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Hui Hua Sauna is under new management now. They are being managed by the same owner as Jing Lang Hotel across from New Century Hotel. So their set up is different from how it use to be. Before, the girls would come to your room, row by row. But now, they have a showcase room where it almost looks like a strip-bar. It's a much better set up since you get to view all the girls at once.
Although this line up= selection set up is better, the quality of the girls have gone down. There was no longer any Korean girls or very top quality tall girls anymore. (Not that I'm that into Korean girls or really Tall girls, but some guys are attracted to that)
I went in around 5 pm, which is a very prime time to be viewing girls. They only had about 26 girls in the lineup. Which may seem like quite a lot to many, but the reality is that about half of the girls look like they belong in a BBS and not in a Sauna. So you are left with only about 13 girls that are acceptable at best and only about 3-4 girls that you would be very interested in. I had my eye on number 210. Just when I asked my manager to call her over, she was immediately taken by another customer next to me. I guess it was just bad luck or something. So I gave up and left and decided to come back another day when she was available.
Being in CP long enough has changed me a bit. Before when situations like this happen I would get a bit upset that my manager was not fast enough to respond to my request and she was taken by another customer. But I realize that CP has so many girls that you shouldn't sweat the small stuff. Especially when she was not that amazing of a girl for me to be all rattled up over. If she was really a top quality girl then that would be a different story. But she was a little bit above average. I figured that if it wasn't meant to be then it wasn't meant to be. There's always another stunner around the corner. Sometimes when you wait it out, you end up finding another girl who's even prettier than the last.
Patience sometimes is the virtue.
AsnDragon
Fast Eddie 48
03-26-12, 05:14
[QUOTE=AsnDragon; 1261909]Everyone has heard of Walter Hotel's Semi-Dirty footies and also their awful KTV girls. But rarely does anyone talk about their Sauna department. I decided to take a look.
Rooms were a bit worn throughout the years. It looked like they haven't renovated since 2006 or something. No waterbed to wash you down with, but at least the place looks semi clean, perhaps due to lack of business.
I saw about 3 line up of girls at 4 pm. Each line up consisted of about 6-7 girls. I had narrowed my choice down to two girls.
Number 136:
Sichuan Girl in a maid uniform. Skinny as a stick a true spinner. Had a really cute face but really not much of a body. Everything was cute and nice about her but her teeth. They were very deformed. I couldn't put my finger on it, but everything about her was fine but her teeth really turned me off.
Number 763:
To ASN.
CP sauna have been going down hill for more than 5 yr, I use to go to walter alot they offer a discount coupon for 88 rmb for next visit and 298 rmb for 90 min included FS many nice looking one back then, many pretty girl go to work at KTV more money and only work a few hr each night but only thing is many girl don't like to drink and deal with drunk customer.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie,
I do agree with you, throughout the past 5 years CP Saunas have been doing downhill. Except for MeiBao in my opinion. BUt it seems like you aren't in CP all that much these days. Where is the new and next frontier to seek better quality and better service Sauna girls in your opinion?
As I have discussed previously, all the veterans from back in the days 5-7 years ago who use to be very active on this Dongguan board are all gone. Either they have sought new areas other than CP / Dongguan Area or they don't seem to party that much in DG any longer.
It seems that it's getting harder and harder for Guangdong Region to attract good and new talent these days. With so many third tier cities doing so well these days, girls end up earning more back home than the DG area.
I am on a mission to seek for greener pastures elsewhere in China. Any pointers would be helpful.
AsnDragon.
[QUOTE=AsnDragon; 1261909]Everyone has heard of Walter Hotel's Semi-Dirty footies and also their awful KTV girls. But rarely does anyone talk about their Sauna department. I decided to take a look.
Rooms were a bit worn throughout the years. It looked like they haven't renovated since 2006 or something. No waterbed to wash you down with, but at least the place looks semi clean, perhaps due to lack of business.
I saw about 3 line up of girls at 4 pm. Each line up consisted of about 6-7 girls. I had narrowed my choice down to two girls.
Number 136:
Sichuan Girl in a maid uniform. Skinny as a stick a true spinner. Had a really cute face but really not much of a body. Everything was cute and nice about her but her teeth. They were very deformed. I couldn't put my finger on it, but everything about her was fine but her teeth really turned me off.
Number 763:
To ASN.
CP sauna have been going down hill for more than 5 yr, I use to go to walter alot they offer a discount coupon for 88 rmb for next visit and 298 rmb for 90 min included FS many nice looking one back then, many pretty girl go to work at KTV more money and only work a few hr each night but only thing is many girl don't like to drink and deal with drunk customer.
Fast Eddie 48
Parnelli,
Well the last day of Canton fair is May 5th. But there are many visitors who do stay behind to sight see and continue to visit some of the factories around town. Some may just stick around just to have a few days or fun before leaving. It's not impossible that Clipper is fully booked, it's just not that common after Canton Fair's phase 3 is over.
Then again CP has been a hotbed for visitors from all over these days, especially Taiwan and Singaporeans and Malaysians. So most hotels are doing very well these days and are even raising their rates.
I remember back during the 2008 financial crisis. CP was hit fairly hard with very little visitors coming up from HK and elsewhere. Most hotels lowered their rates. But we shall see. With the massive inflation rampant in CP (especially Taxi Drivers wanting 15 RMB during a weekday day time fare) everything is increasing in price these days.
Call around elsewhere as well. There's so many other hotels on that strip that you can consider living at that others do not point out like Lihao and Mayflower etc.
Best of luck.
AsnDragon.
Tried to book Clipper hotel for May 8th for 3 nights. Not even a weekend. It is already full. Is that normal?
Santa,
On a lighter note, you having a young lady who works as your teacher is a great idea. I'm wondering if I could find one who IS the hot escort type. I think I should switch my focus to Civvies. But something tells me that it's hard to find an un-jaded Civvie in CP.
What do you think?
AsnDragon.
I have a young lady who works part time as my translator and Chinese teacher. She is NOT a hot escort type. She is a very polite, honest, and educated young lady, who dresses and behaves appropriately. If you need her for translation and negotiation services, for busness purposes only, please send me a PM. I will give you her contact details. Serious enquiries only please.
Freepeaks,
Mayflower is just like Jiayi. You have to open up a seat at the outside seating bar and stay for just a little bit before you can leave. They give you a fruit platter etc and you just eat some fruit and chat and then you can leave basically any time after that. Of course, the girls will always try to convince you to order them a drink as it is their requirement to do so.
And yes, I had the same experience last time when I tried to take a look at the girls without having a room number, and they were giving me a bit of crap. This also happened at Amazon as well. In fact Amazon was even more adamant about having a room number and name the room is under before even letting me pass through the pirate Ship.
AsnDragon.
Eurasia. Are you sure because that's news to me. MF is a no, Jiayi used to be one you can do that at, Huihua if it is later (after.
10). Which might be true at other places. But due to demand most don't allow takeout. Hell one time at Mayflower they
Weren't going to let us look without knowing our room number. We basically just ignored her, but seriously refusing the look.
Could be the whitey effect. And they do have a main big room so I could have been sitting there.
Anyone have insight on the KTVs that allow you to pick and leave?
Eurasia is a KTV in Dongguan CP.
"Flower Street" is the area where the girls lineup to be selected by customers.
You must have a KTV room in order to select a girl and take them out later that evening.
If you are new to the whole CP scene and need guidance, I would recommend you contact BSD Dave so that he could walk you through and guide you through the complexities of the CP mongering scene. Just my two cents for a newbie in town.
AsnDragon.
Hi AsnDragon! This may an obvious question but is the Eurasia hotel in DG? Do you just walk in and take the elevator to second / third / fourth floors and just "hang out?" How do you mean by "flower street?"
Thanks in advance for any tips.
SE Asia Joe
03-26-12, 09:47
Eurasia is a KTV in Dongguan CP.
"Flower Street" is the area where the girls lineup to be selected by customers.
You must have a KTV room in order to select a girl and take them out later that evening.
If you are new to the whole CP scene and need guidance, I would recommend you contact BSD Dave so that he could walk you through and guide you through the complexities of the CP mongering scene. Just my two cents for a newbie in town.
AsnDragon.Heard that the old Tao Yuan / JiaYi KTV is being "Grand-re-opened" this coming week end with still some 2-6-9 gals AND also some kind of naked KTV on offer.
Wonder if they had actually refurbished the place or just something superficial. I know that as an overflow venue for the Mayflower, it kinda sucked.
And also Yue Xin (?) KTV was opened past weekend with naked KTV for even 3-6-9 gals.
Anybody know anymore about these 2?
SEAN
Fellow Brothers,
End of November I was in CP and stayed at Walter Hotel for eight days.
On my arrival day BSD was out of town, so I met his assistant Alan (nice guy) and we went bowling with two cute girls.
In the evening I don`t know where to go alone (this was my second trip to CP) and so I decided to give the Walter inhouse sauna a try. I took the lift to the third floor and was greeted ba a crowd of assistant managers. In the room they organized a lineup of girls. The prices range from 450 RMB to 800 RMB for the models (= tall girls).
I choose Nr. 598, a cute 20 year old girl. The went upstairs and the fun begun. She offers the full programm: catbarth, fire-and-ice-blowjob, asshole licking and I started by tearing her stockings, a nice joke, which I nether did before.
After that she tried to explain the 40 step card (me very little putonghua) and some of the numbers I choose. Her service was outstanding and the two hours went all too fast.
I paid 600 RMB plus 100 RMB tip and went happy back to my room.
Next morning I went to Hui Hua sauna with BSD, but I have to say that the above girls service was much better.
In the evening I decided to give her a second chance.
I called Hua Lei, an Assistant Manager of the sauna department, and he reserved her for another two hours. After that he organized a massage for one and a half hour and I had only to pay 100 RMB for it!
In the next days I tried Nr. 515 and another girl, which number I forgot for 600 RMB and 500 RMB. Service was not as good as with the above girl, but it was good average. So nothing to complain. After each session I got the massage for the special prize of 100 RMB due to my man Hua Lei.
On the last day before I left I gave it a last try and choose Nr. 585, which was recommended by Hua Lei. A good choice. When I sat down on the bed, she didn`t wait until I undress, but came over me immediately. It was a very good session and by god. She was so wet!
Damage was 600 RMB plus 100 RMB tip.
Beside sauna I tried twice the Walter footie service. I only want to get a footmassage, but both sessions ended in a dirty footie.
So this report is some months old, but during my stay there was no reason to complain. But I have read a lot here and on other sides, that service in CP is going down!
At another forum I could read that Walter dirty footie service will close its door at the end of the month!
Have to check if it is true.
Will see if something have changed since that date. My flight to HK will leave in 5 hours and tomorrow I`ll reach Walter Hotel to test.
CU.
Konsul
Hello, fellows. I have signed onboard with BSD for his KTV activities this Saturday, March 31. I have met some great posters on this board through Dave and his most excellent events. Anyone interested ought to PM Dave and sign up. Cheers!
SEAN SWEET SWEDE,
I haven't heard anything about Yue Xin KTV, but I would love to try it out sometime. Will a young fella like you want to partake in that venue with an old timer like me sometime?
I think with Yihao and Eurasia opening, they have dispersed all of the business around CP. Before, Huihua area was the concentrated KTV area 6-7 years ago, then the concentration of KTV shifted to Swan Lake Area with Manhattan, Clipper, Mayflower, Lihao and Pennisula capturing a bulk of the talent. However ever since 2 years ago or so when Eurasia opened, and then Yihao, these two big players split the market. So recently if you go to Penn or Mayflower or anywhere in the Swan lake Strip, there seems to be less KTV business overall. Sure Mayflower still gets fully booked on weekends, but that's only because people are curious about the rumored 1000 girl flower street. But in all honesty, I have never witnessed 1000 girls at the mayflower KTV. They might have 1000 girls working overall, but the flower street is perhaps 600 to 700 maximum. I don't think it's physically possible to line up that many girls in four rows.
In any case, there seems to be a struggle amongst the Mayflower owner to suck back the business back to the swan lake area. It's a smart move to open a naked venue at Jiayi. No matter how run down jiayi is, it's still a whole lot better than amazon.
3-6-9 for naked KTV is not bad. But Amazon's 400 strip fee seems a bit high to me.
How was your trip SEAN?
AsnDragon.
Heard that the old Tao Yuan / JiaYi KTV is being "Grand-re-opened" this coming week end with still some 2-6-9 gals AND also some kind of naked KTV on offer.
Wonder if they had actually refurbished the place or just something superficial. I know that as an overflow venue for the Mayflower, it kinda sucked.
And also Yue Xin (?) KTV was opened past weekend with naked KTV for even 3-6-9 gals.
Anybody know anymore about these 2?
SEAN
konsul,
thanks for your report! i was in cp in november, and i can tell you that november was cheaper and better than what it is now.
it's funny but cp changes so quickly within months. just within the past 6 months or so, i was there in october, parts of november, parts of december, february and parts of march. within these months, i have witnessed so many changes within cp. management changes within saunas of all hotels, bakeries being opened up left and right, that malaysian restaurant right across from legend fottie which brucetea and i tried out a few months back is closed down and turned into some hot pot place, prices for taxi's increasing 50, hotel room fees increasing in price, ktv sitting fees increasing, restaurant prices increasing, street dividers on all streets which created a whole lot of traffic. i guess it's a new reality that we all have to accept. i'm sure during this trip of yours you will be witnessing a whole lot of changes as well.
i guess in a town where change happens at lightening speed, you just have to learn to adapt.
have a good time on you trip. hope to read more reports and posts from you.
asndragon.
fellow brothers,
end of november i was in cp and stayed at walter hotel for eight days.
on my arrival day bsd was out of town, so i met his assistant alan (nice guy) and we went bowling with two cute girls.
in the evening i don`t know where to go alone (this was my second trip to cp) and so i decided to give the walter inhouse sauna a try. i took the lift to the third floor and was greeted ba a crowd of assistant managers. in the room they organized a lineup of girls. the prices range from 450 rmb to 800 rmb for the models (= tall girls).
i choose nr. 598, a cute 20 year old girl. the went upstairs and the fun begun. she offers the full programm: catbarth, fire-and-ice-blowjob, asshole licking and i started by tearing her stockings, a nice joke, which i nether did before.
after that she tried to explain the 40 step card (me very little putonghua) and some of the numbers i choose. her service was outstanding and the two hours went all too fast.
i paid 600 rmb plus 100 rmb tip and went happy back to my room.
next morning i went to hui hua sauna with bsd, but i have to say that the above girls service was much better.
in the evening i decided to give her a second chance.
i called hua lei, an assistant manager of the sauna department, and he reserved her for another two hours. after that he organized a massage for one and a half hour and i had only to pay 100 rmb for it!
in the next days i tried nr. 515 and another girl, which number i forgot for 600 rmb and 500 rmb. service was not as good as with the above girl, but it was good average. so nothing to complain. after each session i got the massage for the special prize of 100 rmb due to my man hua lei.
on the last day before i left i gave it a last try and choose nr. 585, which was recommended by hua lei. a good choice. when i sat down on the bed, she didn`t wait until i undress, but came over me immediately. it was a very good session and by god. she was so wet!
damage was 600 rmb plus 100 rmb tip.
beside sauna i tried twice the walter footie service. i only want to get a footmassage, but both sessions ended in a dirty footie.
so this report is some months old, but during my stay there was no reason to complain. but i have read a lot here and on other sides, that service in cp is going down!
at another forum i could read that walter dirty footie service will close its door at the end of the month!
have to check if it is true.
will see if something have changed since that date. my flight to hk will leave in 5 hours and tomorrow i`ll reach walter hotel to test.
cu.
konsul
Fast Eddie 48
03-26-12, 22:21
Fast Eddie,
I do agree with you, throughout the past 5 years CP Saunas have been doing downhill. Except for MeiBao in my opinion. BUt it seems like you aren't in CP all that much these days. Where is the new and next frontier to seek better quality and better service Sauna girls in your opinion?
As I have discussed previously, all the veterans from back in the days 5-7 years ago who use to be very active on this Dongguan board are all gone. Either they have sought new areas other than CP / Dongguan Area or they don't seem to party that much in DG any longer.
It seems that it's getting harder and harder for Guangdong Region to attract good and new talent these days. With so many third tier cities doing so well these days, girls end up earning more back home than the DG area.
I am on a mission to seek for greener pastures elsewhere in China. Any pointers would be helpful.
AsnDragon.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1261918]To ASN,
I am mostly in Shanghai now day but I was in CP last month for 2 days did check out the Clipper and Hui hua during the week very disappointed on the quality of the girl, I did have a decent lineup at the New century but very expensive service is not very good better girl quality and service at Naping ZH and Huizhou city for sauna actions.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie,
Since you spend most of your time up in Shanghai these days, I would think that you would consider CP Saunas to be somewhat good for the price. Considering that back in 2007, I paid about 40% more for a Sauna girl in Shanghai's 4th ring district area at the Silver Spring Sauna if I am was not mistaken. I would only imagine the prices for Saunas up in Shanghai to be much more expensive.
But you are right though, in comparison to Huizhou, CP is more expensive in terms of price and quality. I never venture over to ZH anymore, as most of the places really got cleaned out over the years.
I have never formally met you before but hopefully on one of your trips down south we can meet up sometime. I've seen you post on the board for almost 10 years now, but have never had the opportunity to put a face to Fast Eddie on this board.
AsnDragon.
[QUOTE=AsnDragon; 1261969]Fast Eddie,
I do agree with you, throughout the past 5 years CP Saunas have been doing downhill. Except for MeiBao in my opinion. BUt it seems like you aren't in CP all that much these days. Where is the new and next frontier to seek better quality and better service Sauna girls in your opinion?
As I have discussed previously, all the veterans from back in the days 5-7 years ago who use to be very active on this Dongguan board are all gone. Either they have sought new areas other than CP / Dongguan Area or they don't seem to party that much in DG any longer.
It seems that it's getting harder and harder for Guangdong Region to attract good and new talent these days. With so many third tier cities doing so well these days, girls end up earning more back home than the DG area.
I am on a mission to seek for greener pastures elsewhere in China. Any pointers would be helpful.
AsnDragon.
To ASN,
I am mostly in Shanghai now day but I was in CP last month for 2 days did check out the Clipper and Hui hua during the week very disappointed on the quality of the girl, I did have a decent lineup at the New century but very expensive service is not very good better girl quality and service at Naping ZH and Huizhou city for sauna actions.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
03-27-12, 22:58
Fast Eddie,
Since you spend most of your time up in Shanghai these days, I would think that you would consider CP Saunas to be somewhat good for the price. Considering that back in 2007, I paid about 40% more for a Sauna girl in Shanghai's 4th ring district area at the Silver Spring Sauna if I am was not mistaken. I would only imagine the prices for Saunas up in Shanghai to be much more expensive.
But you are right though, in comparison to Huizhou, CP is more expensive in terms of price and quality. I never venture over to ZH anymore, as most of the places really got cleaned out over the years.
I have never formally met you before but hopefully on one of your trips down south we can meet up sometime. I've seen you post on the board for almost 10 years now, but have never had the opportunity to put a face to Fast Eddie on this board.
AsnDragon
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1262220]To ASN.
You are correct every thing is so expensive in Shanghai this is where all the money is at, most Sauna in Shanghai cost 600 rmb and up double the price of CP, Zhu hai is still good if get out of Gonbei go to Tangjia town and Naping area where all the Tawian factory and high tech park are many hotel sauna offer FS but expensive like CP, the day of DMY sauna happy hr 178 rmb FS is over most Gonbei sauna is closed for good.
Fast Eddie 48
Zhu hai is still good if get out of Gonbei go to Tangjia town and Naping area where all the Tawian factory and high tech park are many hotel sauna offer FS but expensive like CP, the day of DMY sauna happy hr 178 rmb FS is over most Gonbei sauna is closed for good.Bro Fast Eddie 48,
Man those were the days at the Ming Yuan/Dong Fang Kai Yue Sauna over at Zhuhai!
2 shots (90min) for under ¥200!
It's gone for good!
Hey guys,
I usually used Agoda or Booking to book my hotels. However with my first ever ChangPing trip I managed to find only a little bit of information there regarding the hotels in CP or DongGuan. I was wondering if any of you can give me a pointer which hotel is best that ideally also provide shuttle service to Canton Fair. I got the Sinoexcel Hotel which is right outside the EAST DONG GUAN STATION. Is it near the downtown area? Or is it quite secluded spot?
I have tried reading the forums and got A LOT of good informations on saunas and KTV, but not a whole lot of detailed hotel information. Budget-wise I am actually looking not for luxury or comfort but around 200 Yuan per night (less if possible) for twin room.
Any help is deeply appreciated.
Hey guys,
I usually used Agoda or Booking to book my hotels. However with my first ever ChangPing trip I managed to find only a little bit of information there regarding the hotels in CP or DongGuan. I was wondering if any of you can give me a pointer which hotel is best that ideally also provide shuttle service to Canton Fair. I got the Sinoexcel Hotel which is right outside the EAST DONG GUAN STATION. Is it near the downtown area? Or is it quite secluded spot?
I have tried reading the forums and got A LOT of good informations on saunas and KTV, but not a whole lot of detailed hotel information. Budget-wise I am actually looking not for luxury or comfort but around 200 Yuan per night (less if possible) for twin room.
Any help is deeply appreciated.&24481; &20449; should be a 3-4 stars hotel. Finding a 200rmb / nite in CP around Canton Fair time not easy esp in downtown area.
Sardaukar1
03-28-12, 22:33
Man those were the days at the Ming Yuan / Dong Fang Kai Yue Sauna over at Zhuhai!
2 shots (90min) for under ¥200!
It's gone for good!How much does these saunas charge now?
What are the names of these saunas in Chinese characters?
Headcheck,
Anywhere near the East Dongguan Station is too far from where most of the action is at.
If you want to live in the heard of downtown CP- Hui Hua Hotel, Miraton Area then I would recommend Walter Hotel or new Century Hotel which are 3 star hotel qualities, but they will be near the 300 range or more. Other suggestions around that area, but the quality of rooms may not be as good are: Lucky Hotel, Lion Hotel and also Sheng Ping Hotel across the street from Lion Hotel, perhaps even try Ying Feng Hotel across the street from that big shopping mall. All these are where the heart of the town is at.
Other fun area to be at is the Swan Lake Area- which you could check with Swan Lake Hotel, Clipper Hotel, Lihao Hotel, Mayflower Hotel. These hotels well be in the 250 to 300 range depending on the room type you select.
Although there are many hotels for 200 RMB, they are budget hotels that are 1-2 star quality which I would not recommend you stay at. Budget 8 hotel, Yu he Hotel, Yalan Hotel, Silver Star Hotel, all dispersed all over CP and the rooms are just very subpar.
If I were you I would just increase your budget by just 50-90 RMB more an evening and you can get yourself a much nicer and comfortable place in CP. In addition, all girls like to go with you to nice hotels not a crappy- hole in the wall type of establishment right?
Just my opinion.
AsnDragon.
Hey guys,
I usually used Agoda or Booking to book my hotels. However with my first ever ChangPing trip I managed to find only a little bit of information there regarding the hotels in CP or DongGuan. I was wondering if any of you can give me a pointer which hotel is best that ideally also provide shuttle service to Canton Fair. I got the Sinoexcel Hotel which is right outside the EAST DONG GUAN STATION. Is it near the downtown area? Or is it quite secluded spot?
I have tried reading the forums and got A LOT of good informations on saunas and KTV, but not a whole lot of detailed hotel information. Budget-wise I am actually looking not for luxury or comfort but around 200 Yuan per night (less if possible) for twin room.
Any help is deeply appreciated.
SE Asia Joe
03-29-12, 10:26
Headcheck,
Anywhere near the East.
Although there are many hotels for 200 RMB, they are budget hotels that are 1-2 star quality which I would not recommend you stay at. Budget 8 hotel, Yu he Hotel, Yalan Hotel, Silver Star Hotel, all dispersed all over CP and the rooms are just very subpar.
If I were you I would just increase your budget by just 50-90 RMB more an evening and you can get yourself a much nicer and comfortable place in CP. In addition, all girls like to go with you to nice hotels not a crappy- hole in the wall type of establishment right?
Just my opinion.
AsnDragon.On top of the above budget hotels you mention, I'd also suggest the hotel right next to the Hui Hua, behind / across the alley where the Hui Hua Hotel big screen TV is at. Rates there are circa RMB 100 and there's also a hotel next to it also at about the same price. Not Luxe of course. But OK for what its worth.
The stretch between the Walter Hotel and the Tesco mall also has a few lower priced hotels that's OK decent.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
03-30-12, 04:10
On top of the above budget hotels you mention, I'd also suggest the hotel right next to the Hui Hua, behind / across the alley where the Hui Hua Hotel big screen TV is at. Rates there are circa RMB 100 and there's also a hotel next to it also at about the same price. Not Luxe of course. But OK for what its worth.
The stretch between the Walter Hotel and the Tesco mall also has a few lower priced hotels that's OK decent.
SEAJTo SEAJ.
I check out the new Lucky last month mid week standard room is only 185 rmb all new room with flat screen tv, but they don't have as many room as before so weekend is alway full and higher rate.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie,
Wow 185 RMB is not bad. But I hope that their 185 rooms have a window. I stayed at Lucky hotel back in 2003 and a lot of rooms did not have windows, which kinda of freaks me out when and if there's a fire at the hotel.
I think they have less room because they leased out the 2nd floor and 3rd floor out to retail shops right? Now that also dedicate certain rooms for Sauna services as well so guest rooms are going to be a big fight to get just one of them for the weekend.
AsnDragon.
To SEAJ.
I check out the new Lucky last month mid week standard room is only 185 rmb all new room with flat screen tv, but they don't have as many room as before so weekend is alway full and higher rate.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
03-30-12, 15:04
Fast Eddie,
Wow 185 RMB is not bad. But I hope that their 185 rooms have a window. I stayed at Lucky hotel back in 2003 and a lot of rooms did not have windows, which kinda of freaks me out when and if there's a fire at the hotel.
I think they have less room because they leased out the 2nd floor and 3rd floor out to retail shops right? Now that also dedicate certain rooms for Sauna services as well so guest rooms are going to be a big fight to get just one of them for the weekend.
AsnDragon.Its some sort of claustrophobia for me in those hotel rooms with no windows.
I like at least a little bit of light when I sleep and a windowless room is totally dark; I feel a total loss of all sensory perceptions i.e. Space, time etc and just cannot sleep. Turn on the bathroom or any other lights and its too bright.
And these windowless rooms usually only means a savings of RMB 20 or 30 max. And thus I would refuse to accept any windowless rooms.
SEAJ
BrommaBull
04-01-12, 01:16
Currently staying at swan lake hotel. Will report my events soon. Any info on the two other ktvs that just Opened? Are they worth checking out or should I be the guinea pig?
I just checked in the hotel today! Loved to hang out and check out the scene I'm on the 9th floor. Had no idea that no one in the hotel spoke any English. Had to ask a stranger to translate to the front desk that I wanted one room.
Currently staying at swan lake hotel. Will report my events soon. Any info on the two other ktvs that just Opened? Are they worth checking out or should I be the guinea pig?
Currently staying at swan lake hotel. Will report my events soon. Any info on the two other ktvs that just Opened? Are they worth checking out or should I be the guinea pig?I just checked into the 9th floor of Swan Lake. Hitting up any KTVs tonight? Got a big group? It's just me and my buddy from Shanghai but his flight gets in pretty late so I'd love to hang out with people who can get around since my Chinese is almost non-existent.
SE Asia Joe
04-02-12, 03:05
I am starting to think that what we have been posting here has instead been a bit of disservice to readers; most of us just write about our experiences and the fun etc that we're having in Chang Ping, probably giving the wrong impression that this little village is going to be easy to navigate.
Most times when a newbie asks a question, we merely ask him to RTFF, which then reinforces his belief that with all this information, it should be a breeze. And the 3 posts preceding this probably illustrates this point well, with more and more guys coming over thinking its going to be another Pattaya or Angeles City. Well, the fact of the matter is that Chang Ping IS not that easy to tackle, especially if one has no Chinese speaking abilities and has nobody to point him in the right direction.
Daily I see all sorts of foreigners hanging about at Starbucks, McDonalds or just walking about not really knowing where he's going. And worse, sometimes making themselves a pain to some of the locals etc NOT having a clue that they really are doing so!
Anyway, I'm just stating IMHO. Don't really know what to do about this!
LOL.
SEAN
Jim Traveller
04-02-12, 12:12
Inspecting the line up without booking a room is never that big of a problem in CP. In the haydays of Jiayi, Mayflower, they used to be most adamant about a room number. Guys in suit will follow you unless you spit our the right info. At times when BSD made the booking and I don't know the name of the booking mommie / manager, I was forced to make a call to get the info right. Luckily, those difficult days are over.
To enter Mayflower / Amazon type of more "difficult" places, you can 1) follow a large group of mongers when they enter during a busy time or 2) do as I do, you take out you phone and pretend to be engaging in a phone conversation in a language other than Chinese. And totally ignore anyone who tries to approach you for info. At times when people challenge me to give them room number, I look at them with quiet indignation. And without stopping my pretend phone conversation, continued to walk in. The challenger either felt that I spoke no Chinese, or felt small at my confident / steely stare, they allways gave up without further protests.
In places like the Pen or Huihua you can enter via the back entrance. No one cares to challenge you. In Yihao, Eurasia or Fuhao, its such a zoo that you won't be challenged at all.
Now that you are in, and found your girl, it is a bit tricky to take them out. First both girl and you are taking a chance because you don't have a few hours of mutual interview that a KTV setting allows. Second, you need to take the girl to do something. Say footie, dinner or another KTV. If you decide to let the girl go without poping, are you obligated for at least a short time fee?
Mayflower even has an additional fine, for taking girls out too early. On the nights when I find myself on my own, I would sneak into Mayflower, if I find an acceptable girl, I will either join a tour guide's party. There are lots of them around and will generally charge 350 per head. You can call them up and ask if they still have a space at mayflower. If you don't like to drink with strangers. Mostly taiwan guys.you can sign up for a seat at the Hall. Noisy. You can't sing. I'd leave by 9 pm, before the really noisy show starts. It will cost you under 200 for the seat, depending on how much a drinker you are. You still get a chance to interview your birds before committing.
If you are a picky bastard like me, chances of finding good talent is slim. I have committed to many Mayflower parties only to find myself empty handed after a trip to the flower street. Thus my new MO for Mayflower is to sneak in, find your talent, and then worried about the room. If I get lucky and find 3 beauties, I'd open a room just by myself. So far, that has not happened in Mayflower, which to me is now a place that is actively managed. And done badly. And a place filled with plain women. I am not saying they are ugly. But in general it is very hard to like them, even for free. Once a while a pretty bird travels down the Mayflower flower street, within seconds she is overrun by hungry vultures. Something is rotten in the ship of Mayflower.
Mayflower will go down. A place that cannot deliver unique value will disappear after immitators like YIhao and Eurasia came up with flower street of their own. Without a quality hotel to make itself a destination, Mayflower will go the same way of Amazon. If Amazon came back a little with the naked thing. This space is getting crowded and dangerous for the KTV owners. I don't cry for the owners of Mayflower, they have more money than I could count. I just won't be surprised to see this place disappears as a destination. I remember the days when Red Lion was a hot place. Anyone been to red lion lately? If so, please report.
Freepeaks,
Mayflower is just like Jiayi. You have to open up a seat at the outside seating bar and stay for just a little bit before you can leave. They give you a fruit platter etc and you just eat some fruit and chat and then you can leave basically any time after that. Of course, the girls will always try to convince you to order them a drink as it is their requirement to do so.
And yes, I had the same experience last time when I tried to take a look at the girls without having a room number, and they were giving me a bit of crap. This also happened at Amazon as well. In fact Amazon was even more adamant about having a room number and name the room is under before even letting me pass through the pirate Ship.
AsnDragon.
I called Hua Lei, an Assistant Manager of the sauna department, and he reserved her for another two hours. After that he organized a massage for one and a half hour and I had only to pay 100 RMB for it!
In the next days I tried Nr. 515 and another girl, which number I forgot for 600 RMB and 500 RMB. Service was not as good as with the above girl, but it was good average. So nothing to complain. After each session I got the massage for the special prize of 100 RMB due to my man Hua Lei.
Konsul[/QUOTE]The massage afterwards was in the Sauna room with the same girl or they brought in a massage girl or you had to go to the massage center. I'd personally love a sauna followed by a massage sounds nice.
And totally ignore anyone who tries to approach you for info. At times when people challenge me to give them room number, I look at them with quiet indignation. And without stopping my pretend phone conversation, continued to walk in. The challenger either felt that I spoke no Chinese, or felt small at my confident / steely stare, they allways gave up without further protests.I tried that approach in Mayflower with another brother who is Chinese and they were adamant that they know our room number, we tried to say we'd sit in main room they didn't want to hear it. This was 6 months ago, so now might be different. Mayflower is and was known for sheer numbers and lots of new girls that don't know where to go hence alot of plain girls and only a few diamonds in the rough. Much like a BBS, only much larger. I always found fun and willing girls there but yes they were not 8-10 but 6-7 but get a +1 for enthusiasm. Now that JiaYi opened (is it nude?) and the other KTV which opened in the place of a former 2nd tier place that was fun. MF will have a hard time of it. The hotel well sucks in compared to many others in the area and others that are renovated recently and much better than before.
Does anyone know if Clipper has wifi in the lobby? It seems nearly all hotels have wifi in the lobby and that is nice. Has ANYONE gone to KTV in Clipper recently, I have not gone in ages. I did go to Haixia last time and the girls were not high caliber but were all lots of fun and most new to the industry meaning still a bit enthusiastic. CA was much more fun and is like the KTV of old at DFML, have not tried others but the fun is still there.
Saunas: tried Virgin and they now have soapy beds and service is still good. I think selection was not as good. Read pretty. As before, but found one that was really pretty and had a good time. Smoking body with a fading looks (24). Used to work at Eurasia, now 500 at sauna. She was 1. 68 and a 10 for the body.
Due to the Canton Fair lots of hotels are already fully booked from 13-14/04/12.
Expect KTVs to be packed like sardine cans. :D
Have bros booked their KTV rooms yet during this period?
Don't get shocked by the "bidding" price of some KTVs.
Jim,
Actually, I did go to red Lion Last year! Last year they had the Dongbei Lineup. I was trying to find a girl that I lost touch with. So I was there, opened up a room, which wasn't that expensive. I forgot the cost, like 388 or 488 or something like that. Girls were not that great looking. Shorter girls were just Mayflower quality. The Dongbei Lineup of girls were from Licheng from back in 2010 when we were there. Most of their talent dispersed to Yihao, and also other inner cities within China like Changsha, Wuhan etc.
Was the line up great? Not really. But then again there still were some mongers from HK that went there because they had this nostaligia to the place. Surprisingly, they have a whole bunch of Ducks- yes Guy working girls at Lion Hotel. So I'm guessing they have their niche also and cater to lonely older ladies within the establishment.
Jim- your type of girl can NEVER be found at Mayflower. In fact you might be able to find your quality girl once in a blue moon. But Mayflower will still be popular due to it's sheer volume of girls. Over there is Quantity versus Quality, but it's still got the most girls in CP so it's still going to be popular. In my personal opinion.
Although I don't know what they are trying to do now, with their Model line up and charging Yihao prices 400-1000-1500 or something like that.
AsnDragon.
Inspecting the line up without booking a room is never that big of a problem in CP. In the haydays of Jiayi, Mayflower, they used to be most adamant about a room number. Guys in suit will follow you unless you spit our the right info. At times when BSD made the booking and I don't know the name of the booking mommie / manager, I was forced to make a call to get the info right. Luckily, those difficult days are over.
To enter Mayflower / Amazon type of more "difficult" places, you can 1) follow a large group of mongers when they enter during a busy time or 2) do as I do, you take out you phone and pretend to be engaging in a phone conversation in a language other than Chinese. And totally ignore anyone who tries to approach you for info. At times when people challenge me to give them room number, I look at them with quiet indignation. And without stopping my pretend phone conversation, continued to walk in. The challenger either felt that I spoke no Chinese, or felt small at my confident / steely stare, they allways gave up without further protests.
In places like the Pen or Huihua you can enter via the back entrance. No one cares to challenge you. In Yihao, Eurasia or Fuhao, its such a zoo that you won't be challenged at all.
Now that you are in, and found your girl, it is a bit tricky to take them out. First both girl and you are taking a chance because you don't have a few hours of mutual interview that a KTV setting allows. Second, you need to take the girl to do something. Say footie, dinner or another KTV. If you decide to let the girl go without poping, are you obligated for at least a short time fee?
Mayflower even has an additional fine, for taking girls out too early. On the nights when I find myself on my own, I would sneak into Mayflower, if I find an acceptable girl, I will either join a tour guide's party. There are lots of them around and will generally charge 350 per head. You can call them up and ask if they still have a space at mayflower. If you don't like to drink with strangers. Mostly taiwan guys. You can sign up for a seat at the Hall. Noisy. You can't sing. I'd leave by 9 pm, before the really noisy show starts. It will cost you under 200 for the seat, depending on how much a drinker you are. You still get a chance to interview your birds before committing.
If you are a picky bastard like me, chances of finding good talent is slim. I have committed to many Mayflower parties only to find myself empty handed after a trip to the flower street. Thus my new MO for Mayflower is to sneak in, find your talent, and then worried about the room. If I get lucky and find 3 beauties, I'd open a room just by myself. So far, that has not happened in Mayflower, which to me is now a place that is actively managed. And done badly. And a place filled with plain women. I am not saying they are ugly. But in general it is very hard to like them, even for free. Once a while a pretty bird travels down the Mayflower flower street, within seconds she is overrun by hungry vultures. Something is rotten in the ship of Mayflower.
Mayflower will go down. A place that cannot deliver unique value will disappear after immitators like YIhao and Eurasia came up with flower street of their own. Without a quality hotel to make itself a destination, Mayflower will go the same way of Amazon. If Amazon came back a little with the naked thing. This space is getting crowded and dangerous for the KTV owners. I don't cry for the owners of Mayflower, they have more money than I could count. I just won't be surprised to see this place disappears as a destination. I remember the days when Red Lion was a hot place. Anyone been to red lion lately? If so, please report.
Jim Traveller
04-05-12, 01:04
I cry at the sight of MF model line up. Perhaps beauties can sometimes be found by you valiant brothers among this sorrowful group of star want-to-bes, I have had no such luck. One glimpse of these mournful beings in white evening gowns game me such a shock that I wiped my face with my trembling hands and asked the mommie standing aside."they, model?"
The affirmative anwer sent chills down my spine. It is time to retire from the hobby, I thought to myself. Because I saw a bird I once did when I was still in puberty now proudly positioned herself among the lineup of white-dressed swans. Head held high. She was not young when we last part ways. Despite being in puberty and being attracted by anything standing on two legs, I still complained secretly that she was not young enough then. Now she had nearly doubled her fee, and was still at this game!
Whatever water she has been drinking must have been gathered from the Fountain of Youth itself. May I have a susbscription to her water plan?
Such is the state of MF models. As pure as their white dress, as timeless as - - - their determination to prosper from your savings, and as much of a joke as the ones that gave your grandma that toothless laugh...
Cheer up my friends. Come, get in.
Jim,
Jim- your type of girl can NEVER be found at Mayflower. In fact you might be able to find your quality girl once in a blue moon. But Mayflower will still be popular due to it's sheer volume of girls. Over there is Quantity versus Quality, but it's still got the most girls in CP so it's still going to be popular. In my personal opinion.
Although I don't know what they are trying to do now, with their Model line up and charging Yihao prices 400-1000-1500 or something like that.
AsnDragon.
i am starting to think that what we have been posting here has instead been a bit of disservice to readers; most of us just write about our experiences and the fun etc that we're having in chang ping, probably giving the wrong impression that this little village is going to be easy to navigate.
seanagreed. if you are not fluent in mandarin, your only hope is to hook up with a guide like big swinging dave (highly recommended; read on) or iso 9000 (he had pm'ed me, but as i have had now three good weekends over the past year with bsd, why mess with success. my mandarin is minute, cantonese nonexistent.
this past saturday i enjoyed a bsd party at fuhao (sp) , the third occassion i have been there.
started off in the morning by taking the mtr intercity from hung hom to dongguan. dave had arranged for my stay at the cp peninsula for 350 yuan, one night. though this place is not central to the activities, it's only a 10- to 15-minute taxi ride (15-20 kuai, laowai penalty prolly) from fuhao and slightly less to the hotel saunas and bao zu lin massage place (where on sunday i got the most fabulous full-body, legit, rubdown. 2.5 hours of bliss for 250 yuan, plus fruit, coffee and fried noodles. back to the cp peninsula: it's aging just a little, but it's a solid, comfortable place and the included breakfast buffet this weekend was better than i had remembered it being. problem is that the b wing of the hotel, where i have been placed the past two trips, is just a major pain in the ass as you must do a good bit of walking from the main building to get to your room. two more downsides: no bathtub in rooms in this wing, and the traffic noise is a bit much. i saw from my 11th floor window that a cut-across road is being constructed to reduce the bottleneck to the main road toward the train station. that just means the honking will be all the more concentrated, so you must book a room with the inner courtyard in the a building. ok, enough of the hotel crap (except that when i have read the postings of people coming to cp and paying 200 or 250 for a closet with no window i just wonder why they wouldn't get a room proper, but to each his own).
so after checking in, i met dave for dim sum at the miraton. really good dim sum place and much cheaper than the hong kong places i have been to. we both went to the massage place for a foot massage, where i met a couple of chinese partiers (one american, one australian).
from there dave had a car ready to take me to a bbs a few blocks from my hotel. daddy-san greeted me on the street and took me to the typically shabby alley / garage corridor where he unlocked a gate, a door and into a room where several girls (and i would say they were on the young side, but certainly legal one would hope). the lasses, i'd say about 12 to 14 of them, were totally indifferent, to me and the three chinese punters who entered shortly after i did). i would say about half did not look up, a bad sign, and one was doing needlepoint, an even badder sign, unless you're into the arts-and-crafts starfish fuck, i suppose. a total of two seemed friendly, so i picked a skinny girl with bangs, cute face with some pimples, but not too bad. paid 100 kuai to the daddy and off we went. as it was too near the hotel to take a taxi we walked, no complaint from the girl. it seemed like a rel walk of shame, though, so to avoid trouble i kept a pace or two ahead of her for much of the walk, glancing now and again. friendly girl, sweet smile, and a seemingly fresh snatch, considering the likely, er, high turnover. really the bbs girls are to me just a quick nut release, but i have had good experiences with this type of mongering in dongguan. the ktv girls, on the other hand, have been a mixed bag. more on that.
now back to the girl. when we were disrobing for the shower, she grabbed her cellphone and typed in to a translation app.
"do you have the money?"
"l a t e r. i pay yoooo laaaaater." i am pissed off as i am believing that she wants me to pay upfront. but i keep my composure (in some instances i would have sent her on her way and dealt with the papasan, prolly through dave, later.
she's back to typing in the cellphone."do you have american money?"
aw, she's just asking for her pay in usa currency. kind of cute, and considering the declining value of the stuff, probably not a very educated choice on her part, but hell, perhaps she's into numismatics. she understands my poor chinese, that i work in hk and don't have usd. anyway, on the sex, it was a decent enough diversion but not penthouse letters material. her cute little body did the trick, and it did not take long to bust that nut, at a cost of 150 (i only had hundreds, so she got herself a tip) plus the 100 paid at the door.
that left time for a shower, dinner at the hotel (not bad) and by 6:30 i had been deposited at fuhao, where i met bsd and was introduced to wilde, a member of this board. flower street had a large quantity but for some reason i had difficulty in finding girls. wilde was making recommendations (tall, *****y types or, ahem,"fun" girls, as he calls them. i had him approve one selection, an athletic looking, wide-lipped girl with short hair. one down, one to go. i probably made six or seven passes through those lines. of the what. 150 or 250 girls, i would say that only about six of them made any effort to make a sale, for themselves or a friend. some of this would be owing to the fact that i am a nearly 50 year old white guy, but still. there were some very beautiful girls, none of which would make eye contact. one flat out used the language barrier as a pretext for not joining. well, whatever, always good to know early before you find out in the room. by this time dave is gently chiding me, suggesting, of all girls, one i had done last year. turns out that she is well known to the bsd entourages (i think i got that started by giving her high marks back when). tall girl, wore the same red dress she had captured me with last year. but i didn't want a nearly 30 year old, preferring the hunt for the new. ended up picking bing bing, on dave's recommendation.
in the room i was one of four punters and eight (perhaps another two for good measure) girls. the other brothers were mainland chinese and wilde of the yukon territories. maybe it was toronto. he had selected two of the whorier looking ones, including the very fun girl who on six occasions lunged to unbuckle my belt. and with the exception of wilde removing his shirt and then unsuccessfully trying to force my tall girl out of her bra (which would put her in a sour mood, the beginning of the end of her being a good date. well, no matter, as i think i had been in the room all of two minutes when i realized which would be my choice for the evening, bing bing of hubei. after about four hours of dice games, karaoke (and, man, one of the chinese bros, a private equity guy from shanghai who was great great fun and very good with the eminem tunes) and light dancing, we all went our ways. my tab, with the foot massage from earlier in the day, was 900 yuan. this included food and specialty drinks for the girls, an extra case of beer, plus dave's modest fee. no complaints. if there had been more bros, suppose it would have been cheaper. the tall girl who was sent off cost 300 (300-500-800).
bing bing had agreed to lt, but if you have been to cp you know how that may work out. though dave had told me that other western punters had branded her "very good", she was mamahuhu (so-so) , nice enough body, seemed to enjoy daty, but as with many or most of those chinese girls, does not suck cock. this is one of the things that is starting to wear on me with the ktv scene in china. the indonesians in wan chai with their "up to you" attitude is beginning to make an impression, in a positive way. bing bing is hardly a bad lay, as they go, and as they say it's a two-way street. i was doing my best to give her pleasure, though. after going through the standard positions, i finished as she straddled me cowgirl, with some really nice grinding moves. did the job.
things seemed to be on course when i saw her getting dressed as i finished my shower. here we go again (i had had a runner last year, if i should call it that. but to me when lt becomes st, even at the st pay rate, i am a bit unhappy as that wasn't the deal, and i may have chosen differently had i known)."teng," she says, pointing toward her crotch."too big" (in english) , pointing at mine. well, in this case, flattery got her nowhere. i paid her 500, the st price and off she went. the upside: a good night's rest with no additional bullshit from her.
well, this has become a long-assed and most boring missive from the laowai's perspective on the changping ktv experience.
in summation:
big swinging dave: five stars, always superior service. this trip had good quality time with the man, who was very attentive and arranged everything (cars, massages, hotel, party). i cannot recommend him enough.
hotel: 3. 5 stars. can't beat the price.
bbs girls: down and dirty, get your rocks off at a good value. 3 stars.
massages: five stars. pm dave to get the name of the sichuan masseuse. she is fabulous. this is not a sex massage (though she did give the balls some good contact from the rear; maybe this is therapeutic to the chinese, but it was beginning to get a rise, shame on me; this is a family operation, remember!)
the town: blech, but absolutely beautiful when the streets come alive with the wgs!
Oh, and perhaps the most important rating was missing in my last post.
KTV girls: 2- 2. 5 stars. Increasingly bad attitude, average performance in bed. If not for the good points (cheap, incredibly good LEGIT massages, cheap food, reasonably priced hotels and easy enough access from HK and good experiences at BBS and sex saunas) , then CP would be in a bad way in my book. But good camaraderie from the bro's in the party room and an excellent host in BSD make it worthwhile.
But if the KTV girls continue to be a pain in the ass, then I will stick with my wonderfully accommodating dick-sucking, CIM, Indonesian and Filipina friends, The Happy Network, in Hong Kong. I do believe Chinese girls are well above in the looks department, but I am thinking that I am just too old to deal with their shit, all things considered. They ain't all that, as they say.
Sardaukar1
04-06-12, 07:40
One glimpse of these mournful beings in white evening gowns game me such a shock that I wiped my face with my trembling hands and asked the mommie standing aside."they, model?"
The affirmative anwer sent chills down my spine. It is time to retire from the hobby, I thought to myself.No need to retire from the hobby bro. Just get yourself to Yihao KTV. They have some nice models there.
And stop going to Mayflower.
I called Hua Lei, an Assistant Manager of the sauna department, and he reserved her for another two hours. After that he organized a massage for one and a half hour and I had only to pay 100 RMB for it!
In the next days I tried Nr. 515 and another girl, which number I forgot for 600 RMB and 500 RMB. Service was not as good as with the above girl, but it was good average. So nothing to complain. After each session I got the massage for the special prize of 100 RMB due to my man Hua Lei.
Konsul. The massage afterwards was in the Sauna room with the same girl or they brought in a massage girl or you had to go to the massage center. I'd personally love a sauna followed by a massage sounds nice.I am just back from China yesterday.
The 100 RMB offer is no longer valid. I asked Hua Lei and he said the prize for the 90 min. Massage is 238 RMB. Quite too expensive!
Last year they brought in another girls from the massage department. Both were not so good looking, but offered handjobs!
The footie department in Walter Hotel is definitely closed! So nothing there.
Greetings from Konsul
GodIsCrazy
04-10-12, 04:28
A million thanks to all the Bros who have been posting many information in this forum. I heard that Taoyuan has recently reopen. Any news and actions there to share. Intent to make a trip there soon.
Jettsetter
04-11-12, 03:19
Just seeing who is around tonight. Hard to keep track! Apparently this weekend is going to be crazy. Get ready!
Jett
MangoFromOz
04-11-12, 04:16
Hey guys, going solo into CP on early evening of 12 till 13.
Then shanghai for 2 nights then back 16-18.
4th trip this time around, if anyone wants to join me it'll be cool.
Or I can tag along with your grp.
Thanks!
SE Asia Joe
04-14-12, 16:39
Joined one of Dave's parties at the Haixia tonight. And yes, its NOT had a facelift. The same old Haixia as far as I NOW remember!
A strange thing happened tonight though; a relatively newbie came and picked his gal at the flower street, came back to the KTV room and another girl (which he told me he did NOT pick) came and sat next to him and thus he had 2 gals playing with him. After an hour or so, he asked me: How come this girl is playing with me?
Long story short, the gal claimed that this newbie had picked her and even gave her the room number to go to. But of course, according to him, he never did anything of the sort. I had Dave intervene, but as she had already sat with him for that period of time, rightly, he did have to pay her the sitting fee.
Morale of the story? Don't ever assume anything at a KTV and its in your best interest to make everything crystal clear. And of course never assume that ANY KTV gal is going to sit with you just because you're such a stud! LMAO!
But yeah, it's still the same Hiaxia and still not much special. Especially since their gals are now 2-6-9 (green tag) and 3-6-1 (Yellow tag). Wonder which CP KTV still has good 2-5-8 gals? Or the 1-3-7 ones like at the old SWL. Man I had some good times there then! Sigh!
SEAJ
Hi All,
Here are a few details from my 4th visit to CP. Each time something new happens. My last time here had some drama involving a 4 some with me and my buddy and his girl. The drama lasted well into the night with me and my PJ's on. All the girl wanted was an extra 200rmb. Thought I was a chump because she saw my wad of cash looked like easy picking. Long story short, my back up eventually arrived and after some eventfull negotiation, she got 100 and was told to leave. Yup, I jubed out for 100rmb. It was actually quite entertaining.
Fast forward to my 4th visit. I was determined not to start anymore drama in CP. I just wanted to relax and have a good time.
Day 1. Good old Swan lake hotel. I had to give face to our manager so we decided to stay here and party it up the first night. There were only 3 of us but we're all heavy drinkiers. The line of girls here, or should I say lack of, did not stop us from having fun. My buddies had no problems choosing two girls each from the line up. Price was either 2-5-8 or 3-6-10. I'm not sure how they can really charge 3-6-10 as the quality is quite low. I couldn't find one in the line up so my manager took me to Penisula to get one. Apparently, you can only do this during the weekday and not the weekend. Off I go to Penisula. As I step out of the hotel, I see my Mayflower manager that I've befriended a few years. He offers to drive me there instead. Sweet. Once at Penisula, I had not time finding girls. Not only was the line up better, but there wasn't really any business there so I was a rare commodity. I quickly run around the maze with the mommies harrassing me to pick their girls. For a moment, it almost felt like the first time I was there when I were the centre of attention. It's hard to get the feeling now. I eventually pick two girls and off we go back to swan lake KTV. Each girls is 3-7-10. Once we got into the room, the 2nd girl I choose quickly distanced herself from me. I guess she was just happy knowing she would get the sitting fee. Oh well, I was determined not to let it bring down the mood. Old me would have caused a shit storm by calling the mommie and complaining but that ruins the night even though I usually don't pay their sitting fee. She shat in the corner and once in awhile would come over and have a drink with me. I ended up taking the other girl home. Total damage that night for 6 dozen beers and some snacks was 1300rmb. I swear that must have been the cheapest bill ever. Our average bills are always 3G plus. Back at the room, did the deed and before you know it something new happened. The girl wanted to leave. I've never had this before. I've always did either long term or don't bring them back at all. Reason being is because I'm usually half drunk and can't perform so I do it in the morning when I'm more sober. I focused and tried really hard to push it out, but man that was hard. I maybe 30 but after a hard night of drinking, I just want to go to sleep. Paid the girl 7 and then passed out.
Day 2. Yi Hao.
The three of us decided to hit up Yi Hao to give face to another manager. My previous experience here is some what mixed. The place is nice with the posh style rooms but they're all money hungry. Every single one of them and they will try whatever they can to get it. Upon arrival we were shown our room which is quite big for just 3 people. Never the less, we were determined to populate it with girls. Off to the flower street. I glanced at the model line up but wasn't too impressed with it. I prefer short girls anyways. Once again, my boys choose their girls relatively fast but not me. I had such a hard time that I had to do multiple walks. After getting quite impatient cause the selection was rather poor, I gave up and told myself to just choose two to chill. Finally, I picked two girls. Both were 3-7-10. Was tempted to another girl from the 2-6-9 line up but decided two was enough. They were quite pretty. One girl had a iphone. Oh, I didn't mention the Iphone thingy. So lets back track, last night at swan lake KTV, the girl that distanced herself had an iphone. Fast forward to day 2, once again one of the girls that I choose had an iphone. The was phone was locked up but just like the last girl, she quickly distanced herself from me. Felt like Deja Vu all over again. I guess she's content on just making the sitting fee. So we go through another round of heaving drinking. The bill came out to be 2600rmb which is significantly more than day 1. In addition, we had to tip an extra 100 for the cleaning guy. At this point, we're paying off the girls that we don't want to take home. Then something happens that really pisses all of the guys off. Each of the girls that were dismissed and the mommie all ask for extra tips. How dare they ask? If the service was good, we would tip, but Yi haos service was sub par at best. We ignored their request just like how the girl ignored me in the room once she was choosen. Just taking a page out of their book. Me and the guys got so upset, we cancelled our 2nd trip that was supposed to be at yihao on day 5. Yi hao is great for old people / ballers but in terms of entertainment value, other venues are better. I took my girls home cause she was somewhat engaged and I think find her good looking. Back at my room, we do our thing. I'm still drunk as a monkey so it's taking some time. As I take a break to rest, the girl request short term because she's almost on the rag. What? Short term again! NOOOOO. That's twice now. What's going on here? Is this the new norm? Is she about to get her rag or what? I gather enough strength and finish off the deed and then paid her ST fee. Once again, before she departs she ask for 100rmb tip. That's seems to be the reoccurring theme at Yi Hao. I play the game back and told her to stay the night and she gets the LT fee plus the tips. She declines which I'm alttile surprised. I eventally tell her that I'll be back and Yi Hao and when I pick her again she will get the extra 100 tip. She smiles at me cause she knows I'm lying through my teeth. Off she goes and another cold bed for me in the morning.
Day 3. Mayflower.
Where it all started for me and where my flower street cherry was popped. The quality of girls here has come down significantly. They only sport quantity now. In my previous sessions here, I've had somewhat mixed reviews. I guess luck of the draw. You pick a good girl, you do great. You pick a bad one and it can ruin your night. Once again, me and the boys get a relatively large room for 3 guys and we are determined again to fill it with girls. Off we go to the flower street. For a change, this time around, I had relatively ease at picking my two girls. They stood out pretty fast and I grabbed them. Both girls were 3-6-10. My boys on the other hand weren't so lucky and had to make a few rounds before finally settling on two girls. Back at the room, we play the usual dice games. By now, I'm getting quite good at lying cause If I don't, I'm going to get super drunk. We party into the wee hours and the girls are more engaged than the ones from Yi Hao. For once, I had both girls fighting for my attention. That elusive feeling that I search for in day 1 and 2 finally came in day 3. Towards the end of the night something interesting happened. One of the girls acted upset and started distancing herself from me. I thought to myself, not again. Is she bowing out because she just wanted the sitting fee? At this time, the other girl is all over me like a fat kid on a smartie and I'm loving every moment of it. When she got off of me to use the bathroom, I approaced the other girl lying on the sofa. Her mommie also happened to be there. I ask her mommie what the deal was and why she ain't available for take out. She replies back with a quick "yes, she's availabe, why wouldn't she be". After some talking, I discovered that the other girl told her that I've already made my choice. What? How is that possible? Scandalous girl. I told her to get back up because I haven't made my decision yet. Her eyes glitter up and before you know it, she's back in the game. After getting pissed drunk again, the night has to concluded and we start paying off our girls. Now, I'm usually not a bastard but whatever, I'm going to pull a dirt move out of my buddies arsenal. I grab 3bills are as I'm slowly sliding it to the girl that gave up, I can see in the rear of my eye, the happiness from the scandalous girl. Little did she know, I was about to do the shuffle. At the precise moment, I whipped the money to the scandalous girl and thank her for a lovely evening. I don't think she was too happy with that. Oh well, that's how the game is played. It is just one big game afterall. Total damage for the room was 2400 on par with Yi Hao prices. Take the other girl home and that's when the fun begins. This time around I was determined not have the ST happen again. I wanted a girl waking up beside me and I will not be denied. Once back at the hotel, things got alittle heated and she was totally down for making some nice videos. Oh what great memories I have now. In the morning, popped her again and paid her 1100. Surely the movie was worth the extra 100rmb. She was fun but I didn't get her number. Too bad because I might have considered a repeat which I rarely do.
Jia Yi (桃园) KTV reopened on 29/03/12 after minor renovations. So far my test runs have proven to be quite successful.
Hostess strength is approximately 300 on weekdays and 500 on weekends. Majority of the hostesses are in the 3•7•10 category.
Beverage prices are slightly cheaper than Mayflower (万怡) KTV.
From DJs to hostesses the service level is very good when compared to other popular KTVs. Hostess quality is better than Mayflower KTV. Many bros are very satisfied and surprised of the outcome as well.
Reminds me of my virgin trip to Jia Yi (桃园) KTV when I first visited CP many years ago. Hostesses are very attentive and fun. Not stuck up. In general the DJs and hostesses are more willing to please the customer on the whole.
I believe many bros started out their mongering career at Jia Yi (桃园) KTV when it was opened back in the mid 2000s. I'm sure it'll bring back a lot of nostalgic memories when they revisit this KTV again!
Keep up the good work Jia Yi (桃园) KTV! Jia Yi/Mayflower's boss really know how to do business by re-inventing itself again.
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Minimum Spending
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Room: ¥588 / 1088
Hostess Category: 2•6•9 / 3•7•10 / 5•13•18
10% service charge by KTV
Hi all,
Newbie here. I'm soloing changping during these days and looking for someone or a group to join with.
I'm a very friendly Chinese and fair with the splitting of the bill at the end of the night. Just hit me with a message.
Thanks and hope you guys have fun!
Hello, this is my very first ever post. I have been using ISG for many years and found the "courage" to finally make a post and contribution.
Background: I partied before in Manilla, Thailand, Mexico, Hong Kong and Macao. This would be my first visit in CP which was about 1 month ago. So the report is a tad late but better then never.
I am from North America and went with a few friends who before had been too CP. We met up with BSD (Dave) who arranged all the hotels / parties (more about him later). I think my report will be more useful for new CP goers and those from english speaking countries. I am Chinese and speak cantonese but my manderin is very minimal.
Hotels: We stayed at Yihao and CP Peninsula. For about $63 USD at Yihao it was very good. CP Pen. Was a little cheaper and not as nice at Yihao but probably the best $50usd hotel I ever stayed at. For you non-smokers be ok with the fact all rooms smell like smoke regardless. Yihao was better but the CP Pen it took awhile to get use too. I think if we go back we would do Yihao again. The breakfast was better and the rooms had more room. Compared to HK, well there really is no comparison.
We did only the KTV and Suana thing:
KTVs.
Mayflower: I know a lot of other posters find this place too large or avg but for me I had my best experience. Nothing beats checking out a few hundred girls at once!
Yihao: We went twice and both time were fun. This place was my first KTV experience and on my first night I picked 2 girls on the rag so make sure you look closer at where those tags are placed. I think I was so overwhelmed my first time that I practically stop thinking. Trust me the first time is will be a crazy experience for those who never been to a KTV. Rooms were very nice and the whole place seemed "higher class"
Ou Ya: Similar to Yihao in girl quality and KTV rooms. We had dinner at this place and it was one of the best dinners in a long time although it was pricey. Picked up a country bumpkin girl and had a great night.
Amazon: We were part of a crazy party that was posted on here awhile back. The naked KTV thing is something you must try once in your life. Nothing beats 20 naked girls dancing around and were all available to grab and try. One chick had the most amazing set of tits I ever felt. Dave had these really fun games and the atmosphere that night was hard to beat. I agree that overall the girls were not as pretty but overall they all were good sports and made it a fun night. We partied with other people of similar background and it was neat to meet other bros.
KTV SUMMARY.
At first I didn't enjoy the KTV thing. But once I got "better" at picking girls and playing the games it turned out to be quite fun and in fact addictive. Our routine was legit massage or sauna during the day and KTV flower street at 6pm. What a way to spend the week. For newbies Dave taught us to pick your first girl quick and then take your time on the second. I think it will vary with what you will get once you get them to the room. From where I am from overnight with any hooker is just crazy pricey so I made sure I wanted to do LT each night to maximize my value! Only 1 of the 6 I brought back to my room changed to ST. All the others stayed over night and there really is nothing better then waking up to a nice 20-something girl next to you when the sex life back home is stale. I can't say one KTV was much better then the other as they all had there own advantages. Flower street really is something to see. I been to 18 Sauna in Macao but that was something else. For those who asked before there was one night we did not goto the KTV and this is when we were staying at the Peninsula we went to check out their KTV and asked one of the manager if we could see the line up and bring back a girl for overnight. At first they kind of said no so we gave a small tip and told them our room numbers. We headed upstairs to our room and 30 mins later we get a knock and a mommy brought up 4 girls to choose from. I picked one and my friends passed. Only Ok in bed but good attitude and she spoke cantonese to that helped. But once you are lying down there really is no need to talk right? My only one suggestion for newbies is to limit your sitting partners to 2. I did three one night and it was hard to involve all of them. I think I got lucky that night as one of the three was really going out of her way to impress me so at least I had a feeling they were "fighting" for me which doesn't happen at all anywhere else! LOL Only one thing I wish was different was that I found all the dresses they had to wear on flower street cheesy. I think the gals all looked better in there own "street" clothes. I think this would of helped me chose quicker and I kind of think what they naturally wear can reveal a little about their personalities. Either that or just make them wear bikinis!
Sauna.
We only went to 2. Yihao and Virgin. Yihao had a more higher class and newer rooms. 700-1000rmb for 2 hours. 2 shots. Great value compared to shit back home so I was happy. Virgin was great place to pick 2 girls. I chose two young 18-20 yr olds who took turns making me cum. 1100 rmb incl the room fee. I wish I had more energy to go back but with all the drinking at the KTV we didn't always have the energy to do the sauna although it really was a great deal compared to Macao where the girls may be better overall but can't compare the price.
Dave (BSD)
I need to thanks Dave for the great time. If you have a smaller group its great to do the mix KTV parties. He is from USA and understands what we kind of wanted. The restaurants he took us to were great which even made the who trip better. Nothing better then lots of pussy and good food. I thought his fee for his services were very reasonable. If you speak no Chinese then he can still show you a good time in CP. In fact if you don't speak any Chinese then I think a guide is a must. Dave gave us a lot of tips on how to have fun at the KTV and just made the whole trip more enjoyable. He hooked us up in parties with others with similar backgrounds and I do believe that was large part of the reason we enjoyed our CP trip. Nothing like meeting new bros with similar interests. He had to change our hotel booking a few times be / see of the changes in our itinerary but each time he came through. He even took a fellow bro to the doctor when he was feeling ill. I am having a lot of CP withdrawal since I been back. I miss you Dave!
FINAL SUMMARY.
Another place I really enjoy mongering is MNL. Its hard to compare the two places. MNL has a wide range of places to goto and overall the MBC (see manila forum) value is hard to beat. But I am from North America so CP was still good value. I thought the girls in CP were "cleaner / better hygiene" but girls from MNL are more fun in bed. I didn't find the girls very open to 3somes or backdoor. In fact when I asked they look at me like I was the largest pervert! WTF? In fact the KTV girls for me where really not that experienced in bed. But saying all that I still had a blast so much I finally made my first post! I hope to get back there and hope Dave will be around. So for those who never been to CP do go check it out. It really is a place of its own and you do feel like in monger heaven. I envy those who live around here and making so easily accessible. If it was a few hour flight I would be here a few times a year.
Big Joe 11
04-21-12, 00:46
From what I read from Chinese hobby forum, a lot of Chinese no longer going to CP but to other places for cheaper price.
ZhenDajiba
04-21-12, 10:48
A big thanks to Dave (BSD) for all your work my friend. Keep it up!
I have just returned from another trip to CP and this time (with the help of Dave) I managed to visit several KTV bars that I had not been to before.
I still reckon they are all "much of a muchness" though!
Just a quick word to all the bros out there about one particular incident I encountered.
A hostess at the Mayflower appeared to be fairly 'interested' in me so I chose her.
She told me that I was her first foreigner. And I had no reason not to believe her (but didn't really care anyway!)
Apart from the fact she talked far too much and far to quickly, she was fun to be with and gave reasonably good service.
I decided to keep her for the following night (I have kept them before for several consecutive nights if the service is good) and I left her in my hotel
Room when I went to work the next day (again, something I have done regularly)
That evening when I arrived at the hotel, I called her and she came straight over. Popped her immediately and then went off to the KTV bar arranged by Dave.
Again, a good night. So no worries!
Decided to keep her for one more night and left her in my room again when I went off to work.
On both occasions she text me when she left my room (around 11am) and had put the card "Please make up my room" on the door.
Though we were now into the 3rd day, I had not yet paid her for the previous 2 nights (so I owed her RMB2000). But we had agreed I would pay her 3000 after 3 nights and she was happy with that arrangement.
However, I got caught up in Guangzhou and was late getting back to CP.
She sent me an sms and said she would wait in the hotel lobby for me, but I told her it would be around 9pm by the time I arrived and that she should go to the KTV bar and wait for me in our pre-booked room. Which she did.
No worries (so I thought)
Although I had made it crystal clear I would not be there till 9pm, she continued to bombard me with texts and calls. Up to the point that I was
Getting annoyed.
I called my friend (who speaks better Mandarin than me) and asked him to explain. Which he did.
When I arrived at the KTV at 9. 10pm, she was in tears and was crying quite un-controllably.
I was told by my friends there that she had been crying for a while and was worried I wasn't going to come there. She had made their night (so far) quite irritating.
I calmed her down (initially) and told her there was no need to get upset (etc etc etc etc)
The rest of the night was OK, but when we got back to my room she started again.
A huge argument followed and I ended up throwing (literally) 2000rmb at her.
I told her that her behaviour was terrible and that she was like a small spoilt child.
I allowed her to stay the night but refused to pop her and refused to pay her for that night. I told her it was up to her if she wanted to stay or go.
After getting dressed and walking to the door. She changed her mind and then she decided to stay. HER CHOICE!
The following day she went home and then kept texting me all day asking me if we could meet that night.
Needless to say, I refused.
So the whole point in me telling you this, is quite simple.
If you make an arrangement with one of these girls and make it quite clear what your (honest) intentions are. Don't EVER believe them!
OH. There is a bit more to this story but I not got time to tell you now. Watch this space!
I made my bi-annual visit to Changping (business, of course!) this week. I always stay at the Hui Hua – a nice centrally located hotel on the main intersection in Changping.
And, I generally use the hotel "spa" facilities. At times I'll head over to the area behind the Hui Mei, but other times I just like the safety and convenience of the Hui Hua sauna.
As has been mentioned, the setup has changed a bit. Previously you were lead to a room and then a dozen or two girls were paraded in for your selection.
Now they've gone upscale. The mommy takes you to a room that has a stage and runway, disco-lights on the ceiling, etc. You sit at tables with the mommy and then the girls are brought out – to music. First the 300 (rmb) girls, followed by the 400, the 500, and the 600s. One from each side of the stage steps up and then toward each other. Then they walk down the runway together for a close-up view.
I've tried the spendier girls in the past, but find I get better service from the lower priced girls. The higher priced girls have been around a while, so seem to be stuck in their routine and lack spontaneity. The expensive girls also seem to have an "attitude" and spend a lot of time looking at themselves in the mirror. The lower priced girls are newer and a little more enthusiastic (in my book).
I chose #131 – a 400rmb girl. She was smiling and animated on the stage, whereas the others did their parade with stony faces like "real" models on a runway.
It was a good choice. She spoke zero English, but as these things go, that wasn't a problem. She was enthusiastic and didn't try the whole cat-bath routine.
After the normal play, I attempted DATY. She initially tried to wiggle away, but I persisted, and she eventually got into it, spreading her legs widely. I took her to climax and she was all over the bed and moaning loudly. After that, she couldn't do enough for me.
Looks: 9.
BJ: 7.
Enthusiasm: 8.
Price: 400 (plus the room charge)
The mommy was quite upset with me that I didn't know the new routine. It seems that you are supposed to call her before coming to the sauna. She wants 10 minutes notice before you arrive. She was very insistent about this and kept repeating it. The price for the room is 288 if you just show up, and 218 if call 10 minutes in advance.
ZhenDajiba
04-22-12, 12:31
As a regular visitor to CP (and I ALWAYS stay at the Hui Hua hotel). I must confess to never having used their sauna.
A really good friend of mine (Simon) is the manager of the sauna at the HaiXia, so I always go there.
First they parade the girls and you look at the number of the one you like. Then you tell Simon the number of the girl you like. He will then tell you if her service is good or not.
If good, go for it, if he says not, then simply choose another and go through the same process.
I have been there many many many times and have NEVER been disappointed!
2 hours. All up, including room charge, etc etc is about rmb500.
Message me and I will give you Simons number, He will even send a driver (free of charge) to collect you from your hotel and take you back there if you are in CP.
Top service!
Have Fun
Message me and I will give you Simons number, He will even send a driver (free of charge) to collect you from your hotel and take you back there if you are in CP.
Top service!
Have FunHey, ZhenDajiba, Tried to PM you to get Simon's contact info, as 500 renminbi seems like a very good price for two hours FS massage. But the PM bounced back. If you are an ISG member and have PM capability, please forward the info, if you would be so kind. Thanks.
I live in Hong Kong and I frequently visit all the exotic venues in Dongguan, which is a well known sex fantasy land for Hong Kong and Taiwanese native and in the Asian circle.
Here are some of the place and experience I had from before.
There are places with very young beautiful girls at 40 donations for quicky.
There are places with 2 hours full body massage, with massage specialist all in different fantasy costume giving you all you can come service for 2 hours, picking from hundreds of specialist from one place. These massage specialist are all well train with their tongue and body and they go places and service where no one has gone and done for you before. And I try their 2 specialist at once package (1+1 package) and thats what I call fantasy. Donations is around 100 and 50 more for the 1 + 1.
Then there are these karaoke where you get your own prestige looking room and you drink and play with your pick of PR girls, you will be taken to a hall of 1000 girls all line up for you, you pick your PR girls as you walk around the hall surrounded by them, it is a site to see, it is like walking into a dance club and I get to pick any girls I want, it was something to experience. The hotel is above the karaoke, so all actions will take place after the drinking or if you get itchy half way through the night you can go up and have some fun then come back down to drink some more. The drinks and koreoke usually will cost you around 80 for the night depends on how much you want to drink and what you are drinking. PR will cause 50 to accompany you all night at the koreoke. 50 more to go up to the hotel for a quicky, and another 70 for an over night stay request.
There are also some karaoke with strip service where all the PR in the room would strip down for an hour, they call it the nude hour, it is also a must try experience.
There are all sort of kinky service, it is just a heaven for us man.
I use DGPRO everywhere, So PM me or twitter me if you are heading or planning an Asian trip, and I will be glad to help a fellow brother. Oh and if you are not planning a trip, start planning ha ha, it will be a time of your life, more fun if you are traveling with your hunting buddies. I will give you all the info and help you need to have a fun and safe trip.
IrishLad81
04-23-12, 09:20
Folks forgive my ignorance but can someone explain this category thing I keep seeing on the China forums.
Example.
Hostess Category: 2•6•9/3•7•10/5•13•18
Folks forgive my ignorance but can someone explain this category thing I keep seeing on the China forums.
Example.
Hostess Category: 2•6•9/3•7•10/5•13•18That's the price for the girls I. E 2. 6.9 means 200 RMB sitting fee. 600 RMB ST and 900 RMB LT
Folks forgive my ignorance but can someone explain this category thing I keep seeing on the China forums.
Example.
Hostess Category: 2•6•9/3•7•10/5•13•18Multiply the number by 100 for the amount.
Sitting fee $200rmb / Short term (time it takes you to blow one shot out of your pecker) $600 rmb / Long Term (Overnight rate, can be multiple times per night) $900 rmb.
Geddit. If you would read the forum, many bros has written about this. Now. RTFF
If you make an arrangement with one of these girls and make it quite clear what your (honest) intentions are. Don't EVER believe them!
OH. There is a bit more to this story but I not got time to tell you now. Watch this space!Most guys will tell you that you should always pay at the end of the day. You holding her money forces her back to you.
Which if she really likes to hang with you, you shouldn't need to do that. Secondly you did have 2000 of her money (that is a week's.
Salary for most average KTV girls, since most don't get asked or choose not to do overnight.). She has probably been screwed out.
Of money before. So she was freaking. Worse yet she might have had a boyfriend that would have beat her up over the missing cash.
You never know their situation.
She called you the next day after you didn't pay her, meaning she must have liked hanging with you, but you should not have been so harsh.
On her. Now IMHO only. No need to flame, just some brotherly advise. Pay them off at the end of the day cause you never know what the.
Next day might bring. (if you met a hottie on the train would you have blown her off completely?. Not only did you tie her to you. You tied.
Up yourself to her)
SE Asia Joe
04-24-12, 09:57
I live in Hong Kong and I frequently visit all the exotic venues in Dongguan.
There are all sort of kinky service, it is just a heaven for us man.
I use DGPRO everywhere, So PM me or twitter me if you are heading or planning an Asian trip, and I will be glad to help a fellow brother. Oh and if you are not planning a trip, start planning ha ha, it will be a time of your life, more fun if you are traveling with your hunting buddies. I will give you all the info and help you need to have a fun and safe trip.So. You are DGPRO? And you are an agent?
And if you are an agent, I think you should instead just post your advertisement in the classified Ads section instead of here.
Of course if you've got actual information and / or reports you can / should post it on here. But if it's only an advertisement of your service, that belongs in the classified ad section.
Originally Posted by freepeaks
Most guys will tell you that you should always pay at the end of the day. You holding her money forces her back to you.
Which if she really likes to hang with you, you shouldn't need to do that. Secondly you did have 2000 of her money.
You never know their situation..........
On her. Now IMHO only. No need to flame, just some brotherly advise. Pay them off at the end of the day cause you never know what the.
Next day might bring. (if you met a hottie on the train would you have blown her off completely. Not only did you tie her to you. You tied.
Up yourself to her) Totally agree with your advise / sentiment!
SEAN
ZhenDajiba
04-24-12, 12:17
Thanks guys. I do agree with your comments. Perhaps I should have paid her at the end of the day. But that aside, it still does not excuse her
Behaviour when I was only 10 minutes late!
That aside, I did say that I would tell you part 2. Haha.
On the second day we were together, again I left her in my room when I went off to work. No problem.
Before I left, I put all my laundry in the laundry bag supplied by the hotel so they could wash my clothes. I assumed they had taken them to wash.
On the third day (when she behaved like a little schoolkid) , nothing was mentioned.
The 4th morning when I went off to work (again leaving her in bed. Although I had paid her by now so there was no need for her to have any further issues) she was bombarding me all day with text messages.
I sent her a text back and told her that perhaps it would be better if she didn't wait for me tonight and that she should go to work instead. I told her that after her behaviour the night before, I was not sure that I wanted to meet with her again.
Then I got the strangest message. She asked me what time I would arrive back at the hotel since she needed to bring me my clothes!
My first thoughts were. Oh SHIT! She has taken my clothes as a 'ransom' (2 days earlier) in case I didn't pay her?
I told her I would be late back to the hotel so she said she would drop them at reception.
When I arrived back at the hotel, I went straight to reception and sure enough there was the hotel laundry bag will all my clothes inside!
The only problem was. They were all WET!
She had taken them home, washed them all and then brought them back. Soaking wet!
I was due to fly home the next day so my room ended up with socks and shirts etc all dotted round the room in my failed attempt to get them dry before I packed my suitcase.
Still can't decide if she thought she was doing me a 'favour' by saving me the RMB60 laundry fee or not?
At the time I was extremely 'annoyed' to sa the least, but now, looking back, it's actually quite funny. How to "get your own back" eh?
Still got her number. Might give her another go when I come back later this year. LOL.
That girls got some 'attitude'. But she's fun!
Take Care out there!
Thanks guys. I do agree with your comments. Perhaps I should have paid her at the end of the day. But that aside, it still does not excuse her
Behaviour when I was only 10 minutes late!
That aside, I did say that I would tell you part 2. Haha.
On the second day we were together, again I left her in my room when I went off to work. No problem.
Before I left, I put all my laundry in the laundry bag supplied by the hotel so they could wash my clothes. I assumed they had taken them to wash.
On the third day (when she behaved like a little schoolkid) , nothing was mentioned.
The 4th morning when I went off to work (again leaving her in bed. Although I had paid her by now so there was no need for her to have any further issues) she was bombarding me all day with text messages.
I sent her a text back and told her that perhaps it would be better if she didn't wait for me tonight and that she should go to work instead. I told her that after her behaviour the night before, I was not sure that I wanted to meet with her again.
Then I got the strangest message. She asked me what time I would arrive back at the hotel since she needed to bring me my clothes!
My first thoughts were. Oh SHIT! She has taken my clothes as a 'ransom' (2 days earlier) in case I didn't pay her?
I told her I would be late back to the hotel so she said she would drop them at reception.
When I arrived back at the hotel, I went straight to reception and sure enough there was the hotel laundry bag will all my clothes inside!
The only problem was. They were all WET!
She had taken them home, washed them all and then brought them back. Soaking wet!
I was due to fly home the next day so my room ended up with socks and shirts etc all dotted round the room in my failed attempt to get them dry before I packed my suitcase.
Still can't decide if she thought she was doing me a 'favour' by saving me the RMB60 laundry fee or not?
At the time I was extremely 'annoyed' to sa the least, but now, looking back, it's actually quite funny. How to "get your own back" eh?
Still got her number. Might give her another go when I come back later this year. LOL.
That girls got some 'attitude'. But she's fun!
Take Care out there!I would be quite suspicious where and how she washed them, hopefully not in the local sewer or from her commode. I would have just left them there and buy some new one. Women are quite vengeful, you just need to watch out. Daily payment is the correct way to go. These wg / KTV / bbs gals, or just female in general could be quite crazy
Hi there,
First time in here, hope somebody can help me.
I'm in chang'an right now and I'm searching for a sauna or like. I have seen that its possible to get nuru gel massage arround here, anybody knows any places who offers this, or anybody who can recommend other sauna's with nice girls arround this area in Dongguan. If not then maybe close to her?
Aloha
Thanks guys. I do agree with your comments. Perhaps I should have paid her at the end of the day. But that aside, it still does not excuse her
Behaviour when I was only 10 minutes late!
That aside, I did say that I would tell you part 2. Haha.
On the second day we were together, again I left her in my room when I went off to work. No problem.
Before I left, I put all my laundry in the laundry bag supplied by the hotel so they could wash my clothes. I assumed they had taken them to wash.
On the third day (when she behaved like a little schoolkid) , nothing was mentioned.
The 4th morning when I went off to work (again leaving her in bed. Although I had paid her by now so there was no need for her to have any further issues) she was bombarding me all day with text messages.
I sent her a text back and told her that perhaps it would be better if she didn't wait for me tonight and that she should go to work instead. I told her that after her behaviour the night before, I was not sure that I wanted to meet with her again.
Then I got the strangest message. She asked me what time I would arrive back at the hotel since she needed to bring me my clothes!
My first thoughts were. Oh SHIT! She has taken my clothes as a 'ransom' (2 days earlier) in case I didn't pay her?
I told her I would be late back to the hotel so she said she would drop them at reception.
When I arrived back at the hotel, I went straight to reception and sure enough there was the hotel laundry bag will all my clothes inside!
The only problem was. They were all WET!
She had taken them home, washed them all and then brought them back. Soaking wet!
I was due to fly home the next day so my room ended up with socks and shirts etc all dotted round the room in my failed attempt to get them dry before I packed my suitcase.
Still can't decide if she thought she was doing me a 'favour' by saving me the RMB60 laundry fee or not?
At the time I was extremely 'annoyed' to sa the least, but now, looking back, it's actually quite funny. How to "get your own back" eh?
Still got her number. Might give her another go when I come back later this year. LOL.
That girls got some 'attitude'. But she's fun!
Take Care out there!Brother, you are so lucky to have a girl like this! You spent 3 nights with her but she was willing to accept your payment for only 2 nights and yet on the forth day, she still wanted to continue with you! She even washed the clothes for you! Only setback was when you returned late on the 3rd night, she kept bugging you and irritated you. However, she still went back to the room with you eventhough you told her to go off. I think the girl could be quite young, maybe just 20 years? Brother, you must be also young and handsome, less than 40 years?
ZhenDajiba
05-01-12, 10:25
"Brother, you are so lucky to have a girl like this! You spent 3 nights with her but she was willing to accept your payment for only 2 nights and yet on the forth day, she still wanted to continue with you! She even washed the clothes for you! Only setback was when you returned late on the 3rd night, she kept bugging you and irritated you. However, she still went back to the room with you eventhough you told her to go off. I think the girl could be quite young, maybe just 20 years? Brother, you must be also young and handsome, less than 40 years?"
Haha. She said she was 27 and I am a little over 40. But still extremely handsome (LOL)
Not so sure about being 'lucky' though mate. Sometimes these girls are quite happy to go for a 2nd or 3rd night. After all, it guarantees that they will
Earn money. As opposed to going to 'work' and waiting to be picked out by some ugly fat dude. LOL.
If and when I get a nice looking one who gives good service, I often keep her for several nights. My 'record' up to now, is the same girl for 6 nights. But she started to get a bit complacent (I think) and maybe a little lazy on the service front after a few nights so I dumped her.
There's nothing wrong in 'taking sand to the beach' (as my friend likes to call it)
My fellow mongers!
How are things over there? I know it's only been a month since I came back but I'm already planning on my next trip. Time to reload the cash. This also gives me ample time to get rid of my fat that I packed on from the excessive drinking over there. However, I find that the girls over there are more attracted to guys with bellys than boys with six packs.
"Brother, you are so lucky to have a girl like this! You spent 3 nights with her but she was willing to accept your payment for only 2 nights and yet on the forth day, she still wanted to continue with you! She even washed the clothes for you! Only setback was when you returned late on the 3rd night, she kept bugging you and irritated you. However, she still went back to the room with you eventhough you told her to go off. I think the girl could be quite young, maybe just 20 years? Brother, you must be also young and handsome, less than 40 years?"
Haha. She said she was 27 and I am a little over 40. But still extremely handsome (LOL)
Not so sure about being 'lucky' though mate. Sometimes these girls are quite happy to go for a 2nd or 3rd night. After all, it guarantees that they will
Earn money. As opposed to going to 'work' and waiting to be picked out by some ugly fat dude. LOL.
If and when I get a nice looking one who gives good service, I often keep her for several nights. My 'record' up to now, is the same girl for 6 nights. But she started to get a bit complacent (I think) and maybe a little lazy on the service front after a few nights so I dumped her.
There's nothing wrong in 'taking sand to the beach' (as my friend likes to call it) Brother, I said you are lucky not because the girl went with you for 2nd & 3rd night but rather you managed to pay the girl for only the fare of two nights eventhough the girl stayed with you for 3 nights! I think you sure know that when the girl stayed with you for three nights, she needs to pay the mummy for 3 nights fee also while she only rec'd 2 nights from you; and yet she was willing to absort this additonal cost herself. In this case, don't you think you were rather lucky to have her not calculative but additionally washed your clothes even? Brother, what tricks you applied on her to make her like you so much? I am very eager to learn from you! I hope you don't mind sharing some tips with me, thank you.
On the issue of "bring ice to the Eskimos", I normally cannot have the same girl for 6 straight nights as I would feel bored with the same girl after 2 or 3 nights. Normally on the 3rd night, I would change to a new girl and probably come back to the same 1st night girl on the 4th or 5th night if the girl is good.
My fellow mongers!
How are things over there? I know it's only been a month since I came back but I'm already planning on my next trip. Time to reload the cash. This also gives me ample time to get rid of my fat that I packed on from the excessive drinking over there. However, I find that the girls over there are more attracted to guys with bellys than boys with six packs.Mate, it's been 2 weeks since I got back and I'm missing CP real bad! Am also planning my next trip (August) , feels like forever!
She washed your clothes? That's kinda sweet. LOL. And I can't imagine the hotel cleaning was 60 rmb for the bill.
The hotels in China almost charge USA prices for cleaning clothes. 20 rmb for socks?, pants are like 40 rmb. Anyone got a photo??
Way over priced, you can drop off next to Pozolim for a fraction of that. (incidentally you could have dried them there) Hell she can come over and clean my clothes. She probably acted out because she has been not paid before. Most of us wouldn't 'skip out on the bill'
But I have heard many stories. One friend of mine went on vacation with a guy, he was saying that he would give her 10000 for the week to come, she got.
There he took her I'd so she could not leave, and she wanted to stay 7 days then it was CNY so she wanted to go home. Well once there he said he had no.
One to stay with for new year so she should stay, he would give her 20k for another week. She wanted to go home, but he held her I'd hostage.
Made her stay 9 days, then gave her 10k............... but in HKD!! essentially giving himself a 20% discount.
She was pissed. The BBS girls that want money up front you know have been stiffed. I usually put in plain.
Sight if insistent but better to tell BBS mommie afterwards pay.
She got a little freaked. Maybe she thought you were rocking a sauna and were late.
Sounded like a cool chick. That liked you and buddy they are harder and harder to find in CP.
Most CP chicks would have used all your towels, flooded your bathroom, played on QQ all day on the room computer and
Then eaten everything in the minibar.!!
SE Asia Joe
05-03-12, 08:24
Thanks guys. I do agree with your comments. Perhaps I should have paid her at the end of the day. But that aside, it still does not excuse her
Behaviour when I was only 10 minutes late!
That girls got some 'attitude'. But she's fun!
/
Though we were now into the 3rd day, I had not yet paid her for the previous 2 nights (so I owed her RMB2000). But we had agreed I would pay her 3000 after 3 nights and she was happy with that arrangement.
Although I had made it crystal clear I would not be there till 9pm, she continued to bombard me with texts and calls. Up to the point that I was.
Getting annoyed.
When I arrived at the KTV at 9. 10pm, she was in tears and was crying quite un-controllably.
I was told by my friends there that she had been crying for a while and was worried I wasn't going to come there. She had made their night (so far) quite irritating.
A huge argument followed and I ended up throwing (literally) 2000rmb at her.
I told her that her behaviour was terrible and that she was like a small spoilt child!I've NOT commented prior as its really not any of my business. But have you considered if you're being just a bit uncharitable?
I mean, here she is a 27 YO (who in the scheme of things in CP, can easily be considered as being way over the hill).
She "trusted" you over 2 nights / RMB 2K and as it turns out, you DID literally screw her as you did NOT pay the previously agreed upon RMB 3K.
AND on top of that THROWING the RMB 2K at her?
Really?
Like throwing it at a beggar?
Time is money, especially in Chang Ping and whether you did it with her the third night or not (YOUR choice - Right?), you actually do owe her that RMB 1K you short-changed her.
And then this thing about your laundry.
IMHO here she is trying to be nice and loving by washing your laundry herself, and instead of being grateful / gracious, here you are, berating her some more for doing so.
Sorry guy. But I just couldn't hold my tongue any longer.
Not when I see this much air / attitude of self-superiority.
Yes, you ARE in a superior position vs. ANY WG's, especially since she is that advanced in age, but Christ, do you really have to throw it all up to her face.
SEAJ
I made my bi-annual visit to Changping (business, of course!) this week. I always stay at the Hui Hua – a nice centrally located hotel on the main intersection in Changping.
And, I generally use the hotel "spa" facilities. At times I'll head over to the area behind the Hui Mei, but other times I just like the safety and convenience of the Hui Hua sauna.
As has been mentioned, the setup has changed a bit. Previously you were lead to a room and then a dozen or two girls were paraded in for your selection.
Now they've gone upscale. The mommy takes you to a room that has a stage and runway, disco-lights on the ceiling, etc. You sit at tables with the mommy and then the girls are brought out – to music. First the 300 (rmb) girls, followed by the 400, the 500, and the 600s. One from each side of the stage steps up and then toward each other. Then they walk down the runway together for a close-up view.
I've tried the spendier girls in the past, but find I get better service from the lower priced girls. The higher priced girls have been around a while, so seem to be stuck in their routine and lack spontaneity. The expensive girls also seem to have an "attitude" and spend a lot of time looking at themselves in the mirror. The lower priced girls are newer and a little more enthusiastic (in my book).
I chose #131 – a 400rmb girl. She was smiling and animated on the stage, whereas the others did their parade with stony faces like "real" models on a runway.
It was a good choice. She spoke zero English, but as these things go, that wasn't a problem. She was enthusiastic and didn't try the whole cat-bath routine.
After the normal play, I attempted DATY. She initially tried to wiggle away, but I persisted, and she eventually got into it, spreading her legs widely. I took her to climax and she was all over the bed and moaning loudly. After that, she couldn't do enough for me.
Looks: 9.
BJ: 7.
Enthusiasm: 8.
Price: 400 (plus the room charge)
The mommy was quite upset with me that I didn't know the new routine. It seems that you are supposed to call her before coming to the sauna. She wants 10 minutes notice before you arrive. She was very insistent about this and kept repeating it. The price for the room is 288 if you just show up, and 218 if call 10 minutes in advance.She gets a bonus with a pre-booked room under her name, even though it is cheaper. The 10 minute wait time to to stop her from meeting you outside the establishment and call you a pre-book client. A monthly quota of pre-booked rooms for her is required to activate an extra bonus for her.
Hostesses at Tao Yuan KTV will be in swimsuit costume officially from 04/05/12 (Fri).
Yesterday was rehearsal and most hostesses are dressed in swimsuit costume.
This attire allows the patron to view the body shape better.
ZhenDajiba
05-04-12, 11:26
Guys.
Thanks for your feedback. Both good and not-so-good. Especially SE Asia Joe!
I take on board what you have all said and although I do feel a little bad for the way I treated her, she was out-of-order too!
I still have her number and I have contacted her by sms. I am back there in July and have suggested we meet.
She said that she will meet me if I promise to "treat her well"
I said I will treat her well providing she behaves well.
Looks like we both agreed, o I will meet up on my next trip and let you guys know how it goes.
At the end of the day, she is still a 'working girl'. But she's good fun and she seems to like me. Service is only a 6 out of 10 (no BJ) but. Hey. Who cares?
Have fun out there.
OH, BY the way. Can I ask all the bro's out there in CP if ANY of you guys have managed to find one who likes anal? Just Curious!
ZhenDajiba
05-04-12, 11:29
ISO 9000. Thanks bro!
Is this a permanent thing or just temporary?
I reckon it will be hard not to be hard in flower street. Haha!
The swimsuit costume attire for hostesses at Tao Yuan KTV will most likely be in effect for the summer period only.
SE Asia Joe
05-05-12, 08:09
Guys.
Thanks for your feedback. Both good and not-so-good. Especially SE Asia Joe!
I take on board what you have all said and although I do feel a little bad for the way I treated her, she was.Thanks for taking it in the same spirit of goodwill as it was written.
Just wanted to remind you. As what AsnDragon had previously written. That Chang Ping IS a heady experience for ANY monger.
Too easy for us to lose the good sense that we have elsewhere.
SEAN
ZhenDajiba
05-06-12, 12:54
I have a brilliant site that you can go on if you don't know any Chinese!
It is cheap, wonderful, and full of info.
How do I advertise it on here without getting into trouble?
SE Asia Joe
05-07-12, 04:07
I have a brilliant site that you can go on if you don't know any Chinese!
It is cheap, wonderful, and full of info.
How do I advertise it on here without getting into trouble?How about just giving hints?
I'd think that Jackson and others here know what's out there and can probably easily discern which one from your hint.
But yeah. You'll definitely get in trouble coming out with a full advertisement as rightly, Jackson would NOT take it too nicely that you'd be using his website to advertise the competition.
Just an idea.
SEAN
Guys.
Thanks for your feedback. Both good and not-so-good. Especially SE Asia Joe!
I take on board what you have all said and although I do feel a little bad for the way I treated her, she was out-of-order too!
I still have her number and I have contacted her by sms. I am back there in July and have suggested we meet.
She said that she will meet me if I promise to "treat her well"
I said I will treat her well providing she behaves well.
Looks like we both agreed, o I will meet up on my next trip and let you guys know how it goes.
At the end of the day, she is still a 'working girl'. But she's good fun and she seems to like me. Service is only a 6 out of 10 (no BJ) but. Hey. Who cares?
Have fun out there.
OH, BY the way. Can I ask all the bro's out there in CP if ANY of you guys have managed to find one who likes anal? Just Curious!You said the girl did not give you BJ service, what a miss! I normally do not go for repeat order if there is no BJ as I find BJ so enjoyable! As for anal, this is not my cup of tea & I never ask the girls in CP. However, one of my friend likes anal and he told me it is quite hard to get the girls in CP to agree to accept anal but he did have some sucess a few times and he enjoyed very much.
Have fun!
ZhenDajiba
05-07-12, 15:07
SE Asia Joe. I would dearly NOT like to 'offend' Jackson (or anyone else for that matter!
I am just trying to help out a few bro's that don't know any Chinese here!
The place that I am talking about is fantastic! I did about 6 months research before I joined it and I have been there for about 2 years now.
It is basically a web-site that you log in to (after you have paid around USD$100 for access)
You can take your time, go at your own pace and learn as little (or as much) as you want.
The BEST thing about it though, is that it is ALL 'conversational stuff'. Everyday language!
They don't bother with teaching you how to borrow a library book etc. It's more about how to order a coffee / beer. How to check in to a hotel,
Order a taxi, buy a meal, buy a CD, buy a train ticket etc etc etc. Just stuff that you NEED to know while you are IN China!
The problem that I have is the fact that I have now become an 'affiliate' to their study web-site.
This means that you have to go to MY web-site to order it and RECEIVE A DISCOUNT. And that is where I am a little hesitant to advertise it here.
Look, my web-site is not in competition with this one. Far from it. We simply help people source and buy products from China at a greatly reduced
Cost compared to what they would pay at home. Easy!
But because of what my web-site IS. (ie, a sourcing web-site). It is only natural that we would want to try to help people who are
WANTING to buy from China to learn a little Chinese?
Blunt truth? I don't care if the bro's on here use my services or not. I want to offer them the OPPORTUNITY to learn some Chinese at a discounted cost. Simple!
Why pay USD$99 when you can go to MY web-site, click on the link and pay $89?
Or am I wrong here?
Let me know guys, because as I said. I REALLY DO NOT want to 'tread on anyone's toes here'
Cheers.
Keep mongering.
Me.
Oh, by the way. Does anyone (who is NOT Chinese / Hong Kong ese) actually KNOW what Zhendajiba actually means?
SE Asia Joe
05-07-12, 17:58
SE Asia Joe. I would dearly NOT like to 'offend' Jackson (or anyone else for that matter!
I am just trying to help out a few bro's that don't know any Chinese here!
The place that I am talking about is fantastic! I did about 6 months research before I joined it and I have been there for about 2 years now.
It is basically a web-site that you log in to (after you have paid around USD$100 for access)
You can take your time, go at your own pace and learn as little (or as much) as you want.
The BEST thing about it though, is that it is ALL 'conversational stuff'. Everyday language!
They don't bother with teaching you how to borrow a library book etc. It's more about how to order a coffee / beer. How to check in to a hotel,
Order a taxi, buy a meal, buy a CD, buy a train ticket etc etc etc. Just stuff that you NEED to know while you are IN China!
The problem that I have is the fact that I have now become an 'affiliate' to their study web-site.
This means that you have to go to MY web-site to order it and RECEIVE A DISCOUNT. And that is where I am a little hesitant to advertise it here.
Look, my web-site is not in competition with this one. Far from it. We simply help people source and buy products from China at a greatly reduced
Cost compared to what they would pay at home. Easy!
But because of what my web-site IS. (ie, a sourcing web-site). It is only natural that we would want to try to help people who are
WANTING to buy from China to learn a little Chinese?
Blunt truth? I don't care if the bro's on here use my services or not. I want to offer them the OPPORTUNITY to learn some Chinese at a discounted cost. Simple!
Why pay USD$99 when you can go to MY web-site, click on the link and pay $89?
Or am I wrong here?
Let me know guys, because as I said. I REALLY DO NOT want to 'tread on anyone's toes here'
Cheers.
Keep mongering.
Me.
Oh, by the way. Does anyone (who is NOT Chinese / Hong Kong ese) actually KNOW what Zhendajiba actually means?OH, I thought a competing site for those who don't speak / read Chinese!
But you're talking about a language web site.
LOL. My bad!
Shouldn't be a problem for you to come up with a full advertisement if you post it up on the Classified Ad section. And perhaps best if you do NOT do any more "promotion" on your product on this or other China threads.
And BTW. Really THAT big?
SEAN
SE Asia Joe. I would dearly NOT like to 'offend' Jackson (or anyone else for that matter!
I am just trying to help out a few bro's that don't know any Chinese here!
The place that I am talking about is fantastic! I did about 6 months research before I joined it and I have been there for about 2 years now.
It is basically a web-site that you log in to (after you have paid around USD$100 for access)
You can take your time, go at your own pace and learn as little (or as much) as you want.
The BEST thing about it though, is that it is ALL 'conversational stuff'. Everyday language!
They don't bother with teaching you how to borrow a library book etc. It's more about how to order a coffee / beer. How to check in to a hotel,
Order a taxi, buy a meal, buy a CD, buy a train ticket etc etc etc. Just stuff that you NEED to know while you are IN China!
The problem that I have is the fact that I have now become an 'affiliate' to their study web-site.
This means that you have to go to MY web-site to order it and RECEIVE A DISCOUNT. And that is where I am a little hesitant to advertise it here.
Look, my web-site is not in competition with this one. Far from it. We simply help people source and buy products from China at a greatly reduced
Cost compared to what they would pay at home. Easy!
But because of what my web-site IS. (ie, a sourcing web-site). It is only natural that we would want to try to help people who are
WANTING to buy from China to learn a little Chinese?
Blunt truth? I don't care if the bro's on here use my services or not. I want to offer them the OPPORTUNITY to learn some Chinese at a discounted cost. Simple!
Why pay USD$99 when you can go to MY web-site, click on the link and pay $89?
Or am I wrong here?
Let me know guys, because as I said. I REALLY DO NOT want to 'tread on anyone's toes here'
Cheers.
Keep mongering.
Me.
Oh, by the way. Does anyone (who is NOT Chinese / Hong Kong ese) actually KNOW what Zhendajiba actually means?I agree with the others that you just post a link in the classified section. I for one know at least a few people that are very interested in learning Chinese.
Just Seven
05-08-12, 03:52
Why pay USD$99 when you can go to MY web-site, click on the link and pay $89?
Or am I wrong here?
Let me know guys, because as I said. I REALLY DO NOT want to 'tread on anyone's toes here'
Cheers.
Keep mongering.
Me.
Oh, by the way. Does anyone (who is NOT Chinese / Hong Kong ese) actually KNOW what Zhendajiba actually means?Does it mean: Real big dick?
As for your website.
Why pay 89$ or 99$ for access to a website when you can download it for free?
Not sure on the filesharing stance of Jackson. But if anyone is interested, there is a program called ChinesePod (they deliver podcasts of daily type conversations. They include transcripts in both simplified and traditional characters. Offer downloads in PDF MP3 and other formats. Pretty good. Not sure on the price as I would never pay for something like that.
However, go to google. Ca (if you are in the mainland, your search gets redirected to google. Com. Hk which will have a different order of results)
Type in the following:
Chinesepod torrent.
First link should be everything you could hope to learn in Chinese.
After you acquire said torrent. Go to a print shop and get the complete pdf printed and bound. This will cost you 50rmb in China.
Take your new print bound book, and mp3s and go wild!
For bonus points. Find a pretty Chinese girl and have HER go over the Chinese with you and you can teach her the english! Win win
Hostesses at Tao Yuan KTV will be in swimsuit costume officially from 04/05/12 (Fri).
Yesterday was rehearsal and most hostesses are dressed in swimsuit costume.
This attire allows the patron to view the body shape better. .That is brilliant, soon will they move to lingerie? That would be very very nice. It is only a small leap after that.
Tao Yuan is where though? Is that Penninsula?
NicFrenchy
05-08-12, 04:27
For bonus points. Find a pretty Chinese girl and have HER go over the Chinese with you and you can teach her the english! Win winThats more like it
I agree with the others that you just post a link in the classified section. I for one know at least a few people that are very interested in learning Chinese.Just a matter of conversation, If you want a really good teacher for Chinese I use a service in Shenzhen that compared to some.
Other places is cheap (others think expensive). It starts at $9 / hour for one-on-one with college educated teachers and
Decreases with more you buy. PM me for information. I have no affiliation with them. Other than people saying my Chinese.
Is pretty good. They have alot of PDF books they will give you for free. When you use them.
They also have 'classes' with others that are 1/2 (you can split fee).
Prices are all over the place. $50 / hour, $35 / hour in Beijing from foreign companies that setup there and online, Shanghai.
$20-30 online. This place is cheaper and better.
- yes I know what zhendajiba means. Quite silly.
Chinesepod is interesting but I don't think it is as good as other services (there is an MP3 Chinese lesson company in Taiwan that is
Particularly good). You buy 60 mp3 per lesson ($20?) but they are good and progressive referencing previous lessons as they go up in
Number. Chinesepod can sometimes be all over the place in terms of not being progressive. If you use intermediate then they don't build.
On previous lessons, but try to keep it at that level which means some lessons are useless and some are too complex with too many new words.
Also chinesepod has no grammar and that hurts in the long run.
Does it mean: Real big dick?
As for your website.
Why pay 89$ or 99$ for access to a website when you can download it for free?
Not sure on the filesharing stance of Jackson. But if anyone is interested, there is a program called ChinesePod (they deliver podcasts of daily type conversations. They include transcripts in both simplified and traditional characters. Offer downloads in PDF MP3 and other formats. Pretty good. Not sure on the price as I would never pay for something like that.
However, go to google. Ca (if you are in the mainland, your search gets redirected to google. Com. Hk which will have a different order of results)
Type in the following:
Chinesepod torrent.
First link should be everything you could hope to learn in Chinese.
After you acquire said torrent. Go to a print shop and get the complete pdf printed and bound. This will cost you 50rmb in China.
Take your new print bound book, and mp3s and go wild!
For bonus points. Find a pretty Chinese girl and have HER go over the Chinese with you and you can teach her the english! Win win
A Brazilian who thwarted a thief's attempt to steal got beaten badly by the thief and two gang members as 30 onlookers stood by in Dongguan a few days ago.
I don't know the particulars because I cannot read Chinese, but a reminder that CP can be a rather rough place.
http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2012-05-07/030624376141.shtml
Mit Fo Lfe
05-08-12, 06:04
That is brilliant, soon will they move to lingerie? That would be very very nice. It is only a small leap after that.
Tao Yuan is where though? Is that Penninsula?Tao Yuan is across the way from mayflower which is aka Jia Yi. It used to be the overflow KTV for mayflower on weekends back in the day. Will be in town in a week and half. See you then!
Hi friends,
Does anybody know where is the Baibuckingham Sauna described in the below thred
I was looking for it but without any success.
In addition, do you know any good places in Dongcheng area as to CP is far away (about 40 km) and I don't have always enough time to go there?
I tried Dongcheng International Hotel and sauna at New Century Riverside Hotel but it's not woth to mention.
Hi guys,
First time poster. Been reading through the pages, and have been seeing mostly reports about ChanPing, and not so many about Dongguan City (Dongcheng) , so I figured I'd put in my two cents.
A buddy of mine was over here from Amsterdam, so we decided to sample a few different KTVs and saunas.
The saunas.
First up, Nile Hotel in Wanjiang, near the Metro.
New hotel, sauna rooms are very nice. Have been there 3 times in the the past month, and all 3 times was extremely satisfied. Normal room rates are 265, but if you call Owen, the manager (he does speak engrish) you can get a room for 188. The girls were in the 600 to 1000 RMB range (I get 100 off cause I'm an ABC. Hahah) but if you call in advance, you get 50RMB off. I know, it's only 50 RMB, but put it this way, buy 20 get one free. A nice plus, if you're there at a reasonable hour, the sauna actually had a little dining area where they serve you free food after your workout, fried rice, fried noodles, fried eggs, etc.
When my buddy and I were in the taxi on the way to the nile, our cab driver asked us if we were going to play, we said yes, and he said he knew of a better place. He told us he gets a commission for bringing people, so was pretty straight forward about it. We told him we'd go with him the next night.
Sauna 2: Xihu Club (Nancheng area)
This was an old school sauna. Not as new and fresh as the nile, but this place had character. Their rooms were 118 a night (if called in advance) and were pretty cool. Two floors, with an atrium (enclosed, but still gave you the feeling of being outside. Girls were 700, 800, 900 and 1000. Not as good looking as the Nile, but we were there pretty late, so selection may not have been as good. The upstairs had a 4 poster bed, and while the mami said the girls wouldn't allow you to tie them up, my girl said if I went back and picked her, she'd let me do it.
Sauna 3: Baibuckingham Sauna (Dongcheng, near bar street)
This place was a cross between the Nile and Xihu in terms of decor, but they did not charge a room fee. The girls were 600-700-800-900 depending. Best part was after the shower and first pop, my girl disappeared into the bathroom, and came back wearing pantyhose. She then proceeded to tell me to rip a hole in them and commence the 2nd part of the workout. It was awesome!
Ok, I need to get back to work now, but will post a report on the 3 KTV's we hit up as well.
SE Asia Joe
05-09-12, 06:45
Hi friends,
Does anybody know where is the Baibuckingham Sauna described in the below thred
I was looking for it but without any success.
In addition, do you know any good places in Dongcheng area as to CP is far away (about 40 km) and I don't have always enough time to go there?
I tried Dongcheng International Hotel and sauna at New Century Riverside Hotel but it's not woth to mention.Why not just PM the OP?
SEAJ
You lucky bastard! I am under lock and key. Sigh. Got to find a new excuse.
Tao Yuan is across the way from mayflower which is aka Jia Yi. It used to be the overflow KTV for mayflower on weekends back in the day. Will be in town in a week and half. See you then!
I'll be there too!
LAMonkey
[QUOTE=Will be in town in a week and half. See you then![/QUOTE]
Double freakin lucky bastards! Help me out guys. What can I do?
I'll be there too!
LAMonkey
SE Asia Joe
05-10-12, 18:41
Double freakin lucky bastards! Help me out guys. What can I do?Ole Lady Thumb and her 4 daughters?
Either that or come up with an excuse. Say to follow up on the Canton Trade fair connections?
SEAJ
Jetsetter might have some good ideas.
Double freakin lucky bastards! Help me out guys. What can I do?
Jettsetter
05-12-12, 09:57
Jetsetter might have some good ideas.It's tough brother,
We all got to find our own passes. But I'm always open to helping you come up with something, although everyone knows my credibility with the significant others are kinda shot! Haha.
-Jett.
Things are still good. Gets a little stale and expensive doing the same thing, so I just wait until you guys come to go out. Otherwise, I'm just chilling, getting my occasional fun.
See you guys soon.
Swimsuit costume worn by Tao Yuan KTV hostesses officially ended on 12/05/12 (Sat).
LukeSkywalker
05-14-12, 00:57
It's impossible to tell if the girls have decent bodies under their bulky dresses. They could have seriously misfigured bodies under their dresses and you would never find out until you spend all your money drinking with them, then take them back to the hotel. By then it would be too late.
CP KTV bosses should get it through their thick skulls that bikinis are the only way to deal honestly with the clients.
Swimsuit costume worn by Tao Yuan KTV hostesses officially ended on 12/05/12 (Sat).
Member #1344
05-14-12, 17:18
After seeing the previous reports on the remodeling at the Miraton's Sauna, I decided to check it out for myself tonight. To me, it feels really tacky and over the top and I think the decor will age much more quickly than a normal sauna. The construction in areas also seemed to be pretty shabby once I got over the decor. Another point that was disappointing was that their training of new girls seems to be nonexistent. I was told that they mainly watched videos instead of having a live instructor with demos. And even though the attitude of the girls were good, their skills and coordination were lacking.
On the positive side, the pricing was very good. So good that I tried two girls, something that I've tried in the past but don't end up enjoying as much as the thought of having two girls. I selected one 600 RMB (prices range from 500-800 including the room) girl #332, and then added a 300 RMB girl, #218, once I was in the room.
#332 is from Guangdong, a rarity among the sauna girls. She was very talkative, but was too bossy for my taste and didn't have the skills to back it up. I asked her to leave after the first session and the shower since she was too overbearing and was distracting me from #218.
#218 is from Guangxi (I could be mistaken). At a hair over 151 cm and 40 kg, she's definitely a great spinner with a 8/10 for looks and a solid perky B- cup which was nice on such a small frame. She only started working this week so her mouth quickly tired during the BBBJ. But she did try to please and was fun to talk to. I would repeat with her in a few weeks, once she gets more experience.
In short, for a cheaper Sauna experience, Miraton is a good place to try. If you like spinners, give #218 a shot.
Dear fellow Mongers,
While I usually lurk on these boards, I figured it's time to give back to the community.
Recently spent the night in Dongguan / Chanping to check out the legendary scene which has been discussed many times on this board.
Take note, if you don't speak Chinese, it's not a good idea to try going there solo. Luckily there's Dave (a. K. A. BSD a. K. A. Big Swinging Dave). He can help you out big time. All around nice guy and the perfect choice when you want to explore the full scope of what Dongguan has to offer. He also organized parties which are way (!) more fun than tramping around solo. You can find his contact info in the China Classifieds section.
So here it goes.
My first night tehre, I went to the "lounge" area of one of the larger KTVs. Basically this is like a normal nightclub and Mamasans will come by the table to push girls on you. Here I picked a chick with nice boobs and I couldn't really tell her body under the dress (which I regretted later). It's basically too loud to really talk and do anything, so after a few beers I ask the girl if she wants to take off and she says yes. By this time, she had hit the beer way to hard and was falling asleep. She only shaped up after a manager had given her a good talking to. Long story short. Body was a 4, face was a 5, performance was a 4, so I sent her packing after ST. Not a great evening overall.
Secong night I went to the Yi Hua KTV around 5. 45 pm to be there in time for the "flower street". Contrary to what you may think it's not a street but basically a huge lineup of girls. I mean literally hundreds. Their dress marks the "level". From "Model" in the pink dresses to "Junior Model" to "Trainee" (Don't quote me on the levels though). The models are all tall girls that are for the most part stunning. Amazing to see a whole bunch of 8s. 9s and 10s in a row (this is what heaven is described as in many of the world's larger religions, though I doubt these girls are virgins.
The Mongers (mostly Chinese, but also including yours truly) walk up and down the line and pick a girl which they then take to their assigned room. Bit of a feeding frenzy vive as 100 guys try to get their girl of choice. Here I made the typical newbie mistake of taking a girl from the first lineup (models). As it works, there's lineups later on with the other girls as well. Don't worry. There's ALWAYS enough (indeed more than enough) girls there.
Then off to the room where BSD hat arranged a big group of guys. Really fun crowd I must say. US, Canada, Singapore, Thailand etc etc etc. Some SERIOUS partying ensued with Vodka flowing freely. After a while Mamasans try to get you to pick additional girls to sit with you (and of course this will always cost you the sitting fee).
In a word, this thing was a BLAST. Group of good guys sitting around drinking, chatting, listening to music and each of them with 1 or 2 little hotties on his arm.
My girl was one of the "Models" and drop dead gorgeous. 1.70cm, B Cup, Slim. Unreal. She was nice with a hot body, great face and not a word of the english Language. But I enjoyed hanging out with her. Enjoyed hanging out with BSD and the Group as well.
Long story short. She came back to my room and we had a good time, but nothing really great. It was ok but a pretty standard program.
Lessons learned:
1: It may not be best to go for the hottest girls since they are less motivated to generate "return business".
2: Don't rush to pick a girl in the flower street. There's plenty and alway more are brougth out later on.
3: Make sure you get a room. A bunch of the KTVs in CP have "lounges" (large central areas). Not worth it!
4: Call BSD!
Cheers!
Googol
Dear fellow Mongers,
While I usually lurk on these boards, I figured it's time to give back to the community.
Recently spent the night in Dongguan / Chanping to check out the legendary scene which has been discussed many times on this board.
Take note, if you don't speak Chinese, it's not a good idea to try going there solo. Luckily there's Dave (a. K. A. BSD a. K. A. Big Swinging Dave). He can help you out big time. All around nice guy and the perfect choice when you want to explore...Hi guys,
Does anyone have experience with the sauna in Gladden Hotel and Royal Garden Hotel?
Will be there next week.
Thanks!
Mike
Sardaukar1
05-19-12, 23:48
In addition, do you know any good places in Dongcheng area as to CP is far away (about 40 km) and I don't have always enough time to go there?
I tried Dongcheng International Hotel and sauna at New Century Riverside Hotel but it's not woth to mention.Dongcheng is the city core and hence the authorities keep a stricter watch over the yellow business. Just take a cab to CP, cost only around 100-120rmb one-way. 40 minutes. Beats having to settle with much lesser quality and overall waste of time / money in Dongcheng.
What's the mot expensive place for sex spa here?
-Jett.
Things are still good. Gets a little stale and expensive doing the same thing, so I just wait until you guys come to go out. Otherwise, I'm just chilling, getting my occasional fun.
See you guys soon.I so miss you guys.
ZhenDajiba
05-20-12, 12:48
We all have different 'tastes' when it comes to girls, but I thought I would share this story with you because I thought it was really funny.
As a famous British comedian always says. "If all brides are beautiful, where do ugly wives come from?"
A good mate of mine (who normally looks after me when I am in CP) always INSISTS that we go to the KTV bars by 6pm in order to get the 'best pick of the girls'. His attitude is quite simple. "If you don't get there by 6pm you will end up with a 'pork-chop' " (as he likes to call them!)
For those of you with CP experience. You will know that normally the first girls in 'Flower street' are the 'models'. Let's call it the 'beautiful section'
Well let me tell you that if they had an 'ugly section' at the back of the KTV, I reckon my mate would head straight there every time!
We go to a KTV at 6pm and make our choices. My mates girl scored the following (in MY opinion). Face = 1, boobs = 0, body = 3. Quite frankly, I
Was stunned that he chose her!
By around 10pm that night, she had drunk too much and fell asleep in the KTV room so my mate called the mammasan and asked for more girls. She
Brought in 4 girls. And ALL of them were a lot prettier than the 'sleeping beauty'. So my mate chose one (and took her to his room when we had
Finished drinking. About midnight)
In MY opinion. Face 7, boobs 8 and body 9!. Quite a contrast compared to 'sleeping beauty'!
The following night we went to another KTV and my mate refused to choose a girl. I asked him why and he said that he had re-booked the one from
Last night.
Thinking (as you do) that he had re-booked the one he took back to his room, I never said anything more. We went to our KTV room and after 10
Minutes or so. In walked 'sleeping beauty'!
You couldn't make it up!
Have fun
SE Asia Joe
05-20-12, 14:37
I so miss you guys.He Hath Risen!
So, BT, must be just about that time of the year when you're going to be gracing us with your presence in CP again - right?!
SEAN
Pheasantplucker
05-20-12, 14:57
Hi guys,
Does anyone have experience with the sauna in Gladden Hotel and Royal Garden Hotel?
Will be there next week.
Thanks!
MikeHi Mikky,
I was there a couple of years ago and had a great time after choosing between a "normal" girl and a "model". I went for the model (was only a few coins more) and she gave me the whole works but not really a GFE. Maybe one of the slightly less attractive ones (but still 7's at least) would have filled that bill better.
After she completely washed me in the shower and gave a long BBBJ, I moved to DATY followed by the fire / ice treatment which I really enjoyed.
Can't recall how much it all cost but it won't break the bank.
Have fun!
PP
It's impossible to tell if the girls have decent bodies under their bulky dresses. They could have seriously misfigured bodies under their dresses and you would never find out until you spend all your money drinking with them, then take them back to the hotel. By then it would be too late.
CP KTV bosses should get it through their thick skulls that bikinis are the only way to deal honestly with the clients.Once you sit the girls, I like to explore the contours under the gowns. You can always screen out a body with too much booty. I was in my favorite KTV a year ago and explored (fiv) a brand new girl in front if the other girls in order to be certain. Actually didn't pick her because of the fuck machine on my other hand
Lessons learned:
1: It may not be best to go for the hottest girls since they are less motivated to generate "return business".
2: Don't rush to pick a girl in the flower street. There's plenty and alway more are brougth out later on.
3: Make sure you get a room. A bunch of the KTVs in CP have "lounges" (large central areas). Not worth it!
4: Call BSD!Good advices.
But#2, I'd have to say PICK that girl that strikes your eyes IMMEDIATELY! I dunno how many times I passed a gal I really want to have for the night and ended up with a second or GASP. 3rd choice for the evening! Plenty in the sea (or parade) , but. SNAG UP the one your first instinct notices!
Party Hearty!
SE Asia Joe
05-21-12, 04:06
Just sitting around after dinner / Footsy at the Legend and we were lamenting about how things have gotten so expensive in Chang Ping.
And a local friend chimed in that we could go to the King Long KTV and get a dozen Budweisers and the fruit platter start-up set for RMB 180 at the main lounge. Yeah, a lot of these KTV"s still do offer "deals" for sitting at their main lounge.
With nothing better to do at 9. 30 PM (way too late to get a KTV room) we decided that this was probably ideal for the 4 of us light drinkers and so we were there ten-nish and saw a few stragglers (mostly UGLIES, and they've got the nerve to be pricing themselves 3-6-9 / only a few 2-5-8!) as well as a few pretty good looking mommies running around, stopping by to chat and party with us. And then the manager all of a sudden appeared and started apologizing that there was NO show for Sunday night? HUH?
Anyway, from what we gathered, they have some kind of semi strip-show on Fridays and Saturdays only and that he felt badly that we're there for the show which will not go on last night! Of course we played along and PRESTO, he sent over another dozen beer and platters of the usual KTV snacks as a way to apologize!
So we ended up only paying RMB 180 for 2 dozen beers, snacks and all sorts of mommies literally molesting us as they were getting drunk on our beer! And the best thing is that these mommies' uniform consists of a pretty revealing top matched up with micro-mini skirts not over 5 inches long, so there was a lot of bare skin! And one of my friends even actually accompanied one of the mommies back to her place. Don't ask me if he managed to get it on or other details as we just dropped the 2 off at the Mommies place and left!
But of course I went back home a bit blue-balled. But oh well. No biggie!
SEAN. Sometimes being blue balled is good. Makes one more appreciative when relief comes along!
EastCoast11
05-21-12, 04:51
Joe,
I've been to CP a few times and mostly solo. I've never heard of King Long and sounds very reasonable. Seems like a good deal and would like to check it out on my next trip, can you advise the location.
Just sitting around after dinner / Footsy at the Legend and we were lamenting about how things have gotten so expensive in Chang Ping.
And a local friend chimed in that we could go to the King Long KTV and get a dozen Budweisers and the fruit platter start-up set for RMB 180 at the main lounge. Yeah, a lot of these KTV"s still do offer "deals" for sitting at their main lounge.
With nothing better to do at 9. 30 PM (way too late to get a KTV room) we decided that this was probably ideal for the 4 of us light drinkers and so we were there ten-nish and saw a few stragglers (mostly UGLIES, and they've got the nerve to be pricing themselves 3-6-9 / only a few 2-5-8!) as well as a few pretty good looking mommies running around, stopping by to chat and party with us. And then the manager all of a sudden appeared and started apologizing that there was NO show for Sunday night? HUH?
Anyway, from what we gathered, they have some kind of semi strip-show on Fridays and Saturdays only and that he felt badly that we're there for the show which will not go on last night! Of course we played along and PRESTO, he sent over another dozen beer and platters of the usual KTV snacks as a way to apologize!
So we ended up only paying RMB 180 for 2 dozen beers, snacks and all sorts of mommies literally molesting us as they were getting drunk on our beer! And the best thing is that these mommies' uniform consists of a pretty revealing top matched up with micro-mini skirts not over 5 inches long, so there was a lot of bare skin! And one of my friends even actually accompanied one of the mommies back to her place. Don't ask me if he managed to get it on or other details as we just dropped the 2 off at the Mommies place and left!
But of course I went back home a bit blue-balled. But oh well. No biggie!
SEAN. Sometimes being blue balled is good. Makes one more appreciative when relief comes along!
I so miss you guys.WOW the "submarine" BT has surfaced! I thought you had been "lost at sea". Sent out all kinds of search "drones" but no sightings! Welcome back!
The biggest ripoff in my opinion is 250 for Swan Lake BBS. Other places are still 150, but the SW mommies have conspired to price-fix the area. You are much better off going to a sauna on a quiet day than wasting 250 on a subpar girl. 150 is great. 250 is ridiculous.
The death spiral has arrived, we'll soon be traveling deeper West for our fun.WTfreak? 250 rmb? I leave you kids there for 5 months and the price for BBS goes up 50 rmb? What has Uncle Joe taught you? What would BT do? Plus cabbie fare and it's close to 270 and you know we ain't got no change! So it's like 'give me 300 rmb because I'm cute and I want to go back to the bbs in an a/c'd cab'? I blame the dam tour groups who go to BBS in 10's at a time!
SE Asia Joe
05-22-12, 04:55
Plus cabbie fare and it's close to 270 and you know we ain't got no change! .
I blame the dam tour groups who go to BBS in 10's at a time!Good luck with getting ANY cab for under RMB 15 these days!
And the BBS tour groups?
You KNOW that its your countrymen that's fond of such.
So stop encouraging them / stop posting on your own home forums and get back on here pronto.
And as I remarked previously, now that you've re-surfaced, it can only mean one thing; that your return to CP is nigh.
Right?
SEAN
SE Asia Joe
05-22-12, 05:00
Joe,
I've been to CP a few times and mostly solo. I've never heard of King Long and sounds very reasonable. Seems like a good deal and would like to check it out on my next trip, can you advise the location.King Long hotel is next to the Famous Roast Chicken place (forgot the name. Anybody else can provide this?) close by Tesco.
If you're coming from Starbucks / Walter hotel, turn left on the road just before Tesco / about 3 main roads down from the Walter.
And BTW, its not just reasonable, it actually is downright cheap for CP!!
LOL
SEAN
Robertsui321
05-22-12, 07:00
Hui4 Long2 Ju1 (&20250; &40857; &23621.
King Long hotel is next to the Famous Roast Chicken place (forgot the name. Anybody else can provide this?) close by Tesco.
If you're coming from Starbucks / Walter hotel, turn left on the road just before Tesco / about 3 main roads down from the Walter.
And BTW, its not just reasonable, it actually is downright cheap for CP!
LOL.
SEAN
SE Asia Joe
05-22-12, 08:18
Must be losing my touch or?
A sort of lazy evening last Saturday in CP.
Early dinner as is usual in China, then one of the friends, who had to head back to Hong Kong that night, decided that he needed a pop before leaving and convinced all of us to accompany him to the BBS. And whilst I at first didn't have any intentions to pick one myself, confronted with about 25 gals in that BBS behind the Hui Mei, I started to change my mind, especially when the Mommy pulled out the HUGE and really PINK Nippled boobs of the gal that I was eye-ing. SOLD and I was out the door with an 18 YO who's just gotten into town a week ago from Hunan. But can you believe this? The guy who started this all chickened out and made excuses that he wouldn't be able to catch Lowu border before closing if he popped a gal!
And BTW, as an aside, that old mommy is still trying to pull the same 100 to me 100 to the gal nonsense that she says each and every time I get one of her gals, and this time I didn't even bother to reply and just handed her 50! So guys, keep that pricing at the Hui Mei alley and also try your best to keep it at 100+100 at the Swan Lake area, although admittedly, it IS getting harder and harder to do so over there, where they too many times stand firm at 100+150. Oh Well!
Anyway, took her back and YUP, pretty stupendous boobs except that she had a bit of Baby Fat (Wellll. SEAN, what did you expect. After all, she IS practically a baby!) and then I continued with my picture taking which I had started in the elevator going up and DAMN! She wouldn't let me. Tried all my tricks and she just wouldn't budge! Oh well, rather than spoil the mood, I just put my camera away. And whilst it wasn't the greatest screw in my life, at least she did everything that I told her to do / what my heart desires! So I guess all's not lost!
And I'm now typing away, wondering if I'm really losing my touch with pictures!
Oh well, like I said it wasn't a truly memorable screw, so what if I don't have pixs of this rather forgettable screw.
Perhaps its my still using an actual camera I / o a phone camera that's doing it.
I think actual camera usage's probably another one of those things that's gone with the dinosaurs since the I-phone!
And it must be because its Saturday. Yeah, that's what it is!
LOL!
SEAN, copping out! @#^!*&
He Hath Risen!
So, BT, must be just about that time of the year when you're going to be gracing us with your presence in CP again. Right?
SEANWhat happened to BruceTea man?
Bruce- You've been MIA for way too long here! I think you guys should all start rolling out the red carpet for BT.
AsnDragon
BruceTea,
It was 250 RMB last time you were here right? Or HAS IT BEEN that long? Well Swan Lake BBS girls are prettier than Hui Mei BBS girls (except that one time I got a Hui Hua Model when Bruce and I was touring around)
You will realize that all prices have gone up recently. KTV sitting fees, BBS rates, Foot massage has gone up 10 RMB in some places, and Cabbies are asking for 15 RMB right off the bat! I'm taking those damn bicycles these days now for crying out loud! Even hotel fees have gone up! Swan lake Hotel has gone up 30 RMB recently as well.
Inflation, inflation! It's everywhere and driving up girl's expectations as well.
AsnDragon.
WTfreak? 250 rmb? I leave you kids there for 5 months and the price for BBS goes up 50 rmb? What has Uncle Joe taught you? What would BT do? Plus cabbie fare and it's close to 270 and you know we ain't got no change! So it's like 'give me 300 rmb because I'm cute and I want to go back to the bbs in an a/c'd cab'? I blame the dam tour groups who go to BBS in 10's at a time!
EastCoast,
I think in mandarin it is:
Jin Lang Jiu Dian=&37329; &37070; &37202; &24215;
But then again I could be wrong! Who the heck can understand SEAN these days! He's out there sun-tanning, showing off his six packs, on top of the Hui Hua pool during the day with 4-5 girls all in bathing suits running around and playing by the pool! I think the sun has fried his brain recently. Who knows?
Joe,
I've been to CP a few times and mostly solo. I've never heard of King Long and sounds very reasonable. Seems like a good deal and would like to check it out on my next trip, can you advise the location.
You will realize that all prices have gone up recently. KTV sitting fees, BBS rates, Foot massage has gone up 10 RMB in some places, and Cabbies are asking for 15 RMB right off the bat! I'm taking those damn bicycles these days now for crying out loud! Even hotel fees have gone up! Swan lake Hotel has gone up 30 RMB recently as well.
Inflation, inflation! It's everywhere and driving up girl's expectations as well.I'm 100% sure when I was there last the price for BBS was 200 rmb. Behind the HH, the BBS had a slightly lower rate due to the friend I had with me, but it was very rare.
I read up to 10 pages back on this thread to find out the "new" prices. I really couldn't find the inflated prices, other than SEAN mentioning that one couldn't find a cab that didn't demand 15 rmb off the bat. I saw a few model prices but I never got a model in my life anyhow so it won't affect me. And I did read your post on inflation (which was a very good observation, BTW). I'm trying to get a feel of what's been going on and trying to fit all the missing pieces together before my little' trip over there. And now that BBS costs 250 rmb. I know when I was there. 2/5/8 was already getting challenged by the hybrid 3/6/9. I was told the upgrade was up to the mommy and not really based on looks or services.
What the hell's been going on since Jan? Where's the pussy at?
I miss my homies.
Bruce,
Alright, so the prices are going up everywhere, to the point where I can't even keep track anymore.
Mayflower: I think they have the following pricing: 2-6-9, 3-7-10, forget about the model group because none of them are brucetea girls anyhow.
Versaille: they still have 2-6-9, if they strip it's 4-6-9, two hundred more for sitting fee. And they only do it like after 10:30 pm.
Fuhao is similar: adding an extra 100 on top of ST and LT.
Eurasia and Yihao: are all the same, adding an extra 100 on the girls ST and LT. In addition, eurasia's Blue dress girls are like 400 just to sit them.
So CP's become a place where sitting more than one chick is not really all that worth it anymore. It really does add up and hurt the wallet after a while.
Taxis you know has gone up in price and so have hotels.
Girl's services have gone down by quite a lot! All these post 90's generation girls are becoming more lazy, more greedy and less service oriented. But then again, you are a pro after all. So I'm sure you will be able to tame the girls inside the KTV rooms.
Hui Mei Alley is still 150 RMB but you need to fight them hard to get that price. Quality of girls are not as good as you remember and the rooms always have mold spores growing on the walls and smells very bad. I seriously think it's an occupational hazard for the girls who stay in those rooms for hours a day. No wonder all the girls get sick all the time.
No more catacombs, but that happened two years ago, which I didn't even know until SEAN told me.
Sauna rates are the same at MeiBao, Virgin has the model category which is more expensive and I never choose that anyhow. Hui Hua is going crazy with their prices but they have a viewing room that has a stripper's pole, so does Jin Lang Hotel Sauna since they are both managed by the same owner. Yihao and Eurasia is trying to go crazy with their prices too charging upwards to 1000 RMB even though their girls at that category is really not pretty at all.
So just be prepared to bring along more money with you. In addition, if you find a gem and really like her, then keep her longer for a cheaper price. You are the famous or shall we say infamous Brucetea after all right?
AsnDragon.
I'm 100% sure when I was there last the price for BBS was 200 rmb. Behind the HH, the BBS had a slightly lower rate due to the friend I had with me, but it was very rare.
I read up to 10 pages back on this thread to find out the "new" prices. I really couldn't find the inflated prices, other than SEAN mentioning that one couldn't find a cab that didn't demand 15 rmb off the bat. I saw a few model prices but I never got a model in my life anyhow so it won't affect me. And I did read your post on inflation (which was a very good observation, BTW). I'm trying to get a feel of what's been going on and trying to fit all the missing pieces together before my little' trip over there. And now that BBS costs 250 rmb. I know when I was there. 2/5/8 was already getting challenged by the hybrid 3/6/9. I was told the upgrade was up to the mommy and not really based on looks or services.
What the hell's been going on since Jan? Where's the pussy at?
I miss my homies.
Fast Eddie 48
05-23-12, 06:54
I'm 100% sure when I was there last the price for BBS was 200 rmb. Behind the HH, the BBS had a slightly lower rate due to the friend I had with me, but it was very rare.
I read up to 10 pages back on this thread to find out the "new" prices. I really couldn't find the inflated prices, other than SEAN mentioning that one couldn't find a cab that didn't demand 15 rmb off the bat. I saw a few model prices but I never got a model in my life anyhow so it won't affect me. And I did read your post on inflation (which was a very good observation, BTW). I'm trying to get a feel of what's been going on and trying to fit all the missing pieces together before my little' trip over there. And now that BBS costs 250 rmb. I know when I was there. 2/5/8 was already getting challenged by the hybrid 3/6/9. I was told the upgrade was up to the mommy and not really based on looks or services.
What the hell's been going on since Jan? Where's the pussy at?
I miss my homies.To Bruce,
I was at CP 2 week ago with Uncle Joe pick a girl from bbs behind Jia mei hotel sweet young thing new to town lousy service only paid 150 rmb ST, I did check out the bbs at swan lake only one bbs with more than 10 girl quality sucks, some mamasan know me from the old days offer me discount to 200 ST and 600 LT pass didn't see anything I want, I am in PI now spend last week here in Subic bay and AC quality girl here for 30. 40 USD all night no attuide all GFE.
Fast Eddie 48
California8
05-27-12, 06:45
This report is from a few weeks ago. Arrived in town a little before noon with my buddy who has never been to CP. Dave booked us at Clipper. We soon headed over to Pozolim for footie. Pleasant surprise, the food we ordered, clay pot rice was free.
Dave has a mixed party planned at Fuhao, turns out a few mongers and many non monger friends of his for a birthday celebration. Dave will be late so he texts us the numbers to remind us which gals cost how much; the non models are 2. 6.9 and 3. 6.9. Fortunately, there was a experienced CP visitor of many years who was able to give advice to my buddy about CP. We each picked two but he sent one of his away quickly as other won him over right away. In my couple of trips to CP, tonight one of the tougher picks between two I have had to make. They both vied for my attention; one (SS) had the cuteness and body type I like and even a nice rack for a slender body. The other (JJ) asserted herself aggressively, often jumping into my lap so we were face to face and attacking me with DFK. Both were 19 from Guizhou but did not know each other. To no one's surprise in the room, I took JJ back.
JJ did not disappoint back at the Clipper either that night or early in the morning when I awoke with it still dark outside, the effects of jet lag. Her performance at the KTV was no act, she performed great in bed.
To anyone reading this, it was no surprise that my buddy told me over breakfast that he was hooked on CP. And he was only starting the week.
Cal8
the non models are 2. 6.9 and 3. 6.9.Nice Report, Cal8!
I'm not sure if the new pricing structure was implemented last time I was in CP. I remembered the pricing was 2/5/8 for the longest time, but last time I was there, they were playing with the 3/6/9 structure among others.
I've read AsnDragon's posts of the downward spiral and I agree. Service have been going down and value is compromised. And I agree that the "hotter" gals can play by their own rules, get their sitting fee, go to the next sitting, and repeat. Sure that would work, if they want it to work.
But the 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 structures kinda favors us, doesn't it? If the gal misbehaves and don't get let go, they got to endure the night for 200/300 rmb and give 50-80 rmb to the mommy, right? That wouldn't be in their favor, now would it? If they behave and get ST, they'd get more in return for their night, and of course, the guy gets what he wants, right? And LT is just icing on the cake since for ST or LT the mommy gets the same cut, so wouldn't the gal want to try for the 9 instead of the 6 (which is actually 5 or less after the mommy takes her cut)?
I'd think this structure would work for the benefit of the guy and kinda tame the gals from their "I don't want to go out" games.
Maybe I'm naive and am missing something. Chime in, vets of CP. I'm imagining the current 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 works better than the previous 2/5/8. Thoughts?
SE Asia Joe
05-27-12, 17:42
Nice Report, Cal8!
I'm not sure if the new pricing structure was implemented last time I was in CP. I remembered the pricing was 2/5/8 for the longest time, but last time I was there, they were playing with the 3/6/9 structure among others.
I've read AsnDragon's posts of the downward spiral and I agree. Service have been going down and value is compromised. And I agree that the "hotter" gals can play by their own rules, get their sitting fee, go to the next sitting, and repeat. Sure that would work, if they want it to work.
But the 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 structures kinda favors us, doesn't it? If the gal misbehaves and don't get let go, they got to endure the night for 200/300 rmb and give 50-80 rmb to the mommy, right? That wouldn't be in their favor, now would it? If they behave and get ST, they'd get more in return for their night, and of course, the guy gets what he wants, right? And LT is just icing on the cake since for ST or LT the mommy gets the same cut, so wouldn't the gal want to try for the 9 instead of the 6 (which is actually 5 or less after the mommy takes her cut)?
I'd think this structure would work for the benefit of the guy and kinda tame the gals from their "I don't want to go out" games.
Maybe I'm naive and am missing something. Chime in, vets of CP. I'm imagining the current 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 works better than the previous 2/5/8. Thoughts?Yeah. You wish!
I just got back from the mayflower just now and surprise! Its now 3-7-11 for most of the gals with the models at 4-9-14! And I only saw a total of ONE gal at 2-6-9!
And worse, there was 13 of us at the KTV and we had picked at least 22 gals amongst us and I'd say that there was only 2 or 3 that was of acceptable quality (and these 22 included at least 8 of the supposed "model category") and only one I'd consider outstanding. Which of course was picked by OAH!
My tiny cutey one turned out to have a bad case of the "Pong" and thus I turfed her out after our KTV session. Sigh.
SEAN
California8
05-28-12, 00:48
But the 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 structures kinda favors us, doesn't it?BT:
On this trip a few weeks back, we also went to Yihao, Mayflower and Tao Yuan and the prices do not get lower.
Dave having a party at Yihao so I have to bring my buddy to show him the multiple floor lineups. We get there with time to spare; the models are lined up in rows military style and getting yelled at by a boss. He is walking down each line and writing notes in his little book, we assume assigning demerits so he can fine them.
Dave again has sent out pricing. 2/6/9, 3/7/10 and then 4/10/15 for models. There are definitely mommies that turn my head. When they finally line up in one line for picking, there are way more models than 6 months ago. And I do not see the looker from Sichuan that Skyrider picked 6 months ago that was so beautiful. The line stretches across the whole floor and doubles back on each side. Easily the most models that we see at any KTV for the week. We wait for the lower priced gals but none are forthcoming so we head upstairs. Seems they keep them under cover longer perhaps so that more models will be selected. Rather than a line up, each stable is in a KTV room but we are able to enter any room and the mommies are happy to see us. I am able to pick two gals, one of which is dressed in regular clothes, looks so young, I am tempted to ask for identification.
My buddy picks one gal and later in the room when the mommies are showing the gals that did not get picked, his gal asks him to pick her friend and he does as his second. My two gals turn out to both be 2/6/9 and I guess the reason why is their experience. The one from Guizhou (JJ) is 20 and has worked for a week, this being her third sitting. The other from Hunan (ST) is 18 and this is her first day (now I know why regular clothes). My guess is that you move up in pricing the more times you get picked. I do not find out all of the demographics when picking, not until I get to the room and try the few words of Chinese that I know.
In the room are 5 other guys. 3 guys are from Hawaii who have just arrived in town. One has never been to CP and all 3 have no language skills. Two say they came via the Philippines and have been with two gals nightly. As the night goes on, they have no problem enjoying a good time.
ST is a total introvert with a pillow on her lap most of the night. Fortunately she does not fight off my molestations and in fact the pillow comes in handy as she even allows my hand up her minidress both in back and under the pillow. JJ is more friendly but I am can't get my mind off this brand new girl. Later in the evening, Dave comes over to tell me that he thinks the new girl will be a dud in bed but I am undaunted. Even later, ST tells Dave that she would rather not go out so no problem.
We leave early, two old guys can't drink and stay out late like we used to. My buddy has decided to take both of his back. I take JJ back for her first time of more than a sitting. She is fine in bed but nothing special, maybe I am still thinking about the missed chance to be the first to pop the new girl in CP.
My buddy shows up with the 2nd gal at breakfast. He gave the other ST money and looks proud as a peacock.
More to follow on our other CP KTV visits.
Cal8
California8
05-29-12, 02:43
My buddy and I asked Dave to set us up for a 'dirty' massage session. He sent us to the Swan Lake Hotel Sauna. Up the elevators and we are warmly greeted and shown to a room plus offered drinks. Rather than uniformed massage attendants we are shown sexy uniformed (flight attendant, office girl) and scantily clad gals. We are told 500/600/700 with no room fee and I tell my buddy, no dirty massage for me, it will be a sauna session this afternoon. We make our selections and head to our rooms up a floor. Love to follow a clickity clakking high heeled gal in a mini skirt up the stairs!
Mostly typical sauna session: strip tease, BBBJ on the bed, shower up but no wet bed, she does body slide later on the bed, multiple positions. You talk about a trooper, she really works to get me to pop that second time. She is 20 from Chongqing.
On the way out after his first sauna session, my buddy's famous last words are "dang, I've never been so clean everywhere and I'm bushed"!
Cal8
To Bruce,
I was at CP 2 week ago with Uncle Joe pick a girl from bbs behind Jia mei hotel sweet young thing new to town lousy service only paid 150 rmb ST, I did check out the bbs at swan lake only one bbs with more than 10 girl quality sucks, some mamasan know me from the old days offer me discount to 200 ST and 600 LT pass didn't see anything I want, I am in PI now spend last week here in Subic bay and AC quality girl here for 30. 40 USD all night no attuide all GFE.
Fast Eddie 48Fast Eddie,
Trust me, all the mommies are the same. They will say ok to 200 RMB, but they will ask you to "give the girl a bit more money for lunch or dinner etc" In addition, sometimes mommies will say ok to 200 RMB, take your 100 RMB like how it was back in the days and then leave the burden to the girl to ask you for the extra 50RMB. They use this tactic thinking that most guys will be soft hearted and give into the girl more easily than t rough loud mommie outside on the streets. They have used this tactic on me before.
AsnDragon
Yeah. You wish!
I just got back from the mayflower just now and surprise! Its now 3-7-11 for most of the gals with the models at 4-9-14! And I only saw a total of ONE gal at 2-6-9!
And worse, there was 13 of us at the KTV and we had picked at least 22 gals amongst us and I'd say that there was only 2 or 3 that was of acceptable quality (and these 22 included at least 8 of the supposed "model category") and only one I'd consider outstanding. Which of course was picked by OAH!
My tiny cutey one turned out to have a bad case of the "Pong" and thus I turfed her out after our KTV session. Sigh.
SEANSEAN.
I hate the "Pong" Wow. There was this one girl at Fuhao who was so cute. Great face, great body, nice personality and really fun to be with. Everything is great, but her pussy smells sooooo bad that I could not sustain more than 1 minute of intercourse with her as it just made me want to puke. Just tooo bad. Way too bad. Pong is like my kryptonite. It really is. How come nobody can solve this problem? Any doctors out there?
AsnDragon- if there's a solution, I will find my Fuhao girl once again!
California8,
Fuhao girls are generally younger and more wild. They do party down harder and have a whole lot more energy. However as I get older in my old age it's harder for me to be able to keep up with the younger girls. They are hyper and have way too much energy. I don't know if they are on drugs or not. But Fuhao has the highest probability of:
1. Smelly Pussy / BO etc. I don't know why but I've encountered tons at Fuhao.
2. Young girls, some in which I question if they are actually of legal age-yes scary.
3. A lot are on drugs. Thus party a lot harder
4. Wild and Wild and down for anything and a whole lot of other things too
5. Highest chances of DFK in the room.
These are just some of my observations throughout my myriads of times at Fuhao thus far.
Also I'm hooked to CP as well. CP is like a virus. It infects people easily and it's hard to cure.
AsnDragon.
This report is from a few weeks ago. Arrived in town a little before noon with my buddy who has never been to CP. Dave booked us at Clipper. We soon headed over to Pozolim for footie. Pleasant surprise, the food we ordered, clay pot rice was free.
Dave has a mixed party planned at Fuhao, turns out a few mongers and many non monger friends of his for a birthday celebration. Dave will be late so he texts us the numbers to remind us which gals cost how much; the non models are 2. 6.9 and 3. 6.9. Fortunately, there was a experienced CP visitor of many years who was able to give advice to my buddy about CP. We each picked two but he sent one of his away quickly as other won him over right away. In my couple of trips to CP, tonight one of the tougher picks between two I have had to make. They both vied for my attention; one (SS) had the cuteness and body type I like and even a nice rack for a slender body. The other (JJ) asserted herself aggressively, often jumping into my lap so we were face to face and attacking me with DFK. Both were 19 from Guizhou but did not know each other. To no one's surprise in the room, I took JJ back.
JJ did not disappoint back at the Clipper either that night or early in the morning when I awoke with it still dark outside, the effects of jet lag. Her performance at the KTV was no act, she performed great in bed.
To anyone reading this, it was no surprise that my buddy told me over breakfast that he was hooked on CP. And he was only starting the week.
Cal8
JJ is more friendly but I am can't get my mind off this brand new girl. Later in the evening, Dave comes over to tell me that he thinks the new girl will be a dud in bed but I am undaunted. Even later, ST tells Dave that she would rather not go out so no problem.
We leave early, two old guys can't drink and stay out late like we used to. My buddy has decided to take both of his back. I take JJ back for her first time of more than a sitting. She is fine in bed but nothing special, maybe I am still thinking about the missed chance to be the first to pop the new girl in CP."new" girls have given me a negative association since two have blown me off.
First one was on SEAN's birthday party and I picked a "new" girl without tags and without uniform. She was tame and introverted so having her as my date at a birthday bash was kinda disappointing. Felt like I was babysitting her. In any case, she kept asking if we can leave early and go get food or shopping. I was like, 'ummm. No? ' Back to the hotel, she took like 40 minutes in the shower. Found out she washed her hair and blew dried it. Oooookay. The sex was so uneventful, it was actually a dead fish experience. Not a great evening and to make it worst, I heard all of SEAN's ecstatic sex adventures a full 10 rooms away. ST and pushed her out the door.
My second time getting a "new" girl was in FuHao a few months ago. She was in regular clothes and sneakers. She pretty much had country girl just came to city a few hours ago feel to her. Anyway, she allowed me to touch her all over but was again quiet and introverted. The parties I go to include Jett and other wild boys, so my date stood out as subdued. Partly cause I party to the mood of my date. So if she's a bore, I'm doubly a bore. Anyhow, that's not the unfortunate part. All the while, she told me she'd go out and overnight blah blah. Why else would I pick her? But at 12, she decided to ditch me. She told me she has to go home and next thing I know, her mommy came to the room and tried to get me to pick another girl. Don't really remember what happened, but she didn't want to go out and "had" to leave. I'm a pushover so I figured she stayed with me the whole night and was ok, so I think as a "new" girl, she earned her 200 rmb sitting fee. So I allowed her to leave with a sitting fee and Jett insinuated to the mommy that it was bad form for her girls to do that.
We're all seduced by the "new" factor and the excitement that we're getting a girl who's just off the bus. I'm imagining you need patience and game to loosen those up. Dead fish and constant calls from her bf would not be out of the norm, so it's really up to the guy to make her into a fun date or else cut her loose early to find another fun date.
I saw the first girl a few weeks later at another KTV. She recognized me and saw me with my date, but still came over to chat with me. I could tell she got CPized and kinda knows the role she has to play with her dates. We did end up becoming texting buddies, but I think I would've liked her as a date a few weeks into her KTV experience than the first few hours / days into her KTV experience. In any case, I wouldn't recommend picking a "new" girl for a guy who's only in town for a few days. For the short amount of time, a fun night is more essential than a 'training' night.
Wikki Wikki Wild Wild West
California8
05-31-12, 23:46
"new" girls have given me a negative association since two have blown me off.
I picked a "new" girl without tags and without uniform. She was tame and introverted so having her as my date at a birthday bash was kinda disappointing. Felt like I was babysitting her. In any case, she kept asking if we can leave early and go get food or shopping.You are right, that new girl was an introvert.
Cal8
California8
06-01-12, 00:30
After two KTV parties and a sauna session the previous few days, my buddy and I decided to rest up or perhaps just look in on a BBS. Dave sends out a text for a party at Mayflower and says we can walk there from the Clipper. Never been to Mayflower so off we go at the appointed time. The walk down Swan Lake Road at 'go to work' time is a sight to behold. Once past the sewage river, we just follow the short skirts or short shorts and high heels to find the Mayflower.
There are only a handful of models here so the numbers we need are 3/7/11. SE Asia Joe posted on prices a few posts back. I must say that I jokingly commented after the selection process that my arms were bruised by all of the aggressive grabbing by the mommies. I picked two who turned out to be 19 from Chongqing (QQ) and 23 from Hunan (XL). An ancient (for CP) 23 years old? She certainly did not look her age.
The interesting part of the story is my buddy's selection. He picked a slender gal who turned out to have a tiger tattoo on her back fully visible with the dress she wore, not the look that I would have picked and probably mid 20's. On the way out of the selection process she points to another and says that is her Meimei. So he picks two and once in the room he shouts over that he has sisters. I tell him to double check, they could be cousins. Sure enough he has two cousins from Guilin with Meimei being at work for the first night. And they both speak Cantonese.
We have a good time at the party, I pick one and my buddy is taking both back to the Clipper tonight. We stop to eat at the restaurant across the street from the Clipper and one dish ordered is fish heads and it is in a sauce so spicy our sinuses are cleared forever. It is nothing to the gals from Hunan and Guilin. I did ST, my buddy's Do Not Disturb sign is on the door so I head to breakfast. My buddy comes down and sheepishly thanks me for "the best day of my life". His two are still asleep and he tells me that they are damn gymnasts in bed. Meimei may be new but just new to CP and not in bed. So here was the exception to the 'new girl in town' is shy, just get her with who brought her to town.
Back upstairs 30 minutes later there is a knock on the door and my buddy has the older of the two cousins dressed only in his dress shirt and sends her in with thanks. Exceptional service and that tattoo is very well done so the 'not the look that I would pick' does not mean you will not get the service you want. Later on when I hook up again with my buddy, I thank him for the morning pop then tell him that he should thank me for taking one off of his hands and saving him from a heart attack. I get a smile and nod of agreement.
We have one more night left in CP.
Cal8
Loveasiangirls
06-01-12, 01:18
. On the way out of the selection process she points to another and says that is her Meimei. So he picks two and once in the room he shouts over that he has sisters. I tell him to double check, they could be cousins. Sure enough he has two cousins from Guilin with Meimei being at work for the first night."
Cal8Guys often get excited when they think they have two sisters but most of the time the girls are not related at all. It generally means that they are friends, and often not very close friends. I am the brother of a lot of girls in China.
Jettsetter
06-01-12, 01:52
Bruce,
Alright, so the prices are going up everywhere, to the point where I can't even keep track anymore.
Mayflower: I think they have the following pricing: 2-6-9, 3-7-10, forget about the model group because none of them are brucetea girls anyhow.
Versaille: they still have 2-6-9, if they strip it's 4-6-9, two hundred more for sitting fee. And they only do it like after 10:30 pm.
Fuhao is similar: adding an extra 100 on top of ST and LT.
Eurasia and Yihao: are all the same, adding an extra 100 on the girls ST and LT. In addition, eurasia's Blue dress girls are like 400 just to sit them.
So CP's become a place where sitting more than one chick is not really all that worth it anymore. It really does add up and hurt the wallet after a while.
Taxis you know has gone up in price and so have hotels.
Girl's services have gone down by quite a lot! All these post 90's generation girls are becoming more lazy, more greedy and less service oriented. But then again, you are a pro after all. So I'm sure you will be able to tame the girls inside the KTV rooms.
Hui Mei Alley is still 150 RMB but you need to fight them hard to get that price. Quality of girls are not as good as you remember and the rooms always have mold spores growing on the walls and smells very bad. I seriously think it's an occupational hazard for the girls who stay in those rooms for hours a day. No wonder all the girls get sick all the time.
No more catacombs, but that happened two years ago, which I didn't even know until SEAN told me.
Sauna rates are the same at MeiBao, Virgin has the model category which is more expensive and I never choose that anyhow. Hui Hua is going crazy with their prices but they have a viewing room that has a stripper's pole, so does Jin Lang Hotel Sauna since they are both managed by the same owner. Yihao and Eurasia is trying to go crazy with their prices too charging upwards to 1000 RMB even though their girls at that category is really not pretty at all.
So just be prepared to bring along more money with you. In addition, if you find a gem and really like her, then keep her longer for a cheaper price. You are the famous or shall we say infamous Brucetea after all right?
AsnDragon.Well, CP has tried to clean up the pirate taxi thing at least at the rail station. When exiting from the CRH. Whether coming from SZ or Guangzhou. You'll see the normal pirate taxi round up to the right. Well, in the same area, you'll see a canopy and this guy on a loud speaker. He's basically trying to tell everyone, that there are taxi's there that go by the meter. Just walk past the people trying to tout you and enter a taxi right in front of the canopy with a guy in the taxi waiting. He will turn on the meter and off you go. Wow, I was able to get to Rainbow for 10 kuai actually! Wow. But yes. You have to understand Chinese or know this. So look for the canopy and enter a taxi. Don't get into the taxi's with touts. Get into the taxi right in front of the canopy and make sure the meter goes right on.
At least I don't have to walk as far anymore!
-Jett
SE Asia Joe
06-01-12, 07:27
Well, CP has tried to clean up the pirate taxi thing at least at the rail station. When exiting from the CRH. Whether coming from SZ or Guangzhou. You'll see the normal pirate taxi round up to the right. Well, in the same area, you'll see a canopy and this guy on a loud speaker. He's basically trying to tell everyone, that there are taxi's there that go by the meter. Just walk past the people trying to tout you and enter a taxi right in front of the canopy with a guy in the taxi waiting. He will turn on the meter and off you go. Wow, I was able to get to Rainbow for 10 kuai actually! Wow. But yes. You have to understand Chinese or know this. So look for the canopy and enter a taxi. Don't get into the taxi's with touts. Get into the taxi right in front of the canopy and make sure the meter goes right on.
At least I don't have to walk as far anymore!
-JettYes. And no unfortunately!
What you describe does happen, but only some times whilst at other times, its the same old taxis either only wanting to go back to wherever they are from or demanding extortionate rates.
I'm not sure when and how this is enforced. But just that its only sporadic.
Anybody know for sure when / what to look for before getting into a taxi and before getting in an argument with these taxi drivers? Something which had happened to me just recently.
SEAJ
Jett,
You are right, they do have that canopy right outside of the taxi stand. However if you notice, all the shark blue taxis are all still lining up for suckers to sit in their 20-25 RMB rate rides. Where as the canopy station has almost no taxis coming in at all. In fact on a hot summer day. I would just have to find other modes of transportation instead of waiting in the summer CP heat. I usually walk outside of the blue taxi shark location and find a taxi on the road or a mini bread van right away. Yes it's 15 RMB a bit more, but I'd pay that in a heartbeat instead of standing outside in the humid 90 degree heat.
But most of CP, all taxis anywhere you are at is asking for 15 RMB on weekend day time and weekend night time it's 20 RMB especially during the KTV rush hour of 5-6pm.
On week days on Mondays you can get away with 10 RMB, but you have to speak Chinese and fight for that price too.
Things are getting more expensive. Real quick.
AsnDragon.
Well, CP has tried to clean up the pirate taxi thing at least at the rail station. When exiting from the CRH. Whether coming from SZ or Guangzhou. You'll see the normal pirate taxi round up to the right. Well, in the same area, you'll see a canopy and this guy on a loud speaker. He's basically trying to tell everyone, that there are taxi's there that go by the meter. Just walk past the people trying to tout you and enter a taxi right in front of the canopy with a guy in the taxi waiting. He will turn on the meter and off you go. Wow, I was able to get to Rainbow for 10 kuai actually! Wow. But yes. You have to understand Chinese or know this. So look for the canopy and enter a taxi. Don't get into the taxi's with touts. Get into the taxi right in front of the canopy and make sure the meter goes right on.
At least I don't have to walk as far anymore!
-Jett
Guys often get excited when they think they have two sisters but most of the time the girls are not related at all. It generally means that they are friends, and often not very close friends. I am the brother of a lot of girls in China.You are the brother of a lot of girls in China? I am assuming God-Brother type of relationship right?
You are correct though, most of the whole Mei Mei situation is false advertisement. Think about it, who would ask their own sister to come to CP to become a WG? (well I have done real sisters before and asked for the I'd cards to prove it and I have done twins before, but those are rare cases) Most of the time Mei Mei (sisters) are just close friends. Not even cousins. Can you imagine if word caught on back home on what their job in CP was? Most girls still like their own privacy and don't like family members knowing too much about what they do right?
Recently though, in a KTV setting, girls are trained by their Mommies to use this tactic to sit a girl-less popular, in their group. It's pretty smart. They know if you liked your girl, most guys will want to portray themselves as being very generous and nice and pick their girl's Mei Mei. It's all just a tactic. I usually just reject their request and say "I only want to spend the evening with you and you only, I don't like to sit two girls at once." Usually they get the hint!
However, recently a guy who sat a model girl already was asked by his girl to sit a girl who was her best friend. He said "I will sit her if you reach into my pants and jack me off in front of everyone. She reached in and did a quick 10 second stroke on his dick and he sat the friend. I was amazed at how much guts he had to request that.
AsnDragon
Loveasiangirls
06-01-12, 09:38
you are the brother of a lot of girls in china? i am assuming god-brother type of relationship right?
asndragoni guess we have to call it [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) then. i am in my mid-50 and many of my lady friends are below 30. they like to call me their big brother. same principle as these "sisters".
however, recently a guy who sat a model girl already was asked by his girl to sit a girl who was her best friend. he said "i will sit her if you reach into my pants and jack me off in front of everyone. she reached in and did a quick 10 second stroke on his dick and he sat the friend. i was amazed at how much guts he had to request that.i could only imagine mr. luckyseven pulling that off, lol!
what annoys me is the pouting afterwards."please sit my sister, she's having a rough time, do it for me if you love me" and if you say 'no' then she pouts and pretends to play with her phone as if she's like concerned for her friend. it's like ordering drinks and food for the girl, it's not that she's hungry or thirsty, but for her requirement by the establishment. if the guy does, he may be seen as a pushover or a sucker. if he doesn't, he may be seen as a cheapskate. what's worst is if one guy allows it (food and drinks to be ordered by the girl) every girl jumps on the bandwagon and pressures her guy to buy them for her. pretty much, the ktv would make more money and the girls get a feel for how generous the guy is.
best way to avoid all this is to have a "scrapegoat" or a "bad cop" guy do all the rejecting. that guy's the head honcho and if he says no drinks, no food, no sitting more girls, then that's that! it may suck for the girls, but her date will look like he's just going with the flow.
if i sit two girls, they would have to be my liking. i don't think i'm that generous to let a girl pick her "friend" who most likely would not have gotten picked anyway. but, in rare cases, and it does happen, is when her friend comes and holy shit she's hot, then hell yea.
oh shit, i remember a time when that happened. we were at regency ktv with a bunch of guys. one guy picked a girl who wanted to bring her friend over. someone said ok as long as she doesn't get the 200 sitting fee unless we allow her to stay. holy shit, she was smoking hot. she stayed. i liked her so much i decided to ditch my date and take her home. i asked around and everyone was satisfied with their date, so i was like, yep, i'm taking that friend. so i asked mr. dragon to take my date off my hands so i can play with the friend. mr. wingman-dragon tried to play dice and stuff with her, but she was really clingy to where to i tried to sneak off to. funny stuff. anyhow, i ended up giving my date her sitting fee and asking her to go (she didn't want to at first, until i pretty much pushed her out the door, don't know why she wanted to stay) , and made my moves on the friend. it was a great night. she ended up becoming a nice option whenever i was dateless in cp.
in any case, meimeis are great. if they're hot, sit them all. if not, well, that's what wing-mans are for, to get rid of girls you don't want.
wikki wikki wild wild west
California8
06-02-12, 00:12
It will be the last night in CP and Dave texts about a party at Tao Yuan, girls wear bikinis in the line up. I saw a post soon after that the night we went was the last night for bikinis. Same price for non models as Mayflower. 3/7/11. This is a nice change from the nightgowns though Chinese bikinis and those in the west are not the same, these girls are a bit more covered up.
I pick a petite girl with very short low riding denim shorts which reveal the top of her thong in both the front and back. Lots of eye makeup for a slutty look. Turns out to be 20 from Hubei. I don't remember too much about the party but back at the room, she was wet and tight and I did not last long. I had planned to just do a ST and she must have figured the same because she motioned to me and with the few words I understood that her friend was sick and throwing up and had to leave. A relief to not have a gal wanting to stay while I needed to pack up for an early departure.
My 'new to CP' buddy was always a source for interesting quotes and stories and on our way out of town it was "when are we coming back?"
Cal8
California8
06-02-12, 00:21
A shout out to Dave for a great time in CP. Those of you with minimal to no Chinese skills, you need to get in contact with Dave if you are heading to CP. My buddy is a golfer so knowing that there is not much to do during the day there, I asked Dave set up a golf day for him. I wanted to go along for the ride in the cart but the course wanted the full green fee just to ride. I passed.
My buddy also needed to go to Shenzhen to visit a factory so after golf, the driver (prearranged) took him to SZ. They were a bit early for the appointment so he asked the driver to take him to a golf store. They ended up at a golfing store street. He just went down the row until he found what he wanted. He bought the heads (no shaft) of the clubs he wanted for about USD$25 / each. He was happy as can be and quite sure that he got the real thing.
Cal8
Jettsetter
06-02-12, 03:43
Yes. And no unfortunately!
What you describe does happen, but only some times whilst at other times, its the same old taxis either only wanting to go back to wherever they are from or demanding extortionate rates.
I'm not sure when and how this is enforced. But just that its only sporadic.
Anybody know for sure when / what to look for before getting into a taxi and before getting in an argument with these taxi drivers? Something which had happened to me just recently.
SEAJI guess I'm real lucky. Before I left about a week ago, I was up and down and in the Canopy taxi about 5 times in about a two week time period. EVERYTIME, I went, they had taxi's that were metered. Even on a rainy day. Point is that yes, you have to get past that row of sharks, but they have plenty of taxis at least when I went. It was also because most of the people didn't know about it either, so I got off the train (I'm usually one of the first to get off, since I walk to the 4th car every time right in front of the stairs) , then walk to that canopy area to be greeted by a LEGIT METERED TAXI.
Of course, you have to know to go there and I can't gaurantee there WILL be a taxi obviously. But at least for the past few weeks, EVERY TIME I showed up, they had a taxi waiting. Perhaps with a train full of people and you get off slow, maybe they're all gone. But as we leave ZMT from SZ, I start making my way to Cart #4 and as the doors open, the stairs leading downstairs in CP are always right there, I zip through (I never have luggage other than a backpack) , and always managed a taxi. (I had lots going on the last few weeks back and forth).
Anyways, to each his own. But I can only speak of my experience.
-J
SE Asia Joe
06-02-12, 14:45
I guess I'm real lucky. Before I left about a week ago, I was up and down and in the Canopy taxi about 5 times in about a two week time period. EVERYTIME, I went, they had taxi's that were metered. Even on a rainy day. Point is that yes, you have to get past that row of sharks, but they have plenty of taxis at least when I went. It was also because most of the people didn't know about it either, so I got off the train (I'm usually one of the first to get off, since I walk to the 4th car every time right in front of the stairs) , then walk to that canopy area to be greeted by a LEGIT METERED TAXI.
Of course, you have to know to go there and I can't gaurantee there WILL be a taxi obviously. But at least for the past few weeks, EVERY TIME I showed up, they had a taxi waiting. Perhaps with a train full of people and you get off slow, maybe they're all gone. But as we leave ZMT from SZ, I start making my way to Cart #4 and as the doors open, the stairs leading downstairs in CP are always right there, I zip through (I never have luggage other than a backpack) , and always managed a taxi. (I had lots going on the last few weeks back and forth).
Anyways, to each his own. But I can only speak of my experience.
-JThanks for your detailed explanation and information; I'll definitely try it again.
Actually I just now came via the station and only saw 2 blue taxis there but a bunch of those guys shouting and trying to attract prospective passengers, and thus didn't even try. But of course this was Saturday afternoon PLUS I hadn't had a chance to read your latest post on the subject.
Thanks again.
SEAN. Going to definitely try again! LOL!
Amazon KTV has temporarily suspended HD since 01/06/12 (Fri) until furthur notice.
Saturday night I visited a book store in CP and saw an item entitled 'Mega World Reading Pocket Interpreter'. It is basically a book and a pen. The book contains entirely phrases in English with the Chinese equivalent juxtaposed. The pen has a built in speaker so that you pass the pen on the Chinese phrase and you hear the phrase read in Chinese thus obtaining an instantaneous translation of the English phrase just above it. For me this would be an excellent learning tool as well as a means of communicating with Chinese speakers. My only concern is the quality of the product; at a cost of 600RMB I want a product that would last me some years not just a couple of months. There are no product reviews on the internet. Has anyone any experience with this product? It also translates into other languages. It is manufactured in Guangdong.
Jettsetter
06-04-12, 07:45
Saturday night I visited a book store in CP and saw an item entitled 'Mega World Reading Pocket Interpreter'. It is basically a book and a pen. The book contains entirely phrases in English with the Chinese equivalent juxtaposed. The pen has a built in speaker so that you pass the pen on the Chinese phrase and you hear the phrase read in Chinese thus obtaining an instantaneous translation of the English phrase just above it. For me this would be an excellent learning tool as well as a means of communicating with Chinese speakers. My only concern is the quality of the product; at a cost of 600RMB I want a product that would last me some years not just a couple of months. There are no product reviews on the internet. Has anyone any experience with this product? It also translates into other languages. It is manufactured in Guangdong.I found a cool iphone tool useful for speaking into: ITranslate. Works on 4 or 4s. Simply speak into it an english phrase and you'll get a mandarin speaking translation out. It actually works rreally well. You can actually do it the other way around. Speak Chinese into it and you get english. Obviously you need internet connection but pretty impressive considering it also does a ton of other languages. Overall, pretty good program for a few bucks. Obviously you'll an iphone (not sure if android is supported) but check it out.
For reading text, PLECO is okay but takes a while to use. So again, pretty cool it has an OCR for Chinese so you can recognize Chinese text. But again, you need wifi or internet connection of some sort.
Don't have to spend the 600 RMB for these programs.
-Jett
Dette Er Tull
06-04-12, 14:54
Hi, could someone please PM me his contact info. I have a trip to Hong Kong beginning next month. I have search the forum, but didn't find anything.
Thanks
Hi, could someone please PM me his contact info. I have a trip to Hong Kong beginning next month. I have search the forum, but didn't find anything.
ThanksIf you have any questions or would like to make a booking in CP, I can be contacted via PM via ISG or email at bigswingindave@hotmail.com Or call me at +86 150 1480 3278.
Here you go!
I found a cool iphone tool useful for speaking into: ITranslate. Works on 4 or 4s. Simply speak into it an english phrase and you'll get a mandarin speaking translation out. It actually works rreally well. You can actually do it the other way around. Speak Chinese into it and you get english. Obviously you need internet connection but pretty impressive considering it also does a ton of other languages. Overall, pretty good program for a few bucks. Obviously you'll an iphone (not sure if android is supported) but check it out.
For reading text, PLECO is okay but takes a while to use. So again, pretty cool it has an OCR for Chinese so you can recognize Chinese text. But again, you need wifi or internet connection of some sort.
Don't have to spend the 600 RMB for these programs.
-JettThanks. I don't own an iphone but your post led me to a google search for a similar blackberry app that I did find. I think I'll give it a try.
AbaloneGalore
06-05-12, 13:51
Came through CP last week and had a few quiet days here. Is it me or does it seem like it's busy yet "quiet"? I see people going out and about, girls where there should be girls, but it doesn't feel like it was as vibrant even just a few weeks ago. Maybe I'm out early (9-ish) and to bed early (12-midnight-ish) too, so this is just some old man rambling.
It was Friday and I made the mistake of going to Meibao at 7pm and it was ridiculously busy, to the point there were at least 6 guys sitting around and waiting. There were three girls available, but none to my liking nor to those 6 guys, I suppose. I ended up calling a mamasan around the Swan Lake area to send a BBS gal I had liked earlier in the week to my hotel room (I was staying at the Clipper). She wasn't available at first, but through the magic of whatever persuasion these mamasans use, about 45 minutes later, the girl shows up at my door, seemingly happy to see me. Passionate and satisfying service from a young, tight gal, so I was happy. I never understood members that don't like repeating with girls, but the service / attitude usually are incrementially better every time, at least for me. Nothing else exciting except that I got a really good foot massage from the in-hotel place from a really cute girl, #66. She is quiet but engaging if you are willing to chat with her. Deliciously tone legs and (beautiful feet!) that leave an impression. Apparently, business is terrible with Swan Lake's footie joint taking the lion's share of business in the area so she and all the girls might move to another hotel soon. But on the bright side, there's never any waiting!
Came through CP last week and had a few quiet days here. Is it me or does it seem like it's busy yet "quiet"? I see people going out and about, girls where there should be girls, but it doesn't feel like it was as vibrant even just a few weeks ago. Maybe I'm out early (9-ish) and to bed early (12-midnight-ish) too, so this is just some old man rambling.
It was Friday and I made the mistake of going to Meibao at 7pm and it was ridiculously busy, to the point there were at least 6 guys sitting around and waiting.Glad you had a good time. Can't go wrong with BBS (or Sauna girl if you get one you like) , then a footie, and perhaps a little late snack before bed. But Fridays are very busy in BBS, SN, and KTVs. So, if you don't plan, perhaps the BBS girl you like will be unavailable, the SN will be busy, or whatever.
If you get a paid subscription, you can PM several members on this thread to join in KTV gatherings. That's also a nice option.
Footies can be fun. Whether in Clipper, Swan Lake, or the one many people go to, PZL, it's all good if you get a cutie and perhaps a good massage. What I like about the Clipper area is the many Hong Kong style restaurants that are open late. Yummy, decently priced, and variety.
It may "look" quiet, but on a Friday, it's buzzin. Enjoy the atmosphere and if you can, meet up with new friends for more exciting nights.
Enjoy!
However, recently a guy who sat a model girl already was asked by his girl to sit a girl who was her best friend. He said "I will sit her if you reach into my pants and jack me off in front of everyone. She reached in and did a quick 10 second stroke on his dick and he sat the friend. I was amazed at how much guts he had to request that.
AsnDragonGuts? That is S. O. P. Alot of times you could get much more than that if they really like their friend and you. And yes all their friends are MeiMeis except the pervert Dongbei girl that I know that has Laopos and likes molesting them (apparently she has three and I've met and played with two of them). Rarely are they related and a few girls even call me GeGe and it is clearly I am not. Just a term of affection for their close friends guys and girls.
Just hope they don't start calling you yeye.
LOL
But the 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 structures kinda favors us, doesn't it? If the gal misbehaves and don't get let go, they got to endure the night for 200/300 rmb and give 50-80 rmb to the mommy, right? That wouldn't be in their favor, now would it? If they behave and get ST, they'd get more in return for their night, and of course, the guy gets what he wants, right? And LT is just icing on the cake since for ST or LT the mommy gets the same cut, so wouldn't the gal want to try for the 9 instead of the 6 (which is actually 5 or less after the mommy takes her cut)?
I'd think this structure would work for the benefit of the guy and kinda tame the gals from their "I don't want to go out" games.
Maybe I'm naive and am missing something. Chime in, vets of CP. I'm imagining the current 2/6/9 and 3/6/9 works better than the previous 2/5/8. Thoughts?Before it was 200. 50 mommie fee. 30 snack fine (BS KTV fines / fees) = 120 net to the girl for sitting.
I think the fees are same but now girl gets 300 so 220 net to girl.
220 * 5 days * 4 weeks was only about 4000 a month. Less makeup / clothes required, just sitting netted.
Them only 2k is or less nearly a good factory job.
Motivation was to go out to boost them to 8k a month by going out.
Now they get 320 * 5 * 4 = 6000 a month less same expenses nets them about 4k just by sitting. There are alot.
Of sitting only girls and the mommies are allowing girls to sit without going out always red tagging, mommies are weak and the.
Must go with customer rule is gone. Yihao has the strictist you cannot refuse customer rules yet the mommie and girl conspired.
To avoid me, yes brothers here know what I am talking about, simply the customer is no longer the king, and the mommies used to
Be mean and fierce are puppy dogs and so worried about keeping their girls happy and not the customer.
Sadly that is the truth, the competition for keeping girls that are popular, means the mommies no longer have the method.
To threaten the girls with firing. So what they will go elsewhere, eventually they find a mommie that lets them show up.
When they want, go with who they want, do what they want, simply because they are the better looking ones (ugly girls.
Still work harder LOL).
Still the economics of that slight shift has made it unnecessary for the girls to go out, along with the number of KTVs making.
It easy to find a job and no consequences to not coming to work. The better looking girls bounce as models between yihao, eurasia
And even Huihua and MF, simply move until the dust clears then come back. It will not get better with the new hotels and KTVs opening.
You simply have to find fun girls that you click with and stick with them.
I repeated on at least 4 days last time a record simply because I have tired of bad picks, my best pick recently.
Was a 10. 30pm late showup girl (customer rejected her.) who was a blast and as MF always has. A temp girl.
Checking out the KTV to see if it is fun. Great find a total blast, fun girl, good attitude and not a working girl (yet?).
Before they were 2-5-8, they got 500. 150 mommie. 30 bs KTV fee or about 320 for ST.
GodIsCrazy
06-06-12, 02:43
Recently visited Mayflower and was surprised that there are now more "model" than previously. Also many of the so called model were actually formerly 2/5/8 girls and now so called "promoted" to 1300 category for model.
Perhaps, it is time to serioulsy look for new frontiers. Also equally shocking was the number of girls is so much more than the number of men. Maybe it is becuase it ws 1 June (children day in China). Maybe some brothers out there can provide some insights or perhaps we all should be seeking new fronters
SE Asia Joe
06-07-12, 04:25
Recently visited Mayflower and was surprised that there are now more "model" than previously. Also many of the so called model were actually formerly 2/5/8 girls and now so called "promoted" to 1300 category for model.
Perhaps, it is time to serioulsy look for new frontiers. Also equally shocking was the number of girls is so much more than the number of men. Maybe it is becuase it ws 1 June (children day in China). Maybe some brothers out there can provide some insights or perhaps we all should be seeking new frontersLast few pages here we all have been lamenting on this particular sorry state of affairs in CP.
SEAN
Godiscrazy,
You are correct that perhaps we should migrate to new frontiers. But the problem is I've been to new frontiers and the quality of their girls are not THAT much better than CP. They may be a bit more innocent, but quality and price does not justify.
It would be best just to stick to CP and just pick and choose wisely. As I've stated before CP is trying to upsell big time. Whether or not this can continue is questionable. I have seen that flower streets have less mongers than before- even on Friday and saturdays. So unless KTV management tries to be more reasonable with prices either in their KTV room pricing or girls, it's going to be a downward spiral.
Especially with China's economy and the whole world slowing down in general, we may see a huge hit in CP business in general.
AsnDragon.
Recently visited Mayflower and was surprised that there are now more "model" than previously. Also many of the so called model were actually formerly 2/5/8 girls and now so called "promoted" to 1300 category for model.
Perhaps, it is time to serioulsy look for new frontiers. Also equally shocking was the number of girls is so much more than the number of men. Maybe it is becuase it ws 1 June (children day in China). Maybe some brothers out there can provide some insights or perhaps we all should be seeking new fronters
Freepeaks,
Sooner or later all girls will call you Ye Ye (grandfather). We only get older not younger.
But then again some girls do have a Daddy-complex. So we will have to search out those girls.
Is it that same Dongbei girl who's hot! Who likes to molest other girls? Threesome?
AsnDragon.
Guts? That is S. O. P. Alot of times you could get much more than that if they really like their friend and you. And yes all their friends are MeiMeis except the pervert Dongbei girl that I know that has Laopos and likes molesting them (apparently she has three and I've met and played with two of them). Rarely are they related and a few girls even call me GeGe and it is clearly I am not. Just a term of affection for their close friends guys and girls.
Just hope they don't start calling you yeye.
LOL
Tony Knight
06-08-12, 06:32
Can any one recommend a nice resort or spa where I can take a lady friend for the week in January?
You are correct that perhaps we should migrate to new frontiers. But the problem is I've been to new frontiers and the quality of their girls are not THAT much better than CP. They may be a bit more innocent, but quality and price does not justify.
Yes so far there's no place in China that is like CP.
It's still cheaper than other places and the variety available is undisputed.
We just have to be more selective to weed out the bad eggs.
It would be best just to stick to CP and just pick and choose wisely. As I've stated before CP is trying to upsell big time. Whether or not this can continue is questionable. I have seen that flower streets have less mongers than before- even on Friday and saturdays. So unless KTV management tries to be more reasonable with prices either in their KTV room pricing or girls, it's going to be a downward spiral.
Especially with China's economy and the whole world slowing down in general, we may see a huge hit in CP business in general.This upsell tactic is producing a bubble that is awaiting to burst.
Don't forget what made Changping famous in the first place.
It's the "cheap and good" fundamentals.
Most likely due to the Euro Zone crisis.
Already the business in changping this year has slowed down a bit.
Canton Fair period being excluded as it's not a good representation of how consistent the business is in Changping.
Don't trust on the Hotel/KTV staff telling you the real truth. Hahaha.
Can any one recommend a nice resort or spa where I can take a lady friend for the week in January?Pozolim
Silvery Holiday Spa
LukeSkywalker
06-08-12, 07:48
A few friends were on a bus tour. They mention Dong Xin in Guang Xi and her sister town, Mong cai, have a lot of young and beautiful girls. Local rates are about 30 RMB short time and 100 RMB all night.
Apparently local economy is poor, unemployment is high among young girls, so service is very good.
The area is along the coast about 300 Km from Hainan. The guys were on a bus tour. I have no idea if there is air service to any airport nearby.
We should all pack up, run away from Chang Ping and go West, where young pussies are plentiful.
lukeskywalker,
i'm sure there are these places all over inner china. i can tell you that those 30 rmb st and 100 rmb overnight joints are not very clean and the girls are downright straight from the village.
what's unique about cp is that in the past, many of the wg came from real factories, tricked to be a wg by their deadbeat boyfriends. now all of these factories employed girls from all over china- hunan, hubei, guangxi, guizhou, sichuan, henan, jiangxi, shaanxi etc. as many of these factories are all over dongguan, many of them come to cp to work as wg. thus in cp you get a variety of girls from all over china. there is an advantage to this as you get to see different types of girls from all over. the sichuan girls with their big tits and white skin, the hubei girls with their taller nose bridge features, the shaanxi girls who have a more classical traditional chinese womanly look, henan / anhui with their taller height etc. (these are just stereotypes)
but if you were to go to guangxi, you will only see guangxi girls. they will be shorter, darker skin perhaps and many of them will be about the same "type" of girls. you don't get all that much variety. but cp is able to attract girls from all over. even today, when girls are not recruited from nearby factories anymore, cp can still attract girls to come because of its convenient infrastructure. high speed rail or regular rail, bus transport, it's proximity to sz airport etc.
in addition, going into guangxi, i"m sure that most girls will not be as well groomed as cp. they won't dress as well or their hair done etc. cp has a way to change a villager, literally overnight, into a more classy looking gal. with the myriad of hair salons, clothing stores and makeup shops, everything in cp is catered to making a women look pretty for a man to choose and take back to have sex with for the exchange of money.
but then again, cheap sex in guangxi may be pretty good. just not as good, in my personal opinion.
asndragon.
a few friends were on a bus tour. they mention dong xin in guang xi and her sister town, mong cai, have a lot of young and beautiful girls. local rates are about 30 rmb short time and 100 rmb all night.
apparently local economy is poor, unemployment is high among young girls, so service is very good.
the area is along the coast about 300 km from hainan. the guys were on a bus tour. i have no idea if there is air service to any airport nearby.
we should all pack up, run away from chang ping and go west, where young pussies are plentiful.
LukeSkywalker
06-09-12, 12:46
Some of us actually enjoy unique country flavors once in a while away from the boring city routines.
Actually heard from a few seasoned bros, that Dong Xing has large supply of pretty young girls worth spending a few vacation days.
Will be there in a few weeks.
Yes so far there's no place in China that is like CP.
It's still cheaper than other places and the variety available is undisputed.
We just have to be more selective to weed out the bad eggs.It's Sunday morning and I am sitting here in my room at the CP Peninsula, killing time before the next MTR train to HK, so thought I'd fire off a couple lines about the laowai / gweilo KTV experience. Arrived Friday afternoon and met BSD, my usual Changping "fixer" who arranged the hotel room (2 nights at 320 renminbi including breakfast for one per day; I recommend this hotel, fair but not cheap by any means, as it is comfortable and convenient. Yes, the Swan Lake and a couple other places are closer to BBS joints, but the Peninsula is still walkable seasonally) ; two nights of KTV and two massage sessions (one a 100-minute body massage at Pozilim, not bad; the second day a two hour foot massage with six other partiers and Dave).
All in, I would say the weekend cost 4400 renminbi, including taxis (the black cabs are what you'll have to take much of the time, but what choice do you have?) , massages, the two KTV parties (roughly 600+ yuan per party, including Dave's fee) , and the 1000 yuan for one girl per night LT*
As the group was small (a young Singaporean fellow and a Chinese guy with a very Boston accent; you know who you are guys, hope all is well!) and Dave picked Tao Yuan, a smaller KTV. I happened to think the flower street, in my opinion, had girls as good looking as any, but I'm not particular and into the tall models like the ethnic Chinese seem to for, so all the better. The mommies at Tao Yuan are VERY aggressive, and the girls will tug at you. It was overwhelming, even by the lofty standards of Dongguan. Ah, if the enthusiasm stretched the bed, all would be better in Wildhawkland.
I picked a little cutie from Xi'an, Tian Tian. 18 years old, bangs (my fetish, go figure). She was quite a sweet girl, in the party room. *Though a real dead fish in bed. We are talking mish and mish only. No kissie, no suck on the nipple, no nothing. Nada nada nada. Practically had to pry her legs apart.
Now BSD and I will (and often do) disagree on the subject of girls, with him faulting me on the language barrier. Who can argue about that? However, the girls do know what their job is, and probably perform better for Chinese guys with less manners, as I am, to my discredit, too nice to them. Indeed, I let Tian Tian stay on because outside of the act, she was just cute to have around, really tried to communicate with Google translate. So. If you don't care for sex, and want to try and figure out how Tian Tian was so naughty she got thrown out of school to become a little hooker, well give her a try. I wouldn't, but good luck to her.
Saturday was the footie with other fellows, most of whom would be at the party that night, including some great guys I had met last year. After the massage was a walk back to the hotel, a little rest and then on to the Mayflower for flower street at 5:30. The girls just kind of drifted out to the floor, and I was very unhappy with the bad vibes (or as Dave would say, I have the bad vibes; NO. The reality is that they have bad vibes for gweilo / laowai. Again, if you have got the language it will most certainly help. Still, there were a few friendly, and cute ones, so all was not lost. One girl I fancied was no longer available after I had made another circle round, so, as they say, pick first and decide later, as you've got 10 minutes to throw the (dead, as it will turn out to be later in bed) fish back into the sea. I did not and lost out. But with Dave on my wing, I did happen upon another one, very very pretty."Well, at least she's not afraid of you," said Dave. Well, that would be good enough.
In the party room Ching Ching was a sweetheart, the party room, at least She's 22 from Hubei, and Saturday was her third night on the job (I suspect it is not her first KTV gig, though, as she knew the drill. To a degree). Our room was bigger, with about 7-9 guys and probably 14 girls. Again, I would pick one girl only, which would be my SOP at a KTV, as I think two girls are a distraction, particularly because of the language barrier. Generally, my experience is that I know which I'm going to pick for the act within 15 minutes, so I see no need for the extra body (or expense).
So in the room, Ching Ching and I are getting along well. She had changed into her street clothes when her "mommie" came in to talk with her, an extended conversation; I had not paid any heed to mommie on flower street. It was obvious that these mommies have a lot of sway over the girls, a very wierd pimpstress deal. So mommie gave me a hug and a few minutes later Ching Ching disappeared. Dave explained to me that Ching Ching was leaving and that I wouldn't have to pay the sitting fee as she wanted to leave."WHAT? WTF?" I pretty much wigged out over this and said to myself, well, fuck it. This is the last straw with the KTV deal. I told Dave to set off after the girl to see at least what the hell was going on, where I had gone wrong (well, of course I had not!)
Turned out that Dave, whom I now call BSDstard, was pulling my leg. He know how to press my button, that guy.
Back at the hotel Ching Ching (flattest chest of any girl I have ever had, I mean flatter than the Earth in pre-Columbus days; luckily it isn't a deal-killer for me, and she had some nice nipples). Furthermore, she actually let me lick them, and allowed DATY, though any suggestion of a blowjob was met with rebuke. Folks, this is what you can expect from these girls, so be warned. Perhap the older ones (and I did have 28 year old last year who did suck cock). Oh well, compared with Tian Tian, Ching Ching was a fucking Olympic gymnast, as she permitted. Get this, mish (oh boy oh boy) , doggie and cowgirl. Downright exotic over the previous evening. But a total dead fish in bed. It was a fairly early evening (before midnight) when we retired. We had agreed, via Dave, on her leaving at 10 a. M. For "LT", but after the evening round. I intended to confirm this, at which point she started yammering about "wu dian".5 a. M. I insisted on 10, and twice got her assent.
She was restless, fidgeting in bed, and I assume wasn't tired. Sure enough, at 5 a. M. She muttered something. Sheesh, but I was not surprised. I let her know that I was going to get my "zou ai" in and then she could get the & out of there. Another deadfish round, shower and she was out of there with my charitable donation of 1000 renminbi.
By reading the whinging posts on this thread about the attitudes of girls, well, I would have to agree. I am sorry to say that if you do not speak Mandarin you will probably not have the time of your life here, unless you have just been released from Sex Prison, in which case anything better than a wank will do. The problem is you have so many choices within a two hour flight, let alone a two-hour train ride. I am going back to my Indonesians in Hong Kong, and will silently say a word of thanks to their parents for having them.
(Now I did meet MasterMonger in CP; he insists that there is a whole new world of Chinese pussy out there somewhere. I am convinced, based on his nasty photos and videos. Unfortunately, he is in them, too.that they exist).
Anyhow, thanks BSD and the other guys for putting up with me. I did have fun in the party room, chatting over the massages, etc). It's just that the scene with the girls (or from the other side, my deficiencies, however you look at it) might not be my top choice until I can master the language.
Thanks for the great report. It's true, if you can't speak Mandarin, you are at a great disadvantage. Kudos for going and checking it out though.
LAMonkey.
It's Sunday morning and I am sitting here in my room at the CP Peninsula, killing time before the next MTR train to HK, so thought I'd fire off a couple lines about the laowai / gweilo KTV experience. Arrived Friday afternoon and met BSD, my usual Changping "fixer" who arranged the hotel room (2 nights at 320 renminbi including breakfast for one per day; I recommend this hotel, fair but not cheap by any means, as it is comfortable and convenient. Yes, the Swan Lake and a couple other places are closer to BBS joints, but the Peninsula is still walkable seasonally) ; two nights of KTV and two massage sessions (one a 100-minute body massage at Pozilim, not bad; the second day a two hour foot massage with six other partiers and Dave).
Please report back if this place is worth visiting. I've heard the same about DanShui. Thanks.
LAMonkey
Some of us actually enjoy unique country flavors once in a while away from the boring city routines.
Actually heard from a few seasoned bros, that Dong Xing has large supply of pretty young girls worth spending a few vacation days.
Will be there in a few weeks.
(Now I did meet MasterMonger in CP; he insists that there is a whole new world of Chinese pussy out there somewhere. I am convinced, based on his nasty photos and videos. Unfortunately, he is in them, too. That they exist).Great report. Sorry you didn't have a supa-great time, but dude, it was a weekend that's pretty good. Expensive, but good overall. .
Let's find that new world! I'm all for it. Find it, explore it, and keep it a secret! When I found out about CP, it was "already" commercialized, or so they say, so I wouldn't know. But I do see more and more buses full of fuckin tourists as I continue going to CP. What a crock.
But the new world may be more scared of foreigners or those who don't speak the language. New World is out there, but it's another word for local and very unmodernized. Perhaps they would only cater to Chinese and not to anyone else? Perhaps the local mafia controls things much rougher and without restraint. CP is runned by the mafia, but it's pretty controlled and in monger's favor in the overall scheme of things. I don't know about other places, but it's a dark world with the p4p business.
Not to be discouraging but more cautious and discreet. But yeah, it's time to Go West.
Wikki Wikki wild wild West!
Some of us actually enjoy unique country flavors once in a while away from the boring city routines.
Actually heard from a few seasoned bros, that Dong Xing has large supply of pretty young girls worth spending a few vacation days.
Will be there in a few weeks.Please do report. Looking forward to it!
Is Dong Xing in Guang Xi? I went to Guiling and it was pretty westernized with a few coffee shops and university girls all over (or was I in another city?) Not sure.
I have heard of Guang Xi from my business partners who are Taiwanese. Not sure what area they're in since China is huge and I think Guang Xi is a huge region. But it does seem promising with decent tourist attractions and a good number of investors to maintain the demand for KTVs, BBSs, and freelancers in the area.
Marcus Paulus
06-12-12, 12:54
I visited Pozolim on Saturday for a HK massage. While lying on my stomach the cutie massaged my nuts and surroundings which I have experienced there many times before; I was pleasantly surprised when she began to massage my shaft, which was a first for me here and resulted in an instant boner; it felt really good, more than just sexually arousing. I did not want the happy ending though as I had planned a sauna visit for later. If she had continued a little longer my soldiers would have marched on without authorization. She spoke a little English and was very friendly.
Mit Fo Lfe
06-12-12, 23:42
I visited Pozolim on Saturday for a HK massage. While lying on my stomach the cutie massaged my nuts and surroundings which I have experienced there many times before; I was pleasantly surprised when she began to massage my shaft, which was a first for me here and resulted in an instant boner; it felt really good, more than just sexually arousing. I did not want the happy ending though as I had planned a sauna visit for later. If she had continued a little longer my soldiers would have marched on without authorization. She spoke a little English and was very friendly.That's the first incident that I've heard of that actually happening. Interesting
SE Asia Joe
06-13-12, 02:23
That's the first incident that I've heard of that actually happening. InterestingYeah, "INTERESTING" to say the least.
For if so, me-thinks it would signal the beginning of the end for PZL.
SEAN
LukeSkywalker
06-13-12, 02:52
There is air service to Nanning, a major town in Guang Xi, then a 2-hour bus ride to Dong Xing, a border town with Mong Cai, Vietnam.
Round trip airfare from Shenzhen (SZX) to Nanning (NNG) can be booked on CTRIP. COM for about 1, 200Y or $200 for most days.
However, since this is a new territory without info for locations, prices, quality and services, we need a few bros with good command of Mandarin to scout the locations and report details.
A few friends were on a bus tour. They mention Dong Xin in Guang Xi and her sister town, Mong cai, have a lot of young and beautiful girls. Local rates are about 30 RMB short time and 100 RMB all night.
We should all pack up, run away from Chang Ping and go West, where young pussies are plentiful.
EastCoast11
06-13-12, 08:32
I visited Pozolim on Saturday for a HK massage. While lying on my stomach the cutie massaged my nuts and surroundings which I have experienced there many times before; I was pleasantly surprised when she began to massage my shaft, which was a first for me here and resulted in an instant boner; it felt really good, more than just sexually arousing. I did not want the happy ending though as I had planned a sauna visit for later. If she had continued a little longer my soldiers would have marched on without authorization. She spoke a little English and was very friendly.What is a HK style massage? Do you remember the cuties tag number?
Marcus Paulus
06-14-12, 03:00
What is a HK style massage? Do you remember the cuties tag number?I don't think we should make too much of this incident. I don't recall her tag number but even if I did I would not want to disclose it to get her in trouble if indeed what she did would get her in trouble. I do not speak or read Chinese and at every visit to Pozolim I am presented with four options. (1) Chinese massage; (2) Hong Kong massage; (3) Thai massage and (4) foot massage. The Chinese massage includes the use of oils and hot stones. The HK massage begins with massage with a 'towel' on your back but does include the use of some oil later. Both HK and Chinese massage include massage of the cojones with you lying face down (am I right guys?). That has been my experience at PZL. What she did was not really a hand job (I. E. Jacking off) , just a massage of the pecker that got me really excited.
Ever since PZL opened their doors in 2008, I have been a die hard customer there. I use to do their HK massages and stay in the room overnight back when they first opened. Before, the girls will massage your huts and sides near your LB, but will fall short of stroking it. I think they did this in the past so that it will get you to add more hours with them, so they get a bigger commission cut. So it's just sort of a tease, but nothing more. I fell for this trick many times. Had the same masseuse and kept on adding hours even 3-4 hours and no HE. I was kinda pissed! Had to take care of it at the sauna across the street at the Virgin.
But it's the first I've heard of them actively jacking you off and stroking LB. But then again, times are tough. Many places are complaining that business has been down recently in comparison to last year. So perhaps girls are resorting to other tactics to get some extra tips or something.
What was the number of your masseuse, perhaps I would try her next time and see if I will get such a great extra service treatment.
AsnDragon.
I visited Pozolim on Saturday for a HK massage. While lying on my stomach the cutie massaged my nuts and surroundings which I have experienced there many times before; I was pleasantly surprised when she began to massage my shaft, which was a first for me here and resulted in an instant boner; it felt really good, more than just sexually arousing. I did not want the happy ending though as I had planned a sauna visit for later. If she had continued a little longer my soldiers would have marched on without authorization. She spoke a little English and was very friendly.
Marcus Paulus
06-15-12, 03:10
Ever since PZL opened their doors in 2008, I have been a die hard customer there. I use to do their HK massages and stay in the room overnight back when they first opened. Before, the girls will massage your huts and sides near your LB, but will fall short of stroking it. I think they did this in the past so that it will get you to add more hours with them, so they get a bigger commission cut. So it's just sort of a tease, but nothing more. I fell for this trick many times. Had the same masseuse and kept on adding hours even 3-4 hours and no HE. I was kinda pissed! Had to take care of it at the sauna across the street at the Virgin.
But it's the first I've heard of them actively jacking you off and stroking LB. But then again, times are tough. Many places are complaining that business has been down recently in comparison to last year. So perhaps girls are resorting to other tactics to get some extra tips or something.
What was the number of your masseuse, perhaps I would try her next time and see if I will get such a great extra service treatment.
AsnDragon.Frankly when I'm in PZL I just need a massage with no frills, I'm quite satisfied with the happy ending at the saunas. Were I to meet a masseuse like her in sex prison I would certainly want multiple repeats. I know it doesn't help much but the best I can do is that she was 5' 2'/5'3' and spoke a little English. Actually, she's the first masseuse I've met there who spoke any English.
Jimmy Boy 99
06-15-12, 05:40
am staying at sun kong hotel (where the clothes market street starts, two streets from the hui mei hotel).186 yuan double (205 yuan on saturday).100 yuan deposit, with free in-room wi-fi, but no desk and no breakfast. room is large, comfortable, quiet (there is a very faint noise from the night cub on the third floor but not really noticeable, and can be avoided altogether by getting a room on the fifth floor). one or two ladies at the desk or supervisor station speak marginal english. phone # is (0769) 38996688.
found a massage place next to the virgin hotel annex. 50 yuan for 60 minute (turned out to be 50 minutes) therapeutic massage. 68 yuan for 80 minutes, and 108 yuan for 140 minutes. not a spa experience like pozolim, just a straight massage, although i was given an iced coffee and fruit (none of which i had asked for). massage was mostly the girl poking me with her thumbs since she did not use any oil, but it was ok for the price.
jimmy boy.
sun kong hotel? what's the chinese for that again? you said it's 2 streets from hui mei, are you referring to the road where mitos restaurant is at? and then go down two streets? i've never heard of sun kong hotel before.
actually there's quite a few decently priced hotels in cp.
1. peace hotel by 6 thousand restaurant.
2. yue he hotel, next to hui hua.
3. jia mei hotel, next to hui mei.
4. lucky hotel.
5. ying feng hotel across from tian he department store.
it's just that after staying in the top hotels, it's harder to revert back to the not-so-good hotels.
but i'll have to do more research on sun kong hotel.
pzl- is just got guys who want better looking girls, touching their feet, as many don't know how to do a good foot massage. but there are other places i find that really do good foot massages-
qian zu ge.
swan lake hotel footie.
those are my top two in cp honestly. all other places really don't know how to give good foot massages.
asndragon.
am staying at sun kong hotel (where the clothes market street starts, two streets from the hui mei hotel).186 yuan double (205 yuan on saturday).100 yuan deposit, with free in-room wi-fi, but no desk and no breakfast. room is large, comfortable, quiet (there is a very faint noise from the night cub on the third floor but not really noticeable, and can be avoided altogether by getting a room on the fifth floor). one or two ladies at the desk or supervisor station speak marginal english. phone # is (0769) 38996688.
found a massage place next to the virgin hotel annex. 50 yuan for 60 minute (turned out to be 50 minutes) therapeutic massage. 68 yuan for 80 minutes, and 108 yuan for 140 minutes. not a spa experience like pozolim, just a straight massage, although i was given an iced coffee and fruit (none of which i had asked for). massage was mostly the girl poking me with her thumbs since she did not use any oil, but it was ok for the price.
SE Asia Joe
06-15-12, 07:14
Jimmy boy.
Sun kong hotel? What's the Chinese for that again? You said it's 2 streets from Hui Mei, are you referring to the road where Mitos restaurant is at? And then go down two streets? I've never heard of Sun Kong Hotel before.
Actually there's quite a few decently priced hotels in CP.
1y top two in CP honestly. All other places really don't know how to give good foot massages.
AsnDragon.NO, the Sun Kong is that old hotel behind those telephone stores with the LOUD speakers as you get to the end of DongXing Lu (from the SWL area to the main part of CP) , and before you get to Shih Chang Lu where the Huaren mall is at. It is at the entrance of the Walking / ladies street.
On hotels in China. And especially Chang Ping, you can sometimes get a further RMB 10 or so off from your best negotiated price if you tell them that you don't need a FaPiu (official receipt). Try it next time. No harm right?
SEAN
Jimmy Boy 99
06-15-12, 14:14
Jimmy boy.
Sun kong hotel? What's the Chinese for that again? You said it's 2 streets from Hui Mei, are you referring to the road where Mitos restaurant is at? And then go down two streets? I've never heard of Sun Kong Hotel before.
AsnDragon.Across the street from the Hui Mei is Cafe 85. Facing the cafe, the street on the right is Xinnan 1 Jie. Go up that street. At the end of the block is China Construction Bank on your left. Go up one more street where it dead-ends into Dongxing Lu. Make a left before you get to Dongxing Lu. The street is Xinshi 1 Jie. You can see the pedestrian street with the people selling clothes from there. The hotel is the building with the huge lobby. It has a very popular restaurant, judging from the crowd that was there at 11PM last night, as well a a fairly large KTV, from the 20 or so DJs lining the staircase from the lobby to the third floor. Also, the correct phone number is 18926845454.
I didn't notice before, but the room I have doesn't have a refrigerator, but it does have a hot tea maker.
Marcus Paulus
06-16-12, 02:33
KTV Min Spending Lounge Hostess Category Remarks.
Plutocrat (Fu Hao) ¥388 Yes 2-6-9 13. 6-s 13-7-11/44045 Flower street. Half naked hostess_ Add tip Y50. Petrtelyoung variety.
Mayflower (Wan Yi) ¥688' Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.11/4. 9.13 Flower street. Biggest KTV in CP.
Eurasia (Ou Ya) ¥680' No 3. 7.10/4. 10. 13/5. 15. 20 Flower street. Officially opened on 27109109. Posh Hotel:IC,
Jia Yi (Tao Yuan) ¥588" Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 1 5. 13-18 Flower street. Reopened on 29/03/12. Legendary KTV making a comeback.
Yi Hao ¥680* No 2. 6.9 I 3-7-10/4-10-15 Flower street. Officially opened on 14/12110. Posh Hotel:KT,
Amazon (Fan Er Sal) ¥388* Yes 2. 6.9/4. 7.10 Flower street. Full naked hostess 4-7-10.
Royal Garden (Di Hao) ¥988* No 44-13/5-15-20/8-20-30/10-50-100 Flower street. 30min away from CP. Posh NotelliCV in Dalang.
Hui Hua ¥380* Yes 3. 6.9/3. 7.10/3. 8.12 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Peninsula (Ban Dao) ¥580* Yes 244 1 3-7-10/4-9-13/54045 No flower street. Old favourrte of many. Newly renovated rooms.
Hai Xia ¥488* Yes 2. 6.9/3. 6.10 Flower street. Nice rooms and hardware. Hostess qualsty improving.
Tangxia Hui Hua ¥688* No 34-12 1 4-1045/5-15-20 Flower street. Officially opened on 10/09111. Posh Hotel / KW in Tangxia.
Manhattan ¥488* No 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 Flower street. Economical drinks pricing. Braless hostess 3•7•10.
Miraton Y580* No 2. 5.8/3. 6.9 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Crown Prince (Tai Zi) ¥368* Yes 3-5-313-8-10 1 3-8-12 1 5-15-20 Flower street. 20min away from CP. Old Posh HotelIC-1 / in Huangjiang.
Park Hyatt (Bo Yue) ¥680* Yes 2. 6.9 13-7-10 13-8-12 Flower street. Officially opened on 29111/10.
King Long (Jin Lang) ¥380* Yes 2. 5.8/3. 6.9/4. 7.10 No flower street. Economical drinks pricing.
Good View (Ban Shan) ¥680* Yes 2-54 1 3. 8-121 3-16-20 1 5-20-25 Flower street. San Shan K71 is at Tangxia. 50min away from CP.
Ok, I know which hotel you are talking about now. There's usually lots of Mini-bread vans outside. It's surrounded by two stores that sell android phones near the pedestrian outdoor mall.
I have never been inside there before, but I have eaten the sour spicy noodle soup in the restaurant three to four stores down though.
AsnDragon.
NO, the Sun Kong is that old hotel behind those telephone stores with the LOUD speakers as you get to the end of DongXing Lu (from the SWL area to the main part of CP) , and before you get to Shih Chang Lu where the Huaren mall is at. It is at the entrance of the Walking / ladies street.
On hotels in China. And especially Chang Ping, you can sometimes get a further RMB 10 or so off from your best negotiated price if you tell them that you don't need a FaPiu (official receipt). Try it next time. No harm right?
SEAN
Marcus.
Where are you getting all of this info from? Just curious.
Manhattan KTV use to have bra-less category amongst their lineup of girls, but they haven't had that bra-less category since 1. 5 years ago if I remember correctly. I have a friend who loved manhattan and always invites me over. But I cannot for the life of me, ever pick a girl at Manhattan KTV that I really like. Their quality of girls have gone down int he past 3-4 years they have been open. Progressively getting worse every passing year.
Be careful at Manhattan as they have "high rooms" where people go there do do drugs and get high.
Any place in China with drugs=stay away.
You get caught with a working girl= time in jail and fine is the worst!
You get caught with drugs or people involved with drugs=death penalty.
Be safe! And happy mongering!
AsnDragon.
KTV Min Spending Lounge Hostess Category Remarks.
Plutocrat (Fu Hao) ¥388 Yes 2-6-9 13. 6-s 13-7-11/44045 Flower street. Half naked hostess_ Add tip Y50. Petrtelyoung variety.
Mayflower (Wan Yi) ¥688' Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.11/4. 9.13 Flower street. Biggest KTV in CP.
Eurasia (Ou Ya) ¥680' No 3. 7.10/4. 10. 13/5. 15. 20 Flower street. Officially opened on 27109109. Posh Hotel:IC,
Jia Yi (Tao Yuan) ¥588" Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 1 5. 13-18 Flower street. Reopened on 29/03/12. Legendary KTV making a comeback.
Yi Hao ¥680* No 2. 6.9 I 3-7-10/4-10-15 Flower street. Officially opened on 14/12110. Posh Hotel:KT,
Amazon (Fan Er Sal) ¥388* Yes 2. 6.9/4. 7.10 Flower street. Full naked hostess 4-7-10.
Royal Garden (Di Hao) ¥988* No 44-13/5-15-20/8-20-30/10-50-100 Flower street. 30min away from CP. Posh NotelliCV in Dalang.
Hui Hua ¥380* Yes 3. 6.9/3. 7.10/3. 8.12 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Peninsula (Ban Dao) ¥580* Yes 244 1 3-7-10/4-9-13/54045 No flower street. Old favourrte of many. Newly renovated rooms.
Hai Xia ¥488* Yes 2. 6.9/3. 6.10 Flower street. Nice rooms and hardware. Hostess qualsty improving.
Tangxia Hui Hua ¥688* No 34-12 1 4-1045/5-15-20 Flower street. Officially opened on 10/09111. Posh Hotel / KW in Tangxia.
Manhattan ¥488* No 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 Flower street. Economical drinks pricing. Braless hostess 3•7•10.
Miraton Y580* No 2. 5.8/3. 6.9 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Crown Prince (Tai Zi) ¥368* Yes 3-5-313-8-10 1 3-8-12 1 5-15-20 Flower street. 20min away from CP. Old Posh HotelIC-1 / in Huangjiang.
Park Hyatt (Bo Yue) ¥680* Yes 2. 6.9 13-7-10 13-8-12 Flower street. Officially opened on 29111/10.
King Long (Jin Lang) ¥380* Yes 2. 5.8/3. 6.9/4. 7.10 No flower street. Economical drinks pricing.
Good View (Ban Shan) ¥680* Yes 2-54 1 3. 8-121 3-16-20 1 5-20-25 Flower street. San Shan K71 is at Tangxia. 50min away from CP.
Marcus.
Where are you getting all of this info from? Just curious.
Manhattan KTV use to have bra-less category amongst their lineup of girls, but they haven't had that bra-less category since 1. 5 years ago if I remember correctly. I have a friend who loved manhattan and always invites me over. But I cannot for the life of me, ever pick a girl at Manhattan KTV that I really like. Their quality of girls have gone down int he past 3-4 years they have been open. Progressively getting worse every passing year.
Be careful at Manhattan as they have "high rooms" where people go there do do drugs and get high.
Any place in China with drugs=stay away.
You get caught with a working girl= time in jail and fine is the worst!
You get caught with drugs or people involved with drugs=death penalty.
Be safe! And happy mongering!
AsnDragon.
KTV Min Spending Lounge Hostess Category Remarks.
Plutocrat (Fu Hao) ¥388 Yes 2-6-9 13. 6-s 13-7-11/44045 Flower street. Half naked hostess_ Add tip Y50. Petrtelyoung variety.
Mayflower (Wan Yi) ¥688' Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.11/4. 9.13 Flower street. Biggest KTV in CP.
Eurasia (Ou Ya) ¥680' No 3. 7.10/4. 10. 13/5. 15. 20 Flower street. Officially opened on 27109109. Posh Hotel:IC,
Jia Yi (Tao Yuan) ¥588" Yes 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 1 5. 13-18 Flower street. Reopened on 29/03/12. Legendary KTV making a comeback.
Yi Hao ¥680* No 2. 6.9 I 3-7-10/4-10-15 Flower street. Officially opened on 14/12110. Posh Hotel:KT,
Amazon (Fan Er Sal) ¥388* Yes 2. 6.9/4. 7.10 Flower street. Full naked hostess 4-7-10.
Royal Garden (Di Hao) ¥988* No 44-13/5-15-20/8-20-30/10-50-100 Flower street. 30min away from CP. Posh NotelliCV in Dalang.
Hui Hua ¥380* Yes 3. 6.9/3. 7.10/3. 8.12 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Peninsula (Ban Dao) ¥580* Yes 244 1 3-7-10/4-9-13/54045 No flower street. Old favourrte of many. Newly renovated rooms.
Hai Xia ¥488* Yes 2. 6.9/3. 6.10 Flower street. Nice rooms and hardware. Hostess qualsty improving.
Tangxia Hui Hua ¥688* No 34-12 1 4-1045/5-15-20 Flower street. Officially opened on 10/09111. Posh Hotel / KW in Tangxia.
Manhattan ¥488* No 2. 6.9/3. 7.10 Flower street. Economical drinks pricing. Braless hostess 3•7•10.
Miraton Y580* No 2. 5.8/3. 6.9 No flower street. Located at the heart of the town. Value for money.
Crown Prince (Tai Zi) ¥368* Yes 3-5-313-8-10 1 3-8-12 1 5-15-20 Flower street. 20min away from CP. Old Posh HotelIC-1 / in Huangjiang.
Park Hyatt (Bo Yue) ¥680* Yes 2. 6.9 13-7-10 13-8-12 Flower street. Officially opened on 29111/10.
King Long (Jin Lang) ¥380* Yes 2. 5.8/3. 6.9/4. 7.10 No flower street. Economical drinks pricing.
Good View (Ban Shan) ¥680* Yes 2-54 1 3. 8-121 3-16-20 1 5-20-25 Flower street. San Shan K71 is at Tangxia. 50min away from CP.
Worldguy72
06-16-12, 18:09
It was in the local Changping TV news about a month ago that the city of Changping will do their best to enforce the yellow Changping cabs to turn the meters on. They even posted a phone number to complain if you see ones that don't. Apparently a lot of drivers still negotiate price first but even they know the rules because they know the majority doesn't know the new rules. This was broadcast in local Cantonese.
Yes. And no unfortunately!
What you describe does happen, but only some times whilst at other times, its the same old taxis either only wanting to go back to wherever they are from or demanding extortionate rates.
I'm not sure when and how this is enforced. But just that its only sporadic.
Anybody know for sure when / what to look for before getting into a taxi and before getting in an argument with these taxi drivers? Something which had happened to me just recently.
SEAJ
Marcus Paulus
06-17-12, 03:44
Marcus.
Where are you getting all of this info from? Just curious.
Manhattan KTV use to have bra-less category amongst their lineup of girls, but they haven't had that bra-less category since 1. 5 years ago if I remember correctly. I have a friend who loved manhattan and always invites me over. But I cannot for the life of me, ever pick a girl at Manhattan KTV that I really like. Their quality of girls have gone down int he past 3-4 years they have been open. Progressively getting worse every passing year.
Be careful at Manhattan as they have "high rooms" where people go there do do drugs and get high.
Any place in China with drugs=stay away.
You get caught with a working girl= time in jail and fine is the worst!
You get caught with drugs or people involved with drugs=death penalty.
Be safe! And happy mongering!
AsnDragon.Got info from research, not personal experience. Any corrections welcome. So adjustments can be made.
Jettsetter
06-17-12, 09:06
it was in the local changping tv news about a month ago that the city of changping will do their best to enforce the yellow changping cabs to turn the meters on. they even posted a phone number to complain if you see ones that don't. apparently a lot of drivers still negotiate price first but even they know the rules because they know the majority doesn't know the new rules. this was broadcast in local cantonese.does anyone have this number. would love to have it on speed dial the next time i get a taxi that does this.
LukeSkywalker
06-17-12, 17:13
Official taxi rate between the train station and most locations in Chang Ping is 15Y. The distance is about 7-10 miles, costing him about half a gallon of gas. I don't know how much it costs for a half gallon of gas in Chang Ping, but it looks hard to make a profit.
The guy we picked up at the train station never turned on his meter and wanted 20Y to take us to the hotel. I just gave him 20Y note. Would have given him the change any way. There were a dozen cars and taxis, waiting around the hotel, selling rides at any time. Does not look like anyone uses official meters.
On the way back, negotiated a sigh-seeing tour of Chang Ping to the shopping center, the night market and main street with the HuiHua and Miraton hotels, then back to the train station, all for 50Y. The driver recommended a Sauna but ran out of time and did not partake. It was not a bad deal.
LukeSkywalker
06-17-12, 17:32
Checked into the hotel and went to the KTV at about 8PM. A few line ups were brought in. She was a young girl with a pretty face, a sweet smile and a lean, lanky body wrapped in her KTV dress. She was a 3/7/10 girl. Mamasan said she would stay until 10AM the next morning.
Picked her for the KTV party. After the 10-minute trial period, she asked to go change into her street clothes. She came back wearing jean and a frilly top. She was a nice and pleasant girl, but she resisted my squeezing her boobs and her crotch, and never gave me more than a few pecks on my lips.
Took her back to the room at about 2AM. She had a very nice body with light, unblemished skin under her clothes. Had a passionate session with her in missionary without deep kissing or any kinky acts. She's a typical conservative good girl.
Fell asleep. She woke my up with gentle poking. Looked at the watch and it was 4:30AM. She said something very long tome and gestured that she wanted to leave. She wrote down a few words in Chinese and gave it to me, but I understood squat. I was disappointed not having another session with her. Called a bro and asked him to interpret. She had to go. I told the bro I had only 1 shot and wanted to pay ST rate 700Y. She agreed.
She put her clothes on and got ready to leave. I gave her 700Y. She was a sweet girl, her face showed remorse. She said "I am sorry," a few times.
She went to the bro's room, knocked on the door and said sorry to him too. Turned out she had to go home, change clothed and be at her English class by 8AM. I felt sad for the poor thing. She spent 9 hours with me for 700Y, not a good way to make money. I wished I could speak her language to understand her better.
What a pretty, nice, sweet girl. I could have treated her better, may be meeting her again for more fun.
does anyone have this number. would love to have it on speed dial the next time i get a taxi that does this.won't do you any good. the number is always busy from everyone calling it, everytime they get into a cab in cp.
SE Asia Joe
06-18-12, 06:50
Official taxi rate between the train station and most locations in Chang Ping is 15Y. The distance is about 7-10 miles, costing him about half a gallon of gas. I don't know how much it costs for a half gallon of gas in Chang Ping, but it looks hard to make a profit.
The guy we picked up at the train station never turned on his meter and wanted 20Y to take us to the hotel. I just gave him 20Y note. Would have given him the change any way. There were a dozen cars and taxis, waiting around the hotel, selling rides at any time. Does not look like anyone uses official meters.
On the way back, negotiated a sigh-seeing tour of Chang Ping to the shopping center, the night market and main street with the HuiHua and Miraton hotels, then back to the train station, all for 50Y. The driver recommended a Sauna but ran out of time and did not partake. It was not a bad deal."Official" taxi rate? LMAO!
Nothing official about RMB 15. Because by meter, which is the real official rate, it would be less than RMB 10 to SWL or the Miraton area.
But I guess not being able to speak the language is quite a barrier for most.
And your tale about the gal you took back. This highlights the problem for us mongers with the new "3-7-10 Scale" for KTV gals. When it was 2-5-8, it was basically even-steven RMB 300 extra to first go back with you and then to extend it to O / N. Nowadays, its only 300 more for O / N whilst RMB 400 extra for ST.
So what can we do?
We've discussed this with some of the mommies / managers etc. But instead their solution (as per what happens at the Mayflower just recently) , is to just increase the rate to 3-7-11! Ooops!
Cain't win for loosin'
SEAN. Sigh!
SE Asia Joe
06-18-12, 10:45
Got info from research, not personal experience. Any corrections welcome. So adjustments can be made.Why not just tell us that its a straight Copy and Paste from a website that ISO9001 put up?
Especially since it specifically states that its copyright / all rights reserved.
Only proper, IMHO, since ISO9001 is running a business for him to get the credit AND the business. No?
SEAN
LukeSkywalker
06-18-12, 15:21
Come to think of it, most all-night girls in China want to leave at about 5AM. There can't be too many English classes at 8AM. Most English classes in China start after 6PM for working adults.
So it's most likely that the girls have young babies under care by someone else, who must be relieved early in the morning to go to work. That's why most girls insist they have to leave around 5AM to go home.
I feel sad for these young girls who are duped by asssholes who would romance, fuck, knock them up, then abandon them with their babies. If I could speak the language and understand their circumstances better, I would give them extras for their troubles.
Overall, Chinese girls are pretty, nice, sweet, gentle. They don't have hardened attitudes like girls in other countries.
She was a nice and pleasant girl, but she resisted my squeezing her boobs and her crotch, and never gave me more than a few pecks on my lips.
Fell asleep. She woke my up with gentle poking. Looked at the watch and it was 4:30AM. She said something very long tome and gestured that she wanted to leave. She wrote down a few words in Chinese and gave it to me, but I understood squat. I was disappointed not having another session with her. Called a bro and asked him to interpret. She had to go. I told the bro I had only 1 shot and wanted to pay ST rate 700Y. She agreed. She put her clothes on and got ready to leave. I gave her 700Y. She was a sweet girl, her face showed remorse. She said "I am sorry," a few times.
She went to the bro's room, knocked on the door and said sorry to him too. Turned out she had to go home, change clothed and be at her English class by 8AM. I felt sad for the poor thing. She spent 9 hours with me for 700Y, not a good way to make money. I wished I could speak her language to understand her better.
Come to think of it, most all-night girls in China want to leave at about 5AM. There can't be too many English classes at 8AM. Most English classes in China start after 6PM for working adults.Maybe it was me calling her over for a booty call at 4 am. Haha. No, I'm kidding.
You did well, overall. She stayed with you for a long time for 700 rmb and parted on good terms. It's much better than her bugging you till you let her leave and raise a ruckus with extra tips. But overall, looks like you ended the night nicely.
I agree that girls, and girls of China in general, get the short end of the stick. From parents who wanted a son to boyfriends who use them emotionally and physically to mommies who pretty much promise the world just for the guy to pick them, it's a hard life. Sometimes it's a treat for the girls to meet a considerate guy who can be understanding. (to a degree, of course).
LukeSkywalker
06-18-12, 20:10
The poor girl stayed up all night watching TV while I was sleeping like a log. Her surprised early departure did screw up my sex schedule.
If I had known she had to leave by 5AM, I would have scheduled in 3 or 4 shots with her before she left. She would have her LT rate and I would have the good time I wanted. Both of us would have been happier.
The overnight deal was arranged by a Putonghoa-speaking bro with a mommy in a good sized KTV. There was no misunderstanding, only freaking lies my these shameless, slimy mommies. Let the bros be forewarned to confirm the girls' departure time again and again before picking them.
So I will avoid this slimy KTV with its lying mommies in the future.
You did well, overall. She stayed with you for a long time for 700 rmb and parted on good terms. It's much better than her bugging you till you let her leave and raise a ruckus with extra tips. But overall, looks like you ended the night nicely.
I agree that girls, and girls of China in general, get the short end of the stick. From parents who wanted a son to boyfriends who use them emotionally and physically to mommies who pretty much promise the world just for the guy to pick them, it's a hard life. Sometimes it's a treat for the girls to meet a considerate guy who can be understanding. (to a degree, of course).
The poor girl stayed up all night watching TV while I was sleeping like a log. Her surprised early departure did screw up my sex schedule.
If I had known she had to leave by 5AM, I would have scheduled in 3 or 4 shots with her before she left. She would have her LT rate and I would have the good time I wanted. Both of us would have been happier.
The overnight deal was arranged by a Putonghoa-speaking bro with a mommy in a good sized KTV. There was no misunderstanding, only freaking lies my these shameless, slimy mommies. Let the bros be forewarned to confirm the girls' departure time again and again before picking them.
So I will avoid this slimy KTV with its lying mommies in the future.The girl can't so no to the mommie to the overnight or she can get fined and at Yihao is is pretty large fine.
Mommie can get fined also for that.
As for the 5am she could have had English classes at 8am I know they have them that early in CP near lucky hotel.
Also she could have a baby that she needed to get home to.
Or she could be living with her parents, sneaking in before they awake (I have had 3 girls recently like this.
Where they actually live at home sneak out to party.). For us that like LT, we screw up their 'plan' to sneak out.
Party and get back. Always ask at the beginning of the night and confirm with mommie.
Alot of guys prefer to sleep alone, and only do ST, and save the extra 300-400 for the sauna the next day (hey.
That overnight + 200 gets you a decent sauna! ). I would say that 60-70% of guys to ST with girls based.
On random survey, the LT number increases on Friday and Saturday. But for weeknights alot of ST.
LukeSkywalker
06-20-12, 16:16
My girl never spoke 1 word in English. She could not even say yes or No. I doubt she's ever in an English class. By 4:30 AM she got very worried. So it must be something a lot more important than an English class. Perhaps her BF or her mother expects her to relieve him in the morning
The Putonghoa-speaking bro picked a little girl from Hunan. She was supposed to be new in town, first day in the business etc. She also bolted at around 5AM. She must have given him a big excuse, as the bro would not let the girls get off the hooks that easily.
Sorry to hear the KTV girls are subject to some many difficult demands in their jobs.
I also know a few other good Chinese girls who have to work hard and long to pay family expenses, taking care of babies after work, cooking, cleaning etc. While the unemployed husbands hang out drinking, gambling with friends, screwing other women. They all know they are abused and taken advantage of, but few broke off their terrible marriages.
The girl can't so no to the mommie to the overnight or she can get fined and at Yihao is is pretty large fine.
Mommie can get fined also for that.
As for the 5am she could have had English classes at 8am I know they have them that early in CP near lucky hotel.
Also she could have a baby that she needed to get home to.
Or she could be living with her parents, sneaking in before they awake (I have had 3 girls recently like this.
SE Asia Joe
06-21-12, 07:16
Yes those info is from my website.
I'd appreciate it if anyone who wants to use the price guide info to quote the source.
But really got to admire Marcus Paulus for his diligence in typing out the whole chunk of text from my price guide as it's an image file.
Hahaha.Actually no. As I had been able to just copy and paste the information.
Maybe you should look into making your site more immune from unauthorized usage of your information / make sure that you at least do get a "plug" if such info had been used.
SEAN. Just a li'l heads up!
Worldguy72
06-21-12, 14:28
Is it just me or has anyone noticed the CRH train ride from Shenzhen to Dongguan used to be faster. If I remembered correctly it used to be 30 min and now recently it's around 40 min and it slows right down after 5 min departure from SZ for a slight distance. Does anyone know if it has to do with the CRH crash last year?
Is it just me or has anyone noticed the CRH train ride from Shenzhen to Dongguan used to be faster. If I remembered correctly it used to be 30 min and now recently it's around 40 min and it slows right down after 5 min departure from SZ for a slight distance. Does anyone know if it has to do with the CRH crash last year?When did you notice this? Last time I was on the train it was 30 minutes to get to Shenzhen from CP. Where you coming in from ShiLong Dongguan?
Sometimes when there is a problem, like train delay it is a bit slower, due to heavy rainstorm etc.
AsnDragon
SE Asia Joe
06-23-12, 05:43
When did you notice this? Last time I was on the train it was 30 minutes to get to Shenzhen from CP. Where you coming in from ShiLong Dongguan?
Sometimes when there is a problem, like train delay it is a bit slower, due to heavy rainstorm etc.
AsnDragonI think that worldguy is probably correct as I also have noticed that it's taking me close to 35-40 minutes between Luohu and CP.
I had previously timed the train when it first started and it was only 27 minutes, and I think even 24 minutes when it didn't stop at ZhangMouTou (when it first started not all trains stopped at all the intermediate stops. Which it does now).
Plus of course in those days (sigh. A year or two ago only and I'm already waxing lyrical about "those days!") one didn't really need to line up to get the ticket as one needs to nowadays do AND the trains were of course newer, cleaner and of course less packed.
SEAN
Jim Traveller
06-23-12, 08:16
Yeah, Freepeaks is right on. LT is basically a waste of money or an investment in a relationship. Many guys, who are not 28-yr old Swedish blondes like SE Joe, many not want to force a morning session on their overworked little brother anyways.
A perhaps more balanced approach is that:
1. If you are happy with the 1st shot and like to see the girl again, send the girl home after a ST session, but with the full LT Fee in lieu of tipping. That enhances your chances of even better service the next time around. Don't look at the LT vs ST differential as a waste, but look at it as an investment.
2. If the 1st shot is medicore and you are not likely to see the same girl again, by all means send her away and save your Chairman Maos. A fool and his Chairman Maos are welcomed everywhere in CP - just like a client and his money on Wall Street. Don't waste it on an unwilling girl.
3. If the 1st shot is passable and you wonder if you should keep her around to see whether her performance (or your stamina) will improve in the morning. Well, don't. Chances are that the morning shot will not be anywhere near good because the girl is thinking she is doing overtime.
4. The only time one should keep a girl overnight, is when you actually like hanging out with the girl. And you sense the girl don't mind hanging out with you either. You can tell this by how much voluntary talking she engages in - or on the contrary, by how offen she looks at her phone. With a good rapport you may get good companionship out of your date and explore views of life, love, and the origins of Universe together. It won't be the most enlightened conversation you ever engage in; but you will still find it a memorable evening. Some girls are poor sexual performers. Generally younger and prettier types who can get away with not doing vile things with customer. But they can be spontaneous and alive. In other words, it was not you whom they hate, just the sex. Brothers, generally younger types with harder bodies, have reported girls hanging around and did not appear to be in a rush to leave until late afternoon. For those situations, your LT fare, and may be a tip, is money well spent.
For many brothers, who quickly fell asleep after the 1st shot, and only waking up to gentle pushing by your lady of the night -at some ungodly early morning hour when the sun just beams its first light - and had to struggle to the safe to find the Chairman Maos due and payable - keeping a girl overnight is an annoyance rather than a right. One may also question the wisdom of being asleep while a stranger is awake and bored in your room, especially when you got the bad vibes from an uninspired first shot.
Yet you may find a dream girl who would love to do you time and time again all night long, sucking you dry and you fell asleep in each other's arms until the next sunset -and refusing any financial compensation except your promises to return. Well dream on brothers. Martin Luther King did!
The girl can't so no to the mommie to the overnight or she can get fined and at Yihao is is pretty large fine.
Alot of guys prefer to sleep alone, and only do ST, and save the extra 300-400 for the sauna the next day (hey.
That overnight + 200 gets you a decent sauna!). I would say that 60-70% of guys to ST with girls based.
On random survey, the LT number increases on Friday and Saturday. But for weeknights alot of ST.
Worldguy72
06-23-12, 11:36
no just sz to cp, and i found the answer and they did slow the trains down. i found this quote from an article on bbs website below. i knew it that's why i've been getting shitty picks lately from being late for the line ups.
"following the accident, the authorities called a temporary halt to new high-speed rail projects and placed speed restrictions on trains."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16345592
when did you notice this? last time i was on the train it was 30 minutes to get to shenzhen from cp. where you coming in from shilong dongguan?
sometimes when there is a problem, like train delay it is a bit slower, due to heavy rainstorm etc.
asndragon
Jim Traveller,
What a great report and analysis! All very true in today's CP. It was a different era back 8 years ago when girls gave more GFE and didn't sweat the small stuff. Prices were cheaper and LT was the norm. In fact getting a KTV girl back then and only doing ST was ridiculous back in those days. But in today's CP, girls' are money hungry and they have no concept of duty and responsibility in their job. Sex is a hinderance to them.
So you are correct, save your money on the right girls. Wasting money will do no good. Maximize your returns!
This is strange coming from Jim Traveller-the KTV LT expert and advocate.
AsnDragon.
Yeah, Freepeaks is right on. LT is basically a waste of money or an investment in a relationship. Many guys, who are not 28-yr old Swedish blondes like SE Joe, many not want to force a morning session on their overworked little brother anyways.
A perhaps more balanced approach is that:
1. If you are happy with the 1st shot and like to see the girl again, send the girl home after a ST session, but with the full LT Fee in lieu of tipping. That enhances your chances of even better service the next time around. Don't look at the LT vs ST differential as a waste, but look at it as an investment.
2. If the 1st shot is medicore and you are not likely to see the same girl again, by all means send her away and save your Chairman Maos. A fool and his Chairman Maos are welcomed everywhere in CP. Just like a client and his money on Wall Street. Don't waste it on an unwilling girl.
3. If the 1st shot is passable and you wonder if you should keep her around to see whether her performance (or your stamina) will improve in the morning. Well, don't. Chances are that the morning shot will not be anywhere near good because the girl is thinking she is doing overtime.
4. The only time one should keep a girl overnight, is when you actually like hanging out with the girl. And you sense the girl don't mind hanging out with you either. You can tell this by how much voluntary talking she engages in. Or on the contrary, by how offen she looks at her phone. With a good rapport you may get good companionship out of your date and explore views of life, love, and the origins of Universe together. It won't be the most enlightened conversation you ever engage in; but you will still find it a memorable evening. Some girls are poor sexual performers. Generally younger and prettier types who can get away with not doing vile things with customer. But they can be spontaneous and alive. In other words, it was not you whom they hate, just the sex. Brothers, generally younger types with harder bodies, have reported girls hanging around and did not appear to be in a rush to leave until late afternoon. For those situations, your LT fare, and may be a tip, is money well spent.
For many brothers, who quickly fell asleep after the 1st shot, and only waking up to gentle pushing by your lady of the night.at some ungodly early morning hour when the sun just beams its first light. And had to struggle to the safe to find the Chairman Maos due and payable. Keeping a girl overnight is an annoyance rather than a right. One may also question the wisdom of being asleep while a stranger is awake and bored in your room, especially when you got the bad vibes from an uninspired first shot.
Yet you may find a dream girl who would love to do you time and time again all night long, sucking you dry and you fell asleep in each other's arms until the next sunset.and refusing any financial compensation except your promises to return. Well dream on brothers. Martin Luther King did!
Jim Traveller,
What a great report and analysis! All very true in today's CP. It was a different era back 8 years ago when girls gave more GFE and didn't sweat the small stuff. Prices were cheaper and LT was the norm. In fact getting a KTV girl back then and only doing ST was ridiculous back in those days. But in today's CP, girls' are money hungry and they have no concept of duty and responsibility in their job. Sex is a hinderance to them.
So you are correct, save your money on the right girls. Wasting money will do no good. Maximize your returns!
This is strange coming from Jim Traveller-the KTV LT expert and advocate.
AsnDragon.AD,
I agree, it was a great observation. I am a relative newcomer to CP, but having lived there the past 2 years, I have seen many changes and most not for the better.
I don't really know how it was back in the "old days", but have been around for the price increases and what I would call a somewhat lasez faire attitude to customers needs with both the girls and the mommies. If things ever slow down as far as customers go in CP, it will be interesting to see if they return to a customer focused biz.
It is a treat now to find a good KTV girl, but I am much more likely to "go home alone" now because I can't see throwing away the "red Maos" on bad vibes. Better to try again the next night. Unfortunately that is not always the option for guys that are "just visiting" for a few days.
I used to do LT almost everytime, but now I almost always wait until the "repeat visit" to keep them overnight.
SE Asia Joe
06-25-12, 11:22
Just heard that only for this week / just for this week Monday-Thursday, that the Mayflower is offering buy 1 dozen get 4 dozens Tsing Tao beer for the first order.
Hope this is a sign that the terrific upward pricing pressure in CP is coming to and end.
SEAN
ZhenDajiba
06-26-12, 13:45
Emphasis on the 6!
Is it ME, or am I doing something wrong here? Where is the 6 in the 2. 6.9?
Mayflower and Yi hao in particular.
Crap service when you DO take them 'home' yet as soon as you get them to the room, they automatically THINK they are there for the NIGHT (and
Therefore want the 900)
I am serious when I say that a BLOW_UP_DOLL would have been as much 'pleasure' as some of these chicks that wake up at 7am because they have
'received a phone call and have to leave'
Some just want to shower and sleep. NO SERVICE!
Yet they expect full pay!
To be fair. Mayflower not as 'bad' as Yi Hao.
200 for drinking is OK and 900 for 'all night' is OK. As long as the service is good!
600 for a quickie seems to have gone out the window. Or is it just me?
Sky Ryder,
You. A newbie? Give me a break! You are a pro man! 2 years in CP is like 10 years in other places. Things move so fast in CP so many things happen within 2 years! The advantage of living in CP is that you can take your time. You aren't in this time crunch to maximize your fun within a set number of days! You can sit a few girls and see how the vibe is before you bring them back.
In fact with time and consistent effort pursuing a girl, you can eventually get her if you frequent her enough times or sit them enough times at a KTV. Most girls will only invest the time and effort if you are a repeating customer. If you come once a year, she will most likely ignore you for the evening.
So you my friend have lots of advantages! I think I met you at Yihao KTV at one of BSD's parties before right?
Happy Mongering!
AsnDragon.
AD,
I agree, it was a great observation. I am a relative newcomer to CP, but having lived there the past 2 years, I have seen many changes and most not for the better.
I don't really know how it was back in the "old days", but have been around for the price increases and what I would call a somewhat lasez faire attitude to customers needs with both the girls and the mommies. If things ever slow down as far as customers go in CP, it will be interesting to see if they return to a customer focused biz.
It is a treat now to find a good KTV girl, but I am much more likely to "go home alone" now because I can't see throwing away the "red Maos" on bad vibes. Better to try again the next night. Unfortunately that is not always the option for guys that are "just visiting" for a few days.
I used to do LT almost everytime, but now I almost always wait until the "repeat visit" to keep them overnight.
ZhenDajiba,
I like your nickname. For those of you guys who do not know in Chinese, zhen the ji ba, means a really big dick!
Anyhow, yes 600 ST is out the window. In fact, you need to be upfront about ST for 600 before you take the girl home if you are serious. Or else she will assume that it is 900 rmb. 600 ST really is not that great of a deal for the sex you get from a KTV girl. It's usually a dead fish session for the price of a Sauna session basically. At least at a Sauna session you get an automatic BBBJ and two shots included int he price.
BUt you could argue that, you are already paying the girl 200 sitting fee, so might as well pay an extra 400 rmb to bring her back for one shag before letting her go.
Sometimes even LT 900 is not worth it. They usually want to go to sleep right away when you get back to the hotel room and try to skip out early in the morning to avoid getting poked. Some of them will let you poke them, and purposely watch TV all night long and not sleep and be annoying in hopes you will kick her out early and give her LT fee.
No matter how you slice it and dice it, KTV girls are becoming less and less appealing if their service level is continuously going down.
Happy mongering boys! I hope that girls will shape up soon with their service once they see that less and less mongers are coming to CP to frequent the KTVs.
We can only cross our fingers and hope right?
AsnDragon.
Emphasis on the 6!
Is it ME, or am I doing something wrong here? Where is the 6 in the 2. 6.9?
Mayflower and Yi hao in particular.
Crap service when you DO take them 'home' yet as soon as you get them to the room, they automatically THINK they are there for the NIGHT (and
Therefore want the 900)
I am serious when I say that a BLOW_UP_DOLL would have been as much 'pleasure' as some of these chicks that wake up at 7am because they have
'received a phone call and have to leave'
Some just want to shower and sleep. NO SERVICE!
Yet they expect full pay!
To be fair. Mayflower not as 'bad' as Yi Hao.
200 for drinking is OK and 900 for 'all night' is OK. As long as the service is good!
600 for a quickie seems to have gone out the window. Or is it just me?
ManonsanBoy
06-28-12, 00:39
Is Ken still around CP?
Sky Ryder,
You. A newbie? Give me a break! You are a pro man! 2 years in CP is like 10 years in other places. Things move so fast in CP so many things happen within 2 years! The advantage of living in CP is that you can take your time. You aren't in this time crunch to maximize your fun within a set number of days! You can sit a few girls and see how the vibe is before you bring them back.
In fact with time and consistent effort pursuing a girl, you can eventually get her if you frequent her enough times or sit them enough times at a KTV. Most girls will only invest the time and effort if you are a repeating customer. If you come once a year, she will most likely ignore you for the evening.
So you my friend have lots of advantages! I think I met you at Yihao KTV at one of BSD's parties before right?
Happy Mongering!
AsnDragon.AD,
We did meet a couple of times at BSD's known the world over parties. I am moving out of CP tomorrow and have very mixed emotions. I have met a LOT of great guys and girls, and won't have the opportunity to get an afternoon phone call that there is a party on and would I like to attend. Having said that I am only an hour flight away, and plan to return often. The last few months, I kind of broke the "prime directive" and had a girl friend in CP. She wasn't a working girl, but was VERY aware of the situation. It was good and bad, went to a lot of parties with no pressure to do anything other than enjoy the party, but a few times I did find that gem and was not able to "pull the trigger". I am no longer "off the market" although I am not sure I was ever really "on the market" at my age. LOL.
Last night went to Yihao, got there late, had an invite from a model I know to sit her, but at the 4/10/15 rate wasn't in the mood. Wound up sitting a 2/6/9 and 3/7/11 girl. Should of coughed up the 1000 and just sat the model. At least I know she is good in bed.
I agree there is a lot more "fluff" from the girls these days and not as much action. When I was paying 2/5/8 it wasn't such a big deal, but the price increases have raised my expectations. I heard that Yihao won't' have any more 2/6/9 girls after this week, the sitting fee is going up 100 rmb for all girls starting Sunday.
Also, the Mayflower beer special ended last night.
Not sure how much longer the market will support the higher prices, but I am at the point now where I will only sit one girl and take me chances. Can't see waisting 400 rmb on a "maybe"!
Sky Ryder,
Am I hearing your right? You are moving out of CP? You sure are a brave man! Most people fall victim to CP's glamour and attraction and if left living there for a long time, cannot bear to leave that place. But if it's only 1 hour away I guess it can't be that bad. But I hope that your 1 hour away plane right is still within China.
The market cannot sustain itself anymore at the KTV joints. Someone has to start lowering the prices for sitting fees. Once the world disaster commences with the Euro downfall, I think there would be more pressure among the establishments to start lowering their prices. Or guys will just sit less girls and stick with only sitting one girl.
At Yihao, all the girls are trained to ask the customer to sit their "sister" and cajole you into paying another 300 RMB. They are forced by their mommies to do so. This type of activity will not be all that easy if sitting prices are all going up 100 RMB. Are they trying to compete with Eurasia or something? Yihao's strongest advantage was that it was cheaper than Eurasia, but now that the prices are going to be even, Yihao will start to lose their advantage. Is Eurasia also going to add an extra 100 RMB onto all sitting fees as well?
Craziness, how much 1 year in CP changes.
Good luck Sky Ryder- hope your new location suites you well.
AsnDragon.
AD,
We did meet a couple of times at BSD's known the world over parties. I am moving out of CP tomorrow and have very mixed emotions. I have met a LOT of great guys and girls, and won't have the opportunity to get an afternoon phone call that there is a party on and would I like to attend. Having said that I am only an hour flight away, and plan to return often. The last few months, I kind of broke the "prime directive" and had a girl friend in CP. She wasn't a working girl, but was VERY aware of the situation. It was good and bad, went to a lot of parties with no pressure to do anything other than enjoy the party, but a few times I did find that gem and was not able to "pull the trigger". I am no longer "off the market" although I am not sure I was ever really "on the market" at my age. LOL.
Last night went to Yihao, got there late, had an invite from a model I know to sit her, but at the 4/10/15 rate wasn't in the mood. Wound up sitting a 2/6/9 and 3/7/11 girl. Should of coughed up the 1000 and just sat the model. At least I know she is good in bed.
I agree there is a lot more "fluff" from the girls these days and not as much action. When I was paying 2/5/8 it wasn't such a big deal, but the price increases have raised my expectations. I heard that Yihao won't' have any more 2/6/9 girls after this week, the sitting fee is going up 100 rmb for all girls starting Sunday.
Also, the Mayflower beer special ended last night.
Not sure how much longer the market will support the higher prices, but I am at the point now where I will only sit one girl and take me chances. Can't see waisting 400 rmb on a "maybe"!
Sky Ryder,
Am I hearing your right? You are moving out of CP? You sure are a brave man! Most people fall victim to CP's glamour and attraction and if left living there for a long time, cannot bear to leave that place. But if it's only 1 hour away I guess it can't be that bad. But I hope that your 1 hour away plane right is still within China.
The market cannot sustain itself anymore at the KTV joints. Someone has to start lowering the prices for sitting fees. Once the world disaster commences with the Euro downfall, I think there would be more pressure among the establishments to start lowering their prices. Or guys will just sit less girls and stick with only sitting one girl.
At Yihao, all the girls are trained to ask the customer to sit their "sister" and cajole you into paying another 300 RMB. They are forced by their mommies to do so. This type of activity will not be all that easy if sitting prices are all going up 100 RMB. Are they trying to compete with Eurasia or something? Yihao's strongest advantage was that it was cheaper than Eurasia, but now that the prices are going to be even, Yihao will start to lose their advantage. Is Eurasia also going to add an extra 100 RMB onto all sitting fees as well?
Craziness, how much 1 year in CP changes.
Good luck Sky Ryder- hope your new location suites you well.
AsnDragon.Thanks AD,
The truth is the move is based on a "new job", but still in China. If your ever in Xiamen, look me up! It is a great town, but you are correct, there is no other CP, which is probably a good thing, LOL.
I agree about only sitting one girl, I was having this conversation with BSD the other night, and I have just about decided that unless a girl is "off the hook" hot, I am going to only sit one. I am also going to be move "proactive" in throwing her back in the pool if I get a bad vibe in the 10 min."test drive" period. I used to be willing to take a chance, but I think my new strategy is going to be be a little more selective, then keep looking quickly to see if I find something better and do an exchange. I know that I will miss out on the two gals playing off each other to try and get me to take them out, but I am not as willing to take a chance. In the 18 months I've lived here, the average sitting fee I am paying now has almost doubled, and the rooms / beer have gone up as well. I know that prices increase but this is taking some of the "fun" out of trying to find a diamond in the rough.
It used to be that a short time night in a CP KTV was about a 1000 rmb investment, now it is getting closer to 1300-1400. It is still a lot of fun, and I am going to miss the opportunity to join in on short notice.
I am not sure what tonight will hold, I am hoping there are a couple of guys in town that want to party. Will be a while before I am back! I am going to come back in July for the return of the "Bruce Tea" tour!
SE Asia Joe
06-29-12, 07:07
most discussions i've seen on this as well as other mongering boards usually centers upon the quality, the highlights / drawbacks of gals, complaints / praise of them – but i hardly see discussions on things from the wg's pov. and how we all can take advantage of their feelings and druthers!
i've had quite a few discussions with wg's – in general and in earnest – about their feelings towards us mongers, their pet peeves, their joys, their favorites things etc and not just about the money part – which i would like to ignore for purposes of this thread as i think it probably already gets discussed too much / ad finitum in other threads.
ok – first, a few pet peeves i hear time and again, and my opening for discussion as to how we as mongers could minimize its impact on the session we're paying for.
* dirty, sloven mongers – most gals just hate it when a guy's filthy, got bo, got dirty long finger nails / unshaven and scratching them all over etc. this one's an easy one! guys, just because you're paying for it, don't mean that you could be a slob and expect your partner to be still all eager to do you. apply the same standards you would with civvies and for sure you'll get the best results.
* obese / fat guys – well, not much one can do about this – or is there? i mean gals always complain about being literally squashed by overweight guys to the point of not being to breathe when fat guys, constricted by the size of their bellies, tend to push excessively trying to get their lb's in their ls's! for you guys overweight, try to have them on top, on the side and of course doggy style. and when doggy-ing – please make sure that you do have firm footing as falling flat on them can be quite disastrous. and if you really need to bend their legs over your shoulder to gain maximum penetration, limit such moves to when you're on the side with her and not when you're on mish.
* rough play – ok, there are technicians who do specialize on such – and even those who only discover such to be a niche for them when it happens; but i'd suggest that for most of us, it's really not a good idea for you to 'push the boundaries'. i've heard gals telling me how terrified they were when guys start to get rough with them – never knowing where it's going to go to. if you really enjoy rough play – then you should clearly and politely discuss such requirement for their full consent and agreement prior to embarking on such.
* drunks – the bane of wg's! drunk guys have a tendency to last way too long, make a mess, be belligerent / uncooperative and usually then end up not really enjoying the session, or even forgetting about it totally. do yourself a favor – don't get a wg when you're drunk, for not only are you not maximizing your punting dollar, you're actually also putting yourself in danger for being robbed, rolled or even just conned.
* drugs – ditto as per drunks. but besides illegal substances, which is not worth it to discuss on this board, there is also the question of erectile dysfunction medication. i'd say that most wg's would prefer that we mongers do not use / use less such ed meds as it usually means a longer – and harder – session. i don't know what we who needs such meds could do to turn this matter to our advantage when dealing with a wg – but at least perhaps best not to even mention that one has taken such meds.
* kinkiness – ok, we're all types, us human – some of us more kinky than others and some thinking an act is normal whilst others think its depravity; all kinds. but here again, a clear discussion and delineation as to your desires versus her limits is definitely in order prior to any activities.
* anger – now this is one thing that most gals are terrified of. most have had clients who somewhere along the act suddenly display anger. for reasons they really cannot fathom. to them, they're already providing the most intimate of action that a human is capable of performing and all of a sudden a client would get mad. you as a monger, if you have any issues – again discuss it with your gal what your issue is and do not just explode on them. they're already psychologically disadvantaged as being the provider in the act / they're also at a definite physical disadvantage in regards to size – so consider the effect it has on your gal if you blow your top. anger of any kind / for any reason will usually just result in a totally dissatisfying experience for both parties. also, best you do not embark on getting a wg if you're somehow or other already generally pissed off.
i'm not on any kind of save-a-ho campaign / trying to come up with a manifesto for wg's or anything like this – rather, i just want to discover what makes for the biggest bang for the buck – for after all, the gals are always trying to get the best buck for their bang!
ok guys – fire away!
sean – yeah, i do love mongering!
SE Asia Joe
06-29-12, 09:21
I've got a suggestion if you want to avoid the long lines buying CRH tickets. As well as questions on this.
Anybody got one of those ICBC bank / Guansheng railway Dual currency credit cards?
http://www.icbcasia.com/eng/card/type/affinity/gsrc.shtml
This started with me observing some travelers just swiping their IC card to enter the CRH station without lining up / buying a ticket prior. I found out that such cards are only issued by ICBC. So off I trundled to the local Chang Ping ICBC bank to apply. But was turned down as non PRC residents need a "residency permit" to qualify. They then told me to apply in Hong Kong instead.
Anyway what I want to know is what is others' experience with this card? Its not only the annual fee and other bells and jingles with credit cards. But specifically if there are other charges specific to its usage for passage on the CRH train.
I had actually phoned ICBC to ask how do they charge if I travel on the 1st class. As I see that the IC card just allows entry into the general waiting area. The gal told me that they will collect the difference on board. But have no idea on how much they will collect for the 1st and 2nd class difference for the different length of the voyage I. E. The surcharge is more for longer distances.
Worse, from what I gather / she indicates, there is also going to be a "surcharge" on the ticket price using this card. Is this correct?
Anyway. Any and all info on this would be appreciated.
SEAN. Hate those long lines buying CRH tickets
Fast Eddie 48
06-29-12, 21:27
I've got a suggestion if you want to avoid the long lines buying CRH tickets. As well as questions on this.
Anybody got one of those ICBC bank / Guansheng railway Dual currency credit cards?
http://www.icbcasia.com/eng/card/type/affinity/gsrc.shtml
This started with me observing some travelers just swiping their IC card to enter the CRH station without lining up / buying a ticket prior. I found out that such cards are only issued by ICBC. So off I trundled to the local Chang Ping ICBC bank to apply. But was turned down as non PRC residents need a "residency permit" to qualify. They then told me to apply in Hong Kong instead.
Anyway what I want to know is what is others' experience with this card? Its not only the annual fee and other bells and jingles with credit cards. But specifically if there are other charges specific to its usage for passage on the CRH train.
I had actually phoned ICBC to ask how do they charge if I travel on the 1st class. As I see that the IC card just allows entry into the general waiting area. The gal told me that they will collect the difference on board. But have no idea on how much they will collect for the 1st and 2nd class difference for the different length of the voyage I. E. The surcharge is more for longer distances.
Worse, from what I gather / she indicates, there is also going to be a "surcharge" on the ticket price using this card. Is this correct?
Anyway. Any and all info on this would be appreciated.
SEAN. Hate those long lines buying CRH ticketsTo SEAJ.
My friend told me IC card can only be isuue my ICBC in China only, if you have a China resident I'd you can also buy ticket from ticket machine at the station before 2010 anyone can do this now I can only buy ticket from ticket both line is never very long at Guangzhou but in Shanghai line can be very long up to 30 min and you must have a passport or HKID with picture to buy ticket.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
06-30-12, 05:24
To SEAJ.
My friend told me IC card can only be isuue my ICBC in China only, if you have a China resident I'd you can also buy ticket from ticket machine at the station before 2010 anyone can do this now I can only buy ticket from ticket both line is never very long at Guangzhou but in Shanghai line can be very long up to 30 min and you must have a passport or HKID with picture to buy ticket.
Fast Eddie 48Errr, Okay Eddie! But its like what I said. That I have found out / confirmed that one can apply for this card via the Hong Kong branches of ICBC.
And I have found out a few more things about this if anybody wants to apply for it.
Cost - HK$ 480 (gold) HK$ 1, 000 (platinum) card / annual fee waived for the first 3 years (no regular / cheaper card. Only gold and platinum ones. Yeah!)
No surcharges on usage in both Hong Kong as well as in China - Thus NO surcharge for buying CRH tickets. (but I still don't know how they'd charge if one is to travel First I / o economy class on the CRH)
Accompanying documentation required when applying -: HongKong ID card / passport, income / asset proof. 3 months proof of residence.
And its this last requirement that have me stumped as they will NOT take my office address and insist on my residential proof. Yeah, I go and ask SO to give me this and she's going to ask why I need this. And I say to apply for a credit card. Then she's going to ask me if she'll get a supplementary card and then when the bill comes, its going to have a listing of when and where I have been to in China. Yeah. Right!
SEAN. Nope, this card is out for me. But others may want it, because it IS very convenient!
ManonsanBoy
06-30-12, 11:38
most discussions i've seen on this as well as other mongering boards usually centers upon the quality, the highlights / drawbacks of gals, complaints / praise of them – but i hardly see discussions on things from the wg's pov. and how we all can take advantage of their feelings and druthers!
i've had quite a few discussions with wg's – in general and in earnest – about their feelings towards us mongers, their pet peeves, their joys, their favorites things etc and not just about the money part – which i would like to ignore for purposes of this thread as i think it probably already gets discussed too much / ad finitum in other threads.
sean – yeah, i do love mongering!what a great post!
ManonsanBoy
06-30-12, 11:40
By the way, all business hotels are shut because of the visit of Hu nearby.
By the way, all business hotels are shut because of the visit of Hu nearby.FML.
LOL.
Time for covert stealth mode mongering!
I am back in sex prison and now have an opportunity to submit a brief report of my late May to mid June visit to CP. I don't drink, smoke or sing and am pretty much a sauna man having been burnt by a bbs experience many years ago. My take on the saunas I've visited this year:
Virgin: For me the best for service.
Hui Hua: This sauna has improved significantly since last year. I've always had problems with service here but they have done something about that. I rank them as having the best quality girls.
Miraton: Agressive marketing on the streets like bbs but they need to improve girl quality and quantity. Nice facilities.
Yihao: Least caring managers in the business probably because they have the greatest clientele. There were many punters the days I visited here. They also have the greatest quantity of girls as well as the best facilities.
I don't know what has happened but I got many refusals for DATY this year. Only accepted twice out of 15 girls. 1 at Virgin and 1 at HH. In previous years I got about 60% agreeing. However, I got no refusals for doggy which is a must for me. Planning my next trip for next year. Over and out.
ManonsanBoy
07-01-12, 01:14
FML.
LOL.
Time for covert stealth mode mongering!FML is not in the list of approved abbreviations.
By the way, all business hotels are shut because of the visit of Hu nearby.Holy crap, when did this happen? I hope Hu's not going to stay long. Business everywhere would be greatly affected. I think they should take Hu to one of the top end Saunas to help him relax a bit.
AsnDragon
Turgid,
I mostly agree with you!
Virgin- Still best in Service.
Meibao is also top for service as well.
HH Sauna is the same management company as Jing Lang Hotel- So they got the Stripper pole walk way now which is kind of cool. But prices are too expensive for me to accept for the quality that you get there.
Yihao Sauna- Managers suck because they are so damn busy! Girls are not that plentiful nor great. I end up having to wait more time for the rooms than other saunas I visit, which could get quite annoying waiting around for rooms during peak times. Girls quality is not that great and really overpriced for CP market.
Miraton- has many rooms newly renovated. Still a few older rooms, but quantity and quality is really not there at all. But very competitive and managers try hard to please.
Eurasia- rooms are dated and girls are not as hot as I would expect them to be for CP's most expensive hotel. Their rooms have mold growing on the walls in the downstairs rooms.
Walter Hotel- still pretty pathetic in terms of quality and quantity of girls.
Lihao Sauna- pretty bad unless you pick the red tags the popular girls in which you pay 800 plus for them.
Swan Lake- still needs to improve on quality of girls. Really didn't see any great ones, but you find a gem once in a while. 1 out of every 25 girls they show you is doable.
Clipper / Manhattan- skip these places, not anything special.
Xin Mei Sauna- try this place out at Lion Hotel, same management company as Meibao. Rooms have a smell for some reason, but girls are not bad for the price. Reasonable, good service and quality. Good value in my book.
Fuaho Sauna- is a joke! They got like 25 chicks working on a Thursday 4 pm where all shifts are working. Not many pretty girls except for the teacher, shi jie, she's the only hot one there. They need work harder in attracting newer and prettier girls, especially for such a famous hotel in CP.
AsnDragon.
I am back in sex prison and now have an opportunity to submit a brief report of my late May to mid June visit to CP. I don't drink, smoke or sing and am pretty much a sauna man having been burnt by a bbs experience many years ago. My take on the saunas I've visited this year:
Virgin: For me the best for service.
Hui Hua: This sauna has improved significantly since last year. I've always had problems with service here but they have done something about that. I rank them as having the best quality girls.
Miraton: Agressive marketing on the streets like bbs but they need to improve girl quality and quantity. Nice facilities.
Yihao: Least caring managers in the business probably because they have the greatest clientele. There were many punters the days I visited here. They also have the greatest quantity of girls as well as the best facilities.
I don't know what has happened but I got many refusals for DATY this year. Only accepted twice out of 15 girls. 1 at Virgin and 1 at HH. In previous years I got about 60% agreeing. However, I got no refusals for doggy which is a must for me. Planning my next trip for next year. Over and out.
Sky ryder,
Xiamen is such a clean city. Not much going on there. Sure there's still some Saunas here and there like every city in China has, but it's no CP by any means. You would have to go to other smaller towns and cities nearby for BBS action, but their BBS action is not nearly as organized as CP's BBS either.
I heard that Xiamen's got a HUGE KTV arena hotel lookin' place that has tons of girls. But then again one hotel having 800 girls will not compare to the 10, 000+ KTV girls working in CP or DG surrounding towns. CP has become to famous that people form Shanghai, Beijing all come down to CP just to monger. The affordable pricing and the variety of selection to be had.
Well at least Xiamen is a green city, much cleaner. But then again. What's that going to do for your boredom?
Good luck.
AsnDragon.
Thanks AD,
The truth is the move is based on a "new job", but still in China. If your ever in Xiamen, look me up! It is a great town, but you are correct, there is no other CP, which is probably a good thing, LOL.
I agree about only sitting one girl, I was having this conversation with BSD the other night, and I have just about decided that unless a girl is "off the hook" hot, I am going to only sit one. I am also going to be move "proactive" in throwing her back in the pool if I get a bad vibe in the 10 min."test drive" period. I used to be willing to take a chance, but I think my new strategy is going to be be a little more selective, then keep looking quickly to see if I find something better and do an exchange. I know that I will miss out on the two gals playing off each other to try and get me to take them out, but I am not as willing to take a chance. In the 18 months I've lived here, the average sitting fee I am paying now has almost doubled, and the rooms / beer have gone up as well. I know that prices increase but this is taking some of the "fun" out of trying to find a diamond in the rough.
It used to be that a short time night in a CP KTV was about a 1000 rmb investment, now it is getting closer to 1300-1400. It is still a lot of fun, and I am going to miss the opportunity to join in on short notice.
I am not sure what tonight will hold, I am hoping there are a couple of guys in town that want to party. Will be a while before I am back! I am going to come back in July for the return of the "Bruce Tea" tour!
ManonsanBoy
07-02-12, 00:46
All saunas in Tangxia closed but BBS is still active, but only by regular known customers. They will deliver to regulars. Wonder how long this crack down will last. After all, Hu is in Beijing already.
ManonsanBoy
07-02-12, 00:50
Holy crap, when did this happen? I hope Hu's not going to stay long. Business everywhere would be greatly affected. I think they should take Hu to one of the top end Saunas to help him relax a bit.
AsnDragonNormal operations last Thursday but Friday, business hotels shut. But ones in regular hotels function but these too shut Sunday.
Worldguy72
07-02-12, 03:10
I've got a suggestion if you want to avoid the long lines buying CRH tickets. As well as questions on this.
Anybody got one of those ICBC bank / Guansheng railway Dual currency credit cards?
http://www.icbcasia.com/eng/card/type/affinity/gsrc.shtml
This started with me observing some travelers just swiping their IC card to enter the CRH station without lining up / buying a ticket prior. I found out that such cards are only issued by ICBC. So off I trundled to the local Chang Ping ICBC bank to apply. But was turned down as non PRC residents need a "residency permit" to qualify. They then told me to apply in Hong Kong instead.
Anyway what I want to know is what is others' experience with this card? Its not only the annual fee and other bells and jingles with credit cards. But specifically if there are other charges specific to its usage for passage on the CRH train.
I had actually phoned ICBC to ask how do they charge if I travel on the 1st class. As I see that the IC card just allows entry into the general waiting area. The gal told me that they will collect the difference on board. But have no idea on how much they will collect for the 1st and 2nd class difference for the different length of the voyage I. E. The surcharge is more for longer distances.
Worse, from what I gather / she indicates, there is also going to be a "surcharge" on the ticket price using this card. Is this correct?
Anyway. Any and all info on this would be appreciated.
SEAN. Hate those long lines buying CRH ticketsWhy can't you just use your return card at the machines to avoid the line ups?
Tony Knight
07-02-12, 04:38
Anyone has any information?
ManonsanBoy,
I always wondered where the BBS in Tangxia is? Is it across the street from Golden lake Hotel? Or is 2 blocks down from Metropolis Hotel (xin du hui hotel)? I always wondered where they were located in tangxia. I've never been to those before, but I have heard about them. How do they compare with CP BBS?
AsnDragon.
All saunas in Tangxia closed but BBS is still active, but only by regular known customers. They will deliver to regulars. Wonder how long this crack down will last. After all, Hu is in Beijing already.
Tony,
This would belong on the Hainan island thread, this thread is for Dongguan, Guangdong, China.
AsnDragon.
Anyone has any information?
You can tell this by how much voluntary talking she engages in - or on the contrary, by how offen she looks at her phone.Wow nail on the head. Yes voluntary conversation for overnight. Or if she grabs you after you pop for another round right away. But that is really rare. (but out there.
I found 2 in as many years).
Some of them will let you poke them, and purposely watch TV all night long and not sleep and be annoying in hopes you will kick her out early and give her LT fee.
AsnDragon.You know I have had a few girls try that. Unplug the TV and tell them you never bothered to ask if it works because you.
Don't like the channels they have. Never have they looked to see if unplugged.
Haha. Jokes on them.
I agree about only sitting one girl, I was having this conversation with BSD the other night, and I have just about decided that unless a girl is "off the hook" hot, I am going to only sit one. I am also going to be move "proactive" in throwing her back in the pool if I get a bad vibe in the 10 min."test drive" period. I used to be willing to take a chance, but I think my new strategy is going to be be a little more selective, then keep looking quickly to see if I find something better and do an exchange.I too am going to exploit the 10 min test session much more, and I have recently started only sitting or bringing in (if sand) one. Before I might have sat a pretty girl and brought one in, but what's the point now. Too much 3-400 for a sitter only as investment.
I think overall that will hurt the KTV as they make money on beer. Less girls sit. Say BSD party with 10 guys, now has 20 people not 30 that is definitely about 1/3 less alcohol. Might make the saunas busier as alot of guys reject their girls.
Also on LT I always ask for that because I want the option, but again to verify talk with mommie and get her card. Then you can toss the girl if she is bad.
Lay and do ST.
ManonsanBoy
07-02-12, 12:14
manonsanboy,
i always wondered where the bbs in tangxia is? is it across the street from golden lake hotel? or is 2 blocks down from metropolis hotel (xin du hui hotel)? i always wondered where they were located in tangxia. i've never been to those before, but i have heard about them. how do they compare with cp bbs?
asndragon.alas, the bbs near the xin du fui have been all but eliminated. there was a time there were 10-20 of them within walking distance of the hotel. now they are rep001tered and there are few clusters. every 6 months or so, i comission a car and we go around to ferret out the places. alas, they keep changing. there seem to be some aggregating with 10 mins of huihua tangxia. i have never sampled the cp bbs but i think tangxia is nothing compared to it.
Normal operations last Thursday but Friday, business hotels shut. But ones in regular hotels function but these too shut Sunday.Yep, I was going to make a rare (for me) visit to a highly rated sauna on Friday night, and was told "not a good night to come" by the manager. Actually she told BSD that it was not a good night to go to any sauna. One more reason to use BSD and his services.
It was kind of a bad night all the way around, no KTV, no sauna, no BBS. Well I didn't really try BBS. Meant that little Sky was not pleased on his last night as a "resident" of CP. Just means I have a good excuse to return soon!
Sky ryder,
Xiamen is such a clean city. Not much going on there. Sure there's still some Saunas here and there like every city in China has, but it's no CP by any means. You would have to go to other smaller towns and cities nearby for BBS action, but their BBS action is not nearly as organized as CP's BBS either.
I heard that Xiamen's got a HUGE KTV arena hotel lookin' place that has tons of girls. But then again one hotel having 800 girls will not compare to the 10, 000+ KTV girls working in CP or DG surrounding towns. CP has become to famous that people form Shanghai, Beijing all come down to CP just to monger. The affordable pricing and the variety of selection to be had.
Well at least Xiamen is a green city, much cleaner. But then again. What's that going to do for your boredom?
Good luck.
AsnDragon.The name of the KTV you are talking about in Xiamen is Neptune's Cup and they have a HUGE tiered stage that they girls "present" themselves. There are banquets to sit in and you can bring the girls over for drinks and games. There are also private rooms, but I have never asked about the prices there. I bought one of the mommies dinner at a street vendor after she finished work, and she told me the girls are not "required" or really expected to go out with clients although most do. But the prices are high, but the girls are really pretty. I expect a short time is at least 12-1500. I have been to one other KTV with just two guys. Sitting fee was 300, and I bought a VIP card for 500 rmb, which meant that I could drink and eat all I wanted, I bought a bunch of snacks and a bottle of Chivas. Had to tip the mommie on top of the sitting fee plus the DJ. At this place a DJ is optional. Didn't ask about taking her home, but my friends girl wanted 1500 for ST. Which really meant she didn't want to go. She got her wish.
Agree about CP's "rep", a LOT of people have asked me about living in CP. I just smile.
SE Asia Joe
07-02-12, 15:36
Why can't you just use your return card at the machines to avoid the line ups?HUH?
What are you saying?
That one can buy a ticket at the machine by swiping an old ticket instead of swiping a Chinese Identity card?
Please elaborate. Thanks!
SEAN
Anyone has any information?Just to give you a quick answer here. We went there in March and the place is just about dead. There are some BBS here and there but the quality and quantity is just not there. The price is about the same as any other places for BBS which is 200-300 RMB for short time. I my opinion not worth going there anymore.
ManonsanBoy
07-02-12, 20:13
ZhenDajiba,
I like your nickname. For those of you guys who do not know in Chinese, zhen the ji ba, means a really big dick!
AsnDragon.A driver told me about a real dajiba who is one of his regular clients. Apparently, he is around 70, jovial and often pays over the odds for the journey. His claim to fame is his big cock and his propensity to have 3-4 day solid sex sprees in CP and Tangxia. He takes 3-4 from BBS to a 5 star hotel. Then he sends them down to the nearby beauty salons where the girls get the rustic features attended to. Sometimes, they even go shopping. Then it is dinning after which they retire to his room. The driver picks the girls up the next day to take them home, each with a 500 tip in addition to whatever the BBS boss had taken. They all say he has a big cock and lasts a very long time and basically goes all night in between naps. The next evening, around 7 pm, he whole cycle starts again.
Fast Eddie 48
07-02-12, 22:20
Why can't you just use your return card at the machines to avoid the line ups?To World guy72.
Not anymore you must have a China resident card now, I think they change that in late 2010 I have HKID and return home permit also now I have to buy ticket from Ticket booth and I must show my I'd and they also check your I'd when you enter boarding area.
Fast Eddie 48
Finally drop by Dongguan since last Saturday and asked for BSD's services. Went to YiHao (Saturday) and MayFlower (Sunday) KTV, it was great parties. Tons of very pretty girls (more at YiHao) , met lot of good and nice people at BSD's party.
Planed to stay in Dongguan for 3 nights, finally I decided to stay 10 nights. Got a lot of regrets for spending so much money in Shanghai on girls who asked for over 2500RMB for overnight which are not even close to the "ugliest" one in KTV.
The best invest you can do in Dongguan is to apply for BSD's service, it will save your time, your money (time is money right?) and sometimes can even save your life with his wise advices.
If someone want to join me for some fun, they are welcome.
Alex the Faguoren.
SE Asia Joe
07-03-12, 13:12
To World guy72.
Not anymore you must have a China resident card now, I think they change that in late 2010 I have HKID and return home permit also now I have to buy ticket from Ticket booth and I must show my I'd and they also check your I'd when you enter boarding area.
Fast Eddie 48WHAT?
They check your I'd again after you've entered the boarding area?
When / how did this happen?
Never had THAT happen to me.
This for the CRH trains between Shenzhen and Guangzhou?
SEAN. Now I'm thoroughly confused!
what to do on a sunday? it's also a holiday in hk when all guys are here. ok preemptive strike: go to bbs to find a nice afternoon romp. went with some peeps and found one in one glance. since other guys passed i took. she was yummy. napped afterwards.
bsd party at mayflower. go? ok probably a ton of people since they're all in town. f'k it, i'm in. went and found a very small selection. like 1/4 of capacity. definitely not normal. we had 7 guys and like 11 dates. ok, let's party! singing by a few people, group dice games in a group. hella fun, got those mayflower gals warmed up. mission accomplished: loose, a bit of alcohol, liking the guy a bit more.
each of us took our dates out. they wanted to leave with us too. kinda a rarity for mayflower.
my date wasn't my type and her attitude was kinda snobbish without warming up to me but i kinda needed a bed buddy that night so i was willing to give her a try. she was 3/7/11. dammit.
went back to room and showered and played. she had d tits i think? slim in waist and a very sweet smile. she was very accomadating in bed and got very wet. very nice foreplay. got to say one of the better after ktv fun from a gal in a long time. capped and had a very nice session. she already took off all her makeup and fake lashes and ready to sleep but st is good enough so i let her go.
afterwards met up with friends for some late night bullshitting.
had some very good experiences these days, but want to make a report on mayflower since 2/7 times it's been good experiences for me. this one was a very pleasant surprise. the 3/7/11 was a gamble. but she is worth the st and i really think she'll be good for the lt.
FML is not in the list of approved abbreviations.Haha, FML is kinda a twitter-like site where people can ***** and share fucked up happenings. It stands for "fk my life" haha, if the webmaster feels it's inappropriate advertising, please delete it. I mean no disrespect or intent to advertise.
Another fk my life moment these few days (to stay on topic on these boards) is my usual list of gals and their numbers. The last few weeks I've been calling them down the list and found a good 90% of those numbers are empty, not in service, or dead. I guess gals change numbers quite frequently. Although this has not happened to me in the past, I guess recent influx of customers have made gals more protective of their cell numbers. Or I just haven't been affected until now. I don't know.
But it's a crying shame I lost some great gals for backup.
Haha, FML is kinda a twitter-like site where people can * and share fucked up happenings. It stands for "fk my life" haha, if the webmaster feels it's inappropriate advertising, please delete it. I mean no disrespect or intent to advertise.
Another fk my life moment these few days (to stay on topic on these boards) is my usual list of gals and their numbers. The last few weeks I've been calling them down the list and found a good 90% of those numbers are empty, not in service, or dead. I guess gals change numbers quite frequently. Although this has not happened to me in the past, I guess recent influx of customers have made gals more protective of their cell numbers. Or I just haven't been affected until now. I don't know.
But it's a crying shame I lost some great gals for backup.The "Return of the Tea"! Glad to see you have made it back, I hope to get to CP before you fade off into the sunset once more! I just missed you this trip, as I had to leave on Saturday morning, sounds like you are back in form. Save a few of the cuties for me!
Worldguy72
07-04-12, 18:27
To World guy72.
Not anymore you must have a China resident card now, I think they change that in late 2010 I have HKID and return home permit also now I have to buy ticket from Ticket booth and I must show my I'd and they also check your I'd when you enter boarding area.
Fast Eddie 48Hi Eddie, Is this for the CRT train from SZ to DG because I've been buying my ticket at the machines without any problems. I select English and then press Guangzhou button then select Dongguan, you then can choose economy or Business class, then it will prompt you with Chinese I'd or HKD return card and select HK return card swipe and pay. Let me know if I am missing something.
Worldguy72
07-04-12, 18:37
HUH?
What are you saying?
That one can buy a ticket at the machine by swiping an old ticket instead of swiping a Chinese Identity card?
Please elaborate. Thanks!
SEANMy question was can you not use the machines to avoid the line ups at the booths? Because I've been buying my ticket at the machines and there are many of them and usually just have to wait for one person ahead and it takes about a minute to buy the ticket at the self serve machines.
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