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To trim or not to trim?
Well, if it's hanging down to her knees and sprouting out of her nipples, then what? Send them to SEAJ. ; D He loves them au naturel. Especially the hairy nipples. Just send the smooth one my way. Whether they are au naturel. Smooth or modify. Smooth is smooth. I really do not care how they got smooth just as long as it was not caused by radiation.
Send them to SEAJ. ; D He loves them au naturel. Especially the hairy nipples. Just send the smooth one my way. Whether they are au naturel. Smooth or modify. Smooth is smooth. I really do not care how they got smooth just as long as it was not caused by radiation.
Maybe we can convert him and buy him an electric hair trimming kit for christmas.
Pointpanic
04-24-09, 10:48
i'm with joe and like them natural so i can peer through the jungle looking for a nice prize. the sweet smell of anxious pussy. ah the discovery after mystery. nothing like holding their hands over their heads and looking at the three patches and thinking wow jackpot... three pussies! regarding bai hu pussies, i always thought they needed a few hairs to accent the tiger stripes look. am i wrong? what say you ol' wise one?
pp
uncle? you're calling me .... uncle??!! wot - you're trying to convince yourself that you're stilll a young buck???!!!
ok ok ok - i am old - but hurmmmpphhh - i can still do my own counting thank you very much!!
and as far as my "tastes" are concerned - no, i don't necessarily like 'em hairy or hairless or whatever - i just much prefer that pussy hair be left au naturelle. period! and noooooooo - i don't like hairy nipples, or hairy face - but then again its all just a matter of differing appreciation/ aesthtics in a gal. period.
hairy arm-pits - cain't decide yet! sort of gross, but then also sort of erotic. it's natural though!!
seaj
Hmmm.... doesn't the solution seem rather obvious?
1. You asked twice what the pricing was for model girls, and twice you were told firmly (=clearly?) that it was 3-8-12
2. This was done BEFORE choosing the girls
3. You obviously have an issue with 3-8-12 pricing (otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion), thinking that it's too high
Solution: tell the mommies to stuff the model girls up their arses for that price, and pick from the regular girls.
What I really want to question is the price structure of the model gals. I recalled when researching in the thread is that the model gal pricing should be 3-6-9 and I confirmed 2 times with the manager and 2 times with the mommy and was told firmly that the model gals pricing was 3-8-12.
Need to add that the model gals pricing structure was informed before I start choosing the gals. Also, that I asked the manager repeatedly that I heard from a good friend that the model gals pricing structure should be 3-6-9. But was firmly told that it was 3-8-12.
SE Asia Joe
04-25-09, 04:10
Santa;
Shh. Kept it a secret. I will personally bankroll a shipment of electric hair trimmers, some nice brazillian waxing pads, and maybe ten cases of "Nair Hair Remover".coming from you, he surely will not dare to criticize Santa, if he wishes a nice Christmas.
He will go into a KTV and discover that all of the gals are now smooth. Surely he will definitely need to change his taste if he wants Pussy.
Shh. Keep it a secret. Maybe we will initially need to tied him naked to the bad and have all these smooth pussy rubb all over him.
Shhhhh.
I really don't want him to send his "hairy" relatives to come after me.
Btw. Lets make this a "smooth pussy world" this message will self destruct in 24 hours.
Shhhhhhh.......it - you think you can keep this quiet?
All us "au naturelle" lovers are gonna come after your mutilatin' ass.
Not only will your message self destruct - methinks you're gonna get tarrred and feathered out of town.... any town!!
Hmmmm.... Tar and feathered .... and then plucked - sort of like your brazilian wax??
SEAJ
Shhhhhhh.......it - you think you can keep this quiet?
All us "au naturelle" lovers are gonna come after your mutilatin' ass.
Not only will your message self destruct - methinks you're gonna get tarrred and feathered out of town.... any town!!
Hmmmm.... Tar and feathered .... and then plucked - sort of like your brazilian wax??
SEAJUncle SEAJ
Wasn't me. Someone set me up. You know, I would never set you up. I'm was set up. ; D
How can you tar and feather me bro. I'm innocent.
gonna come after your mutilatin' ass.
SEAJ
BnLee, leave me out of that "secret" plan. There is no way i will "mutilate" any of Joe's gals. He wouldn't just "criticize" me, he'd hang my friggin' balls from the top of a christmas tree.
If you give a CP gal a trim you had better not let Joe find out. Believe me, he has a hot temper!
In the far far distant future all things will pass and everyone will be forgiven or slights will be forgotten.
BnLee, leave me out of that "secret" plan. There is no way i will "mutilate" any of Joe's gals. He wouldn't just "criticize" me, he'd hang my friggin' balls from the top of a christmas tree.
If you give a CP gal a trim you had better not let Joe find out. Believe me, he has a hot temper!
Hmmm.... doesn't the solution seem rather obvious?
1. You asked twice what the pricing was for model girls, and twice you were told firmly (=clearly?) that it was 3-8-12
2. This was done BEFORE choosing the girls
3. You obviously have an issue with 3-8-12 pricing (otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion), thinking that it's too high
Solution: tell the mommies to stuff the model girls up their arses for that price, and pick from the regular girls.Well, what I really want to confirm is the price of the model gals because I havent read of such price structure in Peninsula KTV. In other words, I personally do not like to be charged higher than the going rate. If that is really the rate, then I would be more than willing to pay for it. Btw, their model gals is gorgeous. Lol.
Have fun in CP, horny ISG members.
In the far far distant future all things will pass and everyone will be forgiven or slights will be forgotten.I'm glad that you are having a great time in the motherland.
Remember mommy "ah fa", she still owe you a freebie. Remember the biatch from heck she gave you. I gave her a lot of shit for that. She gave me a newbie late last year but I told her that she does not owe me but you.
You fucker Bnlee! You posted pictures of me without my permission. [Deleted by Admin]!
Hey Joe, if you promise not to use a razor I might be available :DSanta,
They may look like you but they are not. They are some of SEAJ "home village" gals. I hear that after the local boys chow down on that body they just pluck one of the gals chest hair out to floss their teeths after a hearty meal of down home pussy. Just some home chow for them. For me hairy gals gives me a "fur ball" in my throat and it is bad for my health. I guess that I will just have to go for the "unlucky" white tiger gals that most of the local boys cast aside.
I really wasn't "jousting" SEAJ, I was trying to get on his good side since he tells me that he loves them "au naturel". For me, I prefer the plucked variety or the ones that looks plucked.
BTW, I hear that SEAJ, smiled when he saw your "***** titties" at the sauna. If you drop anything near him, I would not bend over and pick it up. Just slide it over to a place and squat to pick it up.
Sorry Jackson, I was only joking with BnLee and Joe. I deleted the post.
Maybe I should stop trying to be the funny guy. Besides, I don't think Joe is in the mood for comedy.
Blacklisted
04-28-09, 14:32
End is nigh kidokles! KTV event is ON in CP this Friday, with the world famous AG, the modest, yet always impeccably dressed World Guy Shanghai and of course, yours drunken and truly.
A friend of SE Asia Joe is also in like Flynn and we are always keen for more happy mongerers to join the party.
If you're in town Friday, please PM me for further details.
Only rule is two for one deal and sharing is caring!!!
-BL
ManonsanBoy
04-28-09, 19:57
Called mamasan to send merchandise to a room in Golden Lake hotel. Giggling girl turned up and looked at me; middle age, waist 38 inches and grey hair. Called me senior uncle!
Undressed, showered; still giggling. I wondered whether she was high on something. But senior uncle was not flattered about being called senior uncle. I timed it; first insertion to final creampie; 40 minutes. All positions. She collapsed face first as I withdrew after doggie pounding for 15 minutes.
200 plus 20 for traveling expenses.
Dodgy Fellow
04-28-09, 20:39
Are you drinking that "Great Wall"brand red wine? That stuff is worse than the ripples that the guys on skid row drinks. China needs to make some good red wine. The first time I had it, I almost choke. I need more than 7UP mixed with it to drink it. I need to be stone drunk before I will drink that god awful wine that the locals make.
No Chinese liquor is more rancid than rice wine. The only time I've ever tried it was at a colleague's wedding. Smelled (and tasted) like something you'd put in your car.
If there's a Metro in Dongguan, try a bottle of Campo Largo. It's a Chilean red wine, and an exclusive with the retailer (can't find it in Wal-Mart or Jusco, for instance). It's pretty good, and goes for less than 50RMB a bottle.
And if you had made the mistake of having already paid the mommie her 100 sitting fee at the beginning of the night, she will just disappear on you and get back to the viewing bowl to await another BF for the night!!
Funny story about "BF." Don't really have a Chinese nickname, so when girls ask what to call me, I say Bu (as in Boo or mandarin for cloth). But it also sounds like "NO," so I changed it to the initials B.T. (which alot of people call me). Well, two girls decided to input me into their rolodex as BF instead of BT, claiming that BT means "bien tai" which is pervert in mandarin. First time to hear that for my initials.
Some places in Asia, they call me "Bee Tee" which is mandarin's "snot" or "phlegm". Gross, but sounds cute when cute girls say it so I'm ok with it.
I'm sure I'm not a BF to them, perhaps a BF4 or a BF6 (one of their BFs). haha. Maybe I should I get a chinese nickname next time I hit CP...
Call it a habit, but to begin my mongering, I first go to a Sauna or something like a 37 Dundas to prep me for a few days of humping.
(1) Relaxes you.
(2) Cleans your dick thoroughly.
(3) Cleans your ass.
(4) 2 pops to get you started.
(5) Good clean room, good ambiance.
Ok, I started my trip with Virgin SN.
I went in through the main Hotel lobby. 4th floor. There's also a side entrance which is the same thing. 2 prices: large room 299 (or discount if you reserved earlier) ; small room 278 (or discount if you reserved earlier). Discount is like 10 - 20 rmb. Not too noticeable. I got lucky when I went during the weekend, but it does get FILLED up. It's a popular SN.
Lineups: This is the fun part. It's a costume SN so the girls come in by groups of 4. Working Girl, Bikini, Nurse, Maid, etc. I 've heard Racing Girl but haven't seen it. May be more, but I went through only 7 or so lineups.
What I did was see one of the 4 I liked and reserved her. Saw next lineup, reserve one more. After ready, I ask them to bring in the ones I've reserved and make a final pick from those. Freakin great cause the girls know you'll pick one (or two) and start giving you the pick-me-look.
Getting ready: She takes off your clothes and does a dance for you. My girl happened to be talkative and we had a fun rapport. Her dancing was like 15 minutes with minor stripping of undies. Sanitizes your dick for a BBBJ and if you don't cum in her mouth, she caps you and 1 pop there.
She soaps you and showers you. Ass rims you and blows you for a minute in the shower. Pretty ok. This takes like 20 minutes.
On your back fun: On your back, she does the SN routine. Lightly touches you, lightly blows your back and legs, lightly kisses, lightly sucks. Ass rim and feet, toe suck. This takes like 10 -15 minutes.
On your front fun: Sucks your fingers, nipples, etc. Routine SN stuff. Lots of BBBJ. One BBBJ when standing on bed, one when standing on floor, one sideways, one 360 BJ, one red rope-like up-side down style. Pretty much, a whole lotta position BJ. Could ask for longer if one of those fancies you. Could be variations or things included or omitted depending on girl. One girl put a condom on my toe and inserted it into pussy. One girl did a crucifix BJ on me. Depends. The positions (moves) can be mechanical, since she'll tell you what it's called and do it then she'll move to the next position. This takes about 20-30 min (or more).
Final deed: 2nd pop.
Wash up.
Dress.
300 for girl. 278 or whatever for room (this is SN's take). You can do the girl in your room if you stay in the Virgin Hotel, but the room fee is STILL included. Strictly no photography or videotaping. Ordering of food, drinks are complimentary and sent to your room. Overnight ok and included if you come after 12 am or something (double check first).
I've done the Virgin SN twice. Both times the girls were a good 8 or 9 in looks. There's girls of different types and builds and looks. I'd say there's about 40 or more girls. And I went during the weekend, so it's possible that the hotter ones were already taken. Most of the rooms were occupied. I've yet to get a large room (second time was on a Monday 2 pm, over 10 large rooms already occupied).
Service: I'd say a standard 7 for the mechanical routine. My second time I had a hot girl who went through all the positions and deeds without any additional comment or chat with me. Even then, it's a 7 cause you can't really beat a BBBJ and all the touching you can enjoy.
The first girl hooked me to Virgin SN. We had a good chat and after every position, we'd joke or stop for eye contact. Very fun and very much like a personal experience. Of course, I'm sure they only speak mandarin or if lucky cantonese, so if you only know English, at the very least she'll perform all the standard positions which is not all that bad.
If you're lucky, get her cell phone number and ask her out. But SN girls work quite a lot of hours so getting her on her day off would be a challenge especially from Thurs to Monday, the peak days.
SE Asia Joe
04-29-09, 08:35
Funny story about "BF." Don't really have a Chinese nickname, so when girls ask what to call me, I say Bu (as in Boo or mandarin for cloth). But it also sounds like "NO," so I changed it to the initials B.T. (which alot of people call me). Well, two girls decided to input me into their rolodex as BF instead of BT, claiming that BT means "bien tai" which is pervert in mandarin. First time to hear that for my initials.
Some places in Asia, they call me "Bee Tee" which is mandarin's "snot" or "phlegm". Gross, but sounds cute when cute girls say it so I'm ok with it.
I'm sure I'm not a BF to them, perhaps a BF4 or a BF6 (one of their BFs). haha. Maybe I should I get a chinese nickname next time I hit CP...
This is HILARIOUS post!!
GREAT!!
Some of the things these gals get into....and try to get away with!
All because of old softees like you ..... and I!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-30-09, 04:27
Called mamasan to send merchandise to a room in Golden Lake hotel. Giggling girl turned up and looked at me; middle age, waist 38 inches and grey hair. Called me senior uncle!
Undressed, showered; still giggling. I wondered whether she was high on something. But senior uncle was not flattered about being called senior uncle. I timed it; first insertion to final creampie; 40 minutes. All positions. She collapsed face first as I withdrew after doggie pounding for 15 minutes.
200 plus 20 for traveling expenses.
Used to sweat it a bit when I realize a gal I was doin' was younger than my daughter.
Now I don't even think about how I could be the father of the gal's mom - or dad!
Ahhhhh.... ignorance is....heavenly bliss!!
SEAJ
Chang Ping
04-30-09, 09:52
This was posted on another website and I am reposting it here for the benefit and safety of our brothers.
Re: CAUTION in CP or China for that matter. Public Service Announcement Excerpts from Bro SinoView. KIDNAP
KIDNAP KIDNAP KIDNAP and ROBBERY IN CP
One of our bro called me this morning while I was in the office said that he was kidnapped in CP yesterday afternoon in broad day light. Almost similar to the kidnap saga experienced by the ABC in the other warning thread in this forum.
Let's this bro call this Bro K. He didn't read the "kidnap warning" in this forum. Reason is he said that the forum have too much "tok cok" and thus difficult to find the facts and info for a guy like him who only get into the forum once or bi weekly.
Bro K was walking alone near the DVD shop opposite Virgin hotel when this young "mamasan" in her early 20s approached him. He followed her to the bu xing er jie aka Walking Street 2 behind Hua Ren which he thought was safe since the street is quite busy. Up they went to an aprt on the 3rd floor
Once inside the aprt. Four men age around 20 were waiting. He was tied up in a chair and force to surrender all his belongings. After they took his cash, they forced him wif violence to review the pin number of the ATM and credit cards that was with him. K felt that the kidnappers though very aggressive but were quite new and inexperience as the rope they use to tie him up ll quite loosely done and weak. So he gave them some numbers fm the sky just to escape their beating.
That lady and one guy then wento the bank to withdraw the money while the other three were chatting away in the hall. K sensed the opportunity to escape after he managed to loosened up the rope. He ran toward the main hall and tried to open the door. He started shutting for help "? " at the top of his voice when he found that the door was locked. The three men ran toward him and held him back while K used all the strength banding on the door and shouting as loud as he can.
Very fortunate a man voice from outside was heard. Telling those in the aprt to open the doors. The three kidnappers tried to tell the man outside that they ll having fun but K's persistent shouts and screams managed to convince that it's more than just fun. Then the voice from outside called for the kidnappers to open the door or he ll called the police came.
After some verbal discussion, all of the sudden the three kidnappers opened the doors and made a dash for the stairs.
K then called the police 110 with the help of the gentleman outside who happened to be a security guard himself (not sure if its for the same building). He was still in his uniform then. K thanked the good security man for saving his life.
Two policemen who were on petrol arrived within five minutes. Then follow up by another two more presuming fm the station. After listening to K the policemen search the aprt. They discovered a bag inside which there were four tablets which seems like sleeping pills and a mobile phone used the kidnappers to play music in order to hide the "happening" in the room.
On the way to the police station, a policeman told K that in the last "similar" case he hadndled, the Hk man lost 30, 000rmb. K was lucky to lose only 3, 000plus rmb.
Brother here. Please be fully aware that such kidnap and robbery scams are veri real in DG probably due to the adverse effect of the economic crisis whereby the jobess rate is very high.
Not only money ll be lost, it can also be quite life threatening. What if one of the kidnappers panic and pushed a knife into the victim. That ll be a tragic ending. K called me to inform bro here of his ordeal and to be aware of his mistake. Anyone who wish to have more details can PM me. I ll forward K's email to him.
Have fun but be safe.
This was posted on another website and I am reposting it here for the benefit and safety of our brothers.
K called me to inform bro here of his ordeal and to be aware of his mistake. Anyone who wish to have more details can PM me. I ll forward K's email to him.
Have fun but be safe.
You can't receive PM or send PM. Please look at your profile. I believe you but I have a few questions.
Dan Hawaii
05-01-09, 21:32
Hi senior members of the best forum in the world. ;) I finally got the chance to go back to paradise on May 26 to June 2. Probably going to stay on the CP strip in Miraton or Hui Hua. And thinking of staying at GoodView for 1 or 2 days. If anyone wants to join forces for BBSing and KTVing, please PM me with your CP phone number or email address. I lost my SIM card, so I do not have a number to give to you. I'm going with 3 other friends and meeting another good friend that lives in HK.
Which brings me to another question about accessing ISG when in China. Anyone know of a good VPN or another meothod?? Once in China and I get a new SIM, I don't mind posting my number on the forum, cause it gets thrown away/lost when I go home anyway.
After CP, we are heading to PI again. Most likely Angeles City.
I hope to see some familiar faces, OAH, SEAJ, Wadman, AG, Santa, FreePeaks, JimTraveler, and others.
Flyguy 1974
05-02-09, 19:08
Has promised bro SA Joe to write something for my last trip to CP. It was indeed a tiring trip as we spent 2 full days at the canton fair. We stayed at hui hwa hotel therefore the 1st night we were settled at their KTV. It was a Tuesday nite and we were there before 6. 30pm. Selection of girls were superb we managed to pick 10 girls rating 7-9/10 (4 person) everyone of us went back to the room with the girls we wanted the second nite we went to crown prince but as we got back late from guangzhou cantonfair, we reached there about 8pm and most of the prettier one has already been booked. Therefore we spent the entire night with the mummy and DJ. We went back to hotel without any girls on that night. We were at hui hwa KTV again on the third nite. I have managed to find a China movie star looks alike girl and was told by manager she is one of the most beautiful girl there. Booked her for the night. Service was not up to standard. Lesson learned!
Beijing Xiber
05-03-09, 07:05
Thanks to OAH's advice that the P4P was quite good in the DG saunas, last month, my buddy and I tried out the Spa at Super Hotel in ChangAn. The hotel actually has a Super 8 Hotel name, but it is not part of the chain so if you look for it online, search Super Hotel in ChangAn. There is a direct bus from Lok Ma Chao and HuangGuang border that runs every 30 minutes to the hotel for 50RMB. When facing the entrance to the lobby and before going into the hotel, turn right and walk about 15 meters and enter the door that goes into a tea shop lobby area where you will find the spa staff.
It actually is not a real sauna spa, at least as far as what we saw. We were told there is a foot massage on the 2nd floor but we never saw it as we opted for the FS and were escorted directly to the 5th floor where they have private hotel rooms with private baths and saunas. We were told if you arrive later in the evening, you can stay overnight for free which would make it quite a good deal. Quality of room was 4 stars.
The girls were brought in lineups of about 6 at a time and are priced at 4, 5, 6 & 8 depending on the color of their numbered tags. The 4’s come into the room in see through night gowns, say ni hao and proceed to lower their see through tops to give an unobstructed view. The 5’s & 6”s are taller and wear KTV nightclub type gowns and do not show there wares.
We arrived at around 2:30 pm and saw about 4 lineups of 4,’s, 5’s & 6’s before we started getting repeats. My buddy chooses a 5 and later told me great service. I was quite tired and had decided and already told my buddy and the papasan that if nothing really caught my fancy I would opt for a foot massage on the 2nd floor. But papasan was up to the challenge.
He scurries out and 10 minutes later comes back with a true stunner that looked like Maggie Cheung, the HK move star, in her younger days but with a much better body and tremendous natural rack. Papasan tells me she is a free lancer and costs is an 8. Before anyone starts flaming me, you had to have seen her to appreciate the quality of just how beautiful she is. Soft pearl white skin. Not a blemish on her any where (believe me I looked) and a natural rack to die for! I was in heaven.
Service as a 10 out of 10 and she was game to do anything I asked, no questions asked. Since I was tired, I told her she was going to really have to work. She smiled and then proceeds to ride me cowgirls style for at least 20 minutes at which time she whispers in my ear in Chinese “I come now, ok?” Not being one to disappoint a lady I said sure go ahead. Now whether she did or was faking it I’ll never know but if it was a fake O it was great acting and tremendous for an old dog’s ego. She laid her head down for a few minutes then tried to get me to pop but to no avail.
So she asks me to wash off little brother in the shower and then proceeds to give me one of the best BBBJ in recent memory. I still find it hard to believe a person can move her head up and down that quickly without getting whiplash. She did not have me CIM but a given the state she then had me in, it didn’t matter.
Form start to pop the experience was about 45 to 60 minutes after which we rested, talked and she invited to take me out to dinner, her treat! Unfritutnelty, we had to get back to SZ that evening so had to pass on the free meal (but I am sure there would have been another charge of some sort or the evening!)
Overall experience: 10/10
Looks: 10/10
Service: 10/10
Total Damage: 800 RMB
But here is the sad part, and everyone can now flame me for it. I forgot to get her name, or mobile number and since she was a freelancer, she did not wear a numbered tag. I think I’ll flame myself for that matter!!! What a dumb *&&^%. I must have been really tired!
Keep safe out there.
BJXB
PS- OAH, I'll be in SZ/DG at end of May and still owe you a beer!
Hi senior members of the best forum in the world. ;) I finally got the chance to go back to paradise on May 26 to June 2.
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hey man, your trip is gonna hit the Chinese holiday on May 28, 29, and 30th...perhaps even 31st. That 4 day holiday usually has people going "home" and stuff. Not sure what the holiday is about, but I think it involves praying, going to temples, or stuff like that...
Ravensclaw
05-03-09, 14:38
Hi to all our bros out there. I do not post often as I have not had the chance to go to CP that often but me and my bros have just got back from a lovely time in CP and I would like to report back on our findings and if this report is long winded sorry.
Hotel
We at first booked the mariton but were told that because of the fair it was to be 398 per person per room no discount what so ever even though we have stayed there every time we go to CP and there are six of us. Instead we book though a contact there who now works at the Manhattan hotel. Total damage pp for 15 nights was 3800 rmb, so it works out much cheaper than the mariton but the hotel looked good but nothing was working properly, things came off in our hands, room service was lousy, house keeping kept forgetting things, phones did not work in the rooms, tv worked when they wanted to and the internet didn't always work. But as we thought we got a good price and were stuck there we allowed it. Senior and other members please tell me if that was a good price.
Swan Lake
First up the area on swan lake road, now this being the fourth time we have stayed in CP but 1st time in swan lake road, I would advise that all newbies to not stay there and if for safety others to be very careful staying in that area. In all our times in CP we have never seen anything that looked dangerous, and we are very safe at all times too but in the 14 days we were there we saw four different fights once just outside the hotel and once outside where we were eating, many many strange looking people who hang around you who look like they are scoping you out, so you have to be extra on your toes if you stay in the area. If you do get into a fight finish it quick as back up come very fast. Shopping is crap in the area and we ended up always taking a taxi back towards the other areas for shopping and to change money. The good part of it was that there was so much candy in the streets at all times more than other areas that we have stayed.
Saunas
Saunas are much report on the site and I don't really have anything to add expect that the Mariton, Virgin and Huimei are the best three but the virgin rooms are the worse. Service wise they are all the same with slightly different routines so try and then pick the girl you like. One of my bro did like his sauna girl very much and booked her to go KTV with him a few times and the price he paid was the same if she was a KTV girl.
BBS
We only tired this twice this time in our hotel and again it was disappointing, long wait and the girls were not up to the ones we seen in the other areas and in one case the girls were even rude to us when we told them we did not seen anyone we liked. The mama also asked for taxi money since we did not take any girls.
Canton
We took a day out from ktvs during our 2nd week there and took the girls we like down to canton to a water theme park, it was billed as the most biggest and best theme park in the world. Entrance was 80/90 per person and it was not as grand as it made out to be and a lot of the flutes were closed but we did have a fun day, we rented two vans to take 12 down and it came up to about 200 x 6, the girl fee and then buying swimming costumes and towels for the girls and dinner, so not as cheap as you think but the girls enjoyed it and so did the bros.
KTVs
Now this the bit want to report on really, in the 14/15 days we were there we went to 9 KTVs. Manhattan, Jiaya and another one near the area but I can't remember the English name, its the hotel with the big spa in it too. Didn't go to any others as we had so much fun in the places we went and also because we knew people and they wanted us to help them fill their quotas. The cheapest bill for six guys and regardless of how many girls were in the room as we paid them ourselves depending on how many we had was 3100 for the room and then the dj costs and sometimes the djs asked us to pay for of the serving people 100rmb too, the most expensive bill was at the KTV whose name I can't remember was 4400rmb alone not including the dj cost. Manhattan was line up but in no one as many girls as in Jiaya and the other one came into your rooms, as to which KTV had the best looking girls then all of them had stunner's and ugly chicks too. So it was down to your own judgment, as to fun once it started all KTV rooms are nearly the same and once in the full flow of things not much difference where you are really. Manhattan is not fully opened yet as some of the floors on there are closed and once when I lent against the railing they came over to tell me not to and pushed it to show how much the dam thing wobbled and I was on the 5th floor of the KTV. The thing that got to me this time and I am not sure if it is down the credit crunch but everyone seem to be out to get the last penny from out of us and I am not talking about the KTV girls, they were the same, if you played it right they would just take what you gave them but if you made out you were easy pickings then they may try and ask for small gifts but that is how the game is played. As we have got to know a few people everyone was asking us to book the rooms though them even people in the same company and it got tiresome for us, we also saw in fighting from the mummy's, managers who pretending to be friendly and then asked my mates because it was a Sunday and business was slow to open up another room to help him out and it would only be 200/300 but ended up being nearly 700. This was at Jaiya, so warning to all, they all pretend to be your friends but anit no such thing, they just want your money but my mates felt it was money well spent to see the real person behind. As this will only happen with us and they have lost us as customers. Two of my mates got on well with the mummys and slept with them, one didn't charge anything but one when finished said her rate was 1500-2000, my mate said no one and only gave her 1000 and he told her that this was already giving her face. Four days later she comes into our room at Manhattan to ask for the extra 500 and when told no she ask for 300 saying she can't pay her rent, my mate still said no and told her to leave. When I was coming back into the room she shouted out to me something about my bro, I told her to shut up and not to talk about my bro, then she said that if we didn't pay she would call some people up to fight us, I told her there and then I anit scared of anybody in the uk or in China and if she wanted to bring it, bring it on. There were another 3 mommys with her and they were telling her to shut up and pushing her back, one of them came in the room to say sorry and asked if we wanted to change rooms just in case, we replied no but decided to end the day early just in case mad ***** did do anything. Other than these things once again the group had a good time but just remember to be careful out there. On a side note I have read that sometimes the DJs and other people give you freebies and discounts but I don't think we have seen this and does anyone know the price for the beers?
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ManonsanBoy
05-03-09, 22:27
Was at Sunny Hotel, Tangxia saturday. 1 pm after golf. Second line up saw a 8 that I can remember from around 6 months ago. She recognises me a waves, with a big smile. Chose her.
Usual shower, scrub and catbath. Started sucking and presented me with a 96. I DATY instead and she literally convulsed and bucked. She pulled me on top and fucked really aggressively. She showed every sign of physical arousal. Eventually, she rode me and continued even when I moaned that I was about to come. I came inside her.
I was a little surprised by all these events.
Turns out she had been at home for 2 months. Basically looking at suitors. None she wanted. All very chase. She was also super horny because she misses the fucking. I was her first fuck after coming back. She was so glad I chose her as she can remember the last time. She siad she almost seduced one of the fu yuen she was so horny.
She then wanted second round! I was not up to it but after 96, during which she came, I mounted her again and fell exhausted after 20 minutes, cuming a second time.
Working girls get horny too.
Fast Eddie 48
05-04-09, 02:20
Was at Sunny Hotel, Tangxia saturday. 1 pm after golf. Second line up saw a 8 that I can remember from around 6 months ago. She recognises me a waves, with a big smile. Chose her.
Usual shower, scrub and catbath. Started sucking and presented me with a 96. I DATY instead and she literally convulsed and bucked. She pulled me on top and fucked really aggressively. She showed every sign of physical arousal. Eventually, she rode me and continued even when I moaned that I was about to come. I came inside her.
I was a little surprised by all these events.
Turns out she had been at home for 2 months. Basically looking at suitors. None she wanted. All very chase. She was also super horny because she misses the fucking. I was her first fuck after coming back. She was so glad I chose her as she can remember the last time. She siad she almost seduced one of the fu yuen she was so horny.
She then wanted second round! I was not up to it but after 96, during which she came, I mounted her again and fell exhausted after 20 minutes, cuming a second time.
Working girls get horny too.Mananson boy,
You are a lucky dog, didn't even need ask ask for extra shots, I hope she give you a tip after for all your extra work.
Fast Eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
05-04-09, 09:30
Eventually, she rode me and continued even when I moaned that I was about to come. I came inside her.
You mean..... you did her without a condom and you came inside her?
Mean da dope. ;)
Dan Hawaii
05-04-09, 09:40
KTVs
Now this the bit want to report on really, in the 14/15 days we were there we went to 9 KTVs. Manhattan, Jiaya and another one near the area but I can't remember the English name, its the hotel with the big spa in it too. Didn't go to any others as we had so much fun in the places we went and also because we knew people and they wanted us to help them fill their quotas. The cheapest bill for six guys and regardless of how many girls were in the room as we paid them ourselves depending on how many we had was 3100 for the room and then the dj costs and sometimes the djs asked us to pay for of the serving people 100rmb too, the most expensive bill was at the KTV whose name I can't remember was 4400rmb alone not including the dj cost. Manhattan was line up but in no one as many girls as in Jiaya and the other one came into your rooms, as to which KTV had the best looking girls then all of them had stunner's and ugly chicks too. So it was down to your own judgment, as to fun once it started all KTV rooms are nearly the same and once in the full flow of things not much difference where you are really. Manhattan is not fully opened yet as some of the floors on there are closed and once when I lent against the railing they came over to tell me not to and pushed it to show how much the dam thing wobbled and I was on the 5th floor of the KTV. The thing that got to me this time and I am not sure if it is down the credit crunch but everyone seem to be out to get the last penny from out of us and I am not talking about the KTV girls, they were the same, if you played it right they would just take what you gave them but if you made out you were easy pickings then they may try and ask for small gifts but that is how the game is played. As we have got to know a few people everyone was asking us to book the rooms though them even people in the same company and it got tiresome for us, we also saw in fighting from the mummy's, managers who pretending to be friendly and then asked my mates because it was a Sunday and business was slow to open up another room to help him out and it would only be 200/300 but ended up being nearly 700. This was at Jaiya, so warning to all, they all pretend to be your friends but anit no such thing, they just want your money but my mates felt it was money well spent to see the real person behind. As this will only happen with us and they have lost us as customers. Two of my mates got on well with the mummys and slept with them, one didn't charge anything but one when finished said her rate was 1500-2000, my mate said no one and only gave her 1000 and he told her that this was already giving her face. Four days later she comes into our room at Manhattan to ask for the extra 500 and when told no she ask for 300 saying she can't pay her rent, my mate still said no and told her to leave. When I was coming back into the room she shouted out to me something about my bro, I told her to shut up and not to talk about my bro, then she said that if we didn't pay she would call some people up to fight us, I told her there and then I anit scared of anybody in the uk or in China and if she wanted to bring it, bring it on. There were another 3 mommys with her and they were telling her to shut up and pushing her back, one of them came in the room to say sorry and asked if we wanted to change rooms just in case, we replied no but decided to end the day early just in case mad ***** did do anything. Other than these things once again the group had a good time but just remember to be careful out there. On a side note I have read that sometimes the DJs and other people give you freebies and discounts but I don't think we have seen this and does anyone know the price for the beers?
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You bro Raven, I think the prices were kind of right...... Kind of depends how much you and your bros drink. If you drink a lot, the bill will be a lot more. Of course they tag you with all kinds of costs, like fruit platters, napkins, snacks, DJs, etc...
In general, if you and your boys suck'em up heavily, then the bills going to be heavy. One secret is to not let the DJ pick up and throw away any glasses that have beer in them, that's the way they make you order more beers. And if no one can speak chinese or read it, then the bills going to be heavy also, hahaha. Funny, but I'm not kidding.
But SEAJ will have something to say about this. And I believe he has gotten KTVing down to a science, where his ktv parties pays the least, but gets the mostest. I will see him in action soon, I hope. Laying the rules down to the mommies, DJs, and managers like a real God Father. I think he says, swan lake has the best deals.
SE Asia Joe
05-05-09, 10:17
You bro Raven, I think the prices were kind of right...... Kind of depends how much you and your bros drink. If you drink a lot, the bill will be a lot more. Of course they tag you with all kinds of costs, like fruit platters, napkins, snacks, DJs, etc...
In general, if you and your boys suck'em up heavily, then the bills going to be heavy. One secret is to not let the DJ pick up and throw away any glasses that have beer in them, that's the way they make you order more beers. And if no one can speak chinese or read it, then the bills going to be heavy also, hahaha. Funny, but I'm not kidding.
But SEAJ will have something to say about this. And I believe he has gotten KTVing down to a science, where his ktv parties pays the least, but gets the mostest. I will see him in action soon, I hope. Laying the rules down to the mommies, DJs, and managers like a real God Father. I think he says, swan lake has the best deals.
errrrrr..... actually, it's not only me!! A few of us are sticking to the regime - and the end result is that our KTV bills RARELY go over RMB 300 each - majority being in the mid 200's and even as low as RMB170@ at the Jia Yi.
Of course what Dan sez is also corrrect - that it all depends on how much you actually consume. On the other hand, if these sharks at the KTV's (the Mommies, manager, even the DJ's and the gals themselves) see you as being a BSD (wanting to impress that he's got $$'s to spend, or that he's got "connections/guangxi" etc etc), a soft target, a once in a blue moon visitor to CP from overseas, no local connections who may 'come back" on your behalf etc etc then it don't matter how much or how litttle you drink - they're gonna pump your bill up to the "sucker level" one way or the other!!
Like I've always said, the best way is to set all the "rules" PRIOR to starting the evening for a hassle free good time.....and a fair bill at the end of it all.
And just my very humble opinion - but I do think that you guys really did get bilked a bit.
SEAJ
Ps. Dan Hawai, my good buddy - he don't care how much he pays at the KTV's!!
SE Asia Joe
05-05-09, 10:33
YUP - another ISG favorite that's gone upscale and expensive! I'm talking about the Chicken restaurant behind the King Long Hotel.
Went there last night and was greeted by a brand spanking new restaurant - all marble and chandeliers instead of the shabby warehouse of a restaurant that we had gottenn to love and appreciate in the past.... especially the prices!!
I mean, I didn't think that it has been THAT loong ago when I last went there - but I guess you know that things change fast in China!! And changed it did - for one thing, they don't run out of chicken no more - as it was already 8:45 pm when we got there and they still had plenty of stock. For another, the price has practically doubled up to RMB30 for each of their scrawny chickens. 4 of us (2 guys and 2 gals who don't eat!!), 2 chickens plus 4 cheap mostly vegetable dishes.... and the bill came to RMB 198. Oh I know I know - you guys are probably thinking - Jeeez , this SEAJ really is a cheap skate if he's complaining about RMB50 per head - but hell, I remember the prices in the past - and for sure it wouldn't have gone over RMB 120 then!
And whilst I'm on a griping mood - had Dim Sum over at the Miraton (another ISG favorite thing to do in CP) - and when it was time to pay, the waiter verbally told me "RMB 278 please" and I just handed him over RMB 300. He then fumbled with giving me back RMB 22 - which gave me time to think - hey - this seems like a lot! Did they give me the 10% off for my Miraton VIP card?? And asked to actually look at the bill. After a bit of hee-ing and haw-ing - he showed me the bill with my name and membership clearly printed opn it ...... and a total of RMB 258! That S.O.B. was trying to gyp me for RMB 20!! Man..... I got the manager over pronto and gave it to them. I mean,. this is the Miraton - where one would expect that the staff would at least be a bit more honest - or that at least that they ain't gonna resort to such stupidly simple tactics.
But you guys watch out - even at the Miraton!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-05-09, 10:49
Yup - CP style customer service - or "Ask and yee shall receive!"
All I did was mention it to a couple or so mommies for "White Tigers" and now I've got all sorts of characters offering me White Tigers!! Even a couple of my so to call 'regulars' are actually referring these W.T's to me!! Cain't believe this!! Now I'm probably pegged as being the perverted old guy who's running around trying to do hairless pussies!!
I walk into a BBS and I'd have a mommie excitedly pulling me into a side room with "her W.T." asking.... no demanding... that I go ahead and "examine the goods" I mean - the hapless gal would just stand there all embarrased and the mommie would be pulling down her shorts to show me her bare nooky! Incredible - just incredible!!
I mean, these gals ARE quite hard to "sell" as the Chinese do believe that if you do a White tiger, you would have Bad Luck for 3 years!! And Man.... here's a sucker who's actually looking for these WT's!!
Damn.... so much bare nookies, and so little time!
SEAJ
BBS: These are usually with mamasans (or mommies) who pull customers into a red/pink-lighted room (kinda large) with anywhere between 4 to 20 girls sitting in a row. You may have more than one mommie trying to persuade you to pick her "girls" by showing you her tits, putting her arms around you, or commenting on how both of you look good together.
Pros: Good quality of girls every once in a while. Have quite a range of girls from very young, to cute, to tall, to chubby, to whorish-looking, to quiet-looking, and more. Depends on your taste, luck, and time of selection. Cheap. Take her to your hotel is recommended.
Cons: Go with a partner. You go in, they lock the door behind you. Perhaps it's a "real" BBS, perhaps it's a cover for an ambush. I would not recommend for newbies or for those adventuring without a guide. For non-Mandarin or non-Cantonese speakers, I'd beware and wouldn't recommend.
I was shown to three places with BBS.
In front of Swan Lake Hotel. There are alleys directly across from SWL hotel (or Clipper). I think the mamas would call you and take you down the alley. Not much for signs or banners. It's kinda hidden so again, go with an experienced guide or use the phone to call for BBS girls. Don't go alone and if you're not sure, don't go IN.
Anyhow, my CP sensei took me to one of the BBS here and I was shown around 8 girls. The room looked like a roller skate ring or a dance floor. Plenty of space in the middle for you to walk around and look at the girls and choose. I went on a weekend and at 3 pm. Saw 2 ok girls since they were sitting but my CP sensei introduced me to a STUNNER. Great body, Great attitude, GREAT all around. She was petite, almost perfectly proportioned, and had a cute voice. Around 160 or 164 with high heels. Paid 100 to mama and took her to my hotel. Afterwards, paid 120 to her for sex and cab ride. That's the rate 220 RMB total. You'd be tempted to overpay, or tip, but don't.
2nd BBS.
In front alleys of Yalan Hotel. This is the famous BBS places of CP. A friend took me here for my first trip but he's been here before. So again, recommended to punt in pairs or more. But these places should be a bit safer since it's well-known. Be cautious though.
Saw 3 BBS places before selecting girls. One place had 5 girls (we went on a weekend at again 3 or 4ish pm). Said our goodbyes and made empty promises to return later. Second place I think was ok, but didn't choose. The last place had maybe 10 girls and two or more mommies. One mommy grabbed my friend and introduced her girls to him and the other grabbed me and showed me two girls. I liked my girl and but didn't choose just yet. Wanted my friend to choose, and he did. Just then, more guys came in and if you don't choose fast, your girl WILL be chosen right in front of you. Got the girl I liked who was quiet, sweet-looking, and kinda shy. Paid mama 100 RMB and took girl to my hotel. Finished and gave her 120 for sex and cab ride. 220 RMB total.
3rd BBS.
Behind Hui Mei Hotel. There's a street of steel doors on one side of the street. Further down are BBQ small shops that are open until late at night. Anyway, we had over 12 people exploring this area. We went into the BBSs like a swarm of young, pussy seeking studs (yes, we are studs in looks and behavior) and went to 3 BBSs along that road. Each place were quite small, but had around 10 girls. Again, many were do-able and perhaps there's ONE that three or more guys in the group will fight over. Happened to a friend who pulled the trigger EARLY and got her before the rest of us had any say. She was petite and VERY cute. ** I inadvertently stated that the pricing here is 100 to mommy and 100 to girl. But I made a mistake. As rectified by others, it is 50 rmb to mommy and 100 to girl. So total of 150 to girl and add an extra 10 rmb if a cab ride back to BBS is needed**
Caution: Some BBS girls don't do BBBJ or any BJ. Some may rush it to get back to the BBS for the next customer. Some may ignore you and become a dead fish. 100 or 120 for sex and cab ride (if no cab ride, deduct 10 RMB). Prepare your own condom and lock all valuables in the safe. Have the money ready without opening the lock. Don't expect girls to have change. Get change from front desk if necessary. And again, I can't stress the caution of following a mommie to her BBS, no matter what she promises and how sweet-n-innocent she looks. There's a possibility she will entrap you (and perhaps your friend) in an apartment. Perhaps get her card, call from your hotel, and have the girls go to your room.
Overall, BBSs are pretty fun for a 30 to 40 minute quickie.
BruceTea, my new and excitable friend,
Caution: Some BBS girls don't do BBBJ or any BJ.
Actually, most BBS girls in CP will blow now. The trick is to get her and her mommie to agree to it BEFORE you take her. If you don't discuss this before, there is not incentive for her to do it. You still have to pay her anyway, and you don't really have grounds for legitimate complaint.
Some may rush it to get back to the BBS for the next customer.
Usually the girls are in big hurry to get back to her shop on weekends. A lot less so on weekdays
Some may ignore you and become a dead fish. 100 or 120 for sex and cab ride (if no cab ride, deduct 10 RMB).
No cab ride = 100 rmb. Cab ride from most hotels should be 10 rmb during the day. After 11 pm, when the night rate kicks in for the cab, it may be a little more than 10 rmb depending on the hotel->BBS distance. Of course, the girls will tell you that it's more. Your standard comeback should be: "Hey, even I can manage to take a cab from the BBS to my hotel, why can't you?" Chances are, you just did that (taking the cab back to the hotel with your girl), and the girl saw what you paid too.
BBS: Afterwards, paid 120 to her for sex and cab ride. That's the rate 220 RMB total. You'd be tempted to overpay, or tip, but don't.
2nd BBS.
Finished and gave her 120 for sex and cab ride. 220 RMB total.
3rd BBS.
Behind Hui Mei Hotel. Same deal as before.
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Sounds like you inadvertantly overpaid behind the Hui Mei Hotel. The price there is 50rmb to mommy and 100 to girl.
Some guys are now bargaining at the other 200rmb shops and are now paying 70rmb to mommy and 100 to the girl. You paid total of 220rmb. That was reasonable. Extra 10 for taxi and 10 for good service tip.
Mike is right about the blowjob service, you must ask the girl about the service and get her to agree ahead of time, before you agree to take her, before you hand over any money. If she says no to the blowjob in the shop, and you take her anyway, that's ok, that's up to you. At least now you know not to expect it and you will not be arguing with her in the hotel room.
You also need to tell them you do not want rushed service. But don't expect the gal to live up to your expectations, she will probably try to rush the job regardless of what they told you in the shop.
Not all shops have the same prices. The catacombs are only of 50rmb.
Ni hui chui dao bao4 ma? You able blow to explode ma?
Good luck, and hope that helps you get better service and rates.
3rd BBS.
Behind Hui Mei Hotel. There's a street of steel doors on one side of the street.... Same deal as before.Same deal as before? Meaning same pricing as at the other two BBS? At 100Y for mommie plus 120 for girl, inclusive cab or tip?
I've been to the other two places you mentioned, but I'm more familiar with the alley behind the Hui Mei and used to hang around for hours with the mommie-sisters at the end BBS nearest the main road. It was always 50Y upfront to the mommie and 100 payable to the girl after. Plus whatever tip you felt like giving. So, 150Y. Same rate as at all the other shops in that alley. That was in 2008. You're saying it is now 200Y?
This is the BBS rate in CP? For 2009? Or is the 200Y rate a angmo rate? Better value in SZ at 100Y.
Same deal as before? Meaning same pricing as at the other two BBS? At 100Y for mommie plus 120 for girl, inclusive cab or tip?
I've been to the other two places you mentioned, but I'm more familiar with the alley behind the Hui Mei and used to hang around for hours with the mommie-sisters at the end BBS nearest the main road. It was always 50Y upfront to the mommie and 100 payable to the girl after. Plus whatever tip you felt like giving. So, 150Y. Same rate as at all the other shops in that alley. That was in 2008. You're saying it is now 200Y?
This is the BBS rate in CP? For 2009? Or is the 200Y rate a angmo rate? Better value in SZ at 100Y.
No, the rate is still 150Y behind HuiMei. In fact, prices have become even more competitive because of the bad economy.
The mom will ask for 200 if she does not recognise you and thinks you don't know. If you hand her a 100rmb note in the shop she will not want to give you 50rmb change. Make sure you have 50s and 10s in change before you go shopping.
Sounds like you inadvertantly overpaid behind the Hui Mei Hotel. The price there is 50rmb to mommy and 100 to girl.
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Please forgive me, I will edit my post.
I didn't take the girl out at the BBS behind the Hui Mei. A friend of mine did after browsing through 3 shops. I was not aware that he paid the mommy 50 rmb instead of the 100 rmb I was familiar with in other BBSs.
It's my error and I apologize for confusing you and other readers.
So yes, the BBS behind the Hui Mei is 50 rmb to mommie and 100 for sex to the girl. Add another 10 RMB if there needs a cab ride for the girl back to the BBS.
SE Asia Joe
05-06-09, 05:39
brucetea, my new and excitable friend,
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yup - gotta gree with wadman that you are an excitable - and lotsa fun - friend aintcha??!! and this is what happens to one who's a cp newbie and have had little experience here.
so you guys contemplating coming over - beware!!! once you catch the cp flu, you ain't gonna shake it off for life!! at least that's what happens to most of us!!
and on bee tee's observation of the 3 types of bbs's - well, actually there are quite a few more types:
1. what we call the yalan bbs's are those around the yalan hotel as well as the alley way directly perpendicular to the swan lake hotel. favorite haunt of the hong kong crowd and thus the 200 pricing. strictly speaking, most places we refer to here as being bbs's are not bbs's as they are just rooms where gals sit around being marketed by their mommies/minders. these type place which we at isg refer to as being bbs's are actually named "farms" by locals and hong kongers.
2. the bbs's attached to a cheaper ktv - like the swan lake ktv one where the pricing is 1-3-6 for ktv sessions but which also operate as a bbs where the pricing is 200 s/t and 500 o/n or those around the yalan hotel with similar pricing.
3. the hui mei alley and the yue hua hotel bbs - 150 st.
4. dong xing san (3) jie or what we named the night market - 130 st and operates from 9, 10 ish to practically dawn - where ktv gals who don't get picked for the night as well as those from other bbs's (which usually closes approx midnight) go to to make some $$.
5. the village behind the walter hotel and the swimming pool - a place superforce christened 'the catacombs" - where the gals are really fresh off the farm, very young (yowich - too damn young!!) and totally controlled and intimidated and controlled by their minders. these gals are strictly "on site" in their little hovels of a room (not allowed to leave. period!!) and its strictly drop trou and hump for 10 minutes for rmb 30 - with a bang on the door every so often to intimidate you to extending your session! not for the faint hearted here; i certainly have not dared to, and as such am not officially a member of the cp gang as i have not passed this initiation rite imposed by oah!
6. rep001tered around cp are true bbs's with actual store fronts that looks as if they are beauty salons - of course with rooms behind - but not very popular with "cp outsiders" as they're quite rep001ered and not easy "to go to the next shop" as are the "farms"
7.areas a bit outside of cp proper (huang jiang, dalang etc) which caters mostly to the locals and thus pricing is quite uniform at 130 st.
you guys got other "types" of bbs's or farms?? (not the saunas or the ktv's - which are of course other sources of gals!!)
seaj
Dan Hawaii
05-06-09, 10:32
Ps. Dan Hawai, my good buddy - he don't care how much he pays at the KTV's!!
I care how much I get overcharged, but I just don't have the "means" to complain. Meaning, I can not read or understand wtf they are writing or saying, respectively.
In general, sometimes it works in my favor, but mostly it doesn't. Sometimes they are asking me for more money, and I know it, but I play dumb and say "chim bu ton-g" . My spelling in Chinese saying "I don't understand".
Hey freepeaks, "turn off the cold" ;)
That's why I want to be blessed and learn from the master, SEAJ.
Can someone give me the phone number or the address to a Red Rope place. I have a friend in CP right now and the red rope place I told him about was closed. So I would appreciate any information that I can give him so he can find a red rope place.
SE Asia Joe
05-07-09, 04:09
I care how much I get overcharged, but I just don't have the "means" to complain. Meaning, I can not read or understand wtf they are writing or saying, respectively.
In general, sometimes it works in my favor, but mostly it doesn't. Sometimes they are asking me for more money, and I know it, but I play dumb and say "chim bu ton-g" . My spelling in Chinese saying "I don't understand".
Hey freepeaks, "turn off the cold" ;)
That's why I want to be blessed and learn from the master, SEAJ.
Dan Dan Dan...... Tsk Tsk Tsk!!
I KNOW that you like to, in your own words "Party Like a Rock Star" - and usually act accordingly. This basically is the source of you and your gang always being overcharged - you have a bad habit of not "laying down the law" when you first get into the KTV room - and instead start off proceedings with "acting like a Rock Star" - as soon as you get in the front door!
So how are the various Mommies, managers, DJ's AND gals supposed to react to all this??!! Yeah!!! BSD's, lotsa $$, hardly knows the language - and most probably NOT going to be back anytime soon!! Time to set in motion the fleecing machine!!`
And let me tell you, there are countless ways and tricks up their sleeves - various manager, mommies, gals coming in to give face to THE VIP's (read that - "suckers") by downing your drinks (even assigning a particular stooge whose ONLY duty is to drink as much of your liquor as he can manage all evening long - he gets a cut of the total drinks sale), pouring out half filled bottles and glasses, getting the gals to order various over-priced snacks and juices (usually one gal will order - which is a signal for the others to "also want one"), boxes and boxes of tissues being used to do.... whatever... the list goes on and on!!
The point is that one of you need to "lay down the law" prior to the start of proceedings, including instructions to the DJ/mommie that ANYTHING being ordered in the room requires this guy's approval AND written out signature.
Look-it, laying down the law prior to proceedings is NOT going to hamper you partying - and in fact it should enhance the experience as all the staff there - including - and especially - the gals know that you ain't just a sucker and know to respect you. None of this "No i don't do this" or "don't do that" - as they then are afraid that you will know HOW to complain if they don't behave themselves - plus of course hope that you will be a return customer (Hey - everybody at the KTV has a quota of KTV room bookings a month to fill or get fined!) instead of a one time Johnny.
Also, if you follow the mantra of always stating what you expect EVERYTIME you first walk in a KTV room (and NO, do not think that the momma or manager you "know" is gonna give you a break - in China - everything is for the right then and there), you will also get ALL the freebies that your expenditure is entitiling you to: B.O.G.O OR B.2.G.O., free snacks and food from the DJ, from the Mommie who supplied you with XX number of gals, Free beer/bottles from other previous customers who has unopened liquor at the end of their evening and has not come back to consume etc etc. You act like you know what you're doing and you will get all that you're entitled to for your $$ instead of being suckered! Rock Stars can party like Rock stars as a lot of people want to be with or seen with them and will go all out to satisfy. Us regular punters partying like Rock Stars? Hell the only reason why they'd go along with this is that they know that they can fleece you dry! Naaaahhh.... you dont end up partying like Rod Stewart, perhaps like Mr. Bean instead!
It's no use to try to get any concessions when you pay the bill - for they've already got you by the balls! Hell, the last time it happened (at the Fuhao, when another guy told me that he will "take charge" - yeah - take charge like shit, I find out at bill paying time), I only managed to get the RMB 2,500 or so bill down by a measly 200 - and spent at least half an hour, arguing, counting bottles and even threatening to call guys in - all for a measly 200!
JUST IMHO - but Christ - I do wish that you once in a blue moon visitors will stop re-inforcing the impression that all us furreners are suckers.
SEAJ
Ps. And of course apologies to Dan for being a bit harsh here!! But your KTV habit is a pretty good example of what NOT to do at a KTV. And you DID state that you wanted to learn!! Anyway, again my apologies!!.
The BBS girl from Lily's shop (in ChangPing) did ask me for 150 rmb afterwards (100 prepaid to mommy, so 250 total). She did it in a nice, polite way. Suggested I (or she) call the mommy because she doesn't want to get into trouble for collecting 100 instead of 150. Which I did. Mommy and girl quickly sorted it out, and both apologized profusely afterwards (yeah, right...) claiming it was all a mistake in communincation on their part, etc.
This is happening more and more with BBS girls in the Yalan area, asking for 250 total. Since it's so systemic, I am guessing it's driven by the mommies. It makes no sense really since Yalan BBS's already charge more than elsewhere.
The correct, non-BSD, prices in ChangPing are:
Yalan BBSs: 200 rmb for ST, 500 for LT
BBS on second floor of Swanlake hotel: 200ST, an extra 100 if you get them to sit in the KTV first.
BBSs in backalleys behind HuiMei hotel 150 ST, 400 LT
Nightmarket BBS: 130 ST, 300 LT (although girls are generally not keen to do LT for 300)
If your hotel isn't close to the BBS where you took the girl from, it's reasonable and expected to give her taxi money. 10 rmb (in CP) is more than enough.
Shenzhen: BBSs are 130/150 ST, LT depends on time of day and place
Elsewhere in DongGuan: usually 130 ST, 400 LT
I really like this post, so i'm gonna include it with my own comment.
You don't expect "quality" from the a place such as the "nightmarket," after all the word itself sounds cheap, but as SEAJ mentioned earlier, they're overworking BBS girls and/or unpicked KTV girls since the nightmarket starts around 11 pm to perhaps 5 am or so. For me, those are good chances of finding a gem.
With the location, I'm sure there's potential for raids. The girls ARE congregated in one area (like 3 or so BBS houses on the left hand of the street with like 15 girls each). But the girls go to the car or outside for all to look and choose, of course with the mommy's help. I went at 1:30 am and saw over 40 girls of all kinds. I was pleasantly surprised and knew I would pick someone and return often afterwards.
I'm surprised the prices are 150 ST (which is fair) and 300 LT. As Wad mentioned, they're not too enthusiastic about 300 for overnight, since I'm sure they get more when at KTV and even BBSs get 400 for LT. But I guess the mentality is that these are the "leftover" chickens no one wants for whatever reasons so the market price is 300 RMB. But when I was there, I found a girl who was in many ways my type and I really enjoyed roaming my hands all over her body.
In any case, SEAJ in an earlier post did mention the Chinese pinyin for the place, "Dong Xing San (3) Jie". I would recommend the place when hunting at 1 am or so. After all, not all KTV girls turn out to be fantastic so you may have the itch to do a little more fucking. I would imagine they'll try to get LT so they get a guaranteed 300 rmb out of the night, and from 1 am to the morning, it ain't a bad deal for the girl, but I haven't tried a LT with a nightmarket girl.
Again, from my limited experience, the quality at the nightmarket ain't bad.
I'm surprised the prices are 150 ST (which is fair) and 300 LT. As Wad mentioned, they're not too enthusiastic about 300 for overnight, since I'm sure they get more when at KTV and even BBSs get 400 for LT. But I guess the mentality is that these are the "leftover" chickens no one wants for whatever reasons so the market price is 300 RMB. But when I was there, I found a girl who was in many ways my type and I really enjoyed roaming my hands all over her body.
In any case, SEAJ in an earlier post did mention the Chinese pinyin for the place, "Dong Xing San (3) Jie". I would recommend the place when hunting at 1 am or so. After all, not all KTV girls turn out to be fantastic so you may have the itch to do a little more fucking. I would imagine they'll try to get LT so they get a guaranteed 300 rmb out of the night, and from 1 am to the morning, it ain't a bad deal for the girl, but I haven't tried a LT with a nightmarket girl.
Again, from my limited experience, the quality at the nightmarket ain't bad.
Night Market quality can be quite volatile - some night gems a plenty others nothing but coal. However, I found out the LT price here actually as low as 250 (50 mommy + 200 girl.) I found this out when I was with some mainland guys who I work with outside of China and we straight to the NM after a 1AM arrival in town. In was the mainland guys first trip to CP. Anyway we were shopping from the vehicle and they discussing prices with the mommies in mandarin (which I couldn't understand.)
My friend asks me if I want to take the girl as the price is only 250. I put on my MR. Know-It-All hat and protest this is a rip off price, blah blah blah. My friend says, "dude that's for all night." That shut me the fuck up and had me tuck my tail! Only one out of three of us took a girl; but she was a real knockout who was usually worked some 2-5-8 KTV. She gave my buddy a great roll that night and again in the morning before leaving around 10AM. Pretty stinking good value if you ask me. Of course, my two friends were subsequently hooked big time on CP.
Dan Hawaii
05-07-09, 18:34
Dan Dan Dan...... Tsk Tsk Tsk!!
I KNOW that you like to, in your own words "Party Like a Rock Star" - and usually act accordingly. This basically is the source of you and your gang always being overcharged - you have a bad habit of not "laying down the law" when you first get into the KTV room - and instead start off proceedings with "acting like a Rock Star" - as soon as you get in the front door!
So how are the various Mommies, managers, DJ's AND gals supposed to react to all this??!! Yeah!!! BSD's, lotsa $$, hardly knows the language - and most probably NOT going to be back anytime soon!! Time to set in motion the fleecing machine!!`
And let me tell you, there are countless ways and tricks up their sleeves - various manager, mommies, gals coming in to give face to THE VIP's (read that - "suckers") by downing your drinks (even assigning a particular stooge whose ONLY duty is to drink as much of your liquor as he can manage all evening long - he gets a cut of the total drinks sale), pouring out half filled bottles and glasses, getting the gals to order various over-priced snacks and juices (usually one gal will order - which is a signal for the others to "also want one"), boxes and boxes of tissues being used to do.... whatever... the list goes on and on!!
The point is that one of you need to "lay down the law" prior to the start of proceedings, including instructions to the DJ/mommie that ANYTHING being ordered in the room requires this guy's approval AND written out signature.
Look-it, laying down the law prior to proceedings is NOT going to hamper you partying - and in fact it should enhance the experience as all the staff there - including - and especially - the gals know that you ain't just a sucker and know to respect you. None of this "No i don't do this" or "don't do that" - as they then are afraid that you will know HOW to complain if they don't behave themselves - plus of course hope that you will be a return customer (Hey - everybody at the KTV has a quota of KTV room bookings a month to fill or get fined!) instead of a one time Johnny.
Also, if you follow the mantra of always stating what you expect EVERYTIME you first walk in a KTV room (and NO, do not think that the momma or manager you "know" is gonna give you a break - in China - everything is for the right then and there), you will also get ALL the freebies that your expenditure is entitiling you to: B.O.G.O OR B.2.G.O., free snacks and food from the DJ, from the Mommie who supplied you with XX number of gals, Free beer/bottles from other previous customers who has unopened liquor at the end of their evening and has not come back to consume etc etc. You act like you know what you're doing and you will get all that you're entitled to for your $$ instead of being suckered! Rock Stars can party like Rock stars as a lot of people want to be with or seen with them and will go all out to satisfy. Us regular punters partying like Rock Stars? Hell the only reason why they'd go along with this is that they know that they can fleece you dry! Naaaahhh.... you dont end up partying like Rod Stewart, perhaps like Mr. Bean instead!
It's no use to try to get any concessions when you pay the bill - for they've already got you by the balls! Hell, the last time it happened (at the Fuhao, when another guy told me that he will "take charge" - yeah - take charge like shit, I find out at bill paying time), I only managed to get the RMB 2,500 or so bill down by a measly 200 - and spent at least half an hour, arguing, counting bottles and even threatening to call guys in - all for a measly 200!
JUST IMHO - but Christ - I do wish that you once in a blue moon visitors will stop re-inforcing the impression that all us furreners are suckers.
SEAJ
Ps. And of course apologies to Dan for being a bit harsh here!! But your KTV habit is a pretty good example of what NOT to do at a KTV. And you DID state that you wanted to learn!! Anyway, again my apologies!!.
No apologies needed, I'm guilty as charged. We like to party like rock stars and act the part. However, most of the times we do have a Chinese speaking person that are well seasoned ktv-ers, like Jim Traveler (sorry to bring you into this Jim) and 2 other good friends that are not on the forum, and the ktv bill still comes out to about the same, plus or minus a couple hundred rmbs. I think we are not professionals like you, SEAJ, and do not counter all the tricks that the ktv staff ploys on us, we just are not as experienced. I mean this in a good way, not sarcasticlly, honest.
Maybe make a LIST of tricks that the ktv employees try to use on us patrons, and some counter measures we can use to stop it. And maybe, if you can, write it in chinese, so I can just hand them this LIST and let them read it so they won't rip us off. That would be priceless.
Better yet, we should start a new thread for this one, so it can be a "work in progress" and be edited daily. That would be awesome !!!! Saving everyone with this GOLDEN KTV LIST a few hundred rmb a night at the ktv!!!!
Hello All,
With the downturn in the economy, but with the recent trade show in Guangzhou, can you guys give me a rough idea as to what I can expect as for a walk in rate for the following hotels:
Hu Hua
Miraton
Swan Lake
Manhattan
Thank you.
OldAsiaHand
05-08-09, 04:00
As most of you know, I am not a fan of KTV and I only go when my leg is pulled by mongering mates. I have to drink a lot for work so I try to avoid alcohol when not necessary to consume it. Also, I find the majority of the KTV girls, especially in CP, to be not that much better than BBS girls when you take away the packaging. That said, I do enjoy hanging out with the group at KTV from time to time.
I think that the basis for overcharging comes from dealing with the local punters. They would consider it a "loss of face" to question the bill. Very rarely do they split the bill as we do. The guy who pays gets the "face" and the bigger the bill, the bigger the "face". This allows the KTV operators to get away with murder. This even applies to the girls. Many of the higher end KTV keep a private stock of talent for the local big hitters. You will not see these girls in the standard line-ups. They are usually in the 9+ range, very tall and command huge money starting at 1,000 RMB for sitting fee only.
My theory is that the local mentality is that the more you pay, the better it is regardless. And, the more you pay, the more face you get.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
05-08-09, 04:42
5. The village behind the Walter Hotel and the swimming pool - a place Superforce christened 'The Catacombs" - where the gals are really fresh off the farm, VERY young (Yowich - too damn young!!) and totally controlled and intimidated and controlled by their minders. These gals are strictly "on site" in their little hovels of a room (NOT allowed to leave. Period!!) and its strictly drop trou and hump for 10 minutes for RMB 30 - with a bang on the door every so often to intimidate you to extending your session! NOT for the faint hearted here; I certainly have not dared to, and as such AM NOT officially a member of the CP Gang as I have NOT passed this initiation rite imposed by OAH!
SEAJ,
You actually get 20 minutes for your 30RMB before they start knocking on the door but I doubt you would want to spend that long in one of those rooms. I remember Bill Lee put his coat on the bed first because he was afraid to lay his bare ass directly on the bed, if you can call wood planks with a straw mat a bed.
It is definitely a "once in a lifetime experience". When are you going to pass the initiation and join the "inner circle" of "real" CP mongers.
OAH
SEAJ,
You actually get 20 minutes for your 30RMB before they start knocking on the door but I doubt you would want to spend that long in one of those rooms.
It is definitely a "once in a lifetime experience".
I'm curious, but why would they "NOT" want you to extend the session? Getting an another 30 RMB sounds money-smart, right?
I can understand if the customer do not want to stay any longer in a yucky small room, but knocking to discourage extending time?
Dan Hawaii
05-08-09, 19:44
I'm curious, but why would they "NOT" want you to extend the session? Getting an another 30 RMB sounds money-smart, right?
I can understand if the customer do not want to stay any longer in a yucky small room, but knocking to discourage extending time?
I think they are knocking on the door to pressure you into extending your time, so they can charge you again. Kind of like getting approval for an extention.
I got the honor of going to the catacombs with OAH and a bunch of other guys, it's not for the faint of heart and do not go there alone. Even with 6 other guys, I was getting sketched out because our group got seperated with only OAH, Wadman, and I roaming around. It's like a maze. Luckily I was with seasoned catacombers. OAH seems to know the place like the back of his hand and all the girls love him, jumping on him in a very playful manner. Like daddy coming home from a long business trip bearing gifts. ;)
OAH seems to know the place like the back of his hand and all the girls love him, jumping on him in a very playful manner. Like daddy coming home from a long business trip bearing gifts. ;)
I don't know why he is such a magnet. Maybe it's that big grin he gets when he sees hookers at work.
OldAsiaHand
05-09-09, 06:08
I don't know why he is such a magnet. Maybe it's that big grin he gets when he sees hookers at work.
Truth be told, I have not been to the Catacombs since the last tour with Dan Hawaii et al. In the past, I used to take ISG mongers on a tour fairly often when asked to so the girls knew me. I am afraid I have lost my notoriety by now.
Many of the girls will not accept foreigners at all and those that do always try to get 50-100 RMB from laowais. The one time I did a girl there I managed to pay 30 RMB because I always refuse to pay more than the local rate.
The place caters mainly to local taxi drivers and migrant construction workers. On a good day, the girls do 10-12 punters.
As I have posted before, this type of action is not unique to CP. It can be found in almost every town in Guangdong, however, it is decreasing in the path of development as areas get upgraded and pressure comes from local residents. Can you imagine paying 1 million RMB for a flat only to find 30 RMB hookers working in the neighborhood? For example, there used to be many areas in the eastern suburbs of Guangzhou but they are now gone from Dashi, Zhongcun and Shi Qiao.
If you want to find this type of action when traveling in Guangdong, just ask one of the local motocycle drivers where the cheap girls are. Most of these guys are regular patrons.
Just my POV.
OAH
Dan Hawaii
05-09-09, 07:36
I don't know why he is such a magnet. Maybe it's that big grin he gets when he sees hookers at work.
Maybe he's gifting Maos. He's an old soft hearted fellow.
Kind of like SEAJ, but instead of gifting Mao's, he gifts cell phones ;)
Maybe he's gifting Maos. He's an old soft hearted fellow.
Kind of like SEAJ, but instead of gifting Mao's, he gifts cell phones ;)
OAH gifting Mao's? No frigin' way!
They must be attracted to the bulge in his pants and that big stupid grin on his face. :D
ManonsanBoy
05-10-09, 21:22
Went to Xiujing in Tangxia. Usual line up of 20 but one had a stunner. Immediately picked her.
Speaks well; from western hills. Second day on job. Used to be KTV girl in CP. Usual sauna service; firm body, competent service.
I asked her why she changed from KTV. She did not want to drink anymore. She also said she only gets picked for ON once or twice a week. She gets 600 of the 800 charge. Most of the time, it is heavy drinking with guests. She expects to make 10,000 a month in the sauna. Interesting.
SE Asia Joe
05-11-09, 05:13
Maybe he's gifting Maos. He's an old soft hearted fellow.
Kind of like SEAJ, but instead of gifting Mao's, he gifts cell phones ;)
Know what guys - I really do think that a lot of W.G. gals - just like anybody else - also treasure personal relations and experiences most. Oh OK, yeah they of course LOVE the money, love the gifts, etc etc - but what "stays" with them?? It's not the $$, the Nokia fones, last night's grand meal - it's what they experienced with you that actually touch their lives.
Yeah, OK, I'm an old softee - no arguing about this - but I've found that its not the material or monetary things that matters to thse gals. Money, things - these are all part and parcel of their "just rewards" for the labour they've performed - with some employers more generous than others - but they're ALL her employers. Period.
You treat them like the human beings that they are, they remember and they are ever so much more loving and repay you back by doing lots of personal things and niceties. And I don;t care if they're Chinese, Thai, American or whatever W.G.'s - this is just what I've found out from my experiences.
Last Friday I bumbed into A Young at the Jia Yi line-up and she was ever so happy to see me (No, not the regular Jia Yi type of "I never want to let you go" routine). What happened was that I first met her approx Nov 2007 and she was one of my regular BBS gals that I could call on to "entertain" me early Sunday mornings before I had to leave to go back home. Then Chinese New Year 2008 she "retired" to her village and have been there until the beginning of this year - something happened (obviously!!) which forced her to have to go back to "work" - poor girl.
After the "deed" I was jokingly complaining to her that now I'm gonna have to pay her RMB500 I/o the old 200 - and I'll be damned if she didn;t tell me not to worry - that if I just give her the RMB 150 that she needs to pay to the mommie, that it is just fine; and in fact she told me to call her anytime and pay her any/even no amount - and just once a month to pay her RMB 350. Her rationale being that at least once a month, she still needed to consider me as a client and charge her usual RMB 500 price less the Mommie fee which she ain't gonna need to give!! NOoooo, I ain't gonna dwell on this rationale at all, rather just point out to you guys that she is treating me like a friend..... I guess!!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. BTW - I went ahead and paid her her full 500 as I do NOT believe in getting freebies from W.G.'s - I just don't - even if they refuse to at first take $$. This is just my own way of thinking/not trying to tell anybody else what to do when offered freebies.
SE Asia Joe
05-11-09, 07:03
As most of you know, I am not a fan of KTV and I only go when my leg is pulled by mongering mates. I have to drink a lot for work so I try to avoid alcohol when not necessary to consume it. Also, I find the majority of the KTV girls, especially in CP, to be not that much better than BBS girls when you take away the packaging. That said, I do enjoy hanging out with the group at KTV from time to time.
NEWSFLASH OAH!! Newsflash! A whole bunch of us don't do much drinking - and some, like Bee Tee actually don't drink AT ALL! But the majority of us still all do go to KTV''s - and basically it's to "hang out" with the guys.
Second Newsflash - it's actually quite "inconvenient/mei Yi Sie/makes for difficult planning" when one or a couple guys in a gang do not want to go to a KTV - as then the rest of us feels as if we're abandoning him as we head off to the KTV. So next time - why dontcha consider joining us and suck on Cokes like a few of us do.
I think that the basis for overcharging comes from dealing with the local punters. They would consider it a "loss of face" to question the bill. Very rarely do they split the bill as we do. The guy who pays gets the "face" and the bigger the bill, the bigger the "face". This allows the KTV operators to get away with murder. This even applies to the girls. Many of the higher end KTV keep a private stock of talent for the local big hitters. You will not see these girls in the standard line-ups. They are usually in the 9+ range, very tall and command huge money starting at 1,000 RMB for sitting fee only.
And this is the rationale that a lot of foreign BSD's uses - thinking that if they start acting like a BSD, that they are gonna get better gals, better service, better face etc - whilst the reality is that these mommas/managers/gals can smell these "one time Johnnies" a mile away and really slam them on the charges!! So, not only are they gonna get their bills very amply padded, they're also gonna have lots of people sneering and laughing their asses off.... behind their backs.
My theory is that the local mentality is that the more you pay, the better it is regardless. And, the more you pay, the more face you get.
Just my POV.
OAH
And since I really don't give a damn about getting face - but care a lot about getting a fair deal, I recommend that guys from ISG should act accordingly. NO I don't suggest that one should nickle and dime everytime and everything - just outline YOUR own terms and get what is due to you.
Too many BSD's getting all hopped up about the mommies giving them Free beers or free foods - boasting that this or that mommmie gave him face as he is a BSD. Well...... that is total B.S. -the only reason the mommie/DJ/Mgr can give away anything free is that the sucker's passed the amount of spend entitling her to give away such freeby. This is fine and dandy if this BSD is gonna pick up the whole bill - as happens most times when being entertained by locals - but hell, if I have to share the bill - why should I have to share and pay for this BSD to get his lousy face????
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-11-09, 08:37
Maybe make a LIST of tricks that the ktv employees try to use on us patrons, and some counter measures we can use to stop it.
I posted a list 4-21-09, #469 of this thread. Not sure if this is the way to direct you to the post :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=872633&postcount=469
And a bit of a follow up #474
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=872675&postcount=474
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-11-09, 09:05
Hello All,
With the downturn in the economy, but with the recent trade show in Guangzhou, can you guys give me a rough idea as to what I can expect as for a walk in rate for the following hotels:
Hu Hua
Miraton
Swan Lake
Manhattan
Thank you.
Hey Ckckck - you coming back soon huh?
The Canton Trade Fair is over for now and thus the hotel prices are back down. Following prices are what I BELIEVE are the rock bottom prices available - AND WHICH of course depends on your negotiation skills/previous stay rate/somebody booking for you etyc etc and even which floor you want (higher, more expensive tc) and of course week-end surcharges, approx RMB30-40 more. Wouldn't even want to venture a guess what they'd try to get you for on a walk in basis!
Hui Hua - 288 (lower floor)
Miraton - 298 ( " )
Swan Lake - 198 (no week-end surcharge)
Manhattan - 238 for the very small room, 268 for the regular room
All except the Swan Lake including 1 buffet breakfast.
And by the way - on the directions you gave me last time
SE Asia Joe
Further to your post, I decided to do some investigative work. The place in question is as follows: On the road to Yalang market, you will pass the night market. After the night market, you will come to a moat. Immediately after the moat, make a left. You will then be travelling with the moat to your left. Travel quite a bit and you will reach the place. Closed doors - look for the colored lights and greeters. The amount is for dine in.
I still could not find the RMB 50 place you stumbled upon. Howzabout this time yo go ahead and TOFTT/try it and write us a full report - with the complete directions/address of course!!
Thanks
SEAJ
Pointpanic
05-11-09, 14:11
Thats pretty much the way I see CP. Bill Lee and I used to regularly contact former KTV or BBS girls to see how they were doing; whether they were going home for CNY and we used to carry maps so they could tell us their personal stories from the villages. I actually stay in contact with them on the internet just to understand their lives. I also agree that it would be great for the BBS guys to stop by and have a coke with the rest of the guys. PP
NEWSFLASH OAH!! Newsflash! A whole bunch of us don't do much drinking - and some, like Bee Tee actually don't drink AT ALL! But the majority of us still all do go to KTV''s - and basically it's to "hang out" with the guys.
Second Newsflash - it's actually quite "inconvenient/mei Yi Sie/makes for difficult planning" when one or a couple guys in a gang do not want to go to a KTV - as then the rest of us feels as if we're abandoning him as we head off to the KTV. So next time - why dontcha consider joining us and suck on Cokes like a few of us do.
And this is the rationale that a lot of foreign BSD's uses - thinking that if they start acting like a BSD, that they are gonna get better gals, better service, better face etc - whilst the reality is that these mommas/managers/gals can smell these "one time Johnnies" a mile away and really slam them on the charges!! So, not only are they gonna get their bills very amply padded, they're also gonna have lots of people sneering and laughing their asses off.... behind their backs.
SEAJ
S. China City axes plans to ban pole dancing
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/12/content_7766991.htm
DONGGUAN, Guangdong: Karaoke clubs and bar owners in this industrial hub were celebrating Monday after a potential ban on pole dancing was deleted from a new regulation.
Bosses had feared the worst when an initial draft of a new local government rule for entertainment and recreational venues barred the performances.
But the move was scrapped for the final version, which was released at the weekend.
"The initial draft to disallow pole dancing aimed to nip erotic performances in the bud," said an official surnamed Wei at the culture, broadcasting and press bureau. "But we've found no law in China that forbids pole dancing, so we decided to delete the very stipulation."
The new regulation will be in force for five years and the U-turn over the ban will be a massive boon for entertainment companies in the city, which is in Guangdong province, an area already seriously affected by the global financial crisis.
Liang Shao'ai, who runs a karaoke bar in nearby Chang'an town, was ecstatic.
He told China Daily Monday: "Pole dancing is very popular among the youth here. If the performances were not allowed our business would definitely be hit.
"Pole dancing is not an erotic performance. It is a healthy performance as long as the organizer does not make it erotic.
"At least we don't need to reshape our facility or think up new acts to attract customers. You know, the business this year is much poorer than before."
Wei said the regulation has other aspects that will prevent any erotic performances at the city's venues, including a detailed stipulation to make "all balconies transparent" to people on the street outside.
The local government will also launch a crackdown on some 200 unlicensed facilities this year, targeting illegal performances, venues with safety issues and infringements on intellectual property rights by karaoke bars.
Bad Boy Billy
05-13-09, 06:02
Help if you can guys.
Quickest / easiest way from Miraton to Macau Airport to connect to a 3pm flight?
I have contacted AG's driver but the response is that he cannot cross the border to get me to Macau Airport - suggestins please.
Help if you can guys.
Quickest / easiest way from Miraton to Macau Airport to connect to a 3pm flight?
I have contacted AG's driver but the response is that he cannot cross the border to get me to Macau Airport - suggestins please.
Well, you will first need to go to ZhuHai. That will be easy enough to arrange. The Miraton and HuiHua Hotel next door probably has bus and taxi info. I think about 3 hours one way.
Then you walk through customs to Macau for which you probably need allow 1 hour+. Then it's about a 20+ min taxi ride to airport I think.
So, if you leave early you can easily make the 3pm flight.
There are no trains to Zhuhai and Macau.
You can catch the morning bus (around 9AM) from the Hui Mei hotel that goes direct to the basement of the Gongbei shopping center at Zhuhai border. Bus takes 2.5 hours and cost 68RMB. You can buy you ticket in advance from the biz/ticket center in Hui Mei lobby. Allow yourself an hour to cross the border (more if it is a holiday or weekend.) Taxi is about 15 minutes. If you have enough time, there is some good shopping in the mall there.
Help if you can guys.
Quickest / easiest way from Miraton to Macau Airport to connect to a 3pm flight?
I have contacted AG's driver but the response is that he cannot cross the border to get me to Macau Airport - suggestins please.
Guys. I've never endorsed any businesses but I will for the Lotus Bar area as I do NOT want this place to close down for lack of business (it certainly is in such danger. As cheap as things there are and as few people as there are who knows this place). Plus I DID promise the owner of the complex that I would publicize his place here. Hope I'm not breaking any ISG rules etc. As I do earnestly believe that this is a good place for ISG'ers to go to when they're in Chang Ping. NOTE: I do NOT have any interest. Financial or otherwise. AT ALL. In this place. Just helping out a good guy!
OK. The place is "The Lotus Bar Area" and is modelled after the famous umbrella bars in Zhuhai. There are a about a dozen or so of these 12x12 feet open air bar surrounded by bar benches and manned by individual gals whose main duty is to sell beer, drink such, play games and chit chat with you. And the beers are as cheap as RMB 8 to 15 each!
Thanks for reading this and say Hi to Winky for me if you do go there!
SE Asia JoeHey SEAJ,
Just came across this post as heading to CP (22-27 May) after several months absence. Still open I hope? Vaguely remember Swan Lake, will have to look up directions.
Planning on Miraton for at least the first night or two. Is Lotus within walking distance?
Thanks in advance,
Mika
Bad Boy Billy
05-13-09, 22:37
You can catch the morning bus (around 9AM) from the Hui Mei hotel that goes direct to the basement of the Gongbei shopping center at Zhuhai border. Bus takes 2.5 hours and cost 68RMB. You can buy you ticket in advance from the biz/ticket center in Hui Mei lobby. Allow yourself an hour to cross the border (more if it is a holiday or weekend.) Taxi is about 15 minutes. If you have enough time, there is some good shopping in the mall there.Is that really you?
Long time no see my friend - I did take that advice you gave me on the plane from Clark to Sing that time - and yes the CP girls are exactly as you described - lean white hard young bodies.
Don't go much on the hairy pussies though - and no 'licky licky' between the girls positions CP way behind AC IMHO - but still by far best (cheapest) I have found in China.
Thanks to both yourself and Santa for your advice - long story this one - all revolving around a potential 'freebie' in GZ - but my god is she stunning.
Plan was 1 night GZ - 2 night CP - then 4 night AC - but the China leg might be just too hard.
Hopefully we can catch up again soon MX - still getting those cheap flights?
Fast Eddie 48
05-14-09, 12:26
Help if you can guys.
Quickest / easiest way from Miraton to Macau Airport to connect to a 3pm flight?
I have contacted AG's driver but the response is that he cannot cross the border to get me to Macau Airport. Suggestins please.To bad boy billy
The CTS bus to Zhu Hau and Macau from Hui Mei Hotel on 8:45 am every day go to Gonbei first and Macau some hotel forgot the name arrive by noon cost is 75 rmb.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
05-15-09, 11:48
Hey SEAJ,
Just came across this post as heading to CP (22-27 May) after several months absence. Still open I hope? Vaguely remember Swan Lake, will have to look up directions.
Planning on Miraton for at least the first night or two. Is Lotus within walking distance?
Thanks in advance,
Mika
Yes still open - and it is within walking distance - if you walk about half an hour!!
Oooops sorry - cain't help myself!! After all, just about everything in CP is quite close by - but me thinks you'd probably want to taxi it over.
SEAJ
Hello SE Asia Joe.
Thank you for your reply. Your prices are right on.
The cab driver brought me to an area that is strictly local. You take the road in front of Hua Hwa and head towards the train station, go over the bridge, and then travel a distance (10 minutes? ). You wind up in this residential area with small houses on each side of a single lane road (like an alley). There were barely any cars and because it is a residential area, the whole place shuts down at about 10 pm. The prices are the same as the night market, though I was told that 50 was available. One provider was so new that she was afraid to leave the area to go to Hua Hwa (aka the big city).
Thank you again SE Asia Joe for taking the time and effort to reply.
SE Asia Joe
05-17-09, 17:24
Now you've really got me confused as now you're describing travel to another part of CP - anyway, no big deal and you should be able to give us better directions when you next get here.
BTW - things are pretty active in CP these days with plenty of new gals, and the BBS's KTV's, Saunas etc well stocked. Been here past 4 days and I've been happy/no complaints - especially since the Canton Trade Fair is over and all the BSD's are gone!! Thank Goodness!!
Now all we can complain about are the bus loads of Singaporeans, Malaysians and Indonesians coming over!!
Oh well, cain't win 'em all!!
SEAJ
ps. Was at the Lotus Bar area last night (Saturday) and it was practically hopping!! Welllllll.... not really, but it WAS busy even at 2 in the morning!
Hello SE Asia Joe.
Thank you for your reply. Your prices are right on.
The cab driver brought me to an area that is strictly local. You take the road in front of Hua Hwa and head towards the train station, go over the bridge, and then travel a distance (10 minutes? ). You wind up in this residential area with small houses on each side of a single lane road (like an alley). There were barely any cars and because it is a residential area, the whole place shuts down at about 10 pm. The prices are the same as the night market, though I was told that 50 was available. One provider was so new that she was afraid to leave the area to go to Hua Hwa (aka the big city).
Thank you again SE Asia Joe for taking the time and effort to reply.
SE Asia Joe
05-17-09, 18:21
The good ole SWL hotel's 9th floor is open - and it really looks nice with all that darker wood, fancy new furniture, the LCD TV AND best of all the still RMB198 price even for week-ends!! ( you do need to have stayed there prior to get this rate, but believe that one can get it down to say 218 or 228 when first staying there.)
SEAJ
Hello SEAJ.
I didn't get a chance to go to the new area this time. Plan to do so next time, mainly because of my own curiosity about the place - I don't think they get many non-locals.
The Lotus Bar area is a good place to hang out for inexpensive food and drink. Went there a couple of times, busy one day, not much the next.
I am quite curious about the catacombs. Much is written about it in this forum. I think this is something I want to see, but I can't seem to find it. I recall in one report that it is behind the Walter Hotel. Checked out some of the alleys behind it, but didn't notice anything.
Dan Hawaii
05-20-09, 11:35
I am quite curious about the catacombs. Much is written about it in this forum. I think this is something I want to see, but I can't seem to find it. I recall in one report that it is behind the Walter Hotel. Checked out some of the alleys behind it, but didn't notice anything.
It's in the ghetto area was behind the walter hotel, just up-right of the swimming pool. If the walter hotel is behind you.
OldAsiaHand
05-20-09, 15:57
It's in the ghetto area was behind the walter hotel, just up-right of the swimming pool. If the walter hotel is behind you.
There is a street between the Walter Hotel and the Rainbow Department Store. Walk straight until you come to a park and turn right. The swimming pool is on your right, the catacombs are on your left. The main entrance to the area is about 20 meters past the swimming pool on your left.
OAH
Hello Guys.
Thanks for the responses - I'm sure I can find it now. I'm no longer in CP, but will be sure to make a trip to check out the catacombs the next time I am in CP. From the comments posted on this forum, this is a place I have to see!!! I'll am aware of the warnings, but I presume it is fine to just walk around and explore during the daytime.
Fast Eddie 48
05-21-09, 12:48
The good ole SWL hotel's 9th floor is open - and it really looks nice with all that darker wood, fancy new furniture, the LCD TV AND best of all the still RMB198 price even for week-ends!! ( you do need to have stayed there prior to get this rate, but believe that one can get it down to say 218 or 228 when first staying there.)
SEAJTo SEAJ,
Can I use your name to get this rate or I just stay in Zhu hai and paid 188 rmb for my hotel room and go see #56 again.
Fast eddie 48
Jaimito Cartero
05-22-09, 22:38
I'll be coming to stay in Dongguan in a few weeks. I did a short day trip last month, while in Guangzhou, but didn't have enough info since the ISG site was blocked. I visited a couple of KTVs, but didn't partake of any fun.
It sounds like this hotel is is one of the preferred mongering hotels. I've tried looking it up on the internet for online booking, but didn't find anything. I could find the Lucky hotel, but it didn't seem as nice a place to stay, according to recent reports.
Sukhumvitter
05-23-09, 01:49
Hello Guys.
Thanks for the responses - I'm sure I can find it now. I'm no longer in CP, but will be sure to make a trip to check out the catacombs the next time I am in CP. From the comments posted on this forum, this is a place I have to see!!! I'll am aware of the warnings, but I presume it is fine to just walk around and explore during the daytime.
You might want to go with a wingman your first time. You'll see what I mean when the young toughs come out of the woodwork as soon as you start chatting up a girl. They will want to take over negotiations for you with the girl (so they can take their cut).
Some of them are hard core and not easy to brush off. Also, like roaches, there is never just one around. You'll often see them playing pool on the outdoor tables at the entrance to the maze of streets.
Be safe.
The locals love to do bandits since they know surely they will win, unless you have a loaded gun with you and act fast.
As described by Dagevin, and as happened to me already 3 times, we should never follow a woman into a dark deep alley area. WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO HELL from the moment we walk with her. Most of the times we are just so happy mongering and forget the rule safety first.
BBS is a shop with redlight and a bunch of young girls sitting there, and better many bbses are together. For some, you better see the girls you like first before you walk in the BBS the areas I got attacked were
1. Railway Station (2 times, 1 locked up and 1 pocket-picked. I was not hit but the lost money was near disaster, I had only 50rmb left to go from changzhou to pudong airport. You figure out! )
Both times I followed a mamasan to walk a long way. Here is the rule, if you have to walk more than 20m, forget it. Just forget it before you lose many things rather than just a fake fuck.
2. KTV and I was going alone. A young taxi driver took me on street and brought me there. Here I got nearly same as Dagevin. 5 KTV workers held me when I tried to get out, and a guy slapped me straight into my face. After that many gangsters came, they threated a lot, searched, but ignored my card, and just took 200rmb I have in my body. This happened in Jinan. At a point, the guy took a bottle of beer and about to hit me but he did not, since perhaps they hear I am USA guy (but banana)
Dear Bros, I debated with myself for a long time on whether to write the following post. On the one hand, this is important information for CP mongers. On the other hand, I made some very stupid mistakes, and am deeply shameful of it. Nonetheless, in the interest of public knowledge, I give the following horrifying account. Feel free to deride me for my mistakes.
Two days ago, I finished lunch at the Yunnan rice noodle place on Zhongyuan St. (the main street) and contemplating a trip to Huimei for a sauna. A tall woman with long legs approached me and gave me the usual "do you want to see some girls. " I really hesitated because it was going to be my sauna day, but curiosity got the best of me. She was pretty good looking for a mommy, so I followed her. We did NOT head behind the Huimei to the usual BBS. Instead, we headed the other direction into the street next to the two-story Taiwanese restaurant into a residential neighborhood. That didn't alarm me as I have followed plenty of mommies into residential neighborhood for a viewing. We arrived at a residential apartment; she opened the door and started heading upward to the fourth floor. Again, this did not alarm me because I have done that plenty of time. What should have alarmed me is the complete absence of other people in any of the other floors. We arrived at an apartment; she opened the door. THERE WERE NO GIRLS, but she said that "go on in, the girls are in the next room. " I have replayed this scene in my head a thousand times since then and wished so much that some small alarmed had sounded in my head at that time, but it did not.
I stepped across the threshold and the horror began. She slammed the door shut, locked it, and three guys emerged from the next room holding a hammer, a iron pipe and a the iron thing you put on your fist. I panicked, and my first thought was that they will kill me, so I STRUGGLED and SCREAMED. That was a big mistake; they began to beat on me with all of their weapons, focusing on my head. Another guy emerged from the other room and joined in. Eventually, someone put their knee on my neck, and I was losing consciousness, so I stopped resisting as they put tape around my ankles. Fortunately, I spoke Chinese, and I soon apologized to them and promised that I won't resist further. The beating stopped. Blood was flowing freely from my head, soaking one side of my jacket. Facing me were four hard-looking peasant type, one of them perhaps looking a bit sophisticated. They were still mad that I had resisted. I pled with them that I panicked because this had never happened to me. I was sobbing uncontrollably, so they relaxed somewhat and began to lay down the law for me. "If you cooperate, we will not harm you, but if you don't, we will kill you. "
They searched through my stuff and immediately grabbed my wallet and my phone. My phone was old, so they just took the sim card out and laid it aside. They took the 2000 or so I carried, but also dug everything else out. I didn't carry any bank card but had my hotel key, so they asked "what do you have in your hotel? " By then a bit more calm, I said nothing; they can look themselves. I had some more money, but it was not in the safe, but hidden somewhere in the luggage. I was betting that if they didn't find anything in the safe, they may not find my other money, passport and bank cards. They took my key and went to my hotel to search it. The bleeding in my head slowed, and I was not dizzy, suggesting that I didn't get a concussion. I was a bit relieved by that. An hour or so later, the searchers called the people in the locked room saying that they found some money and my cards.
The next round of nightmare then began. With my wallet and money from my room, they had over 8000 RMB, but their main objective is to drain their victims' bank accounts as much as possible. They were NOT interested in the credit cards. They are not Russians and are not interested in selling credit card numbers on the internet. They were however very interested in the debit cards, of which I had two, both for US based bank accounts. They immediately asked me menacingly of the code. I told them honestly and told them to get cash from machines with a VISA sign. On the first trip, they failed to get any money. I was honestly puzzled by why that was the case, but they were not happy about that at all. The head person once again threatened to beat me, and in fact kicked me very hard. However, I sobbed and told them the code again, and also told him that he must go to a VISA linked machine to get cash. In the mean time, I tried very hard to befriend two of the guys there, who seemed a bit nicer. I think I was somewhat successful, and I told them about my own family. Etc. Then, my luck turned further as they got another person to step across the threshold, so they were distracted for another hour trying to get money and PIN from the other person, who was from Hong Kong.
However, around 4pm, the head guys went to the ATM again, and failed to get money again. Needless to say, he was pretty pissed off and threatened to beat me again, but by this time, the other two guys, seeing my uncontrollable sobbing, tried to persuade his elder brother that I was telling the truth. The questioning dragged on for another hour, and I swore that I didn't know why they couldn't get money from the accounts. Seriously, I didn't know why and was deathly afraid that they would kill me in anger. My pleading finally managed to persuade them to give up questioning me. It helped that they got some money from the other person's bank account. Around 7pm, they cut loose the other person and left the room altogether, leaving me and the other victim to free ourselves. We left the chamber of horror and smoked cigarettes furiously. My head was still bleeding a bit, but my fellow victim was kind enough to direct me to a clinique, where I got some treatment. I was very shaken when I returned to the hotel. I wanted to leave right then, but I was too exhausted, so I showered, locked the door and slept, leaving the next day. Some observations:
1. It was a small organization. They claimed they are a part of a large network, but I never saw any communication with anyone higher up. They were very ignorant of how bank cards worked. It turns out that they weren't able to take any money out because they didn't know what a checking account was. Peasants always save money in savings account, and I didn't have any money in the savings account for that one account. For the other card, Citibank does not allow overseas access to savings account from non Citibank ATMs.
2. They are looking for quick bucks. Had I known this, I wouldn't have panicked and resisted. They only want quick money; they don't want the messiness of killing or kidnapping someone, unless they are convinced that you are super rich. But they told me that they let a few Taiwanese bosses go after getting a few tens of thousands from them.
3. There are many victims. During our conversations, one of the guys told me that sometimes they go through five guys a day, and they have been doing this for a few months. Thus, there are hundreds of victims out there. I think they probably would try to avoid Caucasians, but they told me they have victimized Malaysian, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, Japanese, and of course HK mongers. In fact, they also got two other guys, but these two were smart enough to not step across the threshold, but if they had, they would have gotten four people in one day.
4. They left victims with some money. They didn't take my laptop computer and left me 500 RMB. I think they intuitively know that if they took everything, the victims will have no choice but to go to the police. With the 500, I could easily go back to any of the major airports in the area.
Fellow CP mongers, I don't think this mean we shouldn't have fun in CP any more, but I certainly will never again go to a BBS in an unestablished area. I will only go to saunas and BBS behind Huimei and in Yalan. I also will not go into anywhere without seeing a few girls there. Also, for Joe and the other regulars, you should tell BBS owners that this is extremely bad for business, and people will be afraid to play through the BBS and will only go to saunas and KTVs. In general, I feel that law and order are degenerating in southern China, and I will avoid it for the next few months. I am still very shaken by this incident, and flash backs continue to haunt me. I hope no one will experience the horror that I experienced.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
You might want to go with a wingman your first time. You'll see what I mean when the young toughs come out of the woodwork as soon as you start chatting up a girl. They will want to take over negotiations for you with the girl (so they can take their cut).
Some of them are hard core and not easy to brush off. Also, like roaches, there is never just one around. You'll often see them playing pool on the outdoor tables at the entrance to the maze of streets.
Be safe.
Also, you cannot take a girl from the Catacombs back to your hotel, you must do her in the dirty hut while the pimps hang around outside waiting for you to finish. And, I'm sure they will not appreciate lurkers who are "only looking". This is a poor locals venue.
SE Asia Joe
05-23-09, 08:50
A few months ago a group of us played a prank on Asia Joe. We told him that somebody who Joe does not like (I will not say who) was in CP and was anxiously seeking to meet Joe. We convinced Joe that this guy was staying in the same hotel as Joe etc.
It was all intended as good fun and we had lots of laughs at Joe's expense. After a few days we finally revealed to Joe that it was just a prank and that this guy was not really in CP. We all had a good laugh and Joe took it well.
A few weeks later I telephoned Joe about two of his girls and another board member. I think Joe misunderstood the purpose of the call and what had occurred, and an unfortunate misunderstanding then caused some unnecessary anger.
Since I had started the prank, Joe had learned to distrust me and suspected that I was up to no good. Consequently, I was the the cause of these misunderstandings that later followed.
So, I would like to publicly apologise to Joe for causing him embarrassment and causing the misunderstandings.
When we play what we think is a harmless prank on a friend there are sometimes unexpected consequences.
Thank you for the apology but this board is really NOT an appropriate forum for such discussions.
SEAJ
Ps. with appropriate apologies to others who may be rading this.
SE Asia Joe
05-23-09, 09:02
We all talk about how lawless CP is getting to be these days, and I really do wonder how effective the law is here.
Yesterday witnessed a scene that is whilst farcical at first sight, is probably quite serious.
Careening thru the red lights of the intersection in front of the Hui Mei Hotel was a bread van with its side doors open, filled with 5 or 6 guys and a couple Police motorcycles alongside it with the cops beating - or at least trying to beat - the passengers. Hard on the heels of this were at least 10 other motorcycles, each with a driver and a pillon rider holding clubs, riot rods and even just a plain ole 6 feet length of Zinc piping fashioned into a weapon of sort. I mean Jeez - WHAT exactly is he going to do with that LOOOONG stick??!!
The whole street was ablaze with a riot of police siren coming to the spot from all directions. At first, I thought that it was purely Keystone cops - but when the bread van made a sharp turn and disappeared into the alley besides the Lucky hotel (nearly toppling over in the process) and all of a sudden all the Police Siren stopped, I surmised that the cops must have caught the culprits and was beating the holy shit out of them. I tried to go into the alley but it was of course blocked off and thus could only speculate as to what was happening.
The point being that with the repercussions being so severe, I really wonder why the bad guys will still persist with their nefarious activities. Is life THAT cheap in China?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-23-09, 09:20
on a happier note - have just spent pretty well a solid week and half in cp and can report that all is well with the mongering scene. bbs's, saunas and ktv's - even during the week-ends are well stocked and with mucho new gals. lots of newly laid off ex-factory workers, retail store sales gals, cosmeticians, hairdressers lining up to work in the various venues we all looooove to go to!!
one of our guys got messed around with a "will not go out" ktv gal (even though she was not wearing a tag that signifies that auntie was a-visitin') - but more than made up for it by getting a much better nite market gal as a replacement.
anyway, this "no go out" gal was commiserating with my gal about "her lot in life" and i found out that the reason is that her boy friend told her that she can "sit" but not go out. noble of this guy huh?! yeah right!! actually this is an all too familiar tactic by these types of "boyfriends." first of all, of course the bf is unemployed and it is only a matter of desperation that he had "agreed" to let his gf to go out and sit at the ktv - all the while happily spending all the ktv sitting fees that she manages to scrape out.
a few more complaints like our buddy made to the momma and the manager of the ktv, alongside the continuing saga of never having enough money will set the next scene for this couple. sooner or later, there will come along a nice enough customer who sits with her who will convince her to just set aside any lingering feelings of guilt or pride - and agree to do it with him. after all, it's at least 500 versus 200 (less the mommie's cut and just a couple or so more hours of being away from the love of her life!!)
and that is when the bf will act all hurt and indignant.... but then declare that he loves her so much that he will - no, he's forced to - set aside his own pride and any feelings of jealousy etc and just lump it when she needs to "go out with a customer."
yeah!!! yeah!! the trap has sprung shut and this bf is well on the way to easy street with the gal continuing to finance the life style that he will easily get accutomed to..... all the while perpetrating the notion to the gal that he is the one who loses his manhood and pride by knowing - but tolerating - her sleeping aorund with other guys. good huh??
you guys wanna share other stories how these pimps manage to get their ho's to work for them?
seaj
Playboy2000
05-23-09, 11:32
I was wondering if anyone has read "Factory Girls: From Village to City in a Changing China". It was published about six months ago. From the description, it should bring some context to the mongering scence in Dongguan. Here is a description from the Amazon web site.
Chang, a former Beijing correspondent for the Wall Street Journal, explores the urban realities and rural roots of a community, until now, as unacknowledged as it is massive—China's 130 million workers whose exodus from villages to factory and city life is the largest migration in history. Chang spent three years following the successes, hardships and heartbreaks of two teenage girls, Min and Chunming, migrants working the assembly lines in Dongguan, one of the new factory cities that have sprung up all over China. The author's incorporation of their diaries, e-mails and text messages into the narrative allows the girls—with their incredible ambition and youth—to emerge powerfully upon the page. Dongguan city is itself a character, with talent markets where migrants talk their way into their next big break, a lively if not always romantic online dating community and a computerized English language school where students shave their heads like monks to show commitment to their studies. A first generation Chinese-American, Chang uses details of her own family's immigration to provide a vivid personal framework for her contemporary observations.
Pointpanic
05-23-09, 15:52
I loved it from a historical and sociological perspective but not from a hot steamy one. Bought it the first day it hit Barnes and Noble and have read through it several times. Its great for understanding the regular immigrant girl and how they got to Dongguan. You can't help but admire their effort, willingness to take risks and their determination to succeed. The section on KTV is tastefully done. Just be forwarned that this book is not about just about the sex trade though there are insites as to how it might happen to some. Its a highlighted book at HKIA newstands. Chang is a former Wall Street Journal writer. A good read.
PP
[QUOTE=Race Track]I was wondering if anyone has read "Factory Girls: From Village to City in a Changing China". It was published about six months ago. From the description, it should bring some context to the mongering scence in Dongguan. Here is a description from the Amazon web site.
Dan Hawaii
05-24-09, 06:56
Hello Senior Members,
Leaving for CP tommorow. Should be in CP area on May 26 China time. Please PM if anyone wants to join forces for BBS run, ktv party, or just shoot the breeze.
I will be traveling with 3 other cool friends, so the more the merrier. Hope to see some familiar faces.
Also, you cannot take a girl from the Catacombs back to your hotel, you must do her in the dirty hut while the pimps hang around outside waiting for you to finish. And, I'm sure they will not appreciate lurkers who are "only looking". This is a poor locals venue.First of all I am not a pimp from the HUimei or Yalan BBSs.
I am not trying to discourage people from visiting the catacombs but just would like you all to be aware what I saw about one year ago when visiting.
I was at the entrance of the catacombs when I saw few pest controllers carrying pesticide tanks behind their backs and spraying equipments. All seems fine and I started to walk in and got a shock of my life.
drains, floors, door-rims all crawling with tens of roaches, rats and worse of all Centipedes coming out from their hideouts.
Those girls were just standing at their doors as if nothing has happened and some stepping to kill them.
I immediately walked out of the village hastily and since have not visited it.
Guess that is why it costs 30 for a FJ compared to 150 or 200 elsewhere nearby.
Hopefully they have done enough to rid of these pests since then for safety of everyone.
So I would advise never to visit the catacombs during and after evening when these pests are most active.
Francois75
05-24-09, 13:56
a small hidden film a few days ago.
Prices was 400y for girl and around 230 for room and the service was wonderfull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDlkTzFECA
OldAsiaHand
05-24-09, 16:53
First of all I am not a pimp from the HUimei or Yalan BBSs
I am not trying to discourage people from visiting the catacombs but just would like you all to be aware what I saw about one year ago when visiting.
I was at the entrance of the catacombs when I saw few pest controllers carrying pesticide tanks behind their backs and spraying equipments. All seems fine and I started to walk in and got a shock of my life.
drains, floors, door-rims all crawling with tens of roaches, rats and worse of all Centipedes coming out from their hideouts.
Those girls were just standing at their doors as if nothing has happened and some stepping to kill them.
I immediately walked out of the village hastily and since have not visited it.
Guess that is why it costs 30 for a FJ compared to 150 or 200 elsewhere nearby.
Hopefully they have done enough to rid of these pests since then for safety of everyone.
So I would advise never to visit the catacombs during and after evening when these pests are most active.
Datio,
First of all, I am not a pimp for the catacombs. Nobody said the rooms were clean. IMHO, dodging the pests is half the fun. It is not my favorite venue for action but I think every monger should try it once just for the experience.
Just my POV.
OAH
How long you going to be there? I'm not going to arrive till the 30th.
Hello Senior Members,
Leaving for CP tommorow. Should be in CP area on May 26 China time. Please PM if anyone wants to join forces for BBS run, ktv party, or just shoot the breeze.
I will be traveling with 3 other cool friends, so the more the merrier. Hope to see some familiar faces.
Back in CP after a year away. I took the train from Guangzhou east station. The exit just says Dongguan, but it is Changping. Fought through a mob of people trying to get me to take taxi w/o meter. I had offers from them ranging from 20-50RMB. Feels pretty much the same. Be firm and get to the metered blue/green taxi.
Went today to the Virgin sauna. Chose a 20yo, 40kg spinner from Hunan, after the first two line ups were really dissappointing.
It is hard not to laugh at the dance at the beginning, because they have no rhythm. The procedure is as follows. Strip dance, BBBJ, followed by a quickie first shot. Then take a shower in which you sit on that chair with the gap under you ass. I prefer the other saunas like Hui Hua, where you can lie down and relax better. Then the std cat bath, AR, fire-ice BBBJ. I liked the mirrors on the side of the room and ceiling. Then moved onto to sex in positions of your choice. Shower again and pay the tip to girl and for the room at exit. The tip was 300 and the room was 298. I felt the service was on par with last years, but I slightly preferred Miraton and Hui Hua last year. But really, I didn't have anything to complain about for 2 hours of feeling like an emperor. Wish I could visit Changping more often.
I am curious to try around Swan Lake, but never found the area. What is the pin yin for this hotel?
SE Asia Joe
05-26-09, 08:41
Yup - the Swan Lake is going to start offering a naked KTV program starting next month - although its only gonna be bare boobies instead of total butt nakedness. The deal is 2-4-6 instead of 1-3-6 - but you gotta make sure the pricing is 100% enunciated FIRST before you pick the gal as I've already got one of the mommies trying to tell me that her gals are special and will be at 2-5-8. Yeah right!
Which brings up the point - would anybody really pay 200 to sit with a bare bossomed SWL gal whilst the Fu Hao gals are at 250 and the CA KTV's - and I think the King Long - offers theirs at 200. And of course the CA gals who will go butt naked at 200. Just wondering!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-26-09, 09:44
Another record low price for us!! Thanks to the dedicated monitoring and double checking of our favorite purveyor of the fine art of economy KTV'ing, Big Swinging Dave, we managed to enjoy a full evening KTV session at RMB 110 per head!! Yup - you read that correctly!! REALLY!!!
Of late we've noticed so many nice cars parked outside the Manhattan every evening including week-day nights that we figured that something must be going on there and decided to check it out. And of course such "checking out" needed a bit of preparatory work in advance if we're gonna manage our usual "fair" deal. And Big Swinging Dave is of course up to the task and got one of his ex-Fado Mommies to reserve the room for us. OK, it WAS a Sunday night and there was NO minimum charge (unlike week-end nights) and as such, this it WAS a great night to carry out our experiment at this venue. We got a small room (but it was plenty big enough for the 6 of us guys).
First, even on a Sunday night, there WAS quite a line up - we saw at least 150-180 but the mommie tells us that on a week-end night its more like 300-400 - and the quality/selection was actually very GOOD!! On the beer, it is BOGO at RMB 480/dozen but since most of us are NOT real serious drinkers, we only ordered half a dozen beer and got the other 6 free. Lots of cokes and other soft drinks were ordered and we had a good time as the KTV selection is GREAT - especially for more contemporary English songs.
The best part of the evening was that at the end of the night, the bill came to...... RMB 449!! That plus the 200 for the DJ and it came ot RMB110 for each guy. OK you guys - beat THAt price!! Hell, how many times have I been with a BSD and the bill comes to 600, 700 or even more than that for EACH person??!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-26-09, 10:19
First of all I am not a pimp from the HUimei or Yalan BBSs.
Datio
First of all, I am not a pimp for the catacombs. OAH
Hmmmmm.... What's this???
Hmmmmm... what is it that they say???
That where there's smoKe there's fire??!!!
You guys sure now - right?? 100% sure?? Right??
HaHAHAHA
seaj
Fast Eddie 48
05-26-09, 13:22
Hello Senior Members,
Leaving for CP tommorow. Should be in CP area on May 26 China time. Please PM if anyone wants to join forces for BBS run, ktv party, or just shoot the breeze.
I will be traveling with 3 other cool friends, so the more the merrier. Hope to see some familiar faces.To Dan,
Oh shits Dan the BSD is coming to town, I guess that mean everything will go up in price, I will stay away and stay in Zhu Hai instead.
Fast Eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
05-27-09, 01:29
Long story short, missed the coneection flight from manila to HKIA, so arrived one day late with my friend from hawaii, but not too late to enjoy a ktv session at the lion. hahaha Stopover was not bad too, went to EDSA complex and picked one from Space (LT cost 1400 peso barfine and 4000 peso for the girl total equals 770 rmb), and my friend picked one from Firehouse (ST cost 1400 peso barfine and 2000 peso for the girl total equals 485 rmb). NExt day got a 2 hour out called strickly only massage . Damage for massage 750 pesos which equals 107 rmb.
HKIA to CP via skylimo = 220 rmb Credit cards accepted.
Arrives HH rate = 338 rmb weekday... thank you AG.
Called friends that were here already, and another one that was in SZ. via email (blackberry so its instant message for him) and hotel phone (for the guys that were here already).
Guys here already said they are at lion ktv. I was estatic!!! got ready to go in 10 minutes from getting hotel room. B lined to lion ktv, got there around 9:30 or so. Still had around 30 girls. chose 2 girls, and my friend from Hawaii chose 2 also. kind of decent selection for late arrivals.
I got one of my friend's girl drunk, puking all over the bathroom, and his other girl did not seem like a happy camper, so he sent them both home. I felt bad, and he liked one of my girls, so being such an awesome friend, I let him take that girl home with him, (she was a cutie, and I was leaning towards taking her home too). But since I got his girl drunk, the one he wanted to take home, I felt, being such a great friend and all :), I gave her to him. She went happily, I thought some kind of drama was going to happen, but she was all smiles. I guess whatever mao says, goes, hahaha.
damage was 400 rmb per person. was pretty cheap cause everyone was pretty drunk and happy. SEAJ please don't flame because I think 400rmb is cheap ;)
Anyways, getting sim card today, and hopefully can connect with more peoples.
Dan Hawaii
05-27-09, 01:37
To Dan,
Oh shits Dan the BSD is coming to town, I guess that mean everything will go up in price, I will stay away and stay in Zhu Hai instead.
Fast Eddie 48
Oh man, I always pay the market price, except for last night's lion ktv girl. Man.... she must have worked at a sauna, cause she really knows about service. hahaha. gave her 550 for st. Yes Joe, a 50 rmb tip (so when you coming back to cp town????). was sad to let her go early, but i was spent.
Also went to Micky Ds last night with 2 guys and 3 girls, I think everyone ordered meals, damage was 120 rmb. Pretty damn cheap for 6 meals and some sides of ice cream and stuff. Pretty much 1/3 the price, compared to state side. Big Mac tasted the same, not bad.
SE Asia Joe
05-27-09, 06:57
gave her 550 for st. Yes Joe, a 50 rmb tip (so when you coming back to cp town????). was sad to let her go early, but i was spent.
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errrr... have I really ever said that one must NEVER be kind to girls who go out of her way to give you a great time? I believe that I've instead espoused the idea of always erring on the side of REASONABLE generosity when dealing with such nice ladies.
On the other hand - YES - I've always been adamant that one must always stick to the motto to ALWAYS be wary of and to treat all Mommies, Managers, Captains of any and all "establishments" i.e. KTV's, BBS's and yes, even saunas etc with the caution requisite when dealing with a rattle snake. AND never to succumb to their guiles and charm to let them get away with anything.
Worse are those who think that they're getting "Special Treatment" or Free food/drinks etc if they act like a BSD. The only reason these snakes will give you anything or provide you with any kind of special treatment is that they know that at the end of the day/evening, these suckers are gonna end up paying. Period! And laugh behind these BSD's backs!!
And what??! Such BSD's are gonna protest the bill at the end of the evening?? And risk spoiling what they stupidly think is their now BSD status?? NO way!! And even if they do - WHAT can they do about the large bill?? NOT MUCH!
And remember - you CAN party like a Rock Star WITHOUT having to be a BSD.
SEAJ
Playboy2000
05-27-09, 13:58
Yup - the Swan Lake is going to start offering a naked KTV program starting next month - although its only gonna be bare boobies instead of total butt nakedness. The deal is 2-4-6 instead of 1-3-6 - but you gotta make sure the pricing is 100% enunciated FIRST before you pick the gal as I've already got one of the mommies trying to tell me that her gals are special and will be at 2-5-8. Yeah right!
Which brings up the point - would anybody really pay 200 to sit with a bare bossomed SWL gal whilst the Fu Hao gals are at 250 and the CA KTV's - and I think the King Long - offers theirs at 200. And of course the CA gals who will go butt naked at 200. Just wondering!!
SEAJ
The CA naked KTVs are all 2-5-8. But from my experience, there is very little butt nakedness there (or at FuHao). Typically, after a few hours of drinking, you can coax the girls into playing strip dice. When they lose their top, they often cover their boobs with their hair and hands. If they also lose their bottoms, they only pull them down for a split second. So it is not like you are hanging out with butt naked girls for the whole evening. Around 10:30, they have a dance where the girls strip naked (and usually the guys too) for one, maybe two, songs. Then back into the yi1fu. It is more of a good tease than anything else. But it does help for checking out the merchandise before making a final commitment.
Will be interesting to hear what the format is at SWL.
SE Asia Joe
05-27-09, 17:12
The CA naked KTVs are all 2-5-8. But from my experience, there is very little butt nakedness there (or at FuHao). Typically, after a few hours of drinking, you can coax the girls into playing strip dice. When they lose their top, they often cover their boobs with their hair and hands. If they also lose their bottoms, they only pull them down for a split second. So it is not like you are hanging out with butt naked girls for the whole evening. Around 10:30, they have a dance where the girls strip naked (and usually the guys too) for one, maybe two, songs. Then back into the yi1fu. It is more of a good tease than anything else. But it does help for checking out the merchandise before making a final commitment.
Will be interesting to hear what the format is at SWL.
At the Star of Star, (and at the Shatou hotel if I recollect correctly) the gals will all take off their panties and bra as soon as they enter the KTV room (they go to the bathroom and come out with their knickers and bra in a plastic bag that they put away in one of the cupboards).
Then the whole night they are sitting with you SANS panty or bra and only their slip of a dress covering whatever modesty there is to cover! And these dresses - ain't nuthin much and one routinely slip one's hand and fingers ALL OVER and even IN their naked bodies and expose just about everything at will.
And yes, come 9 or 10 PM, the Mommie will post a guard outside the door, cover the little glass window panel on the door, turn down the light, turn on the disco music and the gals all strip butt naked to.....; NOTHING!!
You musta just gone to Tung fong Mei Lee/Rich kingdom or the Ji-an or the MGM etc where the action is less wild. Forget about Fuhao and Jing Long in CP - ain't nuthin there at all as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, Wadman is the CA expert and knows all these places like the back of his hand - where the hell has he been these days????
SEAJ
ps. And not ALL the CA KTV's are 2-5-8!!
Playboy2000
05-28-09, 00:45
At the Star of Star, (and at the Shatou hotel if I recollect correctly) the gals will all take off their panties and bra as soon as they enter the KTV room (they go to the bathroom and come out with their knickers and bra in a plastic bag that they put away in one of the cupboards).
Then the whole night they are sitting with you SANS panty or bra and only their slip of a dress covering whatever modesty there is to cover! And these dresses - ain't nuthin much and one routinely slip one's hand and fingers ALL OVER and even IN their naked bodies and expose just about everything at will.
And yes, come 9 or 10 PM, the Mommie will post a guard outside the door, cover the little glass window panel on the door, turn down the light, turn on the disco music and the gals all strip butt naked to.....; NOTHING!!
You musta just gone to Tung fong Mei Lee/Rich kingdom or the Ji-an or the MGM etc where the action is less wild. Forget about Fuhao and Jing Long in CP - ain't nuthin there at all as far as I'm concerned.
By the way, Wadman is the CA expert and knows all these places like the back of his hand - where the hell has he been these days????
SEAJ
ps. And not ALL the CA KTV's are 2-5-8!!
You are right...I was only in JiAn and another (four initials); I haven't been to XindeXin, but very much want to go. Hopefully a group together for some CA adventures this July.
SE Asia Joe
05-28-09, 06:24
You are right...I was only in JiAn and another (four initials); I haven't been to XindeXin, but very much want to go. Hopefully a group together for some CA adventures this July.
DFML - Dong Fang Mei Li - are the initials we use. Nobody else understand this!!
SEAJ
Back from CP and have a bit of reports. Taxi drivers at train station are more annoying than ever. go to road and repeat shi quai until you get someone. some one actually said 50 quai. i must look like a sucker.
Safety doesn't appear that much worse but I was more cautious did not solo the bbs. What is annoying is that the fish tanks between the miraton and hui mei are gone and it is now beggers row - even more than before. i cross street to avoid.
The Virgin sauna very crowded as I went twice and could not get anything but small room and was with chinese friend one time. Small room is no good. it is the rooms in the back building.
Girls were only 5-7 when I went but could be because the good ones were in the larger rooms. 217? for small room + 300 rmb, good service from hunan. But I really disliked the small room. walk if big room not available. Service is spotty at virgin, though I have a number of good one PM me if you want. more fun to choose really.
Went to HH sauna, twice and both times exceptional service. They must train them better there. Always have good service. the rooms are okay, clean but they must train them right. had two former Changan girls who were roommates. one is a 500 and worth it. very beautiful. both from hunan. The girls are always top service and friendly. No sourpusses. HH is 227/300, with 400 girls with see through tops and 500 girls that are tall and usually not pretty except for one.
Jiayi had decent 6-8 selection, but floor of room was filthy and service was just average. pricing 227/300. Room okay had flat screens. About 30 girls, 3 were okay to me.
Miraton now has 400 girls who remove their tops to show the goods, 500 tall ones - not pretty though, and 300 in various uniforms including nurse albeit lame costume not the japanese anime nurse. Two good looking from chongqing, friend took one and said service was only okay. apparently 7pm is best time to go here, call Simon for reservation of room. he speaks some english and can point out good ones.
Night market was surprisingly stocked, two nice choices from there. Both enthusiastic though average fun which I think is usual for night market.
Seems the choices I made were not KTV girls but this is their full time job. since they are awake late, it is good to get a few numbers for emergency delivery. they must leave at 6am for LT to pay mommie, the rules they say. I did have one come promptly at 10am for treatment. so
Went to PP KTV. I still like there and for my small party of 2 girls, myself and two friends that dropped in bill was only about 380 + dj. Not unreasonable for a solo, and since Joe had saved me so much money on the other KTVs (sub 200) I had it to spare.
The FuHao KTV was interesting in that you stand in the middle and the girls line up on either side of the room. there wasn't great talent there that night - but i was assured it was an off night. rooms are decent and it is cheap.
did not go to HH ktv but there are alot of good looking girls going through the lobby and thus I assume the talent level is way up there. was confirmed by other people i spoke to about this in elevator.
PP quality is down, many new girls and some diamonds in the rough.
Jiayi got there very late 11.00 but the scraps were exceptionally bad and the quality has been off for the past 6 months.
200 for topless swan lake girl. Sure Joe I'd do it. better than a 10 min strip dance or underwearless girls. much nicer to have topless girls about... besides I have know at least 4 swan lake girls that had great racks and since sometimes their rack is better than their face......
Ate at the chicken restaurant and I do have to say that 1. white people don't go their often - either that or I had something on my shirt. and 2 the food was very good albeit a little pricey but good.
walked back from there and that probably was a bad idea given it was very dark on the way. but i had two girls with me to protect me ;) Where is the new giant KTV anyway?
good to see everyone in CP... and thanks for your help with the problems (you know who you are)
--fp.
I have been to Thailand a number of times, but this is my first Dongguan visit. Don't speak a word of Chinese, despite listening to tapes for hours. Arrived Thursday, forgot to ask for Ban dao, so had trouble getting to Peninsula. Headed for first KTV experience. Since solo, I was relegated to the lounge on the 2nd floor. Given a lineup of 6-7, who all rated about 7's. Mommie suggesed one, so I took her. A 22 y/o. We stayed in lounge for a couple hours, fondled and kissed some. Took to room. Did dfk, DATY, but would not do BJ. She was quite friendly, even fingered anally. Had good experience, gave the 500 I read about on the forum.
Second night repeated experience, this time given a lineup of 1, rejected girl and given another lineup of 1. Went ahead and took this girl a 20 y/o from Hubei. She was quite pleasant and friendly but not as adventuresome as first girl, Did not allow DATY or BY. Did cowgirl and missionary but that was it.
Today decided to try Yalan BBS. I was a little apprehensive after reading the forum. I thought it might be in sone isolated area, but it was right in the middle of a busy area. Two mamas immediately called, and one led me across the street and upstairs above a restaurant. Picked an 18 yr old who was a solid 7, and took to hotel for 220 total. Service a little rushed, but otherwise OK. Will be here 2 more nights. Although a paid member, I have never figured out the PM system, so I cannot Message anyone.
Sangamotype
05-30-09, 12:33
Well I didn't realize when I moved to DongGuan 4 months ago that this web site would be blocked from my home internet. I had to take 4 days in Bangkok just so I could get to this site again. Thanks for all the DG reports. Nice place to live so far. Wow BKK is fun. Well at the Livingstone bar now but back to DG tomorrow. Plenty of stroies if I have time and can log on.
Thanks
Nobody Special
05-31-09, 01:49
I'm intrigued by the naked KTV idea.
I'm headed to Shenzhen soon. Anything like that out there?
Thanks
Well I didn't realize when I moved to DongGuan 4 months ago that this web site would be blocked from my home internet. I had to take 4 days in Bangkok just so I could get to this site again. Thanks for all the DG reports. Nice place to live so far. Wow BKK is fun. Well at the Livingstone bar now but back to DG tomorrow. Plenty of stroies if I have time and can log on.
Thanks
This site is blocked in China. You would have to use a proxy to get around it. I had a friend who knows about computer help me get around this when I was in China. I am sure someone will tell you how to do it by PM you.
Well, after three successes, I knew things were going too well for a newby who doesn't speak the language. Returned to Peninsula 2nd floor last night. I rejected the first two, and suddenly got attentioin. Three mamas brought about 12 girls. I selected one and mamas pushed me to select another, which I did. Big mistake. When girls found I spoke no Chinese, they got bored after 5 minutes and chatted among themselves and the waiters. I should have got rid of one right away, but didn't. After an hour of being ignored, I paid one to leave. Things didn't improve, so paid the other to leave. Drank beers for awhile, and mamas brought a nice "8" who I hoped would salvage the evening.
After an hour, invited her upstairs, she refused, so I told her to leave without payment. After she discussed with 4 mamas, a Chinese patron came over and said she would go as long as I would pay 500, and she could not stay overnight. Agreed. We took shower together, and got into bed. After a few attempts at getting something going, she decided she didn't want to do anything but go home. Her excuse was her stomach hurt, and she had to get up early tomorrow as she was a student. It was only 23:30 at the time. She wanted 500. I thought of giveing 200, but since we showered and fondled some, I thought she deserved more than two girls who sat at table and ignored me, so I gave 300. This was too much I am sure, as I am rewarding non performance. Total damage for night 930 yuan, 400 for 2 sitting fees, 300 for unperforming girl in room, and 230 for beer. A rather expensive and frustrating night.
Divine Angler
05-31-09, 06:31
Hi Guys,
A bunch of us are heading to dongguan for the weekend, recommendations needed! Please use hanyu pinyin for Chinese names
Which hotel? (don't mind paying slight more for comfort)
Which KTV for the best experience?
Which Sauna is recommended?
Thank you in advance!
Hi Guys,
A bunch of us are heading to dongguan for the weekend, recommendations needed! Please use hanyu pinyin for Chinese names
Which hotel? (don't mind paying slight more for comfort)
Which KTV for the best experience?
Which Sauna is recommended?
Thank you in advance!Another newbie with his handout. RTFF.
Divine Angler. Try spending some time and read. It really won't kill you. The threads on this board have a wealth of info. Buy a subscription and email a senior member some specific question to show us that you have done some homework. Btw, if you do not know what "RTFF" means, go to the menu bar and go to abbreviation and it will tell you the meaning of it.
SE Asia Joe
06-01-09, 04:46
Hi Guys,
A bunch of us are heading to dongguan for the weekend, recommendations needed! Please use hanyu pinyin for Chinese names
Which hotel? (don't mind paying slight more for comfort)
Which KTV for the best experience?
Which Sauna is recommended?
Thank you in advance!
Sorry - not good at hanyu pinyin, but I'll try to give you my best -
pleez leed da fakin for lum.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-01-09, 05:04
I have been to Thailand a number of times, but this is my first Dongguan visit. Don't speak a word of Chinese, despite listening .................... Although a paid member, I have never figured out the PM system, so I cannot Message anyone.
Great reports!! I for one appreciate both of them.
Your reports do go a fair way to illustrate the difficulties for a newbie non-chinese speaker to go on the prowl in China. Something which a lot of guys fail to appreciate. Especially those BSD's who thinks that their $$ will do all the talkin' for them!
Pity that you did not figure out the PM system here as then you could have enlisted the assistance of the many, more experienced guys on this board. Anyway, on your question about the PM system - all you'd need to do is click on a particular poster's name and a list will come up - with one stating "Send a Private message to ...." which you just click on and it will guide you the rest of the way. You can also click on the blue underlined "private messages" phrase at the upper right hand corner of this page to access the PM system.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-01-09, 05:17
This site is blocked in China. You would have to use a proxy to get around it. I had a friend who knows about computer help me get around this when I was in China. I am sure someone will tell you how to do it by PM you.
Especially for the one time or casual visitor to China - just type "Free proxy list" on Google and a few sites will come up giving you a wide choice of Proxy lists that are in use and is going to be free.
Try a few of them and you'll eventually get a proxy that will work.
SEAJ
Well, after three successes, I knew things were going too well for a newby who doesn't speak the language. Returned to Peninsula 2nd floor last night. I rejected the first two, and suddenly got attentioin. Three mamas brought about 12 girls. I selected one and mamas pushed me to select another, which I did. Big mistake. When girls found I spoke no Chinese, they got bored after 5 minutes and chatted among themselves and the waiters. I should have got rid of one right away, but didn't. After an hour of being ignored, I paid one to leave. Things didn't improve, so paid the other to leave. Drank beers for awhile, and mamas brought a nice "8" who I hoped would salvage the evening.
After an hour, invited her upstairs, she refused, so I told her to leave without payment. After she discussed with 4 mamas, a Chinese patron came over and said she would go as long as I would pay 500, and she could not stay overnight. Agreed. We took shower together, and got into bed. After a few attempts at getting something going, she decided she didn't want to do anything but go home. Her excuse was her stomach hurt, and she had to get up early tomorrow as she was a student. It was only 23:30 at the time. She wanted 500.......
What happened to you has happened to others and me many times.
1st. The biggest problem is the language barrier.
2nd. If the girls think they can get away with doing nothing and get their money at the end, they will. After picking a girl at a KTV, you can kick them out and pay nothing AFTER 15 to 20 mins. In other words, pay nothing for the sitting fee.
3rd. They see you as a newbie ( even for a Chinese guy ) and don’t know the routine. Most Chinese guys would threaten the girls or at least yell them if the same happened to them. They also would call their mommy and complain they got cheated. A Taiwan businessman will go berserk if he got cheated by a little girl.
Going to a KTV alone is no fun and especially if you don’t speak the language. Going to CP the first time alone not knowing the language is a big accomplishment. You did some homework studying. I remember the first time I went alone to a few places in China, it was FRUSTRATING. I also felt ripped off by some of the cabbies. Dragging my luggage around was no fun too.
Since you are a paying member, most likely you have PM turned off in your profile. You have to go into "Control Panel" then "Edit Forum Options". Then check "Enable Private Messaging".
Nice first and second report. Is this your first time in China ?
Edit: He might not be a paying member is the reason he can't PM.
OldAsiaHand
06-01-09, 06:26
After an hour, invited her upstairs, she refused, so I told her to leave without payment. After she discussed with 4 mamas, a Chinese patron came over and said she would go as long as I would pay 500, and she could not stay overnight. Agreed. We took shower together, and got into bed. After a few attempts at getting something going, she decided she didn't want to do anything but go home. Her excuse was her stomach hurt, and she had to get up early tomorrow as she was a student. It was only 23:30 at the time. She wanted 500. I thought of giveing 200, but since we showered and fondled some, I thought she deserved more than two girls who sat at table and ignored me, so I gave 300. This was too much I am sure, as I am rewarding non performance. Total damage for night 930 yuan, 400 for 2 sitting fees, 300 for unperforming girl in room, and 230 for beer. A rather expensive and frustrating night.
Less so in CP than big cities, if you intend to take the girl out of a KTV, you should determine this possibility before she sits down or within the first 10-15 minutes as SEAJ says you have to send her back. You do not necessarily have to take her, but at least you know you have the option upfront. Some places even use different colored number tags for girls that will not go out for whatever reason.
Since this girl knew you were a newbie and did not have the language skills to complain to management, she pulled one over on you. Another mistake was to force the girl to go when she refused at first. This is a guarantee of poor service to come. I reckon you had 2 options. You could have paid the 200 sitting fee and chalked it up to bad luck. Or, you might have been able to convince the mamasan to change the girl for you without paying another sitting fee since you already had paid 2 other girls. I would have probably gone with the first option and headed to a sauna or the night market at that point.
Just my POV.
OAH
I went to stay in Houjie, just for the reason of scouting. I stayed at Kande Club Hotel. It was an o. K. Room. I wanted to go out to drink so I asked the bellboy to recommend a KTV within walking distance. It was called "Grand Club". I went in and sat at the bar. The mamasan introduced 1 girl to me and she was acceptable. I was surprised to learn the pricing system was 2-8-10! That seems ridiculously high to take a girl out. The girl was nice and sweet but not playful or dirty. A stage show began at 10PM. I was sure it would be over in 30 min, so I put up with the boredom and noise. They put a lot of effort in the show, but come on, do I really want to see someone spin 10 plates on top of sticks? Or listen to a comedian bash Taiwanese presidents for 10 minutes? At 11PM I asked my girl how much longer the show was. She said another hour. At that point I decided to cut my loss, and paid the girl 200. She asked for another 20 for taxi, so I gave it. I was proud for not buying the mamasan 48RMB drinks that she kept pushing for. I am slowly learning to say no. BTW the drinks were not made strong or with the actual alcohol. I asked for Kahlua, but got something that tasted funny and gave me an instant headache.
I went back to my Hotel and checked out the Kande sauna. It was a standard service with nothing too special. On the plus side, the room was really nice. In the future, I don't see a special reason to return, as it is relatively expensive and a bit far to get here. I took a 200RMB taxi to Shenzhen airport in the morning for my flight to Shanghai.
The city reminded me more of Shenzhen or GZ than CP.
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Playboy2000
06-01-09, 14:53
Well, after three successes, I knew things were going too well for a newby who doesn't speak the language. Returned to Peninsula 2nd floor last night. I rejected the first two, and suddenly got attentioin. Three mamas brought about 12 girls. I selected one and mamas pushed me to select another, which I did. Big mistake. When girls found I spoke no Chinese, they got bored after 5 minutes and chatted among themselves and the waiters. I should have got rid of one right away, but didn't. After an hour of being ignored, I paid one to leave. Things didn't improve, so paid the other to leave. Drank beers for awhile, and mamas brought a nice "8" who I hoped would salvage the evening.
After an hour, invited her upstairs, she refused, so I told her to leave without payment. After she discussed with 4 mamas, a Chinese patron came over and said she would go as long as I would pay 500, and she could not stay overnight. Agreed. We took shower together, and got into bed. After a few attempts at getting something going, she decided she didn't want to do anything but go home. Her excuse was her stomach hurt, and she had to get up early tomorrow as she was a student. It was only 23:30 at the time. She wanted 500. I thought of giveing 200, but since we showered and fondled some, I thought she deserved more than two girls who sat at table and ignored me, so I gave 300. This was too much I am sure, as I am rewarding non performance. Total damage for night 930 yuan, 400 for 2 sitting fees, 300 for unperforming girl in room, and 230 for beer. A rather expensive and frustrating night.
Thanks for the candid reports. We've all had bad experiences in CP, as KTV and BBS girls can really be hit and miss. I've been with 4 CP BBS girls over the years, and I'd rank the experiencies as 2,2,5,9. With KTV, it has ranged from 3 to 9, with mostly 5 experience with no DFK. I always mix in a few sauna experiences in CP, as they are always great PSE experiences. Also, if I'm at a KTV and I feel there is no chemistry with my girl, I often just pay the 200 and go to the hotel sauna to round out the evening.
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Jettsetter
06-01-09, 17:11
In my experience, I really don't recommend, unless you at least speak the language, and even at that, I don't think you'd have a good time, to go without some company from experienced folks who live or know the China scene.
Honestly, even some of my clients who live in China, but haven't been to DG need a little guidance in the way things operate.
At the end of the day, it's a business for them, where ethics and honesty aren't exactly at the top of their list.
As such, you have to play the shrewd customer and you will get the proper type of treatment. It's not to say you need to be mean about things or an A-hole, but rather, you let them know that you're not one to be taken for and not knowing anything, it's tough to act the part.
Next time, find one of the regulars who are in town or put your number up here and you'll be sure to get some response... I've found that guys on this board are all too often willing to go have a drink and show the ropes.
I guess if all else fails, I think that going to a Sauna (Ban Dao has one too), is probably your best bet... it's quick, but at least you know what you're getting generally, as service is usually pretty standard.
With a KTV girl, at the end of the day, it's all about how your "date" goes... I've hard far different experiences from lots of folks around, and it really depends on how you get along... some will be the best you've ever had, and some will be the absolute worst. I'm sure everyone experienced can say that it really is hit or miss. But if you can't communicate, it's usually "miss."
Good luck.
-Jett
Thanks for the candid reports. We've all had bad experiences in CP, as KTV and BBS girls can really be hit and miss. I've been with 4 CP BBS girls over the years, and I'd rank the experiencies as 2,2,5,9. With KTV, it has ranged from 3 to 9, with mostly 5 experience with no DFK. I always mix in a few sauna experiences in CP, as they are always great PSE experiences. Also, if I'm at a KTV and I feel there is no chemistry with my girl, I often just pay the 200 and go to the hotel sauna to round out the evening.
Another mistake was to force the girl to go when she refused at first. This is a guarantee of poor service to come.
OAH
Wise sage. fun is for two.
In my experience, I really don't recommend, unless you at least speak the language, and even at that, I don't think you'd have a good time, to go without some company from experienced folks who live or know the China scene.
With a KTV girl, at the end of the day, it's all about how your "date" goes... I've hard far different experiences from lots of folks around, and it really depends on how you get along... some will be the best you've ever had, and some will be the absolute worst. I'm sure everyone experienced can say that it really is hit or miss. But if you can't communicate, it's usually "miss."
-Jett
Jett - on one hand though you can often find girls at JiaYi or a few of the other larger places that speak some English and are often eager to practise. they aren't always the best looking but usually cute and more receptive to foreigners.
speakign the language is much more fun though. and certainly this is a party and good time and if you don't click with the chick, then just like a date it wont be fun from there on out.
we have all picked our share of duds even after much practise. it happens and no one bats 100 not even SEAJ.
Dan Hawaii
06-02-09, 04:51
Days in CP.
2nd day in CP. We went to the Virgin sauna and it was awesome all around. All of us left satisfied and with big wide smiles on our faces. Damn, these girls know how to please well. I think it was my all time best sauna experience ever!!! Not for just me, but for all my friends too. Later that night we went to JY, the line up is huge as usual, however, everybody says the girl quality is just average and I must concur. No real stunners, mostly 5-7 in looks. We did not book a room on a HK holiday, so there were no rooms, so we just partied at the bar/show area. Prices are the same as the rooms, but no need pay for a DJ. We arrived at 6:30; I think 6pm would have been better. Not sure when they open their doors, but they open earlier than usual.
3rd day in CP
Went to BBS, everyone pulled a girl for overnight, because we were heading to the LA bar, across from the Miraton. Had some drama with my girls and one of the other girl. My girl was at fault; she’s just a bad drunk. Always fighting with someone, except me. Haha, She was good to me and took care. So I had to leave early cause shit was hitting the fan. Anyways, banged her good. Right in the middle of doing the deed, she gave me a time out, cause she had to puke. So I followed her to the bathroom and started banging her while she was trying to puke (she did not puke, I guess my dick made her forget she was sick, hahahaha). And all awhile her head was banging against the toilet seat. Priceless. That’s what she gets for all that drama.
4th day in CP, woke up late, finally got over the jet lag and getting used to the time zone difference, hate waking up at 7 in the morning and hanging at the ktv. Went to the Hui Mei BBS, we all found a girl, was surprised she gave me good service, cause the Hui Mei BBS’s, usually gives me bad service. Well, I forgot what she looked like, but I think she was hot. Fuck, so many girls, kind of a blur after awhile of 2-3 pops per day. Went to Hui Hua ktv later that night. On arrival, I found a hot tall girl while walking to the ktv room. Sat another girl, fuck, forgot what she looked like, but let her go and took the tall hot chick home. She was so my type that I took her another the next night also. Yeah, I brought sand to the beach (girl to a ktv) the next night.
5th day Manhattan KTV. I didn’t care, she was hot. She kept trying to play hard to get, but she enjoyed every minute, the bed stains don’t lie. Hahaha. What an actress. I had to let her go cause I wanted new flavor. The Manhattan is new and near Swan Lake area. In between swan lake and Jia Yi. Nice and new, so very clean and reasonably priced.
There is a flower street, but not as big as Jia Yi and Goodview, actually only ¼ as many girls as JY.
Overall:
Awesome trip!!! Hopefully I can start coming back 4 times a year to CP. Minus well enjoy while we still can. Got to get one of my businesses going and then I won’t be so tied up and can make the CP trip more often. Oh well, till next time. On the way to PI now for a week, but I feel CP is better, not sure why I always go to PI. Oh yeah, because they speak English there.
PS: I found an English speaking footie girl that is pretty cute at the Hui Hua Footie. Her tag number is 156. Try her out she is quite pretty.
It seems like, more than before, people working in CP, ie the hotel personnel, staff, managers, and even some ktv staff can speak good to fair English.
Dan Hawaii
06-02-09, 04:51
Heading back to HKIA to fly out to PI. Was an awesome trip as usual. One I will never forget. Met some new friends. Seems like I never meet uncool people in CP, is it because we are so happy with so many girls to choose from? Saw many familiar faces, like OAH, Wadman, SEAJ, AsianBleu, and a bunch of non-ISG friends. As well as some new friends from Mr. L from France and Mr. C from Guangzhou (spelling?) GZ.
OAH, thanks for showing us around the “chicken farm” and introducing us to your friends Mr. C from GZ. He’s a cool guy; we spent the last night at Manhattan KTV with him and his GF and DJ Lilly. My friend Marc had too much fun, and puked a bit, hahaha. As for the line up, be wary of the girls in the back by the elevators, they cannot go out for one reason or another. Ask Wadman, he was a bit upset that one of my girls could not go out. But she was hot, tall and fun, so I let her stay.
Thanks Wadman for taking care of us and standing by your principles, but they gave us the option to kick the girl out for free, so it was alright. Thanks for taking us to the dirty footie, was a new and fun experience, all six of us enjoyed it. Thanks to OAH for mentioning it to me. Thanks Wadman for taking us to the BBQ open area. My friend and me really liked that bar girl, she was smoking hot, one of the hottest china girls I have seen.
Thanks to Mr. C for showing us around the last couple of days while Marc and me was the only ones left. Was awesome that you gave my friend some herbal medicine so he could sleep better. The last day and night was really fun, because of your company. I was worried the last night would only be Marc and I, and a bit boring. But you really made the party happen. Thanks for staying that extra day for us, or was it for your GF? Hahaha.
I’m sure Marc and I will be back later this year, maybe we will bring a couple of other guys too.
Dan Hawaii
06-02-09, 05:09
I don't know why I was so lucky this trip and my last trip last summer, because i do not speak the language and I had great times with the ktv girls. But I usually sit 2 girls and take the best one, I'm kind of ignorant and weigh my judgement mostly on looks, hahaha. Well, I guess I click with them cause I like to play the bullshit dice games and I was very fortunate to go with chinese speaking friends. I never really had a bad ktv performer, well, I might be too easy to please. ;)
I think it really has to do with the girls having fun or not at the ktv. If they have fun, then they are happy to go and give you good service. In order for that to happen, really believe it's the friends you go with.
The last girl at the Manhattan ktv did not want me to pick another girl, she is the jealous type, LOL.
I might as well report on my 4th and last night in CP. Thanks all for the comments and advice. I had heard much about the flower street and 600 girls at the Jai Yi, so decided to head there. I understood without a room I wouldn't get the full experience. The staff quickly shuffled me to the lounge, and I could only see the beginning of the flower street, and in the lounge could see nothing. I was there 20 minutes with just me and 10 wait staff, when finially a mama brought me a 3 or 4, who must have been the most unattractive girl there. I kept her 20-30 minutes with little communication, when things looked up. Another mama brought me a solid 7. She spoke a little english, was very interactive, and was a lot of fun. I paid of the other girl, and after a couple hours took the 7 back to the Peninsula. She must have had some sauna experience, as she did every massage in the book, with body gel, using her big rack to full effect, using water in her mouth, different positions. She even gave me a complete manicure. We couldn't do much the second day, as she had her period (blood all over bed to prove it). She stayed until 10: 30. She asked for 1, 000, and I ended up giving it. She stayed with me 14-15 hours and I had a GFE, so it was a nice ending to my four nights in CP.
This was followed with a night in the Seibu area of Shenzhen, which was a bust, I think because of LE presence.
SE Asia Joe
06-03-09, 09:37
I might as well report on my 4th and last night in CP. Thanks all for the comments and advice. I had heard much about the flower street and 600 girls at the Jai Yi, so decided to head there. I understood without a room I wouldn't get the full experience. The staff quickly shuffled me to the lounge, and I could only see the beginning of the flower street, and in the lounge could see nothing. I was there 20 minutes with just me and 10 wait staff, when finially a mama brought me a 3 or 4, who must have been the most unattractive girl there. I kept her 20-30 minutes with little communication, when things looked up. Another mama brought me a solid 7. She spoke a little english, was very interactive, and was a lot of fun. I paid of the other girl, and after a couple hours took the 7 back to the Peninsula. She must have had some sauna experience, as she did every massage in the book, with body gel, using her big rack to full effect, using water in her mouth, different positions. She even gave me a complete manicure. We couldn't do much the second day, as she had her period (blood all over bed to prove it). She stayed until 10: 30. She asked for 1, 000, and I ended up giving it. She stayed with me 14-15 hours and I had a GFE, so it was a nice ending to my four nights in CP.
This was followed with a night in the Seibu area of Shenzhen, which was a bust, I think because of LE presence.
Again a great report. Thanks!
And just to guide any other newbies who may be contemplating the same route you took - at the Jia Yi, the highlight IS the flower street. You should have just gone right in and walked up and down the length of the hall where this Flower street is being conducted every night.
Here you will see ALL the gals in their finest and you will be very occassionally pulled by various gals and/or their mommies "advertising their charms" This is the reason why guys go to the Jia Yi - just to soak in the atmosphere and to feel that one is really "desired" by all these fabulous looking gals!
Oh of course they're all only looking at how good the size of your wallet is - but then again - that ain't all bad - as all the other guys most likely also have the wherewithals to monetarily partake of them; and thus it MUST be your charm and good looks that sets you apart from the other punters!!
As far as the pricing is concerned - actually it's strictly 2-5-8 at the Jia Yi - but hey - you did enjoy yourself and thus I guess a 200 tip is not out of line.... I guess!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-03-09, 09:46
I don't know why I was so lucky this trip and my last trip last summer, because i do not speak the language and I had great times with the ktv girls. .
Because you ARE relatively younger and good looking??? Seriously .... and of course you ARE a HuaJiao (Overseas Chinese) with a nice U.S. passport who liberally sprinkles Red Maos all over the place!!
Just about all China gals love your types!! After all, if it's short term she knows she's gonna get well taken care of and of course there's a hint of possible longer term relation! She could do worse than you.... Lots worse!!
SEAJ
Bigboobman007
06-03-09, 10:42
ps. And not ALL the CA KTV's are 2-5-8!!The last time i check, star of star anf DFML are 2-6-8. I remember vividly b'cause it's different from the more common 2-5-8 in CP and I always do 2(sitting only) or 8(overnighter). i figure its just another 200 for the company at night and bonk in the morning whereas in CP i normally go for 5(shorttime), sleep well and call(got the number beforehand) for a bbs gal in the morning.
Speaking of CA, I spoke to SEAjoe, Jetsetter and BigswinninDave a while back about having a party in CA on my next trip. Wondering if there is still any interest?? I'm coming again around 12th June. I'm quite familiar with CA and so can show us around.
Dan Hawaii
06-03-09, 11:25
Because you ARE relatively younger and good looking??? Seriously .... and of course you ARE a HuaJiao (Overseas Chinese) with a nice U.S. passport who liberally sprinkles Red Maos all over the place!!
Just about all China gals love your types!! After all, if it's short term she knows she's gonna get well taken care of and of course there's a hint of possible longer term relation! She could do worse than you.... Lots worse!!
SEAJ
Thanks buddy, but seriously, I think, if the girl has a great fun time at the ktv, she will be happy to go home with you. I don't think looks and Maos has anything to do with it. If you do not give her the maos, you better run for your life, cause the catacombs thugs might come a knocking. ;) So she knows she's going to get paid anyway.
As far as the pricing is concerned - actually it's strictly 2-5-8 at the Jia Yi - but hey - you did enjoy yourself and thus I guess a 200 tip is not out of line.... I guess!!
What IS out of line is her asking for 1000 RMB...WTH, directly asking for a 200 rmb tip?
That, and getting no nookie due to her auntie flo visiting unexpectedly in the morning. I'm sure the SN-like service and GFE is great and all, so even I'll be tempted to tip (but I don't tip over 50 rmb). But 800 rmb is really what she should expect to get.
Does anyone know whether or not the Mayflower hotel/KTV will open up soon? I've usually stayed at the Miraton or Goodview in the past and wanted to try something new in CP. Also, I think it is much closer to my fav KTV, Yuan Tao (Jaiyi). Thats a lot of money to be sitting collecting dust for so long.
SE Asia Joe
06-04-09, 05:57
What IS out of line is her asking for 1000 RMB...WTH, directly asking for a 200 rmb tip?
That, and getting no nookie due to her auntie flo visiting unexpectedly in the morning. I'm sure the SN-like service and GFE is great and all, so even I'll be tempted to tip (but I don't tip over 50 rmb). But 800 rmb is really what she should expect to get.
Yesssss......but....... we've all been there before!
Gal - with a guy who don't even know how to say BOOO in Chinese; probably not gonna be back anytime soon - and even if he was coming back - how the hell is he gonna find her again; been nice all the time with her, yes she probably even likes him a bit; but hey, she's in the game and the game is to make as much as possible; no harm in asking - he probably don't even know the right price anyways; hell, he's a furrener and they're all rich and used to being scammed in China.
Parnelli - Wow, she's ever so nice; she'd even do things that WG's don't ever do; hell, what was the price I read somewhere on ISG - was it 800 or 1,200 or ...??; Oh hell even it's 800, so what's RMB 200?? 30 bucks and change?? For such a great time? And she's so poor comparatively, what's the harm?
Like I said - we/ve all been there before - succumbing to the charms of these courtesans, loving every minute of it, giddy, happy, satisfied, WOW!!!
It's not BSD - it's just - "Oh what the hell - why spoil the whole thing over a pittance" - and when he knows damn good and well, he wouldn't be able to argue/counter the price etc. even if he did want to!!
SEAJ
What IS out of line is her asking for 1000 RMB...WTH, directly asking for a 200 rmb tip?
That, and getting no nookie due to her auntie flo visiting unexpectedly in the morning. I'm sure the SN-like service and GFE is great and all, so even I'll be tempted to tip (but I don't tip over 50 rmb). But 800 rmb is really what she should expect to get.
I believe the girl took advantage of the guy ( Parnelli ). The girl saw a foreigner with possible deep pockets or sucker. They see me all the time like this. If it was a local or Taiwanese guy, I don't believe the girl would try something like asking for $1000.
Oh well, it's not as bad as one guy who gave $1000 or $1500 for a tip, I don't remember the exact amount, to one girl at a Houjie KTV he only met once for an one nighter. The tip was on top of her normal fee. The guy now gots his own thread on two continents.
In my book, it's OK for a $1000 tip only after you known the girl for a while and certainly not the first time you meet. I usually gradually increase it each time I see her.
Dan Hawaii
06-04-09, 08:16
I might as well report on my 4th and last night in CP. Thanks all for the comments and advice. I had heard much about the flower street and 600 girls at the Jai Yi, so decided to head there. I understood without a room I wouldn't get the full experience. The staff quickly shuffled me to the lounge, and I could only see the beginning of the flower street, and in the lounge could see nothing. I was there 20 minutes with just me and 10 wait staff, when finially a mama brought me a 3 or 4, who must have been the most unattractive girl there. I kept her 20-30 minutes with little communication, when things looked up. Another mama brought me a solid 7. She spoke a little english, was very interactive, and was a lot of fun. I paid of the other girl, and after a couple hours took the 7 back to the Peninsula. She must have had some sauna experience, as she did every massage in the book, with body gel, using her big rack to full effect, using water in her mouth, different positions. She even gave me a complete manicure. We couldn't do much the second day, as she had her period (blood all over bed to prove it). She stayed until 10: 30. She asked for 1, 000, and I ended up giving it. She stayed with me 14-15 hours and I had a GFE, so it was a nice ending to my four nights in CP.
This was followed with a night in the Seibu area of Shenzhen, which was a bust, I think because of LE presence.
So did you pop her to completion? or did the blood scare you away, I would've be scared. The point is, if you did complete, then 1000 should be okay, but 800-900 would have been more appropriate, cause she is, in a sense, "defective". But as long as you had a great time and it is hard to place a price on GFE.
However, seems like you are a bit of a push over. I don't mean to put you down, I think you are a cool fellow and being nice is always an awesome trait. But when dealing with people in China, especially mamas, girls, staff, you need to actually be a bit more firm, and if communication is a barrier, just do what you want to do, like enter the flower street. Don't let the staff push you to doing their will. You are the customer, and the customer is almost always right. And if you did something wrong, then just say "chim bu tong" and shrug your shoulders and have a puzzled look on your face. They usually walk away. Always works for me. hahaha ;)
Another word of advice, try to read the forum and do a search on the venues that interest you. You would have found that it was your RIGHT to go to the flower street and check out all the gals. And for the Penn night, you had the right to keep the girls for 15 minutes and then kick them out for free, without paying the sit fee. It's really easy for me to say it, cause I have been to CP many times, but live and learn. And the forum has a lot of material that you can sift through. But the most best way to enjoy CP is go with a friend that speaks English. And if he knows CP very well, then hold on to your horses, cause you going to be in for a ride of your life.
But the downfall is that, when you go back home, you are going to get depressed, very depressed. ;)
Again, thanks for all your comments. No, I didn't pop the girl the next morning, but I of course did the night before and she did use many of her massage skills on me in the morning.
I guess I was wrong for not insisting on the flower street. I thought I read on a previous post you could only do the flower street with a booked room. Looks like I was wrong and missed a good opportunity.
I was aware the pricing was 800 overnight, but I remember some posters saying overnight was until 8:00 the next morning, and if the girl stayed longer, she should receive extra. She stayed 14-15 hours, and provide sauna like treatment in addition. I thought some extra was warranted. Maybe 200 was too much.
Sukhumvitter
06-05-09, 09:44
Does anyone know whether or not the Mayflower hotel/KTV will open up soon? I've usually stayed at the Miraton or Goodview in the past and wanted to try something new in CP. Also, I think it is much closer to my fav KTV, Yuan Tao (Jaiyi). Thats a lot of money to be sitting collecting dust for so long.
Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport). The soft opening price is 200 RMB/night for a Miraton quality room. Also, they have a GREAT buffet dinner for 69 RMB all you can eat (steak, seafood, and sushi) in the "Van Gogh" Restaurant.
It is right across from the JaiYi and about a 10 walk down from the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels.
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Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport). The soft opening price is 200 RMB/night for a Miraton quality room. Also, they have a GREAT buffet dinner for 69 RMB all you can eat (steak, seafood, and sushi) in the "Van Gogh" Restaurant.
It is right across from the JaiYi and about a 10 walk down from the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels.
_Thanks for the update S. I'm gonna have to stop by there at the beginning of my next trip and check the place out. I can't wait, its been almost 15 months since I've been to China. I sure others feel the same way, its like the countdown to getting out of prison. Just for a short time, go crazy, run a muck, then back to prison. Hopefully, I'll have a chance to meet up with any bros that maybe in town then.
Cheers,
GZ
Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport). The soft opening price is 200 RMB/night for a Miraton quality room. Also, they have a GREAT buffet dinner for 69 RMB all you can eat (steak, seafood, and sushi) in the "Van Gogh" Restaurant.
It is right across from the JaiYi and about a 10 walk down from the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels.
Excellent news. S, I guess you just show up and ask for a room, or are they taking reservations? Does anyone have the Chinese name, one that the taxi drivers will recognize? Thanks
SE Asia Joe
06-05-09, 18:45
For you guys who wants just that bit more out of your CP experience and do things like taking your gals on a 'date" and do regular stuff, try going to the New Century Windway Mall - "San Sai Kei Cheung Sing Kong Jeung" (In Cantonese) in Dalang - a RMB 35 taxi ride away. This mall is huge, a bit more up-market and reminds me of some of the malls in the U.S. Best of all, there is a Movie house there playing the latest U.S. Movie releases in english with Chinese subtitles (for your date!). For RMB 25, you get huge arm chairs, lots of leg room, great sound and best of all, hardly any others in the audience!! We went there Friday Night and there were a maximum of 20 in the auditorium which could easily sit 200! We watched the latest Star Trek Movie and thoroughly enjoyed it!
Also at this mall is the Tian Yu hotel - a 5 star hotel which is also a drop off point for the EE bus and also the Tian Yu opera house - which looks to be one of those super opulent KTV's (didn't have a chance to actually check it out as we were on our "dates"!!!)
SEAJ
Ps. Want to encourage more guys here to do this as I personally am afraid that this Movie house is gonna close down sooner or later (OR WORSE, START SHOWING CHINESE MOVIES!!) if they don't start getting more movie goers!! And NO I don't have any financial interest in this!!
SE Asia Joe
06-05-09, 19:00
Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport). The soft opening price is 200 RMB/night for a Miraton quality room. Also, they have a GREAT buffet dinner for 69 RMB all you can eat (steak, seafood, and sushi) in the "Van Gogh" Restaurant.
It is right across from the JaiYi and about a 10 walk down from the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels.
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Not sure about the accuracy of what my taxi driver told me about the Mayflower - that indeed they have not gotten the "official" AND "unofficial" approvals yet - as the owners still have not satisfied the "powers that be"
And that it being so, guests that risk staying there are indeed "risking" in that one never knows if and when there is gonna be trouble 'stirred up."
THAT - is what one local said - and am really wondering what the truth of the whole matter is!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-05-09, 19:10
Lots of gals in CP BBS's these days!!
Took another ISG'r around to all the shops from approx 2.45 PM to 4 pm and found lots of gals. Started at the Hui Mei alley, and the shop closest to the Lucky already had a full house of at least 25 gals whilst Coco's shop had the gals trickling in and we saw about 10 of them (too early according to Coco!!)
Off to the Yalan area and each shop was at least 3/4 full. Went to the Swan Lake at approx 6 pm and it was chock-a-block full of gals.
Remember, this is a Friday afternoon - and thus great to see the shops so full and stocked with lots of new talent.
SEAJ
Pure torture reading this ..... I wanna become a China duck ;) Yadse yadse yadse
Lots of gals in CP BBS's these days!!
Took another ISG'r around to all the shops from approx 2.45 PM to 4 pm and found lots of gals. Started at the Hui Mei alley, and the shop closest to the Lucky already had a full house of at least 25 gals whilst Coco's shop had the gals trickling in and we saw about 10 of them (too early according to Coco!!)
Off to the Yalan area and each shop was at least 3/4 full. Went to the Swan Lake at approx 6 pm and it was chock-a-block full of gals.
Remember, this is a Friday afternoon - and thus great to see the shops so full and stocked with lots of new talent.
SEAJ
Sukhumvitter
06-06-09, 02:11
Excellent news. S, I guess you just show up and ask for a room, or are they taking reservations? Does anyone have the Chinese name, one that the taxi drivers will recognize? Thanks
The hotel name in Chinese is a direct translation: May Flower = Wu Yue Hua
May (as in the Month of May) = Wu Yue
Flower = Hua
I dont have their phone number...
Cheers
To make things clear: Mayflower KTV is not open, only (some) guestrooms i.e hotel rooms are open. Mayflower is next to Xindi disco, close to JiaYi/TaoYaun. The area is not very wel-lit at night, so take care.
Another option is to stay at the Manhattan serviced apartments for 168 rmb/night. Stayed there last week. For 168 rmb I got a split-level loft apartment: 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, 1 livingroom, 1 small kitchen. Only drawback is that the washroom on the second floor (beside the bedroom) has a low entrance due to a supporting beam, about 5 feet high. So you need t remember to duck everytime you go to the bathroom.
Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport). The soft opening price is 200 RMB/night for a Miraton quality room. Also, they have a GREAT buffet dinner for 69 RMB all you can eat (steak, seafood, and sushi) in the "Van Gogh" Restaurant.
It is right across from the JaiYi and about a 10 walk down from the Clipper and Swan Lake Hotels.
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To make things clear: Mayflower KTV is not open, only (some) guestrooms i.e hotel rooms are open. Mayflower is next to Xindi disco, close to JiaYi/TaoYaun. The area is not very wel-lit at night, so take care.
Another option is to stay at the Manhattan serviced apartments for 168 rmb/night. Stayed there last week. For 168 rmb I got a split-level loft apartment: 1 bedroom, 2 washrooms, 1 livingroom, 1 small kitchen. Only drawback is that the washroom on the second floor (beside the bedroom) has a low entrance due to a supporting beam, about 5 feet high. So you need t remember to duck everytime you go to the bathroom.
I stayed there (Mayflower Hotel) from April 2 to the 6th at 80 rmb a night (no breakfast) that rate for us their "invited guests" to be the guniea pigs while they tested their operational capability. No breakfast at that rate of course.
Unfortunately, they upped the rate to 200rmb thereon and since breakfast was not included at that rate (at that time) I decided to check out to my preferred Kinglong Hotel at similar rates but a locality closer to where my mates were wanting to stay.
The rooms (Mayflower) are brand new 3-star and the toilet is close to 4-star which is great if there are some who like a nice tub soak with their mei meis.
Wad, the Manhattan sounds like a great deal. How to book at that rate?
To book the Mayflower, call your favourite Jiayi (Tao Yuan) DJ or Mummy.
Wad, the Manhattan sounds like a great deal. How to book at that rate?
Wadman is talking about the Manhattan Service Apartments, not the hotel. They are located behind the hotel. Also, I think there is no internet for daily or weekly rentals. Basic TV.
The 80 rmb rate for Mayflower hotel was only a promo rate, it went on for something like 2 weeks. To work out their kinks, use you as guinea pigs as you call it.
I booked my Manhattan service apartment unit through a Manhattan KTV DJ. I checked out at the reception desk of the Manhattan hotel, so I would imagine you can book a service apartment unit through there as well.
Yes, only basic TV channels (no English channels as far as I remember). But the unit I got did have 2 TVs, one in the livingroom, one in the bedroom. Dunno about internet as I didn't bring my computer and didn't have time anyway.
As Santa pointed out: the 168 rmb is for a Manhattan serviced apartment unit. A Manhattan hotel room starts at 268.
I stayed there (Mayflower Hotel) from April 2 to the 6th at 80 rmb a night (no breakfast) that rate for us their "invited guests" to be the guniea pigs while they tested their operational capability. No breakfast at that rate of course.
Unfortunately, they upped the rate to 200rmb thereon and since breakfast was not included at that rate (at that time) I decided to check out to my preferred Kinglong Hotel at similar rates but a locality closer to where my mates were wanting to stay.
The rooms (Mayflower) are brand new 3-star and the toilet is close to 4-star which is great if there are some who like a nice tub soak with their mei meis.
Wad, the Manhattan sounds like a great deal. How to book at that rate?
To book the Mayflower, call your favourite Jiayi (Tao Yuan) DJ or Mummy.
SE Asia Joe
06-07-09, 10:05
the 80 rmb rate for mayflower hotel was only a promo rate, it went on for something like 2 weeks. to work out their kinks, use you as guinea pigs as you call it.
i booked my manhattan service apartment unit through a manhattan ktv dj. i checked out at the reception desk of the manhattan hotel, so i would imagine you can book a service apartment unit through there as well.
yes, only basic tv channels (no english channels as far as i remember). but the unit i got did have 2 tvs, one in the livingroom, one in the bedroom. dunno about internet as i didn't bring my computer and didn't have time anyway.
as santa pointed out: the 168 rmb is for a manhattan serviced apartment unit. a manhattan hotel room starts at 268.
and the main attraction about staying at the manhattan serviced apartment??? wellll....... it's all your neighbours!! these are mostly working gals and also mistresses. 90% of the time you'd be waiting around the lift lobby/ go up on the elevators accompanied by all sorts of good looking gals who you know are wg's. whoopeee!! (upper floors of the manhattan serviced aprtments are individual investor owned and put out for monthly rental at approximately rmb 900 ++/month)
and the main drawback - well.... these gals do not want to entertain clients where they live at!! they act - and many times expect - to be treated like a regular person and not a wg. the susie wong syndrome huh?!
oh and of course the low beam upstairs - expect to knock your head hard at least a couple time a day before you get used to this!
seaj
Wad, Santa * SEAJ,
Thanks for the replies and inputs.
No Internet will be problem for me; but, the locale is interesting in that you can walk to Yalan, the outdoor bars and then, Jiayi, Manhattan KTVs and perhaps Mayflower when it does open makes the location most convenient.
Heck, the price is certainly good.
Catcha sometime ya.
C.
SE Asia Joe
06-07-09, 11:51
Wad, Santa * SEAJ,
Thanks for the replies and inputs.
No Internet will be problem for me; but, the locale is interesting in that you can walk to Yalan, the outdoor bars and then, Jiayi, Manhattan KTVs and perhaps Mayflower when it does open makes the location most convenient.
Heck, the price is certainly good.
Catcha sometime ya.
C.
There is an internet bar directly across the Manhattan Hotel
SEAJ
Interesting, I like to rent a place for a week or month.
I stayed at these types of service apartments. Sometimes there is no maid service to clean up your room on a daily basis. Landry like your towels and bedding are done by yourself. Basically it is like renting a furnished apartment on a daily, weekly or monthly basis and the maid only comes in after you check-out.
Then there is no real in house security sometimes. You have to rely on the regular police. On the other hand, if it is part of the hotel, it should have some kind of security.
Is there maid service to clean your room ?
Last question is there a safe ?
Hi All,
Was wondering if anyone could help with some queries.
Am getting into sz airport about midnight and wondering if the taxi's or any other form of transport wld be able to get us into cp.
Last trip i took was from guangzhou there and transport was catered for, but this time and going on my own. So need some help on this query.
Threeway
Playboy2000
06-08-09, 00:38
Here is a question to all you CP experts.
What percentage of the CP KTV girls have boyfriends?
I've had about 10 KTV evenings over the past few years. Sometimes it is obvious that your "date" has a boyfriend, as she's incessantly checking her cell phone for messages. Other times, one can conclude from the girl's behavior at the KTV and afterwards that she probably doesn't have a boyfriend.
Now by boyfriend I do not mean some guy over 35 who works in Hong Kong and regularly visits CP. We define boyfriend here as a younger guy who lives in Guangdong, with whom she is truly "in love," and most likely she supports financially.
The next question is - you guessed it - what percentage of the BBS girls have boyfriends?
Chang Ping
06-08-09, 02:20
Mayflower is open but not officially. I guess they are still waiting for their certificates. They don't yet take credit cards or register you with the police (great for if you've gone to CP without your passport).Last time I stayed there (which was about 1 month or so ago) I paid with my credit card. Have things changed?
OldAsiaHand
06-08-09, 04:36
Hi All,
Was wondering if anyone could help with some queries.
Am getting into sz airport about midnight and wondering if the taxi's or any other form of transport wld be able to get us into cp.
Last trip i took was from guangzhou there and transport was catered for, but this time and going on my own. So need some help on this query.
Threeway
Threeway,
I reckon that your query has been answered on this thread more times than I can count. RTFF.
Thanks.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
06-08-09, 04:41
Here is a question to all you CP experts.
What percentage of the CP KTV girls have boyfriends?
I've had about 10 KTV evenings over the past few years. Sometimes it is obvious that your "date" has a boyfriend, as she's incessantly checking her cell phone for messages. Other times, one can conclude from the girl's behavior at the KTV and afterwards that she probably doesn't have a boyfriend.
Now by boyfriend I do not mean some guy over 35 who works in Hong Kong and regularly visits CP. We define boyfriend here as a younger guy who lives in Guangdong, with whom she is truly "in love," and most likely she supports financially.
The next question is - you guessed it - what percentage of the BBS girls have boyfriends?
Race Track,
This is a difficult question to answer since most WGs in CP will not tell you if they have a boyfriend. However, I have been with several BBS girls that told me they have a boyfriend back in their hometown. They were new on the game and did not know any better so they were honest about it.
Sometimes, the girl will make an excuse why she cannot stay LT which could also be a sign of a boyfriend.
That said, my guess is that a lot of them do have boyfriends.
Just my POV.
OAH
There is an internet bar directly across the Manhattan Hotel
SEAJ
Yes, but these internet bars usually have very slow connections, and are full of young guys playing loud video games and chain smoking cigarettes. If the internet is important to you this will probably not work. For a few dollars extra you can stay at a hotel and have the cable TV, daily room service and faster internet.
The Manhattan apartments are great if you can commit to long term rental.
Are there any privately owned units that offer short-time rentals with internet and cable, etc?
Here is a question to all you CP experts.
What percentage of the CP KTV girls have boyfriends?
I've had about 10 KTV evenings over the past few years. Sometimes it is obvious that your "date" has a boyfriend, as she's incessantly checking her cell phone for messages. Other times, one can conclude from the girl's behavior at the KTV and afterwards that she probably doesn't have a boyfriend.
Now by boyfriend I do not mean some guy over 35 who works in Hong Kong and regularly visits CP. We define boyfriend here as a younger guy who lives in Guangdong, with whom she is truly "in love," and most likely she supports financially.
The next question is - you guessed it - what percentage of the BBS girls have boyfriends?
Its been a while since I asked.
In the past, I have heard (heresay) that some of the girls (WLs) get seduced with drugs into the darkside by guys / syndicates so that they inevitably end up supporting the lifstyle and the guys; having to work in the profession.
There have also been no less than 3 BBS "kids" that I have had who told me that they were brought to the BBS by their boyfriends. Figure that out.
Check out Xindi in the late evenings after midnight! You will find many of the boyfriends awaiting their WLs.
No research so no percentages for you!
Hi All,
Was wondering if anyone could help with some queries.
Am getting into sz airport about midnight and wondering if the taxi's or any other form of transport wld be able to get us into cp.
Last trip i took was from guangzhou there and transport was catered for, but this time and going on my own. So need some help on this query.
Threeway
I am afraid that taxi will be the only way to go unless you spend the night at SZ
Check this
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/guangdong/dongguan/transportation/
SE Asia Joe
06-09-09, 04:56
Its been a while since I asked.
In the past, I have heard (heresay) that some of the girls (WLs) get seduced with drugs into the darkside by guys / syndicates so that they inevitably end up supporting the lifstyle and the guys; having to work in the profession.
There have also been no less than 3 BBS "kids" that I have had who told me that they were brought to the BBS by their boyfriends. Figure that out.
Check out Xindi in the late evenings after midnight! You will find many of the boyfriends awaiting their WLs.
No research so no percentages for you!
I've heard so many stories about how these gals end up supporting these boyfriends; It's practically a separate "industry" all by itself in CP!!
What you've described - using drugs - is probably one of the cruder methods these guys employ to control their gal - but its probably one of the least effective means as these gals will follow just about anybody who will give them a better 'deal' for their drugs. Besides which, drug use results in "damaging" their goods.
Tactics utilizing mind control/games/emotions/threats to the gal and/or her family - and LOVE - are used more often as they are much more effective.
- Physical threats - as these gals are basically defenseless, and also threats to the gal regarding her family back home on some made up pretext like the gal owing them $$ for having bought them stuff or even previously wining/dining them - said sums "lent' at extortionate rates with no way for the gal to ever fully repay back any time.
- Mental threats - re - exposure of their activities as a WG to the folks back home, or publishing on the internet etc of compromising pictures, or proof of their "illegal activities" to the authorities etc etc.
- LOVE - which is the most dastardly and effective means for these blood suckers to control their gals. Some of the stories I hear are quite incredible, some quite comical - and some even perversely quite heart warming as it shows just how truly naive these gals are. (all I can do when I hear these ones is to just shake my head!)
SEAJ
Ps. I betcha a high percentage of the sob stories that these gals tell us to elicit pity AND $$ i.e. sick grandma, dead water buffalo (oh that's in Thailand, here its broken tractor!), abortion/operation for themselves etc directly comes from the scheming minds fo their BF's!!
PPs. Race Track - Why the question on the percentage of gals with BF? Does it really matter one way or the other?
SE Asia Joe
06-09-09, 08:45
Yup - the Swan Lake sauna now has a show going on every weekday night at 8:00 pm.
Went there last Thursday and saw their full selection of gals -and they were GREAT!!!
The usual "place a garland around your gal choice" - and remember - if you call ahead to book, the room is ony RMB 50. A Bargain for such nice rooms!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-09-09, 09:01
Hi All,
Was wondering if anyone could help with some queries.
Am getting into sz airport about midnight and wondering if the taxi's or any other form of transport wld be able to get us into cp.
Last trip i took was from guangzhou there and transport was catered for, but this time and going on my own. So need some help on this query.
ThreewayHey 3-way - you're that guy with the pre-wedding bachelor trip last year right? Since I recall you writing up some good posts to report your excursion....
If you're arriving midnight in shenzhen - I'd advise you strongly NOT to try to get to CP the same night. Things ain't all that safe these days - and even locals are quite reluctant to take taxis - especially the pirate taxis - on long, lonely and dark rides (you'd need at least 90 minutes SZ airport to CP)
And chances are that if you try to get a taxi from SZ to CP, you'd most likely get "sold" to a taxi at the SZ border which is returning to CP. This is a common practice and let me tell you, you SHOULD be scared when this happens as your original taxi driver will just sell you to whoever (legit as well as pirate taxis) comes up with the highest bid. Your original taxi driver don't care a dime what happens to you after he's already sold you off.
SEAJ
Its been a while since I asked.
In the past, I have heard (heresay) that some of the girls (WLs) get seduced with drugs into the darkside by guys / syndicates so that they inevitably end up supporting the lifstyle and the guys; having to work in the profession.
There have also been no less than 3 BBS "kids" that I have had who told me that they were brought to the BBS by their boyfriends. Figure that out.
Check out Xindi in the late evenings after midnight! You will find many of the boyfriends awaiting their WLs.
No research so no percentages for you!
And then these girls abandon their romantic ideas and learn to believe that all relationships with men are only about the money.
And then we abandon our romantic ideas and learn to believe that all relationships with these girls are only about the money.
Which, because of the situation, becomes true. That's why some guys say, "in the eyes of these girls, we are just walking atm machines." If the atm machine quits paying out money, she finds another atm machine.
And we learn to believe, "hey, she's just another working gal, don't become emotionally involved. Just pay her for the service and move on to another one."
SE Asia Joe
06-09-09, 09:26
Interesting, I like to rent a place for a week or month.
I stayed at these types of service apartments. Sometimes there is no maid service to clean up your room on a daily basis. Landry like your towels and bedding are done by yourself. Basically it is like renting a furnished apartment on a daily, weekly or monthly basis and the maid only comes in after you check-out.
Then there is no real in house security sometimes. You have to rely on the regular police. On the other hand, if it is part of the hotel, it should have some kind of security.
Is there maid service to clean your room ?
Last question is there a safe ?
Daily Maid service available.
No in house security - and even if it IS part of Manhattan hotel, its in a totally separate building and I'd hate to have to rely on the Manhattan security as far apart as they are.
No safe.
Hell Weelock - as concerned as you are at all times about safety issues in China - I'd recommend strongly that you do NOt stay here as it IS located in the worst part of CP - the Swan Lake Road area. And most of your neighbours ARE gonna either be Working gals or Kept women.... with all sorts of Boyfriends/friends/suspicious characters coming in and out at all hours of the day and night. I think you'd not enjoy yourself here.
SEAJ
Here is a question to all you CP experts.
What percentage of the CP KTV girls have boyfriends?
I've had about 10 KTV evenings over the past few years. Sometimes it is obvious that your "date" has a boyfriend, as she's incessantly checking her cell phone for messages. Other times, one can conclude from the girl's behavior at the KTV and afterwards that she probably doesn't have a boyfriend.
Not a CP expert, but i'll throw in my 1/2 yuan.
I'm not sure if "boyfriends" have the $ or the thoughtfulness to send SMSs. Most of msgs are from walking atms wondering where their favorite gals are. If the gals don't get much msgs, then maybe she does a good job screening her calls. If guys can do it, so can the gals.
I've been to the internet cafe around SWL and I've seen WGs QQ or videoing. I can imagine they're connecting to their bfs maybe from their hometown. I have heard that the internet cafe in smaller towns are cheaper than the ones in CP. One gal said she would not stay in an apt. without internet connection.
CP is really not a great town for guys to work in. Perhaps the BFs work in another town and visit his gal like once a week or so (that's enough time to collect her savings for the week). Of course, if he's into gambling, drugs, petty dealings, it's more reason for him to move around constantly.
BF or no-BF, it's the illusion that these gals are selling you. Once you get past the illusion, you'll find all kinds of sinister and shady nastiness that'll always be part of the WG industry.
Now by boyfriend I do not mean some guy over 35 who regularly visits CP.
Cough, cough, SEAJ, cough, cough, Wad, cough, cough....
Excuse me. I've had an IV connected to my hand for the last 4 days. Overheard the doc saying somethin like "xin bing", but Wad assured me it's the flu...
Playboy2000
06-09-09, 13:35
PPs. Race Track - Why the question on the percentage of gals with BF? Does it really matter one way or the other?
No it doesn't matter much. Just find it fun to understand the mentality of the girls. Also, just trying to make the discussion here a little more lively - it is more interesting than talking about how to travel from point A to point B.
PS. Of all the ways you mentioned, I suspect that Love is my far the most common tactic. When the girl realizes that she is being duped, then the boyfriend may use one of the threat tactics. Just a gut feeling.
SEAJ - So what is your take on the percentages? 50-50?
Jaimito Cartero
06-09-09, 16:49
After a brief daytime visit in May, I'm coming for a two week stay, arriving either Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Part of the reason I didn't do anything my first trip, is the internet blocking of the ISG. I had used proxies for some countries in the past, but didn't find anything that worked. Live and learn, eh?
I've done lots of SE Asia mongering, but have yet to do anything in China. If anyone is in town, and can give me a quick run down of the city, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Stoker Star
06-09-09, 17:47
Visited Dongguan about 3 weeks ago. Stayed at Dongguan International Hotel. Decent hotel but ISG was blocked and I could not figure a way around it. Pretty much any sexual type site was blocked.
There was a ktv in the rear of the hotel. I did go there 1 night. Pricey for my standards. Someone else was picking up the drinks and they do push them just like a low class us strip joint. I took a girl back to my room. About $120 us. Service started out slow but picked up. Girl seemed overjoyed when I sent her home after a couple of hours.
Fairly decent British Pub a couple of blocks from the Hotel. One for The Road.
Not the same experience for me compared to the Dr, costa Rica & Brazil.
ciao
I'm coming to CP for my first visit in the next month or two. I won't have exact dates until much closer to the time, but having read many reports on this site, its not the world's safest mongering destination.
When I know my exact dates, I'll be back on the board to try and hitch up with other like minded travellers as there is obviously safety in numbers.
My other option appeared when I was thinking about the trip and was wondering what I might do in CP between main events. For around 6 months I have been learning Mandarin, and I thought I could look for some tutoring in my spare time. I have read how, apart from mongering, there is little else to do in CP. I put an ad in Craigslist for a Mandarin tutor in CP, and I got a reply from a local who claims to be a qualified tutor etc etc, but in our emails he quickly got onto the topic of "other activities" and offered to be my guide for mongering as well as my tutor. No doubt there would be a fee involved, but I wouldn't mind paying for peace of mind for a fair price.
The problem as I see is that the country is full of scammers, and I know nothing about this guy. He could be setting me up etc etc.
I was wondering what the views of experienced CP mongerers was on this, and whether there are locals there who can be guides and be trusted.
I'm coming to CP for my first visit in the next month or two. I won't have exact dates until much closer to the time, but having read many reports on this site, its not the world's safest mongering destination.
When I know my exact dates, I'll be back on the board to try and hitch up with other like minded travellers as there is obviously safety in numbers.
My other option appeared when I was thinking about the trip and was wondering what I might do in CP between main events. For around 6 months I have been learning Mandarin, and I thought I could look for some tutoring in my spare time. I have read how, apart from mongering, there is little else to do in CP. I put an ad in Craigslist for a Mandarin tutor in CP, and I got a reply from a local who claims to be a qualified tutor etc etc, but in our emails he quickly got onto the topic of "other activities" and offered to be my guide for mongering as well as my tutor. No doubt there would be a fee involved, but I wouldn't mind paying for peace of mind for a fair price.
The problem as I see is that the country is full of scammers, and I know nothing about this guy. He could be setting me up etc etc.
I was wondering what the views of experienced CP mongerers was on this, and whether there are locals there who can be guides and be trusted.
There are plenty of reasons why showing newbies around is trouble. It would help if we knew something more about you because this was your FIRST post since joining Sept 2007. Weird, why so long ? You could be LE or a reporter and nobody gets paid for showing newbies around.
Reasons, a lot of new members just post asking questions and then disappear. Some promise to post a report after getting information but are never heard of again or never post a followup. On the other hand, most people who live or work in China that met other new members I got the feeling are fine but there are a few who are assholes.
One example I recall is a senior member booking a hotel room for a few guys. Several occasions they never show up. There were no call or apology. It looks bad for the senior member for the no shows for reservation on his hotel account.
There are others that were showed around and don’t speak any Chinese but afterwards, nobody wanted to associated with them. One new guy after taking girls back to his hotel, he insisted pictures and most likely nude be taken. Once in his room if the girl disagree, he take her back to get another girl without any payment to the girl. I think he returned a few times until he got one to agree to pictures. And the mamasans didn't know what was the reason or what was going on.
Another new guy I heard was blacked balled by some mamasans. I think he didn’t want to pay some of the girls because of bad service or something. I don’t know the exact story but nobody wants to associate with this guy now.
Another story I heard a Chinese member who got a call late night from another new newbie complaining about his girl they went together to pick up. The newbie said the girl didn’t want to have sex with him. The phone was passed to the girl and she said the guy doesn’t want to wear a condom. The phone was passed back to the guy and was asked was it true. The guy said nothing, so it was assumed true.
So far I have not heard of stories of newbies wanting very very very young girls. I am sure there are guys on this forum that are like this.
Another good example is in Ace Gallant Forum about a new guy in Shanghai. Again he doesn’t speak a word of Chinese and I think his first time in China. I think AG showed him around and later got into big trouble with a girl and LE.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843821&postcount=171
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2745
Overall, most guys on the forum are great. It just takes a few to ruin it for everyone else.
I think it is easier to find a Mandarin tutor in exchange for your English skills at a larger town than CP. Try Shenzhen or Guangzhou, both have several university students looking for English tutors.
The first meeting of your craigslist tutor should be in a public place and not at your hotel in my opinion. Try Starbucks across the street from the Miraton Hotel. It is generally quite and you can study there. Do not give too much personal information about yourself.
Good to know you have been reading the forum and studying Mandarin. I took 1 year in College and it's barely enough. An extra year or two would be a lot more helpful.
I'm coming to CP for my first visit in the next month or two. I won't have exact dates until much closer to the time, but having read many reports on this site, its not the world's safest mongering destination.
Have you read the numerous posts in THIS thread?? Or from the ones that are archived from 2007?
I put an ad in Craigslist for a Mandarin tutor in CP, and I got a reply from a local who claims to be a qualified tutor etc etc, but in our emails he quickly got onto the topic of "other activities" and offered to be my guide for mongering as well as my tutor.
The problem as I see is that the country is full of scammers, and I know nothing about this guy. He could be setting me up etc etc.
Scammers are a given anywhere in the whole world.
And I love the loosely use of the term "qualified." I told a company that I was "qualified" at this and that and next thing I knew I had an offer. I'm not scamming per say, but being able to do it doesn't make me "qualified." As for teaching Mandarin to a foreigner who is starting from ground zero, I'm sure 86% of the people in all of China can "tutor" you with the basics.
Playboy2000
06-10-09, 12:37
Yup - the Swan Lake sauna now has a show going on every weekday night at 8:00 pm.
Went there last Thursday and saw their full selection of gals -and they were GREAT!!!
The usual "place a garland around your gal choice" - and remember - if you call ahead to book, the room is ony RMB 50. A Bargain for such nice rooms!!
SEAJ
There has been very little talk about the Swan Lake sauna on this forum. I didn't even know they have one. I assume it is at the Swan Lake Hotel? Can you say a little about the price (if you don't have a phone number), the time, the typical level of performance, and what this garland thing is about?
By the way, does anyone know how to say Swan Lake Hotel in Mandarin? How about Virgin Hotel?
Dongguan. Changping. Solo! (with directions for newbies)
Landed in Guangzhou in the midst of a summer heatwave last week and decided I should treat myself to some of the local delicacies in Dongguan, since it was nearby. Armed with advice and directions from kind bros from this and other forums, I made my way to the Guangzhou East Railway Station (? )and bought a 50RMB ticket at the ticket counter for Guangzhou. Dongguan.
As many bros have indicated, the station where the train stops, is actually Changping, within Dongguan. Don't worry about having to book tickets in advance as there are trains almost every 10-15 minutes and it's almost as easy as taking the subway.
I was on the train within minutes and it took about 45 minutes frm Guangzhou East to Dongguan. Once I arrived, I got off the train and had my first look at Dongguan in the daytime. Boy it sure looked like a frontier factory town. Not many high-rise buildings and it was pretty deserted. Followed the pathway out and picked one of the taxis that were waiting for passengers. Based on RTF, I wanted to try to find the Gold mine, but I think I'll have to rack up some points before even coming close to guessing where it actually is. So I settled for the Crown Prince Sauna reviewed a while back.
The ride took about 20 minutes and it was quite a distance, bout 15km from the railway station, to the hotel where the sauna was located. It's actually located NEXT to the hotel, in an annex building, just walk on down past the hotel main lobby entrance and you can't miss it. Two petite and cute hostesses opened the doors to welcome me and asked if I wanted a regular room for RMB248 or a deluxe for RMB368. Since it was my first time, I asked for the deluxe and was shown to the 3rd floor.
The room had a nice king-sized bed, and a sex chair in the corner for more acrobatic positions, and had porn playing on 2 of the channels, LOL. The bathroom was spectacular with a shower bed, sauna, bathtub, standing shower. All facilities were in great condition and very clean.
The manager came in and proceeded to call in the girls in groups of 4. They were all 500RMB category, though I've read that there are even better looking ones for the VIP customers or for VIP rooms. Unfortunately none were available that day as I was pretty early =p. There were a couple of stunners in the lineup, but I eventually picked a tall, cute-looking chick from Sichuan that kept giving me eye-contact and smiling. As all bros know, those girls who WANT to be picked usually give the best service, and I wasn't disappointed.
We had some chit-chat and proceeded to the bathroom, where she proceeded to lie me down on the shower bed and soap me all over, and once I was clean, started with a BBBJ until I shot my first load in her mouth. After she cleaned up, we dried off and proceeded for round 2 in bed. I must say that the girls are very well trained and service oriented, they will do pretty much anything to please the customer, and my girl was no exception. I guess it also helped that I wasn't her typical middle-aged customer but could keep up with her in bed. The rest is pretty textbook and I think most bros would want to find out for themselves what the various menu items are.
The session lasted 2 hours and seemed a pretty good deal for the quality of girls that I saw. Gave the girl the 500RMB with a little tip and exchanged numbers for my next visit. Headed out and paid the room charge of 368RMB at the front desk. You can pay by card, and even in HK dollars.
I left the place a happy man! I look forward to going back again one day!
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SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 05:09
There has been very little talk about the Swan Lake sauna on this forum. I didn't even know they have one. I assume it is at the Swan Lake Hotel? Can you say a little about the price (if you don't have a phone number), the time, the typical level of performance, and what this garland thing is about?
By the way, does anyone know how to say Swan Lake Hotel in Mandarin? How about Virgin Hotel?
OK - Swan Lake. Floors 2 and 3 is the footie and floors 4-5-6 is the Sauna. Floors 7 and 8 are the regular rooms and the 9th floor is where the brand new rooms with the plasma TV etc is at. The Sauna Room is 80 regular walk in, 68 if you just ask for a discount and 50 if you call ahead. Go figure! Also, if you arrange thru the SWL BBS/KTV mommies when you take one of their gals, they can get you one of the rooms for a "short term" - a couple hours to do your thing but you don't get a key for I think RMB 60!
The gals are 400 for the pocket rockets and 500 for the taller ones - although mind you, at the SWL, there SEEMS to be less bias towards price categories based on height vs other places and IMHO, the higher priced ones ARE better looking and not just tall. PMS me for the phone ## and mgr to call ahead.
The red garland thing is a common thing in the saunas with catwalk shows. The punters are given these garland - which he then places on the gal of his choice at the parade. Hokey, Pure Hoke! BTW - these are different from the garlands at some KTV's which punters actually buy - for RMB 50 or 100 and "present" to his gal of choice. And the more garlands a gal receives, the more "face' she gets amongst her colleagues etc. What a sucker's game!! Out of the 50 or 100, the gal only gets 20% back as rebate - with the KTV keeping the 80%. Last time a gal asked me for a garland, I told her I'd instead tip her a bit more after the deed!!
OK, on the Chinese name - I'll try..... with my Pai Tung Hwa: "Tian Er Hu" - that shud get you there!! If not, try cantonese - "Tien Ho Wu." And BTW - Swan Lake refers to both the street as well as the hotel - and even as a district by itself. The Virgin is "Juen Yu"
BTW - I see that the SWL "Annex" next door, where the KTV is located at and where there are also old rooms upstairs which were priced lower - I think RMB 128 - is now being re-decorated. Believe that they're gonna tear down the old rooms and renovate it to higher standards so as to be able to charge higher prices.
Anything else you need to know? Feel as if I'm the official spokesman for the SWL!! JEEEEZ!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 05:23
Was on another day trip to CP and had the bad luck of getting a total dead fish! Man -what a waste of time and money!
Anyway, went up to the SWL and chatted with the mommies while leisurely looking over all the gals. Chose one, changed mind, chose another one and of course another caught my eye. Xiao Li - all pretty, smiley and I'VE NOT SEEN HER BEFORE!! Eureka!! A pretty new gal .... and of course I then chose her.
First mistake - not one word of Cantonese - I shud have known better. No problem I thought, my Pai Tung Hwa shud suffice. Took her to dinner, a bit of chit chat (a very little bit - had to rely on my buddies and their gals to do quite a bit of translation) - so far so good. Second mistake - I thought I saw a bit of a tummy when I first chose - but hey - baby fat I thought!
Anyway, on to the main course and of course first thing first - no pictures, no pictures!! Then it was off to the shower and already - NO, I'll wash myself please! Yup she actually said please - so what could I do?
Onto the bed and she was all covered up in the towel. Take that damn thing off already will ya!! OK OK - and it was NO, don't kiss me, NO, not even on my neck - my make-up, too itchy, not comfortable. And then she examined me - and really looked at it, smelled it, rubbed on it, smell on it again - before reluctantly putting me in her mouth....barely... thru clenched lips...all dry...and promptly choked and made all that horrible noise clearing her throat, destroying my tissue box and on and on.....
Enough of this shit and i mounted her .... and of course she just laid there... motionless...expressionless. I may as well have just used one of OWL's plastic dolls!!
More.....
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 05:36
After this totally unsatisfactory experience, I really had to find out what had actually happened.
Whipped out BOTH my dictionary as well as telephone translator - and found out that yes she just started and yes she does have a boyfriend who is still working in the factory which she just left a week or so ago. And NO, the BF does not know what she's doing - and thinks that she's found a job at another factory in CP.
And that she's only doing this to save up a bit of money and hopefully have a fresh start with the love of her life. But that even if she's doing it, its totally a job without any emotions, without any feelings - and that she would not acknowledge the fact of what she is doing even whilst doing it!! Jeeez.... what a painful thing.
But that is how good some of these Chinese gals are - to their BF, to their families, to those they care about - that they would actually totally sacrifice themselves for them. And you figure these cockroaches preying on these gals - how easy it is to manipulate them.... to make them fall madly in love... to have them go out and make money for them....
No, in the case of Xiao Li, it was not a case of a cockroach BF - for I do believe her when she tells me that the BF does not even know anything about her recent activities and that she does NOT give her BF any money at all. But I wanted to tell this story as it will round out what said about how these cockroaches use "love and sentiment" to get these gals to work for them.
SEAJ
Ps. And NO Wadman - I did NOT give her any more than the usual RMB20-30 extra I give all the gals!
SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 06:00
Cough, cough, SEAJ, cough, cough, Wad, cough, cough....
Excuse me. I've had an IV connected to my hand for the last 4 days. Overheard the doc saying somethin like "xin bing", but Wad assured me it's the flu...
Sumbache!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 06:20
There are plenty of reasons why showing newbies around is trouble. ............
My exact sentiment really!!
And yet, guys here regularly seem to expect that one of us will step up and offer our advise, offer to show them around, to be their translator, to arrange stuff for them - and oh yeah - round of beer on them!!! Errrr... I guess we here cain't afford to buy our own beers huh? AAnd oh - since they're sooooo experienced elsewhere, that we'd be ever so grateful if we can be in their presence to take in all that valuable information as they regale us with their tales of manly conquests and adventures!! YUP!!
somebody ought to start an actual service - and charge actual money to show guys around, to keep them out of trouble, to make sure they don't get fleeced - or worse - robbed!!
OK guys - who here would pay actual Dollars if there is a genuine, honest and reliable service for ISG'rs?? Show of hand please - especially those guys who're contemplating actually visiting? And NO - it ain't gonna be like any other sex destination and yes, you ARE gonna get yourself in a knot if you come here unprepared etc.
SEAJ
My exact sentiment really!!
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somebody ought to start an actual service - and charge actual money to show guys around, to keep them out of trouble, to make sure they don't get fleeced - or worse - robbed!!
OK guys - who here would pay actual Dollars if there is a genuine, honest and reliable service for ISG'rs?? Show of hand please - especially those guys who're contemplating actually visiting? And NO - it ain't gonna be like any other sex destination and yes, you ARE gonna get yourself in a knot if you come here unprepared etc.
SEAJ
Yes there are services in a few places around the world. There are for people who don't want to read the forum or are too busy. These guys have deep pockets. Classified ad threads in ISG around the world are for these guys. Russian is a good example and has advertising on ISG. In China there is Dragon D in Shanghai. Dragon D might get into trouble soon because of the crack downs for the world expo 2010. He should lay low or be extremely cautious until after the expo IMHO. Jackson should charge these guys a fee if he doesn't already.
What I heard is compared to average people, these girls make great money. The problem is most will send majority of it back home to their parents. Parents are their first priority then maybe their boyfriend.
SEAJ
Ps. And NO Wadman - I did NOT give her any more than the usual RMB20-30 extra I give all the gals!
At least she has a Nokia cell phone to call her boyfriend on now - hope you got her a nice one. LOL.
Yes it is true the girls will do this for their family or boyfriend without coersion too, making the money and sending it back to their parents for their brother's college, parents income, etc.
What i can't believe is that you made such a bad choice, you never miss. fall of the legend.
At least she has a Nokia cell phone to call her boyfriend on now - hope you got her a nice one. LOL.
Freepeaks,
you took the words right out of my mouth.
A 20-30 rmb tip for deadfish service? Shouldn't you be complaining to mommie instead?
SE Asia Joe
06-11-09, 10:20
Freepeaks,
you took the words right out of my mouth.
A 20-30 rmb tip for deadfish service? Shouldn't you be complaining to mommie instead?
I knew it. I KNEW IT!!
Say sumthin' about me overpaying a bit or me screwing up with a gal and I lure Wadman back here!! The long lost Wadman!! where the hell ya been??!!
And Freepeaks - what's this nonszense about ".......What i can't believe is that you made such a bad choice, you never miss. fall of the legend..........." Hell - you of all guys should know that all I am is the law of averages. Do enuff of 'em and one is bound to get good ones from all the chaffe.
But I of course don't usually tell nobody 'bout the bad ones..... ceptin' this one.... just to illustrate my point about love and BF and....AND to lure Wadman back out!!
And by the way, these xanchai phones - they're great!! Double sim cards, cheap - practically disposable - prices, all sorts of features - one swill even actually READ all your messages..... in a choice of Cantonese or Putonghua. Now one need to never wonder no more 'bout what some dirty - or clean - legs is sms'ing over to you about.
SEAJ
Ps. the only saving grace about a Li is that she was at least NOT a stinky Salted fish!! Just a really really dead fish!!
OK, on the subject of boyfriends of working girls, let me weigh in as well. This has been commented on by a few guys already.
When they first come out, a lot of the girls in CP probably have a BF back in their hometown, or the town they were in before becoming a WG. These are the "normal" kind of BFs i.e. she worked at a shitjob, he worked/works at a shitjob, but at least they have each other, and yes, life is a fairytale.
Once they turn into a WG, and certainly after they have been for a while, it's doubtful whether the BF-GF relationship actually still exists. Mainland Chinese people don't tend to break up formally, so it's a relationship in name only. They just drift apart and stop calling/seeing each other. For my first couple of (real) GFs that I had in China, I did a formal western-style breakup, to have closure, not leaving things hanging, etc. I must say the breakups were more trouble than they were worth, I am doing things the Chinese way now (this is China after all).
The girls who are recent arrivals (few days, maybe a few weeks) in CP almost always don't have a local BF yet. And yes, you can tell by their attitude that they don't have one. If nothing else, than them not threathening to sick their BF and his buddies on you in case of a dispute.
Which brings me to the next point, no "boyfriend" that these girls meet in CP is a real BF in the traditional sense. Much more pimp than BF. The girls ain't that naive. Or if they were, they don't stay naive very long, cause they can see the situation for themselves, and talk to other girls about their experiences. Like SEAJ, I am not counting the 35+ year old guys who come in on weekends as "BFs", those are customers.
So do WGs in CP have BFs? It is my believe that the majority of BBS and KTV girls have one (once they are settled in). It's a matter of survival, to deal with customers, other competing girls, robbers on the street, other pimps/BFs. Sauna girls don't need one cause everything takes place inside the sauna. Foot massage girls and other low(er) earning girls usually don't have one, cause they can't afford one.
Ask a sauna girl whether she has a BF, and she will usually reply that she doesn't want one at the moment because of the nature of her job. They are usually quite honest and forthcoming with this. Ask a BBS/KTV girl the same question, and you get a different reply: they deny they have one (more attractive to you), BF is back home, etc.
Whipped out BOTH my dictionary as well as telephone translator - and found out that yes she just started and yes she does have a boyfriend who is still working in the factory which she just left a week or so ago. And NO, the BF does not know what she's doing - and thinks that she's found a job at another factory in CP.
And that she's only doing this to save up a bit of money and hopefully have a fresh start with the love of her life. But that even if she's doing it, its totally a job without any emotions, without any feelings - and that she would not acknowledge the fact of what she is doing even whilst doing it!! Jeeez.... what a painful thing.
But that is how good some of these Chinese gals are - to their BF, to their families, to those they care about - that they would actually totally sacrifice themselves for them. And you figure these cockroaches preying on these gals - how easy it is to manipulate them.... to make them fall madly in love... to have them go out and make money for them....
No, in the case of Xiao Li, it was not a case of a cockroach BF - for I do believe her when she tells me that the BF does not even know anything about her recent activities and that she does NOT give her BF any money at all. But I wanted to tell this story as it will round out what said about how these cockroaches use "love and sentiment" to get these gals to work for them.
Playboy2000
06-11-09, 13:17
OK, on the subject of boyfriends of working girls, let me weigh in as well. This has been commented on by a few guys already.
When they first come out, a lot of the girls in CP probably have a BF back in their hometown, or the town they were in before becoming a WG. These are the "normal" kind of BFs i.e. she worked at a shitjob, he worked/works at a shitjob, but at least they have each other, and yes, life is a fairytale.
Once they turn into a WG, and certainly after they have been for a while, it's doubtful whether the BF-GF relationship actually still exists. Mainland Chinese people don't tend to break up formally, so it's a relationship in name only. They just drift apart and stop calling/seeing each other. For my first couple of (real) GFs that I had in China, I did a formal western-style breakup, to have closure, not leaving things hanging, etc. I must say the breakups were more trouble than they were worth, I am doing things the Chinese way now (this is China after all).
The girls who are recent arrivals (few days, maybe a few weeks) in CP almost always don't have a local BF yet. And yes, you can tell by their attitude that they don't have one. If nothing else, than them not threathening to sick their BF and his buddies on you in case of a dispute.
Which brings me to the next point, no "boyfriend" that these girls meet in CP is a real BF in the traditional sense. Much more pimp than BF. The girls ain't that naive. Or if they were, they don't stay naive very long, cause they can see the situation for themselves, and talk to other girls about their experiences. Like SEAJ, I am not counting the 35+ year old guys who come in on weekends as "BFs", those are customers.
So do WGs in CP have BFs? It is my believe that the majority of BBS and KTV girls have one (once they are settled in). It's a matter of survival, to deal with customers, other competing girls, robbers on the street, other pimps/BFs. Sauna girls don't need one cause everything takes place inside the sauna. Foot massage girls and other low(er) earning girls usually don't have one, cause they can't afford one.
Ask a sauna girl whether she has a BF, and she will usually reply that she doesn't want one at the moment because of the nature of her job. They are usually quite honest and forthcoming with this. Ask a BBS/KTV girl the same question, and you get a different reply: they deny they have one (more attractive to you), BF is back home, etc.
This analysis makes a lot of sense to me.
Beijing Xiber
06-11-09, 13:57
My exact sentiment really!!
And yet, guys here regularly seem to expect that one of us will step up and offer our advise, offer to show them around, to be their translator, to arrange stuff for them - and oh yeah - round of beer on them!!! Errrr... I guess we here cain't afford to buy our own beers huh? AAnd oh - since they're sooooo experienced elsewhere, that we'd be ever so grateful if we can be in their presence to take in all that valuable information as they regale us with their tales of manly conquests and adventures!! YUP!!
somebody ought to start an actual service - and charge actual money to show guys around, to keep them out of trouble, to make sure they don't get fleeced - or worse - robbed!!
OK guys - who here would pay actual Dollars if there is a genuine, honest and reliable service for ISG'rs?? Show of hand please - especially those guys who're contemplating actually visiting? And NO - it ain't gonna be like any other sex destination and yes, you ARE gonna get yourself in a knot if you come here unprepared etc.
SEAJ
I thought Dragon D already has this type service in Shanghai. Maybe he can expand to all around China and sell franchises!
Keep safe.
BJXB
Ah, what a good afternoon. Woke up, had a good round of lunch with good CP friends and chilled in the hotel room until 4. Fully refreshed and in a good mood, checked out the Yalan BBS. One of the mommies recognized me immediately and took me to her shop (snookers shop?, went there with JET). Saw the lineup and got a funky looking chick with over 10 ear-rings in her ears.
Girl was fun as heck. Very playful and enjoyed messing around before showering together. BBBJ and light kissing. Wouldn't french, but oh well. Had a stink down there, so didn't dare venture south. Kinda hairy down there as well. Oh well, as long as she's got a nice face and a bad girl look, she'll lure the youngins in. Had a good fun time afterwards too. Not rushed at all.
Next up is an Oil Massage. Never done this before so I compared prices. Clipper was 198 for 90 minutes. Next door is Ya Tao Hotel and they offered 120 for 90 minutes. The room was ho-hum. Plain ole hotel room. Small and hard bed. Sat down and played with my new Nokia. Girl came in and looks ok. Short and had a decent rack. Kinda cute (a 6 in a scale of 10). Anyhow, took shower and laid down naked. She did a great job massaging. Very comfortable and felt good. Not professional, but enough for a good and medium strength rub throughout the body. I rate the experience quite high. She was chatty, but I was playing with SMSs. I didn't ask for her tag number or name, but felt I should've so I can recommend her to others. HJ was implied but I stopped her and said that it's unnecessary. FJ was available for less than 300 rmb all inclusive.
ps. this girl speaks Cantonese.
Oil Massage part dos
Ah fuk it. What else am I gonna do to kill 2 hours? Long story short, was waiting for my gal as she gave all kinds of excuses for not coming over immediately. She wanted to do shopping and then she wanted to go to net cafe, etc. Went to Clipper Oil Massage for 198 rmb for 90 minutes.
Went in and manageress took me to a nice room. It had a steamer, a shower, and an OK bed. She told me to relax and went out to get a masseuse. I played with the steamer, but didn't know how to turn it on. Damn thing had like 5 buttons and I couldn't find the right combination to turn it on.
Girl comes in. My OH MY. She looks like a KTV or SN girl. Tall, skinny, big eyes, fluffy hair, and nice boobs (in a low tight shirt and tight pants). I got naked (she didn't of course) and started the massage. Ok, she had NO massage skills. She was caressing and rubbing, but it was a "I-don't-know-how-to-massage" kind of service. She was chatty tho. This went on for like 30 minutes.
Flipped over and she started with frontal. I touched her boobs and even got to her wet spot. Nice and wet. After more light touching non-sense, she laid down besides me and voluntarily took her pants and panties off. Hmmm... I played with her breasts and got her shirt and bra off. Hmmmm.... No kissing her breasts but plenty of Frenching with tongue action. Hmmm..... She did get me all hot and ready, but I told her I had a gf that night. So I didn't want sex (hell, I didn't even get the Oil Massage, which I wanted!).
More playing. Damn girl is persistent. What else are we gonna do to kill the rest of the time? She was very playful. Played the part of sex starved tigress nicely. Then turned all innocent and said she's only there to massage and she only does oil massage and footies. Kinda nuts if it's real, but amusing if it's an act.
Ok, all this for 198 rmb. HJ is inclusive (i'd imagine, again, I refused). I asked about a BJ. She told me 250 rmb. Sorry, girl. BJ's are bliss, but I'll pass at 250. Asked FJ, she wanted 500 rmb. That's ST for KTV gals. I countered at 350 to see what she'll do/say. No go. Fine, wasn't serious at the 350 anyway.
Got her number, paid the 198 rmb for the 90 minutes of oil massage and left. Pretty crazy 90 minutes. I should check out the Clipper footie next time. Maybe there are some equally nice looking gals there. I also heard that Clipper gals are pretty persistent to getting tips. Have fun and if the prices they offer for "extra" services sound high, politely refuse.
Ps. the only saving grace about a Li is ...... Just a really really dead fish!!
Below, on ur original post, you mentioned xiao li...
R u sure you haven't done her before?
There was an episode from FRIENDS where Joey dated a girl he was sure he did before. Only he didn't remember, and the girl also didn't remember. His friends joked how "slutty" he was, and he wondered how she could've done so many guys as to forget him.
Anyhow, u gotta teach her, man! Give her pimp-daddy-O advice and teach her how to succeed at SWL. Don't they get SEAJ-points redeemable for cell phones (haha,cheap shot) when their services improve?
On the subject of massages and footies. Where is the best place for a footie in CP and best for a massage - table type.
Hui Hua is expensive, but good massage, i would say average rooms but never seen a cute girl there yet.
Pozolim (across from Miraton) is also expensive (the extras they offer like stupid wraps n such), with average quality.
Virgin i think is a bit cheaper, best massages imho, and an occational cutie -
Are there any cute ones or do the graduate outher venues?
Also and FYI no footsie girls speak english. never found a single one, so if you want to flirt learn mandarin.
At the outbeer BBQ tents in CP, near the Clipper hotel, you can get beer for 3, 5 or 8 rmb for a large bottle. The 3 and 5 rmb bottles taste virtually the same. The 8 rmb one is different because it's a draft beer.
http://paper.sznews.com/szdaily/20090612/ca2914737.htm
Fake beer workshopshut down
2009年06月12日 08:41 Shenzhen Daily
A WORKSHOP relabeling cheap beer with well-known brand labels was recently shut down by law enforcement authorities in Shajing, Bao’an District.
At least 1,000 cartons of the beer, bearing the labels of Tsingtao, Kingway and Pearl River, as well as relabeled mineral water and soft drinks, were seized at the 500-square-meter workshop concealed in a hardware factory in Ma’anshan No. 2 Industrial Park in Shajing, the law enforcement team from the Shajing Subdistrict said.
Law enforcement officers acted on information provided by a man identified only as Ah Lin, Thursday’s Bao’an Daily reported.
More than 10 workers were capping and labeling bottles when the workshop was raided, the report said.
“It’s been very hot recently, so sales have increased dramatically. At peak time, more than 1,000 cartons of beer — 12,000 bottles — could be sold in a day,” said Ah Lin.
“They bought beer from Fujian Province for 12.3 yuan (US$1.80) per 12-bottle carton and sold it to wholesalers for 25 yuan per carton. The wholesalers can sell the beer to customers for 40 yuan a carton, realizing a huge profit.”
SE Asia Joe
06-12-09, 08:01
Once they turn into a WG, and certainly after they have been for a while, it's doubtful whether the BF-GF relationship actually still exists...........
The girls who are recent arrivals (few days, maybe a few weeks) in CP almost always don't have a local BF yet. And yes, you can tell by their attitude that they don't have one. If nothing else, than them not threathening to sick their BF and his buddies on you in case of a dispute.........
Which brings me to the next point, no "boyfriend" that these girls meet in CP is a real BF in the traditional sense. Much more pimp than BF. The girls ain't that naive. Or if they were, they don't stay naive very long, cause they can see the situation for themselves, and talk to other girls about their experiences........
So do WGs in CP have BFs? It is my believe that the majority of BBS and KTV girls have one (once they are settled in). It's a matter of survival, to deal with customers, other competing girls, robbers on the street, other pimps/BFs.
Wadman Wadman Wadman - you're so cynical!!
Whilst I of course agree that some gals would have BF's as a matter of survival/help to solve problems - I seriously doubt that it would be the majority. NO WAY, I say. The ones you label as being "not so naive" are smart enough to understand that they don't need an actual BF (to whom she gives most of her $$ to) to deal with "situations." And what makes you think that these gals are not capable of handling situations all by themselves? You've seen yourself how some of these gals can be; its so easy for them to enlist "help" quite instantly as there are so many "sharks" cruising WG areas like CP ready to step in at the drop of a hat.
I would rather say that quite a lot of WG's do have BF's in the traditional sense - at least strictly in their own mind BUT NOT in the mind of the BF! These gals are all alone, lonely and starving for a resemblance of warmth - and these cockroaches are there to provide it. And she in turn sacrifices everything for her man.
Then there are the BF's who actually prey on their gals, using a choice or combination of threats, extortion, drugs, gambling, high living etc etc. And these gals are such suckers for all this.
.Mainland Chinese people don't tend to break up formally, so it's a relationship in name only. They just drift apart and stop calling/seeing each other. For my first couple of (real) GFs that I had in China, I did a formal western-style breakup, to have closure, not leaving things hanging, etc. I must say the breakups were more trouble than they were worth, I am doing things the Chinese way now (this is China after all).
Oh Wadman - I can just see it all..... you slinking away, not picking up your phone, getting drunk (you drink now????!!) whilst wondering if to go back to her or not, beating in your chest whilst imagining "her" screwing and blowing her BF now. Painful.... very painful!! Muahahah!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-12-09, 08:13
Below, on ur original post, you mentioned xiao li...
R u sure you haven't done her before?
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Jeez Brucie - you figure there's only one xiao Li or A Li in CP??!! And no - I haven't done "That" A Li since you had her - she's all yours! BTW - I saw her again couple days ago Wednesday - and MAN - she's really looking more and more "the part" these days ain't she?
And what's this - you woke up at 4, did a Yalan gal and then went ahead and did TWO Oil massages?? Wassamatter with you?? You ain't greasy enuff??
And you say one of them was at the Clipper?? Man.... last time I checked out the Clipper about a month or so ago, the gals there were truly "grotesque" in the words of our friend. Please tell me if the quality of the stock has improved.
Also, I would think that the majority of guys going over to the Clipper Sauna ain't there to get a Veggie massage and that its pretty well understood that anybody showing up there is there to get the full service. Fact is - anybody here would like to chime in about the wisdom or even the availability of Veggie saunas at Full service saunas in CP? Oh I know that there are "dual" saunas" in other places - but I hardly hear of any in CP. Am I correct?? Or is it that I've always only done full service anytime I go to a CP sauna - and thus my singular impression.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-12-09, 08:20
At the outbeer BBQ tents in CP, near the Clipper hotel, you can get beer for 3, 5 or 8 rmb for a large bottle. The 3 and 5 rmb bottles taste virtually the same. The 8 rmb one is different because it's a draft beer.
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errrr...... you're 100% sure that the RMB8 beers are genuine - right?!
Fact is, you're 100% sure that the RMB 20, 30 or even 40 beer at the KTV's, discos etc are genuine right?
Take it from me - high price ain't no guarantee against fakes in China or anywhere! So hell, since we all don't know anyways, might as well spend RMB 3 instead of RMB 8 for a "who the hell knows if fake or not" bottle of beer. Agree?
SEAJ
Ps. come to think of it - this is much like why a RMB 150-200 BBS gal is a better deal than a 500-800 KTV gal - one can never be sure about the "quality' until after the fact, no matter how much it costs!! And on top of that, KTV wastes so much time!! BBS gals - if no good, throw 'em out and replace immediately!!
SE Asia Joe
06-12-09, 08:28
On the subject of massages and footies. Where is the best place for a footie in CP and best for a massage - table type.
Hui Hua is expensive, but good massage, i would say average rooms but never seen a cute girl there yet.
Pozolim (across from Miraton) is also expensive (the extras they offer like stupid wraps n such), with average quality.
Virgin i think is a bit cheaper, best massages imho, and an occational cutie -
Are there any cute ones or do the graduate outher venues?
Also and FYI no footsie girls speak english. never found a single one, so if you want to flirt learn mandarin.
Good God Freepeaks - you're sounding like a newbie!! The best place for a.....???!!
It's all a subjective matter - plus more importantly, chemistry between you and the particular gal you chose. You could be at "supposedly the best" joint but if the gal don't click with you and your whims - she ain't gonna click period!
On top of that you KNOW that there are different kinds of footies and massages and saunas, offering different services/treatments/gals - it all depends on what you want.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-12-09, 08:30
I thought Dragon D already has this type service in Shanghai. Maybe he can expand to all around China and sell franchises!
Keep safe.
BJXB
Is Dragon D still operating? How well is he doing? does he do anything else besides guiding ISG mongers? Just curious.
Perhaps Dragon D himself could answer??!
Yooooohoooooo.............. Dragon...... Give us all a shout!!
SEAJ
Good God Freepeaks - you're sounding like a newbie!! The best place for a.....???!!
It's all a subjective matter - plus more importantly, chemistry between you and the particular gal you chose. You could be at "supposedly the best" joint but if the gal don't click with you and your whims - she ain't gonna click period!
SEAJ
blah - youre just angry bout the Nokia comment. I was just curious if anyone else prefers a particular footsie. I happen not to like the HH or pozilim because both are pricier and not as nice as you'd expect for their price. you can easily get a regular massage at a sauna if you ask for a girl that can massage. heck you kno that you can get a massage girl at a BBS if you ask for ones with massage experience. actually had a great massage that way. even had a pop and massage from night market that was great.
just burnt out on the very average footie service recently looking for a change. I guess the oil would be interesting.
Jettsetter
06-12-09, 20:29
Yes there are services in a few places around the world. There are for people who don't want to read the forum or are too busy. These guys have deep pockets. Classified ad threads in ISG around the world are for these guys. Russian is a good example and has advertising on ISG. In China there is Dragon D in Shanghai. Dragon D might get into trouble soon because of the crack downs for the world expo 2010. He should lay low or be extremely cautious until after the expo IMHO. Jackson should charge these guys a fee if he doesn't already.
Way back when, in the 2000-2001 time frame when I first started mongering, I went to Hainan on my own and invested in the services of Lily who was a late 20's early 30's guide who advertised being a guide for about 300-400 rmb per day. She was a local who spoke a bit of english - enough to guide guys around.
At that time, I thought it was a good bargain for me, because I didn't know my way around. She booked the hotel for me, at a cheaper rate, found BBS's and negotiated the "going rate" - although I think she pocketed a little (well I know she did), and took me around to visit various places.
I certainly wouldn't have found many of these places without her, as Hainan at the time was not a mecca for this stuff, although there was still fun to be had. We even went to a little soapy in the middlee of the island on the way to Sanya where I picked up a gal who stayed with me for like 4 days..
So to make a long story short, I can see the value in paying someone a few hundred RMB per day to guide you around and do all your translating and negotiating if you didn't know what was up and needed some help/advice.
I recommend that if you have a member show you around, and take his own time out of his schedule to guide you and help you, that the least you can do is buy him a meal or a beer or something. I know too many instances where guys forget that without the guidance and connections of someone like SEAJ or BSD, you'd be hanging out alone in your room...
I'd have to say though... a job like that... that'd be a pretty fun job ! :)
a P*SSY Guide... I'd like to put that on my next resume.
-Jett
Yes, I remember Lily well back in the good old days in Hainan. She would charge 400rmb per day to take up to 4 guys around for the day. This would only come out to 100rmb per person. Usually you would only need to hire her for 1 day but she does get kick back from the restaurants and hotels.
Hainan is very difficult if you don't speak Chinese and you would need a guide since not much information was available back then.
In the old days (10 years ago), Hainan would put CP to shame with over 6000 girls gathered at 1 location all screaming and trying to go with you. It was dangerous because the guys would be mobbed by all the girls trying to get you to pick them but they would leave you alone once you made your choice.
I really miss the old days now Hainan City is just like any other city except with a beach.
OldAsiaHand
06-13-09, 07:11
blah - youre just angry bout the Nokia comment. I was just curious if anyone else prefers a particular footsie. I happen not to like the HH or pozilim because both are pricier and not as nice as you'd expect for their price. you can easily get a regular massage at a sauna if you ask for a girl that can massage. heck you kno that you can get a massage girl at a BBS if you ask for ones with massage experience. actually had a great massage that way. even had a pop and massage from night market that was great.
just burnt out on the very average footie service recently looking for a change. I guess the oil would be interesting.
Freepeaks,
I am not aware of a real massage place in CP. You can pretty much figure that most of the places are staffed by untrained or on-the-job trained masseuses. The more extra services available the worse the massage.
In order to get a proper massage, you need to go to a place staffed by highly trained (2+ years) or medically trained masseuses. There are a couple of these in GZ. A standard 70 minute footie starts at 88 RMB. An hour body massage is 120.
That said, although it is pricier, I have had pretty good luck most of the times I've been to Pozilim. Until you find a good regular masseuse, a lot depends on the luck of the draw. Unfortunately, the regualr one I had at Pozilim quit and I have not been back since.
Just my POV.
OAH
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in the old days (10 years ago), hainan would put cp to shame with over 6000 girls gathered at 1 location all screaming and trying to go with you. it was dangerous because the guys would be mobbed by all the girls trying to get you to pick them but they would leave you alone once you made your choice.
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wow, it must have been a wonderful place. it sounds like one of my dreams of getting mobbed and raped by 6000 girls, like being a rock or movie star.
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So to make a long story short, I can see the value in paying someone a few hundred RMB per day to guide you around and do all your translating and negotiating if you didn't know what was up and needed some help/advice.
I recommend that if you have a member show you around, and take his own time out of his schedule to guide you and help you, that the least you can do is buy him a meal or a beer or something. I know too many instances where guys forget that without the guidance and connections of someone like SEAJ or BSD, you'd be hanging out alone in your room...
Most guys you met the first time on ISG are great and fun to be with. I heard once meeting, some become buddies for life. On the other hand, I think 1 out of 5 you find someone you don't want to hangout after the first meeting, too many hangups, a bully, like to belittle you etc. I posted other reasons in another post. They just ruin it for everyone else.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=891358&postcount=671
If a newbie is coming, IMHO it best to find some info or someone else that knows him like a referral. Who is this guy from Mars Colony? He's coming this weekend. Does anyone know him ? Hey, I just read his post from Mars and he loves to play in Venus. What's his view of Venus and Mars.
Oh, I don't live nor work in China....and this is just my stupid opinion about being a private tour guide.
Playboy2000
06-13-09, 11:31
On the subject of massages and footies. Where is the best place for a footie in CP and best for a massage - table type.
Hui Hua is expensive, but good massage, i would say average rooms but never seen a cute girl there yet.
Pozolim (across from Miraton) is also expensive (the extras they offer like stupid wraps n such), with average quality.
Virgin i think is a bit cheaper, best massages imho, and an occational cutie -
Are there any cute ones or do the graduate outher venues?
Also and FYI no footsie girls speak english. never found a single one, so if you want to flirt learn mandarin.
Actually, last summer at Pozolim I had a footy girl who spoke passable English. She spent a night with me when she got off work. But I think she was rare find. She was the only footie girl I ever met who spoke some English.
Was at the Hui Hua SN the other day.
I went in at 11:20 pm or so. That should be a busy time. There's two choices of rooms: small at 230 or so, and larger at 260 or so. Can't really remember. But I chose the larger one.
I sat down and the manageress asked me what girl I liked. I told her I'd like to check out the lineup first. Was quoted 300/400/500 rmb. Fine, bring em in. First lineup was weak. Second was equally weak. Kinda laughable. Then comes in the 400 lineup. They wore the see through-net-stocking overall. Nice tits, but not so pretty face. Pass. Show me more 400's. Manageress told me there was no more. Those were the only 3. I snickered. You gotta be kidding me. Fine, bring in the 500's. Was shown a lineup of 5 taller girls. Decent, but they didn't catch my eye/heart/fancy. Geez.
At this point, the manageress asked me where I was from, what I'd like, if I've ever been to a CP SN. I told her my answers and when I told her that I frequented Virgin SN, she gave slander that the girls are snotty and the managers are impatient. Not true, I told her. Been there twice and had two knockout experiences. The manageress was one of the friendliest and although I didn't tell the HH manageress, but the Virgin one allowed me to see over 8 lineups without being "impatient."
Anyhow, she told me that there no more 500's. So for the time I was there, I was shown 3 girls priced at 400 rmb and 5 girls priced at 500 rmb. What a letdown.
Was shown more girls on the 300 range. two more lineups. The quality is poor. I could see the manageress getting impatient. I can understand if the SN is busy and all the pretty girls have been selected, but you can't blame me if the remaining selections are just unacceptable for my eyes, right?
Next lineup had a skinny (OK...now we're talkin) and decent looking girl. Put her on "reserve." Show me one more lineup, and if that last lineup fails, I'll pick her. No brainer, Hui Hua SN that night SUCKED. So got the reserve girl.
She suggested double fly. Coolness. Bring in her "friend." Saw her friend, rejected in less than a second. Bring in another "friend" Saw her already, so politely refused. I'll just go with the one I picked.
Room was ok. I liked Virgin SN 's room better (it costs about 100 rmb more). The shower had a "side" shower spray. Not that impressive. Virgin and Clipper has that seat where you can sit and girl gives you a BJ in shower. Not in HH. Just showering spray. Virgin and Clipper also have that Steam room if you choose to use it. HH didn't. No in-shower BJ from the girl at HH.
Got to bed and got a good SN experience. Did quite a lot, but again, the Virgin SN did a few steps more. The BBBJ at Virgin was more fun as well.
I don't know if I should blame myself. We chatted quite a bit and time flew by really really quick. She was posing with her hair in different styles and it was like playing with a GF. She's really very very pretty. I am humbled to say that she's one of the prettiest girls I've done in my life. Big eyes, full lips, beautiful nose, great tits, and a pleasant and fun attitude.
The sex was good, the BBBJ was good, and the SN stuff was good. Yes she did anal rimming and yes she inserted toe into pussy. Bottom line is, two very satisfying pops and lots of GFE and plenty of kissing.
300 for her.
260 (or so) to the house (Hui Hua).
I highly recommend this girl, but the SN I would not really recommend. I'm sorry, but the selection I saw was terrible (in my opinion).
Fast Eddie 48
06-13-09, 23:31
Yes, I remember Lily well back in the good old days in Hainan. She would charge 400rmb per day to take up to 4 guys around for the day. This would only come out to 100rmb per person. Usually you would only need to hire her for 1 day but she does get kick back from the restaurants and hotels.
Hainan is very difficult if you don't speak Chinese and you would need a guide since not much information was available back then.
In the old days (10 years ago), Hainan would put CP to shame with over 6000 girls gathered at 1 location all screaming and trying to go with you. It was dangerous because the guys would be mobbed by all the girls trying to get you to pick them but they would leave you alone once you made your choice.
I really miss the old days now Hainan City is just like any other city except with a beach.CSUN213,
No just Hanian 10 yr ago place like Guangzhou,Shenzhen ,CP and Shanghai are much better than now quality and quanity ,for all you newbie that think mongering in china is heaven now ,you should have been here 10 yr ago .
Fast Eddie 48
wow, it must have been a wonderful place. it sounds like one of my dreams of getting mobbed and raped by 6000 girls, like being a rock or movie star.
it was great. i only found out about the red lake place in haikou for about 1 year before they shut it down. some reporter from 60 minutes had a hidden camera. chinese government was stating that they are going to shut down hainan after the 60 minute program. no one believed it but after a year, they did shut it down. now hainan city is just another chinese city.
Bob Builder
06-14-09, 18:00
Most guys you met the first time on ISG are great and fun to be with. I heard once meeting, some become buddies for life. On the other hand, I think 1 out of 5 you find someone you don't want to hangout after the first meeting, too many hangups, a bully, like to belittle you etc. I posted other reasons in another post. They just ruin it for everyone else.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=891358&postcount=671
If a newbie is coming, IMHO it best to find some info or someone else that knows him like a referral. Who is this guy from Mars Colony? He's coming this weekend. Does anyone know him ? Hey, I just read his post from Mars and he loves to play in Venus. What's his view of Venus and Mars.
Oh, I don't live nor work in China....and this is just my stupid opinion about being a private tour guide.
I do things in the exact opposite way and wouldn't even consider taking anyone anon that I met on the web mongering. Sounds like too much trouble to me. I only monger with guys I know well as normal buddies first and don't need their hand held. Don't take this the wrong way but are you that hard up for friends to go mongering with that you need the risk of the additional problems that you might encounter. After all there are lots of people you know that you wouldn't want to know about your hobby, so why would you let someone you know nothing about into such a big secret.
Just for instance, I knew a dickhead who knew one of my other buddies, who was a regular monger. When we had gatherings when his wife was around, the dickhead used to enjoy giving him a hard time by asking him about his trips to Macau and China in front of his wife.
Does the ego trip of being big brother monger to a newbie outweigh the hassle? Then again the same can be said of posting here, I suppose.
While I think the LE have easier ways to catch mongers if they really want to, what about the occasional posts you get here from guys wanting illegal drugs.
Hey 3-way - you're that guy with the pre-wedding bachelor trip last year right? Since I recall you writing up some good posts to report your excursion....
If you're arriving midnight in shenzhen - I'd advise you strongly NOT to try to get to CP the same night. Things ain't all that safe these days - and even locals are quite reluctant to take taxis - especially the pirate taxis - on long, lonely and dark rides (you'd need at least 90 minutes SZ airport to CP)
And chances are that if you try to get a taxi from SZ to CP, you'd most likely get "sold" to a taxi at the SZ border which is returning to CP. This is a common practice and let me tell you, you SHOULD be scared when this happens as your original taxi driver will just sell you to whoever (legit as well as pirate taxis) comes up with the highest bid. Your original taxi driver don't care a dime what happens to you after he's already sold you off.
SEAJHey SEAJ,
Yea yea. E good buddy of mine did contemplate his marriage plans after the trip but eventually went through with it. We were talkin about the trip sometime back with the boys again and some of those that didn't come on that trip decided that they wanted to make a trip, so here I am, making a trip down to CP sometime July.
Thanks for the tip seaj, now it seems I'd need to find a good and dependable taxi/charter into CP. Anyone knw of any good ones?
OldAsiaHand
06-15-09, 03:44
I do things in the exact opposite way and wouldn't even consider taking anyone anon that I met on the web mongering. Sounds like too much trouble to me. I only monger with guys I know well as normal buddies first and don't need their hand held. Don't take this the wrong way but are you that hard up for friends to go mongering with that you need the risk of the additional problems that you might encounter. After all there are lots of people you know that you wouldn't want to know about your hobby, so why would you let someone you know nothing about into such a big secret.
Just for instance, I knew a dickhead who knew one of my other buddies, who was a regular monger. When we had gatherings when his wife was around, the dickhead used to enjoy giving him a hard time by asking him about his trips to Macau and China in front of his wife.
Does the ego trip of being big brother monger to a newbie outweigh the hassle? Then again the same can be said of posting here, I suppose.
While I think the LE have easier ways to catch mongers if they really want to, what about the occasional posts you get here from guys wanting illegal drugs.
I used to be far more generous being a "big brother monger" to newbies. I used to get so many PMs from newbies wanting my advice or wanting to hook-up when they visit China. Too many times, I would set aside the time to meet them and they failed to show or even call to let me know. I reckon many newbies are afraid that they will not be able to maneuver in the P4P environment in China before they arrive. If they figure it out themselves, they just blow you off. Burned too many times, I stopped answering the PMs unless they are from Senior Members with a long history of contributions to the board in other places.
That said, I have made some very good friends from this board. These mongers share the same secret and understand the rules. As you say, there are many people you know socially or in business that you cannot share our hobby with. There was one dickhead husband of one of my wife's friends who I half jokingly mentioned 100 RMB service as we passed a BBS one time. Later, he told my wife about the conversation. It is more fun and safer to monger with others. Especially in some of the areas that I venture into in China. And, many of these guys reciprocate on their home turf which is very helpful.
Just my POV.
OAH
Chang Ping
06-15-09, 05:49
Ps.come to think of it. This is much like why a RMB 150-200 BBS gal is a better deal than a 500-800 KTV gal. One can never be sure about the "quality' until after the fact, no matter how much it costs! SEAJ
Not sure I agree on KTV being a waste of time. I guess to each his own BUT I want to "ride" on your comment about the quality of KTV vs BBS gal here a bit.
Some random thoughts. And the usual qualifiers applies ie my own personal opinion yada, yada, yada, etcetera.
1 Its become my side hobby to search out "unlpolished gems" from BBS. Groom them a bit and take them to KTVs if they make the mark. OK I can already see comments like "why the hell would you want to do that for? " Lets not get into that discussion here and let me finish my story ok?
There was one particular gal I took. No makeup. Tall, skinny with legs that went on forever, and white as a sheet. This last attribute would be considered by many as truly desirable. Only problem I saw was her dressing. Truly awful! You know the typical BBS gal type dressing that tells you she is a BBS gal from as far as the eye can see. But I could tell that with a little work, she would be stunning!
Well took her I did, had a quick ST before deciding that I would keep her for the next couple of days. Oh just before and during the ST, I messed around with her to suss out her attitude (which was very positive and accommodating. Read. Do my every bidding) and that led to among other things, her learning the fine art of BBBJ, DFK plus shaving off her dreadful armpit hair and trimming her bush (did not shave it off entirely).
Before the evening at Prince KTV with buddies, I sent her back home with specific instructions on what to wear (eg proper dress and heels, not jeans and sneakers) and took her to get some proper make up and manicure done to my spec (not the garish some fresh off the farm type, thick cake of foundation panda eyes combi).
To cut a long story short, she was visually the envy of my buddies that evening and could hold her own with the best gals that Prince had. So much so that the GM there wanted to recruit her on the spot but I managed to fend that off.
So in dollars terms what did that mean to me? 300rmb savings over a KTV gal per nite. Multiply that by 3 = 900 rmb for that particular trip. She's happy. I'm happier
2 I know of more than a few folks who would NOT dream of taking a BBS gal. The perception is that they are not as "clean" as KTV gals or are not as "good". Whatever that means. Well all I can say is, stick to that perception.
3 I have had more than once incident where I had done a BBS gal in the afternoon for ST for 200 rmb and thereafter we go to Jiayi KTV together where she reports in to work via the rear staff entrance and meets me moments later in the large hall line up only to be picked up by other guys who would have to pay min 500 rmb ST or 800rmb overnite!
Dan Hawaii
06-15-09, 13:18
Forgot to report that I stayed at the HH hotel. One day I guess I forgot to lock my room safe. Got home later that night and found a note (in my room) that stated they locked it for me. I called to try to get it open, but the manager was off for the day and I had to call back the next morning. I had around $4000 usd in there and I was really worried that my cash was going to be gone.
Called the next morning and the manager came up and opened it for me. Everything was untouched and all my cash was still there. Apparently the maid found it open, called the manager , who eventually locked it.
Just want to give props to the HH staff for being so honest. Tipped the manager 100 rmb, which she refused, but I was more persistant and just left it on her desk. And tipped the maid about the same. Just wanted to show them my deep and sincere appreciation.
PS. And a lot of the staff speaks english (especially the front desk staff), even the hotel phone operator would bring on an english speaking person pretty quickly.
I was with two other ISG guys in his hotel room in CP. The safe was locked and he wanted to use it so he called the front desk. A guy came in to open his safe. The guy did not bother to look inside and quickly walked out the door. The ISG guy went over and found about 20,000 RMB in the safe and a passport. The funny thing he knew the guy and called him about it. Apparently, his friend stayed at the same room a few days ago. I don't know if he got a reward for finding his money and passport and returning it but he should. I think because of cameras they know who goes into your room if anything is missing.
On the other hand, there was a report ( ISG post ) of a large sum of money in a safe at the hotel next to the Amazon KTV and it disappeared. There wasn’t much help from the hotel to find out what happened to his money.
What I don’t like in some hotels in China safes are not bolted down. The whole safe can be rolled out and taken.
Member #1344
06-15-09, 16:11
Is there any action near the Hyatt Regency Dongguan near Song Shan Lake? I'm going to be there for work later on this week and on a map it looks really far from CP so I don't want to trek that far. Any suggestions for Saunas? I'd prefer not to take a girl back to the hotel and bump into a co-worker along the way.
Thanks.
Sukhumvitter
06-15-09, 16:51
I went to the ShaTou Hotel KTV in ChangAn last week. (ShaTou = "sand head" LOL)
Excellent experience!
Great line up and about 6 guys all picking stunners. Mine was a cute 18 year old with a tiny waist, nice firm B-cups (no sag), and a playful attitude.
All the girls were willing to be molested (LOL) in the room by any of the guys and were not shy at all (hands could go everywhere). If you met a girl going to the restroom while you were coming out, you could have a grab and a squeeze and she'd just smile at you and play along.
The best was when the MaMaSan came in about 11 PM and gave the order and all the girls jumped up and stripped off their clothes (buck naked) and danced around. This was great to see the goodies that you'd been ogling all night on your buddy's girl. LOL
The pricing was the standard 2-5-8 and a medium size room for 6 guys came out to about 230 RMB each (total around 1400 RMB). I stayed at the same hotel that night (not so nice...barely a 3-star, but fine for one night.) for 188 RMB. The taxi back to Shenzhen was 200 RMB the next morning.
I also poked my head into the sauna on the second floor (KTV is on the main floor... same as the hotel reception desk) and saw some stunners there as well. Pricing was about 400 - 600 (not sure) but I bet they get nasty, given the behavior of the KTV girls! LOL
Have fun.
Sukhumvitter
06-15-09, 16:55
I "discovered" a way to get to places in Dongguang from Nanshan district in Shenzhen by taxi.
There are usually two or three Dongguang taxis on Nanhai Blvd just north of Shenzhen University’s main gate. I never noticed them before my friend pointed them out to me. Now every time I pass I see 1 – 3 blue Dongguang taxis sitting there. You can take a regular Shenzhen taxi to that location (most taxi drivers seem to know about this spot) and then you can change to the Dongguang taxi. They won’t use the meter but you can negotiate the price with them. The Shenzhen taxis often won't go to Dongguang locations because they don't know the area so well.
From their location at the University to the ShaTou Hotel in ChangAn, they wanted 90 RMB. A Dongguang taxi back to Shenzhen from ChangAn will ask for double this (about 180 RMB) because they will “be coming back empty”, but actually they don’t always come back empty. They just wait for a fare back into Dongguang from Shenzhen. There must be spots like this in Futian and Louhu as well.
Anyway, it’s another option for how to get from Shenzhen to ChangAn.
Also, in the hotel there was a sign with some bus info for going to Huangguang and/or LouHu (prices were about 50 RMB one-way) but I couldn’t figure out the details which were written in Chinese.
Have fun!
Red Rock II
06-15-09, 17:32
I have been reading the posts in Donggan thread for quite while, but I did not realize that I missed a lot of details until I actually got the area.
Based on the information received from the board, I settled in MayFlower Hotel. It is a very nice hotel with 4 star room and 3 star price. I took a nice nap in the afternoon while it was raining outside. About 6 PM I walked out the hotel with confidence thinking that I would definitely find what I was looking for. But, now, almost midnight, I am still a lonely man sitting in front of the computer typping this report.
I did find the KTV places mentioned here such as Jiayi, SWL. Since I am solo monger, I did not try those places. I was walking along SWL Rd which is a street in front of MayFlower, passed Manhatten, Clipper, and SWL. Then I turned right on the street that SWL Rd ran into perpendicularly, and walked toward to Yalan Hotel. I think this is the famous Yalan area. I was planning to find BBS and took one back to my hotel.
After walking for more than an hour in the area, I finally realized that BBS are actually not "shops" like the ones that you will find along the steets or alleys in other cities of China. You have to follow a tout to an unmarked place to see their stock. Those touts are typically midage women hanging around on the street conners. I was approached by those touts several times while I was walking in the area. But based on "Never follow a tout" IGS rule, I did not dare to follow them. I have to pretend that I am not interested in girls to shake them off. Now, I am thinking, "Never follow a tout" rule may have an exception in CP area. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I am thinking of going to nightmarket since it is passed midnight now, but I am not sure what nightmarket is, is it a street corner? or it is a house. Am I suppose to find girls there or am I suppost to find touts and then follow them to somewhere else to find the girls?
I am not so interested in geting someone from SN or KTV because I have had experiences in those places. What I am fansinated about CP is its BBS. But as you can tell, I got lost in the area.
I desperately need some help.
RR
Jettsetter
06-15-09, 18:39
I have been reading the posts in Donggan thread for quite while, but I did not realize that I missed a lot of details until I actually got the area.
Based on the information received from the board, I settled in MayFlower Hotel. It is a very nice hotel with 4 star room and 3 star price. I took a nice nap in the afternoon while it was raining outside. About 6 PM I walked out the hotel with confidence thinking that I would definitely find what I was looking for. But, now, almost midnight, I am still a lonely man sitting in front of the computer typping this report.
I did find the KTV places mentioned here such as Jiayi, SWL. Since I am solo monger, I did not try those places. I was walking along SWL Rd which is a street in front of MayFlower, passed Manhatten, Clipper, and SWL. Then I turned right on the street that SWL Rd ran into perpendicularly, and walked toward to Yalan Hotel. I think this is the famous Yalan area. I was planning to find BBS and took one back to my hotel.
After walking for more than an hour in the area, I finally realized that BBS are actually not "shops" like the ones that you will find along the steets or alleys in other cities of China. You have to follow a tout to an unmarked place to see their stock. Those touts are typically midage women hanging around on the street conners. I was approached by those touts several times while I was walking in the area. But based on "Never follow a tout" IGS rule, I did not dare to follow them. I have to pretend that I am not interested in girls to shake them off. Now, I am thinking, "Never follow a tout" rule may have an exception in CP area. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I am thinking of going to nightmarket since it is passed midnight now, but I am not sure what nightmarket is, is it a street corner? or it is a house. Am I suppose to find girls there or am I suppost to find touts and then follow them to somewhere else to find the girls?
I am not so interested in geting someone from SN or KTV because I have had experiences in those places. What I am fansinated about CP is its BBS. But as you can tell, I got lost in the area.
I desperately need some help.
RR
CP - Yalan, you kind of have to know where to go. Problem is that while we usually do follow a "runner" to get to the legit places because they all want their cut, you don't know which ones are legit and which ones are questionable, because the places you go to are in back of stores, upstairs from the restaurant, etc. And going alone and not knowing where to go is just not a great idea.
My suggestion. Hit up a Sauna at a major hotel. It's not what you are looking for per se, but it'll get you action to tie you over (head to Virgin Sauna) - just get in a taxi, say "Hui Mei Jiu Dien" - and when you get there, look across the street for Virgin Hotel.
Night market comes with the same warning. Unless you know where to go, it's not a great idea to venture on your own. I have been a bunch of times to CP, and I wouldn't venture anywhere where I didn't know was legit (in the monger sense)... too many bad stories...
Good luck.
-Jettsetter
Forgot to report that I stayed at the HH hotel. One day I guess I forgot to lock my room safe. Got home later that night and found a note (in my room) that stated they locked it for me. I called to try to get it open, but the manager was off for the day and I had to call back the next morning. I had around $4000 usd in there and I was really worried that my cash was going to be gone.
I agree with Dan. The hotel is certainly pricier than others but the staff is excellent. You could probably have left the money on the desk and they wouldn't touch it. I think they must pay better here to get this kind of honesty.
Also the business personnel are very good - but do not speak English- and can send a package for you or help you with business needs.
There is nearly always someone who speaks english (there is one bellhop - think he is head bellhop that does) and they can solve a problem in a pinch in case your Mandarin sucks.
even room service food is decent (albeit way expensive) but good in a pinch.
Sauna is great and KTV is also fun. free breakfast is also a bonus.. the bar in the lobby kinda sucks though
There is a difference between a runner and a tout. Touts tend to be relentless, and annoying. Runners just help you find the way, usually just
offer quietly. but hard to trust either.
SWL has a 'bbs' in the ktv area, go in and check it out - rates are same in afternoon. in hotel so it is safe.. Else if you PM me I can send you info on a BBS contact. There are at least 2 locations close to SWL and more by Yalan. It is still dangerous to go alone unless you know where you are going.
You can go to JiaYi and pay a fine to just take a girl and leave, or sit and have a few beers in the main area then leave after 9? (don't remember time)
U can also do this at the Silver Star (across from Yalan) and maybe Yalan too (basically bbs starts before ktv) (they have bbs/ktv room instide)
I wouldn't go to NM alone, it isn't that hard to find but you don't want to walk it alone. You could get a taxi and ask them to drive you there (near the hospital) don't know the Chinese for Night Market though.... if you take a taxi you don't have to leave the car (but take a legitimate taxi) as long as the driver understands what you want. you could also probably get a bellhop to show you the way if you can find one that speaks english - you might have to wait until they are off duty but they usually know the information and wouldn't cross a guest of where they work.
Dan Hawaii
06-15-09, 22:55
I have been reading the posts in Donggan thread for quite while, but I did not realize that I missed a lot of details until I actually got the area.
Based on the information received from the board, I settled in MayFlower Hotel. It is a very nice hotel with 4 star room and 3 star price. I took a nice nap in the afternoon while it was raining outside. About 6 PM I walked out the hotel with confidence thinking that I would definitely find what I was looking for. But, now, almost midnight, I am still a lonely man sitting in front of the computer typping this report.
I did find the KTV places mentioned here such as Jiayi, SWL. Since I am solo monger, I did not try those places. I was walking along SWL Rd which is a street in front of MayFlower, passed Manhatten, Clipper, and SWL. Then I turned right on the street that SWL Rd ran into perpendicularly, and walked toward to Yalan Hotel. I think this is the famous Yalan area. I was planning to find BBS and took one back to my hotel.
After walking for more than an hour in the area, I finally realized that BBS are actually not "shops" like the ones that you will find along the steets or alleys in other cities of China. You have to follow a tout to an unmarked place to see their stock. Those touts are typically midage women hanging around on the street conners. I was approached by those touts several times while I was walking in the area. But based on "Never follow a tout" IGS rule, I did not dare to follow them. I have to pretend that I am not interested in girls to shake them off. Now, I am thinking, "Never follow a tout" rule may have an exception in CP area. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I am thinking of going to nightmarket since it is passed midnight now, but I am not sure what nightmarket is, is it a street corner? or it is a house. Am I suppose to find girls there or am I suppost to find touts and then follow them to somewhere else to find the girls?
I am not so interested in geting someone from SN or KTV because I have had experiences in those places. What I am fansinated about CP is its BBS. But as you can tell, I got lost in the area.
I desperately need some help.
RR
For the Yalan BBS, just go to the swan lake hotel ....there is a big bbs in the hotel. Another landmark is the Yalan KTV, there is a bbs in there also. These places are hard to miss and are pretty safe to enter. All the other BBS are kind of sketchy and hard to explain.
Big Swingin Dave
06-16-09, 01:44
Hi Threeway, I live in CP so any info you need in regards to getting here from anywhere in South China, just let me know. PM me and I will give you my email address.
BSD
Hey SEAJ,
Yea yea. E good buddy of mine did contemplate his marriage plans after the trip but eventually went through with it. We were talkin about the trip sometime back with the boys again and some of those that didn't come on that trip decided that they wanted to make a trip, so here I am, making a trip down to CP sometime July.
Thanks for the tip seaj, now it seems I'd need to find a good and dependable taxi/charter into CP. Anyone knw of any good ones?
Red Rock II
06-16-09, 03:59
Thanks, Dan and FreePeaks! From what you just told me, I think I got the pictures of BBS in Yalan area:
1. BBS that associated with KTV. Basically it is an area where you pick up girls to either sit/drink/sing with you in a KTV room or go out with you. I guess the price is 2/5/8 or something similar. But I am not sure if I have to pay the house if I just pick up a girl and leave. In northen part of china such as Beijing or Changchun where most my activities are, when you go to a KTV, you have to get a KTV room first, then manager will bring lineups of 5 - 6 girls at time. It seems an uncomon practice if you just pick up a girl and left. You are expected to stay there at least for one or two drinks.
2. BBS in alley or upstairs of some kind of stores. To get to thoset places you will need to follow touts/runners. In Beijing, if someone approaches you and asks if you are interested in girls while you are walking on the street, you will consider them as touts (actually they are touts). If you follow them, 95% of time you will be trapped. But in Yalan area, those midage (30 - 40 yrs old) women seems runners based on what I read from the board. The cuts for those runners is 100. The girls about 100 - 150 plus taxi (10 - 20). Lower price does not nesseccerily mean lower quality because some of the high quality girls are new to the area and have not find the way around those KTV places yet. However, it is quite risky if you go to those places alone. Those places also referred as Tea House in some other cities.
I have to go to Guangzhou today. I may stop by CP again on my way back to ShenZhen. Should I stay in SWL hotel since it is closer to the action? MayFlower is a really nice hotel. It is very quiet, but I am not sure it is girl friendly.
I can tell CP is good place for mongering. But it will take some time to get to know the place, especially for a first time visitor.
Thanks again, brothers!
RR
Fast Eddie 48
06-16-09, 04:43
Forgot to report that I stayed at the HH hotel. One day I guess I forgot to lock my room safe. Got home later that night and found a note (in my room) that stated they locked it for me. I called to try to get it open, but the manager was off for the day and I had to call back the next morning. I had around $4000 usd in there and I was really worried that my cash was going to be gone.
Called the next morning and the manager came up and opened it for me. Everything was untouched and all my cash was still there. Apparently the maid found it open, called the manager , who eventually locked it.
Just want to give props to the HH staff for being so honest. Tipped the manager 100 rmb, which she refused, but I was more persistant and just left it on her desk. And tipped the maid about the same. Just wanted to show them my deep and sincere appreciation.
PS. And a lot of the staff speaks english (especially the front desk staff), even the hotel phone operator would bring on an english speaking person pretty quickly.Dan,
You lucky dog have so much cash laying around, I have a HK friend got his wallet pick 2 yr ago in CP, they got his hotel room card that have room number on it, they search his room take his watch and his luggage and the whole safe with all his cash and cell phone inside and left the hotel with it.
He file a report with the police dpt in CP, even the police see the security camera and arrest the guy a few time before that enter his room but they never did any arrest after that and the hotel is no help on security, my friend also have to paid for the safe 1600 rmb and 40 rmb for the room card on top of what he losed.
Fast Eddie 48
Dan Hawaii
06-16-09, 05:21
Thanks, Dan and FreePeaks! From what you just told me, I think I got the pictures of BBS in Yalan area:
1. BBS that associated with KTV. Basically it is an area where you pick up girls to either sit/drink/sing with you in a KTV room or go out with you. I guess the price is 2/5/8 or something similar. But I am not sure if I have to pay the house if I just pick up a girl and leave. In northen part of china such as Beijing or Changchun where most my activities are, when you go to a KTV, you have to get a KTV room first, then manager will bring lineups of 5 - 6 girls at time. It seems an uncomon practice if you just pick up a girl and left. You are expected to stay there at least for one or two drinks.
RR
This is a straight up ktv and usually starts around 6:30pm. This is not a BBS. And yes you either get a room (atleast with a buddy or 2) or go to the commmon bar area (if solo) for a few drinks.
2. BBS in alley or upstairs of some kind of stores. To get to thoset places you will need to follow touts/runners. In Beijing, if someone approaches you and asks if you are interested in girls while you are walking on the street, you will consider them as touts (actually they are touts). If you follow them, 95% of time you will be trapped. But in Yalan area, those midage (30 - 40 yrs old) women seems runners based on what I read from the board. The cuts for those runners is 100. The girls about 100 - 150 plus taxi (10 - 20). Lower price does not nesseccerily mean lower quality because some of the high quality girls are new to the area and have not find the way around those KTV places yet. However, it is quite risky if you go to those places alone. Those places also referred as Tea House in some other cities.
RR
This is a BBS, and I told you 2 BBS that are in big establishments and are safe to enter....
1. Yalan KTV, during the day, there is a small BBS on the second floor. KTV not open.
2. Swan Lake Hotel, easy to find and is one of the biggest BBS in CP. Again, on second floor.
BBS from 2:30pm to 6pm is the best times to go.
Dan Hawaii
06-16-09, 05:26
Dan,
You lucky dog have so much cash laying around, I have a HK friend got his wallet pick 2 yr ago in CP, they got his hotel room card that have room number on it, they search his room take his watch and his luggage and the whole safe with all his cash and cell phone inside and left the hotel with it.
He file a report with the police dpt in CP, even the police see the security camera and arrest the guy a few time before that enter his room but they never did any arrest after that and the hotel is no help on security, my friend also have to paid for the safe 1600 rmb and 40 rmb for the room card on top of what he losed.
Fast Eddie 48
Damn, talk about putting salt on the wound.
Well, I guess the HH hotel is just organized, structured and policed very well. OR I was just plain lucky that my maid on my floor was honest, cause she could have easily have taken the money.
I once left about 600 RMB in the pocket of pants sent to laundry. They returned every rmb, and were sure to inform me that they had not taken any.
The safe though at the Huihua is not bolted down which is a bit disconcerting.
It isn't that heavy either, I could easily carry it out of the hotel in a bag.
If you worry about your hotel card when out, just leave it at the front desk. Tell them you will pick it up later and are going golfing or such. they will hold it.
regarding BBS.
The BBS in Yalan and SWL is a true BBS before, during and after the KTV times there (from 2pm - 6pm bbs, 6pm - 2am bbs/ktv open) You can pay 200 and leave.
Other KTVs have beijing rules for a few drinks, but you can just pay for drinks and leave without taking the drinks. Many require rooms that don't have open areas, and places like HH have a minimum (250?) just for sitting in main area - tried to get a beer once there and they were trying to bring a fruit plate and such stating that there was a minimum. I had my girl argue but we gave up and left for bar across street.
the true bbs' are around yalan and swl but yes can be unnerving and if you don't know the mommie they might harass you and 'lock you in' to choose, or worse if you pick a scammer, you could get locked in and robbed in a room - it has happen 2x we know of. play it safe, go to SWL and have your arms pulled off by the mommies. their quality has been good the past 9 months or so.
I have been reading the posts in Donggan thread for quite while, but I did not realize that I missed a lot of details until I actually got the area.
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After walking for more than an hour in the area, I finally realized that BBS are actually not "shops" like the ones that you will find along the steets or alleys in other cities of China. You have to follow a tout to an unmarked place to see their stock. Those touts are typically midage women hanging around on the street conners. I was approached by those touts several times while I was walking in the area. But based on "Never follow a tout" IGS rule, I did not dare to follow them. I have to pretend that I am not interested in girls to shake them off. Now, I am thinking, "Never follow a tout" rule may have an exception in CP area. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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There were a few reports of guys following mamasans and guys were waiting inside to rob them in Chang Ping. For Yalan BBS, in general the area is safe. I have not heard of any problems there yet, well, except for RAIDS by LE in the Yalan Area. For other areas of CP, watch out.
If you are in a group of about 4 or more, they will not target the group and leave you alone. There is safety in numbers.
If you are alone there are some rules you can try to follow while mongering. It was written by Ace Gallant.
Some are:
1. NO credit/debit card or bring a card with little money to
give them something to bit on.
2. No ID
3. Bring only enough cash to get around.
4. Leave hotel card key and wallet at hotel.
5. Go with a wingman if possible
6. Cheap cell phone
7. Ask for business card. Most setup or crocks don't have business cards
printed. The real BBS shop will have tons of card to pass out. You can
call the number to check.
8. Do were wear or bring expensive jewels, rings, watches etc.
9. Hide you things inside your hotel room like watches, money, computer, before bring back a girl.
10. If caught in a bad situation, you can try One Wing Low's ball kicking technique or was it ball licking technique.
Jettsetter
06-16-09, 16:16
There were a few reports of guys following mamasans and guys were waiting inside to rob them in Chang Ping. For Yalan BBS, in general the area is safe. I have not heard of any problems there yet, well, except for RAIDS by LE in the Yalan Area. Watch out for other areas of CP for danger.
If you are in a group of about 4 or more, they will not target the group and leave you alone. There is safety in numbers.
If you are alone there are some rules you can try to follow while mongering. It was written by Ace Gallant.
Some are:
1. NO credit/debit card or bring a card with little money to
give them something to bit on.
2. No ID
3. Bring only enough cash to get around.
4. Leave hotel card key and wallet at hotel.
5. Go with a wingman if possible
6. Cheap cell phone
7. Ask for business card. Most setup or crocks don't have business cards
printed. The real BBS shop will have tons of card to pass out.
8. Do were wear or bring expensive jewels, rings, watches etc.
9. Hide you things inside your hotel room like watches, money, computer, before bring back a girl.
10. If caught in a bad situation, you can try One Wing Low's ball kicking technique oe was it ball licking technique.
You know, I think the business card idea is a pretty good indication. Never thought about it, but I think that's true.
However, I don't really know how you leave the hotel without your room key... I suppose perhaps hiding your room key in your shoe might not be a bad idea, but I don't know how thorough a bandit would be going through your stuff... Perhaps always leaving it at the front desk might not be a bad thing... I've never been one to go to those extremes, but I guess all it takes is one bad experience to know better.
So i guess if you're going alone BBS shopping and know it, then leaving the key with the front desk might be a great idea.
I've always been a big proponent of hidden safes that you can travel with. look for it online...
However, as we've stated on this board many times, be smart and safe... if you don't know the area, don't just go (although SWL is a sure fire bet and usually pretty good).
Note that someone had said middle aged women - follow them, it's okay, but as you've read in the past, that's exactly who the guys followed when they were beat up. They followed an "attractive" middle aged woman, went upstairs, and got locked in. So i wouldn't bet on the fact that the tout is a woman and middle aged as any indication of safety.
At the end of the day.. best go with someone, not alone if you can help it...
happy hunting
-J
You know, I think the business card idea is a pretty good indication. Never thought about it, but I think that's true.
However, I don't really know how you leave the hotel without your room key. I suppose perhaps hiding your room key in your shoe might not be a bad idea, but I don't know how thorough a bandit would be going through your stuff. Perhaps always leaving it at the front desk might not be a bad thing. I've never been one to go to those extremes, but I guess all it takes is one bad experience to know better.
So I guess if you're going alone BBS shopping and know it, then leaving the key with the front desk might be a great idea.
I've always been a big proponent of hidden safes that you can travel with. Look for it online.
However, as we've stated on this board many times, be smart and safe. If you don't know the area, don't just go (although SWL is a sure fire bet and usually pretty good).
Note that someone had said middle aged women. Follow them, it's okay, but as you've read in the past, that's exactly who the guys followed when they were beat up. They followed an "attractive" middle aged woman, went upstairs, and got locked in. So I wouldn't bet on the fact that the tout is a woman and middle aged as any indication of safety.
At the end of the day. Best go with someone, not alone if you can help it.
Happy hunting
-JProbably means leaving hotel key at the front desk. They also have a safe behind the front desk. I have left some of my valuables there with no problem. They would also provide you a key like they would at any bank safe deposit box that requires both keys to open the box.
One time I brought a SG for takeout and she thought I was videotaping the session through my laptop camera. She walked over to my laptop and waved her hands a few times in front of the screen. I wished I had thought of that earlier as you can hide certain windows discreetly by minimizing. Maybe next time.
I don't think the sex or age of the tout will tell you. The business card thing is good idea an you can call the number right there to make sure it rings.
Of course you could also take the card and have 3-4 sent over to choose, but i think the bbs is about going there.
instead of the front desk, you can simply hide your card in room, and tell front desk later you 'forgot' your key in your room. i accidentally left my card in the room 3 times last trip - that stupid key to turn the lights on thing gets me.
low key idea is that if you do go somewhere, but a glass bottle of something to drink. it would give you one weapon/distraction should you have an issue. good idea late at night if you are walking somewhere you know you shouldn't alone, buy glass bottle. smashing/swinging a bottle can be useful.
as can lit cigarettes.. streetwise tips..
many hotels in china do not have 'under the bed' area. you can lift the bed and put stuff underneath. hard place to search. In HuiHua i thnk rooms have a 'ledge' at top of the room, you can place items up there too.
dont' forget them though.
SE Asia Joe
06-17-09, 10:08
Dan,
You lucky dog have so much cash laying around, I have a HK friend got his wallet pick 2 yr ago in CP, they got his hotel room card that have room number on it, they search his room take his watch and his luggage and the whole safe with all his cash and cell phone inside and left the hotel with it.
He file a report with the police dpt in CP, even the police see the security camera and arrest the guy a few time before that enter his room but they never did any arrest after that and the hotel is no help on security, my friend also have to paid for the safe 1600 rmb and 40 rmb for the room card on top of what he losed.
Fast Eddie 48
Are you serious???? Or am I reading this wrong?
You actually mean that the guy got pick pocketed and whoever pick-pocketed him went to his hotel room and stole his watch, all his cash, his cell phone, all his lugggage AND the whole hotel safe??
And just walked out of the hotel?? And the hotel had the nerve to charge him an extra RMB 1,600 + 40 for the stolen safe and room card??
If it had happened to any of us, I believe that we'd not know whether to cry or to laugh at how ridiculous the whole thing was.
Come to think of it - how was he able to pay for anything if he had everything stolen as you described?? Hell, he even had no cell phone to call anybody for help! Sorry Eddie, but to me this all sounds just a bit too fantastic!!
Which hotel was this?? If true, you gotta make sure that nobody else stays there from now on.
SEAJ
Jaimito Cartero
06-17-09, 22:28
I got in from Hong Kong last night. I had fun with the taxis at the train station, of course. I asked for the meter, and of course, it was on, but not showing any money. They tried to charge me 30 rmb, but for a 3 km trip, it should have been 10 rmb or less, so I stuck with it.
The hotel's cheapest rooms are now 258. So far everything seems quite nice. The rooms are much nicer than I expected. Some of the finishing details in the bathroom are off, but otherwise, almost as nice as my room at the IC in HKG, although no bay view. :)
And it is nice that the ISG isn't blocked from the hotels internet.
What hotel cards have the room number on them? That doesn't sound right. Now if it is a small hotel, in 1-2 hours you could easily check all the doors.
I lost my card once in Hong Kong and raced back to my hotel to change the card and keylock (they change the card code every time they issue) before someone could do this. It would take time to do, but is conceivable.
Jaimito Cartero
06-18-09, 04:05
I don't think that hotels usually do that these days, however, most people keep the card in the jacket issued the hotel, which does have it written on it. This helps keeping the card from getting demagnetized.
What hotel cards have the room number on them? That doesn't sound right. Now if it is a small hotel, in 1-2 hours you could easily check all the doors.
I lost my card once in Hong Kong and raced back to my hotel to change the card and keylock (they change the card code every time they issue) before someone could do this. It would take time to do, but is conceivable.
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-09, 04:15
What hotel cards have the room number on them? That doesn't sound right. Now if it is a small hotel, in 1-2 hours you could easily check all the doors.
I lost my card once in Hong Kong and raced back to my hotel to change the card and keylock (they change the card code every time they issue) before someone could do this. It would take time to do, but is conceivable.Freespeak,
Yes it is a small hotel, I have been to a few hotel in China that got the room number on the room key, it is a stupid idea but I don't think thief will check all room, security and maid will be alert but it is easy for them to just take the small safe hide in luggage and open it later.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-09, 05:07
Are you serious???? Or am I reading this wrong?
You actually mean that the guy got pick pocketed and whoever pick-pocketed him went to his hotel room and stole his watch, all his cash, his cell phone, all his lugggage AND the whole hotel safe??
And just walked out of the hotel?? And the hotel had the nerve to charge him an extra RMB 1,600 + 40 for the stolen safe and room card??
If it had happened to any of us, I believe that we'd not know whether to cry or to laugh at how ridiculous the whole thing was.
Come to think of it - how was he able to pay for anything if he had everything stolen as you described?? Hell, he even had no cell phone to call anybody for help! Sorry Eddie, but to me this all sounds just a bit too fantastic!!
Which hotel was this?? If true, you gotta make sure that nobody else stays there from now on.
SEAJSEAJ,
It is the Hua Yu hotel behind Hui mei ,myself and other ISG member stay there many time and have no problems , yes they have the room number on the room card ,they told my Hk buddy since he is the one that lost the room key he is responsible for anything that is missing in the room,he is a Hongkonger he just contact his buddy to go to cp to get him.
Myself and friend have small thing stolen in 4 star hotel before ,this thing do happen ,maybe next I will stay at the HH hotel like our buddy Dan H ,they got dumb ass maid over there don't even take 4000 usd that is more than their one yr salary I am sure .
SE Asia Joe
06-18-09, 08:13
SEAJ,
It is the Hua Yu hotel behind Hui mei ,myself and other ISG member stay there many time and have no problems , yes they have the room number on the room card ,they told my Hk buddy since he is the one that lost the room key he is responsible for anything that is missing in the room,he is a Hongkonger he just contact his buddy to go to cp to get him.
Myself and friend have small thing stolen in 4 star hotel before ,this thing do happen ,maybe next I will stay at the HH hotel like our buddy Dan H ,they got dumb ass maid over there don't even take 4000 usd that is more than their one yr salary I am sure .
Eddie - you sure it actually happened? To your friend?? And that this guy is not prone to exaggeration??
come on - OK, I can see - sorta - the rationale for the charge for the room key (But RMB 40??? That amount by itself is ridiculous actually) - but RMB1,600 for the safe?? First,I priced safes at the Canton Trade fair and the kind they have at the Hua Yu would max.be US$ 45@ and secondly and more importantly - how can they justify him having to pay for it as he certainly didn't steal it and the hotel is suppossed to be responsible for at least a modicum of security.
And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left??!!
Just really curious/wondering if your buddy really telling it all.
SEAJ
and hence why i prefer to stay at a better place with a higher charge not for the bsd effect, but for the safety or perceived safety of the rooms.
Would you consider the Hui Mei / Hui Hua / Miraton safer than the SWL and Manhattan / Penninsula?
Anyone know what hotels by SWL/Manhattan/Penn have decent safes?
SE Asia Joe
06-18-09, 09:14
and hence why i prefer to stay at a better place with a higher charge not for the bsd effect, but for the safety or perceived safety of the rooms.
Would you consider the Hui Mei / Hui Hua / Miraton safer than the SWL and Manhattan / Penninsula?
Anyone know what hotels by SWL/Manhattan/Penn have decent safes?
Cain't argue with that logic. Also, room rates in China - and CP in particular - is generally so cheap that it really don't matter much for the casual and once a while visitor.
I'ts only the serial mongers amongst us that needs to use hotels for practically half of each year that small differences accumulate and matters.
Having said that Freepeaks - when your time's up, your time's up and it don't matter where you stay! The choice of a hotel's importance is way below that of us mongers always being on the look-out for dangers and to take the necessary steps to secure our own safety.
SEAJ
Jaimito Cartero
06-18-09, 09:48
Most good hotels will have the safe bolted down. This keeps someone from just trading the safe for another one. I just checked mine, and of course it's not bolted down. At least I don't have much in it if it's ripped off. ;)
I got ripped off for about 600 in Peru a few years back, from a 2/3 star hotel that a lot of mongers stayed at. No safes available at all. I raised all hell with the owner, and now he at least offers to bring a safe up to your room if you request it.
I had the breakfast at the Mayflower (or May Flower, if you want it as it's written on all their stuff). Decent, but nothing to write home about. An egg station was the highlight. Probably worth $5 or so, at least to me.
It appears that they have weekend rates, so my first night was at 258, and Friday and Saturday will be 288. At least they take credit cards.
Playboy2000
06-18-09, 11:10
THe CP KTVs are fairly well documented on this site, but the ChangAn KTVs generally receive less attention. It is probably becasuse CA is more difficult to get to (no direct train from HK, for example).
Anyway below is a list of strip KTVs I've heard about in ChangAn:
JiAn: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
DFML (Dong Fang Mei Li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Wu Sha Hotel KTV
Xing Zhi Xing KTV (Star of Star Hotel) (Near the border of Humen and Chang An): girls put underwear in plastic bag
Dong Cheng KTV
JinSha KTV (JSMZ)
ShaTou Hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
I've been to the first to on the list, but not to the others. My questions to you guys is are all 7 of these KTVs distinct KTVs? Or of some of these the same place with different names. Also, do you know about the stripping and choosing format at these KTVs? I believe they are all 2-5-8.
Cain't argue with that logic. Also, room rates in China - and CP in particular - is generally so cheap that it really don't matter much for the casual and once a while visitor.
SEAJI agree there. I have seen the rooms at SWL, Manhattan, adn Penn and somethings (flatscreen tv) look better than HH. HH still has big CRT in most rooms. If I didn't have unreplaceable business samples when traveling I'd worry less. I don't really care about clothes and cards are easy to hide in any room.
the rooms at HH are feeling dated but very clean which is why I want to try elsewhere.
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-09, 16:58
Eddie. You sure it actually happened? To your friend? And that this guy is not prone to exaggeration?
Come on. OK, I can see. Sorta. The rationale for the charge for the room key (But RMB 40? That amount by itself is ridiculous actually). But RMB1, 600 for the safe? First, I priced safes at the Canton Trade fair and the kind they have at the Hua Yu would max. Be US$ 45at and secondly and more importantly. How can they justify him having to pay for it as he certainly didn't steal it and the hotel is suppossed to be responsible for at least a modicum of security.
And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left? !
Just really curious/wondering if your buddy really telling it all.
SEAJSEAJ,
This thing do happen all over China, he have no reason to lie yes I am sure the safe is not worth that much, he even went back to the police station a few later and they have not find the guy, I wonder if the police work on his case at all, he think one of the pimp behing hui mei stole his wallet and have his buddy go to the hotel and steal the safe, I have my thing stolen in my room in a 4 star hotel in shanghai before all my vaulable stuff I keep at the hotel safe.
Fast Eddie 48
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And I still wonder how the hotel could possibly make him pay ANY $$ at all as he by then had no money or card or whatever left??!!
I agree, it sounds a little fishy. Paying 1600 rmb for a used safe and where did he get the money to pay for it and his hotel bill ?
many hotels in china do not have 'under the bed' area. you can lift the bed and put stuff underneath. hard place to search. In HuiHua i thnk rooms have a 'ledge' at top of the room, you can place items up there too.
dont' forget them though.
That's right.
Last November I raised a piece of furniture, in my apartment in Buenos Aires, in order to hide my cash and passport there and I found 2.000 pesos=$700 hidden there.
Some one else forgot them there. Nice start for me.
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-09, 23:54
I agree, it sounds a little fishy. Paying 1600 rmb for a used safe and where did he get the money to pay for it and his hotel bill? Some dumb ass ISG member got rob in CP a few yr back as I was told, maybe he lie about that too, if you don't think this will happen it will.
Fast Eddie 48
Some dumb ass ISG member got rob in CP a few yr back as I was told, maybe he lie about that too, if you don't think this will happen it will.
Fast Eddie 48
Hey Eddie each time I talk with you, you like to use derogatory words against me. Just like the time you called first to arrange to met in Shenzhen. You didn’t show up and I called to find out about your status and ETA. You said to me, “What the HELL you want !” You forgot about the meeting or didn't bother. Now this post with “dump ass”. You have used other condescending words in replying to my other past posts too.
I am not saying it will not happen or did not happened. I do believe the story especially with all the crime in China. I am just wondering how he paid for the safe and hotel bill after he lost everything. He did not have any cash or credit cards.
"SE Asian Joe" first brought it up and was asking about it too. Where in HELL did your DUMP ASS friend get the money after everything was lost? I am just using your type meaningful derogatory words as an example.
SE Asia Joe
06-19-09, 17:41
Hey Weelock/Eddie - cool it both of you!! Please!! No need to get all upset about this - or any other topic.
Nuthin' is really that big a deal to get upset - right?? Hate to see 2 buddies get on each other over trivial matters
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
06-19-09, 20:07
I am not saying it will not happen or did not happened. I do believe the story especially with all the crime in China. I am just wondering how he paid for the safe and hotel bill after he lost everything. He did not have cash or credit cards.
If you read FE's post, he said the guy that got robbed was from HK and he called his other buddy from HK to come and get him and help him with the bill.
I for one believe FE, because he has no reason to lie. And he is just sharing a story with us. Plus, FE is a seasoned monger. I believe China and it's business practices are fucked up that way. The manager probably did not want to get fired, so he billed the customer. I guess the reasoning has some bearing, where the customer is responsible for the contents and condition of the room property he is essentially renting out. Just like if you rent a car and you left the keys in the ignition... and it got stolen. Oh well. Almost the same as a thief finding a key with the hotel name and room number written on it.
Fast Eddie 48
06-19-09, 21:00
If you read FE's post, he said the guy that got robbed was from HK and he called his other buddy from HK to come and get him and help him with the bill.
I for one believe FE, because he has no reason to lie. And he is just sharing a story with us. Plus, FE is a seasoned monger. I believe China and it's business practices are fucked up that way. The manager probably did not want to get fired, so he billed the customer. I guess the reasoning has some bearing, where the customer is responsible for the contents and condition of the room property he is essentially renting out. Just like if you rent a car and you left the keys in the ignition... and it got stolen. Oh well. Almost the same as a thief finding a key with the hotel name and room number written on it.Dan,
I think the hotel charge the credit card he use for deposit, since the CC is stolen with the wallet and he report the CC stolen, no sure about the final settlement.
Even loser low life like weelock is a target, BSD like you better becareful anyone can be a target, but weelock drag a old duffle bag across China looking for cheap thrill .
Fast Eddie 48
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