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. I believe China and it's business practices are fucked up that way. The manager probably did not want to get fired, so he billed the customer. I guess the reasoning has some bearing, where the customer is responsible for the contents and condition of the room property he is essentially renting out. Chinese business practices like charging me 70 rmb for a towel that they couldn't find in my room. and this wasn't an HH towel, but a crappy 1/2 size towel that I would have thrown away 2 years earlier in central china. They count everything in the room and charge for anything missing.
HH even got me for a cigarette burn on the desk, damn they notice everything (cigarette burn was only 50 rmb though)
Fast Eddie 48
06-20-09, 06:25
Chinese business practices like charging me 70 rmb for a towel that they couldn't find in my room. And this wasn't an HH towel, but a crappy 1/2 size towel that I would have thrown away 2 years earlier in central China. They count everything in the room and charge for anything missing.
HH even got me for a cigarette burn on the desk, damn they notice everything (cigarette burn was only 50 rmb though)freespeaks,
China hotel a 5 star hotel in Guanzhou also charge for a small towel 80 rmb, they said there was a tea stink on it cannot remove, but is on my company CC so no big deal.
Fast Eddie 48
However, I don't really know how you leave the hotel without your room key... I suppose perhaps hiding your room key in your shoe might not be a bad idea, but I don't know how thorough a bandit would be going through your stuff... Perhaps always leaving it at the front desk might not be a bad thing... I've never been one to go to those extremes, but I guess all it takes is one bad experience to know better.
On the subject of carrying your money, cards, and stuff safely in a wallet, I've been told to keep wallets in the front pocket. Back pocket would perhaps get cut and the wallet slide right out.
I've been to several shopping markets and seen wallets with chains on them. Kinda like a funky hip-hop rapper style. The wallet is connected to the chain. The chain can be wrapped around the belt's columns and/or attached to the buckle. Thief can't get the wallet without cutting the chain, which I assume can be done, but with a lot more hassle.
I've attached two samples (not mine). One is cheap ($3 US dollars) to mid priced (around $50 US dollars). Or if you are a BSD, there's a Louis Vuitton chain to show off with.
If anything, you'd look like a hip hop youngster.
On the subject of carrying your money, cards, and stuff safely in a wallet, I've been told to keep wallets in the front pocket. Back pocket would perhaps get cut and the wallet slide right out.
I've been to several shopping markets and seen wallets with chains on them. Kinda like a funky hip-hop rapper style. [snip]
If anything, you'd look like a hip hop youngster.
I've used the Civilian Rewind Retractor for a couple of years and it works good: retractable wire instead of chain. Links to picture plus a lo-o-o-ng video describing it (made for slow learners). The bad thing with the wallet that comes with the wire is that the magnetic closure ruins your credit card! Instead I have replaced that wallet with similar to the ones in your pics. So I don't look (or feel) like a hip hop youngster. :)
http://www.civilianlab.com/Duo/Duo%20Main.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/v/AooZK3n92JI&rel=1
Front pocket or back pocket, chain or no chain, if you look like target you ARE a target. Maybe the expensive wallet on the fancy retractable chain makes you look like a good target.
I think the best way for us to avoid becoming victims is to carry as little as possible. What we don't have they cannot take.
If you must carry cards and cash, then I think the best option is the hidden moneybelt or pocket stitched inside the pants.
I agree that the best approach is to carry as little as possible. But of course, that doesn’t always happen.
In my last trip to CP, I went to the ATM next to the Miraton Hotel. Sure enough, after making the withdrawal, guys start following me around and offering me “taxi” services. I guess it is no surprise that some of these guys stake out the ATMs – why rob a guy who may have some money when you can rob a guy who just left an ATM that you know has money.
I guess some may suggest going to an ATM in a bank. I have tried this in the past (I went to the Bank of China next to Tesco), but the problem here is that the ATMs display only Chinese characters. The ATM by Miraton is the only one I know of that has English. And even though there may be other ATMs with English in town, looking at the videos posted in the last two weeks, security doors and low traffic areas do not really help. In fact, one may wonder whether these make it worse.
I guess the best solution is to bring $$$ and exchange in the hotels (there is a limit here), or alternatively, learn to read Chinese characters and use the machines in the banks when they are open.
Bad Boy Billy
06-22-09, 09:19
Billy has confirmed flights into GZ on July 15 - heading straight to CP for 2 nights - any regulars likely to be in town then?
Old Mean Dog
06-22-09, 11:02
I for one believe FE, because he has no reason to lie.
I also believe FE, why should he lie about something like this?
SEAJ: So what if the price of the safe was cheaper at the Canton Fair? Do you think the hotel is going to go running around looking for the cheapest price? If you trash a room, steal a towel or spill shit on the bedspread, they will charge you premium price. Many hotel rooms have the replacement costs posted in the room.
Anyway, as FE said the guy was from HK, so it would not take much time for a friend to bail him out and/or report his card lost and get a replacement. I got mine replaced within 24 hours from the states.
I've stayed at that hotel a few times myself. The rooms are pretty clean, but security wise it fails, can't even remember seeing a security guard on duty there (Though I doubt it would make a difference).
-CPE
but the problem here is that the ATMs display only Chinese characters. The ATM by Miraton is the only one I know of that has English.
I guess the best solution is to bring $$$ and exchange in the hotels (there is a limit here), or alternatively, learn to read Chinese characters and use the machines in the banks when they are open.
All Bank of China machines display English and work with nearly any US card. The ATM in the lobby of the HuiHua - next door to miraton - also has english but occastionally runs out of money on the weekend. it never says that just gives errors. then magically works on monday.
The China Citic bank also works with 2500 limit next to starbucks and is very safe with a guard on duty and inside the bank. the guard was even smart enough to recognize VISA for card access - most american cards run on visa ATM network - and point me to correct machine. the sign for visa is about 1x1 on the machine so hard to see it. machine all the way on right. others are for chinese cards only.
California8
06-22-09, 21:04
All Bank of China machines display English and work with nearly any US card. The ATM in the lobby of the HuiHua. Next door to miraton. Also has english but occastionally runs out of money on the weekend. It never says that just gives errors. Then magically works on Monday.
The China Citic bank also works with 2500 limit next to starbucks and is very safe with a guard on duty and inside the bank. The guard was even smart enough to recognize VISA for card access. Most american cards run on visa ATM network. And point me to correct machine. The sign for visa is about 1x1 on the machine so hard to see it. Machine all the way on right. Others are for Chinese cards only.My experience is with the ATM at China Construction Bank (CCB) locations in Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Hong Kong. CCB is a partner with Bank of America and I can withdraw cash from my account with no service fees; there is an option for 'English' once the ATM card is inserted. The exchange rate is better than the hotels for those looking to save a few RMB. Since there is no service fee, I do not feel as I have to withdraw and carry around so much at one time.
CAL
All Bank of China machines display English and work with nearly any US card. The ATM in the lobby of the HuiHua - next door to miraton - also has english but occastionally runs out of money on the weekend. it never says that just gives errors. then magically works on monday.
The China Citic bank also works with 2500 limit next to starbucks and is very safe with a guard on duty and inside the bank. the guard was even smart enough to recognize VISA for card access - most american cards run on visa ATM network - and point me to correct machine. the sign for visa is about 1x1 on the machine so hard to see it. machine all the way on right. others are for chinese cards only.
I also used one ATM across the street form HuiHua near the McDonald's. Was very safe in the daytime.
I am interested in exploring other options from my previous trips.Previously stay at Miraton and did saunas at Virgin , Miraton, HuiHua. I also went to HuiHua KTV and TaoYuan/Jia Yi. All were enjoyable, but variety is spice of life.
I recall the HuiMei looking really nice with drop dead gorgeous girls walking through the lobby, but I haven't found a report on it for sauna or KTV?
Has anyone stayed at 东莞丽城假日酒店
打印 收藏酒店 Laishing Holiday Resortel ?
It seems farther away from the main area, but web shows being a nice resort with a KTV and sauna. Any chance these are not like the rest of CP establishments?
I now have membership,so if anyone wants to go to a KTV (maybe even ChangAn?) one night within July 13-15, PM me. I speak passable mandarin.
Thanks in advance for suggestions for variety.
Slower Better
06-23-09, 04:39
Cain't argue with that logic. Also, room rates in China - and CP in particular - is generally so cheap that it really don't matter much for the casual and once a while visitor.
I'ts only the serial mongers amongst us that needs to use hotels for practically half of each year that small differences accumulate and matters.
Having said that Freepeaks - when your time's up, your time's up and it don't matter where you stay! The choice of a hotel's importance is way below that of us mongers always being on the look-out for dangers and to take the necessary steps to secure our own safety.
SEAJNice little chuckle when I read the above line.
Slower Better
06-23-09, 04:42
The safe though at the Huihua is not bolted down which is a bit disconcerting.
It isn't that heavy either, I could easily carry it out of the hotel in a bag.Bring A Tube Of Superglue And Just Glue The Safe Down.
Jaimito Cartero
06-23-09, 05:03
I had problems finding an ATM that would take my Paypal card. However, when I checked into the Swan Lake Hotel, the China Bank ATM in the lobby worked fine. 2500 rmb withdrawal, no problem.
Flyguy 1974
06-23-09, 13:58
My friend just got back from DG. He told us that besides our regular KTVs at Hui Hua, Jiayi and Mahathan, he found a KTV at Dalang who has a lot of real stunners, charges is 3-7-10. Unfortunately he couldn't recalled the name of the KTV.
The safe though at the Huihua is not bolted down which is a bit disconcerting.
It isn't that heavy either, I could easily carry it out of the hotel in a bag.Bring A Tube Of Superglue And Just Glue The Safe Down.Great Idea - I'm gonna do that. If the safe is glued down I have been to that room.
Travel Dog
06-24-09, 02:42
It was a great time at Xing ze Xing KTV in Chang An last night.
We had 7 guys in all. I had a real sweet Hunan girl who spent most of the night in my lap, with no underwear on. It was in a plastic bag with her bra.
We all played Blind Man's Tit's. Each guy is blindfolded in turn, feels each
girl's boobs and try's to guess which ones were his girl's.....4 guys
decided to take a girl up to a private room, 100 for the room for 2
hours. Plus the girls fee (2-5-8). Each girl also gave a topless lap dance to her guy. Lot's of fun
TD
Fast Eddie 48
06-24-09, 07:02
My friend just got back from DG. He told us that besides our regular KTVs at Hui Hua, Jiayi and Mahathan, he found a KTV at Dalang who has a lot of real stunners, charges is 3-7-10. Unfortunately he couldn't recalled the name of the KTV.Flyguy,
It must be the Royal garden hotel KTV, the biggest 4 star hotel in Dalang town very expensive model class want 1200 rmb and up for LT, they also have a nice sauna with nice qualityabout 30 min taxi from CP.
Fast Eddie 48
Bigboobman007
06-24-09, 10:22
THe CP KTVs are fairly well documented on this site, but the ChangAn KTVs generally receive less attention. It is probably becasuse CA is more difficult to get to (no direct train from HK, for example).
Anyway below is a list of strip KTVs I've heard about in ChangAn:
JiAn: line ups in room; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
DFML (Dong Fang Mei Li): line ups in rooms; strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
Wu Sha Hotel KTV
Xing Zhi Xing KTV (Star of Star Hotel) (Near the border of Humen and Chang An): girls put underwear in plastic bag
Dong Cheng KTV
JinSha KTV (JSMZ)
ShaTou Hotel: strip dice; strip dance at 10:30
I've been to the first to on the list, but not to the others. My questions to you guys is are all 7 of these KTVs distinct KTVs? Or of some of these the same place with different names. Also, do you know about the stripping and choosing format at these KTVs? I believe they are all 2-5-8.I have been to all except the last 3 but did go to Shatou sauna before and asked about the KTV...to confirm it's a naked ktv. They have the same management as Century Flower (also a naked KTV). wusha girls will sit in a row of benches in a room. you select from outside looking thru a glass or u can go it to the room for better view. In xing zhi xing, you select the girls in the "lounge"/ waiting area.
Sukhumvitter
06-25-09, 05:20
Hi All,
Google has just been blocked in China. If you have friends (or girlfriends) with Gmail, don't expect to hear from them soon.
To get around this from within China, use a VPN (virtual private network). I use Witopia (dot net).
Good Luck
Hi All,
Google has just been blocked in China. If you have friends (or girlfriends) with Gmail, don't expect to hear from them soon.
To get around this from within China, use a VPN (virtual private network). I use Witopia (dot net).
Good Luck
China has a dispute with Google. According to the NYTimes, Google's license in China does not allow pornographic or vulgar sites.
Bad news for Vulgarians! :D
Dan Hawaii
06-25-09, 09:39
I also believe FE, why should he lie about something like this?
-CPE
Yo CPE, long time no see any posts from you. Great to see you again. I hope everything is great. I heard you moved out of CP, too much of a good thing (distractions... hard to work), huh?
I can see how it would get to someone's head just living in a place like that. I think after living there for 3 months, I'll be all crazy and shit.
Big Swingin Dave
06-25-09, 18:38
The much anticipated opening of the Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV finally opened it's doors today with much fanfare.
The flower street room is one and a half times the length of the Ja Yi KTV with girls shoulder to shoulder standing next to the walls of the room with guys in the inside circle looking for their companion (s) for the evening.
The management did a fabulous job lining up the hostesses (a few stunners, better looking girls than the KTV WGs) to welcome guests when they arrive at the KTV. Next the DJs (didn’t see too many cute ones here.) sounds out their robotic "welcome" as each group of guests walk through the hallways leading to the flower street room.
I arrive around 7pm with Jaimito_Catero in toll, it was touted to have over 1, 000 WGs but I estimate no more than 500 for tonight. I talked to a few of the mommies and they said that more than a few hundred girls have not been processed thus not allowed to work until all the paperwork has been completed (a. K. A. Fees not yet paid to the establishment, no money, no workie.). It is recommended that you arrive no later than 6:30pm for the stunners on Friday and Saturday evenings and 7pm on any other nights.
Personally, I didn’t see many stunners, just a handful of 9’s but lots of 5 and under. The mommies are all desperate and grabbing you to introduce their "great service"/"fresh to the industry" WGs. Heard the same sales pitch before.
The hardware is brand new and working flawlessly. All of the latest Putonghua and Cantonese songs as wells as English, Japanese and Korean songs are available.
Charges in RMB:
Small room 688 (3-5 guys plus ladies and DJ); 988/1088 – medium (6-8 guys plus ladies and DJ); and large – 1288 (9 – 12 guys plus ladies and DJ).
WGs are 2 – 5 – 8; 200 to sit, 500 for ST, and 800 for LT.
10% service charge added to the subtotal.
12% discount on food and drinks.
WGs do not have duty to order food or drinks (I. E. JY or Lion KTVs).
A great side note is that no extra fee to take girls out of the KTV without playing at the Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV room or lounge unlike JY which requires a 160 fee (I. E. Bar fine for early exit before 8:30pm) which means you can go there pick girls to take them to another KTV or just outside for other entertainments without any extra fees (Lion also don’t charge the extra fee either).
I have the contact name and phone number to make reservation if you need it, just PM me and I will forwarded to you. HAVE FUN!
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Big Swingin Dave
06-26-09, 04:21
google.com, google.cn, and gmail all working in CP today.
BSD
At some of the hotels they charge a one time fee, I recall something like 5-8 RMB. It’s a little coupon the hotels use. It is charged only once when you check in and not on a daily basis. They told me it was for insurance. I asked a few receptionists at a few hotels and each time they didn’t know exactly or I didn’t understand them. Does anyone know what’s the insurance for? What does it cover ?
Long time since I have been in China, but will be in town (Shenzhen and CP; yet to decided exactly where and when) between 7-12 July.
I have been to a KTV once before in China (not so far from CP, see my report from a couple of years back!) had a great time so would like to go again.
Any members around for those dates who would like to hang out, KTV, Sauna or try find some gems at BBS send me a message.
I speak next to no Mandarin or Cantonese, so not much use on that front, but can get on pretty much with anyone and am not too obnoxious.
Cheers,
BJK
A great side note is that no extra fee to take girls out of the KTV without playing at the Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV room or lounge unlike JY which requires a 160 fee (I. E. Bar fine for early exit before 8:30pm) which means you can go there pick girls to take them to another KTV or just outside for other entertainments without any extra fees (Lion also don’t charge the extra fee either).
Mostly 5's. LOL.
I tried take out without the sitting in the KTV at Jia Yi. Friends told me it can be done. Just go in, ask to see the parade, pick the girl, negotiate with mommy and girl and take her out. Pay for ST if that's it, or LT if longer.
So being alone one Saturday night, I went to Jia Yi and tried this. No go. The hostess led me to the bar, but I asked for the Parade. She said no parade without sitting at the bar. I told her I don't get it, didn't they used to do this? and she said it was a new policy, just started at the beginning of May or something. Ah well. Asked her any other way, she said no. I guess it was a Saturday (and at prime time 6 pm) so I guess they want to have all the girls working the parade for guys to run up alcohol tabs.
Big Swingin Dave
06-26-09, 18:55
Back to Mayflower - Wan Yi KTV for Night 2.
There were at least 200 plus more WGs tonight than opening night and in addition to the quantity, the quality has greatly improved as well, perhaps, it was because I got there at 6:30pm instead of 7:00 pm the previous night.
From now to mid-July, there are some perks for the grand-opening period (prices in RMB):
1) Liquor - Buy 2 get 2 free - 780 each.
2) Red Wine - Buy 2 get 2 free - 298 each.
3) Beer - Buy 1 dozen get 2 dozen free - 43/45/48 each
4) Rice Wine - Buy 2 get 2 free - 400 each
Only can choose one of the above per visit (i.e. once you buy the first dozen beers and have gotten two dozen free, you can't buy another dozen and get two dozen free, but you will still get one dozen for free).
Met a caucasian non-Putonghua speaking friend at HuiHua lobby today and brought him along and went through the 700 plus girls asking each mommie if they have girls that can speak English and found only 3 passable candidates and since this new friend was there for the last night after a 3 week trip, he took all three to sit with him. I have the contact information for these ladies if anyone needs it.
Back for Day 3 tomorrow and will report if I find anything new.
BSD
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Dan Hawaii
06-26-09, 21:40
Mostly 5's. LOL.
I tried take out without the sitting in the KTV at Jia Yi. Friends told me it can be done. Just go in, ask to see the parade, pick the girl, negotiate with mommy and girl and take her out. Pay for ST if that's it, or LT if longer.
So being alone one Saturday night, I went to Jia Yi and tried this. No go. The hostess led me to the bar, but I asked for the Parade. She said no parade without sitting at the bar. I told her I don't get it, didn't they used to do this? and she said it was a new policy, just started at the beginning of May or something. Ah well. Asked her any other way, she said no. I guess it was a Saturday (and at prime time 6 pm) so I guess they want to have all the girls working the parade for guys to run up alcohol tabs.
Me and 4 other dudes went to JY (without rsvp a room) and headed straight to the flower street, picked up some girls, and went to the lounge, cause there were no rooms available. Not sure how we slipped through. Maybe we just entered and did not talk to the receptionist, just acted like we belonged there. hahaha.
Dan Hawaii
06-26-09, 21:59
I know a lot of non chinese speaking dudes would appreciate a pretty good English speaking footie girl who is pretty cute. Her English is passable, like she can hold her own in a conversation.
She works at the Hui Hua footie. Her tag number is 156.
Try her out, she is quite pretty. And you would be helping her out if you request her, because I heard they get a small bonus for being requested.
Appreciate if you could post name of Mummy and mobile number. thinking of going there next week.
Thanks
Pointpanic
06-27-09, 20:10
Thanks for the help with the Hui Hua Sauna and getting our friends to the Mayflower .
Dave
Back to Mayflower - Wan Yi KTV for Night 2.
There were at least 200 plus more WGs tonight than opening night and in addition to the quantity, the quality has greatly improved as well, perhaps, it was because I got there at 6:30pm instead of 7:00 pm the previous night.
From now to mid-July, there are some perks for the grand-opening period (prices in RMB):
1) Liquor - Buy 2 get 2 free - 780 each.
2) Red Wine - Buy 2 get 2 free - 298 each.
3) Beer - Buy 1 dozen get 2 dozen free - 43/45/48 each
4) Rice Wine - Buy 2 get 2 free - 400 each
Only can choose one of the above per visit (i.e. once you buy the first dozen beers and have gotten two dozen free, you can't buy another dozen and get two dozen free, but you will still get one dozen for free).
Met a caucasian non-Putonghua speaking friend at HuiHua lobby today and brought him along and went through the 700 plus girls asking each mommie if they have girls that can speak English and found only 3 passable candidates and since this new friend was there for the last night after a 3 week trip, he took all three to sit with him. I have the contact information for these ladies if anyone needs it.
Back for Day 3 tomorrow and will report if I find anything new.
BSD
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SE Asia Joe
06-28-09, 00:22
When I first started going into CP as a newbie, Old Asia Hand, Bill Lee, Wadman,, Tiger 888, CPexpat and even Santo took me under their wings, showed me around and thoroughly briefed me on the ins and outs on mongering in CP.
Now, I've been mongering all over the world for over a decade and have been going into China since the mid 1980's, speak Chinese - Cantonese and a smattering of Putonghua - and could really not be considered a newbie then - but I still found that what the veteran ISG'ers taught me had been truly valuable - in that in saved me lots of time, hassles, AND money in that they were there to make sure that I did not get ripped off/scammed and/or in danger.
And let me tell you, one can really get into a pickle in southern China and Dongguan - particularly if one is not careful or have a wingman who can steer you out of problems. And I mean, pickle that is not only lots of $$, but also actual danger. For one, English and other foreign languages are basically NOT spoken, the rapid economic growth has spawn a Wild Wild West mentality (and attitude and behaviour!) and lots of sharp practices
Unfortunately, of late there has been too many newbies who have been abusing the welcome and helping hand of us guys who volunteer to assist; talking with a few of the guys, I've found out that we all are just a bit sick and tired AND are now quite wary of volunteering our helping hands. These guys really don't even know - never mind appreciate - how much problems and $$ they save when one of us go out of our way to help.
Apologize if I am bleating a bit - but it really bugs me how some of these guys had been so abusive. Just IMHO!
SEAJ
Ps. Am right now NOT in China but am instead at a Starbucks..... in Pasadena nonetheless... and guess this must be the reason why I'm in such a bad mood!!
Thanks for the help with the Hui Hua Sauna and getting our friends to the Mayflower .
Dave
OldAsiaHand
06-28-09, 13:31
Me and 4 other dudes went to JY (without rsvp a room) and headed straight to the flower street, picked up some girls, and went to the lounge, cause there were no rooms available. Not sure how we slipped through. Maybe we just entered and did not talk to the receptionist, just acted like we belonged there. hahaha.
We used to take girls out from the JY KTV flower street by paying for one drink in the lounge for 42 or 48 RMB. Has the policy changed?
OAH
Big Swingin Dave
06-29-09, 01:07
Appreciate if you could post name of Mummy and mobile number. thinking of going there next week.
ThanksWe cannot post names and numbers on the board, PM me and I will forward to you.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
06-29-09, 01:36
The first Saturday night at Mayflower. Wan Yi KTV and it was a zoo, the WGs have now exceeded 1, 000. I have finally figured out where all these ladies are coming from; basically, saw a lot of familiar faces from girls that are from other KTVs, BBS, and Freelancers in CP. So, at Mayflower you may not get the value of your buck if you are now paying for girls that normally would cost you 1/3 to 1/2 the cost if you have gotten them from a BBS and a lot of these BBS girls do not know how to perform their KTV duties (I. E. Sing songs, play games, or drink alcohol).
So, I got one of these KTV virgins tonight and it was basically forced onto me because I booked tonight's room through a mommy. This particular mommy has a large number of girls but she only has a couple 8s but the rest of them are 6 or below. The girl that I got did not get picked to sit (basically did not earn her minimum 200) the first two night at work and the mommy was really laying the guilt trip on me about how hard it was for her to pull strings so that I was able to get a room there on their first Saturday night. The mommy was afraid that this girl was going to give up being a WG so she literally begged me to take her. To be generous, this girl was a 4, figure ok and the skin was smooth but basically I was baby sitting her the whole entire night and it was a chore because I was busy making sure the bill did not get abusively inflated. The lesson learned tonight is that it is better to book from a manager than a mommy/WG/DJ.
Tonight I found out that the Mayflower. Wan Yi KTV does not allow you to bring in alcohol or food. Other KTVs allow you to bring but charges you a corkage fee (JY charges 800RMB or whiskey and 300 RMB for wine) or food service fee but both of these are not allowed at this KTV. Also, photos are not permitted inside the KTV room, Mayflower. Wan Yi KTV is very strick about this policy. One of the guys took a few pictures with his Iphone and within 2 minutes there were 6 security guards in the room demanding that the phone be examined and pictures to be deleted. They are not messing around with this policy as the DJs were the one reporting this to the security and apparently that if management found out that they did not report this incident that they would be immediately terminated.
Mayflower. Wan Yi KTV are still working out the kinks as tonight the power in our room went out for as short as a few seconds to up to 5 minutes 4 separate times. The management apologized and gave us some free food for the inconveniences. We were able to keep the bill under 300RMB per person and everyone had an awesome time.
BSD
Dan Hawaii
06-29-09, 18:06
Ps. Am right now NOT in China but am instead at a Starbucks..... in Pasadena nonetheless... and guess this must be the reason why I'm in such a bad mood!!
That's how we feel almost all year round..., grumpy and moody. You lucky you live so close to paradise.
Dan Hawaii
06-29-09, 18:10
We used to take girls out from the JY KTV flower street by paying for one drink in the lounge for 42 or 48 RMB. Has the policy changed?
OAH
I really don't know the policies there, we usually have a room rsvp. But this time for some reason we did not and everything was booked, so we ended up in the lounge. I thought the policy was.... it's your right to go to the flower street without a room booking, just have a couple of beers at the lounge. But other peoples' posts say they got denied access to flower street, because they did not have a ktv booking.
Robin Mill
06-29-09, 19:07
Would like to give a big thank you to Joe and Dave for showing newbie like me around CP the first time. I think both of you have not lost the faith in sharing with newbies yet.
I have the honour of having the LEGENDARY JOE to show me around in CP BBS mongering. Who can beat me to that? ! ? ! I have fallen deeply in love with the BBS scene, and do a 'chicken run' every other day. Joe also shown me the infamous catacombs, and those elusive BBS. The mummys there are a friendly lot, and treated me like friends of 10 years once they see me again.
I have also found some 'good' BBS gals that I am still in touch with, and will no doubt find them again once I am back in CP. I understand that this is not ideal, as to let emotion get the better of mongering, but I am a sucker for 'sexual attachment'. I even had a BBS gal accompany me for 5 nights in a roll.
Joe, I hope you are having a good time at where you are right now. (Sarcasm intended): p
Dave, hope your PC are running faster than before.
It is a real privilege getting to know both of you. It is true that $$$ can't buy the information and advices that these seniors have to offer. I hope I will be back in CP real soon and catch up with you again.
Unfortunately, of late there has been too many newbies who have been abusing the welcome and helping hand of us guys who volunteer to assist; talking with a few of the guys, I've found out that we all are just a bit sick and tired AND are now quite wary of volunteering our helping hands. These guys really don't even know - never mind appreciate - how much problems and $$ they save when one of us go out of our way to help.
Jettsetter
06-29-09, 20:22
I really don't know the policies there, we usually have a room rsvp. But this time for some reason we did not and everything was booked, so we ended up in the lounge. I thought the policy was.... it's your right to go to the flower street without a room booking, just have a couple of beers at the lounge. But other peoples' posts say they got denied access to flower street, because they did not have a ktv booking.
I think the policy is that you have to have some type of booking to hit the flower street, but how do they know whether you're a guest of a particular room vs. the first one opening the room. When you walk in a hostess asks you which room you're in and will assess whether it's been "opened" - i.e. are you the first one and do they need to assign you a dj. if you say you don't have a RVSP and don't have a room to go to then you'll be relegated to the lounge first...
however, if you act like you belong to a room and meeting some friends, they'll just let you pass... I mean most of the A rooms go first... a06, a13, a08, etc.... since those are flowerstreet rooms and very popular...
So if you wanted to get in, first i'd suggest not getting there at 6:30 when there are lots of rooms that haven't been "opened" yet.. getting there around 7 or 7:30, and you can likely walk in and say - I'm meeting some friends (in chinese of course) and they'll let you pass... or just walk straight in like you belong there, in and to the right and ignore the hostess and you should be okay as well.
Looking forward to my return in a few weeks... heard there are crazy rains out there... and it's hot...
is that true??
-Jett
I don't know the policy but have never had trouble going straight to the flower street. Of course who wants to stop me and practice their English, and if they do I know enough to say i'm going to look, my friends are there.
maybe not speaking chinese is the key to not being stopped. of course we all know if you look chinese or asian for that matter they expect you to speak.
SE Asia Joe
06-30-09, 08:35
I don't know the policy but have never had trouble going straight to the flower street. Of course who wants to stop me and practice their English, and if they do I know enough to say i'm going to look, my friends are there.
maybe not speaking chinese is the key to not being stopped. of course we all know if you look chinese or asian for that matter they expect you to speak.
Errrrr....howzabout competition?? From the newly opened (at last!!) Mayflower/Wan yi.
I'd think that with the fact that the Jia Yi is no longer the only game in town - as far as a big flower street is concerned - is going to lead to a lowering of the standards/requirements there. Plus the fact that things just ain't all that great in Chang Ping right now.
SEAJ
I'd think that with the fact that the Jia Yi is no longer the only game in town - as far as a big flower street is concerned - is going to lead to a lowering of the standards requirements there. Plus the fact that things just ain't all that great in Chang Ping right now.
SEAJ
Jia Yi has been getting worse and worse over the past year with quality. i have at least two times gone there and picked duds that I didn't take, or actually left and went elsewhere. and no i wasn't late either so there from the beginning. plus the ones chosen had bad attitudes and perhaps as someone said before were bbs girls who didn't know there duties at ktv, now i recall that one didn't know how to play dice. isn't htat a give away to a bbs girl?
SE Asia Joe
06-30-09, 08:58
Jia Yi has been getting worse and worse over the past year with quality. i have at least two times gone there and picked duds that I didn't take, or actually left and went elsewhere. and no i wasn't late either so there from the beginning. plus the ones chosen had bad attitudes and perhaps as someone said before were bbs girls who didn't know there duties at ktv, now i recall that one didn't know how to play dice. isn't htat a give away to a bbs girl?
Well......how do they get so many gals?? Simple, they let just about any gal come in and "try out" anytime they want to. No training, no discipline, no rules, no repercussions - just come - or go - as the gal pleases.
And these are gals who are not doing all that well at other KTV's (not making enough $$ as they are not getting picked...for obvious reasons - and trying their luck here), or BBS gals who "Try" to get picked (and hopefully taken out and done for more than the RMB100 they would get at the BBS) and even out and out fresh off the farm/factory gals who don't have the $$ required to start working at the other KTV's (which usually requires upfront payment for things like a uniform, security fee and job deposit).
Also note that most "locals" will refuse to go Jia Yi and that most of the mongers who go there are from overseas/Hkg/Taiwan - and who wants to experience the "awe" of the flower street. And since this is the case, there is really no incentive for the gals to perform better in the hope of getting a regular client.
SEAJ
Jettsetter
06-30-09, 08:59
Jia Yi has been getting worse and worse over the past year with quality. i have at least two times gone there and picked duds that I didn't take, or actually left and went elsewhere. and no i wasn't late either so there from the beginning. plus the ones chosen had bad attitudes and perhaps as someone said before were bbs girls who didn't know there duties at ktv, now i recall that one didn't know how to play dice. isn't htat a give away to a bbs girl?
If you go there on a normal night and see 400 girls, I don't think all 400 are duds ... I think picking is an art... I mean sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get duds... It's really about what you are looking for and whether you can spot that right away... that's VERY tough to do in my opinion from just a quick two fly-by's...
Honestly speaking, i don't think it's the venue... I mean if you were to say all of them were ugly, then yes, I'd say different places have different quality of girls in terms of looks, but in terms of attitude, I think that it's hit or miss ANYWHERE you go...
In terms of sheer numbers, you're bound to have some good and some bad.. it's not like any KTV goes through a rigorous "training" process to allow these girls to work.. you get what you get... some good some bad.
just my ten RMB...
I tend not to pick the hottest girls.. they tend to have the worst attitude.. from my buddies on the board who've seen me pick.. they know I always go for attitude and spunk... it adds attractiveness and I know usually I have a good time later... of course I've been gravely disappointed in the past as well... sort of a bait and switch type of attitude... (or maybe it was just me :..( )...
oh well... happy hunting.
-Jett
Dan Hawaii
06-30-09, 17:30
or just walk straight in like you belong there, in and to the right and ignore the hostess and you should be okay as well.
Looking forward to my return in a few weeks... heard there are crazy rains out there... and it's hot...
is that true??
-Jett
It's to the left. ;). I really don't know the policy and procedures there, I just play stupid (like I don't know the language), just say chim-bu-tone and head to the flower street.
I was with 3 other fellows and none of us got stopped and this was at 6:45pm. I guess we got lucky.
Quality there is below average, but the quantity is what draws us in.
Jettsetter
06-30-09, 17:52
It's to the left. ;). I really don't know the policy and procedures there, I just play stupid (like I don't know the language), just say chim-bu-tone and head to the flower street.
I was with 3 other fellows and none of us got stopped and this was at 6:45pm. I guess we got lucky.
Quality there is below average, but the quantity is what draws us in.
Actually the flower street is to the right as soon as you walk in the main entrance.. you walk past the "reception desk", then you can go right or left, and you turn right at the hallway with all the bottles of different alcohol..
the lounge is to the left.. but I want to go where the action is... :)
If you go there on a normal night and see 400 girls, I don't think all 400 are duds ... I think picking is an art... I mean sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get duds... It's really about what you are looking for and whether you can spot that right away... that's VERY tough to do in my opinion from just a quick two fly-by's...
-Jett
Agree. As soon as you see one you like, take her, as nine times out of ten, she won't be there where you go back for her. I was only there several months ago and boy, did I have a good time.
Agree. As soon as you see one you like, take her, as nine times out of ten, she won't be there where you go back for her. I was only there several months ago and boy, did I have a good time.I agreed with you Toki jo. If you don't like her after you pick her. There is always another time to pick one you like more.
SE Asia Joe
07-01-09, 03:52
Actually the flower street is to the right as soon as you walk in the main entrance.. you walk past the "reception desk", then you can go right or left, and you turn right at the hallway with all the bottles of different alcohol..
the lounge is to the left.. but I want to go where the action is... :)
Actually.... if you come early, you can turn left and then plant yourself at the first few seats of the bar area and watch the gals as they walk past from their 'staging area' to the flower street.
You get a chance to look at each one of them, as this passage way is sort of narrow and they usually file by one by one.
Make a mental note of which ones are do-able and then follow them to the flower street to make your final decision.
SEAJ
Waterfish7788
07-01-09, 07:15
After reading Big Swingin Dave report. I wonder if there are are point of going to other KTV in CP as most gals will mostly be at the Mayflower.
I will be droping by CP in July with a few mates in which 3 of them are CP Virgin. Was thinking of bringing them to Crown Prince as they have heard of it before and really wan to experiences it.
But, reading through the report, Mayflower have the most gals now and it seems pointless for us to go to other KTV as most KTV gals and BBS would have move to mayflower. Just wondering how's the stock in hui mei alley nowadays? must be fairly empty if most BBS gals went for Mayflower KTV as well.
Waterfish
Jettsetter
07-01-09, 08:11
Actually.... if you come early, you can turn left and then plant yourself at the first few seats of the bar area and watch the gals as they walk past from their 'staging area' to the flower street.
You get a chance to look at each one of them, as this passage way is sort of narrow and they usually file by one by one.
Make a mental note of which ones are do-able and then follow them to the flower street to make your final decision.
SEAJ
Joe, you're giving away all the inside information... that strategy is supposed to be reserved for the senior members!! :)
It's hard to know what you're getting until after you get around to playing around with them...
In my book, the hotter, the worse service you get... there's always an exception, but that's my general rule... so I usually don't go for the hottest girls, but ones that I find attractive... with features I like and good attitudes (ie.. do they smile??)
anyways, happy hunting.
-J
Dan Hawaii
07-01-09, 11:38
Actually the flower street is to the right as soon as you walk in the main entrance.. you walk past the "reception desk", then you can go right or left, and you turn right at the hallway with all the bottles of different alcohol..
the lounge is to the left.. but I want to go where the action is... :)
I see what you are saying, but the hallway (from the entrance) is on the left. When you enter the hallway, yes, take a right to the flower street. We are both right, just depends what perspective you have.
Ravensclaw
07-01-09, 12:04
Hi all,
Can anyone help with a contact for the Miraton hotel? I have been emailing their contact for over a week and have got no response, short of ringing them up to try and book a room not too sure what I can do.
Stayed in the Mahatton last time and I do not like staying in the swan lake area at all.
If board members have any other suggestions please let me know many thanks.
Fast Eddie 48
07-01-09, 16:30
Actually.... if you come early, you can turn left and then plant yourself at the first few seats of the bar area and watch the gals as they walk past from their 'staging area' to the flower street.
You get a chance to look at each one of them, as this passage way is sort of narrow and they usually file by one by one.
Make a mental note of which ones are do-able and then follow them to the flower street to make your final decision.
SEAJSEAJ,
If you wait and take note and wait to make a discision ,I already pick all the good one that why they called me Fast Eddie .
Fast Eddie 48
Also note that most "locals" will refuse to go Jia Yi and that most of the mongers who go there are from overseas/Hkg/Taiwan - and who wants to experience the "awe" of the flower street. And since this is the case, there is really no incentive for the gals to perform better in the hope of getting a regular client.
SEAJ
but before at least they had some quality. Now it can be very bad picking what quality they have evaporates in 5 minutes after they open and that is earlier and earlier - 5.30 i have seen people arrive now. I know their policy was for shock and awe, and i think their time has come and gone.
You can add americans to the list of people who go there as on 2 occasions did I solo there and was offered to join a group of americans (asian) cause they saw me hanging out and figured they'd throw me an invite and im always up for a party.
I tend not to pick the hottest girls.. they tend to have the worst attitude.. from my buddies on the board who've seen me pick.. they know I always go for attitude and spunk... it adds attractiveness and I know usually I have a good time later... of course I've been gravely disappointed in the past as well... sort of a bait and switch type of attitude... (or maybe it was just me :..( )...
-Jett
Agree on the hottest girls, they are often duds in personality and in bed. I also look for the smiling fun types, but a friend of mine prefers to choose the quiet, reserved, obidient types and has good success.. i am planning on trying that my next trip. he even tossed me one after he chose her, that he chose as quiet and reserved yet was also smiling fun type - still owe him for that...
Something nice about the obidient type and they are likely better in bed.
I agreed with you Toki jo. If you don't like her after you pick her. There is always another time to pick one you like more.
Some of the other bros I was with picked up to 4 just to play dice and cards, more money than sense if you ask me, but then its relative to how fat your wallet is and its only 200 each to sit. Some KTV's do offer 10 minutes decision time back in the lounges.
Dan Hawaii
07-01-09, 19:04
Hi all,
Can anyone help with a contact for the Miraton hotel? I have been emailing their contact for over a week and have got no response, short of ringing them up to try and book a room not too sure what I can do.
Stayed in the Mahatton last time and I do not like staying in the swan lake area at all.
If board members have any other suggestions please let me know many thanks.
Yo Raven,
if you go on a weekday, you should be able to walk in and book a room. If it is a weekend and/or Hong Kong Holiday, then yes, you should book in advance.
Dan Hawaii
07-01-09, 19:13
but before at least they had some quality. Now it can be very bad picking what quality they have evaporates in 5 minutes after they open and that is earlier and earlier - 5.30 i have seen people arrive now. I know their policy was for shock and awe, and i think their time has come and gone.
.
You nailed it! I must agree with you 99% about the quality part. Except for the "and i think their time has come and gone." I think they are still making big dollars and are still a competitor to be recond with. But in order for them to remain successful, they need to restructure and get better quality girls.
Wow, 5:30, geez, no wonder when I go there the quality is below average. I thought 6:30 was the on time arrival. Damn, I've been arriving late and only got the slim pickings.
Dan Hawaii
07-01-09, 19:16
Some of the other bros I was with picked up to 4 just to play dice and cards, more money than sense if you ask me, but then its relative to how fat your wallet is and its only 200 each to sit. Some KTV's do offer 10 minutes decision time back in the lounges.
I had the pleasure of partying with these kind of bros. Really amazed how they keep all their gals entertained. But, damn, they really know how to party.
2 gals are just right for me. Which brings me up to what I would like to call "The CP Dilemma"....... picking which girl to take back to your hotel ;)
It's a good Dilemma, because you know you have 2 winners and it's a close race... and you just don't know which girl is the better choice.
I had the pleasure of partying with these kind of bros. Really amazed how they keep all their gals entertained. But, damn, they really know how to party.
2 gals are just right for me. Which brings me up to what I would like to call "The CP Dilemma"....... picking which girl to take back to your hotel ;)
It's a good Dilemma, because you know you have 2 winners and it's a close race... and you just don't know which girl is the better choice.In this kind of situation I will pick the one who is most playful between the 2. It's once happen to me I pick the one who is most beautiful and not the playful one. Back to the hotel it proves to be a dead fish. From now on my decision don't based on looks anymore.
Jettsetter
07-02-09, 01:01
I had the pleasure of partying with these kind of bros. Really amazed how they keep all their gals entertained. But, damn, they really know how to party.
2 gals are just right for me. Which brings me up to what I would like to call "The CP Dilemma"....... picking which girl to take back to your hotel ;)
It's a good Dilemma, because you know you have 2 winners and it's a close race... and you just don't know which girl is the better choice.
So I have a few ideas on this age old problem. First of all, early in the night, you get both their numbers, so you have it in case anything happens (you never know - maybe they get sick or get drunk or they take off for whatever reason - not that you'd want them after they take off, but at least you have their number - and I always make sure their number works - i.e. call your phone from theirs - best way to do it)...
Next, after I am thoroughly done interviewing and spending some QT with each (meaning that my buddies pick up the slack and keep the other occupied) - and get to "know" them a bit better, i finally decide on the chicken dinner (i mean winner) for the night...
Generally, If I like them both, I'll make arrangements to meet the next one the next day (perhaps a nooner) or to take out tomorrow night... so at the end of the day, I get to have my cake AND eat it too... Just send the other one out early enough, and if you really care about what they think you just tell the one you sent out earlier that you didn't go home with anybody (yah right!) - but most of the time, they know and understand the drill.
I mean i'm not dating them and don't have loyalties to them... I just don't flaunt the X numbers of of girls I've had for the past few days in front of them. It's a basic "don't ask, don't tell" policy. And they usually don't ask... so it really never becomes an issue...
How great is it to be a guy?!!
Hope to see you boys in August...
-Jett
Of course it all depends whether or not you want to spend the extra RMB. I almost always get 2 babes to party with. First I start out just having fun and seeing which of them really seem to dig me. After awhile I'll start sampling the goods. I'll grab some tit, grab some ass, run my hands up her skirt. See what kind of response I get. Obviously, if she doesn't go for that then its time to kick her out. Eventually, I'll just straight out ask her if she will do "X". By this time I've usually decided which one I like best and I want to make sure she will do what I want her to do. If not, then I'll ask the other one if she will do "X". Usually I'll find at least one that is good to go. If not, then boot them both and go sauna.
Bigboobman007
07-02-09, 10:37
Hi Guys,
I'll be in CA/CP from 5-11 July and off for a few days in between. Anybody around care to party together especially the NAKED KTV in CA??
Guys who never been to CA naked ktv should really try. It will BLOW your mind. Really, CA is really worth promoting.
Cheers
Big Swingin Dave
07-02-09, 12:22
Of course it all depends whether or not you want to spend the extra RMB. I almost always get 2 babes to party with. First I start out just having fun and seeing which of them really seem to dig me. After awhile I'll start sampling the goods. I'll grab some tit, grab some ass, run my hands up her skirt. See what kind of response I get. Obviously, if she doesn't go for that then its time to kick her out. Eventually, I'll just straight out ask her if she will do "X". By this time I've usually decided which one I like best and I want to make sure she will do what I want her to do. If not, then I'll ask the other one if she will do "X". Usually I'll find at least one that is good to go. If not, then boot them both and go sauna.L. A. Dude's method is pretty much fail safe. A lot of guys really are too much of a gentlemen in the KTV room. Mostly because of inexperience because I was very much the same before as well until SEA Joe, Wadman, SlowerBetter, and other veteran KTVers showed me the ropes. I think Wadman has the best gauge in terms of whether a KTV girl will be fun for the evening or not, it's call the "Wadman test" but it's probably not too appropriate to mention it here so if/when any of you ISG brothers come to CP, we will let you know then or if you can't wait, PM me and I will let you know.
In regards to picking two girls, there are times when you like both girls and you can't decide which one to take back to your hotel, in that instance you can do the "Jimmy" or the "Half-Jimmy", in both instances you will be able to enjoy both girls, the only dilemma is which girl to "do" first. I will explain the "Jimmy" and the "Half-Jmmy" at a later time but this term is named after our legendary ISG member SlowerBetter.
CP is known for young fresh girls fresh out of the farm/factory so your chance of having a great KTV girl-experience is hit or miss unless you yourself is experienced in selecting girls. The best way to learn is to be able to go with veteran ISG members which will you take a lot of the guess work out of the way and ensure yourself a great time. At least most of the time out.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
07-03-09, 00:33
I'se gotta laugh.... here I am...again sitting at a Starbucks - on Melrose this time... and reading about the quandry and/or how to choose amongst gals....whilst I am completely high and dry in the Good Ole You Ass Ay!!
How I wish I could have the same problem RIGHT NOW!!
And what else is funny? I'm trying to organize a small get together for us including Slower Better, Jettsetter, BC 2000 etc - who I know damn good and well are also suffering from "withdrawal pains!!" and stewing in L.A.!! JEEEEEEZZZ!!!
Yesterday my good buddy took me to one of those "apartments" in Monterey Park and had the "privilege" (\errr, erm ...yes...) of partaking of a US$120 - yup, US$120, plus US$10 tip nonetheless - (or 4 BBS gal, or 7 Night market gal )- genuine, bona fide China import WG!! Had a grand choice of 3 gals - one ugly, another uglier and a third one Old and ugly!! UGHH>>>
Oh well, desperate times calls for desperate measure and I had to do IT!! Actually, even though she wouldn't be chosen by ANYBODY in CP, she did give me quite good service!! But then again - I've been dry for the past 2 weeks and I guess anything is acceptable!! And as old as she is - of course she was well experienced enough to give good service!!
Cain't wait to get back home next week!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-03-09, 00:56
Originally Posted by Jettsetter
I tend not to pick the hottest girls.. they tend to have the worst attitude.. from my buddies on the board who've seen me pick.. they know I always go for attitude and spunk... it adds attractiveness and I know usually I have a good time later... of course I've been gravely disappointed in the past as well... sort of a bait and switch type of attitude... (or maybe it was just me :..( )...
Agree on the hottest girls, they are often duds in personality and in bed. I also look for the smiling fun types, but a friend of mine prefers to choose the quiet, reserved, obidient types and has good success.. i am planning on trying that my next trip. he even tossed me one after he chose her, that he chose as quiet and reserved yet was also smiling fun type - still owe him for that...
Something nice about the obidient type and they are likely better in bed.
Actually..... I don't agree with this. Of course everybody's got their own "choices, methods, preferences etc" but for me, I like to choose the best looking ones. Ugly or beautiful, they ALL take an effort and it's only one's own attitude and D'ruthers' as to if the evening is gonna be a fun evening or not.
On top of that I like the 'game" of breaking a gal down - and the better looking one, yes I do agree,the harder it is to break - But MAN - the "rewards" are so much better!! For one, she IS better looking and secondly - since not many guys would have succeeded in "breaking her down" she really becomes a "wet and wild" one.
Oh of course there had been times - (many times perhaps??) when I would not succeed in "breaking" a gal down - but even those times - its still worthed, as in any case, you STILL got a super good looking gal that's screwing you/you screwing. What's wrong with THAT?? Even if she was a dead fish - for after all, there are for sure/definitely/no doubt in my mind at all - that an ugly gal can also be a dead fish!!
Look-it -you're PAYING in any case, and its your choice (and effort) if you're gonna have fun or not!
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
07-03-09, 03:45
Actually. I don't agree with this. Of course everybody's got their own "choices, methods, preferences etc" but for me, I like to choose the best looking ones. Ugly or beautiful, they ALL take an effort and it's only one's own attitude and D'ruthers' as to if the evening is gonna be a fun evening or not.
On top of that I like the 'game" of breaking a gal down. And the better looking one, yes I do agree, the harder it is to break. But MAN. The "rewards" are so much better! For one, she IS better looking and secondly. Since not many guys would have succeeded in "breaking her down" she really becomes a "wet and wild" one.
Oh of course there had been times. (many times perhaps? ) when I would not succeed in "breaking" a gal down. But even those times. Its still worthed, as in any case, you STILL got a super good looking gal that's screwing you/you screwing. What's wrong with THAT? Even if she was a dead fish. For after all, there are for sure/definitely/no doubt in my mind at all. That an ugly gal can also be a dead fish!
Joe,
You have more time and experience (bad in most cases.) than others. Most ISG brothers that come and play do not have the luxury of time like you (living so close to pararadise.). You can afford a bad miss here and there but the other guys have limited time to party and they want to get the best bang for their buck. Also, when you have invested 6 to 7 hours of your time with the WG already, the last thing you want is a deadfish or saltyfish in your room. I myself have now shy away from the pretty ones and have picked WGs with loving and fun attitudes instead. The pretty ones always tend to be more attentive to their SMS then on you. I have to give credit to Jetsetter, most of the girls he pick are fun to party with. Jim_Traveller on the other hand is just like you, all he cares is looks. Regardless of what everyone say, they will still pick their girls according to their standards and requirements but the more you do it, the more you will know who you should pick, and the better chance you will have but of course, there is always another day in paradise. CP is great, "too many girls, too little time."
BSD
L. A. Dude's method is pretty much fail safe. A lot of guys really are too much of a gentlemen in the KTV room. Mostly because of inexperience because I was very much the same before as well until SEA Joe, Wadman, SlowerBetter, and other veteran KTVers showed me the ropes. I think Wadman has the best gauge in terms of whether a KTV girl will be fun for the evening or not, it's call the "Wadman test" but it's probably not too appropriate to mention it here so if/when any of you ISG brothers come to CP, we will let you know then or if you can't wait, PM me and I will let you know.
In regards to picking two girls, there are times when you like both girls and you can't decide which one to take back to your hotel, in that instance you can do the "Jimmy" or the "Half-Jimmy", in both instances you will be able to enjoy both girls, the only dilemma is which girl to "do" first. I will explain the "Jimmy" and the "Half-Jmmy" at a later time but this term is named after our legendary ISG member SlowerBetter.
CP is known for young fresh girls fresh out of the farm/factory so your chance of having a great KTV girl-experience is hit or miss unless you yourself is experienced in selecting girls. The best way to learn is to be able to go with veteran ISG members which will you take a lot of the guess work out of the way and ensure yourself a great time. At least most of the time out.
BSDYo Dave. Tell me what the "Jimmy" and "Half Jimmy" is. I had this dilemma the last time I was in CP on the 1st day. I ended up taking the one I liked best and was very satisfied. I got the other one's number and called her a couple of days later. That was great too. Is there a better method?
Dan Hawaii
07-03-09, 12:14
Had a grand choice of 3 gals - one ugly, another uglier and a third one Old and ugly!! UGHH>>>
I've been dry for the past 2 weeks and I guess anything is acceptable!!
SEAJ
We call that "fugly" (fucking ugly).
Oh poor Mr. SEAJ is high and dry for 2 weeks. Try staying high and dry for 4 - 8 months at a time. Then we can talk...... 2 weeks give me a break and GTFO. ;) Just kidding bro, we know you spoiled and having hard times, I feel ya. You just having "CP withdrawls" or "CP post dramatic syndrome". Hahaha.
Dan Hawaii
07-03-09, 12:39
Actually..... I don't agree with this. Of course everybody's got their own "choices, methods, preferences etc" but for me, I like to choose the best looking ones. Ugly or beautiful, they ALL take an effort and it's only one's own attitude and D'ruthers' as to if the evening is gonna be a fun evening or not.
On top of that I like the 'game" of breaking a gal down - and the better looking one, yes I do agree,the harder it is to break - But MAN - the "rewards" are so much better!! For one, she IS better looking and secondly - since not many guys would have succeeded in "breaking her down" she really becomes a "wet and wild" one.
Oh of course there had been times - (many times perhaps??) when I would not succeed in "breaking" a gal down - but even those times - its still worthed, as in any case, you STILL got a super good looking gal that's screwing you/you screwing. What's wrong with THAT?? Even if she was a dead fish - for after all, there are for sure/definitely/no doubt in my mind at all - that an ugly gal can also be a dead fish!!
Look-it -you're PAYING in any case, and its your choice (and effort) if you're gonna have fun or not!
SEAJ
I got to agree with you, ole wise one. I'm pretty sure my standards are low because I'm just so estatic to be in CP, but during my last 2 trips there, I hardly had a miss in the ktv. And I base my choices on looks 101% of the time. On my last 2 trips, I always had fun and never had a saltyfish. And we hit the ktv almost every night.
I think I have settled down and stopped challenging the girls to see who is the stronger drinker. I used to taunt them and that's where they get offensive and I lose the happy girl. So for my last several trips, I just play the dice games and the 0,5,10,15,20 game and get love from both girls. I also stopped gropping and molesting the girls in the ktv room. I go the "I respect you", cause I want you as my girlfriend, gentleman act.
I think this route works for me, because I don't care if I get a deadfish, atleast she is a hot gorgeous deadfish that is not unhappy to fuck me. Sometimes they are sad to leave because I want only ST. So atleast I know they don't mind sleeping and snuggling next to me, and to make love with me 1 more time, to make the extra 300rmb for LT. ;)
Pointpanic
07-03-09, 14:54
i appreciate your observation joe. reminds me of the time that bill lee took me on a bbs tour in new york which had quite a number of apartments rep001tered through out the neighborhood with genuine bbs china girls usually in groups of 3-5 which i would rate 3-6 if we were lucky. new york prices were $120, $20 tip 2nd pop $200. got a real cutie, nicole with bill entertaining the mommy while watching hong kong soaps in the next room. bill later made her a regular to his home on a regular basis. she was here as a student from weizhou in guangdong at 23 yo. i understand there is some genuine china action on spring mountain rd in vegas also. chicago may also be available but i have never figured out the bay area. pp
i'se gotta laugh.... here i am...again sitting at a starbucks - on melrose this time... and reading about the quandry and/or how to choose amongst gals....whilst i am completely high and dry in the good ole you ass ay!!
yesterday my good buddy took me to one of those "apartments" in monterey park and had the "privilege" (\errr, erm ...yes...) of partaking of a us$120 - yup, us$120, plus us$10 tip nonetheless - (or 4 bbs gal, or 7 night market gal )- genuine, bona fide china import wg!! had a grand choice of 3 gals - one ugly, another uglier and a third one old and ugly!! ughh>>>
cain't wait to get back home next week!!
seaj
Jettsetter
07-03-09, 22:21
i appreciate your observation joe. reminds me of the time that bill lee took me on a bbs tour in new york which had quite a number of apartments rep001tered through out the neighborhood with genuine bbs china girls usually in groups of 3-5 which i would rate 3-6 if we were lucky. new york prices were $120, $20 tip 2nd pop $200. got a real cutie, nicole with bill entertaining the mommy while watching hong kong soaps in the next room. bill later made her a regular to his home on a regular basis. she was here as a student from weizhou in guangdong at 23 yo. i understand there is some genuine china action on spring mountain rd in vegas also. chicago may also be available but i have never figured out the bay area. pp
joe, why are you you ruining the la market by giving a $10 tip???
us asians in la don't give tips for $120 service... why you trying to be a bsd in la?! hahaha...
joe, you went to the wrong place... i'll find a nice korean gal for you in the local area that you'll have a much better time with... korean girls are hot hot hot!!
too bad they're kind of bitchy...
oh well.. guess i can't have it all.
Big Swingin Dave
07-04-09, 02:35
Yo Dave. Tell me what the "Jimmy" and "Half Jimmy" is. I had this dilemma the last time I was in CP on the 1st day. I ended up taking the one I liked best and was very satisfied. I got the other one's number and called her a couple of days later. That was great too. Is there a better method?The "Jimmy" and the "Half Jimmy" is named after the legendary ISG member SlowerBetter which I have personally witnessed many times but not man enough to try ... yet.
The "Jimmy" is where he takes a KTV girl from another KTV to a KTV where he is partying that night where he will select a second girl from that KTV. Within the first hour of interviews and foreplay, if he likes both of the girls, he would take the one he likes less to his room for ST then return to the KTV and take the second girl out for either ST or keep her LT.
The "Half Jimmy" is basically the same, the only difference is that he picks both girls from the same KTV.
If any of you have the priviledge of partying with him then you will totally understand the reasoning of the "Jimmy" and the "Half Jimmy".
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
07-04-09, 04:27
Joe, why are you you ruining the LA market by giving a $10 tip???
Us Asians in La don't give tips for $120 service... Why you trying to be a BSD in LA?! hahaha...
Joe, you went to the wrong place... I'll find a nice Korean gal for you in the local area that you'll have a much better time with... Korean girls are HOT HOT HOT!!
Too bad they're kind of bitchy...
oh well.. guess I can't have it all.Jettsetter,
I think LA and NY is the most expensive city in the US ,all the high class escort that charge by the minute ,I think the cheapest big city for mongering is portland OR and Altanta GA you can still get FS from young sw for 60 usd.
I have not P4p in the US for over 10 yr since I do travel oversea alot ,do most of my mongerng there ,10 usd tip is really nothing here but in PP cambodia it get you a all nighter .
fast eddie 48
Hey SEAJ,
Don't come up in Northern California if you are going to be such a big tipper. We do not need BSD to ruin our market. He do not tip but rather deduct $$$ from the girls if they do not perform well, I usually deduct $$$ for a hairy pussy. For a smooth pussy, I usually give them just a smile and tell them to keep it smooth. That is Std Op Procedure here.
Btw, a couple of your home girls has gone to the smooth side. I swear I did not encourage them. I'm sure it you want au naturel, I'm sure I could find a cousin of bigfoot for you.
If you are headed north, PM me.
William Santana
07-04-09, 07:47
Hello,
I am new to this board. This will be my 2nd visit to China. The 1st time in GZ was disastrous, and ripped off by taxi touts. Lucky I found this board with plenty of information. So, this time I will be armed with a GPS, Pimsleur Mandarin Lessons CD1, some chapters from CD2, and some useful Chinese phrases provided in this ISG forum not available in other text books.
I will be in China this month and staying long time, so I will have plenty of time to monger. So, any help will be appreciated.
I have been reading the ISG reports, and found out that there are many BBS scams in the Changping area. The BBS in Changping are not like other places. They are hidden and one will need the mommy to take us to their "secret place" . And there are many warnings to NOT follow anyone to places that we are not familiar or isolated. Many mamasans are part of this scam to lead us to empty apartment and then send some guys to rob us. So, my question is:
1) how can I identify who is the real mamasan and the fake scammer ? Some board member said to ask for their business card, but any other helpful information ??
2) Or, for a 1st timer is better to stay off the BBS or street, and just stick to Sauna ? I don't drink alcohol, and I will be traveling alone, so KTV is not my thing.
Thanks for any help.
Big Swingin Dave
07-04-09, 19:27
Ever since Mayflower / Wan Yi KTV opened last week, most of the KTVs in town are offering discounts. Swan Lake is offering 10RMB per bottle of beer before 10pm. The Red Lion and PP have banners up offering other discounts.
Went to Manhattan tonight with 4 other guys. It was last minute and normally on a Saturday, it would have been almost impossible to get a room at any of the larger KTVs in town but when I called the Manhattan, their medium size room was available. Normally, it would have cost 988 minimum charge but we got it for 688 plus the 10% service charge and 200 DJ fee, we paid just a tad under 200RMB each for 6 plus hours of fun including drinks, snacks, and they threw in a Mahjohn table to boot. All of the KTVs are pretty much suffering, most notably, JY which is almost diagonally across from Mayflower.
BSD
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1) how can I identify who is the real mamasan and the fake scammer ? Some board member said to ask for their business card, but any other helpful information ??
2) Or, for a 1st timer is better to stay off the BBS or street, and just stick to Sauna ? I don't drink alcohol, and I will be traveling alone, so KTV is not my thing.
Considering the many warnings over a few months, these are very reasonable questions. In the Yalan area, the mama/runners take you to BBS (upstairs from restaurant, upstairs from storefront, first floor doors, etc.) and not usually apartment buildings. If you don't know them, don't follow into a residential looking building. Very quickly, you will get to know a few people you can trust and build the network from there.
In the HuiMei alleys, many of the BBS are also behind storefronts, and you can follow to the backrooms. Sometimes they take you through the alley entrance still on the ground floor, though... Again, don't follow anyone into an apartment complex. (there are some BBS in a high rise, so no rule covers every situation)
The best thing would be to build up some friends, or your own group of trusted runners/shops since you will be there a long time.
BTW, saunas are great, and not a bad way to spend a few weeks. HuiMei alley pricing is RMB 150, Yalan is RMB 200. Cheers, have fun and welcome to the board.
Big Swingin Dave
07-05-09, 02:04
Yue Hua Hotel is across the street from the Yalan Area. They are having a special on their footie and body massage. Normally the footie is 45RMB for 80 minutes, now is 30RMB and the body massage is 150RMB for 90 minutes, now is 100RMB BUT.
I didn't try the footie but the body massage girl is super agressive when she is servicing you telling you that they do not get paid if you stick to a regular massage, they work on tips only so if they give you a happy ending with HJ, then it is 50RMB tip, no top massage is 100RMB tip, full service is 200RMB tip, plus the 100 RMB (10RMB more for the cleaning fee) room charge. Needless to say, the girls are super friendly and it is fun just to get them to the point of begging.
Happy ending to everyone!
BSD
I'm around...you have pm.
Hi Guys,
I'll be in CA/CP from 5-11 July and off for a few days in between. Anybody around care to party together especially the NAKED KTV in CA??
Guys who never been to CA naked ktv should really try. It will BLOW your mind. Really, CA is really worth promoting.
Cheers
How about the quality of the girls? I might check it out later tonight.
Yue Hua Hotel is across the street from the Yalan Area. They are having a special on their footie and body massage. Normally the footie is 45RMB for 80 minutes, now is 30RMB and the body massage is 150RMB for 90 minutes, now is 100RMB BUT.
I didn't try the footie but the body massage girl is super agressive when she is servicing you telling you that they do not get paid if you stick to a regular massage, they work on tips only so if they give you a happy ending with HJ, then it is 50RMB tip, no top massage is 100RMB tip, full service is 200RMB tip, plus the 100 RMB (10RMB more for the cleaning fee) room charge. Needless to say, the girls are super friendly and it is fun just to get them to the point of begging.
Happy ending to everyone!
BSD
Playboy2000
07-05-09, 10:55
Ever since Mayflower / Wan Yi KTV opened last week, most of the KTVs in town are offering discounts. Swan Lake is offering 10RMB per bottle of beer before 10pm. The Red Lion and PP have banners up offering other discounts.
BSD
With the Mayflower monopolizing so many girls, do the other KTVs have any girls left. I would imagine that the staffing is down by 50% at JiaYi, PP, Swan Lake, etc?
Arrived Guangzhou airport and took a bus to the city then to CP today. Arrived CP Shang Yuan hotel and checked in. Hotel it self has Sauna on 2nd and 3rd floors. Didn't try them but the girls looked amazing.
Instead, my buddy and I went to Silver Star. Silver Star is right next to CP Hospital, which is right next to the BBS street. Some 20 girls or more working around 5PM. Was quoted 465 for 2 hrs including room. Girl looked amazing so I did not bargain anymore.
The room was ok, nothing to brag about. The shower room is smal but enough to fit 2 plus getting a BJ. Left shower and went on to the main course, lasted 2 rounds then paid and left.
Immediately after walking out of the the swarms of mamasan(touts) came rushing immediately guiding us to a small alley to the left of Silver Star. Entered into a room where some 15 girls were sitting. Immediately was given the menu. Started at 300RMB for quick meal or 500RMB for LT. Some of the girls looked really good, picked another girl and paid for 450 LT. (paid mamasan 100 and the rest to the girl when the girl leaves)
Tee girls were mostly new and wasn't as experienced as the girls in the Sauna. But she was pretty kinky, atleast. Was told by the girl that they often gets taken to KTV.
Me and my buddy are still in CP till Wed morning. If anyone need a hand let me know. PM me your #.
Big Swingin Dave
07-06-09, 00:35
How about the quality of the girls? I might check it out later tonight.Quality of the girls are 5s at best. Looks not so great but great attitudes, service and price but remember to string them along then finally let them perform the extra service on you which will give you a better experience.
BSD
Jaimito Cartero
07-06-09, 10:16
I've made it to Hong Kong, and had a few minutes to reflect on my 13 days or so in CP.
The first few days I was there, I wasn't feeling well. I think I got some bad snails in HKG before I went to CP. After feeling better, I contacted Dave (BSD) for a tour. SEAJ recommended him, and I thought the price for the tour was reasonable.
He helped me move to the Swan Lake Hotel from the May Flower. While the MF room is a little nicer, the location of the SLH is superior. Also, the 198 rate was very reasonable.
I ate next door to the Swan Lake every day, and never had a bad meal. Of course, I had to be inventive to get something that I really wanted to eat. If I found something good, I'd take a picture of it, (and the bill) and then be able to show it for the next time. Most days I ate 1-2 times a day, so tended to have larger meals. I spent 35-55rmb, which I thought was good.
We went on a walking tour of the BBS' in the neighborhood. Lots of interesting ladies there. I finally selected one from a BBS/KTV place, Rainbow, I think. 100+100.
Later that night we went out to eat with some friends, which was a nice change to see some different food, and then went off to a movie. I was tired by this point, so didn't do the Nightmarket at that time.
Dave was a big help during the trip. I had a real hard time communicating in Dongguan. I've been to 46 countries or so, and usually the English, Spanish, or the other few languages I know a little of, is enough to get my by. Even with my Lonely Planet Mandarin phrasebook/dictionary, it was challenging.
If I can, I'll post some more detailed reports, as well as u/l some pictures I have. If not this week, then next, when I make it back to the states.
Wouldn't worry about that so much. The girls will all be somewhere. What does it matter if they are all at one KTV? Besides, its the new cool thing but after that wears off, things will go back to normal. I am BIG on Jia Yi and I can't imagine that place being empty. I know these things go in cycles but the point is that if one places goes down another comes up to take its place. The names simply change. That all being said, what is the scouting report on Mayflower? Is the quality at Jia Yi really that down?
With the Mayflower monopolizing so many girls, do the other KTVs have any girls left. I would imagine that the staffing is down by 50% at JiaYi, PP, Swan Lake, etc?
Big Swingin Dave
07-08-09, 01:54
Wouldn't worry about that so much. The girls will all be somewhere. What does it matter if they are all at one KTV? Besides, its the new cool thing but after that wears off, things will go back to normal. I am BIG on Jia Yi and I can't imagine that place being empty. I know these things go in cycles but the point is that if one places goes down another comes up to take its place. The names simply change. That all being said, what is the scouting report on Mayflower? Is the quality at Jia Yi really that down?The scouting report on Mayflower is that the quantity of girls is continually increasing, estimate that the count now at approximately 1, 200 on Friday and Saturday nights, 700. 800 on Sunday/Wednesday/Thursday nights and 500. 600 on Monday/Tuesday nights; however, the quality of girls have not. I have been there on 6 separate occasions now and discovered that the best cause of action is to be there early. Ladies report to work at 6pm and flower street reaches it's peak at around 6:45pm, the top tier girls will be gone most likely by 6:30pm so the key is to get there early and if you are lucky you will get the stunners. I have started to keep a record of a few of them and will share them with the ISG brothers when they are in town. I have also made arrangements with a few mommies to let guys in our reserved KTV room to view their girls before they go to the flower street but that requires the guys to get to the KTV by 6pm. Just PM me when you are in town and I will make the special arrangements for you.
BSD
Report 2.
Day 2 in CP - Left the hotel room late in the afternoon, walked around the town and decided to go to Mayflower late, around 7:30ish. Got to Mayflower and endured a 30 minute high pressure push and shove from the different groups of Mamis. They just try way to hard. Even after picking your girl the waves of more mamis coming into the room trying to get you to get 3 more girls is just way too ridiculous. Had to complain to management about it.
The drinks at Mayflower costs slightly higher than other KTV I have been to. Aboslute starting at 480. But I could tell it was real and not the fake stuff you get in Panyu. Had 3 bottles along with lots of food dishes and chasers for 1.6k a fairly standard KTV cost. The complain to the manager gave us alot of food I guess.
So the girl that I picked was not a stunner, a 7 at most. But she was from my favorite place, Chongqing. The rest of the night was some what of a blur. I recall beating both mamis of the 68th group on the dice games. And I must add, the mami of 68th group are stunners!! Specially the short hair one.
Anyways, after the KTV took girl back to hotel, standard 5 for quicky and 8 for all night. If you didn't want to take the girl home then it would be just 3. But then, the night came to a halt when the girl I took back decided to take a quad shot of Jack Daniels I brought from LA. She was pretty messed up to begin with, and that quad shot just floor-ed her and she was puking and crying. Had to carry her back down stairs and on to a taxi all the way to taking her home LOL. on man her aunty was piiised off. Gave her a 3 since we didn't do anything.
My buddy on the other hand, picked a very nice girl but some where in the middle of the night she told me that it was her period etc. My friend was upset and the usual story. Give her 1 bill to disappear and she did.
Over all a good night. But before my girl completely passed out she gave me the scoop in mayflower. at 5PM all girls, some 2000 of them are lined up for customers to pick. At 6PM the line up breaks apart into group. The more experienced girls did not come to Mayflower, instead they stayed behind. Girls working in Mayflower are mostly 6 and 7s. Mayflower has alot of customer, but they have not been able to fill all the rooms yet. The Flu scare is still keeping the HK and Japanese groups away.
If you really want to goto KTV, please pick up a girl near the Cp hospital and take her there. No point taking girls from kTV as they are more expensive but with the same quality.
By the way, picked up a few Oysters in shenzhen. AAA quality, clear back cover, smooth movement with pendulum and partial clear front window. Could have fooled me. got it at the smashing price of 300rmb.
Report CP Day 3
Tuesday was a blast.
Around 4:30 went to silver star, selection of girls were below 6. Left and was stormed by Touts near silver star. Went into one of them and found a girl that was AMAZINGLY HOT!!!. She was 5' 10", slim, with a good rack, long hair and was wearing club attire. She was, once again, drop dead pretty!!!
But however. she was way too new and didn't really want to come back with me to the hotel. I was able to drag her back to my hotel but she didn't want to do anything. Just wanted to leave. So had to swap her out. Called the mami and had her come out here with 2 other girls in exchange. Paid for LT.
The 2 girls that I got were friends and were really good with 3-some. If you plan on getting 2 girls, please remember to try to get 2 girls that have had experience before. Some times girls might not mix and you will end up with a not so good session.
Interesting enough, my buddy picked up 3 girls and one of the girls was drunk by the time she got to our rooms. Immediately she challenged me to a shot by shot battle of the bottle of Jack I had on my table. 4 shots later (or about 5 minutes) she was really drunk. I am just really bad with names so I don't know what her name was. But she was from the same group of girls that we tooked the rest from, the shop to the right hand side of the alley right next to the Silver Star. The girl that I am talking about has dyed blond short hair, white skin, loves to drink and smoke. About a C cup 5' 4". Very, good in bed. Not sure how it would sound, but she drank her self to a point that she had no clue what she was doing. But warning, she bites and does use her nails. So becareful. She does not have a cellphone, but if you pass by ask for the girl that likes to drink and fight. I think most of all the BBS girls will know which one you are talking about. We both had her at 2 bills each.
In total, we had 5 girls for day 3.
I have digits to the huge BBS area and to Silver Star if anyone need. Also have digits to the mamis of Group 68 of Mayflower. Absolute stunners.
Going to pickup more girls and might be going to PP since its our last night here.
FYI - the rooms holding the girls each hold about 20 girls and girls keeps coming in and out. Between the 2 rooms plus Yalan KTV, there are maybe about 60+ girls between 1 and 6. After 6PM the girls are pushed to KTV. So if you want to pick up the best girls, get there by 5ish. Most girls that arrive around 5PM are dressed for KTV.
Big Swingin Dave
07-08-09, 16:28
Report 2.
Anyways, after the KTV took girl back to hotel, standard 5 for quicky and 8 for all night. If you didn't want to take the girl home then it would be just 3. But then, the night came to a halt when the girl I took back decided to take a quad shot of Jack Daniels I brought from LA. She was pretty messed up to begin with, and that quad shot just floor-ed her and she was puking and crying. Had to carry her back down stairs and on to a taxi all the way to taking her home LOL. On man her aunty was piiised off. Gave her a 3 since we didn't do anything.The sit down fee is 200RMB not 300RMB, did you get scammed or are you being a BSD?
A lot of KTV girls get drunk or pretends to be drunk intentionally because they don't want to out with customers that don't like. This is a common tactic and most "nice" guys fall for this trick. Any girls you like you should prevent from getting drunk; otherwise, they have a perfect excuse not to go out with you.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-08-09, 16:47
The Mei Bao Sauna is located on the 4th floor of the newly remodeled Swan Lake Shopping Center.
The Sauna rooms are nice with water massage bed inside the bath room. The room charge is $38 but with advance reservation, the room fee is waved. PM me if you need the manager's name and contact number.
Ladies are classified in 5 categories (price in RMB):
1) Stewardess (460)
2) Nurse (500)
3) Hunteress (550)
4) Nightgown (550)
5) Models (600)
They have the Plus 1 service. For additional hour of service add 50% of original cost.
This place is the only 24 Sauna in town. The ladies comes to work in 4 shifts: 12am, 2pm, 4pm, and 7pm. So, the most girls are at 7pm when all 4 shifts of girls are working at the same time.
This place have a runway show on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday at 7pm and 10pm, Sunday at 10pm only. The first 10 customers that pick girls qualify for instant discount. 3 lucky winners will get 150RMB discounts, 3 more lucky winners will get 100RMB discounts, the remaining 4 will get 50RMB discounts.
The quality of the girls are mediocre, I went to the 7pm show and saw approximately 50 girls and found only 5 possible candidates.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-08-09, 16:59
Cp is hot as in temperature hot but it is also hot in terms of being very popular these days. Have not really seen the effect of the economic crisis since started coming here about 8 months ago. Today I tried to help a friend book a room at the Swan Lake hotel and was amazed to be told that there are no more rooms left and had been put on the waiting list with 14 people in front of me. The old building of the Swan Lake hotel is being renovated so only the 7th, 8th, and 9th floor of the new building are available. Also, Swan Lake is the cheapest big hotel on the Swan Lake road which include hotels like the Clipper, Manhattan, Jia Yi, and Mayflower. I was still able to book a room at the Clipper but I suggest anyone coming to CP especially on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday to book their rooms at least one week in advance.
Also be on the lookout of scammers. The place is starting to feel unsafe. I think many people are getting desperate, especially the taxi drivers and the 3 wheel peddlers. Most than one instance today, someone try to get more money than they should normally get. Another ISG brother the other day almost got scammed by a Swan Lake KTV girl, her trying to get an extra 50RMB for short time. So, brothers, please be careful and the best course of action is to not go mongering alone.
BSD
At some hotels they charge an one time fee, I recall something like 3-5 RMB. It’s a little coupon some hotels use. It is charged only once when you check in and not on a daily basis. They told me it was for insurance. I asked a few receptionists at a few hotels and each time they didn’t know exactly or I didn’t understand them. Does anyone know what’s the insurance for? What does it cover ?
Insurance in the Hotel in China is to cover for the case if anything happens to you during your stay there, they will be covered for all the payment to the hotel. Anything consumed (including your hotel fees) will be paid by the insurance company in case you disappears before paying.
Also, it is suppose to cover for any lost of property (yours) while you are staying in the hotel. However I read the insurance contract with the hotel once (In Chinese of course!) , It stated that: "All payment of claims will be made to the Hotel and the it is the Hotel's reponsibility to reimburse their cient for the lost." Knowing the culture of Chinese in China, they will most likely to keep the payment as part of thir extra revenue...!
Cheers!
AG
I got a PM from AG about my question on insurance. It seems like if I left and didn't pay my bill, the insurance will cover it.
Then it seems like if something was stolen from my room or I found my room trashed the insurance should cover it too.
Next time when I am in China, I will ask again.
I got a PM from AG about my question on insurance. It seems like if I left and didn't pay my bill, the insurance will cover it.
Then it seems like if something was stolen from my or I found my room trashed the insurance should cover it too.
Next time when I am in China, I will ask again.
I've ridden the ferry a number of times between the terminal under the Royal Pacific Hotel at Tsim Sha Tsui and the Fu Yong terminal at the ShenZhen airport. I have noticed a small charge for "insurance" tacked onto the ticket price when returning to Hong Kong. You can refuse it if you notice it in time.
Can't figure out what it is for, because I did not have any opportunity to mail the receipt to anybody before getting on the ferry, nor even to write down a beneficiary in their rocords. If the boat had sunk, my survivors would have known nothing about the policy. Since I had paid my fare, the insurance would not likely have paid out to the ferry company for any loss.
Could the insurance just have covered their costs of hauling my carcass out of the water?
Playboy2000
07-09-09, 02:54
The Mei Bao Sauna is located on the 4th floor of the newly remodeled Swan Lake Shopping Center.
BSD
Sounds like fun. Is the SWL Shopping Center near the SWL Hotel?
Sounds like fun. Is the SWL Shopping Center near the SWL Hotel?
The SWL shopping centre is pretty much across the street from JiaYi hotel (the hotel, not KTV). It's on SWL road.
Paid street parking in CP
CP has a new wrinkle to it now. It's another example of: the worse business gets, the more the establishment (city) needs to squeeze the remaining customers because they are desperate for money. Read on...
Just about everywhere in Dongguan, parking is free. Some really busy malls may charge, but often even those do not.
CP used to have paid parking on the major streets in town, which is fair enough. Considering the amount of traffic and number of cars, you would never find a parking spot if parking was free.
Slowly over time, CP started to spread the paid parking streets, until it was well away from the major areas. Paid parking was no longer done to control traffic and wildcat parking, it was a money-generating operation.
I was in CP last week. Amazingly, every street parking spot has a number now! You can no longer pay as you go (used to be 5 rmb for the first hour, 1 rmb/hour thereafter). You have to buy a card, from which your parking charges will be deducted. These cards come in 50 and 100 rmb denominations. (It's now 3 rmb/hour, for every hour) This amounts to having to buy a club membership just so you can park on the street! What a load of crap! I am not sure I have seen this anywhere else in the world. They are obviously hoping and counting on the fact that most people (especially non-locals) that buy such a card will never use all of it. So more free money for the city.
I was there with AndyCrazier and MongerXXX. We were going to have lunch at the BBQ goose restaurant (up the street from Mito's), but when informed of the new parking rules, I told the parking guard that we were going to eat there, but will not because of the parking. Told her to pass the info along to owner of the restaurant. If enough people do this, I am sure the business owners will hear about it.
We left and went to a Hunan restaurant (a bit east of HuiMei hotel). Same deal with streetparking spaces, all had numbers on them. The parking guard said that paid street parking will not be enforced in that area until October, and even then, the restaurant will pay for the parking (if you patronise the place). So we stayed and had lunch there of course.
It's not so much the parking charges. Or the 50/100 rmb amount for the card. It's just that it's absurd having to buy a membership just to park on the street. I will probably use all the money on it, as I go to CP enough. Not sure I want to carry the card on my though.
Big Swingin Dave
07-09-09, 08:47
Sounds like fun. Is the SWL Shopping Center near the SWL Hotel?SWL Shopping Center is located diagonally across from Jia Yi Hotel almost at the end of the Swan Lake (Tian E Hu Lu) Road.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-09-09, 08:58
With the popularity of Mayflower and the renovation of the Swan Lake Hotel (old building), rooms in the weekends are scarced so I did a little exploring today and found the Keynes Hotel (20 steps down the street from Mayflower hotel). This hotel has been newly renovated and has only opened for 3 months. Nothing special about this hotel other it being inexpensive and clean. No thrills, no cafe, etc. But food and shoppings are all only steps away. The Keynes hotel is located at the end of Swan Lake Road (Tian E Hu Lu). The Chinese name is Kai En Jiu Dian (? )?
Room Rates in RMB are as follows and if you use my membership number (800109) you can get a discount ().
One Queen Bed: 168 (150)
Steam Room or Two Double Beds: 228 (198)
Deluxe or MJ Room: 258 (228)
Short Time Room: 100 (80)/for 3 hours
PM me if you want the telephone number to make a reservation.
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
07-10-09, 04:49
With the popularity of Mayflower and the renovation of the Swan Lake Hotel (old building), rooms in the weekends are scarced so I did a little exploring today and found the Keynes Hotel (20 steps down the street from Mayflower hotel). This hotel has been newly renovated and has only opened for 3 months. Nothing special about this hotel other it being inexpensive and clean. No thrills, no cafe, etc. But food and shoppings are all only steps away. The Keynes hotel is located at the end of Swan Lake Road (Tian E Hu Lu). The Chinese name is Kai En Jiu Dian (? )?
Room Rates in RMB are as follows and if you use my membership number (800109) you can get a discount ().
One Queen Bed: 168 (150)
Steam Room or Two Double Beds: 228 (198)
Deluxe or MJ Room: 258 (228)
Short Time Room: 100 (80)/for 3 hours
PM me if you want the telephone number to make a reservation.
BSDBSD,
I stay at that hotel a yr ago ,it is nothing speical ok place 2 star like yalan , for a few rmb more clipper or swan lake is much better hotel ,there are no shortage on room in CP in that area even on weekend.
Fast Eddie 48
Muzungufotsy
07-10-09, 06:40
I will arrive in CP Sunday for the first time coming from guangzhou by train is it easy to find a room there?
Thanks
Well I took her all the way back to my hotel, the way that girl guzzled down the quad shot of Tennessee tea is scary. I would think she didn't plan it. She got so wasted that I could have just sent her home with zero $ and she wouldn't even know. But since brought her all the way to my room i decided to give her 3. But from my experience in panyu, all sit downs are 3 no?
The sit down fee is 200RMB not 300RMB, did you get scammed or are you being a BSD?
A lot of KTV girls get drunk or pretends to be drunk intentionally because they don't want to out with customers that don't like. This is a common tactic and most "nice" guys fall for this trick. Any girls you like you should prevent from getting drunk; otherwise, they have a perfect excuse not to go out with you.
BSD
I think all hotels have rooms right now, May flower is newest. around maybe 350rmb for single room. or you can use ctrip to book room early, Shang Yuan has nice rooms and for reasonable prices.
I will arrive in CP Sunday for the first time coming from guangzhou by train is it easy to find a room there?
Thanks
CP Day 4 - Last day of the trip.
Should have been in GZ on the last day but decided to stay since my buddy is having such a blast here. So the day started around 5 when we came back from Shenzhen last shopping spree. Got some awesome DG shades for 15RMB each. I think playing the good customer bad customer is working out.
So after unloading the goods back in the hotel, we again hopped on to a 3 wheel motorcycle and off to the BBS! Arrived around 8, had to eat dinner. On my lord my favorite girl the Xiao Qin didn't come to work. What a shocker. She was awesome last night. Desperately trying to get her digits from the Mami but even she said they don't have it. So again tried to take the tall 6' girl out but she refused again. Her name is Yaoyao by the way. Decided to take another girl from Chongqing (forgot her name) My buddy picked 2 girls, once again. We hit a club in Xindi at 9. Boy that was a mistake. I think the GZ club scene does not apply in CP. We bailed after seeing -zero- customers. Instead got a good massage at Qian Ge. Massage was 50rmb each for 80mins.
So back at the hotel around 11:10ish, at 12:00 my buddy calls me and wants me to send both his girls home, and get 2 MORE. he blew at least 10 rain coats on that last night, making it, the most bang for the bucks for his entire trip. Actually, the most bang in 4 days in his entire life.
My girl was pretty standard, opted for a petit body girl with C boobs. Took shower together, gave me a rub down etc. Found out she lived in the same city block to my ex-gf in chongqing. Brings back lots of memories.
Can't wait to go there again, next trip, October! Anyone else going to be around there? It will be during Canton fair so will be tighter in security and higher price. But I have the mami wrapped around so well I think shes willing to bring girls down to GZ for me lol. During the trip we got around 15 girls within 4 days from her.
Playboy2000
07-11-09, 00:37
Racetrack will again be taking another lap around. They call it the Dongguan Derby, the ChangPing Preakness, the ChangAn Stakes.
I will be in Dongguan from July 22 to July July 28. Last summer had a blast in ChangPing and ChangAn, and am looking to do it again.
If you expect to be around at that time, send me a private message or whatever. I am looking for some wingmen. I enjoy all the Dongguan activities: KTVs, saunas, footies, BBS stables. I particularly like mongering in ChangAn at their strip KTVs and dirty footies.
In the past I've mongered with OAH, Pleasure Dude, Jim Traveler, CPexpat, Dan Hawaii, a great bunch of guys from the Singapore crowd, and many others. I hope to see many of you again this summer. I will also be around for the special event on August 1.
Jaimito Cartero
07-11-09, 01:02
I think all hotels have rooms right now, May flower is newest. around maybe 350rmb for single room. or you can use ctrip to book room early, Shang Yuan has nice rooms and for reasonable prices.
The MF was 258/288 (weekends), when I stayed there a few weeks ago. Nice room, but kind of noisy since you can hear anything that is happening in the hallway. Nice room, otherwise. Includes BF.
We hit a club in Xindi at 9. Boy that was a mistake. I think the GZ club scene does not apply in CP. We bailed after seeing -zero- customers. Instead got a good massage at Qian Ge. Massage was 50rmb each for 80mins.
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Xindi or I believe it's also called Club Holiday gets going after 11pm and during the weekends.
I love tall girls. Six footers are hard to find in China. I hope she's still there next month. I know girls can be selective and not go with a customer but it's very rare. Yao Yao related to Yao Ming, Ha ha ?
Hello SEAJ,
I googled New Century Windway Mall but nothing came up. Can you please confirm the name.
Also, do you know whether there are any public holidays or trade fairs/ conventions during the month of August?
Thank you
I guess I was hoping to see maybe even 20 or 40 ppl there, but instead it was zero. Kind of scared me away. They said Xindi reopened a few days ago, most of the people don't even know its open already. I didn't want to go to Xin dong Tai, which was said to be kind of far.
As for Yaoyao, the name kind of gave me the impression that she was a clubbing girl. When I first saw her a few days ago, she was in a glitter dress. She looked like she just stepped out of a club!
Xindi or I believe it's also called Club Holiday gets going after 11pm and during the weekends.
I love tall girls. Six footers are hard to find in China. I hope she's still there next month. I know girls can be selective and not go with a customer but it's very rare. Yao Yao related to Yao Ming, Ha ha ?
Big Swingin Dave
07-11-09, 19:19
BSD,
I stay at that hotel a yr ago ,it is nothing speical ok place 2 star like yalan , for a few rmb more clipper or swan lake is much better hotel ,there are no shortage on room in CP in that area even on weekend.
Fast Eddie 48The Keynes definitely is a no thrills hotel but the price is right because the Mayflower is totally booked solid on Fridays and Saturdays. Because it is right next to the Mayflower it's convenient and cheap. The rooms are all recently remodeled so no bad for the price and location to Mayflower Hotel/KTV.
All Swan Lake Road hotels were completely booked this weekend. SWL was booked as of Wednesday, Clipper was fully booked yesterday (Friday) and today. Manhattan full, JY Full and Mayflower full. All no rooms except for Ja Tao which is between Clipper and Manhattan. A small hotel with decent rooms for 160 a night.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-11-09, 19:22
Well I took her all the way back to my hotel, the way that girl guzzled down the quad shot of Tennessee tea is scary. I would think she didn't plan it. She got so wasted that I could have just sent her home with zero $ and she wouldn't even know. But since brought her all the way to my room i decided to give her 3. But from my experience in panyu, all sit downs are 3 no?The Swan Lake and Ya Lan KTV both have 1-3-6, 1 to sit, 3 for ST, 6 for LT.
The rest of the KTVs in town including all the major ones are 2-5-8 per above split.
The Virgin has a 3-6-9, the difference here is that they have semi-naked girls for this category but also remember they have 2-5-8 girls as well.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-11-09, 19:24
I will arrive in CP Sunday for the first time coming from guangzhou by train is it easy to find a room there?
ThanksThere is a small hotel diagonally across from Swan Lake Hotel (forgot the name). SEA Joe and I saw some rooms there for 80RMB. PM me if you need assistance.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-11-09, 19:28
Racetrack will again be taking another lap around. They call it the Dongguan Derby, the ChangPing Preakness, the ChangAn Stakes.
I will be in Dongguan from July 22 to July July 28. Last summer had a blast in ChangPing and ChangAn, and am looking to do it again.
If you expect to be around at that time, send me a private message or whatever. I am looking for some wingmen. I enjoy all the Dongguan activities: KTVs, saunas, footies, BBS stables. I particularly like mongering in ChangAn at their strip KTVs and dirty footies.
In the past I've mongered with OAH, Pleasure Dude, Jim Traveler, CPexpat, Dan Hawaii, a great bunch of guys from the Singapore crowd, and many others. I hope to see many of you again this summer. I will also be around for the special event on August 1.All the ISG brothers that will be in CP on August 1st, please PM me asap as I need a headcount as who will be here for the big event. The big event is that one of our ISG legend is having a big birthday o/a that date and we will be having a big party in town. You don't want to miss this event.
BSD
Was in Wangjiang during one afternoon and passed a BBS, maybe around 10 girls sitting around and a guy papasan.
What is the precedure in these places during an afternoon and price. I wouldn't be able to take out for certain reasons, so do they have a room?
Just looking for some guidence.
Muzungufotsy
07-12-09, 01:37
Anybody has been recently behind the Walter Hotel?
Where is the place to find cheap girls exactly?
Big Swingin Dave
07-13-09, 02:20
Was at Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV last night just scouting out the ladies with SEAJoe (his first time there after being in the USA for about 3 weeks). Joe insisted on finding one of his old love and would not leave after circling the room 3 times when suddenly he spotted his old flame and she looked great until she mentioned that she is a 3-6-1 girl. 3 to sit, 6 for ST, 1K for LT. I've been to Mayflower 6 times already and have not even heard or bumped into a 3-6-1 girl until last night and I nearly jumped out of my slippers. So, I immediately searched for other 3-6-1 girls. The next one I saw I wouldn't even pick up at the Nightmarket for 130RMB. Even though it appears that there are only a handful of 3-6-1 girls, Guys please DO NOT support this; otherwise, other KTV will try to pull this and the CP market will be ruined. Mayflower is no Crown Prince or Royal Garden. Let's keep the 3-6-1 out of CP!
Thank you for your support.
BSD
Chang Ping
07-13-09, 07:20
Guys please DO NOT support this; otherwise, other KTV will try to pull this and the CP market will be ruined. Mayflower is no Crown Prince or Royal Garden. Let's keep the 3-6-1 out of CP!
Thank you for your support.
BSDHey Dave,
This is outrageous and I support this move of yours.
Will also let my buddies know about it and boycott!
With the popularity of Mayflower and the renovation of the Swan Lake Hotel (old building), rooms in the weekends are scarced so I did a little exploring today and found the Keynes Hotel (20 steps down the street from Mayflower hotel). This hotel has been newly renovated and has only opened for 3 months. Nothing special about this hotel other it being inexpensive and clean. No thrills, no cafe, etc. But food and shoppings are all only steps away. The Keynes hotel is located at the end of Swan Lake Road (Tian E Hu Lu). The Chinese name is Kai En Jiu Dian (? )?
Room Rates in RMB are as follows and if you use my membership number (800109) you can get a discount ().
One Queen Bed: 168 (150)
Steam Room or Two Double Beds: 228 (198)
Deluxe or MJ Room: 258 (228)
Short Time Room: 100 (80)/for 3 hours
PM me if you want the telephone number to make a reservation.
BSDHi brother Big Swingin Dave,
Can u share with me the telephone number to make a reservation with Keynes Hotel and SWL Hotel?
BTW are you based in Changping (CP)? My friend and i will be arriving CP on either 22 / 23 Jul, so am wondering if you'll be organising any chionging session?
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.
Elf
OldAsiaHand
07-13-09, 14:12
There is a small hotel diagonally across from Swan Lake Hotel (forgot the name). SEA Joe and I saw some rooms there for 80RMB. PM me if you need assistance.
BSD
BSD,
I used one of their rooms ST with a Swan Lake BBS girl. IMHO, the rooms are pretty bad, especially if you intend to spend any time in there. The Swan Lake old wing is only 128 RMB.
Just my POV.
OAH
With the popularity of Mayflower and the renovation of the Swan Lake Hotel (old building), rooms in the weekends are scarced so I did a little exploring today and found the Keynes Hotel (20 steps down the street from Mayflower hotel). This hotel has been newly renovated and has only opened for 3 months. Nothing special about this hotel other it being inexpensive and clean. No thrills, no cafe, etc. But food and shoppings are all only steps away. The Keynes hotel is located at the end of Swan Lake Road (Tian E Hu Lu). The Chinese name is Kai En Jiu Dian (? )?
Room Rates in RMB are as follows and if you use my membership number (800109) you can get a discount ().
One Queen Bed: 168 (150)
Steam Room or Two Double Beds: 228 (198)
Deluxe or MJ Room: 258 (228)
Short Time Room: 100 (80)/for 3 hours
PM me if you want the telephone number to make a reservation.
BSDHi BSD,
Can you share the contact number for Keynes Hotel & Swan Lake Hotel ?
Many thanks.
Elf
Any pregnant girls available in DG.
Factory workers or other?
BSD,
I used one of their rooms ST with a Swan Lake BBS girl. IMHO, the rooms are pretty bad, especially if you intend to spend any time in there. The Swan Lake old wing is only 128 RMB.
Just my POV.
OAH
The Swanlake old wing is being torn down and re-done. So the rooms will be just as nice as the new wing, but unfortunately just as expensive, 198 rmb.
I don't know if you can really get something (half) decent for 100 rmb, but you can for a bit more. HuaYu (back alley near Lucky), YuHe (Between HuiHua and New Century) are in the 138-160 range. Home Inn (one across the road for trainstation, and one near JinLang hotel) is around 120 rmb.
Chang Ping
07-14-09, 01:04
Any pregnant girls available in DG.
Factory workers or other?Factory workers? Yes. Pregnant girls. Perhaps? Pregnant factory girls. Perhaps yes?
All sort out here huh.
Factory workers? Yes. Pregnant girls. Perhaps? Pregnant factory girls. Perhaps yes?
All sort out here huh.Now why would anyone want a pregnant girls? China girls ususally is not that kinky.
Hey Dave,
This is outrageous and I support this move of yours.
Will also let my buddies know about it and boycott!True. We must all our part and boycott the places that rip off customers. Some KTVs intentionally over charges foreigners. Some girls see dollars signs when they go with a lao wai and make excuses to overcharge. So be firm and stay with the established prices.
Big Swingin Dave
07-14-09, 17:16
Hi brother Big Swingin Dave,
Can u share with me the telephone number to make a reservation with Keynes Hotel and SWL Hotel?
BTW are you based in Changping (CP)? My friend and i will be arriving CP on either 22 / 23 Jul, so am wondering if you'll be organising any chionging session?
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.
ElfPM me and I will give you the info.
BSD
My first trip to the Dongguan area and would like to purchase Vitamin V or C. Does anyone know of a nearby pharmacy to the Parkview Hotel? Any other action close would be greatly appreciated. Will be there from 7/25 to 7/30 if anyone wants to meet for a few beers.
Jim Traveller
07-15-09, 04:28
Hey folks:
In CP now and partying until end of July, anyone wanting to get together please PM me so that we can exchange cell numbers.
Just been to the PP Club last night with the ISG crew. Nice little club - cheap - worked out to be rmb 200 a head. Girls pale in comparsion to the Mayflower in terms of numbers (200-300) vs. the latter's claim of 1000 - but quality is far superior and the attitude is right.
The Mayflower is just the same deal with JY - in terms of layout, the rooms, the crowd and the girls. Numbers but not quality - if you are new in town and want to be awed by the numbers, do the JY - otherwises there are better fishes elsewhere in CP....hehe.
Cheers!
hi all,
been rtf b/c will be in sz for buisness again in aug and wanting to get up to speed + i will be a little more on my own rather than with suppliers, etc.
are you taking the train up from sz ro dg to party or do you operate out of dg? i see your posts in both threads. but i get the impression that you go to dg because the prices are cheaper and the quality higher?
have a couple more questions but will post them in the sz thread.
cheers!
Robin Mill
07-15-09, 10:06
Was at Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV last night just scouting out the ladies with SEAJoe (his first time there after being in the USA for about 3 weeks). Joe insisted on finding one of his old love and would not leave after circling the room 3 times when suddenly he spotted his old flame and she looked great until she mentioned that she is a 3-6-1 girl. 3 to sit, 6 for ST, 1K for LT. I've been to Mayflower 6 times already and have not even heard or bumped into a 3-6-1 girl until last night and I nearly jumped out of my slippers. So, I immediately searched for other 3-6-1 girls. The next one I saw I wouldn't even pick up at the Nightmarket for 130RMB. Even though it appears that there are only a handful of 3-6-1 girls, Guys please DO NOT support this; otherwise, other KTV will try to pull this and the CP market will be ruined. Mayflower is no Crown Prince or Royal Garden. Let's keep the 3-6-1 out of CP!
Thank you for your support.
BSDSeajoe is back in CP! Good for you. I am still experiencing the CP Withdrawer Symptoms after a month! Have being making calls to some of the gals in CP just to remind myself of those great time. I hope to be able to make it down again 12. 22 Sept.
It is very true that they will try to rip you off at every opportunity. From my own experience, I have a fantastics overnight session with a BBS gal and a lot of chemistry. I paid 100RMB mummy + 400RMB + 50RMB tips which is A LOT. However, she look at the amount and exclaimed that it should be 500RMB. I explained that I have already paid the mummy, but she claims that all her overnight is at 500RMB! I was like WTF? ! ? ! I told her I am not new to the scene, and I know the rate. She then take the $, walk out, slam the door. Great start to a morning.
Another one is a BBS behind Hui Mei hotel. The going ST rate is at 150RMB. However, a mummy try to rip me off back saying it is at 200RMB. Again, I told her its 150RMB. She reply saying her gals are good, not like the rest of the 130RMB gals with no services, her gals all pretty and provide good services blab blab blab. Like real! As if they install Quality Control in BBS. But in term of looks, her gals are better, and I like 2 SYT in her stable.
Back to hotel, I call the mummy and ask for 1 SYT. Neg with her, and she say ok. Pay 200RMB for ST and tomorrow get another gal from her, just need to pay 100RMB. Not too bad! The SYT came, we chat, and I found out that the other SYT I like is her good friend/roommates. So called her down and the night is history.
When it is time to go. Paid the 2nd SYT 100RMB, and she called the mummy to confirm. The mummy insisted that she collect 200RMB! I spoke to the mummy and told her of the deal we made earlier. She said that the deal is for TOMORROW, not TONIGHT, and she do not know that the 2nd SYT is coming down to accompany me. Again. WTF? I stay firm. In the end, the mummy relent.
Morale of the story? stay firm, don't spoil market, don't support overpriced rate.
Muzungufotsy
07-15-09, 13:20
Came to changping yesterday and was welcomed by dave who found me a room according to my budget.
Then met more fellows from the board and we all had a huge lunch together.
1 hour later I followed dave to one of the silver star BBS where there were at least 20 nice girls waiting for us.
I picked one who looks very cute and got a nice BBBJ with sex
Dave you are the man!
PM me and I will give you the info.
BSDDear Bro BSD,
Thanks for your reply.
My friend has already took care of the necessary.
Cheers,
Elf
Does anyone have any confirmed information. Has anyone seen anywhere or where is high possibility to find one?
Factory workers? Yes. Pregnant girls. Perhaps? Pregnant factory girls. Perhaps yes?
All sort out here huh.
Hello,
I have been reading the ISG reports, and found out that there are many BBS scams in the Changping area. The BBS in Changping are not like other places. They are hidden and one will need the mommy to take us to their "secret place" . And there are many warnings to NOT follow anyone to places that we are not familiar or isolated. Many mamasans are part of this scam to lead us to empty apartment and then send some guys to rob us. So, my question is:
1) how can I identify who is the real mamasan and the fake scammer ? Some board member said to ask for their business card, but any other helpful information ??
2) Or, for a 1st timer is better to stay off the BBS or street, and just stick to Sauna ? I don't drink alcohol, and I will be traveling alone, so KTV is not my thing.
Thanks for any help.First of all, please read my post on such a horrible experience. If you do not see any girls, DO NOT ENTER the place and quickly retreat!
Hi,
Does anyone knows if Lucky Hotel at Zhongyuan Street gal-friendly?
That is we can bring WLs from the nearby BBS back to our room without any restrictions by the hotel security or extra charges impose by the hotel.
Would appreciate any replies.
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.
Elf
First of all, please read my post on such a horrible experience. If you do not see any girls, DO NOT ENTER the place and quickly retreat! Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
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Was at Mayflower/Wan Yi KTV last night just scouting out the ladies with SEAJoe (his first time there after being in the USA for about 3 weeks). Joe insisted on finding one of his old love and would not leave after circling the room 3 times when suddenly he spotted his old flame and she looked great until she mentioned that she is a 3-6-1 girl. 3 to sit, 6 for ST, 1K for LT. I've been to Mayflower 6 times already and have not even heard or bumped into a 3-6-1 girl until last night and I nearly jumped out of my slippers. So, I immediately searched for other 3-6-1 girls. The next one I saw I wouldn't even pick up at the Nightmarket for 130RMB. Even though it appears that there are only a handful of 3-6-1 girls, Guys please DO NOT support this; otherwise, other KTV will try to pull this and the CP market will be ruined. Mayflower is no Crown Prince or Royal Garden. Let's keep the 3-6-1 out of CP!
Thank you for your support.
BSDI totally agree. I think Peninsula and Virgin is trying to pull this stunt too. If everyone does their share, we can stop this madness.
Hi,
Does anyone knows if Lucky Hotel at Zhongyuan Street gal-friendly?
That is we can bring WLs from the nearby BBS back to our room without any restrictions by the hotel security or extra charges impose by the hotel.
Would appreciate any replies.
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.
ElfYes. Definitely girl friendly.
Transporter
07-17-09, 08:09
Hi,
Does anyone knows if Lucky Hotel at Zhongyuan Street gal-friendly?
That is we can bring WLs from the nearby BBS back to our room without any restrictions by the hotel security or extra charges impose by the hotel.
Would appreciate any replies.
Thanks for reading.
Cheers.
Elf
Don't worry the Lucky hotel is extremely girl friendly.
In fact you won't even have to leave the hotel to find girls.
They will be roaming the lobby, and the floors constantly. And of course the van parks regularly outside, not to mention the hotel (apartments above the hotel) itself has BBS rooms.
Hi Brother Sarg2009 & Transporter,
Thanks for your replies.
Cheers,
Elf
I am a new member here. Have been reading reports for awhile. Great informative news. Just wanted to add my two cents. In my travels to China, I have had the opportunity to experience the subtle and not so subtle hints of "white boy mentality" or "big dick from USA". Case in point, my agents always want to take me somewhere to have a good time, whether KTV, sauna, or BBS. It does not matter whether we go to Tao Yuen, Hui Hua, Virgin, or Wu Mei KTV or any other KTV in CP. You can see the WLs whispering to each other during the lineup or at flower street. Very few if any of them will look you directly. When I pick a WL, most of the time, she will reluctantly sit with me. With my limited mandarin, I say ni hao and ask her to play dice and drink. Luckily my friends help me out and we have a ok time. My friends always ask for the full menu to confirm the agenda for later on. Most of the time, it is agreed upon but changes when we get back to the room. In the room I can’t do this, or that, or whatever and that destroys the mood. You feel helpless and taken advantage of. Normally, it is a straight wham bam thank you madam and pay. I think due to the language barrier, it is hard to communicate exactly what you want and that works both ways. I think for the money and effort involved, there are other places to go where I can have more fun and enjoy myself more (I. E. Where the English language is spoken).
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
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Big Swingin Dave
07-17-09, 19:02
Two days ago, there were LE activities in Chang An, all the Saunas were closed for business, KTVs were on alert but there were no disruptions.
Yesterday, the main strip saunas in CP were affected but the Swan Lake area saunas were not.
Today, the saunas were open but only repeated customers were allowed to make reservations and see the line-ups with two girls at a time. All of the Mayflower KTV girls did not wear their number tags today and all were required to changed into their street attires by 8pm.
There are reports that things may worsen so beware.
BSD
P. S. A typhoon warning has been issued for Sunday. A typoon is expected to have a direct hit in Hong Kong so be careful when traveling.
Big Swingin Dave
07-17-09, 19:06
I don't know of any hotel in CP that is NOT girl-friendly, even the 5 STARS HuiHua and Miraton are girl-friendly. So, no worries of bringing girls in at any hours in CP.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-17-09, 19:12
Today, found out a newbie went into one of the Hui-Mei Alley BBS alone and almost got scammed by the tall male papasan. The CP veterans will all know who he is. The papasan tried to charge our ISG brother 200RMB when it is only suppose to be 150RMB. When I asked him about it, he flatly denied it then he start yelling at me about why the people we bring to his shop always only look and never take any girls out but with his bad attitudes, I often advise the brothers to not take out any of his girls. The guy was outright hostile today and I hope the ISG brothers can stay away from his shop if possible. Also, the other two shop's mamasan are starting to give us attitudes as well so be careful going there, especially ALONE!
BSD
Don't worry the Lucky hotel is extremely girl friendly.
In fact you won't even have to leave the hotel to find girls.
They will be roaming the lobby, and the floors constantly. And of course the van parks regularly outside, not to mention the hotel (apartments above the hotel) itself has BBS rooms.
Sounds like Lucky Hotel would be great. I think I will stay there next time I am in CP.
Fast Eddie 48
07-18-09, 04:24
Today, found out a newbie went into one of the Hui-Mei Alley BBS alone and almost got scammed by the tall male papasan. The CP veterans will all know who he is. The papasan tried to charge our ISG brother 200RMB when it is only suppose to be 150RMB. When I asked him about it, he flatly denied it then he start yelling at me about why the people we bring to his shop always only look and never take any girls out but with his bad attitudes, I often advise the brothers to not take out any of his girls. The guy was outright hostile today and I hope the ISG brothers can stay away from his shop if possible. Also, the other two shop's mamasan are starting to give us attitudes as well so be careful going there, especially ALONE!
BSDBSD,
I called this guy the big meat head.
He is the nephew of the BBS owner and has been around for a long time.
He always gets mad at Wadman and me if we don't pick his girl, and gives us the stare.
His shop is going down hill anyway.
Fast eddie 48
Hello everyone,
Can i confirm that the DJ fee for Hui Hua, Jai Yi and Mayflower KTV remains at RMB200 per DJ?
I believe the minimum spending requirement in each joint exclude the DJ fees?
Thanks for reading.
Cheers,
Elf
Am not too sure of the exact date yet but it will be towards the middle/end of August.
A little bit about myself. I used to live in Panyu for about 5 years and met OAH when he first moved there. We scouted around the area a couple of times, hitting SWs once and having a bitterly disappointing experience at a barbershop at Luoxi across the Park 'n' Shop (if OAH is reading this maybe that will jolt his memory). Would not mind catching up with you again if you're reading this OAH.
Anyway, I will be going to GZ and will be hitting CP as well. I know GZ pretty well so I am covered there. I had been to CP 3-4 times before years ago and am not to familiar with the current scene, so having said that I would very much like to meet up any of you who will be there at around that time, not just to show us (I will have another Aussie guy and maybe a Chinese friend with me) around but also because hitting KTVs and the like I find is much more enjoyable when in a group. So if you would like to meet up drop me a line or just post on here and we'll organise something.
Pigfat
Big Swingin Dave
07-19-09, 02:21
Hello everyone,
Can i confirm that the DJ fee for Hui Hua, Jai Yi and Mayflower KTV remains at RMB200 per DJ?
I believe the minimum spending requirement in each joint exclude the DJ fees?
ElfAll KTV fees excludes DJ Fees, all places in CP are 200RMB "minimum" except for Swan Lake and Ya Lan KTVs are 100RMB.
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
07-19-09, 02:34
The PP KTV is located on the 2nd floor of the ChangPing Shopping Center next to the Red Lion hotel.
We were there on a Monday night and found out that they have an all inclusive special on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday nights. For 560RMB inclusive of all charges except for DJ Fee, you get fruit, snacks, tissues, service fee, and 3 dozens of beer, for 950RMB, you get all of the above and 6 dozens of beer, for 800RMB, you get 5 bottles of red wine including 7-up as mixers. This is a good deal as beer normally cost 450-520 per dozen, red wine cost 200. 300 per bottle, snacks are 25 each, tissues are 15 a box, fruits are 60. 100 per plate, and 10%-12% service charge.
On a Monday night, we saw about 8 line-ups of 15 girls each plus there were a lot already are sitting in the rooms, the mommies said that currently there are about 200 WGs on Weekdays and about 300+ on Weekends.
BSD
Am not too sure of the exact date yet but it will be towards the middle/end of August.
A little bit about myself. I used to live in Panyu for about 5 years and met OAH when he first moved there. ............
Hummm, strange you have been a member since Jan 18, 2004. You lived in China for several years and have posted very little about your experiences, why. It looks like you are not much of a contributor to the forum with the number of posts you have. Now you are looking for help.
I am a new member here. Have been reading reports for awhile. Great informative news. Just wanted to add my two cents. In my travels to China, I have had the opportunity to experience the subtle and not so subtle hints of "white boy mentality" or "big dick from USA". Case in point, my agents always want to take me somewhere to have a good time, whether KTV, sauna, or BBS. It does not matter whether we go to Tao Yuen, Hui Hua, Virgin, or Wu Mei KTV or any other KTV in CP. You can see the WLs whispering to each other during the lineup or at flower street. Very few if any of them will look you directly. When I pick a WL, most of the time, she will reluctantly sit with me. With my limited mandarin, I say ni hao and ask her to play dice and drink. Luckily my friends help me out and we have a ok time. My friends always ask for the full menu to confirm the agenda for later on. Most of the time, it is agreed upon but changes when we get back to the room. In the room I can’t do this, or that, or whatever and that destroys the mood. You feel helpless and taken advantage of. Normally, it is a straight wham bam thank you madam and pay. I think due to the language barrier, it is hard to communicate exactly what you want and that works both ways. I think for the money and effort involved, there are other places to go where I can have more fun and enjoy myself more (I. E. Where the English language is spoken).What you say is very informative. One thing we mongers need to remember is that language is always a big obstacle in China. If we can not speak the language, then it is pretty much just "wham, bam, thankyou mam". I personally don't enjoy the KTV as I find it very boring listening to the Chinese songs. When I sing the english songs, I know the chicks are bore with it as well since they don't understand them. There seems to be a disconnect between us and them. After awhile, the silence just seems to kill the GFE.
I much rather go to BBS or Sauna.
I agree that other places where the girls speaks alittle of english is much better for a GFE. I think China got a few years more before it can catch up with Thailand, PI, Singapore, Brazil, etc.
All KTV fees excludes DJ Fees, all places in CP are 200RMB "minimum" except for Swan Lake and Ya Lan KTVs are 100RMB.
BSDHi BSD,
Thanks for being so helpful.
Anyway the KTV in Swan Lake looks very rundown but i cant seems to find any FR on this joint.
Cheers,
Elf
Well I left China in 2006 so I could not post anything about the place since then. Anything before that was the usual SWs outside the Garden Hotel and BBS shops in Panyu which had been well documented in the GZ forum, so no hidden gems there.
But whatever, it really isn't any skin off my nose. I thought it would be more fun If I could gather a bigger group people for a night out in CP, but if not then that is ok. I have a GZ local who will happily come and help with the communication side of things and I know what to expect pricewise from different kind of places.
I can wing the rest.
Fast Eddie 48
07-19-09, 06:57
Hummm, strange you have been a member since Jan 18, 2004. You lived in China for several years and have posted very little about your experiences, why. It looks like you are not much of a contributor to the forum with the number of posts you have. Now you are looking for help.Fran123,
I wouldn't talk if I was you, so what pig fat only have 13 post and ask for help, you only have about 41 post yourself wait until you need help see who is going to help you.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
07-19-09, 09:08
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
OK - let me try to form a picture of this:
A Banana and his middle aged Gringo buddy walks into the restaurant.... right smack in the middle of Chang Ping.... with a couple gals half their age. One and all is probably all liquor-red-faced from a night of partying at the KTV and going ahead and 'teaching' local bad boys good ole U.S.A, "proper manners."
Switch the scene to South Central L.A. or in Little Italy in New york - what d'ya think would have been the result?? Come on Man - You're in Chang Ping!!
"The Chinese needs time to understand"......?? What.... all 1.3 Billion ++ of us??!! And to understand WHAT exactly?? That just coz you're from the Good Ole You Ass of Aye that you are entitled to assert your manners and whatever else? Sorry - but all this aplying U.S.A. standards and mores..... when you're a guest in China is precisely the kind of thing that us foreign mongers don't need.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-19-09, 09:18
BSD,
I called this guy the big meat head.
He is the nephew of the BBS owner and has been around for a long time.
He always gets mad at Wadman and me if we don't pick his girl, and gives us the stare.
His shop is going down hill anyway.
Fast eddie 48
Just about all of us regular mongers in C.P. have had our share of hassles with this particular guy.
Unfortunately he seems to have the run of at least a couple of the Hui Mei Alley shops - with him showing up even when you're in Coco's or the other mummy's shops. The guy is quite big for a Chinese and he's got this weird look about him that makes us figure that he's probably a bit mental.
Best never to even acknowledge him and to just walk out of any shop that he is in or walks into.
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
07-19-09, 13:41
OK. Let me try to form a picture of this:
A Banana and his middle aged Gringo buddy walks into the restaurant. Right smack in the middle of Chang Ping. With a couple gals half their age. One and all is probably all liquor-red-faced from a night of partying at the KTV and going ahead and 'teaching' local bad boys good ole USA A, "proper manners."
Switch the scene to South Central L. A. Or in Little Italy in New york. What d'ya think would have been the result? Come on Man. You're in Chang Ping!
"The Chinese needs time to understand".? What. All 1.3 Billion ++ of us? ! And to understand WHAT exactly? That just because you're from the Good Ole You Ass of Aye that you are entitled to assert your manners and whatever else? Sorry. But all this aplying USA A. Standards and mores. When you're a guest in China is precisely the kind of thing that us foreign mongers don't need.
SEAJBeen living in China for about 8 months now, I totally agree with what SEAJoe said above. I used to be the same and shook my head at all the things that the Chinese people do but now being here for a few months and having the priviledge of being acquainted with a Chinese GF, I am starting to understand how Chinese people think.
We cannot apply our educated learning and culture from the West and expect the Chinese people to understand or follow it. We are guests in their country, we play by their rules, just like when they (Chinese or any other people around the world) go to the USA/any other foreign country, they have to play by that country's rules. Your incident was probably just a misunderstanding/miscommunication. Like one of our ISG brother remind me all the time, in China, you must have a low-profile, playing it safe is the best way to ensure that you will have fun in China. Also, making an effort to learn the language is also important, I used to be frustrated with things in China until I made the effort to learn both the oral and written language. Now, I am having a great time in CP.
By reading the forum and getting great info is not enough in China. Anyone coming to CP to play for the first time should not come alone unless they seek the guidance of experienced ISG brothers.
BSD
Bob Builder
07-19-09, 13:53
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Dude,
You were obviously in the wrong. How can I tell? You lost the fight, had to run off and didn't have enough numbers to win an altercation.
Lets face it, CP and places like it in many "developing" countries are populated by uncivilized bupkins and thugs who are attraced by the fast money. Use your brain next time and if you don't have the resources to win, get the feck out of there. You are being harsh in tarring a whole race with an incident in one of the seediest areas in the whole country.
Not too smart to start a fight in any place like CP over a table and end up lying in the street like a piece of roadkill.
Drinking's part of the fun. Maybe the guy and his girl are walking back to the hotel supported by each other, getting into the elevator and just to be nice, offer to hold the door open for you and your girl.
Well, my girl and I went in and said our thanks. On our floor, while the door was opening, a guy in the elevator puked. The puke splattered all over my legs and my girl's legs. The guy was apologetic, but puke is puke. It's fuking gross.
Back in the room, instead of getting naked and playing, we got naked and washed our clothes. Our stinking clothes with residules of puke chunks.
Lesson learned. There are more than one elevators in many hotels in CP. Use the one that's empty, especially after a night at a KTV.
It's common sense not to get into private cars in CP (or in many places in China) when being pulled and asked where you're going. It's dangerous, it's expensive, and it's frowned upon by law enforcers.
One way they exploit the situation is when it's raining and you're done at a KTV. On one of my nights in CP, it rained. Usually vulturing around KTVs are private cars and when it rains, they have a field day with exorberant fees. A trip from Mayflower to Clipper cost us 20 rmb.
On the other hand, it can be a convenient way of getting to and from CP. From ShenZhen International Airport to CP is 200 rmb (1 and half hour ride). It's comfortable, fast, and goes right to your hotel. It's a good way to start or end your trip to CP.
It's also a good way to get to Chan An. Chan An is about 40 minutes from CP and offer dirty footie massages and a few naked KTVs. From CP to Chan An is about 100 rmb (some may charge higher for using the freeway since the freeway charges a 20 something rmb toll). But the general consenus is 100 rmb which includes the toll fee and using the freeway. Insist on the freeway, it's much quicker.
Chan An has two fun dirty massages: Infinitude and Dragon Island Club.
Infinitude: 769 82287777
Dragon Island Club: 0769 85097777
The first hour is massage (head, back, legs, foot) and the second hour you can touch lightly. Clothes stay on. The girls are pretty and it's not uncommon to get a footie massage for 4 or more hours.
PM BSDave for the numbers of some good reliable drivers. Again, use the recommendations of senior members here so your trip is not only memorable, but safe.
Robin Mill
07-19-09, 19:00
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.I wonder why did you get into a scuffle in the first place? Just for a seat? Is it worth it?
To share my encounter, my friend and I are also at some resturant near Lucky Hotel. Across from us a few tables away, a groups of guys and gals were chatting merrily. All of the sudden, a lady from that group slammed the table so hard that plates and cups flew... she then start lashing out and hitting the guys sitting next to her... with her bags, hands, whatever. Lovers quarrel apparently, or maybe the man didnt pay for her KTV sitting fees. The rest of the groups did try to calm things down, but the lady walk out after making a huge commontion. Even the waiters didnt interfere.
One of my experience friends asked us to finish up quickly which we did, and leave quickly. It is likely that the lady may called some of her friends over or whatever.
In my country, most probably some good soul will chip in and help to resolve the issues and such. However, chinese value their face, and thus do not like outsiders meddling into their issues.
Minding your own business and common sense rule here. However, this does not include not helping when you see someone in danger. That a different story.
Hummm, strange you have been a member since Jan 18, 2004. You lived in China for several years and have posted very little about your experiences, why. It looks like you are not much of a contributor to the forum with the number of posts you have. Now you are looking for help.
I think Pig Fat is just asking if others want to join him and friends at a ktv. Not really "looking for help."
Today, found out a newbie went into one of the Hui-Mei Alley BBS alone and almost got scammed by the tall male papasan. The CP veterans will all know who he is. The papasan tried to charge our ISG brother 200RMB when it is only suppose to be 150RMB. When I asked him about it, he flatly denied it then he start yelling at me about why the people we bring to his shop always only look and never take any girls out but with his bad attitudes, I often advise the brothers to not take out any of his girls. The guy was outright hostile today and I hope the ISG brothers can stay away from his shop if possible. Also, the other two shop's mamasan are starting to give us attitudes as well so be careful going there, especially ALONE!
BSD
Yes Dave, that papasan is easily angered and is best avoided. He has a sister who also works there and is easier to deal with. Bill Lee boycotted that shop and hated that guy, they always gave each other hateful looks. I always try to not provoke any anger, or let the mamas or papas know if i don't like them.
Over the years many newbies have mistakenly paid 200 at the HuiMei alley.
There was a monger called Dave, who did his girls in a cave.
He said "I know I'm a shit, that I admit, but look at the money I save!"
Dude,
You were obviously in the wrong. How can I tell? You lost the fight, had to run off and didn't have enough numbers to win an altercation.
Lets face it, CP and places like it in many "developing" countries are populated by uncivilized bupkins and thugs who are attraced by the fast money. Use your brain next time and if you don't have the resources to win, get the feck out of there. You are being harsh in tarring a whole race with an incident in one of the seediest areas in the whole country.
Not too smart to start a fight in any place like CP over a table and end up lying in the street like a piece of roadkill.No one end up lying in the street. We were certainly able to handle the 3 Chinese guys between the 2 of us. What we did not know was the "backups" that arrive later on. I just wanted to point out that hiden in the underbelly of things in China, there is an element that is not seen. My post is to alert others to not just consider the obvious, but also the hidden aspects.
Of course, we were lucky to escape to our hotel.
Sarg 2009
OK. Let me try to form a picture of this:
A Banana and his middle aged Gringo buddy walks into the restaurant. Right smack in the middle of Chang Ping. With a couple gals half their age. One and all is probably all liquor-red-faced from a night of partying at the KTV and going ahead and 'teaching' local bad boys good ole USA A, "proper manners."
Switch the scene to South Central L. A. Or in Little Italy in New york. What d'ya think would have been the result? Come on Man. You're in Chang Ping!
"The Chinese needs time to understand".? What. All 1.3 Billion ++ of us? ! And to understand WHAT exactly? That just because you're from the Good Ole You Ass of Aye that you are entitled to assert your manners and whatever else? Sorry. But all this aplying USA A. Standards and mores. When you're a guest in China is precisely the kind of thing that us foreign mongers don't need.
SEAJSEAJ. I know you have a lot of experiences in China. But exactly what thing that us foreign monger don't need?
We don't need to wait for our turn?
We don't need to spit on the floor?
We don't need to make a total mess of the bathroom when taking a shower?
We don't need to wear a condom when having sex?
We don't need to have civil manners?
We don't need to smoke in the elevators?
We don't need to treat woman like a 2nd class citizens?
I fully understand that we are guests of China. I don't expect them to have my standards. But if we do not stand up sometimes, we must as well act just like them. "When in Rome, etc."
So taking your advice, we should all just be assholes.
Cut in line. Be rude to women. Fuck without a rubber. Smoke in the elevators. Leave a mess everywhere. Spit wherever you want. Talk loud and don't give a shit.
I don't think so. I have better manners and value my life more.
Sarg2009
No one end up lying in the street. We were certainly able to handle the 3 Chinese guys between the 2 of us. What we did not know was the "backups" that arrive later on. I just wanted to point out that hiden in the underbelly of things in China, there is an element that is not seen. My post is to alert others to not just consider the obvious, but also the hidden aspects.
Of course, we were lucky to escape to our hotel.
Sarg 2009
You have to realize that most Chinese don't really like us. Think about it, a bunch of big, fat, old men with more money than the average Chinese men will see in their life time, comes in town, doing their women, acting like king of the world. OK, not all of us act like this but a lot of foreigner do.
They would love to have an excuse to pound on us. This is why we should keep a low profile whenever possible.
So taking your advice, we should all just be assholes.
Cut in line. Be rude to women. Fuck without a rubber. Smoke in the elevators. Leave a mess everywhere. Spit wherever you want. Talk loud and don't give a shit.
I don't think so. I have better manners and value my life more.
Sarg2009
We are not asking you to act like the local Chinese but just don't expect them to change their view because you have arrived.
I also hate to be on an elevator and then having all these guys push their way in before I have a chance to get off however I am not going to get into a fight with them. Most of them have been doing their way their entire life and are not going to change it for us.
Have you heard of the expression " You can't teach an old dog new tricks".
SE Asia Joe
07-20-09, 04:09
SEAJ. I know you have a lot of experiences in China. But exactly what thing that us foreign monger don't need?
We don't need to wait for our turn?
We don't need to spit on the floor?
We don't need to make a total mess of the bathroom when taking a shower?
We don't need to wear a condom when having sex?
We don't need to have civil manners?
We don't need to smoke in the elevators?
We don't need to treat woman like a 2nd class citizens?
I fully understand that we are guests of China. I don't expect them to have my standards. But if we do not stand up sometimes, we must as well act just like them. "When in Rome, etc."
So taking your advice, we should all just be assholes.
Cut in line. Be rude to women. Fuck without a rubber. Smoke in the elevators. Leave a mess everywhere. Spit wherever you want. Talk loud and don't give a shit.
I don't think so. I have better manners and value my life more.
Sarg2009
You may and you should act according to your own standards - but you should NOT and CANNOT impose YOUR standards on anybody else - especially in Chang Ping AND especially when you are already sticking out like a sore thumb as a foreigner with gals half your age on your arms.
Standing up?
We were certainly able to handle the 3 Chinese guys between the 2 of us. What we did not know was the "backups" that arrive later on
That's not standing up - that's thinking and acting your superiority complex. What - if there were 4 or 5 or more guys (instead of the 3 that you figure you could handle) you were dealing with, that you would stand down?? And that is precisely what I am talking about - how some Foreigners act all superior and righteous. THAT my friend, is what we all don't need.
Are you sure you realize that we ARE guests in their country?? Methinks you think you are guests in a Commercial establishment who value you throwing you great big U.S.$$$$$ and would do everything to please you; well the truth of the matter is precisely what Csun writes
You have to realize that most Chinese don't really like us. Think about it, a bunch of big, fat, old men with more money than the average Chinese men will see in their life time, comes in town, doing their women, acting like king of the world. OK, not all of us act like this but a lot of foreigner do.
SEAJ
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-20-09, 04:16
Old Dog New Tricks!! That is what B.S. Dave taught me!!
Brought me over to the Clipper sauna and thru his great connections there - as in lots of other C.P establishments - got me the sweetest, most pliant great body and best servicing sauna gal in a long time - and at a discounted price as she was still on her "training period"
Pity that the next time I want her services, that she's probably gonna be full priced already!
SEAJ
When in China, we need to remember that the chinese people have gone through a very difficult and tragic history. Most have come from families who endured a life of severe poverty. Refined manners are developed when times are good, when decent jobs and education are available.
What we call "manners" have greatly improved since I first visited China more than 30 years ago. Cutting in line and pushing was learned when there were severe shortages of everything, but now most people do stand in line and wait their turn. Spitting was a consequence of not having tissues available, now there is a lot less spitting. Smoking is no longer allowed on public transport and most are now obdient to those rules. Condom use and good hygiene is probably on the increase due to a better understanding of the consequences.
So, don't be too judgemental and critical. China has come a long way. Be tolerant and forgiving, learn to ignore what you don't like, and then you will enjoy China more.
Bigboobman007
07-20-09, 06:48
Had a great time partying with Jim Traveler and Brucetea last week and of course good to see the mayor of CP, BigSwingingDave again. This guy virtually knows every ktv mamis and contacts for any establishments in CP. its a good idea for anyone new or regular coming to CP to contact him. he'll hook you up.
Back at home now and thinking about my time in CP and CA and of course another excuse to go there...sigh. Usually the syndrome dont kick in so soon but we were caught in a raid season. For a sauna guy like me, it's hell. lack of choice, lack of sex. It started 2 weeks ago while I was in CA when they dont show the girls in a fishbowl topless no more and then the next week everything is done discreetly to closing the whole sauna and dirty massages activities completely. Even the most connected (with the police) sauna in CA is open to regular customer only and u have to call in advance and they have to shut down between 8pm to midnight.
Naked ktv will do the naked dance after 11 pm. Dirty footie is still available but it's best to avoid Long Dao Hui (footie place with the best looking girls) since they are forced to take off the poster that covers the see through glass on every room. Other choices with enclosed room: Tian Di Wu Xian/Infinitude, Berlin Hotel, Pacific.
Got my 1st experience of mayflower in CP last thurs. Chose a tall, pretty girl with huge boobs from the flower street and brought her to Penn. Soon after she changed to her regular clothes and we got out of mayflower, the boobs are gone, her looks dropped from A- to B- and her body is just pimply. I realized i was conned. mayflower is using the latest invention from NASA: dimmed blue lights that is designed to make girls prettier than they actually are. And of course the most catasthrophic invention of all: push-up bra.
Well, I brought her back to my hotel room since i had to pay 500 rmb anyway but just couldnt do it after looking at her pimply body. Had to let her go. Havent had much luck in KTV. only brought 1 girl out of the last 5 ktv sessions. And she wasnt that great either. That's why sauna is still my no.1 choice for looks and service.
Lucky for me, my regular in Virgin sauna girl is working that night. That saved the day.
Hope the scene will be back to normal soon.
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Transporter
07-20-09, 09:35
Not sure how you will perceive what I will write, but its just my observation, not so much opinion as observation.
It appears that it was your choice to let someone else have the table (whether intentional or unintentional) so you should just live with the decision you made (or lack there of).
You can chock it up as a learning experience, and maybe next time be a little more pro-active (still your choice).
I know it is easy to say, and much harder to swallow, but after so many years, it is pretty much expected.
Jp From Hk
07-20-09, 12:55
I have to make a report on my experience with Big Swinging Dave in CP since it was an intense and pleasurable trip.
First of all it was my first trip to CP and with all the choices available, I needed someone to guide me around and make sure I didn't fall into any rip offs or wander off into any dark alleys.
Big Dave was a perfect guide in all aspects making sure that I paid the right prices and visited the safer BBS.
We started off in the afternoon with a massage at Virgin which after an hour ended up in a threesome since the girl I worked on was already tired after our first round. Virgin girls seem pleasant and the rooms are of an acceptable standard.
In the evening we went to the new Karaoke that has opened up near Manhatten (I forget the name now and you would have to ask Dave) and after being overwhelmed by the flower street where there were at least 500 girls, I chose 2 sisters. We had fun in the KO but they were a disappointment after taking them back to my room. They had only been in town for 3 days so I should have read their badge clearly before picking them. Anyway, Dave saved the day by taking me to the Midnight Market and sure enough satisfaction was obtained. For those that are going alone, I would not recommend going to the KO alone since it can be expensive. Best is to see if Dave has another group in town so you can share the cost and the fun.
After having 5 girls on my first day, I needed a break to rest on the second day and I opted for a massage at the Hue Hwa. Excellent. The girl gave a great massage and even knew some kind of sexual massage technique that could get you up or down at the will of her nimble little fingers. I stay in in the evening to watch some dvds and rest.
My last day was spent at the Virgin again and they did not fail to satisfy. I took 2 girls again and both were polite, and accommodating.
For anyone considering a first trip to CP, I would definitely recommend you use Dave's services. He is genuine and a great guy to hang with.
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Bob Builder
07-20-09, 15:04
SEAJ. I know you have a lot of experiences in China. But exactly what thing that us foreign monger don't need?
We don't need to wait for our turn?
We don't need to spit on the floor?
We don't need to make a total mess of the bathroom when taking a shower?
We don't need to wear a condom when having sex?
We don't need to have civil manners?
We don't need to smoke in the elevators?
We don't need to treat woman like a 2nd class citizens?
I fully understand that we are guests of China. I don't expect them to have my standards. But if we do not stand up sometimes, we must as well act just like them. "When in Rome, etc."
So taking your advice, we should all just be assholes.
Cut in line. Be rude to women. Fuck without a rubber. Smoke in the elevators. Leave a mess everywhere. Spit wherever you want. Talk loud and don't give a shit.
I don't think so. I have better manners and value my life more.
Sarg2009
Aren't these all the good things that you can do in China on top of the pretty women?
Jettsetter
07-20-09, 16:24
When in China, we need to remember that the chinese people have gone through a very difficult and tragic history. Most have come from families who endured a life of severe poverty. Refined manners are developed when times are good, when decent jobs and education are available.
What we call "manners" have greatly improved since I first visited China more than 30 years ago. Cutting in line and pushing was learned when there were severe shortages of everything, but now most people do stand in line and wait their turn. Spitting was a consequence of not having tissues available, now there is a lot less spitting. Smoking is no longer allowed on public transport and most are now obdient to those rules. Condom use and good hygiene is probably on the increase due to a better understanding of the consequences.
So, don't be too judgemental and critical. China has come a long way. Be tolerant and forgiving, learn to ignore what you don't like, and then you will enjoy China more.
Sarg,
I know it sucks, but it's often best not to make a big fuss of little things like waiting for a table. If you're not happy or someone has taken your table, talk to the management and ***** them out a bit for not following any protocol or make your case to the guys who cut.. but if they don't relent then just let it go...
what I think Joe meant by imposing our Western standards is simply that in a chinese society, most don't make trouble. They may *****, they may rant and rave to themselves, but at the end of the day they're not going to stand up and cause a fight over a fricken table.
I see the similar thing with road rage in the US. People feel an entitlement to everything. To their space, etc. When someone violates that space, or does something they don't perceive as right, they end up wanting to fight. Point being, IT IS JUST NOT WORTH IT.
I'm personally not one to want to back down, and I will exercise my "might" in certain situations, but in a foreign country, where you have no protection of the laws or the government, where you can easily be a statistic with no recourse of any kind, I'll swallow my pride a bit, and just take it out on the next girl I "F" extra hard the next session :)...
Aren't you there to monger? why ruin your mongering with something so silly. Principle or not.. frankly speaking, just not worth it. Us Westerners are an insignificant part of this balance at CP, and there's just no reason to cause any waves.
Case in point, my buddies saw some guy getting beat up due to a traffic accident, and we were able to jump in to help this poor guy who was just getting slapped around by an obviously richer more affluent guy. Just didn't seem like a fair fight... however, we were held back by some more experienced mongers from HK who knew the richer guys, asserting these guys were gang affiliated. Had we jumped in to look for trouble, we would have been marked, and subsequently might have had to deal with way more trouble than we wanted.
The altercation ended up with the guy getting a bit of a beating, but nothing major, and life goes on. IN other words, not our business to interfere, and had we done so, the consequences could have been much more grave. Is it really worth it?
-J
Sarg,
I know it sucks, but it's often best not to make a big fuss of little things like waiting for a table. If you're not happy or someone has taken your table, talk to the management and ***** them out a bit for not following any protocol or make your case to the guys who cut. But if they don't relent then just let it go.
What I think Joe meant by imposing our Western standards is simply that in a Chinese society, most don't make trouble. They may *****, they may rant and rave to themselves, but at the end of the day they're not going to stand up and cause a fight over a fricken table.
I see the similar thing with road rage in the US. People feel an entitlement to everything. To their space, etc. When someone violates that space, or does something they don't perceive as right, they end up wanting to fight. Point being, IT IS JUST NOT WORTH IT.
I'm personally not one to want to back down, and I will exercise my "might" in certain situations, but in a foreign country, where you have no protection of the laws or the government, where you can easily be a statistic with no recourse of any kind, I'll swallow my pride a bit, and just take it out on the next girl I "F" extra hard the next session.
Aren't you there to monger? Why ruin your mongering with something so silly. Principle or not. Frankly speaking, just not worth it. Us Westerners are an insignificant part of this balance at CP, and there's just no reason to cause any waves.
Case in point, my buddies saw some guy getting beat up due to a traffic accident, and we were able to jump in to help this poor guy who was just getting slapped around by an obviously richer more affluent guy. Just didn't seem like a fair fight. However, we were held back by some more experienced mongers from HK who knew the richer guys, asserting these guys were gang affiliated. Had we jumped in to look for trouble, we would have been marked, and subsequently might have had to deal with way more trouble than we wanted.
The altercation ended up with the guy getting a bit of a beating, but nothing major, and life goes on. IN other words, not our business to interfere, and had we done so, the consequences could have been much more grave. Is it really worth it?
-JJetsetter. Thanks for your advice. It makes alot of sense. Looking back, we are there to have fun. Sometimes, it is very true, that we foreigners have to swallow our pride. Or as they say: suck it up! We are there for one purpose only. Sarg2009
Aren't these all the good things that you can do in China on top of the pretty women?Bob Buider. LOL you are so funny.
Sarg2009
Not sure how you will perceive what I will write, but its just my observation, not so much opinion as observation.
It appears that it was your choice to let someone else have the table (whether intentional or unintentional) so you should just live with the decision you made (or lack there of).
You can chock it up as a learning experience, and maybe next time be a little more pro-active (still your choice).
I know it is easy to say, and much harder to swallow, but after so many years, it is pretty much expected.It was not my choice to let someone else have the table! They just jump in and seat right down. We were standing right there waiting for the table to be wipe off clean before taking the seat. Now, I know it is the chinese way to seat right down before the previous patron's dirty dishes and chopsticks have been carted away.
Sarg2009
Member #4144
07-20-09, 20:40
I am new to this forum and I am happy to see many informative posts here. But I am a bit surprised at the topics here. I also read a HK forum and over there, all the talks are about the closing up of saunas all over south China and many working girls staying away, as well as man from HK being arrested.
Here, interestingly, a completely different world, people are arguing about a table in a restaurant. What is going on?
So it is not true that most fun places in south China are closing down for the next 3 month?
Aren't these all the good things that you can do in China on top of the pretty women?
Very true!
When in China we often feel we can throw the western rules of etiquette out the window. It can be a relief of sorts and gives us a sense of freedom to do as we please. No need for obsequious politeness. I can spit if I want to!
Jettsetter
07-20-09, 21:38
It was not my choice to let someone else have the table! They just jump in and seat right down. We were standing right there waiting for the table to be wipe off clean before taking the seat. Now, I know it is the chinese way to seat right down before the previous patron's dirty dishes and chopsticks have been carted away.
Sarg2009
I don't really think this is the Chinese way... I mean this kind of stuff can happen in the US just as easily in China. I've never come across such a situation in China, so I really wouldn't generalize this as a "Chinese way" of doing things. I mean I definitely see the line thing being al ittle foreign to the Chinese, but that's not the same as waiting for a table...
In that sense, I believe most of the chinese know that it's first come first serve, but there are always bad apples in the bunch, doesn't mean it should ruin the whole batch.
no doubt there are cultural differences, which are definitely DIFFERENT, but really don't impact us. This is NOT a cultural difference. The Chinese I know and see generally wait and are orderly, and if they knew you were waiting before them, would let you have it...
Funny though there are lots of things that the locals do that sometimes makes your head turn... one main example is their handling of trash. they'll just throw stuff on the ground. It's too bad that they have such disrespect for the place they live...
I think the point is not to discuss whether etiquette requires this or that in China v. the West.
As mentioned below, the point is to have fun with the girls and stay vigilant in trying to be safe from harm, scams, etc. Keep your head down, go with the flow, and don't try to make a scene.
I seen a few fist fights in CP. The all end in a similar manner, a fight starts, and then a LOT of guys beat up on one guy. That's the way it goes, don't expect honor among thieves, and a fair fight in China is for suckers. Watch your back, and have fun with the girls.
'lad
Sarg2009,
When Disneyland first opened in Hong Kong, they hated the mainlanders bad habits, manners and behaviors. There were definitely some uncivilized behavior by mainland China. Other the hand, people in Hong Hong are more civilized. I noticed in HK there are long SINGLE lines of people waiting for buses. You can also say the same about Singapore being civilized. Has any noticed how clean the streets are in Singapore and no graffiti like USA, England and other places.
It was noted in the article below, spitting was common by the French centuries ago. For spitting in front of a foreigner in China, it has been link to anti-foreigner sentiments during the Boxer Rebellion.
In my opinion, you should have talked to them first. If they ignored you, you should have talked with a waiter or waitress about who was first for the table.
I guess when you have 1.4 billion people, you don’t want to the last person in line for anything including sex.
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050916_1.htm
I don't really think this is the Chinese way... I mean this kind of stuff can happen in the US just as easily in China. I've never come across such a situation in China, so I really wouldn't generalize this as a "Chinese way" of doing things. I mean I definitely see the line thing being al ittle foreign to the Chinese, but that's not the same as waiting for a table...
In that sense, I believe most of the chinese know that it's first come first serve, but there are always bad apples in the bunch, doesn't mean it should ruin the whole batch.
I agree with you. Usually even the Chinese knows that it is first come, first serve. They should know that you guys were hanging around waiting for the table to be cleaned. That said, it could be these guys are the local mob and believe that they are above everyone.
I have seen Mob members in Taiwan, when they come into a restaurant, want a table that is being occupied, the waiter will actually move the people eating at the table to another table in order not to cause trouble. The mob thinks that it gives them face since they are so important. It maybe the same case here in CP. Normal people don't do that and then get into a fight about it. This can also explain why other people from the street will come and help them.
Bob Builder
07-21-09, 02:24
Sarg2009,
When Disneyland first opened in Hong Kong, they hated the mainlanders bad habits, manners and behaviors. There were definitely some uncivilized behavior by mainland China. Other the hand, people in Hong Hong are more civilized. I noticed in HK there are long SINGLE lines of people waiting for buses. You can also say the same about Singapore being civilized. Has any noticed how clean the streets are in Singapore and no graffiti like USA, England and other places.
It was noted in the article below, spitting was common by the French centuries ago. For spitting in front of a foreigner in China, it has been link to anti-foreigner sentiments during the Boxer Rebellion.
In my opinion, you should have talked to them first. If they ignored you, you should have talked with a waiter or waitress about who was first for the table.
I guess when you have 1.4 billion people, you don’t want to the last person in line for anything including sex.
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20050916_1.htm
The reason that the behaviour that Sarg objects to is not so commonplace in Singapore and Hong Kong is that there are actual laws that make it illegal to litter, spit, smoke and jump lines. I think the fine for minor offences like these in Hong Kong start at HK$1500.
I'm not sure that getting a waiter to intervene would help in this case as it would be more trouble than there lowly salary is worth and they have to live and work there.
As to his list of dislike of behaviour in China, if women were not treated as second class citizens, I would asume they would be more expensive to pop and negate the reason for this forum.
And are we going to get an apology any time soon for dissing the whole Chinese race for arguing over a table in CP?
Some people have been rather judgemental about Sarg's report, and even gotten a bit personal. People! With this kind of attitude, nobody will dare post a similar report in the future.
My take on the situation is that those guys (swiping the table from Sarg) were probably local toughies. Not any kind of "maffia" i.e. big shots, they wouldn't eat at a place like that restaurant. They know they have plenty of buddies around who are only a phone call away. And they probably figured it was easier to pick on a obvious foreigner too (the more local you are, the more likely you are to have local family and friends whom you can call for backup. The more foreign you are, the more likely it is that it's just you and nobody else).
In terms of manners, this was a bit of an extreme case. People cut in line (if there is one), butt in front of you all the time. But in this case, I think it goes beyond that. "Normal" chinese people may not subscribe to western manners, but they don't start streetfights either. The pimps/toughies/legbreakers are different of course.
CP has been getting rougher and the criminal elements are more organized. You often see young, local guys hanging around and cruising the streets (on foot) in groups now. With nothing obvious to do. It's trouble waiting to happen.
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.
On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
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Bob Builder
07-21-09, 06:45
Some people have been rather judgemental about Sarg's report, and even gotten a bit personal. People! With this kind of attitude, nobody will dare post a similar report in the future.
My take on the situation is that those guys (swiping the table from Sarg) were probably local toughies. Not any kind of "maffia" i.e. big shots, they wouldn't eat at a place like that restaurant. They know they have plenty of buddies around who are only a phone call away. And they probably figured it was easier to pick on a obvious foreigner too (the more local you are, the more likely you are to have local family and friends whom you can call for backup. The more foreign you are, the more likely it is that it's just you and nobody else).
In terms of manners, this was a bit of an extreme case. People cut in line (if there is one), butt in front of you all the time. But in this case, I think it goes beyond that. "Normal" chinese people may not subscribe to western manners, but they don't start streetfights either. The pimps/toughies/legbreakers are different of course.
CP has been getting rougher and the criminal elements are more organized. You often see young, local guys hanging around and cruising the streets (on foot) in groups now. With nothing obvious to do. It's trouble waiting to happen.
While I sympathize with Sarg's sitution and having taken both approaches (fighting for the table and walking away), the only thing I object to is his putting down of the Chinese race in general.
Hello all,
I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.
One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.
......
Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.
I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.
Your advice about not getting into what you got into was 100% correct. But it seems to me that you don't realize how lucky you were. Had you stayed at a different hotel, or if anyone of those people were real local thugs, the story might have taken on a totally tragic turn. But what really worries me is how you analyzed the whole thing and your conclusion. It would not serve you well if you are going to spend any more significant time in China.
You must realize that China, and Changping in particular, is seeing a huge disparity in wealth/income. Yet you go to a hole-in-the-wall kind of place opposite Lucky hotel at 1:30am with your fist full of dollars and a (Chinese?) girl (for hire?) on the arm!? The customers of that kind of restaurants are not the kind of people with proper manners, Chinese or American ones. They have no money, education or manner. That is precisely why they were in that restaurant at 1:30am that morning.
But your conclusion from this incident is all wrong. You need to understand that it is futile to expect the lower class Chinese to have good manners. The day that they did, you would not have any valid reason to be in CP any more. Everything would be too expensive, not to mention that other factors would make it no longer a destination for mongers. You also need to understand that just because you have not experienced proper Chinese manners, it does not mean Chinese people don't have proper manners, or that American manners are that much superior.
And with all due respect and sincerity, please don't get into any more fights. CP local thugs like to use knives a lot. On a good day, you don't want to be in a Chinese hospital. You certainly don't want to be in a CP hospital with a stab wound or two.
Some people have been rather judgemental about Sarg's report, and even gotten a bit personal. People! With this kind of attitude, nobody will dare post a similar report in the future.
Allow me to declare that I wrote what I just wrote without being at all personal or with any attitude against Sarg. However, my concern for his safety in China is geniune.
The reason that the behaviour that Sarg objects to is not so commonplace in Singapore and Hong Kong is that there are actual laws that make it illegal to litter, spit, smoke and jump lines. I think the fine for minor offences like these in Hong Kong start at HK$1500.
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I know about the fines for violations in HK. Most of the mainlanders are well off financially visiting HK and Macau. There are signs all over the place that are often ignored by the mainlanders. One time I was in a restaurant in HK. A bunch of guys started to smoke. I could tell there were mainlanders because they spoke Mandarin. There were signs about no smoking in the restaurant. The waiter quickly to told them to stop. In my opinion, the police or security should start fining them. I am sure news on a $1500 fine would travel fast.
They have an attitude of, "I spend the money and I can do whatever I want. At worst, I won't come next time".
It almost like "The ugly rude Americans" bumbling through Europe in the '50s and '60s and the camera-clicking, free-spending Japanese tour groups of the '70s.
I agree with Wilde. It almost like a white guy telling some black guys to fuck off in Harlem or Watts in the USA. It's not your turf and you are asking for it.
Bob Builder
07-21-09, 08:24
I know about the fines for violations in HK. Most of the mainlanders are well off financially and there are signs all over the place that are often ignored. One time I was in a restaurant in HK. A bunch of guys started to smoke. I could tell there were mainlander because they spoke Mandarin. There were signs about no smoking. The waiter quickly to told them to stop. In my opinion, the police or security should start fining them. I am sure news on a $1500 fine would travel fast.
They have an attitude of, "I spend the money and I can do whatever I want. At worst, I won't come next time".
It almost like "The ugly rude Americans" bumbling through Europe in the '50s and '60s and the camera-clicking, free-spending Japanese tour groups of the '70s.
I agree with Wilde. It almost like a white guy telling some black guys to fuck off in Harlem or Watts in the USA. It's not your turf and you are asking for it.
I don't think the fine will discourage the mainlanders that much as it is not payable on the spot and they could actually return home without paying for it. They don't actually stop anyone leaving Hong Kong if they do not pay the fine first. Don't know what happens when they come back.
As for the smoking, the waiter would be more concerned as the restaurant gets fined if anyone is caught smoking there. There is a disparity about what is the law and how it is enforced.
Maybe we should move this to the "Living in China" thread.
I know about the fines for violations in HK. Most of the mainlanders are well off financially and there are signs all over the place that are often ignored. One time I was in a restaurant in HK. A bunch of guys started to smoke. I could tell there were mainlanders because they spoke Mandarin. There were signs about no smoking. The waiter quickly to told them to stop. In my opinion, the police or security should start fining them. I am sure news on a $1500 fine would travel fast.
Hmmmm... IF the smokers quickly put out their cigarettes, it's probably sufficient. 1 or 2 puffs of smoke ain't gonna kill everyone in the restaurant. It's a bit over the top to call the cops, or report them. If you were the owner/manager of the restaurant, I am sure you wouldn't do it either.
They have an attitude of, "I spend the money and I can do whatever I want. At worst, I won't come next time".
Ummm... yes! Why not? In China, you can walk into the restaurant of a 5 star hotel in shorts, t-shirt and sandals. Nobody cares about the way you dress, as long as you have the money and are willing to spend it. I like it better that way. Instead of what you have in western countries where high end restaurants/bars/clubs often have a dress code. So you pay more, AND you gotta play by their rules.
[QUOTE=Bigboobman007]
Got my 1st experience of mayflower in CP last thurs. Chose a tall, pretty girl with huge boobs from the flower street and brought her to Penn. Soon after she changed to her regular clothes and we got out of mayflower, the boobs are gone, her looks dropped from A- to B- and her body is just pimply. I realized i was conned. mayflower is using the latest invention from NASA: dimmed blue lights that is designed to make girls prettier than they actually are. And of course the most catasthrophic invention of all: push-up bra.
[QUOTE]
Yeah, Mayflower's great for those who like the short, small-boobs girls. I actually have a good time selecting there. There's so many who are just pettite. I've yet had or seen a bad experience there. For me, the girls are great in the room and fun out of the room.
One fuk up I've had was when I selected a girl and told her to go up to our room. Well, she did. But after roaming around the humid and under-air-conditioned flower street, I lost track of time but managed to select another girl more to my taste. She walked the parade with me (recommended, this would give a hint of chemistry) and immediately, I was smitten.
After waiting for one of the two elevators at the Mayflower, it took us to the third floor. Again, this took some time and rather uncomfortable when lots of guys are squeezed into the elevator, which is small. Got to the room and decided to let the first girl go.
Well, she refused and told us that the trial period is 15 minutes and anything after that, she has to get the tip. Kinda my fault for not being aware of the time, but also hard to control given the Mayflower's structure. In any case, the mommy came up and told us that the first girl waited 30 minutes.
My fuk up, of course. I'm not sure what happened afterwards. But a note to those who visit the Mayflower, choose the girl and walk with her on the street. Don't be so quick to send her to the room.
One friend also mentioned how he sent two girls to the room, but only one showed up. The parade is hot, noisy, dim, and chaotic. It's easy to miscommunicate.
[QUOTE=Bigboobman007]Got my 1st experience of mayflower in CP last thurs. Chose a tall, pretty girl with huge boobs from the flower street and brought her to Penn. Soon after she changed to her regular clothes and we got out of mayflower, the boobs are gone, her looks dropped from A- to B- and her body is just pimply. I realized i was conned. mayflower is using the latest invention from NASA: dimmed blue lights that is designed to make girls prettier than they actually are. And of course the most catasthrophic invention of all: push-up bra.[QUOTE]Yeah, Mayflower's great for those who like the short, small-boobs girls. I actually have a good time selecting there. There's so many who are just pettite. I've yet had or seen a bad experience there. For me, the girls are great in the room and fun out of the room.
One fuk up I've had was when I selected a girl and told her to go up to our room. Well, she did. But after roaming around the humid and under-air-conditioned flower street, I lost track of time but managed to select another girl more to my taste. She walked the parade with me (recommended, this would give a hint of chemistry) and immediately, I was smitten.
After waiting for one of the two elevators at the Mayflower, it took us to the third floor. Again, this took some time and rather uncomfortable when lots of guys are squeezed into the elevator, which is small. Got to the room and decided to let the first girl go.
Well, she refused and told us that the trial period is 15 minutes and anything after that, she has to get the tip. Kinda my fault for not being aware of the time, but also hard to control given the Mayflower's structure. In any case, the mommy came up and told us that the first girl waited 30 minutes.
My fuk up, of course. I'm not sure what happened afterwards. But a note to those who visit the Mayflower, choose the girl and walk with her on the street. Don't be so quick to send her to the room.
One friend also mentioned how he sent two girls to the room, but only one showed up. The parade is hot, noisy, dim, and chaotic. It's easy to miscommunicate.Just a little news. My sources told me yesterday that Mayflower is closed. It will be closed for a week because of some big officials coming to town.
This of course will also affect other ktv, sauna, BBS, etc.
Sarg
SE Asia Joe
07-21-09, 18:12
Not even B.S. Dave could save the day! Nope - not even Dave!
Here we were Monday night, at Dave's latest "find" - an intimate (read small!) KTV with a limited, but high quality selection of gals (errr.... some of the models were really commanding HIGH prices - 3-9-15 I think) and just starting to have a good time (approx 8:30) when Dave received a fone call that they had shut down the Mayflower. Impossible we all said -but just had to check it out for ourselves and thus went out on the street to see for ourselves.
Sure enuff, what greeted us was a wave of humanity all over the street - gals scuppering along, some walking quickly, some looking dazed/bewildered and others trying to catch a cab/3 wheeler whilst their "boyfriends' were coming the other way trying to connect up with their investments!! Surreal!! Ain't ever seen anything like it.
Then our KTV manager/mommy came out all harried and worried and told us to quickly get back in as OUR KTV was also being shut down! Sure enough, when we got back into the room - the manager already had the bill on hand (heavily discounted of course - the mommy/manager knows better than to get on Dave's bad side!!) and the mommie told us that we could pay the gals whatever we wanted to pay, and to leave them or take them - our choice!! I was not only a bit worried about taking my 2 gals out under the circumstances, but I was also curious as to what all was going to happen in C. P. then - and thus decided that I would rather NOT bother with having to cope with having a gal out and about with me then and just gave them both a bit of money and left . Traveller though - he the connoisseur of the best looking gals and who just cannot let any hunnies escape - took one of his and we were sneaked out and guided through the back door of the KTV. We all then went out to the Hunan restaurant in front of the Clipper to watch the proceedings on Swan Lake road and eeriely, all the garish lighting of the KTV's, Saunas and other entertainment venues were turned off; even the hotel lighting were all turned down and I've never seen that street so dark!! Fact is, it was very dark all over C.P. that night as nothing was open!!
Nothing actually happened apart from the fact that ALL KTV's, saunas and clubs were shut down. What a wasted night!! And we all decided to call it a night and just retreated to our place to sit around and chat. 1:30 came around and here I was - still all high and dry with no company and all antsy!! Dave made a fone call to see if the night market was open and surprisingly, the mommie told us that yes, it WAS open and to come on over!! Wadman kindly drove us and I was back in control!! I is gonna get me a company that night after all!! OK - not the best or largest selection of gals I've seen at the night market - but hey - beggars cain't be chooser and I was ever so glad I could still reel in a little hottie - well, not so little, she was quite tall, and she still had a bit of baby fat on her - but Hey, I was happy!!
B.T.W. we hear that periodic crack downs is going to be ongoing sporadically till October 1 - the 60th anniversary of the founding of the P.R.C. - but one and all are quite sure that such crack downs should not happen during week-ends when real money would be losT!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
07-21-09, 18:39
SEAJoe beat me to the gun. I was just going to ask if the crackdown effected CP as I was told all by a friend that all the Hong Kong monger websites were reporting on it but no one here seemed to mentioned anything.
SE Asia Joe
07-21-09, 18:46
29 July, the Swan Lake KTV and BBS are gonna be moved to that empty KTV in front of the Manhattan Hotel serviced apartment building.
The mommies tell me that the pricing structure is going to be maintained even though the facilites are going to be much better (it IS a nicer KTV - at least I thought that the rooms were quite nice when we went there a couple or so months ago before they shut it down). They'll still even offer the $500 plus $100 DJ fee = $600 total for all you can drink in one of their small rooms - which is suppossedly a lot bigger than the small rooms at the present Swan Lake.
Gals will still be 1-3-6 and the BBS is still gonna be 200 ST and 500 O/N.
We'll see!!!
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
07-22-09, 03:36
First time in 8 plus months of living in China had I seen a crackdown of such.
On Monday night, as I was standing outside opposite of the Manhattan hotel, I saw one of my favorite mommy from the Mayflower walking down Swan Lake road with her harem of WGs. She was frazzled with no make-up with a worry look on her face. She told me that the Mayflower KTV was just told to shut down and ALL employees had to leave the premise. A parade of WGs then followed and soon the street was flooded with WGs coming out of the Manhattan, California Red, Clipper, and Swan Lake. At that moment, I had a flash back as if I was at Nana Plaza in Bangkok.
As SEAJoe mentioned, at that moment we were told to leave our KTV and soon thereafter I started receiving calls from various people in town that all the other KTVs in town was also shut down. Last night (Tuesday), all KTVs were closed except a couple small ones was working secretly (can't post it here but if you want to know which ones, PM me then I will let you know) but the there were slim pickings. I called my contacts at the Mayflower and they told me that tonight (Wednesday), it will also be closed but likely that it will reopen on Thursday through the weekend. At least.
In addition to the KTVs closing, the Saunas are told to be shutdown; however, unlike a KTV, Saunas can operate on creative ways, so they are only taking KNOWN and REPEATING customers on a reservation basis. The front doors are NOT open so if you don't have a contact and don't know where the secret entrance is, you ar SOL.
SEAJoe is right, the reason for the big crackdown is that this year is the 60th Anniversary of the P. R. C. But I talk to some of the merchants in town which have already been heavily affected told me that generally in July, August, and September, there have been periodic raids but this year will be a bit more frequent. Chinese people are very adaptable to change and very creative in getting things down, you just have to know the right people; otherwise, you will come to C. P. With only your hands in your pants.
BSD
P. S. I was talking to a PP mommy today and found out there will be another new 5 STARS hotel with KTV, Sauna, and Footie opening in September. I heard this will be the new alternative to HuiHua which is slowly getting run-down.
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Big Swingin Dave
07-22-09, 03:48
[QUOTE=Bigboobman007]
Got my 1st experience of mayflower in CP last thurs. Chose a tall, pretty girl with huge boobs from the flower street and brought her to Penn. Soon after she changed to her regular clothes and we got out of mayflower, the boobs are gone, her looks dropped from A- to B- and her body is just pimply. I realized I was conned. Mayflower is using the latest invention from NASA: dimmed blue lights that is designed to make girls prettier than they actually are. And of course the most catasthrophic invention of all: push-up bra.[QUOTE]Yeah, Mayflower's great for those who like the short, small-boobs girls. I actually have a good time selecting there. There's so many who are just pettite. I've yet had or seen a bad experience there. For me, the girls are great in the room and fun out of the room.
One fuk up I've had was when I selected a girl and told her to go up to our room. Well, she did. But after roaming around the humid and under-air-conditioned flower street, I lost track of time but managed to select another girl more to my taste. She walked the parade with me (recommended, this would give a hint of chemistry) and immediately, I was smitten.
After waiting for one of the two elevators at the Mayflower, it took us to the third floor. Again, this took some time and rather uncomfortable when lots of guys are squeezed into the elevator, which is small. Got to the room and decided to let the first girl go.
Well, she refused and told us that the trial period is 15 minutes and anything after that, she has to get the tip. Kinda my fault for not being aware of the time, but also hard to control given the Mayflower's structure. In any case, the mommy came up and told us that the first girl waited 30 minutes.
My fuk up, of course. I'm not sure what happened afterwards. But a note to those who visit the Mayflower, choose the girl and walk with her on the street. Don't be so quick to send her to the room.
One friend also mentioned how he sent two girls to the room, but only one showed up. The parade is hot, noisy, dim, and chaotic. It's easy to miscommunicate.Most KTVs allow a 10. 15 minutes grace period after you pick a girl. One big disadvantage at the Mayflower is that the place is so fricken huge that often WGs get lost inside, most DJs and Security also don't know where the rooms are as the place is split into two big buidlings with 3 floor each. There are a total of 138 rooms there so no wonder people get lost and are confused.
Anyway Bruce, what happen was that the girl you wanted to excuse wouldn't leave and demanded her full 200RMB. Since there were 8 other guys in the room, I made an announcement saying that the girl was available, 3 guys were fighting for her and eventually one took her but she realizing that she didn't have a good chance of going out for a ST or LT, she "86" herself from our room.
Lesson learned: don't take too long down at the flowerstreet and probably best to hang on to your girl while you are scouring for the next best girl.
BSD
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Big Swingin Dave
07-22-09, 04:01
Not even B. S. Dave could save the day! Nope. Not even Dave!
Here we were Monday night, at Dave's latest "find". An intimate (read small! ) KTV with a limited, but high quality selection of gals (errr. Some of the models were really commanding HIGH prices. 3-9-15 I think) and just starting to have a good time (approx 8:30) when Dave received a fone call that they had shut down the Mayflower. Impossible we all said. But just had to check it out for ourselves and thus went out on the street to see for ourselves.
Sure enuff, what greeted us was a wave of humanity all over the street. Gals scuppering along, some walking quickly, some looking dazed/bewildered and others trying to catch a cab/3 wheeler whilst their "boyfriends' were coming the other way trying to connect up with their investments! Surreal! Ain't ever seen anything like it.
Then our KTV manager/mommy came out all harried and worried and told us to quickly get back in as OUR KTV was also being shut down! Sure enough, when we got back into the room. The manager already had the bill on hand (heavily discounted of course. The mommy/manager knows better than to get on Dave's bad side! ) and the mommie told us that we could pay the gals whatever we wanted to pay, and to leave them or take them. Our choice! I was not only a bit worried about taking my 2 gals out under the circumstances, but I was also curious as to what all was going to happen in C. P. Then. And thus decided that I would rather NOT bother with having to cope with having a gal out and about with me then and just gave them both a bit of money and left. Traveller though. He the connoisseur of the best looking gals and who just cannot let any hunnies escape. Took one of his and we were sneaked out and guided through the back door of the KTV. We all then went out to the Hunan restaurant in front of the Clipper to watch the proceedings on Swan Lake road and eeriely, all the garish lighting of the KTV's, Saunas and other entertainment venues were turned off; even the hotel lighting were all turned down and I've never seen that street so dark! Fact is, it was very dark all over C. P. That night as nothing was open!
Nothing actually happened apart from the fact that ALL KTV's, saunas and clubs were shut down. What a wasted night! And we all decided to call it a night and just retreated to our place to sit around and chat. 1:30 came around and here I was. Still all high and dry with no company and all antsy! Dave made a fone call to see if the night market was open and surprisingly, the mommie told us that yes, it WAS open and to come on over! Wadman kindly drove us and I was back in control! I is gonna get me a company that night after all! OK. Not the best or largest selection of gals I've seen at the night market. But hey. Beggars cain['t be chooser and I was ever so glad I could still reel in a little hottie. Well, not so little, she was quite tall, and she still had a bit of baby fat on her. But Hey, I was happy!
B. T. W. We hear that periodic crack downs is going to be ongoing sporadically till October 1. The 60th anniversary of the founding of the P. R. C.. But one and all are quite sure that such crack downs should not happen during week-ends when real money would be losT!
SEAJThe models were 3-9-12 not 3-9-15 (this place is not Prince Hotel), and of course, only our beloved Jim_Traveller know how to enjoy/has the wallet to the finer things in life and picked a stunning 5'10" probably closer to 6" with her high heels WG. She was lovely! Anyways, this little gem of a place has quite a few of these stunners so if you like these jewels, come with a "packed" wallet.
Eventhough the night ended prematurely and sourly. SEAJoe and I had a great time just standing outside the Manhattan hotel and seeing the sea of ladies roaming through Swan Lake road dazed and confused.
The economy in C. P. Cannot afford a long period of shutdowns, things may be toned down a bit but activities should get back to near normal soon; in the meantime, call your contacts before you go anywhere; otherwise, you will waste a lot of time but also, be aware of scammers out there as well as people (mostly the WG boyfriends that are not getting their income from the ladies) looking for a quick "hit" on unsuspecting foreigners.
BSD
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SE Asia Joe
07-22-09, 06:27
Now I sort of know why our foreign monger friends come over to Chang Ping/Dongguan/Shenzhen, expecting that everything is gonna be peachy keen even if they don't speak any Chinese.
Just got back last week from Shanghai - which I've not gone to for at least a a year or so. I was having myself a grand ole time at Zapata's when the thought struck me that at least 50% of the patrons there were foreigners, and that conversations were mainly conducted NOT in chinese, but in English and other foreign languages!! Good God, I might as well have been in that place during the era of the French Concession in Shanghai and during the Soong sisters era!! (Soong Ching Ling's former house is where Zapata and Sasha's restaurant is at).
I chatted up 6 gals sitting on the table next to mine and found out that they all were actually working regular jobs full time in Shanghai - but that only 1 had fluent command of Putonghua. One other spoke a smattering of such whilst the other 4 totally did not speak it at all. Gals!! Furrener Gals!! Living and working in Shanghai without knowing how to speak Chinese!! NO WONDER guys who had previously "experienced China" only in Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou etc think that they can just land in C.P./Dongguan and hit the streets running.
I mean, after going mainly to Southern China only during the past year or so, I had BASICALLY FORGOTTEN that the rest of China ain't like what Sarg 2009 describes it as being. People were courteous and civil and acts more like what I GUESS Sarg thinks all Chinese - and I guess the rest of the world - should act and think like. On top of it all, it was clean and a helluva lot safer - at least that is what I felt! Shanghai is 100% more foreign friendly than Southern China.
Guys - those of you contemplating visiting us in these parts (Southern China) - be ready to face a different China than what you'd experienced in other major Chinese Metropolisis like Shanghai. It's basically the Wild Wild West out here and you'd better come prepared. At least, hook yourself up with some other mongers who've got previous experience, contacts etc and enjoy our little piece of Paradise. And please do not come OR go being judgemental about what goes on in these parts. It is what it is!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-22-09, 07:29
I don't think the fine will discourage the mainlanders that much as it is not payable on the spot and they could actually return home without paying for it. They don't actually stop anyone leaving Hong Kong if they do not pay the fine first. Don't know what happens when they come back.
As for the smoking, the waiter would be more concerned as the restaurant gets fined if anyone is caught smoking there. There is a disparity about what is the law and how it is enforced.
Maybe we should move this to the "Living in China" thread.
Smokers caught in Hong Kong smoking at prohibited areas/spaces are ticketed (by a Hygiene officer from the Leisure and cultural services department) on the spot and the offendor must pay such fine within 21 days.
These tickets are fixed at HK$1,500 - even though Hong Kong laws previously gazetted set the maximum fine at HK$5,000 (but previously, an offender needs to appear in court and have his 'sentence' fixed by the court vs. this fixed ticket system). This is the same system used for littering in Hong Kong
Hong Kong Identity card or passport details are included in the ticket (Hong Kong laws requires EVERYBODY to have on his person his Hong Kong Identity card OR his original passport on his person - and it is an offense if you get caught not carrying your ORIGINAL identity card/foreign passport!!).
As you say, if a visitor leaves Hong Kong before the 21 days, he should be free to do so. It's if he ever comes back to Hong KOng and still uses the same passport that things will get "difficult."
As far as "allowing" smoking to happen in Hong Kong restaurants - the restaurants are more concerned about them being fined for allowing such to happen; and thus if one of their patrons stubbornly refuses to follow requests to stub out his cigarette, it is in the best interest of the restaurant to call in one of the hygiene officers.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-22-09, 10:16
.just a little news. my sources told me yesterday that mayflower is closed. it will be closed for a week because of some big officials coming to town.
this of course will also affect other ktv, sauna, bbs, etc.
sarg
i think that what you heard from your "sources" is nothing more than the usual reasons/platitudes when just speculating on what the real reason is for the latest "strike hard/clean yellow" campaign. just usual chit chat. i would seriously doubt the authoritativeness of your source if he would give "some big official coming to town" as the reason for mayflower being closed.
by the way, "big officials" do not usually go into c.p. officially as there is nothing there that will justify official government business plus they would be leery of attracting the attention of his peers/higher ups for making such a visit to chang ping of all places!! oh, they do come - but never on an official visit and always discreetly/without fanfare - and would defintely not order a strike hard campaign to herald his arrival!
the central government has already firmly and clearly "leaked out" - both amongst the local as well as the international press - that they are going to do a real clean up in the days leading up to the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the founding of the p.r.c.
you guys might think that this don't make sense - how come not for the 50 year anniversary, why 60?? well, unlike in the west, chinese society looks to 60 years as marking the milestone towards wisdom, and attach great importance to celebrations marking 60 years.
chinese people, who are not usually exburerant celebrators of regular or even 50th birthdays, celebrate 60 year birthdays with big parties.
seaj
Big Swingin Dave
07-22-09, 10:53
Cp is alive and well. For the time being anyways. Just heard from my sources (3 to be exact) that all is well is C. P. From today, Wednesday through the weekend.
The establishments may operate with more caution and less flair. A few WGs may not show up for work but a few mongers may not show up to play either so biz is as usual until next week.
BSD
Bob Builder
07-22-09, 13:49
Now I sort of know why our foreign monger friends come over to Chang Ping/Dongguan/Shenzhen, expecting that everything is gonna be peachy keen even if they don't speak any Chinese.
Just got back last week from Shanghai - which I've not gone to for at least a a year or so. I was having myself a grand ole time at Zapata's when the thought struck me that at least 50% of the patrons there were foreigners, and that conversations were mainly conducted NOT in chinese, but in English and other foreign languages!! Good God, I might as well have been in that place during the era of the French Concession in Shanghai and during the Soong sisters era!! (Soong Ching Ling's former house is where Zapata and Sasha's restaurant is at).
I chatted up 6 gals sitting on the table next to mine and found out that they all were actually working regular jobs full time in Shanghai - but that only 1 had fluent command of Putonghua. One other spoke a smattering of such whilst the other 4 totally did not speak it at all. Gals!! Furrener Gals!! Living and working in Shanghai without knowing how to speak Chinese!! NO WONDER guys who had previously "experienced China" only in Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou etc think that they can just land in C.P./Dongguan and hit the streets running.
I mean, after going mainly to Southern China only during the past year or so, I had BASICALLY FORGOTTEN that the rest of China ain't like what Sarg 2009 describes it as being. People were courteous and civil and acts more like what I GUESS Sarg thinks all Chinese - and I guess the rest of the world - should act and think like. On top of it all, it was clean and a helluva lot safer - at least that is what I felt! Shanghai is 100% more foreign friendly than Southern China.
Guys - those of you contemplating visiting us in these parts (Southern China) - be ready to face a different China than what you'd experienced in other major Chinese Metropolisis like Shanghai. It's basically the Wild Wild West out here and you'd better come prepared. At least, hook yourself up with some other mongers who've got previous experience, contacts etc and enjoy our little piece of Paradise. And please do not come OR go being judgemental about what goes on in these parts. It is what it is!
SEAJShanghai is a great city but you get the feel of civilization for a price. They also seem to have better quality control on who they let live there.
CP is all about the gals and you only visit there.
Can anyone shed any light on whether or not this crackdown has also closed the bbs in town?
I had a trip planned to CP for the beginning of Aug but now I'm not sure what to do.
SE Asia Joe
07-23-09, 13:20
Shanghai is a great city but you get the feel of civilization for a price. They also seem to have better quality control on who they let live there.
CP is all about the gals and you only visit there.
I was chatting with A.G. and we concluded that CP is akin to South Central whilst Shanghai is Beverly Hills!!
An apt description for both the conditions as well as the pricing!
Hmmmm.... I wonder what the parralels are for Monterey Park and Alhambra?? Shenzhen?
SEAJ
Bob Builder
07-23-09, 17:48
I was chatting with A.G. and we concluded that CP is akin to South Central whilst Shanghai is Beverly Hills!!
An apt description for both the conditions as well as the pricing!
Hmmmm.... I wonder what the parralels are for Monterey Park and Alhambra?? Shenzhen?
SEAJ
The gals charge like they have gold plated, diamond incrusted pussies in both places, LOL.
Big Swingin Dave
07-23-09, 19:45
Can anyone shed any light on whether or not this crackdown has also closed the bbs in town?
I had a trip planned to CP for the beginning of Aug but now I'm not sure what to do.Don't be paranoid, everything is OK, less glamour, a bit more disgreet but everything is back as normal. Everyone is operating a bit more cautiously and if you are a new customer, you may get turned away so get some guidance and referrals from veterans when you are in town.
BSD
Jettsetter
07-23-09, 21:55
The gals charge like they have gold plated, diamond incrusted pussies in both places, LOL.
Ouch, that sounds like it would hurt... no thanks... I'll take them the way SEAJ likes them... smoothe!
Da Dicknotist
07-23-09, 22:59
I too can vouch for CP picking back up for the weekend: the economics involved always made it unlikely, but I called a couple of the KTVs and saunas and they say they will be back open for business.
Not sure I will head there this weekend though - haven't been to Zhuhai in a while, kind of miss it...
Bob Builder
07-24-09, 02:29
Ouch, that sounds like it would hurt... no thanks... I'll take them the way SEAJ likes them... smoothe!
Chinese slang equivalent to saying a girl is sitting on a pot of gold and being overpriced.
Big Swingin Dave
07-24-09, 06:07
Received a phone call from the GM of the Clipper last night and she gave me an amazing offer to me and anyone I know; however, this offer is not available on Friday/Saturday nights and may be available any other nights of the week but at Clipper's discretion.
The offer was that I can bring anyone to the Clipper KTV and get complimentary drinks and party on the house, as long as anyone either have a regular body message (198RMB, room fee included), or a Sauna room (198RMB room fee plus Girl tips at 300-400RMB). Wow, what a deal, 500RMB for Sauna including KTV. I wish I knew earlier as I took Jason Banana and two other ISG brothers to the Mayflower last night.
BSD
Jettsetter
07-24-09, 09:10
Chinese slang equivalent to saying a girl is sitting on a pot of gold and being overpriced.
yes, I know... I was making a joke.. you know.. haha... funny...
Just back from a one nighter in CP. Thanks and kudos to Big Swingin Dave for sorting everything out. I had called him prior to our visit to check if things were back to normal after the crack down and indeed they were.
I took the bus from Zhuhai and when I hopped off, I bumped into a chap I know from Zhuhai. He then proceeded to take me on a chicken run; all of which seemed back in business albeit with less girls than my last visit.
We had originally booked at the Clipper for our stay, but changed our minds as we were KTVing at the Mayflower and didn't want the post KTV trek up the road. Although the rooms are large at the Mayflower - I would have to say the Clippers rooms are a notch up. BSDave had arranged all our bookings and got us good pricing on hotel and KTV.
Picked up Panettone from the train station and rushed back for the ridiculously long line up at the Mayflower. The ever present BSDave was there to guide us through the throng of girls and use his influence with the mamasans to get us the type of girls we wanted. The amount of girls can be overwhelming; as Panettone mentioned - sometimes too much choice isn't always good. Both Panettone and I took 2 girls each, escorted them to the room where a fellow ISGer was waiting with his selection of 2 girls, checked in the hotel and went for some food.
The room was a decent size, easily accomodating us (there was 15 people in the room at one point). Usual kind of KTV room play, lots of drinking, games and singing. BSDave showed us a few games that I had never played before and that got things revved up. Unfortunately, my choice of girls were kind of stand offish in the room; one wanted to get smashed and one that wasnt a good drinker. Eventually, the "back-up" girl asked if she could leave, so I let her. Once that happened, the other girl suddenly started to flirt a lot more ...decision made then!
I've never believed in the term GFE but after my experience with this chick, I think I've changed my mind. I got the full works with her, all done with passion and enthusiasm. No fake ass moans or screaming, I could just tell she was into it. One pop, clean up and she wanted to go again. Of all the damn times to feel so tired that I couldn't.... Although I did manage a very early morning session with her before I joined Pannettone for breakfast.
A short but immensely enjoyable stay in CP. Anyone new coming here, or even if you've been here a few times - my advice is to hook with a regular here such as BSDave. You'll be in good hands in terms fun, pricing and of course safety what with all the crackdown nonsense thats happening.
B888
My short trip through China was almost over. I was sitting in a bar in HK with only 48 hours to go when I realised that 48 hours in HK was a complete waste of time. I called up B888 from Zhuhai and proposed a trip to Dongguan. B888 took up the challenge like a champ and 12 hours later I was on a train to Chang Ping with a hotel room and KTV visit already booked. Of course B888 was only the middleman. BSDave did all the groundwork and he did an amazing job. Arranged all the right places, got discounts and did all the haggling. If anything, it was too easy! Like being on a guided tour.
As mentioned in B888's post, our location was the Mayflower which has been covered before in this forum. I had a very minor KTV experience in ZH which really didn't count. This was my China KTV initiation and what an initiation it was. Hundreds of girls in uniform lining the walls, and that was just the Djs greeting you on your way into the building! The selection room was barely comprehensible to the western mind. Well over 1000 young girls lined up waiting to be selected. I thought the lineup at the Sauna 18 was the ultimate but this tops that by about 5 times. Almost all of the girls are quite hot. The mamasans push girls to you and try to get your attention. It is surreal. A bit confronting but it really is every mans fantasy. I chose two girls. Xiao Yun was slim with an amazingly pretty face. 9/10 and just my type. Bing Bing was also slim and pretty but not as pretty as Xiao Yun, maybe 7.5/10, but she did seem like she would be more fun (and she was).
What followed was a long night in a room with no windows, bad Chinese music and lots of beer. Sometimes it was boring, most of the time it was interesting but it never got sizzling. The whole time though, I had my young beauties holding my hand, arms around each other, feeding me food etc. A lot of fun. As we passed midnight it became apparent that Xiao Yun really wasnt that much fun. Such a shame as I thought she was absolutely beautiful. Turns out it was her first night on the job. I was advised by B888 and BSDave to go with Bing Bing so I gave XY her 200 and headed back to the room with Bing Bing.
We were both smashed and exhausted but had a pretty good session. She responded pretty well to everything and we did lots of positions. Her face was always screwed up like she was in pain but she assured me that she was enjoying it. At one point there was the sound of extreme violence from a room downstairs. Things being thrown and smashed and a woman screaming. The guards came running but who knows what happened. Dongguan can be a strange place I guess.
Many thanks to BSDave for an amazing night and to B888 for lining up a great time. I will remember this night for a long time and can't wait to repeat.
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Anyone new coming here, or even if you've been here a few times - my advice is to hook with a regular here such as BSDave. You'll be in good hands in terms fun, pricing and of course safety what with all the crackdown nonsense thats happening.
B888
Super Dave should charge a fee for newbies. Many are ungrateful, irresponsible and get into too much trouble. Perhaps a free dinner ?
OldAsiaHand
07-25-09, 07:05
I was chatting with A.G. and we concluded that CP is akin to South Central whilst Shanghai is Beverly Hills!!
An apt description for both the conditions as well as the pricing!
Hmmmm.... I wonder what the parralels are for Monterey Park and Alhambra?? Shenzhen?
SEAJSeaj,
I am not so familiar with LA but I have been in China for quite awhile; living in both South China, as well as, Shanghai. I think that education plays a large part on the difference between the two. Shanghai people put more emphasis on higher education and a long term future, compared to the "get rich quick" business mentality in South China. The influence of the influx of HK people to S. China in the beginning had a big affect on the mentality, whereas, the exposure to the outside in Shanghai has been more from laowais. I find the general quality of everything in Shanghai a bit better than in Guangzhou for example.
The pricing has to do with supply and demand. There is more supply of action in the South compared with Shanghai and the average income of the monger base in Shanghai is probably higher; more BSDs. And, the overall cost of living in Shanghai is higher anyway in order to pay for the higher quality.
When it comes to CP, there is no comparision for quality of life. Let's face it, the place is a dump and if it weren't for the action, none of us would even think to go there unless it was for business purposes.
Just my POV.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
07-25-09, 23:36
Received a phone call from the GM of the Clipper last night and she gave me an amazing offer to me and anyone I know; however, this offer is not available on Friday/Saturday nights and may be available any other nights of the week but at Clipper's discretion.
The offer was that I can bring anyone to the Clipper KTV and get complimentary drinks and party on the house, as long as anyone either have a regular body message (198RMB, room fee included), or a Sauna room (198RMB room fee plus Girl tips at 300-400RMB). Wow, what a deal, 500RMB for Sauna including KTV. I wish I knew earlier as I took Jason Banana and two other ISG brothers to the Mayflower last night.
BSDto BSD,
The girls at the clipper sauna sucks ,no one will take the girl there to get a free drink at the KTV ,I don't think the girl at the ktv are any better either ,better off go to Mayflower or ji yai and paid for my own drinks .
Fast eddie 48
to BSD,
The girls at the clipper sauna sucks ,no one will take the girl there to get a free drink at the KTV ,I don't think the girl at the ktv are any better either ,better off go to Mayflower or ji yai and paid for my own drinks .
Fast eddie 48
Never look a gift horse in the mouth....!!! Damn good offer if you ask me.
Lets face it Eddie, free drinks wouldn't be of any interest to you as you don't drink!
B888
SE Asia Joe
07-26-09, 08:44
to BSD,
The girls at the clipper sauna sucks ,no one will take the girl there to get a free drink at the KTV ,I don't think the girl at the ktv are any better either ,better off go to Mayflower or ji yai and paid for my own drinks .
Fast eddie 48
Eddie Eddie EDDIE!!! Here you go off blowing again!!
You of all people should know that things in China.... and Chang Ping... is always fluid. And let me tell you, what you think you know about Clipper is already outdated. Yup, totally useless!!
The Clipper sauna and footsie is under completely new management and they are doing a bang up job to try to revive/rebuild the business. We all know that the hardware there i.e. facilities are already top class and all that was needed was better "software" - i.e gals/service; and that is precisely what the new management is doing - getting sharp gals AND training them well. SO THERE!! Now go over the corner and flagellate yourself for coming up with wrong info!!
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
07-26-09, 17:02
to BSD,
The girls at the clipper sauna sucks ,no one will take the girl there to get a free drink at the KTV ,I don't think the girl at the ktv are any better either ,better off go to Mayflower or ji yai and paid for my own drinks .
Fast eddie 48Joe, Eddie has entitlement to his opinion b/c beauty is in the eye of the beholder but you are right about outdated info.
The Sauna/Footie is being run under a new GM which the hotel has outsourced to a different group which means it is no longer run by the hotel. 86 rooms are being renovated with one having a jacuzzi tub big enough for at least 10 people.
For what I have seen so far, yes, the quantity and the quality is not quite up to par with the other better Sauna establishments around town but the new GM is a real creative go-getter and I believe that in about a month's time, everyone will be surprised with the new Sauna at the Clipper.
Also, they have added a few cutties in the footie. Got a few recommendations but again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but a few of the ISG brothers have tried a couple of these beauties and they gave me the thumbs up. There are also a few fun ones (wink wink) there as well. PM me if you want my recommendations.
In regards to the KTV, it's still a work in progress but if the drinks are free then follow with a Sauna experience, it's not a bad deal since no one else in town has thought of this great idea.
Once the new rooms have been renovated (eta opening o/a September 1st), it's worth at least a try.
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
07-27-09, 04:32
Joe, Eddie has entitlement to his opinion b/c beauty is in the eye of the beholder but you are right about outdated info.
The Sauna/Footie is being run under a new GM which the hotel has outsourced to a different group which means it is no longer run by the hotel. 86 rooms are being renovated with one having a jacuzzi tub big enough for at least 10 people.
For what I have seen so far, yes, the quantity and the quality is not quite up to par with the other better Sauna establishments around town but the new GM is a real creative go-getter and I believe that in about a month's time, everyone will be surprised with the new Sauna at the Clipper.
Also, they have added a few cutties in the footie. Got a few recommendations but again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but a few of the ISG brothers have tried a couple of these beauties and they gave me the thumbs up. There are also a few fun ones (wink wink) there as well. PM me if you want my recommendations.
In regards to the KTV, it's still a work in progress but if the drinks are free then follow with a Sauna experience, it's not a bad deal since no one else in town has thought of this great idea.
Once the new rooms have been renovated (eta opening o/a September 1st), it's worth at least a try.
BSDBsd,
I think on my next trip will check out clipper sauna and KTV again, the last time I was there is last oct I was show only 4 girl and they are all below 5, my favorite sauna is still new century girl quality and service is great but expensive, but the many good value sauna in Zhu hai is hard to match.
Fast Eddie 48
Big Swingin Dave
07-27-09, 18:40
Bsd,
I think on my next trip will check out clipper sauna and KTV again, the last time I was there is last oct I was show only 4 girl and they are all below 5, my favorite sauna is still new century girl quality and service is great but expensive, but the many good value sauna in Zhu hai is hard to match.
Fast Eddie 48There are no better Sauna value than Zhu Hai. Still remember getting my BJ experience in China in Zhu Hai. Thanks to Banana888, he took me to DMY, the rooms not the greatest, the girls not the pretties, BUT the service was excellent and best of all, the price was RIGHT!
BSD
Ppp Traveler
07-27-09, 19:05
I've been reading ISG for awhile now, and I have finally decided to make a post. I subscribed to ISG and contacted Big Swingin Dave in CP because I know it's better not to go alone. In fact, I got beat up by some local drunk thugs when I went there alone 2 weeks ago (long story). I've been to many, many cities around the world alone, and now danger has finally caught up with me.
So I thank BSD for a wonderful night at the Peninsula in CP. We partied from 7:00 PM to about 1:30 AM. 6 guys and about. 10 girls? I chose two for myself. I met the first girl while walking outside the hotel. BSD said, "hey look, there are 3 girls going to work at the Pen KTV right now. See anyone you like? " And I saw a stunner, 9.5 in my book, and I said "yeah, her! " So BSD went up to her and got her info so she could join me in the room later Needless to say, it was exciting to choose a hot girl you see walking down the street, knowing that you will get to mess around with her later.
The second girl was a backup whom I chose at the KTV, after seeing about 50 girls. We had fun playing games throughout the night (especially "bing, bang, ah! ") but my girls were really stuck up. No GFE at all, and they didn't take care of me or flirt with me or anything. But this wasn't surprising, since they were both so beautiful. You sacrifice service for beauty, folks. Also, my mandarin is maybe 3rd grade level, so communication was slow. It's ok, since I enjoyed hugging and touching them.
I chose my first girl for a ST, and possible LT, at the Pen hotel. She was a 3-8-12 girl, which is very expensive by CP standards. BSD had advised me that neither of these girls would be good in bed, and I could find better value for my money. He was absolutely right. But after touching her and kissing her all night, I was too horny and reeeaaallly wanted to see her naked! So I bit the bullet. I've promised myself that next time, I am sticking to a 2-5-8 girl, strictly on principle. Besides, I don't want to encourage more 3-8-12's by increasing demand!
My girl didn't do BBBJ, and no DFK. It was pretty much standard sex, with me doing most of the work. Good thing she was hot, and I enjoyed her cute face and smooth body. I wanted her to stay overnight, but she wanted to leave. She said that she needed some sleep, and it's too hard for her to sleep with a customer. I said she should've told me before we had sex. I protested for awhile, but eventually she started dressing, so I gave her 800 and let her go.
Overall, I had a great time that night. This was the first time that I've met anyone from ISG, and the guys were really cool and down-to-earth. I realized that we are similar in many ways (background, education, interests), and that we all have one thing in common – our love for women
Thanks again, BSD, and I plan to return the favor when I see you in CP this weekend. Also, thanks for taking care of my taxi problem (a cabbie tried to rip me off – make sure they start the meter before driving off, so you know exactly how much to pay!)
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SE Asia Joe
07-28-09, 06:18
I chose my first girl for a ST, and possible LT, at the Pen hotel. She was a 3-8-12 girl, which is very expensive by CP standards. BSD had advised me that neither of these girls would be good in bed, and I could find better value for my money. He was absolutely right. But after touching her and kissing her all night, I was too horny and reeeaaallly wanted to see her naked! So I bit the bullet. I've promised myself that next time, I am sticking to a 2-5-8 girl, strictly on principle. Besides, I don't want to encourage more 3-8-12's by increasing demand!
But HEY PPP - your gal WAS really smokin' hot!!
Whilst its true that a large majority of gals who ARE good looking - and recognizes it by marketing themselves at a higher price are usually stuck up in their attitude to their profession - I sometimes will choose these gals for the challenge of POSSIBLY getting to them and breaking them down. Fun and Games!!
And if I don't manage to break 'em down - hell, at least I get a chance to look - and screw - a really good looking gal. Ain;t nuthin' wrong with that either!! Beautiful face, beautiful body, jumpin' up and down on good ole me!!
But then again, I do hate to encourage higher pricing - especially in CP - and will even try to bargain down some of these higher priced gals, before eventually deciding whether to take her or not. After all, there are also a lot of stunners even amongst the regular priced gals!!
SEAJ
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-28-09, 08:42
Just another timely reminder for y'all to be extra careful out in CP and surrounds.
Things are getting worse with the strike hard campaign taking punter's $$ off the table from a lot of the service providers and their various hanger ons.
Not only are the gals themselves constantly being robbed and roughed up, but these "boyfriends" are also feeling the pinch from the gals' reduced takings; these roaming small time gangsters are now targetting just about anybody they feel has some $$ and not bothering to be subtle/resorting to pretty violent means i.e. beer bottling, smashing heads, knifing etc.
The "powers that be" - both black as well as white - don't like any kind of violence or petty crime happening in any of their "market places" like CP, and driving their customers away. They know that crime is bad for business, but things are getting so bad, that they've basically lost control. Just too many desperate people around with all the factories closing, businesses folding - and now the strike hard campaign.
Best you always team up with somebody who knows his way around and never go to dubious places by yourself. Just IMHO. BE Safe
SEAJ
In fact, I got beat up by some local drunk thugs when I went there alone 2 weeks ago (long story). I've been to many, many cities around the world alone, and now danger has finally caught up with me.
Hi, please do tell us the long story of your ordeals with the drunk thugs two weeks ago. It'll warn the readers of this thread and help keep ISGers cautious of such crimes.
Hotel report.. Stayed in Mayflower and Clipper a few weeks ago, thanks to BSD on recommendations.
Mayflower has top notch service, wireless in lobby, good internet, great ktv, but no massage on premises and no sauna though supposedly going to open one. breakfast is decent with decent coffee, but if you want a cappacino they charge 40 rmb!. KTV at mayflower is Jia Yi++, good quality, same layout, longer lines, although they have cleaned up some of the girls from Swan Lake and such to bring up their number. yes there were some that were down right ugly and even some old ones - which is new for me to see older girls at ktv. but there were plenty to choose from. attitudes for the most part were good except for the one girl i chose twice who bailed on me the second night. i think she was bitter that she wasn't taken home the first night and was an alternate on the second. cute and fun though.
First night I had a decent looking girl that BSD chose, but her bedside service was lame so i tossed her and went to sauna. Second night i had two cuties, tough choice but the right one. Former Hua Du girl lots of fun, good connection which always helps.
Can always fall my room was 2nd floor in 2nd bldg and very very dark. too dark. the curvy sex couch is perfect for playing and a big bonus to their rooms. basically it is a small armless sofa that is shaped like 1/2 of a violin.up down up and a great bit of fun. however the small, dark room sent me looking elsewhere.
moved to clipper and had a great room with steam room in the bathroom much like the huihua has at their sauna. very nice to relax in and chill. nice rooms there, excellent maid service, no problem getting more towels or them to remake room after an afternoon tromp for the evening girl. good cover should you have a regular as it is hard to explain how you came back to your room in the afternoon, messed up the sheets and bathroom and used all the towels. i didn't tip the maid as i never know if you should, but she deserved it.
Clipper KTV is interesting. They only maybe have a selection of 50-60 girls but quite a variety. Unfortunately both of my choices were tagged, as in cannot go out. but I didn't see anyone else I would choose, so figured roll with it and call in reserves. The interesting part was they have a 300 / 30 min strip tease girl and she was pretty good actually could dance and had a nice body. again - something to break up the monotony of dice and karaoke.
Was cheap too for food/drinks at like 220/head with dj.
Breakfast at clipper is pretty good, decent coffee which is tough to find. i'd say better than starbucks in cp. they also have french press coffee which is good.
tried massage at clipper and it was decent even if the girls weren't that cute. room is average kind of like pozilim in styling. didn't check out sauna as i had appt at HH.
HH sauna good as usual, recommend 69 for a non-han chinese girls with excellent service. cute and service oriented. i had to rush out in 35 minutes (double stacking), she immediately understood and compacted the session accordingly. they still have flower street at 12 on friday and saturday for your choosing. i saw a few guys doing take out from the flower street presumably to their rooms in HH.
Lastly had a good time at PP once again. great to have a big group and BSD introduced a few new games which actually is refreshing not to play the dice game over and over.
also note that the Mayflower is down the road from the swan lake and clipper, but i don't particularly feel comfortable on that road walking alone or even with pairs. a bit too dark, a bit too unobserved. better off walking behind the xinde disco where the cars go, some how feels safer.
that is another strike against mayflower, its location requires walking through an uneasy area. If you are going to the Mayflower KTV then absolutely stay there, or only going to KTV in cabs. If you like to walk about to your hotel, just don't walk to Mayflower at night alone.
there also isn't a store nearby for smokes, drinks, snacks, it feels as if you left CP to go to Mayflower.
in daytime no problems - seems very safe, but at night and a little drunk i could see someone getting rolled. also the xinde disco attracts some of the locals who might seek an opportunity. that is my 2 cents though.
the area in front of swan lake and clipper is pretty crowded all the time, so seems safer although there have been reports of brazen behavior.
lastly i have to agree with BSD, the fact that the vendors dump the garbage in the street for cleanup makes the area a bit less desirable. they could use a garbage can.
i did do one chicken run this trip and there was nothing, maybe 2-3 girls through it was friday night at about 5.30pm.
Ppp Traveler
07-28-09, 17:33
hey guys, try not to travel alone, but if you have to, then remember to keep a low profile and be alert for danger. and be especially careful in smaller towns.
2 weeks ago, i was eating and drinking by myself at a bar/restaurant down an alley in changping, at about 10:00 pm. i was sitting at a table outside the restaurant. i took my camera out to take a few photos (probably not a smart idea here), and 3 guys sitting at the next table saw me, stood up, and approached me. they looked like some drunk local thugs or gangsters. one guy wanted my camera to see if i took any pictures of them. i said no, since there was a 90% chance that he wouldn't give it back after getting his hands on it. and then he grabbed my shoulder. i swiped his arm and said “don’t touch me!” in english. i ran into the restaurant, where there were about 20 customers and some staff. i thought i was safe with so many people around, but the guys ran after me, grabbed me, pushed me down, and smashed a beer bottle over my head. i saw blood, got up, and ran. one guy chased me for 4 seconds, and then threw another beer bottle at me, missing me as it went past my right arm. if i hadn’t ran, i might’ve been beaten into a bloody pulp.
i flagged down a taxi, who took me to the hospital. total cost for mri, stitches, iv, and drugs was around 800 rmb. i called the police, but all they did was write up a report, took some pictures, and sent me back to my hotel. i wanted to take them back to the restaurant to investigate and interview the workers, but they said "no need, if we find them, we'll call you". they're probably more interested in stabbings and murders anyway. so now i have 5 stitches and a bad memory of changping :(
now, this could've happened anywhere in china. and there are thugs like this all over the world. so i don't hate my attackers, for the same reason that i don't hate vultures or hyenas for being what they are. china is still relatively poor, and there are many poor, unemployed, uneducated, and resentful people out there. many locals get mugged and robbed, but we foreigners are in greater danger. we come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. we dominate them socio-economically. how would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? the human animal is the same way.
some advice:
1) always have the police's number on speed dial on your phone.
2) always know where you are, including street names, landmarks, and directions to main streets.
3) if you sense danger, just run, and keep yelling "jing cha!" (police!) as loud as you can.
stay safe, guys!!
Big Swingin Dave
07-28-09, 18:40
I got an invitation tonight to visit some new friends at Mayflower tonight and the place was quiet. I got to the flower street around 7pm, no girls! Just a few milling around. I walked around a bit and saw at least 25% of the rooms were empty.
I left Mayflower at around 8pm and made a few calls around and found that it was a slow night all around town, perhaps it was because of the raids last week turning away a few customers but just got a eerie feeling that something just ain't right but I can't put my finger on it.
I spoke to one of the Manhattan mommies and found out that at 7pm, there were about 300 girls at the flower street with only about 10 customers selecting girls. The business got so bad that she took all her girls out for dinner at 8pm and all did not return afterwards.
All places reported with working at less than 50% capacity, it could be the economy, the day of night, and the raids but whatever it is, things are not quite normal in C. P. With more KTVs opening up (a new 5 STAR KTV in late September, another KTV across the street from JY in November and the new Swan Lake KTV in late December), business can only get worse for most places.
BSD
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We come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. We dominate them socio-economically. How would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? The human animal is the same way.
you are very astute here.
PPP which alleyway was that in? out of curiousity and for informaition. 10pm isn't that late either.
I've often eaten behind the Hui Mei at the restaurant outside area that Santa frequents when in town. he introduced me to the area and to the Alibaba lamb guy. lots of people but lots of angry drunk folks too.
i have eaten there at 2 and 3 am without (luckly) incident, but usually not alone but with a few girls.
sorry to hear of your scare. you should have gone to the sewing girl by the Swan lake for the stiches, those docs must have been drinking...
good example of the chinese minding their own business when you went inside and the action continued though. word to the wise.
Ppp Traveler
07-28-09, 22:56
PPP which alleyway was that in? out of curiousity and for informaition. 10pm isn't that late either.
I've often eaten behind the Hui Mei at the restaurant outside area that Santa frequents when in town. he introduced me to the area and to the Alibaba lamb guy. lots of people but lots of angry drunk folks too.In fact, it is very close to the Hui Mei Hotel. It's in an alleyway behind the Lucky Hotel. Go out the Lucky Hotel, walk left, take the first left (at the PP Club), take the first right, and walk down to the end, until the road turns sharply left. Follow that left turn, and go all the way down to the last bar/restaurant. They barbecue oysters and other food on the left side of the restaurant. Since it's the last restaurant on the road, the staff are probably used to seeing many thugs and riffraff, so maybe that's why they didn't help me. I don't know the name of the place, but the waiters all wear a green uniform with the red "Tsingtao" beer logo on it. See the picture of the restaurant below.
Be careful out there,
PPP
Hollow Man
07-28-09, 22:59
Hey guys, try not to travel alone, but if you have to, then remember to keep a low profile and be alert for danger. And be especially careful in smaller towns.Wow, you had really bad luck, but you made all the right moves. I'm Chinese and you did everything you could and should have. The cops won't help any either.
PPP which alleyway was that in? out of curiousity and for informaition. 10pm isn't that late either.
I've often eaten behind the Hui Mei at the restaurant outside area that Santa frequents when in town. he introduced me to the area and to the Alibaba lamb guy. lots of people but lots of angry drunk folks too.
i have eaten there at 2 and 3 am without (luckly) incident, but usually not alone but with a few girls.
sorry to hear of your scare. you should have gone to the sewing girl by the Swan lake for the stiches, those docs must have been drinking...
good example of the chinese minding their own business when you went inside and the action continued though. Word to the wise.Part of the problem is we get no help from the local population or police. They are invariably docile. They will mind their own business, even seeing someone being beat up by a gang.
Hh sauna good as usual, recommend 69 for a non-han Chinese girls with excellent service. Cute and service oriented. I had to rush out in 35 minutes (double stacking), she immediately understood and compacted the session accordingly. They still have flower street at 12 on Friday and Saturday for your choosing. I saw a few guys doing take out from the flower street presumably to their rooms in HH.
I've only been to HH for sauna and I have to say the service is excellent. However, I do think that the girls are more into the routine than the deed. As has been reviewed on this board many times, they have a unique BBBJ routine. Although its pretty cool, the girls are more into getting through the routine than actually giving a sensual BBBJ. Are there other sauna's that are perhaps less into all the crazy stuff and more focused on the actual service itself? I've been told Virgin might be a good place to try.
hey guys, try not to travel alone, but if you have to, then remember to keep a low profile and be alert for danger. and be especially careful in smaller towns.
2 weeks ago, i was eating and drinking by myself at a bar/restaurant down an alley in changping, at about 10:00 pm. i was sitting at a table outside the restaurant. i took my camera out to take a few photos (probably not a smart idea here), and 3 guys sitting at the next table saw me, stood up, and approached me. they looked like some drunk local thugs or gangsters. one guy wanted my camera to see if i took any pictures of them. i said no, since there was a 90% chance that he wouldn't give it back after getting his hands on it. and then he grabbed my shoulder. i swiped his arm and said “don’t touch me!” in english. i ran into the restaurant, where there were about 20 customers and some staff. i thought i was safe with so many people around, but the guys ran after me, grabbed me, pushed me down, and smashed a beer bottle over my head. i saw blood, got up, and ran. one guy chased me for 4 seconds, and then threw another beer bottle at me, missing me as it went past my right arm. if i hadn’t ran, i might’ve been beaten into a bloody pulp.
i flagged down a taxi, who took me to the hospital. total cost for mri, stitches, iv, and drugs was around 800 rmb. i called the police, but all they did was write up a report, took some pictures, and sent me back to my hotel. i wanted to take them back to the restaurant to investigate and interview the workers, but they said "no need, if we find them, we'll call you". they're probably more interested in stabbings and murders anyway. so now i have 5 stitches and a bad memory of changping :(
now, this could've happened anywhere in china. and there are thugs like this all over the world. so i don't hate my attackers, for the same reason that i don't hate vultures or hyenas for being what they are. china is still relatively poor, and there are many poor, unemployed, uneducated, and resentful people out there. many locals get mugged and robbed, but we foreigners are in greater danger. we come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. we dominate them socio-economically. how would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? the human animal is the same way.
some advice:
1) always have the police's number on speed dial on your phone.
2) always know where you are, including street names, landmarks, and directions to main streets.
3) if you sense danger, just run, and keep yelling "jing cha!" (police!) as loud as you can.
stay safe, guys!!wow. how scary. sorry to see those photos of you. i will think twice before going to changping for some r&r. china seems to be a lot more dangerous with the economy being bad. too bad, some have to resort to crime to live. lucky there are many other destinations, we mongers, can go with less hassle and danger.
Member #4491
07-29-09, 02:38
Now, this could've happened anywhere in China. And there are thugs like this all over the world. So I don't hate my attackers, for the same reason that I don't hate vultures or hyenas for being what they are. China is still relatively poor, and there are many poor, unemployed, uneducated, and resentful people out there. Many locals get mugged and robbed, but we foreigners are in greater danger. We come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. We dominate them socio-economically. How would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? The human animal is the same way.
STAY SAFE, GUYS!!First I wanted to just write the simple advice to just drop it emotionally and move on, but let me ask you - does this type of construction make your ego feel less bruised? I recognize the pattern from when something similar happened to a friend of mine. Like some sort of warped version of the Stockholm syndrome, but with a twist of “even if they kicked my ass I am better than them because after all they are the victims”. It is hard to handle a beating, I know, and at the same time amazing to share the rationalizing some people create to deal with issues relating to pride.
Last time I checked, China owned large parts of the world so the domination goes both ways, mate. Whats there to say you just did not cross their boundaries of integrity by shooting pictures of them? The end was unfortunate for you, but it was rude not to just delete the pictures relating to their presence. They did not kick your ass because you “fuck their women and take their job”. They did it because you pissed in the wrong back yard, got physical and then thought you could run and seek rescue in their hang out. Learn the lesson never to play Steven Seagal and you will be safe.
Truly respect people and your color of the skin will not matter. It is simple. There is no “we”, just a bunch of individuals doing stuff and generating reactions.
Regards Barba (going on the road so I might not check back in a while for replies)
JohnSmith001
07-29-09, 03:23
Hey guys, try not to travel alone, but if you have to, then remember to keep a low profile and be alert for danger. And be especially careful in smaller towns.That really sux!
I don't know if you were ever in the military, they teach you to avoid these kinds of shady places, and if you are alone, don't drink, always keep your wits about yourself.
The meanest of thugs will usually avoid you based on your demeanor.
Asian guys love to try to stare foreigners down, that's how they size you up. Everywhere in Asia, Japan, China, Korea, etc.
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)
If you do this. They won't bother you, matter of fact, they will avoid you altogether. 100% proven.
Except in broad-Daylight and public areas. Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids! They know when they are safe, and that's in public areas with camera's and in broad-daylight, where they can pull all kinds of BS and they know there are plenty of people around to back-up their story or help them out. In those instances, you can't win, because they will know, they can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite. But then again, in those surroundings you needn't worry about being attacked.
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude. And these fuck-heads, will pick that up, right away. They will stay clear. I am only 5'9" and 155lbs and I have never had a problem, even the biggest of guys, will give me a wide berth. (But I don't drink, and my 20 years in the military and regular 20 mile runs and 10 mile swims help)
When in doubt, always remember:
*You have to attack an ambush, never turn and run.
What this means is, if you feel you are being closed in upon by a some people or a group, intentionally turn toward them and start walking directly for the biggest and meanest, with the "I don't give a fuck, you want some of me? " look in your eyes. This will throw them off their game, they will open up and let you by, no problem. Works with even Yakuza! Trust me! Best defense is sometimes the strongest offense.
It will keep you safe. But doesn't work in NY or LA when dealing with REAL bad dues like Gangs or Mafia, who actually have guns, and like that kind of thing, but works very very well in Asia! Trust me! Been there, done that. And then some.
Glad to hear you made it out a alive.
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Jaimito Cartero
07-29-09, 04:44
I'd also try not to take pictures of people that might object, in a public setting. Don't give them a reason to screw with you.
Bob Builder
07-29-09, 05:56
That really sux!
I don't know if you were ever in the military, they teach you to avoid these kinds of shady places, and if you are alone, don't drink, always keep your wits about yourself.
The meanest of thugs will usually avoid you based on your demeanor.
Asian guys love to try to stare foreigners down, that's how they size you up. Everywhere in Asia, Japan, China, Korea, etc.
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)
If you do this. They won't bother you, matter of fact, they will avoid you altogether. 100% proven.
Except in broad-Daylight and public areas. Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids! They know when they are safe, and that's in public areas with camera's and in broad-daylight, where they can pull all kinds of BS and they know there are plenty of people around to back-up their story or help them out. In those instances, you can't win, because they will know, they can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite. But then again, in those surroundings you needn't worry about being attacked.
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude. And these fuck-heads, will pick that up, right away. They will stay clear. I am only 5'9" and 155lbs and I have never had a problem, even the biggest of guys, will give me a wide berth. (But I don't drink, and my 20 years in the military and regular 20 mile runs and 10 mile swims help)
When in doubt, always remember:
*You have to attack an ambush, never turn and run.
What this means is, if you feel you are being closed in upon by a some people or a group, intentionally turn toward them and start walking directly for the biggest and meanest, with the "I don't give a fuck, you want some of me? " look in your eyes. This will throw them off their game, they will open up and let you by, no problem. Works with even Yakuza! Trust me! Best defense is sometimes the strongest offense.
It will keep you safe. But doesn't work in NY or LA when dealing with REAL bad dues like Gangs or Mafia, who actually have guns, and like that kind of thing, but works very very well in Asia! Trust me! Been there, done that. And then some.
Glad to hear you made it out a alive.
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Don't think your approach is going to work for everyone here because they are not as confident, well trained or as in good physical condition. The aggressive approach does work sometimes but you may have something to back it up with, others might not. I think most of the mongers here would classify themselves as "lovers, not fighters", but I could be wrong.
Thugs are good at picking their targets and as you read, lots of the time guys here are out partying, have had a few drinks too many and look an easy score.
also note that the Mayflower is down the road from the swan lake and clipper, but i don't particularly feel comfortable on that road walking alone or even with pairs. a bit too dark, a bit too unobserved. better off walking behind the xinde disco where the cars go, some how feels safer.
that is another strike against mayflower, its location requires walking through an uneasy area. If you are going to the Mayflower KTV then absolutely stay there, or only going to KTV in cabs. If you like to walk about to your hotel, just don't walk to Mayflower at night alone.
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I don't see why they don't put up public lights in that area, that street. It'll pass with a resounding YEA...and make the street look really pretty.
The traffic along that street is also horrible. The honking goes long into the morning. I guess it's the only way in and out of the KTVs...
Big Swingin Dave
07-29-09, 09:27
The old Swan Lake KTV officially closed it's door today and the staff including the WGs have moved into the Juang Hui Hotel. One of the mommy told me that the sitting fee has increased to 200RMB, 350 for ST, and 650 for LT for all new customers. For the regulars that have frequented there before, the 300 ST and 600 LT still applies but the sitting fee is fixed at 200RMB for all. They still offer BBSque service in the afternoon for 200RMB for regulars and 250RMB for newcomers.
The Juang Hui hotel is located in the backlot of the Manhattan hotel, directly across the street from the Manhattan Apartment.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
07-29-09, 11:20
That really sux!
I don't know if you were ever in the military, they teach you to avoid these kinds of shady places, and if you are alone, don't drink, always keep your wits about yourself.
The meanest of thugs will usually avoid you based on your demeanor.
Asian guys love to try to stare foreigners down, that's how they size you up. Everywhere in Asia, Japan, China, Korea, etc.
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)
If you do this. They won't bother you, matter of fact, they will avoid you altogether. 100% proven.
Except in broad-Daylight and public areas. Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids! They know when they are safe, and that's in public areas with camera's and in broad-daylight, where they can pull all kinds of BS and they know there are plenty of people around to back-up their story or help them out. In those instances, you can't win, because they will know, they can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite. But then again, in those surroundings you needn't worry about being attacked.
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude. And these fuck-heads, will pick that up, right away. They will stay clear. I am only 5'9" and 155lbs and I have never had a problem, even the biggest of guys, will give me a wide berth. (But I don't drink, and my 20 years in the military and regular 20 mile runs and 10 mile swims help)
When in doubt, always remember:
*You have to attack an ambush, never turn and run.
What this means is, if you feel you are being closed in upon by a some people or a group, intentionally turn toward them and start walking directly for the biggest and meanest, with the "I don't give a fuck, you want some of me? " look in your eyes. This will throw them off their game, they will open up and let you by, no problem. Works with even Yakuza! Trust me! Best defense is sometimes the strongest offense.
It will keep you safe. But doesn't work in NY or LA when dealing with REAL bad dues like Gangs or Mafia, who actually have guns, and like that kind of thing, but works very very well in Asia! Trust me! Been there, done that. And then some.
Glad to hear you made it out a alive.
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OH WOW!!! You musta been reading Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people!!
20 years in the Military and 20 years in Japan - and how is it that you've been getting away with saying things like "....Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids ..........can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite............" Yapping like a little DOG??!! Christ!! You serious man? Where do you get off saying things like that?
In your own words - "....Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)..." Wellllll.... you may not give a flying fuck about YOUR life - but you're telling one and all here - and in all of Asia - to go out and have themselves killed by giving this over the top advise.
This is precisely the kind of attitude - and behaviour - we do NOT need from foreigners in China and in Asia. Yup, you're really gonna make all us foreigners reallllly reallly popular with the local population. You really think that its Rah Rah Rah USA all the way dontcha??!! OMIGAWD!!
Just IMHO - but its a real pissed off H.O. I'm expressing here.
SEAJ
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Robin Mill
07-29-09, 11:35
[QUOTE=Ppp Traveler]anyway. So now I have 5 stitches and a bad memory of Changping.
Now, this could've happened anywhere in China. And there are thugs like this all over the world. So I don't hate my attackers, for the same reason that I don't hate vultures or hyenas for being what they are. China is still relatively poor, and there are many poor, unemployed, uneducated, and resentful people out there. Many locals get mugged and robbed, but we foreigners are in greater danger. We come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. We dominate them socio-economically. How would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? The human animal is the same way.[QUOTE]Damn! Just your luck to meet up with those nasty Chinese!
If I were in the same situation, I will probably sling the camera around my wrist, and show them that I didn't take their picture. You are right in not passing the camera to them.
My guess is your action of 'Do not touch me' provoke them, and they are just looking at this chance to bash you up. Chinese value a lot on face, and if they are in number, they will not back down, due to lose of face.
I strongly discourage anyone to follow JohnSmith advices of not running and go head to head with them. You are just asking to be another statistics on the street. Remember, these guys has NOTHING to lose except their face. Their only value is their face, and you think they will lose it for you?
Unless of course you look as fit and mean as JohnSmith (My guess: P), who can handle all of them at one go.
In such situation, eat the humble pie, be friendly, chat them up, buy them drinks. THIS 100% work in my opinion.
You want to be a dead hero? Or a live coward? In such time and places, I choose the latter.
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