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SE Asia Joe
01-30-13, 17:36
I notice that this year, a lot more girls seems to have left CP compared to previous years. Just IMHO of course, but I remember years past that the "great exodus" out of town was not as drastic as this year.
Was with a friend at the MF Flower street a few days ago and the line up was quite pathetic, plus the whole town seems to be so deserted these days. I wonder if it has got something to do with how much more these girls had been able to earn this year compared to years past. Girl charges had really gone up drastically just this year PLUS I see that there's so much more volume of mongers coming to CP last year. Stands to reason that a lot of gals must have made a lot of money and able to go home earlier.
Just thinking!
SEAJ
I heard so crazy prices now around for a girl. Almost more expensive than New York City. I am not going to pay 1000 or 2000 for a bang in China! No way! And be honest with you. I love Asian girls but the sex is definitely not the best in China. Service wise. (Thailand is 100 % more fun.)
I notice that this year, a lot more girls seems to have left CP compared to previous years. Just IMHO of course, but I remember years past that the "great exodus" out of town was not as drastic as this year.
Was with a friend at the MF Flower street a few days ago and the line up was quite pathetic, plus the whole town seems to be so deserted these days. I wonder if it has got something to do with how much more these girls had been able to earn this year compared to years past. Girl charges had really gone up drastically just this year PLUS I see that there's so much more volume of mongers coming to CP last year. Stands to reason that a lot of gals must have made a lot of money and able to go home earlier.
Just thinking!
SEAJ
I notice that this year, a lot more girls seems to have left CP compared to previous years. Just IMHO of course, but I remember years past that the "great exodus" out of town was not as drastic as this year.
Was with a friend at the MF Flower street a few days ago and the line up was quite pathetic, plus the whole town seems to be so deserted these days. I wonder if it has got something to do with how much more these girls had been able to earn this year compared to years past. Girl charges had really gone up drastically just this year PLUS I see that there's so much more volume of mongers coming to CP last year. Stands to reason that a lot of gals must have made a lot of money and able to go home earlier.
Just thinking!
SEAJGood thinking. I noticed it too, but more in general, EVERYONE is going home for CNY this year. I think it has to do with the ease of going home by train this year compared to the past, mainly how you can now buy your train tickets online. Just my 2c.
OS
SE Asia Joe
02-01-13, 17:49
good thinking. i noticed it too, but more in general, everyone is going home for cny this year. i think it has to do with the ease of going home by train this year compared to the past, mainly how you can now buy your train tickets online. just my 2c.
osyes, i didn't think of this.
and the fact that the weather (except for the smog) had been comparatively good for traveling in china this year.
i was in zhuhai yesterday and also noticed that it was also emptying out.
btw, the new station right next to the gongbei border crossing for the high speed train just opened up last week.
oth, i didn't feel that zhuhai was as "empty" as chang ping is right now (am in cp now).
just my own observations / feelings.
seaj
Viajando Musico
02-01-13, 22:40
Any idea where to get some foreign action in Dongguan? Closest places I know are HK and Macau but I'm hoping for some place closer by without needing to go through the hassle of crossing the border.
That said, I now live in DG city and if anyone wants to get together here or in CP, hit me up with a PM. Word of warning, KTV costs here are a lot higher than CP. There are cheap places but the quality of girls in those places are kinda scary (like they should be paying me or something.)
DGinfWithout crossing the boarder or hop on a plane, your best bet is probably Kama Club in Guangzhou. Many different nationalities.
Fast Eddie 48
02-02-13, 05:02
I heard so crazy prices now around for a girl. Almost more expensive than New York City. I am not going to pay 1000 or 2000 for a bang in China! No way! And be honest with you. I love Asian girls but the sex is definitely not the best in China. Service wise. (Thailand is 100 % more fun.)To Yomango,
I don't think you been to CP or even China yes inflation the last few yr everything is up, but it is still alot cheaper than New York and you don't think everything is going up in Thailand too USD is weak there too, you don't know what the fuck you are taking about just stay home in NYC then why even spend money for a plane ticket and come to China for.
Fast Eddie 48
yes, i didn't think of this.
and the fact that the weather (except for the smog) had been comparatively good for traveling in china this year.
i was in zhuhai yesterday and also noticed that it was also emptying out.
btw, the new station right next to the gongbei border crossing for the high speed train just opened up last week.
oth, i didn't feel that zhuhai was as "empty" as chang ping is right now (am in cp now).
just my own observations / feelings.
seaji believe the station opened many weeks ago, but not convenient for traveling to and from cp. zhuhai saunas closed months ago. if any are open i don't know about it. maybe vips only? beats me. plenty of action to be found elsewhere though. i did come to cp for the saunas however, but disappointed in the quality of girls still remaining."settled" for a 1000rmb girl at hui hua after being shown 4 rounds of girls and walking out on 2 other saunas. i don't like to repeat myself, but "settled" on a 1000rmb girl. wtf. i might as well go back to macau and get a much hotter girl for about that price. anyone know of a sauna that still has hot girls?
OldAsiaHand
02-03-13, 05:52
To Yomango,
I don't think you been to CP or even China yes inflation the last few yr everything is up, but it is still alot cheaper than New York and you don't think everything is going up in Thailand too USD is weak there too, you don't know what the fuck you are taking about just stay home in NYC then why even spend money for a plane ticket and come to China for.
Fast Eddie 48FE48,
If you look at the historical development of the price of pussy over the years, you will note that both China and Thailand have increased substantially, albeit Thailand more gradually over time. China prices have increased over the past 2-3 years around 25-40% depending on the venue. In comparison, you can still get laid for 100-150 RMB (Sha Tsui & BBS) in more places in China if you look for it, but your choices for 500 baht in Thailand (Beach Road in Pattaya) are more limited. And, I believe the quality is better in that price range in China (5-7) vs. (3-5).
That said, for the better quality, prices and quality between Thailand and China are similar e. G. A KTV girl vs. A Patpong Go Go girl. China sauna prices vs. Thailand MP prices are also similar for the same quality but again I think China sauna girls are prettier and give better / more service than their Thai counterparts.
Given the present currency exchange rates, Thailand may still be a bit cheaper than China even with the recent appreciation of the THB compared with the RMB, however, we are not talking about a lot of money here.
IMHO, it all depends on what you are looking for. No doubt, for western mongers, Thailand is more foreigner friendly. For Chinese speaking mongers, China may be paradise. If you are looking for GFE, language is important. And, most importantly,"beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". Some guys like Chinese girls, while others prefer Thai. To each his own. I like both.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
02-03-13, 08:11
FE48,
If you look at the historical development of the price of pussy over the years, you will note that both China and Thailand have increased substantially, albeit Thailand more gradually over time. China prices have increased over the past 2-3 years around 25-40% depending on the venue. In comparison, you can still get laid for 100-150 RMB (Sha Tsui & BBS) in more places in China if you look for it, but your choices for 500 baht in Thailand (Beach Road in Pattaya) are more limited. And, I believe the quality is better in that price range in China (5-7) vs. (3-5).
That said, for the better quality, prices and quality between Thailand and China are similar e. G. A KTV girl vs. A Patpong Go Go girl. China sauna prices vs. Thailand MP prices are also similar for the same quality but again I think China sauna girls are prettier and give better / more service than their Thai counterparts.
Given the present currency exchange rates, Thailand may still be a bit cheaper than China even with the recent appreciation of the THB compared with the RMB, however, we are not talking about a lot of money here.
IMHO, it all depends on what you are looking for. No doubt, for western mongers, Thailand is more foreigner friendly. For Chinese speaking mongers, China may be paradise. If you are looking for GFE, language is important. And, most importantly,"beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". Some guys like Chinese girls, while others prefer Thai. To each his own. I like both.
Just my POV.
OAHTo OAH,
That guy Yomango is a idoit if you read his post you will know none of the thing he say make any sense, he say mongering in China is just as expensive as New York city, yes the cost of living has gone up alot the last few yr but if you know where to get cheap actions I still can get 150 rmb ST in CP if you have the right contact is Newbie like Yomongo that don't know any better.
Fast Eddie 48
ManonsanBoy
02-03-13, 10:43
FE48,
IMHO, it all depends on what you are looking for. No doubt, for western mongers, Thailand is more foreigner friendly. For Chinese speaking mongers, China may be paradise. If you are looking for GFE, language is important. And, most importantly,"beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". Some guys like Chinese girls, while others prefer Thai. To each his own. I like both.
OAHFor anyone speaking a little Chinese, China (southern) is better than Thailand or the Philippines. I am told around 30 % of Chinese worhers refuse a lao wei and if you are black, that rises to maybe 80. They are afraid you are hung like a horse.
OldAsiaHand
02-03-13, 11:24
For anyone speaking a little Chinese, China (southern) is better than Thailand or the Philippines. I am told around 30 % of Chinese worhers refuse a lao wei and if you are black, that rises to maybe 80. They are afraid you are hung like a horse.ManonsanBoy,
Unfortunately, I am not hung like a horse, but I hear that all the time from China WGs. Just last night, I decided to do some hunting. The BBS situation near where I live is dismal. Nearly all of them have been shut down. In Shiqi, I fould a strip of HJ only joints. This town used to be full of FS BBS, now all gone.
I was talking with the girls in one of the shops and she said,"You cannot find FS because your didi is too big. Even if I did do FS, I would charge you 500 RMB."
This mentality is commonplace in China, more in smaller towns with less foreigners than in the cities and places like CP. I am sure that given a choice, most Chinese girls would prefer not to do foreigners at all. Up to 70% do it because they need the money and are under pressure from a third party.
I have been doing a lot of freebies lately because at least I know that they want to be with a laowai since they do not have to do me although I do not get the 18-21 yo, hard, tight, bodies I get with P4P for free.
Just my POV.
OAH
seajoe,
the young kid from sweden! what the hell are you doing in cp this time of year anyhow?
i think another explanation is that wages and tips have gone way up these few years and thus girls are able buy plane tickets and high speed rail as well. i have a footie girl at lucky footie. she flew back home to chongqing on an airplane. explain how a footie girl can even afford that? so you can imagine that if a footie girl can fly back home, a wg would have even less of a problem buying plane tickets back home.
another reason i can come up with is that, cp has grown so much that everything is more spread out than ever before. back in early 2000's it was hui hua, miraton, hui mei, new century and lucky and lion hotel and shen ping hotel. about 3 hotels on the swan lake side. thus everything was all concentrated in the zhong yuan road. you saw a whole lot more people walking around there. but nowadays, with all the apartment buildings being built all over the place and hotels like yihao, haixia hotel and eurasia and regency hotel spreading the activities and population further out in cp there seems to be less concentration of girls in the central area. for example, haixia, li jing, dong tian, vanke developments etc have really built pockets of smaller communities and really spread out the population of cp.
also, i think the number of wg in cp has been steadily decreasing over the years as well. other cities in bustling zhejiang and jiangsu provinces, such as nanjing, hangzhou, yiwu, ningbo, zibo, taizhou, have really drawn more wg to their cities due to it's higher sitting fees and wealthier clientele. not to mention even inner province cities like wuhan, changsha, zhengzhou all offer higher sitting fees and tips than cp. so perhaps there are just less wgs in general in cp.
oh well, who knows. let's just hope there's no more major crackdowns in cp.
btw, i saw the new hui hua hotel across from tesco, and it appears to be even larger than the original hui hua hotel. they definitely got smarter and built the first 5 floors larger than the original to accommodate more girls and in my prediction offer flower street which the original hui hua does not have and has lost out to the likes of yihao and eurasia.
year of the snake is here, let's all hope for better luck.
asndragon.
i notice that this year, a lot more girls seems to have left cp compared to previous years. just imho of course, but i remember years past that the "great exodus" out of town was not as drastic as this year.
was with a friend at the mf flower street a few days ago and the line up was quite pathetic, plus the whole town seems to be so deserted these days. i wonder if it has got something to do with how much more these girls had been able to earn this year compared to years past. girl charges had really gone up drastically just this year plus i see that there's so much more volume of mongers coming to cp last year. stands to reason that a lot of gals must have made a lot of money and able to go home earlier.
just thinking!
seaj
ManonsanBoy
02-03-13, 15:32
ManonsanBoy,
The BBS situation near where I live is dismal. Nearly all of them have been shut down. In Shiqi, I fould a strip of HJ only joints. This town used to be full of FS BBS, now all gone.
OAHThere are no BBS left in Tangxia. It is an interesting developiment as all the WGs now operate in a type of cheap sauna. You can still get delivery to your hotel but mummies' phone numbers are harder to get. Saunas are thinning out as the girls go home.
ManonsanBoy
02-03-13, 15:42
seajoe,
i think another explanation is that wages and tips have gone way up these few years and thus girls are able buy plane tickets and high speed rail as well. i have a footie girl at lucky footie. she flew back home to chongqing on an airplane. explain how a footie girl can even afford that? so you can imagine that if a footie girl can fly back home, a wg would have even less of a problem buying plane tickets back home.
asndragon.wages in southern china have gone up 50 % in the last 5 years. businesses seem to be allowing workers to go home earlier. i know a factory manager in funggang and he asked staff to work shifts around the clock most of january in return for an extra week off during cny. his factory closed yesterday and will not open until 18 feb. he hopes most will return. my favourite mummy went home 1 week ago and will not come back until 15 feb.
Have a friend who wants to stay in Dongguan for a couple of weeks. He has a return flight on Nov 20th which is a Wednesday at 11:30am in the morning. He would like to at the airport no less than 8:30-9am since he wants to make sure he makes his flight.
What are his options and costs for each option?
The best option would be take a car directly to the HK airport however I assume that this would be the most expensive way. Anyone done this? What would be the cost and also would you still need to remove your luggages from the taxi in order to go through customs? Thanks for any help.
PS, I just found that there is a Humen Ferry Terminal, Dongguan that will go to Hong Kong airport. It is a 1 hour trip and leaves at 08:10am so should be arriving at Hong Kong airport at 9:10am. Has anyone does this?
ManonsanBoy,
Unfortunately, I am not hung like a horse, but I hear that all the time from China WGs. Just last night, I decided to do some hunting. The BBS situation near where I live is dismal. Nearly all of them have been shut down. In Shiqi, I fould a strip of HJ only joints. This town used to be full of FS BBS, now all gone.
I was talking with the girls in one of the shops and she said,"You cannot find FS because your didi is too big. Even if I did do FS, I would charge you 500 RMB."
This mentality is commonplace in China, more in smaller towns with less foreigners than in the cities and places like CP. I am sure that given a choice, most Chinese girls would prefer not to do foreigners at all. Up to 70% do it because they need the money and are under pressure from a third party.
I have been doing a lot of freebies lately because at least I know that they want to be with a laowai since they do not have to do me although I do not get the 18-21 yo, hard, tight, bodies I get with P4P for free.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH,
Thank god I do not have that problem. I'm just average (maybe a bit above it) and being an ABC (American Born Asian) is a added plus. \
Happy Hunting,
Bnlee2
Have a friend who wants to stay in Dongguan for a couple of weeks. He has a return flight on Nov 20th which is a Wednesday at 11:30am in the morning. He would like to at the airport no less than 8:30-9am since he wants to make sure he makes his flight.
What are his options and costs for each option?
The best option would be take a car directly to the HK airport however I assume that this would be the most expensive way. Anyone done this? What would be the cost and also would you still need to remove your luggages from the taxi in order to go through customs? Thanks for any help.
PS, I just found that there is a Humen Ferry Terminal, Dongguan that will go to Hong Kong airport. It is a 1 hour trip and leaves at 08:10am so should be arriving at Hong Kong airport at 9:10am. Has anyone does this?I have not taken the ferry from Humen Ferry Terminal, Dongguan. I have taken the ferry from zhongshan to HKIA and it is also about an hour. The traffic over the water is much better than by car. Much more predictable even in bad weather. Just my two rmb on this.
Mit Fo Lfe
02-04-13, 06:55
Have a friend who wants to stay in Dongguan for a couple of weeks. He has a return flight on Nov 20th which is a Wednesday at 11:30am in the morning. He would like to at the airport no less than 8:30-9am since he wants to make sure he makes his flight.
What are his options and costs for each option?
The best option would be take a car directly to the HK airport however I assume that this would be the most expensive way. Anyone done this? What would be the cost and also would you still need to remove your luggages from the taxi in order to go through customs? Thanks for any help.
PS, I just found that there is a Humen Ferry Terminal, Dongguan that will go to Hong Kong airport. It is a 1 hour trip and leaves at 08:10am so should be arriving at Hong Kong airport at 9:10am. Has anyone does this?There are typically transportation agencies inside the bigger hotels (ie hh, clipper, etc) which will take you directly to HKIA. I think the first van leaves hh at 540 am and typically run every 1/2 hour or so. Cost is 200 rmb each way. These vans hold up to 7 passengers and you will go through immigrations inside the van. No need to get out and do a land crossing with your luggage. I've only had to get out of the van once for customs to scan our luggage as something set off their scanners while going through the border. In my opinion this is the easiest way as the vans are a door-to-door service. Only drawback is that you may have to share the van with 6 other people. This isn't always the case but expect to do so during peak times. This service isn't the quickest but it is the easiest and almost hassle free. If you need to be at the airport earlier you can always arrange a private van that does a similar crossing but will drop you off at HKIA at any time of the day. Cost is about 1200 rmb for this private van service. if your friend needs to be at HKIA at around 8:30-9 he will have no issues by taking the 540am van out of hh. just make sure to reserve a seat when purchasing the ticket
OAH,
Thank god I do not have that problem. I'm just average (maybe a bit above it) and being an ABC (American Born Asian) is a added plus. \
Happy Hunting,
Bnlee2I am above average and have been doing saunas in CP for many years now. I am yet to encounter a very tight pussy. They all accomodate me very easily and many are way more loose than what I get here in the US. Go figure.
Fast Eddie 48
02-05-13, 03:10
Have a friend who wants to stay in Dongguan for a couple of weeks. He has a return flight on Nov 20th which is a Wednesday at 11:30am in the morning. He would like to at the airport no less than 8:30-9am since he wants to make sure he makes his flight.
What are his options and costs for each option?
The best option would be take a car directly to the HK airport however I assume that this would be the most expensive way. Anyone done this? What would be the cost and also would you still need to remove your luggages from the taxi in order to go through customs? Thanks for any help.
PS, I just found that there is a Humen Ferry Terminal, Dongguan that will go to Hong Kong airport. It is a 1 hour trip and leaves at 08:10am so should be arriving at Hong Kong airport at 9:10am. Has anyone does this?To Csun.
You are asking about this for a friend and this is for end of the yr 10 month from now, you know many thing can change in China during that time, yes I have taking the ferry from Humen to HKIA long time ago yes it is fast about 1hr 15 min but I stay over night at the hotel near Hunmen plaza about 10 min taxi to ferry terminal only 3 ferry a day to HKIA, there are so many option it all depend where you are in Dongguan why even worry about it now.
Fast Eddie 48
Thanks guys for the response We were only looking at the ferry because I didn't know that there are vans that goes from the hotel directly to Hong Kong airport. His flight is 12:30pm so I think he has plenty of time to get there by van and I don't think he mind sharing a van. It might be better since then everyone is going to the same place so he won't get lost. I will pass the message to him and thanks again for the help.
I agree. Speaking Chinese is the key. China is way better than Thailand and Philippines.
LAMonkey
For anyone speaking a little Chinese, China (southern) is better than Thailand or the Philippines. I am told around 30 % of Chinese worhers refuse a lao wei and if you are black, that rises to maybe 80. They are afraid you are hung like a horse.
I am above average and have been doing saunas in CP for many years now. I am yet to encounter a very tight pussy. They all accomodate me very easily and many are way more loose than what I get here in the US. Go figure.If you want tight pussy ask mamasan beforehand. Works anywhere, sauna bbs KTV, although if mamasan doesn't have any at hand she'll just push her ugly girls to you because her hot girls can get other customers, this is how China works. Downside is that the girl is new so don't expect good service. Upside is you have a fresh tight girl hopefully with a refreshing attitude to match (often not though, these girls have yet to learn about customer service). I once got a girl fresh off the bus and she was so scared it took me an hour to get those legs opened (it was an enjoyable hour mind you, I was not too horny that it would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, and the whole process was a turn on in itself) and the girl was so tight it took me another 10 minutes to work xiao didi into her. Unfortunately I am below average so it's harder for me to find tight pussy, but if I can do it so can you!
I've had a couple girls that are looser than what I find in the US but the vast majority is still tighter. I've never had tight pussy in the US that I had to pay for. Where do you find these girls?
Hello All,
Wanted to see if anyone has / have heard of the TangLeGong Hotel before? I went there for a few hours on a Monday night back in April 2011, and was taken directly to the "sauna" on the 3rd floor. A line-up was brought out, about 20-25 girls. There were 2 classes, and I picked 2 girls (must have been no older than 21-22) that seemed to be very good friends. After we got to the room, which was nicely furnished, clean and about 800 sq. Ft, one of the girls wanted to invite another girlfriend. And since I was in a great mood, I concurred, and thus a 3rd participant was brought in. Luckily I ate my Cherrios that day because each girl did their thing, and all 3 seemed to be very comfortable playing with meatthe same time, even though I knew they were putting on an act when it came to their girl-girl interactions. Whatever the case, we all had a fun time. I got there around 9 PM, and left by 12:30 AM. The whole episode cost me around RMB 2100-2200.
I'm now returning to Changping from 2/2. 3/3. While I don't mind stayingatthe TangLeGong again, but it seemed to be a bit out of the way from what I remember. I'm an ABC, so shouldn't have any issues getting around, as I also speak fluent Mandarin. Just wanted to see if anyone on here also stayedatthe TangLeGong before. I'm reading the reviews on here that Eurasia, Walter and the Regency are probably better hotels. And it seems that CP has also grown very much the last couple of years. Anyone have any recommendations for a hotel that's in the "center of it all?" I'll have to go check out this "Flower Market" too, since this time I'll have a couple of days for some real fun.
Thanks for any info.
Ducati168
Hello All,
Wanted to see if anyone has / have heard of the TangLeGong Hotel before? I went there for a few hours on a Monday night back in April 2011, and was taken directly to the "sauna" on the 3rd floor. A line-up was brought out, about 20-25 girls. There were 2 classes, and I picked 2 girls (must have been no older than 21-22) that seemed to be very good friends. After we got to the room, which was nicely furnished, clean and about 800 sq. Ft, one of the girls wanted to invite another girlfriend. And since I was in a great mood, I concurred, and thus a 3rd participant was brought in. Luckily I ate my Cherrios that day because each girl did their thing, and all 3 seemed to be very comfortable playing with meatthe same time, even though I knew they were putting on an act when it came to their girl-girl interactions. Whatever the case, we all had a fun time. I got there around 9 PM, and left by 12:30 AM. The whole episode cost me around RMB 2100-2200.
I'm now returning to Changping from 2/2. 3/3. While I don't mind stayingatthe TangLeGong again, but it seemed to be a bit out of the way from what I remember. I'm an ABC, so shouldn't have any issues getting around, as I also speak fluent Mandarin. Just wanted to see if anyone on here also stayedatthe TangLeGong before. I'm reading the reviews on here that Eurasia, Walter and the Regency are probably better hotels. And it seems that CP has also grown very much the last couple of years. Anyone have any recommendations for a hotel that's in the "center of it all?" I'll have to go check out this "Flower Market" too, since this time I'll have a couple of days for some real fun.
Thanks for any info.
Ducati168Look for my report on CP visit. My first time there and stayed at the Walter. Now I'm told that the Eurasia is the nicest, but normally I book a lower cost hotel and a suite. The Walter worked out fine for this-I had a nice suite for less $$ than a room at the Eurasia. I booked BSD for a tour guide, but my best night was alone in the KTV at the Walter. I didn't get in there until midnight and still got two good girls, one went from shy to hot before the night was over and the went hot, warm, hot. The line up's at the flower streets are something to see, but the KTV experience that went with it was rather boring. BSD did what I guess was his best to keep the party going but it just wasn't much, stupid dice games with no consequence other than sips of a drink if you lost. My suggestion, unless you have to have a guide, try to go with a friend and do your own thing. If you have to have a guide, try to get them to tell you what's going to be happening-didn't work for me but you may have better luck. Was never directed to a "real" sauna or BBS so missed both of those experiences. BSD did suggest a masage one day, but passed as I can do that anywhere in China. Will I go back to CP-I'm not sure, but probably not.
If you want tight pussy ask mamasan beforehand. Works anywhere, sauna bbs KTV, although if mamasan doesn't have any at hand she'll just push her ugly girls to you because her hot girls can get other customers, this is how China works. Downside is that the girl is new so don't expect good service. Upside is you have a fresh tight girl hopefully with a refreshing attitude to match (often not though, these girls have yet to learn about customer service). I once got a girl fresh off the bus and she was so scared it took me an hour to get those legs opened (it was an enjoyable hour mind you, I was not too horny that it would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, and the whole process was a turn on in itself) and the girl was so tight it took me another 10 minutes to work xiao didi into her. Unfortunately I am below average so it's harder for me to find tight pussy, but if I can do it so can you!
I've had a couple girls that are looser than what I find in the US but the vast majority is still tighter. I've never had tight pussy in the US that I had to pay for. Where do you find these girls?I live in NYC and spend a lot of time in Miami. I've stopped doing street walkers. I have contacts (pimps) who I call up when needed. To be a bit explicit, with Chinese I generally get about half my length inside while US pros can accommodate the full shaft which I suppose gives the feeling of a better fit especially if the girl practices kegel. In the saunas I generally pick the cutest girl or the most friendly one. I have in fact sampled fresh arrivals but have never had as tight a fit as I would have in, for example, the Philippines or Thailand. Thats my experience. Also, I've never had a CP sauna girl complain that I'm hurting her which may be because I only pound very hard if she asks for it and I've never had a sauna girl ask me to pound harder. Basically, I believe that Western women enjoy sex more than Chinese women. American pros ask me to pound harder all the time. That being said I've gotten addicted to CP. I love the slim, silky smooth, blemish and cellulite free bodies of the pros there which I don't get here and Chinese women are so damn cute. Variety is why I do this hobby. Now, when is my next trip.
OldAsiaHand
02-09-13, 14:43
I am above average and have been doing saunas in CP for many years now. I am yet to encounter a very tight pussy. They all accomodate me very easily and many are way more loose than what I get here in the US. Go figure.Turgid,
I reckon the "big didi" syndrome is more out of fear and perception than reality and / or they are just pretending. Most of the time, I do not find a really tight pussy either unless it is a newly arrived BBS girl. I reckon it does not take WGs too many customers until they become modified for the job. Sauna girls tend to be more about service so I imagine they complain less.
Just my POV.
OAH
BSD did suggest a masage one day, but passed as I can do that anywhere in China. Will I go back to CP-I'm not sure, but probably not.I can personally attest to the fact that you missed out by not trying the massage at PZL. Having lived in China for 5 years, I have had a few massages, but by far the oil massage at PZL is the most sensual, non-sexual massage I have encountered anywhere. It is two hours of bliss. In all fairness, I tend not to like a hard core "theraputic" massage, I go more for the relax and enjoy this ride type and this one is the best.
The girls aren't the best looking, but are well schooled and no just how, where, and when to push the buttons. I try to never miss one, when I am in town!
JoesMoe169
02-11-13, 21:46
I am thinking about going to CP in a few months but so far the stories I'm reading about sounds like it is getting quite empty. Should I just go to ShenZhen instead of CP or is CP still worthwhile going to?
JoesMoe169
02-11-13, 21:50
Hi guys,
I am planning a trip to CP in the coming months and would like to know if CP is dead now? Should I just go to Shenzhen instead or is CP still worthwhile to go to?
Please advise.
Hi guys,
I am planning a trip to CP in the coming months and would like to know if CP is dead now? Should I just go to Shenzhen instead or is CP still worthwhile to go to?
Please advise.Buddy, you don't need to post questions in rapid succession.
Go to CP now right smack in the middle of CNY and yes it will be pretty dead but there are still gems.
I had a great time with a fellow ISG member in CP last week even though they were down to about 1/5 the number of girls they normally have.
A trip in the coming months is way too vague, come next week you might be disappointed, come in March when all the girls have returned and you will probably be pleased.
Fast Eddie 48
02-12-13, 23:39
Hi guys,
I am planning a trip to CP in the coming months and would like to know if CP is dead now? Should I just go to Shenzhen instead or is CP still worthwhile to go to?
Please advise.JoesMoe169,
Who tell you CP is dead yes is not as good as it use to be but still many action in Sauna and KTV, you should do some RTFF and don't believe in everything other tell you just come and see for yourself and Shenzhen and other part of China is going down hill too.
Fast Eddie 48
Thanks for the suggestion SkyRyder. But what's the "PZL?"
I can personally attest to the fact that you missed out by not trying the massage at PZL. Having lived in China for 5 years, I have had a few massages, but by far the oil massage at PZL is the most sensual, non-sexual massage I have encountered anywhere. It is two hours of bliss. In all fairness, I tend not to like a hard core "theraputic" massage, I go more for the relax and enjoy this ride type and this one is the best.
The girls aren't the best looking, but are well schooled and no just how, where, and when to push the buttons. I try to never miss one, when I am in town!
Thanks for the suggestion SkyRyder. But what's the "PZL?"It's a (good) massage place situated in Changping Avenue, (sounds like 'Paozoling' something.).
Mit Fo Lfe
02-14-13, 07:44
Thanks for the suggestion SkyRyder. But what's the "PZL?"Pozolim. Foot / body massage place across the street from the Miraton hotel
Fast Eddie 48
02-19-13, 15:39
I was in CP a few days ago now in Huizhou for business there are girl avalible in the bbs but quality is bad, the girl at swan lake want 300 rmb for ST and ask and most sauna are closed not many Hongkonger around just got a good session at golden Harvest sauna at Huizhou city 340 rmb 2 shot great servce 90 min.
Fast Eddie 48
Wow. I'm so glad I was able to enjoy CP and SZ during the heyday when it was 150 RMB standard. I'll never forget Shazui and the SL BBS scene. We knew it would all come to an end one day. Then again, I've seen it before in Shanghai, when Ulumuqi Lu used to be full of BBS and there was a village there as well. Ha, I even remember the 588 street in Seoul and Roppongi in Tokyo. I guess things are coming to an end in NE Asia, but there were many fond memories. Anyhow, if you can speak the language, there are still pockets of activity to take advantage of.
LAMonkey
I was in CP a few days ago now in Huizhou for business there are girl avalible in the bbs but quality is bad, the girl at swan lake want 300 rmb for ST and ask and most sauna are closed not many Hongkonger around just got a good session at golden Harvest sauna at Huizhou city 340 rmb 2 shot great servce 90 min.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
02-21-13, 02:44
Wow. I'm so glad I was able to enjoy CP and SZ during the heyday when it was 150 RMB standard. I'll never forget Shazui and the SL BBS scene. We knew it would all come to an end one day. Then again, I've seen it before in Shanghai, when Ulumuqi Lu used to be full of BBS and there was a village there as well. Ha, I even remember the 588 street in Seoul and Roppongi in Tokyo. I guess things are coming to an end in NE Asia, but there were many fond memories. Anyhow, if you can speak the language, there are still pockets of activity to take advantage of.
LAMonkeyTo LA.
You just need to know where to go and who to contact, I have my contact on my regular in China and I speak Chinese so no problem getting actions yes China is no as good as it use to be, I was in Sha tsui a few days ago many KTV and sauna are closed many new construction going on you will not know where the action is and I just call my contact he bring me 5 girl not problems still 200 rmb st.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie,
I speak Chinese. Delivery should only cost 150 Rmb in CP. Otherwise your getting ripped off. I haven't found that price in SZ. The best I have found is 130 Rmb in Hubei Cun (BBS). It's walking distance from Guomao in Luohu. Shazui is far, and price is still 150 RMB (BBS). I used to pay 350 Rmb overnight in Shanghai. Swan Lake is a pure ripoff now. I never pay those mamasans. You are right, it's better to have a connection and call them and tell them to bring over exactly what you want, that's what I do. Also, I think wechat for getting wg is a complete waste of time.
LAMonkey
To LA.
You just need to know where to go and who to contact, I have my contact on my regular in China and I speak Chinese so no problem getting actions yes China is no as good as it use to be, I was in Sha tsui a few days ago many KTV and sauna are closed many new construction going on you will not know where the action is and I just call my contact he bring me 5 girl not problems still 200 rmb st.
Fast Eddie 48
Wolfman2009
02-22-13, 10:06
Team,
I will be in Dongguan next week. I am white with some beginner level mandarin. I like low key so minimum problem with police. I was going to follow the same plan I have in shenzhen which is follow the scouts to apartment complex. Is this a bad idea in Dongguan? Do you think it is a bad idea in shenzhen? I heard nightmares about KTV getting charged 100's in USD with bouncers not letting you leave. So I'm alittle nervous. Also I understand the massage places with the girls in window from what I hear are raided sometimes.
Any help is appriciated!
For the first time too the van I was in had to go through the x-ray leaving China which I thought was unusual. Customs in most other countries want to see what you are bringing in. Only in Siem Reap, Cambodia did I experience Customs X-ray (not to be confused with airport security x-ray) of outgoing luggage instead of the other way around, supposedly to prevent ancient artifacts being smuggled out.
Although our van was not exactly singled out but a few vans behind us got diverted in a row. Probably cost us 15 mins in time. There was a 5. 10 min wait after the x-ray before we got cleared.
There are typically transportation agencies inside the bigger hotels (ie hh, clipper, etc) which will take you directly to HKIA. I think the first van leaves hh at 540 am and typically run every 1/2 hour or so. Cost is 200 rmb each way. These vans hold up to 7 passengers and you will go through immigrations inside the van. No need to get out and do a land crossing with your luggage. I've only had to get out of the van once for customs to scan our luggage as something set off their scanners while going through the border. In my opinion this is the easiest way as the vans are a door-to-door service. Only drawback is that you may have to share the van with 6 other people. This isn't always the case but expect to do so during peak times. This service isn't the quickest but it is the easiest and almost hassle free. If you need to be at the airport earlier you can always arrange a private van that does a similar crossing but will drop you off at HKIA at any time of the day. Cost is about 1200 rmb for this private van service. if your friend needs to be at HKIA at around 8:30-9 he will have no issues by taking the 540am van out of hh. just make sure to reserve a seat when purchasing the ticket
OldAsiaHand
02-24-13, 05:49
Wow. I'm so glad I was able to enjoy CP and SZ during the heyday when it was 150 RMB standard. I'll never forget Shazui and the SL BBS scene. We knew it would all come to an end one day. Then again, I've seen it before in Shanghai, when Ulumuqi Lu used to be full of BBS and there was a village there as well. Ha, I even remember the 588 street in Seoul and Roppongi in Tokyo. I guess things are coming to an end in NE Asia, but there were many fond memories. Anyhow, if you can speak the language, there are still pockets of activity to take advantage of.
LAMonkeyLAMonkey,
As I read your post, a tear comes to my eye. I also remember the good old days. Shazui, walking down the alleys with 2-3, 000 girls to pick from compared to the last time I was there with you and the measly pickings we found. Not to mention the Candyland strip near Walmart in Futian and the Jusco BBS area to name a few more in SZ. SL / Yalan BBS with with 20-30 girls in every shop; all within a short walking distance between them. Now, you have to hike a mile for one shop with 5-10 girls. The village and other BBS enclaves in Shanghai with 2-3 blocks full of BBS and BJ shops where you could sit back in a barber chair and get a BBBJCIM for peanuts. And, I could go on and on. Those were the days my friend!
In Seoul, not only 588, but don't forget Miari Texas, Yongdeungpo, and Yongsan RLD, all of which are a fraction of what they used to be. 1,000s of girls for 50k KRW in the old days. I was recently in Seoul and headed for Yongsan RLD only to find it all torn down. Another mall going in across from the station. I ended up on the Hill in Itaewon where I had to pay 100k KRW for 30+ yo and chunky. 5-6, for a quick pop above the bar.
In Tokyo, I was just in Roppongi last week with some customers. We went to Tantric, one of high-end, gaijin friendly clubs. I left there with blue balls and lighter by 60, 000 JPY for a bottle of whiskey and a few ladies drinks. One girl offered to meet me after work or on her day off for 30, 000 JPY ST. My customer determined to get his rocks off took us to another shitty club where we spent another 20k JPY on drinks and he went in a back room for a 10k JPY HJ. It used to be easy to pick up freebies in Roppongi but those days are gone unless you are 30, handsome and fit, and an investment banker with JP Morgan. One of my fondest memories was pretending to be lost in Ueno and meeting a college student that invited me to her apartment nearby after a stop for a bowl of noodles on the way.
IMHO, you get still get laid pretty much everywhere but the options and quality is going down and the prices are going up.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
02-24-13, 11:45
LAMonkey,
As I read your post, a tear comes to my eye. I also remember the good old days. Shazui, walking down the alleys with 2-3, 000 girls to pick from compared to the last time I was there with you and the measly pickings we found. Not to mention the Candyland strip near Walmart in Futian and the Jusco BBS area to name a few more in SZ. SL / Yalan BBS with with 20-30 girls in every shop; all within a short walking distance between them. Now, you have to hike a mile for one shop with 5-10 girls. The village and other BBS enclaves in Shanghai with 2-3 blocks full of BBS and BJ shops where you could sit back in a barber chair and get a BBBJCIM for peanuts. And, I could go on and on. Those were the days my friend!
In Seoul, not only 588, but don't forget Miari Texas, Yongdeungpo, and Yongsan RLD, all of which are a fraction of what they used to be. 1,000s of girls for 50k KRW in the old days. I was recently in Seoul and headed for Yongsan RLD only to find it all torn down. Another mall going in across from the station. I ended up on the Hill in Itaewon where I had to pay 100k KRW for 30+ yo and chunky. 5-6, for a quick pop above the bar.
In Tokyo, I was just in Roppongi last week with some customers. We went to Tantric, one of high-end, gaijin friendly clubs. I left there with blue balls and lighter by 60, 000 JPY for a bottle of whiskey and a few ladies drinks. One girl offered to meet me after work or on her day off for 30, 000 JPY ST. My customer determined to get his rocks off took us to another shitty club where we spent another 20k JPY on drinks and he went in a back room for a 10k JPY HJ. It used to be easy to pick up freebies in Roppongi but those days are gone unless you are 30, handsome and fit, and an investment banker with JP Morgan. One of my fondest memories was pretending to be lost in Ueno and meeting a college student that invited me to her apartment nearby after a stop for a bowl of noodles on the way.
IMHO, you get still get laid pretty much everywhere but the options and quality is going down and the prices are going up.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH,
Is this your Cheap sex report HA HA HA I was in Sha tsui last week find a girl for 150 rmb form Hubei she work in KTV got her for a happy hr before she go to work around 5 pm, I was just at ACE in KL Malayasia 2 floor full of PRC and Viet have a quick session and she try to rush me out the door in 20 min and I want to get it done fast the place smell very bad even worst than the small room in Sha tsui will go back tomorrow I saw some nice hot VIET girl and even some burmese girl well Singapore have Orchard tower 3 fl of working girl and KL ace building have 2 fl of working girl but much cheaper.
Fast Eddie 48
You guys are depressing me with all this nostalgic talk. So prices are a bit higher. Inflation fellas. That will happen. What about the quality and quantity of the merchandise? If we have to pay a bit more so be it. Still a good deal.
It's my local friend favorite place.
Yo go into a big hall and welcome by a hostess that escort threw stairs to the second floor.
Than you get sited in a room and the mamasan will bring the lineup.
It depend on the time-early evening it's full so the line up is limited.
Quality is so so 5-7.
Price is 800-1300 rub depend on the quality.
Shower, BBBJ and than to the bes for another BBBJ and quick rimming.
Up to 2 pops.
Overall expiriance is nice.
OldAsiaHand
02-26-13, 17:02
OAH,
Is this your Cheap sex report HA HA HA I was in Sha tsui last week find a girl for 150 rmb form Hubei she work in KTV got her for a happy hr before she go to work around 5 pm, I was just at ACE in KL Malayasia 2 floor full of PRC and Viet have a quick session and she try to rush me out the door in 20 min and I want to get it done fast the place smell very bad even worst than the small room in Sha tsui will go back tomorrow I saw some nice hot VIET girl and even some burmese girl well Singapore have Orchard tower 3 fl of working girl and KL ace building have 2 fl of working girl but much cheaper.
Fast Eddie 48FE48,
Yes, Sha Tsui is still 150 RMB ST but the quantity and quality is shitty. I have been to ACE in KL but I normally go to Beach Club and Thai Club. Also, full of Thai, Filipinas, Indo, Viet, even some locals and S. America, Russian and African. A real United Nations. They are asking for as much as 600 MYR sometimes. Normally, you can have ST for 200. Orchard Towers, the 4 floors of working girls in Singapore. Used to me S$100 ST when the exchange was 1. 70 not too long ago. Now its 200-300 at 1. 20. Geyland is better if you know where to go. Nice Chinese girls at S$150 ST. Even Sri Lankans at S$20 if you dare. Thais are still $$40 if you are local, S$80 if you are a foreigner.
Just my POV.
OAH
Mit Fo Lfe
02-26-13, 18:38
You guys are depressing me with all this nostalgic talk. So prices are a bit higher. Inflation fellas. That will happen. What about the quality and quantity of the merchandise? If we have to pay a bit more so be it. Still a good deal.So when are you going again?
Thanks to the help from this board, my friend now knows that he can take a van from Swan Lake hotel to Hong Kong airport at a cost of 200rmb. Does anyone know if the same service will do pickup from Hong Kong airport and drop him off back at Swan Lake? If not then what service is available? I believe his flight gets into Hong Kong airport around 6pm. Thanks
Yo bro,
I want to try for your May trip. I'll keep you posted.
So when are you going again?
Thanks to the help from this board, my friend now knows that he can take a van from Swan Lake hotel to Hong Kong airport at a cost of 200rmb. Does anyone know if the same service will do pickup from Hong Kong airport and drop him off back at Swan Lake? If not then what service is available? I believe his flight gets into Hong Kong airport around 6pm. ThanksFlights from US always arrive HKIA too late, like 6pm, so whatever the transportation, you will not be able to get to CP flower street in time. Just go down to the bus / van area in the lower level T2 and take any bus / van to CP, and have a nice sleep.
For me, I would just stay in HK for the night and have a nice time in Neptune II, and head over to CP the next day.
If the flight gets into HKIA before 4:30, then it is worth the trouble to Bus / van to HungGang, then taxi to Luohu, and board the CRH. Or better yet, taxi to Luohu from KHIA directly to get on the CRH, that is still by far the fastest way to get to CP.
OS
Flights from US always arrive HKIA too late, like 6pm, so whatever the transportation, you will not be able to get to CP flower street in time. Just go down to the bus / van area in the lower level T2 and take any bus / van to CP, and have a nice sleep.
For me, I would just stay in HK for the night and have a nice time in Neptune II, and head over to CP the next day.
If the flight gets into HKIA before 4:30, then it is worth the trouble to Bus / van to HungGang, then taxi to Luohu, and board the CRH. Or better yet, taxi to Luohu from KHIA directly to get on the CRH, that is still by far the fastest way to get to CP.
OSAs a newbie to CP and for my first night in CP (I was staying at the Walter Hotel) , when I arrived at the hotel about 11 pm or so. I took the shuttle bus from the lower level as mentioned above, paid my 200 RMB and gave the driver a 50 RMB tip to take me directly to my hotel. (Later found out that my hotel was right across the street from the normal stop, so donated 50 RMB to the driver). I happened to meet the manager of the KTV in the lobby (nice) and she asked / invited me to come to the KTV after I had checked in. Jet lag hadn't got me yet so after I cleaned up I followed her suggestion, met her in the lobby and she escorted me to KTV. I did not think there would be any selection as it was close to CNY and about midnight. I was shown a small lineup and picked two reasonable looking ones for my first night. Fun in the KTV and a bit of hassle (but fun) from another KTV girl and her mamasan who wanted to give me a BJ for 100 RMB, but I wanted to save it for the two I already picked. Ended up about a 2500 RMB first night (LT both girls) , including KTV room, drinks, and girls.
This was, by far, my best night in CP. Did the flower street thing at three of the best ones with BSD-interesting experience-but the KTV part was a bit boring, although BSD did his best to keep the party going.
My short story-my first night in CP was the best night-if you want to stay in HK, by all means do so-if you want to get to CP-get the shuttle-get to your hotel-and maybe you'll hit the KTV or bar or club and score a couple good ones the way I did! Good luck!
Mrclen
Flights from US always arrive HKIA too late, like 6pm, so whatever the transportation, you will not be able to get to CP flower street in time. Just go down to the bus / van area in the lower level T2 and take any bus / van to CP, and have a nice sleep.
OSAnother possibility would be to get to Swan Lake, have dinner, get a proper massage then go to the sauna after midnight, take the package for 2 hours and they would let you sleep until the morning.
Better than trying to score in Wanchai and pay double for everything.
Thanks guys for all the information. Just talked to him and he does want to get to Swan Lake that night. He probably would not try to find a girl for the night but does enjoy CP more than HK.
I have found information on taking the buses to Dongguan. It seems that there are booth in the middle of the arriving hall were you purchase bus ticket to go to Dongguan. Are these the buses you guys are talking about? He would prefer minivan over buses. Also does the bus go anywhere close to Dongguan because when I checked on their website, it shows buses going to Dongguan East and Dongguan west. Want to make sure that he finds the right bus or minivan to get close to Swan Lake hotel. I figure is he gets close, he can always take a taxi from the bus drop off to his hotel.
Thanks guys for all the information. Just talked to him and he does want to get to Swan Lake that night. He probably would not try to find a girl for the night but does enjoy CP more than HK.
I have found information on taking the buses to Dongguan. It seems that there are booth in the middle of the arriving hall were you purchase bus ticket to go to Dongguan. Are these the buses you guys are talking about? He would prefer minivan over buses. Also does the bus go anywhere close to Dongguan because when I checked on their website, it shows buses going to Dongguan East and Dongguan west. Want to make sure that he finds the right bus or minivan to get close to Swan Lake hotel. I figure is he gets close, he can always take a taxi from the bus drop off to his hotel.I found the van providers on the lower level at the end of the area. Very easy to locate, on the far right if you are facing inside from outside, and if you are iinside going outside it's on your far left. I paid 200 for a mini van service (plus the 50 bonus for the trip across the street). There were several of us in it and went through the border with everyone inside the van (have your passport ready to hand to the driver). The van made a couple of stops at other hotels, but you might try the same thing-give him a tip if he would take you to your hotel. Saves having to unload your bags and find a taxi that time of night.
Mrclen
California8
03-01-13, 20:46
Thanks guys for all the information. Just talked to him and he does want to get to Swan Lake that night. He probably would not try to find a girl for the night but does enjoy CP more than HK.
I have found information on taking the buses to Dongguan. It seems that there are booth in the middle of the arriving hall were you purchase bus ticket to go to Dongguan. Are these the buses you guys are talking about? He would prefer minivan over buses. Also does the bus go anywhere close to Dongguan because when I checked on their website, it shows buses going to Dongguan East and Dongguan west. Want to make sure that he finds the right bus or minivan to get close to Swan Lake hotel. I figure is he gets close, he can always take a taxi from the bus drop off to his hotel.I have always used Eternal East Tours for minivan from HKIA to Changping; they drop me off at the front door of Clipper Hotel which is a few doors from Swan Lake. All he has to do is let them know at the HKIA desk where he is going and they will just stop at Swan Lake. They have a desk with all the other companies in the arrival hall. The minivan will take him to the parking garage of a mall in Shenzhen where he may need to transfer to another van for the remainder of the trip. I have ridden in one van all the way to CP but it stopped at the mall to drop off some of the passengers and pick up others. No worries, they will put a sticker on his shirt with his destination and the staff will direct him accordingly.
Cal8
I have always used Eternal East Tours for minivan from HKIA to Changping; they drop me off at the front door of Clipper Hotel which is a few doors from Swan Lake. All he has to do is let them know at the HKIA desk where he is going and they will just stop at Swan Lake. They have a desk with all the other companies in the arrival hall. The minivan will take him to the parking garage of a mall in Shenzhen where he may need to transfer to another van for the remainder of the trip. I have ridden in one van all the way to CP but it stopped at the mall to drop off some of the passengers and pick up others. No worries, they will put a sticker on his shirt with his destination and the staff will direct him accordingly.
Cal8Thanks for the information. I think this is the exact the information that he needs to make a smooth trip to CP.
Fast Eddie 48
03-02-13, 16:55
I was surprise to see the short fat chubbly she is from Hunan use to operate at Jiamei hotel she is MIA for over a yr, I saw her last week she got a new bbs behind the Lucky hotel now only have 3 girl all low quality and she want 200 rmb CNY price I told her noway. Most of my contact that I call don't have much girl avalible maybe is finally RIP for CP bbs actions.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
03-03-13, 05:32
I was surprise to see the short fat chubbly she is from Hunan use to operate at Jiamei hotel she is MIA for over a yr, I saw her last week she got a new bbs behind the Lucky hotel now only have 3 girl all low quality and she want 200 rmb CNY price I told her noway. Most of my contact that I call don't have much girl avalible maybe is finally RIP for CP bbs actions.
Fast Eddie 48Just FYI, I insisted on 150 and got 150 a few days ago from a Hui Mei alley BBS.
Only 3 girls when I visited mid afternoon last Thursday but managed to get a "private vegetable" who was pretty good. She told me that there's around 10 girls out of there who will mostly show up after 6 PM.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
03-04-13, 05:42
Just FYI, I insisted on 150 and got 150 a few days ago from a Hui Mei alley BBS.
Only 3 girls when I visited mid afternoon last Thursday but managed to get a "private vegetable" who was pretty good. She told me that there's around 10 girls out of there who will mostly show up after 6 PM.
SEAJTo SEAJ,
I was there 2 week ago just after CNY they try to get 300 rmb in Swan lake and 200 rmb at Hui mei area quality is bad and most of my contact is gone home for CNY, but I am having a good time in Jarkata picking young cewek at disco nice GFE too 400k rp all night.
Fast Eddie 48
Hi to all,
I don't know if I'm in the right thread, but I'd like to understand which kind of "life" I coulf find in Houjie town centre and close to the fair complex.
Xie xie.
Fast Eddie 48
03-06-13, 02:46
Hi to all,
I don't know if I'm in the right thread, but I'd like to understand which kind of "life" I coulf find in Houjie town centre and close to the fair complex.
Xie xie.Emzchi,
I don't know what kind of life are you looking for it was a great town for mongering 10 yr ago, many factory have been closed down the last 10 yr it's about one hr by bus from CP is in Dongguan.
Fast Eddie 48
Emzchi,
I don't know what kind of life are you looking for it was a great town for mongering 10 yr ago, many factory have been closed down the last 10 yr it's about one hr by bus from CP is in Dongguan.
Fast Eddie 48. I'm searching for saunas, BBS, as usual.
I know that in the famous Jiahua hotel there should be a great action. Anything else?
Thanks
. I'm searching for saunas, BBS, as usual.
I know that in the famous Jiahua hotel there should be a great action. Anything else?
Thanks. Could you also recommend 2-3 best places in CP, like saunas (no KTV)?
Thanks
I've read through a lot of the pages (thanks for all the great reports) , but I'm still a bit confused about services in CP. It seems that most people are going for full service in KTV's and hotels, but I'm rather just interested in the basic cheap hour-long massage / happy ending. I've walked the streets a bit the last few nights, and haven't seemed to find what I'm looking for. Am I just looking in all the wrong places? Am I blind? What am I missing here?
Any info helps (locations / prices / ect.) Thanks.
You're in the wrong city for that. Head to Shenzhen for that service.
LAMonkey
I've read through a lot of the pages (thanks for all the great reports) , but I'm still a bit confused about services in CP. It seems that most people are going for full service in KTV's and hotels, but I'm rather just interested in the basic cheap hour-long massage / happy ending. I've walked the streets a bit the last few nights, and haven't seemed to find what I'm looking for. Am I just looking in all the wrong places? Am I blind? What am I missing here?
Any info helps (locations / prices / ect.) Thanks.
I've read through a lot of the pages (thanks for all the great reports) , but I'm still a bit confused about services in CP. It seems that most people are going for full service in KTV's and hotels, but I'm rather just interested in the basic cheap hour-long massage / happy ending. I've walked the streets a bit the last few nights, and haven't seemed to find what I'm looking for. Am I just looking in all the wrong places? Am I blind? What am I missing here?
Any info helps (locations / prices / ect.) Thanks.This will be no help at all! I prefer the KTV approach versus the quick in on out. I am an old guy and like the build up and the play time as much as the down and out. The KTV girl (a good one, and I've had good and bad) , will be more likely to give a GFE experience as you can get to know her (a little bit) and build up to the deed and have some good fun along the way-especially with some friends, or even alone as I am most of the time. I have next to no experience in the Massage, BBS and Saunas. So this is just my POV. Mrclen
To SEAJ,
I was there 2 week ago just after CNY they try to get 300 rmb in Swan lake and 200 rmb at Hui mei area quality is bad and most of my contact is gone home for CNY, but I am having a good time in Jarkata picking young cewek at disco nice GFE too 400k rp all night.
Fast Eddie 48Was definitely disappointed by the BBS selection in January. Only a handful and they were all maybe scoring 2 or 3 (on a scale of 10!). Previous visits had much better stock and quality (my regular, a solid 9, was out of the biz for good now too). Has nothing improved?
Hui Mei Tian Lun Hotel (5 Star) is not even open yet Changping is really super packed this month.
Can't imagine how it is like in April!
Malaysia really boleh.
Out in full force.
Every corner also can see them.
Fast Eddie 48
03-16-13, 16:08
This will be no help at all! I prefer the KTV approach versus the quick in on out. I am an old guy and like the build up and the play time as much as the down and out. The KTV girl (a good one, and I've had good and bad) , will be more likely to give a GFE experience as you can get to know her (a little bit) and build up to the deed and have some good fun along the way-especially with some friends, or even alone as I am most of the time. I have next to no experience in the Massage, BBS and Saunas. So this is just my POV. MrclenMrClen
The attuide of the KTV girl is much worst than 10 yr ago the hot old most have their own Hk sugar daddy, is not easy to get GFE experience in China anymore the same go to BBS and Sauna I did have a very GFE girl for all night for 500 rmb she is a older girl 27 from Guangzhou she is aim to please very rare now this days.
Fast Eddie 48
MrClen.
The attuide of the KTV girl is much worst than 10 yr ago the hot old most have their own Hk sugar daddy, is not easy to get GFE experience in China anymore the same go to BBS and Sauna I did have a very GFE girl for all night for 500 rmb she is a older girl 27 from Guangzhou she is aim to please very rare now this days.
Fast Eddie 48I agree that is what I felt in CP. Had a good GFE in the Walter Hotel KTV the first night there (went in at midnight after I arrived) , so it's not impossible. Now my POV-Has CP, Dongguan and the local area there been mongered to death (not really, but enough to make a real difference in attitude and performance)? With the forum here advertising what a great pussy destination it is, how many WG's are available, the fairs, the flower streets (quite an experience BTW) , etc, it may be that it has become too commercial. As I normally end up in a smaller town, a couple airplane hours away, that has plenty of KTV's (I've visited several) , and other venues that I never had the time to try, I more often that not have a good (and quite a few great) , GFE with the KTV girls I chose. Perhaps the girls in some of the smaller venues and further away from the main areas have not been quite so spoiled or burnt out and are still able to have fun and enjoy? I have also tried the sauna (?) in the hotel I stay in, but was not impressed, so the CP sauna may still be the thing (but I was not directed that way by my guide, so left rather disappointed).
I have also not visited a BBS (again, my CP guide did not clue me in on that action) , so cannot really make any comments except to ask a question or two. How do you manage a LT with a BBS girl? All I managed to glean from the posts, is that after the girl finishes with her shift (and after she has already been with how many customers, ewuw?) , she will come to your hotel and be with you for the remainder of the night. So you get the play with a pussy that has already been well used by quite a few men just a few minutes before you jump in the pool! I guess I just don't understand how the girls can have any passion left after they may have been Fxxked, DATYed, DFKed, stroked, poked, stretched, etc, just minutes before you start your session. This is probably just my hang up, but I would like to think that at least it has been a few hours since since her last customer. I think with the KTV girls you may have a better chance of a good / great GFE. I try (although sometimes it is difficult) , not to pick the most beautiful one or ones, but not the woofers either. As you can imagine, these don't get the most action and therefore may be a bit more ready to have a good time, have some "real" passion, and deliver the whole GFE package for an extended period (and I almost always go for LT). Of course, we all know that there are no guarantees, so we have to just shoot the odds.
Comments appreciated! MRCLEN
Asia Fullon
03-16-13, 17:36
Went to the Walter Hotel about 2 weeks ago to try out their Sauna on the 5th floor. Took a cab from Hong Kong / Shenzhen border which cost me 250 RMB flat fee, they don't run the meter.
Went into the big ass hotel lobby and entered the elevator and go straight up to the 5th floor. Exit the elevator and Pit Boss takes me into a side room where I sit and he starts to introduce the price and services of the girls. 2 weeks ago they were running a special on the chics, and the 800 RMB chics were on sale for 750 RMB. For that price, you get FREE USE of the room, which is limited to 2 hours, and UNLIMITED POPS. So if you are healthy young man, then good for you! Fuck to your heart's content.
I choose 2 girls which I thought were pretty cute, one from Hunan and one from Sichuan. Both were skinny girls in their early 20s. They brought me to a room with a large shower area and a massage bed in the shower. Proceeded to undress me first and then brought me into the shower area where they had me lie face down and then started to wash my back and my asshole. Then they had me turn around and then washed my cock, then proceeded to blow me. Then the one girl who was blowing me asked me if I first wanted to bust my nut into her mouth while in the shower, before we moved to the bed. I said, yeah sure why not? So she sucked me off until I busted my nut into her mouth. Then they dried me off and moved me into the bedroom. Then they started doing their routine, lick your body all over. They got me on all fours with my ass up in the air and one of the girls started licking my asshole, which is always fucking awesome, while the other one was jacking me off and sucking my cock. Then I started fucking them. Anyway to make a long story short. I blew my nut like 3-4 times, I can't remember, during the 2 hours. Pretty fucking hot.
After we finished, we showered up again, and they took me back downstairs to the waiting room. Relaxed for about 30 minutes and then it was time to look at some more girls. After 12 midnight, if you select a girl, then they give you an overnight room which you can sleep in for free. So I selected another girl for 750 RMB, and then they brought me up to a regular hotel room. They even ordered me some beef noodles cause I was starving, and then the girl waited for me while I was eating. Once I finished eating, then they started the clock. Which is 120 minutes. Did the same thing again all over, but this time, with only 1 girl. And this time couldn't cum 3-4 times. But I did cum 2x. First time was from a blowjob on the bed. Then I had to relax some because I had already cum like 4-5 times in 3-4 hours. Then we started to fuck doggy style and I cum again. Then we showered up and she left. It was like 3 am by then.
Went to sleep and woke up at 10 AM. Got dressed and went downstairs for breakfast. If you bring your room key it's free. Otherwise it's 50 RMB.
Walter Hotel has pretty good service and have some pretty cute ladies. Got to get there early if you want to have a good selection!
Have fun!
Went to the Walter Hotel about 2 weeks ago to try out their Sauna on the 5th floor. Took a cab from Hong Kong / Shenzhen border which cost me 250 RMB flat fee, they don't run the meter.
Went into the big ass hotel lobby and entered the elevator and go straight up to the 5th floor. Exit the elevator and Pit Boss takes me into a side room where I sit and he starts to introduce the price and services of the girls. 2 weeks ago they were running a special on the chics, and the 800 RMB chics were on sale for 750 RMB. For that price, you get FREE USE of the room, which is limited to 2 hours, and UNLIMITED POPS. So if you are healthy young man, then good for you! Fuck to your heart's content.
I choose 2 girls which I thought were pretty cute, one from Hunan and one from Sichuan. Both were skinny girls in their early 20s. They brought me to a room with a large shower area and a massage bed in the shower. Proceeded to undress me first and then brought me into the shower area where they had me lie face down and then started to wash my back and my asshole. Then they had me turn around and then washed my cock, then proceeded to blow me. Then the one girl who was blowing me asked me if I first wanted to bust my nut into her mouth while in the shower, before we moved to the bed. I said, yeah sure why not? So she sucked me off until I busted my nut into her mouth. Then they dried me off and moved me into the bedroom. Then they started doing their routine, lick your body all over. They got me on all fours with my ass up in the air and one of the girls started licking my asshole, which is always fucking awesome, while the other one was jacking me off and sucking my cock. Then I started fucking them. Anyway to make a long story short. I blew my nut like 3-4 times, I can't remember, during the 2 hours. Pretty fucking hot.
After we finished, we showered up again, and they took me back downstairs to the waiting room. Relaxed for about 30 minutes and then it was time to look at some more girls. After 12 midnight, if you select a girl, then they give you an overnight room which you can sleep in for free. So I selected another girl for 750 RMB, and then they brought me up to a regular hotel room. They even ordered me some beef noodles cause I was starving, and then the girl waited for me while I was eating. Once I finished eating, then they started the clock. Which is 120 minutes. Did the same thing again all over, but this time, with only 1 girl. And this time couldn't cum 3-4 times. But I did cum 2x. First time was from a blowjob on the bed. Then I had to relax some because I had already cum like 4-5 times in 3-4 hours. Then we started to fuck doggy style and I cum again. Then we showered up and she left. It was like 3 am by then.
Went to sleep and woke up at 10 AM. Got dressed and went downstairs for breakfast. If you bring your room key it's free. Otherwise it's 50 RMB.
Walter Hotel has pretty good service and have some pretty cute ladies. Got to get there early if you want to have a good selection!
Have fun!Dammmm-I really feel stupid! I was in the Walter for three days and I didn't even know there was a sauna in the hotel, my "guide", BSD, should have told me. I only went to the KTV in the hotel the first night and then was with BSD for three evenings in the flower street KTV's, and nothing during the day. (BSD did call one time and ask if I wanted to go with the group for a foot massage, without explaining what, if anything, a foot massage was in CP, so I passed). The KTV action was rather boring-and I was never told about any sauna or BBS. I definitely would have gone during the day while I was bored sitting around the hotel! I feel as if I did not get a CP experience at all! Took girls back from the KTV's I went to, but that is fairly standard and could have done that anywhere. As far as I am concerned, the use of a guide (BSD on this trip) was useless unless you have a group and he escorts the group. As a single and a "tag along", I was kind of left out of the action. I understand that he would not want to put me into the middle of a good group he already had and do appreciate that he "made room" for me on the KTV trips, but I felt like a fifth wheel! Live and learn! If I ever get to CP again, I will certainly have a much better idea of what, how, and where.
Mrclen
ManonsanBoy
03-17-13, 22:53
Hui Mei Tian Lun Hotel (5 Star) is not even open yet Changping is really super packed this month.
Can't imagine how it is like in April!
Malaysia really boleh.
Out in full force.
Every corner also can see them.Malaysian men used to go to China to look for wives. Now they just come for the pussy.
I agree that is what I felt in CP. Had a good GFE in the Walter Hotel KTV the first night there (went in at midnight after I arrived) , so it's not impossible. Now my POV-Has CP, Dongguan and the local area there been mongered to death (not really, but enough to make a real difference in attitude and performance)? With the forum here advertising what a great pussy destination it is, how many WG's are available, the fairs, the flower streets (quite an experience BTW) , etc, it may be that it has become too commercial. As I normally end up in a smaller town, a couple airplane hours away, that has plenty of KTV's (I've visited several) , and other venues that I never had the time to try, I more often that not have a good (and quite a few great) , GFE with the KTV girls I chose. Perhaps the girls in some of the smaller venues and further away from the main areas have not been quite so spoiled or burnt out and are still able to have fun and enjoy? I have also tried the sauna (?) in the hotel I stay in, but was not impressed, so the CP sauna may still be the thing (but I was not directed that way by my guide, so left rather disappointed).
I have also not visited a BBS (again, my CP guide did not clue me in on that action) , so cannot really make any comments except to ask a question or two. How do you manage a LT with a BBS girl? All I managed to glean from the posts, is that after the girl finishes with her shift (and after she has already been with how many customers, ewuw?) , she will come to your hotel and be with you for the remainder of the night. So you get the play with a pussy that has already been well used by quite a few men just a few minutes before you jump in the pool! I guess I just don't understand how the girls can have any passion left after they may have been Fxxked, DATYed, DFKed, stroked, poked, stretched, etc, just minutes before you start your session. This is probably just my hang up, but I would like to think that at least it has been a few hours since since her last customer. I think with the KTV girls you may have a better chance of a good / great GFE. I try (although sometimes it is difficult) , not to pick the most beautiful one or ones, but not the woofers either. As you can imagine, these don't get the most action and therefore may be a bit more ready to have a good time, have some "real" passion, and deliver the whole GFE package for an extended period (and I almost always go for LT). Of course, we all know that there are no guarantees, so we have to just shoot the odds.
Comments appreciated! MRCLENHaven't done the CP BBS in a while but from my recollection it's 250 for ST (100 for the mamasan and 150 for the girl). After 8 PM you can get LT for 600 through 9 AM (but you need to negotiate this ahead of time). I totally get what you mean by the girls being "tired" (used up) but I found a real stunner with great service at 11:30 PM one night. As for getting at the back of the line. This is what the girls do, if you can't stomach it, you need to find a girl to put up. And even then you don't know what she's doing when you're not around.
Fast Eddie 48
03-18-13, 20:34
I agree that is what I felt in CP. Had a good GFE in the Walter Hotel KTV the first night there (went in at midnight after I arrived) , so it's not impossible. Now my POV-Has CP, Dongguan and the local area there been mongered to death (not really, but enough to make a real difference in attitude and performance)? With the forum here advertising what a great pussy destination it is, how many WG's are available, the fairs, the flower streets (quite an experience BTW) , etc, it may be that it has become too commercial. As I normally end up in a smaller town, a couple airplane hours away, that has plenty of KTV's (I've visited several) , and other venues that I never had the time to try, I more often that not have a good (and quite a few great) , GFE with the KTV girls I chose. Perhaps the girls in some of the smaller venues and further away from the main areas have not been quite so spoiled or burnt out and are still able to have fun and enjoy? I have also tried the sauna (?) in the hotel I stay in, but was not impressed, so the CP sauna may still be the thing (but I was not directed that way by my guide, so left rather disappointed).
I have also not visited a BBS (again, my CP guide did not clue me in on that action) , so cannot really make any comments except to ask a question or two. How do you manage a LT with a BBS girl? All I managed to glean from the posts, is that after the girl finishes with her shift (and after she has already been with how many customers, ewuw?) , she will come to your hotel and be with you for the remainder of the night. So you get the play with a pussy that has already been well used by quite a few men just a few minutes before you jump in the pool! I guess I just don't understand how the girls can have any passion left after they may have been Fxxked, DATYed, DFKed, stroked, poked, stretched, etc, just minutes before you start your session. This is probably just my hang up, but I would like to think that at least it has been a few hours since since her last customer. I think with the KTV girls you may have a better chance of a good / great GFE. I try (although sometimes it is difficult) , not to pick the most beautiful one or ones, but not the woofers either. As you can imagine, these don't get the most action and therefore may be a bit more ready to have a good time, have some "real" passion, and deliver the whole GFE package for an extended period (and I almost always go for LT). Of course, we all know that there are no guarantees, so we have to just shoot the odds.
Comments appreciated! MRCLENTo MrClen
I don't even go to the BBS I have many mamasan contact they bring girl to my hotel room, they keep bringing girl until I find the one I want ST is 150-200 rmb and if I like the girl LT is 500-600 rmb, your guide didn, t bring you to BBS beacause he don't get any commisson he can get more money if you take you to a sauna or KTV.
Fast Eddie 48
Is it possible to travel from Shenzhen to Dongguan if I don't read Chinese? I know it's a trip on a train but would it be a problem if I didn't read Chinese to know what train to get on exactly?
Bungee Man
03-19-13, 07:07
Is it possible to travel from Shenzhen to Dongguan if I don't read Chinese? I know it's a trip on a train but would it be a problem if I didn't read Chinese to know what train to get on exactly?Yes, it is possible also by roasd. I usually take one of those "pirate" taxi from Baoyun Airport to Dongguan. The journey by road takes less than an hour. I usually pay 400 RMB as there are 4 of us.
Is it possible to travel from Shenzhen to Dongguan if I don't read Chinese? I know it's a trip on a train but would it be a problem if I didn't read Chinese to know what train to get on exactly?I don't read Chinese either and it was no problem. The ticket counter in LoHou has English signs, it is the train to Guangzhou you want to take. I would also spend the extra for a 1st class seat. Not a big difference, but worth 5 rmb IMHO
Fast Eddie 48
03-19-13, 21:00
Is it possible to travel from Shenzhen to Dongguan if I don't read Chinese? I know it's a trip on a train but would it be a problem if I didn't read Chinese to know what train to get on exactly?To Dinotrex,
The train in China now days is much more foriegner friendly than before with CRH most station have a foriegner ticket window and ticket is in Chinese and english, you just cannot use the ticket machine you will need a China resident I'd for that.
Fast Eddie 48
Big Swingin Dave
03-20-13, 11:41
It's a month plus since CNY and CP is approaching insane stage and bursting at the seams. Many of the main hotels are starting to sell out as early as Wednesday or will only have premium rooms available if you don't book in advance (minimum 2 weeks). This week, both Yihao and Eurasia were sold out on Monday and Tuesday (crazy! As typically these are the slowest days of the week) on both hotel rooms and KTV rooms. The highly anticipated new China rated 5 STARS HuiMei TianLun will be opening imminently (most likely the beginning of April). The word is that the Sauna department will open first then the KTV, shortly thereafter the lower hotel floors will be opened for occupancy. As with most new hotels, it is best to not stay there until at least one month after it has opened due to the toxic materials that the Chinese people used for their hotel renovations.
Everyone is complaining about the skyrocketing prices but it's all talk as people from mostly Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are still flocking here with the streets congested and traffic jams all over this bustling little town. Business is awesome for the KTVs, Saunas, and in some sense the BBSes as well so the girls are of plenty and hungry for your hard earn money. I can't see the slow down of the ever increasing WG fees as people are spending irresponsibly often sitting more than two girls or paying them more than what the standard fee should be bearing in mind that people are here to have a good time, most don't have a budget as these people only comes once or twice a year for a few days or at most a week at a time.
Below is an update of the new KTV WG prices for the top tier KTVs in town (prices change all the time, I got these updates two days ago, who knows it may have changed again for all I know.) :
Yihao (Action starts at 5:30pm for the model preview and 6pm for the flower street. Tags are worn on top to indicate the WG is available for take out, if the tag is worn on the hip then they are only available for partying at the KTV) 3-6-10 (green tag) ; 3-8-12 (gold tag) ; 4-10-15 (flower tag) ; 5-15-20 (this is a brand new category so I don't know what kind of tag these girls are wearing but most likely the tallest girls in the bunch as this is how China rates the girls).
Eurasia / OuYa (Action starts at 6:30pm. Red tag indicates that the WG is only available for partying at the KTV) 3-8-12 (4th floor) ; 4-10-15 (3rd floor) ; 5-15-20 (2nd floor).
Mayflower (Action starts at 5:45pm. Red tag indicates that the WG is only available for partying at the KTV) 2-6-9 (temporary work tag, have seen these girls in a turquoise color dress) ; 3-7-11 (mostly red dresses) ; 4-9-13 (white dresses) ; 5-13-18 (gold dresses).
Fuhao (Action starts at 6:30pm – 6:45pm on weekdays. This place is the most confusing.) 3-6-9 (these girls stand to the right of the circular flower street next to the cashier. Red tag girls don't go out, blue color tag goes out but don't do the strip dance, gold color tag goes out and does the strip dancing. 50RMB extra for strip dancing usually for about 15-20 minutes) ; the following three category of girls will do the strip dance for the extra 50RMB tip and wears their tags on the hip which indicates that they are available for take out and if they wear their tag on top indicates that they are only available for partying at the KTV: 3-6-10 (these girls stands in the middle of the flower street) ; 3-7-11 (these girls stands to the left of the flower street) ; 4-10-15 (these girls lines up along the staircase leading to the second floor).
Peninsula / Ban Dao (Action starts with a quasi flower street from 5:30pm to 6pm then it's the line up system from 6pm onwards, they bring girls on a first come first serve basis so don't be late or your room will only see the leftovers. The WGs wear their work tag with either a blue string (indicating that they are available for take-out) or red string (indicating that they are only available to party at the KTV). The girls are either 3-7-10; 4-8-12; or 5-10-15.
Amazon (Naked KTV) Action starts around 6:30pm. I heard that the people that are currently operating the KTV have their contract expiring in about two weeks. As a result, some of the managers, mommies, and WGs have started to leave and gone to other KTVs so the state of this place will most likely be up in the air in the near future but for the time being, the WG pricing is as follows: Red tag (not available for take-out but may strip (topless only) and Blue tag (available for tag and totally nude dancing) are 2-6-9. If the girls does do the naked dancing then their fees jumps to 4-6-9 (most likely for these girls that if they strip they are not likely to go out with you) ; Yellow tag 3-6-9, if they do the naked dancing then it changes into 4-7-10.
Yes, the good old days are over as the RMB is now very strong (low exchange rates 1USD to 6. 2RMB. 1CAD to 5. 95RMB. 1RMB to. 80HKD) , and prices going up as CP is growing simultaneously with the growth of China but no need to complain, just come and enjoy as it is still one of the best place in the world to have an awesome time with so many beautiful ladies waiting for your hard earned money.
Just want to give you guys that are planning to come to CP within the next couple months a heads-up, CP is moving into peak season as the 113th Session of the China Import and Export Fair a. K. A. The Canton Fair starting from April 15th through May 5th in three phases as listed below (for detail schedule, click on this link:
http://www.cantonfair.com/
Phase I. April 15 – 19.
Phase II – April 23 – 27.
Phase III – May 1. 5.
If you plan to be in CP either one week before, during, and / or one week after the Canton Fair and have not booked your hotel rooms yet, I recommend that you do that immediately as most of the major hotels have already sold out for most of the days during the peak season.
Have a safe and wonderful time and remember to please play responsibly so that 'everyone' can enjoy CP without breaking the bank.
BSD
Master Monger
03-23-13, 00:43
I did just travel to little town in Guangxi, and had pretty good luck with some young ones but they were nothing compared to what I used to get in Shenzhen or CP, I can't figure out where all the beautiful young girls have gone. I am going to be going to some new cities around China to try and find them. The new Dongguan is Danshui zhen in Huiyang near Huizhou, but mostly saunas and brothels no BBS's so service starts at 300 and goes up fast. They do have a cool thing called "Free for All F*cking" two guys pay 468 each and then get two girls in one room, you can bang the girls any which way for 2 hours. Plus you can add girls and request the girls kiss and lick the other girls body all over. Mine wouldn't lick the other girls snatch but my buddies licked very close to my girls snatch. It was an experience at least. They were strict about no picture taking, maybe because it is just so crazy. Takes about 30 minutes by car to get there from LuoHu in Shenzhen, they pretty much all offer similar service. Go and check it out! I was just in Thailand and got GFE from 90% of the girls. Used to get that in China. I thought it was because I am getting older but good to hear everyone is experiencing the same thing.
MM
MrClen.
The attuide of the KTV girl is much worst than 10 yr ago the hot old most have their own Hk sugar daddy, is not easy to get GFE experience in China anymore the same go to BBS and Sauna I did have a very GFE girl for all night for 500 rmb she is a older girl 27 from Guangzhou she is aim to please very rare now this days.
Fast Eddie 48
It's a month plus since CNY and CP is approaching insane stage and bursting at the seams. Many of the main hotels are starting to sell out as early as Wednesday or will only have premium rooms available if you don't book in advance (minimum 2 weeks). This week, both Yihao and Eurasia were sold out on Monday and Tuesday (crazy! As typically these are the slowest days of the week) on both hotel rooms and KTV rooms. The highly anticipated new China rated 5 STARS HuiMei TianLun will be opening imminently (most likely the beginning of April). The word is that the Sauna department will open first then the KTV, shortly thereafter the lower hotel floors will be opened for occupancy. As with most new hotels, it is best to not stay there until at least one month after it has opened due to the toxic materials that the Chinese people used for their hotel renovations.
Everyone is complaining about the skyrocketing prices but it's all talk as people from mostly Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are still flocking here with the streets congested and traffic jams all over this bustling little town. Business is awesome for the KTVs, Saunas, and in some sense the BBSes as well so the girls are of plenty and hungry for your hard earn money. I can't see the slow down of the ever increasing WG fees as people are spending irresponsibly often sitting more than two girls or paying them more than what the standard fee should be bearing in mind that people are here to have a good time, most don't have a budget as these people only comes once or twice a year for a few days or at most a week at a time.
Below is an update of the new KTV WG prices for the top tier KTVs in town (prices change all the time, I got these updates two days ago, who knows it may have changed again for all I know.) :
Yihao (Action starts at 5:30pm for the model preview and 6pm for the flower street. Tags are worn on top to indicate the WG is available for take out, if the tag is worn on the hip then they are only available for partying at the KTV) 3-6-10 (green tag) ; 3-8-12 (gold tag) ; 4-10-15 (flower tag) ; 5-15-20 (this is a brand new category so I don't know what kind of tag these girls are wearing but most likely the tallest girls in the bunch as this is how China rates the girls).
Eurasia / OuYa (Action starts at 6:30pm. Red tag indicates that the WG is only available for partying at the KTV) 3-8-12 (4th floor) ; 4-10-15 (3rd floor) ; 5-15-20 (2nd floor).
Mayflower (Action starts at 5:45pm. Red tag indicates that the WG is only available for partying at the KTV) 2-6-9 (temporary work tag, have seen these girls in a turquoise color dress) ; 3-7-11 (mostly red dresses) ; 4-9-13 (white dresses) ; 5-13-18 (gold dresses).
Fuhao (Action starts at 6:30pm – 6:45pm on weekdays. This place is the most confusing.) 3-6-9 (these girls stand to the right of the circular flower street next to the cashier. Red tag girls don't go out, blue color tag goes out but don't do the strip dance, gold color tag goes out and does the strip dancing. 50RMB extra for strip dancing usually for about 15-20 minutes) ; the following three category of girls will do the strip dance for the extra 50RMB tip and wears their tags on the hip which indicates that they are available for take out and if they wear their tag on top indicates that they are only available for partying at the KTV: 3-6-10 (these girls stands in the middle of the flower street) ; 3-7-11 (these girls stands to the left of the flower street) ; 4-10-15 (these girls lines up along the staircase leading to the second floor).
Peninsula / Ban Dao (Action starts with a quasi flower street from 5:30pm to 6pm then it's the line up system from 6pm onwards, they bring girls on a first come first serve basis so don't be late or your room will only see the leftovers. The WGs wear their work tag with either a blue string (indicating that they are available for take-out) or red string (indicating that they are only available to party at the KTV). The girls are either 3-7-10; 4-8-12; or 5-10-15.
Amazon (Naked KTV) Action starts around 6:30pm. I heard that the people that are currently operating the KTV have their contract expiring in about two weeks. As a result, some of the managers, mommies, and WGs have started to leave and gone to other KTVs so the state of this place will most likely be up in the air in the near future but for the time being, the WG pricing is as follows: Red tag (not available for take-out but may strip (topless only) and Blue tag (available for tag and totally nude dancing) are 2-6-9. If the girls does do the naked dancing then their fees jumps to 4-6-9 (most likely for these girls that if they strip they are not likely to go out with you) ; Yellow tag 3-6-9, if they do the naked dancing then it changes into 4-7-10.
Yes, the good old days are over as the RMB is now very strong (low exchange rates 1USD to 6. 2RMB. 1CAD to 5. 95RMB. 1RMB to. 80HKD) , and prices going up as CP is growing simultaneously with the growth of China but no need to complain, just come and enjoy as it is still one of the best place in the world to have an awesome time with so many beautiful ladies waiting for your hard earned money.
Just want to give you guys that are planning to come to CP within the next couple months a heads-up, CP is moving into peak season as the 113th Session of the China Import and Export Fair a. K. A. The Canton Fair starting from April 15th through May 5th in three phases as listed below (for detail schedule, click on this link:
http://www.cantonfair.com/
Phase I. April 15 – 19.
Phase II – April 23 – 27.
Phase III – May 1. 5.
If you plan to be in CP either one week before, during, and / or one week after the Canton Fair and have not booked your hotel rooms yet, I recommend that you do that immediately as most of the major hotels have already sold out for most of the days during the peak season.
Have a safe and wonderful time and remember to please play responsibly so that 'everyone' can enjoy CP without breaking the bank.
BSDThankds BSD for that extensive update. I read the Fuhao one twice and am still confused!
I did just travel to little town in Guangxi, and had pretty good luck with some young ones but they were nothing compared to what I used to get in Shenzhen or CP, I can't figure out where all the beautiful young girls have gone. I am going to be going to some new cities around China to try and find them. The new Dongguan is Danshui zhen in Huiyang near Huizhou, but mostly saunas and brothels no BBS's so service starts at 300 and goes up fast. They do have a cool thing called "Free for All F*cking" two guys pay 468 each and then get two girls in one room, you can bang the girls any which way for 2 hours. Plus you can add girls and request the girls kiss and lick the other girls body all over. Mine wouldn't lick the other girls snatch but my buddies licked very close to my girls snatch. It was an experience at least. They were strict about no picture taking, maybe because it is just so crazy. Takes about 30 minutes by car to get there from LuoHu in Shenzhen, they pretty much all offer similar service. Go and check it out! I was just in Thailand and got GFE from 90% of the girls. Used to get that in China. I thought it was because I am getting older but good to hear everyone is experiencing the same thing.
MMI usually go to a small city (by Chinese standards) way north and frequent the KTV in my hotel and a couple others. I am an old, not in bad shape, guy, and usually (but not always) get a good GFE experience. My experience in the Sauna and BBS is close to none, but I intend to try to see if I can locate this type of service in that area. If I can, I will give a short report on the experience. My four KTV visits in CP were about 50/50 for GFE, but none were complete GFE, so as far as CP goes, I had one good night with 2 girls. 1 night with a very so so but great body girl, and 2 other nights with acceptable girls. I think, (just from my limited experience in China) , that the good ones are still to be found, with a higher percentage, out of the more commercial area's. I am trying to learn to speak a bit of Mandarin, but just can't seem to get this old brain to hold onto it. I really believe that would help out with the experiences. (If anyone has any suggestions along this line that might help, please feel free to advise!).
What I would like to do is to go to an even smaller town where they don't see Americans, and prices might be lower (not trying to be cheap) , go to the KTV and sit several girls and take out one, two, or even three (I can't really handle three, but it is fun to be surrounded by all that young flesh). My thought is that these girls could be a bit "fresher", and not quite so commercial, although they might not be as skilled as a PSE, but could make up for it with enthusiasm and "real (?)" passion. If I find this paradise I may post a report on it, but probably without too many specifics.
Mostly only my POV. Mrclen
CP nightclub girl's tips also rose up quietly.
It is a certain relationship with the newly opened nightclub.
Hui Wei Tien Lun (&21295; &32654; &22825; &20523. Girl's tips.
3. 8.12/4. 10. 15/5. 15. 20/6. 18. 25.
It is said that there are a group of model 8. 25. 35.
If you go there maybe find the girls you know in other nightclubCan anyone confirm with the new pricing? No wonder all the girls from all other KTVs flock to the new Hui Mei.
Is it possible to travel from Shenzhen to Dongguan if I don't read Chinese? I know it's a trip on a train but would it be a problem if I didn't read Chinese to know what train to get on exactly?You just have to make sure to bring your passport when purchasing the train ticket. My friends didn't know and left it in their SZ hotel for safe keeping but had to go back to pick it up and return to the ticket counter to purchase the tickets.
Fast Eddie 48
03-26-13, 19:56
I did just travel to little town in Guangxi, and had pretty good luck with some young ones but they were nothing compared to what I used to get in Shenzhen or CP, I can't figure out where all the beautiful young girls have gone. I am going to be going to some new cities around China to try and find them. The new Dongguan is Danshui zhen in Huiyang near Huizhou, but mostly saunas and brothels no BBS's so service starts at 300 and goes up fast. They do have a cool thing called "Free for All F*cking" two guys pay 468 each and then get two girls in one room, you can bang the girls any which way for 2 hours. Plus you can add girls and request the girls kiss and lick the other girls body all over. Mine wouldn't lick the other girls snatch but my buddies licked very close to my girls snatch. It was an experience at least. They were strict about no picture taking, maybe because it is just so crazy. Takes about 30 minutes by car to get there from LuoHu in Shenzhen, they pretty much all offer similar service. Go and check it out! I was just in Thailand and got GFE from 90% of the girls. Used to get that in China. I thought it was because I am getting older but good to hear everyone is experiencing the same thing.
MMTo MM,
I was in Huizhou city and Huiyang a few week ago for 2 days for business staying at the city inn they have a sauna on the 4 th floor only 40 min by bus from CP, most sauna is closed only a few is open with FS price is up to 400-600 rmb I recall just a few yr ago many sauna in Danshui and Huizhou city all over more than 40 quality of the girl is not as good as in CP but for 280 rmb for 2 hr of BBBJ and AR most girl are very young from Guangxi hunan and sichuan with good attuide they try hard to please you, so many crack down on sauna in China now yes the good old days are over you did the right thing going to Thailand now.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
03-27-13, 01:41
Recently, friends asked me
What's about HMTL (Hui Mei Tien Lun, haha, what? Hmtl)
Actually, it is said to open on last last but it is delay until now.
I'm not go into inside yet so I don't know what's about it.
Even it called 6 star hotel & nightclub.
But there are friends & mami told me somethings.
Summarized as follows.
(it's not represent me)
1. 3/28 in any case will be open (Really? Around is still mess?)
2. We go to the meeting and saw the decor is really nice and luxurious.
(Anything is OK.)
3. MM set at A. 3 8 12 / B. 4 10 15 / C. 5 15 20 / D. 6 18 25 / E. 8 25 35.
(So high price? The MM will all go? Guests can accept?)
4. Nearly 90 groups Mummy! Company said KTV sent but not fix on. Other are all ready.
5 SN JS over one hundred? (Did not see who knows what is true or false)
The above are roads news.
Awaiting verificationTo CSc.
The new Hotel is 6 star is that CP standard or China standard there are only 8 hotel in the world that are 6 star standard 2 in Dubai and 2 in Sanya China, I didn't even heard about this hotel when I was in CP a few week ago.
Fast Eddie 48
You just have to make sure to bring your passport when purchasing the train ticket. My friends didn't know and left it in their SZ hotel for safe keeping but had to go back to pick it up and return to the ticket counter to purchase the tickets.It is a hassle and dangerous (loosing it to pickpockets) to carry the passport around. I usually have a copy of it and never had any issue. I just renew my US passport and opted to have the passport book plus for a few dollars more I also got a US passport card, similar to a drivers license. I was told that I can use it for land crossing (Canada and Mexico). Kinda cool. Never tried but will, when I go up to Vancouver for a meeting later this spring. I was told that the US Passport card has been in use for the last few years. Next time at the train station in China I wonder if they will accept that as valid I'd for me. Anyone out there tried using it at the China train station?
It is a hassle and dangerous (loosing it to pickpockets) to carry the passport around. I usually have a copy of it and never had any issue. I just renew my US passport and opted to have the passport book plus for a few dollars more I also got a US passport card, similar to a drivers license. I was told that I can use it for land crossing (Canada and Mexico). Kinda cool. Never tried but will, when I go up to Vancouver for a meeting later this spring. I was told that the US Passport card has been in use for the last few years. Next time at the train station in China I wonder if they will accept that as valid I'd for me. Anyone out there tried using it at the China train station?I really doubt it can be use to purchase train ticket here in China. They will not know what it is as my friends showed their Driver's License to purchase tickets and was rejected.
I think you can try making a copy of your passport and your original DL, you might be able to go to window 38 in the upper level ticket counter to have it verify by the personnel there. They will than give you a pass to purchase the ticket for that day only.
Fast Eddie 48
03-28-13, 22:45
I really doubt it can be use to purchase train ticket here in China. They will not know what it is as my friends showed their Driver's License to purchase tickets and was rejected.
I think you can try making a copy of your passport and your original DL, you might be able to go to window 38 in the upper level ticket counter to have it verify by the personnel there. They will than give you a pass to purchase the ticket for that day only.To Ron888.
They just want a I'd with photo not sure if it will have a RFID chip in it for finger printing like the US passport, the newer ticket will have fingerprint technology, I use the ticket machine using my HKID at the new Zhu Hai station to buy my ticket not all train staion in China will accept HKID you must have a China resident I'd you need to buy ticket at the window and wait in a long line, some staion like the new Guangzhou E station security check I'd at the gate to make sure you are the person who purchase the ticket.
Fast Eddie 48
I think you can try making a copy of your passport and your original DL, you might be able to go to window 38 in the upper level ticket counter to have it verify by the personnel there. They will than give you a pass to purchase the ticket for that day only.Thanks I'll make a copy of my passport just in case
Tried the new Hui Mei Tian Lun last night. Place is still quite smelly with fresh paint. You can get high just being in there for an hour or two. There were only 24 rooms opened last night and flower street had a total of around 200 girls. Their offical grand opening will be on April 1st and I was told 4th floor will be open with total 95 KTV rooms and over 1000 girls working that day.
To MM,
I was in Huizhou city and Huiyang a few week ago for 2 days for business staying at the city inn they have a sauna on the 4 th floor only 40 min by bus from CP, most sauna is closed only a few is open with FS price is up to 400-600 rmb I recall just a few yr ago many sauna in Danshui and Huizhou city all over more than 40 quality of the girl is not as good as in CP but for 280 rmb for 2 hr of BBBJ and AR most girl are very young from Guangxi hunan and sichuan with good attuide they try hard to please you, so many crack down on sauna in China now yes the good old days are over you did the right thing going to Thailand now.
Fast Eddie 48Any specific recommendations for Danshui sauna? I'd like to go but don't know that town so don't know where to tell the taxi driver to go!
I did just travel to little town in Guangxi, and had pretty good luck with some young ones but they were nothing compared to what I used to get in Shenzhen or CP, I can't figure out where all the beautiful young girls have gone. I am going to be going to some new cities around China to try and find them. The new Dongguan is Danshui zhen in Huiyang near Huizhou, but mostly saunas and brothels no BBS's so service starts at 300 and goes up fast. They do have a cool thing called "Free for All F*cking" two guys pay 468 each and then get two girls in one room, you can bang the girls any which way for 2 hours. Plus you can add girls and request the girls kiss and lick the other girls body all over. Mine wouldn't lick the other girls snatch but my buddies licked very close to my girls snatch. It was an experience at least. They were strict about no picture taking, maybe because it is just so crazy. Takes about 30 minutes by car to get there from LuoHu in Shenzhen, they pretty much all offer similar service. Go and check it out! I was just in Thailand and got GFE from 90% of the girls. Used to get that in China. I thought it was because I am getting older but good to hear everyone is experiencing the same thing.
MMHi MM, can you be more specific about the place in Danshui Zhen, that you mentioned in this post? Thanks!
SE Asia Joe
04-01-13, 18:41
I truly hope that nobody will mind me taking on this subject of KTV and KTV girl pricing in Chang Ping these days.
Prices are going up so rapidly BUT we are instead seeing the general level of service steadily going down with girls' attitudes at the point of being ridiculous!
I have been coming over to CP for God knows how many years and doing so quite regularly; and I've seen it transform from being:
1. A place where the Hong Kong truck drivers come to spend the night (as the borders closes at night) , party on the cheap, keep their equally cheap er-nais and a place where Local Chinese would not even think to go to party at as CP was then too low class for them,
2. To where the Hong Kong / Taiwanese factory owners started to also come for its quantity and quite cheap quality, whilst inviting their Hong Kong / Taiwanese friends to come. And these new guys would then also come over themselves bringing their own set of friends. Please understand that Hong Kong / Taiwanese guys are quite fastidious when it comes to mongering and have always been good at keeping a lid on prices, demanding proper service AND getting it!
3. To the beginning of the mongers from further afield, learning the ropes from the internet and finding CP great as some of these gals also likes these foreigners; but even then, prices, quality, quantity were still OK, as these mongers do NOT throw money around / no need to do so as quite a few gals willingly go with them for their uniqueness. I'd say that this was the "Golden era" for us, about 6 or 7 or so years ago, when not only prices were great, Quality AND Service were equally great! And also the start of some more Westernized eating places (and where we'd then not need to only chow down on crap) , the nicer grocery stores (instead of just the Huaren one) , movie houses, bowling alleys, go-kart places, bars / discos etc.
4. To the start of the "foreign invasion" with a plethora of tour guides and agents holding the hands and showing all the ropes to their customers, who in turn started learning all about CP themselves.
5. And for them to then start coming over in a big way, bringing their own friends from overseas (who of course in turn also did the same) and showing off their knowledge AND worse, displaying their Big Swinging Dick ways by throwing money around. Yeah, we had supposed "leaders of the pack wannabe's" practically competing with each other in throwing money at girls, KTV's, PZL gals, etc (AND unfortunately still do) , whilst these people just held out their hands, smiling widely whilst thinking: "Sucker!"
NO I really can NOT and have no right to comment too much on this as foreigners DO come a long way, spend a lot of money doing so, spend more again staying at these ever more lavish accommodations (Hell, I used to stay at the Miraton for as cheap as 218 / night!) , so who can blame them for partying as hard as they can. What I CAN AND WILL SAY is that this all has resulted in the situation that CP is now.
Sure, prices are much higher still in Guangzhou, SZ SHA, Beiing etc, but you have to understand that "entertainment places" are quite few and far in between there and are in those places certainly as a mere adjunct to the main regular commercial activities of the city; this is NOT the case in CP where "Entertainment Places" ARE the lifeblood of this shit hole! And competitive pressures from all these new places opening up SHOULD HAVE ALREADY put a lid on the price rise / service and quality going down phenomena. But the fact of the matter is that there's just plain too many ever increasing numbers of mongers coming over, throwing money around!
And all these rumors starting just a couple years or so ago, about all the Singapore Taowkay's and Malaysian Datuks paying RMB 30K / month to keep some scabby li'l gal in CP; SHIT! This particular rumour has taken a life all of its own and has really played a big part to drive prices up and make service go down to shits. You see, girls now are thinking that they can do better than take crap from customers for the mere few hundreds a night and 'acts up' even with their mommies, something that even a few years back most girls would not even dare contemplate doing.
Please understand that I am NOT trying to fault anybody; I know things like this just happens, but you all can, and hopefully, would try to your best to at least try to do your part and stop being so 'generous' when in CP; trust me, throwing money around is not going to make your bonk any better! LOL!
My apologies if I offended anybody, but this is a heartfelt plea to ALL of you to please consider doing something ON YOUR OWN PART! Please do something to stop this crap that's happening in CP now; CP still remains a semblance of a Man's paradise, and it's not YET too late to do all our own part to keep it this way. And hopefully to even reverse the rot.
Thanks for reading this.
SEAJ
I truly hope that nobody will mind me taking on this subject of KTV and KTV girl pricing in Chang Ping these days.
Prices are going up so rapidly BUT we are instead seeing the general level of service steadily going down with girls' attitudes at the point of being ridiculous!
I have been coming over to CP for God knows how many years and doing so quite regularly; and I've seen it transform from being:
1. A place where the Hong Kong truck drivers come to spend the night (as the borders closes at night) , party on the cheap, keep their equally cheap er-nais and a place where Local Chinese would not even think to go to party at as CP was then too low class for them,
2. To where the Hong Kong / Taiwanese factory owners started to also come for its quantity and quite cheap quality, whilst inviting their Hong Kong / Taiwanese friends to come. And these new guys would then also come over themselves bringing their own set of friends. Please understand that Hong Kong / Taiwanese guys are quite fastidious when it comes to mongering and have always been good at keeping a lid on prices, demanding proper service AND getting it!
3. To the beginning of the mongers from further afield, learning the ropes from the internet and finding CP great as some of these gals also likes these foreigners; but even then, prices, quality, quantity were still OK, as these mongers do NOT throw money around / no need to do so as quite a few gals willingly go with them for their uniqueness. I'd say that this was the "Golden era" for us, about 6 or 7 or so years ago, when not only prices were great, Quality AND Service were equally great! And also the start of some more Westernized eating places (and where we'd then not need to only chow down on crap) , the nicer grocery stores (instead of just the Huaren one) , movie houses, bowling alleys, go-kart places, bars / discos etc.
4. To the start of the "foreign invasion" with a plethora of tour guides and agents holding the hands and showing all the ropes to their customers, who in turn started learning all about CP themselves.
5. And for them to then start coming over in a big way, bringing their own friends from overseas (who of course in turn also did the same) and showing off their knowledge AND worse, displaying their Big Swinging Dick ways by throwing money around. Yeah, we had supposed "leaders of the pack wannabe's" practically competing with each other in throwing money at girls, KTV's, PZL gals, etc (AND unfortunately still do) , whilst these people just held out their hands, smiling widely whilst thinking: "Sucker!"
NO I really can NOT and have no right to comment too much on this as foreigners DO come a long way, spend a lot of money doing so, spend more again staying at these ever more lavish accommodations (Hell, I used to stay at the Miraton for as cheap as 218 / night!) , so who can blame them for partying as hard as they can. What I CAN AND WILL SAY is that this all has resulted in the situation that CP is now.
Sure, prices are much higher still in Guangzhou, SZ SHA, Beiing etc, but you have to understand that "entertainment places" are quite few and far in between there and are in those places certainly as a mere adjunct to the main regular commercial activities of the city; this is NOT the case in CP where "Entertainment Places" ARE the lifeblood of this shit hole! And competitive pressures from all these new places opening up SHOULD HAVE ALREADY put a lid on the price rise / service and quality going down phenomena. But the fact of the matter is that there's just plain too many ever increasing numbers of mongers coming over, throwing money around!
And all these rumors starting just a couple years or so ago, about all the Singapore Taowkay's and Malaysian Datuks paying RMB 30K / month to keep some scabby li'l gal in CP; SHIT! This particular rumour has taken a life all of its own and has really played a big part to drive prices up and make service go down to shits. You see, girls now are thinking that they can do better than take crap from customers for the mere few hundreds a night and 'acts up' even with their mommies, something that even a few years back most girls would not even dare contemplate doing.
Please understand that I am NOT trying to fault anybody; I know things like this just happens, but you all can, and hopefully, would try to your best to at least try to do your part and stop being so 'generous' when in CP; trust me, throwing money around is not going to make your bonk any better! LOL!
My apologies if I offended anybody, but this is a heartfelt plea to ALL of you to please consider doing something ON YOUR OWN PART! Please do something to stop this crap that's happening in CP now; CP still remains a semblance of a Man's paradise, and it's not YET too late to do all our own part to keep it this way. And hopefully to even reverse the rot.
Thanks for reading this.
SEAJThumbs up for the post.
Thanks for the advice Joe, I will keep it in my mind once I get here.
Who knows maybe will be even able to convince the girl to pay me for sex LOL.
Alex
EastCoast11
04-02-13, 03:45
I truly hope that nobody will mind me taking on this subject of KTV and KTV girl pricing in Chang Ping these days.
Prices are going up so rapidly BUT we are instead seeing the general level of service steadily going down with girls' attitudes at the point of being ridiculous!
I have been coming over to CP for God knows how many years and doing so quite regularly; and I've seen it transform from being:
1. A place where the Hong Kong truck drivers come to spend the night (as the borders closes at night) , party on the cheap, keep their equally cheap er-nais and a place where Local Chinese would not even think to go to party at as CP was then too low class for them,
2. To where the Hong Kong / Taiwanese factory owners started to also come for its quantity and quite cheap quality, whilst inviting their Hong Kong / Taiwanese friends to come. And these new guys would then also come over themselves bringing their own set of friends. Please understand that Hong Kong / Taiwanese guys are quite fastidious when it comes to mongering and have always been good at keeping a lid on prices, demanding proper service AND getting it!
3. To the beginning of the mongers from further afield, learning the ropes from the internet and finding CP great as some of these gals also likes these foreigners; but even then, prices, quality, quantity were still OK, as these mongers do NOT throw money around / no need to do so as quite a few gals willingly go with them for their uniqueness. I'd say that this was the "Golden era" for us, about 6 or 7 or so years ago, when not only prices were great, Quality AND Service were equally great! And also the start of some more Westernized eating places (and where we'd then not need to only chow down on crap) , the nicer grocery stores (instead of just the Huaren one) , movie houses, bowling alleys, go-kart places, bars / discos etc.
4. To the start of the "foreign invasion" with a plethora of tour guides and agents holding the hands and showing all the ropes to their customers, who in turn started learning all about CP themselves.
5. And for them to then start coming over in a big way, bringing their own friends from overseas (who of course in turn also did the same) and showing off their knowledge AND worse, displaying their Big Swinging Dick ways by throwing money around. Yeah, we had supposed "leaders of the pack wannabe's" practically competing with each other in throwing money at girls, KTV's, PZL gals, etc (AND unfortunately still do) , whilst these people just held out their hands, smiling widely whilst thinking: "Sucker!"
NO I really can NOT and have no right to comment too much on this as foreigners DO come a long way, spend a lot of money doing so, spend more again staying at these ever more lavish accommodations (Hell, I used to stay at the Miraton for as cheap as 218 / night!) , so who can blame them for partying as hard as they can. What I CAN AND WILL SAY is that this all has resulted in the situation that CP is now.
Sure, prices are much higher still in Guangzhou, SZ SHA, Beiing etc, but you have to understand that "entertainment places" are quite few and far in between there and are in those places certainly as a mere adjunct to the main regular commercial activities of the city; this is NOT the case in CP where "Entertainment Places" ARE the lifeblood of this shit hole! And competitive pressures from all these new places opening up SHOULD HAVE ALREADY put a lid on the price rise / service and quality going down phenomena. But the fact of the matter is that there's just plain too many ever increasing numbers of mongers coming over, throwing money around!
And all these rumors starting just a couple years or so ago, about all the Singapore Taowkay's and Malaysian Datuks paying RMB 30K / month to keep some scabby li'l gal in CP; SHIT! This particular rumour has taken a life all of its own and has really played a big part to drive prices up and make service go down to shits. You see, girls now are thinking that they can do better than take crap from customers for the mere few hundreds a night and 'acts up' even with their mommies, something that even a few years back most girls would not even dare contemplate doing.
Please understand that I am NOT trying to fault anybody; I know things like this just happens, but you all can, and hopefully, would try to your best to at least try to do your part and stop being so 'generous' when in CP; trust me, throwing money around is not going to make your bonk any better! LOL!
My apologies if I offended anybody, but this is a heartfelt plea to ALL of you to please consider doing something ON YOUR OWN PART! Please do something to stop this crap that's happening in CP now; CP still remains a semblance of a Man's paradise, and it's not YET too late to do all our own part to keep it this way. And hopefully to even reverse the rot.
Thanks for reading this.
SEAJSEAJ,
I commend and applaud you for speaking out. What you mentioned is so true. I've been going back and forth to CP for the past four years and have noticed the same thing. It's gotten to the point where it's not as much fun for me anymore but I still go since I've made some pretty cool local friends there. Other than that with the way prices keep going up and girls attititudes getting more spoiled, it puts a big damper on partying.
SeaJoe.
You pretty much sum it up. The golden days are almost gone. You forgot to comment about how a certain individual tried to westernized some of the gals by shaving off their Bush. Most of the gals in DG / CP are much more sophisticated and learning how to be a whining biatch like their counterparts abroad.
I am glad to have seen the golden days.
Just my two rmb.
I truly hope that nobody will mind me taking on this subject of KTV and KTV girl pricing in Chang Ping these days.
Prices are going up so rapidly BUT we are instead seeing the general level of service steadily going down with girls' attitudes at the point of being ridiculous!
I have been coming over to CP for God knows how many years and doing so quite regularly; and I've seen it transform from being:
1. A place where the Hong Kong truck drivers come to spend the night (as the borders closes at night) , party on the cheap, keep their equally cheap er-nais and a place where Local Chinese would not even think to go to party at as CP was then too low class for them,
2. To where the Hong Kong / Taiwanese factory owners started to also come for its quantity and quite cheap quality, whilst inviting their Hong Kong / Taiwanese friends to come. And these new guys would then also come over themselves bringing their own set of friends. Please understand that Hong Kong / Taiwanese guys are quite fastidious when it comes to mongering and have always been good at keeping a lid on prices, demanding proper service AND getting it!
3. To the beginning of the mongers from further afield, learning the ropes from the internet and finding CP great as some of these gals also likes these foreigners; but even then, prices, quality, quantity were still OK, as these mongers do NOT throw money around / no need to do so as quite a few gals willingly go with them for their uniqueness. I'd say that this was the "Golden era" for us, about 6 or 7 or so years ago, when not only prices were great, Quality AND Service were equally great! And also the start of some more Westernized eating places (and where we'd then not need to only chow down on crap) , the nicer grocery stores (instead of just the Huaren one) , movie houses, bowling alleys, go-kart places, bars / discos etc.
4. To the start of the "foreign invasion" with a plethora of tour guides and agents holding the hands and showing all the ropes to their customers, who in turn started learning all about CP themselves.
5. And for them to then start coming over in a big way, bringing their own friends from overseas (who of course in turn also did the same) and showing off their knowledge AND worse, displaying their Big Swinging Dick ways by throwing money around. Yeah, we had supposed "leaders of the pack wannabe's" practically competing with each other in throwing money at girls, KTV's, PZL gals, etc (AND unfortunately still do) , whilst these people just held out their hands, smiling widely whilst thinking: "Sucker!"
NO I really can NOT and have no right to comment too much on this as foreigners DO come a long way, spend a lot of money doing so, spend more again staying at these ever more lavish accommodations (Hell, I used to stay at the Miraton for as cheap as 218 / night!) , so who can blame them for partying as hard as they can. What I CAN AND WILL SAY is that this all has resulted in the situation that CP is now.
Sure, prices are much higher still in Guangzhou, SZ SHA, Beiing etc, but you have to understand that "entertainment places" are quite few and far in between there and are in those places certainly as a mere adjunct to the main regular commercial activities of the city; this is NOT the case in CP where "Entertainment Places" ARE the lifeblood of this shit hole! And competitive pressures from all these new places opening up SHOULD HAVE ALREADY put a lid on the price rise / service and quality going down phenomena. But the fact of the matter is that there's just plain too many ever increasing numbers of mongers coming over, throwing money around!
And all these rumors starting just a couple years or so ago, about all the Singapore Taowkay's and Malaysian Datuks paying RMB 30K / month to keep some scabby li'l gal in CP; SHIT! This particular rumour has taken a life all of its own and has really played a big part to drive prices up and make service go down to shits. You see, girls now are thinking that they can do better than take crap from customers for the mere few hundreds a night and 'acts up' even with their mommies, something that even a few years back most girls would not even dare contemplate doing.
Please understand that I am NOT trying to fault anybody; I know things like this just happens, but you all can, and hopefully, would try to your best to at least try to do your part and stop being so 'generous' when in CP; trust me, throwing money around is not going to make your bonk any better! LOL!
My apologies if I offended anybody, but this is a heartfelt plea to ALL of you to please consider doing something ON YOUR OWN PART! Please do something to stop this crap that's happening in CP now; CP still remains a semblance of a Man's paradise, and it's not YET too late to do all our own part to keep it this way. And hopefully to even reverse the rot.
Thanks for reading this.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-02-13, 10:48
I have sort of been taken to task on another board as to the effectiveness of my appeal that I write about below. How much can we really accomplish when the client base is now so varied and vast these days.
Well, one never knows! Especially when it's about Chinese Economics 101!
For example, many businesses in China, when losing clients / faced with falling sales, instead of lowering prices to attract customers back (like we with a more Western mind-set would do) , would actually raise prices as in their mind, they need to compensate for the lost business.
Or in the case of how they treat good returning customers. We of a more Western Mind set would usually go out of our way to treat such customers better / give them more / give them discounts etc in order to retain them as clients. Well, how many times have you found out that "new customers" get better deals than you the long term patron? Whether it's at a KTV where newbies are attracted in by special packages (which they never tell you about) or place an order at a factory and NOT be privileged with lower prices then available to new orders? Examples of this stupid practice by Chinese businesses go on and on!
The way they think is that since you come back to them time and time again, they must have priced their goods / services to you TOO cheap! That since you ALWAYS come back to them, that you're not able to find any better deals.
Well, this kind of thinking is especially prevalent amongst CP practitioners, and thus the reason why I many times will avoid using the same KTV mommy or sauna manager too often. These smug harlots and bums!
I am just suggesting that Y'all will just be a bit circumspect and more careful with your Red Maos when you are in CP! I mean, look at even (many of) our favorite hunting ground Pozolim, charging RMB 79 per hour? WOT!
I can get perfectly good footsies in Shenzhen, Guangdong and even Shanghai for less than that, way less! Even circa RMB 30 at still quite decent places. Its the habits of too many guys who will just go along with their stupid bill padding practices like the ridiculous Herb foot bath at what RMB 15 (?) extra? For powder you don't even know made of what!
And this always pressuring you for a second, third etc hours, or be convinced to "buy them out" when they'll just Fly Plane you, or ask for rates over and above even KTV gal rate to actually 'spend time' with you. Time that you've already paid for in the first place! I mean it's us going along with all this nonsense that's convincing these vultures to keep gouging us deeper and deeper!
And then these guys who would go to a KTV and sit 4, 5 even 8 girls I one time saw! I mean, yeah, OK, sit a couple girls and try the ploy of getting them to 'fight over you' or perhaps even a double-fly later on. But sitting 8 girls? Christ! What, you're going to boing all 8 of them? Or you got to show how much of a Big Swinging Dick you are? Whilst everybody else thinks you're just a Shabei? And the rest of the guys on slow boil as they know that they've got to share the bill at the end of the evening!
When you sit 8 girls, you're taking away 7 extra girls from the girl pool and create an artificial shortage! And will of course contribute to just that one more reason for these KTV operators to charge more! And BTW, new KTV's attract girls to 'Jump ship' to them by setting THEIR girl rate higher. They know that if they can have the supposed 'cream of the crop' this will attract the customers to switch to them. So what do WE do? We actually do go to the new place and end up paying the extra 100, 200 or whatever to sit the same exact girl we had sat in their previous KTV! In effect, we end up footing ALL the bill for the KTV operator to build up his business and for the girl to get more $$ for doing the same exact thing (or even less as I truly feel that the level of service / attitude have taken a a drastic downturn just as the prices have been rising!)
Well, as for reversing the trend, like I said one never knows! But at least if all of us practice a bit of self-restraint, then HOPEFULLY this trend of ever higher prices accompanied by ever lower standard of service / bad attitude could at least be stopped or delayed. Don't let these dregs from CP cow us into submission!
I remember clearly 3 or 4 years ago when the Swan Lake BBS mommies tried to maintain their CNY ST prices at 250 (from the old 200) , a bunch of us from this very board had sort of organized ourselves and refused to go along and eventually the price did come back down. Not the case last year and thus nowadays that 250 SWL / Yalan price stuck, even though one can still bargain for a BBS girl for 150 from behind the Lucky or from the Pimp Mommies in front of PZL. Perhaps just too many Big Swinging Dicks nowadays not caring and just wanting to have a blast; for after all, what is an extra 50 or 100 to them?
The same even when Mayflower first opened up and they tried to raise the 2-5-8 price which has been derigeur for many many years. Most guys at that time refused to take the higher priced girls and thus most of the gals there priced themselves at 2-5-8; and I remember many of the supposed model / higher priced gal would change their tag to indicate the lower 2-5-8 price at 8 pm, as they realize that the only way they could get a sitting for the evening is if they did lower their price.
So please don't short-change our own ability to dictate the terms as patrons, even in CP! Like it or not, without us patrons, all these lavish pleasure places are going to suck wind! You're doing the spending, you should have the choice.
Just my own POV and heartfelt suggestion.
SEAJ
A heartfelt appeal to all of you. Thank you!AMEN!
Very well colcluded.
I have sort of been taken to task on another board as to the effectiveness of my appeal that I write about below. How much can we really accomplish when the client base is now so varied and vast these days.
Well, one never knows! Especially when it's about Chinese Economics 101!
For example, many businesses in China, when losing clients / faced with falling sales, instead of lowering prices to attract customers back (like we with a more Western mind-set would do) , would actually raise prices as in their mind, they need to compensate for the lost business.
Or in the case of how they treat good returning customers. We of a more Western Mind set would usually go out of our way to treat such customers better / give them more / give them discounts etc in order to retain them as clients. Well, how many times have you found out that "new customers" get better deals than you the long term patron? Whether it's at a KTV where newbies are attracted in by special packages (which they never tell you about) or place an order at a factory and NOT be privileged with lower prices then available to new orders? Examples of this stupid practice by Chinese businesses go on and on!
The way they think is that since you come back to them time and time again, they must have priced their goods / services to you TOO cheap! That since you ALWAYS come back to them, that you're not able to find any better deals.
Well, this kind of thinking is especially prevalent amongst CP practitioners, and thus the reason why I many times will avoid using the same KTV mommy or sauna manager too often. These smug harlots and bums!
I am just suggesting that Y'all will just be a bit circumspect and more careful with your Red Maos when you are in CP! I mean, look at even (many of) our favorite hunting ground Pozolim, charging RMB 79 per hour? WOT!
I can get perfectly good footsies in Shenzhen, Guangdong and even Shanghai for less than that, way less! Even circa RMB 30 at still quite decent places. Its the habits of too many guys who will just go along with their stupid bill padding practices like the ridiculous Herb foot bath at what RMB 15 (?) extra? For powder you don't even know made of what!
And this always pressuring you for a second, third etc hours, or be convinced to "buy them out" when they'll just Fly Plane you, or ask for rates over and above even KTV gal rate to actually 'spend time' with you. Time that you've already paid for in the first place! I mean it's us going along with all this nonsense that's convincing these vultures to keep gouging us deeper and deeper!
And then these guys who would go to a KTV and sit 4, 5 even 8 girls I one time saw! I mean, yeah, OK, sit a couple girls and try the ploy of getting them to 'fight over you' or perhaps even a double-fly later on. But sitting 8 girls? Christ! What, you're going to boing all 8 of them? Or you got to show how much of a Big Swinging Dick you are? Whilst everybody else thinks you're just a Shabei? And the rest of the guys on slow boil as they know that they've got to share the bill at the end of the evening!
When you sit 8 girls, you're taking away 7 extra girls from the girl pool and create an artificial shortage! And will of course contribute to just that one more reason for these KTV operators to charge more! And BTW, new KTV's attract girls to 'Jump ship' to them by setting THEIR girl rate higher. They know that if they can have the supposed 'cream of the crop' this will attract the customers to switch to them. So what do WE do? We actually do go to the new place and end up paying the extra 100, 200 or whatever to sit the same exact girl we had sat in their previous KTV! In effect, we end up footing ALL the bill for the KTV operator to build up his business and for the girl to get more $$ for doing the same exact thing (or even less as I truly feel that the level of service / attitude have taken a a drastic downturn just as the prices have been rising!)
Well, as for reversing the trend, like I said one never knows! But at least if all of us practice a bit of self-restraint, then HOPEFULLY this trend of ever higher prices accompanied by ever lower standard of service / bad attitude could at least be stopped or delayed. Don't let these dregs from CP cow us into submission!
I remember clearly 3 or 4 years ago when the Swan Lake BBS mommies tried to maintain their CNY ST prices at 250 (from the old 200) , a bunch of us from this very board had sort of organized ourselves and refused to go along and eventually the price did come back down. Not the case last year and thus nowadays that 250 SWL / Yalan price stuck, even though one can still bargain for a BBS girl for 150 from behind the Lucky or from the Pimp Mommies in front of PZL. Perhaps just too many Big Swinging Dicks nowadays not caring and just wanting to have a blast; for after all, what is an extra 50 or 100 to them?
The same even when Mayflower first opened up and they tried to raise the 2-5-8 price which has been derigeur for many many years. Most guys at that time refused to take the higher priced girls and thus most of the gals there priced themselves at 2-5-8; and I remember many of the supposed model / higher priced gal would change their tag to indicate the lower 2-5-8 price at 8 pm, as they realize that the only way they could get a sitting for the evening is if they did lower their price.
So please don't short-change our own ability to dictate the terms as patrons, even in CP! Like it or not, without us patrons, all these lavish pleasure places are going to suck wind! You're doing the spending, you should have the choice.
Just my own POV and heartfelt suggestion.
SEAJAs a relative newbie to the scene, I will add 2 RMB worth of comments. I have been coming to China for the past 8 years or so fairly regularly (2 to 4 times per year). Did not know anything about the p4p in China and other than in my younger years had very little (married old guy) recent experience. Finally about 4-5 years ago one of the companies I do business with took me to a KTV-and a whole new world opened up. Now I look forward to each trip with anticipation and great expectations. I do the KTV's almost always, as my Sauna experiences have been disappointing. I went to CP just before CNY this year and while it was an experience (the flower streets) , it wasn't the experience I had hoped for, and I know I missed a lot of what CP had to offer. Enough history-on to the comments.
The prices in the KTV's have gone up and I know that in the beginning I tipped too much and put up with some crap I should not have. However, I also had some great service and GFE, so maybe it averages out. Mostly due to the forum I have learned a lot, and still tip, but only for very good service. My thoughts on the prices, and we have to realize that the exchange rates have eaten into our wallets also, is that the average wages in China have gone up so the average WG price will go up also. A big portion of this is supply versus demand-the more mongers visiting and reporting on their great "find", the more mongers we will have looking for that "find". More mongers competing for the same pool of talent = higher prices. Full restaurant theory-if you have people waiting in line to get into your great restaurant-raise the prices-if you still have people in line-raise them again, until you get rid of the line! Now for SEAJ, the part the Chinese don't seem to get is that if the line goes away and maybe your restaurant is not full anymore, you have two choices-lower the price or improve the food and service! They seem to want to make more from less and if we tolerate it by still standing in line, then we deserve poor food and higher prices. This seems to be the case in the more mongered areas like CP and environs. One small suggestion is that less specific information be put in the forum, and more PM's for necessary information. This might reduce the casual tourist / businessman, who don't really care what the price and service criteria is, from jumping into pool and paying some of the outrageous prices without knowing any better. I know that when I went to the Flower street in CP there were hundreds of girls, but there were also hundreds (?) of mongers picking girls. I relied upon BSDave for the prices and don't know what the room costs really were, although they seemed a bit high. However, supply and demand determine prices. Now if all the mongers would put their penis's on hold for a short time and go on strike (not going to happen!) , something could be done. However, with all the one timers coming into China and they may not care what they pay and the service and girls are far better than anything they get at home, we may be stuck with these higher prices. We are not going to educate a six figure man who is in China on his first trip with $$$ to spend on entertainment.
Enough Comments.
Very well said Joe! You took me out of lurking and out of character with my alias.
I truly hope that nobody will mind me taking on this subject of KTV and KTV girl pricing in Chang Ping these days.
Prices are going up so rapidly BUT we are instead seeing the general level of service steadily going down with girls' attitudes at the point of being ridiculous!
Thanks for reading this.
SEAJ
I totally agree. CP good for a one or 2 day trip from HK or SZ. Not so much the 7-10 Day destination anymore. You'll go broke.
LAMonkey
SeaJoe.
Most of the gals in DG / CP are much more sophisticated and learning how to be a whining biatch like their counterparts abroad.
I am glad to have seen the golden days.
Just my two rmb.
Very well said Joe! You took me out of lurking and out of character with my alias.Yeah, I haven't had a good experience at CP KTV yet. Service and attitude are horrible.
I have sort of been taken to task on another board as to the effectiveness of my appeal that I write about below. How much can we really accomplish when the client base is now so varied and vast these days.
Well, one never knows! Especially when it's about Chinese Economics 101!
For example, many businesses in China, when losing clients / faced with falling sales, instead of lowering prices to attract customers back (like we with a more Western mind-set would do) , would actually raise prices as in their mind, they need to compensate for the lost business.
SEAJFor the good of all of us visiting CP, we should not support the new KTV that charge such a high price!
EastCoast11
04-03-13, 18:17
As a relative newbie to the scene, I will add 2 RMB worth of comments. I have been coming to China for the past 8 years or so fairly regularly (2 to 4 times per year). Did not know anything about the p4p in China and other than in my younger years had very little (married old guy) recent experience. Finally about 4-5 years ago one of the companies I do business with took me to a KTV-and a whole new world opened up. Now I look forward to each trip with anticipation and great expectations. I do the KTV's almost always, as my Sauna experiences have been disappointing. I went to CP just before CNY this year and while it was an experience (the flower streets) , it wasn't the experience I had hoped for, and I know I missed a lot of what CP had to offer. Enough history-on to the comments.
The prices in the KTV's have gone up and I know that in the beginning I tipped too much and put up with some crap I should not have. However, I also had some great service and GFE, so maybe it averages out. Mostly due to the forum I have learned a lot, and still tip, but only for very good service. My thoughts on the prices, and we have to realize that the exchange rates have eaten into our wallets also, is that the average wages in China have gone up so the average WG price will go up also. A big portion of this is supply versus demand-the more mongers visiting and reporting on their great "find", the more mongers we will have looking for that "find". More mongers competing for the same pool of talent = higher prices. Full restaurant theory-if you have people waiting in line to get into your great restaurant-raise the prices-if you still have people in line-raise them again, until you get rid of the line! Now for SEAJ, the part the Chinese don't seem to get is that if the line goes away and maybe your restaurant is not full anymore, you have two choices-lower the price or improve the food and service! They seem to want to make more from less and if we tolerate it by still standing in line, then we deserve poor food and higher prices. This seems to be the case in the more mongered areas like CP and environs. One small suggestion is that less specific information be put in the forum, and more PM's for necessary information. This might reduce the casual tourist / businessman, who don't really care what the price and service criteria is, from jumping into pool and paying some of the outrageous prices without knowing any better. I know that when I went to the Flower street in CP there were hundreds of girls, but there were also hundreds (?) of mongers picking girls. I relied upon BSDave for the prices and don't know what the room costs really were, although they seemed a bit high. However, supply and demand determine prices. Now if all the mongers would put their penis's on hold for a short time and go on strike (not going to happen!) , something could be done. However, with all the one timers coming into China and they may not care what they pay and the service and girls are far better than anything they get at home, we may be stuck with these higher prices. We are not going to educate a six figure man who is in China on his first trip with $$$ to spend on entertainment.
Enough Comments.MrClen,
You're absolutely correct. There are too many first-timers and alot of second-timers
Coming into China with lots of $$$ to blow and they don't really care what they pay. That IMHO is what drives up the prices for everything.
Fast Eddie 48
04-03-13, 20:54
For the good of all of us visiting CP, we should not support the new KTV that charge such a high price!To Alextian.
I don't think KTV give a shit about you there are many new monger coming from Singapore and Malayasia every day, they don't know the price of bbs and sauna 10 yr ago they think it is a good bargin compare to what they are paying back home, don't be so naive the KTV don't miss your business they are doing well.
Fast Eddie 48
MrClen,
You're absolutely correct. There are too many first-timers and alot of second-timers
Coming into China with lots of $$$ to blow and they don't really care what they pay. That IMHO is what drives up the prices for everything.
Totally agree too but, how to avoid?
Not possible at all!
Newbies will always arrive to China and the market is only waiting for that.
Girls definately prefer first or second timers who throw their $$$ all around and has no high demands.
Sad but true.
AF
RCA Knight
04-04-13, 14:26
Now so many newbies from all over the world are trying out CP. Not just the oversea Chinese from Asia, but I see many more westerners coming over from HK or Macau or from far away lands wanting to try out CP. The info on this little place has been overwhelming in all sex sites in this 5 years or so and due to the tons of English speaking guides. I even met one Dutch speaking HK guide who is taking Dutchmen for CP tours.
This place has achieved international status so quickly. Unfortunately for us old timers, we have to spend more money to match the surging market, or we have to go more into the interior to find fresh grounds.
Among all these sad facts, just want to report my 2 first day in CP.
Day 1 :
Join a KTV party perfectly organized by BSD at Yi Hao. There were a street flower with tons (several hundred?) of girls. As usual, skiped the tall-model-class. I've choosen 2 "middle class" girls. One with a cute face, and another one with nice natural big boobs from Sichuan. End up with the big titties one for overnight : 1200 RMB (2 pop). I didn't regret it, very good caracter, almost girlfriendly.
Day 2 :
Went to MayFlower, the street flower was smaller than YiHao's (just 1 floor) , but still a great selection of girls. Just choose one girl, pretty cute and very enjoyable at games. But didn't take her home, because I felt not so good (caughing).
This is my second time in CP, and even if I'm still newbie, I've learn some good habits such as avoiding model type, looking for smiling and happy face, or not taking 3, 4 or more girls at the same time.
My opinion on this is that if you don't speak Chinese and the girl doesn't speak english (99% of the case) , then you shouldn't choose 2 girls or more. (Best would be one). Because it's impossible to spend (and focus) on 2 or more girls at the same time. Socialization is almost impossible.
I don't know the "old-good-CP-when-the-girls-were-cheap-and-good", but as far as I'm concerned, CP is still better than Shanghai or Guangzhou for example. I don't see much "laowai" in the street neither in KTV.
I'm still amazed to see lot of very pretty girls walking by the street at night (maybe KTV / BBS girls that has not been choosen? CP is definitely the place where you have to live at night and sleep during day time.
Alex
Now so many newbies from all over the world are trying out CP. Not just the oversea Chinese from Asia, but I see many more westerners coming over from HK or Macau or from far away lands wanting to try out CP. The info on this little place has been overwhelming in all sex sites in this 5 years or so and due to the tons of English speaking guides. I even met one Dutch speaking HK guide who is taking Dutchmen for CP tours.
This place has achieved international status so quickly. Unfortunately for us old timers, we have to spend more money to match the surging market, or we have to go more into the interior to find fresh grounds.I see somewhere on this forum that there are over 300, 000 members. If there are 300 K members, there must be 10 times that many readers! Figure it out, we are doing free advertising to 3 million mongers about CP and other good time places. Our success has also been our downfall! (I do say our, even though I feel I have no real right to "our" as I am such a newbie). The only suggestion I have is to limit the amount of information on the general forum and respond as necessary to PM's. Might cut down on the casual "one timers". That all said, in a country the size of China we should be able to find greener pastures-let's just not overgraze them!
I see a very recent report from Aniki88, where he paid 1200 RMB for a "middle" girl at Yi Hao. This was his second visit to CP and was escorted by BSD. I wonder if BSD knew the price he had to pay or clued him in as to what he was supposed to pay? According to the ISO 9000 chart it should have been 1000 RMB for a middle-it looks as if the prices have gone up or he paid too much, and 2 shots? Not that at my age I am good for much more than that, but does that sound commercial or what! I thought that a LT was whatever you could manage for the night until you let her go in the AM, at least that's what I have had so far with many (20/30 or more, I never counted) KTV visits. Sounds like he had ST service for LT price. I wonder what time she left?
Reading the final remarks, he still feels as if he got a good deal and was happy with what he paid and what he got, so I guess this is what we will live with in the future. He did make some good points however, not taking too many girls, etc. Mrclen
I see a very recent report from Aniki88, where he paid 1200 RMB for a "middle" girl at Yi Hao. This was his second visit to CP and was escorted by BSD. I wonder if BSD knew the price he had to pay or clued him in as to what he was supposed to pay? According to the ISO 9000 chart it should have been 1000 RMB for a middle-it looks as if the prices have gone up or he paid too much, and 2 shots? Not that at my age I am good for much more than that, but does that sound commercial or what! I thought that a LT was whatever you could manage for the night until you let her go in the AM, at least that's what I have had so far with many (20/30 or more, I never counted) KTV visits. Sounds like he had ST service for LT price. I wonder what time she left?
Reading the final remarks, he still feels as if he got a good deal and was happy with what he paid and what he got, so I guess this is what we will live with in the future. He did make some good points however, not taking too many girls, etc. MrclenHello,
1) I paid 1200 RMB directly to the girl, just before she left my room at about 10am morning (got her from around 23:30pm to 10am). (Another guy of my group managed to keep her girl until afternoon). Yes the price was something like 1000RMB for overnight (if I remember) last year at Yi Hao (my first KTV party).
2) 2 POP for me = 2 sexual relationships. In other words, we "made love" for few couple of hours from past midnight to 2. 30am / 3. 00am, then go dowstairs for eating at restaurant. Go up sleep a bit, then "made love" again at around 6. 30am to 9am something. Of course I didn't mention moments when we "talked" together (socialize time). IMHO, quality (taking our time, no hurry) is more important than quantity (shoot as much as we can within few hours : I can do that just by watching a good porn movie LOL). I don't know if the number of POP is limited.
3) Yes, I feel a got a good deal and I'm happy comparing to what I used to pay in Shanghai. 1200 RMB for "having" a pretty girl for over 10 hours is pretty reasonnable comparing to the 3, 4.5 or 6000 RMB asked in Shanghai by some escort girls. As I said, maybe because I'm "newbie"& I don't know the "old-good-CP" so I still find CP pretty cool. For veterans it maybe different.
Alex.
I see a very recent report from Aniki88, where he paid 1200 RMB for a "middle" girl at Yi Hao. This was his second visit to CP and was escorted by BSD. I wonder if BSD knew the price he had to pay or clued him in as to what he was supposed to pay? According to the ISO 9000 chart it should have been 1000 RMB for a middle-it looks as if the prices have gone up or he paid too much, and 2 shots? Not that at my age I am good for much more than that, but does that sound commercial or what! I thought that a LT was whatever you could manage for the night until you let her go in the AM, at least that's what I have had so far with many (20/30 or more, I never counted) KTV visits. Sounds like he had ST service for LT price. I wonder what time she left?
Reading the final remarks, he still feels as if he got a good deal and was happy with what he paid and what he got, so I guess this is what we will live with in the future. He did make some good points however, not taking too many girls, etc. MrclenThe ISO9000 Chart was dated Sept 2012 and is very much outdated now, especially with the opening of new Hui Mei, prices had gone up in a few KTVs in CP!
Hello,
1) I paid 1200 RMB directly to the girl, just before she left my room at about 10am morning (got her from around 23:30pm to 10am). (Another guy of my group managed to keep her girl until afternoon). Yes the price was something like 1000RMB for overnight (if I remember) last year at Yi Hao (my first KTV party).
2) 2 POP for me = 2 sexual relationships. In other words, we "made love" for few couple of hours from past midnight to 2. 30am / 3. 00am, then go dowstairs for eating at restaurant. Go up sleep a bit, then "made love" again at around 6. 30am to 9am something. Of course I didn't mention moments when we "talked" together (socialize time). IMHO, quality (taking our time, no hurry) is more important than quantity (shoot as much as we can within few hours : I can do that just by watching a good porn movie LOL). I don't know if the number of POP is limited.
3) Yes, I feel a got a good deal and I'm happy comparing to what I used to pay in Shanghai. 1200 RMB for "having" a pretty girl for over 10 hours is pretty reasonnable comparing to the 3, 4.5 or 6000 RMB asked in Shanghai by some escort girls. As I said, maybe because I'm "newbie"& I don't know the "old-good-CP" so I still find CP pretty cool. For veterans it maybe different.
Alex.Alex: All in all sounds like a good time! Considering the number of hours and the "made love" versus robotic sex, regardless of "skill", so like a fair deal! Yes the BBS's and SW's may be cheaper, but sometimes-you do get what you pay for!
SE Asia Joe
04-05-13, 15:44
to alextian.
i don't think ktv give a shit about you there are many new monger coming from singapore and malayasia every day, they don't know the price of bbs and sauna 10 yr ago they think it is a good bargin compare to what they are paying back home, don't be so naive the ktv don't miss your business they are doing well.
fast eddie 48you are for the most part quite correct, but i've also been appealing on the singapore and malaysian forums with very encouraging response.
yes, the singaporean / malaysians had been large contributors to this relentless upward spiral in prices with a corresponding lowering of the level of service and attitude; with their very free spending mode of mongering they had spoiled these cp girls. but these guys are no dummies and now that they are more familiar with chang ping, they fully realize that throwing money around does not accomplish anything and instead makes things hard for everybody including themselves. and these guys do check with each other a lot and usually go in large groups, and the discussions on their boards indicate their resolve to at least try to do their part in trying to keep a lid on things in cp. yes i am probably generalizing but i'd opine that most of these guys from se asia do check out and rtff and ask each other on their boards a lot!
so what i am saying is that we also should try to do our best; and remember, we did have a bit of success in the past when we managed to roll back the swl bbs prices back down to 200 a few years back. also remember when the mayflower tried to introduce higher rates than the 2-5-8 which was the price for a long long time, most of the mongers then refused to sit the higher priced girls and for at least a year or so, most of the girls in cp were still at 2-5-8.
and oh yeah, you're probably going to also going to remind me of the local chinese customers who nowadays are flush with money. fact of the matter is that most big shot local prc chinese still consider cp to be below their usual standards and there really is not that many local prc clients in cp. these guys as a matter of face and reputation amongst their own peers go to the more lavish ktv's in dalang, tangxia, dongcheng, houjie, and of course in sz and guangzhou. they consider cp to be below their standards!
the majority of clients in cp still remains not local prc chinese. at least not the real big shots / high government officials etc.
taiwanese and hong kong guys have always been fastidious in our spending habits, the singapore / malaysian brothers are also taking the cue. so its you guys from further afield that should also do your part.
sorry for the generlaazation etc, but desperate times calls for desperate measures! lol.
seaj
you are for the most part quite correct, but i've also been appealing on the singapore and malaysian forums with very encouraging response.
yes, the singaporean / malaysians had been large contributors to this relentless upward spiral in prices with a corresponding lowering of the level of service and attitude; with their very free spending mode of mongering they had spoiled these cp girls. but these guys are no dummies and now that they are more familiar with chang ping, they fully realize that throwing money around does not accomplish anything and instead makes things hard for everybody including themselves. and these guys do check with each other a lot and usually go in large groups, and the discussions on their boards indicate their resolve to at least try to do their part in trying to keep a lid on things in cp. yes i am probably generalizing but i'd opine that most of these guys from se asia do check out and rtff and ask each other on their boards a lot!
so what i am saying is that we also should try to do our best; and remember, we did have a bit of success in the past when we managed to roll back the swl bbs prices back down to 200 a few years back. also remember when the mayflower tried to introduce higher rates than the 2-5-8 which was the price for a long long time, most of the mongers then refused to sit the higher priced girls and for at least a year or so, most of the girls in cp were still at 2-5-8.
and oh yeah, you're probably going to also going to remind me of the local chinese customers who nowadays are flush with money. fact of the matter is that most big shot local prc chinese still consider cp to be below their usual standards and there really is not that many local prc clients in cp. these guys as a matter of face and reputation amongst their own peers go to the more lavish ktv's in dalang, tangxia, dongcheng, houjie, and of course in sz and guangzhou. they consider cp to be below their standards!
the majority of clients in cp still remains not local prc chinese. at least not the real big shots / high government officials etc.
taiwanese and hong kong guys have always been fastidious in our spending habits, the singapore / malaysian brothers are also taking the cue. so its you guys from further afield that should also do your part.
sorry for the generlaazation etc, but desperate times calls for desperate measures! lol.
seajnot much to comment on, but as you can see from my posts and comments, i think it is going to be difficult to do a class action to get this upward trend on the prices slowed, stopped, or hopefully, rolled back. your comments and great posts should apply across the complete china scene. i know that the places i go, in a smaller city, the prices are also creeping up. the ktv in my hotel when i first went there was 2/4/8 (or even a bit less, i don't remember the first prices i paid) , it is now 3/6/9, and the others i go to in the same town have increased accordingly. the first one to increase their prices seems to get the 9's and 10's flocking to it and the lower priced ones have to increase their prices to keep the girls they have. the hotel i go to, i know the owner quite well and we do some partying together, he says he manages to keep his girls because he takes a personal interest in their behavior and welfare. he provides a nice area for the girls to relax in, dress, watch tv, etc, as they are waiting to be chosen. the last time i was there with him, he had called his liquor supplier on the carpet because the girls said the "wine" was giving them all headaches. makes a difference-happy girls-happy customers. this all said, read the shanghai forum, judy's, and you'll see what i was talking about,"expensive, but i don't care".
mrclen
Fast Eddie 48
04-06-13, 20:47
you are for the most part quite correct, but i've also been appealing on the singapore and malaysian forums with very encouraging response.
yes, the singaporean / malaysians had been large contributors to this relentless upward spiral in prices with a corresponding lowering of the level of service and attitude; with their very free spending mode of mongering they had spoiled these cp girls. but these guys are no dummies and now that they are more familiar with chang ping, they fully realize that throwing money around does not accomplish anything and instead makes things hard for everybody including themselves. and these guys do check with each other a lot and usually go in large groups, and the discussions on their boards indicate their resolve to at least try to do their part in trying to keep a lid on things in cp. yes i am probably generalizing but i'd opine that most of these guys from se asia do check out and rtff and ask each other on their boards a lot!
so what i am saying is that we also should try to do our best; and remember, we did have a bit of success in the past when we managed to roll back the swl bbs prices back down to 200 a few years back. also remember when the mayflower tried to introduce higher rates than the 2-5-8 which was the price for a long long time, most of the mongers then refused to sit the higher priced girls and for at least a year or so, most of the girls in cp were still at 2-5-8.
and oh yeah, you're probably going to also going to remind me of the local chinese customers who nowadays are flush with money. fact of the matter is that most big shot local prc chinese still consider cp to be below their usual standards and there really is not that many local prc clients in cp. these guys as a matter of face and reputation amongst their own peers go to the more lavish ktv's in dalang, tangxia, dongcheng, houjie, and of course in sz and guangzhou. they consider cp to be below their standards!
the majority of clients in cp still remains not local prc chinese. at least not the real big shots / high government officials etc.
taiwanese and hong kong guys have always been fastidious in our spending habits, the singapore / malaysian brothers are also taking the cue. so its you guys from further afield that should also do your part.
sorry for the generlaazation etc, but desperate times calls for desperate measures! lol.
seajseaj,
i never say singaporean are dummies they have money to spend the same go for rich hong konger, many of my hk friend still go to cp few time a month for ktv actions they know the price is going up but that go for everywhere in china and asia, even cp have been going down hill but so is everywhere else in china cp is still a good place for mongering and i cannot find a better option yet.
fast eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
04-07-13, 07:47
Not much to comment on, but as you can see from my posts and comments, I think it is going to be difficult to do a class action to get this upward trend on the prices slowed, stopped, or hopefully, rolled back. Your comments and great posts should apply across the complete China scene. I know.
MrClenYes, what you say about what ALSO happens in other places in China is quite true – when for the most part, we customers are actually SUBSIDIZING KTV's efforts when they build / rebuild their business.
All that these KTV operators ever do is to ratchet up the girl price structure by raising the girl rates. Just so that they can attract girls to jump ship to them. These are the very same girls with rates 100 or 200 less in their old KTV! These girls go over to the new place and we lemming clients follow eagerly with our RMB's all at the ready to savor old fruit at new prices!
So basically we are the ones fully subsidizing their business building. And girls who are primarily attracted by higher rates are usually totally mercenary and are those who will give the worst service accompanied by a crap attitude; in effect we end up paying more for worse service / attitude.
China Economics 101!
Instead of always concentrating on short term profits and positive income from the very first day of operations like businesses elsewhere, why can't they sacrifice some short term profits in order to build up a real long term profit strategy.
- Why can't new operators set each girl's rates at exactly the same as what she was charging at her old place; but that the company / Mommy cut be lowered, and thus allowing the girl to make a bit more for doing the same thing.
- And instead of just fining the girls for even the most innocent of mistakes, that they should also have a system of pay incentives for achievement, favorable assessment from actual client's comments / recommendations, repeat customer requests for her to sit with him (instead of right now when most girls will NOT report back to their mommies when getting such repeat clients / would just report sick or code red or whatever; this should be an incentive for the girl to get the client to come back to the KTV and spend money there instead of elsewhere).
- Institute a system to reward repeat clients (frequency card, points card etc) instead of the way it is most times right now, when mommies will instead take advantage of their clients as they have this stupid smug attitude that if one is a repeat client, that she's more important to him than he is to her.
- Have special offers by email or text messages etc for these clients instead of only offering such to new clients.
And the list goes on and on as to how business SHOULD be done to build up long term patronage and custom instead of just this tactic to totally fleece us consumers in order for them to make money. (My very own Pipe dream I suppose!)
Please do your part to top this fleecing. Yeah CP remains one of the last few places in southern China which is a Man's paradise, but it doesn't mean that we should allow these sharks to keep on taking advantage of us all.
If things don't change, pretty soon more and more mongers will be totally turned off by the high prices and bad attitude and stay away in droves.
And this whole Man Paradise is going to turn into a ghost town.
Nobody wins!
SEAJ
Yes, what you say about what ALSO happens in other places in China is quite true – when for the most part, we customers are actually SUBSIDIZING KTV's efforts when they build / rebuild their business.
All that these KTV operators ever do is to ratchet up the girl price structure by raising the girl rates. Just so that they can attract girls to jump ship to them. These are the very same girls with rates 100 or 200 less in their old KTV! These girls go over to the new place and we lemming clients follow eagerly with our RMB's all at the ready to savor old fruit at new prices!
So basically we are the ones fully subsidizing their business building. And girls who are primarily attracted by higher rates are usually totally mercenary and are those who will give the worst service accompanied by a crap attitude; in effect we end up paying more for worse service / attitude.
China Economics 101!
Instead of always concentrating on short term profits and positive income from the very first day of operations like businesses elsewhere, why can't they sacrifice some short term profits in order to build up a real long term profit strategy.
- Why can't new operators set each girl's rates at exactly the same as what she was charging at her old place; but that the company / Mommy cut be lowered, and thus allowing the girl to make a bit more for doing the same thing.
- And instead of just fining the girls for even the most innocent of mistakes, that they should also have a system of pay incentives for achievement, favorable assessment from actual client's comments / recommendations, repeat customer requests for her to sit with him (instead of right now when most girls will NOT report back to their mommies when getting such repeat clients / would just report sick or code red or whatever; this should be an incentive for the girl to get the client to come back to the KTV and spend money there instead of elsewhere).
- Institute a system to reward repeat clients (frequency card, points card etc) instead of the way it is most times right now, when mommies will instead take advantage of their clients as they have this stupid smug attitude that if one is a repeat client, that she's more important to him than he is to her.
- Have special offers by email or text messages etc for these clients instead of only offering such to new clients.
And the list goes on and on as to how business SHOULD be done to build up long term patronage and custom instead of just this tactic to totally fleece us consumers in order for them to make money. (My very own Pipe dream I suppose!)
Please do your part to top this fleecing. Yeah CP remains one of the last few places in southern China which is a Man's paradise, but it doesn't mean that we should allow these sharks to keep on taking advantage of us all.
If things don't change, pretty soon more and more mongers will be totally turned off by the high prices and bad attitude and stay away in droves.
And this whole Man Paradise is going to turn into a ghost town.
Nobody wins!
SEAJJust read in the NY Times that a new hotel is going to be built in Guangzhou, and they have plans for 10 more in China. The "W", I don't know if you are familiar with them, but it's way upscale, so there go the prices again! There is a W in Las Vegas and it is the most expensive there, or right at the top end.
Being realistic, we both know that the girls are not going to do repeat customer or incentive programs. This has to come from the establishment! If the prices go up, the commissions for the mommy's go up, assuming the percentages remain the same-they are not going to want to give that back. It's got to come from the top down, never from the bottom up! So, as I see it, the only place where anything like this could work is room costs, and food and drink costs. To get a reduction in girl costs, especially KTV girls where they may only have one customer per night, the girls would have to be somewhat desperate to reduce prices, which will only happen if they don't have enough customers at the KTV. Remember, one customer at 1200 or 1500 is worth more than two at 600 or 750, and a hell of a lot less work! It's all about how much ends up in their pocket.
Sooo, the KTV prices for the room and drinks get reduced-the one that does this starts to get more customers (girl prices remain the same) , other KTV's see that reduced prices mean more customers and more rooms full more often. The girls are then more assured of customers, either sitting fees or other fees. More girls will come to that KTV for assured business and $$. The other KTV see the handwriting and you may get a domino effect which eventually could result in reduced girl prices. We just have to remember that these girls need to make a living and they need to make what is fair without ripping off their customers.
For what it's worth, and remember, this will not happened unless the more expensive ones begin to show a drop in incoming $$ and profits!
Jim Traveller
04-08-13, 02:25
tried the new hui mei tian lun last night. place is still quite smelly with fresh paint. you can get high just being in there for an hour or two. there were only 24 rooms opened last night and flower street had a total of around 200 girls. their offical grand opening will be on april 1st and i was told 4th floor will be open with total 95 ktv rooms and over 1000 girls working that day.been to hui mei tian lun sanua on march 29. the place was a confused joint with dozens of "managers" swarming the floor looking busy. as to the girls. ugly with a capital u. i am resigned to the fact that any new places will raise prices to attract top talent. being a new 5-star, i expected high prices. but i also expected to see above average talent. the result. i saw shiny new places but with talents far below average and prices far above average, there is little room to choose. i gave in when, after much ado, the manager presented a y1000 girl that looked like. looked like. looked like. oh i am speechless. she was tall and plump like a nazi concentration camp guard that you'd see in movies. imagine, rmb 1000 for a movie star!
no i did not throw up. i left the place without uttering another word. grimly determined, i shall not return.
in my next life, if i fail to be tall, rich and handsome, let me at least be blessed with bad taste in women. if i like them fat and ugly, i would enjoy hui mei tian lun. brothers out there. please tell us what you find at hui mei. was what i saw just a statistical accident? i am sure some brothers out there must have enjoyed hui mei tian lun, or this new place would go under. or, would it?
SE Asia Joe
04-08-13, 06:34
Just read in the NY Times that a new hotel is going to be built in Guangzhou, and they have plans for 10 more in China. The "W", I don't know if you are familiar with them, but it's way upscale, so there go the prices again! There is a W in Las Vegas and it is the most expensive there, or right at the top end.
Being realistic, we both know that the girls are not going to do repeat customer or incentive programs. This has to come from the establishment. For what it's worth, and remember, this will not happened unless the more expensive ones begin to show a drop in incoming $$ and profits!Chinese run hotels have a different revenue model vs. Western run chain hotels.
Most Chinese hotels do NOT rely on room revenue for profits and instead rely on their KTV, sauna and even footsy operation for such. They would either lease out such places to operators who are willing to pay hefty rents or else operate it themselves but at arm's length.
If you notice, a lot of these hotel KTV's / Saunas, would actually even have separate entrances so as to NOT endanger the hotel operations when the KTV / sauna get raided etc.
As for Jim traveller's report about HMTL. This is the same feedback I am getting from friends as well as other forums. Prices jacked up for the same girls one used to get at other places for cheaper, with service and attitude way down. I even heard of one hapless customer actually getting bitten hard (enough to get a nasty bruise / near to drawing blood) by his gal there out of a simple, no big deal disagreement about something.
Chang Ping is really going down the shits. More and more overpriced, nasty, ugly, screaming, biting banshees!
Oh for the good ole days!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-08-13, 17:21
Like it or not, Hong Kong and Taiwan mongers comprise the largest majority of clients in Chang Ping to date. And we from Hong Kong and Taiwan have been enduring a double whammy as far as Prices are concerned; the actual price rises AND the fact that our currency have effectively depreciated by approximately 30% during the past couple or so years.
I don't know how the syndicates bringing girls in manage it, but mongering in Hong Kong have only gone up 10. 15% during the same period; and when one considers the cost of transport, hotel, meals etc, the prices in CP is no longer that favorable. Yes, its a totally different experience / partying, but I know for a fact that a lot of my friends have now started to come to CP a lot less. And their MAIN complaint is actually not the pricing per se, but that the girls are getting to be such hard nosed biatches that its really not that much fun as before.
Even in my small circle of mongering friends from Hong Kong, I've had invitations to go back to our old hunting grounds Dapeng, Nam O, Danshui, Huizhou even the "Longgang / Fengang / Tangxia / Qingxi corridor" (that used to be OK) to search for "new grounds," but have yet to take up their invite, even though they report back quite favorably.
Then there are the Low Cost airlines which brings us to Angeles City, even Bangkok, for next to nothing which further encourages us to give CP a miss.
And the fact that for the past couple years, Taiwanese no longer need to go via Hong Kong to go to China and nowadays just fly straight from Taiwan to the city they want to go to in China directly (thus making side trips to CP a less likely occurrence for them)
Can CP still go on with less and less Taiwanese / Hong Kong mongers coming over?
Unlike other places around here, CP relies practically totally on the mongering trade for its viability.
Just another tangent to the discussion.
SEAJ
Chris Peterson
04-09-13, 00:16
Chinese run hotels have a different revenue model vs. Western run chain hotels.
Most Chinese hotels do NOT rely on room revenue for profits and instead rely on their KTV, sauna and even footsy operation for such. They would either lease out such places to operators who are willing to pay hefty rents or else operate it themselves but at arm's length.
If you notice, a lot of these hotel KTV's / Saunas, would actually even have separate entrances so as to NOT endanger the hotel operations when the KTV / sauna get raided etc.
As for Jim traveller's report about HMTL. This is the same feedback I am getting from friends as well as other forums. Prices jacked up for the same girls one used to get at other places for cheaper, with service and attitude way down. I even heard of one hapless customer actually getting bitten hard (enough to get a nasty bruise / near to drawing blood) by his gal there out of a simple, no big deal disagreement about something.
Chang Ping is really going down the shits. More and more overpriced, nasty, ugly, screaming, biting banshees!
Oh for the good ole days!
SEAJGuys: I am thinking of going to Changping for the first time ever in late May. I'm 32, from the US, have spent a good deal of time in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Thailand. On this trip my itinerary is Beijing, Chongqing then MAYBE Changping, then to the Philippines for the first time. Well, from RTFF, it seems like Beijing and Chongqing are "not what they used to be" as mongering destinations, which is fine as I'll be busy with friends and practicing my Mandarin skills. I thought I'd hit up on Changping and get what I'll be missing out on in BJ and CQ, but I see a lot more of the "good old days". Should I say hell with it and move on to the Philippines? I do have a thing for light skin Chinese girls (not that there is anything wrong with SE ASIAN LBFM).
Any CP newbie advice would be appreciated, and if anyone wants to hang last week of May, PM me.
SE Asia Joe
04-09-13, 05:15
Guys: I am thinking of going to Changping for the first time ever in late May. I'm 32, from the US, have. I thought I'd hit up on Changping and get what I'll be missing out on in BJ and CQ, but I see a lot more of the "good old days". Should I say hell with it and move on to the Philippines? I do have a thing for light skin Chinese girls (not that there is anything wrong with SE ASIAN LBFM).
Any CP newbie advice would be appreciated, and if anyone wants to hang last week of May, PM me.LOL!
Nah, don't listen TOO MUCH to the rantings of a lone frustrated monger who's getting to be too jaded with the ridiculous price increases coupled with an equivalent erosion of service and quantity / quality of girls!
Chang Ping still remains THE 'Man's Paradise, ' albeit at more cost and crappier girls / attitudes etc and it should remain so for at least the short term; so you really should haul your ass here pronto and experience it all before it really does go all to hell! Then you'll be the one who can reminisce about the Good Ole Days!
It's the cavalier attitude of these businesses in Chang Ping that really gets to me; taking it for granted that us mongers will just fall in line to beat a path to their doors, no matter what crap they offer. And of course the girls now totally spoilt by those mongers who make up for their lack of any other redeeming factors by throwing money around! The archetypical Zeros at home, Heroes in Chang Ping!
So, come on over guy! Just don't let any of us catch you acting like a Big Swinging Dick! LOL.
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
04-09-13, 06:22
As most of you have read in the forum lately, WG prices are sky-rocketing throughout CP and it is mainly due to the tactics of the new hotel (Hui Mei Tian Lun. HMTL) trying to lure girls to work there. The pricing for their girls are 3-8-12; 4-10-16; 5-15-20; and 6-18-25. Yesterday was my second time taking customers there and it is not good. Yet! There were probably less than 100 girls that were in the 3 category, about 100 girls in the 4 category, about 60 in the 5 category, and 1 in the 6 category. I saw many girls I recognized that have worked at other KTVs, a girl that was at Yihao at the 3-6-1 category, and is now a 3-8-12 at HMTL, another one from Fuhao that was a 3-7-11 is now a 4-10-16, another one from Mayflower that was a 3-6-1 is now a 5-15-20, is this ridiculous or what? For the newbies coming here, they have no clue but for the guys that are regulars (I consider guys that comes once or twice a year a regular) , is very disheartening to see that prices has absolutely gone out of whack! The sad part about it is that people just complains but does nothing about it and continues to sit multiple girls, allow girls to leave early, tipping for mediocre or outright poor service, is just ludicrous. I got the second biggest room in HMTL last night and just the damn room fee was a whopping 868RMB plus 10% service fee. Ridiculous! Also 4 DJs in the room? Ridiculous! And the manager said they have a very small allowance on complementary food and alcohol. Crazy!
Unfortunately, HMTL's tactic of alluring the girls to the new hotel has caused a domino affect in CP, as of April 1st, Fuhao said again changed the WG pricing from 3-6-9 (no change) .3-6-1 to 3-7-11, 3-7-11 to 4-8-12, 4-10-15 to 5-12-18. Hello guys, the chicks are the same! Yes gasoline is the same and we are paying for more but this is getting ridiculous. Less than a year ago the Fuhao girls were 2-5-8, 3-6-9, and 3-7-11. (Fuhao girls. Guys! Come on!)
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSD
Heard that EuroAsia has upped their prices starting 1st April to below :-
4th Floor. 3,8. 12 from 3, 7.10.
3rd Floor. 4,10, 15 from 4, 10, 12.
2nd Floor. 5,15, 20 (Model)
2nd Floor. 6,16, 22 (Model Swimsuit)
2nd Floor. 7,19, 26 (Super Model)
Can anyone confirm? Man these prices are outrageous! Some of the 4th floor porkchops cannot even compare with the BBS girls which can be had for rmb 150-200. Just because there is a so called 6 star new Tian Lun hotel opening the KTV's are jacking up their prices in the hope of retaining the working girls. Can't even imagine whats the price Prince hotel and the new hotel sitting fees will be.
I am boycotting these so called high class hotels which thinks we are carrot heads thinking with our dicks. If they don't have enough business, the girls will not earn enough and they will naturally run back to the other places which has customers.
Hope you brothers out there can support for prices to go back to last year which is still reasonable.
Instead of always concentrating on short term profits and positive income from the very first day of operations like businesses elsewhere, why can't they sacrifice some short term profits in order to build up a real long term profit strategy.
SEAJI've found the 3rd world mindset is typically ME, NOW! There is no long term or proactive thinking. Just like the environment here, someone will fix it later.
Fast Eddie 48
04-09-13, 20:08
Guys: I am thinking of going to Changping for the first time ever in late May. I'm 32, from the US, have spent a good deal of time in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Thailand. On this trip my itinerary is Beijing, Chongqing then MAYBE Changping, then to the Philippines for the first time. Well, from RTFF, it seems like Beijing and Chongqing are "not what they used to be" as mongering destinations, which is fine as I'll be busy with friends and practicing my Mandarin skills. I thought I'd hit up on Changping and get what I'll be missing out on in BJ and CQ, but I see a lot more of the "good old days". Should I say hell with it and move on to the Philippines? I do have a thing for light skin Chinese girls (not that there is anything wrong with SE ASIAN LBFM).
Any CP newbie advice would be appreciated, and if anyone wants to hang last week of May, PM me.To Chris
I been going to CP and PI Angeles city and Cebu every yr for 12 yr and I am also from the US California, both place price is going up every year, but price is still much cheaper than Hong kong and the US and the USD is also down vs the RMB and Peso you will still have a good time just try not to overpaid.
Fast Eddie 48
BSD.
The prices and attitudes of these KTV / WG is just getting pretty outrageous. The club owners are not going to roll back prices nor demand these gals gives better service. The prices and attitude of yesteryear are gone. I spend very little going out with clients / friends to DG / CP these days. I rather spend time with some of these sex starved er nais / mistress in a hotel suite for the evening. Their attitudes are great and the gifts they buy me are pretty outrageous. Giving them some tlc goes a long way for me. The pleasure I receive back is priceless and the evening cost me zero.
The scenes and experience of yesteryear is gone on the coast. You may still be able to find good service and attitude of the WG as you go west into the interior.
Just my two rmb.
As most of you have read in the forum lately, WG prices are sky-rocketing throughout CP and it is mainly due to the tactics of the new hotel (Hui Mei Tian Lun. HMTL) trying to lure girls to work there. The pricing for their girls are 3-8-12; 4-10-16; 5-15-20; and 6-18-25. Yesterday was my second time taking customers there and it is not good. Yet! There were probably less than 100 girls that were in the 3 category, about 100 girls in the 4 category, about 60 in the 5 category, and 1 in the 6 category. I saw many girls I recognized that have worked at other KTVs, a girl that was at Yihao at the 3-6-1 category, and is now a 3-8-12 at HMTL, another one from Fuhao that was a 3-7-11 is now a 4-10-16, another one from Mayflower that was a 3-6-1 is now a 5-15-20, is this ridiculous or what? For the newbies coming here, they have no clue but for the guys that are regulars (I consider guys that comes once or twice a year a regular) , is very disheartening to see that prices has absolutely gone out of whack! The sad part about it is that people just complains but does nothing about it and continues to sit multiple girls, allow girls to leave early, tipping for mediocre or outright poor service, is just ludicrous. I got the second biggest room in HMTL last night and just the damn room fee was a whopping 868RMB plus 10% service fee. Ridiculous! Also 4 DJs in the room? Ridiculous! And the manager said they have a very small allowance on complementary food and alcohol. Crazy!
Unfortunately, HMTL's tactic of alluring the girls to the new hotel has caused a domino affect in CP, as of April 1st, Fuhao said again changed the WG pricing from 3-6-9 (no change).3-6-1 to 3-7-11, 3-7-11 to 4-8-12, 4-10-15 to 5-12-18. Hello guys, the chicks are the same! Yes gasoline is the same and we are paying for more but this is getting ridiculous. Less than a year ago the Fuhao girls were 2-5-8, 3-6-9, and 3-7-11. (Fuhao girls. Guys! Come on!)
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
04-10-13, 04:58
As most of you have read in the forum lately, WG prices are sky-rocketing throughout CP and it is mainly due to.
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSDI salute you and others here who are indeed trying to at least arrest this sharp decline in service / attitude coupled with the equally sharp increases in prices all around in CP; I will of course do everything I can to support your effort.
But please make sure that whatever you come up with is going to be close to fool-proof for unlike this board with our more mature and sensible members, many others are full of just plain ole juveniles and who's only mantra when out mongering is 'Hoes before bros. '
As you know, I've campaigned for moderation on these other boards and SOME (not all) of the responses I have received has not only been surprising, it is truly startling in its idiocy and self-centeredness.
There are those from the archetypical Zeros (when at home) to Heroes (when in Chang Ping, savoring throwing dosh around to make up for their otherwise lack of other redeeming factors) who proudly announces that they'll continue their profligate ways, and that those who cannot afford it should just stay away! And then the shrill voices of those suffused by the saccharine sycophancy of ones who profit from these idiots, truly amazing!
A couple guys even actually announces that they always get multiple girls so that they can be assured of ONE who would eventually go out with them at the end of the evening. Sad, truly sad that they could so proudly proclaim that they really are that obnoxious, to require such measures!
Unlike many of us who have been regulars to Chang Ping for a long time, there are many others who only knows to come and take full advantage of everything, and To Hell With Everybody Else. They come when the going's good and will move on elsewhere when it all goes to hell.
Tread carefully Dave – too many wankers out there!
SEAJ
As most of you have read in the forum lately, WG prices are sky-rocketing throughout CP and it is mainly due to the tactics of the new hotel (Hui Mei Tian Lun. HMTL) trying to lure girls to work there. The pricing for their girls are 3-8-12; 4-10-16; 5-15-20; and 6-18-25. Yesterday was my second time taking customers there and it is not good. Yet! There were probably less than 100 girls that were in the 3 category, about 100 girls in the 4 category, about 60 in the 5 category, and 1 in the 6 category. I saw many girls I recognized that have worked at other KTVs, a girl that was at Yihao at the 3-6-1 category, and is now a 3-8-12 at HMTL, another one from Fuhao that was a 3-7-11 is now a 4-10-16, another one from Mayflower that was a 3-6-1 is now a 5-15-20, is this ridiculous or what? For the newbies coming here, they have no clue but for the guys that are regulars (I consider guys that comes once or twice a year a regular) , is very disheartening to see that prices has absolutely gone out of whack! The sad part about it is that people just complains but does nothing about it and continues to sit multiple girls, allow girls to leave early, tipping for mediocre or outright poor service, is just ludicrous. I got the second biggest room in HMTL last night and just the damn room fee was a whopping 868RMB plus 10% service fee. Ridiculous! Also 4 DJs in the room? Ridiculous! And the manager said they have a very small allowance on complementary food and alcohol. Crazy!
Unfortunately, HMTL's tactic of alluring the girls to the new hotel has caused a domino affect in CP, as of April 1st, Fuhao said again changed the WG pricing from 3-6-9 (no change).3-6-1 to 3-7-11, 3-7-11 to 4-8-12, 4-10-15 to 5-12-18. Hello guys, the chicks are the same! Yes gasoline is the same and we are paying for more but this is getting ridiculous. Less than a year ago the Fuhao girls were 2-5-8, 3-6-9, and 3-7-11. (Fuhao girls. Guys! Come on!)
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSDOK. A very important suggestion! As you handle many newbies to CP and with your area of expertise, you have to take the responsibility to explain to them the "deal", what to expect, what to pay, how to handle, how to treat the girl, etc, etc. If you don't do your job, and make things clear, then the newbie is going to just throw the dollars at it and nothing will be accomplished! BUT, the newbie's will still be happy with the price and the mediocre service they got because they don't know any better, and whatever they got was / is better than they get on their home turf. If you don't explain to them, and even your,"regulars", what to expect and demand, you are just perpetrating the situation of prices up and quality down. Just remember demand and supply! I do speak from experience and know that a more proactive approach will help-the "let's wait and see" approach is counter productive.
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSDI concur with BSD, even though I've not gone to CP for a while now due to busy work schedules. However BSD is going to game the system, I'm on and I'll support. Just don't ask me to sign a petition or something to that effect. Heh.
I go to Zhuhai on an occasional basis for work, prices used to skyrocket till the 500-600s range till Macau and CP started drawing all the girls (and customers) away. Now after major crackdowns, and after all the customers decided that a short walk over to Macau is a much better spend for the money, prices for streetwalkers are now back in the 300s range and they now aim to please. Deflation DOES and CAN happen.
Cloud Palms
04-14-13, 15:01
There are those from the archetypical Zeros (when at home) to Heroes (when in Chang Ping, savoring throwing dosh around to make up for their otherwise lack of other redeeming factors) who proudly announces that they'll continue their profligate ways, and that those who cannot afford it should just stay away! And then the shrill voices of those suffused by the saccharine sycophancy of ones who profit from these idiots, truly amazing!
A couple guys even actually announces that they always get multiple girls so that they can be assured of ONE who would eventually go out with them at the end of the evening. Sad, truly sad that they could so proudly proclaim that they really are that obnoxious, to require such measures!don't even need to take them back in the first place, if they don't like you chances are the service is going to be terrible anyway and you might as well go to sauna instead, screw this 3-7-11 bullshit. Take them out if the vibe is good all around and make them earn their money, if not find other measures or wait another day (or another trip). Guy I recently met rocking an awesome beard picked a fun girl but he got so drunk at the end he couldn't even stand much less do an all nighter. So he did the smart thing and sent her back at the end when we were outside waiting for taxis and saved his cash for another day. Real fun part was watching her cry and throw a tantrum by not getting taken out, much better entertainment than singing or dice!
don't even need to take them back in the first place, if they don't like you chances are the service is going to be terrible anyway and you might as well go to sauna instead, screw this 3-7-11 bullshit. Take them out if the vibe is good all around and make them earn their money, if not find other measures or wait another day (or another trip). Guy I recently met rocking an awesome beard picked a fun girl but he got so drunk at the end he couldn't even stand much less do an all nighter. So he did the smart thing and sent her back at the end when we were outside waiting for taxis and saved his cash for another day. Real fun part was watching her cry and throw a tantrum by not getting taken out, much better entertainment than singing or dice!I think your attitude was a bit cold and I kind of understand from the girls point of view. She spent her little money time with this guy and when it was time to go to the hotel for some bigger money time he folded. So she was upset that her 1100 night turned out to be a 300 night and maybe, just maybe (but I kind of doubt it) , she really wanted to fxxk. If you were smart and could have handled it, you may have been able to get a deal from her to help her "save" her night?
I guess I really don't understand the guys taking a girl who does not want to go out, assuming they want a take out. I always specify up front that I want the girl to go out, back to the hotel and almost always for LT, and have never been turned down. I was not able to make that clear in CP as I was with BSD, but still, every girl I picked, in four KTV's, was OK with going out. Even the one night when I picked two, they both wanted to go even though I told them I was only taking one. Just Info-I am an "old" guy but neat, clean, not fat but I would like to lose 10 pounds, and always treat the girls with respect. Maybe that makes a difference? Also, the "too big" thing does not apply to me, merely average, and if they don't believe it I offer to take it out and show them-this always stops the too big crap.
Just as a aside-I really enjoy reading SEAJ's posts and even though I don't frequent his normal stomping grounds, I will do everything possible to support him and his concerns in the area I do play in. Some day I would like to meet him and other members of the forum-I'm sure they could teach this "old Guy" a few new tricks.
Worldguy72
04-15-13, 06:07
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSDLOL Dave I like that Walmart in CP Rollback Price Savings. Lets do it!
Cloud Palms
04-15-13, 13:14
I think your attitude was a bit cold and I kind of understand from the girls point of view. She spent her little money time with this guy and when it was time to go to the hotel for some bigger money time he folded. So she was upset that her 1100 night turned out to be a 300 night and maybe, just maybe (but I kind of doubt it) , she really wanted to fxxk. If you were smart and could have handled it, you may have been able to get a deal from her to help her "save" her night?
I guess I really don't understand the guys taking a girl who does not want to go out, assuming they want a take out. I always specify up front that I want the girl to go out, back to the hotel and almost always for LT, and have never been turned down. I was not able to make that clear in CP as I was with BSD, but still, every girl I picked, in four KTV's, was OK with going out. Even the one night when I picked two, they both wanted to go even though I told them I was only taking one. Just Info-I am an "old" guy but neat, clean, not fat but I would like to lose 10 pounds, and always treat the girls with respect. Maybe that makes a difference? Also, the "too big" thing does not apply to me, merely average, and if they don't believe it I offer to take it out and show them-this always stops the too big crap.
Just as a aside-I really enjoy reading SEAJ's posts and even though I don't frequent his normal stomping grounds, I will do everything possible to support him and his concerns in the area I do play in. Some day I would like to meet him and other members of the forum-I'm sure they could teach this "old Guy" a few new tricks.Given your seniority I and others will respect your views, however you seem new to CP and as Joe mentioned, wise for newcomers to manage expectations and follow the lead of CP veterans. Hope you continue to enjoy it while it lasts.
Jimmy Boy 99
04-17-13, 03:28
Went to Mei Bao last night about 7:30 PM. Woman that spoke some English and had been my contact no longer worked there (had a baby). Someone who I was later informed was her brother told me the pricing was 688, 738, 788, 888, and988 yuan. These seemed at least 100 yuan higher than last May. I think I remember reading that Mei Bao now had a 100 yuan surcharge for non-Chinese (or at least non-Asians). Is this why the price was higher, or have they just raised the price for everyone? Also, after waiting for more than half an hour, they finally had the line-up, but I was told that I could only choose girls hat were 788 yuan and up, even though I thought the cutest girl was probably a 738 girl. The guy kept on telling me "No, No, no good" when I looked at the less expensive girls. Why was this? Are foreigners now required to spend a minimum amount there?
Jimmyboy99.
No the prices of the girls are up by 50 rmb compared to last may. It's a relatively small increase as Mei Bao is well known to do volume business thus they keep their rates relatively low in comparison to other places like- yihao, eurasia, hui hua, miraton, which are outrageously expensive for girls that are similar if even a bit worse in the looks department compared to meibao.
So 50 RMB increase. No big deal. Don't sweat the small stuff. It's the KTV pricing increases that are the biggest headaches in town.
AsnDragon.
Went to Mei Bao last night about 7:30 PM. Woman that spoke some English and had been my contact no longer worked there (had a baby). Someone who I was later informed was her brother told me the pricing was 688, 738, 788, 888, and988 yuan. These seemed at least 100 yuan higher than last May. I think I remember reading that Mei Bao now had a 100 yuan surcharge for non-Chinese (or at least non-Asians). Is this why the price was higher, or have they just raised the price for everyone? Also, after waiting for more than half an hour, they finally had the line-up, but I was told that I could only choose girls hat were 788 yuan and up, even though I thought the cutest girl was probably a 738 girl. The guy kept on telling me "No, No, no good" when I looked at the less expensive girls. Why was this? Are foreigners now required to spend a minimum amount there?
Jim Traveller
04-17-13, 13:46
Yes. The Eurasia price hikes are in. Not sure about the model swimsuit or super models though. I saw none at the time, early April. I do see, however, that the market is not digesting these price hikes well as there were a lot, I mean a lot of girls standing around at 7:15 pm, when the flower street is supposed to be pretty empty. What I have been finding at Yihao and Eurasia in early April was higher prices, uglier girls, but not too many takers. With the canton fair raging on right now, the flood of mongers will lend support to the CP prices like QE to the US stock market. It remains to be seen, however, whether these prices will stick.
Hotels have just one chance of "making it" when they first open, to attract girls and customer at the same time. If they raise the prices just right and attract enough pretty birds and the customers will follow, and then more pretty girls. A failed open act will take years to recover, if ever. BSD may recall taking us to Xiang Yin when it first opened years ago and I have never been back or have heard anyone talking about going there ever since. And I wonder whether that place is still in business.
While one hates the prices hikes that goes with every additional hotel opening up, one must recognize that CP is really a free market and supply and demand dictates things. With every new hotel opening up, the market becomes more fragmented and more "efficient" so it is not up to individual hotel owners anymore. If I were a hotel owner, it would be my wet dream to have the prices go back to 2-5-8 and a flood of mongers filling all my rooms.
But that is not going to happen. We see the hotel room rates staying pretty much the same for the last 5-6 years, so are the drink prices and KTV room minimum charges. I suspect many of the Hui Mei Tian Lun rooms will remain empty after the canton fair. As to the girls, the price categories will pretty much remain at their elevated heights but girls have been known to move themselves down to a lower category when they couldn't obtain a sitting at the higher category. I have seen it happen a few times before but the general uptrend is here to stay unless the big picture changes. So, let us hold hands and pray together:
"Our mongering ghost who is in hell, bless me with more money, better looks and a much poorer taste in my next life. NO? OK, can we at least have another massive economic crisis like the Great Depression, and make it last this time! P. S. And of course with 2-month advance notice given to your humble servant so that I can cash in all assets and move to a cheap hotel room in CP".
Ha ha guys, Cheer up. Quit whining and if you must - then try wanking?
Heard that EuroAsia has upped their prices starting 1st April to below :-
4th Floor. 3,8. 12 from 3, 7.10.
3rd Floor. 4,10, 15 from 4, 10, 12.
2nd Floor. 5,15, 20 (Model)
2nd Floor. 6,16, 22 (Model Swimsuit)
2nd Floor. 7,19, 26 (Super Model)
Can anyone confirm? Man these prices are outrageous! Some of the 4th floor porkchops cannot even compare with the BBS girls which can be had for rmb 150-200. Just because there is a so called 6 star new Tian Lun hotel opening the KTV's are jacking up their prices in the hope of retaining the working girls. Can't even imagine whats the price Prince hotel and the new hotel sitting fees will be.
I am boycotting these so called high class hotels which thinks we are carrot heads thinking with our dicks. If they don't have enough business, the girls will not earn enough and they will naturally run back to the other places which has customers.
Hope you brothers out there can support for prices to go back to last year which is still reasonable.
I keep seeing them everywhere. Is it the price?
I. E 3, 8.12 from 3, 7.10.
300 RMB. 800 RMB. 1200 RMB?
Jimmy Boy 99
04-18-13, 10:30
AsnDragon.
Thanks for the info. But why were they limiting the girls I could select from?
Jimmyboy99.
No the prices of the girls are up by 50 rmb compared to last may. It's a relatively small increase as Mei Bao is well known to do volume business thus they keep their rates relatively low in comparison to other places like- yihao, eurasia, hui hua, miraton, which are outrageously expensive for girls that are similar if even a bit worse in the looks department compared to meibao.
So 50 RMB increase. No big deal. Don't sweat the small stuff. It's the KTV pricing increases that are the biggest headaches in town.
AsnDragon.
Jimmyboy,
If you are a foreigner, they think that you have a large penis. Thus many girls are scared you will break them in half. Thus they filter out the girls that are willing to be with a foreigner and the ones that refuse to. That's why you have limitations of who you can choose from. In the past, all girls who were picked had to fuck you regardless. However, times have changed. It's getting harder to recruit talent in DG so they have to concede to the girl's needs and requests in order to maintain high employee retention.
AsnDragon.
AsnDragon.
Thanks for the info. But why were they limiting the girls I could select from?
OldAsiaHand
04-19-13, 08:00
After nearly 20 years in this country, I have watched with so much sorrow the decline in morality and increase in materialism of the population. The truth of the matter is that the whole society is driven by one thing, money! They want as much as they can get as quickly as they can get it because they believe they cannot rely on anybody else. Nobody does any favors unless there is direct monetary benefit involved.
Therefore, I am not surprised at all that this attitude is being reflected in the KTV pricing in CP. It is also reflected in sauna pricing. SEAJ and I were walking into the Swan Lake,"A" block this week and he asked me if I remembered his favorite BBS / KTV there before they remodeled the building. It was 1/3/5! First, KTVs started with the different price levels. For the longest time, it was 2/5/8 standard for every girl regardless of what she looked like or how tall she was. 25K for LT? Are you f-king nuts? This is ridiculous.
Soon, this will hit the BBS prices like it did in the past to the current rate of 150-250 RMB. I support BSD's initiative to boycott but I do not believe it will work. We tried when BBS pricing went up. The mommys' agreed intitially for regular customers but soon refused to take us there if we did not agree at 250 RMB ST in advance.
I am afraid we just have to accept the reality that China has become very affluent and materialistic. There are guys out there that are willing to pay and don't give a shit about the price. In fact, they get more face by paying more. As long as we are competing with this mentality, we can never win.
IMHO, we better start looking for greener pastures.
Just my POV.
OAH
Jimmy Boy 99
04-21-13, 04:58
Went to Mei Bao again yesterday. Bumped into an English-speaking Chinese guy who helped translate for me. Found out that they only do the line-up in the hallway during weekdays, when they are less busy. On the other days, the girls come out as they become available so you have to wait for a long time if you want to see the full line-up before making a selection. Also found out the reason I was not able to choose girls below 788 yuan was because they were all supposedly already reserved, although it seems improbable to me that all the less expensive girls were reserved and none of the more expensive ones were.
Saw a blonde girl in black leather shorts (the highest priced girls wore the shorts) who looked like she could be a fun girl (and turned out to be). With the help of the guy I met, was told that she was a 738 yuan girl. Chose her and started to walk to get the room assignment. Halfway there one of the guys who worked there came running to tell me that the price wasn't 738 yuan but I had to pay 100 yuan and 30 yuan more, for a total of 868 yuan. Since I was hot for the girl, I agreed although I told him that it was unfair to charge me more than the normal price. When I was paying I met another English-speaking Chinese guy and asked him to tell the people at the counter that I would have come there several times more but that they had lost my business with their discriminatory pricing. The girl behind the counter said that the girl got the extra 100 yuan and they got the extra 30 yuan.
Since the top-end girls are 738 yuan, given the 50 yuan differential per category, the pricing at Mei Bao is unchanged at 538, 588, 638, 688, and 738 for Asians, which is what it was for me last year, but has gone up 130 yuan for non-Asians. This is a shame as Mei Bao was one of my favorite saunas but with the new foreigner pricing, it is no longer a good value and should be avoided by non-Asians as a matter of principle.
ManonsanBoy
04-21-13, 07:16
All of you who go to CP; prices at nearby Tangxia have also risen; around 100 for sauna and similar amount for KTV.
ManonsanBoy
04-21-13, 11:51
Went to a sauna in Tangxia (Sunny Business Hotel). Chose a 8 with big boobs and a ready smile. Had a real sauna for 15 mins before lying down for a bath. Hair washed first. I got the best scrub down ever. There was one session with a special cloth and I felt and saw the dead skin scrapped away. Then a soap up and wash followed by a second with a smoother cloth scrap. On to the bed and I get my nails cut and ears cleaned out. Then a good massage followed during I fell asleep. She woke me up with 10 mins to go and asked whether I wanted sex. I said no; I enjoyed the extras so much I just asked her to shower me and put on some body lotion. She worked really hard at it and I gave her 100 extra. She said she has some regulars who do this. Some f#k her, some do not but the reason they pick her is her extras skills.
California8
04-21-13, 22:21
Arrived in CP on a Friday and Dave has a party planned at Yihao. Models line up at 5:30 then all the others at 6. Lots of guys in town and I opt to just window shop the models but wait for 6. I head upstairs a bit before 6 and some of the gals are hanging out in some of the rooms and hallways before the line up. I see a cutie (3/6/10) in a red mini dress with a plunging neckline, she and the mama convince me she is the one. I grab her and only end up picking one. There are 5 guys in the room. 1 also selects 1 and the others each pick 2.
My gal is 24 from Yunnan. She acts like a long lost best girl friend through out the night. I get long DFK's at the KTV plus lots of hugs and her rubbing the little bro frequently. It is as if she is worried that I will not take her out later but no chance of that.
Back to the hotel and more GFE as we undress each other, get lots more DFK and caresses before heading to the shower together. Back to the bed for DATY, BBBJ then she tries to mount me but oops, I forgot the cover on the nightstand; she would have done BB but I play it safe. She was wonderful in CG then she woke me up with her mouth on little bro and we finished in mish.
My faith is restored in KTV girls.
Cal8
California8
04-22-13, 03:38
Dave helped out here again by reserving a room for me with one of the managers. The room is 280 for 2 hours of fun and the gals who wear various uniforms are priced at 400 and 500. I picked a petite girl. 155 cm and 20 years old from Sichuan with fake eyelashes and lots of eye make up, nice and slutty. She wore a school girl blouse with a short short black skirt.
Normal routine with a BBBJ to start on the bed, into the wet room for a thorough head to toe cleaning followed by a body to body massage. Back to the bed for more BBBJ then I remembered reading something here or being told so I asked her to put on her blouse and skirt. I leaned her over the bed, lifted up her skirt and took her from behind for my second pop as I fondled her tiny assets under her blouse.
Finished with still some time on the clock so after another clean up we just rested up until the phone rang. 400 to the gal and 280 to the desk on exit.
Cal8
Arrived in CP on a Friday and Dave has a party planned at Yihao. Models line up at 5:30 then all the others at 6. Lots of guys in town and I opt to just window shop the models but wait for 6. I head upstairs a bit before 6 and some of the gals are hanging out in some of the rooms and hallways before the line up. I see a cutie (3/6/10) in a red mini dress with a plunging neckline, she and the mama convince me she is the one. I grab her and only end up picking one. There are 5 guys in the room. 1 also selects 1 and the others each pick 2.
My gal is 24 from Yunnan. She acts like a long lost best girl friend through out the night. I get long DFK's at the KTV plus lots of hugs and her rubbing the little bro frequently. It is as if she is worried that I will not take her out later but no chance of that.
Back to the hotel and more GFE as we undress each other, get lots more DFK and caresses before heading to the shower together. Back to the bed for DATY, BBBJ then she tries to mount me but oops, I forgot the cover on the nightstand; she would have done BB but I play it safe. She was wonderful in CG then she woke me up with her mouth on little bro and we finished in mish.
My faith is restored in KTV girls.
Cal8Hi Cal8, If you were in the room 312 that day then I think you know me. I'm the other guy who just selected 1 girl.
Funny thing is that BSD introduced a nice girl to me that night, and it turned out to be my first KTV girl (and so far the best one) I had last year.
She's from Yunnan too, born in Dali, very good looking (not really typical Chinese white skin, but more thai / vietnamese with great breast) and her service is just perfect, very good attitude in the KTV room, very professionnal (she tries to be friendly with the others customers in the room, by greeting them / playing with them). Furthermore, she can speak little english. If you like GFE she's the one. She's a 3-7-12 but IMHO, much much more beautiful than most of models (fuck the shitty Chinese / asian taste that consists to say that tall + white skin = perfection)
In the bed, she is not as wild / naughty as some sauna girls, but I'm not into that anyway.
Anyway, after spending several time in many KTV these last weeks (fuhao, eurasia, prince crown, mayflower, swan lake.) , my favorite one is yihao, large selection of pretty girls, and the model class (in red dress) are cheaper than the model class in Fuhao for example (4/10/15 vs 5/12/18 ).
Alex.
Manonsanboy,
I know you have been in Tangxia for more than 10 years or so. I have also lived there as well for a while. But Just out of curiosity how much did you sauna session cost you? That was a pretty expensive nap so I was just wondering if it was a 500 RMB session or was it a 800 RMB session. I don't think I've ever done to a sauna session without popping a girl before. However, I have gotten one pop and then just didn't ask her to do any services besides massaging and putting on lotion- no toe sucking, anus rimming cat bath etc. But wow! This is the first time I've heard of someone not popping a sauna girl but just wanting her to srub you down and massage you.
Back in 2004, I was a regular at Golden lake Hotel Sauna, Sunshine hotel and even back then rates were 558 RMB range. Last time I was in Golden Island Sauna, I felt a bit cheated as pricing were nearing 800 RMB range and higher. Too bad I find Tangxia Sauna girl talents to be a bit lacking.
Are the BBS across from Golden lake Hotel still up and running?
AsnDragon.
Went to a sauna in Tangxia (Sunny Business Hotel). Chose a 8 with big boobs and a ready smile. Had a real sauna for 15 mins before lying down for a bath. Hair washed first. I got the best scrub down ever. There was one session with a special cloth and I felt and saw the dead skin scrapped away. Then a soap up and wash followed by a second with a smoother cloth scrap. On to the bed and I get my nails cut and ears cleaned out. Then a good massage followed during I fell asleep. She woke me up with 10 mins to go and asked whether I wanted sex. I said no; I enjoyed the extras so much I just asked her to shower me and put on some body lotion. She worked really hard at it and I gave her 100 extra. She said she has some regulars who do this. Some f#k her, some do not but the reason they pick her is her extras skills.
OAH,
Well stated! China these 15 years have gone on a growth steroid. I don't think any other country has seen their wages along with expectations triple and quadruple within this short of span of time.
I remember how back in the days of 2003 in CP, girls that lined up the BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel were all regular factory working girls. Most of them just sneaking out to earn a few extra bucks on weekends before going back to work at the factory. Some had just left the factory which paid only 600 RMB a month to be a BBS girl where they got 100 RMB per pop after mommies got 50 RMB. At that time 6 pops was equivalent to 28 days of hard work. Expectations were low and I remember how I took at BBS girl out to eat McDonalds and they were so happy as they had never eaten McDonalds before. They savored every bite as if it was a life-changing moment. I also bought her a t-shirt at the pedestrian walkway outdoor mall and she was so grateful as if I was her prince in shining armor. She was also perplexed how anyone could treat her so well.
Then after SARS China goes through massive changes. You see girl's expectations change rapidly, but still in check until 2007 hits. 2007 was a new era in CP. Hui Mei BBS girls were expecting customers to pay up to 200 RMB and expected tips of 100 RMB on top of 200 RMB from customers. I remember when I tipped 50 RMB extra on top of 200 RMB, the girl was so angry and yelled at me "why are you so cheap! Everyone gives 100 RMB!" she walked away and slammed the door on me.
Then the financial crisis hits and all the expectations come back to proper alignment. (of which Jim Traveler is correct that's what we need) All of a sudden, HK, Taiwan and other big shot sponsors saw their portfolio in real estate and stocks plummet. All of a sudden the money faucet ran dry and tons of girls in CP lost their sponsorship. Overnight it seemed HK sponsors just cut off their money to girls and switched phone numbers to not be able to be reached by the girls. You saw factory workers unemployed due to factories closing, and WG all of a sudden having to be WG again just to earn money to survive on. During a time where 10, 000 RMB a month was a lot of money at the time to sponsor a girl, mongers could negotiate 6000 RMB a month and girls were willing to accept the offer. I remember a girl I got from Jiayi- Hunan girl with tits so pretty and big and firm that to this day I have not found a girl with prettier tits than she, was willing to accept 6000 RMB to sponsor her a month. Times were bad, girl's saw all of their hard earned money sent back home to their villages wiped out when they bought houses or built houses in their village at the peak. This coupled with the 2008 sichuan earthquake made everything even worst. It was dire times around the world and WG no longer asked for much more than money to just survive on. No BBS girl, KTV girl or Sauna girl was asking for anything extra. They were just happy that they had enough business to live on and send money back home. This trend lasted from 2008-early 2010.
But all that money the government printed into stimulating China's economy started gaining momentum again. Once 2010 summer hit, things started to change. Massive investment in fixed assets all over China especially CP changed the landscape. Before CP was a place to have fun and had lots of red light district fun to be had. But relatively, other DG towns were not as competitive but still had a good chunk of the mongering action piece of the pie. But once CP started to fixed asset hotel binge building they consolidated the mongering activities to CP. Jiayi was the catalyst that started the flower street phenomenon. No other DG town to my knowledge had this concept that revolutionized KTVs. With Jiayi came Mayflower, and then Manhattan and then Eurasia and then Lihao and then Yihao and then now Hui Mei Tian Lun. Everyone followed the flower street model and it became a must have concept. With Eurasia and Yihao they sucked up all the talent in nearby towns like Crown Prince in Huangjiang and Royal Garden in the Lang and SanGem in Zhangmutou and Tangxia. All of a sudden CP was the to go place for KTVs. Crown Prince started aging and had a tough time retaining girls. Royal Garden girls all went to Eurasia because of it's phenomenal high occupancy of customers, in which Royal Garden had high paying customers but rooms were never fully occupied. CP was able suck in talent as far as Humen and Houjie girls from Sheraton and Cinese hotel. With such a huge selection of girls, comes Big spenders from all over. CP use to be HK's playground for truckers and blue collar workers. Then Taiwanese came along and started throwing money around unecessarily. Then came the Singaporeans and Malaysian Chinese and guys from western countries. But what has really changed is that Mainlanders flush with cash are the real big spenders of today and in the years to come. You start seeing mainlanders coming in from Beijing and Shanghai swinging in with loads of cash. CP to them is still cheaper than playing in Beijing and Shanghai and Hangzhou. To them CP is still a 50% discount to what they have to pay up north. Up north they pay KTV girls 500-2000 sitting fees and girls are NOT obligated to go out with you for a pop. But in CP they find it to be a great deal. Sit a girl for 300 RMb is cheap they need to pay 500-600 back home. Sitting a model is 500 RMB in CP and up in Shanghai is 1000 RMB and up. And most of the time they get laid in CP for 2000 RMB overnight, that's cheap compared to 2500 RMB a pop up to 5000 RMB a pop and many times they don't even get the girls into bed up north. To them it is a deal and their perspective is that they don't mind paying either.
This is no longer the era of HK, Taiwan, Singaporeans, Malaysians or people coming in from Western Countries that is ruining CP, it's really going to be the mainlanders with their newly found wealth.
You see tons of Mainlanders coming into Saunas and KTVs in CP. It doesn't even need to be as far as Beijing and Shanghai, just nearby Shenzhen and Guangzhou guys have seen their wealth double and triple in these 3-5 years alone. It's still a bargain for them to come to CP to have fun when shenzhen and guangzhou quality is not that great and women there are older in general in KTV venues. How can you stop prices from rising in general? You really cannot. Sure I agree with BSD we should try to boycott as much as we can when mommies or some venues are bit too greedy and unreasonable. But in the foreseeable future it will not do much because mainland guys are just too rich and getting richer quicker with each passing day. To them things are cheap like how things were cheap to is mongers 10 years ago relative to what we earn.
Expectations of women change with every passing generation. OAH is true in that the post 90's generation are money hungry. They no longer believe in hardwork, but easy money is their primary goal in life. They would rather skip college all together and work as a WG or be rich guy's mistress to enjoy the luxuries of life. To them short cut is smarter than taking the long uncertain path in life. In addition, with money being thrown around like it's monopoly money by everyone in China the young generation is being brainwashed by the media.
You look into every girl's Wechat in every city in China and in their moments, you see pictures of iphone 5s and 100 RMB bills stacked all over, or pictures of luxury purses and houses and luxury cars and picturs of villas in Italy and the maldives with comments below saying "my future goal" China has taught their citizens to think big and that's what they are doing and they will do whatever means necessary to get it. They no longer believe in marriage or that promises and vows are sacred. As OAH states money is more reliable than men in general. To them, With money comes respect, with money comes power, with money comes happiness.
Even well off families in China are only allowing their children to hang out and marry kids within their own socioeconomic status. If kids are taught to be like this from their parents, can you imagine how the post 2000's generation of girls are going to turn out to be? You think it's too far to think of, but in 3-4 years they will start flooding the WG venues and replace the post 90's generation who would slowly be a relic of the past.
Jim Traveller is correct. The only real thing that can realign expectations is another financial crisis to hit China or the world. Only then will expectations come back to a more normalized level. The thing is government put the economy on steriods with tons of money flowing in fixed asset investment. You see people earning money on real estate, buying up apartments in cities with no fundamentals earning tens of thousands a day. Chinese are getting richer and they cannot take their money out of China to invest in other countries. They don't believe in the stock market as there are too many companies who cook their accounting books, so they find themselves investing their money in real estate building a huge fixed asset bubble within China. It is literally impossible for a normal person in China to work a normal job to afford a house in any first, second and third tier major city within China. The regular joe is being left behind in the dust. To a Chinese having your own house is the ultimate goal in life. Thus if you can't earn it the normal way, what are the young generation of kids going to do, especially girls? They will find a way to get what they want by spreading their legs, being a WG or marrying off to a richer family.
But look out China! Because all of this fixed asset investment is building a huge real estate bubble that must correct itself soon. There are ghost towns in Henan, shaanxi, inner mongolia, Gansu many inland provinces that have buildings upon buildings built up and nobody living in them. They are all sold and held by investors. How long can this last? How can empty apartments in ghost towns keep increasing in value when nobody is buying or living in them? When the prices are so high that an average Chinese citizen cannot afford it even if they work for 80 years? Something in life has got to give. When the fixed asset bubble within China collapses it will send a ripple effect throughout every industry and corner of China. Especially when fixed asset related industry from steel to cement account for such a big percentage of the annual GDP.
Don't get me wrong, Tier one cities are growing and have the fundamentals to continue growing. Beijing and Shanghai will always need more apartments and shipping malls. But how about tier two and three cities?
So if there is a major correction in China's market perhaps. Just perhaps as Jim Traveller's put it, we may see things come back to a more normalized level from the girls in China. But in life, you cannot ever predict what's going to happen next. All you can do is hedge in life and enjoy it to the best of your abilities.
Happy Mongering.
AsnDragon.
After nearly 20 years in this country, I have watched with so much sorrow the decline in morality and increase in materialism of the population. The truth of the matter is that the whole society is driven by one thing, money! They want as much as they can get as quickly as they can get it because they believe they cannot rely on anybody else. Nobody does any favors unless there is direct monetary benefit involved.
Therefore, I am not surprised at all that this attitude is being reflected in the KTV pricing in CP. It is also reflected in sauna pricing. SEAJ and I were walking into the Swan Lake,"A" block this week and he asked me if I remembered his favorite BBS / KTV there before they remodeled the building. It was 1/3/5! First, KTVs started with the different price levels. For the longest time, it was 2/5/8 standard for every girl regardless of what she looked like or how tall she was. 25K for LT? Are you f-king nuts? This is ridiculous.
Soon, this will hit the BBS prices like it did in the past to the current rate of 150-250 RMB. I support BSD's initiative to boycott but I do not believe it will work. We tried when BBS pricing went up. The mommys' agreed intitially for regular customers but soon refused to take us there if we did not agree at 250 RMB ST in advance.
I am afraid we just have to accept the reality that China has become very affluent and materialistic. There are guys out there that are willing to pay and don't give a shit about the price. In fact, they get more face by paying more. As long as we are competing with this mentality, we can never win.
IMHO, we better start looking for greener pastures.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
04-22-13, 22:35
Everyone complain about price increase and boycott if you go mongering anywhere the price is up in Thailand and the Philippine too inflation hit China the last 5 yr everything is up, it is supply and demand the KTV keep increase price because they can they have good business most BBS and sauna closed down.
I was in CP last month still have no problem getting ST for 150 rmb delivery to my hotel room but quality is no where as good as few yr ago but there are still Angeles city PI or many place in Indoenasia you can still get good action and GFE on the cheap.
Fast Eddie 48
California8
04-22-13, 22:57
Hi Cal8, If you were in the room 312 that day then I think you know me. I'm the other guy who just selected 1 girl.
Funny thing is that BSD introduced a nice girl to me that night, and it turned out to be my first KTV girl (and so far the best one) I had last year.
She's from Yunnan too, born in Dali, very good looking (not really typical Chinese white skin, but more thai / vietnamese with great breast) and her service is just perfect, very good attitude in the KTV room, very professionnal (she tries to be friendly with the others customers in the room, by greeting them / playing with them). Furthermore, she can speak little english. If you like GFE she's the one. She's a 3-7-12 but IMHO, much much more beautiful than most of models (fuck the shitty Chinese / asian taste that consists to say that tall + white skin = perfection)
In the bed, she is not as wild / naughty as some sauna girls, but I'm not into that anyway.
Anyway, after spending several time in many KTV these last weeks (fuhao, eurasia, prince crown, mayflower, swan lake.) , my favorite one is yihao, large selection of pretty girls, and the model class (in red dress) are cheaper than the model class in Fuhao for example (4/10/15 vs 5/12/18 ).
Alex.Wow! We both hit the jackpot with these two Yunnan girls. I am jealous because your pretty Dali girl (easily the prettiest in the room) had me staring at her numerous times throughout the night. Those long legs in that short skirt and even better that she spoke some English. Like many other mongers, we pick initially on looks we like but you are right that the attitude / GFE is the overriding factor for putting the smile on our faces. I thought I knew why you were the first one to leave that night.
I agree with your assessment of Yihao, I have had my best luck there in my CP KTV adventures. I am heading out from CP later today so happy hunting the rest of your stay unless you still have your Dali girl stashed away for yourself. We have proven that the pretty KTV girls do not always have an attitude.
See you next trip.
Cal8
Wow! We both hit the jackpot with these two Yunnan girls. I am jealous because your pretty Dali girl (easily the prettiest in the room) had me staring at her numerous times throughout the night. Those long legs in that short skirt and even better that she spoke some English. Like many other mongers, we pick initially on looks we like but you are right that the attitude / GFE is the overriding factor for putting the smile on our faces. I thought I knew why you were the first one to leave that night.
I agree with your assessment of Yihao, I have had my best luck there in my CP KTV adventures. I am heading out from CP later today so happy hunting the rest of your stay unless you still have your Dali girl stashed away for yourself. We have proven that the pretty KTV girls do not always have an attitude.
See you next trip.
Cal8Woow and Wow again! My adventures in CP were just Ok, even though I hit 4 different KTV's, took back 5 girls (total). Good girls for the most part, but not fantastic. I was not real happy with my experience with CP on my first trip there, but with your report, I may just have to try it again. Can I ask you what went on in the KTV room? When I went (with BSD) all that happened was a weak dice game or two. I didn't expect to get laid in the KTV, but thought there would be a little more "fun", going on. Maybe the problem was the group I was with?
MrClen
Cloud Palms
04-23-13, 03:53
asndragon,
very well said and let me add a couple of other points to your post, which should be required reading.
1) because of the housing requirement, ie men cannot marry without owning their home, families of each young male are desperately pooling together resources in order to buy their son a home so he has a better chance of getting married to a chinese woman. these are parents, grandparents and the son taking out loans basically mortgaging his entire future to be able to buy a low quality flat in beijing. problem is just a flat isn't enough, once chinese people read in the news that a rich guy bought a girl a 500, 000 rmb bmw on his first date then all of a sudden the women feel they are entitled to one too and both families think its "normal" to do this. one can put the blame on the girls, but its pretty disgraceful behavior from the man and the families as well. however the man's side probably feel like they have no choice as because of the one-child policy this will be a families only chance to continue their bloodline.
2) there are essentially two housing markets, one is moving at like a high speed train, the other is languishing. chinese all want to move to the tier 1 cities for better job prospects and better childrens education. problem is as with everything in china, there will be overpopulation and quality of the cities air, water and overall life will decrease and even with the money to buy property in those cities won't be getting good fundamental value.
SE Asia Joe
04-23-13, 18:15
Woow and Wow again! My adventures in CP were just Ok, even though I hit 4 different KTV's, took back 5 girls (total). Good girls for the most part, but not fantastic. I was not real happy with my experience with CP on my first trip there, but with your report, I may just have to try it again. Can I ask you what went on in the KTV room? When I went (with BSD) all that happened was a weak dice game or two. I didn't expect to get laid in the KTV, but thought there would be a little more "fun", going on. Maybe the problem was the group I was with?
MrClenI truly hope you don't mind my making a few observations.
The Group you are referring to includes yourself and really, it's up to you on how you want to "enjoy" yourself.
And please also note that you can only lead the horse to the water.
And yes, age does bring a few privileges, excuses, allowances etc but unfortunately not when it comes to mongering and especially in CP!
This is a total mongering town and its strictly up to you yourself how you enjoy yourself!
Just my humble opinion.
SEAJ
Woow and Wow again! My adventures in CP were just Ok, even though I hit 4 different KTV's, took back 5 girls (total). Good girls for the most part, but not fantastic. I was not real happy with my experience with CP on my first trip there, but with your report, I may just have to try it again. Can I ask you what went on in the KTV room? When I went (with BSD) all that happened was a weak dice game or two. I didn't expect to get laid in the KTV, but thought there would be a little more "fun", going on. Maybe the problem was the group I was with?
MrClenI think this point has been brought up before, but I get the strong suspicion that you are expecting to be "entertained" while you are at the KTV. At least IMHO, you ARE the entertainment. The things you seek IN the KTV almost never happen, at least in recent times. In the more than three years I have been going to CP. (I know a relative newbie) , I can count on less than one hand the times it was "wild and crazy" in a KTV and ALL of those were private or semi-private parties where the people all knew each other fairly well. The dice games etc are the way to get the party started and if you don't want to participate things are usually pretty mellow. On occasion, everything "clicks", but usually takes some effort. My experience that BSD does a great job of getting the room involved as long as the people are willing to go that route, but the girls rarely start anything.
This may truly be a case where KTV doesn't fit your idea of fun, I have enjoyed really good "chill" parties as well as some that everyone was dancing around having a good time. It really does depend on the vibe in the room.
A "fantastic" KTV girl is a rare bird and most of the time is the result of sitting her more than once, or even bringing her along with you when you visit another KTV.
The sauna girls are better well trained in the sexual arts. But I enjoy the party atmosphere of the KTV.
I think this point has been brought up before, but I get the strong suspicion that you are expecting to be "entertained" while you are at the KTV. At least IMHO, you ARE the entertainment. The things you seek IN the KTV almost never happen, at least in recent times. In the more than three years I have been going to CP. (I know a relative newbie) , I can count on less than one hand the times it was "wild and crazy" in a KTV and ALL of those were private or semi-private parties where the people all knew each other fairly well. The dice games etc are the way to get the party started and if you don't want to participate things are usually pretty mellow. On occasion, everything "clicks", but usually takes some effort. My experience that BSD does a great job of getting the room involved as long as the people are willing to go that route, but the girls rarely start anything.
This may truly be a case where KTV doesn't fit your idea of fun, I have enjoyed really good "chill" parties as well as some that everyone was dancing around having a good time. It really does depend on the vibe in the room.
A "fantastic" KTV girl is a rare bird and most of the time is the result of sitting her more than once, or even bringing her along with you when you visit another KTV.
The sauna girls are better well trained in the sexual arts. But I enjoy the party atmosphere of the KTV.Sky Ryder and SEAJ:
You both have VERY valid points and I greatly respect your opinions! I have had some fairly wild times in KTV's and some not so much, both with friends and alone. I do (sometimes) enjoy the the chill time of a KTV, especially if I have had a busy work day and just need to come down a bit. Hell-I've ever turned off the music in the KTV, sat two girls, and put on a movie on the pad (would you believe an animated kids movie) , both of them snuggled up and had snacks and drinks and watched and laughed at the movie. If that's not chillin, I don't understand the word. Yes, I did take at least one of the for LT back to the room later, but that's another story.
I also agree that the chemistry of the "room" is very important and determines the entire atmosphere of the "party". I'm not truly complaining as CP was an experience not to be missed. My only hope was that other than the one KTV I went to alone in CP, there seemed to be no "click", and I was hoping for a little more. Maybe I set my expectations too high.
And yes, I'll say this-If I pay for a girl (usually only one but sometimes two) to sit with me and later take for a LT, I do expect to be entertained, at least to some extent. That "entertainment" can consist of them fixing your drinks, some flirting, playing around, singing, dancing (together) , games, etc. To me that's entertainment, and we are not there to entertain them, they are the staff and we are the customers! And, my "wild and crazy" is probably a lot less than your 'wild and crazy" and many of the KTV things found in this forum I've never seen or experienced, but have had a lot of general just "fun". And even though I have a regular girl in the KTV in the hotel I stay in, I don't think I would ever take her to one of the others-the term "sandwich to a banquet" seems to apply, or "the grass is always greener", etc.
Oh-I've never had a good sauna experience so am totally unqualified to comment on that, but I have had several really great KTV girls (I don't know how to rate "fantastic").
Anyway, great comments and discussion and I look forward to more.
MrClen
California8
04-24-13, 22:54
I think this point has been brought up before, but I get the strong suspicion that you are expecting to be "entertained" while you are at the KTV. At least IMHO, you ARE the entertainment. The things you seek IN the KTV almost never happen, at least in recent times. In the more than three years I have been going to CP. (I know a relative newbie) , I can count on less than one hand the times it was "wild and crazy" in a KTV and ALL of those were private or semi-private parties where the people all knew each other fairly well. The dice games etc are the way to get the party started and if you don't want to participate things are usually pretty mellow. On occasion, everything "clicks", but usually takes some effort. My experience that BSD does a great job of getting the room involved as long as the people are willing to go that route, but the girls rarely start anything.
This may truly be a case where KTV doesn't fit your idea of fun, I have enjoyed really good "chill" parties as well as some that everyone was dancing around having a good time. It really does depend on the vibe in the room.
A "fantastic" KTV girl is a rare bird and most of the time is the result of sitting her more than once, or even bringing her along with you when you visit another KTV.
The sauna girls are better well trained in the sexual arts. But I enjoy the party atmosphere of the KTV.If Aniki88 is still reading reports, this report reminds me of the time Skyrider and I joined a BSDave party at Yihao about 1 1/2 years ago and he picked an absolute stunner model, so beautiful. I remember because my mouth dropped open when I saw her. I believe she was from Sichuan and Skyrider later told me that she was fantastic back at the hotel too. Yihao rocks!
Cal8
Hi,
I'm looking for a great time with very high level girl in Donguan City. Any advice as to where to go? This is my first time in south China. 2nd time in China. I prefer to pay a bit (or a lot) more for quality and dip into this world less often, than quantity over quality.
Thanks in advance.
Wow! We both hit the jackpot with these two Yunnan girls. I am jealous because your pretty Dali girl (easily the prettiest in the room) had me staring at her numerous times throughout the night. Those long legs in that short skirt and even better that she spoke some English. Like many other mongers, we pick initially on looks we like but you are right that the attitude / GFE is the overriding factor for putting the smile on our faces. I thought I knew why you were the first one to leave that night.
I agree with your assessment of Yihao, I have had my best luck there in my CP KTV adventures. I am heading out from CP later today so happy hunting the rest of your stay unless you still have your Dali girl stashed away for yourself. We have proven that the pretty KTV girls do not always have an attitude.
See you next trip.
Cal8Thanks Cal8, just head back to France this morning after over 3 crazy weeks in CP. This trip just confirm what I thought before :
For people who searching for GFE and a certain quality of girls, KTV is still the best choice (yihao). BBS is a hit or miss, the girls there are too young and / or not very pretty and / or don't like beeing taking out for overnight. Sauna is just a pur moment of intense sex, it can be interesting if you go late at night and can get the room for free (but the girl would be most of the time already tired). I'm a bit reluctant on the fact the girl I'm doing has sucked maybe a dozen of dicks before me.
One thing I didn't experience before, dating a girl from PZL. It was a great experience, especially for me she was one of the best looking (if not the best looking). Appreciate the fact she was willing spending her afternoon with me for free the day I was leaving.
Alex
ManonsanBoy
04-27-13, 21:45
Manonsanboy,
I know you have been in Tangxia for more than 10 years or so. I have also lived there as well for a while. But Just out of curiosity how much did you sauna session cost you? That was a pretty expensive nap so I was just wondering if it was a 500 RMB session or was it a 800 RMB session. I don't think I've ever done to a sauna session without popping a girl before. However, I have gotten one pop and then just didn't ask her to do any services besides massaging and putting on lotion- no toe sucking, anus rimming cat bath etc. But wow! This is the first time I've heard of someone not popping a sauna girl but just wanting her to srub you down and massage you.
Back in 2004, I was a regular at Golden lake Hotel Sauna, Sunshine hotel and even back then rates were 558 RMB range. Last time I was in Golden Island Sauna, I felt a bit cheated as pricing were nearing 800 RMB range and higher. Too bad I find Tangxia Sauna girl talents to be a bit lacking.
Are the BBS across from Golden lake Hotel still up and running?
AsnDragon.Just that day did not feel like it. It was 700. There was a period of stable or falling prices; 2009-2010 saw intenses competition in regard to room rates. She gave me a BJ but didi just did not responded so good and I decided I could not be bothered. Age. Agreed; sauna prices going up in Tangxia. BBS are much less visible these days. Now, it is all phone and delivery. 200 and no expectation of a tip. Quality is OK. There were a few clusters around Golden Lake (sauna recently closed) , New village and in Yiking; all are now gone. Golden sunshine has gone down hill so much I went, had a look and walked out last month.
California8
04-29-13, 00:45
Thanks Cal8, just head back to France this morning after over 3 crazy weeks in CP. This trip just confirm what I thought before :
For people who searching for GFE and a certain quality of girls, KTV is still the best choice (yihao). BBS is a hit or miss, the girls there are too young and / or not very pretty and / or don't like beeing taking out for overnight. Sauna is just a pur moment of intense sex, it can be interesting if you go late at night and can get the room for free (but the girl would be most of the time already tired). I'm a bit reluctant on the fact the girl I'm doing has sucked maybe a dozen of dicks before me.
One thing I didn't experience before, dating a girl from PZL. It was a great experience, especially for me she was one of the best looking (if not the best looking). Appreciate the fact she was willing spending her afternoon with me for free the day I was leaving.
AlexAfter 3 weeks in CP, I think I would be crazy to leave! Good one on the date with the PZL girl, my head turned many of times out in the lobby and hallways there.
I used BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel on my stay last week. Yes the selection was young or ugly. Naturally I selected young but she was not too enthused so service is really lacking. 260 for the pop. Paid 10 extra for her to take bike to hotel in another 30 minutes while I ate first.
Cal8
After 3 weeks in CP, I think I would be crazy to leave! Good one on the date with the PZL girl, my head turned many of times out in the lobby and hallways there.
I used BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel on my stay last week. Yes the selection was young or ugly. Naturally I selected young but she was not too enthused so service is really lacking. 260 for the pop. Paid 10 extra for her to take bike to hotel in another 30 minutes while I ate first.
Cal8Hi Cali8,
Yes CP provide us a kind of addiction. But I think we should be aware that we are just buying illusions here, there is no way to find true love or long term relationship (which doesn't involve money) in CP. So it's good to be away of CP for a while to refresh our mind and recover our sense of reality.
Yes, I was kinda satisfied with my dates with that pzl girl, especially after reading almost everywhere they are just all bitches etc.
I also visited once the BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel, yes selection were poor, girls looked pretty nasty that day. I think you have to be there at the right moment, the right day, so it's pretty random.
260 for the pop, I think they surcharged you 10 extra dollars (anyway not a big deal) cause the price should be max 250.
Better go to the 3 BBS around swan lake area, the quality was better.
Anyway the selection and "quality" of BBS in CP has nothing to do with last year just before the crackdown.
I also went for "sightseeing" in some sauna : Miraton, Hui Hua, Lion, Lucky, fuhao. The sauna in Hui Hua is definitively overpriced. Some girls are quoted 1200. Crazy.
Seems that turn over in sauna is pretty impressive, few girls that I've noticed in Lion and Miraton had already gone back to their hometown the day I left CP.
So if you find a girl you like in Sauna, should better book her as soon as possible.
I also tried nightclub, palace 18, around swan lake. Lot of pretty girls there, but cannot figure out which girls are hookers or not. (Although some girls were staring at me).
Alex.
Fast Eddie 48
04-29-13, 21:24
After 3 weeks in CP, I think I would be crazy to leave! Good one on the date with the PZL girl, my head turned many of times out in the lobby and hallways there.
I used BBS behind Hui Mei Hotel on my stay last week. Yes the selection was young or ugly. Naturally I selected young but she was not too enthused so service is really lacking. 260 for the pop. Paid 10 extra for her to take bike to hotel in another 30 minutes while I ate first.
Cal8To Cal8,
I never paid more than 150 rmb ST at bbs behind Hui Mei even they try to charge me more, I have many mamasan contact have better girl for the same price and 500 rmb is for over night delivery to my hotem room, the swan lake bbs st price is 250 rmb quality is better, don't know why all you newbie paid so much for ugly bbs girl.
Fast Eddie 48
Chris Peterson
05-06-13, 17:52
First time in CP end of May for 3 nights.
Someone from this forum suggested Walter Hotel. Seems like good value.
However, Agoda has a deal for $58 US dollars per night at the new Huihua Huayuan Hotel which looks nicer, but reviewers say it's not close to the center of town. Also, there seems to be another Huihua hotel that is not newer.
1) Are there really two hotels named Huihua?
2) Any recommendations on hotels in the 300 to 400 RMB range?
3) How important is location?
Anyone want to hang out or show me the ropes, PM me.
Fast Eddie 48
05-07-13, 19:41
First time in CP end of May for 3 nights.
Someone from this forum suggested Walter Hotel. Seems like good value.
However, Agoda has a deal for $58 US dollars per night at the new Huihua Huayuan Hotel which looks nicer, but reviewers say it's not close to the center of town. Also, there seems to be another Huihua hotel that is not newer.
1) Are there really two hotels named Huihua?
2) Any recommendations on hotels in the 300 to 400 RMB range?
3) How important is location?
Anyone want to hang out or show me the ropes, PM me.Chris,
There are no shortage of hotel in CP most hotel will offer you half off during weekdays a nice 3 star hotel is around 200 rmb, if this is your first time you should PM BSD or some regular I am back in the US will not be back until July, this is China not Manila or Bangkok not much english is spoken so it will a adventure to you, I like the Hui mei and Miraton hotel area but CP is just a small town easy to get around by taxi.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
05-09-13, 03:55
Just read that the new Hui Mei Tian Lun KTV has been shut down for illegal construction / no license etc.
On yahoo China news.
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
05-10-13, 03:08
SEAJoe is right, HMTL is closed indefinitely, some people say that it may be closed up to a month due to construction violations. Personally I think it's karma! They are one of the reason CP is experiencing an unusal dip in number of customers in town. Strangely, last Saturday someone ask me to book four rooms at the Walter hotel and typically, this hotel starts selling out on Wednesday / Thursday on a regular week but last week was the last week of the Canton Fair (crazy!) , there were still rooms available which raised a red flag in my head then on Sunday and for the first time in my career as a tour-guide in CP I was invited to a KTV (HMTL) to party with all expenses paid (except for the DJ cost and the room fee) and I was able to invite a couple of my customers to bring with me. On Monday, I got a message from Mayflower that from May 9-15 (except Friday / Saturday) , selected alcohol is 50% off. With the HMTL being closed yesterday, many of the KTVs in town will benefit but mostly will be Eurasia and Yihao as they have the same price range for the WGs to work. There were over abundance of WGs working at Eurasia last night and the KTV was fully booked on a Thursday night as no doubt it reaped the benefit of HMTL's demise. In my opinion, the current dip is caused by the following factors:
1) HMTL's opening caused a ripple effect on WG pricing in all of the KTVs in town. None of the tier 1 KTVs have 200 sitting fee WGs anymore. In order for HMTL to attract the WGs to go work there, they raised the prices to 3-8-12 (at the time Yihao was 3-6-9 / now is 3-6-10 and Eurasia was 3-7-10 / now is 3-8-12) ; 4-10-16 (Yihao 3-7-10 / now is 4-10-15, Eurasia 4-9-13 / now is 4/10/15) ; 5-15-20 (Yihao 4-10-15 / now is 5-15-20, Eurasia remain same at 5-15-20) ; they also have a new category of 6-18-25 (Eurasia follow suit with a 7-19-26). I don't think prices can go up anymore unless people continue to over spend on the WGs. Unfortunately, there are too many BigSwingingDicks in town willing to pay for the top models (all (about 12 of them) of the 7-19-26 WGs were selected at the flower street last night) and I see customers are continuing to select 2 or more girls to sit and letting them go before 10pm.
2) Some people are scare of the H1N9 virus thus is not coming until is over;
3) Malaysia is the midst of presidential election so they are staying home until is over;
4) RMB is too strong, current CP exchange rate at USD 1. 6.18; CAND 1. 6; HKD. 798. 1; SINGD 1. 4.95; Malay 1. 1.98.
Is this the beginning of the end or just a blip in the radar? I don't know but I hope at least is a wake up call for the big hotels in town to realize that their irresponsible actions can cause a ripple effect throughout all industries such as restaurants, shops, etc. All are feeling the current state of CP. Four more 4 STARs and above hotels (New Mayflower, Miraton II, Yaffa (ex Park Hyatt next to old Mayflower) , and EA hotel (STARS Landmark group which is part of the Miraton) are in construction, mega housing projects are being built all around CP, new shopping malls are in construction near Tesco and HuaRun (pedestrian street) , the signs are that CP will continue to prosper and grow. People will still come to CP because it is still one of the best place to play in the world but I see that the regulars will come less frequently and the place will price out some of the lower budget travelers thus the result is less customers coming to CP in the future.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
05-10-13, 14:38
Another factor that you've probably not considered Dave.
Chang Ping had not traditionally been a destination for high ranking civil servants and PRC Big wigs, as they had most times considered this whole town to be too low class, filled only with low lifes etc.
Recently though, The surge of luxury Hotel / KTV's debuting in Chang Ping had attracted some of these local Big Swinging dicks to start mongering here too.
But the new government austerity measures has put a halt to this exodus of locals going to Chang Ping. Thus another reason on why business had turned down.
And I say. Hooray!
SEAJ
Sources are saying that HMTL is back open tonight. The owner seemed to have paid 5 million RMB to somebody and got the go ahead to reopen again. I'm sure he had to include additional kickbacks as well. But in any case, I hear they are reopen tonight. Anyone have any clue to if that is true? Just passing around information that I heard.
AsnDragon.
SEAJoe is right, HMTL is closed indefinitely, some people say that it may be closed up to a month due to construction violations. Personally I think it's karma! They are one of the reason CP is experiencing an unusal dip in number of customers in town. Strangely, last Saturday someone ask me to book four rooms at the Walter hotel and typically, this hotel starts selling out on Wednesday / Thursday on a regular week but last week was the last week of the Canton Fair (crazy!) , there were still rooms available which raised a red flag in my head then on Sunday and for the first time in my career as a tour-guide in CP I was invited to a KTV (HMTL) to party with all expenses paid (except for the DJ cost and the room fee) and I was able to invite a couple of my customers to bring with me. On Monday, I got a message from Mayflower that from May 9-15 (except Friday / Saturday) , selected alcohol is 50% off. With the HMTL being closed yesterday, many of the KTVs in town will benefit but mostly will be Eurasia and Yihao as they have the same price range for the WGs to work. There were over abundance of WGs working at Eurasia last night and the KTV was fully booked on a Thursday night as no doubt it reaped the benefit of HMTL's demise. In my opinion, the current dip is caused by the following factors:
1) HMTL's opening caused a ripple effect on WG pricing in all of the KTVs in town. None of the tier 1 KTVs have 200 sitting fee WGs anymore. In order for HMTL to attract the WGs to go work there, they raised the prices to 3-8-12 (at the time Yihao was 3-6-9 / now is 3-6-10 and Eurasia was 3-7-10 / now is 3-8-12) ; 4-10-16 (Yihao 3-7-10 / now is 4-10-15, Eurasia 4-9-13 / now is 4/10/15) ; 5-15-20 (Yihao 4-10-15 / now is 5-15-20, Eurasia remain same at 5-15-20) ; they also have a new category of 6-18-25 (Eurasia follow suit with a 7-19-26). I don't think prices can go up anymore unless people continue to over spend on the WGs. Unfortunately, there are too many BigSwingingDicks in town willing to pay for the top models (all (about 12 of them) of the 7-19-26 WGs were selected at the flower street last night) and I see customers are continuing to select 2 or more girls to sit and letting them go before 10pm.
2) Some people are scare of the H1N9 virus thus is not coming until is over;
3) Malaysia is the midst of presidential election so they are staying home until is over;
4) RMB is too strong, current CP exchange rate at USD 1. 6.18; CAND 1. 6; HKD. 798. 1; SINGD 1. 4.95; Malay 1. 1.98.
Is this the beginning of the end or just a blip in the radar? I don't know but I hope at least is a wake up call for the big hotels in town to realize that their irresponsible actions can cause a ripple effect throughout all industries such as restaurants, shops, etc. All are feeling the current state of CP. Four more 4 STARs and above hotels (New Mayflower, Miraton II, Yaffa (ex Park Hyatt next to old Mayflower) , and EA hotel (STARS Landmark group which is part of the Miraton) are in construction, mega housing projects are being built all around CP, new shopping malls are in construction near Tesco and HuaRun (pedestrian street) , the signs are that CP will continue to prosper and grow. People will still come to CP because it is still one of the best place to play in the world but I see that the regulars will come less frequently and the place will price out some of the lower budget travelers thus the result is less customers coming to CP in the future.
BSD
With effect from 11/05/13 (Sat) all Hui Mei Tian Lun KTV staff are transferred to Hui Hua KTV for operations until furthur notice.
Guys,
Know this is a China forum but it is a kind of China question. I've got a couple of Chinese GF's both 25, both where virgins and I don't have any problems, recently I've hooked up with a married lady around 45 years old a similar age to me, she is an animal in bed amazing body etc etc but due to the situation of her being married it messes with my mind giving me a bit of a hardness problem, for the time being she's fine as I still manage one hard on with exstensive sucking from her, but second round no matter what soft as hell. I was given a 20mg Cialis last night and took it to see the effect, and nothing much happened, watch some porn and it came alive although that's normal, woke up this morning and it was raging hard. So my question is to those that have used Viagra or Cialis what happens after taking, will being with a girl and her sucking rubbing and general forplay guarantee a hard on?
Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home.I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higherBSD, what's your idea of how to stop this ridiculous inflation? Just boycott some of these places or anything else? I've boycotted Eurasia long time ago, and also won't visit the new HMTL. Nowdays, higher prices do not mean better quality or better service. Just pisses me off that I have to pay more to get the same or worser quality and service.
BSD, what's your idea of how to stop this ridiculous inflation? Just boycott some of these places or anything else? I've boycotted Eurasia long time ago, and also won't visit the new HMTL. Nowdays, higher prices do not mean better quality or better service. Just pisses me off that I have to pay more to get the same or worser quality and service.Support Support. Not going anytime soon till prices get reasonable.
Support Support. Not going anytime soon till prices get reasonable.I fully support the boycott too! Lets don't spoil the market.
I fully support the boycott too! Lets don't spoil the market.Well, I can't boycott CP altogether because there is no place comparable to it.
I'll stay away from those big KTV / Hotels that fuck up the market (Eurasia, HMTL) and other high priced ones, but how do you party in CP without overpaying and supporting the spoiled market?
Maybe just pay for Sauna, since for KTV most of the time I feel like I'm paying to entertain the gals; shouldn't it be the other way around?
Well, I can't boycott CP altogether because there is no place comparable to it.
I'll stay away from those big KTV / Hotels that fuck up the market (Eurasia, HMTL) and other high priced ones, but how do you party in CP without overpaying and supporting the spoiled market?
Maybe just pay for Sauna, since for KTV most of the time I feel like I'm paying to entertain the gals; shouldn't it be the other way around?That's right, we just stay away from the expensive places like Eurasia and HMTL and also not sitting those expensively priced KTV girls like the model and supermodel grades.
Cloud Palms
05-17-13, 01:37
That's right, we just stay away from the expensive places like Eurasia and HMTL and also not sitting those expensively priced KTV girls like the model and supermodel grades.don't just boycott but complain to the management every time. These places hate bad press and confrontations and enough people complain things may change. Things need to get voiced out.
Also when sitting any girl model or not, get their mommys number from the DJ and if they give you a bad vibe or attitude then call the mommy right away to get her to shape up. Again might not work but at least you will be making the girl embarrassed and pay a price for doing a poor job of servicing. Sometimes you may want to cut the losses and pay them off to leave so you can pick another girl. I disagree as since youll be paying them the same price no matter how long she stays (unless for first 10 minutes) , so let her sit there for the whole night and check her cellphone then pay her when you're ready to leave. Point is make them earn their money and don't give them another chance to get picked by another guy, these girls second most valuable asset is their time. They know they are on limited time in this business, most quit within or around 1 year. Decreasing their money earned will let them know to shape up.
don't just boycott but complain to the management every time. These places hate bad press and confrontations and enough people complain things may change. Things need to get voiced out.
Also when sitting any girl model or not, get their mommys number from the DJ and if they give you a bad vibe or attitude then call the mommy right away to get her to shape up. Again might not work but at least you will be making the girl embarrassed and pay a price for doing a poor job of servicing. Sometimes you may want to cut the losses and pay them off to leave so you can pick another girl. I disagree as since youll be paying them the same price no matter how long she stays (unless for first 10 minutes) , so let her sit there for the whole night and check her cellphone then pay her when you're ready to leave. Point is make them earn their money and don't give them another chance to get picked by another guy, these girls second most valuable asset is their time. They know they are on limited time in this business, most quit within or around 1 year. Decreasing their money earned will let them know to shape up.I totally agree with you. When I meet some girls who give bad service in the KTV room, I straight away complained to the mummy / manager. Just like what you said, sometimes my complaint is effective and the girl made good improvement after I complained but sometimes not. However, at least I had done my part and I think my complaint will actually be benefit the next customer who called the same girl.
I totally agree with you. When I meet some girls who give bad service in the KTV room, I straight away complained to the mummy / manager. Just like what you said, sometimes my complaint is effective and the girl made good improvement after I complained but sometimes not. However, at least I had done my part and I think my complaint will actually be benefit the next customer who called the same girl.Worth complaining to mommy, but don't expect a world of difference, as from that point on you soured the relationship with the girl. If it's more than 15 min and its too late to send her back for free, and she has pissed me off, I just send her to the corner and have her sit alone with no phone for the whole time by herself. This just embarasses her for the session and makes her think again before giving black-face additude again.
Hi, I am new here and is my first post. Have been reading forum for a while now and CP sounds like the place to be, I most spend the year in east China, Ningbo which does not have much going on.
Will be in Dongguan alone on the 21st May for first time, but unfortunatly have only the one night and want to make the most of it.
Would like to go KTV but alone does not seem like it is an ption, wondering if anyone is heading out that night?
JPK00
Hi, I am new here and is my first post. Have been reading forum for a while now and CP sounds like the place to be, I most spend the year in east China, Ningbo which does not have much going on.
Will be in Dongguan alone on the 21st May for first time, but unfortunatly have only the one night and want to make the most of it.
Would like to go KTV but alone does not seem like it is an ption, wondering if anyone is heading out that night?
JPK00Hi,
First time in CP, just one night and want to join KTV party?
Best option is to contact a guide there, IMHO.
I recommand BSD (Big Swinging Dave) , he's the man when it comes about organizing KTV party. You can get his contact in the ad section.
Have fun.
Hi,
First time in CP, just one night and want to join KTV party?
Best option is to contact a guide there, IMHO.
I recommend BSD (Big Swinging Dave) , he's the man when it comes about organizing KTV party. You can get his contact in the ad section.
Have fun.I also recommend BSD for your first time, however, a qualifier. If you are staying in a reasonable hotel with its own KTV, then you could go alone. Just ask for the costs up front so you know what you are dealing with and how much to expect to spend over the course of the evening. The KTV alone is not as much fun as with a group, but still a reasonable way to relax and take a girl back to your room. I do it often as most of the places I go there are very limited choices as to someone to buddy up with. If you go alone, expect to spend up to 2000 RMB for room, drinks, and girl LT. I normally spend about 1500 to 1600 RMB for this kind of evening. Yes, I know it is more than a Sauna or BBS, but it is what I enjoy. At my age, the "wham bam thank you ma'am" is not what I am looking for, maybe 40 years ago it was OK, but I've learned to enjoy the whole trip, not just how it ends-it ends soon enough anyway!
MrClen
I think this point has been brought up before, but I get the strong suspicion that you are expecting to be "entertained" while you are at the KTV. At least IMHO, you ARE the entertainment. The things you seek IN the KTV almost never happen, at least in recent times. In the more than three years I have been going to CP. (I know a relative newbie) , I can count on less than one hand the times it was "wild and crazy" in a KTV and ALL of those were private or semi-private parties where the people all knew each other fairly well. The dice games etc are the way to get the party started and if you don't want to participate things are usually pretty mellow. On occasion, everything "clicks", but usually takes some effort. My experience that BSD does a great job of getting the room involved as long as the people are willing to go that route, but the girls rarely start anything.
This may truly be a case where KTV doesn't fit your idea of fun, I have enjoyed really good "chill" parties as well as some that everyone was dancing around having a good time. It really does depend on the vibe in the room.
A "fantastic" KTV girl is a rare bird and most of the time is the result of sitting her more than once, or even bringing her along with you when you visit another KTV.
The sauna girls are better well trained in the sexual arts. But I enjoy the party atmosphere of the KTV.Sky: I have trying to PM you but your Mail Box is full-empty some and we'll try to get together. MrClen
Worth complaining to mommy, but don't expect a world of difference, as from that point on you soured the relationship with the girl. If it's more than 15 min and its too late to send her back for free, and she has pissed me off, I just send her to the corner and have her sit alone with no phone for the whole time by herself. This just embarasses her for the session and makes her think again before giving black-face additude again.Thank you for your advise, but how do you make sure that she has no phone?
Thanks guys,
Unfortunately No parties on tomorrow night so I may have to go it alone or just hit the suanas, unless any other guys also intrested.
Yep. This is advice is Golden. I hate the "just pay the girl to avoid trouble attitude." Thanks for posting this.
LAMonkey
Worth complaining to mommy, but don't expect a world of difference, as from that point on you soured the relationship with the girl. If it's more than 15 min and its too late to send her back for free, and she has pissed me off, I just send her to the corner and have her sit alone with no phone for the whole time by herself. This just embarasses her for the session and makes her think again before giving black-face additude again.
Ace Gallant
05-21-13, 06:06
I think this point has been brought up before, but I get the strong suspicion that you are expecting to be "entertained" while you are at the KTV. At least IMHO, you ARE the entertainment. The things you seek IN the KTV almost never happen, at least in recent times. In the more than three years I have been going to CP. (I know a relative newbie) , I can count on less than one hand the times it was "wild and crazy" in a KTV and ALL of those were private or semi-private parties where the people all knew each other fairly well. The dice games etc are the way to get the party started and if you don't want to participate things are usually pretty mellow. On occasion, everything "clicks", but usually takes some effort. My experience that BSD does a great job of getting the room involved as long as the people are willing to go that route, but the girls rarely start anything.
This may truly be a case where KTV doesn't fit your idea of fun, I have enjoyed really good "chill" parties as well as some that everyone was dancing around having a good time. It really does depend on the vibe in the room.
A "fantastic" KTV girl is a rare bird and most of the time is the result of sitting her more than once, or even bringing her along with you when you visit another KTV.
The sauna girls are better well trained in the sexual arts. But I enjoy the party atmosphere of the KTV.Well Sky,
The good old days are gone, there was a time when we would play strip poker with the KTV girls in the KTVs, they don't even hesitiate to strip and they don't even ask for any extra $$. We do that all the time in big or small KTVs, Miraton, Hui Hua, Swan Lake, Red Lion or wherever. I am sure oldtimers like OAH, Fast Ed, Moody, can all remember. There will always be some bubbely girl that always carries lots of fun with them and there will always be those quiet ones. But today, it's all about $$$.
Over publicity of CP had brought this place to it state today and I remember making this sentence over 5 years back that we should not be over advertising CP on the web.
Well, it's also part and puzzle of a developing country or developing town.
As for Saunas you are right, it is the sexual skillset that we go there for. We just want to get it out and these girls are "trained" the do that! While for the KTVs, I go there because I want to spend some time with the girl or girls before bedding them. Perhaps that gets me a little more "feelings" in the sex and also the girl is more relax with you later up in your room. And also the fact that when I go to KTVs, I don't only just choose one girl, a will get a few; 1) For the competition between themselves; so that they work harder. 2) More choices.
As said, the good old days are gone for CP, let move to a greener pasture. Can hit CP once a year to visit old friends but I wouldn't make it a destination just for mongering. However China is huge, so there will always be another town like CP hidden somewhere and it is for us to discover. So, you're up for the Roadtrip soon? &61514;
Enjoy!
AG
Sky: I have trying to PM you but your Mail Box is full-empty some and we'll try to get together. MrClenDone, sorry about that. Can't add Inbox and sent. Public schooling.
Worth complaining to mommy, but don't expect a world of difference, as from that point on you soured the relationship with the girl. If it's more than 15 min and its too late to send her back for free, and she has pissed me off, I just send her to the corner and have her sit alone with no phone for the whole time by herself. This just embarasses her for the session and makes her think again before giving black-face additude again.Complaining to the Mummy does not work. She will just pacify you. Blah blah blah because these days the Mummy depends more on the girls rather than the opposite which was how it was previously.
If the gal shows no response, plays a lot with her Iphone or gives you attitude.
1) Discreetly tell the DJ to call the Area Manager.
2) If the DJ does not oblige (They mostly won't for fear of respite from the gals ). Stand outside your room an wait for the Area Manager to make a complaint.
It works because the area manager gets commision from the rmb 500 fine to the girl. Bear in mind that it kinda spoils the mood for those who thinks of romancing the girls in the room but the remaining girls will perk up with their attitude.
You do not have to pay for the girls sitting fee.
Complaining to the Mummy does not work. She will just pacify you. Blah blah blah because these days the Mummy depends more on the girls rather than the opposite which was how it was previously.
If the gal shows no response, plays a lot with her Iphone or gives you attitude.
1) Discreetly tell the DJ to call the Area Manager.
2) If the DJ does not oblige (They mostly won't for fear of respite from the gals ). Stand outside your room an wait for the Area Manager to make a complaint.
It works because the area manager gets commision from the rmb 500 fine to the girl. Bear in mind that it kinda spoils the mood for those who thinks of romancing the girls in the room but the remaining girls will perk up with their attitude.
You do not have to pay for the girls sitting fee.Have you done this and did it work? I had one bad experience, (see KTV girl from hell) , and took her back downstairs to the Mommy but all I got was a blank stare and shown the back to the elevator. That is the one and only bad KTV experience I have ever had-of course the girl quality varied from great to OK, but you take your chances on that.
Well Sky,
The good old days are gone, there was a time when we would play strip poker with the KTV girls in the KTVs, they don't even hesitiate to strip and they don't even ask for any extra $$. We do that all the time in big or small KTVs, Miraton, Hui Hua, Swan Lake, Red Lion or wherever. I am sure oldtimers like OAH, Fast Ed, Moody, can all remember. There will always be some bubbely girl that always carries lots of fun with them and there will always be those quiet ones. But today, it's all about $$$.
As said, the good old days are gone for CP, let move to a greener pasture. Can hit CP once a year to visit old friends but I wouldn't make it a destination just for mongering. However China is huge, so there will always be another town like CP hidden somewhere and it is for us to discover. So, you're up for the Roadtrip soon? &61514;
Enjoy!
AGAG,
While I tend to agree, and I was not in CP in what is now becoming known as the "heyday", I still must admit that there are parts of it that I enjoy a lot. You are correct that it is now more about just partying with friends (new or old) than trying to score a "hot" Chinese girl.
As far as exploring. Count me in! I enjoy being one of the "few, the proud, the lonely white guy", to push the frontiers of "underexplored" ways to enjoy Chinese girls. LEAD ON!
Ace Gallant
05-21-13, 17:21
Complaining to the Mummy does not work. She will just pacify you. Blah blah blah because these days the Mummy depends more on the girls rather than the opposite which was how it was previously.
If the gal shows no response, plays a lot with her Iphone or gives you attitude.
1) Discreetly tell the DJ to call the Area Manager.
2) If the DJ does not oblige (They mostly won't for fear of respite from the gals ). Stand outside your room an wait for the Area Manager to make a complaint.
It works because the area manager gets commision from the rmb 500 fine to the girl. Bear in mind that it kinda spoils the mood for those who thinks of romancing the girls in the room but the remaining girls will perk up with their attitude.
You do not have to pay for the girls sitting fee.Right on! This I am sure come from an experience monger who know the real tricks of how a KTV works.
Enjoy!
AG
AG,
While I tend to agree, and I was not in CP in what is now becoming known as the "heyday", I still must admit that there are parts of it that I enjoy a lot. You are correct that it is now more about just partying with friends (new or old) than trying to score a "hot" Chinese girl.
As far as exploring. Count me in! I enjoy being one of the "few, the proud, the lonely white guy", to push the frontiers of "underexplored" ways to enjoy Chinese girls. LEAD ON!Sent you an email after you cleared your PM box. PM back if you want to try that road trip.
Complaining to the Mummy does not work. She will just pacify you. Blah blah blah because these days the Mummy depends more on the girls rather than the opposite which was how it was previously.
If the gal shows no response, plays a lot with her Iphone or gives you attitude.
1) Discreetly tell the DJ to call the Area Manager.
2) If the DJ does not oblige (They mostly won't for fear of respite from the gals ). Stand outside your room an wait for the Area Manager to make a complaint.
It works because the area manager gets commision from the rmb 500 fine to the girl. Bear in mind that it kinda spoils the mood for those who thinks of romancing the girls in the room but the remaining girls will perk up with their attitude.
You do not have to pay for the girls sitting fee.Bro Ditto88,
Good advice.
These are the Inspectors that you're refering to and not Area Managers.
As to whether you've to pay for the sitting fee or not will also depend on the circumstances.
However as a consumer your focus is to have fun and not to deal with such hassles directly yourself.
The more effective way is to request the person whom you book the KTV room from to handle for you.
Effective and efficient: Agent, Manager.
Useless and waste time: DJ, Mummy.
In the event that the KTV room is booked from DJ or Mummy just look for the Inspector directly to solve your issues.
Nowadays it's getting harder and harder to control the situation in Changping KTV rooms due to popularity.
Before a KTV session all group members should have a consensus on the "rules and regulations" all members should observe to ensure maximum enjoyment.
Cheers and have fun in KTV.
ISO 9000,
That's also good and useful advice.
Thanks,
LAMonkey
Bro Ditto88,
Good advice.
These are the Inspectors that you're refering to and not Area Managers.
As to whether you've to pay for the sitting fee or not will also depend on the circumstances.
However as a consumer your focus is to have fun and not to deal with such hassles directly yourself.
The more effective way is to request the person whom you book the KTV room from to handle for you.
Effective and efficient: Agent, Manager.
Useless and waste time: DJ, Mummy.
In the event that the KTV room is booked from DJ or Mummy just look for the Inspector directly to solve your issues.
Nowadays it's getting harder and harder to control the situation in Changping KTV rooms due to popularity.
Before a KTV session all group members should have a consensus on the "rules and regulations" all members should observe to ensure maximum enjoyment.
Cheers and have fun in KTV.
Going with a friend to CP July 15-22, it will be my 2nd time going after a 2 week trip in 2009. At the time we basically spent an entire week at Mayflower (staying at the hotel and spending nights at the KTV) making friends with the host, DJ and mamas there. The experience changed my life and have been waiting for the chance ever since to head back.
Seems like a lot has changed since then, though I may have made the mistake of only going to the Mayflower in 2009. This was all at the advice (and mayflower business card) of a friend that went the year before. I had none of the advice of this forum as truthfully, I didn't even know a community like this existed. Its unfortunate a lot of the prices are increasing, and I believe when I went in 2009 it was the beginning of the price increase transition as certain girls had special name tags signifying they were higher price girls.
I speak decent mandarin, which I think helps a lot creating chemistry with the girls as they can completely tell I'm an asian american but love the "accent". Anyway, this time around I think I'll check out some of the newer (larger) ktvs and check out the quality of girl there. I truly hope I won't be one of those that are saying the experience at CP has gone downhill as I believe this is one of the greatest man paradises on the planet.
With that said, any new establishments I have to try out? Also, any of these infamous KTV parties going on during those dates?
Thanks,
DL
When I make a complain, I will just ask for the mommy to tell her to kick her girl out and waive the sitting fee for lousy service. If she doesn't, I will just complain to the manager that handle all the mommies. Most of the time, the mommy will just ask you to pay 100rmb for the girl and change another one that is from her group. But if you still don't feel like paying at all, than just ask for the manager because if the manager show up, the mommy will be fine 500rmb and her girl will fine 300rmb. That was Mayflower before, now sure about other KTVs.
Bro Ditto88,
Good advice.
These are the Inspectors that you're refering to and not Area Managers.
As to whether you've to pay for the sitting fee or not will also depend on the circumstances.
However as a consumer your focus is to have fun and not to deal with such hassles directly yourself.
The more effective way is to request the person whom you book the KTV room from to handle for you.
Effective and efficient: Agent, Manager.
Useless and waste time: DJ, Mummy.
In the event that the KTV room is booked from DJ or Mummy just look for the Inspector directly to solve your issues.
Nowadays it's getting harder and harder to control the situation in Changping KTV rooms due to popularity.
Before a KTV session all group members should have a consensus on the "rules and regulations" all members should observe to ensure maximum enjoyment.
Cheers and have fun in KTV.
When I make a complain, I will just ask for the mommy to tell her to kick her girl out and waive the sitting fee for lousy service. If she doesn't, I will just complain to the manager that handle all the mommies. Most of the time, the mommy will just ask you to pay 100rmb for the girl and change another one that is from her group. But if you still don't feel like paying at all, than just ask for the manager because if the manager show up, the mommy will be fine 500rmb and her girl will fine 300rmb. That was Mayflower before, now sure about other KTVs.This is a very good idea, I will try this if I meet a bad altitude girl next time.
Ham Sap Lo
05-28-13, 22:56
seeing as this is one of the most popular threads in the china forum, i decided to make a slight detour to cp to see it for myself. initially i emailed dave since i figured that would be the most effective way to make use of my limited time in cp. however, he responded that the day i'd picked was pretty dead and that i would be the only one. anyway, i arrived at shenzhen airport, totally unprepared. i only had this thread saved onto my phone.
first mistake i made, and i hope at least someone else reads this to not repeat the mistake: don't take the bus from shenzhen airport to cp. it's either 48 or 78 rmb (can't remember exactly) , and it's an utter waste of time. from start to finish it was almost 2 and a half hours, which is completely unacceptable to anyone with limited time. the bus initially stops on the outskirts of changping but then makes an extremely irritating, completely out of the way detour to dalangzhen, then doubles back to changping. i thought i was going to go nuts. it also didn't help that i was taking the bus ride during rush hour and there was tons of traffic on the detour. by the time i finally got to the cp bus station i was worried that i wouldn't be able to salvage my trip. apparently dave could have arranged a private car to do this journey in half the time, for 250 rmb.
even at the bus station i was disoriented and just wanted to get to the action. despite all the hate for hmtl on this thread i picked that hotel because that hotel was the only one i figured a taxi driver would understand. no idea what the chinese names for mayflower and walter are. hmtl is actually a pretty decent hotel. a weekday stay is only 300 rmb which is a pretty good bargain considering what you are getting, and there's free wifi throughout the hotel lobby and rooms. once i got settled in the room it was getting close to peak flower street time. now, i am mostly a sauna guy, but i figured that the whole point of coming to cp was to experience what it is known for, and from this thread, that seems to be the ktv party thing, so then i decided to call dave to get things setup and ensure i would have a good time. dave was really easy to talk to and informed me that i had chosen pretty much the most expensive place possible (yay). we met in the lobby and then went to the hmtl ktv on the 4th floor. apparently it is the most expensive, but not by much, and it's important to have your hotel room at the same place where you are doing your ktv party.
hmtl's flower street had around 400 girls that evening and because i went on a weekday, i had a pretty good selection. dave told me that usually there are a lot more clients so i had some pretty favorable circumstances. the mamas were pretty annoying trying to push girls on me but i just stuck to my guns and checked out all the merchandise before choosing. only a few of them had the solid eye contact i was looking for, which helped me narrow down the selection. i ended up with a cute girl from henan with the killer smile and eye contact, and another girl from hubei (not as flirty, but hotter). dave was really good about setting the mood of the party and keeping things going and despite doing this one solo i had a great time. we played a lot of liar's dice and dave kept mixing up the rules to keep the girls laughing and drinking. good work. there was also some crazy male manager that stopped in from time to time and drank with us, that guy was awesome, super loud and obviously a party animal, was great for the mood. also, one other interesting thing, it seems you guys on this thread have been complaining about the girls being inattentive or distracted by cell phones. dave told me that he'd gotten it prearranged so that the girls have their cell phones confirep001ed before entering your ktv room to ensure that they give you their undivided attention. not sure whether this is an hmtl thing or everywhere.
one other thing nice about hmtl (and all of cp i guess?) is that once you get your room, your sitting fee is good for the rest of the night, so you can really relax and not have to rush. when the beer was 75% done i decided to fuck the henan one which would give me enough time to recharge and do the hubei one later. henan girl changed out of the work uniform gown into a nice slinky black dress and we went up to my room. great service from her. she was shy at first but then came into the shower with me and we had a lot of teasing, then to the bed, lots of dfk, more teasing, then i went down on her and she got really wet. great fuck in numerous positions before i blew it into her. dave has her number if you're interested. returned to the ktv room to finish the rest of the beer and pay the bill after dave audited it. then i said bye bye to henan girl and took the hubei one up to fuck. she was good too, but not as gfe. she also kissed on the lips and showered with me, but it didn't seem as gfe as the the henan one, either because i'd blown it once already that evening or because the chemistry wasn't there. got her qq number anyway. then paid her and she left, and i was already comfortably in my room so i could go to sleep. dave also helped me arranged my transportation out of cp so the next morning i was ready to go.
hope to be back one day, you guys who get to be regular visitors are lucky people indeed.
Hi hsl.
First of all thanks for all information on the cd thread, really enjoy your posts and adventures in cd. I wish I could visit there often.
If you find yourself alone in CP. I usually take it ez in the evening and book 2 chicks for sn at 11pm. Then convince your favorite to spend the night with you. This strategy so far is 1 of the best in term of price-performance. I managed to convince at 50% of the time as some are too tired after a 14hrs shift.
You only need to pay 20kuai extra (some even free after 11p) to keep room overnight.
Cheers.
Staid
Despite all the hate for HMTL on this thread I picked that hotel because that hotel was the only one I figured a taxi driver would understandPity, because they also perfectly understand when you tell them "Yihao" (my favorite KTV in CP) , much cheaper than HMTL and with a good selection of girls too.
But at least it seems you had fun, that's the most important.
Alex
JingleBells99
05-30-13, 11:46
Hey Folks,
After a gap of a couple of months heading back to CP on June 2nd / 3rd. The last time I headed there with Ron888 was a blast!
We went at it back to back for two days, believe it was Yihao and the second day was at the KTV in the Plutocrat Hotel. Man, must say the second night was just wild. Came back to hongkong the following day with a broken belt, messed up shirt and a tired and spent Johnny.
Hoping to do a repeat and meet other gentlemen from this forum. Just checking if any of the fellow mongers are in CP around this time so we could party together. Am pretty sure Ron would be joining us as well.
Jingle!
Hey Folks,
After a gap of a couple of months heading back to CP on June 2nd / 3rd. The last time I headed there with Ron888 was a blast!
We went at it back to back for two days, believe it was Yihao and the second day was at the KTV in the Plutocrat Hotel. Man, must say the second night was just wild. Came back to hongkong the following day with a broken belt, messed up shirt and a tired and spent Johnny.
Hoping to do a repeat and meet other gentlemen from this forum. Just checking if any of the fellow mongers are in CP around this time so we could party together. Am pretty sure Ron would be joining us as well.
Jingle!Sounds as if you had a ball! Maybe when I make my next trip to CP the end of August we might get together. My first trip to CP was not that satisfying but I will try again. Mrclen
Ningbodude
05-31-13, 19:23
Hey guys,
I'm arranging my trip to CP next week on the 6/4-6/6. Should be spending 2 nights in DG. Anyone there around that time and wants to party together?
Blacklisted
06-03-13, 14:35
I'm hitting CP under Dave's guidance 15th to 18th June. Hope to party the Fuck out of it with some of you crew!
I'm hitting CP under Dave's guidance 15th to 18th June. Hope to party the Fuck out of it with some of you crew!I will be in Hangzhou Fuzhou and Xiamen anywhere near you?
Hi People.
I will be in CP for the very first time in a couple of days. Been hearing loads about the place. I will be going alone for some business in SZ. And will the spending the rest of my trip free & easy. Any recommendations for mixed KTV or Guides. I will be staying at the HuiHua.
P
Saw this FB fan page https://www.facebook.com/inchangping Seems pretty informative. Will have to try some of the food, and activities. The sauna looks fun.
Hi People.
I will be in CP for the very first time in a couple of days. Been hearing loads about the place. I will be going alone for some business in SZ. And will the spending the rest of my trip free & easy. Any recommendations for mixed KTV or Guides. I will be staying at the HuiHua.
P
LoveGirlsBi
06-07-13, 23:10
Hi folks,
I spend one night in Eurasia hotel, my first night in Dongguan, usually I stay in Shenzhen and find local girls in the streets near Luohu Shangri La or Shekou area.
I choosed Eurasia because many people advise this hotel, and it is effectively good. It was in April, during HK electronic fair and Canton fair, so the hotel was full. I choosed massage at 6th floor directly, and I had a first selection of 10 girls, I choosed 2 for 900 RMB, quite cheap and very nice girls, small but slim and young, as I like.
Difference with Shenzhen girls is that they are more professionnal, you have a good service. In SZ sometimes girls are not very motivated, and sometimes very good, but in the past years I was often disapointed. I had shower with the girls, and after they did put very often some spray on my dick, each time they change for playing with. This is not fun but maybe help to keep them safe. They claimed my dick was too big, so very little fucking time, but gave me a very good BJ, together as I like.
For 2 hours fun it was quite good, and I will come back, but it is really different from SZ girls.
During the same stay in China I found 2 very nice girls in SZ, one in Shekou in the street, full service for 400 and full night an other day for 800, really good GFE and 69. And an other one on a web site, little shy the first time, but gave me her phone and second time very nice and GFE also, for 600 or 500.
Finally I admit that Dongguan is interesting, but if you search in Shenzhen you can find good experience. I will try some massage parlor in SZ next time, looks like Shenzhen happy massage site gives good advice. Did you try some? Please comment.
This was the pre ChangPing Romp. In SZ in concluded my business in HuaQiangBei and weixin InChangPing once he found out that I was in HuaQiangBei he directed me to a massage joint which he said was a must try, I did not mind a massage because of the travel and I was told It included a HAPPY ENDING, InChangPing gave me good directions in english and I was taking photos and sending it to him along the way the whole experience was like a mini treasure hunt.
The cost was 238 rmb for 120 min session. I took a shower in the public shower area, and even paid a GUY to scrub the grime off me back. 30 rmb The girl that they sent was slim and pleasant looking she said she was 19 which seemed about right. The room had a massage bad a tiny TV which played local programing but honestly NOT here for the TV. The massage was really good the girl had nice strong hands and applied pressure slowly, I enjoyed the massage very much upper back, neck, arms, legs and so on. Then she started massaging my butt, butt crack, balls and dick while I was on my back OMG that was soooooo. Good. Was raging HARD and she asked me to turn over massaged my thighs balls and butt. This was driving me nuts all the while smiling at me upright member. Then she slipped off her bra and straddled me put my hands on a naked breast and with her hands behind her back grabbed my member and started pulling away. Was like she was doing cowgirl. My hands roamed her boobs and even slipped a finger under her she was soaking. No sex just HJ but what a hand job that was best ever. After the HJ was cleaned up with a hot towel she washed her hands and massaged my head and shoulders. She never asked for a tip but I slipped her something extra.
Arrived in CP original plans was to stay at HuiMei but as I was late and a Friday my room was given away. Called InChangPing he told me to head over to the Walter the Room Sales Manager met me in the lobby and handed me the room card keys after I passed her me passport to register. The room was pretty good at 300 rmb per night no complaints. Was hungry and needed some food so headed down to FeiPo Roast Goose and had a Roast Goose rice at 20 rmb + 1 rmb for tissue haha. Good meal in all.
The massage session left me for more and I was pretty tired so headed down to XiongShi for some Sauna fun. The hotel was old and they had a sauna show like a catwalk that showed off all the girls InChangPing arranged for a manager to attend to me, I picked a SYT.
I have had the sauna experience before but the girl was great, I was told that this sanua catered to mostly the Taiwanese and Hong Kong visitors who are very service oriented so was very good.
Headed back to the hotel for an early night InChangPing advised to drop by HengLi a DVD shop and purchase some DVD in case I couldn't sleep which I did. Many latest english titles.
Spent the night with IRON MAN 3.
P
Saw this FB fan page.
https://www.facebook.com/inchangping
Seems pretty informative. Will have to try some of the food, and activities. The sauna looks fun.
ManonsanBoy
06-09-13, 19:00
Went to a very successful sauna operation in Tangxia. Had a newbie; she just finished 1 month of training. After submitting to her ministrations which was good if a little disjointed, I talked to her about the training. She is 21 from Henan. Usual story; poor farm girl but was in education until 17 when she had to go make a living. She was recruited to come to Shenzhen and found herself in a dry massage instead of sales. No trickery; just happened that way. Made 3000-5000 a month average but hard work; 12 hour day. Picked up extras having assignations with regular massage clients from Hong Kong. Financial crisis at home made making 20000 a month a necessity; soon recruited by mamasan whom she describes as a good person. Had to pay 5000 as a training fee. She is used to dealing with bare skin so her training was faster. They asked her to scrub and bathe a man; done. Usual refinements taught. Then practice all the fuvu with a woman coach. Sucking cock was practice on you guess it a cucumber. I was her first customer after training. She was super horny and enthuiastic rather than nervous. Her clitoris was super hard. When she realised that my hard on remained after cuming (Viagra) she put another condom on and got on top. Just confirms my opinion the time to get sauna girl is in the first 3 months in the trade for them. After a year they are burnt out.
Went to a very successful sauna operation in Tangxia. Had a newbie; she just finished 1 month of training. After submitting to her ministrations which was good if a little disjointed, I talked to her about the training. She is 21 from Henan. Usual story; poor farm girl but was in education until 17 when she had to go make a living. She was recruited to come to Shenzhen and found herself in a dry massage instead of sales. No trickery; just happened that way. Made 3000-5000 a month average but hard work; 12 hour day. Picked up extras having assignations with regular massage clients from Hong Kong. Financial crisis at home made making 20000 a month a necessity; soon recruited by mamasan whom she describes as a good person. Had to pay 5000 as a training fee. She is used to dealing with bare skin so her training was faster. They asked her to scrub and bathe a man; done. Usual refinements taught. Then practice all the fuvu with a woman coach. Sucking cock was practice on you guess it a cucumber. I was her first customer after training. She was super horny and enthuiastic rather than nervous. Her clitoris was super hard. When she realised that my hard on remained after cuming (Viagra) she put another condom on and got on top. Just confirms my opinion the time to get sauna girl is in the first 3 months in the trade for them. After a year they are burnt out.I guess I agree, as I have yet to have a good sauna experience. Tried again (I don't like to give up with all the good reports I read) in my hotel. I think that the one year thing is true with all the WG's. Sauna in my hotel: I know I was crazy, but was desperate to have a good Sauna experience. Paid the top price of 1000 RMB, figuring that would assure a complete service. WRONG AGAIN! I picked a cute girl will all the proper attributes, The usual things mentioned in the forum, fire & ice, pop rocks, some squiggly thing in her mouth while she worked on BBBJ, some rimming, and time to put on the condom. Now as she was rather mechanical, no DFK, DATY, etc, I was hard but just not that excited. CG, RCG, Mish, and a couple other positions. She may have came or just good acting. Couldn't pop so finished off by hand, she wouldn't do anymore BBBJ as I guess that was not part of the routine, and routine it was! I had p[aid for two hours in my room, but she got dressed and left after 1:30. Maybe the next time I get super horny I'll try again, but am in no rush!
Mr. Clen,
Here's some friendly advice. Learn some basic Chinese. The key to having good service is to be able to communicate with the girl, even at a very basic level. Those guys who come back after mastering a few phrases report having overall better service. The other option is to have BSD pick a girl for you who is known to give good service. Unfortunately, there is some skill involved in having a good time in China and there is a steep learning curve if you don't speak Chinese. That's my opinion, in any case good luck to you next time.
LAMonkey
I guess I agree, as I have yet to have a good sauna experience...
ManonsanBoy
06-10-13, 10:29
I guess I agree, as I have yet to have a good sauna experience. Tried again (I don't like to give up with all the good reports I read) in my hotel. I think that the one year thing is true with all the WG's. Sauna in my hotel: I know I was crazy, but was desperate to have a good Sauna experience. Paid the top price of 1000 RMB, figuring that would assure a complete service. WRONG AGAIN! I picked a cute girl will all the proper attributes, The usual things mentioned in the forum, fire & ice, pop rocks, some squiggly thing in her mouth while she worked on BBBJ, some rimming, and time to put on the condom. Now as she was rather mechanical, no DFK, DATY, etc, I was hard but just not that excited. CG, RCG, Mish, and a couple other positions. She may have came or just good acting. Couldn't pop so finished off by hand, she wouldn't do anymore BBBJ as I guess that was not part of the routine, and routine it was! I had p[aid for two hours in my room, but she got dressed and left after 1:30. Maybe the next time I get super horny I'll try again, but am in no rush!I find the top models looks great but service is often not as good as lower in the foodchain.
I find the top models looks great but service is often not as good as lower in the foodchain.I've been in China too, and girls are just delicious.
ManonsanBoy
06-11-13, 01:03
I've been in China too, and girls are just delicious.If you speak Chinese, southern China is a great place for mongering. It is not the cheapest but IMHO it must be close to being the best. I have not been to Latvia, Cuba and places like that but I have been to most places in south america and asia. I monger in Tangxia because I also play golf.
During the last few days I picked up an app called WeChat (Weixin). My written Chinese is NOT great but passable I also have google translate for words and phrases I have never seen before. There is a short article with fishing instructions on the ChangPing Fan Page. https://www.facebook.com/inchangping
I was sitting at starbucks and just for the heck of it looked arround on Weixin and out popped a whole page of girls from 100m to 1000m away, I message bombed the page (which is a no no see article). But finally got a bite. A sales girl from Tian Hong selling women wear on the 3rd floor. Just going for her lunch break. I told her I was new in town and did not know where to eat. And offered to buy lunch if she joined me. The response was OK but can she bring a friend. Not really an issue to me I have to eat why eat alone when I can have 2 women with me.
Long story short Nothing happened as I am leaving tomorrow but I see the play potential of weixin try it the next time ya there.
P
Worldguy72
06-12-13, 08:38
During the last few days I picked up an app called WeChat (Weixin). My written Chinese is NOT great but passable I also have google translate for words and phrases I have never seen before. There is a short article with fishing instructions on the ChangPing Fan Page.
I was sitting at starbucks and just for the heck of it looked arround on Weixin and out popped a whole page of girls from 100m to 1000m away, I message bombed the page (which is a no no see article). But finally got a bite. A sales girl from Tian Hong selling women wear on the 3rd floor. Just going for her lunch break. I told her I was new in town and did not know where to eat. And offered to buy lunch if she joined me. The response was OK but can she bring a friend. Not really an issue to me I have to eat why eat alone when I can have 2 women with me.
Long story short Nothing happened as I am leaving tomorrow but I see the play potential of weixin try it the next time ya there.
PBe careful of criminals using that app. I know girls are being trained to lure suckers to go with them and then bam you're stuck with four guys extorting you for money. Or girls wanting you to go back with them to their home town after you meet them a few days and you disappear forever.
China is still a poor country and people will use what ever means to get into your pocket just play and stay safe.
WG
Mr. Clen,
Here's some friendly advice. Learn some basic Chinese. The key to having good service is to be able to communicate with the girl, even at a very basic level. Those guys who come back after mastering a few phrases report having overall better service. The other option is to have BSD pick a girl for you who is known to give good service. Unfortunately, there is some skill involved in having a good time in China and there is a steep learning curve if you don't speak Chinese. That's my opinion, in any case good luck to you next time.
LAMonkeyI can speak a few words and phases and manage to communicate on a very basic level. I also use the translator and find that really helps. If you can, outline the skill you are talking about and the, learning curve. Do you think they are used to more aggressive men? As an American we are unfortunately used to being somewhat controlled by our women and open doors, ask what they want and treat them mostly with respect as an equal.
I usually do the KTV thing and pick my girl, and while not hitting a home run every time, more often than not, very satisfactory! I have a regular KTV girl when necessary. The trip I just returned from I had 10 girls in 11 days. 1st-great +.2nd dud. 3rd great. 4th wild and looked like was going to be a wild night until red showed up and ended the evening. 6th very good. 7th Sauna girl OK. 8th very good. 9th total waste. 10th regular girl always very very good. Now, of course, my idea of great, good, dud, etc is probably much different than yours. I see where the high school boys on the forum figure that if they got to play a bit with the girl that constitutes great for them. I am just a bit beyond stink finger and a HJ. Mrclen
SilverSurfie
06-14-13, 06:45
During the last few days I picked up an app called WeChat (Weixin). My written Chinese is NOT great but passable I also have google translate for words and phrases I have never seen before. There is a short article with fishing instructions on the ChangPing Fan Page.
https://www.facebook.com/inchangping
I was sitting at starbucks and just for the heck of it looked arround on Weixin and out popped a whole page of girls from 100m to 1000m away, I message bombed the page (which is a no no see article). But finally got a bite. A sales girl from Tian Hong selling women wear on the 3rd floor. Just going for her lunch break. I told her I was new in town and did not know where to eat. And offered to buy lunch if she joined me. The response was OK but can she bring a friend. Not really an issue to me I have to eat why eat alone when I can have 2 women with me.
Long story short Nothing happened as I am leaving tomorrow but I see the play potential of weixin try it the next time ya there.
PBringing a friend is pretty SOP here in China for first dates. So if they say they are bringing a friend you can expect it to be pretty tame as the friend is really there to run interference and to provide a second set of eyes (really second opinion) on if the guy is dateable or not.
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Fellas, please come to CP and play responsibly, if not, CP will become like Shanghai where the girls will be in the thousands range, have lousy service acting like princesses and they don't even go home. Stop being BSDs and not ruin it for others to enjoy. I have an idea on how to stop this and even roll back the prices a bit, will you guys help me and get other people from other forums to ban together to do it. If not, it won't work and the prices will just keep going up higher. And higher. There is no one but ourselves to blame because regardless of whats happening, hotels cannot be built fast enough for people to stay in in CP, it's sad, it's not what CP used to be, we can do something about it, it's simple and not that hard to do but we need to ban together and do it. Unfortunately, we have to use our big brain not our little brain (I know this could be a challenge to some people. Haha).
For the people that comes to CP that knows me, I don't usually do this but I don't want this awesome place to go to shit.
BSD
Suggestion for a plan:
Warn the mommies and managers about the price and a rollback if possible. If they can't, a boycott will happen.
My suggestion is everyone banning together and boycott just ONE weekend. Pick a weekend to let everyone know NOT to go to CP. Spread the news on other forums and word of mouth. Just one weekend, the city as a together will lose a lot of money. The date should be a few months in advance. It will give people to prepare because many guys might have purchased their plane tickets already. It too late to cancel their trip if it's a short notice.
If the boycott is successful, and they still don't want to roll back the prices, another possible future boycott can be planned.
Wee
for the non chinese speaking ktv fan if ya can't converse with your girl.
my suggestion is play liar's dice. here a short write up on how from.
https://www.facebook.com/inchangping
place the dice in the cup. (5 dice)
cover the cup with your hand.
shake the cup with the dice inside.
place (or slam) your cup upside down on the table. keep your dice hidden from others.
carefully lift the cup and peek at your dice. be careful not to reveal your dice to other players.
the first player calls out two numbers: first, how many dice on the table he or she thinks have been rolled on a number between one and six. for example, player one could say 'two fives, ' which means he or she thinks there are at least two dice that are fives among all the players' dice (including his or her own). at this point, all players can accept what has been called out and move on to player two or call player one out, which will end the round and result in a winner or loser for the round.
if player one calls out 'two fives, ' it does not matter whether player one has a five or not as bluffing is allowed (and encouraged) in liar's dice. it only matters if another player believes player one is bluffing and calls him or her out on it. in that instance, everyone must remove his or her cups and reveal their dice. if player one is correct, the player who calls him or her out must take a sip of his or her drink, take a shot, or pay money. if player one is wrong, then player one must take a sip of his or her drink, take a shot, or pay money. the round is then over and the winner begins the next round of play.
if player one's call is accepted, then player two calls out a number. the first number must be greater than what player one called. for example, if player one called out 'two fives, ' player two must call out three or higher for his or her first number, so 'three fives, ' 'three fours, ' or four twos' would all be acceptable. 'one five' or 'two sixes' would be unacceptable.
game play continues around the table until someone is called out. once a player is called out, the round is over. the next round begins with each player placing their dice in their cups, shaking them, placing their cups upside down on the table, and so on. the numbers that can be called out are reset with the first player (the winner from the previous round) having the ability to call out any number combination.
tips:
optional rules.
one is considered a wild number, which means it can be any number between two and six.
add 2 to reverse the direction of the players.
add 3 to pick any player.
below is the chinese hand signals. if ya can't even count to 10 in chinese.
one: hold up your hand and extend the pointer finger upward.
two: hold up your hand and extend the pointer and middle fingers upward into a v-shape (like a peace sign).
three: hold up your hand and extend the pointer, middle, and ring fingers upward.
four: hold up your hand and extend the pointer, middle, ring and pinky fingers upward.
five: hold up your hand with all five fingers extended upward (like a stop sign) or pinch all five fingers together.
six: fold the pointer, middle, and ring fingers into a fist and extend the thumb and pinky fingers outward.
seven: make a fist and extend the thumb outward and pointer finger downward.
eight: make a first and extend the thumb upward and the pointer finger forward (like a gun).
nine: make a fist, extend the pointer finger and curve it (like making a 'c').
ten: make a fist or using two hands, extend the pointer finger of the right hand upward and with the left hand extend the pointer finger to the right and cross it with the right hand forming a + sign.
pwhile i, and i am sure others, appreciate the rules of liars dice, i still don't get it. what's the point? a small sip of a weak drink or similar doesn't do it for me. this seems even lamer than the spin-the bottle we used to play in junior and high school. this is supposed to be, at least somewhat, adult entertainment. yes we can negotiate to bring the girl or girls back to our hotel, but that's a given. in my limited experience, there should be some sort of rules, set in place in the start of the evening, that get some clothes off, some groping, some kissing, heavier drinking, or other "real" penalties, etc, that make the game worthwhile. i've played the dice and in the places i've played, it was boring! much more fun to sing, dance and fool around. i have also, without going to the ktv, taken three ktv girls (no money involved) out to dinner and then back to my hotel where we played games and drank with the purpose of who lost their clothes first. now that was fun! i kept two lt and one left and at this point there was money involved, but what do you expect, these girls work for a living and if they don't show up for work in the ktv, they have to pay a fine to the mamasan.
this is just my pov and probably doesn't reflect the views of a lot of people on this forum. mrclen
Suggestion for a plan:
Warn the mommies and managers about the price and a rollback if possible. If they can't, a boycott will happen.
My suggestion is everyone banning together and boycott just ONE weekend. Pick a weekend to let everyone know NOT to go to CP. Spread the news on other forums and word of month. Just one weekend, the city as a together will lose a lot of money. The date should be a few months in advance. It will give people to prepare because many guys might have purchased their plane tickets already. It too late to cancel their trip if it's a short notice.
If the boycott is successful, and they still don't want to roll back the prices, another possible future boycott can be planned.
WeeAfter thinking about it, instead of boycott all of CP, banning together and just boycott a few places for a weekend.
After thinking about it, instead of boycott all of CP, banning together and just boycott a few places for a weekend.This would seem like the best approach, but I wonder just what percentage of the business in these KTV's, etc, are ISG members. If it is only a very small percentage then it's not going to do anything. It may be that the best approach is for the tour guide operators, BSD, ISO, and others I don't know about, to band together and just tell the places who have exorbitantly raised the prices, that they are not going to bring their groups there. Then purposely take their groups to the more reasonable places. It just seems to me to get a bunch of horny mongers to act together would be almost impossible. Perhaps the majority of the customers of the establishments in question would not even be aware of a boycott? After all, how many of these even know about ISG, the forums, etc. They are just businessmen and tourists with money to spend on entertainment.
So, it seems to me that the only long term approach is for the tour operators to blacklist the gougers. Hell, they could pick just one KTV and see if they could have any impact. If they did, then they could say,"we can do the same to you if we want to". My thoughts! Mrclen
This would seem like the best approach, but I wonder just what percentage of the business in these KTV's, etc, are ISG members. If it is only a very small percentage then it's not going to do anything. It may be that the best approach is for the tour guide operators, BSD, ISO, and others I don't know about, to band together and just tell the places who have exorbitantly raised the prices, that they are not going to bring their groups there. Then purposely take their groups to the more reasonable places. It just seems to me to get a bunch of horny mongers to act together would be almost impossible. Perhaps the majority of the customers of the establishments in question would not even be aware of a boycott? After all, how many of these even know about ISG, the forums, etc. They are just businessmen and tourists with money to spend on entertainment.
So, it seems to me that the only long term approach is for the tour operators to blacklist the gougers. Hell, they could pick just one KTV and see if they could have any impact. If they did, then they could say,"we can do the same to you if we want to". My thoughts! MrclenThere are many sex forums besides ISG. ISG is just one of many others. I, myself is on 3 other English forums besides ISG.
I know there are about 3-4 Chinese forums. Most likely, there's a Japanese forum. There also word of mouth. If some people do what to go, just ask those horny mongers to go some place else for the weekend in CP or another city. ie Zhuhai.
I was told the mommies at the CP BBS shops banned together to raise the price to $250 when it was once 200 for a long time. Before 200, it was only 150. We can try to do the same for a few places.
I am planning my next trip to CP in late August 21st. 22nd, and 23rd. It is my understanding from what I am able to glean from the forum that other areas somewhat close to CP such as Cheonging may provide a wilder, more enjoyable KTV experience than the more commercial ones in CP proper. I have been to CP and under the guidance of BSD, and while the girl quality was fantastic and I did enjoy the takeouts from the KTV's, the KTV's themselves were rather tame or lame. What I am hoping to find is just a bit more fun in the KTV itself. I stayed in the Walter Hotel last trip and enjoyed the KTV there (alone, but took two girls for LT). I didn't do the Sauna or BBS thing in CP as I wasn't clued in on that aspect of what was available.
I had found a report on Cheonging in ChangAn (CA) , Dongguan that mentioned three KTV's JiAn, Shatou, XingJiXing. Unfortunately I can't find it again. Does anyone have any suggestions on this area or others, hotel, KTV, etc. I would love to hook up with a group that knows how to party. And yes, I RTFF and will continue to do so in the hopes I can find what I am looking for. PM me if possible. Mrclen
Fast Eddie 48
06-26-13, 22:52
I am planning my next trip to CP in late August 21st. 22nd, and 23rd. It is my understanding from what I am able to glean from the forum that other areas somewhat close to CP such as Cheonging may provide a wilder, more enjoyable KTV experience than the more commercial ones in CP proper. I have been to CP and under the guidance of BSD, and while the girl quality was fantastic and I did enjoy the takeouts from the KTV's, the KTV's themselves were rather tame or lame. What I am hoping to find is just a bit more fun in the KTV itself. I stayed in the Walter Hotel last trip and enjoyed the KTV there (alone, but took two girls for LT)...To Mrclen.
I have travelled all over China and Asia cost on Mongering is going up everywhere not just CP, Chongqing is not near CP is 2 hr flight from Guangzhou and it is a big city many high tech company is based there, it is a very expensive city to play much more than CP an Shenzhen.
There are not many city in China is better than CP for KTV and bbs action still cheaper than most other city, you can try Shenzhen or Guangzhou I am sure you have a tough time looking for action this are big city if you don't know where to go not like CP a small Entertaiment town with so many hotel and KTV short distance from each other, many monger from HK and guangzhou and other country are coming here for fun 100-200 rmb increase is not a big deal for them more Chinese mid class have RMB to play and inflation is the fact of life.
Fast Eddie 48
Jon Guoren
06-29-13, 14:07
There are many sex forums besides ISG. ISG is just one of many others. I, myself is on 3 other English forums besides ISG.
I know there are about 3-4 Chinese forums. Most likely, there's a Japanese forum. There also word of mouth. If some people do what to go, just ask those horny mongers to go some place else for the weekend in CP or another city. Ie Zhuhai.
I was told the mommies at the CP BBS shops banned together to raise the price to $250 when it was once 200 for a long time. Before 200, it was only 150. We can try to do the same for a few places.I also remember that you can find some that are 150RMB. But you have to look or know where you are looking. Can anyone confirm this is still case? I do not like using the ones around Swan Lake, they are not polite and try to force and always trying to hard sell. Sometimes the girls are too sore or refuse even after you paid the mama. And beg for tip for no service. I prefer to find others more out of the way. Anyone? 150RMB? Or is it all 250RMB now?
Blacklisted
06-30-13, 03:35
To Mrclen.
I have travelled all over China and Asia cost on Mongering is going up everywhere not just CP, Chongqing is not near CP is 2 hr flight from Guangzhou and it is a big city many high tech company is based there, it is a very expensive city to play much more than CP an Shenzhen.
There are not many city in China is better than CP for KTV and bbs action still cheaper than most other city, you can try Shenzhen or Guangzhou I am sure you have a tough time looking for action this are big city if you don't know where to go not like CP a small Entertaiment town with so many hotel and KTV short distance from each other, many monger from HK and guangzhou and other country are coming here for fun 100-200 rmb increase is not a big deal for them more Chinese mid class have RMB to play and inflation is the fact of life.
Fast Eddie 48Fully agree with your assessment FE. Fact is, CP is no longer a value for money mongering destination, and I think it shows in the numbers of mongers visiting. Even the CP forum, scroll back a year or two and check the rampant postings going on compared to today. Chalk and cheese.
When I was in CP recently, the line ups were still huge, but punters were outnumbered at least 10 to 1. I think a lot of guys will start taking 1 instead of 2 girls and also cutting 1 or 2 nights off their trips. That's what I plan to do. And I am sure the hong kongnese, taiwanese and singaporeans will be thinking similar thoughts. Japanese and Koreans, perhaps won't mind as much since the price of pussy where they are from is probably still at least double.
In fact, my view is that better value would possibly be found in smaller T3 cities around the country. Obviously they are not set up for sex tourism in the way CP is, but I am willing to bet there are a large number of smaller towns with plenty of sweet young things ready for action (numbers calculate 10M hookers in China. These are good odds).
I'd like to put the question to Fast Eddie, who is one of the most experienced mongers on the Asian forums. Which cities do you find relatively good rates across the country?
Hell, even venturing out past the outer ring road in Shanghai can be like taking a time machine back 10 years to the Shanghai in days of old.
Any others have experiences in smaller towns?
Yeah, I remember the Village near WuZhong Lu. Those were good days. I'm just glad I could enjoy them as well as CP in it's heyday. It's pretty much over now, only skilled mongers with good language skills have a good chance to get the bargains. 150 is still around, but it a little dangerous. Those girls are pros and managed by thugs. I was recently confronted and given the Good Thug / Bad Thug treatment. They tried to get 20,000 out of me. I called their bluff, and they backed off. I think they have it down to a science now to extort money from tourists who are embarrassed or afraid to call the police. My advice is don't be afraid to call the Hotel security if you get in trouble. Never let them call the Mami, Tour Guide, Manager, Intermediary, etc. They will only be concerned with getting the problem over with and continue their business. Never forget that they are conducting illegal business as well, and the Police will not want to deal with it and look for a quick solution.
Peace,
LAMonkey
Fully agree with your assessment FE. Fact is, CP is no longer a value for money mongering destination, and I think it shows in the numbers of mongers visiting. Even the CP forum, scroll back a year or two and check the rampant postings going on compared to today. Chalk and cheese.
When I was in CP recently, the line ups were still huge, but punters were outnumbered at least 10 to 1. I think a lot of guys will start taking 1 instead of 2 girls and also cutting 1 or 2 nights off their trips. That's what I plan to do. And I am sure the hong kongnese, taiwanese and singaporeans will be thinking similar thoughts. Japanese and Koreans, perhaps won't mind as much since the price of pussy where they are from is probably still at least double.
Fast Eddie 48
07-01-13, 00:33
Fully agree with your assessment FE. Fact is, CP is no longer a value for money mongering destination, and I think it shows in the numbers of mongers visiting. Even the CP forum, scroll back a year or two and check the rampant postings going on compared to today. Chalk and cheese.
When I was in CP recently, the line ups were still huge, but punters were outnumbered at least 10 to 1. I think a lot of guys will start taking 1 instead of 2 girls and also cutting 1 or 2 nights off their trips. That's what I plan to do. And I am sure the hong kongnese, taiwanese and singaporeans will be thinking similar thoughts. Japanese and Koreans, perhaps won't mind as much since the price of pussy where they are from is probably still at least double..To Blacklisted,
I am a business traveller I don't just go to China for Mongering been going to China for over 15 yr on business from the US 3-4 time a yr, I have see price on everything go up every yr and mongering quality go down hill every yr also because of crack down, even the third world country like Cambodia, PI and Burma price has gone up live with it or retire from mongering.
If you have time travel to small city and found action but it is not that easy you need to talk to local to find action, it is too danger to do that if you don't know the area or know any friend there, your life is not worth saving a few RMB right.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
07-01-13, 00:45
Yeah, I remember the Village near WuZhong Lu. Those were good days. I'm just glad I could enjoy them as well as CP in it's heyday. It's pretty much over now, only skilled mongers with good language skills have a good chance to get the bargains. 150 is still around, but it a little dangerous. Those girls are pros and managed by thugs. I was recently confronted and given the Good Thug / Bad Thug treatment. They tried to get 20, 000 out of me. I called their bluff, and they backed off. I think they have it down to a science now to extort money from tourists who are embarrassed or afraid to call the police. My advice is don't be afraid to call the Hotel security if you get in trouble. Never let them call the Mami, Tour Guide, Manager, Intermediary, etc. They will only be concerned with getting the problem over with and continue their business. Never forget that they are conducting illegal business as well, and the Police will not want to deal with it and look for a quick solution.
Peace,
LAMonkeyLA,
I alway tell people to be careful not going to pimp they don't know not all monger use their brain, they get rob and get ass kick even missing body parts just to save a few RMB, it is much safer go to a KTV, sauna to find girl, I have contact with mamasan that I know for more than 5 yr they can bring girl to my hotel room.
Fast Eddie 48
I like Liar's dice, but I'm pretty good at it. My favorite is teaming with my girl and playing against another team. It's a great way to bond with your girl and Hi-Five, Jia You, etc. I encourage others to use this method to build a rapport and chemistry to be well-rewarded later in the evening.
LAM
While I, and I am sure others, appreciate the rules of Liars Dice, I still don't get it. What's the point? A small sip of a weak drink or similar doesn't do it for me. This seems even lamer than the spin-the bottle we used to play in junior and high school. This is supposed to be, at least somewhat, adult entertainment. Yes we can negotiate to bring the girl or girls back to our hotel, but that's a given. In my limited experience, there should be some sort of rules, set in place in the start of the evening, that get some clothes off, some groping, some kissing, heavier drinking, or other "real" penalties, etc, that make the game worthwhile. I've played the dice and in the places I've played, it was boring! Much more fun to sing, dance and fool around..
ManonsanBoy
07-01-13, 16:36
i have been mongering in southern china for 15 years. in particular, i am familiar with tangxia and surrounds, not so much in cp. bbs action has doubled or less (but hard to source now) : 200 is now the norm after being stuck at 150 for years. sauna has not really gone up much; total costs have risen from around 500 to maybe 600-700. rooms that used to be at 200-400 are now 20 to 100. there is fierce competition and the service is better. cim is now standard service in tangxia. i suspect the age of girls maybe 1-2 years older. overnight from ktv gone up from 800 to around 1200. i suspect some of what you guys are seeing is the appreciation of the rmb. there has been a dramatic rise in costs for "wraping" a girl. now, it is cheaper to keep a wife in hk!
Eddie,
That's good advice. FYI, many mamis in CP use a network for their girls which are run by thugs. The girls often don't even know the Mami which sent them. They are just dispatched by their thug keepers.
LAM
LA,
I alway tell people to be careful not going to pimp they don't know not all monger use their brain, they get rob and get ass kick even missing body parts just to save a few RMB, it is much safer go to a KTV, sauna to find girl, I have contact with mamasan that I know for more than 5 yr they can bring girl to my hotel room.
Fast Eddie 48
i have been mongering in southern china for 15 years. in particular, i am familiar with tangxia and surrounds, not so much in cp. bbs action has doubled or less (but hard to source now) : 200 is now the norm after being stuck at 150 for years. sauna has not really gone up much; total costs have risen from around 500 to maybe 600-700. rooms that used to be at 200-400 are now 20 to 100. there is fierce competition and the service is better. cim is now standard service in tangxia. i suspect the age of girls maybe 1-2 years older. overnight from ktv gone up from 800 to around 1200. i suspect some of what you guys are seeing is the appreciation of the rmb. there has been a dramatic rise in costs for "wraping" a girl. now, it is cheaper to keep a wife in hk!so what is now the going rate for "wraping" a ktv quality girl, the slim and attractive type. i heard it used to be 15000 to 20000 a month, so not possible anymore?
btw, any of you try switching to hcm city? from the talk over there, seems pretty cheap going down further south.
os
so what is now the going rate for "wraping" a ktv quality girl, the slim and attractive type. i heard it used to be 15000 to 20000 a month, so not possible anymore?
btw, any of you try switching to hcm city? from the talk over there, seems pretty cheap going down further south.
oswhat is wrapping and what is hcm city? my guess is making her your mistress, but hcm i don't know. mrclen
What is wrapping and what is HCM city? My guess is making her your mistress, but HCM I don't know. MrclenI thought ManonsanBoy was quite funny to use "wrapping" as that is what the Chinese character also means, yes it is to privatize a WG, more expensive if she came from a KTV and very popular.
Sorry about HCM city, I was just wondering why people have to come to China when Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh City in particular sounds like a better deal, but that is completely off the topic and should have gone to another forum.
OS
Fast Eddie 48
07-02-13, 21:54
I thought ManonsanBoy was quite funny to use "wrapping" as that is what the Chinese character also means, yes it is to privatize a WG, more expensive if she came from a KTV and very popular.
Sorry about HCM city, I was just wondering why people have to come to China when Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh City in particular sounds like a better deal, but that is completely off the topic and should have gone to another forum.
OSTo Old South,
I like Chinese girl much better than Viet girl never meet a Viet girl with good attuide and good service, only been to HMC once and find it it the worst mongering city in SE Asia, I never heard of the term Wrapping also is new to me too never understand why I need a mistress too many women in the world to sample why own when you can rent.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
07-02-13, 22:07
Eddie,
That's good advice. FYI, many mamis in CP use a network for their girls which are run by thugs. The girls often don't even know the Mami which sent them. They are just dispatched by their thug keepers.
LAMTo LA,
All the mamasan I use know the girl most of them have day time job, my contact come to my hotel room and call the girl until I pick the one I like she know the service and ask me the type I want most are 200 for ST and 600 for over night.
Fast Eddie 48
Eddie,
Cool, if your willing to share, let me know and I'll pm you. I'm in SZ, live in Futian.
LAM
To LA,
All the mamasan I use know the girl most of them have day time job, my contact come to my hotel room and call the girl until I pick the one I like she know the service and ask me the type I want most are 200 for ST and 600 for over night.
Fast Eddie 48
Jon Guoren
07-05-13, 10:33
I have a question about the small change. 'Look after the yijiao and the mao and the yuan will look after themselves"
As you know in CP cabbies prefer to never use the meter 99% of the time. Agreed?
I remember on my first visit, on arrival by coach from Shenzhen, I could have walked for 5-10 minutes to the Swan Lake (Tian Er Hu) area, but a cab took me on a 30-40 RMB ride there. I had never been there and only discovered it later. I thought I was being clever by asking him to use the meter, but it gave him excuse for this massive trip around.
Now to get from say Swan Lake area to Hui Mei it should cost no more than 6-7RMB by meter, agreed?
But 100% of the time, you will be asked for 10RMB, right?
It is possible to get the trips for 6RMB, but up to 50% of the time, the taxi will just drive off in my experience.
How do others treat the taxi services? I know it is small money indeed, but those 4 RMB over 100 taxi journeys are a 100min massage in Swan Lake with a 400.
Do you always pay the 10RMB standard non-metered fare, or tell them it should be 6RMB.
Jon
Fast Eddie 48
07-06-13, 22:19
I have a question about the small change. 'Look after the yijiao and the mao and the yuan will look after themselves"
As you know in CP cabbies prefer to never use the meter 99% of the time. Agreed?
I remember on my first visit, on arrival by coach from Shenzhen, I could have walked for 5-10 minutes to the Swan Lake (Tian Er Hu) area, but a cab took me on a 30-40 RMB ride there. I had never been there and only discovered it later. I thought I was being clever by asking him to use the meter, but it gave him excuse for this massive trip around...To Jon,
It all depends if you look like a newbie or is raining they ask for 15 rmb, most taxi don't use meter in CP anyway most ask for 10 rmb for short trip and most will paid that, if you want to nickel and dime for just a few RMB you can walk or take the bus.
Fast Eddie 48
Worldguy72
07-08-13, 06:15
I found this article saying this guy predicts that China will soon go into financial crisis within three years and the standard of living will go back thirty years! If this guy is right we could see the good old days back in no time! He is the article if you can read Chinese if not I included the google translation too.
http://forex.hexun.com/2013-07-04/155773684.html
http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://forex.hexun.com/2013-07-04/155773684.html
WG
My first time in CP and staying at the Walter Hotel. My preference is to stay slightly lower scale and then get a suite. Seems to work for me and I think it is the more relaxed way to go. Anyway went to a KTV with BSD, (forget which one) , picked two girls, one spoke a little English, (claimed to be a college girl) and one didn't. The one that didn't said she hadn't worked for two months, so that's the one I took for LT in the hopes that she might need a good stiffy after a two month drought. In that part I was not wrong-DFK, soaking wet, and horny as hell. Bed to floor to one leg up on the dresser (standing Doggie) , and more I really can't remember, including CG, RCG, and others. However, that's the normal story, not when it got funny!
Come morning and going to pay her. Now as I should have done, put all my goodies, including $$$ in the room safe. Showered, next round, and went to open the safe. It would not open and couldn't pay as the money is in the safe. After messing around with it for a time, called the desk. Up comes the security guard and bellboy. They try to open the locked safe with their master key. No success. Called a maintenance man, more keys, more tools! Hotel manager, desk staff, maintenance men (2) and a couple others, now out in the hallway in front of my room working on the safe, was at least 6 people in the hallway! I am in a bathrobe and she has now managed to get dressed, this is about 9 am. I can't leave them to go get dressed as a good amount of money, passport, camera, phone, and other goodies are in the safe. Finally the "get a bigger hammer" approach is necessary. Bang, bang, bang, bang, with other people coming out of their rooms to see the problem. They all know, why I need the money, as it was no secret that the $$$ are to pay the girl, and they are trying to help her get paid. Finally, after destroying the safe they got it open and girl gets paid, I get a new safe, and everyone goes back to work!
Strange morning in CP! This has to be something unique. Moral of the story! Put your goodies in the room safe, BUT be sure you can get it open! Mrclen
SE Asia Joe
07-13-13, 16:07
Last night. Friday Lulu 12.233 people got arrested in a drug raid at a Chang Ping KTV.
Such drug busts had in years past marked the start of the Strike Hard campaign in Chang Ping and Dongguan.
SEAJ.
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