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AsnDragon

01-17-12, 06:42

Santa,

Your post must have been one of the more emotional posts that you have posted on this board for a long time.

I do concur with you that there is always a darker side to the story. Many girls do have some medical health issues. Many of them are uneducated and do not do regular check ups at the hospital because there is a mistrust of doctors in China. In addition, many of them want to save money and wait until it's too late to see a doctor.

Many of the girls all come from broken families. Many of the parents only view their daughters as ATM machines, calling them when they need money but giving them no sense of warmth or love. Instead the parents spend all of their time, effort and energy on their useless sons who end up as deadbeats at home waiting for good old sister to bring home the bacon to them. As a result of being unloved by their family, these girls turn to different destructive outlets to hide away from their family problems such as. Drugs, alcohol, and dating young deadbeat local guys.

The truth is, many people come to CP to find that missing emptiness inside of them. Guys come to satisfy their ego, their sexual desires or just to hide away from their own family problems as well. Everyone in CP puts out the best side of them to try to attract the opposite sex. But perhaps deep down inside everyone is CP is just trying to find someone to fill that emptiness inside of them. Whether some people call it love or infatuation, everyone has an empty void to fill. Everyone wants to warm body next to them at night and wake up to someone next to them in the morning to have breakfast together. Despite all of the superficial elements of mongering, there's still a human side to things in CP. Everyone wants to smile and seeing that smile on that girl next to you will only make you happier inside.

Santa- I know it may seem a bit gloomy for you, but know that despite all of the problems these girls face in life, at least being with you will temporarily make them happy and your financial donation to them will help them out at least a little bit during these hard times.

Cheer up my friend, CP is suppose to paint a smile on your face, not bring you down. For every kind gesture you give to these girls (which you have given tons over the years) might erase a bit of darkness from their past.

Happy Mongering.

AsnDragon.

Some of you want to know how it is in CP during the Cihnese New Year. I have been here before during CNY and there are still girls available, just a lot less than before. Many of the girls do not have enough money to go home. Others have nothing or no one to go home to. Some who do go home wish they hadn't and consequently do not go home the next year.

We tend to see the best side of things, hot girls happily making money by giving us pleasure. But there is a dark side we tend to ignore, or we are simply oblivious to. Many of these girls have troubles. Broken homes, abusive fathers or boyfriends, medical problems, no money, poor education and not attractive. In CP being a good looker is everything for a girl and they spend a lot of time and money trying to look good. Unfortunately, most of us and them are not models. Some girls are attractive for a while but then the flower loses its hue. For them, customers become harder to get and the realities of poverty and hard work sets in.

They can have medical problems too and no money to pay for good treatment.

None of the guys want to marry an older and now ugly worn out working girl. Life can be hard. This is supposed to be a happy time of year, but for some it is the opposite.

AsnDragon

01-17-12, 07:01

I'm sure most of you already know this, but most if not many of the alcohol we drink in CP and in China in general is fake.

I don't know what kind of fake chemicals they put inside of their supposed red wine, white liquor (bai jiu) or beer but the after effects of drinking all of this fake alcohol is taking a toll on me- especially in bed. I find it quite strange, but every time I consume alcohol in the KTVs or in China in general it's hard for me to cum during my session. I don't know if other brothers have this type of effect on their body. It's happen to me on more than one occasion where I drink alcohol, I get a bit buzzed and as a result I am not able to cum. I first thought that this might be because of beer, so I switched to red wine and I had the same result, the inability to cum. Getting an erection is no problem, but I find myself doing it for a long time without the ability to release.

I thought that perhaps this is because of my old age- especially being in my 60's and all, but I went to other countries like HK, Taiwan, Singapore and even the USA, drank Tsingdao Beer and or red wine and I never have an issue or problem cumming at all. So I'm thinking that perhaps it has something to do with the alcohol in CP or in China?

There has been several raids on many illegal and counterfeit alcohol manufacturing operations within China peddling fake beer, wine and other types of liquors. I mean how do you explain how that oyster peddler stand outside across from Legend Cafe on Swan lake Road can sell their beer for so cheap? They sell beer cheaper than what you can buy at convenient stores and other retail outlets. Sometimes you have to stop and wonder what kind of stuff are we consuming in China? Refined gutter oil, fake beef, fake alcohol etc. It's so sad but I'm encountering more and more girls with fake boobs in CP now as well.

Sigh* I hope that this is not just an issue that only I have an problem with.

AsnDragon

SE Asia Joe

01-17-12, 07:09

Santa,

Your post must have been one of the more emotional posts that you have posted on this board for a long time.Musta been that last gal you fell in love and got all heart-broken about. All within the space of a couple hours. That did this to you!

Think about it, what with most of us staying away for the CNY, you've now got the whole chicken coop pretty well to yourself and you can go all "Knight-In-Shining-Armour" to all these poor li'l dears! And you ain't going to have me around to give you a hard time / content with! That peace of mind must be at least worth sumthing!

Don't get so poignant just because Christmas is over. Still go Ho Ho Ho callin' out all 'them Ho's!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

01-17-12, 07:11

Euroboy,

You careful as many seasoned WG have mastered the art of cheating in liars dice. Think about it, if you did this as a living every day for a year, I'm sure you will form or learn some sort of tactic to win in this game right?

Some of the tricks that I have seen the girls do is, when they shake their dice and open it to take a look inside, they use their thumb to flip the dice inside of the cup. Their thumb is away from your view so they are able to flip one of two dice to give them a better hand. If it's two girls that are truly really good friends, they also form different types of hand, facial gestures to signal to each other what kind of hands they have. Their goal is to get you drunk not to get drunk themselves. In fact many of the girls drink so much they are scared of drinking. If they can get away from drinking they will do anything in their powers, including cheating in those dice games.

Getting their customers drunk quick has some of it's advantages.

1. Customers having beer goggles could help their chances of being picked to go out for additional money.

2. If you are drunk, you usually want to go home earlier so if the girl is not picked they can do and sit another customer and earn extra sitting fee that same night.

3. Sometimes if you are too drunk and you take the girl home you are too tired to get a pop out that evening and you do them in the morning instead. This will allow the girls to get away with only doing one pop and still getting the overnight fee.

Regardless of their motives, most girls that have been working for a while all have their own tactics in winning. So don't be all surprised if you lose the shirt off your back, in your case it's the literal sense of the phrase.

AsnDragon.

Hi bigboobman,

I vote pro for the stripping.

Tried yesterday in Amazon but kept loosing from my gal so I was the only one stripping and that was not my idea of having fun.

Decided to stop the game before I lost my pants. Think they cheated.

Euroboy

SE Asia Joe

01-17-12, 07:14

I'm sure most of you already know this, but most if not many of the alcohol we drink in CP and in China in general is fake.

I find it quite strange, but every time I consume alcohol in the KTVs or in China in general it's hard for me to cum during my session. I don't know if other brothers have this type of effect on their body. It's happen to me on more than one occasion where I drink alcohol, I get a bit buzzed and as a result I am not able to cum. I first thought that this might be because of beer, so I switched to red wine and I had the same result, the inability to cum. Getting an erection is no problem, but I find myself doing it for a long time without the ability to release.

AsnDragonI've read that Vit V and C have the same effects as you've described and that alcohol consumption makes this problem all the more acute.

Only thing that don't fit is the fact that you don't seem to be experiencing the same effects when not in China. Hmmmm!

SEAJ

Mit Fo Lfe

01-17-12, 07:23

I've read that Vit V and C have the same effects as you've described and that alcohol consumption makes this problem all the more acute.

Only thing that don't fit is the fact that you don't seem to be experiencing the same effects when not in China. Hmmmm!

SEAJI think it's more that he's doing so many chicks that he gets desensitized.

AsnDragon

01-17-12, 09:22

AsnDragon

01-17-12, 09:35

SEAJoe,

I'm beginning to think that the Vit C and Vit V in China all appears to just be some placebo effect. I've taken Vit C just out of plain curiosity and I found that it didn't really do much for me. It's either the Vit C I took was just a watered down version of the real thing or something else. I didn't feel any effect for the whole entire day. To clarify, I still had the same outcome as usual. 1-2 pops a day as I had before I took Vit C, but it wasn't something that would keep you extraordinarily hard for long stretches many more times a day. I thought that perhaps it was the fake Vit C, but I got it from a trusted source. So I don't think it could be fake.

Perhaps I'm eating something else that is cancelling the intended effect?

What's kind of strange is if I have feelings for the girl or I connect on an emotional level, I tend to cum quicker, even if she's not a beautiful girl. Whereas, sometimes I can have those most beautiful girl in bed, but if I cannot connect with her, it's so hard to cum.

Uh oh, am I becoming a helpless romantic like you and Santa now?

AsnDragon.

I've read that Vit V and C have the same effects as you've described and that alcohol consumption makes this problem all the more acute.

Only thing that don't fit is the fact that you don't seem to be experiencing the same effects when not in China. Hmmmm!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

01-17-12, 11:08

SEAJoe,

I thought that perhaps it was the fake Vit C, but I got it from a trusted source. So I don't think it could be fake.

Perhaps I'm eating something else that is cancelling the intended effect?

What's kind of strange is if I have feelings for the girl or I connect on an emotional level, I tend to cum quicker, even if she's not a beautiful girl. Whereas, sometimes I can have those most beautiful girl in bed, but if I cannot connect with her, it's so hard to cum.

Uh oh, am I becoming a helpless romantic like you and Santa now?

AsnDragon.AHHHHHAAA!

I've got your diagnosis down pat now that I read this post PLUS others you've recently posted, it's all about FAKES!

- Fake Booze.

- Fake erectile dysfunction drugs.

- Fake emotions / love / falling in love etc.

- Fake sob stories told by gals.

- Fake boobs.

- Fake personae of guys in Chang Ping.

- Fake pick-up lines in Lan Kwai Fong.

- Fake food, oil, condiments etc.

- Fake getting drunk by girls.

- Fake dice in liar's dice.

- Fake age.

Good God Man. You're down with Fakercitis!

The only cure? Whip it out and start ministrations by Ole Lady Thumb and her four daughters; The ONLY non-fake and genuinely loving feelings one ALWAYS get!

SEAJ

Member #4144

01-17-12, 18:01

MitFOLife,

I thought that it's because when we come to CP we are all on this sex binge, where we come and do anything and everything that moves. So before I thought I thought the same way as you did. So I put it to the test. I was in Hong Kong for some prior engagements there and spent about 3 days there straight. I had sex in the afternoon, and then I went drinking at lan kuai fang, and I brought a girl back and still had sex and I was able to come. I did this three days in a row with no problems. However, four days prior I was in CP and after going out to the KTVs and drinking I had a tough time cumming that very same night. If anything I had a whole lot more to drink in HK than I did at the KTV drinking beer.

So I don't know what seems to be the issue. Perhaps it's the beer or perhaps I'm just getting old?

Has anyone else had these strange side effects? I know that out of all the beer out there in the CP KTVs, Fuhao and Mayflower seems to be the most fake. Manhattan KTV appears to be the most real in terms of beer. Red Wine all around just tastes plain artificial, even after mixing with 7-up.

AsnDragon.AsnDragon, I really don't understand it, why do you need to cum? I would do anything to hold on so I don't need to cum. God, if you have trouble with that, I really would love to know how. Maybe it is the difference between an Asian man like myself and you guys? I found that I enjoy sex pretty much the same when it ends with exhaustion, or with a climax. Nowadays I keep two girls and I have sex with one of them in the afternoon and with another at night. Each time, the whole thing last at least 1. 5 hour, sometimes two. If I let it out in the afternoon, then I found my night session would not be as enjoyable, despite the fact that Vit C can maintain the eraction just fine, it is just that I wanted it less if I had already come earlier in the day.

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Also, I sometimes need to do it with them together, and I need to bring them both to multiple orgasms, so not coming is paramont, so what are you complainning? Maybe I keep regular girls and you keep having new ones so the sex is different. My girls always do post-intercourse-remove-condom-69, so I usually let her ride on me to let her have a few orgasms, then I pump her to bring her a few more, then we rest and remove the condom and do more passionate 69 and then repeat again. Man, I don't want it to stop because of a cum on my part.

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Everytime I come to China, I need to repeat the above for at least a week, every single day, and I am also an old man, so I guess if younger, and being not an asian man, then you guys can do it, let it out everytime, but I cannot and I will do anything not to let it happen.

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Fillmore

Bob Builder

01-17-12, 19:08

Some of you want to know how it is in CP during the Cihnese New Year. I have been here before during CNY and there are still girls available, just a lot less than before. Many of the girls do not have enough money to go home. Others have nothing or no one to go home to. Some who do go home wish they hadn't and consequently do not go home the next year.

We tend to see the best side of things, hot girls happily making money by giving us pleasure. But there is a dark side we tend to ignore, or we are simply oblivious to. Many of these girls have troubles. Broken homes, abusive fathers or boyfriends, medical problems, no money, poor education and not attractive. In CP being a good looker is everything for a girl and they spend a lot of time and money trying to look good. Unfortunately, most of us and them are not models. Some girls are attractive for a while but then the flower loses its hue. For them, customers become harder to get and the realities of poverty and hard work sets in.

They can have medical problems too and no money to pay for good treatment.

None of the guys want to marry an older and now ugly worn out working girl. Life can be hard. This is supposed to be a happy time of year, but for some it is the opposite.And without these problems they wouldn't be in CP for your enjoyment.

Santa

01-18-12, 05:32

And without these problems they wouldn't be in CP for your enjoyment.That's true, but we must also remember our humanity. We not only fuck 'them, We also like these girls. It's natural to feel some sympathy for their difficulties. I have my pleasure because of their situation, but also wish them a better life. I feel some sadness when I see a girl with troubles and misfortune. I'm sure you and the other guys feel the same way.

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 07:25

Doctor SEAJOE,

It seems that you have diagnosed my condition ever so accurately. What is the "cure" for "fakercitis"?

Perhaps I should follow all the other brothers on this board and try to find real and true love in CP. Perhaps that will cure everything. I mean if the love is true and real, I may be able to overcome all the fake stuff in my life right? Skip all the pretending and make belief that goes around in CP. Maybe. Just maybe I might find something "real" in CP soon.

AsnDragon.

AHHHHHAAA!

I've got your diagnosis down pat now that I read this post PLUS others you've recently posted, it's all about FAKES!

- Fake Booze.

- Fake erectile dysfunction drugs.

- Fake emotions / love / falling in love etc.

- Fake sob stories told by gals.

- Fake boobs.

- Fake personae of guys in Chang Ping.

- Fake pick-up lines in Lan Kwai Fong.

- Fake food, oil, condiments etc.

- Fake getting drunk by girls.

- Fake dice in liar's dice.

- Fake age.

Good God Man. You're down with Fakercitis!

The only cure? Whip it out and start ministrations by Ole Lady Thumb and her four daughters; The ONLY non-fake and genuinely loving feelings one ALWAYS get!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 07:33

Fillmore,

The way you describe your days are scenes straight out of a porno movie. You said you "need to do it with them together" what does that mean? Are you saying that you have a threesome with the two girls that you keep as regulars?

Now, I was always under the impression that the goal of a man is to cum and orgasm. So I find it counterproductive and also frustrating when you pump a girl for 1 hour or more and you still cannot cum. I understand that by not cumming in the afternoon you will have no problem doing it again at night time, but I cannot go around all day with an erection or the feeling that you had sex with a girl and did not cum. That feeling has to be one of the most frustrating feelings ever! It's almost torture. So when you say that you like to do a girl and not cum, I don't see the pleasure in that at all. Or am I the only one who feels this way?

Now how in the heck do you get a girl to do post-intercourse remove-condom 69, then do her again, then remove condom and do another 69 and then repeat that again for 1. 5 hours or more? You would have to go through a family pack of condoms every session or day at that rate. In addition, I guess I'm not as good looking as you to be able to find girls that's willing to partake in this action EVERY DAY! Please do show me where these girls exist, because it seems that I've been going to the wrong places to find my girls. I am lucky to have a girl who will give me a BJ nowadays in CP, let alone passionate 69, then intercourse, then passionate 69 repeated throughout the night.

AsnDragon.

AsnDragon, I really don't understand it, why do you need to cum? I would do anything to hold on so I don't need to cum. God, if you have trouble with that, I really would love to know how. Maybe it is the difference between an Asian man like myself and you guys? I found that I enjoy sex pretty much the same when it ends with exhaustion, or with a climax. Nowadays I keep two girls and I have sex with one of them in the afternoon and with another at night. Each time, the whole thing last at least 1. 5 hour, sometimes two. If I let it out in the afternoon, then I found my night session would not be as enjoyable, despite the fact that Vit C can maintain the eraction just fine, it is just that I wanted it less if I had already come earlier in the day.

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Also, I sometimes need to do it with them together, and I need to bring them both to multiple orgasms, so not coming is paramont, so what are you complainning? Maybe I keep regular girls and you keep having new ones so the sex is different. My girls always do post-intercourse-remove-condom-69, so I usually let her ride on me to let her have a few orgasms, then I pump her to bring her a few more, then we rest and remove the condom and do more passionate 69 and then repeat again. Man, I don't want it to stop because of a cum on my part.

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Everytime I come to China, I need to repeat the above for at least a week, every single day, and I am also an old man, so I guess if younger, and being not an asian man, then you guys can do it, let it out everytime, but I cannot and I will do anything not to let it happen.

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Fillmore

SE Asia Joe

01-18-12, 07:48

Member #4144

01-18-12, 08:13

Fillmore,

The way you describe your days are scenes straight out of a porno movie. You said you "need to do it with them together" what does that mean? Are you saying that you have a threesome with the two girls that you keep as regulars?

Now, I was always under the impression that the goal of a man is to cum and orgasm. So I find it counterproductive and also frustrating when you pump a girl for 1 hour or more and you still cannot cum. I understand that by not cumming in the afternoon you will have no problem doing it again at night time, but I cannot go around all day with an erection or the feeling that you had sex with a girl and did not cum. That feeling has to be one of the most frustrating feelings ever! It's almost torture. So when you say that you like to do a girl and not cum, I don't see the pleasure in that at all. Or am I the only one who feels this way?

Now how in the heck do you get a girl to do post-intercourse remove-condom 69, then do her again, then remove condom and do another 69 and then repeat that again for 1. 5 hours or more? You would have to go through a family pack of condoms every session or day at that rate. In addition, I guess I'm not as good looking as you to be able to find girls that's willing to partake in this action EVERY DAY! Please do show me where these girls exist, because it seems that I've been going to the wrong places to find my girls. I am lucky to have a girl who will give me a BJ nowadays in CP, let alone passionate 69, then intercourse, then passionate 69 repeated throughout the night.

AsnDragon.Maybe being an asian guy has something to do with it. I know the ads for VC talks about erection lasting more then 4 hours, but for me. 2 hour is plenty and when I got too tired, either me or my girl, my erection will just go away naturally. I also do not take full dose, only 1/3 of a pill, every other day, maybe that helps too.

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As to where to find such girls, I think it can be anywhere, just a matter of different way of looking at this whole mongering thing. I look for love, I need my girl to love me and I love her back. It is easier with just one girl, but having two takes more effort. At first, when I asked them to do threesome and I started with one girl, the other girl didn't want to come in, but since the door was open, she heard everything so when I went out to ask her to come in, I saw her crying, told me she thought she was the only one who had that type of sex with me.

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Maybe I am just a hopeless romantic, but that is how I like it, after having done many girls, I found I enjoy it the most when I can bring a girl to cum, as many times as possible, while I need to preserve myself to repeat again day after day, during my precious short trip to China.

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Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 08:35

Ok SEAJ or SEAN the Sweet Swede or whatever you want to call yourself these days.

How can a young fellow like you even come close to understand what it feels like to be my age? The old days of wanting to give pleasure to the girl to boost up my ego has long gone out the window- I've thrown out that mentality back in the 1970's already. That shows you how old I am. You are right, as you get older you think to yourself "hey I'm freakin' paying for this" why should I give her all this pleasure? I mean back when I was your age, I would try to give the girl pleasure and actually work hard at trying to give the girl an orgasm. But sometimes, I would focus so much attention on turning her on that I end up losing out on my end. The girl enjoys it and cums and she's there lying in bed not wanting to partake in additional intercourse! What a bad deal for me!

Now SEAJ or SEAN the Swede Stud, I know it's hard for young guys like you listen to someone as old as me, but trust me! Enjoy it while it lasts, cause in the end the only thing you regret is that there aren't enough days in the year to cram all the things you want to do in life. So live it up young chap!

The outdated AsnDragon- Since it's the year of the dragon, this must be my 6th cycle around the 12 Chinese signs already. Wow time flies.

WOT?

As old as you are, I would have thought you'd see Filmore's reasoning and action easy to understand!

Now, I'm of course too young to know for certain, but doesn't the reasoning go that when one gets older, there comes a need to still prove oneself relevant?

That one is still able to give. As well as take. Pleasure from coitus?

Without getting cramps, aching bones or a heart attack?

It's only when one REALLY gets old that one come to figure out "Hey, I'm paying for this, why should I care if she comes or not? What's important is that I come and come good! Period!"

Maybe you've reached THAT old!

LMAO!

SEAN

(Hey you like this name better, certainly rolls off the tongue easier than SEAJ!

Somebody called me this name on another board and I like it! I really like it!

Call me Sean Sweet Swede!)

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 08:45

Fillmore St,

Oh my, you and Santa and SEAN (formerly AKA SEAJ) all belong in the same category of the helpless romantic group. You guys have to show me how you find these girls that "fall in love with you" and can cum and orgasm multiple times a session. Now I have 4 questions:

1. Are you sure the girls are not acting or do they actually have multiple orgasms?

2. Where do you find these girls? Where they or are they WG or are they civilians?

3. In terms of their looks how would you rate them on a scale of 1-10? It's hard to find hot looking girls that will fall in love with you, or anyone in general, unless you are a really good looking and rich guy.

4. Do these girls know each other? And now that they partake in a threesome, are the close or do the girls become competitive striving for more of your attention?

Yes, I think I fall into the helpless romantic category as well. It does feel a lot better and nicer when you have sex with a girl you connect with. Now what I say connect with, I use this word as in being compatible with. I have never gotten a girl to "love" me in CP yet. Perhaps cause I'm a bit too old to really have a young girl in CP fall head over heels for.

But if you don't mind could you give me some tips and share with us poor lonely souls who don't have as good of a fortune as you, how to find "true love" in the complex and deceitful world of CP?

AsnDragon.

Maybe being an asian guy has something to do with it. I know the ads for VC talks about erection lasting more then 4 hours, but for me. 2 hour is plenty and when I got too tired, either me or my girl, my erection will just go away naturally. I also do not take full dose, only 1/3 of a pill, every other day, maybe that helps too.

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As to where to find such girls, I think it can be anywhere, just a matter of different way of looking at this whole mongering thing. I look for love, I need my girl to love me and I love her back. It is easier with just one girl, but having two takes more effort. At first, when I asked them to do threesome and I started with one girl, the other girl didn't want to come in, but since the door was open, she heard everything so when I went out to ask her to come in, I saw her crying, told me she thought she was the only one who had that type of sex with me.

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Maybe I am just a hopeless romantic, but that is how I like it, after having done many girls, I found I enjoy it the most when I can bring a girl to cum, as many times as possible, while I need to preserve myself to repeat again day after day, during my precious short trip to China.

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Fillmore

SE Asia Joe

01-18-12, 11:26

Fillmore St,

Oh my, you and Santa and SEAN (formerly AKA SEAJ) all belong in the same category of the helpless romantic group. You guys have to show me how you find these girls that "fall in love with you" and can cum and orgasm multiple times a session. Now I have 4 questions:

1. Are you sure the girls are not acting or do they actually have multiple orgasms?

2. Where do you find these girls? Where they or are they WG or are they civilians?

3. In terms of their looks how would you rate them on a scale of 1-10? It's hard to find hot looking girls that will fall in love with you, or anyone in general, unless you are a really good looking and rich guy.

4. Do these girls know each other? And now that they partake in a threesome, are the close or do the girls become competitive striving for more of your attention?

Yes, I think I fall into the helpless romantic category as well. It does feel a lot better and nicer when you have sex with a girl you connect with. Now what I say connect with, I use this word as in being compatible with. I have never gotten a girl to "love" me in CP yet. Perhaps cause I'm a bit too old to really have a young girl in CP fall head over heels for.

But if you don't mind could you give me some tips and share with us poor lonely souls who don't have as good of a fortune as you, how to find "true love" in the complex and deceitful world of CP?

AsnDragon.Awww. Come on Dragon. Surely you remember how it WAS when you were young?

I mean ALL the girls love 29 YO Blond haired 6'2" 190 lbs buffed up guys, so its impossible that you'd NOT had a CP gal fall madly and totally in love with you.

As to your questions:

1 / Of COURSE they all come multiple times. Same as I can screw at least 10 times a day! I mean, I counted the last time, One. Two. Three. Four. Heck I even think I went AT least 20 times!

2 / Find these gals? Why would you need to find 'them? They just usually and naturally find you don't they?

3 / I'm neither good looking nor rich. But EACH and EVERYONE of my true loves are genuine 10"s. You or anybody here going to tell me any different? Genuine 10's I'm telling ya!

4 / Well this one I'm going to have to defer to Filmore as I just really don't got what it takes to have two gals madly in love with me and both servicin' me at the same time. I sorta still like my balls and wud hate to loose even one of 'them!

SEAN.

SEAJ.

CJ.

SEAN SWEET SWEDE.

I'm an SSS!

Member #4144

01-18-12, 12:18

4 / Well this one I'm going to have to defer to Filmore as I just really don't got what it takes to have two gals madly in love with me and both servicin' me at the same time. I sorta still like my balls and wud hate to loose even one of 'them!Thanks a lot SE Asia Joe, you are making it easy for me to answer just one question. The threesome was something new that they wanted to give it a try, after they both become really good in bad. After a couple of times, we decided it is still better to just stick with one in the afternoon and one at night, and I agreed with them, hahaha, I am not a young man like SE Asia Joe anymore.

Yes, at first they cannot accept the other, as I wrote earlier, crying after hearing what I did with the other. No, they didn't know each other before, in fact, if they were friends, it won't work at all, as that means they share a common social network and they certainly have a lot of trouble explaining to their friends that they both share a BF. To make it work, I just gave them two reasons:

A. I need to have a lot of sex and make them cum a lot and all the WGs believe having too much sex / cum will make them age faster. So having another girl to take half of the load is a very good thing.

B. A man will get tired of having sex with the same girl day in and day out, so switching will maintain the freshness feeling so I will always want them and never get tired of them.

Also, they have to like each other, and become good friends, so they must both be good nature. They made me promise them that I won't seek new girls and they will love me and make me very happy.

Fillmore

SE Asia Joe

01-18-12, 12:47

Shikkar

01-18-12, 13:50

Member #4145

01-18-12, 14:34

Thanks a lot SE Asia Joe, you are making it easy for me to answer just one question. The threesome was something new that they wanted to give it a try, after they both become really good in bad. After a couple of times, we decided it is still better to just stick with one in the afternoon and one at night, and I agreed with them, hahaha, I am not a young man like SE Asia Joe anymore.

Yes, at first they cannot accept the other, as I wrote earlier, crying after hearing what I did with the other. No, they didn't know each other before, in fact, if they were friends, it won't work at all, as that means they share a common social network and they certainly have a lot of trouble explaining to their friends that they both share a BF. To make it work, I just gave them two reasons:

A. I need to have a lot of sex and make them cum a lot and all the WGs believe having too much sex / cum will make them age faster. So having another girl to take half of the load is a very good thing.

B. A man will get tired of having sex with the same girl day in and day out, so switching will maintain the freshness feeling so I will always want them and never get tired of them.

Also, they have to like each other, and become good friends, so they must both be good nature. They made me promise them that I won't seek new girls and they will love me and make me very happy.

FillmoreFillmore et al,

I'm in a similar situation. I now have two regula girls, one in Guangzhou who is a WG and the other a civilian in SH. Both girls know I'm married. The WG in Guangzhou. Who at the start I didn't treat her as well or as serious as she treated me has begged me not to go with other girls, especially from the same place she works. The other civilian in SH has siad she loves me and wants to move to Guangzhou and live with me after the first time we shagged.

I too like Fillmore, love making these girls cum. My regular WG is the only WG I've given DATY to. Perhaps it's her 40kg frame and shaved pussy that's done it for me but she has done things for me that I know she would never do with other guys.

Examples are; our first encounter, I called her to sit with me by curling my index finger to come over to me. She told me later she hates this but did it for me. She always wants men to go to her to talk, not the other way round. After I rejected her, she came back and sat with me for 45mins before I agreed to go with her for a reduced price, something she never does. This was for a two hour rate. She stayed all night and I popped several times.

Afterwards, she began to call me to see me, not the other way around (I've got another WG who does the same thing). She wants to see me even just for dinner, when she does hugs and jumps on me. I've been to clubs with her and other civilian girls have talked to me, become immensely jealous. She loves showing me off to her competition and hates it when they approach me the minute when she heads to the loo. And finally before Christmas, stayed with me for 10 days, not wanting to leave. Cooked, cleaned and gave me sex without asking for cent. I did pay her as she doesn't work.

She's now away for CNY and has begged me not to go with other girls, especially where she works.

The other civilian girl is a bit mad. Too much pelvis grinding. And I'm going to finish that one.

I think to Fillmore's point in getting both. This was proposed by my regular WG with her friend who also happens to be a WG. But her friend rejected the idea as being to risky for their friendship. She knew I fancied her and wanted to give her a try.

So Fillmore, I salute you, yes you're a helpless romantic like myself but have taken it to the next level in performing a remakable coup. Well done Squire Fillmore! Carry on!

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 20:55

SEAJ, SEAN or SSS,

Alright, you don't have to rub it in that you are a young 29 year old blonde buff swede alright? We all know that you are very popular with all the girls and you don't even need to lift a finger and girls come flocking to you! I get it! But you don't have to rub it in my face, especially when I'm old enough to be your Dad alright?

Remember that one time we both went to eat lunch together, and all of a sudden when we sit down, all of a sudden we are surrounded by female restaurant workers- the manager, supervisor, waitress, lady that pours tea all four girls gather around our table in awe of how good looking you were? Damn it! I'm going to go out and dye my hair blonde and start losing 50 lbs to be like you! It's just simply not fair.

Dr. SEAJ or SSS, is this a side effect of fakeritis as you had diagnosed?

In regards to Number 4: Don't even say two girls fall madly in love with you, I can't even find one girl to fall madly in love with me. Come on guys what am I doing wrong here?

AsnDragon.

Awww.

Come on Dragon. Surely you remember how it WAS when you were young?

I mean ALL the girls love 29 YO Blond haired 6'2" 190 lbs buffed up guys, so its impossible that you'd NOT had a CP gal fall madly and totally in love with you.

As to your questions:

1 / Of COURSE they all come multiple times. Same as I can screw at least 10 times a day! I mean, I counted the last time, One. Two. Three. Four. Heck I even think I went AT least 20 times!

2 / Find these gals? Why would you need to find 'them? They just usually and naturally find you don't they?

3 / I'm neither good looking nor rich. But EACH and EVERYONE of my true loves are genuine 10"s. You or anybody here going to tell me any different? Genuine 10's I'm telling ya!

4 / Well this one I'm going to have to defer to Filmore as I just really don't got what it takes to have two gals madly in love with me and both servicin' me at the same time. I sorta still like my balls and wud hate to loose even one of 'them!

SEAN.

SEAJ.

CJ.

SEAN SWEET SWEDE.

I'm an SSS!

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 21:03

Fillmore St,

Alright, I got to ask here. How much money you paying these two regular girls that you got who are madly in love with you? You sponsor them? Give them a generous wad of cash? I mean please don't tell me that you don't even give them one single RMB for all of this love makin'. If you are telling me that you are gettin' all of this for free, then I'm going to have to hit my head on some brick wall- how could my game be so bad that I can't even get one girl to fall madly in love with me, let alone two for free?

You have to tell me what the secret is. Are the girls really good looking also? Do you have some special love potion that I don't know about? If you do can I purchase some?

You give me hope Fillmore, because I'm assuming that you are around my age, so I feel like perhaps there's still light at the end of the tunnel, I might get luck to find a girl to love me in China for free. Forget about SEAJ, young goof looking chaps like him don't need any of your guidance, he's got no problems getting all of the chicks he wants.

Please do share. You didn't answer me on if they are WG when you picked them up. In addition, how would you rate their looks?

Desperately seeking for sagacious advice in seeking a young Chinese girl to love me. Love me for my sexual performance, my over-sized pot belly, my heart made out of gold and not for the gold in my pockets.

AsnDragon.

Thanks a lot SE Asia Joe, you are making it easy for me to answer just one question. The threesome was something new that they wanted to give it a try, after they both become really good in bad. After a couple of times, we decided it is still better to just stick with one in the afternoon and one at night, and I agreed with them, hahaha, I am not a young man like SE Asia Joe anymore.

Yes, at first they cannot accept the other, as I wrote earlier, crying after hearing what I did with the other. No, they didn't know each other before, in fact, if they were friends, it won't work at all, as that means they share a common social network and they certainly have a lot of trouble explaining to their friends that they both share a BF. To make it work, I just gave them two reasons:

A. I need to have a lot of sex and make them cum a lot and all the WGs believe having too much sex / cum will make them age faster. So having another girl to take half of the load is a very good thing.

B. A man will get tired of having sex with the same girl day in and day out, so switching will maintain the freshness feeling so I will always want them and never get tired of them.

Also, they have to like each other, and become good friends, so they must both be good nature. They made me promise them that I won't seek new girls and they will love me and make me very happy.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-18-12, 21:15

simon,

so i guess you belong with santa, seaj, fillmore and all the other boys in the helpless romantic camp huh?

wtf is going on here? i hear all of these success stories with girls and i'm starting to get really depressed that i have not been able to score anything tangible with any of the girls i've been with!

what seems to be the secret? are you like seaj, another buff 6'2" blonde 29 year old swede? is that how you get the girls so easily and civilian girls come flocking to you at clubs? and wg come calling you just to sneak in a rare peek of you during dinners?

should i do what you do and just ignore calling them first will they end up calling me? actually i've tried that and when i ignore calling them first they just never end up calling me, so i guess that tactic is out the window.

or do you give them huge loads of cash? is it the money that does the talking?

i'm sitting here, trying to re-examine my game and how i can get the girls to love me. i still don't have a clue to this point. but i'm considering on doing plastic surgery to transform my 64 year old- 250 pound frame, perhaps do some liposuction, acid skin peel, botox, facelift, nose job and a trip to the salon to dye my hair bright gold so i can look like seaj. then, perhaps i might have a chance. what do you all think? is this the look that young china girls are seeking for?

but then i perhaps not! fillmore street is an older gentlemen like myself, perhaps not as old as me, but he seems to have a chance with getting two girls to love him unconditionally. so what's the deal folks, any tips for a desperate old man like me?

asndragon.

fillmore et al,

i'm in a similar situation. i now have two regula girls, one in guangzhou who is a wg and the other a civilian in sh. both girls know i'm married. the wg in guangzhou. who at the start i didn't treat her as well or as serious as she treated me has begged me not to go with other girls, especially from the same place she works. the other civilian in sh has siad she loves me and wants to move to guangzhou and live with me after the first time we shagged.

i too like fillmore, love making these girls cum. my regular wg is the only wg i've given daty to. perhaps it's her 40kg frame and shaved pussy that's done it for me but she has done things for me that i know she would never do with other guys.

examples are; our first encounter, i called her to sit with me by curling my index finger to come over to me. she told me later she hates this but did it for me. she always wants men to go to her to talk, not the other way round. after i rejected her, she came back and sat with me for 45mins before i agreed to go with her for a reduced price, something she never does. this was for a two hour rate. she stayed all night and i popped several times.

afterwards, she began to call me to see me, not the other way around (i've got another wg who does the same thing). she wants to see me even just for dinner, when she does hugs and jumps on me. i've been to clubs with her and other civilian girls have talked to me, become immensely jealous. she loves showing me off to her competition and hates it when they approach me the minute when she heads to the loo. and finally before christmas, stayed with me for 10 days, not wanting to leave. cooked, cleaned and gave me sex without asking for cent. i did pay her as she doesn't work.

she's now away for cny and has begged me not to go with other girls, especially where she works.

the other civilian girl is a bit mad. too much pelvis grinding. and i'm going to finish that one.

i think to fillmore's point in getting both. this was proposed by my regular wg with her friend who also happens to be a wg. but her friend rejected the idea as being to risky for their friendship. she knew i fancied her and wanted to give her a try.

so fillmore, i salute you, yes you're a helpless romantic like myself but have taken it to the next level in performing a remakable coup. well done squire fillmore! carry on!

Member #4144

01-18-12, 21:55

But then I perhaps not! Fillmore Street is an older gentlemen like myself, perhaps not as old as me, but he seems to have a chance with getting TWO girls to love him unconditionally. So what's the deal folks, any tips for a desperate old man like me?

AsnDragon.Indeed, I guess I do belong to the older camp on this board. I have only met a few mongers in CP, and I saw then that I had no chance to compete with some of them, who were younger and better looking. I am still in my 50s and I realized some time ago that I only have a couple more years left for winning the hearts of these girls. I started working out and took up salsa dancing 3 years ago so I now have my weight returned to the same as in my 20s. So, yes, physical attraction is a must, I would say, but I could be wrong. I just assumed so since more then once KTV girls told me that they avoid entering a room for two types of guys, old or fat.

As for the details on my two girls, I guess I have similar taste as Simon Sinclair, since both of them are exactly 40kg, one 19 and the other 20. I have no idea on how to rate their look since that depends on different taste. I can only say, as I had posted on the Guangzhou board, that whenever I took them to CAVE bar where I like to sit on their big long counter, guys around us just cannot leave us alone. They would come over to shake my hand so that they can shake my girls hands, or forced their way to ask for their numbers.

I met both of them in Panyu ktvs, but they were not regulars. Unlike CP, Panyu and Guangzhou KTV have many girls who do part time there. These girls don't usually go out with customers. I need to court them, and it takes time. One girl was a DJ in another KTV and she just happend to come visit her friend when she met me. Another girl was a student who managed her life mostly by modeling. She part timed in KTV when her modeling income was not enough.

Now once I have charmed them enough that they went out with me, the initial sex was never good, as these girls had not been with guys much, so they only felt the pain and none of the pleasure, so I needed to treat them nicely, depending on how I feel if this girl has a longer term potential, so it takes time to select the right girl. I have had about 5 such girls and these two are the finalists, and I am not about to look for new ones as I am not getting any younger and this process really takes a lot of effort.

As for the financial arrangment, I might be on the generous side, since I need to make sure they stick with me. No, I don't send them money, I pay them when I see them.

I found Weixin to be a great tool, better then qq, since my girls will leave voice messages for me and me for them after I return to the states. They will tell me their life and tell me how much they miss me, and each still wanted the assurance from me that I love her just as much, or more, then the other girl. It is much better to hear voices, but no need to make phone calls since the time differences made it difficult. We all watch the same tv shows and share song lists so I do need to follow the pop culture in China, so that we always have things to talk about.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-19-12, 03:04

Fillmore St,

So you must go back to China quite often, like once a month or something?

How generous are you in terms of financing them each time they come and visit you? Perhaps that's the real case in point here. Perhaps I'm just not paying the girls enough for them to stick with me.

I'm going to have to try out salsa lessons, you think I can shed off like 50 lbs, cause I probably need to shed off 60 lbs to be back at how much I use to way back when I was 20 years old, that will be a huge challenge for me. But I guess if you say it works I'll have to give it a try.

So I noticed another underlying point is that you picked up these girls at Panyu and Gaungzhou KTVs. Perhaps there's something wrong with CP environment as almost all girls work as a WG full time. Perhaps I may have a better chance if I go elsewhere to those cities that you mentioned before where the girls aren't entirely jaded by the environment around them. I think I may be onto something here.

Fillmore, any way that you could host an old man like me in the near future to one of the KTVs in Panyu and Guangzhou? I would share in with all costs associated with the room fees, DJ etc. I just need someone to show me the ropes and under your professional experienced guidance, I think I might be lucky-finally. It seems like you have done very well for yourself to be able to pick up a student who's a part time model. I think perhaps I should stand back from the CP scene for a couple of days to compare with other cities around China to see if that will increase me chances of finding "true love" or at least find girls that are willing to stick with me and do 69 positions, orgasm and then 69 again for the finish.

Why is it that when in CP, all of the DJs always seem to have a BF already? It's happened to me about 3 times where I tried to pick up on a DJ and they all said they have a BF already, perhaps it's their kind way of rejecting me on the spot or something. Now I think I may be onto something. Finding non-full time WG is the key to success. Perhaps CP really is a unique environment that makes the girls way to jaded in this line work.

AsnDragon.

Indeed, I guess I do belong to the older camp on this board. I have only met a few mongers in CP, and I saw then that I had no chance to compete with some of them, who were younger and better looking. I am still in my 50s and I realized some time ago that I only have a couple more years left for winning the hearts of these girls. I started working out and took up salsa dancing 3 years ago so I now have my weight returned to the same as in my 20s. So, yes, physical attraction is a must, I would say, but I could be wrong. I just assumed so since more then once KTV girls told me that they avoid entering a room for two types of guys, old or fat.

As for the details on my two girls, I guess I have similar taste as Simon Sinclair, since both of them are exactly 40kg, one 19 and the other 20. I have no idea on how to rate their look since that depends on different taste. I can only say, as I had posted on the Guangzhou board, that whenever I took them to CAVE bar where I like to sit on their big long counter, guys around us just cannot leave us alone. They would come over to shake my hand so that they can shake my girls hands, or forced their way to ask for their numbers.

I met both of them in Panyu ktvs, but they were not regulars. Unlike CP, Panyu and Guangzhou KTV have many girls who do part time there. These girls don't usually go out with customers. I need to court them, and it takes time. One girl was a DJ in another KTV and she just happend to come visit her friend when she met me. Another girl was a student who managed her life mostly by modeling. She part timed in KTV when her modeling income was not enough.

Now once I have charmed them enough that they went out with me, the initial sex was never good, as these girls had not been with guys much, so they only felt the pain and none of the pleasure, so I needed to treat them nicely, depending on how I feel if this girl has a longer term potential, so it takes time to select the right girl. I have had about 5 such girls and these two are the finalists, and I am not about to look for new ones as I am not getting any younger and this process really takes a lot of effort.

As for the financial arrangment, I might be on the generous side, since I need to make sure they stick with me. No, I don't send them money, I pay them when I see them.

I found Weixin to be a great tool, better then qq, since my girls will leave voice messages for me and me for them after I return to the states. They will tell me their life and tell me how much they miss me, and each still wanted the assurance from me that I love her just as much, or more, then the other girl. It is much better to hear voices, but no need to make phone calls since the time differences made it difficult. We all watch the same tv shows and share song lists so I do need to follow the pop culture in China, so that we always have things to talk about.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-19-12, 03:29

I was just wondering, but I've been on this board for quite some time already. Whatever happened to all of the CP veterans back in the days that were ever-so-active in this board?

Have most of all the veterans all moved on to better and more exciting cities nowadays? I see some guys come in and out posting and dropping a few lines, but it's like all the veterans of CP all fell off the face of the earth these days. You guys use to be ever-so active on the Dongguan Forum. Or have you all changed your screen names and I just don't know about it.

I'm talking about guys like:

Moody, Fast Eddie, Loso69, Tiger888, Weelock, CPExpat, Old Mean Dog, Wadman, Csun213, Superforce99 etc.

Hope all is well.

AsnDragon

Member #4144

01-19-12, 08:04

Fillmore St,

So you must go back to China quite often, like once a month or something?

How generous are you in terms of financing them each time they come and visit you? Perhaps that's the real case in point here. Perhaps I'm just not paying the girls enough for them to stick with me.

I'm going to have to try out salsa lessons, you think I can shed off like 50 lbs, cause I probably need to shed off 60 lbs to be back at how much I use to way back when I was 20 years old, that will be a huge challenge for me. But I guess if you say it works I'll have to give it a try.

So I noticed another underlying point is that you picked up these girls at Panyu and Gaungzhou KTVs. Perhaps there's something wrong with CP environment as almost all girls work as a WG full time. Perhaps I may have a better chance if I go elsewhere to those cities that you mentioned before where the girls aren't entirely jaded by the environment around them. I think I may be onto something here.

Fillmore, any way that you could host an old man like me in the near future to one of the KTVs in Panyu and Guangzhou? I would share in with all costs associated with the room fees, DJ etc. I just need someone to show me the ropes and under your professional experienced guidance, I think I might be lucky-finally. It seems like you have done very well for yourself to be able to pick up a student who's a part time model. I think perhaps I should stand back from the CP scene for a couple of days to compare with other cities around China to see if that will increase me chances of finding "true love" or at least find girls that are willing to stick with me and do 69 positions, orgasm and then 69 again for the finish.

Why is it that when in CP, all of the DJs always seem to have a BF already? It's happened to me about 3 times where I tried to pick up on a DJ and they all said they have a BF already, perhaps it's their kind way of rejecting me on the spot or something. Now I think I may be onto something. Finding non-full time WG is the key to success. Perhaps CP really is a unique environment that makes the girls way to jaded in this line work.

AsnDragon.Trying to loss 50lb is a good thing no matter what, hahaha. Yes, you may try in one of those secondary cities where the cost is lower then places like BJ SH and Guangzhou. As for how much I pay them, I just pay the typical LT fee, but that fee is much higher in Guangzhou then in CP. Since KTV girls in Guangzhou / Panyu do not go out much, maybe a couple of times a month, and my girls get to get the LT fee everyday when I come to China, and yes, I do come very often and stay for a week or a bit longer, it is indeed a good deal for them.

You want to come to my KTV? Well, I have always doing solo KTV, sitting at 3 to 5 girls, that was how to get to sample many to select the ones that clicked. Now that I have these two, I only go to KTV to have fun with them and I don't actually sit any girls, only to play with them, maybe plus the DJ. If I do have a fall out with these two and need to go back to KTV again, sure, I will get you and OAH, as he also has asked.

As for the CP environment, yes, it is more difficult to find love, but only on the higher scale girls. I have taken a 9 model from FH home 3 times and she still would not do BJ. Since then I sticked to the a 7 and 8 and I had much better luck. I think I have taken a total of 8 girls home and 7 of them did BBBJ. Out of the 7, I got 2 to do post-intercourse-BBBJ69, but I think it had to do with the cum part. If I can hold it, then it can hapen more often. The real problme with CP is that it is not a place to have a regular girl. There is just nothing to do in that city of a dump. I had one girl from CP whome really loved me and came to Guangzhou and we had great time, but when I went back to CP to see her, there is no where to go except to go back to a KTV and then I had other girls falling over for me and she had to be pushed out of the picture.

Fillmore

Pcpc1688

01-19-12, 09:03

Pcpc1688,

What do you mean by true love? Like you felt you loved her or you felt like you loved her a lot in bed? Do you still keep in touch with her?

If you ran out of things to talk about on the 3rd day, what do you do for the two days after that? I run into these similar problems as well. There's this fire of desire in the beginning. But after a while, I run out of things to talk about. There's this lack of connection, outside of the bedroom, after a while. In fact I don't see how to connect with many WG after a while.

So perhaps that's why so many veterans here are all giving the same advice. Keep that fresh feeling that you have with that girl, so always keep on switching to a new gal.

AsnDragon.Dragon,

I was being sarcastic, sorry. I don't fall in love but only in lust LOL.

Too much trouble these young girls in China these days. They mostly only see RMBs LOL.

I have a few faves in Zhongtang but variety is good.

PC out

Santa

01-19-12, 13:15

Don't worry about loving them, I'll take care that. And it's easy to make them cum, to satisfy them. Just offer more cash. That will work!

Shikkar

01-19-12, 18:50

SEAJ, SEAN or SSS,

Alright, you don't have to rub it in that you are a young 29 year old blonde buff swede alright? We all know that you are very popular with all the girls and you don't even need to lift a finger and girls come flocking to you! I get it! But you don't have to rub it in my face, especially when I'm old enough to be your Dad alright?

Remember that one time we both went to eat lunch together, and all of a sudden when we sit down, all of a sudden we are surrounded by female restaurant workers- the manager, supervisor, waitress, lady that pours tea all four girls gather around our table in awe of how good looking you were? Damn it! I'm going to go out and dye my hair blonde and start losing 50 lbs to be like you! It's just simply not fair.

Dr. SEAJ or SSS, is this a side effect of fakeritis as you had diagnosed?

In regards to Number 4: Don't even say two girls fall madly in love with you, I can't even find one girl to fall madly in love with me. Come on guys what am I doing wrong here?

AsnDragon.Common sir. As you said if you compare with age I will be your younger son. I am just 22, six feet, and in good shape. As you become youger the chances of getting handsome comments is quite natural. I study in universtiy. I also got ptetty much experiance.

As young I also got very bad experiance, for example, I use AFF. All the girls I met there are adult women, most divorced or lokking for a good husband. I really got kicked out when I say my age. Shows less intreast and tell they don't want to date a younger boy. If other fellow Chinese people saw this ouside it will be like crazy thing.

Same in with clubs my mature women towards me.

Same with qq. They call me as son.

And if you meet someone then they treat you as a son. What I had done here. What I should do. I had been rejected by lot of times because I was young.

If you are damm certain that you want young girls. It will be hard and depends on your luck. Because everyone will not be the same. Thse youg girs will be looking for young people. Just the reverse of what I had told earlier. Some girls will ashamed if they hangout with an old man. She will not be willing to go out with you because of other society people.

So sir with all respects. There are lot of adult girls in dating site mostly in AFF. They are looking for mature men. You will have sure sucess. They will loving you truly and madly as they mature as they are consious than the younger one. But most of them will be looking for marriage less chance of relationship. Sure hitting sucess is ther.

Just be cool minded. Deal with it what you. Don't compare with the people above you. Try to compare people below you. And be thankful to god for all the good things.

Shikkar

AsnDragon

01-19-12, 20:02

Fillmore St,

Please contact me the next time you are in CP. Wow, so you just went to FH KTV and then all of these girls all end up falling for you that same night? That's amazing! FH girls are one of the hardest to get them to fall in love with you and you got many girls all fall in love with you all at once? You have to teach me how to work it!

Most of the time I go to FH they sneer at me because of my age. I even had one girl who wanted to kick me in the balls. BruceTea can attest to that he was there that one evening we were partying at FH when that happened. And my girl was not even a 7 or an 8, she was more like a 6 at best too!

Apparently, I'm doing something wrong, and I need to learn from you on how to do it right! I don't have KTV girls falling for me left and right.

AsnDragon.

Trying to loss 50lb is a good thing no matter what, hahaha. Yes, you may try in one of those secondary cities where the cost is lower then places like BJ SH and Guangzhou. As for how much I pay them, I just pay the typical LT fee, but that fee is much higher in Guangzhou then in CP. Since KTV girls in Guangzhou / Panyu do not go out much, maybe a couple of times a month, and my girls get to get the LT fee everyday when I come to China, and yes, I do come very often and stay for a week or a bit longer, it is indeed a good deal for them.

You want to come to my KTV? Well, I have always doing solo KTV, sitting at 3 to 5 girls, that was how to get to sample many to select the ones that clicked. Now that I have these two, I only go to KTV to have fun with them and I don't actually sit any girls, only to play with them, maybe plus the DJ. If I do have a fall out with these two and need to go back to KTV again, sure, I will get you and OAH, as he also has asked.

As for the CP environment, yes, it is more difficult to find love, but only on the higher scale girls. I have taken a 9 model from FH home 3 times and she still would not do BJ. Since then I sticked to the a 7 and 8 and I had much better luck. I think I have taken a total of 8 girls home and 7 of them did BBBJ. Out of the 7, I got 2 to do post-intercourse-BBBJ69, but I think it had to do with the cum part. If I can hold it, then it can hapen more often. The real problme with CP is that it is not a place to have a regular girl. There is just nothing to do in that city of a dump. I had one girl from CP whome really loved me and came to Guangzhou and we had great time, but when I went back to CP to see her, there is no where to go except to go back to a KTV and then I had other girls falling over for me and she had to be pushed out of the picture.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-19-12, 20:12

Pcpc1688,

Well, honestly, it's not just the young girls in China these days, all Girls in China these days mostly only see RMBs. In fact most girls in the world only see money as the real tangible good and goal they strive for.

Unless you are tellin' me that older WG are falling for you left and right (as they do for Fillmore St) and you aren't paying them a single Mao? I think I the end all girls are the same. Unless you look like SEAJ (aka SEAN Sweet Swede) who gets girls just based off of his youthful good looking appearance.

But then again how many SEAJ are there out there right?

AsnDragon.

Dragon,

I was being sarcastic, sorry. I don't fall in love but only in lust LOL.

Too much trouble these young girls in China these days. They mostly only see RMBs LOL.

I have a few faves in Zhongtang but variety is good.

PC out

AsnDragon

01-19-12, 20:20

Santa,

I guess that's what I forgot! I didn't get that memo! I need to give the girls more money and then it makes them cum? I'm amazing throwing bills on the bedsheets while making love and she's just moaning and wanting it even more!

I have to take note of this and try it next time! Thanks Santa, you didn't bring my any gifts because I've been a bad boy this year, but this tip certainly helps me out a lot!

AsnDragon.

Don't worry about loving them, I'll take care that. And it's easy to make them cum, to satisfy them. Just offer more cash. That will work!

Pcpc1688

01-19-12, 22:00

Don't worry about loving them, I'll take care that. And it's easy to make them cum, to satisfy them. Just offer more cash. That will work!RMBs always seem to get the little hoes wetter LOL.

PC out

Member #4144

01-19-12, 22:12

Fillmore St,

Please contact me the next time you are in CP. Wow, so you just went to FH KTV and then all of these girls all end up falling for you that same night? That's amazing! FH girls are one of the hardest to get them to fall in love with you and you got many girls all fall in love with you all at once? You have to teach me how to work it!

Most of the time I go to FH they sneer at me because of my age. I even had one girl who wanted to kick me in the balls. BruceTea can attest to that he was there that one evening we were partying at FH when that happened. And my girl was not even a 7 or an 8, she was more like a 6 at best too!

Apparently, I'm doing something wrong, and I need to learn from you on how to do it right! I don't have KTV girls falling for me left and right.

AsnDragon.Hahah, sorry, that was not what I meant. I only do solo KTV, and I usually sit 5 girls, then usually one of them will fall for me and she was the one I take home. In the very early days, I did join BSD for his KTV party and I met Bruce Tea and Jim Traveler, among others. I noticed then that I was older and I better have my own room so girls will not look at other younger guys.
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When you are in a group with other guys, you will have less of a chance to communicate well with the girls, unless you sit just one or two. When I was the only boss in a room, all my time would be spent playing with them, singing love songs with each one of them and see their reaction to the words. I also asked them to take turn to slow dance with me and see how willing they were to be held tightly to me. I also play all kinds of games with the whole group together and this helped greatly to make them comfortable with me.
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I know I miss out a lot in having fun with the guys in ktv rooms, but my travel schedule was such that it would be hard for me to make into a group of people I like to hang out with and I don't see much of the benifit of just joining a random group of peole that I don't know. The few times I went with BSD, there were always more guys in the group who had never posted anything.
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Fillmore

Weelock

01-20-12, 01:02

I'm talking about guys like:

Moody, Fast Eddie, Loso69, Tiger888, Weelock, CPExpat, Old Mean Dog, Wadman, Csun213, Superforce99 etc.

AsnDragonFor me I still keep in contact with a few old veterans. Basically, most have moved on. They don't have the time. One or two I don't want to see or contact.

Now, I'm more on other forums (websites). I'm especially spending more time at one particular forum. I also noticed a few others from ISG on those forums too.

Jude Bright

01-20-12, 01:31

For me I still keep in contact with a few old veterans. Basically, most have moved on. They don't have the time. One or two I don't want to see or contact.

Now, I'm more on other forums (websites). I'm especially spending more time at one particular forum. I also noticed a few others from ISG on those forums too.I have read a few of your posts and did enjoy. Don't you want to share your new lover, the web?

Regard.

JB

HoTrain

01-20-12, 04:04

Testing. Me and the guys were in CP for the month of DEC. If you saw a group of Canadians wondering around, chances are it was us. Apparently, all the good looking girls moved to Yihao and Eurasia. Mayflower has numbers but at least half are just plain butt ugly. Now I'm no prize posession myself, but pork chops in the line up. This is just plain maddness. Eurasia has too many prize categories. I got all confused. I do recall that they had the hottest girls there. I also need to mention, that I ended up bringing a girl back and it ended up causing quite the drama show. More on this later. I also tried Yihao, Amazon, swan lake, fuhao, peninsula KTV's. Yihao was a nice upscale place. All about the money and scams there. Same with Fuhao. I remember, some guys rolling a cart in serving watermellon juice and before I could say no, I was shelling out 60 bones for two glasses which I didn't even get a sip of. Amazon was a new experience. The full naked KTV. I fingered one of the other guys girl and then smeared my fingers across another guys mouth. Then we lined up and did the HO TRAIN. For the boys reading this and I know you are. Did someone say this April 1 for my bday.

Ho TRAIN

AsnDragon

01-20-12, 06:37

Weelock,

I guess you moved on to better and newer things huh? I have heard of some veterans migrating to other other forum. Not too sure if it's the same as the one you are talking about, but seems to be very popular among HK guys especially.

I guess there's always one or two that we don't want to see huh?

AsnDragon.

For me I still keep in contact with a few old veterans. Basically, most have moved on. They don't have the time. One or two I don't want to see or contact.

Now, I'm more on other forums (websites). I'm especially spending more time at one particular forum. I also noticed a few others from ISG on those forums too.

AsnDragon

01-20-12, 06:45

Shikkar,

I'm a bit confused as to your comments you are making here.

1. What is AFF? I'm kinda old so I don't know all of these abbreviations.

2. So you are saying that it's better to be older than younger? Because all of the girls you try to go after think that you are too young? So if that's the case, then wouldn't I, being old, have a better chance with girls in general since you claim that girls in China prefer more mature men?

3. When you said don't compare with people above you? Who would be above me? And who would the people be below me?

But thanks for your post though son, that was awfully kind of you. From what I gather from your post is that I should date MILFs women in their 30's or something?

AsnDragon.

Common sir. As you said if you compare with age I will be your younger son. I am just 22, six feet, and in good shape. As you become youger the chances of getting handsome comments is quite natural. I study in universtiy. I also got ptetty much experiance.

As young I also got very bad experiance, for example, I use AFF. All the girls I met there are adult women, most divorced or lokking for a good husband. I really got kicked out when I say my age. Shows less intreast and tell they don't want to date a younger boy. If other fellow Chinese people saw this ouside it will be like crazy thing.

Same in with clubs my mature women towards me.

Same with qq. They call me as son.

And if you meet someone then they treat you as a son. What I had done here. What I should do. I had been rejected by lot of times because I was young.

If you are damm certain that you want young girls. It will be hard and depends on your luck. Because everyone will not be the same. Thse youg girs will be looking for young people. Just the reverse of what I had told earlier. Some girls will ashamed if they hangout with an old man. She will not be willing to go out with you because of other society people.

So sir with all respects. There are lot of adult girls in dating site mostly in AFF. They are looking for mature men. You will have sure sucess. They will loving you truly and madly as they mature as they are consious than the younger one. But most of them will be looking for marriage less chance of relationship. Sure hitting sucess is ther.

Just be cool minded. Deal with it what you. Don't compare with the people above you. Try to compare people below you. And be thankful to god for all the good things.

Shikkar

AsnDragon

01-20-12, 06:53

Fillmore St,

You must be a very well off man! Affording a whole KTV room, DJ fees and also sitting 5 girls and taking one girl back overnight. That must cost you a fortune each time you go partying.

Yeah I know what you mean. When you party with young folks like BruceTea and Jim Traveler, it's hard to gather your girl's attention because they all end up staring at how good looking those two guys are and they end up paying no attention to you. I've partied with BruceTea and Jim Traveler before, seems like they are a bit too charming and end up stealing my girl's affections during the night. I can see why you want to party alone. But wow, you have to have deep pockets partying like that every time you go to KTVs.

When you have 5 girls and you are singing to just one girl and seeing what their reaction is, how do the other 4 girls feel about that? Don't they get jealous, fold their arms and act all bored and tired and upset? I pick two girls to sit with me and I already cannot get the two girls to consistently stay interested throughout the night. Once you pay more attention to one girl than the other, they feel like their chances of being taken out for the evening is very slim so they just end up giving up and hoping that you will kick them out so they can sit another customer for the evening.

AsnDragon.

Hahah, sorry, that was not what I meant. I only do solo KTV, and I usually sit 5 girls, then usually one of them will fall for me and she was the one I take home. In the very early days, I did join BSD for his KTV party and I met Bruce Tea and Jim Traveler, among others. I noticed then that I was older and I better have my own room so girls will not look at other younger guys.

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When you are in a group with other guys, you will have less of a chance to communicate well with the girls, unless you sit just one or two. When I was the only boss in a room, all my time would be spent playing with them, singing love songs with each one of them and see their reaction to the words. I also asked them to take turn to slow dance with me and see how willing they were to be held tightly to me. I also play all kinds of games with the whole group together and this helped greatly to make them comfortable with me.

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I know I miss out a lot in having fun with the guys in KTV rooms, but my travel schedule was such that it would be hard for me to make into a group of people I like to hang out with and I don't see much of the benifit of just joining a random group of peole that I don't know. The few times I went with BSD, there were always more guys in the group who had never posted anything.

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Fillmore

Santa

01-20-12, 09:28

That's right guys. Just tell her that she gets an extra 10 rmb for each time she cums and you will be amazed. She will cum as soon as you stick it in and then have lots and lots of orgasms. Extra cash is an amazing aphrodisiac.

And I know she isn't faking it, so it must be me.

And, she told me if I make it 20 rmb she will scream even louder. But I'm afraid to do that because I don't want the neighbors to call the police.

AsnDragon

01-20-12, 09:36

Santa,

So can I do this? She get 10 RMB for every orgasm she has. And after she has 15 orgasms- I cum, wash up and then say to her "oh, thanks, I already gave you your 150 RMB fee, I had a great time."

IS that how it works? I guess that tactic would only work once on the girl before she catches on huh?

Also Santa, every girl you are with screams so loud that your neighbor hears it anyways!

AsnDragon.

That's right guys. Just tell her that she gets an extra 10 rmb for each time she cums and you will be amazed. She will cum as soon as you stick it in and then have lots and lots of orgasms. Extra cash is an amazing aphrodisiac.

And I know she isn't faking it, so it must be me.

And, she told me if I make it 20 rmb she will scream even louder. But I'm afraid to do that because I don't want the neighbors to call the police.

Member #4145

01-20-12, 14:45

simon,

or do you give them huge loads of cash? is it the money that does the talking?

i'm sitting here, trying to re-examine my game and how i can get the girls to love me. i still don't have a clue to this point. but i'm considering on doing plastic surgery to transform my 64 year old- 250 pound frame, perhaps do some liposuction, acid skin peel, botox, facelift, nose job and a trip to the salon to dye my hair bright gold so i can look like seaj. then, perhaps i might have a chance. what do you all think? is this the look that young china girls are seeking for?

but then i perhaps not! fillmore street is an older gentlemen like myself, perhaps not as old as me, but he seems to have a chance with getting two girls to love him unconditionally. so what's the deal folks, any tips for a desperate old man like me?

asndragon.asndragon,

well i'm in my mid 30s. 190cm. 80kgs and have blue eyes which chinese girls seem to love. i'm quite average looking. people think i look like ralph finnes. well my singaporean civilian (forgot to mention her) was attracted to me because of him! i've definatley got that landed gentry look. i'm married so i've got nothing to lose. so i can go and approach any girl and not the slightest bit concerned in not getting anybody. but i was like this before i got married.

confidence, my friend, the old rule, confidence. i use charm and confidence towards girls. smile, cheeky hellos, gestures etc and have fun with the girls. never show them your too keen. make them feel your there but not there. i do this in the office, near my office, in the street and at bars etc with all women that i see and talk to.

regarding wgs calling me, yes, my regular always wants to see me, dinner is the easiest way for us. i only get intimate with her once a month. most of the time it's just hanging out. the best was during christmas when another wg was calling me and my regular was seeing the messages and getting very worked up.

i've been going to cave this week, not taking anybody, been a good lad but meet a new dancer there who is working for this week only. she is from shenzhen and is amazing. after she finished dancing, came straight to me and sat on my lap. she was covered in sweat and wanted me to rub her back. how could i resist? she wanted me to stay until her shift finished at 3pm but i was exhausted and work the next day. i gave her my number and she called me. heading down there tonight and we will see what happens. regardless, tonight or if i go to she her at shenzhen. something will develop. she's ktv standard and looks similar to the viet girl i got in shanghai from manhattan.

i still get approached there and the dancers are asking about my 'girlfriend' but i've promised her i won't take anybody. as she is a dancer and from shenzhen then perhaps this is different.

regarding what chinese girls are looking for? i think all women are the same. they are looking for security, comfort, attention, and commitment. most wgs don't want to do what they do. my wg is looking for a boyfriend.although she claims and her wg friends do too that i'm that boyfriend. whenever walking in the street, my wg and civilians always lock their arms in mine. they feel secure doing this. i've always made them be themselves, comfortable and happy.

my civilians know i'm married and are waiting for me to file for divorce, same as my wg. don't think this will happen. as my wife is a 42kg japanese beauty.

so, do i give them loads of cash? well how could i? i'm married and have obligations to my family. i have done favours for my wg and i always pay for her when we go out. but i never pay the standard rate others do. she stayed with me for close to two weeks. at a normal rate, the money i gave her would have covered only two all nighters. she wasn't staying with me for the money but for security, comfort, companinship, and love.

the best was when she would jump into bed naked after showering. a nice feeling my old gf did years ago.

asndragon, be yourself, if you want to find a girl you will but the chemisty needs to be mutual for it to last. remeber, women are everywhere, smile, say hello, just try it and see what happens.

see you one day in dg or guangzhou! all the best!

sinclair

Member #4144

01-20-12, 15:53

Fillmore St,

You must be a very well off man! Affording a whole KTV room, DJ fees and also sitting 5 girls and taking one girl back overnight. That must cost you a fortune each time you go partying.

Yeah I know what you mean. When you party with young folks like BruceTea and Jim Traveler, it's hard to gather your girl's attention because they all end up staring at how good looking those two guys are and they end up paying no attention to you. I've partied with BruceTea and Jim Traveler before, seems like they are a bit too charming and end up stealing my girl's affections during the night. I can see why you want to party alone. But wow, you have to have deep pockets partying like that every time you go to KTVs.

When you have 5 girls and you are singing to just one girl and seeing what their reaction is, how do the other 4 girls feel about that? Don't they get jealous, fold their arms and act all bored and tired and upset? I pick two girls to sit with me and I already cannot get the two girls to consistently stay interested throughout the night. Once you pay more attention to one girl than the other, they feel like their chances of being taken out for the evening is very slim so they just end up giving up and hoping that you will kick them out so they can sit another customer for the evening.

AsnDragon.Dragon, I might be but then I come from the US and don't spend too much time in China, much less in CP. When I come over, I may go to CP just once, so I need to make sure I get the best sexual experience I can manage. As for keeping all the girls interested, I simply tell them at the beginning that I usually take 2 girls home, sometimes 3. I told them we will go to a club to have fun and if they got taken out, they will at least get the ST, regardless if I will take them back to the hotel. If taken back to hotel then will be LT and if make me really happy, then LT plus tips. These girls love to go to a club, as they live their life in KTV room and love to just go out to have fun dancing in a club. Once in a club and them turn into their usual sefl, I will have a better sense of them and can decide better who to take back.

I usually don't even tough them in the room, as I go for the ultimate sensual experience and just touching many boops in a KTV room will make me look just like another guy. I like the girls to consider me different, treat them with respect. It took me some time to work out my system, so my only BBBJ failure happend at the beginning, and since then, it always worked, and the post-intercourse-BBBJ will be only a matter of my own inability to control my cum.

It was actually not too expensive to pay multiple ST due to the 258 rate in CP. It is basically impossible in Guangzhou / Panyu as girls usually don't go out on first and many places don't have ST / LT, if you need to take a girl out, it is LT and ranged from 1500 to 3000.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

01-21-12, 08:12

Simon Sin,

Seems like you got it all down with your game. But The only problem is I cannot grow taller to be 190 CM, un-age myself to be back 30 years younger and change the color of my eyes on demand. I think that the fact that you are young, tall and charming has a lot to do with it. I will try to work on the charming part, but in terms of becoming younger and growing taller that is out of my control. I guess with what you have, you don't really need to try because being 190 cm, once you walk in you are the tallest guy anywhere you go.

Yeah I'll try to work on the charming department. Acting like you are interested but not interested at the same time. Wow, I have too much to learn. Perhaps I should see you try that out in real life so that I could take notes. Hope to see you and fillmore street one of these days at DG / CP sometimes. I would love to see you guys in action. An old timer could learn a lot from younger guys like you two.

AsnDragon.

AsnDragon,

Well I'm in my mid 30s. 190cm. 80kgs and have blue eyes which Chinese girls seem to love. I'm quite average looking. People think I look like Ralph Finnes. Well my Singaporean civilian (forgot to mention her) was attracted to me because of him! I've definatley got that landed gentry look. I'm married so I've got nothing to lose. So I can go and approach any girl and not the slightest bit concerned in not getting anybody. But I was like this before I got married.

Confidence, my friend, the old rule, confidence. I use charm and confidence towards girls. Smile, cheeky hellos, gestures etc and have fun with the girls. Never show them your too keen. Make them feel your there but not there. I do this in the office, near my office, in the street and at bars etc with all women that I see and talk to.

Regarding WGs calling me, yes, my regular always wants to see me, dinner is the easiest way for us. I only get intimate with her once a month. Most of the time it's just hanging out. The best was during Christmas when another WG was calling me and my regular was seeing the messages and getting very worked up.

I've been going to Cave this week, not taking anybody, been a good lad but meet a new dancer there who is working for this week only. She is from Shenzhen and is amazing. After she finished dancing, came straight to me and sat on my lap. She was covered in sweat and wanted me to rub her back. How could I resist? She wanted me to stay until her shift finished at 3pm but I was exhausted and work the next day. I gave her my number and she called me. Heading down there tonight and we will see what happens. Regardless, tonight or if I go to she her at Shenzhen. Something will develop. She's KTV standard and looks similar to the Viet girl I got in Shanghai from Manhattan.

I still get approached there and the dancers are asking about my 'girlfriend' but I've promised her I won't take anybody. As she is a dancer and from Shenzhen then perhaps this is different.

Regarding what Chinese girls are looking for? I think all women are the same. They are looking for security, comfort, attention, and commitment. Most WGs don't want to do what they do. My WG is looking for a boyfriend. Although she claims and her WG friends do too that I'm that boyfriend. Whenever walking in the street, my WG and civilians always lock their arms in mine. They feel secure doing this. I've always made them be themselves, comfortable and happy.

My civilians know I'm married and are waiting for me to file for divorce, same as my WG. Don't think this will happen. As my wife is a 42kg Japanese beauty.

So, do I give them loads of cash? Well how could I? I'm married and have obligations to my family. I have done favours for my WG and I always pay for her when we go out. But I never pay the standard rate others do. She stayed with me for close to two weeks. At a normal rate, the money I gave her would have covered only two all nighters. She wasn't staying with me for the money but for security, comfort, companinship, and love.

The best was when she would jump into bed naked after showering. A nice feeling my old GF did years ago.

AsnDragon, be yourself, if you want to find a girl you will but the chemisty needs to be mutual for it to last. Remeber, women are everywhere, smile, say Hello, just try it and see what happens.

See you one day in DG or Guangzhou! All the best!

Sinclair

Santa

01-21-12, 09:03

Santa,

So can I do this? She get 10 RMB for every orgasm she has.

AsnDragon.If you want her to have a really big orgasm use the AsiaJoe method, promise her a new Nokia.

If you promise her an IPhone 4 she will scream so fucking loud the whole neighborhood will hear it.

AsnDragon

01-21-12, 10:05

Santa,

Now that's a pretty expensive orgasm!

I have a friend who fell in love with a girl in CP. This girl is the creme de la creme of all Models that you can imagine. 172 cm. 19 years old, white pure skin and just the cutest / beautiful face that you can imagine. Big eyes, long legs, no signs of fat and just amazing! She was so hot that she works part time at Royal Garden and her sitting fee is 800 RMB.

Anyhow, it was supposedly her birthday and my friend asks her what she wants for her birthday. She says she wants an iphone4. He goes off and buys her an iphone4, eats dinner with her and she just leaves and says "thanks". She expected and thought that getting an iphone4 for free for doing nothing but being pretty was so matter-of-fact. She didn't need to put out or anything. She simply took it and accepted the phone as if it was no different than a box of chocolates.

So these days, I'm not even sure if girls will appreciate an iphone4 anymore. Expectations of these girls are skyrocketing through the roof. Unless you are like SEAJ who's the young 29 year old, buff Swede stud who mesmerizes girls by just a simple glance from his blue eyes.

What has happened to China this decade? I don't think I can handle another 5 years with the rate that expectations from girls are climbing and accelerating like this.

AsnDragon.

If you want her to have a really big orgasm use the AsiaJoe method, promise her a new Nokia.

If you promise her an IPhone 4 she will scream so fucking loud the whole neighborhood will hear it.

Member #4145

01-21-12, 11:30

Simon Sin,

Hope to see you and fillmore street one of these days at DG / CP sometimes. I would love to see you guys in action. An old timer could learn a lot from younger guys like you two.

AsnDragon.Asn,

I came to CP once, September last year on a road trip with some lads from the office. We went to a hotel / sauna place where you pick the girls and throw the flower.

Honestly, this style is not my cup of tea. Although, I ended up choosing the most expensive and I guess most attractive girl, I didn't have that much fun to be honest. Small condoms and she was super thin which made sex hard for her. I laughed at her when she started dancing.

In the end, I had to cum by looking at her face and wanking! I was a beautiful face indeed.

Anyhow, I'm well over due for a DG / CP visit but will be travelling too much in Feb to do so. March would be better.

Could you take me to a KTV or a pick up bar with WGs? I've never been to a KTV before so it could be fun. Personally I prefer the bars as you never know what's going to happen, more spontaneous which I enjoy.

Sinclair

Loveasiangirls

01-21-12, 12:54

Santa,

Now that's a pretty expensive orgasm!

I have a friend who fell in love with a girl in CP. This girl is the creme de la creme of all Models that you can imagine. 172 cm. 19 years old, white pure skin and just the cutest / beautiful face that you can imagine. Big eyes, long legs, no signs of fat and just amazing! She was so hot that she works part time at Royal Garden and her sitting fee is 800 RMB.

Anyhow, it was supposedly her birthday and my friend asks her what she wants for her birthday. She says she wants an iphone4. He goes off and buys her an iphone4, eats dinner with her and she just leaves and says "thanks". She expected and thought that getting an iphone4 for free for doing nothing but being pretty was so matter-of-fact. She didn't need to put out or anything. She simply took it and accepted the phone as if it was no different than a box of chocolates.

So these days, I'm not even sure if girls will appreciate an iphone4 anymore. Expectations of these girls are skyrocketing through the roof. Unless you are like SEAJ who's the young 29 year old, buff Swede stud who mesmerizes girls by just a simple glance from his blue eyes.

What has happened to China this decade? I don't think I can handle another 5 years with the rate that expectations from girls are climbing and accelerating like this.

AsnDragon.Yes, it will not get any easier. Not so long ago the big advantage of foreigners was the thickness of our wallets. Now we are outnumbered by Chinese with even more money. The top quality is above the budget of the typical foreigner.

The good thing is that there are still a lot of Chinese girls in this country and it only takes a small percentage of them to be interested in us to makes us happy. Same for freebies. We can only access the small minority who are either curious, prefer western manners or big equipment. But even a small percentage still amounts to quite a lot of people.

Santa

01-21-12, 14:11

So these days, I'm not even sure if girls will appreciate an iphone4 anymore. Unless you are like SEAJ who's the young 29 year old, buff Swede stud who mesmerizes girls by just a simple glance from his blue eyes.

AsnDragon.Joe and I went out on the hunt at SwanLake Road. Joe picks a girl out of the first shop. The girls wanted to go with Joe for free, as usual, but the mommy insisted he pay the mommy 100rmb, just like us. Just because he has those cute baby blue eyes doesn't mean he always gets free pussy in this town.

Anyway, we go to a second shop and I pick a girl. Joe is inside the shop with me, while his girl is waiting outside. When we leave the shop we learn that Joe's girl is gone. Disappeared. Vanished! She has been kidnapped by the second shops mommy. Unbelievable! What the fuck is going on around here? Then the first shop's mommy arrives and demands her girl back. A fucking big row erupts. The two mommies screaming hell and damnation! A gang of other mommies join in, taking sides and screaming at each other. It looks like real fight might happen and we do not want to be involved. Wow!

Joe and I and my girl retreat to the safety of the restaurant across the street and watch the war through the window. Curses and screaming continued for well over an hour. Vicious bitches defending their turf. Fucking unbelievable! But it never came to blows, as we privately hoped it would. That would be great fun, to see mommies get into a cat fight.

A couple of tough guys dressed in black suits show up and the screaming mommies became even more emotional. Then more guys arrived. We counted a total of 7 screaming mommies and 8 dressed in black thugs. Then a new BMD arrived. One of those big expensive models, black with tinted windows. Some of the thugs consulted with the big boss through the window. Then things calmed down. The big chief had made his ruling. He drove away. Gradually the group faded away. A few mommies lingered on to argue about who had been right and wrong.

The 2nd Mommy had accused the 1st Mommy of stealing her girl, and so now she had claimed her back. How they resolved it we don't know.

After about 2 hours of this craziness the first mommy gave Joe back his 100rmb and we went to a different shop to find him a girl.

Jude Bright

01-21-12, 18:33

Hi guys.

I just saw this, it this true?

http://msn.ynet.com/3.1/1201/21/6722605.html

JB

AsnDragon

01-21-12, 21:17

AsnDragon

01-21-12, 21:20

Simon,

I have never been to any bars in CP before. I have been to California Red for their KTV but not for their Bar Scene. I think it's a lot different from SZ or Guangzhou. There are less foreigners in those types of places. In addition, they are literally filled with a lot of small time gangsters, local medium sized gangsters, HK gangsters etc, so it's not exactly the safest place in California Red Bar in CP, in my personal opinion.

SEAJ and Freepeaks and others suggest 18 Gongguan and also Mango. I have not been to either locations to party. But in terms of the bar scene I'm not that experienced in as the music is really loud and a person of my age cannot stand such loud noises throughout the entire evening.

AsnDragon.

Asn,

I came to CP once, September last year on a road trip with some lads from the office. We went to a hotel / sauna place where you pick the girls and throw the flower.

Honestly, this style is not my cup of tea. Although, I ended up choosing the most expensive and I guess most attractive girl, I didn't have that much fun to be honest. Small condoms and she was super thin which made sex hard for her. I laughed at her when she started dancing.

In the end, I had to cum by looking at her face and wanking! I was a beautiful face indeed.

Anyhow, I'm well over due for a DG / CP visit but will be travelling too much in Feb to do so. March would be better.

Could you take me to a KTV or a pick up bar with WGs? I've never been to a KTV before so it could be fun. Personally I prefer the bars as you never know what's going to happen, more spontaneous which I enjoy.

Sinclair

AsnDragon

01-21-12, 21:28

Santa,

Was the first room in the room directly across from the Swan Lake Hotel, where you have to cross an outside dirty kitchen where people are chopping vegetables and meat outside? That same room that use to house most of the Mommies from Silver Star back in the days? Because that room's Boss I see quite often, he's a mean Son of *****! With very strict management over his girls. He's pretty much back up by higher up gangsters around that area. But he's the most active boss around the swan lake BBS these days. I see him all the time.

Now that must have been a huge debacle to witness! Good thing they resolved it quickly because causing a commotion like that scares away customers and that's bad business for them. But what I don't quite understand is that girls are allowed to work at any room that they want to. The sole reason why girls like working at BBS is that they are not bound by any contract or major obligation to one BBS, they are allowed to freelance or go elsewhere whenever they please. Unless this one girl borrowed money from a Mommie and owes her money and then she has more of a right to try to bring her back to her room to pay off her "debt"

But back in the days, I see girls work from room to room with no problem at all. I don't see why the BBS are trying to become to strict in terms of their management and policy. The reason why girls work at BBS is because they don't want to have the obligation to work everyday and they have the option to choose not to work if they don't feel like it, that added flexibility. But once these rules and expectations are enacted on these BBS, girls will eventually feel like- if I get so much crap here why not just go to a KTV to work or other venues.

Good think you were with SEAJ and you two have good sense to get the hell out of that dangerous scene. I can just imagine some other stupid hot shot Big Swinging Dick rookie foreigner guy still hanging among that crowd being loud, obnoxious and demanding his 100 RMB back or demanding his girl in front of 8 guys dressed in black and 7 mommies.

Be careful, life is short, but in CP life is worth nothing.

AsnDragon.

Joe and I went out on the hunt at SwanLake Road. Joe picks a girl out of the first shop. The girls wanted to go with Joe for free, as usual, but the mommy insisted he pay the mommy 100rmb, just like us. Just because he has those cute baby blue eyes doesn't mean he always gets free pussy in this town.

Anyway, we go to a second shop and I pick a girl. Joe is inside the shop with me, while his girl is waiting outside. When we leave the shop we learn that Joe's girl is gone. Disappeared. Vanished! She has been kidnapped by the second shops mommy. Unbelievable! What the fuck is going on around here? Then the first shop's mommy arrives and demands her girl back. A fucking big row erupts. The two mommies screaming hell and damnation! A gang of other mommies join in, taking sides and screaming at each other. It looks like real fight might happen and we do not want to be involved. Wow!

Joe and I and my girl retreat to the safety of the restaurant across the street and watch the war through the window. Curses and screaming continued for well over an hour. Vicious bitches defending their turf. Fucking unbelievable! But it never came to blows, as we privately hoped it would. That would be great fun, to see mommies get into a cat fight.

A couple of tough guys dressed in black suits show up and the screaming mommies became even more emotional. Then more guys arrived. We counted a total of 7 screaming mommies and 8 dressed in black thugs. Then a new BMD arrived. One of those big expensive models, black with tinted windows. Some of the thugs consulted with the big boss through the window. Then things calmed down. The big chief had made his ruling. He drove away. Gradually the group faded away. A few mommies lingered on to argue about who had been right and wrong.

The 2nd Mommy had accused the 1st Mommy of stealing her girl, and so now she had claimed her back. How they resolved it we don't know.

After about 2 hours of this craziness the first mommy gave Joe back his 100rmb and we went to a different shop to find him a girl.

Weelock

01-21-12, 23:13

Jude Bright,

This type of CNY clean up happens every year! Yes the article does say Dongguan, but Dongguan is so big it does not specify which town within Dongguan City? But chances are less likely, NOT unlikely that this did not occur in CP. CP has a lot of backing from higher up for it to remain less disturbed than other towns in Dongguan.

But do be safe when mongering nevertheless.

AsnDragon.My first impression would be a sauna in a basement in Macau. It looks a little like Sanado in Macau. If you look at the other pages, you will notice the low ceiling. On the other hand, what is confusing is the article saying it's in Dongguan. So, I must be wrong.

Yes, I agree, Dongguan District area is big. It takes about 1 to 1. 5 hours to get from one part to the other in Dongguan.

These places getting raided all the time, even in CP but I don't recognized any of the pictures of a place in CP.

Weelock

01-22-12, 00:57

Jude Bright,

This type of CNY clean up happens every year! Yes the article does say Dongguan, but Dongguan is so big it does not specify which town within Dongguan City? But chances are less likely, NOT unlikely that this did not occur in CP. CP has a lot of backing from higher up for it to remain less disturbed than other towns in Dongguan.

But do be safe when mongering nevertheless.

AsnDragon.I found the information on another site also. Sorry I my Chinese is not the greatest. It says Dongguan City.

http://news.2500sz.com/news/sh/shxw/2012/1/21/1292745.shtml

'&21313; &19975; &23567; &22992; &36212; &23725; &21335; &65292; &30334; &19975; &23254; &23458; &19979; &19996; &33694; '&65292; &36825; &21477; &27969; &20256; &29978; &24191; &30340; &27573; &23376; &65292; &25104; &20026; &23500; &35029; &30340; &19996; &33694; &22312; &27665; &38388; &30340; &21478; &19968; &24418; &35937;

Strange I tried to cut and paste the article to ISG but garbage came out.....with & and numbers

Santa

01-22-12, 06:41

Dragon, I do not understand the inner workings of the bbs. I used to think like you, that the girls could come and go as they liked, could switch to a different shop whenever they pleased, or just quit whenever she wants. Joe says no, they are owned by the shop and obligated to work for that shop. They cannot quit whenever they want. He says the shops trade girls at a price. So, maybe it's similar to how football players belong to a club and are traded.

I had thoughts about asking a girl to quit working at a shop for a few weeks, or a few months, and come live with me. I would pay her privately. Joe and his friend Larry laughed at the idea and said "no fucking way you idiot, they will have a gang of guys at your door demanding you pay up". I would have to rent her directly from the shop or buy her out at a very high price. Like I said, I do not know what goes on behind their closed doors or how the system works. But, it seems, the girls are free to go home for the New Year and I assume they are free to just go to another town. It seems that when she works for a shop there is some kind of contractual verbal agreement that she will only work for that shop and will not work for others or work privately.

The shop you refer to was the 2nd shop, that's where the girl was snatched and held. The first shop was the next one back with only a few girls.

That was a bad way for the mommies to behave in front of customers and others. They should have let the girls go with the customers, and then resolved their dispute in private.

Santa,

Was the first room in the room directly across from the Swan Lake Hotel, where you have to cross an outside dirty kitchen where people are chopping vegetables and meat outside? That same room that use to house most of the Mommies from Silver Star back in the days? Because that room's Boss I see quite often, he's a mean Son of * With very strict management over his girls. He's pretty much back up by higher up gangsters around that area. But he's the most active boss around the swan lake BBS these days. I see him all the time.

Now that must have been a huge debacle to witness! Good thing they resolved it quickly because causing a commotion like that scares away customers and that's bad business for them. But what I don't quite understand is that girls are allowed to work at any room that they want to. The sole reason why girls like working at BBS is that they are not bound by any contract or major obligation to one BBS, they are allowed to freelance or go elsewhere whenever they please. Unless this one girl borrowed money from a Mommie and owes her money and then she has more of a right to try to bring her back to her room to pay off her "debt"

But back in the days, I see girls work from room to room with no problem at all. I don't see why the BBS are trying to become to strict in terms of their management and policy. The reason why girls work at BBS is because they don't want to have the obligation to work everyday and they have the option to choose not to work if they don't feel like it, that added flexibility. But once these rules and expectations are enacted on these BBS, girls will eventually feel like- if I get so much crap here why not just go to a KTV to work or other venues.

Good think you were with SEAJ and you two have good sense to get the hell out of that dangerous scene. I can just imagine some other stupid hot shot Big Swinging Dick rookie foreigner guy still hanging among that crowd being loud, obnoxious and demanding his 100 RMB back or demanding his girl in front of 8 guys dressed in black and 7 mommies.

Be careful, life is short, but in CP life is worth nothing.

AsnDragon.

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 09:22

Santa Santa Santa!

Let me take a stab at reporting what we did last Friday!

Been a while since I actually did up a full report anyways – and perhaps it's appropriate as we go off to a NEW YEAR! And hopefully informative / entertaining as I hope to show the 'other side' of the coin about Chang Ping. Just too many glowing reports on CP here!

Ahhh YES, a NEW YEAR coming up!

And as much problems as I had last year (starting with a bad traffic accident I caused at 11 PM right on CNY eve last year) I really wanted to get rid of all my bad luck during the New Year of the Dragon!

To Saai Laat Tat (cleanse off all dirt and bad luck) so to call.

And when a chance came up for me to make it up to Chang Ping, welllll, didn't need no second thoughts at all and off I was on the train Friday!

Amazingly, with the Lowu border crossing chock-a-block with all sorts of travelers going up to celebrate the Chinese New Year in China, I actually was able to make the journey from Hunghom to CP station within 95 minutes! Good Show I thought, and must be a good omen, I told myself! But I really wished that I had been able to take the direct train as it was really a mad house at the Lowu border crossing; unfortunately seats for the 2:47 train were all sold out!

Had a few errands to run when I first arrived but by 5 PM I was raring to go and got Santa to go on a BBS chicken run with me, reasoning that with most of the gals gone, the KTV's and the saunas would probably NOT be a good choice. Poked into Virgin Sauna and the manager actually even told me that there's not that many gals, so I just left. KTV was also out as I reason that it'the only give me one chance to get a great gal that evening, and KTV's just needs too many hours! On top of everything else, the way prices are these days at CP KTV's, I thought NOT worth it as I only had this one night to really Saai Laat Tat!

Now I don't know if its really a lot of gals or just a case of not enough demand, as I did notice the dearth of mongers in the restaurants, DVD shops or even just walking around the streets etc, but the BBS's were really all well stocked! Especially as it WAS a Friday night! Didn't take me long to find my honey for the night and I figured that since there were so many gals, I'the make the deal with the mommies that I usually make with them during slower weekdays. Continued/

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 09:25

The 'walk-in' price nowadays for a BBS gal at the Swan Lake Road area is 250 ST and 600 LT, but since the mommies knows me, they let me get away with just paying 200 for short time (I don't usually like overnighters with gals I just met anyway, so never discussed the LT rate). Anyway, on slower weekdays I usually make a deal to get the gal out for the evening to allow me time to first take them to dinner, footy, movies, KTV, whatever, pop them once and then send them off by around midnight for RMB 300. Well, this was the deal I made for my hunny for the night and then proceeded to go off to another BBS to allow Santa to also choose a girl, as he hadn't gotten one yet. Went in and bumped into a gal that I did going back to 2009! REALLY! You see, I was going through my old SD cards the day before, to see if any of them still had space for me to use. Well I had this SD card in my camera and soon as I saw her, I immediately recognized her (and she I) and told her 'Christ, you're still around? After what, close to 3 years? ' That is the sad fate of too many gals in CP, starting out with dreams of being able to just make enough money and then get out of the life, only to meet one disaster or another that forces them to stay way beyond what they had originally intended. Sad, so sad actually. Anyway we had a few laughs with her looking at some of the pictures I took of her that many years ago! Amazing coincidence!

We were in that shop for at least 15 minutes or so whilst she looked through her pictures and having a good laugh plus I also had to negotiate a deal for Santa. Anyway, by the time I went back outside – Horror!. I couldn't find the gal I had chosen (and paid the mommy RMB 100 for). Totally vanished! And I was thinking WTF? That was when I heard a commotion: 2 mommies arguing and cursing each other out loudly, and it was about the gal I had chosen. Apparently this gal had just recently 'jumped ship' from one BBS to another and her old mommy had basically locked her up! 2 mommies arguing about whose gal she is, then 4 then more joined in and that's when I told them 'Whoa Whoa, you guys settle this between yourself, I'll go to the Swan lake hotel coffee shop and when it's settled, you come and get me'

And I was cursing myself – OH NO, not AGAIN! This really had been a crap year for me – this happened to me at the beginning of the year!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1628-South-China-Dongguan&p=1116960&highlight=Hong+Kwai#post1116960

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 09:27

Anyway, Santa, his new found love of life and I sat at the window seats of the coffee shop and watched. Half wanting to see some tussles happening and half hoping that it really does not flare up too badly. Fun and games. But we really didn't want to see actual vicious injuries etc! Anyway, we overheard all sorts of shouting and then more 'reinforcements' arriving and at one point I counted at least 8 mommies and 14 big guys, (I counted Santa! And Git yourself new glasses will ya?) all dressed in Chang Ping gangster black, with my gal crying and right smack in the center being pulled at one point by one group and at another by the other group. This went on for a good part of an hour until a great big black BMW X5 SUV rolled up; everybody surrounded it with its windows open and within a minute they all dispersed. Just like that! I guess the big boss laid down the word and it was over! Sorry for the quality of the pictures – but I had to take these pixs from behind the coffee shop glass windows without any flash!

My mommy then motioned for me to come over – and miracles of miracles – she actually handed me my RMB 100 back! I asked about my gal and the original mommy told me not to worry about her – this was a 'Hong Kwai' matter but that the girl herself has got to figure out a way to pay her way out to one of the mommies. Yup – that is how these things work. That. Is the ugly truth behind these chirpy happy faces at the BBS's – that for all intent and purposes, these gals do get 'indentured' to their mommies and for them to be able to go over from one BBS to another, they need to buy themselves out. The last time I heard, this 'transfer fee' that the gal got to pay the original mommy is something like RMB 3, 000; that's at least 20-30 guys she got to do gratis just to transfer from one BBS to another. Sigh!

Man I didn't want to know any further and I was literally off in a flash. Eeerrr, just another chink on my self deceiving shining armor! So much for the 'Gentleman' that I thought of myself most times! Sigh!

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 09:30

Anyway we then just went off to the BBS behind the Legend Café/next to Nga Tau hotel, as it was a bit removed from those alleyway BBS's. Enough of those alleyway BBS's! Walked in to about 20 in each of the rooms. Great selection again and I had no problems choosing my second love of my life for the night! And a perfect Cantonese speaker to boot, even though she's from Szechuan! Had a bloke from Hong Kong keeping her for a year, that's how she picked her Cantonese up. Makes it so much easier for me to be with a Cantonese speaking gal as my Putonghua really sucks egg! Pretty hard to come off all romantic and suave / debonair when my accent too many times just brings laughter instead!

I won't tell you her real name, but somehow it tickled my fancy and I crowned her 'Lemon Tea' the whole night! Picked her and the 4 of us then headed back to Santa's apartment as he needed to feed his fish! Really. He needed to feed his fish. And so we were at his apartment and as I was trying to pick my way around the mess and allow us some seating (Christ Santa! At least pick the Reindeer droppings up periodically!) Lemon Tea saw a nice loaf of French bread and proceeded to make us some really nice Fried toast. Never had French bread treated that way, but it was really delicious! A regular Little Miss Home-maker!

We then went down to the Legend Footsy and that was when I noticed that this gal is really a 'take charge' type of gal, but nicely, as she was at the same time pampering and indulged me all night long. A nice combination and to top it all off, I really do think that she is a very good looking girl, and I'm a real sucker for a pretty face. Perfect! And it gets better! I just happened to see that she had a tag in her bag and when I asked her what that was, she told me that it's her Mayflower KTV tag. WOT? Yup, she's actually a Mayflower KYTV gal, but her mommy there had gone home for the CNY and she couldn't work without a Mommy; so she was just free-lancing at the BBS until her mommy gets back on the third day of the CNY. What LUCK! I was very happy as I was thinking, Woo Hoo! My luck's turning at last! To get a 3-6-10 gal for RMB 300 all night long! It wasn't just the money, but the very fact that I chanced on such a good deal, this MUST be a good omen for me for next year!

After the Legend Footy, another friend joined us and we decided to go to the Singing Dragon veggie KTV around the corner, just to knock back a few brews, play some games and guess what, lemon Tea is a fabulous singer! Oh WOW, I really am lucking out ain't I? Yup, my luck's turning alright! And listen to THIS! Here I was grabbing her all over the place and when I got to her nipples, she went a bit wild and whispered in my ears breathlessly NOT to do that! Panting, she tells me that anytime she gets her nipples stimulated, she gets all horny and really needed to get it on! Silly girl, to tell me THAT and for me not to toy with her some more!

Continued/

AsnDragon

01-22-12, 09:30

Santa,

Joe is a trustworthy source, but not his friend Larry though. Larry hasn't been in this hobby for a long time.

Now I think that it's different for every girl.

Case number 1:

A girl is youthful and naive and gets tricked by her boyfriend when she's working at a factory. The boyfriend introduces her to the BBS to work so they can "get married." The boyfriend then gets a fee or money from the Mommies at the shop. As a result the girl is tricked into working at the BBS and she is required to pay off the money they gave her boyfriend who most likely already spent all of it on drugs or having fun. Once the girl figures out that she's been tricked into this trade, she is responsible to work off the payment her boyfriend received to get out of the BBS.

Case Number 2:

Girl works in factory falls in love with deadbeat BF. BF tricks her into this trade. However BF does not receive any payment from Mommie, but just introduces her to the BBS. Girl works at BBS for a while until she realizes she's being used by the boyfriend. Boyfriend is a deadbeat with no job skills so treatens to beat her up if she stops working at the BBS and does not bring back enough money for him to spend.

In this scenario Joe is right, if you paid her on the side and not through the Mommie, then her boyfriend along with his young group of thugs will try to hunt you down because you have stolen his only source of income.

Case Number 3:

Girl is recruited by a Mommie to come and earn quick cash at a BBS. But she's straight out from a factory and she has no money at all. Mommie is nice to lend her money to get back on her feet. But this requires quite a lot of money. Rent, makeup fees, new clothing, money for food etc. So it could be initially 2, 000 RMB. When and if business is bad or she's not a good looking gal, she cannot repay back the mommie and borrows more money from the mommie so she is more indebted to her than before and the money she owes the Mommie could balloon up to 5, 000 RMB or more. So in this case she would have to work it off at the BBS until her total debt is paid off. If she runs or goes somewhere else obviously she is going to be pissed that the girl still owes her money and does not help her out and work at her BBS.

Case Number 4:

Lump Sum Borrowing. Some of the girls that have family emergencies with a family member in the hospital needs to come up with 10, 000 or 20, 000 RMB. They don't have that kind of money so they basically borrow from Gangsters that in turn sell them back into the BBS trade. I've only come across one of these girls over the years. So she's basically indebted to the BBS until her full payment is paid off. This is the worst because most gangsters charge high interest rates on the money they lend up to 10% a month.

Case Number 5:

Tricked by friends and inheriting debt. There's been times where girls are tricked by their boyfriends or close friends. This case begins with WG's boyfriend or friend needing to borrow money due to a "incident back home" Friend or boyfriend promises to pay them back and then one day skips town. The girl is then responsible for this debt because she is associated to the friend and or boyfriend. So she has to stay behind the BBS to pay off their friend's or boyfriend's Debt. So in essence she inherits a debt that she never even got to use the money.

Basically there's so many cases of these incidences happening. Basically in the end WG get screwed over the most. Some are owned by the BBS due to borrowing money, but at least half of them are there on their own free will and can leave whenever they want to. Many of the girls are freelancers and have that right to go home or exit out whenever they choose to. However, the ones that owe a debt in the following cases, are basically owned by the BBS until its paid off. It's a dirty worls out there, but that's how China has always been. Hundreds of years ago in China, women were sold into the trade by family members who needed money. Most of the girls before didn't have a choice. They could only get out of their contract as a WG until they paid off their family's debt or contract with the prostitute house. Unless she finds a rich man to pay it off for her she has to work until everything's paid off. So basically, China's culture really has not changed that much. The only difference is that there's probably more girls these days that don't mind being a WG than back a few hundred years ago in China.

AsnDragon.

Dragon, I do not understand the inner workings of the bbs. I used to think like you, that the girls could come and go as they liked, could switch to a different shop whenever they pleased, or just quit whenever she wants. Joe says no, they are owned by the shop and obligated to work for that shop. They cannot quit whenever they want. He says the shops trade girls at a price. So, maybe it's similar to how football players belong to a club and are traded.

I had thoughts about asking a girl to quit working at a shop for a few weeks, or a few months, and come live with me. I would pay her privately. Joe and his friend Larry laughed at the idea and said "no fucking way you idiot, they will have a gang of guys at your door demanding you pay up". I would have to rent her directly from the shop or buy her out at a very high price. Like I said, I do not know what goes on behind their closed doors or how the system works. But, it seems, the girls are free to go home for the New Year and I assume they are free to just go to another town. It seems that when she works for a shop there is some kind of contractual verbal agreement that she will only work for that shop and will not work for others or work privately.

The shop you refer to was the 2nd shop, that's where the girl was snatched and held. The first shop was the next one back with only a few girls.

That was a bad way for the mommies to behave in front of customers and others. They should have let the girls go with the customers, and then resolved their dispute in private.

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 09:32

Nice and horny, we headed back to my place with her actually dry humping me in the lift; genuinely too I got to tell why'all, as her face was all flushed whilst doing so. Incredible! Ages since I'the had a gal who was so turned on even before we'the start anything! And of course we couldn't wait to get our clothes off, which was when a BIG let down occurred. She was in my eyes gorgeous, but when clothes were off, I thought 'Uggh, what an ugly body! A really REALLY ugly body – as if she had either been pregnant or had previously been 30 lbs heavier and had slimmed down. 'And her body was all flabby and with all sorts of folds! UUUGGHH! Worse, her skin had splotches too. Another ugly underbelly of CP! I couldn't believe that such a pretty gal could have such an ugly Body- and I tell You, even her quite large titties was just hanging down when out of her bra! YOWICH!

But being the gentleman that I hope I am most times, I soldiered on, took a nice shower together with all sorts of body rubbing and kissing and snogging and even her giving me a very nice water BBJ. Off to the bed and I don't know man. I just couldn't keep the little Swede up. I just about never have any problems getting it up when I've not had sex for a day or two and as pretty as I had thought she was, I never even imagined having to have actually wished that I had taken some chemical assistance that evening. Jeez!

But ForCrissakes, this time I really wished that I had taken something or another. What a disaster! She blew me some more and managed to at least get me hard enough for her to give me an acceptable cow girl; well, actually it was quite a bit better performance than just 'acceptable' as she really got into it. Fingered her clit whilst she was riding me and I'm pretty sure that I managed to make her come a few times, as she just about broke Li'l Sean off a few times when she was bucking and grinding. And then. The inevitable of course happened. I lost it again!

And so it was off with the 'dom and her head bucking up and down whilst trying to inspire the li'l Swede to come to life. And boy, actually she does have quite an amazing slurpy wet technique! It was DAMN good and she managed to get me off, but unfortunately, not CIM and I ended up shooting off all over her face. Now I KNOW that some guys like this, but I don't really get off giving facials to gals. Just a bit too demeaning IMHO and I was plenty apologetic for having plastered her face with my jism. But she was a real good sport and told me not to worry about it, that she's just glad that I got off. What a sweetheart – just wish that her body would be better! Oh well, cain't have everything each time can I? LOL!

So whaddya guys think? Do you think my luck's going to turn for the better during the Year of the Dragon?

And BTW – new year, new handle – whaddya guys think?

Kung Hey Fat Choy to you all!

SEAJ.

SEAN.

SEAN Sweet Swede.

Truly an SSS!

AsnDragon

01-22-12, 09:48

SEAJ,

Happy Chinese New Years, A New Year with New Luck!

Seems like you hit off the year of the Dragon pretty well! You got yourself a cute, pampering sichuan KTV girl all for a fraction of the price of KTV pricing. I bet you had a wondrous time fondling her nipples all night long! It's strange to see that all of the BBS are well stocked with 20 girls or more. I would think that usually around this time period CP is dead with most venues around town. I guess I am wrong this year! If I had known I would have come on over to party with you and Santa.

It's funny because at the Dragon veggie KTV, all the girls love all the snack / junk food that they have there. Every time I take girls there it's like heaven for them as they just go on a junk food binge and take and buy everything they see there. Always a nice budget place to party when you are doing some GFE with a BBS gal. Last time I was there I took a Swan lake Footie girl there. I really liked her at the time, but apparently she didn't give me a chance to get into her pants. Boo Hoo!

Glad you and Santa had a great time! I think this year is going to be a good year! Sorry that you didn't really like your girl's body all that much. It's not the best looking body, but honestly, It's not the worst! I've seen some of they pictures of the girls that you have done before and there are ones that look even worse than her. But she probably had a kid before and thus she has those flaps of excess skin on her belly. Breasts seem droopy but not that droopy.

Just think of it this way, at least she gave you excellent service- that counts for something. They worst is when you find a girl who's not good looking and gives you bad service. But at least she seemed to be a good sport and a hard worker in bed. It's hard to find that type of girl in CP anymore these days. So consider yourself lucky still.

BTW-- I miss your long lengthy full reports with pictures. Brings back the spirit of ISG Dongguan like how it use to be 7-8 years ago.

AsnDragon.

Anyway we then just went off to the BBS behind the Legend Café/next to Nga Tau hotel, as it was a bit removed from those alleyway BBS's. Enough of those alleyway BBS's! Walked in to about 20 in each of the rooms. Great selection again and I had no problems choosing my second love of my life for the night! And a perfect Cantonese speaker to boot, even though she's from Szechuan! Had a bloke from Hong Kong keeping her for a year, that's how she picked her Cantonese up. Makes it so much easier for me to be with a Cantonese speaking gal as my Putonghua really sucks egg! Pretty hard to come off all romantic and suave / debonair when my accent too many times just brings laughter instead!

I won't tell you her real name, but somehow it tickled my fancy and I crowned her 'Lemon Tea' the whole night! Picked her and the 4 of us then headed back to Santa's apartment as he needed to feed his fish! Really. He needed to feed his fish. And so we were at his apartment and as I was trying to pick my way around the mess and allow us some seating (Christ Santa! At least pick the Reindeer droppings up periodically!) Lemon Tea saw a nice loaf of French bread and proceeded to make us some really nice Fried toast. Never had French bread treated that way, but it was really delicious! A regular Little Miss Home-maker!

We then went down to the Legend Footsy and that was when I noticed that this gal is really a 'take charge' type of gal, but nicely, as she was at the same time pampering and indulged me all night long. A nice combination and to top it all off, I really do think that she is a very good looking girl, and I'm a real sucker for a pretty face. Perfect! And it gets better! I just happened to see that she had a tag in her bag and when I asked her what that was, she told me that it's her Mayflower KTV tag. WOT? Yup, she's actually a Mayflower KYTV gal, but her mommy there had gone home for the CNY and she couldn't work without a Mommy; so she was just free-lancing at the BBS until her mommy gets back on the third day of the CNY. What LUCK! I was very happy as I was thinking, Woo Hoo! My luck's turning at last! To get a 3-6-10 gal for RMB 300 all night long! It wasn't just the money, but the very fact that I chanced on such a good deal, this MUST be a good omen for me for next year!

After the Legend Footy, another friend joined us and we decided to go to the Singing Dragon veggie KTV around the corner, just to knock back a few brews, play some games and guess what, lemon Tea is a fabulous singer! Oh WOW, I really am lucking out ain't I? Yup, my luck's turning alright! And listen to THIS! Here I was grabbing her all over the place and when I got to her nipples, she went a bit wild and whispered in my ears breathlessly NOT to do that! Panting, she tells me that anytime she gets her nipples stimulated, she gets all horny and really needed to get it on! Silly girl, to tell me THAT and for me not to toy with her some more!

Continued/

Santa

01-22-12, 15:19

I just couldn't keep the little Swede up.

And BTW – new year, new handle – whaddya guys think?

Kung Hey Fat Choy to you all!

SEAJ.

SEAN.

SEAN Sweet Swede.

Truly an SSS!I introduced Joe to a friend of mine who is a professional languages expert. He privately told me that Joe is faking the Swedish accent and is really an Irishman. Ok Joe, knock off that Swedish bullshit. Sean the Sweet Swede my arse!

Santa

01-22-12, 15:40

Santa,

Some are owned by the BBS due to borrowing money, but at least half of them are there on their own free will and can leave whenever they want to. Many of the girls are freelancers and have that right to go home or exit out whenever they choose to. However, the ones that owe a debt in the following cases, are basically owned by the BBS until its paid off.

AsnDragon.So if she does not owe any debt, and there is no boyfriend lurking in the shadow, am I safe to do her and pay her privately?

If she has debt, and I give her enough to pay it off, is she then free to go join me privately if she wants to?

The mommie would pissed off, because she has lost a girl and a customer.

SE Asia Joe

01-22-12, 17:02

I introduced Joe to a friend of mine who is a professional languages expert. He privately told me that Joe is faking the Swedish accent and is really an Irishman. Ok Joe, knock off that Swedish bullshit. Sean the Sweet Swede my arse!OK Santa. I've got a question just right up your alley!

And BTW what do you guys think about my new moniker?

You see, with Christmas just passed, I started to think of Mary and Joseph.

Nice married couple huh?

But she was still a virgin? HUH?

And then she was all knocked up.

And good ole Joseph, just took it all in stride?

HUH?

What was the guy THINKING?

And so. A new year. A new moniker!

More in line with my own self image!

LOL!

SEAN.

Sean Sweet Swede.

No more Joe!

No more SEAJ!

Mmlouie

01-22-12, 17:44

SEAN Sweet Swede.She's not that bad, is she? Perhaps next time just do her with clothes on. SSS!

Mmlouie

AsnDragon

01-22-12, 23:29

Freepeaks

01-23-12, 03:25

You have to admit that when you are in the heat of the moment, deeply infatuated with a girl, you'd wish to have them for a whole week. Look at how deeply you were into Rockstar? But then again like with every WG, things in CP change quick. You don't see them for a couple months and they are a different person. Even now you wouldn't really want to be with Rockstar anymore because you think she's weird now and a bit overweight too.

So keep things fresh and switch to a new girl, unless that one girl you are with has this deep connection and good chemistry with you. But even at that, how long can that feeling last for right? It's only a matter of time when you end up switching to a new gal.

[QUOTE=Freepeaks; 1237086]There are few exceptions to the need to switch them, there are girls I have seen for years for a day or two, but I don't return to see them a week. Recently I had Tokyo, kept for 3 days, returned home chatted alot and saw her and well she had hardened. The problem I think is that I like them when they still have some of the naivety they are new (less than 6 months, usually less than 2 months) in CP and aren't so hardened and cash hungry. Once you go and return in 3 months they've lost the new car smell.

Rockstar wasn't new just fun and even she isn't the party girl she used to be and definitely she didn't need to gain a few lbs. She was already 'athletic' and womanly not skinny.

You can and do find friends you like to see and do over and over again, you fall somewhere between friend and good customer and it is fun. Sometimes I will see former

Friends on the rag in KTV and sit them just to catch up knowing I also picked the fresh meat.

Freepeaks

01-23-12, 04:14

Santa,

Some girls are free to do what they choose. But it's hard to deceipher who is bound to a contract or who is not. However if they are free, they are free to spend a month with you or however long they choose to. The Mommies will be pissed when and if they see her and you together. Mommies being cut out of the deal pisses them off too. They lose money on both ends, from you and the girl. While most Mommies will not do much about it except be angry, I know of some Mommies that are mean bitches that will try to retaliate against the girl.Girls should pretty much let you know if they can do multiple days or not. I picked one last time that I wanted to keep for days but always wanted to leave in early morning, I suspect a boyfriend. That isn't fun and additionally if you have an apartment or room you think the bf can get to best not to keep a bbs too long.

Other times I've had a bbs girl who would come on call and was just cool to hang out with. Good lay and fun to chill with is nice to find.

1. A girl that needs to leave by 2-6am, either is living with family (most will tell you perhaps their parents work at factory, etc.) , or have a BF. Having family.

Is ok but that ruins your overnight when they flee at crack of dawn or earlier. Having a bf on the side means also ruins your fantasy world and the morning fun. Besides lowers safety.

2. Freelancers. Seem to come from KTV for extra work, or couldn't take the KTV drinking, rarely new from factories. They usually will accompany you for days. Most will cut mommie in on fees if they don't show. Mommies appear to have more control now and muscle to back it.

3. In debtors. Definitely there are a few girls that have borrowed from mommie or borrowed and lent to BF or other. They likely will not say this is the situation as it is quite embarassing to them.

Note there are alot of girls in the CP during CNY.

Reasons.

1. They can't afford to go home (I know one japanese looking mayflower girl that said she doesn't have enough saved to go home. Needed 12k +)

2. Home isn't good. They don't like their family or their family doesn't like them. Either way they would rather be with their friends.

3. Too expensive. Sometimes they go in late February when airfare and train tickets are cheaper but customers aren't quite back in full steam.

Like summer.

CP girls are definitely at the most fun levels in March. May with all the new influx of money seekers coming with their friends. Farm fresh.

Maxkwalat

01-23-12, 05:15

Jacher

01-23-12, 10:31

CP girls are definitely at the most fun levels in March. May with all the new influx of money seekers coming with their friends. Farm fresh.Freepeaks I hope you have right because we already bought tickets and we arrive to CP 20th of March.

So see you there.

Jacher.

[member of Polish crew]

SE Asia Joe

01-23-12, 10:57

SEAJ,

It's funny because at the Dragon veggie KTV, all the girls love all the snack / junk food that they have there. Every time I take girls there it's like heaven for them as they just go on a junk food binge and take and buy everything they see there. Always a nice budget place to party when.

BTW- I miss your long lengthy full reports with pictures. Brings back the spirit of ISG Dongguan like how it use to be 7-8 years ago.

AsnDragon.You ain't a-kiddin' when you say that the gals love the snacks!

Had to do something when we got to the KTV that I left frickin Santa with the gals to get the drinks and snacks.

And he actually let them get back with MORE snacks than drinks!

And we had drinks left over at the end of the evening, that's how much he let the gals pick up!

On the "transfer fees" that mommies insist from girls. Actually its usually NOT even actual debts that the gals have with them that gets levied.

Once a girl walks in or get recruited into a BBS, the mommie basically "owns" her and whether the girl agrees to it or not. As soon as she wants to go over to another "house" she'll be told. "No, you do that, you pay me RMB 3, 000 (or whatever the amount). You don't pay, anytime and each time I see you, I'll beat you up. Your choice."

You want to get out of the trade, fine. You want to go home, fine, but don't ever let me or any of my crew ever catch you around here. Whether working for another BBS, or a Sauna or a KTV or even being "packaged" by somebody. And the reason is that if you do so, you'll take away MY customers away. Even if its being "packaged" as the guy that packages you is MY customer!

And its this being "packaged" when mommies makes most money, cause that's when the "packager" needs to negotiate the amount with the mommy.

SEAN

Santa

01-23-12, 12:40

You ain't a-kiddin' when you say that the gals love the snacks!

Had to do something when we got to the KTV that I left frickin Santa with the gals to get the drinks and snacks.

And he actually let them get back with MORE snacks than drinks!

And we had drinks left over at the end of the evening, that's how much he let the gals pick up!

On the "transfer fees" that mommies insist from girls. Actually its usually NOT even actual debts that the gals have with them that gets levied.

Once a girl walks in or get recruited into a BBS, the mommie basically "owns" her and whether the girl agrees to it or not. As soon as she wants to go over to another "house" she'll be told."No, you do that, you pay me RMB 3, 000 (or whatever the amount). You don't pay, anytime and each time I see you, I'll beat you up. Your choice."

You want to get out of the trade, fine. You want to go home, fine, but don't ever let me or any of my crew ever catch you around here. Whether working for another BBS, or a Sauna or a KTV or even being "packaged" by somebody. And the reason is that if you do so, you'll take away MY customers away. Even if its being "packaged" as the guy that packages you is MY customer!

And its this being "packaged" when mommies makes most money, cause that's when the "packager" needs to negotiate the amount with the mommy.

SEANIt's true,"fricking Santa" is the village idiot. When my little head gets the blood flow my big head is broken. Not enough for both. Wode nao zi huai le!

When the girls walked into the KTV snack shop the service girl grabbed a shopping cart and quickly helped them stuff it with useless crap. I had my back turned because I was looking at the drinks. When I went to the cash register I saw what they had and made them put half of it back.

Ok, so who is right about these bbs girls? Are they free to go, to do as they please? Anybody else have a view or experience to share?

Santa

01-23-12, 12:47

I am thinking about coming down to CP in the next couple of days and hope to meet up with some members here to party. I was under the impression that there might be very limited or non existent action in CP, but from "Sean's" report, it seem there are still action in CP. I was wondering if anyone knows if Saunas and KTV will be closed during this holiday. I understand there might be less girls but as long as there are still some, and good ones then its better than where I am right now.

Cheers everyone and Happy CNY!The shops were very busy today with lots of local guys getting some New Year pussy. A lot more local guys lately shopping for fun. So today it was slim pickings and rushed service. And, get this, the mommies want 200 up front instead of the usual 100. I reluctantly paid her 150. Mommy tells me 2 hrs is ok. Girl tells me blowjob of course is included. In my room the girl insists she doesn't blow, and after 30 minutes mommy is on the phone screaming at the girl to hurry back, right now! The girl wants more. Taxi drivers also want more. Happy New Year bah friggin humbug!

Don't know about the KTV and sauna situation.

Couldn't sleep last night with the friggin fireworks pounding away. It's like a bloody war zone.

I'm still in CP. If you or anybody else wants to hook up just send me a PM.

PS. Where the hell is MY red envelope? I was expecting one from our babyfaced, blue-eyed, Swedish boy Joe. Or is he really Irish Sean? He gave me nada! Net! Bu Xing!

Nobody gives a damn about Santa! :(

AsnDragon

01-23-12, 20:54

I personally have witnessed a Hui Mei BBS girl come all he way to Swan Lake BBS and she was only at the job over in Hui Mei BBS for a week. She was a newbie. So I can see that Mommies will give threats to the girls, but I think most of them are idle threats. Unless you straight in their face jump ship to a BBS that is so obviously next to each other. But girls go work at Saunas and KTVs all the time, with no problems that come to them.

In fact most girls just say they are DJs now and they no longer want to service customers. To make their previous Mommies happy, they will tell them,"I'm sorry I don't want to work for you, but since you have been such a great sister to me, I'll try to help you recruit another girl from my village or some girl from KTV when I'm working there" This line usually makes the Mommies happy.

THe less daring girls will get scared of mommie and comply to their threats. So some mommies will tell them "well you can leave, but you need to help recruit another girl to replace you." So some girls will recruit or trick their friends into this trade so that the verbal agreement is negated. So that's why some girls you see at BBS are bitter that their good friend tricked them into this trade.

Chances are, if BBS girl gets out of BBS, then they should stay away from those mommies to not complicate things. But I think they are free to go though, in my personal experience unless they owe mommie money from before.

Little Leaf Mommie is the meanest Mommies I have seen. Man I once saw her yell at her girls so harshly, I was even scared. They call her: Tiger Woman.

AsnDragon.

You ain't a-kiddin' when you say that the gals love the snacks!

Had to do something when we got to the KTV that I left frickin Santa with the gals to get the drinks and snacks.

And he actually let them get back with MORE snacks than drinks!

And we had drinks left over at the end of the evening, that's how much he let the gals pick up!

On the "transfer fees" that mommies insist from girls. Actually its usually NOT even actual debts that the gals have with them that gets levied.

Once a girl walks in or get recruited into a BBS, the mommie basically "owns" her and whether the girl agrees to it or not. As soon as she wants to go over to another "house" she'll be told."No, you do that, you pay me RMB 3, 000 (or whatever the amount). You don't pay, anytime and each time I see you, I'll beat you up. Your choice."

You want to get out of the trade, fine. You want to go home, fine, but don't ever let me or any of my crew ever catch you around here. Whether working for another BBS, or a Sauna or a KTV or even being "packaged" by somebody. And the reason is that if you do so, you'll take away MY customers away. Even if its being "packaged" as the guy that packages you is MY customer!

And its this being "packaged" when mommies makes most money, cause that's when the "packager" needs to negotiate the amount with the mommy.

SEAN

AsnDragon

01-23-12, 20:57

Santa,

Everyone likes hanging out with you including SEAN. I think SEAN is reluctant to give you a red envelope because you'd end up spending it buying girls those useless snacks at the KTV. J / k.

Whenever girls go to the veggie KTV snack bar it's like a buffet to them. They figure that if they buy as much as possible, most likely you guys will let them take it home so they go on a buying binge.

Sometimes I wonder about these girls. You take them out to eat a real meal and they eat two bites and they say that are full. But when it comes to junk food and snacks they continuously eat and never stop eating like there's no tomorrow. What's the deal? Is that how they maintain their skinny figures?

AsnDragon.

The shops were very busy today with lots of local guys getting some New Year pussy. A lot more local guys lately shopping for fun. So today it was slim pickings and rushed service. And, get this, the mommies want 200 up front instead of the usual 100. I reluctantly paid her 150. Mommy tells me 2 hrs is ok. Girl tells me blowjob of course is included. In my room the girl insists she doesn't blow, and after 30 minutes mommy is on the phone screaming at the girl to hurry back, right now! The girl wants more. Taxi drivers also want more. Happy New Year bah friggin humbug!

Don't know about the KTV and sauna situation.

Couldn't sleep last night with the friggin fireworks pounding away. It's like a bloody war zone.

I'm still in CP. If you or anybody else wants to hook up just send me a PM.

PS. Where the hell is MY red envelope? I was expecting one from our babyfaced, blue-eyed, Swedish boy Joe. Or is he really Irish Sean? He gave me nada! Net! Bu Xing!

Nobody gives a damn about Santa! .

SE Asia Joe

01-24-12, 05:18

Santa

01-24-12, 08:21

I want to say thanks to Joe / Sean and to AsnDragon for helping me understand the bbs situation. I need all the help I can get understanding stuff because I suffer from big head anemia. Still, little head works sometimes and that's all that really counts.

BigSwingingDick Dave sent me text explaining why I never received a hongbao,"they don't give lucky money envelopes to Rednecks". Stupid me, I should have known. Duh!

Happy New Year.

SE Asia Joe

01-24-12, 08:28

Santa

01-24-12, 11:32

Even the mommies love the blue eyed blond boy.

Doesn't he just make you want to puke! :eek:

!

OK.

Got a question for you guys.

Anybody here EVER got a Laisee / Hong Pao from a CP BBS mommy?

In fact, one from ANY mommies in CP?

Well I DID!

So THERE!

LMAO.

SEAN Sweet Swede

AsnDragon

01-24-12, 22:33

SEAN,

What gives huh? I never got an red envelope from any Mommie. Just out of curiosity how much did they give you anyhow?

So let me get this straight, you get 50 RMB discount off of the 250 RMB regular rate that everyone else has to pay and now you also get some red envelope lucky money from the mommies? That's craziness. What did you sleep with some of the Mommies and showed them your muscular 29 year old body in order to get these kick backs?

Jealous! Unbelievable! I stand with Santa on this one, just unfair.

AsnDragon.

OK.

Got a question for you guys.

Anybody here EVER got a Laisee / Hong Pao from a CP BBS mommy?

In fact, one from ANY mommies in CP?

Well I DID!

So THERE!

LMAO.

SEAN Sweet Swede

Worldguy72

01-25-12, 07:06

OK Santa. I've got a question just right up your alley!

And BTW what do you guys think about my new moniker?

You see, with Christmas just passed, I started to think of Mary and Joseph.

Nice married couple huh?

But she was still a virgin? HUH?

And then she was all knocked up.

And good ole Joseph, just took it all in stride?

HUH?

What was the guy THINKING?

And so. A new year. A new moniker!

More in line with my own self image!

LOL!

SEAN.

Sean Sweet Swede.

No more Joe!

No more SEAJ!How about one more S, SSSS for SEAN Sweet Swede Shoes or Suck Sweet Susie's Shaved.

Ah, we all like Joseph. How will the ISG board be without the legendary SEA Joe, A Legend is a Legend.

SE Asia Joe

01-25-12, 08:41

SEAN,

What gives huh? I never got an red envelope from any Mommie. Just out of curiosity how much did they give you anyhow?

So let me get this straight, you get 50 RMB discount off of the 250 RMB regular rate that everyone else has to pay and now you also get some red envelope lucky money from the mommies? That's craziness. What did you sleep with some of the Mommies and showed them your muscular 29 year old body in order to get these kick backs?

Jealous! Unbelievable! I stand with Santa on this one, just unfair.

AsnDragon.Errrr, don't really matter how much was in the envelope.

More significant is the fact that I KNOW that it's a "recycled" Lai See that another Monger had given her; that's how much these mommies regard Lais See's from mongers!

And how do I know that it was a "recycled" Lai see?

Simple! Inside of the envelope was a nice, brand new, crisp:

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One YOu Ass of AYE Dollar!

Frickin cheapskate monger!

LMAO.

SEAN

AsnDragon

01-25-12, 10:09

SEAN,

Damn it! You caught me! I was the one who handed that Mommie that US dollar in the red envelope! Quite calling me a cheapskate Monger, isn't it the thought that counts? HAHA.

Ok with all kidding aside. Why the hell are people giving out US dollars in CP for?

Anyways, Mommie couldn't exchange that 1 dollars anywhere, not even in the black market, they don't deal with currency that small. I bet the Mommie didn't even know nor care what country currency it was, unless it's good ole RMB, they could care less with denominations that small.

SEAN, keep that US dollar and give it to me if you aren't using it back in Sweden. HAHA.

AsnDragon.

Errrr, don't really matter how much was in the envelope.

More significant is the fact that I KNOW that it's a "recycled" Lai See that another Monger had given her; that's how much these mommies regard Lais See's from mongers!

And how do I know that it was a "recycled" Lai see?

Simple! Inside of the envelope was a nice, brand new, crisp:

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+

-

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One YOu Ass of AYE Dollar!

Frickin cheapskate monger!

LMAO.

SEAN

Freepeaks

01-25-12, 10:30

SEAN,

Damn it! You caught me! I was the one who handed that Mommie that US dollar in the red envelope! Quite calling me a cheapskate Monger, isn't it the thought that counts? HAHA.

Ok with all kidding aside. Why the hell are people giving out US dollars in CP for?

Anyways, Mommie couldn't exchange that 1 dollars anywhere, not even in the black market, they don't deal with currency that small. I bet the Mommie didn't even know nor care what country currency it was, unless it's good ole RMB, they could care less with denominations that small.

SEAN, keep that US dollar and give it to me if you aren't using it back in Sweden. HAHA.

AsnDragon.Really I would have guessed it was Santa. Playing his tricks on the mommies.

Oh yes you can exchange it at the Dog Man. (thats what I call him).88 money exchanger across from Lucky-ish hotel.

Right next to the giant dog head.

He will take anything but coins. Well at least he used to, but don't ask him how he makes money. He doesn't like.

That question from Chinese / hk / whiteboys. Etc.

Santa

01-25-12, 13:22

Really I would have guessed it was Santa. Etc.I treat the girls to a Happy New Year ride on Rudolf the Lucky Red Nosed Dragon. :p

AsnDragon

01-26-12, 04:10

Santa,

Well I guess you are offering the white dragon, while I'm offering the Asn Dragon. Nevertheless, we both want our dragons to be happy right?

God Bless CP.

AsnDragon.

I treat the girls to a Happy New Year ride on Rudolf the Lucky Red Nosed Dragon. :p

Santa

01-27-12, 11:40

4 o'clock in the afternoon there are very few girls in the Swan shops. 1 shop closed. 1 shop open but had no girls. 2 shops had only 4 girls and one shop had about 12. That was it. Total of only 21 girls for that area.

HuiMei area is even worse.

Lots of guys prowling around. Definately not a buyers market.

The girl I took, a repeat, had a bad cold and cough. The weather is very cold in CP. She said the boss will not allow the girls to wear warm clothes. The girls are told there will be a fine if they do.

AsnDragon

01-27-12, 20:45

Santa,

How come you went to CP so early this year? I thought you usually come around March when it's a bit warmer? This time of year is the worst time to be around CP. Things won't start to come back to normal until Mid February, and it'll take until beginning of March to see CP back to 90% normal again. Also, watch out, I hear that there's another cold front coming into CP soon as well. Better whip out your portable heater like last year.

Those crooked bosses man, at least bring in an oil heater inside the room or something. I mean you would think that when you're most valuable core basis of your business is marketing your girls, they would treat the girls better so they (boss) could earn more money. I mean a shop is only as profitable as the quality and quantity of girls they have.

But they don't, they resort to these abusive ways, which just makes the girl want to run away to work somewhere else once they have a chance, thus high turnover rates in all of these establishments. I don't quite understand the China mentality when it comes to running businesses. China certainly is a strange place.

AsnDragon.

4 o'clock in the afternoon there are very few girls in the Swan shops. 1 shop closed. 1 shop open but had no girls. 2 shops had only 4 girls and one shop had about 12. That was it. Total of only 21 girls for that area.

HuiMei area is even worse.

Lots of guys prowling around. Definately not a buyers market.

The girl I took, a repeat, had a bad cold and cough. The weather is very cold in CP. She said the boss will not allow the girls to wear warm clothes. The girls are told there will be a fine if they do.

Big Swingin Dave

01-28-12, 20:27

today was the first party i hosted since welcoming the year of the dragon on january 23rd. it has been a nice break from all the ktv parties with the last one on the 16th of january (7 days before cny, actually i took a mini-vacation with sky ryder, justseven, and abcaxis to macau / bkk. will be posting a report on those threads sometimes in the next few days) til today (january 28th. 7 days after cny). other than sky ryder, justseven, and abcaxis and of course santa being in town, cp has virtually been a ghost town and a nice change at that i must say.

today, a "couple" returning customers came to cp and was looking for a mix party but ended up them, the "couple" partying by themselves at mayflower. the flower street started at the same time at 5:45pm and to my amazement, there were actually about 100 girls already lined up in the flower street with a steady stream of girls entering the flower street. i must say howerver, that the monger to girls ratio is about 1 to 1. 1. after the flower street was over (approximately 7pm) , there were still girls left-over which it was a complete surprise to me. it appears that there are more girls staying during this cny than last year as i recall i went to fuhao 3 days after cny last year, there were literally only 30 girls in the flower street. the "couple" picked four girls total, with 2 speaking fairly decent english with one being a red tag (not available for st / lt). majority of the girls (90% plus) are now 3-6-1 girls. the 2-5-8's are a dying breed and most likely be gone by end of this year. the "couple" ordered 2 bottles of black label with green tea mixers and bought lds (28rmb each) for all the girls because they had excellent attitudes. for all of you that are partying at either fuhao, mayflower, eurasia, haixia, or amazon, the best way for you to keep the girls in line is to tell them in advance that if we (the customers) have a good time, we will "consider" ordering the ld for you, but if you look bored or need to leave early for whatever reasons, or we are not satisfy with your service, we will not order the ld for you and this usually (not a 100% of time) keeps the girls in line for most of the evening and tonight it was fantastic and it worked out well and everyone had a wonderful time.

we started out with some simple games and ended with a group game, by this time (around 9pm) , everyone was feeling no pain. from 9pm to about 11:30pm, there was spattering of singing and mostly dancing with lots of grouping and grinding. the girls were actually very surprised to see their customers are a "couple" (husband / wife) and got quite curious and bold with being touchy feely with the "female" (a "laowai"). by the end of the night, everyone was pooped out but no one got sick and drunk but just tipsy enough and left happy. the "couple" did take one of the english speaker wg out and her knowing that it will be a three-some back at the hotel.

cp should be back to normal in a couple of weeks when the new stock of girls are recruited by their friends and family to work in the money paradise of cp. so come "loaded" (with pun intended) , and ready to have an excellent party year of the dragon in c. p, the land of continuous pussy.

bsd

AsnDragon

01-28-12, 21:49

bsd,

happy chinese new year! good to hear that you had a good beak at macau and bkk.

amazing! i've never seen a laowai couple at a ktv event before. what's even more amazing was that the laowai girl was into the whole scene and willing to partake in a threesome? usually girls are not into threesome sessions at all, especially when a gf is involved it creates this jealousy factor. i guess there's still lots of things i have not witnesses in cp yet. but hope those "couples" had fun with their pick that night.

asndragon.

today was the first party i hosted since welcoming the year of the dragon on january 23rd. it has been a nice break from all the ktv parties with the last one on the 16th of january (7 days before cny, actually i took a mini-vacation with sky ryder, justseven, and abcaxis to macau / bkk. will be posting a report on those threads sometimes in the next few days) til today (january 28th. 7 days after cny). other than sky ryder, justseven, and abcaxis and of course santa being in town, cp has virtually been a ghost town and a nice change at that i must say.

today, a "couple" returning customers came to cp and was looking for a mix party but ended up them, the "couple" partying by themselves at mayflower. the flower street started at the same time at 5:45pm and to my amazement, there were actually about 100 girls already lined up in the flower street with a steady stream of girls entering the flower street. i must say howerver, that the monger to girls ratio is about 1 to 1. 1. after the flower street was over (approximately 7pm) , there were still girls left-over which it was a complete surprise to me. it appears that there are more girls staying during this cny than last year as i recall i went to fuhao 3 days after cny last year, there were literally only 30 girls in the flower street. the "couple" picked four girls total, with 2 speaking fairly decent english with one being a red tag (not available for st / lt). majority of the girls (90% plus) are now 3-6-1 girls. the 2-5-8's are a dying breed and most likely be gone by end of this year. the "couple" ordered 2 bottles of black label with green tea mixers and bought lds (28rmb each) for all the girls because they had excellent attitudes. for all of you that are partying at either fuhao, mayflower, eurasia, haixia, or amazon, the best way for you to keep the girls in line is to tell them in advance that if we (the customers) have a good time, we will "consider" ordering the ld for you, but if you look bored or need to leave early for whatever reasons, or we are not satisfy with your service, we will not order the ld for you and this usually (not a 100% of time) keeps the girls in line for most of the evening and tonight it was fantastic and it worked out well and everyone had a wonderful time.

we started out with some simple games and ended with a group game, by this time (around 9pm) , everyone was feeling no pain. from 9pm to about 11:30pm, there was spattering of singing and mostly dancing with lots of grouping and grinding. the girls were actually very surprised to see their customers are a "couple" (husband / wife) and got quite curious and bold with being touchy feely with the "female" (a "laowai"). by the end of the night, everyone was pooped out but no one got sick and drunk but just tipsy enough and left happy. the "couple" did take one of the english speaker wg out and her knowing that it will be a three-some back at the hotel.

cp should be back to normal in a couple of weeks when the new stock of girls are recruited by their friends and family to work in the money paradise of cp. so come "loaded" (with pun intended) , and ready to have an excellent party year of the dragon in c. p, the land of continuous pussy.

bsd

Sex Lover

01-30-12, 13:53

Any bro,

Come across girl who have big boobs and willing to do threesome and some lesbian?

Like the girl below that pick by the Lao wai couple.

I have a big boob girlfriend, we are both looking for another big boob girl for 3some and lesbian. Any bro might be able to recommend.

Thousands thanks.

AsnDragon

01-30-12, 18:48

Sex Lover,

May I inquire on whether your big boob girlfriend is Chinese as well? In addition, do You really love your GF? Because if you really love your GF and she's really your true GF, then a threesome will not end up well as there is a lot of emotional attachment on her end. Even if she's open to it, jealousy always, always plays a part during the action and after as well. It will indirectly ruin the relationship.

Advice for partaking in this threesome is you got to get the third girl a bit more buzzed in order to loosen her up and want to partake in this action.

Just my thought.

But hey, what do I know right?

AsnDragon.

Any bro,

Come across girl who have big boobs and willing to do threesome and some lesbian?

Like the girl below that pick by the Lao wai couple.

I have a big boob girlfriend, we are both looking for another big boob girl for 3some and lesbian. Any bro might be able to recommend.

Thousands thanks.

SE Asia Joe

02-03-12, 11:27

What Price True Love?

'Thank God you DID call me, I thought that I was going to never see you again. '

That was Jiao Jiao's greetings when she walked in the door.

Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful. Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn't already chosen Fa Fa, and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!

But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was EXCELLENT! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup, that's it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow, she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That, accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao (and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie, no, actually she's quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.)

Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But, Well, I wasn't about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way, and dialed Jiao Jiao's number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat, just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah, Good times!

Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty, but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body, what more could a man ask for? Howzabout True Love? At least that's what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.

How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again, and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells, how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup, True Love at First Sight!

'Hey, you don't have to tell your mommie when you see me and save having to pay her RMB100! ' Me making plans for future trysts, perhaps even keeping her.

'You going to give me 250 right? ' She matter of factly said. 'No, it's 200 isn't it? ' I absent mindedly asked. And it went on, and on, and on and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared. Over RMB50! Oh well, Better now than later.

For my True Love at First Sight!

SEAN: I'm such a Sweet Swede!

AsnDragon

02-03-12, 12:00

Oh Sean or Sean, or shall I say on SEAJ oh SEAJ,

The perfect combination of large breasts on a stick thin slim body and it was all ruined over 50 RMB? Wow! She seems like such the catch! Don't worry, she'll come back, she was probably too taken aback from your perfectly shaped six pack abs that she's willing to let that 50 RMB go.

Note to self: "Must Try Jiao Jiao"

Hope I still remember later on, as I get older it's harder and harder for me to remember names! I should start this CP girl log so I can keep track of who I'm suppose to try or else these girl's names all sound the same it slips through my mind so quickly.

Was Jiao Jiao still a great experience in Bed though?

Seems like you are starting 2012 new year with a great start! FA FA and then Jiao Jiao.

AsnDragon.

What Price True Love?

'Thank God you DID call me, I thought that I was going to never see you again. '

That was Jiao Jiao's greetings when she walked in the door.

Just an hour or so earlier, I was just walking out the BBS with Fa Fa in tow when I stumbled upon Jiao Jiao; and it felt like a jolt of electricity! Beautiful. Really beautiful is all I could muster to say as I asked her for her telephone number. Without a word and staring at me the whole time, she scribbled her details and held my hands briefly as she handed it over. Damn, I wish I hadn't already chosen Fa Fa, and already handed the mommie RMB100 for Fa Fa! Damn, I wish I was with Jiao Jiao instead. Oh well!

But sometimes good things happen by mistake; Fa Fa was EXCELLENT! How do I say it? How about Sauna experience from a BBS gal? Yup, that's it! Total sauna experience executed with superior skill and surgical precision (Oh wow, she DOES know ALL the erogenous zones!). That, accompanied with mental images of Jiao Jiao (and not that Fa Fa was a fuglie, no, actually she's quite good looking in the Ah Mei mould.)

Mission accomplished. Very satisfied. But, Well, I wasn't about to let the good times come to a screeching halt. Nope, no way, and dialed Jiao Jiao's number as I handed the phone to Fa Fa to tell her to give directions to Jiao Jiao to where we were at. And that was how Jiao made it to my door within 10 minutes flat, just when Fa Fa was walking out. Oh Yeah, Good times!

Ningbo beauty with skin just a tinge darker than the usual Shanghai Beauty, but with all the Shanghai coquettishness! Huge Tits combined with a trim body, what more could a man ask for? Howzabout True Love? At least that's what the conversation immediately turned to right then and there.

How electrified she was when she first saw me, how her heart beat rapidly when I went and talked to her, how afraid she was of never being able to see me again, and me professing my undying appreciation at how beautiful she is, how I love the way she pouts her lips, how nice she smells, how she fulfills 100% of the criteria of my dream of the Perfect Gal. Yup, True Love at First Sight!

'Hey, you don't have to tell your mommie when you see me and save having to pay her RMB100! ' Me making plans for future trysts, perhaps even keeping her.

'You going to give me 250 right? ' She matter of factly said. 'No, it's 200 isn't it? ' I absent mindedly asked. And it went on, and on, and on and right there and then the whole aura just disappeared. Over RMB50! Oh well, Better now than later.

For my True Love at First Sight!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

02-04-12, 09:19

Boring!

Where's everybody here?

Santa. You've been boinking there just about every day. Howzabout some on-the-ground reporting?

SEAN

AsnDragon

02-04-12, 09:53

SEAN,

Thanks for the pictures! You have really been spicing it up here in the forum here. Great picture taking technique. I know why you censored your own Penis, because it's too large that you don't want us to feel self conscious about how much smaller ours is in comparison to yours. Thanks, that's very considerate of you.

Is that pictures of FA FA? Or Jiao Jiao?

Still until now, girls are always resistant to me taking pictures of them naked. I don't know what kind of charm you use to get them to agree to it. I haven't been having much luck these days.

I asked a really hot girl last time if I could take their picture. She asked "why?" I said "because you have such an incredible body, I want to always remember it because I will miss it."

She replied "oh, in that case, then I won't let you take a naked picture of me, I want you to miss me so you will come and pick me again."

Gosh, girls these days are too damn smart.

AsnDragon.

Boring!

Where's everybody here?

Santa. You've been boinking there just about every day. Howzabout some on-the-ground reporting?

SEAN

SE Asia Joe

02-04-12, 11:34

SEAN,

Thanks for the pictures! You have really been spicing it up here in the forum here. Great picture taking technique. I know why you censored your own Penis, because it's too large that you don't want us to feel self conscious about how much smaller ours is in comparison to yours. .

AsnDragon.Nah, I learned very early on that there's NO percentage at all in showing myself in "full glory." There's never going to be ANY good comments. Either its too large, too small, too gross or Why The Hell do I want to look at another guy's pecker? Nope, no percentage at all!

And as far as taking pictures is concerned, I just make it natural and part and parcel of my routine. Soonest as I get a girl out from the BBS or the KTV etc, I start taking her pictures and continue doing so as we get back in the room, her taking off her clothes etc. Soon as she objects, I'd just put the camera aside, but will after a while just start it up again. Keep on doing it and unless she really starts getting all militant or insistent that I NOT take her picture, I'd keep at it.

Somehow or another, this seems to work well for me, even with my regular camera. Now with all these great cameras on the Iphone / mobile sets, its should be a lot easier for you guys who use them. Got to up-grade my phone soon!

SEAN

Bnlee2

02-05-12, 05:29

Nah, I learned very early on that there's NO percentage at all in showing myself in "full glory." There's never going to be ANY good comments. Either its too large, too small, too gross or Why The Hell do I want to look at another guy's pecker? Nope, no percentage at all!

And as far as taking pictures is concerned, I just make it natural and part and parcel of my routine. Soonest as I get a girl out from the BBS or the KTV etc, I start taking her pictures and continue doing so as we get back in the room, her taking off her clothes etc. Soon as she objects, I'd just put the camera aside, but will after a while just start it up again. Keep on doing it and unless she really starts getting all militant or insistent that I NOT take her picture, I'd keep at it.

Somehow or another, this seems to work well for me, even with my regular camera. Now with all these great cameras on the Iphone / mobile sets, its should be a lot easier for you guys who use them. Got to up-grade my phone soon!

SEANI did not know that he censored his pecker. I thought that was a picture of his real swedish pecker. Wow. You learn new things everyday. Damn

AsnDragon

02-05-12, 21:11

SEAN,

Get the iphone 4s. I mean over the years you've given away so many Nokia phones to all these cute little girls already, you might as well treat yourself better and get yourself an iphone. You'll be able to carry it with you and snap pictures on the spot. In addition, iphone cameras are just as good as digital cameras as well. It'll be easier for you to sort through the pictures and categorize the girls so you don't accidentally do another repeat of a girl you already did before.

Come on SEAN, you splurg money on the gals all the time, it's time to treat yourself a bit better will ya!

AsnDragon.

Nah, I learned very early on that there's NO percentage at all in showing myself in "full glory." There's never going to be ANY good comments. Either its too large, too small, too gross or Why The Hell do I want to look at another guy's pecker? Nope, no percentage at all!

And as far as taking pictures is concerned, I just make it natural and part and parcel of my routine. Soonest as I get a girl out from the BBS or the KTV etc, I start taking her pictures and continue doing so as we get back in the room, her taking off her clothes etc. Soon as she objects, I'd just put the camera aside, but will after a while just start it up again. Keep on doing it and unless she really starts getting all militant or insistent that I NOT take her picture, I'd keep at it.

Somehow or another, this seems to work well for me, even with my regular camera. Now with all these great cameras on the Iphone / mobile sets, its should be a lot easier for you guys who use them. Got to up-grade my phone soon!

SEAN

SE Asia Joe

02-06-12, 04:50

SEAN,

Get the iphone 4s. I mean over the years you've given away so many Nokia phones to all these cute little girls already, you might as well treat yourself better and get yourself an iphone. You'll be able to carry it with you and snap pictures on the spot. In addition, iphone cameras are just as good as digital cameras as well. It'll be easier for you to sort through the pictures and categorize the girls so you don't accidentally do another repeat of a girl you already did before.

Come on SEAN, you splurg money on the gals all the time, it's time to treat yourself a bit better will ya!

AsnDragon.Yeah, you're probably right. My present phones went out with dinosaurs!

But first I got a question for you tech savvy guys.

When I go in to China, I "feed" my Hong Kong number to my Dual China / Hong Kong phone number, thus saving the roaming charges. When I do this, I receive all my calls made to my Hong Kong phone number at my China number.

But I still get all my SMS message on my Hong Kong phone number. I have made initial enquiries and the guy at my Hong Kong phone number shop tells me that I will NOT be able to do this if I switch to an IPhone UNLESS I keep my IPhone still on data roaming whilst I am in China. And he warns me that to keep my data roaming on in China will cost me a LOT of money.

And there is no other way for me to still be able to get my SMS's cheaply while I am in China as there is no way for his company to also divert SMS messages to another phone number.

So what is the solution to this?

Thanks in advance Tech Savvy guys!

SEAN

AsnDragon

02-06-12, 08:00

SEAN,

I'm not as tech saavy as other on this board. Slow and Better would be a better person to ask.

But from the top of my head. There are two solutions if you really want an iphone 4s.

1. There is an exterior adapter I hear that costs about $100 USD and it can fit two sim cards onto your iphone 4 so you can put your Hong kong card and your China Sim card and use both of them simultaneously.

2. Use your old phone for your HK texts. Then use your phone 4 for your China number in which you will use more often to take pictures and call while you in China. Your old phone can be used for HK texts. It is annoying to carry around two phones, but that's really the only way that you can have two numbers and enjoy the best of both worlds. It is not uncommon to see guys in CP with two phones at all times.

My suggestions are not the best, but the best that I know of. I'm sure there are other brothers here that are younger, and more knowledge and up to date with technology than an old fart like me!

AsnDragon.

Yeah, you're probably right. My present phones went out with dinosaurs!

But first I got a question for you tech savvy guys.

When I go in to China, I "feed" my Hong Kong number to my Dual China / Hong Kong phone number, thus saving the roaming charges. When I do this, I receive all my calls made to my Hong Kong phone number at my China number.

But I still get all my SMS message on my Hong Kong phone number. I have made initial enquiries and the guy at my Hong Kong phone number shop tells me that I will NOT be able to do this if I switch to an IPhone UNLESS I keep my IPhone still on data roaming whilst I am in China. And he warns me that to keep my data roaming on in China will cost me a LOT of money.

And there is no other way for me to still be able to get my SMS's cheaply while I am in China as there is no way for his company to also divert SMS messages to another phone number.

So what is the solution to this?

Thanks in advance Tech Savvy guys!

SEAN

Bob Builder

02-06-12, 11:27

If your mobile service provider does not enable you to do any of these things, port your number to one that does. I use an android phone and you can turn off data roaming and still receive sms and other service providers like 3 have a sms forwarding service.

Simpler yet, many WGs or other mongers have phones with cameras. Get them to take the pictures and email them to you from the phone.

Yeah, you're probably right. My present phones went out with dinosaurs!

But first I got a question for you tech savvy guys.

When I go in to China, I "feed" my Hong Kong number to my Dual China / Hong Kong phone number, thus saving the roaming charges. When I do this, I receive all my calls made to my Hong Kong phone number at my China number.

But I still get all my SMS message on my Hong Kong phone number. I have made initial enquiries and the guy at my Hong Kong phone number shop tells me that I will NOT be able to do this if I switch to an IPhone UNLESS I keep my IPhone still on data roaming whilst I am in China. And he warns me that to keep my data roaming on in China will cost me a LOT of money.

And there is no other way for me to still be able to get my SMS's cheaply while I am in China as there is no way for his company to also divert SMS messages to another phone number.

So what is the solution to this?

Thanks in advance Tech Savvy guys!

SEAN

Santa

02-06-12, 13:47

SEAN,

It'll be easier for you to sort through the pictures and categorize the girls so you don't accidentally do another repeat of a girl you already did before.

AsnDragon.It's better not to remember which girls you've done already, because then you always have a selection of new girls.

Maybe it's better to take pictures of the bad ones, then you don't repeat the same mistake.

JohnnyVegas

02-06-12, 15:27

Hey guys,

I'm coming to town for the first time. I'm not familiar with specific neighborhoods? I've heard of Humen, Chaoping but don't really know the difference. There was that touroperator from last year with the 1 hour tour of Guangzhou and then bullet train to Dongguan for 2 hours at ISO sauna. The picks they had looked great. A full line up of nurses and another lineup of girls in lingerie. What kind of places are these, where are they, and have you ever been. I'm sure you have! . I'm sure we can do thisalone without a tour operator. What do you recommend. BBS, sauna, KTV, outcall, incall. Etc? Anyway can you teach me the routine a little. What's the best hotel. Do they have their own sauna with FS? Where are these line up places? I'm use to the easy to find MPs and fishbowl places of Thailand. But that took a few trips to learn the routine.

Thanks much in advance! I'll buy you all a beer!

Pointpanic

02-06-12, 21:49

Guys,

I'm just a two phone guy, US and China which is the easiest considering how cheap phones are in China. I have another two for Hong Kong and Taiwan or just switch chips. If you want to use US iphone and avoid the monster charges for $25 bucks a month US carriers will give you 50 gigs of down load a month instead of $20 per gig. If you go over in the same month you can upgrade for double for $25 more. HK must have something similar. We need to get Santa clicking to share his Santa certified bbs girls. Miss you guys!

Point.

SEAN,

I'm not as tech saavy as other on this board. Slow and Better would be a better person to ask.

But from the top of my head. There are two solutions if you really want an iphone 4s.

1. There is an exterior adapter I hear that costs about $100 USD and it can fit two sim cards onto your iphone 4 so you can put your Hong kong card and your China Sim card and use both of them simultaneously.

2. Use your old phone for your HK texts. Then use your phone 4 for your China number in which you will use more often to take pictures and call while you in China. Your old phone can be used for HK texts. It is annoying to carry around two phones, but that's really the only way that you can have two numbers and enjoy the best of both worlds. It is not uncommon to see guys in CP with two phones at all times.

My suggestions are not the best, but the best that I know of. I'm sure there are other brothers here that are younger, and more knowledge and up to date with technology than an old fart like me!

AsnDragon.

AsnDragon

02-07-12, 08:37

Point!

It's so good to hear from you! Where have you been lately? I haven't see you around for quite some time these days. I guess you must be busy with all of your "other activities"

When we going to meet up again?

I agree, I would love to see Santa's collection of pictures! I'm sure it's quite extensive.

AsnDragon.

Guys,

I'm just a two phone guy, US and China which is the easiest considering how cheap phones are in China. I have another two for Hong Kong and Taiwan or just switch chips. If you want to use US iphone and avoid the monster charges for $25 bucks a month US carriers will give you 50 gigs of down load a month instead of $20 per gig. If you go over in the same month you can upgrade for double for $25 more. HK must have something similar. We need to get Santa clicking to share his Santa certified bbs girls. Miss you guys!

Point.

AsnDragon

02-07-12, 08:41

Johnny,

I know you are a newbie. You could RTFF yourself as I and many others have placed extensive information on venues in Dongguan China. However, It would be best for you to contact BSD DAVE for his services. He could take you around town and show you all and everything happening around town.

China in general is a lot more complicated than Thailand's open venues. You could get lost or tricked in China. So it's best that you seek for either a veteran on this board that's willing to show you around or ask for BSD DAVE to show you the ropes. This is just my suggestion as Dave is good at getting you involved in KTV parties and such so you won't feel so isolated and by yourself while you are at Dongguan area.

AsnDragon.

Hey guys,

I'm coming to town for the first time. I'm not familiar with specific neighborhoods? I've heard of Humen, Chaoping but don't really know the difference. There was that touroperator from last year with the 1 hour tour of Guangzhou and then bullet train to Dongguan for 2 hours at ISO sauna. The picks they had looked great. A full line up of nurses and another lineup of girls in lingerie. What kind of places are these, where are they, and have you ever been. I'm sure you have! . I'm sure we can do thisalone without a tour operator. What do you recommend. BBS, sauna, KTV, outcall, incall. Etc? Anyway can you teach me the routine a little. What's the best hotel. Do they have their own sauna with FS? Where are these line up places? I'm use to the easy to find MPs and fishbowl places of Thailand. But that took a few trips to learn the routine.

Thanks much in advance! I'll buy you all a beer!

AsnDragon

02-07-12, 08:44

Santa,

Taking pictures of pretty girls you have done is always better to look back upon to remember good old times. Who wants to look at a whole archive of bad looking girls right?

I thought part of this hobby is about making memories?

AsnDragon.

It's better not to remember which girls you've done already, because then you always have a selection of new girls.

Maybe it's better to take pictures of the bad ones, then you don't repeat the same mistake.

Pcpc1688

02-07-12, 09:04

Pcpc1688,

What do you mean by true love? Like you felt you loved her or you felt like you loved her a lot in bed? Do you still keep in touch with her?

If you ran out of things to talk about on the 3rd day, what do you do for the two days after that? I run into these similar problems as well. There's this fire of desire in the beginning. But after a while, I run out of things to talk about. There's this lack of connection, outside of the bedroom, after a while. In fact I don't see how to connect with many WG after a while.

So perhaps that's why so many veterans here are all giving the same advice. Keep that fresh feeling that you have with that girl, so always keep on switching to a new gal.

AsnDragon.Asndragon,

Since she's 21 and I'm your age, LOL there isn't much more really after sex now is it? The sex even got boring as time passed. Oh well, next hehe.

PC out

SE Asia Joe

02-07-12, 10:15

Asndragon,

Since she's 21 and I'm your age, LOL there isn't much more really after sex now is it? The sex even got boring as time passed. Oh well, next hehe.

PC outWAHHH!

All you old guys stealing our young fair-maidens away!

And then just discarding them like THAT!

No justice in this world.

No justice at all!

SEAN Sweet Swede

SE Asia Joe

02-07-12, 10:29

Johnny,

I know you are a newbie. You could RTFF yourself as I and many others have placed extensive information on venues in Dongguan China. However, It would be best for you to contact BSD DAVE for his services. He could take you around town and show you all and everything happening around town.

China in general is a lot more complicated than Thailand's open venues. You could get lost or tricked in China. So it's best that you seek for either a veteran on this board that's willing to show you around or ask for BSD DAVE to show you the ropes. This is just my suggestion as Dave is good at getting you involved in KTV parties and such so you won't feel so isolated and by yourself while you are at Dongguan area.

AsnDragon.Well Asn, its quite apparent that our bro JohnnyVegas think that ChangPing / Dongguan is an easy nut to crack and he's specifically stated "I'm sure we can do thisalone without a tour operator."

And after all, he IS a veteran of the scene in Thailand.

And to top it all off, he's even willing to buy us ALL beer!

And since he's "heard" of Chao Ping and Humen, well I guess its no use asking him to RTFF, right?

Well, good luck Johnny and welcome to Chao Ping!

SEAJ

JohnnyVegas

02-07-12, 16:09

Well Asn, its quite apparent that our bro JohnnyVegas think that ChangPing / Dongguan is an easy nut to crack and he's specifically stated "I'm sure we can do thisalone without a tour operator."

And after all, he IS a veteran of the scene in Thailand.

And to top it all off, he's even willing to buy us ALL beer!

And since he's "heard" of Chao Ping and Humen, well I guess its no use asking him to RTFF, right?

Well, good luck Johnny and welcome to Chao Ping!

SEAJAlright, alright SEAJ. I get it. Sorry. I know it's Changping and yes, Read the FF LOL. I do everyday and now understand it's not as open and easy. Thanks AsnDrgn. What I meant about the tour operators are the ones who rip you off. If there's a reputable one, then I have no problem at all using their services. As yes, being a veteran of LOS, I thought I could figure it out. Sorry again for being naive about China. That's just how we roll there. Meet up with a few fellow mongers who are happy to hang out.

An old friend talked about Humen for years. Now he's moved away, got married and has a baby so he's not in contact about this subject. Talking to taxi drivers, tuk tuk drivers, bell boys etc. Has gotten me some action in CR, DR, SR, PP but as this is new to me here, I'll have to rely on the grand masters. Thanks guys.

AsnDragon

02-08-12, 01:31

Johnny,

As I said, talk to BSD Dave, he's not in the business of ripping people off. He will be upfront on what he charges.

The reason why I tell you to contact him is because China is complicated and it takes a lot of time to get learn the ropes. It's not something you can learn in a few days. Some Veterans of the trade that have been in China for decades are constantly still having to learn the ropes as policies in China change among the different venues that are offered.

China's not like Thailand's Pattaya where girls are jut dancing outside in the open hut and everything goes. In China it's about discretion and nothing is what it appears unless you have contacts and connections.

Just my advice that's all.

AsnDragon.

Alright, alright SEAJ. I get it. Sorry. I know it's Changping and yes, Read the FF LOL. I do everyday and now understand it's not as open and easy. Thanks AsnDrgn. What I meant about the tour operators are the ones who rip you off. If there's a reputable one, then I have no problem at all using their services. As yes, being a veteran of LOS, I thought I could figure it out. Sorry again for being naive about China. That's just how we roll there. Meet up with a few fellow mongers who are happy to hang out.

An old friend talked about Humen for years. Now he's moved away, got married and has a baby so he's not in contact about this subject. Talking to taxi drivers, tuk tuk drivers, bell boys etc. Has gotten me some action in CR, DR, SR, PP but as this is new to me here, I'll have to rely on the grand masters. Thanks guys.

AsnDragon

02-08-12, 01:47

PCPC.

What do you mean there's nothing more after sex? I like to be their mentor, give them sagacious advice about what and what not to do in life so she does not make the same hard mistakes I made so many decades ago.

I talk to her about Chinese Pop culture, we cuddle and pretend that there's nothing in the world except for just her and me. We could rent bikes and bike around some lake or park and hold hands and buy an ice cream from McDonald's while she looks at the latest version of the iphone, and I make her empty promises about how I will get that for her one day when she's all grown up.

What do you mean there's nothing more after having sex with them? I connect with these girls on a very intimate level most of the time. Despite our age gap of a few decades alright!

AsnDragon.

Asndragon,

Since she's 21 and I'm your age, LOL there isn't much more really after sex now is it? The sex even got boring as time passed. Oh well, next hehe.

PC out

JohnnyVegas

02-08-12, 04:38

HoTrain

02-08-12, 05:05

Hi all,

Will any of the senior memebers be around during that week? Would love to meet up and put a face to some of the handles, especially the senior members. I did meet up with Dave in Dec and he seems like a very nice guy. Although I didn't get a chance to use his services, he still gave me alot of advice and things to think about. I'm coming from Canada with a group of 4 guys, all in their early 30's. We're all drinkers and we all party hard and we would love to meet up with more fun guys.

HoTrain

WildHawk

02-08-12, 07:24

Listen to what the experts are telling you and arrange some quality time with Dave's operation. I have used his services and am a very happy customer!

Johnny,

As I said, talk to BSD Dave, he's not in the business of ripping people off. He will be upfront on what he charges.

SE Asia Joe

02-08-12, 13:14

Alright, alright SEAJ. I get it. Sorry. I know it's Changping and yes, Read the FF LOL. I do everyday and now understand it's not as open and easy. Thanks AsnDrgn. What I meant about the tour operators are the ones who rip you off. If there's a reputable one, then I have no problem at all using their services. As yes, being a veteran of LOS, I thought I could figure it out. Sorry again for being naive about China. That's just how we roll there. Meet up with a few fellow mongers who are happy to hang out.

An old friend talked about Humen for years. Now he's moved away, got married and has a baby so he's not in contact about this subject. Talking to taxi drivers, tuk tuk drivers, bell boys etc. Has gotten me some action in CR, DR, SR, PP but as this is new to me here, I'll have to rely on the grand masters. Thanks guys.No harm done and glad you've taken our advise in good spirit.

You see, China is NOT an easy place to navigate and especially Chang Ping. Not only will BS Dave do his best to steer you out of problems / danger, he will also save you money, time and lots of frustrations. You're coming all the way out here / spending good money and its really being penny wise pound foolish NOT availing of yourself of BS Dave's great service. And if you're worried about having to pay too much for his service, DON"T as his charges are a pittance and quite transparent.

Please check his ad here : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2318-Classified-Ads&p=1242453&viewfull=1#post1242453

SEAN

Joegoza

02-08-12, 16:15

JohnnyVegas,

Just Take the advice. I wish I will be able to get a tour guide like BS Dave here in Yantai. It is completely frustrating to know that there are chances but you don't know how to get it because of the language.

All the best.

Joe

No harm done and glad you've taken our advise in good spirit.

You see, China is NOT an easy place to navigate and especially Chang Ping. Not only will BS Dave do his best to steer you out of problems / danger, he will also save you money, time and lots of frustrations. You're coming all the way out here / spending good money and its really being penny wise pound foolish NOT availing of yourself of BS Dave's great service. And if you're worried about having to pay too much for his service, DON"T as his charges are a pittance and quite transparent.

Please check his ad here :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2318-Classified-Ads&p=1242453&viewfull=1#post1242453

SEAN

Jettsetter

02-08-12, 17:40

Yeah, you're probably right. My present phones went out with dinosaurs!

But first I got a question for you tech savvy guys.

When I go in to China, I "feed" my Hong Kong number to my Dual China / Hong Kong phone number, thus saving the roaming charges. When I do this, I receive all my calls made to my Hong Kong phone number at my China number.

But I still get all my SMS message on my Hong Kong phone number. I have made initial enquiries and the guy at my Hong Kong phone number shop tells me that I will NOT be able to do this if I switch to an IPhone UNLESS I keep my IPhone still on data roaming whilst I am in China. And he warns me that to keep my data roaming on in China will cost me a LOT of money.

And there is no other way for me to still be able to get my SMS's cheaply while I am in China as there is no way for his company to also divert SMS messages to another phone number.

So what is the solution to this?

Thanks in advance Tech Savvy guys!

SEANSEAJ,

Been a while. I've been working and will be back in a few weeks for a few months. So will see ya when I get back. In terms of what you're talking about, the guy is wrong.

You CAN still GET SMS and Turn OFF your Data Roaming. The Iphone allows you to turn data roaming off, so that the only thing that's ON is your Phone and your SMS. It costs you nothing unless you forget an answer a phone call while in China. Your DATA doesn't get charged from HK because you'd turn OFF your data. In short, you can GET all your SMS's on your phone. And not be charged data. In fact, if you're at home, you CAN still use WIFI to get DATA and turn THAT on, but just turn ROAMING OFF, so that at least while at Wifi Hotspots, you can use your iphone freely.

Now that still requires you having two phones because if you want to use your local CP number, then you won't be able to use the iphone with a dual sim holder. I'd stay away from the dual sim for the iphone. It's just awkward, bulky and not very reliable. In addition, you need to jailbreak your phone even to utilize it.

My suggestion, have two phones or just get a dual sim phone that's not an iphone.

The other option and I"m not sure this is available in Hong Kong, but to have a GOOGLE VOICE # that allows you to get texts. Now understand, I have no idea whether google voice is in Hong Kong yet or not. But at least in the US, when I give them this number to text, I readily can get my texts anywhere because it gets sent via email. WIth HK Text messages, I doubt that this can be "forwarded" to another device. You'd actually have to have your pphone on and getting signal.

Just remember if you're going to actually GET or MAKE a phone call even with data roaming off, it's going to hurt.

I use my China number in the US regularly. I turn off data and I send and receive sms all the time no problem. (free to receive). A little expensive to send, but not that bad.

Hope that helps!

-Jett

Jettsetter

02-08-12, 17:48

No harm done and glad you've taken our advise in good spirit.

You see, China is NOT an easy place to navigate and especially Chang Ping. Not only will BS Dave do his best to steer you out of problems / danger, he will also save you money, time and lots of frustrations. You're coming all the way out here / spending good money and its really being penny wise pound foolish NOT availing of yourself of BS Dave's great service. And if you're worried about having to pay too much for his service, DON"T as his charges are a pittance and quite transparent.

Please check his ad here :

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2318-Classified-Ads&p=1242453&viewfull=1#post1242453

SEANI know it sounds that we're just cappers for BSD, but honestly, none of us are getting benefits from Dave by recommending his services. I just think that when you go somewhere and you can trust someone to look out for your best interests that can speak the language, it's the best thing you can do. Dave also brings people together so it helps them have a good time in a group setting as opposed to just going by yourself everywhere (which can get boring). I know that I've been looking to do some fun in other countries and part of the process is figuring out where to stay, where to go, good places go hang out at. There's ALOT of wasted resources in trying figure all this stuff out and for a small fee, having someone trusted that can show you all the ins and outs. That's the way to go!

Plus Dave's a nice guy. Honest and he's committed to helping his customers.

I always party with Dave's customers when I'm in town. I don't need much of his services, but I know that everyone who uses him is happy with him.

Can't ask for much more when coming into a town where english is as useful as farsi. Where everything is in Chinese, and being able to find the best action is not as easy and open as you think it is.

The other option is to rely on the help of people from this board that are in town, but that obviously has limits. Dave will go out with you at 3 a. M. To go trolling and make sure that all the "terms" are set. I'm not going to do that with you. At 3. I'll be in bed, sleeping. If you call me, I won't answer. Haha. (Dave will).

Anyways, will have lots of folks in town in March, if old buddies are in town. Hit me up (same number).

P. S. Where the hell is BT?

Santa

02-09-12, 10:02

For those of you that like very big tits and a really great blow job try Li Juan. A sloppy blow that lasted a good half hour. Good looking Sichuan girl, but she is a bit on the chubby side. She is in the shop behind Legend Cafe. Li Juan. YaoSanWuBaLingBaLiuSiWuQiBa. No rush and proud of her good service.

OAH I think this one is your type.

SouthPaw K

02-09-12, 11:07

Greetings Everyone & Happy CNY,

I'm here reporting (for the first time) because of the recent topic and I owe Dave this long overdue post. I was in CP last Oct / Nov for almost 3wks. To "play" was not the purpose of my trip (from the US) but I had the time and became aware of the opportunities from this forum just a couple weeks before my departure. It was really just coincidence that I have ties to CP and had to be there. That said, everything else was completely new to me and I was traveling alone. Although I know HK well, I hadn't stepped foot in China in 10+ yrs. I had no idea how my personal business trip / vacation was going to turn out at the time.

Well. I can say here now that it was the most amazing and enjoyable trip I've ever taken alone in my life. From beginning to end it was an easy, fun, and incredible experience all because I contacted Dave. Getting in touch with him at the beginning of my visit was the single best and smartest thing I did, period! He knows the town like the back of his hand, is fluent in English, Mandarin, and Cantonese, is very easy-going, and genuinely looks out for your safety. What more could you freakin' ask for? (He even helped me call a BBS girl one time, because my Mandarin sucks, and had her outside my room in less than 30mins. Talk about Dominos Pussy delivery!) But all that aside, Dave was just a great person to know and hang out with. And everyone I met thru him was down to earth and really cool too. Because I learned, that's just the type of person he is and that's the type of people that will naturally gravitate to his circle.

I sampled pretty much all the major services during my stay: BBS, Sauna, KTV. Some multiple times, and I can't say I had a poor experience once. In fact, most of the time it was fantastic! I even went on a normal date with a civilian. (I worked my Cantonese and limited Mandarin to the max, and I'm a quick learner.) The young ladies of South China are slim, beautiful, and everywhere you look in CP. Its simply staggering. My trip was perfect in so many ways. Everything seemed to just casually fall into place, as if I had some unexplainable streak of luck. All the way up to my last night of partying, I was fortunate enough to attend Dave's own birthday bash at Mayflower KTV. That'll be an epic memory I'll have for a very long time: I had a great girl with me, everyone was having a blast, and it was awesome seeing Dave letting loose, chasing people around with cake on his face and spraying champagne everywhere, LOL!

Dave, if you're keeping tabs. Thank You for the memories and Good Health to you! I'm coming back soon.

SouthPaw K from the O

SE Asia Joe

02-09-12, 18:15

SEAJ,

Been a while. I've been working and will be back in a few weeks for a few months. So will see ya when I get back. In terms of what you're talking about, the guy is wrong.

You CAN still GET SMS and Turn OFF your Data Roaming. The Iphone allows you to turn data roaming off, so that the only thing that's ON is your Phone and your SMS. It costs you nothing unless you forget an answer a phone call while in China. Your DATA doesn't get charged from HK because you'd turn OFF your data. In short, you can GET all your SMS's on your phone. And not be charged data. In fact, if you're at home, you CAN still use WIFI to get DATA and turn THAT on, but just turn ROAMING OFF, so that at least while at Wifi Hotspots, you can use your iphone.

-JettHey Jett. THANKS!

You are absolutely correct. I've gone back to the "3" shop and found out that what the first guy told me was totally wrong!

SMS's get sent out via a different channel / band and is not at all dependent on the Data band.

So I will still be able to get my SMS in China even when I turn off the data roaming.

Thanks!

Look forward to seeing you and the rest of the gang!

SEAN

Pcpc1688

02-09-12, 18:51

PCPC.

What do you mean there's nothing more after sex? I like to be their mentor, give them sagacious advice about what and what not to do in life so she does not make the same hard mistakes I made so many decades ago.

I talk to her about Chinese Pop culture, we cuddle and pretend that there's nothing in the world except for just her and me. We could rent bikes and bike around some lake or park and hold hands and buy an ice cream from McDonald's while she looks at the latest version of the iphone, and I make her empty promises about how I will get that for her one day when she's all grown up.

What do you mean there's nothing more after having sex with them? I connect with these girls on a very intimate level most of the time. Despite our age gap of a few decades alright!

AsnDragon.Dragon,

Yeah all my sage like advice will save them from this cruel business they choose to be in? When I was 21, I didn't listen to anyone.

I have been to KTVs in many places and you do find one or 2 that there is a special connection with. Proimse them Iphones, nah, they just come out and ask for them now LOL.

PC out

Santa

02-09-12, 21:37

PCPC.

What do you mean there's nothing more after sex?

AsnDragon.No! There is! The shrimp fishing place will open again this week. It's at the end of the alley opposite the park in front of Mito's.

ISO 9000

02-10-12, 09:44

Hostess strength was around 150 at Eurasia (Ou Ya) KTV on 05/02/12 (Sun).

ISO 9000

02-10-12, 09:45

Hui Hua KTV has raised the price for its Hostesses recently.

Hostess Category (Old Price):
2•6•9/3•6•9/3•7•11

Hostess Category (New Price):
3•6•9/3•7•10/3•8•12

I foresee 2012 may be the year whereby sitting fee of ¥200 will go into extinction in CP KTVs.
The KTV sitting fee in a lot of bigger cities already starts from ¥300.

AsnDragon

02-10-12, 10:50

ISO 9000,

Wow. 150 hostesses at Eurasia is really sad. The hallways must be empty! I can imagine them having only two floors and even with two floors it would feel empty. 150 is a number you would expect at swan lake KTV, or Manhattan KTV, but at Eurasia?

Let's pray that girls are trickling in soon.

AsnDragon.

Hostess strength was around 150 at Eurasia (Ou Ya) KTV on 05/02/12 (Sun).

AsnDragon

02-10-12, 10:52

Santa,

It's funny because it was Jim Traveller that introduced me to that shrimp fishing place a few years back. I have never been there or taken a girl there before. I would think that girls these days aren't interested in that kinda stuff anymore. But hey, what do I know right? Maybe they are interested, Santa, any luck?

AsnDragon.

No! There is! The shrimp fishing place will open again this week. It's at the end of the alley opposite the park in front of Mito's.

Santa

02-10-12, 19:50

An Asian friend of mine arrived back in CP today and wanted his first stop to be a sauna. We went to the sauna in the shopping plaza at the end of Swan Road. I think it's called Mei Bao Suana? You go past the Clipper and past the Manhatten and the plaza is on the right. It's on the 4th floor of the plaza.

We sit in a room and some guy brings 6 girls. He brings about 3 more lineups. My friend does all the talking, since his Chinese is better than mine, though I understood most of what was said. The sauna guy guessed that I was probably american and joked that americans make lots of money and that he likes american money.

We like some of the girls, but my friend wants to shop around a little so we leave. The sauna guy follows us into the elevator and writes down on a piece of paper in Chinese "women Yao..... I told him I don't understand Chinese characters and asked what did it say. No reply. Then we walk out of the elevator and the guy writes down "100rmb service fee" This I understood but I did not reply. I was a little confused as to why he would think we should pay for just looking. That has never happened before. Then he says to me friend "tell him he must pay 100". I understood that!

My friend said no. I said "bu xing", not ok.

Then we walk away and the guy shouts out in English "fuck you". He shouts out "fuck you" three or four more times as was walk to the exit.

We went the Virgin Sauna next and my friend picked a girl there. We might have gone back to the Mei Bao for the evening lineup had we been treated with courtesy.

I recommend that all ISG brothers stay away from the Mei Bao sauna.

Big Swinging Dave, I have the guys card if you want to know his name. I know you will want to keep your guys away from him.

Santa

02-10-12, 20:08

Santa,

It's funny because it was Jim Traveller that introduced me to that shrimp fishing place a few years back. I have never been there or taken a girl there before. I would think that girls these days aren't interested in that kinda stuff anymore. But hey, what do I know right? Maybe they are interested, Santa, any luck?

AsnDragon.It's a Taiwanese invention. You go shrimping when you've had enough of the girls and want some real fun.

Why are shrimp better than girls? They don't smell like old fish!

Jettsetter

02-11-12, 01:13

An Asian friend of mine arrived back in CP today and wanted his first stop to be a sauna. We went to the sauna in the shopping plaza at the end of Swan Road. I think it's called Mei Bao Suana? You go past the Clipper and past the Manhatten and the plaza is on the right. It's on the 4th floor of the plaza.

We sit in a room and some guy brings 6 girls. He brings about 3 more lineups. My friend does all the talking, since his Chinese is better than mine, though I understood most of what was said. The sauna guy guessed that I was probably american and joked that americans make lots of money and that he likes american money.

We like some of the girls, but my friend wants to shop around a little so we leave. The sauna guy follows us into the elevator and writes down on a piece of paper in Chinese "women Yao. I told him I don't understand Chinese characters and asked what did it say. No reply. Then we walk out of the elevator and the guy writes down "100rmb service fee" This I understood but I did not reply. I was a little confused as to why he would think we should pay for just looking. That has never happened before. Then he says to me friend "tell him he must pay 100". I understood that!

My friend said no. I said "bu xing", not ok.

Then we walk away and the guy shouts out in English "fuck you". He shouts out "fuck you" three or four more times as was walk to the exit.

We went the Virgin Sauna next and my friend picked a girl there. We might have gone back to the Mei Bao for the evening lineup had we been treated with courtesy.

I recommend that all ISG brothers stay away from the Mei Bao sauna.

Big Swinging Dave, I have the guys card if you want to know his name. I know you will want to keep your guys away from him.That's a first. Santa, send me his name or his number and let me find out. I have a contact at MB and I want to make sure it's not the same guy. I'll also let him know that this kind of stuff is not acceptable because we stick together.

Never heard of that kind of stuff before. I'm glad you had some backup there. But unfortunately foreigners are going to be targets in China. We got your back Santa.

-J

Santa

02-11-12, 10:21

That's a first. Santa, send me his name or his number and let me find out.

-JThanks Jett. I emailed the douchbag's card to Dave. I asked Dave to forward it to you.

Big Swingin Dave

02-11-12, 10:39

An Asian friend of mine arrived back in CP today and wanted his first stop to be a sauna. We went to the sauna in the shopping plaza at the end of Swan Road. I think it's called Mei Bao Suana? You go past the Clipper and past the Manhatten and the plaza is on the right. It's on the 4th floor of the plaza.

We sit in a room and some guy brings 6 girls. He brings about 3 more lineups. My friend does all the talking, since his Chinese is better than mine, though I understood most of what was said. The sauna guy guessed that I was probably american and joked that americans make lots of money and that he likes american money.

We like some of the girls, but my friend wants to shop around a little so we leave. The sauna guy follows us into the elevator and writes down on a piece of paper in Chinese "women Yao. I told him I don't understand Chinese characters and asked what did it say. No reply. Then we walk out of the elevator and the guy writes down "100rmb service fee" This I understood but I did not reply. I was a little confused as to why he would think we should pay for just looking. That has never happened before. Then he says to me friend "tell him he must pay 100". I understood that!

My friend said no. I said "bu xing", not ok.

Then we walk away and the guy shouts out in English "fuck you". He shouts out "fuck you" three or four more times as was walk to the exit.

We went the Virgin Sauna next and my friend picked a girl there. We might have gone back to the Mei Bao for the evening lineup had we been treated with courtesy.

I recommend that all ISG brothers stay away from the Mei Bao sauna.

Big Swinging Dave, I have the guys card if you want to know his name. I know you will want to keep your guys away from him.I've been to CP 3 years and have never been asked to pay or have heard of anyone needing to pay for viewing girls at any (Sauna, KTV, BBS, etc.) venue. If this is the case, no one will be coming to CP. This is quite unusual so Santa, please send me the name and number of the manager that is trying to do this and I will let the GM know and make him understand that if this practice exists at Mei Bao then they will be losing a lot of business in the future.

BSD

AsnDragon

02-11-12, 12:24

Santa,

So sorry to hear about your Meibao experience. It's strange because Meibao has usually always been very courteous to their customers. I too would like to know the name of this manager so that I can make sure that he is not my main contact there. If he is, then I will make it a point to not use him anymore.

What's wrong with CP these days, are people just hungry for money or something? Don't they think that there are negative repercussions for acting rude and swearing at customers? I know that Meibao has become very famous in CP lately that even people from Shanghai and Beijing have heard of it and often frequent Meibao due to its reputation. It's almost as popular as Virgin Sauna at the main strip. But you would think that with their reputation as a "to go to Sauna" that they would show the same level of service that would match their reputation.

Incredible! Hope these people really shape up!

AsnDragon.

An Asian friend of mine arrived back in CP today and wanted his first stop to be a sauna. We went to the sauna in the shopping plaza at the end of Swan Road. I think it's called Mei Bao Suana? You go past the Clipper and past the Manhatten and the plaza is on the right. It's on the 4th floor of the plaza.

We sit in a room and some guy brings 6 girls. He brings about 3 more lineups. My friend does all the talking, since his Chinese is better than mine, though I understood most of what was said. The sauna guy guessed that I was probably american and joked that americans make lots of money and that he likes american money.

We like some of the girls, but my friend wants to shop around a little so we leave. The sauna guy follows us into the elevator and writes down on a piece of paper in Chinese "women Yao. I told him I don't understand Chinese characters and asked what did it say. No reply. Then we walk out of the elevator and the guy writes down "100rmb service fee" This I understood but I did not reply. I was a little confused as to why he would think we should pay for just looking. That has never happened before. Then he says to me friend "tell him he must pay 100". I understood that!

My friend said no. I said "bu xing", not ok.

Then we walk away and the guy shouts out in English "fuck you". He shouts out "fuck you" three or four more times as was walk to the exit.

We went the Virgin Sauna next and my friend picked a girl there. We might have gone back to the Mei Bao for the evening lineup had we been treated with courtesy.

I recommend that all ISG brothers stay away from the Mei Bao sauna.

Big Swinging Dave, I have the guys card if you want to know his name. I know you will want to keep your guys away from him.

Santa

02-11-12, 20:09

ISO 9000

02-11-12, 20:32

I've never heard or know any Changping Sauna that charges a viewing fee even if you don't select any masseuse.

AsnDragon

02-12-12, 04:45

Brothers,

Don't know how CP is right now, but as with every year, usually about 1 month after the official Chinese New Year celebration, girls start to come back to CP to work. Either they spent all of their money back in their village, or their family gave them the new pressure to perform and earn more money to send back to support the family. Regardless of the reason, girls usually start coming back slowly starting at around this time. As BSD said it won't really be back to normal until end of Feb to Beginning of Match.

Out of curiosity, I just wanted to check with whoever is there- Santa, SEAN, BSD everyone else how the inventory of girls are these days?

AsnDragon

Bnlee2

02-12-12, 04:56

SE Asia Joe

02-12-12, 07:00

I want to thank Jett, Dave, Dragon and the other members of this forum for your support. It's good to know that I have friends who are ready to help.

I should add that the management at the Virgin were very polite and helpful. I did not take a girl, but the guy thanked me for coming in a very courteous way. There was no bullshit and no pressure at all.Tell you what Santa, it may even be worthed / justified for you to actually put up here the name of the guy; that way any one of us who goes up there can join the onslaught against this particular wanker and let the management know that we mongers ain't going to take no crap from him or anybody else. Not if they want to stay in our good standing.

Also, guys who are members of other forums can then also "put out the word" on this wanker on their own respective other forums.

So, Santa, whaddya think? Just make sure you don't also absent-mindedy write out his phone number! You'll get your ass banned from the forum? LMAO!

SEAN, Such a Sweet Swede!

Woojoo

02-12-12, 14:02

I am planning to visit Doungguan (ChangPing) in 29-FEB.

And I have found several saunas are mentioned here. (HuiMei, Miraton, MeiBao, Virgin, Eurasia, JinLang, FuHao, etc.)

As my visit is just for one-night, I want to know whether they are currently in service and which one is the best in CP.

Santa

02-12-12, 16:10

At dinner tonight one of my friends said he talked to people at Mei Bao Sauna and they said they have been charging white laoweis 100 rmb to look. If that is true, I wonder how that shit got started? Big swinging dicks flashing their dollars around?

After we left the sauna my thoughts were that "maybe" he had collected 100 before from white laoweis and that is why he became angry when I refused to pay. Maybe he was expecting it? Maybe?

ManonsanBoy

02-12-12, 23:24

Girls are flooding back to thia part of the world. Went to Holiday Hotel (Hang Siang) Saturday. The place was buzzing with activity but the supply was there. Got a chunky one with 36C from "chungching" and she gave a perfectly professional "fu wu" culminating in a sucking oral creampie. After shower, she gave me a adequate massage. 2 for price of 1. Says she has earnt more in 2 weeks since the new year than she earnt last 2 months of 2011 working in a proper massage place in futian. There is a great deal of competition right now with many saunas slashing price of the rooms but the days of 400 girls are over. Cheapest in the Tangxia area is Golden Island where the cheapest girl is 500 and the room is complimentary.

AsnDragon

02-13-12, 07:14

ManonsanBoy,

Last month of 2011 I was at Golden Island and they were totally underground. Front entrance had no lights on, you had to enter in through the restaurant in the side of the building, girls weren't even in their uniforms due to that crackdown across the street at Golden Lake. How's the situation in Tangxia right now? Are sauna places still very secretive and trying to stay out of the radar? Or is it business as usual again?

I'm disappointed that Golden Island no longer has the naked preview room anymore. Very say to see that go.

Besides Goodview, and Golden Island, any other Saunas in Tangxia you would recommend? Sunshine Hotel has never picked back up since 2007. Any suggestions?

AsnDragon.

Girls are flooding back to thia part of the world. Went to Holiday Hotel (Hang Siang) Saturday. The place was buzzing with activity but the supply was there. Got a chunky one with 36C from "chungching" and she gave a perfectly professional "fu wu" culminating in a sucking oral creampie. After shower, she gave me a adequate massage. 2 for price of 1. Says she has earnt more in 2 weeks since the new year than she earnt last 2 months of 2011 working in a proper massage place in futian. There is a great deal of competition right now with many saunas slashing price of the rooms but the days of 400 girls are over. Cheapest in the Tangxia area is Golden Island where the cheapest girl is 500 and the room is complimentary.

AsnDragon

02-13-12, 07:19

Woojoo,

Best in CP? Well that is a bit subjective. Best to one person is different to another. So you may need to be specific on what you are looking for exactly.

AsnDragon.

I am planning to visit Doungguan (ChangPing) in 29-FEB.

And I have found several saunas are mentioned here. (HuiMei, Miraton, MeiBao, Virgin, Eurasia, JinLang, FuHao, etc.)

As my visit is just for one-night, I want to know whether they are currently in service and which one is the best in CP.

Big Swingin Dave

02-13-12, 19:40

Out of curiosity, I just wanted to check with whoever is there- Santa, SEAN, BSD everyone else how the inventory of girls are these days?

AsnDragonBBS and KTV girls are back to 90% capacity. Sauna, Massage / Footie (clean and dirty) girls are at about 60% capacity (reason being that these girls have to go through a training program before they can start working, so probably a couple weeks more before they are approved by management before they can start working).

For those of you planning to visit CP on Friday and Saturday nights, please book your hotel rooms and reserve your KTV rooms early as it is already back to being completely booked for the weekend.

For those of you planning to visit CP from February 28 through March 4, please book your hotels now as it is during Taiwanese "Peace" holiday weekend. I remember last year during this time, we went to Mayflower and all the KTV rooms (150) were booked and they opened Tao Yuan (booked another 35 rooms). Even with the WG numbers in full strength, there were not enough girls for all the patrons. I remember that the room next to ours had 14 Taiwanese guys with only 4 WG. That is as bad as it is going to get so plan ahead if you are coming during that time.

BSD

Woojoo

02-14-12, 01:11

Woojoo,

Best in CP? Well that is a bit subjective. Best to one person is different to another. So you may need to be specific on what you are looking for exactly.

AsnDragon.We are a 3-Man Group. We have experienced pretty much (In MANILA, MACAU). But the first time to CP.

We want the best CP style service, and want to have a chance of choicing from MANY Girls. .

I guess 1K RMB is enough per person for SAUNA. Am I right?

PorscheDriver

02-14-12, 01:53

AsnDragon

02-14-12, 05:53

WOOJOO,

Well it also depends on the quality of girls you are seeking. If you compare the Sauna girls in CP, I don't think they are as pretty as the girls in Macau Saunas, in my personal opinion. But the girls in CP saunas are younger which is a major plus.

If you want Macau quality caliber girls, you should check up on Chang An Saunas. The rates in Chang An model girls that are 170 cm and taller is about 1250 RMB inclusive of room fee. On average CA girls are prettier than CP girls in my opinion.

Also one day in CP is not enough.

Pretty much I would rate most saunas you listed to be one par with each other. They all have their positive and negatives.

Hui Hua- more elegant looking girls.

Meibao- Quantity and variety.

Virgin- Lots of quantity of girls.

Jinglang- Service is good.

Eurasia- rooms are nicer, cleaner feel.

Yihao- not much selection, but girls are overall good. Not like other places where girls are really good or really bad.

Hui Mei- facility is old, girls are not as great, but service is not bad and they have a show for you to pick out girls, a plus.

New Century- haven't been there in a while and girls were just standard.

Walter Hotel- they have many girls from KTV from last visit.

Miraton- no quanity of girls, but their girls are more experienced in my previous encounters.

Clipper- No variety, but the ones that are good are keeper and really good.

Swan Lake- Girls on average are not as pretty, but younger and more willing to please. Quantity is an issue.

Jing Mei- Good service, rooms newly renovated, but lack of quantity, but has a show

Lucky Hotel- cheap rates overall for the quality a bargain establishment.

Jing di Li- Sauna is even more of a bargain establishment, but girl quality is lacking. But rooms are new although a bit small.

Manhattan Sauna- girls are lacking, rooms need to be updated, but there were two model quality girls that were really hot! And I usually don't easily compliment girls.

But to tell you the truth, I would contact BSD Dave to help you out in showing you around. As he's there 24/7 and he's got lists and lists of who's good and who's not so good and contacts of managers that will treat you better and sometimes give you a break on the room fees. So I would still contact Dave if I were you. And I would stay in CP for at least 2-3 days.

AsnDragon.

We are a 3-Man Group. We have experienced pretty much (In MANILA, MACAU). But the first time to CP.

We want the best CP style service, and want to have a chance of choicing from MANY Girls. .

I guess 1K RMB is enough per person for SAUNA. Am I right?

AsnDragon

02-14-12, 05:57

Santa

02-14-12, 21:49

I typed in "express" on YOUKU and found an old classic black and white movie called Shanghai Express. It's about a couple of hookers on their way to Shanghai during the civil war. The year is 1931. Stars the famous Marlene Dietrich. Great photography and fun to watch.

PorscheDriver

02-15-12, 01:27

Porsche,

Metropolitan Hotel brings back lots of memories for me. I lived there for about 2 weeks when it first opened back in 2004. At the time everything was new and fresh. Their KTV was the talk for the town because goodview had not opened yet. At that time it was the newest hotel in town. Sunshine Hotel opened a few months prior. At the time, metropolitan Hotel had the most amount of KTV girls at one point too. It was impressive back in 2004 in a town like Tangxia that was just up and coming at that time.

Metropolitan had always been so secretive about their Sauna services. They never openly advertised it like they did with Golden lake and Golden island and sunshine hotel. Once I went to the sauna, and they told me they only have normal massage services and no "additional services" during one of the crackdown seasons many years back.

I never went there because they were always so careful and fearful of their clientele. But I may have to try it one of these days.

AsnDragon.AsnDragon,

I can't speak to Metropolitan's sauna being secretive, always been there with a local who took care of everything. My Chinese is simply non-existing. Talked to some hotel guest's at times, they all have been in the sauna and none has mentioned any difficulty getting the service they were looking for.

Last time I was there was the end of November 2011; visited both the sauna and also spent time in the KTV. I had no problem finding girls I liked in the sauna, KTV was a different story. The line ups had some very nice looking girls, on two different evenings I picked what turned out to being duds in bed.

AsnDragon

02-15-12, 04:24

Porsche,

For some reason most of the KTV girls in Tangxia turned out to all be duds in bed. I don't know if I have a bad track record or not, but 1 from goodview. 1 from sunshine. 1 from golden island and 1 from golden lake KTV out of the 4, I only had one ok session from a KTV chick from sunshine hotel.

I think that there perhaps is less competition in Tangxia that the girls feel like they can get away with more things. Whereas in CP with lots of girls, they need to stay competitive to survive in a booming town like CP.

AsnDragon.

AsnDragon,

I can't speak to Metropolitan's sauna being secretive, always been there with a local who took care of everything. My Chinese is simply non-existing. Talked to some hotel guest's at times, they all have been in the sauna and none has mentioned any difficulty getting the service they were looking for.

Last time I was there was the end of November 2011; visited both the sauna and also spent time in the KTV. I had no problem finding girls I liked in the sauna, KTV was a different story. The line ups had some very nice looking girls, on two different evenings I picked what turned out to being duds in bed.

SE Asia Joe

02-15-12, 06:09

Porsche,

For some reason most of the KTV girls in Tangxia turned out to all be duds in bed. I don't know if I have a bad track record or not, but 1 from goodview. 1 from sunshine. 1 from golden island and 1 from golden lake KTV out of the 4, I only had one ok session from a KTV chick from sunshine hotel.

I think that there perhaps is less competition in Tangxia that the girls feel like they can get away with more things. Whereas in CP with lots of girls, they need to stay competitive to survive in a booming town like CP.

AsnDragon.Yes, that is probably one reason.

But a more likely reason is IMHO, that these gals / Mommies / Managers in Tangxia, Dalang etc are ONLY interested I serving the BSD and repeat monger.

Factory owners / managers, high government officials, rich and free spending businessmen, these type clients they'll practically lick their feet. The occasional visitors from overseas or even Hong Kong, hell, el cheapos who are NOT going to be a regular anyways. Forget US!

Just IMHO.

SEAN Sweet Swede

Lucky21

02-15-12, 08:07

Woojoo

02-15-12, 09:31

Woojoo

02-15-12, 11:15

WOOJOO,

Well it also depends on the quality of girls you are seeking. If you compare the Sauna girls in CP, I don't think they are as pretty as the girls in Macau Saunas, in my personal opinion. But the girls in CP saunas are younger which is a major plus.

If you want Macau quality caliber girls, you should check up on Chang An Saunas. The rates in Chang An model girls that are 170 cm and taller is about 1250 RMB inclusive of room fee. On average CA girls are prettier than CP girls in my opinion.

Also one day in CP is not enough.

Pretty much I would rate most saunas you listed to be one par with each other. They all have their positive and negatives.

Hui Hua- more elegant looking girls.

Meibao- Quantity and variety.

Virgin- Lots of quantity of girls.

Jinglang- Service is good.

Eurasia- rooms are nicer, cleaner feel.

Yihao- not much selection, but girls are overall good. Not like other places where girls are really good or really bad.

Hui Mei- facility is old, girls are not as great, but service is not bad and they have a show for you to pick out girls, a plus.

New Century- haven't been there in a while and girls were just standard.

Walter Hotel- they have many girls from KTV from last visit.

Miraton- no quanity of girls, but their girls are more experienced in my previous encounters.

Clipper- No variety, but the ones that are good are keeper and really good.

Swan Lake- Girls on average are not as pretty, but younger and more willing to please. Quantity is an issue.

Jing Mei- Good service, rooms newly renovated, but lack of quantity, but has a show

Lucky Hotel- cheap rates overall for the quality a bargain establishment.

Jing di Li- Sauna is even more of a bargain establishment, but girl quality is lacking. But rooms are new although a bit small.

Manhattan Sauna- girls are lacking, rooms need to be updated, but there were two model quality girls that were really hot! And I usually don't easily compliment girls.

But to tell you the truth, I would contact BSD Dave to help you out in showing you around. As he's there 24/7 and he's got lists and lists of who's good and who's not so good and contacts of managers that will treat you better and sometimes give you a break on the room fees. So I would still contact Dave if I were you. And I would stay in CP for at least 2-3 days.

AsnDragon.Dear AsnDragon.

Thanks for your kind response. It helped me a lot.

Based on your explaination, I think MEIBAO (and VIRGIN) suits for us. .

If one day is not enough, we can visit again. (we'll be staying in Hongkong by 3-MAR.)

BTW, Could you advise me how to contact BSD Dave?

FYI, We will use the TRAIN to CHANGPING DONGGUAN from HONGKONG.

Robertsui321

02-15-12, 17:02

Hi,

I will be in CP towards the end of next week. I am interested to dock up with regulars / newbies / whoever to party for a few days. Anyone interested kindly PM me?

Thanks

Jettsetter

02-15-12, 18:52

No disrespect to the veterens, but I have had the pleasure of a few girls in Tangxia, none of whom were duds. One Anhui beauty was so horny, she almost broke my tool!

Heading back in a few weeks. Can hardly wait.Honestly, all it takes is just one girl. Depending on your tastes and who you pick, it can either be paradise or hell (well not such a bad hell). But point is that these girls move from place to place. What we're playing with these places are the odds. There is a general good and bad vibe depending on how management controls their scene. So that is a factor as well. But in terms of girls, it's just what we have to pick from that is most important. I mean back when SEAJ introduced me to FuHao. I rmeember them having a line up of maybe 100 girls. No guys, you got the pick of the litter. But the great thing was that these girls generally had good attitudes (the pool of girls were great). But some guys who joined us had crappy times because they aimed high (super hot girls. And some scored and some were disappointed). My tastes are more cute than "hot" per se. So I had more range and had a great time my first few times.

I don't know if fellow guys remember "Dancer". I'm sure there's been many since. But she was super hot. But had BO. Ugh. Haha. So it's all a crap shoot. I mean after all, all we need is one girl right? (well, maybe some other guys need more) , but generally we just need one.

It all depends on how good you are at picking!

I'm sure we all had our gems and are not really going to share. But we've all had our horror stories too right?

My biggest dud, was a good lay. Huge tigos. Finished Russian with a pearl necklace. Then she stole my blackberry. No iphones back then. (well I didn't have one). But that was a downer to lose my phone.

Anyways. Happy hunting boys. Be there soon.

-J

Santa

02-16-12, 17:47

Another crackdown this evening. The two shops behind Legend and the HeiMei shops were closed this evening making an already bad situation worse, leaving only a few shops open with 5 or 6 girls in each.

I remember a time when there was many shops and hundreds of girls available.

Over the past few years half of the shops have closed, and now, there are far fewer girls and more mongrels mongering. So the selection is bad and the service is rushed.

Just my opinion.

SE Asia Joe

02-19-12, 16:21

The guy who gave Santa and his friend a hard time and demanded RMB 100 just for looking at the line-up at Mei bao.

- anybody proficient with using QQ?

If so, this is what I got from another forum where I publicized Santa's plight.

Font size: S M L.

If you really want to complain about him add 380981700 on qq and talk to shirley she is the upper management of MB which looks after all the managers, or she maybe the CEO can't remember.Anybody?

SEAN

Santa

02-19-12, 16:38

I was out of town for a few days and now I have been told the crackdown is over.

SE Asia Joe

02-19-12, 17:31

I was out of town for a few days and now I have been told the crackdown is over.Out for a few days huh!

Where did you go to?

Got in any 'entertainment?"

SEAN. I'm such a curious Swede!

ManonsanBoy

02-19-12, 21:09

ManonsanBoy,

Besides Goodview, and Golden Island, any other Saunas in Tangxia you would recommend? Sunshine Hotel has never picked back up since 2007. Any suggestions?

AsnDragon.Sunshine is past it. The clients are not enough for the facilities to be competitive.

There are 3 places I like; Sunny Business hotel, holiday (hung siang) hotel and Xiu Jing, all close Daping park. At present, probably holiday and sunny have best selection. It was very busy at the sunny yesterday (the car park was full).

AsnDragon

02-20-12, 08:32

SEAN,

Ever since you dropped your SEAJ title and turned to the whole SEAN title, there's been so many adjectives you keep piling on:

EG:

Sweet SEAN.

Curious SEAN.

Why don't you add in SEXY SEAN and SULTRY SEAN and many more. Haha. I think it would at least keep this board somewhat interesting.

AsnDragon.

Out for a few days huh!

Where did you go to?

Got in any 'entertainment?"

SEAN. I'm such a curious Swede!

AsnDragon

02-20-12, 08:34

ManonsanBoy,

So I guess I've been going to all the outdated places in Tangxia. Never been to the three that you mentioned. I'll have to try it out and see how their talent stands these days.

Have you been to CP and CA? How would you compare the talent of CP and CA to Tangxia these days? I've recently not been that impressed with what I've gotten from Tangixa these few months. Any of them offer naked previews of the girls like Golden Island use to have?

AsnDragon.

Sunshine is past it. The clients are not enough for the facilities to be competitive.

There are 3 places I like; Sunny Business hotel, holiday (hung siang) hotel and Xiu Jing, all close Daping park. At present, probably holiday and sunny have best selection. It was very busy at the sunny yesterday (the car park was full).

AsnDragon

02-20-12, 08:37

Woojoo,

You have to subscribe to ISQ membership and pay the yearly fee. It allows you to PM BSD Dave. It's worth the money in my opinion. I don't work for Jackson nor ISG, but since we all met on this board it's only fair to contribute to Jackson's cause right?

Hope you don't get that idiot manager that Santa bumped into that charges foreigners money to just view girls at Meibao.

Good Luck.

AsnDragon.

Dear AsnDragon.

Thanks for your kind response. It helped me a lot.

Based on your explaination, I think MEIBAO (and VIRGIN) suits for us. .

If one day is not enough, we can visit again. (we'll be staying in Hongkong by 3-MAR.)

BTW, Could you advise me how to contact BSD Dave?

FYI, We will use the TRAIN to CHANGPING DONGGUAN from HONGKONG.

AsnDragon

02-20-12, 08:41

Jett,

Yeah I think I remember that BO girl. Was she the Fuhao girl? Man she sat inbetween you and I and her BO just came from all directions not just from her armpit. It was permeating throughout the room. But from what I recall she was kind of cute though with large knockers. I saw her again and she recognized me and I did not pick her for obvious reasons.

You think I should bring some Deodorant for these girls? I don't think a roll on stick's going to cut it, perhaps a spray on deodorant?

AsnDragon.

I don't know if fellow guys remember "Dancer". I'm sure there's been many since. But she was super hot. But had BO. Ugh. Haha.

-J

Big Swingin Dave

02-21-12, 03:39

It is mayhem in CP especially if you want to stay or play at Yihao.

It's not even a month past Chinese New Year and the mongers are sweeping into CP like the girls are free. Last Wednesday (the 15th) , I couldn't even get a room at Yihao (albeit I didn't start checking for availability until 5:30pm) , typically Wednesday is a slow night but not anymore in CP. Last night (Monday) we went to Yihao and it was completely sold out. I tried to reserve rooms for this upcoming Thursday through the weekend and the hotel is sold out even though on it's website it is still taking reservations but really all they are doing is putting you on a waiting list. The website will give you a reservation number but immediately they will call you and let you know that the rooms are not confirmed and that you have been put on a waiting list. If you wait til you get to the hotel to see if you have a confirmed reservation then it may be too late to find other rooms at the major hotels (especially if it is on a Friday / Saturday night).

The hotel rooms situtation is not only a problem at Yihao but at all the major hotels in CP. This weekend is almost completely sold out already and I was checking on Monday, typically, if it is a busy weekend, it will start selling out on Thursday and not on Monday.

With the way things are, I forsee that the hotels will start increasing the prices (Yihao already said that it will increase the room prices 30-50RMB more per night starting March 1st) and the WG prices will most likely follow suit.

My advice is that if you are "planning" to come to CP then plan ahead and make your reservations early.

BSD

Big Swingin Dave

02-21-12, 04:11

The Tangxia (TX) Hui Hua Hotel is the newest 5 STARs (China standard) hotel in Dongguan. Interesting factoid: Beijing and Shanghai is ranked number 1 and 2 in the number of 5 STARs hotel in China and interestingly Dongguan (a tier 2 city) is ranked number 3.

Changping (CP) offers enough venues so usually I don't venture outside of this bustling little town but on Sunday, four of my customers asked me to take them to TX and it's my first time going there. It is about 30 minutes by highway or 40 minutes on service road, cost is 100RMB by taxi / private car. TX has a few other venues for play but its a bit spreadout and flagging down a taxi is not so easy, kind of remind me of Changan but newer. I passed by a few real estate offices and majority of the postings were for Villas (cost in the 1 million to 8 million RMB range) , who said Chinamen don't have money.

The Hui Hua hotel is the sister hotel of the one in CP but this one is built with more Pizzazz and a bit more grand looking. The hotel rooms mirrors the same of that in CP but in brand new condition. There is a small shopping center next to the hotel, other than that there is nothing else around the neighborhood. We ate in the Chinese restaurant which was quite good but a bit pricy (5 people 640RMB and I didn't eat much).

The KTV was on par with Yihao with high ceilings, large projection screens with LCD flatpanel TVs on the side. Since it was a Monday night, there were only about 200 girls working in three categories: 3-8-12, 4-10-15, and 5-15-20. Quality wise it's a bit below par if comparing to Yihao's 2-6-9, 3-7-10, and 4-10-15 but the best part is the service and attitude of the girls. The girls were quite attentive and having been to hundreds of KTV parties I can see that they were trained very well. They were presented in a classy style with uniformity. Long blue dresses for 3-8-12; red dresses for the 4-10-15, and black dresses for the 5-15-20 girls. If the girls wear a red string which displays their work badge then they are unavailable for takeout. I did not see one girl (total there were 9 in our room plus one DJ) using their mobile phone, ask to change to their street clothes or order a snack or look bored or ask to leave early the entire evening. We drank four bottles of Glenmorangie with mixers, snacks, and fruit and the bill totaled 3, 646 plus 300 tip for the DJ and 100 tip for the service boy. It was a bit pricy but everyone had a good time.

If the CP regulars are tired of the same old venues then they should consider venturing out and partying at other DG cities which is within 45 mintues of the radius of CP.

BSD

FeiGohGoh

02-23-12, 01:59

It is mayhem in CP especially if you want to stay or play at Yihao.

With the way things are, I forsee that the hotels will start increasing the prices (Yihao already said that it will increase the room prices 30-50RMB more per night starting March 1st) and the WG prices will most likely follow suit.

My advice is that if you are "planning" to come to CP then plan ahead and make your reservations early.

BSDYes indeed. CP is jamm packed with people, do make your bookings as early as possible.

Dave, nice bumping into you almost everywhere. Kekeke!

FGG

Freepeaks

02-23-12, 07:18

SEAN,

EG:

Sweet SEAN.

Curious SEAN.

AsnDragon.Still think he should have changed his name to NOKIA, once his starts handing.

Out iphones we can just call him Steve Jobs.

Freepeaks

02-23-12, 07:29

Jett,

Yeah I think I remember that BO girl. Was she the Fuhao girl? Man she sat inbetween you and I and her BO just came from all directions not just from her armpit. It was permeating throughout the room. But from what I recall she was kind of cute though with large knockers. I saw her again and she recognized me and I did not pick her for obvious reasons.

You think I should bring some Deodorant for these girls? I don't think a roll on stick's going to cut it, perhaps a spray on deodorant?For some reason, I have bad BO luck at Amazon. The first time there right after it reopened I picked a girl that I had.

To send back within 5 minutes or die from the smell. Last time also I have one stinker. Too bad they were.

Cute too.

Raideen

02-24-12, 19:07

Currently, I am at Wuhan and will visit CP tomorrow. I am looking for someone to hang out with. Following is my schedule at CP.

2/26.

6pm arrive CP.

7pm KTV.

2/27

Daytime. Sauna.

Evening.BBS.

2/28.

Daytime. BBS.

Evening. KTV.

I am by myself, so the schedule can be changed by any reason.

The purpose why I am looking for a company. To save some money at KTV and more fun, possibly. I do not enjoy to drink very much. Mostly, I drink less than a half of a bottle and that must be a waste of money. I came to think, if I have some other friends, we can split the money for the drink and the KTV action could be more fun.

This is my third visit to CP. I lost my connection with a 'Jingli' of Manhattan hotel who always managed my hotel booking as well as KTV room. So, I still have not decided which KTVs to visit.

I am not a kind of party guy. When I stay in KTV, I usually just concentrate on WGs and talk with her rather than dancing, playing games or else.

You can just participate some part of my planned actions. If you have some interest, please send me PM.

Newbie or experienced, anyone is welcomed.

Raideen

02-25-12, 17:14

If you know the contact information of Amazon KTV, please PM me.

I think the phone number of a KTV manager would be great.

I have never been there, but it seems like pretty fun place and I want to have a try.

Thanks!

GL

AsnDragon

02-26-12, 04:38

Freepeaks,

I haven't been back to Amazon in quite some time. I think the last time I was there was with you back last year. I don't understand why or how, but it always smells like mold inside that place. I think it's because they don't change their water near that ship area and there's not a whole lot of proper ventilation.

But girls in general are more open and crazy there. Not necessarily the prettiest, but they can get right down wild. Remember back in the days at Kangcheng? I guess same manager, same management at Amazon, so that explains the openness factor amongst the girls.

But BO. Big nono!

ASnDragon.

For some reason, I have bad BO luck at Amazon. The first time there right after it reopened I picked a girl that I had.

To send back within 5 minutes or die from the smell. Last time also I have one stinker. Too bad they were.

Cute too.

AsnDragon

02-26-12, 04:55

Thanks to BSD Dave for arranging yesterday's party.

As BSD Dave had described, this 4 day long weekend for Taiwanese really screwed up the whole scene in CP. Tons of sausages all over the place. All hotel rooms are booked, KTV rooms are booked, Saunas take forever, BBS girls are cleaned out by 5 pm, footie rooms and masseuse are all booked, taxis are hard to find. Even at Eurasia, I haven't seen this many guys waiting on the flower street for Girls to come out at 6:00 pm at Eurasia for a long long time. Perhaps not since Eurasia's first grand opening a couple of years ago.

I come in at 5:30 pm, as BSD dave had advised me to (great advice dave) and there were already 30 guys there. By 6 pm there must have been at least 100 guys there waiting to jump at the first signs of girls walking in. All these sausages clamoring around on the second floor, third floor and fourth floor. It was as if the crowd was divided amongst tastes and preferences.

Second floor Models- you see guys, high rollers down there picking out their picks right away.

Third floor- medium grade girls- you see guys on the budget but still wanting quality picking out their girls.

Fourth floor- starting grade girls- you see guys picking out the shorter, but cuter girls.

What I was most impressed with was the amount of Models in Eurasia. There were so many more models than I saw last time I was at Eurasia. I mean there must have been at least 60-70 models that I could count. Of course recently these days the definition of model girls are not like how it use to be. Before back int he days you needed to be 170 cm and taller with no acceptions. Even if you are 168 cm, you are not allowed to be a model. This was invented by the whole Royal Garden Standard, which was followed by all other places like Sangem goodview Tangxia and then eurasia in the beginning days. But now most of the girls aren't even all that tall. 165 cm and taller girls can be a model. In fact some girls don't even appear to be 165 cm. But regardless, they present the models in the best fashion at Eurasia as opposed to Yihao or other places around CP.

So if you are looking for Models in CP Eurasia is still the best place to look for them.

Last night, most people picked models except for me and this one other brother in the room. But 4 out of 6 guys picked 2 models each. I must say that overall the models in the room were quite pretty. Some were ice princesses acting all cold and disinterested, but at least 50% of the models appeared to be semi friendly.

There's a trade off with Models. Models have this mentality that they are the "best" and therefore usually&65292; but not always&65292; act a certain way that can be interpreted as being a bit arrogant. But this is to be expected anywhere, the prettier you are, the more "entitled" you would be.

It was certainly a sausage fest with so many guys fighting for girls like it's the end of the world. But during these busy times, flower street is still a fair game for whoever is quicker and more decisive.

AsnDragon

ManonsanBoy

02-26-12, 12:19

Freepeaks

02-27-12, 00:39

I haven't been back to Amazon in quite some time. I think the last time I was there was with you back last year. I don't understand why or how, but it always smells like mold inside that place. I think it's because they don't change their water near that ship area and there's not a whole lot of proper ventilation.

ASnDragon.Bad ventiliation, being closed up for years without anyone in there (sofas were not changed after I think just maybe cleaned.)

Yes very bad musty smell. Big concrete structure with high humidity inside due to the ship lake. It is like a basement, without.

Clean stuff to start and good ventilation and water sealing they will always be like that.

That is why I prefer to go there and get a larger room, the bigger rooms smell better, more open area.

Cheers.

Fast Eddie 48

02-27-12, 16:44

Bad ventiliation, being closed up for years without anyone in there (sofas were not changed after I think just maybe cleaned.)

Yes very bad musty smell. Big concrete structure with high humidity inside due to the ship lake. It is like a basement, without.

Clean stuff to start and good ventilation and water sealing they will always be like that.

That is why I prefer to go there and get a larger room, the bigger rooms smell better, more open area.

Cheers.Freespeak,

This is the place to go in CP back in 2002 when I first visit this town, I am surprise they are still open for buisness with all the large KTV been opening in CP last few yr.

Fast Eddie 48

SE Asia Joe

02-28-12, 10:03

Freespeak,

This is the place to go in CP back in 2002 when I first visit this town, I am surprise they are still open for buisness with all the large KTV been opening in CP last few yr.

Fast Eddie 48Ah, so, you see!

Nobody knows everything about anything all the time!

Amazon' been back open for at least a couple years!

SEAN

Sky Ryder

02-28-12, 14:57

Last night went to Amazon with about 10 other guys. I have to admit these gents know how to have fun. We had a huge room and were well positioned for the flower street. The "ROE" for this night was everyone pick two girls, but all the girls are "fair game", in other words, the girls aren't with just one guy, they are available to the entire room. We had agreed on a set of "rules" in case more than one guy wanted a girl, which led to a couple of pretty funny events.

Anyway after picking the girls went to eat, so the girls could sit for a while and not be drunk when the time to get naked rolled around. One of the girls I picked was way outside the norm for me, but there was something about her. As it turns out she is from Hanoi. First time I ever met a non-Chinese girl in a KTV.

Anyway after dinner we returned to the room and the rule was you couldn't sit with the girls you choose. BSD had pre-arranged 4 "seed" girls, because he knew they would be fun, and they did not disappoint. We had a lot of fun and about every half an hour, Dave would tell the guys to move to another table to get to play with all the girls. At some point in the dancing and game playing, I and one other guy wound up with no pants on. And well no underwear either. As I said it was wild!

The time came and the girls got naked and starting dancing around with all the guys in the room, quite a sight to see. We had a contest for the one with the best boobs, and gave away cash prizes to three ladies as well as one prize for the best Bush.

When it came time to choose, one guy had to fend off 4 challengers for his girl. Truth told he paid off one. It was really fun watching the guys compete for the girl. I am pretty sure she understood that the guy really wanted to take her home. I truly hope she was worth the effort.

The party didn't end until well after 1 am and was a lot of fun. I was reminded once again how the performance in the room, doesn't often translate into performance in the bed, especially when it comes to KTV girls. I probably should have listened to my instincts and gone with the Viet, but she is a real spinner and well, I decided the "bigger" boobs was a better choice. I hope not, because I want to believe the Viet could rock my world.

Thanks to BSD and all the guys for a great night and a good reminder of what a good time in KTV can be!

Thankfully they aren't all this crazy, my liver couldn't take it!

Fast Eddie 48

02-28-12, 20:23

Ah, so, you see!

Nobody knows everything about anything all the time!

Amazon' been back open for at least a couple years!

SEANTo Uncle Sean,

Who the hell is Sean so Amazon is your new hang out so what so good about Amazon now days, do they have girl with big boob and 3 legs please let me know.

Fast Eddie 48

ManonsanBoy

02-28-12, 20:47

I was picked up at ZMT station by my regular driver. I was going to Tangxia and during the trip, we discussed the sauna experience in Dongguan. He said it was famous throughout China and is a "must do" for visitors, especially for business people and government officials. Any sort of "fah piao" can be arranged to cover the activity. I visited Holiday Hotel, Daping, Tangxia and want to report a version of the Dongguan SOP.

After prior arrangement, I was ushered into a 3 / F public lounge with about 6 mongers and about 20 siao jai. There was soft music and the selection was 600 to 1000, based mainly on height and boob size. They had various badges denoting their price. When I was there, a party of 6 was being guided in their choice by 3 mummies. I walked in and made an immediate choise. Big ti# and a voluptous bottom. Face was pleasant, from Shanxi. 700. Off to a room with sauna. I had a quick shower and decided to spend 10 mins in the sauna. It had been cold and I wanted to sweat a bit. Usually the girls do not join you but this one did and I nippled at her tits and she got my dei dei erect. So out of sauna onto the water bed for a scrub. Shampoo first. Then a strong skin scrub from face to toes. This is followed by wash twice with soap. Then the girl use her tits to basically caress you, jump on top and massage your dick with her thighs and give you a cat bath. This one sucked my toes and licked my ass. She then after washing her mouth, gave me a passionate kiss (unusual) in the mouth and even presented her pussy for a DATY. All this still on the water bed. Then the expert blow job and CIM. She was unusal in that she stared back at me during the BJ. We then dried and moved to the bed. She dried my ears and clipped my nails and presented me with a menu. I said just a massage. This was OK. Some of these girls have worked in proper massage places before. After about 30 minutes, she slowly aroused me again with a rising stimulation, starting with hot breath in my ears and licking of my tits. This proceeded to a BJ and then a DATY as she guided my face towards her open legs. Then all position sex for 20 minutes. She took doggie heriocally because most do not like it as they have little control. I had a little trouble coming a second time and she finished me off with an expert HJ and CIM after oiling my dei dei. Immediately after, she put some warm water in her mouth and wrapped my dei dei around it. The feeling was intense.

5 minutes rest and it is off to a shower, dry and paid 700 for girl (plus 100 extra for good service) and 88 for the room. All this in 120 minutes. I asked when she was off and she said when my periods come. Then she goes to the local KTV to earn a little extra. I said will you spend a day with me. She said 1000 RMB including overnight. She wants to go to Guangzhou that day. I said I cannot fuck you with your period. She promised I will be satisfied and put her hand between by legs and tickled my ass. So I booked her on the 3rd day of her expected menses.

This was a great example of the sauna Dongguan SOP. Mamasan: Siao Deng 13823277157.

Go and enjoy.

Tryfor5

03-01-12, 11:52

Hi AsnDragon! This may an obvious question but is the Eurasia hotel in DG? Do you just walk in and take the elevator to second / third / fourth floors and just "hang out?" How do you mean by "flower street?"

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Thanks to BSD Dave for arranging yesterday's party.

As BSD Dave had described, this 4 day long weekend for Taiwanese really screwed up the whole scene in CP. Tons of sausages all over the place. All hotel rooms are booked, KTV rooms are booked, Saunas take forever, BBS girls are cleaned out by 5 pm, footie rooms and masseuse are all booked, taxis are hard to find. Even at Eurasia, I haven't seen this many guys waiting on the flower street for Girls to come out at 6:00 pm at Eurasia for a long long time. Perhaps not since Eurasia's first grand opening a couple of years ago.

I come in at 5:30 pm, as BSD dave had advised me to (great advice dave) and there were already 30 guys there. By 6 pm there must have been at least 100 guys there waiting to jump at the first signs of girls walking in. All these sausages clamoring around on the second floor, third floor and fourth floor. It was as if the crowd was divided amongst tastes and preferences.

Second floor Models- you see guys, high rollers down there picking out their picks right away.

Third floor- medium grade girls- you see guys on the budget but still wanting quality picking out their girls.

Fourth floor- starting grade girls- you see guys picking out the shorter, but cuter girls.

What I was most impressed with was the amount of Models in Eurasia. There were so many more models than I saw last time I was at Eurasia. I mean there must have been at least 60-70 models that I could count. Of course recently these days the definition of model girls are not like how it use to be. Before back int he days you needed to be 170 cm and taller with no acceptions. Even if you are 168 cm, you are not allowed to be a model. This was invented by the whole Royal Garden Standard, which was followed by all other places like Sangem goodview Tangxia and then eurasia in the beginning days. But now most of the girls aren't even all that tall. 165 cm and taller girls can be a model. In fact some girls don't even appear to be 165 cm. But regardless, they present the models in the best fashion at Eurasia as opposed to Yihao or other places around CP.

So if you are looking for Models in CP Eurasia is still the best place to look for them.

Last night, most people picked models except for me and this one other brother in the room. But 4 out of 6 guys picked 2 models each. I must say that overall the models in the room were quite pretty. Some were ice princesses acting all cold and disinterested, but at least 50% of the models appeared to be semi friendly.

There's a trade off with Models. Models have this mentality that they are the "best" and therefore usually&65292; but not always&65292; act a certain way that can be interpreted as being a bit arrogant. But this is to be expected anywhere, the prettier you are, the more "entitled" you would be.

It was certainly a sausage fest with so many guys fighting for girls like it's the end of the world. But during these busy times, flower street is still a fair game for whoever is quicker and more decisive.

AsnDragon

No Diggity

03-01-12, 17:47

My god, you must be an absolute newbie or what?

Eurasia is in CP (ChangPing) , CP is one of the towns in DG.

Flower street means hundreds of girls standing there for you to pick to accompany you for the KTV session.

You cannot just walk into that hotel like that, you need to book a KTV room first. They won't allow you to take any girl out without you spending money on KTV session.

Hi AsnDragon! This may an obvious question but is the Eurasia hotel in DG? Do you just walk in and take the elevator to second / third / fourth floors and just "hang out?" How do you mean by "flower street?"

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Tryfor5

03-02-12, 04:43

THANKS! Newbie to South China and this board (and the slang). Have mongered solo for a decade but was seeking out info for my first foray into SZ.

My god, you must be an absolute newbie or what?

Eurasia is in CP (ChangPing) , CP is one of the towns in DG.

Flower street means hundreds of girls standing there for you to pick to accompany you for the KTV session.

You cannot just walk into that hotel like that, you need to book a KTV room first. They won't allow you to take any girl out without you spending money on KTV session.

LAMonkey

03-02-12, 08:02

FeiGohGoh

03-04-12, 20:27

Thankfully they aren't all this crazy, my liver couldn't take it!Nice to meet you and Dave last month in CP, don't think you still remember me though.

FGG

Logos

03-05-12, 00:44

Hi guys.

There's a good chance I'll be back in CP for a week from April 7, a week or so before the fair.

I'll be coming with a lady. Who's just as interested in threesomes as I am. Well, almost anyway. Now that is easy enough to arrange in Thailand or the PI, easy enough in Cambodia, but I haven't tried it yet in China. Of course the lady in question would like to join me to KTVs, BBS and saunas, but I'm not too sure how it'd be perceived, as there is no chance she could pass for a local despite being asian (she's taller and better groomed than local girls). Anyone been through that yet? Are girls generally up to a threesome with a non local?

Freepeaks

03-05-12, 06:25

Everyone knows I like models. But last time I picked a 200 girl at Yihao that was a Chinese version of Natalie Portman. I just couldn't resist. I showed her pictures on my laptop and she agreed that she does look like her. Maybe I'll be breaking my tradition more often in the future.

LAMonkeyNice find. But how was she in bed? And of course you added her to dave's black book.

Hope you are in town next time I am there. Good to catchup with you.

Elixir

03-05-12, 18:04

I'll be coming with a lady. Who's just as interested in threesomes as I am. Well, almost anyway. Now that is easy enough to arrange in Thailand or the PI, easy enough in Cambodia, but I haven't tried it yet in China. Of course the lady in question would like to join me to KTVs, BBS and saunas, but I'm not too sure how it'd be perceived, as there is no chance she could pass for a local despite being asian (she's taller and better groomed than local girls). Anyone been through that yet? Are girls generally up to a threesome with a non local?Are you Logos from GGC?

A friend of mine tried to bring a girl from outside to the Virgin Sauna but the staff refused, I think most of saunas will refuse this.

Sounds more easy in BBS or KTV but it will be tricky to find a girl open for a "real" 3P party, I mean if you want to see some lesbian action.

My god, you must be an absolute newbie or what?

Eurasia is in CP (ChangPing) , CP is one of the towns in DG.

Flower street means hundreds of girls standing there for you to pick to accompany you for the KTV session.

You cannot just walk into that hotel like that, you need to book a KTV room first. They won't allow you to take any girl out without you spending money on KTV session.In fact, some KTVs in CP allow you to take a girl out without booking a room and Eurasia KTV is one of them.

Elixir

03-05-12, 18:13

Freepeaks

03-06-12, 11:10

In fact, some KTVs in CP allow you to take a girl out without booking a room and Eurasia KTV is one of them.Eurasia. Are you sure because that's news to me. MF is a no, Jiayi used to be one you can do that at, Huihua if it is later (after.

10). Which might be true at other places. But due to demand most don't allow takeout. Hell one time at Mayflower they

Weren't going to let us look without knowing our room number. We basically just ignored her, but seriously refusing the look.

Could be the whitey effect. And they do have a main big room so I could have been sitting there.

Anyone have insight on the KTVs that allow you to pick and leave?

Elixir

03-06-12, 19:36

Eurasia. Are you sure because that's news to me. MF is a no, Jiayi used to be one you can do that at, Huihua if it is later (after.

10). Which might be true at other places. But due to demand most don't allow takeout. Hell one time at Mayflower they

Weren't going to let us look without knowing our room number. We basically just ignored her, but seriously refusing the look.

Could be the whitey effect. And they do have a main big room so I could have been sitting there.

Anyone have insight on the KTVs that allow you to pick and leave?Since the opening of Eurasia KTV at end of 2009, you can take out a girl without booking a room, the last time I checked was in November 2011, it's very easy on weekdays, sometimes more difficult on busy week-ends but mamas will help you to take out the girl if you offer an overnight.

Nowadays you can do the same in Yihao KTV, no problem at all, the last time I checked was three weeks ago.

You can also easily take out a girl in Hui Hua KTV but you need to pay 100rmb to the staff.

Big Swingin Dave

03-07-12, 17:47

CP is busting at the seams and the local establishments such as KTVs, Saunas, and BBS are capitalizing on the droves of customers visiting to this vibrant town.

The Hong Kong customers are coming less as the HKD to RMB conversion has fell to an all time low of. 822HKD to 1RMB; however, there has been a dramatic increase of Singaporeans and Malaysians flocking into CP spending big bucks in the KTVs and Saunas.

Starting March 1st, Yihao has increased 30RMB per room per night, meanwhile just received notice that Mayflower will also increase their room prices 30RMB per room per night starting, April 1st. I expect that other hotels will follow suit as the demand on rooms are at an all time high. Now is not even "peak" season which usually happens during Canton Fair time (see Spring Schedule per ISO 9000 report below). If you plan on staying in the Miraton area which includes the Hui Hua, Walter, Virgin, and Hui Mei hotel, I suggest that you make your reservations at least 2 weeks in advance (4 if you are coming during Canton Fair time) if you want to secure the lower price rooms; otherwise, you may be faced with no vacancy or paying for higher price rooms (I. E. Suites and executive floor rooms). The Swan Lake area is not as bad but with the limited amount of rooms available in the Miraton area, surely customers will be calling on the Peninsula, Swan Lake, Clipper, Manhattan, Li Hao, and Mayflower. Additionally, almost all the hotels will increase their prices during Canton Fair (minimum 30 – 50 RMB per room per night).

Another problem facing the customers when they have secured their rooms and have arrived into CP is trying to book a KTV room at the Tier 1 KTVs (Eurasia, Yihao, FuHao, Mayflower, and Peninsula) especially during Friday and Saturday nights. Managers, Mommies, DJs, are all being very selective on giving what room to what customers. If they know that you are a low spender, the likelihood of you getting a room in the weekend is not so good. Even though the "minimum" is 680 or 880 or 980 and up. They will surely ask you how much you will spend or what kind of alcohol you will be drinking even before they give you a room. This has become quite annoying and frustrating at the same time. The worst place by far right now is Yihao where it is completely full every night! Most nights they will reopen a room (after the customers have paid their bill and the room is cleaned and ready for new customers) upwards of 10. 20 rooms (most likely these customers will go to the KTV after 10pm). So, plan ahead and be ready to open your wallet or otherwise don't be surprise to hear that there is no room even on a typical slow night (I. E. Monday or Tuesday). Yihao is building another 30 plus KTV rooms and may be opened when summer rolls around.

There are some relief in sight however as Miraton II has broken ground and the foundation has been laid. The outer shell of Hui Mei's sister hotel (near the New Century Hotel) is nearly complete so it is possible that it may open by the end of the year. The Mayflower Tower construction is in full swing (about 5 floors have been done) and the estimated opening date will be end of 2013. The Peninsula / Swan Lake group has a brand new hotel (located between the two sister hotels on Dong Xing Lu) opening up by end of summer / early fall. The Park Hyatt (Virgin Hotel Group) which is not the same hotel chain is breaking ground on a brand new hotel next to Mayflower KTV and won't be done for at least a couple years. Until these hotels are done and operational, CP hotels will face a shortage so don't be surprise that the hotels will continue to increase its prices.

In the KTV front, Hui Hua has increased the WG tip from 2-5-8 to 3-6-9. The days of the 2-5-8 are almost over as the KTVs having to allow for higher prices to keep their girls from jumping ship; otherwise, they will leave and go to other places to make more money. This is a scary trend because basically now you are paying for more when you are getting the same old product. The only places that have a substantial amount of 2-5-8 left are FuHao and Amazon. FuHao now has a new category of super-Model at 4-10-15 (same as Yihao). The funny part about that is that some of the "super-model" was at one time 2-5-8 just a couple years ago. Crazy! But if the guys out there are willing to pay, the price will only continue to go up and the sad part is, there is no end in sight. The old Tao Yuan is opening back up, the rumor is that they are ramping up the WG stock in preparation of the new Mayflower Tower.

CP is definitely not the way it used to be where you can stroll into town and find a nice hotel and make a KTV booking of 'your' choice on the same day anymore. If you want to have a good time here, plan ahead, bring your money, and most importantly have patience to deal with the madness that is stewing here.

BSD

FeiGohGoh

03-08-12, 03:58

CP is busting at the seams and the local establishments such as KTVs, Saunas, and BBS are capitalizing on the droves of customers visiting to this vibrant town. CP is definitely not the way it used to be where you can stroll into town and find a nice hotel and make a KTV booking of 'your' choice on the same day anymore. If you want to have a good time here, plan ahead, bring your money, and most importantly have patience to deal with the madness that is stewing here.

BSDA very insightful look into the modern CP scene nowadays.

Equine

03-09-12, 19:46

CP is busting at the seams and the local establishments such as KTVs, Saunas, and BBS are capitalizing on the droves of customers visiting to this vibrant town.

BSDThanks Dave for the update. Was going to come up with my pals in a few weeks. Now we have to discuss and see if we need additional planning. Will definitely look you and Jettsetter up when we get there.

LAMonkey

03-10-12, 00:22

I'm sure glad I took my trip before all the madness!

LAMonkey

CP is busting at the seams and the local establishments such as KTVs, Saunas, and BBS are capitalizing on the droves of customers visiting to this vibrant town. Madness that is stewing here.

BSD

Big Joe 11

03-10-12, 04:10

I guess I picked a bad time to visit China.

Scanner Scanner

03-10-12, 10:29

Thing is, you will likely still going to have fun!

I guess I picked a bad time to visit China.

HoTrain

03-11-12, 04:37

Wow, thanks for the update BSD. I will be there with a few boys from mar 31-apr11. Anyone want to hang out?

Ho train

Triple Junkie

03-11-12, 13:01

Santa

03-11-12, 21:16

I have a young lady who works part time as my translator and Chinese teacher. She is NOT a hot escort type. She is a very polite, honest, and educated young lady, who dresses and behaves appropriately. If you need her for translation and negotiation services, for busness purposes only, please send me a PM. I will give you her contact details. Serious enquiries only please.

Fast Eddie 48

03-12-12, 00:00

I guess I picked a bad time to visit China.To Big Joe,

This is only subject to Guangzhou for one week traffic is bad and hotel is expensive, you can go to other city in China like Shenzhen or Hong kong is not a big deal.

Fast Eddie 48

Big Joe 11

03-12-12, 05:34

To Big Joe,

This is only subject to Guangzhou for one week traffic is bad and hotel is expensive, you can go to other city in China like Shenzhen or Hong kong is not a big deal.

Fast Eddie 48I was planning a trip to CP late April.

Raverboy

03-13-12, 04:00

After months of planning, coordinating and years of waiting, I finally concluded my 4D3N virgin trip To CP.

Self Intro: Late 30s Singaporean, expatriate in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, for 4 years. In China, have visited and P4P'd in Beijing, Zhuhai, CA, HK and Macau (1 trip to CA, multiple trips to each of the rest). Have also visited Shanghai, Shengyang but those were personal non-P4P trips.

Logistics: 2 of us flew Ho Chi Minh City (SGN) to Guangzhou (CAN) direct on China Southern Airlines (CZ). Fare was USD 322 return (VND 7M approx.) each. Flight touched down in CAN just before noon and on schedule. Plan was to hook up with an old friend of mine and his friends in CP, who arrived the night before. Hotel (Ouya) and driver were arranged through them. OY Deluxe Room was RMB 498 / night (BF for 1 included). Driver was RMB 500/1way from Guangzhou Baiyun Airport to OY in CP in a 7-seater MPV. Driver was punctual, polite and courteous.

Exchanged RMB in S'pore at SGD 1 = RMB 4.98 during a previous trip home.

Day 1. Thurs 8/3.

5 of us arrived at OY flower street at 5:30 pm and 2 of us who were on our virgin trips were briefed the SOP by the others. Thanks to this and the endless research of this ISG DG thread, it was easy as pie.

Being the first night of my virgin trip to CP, the sheer volume of clients and MMs at OY flower street was simply amazing at the beginning, then quickly became more and more overwhelming as more clients arrived. I even had to step aside a couple of times for a cigarette break to calm my nerves! Now after the trip I am pretty sure all of you will remember your first visit to a CP flower street. 4 categories of girls are available at OY. I eventually picked 2 x 5/15/20 model category MMs (let's call them Girl A and Girl B) and 1 x 3/7/10 MM (Girl C). After everyone's selections were made, we left the room to have dinner.

Later back in the room, we shared good camaraderie, dice games, songs and laughter the rest of the night. As the night progressed, I was torn between Girls A and B, who both gave me equally good vibes. As one can imagine, it was difficult for me to interact with Girl C since I could only physically (and comfortably!) have 1 girl on each side. The 3rd girl will always feel left out. In my case, I could tell that Girl C (somehow very naturally the 3/7/10 cat) was a little shy and perhaps felt a little 'overshadowed' by her taller (and more $$$) jie-jies. She did not initiate conversation so I tried to include her as much as I could, but this wasn't easy having 2 'models', one on each side! Fortunately, I eventually turned this to an 'advantage' as you will see later.

Perhaps those of you who regularly pick 3 or more girls can share your tricks as to how to keep all of them 'involved' throughout the night! .

By the end of the night, I felt marginally better vibes with Girl A, and this was the one I decided to pop my CP cherry with. Back in the room, she was quite GFE (she was surprisingly quite pleased to share a bath together).

Thus concluded my first night ever in CP waking up with a 1.70 m tall Guangdong beauty by my side. .

Day 2. Fri 9/3.

Started the day leisurely with the 5 of us at OY's buffet breakfast. 2 of us with our MMs from the night before. After breakfast and sending off Girl A, we all proceeded to PZL where we spent the most of the afternoon in a room which accommodated 5 foot massage armchairs.

Service at PZL was good if not for a slight upsell on the part of the girls (xian sheng, yao bu yao jia zhong a? Xian sheng, yao chi zhe ge, yao he na ge ma?) All in all I would consider service here to be fairly average for China, but very central location in CP, clean and well appointed rooms / theécor, as well as a selection of beauties at this clean massage joint all make for a winning combination. My massage girl was a taller slim cutie from Hunan, lets call her Girl D.

After PZL, we proceeded to HH sauna for the CP (yi tiao long) SOP massage experience. 3 of us were led into a small viewing room which was already packed with customers. The MMs came out in groups of about 15-20 every 15 mins or so. There was a constant stream of girls coming and going from their sessions. Selection was quite decent. 5 categories of girls – RMB 300/400/500/600/800, standard service is 2 shots 2 hours. 2 categories of rooms – RMB 268/288 if I recall correctly. The higher rate room gets you a water bed in the room instead of a regular bed.

Once you make your selection, the girl will exit to get a room then return to lead you by the arm to the room. Once inside, the girl will call in to start the time (shang zhong) , then action will begin in the shower. Since I am sure many of you are familiar with this SOP, I will leave the rest out. Chose a 500 category girl (Girl E) and was very, very pleased.

Later this evening, we returned to OY since we had 2 bottles remaining from the 4 bottles we brought in duty-free. Also this evening, I decided to do something that I hear people rarely do in CP. Pick only 1 MM! Not only that, I also decided to re-pick the 3/7/10 category MM (Girl C) from the night before. The one that felt left out. The other reason why I re-picked her was that she reminded me of a Chinese version of Amanda Seyfried (with short hair in the movie In Time) - see below.

Funny thing is, when I approached her, she rejected me politely at first! She said, 'mei shi de, wo bu yao ni ying wei zuo wan bu hao yi shi cai tiao wo de'. I told her this was definitely not the case. This turned out to be a good move as once in the KTV room and once convinced that she is my one-and-only for the night, she was quite GFE, and back in the hotel room later that night, turned into a total GFE, delivering a 2nd shot before leaving around noon.

...to be continued

Raverboy

03-13-12, 08:42

Continued from post below:

Day 3. Sat 10/3.

Started the day late and headed directly to Silvery Holiday Hotel Sauna for their famous 'volcano' package. Facilities quite standard for this type of hotel-based sauna, popular in major cities in China. The famed 'volcano' massage is priced at RMB 298 for a 100 min session that included ample teasing of the nether regions and crown jewels. Service reminded me of some of the better Jakarta saunas, although the facilities here are a little dated. Requested the masseuse (Girl F) to not let me release as I wanted to save my juices for the night's activities. Had to cut short the session to make it to flower street on time.

Bumped into a group of fellow cheongsters (playahs) while having a late lunch at Silvery, one in the group visits HCMC often and whom I have known for several years. We were supposed to be only 2 tonight and were booked into Mayflower but were invited by this group to join them at FH.

Arrived at FH at approx. 6:15 pm and there was already a substantial crowd. As the ladies began to descend the stairs, the crowd started to circulate. 4 categories of girls are available, with the model class being 4/10/15. Apparently this is one of few places where 2/5/8 cat is still available. As FH is a popular KTV, the supply was not as abundant compared to demand as is the case with OY. I also found a lot of shorter SYT-type girls at FH compared to OY but that's just because my taste is biased towards tall slim CFM types. Tags worn at the waist indicate the girl is available for take-out, tags worn at the chest indicate the girl is 'not convenient'. Picked a tall model class Dongbei beauty (Girl G) from Changchun (Jilin) with her tag at her chest, knowing full well that I intend to eat vegetarian tonight and order in Girl E after she finishes work.

Fast forward to about 3:30 am, Girl E arrives and it was GFE all the way till she left at noon the next day, to be at work at HH at 1 pm.

Day 4 Sun 11/3.

Checked out from OY at 2 pm and proceeded to the HK style cafeteria opposite PZL. After a sumptuous meal, headed across the street to PZL to spend the rest of the afternoon before our ride to Guangzhou Baiyun Airport arrived at 6:15 pm. Quite pleased with my masseuse (Girl D) from Day 2, so sms'd her to book a room and 'hang her tag' for me. Massaged me till it was time to go. Driver arrived at the appointed time. 1h45m approx. to Guangzhou Airport.

Summary

4D3N in CP. 7 Encounters with 7 MMs (Girls A-G). 7 shots out with 3 of 7 MMs, Total Damage (not including hotel and airfare) , RMB 10k. Popping my CP cherry: Priceless!

Lessons Learnt

1. There is definitely an art to selecting girls from flower street. There is also a strategy to interacting with all your picks and deciding which of the lot to take home for the night.

2. Leave double-fly (shuang fei) for the saunas or massage joints. KTV girls in China are just not accustomed to doing it.

3. The OY 5/15/20 model category is not worth the expense, considering what you get for the price. Consider also the average monthly Wage of typical office secretaries in China being around the RMB 1000-1500 / month mark depending on the city, this is an almost obscene amount of money. Consider also that RMB 2000 is approx. SGD 400, this is almost 3 sessions with a PRC at one of the 'legal houses' in Geylang in Singapore.

Logos

03-14-12, 02:32

Thanks for the update Dave. Amazing to see how the scene has been changing in about 15 months I haven't been there.

Hi Elixir, yes I am from GGC (and youppie). Nice to see you here, mon ami.

WildHawk

03-14-12, 14:47

Wow, thanks for the update BSD. I will be there with a few boys from mar 31-apr11. Anyone want to hang out?

Ho trainI will be there March 31-April 1, so PM me if you plan to do the KTV scene on Saturday, April 1. I am planning to use BSD's services on that date. (Dave, oh, Dave, check your ISG in-box!. Well, I think I've got Dave's number, somewhere, anyway; I've used his services twice previously and they come highly recommended).

A Q for the experts, though: I usually take the train from Hung Hom the morning of Saturday (I must work into the eve. On Friday) , but I would prefer to arrive late on a Friday, March 30. Any transport advice from Hong Kong to arrive late Friday night (departing 10ish)? The intercity train service cuts off earlier than that. Even though my arrival would make it too late to join a KTV party, I'm sure I could find a BBS or just chill an extra night. Thanks for any advice.

Santa

03-15-12, 06:29

. Even though my arrival would make it too late to join a KTV party, I'm sure I could find a BBS or just chill an extra night. Thanks for any advice.If you book a sauna room after about 10pm you can do a sauna girl and then stay the night in the sauna room at no extra charge. Each Hotel has their own times, etc. I would try the HuiMei.

But maybe the sauna girls will be finished work by the time you arrive. Maybe not?

Santa

03-15-12, 06:41

Any transport advice from Hong Kong to arrive late Friday night (departing 10ish).If you can make it across the border to the mainland you can have a private driver pick you up there. Dave would be able to help you with that.

Or check with the Airport mini bus services. I think their last bus leaves around 10pm. You might be able to catch a ride with them somewhere.

Nameci

03-15-12, 07:12

Wow, thanks for the update BSD. I will be there with a few boys from mar 31-apr11. Anyone want to hang out?

Ho trainMight be there during that period. Keep in touch and maybe I'll get to say Hi.

MeeGoo

03-15-12, 08:07

Hi Everyone.

New here. I am planning to go back later and try out all the sauna and KTV at CP.

Asia Fan

03-15-12, 12:45

After months of planning, coordinating and years of waiting, I finally concluded my 4D3NThanks for the exhaustive report.

Nicely done!

AF

Tiger39

03-15-12, 18:57

Sky, remember the tall dude who had a better looking nipples than you?

Had a great time as well, that was a great party, thanks to BSD.

I still am amazed that Amazon could have that many quality girls!

Last night went to Amazon with about 10 other guys. I have to admit these gents know how to have fun. We had a huge room and were well positioned for the flower street. The "ROE" for this night was everyone pick two girls, but all the girls are "fair game", in other words, the girls aren't with just one guy, they are available to the entire room. We had agreed on a set of "rules" in case more than one guy wanted a girl, which led to a couple of pretty funny events.

Anyway after picking the girls went to eat, so the girls could sit for a while and not be drunk when the time to get naked rolled around. One of the girls I picked was way outside the norm for me, but there was something about her. As it turns out she is from Hanoi. First time I ever met a non-Chinese girl in a KTV.

Anyway after dinner we returned to the room and the rule was you couldn't sit with the girls you choose. BSD had pre-arranged 4 "seed" girls, because he knew they would be fun, and they did not disappoint. We had a lot of fun and about every half an hour, Dave would tell the guys to move to another table to get to play with all the girls. At some point in the dancing and game playing, I and one other guy wound up with no pants on. And well no underwear either. As I said it was wild!

The time came and the girls got naked and starting dancing around with all the guys in the room, quite a sight to see. We had a contest for the one with the best boobs, and gave away cash prizes to three ladies as well as one prize for the best Bush.

When it came time to choose, one guy had to fend off 4 challengers for his girl. Truth told he paid off one. It was really fun watching the guys compete for the girl. I am pretty sure she understood that the guy really wanted to take her home. I truly hope she was worth the effort.

The party didn't end until well after 1 am and was a lot of fun. I was reminded once again how the performance in the room, doesn't often translate into performance in the bed, especially when it comes to KTV girls. I probably should have listened to my instincts and gone with the Viet, but she is a real spinner and well, I decided the "bigger" boobs was a better choice. I hope not, because I want to believe the Viet could rock my world.

Thanks to BSD and all the guys for a great night and a good reminder of what a good time in KTV can be!

Thankfully they aren't all this crazy, my liver couldn't take it!

AsnDragon

03-16-12, 11:37

SSS has a great theory that he once explained to me which I feel inclined to share with everyone on this board. It's his death spiral theory that is going on CP KTV scene recently.

First, let me give you a background of what is going on within China right now, which most of you are probably familiar with. China is getting richer! It's not just the coastal provinces and cities that are wealthy, it's also the inner provinces of Hunan, Hubei, Jiangxi, Chongqing, Sichuan, Shaanxi etc. As a result, many of the girls who use to come from these provinces to CP to work as a WG are finding no incentive to travel so far away from home anymore. Many of them are choosing to stay in their home province and just go to a big city there to work as a WG in the KTVs there, where they get paid even more money as a WG back at home. With the recent millionaires accumulating in developing third tier citities in the inner provinces of China, they too want have the capability to splurge and play in their KTVs as well. As a result, Girls are paid more, get to live closer to their home town or village. This equates to bad news for Guangdong Province KTVs in general, because it's becoming harder and harder to attract talent to KTVs.

So the logical solution for all of these CP KTVs and all other KTVs in all of Guangdong area is to increase the prices for sitting fees and take out fees, in an effort to get them back to CP KTVs to work. It seems great in theory. Initially this does attract lots of girls to come to CP. However, this brings about a negative consequence.

Let's take the classical 2-5-8 that was in place in CP for many years before this current jump in price.

Sitting fee is 200 and ST is 500 and LT is 800. That means that in the past, a girl only get 200 for sitting a customer. One pop gets them 250% more than just sitting there and LT overnight gets them 400% than just sitting there. There is a high incentive for girls to go out with customers. This model worked for many years.

Now the increase is 3-6-9.

Let's do the analysis here. 300 sitting fee, if they do ST 600 it's a 200% incentive than sitting and a 300% incentive for LT overnight session. You see how the incentive becomes less and less for girls to even want to go out? It may seem marginal, but psychologically it does play a part in indirectly making the less keen to want to go out.

Now it doesn't just stop there. Now CP these 2 years have really increased the fees in all of their KTV venues.

At Yihao models are 4-10-15, Eurasia is 5-15-20, Fuhao has super models for 4-10-15 and even Mayflower has models for 4-10-15 as well. Not to mention Royal Garden in Dalang Town is up to 1000 sitting fee 3000 ST and 5000 LT.

The hotels are all trying to repackage their girls and upsell them. As many of these girls are no taller or prettier than before. Many of the same girls as BSD has pointed out were only mere 2-5-8 girls 2 years ago.

The negative impact is extreme! If you are a model in these KTV establishment getting paid 400 or 500 just for sitting with a customer, what incentive do you have to even want to go out with customers? In fact I have single handedly witnessed with my own eyes, how a Yihao and Eurasia Model girl will be picked by a customer, walk into the room and act bored and bitchy and withdrawn on purpose, so that they customer will just pay them 400 or 500 to get rid of them because they are souring the mood. That same girl who just pocketed 400 or 500 from the customer will proceed to sit another room and get another 400 or 500 for another sitting fee.

Before the norm was that girl who give you good service were going to be rewarded with a take out so they could earn more money. Now, girls in KTVs are getting smarter. Why would they want act all nice and give great service to customers and get stuffed for 1500 and 2000, when they could act like a total ***** and sit 3 rooms and collect 1200 to 1500 by just doing nothing? What girl really wants to get stuffed by customers? Unless they really like the guy, really like sex or they want the money. But usually it's the last reason-money. But if you could get similar amount of money for doing less and not get poked, most girls will follow this trend. You will notice that girls these days are more and more picky. They will hide from you if they don't like you. Mommies can't even control their girls anymore because Mommies are having a hard time recruiting new girls. So recently, girls are getting off the hook even when they give bad service. Before many KTVs gave girls a quota of needing to have a certain number of rooms reserved through them or they get fined. Most KTVs have done away with all of these rules now because they are at the mercy of the girls-especially the pretty top tier girls.

You may think that sitting 2-3 rooms is out of the ordinary, but in reality on Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and sometimes even Sunday, it is very possible for most models in the tier 1 KTVs to sit 2-3 rooms easily.

So here comes the death spiral. KTVs increase the fee structure for girls to attract girls to CP. Which is good, they get them in the door. But girls have lesser incentive to go out with customers as a result of the high sitting fees they get. So a monger comes up to CP in hopes of having a good time and bringing home a pretty girl back to their hotel room for the evening. They spend on room fee, snacks, alcohol, DJ fees and then their girl rejects them and does not want to go home with them or acts like a total ***** that you just don't even want to bring her back to your hotel room. Customer becomes upset and thinks that it's not worth it anymore they refuse to come to KTVs as much. Less customers come to KTVs and then business is bad and then Girls end up leaving CP for another destination where they can rake in bigger bucks. KTVs lose girls / talent and customers and their business goes sour. If hotel business goes sour than other auxiliary businesses such as restaurants, footies, DVD stores, Cell phone stores, clothing shops etc in the surrounding area gets affected, including real estate and Taxi / transportation businesses as well. That's where the death spiral comes in.

Right now there is already a shift in attitude of the girls. I find that girls do not give as good service as they use to anymore. Many appear distant and cold. This is a similar opinion shared by many veterans on the board such as Jim Traveler in our previous conversation. It's not like how it use to be anymore where girls were dying to be picked by customers. Nowadays, it's almost as if girls are choosing customers. Look around at Yihao and Eurasia's flower street. You approach a cuter girl and if the cuter girl doesn't like you- some hide away from you or look away or even walk away to the bathroom. This trend will continue for now. But how sustainable is it, I am not quite sure.

BUt one thing is for sure. There is an increased number of Taiwanese mongers coming into CP recently. It's not just the recent 4 day Taiwan holiday, but overall Taiwanese are starting to catch onto CP and so there is a huge influx of them recently. Mostly from group tours and also with groups of friends coming into town. I know because I have first handedly witnessed how they have single handedly increased rates at Swan Lake Hotel, Clipper and Walter Hotel etc. As a result, you feel that there is a whole lots more mongers in town these days and thus rooms and KTV rooms, footies and even Saunas are hard to book these days. But perhaps after the freshness factor wears off it may stabilize a bit. So the current Taiwanese influx could also attribute to high demand in bookings recently-thus temporarily sustain this outrageous increase in fees. But I really don't know how CP KTVs can sustain this constant increase in the girl's tipping fees. But one thing is for sure, the death spiral has begun.

AsnDragon

LAMonkey

03-17-12, 01:31

This is a good post and a sound theory. Everything AsnDragon has said here is true. But so what? We knew this time would come, and so it has. We enjoyed the good times, now competition and reality has taken over. CP can still be fun, but it takes skill not to waste your time and money. As with everything in China, one must pay their tuition. If you don't know how to choose a girl, you will lose. If you don't know how to have fun with a girl, you will lose. And if you don't know how to complain about bad service, you will lose. Once those skills have been mastered, what's left of CP can be still be fun!

On another note, haven't you noticed that old timers hardly go out anymore? They don't see the value or return for the new price schemes and services. If you speak Chinese, go to the other cities and check them out. I guarantee you there is a new CP. Why because HKers don't come to CP as much. They know the real value in the area, but they're not going to share their secrets easily.

The biggest ripoff in my opinion is 250 for Swan Lake BBS. Other places are still 150, but the SW mommies have conspired to price-fix the area. You are much better off going to a sauna on a quiet day than wasting 250 on a subpar girl. 150 is great. 250 is ridiculous.

The death spiral has arrived, we'll soon be traveling deeper West for our fun.

Lastly, I've figured out how to win the dice game. Anyone who perpetually loses, pm me and I'll enlighten you.

LAMonkey.

SSS has a great theory that he once explained to me which I feel inclined to share with everyone on this board. It's his death spiral theory that is going on CP KTV scene recently.

First, let me give you a background of what is going on within China right now, which most of you are probably familiar with. China is getting richer! It's not just the coastal provinces and cities that are wealthy, it's also the inner provinces of Hunan, Hubei, Jiangxi, Chongqing, Sichuan, Shaanxi etc. As a result, many of the girls who use to come from these provinces to CP to work as a WG are finding no incentive to travel so far away from home anymore. Many of them are choosing to stay in their home province and just go to a big city there to work as a WG in the KTVs there, where they get paid even more money as a WG back at home. With the recent millionaires accumulating in developing third tier citities in the inner provinces of China, they too want have the capability to splurge and play in their KTVs as well. As a result, Girls are paid more, get to live closer to their home town or village. This equates to bad news for Guangdong Province KTVs in general, because it's becoming harder and harder to attract talent to KTVs.

AsnDragon

HoTrain

03-17-12, 03:22

wow. cp seems to be changing at light speed. i was just there a few months ago and i did notice that things and service wise was starting to change, but i still had a wonderful time. with all these girls choosing which clients to go out with, how does one seperate himself from the pack. i will be there in two weeks time. should i start hitting the gym and sculpting my abs now? should i start learning how to sing those sappy mandarin songs even though i have no clue what it's saying? or start spewing out chinese poetry to win the girls heart. i just don't want to be going home dry. what's the game plan? help a bro out.

ho train

Cp141

03-17-12, 13:21

book a room ktv room for yourself with 6-10 girls and don't invite any other bros (maybe one other if you want). you'll be guarantee at least a double-fly for the night. that's what i'm planning to do when i'm there next month.

wow. cp seems to be changing at light speed. i was just there a few months ago and i did notice that things and service wise was starting to change, but i still had a wonderful time. with all these girls choosing which clients to go out with, how does one seperate himself from the pack. i will be there in two weeks time. should i start hitting the gym and sculpting my abs now? should i start learning how to sing those sappy mandarin songs even though i have no clue what it's saying? or start spewing out chinese poetry to win the girls heart. i just don't want to be going home dry. what's the game plan? help a bro out.

ho train

HoTrain

03-17-12, 18:50

Book a room KTV room for yourself with 6-10 girls and don't invite any other bros (maybe one other if you want). You'll be guarantee at least a double-fly for the night. That's what I'm planning to do when I'm there next month.I can barely communicate with one girl let alone 6-10 girls. I'm hoping to bring my iphone down with a Chinese translation App. Hopefully it will be a game changer. The most I've sat at one time were 3 girls and I failed miserably and not to mention that was 3 years ago when it was priced at 2-5-8 and I still had hair on my head. At the 5-10-20 rate, I just think that's a complete rip off but I guess there's alot of ballers visiting CP these days. Although, I'm not on a tight budget per say, I still do want to get the best bang for my buck.

Sardaukar1

03-17-12, 21:46

Should I start hitting the gym and sculpting my abs now? Should I start learning how to sing those sappy mandarin songs even though I have no clue what it's saying? Or start spewing out Chinese poetry to win the girls heart. I just don't want to be going home dry.Singing well would be a good start (seriously). And not songs from the '80s. Learn Mandarin / Canto pop songs that the girls can relate to.

Santa

03-18-12, 03:50

Now the increase is 3-6-9.

Now it doesn't just stop there. Now CP these 2 years have really increased the fees in all of their KTV venues.

At Yihao models are 4-10-15, Eurasia is 5-15-20, Fuhao has super models for 4-10-15 and even Mayflower has models for 4-10-15 as well. Not to mention Royal Garden in Dalang Town is up to 1000 sitting fee 3000 ST and 5000 LT.

The hotels are all trying to repackage their girls and upsell them.

The negative impact is extreme! If you are a model in these KTV establishment getting paid 400 or 500 just for sitting with a customer, what incentive do you have to even want to go out with customers? In fact I have single handedly witnessed with my own eyes, how a Yihao and Eurasia Model girl will be picked by a customer, walk into the room and act bored and bitchy and withdrawn on purpose, so that they customer will just pay them 400 or 500 to get rid of them because they are souring the mood. That same girl who just pocketed 400 or 500 from the customer will proceed to sit another room and get another 400 or 500 for another sitting fee.

Before the norm was that girl who give you good service were going to be rewarded with a take out so they could earn more money. Now, girls in KTVs are getting smarter. Why would they want act all nice and give great service to customers and get stuffed for 1500 and 2000, when they could act like a total * and sit 3 rooms and collect 1200 to 1500 by just doing nothing?

But I really don't know how CP KTVs can sustain this constant increase in the girl's tipping fees.

AsnDragonSeveral of us recently went to a cheap KTV called the Sing Party. It's about a block away from the Lucky Hotel. This KTV does not supply girls, there is no flower street.

We invited the waitresses from the Yihao Hotel. They are not as hot as the KTV girls and you cannot take them home afterwards, but they very much appreciated the invitation and we all had a great time. Lots of singing and dancing. We only went from 10pm to midnight, which was just right for me.

We had some snacks and about a dozen beers. Total damage for everybody was 300 rmb. That's not 300 each, that's only 300 rmb for the whole group. There was 14 of us in the room. 100 for the room, 100 for the snacks and 100 for the beer.

The fact that we didn't have KTV girls wasn't a problem. I had gotten a great blowjob from a hooker before the party, and most of the other guys had had pussy earlier too.

Of course, to do this you need to to have friends in CP who can arrange it. If you are only in CP for a few days then I suppose it is better to go to a KTV that supplies pretty girls who give full service.

We invited the the waitresses. None of them were bitchy, they had great attitudes, and we didn't have to tip any of them. We went out to eat afterwards, which was also a blast. Great party! Thanks guys.

Raverboy

03-18-12, 14:15

SSS has a great theory that he once explained to me which I feel inclined to share with everyone on this board. It's his death spiral theory that is going on CP KTV scene recently.

First, let me give you a background of what is going on within China right now, which most of you are probably familiar with. China is getting richer! . So the logical solution for all of these CP KTVs and all other KTVs in all of Guangdong area is to increase the prices for sitting fees and take out fees, in an effort to get them back to CP KTVs to work. It seems great in theory. Initially this does attract lots of girls to come to CP. However, this brings about a negative consequence.

The negative impact is extreme! If you are a model in these KTV establishment getting paid 400 or 500 just for sitting with a customer, what incentive do you have to even want to go out with customers? In fact I have single handedly witnessed with my own eyes, how a Yihao and Eurasia Model girl will be picked by a customer, walk into the room and act bored and bitchy and withdrawn on purpose, so that they customer will just pay them 400 or 500 to get rid of them because they are souring the mood. That same girl who just pocketed 400 or 500 from the customer will proceed to sit another room and get another 400 or 500 for another sitting fee.

So here comes the death spiral. KTVs increase the fee structure for girls to attract girls to CP. Which is good, they get them in the door. But girls have lesser incentive to go out with customers as a result of the high sitting fees they get. So a monger comes up to CP in hopes of having a good time and bringing home a pretty girl back to their hotel room for the evening. They spend on room fee, snacks, alcohol, DJ fees and then their girl rejects them and does not want to go home with them or acts like a total * that you just don't even want to bring her back to your hotel room. Customer becomes upset and thinks that it's not worth it anymore they refuse to come to KTVs as much. Less customers come to KTVs and then business is bad and then Girls end up leaving CP for another destination where they can rake in bigger bucks. KTVs lose girls / talent and customers and their business goes sour. If hotel business goes sour than other auxiliary businesses such as restaurants, footies, DVD stores, Cell phone stores, clothing shops etc in the surrounding area gets affected, including real estate and Taxi / transportation businesses as well. That's where the death spiral comes in.

Right now there is already a shift in attitude of the girls. I find that girls do not give as good service as they use to anymore. Many appear distant and cold. This is a similar opinion shared by many veterans on the board such as Jim Traveler in our previous conversation. It's not like how it use to be anymore where girls were dying to be picked by customers. Nowadays, it's almost as if girls are choosing customers. Look around at Yihao and Eurasia's flower street. You approach a cuter girl and if the cuter girl doesn't like you- some hide away from you or look away or even walk away to the bathroom. This trend will continue for now. But how sustainable is it, I am not quite sure.

But one thing is for sure, the death spiral has begun.

AsnDragonGreat theory, totally agree.

As a Singaporean Chinese who recently made his virgin trip to CP recently (posted my FR below) , I concur with you on all points, based on my own experience and from what I hear from buddies who have made CP their playground for years.

Allow me to share my own theory, from a Singapore perspective.

First and likewise, a bit of background: Once upon a time, Thailand was the land of endless pussy for us Singaporeans. When I was still a kid, men of my grandfather's generation would ride a bus overnight just for a weekend in Hatyai, before making the same 10 hr journey home. Some still do. With the advent of budget airlines, the younger generation (of which I belong to, now in the 35-45 age group) 'graduated' to BKK. Since about 10-15 years ago, this began to gradually diminish as Thailand, like China now, saw a growing middle class. As the BKK soapies and gogo bars became more and more commercialized, so did more and more players choose greener pastures.

As China opened up, we slowly but surely discovered its immensity and its treasure trove of pleasures. Easy enough as it was a 2-way street. We as a nation have had to import Chinese workers to work in the service industry in Singapore, at jobs local Singaporeans wouldn't do. This included P4P, although it wasnt officially sanctioned, it was cautiously tolerated. At the same time as well, and for similar but different reasons, we discovered Vietnam. Being geographically closer, Vietnam became the 'greener pastures', essentially our new 'Thailand'.

IMHO this phenomena was shortlived. Nowadays, Vietnam is becoming old news. Perhaps due to its size and its conservativeness in the P4P scene available to foreigners.

China however, primarily due to its immensity, still draws the men looking to play. Combine this with the fact that for 75% of us Singaporeans, as well as for all HK Chinese, most Taiwanese and all ethnic Chinese the world over, this is where we find our roots, whether it is 1, 2 or several generations back, China will continue to draw the ethnic Chinese the world over for many, many generations more to come.

CP itself only came about as Dongguan became the manufacturing hub of China due to its cheap labour and ideal geographic location in the Pearl River Delta between Guangzhou, HK and Macau.

So, notwithstanding my agreement with you on the 'death spiral', my corollary theory is this: Supply and Demand will ultimately find an equilibrium. In other words, death spiral yes at first but then it spirals into a new equilibrium. Less motivation for out-of-province girls to come to Guangdong to work means out-of-country players will travel further to 3rd tier cities and beyond to look for P4P at prices they are willing to pay. They already are. I'll share one example based on word of mouth amongst my social circles: Guilin.

All in all, my point is: Death spiral or not, it will not be the end of good, plentiful and (comparatively) value-for-money P4P in China.

Sky Ryder

03-18-12, 14:19

Sky, remember the tall dude who had a better looking nipples than you?

Had a great time as well, that was a great party, thanks to BSD.

I still am amazed that Amazon could have that many quality girls!Yes, I do! I am still bummed out! I believe I had the best of the bunch! The whole thing was rigged! .

But it was quite a night for sure!

Sky

Fast Eddie 48

03-19-12, 00:22

Great theory, totally agree.

As a Singaporean Chinese who recently made his virgin trip to CP recently (posted my FR below) , I concur with you on all points, based on my own experience and from what I hear from buddies who have made CP their playground for years.

Allow me to share my own theory, from a Singapore perspective.

First and likewise, a bit of background: Once upon a time, Thailand was the land of endless pussy for us Singaporeans. When I was still a kid, men of my grandfather's generation would ride a bus overnight just for a weekend in Hatyai, before making the same 10 hr journey home. Some still do. With the advent of budget airlines, the younger generation (of which I belong to, now in the 35-45 age group) 'graduated' to BKK. Since about 10-15 years ago, this began to gradually diminish as Thailand, like China now, saw a growing middle class. As the BKK soapies and gogo bars became more and more commercialized, so did more and more players choose greener pastures.

V included P4P, although it wasnt officially sanctioned, it was cautiously tolerated. At the same time as well, and for similar but different reasons, we discovered Vietnam. Being geographically closer, Vietnam became the 'greener pastures', essentially our new 'Thailand'.

IMHO this phenomena was shortlived. Nowadays, Vietnam is becoming old news. Perhaps due to its size and its conservativeness in the P4P scene available to foreigners.

China however, primarily due to its immensity, still draws the men looking to play. Combine this with the fact that for 75% of us Singaporeans, as well as for all HK Chinese, most Taiwanese and all ethnic Chinese the world over, this is where we find our roots, whether it is 1, 2 or several generations back, China will continue to draw the ethnic Chinese the world over for many, many generations more to come.

CP itself only came about as Dongguan became the manufacturing hub of China due to its cheap labour and ideal geographic location in the Pearl River Delta between Guangzhou, HK and Macau.

So, notwithstanding my agreement with you on the 'death spiral', my corollary theory is this: Supply and Demand will ultimately find an equilibrium. In other words, death spiral yes at first but then it spirals into a new equilibrium. Less motivation for out-of-province girls to come to Guangdong to work means out-of-country players will travel further to 3rd tier cities and beyond to look for P4P at prices they are willing to pay. They already are. I'll share one example based on word of mouth amongst my social circles: Guilin.

All in all, my point is: Death spiral or not, it will not be the end of good, plentiful and (comparatively) value-for-money P4P in China.To Raver boy,

Everywhere I travel to I see many well travel Singarporean monger, the SGN is strong and economy is good in Singapore many Singaporean have deep pocket to travel all over Asia and they like the top model Chinese girl.

Fast Eddie 48

Sardaukar1

03-20-12, 21:59

We invited the waitresses from the Yihao Hotel.By "waitresses" do you mean the front desk receptionists? How did you meet them?

Sardaukar1

03-20-12, 22:02

Less motivation for out-of-province girls to come to Guangdong to work means out-of-country players will travel further to 3rd tier cities and beyond to look for P4P at prices they are willing to pay. They already are. I'll share one example based on word of mouth amongst my social circles: Guilin.Raverboy makes a lot of sense here.

So, what's in Guilin for mongerers? Care to elaborate some more?

WildHawk

03-21-12, 15:35

Raverboy makes a lot of sense here.

So, what's in Guilin for mongerers? Care to elaborate some more?It has been a year since I've been there, but nada, not a mongering destination. Did a lot of walking around looking for the obvious indications but could not find. Suppose the locals have got their place, and I think you'd need a fair mastery of Mandarin to figure it out. Enjoy the stunning scenery and rest yourself for debauchery elsewhere.

Sardaukar1

03-22-12, 16:07

It has been a year since I've been there, but nada, not a mongering destination. Did a lot of walking around looking for the obvious indications but could not find. Suppose the locals have got their place, and I think you'd need a fair mastery of Mandarin to figure it out. Enjoy the stunning scenery and rest yourself for debauchery elsewhere.Well, outside of Dongguan, it's always hard to find those mongering spots if you're a lone ranger. Can't expect every place to virtually hang a sign on the wall saying "Come in we have tons of pretty girls," as is the case in CP.

However, if we can get in touch with local contacts (eg. Tour guides) we may be able to uncover all sorts of nice places.

Does anyone have any local contacts in Guilin (or other lesser known spots that are good alternatives to Dongguan) that they can provide? Would greatly appreciate it if you can PM me. And I will certainly return the favour by responding to whatever questions you may have about some of the cities that have the hottest girls in China / TW. Chengdu and Taipei.

Cpkkk

03-25-12, 06:26

As per santa."sing party" KTV used to be PP KTV that closed few yrs back. So their rooms are almost as nice as the regular hostress style KTV. The sound system is pretty good for the price. If you buy the membership card for 58rmb. You get one free hour per visit. Plus on wed nite. Member get all rooms for free. That is a great deal. Cause there is no min. Charges for rooms. So if you don't order any drinks or foods. You can basically party for whole nite for 2rmb per person. Since "sing" opened. I been there around 10 times. They open around 1pm. And you can sing until 7pm for 20rmb per person. In summer time. This is good way to spend a few hours from the hot sun outside. Also the "music dragon KTV" near PZL is also having good deals. They will give you free coupons if you buy drinks from their store. Like I bought 300 worth of drinks. I got 300 coupons for next time. Me and few g / FS and guys went there last week. Used free coupons to sing for 5 hrs and only spent 129rmb on 12 beers and snacks. There are also few more limited type KTV in town but they are not in town center. Also if you have "music dragon" VIP card. You can get one free hour per visit plus free fruit plate"!

Temujin87

03-25-12, 08:26

This one is for the long timers. I'll be auditing a factory in the ZMT area and I have 2-3 hour breaks during lunch time. Anyone know of BBS areas near ZMT or Fenggang, not CP or CA (as I've been to those already).

Thanks for helping me out.

Cpkkk

03-25-12, 08:42

AsnDragon

03-26-12, 04:03

Temujin87,

There's almost no BBS action in ZMT and Fenggang. The best you can do is to go to the Saunas at the hotels in those two towns. ZMT has Metropolis Hotel which is not bad and also 美丽广场 (mei Li Guang Chang) and also, 寻欢岛(xun huan Dao) and also 美女失乐园 (mei Nv Shi Le Yuan) and also 新名仕; (xin Ming Shi)

As for Fenggang, I haven't' been back there in a long time. They have a Victoria Hotel which has a Sauna as well. Besides Saunas there's not much BBS action that I am aware of. That and also KTVs, but I don't think you can partake in any of that in between your 2-3 hour lunch break.

Hope it helps out!

AsnDragon.

This one is for the long timers. I'll be auditing a factory in the ZMT area and I have 2-3 hour breaks during lunch time. Anyone know of BBS areas near ZMT or Fenggang, not CP or CA (as I've been to those already).

Thanks for helping me out.

AsnDragon

03-26-12, 04:22

It has been over a year since I had gone to Eurasia Sauna and I decided to give them a try once again. One year ago, I was really impressed with Eurasia's hardware. The rooms were fantastic, even their bathroom beds were made of granite material. But this year, boy things have changed! The room that they took me to the third floor room, had mold stains all over the ceiling due to some water leakage or something. It was covered in black mold in about 20% of the ceiling. It was not a pretty sight to look at. Reminded me of the movie Grudge.

Anyhow, the selection was not so great on a Thursday evening. The Sauna girls at Eurasia were just too big of a difference in comparison to the Eurasia KTV girls. I saw about 6 line up of girls and narrowed my choices down to two girls. Number 601 a Shandong Tall Girl, who's fee range was 700 RMB and a 568 girl from Anhui who had the cutest face but just really skinny and a newbie. I picked number 568 and proceeded to the room. I totally regretted my decision as she was literally 2nd day on the job after only a week of training. Hardly any service. Her BJ skills were horrible and she gave up sucking to spit every 20 seconds. It felt more like a BBS experience than a Sauna Experience. The most horrible thing was, when it came to do the actual intercourse and I wanted to switch to a doggie position, she said no. Her responded that she has not been trained to do that and it's Eurasia's policy not to allow that. I thought she was kidding around with me until she was completely serious about it. I was completely Livid at that point. I just decided to finish it off and then go to complain to the manager. But as were were washing up, I felt bad for her as I found out she was really young. I didn't believe her and she showed me her I'd card. Strange considering that most Sauna girls never take them I'd cards with them around during work. It could be fake, but I felt bad. I just gave her the tip and left. I proceeded to the front counter and pay my room fee and left. I guess I just had bad luck or something.

But it's disappointing to see that CP's most expensive and arguably the most luxurious Hotel has such a bad Sauna quality. I will not be going back to Eurasia Sauna in the near future.

AsnDragon

AsnDragon

03-26-12, 04:36

Miraton Sauna has gotten another facelift once again. They have been remodeling their rooms on several floors so that they can be a major competitor in the Sauna industry around town. All of their rooms should be completed in the next couple of months. The Managers are very aggressive in handing out business cards to newcomers out in the streets.

I went in to check out their talent. I saw about 6 line ups on a Friday late afternoon around 5:30 pm, which is really the best time to be viewing Sauna girls as the early shift and the night shift are all working. One girl caught my eye. I really forgot her number as I tend to mix up numbers, but her number was either 636, 688 or 668. A really cute girl from hunan. White smooth skin and very large sized boobs. The only complaint I had was that she had kinda thick thighs. I did see some residual cellulose on her thigh and buttock region. She was about 5 feet 3 inches. Her face did not resemble that of a Han Chinese, but perhaps some other sort of minority ethnicity in China.

Since the Miraton was renovating their Sauna rooms, we had to go to the secret rooms on the tallest floor that is not even accessible by other guests. These rooms were only accessible if you go to the very top floor and then you have to take the back staircase up two additional floors in which there was a two story atrium of rooms that were reserved for VIP guests of the owner. It was a maze just to get to the rooms. I was a bit shocked that I never knew about these rooms or secret floors considering the number of years I actually stayed at the Miraton Hotel in the past.

Overall the service was fairly standard. She had a good attitude and service was a little bit better than average. I think her personality and her warm attitude is what really made the experience better than average. The one complaint I had about the rooms was there was no heater and it was extremely cold that evening.

All in all, I think Miraton is going to be a good, not a major, contender in the Sauna business in CP. They will never be as successful as Virgin or MeiBao. But at least they are another place to take a look at to see if you can find a new gem around town.

AsnDragon