELL or aren't sure in some way, this guy is clearly an on-the-ground contact you cannot afford not to take full advantage of.
Dan Hawaii
03-18-11, 08:58
Download KTdict C-E From the AppStore and you can use a Chinese english dictionary without data.Thanks dirk. Just downloaded it and it's pretty good for not needing wifi. Best I've seen so far.
But other apps that uses wifi is a bit better. They can translate paragraphs at a time.
Hi Jacher.
So, you and Criss are members of the Polish team. Nice. It looks you are going to have a great time in CP and Guangzhou afterwards and you leave just in few days. Ahhhh, I'm really jealous about that. Honestly speaking I have to wait only few weeks more but I really can wait no more for it.
Do not forget to post reports from both cities when you are back. Can be even in your mother language by PM.
P. S. PozdrowionkaAsia Fan
Mo&380; esz liczy&263; na nasz raport po powrocie z Chin.
For those who don, t understand I translate:
Asia Fan
You can count on this we poste raport after we come back from China.
Regards.
Jacher
Asia Fan
Mo&380; esz liczy&263; na nasz raport po powrocie z Chin.
For those who don, t understand I translate:
Asia Fan
You can count on this we poste raport after we come back from China.
Regards.
JacherIt is just unbeliveble how small is the World.
Looking forward to have some news from you after you are back.
Bawcie sie dobrze / Have fun guys.
Cheers.
AF
Just back from my CP trip and boy was it a fun time with the crew. My first day there Mit4life, LA Monkey, Jettsetter, and myself decided to check out Meibao. At first I was somewhat disappointed with the selection so I picked a little spinner who kept smiling at me. Back in the room we started with the usual groping before moving on to BBBJ. Then to the table shower where she stuck her finger in my ass. For those of you who like that kinda thing this is the place for you. I kinda jumped and told her I was not into that. She said okay and continued with the shower. We went back to the bed where after doing her in various positions I BBBJCIM. As she was packing up her stuff I saw her take out some anal beads. She told me she did not bring those out after I told her I was not into ass play. Smart girl!
After I finished I saw LA Monkey waiting around so we thought we would go back upstairs to check out more of the girls while we were waiting. I'll be damned if the selection did not improve big time. I saw at least 3 hotties that I really wanted to do and made mental notes of their numbers.
I called back a few days later to reserve a girl that I saw the other day. Manager says sure come in at 12:30 a. M. Because I made this appointment I booted the KTV girl that I was with instead of taking her home. Then Manager calls me and says the girl has done her quota for the day and will be going home. WTF! I was pissed off but lesson not learned I asked if she would be in the next morning and he said yes. I called the next day around 12 noon because I really wanted to do this hottie I saw a few days earlier. He says she will clock in at 2 pm and I make an appointment to see her then. When I show up at 2 he tells me that she did not come in today and says I can pick another girl. I'm really pissed but I'm already there right? So I picked another little spinner who was very obedient in the room. While I'm walking out I see a lot of girls in cowgirl hats and some in maid outfits. I guess they have theme day!
I would recommend this joint as I had a great time and I saw a lot of hotties. But big thumbs down to the manager for screwing me twice. Maybe he was lying to me just to get me in the door again? Bad business practice as if he had done a good job I would have called him each and every time I went back to CP. Now, Meibao might get some of my business but I won't go through him anymore. Maybe the lesson to be learned is that a manager will say anything to get you in the door?
So I'm partying with BSDs crew at the Mayflower and my girl literally gets drunk and passes out in less than an hour. Either that or she was faking it but either way I know I aint taking her out tonite. I decided to make her stay in the room for a few more hours since she wasted my time. When it came time I asked BSD what I owed her for the sitting fee since all this new pricing shit at Mayflower has me confused. He confirmed the price and I paid her off. Then BSD tells me that he's got a big titty girl coming for some other guy but the guy is pretty happy with his girl and doesn't want her anymore. He asks me if I am I interested? Hells Yeah! She was fun in the room and even better in my hotel room. She was the gem of my trip. This is why you newbies should call up BSD. If I was with the Lucky 508 guys I would ended up with Rosie Palm.
I just talked to Big Swinging Dave who gave me an over the phone orientation as I was feeling without guidance for the way I want to do CP. He made me feel comfortable and confident for my trip and there was no high pressure sell for the package on offer. As I speak and read Chinese I might forgo the KTV party experience through the service but I am keeping an open mind. Without a doubt if you don't speak fluent Chinese, don't know China WELL or aren't sure in some way, this guy is clearly an on-the-ground contact you cannot afford not to take full advantage of.
Chinese guy who teaches english in CP told me this story today. He got into a small private minivan because he couldn't find a regular taxi. The van stopped and 4 other guys jumped in with knives, etc. They took his atm card and demanded his pin number. They kept him tied and gagged until midnight and then let him go.
He thinks the driver was in on the crime.
Asia Joe is now angry with me because I gave his girlfriend an english lesson. I taught her to say "give me money, I want to go shopping". You see Joe, I got you back. Don't mess with Santa!
Wassa this shit, in KTV sit, you been a rappin', motherfucking crappin', instead of a nappin', .
Seriously Joe, somebody told you been goin' a rappin'. Is that true? I didn't know Sweedish blonds could rap.
Joe is signing his girl up for lessons at an english language school. It is not because he needs to communicate with her. Successfull chinese ladies usually have english skills, so it will give her confidence and social skills that will help her in the future. Especially when she goes shopping! ;)
OldAsiaHand
03-19-11, 14:38
I will be going to the Canton Fair in April. I usually stay in Guangzhou, but I heard from a fellow monger at the fair last year that it is best to stay in Dongguan because of the better WG's in the hotels and BBS's etc.
How easy is it to get from a hotel in Dongguan to the Pazhou fair complex in Guangzhou? I know some of the hotels have buses, but I wonder if it is OK to take a taxi, or would this be too expensive. Everytime the trade fair approaches somebody asks this same question. Here we go again! The directions and costs to get from CP to the fair have been posted too many times to count, including by myself.
RTFF!
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=Santa; 1135350]Seriously Joe, somebody told you been goin' a rappin'. Is that true? I didn't know Sweedish blonds could rap.
QUOTE]
Of course, I'm just joking.
Joe and I met for lunch today. He told me he was not happy with the rap or hiphop which is sometimes played at a KTV party, instead of singing songs.
The last time I went to a KTV party rap was played for the first 2 or 3 hours. I guess it is ok if you like listening to rap, but it is not what has been traditionally played at KTV parties. Usually they sing soppy romance songs, often out of tune. Which is best or worse? I don't go to KTV's often so it's not too important to me.
Nail The World
03-19-11, 18:30
folks, is there a hotel in the area that offers reliable high speed internet? i've made my way to shanghai and was wondering if i could make a week long trip to cp rather than just a weekend trip. to be able to stay the whole week i must have access to high speed internet.
I just talked to Big Swinging Dave who gave me an over the phone orientation as I was feeling without guidance for the way I want to do CP. He made me feel comfortable and confident for my trip and there was no high pressure sell for the package on offer. As I speak and read Chinese I might forgo the KTV party experience through the service but I am keeping an open mind. Without a doubt if you don't speak fluent Chinese, don't know China WELL or aren't sure in some way, this guy is clearly an on-the-ground contact you cannot afford not to take full advantage of.There are 2 people that I can never thank enough for their help and advices. One is Dave and one is SE Joe. Hopefully I get to see you all again soon.
APAC Man
folks, is there a hotel in the area that offers reliable high speed internet? i've made my way to shanghai and was wondering if i could make a week long trip to cp rather than just a weekend trip. to be able to stay the whole week i must have access to high speed internet.bill lee always stayed at the miraton because he said they had the best speed, but i don't know how fast. do not expect "high".
Dan Hawaii
03-19-11, 20:19
thanks dirk. just downloaded it and it's pretty good for not needing wifi. best i've seen so far.
but other apps that uses wifi is a bit better. they can translate paragraphs at a time. last trip i used my iphone to communicate with the girls, but wifi is needed. many girls don't have iphones and if they do, they usually need their chinese keyboard thing. so it's not efficient for them to use your phone when they need to type. therefore, let them use their own cell phones and text message you what they are trying to say, because you know these girls can text message at the speed of light using their own phones. thus, you just copy and paste it into your translator. like magic, paragraphs are translated.
so when you need to talk back to them, you type in your translator and translate it into simplified chinese and just let her read it off your phone.
done. 2 way communication. fast, easy and efficient.
Dan Hawaii
03-19-11, 20:28
Boarding soon! Takes me a day (24 hours!) and $1400 USD to get to CP, sucks! Lucky Hong kong bros takes them only 30 minutes and 100rmb round trip. Oh well, going to chang an right after arriving to CP, only 12 night hours in CP, so I won't be able to party with the CP gang until I come back on the 24th.
Anyways, any last minute advice, suggestions, wArnings about chang an would be really appreciated. I'll be sure to post about it. Thanks in advance.
Dan Hawaii
03-19-11, 20:35
Either get a 3G plan (unicom starts with 300 MB fir 66 RMB per month) or regular SIM with a GPRS plan (you'll need to check for details). GPRS is much much slower and your apps may not work with it.Yo BSD. Is there the 3G sim cards in CP? I would like one please.
Sardaukar1
03-19-11, 22:08
Even if one speaks and reads Chinese, I still think it's an excellent idea to use BSD service for KTV partying. I've found Dave to be very fair in his pricing, and he keeps everybody informed about bill runups.
One of the many things where BSD service shines is, if someone puts a cap on his spending (let's say 300rmb) , dave would tell that bro when his portion of the bill reaches 300rmb and give him an option to either chip in more for more alcohol, or stop at that point.
Plus if you book a KTV room yourself, you need to deal with all the admin BS like ordering stuff, managing the bill, paying DJ, or even dealing with drunk girls who make a scene. If BSD books the room for you he would handle all that crap for you and you can focus on having fun.
I just talked to Big Swinging Dave who gave me an over the phone orientation as I was feeling without guidance for the way I want to do CP. He made me feel comfortable and confident for my trip and there was no high pressure sell for the package on offer. As I speak and read Chinese I might forgo the KTV party experience through the service but I am keeping an open mind. Without a doubt if you don't speak fluent Chinese, don't know China WELL or aren't sure in some way, this guy is clearly an on-the-ground contact you cannot afford not to take full advantage of.
last trip i used my iphone to communicate with the girls, but wifi is needed. many girls don't have iphones and if they do, they usually need their chinese keyboard thing. so it's not efficient for them to use your phone when they need to type. therefore, let them use their own cell phones and text message you what they are trying to say, because you know these girls can text message at the speed of light using their own phones. thus, you just copy and paste it into your translator. like magic, paragraphs are translated.
so when you need to talk back to them, you type in your translator and translate it into simplified chinese and just let her read it off your phone.
done. 2 way communication. fast, easy and efficient. you should also get the "talk to me" app this will convert speech to text, translate it (to both simplified and pinyin) , the give you test to speech. it goes both way. it is pretty kick ass, but you need internet connectivity as it uses the google translation engine. the array of languages this works for is impressive. this is a free app.
a useful pay app is jiggbo, which is great because you don't need internet connectivity to do the same type fo speech to speech translation.
the sms thing is effective as well. on my android google translate will instantly translate my sms, very cool. i also use myphoneexplorer as an effective way to write and manage sms on my computer.
SE Asia Joe
03-20-11, 07:06
Seriously Joe, somebody told you been goin' a rappin'. Is that true? I didn't know Sweedish blonds could rap.
Of course, I'm just joking.
Joe and I met for lunch today. He told me he was not happy with the rap or hiphop which is sometimes played at a KTV party, instead of singing songs.
The last time I went to a KTV party rap was played for the first 2 or 3 hours. I guess it is ok if you like listening to rap, but it is not what has been traditionally played at KTV parties. Usually they sing soppy romance songs, often out of tune. Which is best or worse? I don't go to KTV's often so it's not too important to me. I wasn't actually going to bring this matter up on the boards as I had thought it to be something which should be settled privately – but of course you had to bring it up didn't you Santa?
OK – now that's it out in the open – I'd like to stress that I do have an open mind to this matter and would really like to hear from others what you all think about all this supposed 'chill' music we've had to endure when we go to a KTV. I realize that most have refrained from doing so as I believe that they thought it not appropriate / too polite to make a big deal of their preferences. The way that some may have inadvertently but definitely done so. But since I'm always the bad guy anyway, I may as well!
I believe that many amongst us may have 'tolerated' this, but IMHO, it doesn't mean that we all are happy with what has been happening of late when we've had to endure such rap or hip hop or whatever 'chill' music it's supposed to be (not really sure – us Swedes only listen to ABBA). In fact, SEVERAL guys have asked me personally as well as by PM and e-mail to say something. But what actually prompts me to now write about this (besides Santa bitchin' about it) is that one of the gals last Friday actually made a casual – but quite caustic remark stating along the line of "Oh yeah, these ABC's, they've got to show that they're different - HA-hA! ' And for good measure added "Yeah, our KTV is not good enough for them! ' – that I took to mean her resenting this callous show of airs / cultural superiority.
And when I think about it – why go to a KTV if all you wanted to do is to listen to your own 'chill' (read B. O. R. I. N. G.) music AND insisting that all others, who ARE also paying their fair share – to have to listen to this crap. Yeah, OK, KTV singing is also crap – but it IS what we go to a KTV for. One night I did notice that Dave had arranged for separate rooms for KTV singing and non singing and it should have been THE LEAST he should have done when the party consisted of so many PAYING attendees last Friday; as it is, I had guyS coming up to me to ask me to say something – and surprisingly, even someone I had just met that night told me that all this supposed 'chill' music was NOT what he had expected when he came all the way to China to experience; he was just sitting with his gal, not being able to speak to her and not knowing what he was doing and just getting bored with the whole thing. And he hilariously told me that he didn't come here to watch guys thinking they're cool, dancing, when they look like moose on mating call!
Oh, I did try to say something last Friday, but I was also ignored, and as I had another room I could go to, I just went ahead and left to go to that other room.
I personally go to a KTV to hang out with guys, sing a few songs, listen to others sing, play games, go silly and raucous – and definitely NOT to 'chill out, play quiet card games or listen to songs which I don't understand with all that swearing and cussing. To me, it's just boring, boring, BORING! Fine if it's just a half hour or so – but to have a whole night of this crap? Come ON! And if I'm bored – what do you think about the girls? They're bored shitless with it and it shows in the way they relate and act with the guys. BORED and cain't wait for it all to be over!
Anyway, I've opened it up – and now I would like to hear others' opinions.
SEAJ.
Ps. Santa you chicken shit. Sure didn't sound that this is "Not that important to me". Not the way you went on and on about it!
Guitarrefreak
03-20-11, 07:43
Dear fellow mongers,
I have been a long time follower of this forum but not a 'paid' member.
After yesterday's encounter, I feel really compelled to share a personal experience.
I won't really call myself a CP veteran but I have passed by there enough times during my regular factory visits that I thought I know the ropes and everything on staying alive out in the streets, boy was I wrong.
Yesterday around the 6pm time frame, I was walking from "zheng xing" road (or whatever it is called, T-junction with "zhong yuan jie", main road in CP) towards Fu Hao, after I crossed the bridge, I heard foot steps coming up to me and ask I quickly turned around, this guy tried to lift my backpack off from me and wrestled me to the ground. As soon as he saw he couldn't get my backpack off me and noticed that I had a necklace on, he tried to grab it and even though I put up a bit of a fight, he eventually snatched a piece of jade I have been wearing for 20 yrs, strong sentimental value. But. It is what it is. Fortunately none of my travel documents were taken away.
I should have noticed this guy eyeing me because I recognize him chewing on a sugar cane and walking close by before, I was just really too dumb and confident.
Fellow mongers please stay safe, and don't wander alone. I know, we all say that we know what to do but when shit happens, we don't really. I got some bruises on my knee and skin scrap around my neck area.
This guy is relatively skinny but not bony, maybe almost 180cm, cropped hair, was wearing a running jacket kind of thing.
In my rage, I actually wanted to head back to where I saw him last but realized that it was a dumb idea, I then hopped on a taxi to clipper hotel and thanks to the little darlings there, I managed to forget about my worries temporarily.
Now I am back in shenzhen, no one to blame but myself.
SE Asia Joe
03-20-11, 08:04
folks, is there a hotel in the area that offers reliable high speed internet? i've made my way to shanghai and was wondering if i could make a week long trip to cp rather than just a weekend trip. to be able to stay the whole week i must have access to high speed internet.if i may.
my observation as to what happens to guys when they get to cp;
what may seem to be important before arriving in cp somehow always becomes less so as you get into the swing of the place.
come on out, check into the the miraton, get down and dirty, and only then decide if a high speed internet is all that important then!
lol!
seaj
I wasn't actually going to bring this matter up on the boards as I had thought it to be something which should be settled privately – but of course you had to bring it up didn't you Santa?
I personally go to a KTV to hang out with guys, sing a few songs, listen to others sing, play games, go silly and raucous – and definitely NOT to 'chill out, play quiet card games or listen to songs which I don't understand with all that swearing and cussing. To me, it's just boring, boring, BORING! Fine if it's just a half hour or so – but to have a whole night of this crap? Come ON! And if I'm bored – what do you think about the girls? They're bored shitless with it and it shows in the way they relate and act with the guys. BORED and cain't wait for it all to be over!
Anyway, I've opened it up – and now I would like to hear others' opinions.
SEAJ.
Ps. Santa you chicken shit. Sure didn't sound that this is "Not that important to me". Not the way you went on and on about it! Joe, I like to sing at the KTV. I've been to a few parties where the music has been changed to hiphop / rap music. While I don't mind that music, I think that people who want to sing should be allowed to do so. For me, dice games and drinking games can only keep me interested for so long and singing is something that passes the time and I get the girls involved by doing duets.
For the girls, they also like to sing and although many do hog the microphone, it at least keeps them interested as well. And some people are bad singers so this may also annoy others who prefer no singing and listening to familiar western music while they party. It's hard to please everyone isn't it Joe? I think the next time this happens (ie: where there is a large group or if Dave knows the preference of the party goers) , then maybe 2 rooms is the answer.
But yeah, I prefer the sing-a-long music, I've been conditioned to associate that with a KTV! Pavlov Santa, Pavlov! Hahaha.
Hahaha. You know me too well Jim. Yes, I morph into this zombie like crazy man while in CP. That's because it's just more fun that way. And when I'm back to civilization, I need to conform into a civilized gentleman again. But in order for me to stay sane, I do need my quarterly (4 times a year) doses of CP.
See you soon jimmy. 4 times a year? You lucky man! Haha.
How long do you stay during each visit? I found that when you go past 10 days with non-stop action, you become numb to hot looking chics. However, every time you visit the pull is stronger for you to come back. It is seriously addictive and really fucking with my mind on my perspective on relationships back home. Grrrrr.
I wasn't actually going to bring this matter up on the boards as I had thought it to be something which should be settled privately – but of course you had to bring it up didn't you Santa?
OK – now that's it out in the open – I'd like to stress that I do have an open mind to this matter and would really like to hear from others what you all think about all this supposed 'chill' music we've had to endure when we go to a KTV. I realize that most have refrained from doing so as I believe that they thought it not appropriate / too polite to make a big deal of their preferences. The way that some may have inadvertently but definitely done so. But since I'm always the bad guy anyway, I may as well!
SEAJ.
Ps. Santa you chicken shit. Sure didn't sound that this is "Not that important to me". Not the way you went on and on about it! Me? Chicken shit?
I opened it up for debate didn't I?
I'm not afraid to give my opinion on this. I HATE RAP, HIP-HOP, CHILL or whatever the fuck it's called. But unless I want to stay at home I have to endure it. I hear in the street, in McDonald's, bars, irish pubs, discos, at traffic lights, shopping centers, and now even Chinese KTV's.
It came out of the slums of New York more than thirty years ago and spread around the world. It has no melody and I have been conditioned to hate it. I have been hearing it everywhere I go for thirty plus years, and I have learned to cringe everytime I hear it."Oh no, not this shit again!"
Whatever happened to melody?
I have a similar dislike of Hollywood action movies. Whatever happened to drama, comedy, and story? Gone!
Pavlov Santa
SE Asia Joe
03-20-11, 14:48
Joe, I like to sing at the KTV. I've been to a few parties where the music has been changed to hiphop / rap music. While I don't mind that music, I think that people who want to sing should be allowed to do so. For me, dice games and drinking games can only keep me interested for so long and singing is something that passes the time and I get the girls involved by doing duets.
For the girls, they also like to sing and although many do hog the microphone, it at least keeps them interested as well. And some people are bad singers so this may also annoy others who prefer no singing and listening to familiar western music while they party. It's hard to please everyone isn't it Joe? I think the next time this happens (ie: where there is a large group or if Dave knows the preference of the party goers) , then maybe 2 rooms is the answer.
But yeah, I prefer the sing-a-long music, I've been conditioned to associate that with a KTV! Pavlov Santa, Pavlov! Hahaha. Ooops. Didn't really make myself clear.
What I am complaining about is when the whole KTV music system gets hooked up to an Ipod and plays ONLY what is programmed into the Ipod and nothng else the whole bleeding night. I certainly don't mind if whoever wants to hear Rap or Hip Hop or whatever go and just pick and chose such songs from the KTV playlist. As it is, the room becomes all boring with just one still picture shown on the TV's. Unlike when KTV songs are being played when there is movement and life and changing lighting. When that crap chill music is being played, the room just becomes all gloomy, and everybody seems to get just as gloomy\ instead of having fun.
And to ONLY hear somebody else's playlist of what he wants to hear? And NOT being allowed to switch back to KTV singing? Me-thinks this is just way too much when everybody in the room shares the cost.
If there are guys who wants to have their own chill songs being played all night, IMHO they should go and open up their own room and not impose their taste on everybody else, for yes, I go to a KTV to have KTV!
SEAJ
Pointpanic
03-20-11, 16:03
Wish I could be there with you guys!
Point.
[QUOTE=Santa; 1135350]Seriously Joe, somebody told you been goin' a rappin'. Is that true? I didn't know Sweedish blonds could rap.
QUOTE]
Of course, I'm just joking.
Joe and I met for lunch today. He told me he was not happy with the rap or hiphop which is sometimes played at a KTV party, instead of singing songs.
The last time I went to a KTV party rap was played for the first 2 or 3 hours. I guess it is ok if you like listening to rap, but it is not what has been traditionally played at KTV parties. Usually they sing soppy romance songs, often out of tune. Which is best or worse? I don't go to KTV's often so it's not too important to me.
Big Swingin Dave
03-20-11, 18:35
I have put some thoughts about the discontent of SEAJoe and Santa in regards to listening to music instead of hearing people sing in a KTV party and my announcement to all is that for all the non-group (single or double) attendees that joins one of my parties that I host in the future, it will be majority rules in the room. If the majority wants to hear music, we will hear music, if the majority wants to sing then we will sing. If you don't like this rule, then don't come and b i t c h later.
I don't care either way whether it's listening to music or hearing people sing but in reality, either way, someone will not be happy so I say, deal with it, most of the time when we are listening to music, people do get to sing later into parties anyway.
Most of the parties that were held the past week were put together by a group of guys that only likes to hear music, the rest of the people that join "their" parties should have been appreciative that they were allowed to join "their" parties. As I see that this is causing a problem, anyone joining this group of guys parties will be notified that only music will be played and if they don't like it then they can form their own party in the future. As a matter of fact, after these guys see this post, I am sure that they will instruct me to close their parties to others in the future which will be a shame as some newbies / veterans were in town and were able to experience great parties that were held the past week.
In conclusion. If you attend a BSD party in the future, then you have to follow BSD's rules.
BSD
I'd love to hang out with you guys on the next outing. I'm staying in DongGuan and spending most of my afternoon in Guangzhou tomorrow but have my nights completely free. I'll be here on business until Friday and would love to see what ChangPing has to offer! Hope to see ya soon!
I have put some thoughts about the discontent of SEAJoe and Santa in regards to listening to music instead of hearing people sing in a KTV party and my announcement to all is that for all the non-group (single or double) attendees that joins one of my parties that I host in the future, it will be majority rules in the room. If the majority wants to hear music, we will hear music, if the majority wants to sing then we will sing. If you don't like this rule, then don't come and be I t see h later.
I don't care either way whether it's listening to music or hearing people sing but in reality, either way, someone will not be happy so I say, deal with it, most of the time when we are listening to music, people do get to sing later into parties anyway.
Most of the parties that were held the past week were put together by a group of guys that only likes to hear music, the rest of the people that join "their" parties should have been appreciative that they were allowed to join "their" parties. As I see that this is causing a problem, anyone joining this group of guys parties will be notified that only music will be played and if they don't like it then they can form their own party in the future. As a matter of fact, after these guys see this post, I am sure that they will instruct me to close their parties to others in the future which will be a shame as some newbies / veterans were in town and were able to experience great parties that were held the past week.
In conclusion. If you attend a BSD party in the future, then you have to follow BSD's rules.
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
03-21-11, 00:10
I have put some thoughts about the discontent of SEAJoe and Santa in regards to listening to music instead of hearing people sing in a KTV party and my announcement to all is that for all the non-group (single or double) attendees that joins one of my parties that I host in the future, it will be majority rules in the room. If the majority wants to hear music, we will hear music, if the majority wants to sing then we will sing. If you don't like this rule, then don't come and be I t see h later.
I don't care either way whether it's listening to music or hearing people sing but in reality, either way, someone will not be happy so I say, deal with it, most of the time when we are listening to music, people do get to sing later into parties anyway.
Most of the parties that were held the past week were put together by a group of guys that only likes to hear music, the rest of the people that join "their" parties should have been appreciative that they were allowed to join "their" parties. As I see that this is causing a problem, anyone joining this group of guys parties will be notified that only music will be played and if they don't like it then they can form their own party in the future. As a matter of fact, after these guys see this post, I am sure that they will instruct me to close their parties to others in the future which will be a shame as some newbies / veterans were in town and were able to experience great parties that were held the past week.
In conclusion. If you attend a BSD party in the future, then you have to follow BSD's rules.
BSDTo BSD,
This is a good rule if you are have a open mind to different music you should just get your own room, I enjoy different music and the girl sing and other people that try to sing and I get a good laugh, most of the time with business partner and customer we just turn down the music and play game with the girl.
Fast Eddie 48
Meiguoguizi
03-21-11, 00:39
I have put some thoughts about the discontent of SEAJoe and Santa in regards to listening to music instead of hearing people sing in a KTV party and my announcement to all is that for all the non-group (single or double) attendees that joins one of my parties that I host in the future, it will be majority rules in the room. If the majority wants to hear music, we will hear music, if the majority wants to sing then we will sing. If you don't like this rule, then don't come and be I t see h later.
In conclusion. If you attend a BSD party in the future, then you have to follow BSD's rules.
BSDAs one of the guys that comes to CP alone and then joins the party that is frequently planned for another group, I've been at parties that have varied from full on East Coast rap to euro techno to Nirvana eulogies to Taiwan Pop to Chinese revolutionary anthems.
The crazy mix of music is the result of the amazing international mix of BSD's client base.
I personally wouldn't have it any other way. CP is a place to experience the world and savor the domestic pussy. Meeting these guys, in all their horny global diversity, makes the CP experience unique.
If you are interested in replicating the atmosphere of your local pub or Changsha TV, you might consider staying home with your wife.
Bob Sacamano
03-21-11, 03:00
Do the BBS girls still spit out every about 5 seconds when they suck your cock BBBJ?
How would you rate the looks of the girls you found at Swan Lake BBS on a scale from 1 to 10 and how would you rate their performances on the same scale? They still do that spitting during and after BBBJ but now it seems they've been trained to spit into the waste baskets.
Most of the Swan Lake BBS talent is in the 7-8 range but I'm not really fussy about looks. Service is more important, and they usually rated around 7. It's hard to get a GFE from BBS, they're more in it for the wham-bam-thank-you-sir. A lot of them wear way too much make-up. I really don't like that look, especially the fake eyelashes. The natural look is so much sexier. There were enough girls in the BBS for anyone to find a suitable one.
Bob Sacamano
03-21-11, 03:25
Asia Joe is now angry with me because I gave his girlfriend an english lesson. I taught her to say "give me money, I want to go shopping". You see Joe, I got you back. Don't mess with Santa!
Wassa this shit, in KTV sit, you been a rappin', motherfucking crappin', instead of a nappin', .
Seriously Joe, somebody told you been goin' a rappin'. Is that true? I didn't know Sweedish blonds could rap.
Joe is signing his girl up for lessons at an english language school. It is not because he needs to communicate with her. Successfull Chinese ladies usually have english skills, so it will give her confidence and social skills that will help her in the future. Especially when she goes shopping! . SEAJ, like a good Swede, can sing every song by ABBA. When he starts singing an ABBA song, combined with his muscular physique and blond hair. Well, the girls immediately want him to take them home in his Volvo!
As one of the guys that comes to CP alone and then joins the party that is frequently planned for another group, I've been at parties that have varied from full on East Coast rap to euro techno to Nirvana eulogies to Taiwan Pop to Chinese revolutionary anthems.
The crazy mix of music is the result of the amazing international mix of BSD's client base.
I personally wouldn't have it any other way. CP is a place to experience the world and savor the domestic pussy. Meeting these guys, in all their horny global diversity, makes the CP experience unique.
If you are interested in replicating the atmosphere of your local pub or Changsha TV, you might consider staying home with your wife. I mostly like to whistle, and I can whistle when breathing out, when breathing in, and whistle in / out my nose when I am sleeping like a dead fish after a KTV night. BSD can attest to this. Actually he cannot, but I was trying to put him on the spot!
What I was going to say on this thread. About KTV music is. Times are changing. Years back, the ONLY english song in any / all KTV was "Hotel California", and be being the only laowai was told to sing it. I sang it 72 times, and I still don't know all the words. Yes, I'm stupid; with an uppercase "L"!
But times are changing, and I've been surprised to see how many non-Chinese songs are now on those KTV beat boxes.
I also have played some recorded "ZhongGuo Disco" music from 5-8 years ago to girls in the KTV. And I ask them,"Do you know this music?" and they look at me and say that have never heard this kind of music. To this day, I do not know if the 1990's ZhongGuo Disco music still exists or not. I actually feel like I possess music from a unique time in the evolution of Chinese culture. Back when they created a unique sound found only inside China.
The lesson I'm trying to share is that each of us makes our own time, has experiences unique to us in our time in China.
Enjoy it while you can. You know how people talk about "those good old days". You are living them now, and with Internet, caching, etc. We are all leaving behind a history of our times.
Dar2425
Last Friday, I had my first birthday party at the Penn. It was a stark contrast from last year, where I just stayed at home oblivious to the fun that I could have been having.
I picked 2 girls to sit with me. My first pick, a tall girl with DSLs and the 2nd, a model girl who I had my eye on from a previous sighting. (Didn't sit her last time because we were late and only stopping by) I spent most of the night concentrating on her while the other girl tried her best to win my affections.
Drank alot, played fun games with cool people and overall had a kickass time. Thanks to Jettsetter, Seajoe (sorry for too much hiphop, we will sing some ABBA next time!) , Asndragon. (sorry if you have a ISG handle and I don't know it!) and many other non ISGers who attended. Big thanks to BSD yet again for organizing a great party and a birthday party I will remember for the rest of my life!
The girls are great and all, but meeting and partying with you guys for the last 3 weeks (steep learning curve haha) have meant so much more. (No homo!)
Let the good times roll!
Sauce aka HGKYa.
Sidenote: Took the model girl home, popped twice for the price of one. Very GFE, very nice :]
Sauce,
HappyBday! Sorry I couldn't be there, but welcome the new generation. Live it up, we sure did (and still do.) pace yourself, it's never like the first time in CP. Forget about time lost, you have enough time to make up plus plenty more!
LAmonkey
Last Friday, I had my first birthday party at the Penn. It was a stark contrast from last year, where I just stayed at home oblivious to the fun that I could have been having.
I picked 2 girls to sit with me. My first pick, a tall girl with DSLs and the 2nd, a model girl who I had my eye on from a previous sighting. (Didn't sit her last time because we were late and only stopping by) I spent most of the night concentrating on her while the other girl tried her best to win my affections.
Drank alot, played fun games with cool people and overall had a kickass time. Thanks to Jettsetter, Seajoe (sorry for too much hiphop, we will sing some ABBA next time!) , Asndragon. (sorry if you have a ISG handle and I don't know it!) and many other non ISGers who attended. Big thanks to BSD yet again for organizing a great party and a birthday party I will remember for the rest of my life!
The girls are great and all, but meeting and partying with you guys for the last 3 weeks (steep learning curve haha) have meant so much more. (No homo!)
Let the good times roll!
Sauce aka HGKYa.
Sidenote: Took the model girl home, popped twice for the price of one. Very GFE, very nice :]
I agree with Big Swinging Dave here. If a group of guys arrange a KTV party through him they are entitled to listen to whatever they want. If they want rap played on an I-pod, that's ok. If you or I want to join that group we have to be content or tolerant of that choice and enjoy the party without complaint.
If it is not a private group event, then the group should agree ahead of time. Is it a traditional party or not? If we hate singing chinese love songs, or hate polish folksongs, or hate rap, or whatever it is, then we can decide not to go.
This makes Dave's job more difficult, but he can handle it. He doesn't give a shit what we listen to, as long as we had fun and have no complaints. As he said to me "I just go with the flow".
If I had my choice it would be italian opera at the KTV, but that's not going to happen. So I guess it's Chinese love songs, hiphop and Abba. It doesn't matter much to me simply because I don't go very often.
Generally speaking though, if it is not a "private group" party, then I agree with Asia Joe. It should be assumed that it will be a traditional ktv party, with songs played on the big screen and we each get our turn at choosing songs from the menu.
Mit Fo Lfe
03-21-11, 07:06
Sauce,
HappyBday! Sorry I couldn't be there, but welcome the new generation. Live it up, we sure did (and still do.) pace yourself, it's never like the first time in CP. Forget about time lost, you have enough time to make up plus plenty more!
LAmonkeyI too wished I could have attended this party as I'm sure it was a blast. Hope to party with ya soon and this time I'll be sure to not ball so that I don't get injured and miss out on any of the fun.
SE Asia Joe
03-21-11, 07:49
Given the set of circumstances, what BSD writes is balanced and as such, for those who are contemplating joining KTV parties – make sure PRIOR to committing that you know what it is that you are committing to. You're paying BSD and it is thus NOT out of line for you to 'order' precisely what you want; no need for you to ask me or anybody else to tell him, now that this matter is out in the open, just go ahead and order what you want yourself!
And for the sake of those who are wondering what this is all about, I'd like to outline to you what it is exactly that we are discussing – the hooking up of an IPod to the KTV system to play supposed 'Chill' music all night instead of KTV singing – and the ramifications of such.
- Learned habit vs. Fish out of water.
KTV gals are trained and used to acting a certain way to 'entertain' their Beau of the night, which includes singing soppy love songs dedicated to him, singing duets, exaggerating appreciation of the punter's singing abilities etc. When you only have 'chill' songs, they really are like fish out of water with not knowing what to do. They then try to pick up what they think is expected mannerism for the situation and it all ends up in a stilted and artificial atmosphere for everyone.
- You'll end up paying more. Lots more!
As there is nothing else to do, both guys and gals end up just drinking and drinking lots more. Last Friday is a typical example as the Bill at 9:05 PM – barely 3 hours into the session, had already ballooned out to RMB 385. Ridiculous – how does anybody put away – what – 18? 24? Bottles of beer in 3 hours?
- The evening really drags out –
Whilst I am quite sure that Jettsetter did not mean to convey this fact, what he writes in his post #4928 here.
I do have to say that we had been partying for what felt like hours and hours and looked at the clock and it was literally only 7:50 pm I was truly shocked how it felt like it was 11 pm and we were barely not even to 8 p. M!Is truly what happens when you've only got 'chill' (again – read B. O. R. I. N. G.) music on offer. It is just plain ole BORING!
- Xenophobia?
Please refer to that caustic remark by the gal that I wrote about in my post #5034 below. The PRC Chinese as a whole can be quite xenophobic and ARE won't to have 'sentiments' anytime they feel that foreigners are not appreciative of their customs and druthers. But perhaps she was just getting a headache from listening to unfamiliar and strange music – I know I get such head-aches! But then again, my friend (who has been coming to China for over 30 years and CP over 10 years) and who had 'visited' us at our room that night had made a semi-serious joke about 'Man – you guys are going to be easy targets! ' with all the implications such joke is supposed to mean when he saw that we were playing our own music. And this friend should know as he's in the entertainment field and is well acquainted with just about all 'factions. '
- Silent night, Holy night.
YUP! That is how it feels to me when we've got that crap chill music on! Nobody moving about, the room bathed in the eerie and somber semi-darkness of the un-flickering still picture on at the TV screen, girls trying to act in an un-accustomed manner and everyone just getting smashed to relieve boredom.
- Forgeddaboudit – unless you're a fluent Chinese speaker!
WHAT and HOW are you going to be with your gal if you cain't converse with her? And there ain't nuthin' else to do when you're listening to chiill music. You cain't even join in the games – which are a must – as there really is nothing but stupid games to play under the circumstance. Oh, you can hold her hands all night long and stare forlornly into her eyes!
- You're in CP ForCrissakes – you're not in Rome or Cincinnati!
You want 'chill out' music – go to McDonalds like Santa say – or any other venue – and NOT a KTV where the rest of us also pay good money to enjoy what is expected to be enjoyed there! And if chill music is what you want –as what Dar says. Then pick and chose such songs from the usually massive playlist available at most KTV's in CP – just like the rest of us need to do if we want to listen OR SING certain songs. Don't be so self-centered!
OK – all that I can think of right now! And whilst I am of course given to exaggeration, the REAL truth is very much central in what I have written above.
So, like I said – just tell BSD what you want.
SEAJ
The girls are great and all, but meeting and partying with you guys for the last 3 weeks (steep learning curve haha) have meant so much more. (No homo!)
Let the good times roll!
Sauce aka HGKYa.
Sidenote: Took the model girl home, popped twice for the price of one. Very GFE, very nice :]Sauce,
Happy Belated! I wish I could have made the party, I expected that it would be an "affair" to remember! Glad you had a good time and I did enjoy partying with you earlier in the month. Two pops with a model for ST pricing! She must have decided to "give" you a present herself. Or maybe it was the "smoothness of youth". I for one have never "retained" the services of a model gal, for fear they would not / could not live up to the hype. Glad to hear yours did!
Looking forward to the next time your in town!
Sky
Mit Fo Lfe
03-21-11, 08:30
Sauce,
Happy Belated! I wish I could have made the party, I expected that it would be an "affair" to remember! Glad you had a good time and I did enjoy partying with you earlier in the month. Two pops with a model for ST pricing! She must have decided to "give" you a present herself. Or maybe it was the "smoothness of youth". I for one have never "retained" the services of a model gal, for fear they would not / could not live up to the hype. Glad to hear yours did!
Looking forward to the next time your in town!
SkySky. He is a CP resident. You'll see him the next time you get back into town. Safe travels my friend
Sauce345, thanks to all you guys for allowing me to gatecrash your 18th? B'day paaaardy!
Thanks to Jetsetter and all the other cool guys that were there for showing me the ropes. Especially of course Big Swingin Dave, what a legend!
I have started writing a report but I got carried away and its turning into a monster, I don't have access to a personal computer so a bit difficult to finish.
What I will say is I had a great time and looking forward to more, we had music and a bit of singing at one of the parties and I enjoyed both.
All the best
Austin (flowers)
Jettsetter
03-21-11, 09:41
Here's the situation gents. This past week, I had my close crew come into town. We had enough for our own parties, but Dave had suggested others join in on the party. We had planned for over a month where we would be going. We told Dave it'd be okay for some folks to come join us.
If you came into town and wanted ot party with us, that' fine, but we like to party a certain way. It may not be what YOU like. But then again, it's not your party. You didn't create it, or invite everyone. We DID. And as WE DID, WE have the option to run it however we want. Yes, single flickering picture and all.
In this situation, the guest of honor, and my crew who was there, had a certain preference. If it's not yours. I'm sorry, but it was our party, we had planned it, and that's the way we liked it. You all are entitled to your opinion, and I respect your opinion. But frankly speaking, it was our party. Nobody forced anybody to come, and if you weren't happy with the style of partying, you didn't have to stay.
Similarly, when I don't want to sit in a singing KTV session.. then I won't go or I'll do something else... but if I want to party, then I'll endure it, like I endured it for many many times in the past...
Look. I don't fault you for not liking what we like. That's not a big deal, but nobody forced anybody to do anything here... Whoever was not satisfied did not have to party with us. yo uc But like many of you who don't plan ahead.. if you come into town and are looking for a party and it it's someone else's party, then I guess you're stuck with their preferences, not yours.
Like I said, this party was planned at least a week in advance and the place and venue booked by us. The type of partying we do is this type. Hip hop, rap music on OUR ipod. And that's the way we like it.
Those who have expressed discontent are welcome to come,. SEAJ. I respect you. Santa. I also respect you. And you are always welcome at our parties when we set them up. But respect that it's OUR party. If you want to set up a party and let me come. I'm not going to come to your party and try to change your party the way you set it up. I could suggest it, I could put in my music request for a song or something, but I know that that's the party if I want to join in.
So please understand and respect the people who set it up and know what you're getting yourself into. If you want to hire dave and order your party. YES, do it. He will get your specs. But don't expect to feel like you want to party tonight. Join a party and try to say you deserve and expect to get what you want. If that's the case and you can get into a KTV. Great. But if you can't, and join a party, then you have to live with whatever it is. If you want to change our party. Please. Don't come.
Look, I've been to plenty of parties where drinking and KTV singing was the preference. No big deal. I'll bear it and do my own thing. But this FRIDAY. And in fact all the parties WE had was not one of them. If it's not your cup of tea. Please be an adult and just excuse yourself and leave.
If you're not happy about the amount of drinking because you don't drink. GET YOUR OWN ROOM and get the people who don't like to drink, dance and party.
When you go to a party it's pretty simple. Everyone pays their share. It's not as if we sit there and count how many beers we drink. That's the risk of partying with others who aren't at your own pace.
If you go with people who are heavy drinkers, then you'll be feeling ripped off.
A party is WHAT YOU MAKE IT. I'm not forcing anybody to party a certain way and I don't see why folks here think that we should party a certain way. The beauty of this place is that we don't have ot conform to what you like and don't like right? We get to do things the way we want. If we want to hang, we can go to dinner, etc. We don't have to party in a KTV room together.
So let me conclude by saying that even though I believe some folks could express their opinions amongst friends in a different manner, because I do believe we are all friends. I feel no animosity and call it bygones. I harbor no animosity. We are all here just to have fun.
Let's just put it this way. You guys, I love you. Santa, SEAJ, everyone else that I've partied with. You guys are always welcome and I've told Dave that. BUT just know that if you want to party with us, we party a certain way. Some nights we drink a lot. If you show up late. Yah, that's the risk you take. That we've already gone through a ton of beers before you showed up. If you're not very happy with that situation, then it's cool, I understand, don't stick around.
I have to say that 90% of the people there, really enjoyed the type of partying we did. I'm sorry that some of you did not have such a great time. Unfortunately as in most gatherings you can't please everyone. The person who we were most concerned with pleasing was the birthday boy. He had a blast and had a killer time.
So. I don't want to offend anybody from this post. I'm just trying to clear the air and let those who are reading these posts understand the circumstances.
To each his own.
-Jett
P.S. I guess the alternative solution would be to say that all parties are closed to only those we invite and not let Dave bring anbyody new into the mix. But I think that would do the entire board and folks a disservice... you should see the range of partying that can happen... Please note that we've had parties where all we did was bust out a dvd plyer, NO ALCOHOL and just watched movies in the KTV room... yes, believe it or not.. we met the minimum ordering food and non-alcoholic drinks... CRAZY HUH??
SE Asia Joe
03-21-11, 09:59
I am not sure where all this bitching is coming from.
Here's the situation gents. This past week, I had my close crew come into town. We had enough for our own parties, but Dave had suggested others join in on the
I'm sorry that some of you did not have such a great time. Unfortunately as in most gatherings you can't please everyone. The person who we were most concerned with pleasing was the birthday boy. He had a blast and had a killer time.
So. I don't want to offend anybody from this post. I'm just trying to clear the air and let those who are reading these posts understand the circumstances.
To each his own.
-JettJett. I appreeciate you taking the time to explain and I am cool with everything you expressed.
The thing that really bothered me was it was only AFTER I actually came, and only after at least a couple guys came up to me to ask me to intervene to switch back to KTV music
- "Come on, Ask Dave, he'll listen to you"
that I got told by Dave
"I told you that we were ONLY going to play chill music all night long."
This was total BS as I was never told.
Nor, obviously was this being told to at least the 2 others there who had asked me to talk to Dave.
And yeah, if you noticed, I DID leave and go to another room immediately after getting told the above, for yes, sorry to say, your party was a total bore IMHO.
So yes, anybody joining up with Dave needs to get crystal clear indication as to what's on offer prior to committing.
SEAJ
Jettsetter
03-21-11, 10:22
Jett. I appreeciate you taking the time to explain and I am cool with everything you expressed.
The thing that really bothered me was it was only AFTER I actually came, and only after at least a couple guys came up to me to ask me to intervene to switch back to KTV music.
. "Come on, Ask Dave, he'll listen to you"
That I got told by Dave.
"I told you that we were ONLY going to play chill music all night long."
This was total BS as I was never told.
Nor, obviously was this being told to at least the 2 others there who had asked me to talk to Dave.
And yeah, if you noticed, I DID leave and go to another room immediately after getting told the above, for yes, sorry to say, your party was a total bore IMHO.
So yes, anybody joining up with Dave needs to get crystal clear indication as to what's on offer prior to committing.
SEAJI didn't notice. But no big deal. Your total bore to us, was a total blast. The birthday boy had a blast. As did everyone else that we invited specifically to come. But that's because we enjoy clubbing type of atmosphere and seeing the girls get all lesbo and prevocative, dancing and grinding. But as I said, that's OUR style.
As to the others. Maybe Dave didn't tell you, but maybe he warned others? And maybe that just needs to be made clear next time. No big deal. Just as when I say I want to join in on a party. Dave has told me. These guys really like to sing.
Or he'll say.these guys are really heavy drinkers. Or they'll drink alot of whiskey?
I think he does exceptionally well to keep folks informed, and perhaps you didn't get the info. But to be frank, you also showed up very late, and you're right, if your'e not in a party from the beginning, and getting drunk with everyone. It's NOT as fun.
I know when I play DD back in the states (Designated Driver). It's not fun watching a bunch of folks being all drunk and having a good time. So I can see your point of view. But we had the music at a fairly low level first, and then started picking it up more and more. As the buzz got better and better.
It's too bad some folks didn't enjoy as much. But you have to understand. Even when we host parties, I'm not going to hold your hand (not you SEAJ) but those newbies out there. Don't expect the veterans to teach you how to have fun.
Take the initative, to move to a table or a place where you can sit next to some folks who look like they're having fun! Don't just sit in the corner and hope things will change. They won't. And if it's not what you signed up for. Tell dave and go to a nice dinner with your girl! Pay a little less and cut your losses.
-Jett
Criss Thor
03-21-11, 10:29
Finally we start out trip today! So, see you tomorrow in CP. It will be nicce to see you all there!
[QUOTE=Jettsetter; 1136015]Like I said, this party was planned at least a week in advance and the place and venue booked by us. The type of partying we do is this type. Hip hop, rap music on OUR ipod. And that's the way we like it.
Those who have expressed discontent are welcome to come. SEAJ. I respect you. Santa. I also respect you. And you are always welcome at our parties when we set them up. But respect that it's OUR party. [QUOTE]
Thank you Jett. Appreciate the polite reply. That's right, if it's your own "personal private party" you can play or do whatever you like. And I appreciate the fact we are welcome to join in.
I'm glad we have had the chance to air our opinions. I guess it's up to Dave to notify his customers as to what to expect at a particular venue, and I'm sure he will do his best.
If Dave tells us it's a regular standard KTV party, then we should not hook up an I-pod. If he says it's a hiphop type party, with little or no singing, then we know in advance.
I will go to a hiphop party or bar if my friends are there and no other better options are available. I just try to ignore the music and have fun.
Good to see the diplomatic discussions about this issue. I've seen some previous nasty posts on this forum and glad to see the gentlemanly approach on this occasion.
Hope it doesn't add too much work for Dave but the majority rules + early notification of party style sounds like a great idea and a fair / efficient system!
Santa, if you had your way you'd go for Italian Opera at the KTV? WTF? If you can pull that off mate, the girls will be mightily impressed I'm sure! .
Sauce, happy be'day mate! Unfortunate that I missed your awesome party but it was fun partying with you the previous couple of weeks. I think the next time I come to CP, you would have evolved from a wide eyed newbie to a respected (hopefully not broke) pro! Haha.
As one of the guys that comes to CP alone and then joins the party that is frequently planned for another group, I've been at parties that have varied from full on East Coast rap to euro techno to Nirvana eulogies to Taiwan Pop to Chinese revolutionary anthems.
The crazy mix of music is the result of the amazing international mix of BSD's client base.
I personally wouldn't have it any other way. CP is a place to experience the world and savor the domestic pussy. Meeting these guys, in all their horny global diversity, makes the CP experience unique.
If you are interested in replicating the atmosphere of your local pub or Changsha TV, you might consider staying home with your wife. Hi American Devil. I don't know which side you are on here.
Joe's position is that there is "no mix" if one guy plugs in his I-pod and plays only what he wants. Joe thinks we should stick to the traditional way of choosing from the KTV music menu, with everyone in the room having an opportunity to choose.
Jett's position is "at a private party it's the private party's choice". I agree with that, if it's a private party.
My idea is, that those who love L A street rap and do not like Chinese KTV music, should go stay in L A, join a gang of brothers, and enjoy that wonderful culture to it's fullest. Not only "motherfuckers", they've got "bitches" too!
I say rap lovers should try it out and report back. Live the Dream!!!
SEAJoe, BSD Dave, Jetsetter, Santa, etc (whoever is involved in this discussion) ,
I understand the frustration that has been floating around in regards to this "chill music." To SEAJoe's Credit, yes sometimes our girls, who are not avid dancers, will not like the chill music atmosphere. At the Penn, my gals 2 of them) were quite bored because they could not dance. As a result, with no singing they just sat in the corner as if they wanted to sleep. Two other girls from other two guys also were bored and didn't know what to do, because they are trained to sing and entertain in the old fashion way of a KTV joint. I was one of the people who voiced discontent, wanting at least a break from the music for a little bit so that perhaps the girls can get into the mood of the party by singing. So SEAJoe, thanks for backing some guys including me that evening.
However, to Jetsetter's credit, this party at Penn that evening was decided 1 week ago for a fellow brother's birthday party. As a result, he requested to have this chill music to be played. As a result, since it was his birthday, I overlooked the events of the night because:
1. It was a brother's Birthday Party, so I tend to just overlook things and just go with the flow.
2. I stayed not to ruin the mood for the Birthday Boy, nothing is worst than ruining someone's birthday party.
In addition, to BSD Dave's Credit, Dave is a very experienced party organizer. He's been in this game for more than 2 years already. So he knows how to organize things accordingly. The exact events of the night was this: Dave had the superior foresight of organizing two rooms that evening at the Penn. One room was for the singers- 8 brothers, and another room was for the Birthday Boy- 8 brothers with only chill music. However during the events of the night, things got mixed up all into one room. Now I'm only saying this because I know Dave had the foresight to organize two groups to make everyone happy. So BSD Dave did try his best to accommodate to everyone. Not everything works out according to plan. So I think Dave does his best to accommodate to 16 guys and about 22 girls a total of 38 people in one night. It's not an easy task so I commend him for his efforts. In addition, he is fair. He let's the majority rule the atmosphere of the KTV party. When we went tot Yihao, he allowed the majority to decide if they wanted the girls to sing. And the majority wanted girls to sing at the end of the evening so girls started singing.
So in the future, if and when singing is a requirement, then ask Dave is singing allowed or not. If it's not then you can reconsider if singing is a must for you. If you don't mind and just want to be with a girl, then it won't matter to you. But do ask beforehand so that everyone is on the same page. Dave is good at organizing and there's always more than 1 party on weekends so I'm sure he's more than willing to accommodate to your needs.
But honestly, at the end of the day, it was good hanging out with SEAJoe and catch up, play games and hang out with the Birthday Boy and everyone else that evening. Yes my girls were bored and I did wish they could have sung that evening to liven up or entertain me that evening, but hey SEAJoe- at least I got to catch up with you young man, it was a pleasure!
Santa- You seemed to have an OK time at Versaille. You were so cuddly with your girl that evening.
AsnDragon.
- The evening really drags out –
Whilst I am quite sure that Jettsetter did not mean to convey this fact, what he writes in his post #4928 here.
Is truly what happens when you've only got 'chill' (again – read B. O. R. I. N. G.) music on offer. It is just plain ole BORING!
- Xenophobia?
Please refer to that caustic remark by the gal that I wrote about in my post #5034 below. The PRC Chinese as a whole can be quite xenophobic and ARE won't to have 'sentiments' anytime they feel that foreigners are not appreciative of their customs and druthers. But perhaps she was just getting a headache from listening to unfamiliar and strange music – I know I get such head-aches! But then again, my friend (who has been coming to China for over 30 years and CP over 10 years) and who had 'visited' us at our room that night had made a semi-serious joke about 'Man – you guys are going to be easy targets! ' with all the implications such joke is supposed to mean when he saw that we were playing our own music. And this friend should know as he's in the entertainment field and is well acquainted with just about all 'factions. '
- Silent night, Holy night.
YUP! That is how it feels to me when we've got that crap chill music on! Nobody moving about, the room bathed in the eerie and somber semi-darkness of the un-flickering still picture on at the TV screen, girls trying to act in an un-accustomed manner and everyone just getting smashed to relieve boredom.
- Forgeddaboudit – unless you're a fluent Chinese speaker!
WHAT and HOW are you going to be with your gal if you cain't converse with her? And there ain't nuthin' else to do when you're listening to chiill music. You cain't even join in the games – which are a must – as there really is nothing but stupid games to play under the circumstance. Oh, you can hold her hands all night long and stare forlornly into her eyes!
- You're in CP ForCrissakes – you're not in Rome or Cincinnati!
You want 'chill out' music – go to McDonalds like Santa say – or any other venue – and NOT a KTV where the rest of us also pay good money to enjoy what is expected to be enjoyed there! And if chill music is what you want –as what Dar says. Then pick and chose such songs from the usually massive playlist available at most KTV's in CP – just like the rest of us need to do if we want to listen OR SING certain songs. Don't be so self-centered!
OK – all that I can think of right now! And whilst I am of course given to exaggeration, the REAL truth is very much central in what I have written above.
So, like I said – just tell BSD what you want.
SEAJ
On a lighter note and coming back to the intent of ISG, which is reporting, I want to report about my Sauna Session at Meibao Sauna.
Meibao Sauna no longer requires you to go to some back dangerous alley. You can take the middle elevator at the swan lake plaza to the Sauna floor, or you can take the left elevator to the billiards hall and then take the right elevator to the sauna floor.
I went up to the line up and got number 680. She was a model category, which is 600 for her tip and room fee was 135 RMB. Anyhow, her ratings:
Face: 8. 5.
Body: 8. 5.
Service: 8.
She is a cute girl from Hunan. Has two tattoos on her body. She's got long dyed red hair. About 5 feet 6 inches, pretty tall for a hunan girl. B sized breasts. Slim and very skinny legs and slender body frame.
Service was pretty good. She showed a lot of emotion and effort in her service. However, is is definitely a pro, has been around in the Sauna business for at least 1 plus years. So if you are looking for freshness, then she's not going to be your type. But if you want someone who's going to be able to blow your load in her mouth, then she's someone who will be great for you.
Meibao's business has been off the hook. Lots of mongers all day long. They got a Sauna flower street in the lobby for guys to choose from, so you don't need to wait for the girls to come in one by one- which could be quite annoying.
In any case, very nice place, one of the best saunas in CP.
AsnDragon
With BBS prices at Swan Lake area going up to 250 RMB, Sauna action seems to be more worth it in comparison. I mean we can't all be like SEAJoe who can get special customer discount right? So I'm doing the math in my mind. I'm thinking to myself- a BBS girl is a hit of miss type of deal. You choose a girl at a BBS and sometimes you get subpar service. In addition, to add oil onto fire, girls at the BBS recently has been pathetic in terms of their quality. The good looking girls that I've had all left and went to work at KTVs. One of the BBS girl from "little Leaf" BBS room, left after 1 week of BBS work and went to Yihao KTV to work. I just saw her two nights ago. Girls in CP learn quick!
To not digress. Sauna at the Clipper is the following: 118 RMB for the room with special discount. Apparently all the managers at the Sauna center is quite desperate these days. Tips for the girls are 400, 500 and 600. 600 are for taller girls 165 CM or taller or they have great bodies.
But if you do the math correctly, if you just got a girl for 400 RMB tip and 118 RMB, that's a total damage of 518 RMB. But you get two pops and you also get 2 hours. In addition, you also automatically can assume that you will get a blow job from your girl at a Sauna. So you basically get two pops for 259 RMBs per pop at a sauna and you get better service at a Sauna.
At the BBS recently, I've gotten girls that refused to give me blow jobs. They lay there like a dead fish and expect you to blow your load and let them leave in 20 minutes. So 250 RMB for 20 minutes to 30 minutes of low service is starting to not make any sense anymore.
Versus paying 9 RMB more per pop, you get better sauna service, and free drink and fruit. That's not too bad of a deal.
AsnDragon
Swan Lake Sauna is even more desperate than ever. They have hired about 4 more sauna managers to get more customers to their Sauna department there. So for those of you who live at the Swan Lake Hotel, there's a bit of good news for you. The Sauna managers allow you to take their Sauna girls into your own hotel room, as a result, they will waive your sauna room fee. So all you need to pay for is the Sauna girl's tips, which is 400, 500 and 600 RMB. So if you take a 400 RMB girl, you still get two pops, guarantee blow job and it only comes out to be 200 RMB a pop. It's less expensive than Swan Lake BBS. Can you believe that?
So for a 500 RMB sauna girl, you get a better and taller girl, it's the same price per pop as a BBS and you get better service and guaranteed blow jobs.
Sure people will argue that Sauna girls are not as fresh and are more mechanical. However, we never know how long BBS girls have been working. I've seen BBS girls working since 2007 which are still around at BBS working. Sauna girls really do lick more anuses, but then again. Isn't that why guys go to saunas in the first place?
The RMB is appreciating, and things are getting more expensive in CP. You got to find ways to maximize every mao you got!
AsnDragon
On a lighter note and coming back to the intent of ISG, which is reporting, I want to report about my Sauna Session at Meibao Sauna.
Meibao Sauna no longer requires you to go to some back dangerous alley. You can take the middle elevator at the swan lake plaza to the Sauna floor, or you can take the left elevator to the billiards hall and then take the right elevator to the sauna floor.
I went up to the line up and got number 680. She was a model category, which is 600 for her tip and room fee was 135 RMB. Anyhow, her ratings:
Face: 8. 5.
Body: 8. 5.
Service: 8.
She is a cute girl from Hunan. Has two tattoos on her body. She's got long dyed red hair. About 5 feet 6 inches, pretty tall for a hunan girl. B sized breasts. Slim and very skinny legs and slender body frame.
Service was pretty good. She showed a lot of emotion and effort in her service. However, is is definitely a pro, has been around in the Sauna business for at least 1 plus years. So if you are looking for freshness, then she's not going to be your type. But if you want someone who's going to be able to blow your load in her mouth, then she's someone who will be great for you.
Meibao's business has been off the hook. Lots of mongers all day long. They got a Sauna flower street in the lobby for guys to choose from, so you don't need to wait for the girls to come in one by one- which could be quite annoying.
In any case, very nice place, one of the best saunas in CP.
AsnDragonHi AsnDragon,
Thanks for the report. I was there about 3 weeks ago, and also chose a model grade companion. The damage was 648 (400 for her. 248 for room) total. How did you get a discount on the room? I thought all room fee is the same. 248 rmb.
Sorry, I didn't get good service from her, so I didn't send out a report, it was late (10:30pm) , and I thought she might have gotten tired. At any rate, it could be that she didn't like me. It was my first time, and yes I will go back as I saw a short spinner with a huge knockers, great smile, but she got tagged before I had a chance.
Thanks!
Staid
Swan Lake Sauna is even more desperate than ever. They have hired about 4 more sauna managers to get more customers to their Sauna department there. So for those of you who live at the Swan Lake Hotel, there's a bit of good news for you. The Sauna managers allow you to take their Sauna girls into your own hotel room, as a result, they will waive your sauna room fee. So all you need to pay for is the Sauna girl's tips, which is 400, 500 and 600 RMB. So if you take a 400 RMB girl, you still get two pops, guarantee blow job and it only comes out to be 200 RMB a pop. It's less expensive than Swan Lake BBS. Can you believe that?
So for a 500 RMB sauna girl, you get a better and taller girl, it's the same price per pop as a BBS and you get better service and guaranteed blow jobs.
Sure people will argue that Sauna girls are not as fresh and are more mechanical. However, we never know how long BBS girls have been working. I've seen BBS girls working since 2007 which are still around at BBS working. Sauna girls really do lick more anuses, but then again. Isn't that why guys go to saunas in the first place?
The RMB is appreciating, and things are getting more expensive in CP. You got to find ways to maximize every mao you got!
AsnDragonHi AsnDragon,
Thanks for the information, this is really useful.
Coupla questions. How is the quality of the room in Swan Lake? What the daily rate?
The good thing about the SN room is the shower facility. If the guest room doesn't have good shower, then the experience is not the same. But having a SN girl in your own room is great as I can do SN in the afternoon, and take k gal home w / o forking out an extra 250+rmb.
Thanks!
Staid
Clickerman
03-21-11, 20:49
I plan on staying in Dongguan during the upcoming Canton Fair.
In this forum there is a lot of talk about saunas, KTV's, BBS's etc, but what I have an interest in is the format like they have in Wanchai, Hong Kong, where you walk into a bar, pick up a WG and bring her back to your room. Or go to her place. They used to have a bar like this in Guangzhou at the China Hotel (now the Marriott). Also, there are some bars near the Garden Hotel in Guangzhou where you could meet up with some nice ladies.
My question is: are there any bars (inside a hotel or not) where you can buy a girl a drink, talk with her a little, and if you like, bring her home.
Fast Eddie 48
03-21-11, 21:12
They still do that spitting during and after BBBJ but now it seems they've been trained to spit into the waste baskets.
Most of the Swan Lake BBS talent is in the 7-8 range but I'm not really fussy about looks. Service is more important, and they usually rated around 7. It's hard to get a GFE from BBS, they're more in it for the wham-bam-thank-you-sir. A lot of them wear way too much make-up. I really don't like that look, especially the fake eyelashes. The natural look is so much sexier. There were enough girls in the BBS for anyone to find a suitable one.To Bob
If you want a good BBBJ go to sauna girl there are better at BBBJ, they are better train than the girl at the bbs, I always ask if the girl is new to CP most likely service will be bad, it is hard to get GFE in China better go to Brazil or the Philipipine.
Fast Eddie 48
Jettsetter
03-21-11, 22:03
SEAJoe, BSD Dave, Jetsetter, Santa, etc (whoever is involved in this discussion) ,
I understand the frustration that has been floating around in regards to this "chill music." To SEAJoe's Credit, yes sometimes our girls, who are not avid dancers, will not like the chill music atmosphere. At the Penn, my gals 2 of them) were quite bored because they could not dance. As a result, with no singing they just sat in the corner as if they wanted to sleep. Two other girls from other two guys also were bored and didn't know what to do, because they are trained to sing and entertain in the old fashion way of a KTV joint. I was one of the people who voiced discontent, wanting at least a break from the music for a little bit so that perhaps the girls can get into the mood of the party by singing. So SEAJoe, thanks for backing some guys including me that evening.
However, to Jetsetter's credit, this party at Penn that evening was decided 1 week ago for a fellow brother's birthday party. As a result, he requested to have this chill music to be played. As a result, since it was his birthday, I overlooked the events of the night because:
1. It was a brother's Birthday Party, so I tend to just overlook things and just go with the flow.
2. I stayed not to ruin the mood for the Birthday Boy, nothing is worst than ruining someone's birthday party.
In addition, to BSD Dave's Credit, Dave is a very experienced party organizer. He's been in this game for more than 2 years already. So he knows how to organize things accordingly. The exact events of the night was this: Dave had the superior foresight of organizing two rooms that evening at the Penn. One room was for the singers- 8 brothers, and another room was for the Birthday Boy- 8 brothers with only chill music. However during the events of the night, things got mixed up all into one room. Now I'm only saying this because I know Dave had the foresight to organize two groups to make everyone happy. So BSD Dave did try his best to accommodate to everyone. Not everything works out according to plan. So I think Dave does his best to accommodate to 16 guys and about 22 girls a total of 38 people in one night. It's not an easy task so I commend him for his efforts. In addition, he is fair. He let's the majority rule the atmosphere of the KTV party. When we went tot Yihao, he allowed the majority to decide if they wanted the girls to sing. And the majority wanted girls to sing at the end of the evening so girls started singing.
So in the future, if and when singing is a requirement, then ask Dave is singing allowed or not. If it's not then you can reconsider if singing is a must for you. If you don't mind and just want to be with a girl, then it won't matter to you. But do ask beforehand so that everyone is on the same page. Dave is good at organizing and there's always more than 1 party on weekends so I'm sure he's more than willing to accommodate to your needs.
But honestly, at the end of the day, it was good hanging out with SEAJoe and catch up, play games and hang out with the Birthday Boy and everyone else that evening. Yes my girls were bored and I did wish they could have sung that evening to liven up or entertain me that evening, but hey SEAJoe- at least I got to catch up with you young man, it was a pleasure!
Santa- You seemed to have an OK time at Versaille. You were so cuddly with your girl that evening.
AsnDragon. Sorry to hear that you didn't have as great of a time. I think that the style of partying worked out at the Amazon. But didn't know you guys weren't enjoying yourselves at the party on Friday.
I'm glad you guys stayed and enjoyed irrespective. And you're right, it was about the birthday boy and his preferences.
I honestly think its cool to have a range of partying. Honestly to me, even the hip hop and dance music gets old so I just don't keep going to a KTV every night. Sometimes the singing is fun with the right crew.
But it's all about variety and perspective for me. Just like everyone has their own preferences which I don't fault anyone else for.
Now as to the Penn and Friday night. You all have to please understand that we were the ones that booked very early and decided to go to the penn. Dave knew from the time we booked, this was the way the party was going to be, and if others were going to join us. Well that's just the way it was going to be run that night.
It wasn't one of those, single brothers, everyone decides type of deals. And honestly if that becomes a problem in the future, either we all decide ahead of time, or open two rooms each time.
Frankly this issue isn't even a problem most of the time. And it's usually the other way around. So I'm very surprised this has become even a source of discontent. I'd say 90% of the time, we don't even have a choice of plugging in an ipod. . And when we do, it gets unplugged about half way through the night anyways to converted to singing. It's kind of ironic that the one time, when no singing was actually instituted- people griped.
Either way. I hope everyone had a good time irrespective. Because that's the whole point. It seemed like everyone did. I just hope that instead of all this "me" talk. We can open our eyes a bit and see that this was a private organized event for a birthday. For the enjoyment of all involved. But with particulars geared towards our guest of honor. And this is the way it was planned.
- Jett
Thanks for all the birthday wishes guys! To those who didn't make it, we will def party next time you guys are in town. Just want to apologize to guys who didn't have a good time last Friday. I didn't even know there was a problem. Then again I was pretty wasted!
Anyways, moving ahead. Will be going to Meibao for the 1st time tomorrow :] Hope its as awesome as advertised!
Peace to all,
Sauce
On a lighter note and coming back to the intent of ISG, which is reporting, I want to report about my Sauna Session at Meibao Sauna.
Meibao Sauna no longer requires you to go to some back dangerous alley. You can take the middle elevator at the swan lake plaza to the Sauna floor, or you can take the left elevator to the billiards hall and then take the right elevator to the sauna floor.
I went up to the line up and got number 680. She was a model category, which is 600 for her tip and room fee was 135 RMB. Anyhow, her ratings:
Face: 8. 5.
Body: 8. 5.
Service: 8.
She is a cute girl from Hunan. Has two tattoos on her body. She's got long dyed red hair. About 5 feet 6 inches, pretty tall for a hunan girl. B sized breasts. Slim and very skinny legs and slender body frame.
Service was pretty good. She showed a lot of emotion and effort in her service. However, is is definitely a pro, has been around in the Sauna business for at least 1 plus years. So if you are looking for freshness, then she's not going to be your type. But if you want someone who's going to be able to blow your load in her mouth, then she's someone who will be great for you.
Meibao's business has been off the hook. Lots of mongers all day long. They got a Sauna flower street in the lobby for guys to choose from, so you don't need to wait for the girls to come in one by one- which could be quite annoying.
In any case, very nice place, one of the best saunas in CP.
AsnDragonLast month (28/2/2011) I went there. Rate is 300, 350, 400 for WG and room fee was 238.
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Sorry to hear that you didn't have as great of a time. I think that the style of partying worked out at the Amazon. But didn't know you guys weren't enjoying yourselves at the party on Friday.
I'm glad you guys stayed and enjoyed irrespective. And you're right, it was about the birthday boy and his preferences.
I honestly think its cool to have a range of partying. Honestly to me, even the hip hop and dance music gets old so I just don't keep going to a KTV every night. Sometimes the singing is fun with the right crew.
But it's all about variety and perspective for me. Just like everyone has their own preferences which I don't fault anyone else for.
Now as to the Penn and Friday night. You all have to please understand that we were the ones that booked very early and decided to go to the penn. Dave knew from the time we booked, this was the way the party was going to be, and if others were going to join us. Well that's just the way it was going to be run that night.
It wasn't one of those, single brothers, everyone decides type of deals. And honestly if that becomes a problem in the future, either we all decide ahead of time, or open two rooms each time.
Frankly this issue isn't even a problem most of the time. And it's usually the other way around. So I'm very surprised this has become even a source of discontent. I'd say 90% of the time, we don't even have a choice of plugging in an ipod. . And when we do, it gets unplugged about half way through the night anyways to converted to singing. It's kind of ironic that the one time, when no singing was actually instituted- people griped.
Either way. I hope everyone had a good time irrespective. Because that's the whole point. It seemed like everyone did. I just hope that instead of all this "me" talk. We can open our eyes a bit and see that this was a private organized event for a birthday. For the enjoyment of all involved. But with particulars geared towards our guest of honor. And this is the way it was planned.
- JettA very good reply from Jett and I think we should just leave it there.
Sardaukar1
03-22-11, 04:08
I know I get such head-aches! But then again, my friend (who has been coming to China for over 30 years and CP over 10 years) and who had 'visited' us at our room that night had made a semi-serious joke about 'Man – you guys are going to be easy targets! ' with all the implications such joke is supposed to mean when he saw that we were playing our own music.What DID he mean exactly when he said they were going to be easy targets? Targets of whom?
Jettsetter
03-22-11, 04:18
Last month (28/2/2011) I went there. Rate is 300, 350, 400 for WG and room fee was 238.
? The pricing is less if you call ahead. PM Me. I have a contact. He's not great according to LADude, but I don't have any others currently. I'll pick up another contact next time I go as LA Dude felt he got less than stellar service from the manager (I. E. Promising a booking that didn't materialize).
Either way. Don't go to most places unless you call ahead. If you go cold, you're usually going to pay about 30-40 rmb more for that same session.
I guess it's just a way of keeping customer loyalty to their specific managers.
-Jett
Jettsetter
03-22-11, 04:24
I think there's a range of people coming into town. Sort of like the "quiet storm". Brewing about. I know Chriss Thorr and his group are coming but not sure when they'll be here.. They are TROUBLE! Hahaa. I remember those parties.
Dan Hawaii? You almost here. Let us all know, and we'll do a party soon.
Lots of fun times await.
Robin Mill
03-22-11, 09:24
Damn.
I am really missing you boys. AsnDragon, Swedish Joe, and BSDave!
For me, the night is not complete without Linkin Park with Dave! I dread it when girls sing. Because it is usually those slow, Chinese love song. I yet to see a KTV gal sing a dance remix and dance at the same time. I will NEVER sing a slow song in the middle of the party, as it will pull the high energy of the party down. Starting and ending, yes. I am very particular about the party mood.
Don't forget to catch Lickin Fark (China Imitation) Live in CP soon. With Me (Chester) and Dave (Mike Shinoda) at Fu Hao! (Is there any other KTV with more Linkin Park music?)
But honestly, at the end of the day, it was good hanging out with SEAJoe and catch up, play games and hang out with the Birthday Boy and everyone else that evening. Yes my girls were bored and I did wish they could have sung that evening to liven up or entertain me that evening, but hey SEAJoe- at least I got to catch up with you young man, it was a pleasure!
Santa- You seemed to have an OK time at Versaille. You were so cuddly with your girl that evening.
AsnDragon.
Big Swingin Dave
03-22-11, 10:03
Starting today, any parties that you have been invited to attend will either be:
OPEN: Anyone can join with invitation using the KTV's music system without any outside music and everyone having equal opportunity to ENTERTAIN or BORE the rest of the people in the room, food is subject to a separate bill and drinks are ordered on a consensus basis and shared equally at the end of the night or whenever the guest leaves which ever comes first;
OR.
SPECIAL: Special organized group party with invited guests only. Group leader has the option to choose music, food, and drinks for the room. Guests can also order food and drinks in the room but may subject to a split bill at the end of the night or whenever the guest leaves whichever comes first.
If you have any questions, please PM me. The above is subject to change and any guests attending any future parties will be notified of any changes or special circumstances.
BSD
Yo Sauce,
Happy Belated Birthday. Sorry I missed the party. Will buy you a drink next time. We got to work on that pick and roll when I get back!
Thanks for all the birthday wishes guys! To those who didn't make it, we will def party next time you guys are in town. Just want to apologize to guys who didn't have a good time last Friday. I didn't even know there was a problem. Then again I was pretty wasted!
Anyways, moving ahead. Will be going to Meibao for the 1st time tomorrow :] Hope its as awesome as advertised!
Peace to all,
Sauce
Staid Lo,
I think it was 135 rmb or 185 RMB. But it was certainly not 238 RMB. I've been to so many saunas I'm losing track of the room price. But I got a discount because I know one of the managers there and I prebook ahead of time.
It's hard to attract and retain girls to work in CP, so everyone is giving girls higher tips. So sauna management tactics are to charge less of the rooms and to take some commission off of girl's tips. But recently, they needed to give girls more tips to retain talent. This is seen in swan lake BBS recently. Even KTV sitting fees have increased by 100 RMB in many establishments, not all, but many.
For Meibao- call ahead of time for the managers as they all need to maintain their monthly quotas and they reciprocate their appreciation by giving you a discounted room price.
AsnDragon.
Hi AsnDragon,
Thanks for the report. I was there about 3 weeks ago, and also chose a model grade companion. The damage was 648 (400 for her. 248 for room) total. How did you get a discount on the room? I thought all room fee is the same. 248 rmb.
Sorry, I didn't get good service from her, so I didn't send out a report, it was late (10:30pm) , and I thought she might have gotten tired. At any rate, it could be that she didn't like me. It was my first time, and yes I will go back as I saw a short spinner with a huge knockers, great smile, but she got tagged before I had a chance.
Thanks!
Staid
Jett,
Don't worry about it. Part of the reason I wasn't having fun was because I didn't like the girls I picked. One was giving me a shit attitude and the other one was pretending to be drunk after 2 bottles of beer.
Regardless, it's a small issue and nothing to really stress about.
I'm just glad that the Birthday Boy had a good time and it's always good to party at a KTV regardless.
AsnDragon.
Either way. I hope everyone had a good time irrespective. Because that's the whole point. It seemed like everyone did. I just hope that instead of all this "me" talk. We can open our eyes a bit and see that this was a private organized event for a birthday. For the enjoyment of all involved. But with particulars geared towards our guest of honor. And this is the way it was planned.
- Jett
Robin,
Where have you been? Are you in town? We miss your singing and your hyper attitude in the room!
AsnDragon.
Damn.
I am really missing you boys. AsnDragon, Swedish Joe, and BSDave!
For me, the night is not complete without Linkin Park with Dave! I dread it when girls sing. Because it is usually those slow, Chinese love song. I yet to see a KTV gal sing a dance remix and dance at the same time. I will NEVER sing a slow song in the middle of the party, as it will pull the high energy of the party down. Starting and ending, yes. I am very particular about the party mood.
Don't forget to catch Lickin Fark (China Imitation) Live in CP soon. With Me (Chester) and Dave (Mike Shinoda) at Fu Hao! (Is there any other KTV with more Linkin Park music?)
Swan Lake Hotel rooms in the B wing are a bit old. 4 years old to be exact. So carpet is a bit dirty. If you can book the 9th floor as it was renovated 3 years ago, a bit nicer.
Room restrooms only have shower. They don't have that potty hole chair where you can sit down and they can scrub your anus, but they try their best to accommodate and give you all the same services they do in a sauna room.
The A wing, was renovated last year. Nice rooms, nice blankets and beds. Restrooms are much smaller though and the shower may flood. But it's a bit cheaper than the B wing due to it's room size. I don't think they Sauna girls will go to the A wing as it's too far for them to travel, I think they only accommodate to customers on the B wing.
Hope this helps.
AsnDragon.
Hi AsnDragon,
Thanks for the information, this is really useful.
Coupla questions. How is the quality of the room in Swan Lake? What the daily rate?
The good thing about the SN room is the shower facility. If the guest room doesn't have good shower, then the experience is not the same. But having a SN girl in your own room is great as I can do SN in the afternoon, and take k gal home w / o forking out an extra 250+rmb.
Thanks!
Staid
Hi all went to Chang Ping via the railway station@shenzhen, price about 45rmb and very fast service to CP. I also bought a China SIM for 60RMB at the stall next to the ticket office as my Roaming didn't seem to work in China.
BSD was my contact and he gave me advice and kept me informed all the way from HK up to the hotel he had booked for me the Peninsula. After waiting at the back entrance for 15 minutes for a receptionist I finally made my way round to the front entrance to be checked in by 3 cute receptionists. Cost was 300rmb a night for a decent sized room, clean and comfortable. Breakfast included but standard China fare and not up to much really. Pen is a little isolated I found, within walking distance of clipper but when I was around there it was cold and I wouldn't fancy walking around there by myself at night.
I met up with the LEGEND that is BSD Dave we had a bite to eat before proceeding up to the nights venue.
PENINSULA KTV.
Now this is my first time since I was about 16 that I have been to this kind of KTV and so I consider it my first time. We met some other memebers of the group and BSD introduced me and all very friendly and welcoming. We made our way nto the room and I was very impressed, it was a large room lavishly decorated and seemingly very good hardware.
Girls and drinks were called for and huge trays of delicious fruit were available. In the peninsula girls are lined up in the room for you to choose so no flower street. There was 5 of us guys choosing at this point so I didn't feel under any personal pressure to choose, however in the very first lineup I knabbed a very hot looking girl and Dave agreed she was a nice pick. Her name was xiao fei 19/20/21? For shanxii I think, I was advised by the guys to pick 2 girls so after another couple of lineups I saw another girl I kinda liked. However she was hiding around the corner and trying to run away from our group fo are some reason this made me want to pick her even more for some reason name Dong Dong 20 yrs old? From Hulan. This girl although not as pretty as xiao fei was probably more MCOT, these girls were both 3/7/10 so already I was 600 down at least but I was VERY happy with my picks. I noticed the other guys mostly picked 1 girl each, but they were more experienced and probably knew their own taste.
My girls were both the middle category and wore a flower patterned silk dress. I sat and chatted with the girls. Well I sat with them and watched in awe as the lineups got prettier and prettier and the sheer number of girls piling through left my jaw on the ground. What I SHOULD have been doing was interacting with my girls to see if we would be compatible. Luckily both my girls were fine and we got on splendidly all through the night they were great company and we played dice drank and chatted together.
Dave came over and played with us for a bit teaching us some games so the whole table could interact and have fun, now I know we are payingfor his hosting the party. But I felt this was above and beyond as he and the girls were genuinley having a blast. Dong dong asked if she could get changed, when she came down she was even more mcot.
Jettsetter and a couple of other guys joined the party, so the room was pretty full now the atmosphere was great and there was music and then one of my girls dong dong really started to push for the fisnish line as she got up and started singing and dancing. I was genuinely impressed as she was a good singer and loooked very cute as she belted out ballad after ballad. Xiao fei now also went to get changed and she came down in a absolutley stunning green dress to show off her curves. I felt very much the BSD and was very proud to have 2 babes sitting with me.
At this point I had drunk copious amounts of (weak) beer as the party drew to a close. I was faced with a awful dilemma, which one was I taking home. I had been swaying towards dong dong all night until "green dress time". Opinions differed between the guys and one guy even wanted to take dong dong home with him should I take xiao fei. This would have worked out great all round as I wouldn't even need to pay her 300 sitting fee, however I couldn't give her up fter she had made all that effort in the room. Dave helped me to gracefully let xiao fei go, and I was overjoyed with my choice.
Cost was about 350-400 for the room and drinks, no food. 300 sitting fee for xiao fei, told her I was going drinking and would take her next time.
We went upstairs to my room we showered and some LFK ensued on the bed, dong dong was playful and she had a body to die for. A great young body in good proportion, dunno if she was "spinner" type but definatley MY type. BBBJ was short and almost non existant, this would be my only complaint about the girl she was lazy in bed =.
Didn't matter anyway as I was so horny for her I began a sauna routine on her and gave HER a catbath and DATY until she was sopping wet. She was certainly enjoying herself! She demanded why I wasnt screwing her already! I moved up and wehn she didn't move for a Dom I queiried if she wanted to go BB (I could easily have entered her BB if I wanted to and I think she would have let me). She objected slightly so I asked her where the condom was, SHE didn't have one! Now bros don't forget I am a KTV NEWBIE! Sauna veteran! So NO I didn't realise I should be providing the condoms. Luckily in the Pen they have condoms in the bathroom 30RMB for 3 no biggieI would have paid 300 in that moment!
SO on went the smallish and thin-ish condom and I entered into her missionary, I basicaly just started absolutley nailing her to the bed pelvic bones were jarring against each other. She was too lazy for CG so that was short and sweet, then switch to doggy, she mentioned she was getting dry now due to the long break in getting the dom. But I was ready to blow and after a few thrusts from me and her I unloaded deep into her while tighly grabbing her thin waist. I was absolutley drained my balls into her and could feel a huge load while pulling out, unfortunately while pulling out the load ploped onto the bed and the end of my cock was totally exposed! With about 1/3rd of the dom strangled around my shaft.
Dong dong was pretty upset and as it wasnt planned to be a BB on my part I was upset about it as well. I was planning on overnighting with her but she seemed upset and I was a little shocked so I paid her and let her go. She asked for another 100 for a morning after treatment so I happily gave it to her. It was a real shame as the whole point of going to KTV instead of sauna and not KTV was to do a overnighter. I regretted letting her go all night long but as I didn't have any other condoms that factored into it as well.
So all in all a decent night, I called dave ro regale my nightmare and he helped me get over it by taking me to Pozilum which is opposite Miraton hotel. Where I got a very nice massage from another VERY cute girl who Dave had chosen specially for me. Nice touch.
Story TBC Day 2 my FIRST FLOWER STREET@FU HAO
Yeah man, work that play to perfection! When's the next time you'll be back?
Tell your boy Jerry to pick up Cam in the draft because Romo ain't the answer!
Peace,
Sauce.
Yo Sauce,
Happy Belated Birthday. Sorry I missed the party. Will buy you a drink next time. We got to work on that pick and roll when I get back!
Mit Fo Lfe
03-23-11, 02:52
Yo Sauce,
Happy Belated Birthday. Sorry I missed the party. Will buy you a drink next time. We got to work on that pick and roll when I get back! Fuck that. Never playing ball again. Going to have to call in sick tomorrow to see the doc as my thumb is still fucked up. Should've extended my trip for a few more days
Fuck that. Never playing ball again. Going to have to call in sick tomorrow to see the doc as my thumb is still fucked up. Should've extended my trip for a few more daysMit I think I met you too! Sorry I omitted you again but I met so many people and drunk so much its all a bit of a haze. Thanks for the dice game you showed me, that was a lot of fun!
Hope you get well soon and it was a pleasure to meet you!
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 06:06
4 times a year? You lucky man! Haha.
How long do you stay during each visit? I found that when you go past 10 days with non-stop action, you become numb to hot looking chics. However, every time you visit the pull is stronger for you to come back. It is seriously addictive and really fucking with my mind on my perspective on relationships back home. Grrrrr. I usually stay 2 weeks. Totally agree with you on getting numb, but never to hot looking chicks. Hahaha. Yup, very addicting, makes you want to move here or closer. Relationships, yup, thinking of severing all my relationships just to move closer or in CP. Hahaha.
Damn HK guys are lucky.
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 06:59
I plan on staying in Dongguan during the upcoming Canton Fair.
In this forum there is a lot of talk about saunas, KTV's, BBS's etc, but what I have an interest in is the format like they have in Wanchai, Hong Kong, where you walk into a bar, pick up a WG and bring her back to your room. Or go to her place. They used to have a bar like this in Guangzhou at the China Hotel (now the Marriott). Also, there are some bars near the Garden Hotel in Guangzhou where you could meet up with some nice ladies.
My question is: are there any bars (inside a hotel or not) where you can buy a girl a drink, talk with her a little, and if you like, bring her home. Yup, got these in Chang Ping. Its actually the common bar of the KTV, you can have a line up, pick a girl, and drink at the bar area with her. I know it's not exactly what you are looking for, but its the closest CP has, and its a guarantee homerun. If you don't like her, you have 10 minutes to decide for free, otherwise, it will costs you 200-300 rmb.
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 07:13
I think there's a range of people coming into town. Sort of like the "quiet storm". Brewing about. I know Chriss Thorr and his group are coming but not sure when they'll be here. They are TROUBLE! Hahaa. I remember those parties.
Dan Hawaii? You almost here. Let us all know, and we'll do a party soon.
Lots of fun times await. Wow, been reading the forum for the first time, since landing in China.
Just as long as there are beers and dice on the table and 2 girls by my side, I don't care what music is played. Hahaha. I'm easy.
In chang an right now, heading back to CP tomorrow. Hope to be able to party with you guys soon.
MidniteOwl
03-23-11, 08:05
Fellow Mongers,
Will be in Shenzhen in the early summer and thought I might go check out what all the fuss is about in Dongguan. I'm Cantonese and can speak a bit of Mandarin. Although not that great. Planning to go with some friends, one of them is Caucasian so I have a feeling I might run into a bit of hassles. Maybe even trouble.
What are the dangers of Dongguan these days? Still as bad as I hear?
Thanks
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 08:11
Long ass trip to get to CP. 10. 5 hours from Hawaii to Philippines stopover. Had a 5 hour stopover, so went to Air Force One in Sucat city. Very close to airport, only a 15 minute taxi ride. It's like a sauna, but much less, compared to CP standards. There's a business class and first class. Decided on going first class, picked a girl the manager said was good at massage and stuff, so I said alright.
Got into the room, and its kind of old and shabby. 2.5 star at the most. Girl was fun, spoke English, and was pretty good service, but she had a baby and her tits were black and sagging, from breast feeding, I guess.
L=8.
Body=6.
Service=8.
Total cost was $95 USD.
Was just what I neeeded after a long ass airplane ride.
Got another legit massage at the airport for $30 USD.
Then off to Hong Kong.
Landed in HK around 10pm, Sunday. Almost never had a sky limo to take me to CP, if I arrived 10 minutes later, I would've been fucked. That would of sucked. E&E never had one, but the orange uniform company had one van left. Thank goodness!
Went to Hui Mei Sauna, since I read Dave's report saying it was worth checking out. And yup was a good choice.
They have a air matress shower thing going there. This is where the girls bathes you and licks you and suck you in so many places. So much better than the Philippines! Forgot what she looked like, but I know she was hot, and service was good as can be. Glad to have made it to CP!
If you call Betty, a manager there, she can get a discount for you. Sorry, I lost her number, but if you call Dave, I'm sure he has a contact there Or anywhere in CP.
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 08:33
Next day, headed out to Chang An. Had a driver take 4 of us to Park Hyatt for 130 rmb. Nice hotel, only 368. It's a 5 star Hotel and its damn nice. The only reason why its cheap is because the hotel is still being built. Like the pool area and another wing sections are still closed.
That night went to Park View KTV. Very highend expensive KTV. Girls were 3-10-13, or 5-13-15 for models. Pretty sure thats the pricing, its wierd that the jump from sitting fee to short term is so much more than CP. Like DMFL is 2-6-8, instead of 2-5-8. All of Chang An is like that. Anyways, back to Park View, nothing really special to report there, it's just damn expensive, and the girls were not all that higher quality than in a regular CP KTV.
And the DJ costs 300 rmb!!!
Paid 700 rmb each, no food for ktv, 4 guys. But drank sooo much, everyone was hanging hard the next day. Because was my first ktv of the trip.
Would not repeat Park View KTV.
Dan Hawaii
03-23-11, 08:50
Went to a sauna, don't remember the name. But this place is crusty / tattered, pillow smelled like cum. For real, not kidding.
But, damn did I have fun there. Had a girl named Long Yang, she was a cutie that reminded me of a girl back home. She was all that. Oil rub down, not with her hands, but her ass, tits, pussy, body, legs, lips, and tongue. Was kind of amazed she was, not so much hot, but so cute. Working so hard and smiling all the way through. Kind of feel sorry for these girls working so hard and giving so much for a couple of hundred Maos. Oh well. She was total GFE, the most I ever had. She told me to call her at 1 am that night, for dinner, because thats when she gets out of that sweat shop. Hahaha. Was only 400 rmb, but just for 1.5 hours (I think).
Went to DMFL, don't ask me what that stands for. But its one hell of a place. Strip KTV with stripping and grinding games DJ'ed by the DJ. And more stripping, grinding dancing games DJ'ed by a manager dude. He was good fun. Not sure what the fuck he said, but I liked what he was saying, because all the girls started to go topless, and each girl went around grinding each guy. So you had the chance to grope every girl in there. There's one time, the girls stripped down to nothing and everyone had to dance and grope everyone. Was the most wild organized party I ever went to. Another game was that you get blind folded and you need to guess which girls tities is yours, so you end up touching all the girls titties. Hahaha. I had 2 girls, but let one go early as she was nice, pretty, and polite, but just wasn't into her. And I was so into the other girl, that I wanted to focus on her. She was a small tight bodied little spinner. Nice tight ass too! Hard body! Very GFE. She was tight in all the right places, like a virgin, yeah.
Defineately would repeat DMFL. One of the most fun ktvs around.
Paid 600 rmb each for the ktv with food, four guys. Because the boys and I drink a lot.
Girls with hands in back are 2-6-8
Girls with hands in front are 3-8-10 (I think)
Yo Dawg. You needed some exercise. I mean other than the horizontal kind!
Fuck that. Never playing ball again. Going to have to call in sick tomorrow to see the doc as my thumb is still fucked up. Should've extended my trip for a few more days
Hopefully October. By then you will be a CP vet!
Yeah man, work that play to perfection! When's the next time you'll be back?
Tell your boy Jerry to pick up Cam in the draft because Romo ain't the answer!
Peace,
Sauce.
Mit Fo Lfe
03-24-11, 01:38
Yo Dawg. You needed some exercise. I mean other than the horizontal kind!Ya I do get a range of excercises while in the room. Didn't help that I went shooting today either! See you sat!
I wasn't actually going to bring this matter up on the boards as I had thought it to be something which should be settled privately – but of course you had to bring it up didn't you Santa?
OK – now that's it out in the open – I'd like to stress that I do have an open mind to this matter and would really like to hear from others what you all think about all this supposed 'chill' music we've had to endure when we go to a KTV. I realize that most have refrained from doing so as I believe that they thought it not appropriate / too polite to make a big deal of their preferences. The way that some may have inadvertently but definitely done so. But since I'm always the bad guy anyway, I may as well!
I believe that many amongst us may have 'tolerated' this, but IMHO, it doesn't mean that we all are happy with what has been happening of late when we've had to endure such rap or hip hop or whatever 'chill' music it's supposed to be (not really sure – us Swedes only listen to ABBA). In fact, SEVERAL guys have asked me personally as well as by PM and e-mail to say something. But what actually prompts me to now write about this (besides Santa bitchin' about it) is that one of the gals last Friday actually made a casual – but quite caustic remark stating along the line of "Oh yeah, these ABC's, they've got to show that they're different. HA-hA! ' And for good measure added "Yeah, our KTV is not good enough for them! ' – that I took to mean her resenting this callous show of airs / cultural superiority.
And when I think about it – why go to a KTV if all you wanted to do is to listen to your own 'chill' (read B. O. R. I. N. G.) music AND insisting that all others, who ARE also paying their fair share – to have to listen to this crap. Yeah, OK, KTV singing is also crap – but it IS what we go to a KTV for. One night I did notice that Dave had arranged for separate rooms for KTV singing and non singing and it should have been THE LEAST he should have done when the party consisted of so many PAYING attendees last Friday; as it is, I had guyS coming up to me to ask me to say something – and surprisingly, even someone I had just met that night told me that all this supposed 'chill' music was NOT what he had expected when he came all the way to China to experience; he was just sitting with his gal, not being able to speak to her and not knowing what he was doing and just getting bored with the whole thing. And he hilariously told me that he didn't come here to watch guys thinking they're cool, dancing, when they look like moose on mating call!
Oh, I did try to say something last Friday, but I was also ignored, and as I had another room I could go to, I just went ahead and left to go to that other room.
I personally go to a KTV to hang out with guys, sing a few songs, listen to others sing, play games, go silly and raucous – and definitely NOT to 'chill out, play quiet card games or listen to songs which I don't understand with all that swearing and cussing. To me, it's just boring, boring, BORING! Fine if it's just a half hour or so – but to have a whole night of this crap? Come ON! And if I'm bored – what do you think about the girls? They're bored shitless with it and it shows in the way they relate and act with the guys. BORED and cain't wait for it all to be over!
Anyway, I've opened it up – and now I would like to hear others' opinions.
SEAJ.
Ps. Santa you chicken shit. Sure didn't sound that this is "Not that important to me". Not the way you went on and on about it! Yes, Yes and Yes!
4 times a year? You lucky man! Haha.
How long do you stay during each visit? I found that when you go past 10 days with non-stop action, you become numb to hot looking chics. However, every time you visit the pull is stronger for you to come back. It is seriously addictive and really fucking with my mind on my perspective on relationships back home. Grrrrr. Yes, I agree. It does fuck with your mind and perspective on relationships back home.
Many, many guys, after doing this kind of shit for many many years, say they don't even want a normal relationship anymore. They just want the hookers, because it is cheaper and more convenient.
Maybe it is more like, that they became unable to lead a normal realtionship, because the mongering has fucked up their minds and hearts.
What do you guys think?
To not digress. Sauna at the Clipper is the following: 118 RMB for the room with special discount. Apparently all the managers at the Sauna center is quite desperate these days. Tips for the girls are 400, 500 and 600. 600 are for taller girls 165 CM or taller or they have great bodies.
But if you do the math correctly, if you just got a girl for 400 RMB tip and 118 RMB, that's a total damage of 518 RMB. But you get two pops and you also get 2 hours. In addition, you also automatically can assume that you will get a blow job from your girl at a Sauna. So you basically get two pops for 259 RMBs per pop at a sauna and you get better service at a Sauna.
At the BBS recently, I've gotten girls that refused to give me blow jobs. They lay there like a dead fish and expect you to blow your load and let them leave in 20 minutes. So 250 RMB for 20 minutes to 30 minutes of low service is starting to not make any sense anymore.
Versus paying 9 RMB more per pop, you get better sauna service, and free drink and fruit. That's not too bad of a deal.
AsnDragonWant inexpensive sauna?
I'm Zhongshan there are Saunas for 170 RMB for 60 minutes. 250 for 60 minutes, with shower outside. Room with shower is 200 RMB. Room is reallly quite ok but smaller. Girls are pretty and young.
With showerbed and nicer and much bigger boink rooms it is 300 RMB for 120 minutes.
Most expensive Zhongshan sauna is 508 RMB / 608 RMB / 708 RMB.
Sure people will argue that Sauna girls are not as fresh and are more mechanical. However, we never know how long BBS girls have been working. I've seen BBS girls working since 2007 which are still around at BBS working.
AsnDragonMechanical girls. I agree.
The freshest and least mechanical girls are the non professional freebies.
LOL, thats gross, but funny!
Went to a sauna, don't remember the name. But this place is crusty / tattered, pillow smelled like cum. For real, not kidding.
Mit Fo Lfe
03-24-11, 04:05
Mit I think I met you too! Sorry I omitted you again but I met so many people and drunk so much its all a bit of a haze. Thanks for the dice game you showed me, that was a lot of fun!
Hope you get well soon and it was a pleasure to meet you! If you were the one at Fh that night then I'm glad you had fun. Only prob was that your girls went after me and I got fucked up early on. Also didn't help that my thumb was jacked up. Hope to party with you next time
I wake up early the second day still exhilarated about being in CP and the events to come. I figure I should rest this morning so order a massage to my room. In the Peninsula they have a massage place but as a guest taking a massage in your room you get a discount.
Plus I am hoping to get a cute young thing to roll about on my bed with me. I am disappointed however as I get a very plain looking girl, late 20s. Her massage skills aren't that great either and I can't get any of the sleep I was hoping she would induce. She keeps asking me if I want a oil massage which I decline. She's massaging all round my thighs and ass but little bro has no reaction, due to fatigue I guess but then she starts rubbing around my stomach and little bro wakes up as her arm is brushing against him! I don't think its intentional but after a while she notices and starts giggling, mentioning that it's a big one!
Of course I grab her hand and put it on there and she starts rubbing me under the towel exclaiming about the size. I ask if she has ever had one like that and if she would like to try. She thinks about it but then goes back to the sell about oil, so I let her go grab some. All lubed up and her HJ skills aren't fantastic and I need to pop now. So I convince her not to pass up the chance of some sex as she hasn't screwed in a long time she tells me.
We go and shower to get the oil off and she has a OK body, bit shorter and wider than I normally go for but perfectly fuckable. Of course she's ticklish and I don't really fancy going through the motions with her so she expects me to poke it straight in. She's sopping wet, which is what I like about civvie girls and I put her in a few positions but don't waste too much time or energy conserving myself for the night ahead.
Time for tips and she's expecting 3-400RMB! I tell her that I can get a tight young working girl for that money and send her on her way with much less. Guess I was expecting a freebie and should have sorted that up front, but she didn't say anything about it beforehand.
Pozilum.
Meet up with Dave and the guys for a real massage at PZL I have the girl I had the night before (BSD arranged it?) anyway if I had this girl in the hotel it would be heaven.
I met Tiger39 again who I met the night before at Peninsula and he regaled me with his wild goings on the night before. We relaxed and chatted a bit and it was a real pleasure to be able to pick the brains of a CP regular. I must thank Tiger again for looking out for me over the 2 days he was extremely friendly and offered sound advice. I was very well looked after in PZL by Daves girl who made sure I was fed and watered also!
Fu Hao.
We headed over to Fu Hao with Sauce and Jet and as we approached my heart pumped with expectation. We headed up a secluded yet luxurious driveway which was pretty empty at this point. Went indoors to the smartly decorated 2 story lobby with a circular staircase, very grand. This further satiated my appetite, the KTV room was smaller than the one we had the night before at Pen. Dave went about sorting out a bigger room.
We headed outside the room into the lobby again and I could really feel the tension building all around the building. The once empty driveway was now filling up (literally) with joes and it was like fight night while we waited for the performers to fill the ring. We weren't disappointed as a string of about 20-30 beauties filed out all tall and in proportion in long flowing dresses. These were the models and they filed up the stairs and sat around a little waiting area where punters were able to get up close and ogle them.
Still there was tension in the room as this seemed like the pre-show then as I stood upstairs girls started filing out all shapes and sizes mostly cute! The procession seemed endless as literally hundreds of girls streamed out, I know I was told to choose quickly but I was in a semi state of shock and I could easily have picked out 30 girls in 5 minutes.
I went downstairs to where the girls had formed ranks and the place was literally wall to wall with girls and horny guys meandering their way through this road of girls. Now I began to really feel under pressure as girls were being picked left right and centre and most of the girls I had like on the way out was now gone. I must have walked around 5 times and the decrease in quality (although no decrease in quantity seemingly) was plain to see with each circle I made. I grabbed one girls hand to walk with me, but she walked all of 10 steps before she asked if she could wait in the room. I agreed, though in hindsight it was a mistake as a) She could have been hijacked and be) She already assumes you are going to pay her sitting fee.
I carried on walking around looking for my second girl, I was going to take Tigers advice on this and choose a girl who wanted to fuck ME! This proved difficult though as I found the girls I liked tended to shy away from me. Then there were girls recommending their friends, who in turn would point to other friends, this confused the hell out of me! Some girls were on the rag, some girls were too shy and some girls were just plain not interested.
Finally I settled on a girl who smiled at me and I took her upstairs this girl was from gongsai? Now I am going to have to refer to the girls as Hulan and gongsai as I don't have much recollection of them if I'm honest.
I went upstairs to join Hulan looked around the room no sign of her! I was convinced she had been hijacked. So Dave told me to leave Gongsai in the room to look for Hulan, I was pretty panicked and pissed off as Hulan was VERY cute. So I had to dump Gongsai in the room, which I'm sure she wasn't happy about and contributed to events later in the night.
I looked all over for Hulan but if she had returned to the line-up she would have gone for sure. So I had to go through the whole rigmarole of choosing another girl. This time it was excrutiating as there was far less bros now and I kind of stood out as the asshole who had walked the line 10 times. I picked a girl quickly and just as we are entering the lift a girl in civvie girl walks up to us and smiles at me, its Hulan! She had disappeared to get changed WTF? Now I was pretty mad and her and the girl I had to send back to the line was very decent about it. But Hulan was fucking hot and MCOT so I was more please to see her than angry.
Hulan sat on my left and Gongsai on my right and in the room BOTH were very cute and just my type. I find with picking 2 girls its quite hard to keep them both interested and occupied. I got the impression that they didn't like having competition not directly but felt they were a less confident once they knew. I enjoyed the experience though and they would both take turns to look after me and drink drinks for me when I lost. Both 19/20/21? Small, not too thin and with good skin.
Hulan went out to make a phone call and Dave asked me what was happening with her I explained she had gone to get changed at first and now had gone to make a call. She was actually gone a long time and I thought she had bolted, but phone calls were made and she finally returned to be admonished.
We played a little dice and then joined the other guys (MIT fo life?) on the table for some kind of craps game. Now this game and a game that Dave had showed me on the first night were the most fun, as it got everyone on the table involved that was up to 8-9 people at points.
The girls were kind of fun but a little disinterested so I tried to loosen them up with more drink and games. Now the other 2 guys girls on the table were losing badly on this game, I didn't want to get them drunk so even drank for them when they lost. G had a girl on my table who seemed to be slutty, hot and lots of fun a great pick I thought. However as the night went on she was getting more and more antagonised with me and kept challenging me to drink with her.
Hulan had been busy on her phone all night despite being told by me to leave it and she seemed occupied. Then she mentioned as she played with D that she would like to leave and if she got drunk would I pay her and let her go. I wasn't happy with this obviously but with all that had been going on I said it was up to her.
I'm not a big drinker, but on the first night I had had gallons of beer without much problem, tonight though vodka had been introduced and I (stupidly) made the mistake of mixing my drinks while drinking for the girls. I was pretty out of it for a while and the girls sitting with me knew it, it was at this point they began talking behind me and plotting something. They started playing with the guys while I went to get sobered up, when I returned Hulan was slumped over a bin.
Pretty soon Gongsai had her own bin and both were now looking unwell. I got them some tea to sober up but they ignored my efforts so I left them alone. I was beginning to see the situation I was in I was going to be going home alone! However a kindly bro K who had also chosen 2 girls saw the dilemma I was in and offered me one of his girls. I asked her and she declined, then Hulans mummy came in and asked if she could leave. I explained I couldn't let them leave as the party wasn't over! Then gongsais friend came in and asked for the same thing, Gonsais friend was pretty fucking hot so I intimated that if she would go with me I would let her go. Gongsai was infuriated upon hearing this and suddenly SOBERED up from being slumped over a bin and out of it. Gongsais friend was boo fong ben and what previous chance of gongsai sobering up and going with me were now totally screwed. She literally acted the jealous girlfriend and from her previous pleasant demeanour had gone sour.
I think most people could see my dilemma now and it looked like I was going to spend tonight alone again! After being turned down by 4 WGs (new record?) but BSD Dave came to my rescue like a knight on shining armour. He asked if I wanted to take K girl with me and sorted that out for me. I let my 2 inroom deadfish go and seems everyone was happy. Except now Gs **** was collapsing on the floor as soon as we were out of the room. Which seemed like BS as she sobered up as soon as a mention of her sitting fee was made. I felt kind of bad as I feel my 2 girls and I had contributed to Gs mess but he kindly insisted it was no big deal.
So we piled into taxis and went for a meal together then proceeded back to the hotel. Ks girl confirmed to me that the good looking girls were pulling the getting drunk BS frequently and could often make their money without even going out with the customers and just sitting tables for the night. Although she did mention that management was clamping down hard on it and Gs girl would likely be fined.
Ks girl was very friendly and polite in the room and a fun night was had by all. I sent her home in the morning after my second pop with tips.
So there's a new CP Sauna in town- it's at Jin Di Li. Located right across the train station, next to real kung fu fast food restaurant and Ajisan Ramen. Jin Di Li, has always been well known to be a dirty footie that gave extras during your foot massage session- usually a traditional HJ type of service.
Apparently the owner is doing really well. As a result, he's expanding. He's put forth a newly renovated third floor with nicer decorated room. In addition, on his new floor, he's got Sauna rooms and they are offering Sauna Services. This is a new Sauna that just opened on March 15th. So the rooms are all new with little usage. I would recommend going there before the facilities get all dirty and beds covered with cum stains.
I went up because I was curious, apparently if I'm not mistaking, they quoted me 417 RMB for room and girl altogether. I went at 4 pm, and the girl selection was not very good as some were still getting their makeup done. I saw three girls come in, I would rank them as a 6-7 at best overall. But then again for 417 inclusive of everything and two pops, that's a pretty good deal already, so there's not much to complain about. I didn't take the bait as I scheduled with a previously arranged meeting with another girl I knew.
But worth the try since the facilities were new and the girls were ok for the price you pay I suppose. But since I didn't see what I was looking for, I decided to pass.
AsnDragon
Robin Mill
03-24-11, 10:48
Ks girl confirmed to me that the good looking girls were pulling the getting drunk BS frequently and could often make their money without even going out with the customers and just sitting tables for the night. Although she did mention that management was clamping down hard on it and Gs girl would likely be fined.Damn these girls! Pulling these old tricks. Is this more specific to Fu Hao? I remember my last trip, I was acting all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and scream at the Mummy for one of the girl pulling this trick. Dave was caught in the middle.
Dave, did it turn out ok in the end? Was my pissing / angry fit helpful at all? I don's want to put you in the spot again.
Yo Asn! Good to see your reports on the boards always. I am green with envy with your frequent trips! I hope to be down in the middle of this year. Damn, I am missing the Linkin Park KTV singing already. (More than the girls. Really!)
So there's a new CP Sauna in town- it's at Jin Di Li. Located right across the train station, next to real kung fu fast food restaurant and Ajisan Ramen. Jin Di Li, has always been well known to be a dirty footie that gave extras during your foot massage session- usually a traditional HJ type of service.
Apparently the owner is doing really well. As a result, he's expanding. He's put forth a newly renovated third floor with nicer decorated room. In addition, on his new floor, he's got Sauna rooms and they are offering Sauna Services. This is a new Sauna that just opened on March 15th. So the rooms are all new with little usage. I would recommend going there before the facilities get all dirty and beds covered with cum stains.
I went up because I was curious, apparently if I'm not mistaking, they quoted me 417 RMB for room and girl altogether. I went at 4 pm, and the girl selection was not very good as some were still getting their makeup done. I saw three girls come in, I would rank them as a 6-7 at best overall. But then again for 417 inclusive of everything and two pops, that's a pretty good deal already, so there's not much to complain about. I didn't take the bait as I scheduled with a previously arranged meeting with another girl I knew.
But worth the try since the facilities were new and the girls were ok for the price you pay I suppose. But since I didn't see what I was looking for, I decided to pass.
AsnDragonHi AsnDragon,
Thank you for the update on SN scene in CP. Below 500 sounds like a pretty sweet deal. Would you mind sharing the manager's cell # over PM? Thanks!
Staid.
Sardaukar1
03-24-11, 21:31
I picked a girl quickly and just as we are entering the lift a girl in civvie girl walks up to us and smiles at me, its Hulan! She had disappeared to get changed WTF?95% of the time I find the girl looks much hotter after she changes into civi clothes that fits her. If it were up to me I'd have no issues with my girl changing. But I don't do that because her changing would start a chain reaction across the room and other girls would in return ask to change as well!
Had this happen to me at Mayflower as my chick got drunk and passed out in less than an hour. Maybe acting maybe not. But I don't boot them right away and let them make more money. I kept her all the way until about 10:30 so all she was going to get was the sitting fee. The way I look at it she is the one losing out. This is a business and she is losing a chance at a repeat customer.
Damn these girls! Pulling these old tricks. Is this more specific to Fu Hao? I remember my last trip, I was acting all [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and scream at the Mummy for one of the girl pulling this trick. Dave was caught in the middle.
Dave, did it turn out ok in the end? Was my pissing / angry fit helpful at all? I don's want to put you in the spot again.
Yo Asn! Good to see your reports on the boards always. I am green with envy with your frequent trips! I hope to be down in the middle of this year. Damn, I am missing the Linkin Park KTV singing already. (More than the girls. Really!)
Getting 2 girls is actually the best thing if they both are in to you. Then they will compete for your affections. If I get 2 that I like I tell them that I like them both and that I will choose one for tonite and get the other one's number for a different night. In my experience if you tell them that straight up you will not lose any affection. But you do have to at least act like you are interested in both of them. One time I had I chosen 2 hot chicks and they were grabbing my cock and putting my hands on their titties in the room. One of them even tried to fuck me in the bathroom! Well I had to take that one home but I got the other one's number and called her a couple nights later. I love picking 2 girls but a lot of the time I just don't find 2 that I like. Its been harder lately with the sausage fests that have been going on.
Hulan sat on my left and Gongsai on my right and in the room BOTH were very cute and just my type. I find with picking 2 girls its quite hard to keep them both interested and occupied. I got the impression that they didn't like having competition not directly but felt they were a less confident once they knew. I enjoyed the experience though and they would both take turns to look after me and drink drinks for me when I lost. Both 19/20/21? Small, not too thin and with good skin.
So there's a new CP Sauna in town- it's at Jin Di Li. Located right across the train station, next to real kung fu fast food restaurant and Ajisan Ramen. Jin Di Li, has always been well known to be a dirty footie that gave extras during your foot massage session- usually a traditional HJ type of service.
Apparently the owner is doing really well. As a result, he's expanding. He's put forth a newly renovated third floor with nicer decorated room. In addition, on his new floor, he's got Sauna rooms and they are offering Sauna Services. Sorry, this place has been raided a few times. I went there one time in the afternoon. Later that night it was raided. It also has been closed from time to time.
Another ISG told me when a raid does happen, LE just stop by and look around and tell them to shutdown.
Jim Traveller
03-25-11, 03:56
I dislike chill music.
Not because I've got better taste or can hold better conversation or can sing. I just dislike "chill" music. It reminds me of traffic noise.
But I don't mind a brother plugging it in for a while in a KTV. After all, he might like it. Well, I agree that in a KTV the MO by default is singing and drinking, so it would be nice if a brother asks everyone before he changes the tune. But if he doesn't ask, I don't get upset either.
If after a while the "chill" music gets to me. I just ask the brother if we can switch back to regular KTV singing. I have never been turned down before.
I don't like cameras in a KTV. And gets a bit concerned when some dude start flashing his iphone around taking pictures of his good time. What the fuck, I am not running for congress, I don't need to be seen on the internet kissing babies, or hugging babes. Sorry, I just can't rely on your "private viewing" warranty. If you bros don't understand that, well, I really really hate you.
When that happened to me in the past, I walked up to the cameraman smilingly asking him to show me his nice photos. And if I see myself included in his good time picture, ask it to be deleted. Then I put on a stern look and tell the dude it is not cool to be taking pictures in a KTV room. Usually I get an apology and reassurance that the camera is not pointed my way.
I don't know what I'd do when the above-mentioned civilized methods fail.
If my new-found friends insist on keeping the chill music on all night. I'd leave early and be stingy on my share of the bill. After all, I didn't come here to sing. Music is just a side dish, not the main course.
If my new-found friend keeps on flashing his camera around. I'd smash his camera or his head with a beer bottle. Shit, I am not all that violent, I'd just hope someone will. I will only [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in his drink so that he can understand my pissed mood.
Thank God I have never had to resort to any of the above.
Watch out for me. You party dudes, I am not violent, but I may [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in your drink when you are not looking. However, before I get upset, gripe, turn violent, or eventually [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in your drink, I will ask you nicely to put it away, Very very nicely.
Cheers, bottoms up.
Frankly this issue isn't even a problem most of the time. And it's usually the other way around. So I'm very surprised this has become even a source of discontent. I'd say 90% of the time, we don't even have a choice of plugging in an ipod. . And when we do, it gets unplugged about half way through the night anyways to converted to singing. It's kind of ironic that the one time, when no singing was actually instituted- people griped.
- Jett
CP withdrawal gets worse and worse everytime. ARRRGGGHHH!
LAMonkey
Sardaukar1
03-25-11, 15:15
CP withdrawal gets worse and worse everytime. ARRRGGGHHH!
LAMonkeyYa happens every time bro when we head back to sex prison. Got to deal with it.
SE Asia Joe
03-26-11, 04:31
95% of the time I find the girl looks much hotter after she changes into civi clothes that fits her. If it were up to me I'd have no issues with my girl changing. But I don't do that because her changing would start a chain reaction across the room and other girls would in return ask to change as well!You may want to be careful about allowing KTV gals to change to their regular clothing. For in most cases, this is a signal that you've made your choice to take them out after the KTV.
Now whether you do eventually take them out or not is of course another story. But since this IS the signal that most guys give / M. O. (OK. Change to your regular clothing = yeah I'll take you out after) , the girls will take it as such and many times, will then just slack off in their "duties" to you.
Keep them in their uniform and they still got to perform.
SEAJ
Worldguy72
03-26-11, 11:47
Me? Chicken shit?
I opened it up for debate didn't I?
I'm not afraid to give my opinion on this. I HATE RAP, HIP-HOP, CHILL or whatever the fuck it's called. But unless I want to stay at home I have to endure it. I hear in the street, in McDonald's, bars, irish pubs, discos, at traffic lights, shopping centers, and now even Chinese KTV's.
It came out of the slums of New York more than thirty years ago and spread around the world. It has no melody and I have been conditioned to hate it. I have been hearing it everywhere I go for thirty plus years, and I have learned to cringe everytime I hear it."Oh no, not this shit again!"
Whatever happened to melody?
I have a similar dislike of Hollywood action movies. Whatever happened to drama, comedy, and story? Gone!
Pavlov SantaWikipedia definition for Hip Hop.
Hip hop music is a musical genre that developed as part of hip hop culture, and is defined by four key stylistic elements: rapping, DJing / scratching, sampling (or synthesis) , and beatboxing. Hip hop began in the South Bronx of New York City in the 1970s. The term rap is often used synonymously with hip hop, but hip hop also denotes the practices of an entire subculture. [1]
Rapping, also referred to as MCing or emceeing, is a vocal style in which the artist speaks lyrically, in rhyme and verse, generally to an instrumental or synthesized beat. Beats, almost always in 4/4 time signature, can be created by sampling and / or sequencing portions of other songs by a producer. [2] They also incorporate synthesizers, drum machines, and live bands. Rappers may write, memorize, or improvise their lyrics and perform their works a cappella or to a beat.
Just to let you guys know there is a new Club that opened across from the New Century Hotel on Wednesday and they play nothing but Hip Hop and the above definition. The place is decorated with "chill" neon lights from the entrance all the way inside. Washrooms are very fresh and western like with all chrome walls for urinals with running water. I was there two nights in a row since opening night and the place was packed. Beers are $340 per dozen.
They've got 2 live DJ's on each side of the Club that do MCing in English and Chinese and DJing / scratching Hip Hop music. They also got some CP or Guangdong girls signing and rapping once and hour on a small stage. Some of the locals probably not too familiar with the music but give it some time I'm sure you'll see CP guys and girls getting into Hip Hop and Rap music.
You may want to be careful about allowing KTV gals to change to their regular clothing. For in most cases, this is a signal that you've made your choice to take them out after the KTV.
Now whether you do eventually take them out or not is of course another story. But since this IS the signal that most guys give / M. O. (OK. Change to your regular clothing = yeah I'll take you out after) , the girls will take it as such and many times, will then just slack off in their "duties" to you.
Keep them in their uniform and they still got to perform.
SEAJJoe,
I didn't know this little tidbit of info! I usually don't like the girls to change for one reason, I like them in the cute / sexy KTV outfits and am disappointed when they change into pants. Now if they are wearing a cute little skirt or dress as civilian clothes then it is all good. I am not sure if it still applies, but for a while the girls wanted to change quickly because if LE showed up and they were in civies, then they had a legitimate chance of saying that they didn't work for the KTV, we were "friends". This was mostly at the places where the girls were a little more "liberal" minded.
I am hoping to be back to town late next week, maybe out paths will cross. Finally!
Sky
Hi Bros.
I post here a brief info about our trip to CP.
Day I.
We arrive about 8. 30 pm to CP (BSD arrange our transportation from HK airport) this whose first day after long trip (11 hours in plain) so we decide to stay at hotel (Clipper) and drink some whiskey and go sleep. But late night (about 1 or 2 a. M we go to sauna in Clipper. Costs from 468 to 618 RMB . I take little girl (sorry but I don't remember the name) but she was cute and smile a lot.
And her service was very good but it was my second time in sauna so my opinion isn't so objective. She whose so patient and give me two pops in 2 hours.
Day II.
BSD arrange for us massage in Pozolin. 2-3 hours of great massage. It is good deal to have good massage after "loooooooong" night.
After massage we have short trip for "schoping" and about 6 p. M DAve take us to Fu Hao KTV. It whose our second trip to this place (but first one last year). But now we finde 300. 400 girls on "flower street"
For us too many LOL. We have difficulty to choose girls for night, but after half houre we choose and go to room and party with some other ISGrs I remember only one nickname Freepicks (rest of guys I don't remember your's nicknames. Dave help is needed) but all party with us and fun was good but my girl was not in party moode (Freepicks you have right it was disaster) but I'm too good and I take here to hotel but she was like a "wood" so I fuck her hard pop and let her go home. 500 RMB with seating fee + 300 for party not so bad.
But this wasn't end of our evning. We go for grill in front of clipper hotel. And we meet three girls who eat there. We drink with them 2-3 hour and after that we go to hotel sleep. (Our Chinese is poor so we talk with body language LOL)
Day III.
This was day Off LOL. We sleep long time and about 3 pm we go for sport (snooker and ping pong) after that we go for sushi and back to hotel. Buy some whisky and party in the looby. It was my time of ilness and I was sleeping in the room. When I'm wake up I go see my friends who party in Clipper Night Club (KTV) when I come back to them part was over and we go for the grill outside the hotel. And we meet with the same girls from last night. They invite us for party in karaoke (it was close to hotel) local place when they party with friends. We go and party with them we konw them close but still go back alone to hotel but girls was so cut and pretty.
Day IV.
After last night I sleep so long but some of us go with Dave to Pozolin for foot massage and after that we go for some "naked" KTV (I don't remember name of this KTV) and suprise suprise we meet there our girls frome grill LOL we even don't look of the bages (3 from 4 have red ones) but we spend the fun night with them and after the party in KTV we go for grill (we pay girls only seeting fee 200RMB ). BUt after grill we go for party to the same karaoke and the girls pay for this we singing and dancing and after that we come back to hotel and one of the girls want to go with me. And this was freebe expirience for me. She was crayzy in the bed. And stay all night long. It was greatest expirience ever for me in China.
Daz V.
This is current day and we are now in Guangzhou and we don't know whatwill happend later.
More to come later.
Regards Jacher
They've got 2 live DJ's on each side of the Club that do MCing in English and Chinese and DJing / scratching Hip Hop music. They also got some CP or Guangdong girls signing and rapping once and hour on a small stage. Some of the locals probably not too familiar with the music but give it some time I'm sure you'll see CP guys and girls getting into Hip Hop and Rap music.We need a crackdown before it's too late. Those DJs should be arrested and shot!
I would have liked to party with the polish guys, they sound like they are having a lot of fun. Can you guys teach the girls how to dance the polka? Naked polka dancing and big pitchers of good polish pilsner? Now that would be fun!
I'm presently in Changsha, Hunan.
Big Swingin Dave
03-28-11, 07:10
Effective immediately, the weekday rates for Deluxe and Superior (with Computer) rooms have increased from 238 to 248 for Deluxe rooms and 268 to 278 for Superior rooms. Weekend rates remain the same 318/348 respectively. With all the hotel rooms being full almost every Thursday through Saturday evenings, all the hotels are continuing to increase their rates with no end in sight.
In order to secure a lower room rate, it's best to make your reservations at least one week in advance.
BSD
Bob Sacamano
03-28-11, 18:34
We need a crackdown before it's too late. Those DJs should be arrested and shot!
I would have liked to party with the Polish guys, they sound like they are having a lot of fun. Can you guys teach the girls how to dance the polka? Naked polka dancing and big pitchers of good Polish pilsner? Now that would be fun!
I'm presently in Changsha, Hunan. Have fun in Changsha, Santa. The women there were beautiful. Even the bus drivers were hot, LOL. You'll see why it seems that half the girls in CP are from Hunan, or as they pronounce it,"Hulan." I didn't see any BBSs there but plenty of saunas and KTVs (unfortunately didn't have time to check any out). And avoid the nightclubs in that area next to the walking-shopping street: loud-as-f*ck dance music that makes conversation impossible.
So who says that you can't have good threesome sessions?
Hui Hua has two sisters- Real sisters. Older sister is number 380 and younger sister is number 683.
380 sister-
5 feet 5 inches.
Small be sized tits.
Slender.
Nice white skin.
Sexy face.
683 sister-
5 feet 3 inches.
Huge DD sized Tits (tits that will knock you out!)
A little bit more voluptuous
Cute face.
The threesome session was pretty good because they were both sisters and they had a great time working together to please me. Really interacted well with each other in making me have a good time. One gave me a BJ while the other let me suck on her tits and she sucked on my nipples. I mean it was just a pure tag team special that day.
The best thing I think is that they were sisters but they had two different types of bodies, which made the experience really nice, You got a bit of cute girl type of feel form the younger sister- which had Huge Tits, and you had a more slender type of tighter, model type of feel quality from the older sister.
Had a great time over all.
Room rate 238 + 500 + 400 = 1138 RMB for two hours, two pops, with two sisters.
AsnDragon
So there's a list of girls that I took down as the better looking girls I saw out of a bunch of girl lineups last week at the Virgin Sauna.
I must note that these are the best I saw that evening, it does not mean that they will suite your tastes and preferences, but at least there's a frame of reference if you wanted to preview some of these girls. Their numbers are the following:
836.
670.
639.
816.
805.
886.
I had one of these girls from the list of 6 girls, while my friends had two other girls. Not too sure which one was my girl, but she was from Dongbei, although she was a bit on the shorter side for a girl from up north, about 5 feet 3 inches or so. She had a slender body with zero fat all around her body and had really large C sized tits that were perky. I thought I had a great gal, until I felt up her tits- to my discontent, her tits were man-made. She had breast implants. I haven't felt breast implants on a girl in CP in a long long time. In fact out of all my years in CP, I've only seen two girls who have had breast implants. How disappointing is that? Although the session was pretty good overall because she really likes the guy to be very aggressive in bed, it was very disheartening to have a girl with breast implants.
I hope that this will not be a trend in the future as girls in CP or CA or all of Dongguan or China feel this competitive need to outpace other girls in this line of work. I left the states so I could get away from implants. Sigh*
AsnDragon
And avoid the nightclubs in that area next to the walking-shopping street: loud-as-f*ck dance music that makes conversation impossible.I met an american guy who works in the 9Cool Club as a DJ. Told me he plays Hiphop and Rap. I asked how he could work in there, with that terrible incessant pounding. He told me it isn't so bad because "I wear earplugs".
Would you believe that? This so called "music" is so bad that even the DJ doesn't want to listen. He wears earplugs!
Hello, Dave. Please empty your inbox. Because my PM don't reach your inbox.
Santa,
You've been in Asia too long. LOL!
LAMonkey.
I met an american guy who works in the 9Cool Club as a DJ. Told me he plays Hiphop and Rap. I asked how he could work in there, with that terrible incessant pounding. He told me it isn't so bad because "I wear earplugs".
Would you believe that? This so called "music" is so bad that even the DJ doesn't want to listen. He wears earplugs!
Dim Guy,
You are very fun to party with and hope the little advise I provide goes a long way for you! Back in the US now. Miss CP so much.
Also in here like to thanks Jett for the good time in PI! My ball is still sore. Hehe
Had dinner with Jett and a few other friends at 6000 restaurant. Brought a WG with me but it didn't turn out too well afterwards. (Don't even ask, I'm too embaressed to even tell haha) With a large case of blue balls, I contacted some friends and decided to go for a late night snack. By this time it was already close to 2, so I was afraid most 'therapy' places would be closed. Once again BSDave came to the rescue (Thanks man!). We ended up at HH where I picked 198, a recommendation of Dave's. It was a bit pricey (600+240 rm fee) but it had to be done. Got home at 5, at work by 7:30. Steep learning curve indeed. Can't wait to see what the month of April offers. Whose going to be around the 2nd weekend of April?
Happy hunting why'all!
Sauce
Pussycheck
03-31-11, 05:56
Which hotel with comfortable rooms has a big swimming pool? I know the Miraton which has a normal swimming pool.
What is the address and name of the closest market to Changping where you can find good quality copy watches and clothes?
So who says that you can't have good threesome sessions?
Hui Hua has two sisters- Real sisters. Older sister is number 380 and younger sister is number 683.
380 sister-
5 feet 5 inches.
Small be sized tits.
Slender.
Nice white skin.
Sexy face.
683 sister-
5 feet 3 inches.
Huge DD sized Tits (tits that will knock you out!)
A little bit more voluptuous
Cute face.
The threesome session was pretty good because they were both sisters and they had a great time working together to please me. Really interacted well with each other in making me have a good time. One gave me a BJ while the other let me suck on her tits and she sucked on my nipples. I mean it was just a pure tag team special that day.
The best thing I think is that they were sisters but they had two different types of bodies, which made the experience really nice, You got a bit of cute girl type of feel form the younger sister- which had Huge Tits, and you had a more slender type of tighter, model type of feel quality from the older sister.
Had a great time over all.
Room rate 238 + 500 + 400 = 1138 RMB for two hours, two pops, with two sisters.
AsnDragonI have never met sisters with such a variance in tit sizes before. Are you sure they are real biological sisters, or "work sisters"? And where is HH? I think I need to check them out personally. .
SE Asia Joe
03-31-11, 08:58
Which hotel with comfortable rooms has a big swimming pool? I know the Miraton which has a normal swimming pool.
What is the address and name of the closest market to Changping where you can find good quality copy watches and clothes? I'm almost tempted to say Li Hao and its wonderful riverside bathing area. But I guess I'll just refrain.
SEAJ
Jettsetter
03-31-11, 09:33
Dim Guy,
You are very fun to party with and hope the little advise I provide goes a long way for you! Back in the US now. Miss CP so much.
Also in here like to thanks Jett for the good time in PI! My ball is still sore. HeheOkay guys. Let's not get the wrong impression from this post. I took about 5 guys to legendary AC and we had a blast. We could go back and forth about the advantages and fun of AC / PI vs. CP. I still love CP. But if I couldn't speak Chinese. I'd love AC. However. Most of the guys I brought, okay all 5. Also loved AC. But I think it was the crew we were with.
As with any trip. It's what you make of it. And we made a fun old time with a 5 day side trip from CP to AC. So no, it wasn't as if I went duck and took Tiger to PI. And I don't know what the phrase "my ball is still sore" means. But I had nothing to do with his balls of why they're sore. Haha.
I imagine it's probably because of all the motorcycle riding we did on our tour.
Anyways, I'm sure folks will post about the pros and cons of China and CP. I still enjoy it to the max. But sometimes you need a change of pace. Some comfortable western style foods that are actually decent. And some gals who can sing a karaoke song in ENGLISH (not CHINGLISH).
-Jett
Jettsetter
03-31-11, 09:48
Which hotel with comfortable rooms has a big swimming pool? I know the Miraton which has a normal swimming pool.
What is the address and name of the closest market to Changping where you can find good quality copy watches and clothes? Hui Hua resembles most what you want with the swimming pool. I don't know what you mean by big, but you can get at least a decent work out there. On the same floor as the swimming pool (which is actually half in and out) you can get a work out, play some ping pong or play snooker.
There's a tennis court outside, but I suggest bringing your own balls because they charge if you lose the ball at a rate of something ridiculous per ball. Almost want to say like 20 rmb per ball. Maybe even 30.
There's a per hour fee for using the tennis court, but I think the rest are free for guests. There's also changing room / shower facility there.
The pool is quite nice. But it's just a rectangular pool.
Not sure if Eurasia as a pool or not. So can't comment. I know lots of other hotels don't.
Anyways, I'm sure folks will post about the pros and cons of China and CP. I still enjoy it to the max. But sometimes you need a change of pace. Some comfortable western style foods that are actually decent. And some gals who can sing a karaoke song in ENGLISH (not CHINGLISH).
JettAC vs CP my point of view,
AC Pro:
1. Most of the AC girls speak some English. Even though I speak fluent Chinese, it is so nice to hear PI girls sing and boy they could sing!
2. In AC, you pay bar fine and that is it (ranging from 1400 to 2000 pesos, exch rate is about $1 us to 43. 25 peso) , it could be long and it could be short time. It is strictly between you and the girl.
3. AC girls are more innocent and simple, they do not ask for money as much as most girls in CP does.
4. AC girls are more used to the western style of partying, they are much more open and wild when partying.
AC Con:
1. General speaking the average quality of girls are lower than CP (although I think CP girl quality is not what it use to be either).
2. Surprisingly, when in bed, the AC girls are a little bit conservative, so 3P and orgy are harder to come by.
So there's a list of girls that I took down as the better looking girls I saw out of a bunch of girl lineups last week at the Virgin Sauna.
I must note that these are the best I saw that evening, it does not mean that they will suite your tastes and preferences, but at least there's a frame of reference if you wanted to preview some of these girls. Their numbers are the following:
836.
670.
639.
816.
805.
886.
I had one of these girls from the list of 6 girls, while my friends had two other girls. Not too sure which one was my girl, but she was from Dongbei, although she was a bit on the shorter side for a girl from up north, about 5 feet 3 inches or so. She had a slender body with zero fat all around her body and had really large C sized tits that were perky. I thought I had a great gal, until I felt up her tits- to my discontent, her tits were man-made. She had breast implants. I haven't felt breast implants on a girl in CP in a long long time. In fact out of all my years in CP, I've only seen two girls who have had breast implants. How disappointing is that? Although the session was pretty good overall because she really likes the guy to be very aggressive in bed, it was very disheartening to have a girl with breast implants.
I hope that this will not be a trend in the future as girls in CP or CA or all of Dongguan or China feel this competitive need to outpace other girls in this line of work. I left the states so I could get away from implants. Sigh*
AsnDragonHi AsnDragon,
Sorry to hear that. Implant is definitely no-no in my book, just doesn't feel the same, make me feel like banging a blow-up. She likes aggressive. Cool, does that mean she enjoys a bit of s&m. Spanking & tied up? I hear 1 CP SN offers light s&m, but I forgot the name, and not sure if it's on you or you on her. At any rate, in regard to Virgin, I went there a few times, with hits and misses, but what I don't like about the place are 1) it's always freaking crowded (just like MB).2) the room is so run down. With the business they are getting, they can afford to renovate. 3) extra 100rmb for double trouble. I don't see the logic here, paying more for girl doing 1/2 of the work. 4) the girls are too mechanical. May be they have done so many men, it's becoming routine or I am just bad at picking. Anyway, just want to share my thoughts.
Cheers,
Staid
So who says that you can't have good threesome sessions?
Hui Hua has two sisters- Real sisters. Older sister is number 380 and younger sister is number 683.
380 sister-
5 feet 5 inches.
Small be sized tits.
Slender.
Nice white skin.
Sexy face.
683 sister-
5 feet 3 inches.
Huge DD sized Tits (tits that will knock you out!)
A little bit more voluptuous
Cute face.
The threesome session was pretty good because they were both sisters and they had a great time working together to please me. Really interacted well with each other in making me have a good time. One gave me a BJ while the other let me suck on her tits and she sucked on my nipples. I mean it was just a pure tag team special that day.
The best thing I think is that they were sisters but they had two different types of bodies, which made the experience really nice, You got a bit of cute girl type of feel form the younger sister- which had Huge Tits, and you had a more slender type of tighter, model type of feel quality from the older sister.
Had a great time over all.
Room rate 238 + 500 + 400 = 1138 RMB for two hours, two pops, with two sisters.
AsnDragonHi AsnDragon,
Wow. 3P is heaven! The thought of them being sisters is even 3x better! However, I haven't had an interactive 3P experience in CP, where the girls are at least a bit into each others. The best I had so far was they touched each others boobs in a playful but sexual way, and the worst was total separation. I did one, then the other, and the one not involved just watched tv. WTF. If I could find a 3P, sisters, and interactive in CP, I would be in cloud9!
O, BTW, my experience with HH was the girls don't do AR, is this still true in your experience? Mine was about 1. 5 why ago, so I am not sure if their service has changed or again, just my bad luck.
Cheers,
Staid.
I am sure that they are biological sisters, although they have a variance in their breast sizes. It happens, some sisters are just more well endowed than others.
I know it was real because I asked them to show me their I'd cards before we actually went through with it. Same city and village and same last name.
But this was not the first time doing sisters. I had done twin sisters, where one was a bit fatter than the other one, and they were identical twins. Strange thing was the fat girl had a smelly pussy but the skinnier one did not have a smelly pussy. But even amongst identical twins there are variances in their breast size.
AsnDragon.
It also doesn't help to be eating at Man Lian Seafood restaurant next to the river bath when you are eating some seafood dish and smelling and looking at that smelly river.
It's strange because back in 2004 when XinDi first opened, I was around that area. Nothing was around. You had swan lake area with their lights and then almost nothing in between until you reached XinDi, with only a few factories and small convenient store shops etc. But the one distinct thing I remembered was riding in those small minivan cars with the window down and smelling the stench of that river while we crossed over to XinDi.
Amazing how much things have changed these few years.
AsnDragon.
I'm almost tempted to say Li Hao and its wonderful riverside bathing area. But I guess I'll just refrain.
SEAJ
Staid,
From my last experience she did do Anal Rimming on me. I'm not sure why they did not offer this service to you. I think nowadays sauna girls are getting smarter. When you first arrive they strike up conversation with you to gauge to see where you are from and what kind of customer you are like. When you are friendly to them and playful, most of the time they know that you are an easygoing person so they will try to get away with doing certain services like AR. But if you go in there really serious with no smile, they know you mean business and usually will not cut out any services.
What can I say, girls are getting smarter these days in all arenas, not just saunas. This extends to BBS and KTV. To mention about KTV at Yihao- I got rejected 3 times there by my girl and also other people's girls. None of the girls at Yihao wanted to go out with me to my hotel room, even after I was a true gentlemen to them the whole evening. In addition, they were all available girls that were not on the red either. I think most of them just think they could sit another room and then another and then go out with a customer at the very end to maximize their profit. I'm beginning to think another strategy is to just wait until later on the night when the mommie comes in for the room line up to choose from those girls- who will usually be more likely to go home with you after they have finished sitting their 2-3 customer rounds.
In fact with this whole 100 increase in sitting fee, girls now get 300 RMB at higher priced establishments. If you can sit just one more room, they get 600 RMB, which is basically almost the same as 1 pop pricing. So most girls are thinking- who would I need to go out with customers and get poked when I can just sit two rooms and go home with 600 RMB, and if they sit three rooms- 900RMB.
I mean let's face it- these girls don't love you, they love their useless boyfriend at home who's a deadbeat living off of these WG's hard work. So they would rather earn the money, give it to their crappy boyfriend at home and let him poke her instead of you. I mean these young WG's are so genuine to these local BF's that they don't want them to get too jealous by going out with customers.
It's strange, you can treat a WG so damn well- giving them money, showering them with money, being a gentlemen, etc. And they just don't care about you, while their deadbeat BF at home is using them, beating them, leaching off of them and treating them like shit, and these girls are even willing to sell their bodies to support them.
Life is strange, but China is even more strange.
AsnDragon.
Hi AsnDragon,
Wow. 3P is heaven! The thought of them being sisters is even 3x better! However, I haven't had an interactive 3P experience in CP, where the girls are at least a bit into each others. The best I had so far was they touched each others boobs in a playful but sexual way, and the worst was total separation. I did one, then the other, and the one not involved just watched tv. WTF. If I could find a 3P, sisters, and interactive in CP, I would be in cloud9!
O, BTW, my experience with HH was the girls don't do AR, is this still true in your experience? Mine was about 1. 5 why ago, so I am not sure if their service has changed or again, just my bad luck.
Cheers,
Staid.
Ok, this issue about sponsoring a girl is not aimed at SEAJoe, as he's against any guy sponsoring any girls at all.
Now that that disclaimer is out of the way.
I feel like I'm consistently poorer every time coming back to CP or China in general. Not is the RMB appreciating, there's massive inflation everywhere. Hotel prices have gone up, Food has gone up, and most importantly girl's expectations have gone up as well.
It use to be that 10, 000 RMB a month to sponsor a girl was sufficient. But nowadays, there's so many Hot shots coming in from all over the world- Singapore, Malaysia, USA, as well as Local China men who are throwing money around at girls like nobody's business. This has translated into a ballooning of girl's expectations.
Talking to girls from all walks of life, from KTVs, Saunas, even DJs, these girls are looking to reel in the big fish. They no longer think that 10, 000 RMB a month is enough to sustain their lifestyle.
KTV girls- 3 girls had told me guys wanted to sponsor them with 10, 000 RMB with housing fees included and they all refused, they wanted 20, 000 RMB at least a month.
Sauna Girls- 4-5 sauna girls had guys offering to Sponsor them. 20, 000 RMB was the offer, and they all refused.
Sauna Girl A- Wanted 100, 000 RMB up front in case he dumped her couple months out. And wanted 30, 000 RMB a month.
Sauna Girl B- Wanted a car up front, apartment rent paid for and wanted 30, 000 RMB a month as spending cash only for her. So when he comes to visit he should bring a few thousand each time as well.
Sauna Girl C- Wanted a entire apartment as a gift, and then wanted 50, 000 RMB a month because she felt that she could earn 30, 000 RMB a month by herself, so she wanted at least 50, 000 RMB a month to make herself feel that she's made the right decision in wasting her youth to be sponsored.
When did all this expectation from girls become to crazy? Did I miss something? I know China's getting rich, but these amounts are ridiculous.
As a side note- Sauna Girl C use to be an underwear model in Beijing and she said she can prove it on the internet. Her fees were 1500 RMB for 2 hours of companionship. I went through with it because I figured I'm 62 years old. What the hell else will I need money for? We all can't be like SEAJoe- A young Swede with a big dick to attract girls.
AsnDragon
I am sure that they are biological sisters, although they have a variance in their breast sizes. It happens, some sisters are just more well endowed than others.
I know it was real because I asked them to show me their I'd cards before we actually went through with it. Same city and village and same last name.
But this was not the first time doing sisters. I had done twin sisters, where one was a bit fatter than the other one, and they were identical twins. Strange thing was the fat girl had a smelly pussy but the skinnier one did not have a smelly pussy. But even amongst identical twins there are variances in their breast size.
AsnDragon. AsnDragon you got to let me know where you find twins for a threesome. I want in!
StinkyFeet
04-01-11, 05:42
Talking to girls from all walks of life, from KTVs, Saunas, even DJs, these girls are looking to reel in the big fish. They no longer think that 10, 000 RMB a month is enough to sustain their lifestyle.
AsnDragonI think it depends on supply and demand. Also the girls talk to each raising there expectations. The situation is also different depending on the sponser himself. I had girls (recently) where all they wanted was to spot them cash when times got tough and they just got a normal job since they hated working in those environments (this is an important point). Another one just settled for a few thousand rmbs when I got angry at her (she wanted 20000 as well) when she compared me to another friend's sponser (whom I know). I kindly reminded her that I am a lot younger. Granted these girls aren't the tall model types. Just super cute (think typical pop star face) slender, big boobed girls.
Alas if the girl you want to sponser doesn't mind working at these establishments. Her expectations will surely be higher.
Pussycheck
04-01-11, 05:49
Does anyone know if there are spots like BBS, saunas and KTVs available in Dongcheng District?
I consider to stay in:
Sofitel Dongguan Royal Lagoon.
8 Ying Bin Road.
Dongcheng District.
Which is probably one of the very best hotels in Dongguan area where you have an excellent pool, food and service but it's far away from Changping (about 40 kms).
Jettsetter
04-01-11, 10:58
I think it depends on supply and demand. Also the girls talk to each raising there expectations. The situation is also different depending on the sponser himself. I had girls (recently) where all they wanted was to spot them cash when times got tough and they just got a normal job since they hated working in those environments (this is an important point). Another one just settled for a few thousand rmbs when I got angry at her (she wanted 20000 as well) when she compared me to another friend's sponser (whom I know). I kindly reminded her that I am a lot younger. Granted these girls aren't the tall model types. Just super cute (think typical pop star face) slender, big boobed girls.
Alas if the girl you want to sponser doesn't mind working at these establishments. Her expectations will surely be higher. I don't think it makes sense to sponsor unless you either live here or are up here all the time. I can tell you that I have a bunch of ex WG girls on my phone that are now sponsored, but will bite at any chance provided to come out and play. Provided it does not coincide when they're sponsor's in town or expecting them somewhere.
So what value do you get from sponsoring? The appearance of a loyal concubine who actually will gladly go out with other customers or old customers either because they want more money or they are horny and aren't satisfied with just you.
I think it's kind of sad when a girl tells me, that she's being kept so can see me anytime M-F because on F-Sunday they are busy w / their BF. I think it's sad for the guy. Poor guy is giving 10-20k per month for what he thinks is all his and I can bang her anytime I want without the hassle of keeping her for 500 per pop.
I mean I'm not one of those guys who gets all pissy when the girl gets on the phone with her BF keeper and tells me to not say anything during the phone call. I mean obviously if thep hone thing gets to be a problem no big deal, but honestly the exciting factor of doing something we shouldn't be. Hehee. That plays well in my book of situational fantasies all the time.
My point. Unless you're constantly here, and even if you're not constantly here. Sponsoring a girl isn't really worth it unless the money is nothing to you. If paying 10-20k rmb per month is a trip to the grocery store, or your electric bill every month, then yah, who cares. But to most folks like us, that amount of money is pretty sizeable, and to have someone that is going to just go out with the next guy and call you a sucker. Well, not worth it in my opinion.
Now there are those few who you do actually help, get out of the business and really genuinely feel some connection with. Sure. But I've got to say that those are a rare breed and I hope you do well to protect your investment and make sure initially that you are getting what you pay for.
I'm only telling what I've seen from the other end (I. E. Client who talks to these gals about their ongoing bf's) and since I don't care if they take that secret call during our session (well not actually DURING the session). They usually tell me all about their situation. Some of them are actually proud of how well they're duping their guy. Like a game.
AsnDragon. I agree with you. WTF's up with these exhorbitant amounts. I remember when 10-12k was the going rate hands down. And that was good. 8k was achieveable. But this 20-30k amount. That's ridiculous. Not worth it. But if you've got cash to burn I guess it woudln't be a big deal. It's all relative to us I suppose.
-Jett
Sardaukar1
04-01-11, 17:46
I think it's kind of sad when a girl tells me, that she's being kept so can see me anytime M-F because on F-Sunday they are busy w / their BF. I think it's sad for the guy. Poor guy is giving 10-20k per month for what he thinks is all his and I can bang her anytime I want without the hassle of keeping her for 500 per pop.Guys like these either have too much money to burn, or they can't get it into their heads that the sole reason these girls travelled all the way from their hometowns to Guangdong is to make money. A lot of guys like to fantasize about the girls actually like them for who they are, not for the money (especially Taiwanese bros). WGs ain't here to look for true love. They will maximize their income through whatever means available, wherever whenever, and with whomever. I don't blame them at all because you can't judge these girls on traditional moral grounds. These girls have already crossed the point of no return by selling their bodies. It is only natural and understandable that they will avail themselves to the highest bidders and extract as much money as possible from gullible sponsors.
When I take a KTV girl out for overnight, I always enjoy overhearing her phone conversations with sponsors from HK / TW / SEA. I keep quiet without her needing to remind me to do so. Then we hold a detailed conversation about how she is duping all those poor souls into thinking she is all theirs, and how many gifts she has received. She is often surprised that I don't care she's sweet-talking with other guys in my presence, as most guys she's met would get jealous. And then we have passionate sex because she feels I "get" her.
Jettsetter
04-02-11, 04:39
Guys like these either have too much money to burn, or they can't get it into their heads that the sole reason these girls travelled all the way from their hometowns to Guangdong is to make money. A lot of guys like to fantasize about the girls actually like them for who they are, not for the money (especially Taiwanese bros). WGs ain't here to look for true love. They will maximize their income through whatever means available, wherever whenever, and with whomever. I don't blame them at all because you can't judge these girls on traditional moral grounds. These girls have already crossed the point of no return by selling their bodies. It is only natural and understandable that they will avail themselves to the highest bidders and extract as much money as possible from gullible sponsors.
When I take a KTV girl out for overnight, I always enjoy overhearing her phone conversations with sponsors from HK / TW / SEA. I keep quiet without her needing to remind me to do so. Then we hold a detailed conversation about how she is duping all those poor souls into thinking she is all theirs, and how many gifts she has received. She is often surprised that I don't care she's sweet-talking with other guys in my presence, as most guys she's met would get jealous. And then we have passionate sex because she feels I "get" her. I am with you. I do think that girls are often surprised when I'm understanding of their situation and really don't give a crap about the fact they have 'other guys'. I mean this fantasy that somehow this working girl is only there for you. Is just that. I guess lots of guys like that fantasy. But with experience, I've learned that the girls will relax more if you show them that you understand where they're coming from, that your'e looking for a quick good time and perhaps can be their "friend". I mean not the way most of us deem as friends, but at least someone they enjoy spending time with as opposed the next guy who wants her to be a certain way.
Obviously I don't like phone calls during the action. But at the same time, she's got to make a buck and I"m not willing to "sponsor" her so, do what you have to do to make your money just like me. But do give me my "experience" where it counts. .
The best is where they're talking to their BF's naked in my bed while I'm kissing on them, etc. Something "naughty" about it from my and their ends, makes it a whole lot better.
I'll recall when I was doing my previous secretary when her bf called while she was giving me a BJ in my car. Talk about a quick release. Mid way through, phone call in mid slurp and finish me off after saying "bye love you".
Is it just me? Or is being "bad" just a turn on?
Haha.
Happy adventures.
Still in CP. Come join the party.
-Jett
I don't think it makes sense to sponsor unless you either live here or are up here all the time. I can tell you that I have a bunch of ex WG girls on my phone that are now sponsored, but will bite at any chance provided to come out and play. Provided it does not coincide when they're sponsor's in town or expecting them somewhere.
So what value do you get from sponsoring? The appearance of a loyal concubine who actually will gladly go out with other customers or old customers either because they want more money or they are horny and aren't satisfied with just you.
I think it's kind of sad when a girl tells me, that she's being kept so can see me anytime M-F because on F-Sunday they are busy w / their BF. I think it's sad for the guy. Poor guy is giving 10-20k per month for what he thinks is all his and I can bang her anytime I want without the hassle of keeping her for 500 per pop.
I mean I'm not one of those guys who gets all pissy when the girl gets on the phone with her BF keeper and tells me to not say anything during the phone call. I mean obviously if thep hone thing gets to be a problem no big deal, but honestly the exciting factor of doing something we shouldn't be. Hehee. That plays well in my book of situational fantasies all the time.
My point. Unless you're constantly here, and even if you're not constantly here. Sponsoring a girl isn't really worth it unless the money is nothing to you. If paying 10-20k rmb per month is a trip to the grocery store, or your electric bill every month, then yah, who cares. But to most folks like us, that amount of money is pretty sizeable, and to have someone that is going to just go out with the next guy and call you a sucker. Well, not worth it in my opinion.
Now there are those few who you do actually help, get out of the business and really genuinely feel some connection with. Sure. But I've got to say that those are a rare breed and I hope you do well to protect your investment and make sure initially that you are getting what you pay for.
I'm only telling what I've seen from the other end (I. E. Client who talks to these gals about their ongoing bf's) and since I don't care if they take that secret call during our session (well not actually DURING the session). They usually tell me all about their situation. Some of them are actually proud of how well they're duping their guy. Like a game.
AsnDragon. I agree with you. WTF's up with these exhorbitant amounts. I remember when 10-12k was the going rate hands down. And that was good. 8k was achieveable. But this 20-30k amount. That's ridiculous. Not worth it. But if you've got cash to burn I guess it woudln't be a big deal. It's all relative to us I suppose.
-JettJett,
I just feel that sponsoring is just a waste of money. I have been lucky to run into a lot of freebies and I have never had problem with getting pussies. As for the KTV / BBS / Sauna gals, sometimes I do pay just to enjoy the variety. I feel that getting some a$$ in China is easier than the US or Europe. For some of you guys that I have met knows that I am no Brad Pitt just an average ABC Joe with an extra 20#s. A little charm can get you a lot of mileage.
Sardaukar1
04-02-11, 06:55
Still in CP. Come join the party.Hell yeah. Boarding a flight next morning to HK.
What's up with the news of fresh crackdown in CP? Is it true? Are all SN's unsafe as of now?
I have always wanted to visit CP since its mention on the Angeles City threads but have been put off because I can't speak the language. Finally, I found out about our local 'specialty' tour guide being BigSwingingDave (Dave) who was able to add me to his party, so I decided to make the trip since I was in the region.
Upon arriving at HKIA, I used the Eternal East tours car/van (not sure if there are other operators) , they have several counters at Arrival Hall and it costs about HK$230ish or so. Someone will escort you to the pickup area at T2. This is where you should also ask for Chinese Immigration card to fill in as I found they do not automatically hand them out. The 6 seater van was ready to leave within minutes of my landing just afternoon. The trip took a total of 150mins including about 30 mins queuing at the 2 checkpoints (HK and China in Shenzhen). I thought the van would take me all the way to CP but there was a transfer to another van at a mall near Shennan Blvd in Shenzhen.
Then van would not take me all the way to Clipper where Dave had a room reservation for me, but up to Miraton, where it was convenient enough for Dave to meet me there and help me to Clipper about RMB10 fare away. I was also able to draw the much needed cash at an atm near Seven-11 around the corner from Miraton.
Clipper is a Chinese 5star hotel (by international standards maybe 4 star) which is good enough. By the time I got to my room it was 5.15pm this gave me only a few moments to drop my bags, grab a quick bite then meet Dim Guy, Greg and Al (not their real names and are off the ISG grid). We catch a taxi to FuHao and along the way DimGuy and Dave briefs me on the tag system. Red tag no take out. From memory blue tag was 2-5-8, gold tag 3-6-10 and models are RMB100 premium over the gold. Did I get that right?
Arrived at Fuhao and boy was it packed. I now get it, about being there early. There were so many girls and also a lot of punters. It was a dog eat dog world, comparable to a meat auction. Plenty of meat with tagged numbers and also plenty of bidders. Any later, there would be no girls left. We were greeted a lot of girls and I thought they were the KTV girls and was trying to spot the tags only to be told later that they were the DJ's. A couple of DJ's actually looked OK.
The strategy was to pick 2 girls. The first is your impulse girl and the second was your ideal girl. Reason for the impulse first pick is that if you wait till your ideal girl, you may never get her because someone else would beat you to it.
We went up and checked out the models first and I spotted one with the number ending in 1 but her dress partially obscured the first few numbers. I later found out her number was 101 and some other punter beat me to it. She was the only decent model quality, IMO the rest of them were no better than the regular girls. As the girls began walking down the stairs from 2 entry points, I found myself at the fork of the entry points found myself panning my head back and forth so as not to miss girls coming from both sides. My impulse girl was Lulu # F0102 (I think, Dave will know who she is if you are ever interested). She was a real sweet, pretty and very innocent looking. She was the sort of girl I could take home to meet my mom. Dave quickly spoke to her and reserved her before anyone else could. Dave is the man who really knows the system. The 2nd girl was really hard to pick. I found myself going round and round in circles, with each round, the available girls starting to diminish as the were snapped up. Is this the 'flower street' mentioned here in the past? I saw one which was truly outstanding but she had a red tag. I had difficulty deciding between 3 more but interestingly as I was sure they would have been gone, they were still there towards the end. I picked one that was giving the eye a few times and I pointed out to Al I one of the other 3 which he also decided to take if I didn't want her, so between all of us we would be well covered.
At the KTV room we met up with 6 others, so that made 10 of us in total including milan92. It was my first ever KTV party of this sort.
We played poker dice games, coordination game (Ping Ba Mah?), some singing by the girls and best of all, a sexy dance contest at the end where all guys pooled RMB50 each for the girls prize money and participants also got tipped an extra RMB50 for a good flash. As a non-mandarin speaker I had low expectations on how I would enjoy the party but Dim Guy who seems to know mandarin real well thought I was doing well.
Another life saver was my ipod touch, I had a translator (Pleco. Dictionary, Lingopal. Phrases) which helps. A google translator app would have been nice and am open to suggestions if anyone knows of a better mandarin translating app. The Ipod also kept my girls entertained in-between the singing and the games.
As far as chill music vs karaoke goes, Dave is right, the majority rules. I would not mind listening to chill music but then again I would probably not want to be inflicted by a single person's playlist nor would I inflict my playlist as the only one on others. After all, I do need my ipod to translate and also keep my girls interested. I'm no KTV expert, but the girls singing that night wasn't really bad and I felt most who did use the microphone put their soul into it and no one was really out of tune. I was happy to go with the flow.
The 2 girls I picked was really into me, one more overtly so. My little head preferred the first girl, Lulu, but the second girl made it clear she really like me and some guys there thought the second girl would be my natural choice. But Lulu looked so sweet & innocent I had to check with DimGuy if she could do the deed. the other advantage Lulu had over girl # 2, was she spoke a little english, so really it was a done deal. I kissed her to gauge if there was any chemistry and there was. Dave kindly spoke to her to see if she would like to go back with me and she was happy to do so, he also gently let girl # 2 go, on my behalf. This was the major problem I had with picking 2 girls, I really felt bad letting the other one go because she was so attentive.
One of Greg's girls had a really hot body, I would be happy to take home if he didn't want her and if I did not have Lulu. The other girl I really like was the one with a black top that I think came 4th in the dance contest but I'm pretty sure her guy was going to take her home. Most of the guy's girls were pretty hot and had I known there was going to be this many girls, I think I would have gone with just one girl and if that did not work out, consider the leftovers from the other girls the guys choose to let go. I think the strategy behind picking 2 girls is that they can try to compete for your attention and for you to decide the better of the two. Still I think my situation was unique in the sense that my first impulse girl Lulu, was so much better. Short of having your meat thermometer inside the both of them, one will never really know.
It was just after 10pm, like DimGuy, I was pretty tired, Dave helped us secure a cab back to our hotels which I shared with DimGuy as we were staying in the same hotel. At the time I left, Al wasn't doing so well so I offered to cover the sitting fee of one of his girls we both picked which he politely declined. Greg was still having trouble picking between the slim girl with the toned body and the other girl who was actually Lulu's cousin.
Back at the hotel Lulu performed as well as expected. Her BBBJ was not overly sloppy and she did none of that spitting nonsense. I really enjoyed my time with her. As I fucked her I enjoyed listening to her crying and screaming as if pleasure was so close to pain. Something I haven't heard in a while. I think Al told her in mandarin that we were to fuck non-stop. But one a night and a second pop in the morning was all I wanted and needed.
Why you need Dave!
1. If you can't speak mandarin he can translate.
2. He can meet you almost anywhere in CP (where your transport drops you off) and escort you to your hotel remember this is a cowboy town)
3. He can hook you up with like minded guys for KTV and if that does not work out, I'm sure he will have a backup plan.
4. Knows the system of all the KTV joints and none of them are the same.
5. He probably knows most of the girls you pick and could warn you if she's a dud.
6. Excellent in keeping score of the bar tabs and splitting the bill fairly.
7. Great party host.
8. Negotiating with the girl on your behalf and letting down the one you did not pick gently.
I headed back by train (only 90mins) to HungHom (HK) from Dongguan station the next day. Milan92 thought it was a bad idea because your passport will get a "naughty boy" CP stamp instead of a good boy Shenzhen / Zhuhai stamp if one would take a car. OK noted, but my passport already has a lot of naughty DMIA Clark stamps, so maybe 1 more naughty stamp may not be of much consequence for a single dude like me.
So as I write this back in the 'real world' I am thinking about my next trip. Thanks Dave for a great night out.
Jettsetter
04-02-11, 17:19
i have always wanted to visit cp since its mention on the angeles city threads but have been put off because i can't speak the language. finally, i found out about our local 'specialty' tour guide being bigswingingdave (dave) who was able to add me to his party, so i decided to make the trip since i was in the region.
upon arriving at hkia, i used the eternal east tours car / van (not sure if there are other operators) , they have several counters at arrival hall and it costs about hk$230ish or so. someone will escort you to the pickup area at t2. this is where you should also ask for chinese immigration card to fill in as i found they do not automatically hand them out. the 6 seater van was ready to leave within minutes of my landing just afternoon. the trip took a total of 150mins including about 30 mins queuing at the 2 checkpoints (hk and china in shenzhen). i thought the van would take me all the way to cp but there was a transfer to another van at a mall near shennan blvd in shenzhen.
then van would not take me all the way to clipper where dave had a room reservation for me, but up to miraton, where it was convenient enough for dave to meet me there and help me to clipper about rmb10 fare away. i was also able to draw the much needed cash at an atm near seven-11 around the corner from miraton.
clipper is a chinese 5star hotel (by international standards maybe 4 star) which is good enough. by the time i got to my room it was 5. 15pm this gave me only a few moments to drop my bags, grab a quick bite then meet dim guy, greg and al (not their real names and are off the isg grid). we catch a taxi to fuhao and along the way dimguy and dave briefs me on the tag system. red tag no take out. from memory blue tag was 2-5-8, gold tag 3-6-10 and models are rmb100 premium over the gold. did i get that right?
arrived at fuhao and boy was it packed. i now get it, about being there early. there were so many girls and also a lot of punters. it was a dog eat dog world, comparable to a meat auction. plenty of meat with tagged numbers and also plenty of bidders. any later, there would be no girls left. we were greeted a lot of girls and i thought they were the ktv girls and was trying to spot the tags only to be told later that they were the dj's. a couple of dj's actually looked ok.
the strategy was to pick 2 girls. the first is your impulse girl and the second was your ideal girl. reason for the impulse first pick is that if you wait till your ideal girl, you may never get her because someone else would beat you to it.
we went up and checked out the models first and i spotted one with the number ending in 1 but her dress partially obscured the first few numbers. i later found out her number was 101 and some other punter beat me to it. she was the only decent model quality, imo the rest of them were no better than the regular girls. as the girls began walking down the stairs from 2 entry points, i found myself at the fork of the entry points found myself panning my head back and forth so as not to miss girls coming from both sides. my impulse girl was lulu # f0102 (i think, dave will know who she is if you are ever interested). she was a real sweet, pretty and very innocent looking. she was the sort of girl i could take home to meet my mom. dave quickly spoke to her and reserved her before anyone else could. dave is the man who really knows the system. the 2nd girl was really hard to pick. i found myself going round and round in circles, with each round, the available girls starting to diminish as the were snapped up. is this the 'flower street' mentioned here in the past? i saw one which was truly outstanding but she had a red tag. i had difficulty deciding between 3 more but interestingly as i was sure they would have been gone, they were still there towards the end. i picked one that was giving the eye a few times and i pointed out to al i one of the other 3 which he also decided to take if i didn't want her, so between all of us we would be well covered.
at the ktv room we met up with 6 others, so that made 10 of us in total including milan92. it was my first ever ktv party of this sort.
we played poker dice games, coordination game (ping ba mah?) , some singing by the girls and best of all, a sexy dance contest at the end where all guys pooled rmb50 each for the girls prize money and participants also got tipped an extra rmb50 for a good flash. as a non-mandarin speaker i had low expectations on how i would enjoy the party but dim guy who seems to know mandarin real well thought i was doing well.
another life saver was my ipod touch, i had a translator (pleco. dictionary, lingopal. phrases) which helps. a google translator app would have been nice and am open to suggestions if anyone knows of a better mandarin translating app. the ipod also kept my girls entertained in-between the singing and the games.
as far as chill music vs karaoke goes, dave is right, the majority rules. i would not mind listening to chill music but then again i would probably not want to be inflicted by a single person's playlist nor would i inflict my playlist as the only one on others. after all, i do need my ipod to translate and also keep my girls interested. i'm no ktv expert, but the girls singing that night wasn't really bad and i felt most who did use the microphone put their soul into it and no one was really out of tune. i was happy to go with the flow.
the 2 girls i picked was really into me, one more overtly so. my little head preferred the first girl, lulu, but the second girl made it clear she really like me and some guys there thought the second girl would be my natural choice. but lulu looked so sweet & innocent i had to check with dimguy if she could do the deed. the other advantage lulu had over girl # 2, was she spoke a little english, so really it was a done deal. i kissed her to gauge if there was any chemistry and there was. dave kindly spoke to her to see if she would like to go back with me and she was happy to do so, he also gently let girl # 2 go, on my behalf. this was the major problem i had with picking 2 girls, i really felt bad letting the other one go because she was so attentive.
one of greg's girls had a really hot body, i would be happy to take home if he didn't want her and if i did not have lulu. the other girl i really like was the one with a black top that i think came 4th in the dance contest but i'm pretty sure her guy was going to take her home. most of the guy's girls were pretty hot and had i known there was going to be this many girls, i think i would have gone with just one girl and if that did not work out, consider the leftovers from the other girls the guys choose to let go. i think the strategy behind picking 2 girls is that they can try to compete for your attention and for you to decide the better of the two. still i think my situation was unique in the sense that my first impulse girl lulu, was so much better. short of having your meat thermometer inside the both of them, one will never really know.
it was just after 10pm, like dimguy, i was pretty tired, dave helped us secure a cab back to our hotels which i shared with dimguy as we were staying in the same hotel. at the time i left, al wasn't doing so well so i offered to cover the sitting fee of one of his girls we both picked which he politely declined. greg was still having trouble picking between the slim girl with the toned body and the other girl who was actually lulu's cousin.
back at the hotel lulu performed as well as expected. her bbbj was not overly sloppy and she did none of that spitting nonsense. i really enjoyed my time with her. as i fucked her i enjoyed listening to her crying and screaming as if pleasure was so close to pain. something i haven't heard in a while. i think al told her in mandarin that we were to fuck non-stop. but one a night and a second pop in the morning was all i wanted and needed.
why you need dave!
1. if you can't speak mandarin he can translate.
2. he can meet you almost anywhere in cp (where your transport drops you off) and escort you to your hotel remember this is a cowboy town)
3. he can hook you up with like minded guys for ktv and if that does not work out, i'm sure he will have a backup plan.
4. knows the system of all the ktv joints and none of them are the same.
5. he probably knows most of the girls you pick and could warn you if she's a dud.
6. excellent in keeping score of the bar tabs and splitting the bill fairly.
7. great party host.
8. negotiating with the girl on your behalf and letting down the one you did not pick gently.
i headed back by train (only 90mins) to hunghom (hk) from dongguan station the next day. milan92 thought it was a bad idea because your passport will get a "naughty boy" cp stamp instead of a good boy shenzhen / zhuhai stamp if one would take a car. ok noted, but my passport already has a lot of naughty dmia clark stamps, so maybe 1 more naughty stamp may not be of much consequence for a single dude like me.
so as i write this back in the 'real world' i am thinking about my next trip. thanks dave for a great night out. that was a killer report. are you sure about the stamp though? i don't know if they'd actually say "dongguan" as opposed to just "china". but someone else will have to educate me on this as i don't normally take the express train there and back. as far as i could tell the stamps looked the same whether crossing in sz to get through the border vs. dg.
someone want to enlighten?
fh is always a fun spot. it's nice to get the variety of playing. in bigger groups, ti's hard to get some games going like bing bang ah. smaller groups i. e. 10 or less you can totally do it. there are games that we haven't pulled out of the bag in a long time becuase most of the parties we've had have been huge.
a popular recent game has been the rock paper sissors. hand slapping game. bsd and i picked it up last august from a hh girl. we've since added our twist to it, but it's a universal game. we were even teaching gals in angeles how to play it when we went last.
one great thing to understand is that making it fun for the girls, i think gets you a better time in general. but as with all things, there are exceptions to the rule. if a girl is bad, she's bad. simple as that. a little bit of chemistry and fun goes a long way when the girl is undecided as to whether to have fun with you or not. other gals, always a good time. some gals, always a bad time, and the remainder, it's what you make of it.
-jett
Big Swingin Dave
04-02-11, 18:21
That was a killer report. Are you sure about the stamp though? I don't know if they'd actually say "Dongguan" as opposed to just "China". But someone else will have to educate me on this as I don't normally take the express train there and back. As far as I could tell the stamps looked the same whether crossing in SZ to get through the border vs. DG.
Someone want to enlighten? When you take the express train from Hung Hom station in Hong Kong to Changping, the stamp in your passport does say Dongguan Changping on it so if you are worried about that then I suggest that you take the local train to Luohu cross the border into China then you will have a Shenzhen Luohu stamp in your passport, then take the local train (2 stops) to Changping (no stamping of the passport necessary if taking the local train).
BSD
Mit Fo Lfe
04-02-11, 22:43
When you take the express train from Hung Hom station in Hong Kong to Changping, the stamp in your passport does say Dongguan Changping on it so if you are worried about that then I suggest that you take the local train to Luohu cross the border into China then you will have a Shenzhen Luohu stamp in your passport, then take the local train (2 stops) to Changping (no stamping of the passport necessary if taking the local train).
BSDOh shit. Good to know. Guess I won't be taking the hung hom express train anymore
Limlaupek1
04-03-11, 18:44
Hi brothers,
I will be in Houjie (Dongguan) this coming Friday. Any good place for girls in Houjie? I will be staying at Jia Hua hotel.
Travel light and it is mad dash to the local train. Surcharge on regular ticket for border crossing.
Oh shit. Good to know. Guess I won't be taking the hung hom express train anymore
Jettsetter
04-04-11, 06:48
Travel light and it is mad dash to the local train. Surcharge on regular ticket for border crossing.Instead of the rail, anybody have any experience with the local buses that take you straight to HK from Hui Mei? Those might be better options at the end of the day. Any recommendations?
CP got cold all of the sudden. Today. Woke up, walked outside and needed a sweatshirt. What the heck is going on?
-Jett
SE Asia Joe
04-04-11, 06:59
instead of the rail, anybody have any experience with the local buses that take you straight to hk from hui mei? those might be better options at the end of the day. any recommendations?
cp got cold all of the sudden. today. woke up, walked outside and needed a sweatshirt. what the heck is going on?
-jetthui mei. hong kong side (shun tak centre, central post office, wanchai mtr, times square cwb)
rmb 70 (hk$70 return trip)
hui mei. kowloon side (mongkok, harbour city) rmb 60 (hk$60 return trip)
leaves on the hour to the last bus at 7 pm.
you can also take these buses to the hong kong airport.
1 hour to kowloon bay, 1 building with 2 customs / immigration facilities, thus only stop once, and the hong kong side buses leave the border at 20 and 40 past.
quite convenient and if you make the bus leaving the border, the whole journey, hui mei to cwb is under 2 hours. thus just about as fast as the direct train if you need to be in cwb.
and as for sound7's post, there's no such thing as a surcharge for border crossing train; it is either the cross boundary train directly to hong kong at hk$145 or the local hi-speed crh train cp-sz at rmb 45 or 50 for 1st class. at sz, you need to cross over by foot and catch the mtr train on the other side. and as for a "mad dash". what mad dash?
seaj
I've never understood the sponsoring thing. She is a WG so she aint a virgin and she's probably already been with 100 guys. If you like her, and you want to date her, then date her and give her some $$ like you would if you for a normal girlfriend. Why pay her thousands of RMB for this privilige? Even if she is willing to be "exclusive" with you, why pay money for the "exclusivity". Especially, since you probably won't be around to make sure that she is "exclusive". Can someone explain?
Guys like these either have too much money to burn, or they can't get it into their heads that the sole reason these girls travelled all the way from their hometowns to Guangdong is to make money. A lot of guys like to fantasize about the girls actually like them for who they are, not for the money (especially Taiwanese bros). WGs ain't here to look for true love. They will maximize their income through whatever means available, wherever whenever, and with whomever. I don't blame them at all because you can't judge these girls on traditional moral grounds. These girls have already crossed the point of no return by selling their bodies. It is only natural and understandable that they will avail themselves to the highest bidders and extract as much money as possible from gullible sponsors.
When I take a KTV girl out for overnight, I always enjoy overhearing her phone conversations with sponsors from HK / TW / SEA. I keep quiet without her needing to remind me to do so. Then we hold a detailed conversation about how she is duping all those poor souls into thinking she is all theirs, and how many gifts she has received. She is often surprised that I don't care she's sweet-talking with other guys in my presence, as most guys she's met would get jealous. And then we have passionate sex because she feels I "get" her.
Sardaukar1
04-05-11, 02:26
I've never understood the sponsoring thing. She is a WG so she aint a virgin and she's probably already been with 100 guys. If you like her, and you want to date her, then date her and give her some $$ like you would if you for a normal girlfriend. Why pay her thousands of RMB for this privilige? Even if she is willing to be "exclusive" with you, why pay money for the "exclusivity". Especially, since you probably won't be around to make sure that she is "exclusive". Can someone explain?One reason may be, these guys are looking for "GFE" and thinking a girl is reserved exclusively for them is a way to generate such feeling.
Personally, I'd rather use the requested sponsor money (10k rmb. 20k rmb / month or whatever) to fuck 20 other new girls.
Time for tips and she's expecting 3-400RMB! I tell her that I can get a tight young working girl for that money and send her on her way with much less. Guess I was expecting a freebie and should have sorted that up front, but she didn't say anything about it beforehand.Honestly you didn't think you were scoring a freebee with a massage girl at the hotel. Geesh don't be so cheap and toss the girl a modest tip. If she didn't want one she wouldn't ask. You are in CP and are not Adonis (SEAJ is) , you should know better!!
Now you have screwed it up for those of us that might want to do our massage girl, cause you think it is free. In another city maybe but in CP, against the rules.
Honestly you couldn't afford the 300 for a tip and berated the girl comparing her to a standard WG? If you were in HK you'd have bought her a $50 dinner and then more for drinks to get her in bed. Please don't disrespect the girls like that..
Had this happen to me at Mayflower as my chick got drunk and passed out in less than an hour. Maybe acting maybe not. But I don't boot them right away and let them make more money. I kept her all the way until about 10:30 so all she was going to get was the sitting fee. The way I look at it she is the one losing out. This is a business and she is losing a chance at a repeat customer.Yes they are still pulling this bullshit. Fake drunk, stomach pain, headache, blah blah. Yes exactly the sitting fee isn't shit at mayflower, let them get fined 30 for no food, mommie cut, hair, makeup, . Make 50-60 on the night max. Their loss or you can straighten it out with mommie if really bad. The BS is getting worse as the KTVs have to be more flexible and allow more girls to bend the rules just to have stock.
Penn is pretty good at keeping their girls in line. Yihao also good behavior and no cell phone rule.
Mayflower though the girls seem to rule the roost, come and go as they please, despite the fines. Their in room behavior (leaving for 15-20 minutes without asking, being annoying on phone, shit like that). MF has alot of stock but don't expect good behavior. Fuhao which used to have good girls and service, now have bad service and ugly girls.
On a Friday I was empty handed, really nothing of value there, perhaps too many prebooked or left for 3-6-9 (verified at least 5 left for 3-6-9, one for 3-7-10 or more at YiHao)
but all party with us and fun was good but my girl was not in party moode (Freepicks you have right it was disaster) but I'm too good and I take here to hotel but she was like a "wood" so I fuck her hard pop and let her go home. 500 RMB with seating fee + 300 for party not so bad.I told you to abandon her and we had another ready to go for you too! And she wanted it badly as opposed to your sourpuss. Slightest gut for no is a NO.
Great to meet you all, good times partying. Wish I could have seen your local scene partying to 8am!
I met an american guy who works in the 9Cool Club as a DJ. Told me he plays Hiphop and Rap. I asked how he could work in there, with that terrible incessant pounding. He told me it isn't so bad because "I wear earplugs".
Would you believe that? This so called "music" is so bad that even the DJ doesn't want to listen. He wears earplugs! Actually DJs usually have earphones on, and mostly the speakers are directed away from him. Look if you don't like loud music (and brother I know you well enough). Don't go.
I like loud music and like going to 18 or CaliRed after the KTV becuase I have to counteract all those sad love songs, which if you don't speak alot of Chinese all sound alike. I never liked slow music, why start now. But I roll when slow is in play, and try to inject something I like at KTV.
Cali Red is significantly louder than 18 Gongguan, very hard to have conversation there, but go dance, drink some more then go home and have fun. You can have a conversation in the morning.
As for fast music.
The girls are 18-28, and 75%+ like to dance. Do you think they like dance music? They don't like to slow dance they like to dance fast. Fast music in the room is foreplay, if a girl can't dance she can't fuck. That simple. It is part of my test analysis and is right 95% of the time. (sauna girls can be exception to this, but if they can fucking move their hips standing they can do it squating!)
My two cents. I like iKTV (ipod KTV) because the girls don't get all boried hugging pillows.
Slow music, low light and drinking = sleeping. Background of dance music (it is NOT RAP, hip hop mainly and some would be classified as dance mix) , keeps the room lively, the games, conversation and the girls become the center of attention, isn't that what we are really there for?
If a night of KTV was only sad love songs, I would also rather stay home or go to disco. A mix of music is great, in fact I've heard some Chinese (faster) songs I like because others picked them (Asn.) yes that can be fun, but when one guy is ignoring his second choice and she goes on a 10 sad song tear, it pulls the room down.
Hi AsnDragon,
Sorry to hear that. Implant is definitely no-no in my book, just doesn't feel the same, make me feel like banging a blow-up. She likes aggressive. Cool, does that mean she enjoys a bit of s&m. Spanking & tied up? I hear 1 CP SN offers light s&m, but I forgot the name, and not sure if it's on you or you on her. At any rate, in regard to Virgin, I went there a few times, with hits and misses, but what I don't like about the place are 1) it's always freaking crowded (just like MB).2) the room is so run down. With the business they are getting, they can afford to renovate. 3) extra 100rmb for double trouble. I don't see the logic here, paying more for girl doing 1/2 of the work. The extra 100rmb is the 'room booking' fee since she is in your room rather than opening another room.
S&M in CP never heard of unless it is done to you then I'm sure there are girls that would oblige, hell one girl told me of a 'dump' on story of japanese customer paid 2k for that pleasure.
When I take a KTV girl out for overnight, I always enjoy overhearing her phone conversations with sponsors from HK / TW / SEA. I keep quiet without her needing to remind me to do so. Then we hold a detailed conversation about how she is duping all those poor souls into thinking she is all theirs, and how many gifts she has received. She is often surprised that I don't care she's sweet-talking with other guys in my presence, as most guys she's met would get jealous. And then we have passionate sex because she feels I "get" her.You know I think that is a trend. Very true, if you let them play their game (deceipt) somehow they think you are a kindred spirit and get a GFE from them. I really don't care let them play their game. Just makes us wiser that sponsoring is a sucker move unless you are there everyweekend and somehow can turn your head away from the fact they have a client list they will work off. Mayflower for one has alot of sponsored girls on Sunday / Monday on off days for most girls. Me and another ISG member both saw clearly a sponsored girl in elevator that was nearly 6', model face, in 3/6/9 tag, obviously jumping in the game for some quick cash.
Yes now most girls from KTV want 20k or more for sponsor. Jett how about that little hottie that said she looked at an iphone and it was 6k, said she'd find some sucker to buy it for her. And we both know she well.
I know one Virgin Sauna girl a decent one is getting 30k working a month, taller, B / C cup, and a white tiger.
30k is minimum a month. I imagine you could sponsor at the same level as the pay though.
, a shorter girl, only 10k. Depends on your tastes and quality. 10k could be had for a girl trying to get 'out', but even some of my old WG friends say that wouldn't be enough anymore.
Where were these 50k sauna girls. 1500 for two hours, underwear model? Which sauna?
Hi AsnDragon,
O, BTW, my experience with HH was the girls don't do AR, is this still true in your experience? Mine was about 1. 5 why ago, so I am not sure if their service has changed or again, just my bad luck. All places should do AR, you should just note to the manager you want the complete service and have them instruct the girl, of course they might try to get out of the list. But just insist. Fuwu. (they know what the 'service' is, the list of course).
Quan tao.. Complete set. (this does not work as much though. Girls play dumb).
Tell the manager your expectations. Oddly enough I didn't insist at Virgin and had a completely odd experience where the girl blew me to pop without showering even (I did shower a few hours earlier before KTV). Then showered blew and fucked like a demon. No service but a memorable sauna. Did repeat and did repeat outside of sauna for free including her buying me drinks.
However I did try a new sauna Cheng Yuan (BSD knows) and had a great double there, good rates too 450, 500, 550, 600 all in, no room fee. Nice rooms, with dancing stage (some have stripper pole) , decent selection of girls.
Honestly you didn't think you were scoring a freebee with a massage girl at the hotel. Geesh don't be so cheap and toss the girl a modest tip. If she didn't want one she wouldn't ask. You are in CP and are not Adonis (SEAJ is) , you should know better!
Now you have screwed it up for those of us that might want to do our massage girl, cause you think it is free. In another city maybe but in CP, against the rules.
Honestly you couldn't afford the 300 for a tip and berated the girl comparing her to a standard WG? If you were in HK you'd have bought her a $50 dinner and then more for drinks to get her in bed. Please don't disrespect the girls like that.I'm no Adonis but then I have scored plenty of freebies thanks! The latest being at Walter footsie and I DID tip her handsomely because she deserved it and didn't ask for one. I just said here's some money for dinner. I hope I haven't spoiled it for anyone and am sure if you fancy paying 500-600 to screw a massage girl plenty will jump at the chance.
Instead of the rail, anybody have any experience with the local buses that take you straight to HK from Hui Mei? Those might be better options at the end of the day. Any recommendations?
CP got cold all of the sudden. Today. Woke up, walked outside and needed a sweatshirt. What the heck is going on?
-JettJett. I took that bus once to try to get to HK earlier than the 9:00 arrive 10:00? HK direct train. Good news is it goes to the HK island side, bad news it is cheap way to cross and you have to get off bus and wait in line at border crossing that took over an hour at 8. 30 in morning. It was slower than taking the train, because so cheap mainlanders cross on busses at that big bus depot in shenzhen. The bus ride wasn't bad the crossing was.
Note if you can cross quick you can get on any bus to your destination on the other side, HK residents have the quick cross which makes this easy, but for a foreigner non-hker you are screwed at the crossing.
I've never understood the sponsoring thing. She is a WG so she aint a virgin and she's probably already been with 100 guys. If you like her, and you want to date her, then date her and give her some $$ like you would if you for a normal girlfriend. Why pay her thousands of RMB for this privilige? Even if she is willing to be "exclusive" with you, why pay money for the "exclusivity". Especially, since you probably won't be around to make sure that she is "exclusive". Can someone explain?I suppose you can consider this. Suppose you are up every weekend for 3 days x 4 / month = 12 * 800 = 9600. So you instead sponsor her for 10k (same same) and maybe she has some loyalty and you cut down on her extracurriculars.
Some girls do go exclusive (heck Rockstar turned me down when she was being sponsored, said she could only drink with me) and stay that way. Not all cheat but I bet 50% or more do. I saw my first KTV girl on the street, and was chatting her up but she looked nervous, asked why and her 'sponsor' was in the area. LOL. And she has a flat ass and chest (nice face though).
So it is possible to sideline them for awile, or at least cut them down from 20 guys a month to say 3-4. Maintain their purity a little more.
Second motivation is you notice all the girls are 'on call' on QQ and the phone for their sponsors, so they have a full illusion of a relationship. Something they are willing to pay for.
StinkyFeet
04-05-11, 06:40
Yes now most girls from KTV want 20k or more for sponsor. Jett how about that little hottie that said she looked at an iphone and it was 6k, said she'd find some sucker to buy it for her. And we both know she well.
I know one Virgin Sauna girl a decent one is getting 30k working a month, taller, B / C cup, and a white tiger.
30k is minimum a month. I imagine you could sponsor at the same level as the pay though.
, a shorter girl, only 10k. Depends on your tastes and quality. 10k could be had for a girl trying to get 'out', but even some of my old WG friends say that wouldn't be enough anymore. Sigh, the cash is that free flowing in CP. Glad I never venture there! I wonder how much my QQ "friends" are being sponsored for then. The only girl I know was a former guangzhou KTV girl that got out of the biz. Says she was afraid to get to old and not be marriageable (25yo). Later some rich guy buys her everything (house, car, etc) plus 20K month stipend. But she was the most amazing girl I have ever seen in my life mongering for 7 years (korea and japan included). I had another friend inform me that her friend (former emperor sauna girl model) just got engaged to a taiwanese biz man after a year of extravegent monetary gifts. She hinted to her that she got from him over 100, 000 yuan before she accepted his proposal. She is tall, big fake boobs, and semi-pretty imo.
Hmm. Instead of WGs. What about go-go dancers? Some of the hottest Chinese girls I have ever seen were dancers at bar clubs (jinjiang and quanzhou come to mind). I befriended a couple but never got far with them since my Chinese is horrible.
Jettsetter
04-05-11, 12:01
Anybody party there recently? I'm interested in hearing some folks' opinions and experiences over there. I've heard there's lots of drugs there. But I'm sure there's also regular KTV fun there. I mean I went there, but that was probably like 5 years ago. I'm sure lots has changed.
Anybody with any experience there. Let me know. And no duck stories please.
-Jett
clarification: mrt train surcharge / local chinese train. mad dach to the platform from the staging area.
surcharge at the border mrt stations. i had to pay extra at the border station prior to exiting, i think it was 45 hk extra. leave one stop prior to the border no surcharge.
mad dash to the platform from the staging area was a typical during the rush hours, unique to this system. it is good local rail system and has a food cart. avoid the coffee at 50 rmb, not good on this one train and is same price as foot massage at swan. the train ticket very reasonable and very clean.
hui mei. hong kong side (shun tak centre, central post office, wanchai mtr, times square cwb)
rmb 70 (hk$70 return trip)
hui mei. kowloon side (mongkok, harbour city) rmb 60 (hk$60 return trip)
leaves on the hour to the last bus at 7 pm.
you can also take these buses to the hong kong airport.
1 hour to kowloon bay. 1 building with 2 customs / immigration facilities, thus only stop once, and the hong kong side buses leave the border at 20 and 40 past.
quite convenient and if you make the bus leaving the border, the whole journey, hui mei to cwb is under 2 hours. thus just about as fast as the direct train if you need to be in cwb.
and as for sound7's post, there's no such thing as a surcharge for border crossing train; it is either the cross boundary train directly to hong kong at hk$145 or the local hi-speed crh train cp-sz at rmb 45 or 50 for 1st class. at sz, you need to cross over by foot and catch the mtr train on the other side. and as for a "mad dash". what mad dash?
seaj
Travel light and it is mad dash to the local train. Surcharge on regular ticket for border crossing.Is the stamp in Chinese Changping or Pinyin. Is this something new? Can anyone that has come from HK confirm this on their passport? Perhaps it is only for HK passports not other foreigners? (those guys seem to always have a bunch of different stamps)
Hmm. Instead of WGs. What about go-go dancers? Some of the hottest Chinese girls I have ever seen were dancers at bar clubs (jinjiang and quanzhou come to mind). I befriended a couple but never got far with them since my Chinese is horrible.Bar / Club dancers are often hot, in good shape and certainly have no problem getting laid. So you better have lots of money, game, looks or all three to pull that one off. Sure it could be done, even the FH dancers are available for sitting but not going out, but if you built something up sure. The 18 dancers in CP, I saw they hanging and multiple approach and swats from younger good looking and I assume local guys. Enough money will persuade any girl in CP I am sure.
Sardaukar1
04-05-11, 17:01
You know I think that is a trend. Very true, if you let them play their game (deceipt) somehow they think you are a kindred spirit and get a GFE from them.If we let them play their game, then she would feel that we're on their side. She has no need to hide stuff from us and put on a fake mask, and as a result of lowering her guard she treats us better.
Pussycheck
04-05-11, 18:04
Does anyone know if there are spots like BBS, saunas and KTVs available in Dongcheng District?
I consider to stay in:
Sofitel Dongguan Royal Lagoon.
8 Ying Bin Road.
Dongcheng District.
Which is probably one of the very best hotels in Dongguan area where you have an excellent pool, food and service but it's far away from Changping (about 40 kms). Has anybody stayed in this hotel and know if in the hotel or outside are spots where you can find WGs?
Can some experienced bros please give me some advice whether I should let someone like Dave to arrange everything for me, OR take care of everything myself when I'm going to CP on the 19th for a total of 2 weeks.
I just booked my plane ticket, I'm really looking forward to this trip, but because this is my first time going there, so any advice will be appreciated, especially if you know some people who was good guide when you were there which are trustworthy.
Any recommendation about good clean hotel to stay which also close to all the actions or maybe even on site for around AUD $50-$70 per night?
Thanks.
I suppose you can consider this. Suppose you are up every weekend for 3 days x 4 / month = 12 * 800 = 9600. So you instead sponsor her for 10k (same same) and maybe she has some loyalty and you cut down on her extracurriculars.
Some girls do go exclusive (heck Rockstar turned me down when she was being sponsored, said she could only drink with me) and stay that way. Not all cheat but I bet 50% or more do. I saw my first KTV girl on the street, and was chatting her up but she looked nervous, asked why and her 'sponsor' was in the area. LOL. And she has a flat ass and chest (nice face though).
So it is possible to sideline them for awile, or at least cut them down from 20 guys a month to say 3-4. Maintain their purity a little more.
Second motivation is you notice all the girls are 'on call' on QQ and the phone for their sponsors, so they have a full illusion of a relationship. Something they are willing to pay for.Weirdly for foreigners, I think this is just the way it works here. You want me you give me something in exchange. You pay upfront for apartment, car, plastic surgery, stipends and indemnities in case the contract is terminated. I ve seen one one day asking for a mercedes benz to her sponsor to start negotiating with him as proof of his commitment. Crazy days.
I m not sure how it started but it s a mixture of historical traditions (concubines) and a sudden wealth of local businessmen. These girls are usually extremely aware of their sex appeal and smart, they know how to get a local guy hooked. I guess if we could afford it in the US or Europe (taking into consideration what divorce laws are in China compared to the US for example) we would do the same thing.
Anyway what is great in this story is that a majority of these girls cheat on their sponsor and that they are often happy to go with foreigners when they can.
StinkyFeet
04-06-11, 15:02
Bar / Club dancers are often hot, in good shape and certainly have no problem getting laid. So you better have lots of money, game, looks or all three to pull that one off. Sure it could be done, even the FH dancers are available for sitting but not going out, but if you built something up sure. The 18 dancers in CP, I saw they hanging and multiple approach and swats from younger good looking and I assume local guys. Enough money will persuade any girl in CP I am sure.I am curious. What is considered a lot of money? Game I understand. That is global. Looks I understand since these girls aren't exactly desperate for a second father. Haha
SE Asia Joe
04-06-11, 16:24
Clarification: MRT Train Surcharge / Local Chinese Train. Mad dach to the platform from the staging area.
Surcharge at the border MRT Stations. I had to pay extra at the border station prior to exiting, I think It was 45 HK extra. Leave one stop prior to the border no surcharge.
Mad Dash to the platform from the staging area was a typical during the rush hours, unique to this system. It is good local rail system and has a food cart. Avoid the coffee at 50 RMB, not good on this one train and is same price as foot massage at Swan. The train ticket very reasonable and very clean.
WHAT are you talkiing about?
Which border? From Hong Kong or from China? And WHO required you to pay a "surcharge? '
There is no such thing; one either gets on the direct cross border train with stops at Hong Kong, Dongguan, Guangzhou East (with a couple trains per day going up to Foshan and Zhaoqing, and NO stops in Shenzhen) or else the LOCAL / domestic train, which if in the China side is the CRH fast train running between Guangzhou and terminates at Shenzhen in China and if on the Hong Kong side starts at Hung Hom and terminates at Luohu station on the Hong Kong side. One needs to cross the Luohu frontier on foot then.
There is NO surcharge anywhere as there is NO provision for any "conversion" of any train journeys between Hong Kong and China.
And what is "Mad Dash to the platform from the staging area?" What Staging area? What mad dash from where to which place?
Please explain.
And BTW. Coffee on the China CRH side is RMB 25 and not 50 as you state. I just had one 4 or 5 hours ago.
SEAJ
Mit Fo Lfe
04-06-11, 20:01
Can some experienced bros please give me some advice whether I should let someone like Dave to arrange everything for me, OR take care of everything myself when I'm going to CP on the 19th for a total of 2 weeks.
I just booked my plane ticket, I'm really looking forward to this trip, but because this is my first time going there, so any advice will be appreciated, especially if you know some people who was good guide when you were there which are trustworthy.
Any recommendation about good clean hotel to stay which also close to all the actions or maybe even on site for around AUD $50-$70 per night?
Thanks. If you can arrange everything yourself, why not do it yourself? I have been going to CP for over 5 years and can manage everything myself. With that being said I still use Dave because he takes care of it all for me. If I have issues with anything I know that it's easily resolved without any effort on my part. If you've read any of the posts you will see that he arranges everything so all you need to do is show up.
Jettsetter
04-07-11, 02:46
Can some experienced bros please give me some advice whether I should let someone like Dave to arrange everything for me, OR take care of everything myself when I'm going to CP on the 19th for a total of 2 weeks.
I just booked my plane ticket, I'm really looking forward to this trip, but because this is my first time going there, so any advice will be appreciated, especially if you know some people who was good guide when you were there which are trustworthy.
Any recommendation about good clean hotel to stay which also close to all the actions or maybe even on site for around AUD $50-$70 per night?
Thanks. I guess you look at it this way. If you've been here, have friends, and know the scene. Then you can do either and be fine either way. Especially if you speak the language. I've been coming for 9 years or so and was fine doing it myself, but since meeting dave, have always had him book at least (not necessarily run the party) , because he knows the managers, dj's mommys, etc. And is a great asset to have without you having to worry about anything.
I don't use him for day time activities, since I can speak and can get around with ease.
If you don't speak, or if you don't know the area. While you CAN get laid, you won't know the half of what CP has to offer. I've been living here for months now and am just discovering some small and interesting places, partly due to Dave and partly just exploring. But I don't think that your itinerary affords you this "exploration" period.
Another point to be made is that even if you did know what you were doing, succeeded in booking a KTV room, are you coming alone? KTV's are not fun alone. It's better with at least a few more guys to share the experience and play games. As such, assuming you could speak and get a KTV room, partying by yourself is not only expensive, but somewhat boring. Dave offers the advantage of having other similarly situated people to share in costs and to share in fun.
Now the guy can't create miracles. I mean he can't create a group where one doesn't exist, and he can't make you into a fun party animal when you aren't one. So party the way you are suited to party. Some have a blast at KTV's while others prefer other scenes.
Point being that if I were a newbie, whether I spoke the language or not, I'd seek his services at least to get the lay of the land. Whether you wanted to continue to use his services or not is up to you. But the "costs of learning curve" that are usually spent exploring a new place and mistakes made can be easily saved by utilizing his services.
Once you're comfortable then go on your own if you want.
I'm not dissuading you from joining up with others from this board and doing your own thing. But I'd still recommend booking KTV's with dave because simply put, he has the connections and can set things up without you having to do all the leg work. Sometimes my buddies come in and we really don't need him running anything we just have him book for us. Does he get any benefit? Sure, he gets a cut of the bill. (based on percentage I believe). But if he didn't then some other manager that you called would get it. It wouldn't certainly come off the bill otherwise. The manager / mommy would just take a bigger cut instead of sharing it with one of our bros.
So there's really no downside, but instead of talking to some manager that really has no loyalty to you because you're here for two weeks, dave has a solid basis and some bargaining power because he has stream of clients and won't get screwed by them cancelling your room last minute. (has happened. Trust me. Especially on a fri / sat night).
That's why we've been using him even though we have the ability to go out and get our own reservations and rooms. It's a win win for both of us actually.
Anyways. Best of luck. Look us up when you get here.
-Jett
Thanks for both of you which had taken your time to offer me some advice. I'm going to contact Dave, and hopefully I'll see you guys somewhere in CP.
Can some experienced bros please give me some advice whether I should let someone like Dave to arrange everything for me, OR take care of everything myself when I'm going to CP on the 19th for a total of 2 weeks.
I just booked my plane ticket, I'm really looking forward to this trip, but because this is my first time going there, so any advice will be appreciated, especially if you know some people who was good guide when you were there which are trustworthy.
Any recommendation about good clean hotel to stay which also close to all the actions or maybe even on site for around AUD $50-$70 per night?
Thanks. Syd,
I would echo what Jettsetter laid out for you. One of the "big" parts of this is your ability to speak the local lingo and I don't just mean the language. I suspect that you will find that not using Dave's services, ESPECIALLY if this is your first trip will greatly diminish that amount of fun you have and also add a lot to the "hassle" factor you experience. The truth is it doesn't "cost" you anything, because BSD doesn't charge you anything. The other thing is it will most likely save you money in the long run, because he will try to alert you to any "scams" or potential problems in advance. I have no way to know for sure, but I suspect that if a mommie, manager, KTV girl, etc knows you are a "client" of Dave's they will think twice about putting the full bore "Lo Wai" press on, because they know it will affect their ability to attract his clients in the future. I know from personal experience that I have benefited from this "BSD effect" with a couple of the KTV girls. I don't mean to go overboard, but IMHO you would be foolish not to take advantage of his expertise. I hope I am in town when you make it to CP, hope we can make a party of it!
Sky
Syd,
I would echo what Jettsetter laid out for you. One of the "big" parts of this is your ability to speak the local lingo and I don't just mean the language. I suspect that you will find that not using Dave's services, ESPECIALLY if this is your first trip will greatly diminish that amount of fun you have and also add a lot to the "hassle" factor you experience. The truth is it doesn't "cost" you anything, because BSD doesn't charge you anything. The other thing is it will most likely save you money in the long run, because he will try to alert you to any "scams" or potential problems in advance. I have no way to know for sure, but I suspect that if a mommie, manager, KTV girl, etc knows you are a "client" of Dave's they will think twice about putting the full bore "Lo Wai" press on, because they know it will affect their ability to attract his clients in the future. I know from personal experience that I have benefited from this "BSD effect" with a couple of the KTV girls. I don't mean to go overboard, but IMHO you would be foolish not to take advantage of his expertise. I hope I am in town when you make it to CP, hope we can make a party of it!
SkyThanks Sky, I've already wrote an email to Dave, hope we can meet in CP, and have some fun time together.
Last week I went to Fu Hao with a group that BSD had put together. To be honest I was pretty tired from working all night and travel, yadda, yadda.
I read with interest the post from one of the members about picking a red tag (unavailable that night) girl and it appealed to me to try. Glad I did! I saw a petit little wonder with a great smile and was interested, then I saw her red tag and kept moving. I picked another gal, and decided to give the little cutie with the red tag a test drive in the room! She was a lot of fun and the smile she had for me at flower street never left her face. In fact both girls were fun, but I decided to pass on the one, because she started smoking, then blew it in my face, even after I asked her to stop. If she was using that as a way to make sure I didn't take her home it was effective! The red tag girl asked me to come back two days later when she would be "fully serviceable" and made sure both me and BSD had her number. I chose not to do a KTV on Sunday, but will make sure to sit her on my next visit to Fu Hao!
All in all a fun night, good group of guys. Again!
Saturday was a visit to Yi Hao, this place is becoming a favorite. Nice rooms lots of good girls to go along with it. I pre-ordered a special gal, who brought along a "first time friend", so I didn't choose any of the "local talent". A couple of friends came up from Shenzhen and they did a good job of choosing gals. A little more laid back night, but still a lot of fun and wound taking the "porn star" home. She wanted to bring her friend along, but I resisted until I had some experience with this girl. She was a lot of fun and while it was pretty tame for "a PSE", I would certainly repeat with her. Not GFE by any means but knows how to make things happen and told me she likes to "dress up". I will give her the chance. I enjoyed the view of CP at night, from my balcony, with the warm balmy breeze as I was banging away from behind. Ah. The memories! Got to love CP.
A wise person once told me "treat a girl well and she will walk all over you. Treat them like shit and they will come back for more". True or not?
If we let them play their game, then she would feel that we're on their side. She has no need to hide stuff from us and put on a fake mask, and as a result of lowering her guard she treats us better.
StinkyFeet
04-08-11, 05:49
A wise person once told me "treat a girl well and she will walk all over you. Treat them like shit and they will come back for more". True or not?Only if you got her attention.
A wise person once told me "treat a girl well and she will walk all over you. Treat them like shit and they will come back for more". True or not?I like the saying better:
"Treat a Tramp like a Princess and treat a Princess like a Tramp."
OldAsiaHand
04-09-11, 04:11
Sydcabbie,
As a frequent visitor to CP for over 15 years, I recommend you go with Dave since it is your first visit.
KTV: Although I am not a big KTV fan, Dave's parties are a lot of fun since you can meet and make friends with similar interests and drinking alone is not fun. Having friends in CP is also good since you can hook-up with them for lunch, massage, etc. During the daytime when it can get pretty boring in CP.
Ripoffs: CP can be dangerous if you don't know your way around. Scams go down everyday.
Market knowledge: Dave is in CP all the time and knows which places are the best at a given point in time e. G. Which KTVs, saunas and BBS have the best girls etc. Things can change quickly as the girls and establishments move around.
Hotels: I always have Dave book the Clipper for me. It is less than 300 RMB for the deluxe room.
As my fellow ISG brothers have said, it is not impossible for you to do it on your own, but Dave is a good option for convenience and learning.
Just my POV and please no flaming for my support of Dave. It is just my honest opinion and advice for a newbie without language skills or experience mongering in CP that wants hassle free fun. Yes, Dave is my friend and thus I can vouch for him, but I would recommend the same for other service providers if I knew any.
Happy Hunting!
OAH.
Can some experienced bros please give me some advice whether I should let someone like Dave to arrange everything for me, OR take care of everything myself when I'm going to CP on the 19th for a total of 2 weeks.
I just booked my plane ticket, I'm really looking forward to this trip, but because this is my first time going there, so any advice will be appreciated, especially if you know some people who was good guide when you were there which are trustworthy.
Any recommendation about good clean hotel to stay which also close to all the actions or maybe even on site for around AUD $50-$70 per night?
Thanks.
Sardaukar1
04-09-11, 06:01
I like the saying better:
"Treat a Tramp like a Princess and treat a Princess like a Tramp."Oh damn, well said brotha!
My border crossing point was Luohu station. Surcharge at the border for the train fare difference without any penalties. Thank god the Chinese are not as crule as the JR systems in Japan, penality for not having the right fare tickets are extreme.
Guangzhou & SHZ have a metal screening machine in place. After screening one sits in a waiting area till the train number is announced. Then the mad dash to the platform. No waiting on the platform like in other places in the world. The platform is cleared.
Chinese rail system is cheap and friendly even with the mad dash to the platform. Make sure your belongings are secure.
WHAT are you talkiing about?
Which border? From Hong Kong or from China? And WHO required you to pay a "surcharge? '
There is no such thing; one either gets on the direct cross border train with stops at Hong Kong, Dongguan, Guangzhou East (with a couple trains per day going up to Foshan and Zhaoqing, and NO stops in Shenzhen) or else the LOCAL / domestic train, which if in the China side is the CRH fast train running between Guangzhou and terminates at Shenzhen in China and if on the Hong Kong side starts at Hung Hom and terminates at Luohu station on the Hong Kong side. One needs to cross the Luohu frontier on foot then.
There is NO surcharge anywhere as there is NO provision for any "conversion" of any train journeys between Hong Kong and China.
And what is "Mad Dash to the platform from the staging area?" What Staging area? What mad dash from where to which place?
Please explain.
And BTW. Coffee on the China CRH side is RMB 25 and not 50 as you state. I just had one 4 or 5 hours ago.
SEAJ
I have a week of vacation coming up next month and have been strongly considering a trip to Asia. Airfares from the US to HKG or BKK are $1, 300+ and it's about 20-24 hours of travel time each way. Before I book my flight, I just want to ask anyone from North America, is it really worth the trip? I'd be so disappointed if I flew half way across the world only to be disappointed with the quality of women. I have read deep into the threads on CP and it seems like so much fun, but is it worth spending 24 hours on a plane? I can fly to Amsterdam in half the time (and half the price) and hit Vienna, Zurich and Frankfurt.
Before I pull the trigger, I'd appreciate some advice. I don't get to take vacation very often, so this is a big decision for me.
OldAsiaHand
04-10-11, 02:23
I have a week of vacation coming up next month and have been strongly considering a trip to Asia. Airfares from the US to HKG or BKK are $1, 300+ and it's about 20-24 hours of travel time each way. Before I book my flight, I just want to ask anyone from North America, is it really worth the trip? I'd be so disappointed if I flew half way across the world only to be disappointed with the quality of women. I have read deep into the threads on CP and it seems like so much fun, but is it worth spending 24 hours on a plane? I can fly to Amsterdam in half the time (and half the price) and hit Vienna, Zurich and Frankfurt.
Before I pull the trigger, I'd appreciate some advice. I don't get to take vacation very often, so this is a big decision for me. Atexguy,
I am from North America, however, have lived 10 years in Thailand and 15 years in China.
Unless you have a specific desire for Chinese women, I recommend BKK for your first Asia mongering excursion. The scene is much more developed, it is safer, more English is spoken, prices are about the same more or less and, IMHO, the service is better for foreigners.
It must be worth it since so many mongers keep going back again and again. I am sure you won't be disappointed. Just do the research and plan your time there well so you can enjoy all it has to offer.
Just my POV.
OAH
Jettsetter
04-10-11, 03:28
Atexguy,
I am from North America, however, have lived 10 years in Thailand and 15 years in China.
Unless you have a specific desire for Chinese women, I recommend BKK for your first Asia mongering excursion. The scene is much more developed, it is safer, more English is spoken, prices are about the same more or less and, IMHO, the service is better for foreigners.
It must be worth it since so many mongers keep going back again and again. I am sure you won't be disappointed. Just do the research and plan your time there well so you can enjoy all it has to offer.
Just my POV.
OAHUnfortunately the reality of reverse racism in China is still going to be a factor as opposed to somewhere like the Philippines or Thailand where their monger scene has seen way more foreigners than in China. China is still relatively inaccessible to most, and those who venture here who are non-asian, are faced with some harsh realities of the gals who just won't go with you, are scared of you, etc. Etc.
Just like when I went to poland and got the worst service because I must be the first asian she's ever seen,. Nothing but a place to plug your weener into. You might get that same experience here. Although there are lots and lots of gals who will treat you the same and have a great time. Problem is that because the selection is more dwindled if you are a non-asian (and let's be honest, even for some asian guys who can't speak, or even for those who CAN speak. Service will vary). But when you're talking about percentages, the ones who are willing and WANT to go with a foreigner (thus equalling a good time). Are fewer and far between than not.
Compare that with BKK or PI. Where I'd say ALL The girls are more than happy to go with a foreigner (at least more than not) , your chances of a "good time" go up exponentially.
Now. We're all speaking in generalities. In the end, who you choose will determine how good of a time you have. Plenty of gringos are here in CP having a blast with gals they pick. But from what I've seen, even the guys who are locals (live here and can speak and are asian) pick poorly because they pick on looks alone. The hottest girls usually (and again generalizations) are NOT the ones that you'll have the best time with.
Sure, they're great eye candy. But at the end of the day eye candy doesn't necessarily get you porn star experience in bed (probably because they're ALWAYS picked.and they think they're the best thing since sliced bread).
Also, it's all about YOUR attitude. As in most places, it's all what YOU make of it. If you're a door mat, or just sit there expecting the girl to create your experience. Generally speaking that's not going to happen. If you are playful can create a good atmosphere, then the girl can be won over.
But as OAH said. If you're a first timer to asia. BKK is your best bet off the bat. Although the scene is VERY different, and in my opinion, the girls in China are much more beautiful than the ones in Thailand. Although they tend to be more of the same looking (I. E. Chinese) where as some thai girls look more exotic. I. E. Dark and light, some look like they're not even asian.
Anyways, best of luck. Happy hunting.
-Jett
RCA Knight
04-10-11, 04:48
For China beginners Asian or non-Asian, I think the best bet is to start from saunas. Those big saunas in southern China have great selection and generally very reliable service, for me much better than these massage sideline girls in Thailand. I have taken my friends of all ethnicities to saunas many times even once taking a business associate from Nigeria, and have not been turned down once or charged differently once. That is one thing that rate better than Thai massages. But the downside is if you are looking for more GF in China you need to speak at least basic Chinese, in order to have some fun in karaoke or picking up freebies.
There are lots of freebies in China that are interested in meeting foreigners, much more than Thailand in my opinion, especially many pretty students. If you can take the time to learn some Chinese, the reward is enormous.
Anyways, I always recommend my friends who know nothing about China or on first trip, to stick with saunas. If you are new to CP, and don't know where to go sauna, just use one of the agents, there are tons on this forum and other forums as well.
OldAsiaHand
04-10-11, 05:47
Unfortunately the reality of reverse racism in China is still going to be a factor as opposed to somewhere like the Philippines or Thailand where their monger scene has seen way more foreigners than in China. China is still relatively inaccessible to most, and those who venture here who are non-asian, are faced with some harsh realities of the gals who just won't go with you, are scared of you, etc. Etc.I reckon the overall percentage China-wide is at least 30% of the girls will not go with a non-Asian foreigner even if you can speak the language. Higher, if you cannot communicate that you are not Johnny Wad with a humongous didi and want to pound them for hours. They watch too much western porn and hear stories from other girls.
IMHO, big hotel saunas are the most foreigner friendly, followed by KTV and BBS. The low end BBS are the worst since they see the fewest foreigners, especially in the smaller towns.
All that said, if you speak a bit of Chinese, spend enough time in the establishments and are not Johnny Wad, you can lower the percentages over time. It is much better than it was 15 years ago when you were lucky to find 1-2 girls in the entire KTV that would go with you.
Just my POV.
OAH
Hey All,
I'll be back in Asia end of the month.
This time I'm flying into HK instead of Guangzhou CAN airport.
Flight lands at 7:00 am in HK,
I need to make my way to ZhongShan.
(heading to ZS first for a side trip, then swinging back to DG for some guy fun after a few days)
I hear there is a ferry from HK to Zhongshan, should I try this route?
OR take train to Guangzhou then transfer to bus to ZS?
Thanks
Cunning Linguist
04-10-11, 18:23
I reckon the overall percentage China-wide is at least 30% of the girls will not go with a non-Asian foreigner even if you can speak the language. Higher, if you cannot communicate that you are not Johnny Wad with a humongous didi and want to pound them for hours. They watch too much western porn and hear stories from other girls.
IMHO, big hotel saunas are the most foreigner friendly, followed by KTV and BBS. The low end BBS are the worst since they see the fewest foreigners, especially in the smaller towns.
All that said, if you speak a bit of Chinese, spend enough time in the establishments and are not Johnny Wad, you can lower the percentages over time. It is much better than it was 15 years ago when you were lucky to find 1-2 girls in the entire KTV that would go with you.
Just my POV.
OAHMy experience in CP was highly positive and I am as Laowai as they come. I was one of the very few non-Asian-looking types around when I was there. I really stuck out. No problem. In the two weeks I was there, I was rejected only once, in a BBS. I was never rejected at a KTV though I did have to coax a girl for a while to convince her that I was not John Holmes (lubricant usually convinced even the doubters).
How did I do it? First of all, I speak Chinese, at least enough to engage in a conversation about friends and family and to emphasize that I am a very limao (polite) person. I always smiled that made them know that I knew Chinese, at least enough for communication purposes.
I also dressed as well as I could and was invariably well-groomed (even with men's cologne). No T-shirts or baseball hats or shorts. It probably helps if you are a bit fit and I try to be although the beer intake in CP did eventually put on the pounds in the end. I always went to the same BBSes and so they got to know me and the other girls could really find out that I really was limao, nice, kind, and considerate. I was always smiling, very respectful, and very accommodating though I learnt not to be a doormat.
When I go back in August, hopefully my Chinese will be even better. I like Chinese girls much more than Thai girls (I am talking WGs here) overall. The Thais were more jaded. Hell, they don't even like it if you speak Thai as then they feel insecure (e. G. They can't tell their friends how stupid their john is, at least in a direct way). I liked Laos much more but it is wilder and you do need to speak Thai / Lao to have a better, safer time (at least in my experience).
OldAsiaHand
04-11-11, 01:33
Hey All,
I'll be back in Asia end of the month.
This time I'm flying into HK instead of Guangzhou CAN airport.
Flight lands at 7:00 am in HK,
I need to make my way to ZhongShan.
(heading to ZS first for a side trip, then swinging back to DG for some guy fun after a few days)
I hear there is a ferry from HK to Zhongshan, should I try this route?
OR take train to Guangzhou then transfer to bus to ZS?
ThanksThey have bus service from HKIA directly to Zhongshan. I do not think they have a ferry, but they have to Zhuhai and you could make your way by bus from there.
Can any one recommend a Sauna in ZhongShan?
Thanks.
Visual
I'm no Adonis but then I have scored plenty of freebies thanks! The latest being at Walter footsie and I DID tip her handsomely because she deserved it and didn't ask for one. I just said here's some money for dinner. I hope I haven't spoiled it for anyone and am sure if you fancy paying 500-600 to screw a massage girl plenty will jump at the chance.What was the freebie at the footsie, you did her in the footsie room or she showed up later? Please tell.
Anyway what is great in this story is that a majority of these girls cheat on their sponsor and that they are often happy to go with foreigners when they can.Foreigners are safer. Perhaps not a local so they can get their cash for the night and then you leave and no one knows unless they were spying on her. You will notice sponsored girls are more keen on going from KTV to hotel and then home, and less likely to join you for dinner or in outside conspicuous places.
The sad thing is that alot of the girls are bad lays, and you would think that they would try to be better skilled to land a sponsor. We all forget the faces but don't forget the pornstars in bed.
I have no way to know for sure, but I suspect that if a mommie, manager, KTV girl, etc knows you are a "client" of Dave's they will think twice about putting the full bore "Lo Wai" press on, because they know it will affect their ability to attract his clients in the future. I know from personal experience that I have benefited from this "BSD effect" with a couple of the KTV girls. I don't mean to go overboard, but IMHO you would be foolish not to take advantage of his expertise. I hope I am in town when you make it to CP, hope we can make a party of it! SkyI can tell you that if Dave calls a sauna manager you will get better service, they know Dave brings them customers. Same with Pozilim (massage) , Same with KTV, there are no scams pulled, no girls pleading for a giant stuffed dog for 200 rmb (which they sell back the next day at 100 rmb) , and no drink scams (where they sneak in a box full of empties . And yes it has happened to me but not in CP I use Dave). You have a good time and no need to argue the bill at the end of the night (nothing worse to spoil the mood.) , and you won't have KTV goons shaking you down for 5000 rmb. (see scams in Shanghai, Beijing, etc.)
He does offer private tours for the day so you can find out where everything is, food, massage, etc. That is a charge an worth it for an introduction. Jett said you would waste more money and time trying to find the lay of the land yourself.
We all book rooms or join his parties because it is easy, fun and also he typically sets a cap for a party and will text you should you exceed that in case you do have a party budget. (by text to your phone in the room). Call dave, sit back and enjoy.
Sardaukar1
04-11-11, 07:56
The sad thing is that alot of the girls are bad lays, and you would think that they would try to be better skilled to land a sponsor. We all forget the faces but don't forget the pornstars in bed.I guess that makes me an exception! I'm ok with mediocre performance in bed as long as the girl is hot :-0 If the girl's ugly, I can't get it up even if she displays the best performance.
Jettsetter
04-11-11, 15:40
I know things have changed since many have been her. But CP is still alive and kicking. New Hotesl coming up. . Mot recently. We've hit up Yi Hao for some fun. Good times. Nice environment. Sort of like a less fancy version of Eurasia without the Eurasia costs.
Girls are good. Fun. Some stunners and hotties.
Check it out when you are here.
One to be added to the "list". Although I still think we have to venture out and try some other "unknowns". Like New Century.
Another thing is a new club called Cannes. Someone wrote about it a while back. Need to check it out.
-jett
SE Asia Joe
04-11-11, 15:55
They have bus service from HKIA directly to Zhongshan. I do not think they have a ferry, but they have to Zhuhai and you could make your way by bus from there.Errrr. Sorry, but there IS a direct ferry from Chek Lap Kok to Zhongshan; only problem is that its only 1 sailing a day.
Zhongshan.
Estimated journey time: 70 minutes
3A152 15:40 16:50
So perhaps your way via Zhuhai is probably still the best.
Redline = you should go to the HKIA official website giving all the transport alternatives to figure out the best way for yourself:
http://www.hongkongairport.com/CBT/Controller?locale=eng
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
04-11-11, 21:00
I have a week of vacation coming up next month and have been strongly considering a trip to Asia. Airfares from the US to HKG or BKK are $1, 300+ and it's about 20-24 hours of travel time each way. Before I book my flight, I just want to ask anyone from North America, is it really worth the trip? I'd be so disappointed if I flew half way across the world only to be disappointed with the quality of women. I have read deep into the threads on CP and it seems like so much fun, but is it worth spending 24 hours on a plane? I can fly to Amsterdam in half the time (and half the price) and hit Vienna, Zurich and Frankfurt.
Before I pull the trigger, I'd appreciate some advice. I don't get to take vacation very often, so this is a big decision for me.To Ateguy.
I think one week is not enough for both country you really need more than 2 week, I would go to Bangkok for 5 night and 8 days in China spend some time in Hk and Macau spend a few night in CP and Shenzhen, it will cost you less in asia than in Europe cost of mongering and hotel is much cheaper, I am from the US spend alot of time in asia on business.
Fast Eddie 48
Jettsetter
04-12-11, 04:52
Few tricks on the trade. For those who come to HK more than 3 times a year (I. E. Whether you come to CP or not). Be sure to check out the HKIA website, and look for the "Frequent Visitor's Card" It can save you a good 30 minutes waiting in the immigration line. We went through it recently. I had the card, my friends did not. Took them 30 minutes to get through. I got through in one minute.
Remember this is only good for the airport, so other ports don't really apply. However, the airport can be a *****. And catching that bus to CP early is nice so you can shower up, hit the footie and rest up before your night of KTV!
For folks like me that travel with alot of crap (usually because I bring US goods to stock up my apartment). Get a direct driver from HK straight to CP. BSD knows the number of Johnny. Driver extraordinare. Who can get you back and forth in a jiffy. The great thing about Johnny's van is that not only is it door to door, he picks you up at the airport with a sign, then takes you over the Huanggang border, unlike all the CP vans that take you through Shenzhen Way (which is further).
Apparently each car has only restrictions to pass through certain entry points. That controls traffic, etc. His van has the HG border crossing which is a huge advantage in terms of time and number of cars trying to pass.
Something to keep in mind folks if you either come in a group of 4 or more, or don't want the convenience. Cost is between 1100-1200 rmb for the privilege, but it's well worth it.
-Jett
Jettsetter
04-12-11, 04:59
To Ateguy.
I think one week is not enough for both country you really need more than 2 week, I would go to Bangkok for 5 night and 8 days in China spend some time in Hk and Macau spend a few night in CP and Shenzhen, it will cost you less in asia than in Europe cost of mongering and hotel is much cheaper, I am from the US spend alot of time in asia on business.
Fast Eddie 48HK and Macau hotels tend to be way more expensive though, so if you're looking at costs. I'd try to spend more NIGHTS in BKK or China if possible. HK and Macau are great and fun places, but the hotel costs on average are $150USD+ for an okay hotel. $200USD+ for nicer ones. I don't kow much about the lower grade hotels, but not really my idea of a vacation when I have to stay in a place dumpier than my own home in the States.
In China, you can get a 4 star or 5 star quality hotel for about $50-100 USD depending on what part. I mean of course in the major cities like Beijing and Shanghai it's probably like HK. But Shenzhen $100USD at the Four points Sheraton in Futian is a great deal. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY SPG Points. Their points are something like 3000 points + $30 USD gets you a room there. That's what I always do in Shenzhen.
For some reason categories in China are far less than in other places. So you get nice hotels for less points.
Just some cost saving issues I've seen. Because hotels in HK and Macau are pricey.
Anybody have any tips on good hotels in either place that doesn't break the bank? My experience is limited, so I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. I woudln't mind staying somewhere off the MTR line further away from Central or Kowloon!
-Jett
SE Asia Joe
04-12-11, 06:00
Anybody have any tips on good hotels in either place that doesn't break the bank? My experience is limited, so I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. I woudln't mind staying somewhere off the MTR line further away from Central or Kowloon!
-JettUSUALLY, the cheapest way to get cheapER hotel rooms in Hong Kong is if you buy a pre-paid voucher from one of the local travel agents.
We have Hotel room consolidators in Hong Kong who buys up #hotel rooms / year wholesale, then re-sell them thru most local travel agents. Who in turn sells them to their own clients. Once you've established a reliable travel agent contract, you can ask him to send you by fax or e-mail his list of hotels for whichever dates, chose the hotel, prepay and he will give you a voucher with which you check in with.
Depending on the season / if there are conventions etc or not, one can save anywhere up to 50% off the best Inernet booking services; don't know why this is so. As it makes sense that the International internet booking services should have the volume to beat their prices, but somehow or other, they manage to do so.
SEAJ
Lattelatte
04-12-11, 14:12
How can I find / get in touch with Dave?
I would like to go to CP April 30, May 1, 2 (Sat, Sun, Mon) and would like to hire his guidance. Will be flying into HKG from Tokyo.
Note this will be "Golden Week" in Japan starting that weekend so presumably it will be smashed with Japanese tourists?
Sydcabbie,
As a frequent visitor to CP for over 15 years, I recommend you go with Dave since it is your first visit.
OAH.
Esteem Gentleman and any Ladies. This is my first contribution on the Dong Guan thread and hopfully first of many.
I will be in DG from 27 April to 1st May. I have already contacted the highly recommended Dave (Big Swingin Dave)
Because:
1) This is my first time in DG.
2) My first ever KTV.
3) And hopfully many more trips to DG.
I am not a newbie, as you can see I am a senior member since 1999 with numerous punting experience
In London; Frankfurt; Dusseldorf; German FKK Clubs and most of Eastern Europe.
After following this thread for over 3-4 weeks I am hooked!
1) By the flower show.
2) The KTV; BBS and Sauna Place.
3) Dong Guan
4) My fellow members who have been posting insightful and witty information about DG.
5) Dave (BSD)
6). And most importantly the beautiful selection of girls on offer.
Can't wait to hook with Dave and any one who's around from the 27th April to 1st May.
Best.
How can I find / get in touch with Dave?
I would like to go to CP April 30, May 1, 2 (Sat, Sun, Mon) and would like to hire his guidance. Will be flying into HKG from Tokyo.
Note this will be "Golden Week" in Japan starting that weekend so presumably it will be smashed with Japanese tourists?
Esteem Gentleman and any Ladies. This is my first contribution on the Dong Guan thread and hopfully first of many.
I will be in DG from 27 April to 1st May. I have already contacted the highly recommended Dave (Big Swingin Dave)
Can't wait to hook with Dave and any one who's around from the 27th April to 1st May.
Best. Simex,
From what I am gathering you shouldn't have any problem finding multiple parties during your stay. Depending on my work schedule and a planned visit to AC, I should be in town during that time as well. It will be fun to share some "tall tales. Or is that "tails", since it seems we have chased both of them in some of the same locations around the world.
I can honestly say that the "scene" in CP is unlike anything I have experienced anywhere. See you then!
Jettsetter
04-13-11, 02:52
How can I find / get in touch with Dave?
I would like to go to CP April 30, May 1, 2 (Sat, Sun, Mon) and would like to hire his guidance. Will be flying into HKG from Tokyo.
Note this will be "Golden Week" in Japan starting that weekend so presumably it will be smashed with Japanese tourists? Not sure that many japanese at this time are down with being tourists given the status of their country. But I think this time of year it's more crowded with the Canton Fair folks than anything else. Hotel rooms are at a premium and HARD TO GET!
As for Dave's contact information. Simple. Either PM him or look on the classifieds. In the China thread. I'm sure any person who offers services will post there.
-Jett
OldAsiaHand
04-13-11, 15:38
Jett,
I have a card that I can use at any entry point for HK, including HKIA. Saves me hours at Huanggang during peak times to and from China. It cost 575 HK$ and is valid for 3 years. There is a bit of paperwork involved and you need a HK company to sponsor you, but it is worthwhile in the end.
Just my POV.
OAH.
P. S. You can also get a fingerprint entry deal for HKIA.
Few tricks on the trade. For those who come to HK more than 3 times a year (I. E. Whether you come to CP or not). Be sure to check out the HKIA website, and look for the "Frequent Visitor's Card" It can save you a good 30 minutes waiting in the immigration line. We went through it recently. I had the card, my friends did not. Took them 30 minutes to get through. I got through in one minute.
Remember this is only good for the airport, so other ports don't really apply. However, the airport can be a. And catching that bus to CP early is nice so you can shower up, hit the footie and rest up before your night of KTV!
For folks like me that travel with alot of crap (usually because I bring US goods to stock up my apartment). Get a direct driver from HK straight to CP. BSD knows the number of Johnny. Driver extraordinare. Who can get you back and forth in a jiffy. The great thing about Johnny's van is that not only is it door to door, he picks you up at the airport with a sign, then takes you over the Huanggang border, unlike all the CP vans that take you through Shenzhen Way (which is further).
Apparently each car has only restrictions to pass through certain entry points. That controls traffic, etc. His van has the HG border crossing which is a huge advantage in terms of time and number of cars trying to pass.
Something to keep in mind folks if you either come in a group of 4 or more, or don't want the convenience. Cost is between 1100-1200 rmb for the privilege, but it's well worth it.
-Jett
Sky Ryder,
Would be fantastic to hook up and share the numerous stories and my ventures in Eastern Europe.
Really looking forward to these KTV parties.
When I started punting I paid about £16 or $20 per hour to fuck stunning model
Blonde girls from Poland and Ukraine back in 1998. When ££ Sterling was strong.
And before any of them joined the EU.
How times have changed.
PM me your details.
Simex,
From what I am gathering you shouldn't have any problem finding multiple parties during your stay. Depending on my work schedule and a planned visit to AC, I should be in town during that time as well. It will be fun to share some "tall tales. Or is that "tails", since it seems we have chased both of them in some of the same locations around the world.
I can honestly say that the "scene" in CP is unlike anything I have experienced anywhere. See you then!
Jettsetter
04-14-11, 03:10
Jett,
I have a card that I can use at any entry point for HK, including HKIA. Saves me hours at Huanggang during peak times to and from China. It cost 575 HK$ and is valid for 3 years. There is a bit of paperwork involved and you need a HK company to sponsor you, but it is worthwhile in the end.
Just my POV.
OAH.
P. S. You can also get a fingerprint entry deal for HKIA. Actually my card is a bit different as it ONLY works at HKIA. I think the card you're talking about is the HK Entry card that's different from the FREE one I'm talking about. And NOT as complicated to get. The entire transaction can be done via email. I just took jpgs of my passport with entry dates, filled out the form, and got a card in the mail within three to four weeks. Very seemless process.
What you are talking about would be awesome to get. But more of a hassle I'm sure. I'll have to look into it. I'm very jealous of the HKers with their I'd cards that can do a quick hop over without the "foreigner" waiting line. Oh well. Luckily I don't travel to HK too much.
A cool thing I also recently got which got introduced to me by Freepeaks is the US Government Global Entry Pass. Utilizing kiosks to enter the US instead of immigration control for US Citizens. It was simple application process and $100USD. With an interview which was basically a simple process. Now when I re-enter the US, instead of waiting at those long lines, I can go straight to the kiosk. Too bad my bags don't come out as quick!
Lots of great time saving measures and tips out there. I'm always looking for more.
-Jett
California8
04-14-11, 20:34
So I have read a Tiger Woods report online:
http://www.dongguantoday.com/newsc.asp?id=9872.
Which lucky girls get to make big bucks hanging with the Tiger? They could retire!
Cal8
Worldguy72
04-15-11, 14:02
There is a new club opening for the public as of today. It's located on the second floor of the Peninsula Hotel. I got there late around 12:30 am last night to meet a buddy. I bumped into BSD as he was leaving. He introduced a girl to me in the hallway I don't know if she was a DJ or a WG but when me and my buddy went to the second floor where the club was I bumped into her and she brought a friend and four of us drank together until close. It was great fun and they didn't charge us anything for sit fee I guess they were DJ's that just got off work. Thanks BSD! You do get freebies in CP!
The new club has a big circular stage in the center with three dance poles. This club plays Hip Hop and Top 40 which is great not like Cannes where they sometimes mix some electronic music. There is a huge LED screen with music videos from the high ceiling down to the floor very nice. Atmosphere is warm no neon colors like the Cannes. Crowd is 75% females and 25% sausage which is a bonus. There is less locals in this club as you will feel safer I guess is because it's in a hotel. I saw non working girls with hot bodies and chubby ones just there to have fun and some can really pole dance "you must see for yourself"!
If you are in one of the KTV rooms singing on the third floor they have a balcony looking down and you can close the door and enjoy the music with your girl and back in the KTV room for more singing if you want, very convenient.
Overall crowd was nice, good music, and atmosphere definitely a very good club to party.
WG
SE Asia Joe
04-15-11, 14:13
Keystone cops at work!
Flash Flash. News hot off the press!
Believe this, really believe this!
Pozolim, the bastion of Veggie massage and all proper (but very skilfull) cock-tease has just gotten raided.
The cops came at around 6, had all the gals produce their I'd cards, and even right now, a bit after 9 pm, the whole place is still shut down! LOL!
All these "cross-policing" where the mayor in Nancheng would command one town's police to go to another town to do the crack-down there has resulted in such out-of-town police just going in blindly and raiding whatever looks promising!
See all the good looking gals at Pozolim, see all the guys going in at all hours of the day and night. BINGO. Something must be up there. Lets raid it. ROFLMAO.
SEAJ
Keystone cops at work!
Flash Flash. News hot off the press!
Believe this, really believe this!
Pozolim, the bastion of Veggie massage and all proper (but very skilfull) cock-tease has just gotten raided.
The cops came at around 6, had all the gals produce their I'd cards, and even right now, a bit after 9 pm, the whole place is still shut down! LOL!
All these "cross-policing" where the mayor in Nancheng would command one town's police to go to another town to do the crack-down there has resulted in such out-of-town police just going in blindly and raiding whatever looks promising!
See all the good looking gals at Pozolim, see all the guys going in at all hours of the day and night. BINGO. Something must be up there. Lets raid it. ROFLMAO.
SEAJOaky, now this is REALLY going TOO FAR!
The last bastion of serenity with great looking girls. Gets raided, the world has gone crazy. I am sure this has NOTHING to do with the Canton fair kicking off and the fact that a new place is opening upstairs!
Is somebody sending a warning shot?
Bob Sacamano
04-15-11, 18:58
So I have read a Tiger Woods report online:
http://www.dongguantoday.com/newsc.asp?id=9872.
Which lucky girls get to make big bucks hanging with the Tiger? They could retire!
Cal8Oh no. He'd be the Biggest Swinging Dick ever in CP. Could you imagine how much he'd ruin the market if he went mongering? And apparently he does possess a BSD. One of the skank hoes that he was banging in the USA told a newspaper that he had the biggest schlong she'd ever seen.
Keystone cops at work!
Flash Flash. News hot off the press!
Believe this, really believe this!
Pozolim, the bastion of Veggie massage and all proper (but very skilfull) cock-tease has just gotten raided.
The cops came at around 6, had all the gals produce their I'd cards, and even right now, a bit after 9 pm, the whole place is still shut down! LOL!
All these "cross-policing" where the mayor in Nancheng would command one town's police to go to another town to do the crack-down there has resulted in such out-of-town police just going in blindly and raiding whatever looks promising!
See all the good looking gals at Pozolim, see all the guys going in at all hours of the day and night. BINGO. Something must be up there. Lets raid it. ROFLMAO.
SEAJAre you referring to Bao Zu Lin? Pozolim I'm guessing is the Canto spelling? LOL. If so, that is some really funny stuff.
BTW, this is the "typhoon" period reported by Chinese sites. Typhoon period = many crackdowns
SE Asia Joe
04-16-11, 04:46
Are you referring to Bao Zu Lin? Pozolim I'm guessing is the Canto spelling? LOL. If so, that is some really funny stuff.
BTW, this is the "typhoon" period reported by Chinese sites. Typhoon period = many crackdownsYes its Bao Zu Lin = Pozolim! Pozolim is the English name for the place and in Putonghua, it does sound more like Bao Zu Lin. Actually, in Cantonese , it sounds more like Po Chuk Lam
And I just got further clarification; I just now found out that the LE were NOT checking the I'd's of the workers there. Instead, they were checking the I'd's of the CUSTOMERS there!
Can you believe this?
And last night's closure of the place was supposedly because they had no utilities. YUP, no utilities!
LOL.
SEAJ
Yes its Bao Zu Lin = Pozolim!
And I just got further clarification; I just now found out that the LE were NOT checking the I'd's of the workers there. Instead, they were checking the I'd's of the CUSTOMERS there!
Can you believe this?
And last night's closure of the place was supposedly because they had no utilities. YUP, no utilities!
LOL.
SEAJAnd this is why you always bring a copy of your passport with you. Bao Zu Lin is definitely my favorite veggie place, GREAT food for the price too.
SE Asia Joe
04-16-11, 06:41
Oaky, now this is REALLY going TOO FAR!
The last bastion of serenity with great looking girls. Gets raided, the world has gone crazy. I am sure this has NOTHING to do with the Canton fair kicking off and the fact that a new place is opening upstairs!
Is somebody sending a warning shot? The owner of this new place is also the owner of the Legend Cafe on SWL Road, a Hong Kong guy. So I don't really buy the speculation that the raid had something to do with him. New guys in town usually just will not cause such "ripples". Especially in CP! Will not have a beneficial effect on one's health!
So I still think this whole episode is just the Keystone cops at work!
SEAJ
The owner of this new place is also the owner of the Legend Cafe on SWL Road, a Hong Kong guy. So I don't really buy the speculation that the raid had something to do with him. New guys in town usually just will not cause such "ripples". Especially in CP! Will not have a beneficial effect on one's health!
So I still think this whole episode is just the Keystone cops at work!
SEAJJoe,
I was just speculating, not really making a statement. I do find it curious that they were checking documents of the patrons. With the fair starting there will be lot of "guests" from foreign lands in town for the next few weeks. I guess,"Ours is not to reason why?" Now I can't get that theme song from the Keystone Cops out of my head. Maybe it just shows how old I am that I even know who they are!
California8
04-16-11, 20:43
Oh no. He'd be the Biggest Swinging Dick ever in CP. Could you imagine how much he'd ruin the market if he went mongering? And apparently he does possess a BSD. One of the skank hoes that he was banging in the USA told a newspaper that he had the biggest schlong she'd ever seen."if he went mongering". I do not think he would be able to keep it in his pants. I am assuming he pays a lot just to keep everything quiet but then he does have a preference for blondes.
Fast Eddie 48
04-18-11, 13:49
Yes its Bao Zu Lin = Pozolim! Pozolim is the English name for the place and in Putonghua, it does sound more like Bao Zu Lin. Actually, in Cantonese, it sounds more like Po Chuk LamTo SEAJ.
I was there a few day ago they are busy with the damn high price they charge, they should able
To paid their Ultities bill, I am at Jarkata now your old hang out just return from Hotel travel did a.
Tall indo model white skin BJ queen for only 300 k rp.
Fast Eddie 48
Stayed in CP for three nights recently. First night met bsd in fuhao. Picked a girl of my choice and shared the KTV room with other guests of bsd. Paid 360 as my share for beer. Bsd offered me to book a room for 360 rmb, as all other rooms in CP are full that time he told. I refused politely and got a room myself in the same hotel for 250 rmb, called the same gal over ph. To my room and had a nice time.
Second night went to plutocrate sauna myself, had a nice time in 550 rmb all including with breakfast.
Next day a friend of mine sameer who lives in shenzhen gave me no. Of this guy ken. Ken has a travel agency and works as a guide to ktvs saunas, bbs and in call services. He has his office in the ground floor of marriot hotel, next to virzin, is surrounded by beautiful assistants and is a very nice, polite, and really helpful guy. His assistant first took me to some bbs areas, than he took me with him to the sauna model prade at huimui. In the evening we went to oyela KTV with some other friends. I had an excellent time with some other friends of ken & a gal named xiao which I picked in 3/5/8 range. Room charge share for me with beers was only 250. Ken booked a room rear virzin for 150 rmb only. Took the gal to dinner, had a great GFE exp, than back to room. Thanks ken and his bful assistant for their cooperation. I highly recommend his services for new comers as well as old mongers. He even saved me money for my shuttle car booking to hongkong. A no greedy guy. His contact available through pm to the members.
Stayed in CP for three nights recently. First night met bsd in fuhao. Picked a girl of my choice and shared the KTV room with other guests of bsd. Paid 360 as my share for beer. Bsd offered me to book a room for 360 rmb, as all other rooms in CP are full that time he told. I refused politely and got a room myself in the same hotel for 250 rmb, called the same gal over ph. To my room and had a nice time.
Second night went to plutocrate sauna myself, had a nice time in 550 rmb all including with breakfast.
Next day a friend of mine sameer who lives in shenzhen gave me no. Of this guy ken. Ken has a travel agency and works as a guide to ktvs saunas, bbs and in call services. He has his office in the ground floor of marriot hotel, next to virzin, is surrounded by beautiful assistants and is a very nice, polite, and really helpful guy. His assistant first took me to some bbs areas, than he took me with him to the sauna model prade at huimui. In the evening we went to oyela KTV with some other friends. I had an excellent time with some other friends of ken & a gal named xiao which I picked in 3/5/8 range. Room charge share for me with beers was only 250. Ken booked a room rear virzin for 150 rmb only. Took the gal to dinner, had a great GFE exp, than back to room. Thanks ken and his bful assistant for their cooperation. I highly recommend his services for new comers as well as old mongers. He even saved me money for my shuttle car booking to hongkong. A no greedy guy. His contact available through pm to the members. I think we are comparing apples to oranges here.
There are cheaper hotels in CP but they are either low quality or in an inconvenient location. Most of Dave's customers are looking for good quality rooms in convenient locations, so he doesn't bother recommending the cheaper hotels. He does get a commission for booking a room and his fee is clearly posted in the advertising section of this forum. The fee is modest.
Dave's (BSD) KTV parties are generally geared to english speakers, who naturally prefer to party together. They are usually in better rooms and there is more beer. The other operators usually provide a few jugs of white liquor or diluted cheap red wine. Dave stays at the party and helps keep the party alive, helps his customers pick the right girls, translates, texts customers info, his them with any additional problem's, etc. I think his customers do not mind paying a little more for the better party and the better service.
May be you dint read my report where I wrote that I was told that there is no room available at that particular time in CP less than 360 and I got the room with bf in the same plutocrate where we were partying in 250. Now, not going too much into it. If you feel its comparison between apples and oranges, than am too happy with oranges. Am not here to argue about this, have nothing against anyone. So all the best to apple lovers.
I think we are comparing apples to oranges here.
There are cheaper hotels in CP but they are either low quality or in an inconvenient location. Most of Dave's customers are looking for good quality rooms in convenient locations, so he doesn't bother recommending the cheaper hotels. He does get a commission for booking a room and his fee is clearly posted in the advertising section of this forum. The fee is modest.
Dave's (BSD) KTV parties are generally geared to english speakers, who naturally prefer to party together. They are usually in better rooms and there is more beer. The other operators usually provide a few jugs of white liquor or diluted cheap red wine. Dave stays at the party and helps keep the party alive, helps his customers pick the right girls, translates, texts customers info, his them with any additional problem's, etc. I think his customers do not mind paying a little more for the better party and the better service.
Jettsetter
04-20-11, 03:09
And this is why you always bring a copy of your passport with you. Bao Zu Lin is definitely my favorite veggie place, GREAT food for the price too.I disagree, I don't carry my passport anywhere with me. I carry a picture of my passport, I. E. On my iphone, but I've been coming for over 10 years, never carried my passport around. The only issue I've ever had was trying to pay a bill with a credit card at california red and them stating I needed my passport to prove I'd.
Shopping at Shenzhen malls. You require the same thing.
But in terms of "safety" I wouldn't bring my passport. That's my opinion, but others may have other wise tidbits which may change my mind. I Keep my passport at home as I don't want to get mugged or robbed to have that being used as an item of blackmail. Less they know about me the better. If the cops really want the hassle, they can take me back to my apartment / hotel to get it.
Just my POV.
-Jett
But in terms of "safety" I wouldn't bring my passport. That's my opinion, but others may have other wise tidbits which may change my mind. I Keep my passport at home as I don't want to get mugged or robbed to have that being used as an item of blackmail. Less they know about me the better. If the cops really want the hassle, they can take me back to my apartment / hotel to get it.
Just my POV.
-JettI also used to carry a copy of my passport as a "just in case", and also to show when I used a credit card. Last year I got one of the "new" passport cards issued by the Dept of State. It is an "official" document that looks like a national ID card carried by many people in their home countries. It has been accepted without question when I have used it here, with the exception of one hotel. Obviously you can't put a visa on an ID card and they wanted to see my entry visa, but in the end they accepted the card. I like it because I can lock up my passport, but still have an official I'd document in case I need to use it. Losing one's passport here would be a hassle of large proportions I suspect.
Stayed in CP for three nights recently. First night met bsd in fuhao. Picked a girl of my choice and shared the KTV room with other guests of bsd. Paid 360 as my share for beer. Bsd offered me to book a room for 360 rmb, as all other rooms in CP are full that time he told. I refused politely and got a room myself in the same hotel for 250 rmb, called the same gal over ph. To my room and had a nice time.
Second night went to plutocrate sauna myself, had a nice time in 550 rmb all including with breakfast.
Next day a friend of mine sameer who lives in shenzhen gave me no. Of this guy ken. Ken has a travel agency and works as a guide to ktvs saunas, bbs and in call services. He has his office in the ground floor of marriot hotel, next to virzin, is surrounded by beautiful assistants and is a very nice, polite, and really helpful guy. His assistant first took me to some bbs areas, than he took me with him to the sauna model prade at huimui. In the evening we went to oyela KTV with some other friends. I had an excellent time with some other friends of ken & a gal named xiao which I picked in 3/5/8 range. Room charge share for me with beers was only 250. Ken booked a room rear virzin for 150 rmb only. Took the gal to dinner, had a great GFE exp, than back to room. Thanks ken and his bful assistant for their cooperation. I highly recommend his services for new comers as well as old mongers. He even saved me money for my shuttle car booking to hongkong. A no greedy guy. His contact available through pm to the members. MV2,
Congrats! You seem to be a very resourceful individual. To be able to get a 30% discount on a hotel in CP with no notice on a weekend night is quite an accomplishment. Glad you found someone that meets your needs for help in CP, but didn't understand the "no greedy guy" comment. Can you tell a little more about the oyeta KTV you went to? I am not familiar with that one. Didn't know the sauna at Fu Hao served breakfast. Have to check that out as well. Sounds like a all around interesting visit.
Loveasiangirls
04-20-11, 03:37
I also used to carry a copy of my passport as a "just in case", and also to show when I used a credit card. Last year I got one of the "new" passport cards issued by the Dept of State. It is an "official" document that looks like a national I'd card carried by many people in their home countries and so far has been accepted without question when I have used it here, with the exception of one hotel. Obviously you can't put a visa on an I'd card and they wanted to see my entry visa, but in the end they accepted the card. I like it because I can lock up my passport, but still have an official I'd document in case I need to use it. Losing one's passport here would be a hassle of large proportions I suspect.How can you check in a hotel without a passport? You mean you travel to China with no passport?
In any case the law says that you should have your passport at all time. That's the law, what you actually do is your business at your risks.
I think that losing my wallet would be a bigger hassle. I think that thieves care mostly about my money. No money and no credit card in a foreign country, that would be a pain! But despite this, I still take it with me every time I go out.
How can you check in a hotel without a passport? You mean you travel to China with no passport?
In any case the law says that you should have your passport at all time. That's the law, what you actually do is your business at your risks.
I think that losing my wallet would be a bigger hassle. I think that thieves care mostly about my money. No money and no credit card in a foreign country, that would be a pain! But despite this, I still take it with me every time I go out. The passport card is actually an official passport, but cannot be used for air travel. Of course I don't travel without my "regular passport", but I don't carry it on the street. If I where to be asked for my I'd by an official on the street, I would produce my passport card and if that didn't satisfy them I could always take them back to my hotel and produce the one with my entry visa. I think it would be much easier to cancel / replace a lost credit card than get a replacement passport and visa, but I don't want to try either! Don't underestimate the street value of a "real" passport, it is worth a LOT of money to some.
Big Swingin Dave
04-20-11, 04:32
Bsd offered me to book a room for 360 rmb, as all other rooms in CP are full that time he told. I refused politely and got a room myself in the same hotel for 250 rmb, called the same gal over ph. To my room and had a nice time.The sauna rooms at Fuhao is based on availability. If they are available then it is 352 for overnight stay before 11:30pm and 250 after 11:30pm. This is a good option as it is hard to find rooms in the weekend and it is also convenient if you are partying at Fuhao with no advance reservation.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
04-20-11, 04:38
The prices are continuing to go up for the WGs at the KTVs. Establishments are afraid that their girls will go to other KTVs that are offering higher prices for their services so it is a domino affect and Fuhao as of this week has changed it's pricing structure. This place however is still only a handful of places still offering 2-5-8 girls but they have a new class of girls at 3-6-9 (braless blue / white uniforms) and the models are now 3-7-11 which is a total joke as most of the model girls come from their 2-5-8 category. I saw a familiar face a couple nights ago and can't believe she is a model girl as with high heels, she stand only near my ear but I am not that tall at 1. 72m.
I suspect that the 2-5-8 category girls will be gone by the end of the year so enjoy it while it last.
BSD
I've been to Changping many times, and I know to avoid the fake taxis and those without meters. I normally only use the yellow cabs as they are fair and reliable.
However when I arrived today at the Dongguan train station there wasn't a yellow cab in sight. So, against my better judgment, I picked one of the blue-green taxis.
I was going to Gaobu and showed the driver my hotel card. He nodded that he knew where it was and we were off – in an easterly direction! Gaobu is northwest of Dongguan. He did a lot of twists and turns and we ended up on an express way.
Now it normally takes 45 minutes and the fare is 150 RMB to Gaobu Town. This guy was taking off-ramps and on-ramps and going by Houjie and other cities I've never been to. I didn't recognize any of the scenery and after an hour had passed I told him to stop so I could talk to a police officer. He pointed ahead like it was just around the corner. This went on for another half hour. I finally insisted he stop. But, by this time Gaobu was in sight.
When we arrived at the hotel he pointed to the meter – 600 RMB! I made sure I got all my luggage out of the taxi and asked the hotel staff for help. They agreed on the time and fare, so I let them do the arguing. I was perfectly ready to call a cop.
In the end I got off with 200 RMB.
Apparently he thought I was a newbie to the area and could get away with taking the very long way around.
So, beware of the taxi scams!
Thanks for your comments dear. I hope you understand that an international businessman, who buys from atleast six countries outside his nation, is no fool that he can't make difference between apples and oranges. [ha ha ] now, the name of KTV was may be oeya. Or something and am 100% sure that it was much better in terms of quality of rooms as well as the gals. By no greedy guy I only mean that this guy ken dint demanded any thing from me. He made everything clear in the begining itself. For bbs, he asked 50 rmb only if I select a gal, otherwise 10 rmb for convenience. For KTV he dint asked anything from me. He booked me a bus to hongkong in 160 rmb for which I paid 200, when I came to CP from hongkong. He booked me a room for 150, again nothing asked. He told me he will book room in virgin for 250 rmb, but I stayed at sauna that night. He treated me very carefully as am his old time customer. His female assistant handled the KTV session, with great care and was a very sweet young gal to be with. He dint shared the room / drinks with the guests, & dint even touched the gals in the room. In all I found him very nice and honest person and I don't think its wrong on my part to praise this kind of person in this forum so that other members can also take his services if they wish. Its just personal opinion, not compare or neither against any particular individual. And you will agree that competition is always better for the consumer. Cheers.
Congrats! You seem to be a very resourceful individual. To be able to get a 30% discount on a hotel in CP with no notice on a weekend night is quite an accomplishment. Glad you found someone that meets your needs for help in CP, but didn't understand the "no greedy guy" comment. Can you tell a little more about the oyeta KTV you went to? I am not familiar with that one. Didn't know the sauna at Fu Hao served breakfast. Have to check that out as well. Sounds like a all around interesting visit. [/QUOTE]
Member #4144
04-20-11, 15:32
The prices are continuing to go up for the WGs at the KTVs. Establishments are afraid that their girls will go to other KTVs that are offering higher prices for their services so it is a domino affect and Fuhao as of this week has changed it's pricing structure. This place however is still only a handful of places still offering 2-5-8 girls but they have a new class of girls at 3-6-9 (braless blue / white uniforms) and the models are now 3-7-11 which is a total joke as most of the model girls come from their 2-5-8 category. I saw a familiar face a couple nights ago and can't believe she is a model girl as with high heels, she stand only near my ear but I am not that tall at 1. 72m.
I suspect that the 2-5-8 category girls will be gone by the end of the year so enjoy it while it last.
BSDThanks for the head up, dave. Are these new 369 girls prettier then other 258? Wondering if people will be willing to pay 100 more just because she is not wearing a bra.
Fillmore
Bob Builder
04-20-11, 16:24
I've been to Changping many times, and I know to avoid the fake taxis and those without meters. I normally only use the yellow cabs as they are fair and reliable.
However when I arrived today at the Dongguan train station there wasn't a yellow cab in sight. So, against my better judgment, I picked one of the blue-green taxis.
I was going to Gaobu and showed the driver my hotel card. He nodded that he knew where it was and we were off – in an easterly direction! Gaobu is northwest of Dongguan. He did a lot of twists and turns and we ended up on an express way.
Now it normally takes 45 minutes and the fare is 150 RMB to Gaobu Town. This guy was taking off-ramps and on-ramps and going by Houjie and other cities I've never been to. I didn't recognize any of the scenery and after an hour had passed I told him to stop so I could talk to a police officer. He pointed ahead like it was just around the corner. This went on for another half hour. I finally insisted he stop. But, by this time Gaobu was in sight.
When we arrived at the hotel he pointed to the meter – 600 RMB! I made sure I got all my luggage out of the taxi and asked the hotel staff for help. They agreed on the time and fare, so I let them do the arguing. I was perfectly ready to call a cop.
In the end I got off with 200 RMB.
Apparently he thought I was a newbie to the area and could get away with taking the very long way around.
So, beware of the taxi scams! I never have trouble with those taxis. On long trips, you negotiate and agree on the price before you get in the taxi and you don't get the hassle and scenic route.
Member #4144
04-20-11, 20:23
... He booked me a bus to hongkong in 160 rmb for which I paid 200, when I came to CP from hongkong. ...Can this Ken guy arrange for transport from HK airport to Luo Hu or to CP? I don't take those 7 person van to CP as it can get crowded and thus very uncomfortable. I ended up taking those van to Huang Gang and then had to fight for taxi to Luo Hu as Shengzhen border sucks in terms of getting a taxi.
I wonder if there is a service that will take me from HK airport to CP with comfort, or maybe I can just buy more seats on those damn vans.
Fillmore
SE Asia Joe
04-21-11, 01:27
Can this Ken guy arrange for transport from HK airport to Luo Hu or to CP? I don't take those 7 person van to CP as it can get crowded and thus very uncomfortable. I ended up taking those van to Huang Gang and then had to fight for taxi to Luo Hu as Shengzhen border sucks in terms of getting a taxi.
I wonder if there is a service that will take me from HK airport to CP with comfort, or maybe I can just buy more seats on those damn vans.
FillmoreWhy not take the bus from HKIA direct to the Miraton?
Go to the Eternal East Bus counter at the airport and they'll fix you up. Those buses are usually quite empty.
As for the fare pointed out by Prince - could it be that you paid HK$200 inwards and RMB 160 outward - which is about the same?
SEAJ
Jettsetter
04-21-11, 02:10
How can you check in a hotel without a passport? You mean you travel to China with no passport?
In any case the law says that you should have your passport at all time. That's the law, what you actually do is your business at your risks.
I think that losing my wallet would be a bigger hassle. I think that thieves care mostly about my money. No money and no credit card in a foreign country, that would be a pain! But despite this, I still take it with me every time I go out. You can do whatever you want, but it's also the law not to jaywalk, follow traffic safety and laws, not engage in prostitution, tell the local authorities whenever you enter their district, etc. Etc. Etc.
But what you do as the "smart" thing and safe thing is usually very different. Like I said, I don't think it's smart to carry around a passport in CP. Not sure what the reason would be to do so here. Cops here don't hassle with foreigners. If you have a true issue, I'm sure getting your passport would be no problem if there was some "official" reason.
The downside is way more problematic. I. E. Kidnapping, robbery, etc. The hassle of not having it if you were to get robbed. I mean if someone says empty your pockets, and you lose your cc and your cash, fine. But losing your passport would require you to go to Guangzhou on an emergency, to get it back, and having to prove your identity here would be a hassle.
I don't touch my passport, and leave it safely at home. The few times I've needed it, I figured out a way around it (usually as support for a credit card). Obviously to check into a hotel (but right after, it goes in the safe or somewhere safe).
-Jett
Jettsetter
04-21-11, 02:20
Thanks for your comments dear. I hope you understand that an international businessman, who buys from atleast six countries outside his nation, is no fool that he can't make difference between apples and oranges. [ha ha ] now, the name of KTV was may be oeya. Or something and am 100% sure that it was much better in terms of quality of rooms as well as the gals. By no greedy guy I only mean that this guy ken dint demanded any thing from me. He made everything clear in the begining itself. For bbs, he asked 50 rmb only if I select a gal, otherwise 10 rmb for convenience. For KTV he dint asked anything from me. He booked me a bus to hongkong in 160 rmb for which I paid 200, when I came to CP from hongkong. He booked me a room for 150, again nothing asked. He told me he will book room in virgin for 250 rmb, but I stayed at sauna that night. He treated me very carefully as am his old time customer. His female assistant handled the KTV session, with great care and was a very sweet young gal to be with. He dint shared the room / drinks with the guests, & dint even touched the gals in the room. In all I found him very nice and honest person and I don't think its wrong on my part to praise this kind of person in this forum so that other members can also take his services if they wish. Its just personal opinion, not compare or neither against any particular individual. And you will agree that competition is always better for the consumer. Cheers.
Congrats! You seem to be a very resourceful individual. To be able to get a 30% discount on a hotel in CP with no notice on a weekend night is quite an accomplishment. Glad you found someone that meets your needs for help in CP, but didn't understand the "no greedy guy" comment. Can you tell a little more about the oyeta KTV you went to? I am not familiar with that one. Didn't know the sauna at Fu Hao served breakfast. Have to check that out as well. Sounds like a all around interesting visit. [/QUOTE]Why would you pay 200 for a bus you can get for 160? A 40 rmb surcharge to buy a ticket you can eaily walk over to buy on your own seems a bit odd to me. I can understand paying for services regarding a BBS gal. So does that mean you pay him the 50 and still have to pay the house fee of 250 for the girl? So you're paying 300 now?
Seems like this surcharge for everything doesn't seem that straight forward. I mean yah, you said he doesn't want anything from the KTV or drink, but what does that mean in terms of your KTV experience? Are yo ustuck in a room full of Chinese speaking guys with nobody to talk to you?
If that's the case, why even go to a KTV?
Anyways. To each his own I guess. But this doesn't sound like such a great deal my friend.
Remember guys it's not just about the penny saved or spent here. The experience is what it's all about here. I mean paying a few extra duckets here and there and saving here and there when in the end, it all doesn't make much of a difference in price but makes a difference in experience is costly for those with limited vacation time.
Prince, it's always good to know options though. Thanks for sharing.
My advice, go buy your own bus ticket. Go with friends to a BBS. Party wherever you feel most comfortable.
-Jett
Jettsetter
04-21-11, 02:28
Can this Ken guy arrange for transport from HK airport to Luo Hu or to CP? I don't take those 7 person van to CP as it can get crowded and thus very uncomfortable. I ended up taking those van to Huang Gang and then had to fight for taxi to Luo Hu as Shengzhen border sucks in terms of getting a taxi.
I wonder if there is a service that will take me from HK airport to CP with comfort, or maybe I can just buy more seats on those damn vans.
FillmoreSure you could pay for two seats, even three if you wanted the room. I guess it depends on how packed the van gets. Either that or race to get the front seat. That way you're covered.
The other option is to rent the entire van to CP. Cost is about 1200 RMB.
-Jett
Seems like this surcharge for everything doesn't seem that straight forward. I mean yah, you said he doesn't want anything from the KTV or drink, but what does that mean in terms of your KTV experience? Are yo ustuck in a room full of Chinese speaking guys with nobody to talk to you?
If that's the case, why even go to a KTV?
Have I ever said in my report that there was no one to talk with me in KTV room or there was no one to speak english with me? [ha ha] why will I praise if am not happy or not satisfied. So please don't make lines yourself. Also you dint understood my point regarding bus fees and 50 rmb charges because I dint paid and neither he asked for anything for his services. Regards.
Why would you pay 200 for a bus you can get for 160? A 40 rmb surcharge to buy a ticket you can eaily walk over to buy on your own seems a bit odd to me. I can understand paying for services regarding a BBS gal. So does that mean you pay him the 50 and still have to pay the house fee of 250 for the girl? So you're paying 300 now?
Seems like this surcharge for everything doesn't seem that straight forward. I mean yah, you said he doesn't want anything from the KTV or drink, but what does that mean in terms of your KTV experience? Are yo ustuck in a room full of Chinese speaking guys with nobody to talk to you?
If that's the case, why even go to a KTV?
Anyways. To each his own I guess. But this doesn't sound like such a great deal my friend.
Remember guys it's not just about the penny saved or spent here. The experience is what it's all about here. I mean paying a few extra duckets here and there and saving here and there when in the end, it all doesn't make much of a difference in price but makes a difference in experience is costly for those with limited vacation time.
Prince, it's always good to know options though. Thanks for sharing.
My advice, go buy your own bus ticket. Go with friends to a BBS. Party wherever you feel most comfortable.
-Jett[/QUOTE]
The prices are continuing to go up for the WGs at the KTVs. Establishments are afraid that their girls will go to other KTVs that are offering higher prices for their services so it is a domino affect and Fuhao as of this week has changed it's pricing structure. This place however is still only a handful of places still offering 2-5-8 girls but they have a new class of girls at 3-6-9 (braless blue / white uniforms) and the models are now 3-7-11 which is a total joke as most of the model girls come from their 2-5-8 category. I saw a familiar face a couple nights ago and can't believe she is a model girl as with high heels, she stand only near my ear but I am not that tall at 1. 72m.
I suspect that the 2-5-8 category girls will be gone by the end of the year so enjoy it while it last.
BSDI was at Fu Hao with one of BSD's groups when we found out about the "new" category of girls. We had a first timer in our midst and I did my best to show him my tactics, not sure he grasped the concept, but it was fun watching his eyes light up. He made 3 trips around the flower street and then watched every model being introduced. Of course he wanted 4 different models, but they had all been reserved.
He then settled (happily I might add) for a 2-5-8 gal and one of the bare breasted (at least under her shirt) 3-6-9 girls. I found the red tag gal I had sat the last trip (she gave me a big hug and was very happy I found her again) and another 2-5-8 gal. We partied with a good group, most of whom I had met before. Decided to make it a special night, by ordering Chivas (FYI whiskey drives the price up in a hurry) , it was worth it. I miscalculated and the red tag gal got a little tipsy because she was losing at the dice games and I didn't catch it that we had made the drink a little strong.
One of the guys sat a girl that was in her second night, ever in KTV and it was apparent. He wasn't going to take her home, because while she was a lot of fun in the room, he didn't think she was "seasoned" enough to be fun in private. When he told her he wasn't going to take her home, she asked him,"Why, don't you like me?" Well I guess he gave her the real reason and she "promised" she would make him,"very happy"! If they way she was when we went for dinner after leaving the KTV, then he was in for a treat. I didn't get a report, but maybe he will post the results.
My "second" girl was a lot of fun and a good value at 500 ST.
There is one model at FH I really want to sit and see if she is any fun, maybe on the next visit.
All in all a good night, even for a Monday. I am trying to avoid the weekends, because with the fair in town, it becomes a real sausage fest. Although some of that is offset by the increased number of HOT girls.
Yep it is getting more expensive, but still a good value.
Member #4144
04-21-11, 14:46
Sure you could pay for two seats, even three if you wanted the room. I guess it depends on how packed the van gets. Either that or race to get the front seat. That way you're covered.
The other option is to rent the entire van to CP. Cost is about 1200 RMB.
-JettStill not so simple except paying for the whole van right? Racing for the front seat means longer wait for the van to get filled, and buying two seats will not work if both middle and 3rd row each has only one seat left. I have been stuck in the middle seat of a fully packed van for too many times that I really don't want to take them, and yet, there is no other good options from HK airport, damn.
Fillmore
Member #4144
04-21-11, 14:55
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There is one model at FH I really want to sit and see if she is any fun, maybe on the next visit. You guys had good fun, I also tried to avoid weekends but everytime I called BSD, I was never able to get into a party. So I wonder if there are insiders and outsiders at these BSD events that only people who know each others can join?
Anyway, I tried several models at FH and I found them less fun and not willing to provide service when taking home. Anyone had any luck with getting BBBJ from a model at FH?
Similarity with the blue tags. I have tried a few of them and also, they are in general much less willing to give BJ.
Fillmore
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