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Robin Mill
07-29-09, 11:41
OH WOW!!! You musta been reading Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people!!
20 years in the Military and 20 years in Japan - and how is it that you've been getting away with saying things like "....Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids ..........can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite............" Yapping like a little DOG??!! Christ!! You serious man? Where do you get off saying things like that?
In your own words - "....Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)..." Wellllll.... you may not give a flying fuck about YOUR life - but you're telling one and all here - and in all of Asia - to go out and have themselves killed by giving this over the top advise.
This is precisely the kind of attitude - and behaviour - we do NOT need from foreigners in China and in Asia. Yup, you're really gonna make all us foreigners reallllly reallly popular with the local population. You really think that its Rah Rah Rah USA all the way dontcha??!! OMIGAWD!!
Just IMHO - but its a real pissed off H.O. I'm expressing here.
SEAJ
OAlways love reading SEAJ comment and advices, and i think a mongers who want to stay alive and have fun in China should heed SEAJ advices too. He has being mongering for very long, and is very wise.
I am a Chinese myself, though not from China, but i do not agreed or like what JohnSmith remark about Chinese there. And yes, we do value face a lot, even for me as it is in our culture.
I am small built and skinny. But if JohnSmith go head on head with me, with my friends around me for whatever reasons, i will 100% get into a fight with him. 100% proven! :p
That really sux!
I don't know if you were ever in the military, they teach you to avoid these kinds of shady places, and if you are alone, don't drink, always keep your wits about yourself.
The meanest of thugs will usually avoid you based on your demeanor.
Asian guys love to try to stare foreigners down, that's how they size you up. Everywhere in Asia, Japan, China, Korea, etc.
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)
If you do this. They won't bother you, matter of fact, they will avoid you altogether. 100% proven.
Except in broad-Daylight and public areas. Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids! They know when they are safe, and that's in public areas with camera's and in broad-daylight, where they can pull all kinds of BS and they know there are plenty of people around to back-up their story or help them out. In those instances, you can't win, because they will know, they can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite. But then again, in those surroundings you needn't worry about being attacked.
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude. And these fuck-heads, will pick that up, right away. They will stay clear. I am only 5'9" and 155lbs and I have never had a problem, even the biggest of guys, will give me a wide berth. (But I don't drink, and my 20 years in the military and regular 20 mile runs and 10 mile swims help)
When in doubt, always remember:
*You have to attack an ambush, never turn and run.
What this means is, if you feel you are being closed in upon by a some people or a group, intentionally turn toward them and start walking directly for the biggest and meanest, with the "I don't give a fuck, you want some of me? " look in your eyes. This will throw them off their game, they will open up and let you by, no problem. Works with even Yakuza! Trust me! Best defense is sometimes the strongest offense.
It will keep you safe. But doesn't work in NY or LA when dealing with REAL bad dues like Gangs or Mafia, who actually have guns, and like that kind of thing, but works very very well in Asia! Trust me! Been there, done that. And then some.
Glad to hear you made it out a alive.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.The above is not a wise advice. We are lovers, not fighters. If things are that bad in Changping, I rather monger elsewhere. Afterall, there are plenty of other places to go where there are beautiful women, good hotels, safer environments, better grasp of English, etc. Why risk it? Life is too short to be battling locals.
Big Swingin Dave
07-29-09, 17:35
Found out the reason for the 200RMB sitting fee. Starting next week, the girls will be topless when they sit with you in the KTV room. Management will provide short time room for free of charge (regular customers only) if you need it, 350ST, 650LT (300/600 for regular customers).
BSD
OldAsiaHand
07-29-09, 17:37
In your own words - "....Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)..." Wellllll.... you may not give a flying fuck about YOUR life - but you're telling one and all here - and in all of Asia - to go out and have themselves killed by giving this over the top advise.
IMHO, Ppp Traveler did exactly the right thing when he realized he was all on his own in the restaurant; get the hell out of there as fast as he could. At least, he is still talking about it. The lesson to be learned is to avoid any contact and any chance of provocation with the local thugs. They were obviously looking for trouble and used the picture taking as an excuse to start trouble. Hindsight is 20/20 but it may have even been a good idea to show them the camera if he really did not photograph them. Or, just get up and leave the place when they started to approach him. And, speaking English to them in a loud way didn't help either; just fueled the fury so to speak. I suppose he speaks Chinese.
From what I have seen in China, if he tried to fight back, either physically or verbally, they would have just ganged up on him and beat the shit out of him.
Just my POV.
OAH
However, I do think that the girls are more into the routine than the deed. As has been reviewed on this board many times, they have a unique BBBJ routine. Although its pretty cool, the girls are more into getting through the routine than actually giving a sensual BBBJ. Are there other sauna's that are perhaps less into all the crazy stuff and more focused on the actual service itself? I've been told Virgin might be a good place to try.
That has more to do with the connection than the girl. if they don't like you it is routine. Virgin i have had good and very bad luck as in changed the girl. HH i have had better luck having true fun with the girls. also taking them to the room sometimes helps as the routine is broken and you can make your own. also i think 95% hate doing the cat bath and i just don't get it. so if you 'give' them permission to vary from routine you might get them more into it. it helps if they have some physical attraction to you. don't forget if they don't follow routine and you don't ask otherwise, you could report them and they get fined. so you have to take the lead.
and follow sage SEAJ, treat them like girls not sex machines and they will oblige accordingly
[QUOTE=JohnSmith001]
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude.
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Hey Joe, looks like OWL is back! :D
Ok, lets see if I got this right going to CP from HK.
Coming from HK, take the KCR train to SZ--cross border at LoWU and walk across some bridge find another train station?and take the local train to CP.
Now maybe I'm wrong but did someone say the stop for CP is not CP but actually Dongguan?. Someone said this is one of the cheapest ways to reach CP from HK.
Not sure what the price difference is (or the time difference) --not sure if the price is worth it, but doesn't the KCR from HK go directed to CP (again, not sure if the stop for CP is CP or Dongguan.
For those that frequent this route, Thanks for clarifying the confusion for me.
That really sux!
I don't know if you were ever in the military, they teach you to avoid these kinds of shady places, and if you are alone, don't drink, always keep your wits about yourself.
The meanest of thugs will usually avoid you based on your demeanor.
Asian guys love to try to stare foreigners down, that's how they size you up. Everywhere in Asia, Japan, China, Korea, etc.
You just have to look right back right at them and mouth a couple words at them like, "Come on fuck head, Let's go! "
Exactly like you don't give a flying fuck about life and you are ready to kill them at the drop of a hat. (but then again maybe I don't really care.)
If you do this. They won't bother you, matter of fact, they will avoid you altogether. 100% proven.
Except in broad-Daylight and public areas. Asian guys know when they can get away with shit, just like little kids! They know when they are safe, and that's in public areas with camera's and in broad-daylight, where they can pull all kinds of BS and they know there are plenty of people around to back-up their story or help them out. In those instances, you can't win, because they will know, they can always start yapping like a little dog, all bark, no bite. But then again, in those surroundings you needn't worry about being attacked.
As in the martial arts, always focus first on the biggest and meanest, you have to have that, "I don't give a fuck! " attitude. And these fuck-heads, will pick that up, right away. They will stay clear. I am only 5'9" and 155lbs and I have never had a problem, even the biggest of guys, will give me a wide berth. (But I don't drink, and my 20 years in the military and regular 20 mile runs and 10 mile swims help)
When in doubt, always remember:
*You have to attack an ambush, never turn and run.
What this means is, if you feel you are being closed in upon by a some people or a group, intentionally turn toward them and start walking directly for the biggest and meanest, with the "I don't give a fuck, you want some of me? " look in your eyes. This will throw them off their game, they will open up and let you by, no problem. Works with even Yakuza! Trust me! Best defense is sometimes the strongest offense.
It will keep you safe. But doesn't work in NY or LA when dealing with REAL bad dues like Gangs or Mafia, who actually have guns, and like that kind of thing, but works very very well in Asia! Trust me! Been there, done that. And then some.
Glad to hear you made it out a alive.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I do not agree with your point of view. First of all, you are in another country, not the good USofA. You need to be aware of the cultural ways and customs of that country. If you think you are big and bad, there is always someone bigger and badder. If you don't start trouble, trouble won't come looking for you. If you are not able to deal with the cultural differences and respect them, stay the hell out. It is people like you that will ruin it for the rest of us humble guys.
Mrmom1969
hey guys, try not to travel alone, but if you have to, then remember to keep a low profile and be alert for danger. and be especially careful in smaller towns.
2 weeks ago, i was eating and drinking by myself at a bar/restaurant down an alley in changping, at about 10:00 pm. i was sitting at a table outside the restaurant. i took my camera out to take a few photos (probably not a smart idea here), and 3 guys sitting at the next table saw me, stood up, and approached me. they looked like some drunk local thugs or gangsters. one guy wanted my camera to see if i took any pictures of them. i said no, since there was a 90% chance that he wouldn't give it back after getting his hands on it. and then he grabbed my shoulder. i swiped his arm and said “don’t touch me!” in english. i ran into the restaurant, where there were about 20 customers and some staff. i thought i was safe with so many people around, but the guys ran after me, grabbed me, pushed me down, and smashed a beer bottle over my head. i saw blood, got up, and ran. one guy chased me for 4 seconds, and then threw another beer bottle at me, missing me as it went past my right arm. if i hadn’t ran, i might’ve been beaten into a bloody pulp.
i flagged down a taxi, who took me to the hospital. total cost for mri, stitches, iv, and drugs was around 800 rmb. i called the police, but all they did was write up a report, took some pictures, and sent me back to my hotel. i wanted to take them back to the restaurant to investigate and interview the workers, but they said "no need, if we find them, we'll call you". they're probably more interested in stabbings and murders anyway. so now i have 5 stitches and a bad memory of changping :(
now, this could've happened anywhere in china. and there are thugs like this all over the world. so i don't hate my attackers, for the same reason that i don't hate vultures or hyenas for being what they are. china is still relatively poor, and there are many poor, unemployed, uneducated, and resentful people out there. many locals get mugged and robbed, but we foreigners are in greater danger. we come in, take their jobs, screw their women, and lower their status. we dominate them socio-economically. how would a lion feel if you walked into its territory and steal its food? the human animal is the same way.
some advice:
1) always have the police's number on speed dial on your phone.
2) always know where you are, including street names, landmarks, and directions to main streets.
3) if you sense danger, just run, and keep yelling "jing cha!" (police!) as loud as you can.
stay safe, guys!!sorry to hear about your ordeal. you never know when and if this stuff can happen to you or me. remember you are in the wild wild west. i have been going to chang ping for a long time and it seems like there is a lot more bad happenings occurring lately. maybe time to move on to bkk or other places that are a little more civilized.
mrmom1969
2 weeks ago, I was eating and drinking by myself at a bar/restaurant down an alley in Changping, at about 10:00 PM. I was sitting at a table outside the restaurant. I took my camera out to take a few photos (probably not a smart idea here), and 3 guys sitting at the next table saw me, stood up, and approached me. They looked like some drunk local thugs or gangsters. One guy wanted my camera to see if I took any pictures of them. I said no, since there was a 90% chance that he wouldn't give it back after getting his hands on it. And then he grabbed my shoulder. I swiped his arm and said “don’t touch me!” in English. I ran into the restaurant, where there were about 20 customers and some staff. I thought I was safe with so many people around, but the guys ran after me, grabbed me, pushed me down, and smashed a beer bottle over my head. I saw blood, got up, and ran. One guy chased me for 4 seconds, and then threw another beer bottle at me, missing me as it went past my right arm. If I hadn’t ran, I might’ve been beaten into a bloody pulp.
The idea that by running into the restaurant you would get local concerned citizens to help you was naive, to say the least (am still LMAORAOTF). Even here in Hong Kong I have seen triads beating up other triads, with "security" people cowering on the side of the street, too afraid to intervene. The Mainland police would just call this a 'personal dispute' and they have no interest in getting their hands dirty with punks, given their intmate relationship with said punks, unless they are under direct orders to do so from much higher up in a single situation.
Years ago, maybe 1991, I took a picture of an old house in a residential area of Tianjin, because I liked its stained-glass bay windows, and thought they might actually be by Tiffany. As soon as I clicked, three bad-looking gorillas emerged from _absolutely nowhere_ and demanded my camera. I played dumb, pretended I thought they wanted me to take _their_ picture, and eventually they let me go. I still have the negative (this was pre-digital cameras), but I was lucky.
Mega
Phantomtiger2
07-30-09, 01:57
Ok, lets see if I got this right going to CP from HK.
Coming from HK, take the KCR train to SZ--cross border at LoWU and walk across some bridge find another train station?and take the local train to CP.
Now maybe I'm wrong but did someone say the stop for CP is not CP but actually Dongguan?. Someone said this is one of the cheapest ways to reach CP from HK.
Not sure what the price difference is (or the time difference) --not sure if the price is worth it, but doesn't the KCR from HK go directed to CP (again, not sure if the stop for CP is CP or Dongguan.
For those that frequent this route, Thanks for clarifying the confusion for me.
I believe the actual station name (stop) for Chang Ping is Dongguan and not CP.
I don't have the details as I have not travel this route yet but perhaps others with more experience can help you.
BTW: I do remember reading that the HK MTR have a 1st class express train from Hung Hom station to CP. Not really sure if you can only board from only Hung Hom station as this train line originates at Tsim Sha Tsui and also connects with MTR subways at Kowloon Tong.
Like I said, best if other experts answer this.
PT
Ok, lets see if I got this right going to CP from HK.
Coming from HK, take the KCR train to SZ--cross border at LoWU and walk across some bridge find another train station?and take the local train to CP.
Now maybe I'm wrong but did someone say the stop for CP is not CP but actually Dongguan?. Someone said this is one of the cheapest ways to reach CP from HK.
Not sure what the price difference is (or the time difference) --not sure if the price is worth it, but doesn't the KCR from HK go directed to CP (again, not sure if the stop for CP is CP or Dongguan.
For those that frequent this route, Thanks for clarifying the confusion for me.If I am not wrong you have to buy a ticket to Dongguan, because the first stop that the train make is actually CP. The price that I pay was about 36 rmb or maybe a little more.
If I am not wrong you have to buy a ticket to Dongguan, because the first stop that the train make is actually CP. The price that I pay was about 36 rmb or maybe a little more.Sorry forget to mention, that I bought my ticket at SZ station and not from Hung Hom. Maybe this help a little more:
http://www.it3.mtr.com.hk/B2C/UserPage/sysFareTable_Eng.asp
wildwheelie
07-30-09, 05:25
if i am not wrong you have to buy a ticket to dongguan, because the first stop that the train make is actually cp. the price that i pay was about 36 rmb or maybe a little more.dougguan (dg) is the official station name, cp is the city name. when you buy your ticket it should be dg. best thing to do is to tell the ticket seller you are going to cp. they will sell you the correct tix.
beware that some trains are non-stop to cp/dg while others have intermediate stops in between (zmt / zhang mou tau). it take about 36 min from sz (shenzhen) to cp. best is to look at your watch and look at the scrolling monitor in the train, it tells you the speed, temp and next stop!
be humble, stay low key and have fun. keep cp monger friendly.
wildwheelie
07-30-09, 05:35
Ok, lets see if I got this right going to CP from HK.
Coming from HK, take the KCR train to SZ--cross border at LoWU and walk across some bridge find another train station?and take the local train to CP.
Now maybe I'm wrong but did someone say the stop for CP is not CP but actually Dongguan?. Someone said this is one of the cheapest ways to reach CP from HK.
Not sure what the price difference is (or the time difference) --not sure if the price is worth it, but doesn't the KCR from HK go directed to CP (again, not sure if the stop for CP is CP or Dongguan.
For those that frequent this route, Thanks for clarifying the confusion for me.I think what you mentioned is the cheapest and most frequent way to go from HK to CP. I believe the total cost is less than 100 HKD.
It is true that you can take KCR from HK to CP, but it is more expensive (250-ish HKD), you have to take the train from Hong Hum in HK. OTher than the cost, other issues are that the train only goes to CP about 5 times a day and furthermore, you can run into problem of ticket being sold out. This is for business people that go to China and buys the ticket in advance.
I have answer your CP vs DG question in another response.
Have fun in CP.
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 06:11
Ok, lets see if I got this right going to CP from HK.
Coming from HK, take the KCR train to SZ--cross border at LoWU and walk across some bridge find another train station?and take the local train to CP.
Now maybe I'm wrong but did someone say the stop for CP is not CP but actually Dongguan?. Someone said this is one of the cheapest ways to reach CP from HK.
Not sure what the price difference is (or the time difference) --not sure if the price is worth it, but doesn't the KCR from HK go directed to CP (again, not sure if the stop for CP is CP or Dongguan.
For those that frequent this route, Thanks for clarifying the confusion for me.
Direct Train to/from Hong Kong - Chang Ping
* Go to the main floor of the Hunghom train station, go to the right side of the station and buy a HK$145 direct train ticket to Dongguan (only 1 class of service - plus this is the same train which goes to Guangzhou East; ChangPing/Dongguan is the intermediate stop on this line).
*If you're lucky you get to go on the nice Hong Kong MTR owned KTT service - otherwise it's the old - but still comfortable - Chinese train. Seats on carriage #1 is very uncomfortable and if you unluckily get one of these seats, NOT a problem to just move to any free/available seat in another carriage. No intermediate stops.
* Hong Kong immigration formalities at Hung Hom station and PRC formalities when you arrive at Chang Ping - or GZ east if you're going there.
Via Lowu/Luohu -
* Take the MTR/KCR train from the lower floor of the Hunghom train station (where the bridge from TST East and the University connects). If you arrive by taxi to the Hunghom train station, head through the MIDDLE of the station and get on the train to Lowu (do not get on a Lok Ma Chau train). * Alternatively, you can also board same train from the MongKok East, Kowloon Tong or Tsimshatsui East stations. Fare HK$ 38 using an octopus card.
* Get off at Lowu and clear both sets of immigration formalities (HKG and PRC), get out of the station and head straight approx 150 metres and you will see on your left a row of ticket windows. Buy a ticket to Dongguan/Chang Ping (its the same!) for RMB 40 or 45 for a first class ticket (on the #1 or #8 carriage, and the only difference is that the seats are a wee bit wider).
* Make sure you do NOT get off at ZhangMoutou (if your train does make such a stop) and only get off at Dongguan (you'll see a leisure park just before the train stops at Chang Ping.
Now go out and battle the taxi drivers.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 06:23
Hey Joe, looks like OWL is back! :D
Yeah - looks like it!
You also see his latest escapade - where a guy who went out of his way to wine and dine and entertain OWL, got very/deathly ill..... and your good buddy OWL just up and vamoosed??
Oh What a Loser!
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
07-30-09, 06:34
Yeah - looks like it!
You also see his latest escapade - where a guy who went out of his way to wine and dine and entertain OWL, got very/deathly ill..... and your good buddy OWL just up and vamoosed?
SEAJSEAJ,
Jeez uncle Joe picking on the OWL again ,even cut and paste his post from another forum and reply it here .
Maybe we should invite OWL to CP show the police here how to beat up all the thug here and clean up the city .
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 07:41
The above is not a wise advice. We are lovers, not fighters. If things are that bad in Changping, I rather monger elsewhere. Afterall, there are plenty of other places to go where there are beautiful women, good hotels, safer environments, better grasp of English, etc. Why risk it? Life is too short to be battling locals.
Sarg - I KNOW that you've had more than your fair share of troubles in chang Ping - but hey - is it really fair for you to tar everything about CP with the same brush?
You see, there IS a core of us guys who LOVES CP and who wishes that things would remain the same for a long long time. What we're seeing nowadays is a continual barrage of factories closing, businesses folding. strike hard crack downs on just about any kind of entertainment venues -all accompanied by sensational reporting in the press about how bad things are in CP. This has resulted in more and more people loosing their livelihood, getting desperate and having to resort to crime - both violent as well as petty.
Yes things ARE grim in CP and things are generally quite unsafe - but what you and a probably a lot of the readers may not realize - is that things have ALWAYS been quite grim in CP; And yet, we who like CP keep coming back again and again. It is this very grimness that has created the conditions favorable for CHEAP(er) and high quality mongering. And we come back, KNOWING what CP is all about and acting accordingly.
And that is the Key here - one needs to come to CP knowing full well what's in store and then to act accordingly. OK, there are instances when trouble befalls one of us even though he had taken all the necessary precautions etc. Shit does happen - but I want you.... and others here.. to understand that such shit, lots of times, happen because one practically invites it!!
Say in your case in the restaurant, I can see your way of thinking and mebbe even appreciate it (a bit... only!!), but you gotta see that you'd contributed lots to what had happened to you and your buddy.
And for you to continue steering guys away from Chang Ping just based upon your bad experience will definitely make the situation worse here - a self fulfilling prophesy. And what you espouse is NOT necessarily true for everybody - not if what one is after is higher quality gals who are NOT just totally hardened pros at a very reasonable price, not if he's seeking to experience mongering different than just a McDonald experience (You want english speaking gals, well you've got gals/places which caters only to the furreners, like what happens in Thailand and P.I.. the best gals in these places do NOT speak English and would not go with furreners!!). In other words, if all you want is Little Brown F.M's - yes China and Chang Ping is not the place for you - but if you want more fulfilling experiences, then this is the place.... but you gotta do YOUR part by being more culturally sensitive, being aware of your surroundings etc etc
Not sure I've explained myself properly or not but Sarg - howzabout you (and others who hates CP) cutting us some slack and not make your words the self fulfilling propesy that I am wary of?
Thanks
SEAJ
Hey guys,
I've been a long time lurker on ISG. Love the quality updates and advice. I will be going to CP either tomorrow night or sat morning and just wondering if anybody has a realiable and SAFE transportation hookup? I have travelled to CP before with friends but will be travelling alone this time. I need a ride from the railway station to virgin hotel. I know not to take the sketchy vans that await outside the station, but I have also heard of numerous horry stories such as getting robbed or driving you to an unknown desserted area withfew guys waiting to Rob you etc.(to be honnest I don't mind being ripped off the extra 5-10 bucks, I just want a safe trip, and have a fun time like all of us mongers do when we go to CP) Is it safe to take a taxi alone? I heard the yellow ones are better than the blue ones? Is there another way to get to the virgin hotel? Is there a hotel car available? If I go Friday night, I will stay over night at the hotel. If I go sat, it will be a day trip and just a visit to the sauna!
Any help, advise appreciated.
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 10:10
SEAJ,
Jeez uncle Joe picking on the OWL again ,even cut and paste his post from another forum and reply it here .
Maybe we should invite OWL to CP show the police here how to beat up all the thug here and clean up the city .
Fast Eddie 48
Hell, its a lot of fun to pick on OWL as he's so full of shit.
Besides which, YOU tell me if everybody else here don't pick on him also?!
He's just too ridiculous and too much a caricature!!
And I ain't gonna make the mistake of EVER writing on his board as he's ALWAYS editing, cutting out, adding stuff to everybody's post.
So there!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 10:14
Hey guys,
I've been a long time lurker on ISG. Love the quality updates and advice. I will be going to CP either tomorrow night or sat morning and just wondering if anybody has a realiable and SAFE transportation hookup? I have travelled to CP before with friends but will be travelling alone this time. I need a ride from the railway station to virgin hotel. I know not to take the sketchy vans that await outside the station, but I have also heard of numerous horry stories such as getting robbed or driving you to an unknown desserted area withfew guys waiting to Rob you etc.(to be honnest I don't mind being ripped off the extra 5-10 bucks, I just want a safe trip, and have a fun time like all of us mongers do when we go to CP) Is it safe to take a taxi alone? I heard the yellow ones are better than the blue ones? Is there another way to get to the virgin hotel? Is there a hotel car available? If I go Friday night, I will stay over night at the hotel. If I go sat, it will be a day trip and just a visit to the sauna!
Any help, advise appreciated.
OMIGAWD!! You're kidding, right?? Right??!!
You're really scared about taking a taxi by yourself?
How are you gonna NOT be scared of doing anything whilst in CP?
You sure you're OK to stay overnight....THERE??!!
You sure the Sauna is gonna be safe??
See Sarg - this is what I'm talking about - all the talk about how dangerous CP is..... Now, who's gonna dare to come to CP??!!
SEAJ
**EDIT** Edit** - Ps. OK... sorry CBC for the rude reply.
Yes, the Yellow taxis are generally safer - and are cheaper - than the blue taxis as they're mostly local Chang Ping vs. the whole of Dongguan blue taxis.
And yes, the pirate taxis are less safe as they're not licenced at all and if you're in an accident, you're not insured. Also, these pirate taxis are more likely to be the ones doing the robbing and kidnapping vs. the licenced taxis.
You SHOULD be quite safe taking a regular taxi anywhere in CP.
And I'd say forget about trying to get the hotel to go and pick you up - they ain't likely to do it unless they KNOW that you're a VIP/BSD - and even if they agree to do, they're likely to just get their favorite pirate taxi to do the pick-up as most hotels have only 1 hotel car (some don't even have one). Also, most hotels have their own group of pirate taxis that are allowed to pick up clients from the hotel - as these pirate taxis pays anywhere from RMB1,000 to 3,000 per month for the privilege of lining up outside the hotel door.
And yes you should not be getting into any trouble in CP if you use your common sense re - safety and safe practices. So go ahead and have a blast.
SE Asia Joe
07-30-09, 10:32
I think what you mentioned is the cheapest and most frequent way to go from HK to CP. I believe the total cost is less than 100 HKD.
It is true that you can take KCR from HK to CP, but it is more expensive (250-ish HKD), you have to take the train from Hong Hum in HK. OTher than the cost, other issues are that the train only goes to CP about 5 times a day and furthermore, you can run into problem of ticket being sold out. This is for business people that go to China and buys the ticket in advance.
I have answer your CP vs DG question in another response.
Have fun in CP.
Actually, the ticket price for the direct train is HK$145 and there are 10 trains per day going HKG-CP and 10/day CP-HKG (12 sets HKG-GZ-HKG).
http://www.it3.mtr.com.hk/B2C/UserPage/sysTimeTable_Eng.asp
Tickets are usually NOT sold out - even if you arrive at the station 20 mins from departure time - at least, I've never had any problems.
If you are NOT a frequent/familiar traveler between HKG/CP, I'd recommend highly for you to take the Direct train as it's a much easier and relaxing journey and you only need to spend an extra US$7 +-.
SEAJ
Playboy2000
07-30-09, 10:50
Found out the reason for the 200RMB sitting fee. Starting next week, the girls will be topless when they sit with you in the KTV room. Management will provide short time room for free of charge (regular customers only) if you need it, 350ST, 650LT (300/600 for regular customers).
BSD
Starting when next week? :)
I was at the Virgin last night. The girls initially wear flimsy uniforms with no bra. Before taking a girl, the mommy and her girl promise that she will strip naked for an extra 100 yuan. (ie 300 sitting fee). Just before I was about to ask my girl to take it off, the manager tells us that all girls need to change into their yifu because of the current crackdown. I bet this is happening every night now...promise at the beginning when they damn well know that the girls can't strip (or even wear their uniforms into the night).
Will it be the same scam at SWL KTV?
OMIGAWD!! You're kidding, right?? Right??!!
You're really scared about taking a taxi by yourself?
How are you gonna NOT be scared of doing anything whilst in CP?
You sure you're OK to stay overnight....THERE??!!
You sure the Sauna is gonna be safe??
See Sarg - this is what I'm talking about - all the talk about how dangerous CP is..... Now, who's gonna dare to come to CP??!!
SEAJ
**EDIT** Edit** - Ps. OK... sorry CBC for the rude reply.
Yes, the Yellow taxis are generally safer - and are cheaper - than the blue taxis as they're mostly local Chang Ping vs. the whole of Dongguan blue taxis.
And yes, the pirate taxis are less safe as they're not licenced at all and if you're in an accident, you're not insured. Also, these pirate taxis are more likely to be the ones doing the robbing and kidnapping vs. the licenced taxis.
You SHOULD be quite safe taking a regular taxi anywhere in CP.
And I'd say forget about trying to get the hotel to go and pick you up - they ain't likely to do it unless they KNOW that you're a VIP/BSD - and even if they agree to do, they're likely to just get their favorite pirate taxi to do the pick-up as most hotels have only 1 hotel car (some don't even have one). Also, most hotels have their own group of pirate taxis that are allowed to pick up clients from the hotel - as these pirate taxis pays anywhere from RMB1,000 to 3,000 per month for the privilege of lining up outside the hotel door.
And yes you should not be getting into any trouble in CP if you use your common sense re - safety and safe practices. So go ahead and have a blast.SE Asia Joe:
Thanks so much for the advice. It is really appreciated! I know in my original post, I sound like a chicken $hit, but I'm not too familar with how CP works (usually have friends who co-ordinate everything) and hearing those unfortunate stories of mongers going to CP only to have something bad happen to them got me a little hesistant especially with the crackdown and increased crime rate.
Big Swingin Dave
07-30-09, 16:26
Starting when next week? :)
I was at the Virgin last night. The girls initially wear flimsy uniforms with no bra. Before taking a girl, the mommy and her girl promise that she will strip naked for an extra 100 yuan. (ie 300 sitting fee). Just before I was about to ask my girl to take it off, the manager tells us that all girls need to change into their yifu because of the current crackdown. I bet this is happening every night now...promise at the beginning when they damn well know that the girls can't strip (or even wear their uniforms into the night).
Will it be the same scam at SWL KTV?We won't know what it will be like at the new Juang Hui KTV until we try it for ourself. They are offering a special deal for 5 people or less all you can drink for 500RMB all inclusive plus 100 DJ fee. I will not go until I hear that they actually doing what they promise.
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
07-30-09, 16:37
Hey guys,
I've been a long time lurker on ISG. Love the quality updates and advice. I will be going to CP either tomorrow night or sat morning and just wondering if anybody has a realiable and SAFE transportation hookup? I have travelled to CP before with friends but will be travelling alone this time. I need a ride from the railway station to virgin hotel. I know not to take the sketchy vans that await outside the station, but I have also heard of numerous horry stories such as getting robbed or driving you to an unknown desserted area withfew guys waiting to Rob you etc.(to be honnest I don't mind being ripped off the extra 5-10 bucks, I just want a safe trip, and have a fun time like all of us mongers do when we go to CP) Is it safe to take a taxi alone? I heard the yellow ones are better than the blue ones? Is there another way to get to the virgin hotel? Is there a hotel car available? If I go Friday night, I will stay over night at the hotel. If I go sat, it will be a day trip and just a visit to the sauna!
Any help, advise appreciated.Cpc guy,
I have heard of taxi robberies in CP.
This will happen more as the crime rate in CP increases.
If you travel alone be carful here.
The Virgin hotel has a free hotel shuttle that will pick you up from the train station if you call them.
They can also drive you to the KTVs around the Swan Lake area also.
Fast Eddie 48
SEAJ
Depressed going into the weekend after chatting to you earlier this week. So you are still alive ? I thought you didn't love me anymore.
Best of luck going for teh 4x club and look fwd to reading of your and the teams exploits next week :)
Best ..... Wapec
Just got a call from my Taiwanese friend. He just came back from CP. On his last night, he went to Hui Mei back alley bbs to find a WG. Selected one for LT. In the morning, after the WG left and he was packing, he noticed his wallet and cellphone missing. Luckily, he had the mammy's card and called her immediately. To make a long story short, the mammy told him she would try to find the girl and get his stuff back. All he wanted back is the cellphone because it has his business contacts on it. There was nothing of value in the wallet except 2000 rmb. Luckily his passport was in the safe. Just a reminder, this could happen to anyone. Need to be safe and use common sense.
Mrmom1969
ManonsanBoy
07-30-09, 19:20
Any further news on crackdown?
Jettsetter
07-30-09, 22:52
Just got a call from my Taiwanese friend. He just came back from CP. On his last night, he went to Hui Mei back alley bbs to find a WG. Selected one for LT. In the morning, after the WG left and he was packing, he noticed his wallet and cellphone missing. Luckily, he had the mammy's card and called her immediately. To make a long story short, the mammy told him she would try to find the girl and get his stuff back. All he wanted back is the cellphone because it has his business contacts on it. There was nothing of value in the wallet except 2000 rmb. Luckily his passport was in the safe. Just a reminder, this could happen to anyone. Need to be safe and use common sense.
Mrmom1969
This is a good lesson to everyone about keeping everything safe. I know as you get comfortable you will leave your valuables around, but always play smart. Keep valuables in your safe or in the closet. While some girls do not plan on stealing, don't make it tempting for them.
I've been the victim of two crimes in CP in my XX number of times there... 1) girl stole my blackberry right of my backpack... (and by the way I lost my blackberry AGAIN last time I went - that was my fault as i left it in a KTV Room) - one thing that I do for this is to make sure it's password protected with a WIPE feature.. meaning if they attempt to unlock it several times, it erases itself... (i always backup my info).
2) I got scammed into buying a fake phone.
Luckily no violent type of crimes... but still, you've got money and they are there to scam you, so have to play smart.
I usually stick everything in my safe when I get back and have minimal stuff out in my room. Most everything is locked in my suitcase which is in the closet. LOTS of hassle for the girl to get to the valuables and unlikely she will try.
Before you let the girls go, do a once over - i.e. double check things, before letting them go.
Once I was in a situation where I thought I lost something.. the girl, without asking dumped her purse onto my bed to show me she didn't take it (she didn't - I had put it somewhere else) - but I thought that was really good of her to do so...
what's your thoughts on requesting the girl show you her purse/things if you really think she took something??
I mean obviously you should do everything you can to make sure it's gone.. but at the same time, for the sake of politeness, I'm not going to just let her go without further investigation.....
-J
Phantomtiger2
07-30-09, 23:24
. I usually stick everything in my safe when I get back and have minimal stuff out in my room. Most everything is locked in my suitcase which is in the closet. LOTS of hassle for the girl to get to the valuables and unlikely she will try.
-J
Haven't been to CP yet but will do so soon. But just to let you guys know of at least 2-3 times when I was in Thailand (BKK and Patts) the gals didn't bother to take the valuables from my luggage in the closet, they simply tried to take the whole damn luggage itself as it's on wheels. So like they say in the X-Files TV series "Trust No One" unless she's your wife (on 2nd thought forget that--Just trust no one including the wife-ha ha.
From all that, I now simply have a cheap bike cable lock that's about 3-4 feet in length (cost about $5-6 at Walmart or K-mart) and fairly light weight,-don't get the $1 cheapy chains found in most 99c stores as they are just way too short for any practical purposes. Now wrap it around the handle of luggage and something fixed in the closet.
(it works as once I was inside the bathroom and heard a "thud" as the gal tried to grab luggage and it went nowhere, so dropped it fast and ran out, I was inside taking a shit and smiling).
BTW: this method also works at airports/bus stations/train stations etc, as I tend to doze off sometimes (yeah, too much sex) and again wrap a cable around luggage and a fixed chair and dont have to worry about luggage being taken while I was out.
Just from my experiences but just another inexpensive way to be safe than sorry.
PT
Phantomtiger2
07-30-09, 23:34
is..... Now, who's gonna dare to come to CP??!!
.
hey, how's that a bad thing as its more gals for me when I get there.
PT
Direct Train to/from Hong Kong - Chang Ping
* Go to the main floor of the Hunghom train station, go to the right side of the station and buy a HK$145 direct train ticket to Dongguan (only 1 class of service - plus this is the same train which goes to Guangzhou East; ChangPing/Dongguan is the intermediate stop on this line).
*If you're lucky you get to go on the nice Hong Kong MTR owned KTT service - otherwise it's the old - but still comfortable - Chinese train. Seats on carriage #1 is very uncomfortable and if you unluckily get one of these seats, NOT a problem to just move to any free/available seat in another carriage. No intermediate stops.
* Hong Kong immigration formalities at Hung Hom station and PRC formalities when you arrive at Chang Ping - or GZ east if you're going there.
Via Lowu/Luohu -
* Take the MTR/KCR train from the lower floor of the Hunghom train station (where the bridge from TST East and the University connects). If you arrive by taxi to the Hunghom train station, head through the MIDDLE of the station and get on the train to Lowu (do not get on a Lok Ma Chau train). * Alternatively, you can also board same train from the MongKok East, Kowloon Tong or Tsimshatsui East stations. Fare HK$ 38 using an octopus card.
* Get off at Lowu and clear both sets of immigration formalities (HKG and PRC), get out of the station and head straight approx 150 metres and you will see on your left a row of ticket windows. Buy a ticket to Dongguan/Chang Ping (its the same!) for RMB 40 or 45 for a first class ticket (on the #1 or #8 carriage, and the only difference is that the seats are a wee bit wider).
* Make sure you do NOT get off at ZhangMoutou (if your train does make such a stop) and only get off at Dongguan (you'll see a leisure park just before the train stops at Chang Ping.
Now go out and battle the taxi drivers.
SEAJ
Thanks guys (SE asia joe,Wildwheelie,Kazzerra,Phantom)-did I miss anyone?
I have a better idea now and cleared up my confusion.
But are the train station names in China in both English and Chinese (or Chinese only--which I'd be screwed unless I have it copied down)
and what's a standard price for the yellow cabs from CP station to hotels and do your guys insist on using the meter?
Thanks again
Sharks
From all that, I now simply have a cheap bike cable lock that's about 3-4 feet in length (cost about $5-6 at Walmart or K-mart) and fairly light weight,-don't get the $1 cheapy chains found in most 99c stores as they are just way too short for any practical purposes.
PT
Hey phantom, stole my patent pending idea right under me as I've done this for over 10years already wherever I travel.
Just to add, buy the cable locks with the combination numbers that you can set yourself (so no need to remember the numbers they give you) and don't buy ones with keys as they are easily lost and can't be replaced overseas.
Shark
Phantomtiger2
07-31-09, 00:12
Actually, the ticket price for the direct train is HK$145 and there are 10 trains per day going HKG-CP and 10/day CP-HKG (12 sets HKG-GZ-HKG).
http://www.it3.mtr.com.hk/B2C/UserPage/sysTimeTable_Eng.asp
Tickets are usually NOT sold out - even if you arrive at the station 20 mins from departure time - at least, I've never had any problems.
If you are NOT a frequent/familiar traveler between HKG/CP, I'd recommend highly for you to take the Direct train as it's a much easier and relaxing journey and you only need to spend an extra US$7 +-.
SEAJ
Just curious , can you use the Octopus card to buy the ticket from HK -Hung Hom to CP. Looked at the above website but could'nt find if it accept the card?
PT
SE Asia Joe
07-31-09, 02:39
Just curious , can you use the Octopus card to buy the ticket from HK -Hung Hom to CP. Looked at the above website but could'nt find if it accept the card?
PT
Not sure - forgot - but I do know that you can use a Visa card.
Actually octopus cards are generally NOT used/not practical for large purchases (in this case HK$145 - and you'd be better off just using cash or the Visa) as you'd need to top it off too often.
SEAJ
Thanks for all the taxi advice. Really really helpful.
And just a word of caution, my buddy just called me and told me to becareful this weekend because apparently earlier this week, the Chinese tvb news on tv mentioned cp and the drug crackdown. (Too many hong kong teens going up and getting high etc). And usually anytime that the news mentions a specific place, it is followed up by a serious of crackdowns.
The local hk forums are also flooded with warnings asking everyone to play safe and becareful
SE Asia Joe
07-31-09, 02:44
Thanks guys (SE asia joe,Wildwheelie,Kazzerra,Phantom)-did I miss anyone?
I have a better idea now and cleared up my confusion.
But are the train station names in China in both English and Chinese (or Chinese only--which I'd be screwed unless I have it copied down)
and what's a standard price for the yellow cabs from CP station to hotels and do your guys insist on using the meter?
Thanks again
Sharks
Yes, the stations are marked in both English as well as Chinese.
And yes, I do insist on using the meter which starts at around RMB 7 for the yellow taxi and RMB 8 for the blue ones. (more at night/surcharge)
BTW, for the blue taxi, the fare payable is the meter amount PLUS RMB 1, whilst the yellow ones, it is ONLY the fare shown on the meter.
If you have problems with asking him to turn the meter on, then you should negotiate for a fixed fare of RMB 10 for just about any destinations within CP from the train station.
SEAJ
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]I usually stick everything in my safe when I get back and have minimal stuff out in my room. Most everything is locked in my suitcase which is in the closet. LOTS of hassle for the girl to get to the valuables and unlikely she will try. Jettsetter:
Putting everything valuable in the room safe is not always the safest way. Some Hotels in CP is known to be not secure. Hotel staff with access to the safes have been known to take money from hotel guests. It has happen to others I know. Especially if they suspect that you have large amounts of money with you. The manager (s) will take a small portion of money from your safe only. Since you drink, go to KTV, sauna, etc. Your memory will not be very precise. You end up thinking maybe you just counted your money incorrectly or have spend it some place else. My friends advise that the safest way is put your valuables in the Hotel's lobby safe. Each hotel have it. It is safer than your in-room safe. Or try not to carry too much cash. Rely on the ATM to withdraw cash as needed.
Think about how many times the hotel manager need to open room safes. Prior guests are always locking the safes when they check out. If not, the damn thing just keep on beeping and beeping. So it is normal for manager to have alot access to the room safes.
Has anyone experience this? : In the afternoon, someone will knock on your hotel door. If you don't answer, the manager comes in. When he/she sees you, they say they just wanted to check the room to see if the maid did a good job. This is total bullshit because rooms are supposed to be check soon after the maid is done, if at all. NOT 5-6 hours later. This has happened to me several times because I like to sleep in the afternoon to rest up for the nite activities. The hotel staffs are pretty smart. They know that if you book your room for more a few days, or check in with a passport, that you have more money on you than the norman HongKong mongers. HongKong mongers usually come in for 1 or 2 days. They do not carry alot of extra cash.
Yes, the stations are marked in both English as well as Chinese.
And yes, I do insist on using the meter which starts at around RMB 7 for the yellow taxi and RMB 8 for the blue ones. (more at night/surcharge)
BTW, for the blue taxi, the fare payable is the meter amount PLUS RMB 1, whilst the yellow ones, it is ONLY the fare shown on the meter.
If you have problems with asking him to turn the meter on, then you should negotiate for a fixed fare of RMB 10 for just about any destinations within CP from the train station.
SEAJ
The train's intercom from Shenzhen (Luohu station) to CP (officially this station is the "Dongguan station") will call out the upcoming stations in English and Chinese. There is also a LCD display inside the train that tells you which station is upcoming in English and Chinese. So it's not difficult to get off at the right stop. Just remember that the CP station is officially known (and often referred to as) the "Dongguan station"!
Once you get off the CP station, many taxis at/near the entrance will refuse to go by the meter. I use 2 strategies. One is to ask every cabbie for 10 rmb or go by the meter, while I am walking away from the station. It usually works, someone will cave in, especially those on the street who haven't had to queue up. Going by the meter, the minimum charge of 7/8 rmb will get you to Swanlake hotel, Clipper hotel, JiaYi, MayFlower. Miraton, HuiHua is around 10 rmb.
OldAsiaHand
07-31-09, 13:48
SEAJ
Depressed going into the weekend after chatting to you earlier this week. So you are still alive ? I thought you didn't love me anymore.
Best of luck going for teh 4x club and look fwd to reading of your and the teams exploits next week :)
Best ..... Wapec
Wapec,
Why don't you make some excuse and get on the train? I almost never go to CP on the weekends but would not miss this one for the world. You can also use the opportunity to kiss and make up with SEAJ after he left you stranded in the middle of the road in front of the train station, half dressed trying to catch a train he was not even on.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
07-31-09, 19:34
Wapec,
Why don't you make some excuse and get on the train? I almost never go to CP on the weekends but would not miss this one for the world. You can also use the opportunity to kiss and make up with SEAJ after he left you stranded in the middle of the road in front of the train station, half dressed trying to catch a train he was not even on.
Just my POV.
OAH
Yeah Wapec- not too late to change your mind！！
The proceedings already started with a big party at Manhattan tonight - a dozen of us getting all drunk and silly！！And definitely no crackdown - thank God！And the quality and selection is really great as there is so much fewer mongers around as they're all worried about the crackdown - which is not HAPPENIN'!!
seaj
Guys,
Just landed and figured out the proxy thing. If any or all of you senior guys are ever generous enough to let me tag along sometime pls PM me. I am a rook but learn fast and as I'm not opposed to bribery, I do have a few of Cohiba cigars from Cuba that I brought with me to share if any of you take me up on the offer ;-)
Not a lot of time + I'm working U.S. hours but would love to hang with the big leaguers time at least once.
I do have a few of Cohiba cigars from Cuba that I brought with me to share if any of you take me up on the offer ;-)
Too bad, I like Monica Lewinsky Specials made by Wild Bill. They are also called Clinton Specials. I love using them on the girls and then smoking the cigars. The girls don't like the ones from Cuba.
SE Asia Joe
08-01-09, 19:55
A quick THANK YOU to all of you who helped me celebrate my big day - especially B S Dave who arranged everything and ran things like clock work.
I am here sitting in the Clipper Hotel Suite that you gave me as a present- together with one of the 3 gals present that I decided to have keep my bed warm (!!!! WOW - what A BLAST - A very first for me - 3 gals at once!!) and ever so grateful to all of you 25 guys. THANKS again!!
SEAJ
Wow. How scary. Sorry to see those photos of you. I will think twice before going to Changping for some R&R. China seems to be a lot more dangerous with the economy being bad. Too bad, some have to resort to crime to live. Lucky there are many other destinations, we mongers, can go with less hassle and danger.Hi All.
My first time checking out this site in regards to Changping love (? ) stories. I have also been to CP a couple of times with my buddies myself. I used to go party other parts of the world and had couple of Chinese friends asked me to go CP with them. So, I tagged along with them to check out what China had to offer. Very first time in CP, we went to Tao Yuen KTV. There were at least 300 chics in the lie up. I have never seen so many chics at one gathering in my life. I was quite awed by sheer number of chics at KTV. I just loved it. I always liked Chinese chics a lot and had many Chinese galfriends before in the US. And I just love Chinese massage places (regular massage). On my first trip, Only thing I did not like was that I was not able to speak a word of Chinese and relied on my friends for translations. I am sure I drove them crazy. Even while I was banging a chic and if she said something and did not understand, I called my buddy for translations. I was quite surprised that all China chics have absolutely no English skills. Some chics did not even understand "yes" and "no". Because, other parts of Asia, I have been to, most chics spoke some or very good English. And I felt that most chics I met at KTVs did not want to stay with me and play romantic, because I was a foreigner and did not speak Chinese. Obviously, I do understand them because it must be frustrating for them to not able to communicate with me. It sure was frustrating for me too that I was trying so hard please them by going shopping for their clothing, giving extra tips, not banging them too rough. But, I felt it was all for use because lack of language barrier.
My sincere recommendation is that if you do not speak some mandarin, but still like to party in CP, learn the language a bit. When I came back to US after first trip, I studied Mandarin on my spare time. On my second trip this year, I was able to speak a bit of Chinese and at least, I was able to communicate a bit with the chics. It made some difference. One night, I met a chic from Hui Hua. SHe was a true cutie with beautiful skin, tall and sexy unlike most chis I met in CP. Because, if you ahve beeen to CP KTV, most chics hygeine ain't very god. Most chics have smelly mouth odor and very rough character due to living in the farm all their life. Either way, She saw my laptop in my hotel room a lot and I can tell she wanted it badly. It was fairly old laptop that I did not mind giving it to her. So, I told her that I will give it to her. She jumped on me with so much joy. SO, I downloaded all files into my harddrive and went to PC mall to convert english program to mandarin with her. Probelm was, while I was taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and left the laptop on top of sink right next to me, a fucker who pretended to wash his hands, took the laptop right in front of me and ran away. I did not see him taking it but obviously someone must have taken it. It happend so fast that I did not know what happened. I tried to find the fucker but could not find a trace of him. It must have been no more than 10 seconds and it was gone. I was trylly dumb founded. My chic couldn't believe it either, and with my so limited mandarin, could not expalin very well. And I could not buy her a new laptop because laptops in China are at least 50% more expensive than US.
What I am trying to say is "BE CAREFUL" in CP. Even thru my Chinese friends, I always hear stories about getting robbed and KTV and supermarket chics stealing things from us dumb americans all the time.
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Even if it did force OAH to cut our Saturday afternoon chat short - darn you!
I guess you are worthy (if not ancient!)
A quick THANK YOU to all of you who helped me celebrate my big day - especially B S Dave who arranged everything and ran things like clock work.
I am here sitting in the Clipper Hotel Suite that you gave me as a present- together with one of the 3 gals present that I decided to have keep my bed warm (!!!! WOW - what A BLAST - A very first for me - 3 gals at once!!) and ever so grateful to all of you 25 guys. THANKS again!!
SEAJ
Was on a golf trip with friends at Yinli Waishang (Foreign Investors) Golf Club on Friday in a town called Qingxi. It's a nice course (par 72) with good facilities and a round of golf (18 holes) costs about US$100 which includes green fee, shared caddy (for 2 persons), cart, locker and a set lunch.
Of course, the main event was the entertainment in the evening. DaLang is the place we went. I didn't see DL got mentioned by our members here but if you want to try something else outside CP, I would recommend this place which is about 10 minutes taxi ride from the CP train station. From Yinli Golf Club, it's about 30 minutes drive by car (36 Kms) and you can ask the reception at the club to order the car for you.
Well, we stayed at this 5 star hotel called Royal Garden Hotel (769 MeiJin Road, DaLang, DongGuan www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn). Since my friend knows the PR manager, we got a very good deal (RMB 592 a night plus 2 breakfasts in the morning) as we did not book in advance. I was amazed at the facilities. They have the usual enntertainment such as KTV, sauna, etc. on site. We had an early dinner in the Chinese restaurant inside the hotel in our own room and the cost for the 3 or us was only RMB 450. As we didn't want to miss the action and lose out in selecting the pretty girls for the night, we went to the KTV next door (also owned by the hotel) as soon as we finished our dinner. I was told that you have to be there before 7:00 pm. to avoid any disappointment. It was an experience as I haven't seen that many girls lining up before, at least 200-300 of them so it's quite hard for me to decide. Anyway, I picked a girl from Shangdong and another young one (must be only 17-18 yo) from Hunan for the KTV. My friend each picked a girl for the night. Also, I was told if the girl wears the badge on her right, she will go with you. Otherwise, she will join for the Karaoke fun only. The 7 of us then went to the KTV room and had our singing and drinking session. We had 3 bottles of whisker and the 2 girls of my friends got drunk. We left about 11:00 and the damage was about RMB2,800 including tips for the DJ, the waiter and the mamasan. I decided I only wanted the Shangdong girl so I paid the Hunan girl and asked her to leave (the system here is 3-8-10 which is a little bit expensive but I think it's worth it).
My Shangdong beauty is a cutie with long hair and a nice body. She told me she used to work in the factory in Dongguan (the usual story). We had passionate sessions but unfortunately she doesn't do BJ and wouldn't allow me to DATY her. Anyway, very GFE and we had breakfast together (that's why the 2-breakfast offer came in handy at check-in) in the morning before she departed and I did a detour in Shenzhen for some genuine massage before heading back to HK. I will definitely return to DL if I can find another excuse to leave the family for an overnight golf trip.
Fast Eddie 48
08-02-09, 07:12
To SEAJ,
Happy big B day wish that I cannot joint you guys, look like I be stuck here in the US until middle of next month, wow 3 girl at once in one bed that the way I like to have my B day, so did you unwrap your gift or they unwrap you.
Any party photos?
Fast Eddie 48
Jettsetter
08-02-09, 22:36
So I guess I'll be the first to report of SEAJ's big birthday celebration... I'm sure most of the guys who attended are still in CP Bliss.. sort of funny how when you're here, the board really doesn't get checked that much because honestly speaking you're on CP time...
I always refer to CP time as "rushing to relax"... it's like there's always something going on somewhere and you gotta hurry up and get there... so internet and checking emails usually fall by the waist side.
But with my early to bed night last night (had a girl from PP who I taught a good lesson to last night - I'll let BSD explain), and deciding not to keep her for the overnighter... I had some "duties" I had to partake and woke up at 5 a.m. to do them (no - not like dropping off kids, but making some phone calls to the states, etc...)
Anyways, Joe's B-Day started off with an early afternoon dinner/snack over at some nice dessert place in the Swan Lake Shopping Mall.... Haven't explored that general area, but it looks nice... the desserts were great for a cool drink and I met a ton of new guys, some on the board and some not... genuinely thought everyone there was very cool and approachable.. I'm just sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to everyone in more detail.
After about an hour of chatting, joking and grazing the good food Joe so generously treated us to, we were off to Mayflower.
Now while I've been to CP a ton of times, this was my first trip to Mayflower. I can only describe it as the "rabbit hole"... to me, I felt like Alice in Wonderland down the rabbit hole. the reason is because not only did it feel like a maze of dark corridors (sort of like Twilight Zonish), but at every corner there was a random neon sihlouette - some of hearts, some of playboy bunnies, some of random shapes... each room had a different sort of theme, and it really felt like some weird pseudo psychosis type of fantasy land that you'd get while tripping on acid...
Anyways, I thought it was cool... but sort of out of sorts because I could not get a great undersatnding of where anything else was... I mean the design didn't have a real theme, nor did I understand what the architects were trying to do.
The room we partied in was V88... a huge room that could have probably accomomdated 100 people (albeit not all sitting)... the 50 or so guys we had there were very well spread out, with lots and lots of room to spare. I saw guys from all my previous trips, many not on the board, and many friends of friends...
We innitially did the preview lineup but when that was sort of a dud becuase there was only a few girls that came in, we all made the trek to the hall of women.... yes, the infamous flower street, which I thought was more a bazaar than the flower street at Jia Yi... I only say this, because to me, it seemed that while the street was alot longer, there was much more disorganization.... for some reason, it felt like a swap meet of girls, not as well organized as jia yi...
maybe it was because it was saturday night and there were like hundreds of guys walking in different directions... perhaps they should implement crowd control!? you know, everyone walk in one direction??
oh well... one can only hope... but I did find one that i liked, very accomodating girl, but honestly speaking, I did not see that many that I would have really picked... i usually can spot a bunch, but for some reason, and not sure if it was the lack of quality OR it was that there was just too many to pick from, it made it hard to pick...
some other guys had the same problems, but over all, we all found out companions, headed up to the room and begun lots of different games in small groups.
We later had a "DI ZU" (chinese card game played with 3 players sort of like hearts in a different way)... and while I advanced to the 2nd round, my girl gave me some bad advice and we lost when we COULD HAVE WON!! oh well...
no big deal.. we had a good time, joe got his birthday cake and his birthday surprise, which was the hot tub room and 3 lovely ladies...
The next day Joe was a good sport and came out for a bit.. I'm sure he didn't have many minerals left to spare the next night.. oh well..
Rest up joe, I'm still here for many more days!!!
-Jettsetter
So I guess I'll be the first to report of SEAJ's big birthday celebration... I'm sure most of the guys who attended are still in CP Bliss.. sort of funny how when you're here, the board really doesn't get checked that much because honestly speaking you're on CP time...
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Rest up joe, I'm still here for many more days!!!
-Jettsetter
Sounds like a jolly good time was had by all. Pictures?
Happy Birthday SEAJ.
Sorry to miss your event. hand out a couple of safety razors to those poor girls getting off the truck from the farm.
- a dozen of us getting all drunk and silly！！And definitely no crackdown - thank God！And the quality and selection is really great as there is so much fewer mongers around as they're all worried about the crackdown -
I think only a few were drunk and only you were silly. Don't know why you were raising both your hands and yelling "AHHHHH" all night...
Manhattan is pretty nice and cozy. I actually like the other places that may not be so touted or frequentled by too many people. You'll still find some pretty girls and the experience may actually be more fun. I still had a difficult time selecting as many of the girls were tall (well, taller than me at least).
Manhattan's funny in that the flower show is seperated into two floors. After a few rounds in one floor, you can go to the second floor to take a look. But you'd have to deal with the slow elevators. The designer of the KTV obviously didn't plan that far ahead to include a place for a large flower show.
Funny weekend as well. Friday seemed slow with few guys in town. Saturday had a large amount of guys suddenly show up and crowd all the hotels and Ktv's. Pretty interesting as Friday had fun pickings while Saturday featured a flower show with seemingly fewer girls. Many good looking girls who are regularly there did not show, and far too many not so good looking girls in the parade but should not be.
All in all a very contrasting two nights.
I think only a few were drunk and only you were silly. Don't know why you were raising both your hands and yelling "AHHHHH" all night...
Hahaha! LOL It's the way Joe sings, virtually indistinguishable from his yelling "AAAHHH".
I still had a difficult time selecting as many of the girls were tall (well, taller than me at least).
Which makes them what? At least 5 foot 3?
Big Swingin Dave
08-04-09, 04:35
Sunday night we took advantage of the package deal (588RMB) which is all inclusive of 3 dozen beers, snacks, tissues, service fees excluding 200RMB DJ fee at PP. The line-up was miniscue compare to Mayflower of the night before. Each guy only picked one girl each and decided to listen to the music from Jetsetter's music instead of hearing bad singing all night long.
The first lesson came when the girls were at the line-up. pppTraveler being our resident newbie asked if he can have a girl sit for a 10 minute grace period and the mommy amazingly said no. Jetsetter and I were stunned to hear that and immediately told her “NO”, the girl cannot sit down if there is no grace "getting to know you" period. Also, we "86" the rest of her group immediately. When the next group came in, the first question we asked was "is there a 10 minute grace period" and the mommy said, of course so we decided to continue the line-up process. Lesson learned is do not allow the mommies to create their own rules, she was a stupid mommy to say the least. It was Sunday, a slow night, if anything, she should say take 20/30 minutes if you like because too many girls, too little customers...
The second lesson came after the girls have been selected and well into the night when Mr. Jetsetter decided that his girl was no up to par and decide to release her early and salvage the night by picking another girl. Unfortunately, I jumped the gun and asked the mommies to restart parading their girls before Jetsetter had enough time to release her girl; needless to say, her expression was priceless. She had a stunned look on her face. As the parade of ladies continued, Jetsetter handed her the sitting fee and she went into the W.C. As it was well into the evening, there were no other suitable ladies to select for the rest of the evening. When the girl came out of the bathroom, her attitude changed a 180 degrees, she started to be more accommodating, pleasant, and playful. Sensing she had a chance to salvage her evening, she then let her self loose and is at the mercy of our Master-Jetsetter-Di-Knight. It was a first for me seeing how a girl can change so quickly and it was the bold and no-nonsense attitude of our veteran Master “J” letting his girl knows who is boss. A great lesson learned for you KTV newbies out there. Don’t let the girl dictate what she want or not want to do in the KTV room. You ARE the customer, you ARE the boss, so BE ONE!
BSD
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 06:37
The second lesson came after the girls have been selected and well into the night when Mr. Jetsetter decided that his girl was no up to par and decide to release her early and salvage the night by picking another girl. Unfortunately, I jumped the gun and asked the mommies to restart parading their girls before Jetsetter had enough time to release her girl; needless to say, her expression was priceless. She had a stunned look on her face. As the parade of ladies continued, Jetsetter handed her the sitting fee and she went into the W.C. As it was well into the evening, there were no other suitable ladies to select for the rest of the evening. When the girl came out of the bathroom, her attitude changed a 180 degrees, she started to be more accommodating, pleasant, and playful. Sensing she had a chance to salvage her evening, she then let her self loose and is at the mercy of our Master-Jetsetter-Di-Knight. It was a first for me seeing how a girl can change so quickly and it was the bold and no-nonsense attitude of our veteran Master “J” letting his girl knows who is boss. A great lesson learned for you KTV newbies out there. A great lesson learned for you KTV newbies out there. Don’t let the girl dictate what she want or not want to do in the KTV room. You ARE the customer, you ARE the boss, so BE ONE!
BSD
OK, granted that there is SOME merit in what you are suggesting -but old softee me don't like it much that you're advocating that all of us mongers should take such a high handed and "Hey, I've got the $$$ so you're nuthin beatch" attitude. Let's leave this kind of attitude to the locals who practically universally adopt such disdain for anybody and everything under their " patronage."
NO, no, no, I am NOT saying that we should all just lay down and let these gals dictate everything (like I've been guilty of doing too many times - but hey - I do love all of 'em!!), but let's not forget that they are also human beings like us. Some of the things that I know that these gals go thru, it is truly something that they actually can still hold on to any semblance of normalcy in their lives. A bit of compassion, a bit of understanding .... coupled with some words of advice and/or warning when they do step out of line would be more appropriate; and if that fails - then yes, go ahead and adopt Jet's tactic - but I found that in most cases, these gals KNOWS if they can get away with shit or not - and will act accordingly.
Another downside to going ahead and doing what you suggest, and what locals routinely do - WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE BACK-UP THAT LOCALS DO - is that you could easily end up slighting one or more parties to such an extent that they feel they do not have any other alternatives for saving their face, than to take matters into their own hands. Remember, there ARE boy friends, there ARE hanger ons, there ARE a lot of guys in CP with nothing better to do than to "help Out' a sister or friend anytime they're asked to.
Am glad to note that Jet did NOT over-react i.e. did pay her sitting fee voluntarily, allowed her to sit back down and try to salvage the situtation etc. etc.,but your last part ".....A great lesson learned for you KTV newbies out there. Don’t let the girl dictate what she want or not want to do in the KTV room. You ARE the customer, you ARE the boss, so BE ONE!........" just came over to me as being way too strong and that readers here will take it literally and will come to CP with such an attitude and do exactly that.
Just a bit of moderation my friend, a bit of moderation is what I'm asking you - and others here - to consider. Life's too short.....
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 06:46
Hahaha! LOL It's the way Joe sings, virtually indistinguishable from his yelling "AAAHHH".
Hrrumphh... just coz you're too damned chicken to sing.... to even show up at a KTV most times for fear of being forced to sing!!!
Hrrumphh.... I cain't sing but I go ahead and do so anyways.... so there!! At least I get my money's worth at the KTV!!
Chicken shit!!!
SEAJ
Ps. Bruce - I wasn't yelling AHHHH - I was yelling HALLELLUJAH - thanking HIM for all the gals!!
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 07:22
Don’t even know where to start, as there is just so many good things about my party and too many people to thank…. But here goes anyways.
It was definitely a very warm 3 nights and days I’ve just had – warm from all the acts and feelings of friendship, warm from the copious amounts of fire water I drank, warm from all the gals I had all week-end long – and not only warm but boiling HOT from the Golf game we had in the at least 38C heat in the shade (I think that’s 100.5F for you Yanks) coupled with the high humidity preceding a typhoon on its way.
And here I would like to first thank all of you who attended my party – many of you coming from such great distances, altering and changing all your travel, personal and business plans etc just to be able to come. I would have never dared to even imagine that you all would have given me so much face. And of course a GREAT BIG THANKS for chipping in to treat me to the 3 gals (I’ve had threesome in the past, but never a foursome – and what a night it was!!!) and the beautiful Jacuzzi suite. WOW!!!
I would also like to give my special thanks to our Big Swingin Dave for doing all the planning, scheduling, contacting friends, following up…. And pulling off the whole things flawlessly every single step, SINGLE HANDEDLY! I hope and believe that most of you also enjoyed the evening – so much so that a few of you have suggested that we all should ask BS Dave to arrange such an event perhaps monthly. Something that mongers - newbies and old timers alike - could mark on their diary as being a monthly event around which they could make future travel plans to CP/southern China. Yup Dave, you really did a great job!!
Last and perhaps not least, I’d like to also thank Jackson for having I.S.G. – without which I would never have had a chance to meet – and make friends with – so many good guys. Amazing that from such a web site as this, I could have made so many good and lasting friends. Amazing!! Thanks Jackson.
SEAJ
Ps.Ooooops - nearly forgot!! Thanks to all of you guys who wrote me PMS's, SMS's, e-mails as well on here to wish me a Happy Brithday. Thanks
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 07:28
Hi All.
My first time checking out this site in regards to Changping love (? ) stories. I have also been to CP a couple of times with my buddies myself. I used ]
Good report Gomer - appreciate/impressed.
Just a question out of curiosity - you sure use the word "chic" a lot dontcha??!! Did you also reach your puberty in the 60's?? As us old timers DID use the word "chic" quite a bit back then!!
SEAJ
Good report Gomer - appreciate/impressed.
Just a question out of curiosity - you sure use the word "chic" a lot dontcha??!! Did you also reach your puberty in the 60's?? As us old timers DID use the word "chic" quite a bit back then!!
SEAJWelll, that is how my buddies and I address chics, "chic". I did not know it was old timer's way of addressing gals. Because anyone who have been to CP knows ther are no women there, just bunch of young chic-letts. Hahaha.
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 09:09
A guy only turns 60 once!
And with that in mind, I set out for CP bright and early on Friday – wanting to make the most of my Mongering Birthday week-end (before my actual Birthday which is still upcoming and which of course will be celebrated under my other “personae”).
A l’il arrival meal and I was off to the races with a visit to the BBS’s as My non-WG lady friend was still at work and I wouldn’t be seeing her until after she gets off. Chose a real beauty and the mommy, who somehow or other had heard that I was celebrating my birthday that week-end, gave me a small discount off her fees as a little “gift” (hell, it’d be nice..... if she’d forego all her fees – but hey – she IS a mommie after all!!). A pretty S.O.P. type of session – but good enuff to clear the cob webs out from the old system and I was ready to meet up with a friend to talk a bit of business.
We all then headed for Manhattan and whilst the rest of them was busy choosing their lady friends for the night, going up and down and up and down again in between the 2 flower streets, B.S. Dave was busy arranging for a bigger room as a bunch more guys showed up rather unexpectedly.
Gotta say – the Manhattan DOES have a pretty good – albeit smaller – selection of gals and I’m pretty sure that most of the guys was very well satisfied with their choice. I on the other hand did not pick anybody as my above GF was gonna be there and I had to tell her that NO, she ain’t expected at my Birthday party - as I didn’t want her to see all the “going-ons” that I was gonna get into the next night. Good gal that she is, she accepted this and even told me to enjoy myself but to also be careful.
What a gem she is! I promised her that I’ll spend more time with her next week-end and that I’ll celebrate my birthday with her only then. And of course devoted “most” of my time that night paying attention to her (when I wasn’t out there grabbing somebody else’s gals.)
As Bruce reported – I went a bit nutso that night – as usual – and I think managed to grab everybody’s gals’ boobs or ass at least once during the night. Oh OK – somebody here’s gonna remind me that this ain’t the gentlemanly thing to do and, and, and… that it’s NOT acceptable behaviour – but hell – what’s the choice – having to hear me sing or having their GF for the night assaulted as I wasn’t singing??!! Anybody’s gals I missed that night?? Sorry!!
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SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 10:01
THE night!!
Whew…. That WAS a pretty good night – but here it is – already Saturday and THE day!
Started off slowly – as one of my buddies insisted that I go to lunch with him at the Miraton and he then insisted that we wait for somebody to come from Guangzhou, delivering a real life (??)) ancient archaeological fossil. Now, what makes him think I’d be interested in looking at some old decrepit …. And DEAD … fossil when I was celebrating my birthday that day??!! Oh well, I’m sure he didn’t even think of THAT!!
Anyway, lots of guys were arriving that afternoon, and whilst Dave was extremely busy, I also had to direct some of the traffic and the whole afternoon was all a blur of running around and putting out little fires like a friend having his car break down on the way!!
Most of us then proceeded to the Ban Dao café to eat and for some of the guys who were not acquainted to have a chance to get to know each other. This place is pretty cool with a nice selection of good snacks, small meals and desserts – a good place for a guy to hang with his gal if not out KTV’ing etc. (*note to B.S. Dave and self – it’s not only KTV’s where the bill can run up unexpectedly – anytime you get a whole bunch of people together, ANYWHERE, bills do run up!). And if you guys are wondering where Dave ordered my birthday cakes – yup – this is where from!!
Off to the Mayflower and the main event of my birthday week-end!! Yup – a whole bunch, in fact a whole whole bunch of gals all awaiting us!! First off the bat, Dave had arranged for 8 – 10 Mommies to bring in their 100 or so gals to our room for OUR exclusive preview and choice before they hit the flower street. I of course chose a couple gals who spoke Cantonese – and told them to pay attention to my GF who I had brought in and who had so nicely volunteered to orchestrate my “enjoyment” that evening! This GF IS a WG but I’d rate her amongst the best if not the best BJ’er in CP and on top of everything, I like her as a person. Nice gal, and I’d recommend her to any of you if you promise to take care of her. Dave’s got her digits.
Flower street was…… Flower Street!! Noisy, unruly, crowded with stinky male bodies and heaving, sexy, perfumed female ones – and literally it seems to be a never ending line-up of gals!! I’d say over a thousand of all size, shape and degree of beauty. Saw a few of my old friends and stopped to have a nice chat and re-connect with some of them. But, I did have a bit of unpleasantness here.
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SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 10:30
The Gals!!
One of my used-to-be-favorite gals was on the line-up and knowing that I was celebrating my birthday that night rushed and grabbed me to ask me to pick her. I told her that I already had 3 gals to do with me but she told me that it’s no problem, and that she will just “sit” with me that night. I thought OK, why not and told her so, when she turned around and showed me her “butterfly” name tag – which signifies that she is a 3-6-10 gal and not the usual 2-5-8 ones. I don’t know what went on in my head but at that point, I snapped and told her that I was NOT going to pay her 300, 600, 1,000 or any amount!
Actually she is used to being a real glamour gal and a glamour life– one who somebody would pay 20, 30K/month to keep, one who would be given a 10K presents to fly out to Shanghai to spend a week-end with – and one who’s expensive tastes now runs – and I think is ruining - her life. But in my mind, she IS now just another gal in a line-up and how dare she asks me to pay extra for her to sit with me – when she’s the one asking to sit??!! Oh well, that’s another story.
Went back to our party room and it was heaving with people in just about every nook and cranny. Some drinking, some playing dice or cards, some singing, some dancing and some of the guys molesting their gals…. Of course!! Damn – I MUST be a lousy singer – even on MY birthday, my song selections kept being pushed back down the list!! But hell, I did manage to nonetheless torture them all by turning around and jumping back the song queue and ….. SANG!! We also had all sort of games and silliness – and even elected “The best looking gals of the night” with cash prices!! And of course Dave’s Fiancée took the top price as she IS beautiful…. And nice and smart and sociable on top of everything else!!
My 3 gals were exactly what the doctor ordered. They were pleasant, playful, chatty and lovingly catered to me all night long. And the 3 of them seems to get along just ever so nicely – NICE! And I don’t know if the guys wanted me to NOT loose face, but they also voted for my gal (the one I brought in) and I think she won 3rd prize, whilst the second prize went to Marty’s gal “A” Jien – who is a real glamour gal…. and knows it!!
Beatch!! I helped Marty chose her – but the beatch told me later on that she did NOT want to go out with him – that she’s afraid that he’s gonna be “too big” and kept hitting on me up to take her. No fuckin’ way was I gonna take her – for not only did I already have my 3 gals – but more importantly, there is NO WAY that I would be party to Marty losing face by her going off with somebody else! These real beautiful gals – sometimes their very beauty is what ruins their lives. Too much of anything is not good, I always remind myself.
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 11:06
Champagne, cakes and NO Photos!!
Yup – the Mayflower have a policy of NO photos and are VERY strict about enforcing it – they would fine the DJ’s mucho dineros if they allow anyone to take pictures. But that night, Dave pre-arranged with the big boss to allow it JUST for our party – although of course it’s understood that we wouldn’t be snapping pictures indiscriminately. We kept up our part of the bargain and just mainly took pictures of the cake, the cake cutting and only the “rowdiness” shortly afterwards. As such, Yes, I’ve got pictures of the party but of course I will NOT put it up here as this is precisely what the Mayflower do NOT want to happen – that there are all sorts of going on-s there being spread all over on the internet. Plus of course NONE of us mongering friends want to have OUR faces known here!!
As you can see, the cakes were really nice – but I did NOT get a decent mouthful – just whatever I could manage to lick in off of my face…. as….. you guessed it!! Yup they smashed my face with the cake and I don’t even know who actually ate any of it as it seems like there was cake all over the place – at least I know that it was all over me!! Cake on my face and drinking away Champagne! What a combination! With sooooo many people “Cheering” and me downing so many drinks!! And then a few of the gals took me over to the bathroom and helped me to clean myself up – which is of course my signal to get into action – and to molest them in the bathroom!! Fun and Games!!
Cleaned up and proceeded to try to sober myself up – as I knew that I still had some “duties” to perform!! So took a bit of a breather and cuddled up with my 3 gals and sang some more songs, until I decided that it was high time that I head up to my OK corrall!!
So I went and trotted off with my 3 gals. Guys – and gals - were all staring at us as I had my arms around the three, some hi-fivin’ me, some giving me the OK signals –and at first I felt GREAT!! As I couldn’t spot any cabs, we proceeded to walk down that short cut little alley when the thought occurred to me – that, HEY, this is NOT a good sight for some of the vultures of CP to behold – Big Fat Old Me with 3 young nubile li’l gals, and decided to cab it down back to the hotel as soon as I got out of that alley…. and made it safe and sound to the Clipper.
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 11:43
THE MAIN EVENT!!
How do you describe Heaven to somebody still alive??
That just about summed up how I felt that night – that I had died and gone to heaven!!
3 good looking gals, one orchestrating and directing and the other 2 obeying just about everything – and with smiles and all sorts of enthusiasm at all times! Man oh man – I wished that I had 6 arms and 3 dicks!! For that is what was actually needed – but poor ole me had to make do with my 2 arms and 1 li’l pecker – but HEY…. I managed!!
First thing first – I had to fill up the Jacuzzi (damn – should have phoned ahead and tell the hotel to have done so prior to coming back) and of all things – the stupid Hot water faucet on it did not work!! What to do??/ Improvise and I had one of the gals hold up the shower hose and spray hot water into it….. whilst I was groping and stroking and kissing the other 2!! Hey no fair the gal holding the shower shouted – and of course I took “mercy” on her and alternated her with her colleagues!!
Ahhh – fun and games… and we all then jumped into the huge jacuzzi and I was here…. here and actually groping three… count that… THREE… good looking young things. And that was when I told the other 2 that my gal gives the best blow job probably in the whole of South China and very likely the whole of CP and that it is imperative that they now must also learn from the Master (or is that mistress?) of the art.
Demonstrate my gal did - and then proceeded to give running instructions whilst the other two practiced “the art.” How did I keep the gal from drowning whilst blowing me??/ Simple, I laid my bum on top of one of the gal’s lap… and pussy!! Man – the 3 of them must have blown me for a total of over 30 minutes before I decided that all this water is for the fishes!! I caint fuck ‘em here as I cain’t put my rubbers on here. (Yeah Yeah Yeah, I AM a safe sex type guy!!)
OK pictures – I’ll send a masked up picture of the 3 gals if you PM me and I know you, as I do want to make sure that their identities ARE protected (At least 25-30 of you guys know exactly who they are!!). By the way, it’s actually pretty hard to get 3 gals to take pictures – at least I had a helluva harder time convincing ‘em that it’s OK (versus when I am just with 1 gal) and that for sure that I’ll be protecting their identities. And thus the reason for me NOT to be putting up their photos here. OK?
Funny how different the 3 of ‘em are. One of the gals has a butterfly shaped pussy hair. Yup – swear to God, it’s butterfly shaped (or is it heart shaped?) and its all natural – not a lick of shaving or unnaturalness. Then the middle one only has a wisp of hair?? And then my gal, she just has a thin strip?? Ain’t nature wonderful??
So THERE BnLee – appreciate wonderful nature in all its natural glory WITHOUT your blasted shaver!!
NO Slam Bam Thank You Mam tonight – nosssirreeee!! We all did it in every way and in every combination that a guy can have with 3 gals – at least I think so. And the best thing about it all was that it all was orchestrated by my gal and it all seems just ever so natural – if sex between 1 guy and 3 gals could ever be called natural that is!! Sorry – but I really cannot describe it properly – exceptin’ that it was truly like I had gone to heaven..
OK OK So it may NOT be a big deal for some of you guys whov'e had 3 gals at the same time - but HEY - this is a first for me. So cut me some slack will ya??!!
SE Asia Joe
08-04-09, 11:46
Apologies to one and all for "dominating" the Dongguan board today - but I really do need to thank all the guys involved and to do so by reporting back to these guys who made my week-end such a memorable event for me.
Please feel free to ignore my diatribe if you find it too much/tedious to read as there is NOt that much real info in them
Apologize and thanks for your understanding
SEAJ
Glad you had a good time. Most of us would love to be there but are stuck in our own country.
Seeing all the people that showed up for your party, you can now say "They like me, they really like me" :-)
Big Swingin Dave
08-05-09, 03:44
CP can be montonous and at times seem too routine when you wake up in the morning and have breakfast, do some work, run a couple errands, lunch with a couple ISG brothers or with our gals, an afternoon chicken run, take a snooze or get online, then off to that night's KTV in town, party all night, a midnight snack, sleep and start all over again the next day.
Having moved from Chang An (CA) to CP 3 months ago, I didn't know how much I actually missed CA until Jetsetter, L.A. Dude, Racetrack, pppTraveler, and I decided to take a day trip to CA last night. CA is approximately 45 minutes by car. Originally, we had a full day planned but decided to just go late in the afternoon, have a quiet dinner then off the New Century Flower (NCF) KTV which is located in the Jie Kou district of Chang An. The nearest big hotel is Yi Dong Business Hotel about 100 yards from the KTV.
NCF is a stand-alone (not part of any hotel and/or other establishments) KTV which has a few wear and tear. It's not the newer/modern type of KTV like in CP but it was fine for the activities that we were about to partake. We all had a gentlemen's agreement that ALL the girls were available to each other and that there will be NO "you can't touch my girl" rules applicable for the evening. As we were selecting our gals, TravelDog which lives in CP also showed up so there were 6 of us and we chose 8 gals to sit and party with us for the evening.
The attitudes of the gals in the CA is so different than the gals from the CP. They are so much more friendlier, happier, and affectionate than the gals in CP. They never gave you the feeling of "I really don't want to be here but for your 200RMB I will endure you type of attitude". It started with everyone of them taking their bra off and putting it in a little baggie then they went around the room wishing you a good time for the evening and of course a great opportunity to view and grope the ladies and sample all the hardware and none of them seem to mind at all.
We all have our own preferences in terms of which kind of girl we like so it was interesting to see how everyone selected their girls. I made the first pick and selected a cute petite B- cup girl which won the affectionality award for the evening. This girl was like a puppy dog, she followed me everywhere and was a man's dream in terms of being obedient and loving. This girl had a smile on her face all night and never once had a negative things coming out of her month (perhaps only when she was checking the penis of every guy in the room...LOL). Then the rest of the order of the selections were a blur but I remember Racetrack picking two gals as if his mentality was making sure that their chests were as flat as the Kentucky Derby grounds; however, he did pick the most stunning girl of the evening, a solid 9 on looks and figure but her titties are smaller than 4 of the guys in the room (you know who you are...). Newbie pppTraveler selected a girl that looks like a twin of one of our ISG brother's GF in CP, can't couldn't take my eyes off of her all night and she herself to me (she had the best titties of all the gals, a perfect B+ cup), definitely had some chemistry there, then the second gal he took came into our room 4 times standing at different positions each time and I don't know if pppT had a short-term memory lapse or just felt pity on her and selected her but she had C+ size cup titties; however, one of Jetsetter’s gal took the cake on having the largest D+ size titties on a small frame body and a very pretty face (virtually no make-up). This girl by far overall is the best pick of the evening (two nights in a row Jetsetter has had the best pick of the night, being a mongering/KTV veteran, he really gets the best out of a KTV session, a great guy to party with for all you veterans and newbies alike). L.A. Dude and TravelDog’s picks were ordinary and nothing special to report but they filled the room nicely.
The activities began with us split into 3 groups. Jetsetter and L.A. Dude was playing 0-5-10-15-20; Racetrack and pppTraveler was facing off in a team dueling liar’s dice; with me and TravelDog playing Dou Di Ju (a popular Chinese card game that ALL the gals in China know how to play, they love this game, a great ice-breaker that we like to play). Well it was off to the races with Racetrack, within two minutes he already had his shirt off, very soon after pppTraveler follow suit then slowly one by one boys and gals alike began to stripping and yes evening the BVDs were off for some of the guys and panties for most of the gals. When most of the clothes were off, the music volume was turned up, the lights turned down, and everyone was on the floor dancing with each gal passing off for each guy to sample and grind. It was bliss in heaven with 8 amazing gals dancing and rubbing against you for a good 15-20 minutes. It was no holds bar, a big change to the routine KTV activities we are so used to in CP.
The rest of the evening went down-hill from there, L.A. Dude took advantage of a short-time room (100RMB) and ST one of his two gals. With L.A. Dude gone, Racetrack took guardianship of his lonely girl and liked her so much that he decided to ditch his two gals. When L.A. Dude returned, he asked her permission to take his second girl back to the hotel and L.A. agreed so he spent the rest of the evening with her but near the end of the evening, Racetrack was dancing with my girl and liked her so much he decided to ditch L.A. Dude’s second girl and decided to take my girl back instead. Wow, Racetrack was really “off to the races” last night, perhaps maybe he is on the “final stretch” of his 3 weeks stay and is trying to maximize his pleasure before going back to boring USA.
It was a wonderful and highly recommended for all the ISG brothers to visit CA if/when you are here in China for more than 3 days but plan on being a one day trip when you visit CA.
BSD
Ppp Traveler
08-05-09, 08:30
It was a wonderful and highly recommended for all the ISG brothers to visit CA if/when you are here in China for more than 3 days but plan on being a one day trip when you visit CA.
BSDBSD,
We actually picked 10 girls among us 6 guys I haven't had that much fun playing strip dice in. Forever! Ok, it was my first time ever playing strip dice, but still. I was eager with anticipation, waiting for each strip. By the time my 2 girls got their clothes off, I couldn't stop squeezing their melons. I went into the night telling everyone, "I am gonna choose girls with big knockers! ", and I was not disappointed with my choices. The other brothers were happy too, since we all shared the love Also, the girls were really excited to see us naked. After me and Racetrack got naked first (yeah, we suck at the dice game), the girls kept teasing us, sneaking peaks under our briefs, grabbing our didi's, and one of my girls even started giving me a HJ under my briefs! I can hide, but I can't run!
The best part was when we were all dancing naked in an orgy-like fashion (the guys were shy, so we covered our xiao didi's in briefs and boxers, but the girls were totally naked and loving it: D We would dance a few minutes, and then someone would yell "SWITCH! ", and then we changed girls. BSD called it "naked musical chairs"! I was sandwiched between girls so many times that I started to feel like a BLT Subway sandwich. I remember one petite girl that I was grinding with (maybe LA Dude's girl). She was really fun and wild, and we were almost humping standing up, and she got so turned-on that she was really wet (I could feel it when I rubbed my fingers between her legs).
Ok, but the best, BEST part of the whole night was when me and Racetrack got the prettiest girl in the house to give us a DOUBLE HJ in the corner, facing away from everyone so they couldn't see. That is so Japanese-porn-movie style, I loved it! And nothing bonds two guys quite like being pleasured by the same girl at the same time (in a non-gay kinda way). I feel like Racetrack is my long-lost childhood best friend! In fact, we agreed to do a 4-some later that night with our 2 girls. The girls initially agreed, but one of them got shy and backed out at the last minute (although she'd probably do it for more money, though).
All in all, one of the best mongering nights I've ever had, because of the newness of the experience, the sweetness of the girls, and the reasonable price. Maybe because CA is quieter and has less KTV's and less action, the girls are more relaxed and more accommodating. Now, 3 of the guys are seriously thinking about going back to CA later this week. As for me, I've been partying so hard this past week in CP (9 pops with 6 girls in 5 days) that I will take it easy and hang out with one of my previous girls. I'll write up a report of my CP trip later.
Stay safe and have fun,
PPP
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Big Swingin Dave
08-05-09, 09:50
being the newest and biggest ktv in town is not necessary the best ktv. management is exceptionally strict in terms of the policy they have set in operating this ktv. case in point, there are no:
1) taking food into the ktv, most establishments allow for free or at least for a small fee for allowing outside food into the ktv. you can bring it in but you are not allowed to open it inside the room; otherwise, if management finds out, all the djs and wgs in the room are fined the next day;
2) taking alochol into the ktv, most establishments will charge you a corkage fee, even jy which is owned by the same owner allows you to take alcohol in but they will charge a ridiculous amount (i.e. jetsetter took a bottle of grey goose vodka a few months back and they charge him the same price as if it was purchased there...totally ridiculous but at least they allow you to bring it in) but nayflower will not even let it into the door;
3) taking pictures, most establishments discourage photo taking in the room but nayflower will terminate all the djs and wgs in the room if they do not report the photos that were taken inside the ktv room. once it has been reported then at least 4 to 6 security guards will come and make sure that you delete the photos or they will confirep001e your camera;
4) appoint your familiar dj to service the room, djs are not allowed to be appointed more than twice unless the customer book the room through her. most places do not have this rule and allows you to appoint whoever you like whenever you like;
5) using your own mp3 player inside the room, sometimes we don't like anyone singing in the room (hint hint to seajoe...) so we want to plug in our own mp3 player but nayflower does not allow you to do that;
6) annoying lds (lady drinks), all the wgs have the duty to order a ld and will annoy the patron until he allows her to order it, it cost 25rmb each and if you have 10 wgs in the room it adds an additional 250rmb to the bill, the other night when we had 30+ wgs in the room, you do the math, it can add up quickly...nayflower really know how to do business because if the wgs fail to order their ld, they will be fined and they will have to fork out the 25rmb themselves; in another word, nayflower gets the money regardless. some customers are firm in not ordering, when that happens, the wgs attitude changes and they will molp around due to this little fee but to them it's a lot when 1/8th of their sitting fee is given up on fines;
7) no reservation, no entry into flower street. if you don't have a reservation you are not allowed to view the ladies in the flower street. most places do not care but nayflower have hostesses and security guards blocking and guarding the entrance of the flower street so it is hard to get by them without a reservation;
8) flower street line-up is very disorderly, due to "fairness" to the mommies, positioning in the flower street is very important so to ensure fairness, the wgs will switch places base on lottery system . there is no way you can predict where the mommies will be at any given day. with nearly 100 mommies and 1,000+wgs, it's a zoo in the flower street and someone suggested that the flow of traffice be one-direction, that is a good idea but remember, we are in china, there is "no" real order whatever you are doing so to enforce that, it would be nearly impossible.
there are a few good things at the mayflower but the bad is really outweighing the good. i think the novelty of the biggest and the baddest will soon wear off as there will be four other new ktvs opening before the end of the year. if they don't shape up, they will be losing customers fast and furious and possibly only then will they change their strict rules; otherwise, if you must go there, be patient and understanding to their operating policy...
bsd
SE Asia Joe
08-05-09, 10:57
conclusion – some downhill!!
bright and early, got up to have breakfast with the guys, rushed around to pack up to go golfing whilst trying to get a bit more action with my gf; mission impossible as she was just sooooo pooped out from all that directin’ teaching’ doin’ and….etc. etc. the night before that she just begged off with a promise that she’ll be extra good that night. oh well, no biggee, as i actually was also totally pooped out…. and had to then go out in the 38c heat and play golf! just cuddled up a bit instead and then checked out of the hotel.
next…. golf!!! and what a mistake that was!! i mean it was so hot, so humid and so windless – that we all just about had heat stroke! we even actually stopped mid-way during the game to have lunch/re-hydrate ourselves - but still ended up totally useless! the only saving grace was that we practically had the whole course to ourselves and experienced no delays whatsoever. (whaddya expect fool – ain’t nobody else dumb enuff to play golf that day!!).
went back and had a bit of a snooze and i was good to go again – thank goodness, for as soon as i woke up, there was my gf at the door wanting to be let in! “oookay… let’s go say hi to the guys at pp!” i said, and away we went and had a couple or so drinks there before oah came and got me to treat me to dinner. dinner over and i was ready to take my gf’s earlier offer to be “extra good.” and she never disappoints! and before i knew it, it was already morning and time for another bye-bye session – which she also completed with equal gusto. what a trooper!!
what to do with myself for the last few hours of “my birthday week-end?" well big swingin’ rooster dave all but begged me to go on a run with him to check out his hens – and of course i had to oblige him and go on his chicken run. i knew exactly what i wanted – an especially pretty one to cap the whole week-end off. has to be very pretty no matter what!
bbs after bbs we went to, and it wasn’t until we were at the green door one that i found the perfect specimen. tall, beautiful, and new!! yup – new!! but hold on here – new like in “inexperienced?” yup – confirmed. new like your service is no good? yup – i don’t even know what is good or bad service! omigawd…. but what the hell??!!
figure that it’d probably be a bit of ego booster if i could break this new gal in properly… get her stirred up enough…. and conquer her!! hell, i’ve had a pretty good batting average in the past with doing exactly this – and what better time to re-validate my errhmm,,, erhmmmm “manhood” than on my 60th birthday??!!
so off i went with my trophy – and what a trophy she was…. much better body in the buff than what may have seem to be in her unflattering street clothes, a lot whiter skinned body than the otherwise farm suntanned legs, arms and face had indicated, and a sweet sweet honey pot to cap it all off. a real beauty indeed.
i worked and worked and stroked and kissed and caressed and even used slower better’s vibrators….. but this gal was sooo inexperienced that she actually didn’t know how to react to any of my ministrations. incredible… truly incredible… for to her sex is only the hump, grunt and shiver that she had done to her by her farm boyfriend. ain’t none of this and all of this is just too weird!! cain’t believe it…. really cain’t believe it at all!!
here i am defeated by a simple farm gal – and the worse thing about it all is that she had actually wanted to learn and enjoy – but told me that this was all just too weird and strange for her!! me and my close to half a century worth of experience cain’t do nuthin’ for her!! talk about being deflated!! oh well….. as i paid her and slinked off back to hong kong.
a good start for my next 60 years?? yes?? yes!!
seaj
SE Asia Joe
08-05-09, 11:59
Being the newest and biggest KTV in town is not necessary the best KTV. Management is exceptionally strict in terms of the policy they have set in operating this KTV. Case in point, there are NO:
1) Taking .........BSD
WOW - didn't realize any of this at all!!
So you musta done a helluva good job negotiating, pleading, bargaining - and throwing your "Big Swinging Dave Creds" with the Management to have as much concessions as we had for my party.
We had outside food, we had pictures, we had our choice of DJ - and our own private-in-room-preview of the gals BEFORE going down to the flower street. And if I recall, you actually made them switch the required RMB 25 lady drink into RMB 25 worth of FOOD for all of us to eat instead of just for the gal to drink.
Pays to stick with you - Big Swingin Maestro!!
SEAJ
Turtlehead
08-05-09, 16:04
Hello,
Been reading the board. First time submit. Was at SE Asia Joe's party and had a good time. Met a few people on the board and so decided to register and say hello.
My favorite hangout in DG is L. A. Bar. The Filipino band is not as good as before, but I like dancing. So I would pick a girl from the K and take her dinner and dancing. Sometimes KTV can a long night. Also fun can be the revolving restaurant.
Guess I like the GFE experience. It's hit and miss. I've been in DG for years and sometimes 1 out of 10 picks, you can get a good GFE time.
I was showing some photos to my friend from the States and he was stunned that the girls in my phone were professionals.
In search of the girl next door!
Turtlehead
08-05-09, 16:14
Just submitted a report but didn't see it on the board.
So I'm testing to see if I'm doing something wrong.
Turtlehead
08-05-09, 16:31
Overall, in the last few months, Peninsula is where I think the best quality is right now.
Last week at Mayflower I noticed many of the girls bailed for the night. Not sure what the situation was, but I haven't seen that happen before. I have not been impressed with the Mayflower. The management feels arrogant. I wonder if they will survive long-term.
I see bad times ahead for CP. With all the hotels and KTVs opening, and less clients per hotel. They need to bring in more clients, but unfortunately, they cannot market themselves like Vegas. What to do? I'm afraid they will start doing outlandish things to gain attention from the limited clientele. At some point, the outlandish things will cause a crackdown.
The golden age of DG was about 7 years ago. I can remember 8 guys picking from 1 group. Just like the 80s was the golden age of porn, the golden age for DG was about 2002. I see it going downhill from here. The attitudes of the girls are changing. DG is changing. It use to be quiet and subtle, now it's jacuzzi and sequins! I'm glad I was there when it was the bests of times.
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Big Swingin Dave
08-06-09, 01:42
For the few resident ISG brothers that lives in CP it is often tiring to go to KTVs every night but it is hard not to do that as there is a constant flow of people streaming into/out of CP everyday; however, it is quite a nice change of pace when you do something else instead.
Jetsetter usually spends a week minimum each time he visits CP and last night he made arrangements for a grand dinner for 15 of us. When it comes to eating, Mr. Jetsetter is THE man and he has the BODY to back it up!Including him and I there were also L.A. Due, Racetrack, pppTraveler, Pleasure Dude, a non-ISG brother and 8 lovely ladies. We had our own private room and a 13 course feast at the HuiHua Hotel. The room was big enough to sit 15 of us comfortably and even had a couch, a couple loveseats, and tv. We started with some chit chat until Racetrack came into the room and we all suddenly had to watch what we say as his date for the evening can speak near perfect English, a rare find indeed. While we were happily catching up on what happened during the day and reminicing on the previous night activities, Jetsetter and L.A. Dude started playing Dao Du Ju (a popular Chinese card game) with my financee and the penalty for losing was drinking Vodka and I told them please don't get my financee drunk and of course, they got her drunk, thanks a lot guys!
After a fantastic dinner, we all headed to the Swan Lake Center and on the 2nd floor they have a newly renovated bowling alley. 8 of us played a game and pppTraveler won the best bowling style of the night with his impression of the the one flap down imitation. Jetsetter had high score (114)...yeah yeah yeah...we are sucked at bowling, with me coming in second with 108. We then went to Ba Dao Cafe for some delicious deserts, afterwards pppTraveler and his date came back to my apartment and played an hour of more Dao Di Ju before heading back to the Clipper for some R&R.
Overall, a great evening, a nice change to the routine/mundane of p...y hunting BUT back on the hunt again tonight at the Manhattan, Fu Hao on Friday, Penninsula on Saturday. You know, it's a tough job...but somebody got to do it. Don't be shy to let us know next time you are in town so you can join in on all the fun and games in CP.
BSD
Overall, in the last few months, Peninsula is where I think the best quality is right now.
Last week at Mayflower I noticed many of the girls bailed for the night. Not sure what the situation was, but I haven't seen that happen before. I have not been impressed with the Mayflower. The management feels arrogant. I wonder if they will survive long-term.
I see bad times ahead for CP. With all the hotels and KTVs opening, and less clients per hotel. They need to bring in more clients, but unfortunately, they cannot market themselves like Vegas. What to do? I'm afraid they will start doing outlandish things to gain attention from the limited clientele. At some point, the outlandish things will cause a crackdown.
The golden age of DG was about 7 years ago. I can remember 8 guys picking from 1 group. Just like the 80s was the golden age of porn, the golden age for DG was about 2002. I see it going downhill from here. The attitudes of the girls are changing. DG is changing. It use to be quiet and subtle, now it's jacuzzi and sequins! I'm glad I was there when it was the bests of times.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I don't know CP as well as you do. Only been there a couple of times, but each time I stayed for a month with friends. SO, I guess I know a bit about the fucken place. In my opinion, the biggest problem with the all those KTV, kinky massage and back alley supermarkets are that many chics and mama sans do not like foreigners much. Many times, while my buddies and I have line ups in our hotel room, I would pick a chic and many of them refuse to go out with me. I ain't no prince charms but ain't no old ugly dog either. Damn, I was pissed many times for that. It never happened in the US with my Chinese galfriends. I think it is due to all those chics are not being familiar with meeting many foreigners. Unlike, Philipine and Thailand. I just fuckin hate being discriminated aganist. Many times, that fuckin ruined my day.
Turtlehead
08-06-09, 05:35
I don't know CP as well as you do. Only been there a couple of times, but each time I stayed for a month with friends. SO, I guess I know a bit about the fucken place. In my opinion, the biggest problem with the all those KTV, kinky massage and back alley supermarkets are that many chics and mama sans do not like foreigners much. Many times, while my buddies and I have line ups in our hotel room, I would pick a chic and many of them refuse to go out with me. I ain't no prince charms but ain't no old ugly dog either. Damn, I was pissed many times for that. It never happened in the US with my Chinese galfriends. I think it is due to all those chics are not being familiar with meeting many foreigners. Unlike, Philipine and Thailand. I just fuckin hate being discriminated aganist. Many times, that fuckin ruined my day.Discrimination is usually from ignorance. I think there are a few reasons this happens to you. 1. They think foreigners have big dicks and it could hurt. 2. They have never seen a foreigner in real life and are shy or afraid of the unknown. 3. They are afraid of the hairy body (hehe).
Sometimes it just can't be helped, this discrimination, but I can only offer you a few suggestions. 1. Use humor to ease the tension. 2. Say a few more words in Chinese. Learn as much Chinese as possible. 3. Show them your dick is small like everybody else (Anyway, it's the way you use it) 4. If you have body hair, let them feel the softness of your hair. 5. Finally, have your buddies let you pick first, then at least you can weed out the ones that will not go out with you.
Sad to say, we all experience discrimination or think from our perspective we are discriminated against. Just look at Gates and Crowley. When I was young and horny in high school living in the states, I always wanted to find a white, blue-end, blond high school cheerleader (a la Tiger Wood's wife) that would do the hell out of me, but I never could.
Sometimes it's just misunderstanding when you are put in the "back of the bus", because. HEY. My dick is pretty BIG indeed!
Turtlehead
P. S. Anyone know any cheerleaders types in FKK Germany?
Playboy2000
08-06-09, 05:36
For the few resident ISG brothers that lives in CP it is often tiring to go to KTVs every night but it is hard not to do that as there is a constant flow of people streaming into/out of CP everyday; however, it is quite a nice change of pace when you do something else instead.
Jetsetter usually spends a week minimum each time he visits CP and last night he made arrangements for a grand dinner for 15 of us. When it comes to eating, Mr. Jetsetter is THE man and he has the BODY to back it up!Including him and I there were also L.A. Due, Racetrack, pppTraveler, Pleasure Dude, a non-ISG brother and 8 lovely ladies. We had our own private room and a 13 course feast at the HuiHua Hotel. The room was big enough to sit 15 of us comfortably and even had a couch, a couple loveseats, and tv. We started with some chit chat until Racetrack came into the room and we all suddenly had to watch what we say as his date for the evening can speak near perfect English, a rare find indeed. While we were happily catching up on what happened during the day and reminicing on the previous night activities, Jetsetter and L.A. Dude started playing Dao Du Ju (a popular Chinese card game) with my financee and the penalty for losing was drinking Vodka and I told them please don't get my financee drunk and of course, they got her drunk, thanks a lot guys!
After a fantastic dinner, we all headed to the Swan Lake Center and on the 2nd floor they have a newly renovated bowling alley. 8 of us played a game and pppTraveler won the best bowling style of the night with his impression of the the one flap down imitation. Jetsetter had high score (114)...yeah yeah yeah...we are sucked at bowling, with me coming in second with 108. We then went to Ba Dao Cafe for some delicious deserts, afterwards pppTraveler and his date came back to my apartment and played an hour of more Dao Di Ju before heading back to the Clipper for some R&R.
Overall, a great evening, a nice change to the routine/mundane of p...y hunting BUT back on the hunt again tonight at the Manhattan, Fu Hao on Friday, Penninsula on Saturday. You know, it's a tough job...but somebody got to do it. Don't be shy to let us know next time you are in town so you can join in on all the fun and games in CP.
BSD
I want to thank the whole gang: Jetsetter,L.A. Due, pppTraveler, Pleasure Dude, SEAJ, OAH, Jim Traveler, the Singapore crowd (especially W, Spoonfork, and C), many others, and especially BigSwinginDave for all their hospitality. It has been two great weeks in ChangPing. The night at CF was probably the highlight; but there were many other great times as well. I leave CP tonight at 9PM. Hope to catch up with all of you again during my next trip, which may not be for another year.,
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 07:22
I don't know CP as well as you do. Only been there a couple of times, but each time I stayed for a month with friends. SO, I guess I know a bit about the fucken place. In my opinion, the biggest problem with the all those KTV, kinky massage and back alley supermarkets are that many chics and mama sans do not like foreigners much. Many times, while my buddies and I have line ups in our hotel room, I would pick a chic and many of them refuse to go out with me. I ain't no prince charms but ain't no old ugly dog either. Damn, I was pissed many times for that. It never happened in the US with my Chinese galfriends. I think it is due to all those chics are not being familiar with meeting many foreigners. Unlike, Philipine and Thailand. I just fuckin hate being discriminated aganist. Many times, that fuckin ruined my day.
I can see why you would be upset, but please also understand that the girls - as you pointed out - ARE not familiar with meeting foreigners. Please note that in many cases, the only exposure they've had about foreigners is when the Mommie trains/shows them a Western Porn - which you know usually features guys with quite large appendages (I've always wondered why they would use these "big" guys - won't it make some in the audience feel inadequate?? Or do the producers of Western Porn also cater to the female audience?? Hmmmm...). Most people in China - especially those on the lower socio-economic ranking, prefers to watch Chinese or Asian (Korean, Japanese, Hong Kong etc) REGULAR movies rather than go see an American or other western movies - and thus my statement that Porn is probably one of the few time they've actually seen westerners.
Please also read thru some of the postings on the Japanese threads - where a 40% success/60% failure rate for a Gaijin to get serviced is already considered very good. Gaijins in Japan is practically grateful if they get accepted as a customer and have no resentment whatsoever at being turned down. Why is that?
My explanation for this is that since Japan is such a rich country - and a Western monger client is no big deal in terms of $/Yen - that there is nothing but acceptance from a Westerner to being turned down. Which brings up the question of "Why is it so bad when a Chinese gal turns a Westerner down?"
You are contracting a very very personal service, one that involves actual physical contact where the gal is more than entitled to refuse to agree to.... when she actually fears for her physical well being. Lets face it, there is also an economic side to this; she is also afraid of not being able to work if she gets injured because a guy is too big.... or too rough. And here, I also blame some of the Western BSD's rolling into town and insisting on getting serviced the way they get serviced in Thailand or PI or Cambodia etc. (See some of the comments about how Americans many times specify anal and other non-traditional sex services on the Thai/PI boards).
And then there is also the stigma of being considered as being so "not pretty" that a gal has to RESORT to doing White guys. Yes, this is a genuine concern for the gals as she certainly does NOT want to have such a stigma attached to her, as it does definitely affect her sale-ability.
Please let rejections by Chinese gals to slide and not affect your mood so much. Instead, think of the Gaijins in Japan, think about when you do succeed, and think about how good a gal is going to be if she accepts you readily instead of just reluctantly agreeing to service you. Ok friend??
IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. There is also reverse discrimination in the West - when a gal would see and tell me "Hey - you ain't all that small??!!" Talk about being pissed???!!
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 07:48
BSD,
We actually picked 10 girls among us 6 guys I haven't had that much fun playing strip dice in. Forever! Ok, it was my.............
.............]
My MY MY!!!
A helluva transformation from the lonely traveler getting beaten up and all bloodied in some CP alley just a couple or so weeks ago - to now, a fun loving, strip dice playing lothario, getting serviced and having all sorts of fun, all over the place in Dongguan!!
My My My!
Hahahahah!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 08:02
A great alternative to the routine/mundane...
For the few resident ISG brothers that lives in CP it is often tiring ........; however, it is quite a nice change of pace when you do something else instead......
Overall, a great evening, a nice change to the routine/mundane .....
BSD
BSD - do you actually realize what you've just gone and said??!!
Jeez - you've been away from home too damn long!
Your Routine/Mundane is what anybody back home consider a Wild and extremely desired for experience.
Your "alternative" is precisely what most guys in the States would be sick and tired of doing....everyday....routinely...in their boring lives...with their boring wives, families, gut busting family dinners, drinkin' to oblivion as there ain't nuthin' else to do and....... !
You want most guys on this board to want to kill you with envy or what??
Hahahah
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 08:16
Hello,
My favorite hangout in DG is L. A. Bar. The Filipino band is not as good as before, but I like dancing. So I would pick a girl from the K and take her dinner and dancing. Sometimes KTV can a long night. Also fun can be the revolving restaurant.
In search of the girl next door!
If you like the Filipino band at LA bar, you could also hear them perform at that restaurant across the street from the LA bar (a couple or so doors down from the Miraton) and for a much cheaper price!!
The 2 places are owned by the same operator and he moves the band back and forth between the 2. The advantage of the restaurant (cain't think of it's name just now - must be old age!!) is that they feature a cheaper menu and I personally like the atmosphere better there as its a lot less "stiff" than the LA cafe. Just my humble opinion though - and perhaps its because I like flirting with one of the waitresses there!
PLUS....the last time I went to the LA cafe, my "I-thought-she-was-gonna-be-a-freebie, but-I-never-even-got-past-first-base-with-her" date ordered us an RMB 350 meal for us! RMB 350 for a few kisses and a few gropes!! What a fricken waste of money..... in CP nonetheless!! And then she had the nerve to take me shopping with her!! Oh Joe Joe Joe!! You're hopeless!!
GRRRRRrrrr.........
SEAJ
i don't know cp as well as you do. only been there a couple of times, but each time i stayed for a month with friends. so, i guess i know a bit about the fucken place. in my opinion, the biggest problem with the all those ktv, kinky massage and back alley supermarkets are that many chics and mama sans do not like foreigners much.
kind of strange your first post on 08-01-09 at 13:40 just 4 day before this, it was a different story. it's a story where you picked up a few girls and one time your laptop was stolen. for your first post, you didn't mention about not being rejected. the post said you had a great time and been to cp a couple of times.
just to let you know even if you are chinese or asian, there is still a possibility of getting rejected. even if the girl goes reluctantly with a chinese or asian guy, she still might be a dead fish or give you bad service. it is not 100% for chinese or asian guys.
yes, the rejection rate is higher for foreigners. it is a combination of language, size, age and looks. you said you had a few chinese girl friends in the states,why. i think you had answered your questions in your first post.
if you go to japan, the rejection rate by girls is even worse. many places there even have signs saying foreigners are not welcome. most guys don't go to japan because it so expensive doing anything there. because it so expensive, girls exposure to foreigners is even less than china and their rejection is much much higher.
nevertheless, if you look like a blt the girls will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you in china or japan.
a blt, is brad pitt, leo dicaprio and tom cruse.
. Unlike, Philipine and Thailand. I just fuckin hate being discriminated aganist. Many times, that fuckin ruined my day.
I actually visit China, Thailand, PI, and Indonesia quite often. I think it's quite unfair to say you are getting discriminated against more in China versus PI and LOS. In PI and LOS, they have special designated prostitution venues for westerners. Business establishments in the zones strongly discourage and even prohibit locals from entering. Of course, in these western designated venues you tend to get girls who are quite undesireable to the locals; older, already had children, shorter, dark skin, etc... And of course the girls working these venues have to enthusiastically pursue western customers and learn to entice them by acting super slutty and give all kinds of PDA; otherwise they will go hungry. However, as a westerner try going to venues catering to locals and see what kind of welcome you get.... talk about feeling discriminated against.
On the other hand CP is inherently a place catering to local and ethnic Chinese not to westerners. However, I find the places are surprisingly welcoming to westerners. Just don't expect them to change the game to western tastes. At the same time there is no institutionalized foreigner price gouging - such as in Singapore, Thailand, Korea, Malaysia, etc... Of course, the girls on offer have not been filtered off to cater to the westerners - so what you get is as SEA Joe indicates, a lot of girls with very limited exposure to westerners whose on the job training involved watching western style porn. Personally I love the much better selection of girls in these venues over LOS and PI and, even after tossing out the one's unwilling to try the white meat, there is a hell of a lot more quality to go around here than over in AC, BKK, and Pattaya. Personally, I have more fun in exploring something different that isn't oriented to westerners rather than some special partitioned for westerners venues. It's kind of like being an expat and living in expat enclaves versus living regular local neighborhoods.
The only other place that I have been that is as welcoming, and it's even moreso, of foreigners in the local venues is Indonesia. Speculating, I doubt the Chinese really would ever want to host a western oriented sex tourist town. They just have a lot of others ways to make money and create wealth than to follow such a stigmatized path.
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 08:57
just to let you know even if you are chinese or asian, there is still a possibility of getting rejected. even if the girl goes reluctantly with a chinese or asian guy, she be a dead fish or give you bad service. it is not 100% for chinese or asian guys.
nevertheless, if you look like a blt the girls will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you in china or japan.
a blt, is brad pitt, leo dicaprio and tom cruse.
awwwwww...... you poor poor dear!!!
why dontcha sell your beemer and use the money to buy yourself a cheap car here.... and then stay a while to let known/impress 'em that you're some big swingin wah kiu on the market for a bride to take back to gold mountain.
then you wouldn't need to be a blt or anything - just a guy with a big stick fending off all 'em gals!
meanwhile - here's a little something to set your sights - and plans for the near future - on!
hurry back, you're getting to be more and more of a crochetty old man living way too vicariously on others enjoyment.... whilst you could be doing precisely that yourself.
hyoooo sillllvah!!!
seaj
ps. couple more pixs of her in the photo gallery - a night market gal with thick sexy lips, a bit of baby fat and a great bbbj!
OldAsiaHand
08-06-09, 09:50
We may want to take this dialogue to the designated thread for this subject but I will post my thoughts here anyway.
As a laowai, gaijin, farang, etc. we must face the fact that we will experience a certain amount of rejection all over Asia.
China is not as bad as other countries such as Japan and Korea. Case in point is my recent visit to Tobita in Osaka where I got less than a 10% acceptance rate. Most Japanese clubs, soaps, pink salons, etc. are "Japanese Only". In Korea RLDs (Yongsan, 555, Miari), only the B and C rows (lower quality) accept white guys. The top MPs and nightclubs in Thailand do not accept farang. Many of the WGs in Bangkok go-go bars now only want to go with Japanese customers. As And, the list goes on.
IMHO, China has come a long way. I can remember the time when you were lucky to find 1-2 girls out of 100s in a KTV that would even consider doing a laowai. They were always fat, ugly or both and had no other choice. And, many BBS were completely off limits.
Many of the reasons why have been posted already but I will elaborate my POV:
1) The best looking girls reject foreigners because they do not need the business. There are enough local and overseas Chinese punters chasing them.
2) The stigma of going with foreigners makes them less saleable to local punters. Many BBS I visit ask me to make my selection quickly in order to avoid local customers seeing me in the BBS thus affecting their business. A couple of months ago, one BBS girl in CP was willing to go with me ST at my hotel but refused when I invited her to dinner first. She may have not wanted to be seen with a foreigner in public.
3) The fear of size, pain and performance (from the porn movies and sharing war stories with other girls) plays a role. It is a business proposition and they are looking for "less pain, more gain". I often let a girl take a look and feel of my xiao didi. A little sweet talking reassurance can often alleviate the fear too. Once you become better known to the girls and the mommys, it gets easier.
4) I do not think the language, age and looks are a big factor as long as you can pay the price unless you are really ugly.
5) Most of the time, they just say they are afraid of foreigners straight up. Sometimes they will use the price to discourage you quoting a ridiculous price that they know you will not accept. If you do accept, most will bite the bullet and do the deed using the crazy money to justify it and looking at you as a fool to pay it.
I reckon the current average rejection rate in China is up to 30% depending on the area, the venue, the timing, etc. I just take it in stride and move on. 70% is plenty. If you insist in the 30%, you will always regret it.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
08-06-09, 10:08
.................3) the fear of size, pain and performance (from the porn movies and sharing war stories with other girls) plays a role. it is a business proposition and they are looking for "less pain, more gain". i often let a girl take a look and feel of my xiao didi. a little sweet talking reassurance can often alleviate the fear too. once you become better known to the girls and the mommys, it gets easier............
i reckon the current average rejection rate in china is up to 30% depending on the area, the venue, the timing, etc. i just take it in stride and move on. 70% is plenty. if you insist in the 30%, you will always regret it.
just my pov.
oah
now.... i know why all these gals won't do furreners!!!
it's you oah..... you're the one who been sweet talkin' them, that you'll be nice and humorous and gentle, convincing 'em that you ain't big.... and then ram-rodding 'em. you!!! i shudda known better!!
no wonder they rep001ter when i walk in a bbs with you!!
hell - i still remember the look of absolute terror on that one gal.... and then her running and screaming straight into the john... and refusing to come out until the momma told her that "no, no, no, the laowai won't take you. come out!!"
oah, oah, oah!!!
seaj
Worldguy72
08-06-09, 20:08
Hey Dave,
Is there anyway I can get a hold of you?
I'm travelling there in Sept and need some guidance.
Overall, a great evening, a nice change to the routine/mundane of p...y hunting BUT back on the hunt again tonight at the Manhattan, Fu Hao on Friday, Penninsula on Saturday. You know, it's a tough job...but somebody got to do it. Don't be shy to let us know next time you are in town so you can join in on all the fun and games in CP.
BSD
You also have to consider the average size of these girls is small, hence smaller 'parts'. You might not be big for a foreign girl, but might be for a Chinese girl. This is not universally applied as some small girls can accomodate and tall cannot, but usually the taller the girl the better accomodation. Also the longer in the game, but does that really need to be said? I had one girl last time that kept coming back despite the small pain, she even brought her friend as a substitute to get some time off and apologized but was eager to recoup and go again.
(SEAJ - your superbody BBS small girl with the tight muscles and perfect breasts was an exception. i got two thumbs up from her too..hehe)
the opening-cervix distance can be as short as 8cm (typical 8-12 cm), meaning over that and you are poking their cervix and posterior wall hard which will likely lead to what they will call stomach pain. giving pain ain't my game so i just change the plan.
also i'm sure stories get passed around (even if it was the 5' tall girl) and would you take a job that would put you out of work for a day? the western pornos certainly don't help, and it is not all that different from stories of black size stateside.
although it is always alot tougher when SEAJ is holding his hand around his forearm describing your size. ...heheh
Happy Belated Birthday Joe. sorry i missed the events, couldn't work it into the schedule given i just left there 2 weeks earlier.
i'll come and celebrate with you and we'll all go to CA next trip...to mix it up.
Count urself luck that he was holding is arm around ur forearm !!! If it was ur foreskin that would freak the little gals totally out !!!
You also have to consider the average size of these girls is small, hence smaller 'parts'. You might not be big for a foreign girl, but might be for a Chinese girl. This is not universally applied as some small girls can accomodate and tall cannot, but usually the taller the girl the better accomodation. Also the longer in the game, but does that really need to be said? I had one girl last time that kept coming back despite the small pain, she even brought her friend as a substitute to get some time off and apologized but was eager to recoup and go again.
(SEAJ - your superbody BBS small girl with the tight muscles and perfect breasts was an exception. i got two thumbs up from her too..hehe)
the opening-cervix distance can be as short as 8cm (typical 8-12 cm), meaning over that and you are poking their cervix and posterior wall hard which will likely lead to what they will call stomach pain. giving pain ain't my game so i just change the plan.
also i'm sure stories get passed around (even if it was the 5' tall girl) and would you take a job that would put you out of work for a day? the western pornos certainly don't help, and it is not all that different from stories of black size stateside.
although it is always alot tougher when SEAJ is holding his hand around his forearm describing your size. ...heheh
Happy Belated Birthday Joe. sorry i missed the events, couldn't work it into the schedule given i just left there 2 weeks earlier.
i'll come and celebrate with you and we'll all go to CA next trip...to mix it up.
Thanks guys ! Just not been my year so far ...... Anyway, ONWARDS
Gr8 reading the posts and its been eating away at me since even a dumb ass like me knew this was gonna be the party of parties !!! Congrats SE Asia Joe. 3 gals high 5's - you do got style :)
Yeah Wapec- not too late to change your mind！！
The proceedings already started with a big party at Manhattan tonight - a dozen of us getting all drunk and silly！！And definitely no crackdown - thank God！And the quality and selection is really great as there is so much fewer mongers around as they're all worried about the crackdown - which is not HAPPENIN'!!
seaj
In my opinion, the biggest problem with the all those KTV, kinky massage and back alley supermarkets are that many chics and mama sans do not like foreigners much.Gomer,
Sorry to hear dude, at least your not in Seoul, Korea where the only action you'll get is on hooker hill in Itaewon unless you know a K-buddy.
Thanks guys ! Getting on the train is the easy part. Leaving to return b4 the party starts would be heart breaking. Just not been my year so far ...... Anyway, ONWARDS
Gr8 reading the posts and its been eating away at me since even a dumb ass like me knew this was gonna be the party of parties !!! Congrats SE Asia Joe. 3 gals high 5's - you do got style :)
Wapec,
Why don't you make some excuse and get on the train? I almost never go to CP on the weekends but would not miss this one for the world. You can also use the opportunity to kiss and make up with SEAJ after he left you stranded in the middle of the road in front of the train station, half dressed trying to catch a train he was not even on.
Just my POV.
OAH
CP can be montonous and at times seem too routine when you wake up in the morning and have breakfast, do some work, run a couple errands, lunch with a couple ISG brothers or with our gals, an afternoon chicken run, take a snooze or get online, then off to that night's KTV in town, party all night, a midnight snack, sleep and start all over again the next day....It was no holds bar, a big change to the routine KTV activities we are so used to in CP.
BSDI. Am. So. Jealous.
How does saying go? Surrounded by water and nothing to drink? Can I officially say that work sucks?
We may want to take this dialogue to the designated thread for this subject but I will post my thoughts here anyway.
As a laowai, gaijin, farang, etc. We must face the fact that we will experience a certain amount of rejection all over Asia.
China is not as bad as other countries such as Japan and Korea. Case in point is my recent visit to Tobita in Osaka where I got less than a 10% acceptance rate. Most Japanese clubs, soaps, pink salons, etc. Are "Japanese Only". In Korea RLDs (Yongsan, 555, Miari), only the B and C rows (lower quality) accept white guys. The top MPs and nightclubs in Thailand do not accept farang. Many of the WGs in Bangkok go-go bars now only want to go with Japanese customers. As And, the list goes on.
IMHO, China has come a long way. I can remember the time when you were lucky to find 1-2 girls out of 100s in a KTV that would even consider doing a laowai. They were always fat, ugly or both and had no other choice. And, many BBS were completely off limits.
Many of the reasons why have been posted already but I will elaborate my POV:
1) The best looking girls reject foreigners because they do not need the business. There are enough local and overseas Chinese punters chasing them.
2) The stigma of going with foreigners makes them less saleable to local punters. Many BBS I visit ask me to make my selection quickly in order to avoid local customers seeing me in the BBS thus affecting their business. A couple of months ago, one BBS girl in CP was willing to go with me ST at my hotel but refused when I invited her to dinner first. She may have not wanted to be seen with a foreigner in public.
3) The fear of size, pain and performance (from the porn movies and sharing war stories with other girls) plays a role. It is a business proposition and they are looking for "less pain, more gain". I often let a girl take a look and feel of my xiao didi. A little sweet talking reassurance can often alleviate the fear too. Once you become better known to the girls and the mommys, it gets easier.
4) I do not think the language, age and looks are a big factor as long as you can pay the price unless you are really ugly.
5) Most of the time, they just say they are afraid of foreigners straight up. Sometimes they will use the price to discourage you quoting a ridiculous price that they know you will not accept. If you do accept, most will bite the bullet and do the deed using the crazy money to justify it and looking at you as a fool to pay it.
I reckon the current average rejection rate in China is up to 30% depending on the area, the venue, the timing, etc. I just take it in stride and move on. 70% is plenty. If you insist in the 30%, you will always regret it.
Just my POV.
OAHWow, I am impressed with your knowledge in this subject. I have been to Korea with my friends. I do agree that Korean chics discrminate for non-Koreans even more so than Chinese. That is one reason why I moved my playground to China hoping that China chics will be more open minded. Well, I can not say it is too much better than Korean chics. Problem with CP was that I always wanted to bang the 30% of the chics that you are referring to. Thay seem to be the good looking ones. Well, it is a time to look for new playground for me, I guess.
kind of strange your first post on 08-01-09 at 13:40 just 4 day before this, it was a different story. it's a story where you picked up a few girls and one time your laptop was stolen. for your first post, you didn't mention about not being rejected. the post said you had a great time and been to cp a couple of times.
just to let you know even if you are chinese or asian, there is still a possibility of getting rejected. even if the girl goes reluctantly with a chinese or asian guy, she still might be a dead fish or give you bad service. it is not 100% for chinese or asian guys.
yes, the rejection rate is higher for foreigners. it is a combination of language, size, age and looks. you said you had a few chinese girl friends in the states,why. i think you had answered your questions in your first post.
if you go to japan, the rejection rate by girls is even worse. many places there even have signs saying foreigners are not welcome. most guys don't go to japan because it so expensive doing anything there. because it so expensive, girls exposure to foreigners is even less than china and their rejection is much much higher.
nevertheless, if you look like a blt the girls will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you in china or japan.
a blt, is brad pitt, leo dicaprio and tom cruse.of course, i did notget turned down all the time. that chic from hui hua was perhaps the best i had in cp ever. that is why i was willing to give my laptop as a gift. but, success rate was very minimal. my problem is i always like chics that somewhat look innocent and cute. do not like professional hooker type. that perhaps increases my failure rate.
SE Asia Joe
08-08-09, 06:00
Hey Dave,
Is there anyway I can get a hold of you?
I'm travelling there in Sept and need some guidance.
BEST.... aboslutely BEST - way is for you to pay up your subscription to ISG, and then use ISG's private messaging service (PMS) to write to BSD.
SEAJ
Turtlehead
08-08-09, 10:24
I've been hearing a number of reports from friends about thugs in Dongguan, Guys being approached, beaten, or harassed. Sounds rather serious as one guy had to go to the hospital.
I think the street where Clipper, Manhattan, and Swan Lake are more dangerous these days. I tend to hang out on the main street where Lion Hotel and Hwai Hwa is. Had two incidents in 10 years. One guy was high at a tea cafe and started staring down people and throwing chairs. Another time I was given a dirty look down an alley. I just kept walking and nothing happened.
Makes me think that I now need to get some thugs that I can called should I run into a situation like this. I have been in DG long enough to ask around for a source of protection like this.
Looks like there are more people desperate on the streets these days. They don't seem to know that they are biting the hand that feeds them.
Keep on the big streets, walk with you big over your head and away from the street side, stay low, stay in mongering packs.
Oh, what dangers we face just to get laid! Who caused this deep desire for pussy in the human condition. It's the best blessing and the greatest curse.
Of course, I did notget turned down all the time. That chic from Hui Hua was perhaps the best I had in CP ever. That is why I was willing to give my laptop as a gift. BUt, success rate was very minimal. My problem is I always like chics that somewhat look innocent and cute. Do not like professional hooker type. That perhaps increases my failure rate.Gomer1023,
I am also a middle age foreigner from the USA. I share some of your feelings. I know that a middle age foreigner walking besides a pretty, young, sexy girl must look like. Everyone knows she is a *****. This is why alot of girls shy away from white men. Believe me, I get these vibes from the chicks. They will say that they are tired, not feeling well, not hungry, etc. Just to avoid being seen in public with you. Mind you, I am not ugly or fat. I am in good shape with a full head of hair.
At least with an older asian man, there is the assumption that he is her father, uncle, friend, relative, teacher, etc. There is no loss of face.
The Chinese places alot of energy into saving "face". I understand this, so I usually visit BBS chick for a short term encounter. This I find is best. No stares, no lies, saves money, saves face for the girl, etc.
Let's face it, when a lot older white man is trying to romance a girl just old enough to be his daughter, what is the people suppose to think?
Sarg2009
Big Swingin Dave
08-08-09, 19:43
The new 5 STARs Eurasia International Hotel will be opening on September 15, 2009. The hotel is near the Changping Main Hospital which is less than 10 minutes from the main strip. The hotel offers full service including KTV and Sauna. Click on this link for more information. http://www.dgeahotel.com/cn/introduce.aspx#
There are 3 more hotels/KTVs opening by the end of the year. Looks like business will continue to be good in CP.
BSD
Fast Eddie 48
08-09-09, 00:20
[QUOTE=Big Swingin Dave]The new 5 STARs Eurasia International Hotel will be opening on September 15, 2009. The hotel is near the Changping Main Hospital which is less than 10 minutes from the main strip. The hotel offers full service including KTV and Sauna. Click on this link for more information. http://www.dgeahotel.com/cn/introduce.aspx#
There are 3 more hotels/KTVs opening by the end of the year. Looks like business will continue to be good in CP.
BSD,
I think you mean hotel business will continue to be tough in CP, I don't understand how they can all survive ,most hotel is only half full during the week .
Fast eddie 48
I think the street where Clipper, Manhattan, and Swan Lake are more dangerous these days. Another time I was given a dirty look down an alley. I just kept walking and nothing happened.
.
Thanks for the heads up.
This makes Jia Yi and Mayflower less favorable as KTV destinations while staying at that strip. It's just a short walk to Manhattan, SWL hotel, etc. but when you're semi-drunk or walking with a girl, it can be a bit of a risk. Such a short walk, yet so much could happen. So we're at the mercy of the ricket peddlers (outrageous fee of 10 rmb), private cars (outrageous fee of 15 to 20 rmb), or the few taxis who may even demand 10 rmb for a short ride of a few yards.
OldAsiaHand
08-09-09, 04:26
Gomer1023,
The Chinese places alot of energy into saving "face". I understand this, so I usually visit BBS chick for a short term encounter. This I find is best. No stares, no lies, saves money, saves face for the girl, etc.
Sarg2009
Sarg2009,
I operate the same way. IMHO, there are very few girls that want to spend LT with a white guy.
OAH
Yellow Flower
08-09-09, 09:10
Hi,
Anyone that have some information to share regarding, Aristocrat club/Century east hotel?
I've passed by the Rainbow shopping in Dongcheng a few times, and the in-house Aristocrat club/Century east hotel. Many times i've seen pretty girl, fairly dressed up, walking into side-entrances.
I'm curious what kind of place it is.
Appreciate ur help.
cheers,
/yf
First off, I'd like to give congrats one more time to SEAJoe and thanks for allowing me to take part in his festivities. Special props to Jettsetter who is my CP shifu and always shows me a good time when I roll with him. Also, many thanks to BSD for hooking everything up for this trip.
Where to start? I will just be posting my thoughts and opinions about my trip since BSD covered a lot of the juicy details already.
Mayflower. Boy I was really looking forward to this after hearing about all the girls lined up on flower street and how its even better than JY. Good news first, there are as many girls as advertised. Bad news, seems to be just as many dudes trolling around. Went there for SEAJoe's bash and it was a zoo! There were so many dudes I had to push my way through. I usually like to take a stroll through one time and keep in mind some hotties I had my eye on. Then come around the 2nd time to choose who I actually want to take. Well we went on a Saturday and by the time I came around the 2nd time, many of the hotties were already gone. Came back on Monday and it was much better. Not as many girls but not as many guys. Still enough of a selection to make most happy. My advice is to stay away from Friday and Saturday unless you just want to experience what its like to see that many hotties congregated in one spot. All in all, I really did not think it was any bigger or better than JY.
PP is a KTV that BSD hooked us up with. I don't think its a major player and the quality of the girls was about average. But it is relatively low cost to party and management was very accomodating to all of our requests.
New Century Flower in Chang An is a naked KTV. BSD already posted all of the juicy details. I really had a great time at this joint. IMHO, the quality of the girls are pretty similar to what you would find in CP. What I really liked about this place is how the mommies told all of the girls to essentially "do whatever we want." My "wow" moment came when I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I came out and all found our crew and all of the girls topless and dancing around! Needless to say I jumped right in and had a great time! I eventually took my companion for an ST and had to pay an extra 100 RMB for use of the room. Its kinda in the basement so don't except any 5 star accomodations. Again the mommie reminded my companion to do "whatever I wanted." Well. I got what I wanted. I would highly recommend heading out to Chang An for something different on your trip. You have to pay extra cab fare to get there and you have to pay extra cab fare to take your girl back if you want LT. But the experience is well worth it.
Plutocrat is a place I had not been to before. Its also a naked KTV. What I love about this place is that right when we got out of the taxi we could already see the line up of girls inside the big hall. This joint certainly does not have the number of girls that Mayflower does but I enjoyed the line up more. There were plenty of hotties to go around and I was able to make a few rounds before I picked 2 hotties for the night. Just remember that the gold colored tag means that the girls will go topless. I completely forgot this as I was stunnned by a little hottie with huge knockers. Imagine my disappointment when I got back to the room and found out she would not strip. That was okay as I was planning on playing around with those all night anyway. But she turned out to be kinda biatchy so I eventually paid my 200 penalty and turned my attention to my other choice. The topless dance was awesome but what was up with SEAJoe getting buck naked even before the topless dance?
I had an awesome trip partying with all of the above mentioned guys and as well as Racetrack, Pleasure Dude, and ppp Traveler. Hopefully we can do this again sometime.
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ManonsanBoy
08-09-09, 14:27
Was in Tangxia last night. Checked into Golden Lake and rang mamasan. 20 mins later, girl turns up with escort. Girls was aghast when she saw me; I am 185 cm tall, broad shoulders but am Chinese. She was around 145 cm but looked 19. She asked escort to call mamasan to "liberate" her. I said she can go; no hard feelings.
Rang another mamasan and had delivery. GFE. On her ways with 180 RMB.
As I was preparing for bed (sleeping), there was a soft knock on the door and the first girl was there. She asked to come in. Mamasan rang and apologised. Said she was "mein fei". [I am a long standing customer]. Girl said she has been told to come back or get the sack. It was her first day on the job.
I told her to have a shower. She did and climbed into bed and curled up into fetal position. I fell asleep. This morning, she was still there. She asked whether she can go. I gave her 100 RMB. I guess I paid that to sleep with her.
Pleasure Dude
08-09-09, 15:20
Just finished one and half week of vacationing in CP and had a wonderful time with the whole gang (Jetsetter, Race Track, SEAJ, OAH, BSDave and many other new faces). I want to thank everyone for the great company and to BSDave for his hospitality. If you are new in town, definitely drop him a line. You will not go wrong with his assistance.
Visited Manhattan, Mayflowers, Fuhou, Peninsula, and Hui Hua KTV. The selection of girls at all ktvs is excellent as usual so you will never go home empty handed. Sadly, I found the girl of my dream who I would spend the entire trip with at Penn KTV on my last night in town. I had a great time with her back at her apartment. I wish I could spend a few more days in town but there are just no more seats available heading home. Oh well, maybe next time.
Cheers,
PD
SE Asia Joe
08-09-09, 16:09
Hi,
Anyone that have some information to share regarding, Aristocrat club/Century east hotel?
I've passed by the Rainbow shopping in Dongcheng a few times, and the in-house Aristocrat club/Century east hotel. Many times i've seen pretty girl, fairly dressed up, walking into side-entrances.
I'm curious what kind of place it is.
Appreciate ur help.
cheers,
/yf
How about this - why don't you just go in and find out what it's all about AND report back to us!!!
Just a word of suggestion - not really a good idea to post your first post just asking questions - who knows who you are and what you are up to i.e LE?? Competitors trying to get info?? Serial antagonist??
Posting posts about YOUR experiences and knowledge about where you are is the best way to establish to first your bonafides IMHO
Paix and salutations
SEAJ
Jettsetter
08-09-09, 16:30
On my last two nights in CP... so sad... what to do for my last night???!!!
found a spinner from Pen... had a double last night .. where both Pen girls agreed to go home... man.. what an experience.. have to raise the bar every time...
Be back on Sept. 1... hope other ISGers can join in!!
-Jettsetter...
Turtlehead
08-09-09, 21:18
Last night I arrived back from a business trip at about 10pm at Shenzhen airport. Decided to head to DG. Called Lion Hotel on a Saturday at 10pm to see if they have a room. Yes they do. In fact, they had at least 2 rooms available. This is on a Saturday night at 10pm! Is business bad or was it the typhoon in Hong Kong? The current cheap room rate at Lion is only $172 per night. They lowered the rate about 2 months ago. Not the best room in DG, but starting to be good value again.
Can business be maintained with all the hotels and sauna opening up. Looks like its going to be a buyers market for awhile.
Lion Hotel naughty sauna is starting to look bad. Not many good looking girls like before. Don't know what the problem is. I think there is some kind of recruitment problem or they are getting competition for the hot girls. I'm getting more and more disappointed every time I go there.
Anyway, can anyone recommend any hotel saunas? The naughty kind. I like tall and athletic girls. Boob is not as important. I'm a leg man.
Bigboobman007
08-10-09, 02:57
Anyway, can anyone recommend any hotel saunas? The naughty kind. I like tall and athletic girls. Boob is not as important. I'm a leg man.Here's a little suggestion. If you come so late and ready to have 1 bonk before spending the night and sauna is an option, then stick around the main stretch where huihua, miraton, virgin and huimei are. All of them have sauna and you should be able to find your type. Leggy gals. Not that I pay too much attention on them. What I would do is to scout around the saunas (each one would take about 20 minutes to see all the gals available), take down the tag number of the gals and call back the PR to book the gal that you want. By the time you finished scouting and chose your gal for the night, it's already 11:30, and by this time you can use the room for overnight. I stayed in all of the above mentioned places overnight before and they rooms are comfortable only that the bed is harder than normal (for obvious reason). It's great because you save on the hotel fee and you get to sleep right after you finish your session.
SE Asia Joe
08-10-09, 04:25
Last night I arrived back from a business trip at about 10pm at Shenzhen airport. Decided to head to DG. Called Lion Hotel on a Saturday at 10pm to see if they have a room. Yes they do. In fact, they had at least 2 rooms available. This is on a Saturday night at 10pm! Is business bad or was it the typhoon in Hong Kong? The current cheap room rate at Lion is only $172 per night. They lowered the rate about 2 months ago. Not the best room in DG, but starting to be good value again.
Can business be maintained with all the hotels and sauna opening up. Looks like its going to be a buyers market for awhile.
Lion Hotel naughty sauna is starting to look bad. Not many good looking girls like before. Don't know what the problem is. I think there is some kind of recruitment problem or they are getting competition for the hot girls. I'm getting more and more disappointed every time I go there.
Anyway, can anyone recommend any hotel saunas? The naughty kind. I like tall and athletic girls. Boob is not as important. I'm a leg man.
Try 308 at the Clipper - which by the way is now being run quite well by new management. Our buddy BSDave's got the digits for the manager who can arrange.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
08-10-09, 04:28
Last night I arrived back from a business trip at about 10pm at Shenzhen airport. Decided to head to DG. Called Lion Hotel on a Saturday at 10pm to see if they have a room. Yes they do. In fact, they had at least 2 rooms available. This is on a Saturday night at 10pm! Is business bad or was it the typhoon in Hong Kong? The current cheap room rate at Lion is only $172 per night. They lowered the rate about 2 months ago. Not the best room in DG, but starting to be good value again.
Can business be maintained with all the hotels and sauna opening up. Looks like its going to be a buyers market for awhile.
Lion Hotel naughty sauna is starting to look bad. Not many good looking girls like before. Don't know what the problem is. I think there is some kind of recruitment problem or they are getting competition for the hot girls. I'm getting more and more disappointed every time I go there.
Anyway, can anyone recommend any hotel saunas? The naughty kind. I like tall and athletic girls. Boob is not as important. I'm a leg man.Turtle,
Lion is a old hotel was remodel 4 yr ago ,I first stay there back in 1999 the room was 255 rmb then but there much less hotel in CP in those days ,there ktv is the biggest back then ,there are many hotel sauna in cp my favorite are new century and the virgin hotel sauna.
Fast eddie 48
Look like I missed all the fun. Have plenty of time to read all these wonderful reports. Wish I was there. Anyway will be there this week. I believe there are still plenty left but after SEAJ and friends, the girls might need to rest. See you BSD.
Hungry
SE Asia Joe
08-10-09, 06:23
Look like I missed all the fun. Have plenty of time to read all these wonderful reports. Wish I was there. Anyway will be there this week. I believe there are still plenty left but after SEAJ and friends, the girls might need to rest. See you BSD.
Hungry
Don't you worry!!! There's plenty of gals.... all waiting your manly presence (is manly spelled that way or $$$$?)
Had a double banger last night, but this time - seein' as I've been sorely disappointed many a times in China with double bangers, but very well satisfied by the "proceedings" directed by my best BBBJ gal for my birthday present last week - decided that the smart way was for me to have the same gal to arrange things for me. Not a bad decision at all as she chose a friend of hers - who she had double tagged with before - and we were away to the races!!
Ahhhh.... the little joys of life!!!
SEAJ
Bigboobman007
08-10-09, 07:08
I. Am. So. Jealous.
How does saying go? Surrounded by water and nothing to drink? Can I officially say that work sucks?I feel you bro. BSD is such a teaser. And man, he gotta mention those girls with big tits and small waist. I hate you BSD. Just kidding. CA is truly THE place for me. My upcoming trip would be tentatively on the 16th for about 1 week. Anybody wanna party in naked ktv? Did I mention that sunday is the best day for sauna in CA. The girls would still come to work as usual, unlike good looking ktv girls who usually go MIA on sunday thru wed, but there are far less mongers around.
Jetsetter,
I so want to bring you to sauna in CA where we can select big boob gals together and switch em in the middle of the session. I havent come across anybody who have similar taste of girls as me. Too bad I cant be there when u are around. Keep in touch for next round.
SEAJ,
Happy belated b-day. Many more wonderful mongering days ahead. Sorry couldnt be there. Really wanted to, but you know, I couldnt make excuse to go so soon after the last trip. Lovely cake by the way.
Will be in CP on the weekend starting the 21st of August. If anyone is up for joining myself and another Australian guy (and maybe a local) for some KTV fun then send me a PM. The more the merrier
Big Swingin Dave
08-10-09, 11:12
Look like I missed all the fun. Have plenty of time to read all these wonderful reports. Wish I was there. Anyway will be there this week. I believe there are still plenty left but after SEAJ and friends, the girls might need to rest. See you BSD.
Hungry
I hope you bring your "apetite" Hungry as CP is waiting for you. Many girls are waiting to be feed. Oh by the way, you will be the guinea pig for the ISG brothers as I found a new place to venture to when you get here. Will report to the board after we party there. Call me as soon as you cross the border.
BSD
Anyway, can anyone recommend any hotel saunas? The naughty kind. I like tall and athletic girls. Boob is not as important. I'm a leg man.
Stayed at HuiHua and Penn saunas before and both are acceptable (HH is better/cleaner) but that is a good suggestion. Essentially over a room and sauna visit it is like getting the girl free.
For leggy/tall girls you will often pay more (400/500) vs. 300 because of their height. HH has alot, as does the Miraton (see Simon tell him what you want), Virgin has some but they often get sold out, Penn had decent selection last visit as well. don't know the clipper but BSDave can probably arrange something for you there, and i'm sure the rooms are okay the hotel rooms are nice.
Can't locate any maps of CP for references for any locations everyone talks about. My question is the distances involved between the mongering venues: bbs,sauna and watering hole etc.
for ex: from hui mei bbs to yalan bbs , walter (catacom. places), lotus bars, nite market.
Reason need distance so I know if I didn't like what I see in one area if it's walking distance to another site (assuming its during day as some have suggested best to taxi everywhere at nite).
or best if someone had a map of CP that can be downloaded or a website.
thanks
Shark
Pleasure Dude
08-11-09, 04:12
Both of the girls were extremely hot and have out of this world body. I am not sure if I can handle both of them together as skillful as you do. I had a great time hanging out with you and your buddies and we should definitely do this again in the future.
PD
On my last two nights in CP... so sad... what to do for my last night???!!!
found a spinner from Pen... had a double last night .. where both Pen girls agreed to go home... man.. what an experience.. have to raise the bar every time...
Be back on Sept. 1... hope other ISGers can join in!!
-Jettsetter...
Ppp Traveler
08-11-09, 05:01
GOD HELP ME! I couldn't sleep. Thoughts of my girls in CP ran through my head all night. The young one with the smooth skin and fuzzy, gray tiger hair (not really a white tiger, but not a panther either). The wild one who gave me an awesome BBBJ and let me COF while watching Japanese porn on my laptop. The cute DJ whom I started to pursue, but ran out of time in CP. Plus countless others who provided me with so much pleasure in the week I was there. So CP withdrawal symptoms have kept me up all night. It really is like a drug... maybe worse than cocaine or heroin for a horny womanizer like me.
Ahhhh --- let me remember the good times---
Friday - I checked into the Clipper Hotel, and a few of us ISG'ers went for a chicken run at the BBS's. I couldn't wait, so I took a girl at the first BBS we went to. 100 for the mommy, 100 for the girl, and my CP adventure was off to a fast start. We all went to the Manhattan KTV later (by the way, thanks to CP's resident guru, Big Swingin Dave, for coordinating this and other adventures). I got 2 girls again, and they actually got jealous of each other! I was so stoked, because last time, my 2 hot girls at the Peninsula KTV couldn't care less about me. Lesson #1 - choose 2 semi-good looking girls instead of 2 really hot models, and they will be more willing to fight like chickens for your attention. In fact, one of my girls (let's call her JJ) started crying when I kept hugging and kissing the other one! I knew she was a keeper, so we left early. Needless to say, we banged 3 times that night. It was so natural, and she was - dare I say? - really romantic.
Saturday - JJ took me to an amusement park in the morning, which was really fun. Bumper cars and monkey swings are the epitome of GFE. That night, we celebrated SEAJoe's great birthday at the Mayflower KTV, which you can read all about in previous reports. I got another GFE from a cute girl named XL. I really liked her personality. However, she's a real pro (she's been a KTV girl for more than a year now), so I think part of her personality is fake, geared towards making me like her. I spent the night with her, with average sex, and she left early at 5:00 AM! Her excuse was that she had to "go to Shenzhen" early in the morning. I didn't care, but if anybody does care about a girl leaving early without telling you beforehand, then you can A) threaten to pay her less, or 2) threaten to complain to the girl's management. Lesson #2: I gave her 800 RMB for the overnight, but she claimed that she was a 3-6-10 girl. I said, "you never told me this, and besides, BSD did all the arrangements, so let me ask him. If we go back to the Mayflower and find out that you are indeed a 3-6-10 girl, then I promise that I will pay you the difference." She had no choice but to believe me. I gave her my number so she could call me the next day to meet her at the KTV. Not surprisingly, she never called. So guys, make sure you know the girl's price before you play, because if she noticed that you didn't ask, she might try to rip you off by asking for a higher price!
Sunday - I was gonna leave today, but decided to extend my stay because I was loving CP too much. We went to the PP KTV with a few ISG'ers. BSD surprised me by saying, "PPP, today, you are gonna choose a DJ for us." So I chose the cutest one I could find, who was really my type. BSD planned to help me hit on this girl long-term. Jettsetter even started making bets about whether I could bang her before he left CP. One guy gave me 10-to-1 odds - he had no faith in my skills! Well, I failed as I didn't have enough time to court her, and I gave up after her first refusal to go to dinner with me. I also chose another girl named XD. At first, she claimed to be 19, but after we bugged her some more about her age, she admitted to being younger. I won't say how much younger, but we were quite surprised. Anyway, this girl turned out to be my favorite girl in CP. She was a total sweetheart, and was so natural to me. She was new to the business, so she was fresh, honest, and sincere. I took her home for overnight, and the sex was just amazing. We did it twice. She was a gray tiger as mentioned above, and her skin was the best I've found since Macau. She made me feel like a teenager again!
Monday - I needed a rest day, so no KTV. JJ called me at dinnertime, so I invited her over for dinner and a quickie. So we did it while watching a Japanese porn movie, and I COF. Later on, we went rollerskating and saw a local acrobat show. Like I said, a real GFE.
Tuesday - We went to a Chang An naked KTV. This was the funnest KTV I've ever been to, mainly because of strip dice, dance orgy, and double HJ. You can read all about it in my previous post. I got a girl to come back to CP and spend the night with me. This girl kept calling and texting me for the next 3 days... after spending a night with her, I realized that I didn't like her as much as I first thought, so I let her go.
Wednesday - I had dinner at the Hui Hua with 6 ISG guys and our dates. Thanks to Jettsetter for this great idea. You can read about this in BSD's previous post. My date was XD, and I spent another wonderful night with her.
Thursday - I took XD to breakfast and then bought her a stuffed teddy bear in sincere appreciation for her excellent service, and also as a souvenir to remember her big daddy PPP for all eternity. I took the rest of the day off to relax.
Friday - Lunch with BSD, Jettsetter, and LA Dude, and then left for Guangzhou.
Now, how can I ever forget these amazing 6 days in CP?? I don't think I've ever seen a higher concentration of young, cute Asian girls walking down the streets as I did on Swan Lake Road at 6:00 PM. Can they NOT wear those short shorts to tease poor, unsuspecting me?? I am already planning a comeback trip for September or October! Please, someone give me an antidote for this drug. Take me to MA (Mongerers Anonymous). Enroll me into an intervention program. Rehab is the only way. Maybe mindless video games will help. World of Warcraft, here I come...
If any of you want more info on these places, just contact BSD (I got a subscription to ISG to contact its members, as well as to thank ISG for all the great info its provided me). Again, I want to thank BSD for showing me the delights of CP, coordinating events, and taking the stress out of planning. I didn't realize how helpful a local guide could be, since it's my first time meeting one. Now I'm tempted to find local guides in every city I go to! They provide such a valuable service to newbies like me. They know all the good places, and have developed relationships with some managers, WG's, and establishments, which increases safety and decreases cost. In fact, the Clipper sauna manager told BSD about a group of new assistant managers (not sauna girls!) who wanted to pay their "deposit fee" by banging a customer. So we got first pickings of these fresh apples. Also, BSD coordinated all the mongerers so we could party together, split the costs, and share the fun. He also gave me great advice on price, locations, services, and general info. One night, he said, "PPP, it's getting late. If you're thinking about taking a girl home, now is the time to touch her and test her to see how far she is willing to go". I used that as the green light to start molesting my girl like a beast. BSD acts professional, but in this short time, I have come to see him as a friend. I hope to see you again in the future, BSD. And be prepared - I will try to bring my Taiwanese hornball friends next time :-)
Stay safe and have fun,
PPP
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SE Asia Joe
08-11-09, 05:26
Both of the girls were extremely hot and have out of this world body. I am not sure if I can handle both of them together as skillful as you do. I had a great time hanging out with you and your buddies and we should definitely do this again in the future.
PD
Damn..... why did I decide to go MIA that night?
BSD told me that there were 3 separate KTV sessions to go - and had instead decided NOT to go to any of them as I didn't think it a good idea to go to one and miss out the other 2.
Had to settle for my own double header instead and flew solo.
But.... upon reflection.... I should have broght my 2 with me and joined you guys. Oh well..... many more nights....
So... see you guys - always a pleasure to party with you party animals.
SEAJ
Pleasure Dude
08-11-09, 05:38
Hey Joe,
You are the true party animal in CP and I don't think anyone even comes close. I will never have the guts to approach a girl the way you do at KTV. It has been fun watching you mingling with all the girls in the room. See you next trip.
PD
Damn..... why did I decide to go MIA that night?
BSD told me that there were 3 separate KTV sessions to go - and had instead decided NOT to go to any of them as I didn't think it a good idea to go to one and miss out the other 2.
Had to settle for my own double header instead and flew solo.
But.... upon reflection.... I should have broght my 2 with me and joined you guys. Oh well..... many more nights....
So... see you guys - always a pleasure to party with you party animals.
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
08-11-09, 06:09
Can't locate any maps of CP for references for any locations everyone talks about. My question is the distances involved between the mongering venues: bbs, sauna and watering hole etc.
For ex: from hui mei bbs to yalan bbs, walter (catacom. Places), lotus bars, nite market. Reason need distance so I know if I didn't like what I see in one area if it's walking distance to another site (assuming its during day as some have suggested best to taxi everywhere at nite).
Or best if someone had a map of CP that can be downloaded or a website.
Thanks
SharkSharka,
The only map that I know is a small area map of CP in the Dongguan map, it is all in Chinese, CP is only a small town I don't think you will find one in detail or in english.
Fast Eddie 48
Pointpanic
08-11-09, 06:18
While I have walked to many of these venues in broad daylight and even at night. It is not advisable for a newbie. Too dangerous at night and too hot and too long in the daytime.Yalan to Lotus bars and Swan Lake is walkable and that's about it. Take a taxi and negotiate 10 kuai before you get in by crossing your index fingers like an X in front of the driver's face. By metered on cabs it might be only 7, 8 or 9 kuai or you could get an unexpected tour around CP! Point Panic
Can't locate any maps of CP for references for any locations everyone talks about. My question is the distances involved between the mongering venues: bbs,sauna and watering hole etc.
for ex: from hui mei bbs to yalan bbs , walter (catacom. places), lotus bars, nite market.
Reason need distance so I know if I didn't like what I see in one area if it's walking distance to another site (assuming its during day as some have suggested best to taxi everywhere at nite).
or best if someone had a map of CP that can be downloaded or a website.
thanks
Shark
Jim Traveller
08-11-09, 07:05
Doubles play is a challenge.
This dreamy way of play has been attempted, practiced and failed by many brothers before me...will undoubtedly continue to be practiced by many eager souls....yet good doubles from a KTV is sooooo hard to come by...
My math is a little shaky now. I am prepared for 1+1 < 2, but usually 1+1 yields a sum less than 1.
Jetsetter, good for you! May the Force be with you! Having seen your pickings, and believing in great minds think alike, flattering myself in the process, I murmur: what a great pair of birds they must be, heavenly! Then I am overcome with envy - shit, pure, raw, unreasonable and uncontolled envy, thickened with lust.
I want some, too! Ha Ha.
Yes, I remember the shining examples of success. Many, many months ago I was a well-meaning soul, taking a brother, let's call him CLP, to CP for the first time. Young chap he is, full of youth an enthusiasm. First night, first stop, HH KTV.
He spoke bad, but passable Chinese. His eyes popped out when he saw the choices available to him. He picked a girl of his dreams. As soon as she sat down we realized that she spoke good English! He was in heaven. "Go find another one, just in case", I pass on a word of wisdom. Reluctantly and as if committing a mortal sin, he excused himself to his first angel and disappeared into the dark hallways of HH. 43 seconds later he came in with his second angel. The two girls looked at each other and exchanged a cry of delight - they were roommates. In months of professional career, fighting from guy to guy, it is the first time they got to fight side by side.
A kiss on both cheeks to our accidental hero who managed to bring their professional careers to one single juncture. The three of them spent the rest of the night pawing each other and swapping spit, right there in the KTV room. I turned to my own lady of night and said hopefully:" I want that too?" - blank stares is what I received in return.
The lucky chap looked at me and exclaim: "is CP always like this?" I shook my head:"Oh no, it is never like this. You found an English-speaking girl who digs you, and your second independent choice based on looks alone is her roommate, and they both dig you - all on your first night in CP? You lucky dog!"
Push his luck he did. When he proposed to take both birds home, they looked at each other, uttered simultaneously:" Really, you are not kidding?" Then they kissed him again in apparent delight. They sleep in the same bed every night anyways, now just another boy toy who pays them, why not!
Wow, really willing, co-operative doubles team, without compromising on looks, you...you lucky dog.
I did not get to videotape my young friend's late night festivities...but he did come back to CP again, again, and again.
Somewhere ages and ages hence, I shall be telling this with a sigh. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, (oh no, two birds emerged from a dark corridor), and I chose the one less traveled by (while he took both to travel with), and that has made all the difference.... Sorry, Robert Frost.
I resolved that I would ask my young friend one day....perhaps before we are both old and gray, in all his travels hence, did he find a better doubles KTV pair?
Onward I dream, a smile rising from another evening of mundane...
Cheers bro, have fun, but don't recruit the whole town...Save a little, for doubles play. He He He.
On my last two nights in CP... so sad... what to do for my last night???!!!
found a spinner from Pen... had a double last night .. where both Pen girls agreed to go home... man.. what an experience.. have to raise the bar every time...
Be back on Sept. 1... hope other ISGers can join in!!
-Jettsetter...
SE Asia Joe
08-11-09, 08:43
oubles play is a challenge.
This dreamy way of play has been attempted, practiced and failed by many brothers before me...will undoubtedly continue to be practiced by many eager souls....yet good doubles from a KTV is sooooo hard to come by...
My math is a little shaky now. I am prepared for 1+1 < 2, but usually 1+1 yields a sum less than 1.
Jetsetter, good for you! May the force be with you! Having seen your pickings, and believing in great minds think alike, flattering myself in the process, I murmur: what a great pair of birds they must be, heavenly! Then I am overcome with envy - shit, pure, raw, unreasonable and uncontolled envy, thickened with lust.
I want some, too! Ha Ha.
Yes, I remember the shining examples of success. Many, many months ago I was a well-meaning soul, taking a brother, let's call him CLP, to CP for the first time. Young chap he is, full of youth an enthusiasm. First night, first stop, HH KTV.
He spoke bad, but passable Chinese. His eyes popped out when the saw the choices. He picked a girl of his dreams. As soon as she sit down we realized that she spoke good English! He was in heaven. "Go find another one, just in case", I pass on a word of wisdom. Reluctantly and as if committing a mortal sin, he excused himself to his first angel and disappeared into the dark hallways of HH. 43 seconds later he came in with his second angel. The two girls looked at each other and exchanged a cry of delight - they are roommates. In months of professional career, fighting from guy to guy, it is the first time they get to fight side by side.
A kiss on both cheeks to our accidental hero who managed to bring their professional career to new heights. The three of them spent the rest of the night pawing each other and swapping spit, right there in the KTV room. I turned to my own lady of night and said:"I want that too" - blank stares is what I received in return.
The lucky chap looked at me and exclaim: "is CP always like this?" I shook my head:"Oh no, it is never like this. You found an English-speaking girl who digs you, and your send independent choice based on looks alone is her roommate, and they both dig you - all on your first night in CP? You lucky dog!"
Push his luck he did. When he proposed to take both birds home, they looked at each other, uttered simultaneously:" Really, you are not kidding?" Then they kissed him again in apparent delight. They sleep in the same bed every night anyways, now just another boy toy who pays them, why not!
Wow, really willing, co-operative doubles team, without compromising on looks, you...you lucky dog.
I did not get to videotape my young friend's late night festivities...but he did come back to CP again, and again.
Somewhere ages and ages hence, I shall be telling this with sigh. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, (oh no, two birds emerged from a dark corridor), and I chose the one less traveled by (while he took both to travel well), and that has made all the difference.... Sorry, Robert Frost.
I resolved that I would ask my young friend one day....perhaps before we are both old and gray, on all his travels hence, did he find a better doubles KTV pair?
Onward I dream, a smile rising from another evening of mundane...
Cheers bro, have fun, but don't recruit the whole town...Save a little, for doubles play. He He He.
Jeez.... why cain't I write such nice, almost poetic reports?? Oohhh..... to be able to express one as eloquently as you Jim - now that would be something else for me!
And I've seen the quality of your "specimens" - they ain't exactly "cover 'em with the pillow" types are they???!!! Beauty, beauty, beauty - that's your mantra ain't it??!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-11-09, 08:56
GOD HELP ME! I couldn't sleep. Sunday - I was gonna leave today, but decided to extend my stay because I was loving CP too much. We went to the PP KTV with a few ISG'ers. BSD surprised me by saying, "PPP, today, you are gonna choose a DJ for us." So I chose the cutest one I could find, who was really my type. BSD planned to help me hit on this girl long-term. Jettsetter even started making bets about whether I could bang her before he left CP. One guy gave me 10-to-1 odds - he had no faith in my skills! Well, I failed as I didn't have enough time to court her, and I gave up after her first refusal to go to dinner with me. .............
errrrrr..... LET ME remind you.
The bet as it was LAST negotiated was that you MUST do a catacombs gal - at our expense!! - if you fail. So, next time we see you - it's off to the catacombs young man!!
SEAJ
One guy gave me 10-to-1 odds - he had no faith in my skills! Well, I failed as I didn't have enough time to court her, and I gave up after her first refusal to go to dinner with me.
Don't give up. It usually takes me 5 tries to get a CP girl to go to dinner with me. Multiply that by 10 anywhere else...
OldAsiaHand
08-11-09, 15:34
errrrrr..... LET ME remind you.
The bet as it was LAST negotiated was that you MUST do a catacombs gal - at our expense!! - if you fail. So, next time we see you - it's off to the catacombs young man!!
SEAJ
I am a witness to the bet. You should have taken the 10-1 odds from me. The deadline was the 11th if I remember. You have another hour and a half according to my watch. I want to be there at the catacombs to see you settle the bet.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
08-11-09, 15:43
, walter (catacom. places),
Shark
Shark,
It is not advisable to walk through the catacombs alone. Especially at night.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
08-11-09, 17:16
Don't give up. It usually takes me 5 tries to get a CP girl to go to dinner with me. Multiply that by 10 anywhere else...
WHAT????!!!
What did we teach you??
Ask.... No, TELL her to do what you want her to do, and if she refuses, go to the next one.
Never ask more than once - life's too short and there's too many gals in CP.
Now..... if I can only practice what I preach.....
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-11-09, 17:20
Hey Joe,
You are the true party animal in CP and I don't think anyone even comes close. I will never have the guts to approach a girl the way you do at KTV. It has been fun watching you mingling with all the girls in the room. See you next trip.
PD
That...... is the advantage of age!
At my age, all the gals think I'm just a harmless old lecher and lets me get away with "stuff" that they wouldn't normally let good looking young guys like you get away with.
Yeah yeah yeah!!
SEAJ
Jim Traveller
08-11-09, 20:00
Bruce Dude:
You get this backwards. You don't ask them, they ask you. If they like you they'd ask you to see them again - sometimes under the banner of "book a room through me, I have a quota to fill". In fact they don't mind that much, the room booking means only rmb 100 for them, more or less. They should still be happy to see you. After exchanging a few text messages, you can turn on your charm. Ask BSD, the guy is always texting someone....often with a grin on his face....
DJs always want you to book a room through them, it means their surivival. Therefore beware of DJs eagerly offering you their cell number - they have to. It means little. I have known brothers having a thing for DJs. I would hasten to admit, some of them DJs are fine, fine specimans of God's creation... The best looking ones are at the Meriton KTV - or at least they were.
One brother from the other Board brought a group of his best friends to JY, where he had maintained carnal knowledge of a young DJ. It got a little expensive for all his friends, since the DJ had a quota to fill...drink and drink all of them did. So did the DJ, just to help the quota. Many Maos and many bottles later, it turned out the DJ got drunk, had to get another DJ to help cleaning up. She starts crying...not happy her temp boyfriend was holding another KTV girl in his arms.... messy.... What the fuck, what do you think guys come to KTV for? Here lies the ultimate challenge in "courting" DJs and Mommies, to get on their friendly side you begin by supporting their business, which means you mess with other girls in front of them. I don't know about you brothers, but I'd feel wierd about this if I were courting a woman.
Many, Many months ago a not-so-young brother met a angelic DJ at the New Century KTV... Well, relatively angelic - the pretty birds have obviously flown elsewhere in town, the brother couldn't find anyone to his liking, the DJ stood out in comparison.
The next day the brother received a text from the DJ, inviting him to book a room, continuing their friendly conversation. The brother was flattered on his good looks, wise conversation and classy demeanor.... Yet he held firm.
Brother:" I have no friends to go to KTV with tonight....I'd stay put, why don't you join me for dinner"
DJ:"I've got to work, or I get fined"
Brother:"Meet me after work, I'd take you out for dessert"
DJ:"I can't wait, I want you now... I am bored out of my mind!"
Brother:"The girls at your KTV are butt ugly, I don't want to go back there"
DJ:"who said anything about other girls, let's just get a small KTV room, just you and me:
Brother:"I already have a hotel room, just you and me... I'd order some food... candles, bubble bath and teary-eye movies can all be arranged, together with Chairman Maos... you game?"
DJ:"Enh.....ah...maybe next time...."
Lesson learned: no need to court anyone in CP, what do you want, for them to actually love you? What then?
A fool and his money are welcome everywhere on Wall Street... I remember a book starts with these words of widsom. A fool and his Chairman Maos are always welcome in CP.... Give them opportunity to ask you to dinner, if they don't bite, you move on.
Gosh, I like CP.. Don't pinch me, I am dreaming...
Don't give up. It usually takes me 5 tries to get a CP girl to go to dinner with me. Multiply that by 10 anywhere else...
Jim Traveller
08-11-09, 20:05
If I were a girl I'd do you too, Joe, but I would want 3-6-10! Haha.
That...... is the advantage of age!
At my age, all the gals think I'm just a harmless old lecher and lets me get away with "stuff" that they wouldn't normally let good looking young guys like you get away with.
Yeah yeah yeah!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-12-09, 05:34
If I were a girl I'd do you too, Joe, but I would want 3-6-10! Haha.
Harumph.... all these gals.... why do they all want MORE from me??
And now here you are, not even a gal yet - and YOU'RE already asking for more!!
Jeeeezzzz.....
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-12-09, 05:58
What do you all think about the "new" pricing at the Chuen Yu (ex-Swan Lake) located in front of the Manhattan Serviced Apartments (behind the Manhattan hotel.)
Suppossedly, the new BBS pricing is 200-600 (I/o 200-500) and the KTV pricing is now 2-4-7 (instead of 1-3-6 previously). BUT the gals are bare breasted the whole time they're sitting with you at the KTV room.
- As a BBS, would you guys go 600 O/N - whilst you can get 3 ST gals for the same price? 3 X 200 = 600. Even presuming that you would pop an overnight gal 3 times the time you are with her - wouldn't it be much better to pop 3 different gals?
- Anybody been there to do the KTV yet? Do they REALLY dare to be bare breasted the whole evening - what with all these crack-downs?
- Why would you pay 200 to have a BBS gal sit with you - even if she was bare breasted the whole evening (what, for everyone else to handle and grope? YOUR gooods?), while you pay the same price at other KTV's for a real KTV gal.
Me not sure.... but somehow I've got the feeling that somebody in management hasn't really done the math before coming up with all these new pricing.... especially in light of the reduced foot traffic to CP these day.
What say you guys?
What say you guys about boycotting their BBS RMB 600 O/N rates AND their KTV rooms until they relent and come back to the old/better pricing structure?
Just IMHO
SEAJ
What do you all think about the "new" pricing at the Chuen Yu (ex-Swan Lake) located in front of the Manhattan Serviced Apartments (behind the Manhattan hotel.)
Suppossedly, the new BBS pricing is 200-600 (I/o 200-500) and the KTV pricing is now 2-4-7 (instead of 1-3-6 previously). BUT the gals are bare breasted the whole time they're sitting with you at the KTV room.
SEAJ
I too suspect that these pricing policies are gonna shoot this outfit in the foot. No need to conciously boycott them, the Adam Smith's invisible hand will slap them. I don't think their new location will serve them well at all. They are not quite removed from the route of the chicken run. I think that alone will move them from first stop to last stop with BS shopppers. And the LT Pricing premium, will compound with geogrpahy to make this the bbs shop of last resort.
I think you are also correct about their 2-4-7 system for KTV bookings. I think psychological factors will doom this, besides the view I could simply pay 100 more for the real KTV girl. First, I think a lot of guys will make the comparison why should I pay 200 for just sitting this girl when I can fuck her for the same price? Also, I think a lot of the KTV premium that guys pay is for low mileage. I think part of the KTV price includes the idea your not getting sloppy 2nd, 3rd, or 4th's (of course that is just perception and possibly not accurate.) Are a lot of guys going to be turned off to paying the KTV like prices for a girl who has already been short times all afternoon?
I do think the all evening topless is a cool thing and will likely try it once, its success really depends upon how truly raunchy the action is in the KTV room. If the girls are just gonna sit there with the arms folded across their bare chests all night, that isn't going to cut it and guys will quickly grow bored and frustrated. However, if the girls are all about groping, dancing sexy, and making out, then the model should work well. Somehow I fear it will be more like the former scenario.
SE Asia Joe
08-12-09, 07:03
I too suspect that these pricing policies are gonna shoot this outfit in the foot. .
By the way - how was that hot number you took?
Did she actually deliver what she suggested by her body language to you - or was it another one of these usual Swan Lake Gal "promise everything, deliver not much" action?
SEAJ
Jettsetter
08-12-09, 09:59
Doubles play is a challenge.
This dreamy way of play has been attempted, practiced and failed by many brothers before me...will undoubtedly continue to be practiced by many eager souls....yet good doubles from a KTV is sooooo hard to come by...
My math is a little shaky now. I am prepared for 1+1 < 2, but usually 1+1 yields a sum less than 1.
Jetsetter, good for you! May the Force be with you! Having seen your pickings, and believing in great minds think alike, flattering myself in the process, I murmur: what a great pair of birds they must be, heavenly! Then I am overcome with envy - shit, pure, raw, unreasonable and uncontolled envy, thickened with lust.
Thanks for those words Jim... You are ultimately the ultimate most well spoken guy in CP!! :)
Well, what I do have to say is that my two double experiences in CP have been both a success. The first was the best ever, since the two were roommates, one was my "regular" gal - or one I had been seeing, but who I had always been honest with (i.e. I don't tell them I'm just there for them, but also don't make it obvious I'm with other gals). simply put, it was a don't ask don't tell policy.
Either way, she wasn't feeling all that "sexy" when I was out in May and she offered up her roomie, who I always thought was super sexy... (many of you mongers remember meeting Michelle... with those sexy eyes). Anyways, i had always flirted with her roomie, my regular knew this and she arranged a fun meeting with all three of us.
Well let's just say that this one was for the books, because with most double you have to deal with switching condoms, the girls not wanting to touch each other, but let's just say this was not an issue with these two girls since they were so familiar with each other... although not in a sexual way, I had one girl licking the other's tits... (i only say non sexual because they did it more of a joke like they were acting in a porn) and then would bust out laughing... so I had them stop because it broke my mood... I was going to be in a PORN not a comedy!!
Anyways, this second attempt was with two real good attitude girls. I had already gotten one to say yes and it seemed the second was even more sexually perverted than me... (I say this because she molested me in the shower when the other one went to dry off), and she was all for the double.
I think the challenge WAS getting them okay with the idea considering they didn't know each other... but that is what the chivas and beer that was left for the three of us to consume was to help out with...
After playing around iwth both of them, having a good time, and getting ready for bed, the approach worked out well with absolute BLACKNESS in the room. they had no problems kissing, and blowing individually, but one thing they did and absolutely tried to avoid is touching each other... should've tried to push that a bit more.. one was willing, but the other one seemed more apprehensive (should've gotten her more drunk)... oh well!
but either way, it was pretty exciting... they weren't weird about anything, but I couldn't do both at once like I had hoped... it was more do one while fingering the other and vice versa.... then banging one while licking the other's tits or something... all in pitch blackness... haha...
hey.. fun nonetheless...both had great attitudes and we ended the night watching horror flicks in the room... all naked and satisfied...
last night was mellow.. found another great attitude fun gal who treated me like her long lost boyfriend... exactly what I needed for my last night here...
I'll be back Sept. 1... anyone else going to be around...
be staying at the Clipper.. my preferred hotel for price and location... I usually stay at HH if i have friends in the area.. but absent other folks in the area, Clipper is the right place for me...
I also like their internet better...
happy mongering boys...
lots of great memories on this trip!
-J
Jettsetter
08-12-09, 10:04
What do you all think about the "new" pricing at the Chuen Yu (ex-Swan Lake) located in front of the Manhattan Serviced Apartments (behind the Manhattan hotel.)
Suppossedly, the new BBS pricing is 200-600 (I/o 200-500) and the KTV pricing is now 2-4-7 (instead of 1-3-6 previously). BUT the gals are bare breasted the whole time they're sitting with you at the KTV room.
- As a BBS, would you guys go 600 O/N - whilst you can get 3 ST gals for the same price? 3 X 200 = 600. Even presuming that you would pop an overnight gal 3 times the time you are with her - wouldn't it be much better to pop 3 different gals?
- Anybody been there to do the KTV yet? Do they REALLY dare to be bare breasted the whole evening - what with all these crack-downs?
- Why would you pay 200 to have a BBS gal sit with you - even if she was bare breasted the whole evening (what, for everyone else to handle and grope? YOUR gooods?), while you pay the same price at other KTV's for a real KTV gal.
Me not sure.... but somehow I've got the feeling that somebody in management hasn't really done the math before coming up with all these new pricing.... especially in light of the reduced foot traffic to CP these day.
What say you guys?
What say you guys about boycotting their BBS RMB 600 O/N rates AND their KTV rooms until they relent and come back to the old/better pricing structure?
Just IMHO
SEAJ
I really like the CA way of doing things... with the whole take the bra out and make the breasts available for sampling, but still keeping something to the imagination.
I have nothing against naked gals, but I like the progression that CA offers.. in other words, the teasing that comes along with just having no bras, and then playing and then taking them off later... by having them bare chested the whole time, it takes the fun out of it to a certain extent...
Ultimately what will dictate cost for me is going to be selection and fun of the gals... the gal can be naked but be a dead fish and I wouldn't want to pay the money.. .but give me fun gals who will go crazy at the room and get wild... and I'll pay more? but that's me..
I know plenty of guys who just want the hottest girls around... bitchy or not.. it's about the hotness... so i think it's hard to say... because not every place fits every guy...
But bring a little CA to CP would be pretty awesome.... I don't mind places like that paving the way and bringing in more OTHER places that can drive better competition...
the Whole 50 extra RMB at FH for the girls taking their tops off. I'm mixed about that...some girls are totally worth it ... others didn't do crap to earn their extra 50...
oh well... it's all hit or miss... always fun exploring!!
-J
Jettsetter
08-12-09, 10:06
I am a witness to the bet. You should have taken the 10-1 odds from me. The deadline was the 11th if I remember. You have another hour and a half according to my watch. I want to be there at the catacombs to see you settle the bet.
OAH
That's right, I remember the bet very clearly... so when are we planning the trip to the famous C's... that's where you earn your badge as a true monger... we'll give you three rights of refusals.. meaning that we'll pick out one, and you can refuse up to 3 times.. then the 4th, is a guaranteed hit...
don't worry, just wear 2 condoms...
-J
By the way - how was that hot number you took?
Did she actually deliver what she suggested by her body language to you - or was it another one of these usual Swan Lake Gal "promise everything, deliver not much" action?
SEAJ
She was a sweet and cuddly girl, who had a very good attitude. But unfortunately, her skills were severly deficient. BJ happily given, but was monotonous straight up and down bobbing with very very low pressure. Unfortunately, I couldn't communicate enough to coach her up. Not a starfish in the second half but clueless aout how to move in the make love portion of the event. Also, her body and face not good naked 5 out 10 on the CP grading scale (her boobs were decent added a point to that score.)
However, she was quite cheerful, unrushed and a bit GFE with her kisses and caresses. However, I was thinking I was unlikely to repeat or reccomend her and then she sealed the deal on that. After paying her the 100 and giving 10 or 20 small tip, she whined for a good two minutes about wanting another 50. I just smiled, chuckled, and kicked her ass out the door. I don't whine for an extra blow job or cumshot beyond the agreed deal, why should they whine for more than agreed to?
Turtlehead
08-12-09, 15:00
I believe in the free market. That's the best. No set pricing by mommy or KTV that think they know best. The girls set their own price. The mommy and KTV set their take from the girls. The clients pick based on what the price is being quoted. This would bring pricing to what it should be. When there is less demand the price goes down. When their is less supply, the price goes up. Girls that feel they need to raise or lower their price would benefit. Prices can be high early in the evening and low later in the evening. Super hot girls can set their prices way high. Dogs can still get clients that are on a budget and the gal would not have to walk around the KTV for hours hoping someone would pick them. Capitalism at it's best. Free market would also bring more super hot girls to DG as they can make a big killing quickly.
Some might think that this would leave all the hot girls to the guys with cash, but it's not true. Flexible pricing will bring more girls overall to the market and benefit all.
Buy one get one free!
ManonsanBoy
08-12-09, 22:08
I had a girl from a BBS about 6 months ago. She was new to it and was shall we say at best adequate. But she had a face and body to drool over, even in street clothes. I kept her ON and we chatted a bit.
Yesterday, I saw her in a line up at Sangem Goodview. She is now so skilled. She was recruited and trained for 2 weeks, by a female trainer who then offers her to her regulars and regulars of the sauna. She basically only earnt 50 RMB per client during the first month but she had 2-3 per day, trying out and learning. Funnily, she said she learnt about her own response more than anything else. She learnt about eye contact, make up etc.
Well, she showed off all her new skills over 2 hours and I emerged rather happy and relaxed.
There is a guy who is obssessed with her and visits the sauna very other day but he is a "1,2,3.........taking care of".
That's right, I remember the bet very clearly... so when are we planning the trip to the famous Catacomb's... that's where you earn your badge as a true monger...
don't worry, just wear 2 condoms and close your eyes...
-J
errrrrr..... LET ME remind you.
The bet as it was LAST negotiated was that you MUST do a catacombs gal - at our expense!! - if you fail. So, next time we see you - it's off to the catacombs young man!!
SEAJ
Yes, this was SE Asia Joe and One Wing Low had for their initiations. I think she is still there. Fantastic BJ with no teeth, all glum from their reports.
Address:
The Catacomb Village
Ranch 6969 Hut 4444
Chang Ping District; Phone: 1-86-suck-wind
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104734
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104735
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Ppp Traveler
08-12-09, 22:51
Bruce Dude:
You get this backwards. You don't ask them, they ask you. If they like you they'd ask you to see them again. Sometimes under the banner of "book a room through me, I have a quota to fill". In fact they don't mind that much, the room booking means only rmb 100 for them, more or less. They should still be happy to see you. After exchanging a few text messages, you can turn on your charm. Ask BSD, the guy is always texting someone. Often with a grin on his face.
DJs always want you to book a room through them, it means their surivival. Therefore beware of DJs eagerly offering you their cell number. They have to. It means little. I have known brothers having a thing for DJs. I would hasten to admit, some of them DJs are fine, fine specimans of God's creation. The best looking ones are at the Meriton KTV. Or at least they were.
One brother from the other Board brought a group of his best friends to JY, where he had maintained carnal knowledge of a young DJ. It got a little expensive for all his friends, since the DJ had a quota to fill. Drink and drink all of them did. So did the DJ, just to help the quota. Many Maos and many bottles later, it turned out the DJ got drunk, had to get another DJ to help cleaning up. She starts crying. Not happy her temp boyfriend was holding another KTV girl in his arms. Messy. What the fuck, what do you think guys come to KTV for? Here lies the ultimate challenge in "courting" DJs and Mommies, to get on their friendly side you begin by supporting their business, which means you mess with other girls in front of them. I don't know about you brothers, but I'd feel wierd about this if I were courting a woman.
Many, Many months ago a not-so-young brother met a angelic DJ at the New Century KTV. Well, relatively angelic. The pretty birds have obviously flown elsewhere in town, the brother couldn't find anyone to his liking, the DJ stood out in comparison.
The next day the brother received a text from the DJ, inviting him to book a room, continuing their friendly conversation. The brother was flattered on his good looks, wise conversation and classy demeanor. Yet he held firm.
Brother: " I have no friends to go to KTV with tonight. I'd stay put, why don't you join me for dinner"
DJ: "I've got to work, or I get fined"
Brother: "Meet me after work, I'd take you out for dessert"
DJ: "I can't wait, I want you now. I am bored out of my mind! "
Brother: "The girls at your KTV are butt ugly, I don't want to go back there"
DJ: "who said anything about other girls, let's just get a small KTV room, just you and me:
Brother: "I already have a hotel room, just you and me. I'd order some food. Candles, bubble bath and teary-eye movies can all be arranged, together with Chairman Maos. You game? "
DJ: "Enh. Ah. Maybe next time."
Lesson learned: no need to court anyone in CP, what do you want, for them to actually love you? What then?
A fool and his money are welcome everywhere on Wall Street. I remember a book starts with these words of widsom. A fool and his Chairman Maos are always welcome in CP. Give them opportunity to ask you to dinner, if they don't bite, you move on.
Gosh, I like CP. Don't pinch me, I am dreaming.Wow, I learned a lot just by reading this post, thanks Jim. No wonder my DJ girl kept trying to get me to book a room at her KTV, even suggesting that we can have a room to ourselves, just the two of us (now that I think about it, maybe it would be fun to see how far she would let me grope/molest her.). But I'm gonna keep trying to hit on DJ's. BSD opened the floodgates and let out a tiger when he asked me to pick my very own first DJ. I think this is just a natural evolution of a newbie mongerer like me (the final step of evolution might look something like SEAJoe or OAH). Next stop, mamasans. After that, I dunno. Hotel reception girls? Some of them are smoking hot, mostly because they seem so innocent and fresh, in a town full of working girls. Who said it once?. "every girl has a price in CP". I just love that quote, because it's probably true
Gosh, I miss CP. Pinch me, I'm in a nightmare.
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Ppp Traveler
08-12-09, 23:21
That's right, I remember the bet very clearly... so when are we planning the trip to the famous Catacomb's... that's where you earn your badge as a true monger...
don't worry, just wear 2 condoms and close your eyes...
-J
errrrrr..... LET ME remind you.
The bet as it was LAST negotiated was that you MUST do a catacombs gal - at our expense!! - if you fail. So, next time we see you - it's off to the catacombs young man!!
SEAJ
Yes, this girl was SE Asia Joe and One Wing Low had for their initiations. I think she is still there. Fantastic BJ with no teeth, all glum from their reports.
Address:
The Catacomb Village
Ranch 6969 Hut 4444
Chang Ping District; Phone: 1-86-suck-wind
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104734
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104735
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104736Dude,
I was about to go through with this, until you posted those pictures! Now I'll have to wear a wig, glasses, and big nose to hide from SEAJoe, OAH, and Jettsetter every time I'm in CP. Which will definitely scare all the girls away, except for the ones in. The catacombs! Oh well, guess I'll just have to go through with it, right? It can't reeeaaally be that bad? The worst I've seen is, surprisingly, at some of the one-woman apartments in Hong Kong. I remember seeing one who looked like that wife/landlord lady from "Kung Fu Hustle". It can't be worse than that, can it?
Sigh. If I want to walk in the footsteps of Master SEAJoe and Master OAH, I HAVE to use the force and experience this aspect of mongering life as well. That which does not kill me will only make me stronger, and more appreciative of the young, nubile girls of CP. Just remind me to bring some brown paper bags and a box of industrial-strength KY Jelly.
PPP
Shark,
It is not advisable to walk through the catacombs alone. Especially at night.
Just my POV.
OAH
Point taken, but still wonder why some still report wandering there (alone i think) if its that dangerous. I would never venture there at nite of course(or it seems anywhere in CP at nite by foot as most now think CP is unsafe.)
If the catacom. is open during the mid afternoon or perhaps mornings, it can't be that bad just to walk thru and have a looksee to satisfy a curiosity, if one is alert and not drunk or look scared shitless?--
Shark
A thought just occur to me as I don't remember reading about this in CP-(and I've read back at least 6-7 months).
Aside from the 2 color taxis that everyone talks about, (and walking) are there any local transportation like local buses that all the locals use to get around town. I assume the local population don't all have cars or take the taxis everywhere so just wondering how they do it?
Shark
OldAsiaHand
08-13-09, 03:55
Point taken, but still wonder why some still report wandering there (alone i think) if its that dangerous. I would never venture there at nite of course(or it seems anywhere in CP at nite by foot as most now think CP is unsafe.)
If the catacom. is open during the mid afternoon or perhaps mornings, it can't be that bad just to walk thru and have a looksee to satisfy a curiosity, if one is alert and not drunk or look scared shitless?--
Shark
Shark,
We were there in a group once and saw one guy bleeding from the head profusely being chased by a couple of thugs one of whom had a brick in his hand. This was in broad daylight if remember correctly.
The area opens up in the late morning but the "better" quality talent do not pop up until the afternoon.
OAH
A thought just occur to me as I don't remember reading about this in CP-(and I've read back at least 6-7 months).
Aside from the 2 color taxis that everyone talks about, (and walking) are there any local transportation like local buses that all the locals use to get around town. I assume the local population don't all have cars or take the taxis everywhere so just wondering how they do it?
Shark
You can take the local yellow buses. It 's 2RMB each direction, one way. I hope you understand Chinese. If you expect to get directions from most locals speaking other than Chinese, forget it.
You can also take private transportation like the bread vans but it is not advisable.
They outlawed the motorcycle taxis. The motorcycles were popular once.
For the locals not having cars is not true.
Jettsetter
08-13-09, 09:17
Dude,
I was about to go through with this, until you posted those pictures! Now I'll have to wear a wig, glasses, and big nose to hide from SEAJoe, OAH, and Jettsetter every time I'm in CP. Which will definitely scare all the girls away, except for the ones in. The catacombs! Oh well, guess I'll just have to go through with it, right? It can't reeeaaally be that bad? The worst I've seen is, surprisingly, at some of the one-woman apartments in Hong Kong. I remember seeing one who looked like that wife/landlord lady from "Kung Fu Hustle". It can't be worse than that, can it?
Sigh. If I want to walk in the footsteps of Master SEAJoe and Master OAH, I HAVE to use the force and experience this aspect of mongering life as well. That which does not kill me will only make me stronger, and more appreciative of the young, nubile girls of CP. Just remind me to bring some brown paper bags and a box of industrial-strength KY Jelly.
PPP
Yes, PPP, and note if you get me to pick, she WILL look like Yoda...
Jettsetter
08-13-09, 09:22
Point taken, but still wonder why some still report wandering there (alone i think) if its that dangerous. I would never venture there at nite of course(or it seems anywhere in CP at nite by foot as most now think CP is unsafe.)
If the catacom. is open during the mid afternoon or perhaps mornings, it can't be that bad just to walk thru and have a looksee to satisfy a curiosity, if one is alert and not drunk or look scared shitless?--
Shark
This really sounds like famous last words before we get a new report about you heading down the catacombs alone, surrounded by 3 thugs asking for a hand-out... just think about it... who are you going to call for help? Where are you going to run? Day-light or not... you're done...
just hope that what you have in your pockets is enough not to get a whack to the head...
there are lots of twists and corners in the catacombs, it's really like being in a mini concrete village. I've been through there with 3 guys and you take a wrong turn and you can get separated from you buddies... very easily...
don't do it... take the advice on this board seriously... we're here to help you... not hinder you from the fine tuna... however, when the pink tacos come at the risk of bodily injury, we must strongly advise against it.
I'd even say two guys isn't enough.. I'd say take 3 guys at least to walk through that place... and don't wear flip-flops... not adviseable if you have to make a quick getaway...
-J
I had a girl from a BBS about 6 months ago. She was new to it and was shall we say at best adequate. But she had a face and body to drool over, even in street clothes. I kept her ON and we chatted a bit.
Yesterday, I saw her in a line up at Sangem Goodview.
Well, she showed off all her new skills over 2 hours and I emerged rather happy and relaxed.
LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.
I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.
Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.
I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.
Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...
Pleasure Dude
08-13-09, 21:53
Hey Bruce, it was nice meeting you the other day at the big event. I find the lighting at Mayflowers very dimmed so you can't really see the girls clearly. You will be surprised what a lot of girls will look like if someone decides to turn the lights up on flower street. My instinct is to always go with a girl that looks great without too much make up on. On another note, I was at Royal Garden KTV a week ago and the selection there was excellent as usual. They have a smaller flower street where the girls are sitting down. The lighting there is very bright so there is no surprises with your selection later on. Unfortunatley I was accompanying my ex-gf that day so only looking is allowed. Saw a few nice ones that I would definitely pick.
PD
LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.
I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.
Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.
I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.
Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...
This really sounds like famous last words before we get a new report about you heading down the catacombs alone, surrounded by 3 thugs asking for a hand-out... just think about it... who are you going to call for help? Where are you going to run? Day-light or not... you're done...
just hope that what you have in your pockets is enough not to get a whack to the head...
there are lots of twists and corners in the catacombs, it's really like being in a mini concrete village. I've been through there with 3 guys and you take a wrong turn and you can get separated from you buddies... very easily...
don't do it... take the advice on this board seriously... we're here to help you... not hinder you from the fine tuna... however, when the pink tacos come at the risk of bodily injury, we must strongly advise against it.
I'd even say two guys isn't enough.. I'd say take 3 guys at least to walk through that place... and don't wear flip-flops... not adviseable if you have to make a quick getaway...
-J
Thanks guys,
Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.
But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.
You can take the local yellow buses. It 's 2RMB each direction, one way. I hope you understand Chinese. If you expect to get directions from most locals speaking other than Chinese, forget it.
You can also take private transportation like the bread vans but it is not advisable.
They outlawed the motorcycle taxis. The motorcycles were popular once.
For the locals not having cars is not true.
Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.
I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?
BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?
Shark
Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.
I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?
BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?
SharkI think you better take a taxi, it will save you a lot of problem I guess. I am also an ABC and I speak fluently cantonese it even difficult for me to move freely in cp. First not everybody in cp understand cantonese most of them are foreign worker who came from outside cp so they don't speak any cantonese only putungua. All monger venue in cp are actually on a short distance from each other. So the taxi fare will not be very high I guess. It is just my point of view.You decide what you want to do.
Big Swingin Dave
08-14-09, 02:46
Thanks guys,
Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.
But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.The second time I was in CP, I met an ISG brother (forgot his handle...sorry) that introduced me to SEAJoe and Wadman and they took us for a tour of the Catacomb. It was behind the Walter hotel near the swimming pool but I remember that it was a maze of back alleys and the rooms were quite small and dingy. The rusted steel doors were had outside pad locks on them to lock the WG girls in. It was high noon when we went so not much activities at that time but I remember seeing the conditions of these places and found it to be quite depressing. The bed was just a board with a dirty pillow, no showers or running water. This is not for the kind at heart and definitely not a touring mongering spot, it's for poor local guys needing a quickie. I advise that all ISG brothers should stay away from this area. It's not safe and definitely we expats and tourists are NOT welcome there.
BSD
The lighting at Mayflower is dim but I didn't find that it made a difference in seeing the girls clearly. There were no surprises for me. What is worse is the proliferation of push up bras. Those bras make the breast size look one cup larger. So all of the alleged C cups I chose ended up being B cups.
Hey Bruce, it was nice meeting you the other day at the big event. I find the lighting at Mayflowers very dimmed so you can't really see the girls clearly. You will be surprised what a lot of girls will look like if someone decides to turn the lights up on flower street. My instinct is to always go with a girl that looks great without too much make up on. On another note, I was at Royal Garden KTV a week ago and the selection there was excellent as usual. They have a smaller flower street where the girls are sitting down. The lighting there is very bright so there is no surprises with your selection later on. Unfortunatley I was accompanying my ex-gf that day so only looking is allowed. Saw a few nice ones that I would definitely pick. PD
Big Swingin Dave
08-14-09, 02:56
Thanks,
I was just assuming not everyone in CP had money for cars but had alternate ways of transportation other than walking, biking or taxi.
I don't read chinese at all as I'm ABC but can get by= understand passing or moderate amounts of Cantonese (only).
So can you go on yellow buses directly from one monger venue to another or will you require a transfer to another bus or perhaps close enough for drop off and walk--by walking I mean about 10min or less?
BTW: what exactly are bread vans , are these the ones the hotel hires for customer pickup?
Shark
The Swan Lake area is ground zero for most of the mongering activities in CP. Below is an estimated travel time for walking and taxi between the SWL area and the following areas:
Train Station: Walking - 15 minutes; Taxi - 7 minutes
HuiHua/Miraton - 20/10
Pedestrian Street/Revolving Restaurant (main shopping areas) - 15/7
The great thing about mongering in CP is that everything is close by, nothing more than 10 minutes taxi ride and 10RMB fare away but it can add up if you take a few trips a day. I prefer walking but right now it's quite hot and not very comfortable outside during the day.
Public buses are available for 2RMB each way but if you don't know your way around and get lost, it will cost you time and more money. Stick with taxis, make sure they use the meter (most taxis do in CP without asking), just point at the meter and say "da biao", if they don't get out and get another one.
There are also 3 wheel pedi-taxi and will go to most places for 5RMB. Make sure you negotiate in advance, i.e. say "huo che janh" (train station) then hold up 5 fingers and if they nodd, get on; otherwise make sure they understand where they are going and how much before you get in.
BSD
BSD
OldAsiaHand
08-14-09, 03:50
Thanks guys,
Didn't read any details on how bad it is down there, just the usual post on how dirty it was and the hanky panky and all that.
But if its so bad there then why does the Catac. even exist today as most will not even venture there for business.
Shark,
At 30 RMB a shot, it caters mostly to locals e.g. migrant workers, taxi drivers, etc. who cannot afford 150-200 RMB for a BBS girl. The girls do 10-12 punters on a good day.
I am an advocate of "trying everything once in life" and earned my stripes in the catacombs years ago. I used to know the "mafia" guy in charge of the area and he gave me a guided tour one time. After that, I felt more comfortable roaming around alone since I would stop by to "check in" with him on subsequent visits. It's been over a year since I ventured in so I don't know if he is still around. He usually hangs out in front of the shop with the pool table just as you enter the area. Since his goons are strategically positioned around the area, you are OK with his protection net looking over your shoulder.
That said, if you insist on trying, take our advice. Go in with 3 guys at least and try it 1 guy at a time so there are always 2 of you outside the door waiting.
Just my POV.
OAH
Big Swingin Dave
08-14-09, 03:52
Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.
The KTV is located near the train station, exact location and name to be withheld and because for the fear of a crackdown and potential popularity if mentioned openly, this place will not be able to offer the Chang An (CA) like KTV party style.
We arrived at the KTV at approximately 7pm, normal to late standard at most KTVs in town. Mayflower and JY usually start at 6pm and Peninsula and HuiHua usually starts at 6:30pm. We did not even see the DJs line up at the front entrance. A bad sign... We went up to the third floor and again no reception until a hostess saw us and came running to greet us. We were lead to our room but on the way, no music, no sign of life. Uh-oh...alarms went off... being KTV veterans; we started to be very skeptical of our new surroundings. The room had old equipment with wire microphones but the sound system was decent and works flawlessly. We told the manager that being our first time, we will view the ladies first and if we cannot find any acceptable ladies to party with, we will leave.
The flower street started near the big lounge at 7:30pm. They had about 100 girls, kind of reminds of HuaDu KTV with a lot of smoke. A tactic to hide the beauty of the girls but we were not disappointed. SEAJoe and HungryGuy each found two ladies and one for me (sorry guys...my pick were the best one AGAIN...). The ladies have three different color tags. Blue ones are 2-5-8 (will not strip), Yellow are 3-6-9 (will strip totally nude ALL night), Red are 2 only (not available for after KTV activities).
The management at this place really caters to the customer. They instructed the ladies to do whatever we want inside the room, boy what transpire after that was pure "no holds bar" fun fun fun!!! A blind was used to cover the window opening. No one was allowed into the room except for the manager that helped us make the reservation. We were not interrupted by any annoying people selling popcorn, cigarettes, candies, snacks, mommies, promotion managers all night. We had the room totally to ourselves. The girls were on automatic, they did not need to be told to strip totally naked. Wow, what a change but in a way less erotic like trying to convince a girl to strip, oh well... Of the three that stripped, my girl was a WOW! Perfect B "cup" firm titties and an awesome figure. The skin was not super smooth but what a beauty she was, as a matter of fact, SEAJoe liked her so much, he wanted to take her but she will not do a Double, so he most likely will do her at this afternoon instead. Anyways, because there were only 3 of us in the room, we couldn't play a lot of the games we wanted to play so it would be a lot more fun if we can group up and go there in a big party (i.e. 6 or more...); nevertheless, we had an awesome time. I won't go into too much detail but will leave the imagination to each of you...
For you party animals out there, this place offers a great deal, 300RMB per person, all you can drink (beer only). The price includes snacks, fruit plates, service charge, performance charge, etc. 200RMB minimum tip for the DJ not included.
There are two other semi-naked KTVs (FuHao and JuangHui (ex-SWL) and two quasi-naked KTVs (CA Red and Virgin) KTVs in town but this newly found place is FULLY naked ALL night. It was a great change to the normal KTVs in town, a definite recommended stop for your next time when you are partying in CP.
For an extra 100RMB per WG to enjoy the naked KTV atmosphere, I think is a great deal as some may still want to venture to CA (more places, more variety) but it is about 1 hour away plus 100RMB - 130RMB transportation cost each way and there are the problems of convincing a WG to go to CP overnight and arranging the ladies (another 100RMB - 130RMB) to go back to CA the next morning. We have done that before but why hassle when you can get nearly the same here in CP.
This KTV has 78 rooms and they gave me a tour with the largest one being able to hold 50 plus. Also, they told me that they can make the large lounge area into a mega party room which will hold 100 plus. I think I will organize a big party on the first Saturday of next month (September 5th) at this place. Let me know if anyone is in town at that time and would like to join in.
To help ensure that this place will be able to continue to provide the naked-ktv fun and to protect the anonymity of this establishment, PM me if you want details but I ask the ISG brothers not to divulge the name and location of this establishment in the open forum. Thank you in advance!
BSD
OldAsiaHand
08-14-09, 03:58
LOL....reminds me of a recent incident.
I had a Night Market girl less than 3 months ago who was pretty much my first ST experience. Wad was kind enough to take me there late at night and patiently helped me select her. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type and I promised to be with her the next day, which I didn't do since I was busy with the ISG bros. She got mad and I guess that was that.
Fast forward 3 months later. Was at Mayflower and had trouble selecting a girl. BSDave was kind enough to help me through the parade of girls and patiently helped me select a girl. Liked her quite a bit as she was my type. After like 30 minutes or so, I asked her name and found it familiar. Went ahead and asked her telephone number and went into the bathroom to check. It was a match. I ended up with the same Night Market girl without recognizing her.
I'm pretty sure she knew who I was after those in the KTV called me by my name but we avoided the subject. Went on partying for 4 hours. Gave her the sitting fee and ended the night on that note.
Chances are I'll probably select her unknowingly AGAIN. Kinda weird but I guess I suck when recognizing people, especially in dim settings (yeah, blame it on the dim atmosphere!)...
I can never remember all the girls I do. I often walk into a BBS and pick the same girl I've done before without realizing it. I think this is because we have a certain type we are looking for and that type catches our eye. Most of the time, the girls will not say anything about it.
In your case, I reckon that your girl was working at the Mayflower when you first met her. Many KTV girls will use the Night Market as their last resort if they are not taken out from the KTV.
Just my POV.
OAH
Jettsetter
08-14-09, 11:54
I can never remember all the girls I do. I often walk into a BBS and pick the same girl I've done before without realizing it. I think this is because we have a certain type we are looking for and that type catches our eye. Most of the time, the girls will not say anything about it.
In your case, I reckon that your girl was working at the Mayflower when you first met her. Many KTV girls will use the Night Market as their last resort if they are not taken out from the KTV.
Just my POV.
OAH
Isn't there a reason why the girls don't wear "red boots" anymore???!
-J
Hi,
Just back from a trip to DG and wanted to give back to the forum with a report.
Day 1 (Sun)
Just into town mid afternoon and checked into the Miraton Hotel. 368 rmb/room. Decided that we wanted to try out the Mayflower on our first night and off we went at 5:45pm. We went early to check out their rooms, which for 268 rmb were very good. Hotel manager helped us book a KTV room and off we went. Met up with her contact there and she stayed with us almost the entire night from picking up girls until we got the bill. We didn't mind as she was okay looking.
The line up on Sun night is okay. I would guess 500-600 give or take but the overall quality didn't impress us. I guess when you just keep adding girls to get the numbers up you bring down the overall quality level. That being said we didn't have too much trouble finding 2 girls each for the night.
Beer is buy 3 get 2 for most brands I think but I still found this KTV expensive considering the competition around the area. Cost: 1500 room + 200 DJ. Keep in mind that there were also giving us some free food and beer. The girls are fun but that is always YMMV. Straight up 2-5-8 for the girls. They also gave us the use of their hotel van to get back to Miraton for free although we tipped the driver 5 or 10.
My impressions of Mayflower: okay place, it is really a much bigger version of Tao Yuan (Jia Yi) with more flat screens in the roooms but at almost twice the room cost. Our small room had a min charge of 668 rmb. Overall nothing special.
More to follow.
GZ
OldAsiaHand
08-14-09, 16:52
Isn't there a reason why the girls don't wear "red boots" anymore???!
-J
J,
You have to come back in the winter to see the "red boots". A very short mini-skirt or hot pants with extra high heels on is my summertime favorite.
Just my POV.
OAH
Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.
......
BSDInteresting report BSD, have to find out more about this place from you.
Cheers
Pointpanic
08-14-09, 21:37
So save a place for me on the 5th. Sounds like fun! Arriving on the 4th and leave on the 7th. Hope to see you and Joe and Wadman and Jettsetter while I am in town. So what is Santa's schedule?
Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.
.................This KTV has 78 rooms and they gave me a tour with the largest one being able to hold 50 plus. Also, they told me that they can make the large lounge area into a mega party room which will hold 100 plus. I think I will organize a big party on the first Saturday of next month (September 5th) at this place. Let me know if anyone is in town at that time and would like to join in.
To help ensure that this place will be able to continue to provide the naked-ktv fun and to protect the anonymity of this establishment, PM me if you want details but I ask the ISG brothers not to divulge the name and location of this establishment in the open forum. Thank you in advance!
BSD
Have the pleasure of being here with some local friends so everything is smooth, no hiccups or fear of being ripped off by girls/mami's/dj's etc.
I am not sure the same experience would be had if i turned up here on my own, or with 1 or 2 fellow westeners, but i am in heaven !! long time traveller to Ind, VN, MY, SGP - and this place is still beyond any expectations!
Royal Garden hotel, KTV, and down the road the more written about Mayflower - mind boggling scale of selection and possibilities!
All the SEA J stories are absolutely not inflated perspectives on the truth!
No need to expand on what the costs were - they are as mentioned in other posts. But the wonderful thing is that there is no messy debate over anything then. Taxi money is not relevant. Bigger figures are not pushed for! Not the cheapest up front but by far the easiest, best value, highest quality i have experienced in all my travels!
I will be return!
:-)
Ozirob
SE Asia Joe
08-15-09, 17:42
Damn that BS Dave - first he fixed me up whereby I cain't do nuthin but accept the guyses' birthday present of 3 gals to do.... starting the beginnings of my addiction to multiple play... so much so that last week I had to do a double.
Welllll, I was gonna be a good boy starting this week and just do my usual singles.... till he AGAIN made it absolutely impossible for me to keep my resolve.
"I've got bad news and good news!" BSD said to me.
"The tall beauty #308 that you absolutely adore and the one that everybody's been raving about at the Clipper Sauna, well, the bad news is that she's been promoted and is now a full fledged Gal (changed her number to #608 to reflect her "promotion") so its gonna be RMB 400 from hereonwards. "
"BUT.... the good news is that her sister just started and is now still at RMB 300 as she's just past her "trainee" status. And she's even better looking than 308/608!"
"Let me TRY to fix it up for you, where you can still enjoy her as a trainee at RMB 100" BSD went on.
And sure enuff, he cajoled and bargained and got the sister for the trainee price; and of course she double teamed with her older sister 308/608.
Talk about a mind blowing experience - a now very experienced and skilled 608 training her li'l sis on the finer points of pleasing an old fat man!! And let me tell you, what a body Li'l sis has - large, well proportioned knockers, tipped by the slighest pink aureole on a thinnish body. And all this topped by a beautiful beautiful face (reminds me of the expensive kept gal, Bebe, I used to do, and who's now 3-6-10 at the Mayflower) WOW!!!
How the hell can I go back to doing singles AFTER that??!!
SEAJ
Ps. It's pretty well mandatory that you pop twice during a 2 hour Clipper Sauna session - helps to have Double Trouble!!
SE Asia Joe
08-15-09, 18:07
- we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. ........
- We arrived at the KTV at approximately 7pm, normal to late standard at most KTVs in town. .........
- The flower street started near the big lounge at 7:30pm. They had about 100 girls.........,
- boy what transpire after that was pure "no holds bar" fun fun fun!!! ..........
- The girls were on automatic, they did not need to be told to strip totally naked. ...........
- We have done that before but why hassle when you can get nearly the same here in CP..............
-I think I will organize a big party on the first Saturday of next month (September 5th) at this place. ........BSD
- This was a helluva experience for all of us as we never expected ALL THIS in CP - I mean, I actually think this was wilder than CA as the gals sat the whole 4 - 5 hours totally butt naked vs CA where they still keep a bit of clothing on for most of the night - and only strip totally naked for 30 minutes or so.
- I THINK that the flower street starts so much later than the other KTV's in town as I THINK the gals probably first go to other KTV's to try to get a sitting and when not unsuccesful, they then head out to this KTV. Am of course not sure (didn't think to ask that evening as I was having so much fun and really had my hands full the whole time!!), but now when I think about it, the gals definitely were not the supermodel 8"s and 9's types that will pass muster by Jim Traveler/Jetsetter etc. On the other hand, they are definitely a step above the new Chuan Yu/Old S.W.L. - so they ain't that bad at all
- Yes, unfortunately mostly 5's 6's and a few 7's and 8's - although I must add that BSD's gal was really very very pretty and she had the absolutely most perfect body I've seen in a long long time. Large pink tipped ones that seems to have defied gravity - and I guess ones that could not have been fully appreciated at other KTV's where she would have remained clothed.
- I sure as hell will go back to this KTV without a doubt - and most probably before YOU guys all come a trotting that Saturday Sept 5 - as I really am worried that it is not gonna last too long with all this crack-down happening.
- And please guys - please do not give this KTV too much publicity and if you do have a chance to go there, please do not spread it around.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-15-09, 18:29
Went to Chuen Yu a few times past week and I "detect" that their new pricing structure is starting to unravel!! YEAH!! Horray!!
Individual mommies are whispering in my ears that "for you and you alone (Yeah - right!!) the BBS price is the old 200-500" (versus the new 200-600)
And they're practically begging any one who walks in there to "Please book a room" EVEN ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT!!
And my buddies and I have uniformly replied back - "What - and pay 2-4-7 for your gals?? You gotta be kidding!"
(Please remember that these same gals were 1-3-6 previously - and as far as I'm concerned, still only worth 1-3-6! Maximum, perhaps 1.5-3-6 to take into account the now naked titties! Note that such a price would sort of mirror the price differential for the naked Fu Hao gals who are 2.5-5-8 vs 2-5-8 for the non-naked ones)
So guys, please keep the pressure up on these vulture mommies at the Chuen Yu. Remember - they were the ones who raised the prices a few years back to 200 ST (from the 150 that is still current at the Hui Mei alley, and 130 at the night market as well as at other Dongguan BBS's). And when they were succesful, all the other Yalan/SWL rd BBS's followed suit and uniformly raised the prices to the present 200-500.
A year or so ago, these same group of vulture SWL mommies tried to raise the prices to 250-500 - but as most of us refused to go along with it ( in some cases even getting into arguments with the gals AFTER the deed and having to shout and scream on the fone with the mommy), they were largely unsuccesful. Note though, that they still try to once a while get away with this with the newbies and unwary punters - so please watch out and always establish the price PRIOR to agreeing to taking any gal. And yes, I'm not ashamed to state that I still do so each time I take a gal from Chuen Yu.
Thanks for any and all support you guys can give to this.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-15-09, 19:18
I can never remember all the girls I do. I often walk into a BBS and pick the same girl I've done before without realizing it. I think this is because we have a certain type we are looking for and that type catches our eye. Most of the time, the girls will not say anything about it.
In your case, I reckon that your girl was working at the Mayflower when you first met her. Many KTV girls will use the Night Market as their last resort if they are not taken out from the KTV.
Just my POV.
OAH
Give you a suggestion OAH.
Us Not-so-spring-chicken-guys,(and since we've accumulatively done relative larger numbers), we really do forget gals we did (What's YOUR excuse Bruce? WHEN...... Did you start shaving?).
And yes, it sometimes gets a bit embarrassing.
But more importantly, it is a waste of money - for after all, the reason why I would have forgotten having done a particular gal is that she WAS NOT memorable/not a candidate for a repeat. Re-doing a gal I had forgotten having done is a definite waste of $$$!
So now I routinely take pictures of all the gals I do - and I actually tell them that I'm taking their pictures as I want to ALWAYS remember them. Really!!
Rarely get refused flat out..... and I once a while look thru my collection and refresh my memory as to who I did do.
Whaddya think??
SEAJ
YEah SEAJ, but we all forget as they change hair, add/lose weight, ... heck at mayflower one girl was a former SWL girl and i didn't recognize her - lots of makeup, nicer clothes and at 2 feet away in the room didn't have a clue until she said swan lake and and described some activites. then it clicked.
in the darkness of the hall, it is totally possible. i am even thinking that the other girl i picked from mayflower was one from SWL weeks later. seeming to remember her smile, but even not i am not sure.
as an asian at you can blend and girls may not recognize you. laoweis stand out and apparently we are easier to remember since we are fewer. more embarassing and harder to ditch a bad previous choice. - don't you remember me? ugh... i wish i didn't.
yes the problem is that you remember the winners and the other are a blur and hence the problem. the blur remember the laowei.
Fast Eddie 48
08-16-09, 06:25
Shark,
At 30 RMB a shot, it caters mostly to locals e.g. migrant workers, taxi drivers, etc. who cannot afford 150-200 RMB for a BBS girl. The girls do 10-12 punters on a good day.
I am an advocate of "trying everything once in life" and earned my stripes in the catacombs years ago. I used to know the "mafia" guy in charge of the area and he gave me a guided tour one time. After that, I felt more comfortable roaming around alone since I would stop by to "check in" with him on subsequent visits. It's been over a year since I ventured in so I don't know if he is still around. He usually hangs out in front of the shop with the pool table just as you enter the area. Since his goons are strategically positioned around the area, you are OK with his protection net looking over your shoulder.
That said, if you insist on trying, take our advice. Go in with 3 guys at least and try it 1 guy at a time so there are always 2 of you outside the door waiting.
Just my POV.
OAHOAH,
I must said hat off to mr OAH ,you are a brave man I been to Catacomb 3 time never did a girl there yet ,I never can find a girl that do BBBJ or a house that is clean enough for me ,so mr OAH I know that you have done a girl there once but have you gone back for sloppy second ,I think this is a life time experience I can do without .
Fast eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
08-16-09, 10:39
yes the problem is that you remember the winners and the other are a blur and hence the problem. the blur remember .
THAT is precisely what I was trying to explain. Why cain't I write things like that/that way??!
So few words. Short, succinct and so eloquent.
SEAJ
Playboy2000
08-16-09, 17:01
OMIGAWD - how nice to even be compared to Charles Bukowski!!
I had to Actually wikipedia him to find out the flwg:
"..........Henry Charles Bukowski (August 16, 1920 – March 9, 1994), was a German American poet, novelist, and short story writer. Bukowski's writing was heavily influenced by the geography and atmosphere of his home city of Los Angeles, and is marked by an emphasis on the ordinary lives of marginalized poor American Whites, the act of writing, alcohol, relationships with women, the drudgery of work, and horseracing. A prolific author, Bukowski wrote thousands of poems, hundreds of short stories, and six novels, eventually having over 60 books in print. He is often remembered as "The Poet Laureate of Skid Row"......."
And after finding out about Charles Bukowski, I can definitely tell you that I am not in the same league at all - not even close!
Perhaps OWL is the only guy here who would think he can compare!
Funny - actually "alcohol, relationships with women, the drudgery of work and horse racing" pretty well describes me - but then again, I'm sure it describes lots of others!!
Anyway, thanks for the compliment - as undeserved as it is.
SEAJ
I gave Joe a copy of a Bukowski classic for his birthday. Why? Because Joe is the Bukowski of CP. Joe, Did you get a chance to read it? RT
Playboy2000
08-16-09, 17:30
Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.
The KTV is located near the train station, exact location and name to be withheld and because for the fear of a crackdown and potential popularity if mentioned openly, this place will not be able to offer the Chang An (CA) like KTV party style.
I hope this place is still around next year! As you know, I am big fan of strip KTVs. I will travel half-way around the world for them!
Playboy2000
08-16-09, 18:13
Being away from CP for 10 days, I now have a little perspective on my two-week vacation in CP.
I partied with so many good people: Pleasure Dude (great winging with you once again...will never forget the strip poker game in your hotel room!), Jim Traveler (thanks for teaching me the "landlord" card game and showing me your bachelors pad), OAH (it was brief again - next time I will join you one night for your BBS/dinner/footie routine one night), ppTraveler (yes, that was a bonding experience at Century Flower - next time we will have to do that foursome!), SEAJ (finally got to meet the poet of CP), MongerX (I am sure our paths will cross again soon), Jetsetter (that dinner at HH was very nice...you also a wealth of interesting mongering info...we will certainly meet again), LA Dude (hey due - I can't PM you - how can I contact you directly?), Al from SF (who took me to FuHao and Virgin - if you are reading this, send me a PM so that we can get back in touch), the Singapore gang (I know you sammy guys are lurking on this board), and of course BSD who is just a fabulous guy (I hope I can swing some biz your way in the future). And many, many others, including the guys from HK that joined many of the KTV parties organized by BSD.
During the 15 days, I only took a break one night. When I took the train back to HK on my last night, I was compeletely drained...I figured I'd never screw again. But, of course, after one week away I am already dreaming about getting back. The early-August gang has already written numerous reports, so I really don't have too much to add. I will second that Century Flower KTV is an absolute blast. (By the way, I didn't want to mention it to you guys, but there was actually a shooting/killing at that KTV a few weeks before our historical night.)
For me, all the non-strip KTVs (Mayflower, JY, HH, Penn, Manhattan, and so on) are all more or less the same thing. I really do not buy into the theory that the girls at one of those KTVs perform better than another KTV...it is really about the girl, your own mood that evening, and your rapport with the girl..it is the luck of the draw. But the strip KTVs do distinguish themselves. So I was happy going to any one of the classic CP KTVs.
Also, the top saunas (Virgin, HH, Miraton, Clipper) are also basically the same thing. In each of those places, some girls "put out" more than others...it is the luck of the draw (or the luck of a recommendation).
One place that was not mentioned by the "early August ISG gang" reports, is Jin Da Li (or whatever it is called), across the street from the train station. The dirty footie there is one of the best bargains in CP...and contrary to some other reports, the dirty footie girls are young and decent looking (much better looking, on average, than the Clipper footie girls). If you take extended time, costing a total of about 100 RMB, the footie girl undresses and gives you a HJ. I would never let myself pop there...just went there for a nice pre-KTV tease. One thing that is different about it from the CP KTV venues is that many of the mongers that frequent the place are actually mainlaind Chinese mongers. It is not as sparkling clean as the HH or Clipper footie, but it is clean enough.
RT
Have the pleasure of being here with some local friends so everything is smooth, no hiccups or fear of being ripped off by girls/mami's/dj's etc.
No need to expand on what the costs were - they are as mentioned in other posts.
It's definitely advantageous to punt in a group or with veterans of the place. And it's good preperation to read through the posts here and get invaluable information so you get a general idea of the intracacies of this town.
But live and learn with an open mind. There's still going to be situations where you "assume" the answer, but in fact, you don't know at all...
Ok, my experience. I saw a girl with a hot body walk into the hotel obviously going to someone's room. I asked for her number and got it. Texted her throughout the afternoon and she showed up in my room around 5, approximately an hour before starting work at her regular KTV.
SEA Joe stopped by and tried to get some information out of her (her pricing, her intentions, etc.) but I wasn't taking it seriously and was still messing around.
Well, after he took off, I did her and "assumed" that a quickie would be 300 rmb (reasoning that KTV girls get 200 sitting fee and 500 total for ST...and since she never sat with me, I only had to give her the 300 for the ST). She relented and told me (nicely) that it is 500 rmb. I then realized that we never negotiated before the deed and I really don't know what I got myself into.
I gave her the remaining 200 rmb and without a sour face, told her I didn't know, and thanked her for explaining it to me.
Of course, I called up SEAJ and asked what was the real deal. OK, so 500 is really what she should should get for ST (what makes KTV girls distinguished from BBS girls). I texted her and again apologized, but she took it light-heartedly and I was glad I didn't make a stink because of my own ignorance when in the room.
Pretty much if she lied and overcharged me, I'd still have to chalk it up as a bad experience since I never negotiated the price before the deed. And there was no mommy to call when miscommunication arises between you and the girl. In any case, be calm and try not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl over money, cause that can lead to much more problems.
Live and learn. There's a LOT of people ripping off non-locals all over China and it feels bad afterwards, but it will be harder to get ripped off when armed with experience or information. And yeah, get the info before dropping your trousers.
First let me said “Thank you” to BSD for his help and guide during my time in CP. I am not a newbie to CP but this time I was there alone and for the 3 nights I was there BSD is invaluable. Thanks BSD.
1st. day we went to Mayflower early and it is “clocking” time for the girls, just standing outside and what a sight! Girls, Girls, girls arriving alone, two, three in taxis, three wheelers, vans or just walking. Saw many stunners and very tempted to ask them to go back with me right off instead of going to work. We did not book a room for the night but somehow BSD work his magic and we manage to go in for the flower walk. Meet another ISGer. My estimate is there must be 400 to 500 girls and comparable to Jiayi in quality. Went for dinner and end up with a BBS girl for the night.
2nd. Day. Do the normal sauna (Good – 331 Clipper), foot massage and go the Mayflower. Pick two girls, join by couple of friends and have a great time in KTV (RMB1200 + 200DJ). Have difficulties deciding who to take back and ask the girls are they OK with double, answer YES but it goes downhill once in the room. Let one go and luckily the remaining girl switch back to good and playful again. Great save!
3rd. day. Meet SEAJ and he definitely live up to his fame or was it notoriety? Good time in naked KTV which I believe will be very much better with bigger crowd. Get two girls again. Let one go fast as she have just shave and feel rough in the important area, not my spec. The other is a KTV virgin, have a great time teaching her all I know and more! Read SEAJ/BSD reports for more.
Hungryguy.
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SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 07:42
I gave Joe a copy of a Bukowski classic for his birthday. Why? Because Joe is the Bukowski of CP. Joe, Did you get a chance to read it? RT
Hey RT - It was great to have at last met you and I REALLY appreciate your gift.
Have only started to read it - but already made my mind up that my writing skills (if you can call it that!!) is nothing compared to Bukowski. (and I AM getting all red-faced with embarrassment right now!!)
LIke I said, I just write how I speak - all disjointed and not making too much sense!!
Again thanks for the nice gift.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 07:44
First let me said “Thank you” to BSD for his help and guide during my time in CP. I am not a newbie to CP but this time I was there alone and for the 3 nights I was there BSD is invaluable. Thanks BSD.
1st. day we went to Mayflower early and it is “clocking” time for the girls, just standing outside and what a sight! Girls, Girls, girls arriving alone, two, three in taxis, three wheelers, vans or just walking. Saw many stunners and very tempted to ask them to go back with me right off instead of going to work. We did not book a room for the night but somehow BSD work his magic and we manage to go in for the flower walk. Meet another ISGer. My estimate is there must be 400 to 500 girls and comparable to Jiayi in quality. Went for dinner and end up with a BBS girl for the night.
2nd. Day. Do the normal sauna (Good – 331 Clipper), foot massage and go the Mayflower. Pick two girls, join by couple of friends and have a great time in KTV (RMB1200 + 200DJ). Have difficulties deciding who to take back and ask the girls are they OK with double, answer YES but it goes downhill once in the room. Let one go and luckily the remaining girl switch back to good and playful again. Great save!
3rd. day. Meet SEAJ and he definitely live up to his fame or was it notoriety? Good time in naked KTV which I believe will be very much better with bigger crowd. Get two girls again. Let one go fast as she have just shave and feel rough in the important area, not my spec. The other is a KTV virgin, have a great time teaching her all I know and more! Read SEAJ/BSD reports for more.
Hungryguy.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Your gal asked me if you've always been such a smooth operator!
and I just said - "enjoy!" in reply.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 07:51
Pretty much if she lied and overcharged me, I'd still have to chalk it up as a bad experience since I never negotiated the price before the deed. And there was no mommy to call when miscommunication arises between you and the girl. In any case, be calm and try not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl over money, cause that can lead to much more problems.
.
Hey Bruce, I saw her dazed and just standing on the curb outside your hotel after you let her go.
What did you do to her??!!
I mean, she was like a zombie and when I talked to her, she was hardly intelligible responding.
You were either THAT good or THAT bad!!!
Which was it?
SEAJ
If I were a girl I'd do you too, Joe, but I would want 3-6-10! Haha.
Have seen the 3-6-10 before, please explain for the less informed.
Thanks
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 08:36
Have seen the 3-6-10 before, please explain for the less informed.
Thanks
3-6-10 refers to the pricing of a KTV gal - in this case, it's RMB 300 to sit with you all night, 600 if you then pop her or RMB 1,000 if you keep her all night.
1-3-6, 2-5-8, etc all refers to the same system of pricing a gal
SEAJ
Ps. and in this case, JTraveler is just - as usual - yanking me.
3-6-10 refers to the pricing of a KTV gal - in this case, it's RMB 300 to sit with you all night, 600 if you then pop her or RMB 1,000 if you keep her all night.
1-3-6, 2-5-8, etc all refers to the same system of pricing a gal
SEAJ
Ps. and in this case, JTraveler is just - as usual - yanking me.
Thanks, I just wandered in from the PI/Thai threads. You China guys sure know how to party. Seems a little expensive after Angeles City. Being on a budget sucks. You mentioned "600 if you then pop her" is this short time at your hotel or in-house?
Slim
Hey bros my friend and I arrived in CP today for the first time. We are in our late-20s and looking for more bros to join us for KTVs (would like trying out naked KTV) etc. We both speak mandarin & cantonese but would like some local bros from here to join us in the adventures. Drop us a PM and let us know if you're in the area and interested.
Flyguy 1974
08-17-09, 13:31
Been to most of the ktvs in CP like Hui hua, jiayi, manhantahn and etc but never got a chance to try the naked KTV. I'm will be at CP this coming 19th Aug. So mind to share the details of this KTV?
Last evening, thanks to SEAJoe and HungryGuy, we venture into a relatively unknown KTV in town. As a matter of fact, we used one of those train station personal car sharks to take us there for 10RMB from the Clipper hotel and the guy doesn't even know where it is.
The KTV is located near the train station, exact location and name to be withheld and because for the fear of a crackdown and potential popularity if mentioned openly, this place will not be able to offer the Chang An (CA) like KTV party style.
We arrived at the KTV at approximately 7pm, normal to late standard at most KTVs in town. Mayflower and JY usually start at 6pm and Peninsula and HuiHua usually starts at 6:30pm. We did not even see the DJs line up at the front entrance. A bad sign... We went up to the third floor and again no reception until a hostess saw us and came running to greet us. We were lead to our room but on the way, no music, no sign of life. Uh-oh...alarms went off... being KTV veterans; we started to be very skeptical of our new surroundings. The room had old equipment with wire microphones but the sound system was decent and works flawlessly. We told the manager that being our first time, we will view the ladies first and if we cannot find any acceptable ladies to party with, we will leave.
The flower street started near the big lounge at 7:30pm. They had about 100 girls, kind of reminds of HuaDu KTV with a lot of smoke. A tactic to hide the beauty of the girls but we were not disappointed. SEAJoe and HungryGuy each found two ladies and one for me (sorry guys...my pick were the best one AGAIN...). The ladies have three different color tags. Blue ones are 2-5-8 (will not strip), Yellow are 3-6-9 (will strip totally nude ALL night), Red are 2 only (not available for after KTV activities).
The management at this place really caters to the customer. They instructed the ladies to do whatever we want inside the room, boy what transpire after that was pure "no holds bar" fun fun fun!!! A blind was used to cover the window opening. No one was allowed into the room except for the manager that helped us make the reservation. We were not interrupted by any annoying people selling popcorn, cigarettes, candies, snacks, mommies, promotion managers all night. We had the room totally to ourselves. The girls were on automatic, they did not need to be told to strip totally naked. Wow, what a change but in a way less erotic like trying to convince a girl to strip, oh well... Of the three that stripped, my girl was a WOW! Perfect B "cup" firm titties and an awesome figure. The skin was not super smooth but what a beauty she was, as a matter of fact, SEAJoe liked her so much, he wanted to take her but she will not do a Double, so he most likely will do her at this afternoon instead. Anyways, because there were only 3 of us in the room, we couldn't play a lot of the games we wanted to play so it would be a lot more fun if we can group up and go there in a big party (i.e. 6 or more...); nevertheless, we had an awesome time. I won't go into too much detail but will leave the imagination to each of you...
For you party animals out there, this place offers a great deal, 300RMB per person, all you can drink (beer only). The price includes snacks, fruit plates, service charge, performance charge, etc. 200RMB minimum tip for the DJ not included.
There are two other semi-naked KTVs (FuHao and JuangHui (ex-SWL) and two quasi-naked KTVs (CA Red and Virgin) KTVs in town but this newly found place is FULLY naked ALL night. It was a great change to the normal KTVs in town, a definite recommended stop for your next time when you are partying in CP.
For an extra 100RMB per WG to enjoy the naked KTV atmosphere, I think is a great deal as some may still want to venture to CA (more places, more variety) but it is about 1 hour away plus 100RMB - 130RMB transportation cost each way and there are the problems of convincing a WG to go to CP overnight and arranging the ladies (another 100RMB - 130RMB) to go back to CA the next morning. We have done that before but why hassle when you can get nearly the same here in CP.
This KTV has 78 rooms and they gave me a tour with the largest one being able to hold 50 plus. Also, they told me that they can make the large lounge area into a mega party room which will hold 100 plus. I think I will organize a big party on the first Saturday of next month (September 5th) at this place. Let me know if anyone is in town at that time and would like to join in.
To help ensure that this place will be able to continue to provide the naked-ktv fun and to protect the anonymity of this establishment, PM me if you want details but I ask the ISG brothers not to divulge the name and location of this establishment in the open forum. Thank you in advance!
BSD
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 15:19
Thanks, I just wandered in from the PI/Thai threads. You China guys sure know how to party. Seems a little expensive after Angeles City. Being on a budget sucks. You mentioned "600 if you then pop her" is this short time at your hotel or in-house?
Slim
For a 3-6-10 gal, she is a KTV gal who would stay with you all evening, drinking, singing, playing games with you etc at the KTV. For her "entertaining" you that evening, you pay her RMB 300 "sitting fee." If you then fancy doing her, you would NOT pay the 300 and instead ask her to go back with you to your hotel, apartment or whatever, do her once and send her off with RMB 600 in her pocket.
If you really like her and want to keep her overnight, then you would just pay her the RMB 1,000 in the morning when she leaves.
As far as being on a budget is concerned, you can go to cheaper places where the gals are 1-3-6 or some other pricing. The key is asking what the rates are prior to the start of the evening and like I said, each place has different pricing. You can also do BBS gals - which in CP runs anywhere from 130 ST/300 ON to 200/600 - again depends on what you want to spend - although at most other localities in Southern China, BBS gals are routinely to be had for 100 or 130 ST and 300 or so ON.
Then if you really are on a budget, each locality usually has places like what we on the DGG boards call the Catacombs, where gals can be had for as little as RMB 30. Cheap enuff??
SEAJ
BSDave took me to a Sauna on a weekend around 3pm, when most of the SN girls get to work and there's a large selection.
First off, I've been to Hui Hua, Virgin, and seen the Clipper's Saunas. They're nice and have all the necessary hardware, girls, and service, but IMO, they pale in comparison to this one. I have also been to 18, East Spa, and a few others in Macau as well as a couple in ZhuHai. Again, this one in CP trumps them all.
I won't disclose the name of the Sauna, but PM me or BSDave to find out.
This SN is on the main Tien Er Hu Road and not mentioned that often, but once you step out of the elevator and walk the corridors, you'll discover it's huge. There are a lot of rooms! The rooms are huge, much larger than the ones in HH, Virgin, and Clip and comparable to the ones in ZhuHai. Large and spacious with a HUGE seethrough bathroom that contains a steam room, a toilet, a large showerhead, and a shower bed. It's got it all. In the room, there's a Queen Size bed that has curtains all around the bed. There's a sofa-like seat and an exercise ball. And of course, a flat screen TV with a porn channel.
Lineup #1 had 3 girls. I immediately selected one to reserve. Good start. Lineup #2 had 15 girls. Wow! I saw 3 or 4 I wouldn't mind choosing. But I chose one and decided I wouldn't need to see any more lineups. So I had two to choose from and either one would've satisfied me. Shit, I should've done them both! The girls came in wearing gowns or nurse's uniforms or army outfits. Most importantly, you get to see legs, perky breasts, and jiggling butts that the outfits could not hide.
Inside the girl's massage kit has a mini vibrator, beads for the ass (don't know how many girls would insert those into the ass, mine would only insert them into her pussy), oils, lub, and a few sex games stuff.
Cost was 500 rmb. 300 for the girl and 200 for the room. Of course, some of the girls are 400 and perhaps some may even be 500...
Fun SN experience. 2 hours, 2 pops, plenty of fun.
Fast Eddie 48
08-17-09, 16:34
BSDave took me to a Sauna on a weekend around 3pm, when most of the SN girls get to work and there's a large selection.
First off, I've been to Hui Hua, Virgin, and seen the Clipper's Saunas. They're nice and have all the necessary hardware, girls, and service, but IMO, they pale in comparison to this one. I have also been to 18, East Spa, and a few others in Macau as well as a couple in ZhuHai. Again, this one in CP trumps them all.
I won't disclose the name of the Sauna, but PM me or BSDave to find out.
This SN is on the main Tien Er Hu Road and not mentioned that often, but once you step out of the elevator and walk the corridors, you'll discover it's huge. There are a lot of rooms! The rooms are huge, much larger than the ones in HH, Virgin, and Clip and comparable to the ones in ZhuHai. Large and spacious with a HUGE seethrough bathroom that contains a steam room, a toilet, a large showerhead, and a shower bed. It's got it all. In the room, there's a Queen Size bed that has curtains all around the bed. There's a sofa-like seat and an exercise ball. And of course, a flat screen TV with a porn channel.
Lineup #1 had 3 girls. I immediately selected one to reserve. Good start. Lineup #2 had 15 girls. Wow! I saw 3 or 4 I wouldn't mind choosing. But I chose one and decided I wouldn't need to see any more lineups. So I had two to choose from and either one would've satisfied me. Shit, I should've done them both! The girls came in wearing gowns or nurse's uniforms or army outfits. Most importantly, you get to see legs, perky breasts, and jiggling butts that the outfits could not hide.
Inside the girl's massage kit has a mini vibrator, beads for the ass (don't know how many girls would insert those into the ass, mine would only insert them into her pussy), oils, lub, and a few sex games stuff.
Cost was 500 rmb. 300 for the girl and 200 for the room. Of course, some of the girls are 400 and perhaps some may even be 500...
Fun SN experience. 2 hours, 2 pops, plenty of fun.Bruce T,
Why the secret are you holding out on us, this forum is to share info with ISG member, next time if you ask question see what kind of answer you will get.
Fast Eddie 48
But the strip KTVs do distinguish themselves. So I was happy going to any one of the classic CP KTVs.
Also, the top saunas (Virgin, HH, Miraton, Clipper) are also basically the same thing. In each of those places, some girls "put out" more than others...it is the luck of the draw (or the luck of a recommendation).
There should be some house rules for everyone in the group who decides to go to a strip KTV. First rule is NO girlfriends, BBS takeouts, or regulars who are from other KTVs. Everyone in the group has to choose or bring a girl willing to strip. Second rule is NO BBS run that afternoon. Shooting your wad (pulling a wadman...hahaha) in the afternoon makes a guy more subdued and not as eager to grope. I did a girl an hour before going to a strip KTV and I was kinda ready to doze off...same thing with another guy that night. Third rule is if everyone agrees to attend beforehand, but for whatever reason does not attend, he has to throw in the 250 sitting fee for a girl so the group can get a girl, get her to strip, and grope her. Even if the guy does not show, a girl must be present. Fourth rule is no selecting girls who would not strip. What the hell's the point? She could be "unavailable" for the night, but as long as she strips, she's welcomed.
Any other rules, please contribute.
And yeah, strip KTVs can disguish themselves and worth flying halfway around the world for.
This SN sounds like Hui Mei.
BSDave took me to a Sauna on a weekend around 3pm, when most of the SN girls get to work and there's a large selection.
First off, I've been to Hui Hua, Virgin, and seen the Clipper's Saunas. They're nice and have all the necessary hardware, girls, and service, but IMO, they pale in comparison to this one. I have also been to 18, East Spa, and a few others in Macau as well as a couple in ZhuHai. Again, this one in CP trumps them all.
I won't disclose the name of the Sauna, but PM me or BSDave to find out.
This SN is on the main Tien Er Hu Road and not mentioned that often, but once you step out of the elevator and walk the corridors, you'll discover it's huge. There are a lot of rooms! The rooms are huge, much larger than the ones in HH, Virgin, and Clip and comparable to the ones in ZhuHai. Large and spacious with a HUGE seethrough bathroom that contains a steam room, a toilet, a large showerhead, and a shower bed. It's got it all. In the room, there's a Queen Size bed that has curtains all around the bed. There's a sofa-like seat and an exercise ball. And of course, a flat screen TV with a porn channel.
Lineup #1 had 3 girls. I immediately selected one to reserve. Good start. Lineup #2 had 15 girls. Wow! I saw 3 or 4 I wouldn't mind choosing. But I chose one and decided I wouldn't need to see any more lineups. So I had two to choose from and either one would've satisfied me. Shit, I should've done them both! The girls came in wearing gowns or nurse's uniforms or army outfits. Most importantly, you get to see legs, perky breasts, and jiggling butts that the outfits could not hide.
Inside the girl's massage kit has a mini vibrator, beads for the ass (don't know how many girls would insert those into the ass, mine would only insert them into her pussy), oils, lub, and a few sex games stuff.
Cost was 500 rmb. 300 for the girl and 200 for the room. Of course, some of the girls are 400 and perhaps some may even be 500...
Fun SN experience. 2 hours, 2 pops, plenty of fun.
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 17:44
There should be some house rules for everyone in the group who decides to go to a strip KTV. First rule is NO girlfriends, BBS takeouts, or regulars who are from other KTVs. Everyone in the group has to choose or bring a girl willing to strip. Second rule is NO BBS run that afternoon. Shooting your wad (pulling a wadman...hahaha) in the afternoon makes a guy more subdued and not as eager to grope. I did a girl an hour before going to a strip KTV and I was kinda ready to doze off...same thing with another guy that night. Third rule is if everyone agrees to attend beforehand, but for whatever reason does not attend, he has to throw in the 250 sitting fee for a girl so the group can get a girl, get her to strip, and grope her. Even if the guy does not show, a girl must be present. Fourth rule is no selecting girls who would not strip. What the hell's the point? She could be "unavailable" for the night, but as long as she strips, she's welcomed.
Any other rules, please contribute.
And yeah, strip KTVs can disguish themselves and worth flying halfway around the world for.
Don't really know if you're just joshing around or serious about this!
There are a lot of rules that could/should be suggested - but the truth of the matter is that there is no way that any one of us is gonna "obey" the rule when it don't suit our own needs/wants/circumstances. That is just the nature of the beast.
I've in the past been appointed the "organizer" of KTV outings - and I'm so glad that that "honor" has for the most part been relegated to our BS Dave, as there is just soooooo many things that go wrong and you're looked upon to fix it all. Never mind rules - heck, even common courtesy many times do NOT exist when it comes to mongering. Lets face it, unfortunately, too many times its been every man for himself for in many cases, we are just mongering buddies i/o a regular/real friend. So how do you figure that any "rules" are gonna be adhered to - never mind enforced.
OK, granted, amongst a few of us, we have progressed from being just mongering friends - but the bond that ties us for the most part is still mongering - and therein lies the problem with rules in our pursuits!!
BTW - one of the worst part of "arranging" KTV outings IS "No-shows" as the size of the KTV room booked is very much predicated upon the number of persons expected. A "no-show" makes it expensive for the others who do show up.
And howzabout a group of guys practically begging you to book a KTV room for them as it is a week-end night and they've not been able to secure anything - and then foning you 5 minutes before they were supposed to show up to tell you that they've changed their minds and "are headed for Chang An - please join us!!" Yes - its happened to me before - with them not even realizing at all how much problems this caused. I had booked the room with a mommie friend and luckily she had a huge list of clients who she right away foned and in no time managed to re-sell the room. Otherwise she herself would have been responsible for the minimum charge of the room.
Or those who just "shows up" to say HI and have a drink with his one particular friend at the KTV and then leave without contributing anything - thinking nothing of having done so. It's worse if this same guy who just showed up for 1 drink had previously commited to coming to the KTV party - as he would have been expected to share the bill equally
I've myself previously come in for a short drink and then leave (without previously committing to attending) - but I always make it a point to leave a red Mao or two as I know that otherwise, it leaves my friend in a bit of predicament; how does he explain to the other guys that SEAJ is not sharing the bill - and the other guys WILL also be wondering the same thing.
just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-17-09, 18:16
Bruce T,
Why the secret are you holding out on us, this forum is to share info with ISG member, next time if you ask question see what kind of answer you will get.
Fast Eddie 48
Oh Eddie - we do need to be a bit circumspect these days as there's just too much LE activities happening right now.
You monger all over the place and thus don't realy care if one place or another goes down - you're still able to get action "somewhere, somehow"
Those of us who stick to one place or another ARE concerned that too much info - to one and sundry on a public forum as ISG - will lead to unfortunate results.
Besides which - what's so hard about writing a PMS to Bruce if you want to know the info?
Like Flyguy 1974's post to ask BSD to "publish" the info on the naked CP KTV - what.... let everybody (whether a guest, a non-paying member, OR non-contributing/solely lurking member) know everything about this out of the goodness of his heart? WHY???!! What for???
Besides which, we all know that Jackson wants to have more paying members to ISG - requiring them to PMS to get the info would be in line with such philosophy
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Discretion is the better part of mongering. Wasn't that the quote? With the crackdowns now adays really keeping the new edgy locations on the down low is a very good idea. i was in a city where the girls from the ktv would not go with you in a cab but went seperately fearing that if police catch them in position that looks like customer there is major issues and this is in central china and a new happening..
the ktvs have gone to quick changes for street clothes and in some cases no ktv outfits at all.
Playboy2000
08-18-09, 01:12
BTW - one of the worst part of "arranging" KTV outings IS "No-shows" as the size of the KTV room booked is very much predicated upon the number of persons expected. A "no-show" makes it expensive for the others who do show up.
I personally do not like the huge KTV parties with 10+ guys. I have the most fun when there are 3-6 guys. When the number of guys gets too big, the evening becomes impersonal. And because there are so many people, the microphone is in use (and our ears are ringing) virtually non-stop. My recommendation would be to break the party up into two rooms as soon as there are more than 6 guys.
I agree with BruceTea that it is good to have some ground rules for naked KTV: all girls must strip; every guy choses at least two sitting girls; everyone may fondle everyone else's girl. I also think it is good advice not to pop in the afternoon before the party.
Why the secret are you holding out on us, this forum is to share info with ISG member, next time if you ask question see what kind of answer you will get.
I don't mean to be selfish. I've seen this treatment on other threads on this site when referring to free proxies, local SNs with cheap/great girls, and new methods the WGs are using to get punters without the LE knowing. Everytime I PM'ed the member, I got the answer freely.
Hui Mei
Welcome to the boards! No, it's not Hui Mei. It's on the Tien Er Hu strip. Near Xin Di Disco and that Tien Er Hu Shopping Complex. I've only been to CP a few times so there could be better/newer SNs that's more impressive. I've never been to Hui Mei or New Century or the farther ones over at Dalan.
...if you're just joshing around ...
Of course I am. Rules when partying at a KTV? Come on, we're Chinese blooded, we follow NO rules!
BTW, I was refering to STRIP KTVs. Not regular ones. As Race Track mentioned, it can be distinguishing and for that to happen, a few suggestions can be followed so the girls strip, the guys are horny, and it gets festive. My first trip there no girl stripped, the guys including myself was sleepy, and we started getting ready to leave around 10:30 pm. haha, it was fun, but not strip ktv fun.
Cloud Palms
08-18-09, 03:57
Yes, I remember the shining examples of success. Many, many months ago I was a well-meaning soul, taking a brother, let's call him CLP, to CP for the first time. Young chap he is, full of youth an enthusiasm. First night, first stop, HH KTV.
He spoke bad, but passable Chinese. His eyes popped out when he saw the choices available to him. He picked a girl of his dreams. As soon as she sat down we realized that she spoke good English! He was in heaven. "Go find another one, just in case", I pass on a word of wisdom. Reluctantly and as if committing a mortal sin, he excused himself to his first angel and disappeared into the dark hallways of HH. 43 seconds later he came in with his second angel. The two girls looked at each other and exchanged a cry of delight - they were roommates. In months of professional career, fighting from guy to guy, it is the first time they got to fight side by side.
A kiss on both cheeks to our accidental hero who managed to bring their professional careers to one single juncture. The three of them spent the rest of the night pawing each other and swapping spit, right there in the KTV room. I turned to my own lady of night and said hopefully:" I want that too?" - blank stares is what I received in return.
The lucky chap looked at me and exclaim: "is CP always like this?" I shook my head:"Oh no, it is never like this. You found an English-speaking girl who digs you, and your second independent choice based on looks alone is her roommate, and they both dig you - all on your first night in CP? You lucky dog!"
Push his luck he did. When he proposed to take both birds home, they looked at each other, uttered simultaneously:" Really, you are not kidding?" Then they kissed him again in apparent delight. They sleep in the same bed every night anyways, now just another boy toy who pays them, why not!
Wow, really willing, co-operative doubles team, without compromising on looks, you...you lucky dog.
I did not get to videotape my young friend's late night festivities...but he did come back to CP again, again, and again.
Somewhere ages and ages hence, I shall be telling this with a sigh. Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, (oh no, two birds emerged from a dark corridor), and I chose the one less traveled by (while he took both to travel with), and that has made all the difference.... Sorry, Robert Frost.
I resolved that I would ask my young friend one day....perhaps before we are both old and gray, in all his travels hence, did he find a better doubles KTV pair?
Onward I dream, a smile rising from another evening of mundane...
Jim, you remember that night better than I do. Imagine that, a newbie to CP leaving that much of an impression on the wise one Jim Traveller. As much as I would like to let your imagination run wild, I'll share what happened afterwards.
Once we got in the hotel room the two girls could not wait to get started. The english speaking one had huge D tits and a spectacular body. The other one was very face pretty gorgeous. We all showered together with them seeming like theyve showered together before, but this was their first time together with a guy I am sure.
The doubles session started with one giving me a BJ and me kissing the other, then alternate. Both sucking nipples, me fondling the big tits and fingering the other. When I was doing one in the back I got an assist push from behind. Did it once again in the morning and off they went. It was a pretty damn good doubles session, none of that girl waiting in the bathroom until youre done then switch. This was def a top 3-5 ktv I've ever had.
Unfortunately this was as good as it got. Back in CP a few months later, I got in touch with the english speaking one and it turns out the two girls were very violent with each other afterwards and they split up. She ended up quitting being a WG after about a month. She still lives in CP but now has some sort of office job or teaching position. And her demeanor not surprisingly did a 180 as she no longer was a WG without the makeup and clothes and did not even enjoy sex then.
But hell who am I kidding that first ktv night was the best ever I had, because it was the first eye popping experience of a ktv for a western guy and I met two awesome girls that night with Jim and had a great time. I've had some ok ones afterwards but none as good as this one. Jim, I am glad I was able to make you smile from this, I think about all the fun you, BSD, SEAJoe (he did 3 girls on his bday I hear???) and Wadman have week in and week out in CP and that cheers me up also.
Btw I know it isnt the same but why not just do a double sauna after the ktv? Confirm the deal with them and if theyre not into it just send them away. Not as cost-efficient as the Jimmy trick but from my POV if youre dead drunk you wont know the difference between the girls and youll get guaranteed good service from a hot pair of sauna girls that you choose. Thatll be on my to-do list. Until next time friends...
I tend to agree on the 3-6 guy rule, it is hard enough to socialize with everyone with that, but sometimes for a change it is really nice to have a giant room with alot of people. the large rooms often have play 'areas' and large areas for dancing if the girls/guys are into that.
it is something that doesn't happen that often and that makes it fun especially if you get the girls dancing as the smaller rooms can get pretty filled and if you can't upgrade the room you have too many guys in a small room - that is much more annoying.
on no shows - totally agree. that is a pain in the ass. i have been a few times where 3/6 have no show leaving 3 of us with a 6 person room... it sucks but karma comes around.
of course having BSD or SEAJ handle the bill in a bigger group and totally out to 200 makes up for it a bit.
Then if you really are on a budget, each locality usually has places like what we on the DGG boards call the Catacombs, where gals can be had for as little as RMB 30. Cheap enuff??
SEAJ
When I was stationed on Okinawa we called it "Whisper Alley."
Thanks for cluing in the uninformed.
Slim
SE Asia Joe
08-18-09, 07:23
Let's all of us be reminded that - as what Jettsetter and many of us have said time and time again - the most important reason for us to go to a KTV is the camaraderie for us mongers in this setting.
Instead of rules, we should all come to the KTV with a bit consideration for the others in the room (common decency - is that the correct terminology??), for rules will just make the whole thing too institutionalized/impersonal.
Make notes to oneself to consider others - and I'll be the first one to start making notes to myself:
- Self: nobody but yourself appreciate your singing - so don't dominate the mike!
- Self: make sure that the gal sitting with you also don't dominate the mike.
- Self: stop groping other guyses' gals - or at least make sure the guy ain't gonna get all uppity/willing to go along with the merriment.
- Self - let it be known that your gal IS open to all comers as far as YOU're concerned (another story what the gal thinks!!)
- Self: some guys do think of themselves as great singers - tolerate and smile
- Self: don't drink and eat as if there's no tomorrow - others are sharing the bill, and if you do partake more than your fair share, then offer to pay for your fair share
- Self: make sure you either say a definite YES or a definite NO when invited to join.
- Self: join in all the stupid games (and the stupid drinking you need to do as you always lose!) - that's what camaraderie is all about!
OK enuff from me - howzabout you guys adding to my notes to "self" - and then remembering 'em next time you're out partying with us. NO rules, no regulations, just self restraint.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-18-09, 07:35
BTW, I was refering to STRIP KTVs. Not regular ones. As Race Track mentioned, it can be distinguishing and for that to happen, a few suggestions can be followed so the girls strip, the guys are horny, and it gets festive. My first trip there no girl stripped, the guys including myself was sleepy, and we started getting ready to leave around 10:30 pm. haha, it was fun, but not strip ktv fun.
OK - I CAN see the need for SPECIAL rules for naked KTV's as we certainly don't want "wet blankets" when partying at such a place.
Girl Friends, Take-ins, spotty choice between naked and non naked gals etc all contribute to the general toning down of the gals' performance for the evening.
Guys being possessive with their chosen gal (What?? Are they WG's or your GF??), not going along with all the silliness etc are also major pain in the ass when visiting these joints. OK - Howzabout being "weird" at a naked KTV?? Yup - I do know that there actually ARE guys who start acting up weird at a naked KTV - talk about wet blanket!!
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
08-18-09, 07:46
Let's all of us be reminded that - as what Jettsetter and many of us have said time and time again - the most important reason for us to go to a KTV is the camaraderie for us mongers in this setting.
Instead of rules, we should all come to the KTV with a bit consideration for the others in the room (common decency - is that the correct terminology??), for rules will just make the whole thing too institutionalized/impersonal.
Make notes to oneself to consider others - and I'll be the first one to start making notes to myself:
- Self: nobody but yourself appreciate your singing - so don't dominate the mike!
- Self: make sure that the gal sitting with you also don't dominate the mike.
- Self: stop groping other guyses' gals - or at least make sure the guy ain't gonna get all uppity/willing to go along with the merriment.
- Self - let it be known that your gal IS open to all comers as far as YOU're concerned (another story what the gal thinks!!)
- Self: some guys do think of themselves as great singers - tolerate and smile
- Self: don't drink and eat as if there's no tomorrow - others are sharing the bill, and if you do partake more than your fair share, then offer to pay for your fair share
- Self: make sure you either say a definite YES or a definite NO when invited to join.
- Self: join in all the stupid games (and the stupid drinking you need to do as you always lose!) - that's what camaraderie is all about!
OK enuff from me - howzabout you guys adding to my notes to "self" - and then remembering 'em next time you're out partying with us. NO rules, no regulations, just self restraint.
SEAJJeez uncle Joe
I am very confuse on your ten commandments, first you said thou shalt not grop other guy girl and then you said let your girl open to everyone ,I am confuse and what up with that ,do this rule apply at the naked KTV or it is everything goes there .
Fast eddie 48
- Self: stop groping other guyses' gals - or at least make sure the guy ain't gonna get all uppity/willing to go along with the merriment.
SEAJ
Think you misspelled your handle above... didn't you mean to write Seaj not self? lol.
yeah a bit of consideration goes a long way, but frankly i don't mind Joe crooning Massasschusetts and groping my gal by the Sensei Joe is permissible.
i agree on nude ktv no outside girls. it would be worse than posting it as word would travel quickly in small CP.
Welcome to the boards! No, it's not Hui Mei. It's on the Tien Er Hu strip. Near Xin Di Disco and that Tien Er Hu Shopping Complex. I've only been to CP a few times so there could be better/newer SNs that's more impressive. I've never been to Hui Mei or New Century or the farther ones over at Dalan.Thanks, isn't Hui Mei the SN inside Tien Er Hu shopping complex? 4th floor? That one has those uniforms you were mentioning, army, nurse, etc.
SE Asia Joe
08-19-09, 07:33
Jeez uncle Joe
I am very confuse on your ten commandments, first you said thou shalt not grop other guy girl and then you said let your girl open to everyone ,I am confuse and what up with that ,do this rule apply at the naked KTV or it is everything goes there .
Fast eddie 48
Stay confused!
Hell, EVERYBODY knows that you grope ALL the gals - whether at a KTV, at a BBS, at sauna line-ups or even at the Catacombs.
I'll just bxxch-slap you around the next time you come with us and make a transgression.
SEAJ
Day 2.
This was my favorite ktv in the past, not too big, lots of girls and very reasonable prices made it our most frequent joint.
What has changed? Not a lot. On a Monday night my friend and I had a room booked and we showed up just after 6pm. Same place, almost as many girls but you could easily see the desperation with the mommies.
This was the MOST aggressive bunch of mommies I have ever encountered in CP in almost 9 years of visits. While this won't faze the seasoned pros it will make it very very uncomfortable for newbies and guys who are a little shy. The mommies where throwing girls at you constantly and blocking your way to get by. I had to gently but forcefully push past them after rejecting their girls over and over again. This caused us to get separated a lot as my friend had a harder time getting past these aggressive mommies. I don't think they realize that you can't get a good look at their girls when they are only 2 inches away from your face!
This part of the night is usually quite fun for us as how often do you get to check out hundreds and hundreds of girls lined up for you to pick. Every man's fantasy or nightmare if they are all pork chops.
We eventually made our 2 picks each and where quite happy with them. As always, once in the room you can easily see the pecking order of the girls and which one is more aggressive and such. The girls were friendly and we slowly but silently made our mental picks of which girl to keep for the after ktv fun. A word of advice for newbies, never, never let the girls know too early who is getting pick and who is not. It totally ruins the fun if half of the girls know they are out of the running and decide that there is no point in trying to make it fun for you as they will get their sitting fee regardless.
Beer was BOGO free and we were also given a good amount of free beer and food. Total damage for the ktv was 500 rmb each which included the DJ fee. This was half price compared to our previous night at the Mayflower. We did move to the Mayflower hotel from Miraton though as it was 100rmb cheaper and much more quiet.
And so went our second night in Heaven on Earth otherwise known as CP.
Cheers,
GZ
I'll be heading over to DG this weekend from HK for 1 night, any others going to be around for some fun? Please use PM.
Thanks
Fast Eddie 48
08-19-09, 16:48
Stay confused!
Hell, EVERYBODY knows that you grope ALL the gals - whether at a KTV, at a BBS, at sauna line-ups or even at the Catacombs.
I'll just bxxch-slap you around the next time you come with us and make a transgression.
SEAJSeaj,
I am a true gentlemen not like you, I am alway the quiet one and I don't drink maybe when I am at the naked KTV I am a different person turn in to crazy Joe.
Fast Eddie 48
OldAsiaHand
08-19-09, 17:50
OAH,
I must said hat off to mr OAH ,you are a brave man I been to Catacomb 3 time never did a girl there yet ,I never can find a girl that do BBBJ or a house that is clean enough for me ,so mr OAH I know that you have done a girl there once but have you gone back for sloppy second ,I think this is a life time experience I can do without .
Fast eddie 48
FE48,
Yes, you are right. BBBJ is not available, nor is CBJ for that matter. The girls just lay down, spread their legs and you stick it in. The girl I did there even tried to keep her blouse on until I asked her to remove it. You have 20 minutes to pop or there is a knock on the door.
There are no clean rooms available. They all have dirt floors and a hole in the ground for a toilet. They stink like hell. The bed I had was simply wooden planks covered by one of those grass mat things. Hard on the knees so I asked her for cowgirl.
No, I am not going back for seconds but it was worth the experience. I do enjoy walking through and joking around with the girls sometime though. Some of them can be a lot of fun.
Just my POV.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
08-19-09, 17:57
Day 2.
Total damage for the ktv was 500 rmb each which included the DJ fee. This was half price compared to our previous night at the Mayflower. We did move to the Mayflower hotel from Miraton though as it was 100rmb cheaper and much more quiet.
And so went our second night in Heaven on Earth otherwise known as CP.
Cheers,
GZ
WOW!!! RMB 500 EACH for the Jia Yi and RMB 1,000 EACH for the Mayflower??!!
WHAT???
Hate to point this out but those charges are way too high! There's no way that you normally can drink beer and/or eat that much at these 2 places. Truly believe that the Managers/mommies pulled a fast one on you guys.
Did you get a hold of BS Dave or some other guys to make sure that you did not get padded on your bill?
Apologize if I seem to be incredulous etc - I'm not - as I know that guys do regularly get fleeced by these managers/mommies unless there is somebody in your party who will put their feet down.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Da Dicknotist
08-19-09, 18:51
Why is 1000 so ridiculous for 2 men and 4 women in a KTV? Assuming 200 DJ fee, 800 RMB is around 2 bottles of liquor plus chasers and fruit platter, and that's assuming you don't drink super expensive stuff... If you're heavy drinkers, and the KTV girls certainly are, that doesn't sound that high.
I think an additional hint for KTV is that you can send girls back within the first 10 minutes for no fee, and I've argued with the mamasans if I don't like the girl within an hour to pay 50 or 100 (or nothing, if I have a legit gripe) within the first thirty minutes.
Near the end of the night I get the phone numbers of all the girls I might be interested in at a future time. If you play your cards right, the girls should be fighting to get you to take them home! There's definitely room for negotiation on the takeout fees, by the way...
WOW!!! RMB 500 EACH for the Jia Yi and RMB 1,000 EACH for the Mayflower??!!
WHAT???
Hate to point this out but those charges are way too high! There's no way that you normally can drink beer and/or eat that much at these 2 places. Truly believe that the Managers/mommies pulled a fast one on you guys.
Did you get a hold of BS Dave or some other guys to make sure that you did not get padded on your bill?
Apologize if I seem to be incredulous etc - I'm not - as I know that guys do regularly get fleeced by these managers/mommies unless there is somebody in your party who will put their feet down.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
There's definitely room for negotiation on the takeout fees, by the way...
Good hints, thanks!
Can you elaborate on negotiating takeout fees? I'm interested in this.
Thanks, isn't Hui Mei the SN inside Tien Er Hu shopping complex? 4th floor? That one has those uniforms you were mentioning, army, nurse, etc.Sorry. Hotel name should have been Mei Bao. Am I right?
Well i was there for a good time - not a long time. I was absolutely comfortable to have the quality and convenience of the choice at RG, and i was astounded at the choice in Mflower.
I could wonder whether i would be better off paying 6 or 800 rather than 1000 for:
1. The pleasure of the choice process at around 5:30 6:00pm.
2. Singing/dancing groping/laughing/drinking (repeat that sequence several times not always in that order) for several hours getting to know you time.
3. All night several pops
4. The fun in deciding whether to keep the girl from previous night for another night.
But i found myself doing 1,2,3,4 every day for several days, plus golf, so i didn't have time to wonder!
Yes in Bkk you can get LT cheaper but i do not think the whole experience is directly comparable. (and i do have a lot of great and memorable experiences in Thailand)
The advice to choose 2 and not let on which one is going to win is good advice. Those girls have to buy their outfit from the establishment. The outfit is changed regularly so that forces the regular purchase of outfit by the girl. The girls/Mami's have to pay a fee for each girl to sit there (repayable by the girl) so they are very keen to be chosen, and more importantly, they are very keen to be chosen to go for the bigger money.
I want to go back there ! And i want to learn Mandarin.
Ozirob
WOW!!! RMB 500 EACH for the Jia Yi and RMB 1,000 EACH for the Mayflower??!!
WHAT???
Hate to point this out but those charges are way too high! There's no way that you normally can drink beer and/or eat that much at these 2 places. Truly believe that the Managers/mommies pulled a fast one on you guys.
Did you get a hold of BS Dave or some other guys to make sure that you did not get padded on your bill?
Apologize if I seem to be incredulous etc - I'm not - as I know that guys do regularly get fleeced by these managers/mommies unless there is somebody in your party who will put their feet down.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SEAJ....Thanks for your concern but I looked over the bills and they didn't pull any fast ones on us that I could see. At Tao Yuan we ordered 18 beers @ 43-45 rmb and a few snacks that were not given. Take off the 20% discount they gave us and add on the 10% service charge and you get about 800 rmb without the DJ fee. I don't see how they cheated us? I realize that some of the ktvs you regulars go to are cheaper but we didn't go to them. That night we drank 54 (18 paid, 18 bogo, and 18 on the house) beers between the 6 of us which gave us a little buzz but allowed us to continue the fun back at our hotel.
At the Mayflower, the beer isn't buy one get one. I believe that it is buy 3 get 2. We drank a lot more, paid for 36 beers @ 43-45 rmb and ordered some food. Their small room is bigger though and they give you more fruit platters that they charge you for. We also got about 18 free beers and some free snacks from the management so we had 78 beers but could only finish 71 and carded the rest for next time. They only gave a 12% discount promotion that they were running for their Grand Opening which has lasted a while now. Obviously there are cheaper ktvs in CP but we wanted to check it out as it is relatively new. I find their pricing very similar to Prince, which I don't think is really worth it either. Not impressed with their girls and their 2 tiered girl prices last time there.
Oh, a word of advice for those going to Mayflower for the first time. Only 1 DJ is required for the small ktv room. They tried to force 2 on us one night calling it a medium room but then changing their story to the fact that the 2 DJs were waiting in our room for 1/2 hour while we picked girls. I flat out refused to keep 2 DJs as that was simply bullshit. I didn't ask for 2 and it wasn't my fault if they waited a 1/2 hour. They are simply trying to get work for as many DJs as possible each night. Why would I pay 200 for an extra DJ when I can choose another girl for the same amount?
Cheers,
GZ
Member #4144
08-20-09, 16:15
I have never been to CP and I am sorry that my first post to this thread is to ask questions. I promise that I will write my report my first CP experience. I would greatly appreciate other brothers to help my out on this one.
I come to China(Guangzhou) to work and in the last few years I have been going down to Zhuhai after work to say at the BayView and goto the ktv at popoko. I have to go alone because of my tight schedule, as I must finish work in GZ first before heading out so when I arrive ZH, or CP for that matter, it will usually be after 9pm. My experience in ZH has been excellent, but the trip down from GZ is a bit far, so I am now thinking to switch to CP.
Here then come my basic questions (ktv only, as that is the only thing I am interested)
1. Where should I go in CP for small ktv room? In ZH, a small ktv room would run about 500 as the minimum charge. I would usually get two bottles of red wine. So far, I have no been able to find info on typical minimum room charges in CP on this thread, and I have been reading.
2. I assume I must hire a DJ in CP, while in ZH, no DJ needed, so DJ is typically 200? and does it mean I can play with the DJ too so I can save on one sitting girl? In ZH, there is no DJ and I usually pick 3 girls and the most GFE will then go back to my hotel.
3. Arriving late. I seem to get the impression that there is a rush to get to ktv early in CP. Since I cannot get out of work early in GZ, by the time I get to CP, it would most likely be after 10pm. Will I end up with only pork chops? In ZH, I can still find 8's 9's girls that late since some Macau guys have to go back home and thus releasing their girls. Would this also be true in CP for like some HK guys?
Thanks a lot for helping a new guy out.
Travel Dog
08-21-09, 02:55
Quick note: I took a few customers to one of Chang An's Naked KTVs "Xing ze Xing" Tuesday night. Happy to report everything is now back to normal, as wild as ever. There were five of us guys all together. Added six or seven girls at 2-5-8. We drank the red wine mixed 50-50 with 7-up. Had a great time. Naked dancing, nude lap dances. Highly recommended. Total bill just under 1000RMB....plus DJ tip.
TD
Quick note: I took a few customers to one of Chang An's Naked KTVs "Xing ze Xing" Tuesday night. Happy to report everything is now back to normal, as wild as ever. Highly recommended. Total bill just under 1000RMB....plus DJ tip.
The DJs are hot there. The one selected for us was smoking hot. BigBoobMan wanted to change her for another....hahaha....Traveler and I were in disbelief. But after 10 minutes she was back. Yeah, not many DJs as hot as the one we had.
I also saw a few during that daily raffle game where they give away red wine, teddy bears, even a cell phone. I think it's at 10 pm or so, I can't remember, but all the customers, DJs, and girls go down and see if he/she wins. While there, you get to see all the selected girls, the customers, and the DJs. And yeah, some of the DJs were hot/cute/pretty.
My girl from "Xing ze Xing" sucked. Too young I guess. Was a poor choice by me as she did no singing, no drinking, no chatting, and pretty much just sat there texting in her phone or disappearing into the bathroom for like 10 minutes at a time. Totally my poor judgment by me but Traveler's and BBM's girls took care of them and allowed them touching and kissing. Yeah, for them, CA's naked KTV is fun and I think it is as well.
We got a pretty big room (only 3 guys) which I guess is possible on a slow weekday night. It had a majong table in a seperate room. Red wine and 7 up which was not finished and I think a platter of fried rice. I think the bill came out to be around 900 including DJ fees for the 3 of us.
1. Where should I go in CP for small ktv room?
2. I assume I must hire a DJ in CP, while in ZH, no DJ needed,
3. Arriving late. I seem to get the impression that there is a rush to get to ktv early in CP.
1. depending on the night you can get a small room in a few places. I prefer PP on non-prime night as you can simply lay down the law (500-600) and skip the DJ if you want. if you want DJ, yes they will play games etc. after all it is boring just playing songs and pouring drinks. I also have done at Jia Yi and know that as long as you set the ground rules on a non friday/sat you can do it. Friday and Sat most prime places get very full and even small rooms are hard to come by without reservation. Sunday/Mon/Tues are the slowest nights.
PP used to have 'drinking guys' that pretended to be sub-managers and their goal was to go around drinking beer with customers to increase consumption. usually this is annoying, however i made friends with a few of them and they can be a good drinking buddy in the KTV and also know the girls so can help you select. PM me for my PP solo drinking buddy.
2. as above, sometimes on non-prime night dj can be optional although it can be a fight to say no and often they can be super cute.
3. Yes very early - flower streets are trampled by 7.00 the latest. sometimes 6.45. however coming around 10pm gives you the option to get the rejects from the first round, guy chooses 2 takes one out and one thrown back. figure they take two cuties getting there early, drinking early, leaving 10-12 and therefore you get their tossaway which is still cute not a pig. also if you book through mommie and establish relationship you can have her find them on arrival. i'm not sure they would hold a room that late on fri/sat especially for room min.
You can also sit in main area at a few places (Jia Yi, HH, Ban Dao, Crown Prince, Mayflower, ..) after choosing a girl. No DJ, min table fee (200?) and you can pick girls to sit there but sometimes it is very very loud.
BSD knows more than I on this, but I have solo'd in CP with limited mandarin and it can be done - it isn't that fun. with no mandarin you are a sitting duck.
you might have more fun getting some KTV girls or from BBS and going to L.A. Bar to hang out across from Miraton. you could even go into some ktvs pick girl and leave at that hour without fine (Jia yi?...)
Jettsetter
08-21-09, 12:24
OK - I CAN see the need for SPECIAL rules for naked KTV's as we certainly don't want "wet blankets" when partying at such a place.
Girl Friends, Take-ins, spotty choice between naked and non naked gals etc all contribute to the general toning down of the gals' performance for the evening.
Guys being possessive with their chosen gal (What?? Are they WG's or your GF??), not going along with all the silliness etc are also major pain in the ass when visiting these joints. OK - Howzabout being "weird" at a naked KTV?? Yup - I do know that there actually ARE guys who start acting up weird at a naked KTV - talk about wet blanket!!
SEAJ
Folks, Sharing is caring right? while I have no problem sharing my gal for the fun of it, I would request that if you're going to play my girl that you don't try to stick your tongue down her throat... after all, I may have to kiss that (depending on the gal), and I don't want your reminants in there, at least no on my dime...
I don't think I've ever experienced this, as most mongers are kind enough to just get their number and sample her at some other time AFTER I am done with her :)...
enjoy the sloppy 432nds... hahaha...
but I think there would be a line not to be crossed...
that is 1. have fun with my girl, feel her up, play with her, no problem... 2. do not try to make out with her on my dime... I mean I've buttered her up and paid for her time and while I don't mind sharing, you can have her AFTER I am done with her... :)... 3. be respectful.. you're playing wing man, so help your brother out to make him the stud in her eyes that he is ... don't try to feed your own ego and put down the other guy in front of these gals... you want your buddy to have a good session back in the room...
honestly I've never had a problem with anybody I've hung out with before... most dudes are very cool... but I guess if I were going to get a little annoyed, it might be in one of the two situations above...
we're just there to have fun... bros before ho's... remember that.
Member #4144
08-21-09, 14:43
Great info from Freepeaks, thanks a lot.
1. .. I prefer PP on non-prime night .. Is PP close to the center of actions? I will most likely stay at Miroton to be in the best location. I also read from the HK141 forum some bad reviews about PP, but that guy also didnt have good things to say about most CP ktv, and others there seem to think CA ktv are offering far better deals. Well, I have never been to CP/CA and CP is easier to commute from GZ so I will take my chance with CP first.
3. Yes very early - flower streets are trampled by 7.00 the latest. sometimes 6.45. however coming around 10pm gives you the option to get the rejects from the first round... This might be a big problem for me, or might drive me back to ZH, but I will try to push my luck anyway and see what happen.
You can also sit in main area at a few places. I have never seen reports from people about sitting in the main area, so I might also try that and write a report.
I have done a small room at Jia Yi, Ban dao, Swan Lake (now moved) and PP. Pretty much the KTV cost is realted to the hotel cost. HH and Crown prince are more expensive. Miraton never been. Virgin might also be an option for a solo KTV. i saw alot of smaller rooms there.
Never been to Zhuhai though it is on my list. I think the saunas in CP would disappoint you on cost, selection and quality. CA has wilder KTVs that you might like.
There is also a BYOG (bring your own girl) KTV somewhere across from Miraton i think. that is also an option but okay if you arrive late.
arriving later you might also want to target the less popular ktvs as they might not be full.
Playboy2000
08-23-09, 02:44
bros before ho's... remember that.
Great phrase! And I second that.
ManonsanBoy
08-23-09, 06:01
How far is the trip and where are the buses from CP to airport?
I have a midday trip out of Bao An and have decided to relax the night before in CP
Fast Eddie 48
08-23-09, 06:36
How far is the trip and where are the buses from CP to airport?
I have a midday trip out of Bao An and have decided to relax the night before in CPManonsanboy,
The bus can take up to 1hr 30 min with traffic, the travel serivce next to lion hotel have a bus service but only once a day around 11. Am, price is included with airline ticket purchase.
Fast Eddie 48
Previous posts mention that the Swan Lake KTV (BBS in afternoon, KTV in evening) is being remodeled.
I'm confused as to whether there are 2 Swan Lake KTV's currently operating. On 7/30/09 BSD writes about the new Swan Lake KTV, Juang Hui, and on 8/15/09 SEAJ writes about the old Swan Lake KTV, ChuanYu.
Anyone care to clarify?
For safety reasons I plan on taking the advice on a previous post and stick with Swan Lake KTV for my BBS viewing.
Thanks
SE Asia Joe
08-23-09, 17:13
Previous posts mention that the Swan Lake KTV (BBS in afternoon, KTV in evening) is being remodeled.
I'm confused as to whether there are 2 Swan Lake KTV's currently operating. On 7/30/09 BSD writes about the new Swan Lake KTV, Juang Hui, and on 8/15/09 SEAJ writes about the old Swan Lake KTV, ChuanYu.
Anyone care to clarify?
For safety reasons I plan on taking the advice on a previous post and stick with Swan Lake KTV for my BBS viewing.
Thanks
The Swan Lake KTV is history/being remodelled.
The Gals and their mommies pulled up stakes and moved to new premises which I refer to by my transliteration from Cantonese as being Chuan Yu and which I guess BSD translates from its Putonghua name as JuangHui. We both refer to the same place located in front of the Manhattan Serviced apartments.
And why stick only to this place for your BBS viewing?
SEAJ
Jim Traveller
08-23-09, 19:24
Most travel agencies in CP offer a daily free bus service to the Shenzhen airport, some, like the one at the lion, charges a rmb 20 "insurance" for the bus service.
The "bus" is typically a 7-seater minivan, it usually has one departure daily so it may not be convenient for your flight. Also, the agency at the Lion has the nasty habbit of stuffing as many people as it pleases into the Van. a seven seater can taken on, say 10 passageners. Yes, it is a saving of almost rmb 200 compared to a private car, but considering the extra time waiting for the Van, and most importantly the hassle of sharing the Van with more than the standard load of common folks (I am being elitist) sweating through the summer heat - I say to myself, never again.
cheers bros
Manonsanboy,
The bus can take up to 1hr 30 min with traffic, the travel serivce next to lion hotel have a bus service but only once a day around 11. Am, price is included with airline ticket purchase.
Fast Eddie 48
The Swan Lake KTV is history/being remodelled.
The Gals and their mommies pulled up stakes and moved to new premises which I refer to by my transliteration from Cantonese as being Chuan Yu and which I guess BSD translates from its Putonghua name as JuangHui. We both refer to the same place located in front of the Manhattan Serviced apartments.
And why stick only to this place for your BBS viewing?
SEAJ
SEAJ,
Thanks for the clarification.
I'm planning to stick with the SWL BBS for safety reasons. I went to the Yalan area before, but I just don't think the risk is worth it for me anymore. For the SWL, it's a simple matter of hotel-taxi-SWL-taxi-hotel. Of course if any of you guys are in town at the same time, I'm game for round of BBS touring.
I guess it's the age. As I get older my risk tolerance decreases. I originally left CP off of the itinerary, but somehow I just feel this need to come home:)
Minkfan
Car service to Shenzhen airport should be 200-250. Small price to pay for safety. best to get recommendation for car service (via PM) as the guys outside the hotel add 50-100 to price for the hotel kickback. you can negotiate down though. at HH i got a guy to 200 for Shenzhen airport, which is good. I think i paid 230 last time from my regular driver- gas prices...
You can leave when you want, have A/C and be on time. figuring missing a flight will cost you at least that to change. Vans often charge extra for large luggage (van to HK airport charges 150 for extra bag).
coming the other way you can simply get a car service to pick you up, same fee. do not take gypsy cabs from airport. they are dangerous and you are at their will. learn from my experience and others.
cheers.
OldAsiaHand
08-24-09, 04:55
How far is the trip and where are the buses from CP to airport?
I have a midday trip out of Bao An and have decided to relax the night before in CP
By taxi, it should take less than an hour to reach the airport.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
08-24-09, 06:42
By taxi, it should take less than an hour to reach the airport.
OAHOAH,
Most Local CP taxi driver are new in the area don't know the way to the airort,I have a buddy miss a flight last yr the taxi driver charge 250 rmb from Dalang to shenzhen airport he didn't know the way ,the taxi guy let my friend off on Mei lin border and he have to get another taxi to the airport take over 2 hr ,so have your hotel recommend a driver or van service or give yourself some extra time .
Fast eddie 48
Happy Lenny
08-24-09, 18:06
Can't locate any maps of CP for references for any locations everyone talks about. My question is the distances involved between the mongering venues: bbs,sauna and watering hole etc.
for ex: from hui mei bbs to yalan bbs , walter (catacom. places), lotus bars, nite market.
Reason need distance so I know if I didn't like what I see in one area if it's walking distance to another site (assuming its during day as some have suggested best to taxi everywhere at nite).
or best if someone had a map of CP that can be downloaded or a website.
thanks
SharkSomething like this help?
Something like this help?
I posted a sat map of CP on 09-28-06 at 04:05. The easiest way would probably be to do a search, since it is in the 2006 dongguan archives by now.
Black Cube
08-25-09, 05:24
Hi guys,
Am new to the whole principle of KTV! Can anybody tell me what is the principle of charges there. What is the 1-2-7 or so the guys here are talking about!
Though I know it sounds too n00bie to ask that.
Fast Eddie 48
08-25-09, 07:28
Hi guys,
Am new to the whole principle of KTV! Can anybody tell me what is the principle of charges there. What is the 1-2-7 or so the guys here are talking about!
Though I know it sounds too n00bie to ask that.Black cube,
Mostly is 2-5-8 don't know where you get 1-2-7 .
2 -200 rmb for the girl to sit and drink with you at the ktv
500 rmb for the girl to go back with you for FS short time
800 rmb for the girl for all nighter until next morning
This is on top of drink ,DJ and ktv room charge.
Fast eddie 48
For the guys who are too lazy to do a search:
Train station is to the immediate right of the bus station.
HuiHua Hotel is right next to Miraton.
Would appreciate it if someone can add other locations (is there a Starbucks?)
OldAsiaHand
08-25-09, 13:31
For the guys who are too lazy to do a search:
Train station is to the immediate right of the bus station.
HuiHua Hotel is right next to Miraton.
Would appreciate it if someone can add other locations (is there a Starbucks?)
The Starbucks is kitty corner from the Miraton a few meters up the road. My google maps' technical expertise is limited or I would try to update your map.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
08-25-09, 13:35
OAH,
Most Local CP taxi driver are new in the area don't know the way to the airort,I have a buddy miss a flight last yr the taxi driver charge 250 rmb from Dalang to shenzhen airport he didn't know the way ,the taxi guy let my friend off on Mei lin border and he have to get another taxi to the airport take over 2 hr ,so have your hotel recommend a driver or van service or give yourself some extra time .
Fast eddie 48
FE48:
Good advice. Dalang is even closer than CP. If the guy went to Meilin, he went too far. There is a highway (Airport-Heao) that cuts across before you get to the SEZ crossing. I drove from CP - SZ airport in 45 minutes during the middle of the day a couple of weeks ago but I suppose you should allow some time for a taxi and make sure he knows the way before you start.
OAH
Fast Eddie 48
08-25-09, 16:41
FE48:
Good advice. Dalang is even closer than CP. If the guy went to Meilin, he went too far. There is a highway (Airport-Heao) that cuts across before you get to the SEZ crossing. I drove from CP - SZ airport in 45 minutes during the middle of the day a couple of weeks ago but I suppose you should allow some time for a taxi and make sure he knows the way before you start.
OAHOah,
I got a taxi last yr from CP to Humen, he turn off on the wrong exit and I have to show him the right way, he just been to town for one week, when I ask him before I get on the taxi he told me no problem, even for me come to China every 3 month, there are alway a new highway opening all the time all over China.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
08-25-09, 18:40
Hi guys,
Am new to the whole principle of KTV! Can anybody tell me what is the principle of charges there. What is the 1-2-7 or so the guys here are talking about!
Though I know it sounds too n00bie to ask that.
Try reading a few pages back - you'd be surprised at what you'd discover - even just 3 pages back:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=917864&postcount=1196
So..... you think you're a good candidate for us to tell you to RTFF??!!
SEAJ
Member #4144
08-26-09, 01:23
Hi guys,
Am new to the whole principle of KTV! Can anybody tell me what is the principle of charges there. What is the 1-2-7 or so the guys here are talking about!
Though I know it sounds too n00bie to ask that.1/2/7 or 2/6/8 aside, there are still issues with the other costs that might not have been summarized. Other CP veterans can correct me on this as I have never been to CP(will be going soon), just my Zhuhai experience and what I have learned so far by reading this board and a HK forum:
1. Room(including drinks and food), small, medium and larger. Going solo can take a small room and the cost will be 600 and up on Fri/Sat but often much less on week days. The cost will typically be some sort of minimum, but on weekdays some places will wave the minimum and you only pay for what you order, with maybe a 150 for a door openning fee. Most people are more into getting a group and getting a bigger room and thus dividing the cost up into maybe 400 per person, and having a big party is a lot of fun for ktv, but unfortunately my schedule does not usually have that kind of flexibility.
2. DJ, 200. On weekdays some places allowed for a trainee DJ for just 100
3. Tips, I think you need to tip the mamasan or the manager who helps you book the room. This would go 100-200, so again, if going solo you will be paying all that yourself.
FS
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