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Global Times article: 3 month crackdown ordered by higher authorities. Possibly related to Beijing's drive on rooting out corruption.
I believe that the Global Times is a state owned newspaper that toes the party line, so the contents need to be taken seriously with regard to crackdowns etc.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/841735.shtml#.UvnP1-9WHb0
Thanks LAMonkey, for convincing me to go to CP in 2012/2013. I now have some irreplaceable memories and photos that appear unlikely to be repeated. I guess this crackdown will affect all areas of Dongguan, not just CP.
BTW LA, why did you shift from Guomao to Futian? Did you need fresher, greener pastures? I am thinking of shifting to Guomao!
Cheers
Global Times article: 3 month crackdown ordered by higher authorities. Possibly related to Beijing's drive on rooting out corruption.Somebody can confirm that this crackdown will take 3 months? We have plans to arrive to CP in March 21 and we already book Clipper Hotel via BSD but if this true we can still shift our presence to.
Guanghzou. I know it's not be the same but I will have almost 20 guys with me and some of them are newbies so I don't want for them memories from crackdown.
Jacher
Fast Eddie 48
02-11-14, 16:32
Do you non Chinese speakers get robbed in these KTV's by getting extra charges added on. I know people that spend $30 USD worth of drinks and get a bill for $700 USD. Not being able to speak the language stuck in one of those rooms with 30 guys that work there trying to get out of there sounds scary to me. I would like to hear some experiences from non Chinese speakers.To TOM.
This thing only happen to Naive newbie like you that use any common sense and don't RTFF you should stay home and don't go to China but you may get scam in the US too.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
02-11-14, 16:38
Somebody can confirm that this crackdown will take 3 months? We have plans to arrive to CP in March 21 and we already book Clipper Hotel via BSD but if this true we can still shift our presence to.
Guanghzou. I know it's not be the same but I will have almost 20 guys with me and some of them are newbies so I don't want for them memories from crackdown.
JacherTo Jacher.
All I can say is do have a back up plan no one know what is going to happen to CP is already been bad the last 4 yr and getting worst, you spend my last 10 days in Bangkok, Bali and Jarkata away from China in CNY having alot of fun, China is become a no fun country for me.
Fast Eddie 48
Mobilizing 6, 500 policemen to arrest 64 suspects? I can see China already lost the war against the poor little girls who must make their living.
The pic shows girls in street clothes, which is not normal. They normally wear sexy dresses while working in Saunas or KTVs. Why only 64 got arrested? Were they arrested because they were caught while naked having sex and were allowed to put on street clothes for booking?
Some wear jackets with furry hoods, typical of girls from rural areas in the interior. The girls fresh off the train in the pink apartments in ShenZhen war these funny jackets.
The pics show girls being frisked by police and john and girl, tied together by their wrists, taken out of the Guoan Business hotel.
KTVs, saunas, BBS are all over China. Why CCTV makes a big deal about Dongguan? They should leave things alone so we can have some funs.
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/02/10/china-state-television-slammed-over-sex-worker-expose/
"Over the weekend, China Central Television ran a series of investigative stories (in Chinese) exposing widespread prostitution in Dongguan, a manufacturing hub just across the border from Hong Kong in southern China's Guangdong province. Local authorities responded Sunday night by sending more than 6, 500 police into the streets.
Total damage, according to state media: 67 detained on suspicion of prostitution and at least a dozen saunas, karaoke parlors and other houses of ill repute closed.
Rather than earn a pat on the back from an outraged public, CCTV has been slammed for the reports, with many Internet users criticizing the broadcaster for exploiting Dongguan's working women in a cheap bid for eyeballs."Just a paranoid observation! With the crackdown in full swing, what better place to get the information as to what and where to hit next. It seems that the forum is a great guide for the mongers-no big deal during normal operation-but these days might it not be better to use the PM function and stop giving directions and information to the people who are trying to shut us out?
Just a POV from me, paranoid yes, but maybe, just maybe a bit of truth? Mrclen
Just a paranoid observation! With the crackdown in full swing, what better place to get the information as to what and where to hit next. It seems that the forum is a great guide for the mongers-no big deal during normal operation-but these days might it not be better to use the PM function and stop giving directions and information to the people who are trying to shut us out?
Just a POV from me, paranoid yes, but maybe, just maybe a bit of truth? MrclenIf the AID's epidimic was used as part of the reason for this crackdown, here is a report worth reading!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/22/content_17252275.htm Mrclen
If the AID's epidimic was used as part of the reason for this crackdown, here is a report worth reading!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/22/content_17252275.htm
MrclenMrClen thanks for clarification.
I hope this time crackdown will not last 3 months.
To Fast Edie 48. Thanks, for those reason I ask on forum to create some backup plan. But must be honest it will be last thing to do (changing the venue of our party ).
I will have almost 20 guys with me and some of them are newbies so I don't want for them memories from crackdown.
JacherWoow, Polish team is growing.
Take care guys and play safe.
AF
Pure speculation on my part, but I think it's possibly China's version of manifest destiny. I mean, this all started with the CCTV reporting which I'd think must have official backing and purpose.
Its also probably high time for China to at least try to do something. Dongguan, the rampant sex industry nationwide and worse, all these Prc hookers all over the globe. How can China even hope to be considered a strong nation in the world's eyes. When their womenfolk is selling their bodies to anyone and everyone around the world.
This may easily become a nationwide effort to stop the rot that the sex industry has become.
I've read estimates that Dongguan's sex industry alone is worth Rmb 50 billion. And I cannot see where any campaigns could even start unless it has official backing and purpose. And this time around, by using CCTV. And knowing full well that this will mean international coverage. They seem intent on tackling this blot on the whole nation's personae once and for all.
SEAJSEAJ, I agree 100% with your speculation. This is a planned campaign by the central government, commencing with Guangdong province (holy shit, that includes SZ!). I speculate that the CCTV program was also ordered by the government.
The State-owned newspapers have multiple articles on the Dongguan sex industry. Some additional interesting points include:
• One main cause of the DG sex industry is HK and Taiwan visitors.
• Repeated mention of the 'protection umbrellas'
• That the sex industry has become a 'public security problem'
• Repeated mention of gambling and mention of Dongguan casinos (WTF!)
We should be considering the wider ramifications of the Dongguan raids.
If the AID's epidimic was used as part of the reason for this crackdown, here is a report worth reading!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/22/content_17252275.htm
Mrclen'By the end of 2013, 2.032 persons had been diagnosed as having AIDS or HIV in the Pearl River delta city. Of those. 424 are women, the statement said. '
IMHO, that is a small number, considering the nature of the sex industry in Dongguan which has a total population of around 9 million.
That is a very low per capita figure of around 0. 225 per 1, 000. By comparison, Hong Kong is 0. 382, Indonesia is 0. 512, UK is 0. 857.
But of course, there are lies, damn lies and statistics!
And I wonder how many of those 424 women lived in 'catacomb'-like places versus high-end KTVs and saunas?
Cheers
SCMP reports the following under the headline of: 'Corrupt' Guangdong police were secretly tipped off about latest high-profile raids, sources claim.
'But the South China Morning Post understands some local officers got wind of the crackdown ahead of the Lunar New Year and secretly raised the alarm.
'Analysts also believe that the largest police crackdown seen in years on Dongguan's sex business could have been a direct order from Beijing.
'While many Dongguan hotels remain in business, almost all saunas, massage parlours and karaoke bars have been shut since Sunday. '
LukeSkywalker
02-12-14, 01:03
Practitioners of the world's oldest profession bore bastard Children, who in turn invented the second oldest profession, politics, who created and misused the third oldest profession, hired soldiers.
No country on earth has been able to rid themselves of these 3 oldest professions.
Where there are demands, there will be supplies. Prostitution in China will adapt under persecution and become more discreet, most likely with fewer choices and higher prices.
If you need your fixes during this raid period, guys like Big Shriveling Dick and CSC could send almost unlimited supply of sweet, young, pretty girls to your room. That is if B Shriveling Dick and CSC have not been arrested, stripped of clothes and underwear, kept in barrels with big holes to entertain horny inmates at ChangPing's men prison. Hehe.
Just a paranoid observation! With the crackdown in full swing, what better place to get the information as to what and where to hit next. It seems that the forum is a great guide for the mongers-no big deal during normal operation-but these days might it not be better to use the PM function and stop giving directions and information to the people who are trying to shut us out?
Just a POV from me, paranoid yes, but maybe, just maybe a bit of truth? Mrclen
SE Asia Joe
02-12-14, 03:59
All through my years of doing business, working, socializing, making friends and of course mongering in China, the place has never ceases to amaze me. And as fond as I am of conspiracy theories, the latest developments there steer me to thinking that all of this is not just a series of coincidences.
I'm easily going to be wrong and I do hope to happily be so but.
- CCTV? Really? Where coverage of any topics are usually directed / ordered from high above and usually to serve a specific purpose. A couple or so months ago, coverage by the provincial level Guangdong television. As a first salvo, as an early warning, as a means to slowly shape popular public opinion in line with their plan of action. And now. National CCTV. They're ready to take on decisive action, knowing that unless they now do so, they face the prospects of international ridicule.
- How come Chang Ping hasn't even been mentioned? I think it's because Chang Ping has not much other than.
The sex industry and if it gets struck too hard too early, the whole place will collapse and there is just going to be too much displacements. And possibly widespread social unrest. They have instead started with the Crown Prince who's owner is indeed a national level big wig and who's been quite impervious to previous yandas; thus sending out the message that even the best connected, the most influential etc will not be spared.
Timing. Why now, when the picking's going to be slim? Precisely why. As they don't want to just make wholesale arrests which makes headlines but do little to actually solve the problem. That of trying to bring China back to respectability. In fact, ultra hard strikes in the past had actually backfired; think about what happened with those caught in Shenzhen a few years back, being publicly paraded. IMHO, the message is quite clear to those involved in the industry: "don't come back, it ain't going to be pretty if you do, stay home and build up your part of China or go take up work in so many other industries that are starving for labor." Result. These sex entertainment centered places slowly. But more importantly, orderly die off; least amount of displacements and little mass social unrest. And the whole of China moving back to the correct path.
As I said, I'm easily and probably going to be wrong and I certainly hope to be wrong, but nothing will surprise me in China.
Practitioners of the world's oldest profession bore bastard Children, who in turn invented the second oldest profession, politics, who created and misused the third oldest profession, hired soldiers.
No country on earth has been able to rid themselves of these 3 oldest professions.
Where there are demands, there will be supplies. Prostitution in China will adapt under persecution and become more discreet, most likely with fewer choices and higher prices.
If you need your fixes during this raid period, guys like Big Shriveling Dick and CSC could send almost unlimited supply of sweet, young, pretty girls to your room. That is if B Shriveling Dick and CSC have not been arrested, stripped of clothes and underwear, kept in barrels with big holes to entertain horny inmates at ChangPing's men prison. Hehe.Another observation: When I go to China for business, which is 4 to 5 times per year and stay for 10 to 15 days per visit, I regularly use the services of several WG's and frequent KTV's almost exclusively. That said, if I was not able to pursue this relatively harmless source of pleasure for me it would be a business trip only, with limited "play" time. I might be able to reduce the length of my trips by a few days and definitely would leave a lot less money behind. I normally spend about $3000. 00 or a bit more, out of my personal slush fund "playing". This would probably reduce to almost zero out of the "slush fund". How many business men and mongers do the same thing. I think the $$$ impact would be tremendous and far more than can be easily calculated and is sure to have a huge impact in many areas!
I believe crime would increase, unsupervised prostitution would increase (many of the WG's have no other way to make a living and have no skills other than WG skills) , STD's would become more likely for obvious reasons, and as stated above the economy will suffer. Again, this is just my POV. Mrclen
Ice Dragon
02-12-14, 06:42
Mobilizing 6, 500 policemen to arrest 64 suspects? I can see China already lost the war against the poor little girls who must make their living.
The pic shows girls in street clothes, which is not normal. They normally wear sexy dresses while working in Saunas or KTVs. Why only 64 got arrested? Were they arrested because they were caught while naked having sex and were allowed to put on street clothes for booking?
Some wear jackets with furry hoods, typical of girls from rural areas in the interior. The girls fresh off the train in the pink apartments in ShenZhen war these funny jackets.
The pics show girls being frisked by police and john and girl, tied together by their wrists, taken out of the Guoan Business hotel.
KTVs, saunas, BBS are all over China. Why CCTV makes a big deal about Dongguan? They should leave things alone so we can have some funs..The timing seems weird, commit 6500 police to raids in the CNY holiday period, total waste of resources, this can hardly be taken seriously.
I would imagined the various CP shops are still open maybe with more girls. Saunas maybe more clandestine. I remember last year when Swan Lake Sauna was closed, most of the staff
Just transferred over to their sister hotel, Peninsula. I can't believe its really that bad now based on the extremely negative reports. But, I'll find out for myself later in the year I guess.
There has been some intelligent speculation here regarding the situation in Dongguan. I will add a further 3 points to add to the speculation.
The reporting by SCMP and the state-owned newspapers give different accounts of the situation. For example, SCMP reports that all hotels have shut their KTV and sauna operations. Again, SCMP reports over 2, 000 premises were raided and 162 arrested. SCMP has also provided a number of reports from academics and operators (in Dongguan). Which do we believe and to what extent?
From Global Times: "After an overnight police raid in Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong Province on Monday, police arrested 98 suspects, raided 807 massage and bath houses. 1,228 hotels. 636 hair salons and 465 KTV parlors, China News Service reported". Nothing has been reported on the Guangzhou thread!
GT also reported "There are between 500,000 to 800,000 sex workers in Dongguan, accounting for 10 percent of all migrant workers in the city". Could this possibly be accurate? They are possible including all workers whose employment is in some way related to the sex industry.
Cheers (?)
Changping, Changan and Danshui are on super red alert for these 2 days.
I repeat it's super red alert and not just red alert!
Those who want to perform Kamikaze can cheong the Saunas this week!
Good luck to all bros.
But on a serious note every year the crackdowns are getting more and more serious.
This could be the beginning of the end.
LukeSkywalker
02-12-14, 20:12
6, 500 policemen all over Dong Guan are a lot of people in 1 night. The authority must have mobilized every man and woman working for them.
They only arrested 67 girls and johns. The pics showed a few girls and johns in various degrees of nakedness putting on clothes. Looks like they only arrest people naked, having sex in the room, with evidence like used condoms. The bros had reported raiding police was always searching trash cans for used condoms.
If the big raid managed to arrest only 67 people having sex, it would take them 300, 000 working girls in Dong Guan divide by 67, which requires about 5, 000 raids, to get rid of all girls. But the authority also arrested the wealthy and powerful owners of the venues where the vices are organized, and government officials who protect the vices for a split of the proceeds. The police only needed those 67 girls and johns as evidence to make their cases in court against the big shots who finance, manage and protect the rackets.
I wonder if this massive raid will result in a few execution for publicity, as happened in Zhuhai a few years ago.
Without the sweet, sexy young girls, gambling, drugs and other decadence, those big hotels, saunas and KTVs in Dong Guan will be empty. A lot of girls and young mothers will have to struggle to survive, and a lot of guys will be unhappy.
Perhaps China could adopt HK's tolerance of independent prostitution and penalize only pimping and pandering.
The timing seems weird, commit 6500 police to raids in the CNY holiday period, total waste of resources, this can hardly be taken seriously.
LukeSkywalker
02-12-14, 20:37
Just my observation, SEX is a very lucrative business anywhere in the world, especially in China, where wages are low and the sex industry can draw on millions of uneducated, unemployed pretty young girls who would work for little money.
It is well-known that trafficking humans is many times more profitable than trafficking drugs. Humans can generate steady revenues for the sex industry for many years, compared to drugs which are consumed and must be resupplied.
As reported by Chinese press, most of the revenue for commercial sex in Dong Guan comes from local businessmen and their clients from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore. Malaysia. A smaller percentage comes from Northern America and Western Europe.
Combination of vices like sex, drugs, gambling, hotel, food, entertainment and supporting activities probably brings in US$40 to 50 billion revenue every year to ChangPing. Take away that $50 billion income and a lot of people will go hungry. A lot of the big hotels and saunas, built specifically for vices, will go into default. Who would ever want to go to ChangPing if there are no girls, no sex, no saunas, no KTVs?
There will still be prostitution, but it will most likely be much more discreet and fragmented like the nimble BBS. Big shots will not likely risk their capitals building big hotels and saunas that can be seized by the government. Selection for girls and quality for services will be poorer; prices will increase. Being hidden deep underground, there will likely be harsher exploitation and abuses of the girls and more scams, kidnapping, extortion and other violent crimes against mongers.
Another observation: When I go to China for business, which is 4 to 5 times per year and stay for 10 to 15 days per visit, I regularly use the services of several WG's and frequent KTV's almost exclusively. That said, if I was not able to pursue this relatively harmless source of pleasure for me it would be a business trip only, with limited "play" time. I might be able to reduce the length of my trips by a few days and definitely would leave a lot less money behind. I normally spend about $3000. 00 or a bit more, out of my personal slush fund "playing". This would probably reduce to almost zero out of the "slush fund". How many business men and mongers do the same thing. I think the $$$ impact would be tremendous and far more than can be easily calculated and is sure to have a huge impact in many areas!
I believe crime would increase, unsupervised prostitution would increase (many of the WG's have no other way to make a living and have no skills other than WG skills) , STD's would become more likely for obvious reasons, and as stated above the economy will suffer. Again, this is just my POV. Mrclen
LukeSkywalker
02-12-14, 21:00
For now with the raids and government focus on vices in DongGuan, it may be safer for the bros to go to Manila for fun.
There are many bars and fishbowls in Makati and Ermita areas within 5 miles of the US Embassy (US State Dept knows all the sweet spots. Hehe).
Pinays are nice, sweet, gentle, mostly with darker complexion and Polynesian facial features, but also a small percentage with Spanish genes and lighter complexion. They speak English like Americans and can be very sweet and sexy company.
The best part is, there has been no persecution of prostitution in Manila that I know of. But I read there have been a few raids of bars and clubs in Angeles City for trafficking young girls.
I kept hearing of a lot of child prostitution in Angeles City at obscenely young ages. Damn! I only want the prettiest, sweetest, sexiest, fully-grown young girls, both physically, culturally and maturity.
SE Asia Joe
02-13-14, 03:53
I would suggest that you guys take this latest yanda more seriously.
Last night, a friend of mine staying at the Walter had the gongan actually knocking on his door and checking out his room. This is something that had not been practiced for at least a decade. And that they're actually reviving this practice is further proof to me that, this time around, they really want to put a lid on this trade which has gone out of control and has become an international embarrassment to China.
So far they have made all the correct and precise moves to get a handle on the situation. Even allowing web sites as this to still be fully operational; something which was not allowed during previous yandas. But like I said, this time it's different and I believe that they are doing so to let everybody know that they're not just messing around.
Significant to note that this friend of mine, visited upon by the gongan is a very well known, very frequent visitor to Chang Ping and is fond of reliving his wild and outlandish Chang Ping antics on another well known web site; in other words, a well known monger who I guess has a large target painted on his back which "they" are counting on to spread the word. LOL. Yup, like I said, I do love conspiracy theories!
In any case friends, please do be careful. IMHO, this time around I do believe that they really mean it. Jeez. I do hope that I will be proven wrong.
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
02-13-14, 06:24
Pinays are nice, sweet, gentle, mostly with darker complexion and Polynesian facial features, but also a small percentage with Spanish genes and lighter complexion. They speak English like Americans and can be very sweet and sexy company.You don't need to advertise Filipino girls on the China thread. I for one, find the majority of southeast asian island girls disgusting. The only ones I want to bang would be the models. And even than, I can easily find comparable in China (in terms of facial beauty, white skin, slender figure, and even a spanish like body (see hunan, guizhou & sichuan girls).
Please note: attached girl used to work at a AMP in Houjie and just relocated to shanghai due to the current situation. Crazy body on her.
LukeSkywalker
02-13-14, 07:09
There is no need to put down Pinays so harshly. Pinays do have their own unique sexy charms.
I had my share of crude, ugly girls in China, with bad breath, stinky pussies. I have also seen many very beautiful girls in the Phil. You just have to know where to shop. Pinays can be very sweet speaking English. Also HIV / AIDS rate is very low in the Phil. Most girls are open to bareback sex.
The pic of this alleged Houjie girl looks like a typical heavily retouched pic printed on escort cards. It's not your pic. Looks like she got a cheap botched-up boob job. You can see easily her right-hand boob is bigger than the left one.
I hate to see obvious fakes like a bad boob job. You would feel like you are screwing a dead and rotting body. Hehe.
You don't need to advertise Filipino girls on the China thread. I for one, find the majority of southeast asian island girls disgusting. The only ones I want to bang would be the models. And even than, I can easily find comparable in China (in terms of facial beauty, white skin, slender figure, and even a spanish like body (see hunan, guizhou & sichuan girls).
Please note: attached girl used to work at a AMP in Houjie and just relocated to shanghai due to the current situation. Crazy body on her.
A few month ago they arrested the leaders of SINOPEC for corruption. They were very powerful at the top of the state.
The crackdown on prostitution in Dongguan seems to have mainly targeted the owners of the Crown Prince hotel, and the Sheraton. And rumor is that they were involved in the SINOPEC corruption and did money laundering for them.
So this is probably just political. Surgical. That's would explain the limited numbers of arrest and the choice of CNY period.
StinkyFeet
02-13-14, 10:52
The pic of this alleged Houjie girl looks like a typical heavily retouched pic printed on escort cards. It's not your pic. Looks like she got a cheap botched-up boob job. You can see easily her right-hand boob is bigger than the left one.
I hate to see obvious fakes like a bad boob job. You would feel like you are screwing a dead and rotting body. Hehe.Uhmmm. I've been with this girl several times (top floor, AMP nearby starbucks) her I'd was 881. Breasts are natural C's and natural sag. Her 5'3 body is slightly stockier versus the prototypical slithe Chinese beauty. Her photo is enhanced but only the lighting. Everything is legit in that photo. She is not the best looking girl (there are plenty more) but I happen to have her MOMO photo at the time of writing. Here are some normal photos of the girl without the awesome cleavage showing
Dongguan, Guangzhou and Huizhou all raided (but I don't believe the state-owned media statistics)!
Many premises are sealed.
Where next?
Cheers
Woow, Polish team is growing.
Take care guys and play safe.
AFAF yes we grow faster and faster.
And of course we plan as usually play safe and have a lot of fun. Maybe you join our crew when we visit CP this March?
You are more than welcome.
Jacher
AF yes we grow faster and faster.
And of course we plan as usually play safe and have a lot of fun. Maybe you join our crew when we visit CP this March?
You are more than welcome.
JacherThanks a lot man!
I'd like to join you guys, a lot but as usually we wear off. My trip is schedulled for the last week of April till the second week of May.
Take care.
OldAsiaHand
02-16-14, 03:40
Somebody can confirm that this crackdown will take 3 months? We have plans to arrive to CP in March 21 and we already book Clipper Hotel via BSD but if this true we can still shift our presence to.
Guanghzou. I know it's not be the same but I will have almost 20 guys with me and some of them are newbies so I don't want for them memories from crackdown.
JacherJacher,
Nobody can confirm how long the crackdown will last. I have heard up to 6 months. IMHO, Guangzhou is not a great alternative for mongering.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
02-16-14, 03:47
Just a paranoid observation! With the crackdown in full swing, what better place to get the information as to what and where to hit next. It seems that the forum is a great guide for the mongers-no big deal during normal operation-but these days might it not be better to use the PM function and stop giving directions and information to the people who are trying to shut us out?
Just a POV from me, paranoid yes, but maybe, just maybe a bit of truth? MrclenMrClen,
IMHO, LE in China know exactly where everything is happening all the time.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
02-16-14, 04:26
Going on my 20th year living in China, I have seen many, many crackdowns. Every time, mongers are worried that it is doomsday this time. The bottom line is the economics. The size of the sex industry itself is small in comparison to all the support services needed for it. It employs way too many people to shut it down completely. The manufacturing sector cannot accommodate this entire labor force, nor do they want to do that work.
It always comes back albeit it never seems to recover to its previous glory and keeps getting more and more expensive.
IMHO, the timing of these recent crackdowns is very strategic. Most of the girls are in their hometowns and will not return until the coast is clear.
It will come back again. It is just a question of how long the crackdown lasts this time. That said, it will never be what it used to be in the day.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
02-16-14, 05:57
Going on my 20th year living in China, I have seen many, many crackdowns. Every time, mongers are worried that it is doomsday this time. The bottom line is the economics. The size of the sex industry itself is small in comparison to all the support services needed for it. It employs way too many people to shut it down completely. The manufacturing sector cannot accommodate this entire labor force, nor do they want to do that work.
It always comes back albeit it never seems to recover to its previous glory and keeps getting more and more expensive.
IMHO, the timing of these recent crackdowns is very strategic. Most of the girls are in their hometowns and will not return until the coast is clear.
It will come back again. It is just a question of how long the crackdown lasts this time. That said, it will never be what it used to be in the day.
Just my POV.
OAHYup, ditto your opinion OAH.
Just think of it. Chang Ping went from being a sex capital where everything and anything goes to being probably the most strait laced and careful place. All within a one week period.
And that all of this looks to be so well coordinated from the north, had been so carefully timed to really do damage to the industry (just after cny before the girls come back / will for sure discourage them from doing so) and so surgical (first strike against the most powerful players in and outside of the government) convinces me that this is the real thing and will continue until the real powers-that-be actually gets a proper handle on the whole thing.
And yeah, there's rely no way to completely eliminate human nature, so yes it's going to come back; but as you point out, IMHO it's going to do so in a much reduced fashion and will for sure be priced much higher.
SEAJ
A few month ago they arrested the leaders of SINOPEC for corruption. They were very powerful at the top of the state.A significant number of other senior leaders have also been "investigated" and detained.
The crackdown on prostitution in Dongguan seems to have mainly targeted the owners of the Crown Prince hotel, and the Sheraton. And rumor is that they were involved in the SINOPEC corruption and did money laundering for them.Unconfirmed rumour! The chairman of the Crown Prince hotel is Liang Yaohui, a deputy to the nation's top legislative body (according to China Radio International).
Another rumour is that a number of the hotels owned by HK and Macau triad, etc were not tipped off before the raids, resulting in a number of ex-HK police and other HK staff being arrested.
So this is probably just political. Surgical. That's would explain the limited numbers of arrest and the choice of CNY period.Dangerous to draw conclusions based on a rumour.
Other probable explanations are:
(1) Hotels were forewarned and shut down operations on Sunday, and when the police arrived they told police that they were shut due to maintenance / renovations.
(2) The number of venues raided was actually a lot smaller than reported. Taxi drivers claimed that there was no massive raid on Sunday.
Just my opinion, but I think though it is reasonable to conclude that
(1) these raids were ordered by Beijing,
(2) the raids are related to corruption crackdown and also international standing of China (did you know that there is an ISO standard Dongguan-style? Haha)
(3) Dongguan, as we loved it, will return slowly, but never to the heights of its former Glory Days (as with Zhuhai and other locations).
Hard to believe, I read on globaltimes, state owned paper, that 70% of the locals were in favor of the crackdown. Where did they get their # Majority of the business are related to this trade 1 way or another.
Going on my 20th year living in China, I have seen many, many crackdowns. Every time, mongers are worried that it is doomsday this time. The bottom line is the economics. The size of the sex industry itself is small in comparison to all the support services needed for it. It employs way too many people to shut it down completely. The manufacturing sector cannot accommodate this entire labor force, nor do they want to do that work.
It always comes back albeit it never seems to recover to its previous glory and keeps getting more and more expensive.
IMHO, the timing of these recent crackdowns is very strategic. Most of the girls are in their hometowns and will not return until the coast is clear.
It will come back again. It is just a question of how long the crackdown lasts this time. That said, it will never be what it used to be in the day.
Just my POV.
OAH
Jacher,
Nobody can confirm how long the crackdown will last. I have heard up to 6 months. IMHO, Guangzhou is not a great alternative for mongering.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH thank for your 2 fen's.
Guangzhou is our alternative only because we coming to China in bussiness and pleasure, and part of our bussiness trip is visiting Interzoom Fairs in Guangzhou and that is reason why we put our alternative location in Guangzhou. But to be honest I don't want to do this. I'm in touch with BSD with hot info from CP and for this moment it seams to be quite calm there. Is this calm before storm I don't know but from my point of view if this police raids was serious they should be more arrested people. In one working KTV you can find more. So I hope I have right about that and this was only shownoff. Because in whole this police operation they don't touch CP and we know that city is heart of DG in meaning of sex industrie.
Jacher
Fast Eddie 48
02-16-14, 14:44
Hard to believe, I read on globaltimes, state owned paper, that 70% of the locals were in favor of the crackdown. Where did they get their # Majority of the business are related to this trade 1 way or another.To Staid lo.
The crack down also againist Drugs and Illegal food products local do support this but not the buisness owner that own resturant and hotel they lose alot of business if Hong konger stop coming to CP on the weekend, I also heard that the Goverment are offering reward to anyone report any crime to the goverment, this crackdown also for local corpupt offical and police that is on the take.
Fast Eddie 48
It is unfortunate that drugs and gang intertwined with this wholesome mating ritual between multiple consenting adults.
I remember a year ago 1 of the k girls told me that she couldn't do lt because she needed to meet his client for after party at peninsula (?) , she said k party started after midnight usually involved drug use; (
I was heartbroken. She had a young and innocent facade.
Damn I hope the crackdown blow over pretty soon, really miss the model at wong Kwok.
Staid.
To Staid lo.
The crack down also againist Drugs and Illegal food products local do support this but not the buisness owner that own resturant and hotel they lose alot of business if Hong konger stop coming to CP on the weekend, I also heard that the Goverment are offering reward to anyone report any crime to the goverment, this crackdown also for local corpupt offical and police that is on the take.
Fast Eddie 48
Ace Gallant
02-17-14, 06:47
Just sit it out guys, as OAH said, the waves will blow over. It will come back someday. Or maybe somewhere nearby.
For once I agree with SEAJoe, take the crackdown seriously. They want to show to the citizens that they are doing their work.
The Guangdong and Dongguan police chief had been fired already. So the central government is 'doing' their job.
But: If they shut it down completely. Ask these questions:
1) Where will all these billions of RMB hotel, railway, subway investment go?
2) Where will all these million of labor go?
3) Which direction will the DG economy go?
You think the government will let them go down the drain? You think the investors will let them go to waste?
Enjoy!
AG
ManonsanBoy
02-17-14, 18:34
It will come back again. It is just a question of how long the crackdown lasts this time. That said, it will never be what it used to be in the day.
Just my POV.
OAHI have mongered in China for 15 years. This crackdown has been publicized way more than the others. It also seem to have more casualties amongst the top (ish) officials. I think Thailand and Philippines will see increase in business. .
Seems to be the banks will be in trouble if they are funding all the hotels.
HK will definitely see increase in this activity. I crossed the border last night into HK and spotted at least 10 who look like working girls crossing.
But the economy will recover. There is a looming labor shortage in China anyway.
Fast Eddie 48
02-17-14, 19:38
I have mongered in China for 15 years. This crackdown has been publicized way more than the others. It also seem to have more casualties amongst the top (ish) officials. I think Thailand and Philippines will see increase in business. .
Seems to be the banks will be in trouble if they are funding all the hotels.
HK will definitely see increase in this activity. I crossed the border last night into HK and spotted at least 10 who look like working girls crossing.
But the economy will recover. There is a looming labor shortage in China anyway.
To Manonsanboy.
Did you know There is a crack down in Hong kong start yesterday I just got back from Jarkata have alot of fun there the USD is strong there should of stay there, I stay one night at CP and I am in Shanghai right now, they are talking about a crack down here soon it will be all over China this is more than a shake down,CP rely too much on the sex industry will be hurt the most other cities like Shenzhen or Zhu Hai will still grow without the sex industry.
Fast Eddie 48
Ace Gallant
02-18-14, 04:30
To Manonsanboy.
Did you know There is a crack down in Hong kong start yesterday I just got back from Jarkata have alot of fun there the USD is strong there should of stay there, I stay one night at CP and I am in Shanghai right now, they are talking about a crack down here soon it will be all over China this is more than a shake down, CP rely too much on the sex industry will be hurt the most other cities like Shenzhen or Zhu Hai will still grow without the sex industry.
Fast Eddie 48I was just in HK and Macau last week. The traffic for mongers had increased 10 folds. The Saunas in Macau (tho expensive compared to DG) are packed. HK, Apartments P4Ps are stormed with people.
Xiamen, Fuzhou, Zhangzhou, Quanzhou the storm from last year 2013 is over. Everything is back to normal.
Enjoy!
AG
So many people are being affected from the crackdown. Including the triad, high ranking officials, the entire industry. Even the legit businesses are being affected. Baozulin is closed as per my friends that just got back from CP. Are any one actually looking for these few undercover reporters that started all these. I am sure they have CCTV that capture their face. I really would not want to be in their shoe now.
Those old timers that remember how it was before should know. There were many places in Southern China that are now gone or a shadow of itself.
Those that remember how Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Houjie, Qingyuan, and Zhuhai were before each crackdown should know. After each crackdown, less places and more expensive. My favorite place in Shazui Village in Shenzhen, is only about 20% what it was before after 2008.
This crackdown has be more publicized and it's News world wide. It is a little different than other big ones. The few big ones that I recall were in 2008 for the Olympic, President Obama visit 2009, The Asian Games 2010, The Japanese Orgy in 2003, and Macau being handed back to China. This one specifically TARGETED Dongguan by Beijing.
I think the same will happen with Dongguan. Mongering will be around but a lot, lot less available and more expensive. The longer it last, the harder for each place to stay in business. Sorry to say. Maybe if a new regime or election takes place, the mongering industry will come back in Dongguan. I recall hearing many hotels were about 25 to 30% full for last week.
IMHO Wee
So many people are being affected from the crackdown. Including the triad, high ranking officials, the entire industry. Even the legit businesses are being affected. Baozulin is closed as per my friends that just got back from CP. Are any one actually looking for these few undercover reporters that started all these. I am sure they have CCTV that capture their face. I really would not want to be in their shoe now.I was in Humen two days ago and stayed at the 5 star Lung Chuen International Hotel. This hotel is owned by someone with great influence and connections to the police. When there was a crackdown sometime around 2005 when all hotels in that area were raided, the police only when to the lobby of Lung Chuen and then left. All the other hotels had their rooms checked. However this time is definitely more serious. The night club on third floor of this hotel is closed. Nearby across the road, a foot massage place is also closed and I had been told by my driver that most KTV, sauna and foot massage places would be closed for the next few weeks to be safe. Even if they are open, no customer would dare to patronize such places now. The New World Hotel has been shutdown by the police and the owner arrested. This hotel is only about three years old and had been in trouble with the authorities before. Probably did not have the connections needed to run such business.
Meanwhile in the outer provinces of Hunan, Chongqing, Hubei, Henan, Jiangxi, etc, many ladies have been trying to cancel their trip back to Dongguan due to the crackdown. They are in a desperate situation because after having spent most of their money during the Chinese New Year celebration, they are now jobless and close to penniless.
StinkyFeet
02-20-14, 16:29
Met this girl at the now closed dance bar in houjie, I thought to myself she was strangely too friendly towards me for such a cute girl. She would grab me to dance with her and play that dice game all night. At the end of the night I was hammered. She got me inside a taxi and went home with me. That night, I slept like a baby. Two days later she was riding me like I was a buckn bronco. It was the second time when I met her again at the bar did I remember a long time ago, I selected her at some sauna and had a great time. She remembered me, but I totally forgot about her. A week later I took her out for valentine's dinner and gave her some cash since I knew she no longer had a job. (this was the primary reason for her to spending alot of time at the disco, rather than working haha). She asked me if I could support her, I gave her some excuse that I couldn't. So if any of you houjie horndogs want to be a sugardaddy, PM me. Her asking price was 10K / month. For me she was way too skinny for me. 23yo, skinny figure, B cups, cute face, light tan skin.
SE Asia Joe
02-20-14, 17:05
Just some musings whilst I lament the probable lost of our favorite play playground. I hope I'm wrong and I certainly hope so.
This strike had been very meticulously orchestrated by the central government and surgically carried out to do maximum harm to both the supply and demand equation. If you notice, there had actually been very minimal actual arrests, but quite prominent and strategic ones designed to signal the authorities' stern resolve and which IMHO is only a first warning flare. Those who continue to not pay heed and think it's just like previous ineffectual yandas are, I think, in for a rude awakening.
Action at the Crown Prince is significant in that the owner, being a national CCCP member with close ties to the PLA, had been immune in the past. The removal of senior government officials also signaled that nobody is sacrosanct.
Previous weekend when I was there, ChangPing was still very much alive and the air of anticipation for when the girls will come back and business can resume was palpable. It is now like a ghost town as the timing of the start of the yanda. When the girls hadn't come back yet. Was IMHO perfectly timed to tell all the players to not come back; stay in your home province to do your part to build the inner areas up (as has been the stated intentions of central government) or else be prepared to work at those factories etc that are nowadays facing structural labor shortages in Dongguan. All very strategic. Even that supposed CCTV expose. Nothing of the sort, it was all directed by central government. Nothing gets aired on CCTV without such orders!
I've postulated in the past that the leaders are likely to take Singapore's cue and compartmentalize all Sex activities to ChangPing a'la Geylang. All this may yet come to bear. Stop all this revenue loss to the gangsters and corrupt officials and instead reform the whole industry to enable them to tax it all properly whilst upgrading the industry. No, of course not officially but something has to be done to stop this total loss of face to the world when China's best young maidens are being sold wholesale to any and all comers. Not official. But well understood and to be rigidly adhered to like how it is in Geylang. With transgressors having to face the full consequences.
Heck, if it is impossible to actually wipe out prostitution, it's only appropriate for China to have it conducted with class and a modicum of integrity. And that of course means we're probably going to have to shell out more of our hard earned money if we are to partake. Ouch!
I really think this may still be what's in store for ChangPing. And that it has been in the making for a few years. Note the cleanup of zhuhai, Shenzhen etc and the out-in-the-open relocations of all services to ChangPing past few years. That plus the go ahead to build all these big hotels, arcades, apartments etc. And isn't it amazing that up to date, ChangPing has not really even been mentioned in the mainstream media?
By the way. I just heard that someone is organizing a protest on Sunday 2 March. Ominous. Whoever it is who is behind this, I'm quite sure must have more than his fair share of vested interest! And is going to take full advantage of the general feeling of desperation, hopelessness and anger amongst many. Lemmings being driven to the cliff not by anybody leading them from ahead, but just by stoking their anger. Discontent and desperation. Sacrificial lambs!
And even those who are blindly participating in spreading this call to arms by re-posting such on their own QQ / WeChat accounts are going to be in danger as there are already in place actual laws against this. Poor naive pawns.
As I said, just some of my own musings and POV.
SEAJ
Bad Boy Billy
02-21-14, 00:42
[QUOTE=Stinkyfeet; 1534528]Met this girl at the now closed dance bar in houjie. I selected her at some sauna and had a great time. And gave her some cash since I knew she no longer had a job. She asked me if I could support her. Her asking price was 10K / month. QUOTE]OIC. You met an ex-Sauna hoare at a dance club. You fucked her. You then gave her money. Now you try to pimp her out. That sure is a strange definition of a "FREEBIE". Your posts are entertaining to say the least!
StinkyFeet
02-21-14, 03:45
[QUOTE=Stinkyfeet; 1534528]Met this girl at the now closed dance bar in houjie. I selected her at some sauna and had a great time. And gave her some cash since I knew she no longer had a job. She asked me if I could support her. Her asking price was 10K / month. QUOTE]OIC. You met an ex-Sauna hoare at a dance club. You fucked her. You then gave her money. Now you try to pimp her out. That sure is a strange definition of a "FREEBIE". Your posts are entertaining to say the least!Someone has alot hate
I really think this may still be what's in store for ChangPing. And that it has been in the making for a few years. Note the cleanup of zhuhai, Shenzhen etc and the out-in-the-open relocations of all services to ChangPing past few years. That plus the go ahead to build all these big hotels, arcades, apartments etc. And isn't it amazing that up to date, ChangPing has not really even been mentioned in the mainstream media?
SEAJWhen I first time heard about crackdown this year and don't find in media anything about CP I think is not so bad. And first info from BSD was encouraging (I think I get this info in first weekend after raids ). But now I see tha I was mistaken, situation is going worse every day. And we have planed visit in CP 22th March for 8 nights. And I hope that situation in CP go better at least in our hotel.
I can't postpone this visit because we are going to Guangzhou for Interzoom Fairs and as usually CP was our fun base. Now I heard that all venues are closed till 18. 05!
This will be a disaster for us! I only hope that clubs like "Eighteen" will be open.
Good luck Jacher,
Everything was closed along swan lake including 18. Hope it gets better but I would't be holding my breath. The whole Guangdong Province including Guangzhou and Shenzhen are super careful right now. The random hotel room check is really scaring the *hit out of everyone.
Good luck Jacher,
Everything was closed along swan lake including 18. Hope it gets better but I would't be holding my breath. The whole Guangdong Province including Guangzhou and Shenzhen are super careful right now. The random hotel room check is really scaring the *hit out of everyone.Random Hotel room check? Are you serious? This is really scary thing!
Travel Dog
02-22-14, 08:46
If you're in Dong Guan how do you survive the next 3 months? You old China hands have been through this before but for everyone else I offer this advice.
1) Get out of town. Philippines or Thailand are near enough.
Hong Kong or Macau are even closer, but expensive.
2) Every KTV, even family KTVs, are shut down. So is every foot massage, even the legit ones, that you would take your mother to.
All bars are closed regardless of how straight up they were.
So what's left? Restaurants, Sex toy shops, Hair salons still have their licenses' and are open. So go for a shampoo see what you can rustle up. Invite some girls out for hot pot dinner. Drink it up and go Chinese style.
3) Get out your list of phone numbers and set up a private session. Your place or mine?
4) Remember if a place wasn't licensed in the first place there is nothing to cancel so you the tiny back alley places are still there, with the doors closed. Make a call. Ok so it will be a lot more work.
5) Wait it out.
Karry Yokie
02-22-14, 14:01
Mongering is mongering. End of! I used to post here under a different name and have spent many years mongering in Changping (and other places)
I became sick of the so called 'raids' every year, but more importantly I became sick and tired of the 'service' that one often receives (or more importantly does not receive) when mongering in KTV bars in DG.
3, 7.11. What's the diff between the 700 and 1100 (or so)? Take them back to your room after a great night in the KTV. Maybe get a fuck but that's it. They just want to sleep in your comfy hotel room rather than go back to their grotty apartment. So the RMB700 becomes a hard one to enforce. Especially if you are a 'morning person'
Paying around RMB1200 per night in CP for what I considered to be average service (at best) from a KTV girl began to get the better of me so I started to look elsewhere.
I joined several dating sites and only two were 'productive'. One is Chineselovelinks and the other is Chinalovematch.
Don't even consider chnlove or Asianbeauties etc as they are scam sites and you will be ripped off. Make no mistake!
I have met more women from Chinese love links and China love match than I can count. I have slept with 90% of them and it's not cost me a brass razoo.
Each one is going to cost you around USD$70 for a 3 month membership, but compared to what you would pay in CP for one night of crap service, it's well worth it in my opinion.
OK, so most of these women are looking for husbands or 'life-partners' but most are divorced and gagging for it. It's easy to find some in Shenzhen / Dongguan / Guangzhou that will happily travel to CP and go to a KTV with you for a couple nights or so.
If you are 'caught' then it's easy to prove she is your GF as you have a previous history of e-mails and I'm chat. You are not going to get pinged for meeting her that night.
She is free, so you don't get ripped-off for RMB1200.
To be honest, I have met so many women who are happy just to 'walk away happy' after a couple of nights in the sack (never hear from them again) that I cannot believe it.
Not ideal. But an option you may want to consider.
It works for me and I continue to 'monger' on these sites and continue to have fantastic results!
I can forget the raids, I can forget the worry etc. Because each night I spend with a new woman I am essentially sleeping with my "girlfriend" (and can 'prove it')
I have had good and bad. But who cares if it's free? I have had good and bad in KTV bars that's cost me a fortune and also the fact I'm looking over my shoulder each time.
Never again!
LukeSkywalker
02-22-14, 19:20
For the bros who live in China, this would be a good suggestion. There are a lot of single and divorced women in China who are still young, nice, clean, good-looking and horny.
But for the bros who only visit China for a week or so, it may be difficult to find girls who would sleep with them after the first date.
I picked out the best-looking girl in SZ with pictures of her pretty face posted in Date in Asia. She turned out to be overweight, lumpy, having poor manners, wearing old, shabby clothes for the first date. I was pretty disgusted with her so I just bailed.
I felt like I wasted the half hour with her. I would not fuck her for free. I would rather spend money to fuck good-looking young girls.
There are a lot of good-looking young girls in China if you have time.
I joined several dating sites and only two were 'productive'. One is Chineselovelinks and the other is Chinalovematch.
I have met more women from Chinese love links and China love match than I can count. I have slept with 90% of them and it's not cost me a brass razoo.
Cloud Palms
02-22-14, 22:01
Unfortunately I scheduled a vacation to CP right when the crackdown occured and couldn't get to do much except for a couple of footie freebies and saunas in Macau. So instead of CP I flew to Angeles City, Phillipines for the first time to experience the scene there. My comparison between pre-crackdown CP and AC is as follows. Would love to hear others feedback as well.
Girls:
Will start off with the most important I guess. To each his own with this one, I am Chinese and probably looks wise I find the girls in Southern China to be better looking, lighter skin and nicer bodies. That being said the attitude of these girls has really gone downhill in the past 5 years as I'm sure we all.
Experienced. The type of girls in China are getting to be too enterprising and while this does mean they are smarter and you can have some real conversations with them provided you know the language, this also means they are lazier and arent providing as good as service anymore. In AC while the girls are less attractive to me, they are much nicer and provide with a much better GFE. I got a bargirl for LT and she stayed with no issues and the next two days kept texting me nonstop so I can barfine her again, which I did once more. Also they tend to know basic english which is good for most but with my girl it.
Was very basic so couldn't converse that much. While its possible to get a GFE in CP, its tougher unless you want to spend a lot of money.
EDGE: Push.
Hotels:
AC still has a lot of dirt roads and is a much poorer place right now. The quality of hotels there is not much compared to the large CP hotels and is actually more expensive than CP, I stayed at the nicest new hotel Penthouse which was $100 USD a night, something in CP would be better for that amount.
EDGE: CP.
Services:
CP to me has the better quality massages and spa services and the all important sauna services. AC I couldn't find any decent footies but there were good places for facial washes and shaves in the SM Clark Mall. Nothing of the brothel / sauna services to be found in AC.
EDGE: CP.
Entertainment:
Mentioned earlier that I am not much of a KTV guy anymore unless its with friends but if I were alone I don't mind the gogo bars right now as I met some cool veteran guys there that were very helpful in their advices to me. KTV's tend to take up the whole evening and unless you speak Chinese and can sing a bit, not as fun for some. Other entertainment such as movies, CP has the large dvd shops. Gambling, one can trek down to Macau while AC casinos arent.
Comparable. But I think entertainment wise its more about the friends and people you are with. I've been going to CP for 8 years and know.
More CP goers but I know if I frequent AC I'll meet a lot of awesome guys there too.
EDGE: Push.
Expenses:
AC everything is cheaper. Girls, goods, services, food, drinks. Except for hotels. You'll definitely get more bang per buck.
EDGE: AC.
Verdict:
Based on pre-crackdown CP and AC right now I have to give a slight edge to CP still based on hotels and sauna services for me. Its two different styles so not easy to compare. Girls and entertainment wise, everyones mileage may vary. Some may enjoy KTVs over bars and vice versa. Chinese food is obviously better in China, which in AC you can get a better burger, pasta or steak. I like parts of AC as well but am not in either camp that swears by it or hates it. If I had a 7 day trip at this point I'd however put more time in CP over AC at this point say 70/30.
WINNER: CP for now but if the crackdowns don't stop and prices become way too obscene then I'll definitely reverse the allocation towards AC.
Mongering is mongering. End of! I used to post here under a different name and have spent many years mongering in Changping (and other places)
I became sick of the so called 'raids' every year, but more importantly I became sick and tired of the 'service' that one often receives (or more importantly does not receive) when mongering in KTV bars in DG. [SNIP]I chuckled when I read your name! Good one! As a freebie fan, I generally agree with you and would add a few observations.
Firstly, a majority of the photos in Chinese Love links are professionally taken, so you need to allow for that in your selections. Chinese photographers use Photoshop extensively, and make the women's complexion flawless and totally without wrinkles. Hell, even when I go to get identification photos for visas, company tags or whatever, they make me look 25 years younger, and nothing like my actual face. Like you, I do use CLL, and also with great success. I have communicated and met with many girls from 22 to 50.
Secondly, most posters agree that GFE with WGs can be a bit hit or miss. I have only been to CP 3 times (a total of 14 nights I think). I never selected more than one girl to take to hotel room, but honestly only had 2 less than GFE experiences. Some even wanted to hang out with me outside their working hours. Many are quite lonely and in need of love! I think one reason for my experiences is because I have good intuition and because I take them LT and develop a bit of rapport with them.
Finally, from what I have read on the forum, there have only been raids in CP at the most, once every year, and generally around (before?) CNY. This year though is different!
Cheers
LukeSkywalker
02-23-14, 03:46
chang ping's hotels are good values for money, new, nice, clean, large and bright rooms. the hotels make so much more money with their ktvs, booze and girls, they can afford to subsidize the rooms.
i would not waste my time in angeles city because the girls and the whole town cater to the needs of low-brow customers with very poor taste. ac girls are mostly young country bumpkins. they are not pretty or good-looking, actually some of the crudest girls in asia, and just have not learned the arts of making themselves sexy, attractive and desirable like urban girls.
ac is literally a meat market. there is really not much refinements in girls, bars, food, drinks, entertainment, culture. guys are basically going to the boondocks to fuck crude, bad-looking girls cheap. i suspect ****philia is also ac's major attraction.
manila has much better-looking girls, better food, better bars and more funs to enjoy, not a whole lot of recreations, not the best in the world, but much better than the gutters in ac. you would be surprised to find a lot of sweet, pretty, tall and good-looking girls in many bars, cafes, fishbowls, malls. within 5-mile radius of the us embassy's sexually strategic location... hehe.
talk to the hotels' doormen or drivers. they can supply a lot of good-looking girls with lots of fun for far less money and time than chang ping. you can party, drink, gamble, have sex all day all night with lots of young girls for a fraction of chang ping's costs.
if you want a fun vacation with pretty girls, good food, nice, clean beach, [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118), outdoor recreations ect... you can head to cebu or palawan. but the selection in palawan may be very small, so you should spend 1 to 2 days in manila to interview and take along your vacation girls.
thailand also has big selections of girls and all sorts of recreation and funs in bangkok and many beach towns. other bros may be able to fill in.
OldAsiaHand
02-23-14, 05:02
I was in Humen two days ago and stayed at the 5 star Lung Chuen International Hotel. This hotel is owned by someone with great influence and connections to the police. When there was a crackdown sometime around 2005 when all hotels in that area were raided, the police only when to the lobby of Lung Chuen and then left. All the other hotels had their rooms checked. However this time is definitely more serious. The night club on third floor of this hotel is closed. Nearby across the road, a foot massage place is also closed and I had been told by my driver that most KTV, sauna and foot massage places would be closed for the next few weeks to be safe. Even if they are open, no customer would dare to patronize such places now. The New World Hotel has been shutdown by the police and the owner arrested. This hotel is only about three years old and had been in trouble with the authorities before. Probably did not have the connections needed to run such business.
Meanwhile in the outer provinces of Hunan, Chongqing, Hubei, Henan, Jiangxi, etc, many ladies have been trying to cancel their trip back to Dongguan due to the crackdown. They are in a desperate situation because after having spent most of their money during the Chinese New Year celebration, they are now jobless and close to penniless.Back in the day, the Lung Chuen Hotel was the only safe mongering place in Dongguan. At that time, the hotel was located in 3-4 floors on top of a shoppingmall. It was totally self-contained with a couple of floors with rooms, a sauna, KTV and a restaurant. You could pull a girl from the KTV and just go directly to your room. No need to risk going outside.
Just my POV.
OAH
Karry Yokie
02-23-14, 06:00
talk to the hotels' doormen or drivers. they can supply a lot of good-looking girls with lots of fun for far less money and time than chang ping. you can party, drink, gamble, have sex all day all night with lots of young girls for a fraction of chang ping's costs.
if you want a fun vacation with pretty girls, good food, nice, clean beach, [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118), outdoor recreations ect. you can head to cebu or palawan. but the selection in palawan may be very small, so you should spend 1 to 2 days in manila to interview and take along your vacation girls.
thailand also has big selections of girls and all sorts of recreation and funs in bangkok and many beach towns. other bros may be able to fill in.good advice luke. i have never been to manila but a mate of mine goes there regularly on business. recently he took along 2 x colleagues and they all got together with a dozen girls in his hotel room and had a ball. sadly though, he came home and gave his wife a dose of something and is now getting divorced (lol)
thai is ok, been there done that many times, but there is an old saying about thai girls. "what is the difference between a washing machine and a thai woman?"
answer. "you can dump a load in a washing machine and it won't follow you around for a week!" lol.
i like the idea of a few days in manila interviewing before taking off to cebu for a few nights though.
OldAsiaHand
02-23-14, 06:45
I just spent a few days in AC (with a couple of esteemed members of this forum) and a couple days in Manila by myself. My observations / comparisons follow:
Hotels: AC is more expensive. We stayed at the new Queen's Hotel and paid around $70. The room was nice but nothing compared to CP for less money.
Girls: This is a matter of personal preference. We did a lot of bar-hopping in AC. I would compare AC bar quality with CP BBS. There are some very nice girls in every bar but they are the exception rather than the rule. N. B. The majority of girls in AC have babies compared to almost none in CP. Pricing is more expensive than CP BBS, but less than CP KTV / Sauna.
Food: We ate at the better western places in AC. I found the food quite good if you like western. Good western food is really not available in CP.
Access: CP has BBS and Sauna where you can just go in and pull a girl for ST. AC has the bars where you need to take more time, buy the girl a drink and build a little rapport so to speak before you take her out and back to your hotel. That said, most girls prefer ST in AC as they do in CP but ST is my preference anyway. I think I convey this to the girls subconsciously and they suspect there is no long term opportunity with me so why waste time for LT.
Language: AC has obvious advantages for non-Chinese speakers.
Environment: There is not much else to do but monger in CP or AC.
Transportation: Neither the Jeepnys or the side cars are very comfortable in AC. Normal taxis are available in CP.
Just my POV.
OAH
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epaper/2014-02/21/content_17297757.htm
Front page story today:
Sex workers avoid HIV programs.
Many keep low profile following police crackdown on prostitution in Dongguan.
Those on the front line of the sex industry are shunning HIV / AIDS prevention services for fear of exposure after a crackdown on prostitution in Dongguan, Guangdong province.
According to the head of the Tianjin Xin'ai Cultural Center. A nongovernmental organization committed to HIV / AIDS intervention among low-end sex workers in the city. The organization's work just got a lot more difficult.
"We used to cover more than 700 low-end sex workers in the city and many of them now reject our services," said the NGO head, who did not want her name to be used.
The campaign in Dongguan came hours after a China Central Television program revealed that high-end hotels in the city were offering sex for sale.
Police have held more than 500 suspects in more than 1, 300 cases of organizing, soliciting or introducing sex services in Dongguan since Feb 9.
Many other cities have since stepped up efforts to crack down on prostitution.
The women that the Tianjin Xin'ai Cultural Center helps work mostly at massage parlors.
The majority come from impoverished rural areas, have little education and low health awareness, especially regarding STDs, the head of the NGO said.
They are mainly between 35 and 55 years old, she said."Some can't even read the AIDS prevention brochures we distributed."
Nearly 20 percent of the sex workers had syphilis, she said, although this number is declining through intervention.
"It's far easier to deliver intervention services at large, high-end parlors, like at those hotels in Dongguan," she said.
Sex workers there are usually younger women who have higher health awareness and are more likely to use condoms with their clients, she said.
In 2012, AIDS control workers tested 1. 36 million sex workers nationwide for HIV, and 1, 130 tested positive.
"Prostitution definitely played a role in this figure, and sex workers have long been high on our working agenda to curb AIDS," said Wu Zunyou, director of the National Center for AIDS and Sexually Transmitted Disease Control and Prevention.
However, he said, that requires cooperation from public security and health authorities.
In 2010, Dongguan started a program to help prevent HIV / AIDS among sex workers.
Under the program, funded by the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, the disease control and prevention center in Dongguan conducted HIV / AIDS intervention targeting 12, 500 sex workers in the city, according to Guangzhou Daily.
Lin Peng, head of the Guangdong CDC's sexually transmitted disease division, said that by the end of 2012 the number of HIV / AIDS cases reported in Dongguan accounted for 3. 8 percent of the more than 36, 000 cases in the province.
In 2012 alone, Guangdong reported 6, 454 HIV / AIDS cases. 502 of them in Dongguan.
More than 80 percent involved heterosexual transmission, higher than the national 70 percent average, he said.
"Many of the infected were male migrants in the city who lived away from their spouses," he said. He added that 86 percent of those reported in 2012 were non-locals.
"It's harder to reach migrant workers through intervention efforts," he said.
(email address of author redacted)
- J
Just wondering with all the crackdowns, is anyone having any luck finding places that are still BAU? Busines as usual and completely unaffected? I'm planning a trip to hk soon and wondering if it's worth making a hop over.
For the bros who live in China, this would be a good suggestion. There are a lot of single and divorced women in China who are still young, nice, clean, good-looking and horny.
But for the bros who only visit China for a week or so, it may be difficult to find girls who would sleep with them after the first date.
I picked out the best-looking girl in SZ with pictures of her pretty face posted in Date in Asia. She turned out to be overweight, lumpy, having poor manners, wearing old, shabby clothes for the first date. I was pretty disgusted with her so I just bailed.
I felt like I wasted the half hour with her. I would not fuck her for free. I would rather spend money to fuck good-looking young girls.
There are a lot of good-looking young girls in China if you have time.I agree with LukeSkywalker this advice is for bros whos living in China and speak little Chinese and could read in this language.
For me its mission imposible.
Jacher
LukeSkywalker
02-23-14, 15:30
i did not know dongguan has many massage parlors with older workers who sell sex. the massage girls at the walter hotel were fairly young but homely. they wear their drab uniforms just like the hotel's cleaning crew. i found 1 who was tall, thin, nice, clean fairly attractive. but i could not convince her to give me sex, not even a hand job, or go out with me after her shift. the walter hotel's massage department seemed legit.
the oldest masseuse i met was in a rundown place in zhuhai that charged 286 y for 90-minute sessions. she was the best-looking in the whole place, but must have been in her mid 40's, and looked pretty bad. the local bro took us there just to show us the low end of the market. the place was dirty, reeking of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). the rooms were small with single beds and old stained mattresses. i had a hard time getting an erection in such circumstances but finally closed my eyes tight, got it on and fucked the old, ugly woman.
i suspect most if not all local guys would insist on fucking the old women bare back and these poor women would have to yield to them. these low end places could really spread diseases. i do know for fact that the local bros i know in china always have sex bare back with girls, p4p or non pros, with bbs or high-end ktv girls, and cam really spread diseases. without speaking any chinese, i had no problems convincing the girls to fuck bareback. local bros just expect it.
in addition to the risks of hiv and aids, the 20% syphilis rate is very worrisome. pretty soon it will spread quickly among the girls and mongers. syphilis can have devastating long-term consequences for both men and women.
young girls who work the upscale ktv's may be more careful with their health, but infection risks are still high and will get worse as the government drive them underground.
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epaper/2014-02/21/content_17297757.htm
those on the front line of the sex industry are shunning hiv / aids prevention services for fear of exposure after a crackdown on prostitution in dongguan, guangdong province.
the women that the tianjin xin'ai cultural center helps work mostly at massage parlors.
the majority come from impoverished rural areas, have little education and low health awareness, especially regarding stds, the head of the ngo said.
they are mainly between 35 and 55 years old, she said."some can't even read the aids prevention brochures we distributed."
nearly 20 percent of the sex workers had syphilis, she said, although this number is declining through intervention.
"it's far easier to deliver intervention services at large, high-end parlors, like at those hotels in dongguan," she said.
- j
I was in KL yesterday and went to visit a local KL sauna. I was sitting with the manager and he asked where I lived in China. He asked me about CP, I told him I had a lot of experience enjoying the ladies in CP. He asked if I knew about the "crackdown". I told him only what I read in the papers and on the internet. He told me that because of the crackdown, he expected a lot more Chinese girls to be coming to KL and other Malay areas for work. He must have a conduit, because he was already planning to add more Chinese girls to his staff. I gathered that all or most of them have / are working in CP saunas. I can't see a lot of the KTV girls working in a KL sauna.
I admit I was surprised by this conversation, didn't know that news spread so fast.
Fast Eddie 48
02-25-14, 16:32
I was in KL yesterday and went to visit a local KL sauna. I was sitting with the manager and he asked where I lived in China. He asked me about CP, I told him I had a lot of experience enjoying the ladies in CP. He asked if I knew about the "crackdown". I told him only what I read in the papers and on the internet. He told me that because of the crackdown, he expected a lot more Chinese girls to be coming to KL and other Malay areas for work. He must have a conduit, because he was already planning to add more Chinese girls to his staff. I gathered that all or most of them have / are working in CP saunas. I can't see a lot of the KTV girls working in a KL sauna.
I admit I was surprised by this conversation, didn't know that news spread so fast.To Sky Ryder
Yes Changping is well know to Monger in Singapore and Malay there is a bothel in Geylang red light dist named ChangPing many of them stay in Walter hotel on a sex tour and they have money big spender &65292; yes there are going to be more PRC going to KL to work and China central government made this clear local Offical to do their job or they be replace a big sign in CP and Huangjiang reward will be offer to anyone report any crime and drug this is big news in asia &12290;
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
02-25-14, 16:40
chang ping's hotels are good values for money, new, nice, clean, large and bright rooms. the hotels make so much more money with their ktvs, booze and girls, they can afford to subsidize the rooms.
i would not waste my time in angeles city because the girls and the whole town cater to the needs of low-brow customers with very poor taste. ac girls are mostly young country bumpkins. they are not pretty or good-looking, actually some of the crudest girls in asia, and just have not learned the arts of making themselves sexy, attractive and desirable like urban girls.
ac is literally a meat market. there is really not much refinements in girls, bars, food, drinks, entertainment, culture. guys are basically going to the boondocks to fuck crude, bad-looking girls cheap. i suspect ****philia is also ac's major attraction.
manila has much better-looking girls, better food, better bars and more funs to enjoy, not a whole lot of recreations, not the best in the world, but much better than the gutters in ac. you would be surprised to find a lot of sweet, pretty, tall and good-looking girls in many bars, cafes, fishbowls, malls. within 5-mile radius of the us embassy's sexually strategic location. hehe.
talk to the hotels' doormen or drivers. they can supply a lot of good-looking girls with lots of fun for far less money and time than chang ping. you can party, drink, gamble, have sex all day all night with lots of young girls for a fraction of chang ping's costs.
if you want a fun vacation with pretty girls, good food, nice, clean beach, [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118), outdoor recreations ect. you can head to cebu or palawan. but the selection in palawan may be very small, so you should spend 1 to 2 days in manila to interview and take along your vacation girls.
thailand also has big selections of girls and all sorts of recreation and funs in bangkok and many beach towns. other bros may be able to fill in.
to luke.
when is the last time you are in ac or cp if ever or you just post report form just reading other post ， all you fantasy post is in the past you don't know any thing currenty happening in ac or cp at all ， ac is changing a dirt shit hole 10 yr ago but there are more international monger form korea &65292; singapore and japan going there now many high end hotel is opening like the penthouse &65292; queen cater to the high roller maybe no now the chinese with.
all the crack down in china round trip flight form macau is only 100 usd to clark &65292; all your post are useless and asking for info and girl number and you are not even an paid member change youe handle to luke the luker &12290;
fast eddie 48
StinkyFeet
02-25-14, 18:27
To Sky Ryder
Yes Changping is well know to Monger in Singapore and Malay there is a bothel in Geylang red light dist named ChangPing many of them stay in Walter hotel on a sex tour and they have money big spender &65292; yes there are going to be more PRC going to KL to work and China central government made this clear local Offical to do their job or they be replace a big sign in CP and Huangjiang reward will be offer to anyone report any crime and drug this is big news in asia &12290;
Fast Eddie 48I have been told that pubs will re-open at the end of the month. Also the foot massages. KTV and saunas, no word from from the managers. Even my p4p contacts are slowly drying up, preferring to return home rather than doing nothing in DG.
attached is a photo. another hapless brothel hidden deep in the shut down red light district, gets caught red handed. probably aunties working there since that section of the red light district catered to MILF seeking crowd. interestingly enough, about 5 minutes walk away on another road, i saw some familiar pimps with two C grade very young SW.
I have been told that pubs will re-open at the end of the month.Stinkyfeet are you sure about openinng the clubs?
Because my trip will take place in late March (22-30. 03) and we most of our time spend in club 18 and in sauna in Clipper Hotel so for us is great news if they only open sauna at hotel we are saved. I still wait for update from BSD at the end of the week maybe he will give me more happy news.
Jacher
LukeSkywalker
02-26-14, 00:32
The poor old grandmas must have been very hungry after the raids that they had to continue hooking, facing arrests, shame, prosecution.
The situation in CP seems very grim. Wonder if the young girls will find towns outside of DongGuan that they can work in the future.
. Also the foot massages. KTV and saunas, no word from from the managers. Even my p4p contacts are slowly drying up, preferring to return home rather than doing nothing in DG.
Attached is a photo. Another hapless brothel hidden deep in the shut down red light district, gets caught red handed. Probably aunties working there since that section of the red light district catered to MILF seeking crowd. Interestingly enough, about 5 minutes walk away on another road, I saw some familiar pimps with two C grade very young SW.
SE Asia Joe
02-27-14, 12:35
Some of the things I saw in Chang Ping past few days.
Xing party opened up for one night with a prominently placed notice from the authorities that all those entering will need to produce their I'd document. Closed the next day. Taco bakery together with a dozen other shops on the same street with their shutters down. In fact, looking around CP, lots of places has their shutters down and those still open mostly empty. Even the good dimsum restaurant on 6 / f LCC mall closed; never mind the one at the Lucky hotel shopping arcade. That and the rest of the shops there went belly up even before all this. Friend checking in to the Lion hotel was told specifically that lady friends were not going to be allowed access. And sure enough, security guards behind a rickety desk at the lift lobby ready to check I'd's. Lucky footsy lights all ablaze and reception girls out in force at their front door and I thought great! Only to come back an hour later after dinner to a darkened door; guess my tired feet wasn't going to get no relief after all! Why do these places even bother to open right now? Trial balloons?
A friend Walked up SWL road to find it so eerie and quiet, poked in his head into 18 and it was all loud and lit as usual, but again eerily devoid of the usual crowds and rowdiness one usually expect there. Also heard that crime rate, usually lower during the period right after Chinese New Year, had actually increased this year. Be careful out there.
On the plus side, I see that construction of Miraton 2 continues, taxis and pirate cars are everywhere and welcoming as soon as I cross my 2 forefingers to signify 10. The streets are alive with all manners of girls walking about, eyes furtively eyeing possible customers and some even willingly smiling at strangers like me; and oh yeah, hardly any make-up and thus one can be quite sure of actually getting what one sees! But even on this there's a fly in the ointment. Just about all my regulars wanted to know that I've indeed got a "safe" place to take her to before agreeing to meeting me. And that of course means not a hotel room. And for those without regulars, I'm hearing that the asking price had gone up; who knows though!
And even trying to pick girls up on the street. Again be careful as I saw this quite well dressed and pretty good looking girl walking about in a daze and sometimes doing something nutso; either someone who's lost her marbles or worse and more likely. On drugs and not being able to go to her usual haunts, has probably just taken to the streets too.
The movie houses are doing a brisk business and Starbucks, McDonald's and especially 85 are packed the whole day; seems like everybody goes to these places as there really is no other places / nothing better to do in CP these days. And oh. Last night I saw a beggar out and about. To me, some manner of normalcy must follow their appearance! LOL.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
02-27-14, 20:57
Some of the things I saw in Chang Ping past few days.
Xing party opened up for one night with a prominently placed notice from the authorities that all those entering will need to produce their I'd document. Closed the next day. Taco bakery together with a dozen other shops on the same street with their shutters down. In fact, looking around CP, lots of places has their shutters down and those still open mostly empty. Even the good dimsum restaurant on 6 / f LCC mall closed; never mind the one at the Lucky hotel shopping arcade. That and the rest of the shops there went belly up even before all this. Friend checking in to the Lion hotel was told specifically that lady friends were not going to be allowed access. And sure enough, security guards behind a rickety desk at the lift lobby ready to check I'd's. Lucky footsy lights all ablaze and reception girls out in force at their front door and I thought great! Only to come back an hour later after dinner to a darkened door; guess my tired feet wasn't going to get no relief after all! Why do these places even bother to open right now? Trial balloons?
A friend Walked up SWL road to find it so eerie and quiet, poked in his head into 18 and it was all loud and lit as usual, but again eerily devoid of the usual crowds and rowdiness one usually expect there. Also heard that crime rate, usually lower during the period right after Chinese New Year, had actually increased this year. Be careful out there.
On the plus side, I see that construction of Miraton 2 continues, taxis and pirate cars are everywhere and welcoming as soon as I cross my 2 forefingers to signify 10. The streets are alive with all manners of girls walking about, eyes furtively eyeing possible customers and some even willingly smiling at strangers like me; and oh yeah, hardly any make-up and thus one can be quite sure of actually getting what one sees! But even on this there's a fly in the ointment. Just about all my regulars wanted to know that I've indeed got a "safe" place to take her to before agreeing to meeting me. And that of course means not a hotel room. And for those without regulars, I'm hearing that the asking price had gone up; who knows though!
And even trying to pick girls up on the street. Again be careful as I saw this quite well dressed and pretty good looking girl walking about in a daze and sometimes doing something nutso; either someone who's lost her marbles or worse and more likely. On drugs and not being able to go to her usual haunts, has probably just taken to the streets too.
The movie houses are doing a brisk business and Starbucks, McDonald's and especially 85 are packed the whole day; seems like everybody goes to these places as there really is no other places / nothing better to do in CP these days. And oh. Last night I saw a beggar out and about. To me, some manner of normalcy must follow their appearance! LOL.
SEAJTo SEAJ.
I heard of a plan protest next week by business owner about the government crack down are killing the business all Hong konger are staying away that make me laugh, they protest in Dongguan city and Houjie after the 2007 crack down well most of the hotel and sauna is still gone, so are you going to hold up a protest sign hoping CP will come back maybe they allow the footie to reopening again offer HJ only.
Fast Eddie 48
LukeSkywalker
02-28-14, 02:31
Last time there was a student democracy protest in front of Tian An Men, China's leadership, most notably the free-market champion, Deng Hsiao Peng, sent in tanks to run over them and made a mess of bloody ground meat in front of the Heaven's Gate.
Then for the next 20 years, Chinese Security Police systematically interviewed, investigated and tracked down about 10, 000 students who participated. Most just disappeared from the face of the earth. Nobody knows what happened to them and of course nobody dares complain.
Welcome to Justice Chinese style. HongKongese love to use the Tian An Men massacre to dis China's leadership.
This time the Dongguan protest will presumably be driven by a more mundane cause: young and old pussies and the money that pussies bring in to feed local people.
Wonder what Beijing will do to the protesters this time? Send in tanks to roll over sweet, pretty little girls? Have snipers shoot down gang leaders? Have club-wielding thugs beating protesters in the name of chastity and decency? Arrest and parade young, pretty girls on the streets like a bunch of naked red-assed monkeys?
The rest of the world knows very well the extremely brutal and evil abuses Beijing has been doing against its own people in the name of stability, but really to preserve power, profit and privileges for the minority ruling class.
The rest of the world will be watching what crimes Beijing will commit against the poor, sweet, helpless little girls of Dongguan this time. Beijing would do much better showing its citizens and the world it is big enough to admit responsibilities for its own socio-economic-politico failures, and to offer these poor, hapless young girls opportunities and positive incentives to improve their lives, rather than perpetually punishing them.
Travel Dog
02-28-14, 02:37
Here's a followup to SE Joe's excellent report with another on the ground report this time from Chang An, where things have improved but only just slightly.
Family KTVs have opened back up. All the large professional ones are still closed.
Legit foot massages have also opened. All the Saunas and relaxation centers are still locked up tightly.
Many people have left town and returned to their home province to wait it out. Those still here have been simultaneously enjoying their vacation and worrying about their next paycheck. Desperation is beginning to set in. No sign of any other improvement.
Bars have opened back up.
So, you can at least go out for a drink, footie and haircut if nothing else.
TD
SE Asia Joe
02-28-14, 08:03
First my apologies to some agents and anyone else I may offend with this post. But I've just gotten too many PM's, WeChat, whatsapp etc queries on this subject and think it best that I just reply publicly to everyone.
The question is if I think that the hotel room checks in Dongguan is over.
As far as I know, there are still checks on hotel rooms going on. In fact, how is one ever going to be 100% sure that these room checks has stopped as the relevant laws allowing such action remains on the books. Please note that in China's statutes, hotel rooms are considered public spaces and thus the authorities have the legal right to full access.
It's only when they actually announce that the strike hard campaign is over or an official announcement like that made about apartments not subject to raids that one can be reasonably sure; please note my emphasis on reasonableness.
As far as assurances and guarantees that you will be totally protected etc. Yes, probably in the past one can reasonably expect to have such guarantees. But unfortunately, one of the stated and foremost intention of this yanda is the crushing of all protective umbrellas; and actual follow- up on this intention. The first strike was against the Crown prince whose owner is acknowledged to be the strongest umbrella, plus officials purged lately had been from the highest echelons.
How can anybody now offer any guarantees under such circumstances? Note also that such offer is very much driven by commercial considerations on the part of the offeror. With nothing to stop him from high tailing it out if anything does happen.
I'd suggest that we are better off curtailing our carnal tendencies if in China or even just give it a total miss altogether until a clearer picture emerge here. And if you really do just need to still monger in China, that you do take all precautions. Rely more on your own wits and precautions first and foremost and discount any offers that's too good to be true.
Again apologize if I still manage to offend anybody.
SEAJ
Travel Dog & SEAJ
Thanks a lot for update about situation after crackdown. Maybe this info are not much encouragining but still are visible changes in good direction.
For me best news is that 18 are opened and I think when we arrive (3 weeks from now) will be much more crowded.
Thanks to this kind of reports is easier to make decision for us where we will stay CP or Guangzhou.
Jacher
Travel Dog & SEAJ
Thanks a lot for update about situation after crackdown. Maybe this info are not much encouragining but still are visible changes in good direction.
For me best news is that 18 are opened and I think when we arrive (3 weeks from now) will be much more crowded.
Thanks to this kind of reports is easier to make decision for us where we will stay CP or Guangzhou.
JacherJacher, I have a trip planned for the second week of April- so I'll be eagerly awaiting updates as well to determine if I should even bother heading into China vs. Just sticking with HK and Macau.
Is Guangzhou or Zhuhai somewhere worth checking out?
SE Asia Joe
03-01-14, 07:39
IMHO all these places opening up for one day do so merely to give false hope to the girls that things are returning to normal.
Managers and mommies (also mere pawns in this game. I mean, what do they really know?) then call their girls back from the villages and will of course also try convince those who had returned to ChangPing to not give up and to stay.
And oh, of course they then will try to drum up business by contacting their own customers. This being so, best if mommies' misguided clarion calls be taken with a large grain of salt.
Measures bordering on desperation.
SEAJ
Jacher, I have a trip planned for the second week of April- so I'll be eagerly awaiting updates as well to determine if I should even bother heading into China vs. Just sticking with HK and Macau.
Is Guangzhou or Zhuhai somewhere worth checking out?When we first time came to China we stayed in Guangzhou and back there we don't know anything about this forum and we found only footie. Second time we found club Tang (now he don't exist anymore) and then start our adventure with p4p in China. But real fun began when we discover this forum and thanks to that we start coming to CP. Of course you can find fun in Guangzhou but in CP is much easier. But in those days after crackdown and if you more in clubs and haunting for prey maybe Guangzhou will be better option, we still waiting and make our decision about which city w choose for our fun base a week before arrival. But definietly I will post report from battle ground.
Jacher
First my apologies to some agents and anyone else I may offend with this post.
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Again apologize if I still manage to offend anybody.
SEAJSEAJ, Many thanks for your up to date postings and invaluable musings. Much appreciated!
To those who could not guess, 'yanda' is pinyin for crackdown, or 'strike hard campaign'.
There are many acronyms used in the Dongguan thread (not listed in the forum abbreviations section), which are local name abbreviations. For example, SWL (often used) is Swan Lake Road. Others are abbreviations of saunas or hotels; you just have to guess if you are not familiar with CP.
But, SEAJ, what the hell is an 'XLG' (you used late last year)?
Cheers
But, SEAJ, what the hell is an 'XLG' (you used late last year)?
CheersGuess he meant little wolf dog, nick for mms boyfriends.
SE Asia Joe
03-02-14, 03:24
SEAJ, Many thanks for your up to date postings and invaluable musings. Much appreciated!
To those who could not guess, 'yanda' is.
But, SEAJ, what the hell is an 'XLG' (you used late last year)?
CheersXLG = XIAO long GAO = little wolf dog = parasitic boyfriends of ChangPing wg's, quite a common occurrence with these young girls. Sigh!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-02-14, 15:19
From what I understand and as explained to me by somebody who should know. All KTV's closed must now undergo renewal of licensing checks etc which includes a written undertaking by the owner / manager that ladies will not be provided for. Including dj services.
The understanding though is that there should probably be ladies available "elsewhere" and that there should not be any restrictions against their gentlemen clients bringing their own lady guests.
Don't hold me to any of this though, just relaying what I heard.
One eye open one closed; Baby steps!
SEAJ
The political leaders in Beijing are preparing for the opening of the annual legislature on Wednesday where Xi's government will deliver its first one-year work report. They will be able to boast of a successful crackdown on corruption. I really enjoyed my trips to China which were fantastic when I started but over the years I have witnessed the demise of Shenzhen, Zhuhai and now Changping. I found that CP had been declining over the past five years or so but I really always enjoyed the non-pro action in China which to me is the best in the world. I hope that things do not get so bad that I can no longer visit.
Karry Yokie
03-03-14, 01:11
I really enjoyed my trips to China which were fantastic when I started but over the years I have witnessed the demise of Shenzhen, Zhuhai and
Now Changping. I found that CP had been declining over the past five years or so but I really always enjoyed the non-pro action in China which to me is the best in the
World. I hope that things do not get so bad that I can no longer visit.I also share your sentiments here and agree that CP has been on the decline for the last 5 years or so. However, in recent years it has always seemed to bounce back somewhat and also a lot quicker than this. Apart from girls, what does CP have to offer? Not much IMHO, but the crackdown on KTV's etc is surely going to have a much wider knock-on-effect? What about clothes shops, hair salons, cosmetic salons etc (to name but a few). Many of these businesses rely on the local WG's to stay in business so if the WG's are forced out then CP could become a ghost-town very quickly. Makes you wonder if the Government has thought this through properly.
Due to the crackdown I changed my plans from staying in CP and CA and instead went to the Golden Dragon Hotel in Macau. Wanted to do a KTV but the were only two of us, one of which is a native PRC and I am an old lawoai. They offered a early bird special of 1 1/2 hrs KTV and a girl for 1 1/2 (1 shot and done!) hours for almost 3000 HKD. With that super deal came two bottles of beer and a couple soft drinks-WOW-such a deal I found very hard to pass up! (That is a joke!). If you wanted a better package, longer KTV and a LT girl you were in the 8000 HKD range. Passed and went for a walk instead. I have read quite a bit about the various saunas in Macau and may be FORCED to partake of one, but I doubt it.
General conclusion: Macau is not the place for a lawoai who does not speak the language and doesn't have tons of $$$$$ to burn. In retrospect, I would have been better off to stay in CA or CP, even with the crackdown and ordered room service.
As it is, I am totally bored and wish I could find a mix group to join up with for at least a little KTV fun. Oh well, I guess it is live and learn. If there is anyone around either today or tomorrow, just send me a PM and we'll see if we can get together for something. Mrclen
StinkyFeet
03-04-14, 14:49
As it is, I am totally bored and wish I could find a mix group to join up with for at least a little KTV fun. Oh well, I guess it is live and learn. If there is anyone around either today or tomorrow, just send me a PM and we'll see if we can get together for something. MrclenSucks big time. Sorry to hear. I heard guangzhou KTVs opened up but not sure if there are any girls. I am also bored as hell. I just got a blind dude massage for the first time since I was so bored the other day. Thank god for the go to girl that has saved my life from blue balls. Only need to pay her rent (650) and nice dinners and she lets me sleep over anytime. But I miss seeing the long line-ups. I never knew how much I enjoyed KTV until it was actually taken away from me. Haha
Fast Eddie 48
03-04-14, 20:08
I also share your sentiments here and agree that CP has been on the decline for the last 5 years or so. However, in recent years it has always seemed to bounce back somewhat and also a lot quicker than this. Apart from girls, what does CP have to offer? Not much IMHO, but the crackdown on KTV's etc is surely going to have a much wider knock-on-effect? What about clothes shops, hair salons, cosmetic salons etc (to name but a few). Many of these businesses rely on the local WG's to stay in business so if the WG's are forced out then CP could become a ghost-town very quickly. Makes you wonder if the Government has thought this through properly.To Karry.
Yes many buisness will be closed because of the Crack down the central Government know that but live will go on, many business man will lose money and reopen their shop an hotel some where else and WG will get a real job and move on, the China government is doing this for the future of China clean up coruption and vice last thing they care is karry come to China to get laid.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
03-04-14, 20:21
Due to the crackdown I changed my plans from staying in CP and CA and instead went to the Golden Dragon Hotel in Macau. Wanted to do a KTV but the were only two of us, one of which is a native PRC and I am an old lawoai. They offered a early bird special of 1 1/2 hrs KTV and a girl for 1 1/2 (1 shot and done!) hours for almost 3000 HKD. With that super deal came two bottles of beer and a couple soft drinks-WOW-such a deal I found very hard to pass up! (That is a joke!). If you wanted a better package, longer KTV and a LT girl you were in the 8000 HKD range. Passed and went for a walk instead. I have read quite a bit about the various saunas in Macau and may be FORCED to partake of one, but I doubt it.
General conclusion: Macau is not the place for a lawoai who does not speak the language and doesn't have tons of $$$$$ to burn. In retrospect, I would have been better off to stay in CA or CP, even with the crackdown and ordered room service.
As it is, I am totally bored and wish I could find a mix group to join up with for at least a little KTV fun. Oh well, I guess it is live and learn. If there is anyone around either today or tomorrow, just send me a PM and we'll see if we can get together for something. MrclenTo Mrclen.
If you want KTV options Jarkata Indonesia is a good options many high end and low end KTV all over the city most in Kota area own by indo Chinese most are entertament complex with Sauna in the same place sone highend one even have international staff like Macau but much cheaper you can read some of my post in Jarkata for more info.
Fast Eddie 48
.As far as assurances and guarantees that you will be totally protected etc. Yes, probably in the past one can reasonably expect to have such guarantees.Absolutely, and this reminds me that not too long ago it was possible to "give a call" and bailout a drunk driving offence.
Since, and it doesn't matter who you know, who you are (besides being lucking by paying a sweet 1K cash in the back of the wagon)"giving a call" to your "special someone" wouldn't help at all.
Jon Guoren
03-07-14, 14:57
Just for those interested:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/red-lights-dim-in-chinas-sin-city.html?hp&_r=1
StinkyFeet
03-07-14, 15:38
Just for those interested:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/red-lights-dim-in-chinas-sin-city.html?hp&_r=1The 10yuan fast food where sometimes I eat, I spied on some returning pimps at there usual spot. The girls are hidden and wearing plain clothes. Its seems like they are only dealing with returning customers only or customers that they are familiar with. I also notice a influx of SW coming in to my garden complex doing a mini-line up at the apartments! Hotels seems like is being avoided. Unbelievable the locals still want to get some poontang even in this police state. Yesterday, the big nightclubs in houjie opened up. Dongguan I heard from a taiwanese guy said that DG passed a BS law, stating that bars got to close at 2am
LukeSkywalker
03-07-14, 16:37
People, both men and women, need sex like they need food. Life will go on.
Prostitutes and pimps will do their business in smaller, more discreet and more nimble venues underground, harder for LE to prosecute.
With this massive strike hard and the resultant upheaval of life in Dongguan, local guy was estimating 2 out of 5 people would lose their jobs. A lot of people will be hungry and angry at the government.
This is typical struggle between the distant central government in Beijing, who wants to uphold the letter and spirit of the laws, against local governments who have to live, eat, work and fornicate with their local population, whose lives are not always just black and white.
In my opinion, Beijing did not give enough fair warnings over the years before ordering the massive strike closing down all entertainment venues this year. Over the last 2 decades, China's central and local governments turned their blind eyes, allowing Dongguan to invest and build up its infrastructure and to develop its sophisticated industry dedicated to selling sex. Everyone in the country knows what's going on in Dongguan. Now the government abruptly changes its policy, causing extreme hardships for large population of poor young families. Meanwhile the big fish have means to survive the crack down and will likely find ways to prosper with the new sets of rules.
I would argue that abrupt changes in policies and harsh enforcement of rules or laws are bad parenting as well as bad governing. It will not eliminate or reduce crimes, but will more likely breed discontent, disloyalty and cause local instability.
As have been known in the West, harsh punishments are not effective in reducing or deterring crimes, but consistent, just, fair and transparent enforcement of the laws, coupled with patient education and positive incentives, work better to convince the population to have respect for the laws and loyalty to the government entrusted with their enforcement.
It takes patient and hard work at grass-root level, not centrally-enforced broad strokes, that can positively improve the lifestyle and culture of the population in the long run.
Evolution is always safer, surer, more effective and less pains than revolution at implementing changes.
Luke,
How about more detailed info about recommendations and your experience in China? These broad generalizations are already known by us experienced China brothers. In fact, we can read about them in the newspapers and other sites without the paraphrasing. If you have specific anecdotes to share regarding CP and SZ, I would love to hear them.
LAMonkey
People, both men and women, need sex like they need food. Life will go on.
Prostitutes and pimps will do their business in smaller, more discreet and more nimble venues underground, harder for LE to prosecute.
With this massive strike hard and the resultant upheaval of life in Dongguan, local guy was estimating 2 out of 5 people would lose their jobs. A lot of people will be hungry and angry at the government.
'In Dongguan, two out of five people will lose their jobs if the situation doesn't return to normal, ' said Lin Yadong, a club manager, who wore a blue scarf and stiletto boots. '
So the 'prestigious' New York Times quotes a club manager for statistics of the impact on employment for the whole of Dongguan (an industrial city of more than 9 million people).
What wonderful investigative reporting! The rest of the article is just as amateurish. But I suppose many people who have never learnt to be discerning in the analysis of news will believe this so-called report.
Interesting that the NYT reporter (and some people here) , never even mentions, let alone discuss and analyse, the real reasons behind the 'strike-hard' campaign. These reasons have been well-documented and publicised by the government for the last 15 months. The sex industry is just collateral damage.
Can somone confirm how things going on SWL?
Club 18 is open? Any other "new openings"?
I will be greatfull for some info.
Regards.
Jacher
Can somone confirm how things going on SWL?
[SNIP]Have you contacted ISO 9000? You can PM him here, or email him directly (I have his email addy if you can't find it).
Tratnguyen1
03-08-14, 05:59
Gents,
I have read comments from Luke and totally understand Dongguan business industry facing now and many people emplorment status in the ditch for good. I had a plan to do the maiden trip to Dongguan Changping in may this year. I have done many times visiting Bangkok and must admit that Bangkok mongering is very easy even for the newbie. I feel disappointed because I won't have the opportunity to C. P. Mongering scenes regarding KTV and Sauna. I think the C. P. Adult entertainments will be shut down for a long time or even never reopen again.
Have you contacted ISO 9000? You can PM him here, or email him directly (I have his email addy if you can't find it).Yes I sent him a email and waiting for replay, maybe he give me some encouraging news.
Jacher
Blacklisted
03-09-14, 12:31
All this news is very troubling indeed, but for the most part, I'm worried about BSD! Did no one think to offer condolences to Dave? The guy must be hurting as one of the 3/5'th to be facing unemployment. Dave, bro, are you alright man? What's the plan here dude?
When we first time came to China we stayed in Guangzhou and back there we don't know anything about this forum and we found only footie. Second time we found club Tang (now he don't exist anymore) and then start our adventure with p4p in China. But real fun began when we discover this forum and thanks to that we start coming to CP. Of course you can find fun in Guangzhou but in CP is much easier. But in those days after crackdown and if you more in clubs and haunting for prey maybe Guangzhou will be better option, we still waiting and make our decision about which city w choose for our fun base a week before arrival. But definietly I will post report from battle ground.
JacherThanks, will definitely look for an update!
I'm a bit disappointed as this was to be my first trip to DG / CP after hearing so much about it. I was in Shenzhen before and thought the scene there was lacking (although I didn't have a crew to go KTV with). Been in Beijing and Shanghai before back in the day, and it was so-so (though my first FFM was in Shanghai, LOL. I speak Chinese and when I went in I pretended not to speak, so the two girls were just gossiping among themselves, very interesting to be a fly on the wall!)
Part of this now is whether I should bother to get my visa to China, or save the couple hundred and put it towards fun in HK / Macau.
Fast Eddie 48
03-11-14, 18:58
Luke,
How about more detailed info about recommendations and your experience in China? These broad generalizations are already known by us experienced China brothers. In fact, we can read about them in the newspapers and other sites without the paraphrasing. If you have specific anecdotes to share regarding CP and SZ, I would love to hear them.
LAMonkeyTo LA.
This Luke guy is from Fantasy island too much time in his hand to post all this fake post all over China, Thailand and The Phillippines he can fool the naive Newbie member like John Smart who don't know any better with all his Inaccurate post but not the Senior member know he is full of shit, I hope Jackson will ban this guy for good and sent him back to his cave.
Fast Eddie 48
What are the recommended places to stay while in DG / CP / CA / Guangzhou?
It all looks pretty spread out on the map.
I know things are still on crackdown, but hoping in a month things will have revived a bit- if they have, where should one stay?
StinkyFeet
03-14-14, 14:26
What are the recommended places to stay while in DG / CP / CA / Guangzhou?
It all looks pretty spread out on the map.
I know things are still on crackdown, but hoping in a month things will have revived a bit- if they have, where should one stay?Depends on your budget really. Good $$$ places would be pullman hotel, royal lagoon. Good $ places would 7 days inn and the horse logo inn. The inns have no amenities but the room is comfy and clean.
Current situation in houjie is. Most massage places are opened. Not sure for happy endings. KTV's are open, if their are girls, they are (suppose to be) forbidden to do anything with the customer other than drinking and dancing.
SE Asia Joe
03-14-14, 19:08
Afraid I really don't have much encouraging news to relay about our favorite Hamlet.
Soon as I arrived in town, I saw a gal get her bag snatched by a bicyclist right outside Hui Mei hotel in broad daylight, but I wasn't going to let that spoil my mood and right away called one of my "friends" to come over. Had a pretty good time, but it was tempered by the fact that she's just about to give up and leave Chang Ping for good in the near future. And this seems to be the recurring theme that I get confronted with the whole evening. Various people all just about ready to pack it all in and never coming back.
Met up with a LCC clothing sales girls and a couple ex-YiHao KTV girls. One a model and the other just a regular. For dinner at 6000 and the place was only a third full. And this is on a Friday Night at 7:30 when previously one would most likely need to wait for a table; but there you have it. Only a third full.
The model and the clothing sales girl are leaving Sunday for ZhongShan to work in a factory. What? A Factory? Seriously? Yeah seriously! The model figures that with housing and food provided, she'll be able to make upwards of RMB 3,000 take home and even though she'll need to work at hard labour, she figures this is probably better than just sitting around in Chang Ping with no customers and nothing to do. Plus the fact that she won't need to sell her body anymore, and of course NOT have to worry about being thrown in jail if caught doing so! And oh, the drinking part, which she hates but was forced to do so previously night after night.
Off to 85 for coffee and again, unlike even just a couple weeks ago when it was still all packed, tonight it was so easy to get a table as the place was not busy at all. Bumped into another couple old friends, a YiHao Footsy girl and a real estate agent and the both look like fish out of water. Footsy girl tells me that she's everyday just sitting around in her hotel provided dormitory. Grateful that she still has a roof over her head and company provided meals to eat; but plenty worried as she worries about how long this will last as she's been doing precisely this = nothing = for the past month! And look at what happened to the girls from HTML . Who actually got thrown out and kept out by guards and were not even paid what they were owed in salaries etc.
Real Estate agent hadn't had any business at all for God knows how long (period prior to CNY was also bad for realtors) and about ready to go off to somewhere else, anywhere else, to find work.
And the streets? I feel that there's way less people walking about tonight. A couple weeks ago, there were still lots of people out and about. Girls chattering away, seemingly enjoying themselves with their bit of free time, couples strolling etc. In contrast, tonight I saw so much fewer people and those out there are I perceive mostly just real locals going about their business. Very few girls, pimps, horny mongers etc which were still quite abundant even just a couple weeks ago. And oh yeah, the beggars are back!
The prevailing mood here seems to be that of abject / dejected resignation. Unlike even just a couple weeks ago when I felt that many were still quite confident that things will turn around, tonight I feel that more and more here now realizes that the good times are NOT going to return to Chang Ping.
Sorry state of affairs in our old adult Disneyland.
Tally Ho!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
03-17-14, 13:40
It really all boils down to who you trust and how much risk you are ready to take on.
I was with a BBS gal and was just enjoying myself when a her telephone rang. And it was her mommy. I naturally asked her if she's still taking bookings from mommies and if she wasn't worried about going to hotel rooms to do it. This pretty little thing then told me that her mommy assured her that room checks are now NOT being carried out any longer. I asked her how can she be so sure and if there had been an actual announcement that such checks will no longer be carried out, and of course the question stumped her. I guess she just chose to believe this as her immediate cash needs over rides any concerns.
The new Miraton Hotel construction is still going full blast whilst the Apartments across the YiHao has stopped; All sorts of shops are being fitted out now whilst others are now being shuttered; girls and mongers are still coming back to Chang Ping whilst others got disillusioned and are leaving. Each party have their own reasons for doing so and I would suggest that you also make up your own mind. They say that the greater the risk, the greater the reward. But is the reward so tantalizing? Lets face it, the way things are right now in Chang Ping, I'd think that other places should give you higher rewards coupled with a lot less risk. And in weighing your options, I'd also suggest that you need to examine the real motives of those who continue to promote the idea of coming over right now.
And OH, on a slightly more optimistic note, NOT true that the PZL gals not allowed to go beyond hands and feet; shoulder and thigh massage is still part of the package and according to my techinician, has been OK to do all along since they re-opened. The only thing not allowed now is the provision of shorts for customers to change into and to have one's thighs across any part of her body whilst she's massaging you. Woo Hoo! LOL.
SEAJ
John Traveller
03-17-14, 22:29
I have rtff, but I still wonder what do you guys think about the situation a bit further ahead. I was planning a first time trip to Changping, Dongguan and Danshui, Huizhou and possible other places in South China for September. Should I call it off? I am seasoned mongerer in other Asian countries, but in China I have only been a regular tourist before. I am adventurous to try some new places, that's all.
Tratnguyen1
03-18-14, 08:34
I have rtff, but I still wonder what do you guys think about the situation a bit further ahead. I was planning a first time trip to Changping, Dongguan and Danshui, Huizhou and possible other places in South China for September. Should I call it off? I am seasoned mongerer in other Asian countries, but in China I have only been a regular tourist before. I am adventurous to try some new places, that's all.Gents,
I had plan to visit Changping in May 2014. However, I must call it off due to the big crack down in this situation. I have never been visited to China. My only hope is the adult entertainment will come back alive in Changping by the end of this year.
To Tratnguyen1 and John Traveller:
You two can try Macau and Hong Kong as a backup plan. It's legal in Macau and HK and both places have their pros and cons.
In my opinion, I don't see this crackdown ending anytime soon. Heard it might take a few months like in late May, but nobody is 100% sure unless you know some people higher up. Do you have a crystal ball for telling the future ? The gov't can't say the crackdown is officially over. The News media will have another field day if that happens.
Remember prostitution is still against the law in China. Guys going to Canton Fair in March and looking for action, I would say very,very, hard to find.
Tratnguyen1
03-20-14, 04:09
To Tratnguyen1 and John Traveller:
You two can try Macau and Hong Kong as a backup plan. It's legal in Macau and HK and both places have their pros and cons.
In my opinion, I don't see this crackdown ending anytime soon. Heard it might take a few months like in late May, but nobody is 100% sure unless you know some people higher up. Do you have a crystal ball for telling the future? The gov't can't say the crackdown is officially over. The News media will have another field day if that happens.
Remember prostitution is still against the law in China. Guys going to Canton Fair in March and looking for action, I would say very, very, hard to find.Thank you for your invitations / opinion back up plan. I personally prefer to make a maiden trip to mainland China rather than to visit Macau and or HK. Just too much Westernized cities. That is my own opinion and nothing against Macau & HK. I can always go to Bangkok as a seasoned visitor in that city and feel totally comfy with the entertainments atmosphere.
Somebody can confirm that this crackdown will take 3 months? We have plans to arrive to CP in March 21 and we already book Clipper Hotel via BSD but if this true we can still shift our presence to.
Guanghzou. I know it's not be the same but I will have almost 20 guys with me and some of them are newbies so I don't want for them memories from crackdown.
JacherGood luck guys.
Waiting for your report from battle ground!
Cheers.
AF
OldAsiaHand
03-22-14, 02:22
I met a CP factory owner that told me that places were starting to open up already. Any truth to this?
On the other hand, I was told that many of the girls are taking mongers back to their places rather than risk it in a hotel.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
03-22-14, 06:29
I met a CP factory owner that told me that places were starting to open up already. Any truth to this?
On the other hand, I was told that many of the girls are taking mongers back to their places rather than risk it in a hotel.
OAHIMHO these are very very early days.
Yes, KTV's are opening, most with no girls or even Dj's provided; some, mostly out of Chang Ping proper, doing so very very discretely and surreptitiously, and most of them then closing again. Whether because there is just not enough business or that it just got too hot to stay open.
Veggie KTV's and bars like 18 and Cali red are open. With the GA continually checking ID's and what not.
Footsies open but limited to just that, with all body to body contacts strictly verboten. And of course regular checks in-room or through the doors which must now be 70% see-through.
Bbs mommies are quite actively promoting home deliveries. But you are constantly wary knowing that there is an actual RMB 3-4k bounty for those reporting improprieties. And you're of course worried that you're going to be victim of the fake GA gangs sprouting like wild flowers these days. And that is if you don't actually get caught in your hotel room which genuine GA still doing sporadically.
And of course forget about saunas!
Yeah. Open, but you may as well be in Disneyland! That's what I felt a few days ago when there. A sickly shadow of its former glory days.
Just my POV. (purloining your favorite expression! LOL)
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
03-22-14, 12:20
I met a CP factory owner that told me that places were starting to open up already. Any truth to this?
On the other hand, I was told that many of the girls are taking mongers back to their places rather than risk it in a hotel.
OAHGirls would rather go to an apartmen. During crackdow. Not sure about now. Houjie. Still dry
Yeah, too dangerous IMHO. If you're not already in China, speak Chinese, or familiar with the scene (ie have contacts) , then it's probably better to stay home or look elsewhere.
LAMonkey
IMHO these are very very early days.
SEAJ
MathewNikhil80
03-23-14, 12:12
Yeah, too dangerous IMHO. If you're not already in China, speak Chinese, or familiar with the scene (ie have contacts) , then it's probably better to stay home or look elsewhere.
LAMonkeyAm coming to China Dongguan for the first time.
Is it safe to call an escort to my hotel room.
Worldguy72
03-23-14, 22:15
Am coming to China Dongguan for the first time.
Is it safe to call an escort to my hotel room.NO, it's illegal to have sex with a hooker in China. The police will bash down the doors of your hotel room and have you arrested naked along with your partner and you go in jail for 15 days! Unless you like eating food cooked with sewage oil for 15 days go for it. There is a 3000 RMB bounty for hotel managers or other service workers to report such activities now so you never know who rat you out so you'll be sitting in the can trying to think WTF happened!
WG
Given all the crackdown activity, is BSD still around? I contacted him a week or two ago via PM and no response. Do any senior members have another way to reach him?
MathewNikhil80
03-24-14, 20:27
NO, it's illegal to have sex with a hooker in China. The police will bash down the doors of your hotel room and have you arrested naked along with your partner and you go in jail for 15 days! Unless you like eating food cooked with sewage oil for 15 days go for it. There is a 3000 RMB bounty for hotel managers or other service workers to report such activities now so you never know who rat you out so you'll be sitting in the can trying to think WTF happened!
WGOMG!
Seniors give me some way to hook up in Dongguan.
This is my first visit to China and What will happen to monger like me to stay alone for 5 nights.
I can't really imagine that.
Atleast are there any massage / saunas working.
I think incall will be more risky.
Or can I stroll in the streets for a FFF.
Thanks in advance.
Fast Eddie 48
03-24-14, 23:51
NO, it's illegal to have sex with a hooker in China. The police will bash down the doors of your hotel room and have you arrested naked along with your partner and you go in jail for 15 days! Unless you like eating food cooked with sewage oil for 15 days go for it. There is a 3000 RMB bounty for hotel managers or other service workers to report such activities now so you never know who rat you out so you'll be sitting in the can trying to think WTF happened!
WGTo WG.
I heard the reward is as much as 5000 rmb big bill board with the reporting phone number everywhere, one mamasan told me one of her girl arrive at a hotel in CP 15 min later police knock on the door and the hotel Manager open it with the master key they are also cracking down on Gambling in hotel 8 people taking to police station playing Ma Joh for money in the hotel room so it is easy money for a bell boy or a maid in the hotel so lay low for now.
Fast Eddie 48
Jimmy Boy 99
03-25-14, 01:37
OMG!
Seniors give me some way to hook up in Dongguan.
This is my first visit to China and What will happen to monger like me to stay alone for 5 nights.
I can't really imagine that.
Atleast are there any massage / saunas working.
I think incall will be more risky.
Or can I stroll in the streets for a FFF.
Thanks in advance.Unless you have to be in Dongguan, go to Hong Kong or Macau. Even Zhuhai will be better.
Unless you have to be in Dongguan, go to Hong Kong or Macau. Even Zhuhai will be better.Absolutely right, and remember. Prostitution in HK is LEGAL!
MathewNikhil80
03-25-14, 18:40
Absolutely right, and remember. Prostitution in HK is LEGAL!Thank you Seniors.
I'll sure have a try in HK.
Soon I'll update my FR in HK.
Fast Eddie 48
03-25-14, 21:57
Given all the crackdown activity, is BSD still around? I contacted him a week or two ago via PM and no response. Do any senior members have another way to reach him?To Dirk67.
I am sure BSD is laying low like everyone else newbie like you should do the same thing not to go out and look for trouble, if no one get back to you should know better.
Fast Eddie 48
NO, it's illegal to have sex with a hooker in China. The police will bash down the doors of your hotel room and have you arrested naked along with your partner and you go in jail for 15 days! Unless you like eating food cooked with sewage oil for 15 days go for it. There is a 3000 RMB bounty for hotel managers or other service workers to report such activities now so you never know who rat you out so you'll be sitting in the can trying to think WTF happened!
WGIt is not always true. I just came back from CP after staying 6 nights there, I got different girls to sleep with me in the Hotel for a few nights. The next morning, we took breakfast together in the Hotel, nothing happened. I also saw many other men happily enjoyed breakfast with KTV girls in the Hotel. The atmosphere seems safe and calm. There was not a single sign of police raiding / checking the hotel room.
CP now has all KTVs closed, there is no place to go for fun, no point to visit CP now.
SE Asia Joe
03-26-14, 12:09
I think why a lot of people are still hopeful is the fact that in the past, Chang Ping and Dongguan had survived . Unlike other sex centers in China which had basically withered and died after clean-ups. Through the years, Chang Ping had experienced many a yanda, but things had always came roaring back strongly, even surpassing the excesses prior to it.
Unfortunately, IMHO the present yanda is totally different in that it is not just some cosmetic action undertaken by the operators in total cahoots with their protective umbrellas. This time around it is carried out by the very top of the leadership structure who just got fed up with the totally transparent "shows" put on previous yandas.
China's leaders are not dumb and it's a matter of enough is enough.
Just my POV.
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
03-26-14, 14:37
CP now has all KTVs closed, there is no place to go for fun, no point to visit CP now.You just contradicted yourself. If all those HK guys were with KTV girls, and you said KTV's are closed. Can you elaborate on this? I heard of several places in DG that now have girls, will try soon depending if I ever get tired of the 18 yo sugarbaby.
Worldguy72
03-27-14, 09:29
It is not always true. I just came back from CP after staying 6 nights there, I got different girls to sleep with me in the Hotel for a few nights. The next morning, we took breakfast together in the Hotel, nothing happened. I also saw many other men happily enjoyed breakfast with KTV girls in the Hotel. The atmosphere seems safe and calm. There was not a single sign of police raiding / checking the hotel room.Your meaning of "It is not always true" means if you do not get caught. Sure it's not always true you go to jail if you murder someone in your country but only if you get caught. I am just stating the facts and the result of doing something illegal. Search my post of What are the chances to have your hotel room raided during a crackdown, I think I posted that a year ago for the last crackdown. Cheers.
WG
You just contradicted yourself. If all those HK guys were with KTV girls, and you said KTV's are closed. Can you elaborate on this? I heard of several places in DG that now have girls, will try soon depending if I ever get tired of the 18 yo sugarbaby.Sorry, I meant "ex-KTV girls" instead of "KTV girls".
Lanternrouge
03-28-14, 12:00
I was in Guangzhou from March 25 to 27. I called up 2 of my regular mommies, none would answer their mobile phone. I sent them sms, both did not reply. I sent the a message on wechat, none replied.
If the locals are laying low, it will be wise to avoid CP. The risk is much higher for foreigners. I did not go to CP anymore and flew back home a day early.
SE Asia Joe
03-30-14, 11:50
Well, I must say! A couple or so weeks hath brought about a few more changes!
Now I see lots more mongers out and about with their belles of the night, mommies quite openly waylaying passer-by's, mommies making deliveries at restaurants. 85 etc. And just a more upbeat buzz around Chang Ping!
And now, apparently the split has switched in favor of the girls instead of the mommy; it was 40-60 just a few weeks back, it's now 60-40. Back then, there were not that many mommies / agents who dared to outwardly solicit / get customers but now more are doing it and I guess there's a girls shortage brewing! LOL.
And prices. Christ prices! It's truly all over the place and worse, since most girls now only put on minimal make-up, there's really no way of knowing if a girl is a BBS or a KTV gal! Ouch!
A friend had to pay 700 for a supposed KTV gal whilst another friend had actually done the same girl at the 250 BBS price previously. Go figure. LOL!
Nowhere near normal, but hey! A glimmer of hope!
SEAJ
To Dirk67.
I am sure BSD is laying low like everyone else newbie like you should do the same thing not to go out and look for trouble, if no one get back to you should know better.
Fast Eddie 48Yes, I am taking the advice of senior members, and have decided to stay in HK / Macau. It will hurt my bank account a little more, but better safe than sorry. Hopefully things will get better later this year and I can plan a trip to DG. Thanks!
First of all this is not an April Fool's joke.
I've gotten many info from this forum so I give back whenever I can.
Red alert again in some Guangdong cities from now till end of April.
One last good sweep by authorities and journalists.
Please do not ask me for furthur details unless for those who are committed to join me for cheonging together.
There're certain details not suitable to post in public. Eg. Hot dates and places.
Want to believe or not up to individual.
Any changes will update as soon as possible.
I Luv DrtyGrlz
04-02-14, 13:43
I'm actually in Dongguan right now, for the next couple of weeks. I've seen plenty of providers back in the states, but I've never done anything while out of the country. I was hoping to have some "fun" while I am here, but I have no clue where to start. Especially with what I've read has happened in the last couple months here. I'm flying solo, so the KTV thing doesn't seem to make sense. And what I would really like is to have someone to my room for an overnight. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
ILDG
SE Asia Joe
04-04-14, 07:07
Fast Eddie 48
04-05-14, 23:24
To SEAJ.
One more reason for the Crack down is clean up the Coruption in Guangzhou the central government want to crack down on the corrupt official and police, they are warn if they don't do their job they will be replace so only time will tell if 6 month from now they will allow the KTV to reopen and let them do business as usual knowing they can lose their job.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
04-06-14, 18:25
If I may!
Last week a friend in our group was waxing lyrical about a gal he did at KTV rates and shared pictures of her with us, and we found out that another in our group had done her a couple days prior at bbs rates!
The point is that there are now agents, WeChat girls / mommies, and various other sharks operating in Chang Ping just gouging as many desperate and hapless mongers as they can. And I'd think that those who do not have their own existing sources who are at least half-way trustworthy, can expect to be gouged.
Too many desperate and greedy people here!
SEAJ
Hmm question: I monger in Guangzhou now and then when I visit, but I'll stay clear of working girls this time (thanks for the warnings, Chinese prison wouldn't be my idea of fun). However I do have a girl I hook up with there from time to time who isn't a prostitute. We always go to whatever hotel I'm at; would that still be safe? She's a solid 7-8 and dressed up would look like a KTV / bbs girl, while I'm white. 32 (8 years her senior). How would anyone after the 5000rmb reward, or the police, be able to tell the difference between a paid versus a non-paid hookup?
And on a theoretical note, what's to stop any escort from doing outcalls and claiming to be a girlfriend / mistress? I could see that bbs / KTV / massage parlour is incriminatory but people do hookup outside of outright prostitution.
SE Asia Joe
04-07-14, 03:30
Hmm question: I monger in Guangzhou now and then when I visit, but I'll stay clear of working girls this time (thanks for the warnings, Chinese prison wo. And a paid versus a non-paid hookup?
And on a theoretical note, what's to stop any escort from doing outcalls and claiming to be a girlfriend / mistress? I could see that bbs / KTV / massage parlour is incriminatory but people do hookup outside of outright prostitution.IMHO, there really is not much you can do if the authorities decides to do whatever they want to do in China; and in your particular situation, the Chinese written laws are indeed being applied properly.
Having said that though, you can lessen the probability of getting into trouble by knowing each other's details. Name, residence, date of birth, place of origin, date of arrivals into China etc. Details which can be checked off against your official documents. Other details would of course also help.
If you want to be 100% sure, then I'd suggest you individually check in to separate and hopefully adjoining rooms. Problem solved, hopefully, for as I said previously, the law can be applied whichever way in China. LOL.
SEAJ
Ahh, I didn't know that was written law. LOL. Thanks man.
Will have to sneak into her place. Or rent a short term apartment and be discreet. The cockblocking government and its fear tactics shall not win.
It'll be easier on all of our wallets anyway, call it a blessing in disguise.
IMHO, there really is not much you can do if the authorities decides to do whatever they want to do in China; and in your particular situation, the Chinese written laws are indeed being applied properly.
Having said that though, you can lessen the probability of getting into trouble by knowing each other's details. Name, residence, date of birth, place of origin, date of arrivals into China etc. Details which can be checked off against your official documents. Other details would of course also help.
If you want to be 100% sure, then I'd suggest you individually check in to separate and hopefully adjoining rooms. Problem solved, hopefully, for as I said previously, the law can be applied whichever way in China. LOL.
SEAJI think it depends on Venice2's luck. Normally the police would not just raid the 5 star hotel room. However, if they did and found a foreigner with a pretty Chinese girl sleeping in the room, then its upto the police's own discretion whether they choose to believe your story or they do what they think they want to do by detaining you for a few days as you have no way to seek help at that moment.
I think it depends on Venice2's luck. Normally the police would not just raid the 5 star hotel room. However, if they did and found a foreigner with a pretty Chinese girl sleeping in the room, then its upto the police's own discretion whether they choose to believe your story or they do what they think they want to do by detaining you for a few days as you have no way to seek help at that moment.And do not forget the licentious behaviour provisions of the criminal law or the prohibition in the marriage law about sex with someone other than one's own spouse. If the police want to stick a charge on you it does not necessarily mean charges in relation to prostitution.
Having said the above they could charge half the married people in China and most of the single adults.
Teltel
SE Asia Joe
04-08-14, 20:12
Since I don't have much more to report on the "action side" may as well post this reminder / advise that if any of you are going to take the Sky Pier / Cross boundary ferry services directly to Hong Kong Airport to board your onward flight. From Dongguan Humen, Guangzhou Nansha, Macao (Maritime Ferry Terminal and Taipa) , Shenzhen Fuyong and Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai Jiuzhou. Please know that you are NOT going to be allowed to exit the airport and will be required to board your plane directly.
If for any reason you need to go outside of the airport transit lounge, you must use other means to go to the airport for your flight.
Also, if you use this service, you are entitled to a refund of your HK$120 Air Passenger Departure tax which is already pre-charged to the cost of your ticket. Please make sure that you receive a refund coupon from the check in counter at the cross boundary Ferry Pier where you board and then collect your cash at the Refund Counter at the Hong Kong airport Sky Pier Refund counter.
I've had friends who got into a pickle using the Sky Pier facility and thought this reminder may be of benefit to some here.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
04-08-14, 22:56
Hmm question: I monger in Guangzhou now and then when I visit, but I'll stay clear of working girls this time (thanks for the warnings, Chinese prison wouldn't be my idea of fun). However I do have a girl I hook up with there from time to time who isn't a prostitute. We always go to whatever hotel I'm at; would that still be safe? She's a solid 7-8 and dressed up would look like a KTV / bbs girl, while I'm white. 32 (8 years her senior). How would anyone after the 5000rmb reward, or the police, be able to tell the difference between a paid versus a non-paid hookup?
And on a theoretical note, what's to stop any escort from doing outcalls and claiming to be a girlfriend / mistress? I could see that bbs / KTV / massage parlour is incriminatory but people do hookup outside of outright prostitution.To Venice
Don't be so Naive you are in China the police can charge you and arrest you if they think you break the law, if they find you are qulity you can ask your own country embassy for help, for a hotel bell boy 5000 rmb is good fast money they only made about 3000 rmb a month.
Fast Eddie 48
Also, if you use this service, you are entitled to a refund of your HK$120 Air Passenger Departure tax which is already pre-charged to the cost of your ticket. Please make sure that you receive a refund coupon from the check in counter at the cross boundary Ferry Pier where you board and then collect your cash at the Refund Counter at the Hong Kong airport Sky Pier Refund counter.Wow, this I didn't know!
Mmlouie
SE Asia Joe
04-09-14, 05:17
Wow, this I didn't know!
MmlouieAnd I can imagine that there would be some racket or another going on to take advantage of this totally impractical bureaucratic procedure; especially since a lot depends on what the usually passenger whilst still in China needs to do. LOL.
It's $120 a pop!
Just imagine!
SEAJ
Since I don't have much more to report on the "action side" may as well post this reminder / advise that if any of you are going to take the Sky Pier / Cross boundary ferry services directly to Hong Kong Airport to board your onward flight. From Dongguan Humen, Guangzhou Nansha, Macao (Maritime Ferry Terminal and Taipa) , Shenzhen Fuyong and Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai Jiuzhou. Please know that you are NOT going to be allowed to exit the airport and will be required to board your plane directly.
If for any reason you need to go outside of the airport transit lounge, you must use other means to go to the airport for your flight.
Also, if you use this service, you are entitled to a refund of your HK$120 Air Passenger Departure tax which is already pre-charged to the cost of your ticket. Please make sure that you receive a refund coupon from the check in counter at the cross boundary Ferry Pier where you board and then collect your cash at the Refund Counter at the Hong Kong airport Sky Pier Refund counter.
I've had friends who got into a pickle using the Sky Pier facility and thought this reminder may be of benefit to some here.
SEAJThought I was being smart when I left one of my large bags in bag storage in the HK airport so I would not have to lug it around to multiple hotels in the CP / CA / Guangzhou / ZH / Macau area. Took ferry back from Macau and found that "you can't get there from here"! Had to leave bag and have a friend pick it up and hopefully it will be waiting for me when I head up north. Mrclen
SteelBaton
04-11-14, 06:49
To Venice
Don't be so Naive you are in China the police can charge you and arrest you if they think you break the law, if they find you are qulity you can ask your own country embassy for help, for a hotel bell boy 5000 rmb is good fast money they only made about 3000 rmb a month.
Fast Eddie 48I've heard the rumors, but does anyone have any firsthand knowledge of this? Have they seen postings offering these rewards and have any rewards been paid? Or is this just typical urban legend fear mongering?
SteelBaton
04-11-14, 07:43
Quick report: through a pre-raids agent I arranged to meet an ex-sauna girl in a CP hotel on a Tuesday afternoon. The hotel is a well-known large hotel with a well-known sauna (now of course closed). I checked in as a business guy around noon for one night. A few hours later the girl came to the hotel and up to my room. All fun and good. She left, I checked out half an hour later.
Damage: 900 + 500 for room. NB: girl says she had to give the agent 300.
RISK: I didn't really think there was any risk. Certainly no police were loitering around the hotel and the hotel was VERY, VERY happy to have a customer.
(I did take some precautions: I arranged this using WeChat and was circumspect with what I said. Eg. I did NOT say "Mr Chin, I want you to get me a hot girl for rmb 1000 who does CIM, bondage and full sex and who I can meet on 30 April at the Eurasia Hotel at 5:00 pm". Also, when it came time to communicate the exact hotel and later the exact room number I sent a photo rather that just type it in. I assume that WeChat can be and is actively monitored by the authorities. My fig leaf of security was that I figured that the authorities system would be some type of automated text reader and a photo wouldn't be as easily read.)
Maybe I am being foolish, but I just didn't think it was a risky move. I suppose if I knew there were dozens of employee spies looking to report something to the police in hopes of getting a big reward AND the police were excited about rushing down to knock down the door of a 5* (CP standards) hotel in hopes of catching some dude with his pants down THEN maybe I should have been more scared. Any comments on how likely both of those things are?
Obviously the employee spies would be a very bad thing. (That's why I asked the question in the previous post.) But wouldn't an employee likely be fired if he ratted on a guest at the hotel? Seems the hotel has a powerful interest in not being marked as a place of such problems with the police. If I were the manager, I make it clear that if one suspects there's a working girl in the house the staff is to report it to the boss, not the police. (yes, I know that maybe the amount of the reward is a few months pay, but the loss of a job is much worse) Also the employee would know that damaging the hotel's reputation with the police would likely hurt business and hurt not only his job but all of his friends.
As for the police, again I am not sure that this is something that they are excited to act on. If so, wouldn't we have heard of dozens of hotels experiencing random raids. Cause you got to believe there a lot of romantic affairs that are not P4P that are happening in many hotels around any city on any given day. So again, I ask do we see any evidence of this?
I don't speak Chinese, don't have many local contacts, and don't live in Dongguan so I don't really know. But I do know that people tend to spread rumours and repeat myths to one another because we all like exciting stories of danger. That doesn't mean that the risks are that real or that the fears are warranted.
So, can anyone offer any facts? It has been two months, how many people have been busted? How many hotel doors knocked down? Any real reports?
SE Asia Joe
04-11-14, 12:37
I've heard the rumors, but does anyone have any firsthand knowledge of this? Have they seen postings offering these rewards and have any rewards been paid? Or is this just typical urban legend fear mongering?The offer of rewards has been reported in newspapers as being advised by the police.
I can recall, years ago, that my neighbourhood in Beijing had denunciation boxes on the walls of buildings and these were used as late as 12 years ago.
As for arrests in hotel rooms, these have been reported not just in this crackdown but in previous crackdowns complete with pictures.
Of course it all depends on the risk one wishes to take and I would not be one to give odds for or against. Having said that I often stay in hotel rooms in Beijing with a lady friend.
On another forum someone said he would face the police down as they could not prove prostitution but they do not have to, under Chinese criminal law licentious behaviour is a crime and if you are married or she is married (but not to each other) then the Marriage law has a prohibition against married people cohabitating with someone other than their spouse. I guess if they enforced that last one then a lot of Chinese would be charged.
If you read the Chinese newpapers online you will be able to find these things out.
Teltel
CP will no longer be the same as before, this is the latest news said by the mayor of CP as the action of prostitution demolition will not be stop but an on going activity from FEB 2014 onwards. This is the latest news in Chinese below.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/video/2014-04/10/c_126376972.htmAllow me to correct it's the mayor of Dongguan City, Yuan Bao Cheng not Changping mayor.
His deputy mayor and police chief Yan Xiao Kang is sacked in Feb 2014.
Was having a conversation with a China friend about this news yesterday.
We've come to a partial conclusion up to this phase so far.
Personal opinion only so take it with a pinch of salt.
What will happen is when the official 3 months crackdown is over.
99% of cheongsters will believe (self denial) that Dongguan will be back to business as usual and start to flock to this mecca again.
For sure Hotel owned KTVs will slowly resume business.
No KTV operator will dare to resume flower street style at least during 2014.
Dongguan Sauna re-opening can forget about it.
Haha you can KIV (keep in view) until end 2014 then discuss again.
AUTHORITIES ARE IN THE OPEN, YOU ARE IN THE DARK
My point is it'll become more dangerous then it is now.
Why is it so?
Right now there're not so many avenues to monger in Dongguan.
Only exception is you get busted in hotel room with a prostitute if you're unlucky or get reported by "bounty hunters".
YOU ARE IN THE OPEN, AUTHORITIES ARE IN THE DARK
However when KTVs are back in business, reporters may go undercover again and report prostitution activities.
Authorities will act and bust you plus go on a media propaganda campaign to show they're serious.
Typical communist media propaganda tactics, just look at ex-commie Putin with Crimea's annexation.
The fact is Dongguan government officials and authorities do not want to lose their fragile posts.
CONCLUSION: DONGGUAN WILL BE A POLICE STATE FROM 2014!
Since I don't have much more to report on the "action side" may as well post this reminder / advise that if any of you are going to take the Sky Pier / Cross boundary ferry services directly to Hong Kong Airport to board your onward flight. From Dongguan Humen, Guangzhou Nansha, Macao (Maritime Ferry Terminal and Taipa) , Shenzhen Fuyong and Shekou, Zhongshan, Zhuhai Jiuzhou. Please know that you are NOT going to be allowed to exit the airport and will be required to board your plane directly.
If for any reason you need to go outside of the airport transit lounge, you must use other means to go to the airport for your flight.
Also, if you use this service, you are entitled to a refund of your HK$120 Air Passenger Departure tax which is already pre-charged to the cost of your ticket. Please make sure that you receive a refund coupon from the check in counter at the cross boundary Ferry Pier where you board and then collect your cash at the Refund Counter at the Hong Kong airport Sky Pier Refund counter.
I've had friends who got into a pickle using the Sky Pier facility and thought this reminder may be of benefit to some here.
SEAJI have an emergency trip (business) to Nansha, leaving this weekend for 4 days. Does anyone know the best way to get from HK airport to Nansha, is there a ferry? And, of course a hotel with KTV and some play? Mrclen
SE Asia Joe
04-11-14, 15:55
I have an emergency trip (business) to Nansha, leaving this weekend for 4 days. Does anyone know the best way to get from HK airport to Nansha, is there a ferry? And, of course a hotel with KTV and some play? MrclenYes, Nansha is one of the destinations for the cross boundary ferry services.
Check out the website for the HKIA.
SEAJ
Just got back from China late March. We decided to avoid DG. However, we went to some places in the smaller provinces around DG (where we had family). Some KTVs are back open. However, no girls. Since we had friends that knew the owners, they brought in a few girls. However, all were too scared to leave with us. The highlight of the trip was a HJ in a footy. I can imagine, things are the same in DG. We had a guide that claimed that he could get us into some underground KTVs (they give you the address when you are ready to go). Anyways, we decided against it. We saw too many episodes of "Locked up abroad!" If you haven't booked a trip to China, DON'T. If you have, cancel it. This is not the place to monger now. I decided to go to Thailand the rest of my trip (first time) and had the time of my life!
We saw too many episodes of "Locked up abroad!"Could you say more about that, please.
AF
StinkyFeet
04-12-14, 20:08
Just got back from China late March. We decided to avoid DG. However, we went to some places in the smaller provinces around DG (where we had family). Some KTVs are back open. However, no girls. Since we had friends that knew the owners, they brought in a few girls. However, all were too scared to leave with us. The highlight of the trip was a HJ in a footy. I can imagine, things are the same in DG. We had a guide that claimed that he could get us into some underground KTVs (they give you the address when you are ready to go). Anyways, we decided against it. We saw too many episodes of "Locked up abroad!" If you haven't booked a trip to China, DON'T. If you have, cancel it. This is not the place to monger now. I decided to go to Thailand the rest of my trip (first time) and had the time of my life!I have to concur, I have to rely on my girls that I already know to get any action
Fast Eddie 48
04-12-14, 22:10
[QUOTE=Teltel; 1553496]The offer of rewards has been reported in newspapers as being advised by the police.
I can recall, years ago, that my neighbourhood in Beijing had denunciation boxes on the walls of buildings and these were used as late as 12 years ago.
As for arrests in hotel rooms, these have been reported not just in this crackdown but in previous crackdowns complete with pictures.
Of course it all depends on the risk one wishes to take and I would not be one to give odds for or against. Having said that I often stay in hotel rooms in Beijing with a lady friend.
On another forum someone said he would face the police down as they could not prove prostitution but they do not have to, under Chinese criminal law licentious behaviour is a crime and if you are married or she is married (but not to each other) then the Marriage law has a prohibition against married people cohabitating with someone other than their spouse. I guess if they enforced that last one then a lot of Chinese would be charged.
To Teltel.
I don't think Steel can read Chinese or he just don't RTFF, he don't believe about the Crack down but that is his choice to take a chance, many monger go to China don't think they can get arrested or charged.
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48
04-12-14, 22:23
I have to concur, I have to rely on my girls that I already know to get any actionTo Stinkyfeet.
I have about phone number of about 12 girl that I know in CP most have left CP and gone home and some told me no, they will not go to hotel room afraid of raid so even that you want to take a chance most girl don't.
Fast Eddie 48
To Stinkyfeet.
I have about phone number of about 12 girl that I know in CP most have left CP and gone home and some told me no, they will not go to hotel room afraid of raid so even that you want to take a chance most girl don't.
Fast Eddie 48I cannot agree more! I had the same experience also, ended up very frustrated only!
Karry Yokie
04-14-14, 15:10
The KTV scene, especially with 'flower street' is over (at least for the foreseeable future). So we need to adopt a different approach if we want to continue our desire for Chinese women.
I joined a couple of Chinese / Western dating sites and have had 90% success rate so far.
I have just returned from a 6 week 'business trip' to China that started in Shenzhen, then to Dongguan, Changsha, Chongqing, Nanjing, Shanghai and ChengDu.
In each city I had arranged to meet a woman / girl that I met on these dating sites (each one cost me USD$70 for a 3-month membership with access to everything)
OK, so I had to put a little bit of effort into it for an hour or so each night which involved chatting and 'getting-to-know them' a little.
Most were divorced and the age ranged from 28. 39 (by choice)
90% of them were gagging for it. Really! One woman actually sent me videos while she was fucking herself with a dildo and told me she 'couldn't wait for my arrival'. I
Timed her after entering the hotel room and it took less than 10 seconds before I was inside her!. Probably the best fk I have ever had in my life!
The down side is that you tend to travel alone, but the UP SIDE is that you get free sex.
Only the Nanjing girl was the one who was 'too serious' and I never got her into bed. But all the others could not wait for it. I have been back home for 3 weeks already and it's only the Nanjing girl who still contacts me. I guess all the others are happy to have had some bedroom fun after being divorced for so long?
Maybe I feel a little 'guilty' because they all reckon they are looking for a husband, but at the end of the day, if their idea of 'catching you' is giving you the best sex of
Your life. Who cares?
Marks out of 10.
1) Shenzhen girl. Loved oral (receiving, but would not give a BJ). Sex was a 7 out of 10 and free.
2) Dongguan girl. Came to meet me from Shenzhen. Divorced but lonely. No BJ but was awesome in the sack.
3) Changsha girl. Ugly as sin in real life but cracking body and awesome in bed.
4) Chongqing girl. Maybe a few too many kilos but could not get enough. One day we stayed in bed till 5pm.
5) Nanjing girl. Lovely woman but no fk until married.
6) Shanghai girl. Great in the sack at night but not interested in morning sex.
7) Cheng du girl. Awesome body, awesome sex, loved oral (giving and receiving).
Best part of all of it. Totally free!
Internal flights in China are half the cost of a one-night hooker, so all-in-all I had the best 6 weeks of my life. Although traveled alone
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StinkyFeet
04-14-14, 17:45
To Stinkyfeet.
I have about phone number of about 12 girl that I know in CP most have left CP and gone home and some told me no, they will not go to hotel room afraid of raid so even that you want to take a chance most girl don't.
Fast Eddie 48If you are staying longer than two weeks in one area than can I suggest finding a local apartment and asking the landlord if you can rent it out for a month at higher than nominal rates?
Sorry for delay with this report but I have some urgent trip to Belarus so can't write earlier.
But anyway this is my raport:
We arrive to CP 22 of March, total number of guys 17 + 2 ladies.
Half of our crew has been in CP few times more other half was newbies.
As ussually for transportation, hotels and other things was responsible BSD.
As we like more have fun at clubs the most important for us was that 18 club was opened. So for us this was quite good time but I'm not first time there so I can say honestly its disaster – CP was like ghost town, ok we have fun but we have also bad memories because some guys try to find out some girls for rest guys in hotel and first time it was ok girls came stay few hours do what they supose to do &9786; and get fee (ST 800 RMB) , but second or third night when the girls come 5 minut after them came undercover cop and after that police came and they arrested all girl (only one slip over because was taken by one guy upstairs to the room earlier ).
Thanks to BSD we found some masseuss (400 RMB body massage + 200RMB for Happy Ending)
Summarize it was not such bad trip but only thanks to BSD and that we seeking some hunting in club and we found some (at the end it was possible to get one WG for 1000 RMB for overnight stay – she start from 2500 RMB ). But if you compare what was last year in the same time its disaster.
I hope things will go better and next year when we come at least sauna will be opened.
Regards.
Jacher
Dan Hawaii
04-15-14, 18:27
Awesome report, just because it was real. Glad none of your friends got arrested. But sounds like the poor girls got messed up. That's so bad, because More scary for the girls to even perform now. Undercover cops at many hotels, that's fawked up.
Fast Eddie 48
04-16-14, 20:29
I think CP is too Infamous for its own good back in the US I have over heard at a Chinese restaurant guy are talking about crack down in CP and Guangzhou a few time, even inside my company coworker know about the crack down ask me where to go for fun now in Huizhou and Dongguan, I just tell them go to China take care of business and go to Thailand for the Monkey business China is no longer a fun country.
Fast Eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
04-17-14, 02:31
I have an emergency trip (business) to Nansha, leaving this weekend for 4 days. Does anyone know the best way to get from HK airport to Nansha, is there a ferry? And, of course a hotel with KTV and some play? MrclenMrclen,
You better double check the schedule. The ferries only run on certain days and only once per day. I used to take this route all the time but they cancelled many sailings due to lack of business. One time, there were only 2 of us on the boat.
The KTV at the Nansha Grand Hotel used to be the playing grounds for all the bigwigs from Guangzhou but I am not sure what the current situation is with this crackdown.
Most of the Guangzhou area is still under crackdown. Some places are open but it is very difficult to get any service unless they know you well and are certain there is no risk.
Just my POV.
OAH
One more thing from my trip to CP. As I write earlier our crew like party hard but after party we usually like to go for massage sometime in hotel but we like much Pozolim SPA, but this days it was impossible to get full body massage, only thing was possible that massage in open room with trousers on (shorts was not allowed) so we resign from this.
Another pleasure which was forbiden due to crackdown. I hope this was end soon because I have plans to visit China once more this year.
Regards.
Jacher
You just contradicted yourself. If all those HK guys were with KTV girls, and you said KTV's are closed. Can you elaborate on this? I heard of several places in DG that now have girls, will try soon depending if I ever get tired of the 18 yo sugarbaby.Are these pure Dongguan girls?
StinkyFeet
04-21-14, 01:26
Are these pure Dongguan girls?Probably from Guangdong, hunan, Hubei, or Sichuan
SE Asia Joe
04-21-14, 05:45
SE Asia Joe
04-21-14, 06:54
By the way, if you are still going to try your luck in Chang Ping even in light of how things are right now, you may want to note how to best source out your supplies.
It can mean quite a lot of money as it all depends on how you arrange to meet up with the gal. If through a mommy you previously knew, or even via these newly created "co-operatives" of girls banding together, they will for the most part just charge the previous rate.
If on the other hand it's through some new operators who have now stepped in to fill the gap. Agents, previous sauna and KTV managers / bouncers / kelefe's, etc, then they will extract the maximum they can as they think they've got you by the short hairs. And their "premiums" can be very hefty; all the way from 60% of the total fee (when this all started) to now still approximating 40 or so percent.
Just IMHO.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-22-14, 08:11
Subsequent to my last report on my recent visit to Chang Ping, a poster on another forum has cautioned others that Xing Party is probably a 'Black' shop. He opines that staff there are in cahoots with the GA to extort money from the unsuspecting customers who just happens to be partying there with their Mei Mei's; and that us foreigners make for an easy target for their money-extracting plots.
Unfortunately, I think that more and more "black" activities are going to be happening in CP.
I bumped into a couple Hunan boys who had always been very friendly to me anytime I go to EuroAsia KTV in the past and was just generally chatting with them. They laughed that since they now got no work (as manager / bouncer / drinker) most nights they've been hanging around 18, Cali Red etc getting drunk whilst at the same time opportunistically trying to make some money.
A careless bump, a spilled drink, a bit of raucous behavior. Anything and everything. They would seize upon to cause problems and extract some cash.
God knows what else these broke and desperate people in Chang Ping will get up to.
Just relaying!
SEAJ
Subsequent to my last report on my recent visit to Chang Ping, a poster on another forum has cautioned others that Xing Party is probably a 'Black' shop. [ S N I P ] Just relaying!
SEAJSEAJ.
Fascinating and informative Sitreps. Just a few comments.
I think that "C Lies" is a term used by HKers. Who are they?
Not only are you Hongkongese, but I suspect you secretly wish that HK was still a British colony with comments like "So they ain't all abandoning the good ole HMS CP for good yet!". Haha.
And, Long ha = Longhua?
Cheers
SE Asia Joe
04-23-14, 05:47
They tried that once on me. I told them to F off and let's fight. They backed down after that. CP is dangerous, and don't let anyone tell you any different.
LAMonkey.
manager / bouncer / drinker) most nights they've been hanging around 18, Cali Red etc getting drunk whilst at the same time opportunistically trying to make some money.
A careless bump, a spilled drink, a bit of raucous behavior. Anything and everything. They would seize upon to cause problems and extract some cash.
God knows what else these broke and desperate people in Chang Ping will get up to.
Just relaying!
SEAJ
Hey, I like c lies!
Mmlouie
Trawlerman
04-26-14, 20:04
He he, the current situation in Guangdong has driven the girls elsewhere. We in Chongqing are getting our fair share!
TM
Went to a KTV in Shazui last night call Jinyu. There were about 50-70 girls to choose from. Not sure if they are from CP but quality not bad. Many spinners. My type. Prices are 200. 400. 700. Three hours to sit for 200, if you don't take them out, each additional hr is 100 extra. DJ told me they have 400-700-1500 tall thin model looking on the top floor but I didn't care to go look and sticked with what I picked. Had a fun time eventhough I opt not to take my girl out. If you want ST service, just ask the DJ for the 50rmb room. At least its not completely dead here in SZ. I heard from one of the manager that CP KTV will slowely open by May 17th. So lets see!
ManonsanBoy
04-27-14, 20:14
Quick report: through a pre-raids agent I arranged to meet an ex-sauna girl in a CP hotel on a Tuesday afternoon. The hotel is a well-known large hotel with a well-known sauna (now of course closed). I checked in as a business guy around noon for one night. A few hours later the girl came to the hotel and up to my room. All fun and good. She left, I checked out half an hour later.
So, can anyone offer any facts? It has been two months, how many people have been busted? How many hotel doors knocked down? Any real reports?I also called a ex sauna mummy and got similar deal. She said no one would dare open a sauna in Dongguan for a few years but this may be pessimistic. She has gathered a network and now serves regulars. However, income is only 10% what it was. Her girls only do day calls; nothing after 9 pm.
Thanks Ron. Finally some useful info!
LAMonkey
Went to a KTV in Shazui last night call Jinyu. There were about 50-70 girls to choose from. Not sure if they are from CP but quality not bad. Many spinners. My type. Prices are 200. 400. 700. Three hours to sit for 200, if you don't take them out, each additional hr is 100 extra. DJ told me they have 400-700-1500 tall thin model looking on the top floor but I didn't care to go look and sticked with what I picked. Had a fun time eventhough I opt not to take my girl out. If you want ST service, just ask the DJ for the 50rmb room. At least its not completely dead here in SZ. I heard from one of the manager that CP KTV will slowely open by May 17th. So lets see!
Nice Guy 99
04-28-14, 04:13
He he, the current situation in Guangdong has driven the girls elsewhere. We in Chongqing are getting our fair share!
TMThat is VERY hard to believe. I live part of each year in CQ. Field report in the CQ thread please!
Maverick010
04-30-14, 01:20
Visited CP once in November last year and had a good time. Had a great time. Visited Mayflower and Hue mei (I think that was the name of the place). Anyway planning to go again by end of June early July. Going to be in the area for 5 to 7 days. Interested in lt / GFE. Based on some posts I browsed seems like there was some LE action. Did LE just clamped down on Sauna or was KTX scene also affected.
Can anyone please update on the scene today.
Thanks,
Mav
SteelBaton
05-03-14, 03:30
Maverick, Everything was affected! I was there a week ago. Looking, talking, trying old contacts. It's very dry. All KTV and Saunas closed. No BBSs. If you know a local girl and can contact her you might be able to set something up. Otherwise, Getting any action is very difficult in CP now. There are some rumors that KTVs may open at the end of the month, but without girls available. It will be nothing like what you saw last year. You will have much better luck getting laid in Hong Kong or Macau. Any action in DG will be challenging. If you are determined, then you should work with a local guide like Big Swinging Dave. If anyone can find good safe action it will be him. Good luck.
Visited CP once in November last year and had a good time. Had a great time. Visited Mayflower and Hue mei (I think that was the name of the place). Anyway planning to go again by end of June early July. Going to be in the area for 5 to 7 days. Interested in lt / GFE. Based on some posts I browsed seems like there was some LE action. Did LE just clamped down on Sauna or was KTX scene also affected.
Can anyone please update on the scene today.
Thanks,
Mav
BBS in Shenzhen is alive and well, probably the only thing that has not gone up in price for the past 10 years and many to choose from. I have been going to the Seibu alley every other day since the big crackdown in DG. But remember 4 out of 10 will have lousy service like rushing you, dick too big, dead fish attitude, no BJ etc. But sometimes you do find some hidden gem when you are lucky but just don't expect much for 150rmb.
When you can find the BBS, it's safe to go. But when you can't find any, its probably too risky for them to open or do business. They will know when LE is around checking on them. I was told when the girls get caught, its 5 days in detention or pay 5000rmb to bail out. Sometimes the mommies will split half / half depending on how they want to handle it. It is actually safer to pick the girls inside the apt than off the street because you don't want any LE to see you going up together. I prefer going during the day and less customer sharing the room.
Happy hunting!
I just left CP today after spending a couple of days there.
The Hui Hua is like a ghost town. Even during Canton Fair. Often I was the only one in the lobby. If you think you can make the "walk of shame" these days without being noticed, you can forget it!
That being said, yesterday afternoon I saw a couple of SW hanging out around the lobby elevators. Pretending to be texting. I also saw one on my floor. She was just walking back and forth hoping to make eye contact with someone if they came out of their room.
Not wanting to get caught with my pants down, I passed.
ISG was completely blocked in CP. I tried a number of my paid proxy addresses and they were blocked as well. When they want to, they can be very effective at this!
I see lots of reports about Changping.
Did the clean up affect Chang An as well?
I'm going to have to go there for work multiple times per year starting soon.
ChickenBugg
05-04-14, 02:54
Went to a KTV in Shazui last night call Jinyu. There were about 50-70 girls to choose from. Not sure if they are from CP but quality not bad. Many spinners. My type. Prices are 200. 400. 700. Three hours to sit for 200, if you don't take them out, each additional hr is 100 extra. DJ told me they have 400-700-1500 tall thin model looking on the top floor but I didn't care to go look and sticked with what I picked. Had a fun time eventhough I opt not to take my girl out. If you want ST service, just ask the DJ for the 50rmb room. At least its not completely dead here in SZ. I heard from one of the manager that CP KTV will slowely open by May 17th. So lets see!Hey Ron,
Thanks for the info. Any contacts you can share for this KTV?
Hey Ron,
Thanks for the info. Any contacts you can share for this KTV?I booked the room directly with the DJ wechat. Not sure if its allow here, but my wechat [Deleted by Admin] and I can forward her wechat to you. My friends went there again and looked at the model on the top floor. Girls are better looking, drinks are a little higher in price and KTV rooms are nicer too.
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SE Asia Joe
05-08-14, 05:51
There is unsubstantiated hear-say going around that the authorities may be mounting one last big yanda prior to the end of the 3 months period (May 18) that was the previously announced for the crack-down to have gone on.
This is all just rumours. But you guys may want to take notice and still be taking sensible precautions.
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
05-08-14, 18:49
There is unsubstantiated hear-say going around that the authorities may be mounting one last big yanda prior to the end of the 3 months period (May 18) that was the previously announced for the crack-down to have gone on.
This is all just rumours. But you guys may want to take notice and still be taking sensible precautions.
SEAJSome suppliers informed me that there fav HJ KTV is now stocked with girls. Even sent me some photos. Not bad. 7s and 8s. I might hit a KTV soon. Local pimps that I have seen for over a year are now aggressively chasing me down for business at my fav Chinese fastfood joint. Told me they got a lot of mei nu inside the building. Its been raining in HJ lately so haven't been all that inspired to see them. I haven't checked out saunas but I'm guessing there still closed since the three dozen or so (haha) managers haven't hit me up on my SMS or wechat.
SteelBaton
05-09-14, 00:27
Ron, you should upgrade your account so we can PM. It's small beer and worth the money. When you do PM me dnc we can share some details that otherwise I'm reluctant to post given the LE activity.
I booked the room directly with the DJ wechat. Not sure if its allow here, but my wechat [Deleted by Admin] And I can forward her wechat to you. My friends went there again and looked at the model on the top floor. Girls are better looking, drinks are a little higher in price and KTV rooms are nicer too.
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SteelBaton
05-09-14, 00:34
Thought I'd post a few pics to remind us how nice it used to be in CP. Maybe, maybe, they will come back. But I'm not holding my breath.
There is unsubstantiated hear-say going around that the authorities may be mounting one last big yanda prior to the end of the 3 months period (May 18) that was the previously announced for the crack-down to have gone on.
This is all just rumours. But you guys may want to take notice and still be taking sensible precautions.
SEAJTwo of my freebies are telling me that due to the crackdown, their lo gons' are getting less outside actions and now their lo gons' coming around more often. Instead of seeing them twice a month, they are coming by almost weekly. With this crackdown, I'm glad to kept my freebies. One of them is asking me to see her friend in a similar situation.
I really can not see these guys spending all this $ to have these women kept and see them just two times a month. Giving them cars, condo, $ etc. It is great for me to be able to screw these beautiful (or rather someone else's mistress) for free and these ladies treat me so well with their bodies and the gifts they buy me. Call me a duck, gig or whatever, I'm loving it. .Really I'm no Tom Hanks or Brad Pitt (since I have met some of you ISGers) but a few choice words and understanding these gals needs goes a long way. It does help being an older slightly graying ABC. Just loving China and all it have to offer. Just my two rmb.
Has anyone got lucky recently with any sexy girls? I will be staying at Shanshui Trends Huaqiangbei Shenzhen. Any recommendations?
Two of my freebies are telling me that due to the crackdown, their lo gons' are getting less outside actions and now their lo gons' coming around more often. Instead of seeing them twice a month, they are coming by almost weekly. With this crackdown, I'm glad to kept my freebies. One of them is asking me to see her friend in a similar situation.
I really can not see these guys spending all this $ to have these women kept and see them just two times a month. Giving them cars, condo, $ etc. It is great for me to be able to screw these beautiful (or rather someone else's mistress) for free and these ladies treat me so well with their bodies and the gifts they buy me. Call me a duck, gig or whatever, I'm loving it. .Really I'm no Tom Hanks or Brad Pitt (since I have met some of you ISGers) but a few choice words and understanding these gals needs goes a long way. It does help being an older slightly graying ABC. Just loving China and all it have to offer. Just my two rmb.Maybe these females like you because you do something special or have something special which their Lo gon's can't provide. Looks like these females are not looking for money from you.
Are you using something called the "Venus Butterfly Technique" or some kind of secret ancient Chinese love potion #9 with these ladies?? Maybe you can profit from from your secret. Just a stupid joke and don't take it seriously.
AussieDoug
05-20-14, 11:43
Two of my freebies are telling me that due to the crackdown, their lo gons' are getting less outside actions and now their lo gons' coming around more often. Instead of seeing them twice a month, they are coming by almost weekly. With this crackdown, I'm glad to kept my freebies. One of them is asking me to see her friend in a similar situation.
I really can not see these guys spending all this $ to have these women kept and see them just two times a month. Giving them cars, condo, $ etc. .These girls are virtually employees of their sugar daddy, and in Chinese fashion they will be treated as such, and will get slapped about of they fail to do anthing demanded of them, they will not be asked. So if you are a nice guy and treat them with a little respect you will keep them coming around, they see it a way of getting back at their boss man. Chinese like to have a mistress or two, and brag about it, gives them face and demonstrates he has the money to do it. Keep smiling.
Maybe these females like you because you do something special or have something special which their Lo gon's can't provide. Looks like these females are not looking for money from you.
Are you using something called the "Venus Butterfly Technique" or some kind of secret ancient Chinese love potion #9 with these ladies?? Maybe you can profit from from your secret. Just a stupid joke and don't take it seriously.Weelock,
No offense taken, No Venus Butterfly nor Love Potion #9, just a few choice words and it will go a long ways for you. You must remember that like all gals, they lack affection in such a relationship. When their lo gon just comes around several times a month and stay for a few hours the rest of the month they are lonely. Many fear that if they are caught being unfaithfull they will lose their gig (money, car, apt etc). Me being an older ABC with some graying hair will be off the radar for someone spying on them. I could be an older uncle or relative.
Late last year, during one of my business visits to China, one of these freebie reserve a suite a luxury hotel nearby and literally fu&ked the living daylights out of me for two days after my meeting. To boot, she knows that I am married with a family. She even picked up some nice gifts for me to bring home before I got to the hotel so that I can spend a few more hours with her. Yes these gals are treating me like a king without me paying a friggin dime. Totally a freebie. You just need to understand that some of these "kept" women are really lonely and needs affection. One of them is giving me a referral under the condition that I will give her first priority to her friend.
I do make sure that these ladies that I see that their lo gon is not a member of the Triad, a senior officer of the PLA or a high level government official. I love being an ABC in China.
These girls are virtually employees of their sugar daddy, and in Chinese fashion they will be treated as such, and will get slapped about of they fail to do anthing demanded of them, they will not be asked. So if you are a nice guy and treat them with a little respect you will keep them coming around, they see it a way of getting back at their boss man. Chinese like to have a mistress or two, and brag about it, gives them face and demonstrates he has the money to do it. Keep smiling.I suspect that it would be difficult for a westerner to meet and establish a relationship with a mistress (ernai), and even more difficult with a xiaosan. For a start, where do you meet them? Would they even want to have a relationship with a westerner (the lucky BnLee2 is an ABC)?
I also suspect that these girls have significant power and unlikely to get slapped around. In the past few years, there have been a number of high level officials who have been jailed, and lost their positions, due to aggrieved or wronged ernais exposing their relationships and (corrupt) payments on the internet.
Anyway, please advise how to meet one of the many thousands of ernai in Shenzhen (the ernai capital of China).
Cheers.
These girls are virtually employees of their sugar daddy, and in Chinese fashion they will be treated as such, and will get slapped about of they fail to do anthing demanded of them, they will not be asked. So if you are a nice guy and treat them with a little respect you will keep them coming around, they see it a way of getting back at their boss man. Chinese like to have a mistress or two, and brag about it, gives them face and demonstrates he has the money to do it. Keep smiling.They are not employees of their sugar daddies. They are free to come and go. In most cases, or at least in the ones that I see, their lo gon treats them well, giving them car, cash and nice apartments. These gals are treated very well and know that they will not have a regular relationship (as a traditional wife) with their lo gon.
The problem is that they only get to see their lo gon twice or three times a month at best. These gals are only normal and get horny the other 27 plus days of the month. They have their physical needs and they need a bit of loving. Due to the amount of $ and other things that their lo gon provide, they are not about to go out clubbing and getting exposed. Once exposed, their lo gon loses face and the gals loses everything. Being an older ABC, if I am seen with them walking in public I can pass as an older relative or something of that sort.
Its amazing for me to have the cake and eat it too. The real danger is that in the past, several of these ladies have ask me to get them pregnant so that they can tell their lo gon that it is their, thereby continuing the flow of money to them as they get older. Many of these female fear that it they reach their early or mid thirties their lo gon will see them as undesirable. So having a baby, hopefully a boy will keep the funds rolling in. That could be an added danger in the game for me. Just my two rmb on this.
Happy hunting guys.
OldAsiaHand
05-23-14, 15:17
I do make sure that these ladies that I see that their lo gon is not a member of the Triad, a senior officer of the PLA or a high level government official. I love being an ABC in China.Bnlee2,
First of all, kudos for getting away with your escapades all these years. I still remember the first time we met in Sha Tsui. It must be close to 12-13 years by now.
I often get the same offers from these type of women in China. I never take them up on it. I always think about how cheap life still is here. And, I have seen what can happen if a local guy loses his face. Yes, you can blend in on the street being an ABC but may not be able to hide if one of the girls happens to fess up and spill the beans to her "lo gon" one day.
IMHO, it is better to stick to freebies without attachments or just P4 P. Stay safe, my friend.
Just my POV.
OAH.
Bnlee2,
First of all, kudos for getting away with your escapades all these years. I still remember the first time we met in Sha Tsui. It must be close to 12-13 years by now.
I often get the same offers from these type of women in China. I never take them up on it. I always think about how cheap life still is here. And, I have seen what can happen if a local guy loses his face. Yes, you can blend in on the street being an ABC but may not be able to hide if one of the girls happens to fess up and spill the beans to her "lo gon" one day.
IMHO, it is better to stick to freebies without attachments or just P4 P. Stay safe, my friend.
Just my POV.
OAH.I do remember our meeting 12/13 years ago. Back in the days when Sha Tsui was an open field of pleasure. It is a shadow of what it was before. Thanks for the advice. I have been quite selective on the gals. There has been a few close calls, I am careful of who I deal with. Being an older ABC do have its advantages. It is amazing how some no cost TLC with these kept ladies can provide so much benefits. Again thanks for your advice.
This happened about 3 years, a friend of mine was hailing a cab on the street after dinner, all of the sudden, 4 guys came out of nowhere and attacked him. Kicking him to the curb, then ran off in different direction. People on the street just watched without lending a hand, or even called the police.
He never did find out who was behind it, but suspected it was 1 of his freeby sugar daddies. Try not to leave paper trail so they can track you down, move as often as you can or use different hotel paid by the hours.
Cheers,
Staid.
I do remember our meeting 12/13 years ago. Back in the days when Sha Tsui was an open field of pleasure. It is a shadow of what it was before. Thanks for the advice. I have been quite selective on the gals. There has been a few close calls, I am careful of who I deal with. Being an older ABC do have its advantages. It is amazing how some no cost TLC with these kept ladies can provide so much benefits. Again thanks for your advice.
This happened about 3 years, a friend of mine was hailing a cab on the street after dinner, all of the sudden, 4 guys came out of nowhere and attacked him. Kicking him to the curb, then ran off in different direction. People on the street just watched without lending a hand, or even called the police.
He never did find out who was behind it, but suspected it was 1 of his freeby sugar daddies. Try not to leave paper trail so they can track you down, move as often as you can or use different hotel paid by the hours.
Cheers,
Staid.Thanks guys for your concern. I do take precautions. I do not take any offer that comes along. I usually vett out the ladies to make sure that they are legit. One of them that is approaching 33 even ask me to impregnate her so that she can tell her lo gon that it is his. She is afraid that her lo gon will dump her in a few years. Telling him that it is his kid that she is carrying she could be on the payroll for another ten to twenty years.
To get into one of these ladies is fairly easy. Just some tender loving words. They really lack affection for the other twenty seven days plus in a month. Money can buy many material goods but the tender loving words can go a long ways. Being an older graying ABC does help (just an avg guy not even close to a George Clooney or a Choy Yun Fat). My mandarin is pretty bad but sometimes it can work to my advantage. Thankfully in Southern China my Cantonese is a tad better. Many of you that met and know me that my language skill is not the best but knowing a few right words is all you need.
Being an older graying ABC walking into a bar here I will be lucky to be batting .250 but in China my batting average is probably better than .750. It is nice to be an older graying ABC and blending into the crowd.
For the rest of you guys, lets hope the crackdown ends soon. I hear from colleagues that it is getting boring and everyone is afraid of getting busted. All the best.
P.S. If the ladies lo gon get wise on me, I guess, I will just hired OWL to throw some roundhouse kicks and protect my back and sides. Just kidding.
SE Asia Joe
05-28-14, 06:39
I don't know if it was the very hot weather or what! But Chang Ping really felt totally lifeless; gone are the throngs of girls and mongers walking about and I now mostly just see morose, blank-faced people going about their business. Hotels empty and advertising cheap rooms -Swan Lake RMB 128, Manhattan 178 etc. Or even just closed down like HMTL. Yeah, the one which had opened with so much (too much) fanfare just a few months ago. Serves them right actually – LOL!
I'd say at least a quarter of the shops on SWL road are closed: - most nightspots like Mango (except 18 and California Red), just about all the telephone shops, Hong Kong style café Yuen Long, Legend changed hands for only a rumored RMB 150 K, Jin Hao abandoned and just re-opened but empty. And of course the previously ubiquitous hair and nail shops all deprived of any custom or just abandoned. But the good news is. No traffic jams at all any time of the day or night!! Really a sorry sight, the whole street! The whole of Chang Ping too actually.
Downtown, the new LCC mall, Huaren, 8 mall etc have just about no customers at all – but surprisingly, still a whole bunch of street hawkers outside. And what's odd is that a lot of these street hawkers are quite fetching young lassies, who I of course suspect are ex-WG's trying to still hold on and survive. I really tip my hat to the resourcefulness and determination of the young ladies of China!! And BTW, My friend treated (Thanks!) and I did also have a nice Footsy at the SWL hotel. No restrictions / not much and the girls all quite chatty and of course very flirty!
And girls – yeah, what's left of them! In fact I had gone up as one of my especially nice regulars had at last decided to pack it all in and go back to work closer to home and return to selling clothes! Had a grand ole "good bye" session with her and Off she went! The same thing with a few other old regulars when I contacted them, most of them had already also flown the coop.
OK, no problem. Turned to my trusty list of mommies – and of course each one of them was so happy to hear from me! Right away they sent me pictures of their girl, but a disappointing 3, 4 or 5 only from each one because in the past, they regularly had at least a dozen or so in their herd. Oh well, never mind! I then of course reconfirmed what I want, will or will not accept and most importantly, the price. They all stated the old pricing: – 250 from the Swan Lake / Yalan area, but 200 from the Hui Mei alley momma – up from the 150 I had gotten for years even up to just before the yanda – but again, never mind! One of the Mommies was laughing, telling me that with most others, she'the quote 300 – and 9 times out of 10, the guy at the other end of the phone just readily accepts. "You guys are so desperate these days, Ha Ha! So guys, please do stand your ground when dealing with these mommies! And by the way, if your rate is 250, your gal have to give her mommy 100, if it was 300, she has to give 110.
And somehow or other, one of my old KTV mommies WeChatted me out of the clear blue sky. Hmmmm. Offering her girls at ridiculous prices; especially the fact that a couple of them, I know to be just BBS gals! She followed up with a phone call and when I confronted her with this tidbit, she of course just sheepishly admitted that she'the take on ANY girl who's still around and willing to work; but that to be fair to her other "Genuine KTV Princesses," she had to so price quite uniformly. So guys, again, Caveat Emptor!
Then a friend excitedly wanted me to go to Huizhou with him as he'the been receiving Texts / WeChat etc. From his old CP / CA sauna managers, offering great service there. Good thing I did not go with him! A 90 minute drive each way, RMB 70 non-refundable 3 hour hotel room fee and only then being shown a menagerie of girls for an additional 600 to 1,000 each. Oh, he said the service as "OK" but it's the cloak and dagger, the stealth, the walking up and down back staircases etc. Which all conspired to make his a less than satisfactory session. And of course then the long drive back to CP!
I also went to Xing Party and had to laugh at the "regulation" 16 x40 clear window cut out roughly from each door coupled with the huge convex shop-lifting mirror fitted out at each room. Haven't they ever heard of electronic cameras? That if they really are determined to deter illicit activities, that the use of cheap and discreet cameras with recording function would be the way to do so? But then again, I-say-you-say IS a proven method for authorities – real or otherwise – to extract money from you ain't it?! LOL.
Anyway, I guess CP is still "OK" if you do have contacts and don't expect things to be the way it used to be. And I'the rather suspect that things ain't ever going to recover – at least not for a good long while. And do be careful if you do decide to still go up – It's really the Wild Wild West these days there now! Hmmm. Is that what WWW. Mean?
Just IMHO.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
05-28-14, 19:39
Well CP is a ghost town eveb before the crack down now it is worst, there are no reason for the Hong konger to come here any more and I guess the protest by the CP business owner to the local city official is not doing any good.
Fast eddie 48.
I don't know if it was the very hot weather or what! But Chang Ping really felt totally lifeless; gone are the throngs of girls and mongers walking about and I now mostly just see morose, blank-faced people going about their business. Hotels empty and advertising cheap rooms -Swan Lake RMB 128, Manhattan 178 etc. Or even just closed down like HMTL. Yeah, the one which had opened with so much (too much) fanfare just a few months ago. Serves them right actually LOL!
I'd say at least a quarter of the shops on SWL road are closed: - most nightspots like Mango (except 18 and California Red), just about all the telephone shops, Hong Kong style caf Yuen Long, Legend changed hands for only a rumored RMB 150 K, Jin Hao abandoned and just re-opened but empty. And of course the previously ubiquitous hair and nail shops all deprived of any custom or just abandoned. But the good news is. No traffic jams at all any time of the day or night!! Really a sorry sight, the whole street! The whole of Chang Ping too actually.
Downtown, the new LCC mall, Huaren, 8 mall etc have just about no customers at all but surprisingly, still a whole bunch of street hawkers outside. And what's odd is that a lot of these street hawkers are quite fetching young lassies, who I of course suspect are ex-WG's trying to still hold on and survive. I really tip my hat to the resourcefulness and determination of the young ladies of China!! And BTW, My friend treated (Thanks!) and I did also have a nice Footsy at the SWL hotel. No restrictions / not much and the girls all quite chatty and of course very flirty!..It is sad what the crackdown has done to these places. It seems that the government is clamping down on everything.
StinkyFeet
05-29-14, 19:06
Sigh, sugar baby and friends are gone... I guess I'm back to hunting. Wonder what's left in dongguan...
SE Asia Joe
05-30-14, 07:10
BTW, received a few questions from friends on what I actually meant by my previous statement that CP is now like the Wild Wild West. It's just that Chang Ping is nowadays full of broke, desperate people (gals and guys) all trying to score before leaving never to come back; much worse than even during pre-Chinese New Year when crime regularly spikes up. So just a li'l heads up to be careful and beware.
And I forgot to mention. One of my mommies (one who I've used for many many years going back from when she was operating out of a BBS to when she started regularly operating out of KTV's) treated me for coffee and chit chat. The main tenet of what she wants me to know, and I guess to spread the word on is that she feels very aggrieved with / about Agents / tour guides. These dogs (LOL, her expression!) are basically sourcing their girls from her and other mommies, pressing them down for as little cut as possible, and then marking up THEIR girls to us mongers for ridiculous amounts. She really is quite PO'the and opines that it's a real travesty that it's their girls and -they're not getting their fair cut!
LOL, honor amongst thieves.
Oh the injustice!! LOL!
SEAJ.
EastCoast11
05-31-14, 16:48
Just heard from one of the managers at the "Mei Yi Deng" (32654;24609;30331;65289;hotel KTV that they will have a trial operation on 6/1 and officially open on 6/3. Any other fellow brothers hear same? Just wondering if there's any truth to this, if so this may be the beginning for other KTV's to follow suit. Things most likely won't be the same as before but hey. It's better than nothing right now.
Some Changping KTVs have opened since 31/05/14.
SE Asia Joe
06-01-14, 04:46
I really wonder what all this talk about KTV's supposedly re-opening in Chang Ping is all about (today LiHao, Regency, Hai Xia, Clipper, Park Hyatt and June 3 Peninsula, Hui Mei, Hui Hua etc). Even free beer promotion for one and all the mayflower!
Supposedly no girls available except DJ's and Beer promotion girls?
Really?
How's THAT going to work?
LOL.
SEAJ
Anyway, I guess CP is still "OK" if you do have contacts and don't expect things to be the way it used to be. And I'the rather suspect that things ain't ever going to recover at least not for a good long while. And do be careful if you do decide to still go up It's really the Wild Wild West these days there now! Hmmm. Is that what WWW. Mean?
JWiki wiki wild, wiki wild, wiki wiki wild.
What the fuck did you guys do?
ManonsanBoy
06-01-14, 14:31
I rang a mamasan because I was bored after playing golf. She said sauna is unlikely to open this year and her old boss had basically gone bust. She then so you want company tonight? She is actually an very attractive woman. We went to Goodview in Tangxia and one thing led to another we checked in at the hotel with full identification etc. We got upgraded to a suite because we had a rather expensive dinner. It was like having an affair. We had a nice Cognac XO that I had bought across the border from HK. Sex was OK. At breakfast in the room, she popped the question; do you want to wrap me? I said no; that was not my style. She then sat on my knees and kissed me lingeringly (Chinese do not kiss). I will look after you, she said. I actually like her a lot. I asked how much sincerity money she wants; no need. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe IPhone and some gold trinkets will do the trick.
Fast Eddie 48
06-01-14, 23:25
Wiki wiki wild, wiki wild, wiki wiki wild.
What the fuck did you guys do?To Bruce.
Uncle Joe is right CP is still ok if you got the contact crack down is everywhere in China so CP still have some action, until there are another place better CP will still get some monger.
Fast eddie 48.
Wiki wiki wild, wiki wild, wiki wiki wild.
What the fuck did you guys do?Who the hell knows Bruce? Woke up one morning and the whole "world" as we knew went crazy. WTF? I know that compared to many I am a relative newcomer, but it sad that all that is left is memories. Ahhhh, but what memories they are.
Lanternrouge
06-02-14, 09:46
I was in Chang Ping yesterday, saunas are still closed. I called my regular mamasan and she sent a girl to my room. She knows my taste so the girl she sent was acceptable, but I still long for the days when you can select from a line up.
During breakfast this morning, I saw a HK man with his wife and kids, a few months no man from Hong Kong will bring his wife and kids within 10 km of Chang Ping.
Moth To Flames
06-02-14, 14:35
Received this message via the UK consular WeChat account and thought of you guys. Hope it's of use to one or two of you. Moth.
Calling all British Nationals in Dongguan. Have you ever wondered what services the British Consulate General provides for British Nationals or what to do if you lose your British passport with a Chinese visa inside? Come along and join us at our upcoming Consular Outreach event in Dongguan. It will be held on Wednesday 4 June from 19:30-21:30 at One for the Road Traditional English Pub, Building 2 IEO Dynatown, Dongcheng East Road. A free finger food buffet will be provided and one free drink too. If you would like to attend please email consular. guangzhou@fco. gov. uk
Overall situation less tense.
Stay low profile and be discreet.
KTV.
Most hotel owned KTVs have re-opened as "Family KTV".
Flower street will cease to exist.
Due to current situation if you're not regular or brought by regular there the hostesses will not be provided.
PUB.
All pubs are operating in normal mode.
MASSAGE.
All Massage Centres and Spas are operating in low profile mode.
Only Foot massage is available.
SAUNA.
All Saunas are closed.
Impossible to recover within this year.
Overall situation less tense.
Stay low profile and be discreet.
KTV.
Most hotel owned KTVs have re-opened as "Family KTV".
Flower street will cease to exist.
Due to current situation if you're not regular or brought by regular there the hostesses will not be provided.
PUB.
All pubs are operating in normal mode.
MASSAGE.
All Massage Centres and Spas are operating in low profile mode.
Only Foot massage is available.
SAUNA.
All Saunas are closed.
Impossible to recover within this year.Looks like nothing for me here. So sad as I have more time now. Although I found quality of service declining a little up to my last visit in 2012 I always liked the providers and even the poorest service here was better than that of many other destinations because of the Chinese belief in delivering value for money. This was one of my favorite destinations. It seems hardly likely that I'll ever return.
SE Asia Joe
06-06-14, 16:13
LOL!
A "friend" just wechatted and invited me to go to the miraton where she's now working supposedly as an assistant mommy; but that she and other assistant mommies will sit with me and / or my friends!
I started chatting with her and asked if she's still 4-8-12, the rate I remember her as being, and she matter-of-factly just replied "no, I'm assistant mommy and 5-15-20 now. ".
Yeah. Right!
Amazing!!
SEAJ.
StinkyFeet
06-06-14, 18:18
LOL!
A "friend" just wechatted and invited me to go to the miraton where she's now working supposedly as an assistant mommy; but that she and other assistant mommies will sit with me and / or my friends!
I started chatting with her and asked if she's still 4-8-12, the rate I remember her as being, and she matter-of-factly just replied "no, I'm assistant mommy and 5-15-20 now. ".
Yeah. Right!
Amazing!!
SEAJ.That inflation is not even funny. ST from 8 to 15. An increase of 80%. Its now a sellers market.
SE Asia Joe
06-07-14, 05:31
That inflation is not even funny. ST from 8 to 15. An increase of 80%. Its now a sellers market.No Kidding!
And actually, except for her over-sized mammary, she is not pretty at all.
I only got to know her via her room mate who is a smoking hot ex-Hui Hua KTV gal.
All 4'11" of her and she now commands that pricing! May as well just go to Macau or Shanghai!
SEAJ.
ManonsanBoy
06-09-14, 11:40
Called an old mummy and she sent a girl. She arrived at my hotel and she was a knock out, well dressed and looking as some one who belonged at the 5 star hotel I was staying at. On a whim, I said, how much for staying all night. She said 2000. I said you will have to register at the front desk as a hotel guest. No problem. Apparently, now the mummies can no longer guarantee safety, the whole scene is a little chaotic. Great discord under heaven!
EastCoast11
06-10-14, 03:34
Called an old mummy and she sent a girl. She arrived at my hotel and she was a knock out, well dressed and looking as some one who belonged at the 5 star hotel I was staying at. On a whim, I said, how much for staying all night. She said 2000. I said you will have to register at the front desk as a hotel guest. No problem. Apparently, now the mummies can no longer guarantee safety, the whole scene is a little chaotic. Great discord under heaven!MB,
If the girl registers at the Hotel as a "guest". What does this mean?
Hi everyone,
Only posted a few times here but have always been a reader. First of, I speak Chinese and look Chinese so the info may not apply for everyone.
Sauna scene: None, if you have a girl that you were friendly with before, you can arrange for something on the side but that's it. They have not increased their price for me but amount of services will not definitely not be your typical sauna experience.
KTV: Open but without girls unless you know someone. Rumor is that July 1 is the date that everything is starting backup to some degree. A few mommys I know are all planning to come back to DG in the next couple of weeks, how much of it will be back, well we're just going to have to wait and see.
Bars: A lot of working girls work at the bars now regardless of size. MG and a bunch of the bigger bars in the area has a few pretty good looking girls that you can take home. Not sure if they only offer this service for customers referred to them by someone they trust or whether its to anyone. There are also a bunch of girls working in smaller bars all around the area the so called "Qing Ba" where they do not play deafeningly loud music and you can actually have a conversation with someone. They are employed by the bar as "waitresses" but I was sent there by the mamasans to check out the goods. Again prices are the same as before. 12/20 or 15/25 depending on the girl.
Keep in mind though that in Dongcheng, the prices for KTV girls have always (at least the last 2 years) been in that range. I was shocked the first time I went to CP and saw how cheap girls were over there and actually went a little crazy a few times. IE: Pick like 4-5 girls to sit, take one up to the room mid evening and come back to mess around more and then take another up at the end of the night. Oh how I miss the good times.
Also there are the usual momo or wechat girl that you can potentially hook up with but quality seems pretty low and even though I speak Chinese, I still worry about bullshit scams.
Happy hunting!
SE Asia Joe
06-13-14, 11:59
I'm afraid that Chang Ping, Dongguan and the whole of Guangdong has really become Paradise Lost. Especially with the latest news that the crackdown is to continue "at least until December" What?
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1531121/guangdong-authorities-say-3033-arrested-sex-trade-crackdown
Guangdong authorities say more than 3,000 arrested in sex trade crackdown
Authorities in Guangdong say their campaign to stamp out prostitution, originally due to end last month, will continue until at least December
HE HUIFENG
PUBLISHED : Friday, 13 June, 2014, 5:08am
UPDATED : Friday, 13 June, 2014, 9:00am
Guangdong police have broken up 214 criminal rings and arrested more than 3,000 individuals suspected of involvement in the sex trade in a wide crackdown that began four months ago, according to the provincial public security department.
Provincial authorities had planned to wrap up the campaign by the end of last month, but yesterday announced it would continue until at least the end of the year..SEAJ
EastCoast11
06-14-14, 05:10
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OK, was just in CP last week. It's actually not horrible anymore although nothing like it was. People are offering KTV girls everywhere. The hotel I was at arranged one for me and she was a real KTV girl from one I've been to and knew all the specifics. Very nice body, I'd say an 8 out of 10, a fun attitude, and no pressure. She was planning to stick around until noon but I booted her as I had things to do. She then arranged for a friend of hers to come over also from the same KTV. That second girl was waaay too skinny and initially frigid but she got into the swing of things fairly quickly and I ended up actually having a fantastic time with her. At no time did I feel any time pressure from either girl and nobody was beating down the doors or sneaking around. Each girl was 1800 LT (I think would have been 1500ST) which is in-line with what I have been hearing and not so far from previous pricing for KTV.
Definitely no BBS and most people say the saunas are gone for now too. A 19 year veteran taxi driver told me there are still three saunas in operation that he knows about, I may have to hit him up next time. The word I heard was to wait until 2015 for things to get back to normal.
OldAsiaHand
06-20-14, 12:37
Each girl was 1800 LT (I think would have been 1500ST) which is in-line with what I have been hearing and not so far from previous pricing for KTV.
Definitely no BBS and most people say the saunas are gone for now too. A 19 year veteran taxi driver told me there are still three saunas in operation that he knows about, I may have to hit him up next time. The word I heard was to wait until 2015 for things to get back to normal.Tryfor5,
Thanks for the report. At least you were able to find something albeit for far more money than I can pay. Did you ask about ST rates?
Just my POV.
OAH.
SE Asia Joe
06-23-14, 18:22
the way i understand it, the entertainment industry was allowed to start in dongguan because it had the one-eye-open-one-eye-closed unofficial approval of the powers-that-be in beijing. back in the eighties, china was very eager to attract foreign investments – especially those from taiwan and hong kong; but one big problem was that taiwan / hong kong managers were loath having to take up hardship postings in the still very drab mainland of the time – especially since during those days, the night scene in taiwan / hong kong were going full blast. so some of these" entertainment venue providers," were quite favorably looked upon by the government and they had not only gained fortunes but also valuable connections etc. - which of course were the early beginnings of these "protective umbrellas. "
chang ping, on the fringes of the main manufacturing areas, had actually only been a "secondary" area. mostly catering to the cross-border truck drivers who needed to stay overnight in china as the borders had closed at midnight then. these drivers made very good money at that time – up to hk $40,000 per month. as there were not that many drivers who had licenses to drive both in china as well as hong kong. and so they really lived it up whilst their containers got filled at the factories overnight.
in those days, most had considered chang ping as quite low class and not really suitable for "decent businessmen" – something which only started to turn around when the hong kong – guangzhou intercity train intermediate stop was moved from zhangmutou to chang ping. before the advent of the crh hi-speed train service, most hong kong as well as taiwanese factory owner / managers usually travelled to their dongguan factories on this direct train and it only became natural that they would at least stay a while before traveling by car to their factories and chang ping started to flourish (up to a couple or so years ago, taiwanese were forced to travel via hong kong to go to southern china).
anyway, the way i look at it, the "entertainment industry" is no longer central to attracting investments as china had meanwhile offered an ever higher standard of living for these expatriate mangers and factory owners. and meanwhile, this industry have been attracting too much sleaze, temptation, tangible cause for corrupt practices, criminality etc. on top of that, i really do believe that the chinese do not want their country to be known as being an international sex destination – something which it was rapidly turning into unless this industry got reined in quickly.
this being so, i really cannot see how chang ping can ever return to how it was in the past; yes, there's no way to fully eradicate prostitution but imho, chang ping will become quite a bit more "genteel" in its practices and of course way more expensive.
all this is purely my own speculation.
seaj
SE Asia Joe
06-23-14, 18:25
Past few days have been visiting some of my regulars who just came back and to meet with friends to catch up. I see the GA is still quite visible. At the train station, going around in their vans around town or sitting in them parked prominently, but I also see what seems to be a lot more girls and more of them fully KTV made-up walking about. And oh yeah, mongers. Lots more mongers around too! Even some already being flashy and loud. Sigh.
Disturbingly though, a couple of my regulars complained that they've basically been lied to by their mommies; they were told that CP is "Back" and there's all sorts of clients for them, but this is not the case at all. All they've been doing had been just to wait around for the mommies to haul them off somewhere, to be shown to a couple / three guys and go back to waiting again. On top of that, they're complaining that even though the price to the customers had gone up, their cut remains basically the same as before. Talk about killing to goose that laid the golden egg! Classic case of top heavy "management".
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
06-23-14, 22:26
The way I understand it, the entertainment industry was allowed to start in Dongguan because it had the one-eye-open-one-eye-closed unofficial approval of the Powers-that-be in Beijing. Back in the eighties, China was very eager to attract foreign investments especially those from Taiwan and Hong Kong; but one big problem was that Taiwan / Hong Kong managers were loath having to take up hardship postings in the still very drab mainland of the time especially since during those days, the night scene in Taiwan / Hong Kong were going full blast. So some of these" entertainment venue providers," were quite favorably looked upon by the government and they had not only gained fortunes but also valuable connections etc. - which of course were the early beginnings of these "protective umbrellas. "
Chang Ping, on the fringes of the main manufacturing areas, had actually only been a "secondary" area. Mostly catering to the cross-border truck drivers who needed to stay overnight in China as the borders had closed at midnight then. These drivers made very good money at that time up to HK $40,000 per month. As there were not that many drivers who had licenses to drive both in China as well as Hong Kong. And so they really lived it up whilst their containers got filled at the factories overnight.
SEAJTo SEAJ.
This is very good History of CP my first trip here is back in 1995 my Coworker in Houjie factory take me to a Sauna here, CP is a small quiet town back in the days like right now but in 1998 on my 2nd trip many hotel and condo is being bulid all over and girl are everywhere and on the weekend it is pack with HK monger but in 2008 CP is starting to Decline til now back to a quiet town.
Fast eddie 48.
SE Asia Joe
06-24-14, 08:05
Got PM'd about the KTV scene in Chang Ping these days.
Unfortunately, I really don't have much new to report on this subject. Even from a couple or so years ago. Ever since the pricing of KTV gals had risen so dramatically coupled with a directly proportional level of their worsening attitude and service to the paying customer – I had for the most part NOT gone to KTV's except to meet up and party with friends; certainly not only for the KTV girls. On top of that, I had benefited greatly from the spirit of caring by sharing on this and other boards to know what kind of crap to expect from KTV's nowadays.
And as I had relayed in my previous post about the complaints of my regulars (one was a KTV girl and the other a BBS one), I was able to pretty well figure out that the pickings is going to be slim, the pricing high, the rigmarole needed to just get one girl (they will not allow you to have more than one! Just to go KTV partying is not going to be worth it. This especially since the girl is going to be nervous the whole night (and most likely, I will also be too!) AND probably not very happy as she knows that whilst she'the be doing all the heavy lifting, others, the mommies, agents, the KTV itself etc., will get the most benefit.
I did go to Xing party though, and nothing much to report about this either; just a bunch of us old friends with a few girls chatting, singing, drinking and eating. And oh, by the way, the Lychee crop this year is fabulous! One of our friends bought some and it was exceptionally good! No GA checks, not expensive at all of course and. Nothing more to report!!
SEAJ
Bring back 2008.
LAMonkey
Got PM'd about the KTV scene in Chang Ping these days.
Unfortunately, I really don't have much new to report on this subject.
SEAJ
ShangHangin
06-26-14, 10:14
most had considered chang ping as quite low class and not really suitable for "decent businessmen" something which only started to turn around when the hong kong guangzhou intercity train intermediate stop was moved from zhangmutou to chang ping. before the advent of the crh hi-speed train service, most hong kong as well as taiwanese factory owner / managers usually travelled to their dongguan factories on this direct train and it only became natural that they would at least stay a while before traveling by car to their factories and chang ping started to flourish (up to a couple or so years ago, taiwanese were forced to travel via hong kong to go to southern china).
seajfrom 1999-2004, i was based 60% of the time in zhangmutuo. the ktv was generally run by the psb in those days (owned most of the hotels). they would make tons of money off the business men and nobody feared for busts. not until the hk journalists started poking around, did the ownership begin to change. pricing was cheap and quality was good. i think it will be some time before there is any type of return. some bros speculate 2015. mmmm.
sh.
I feel that the clampdown on CP and DG was good. Felt that the clubs and mommies were getting a little out of hand and a bit greedy to say the least. Even though I did not use the services that much, prices were rising just too high and service from what I see was declining. I remember the earlier days pre 2005 when prices were low and you got a lot for your value. Maybe if it restarts again in 2015 you may get a huge influx of gals bring down the prices but things need to change a bit before this can happen again. I still remember the days when Sha Tsui was paradise but those days are gone. I remember the days of turning the gals into "white tiger" by the time we had breakfast the next morning. It was wonderful.
I was passing through DG late last year. I was so sad to see liveliness has gone.
I do not think the Xi wanted CP / DG to turn into the raunchiness of Angeles City or Thailand and it goes well with his current campaign of cleaning up the vices. As an ABC I do believe that Xi is bring the right changes to China. I hope for the best in China and hopes that the parties will come back. Just my humble two rmb on this.
Come on peoples don't get ripped off in CP with the 1500 and up prices. There's plenty of fun in SZ esp in danshui or longgang. Prices are 3-6-9. Find it yourself. Don't expect me to tell you and ruin the fun for everyone else.
Come on peoples don't get ripped off in CP with the 1500 and up prices. There's plenty of fun in SZ esp in danshui or longgang. Prices are 3-6-9. Find it yourself. Don't expect me to tell you and ruin the fun for everyone else.May I ask if you have visited either of these places in the last few months, and can confirm activities and pricing?
By the way, I think it a bit unfair to expect punters to find the fun places if first time visitors. Longgang is a district of Shenzhen covering more than 380 sq km (nearly 5 times the size of Luohu) with a population of more than 2 million. And Danshui is not in Shenzhen. How about a bit more information?
I would also ask are these places foreigner friendly? I know a number of places in Bantian (a sub-district of Longgang) but any foreigners who cannot speak Chinese would be unlikely to even get in the front door.
Cheers.
JohnnyGolfr
06-27-14, 02:41
Had a gal contact me on WeChat last week while in SZ. She started at 2000 for LT, got her down to 1200. Met her for a drink and she turned out to be a bitchy tart, so I told her to walk. Not always easy to find a fun one when you don't know the area.
May I ask if you have visited either of these places in the last few months, and can confirm activities and pricing?
By the way, I think it a bit unfair to expect punters to find the fun places if first time visitors. Longgang is a district of Shenzhen covering more than 380 sq km (nearly 5 times the size of Luohu) with a population of more than 2 million. And Danshui is not in Shenzhen. How about a bit more information?
I would also ask are these places foreigner friendly? I know a number of places in Bantian (a sub-district of Longgang) but any foreigners who cannot speak Chinese would be unlikely to even get in the front door.
Cheers.
Karry Yokie
06-27-14, 17:13
Because of the clamp-down a few months ago, it seems the girls now want to charge extortionate prices for even crappier service!!
Don't pay it!
I got a lay-back-and-think-of China chick who promised me RMB1200. She was lazy and a crap fuck!
Then afterwards she demanded RMB2000 !
Rubbish!
You can still get an awesome lay in Thailand for $30 a night!
I live in SZ, Futian. I'll trade info if you want. PM me.
LAMonkey
Come on peoples don't get ripped off in CP with the 1500 and up prices. There's plenty of fun in SZ esp in danshui or longgang. Prices are 3-6-9. Find it yourself. Don't expect me to tell you and ruin the fun for everyone else.
LukeSkywalker
06-29-14, 01:54
Prices in ChangPing have gone ridiculous at 1200 RMB. Then they all want to leave by 6 AM. Not worth it.
Where in Thailand can you find all night girls for $30? Are they nice, clean, good-looking? Give me the thread so I can look into it further.
I have been paying between $60 to $80 for all nights with nice, girls, looking like movie stars in Manilla. They speak English so I feel a better connection with them.
Since Bangkok is a good airlines' hub for travel in Asia, it would be nice to find arrangements for lay overs every time I go to Asia.
Because of the clamp-down a few months ago, it seems the girls now want to charge extortionate prices for even crappier service!!
Don't pay it!
I got a lay-back-and-think-of China chick who promised me RMB1200. She was lazy and a crap fuck!
Then afterwards she demanded RMB2000 !
Rubbish!
You can still get an awesome lay in Thailand for $30 a night!
SE Asia Joe
07-03-14, 08:48
Since there does seem to be a death of real reports / info on our used-to-be favorite little Hamlet, here's some Third party tidbits. Please don't come out with your scabbards and axes to. Whatever! And of course, please not more of the "Heck I know better posts" either!
Last night, a couple friends had the privilege of having to pay the minimum charge of 888 for a small room at the Hui Hua PLUS a mandatory DJ (Fuglies only) for another 300. They asked for the girls and were informed that because the place had some kind of "police notice," they did not even agree to show pictures of girls that they can call. And the supposed girls dressed up as DJ's and / or assistant mommies? Non-existent!
So my two friends got creative and called their own "contacts," but only managed to get sent 5 girls from 4 different sources and only one was even half-assed acceptable; an older gal who's still stuck in Chang Ping as she owns a dress shop there and cannot leave. My other friend had the privilege of accompanying ole lady thumb and her four daughters for the rather shortened evening, and the fabulous management of Hui Hua still managed to slip in an extra 45 to bring their bill to 933! And for only for a couple dozen crap beers and the Piece-de-Resistance fruit platter! Sheesh!
And oh yeah, they had to spend another 50 for taxi fares for the rejected girls!! And oh, did I mention about how brightly lit the room had to be? And how the rest of the KTV felt like an empty morgue? And how about the huge see-through window on the door? And how the various managers still insisted on coming into their room to "Cheer."and drink up their beer? Scaring them each time they make their entrance, not knowing if it was the GA or not! Total useless idiots, these supposed managers and nothing more than professional drinkers who're there solely for the purpose of trying to bump up the bill.
Yup, a rocking great time is to be had in Chang Ping these days. Not!
And oh, here's another little tidbit. Mayflower girl prices, when and if available, being touted at 3-7-12,4-9-14,5-13-18. What? And I had thought that the prices even the before the yanda – 3-7-11,4-8-12,5-10-15 was already ridiculous! What? And I remember that the 5-10-15 girls used to lower their price by 8 PM latest as they know that they're just taller (and IMHO, tall and ugly! And since they're taller, there's just more "ugly" to have to content with. LOL!
Mayflower beer: buy 2 dozen at 800 odd, get 1 dozen free.
Why not just go to a veggie KTV? Or better still, just not go to Chang Ping at all these days. Sigh.
OK, like I said, please no brick-bats for third party reporting!
SEAJ
StinkyFeet
07-04-14, 03:50
Why not just go to a veggie KTV? Or better still, just not go to Chang Ping at all these days. Sigh.
OK, like I said, please no brick-bats for third party reporting!
SEAJIf your going to bring your girls better to go to the family style KTV's, pay by the hour an no obnoxious managers. All the KTV's should just close down like the sauna's if they still think they can operate the same manner as before the crackdown. I too went to a KTV that was popular with factory owners in houjie, but upon actually looking at the rooms, there all empty but with blaring music emanating from them. The local guy that hosted the evening also got pinched for 60 rmb and had to tip the auntie dj 300 rmb. Fuk that. The hottest girl at the party was a girl from my factory with butter face (although smashing body). If you want hot p4 p these days, the only way is to get a hottie is to go to a big dance club, order champange (the more the better to impress), get your game on with the drinking girls and pursuade them to accept a night with you for 3000 rmb.
Changping KTVs are now open but KTV hostesses are not provided.
Changping Saunas are closed indefinitely.
Alternative Itinenary
1) Within China: Undisclosed locations within 1 hour journey from Changping.
2) Outside China: Bangkok / Dannok.
SE Asia Joe
07-12-14, 18:18
All this talk and fear about hotel room raids has made me quite worried and also wondering what is the actual situation I'm Chang Ping. As it so happens, I met up with a friend whose interest it is in more guests staying in Chang Ping and so he was more than happy to tell me what he knows and does not mind at all that I would spread the word.
1. If you are going to have a friend with you, DO register her with the hotel; GA is only concerned about prostitution (which is a crime) and not adultery which is only a moral issue. When the GA check the hotel register, they do their own profiling, but according to my friend, they usually are on the look out for rather suspicious single stayers and would many times review CCTV footage to determine if the fellow has any unregistered visitors. This is how hotel room checks usually happens.
2. For those of you who expect to have multiple friends come over, best for you to get "friendlier" with the front desk and make sure that the replacement friend also replaces the previous friend in the register.
3. Unlike what most people thought. Including myself. The hotel does not register all their guests with the local PSB; they only register partially as they cannot afford to pay all the taxes, plus they need to have some unreported income to satisfy all the various people and departments etc. So chances are, even if you and your friend are registered with the hotel, such info is mostly kept in-house.
You may now be thinking that my friend would say anything to me as his main interest is in filling up his hotel rooms. But common sense tells me that he has more to lose if his information is not correct and as a result more hotel room raids happen.
Also, please take what I report here at face value and not come back to me if anything untoward does happen to you. Caveat emptor!
And of course just IMHO.
SEAJ
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