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SE Asia Joe
08-26-09, 07:11
1/2/7 or 2/6/8 aside, there are still issues with the other costs that might not have been summarized. Other CP veterans can correct me on this as I have never been to CP(will be going soon), just my Zhuhai experience and what I have learned so far by reading this board and a HK forum:
1. Room(including drinks and food), small, medium and larger. Going solo can take a small room and the cost will be 600 and up on Fri/Sat but often much less on week days. The cost will typically be some sort of minimum, but on weekdays some places will wave the minimum and you only pay for what you order, with maybe a 150 for a door openning fee. Most people are more into getting a group and getting a bigger room and thus dividing the cost up into maybe 400 per person, and having a big party is a lot of fun for ktv, but unfortunately my schedule does not usually have that kind of flexibility.
2. DJ, 200. On weekdays some places allowed for a trainee DJ for just 100
3. Tips, I think you need to tip the mamasan or the manager who helps you book the room. This would go 100-200, so again, if going solo you will be paying all that yourself.
FS
OK - read my pointers on KTV's
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=872633&postcount=469
does this help?
SEAJ
OK - read my pointers on KTV's
does this help?
SEAJ
Helps a bunch. Looks like you need a knowledgeable local expat to guide you through a night of debauchery. I see why you guys like to have one experienced punter set it up for a group and then split the bill at the end.
This is something I would pay the pro's portion of the charges just to go with a group for a nights entertainment.
Thanks,
Slim
Gentlemen
I am scheduled to arrive in Shenzhen late hours on October 1st , on pure mongering purposes, stay there a couple of days then move on to Changping, Zhu Hai, HKG and Macau in that order until October 15th.
Doing my homework today I read at the HKG board that October 1st to 8th is a national holiday in China. Something that I didn’t know when I did my booking.
Can someone please comment how our hobby is going to be affected? Must I try a reroute during those dates or should I proceed as planed?
Thanks
Given it was Valentine's day yesterday, i heard all Nokia phones were sold out in CP.. Joe you know anything about this? LOL couldn't resist. jk
Fyi it is the 7th day of the 7th lunar month that determines valentines day if anyone cares. i was bored and looked it up.
Big Swingin Dave
08-27-09, 01:35
Been on a 8 day KTV Marathon with no end in sight, too many people coming to town...I am no KTV expert but base on my experience, I like to clarify a few things on Fillmore St's post as follows:
1. Room(including drinks and food), small, medium and larger. Going solo can take a small room and the cost will be 600 and up on Fri/Sat but often much less on week days. The cost will typically be some sort of minimum, but on weekdays some places will wave the minimum and you only pay for what you order, with maybe a 150 for a door openning fee. Most people are more into getting a group and getting a bigger room and thus dividing the cost up into maybe 400 per person, and having a big party is a lot of fun for ktv, but unfortunately my schedule does not usually have that kind of flexibility
Cheapest weekend room (388RMB FuHao) plus service fee (10%) plus DJ fee (200RMB) will cost you 600+ minimum and that does not include any drinks (maybe 1 or 2 beers at the most 38RMB-48RMB per beer). The point of going to KTV is to party which include drinking, singing, and playing games with your WG, so even with only a few drinks, it will already cost you over 600RMB for the "hard" cost only, so that is the reason why it is important to party with other people so that the "hard" cost can be split up and you end up paying a lot less and having more fun. If/when you brothers out there are coming to town, please let me know and I will do my best to match you up with others to ensure fun (not really fun partying alone) and save money at the same time. There are "packages" being offered at some smaller KTVs which includes all of the hard cost and drinks (packages range from 300 - 500 per person), so this may be an option to ponder if/when you decide to party alone. On weekdays, there a few KTVs that has no minimum (of course, this is pure BS, as still there is are hard costs involved), even then cheapest you can get away with is 500+, really no fun partying alone.
[quote]2. DJ, 200. On weekdays some places allowed for a trainee DJ for just 100[quote]
DJ fees on any night is 200 except for Juang Hui (formerly known as Swan Lake KTV) and Silver Star which is 100. Technically, there is no tip for a DJ trainee but usually we give the trainee 50-100 maximum.
[quote]3. Tips, I think you need to tip the mamasan or the manager who helps you book the room. This would go 100-200, so again, if going solo you will be paying all that yourself.[quote]
There is no tipping to ANYONE for reserving the KTV room in Chanping. I know this is a common practice in places like Shanghai but in CP, there is no tipping, so please don't spoil the market.
KTV partying can get expensive, cost per person (4 people at the Mayflower) last night cost 550RMB per but not always if the cost are controlled by not only the paying patrons but also by not letting the WGs ordering freely in the room as you want to play Mr. Nice Guy in the KTV room. I often see that the bill get over inflated by these WGs as they have duties by ordering LDs (lady drinks which could include snacks or sodas), by mommies and managers (i.e. professional drinkers) coming in to drink and play games all night. The secret to controlling your cost is to have a good DJ managing your cost in the room because they know at all times the cost of your bill. I have quite a few regular DJs watching my rooms around CP so if you need any recommendations in the future, please be sure to let me know when you are in or coming to town.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
08-27-09, 05:27
Been on a 8 day KTV Marathon with no end in sight, too many people coming to town...I am no KTV expert but base on my experience, I like BSD
It's been said many times before that the KTV experience is all about having a good time with a bunch of friends/like minded guys and NOT strictly about getting a gal. "Bros before ho's" thing.
If you want a gal, you'd be better off just going to a BBS and have a very wide variety to chose from. And if you enjoy "getting to know" the gal a bit more, you could always make a deal to not only pop her, but also to spend some time taking her out for dinner, footie or ??? prior to the deed. I've done this many a times when the KTV drinking and games and carousing just got too much day after day - and have had many a pleasant night just hanging out with a favorite BBS gal or another.
And especially if you're gonna not be getting to CP until after the prime KTV gal picking time of 6 - 8 PM, then you'd be better off doing what I suggest above. Hell, you could even get 2, 3 or even more BBS gals to make up your own party - and still spend less than if you go to a KTV all by yourself.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-27-09, 05:43
Gentlemen
I am scheduled to arrive in Shenzhen late hours on October 1st , on pure mongering purposes, stay there a couple of days then move on to Changping, Zhu Hai, HKG and Macau in that order until October 15th.
Doing my homework today I read at the HKG board that October 1st to 8th is a national holiday in China. Something that I didn’t know when I did my booking.
Can someone please comment how our hobby is going to be affected? Must I try a reroute during those dates or should I proceed as planed?
Thanks
Who knows precisely what's gonna happen?
Last year, CP was still wide open with all sorts of Hong Kong mongers coming to town to enjoy the long week-end. This year, its gonna be an even longer long week-end for Hong Kongers - extending from Thursday Oct 1 to the Sunday. But it IS going to be the 60th anniverary - which IS a big thing for us Chinese as it completes the fifth lunar years cycle signifying the reaching of maturity and the attainment of wisdom.
My thoughts? I'd say that CP would be a better bet than Shenzhen. Shenzhen is NOT sex-entertainment centred/other industries and undertakings are way far more important and thus its no big deal to suppress such sex centred - and face losing activities. (Zhuhai is touted as a pure tourist destination)
CP on the other hand is the town that sex built - and just about ALL the workers there are connected to the sex industry one way or the other. Yes, CP needs to at least "show" that they are also cleaning up their town - but I suspect that it would just be that - a show and that one way or the other, business must go on.
They'll make a show of cracking down on one venue or even one type of activity, but there will still be sex service galore available at other venues or another type of service. Last time they had a crack-down, ALL the big KTV's got shut down for one Monday night (with half operations etc going on for a couple more nights) - but the BBS's, Saunas and even the Night market was still fully operational.
Don't hold me to it - for like I said, who can really/precisely know - but I'd suggest you just go straight to CP. IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. Ain't much gonna happen in Hong Kong and Macau as authorities here already got the situation pretty well handled and thus will not need to do crackdowns etc.
Been following this forum for a while and am amazed with the activities.
Need a little help understanding night market and BBSes. I did a search and found many mentions but no real explanation. I do understand the need for a guide or experience and not going as a newbie.
Appreciate all the info you guys have supplied. I read with envy.
Slim
SE Asia Joe
08-27-09, 10:49
Been following this forum for a while and am amazed with the activities.
Need a little help understanding night market and BBSes. I did a search and found many mentions but no real explanation. I do understand the need for a guide or experience and not going as a newbie.
Appreciate all the info you guys have supplied. I read with envy.
Slim
BBS = barber shop, but which does no hair cutting and has gals available for mostly take-out/ some dine-in. Most parts of Southern China, the BBS gals are RMB100-150/pop.
In Chang Ping, when we say BBS, we also mean the rooms behind steel doors where up to 30 or 50 (??) WG's just sits around waiting for clients (the numbers varies day to day and even hour to hour, these rooms are also known as Chicken Farms). Hours are approx 3 pm to midnight and only for take-out - although the mommies will gladly assist you to get a cheap short term room nearby.
Those behind the Hui Mei Hotel goes for 150/pop whilst those around the Yalan and Swan Lake Rd. area go for 200/pop. Some of these BBS's i.e. Silver Star (1/3/6), Chuan Yu (2/4/7) etc also doubles as a KTV versus the regular KTV's of 2/5/8.
The night market is a series of chicken farms in an alley "Dong Xing #3 street" and which is directly opposite the CP Dental hospital. This alley gets populated later as a lot of the KTV gals who do NOT get picked at their KTV also go there to try to salvage their working day (of course on top of their regular 'staff'), and as such, this alley don't really go to sleep until near dawn. RMB130/pop.
Please note that all of these BBS's etc always try to put on a "furrener surcharge," but like everything else in China - prices are ALWAYS negotiable!
Hope I've answered your questions and have not given you any wrong info/IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. I would discourage you from going to ANY of these places alone - or even as a group of newbies - as they can be quite daunting and even dangerous if you don't know what/where you're going.
Member #4144
08-27-09, 16:33
Been on a 8 day KTV Marathon with no end in sight, too many people coming to town...I am no KTV expert but base on my experience, I like to clarify a few things on Fillmore St's post as follows.
BSDThanks a lot. I made my post in the hope that someone will come out to clarify those things and your post definitely answer all the key questions.
FS
BBS = barber shop, but which does no hair cutting and has gals available for mostly take-out/ some dine-in.
Those behind the Hui Mei Hotel goes for 150/pop whilst those around the Yalan and Swan Lake Rd. area go for 200/pop.
SEAJCan you clarify as I've understand most BBS in CP are mostly if not all take out (with only a very few that still have dine in). I've seem to read somewhere that take out prices are +50 more, but with most places having no dine in, shouldn't the extra 50rmb be eliminated as you have no choice but take out.
Or will they still charge the 50 anyways.
SE Asia Joe
08-28-09, 08:35
Can you clarify as I've understand most BBS in CP are mostly if not all take out (with only a very few that still have dine in). I've seem to read somewhere that take out prices are +50 more, but with most places having no dine in, shouldn't the extra 50rmb be eliminated as you have no choice but take out.
Or will they still charge the 50 anyways.
HUH?
As far as I know, except for Saunas, just about everything else is take-out.
BBS + KTV gals all expect that you will have the room to do the deed and if you do not, then the mommie (or herself) can arrange for a room -whether short term or overnight; but you will need to pay for the room. (and that is what I mean when I say "some dine-in" - but here, you still pay for the room yourself).
You stated ".... (with only a very few that still have dine in)..." - well I've never heard of any in CP and I'd say that that would be very unusual as then the BBS owners takes a whole lot more risk - which ones offer dine in?
SEAJ
Ps. The catacombs - yes, that is all dine in - but these are all "stand alone" operations and one gal one room. And there ARE these kinds of areas dotted all over China - but they're not for the faint-hearted and for sure NOT for furreners!
PPs. Yes, come to think of it, the BBS's in Shenzhen DO provide rooms for you to do the deed and yes, they do ask for an extra 50 or so if you take the gal to your room. But not the BBS's in CP as far as I know.
Bigboobman007
08-28-09, 09:10
Just came back from a week of mongering. Got a funny (in my book) story to share. A bro here introduced me to a gal whom he contacted to sit with me at a KTV. He said she's totally my type, so I was damn excited. He also called the mami to make sure she would bring her to me. We came early and the the gals were still having meeting. The mami came in, said hi to us and brought us to see her gals first even while the other gals were having meeting. I chose one from her stable while waiting for the pre-booked one. Finally, all the gals came and paraded on the "flower street". We wasted no time strolling up and down the parade and I was considering to bring in 2 more gals to sit with me but I thought "nahhh" i already had 1 in the room and pre-booked one. More than 2 would spoil the fun. 15 min passed and no sign of my pre-booked girl. So I called her personally to get her to come. She sounded reluctant. I asked her if she is at the flower street. She said yes and she is in the front about 30 metre away. Eventually our eyes met and she walked in and came to the room. I asked her how come she didnt come in right after the meeting. She made up some excuses that dont make sense. I dropped the issue for the time being and she knew she owe me an explanation.
She was a very fun gals and is totally my type so I brought her back instead of the 1st gal. In the bed she spilled the beans. She said she was in a KTV session a while back (my bro who introduced us was there) where there was an old lecherous creep (these words came from her mouth) who went around and grabbed every gal's boobs (even though they're not his gals) and molest them. He loved to sing old english songs. She thought that was very irritating and no gals like that. Knowing for sure who this "old creep" is, I was laughing like hell in my heart. She said if a gal lost a game and they are grabbed or she has to strip as a punishment, its different and they can accept. The old creep asked her if she would sit with him if he look for her, she lied and said yes. So she didnt come into our KTV room afraid that I was this old creep.
Those whom I have partied with will definitely know who this "old creep" is.
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Hope I've answered your questions and have not given you any wrong info/IMHO
SEAJ
Yes, thanks.
Slim
HUH?
As far as I know, except for Saunas, just about everything else is take-out.
I think michelle's place before she left (upstairs) actually had a short term room, not that anyone uses it who has hotel. but i remember it being offered.
also saunas can also be take out if you are staying in the hotel. not sure i would recommend that as the service is different since the appropriate seats and such for the shower, etc arent' there. although you get your own bed, the girl calls down with your room number. option if you don't want to go from sauna to your room after the deed.
Calvin Hobbs
08-28-09, 17:12
Any experience with the sauna at the Sheraton in Hougie?
You stated ".... (with only a very few that still have dine in)..." - well I've never heard of any in CP and I'd say that that would be very unusual as then the BBS owners takes a whole lot more risk - which ones offer dine in?
SEAJ
Ps. The catacombs - yes, that is all dine in - but these are all "stand alone" operations and one gal one room. And there ARE these kinds of areas dotted all over China - but they're not for the faint-hearted and for sure NOT for furreners!I know I saw somewhere places with dine in, perhaps not on this forum and
Perhaps the catacombs were the places I read in CP with dine in provided.
And these places as described are not for foreigners but also not for anyone unless you are local that they know or going as a gang.
Pirate
Playboy2000
08-29-09, 00:24
The night market is a series of chicken farms in an alley "Dong Xing #3 street" and which is directly opposite the CP Dental hospital. This alley gets populated later as a lot of the KTV gals who do NOT get picked at their KTV also go there to try to salvage their working day (of course on top of their regular 'staff'), and as such, this alley don't really go to sleep until near dawn. RMB130/pop.
Does the "night market" have a name in Mandarin? What do you tell the taxi driver if you want to go there at midnight? Do you just say "dong xing san hao lu"?
Pix here : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922375&postcount=1816
Took the train to CP from Lowu and went to the Yalan BBS. There were a few girls sitting around with some men talking to the mamasans trying deciding who to pick. I picked an enthusiastic 19 year old (so she claimed).
Jo lin
Face/Look/Body (7.5/10)
* straight long black hair down to her waist
* small A cup tits
* small dark nipples
* not very hairy pussy
* very tight pussy
* large tattoo above her pussy
* skinny gal, not much of a butt
* thin legs, thin everything
* bout 5'3"
* skin was okay, quite smooth everywhere
Skill
* BBBJ - very good, good suction and no teeth, fast head bobbing
* DFK - was a smoker
* CIM
* good cowgirl ridin', didn't complain when tired
Service
* 3Q
* twice while doing the dirty, last round with her using her mouth to service me
* good cheap quick wam bam fun
Conclusion
The sex was good, I paid the mamasan 100 at the BBS, took girl back, after first Q, talked to her and she wanted to stay. I didn't want her the entire night as I had some other things to do, so we struck at deal for 3pm - 7pm for $360. After the second Q, she got some rest and after a bit I woke her up and she tried to say that the deal was only for 2Qs. I said we never discuss how many Qs were included, so I told her I'll pay you another $10 and you can leave after the next Q. So the third Q was not as great as first two times since I can see she's trying to be tricky and greedy so I just bang her a long time (which she was not pleased) and she eventually finished me with her mouth.
Her tattoo story is her ex-bf asked her to get it as they were going to get marry in the future, then the bf dumped her and she is stuck with that huge ass tattoo.
So total was $470 for Jo Lin from 2pm till 5pm with 3Qs.
Pix here : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922375&postcount=1816
SE Asia Joe
08-29-09, 03:57
Does the "night market" have a name in Mandarin? What do you tell the taxi driver if you want to go there at midnight? Do you just say "dong xing san hao lu"?
Dong Xing San Jie
SEAJ
Does the "night market" have a name in Mandarin? What do you tell the taxi driver if you want to go there at midnight? Do you just say "dong xing san hao lu"?
The street has a name though I don't remember, and if I recall when the taxi driver was told the street they didn't know it either.
I suggested saying "xiao jie lu" to BSD, but don't know if it would work. The taxi drivers certainly know the street and you can say it is near the hospital (although joe said it is a dental center??).
SE Asia Joe
08-29-09, 09:05
The street has a name though I don't remember, and if I recall when the taxi driver was told the street they didn't know it either.
I suggested saying "xiao jie lu" to BSD, but don't know if it would work. The taxi drivers certainly know the street and you can say it is near the hospital (although joe said it is a dental center??).
Xiao Jie Lu???? LOL!!
No just tell them Dong Xing San Jie, and if the taxi driver tries to play funny, just tell him to drive you along Dong Xing Ta Lu. When you see the large blue overhead sign with the hospital sign (its actually a dental hospital,) the street is right in front and there will be a small bread shop at the entrance of the street.
You'd be safer if you ask the taxi driver to go down this street and stop the car in front of each BBS - the mommies will parade their gals out and you can chose a gal of your dreams "kerbside" - Fast food China Style!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-29-09, 09:50
Pix here : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922375&postcount=1816
Took the train to CP from Lowu and went to the Yalan BBS. There were a few girls sitting around with some
........Service
* 3Q
* twice while doing the dirty, last round with her using her mouth to service me
* good cheap quick wam bam fun
Conclusion
The sex was good, I paid the mamasan 100 at the BBS, took girl back, after first Q, talked to her and she wanted to stay. I didn't want her the entire night as I had some other things to do, so we struck at deal for 3pm - 7pm for $360. After the second Q, she got some rest and after a bit I woke her up and she tried to say that the deal was only for 2Qs. I said we never discuss how many Qs were included, so I told her I'll pay you another $10 and you can leave after the next Q. So the third Q was not as great as first two times since I can see she's trying to be tricky and greedy so I just bang her a long time (which she was not pleased) and she eventually finished me with her mouth.
So total was $470 for Jo Lin from 2pm till 5pm with 3Qs.
Pix here : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922375&postcount=1816
Great way to report the session and put up the pictures. Just wish these guys would stop polluting the photo gallery with their inane and useless comments etc. Oh well...!! Will adopt your way next time I post pixs.
On your getting 3 Q's from the same gal - I'd suggest that you make the deal with the mommie PRIOR to you taking her. Yes probably not a good idea if you're not quite sure if she's gonna be any good or not, and probably best suited for repeats - but I've found out doing so saves me grief and $$ .
Sunday - Thursday is when I'd make a deal with the mommie to keep her gal for X number of hours till say midnight and ONE Q - for RMB 300. You ask why one Q only - well its because I want the mommie to know only the bare minimum $$ that I was gonna spend on her gal (only an extra 100 for the added hours). And forget about doing this on week-ends and other busy times - the gal and the mommie will NOT agree as they can make too much money doing their business the usual way!!
I usually enjoy my time with the gal and usually do it with her twice, thrice or even keep her overnight - with her understanding and complicity of course!! And she would report back to the mommie that indeed I only paid her RMB 200 on top of the 100 I'd already given the mommie when I first got the gal. Of course I would give the gal more than 200 if indeed I popped her more than once - but she does not need to share any more money with the mommie.
Result, happy gal, happy me and a mommie who does not know anything and is also pleased. Win win Win!! BTW - unless you make the deal PRIOR to taking the gal, the mommie will forever be on the fone chasing the gal to get back to work and she (and most likely you) will need to start the negotiations etc on the fone. A real pain in the ass and most likely not ending in a satisfactory result for everybody concerned
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. Jo Lin shouldn't have had too much room to complain as she pretty well got the overnight fees which is RMB 500. Or less later on in the night. PLUS she was done with you by 5 pm - plenty of time for her to get another "date" or two!!
I tried to pm you but your stored messages are full, trying to join a KTV group, will be in CP on 9/4 (PM's SE Asia Joe too.) I'll try again tomorrow.
Thanks!
Hey BSD,
Dave, how about clearing up some of your messages so people can PM you ?
It said your PM bin is full and overflowing by now.
Big Swingin Dave
08-30-09, 01:23
Hey BSD,
Dave, how about clearing up some of your messages so people can PM you ?
It said your PM bin is full and overflowing by now.It's a real "biach" in getting onto ISG from China. You have to use a proxy, try using one from this website: http://unrestrictedsurf.com
I've cleared my PM, so it's free to receive PMs. Sorry brothers.
Good the f...k luck!
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
08-30-09, 01:53
Last evening, we were at Jia Yi/Tao Yuan KTV with 9 guys. Couple ISG brothers (Pig Fat and MizunoGuy) were in attendance and an amazing thing happened. 7 of the 9 guys brought "sand to the beach". For you KTV veterans out there, you know what I mean and the rest of the board, well it actually means that you have just brought your OWN girl (either from another KTV or a BBS, or a FL, or wherever…) to a KTV. In my opinion, this is absurb and of all places to JY/TY where guys go there because of the number of WGs available to choose from. Actually only saw less than 500 WGs on a Saturday night...a real downer, a big difference before Mayflower opened across the street where you can choose from over 800 WGs on a Saturday night. JY/TY has really gone down hill in regards to the condition of the rooms and the equipment. The sound system was bad, the snacks were lousy (pumpkin seed, dates, and nasty dry-up squid), the DJ uniforms are ugly, the DJs are old, fat, and ugly...what has happened to this Crown Jewel ever since Mayflower has opened?
Just want to get you brother's opinion on this matter as I think it is pointless to go to a KTV when you are bringing your own "lunchbox" where beers cost 42RMB (convenience store price is 3RMB “in parenthesis” per bottle), 28RMB for a Wang Lao Ji (a very popular soft drink in China, cost 3RMB), Chow Mein 32RMB (18), Beef Porridge 28RMB (9), Snacks 25RMB (5), Tissue 10RMB (3), Entertainment Fee 50RMB (0), Service Fee 219RMB (0). The cost last night was 2,239RMB plus 400 DJ Fee which turns out to be 300RMB per person. The party started at 7pm and pretty much ended at 10pm when all beers and snacks have been consumed. A big difference then a couple nights before when we were at FuHao where the 3 guys picked 8 girls and it was a blast! The party went on all night, non-stop, it was fun fun fun! If I knew this was going to happen I would have organized the party at a non-WG KTV and the cost would have been a lot less.
Next Saturday night, we will go to a fully naked KTV and if anyone decide to bring their “lunchbox”, she better be partaking in the fun and strip too…JMHO.
BSD
Just want to get you brother's opinion on this matter as I think it is pointless to go to a KTV when you are bringing your own "lunchbox" where beers cost 42RMB
Each to their own. I certainly have brought a girl back to KTV 's with me because:
a) i wanted to play with her 2 nights not just the one.
b) i wanted to also enjoy the evening with mates in the KTV
c) (b) was also the appropriate thing to do, given the trip was with a group of mates, and costs shared mean smaller costs for all.
d) i wanted to play with her 3 nights not just the two.
e) i wanted to play with her 4 nights not just the three.
Each night i also took another girl into the KTV room, just for sitting with me/us, but i was happy to be going back to the hotel with my no. 1 girl afterwards. The 3rd and fourth nights i let No1 choose her friend to play with us in the KTV room. by then No 1 knew she was highest in the pecking order with me, and she appreciated being able to "help" her friend by getting her the sitting fee.
Maybe pointless but i enjoyed myself! And i have ongoing contact with this girl through the QQ (amazingly similar to Msn! A knockoff in the best chinese tradition!).
Ozirob
SE Asia Joe
08-30-09, 02:57
Each to their own. I certainly have brought a girl back to KTV 's with me because:
a) i wanted to play with her 2 nights not just the one.
b) i wanted to also enjoy the evening with mates in the KTV
c) (b) was also the appropriate thing to do, given the trip was with a group of mates, and costs shared mean smaller costs for all.
d) i wanted to play with her 3 nights not just the two.
e) i wanted to play with her 4 nights not just the three.
Each night i also took another girl into the KTV room, just for sitting with me/us, but i was happy to be going back to the hotel with my no. 1 girl afterwards. The 3rd and fourth nights i let No1 choose her friend to play with us in the KTV room. by then No 1 knew she was highest in the pecking order with me, and she appreciated being able to "help" her friend by getting her the sitting fee.
Maybe pointless but i enjoyed myself! And i have ongoing contact with this girl through the QQ (amazingly similar to Msn! A knockoff in the best chinese tradition!).
Ozirob
Agree with you - to each his own - as I've been known to do this also.
On the other hand, before doing so, I've always made it a point to tell the guy arranging the night that this was what I was gonna go do PLUS most times I would still pick up another gal from the KTV. You see, it is quite difficult some nights (week-ends) to get a KTV room and usually takes a bit of "Pull" with a mommie to get one; for a party to come and NOT pick gals - well, it pisses off the mommie - and there goes a good contact for KTV rooms!
Also, one must also take into account the fact that the bill is usually shared amongst the number of guys attending and that gals are not counted. When you bring your own gal to theKTV, you are in actual fact taking your 'date' along and thus should be counted as 2 i/o 1 (which of course doesn't happen). I realize that a gal is a gal is a gal, but there IS a difference with bringing in your own lunch box and its really not totally fair - although of course I'd be hard put to come up with a solution.
And never mind about naked KTV's, where a "date" will usually NOT partake of the actions and usually will be all huffy/I'm better than THEM, even in a regular KTV, the atmosphere is definitely different when there are outside gals as each side don't know the other and each side, by nature, will tend to act a bit superior or ?? (read - no wildness, no fun no ... nuthin'!) and that's what kills all the mood.
Yeah, great for you to bring your own 'lunchbox' but you gotta be aware of other's perception and feelings. You have fun and are assured of a great gal - but are you being fair to the others??
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Turtlehead
08-30-09, 09:51
I was in DG this past weekend. Heard from a driver that I use often that a fight broke out between Mayflower and New Century K staff. It took place a few nights ago. One person was killed, and the killers have left town. He said that on Friday there was a bomb scare at the New Century, which appears to be retaliation. It appears that it all started when New Century recruited some mommies from the Mayflower and the Mayflower people decided to go and get them back. That's when the axes and clubs came out.
Seeing that 2 big bosses of DG is having a war, I would keep alert. Mayflower and Jaiyi are owned by the same person, so I would be careful when I visiting those 3 places.
It looks like the number of new hotels are finally causing so much competition to a point where now where it effects profits. It's a case of too much "hardware" and too little "software" to go around. With more hotels opening in the next few months, I see this turf war trend continuing.
The concern is these are not small time gangsters, but big time bosses. Hopefully, they will contain things because they know an all out war would hurt everybody's business, but cool heads do not always prevail in these situations.
Having reported all that, I also have to report that last night I had what I call describe as a "horny almost virgin" type girl. It was fantastic!!!
OldAsiaHand
08-30-09, 09:58
Cost may be factor. Consider the following scenario:
Monger goes on the BBS chicken run around 3-4pm and picks up a girl and decides to keep her LT. He takes her back for a pop and then brings her to the KTV with him. She stays overnight and he gets another couple of pops. Total cost is 500 RMB + share of KTV bill.
Same scenario as above but monger lets her go after the first pop. Heads to KTV where he picks a girl for LT and gets a couple of pops. Total cost is 1,000 RMB + share of KTV bill.
Either way, if he wants another girl to sit with him in the KTV, he just pays another 200 RMB. Even if he decides to dump the BBS girl for the KTV girl, he can probably negotiate a settlement less then 500 RMB LT rate. Even if he is generous and gives her the full amount, the total cost is 1,300 RMB + share of KTV bill and he enjoys the fun of the 2 girls competing for his attention at the KTV.
Just my POV.
OAH
Phantomtiger2
08-30-09, 23:06
Ask your travel agent for a ticket from HKG or Shenzhen to either Bangkok or Manila. A round trip ticket will cost you less than $200.
Why waste your time here in China - its really not good time here and especially for the 60th Anniversary Ceremonies of the PRC. Girls, prices, food, culture and entertainment options are ALL better in Thailand or Philippines.
It's quite risky here in China these days. BBSs are closed but they open up a few weeks later, some change locations. It is not possible to eliminate P4P but it can be dangerous here in China. If you get caught you will be deported and possibly 'reprogrammed' before your deportation.
I'd rather not be here too.
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OK, the above statement was copied from another bro on the SZ thread advising I should avoid China and go elsewhere.
As I have a unchangable/non-refund airticket already, I have really no choice but to head to China to avoid over $1000 lost on the ticket. Need experts on CP to advise me if I should do as the above stated--land in HK and book another flight elsewhere, immediately board another plane to maybe Philly/AC/manila- (certainly not Thailand as I have monger so much there its the reason I chose China this year just to get away from there for awhile)-and salvage some of my vacation, then have to fly back to HK after for my return home.
Or do you guys think I should take my chances ( avoid SZ) and just stay in CP for the duration of my trip ,as so far I haven't heard any crackdowns in CP (yet).
PT
Road Runnerl
08-31-09, 04:10
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your 168 recommandation. I juz registered for a a/c in ISG. See you soon.
Last evening, we were at Jia Yi/Tao Yuan KTV with 9 guys. Couple ISG brothers (Pig Fat and MizunoGuy) were in attendance and an amazing thing happened. 7 of the 9 guys brought "sand to the beach". For you KTV veterans out there, you know what I mean and the rest of the board, well it actually means that you have just brought your OWN girl (either from another KTV or a BBS, or a FL, or wherever…) to a KTV. In my opinion, this is absurb and of all places to JY/TY where guys go there because of the number of WGs available to choose from. Actually only saw less than 500 WGs on a Saturday night...a real downer, a big difference before Mayflower opened across the street where you can choose from over 800 WGs on a Saturday night. JY/TY has really gone down hill in regards to the condition of the rooms and the equipment. The sound system was bad, the snacks were lousy (pumpkin seed, dates, and nasty dry-up squid), the DJ uniforms are ugly, the DJs are old, fat, and ugly...what has happened to this Crown Jewel ever since Mayflower has opened?
Just want to get you brother's opinion on this matter as I think it is pointless to go to a KTV when you are bringing your own "lunchbox" where beers cost 42RMB (convenience store price is 3RMB “in parenthesis” per bottle), 28RMB for a Wang Lao Ji (a very popular soft drink in China, cost 3RMB), Chow Mein 32RMB (18), Beef Porridge 28RMB (9), Snacks 25RMB (5), Tissue 10RMB (3), Entertainment Fee 50RMB (0), Service Fee 219RMB (0). The cost last night was 2,239RMB plus 400 DJ Fee which turns out to be 300RMB per person. The party started at 7pm and pretty much ended at 10pm when all beers and snacks have been consumed. A big difference then a couple nights before when we were at FuHao where the 3 guys picked 8 girls and it was a blast! The party went on all night, non-stop, it was fun fun fun! If I knew this was going to happen I would have organized the party at a non-WG KTV and the cost would have been a lot less.
Next Saturday night, we will go to a fully naked KTV and if anyone decide to bring their “lunchbox”, she better be partaking in the fun and strip too…JMHO.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
08-31-09, 05:00
Cost may be factor. Consider the following scenario:
Monger goes on the BBS chicken run around 3-4pm and picks up a girl and decides to keep her LT. He takes her back for a pop and then brings her to the KTV with him. She stays overnight and he gets another couple of pops. Total cost is 500 RMB + share of KTV bill.
Same scenario as above but monger lets her go after the first pop. Heads to KTV where he picks a girl for LT and gets a couple of pops. Total cost is 1,000 RMB + share of KTV bill.
Either way, if he wants another girl to sit with him in the KTV, he just pays another 200 RMB. Even if he decides to dump the BBS girl for the KTV girl, he can probably negotiate a settlement less then 500 RMB LT rate. Even if he is generous and gives her the full amount, the total cost is 1,300 RMB + share of KTV bill and he enjoys the fun of the 2 girls competing for his attention at the KTV.
Just my POV.
OAH
Yes, of course cost is a factor - but this is precisely the point I made!
The guy bringing his own gal - especially if she was a BBS gal - will save costs - but at who's expense?? Like I said, shouldn't he be charged for 2 shares of the bill instead of one? And let's face it, I know for a fact that most guys bringing his own gal to the KTV will NOT get another gal there to sit or do whatever.
BTW, another variation to saving costs is of course the method perfected by another senior member who regularly just sits with a KTV gal, pay RMB200 and then goes off to the night alley to get his pop!
But more than costs, its the "fun" factor that I am concerned with. I went to a KTV party at the Fu Hao (semi-naked) when a guy brought his own gal - and she actually was a fully naked CA gal. This gal sat the whole evening acting like she's a big deal li'l miss precious and the guy was fawning all over her - thereby encouraging her stupid act. The gals from the Fuhao were all quite visibly restrained (compared to how they usually act there) and this all put a real damper to the whole evening. Stupid! Hell, that night she had the biggest knockers in the room - which is regularly on full show at her naked CA KTV - and here she was acting all prissy and "I am better than you gals!"
IMHO - but really, when you do bring in your own lunch box - be at least aware of the feelings of the other guys in the room. It's like when you go to a KTV where the charges are based upon per head - the KTV will charge each guy AND each outside girl as a "head" whilst not counting any of their own in-house gals.
Like I said, I've brought in my own lunch box a few times, but I do always make an effort to apologize and at least offer to share a proportionately larger share (and my thanks to one and all for ALWAYS refusing my offer)
IMHO - my very humble ones
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-31-09, 05:08
_________________________________________________________________
OK, the above statement was copied from another bro on the SZ thread advising I should avoid China and go elsewhere.
As I have a unchangable/non-refund airticket already, I have really no choice but to head to China to avoid over $1000 lost on the ticket. Need experts on CP to advise me if I should do as the above stated--land in HK and book another flight elsewhere, immediately board another plane to maybe Philly/AC/manila- (certainly not Thailand as I have monger so much there its the reason I chose China this year just to get away from there for awhile)-and salvage some of my vacation, then have to fly back to HK after for my return home.
Or do you guys think I should take my chances ( avoid SZ) and just stay in CP for the duration of my trip ,as so far I haven't heard any crackdowns in CP (yet).
PT
Am no expert but you may perhaps want to have a look at my humble opinion on report #1258 at 12:43 on 8/27/09 a couple pages back (sorry, on proxy and thus could not give you direct link)
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
08-31-09, 05:31
Don't know how BSD manages all these things to happen to me.
Had him book a footsie for me at Clipper for me + 2 last night - only I think that he thinks I was going with a couple guys. Well, actually I went with only one guy and one of my regular gals - and when I got there, it was already arranged that I get a Cantonese speaking gal - #168 if you guys are interested (as if I needed to state this, as think you will soon find out!).
The footsie started off quite regularly as usual, but I did right away notice that my gal was quite a bit more flirty. Cut the story short, it wasn't half an hour before my gal started giving me a "stomach massage" with my legs wrapped around her body whilst she laid prone on mine. Right away she was grabbing at my li'l one and was going to town on it, and then throwing a towel on my groin and actually taking it out and jacking poor li'l bro hard! All of this whilst my gal was only half falling asleep. Cain't believe this at all.
I told my footsie gal that she was jacking me off too hard and too uncomfortably and right away she said, lets go to another room and I'll blow you instead - JUST LIKE THAT!! Absolutely could not believe all this but of course I let her lead me into an adjacent empty room - with an extra towel and a water glass in her hands. Stripped my pants down and had me straddle the foot basin whilst she used the tumbler to clean my dick whilst non-challantly asking me if I wanted covered or uncovered!
I told her of course uncovered and asked how much. 200 if uncovered and 150 covered and I said no 100 uncovered (as I really was starting to wonder the wisdom of all this whilst my regular was right next door and would be a much much better BJ and FS AND in a very much more pleasant surroundings/ circumstances.) A bit of ging back and forth and no deal was made (Whew - a bit of sigh of relief here!) and off I went back to my room and it was all back to normal. Cain't believe this - really cain't believe this!
SEAJ
Chang Ping
08-31-09, 06:13
This is a an overdue report. Just got back to work and need to clear some stuff but I am indebted to BSD Dave and this is the least I can do for his help and friendship!
First off. Let me establish a few facts:
1 I am no newbie to CP. Yes there are certainly others who have mongered more often but I think it safe to consider myself a non-newbie having been to CP regularly (almost monthly) since 4 years ago.
2 Am not a Sauna fan. Why? Because generally (and I stress generally because there are always exceptions and manosanboy's experiences certainly set a high benchmark for me personally. To me while SN gals get your rocks off. Its usually done so in a rather mechanically and relatively lack of GFE (to most KTV gals I have had). Readers may have a differing opinion/experience and this is only my FR and my experience.
OK so now that the stage is set. Let me tell you that inspite of my distaste for Saunas. I am reminded (because I lost count at one stage hahah) that I did
5 sauna gals in 3 days from the SAME JOINT! Clipper!
That must say something about the Clipper sauna gals, Gigi the manager and Dave for helping me arrange things such that my expectations are met.
I won't dive into graphic details here but.619 and 313 are some of the gals I have done that have not been reported so far. The service from ALL the gals I had (some with NO tag numbers as they were new! ) were superb and GFE was high (so what if they loved my Mao's and only my Mao's. They delivered my fantasies and it was a great transaction in my books! :-)
Also I had the oppty to party iwith Dave and I can attest to his dedication to this chosen vocation. He takes down notes, he observes his company keenly. He is able to tell which type of gal a guy likes and suggest the right kinda KTV to suit tastes to the best of his ability. So it isn't an impersonal XGX or other tour guide kinda service. There is real value add here. And if you are a newbie. Particularly a newbie. This is a fantastic oppty to quickly learn CP in as short a period as possible without the attendant pitfalls and wasting of time, money, effort, heartaches. And sperm :-)
OK enuff said. Don't want this to sound like an advert! And no. Dave did not ask me to do this. I am NOT getting paid in kind or $
Just a really good friend that is offering what I feel is a great service and makes sense on many different levels.
So this experience marks a new chapter of my life in CP. And I am now thinking that perhaps the Taiwanese mongers have got it right all along? Ie they party and get pissed drunk at KTV. And then hop over to get their rocks off at the Sauna overnite.
The only things missing for me were the GFE and some nice lady taking care of the all impt morning stiffy. Both of which Gigi and Clipper were more than able to solve for me easily.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Big Swingin Dave
08-31-09, 19:37
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your 168 recommandation. I juz registered for a a/c in ISG. See you soon.
OK guys, most of you are wondering what Road Runner is talking about. Well, 168 is a famous footie girl in one of the CP establishment in town. She is very naughty and very much an entrepreneur. PM me on where she works so I can protect the identity of this fun fun footie girl. Not so pretty but when your little brother is doing the thinking for you...it will be hard to resist. I know RR will second that opinion as he actually didn't like her when she came into the room but thanks to MongerX's encouragement, he kept her and changed his mind about her within 5 minutes and within an hour she was in his room for a nice conversation (wink wink)...
BSD
IMHO - but really, when you do bring in your own lunch box - be at least aware of the feelings of the other guys in the room. It's like when you go to a KTV where the charges are based upon per head - the KTV will charge each guy AND each outside girl as a "head" whilst not counting any of their own in-house gals.SEAJ
I have lunchboxed a bit also. money usually isn't one, but a previous night of bad ktv picks will make you think tonite i'll bring a winner rather than trying to pick one. we have all had our nightmare picks at the ktv. sometimes I want to see a regular but also want to party with the guys so how do you do both??....
However, 80%+ of the time the girls that are brought are not as fun as the girls picked. Alot of times they just sit there and don't interact with anyone else and that can be a buzz kill. However, - I know at least three girls that are regulars of other board members that I enjoy when they come (BSD your girl is cool - hell she taught me mahjong). So sometimes it works.
As for paying for 2, I disagree as you come to party with others and simply are not selecting from the lineup. It is your 2-3 you are paying for regardless of where they are from. If they are charging by the head, then yes. but also girls that are brought in rarely heavily drink, as they see it almost as a night off drinking. If you start to guess well you picked one, you picked 2, etc it becomes a mess. If you pick 4 girls to sit - yeah you probably should pony up more... but that is why we always do the clean split. essentially the guys are throwing the party...
Who knows precisely what's gonna happen?
Last year, CP was still wide open with all sorts of Hong Kong mongers coming to town to enjoy the long week-end. This year, its gonna be an even longer long week-end for Hong Kongers - extending from Thursday Oct 1 to the Sunday. But it IS going to be the 60th anniverary - which IS a big thing for us Chinese as it completes the fifth lunar years cycle signifying the reaching of maturity and the attainment of wisdom.
My thoughts? I'd say that CP would be a better bet than Shenzhen. Shenzhen is NOT sex-entertainment centred/other industries and undertakings are way far more important and thus its no big deal to suppress such sex centred - and face losing activities. (Zhuhai is touted as a pure tourist destination)
CP on the other hand is the town that sex built - and just about ALL the workers there are connected to the sex industry one way or the other. Yes, CP needs to at least "show" that they are also cleaning up their town - but I suspect that it would just be that - a show and that one way or the other, business must go on.
They'll make a show of cracking down on one venue or even one type of activity, but there will still be sex service galore available at other venues or another type of service. Last time they had a crack-down, ALL the big KTV's got shut down for one Monday night (with half operations etc going on for a couple more nights) - but the BBS's, Saunas and even the Night market was still fully operational.
Don't hold me to it - for like I said, who can really/precisely know - but I'd suggest you just go straight to CP. IMHO
SEAJ
Ps. Ain't much gonna happen in Hong Kong and Macau as authorities here already got the situation pretty well handled and thus will not need to do crackdowns etc.
Thank you very much SEAJ for your comments.
I think I'll try my luck and stay over the weekend at SZ unless you guys are willing to meet with a bloody Greek and introduce me to the CP KTV scenarios. First round on me.
Last time I was in CP I got sick from the very first day and had to stay indoors and finally return back home with no fun at CP.
I hope it will be better this time.
SE Asia Joe
09-01-09, 16:42
Just came back from Chang Ping and there is a new sign on the Hospital in front of the entrance of the night market/Dong Xing San Jie - and it states in English nonetheless - "Community Health Center of Chang Ping, Dongguan" and thus it IS a regular hospital and not a dental hospital.
My bad
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-01-09, 16:49
Thank you very much SEAJ for your comments.
I think I'll try my luck and stay over the weekend at SZ unless you guys are willing to meet with a bloody Greek and introduce me to the CP KTV scenarios. First round on me.
Last time I was in CP I got sick from the very first day and had to stay indoors and finally return back home with no fun at CP.
I hope it will be better this time.
Up to today, I've not heard of ANY recent crackdowns in Chang Ping - although the mommies/gals/managers all seem to be very nervous and expecting something to happen at any time - seeing as they've been hearing about all sorts of crack downs in Shenzhen, DGG city etc.`
Last week, the gals at the Juang Hui (the old Swan Lake) were told no more bare bosoms in the KTV for now. BTW - the Juang Hui IS part of a hotel and as such, the mommie can easily arrange for a short term (2 hours) room at the hotel for RMB 50. And thus all in and in-house, you can go ST for RMB 250. Not a bad deal!
SEAJ
Ps. Yu oughta PM Big Swingin Dave,who should be able to help you out in CP - at least he'll steer you clear from all the dodgy restaurants as a first measure!!
SE Asia Joe
09-01-09, 17:04
sometimes I want to see a regular but also want to party with the guys so how do you do both??....
This is precisely my quandary - and thus why I've been known to bring my own lunch box in the past
However, 80%+ of the time the girls that are brought are not as fun as the girls picked. Alot of times they just sit there and don't interact with anyone else and that can be a buzz kill. .........sometimes it works.And this is why I many times am reluctant to join a KTV party... which really is a pity as you guys know that I do love going crazy with you guys at KTV's!
As for paying for 2, I disagree as you come to party with others and simply are not selecting from the lineup. It is your 2-3 you are paying for regardless of where they are from. If they are charging by the head, then yes. but also girls that are brought in rarely heavily drink, as they see it almost as a night off drinking. If you start to guess well you picked one, you picked 2, etc it becomes a mess. If you pick 4 girls to sit - yeah you probably should pony up more... but that is why we always do the clean split. essentially the guys are throwing the party...
And that is why I have absolutely no idea/suggestion about this matter and how to make it fair etc to everybody. But just us discussing this matter here is one step forward, and will at least let us all be more cognizant that there is such a dilemma regarding this matter. I guess we all just need to be more considerate about each other, even if we ARE just a bunch of mongers!!
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Phantomtiger2
09-02-09, 01:46
Am no expert but you may perhaps want to have a look at my humble opinion on report #1258 at 12:43 on 8/27/09 a couple pages back (sorry, on proxy and thus could not give you direct link)
SEAJ
Sorry Joe,
Forgot to mention that I did read your post and monitoring these South China threads carefully with some nervousness, but was looking for a bit more insight as to situation as not to have a total wasted vacation, but also realize nobody can predict the outcome in one months time when I arrive.
BTW: I was thinking of perhaps splitting my time and have some days in ZH but you said Zhu Hai was more a tourist destination?-does that mean forget about it as they will definitely clean /crackdown on this place for sure?
PT
I see no issue with bringing in girls as long as they are fun. 7/9 BYO (bring your own) is pretty harsh though meaning if alot are dull well there goes the party. It also limits the oppotunity for number gathering as that is also more available if all the girls are freshly picked and I don't hit on other guys BYOs
Although I have done this. I have regretted it half the time, it seems everytime I lunchbox there is alot of good choices and i regret that it is difficult to sample the new treats.
Dear all,
Not sure any of brother here has been to the above cities and if so, any recommendation on where to go in He Yuan and Hui Zhou - spa, KTV, BBS ?
Thanks a lot.
Dan Hawaii
09-02-09, 13:50
Wassup dudes,
I will be coming along with 3 other Hawaii peps and meeting another good friend in CP. So a total of 5 trouble makers, hahaha.
Should be arriving on Oct 7 and leaving Oct 16.
Please PM if you guys are going to in CP during this time.
It would be an honor to meet some familiar faces to join forces for BBS, KTV, and just partying. Nice to see a lot of seniors still posting on the board, SEAJ, OAH, Jim Traveler, FreePeaks, Race Track, and many more cool guys I have meet before.
We are pretty much ktv guys and should be hitting it almost every night. During the day, BBS and saunas are also on venue.
PS.. OAH, is Carol going to be around and his Manhattan friends :) ???
BSD, thanks for inviting me to SEAJ's birthday.
SEAJ, sorry I couldn't make it to your Birthday, I heard it was AWESOME!!! I have been working so much lately.
Dan Hawaii
09-02-09, 18:37
Hey Mr. "turn off the cold",
Your PM is full.
hahaha. Wow, naked ktv sounds like fun, of course we would like to go. I heard so many fun stuff abut it, thank you very much for the invite. I do have a china number, but that was from May/June time, and I dont know if I still have the SIM, gotta look for it, but I will let you know asap when I find it.
Hey Mr. "turn off the cold",
Your PM is full.
PM is empty now. Hey i know the word for airconditioner now so no more turn off the cold.
Good times ahead. see you there.
Dear all,
Not sure any of brother here has been to the above cities and if so, any recommendation on where to go in He Yuan and Hui Zhou - spa, KTV, BBS ?
Thanks a lot.Dear All,
I stationed in Huizhou. Feel free to pm me if you interested to visit Huizhou.
Thanks
Asian Prince 87
09-03-09, 10:46
Newbie trip report:
Came back from 4 days at CP. During 4 days, had two LT and one ST from the BBS behind Hui Hua. Approached by a mamasan near the square right outside Virgin Hotel, where I was staying. Bad choice by the way, I had the business suite (second highest priced) and although spacious, it smelled like paint/smoke. Anyways I love their 46rmb massage at the hotel though. Makes me feel sorry for those poor masseuses who are doing their best to survive without becoming a WG. Picked two girls at the BBS, lols. Attempted threesome. Failed. Hahaha. It was still fun though. I find it amusing and strange how these girls find I. Bu hao yi si. Rude to watch another girl in the act, or keep their eyes open during. Is this typical? Agreed upon prices were 200rmb for ST, 400rmb for LTs. Wanted to hit up some KTVs but couldn't, it was a solo trip. I'd love company next time! Get me a chance to really explore CP, I've only had a taste! Possibly in November/December!
More important though is which gals are Wood fish (will go out and screw) and which are Gold fish (only to sit with you at the room). And the identifying signals. I. E. Blue tags/string OK, Red tag. On the rag or name card on left side of dress OK, right side, not OK etc.
SEAJsome of the KTV girls are not WG? Huh? So they only collect the sitting fees?
Can someone elaborate on the blue strings/red tags? I am not familiar with this.
SE Asia Joe
09-03-09, 11:32
Dear All,
I stationed in Huizhou. Feel free to pm me if you interested to visit Huizhou.
Thanks
First time poster and writing that unmistakeable type of English!!
Hmmmm..... wonder what's this all about?!
Peace!!
SEAJ
First time poster and writing that unmistakeable type of English!!
Hmmmm..... wonder what's this all about?!
Peace!!
SEAJHi,
Sorry if I make any mistake in this thread. I have been following ISG for many years but only as a reader to get some information. Actually I intend to stay in this way, just that someone asking about Huizhou information (so hopefully I can give some guides and helps).
A brief introduction of myself, I have been traveling to CP and other Dongguan area since 12 years ago (but always keep low profile). Ever since I step into Huizhou 3 years ago, I like this place much more than CP. So I just want to give some guides to those who interested in Huizhou.
All the while, I didn’t join in or write anything in this thread due to my business (I open sauna in Huizhou and danshui). I don’t want to give people the intentions that I want to do business in this thread. Sorry for my bad English.
Come and go in peace.
First time poster and writing that unmistakeable type of English!!
Hmmmm..... wonder what's this all about?!
Peace!!
SEAJ
For those that are into bondage?
SE Asia Joe
09-04-09, 06:02
For those that are into bondage?
R.O.F.L.M.A.O.!:D
SEAJ
Member #4144
09-04-09, 06:21
I have made my first trip to CP and finally met BSD, and confirmed what others had said, that he is a hell of a fun guy and really helpful!
I want to put in my travel details here as I found such info would have been helpful for myself when planning for my trip. Basically, how to get to CP from a flight from US as typical arrival time would be late afternoon. Unless you have a day to spare, which I don't, I need to get to CP before all the good looking KTV girls are taken, which is generally agreed to be as early as possible but on week days might extend to maybe even 8pm.
My UA flight from Chicago landed in HK airport 4:40 pm. There is no longer the need to wait for paramedics to come on board to check temperatures so I was able to get off the plane rather quickly and get out of custom at 5pm. I asked the Mainland Limousine counter which way to get to CP fastest and they told me the mpv direct would take 2 hours and there might be wait to get enough people, I decided to take the HuangGang mpv instead and take my chances. Once I get to the bus terminal on L3, I found there are actually two companies with mpv to China, so looks like it would be better to come down to L3 first and check out which van is ready to leave to decide which company and which way to go. I didn't know this beforehand so already bought ticket up stair, so I had to wait there seeing other mpvs keep departing.
Finally, my mpv was ready to go at 5:15 and got pass custom into Shenzhen HuangGang at 6pm. I found buses for CP right outside, but they told me I have to have tickets purchased in HK, cannot buy ticket on the spot, sucks! I quickly jumped into a taxi and headed for the Luohu train station and got on the 6:20 HeXie (CRH) train, which was a very comfortable ride and arrived CP train station at 6:48. Here is the break down of the costs:
HK airport mpv 140
SZ taxi 23
CRH Train to CP 40
Arrived Clipper which BSD booked a very nice steam room for me at 7pm and called BSD, and he was already at Clipper in the same floor with Bruce, so I met them in my room. To make a long story short, we entered Manhattan flower street at 7:30 and met up with Jim there, and thank god, there are still quite a few cuties left. I had a wonderful time with agree 100% that it is best to go KTV with ISG brothers, and thanks to BSD, it is all so simple, and I wish I had found out about ISG earlier and met such fun people earlier.
Fillmore
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SE Asia Joe
09-04-09, 07:03
Newbie trip report:
Came back from 4 days at CP. During 4 days, had two LT and one ST from the BBS behind Hui Hua. Approached by a mamasan near the square right outside Virgin Hotel, where I was staying. Bad choice by the way, I had the business suite (second highest priced) and although spacious, it smelled like paint/smoke. Anyways I love their 46rmb massage at the hotel though. Makes me feel sorry for those poor masseuses who are doing their best to survive without becoming a WG. Picked two girls at the BBS, lols. Attempted threesome. Failed. Hahaha. It was still fun though. I find it amusing and strange how these girls find I. Bu hao yi si. Rude to watch another girl in the act, or keep their eyes open during. Is this typical? Agreed upon prices were 200rmb for ST, 400rmb for LTs. Wanted to hit up some KTVs but couldn't, it was a solo trip. I'd love company next time! Get me a chance to really explore CP, I've only had a taste! Possibly in November/December!
some of the KTV girls are not WG? Huh? So they only collect the sitting fees?
Can someone elaborate on the blue strings/red tags? I am not familiar with this.
Behind the Hui Hua and not behind the Hui Mei? There's at least 3 BBS's behind the Hui Mei and the rate is 150 ST and 400 LT. And just a word of advise/caution - not a good idea at all for you to go singly... and really a bad idea to follow a momasan - lotsa things could have gone down.
You should've also contacted/PMS'd guys on the board to see who you could've mongered with - would have been a lot more fun, cheaper AND safer.
And you say RMB 46 massage? You mean a fotsie don't you? Never heard of an actuall massage that cheap.
And as for the KTV gals - I'd say that practically all of 'em are WG's - but when they are on the rag, they really could not "do it" and will thus just offer "sitting" services. And as far as the tags are concerned - each KTV have their own way of identifying which gals are "Fan Pien" or Bu Fan Pien." Just ask the momma who gets asked this regularly.
SEAJ
Earlier I post a report but didn’t appear, maybe due to the core of my business in Huizhou.
Just to clarify that I am not trying to promote myself or advertise my business here. I just want to share some information about Huizhou with everyone, so that there is another fun place for all to enjoy. Sorry if I post this report at the wrong place as there is no thread about Huizhou.
Dear all,
Not sure any of brother here has been to the above cities and if so, any recommendation on where to go in He Yuan and Hui Zhou - spa, KTV, BBS ?
Thanks a lot.
Foxdana,
Dunno about HeYuan, or HuiZhou city itself. But near Huizhou, there is the city of DanShui. For clarity: there is Greater Huizhou = Huizhou county (which is about the size of DongGuan = about 80 km from one end to another). Then there is Huizhou city. And then there is the city of DanShui, which is inside Greater Huizhou. DanShui is in the HuiYang district of Greater HuiZhou. DanShui is about: 40 minutes from HuiZhou city, 1 hour from Luohu, 1-1.5 hours from CP.
DanShui is a surprisingly big town considering there really isn't anything of interest other than the endless factories you find everywhere in Southern China. Roughly the size of Zhuhai, I figure. The name of the game is saunas in DanShui. Cheap saunas. Most places have the following price structure: 168 rmb for 70 minutes (1 shot), 268 for 100 minutes (2 shots), 318 for the nicer looking BuZhang's (office ladies) for 100 min/2 shots.
Some places have a 2 girl special: 2 girls for 318 rmb for 100 minutes/2 shots. But the crappy part is that you do the girls one after the other. I.e. after your first shot, girl #1 leaves and girl #2 takes over. Chinese girls are just not into lesbian/bi/MFF action...
Most of the sauna places in DanShui are small, you get to see anywhere from 5 to 15 girls, and then they are literally out of girls (except for the ones fucking customers). And most of the girls are not so good looking, so you need to shop around. Of course the sauna manager will pressure you to take one of his/her girls, so if you are not used to telling people to fuck off in China, this may not be for you. Having said that, if you shop around enough, you should find something suitable.
Tip1: except for the poshest hotels in town, the price structure is above as mentioned. Whether the place is a proper 3-star place, or a dump. So do the smart thing, pick the nicer places.
Tip2: girls are generally speaking not that good looking, so you may have to upgrade to an "office lady" for 318. 318 for 100 minutes is cheap, but not that cheap BTW. Lots of places in DongGuan have saunas for around 350 FS now. Heck, even CP has a sauna for 358 all-in.
Overall, if you just want pure, hardcore mongering, DanShui may not be the place for you. Especially since it's a bit out of the way. But I like the town of DanShui itself, cause it feels like a normal town (despite the fact that there seems to be a hotel every 100 meters). CP is getting way too commercial lately.
If you go to DanShui, go to 开城大道 = KaiCheng DaDao = KaiCheng road. There is a busstation nearby (note, DanShui has 2 busstations). Walk along KaiCheng road, lots of hotels along it, and every hotel has a sauna. There are other fun areas in DanShui of course, but those are spaced further apart and not really walkable.
ShiBaXian, how about a report on Huizhou city?
SE Asia Joe
09-04-09, 16:48
Earlier I post a report but didn’t appear, maybe due to the core of my business in Huizhou.
Just to clarify that I am not trying to promote myself or advertise my business here. I just want to share some information about Huizhou with everyone, so that there is another fun place for all to enjoy. Sorry if I post this report at the wrong place as there is no thread about Huizhou.
My apologies for having a bit of fun at your expense - but I was truly suspicious that you may be the LE at work :) But then again, who's to know one way or the other :(
AND a warm welcome to you - we certainly need MORE contributors/writers on this board - especially for places where there is little or no information previously. I for one would very much like to get more information about your neck of the woods - and perhaps make my way out there one of these days soon.
First thing first, besides saunas, what other "Action" is there in your area and the costs vs quality vs quantity etc` - especially things that are sort of "unique" there. And don't worry about telling us about your own business/Sauna, espcecially when you are up-front about it. IMHO, I don't see anything wrong with you doing so as information to us all and if you don't get carried away with ONLY promoting your business. If your services are good, we'd all probably will go willingly - especially if you're gonna take care of us with li'l specials or discounts!! :D
Also, what is the best way for us to go to your town - say from Hong Kong or Shenzhen or Guangzhou or Chang Ping etc. Also, where are you exactly located at? I'm a bit confused - especially after reading Wadman's piece as to where you are exactly.
Thanks a lot
SEAJ
I has received a few pm from the seniors. Thanks a lot for the support. Just give some idea about Huizhou city and how I feel about this place.
In the first place, what Wadman mentioned about Danshui and Huizhou is quite true. Just to explain a bit, Huizhou is one of the main cities in Guangdong province.
Danshui and Huiyang are considered a more developed town side to Huizhou. Just like Dongguan is the main city, Chang Ping and Chang An are considered developed town.
Based on my own view between Changping and Huizhou;
1.60% of the KTV girls in Huizhou don't go out with customers after the drinking sessions, unlike Chang ping KTV girls (I can say at least 90% willing to go out). The reasons I will explain in future. That's why, when I just step into Huizhou few years ago, I didn't manage to get any girl back to my room some times. So in Huizhou KTV, it is like a mind game between the guy and the girl. Of course, if the guy doesn't want to take the challenge, he still can go for the other 40% (which the girls will sure go out). The price for the girls is same as Dongguan 2-5-8. However, in a nearby town named Chenjiang (15min by car), the price for the girls is 1-4-7. In appearance, Changping girls know fashion and make-up better than Huizhou girls. However, Huizhou girls are not ugly but just look more natural. I believe some seniors have the same feeling as me, sometimes when you get a girl in changping KTV, you can get a scare in the morning because the girl can look some difference without make-up. For Huizhou KTV girls, I am quite sure you will not get the scare. Most important, Huizhou KTV girls are obedient, gentle and really give you a girlfriend feeling. Most of my friends from hongkong, Taiwan and even local China, dies in the hand of the Huizhou's girls.
2. The price for drinking, Huizhou KTV is at least 30% cheaper than Changping. One bottle of beer is about rmb 25 28, buy 1 get 1. A KJ tip is rmb100. However, we need to pay the mamasan tip rmb 200 per room. If you don't want to drink in KTV, you can choose to go their pub, spacious and cheap. Price per beer is from rmb 8 10. There are quite a number of pubs in Huizhou. There is another type of pub which they called it 'jing ba' translated as quiet pub. This type of pub has a few cubicle rooms which can sit from 2 10 people depend on the size of the room, and play some relaxing music. If a group of friends, they can play card or dice in the room. If a guy and a girl, they can.. I also doesn't know, because there is door for every room. Price for beer is rmb 100 per dozen.
3. Place of interest – there is a artificial lake named 'xiao xi hu' also means small west lake, nice scenery. Can stroll with your girlfriend day or night. There is a shopping area near there. Famous for drinking and shopping. There is a big shopping complex named 'Yiwu' at jiang pei area (10 mins by car). Just like the real Yiwu in China but only in small scale. You can find all the hardware, clothing and accessories over there. Bargain to get the best price.
4. What you can do in summer season – river ride, sea sport, hire a yacht for fishing and BBQ at 'da ya wan' area near Huizhou. What you can do in winter season – mountain walking, hot spring, etc. That why I like Huizhou more that Changping, at least I can do something more healthy rather than just to fxx and drinking for the whole trip.
5. How to come to Huizhou from; a) changping – by bus takes about 2.5hrs directly but I think there is certain timing. Bus fare is about rmb 28 one way. By private car takes about 45mins. Cost about rmb 180. B) hongkong – more advisable to take bus at terminal 2, under 'yong dong' bus company. Go directly to Huizhou bus station, just need to get off at Shenzhen custom for immigration clearance but very fast. Sorry I don't know how to write the Shenzhen custom name (it is something call 'cow horn' in Cantonese). That custom is more crowded like luohu or huanggang. Bus fare per trip is HKD 200. If you buy round trip is HKD 360. C) Guangzhou & Shenzhen airport – there is direct bus to Huizhou, started recently. Sorry I know there is direct bus but don't know the fare and how distance time.
6. Hotel – depends on individual preference. 3 star hotel named 'hao yue', opened by Good Luck hotel boss in Changping. Near to Walmart shopping mall. Room charges rmb 200 per night. 4 star hotel named 'Lu Hui' and the other 'Tian yu', both quite convenient as there are many sauna, restaurants, shopping centre around, room charges about rmb300 400 per nite. 5 star hotel named 'Kande', facing directly to the West Lake, room charges about rmb 700 1000. I don't recommend other hotels as their bed is very different from changping – super hard. Personal view, I feel that 3 star hotel 'hao yue' is good enough.
7. Safety – sure Huizhou is safer than Changping. Last month they are trying to opt for the civilization city in Guangdong province.
I think I have enough introductions about Huizhou. Sorry for my bad English again.
Will post some of photos after I learn how to.
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Also, what is the best way for us to go to your town - say from Hong Kong or Shenzhen or Guangzhou or Chang Ping etc. Also, where are you exactly located at? I'm a bit confused - especially after reading Wadman's piece as to where you are exactly.
Thanks a lot
SEAJ
Joe,
HuiZhou is a county/region similar in size to DongGuan. And much like DongGuan has DongGuan city, HuiZhou has HuiZhou city. HuiZhou county is east of DongGuan region. It's adjacent to Dongguan. There are buses from Luohu to DanShui (and HuiZhou city too, I imagine). A lot of the P4P customers are Taiwanese and... HongKongers.
They just finished a brand spanking new highway connecting DanShui with LongGang (and in turn Shenzhen city), so travelling to it is easy now. No train connection. No direct bus from CP either.
HuiZhou city is in the northern part of Huizhou county, while DanShui is in the southern part of it.
And ummm... other than that, look at a GuangDong map some time.
My apologies for having a bit of fun at your expense. But I was truly suspicious that you may be the LE at work. But then again, who's to know one way or the other.No problem. Thanks for your support.
Just a bit more about myself; I started sauna business in Huizhou area early this year. As a foreigner, I really have a hard road in front of me to get things done. (Maybe I can write a true story later about how a foreigner opens a side business in China – can be quite interesting, some gang crash, some government hidden story, etc. *just joking*).
However, after I start this business, I really have a chance to go deeper into China culture. As a foreigner, till now I still cannot fully understand the real thinking of a China man.
Only half of my time will be in Huizhou, if any brothers happen to meet me there, drinks on me. I am just a lonely guy doing nothing in my sauna, but typing reports in ISG and waiting for someone to drink with me.
Jettsetter
09-05-09, 03:40
I have made my first trip to CP and finally met BSD, and confirmed what others had said, that he is a hell of a fun guy and really helpful!
I want to put in my travel details here as I found such info would have been helpful for myself when planning for my trip. Basically, how to get to CP from a flight from US as typical arrival time would be late afternoon. Unless you have a day to spare, which I don't, I need to get to CP before all the good looking KTV girls are taken, which is generally agreed to be as early as possible but on week days might extend to maybe even 8pm.
My UA flight from Chicago landed in HK airport 4:40 pm. There is no longer the need to wait for paramedics to come on board to check temperatures so I was able to get off the plane rather quickly and get out of custom at 5pm. I asked the Mainland Limousine counter which way to get to CP fastest and they told me the mpv direct would take 2 hours and there might be wait to get enough people, I decided to take the HuangGang mpv instead and take my chances. Once I get to the bus terminal on L3, I found there are actually two companies with mpv to China, so looks like it would be better to come down to L3 first and check out which van is ready to leave to decide which company and which way to go. I didn't know this beforehand so already bought ticket up stair, so I had to wait there seeing other mpvs keep departing.
Finally, my mpv was ready to go at 5:15 and got pass custom into Shenzhen HuangGang at 6pm. I found buses for CP right outside, but they told me I have to have tickets purchased in HK, cannot buy ticket on the spot, sucks! I quickly jumped into a taxi and headed for the Luohu train station and got on the 6:20 HeXie (CRH) train, which was a very comfortable ride and arrived CP train station at 6:48. Here is the break down of the costs:
HK airport mpv 140
SZ taxi 23
CRH Train to CP 40
Arrived Clipper which BSD booked a very nice steam room for me at 7pm and called BSD, and he was already at Clipper in the same floor with Bruce, so I met them in my room. To make a long story short, we entered Manhattan flower street at 7:30 and met up with Jim there, and thank god, there are still quite a few cuties left. I had a wonderful time with agree 100% that it is best to go KTV with ISG brothers, and thanks to BSD, it is all so simple, and I wish I had found out about ISG earlier and met such fun people earlier.
Fillmore
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Hey Fillmore.. perhaps you shouldn't use people's names on the board... we all have handles for a reason... in person, obviously it's different, but on the board, I'm sure my buddies wouldn't want to be identified by name... please use better discretion.
-J
Bob Builder
09-05-09, 04:34
No problem. Thanks for your support.
Just a bit more about myself; I started sauna business in Huizhou area early this year. As a foreigner, I really have a hard road in front of me to get things done. (Maybe I can write a true story later about how a foreigner opens a side business in China – can be quite interesting, some gang crash, some government hidden story, etc. *just joking*).
However, after I start this business, I really have a chance to go deeper into China culture. As a foreigner, till now I still cannot fully understand the real thinking of a China man.
Only half of my time will be in Huizhou, if any brothers happen to meet me there, drinks on me. I am just a lonely guy doing nothing in my sauna, but typing reports in ISG and waiting for someone to drink with me.
Used to pass a lot many years ago to look at a few factories there and found it to be a bit of a hick town, then it bacame a hick town with a McDonalds.
Had a good sauna experience there. There was a large sauna in a standalone building diagonally across the road from the shoping centre with the McD. Decor seemed quite classy. Had own car park with parking attendants who led you into the building. All the action was done in a hotel like room with large double bed and own bathroom with large tiled seat in the bath room where you sat while the gal washed you. Gals were dressed in mini-skirts. Was doggying the gal I got and playfully probed backdoor. Ended up getting anal with gal face down on the bed feigning that she did not do or like it with limited resistance. Definitely not the first time for her. Did not know the cost as my pals paid the bill before I got downstairs.
Is this place still there? Seemed a long way to go for Sauna action as it was over 2 hours round trip from Shenzhen on the highway but enjoyable all the same.
B) hongkong – more advisable to take bus at terminal 2, under 'yong dong' bus company. Go directly to Huizhou bus station, just need to get off at Shenzhen custom for immigration clearance but very fast. Sorry I don't know how to write the Shenzhen custom name (it is something call 'cow horn' in Cantonese). That custom is more crowded like luohu or huanggang. Bus fare per trip is HKD 200. If you buy round trip is HKD 360.Sorry, typo mistake. The Shenzhen is custom is named 'sha tou jiao'. And less crowded than luohu & huanggang cusotm. The whole journey from HKIA to Huizhou is about 3.5hours.
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 06:51
No problem. Thanks for your support.
Just a bit more about myself; I started sauna business in Huizhou area early this year. As a foreigner, I really have a hard road in front of me to get things done. (Maybe I can write a true story later about how a foreigner opens a side business in China – can be quite interesting, some gang crash, some government hidden story, etc. *just joking*).
However, after I start this business, I really have a chance to go deeper into China culture. As a foreigner, till now I still cannot fully understand the real thinking of a China man.
Only half of my time will be in Huizhou, if any brothers happen to meet me there, drinks on me. I am just a lonely guy doing nothing in my sauna, but typing reports in ISG and waiting for someone to drink with me.
Hi Shibaxian - that's a great report and I learned a lot from reading it.
As per Wadman's advise to RTFM (Read the Fuckin' Map - harrumph:(!!) I now think I know where it is - but perhaps you can correct me.
1. I believe that the border crossing you write about is the ShaTauKok/ ShaTauJiao (Sand head horn?) border crossing and there are buses from Kowloon Tong, (via Fanling (Luen Wo Hui or Fanling station) which you can take directly to either Dan shui/Taam Shui or Huizhou/Weichow.
2. Danshui is basically North of Dapeng/Tai Pang, Daya Bay and Nam O, where I used to go a lot to play Golf at the New Century Seaview and go to their 1-3-6 KTV at the Entertainment City/Yu Lok Sing (apoligze for my bad English spelling of Cantonese names as I believe that you also speak Cantonese only?).
3. Huizhou/Wei chow is North of Danshui and is a bigger (?) town than Dan shui? Where do you spend more of your time at - the Danshui or the Huizhou Sauna and where would you recommend we go to to experiene the best. Wadman seems to have been to Danshui a lot/seems to enjoy it - but do you think that Huizou is better - or Danshui?
4. You mention that you're a foreigner who speaks Cantonese - care to give us a bit more info about yourself? I know that there are quite a few French nationals living in Dapeng and working at the Daya Bay Nuclear power plant (which is the first nuclear plant in china and was built by the French) - are you French?
Anyway, lots more questions etc - but I guess more than enough for now..... and yes PLEASE keep up the reports as I believe that quite a few of us would be interested to go up there and have a change from the usual haunts.
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 07:02
which I forgot to ask again - what are the "other" actions i Huizhou/Danshui besides KTV and Sauna? Are there good BBS's?
I many times prefer good BBS's gals - especially for during the day as they are awake vs these KTV gals who sleep till 2PM and there is no nonsense about "I'm KTV gal and don't do THAT" etc. And of course BBBs gals are a helluva lot cheaper than these KTV gals and thus I don't think nothing of throwing a BBS gal out and changing another one if the session was not good.
I remember that the 4th floor of entertainment City in DaPeng doubles as both a sauna as well as a BBS - and the same KTV 1-3-6 gals would also do BBS's pricing of 150ST/400 ON.:) Also, I recall on the li'l alleyways off the main DaPeng square, there were also a couple BBS (ones with an actual beauty salon front) that offered gals at I THINK RMB 150/400.
Any good BBS action in Huizhou/Danshui?
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 07:33
2. The price for drinking, Huizhou KTV is at least 30% cheaper than Changping. One bottle of beer is about rmb 25 28, buy 1 get 1. A KJ tip is rmb100. However, we need to pay the mamasan tip rmb 200 per room.
Yes, I recall in Dapeng that the KTV mommie would really be a pain in the ass and always try to get you to pay them a tip.
I found out later from a momma that I ended up banging that these tips are really NOT required /not a must - but that since a large majority of the customers there were "Locals" these locals do give tips to Mommies regularly.
The rationale is that Locals are quite aware that a good relationship with a mommie will result in them getting "choice" merchandise and also "face" when they next come to do their entertaining etc. And thus the raison d'etre for them to pay tips to Mommies.
At CP, SZN, GZ etc - where the choice of venues are a lot larger, there is not the same need to curry favor with mommies as in smaller towns where there may only be a couple or so joints.
So Shibaxian - what's your take on this?
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 08:09
Dear all,
Not sure any of brother here has been to the above cities and if so, any recommendation on where to go in He Yuan and Hui Zhou - spa, KTV, BBS ?
Thanks a lot.
Got enough info yet??!!:)
I'd think so and I'd suggest that you're now obligated to write us here a FULL report as to your visit there.
Please??!!
SEAJ
thanks seaj to correct me on the custom issue. i think i counted as a foreigner as i am holding a singapore passport. just happen that my root is from? (shan tou) which is near to huizhou, so doing business over there is quite convenient for me.
for your info, only small group of people in huizhou can speak cantonese. the biggest dialect group is 'ha ka' –? and 'teochew' –? .
sorry if i always use donguan, changping as a benchmark to compare. because i think it is easier for brothers to understand as they have been there.
1. ktv girls – as mentioned earlier, ktv girls always have the attitude problems such as 'i don't do this and that', i cannot sleep well in hotel', etc in changping ktv. i am not saying that huizhou ktv girls will not behave in this way (all depends on your luck). but i can assure you that the attitude for the huizhou girl is much better than changping. they don't have the attitude like 'complaint to my mamasan if you want, i don't hack care.' previously i have said, 60% of the ktv girls will not go out with customer even you have money, 40% will sure go out. if you manage to hook the girls in the 60% range to go back with you, then you are in luck. this girl will treat you like her boyfriend. the only problem is not what time you want her to go back, it is how you want to get rid of her. of course, if you have feeling with her, by all means, take her for a few days to explore huizhou. if you only manage to get the girls at the 40% range, you don't have to worry. there is a 'rule' in huizhou ktv that the girl is only to leave the hotel after 10am. quote 2 incident:. a) once i brought 4 friends to ktv. after the drinking session, one of the girls doesn't want to follow my friend back. we complaint to the mamasan, result that girl has to kneel in front of him to apologized (of course this is not we want it to happen). but then my friend has no mood anymore. damage control from mamasan – get a better girl for my friend which make him a happy man the next day. b) another incident – i brought a hongkong friend to huizhou ktv. after that, he brought back the girl and has a good laugh the next day. he said that his girl is too obedient, keep on asking permission from him such as to take shower with him, to sleep with him, even ask permission whether can bbbj for him. of course, i don't mean that all these incidents can happen to you, all depends on luck. their attitude is much better, but maybe not so experience on bed. i think you can teach them.
2. sauna girls – compare to changping, sauna in huizhou is messier. as a benchmark, changping is a town with a few big saunas operates in big hotels (like a few giant shopping centre in a town). a sauna in changping can hold out to hundreds over girls. huizhou is a city with over 150 saunas operates in hotels & motels (like 150 over convenient stores rep001ter in a city). big size sauna can have about 100 over girls, middle size sauna can have about 40 60 girls, and small size sauna can have 10 30 girls. the quantities of the sauna girls are much more than changping for sure, but rep001ter among 100 over sauna. so as a foreigner, how you know whether you got to the right sauna and get a good service? that why i come into picture and guide you. to be frank, i am reluctant to ask any brothers to visit my sauna. first, the most foreigners in huizhou city are taiwanese, japanese & korean (asian size). not many foreigners from the west in huizhou, so i also don't know whether the sauna girls can provide good service. but i did a survey, most of sauna girls want to try the taste of the west. i think it is a sort of collection for the girls, taste different flavor. i don't want to spoil my sauna reputation if any brother complaint about my girls service in this forum. better let you try other famous sauna first. the service for the sauna girls is about the same as dongguan, except they are more hardworking and better attitude. a lot of my local china friends tried the sauna service in huizhou.comments from them, they prefer the girls' service in huizhou than dongguan. the girls' attitude is much better; the feeling is more like having sex with your girlfriend than just fxxking a robot. hope you understand what i mean. not all the sauna girls in huizhou are ugly compared to changping. it is just like a feeling that you can find a lot of beautiful things in a big shopping mall, and you can find a few beautiful things in convenient stores. price of sauna in huizhou, basically the range is 300 for normal girls, 400 for models, 500 for supervisors & manageress, 2 hours and 3 shots. also there is no room charges except for those big sauna in big hotel where there is room charges, range rmb 168 268. a lot of sauna in huizhou practice rmb 200 for normal, 1 hour 1 shot now. the reason is because the sauna business is very competitive in huizhou. but cheap things doesn't mean is a good offer. most sauna has this promotion is because their business is bad and the girls are not up to standard. i think many senior will agree with me that if your business is good, will you want to slash your price?
3. bbs girls – to be frank, i never try bbs girls in huizhou before. but i know a few bbs place. same as sauna, rep001ter in all area of huizhou. sorry to say that the standard of the bbs in huizhou is rather low, mainly for the local low salary workers for their quickie. the price is rmb 150 for st. but sometimes you can find some gems in bbs. bbs is not so popular in huizhou because the price for the sauna is relatively low. do your math, you rather spend rmb 150 for a bbs girl in your room for one shot with little service, or you rather spend rmb 200 for a sauna girl for one shot with free room and better service. cannot compare the bbs in changping, which already spoil by foreigners (if you know what the original purpose of bbs in china is).
actually in term of sex industry for huizhou, it may not be as good as dongguan (which has been molded to meet foreigner requirement by hongkong and taiwan people in the past). however, i think it is good place for an old guy like me who is tired to drink and fxxk for the whole trip. i rather find some loving feeling with the girls, see some beautiful scenery, have some light drinking and do some outdoor sports. my suggestion is that if you just want to fxxk and drink for the whole trip, it is better for you to stick in changping and changan. if you want to relax, you can come to huizhou.
as this is a thread about dongguan, i will not post too many reports here. i will be shifted to ace's forum that has a thread on huizhou. but i will still try to answer all the questions that anyone wants to know. thanks a lot for your support.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Yes, I recall in Dapeng that the KTV mommie would really be a pain in the ass and always try to get you to pay them a tip.Hi,
In Huizhou, exactly most of the mommies take tips. I remember that I was shocked the first time when I need to pay tips to a mommy in a KTV. But my Taiwan friend who has been staying there for some times, told me that every town every city in China has their own rules. What we experience in other places, doesn't apply to every place. Mommies in Huizhou will not take tips from customers under 2 conditions;
1. She just joined a new KTV;
2. Or she is working in not so popular KTV.
I ever experienced one incident; 1 customer has a quarrel with a mommy in a popular KTV. The mommy told everyone that she is not going to let any girls to entertain this customer that night. So no matter how the customer angry and argue, he really have to eat himself that night and after that. Actually giving tip to the mommies is still up to individual. Really difficult to say whether it is right or wrong. But always I give tips to mommies the first time; she will not take from me the second times if I visit again. Instead I get back something extra, such as after I drink to the minimum room charges, all drink & food after that is free. She will make sure that the girl that I take back is problem-free. There are many KTV in Huizhou, but many cannot make it compare to changping standard. As far as I know, there are only 4 KTV in Huizhou that can be par with changping standard in term of hardware and software.
To clarify, I might be staying in Huizhou for 3 years. But I still not counted as a professional there. Huizhou has a bigger map than Dongguan; there are still many places that I haven't explored. Eg, Dongguan also needs a lot of seniors to take their times to explore and report many years, then become famous in international. So very sorry that not all the questions I can answer, maybe some seniors can give better comments in Huizhou. As far as I know, Huizhou will be famous in the next few years. This is because the government is building an mtr (mass rapid train) from Shenzhen to Huizhou via dongguan. In future, travel from Dongguan to Huizhou takes only 20 minutes by mtr. I heard that they will complete the project in 2011, but don't know how true.
Excellent report Shibaxian.
I will surely try to visit Huizhou & meet you in my next trip to Cina in Nov last.
Cheers
Big Swingin Dave
09-05-09, 18:57
Excellent report Shibaxian.
I will surely try to visit Huizhou & meet you in my next trip to Cina in Nov last.
Cheers
SEAJoe and all, should we consider a new thread in the forum for Huizhou because HZ is not in DG...
BSD
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 19:33
SEAJoe and all, should we consider a new thread in the forum for Huizhou because HZ is not in DG...
BSD
Good idea - and in fact, I've already posted on the "Suggest New Topics Here" thread to request Jackson to do so.
Perhaps some of you guys could also do the same?
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-05-09, 19:56
Thanks SEAJ to correct me on the custom issue. I think I counted as a foreigner as I am holding a Singapore passport. Just happen that my root is from? (shan tou) which is near to Huizhou, so doing business over there is quite convenient for me.
For your info, only small group of people in Huizhou can speak Cantonese. The biggest dialect group is 'Ha ka' –? And 'teochew' –? .
........................... If you want to relax, you can come to Huizhou.
As this is a thread about dongguan, I will not post too many reports here. I will be shifted to Ace's forum that has a thread on Huizhou. But I will still try to answer all the questions that anyone wants to know. Thanks a lot for your support.
Thanks Shibaxian - excellent report and I will definitely come out your way soon.
Please note that I've already asked Jackson (ISG's administrator) to create a "South China - HuiZhou" thread. Why don't you just continue posting here until Jackson does make up the thread? The Dongguan thread I believe is one of the more active threads and it will benefit more of us if you will continue to do so here for now.
Thanks again
SEAJ
Ps. And if a separate thread cannot be made (Jackson may think there is already too many China threads etc) then perhaps you could move the reports and discussion on Huizhou to the "South China - All Areas" thread.
Fast Eddie 48
09-06-09, 02:43
SEAJoe and all, should we consider a new thread in the forum for Huizhou because HZ is not in DG...
BSDto BSD
South china have too many city and county ,Jackson already set up south china other area for that ,Huizou is not a major county for mongering like donguuan or shenzhen .
Fast eddie 48
to BSD
South china have too many city and county ,Jackson already set up south china other area for that ,Huizou is not a major county for mongering like donguuan or shenzhen .
Fast eddie 48
I may disagree with Fast Eddie on the Shenzhen thread but I gotta agree with him here. A seperate thread for HuiZhou county is a bit too much.
Hi Shibaxian,
Great report on Huizhou but which town are you situated ? Huizhou is huge actually and quite a number of these towns are quite the backwater type discounting Huizhou City which seem quite large as my driver got lost once there. I've been to Boluo, Hui Dong and Hui Chen and a few towns which i dont' remember. Never tried to stay there before though.
I prefer to base myself at CP on my trips to China and i travel around within a 3 hour car ride radius for my factory visits. If i ever pass by your town maybe i may come and give you some cheering up !!
Hi Shibaxian,
Great report on Huizhou but which town are you situated ? Huizhou is huge actually and quite a number of these towns are quite the backwater type discounting Huizhou City which seem quite large as my driver got lost once there. I've been to Boluo, Hui Dong and Hui Chen and a few towns which i dont' remember. Never tried to stay there before though.
I prefer to base myself at CP on my trips to China and i travel around within a 3 hour car ride radius for my factory visits. If i ever pass by your town maybe i may come and give you some cheering up !!Just try to share some knowledge and history, correct me if I am wrong. For the whole Dongguan, there is a Dongguan city. Changping, Changan , Humen, liaobu, huangjiang, etc, are the towns in Dongguan. If I am not wrong, there are over 30 over towns in Dongguan. So why Changping is so famous and everybody thinking it is the main city in Dongguan. This is because long, long time ago, there is a famous gangster in Changping who became ‘super’ rich thru’ all the illegal business. So one day he built a train station in Changping which supposed to build in the Dongguan city. So everyone just knows Changping and forget Dongguan city (sorry, out of the topic.)
Same for Huizhou, there is a Huizhou city. Danshui, huiyang, boluo, chenjiang, etc, are the towns in Huizhou. So I am in Huizhou city. A bit of history again – why everybody knows danshui so well (just like changping) instead of the Huizhou city. This is because in the 80’s, there are many Hong Kong truck drivers travelling the express road and danshui is a place where they stop to release their sex desire. That why danshui is famous for their sauna instead of ktv. Hope this clear the cloud for all brothers.
Manhattan KTV. BSD says it's a good value during the weekday with the room charges. The quality of girls are pretty good and their attitudes are good. I was there two months ago and the Flower Street was divided into two floors, but now, I guess they put all the girls on one floor (perhaps it was the weekday). I like this better, but some of the girls are hidden behind the flower street so you may have to walk around to see all the girls.
Plus, they recently have this "show" at 9:30 or so where they give away prizes, have DJs or managers sing, and generally act all goofy to make everyone laugh. This takes place on one of the floors and there are only a few benches to sit on. So yes, it's hot, it's crowded, and there are very few seats. The singing is terrible, the jokes are lame, and the prizes are not worth having (water bottles, can openers, fans, cheap perfumes). The girls have fun (I guess) but I don't see how any of the customers get a kick out of this. In fact, as BSD observes, it takes the customers out of the room, and consequently, not drinking or spending more money. But one advantage of this "show" is that you see all the girls as well as their interaction with their dates. Good for future reference.
Back in the room, the mood is kinda diluted. Some start singing again to get the mood back to where it was. Then, the girls start turning on their cute mode and start asking for food or milk (yeah, no idea what this is about) or drinks. This is where they will start "adding" to the cost of the bill.
A veteran guru of the p4p scene advised me (paraphrasing), "It doesn't pay to be nice or shy in China."
Well, when everyone bonds together and say NO, the girls will get the message. But once "having-trouble-saying-NO-to-girls" me said sure to my girl and then ALL the girls rises up and wants to order something. D'oh!
Same thing with leaving the room to get dressed in regular clothes. Once someone in the room (usually dumbass me) says ok to the girl, the rest notices and follows. And for stripping KTVs, when the manager gets the girls to take off their tops, it will stay off until some too nice guys says it's ok for his date to put it back on. Then they all put their tops on! That's why it's good for the group to go with a veteran who's aware of these things and is firm with his decisions.
As for ordering food and drinks, selling whatever is in-season, or bugging you to book the room from her, it seems to be the trend in CP that the girls get docked from their pay if they don't fill the monthly quota for helping their employers make more money. So they're forced to help the KTV/hotel sell the stuff to the customers or they are penalized. It's a double-edged sword where either the customer loses or the girl loses. Again, there's ways of getting around the situation, so it's best to let the veteran do all the decision making and not have the girl sell you something you don't need and have the other girls follow (thus putting everyone in the group on the spot).
Plus, I hate the "When are you coming back...I miss you so much...please book the room through me..." texts.
Member #4144
09-07-09, 01:54
Plus, they recently have this "show" at 9:30 or so where they give away prizes, have DJs or managers sing, and generally act all goofy to make everyone laugh.That night the singing Dj/Manager was really hot and sang with almost perfect English, I wonder what it takes to have her sit with me. They guy who introduced her to the crowd said she was available, but I already had 3 girls that night. Maybe the whole "show" was to start bidding wars.
Fillmore
SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 05:35
.... Then, the girls start turning on their cute mode and start asking for food or milk (yeah, no idea what this is about) or drinks. This is where they will start "adding" to the cost of the bill.
Well, when everyone bonds together and say NO, the girls will get the message. But once "having-trouble-saying-NO-to-girls" me said sure to my girl and then ALL the girls rises up and wants to order something. D'oh!
Same thing with leaving the room to get dressed in regular clothes. Once someone in the room (usually dumbass me) says ok to the girl, the rest notices and follows. And for stripping KTVs, when the manager gets the girls to take off their tops, it will stay off until some too nice guys says it's ok for his date to put it back on. Then they all put their tops on! That's why it's good for the group to go with a veteran who's aware of these things and is firm with his decisions.
As for ordering food and drinks, selling whatever is in-season, or bugging you to book the room from her,.......... Again, there's ways of getting around the situation, so it's best to let the veteran do all the decision making and not have the girl sell you something you don't need and have the other girls follow (thus putting everyone in the group on the spot).
Bruce - good natured/polite Bruce. Good on ya guy!!
Great that you've pointed out some of the "faux pas" that one commits at a KTV - many times unwittingly - and which puts a damper on the "Buzz."
You rightly point out that a "veteran" who's aware of these things/is gonna be firm in his decision/instructions is essential for keeping the proceedings going smoothly. But let me tell you, this guy has a helluva job to do. I've a few times been "appointed" such a veteran - and let me tell you, doing this job just totally kills off my own enjoyment of the "experience" as I end up keeping an eye out for everything and saying "NO" to everything. Thank God for BS Dave these days!
I say its' great that you're aware of your own "faux pas" and willing to control yourself - and this is precisely what is needed for a KTV session to be a great night out for everybody - guys who all control themselves and are concerned about others' feelings, concerns and refrain from doing things which affects other's enjoyment etc.
I'd like to outline some other faux pas - starting with myself - and that is that I tend to go hog wild and go crazy with ALL the gals in the room. Now, my reasoning for doing so had always been that I want the atmosphere to lighten up, for the gals to know that we all ain't gonna take no shit about them pretending to be shy or conservative AND for the other guys to also follow up and NOT make the mistake of being cajoled into treating the gals they pick as being their "date and one and only love."
I know that some guys mistake my intentions and get all upset, thinking that I need to cop a feel here, a grab there as a lecherous old man. Hell, I ain't such a creep that I really get a thrill out of doing so - after all, all it takes is a few red Mao's to actually fuck a gal so grabbing a gal is NOT any big thrill. But, offended some of these guys do get - and I can either say for them to go to hell (for those who are wankers/idiots) or I can say "Sorry" to those who are good guys. And I herewith say it here and give my apologies by way of my explanation above.
How about other faux pas'es (sp?) you guys know of?? Care to post and tell us? That way there would be less "rules" required and more self restraint to make every body's KTV experience that much better.
IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 05:52
The BSD - of course the BSD faux pas - (and I don't mean Big Swingin Dave!) and that is a guy who tries to shows off that he is a Big Swinging Dick and then do all sorts of things which adversely affects others.
- Welcomes one and all mommies/managers etc to the room and whether he knows them or not, goes ahead and "Cheers" and "bottom -up" them. This idiot thinks that by doing so, he shows others that he's "connected" and thus people give him "face!" Face my ASS! All they're doing is bulking up the bill!
- Ditto with being "Tai fong" (not petty, picky {Cantonese}) and allowing the ordering of crap drinks, foods, dolls, cigarettes, milk etc. or allow the gals to do things like changing back to theri street clothes etc as Bruce outlined.
- Insisting on giving hell to a hapless DJ, waiter or even a gal for some minor - often made-up - infraction, just to show off that he "knows things" and that he don't take no shit. Well, what does this do others in the room? This kind of behaviour gets all the more common as the level of inebriation increases as the night proceeds.
IMHO.... only IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 06:14
.... as i think of other crap that some guys end up doing at a ktv - most times not even aware that he's actually committing a faux pas!
- the i'm the singer!! - ooops!! now everybody is gonna right away jump up and down and tell me that i am that guy!! ok ok ok, i do tend to enjoy dominating the mike - especially as the night progresses and i get more and more drunk - and get all irritated by the off key, out of tune and totally crap rendering that some guys and gals think passes off as singing! (note to oneself - only you think you sing in tune, on key and in sync dumb shit.... only you!!). the worse is of course guys who allows his gal to do such dominating of the mike!
- the "i can't stand ktv singing" guys - and who insists on only his own kind of songs and do not allow anybody to sing or even chose songs!! so what's the idea about coming to a ktv? yes, ktv singing is atrocious (especially mine) but that's the whole point of going to a ktv!! no way there can be any knid of "buzz' without these crap singing and tom foolery.
- the "kiasu" syndrome (singaporean expression meaning never allowing oneself to be disadvantaged) - which of course means drinking as much as he is physically able to drink - as others will share the bill anyway - so why not?? :( idiot! kiasu my ass!!
-the "i'm hungry, i've been fucking all day long till now" - and then orders food for himself! ok ok, you may be hungry and do need food - but christ - everybody else is gonna have to share the cost of the over-priced food there. if you're hungry - go out and get something to eat or order and pay your gal to go out and get some take-out food (if the ktv allows this).
- the "i'll come for drink to say hi" guys - who do so and then leave without at least leaving a few bucks or at least offering to do so. so he comes to say hi to his particular friend - what about other guys who don't know him and who may feel that he should at least pay for his own drink.
- the "mr. lover' - who thinks he's such and then treats his "lady" all chivalrously and get all huffy when others in the room get raucous/wild. these guys usually 'cock-block' their lady (of the night!!) the whole evening, has his hands and body all over her, "protecting" her virtue and is totally not in tune with the vibe of the room. gimme a break, wanker!!
- you guys got any other? hell, i could even think about a time when an idiot actually tried to make a gal "do him" in the bathroom (is this [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)?) - and his reasoning which he practically announced to everybody is that he'd save rmb 300 by only paying for her 200 sitting fee i/o 500 st. incredible!!
come on guys - more faux pas'es - bring it out in the open and let it all out - for like i said, most times guys don't even realize that they're actually committing a faux pas
still only imho!!
seaj
Any good BBS action in Huizhou/Danshui?
Tried very hard to find BBSs in DanShui, but only managed to find 1 lousy Fujian massage (= handjob) place. As Shibaxian mentioned, it probably has to do with pricing. Especially in DanShui, where you can get FS for 168 rmb with the room fee included, there really isn't much call for BBS.
Member #4144
09-07-09, 08:16
Come on guys - more faux pas'es - bring it out in the open and let it all out - for like I said, most times guys don't even realize that they're actually committing a faux pas
SEAJMy god, I better do solo ktv then. Someone please help me, I am willing to pay for a small room and where should I go? Everyone is telling me no no for going solo but sounded like I would be much better off going alone.
Fillmore
Member #4144
09-07-09, 08:31
- The "Mr. Lover' - who thinks he's such and then treats his "lady" all gentlemanly and get all huffy when others in the room get raucous/wild. These guys usually 'cock-block' their lady (of the night!!) the whole evening, has his hands and body all over her, "protecting" her virtue and is totally NOT in tune with the vibe of the room.
SEAJThat must be me, I have been to CP ktv just once and I actaully had great fun and I saw people just keep to their girls for the whole night, and I like that! The whole point of picking girls in ktv is to develop GFE and why not become Mr Lover for that night?
Fillmore
Bob Builder
09-07-09, 09:34
The BSD - of course the BSD faux pas - (and I don't mean Big Swingin Dave!) and that is a guy who tries to shows off that he is a Big Swinging Dick and then do all sorts of things which adversely affects others.
- Welcomes one and all mommies/managers etc to the room and whether he knows them or not, goes ahead and "Cheers" and "bottom -up" them. This idiot thinks that by doing so, he shows others that he's "connected" and thus people give him "face!" Face my ASS! All they're doing is bulking up the bill!
- Ditto with being "Tai fong" (not petty, picky {Cantonese}) and allowing the ordering of crap drinks, foods, dolls, cigarettes, milk etc. or allow the gals to do things like changing back to theri street clothes etc as Bruce outlined.
- Insisting on giving hell to a hapless DJ, waiter or even a gal for some minor - often made-up - infraction, just to show off that he "knows things" and that he don't take no shit. Well, what does this do others in the room? This kind of behaviour gets all the more common as the level of inebriation increases as the night proceeds.
IMHO.... only IMHO
SEAJ
Guys that invite the pretty managers/PRs/professional drinkers (call them what you will) and sometimes not just one because they have a lunchbox at home, don't fuck and want to save on the $200 sitting fee or court the managers. Everyone else ends up paying for the inflated bill as the professional drinkers drink like fish.
Guys that bring non-WG girls to a KTV fucking the mood for everyone else as they now all feel obligated to acting more civilized. I have had one idiot who was going to bring his wife from Hong Kong with him to a KTV session I had arranged. He was quickly uninvited and is blackballed from any future events. Guys like that also tend to tell their wifie everything that you do and say that they just tag along without doing anything themselves so everyone else looks bad.
Guys who reject every gal from a lineup of over 150 gals and be a downer for the whole night.
Most problems can be solved in being more selective about who you KTV with.
And while you try you can never really split the bill perfectly. I drink like a fish while I have guys who I KTV with that are teetotalers. If they are coming to a place where you drink, they pay a drinker's share. Anyway ice tea is more expensive than beer.
imho,
BB.
Very interesting set of KTV etiquette. I've committed quite of bit on the list myself and it's insightful to see how little things could affect a whole group. And we're in this together, so let's party hearty within this group of great friends!
Here's some I've committed myself. I've done so many boneheaded things that you'd think I'm one of "them" instead of one of "us."
- Drinking games. Yeah, usually played with girls to enliven the atmosphere and loosen the girls up. Usually played with a guys vs. girls mentality to get the girls to drink more than the guys. Well, loud and often buzzed me enjoy getting the girls to LOSE and thus drink, but I'm also "catching" the guys as well! As Jett reminded me numerous times, "Stop catching the guys!!" LOL Well, if only the girls are getting caught and drinking, they'd catch on so I try to penalize the guys once in awhile.
- Telling who's going to be taken. Some guys pick two or three girls. Since the guys often speak English or Cantonese to each other, the girls may find someone who speaks Mandarin to do translations. In any case, late in the night, they sneakily ask the one who speaks Mandarin (and looks stupid... ME), "So who did he say he's taking out?" Now, I never give out the answer, but I'm sure a slip-of-the-tongue may occur and the ones who may be unpicked will try to weasel out of the room early.
-Taking the girl's side. Of course the organizer's gonna be strict and tough and takes NO nonsense from the girls/DJs/etc. And of course, some guys in the KTV will be more playful to get everyone involved. But the girls will say mean little things about that person and what I usually do is agree, BUT also remind the girl that we're friends for a long time and that guy she's bad-mouthing is the most wonderful person in every way. I mean, hell, a bad-mouthing girl is bad enough, we don't need brothers going along with a bad-mouthing girl. Same with DJs siding with the girls. They are paid to side with the guys, the ones who are the customers.
-Being late or leaving early. Either way, if you agree to go partake in the KTV fun, pay your share for the night. I'm never at the KTV late nor do I leave early, but I've done so at footies. One time I told everyone I'm be there at 5, but showed up at 6. I paid the full two hours. Another time I still had 20 or so minutes left, but had to leave...I paid the full hour. It'll also be cool if you leave, you "assign" your footie girl to help massage your friend (so he gets a massage from TWO girls). By the way, the reason I'd show up late or leave early was because there's a chance for something kinky and I'd be a fool to miss it. ahem, anyway...
Tried very hard to find BBSs in DanShui, but only managed to find 1 lousy Fujian massage (= handjob) place. As Shibaxian mentioned, it probably has to do with pricing. Especially in DanShui, where you can get FS for 168 rmb with the room fee included, there really isn't much call for BBS.Hi,
Really crack my head to answer your question. Let me quote you a story of mine.
Last year, I first started a sauna with a local Chinese in Danshui (my first store). After we move in, we initially priced the girls 300 for normal looking girls, 400 for models, and 500 for OL (supervisor). There are no room charges for most saunas in Danshui. However, the business is bad. Please don’t compare the sauna in Dongguan with Danshui. In Danshui, if your sauna has about 20 rooms, it is already named as big. So my partner decided to drop the price to 200 for normal girls, same as majority Danshui sauna ways of doing business. Immediately, it becomes a disaster. The girls who think that they are beautiful left our sauna and the remaining ugly will continue to stay. When customers come to our sauna, they cannot get any beautiful girls, they also left. My partner is still doing our sauna in Danshui, but every month just manages to survive till now.
To answer your question; yes I can recommend you sauna of the price 168 for one shot in 30 minutes, with free room. But can you accept an auntie to service you in a rundown room. Maybe I can bring you to try the rmb 200 range in Huizhou city first. Of course, standard is higher a bit. Please don’t fool by the price. As I always told my friends, do you think a (nice looking) girl willing to work in (cheap) sauna and lick my (old man) assholes. Unless price is your only concern, Huizhou sauna is cheaper than Dongguan a lot.
In Huizhou city, the BBS is about the same pricing as Changping. But I don’t dare to recommend as I never try before. Sorry, I stationed in Huizhou city to operate my sauna. So only can answer question about Danshui, cannot meet you there.
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SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 12:14
Guys that bring non-WG girls to a KTV fucking the mood for everyone else as they now all feel obligated to acting more civilized. I have had one idiot who was going to bring his wife from Hong Kong with him to a KTV session....
Guys who reject every gal from a lineup of over 150 gals and be a downer for the whole night. ........
Most problems can be solved in being more selective BB. OMIGAWD!!! Bring his WIFE to a KTV??? What a moron!!!
And a guy NOT selecting after 150 gals???
Jeez - I guess there ARE idiots out there!!
Yes, Bang On! As you say, we all need to be more selective as to our KTV gang!! Saves everybody a lot of hassle.
it's insightful to see how little things could affect a whole group. And we're in this together, so let's party hearty within this group of great friends!......
-Taking the girl's side. Of course the organizer's gonna be strict and tough and takes NO nonsense from the girls/DJs/etc. And of course, some guys in the KTV will be more playful to get everyone involved. But the girls will say mean little things about that person and what I usually do is agree, BUT also remind the girl that we're friends for a long time and that guy she's bad-mouthing is the most wonderful person in every way. I mean, hell, a bad-mouthing girl is bad enough, we don't need brothers going along with a bad-mouthing girl. Same with DJs siding with the girls. They are paid to side with the guys, the ones who are the customers.
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Yup, as you said, - it's insightful as most of us actually do NOT even know that we'd committed a faux pas, and thus the reason why I'm pursuing this subject matter. The more we discuss and understand the dynamics of what can be considered a faux pas, the easier it would be for all of us to refrain from doing certain things whilst at the KTV.
After all, I'd venture to say that most of us would refrain from actually "telling off" somebody when he thinks that somebody had committed a faux pas (we're all such gentlemen!!) and would instead just keep quiet and simmer a bit. But what a buzz killer!!
And Bruce - me really really appreciate your sentiment about gals bad mouthing one of us and that we all should not go along with it. Hell, I can pretty well guess that I ain't too popular with the gals (and probably also BS Dave) as I go out of the way to set these gals right and in their place. To gals who don't like what BS Dave or I NEED to do - I say that they can all go to hell!! And shame on anybody who "sides" with these gals. Traitor to the "brotherhood" Wusses and pussylickers!!
IMHO.... always IMHO only ... Christ I certainly never intend to offend anybody - but .... who knows??!! So - sorry to anybody if I did (or will) offend anybody. OK guys??:)
SEAJ
Reading this from stateside and never been to China.
You guys just tickle the shit out of me.
I am a redneck, southern boy who had a couple of trips to the PI and Korea back in the mid-80s when I was in the U.S. military so my mongering experience is sorely lacking. Reading this and the Thai forum has really opened my eyes to the possibilities. Where were you 30 years ago when I was able to do something about it? Too old and fat and married now but there is always hope. Keep the posts coming and give an old redneck a glimmer of hope for the future. If I ever do get to China, you would have to ship me back in a box as I am sure the experiences you report would probably kill me.
Much appreciate all the info and the help in answering questions.
Slim
SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 13:06
Reading this from stateside and never been to China.
You guys just tickle the shit out of me.
I am a redneck, southern boy who had a couple of trips to the PI and Korea back in the mid-80s when I was in the U.S. military so my mongering experience is sorely lacking. Reading this and the Thai forum has really opened my eyes to the possibilities. Where were you 30 years ago when I was able to do something about it? Too old and fat and married now but there is always hope. Keep the posts coming and give an old redneck a glimmer of hope for the future. If I ever do get to China, you would have to ship me back in a box as I am sure the experiences you report would probably kill me.
Much appreciate all the info and the help in answering questions.
Slim
Too OLD??? Nobody is too old in China - and same with being too fat - no such thing.
And married???!!! So bloody WHAT?
The only thing that is NOT acceptable to the gals in China - and Thailand, and PI and Vietnam and Indonesia and.... is too cheap or too broke!!
So haul your redneck ass out here and do so before you get older, fatter and married-er!! It ain't bad out here - not bad at all!!
SEAJ
Ps. I spent close to 6 years in Missouri!! That red neck enuff for you??
For those who want to try sauna in Danshui.
Enter any hotel 3 star or less which has sauna. Tell the manager that you only looking 1 shot service. The price range is 168 to 200 depends on that sauna pricing. Package includes shower, bbbj and fj. Timing starts from shower till completion, 45mins. Hope this can help. Price includes the room charges. Don't get cheated by them. And if you cannot find any gems, just leave and find other hotel. Danshui sauna is famous for pushing girls.
Downunder96
09-07-09, 16:36
Correct me if I am wrong, Huizhou used to be like the CP many many years ago. This is what I was told last year by a local
downunder96
which I forgot to ask again - what are the "other" actions i Huizhou/Danshui besides KTV and Sauna? Are there good BBS's?
I many times prefer good BBS's gals - especially for during the day as they are awake vs these KTV gals who sleep till 2PM and there is no nonsense about "I'm KTV gal and don't do THAT" etc. And of course BBBs gals are a helluva lot cheaper than these KTV gals and thus I don't think nothing of throwing a BBS gal out and changing another one if the session was not good.
I remember that the 4th floor of entertainment City in DaPeng doubles as both a sauna as well as a BBS - and the same KTV 1-3-6 gals would also do BBS's pricing of 150ST/400 ON.:) Also, I recall on the li'l alleyways off the main DaPeng square, there were also a couple BBS (ones with an actual beauty salon front) that offered gals at I THINK RMB 150/400.
Any good BBS action in Huizhou/Danshui?
Thanks
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-07-09, 18:33
Correct me if I am wrong, Huizhou used to be like the CP many many years ago. This is what I was told last year by a local
downunder96
Sorry - wrong person to direct your question to, as I don't know anything about Huizhou.
Shibaxian - you want to reply?:)
SEAJ
Dan Hawaii
09-07-09, 19:29
I'd like to outline some other faux pas - starting with myself - and that is that I tend to go hog wild and go crazy with ALL the gals in the room. Now, my reasoning for doing so had always been that I want the atmosphere to lighten up, for the gals to know that we all ain't gonna take no shit about them pretending to be shy or conservative AND for the other guys to also follow up and NOT make the mistake of being cajoled into treating the gals they pick as being their "date and one and only love."
I know that some guys mistake my intentions and get all upset, thinking that I need to cop a feel here, a grab there as a lecherous old man. Hell, I ain't such a creep that I really get a thrill out of doing so - after all, all it takes is a few red Mao's to actually fuck a gal so grabbing a gal is NOT any big thrill. But, offended some of these guys do get - and I can either say for them to go to hell (for those who are wankers/idiots) or I can say "Sorry" to those who are good guys. And I herewith say it here and give my apologies by way of my explanation above.
How about other faux pas'es (sp?) you guys know of?? Care to post and tell us? That way there would be less "rules" required and more self restraint to make every body's KTV experience that much better.
IMHO
SEAJ
Yo Joe,
feel up my girl, I don't care. I kind of like to see the reaction from her, so I know if she is a keeper or not. I remember the first time I meet you, you was feeling up my girls at the Penn KTV. I was like, "wow, all the ISG posts are true" . LOL
Faux Pas'es...
I hate it when someone buys there girl a teddy bear and then all the girls want one too. I had this happen to me a couple of times, kind of ruined it for me as my girl got pissed when i declined. I think it is more that she lost "face" with the other girls.
For us travelers that don't have the luxury of "time" in CP, I think you need to place a price on having a good time or not. I mean....., in hind sight about not buying the teddy bear, I regretted it, even though you may think I'm too easy and a BSD, time is short for us visitors to CP; so it is kind of precious. So spending $20 usd for saving the night and having fun, is kind of a good deal. Instead of not buying the teddy bear, and having a spiff with the girl, and going home alone or with a girl with an attitude is just the wrong decision.
As for your policing the "rip offs", I agree with you, someone needs to do it. But I think the "verteran" policing the party can have a great time too, if he picks his fights. I mean, he should not go off on every little thing. Pick your battles and everyone, even the verteran, will have time to enjoy. Don't get me wrong, I really hate getting ripped off, but just like you said, sometimes they do it just to show "face" or something. Anyways, I don't know shit about ktv bills and stuff, cause most of the time I go with a veteran. My point is pick your battles, and everyone will have a great time and win, even the ktv and mommies.
I think that the most important thing you need to have a great, fun filled ktv party is a VIP friend/s that knows how the ktv system works, knows how to have a great time, and most importantly...., knows how to make the girls feel comfortable and have fun. Damn, he does not even need to be a VIP, he can be a first time visitor..... he just needs to know how to talk the girls so they have fun. Once that happens, it's like a snow ball effect and the party gets going. I have been to some ktv parties where the mood is dull and boring. I just could not point my finger on why. But the reason was... the girls were bored, cause none of us fellas knew how to talk to them. They knew how to speak Chinese, but they did not know how to speak to ktv girls, and make them comfortable and loossen up.
I can not stress this more.... the key to having a great time in the ktv is to go with a friend that knows how to talk to and party with ktv girls so that it is easy for them to have fun and enjoy.
I have been so lucky and honored to have had the company of such friends at ktvs and I would like to thank them for showing me such a great time.
Dan Hawaii
09-07-09, 19:50
Monkey see, Monkey do
Exactly! 100% true!
Dan Hawaii
09-07-09, 19:56
Guys that invite the pretty managers/PRs/professional drinkers (call them what you will) and sometimes not just one because they have a lunchbox at home, don't fuck and want to save on the $200 sitting fee or court the managers. Everyone else ends up paying for the inflated bill as the professional drinkers drink like fish.
Guys that bring non-WG girls to a KTV fucking the mood for everyone else as they now all feel obligated to acting more civilized. I have had one idiot who was going to bring his wife from Hong Kong with him to a KTV session I had arranged. He was quickly uninvited and is blackballed from any future events. Guys like that also tend to tell their wifie everything that you do and say that they just tag along without doing anything themselves so everyone else looks bad.
Guys who reject every gal from a lineup of over 150 gals and be a downer for the whole night.
BB.
Professional drinker, well, if she is a hot girl.. that's okay with me. But if he is a guy, well, yeah, that would suck, unless he makes the party more fun. Such as, if he is popular with the girls and makes them drink too.
Wow, bringing the wify, thats a good one. Yup, 100%, 86 that mother fucker. I can just imagine how shitty that would be. And if Joe didn't know she was a wify, he would just feel her up and that would be soooo funny.
Not picking a girl, well, if there was a good reason for not doing so, then, okay. Like, if he had to leave early or had a girl lined up later on. Other wise, yeah, that would be a downer.
Sorry - wrong person to direct your question to, as I don't know anything about Huizhou.
Shibaxian - you want to reply?:)
SEAJChangping is famous in international. Huizhou is famous in local Guangdong chinese and Hong kong.
Fast Eddie 48
09-08-09, 06:34
Sorry - wrong person to direct your question to, as I don't know anything about Huizhou.
Shibaxian - you want to reply?:)
SEAJSEAJ,
I never been to Danshui either maybe we should try this town next month ,look like a good cheap sauna town like Zhu Hai better than bbs .
Fast eddie 48
To answer your question; yes I can recommend you sauna of the price 168 for one shot in 30 minutes, with free room. But can you accept an auntie to service you in a rundown room. Maybe I can bring you to try the rmb 200 range in Huizhou city first. Of course, standard is higher a bit. Please don’t fool by the price. As I always told my friends, do you think a (nice looking) girl willing to work in (cheap) sauna and lick my (old man) assholes. Unless price is your only concern, Huizhou sauna is cheaper than Dongguan a lot.
In Huizhou city, the BBS is about the same pricing as Changping. But I don’t dare to recommend as I never try before. Sorry, I stationed in Huizhou city to operate my sauna. So only can answer question about Danshui, cannot meet you there.
ShiBaXian,
Thank you for your reports on Huizhou city and DanShui. No need to apologize, we should be the ones that are grateful.
Yes, like I said, most girls in cheap DanShui sauna aren't that good looking, so you have to shop around. Some of the girls are older but there are some young ones too, including some really young ones (but let us not go there because Jackson doesn't like that kind of stuff on his forum).
And of course you can't expect to get the same kind of service from a 268 rmb session (for 2 shots), compared to a 400-600 rmb session in CP. But if you go for a 168 rmb session (1 shot), your comparison should be with that of a BBS session since it's pretty much the same price. In my opinion it's better than a BBS session (and you don't need to have a room as it is included).
Again, overall, as mentioned before, if your goal is strictly hardcore mongering, it may not be worth your while. But DanShui and HuiZhou feel much more normal. CP has that distinct touristy feel to it, where everybody thinks you are rich and looking to pluck you.
Fast Eddie 48
09-08-09, 07:35
For those who want to try sauna in Danshui.
Enter any hotel 3 star or less which has sauna. Tell the manager that you only looking 1 shot service. The price range is 168 to 200 depends on that sauna pricing. Package includes shower, bbbj and fj. Timing starts from shower till completion, 45mins. Hope this can help. Price includes the room charges. Don't get cheated by them. And if you cannot find any gems, just leave and find other hotel. Danshui sauna is famous for pushing girls.Shibaxian,
I get 2 shots at DMY sauna in Zhu hai 168 rmb 90 min ,look like sauna action in Zuh hai is still better .
Fast eddie 48
One more you guys forgot. Getting someone else's chick so drunk that she's not worth taking home anymore. Happened to me once. Wasn't mad about it but it did kinda ruin my night so to speak.
Very interesting set of KTV etiquette. I've committed quite of bit on the list myself and it's insightful to see how little things could affect a whole group. And we're in this together, so let's party hearty within this group of great friends!
Here's some I've committed myself. I've done so many boneheaded things that you'd think I'm one of "them" instead of one of "us."
- Drinking games. Yeah, usually played with girls to enliven the atmosphere and loosen the girls up. Usually played with a guys vs. girls mentality to get the girls to drink more than the guys. Well, loud and often buzzed me enjoy getting the girls to LOSE and thus drink, but I'm also "catching" the guys as well! As Jett reminded me numerous times, "Stop catching the guys!!" LOL Well, if only the girls are getting caught and drinking, they'd catch on so I try to penalize the guys once in awhile.
- Telling who's going to be taken. Some guys pick two or three girls. Since the guys often speak English or Cantonese to each other, the girls may find someone who speaks Mandarin to do translations. In any case, late in the night, they sneakily ask the one who speaks Mandarin (and looks stupid... ME), "So who did he say he's taking out?" Now, I never give out the answer, but I'm sure a slip-of-the-tongue may occur and the ones who may be unpicked will try to weasel out of the room early.
-Taking the girl's side. Of course the organizer's gonna be strict and tough and takes NO nonsense from the girls/DJs/etc. And of course, some guys in the KTV will be more playful to get everyone involved. But the girls will say mean little things about that person and what I usually do is agree, BUT also remind the girl that we're friends for a long time and that guy she's bad-mouthing is the most wonderful person in every way. I mean, hell, a bad-mouthing girl is bad enough, we don't need brothers going along with a bad-mouthing girl. Same with DJs siding with the girls. They are paid to side with the guys, the ones who are the customers.
-Being late or leaving early. Either way, if you agree to go partake in the KTV fun, pay your share for the night. I'm never at the KTV late nor do I leave early, but I've done so at footies. One time I told everyone I'm be there at 5, but showed up at 6. I paid the full two hours. Another time I still had 20 or so minutes left, but had to leave...I paid the full hour. It'll also be cool if you leave, you "assign" your footie girl to help massage your friend (so he gets a massage from TWO girls). By the way, the reason I'd show up late or leave early was because there's a chance for something kinky and I'd be a fool to miss it. ahem, anyway...
Yo Joe,
Faux Pas'es...
I hate it when someone buys there girl a teddy bear and then all the girls want one too. I had this happen to me a couple of times, kind of ruined it for me as my girl got pissed when i declined. I think it is more that she lost "face" with the other girls.
Hi Dan,
A lot of times these things can be headed off at the pass. When I'm with friends at KTV I usually pay attention to who or what is coming in and out of our room. When ever I see sales girls with candy or stuffed animals I just give them a simple "No" with a wave and they leave as fast as they came in. The guys don't have a chance to feel put on the spot and the girls don't have a chance to feel left out. It also has the added benefit of keeping the bill down too. Also, those that take the advice on the board and tell the DJ to not allow these people into the room will also avoid this situation.
To those bros listing out KTV Faux Pas, its a good educational tool and keep this kind of stuff up. But keep in mind that you are there to enjoy yourselves. Everyone does things once in a while that they shouldn't. That's the beauty of being able to choose who you party with in the future. If you value a friendship, be up front and tell them what ever they did right away and get it out in the open and cleared up. Most guys won't mind being told that they were acting like a dum ass if you tell them why you think so and of course you are right. If they disagree and can't or won't change the way they act then don't include them in the future. I think most bros here value their friendships and will adjust accordingly.
Any night of KTV is better than no KTV...especially for those of us occasional visitors.
Cheers,
GZ
Big Swingin Dave
09-08-09, 22:30
The first monthly ISG party in CP was a huge success at the newly discovered naked KTV in CP. The place is definitely not new and thanks to SEAJoe and Hungryguy for doing the reconnaissance mission for all the brothers last month, the party was a huge success!
In attendance were Jetsetter, Bruce Tea, Slower Better, Pig Fat, LA Monkey, Pointpanic, Tightway, and 10 other non-ISG brothers partaking on the fun.
On our first trip to this newly found partying paradise, it was on a Monday night so the pickings were slim but this time we went on a Saturday night and the flower street was filled with lots of lovely ladies. 10 out of 13 guys (2 "most-regrettably" partiers brought sand to the beach so they don't count) ended up with a date to take home and no one had any complaints. It was an amazing site seeing 25+ girls totally naked all night long. Too many highlights to be mentioned here so I will leave it to the other ISG brothers recount what happen that night as I was busy and the night went by so fast that it was a complete blur and of course again exhaustion for me but it was really fun and in fact so much fun that we are going to that place again this Friday, September 11th (uh-oh, bad omen???). Any brothers that would like to join, please PM me and I will give you details.
Everyone swore to secrecy not to divulge the name and location of this hidden gem and the best part was, everyone agreed that every girl in the room was available to everyone so no "faux pas" here, guys!!!
BSD
Everyone swore to secrecy not to divulge the name and location of this hidden gem and the best part was, everyone agreed that every girl in the room was available to everyone so no "faux pas" here, guys!!!
Well, all were taken there and back blindfolded. j/k.
The beer, the KTV equipment, the large screen TV, etc. were all great. Nothing distinguishable, but nothing to complain about.
The flower street had tons of big boobie girls. BigBoobman would go nuts on this place. In fact, I did not see anyone less than a B cup. Anyone loving boobies would have zero problem picking one or two or three girls. One guy had a girl waiting submissively at home but ended up picking TWO girls. A first time to CP guy came in LATE, made a lot of friends, and ended up taking one of the hottest, drunkest (LOL), and definitely THE WILDEST girl home.
Be aware of the three different tags.
The flower street started near the big lounge at 7:30pm. The ladies have three different color tags. Blue ones are 2-5-8 (will not strip), Yellow are 3-6-9 (will strip totally nude ALL night), Red are 2 only (not available for after KTV activities).
The girls allow and encourage groping. Fun and very good attitudes from the girls. LA Monkey's girl had her lips locked on his lips for a quarter of the night while Jett's girl was the raunchiest by imitating a bj with anything she puts in her mouth. PointPanic's girl was hot. Pity I didn't grope her. Probably cause she never left his side. Even tho it was free for all, the girls were pretty loyal to the guy who selected her. GFE? From what I saw, yes. White-boy friendly? Depends...but on this night, the girls were dying to go home with them. A small group of us had an after KTV snack and the girls were eagerly willing to learn English to vie for the attention of the foreigners. My girl has some knowledge of English and ended up being the English tutor for the girls with the foreigners.
The 2 song naked dance warm up. This started pretty much 20 minutes after we all got into the room. Everyone was dancing with his gal and then switch and then some 2 guys on 1 girl grinding etc. Lots of T and A groping from the guys and the girls. The music was club music with plenty of sexual innuendoes. This warms the group up and makes the girls know that we come to play! The girls are fully naked 70% of the night (semi naked 25% and fully clothed 5%).
I was pretty much near last to select a girl (as always...) and I took one without looking at the tag. In the room, she showed me her RED tag. Half stripping and not going home with customer. Rag? No. Heavy snorer? No. Hubby waiting at home? No. Well, I would have to throw her back out then but with more customers coming in, she'd have little problem getting picked again. But she stayed and fully stripped. She drank for me, enjoyed partying with my friends, and did not disappear frequently or played with her phone (make this rule with the girls, you guys! NO TEXTING).
Near the end of the night, two guys with gals waiting at home left. I think it's cause they underestimated the fun/hotness of the gals at this KTV and just wanted to leave so they won't feel worse (har har!!). My girl wanted me to take her for the night. But she's a RED tag girl and they don't go out, right?? Yeah, baby. Work your way into my pants.
Well, night ended around 1 or so. The KTV was nice enough to provide a shuttle to various drop points. A group went for a snack and again, the girls were wonderful after-KTV companions.
My girl pretty much ravished me once we got into the room. I learned a ton from SlowBetter and now is the time to put his teachings into practice. What happened, only SlowBetter believed and understood as the others thought that stuff like that don't happen to chumps like me.
The next day, we got together (even seeing some of the girls off) and agreed the experience was awesome. Was it the girls? Partially. Was the atmosphere? Sure. Was it the group of super fun/cool/crazy guys? MOST DEFINITELY!
Dan Hawaii
09-09-09, 10:11
Hi Dan,
A lot of times these things can be headed off at the pass. When I'm with friends at KTV I usually pay attention to who or what is coming in and out of our room. When ever I see sales girls with candy or stuffed animals I just give them a simple "No" with a wave and they leave as fast as they came in. The guys don't have a chance to feel put on the spot and the girls don't have a chance to feel left out. It also has the added benefit of keeping the bill down too. Also, those that take the advice on the board and tell the DJ to not allow these people into the room will also avoid this situation.
To those bros listing out KTV Faux Pas, its a good educational tool and keep this kind of stuff up. But keep in mind that you are there to enjoy yourselves. Everyone does things once in a while that they shouldn't. That's the beauty of being able to choose who you party with in the future. If you value a friendship, be up front and tell them what ever they did right away and get it out in the open and cleared up. Most guys won't mind being told that they were acting like a dum ass if you tell them why you think so and of course you are right. If they disagree and can't or won't change the way they act then don't include them in the future. I think most bros here value their friendships and will adjust accordingly.
Any night of KTV is better than no KTV...especially for those of us occasional visitors.
Cheers,
GZ
True that.
But, I really never thought anyone acted like a dumbass. In fact I have been so lucky to have only meet cool people from ISG. I don't ever think I met someone that was a dumbass or so high and mighty that he would not take advice. I guess I'm kind of lucky and I hope I keep my streak going. I mean, how can a guy act so bad when there are thousands of hot young girls willing to go home with you. :)
Bigboobman007
09-09-09, 12:41
The flower street had tons of big boobie girls. BigBoobman would go nuts on this place. In fact, I did not see anyone less than a B cup. Anyone loving boobies would have zero problem picking one or two or three girls. Thanks Bruce. Exactly what I need. I'm dying here. Thinking of making a trip but how's the situation with OCt1 coming up? A few CA sauna Managers mentioned they were gona shut down in Sep when i visited 2-3 weeks ago.
Been catching up with reading the forum n huizhou n danshui looks promising if i ever get bored with CA n CP. yeah. like that's ever gona happen!
anyways, got a question for wadman n shibaxian. How would u compare the sauna gal quality from those in zhuhai as they have pretty similar pricing. In zhuhai, average sauna prices range from 168 to 300 with some higher end hotels charges 400-500 with better hardware. Gals quality only improves slightly. For me, where time is not a luxury whenever I visit, I'd rather pay 200 more in CP or CA per session than sticking around in zhuhai. Can u find CP or CA quality in Huizhou and Danshui? Easily?
Fast Eddie 48
09-09-09, 17:01
True that.
But, I really never thought anyone acted like a dumbass. In fact I have been so lucky to have only meet cool people from ISG. I don't ever think I met someone that was a dumbass or so high and mighty that he would not take advice. I guess I'm kind of lucky and I hope I keep my streak going. I mean, how can a guy act so bad when there are thousands of hot young girls willing to go home with you.To Dan
I think maybe alcohol have something to do with that, I have seen people act like a totally different person after a few drinks do you agree.
I wonder is the red lion ktv is still good?
Or do I have to find another ktv? Someone any suggestion?
thx
Dan Hawaii
09-10-09, 10:08
To Dan
I think maybe alcohol have something to do with that, I have seen people act like a totally different person after a few drinks do you agree.
Yeah, understandable, but I never ran into anyone that drank and became a real dick head. All my friends and ISG friends became more fun and really opened up.. I guess I have been kind of lucky or just bliss because there are always sooo many freaking hot chicks around.
Thanks bro Shi for such reports and will post FR if we manage to pay Hui Zhou a visit ! cannot imagine having 150 saunas in one city.
Just try to share some knowledge and history, correct me if I am wrong. For the whole Dongguan, there is a Dongguan city. Changping, Changan , Humen, liaobu, huangjiang, etc, are the towns in Dongguan. If I am not wrong, there are over 30 over towns in Dongguan. So why Changping is so famous and everybody thinking it is the main city in Dongguan. This is because long, long time ago, there is a famous gangster in Changping who became ‘super’ rich thru’ all the illegal business. So one day he built a train station in Changping which supposed to build in the Dongguan city. So everyone just knows Changping and forget Dongguan city (sorry, out of the topic.)
Same for Huizhou, there is a Huizhou city. Danshui, huiyang, boluo, chenjiang, etc, are the towns in Huizhou. So I am in Huizhou city. A bit of history again – why everybody knows danshui so well (just like changping) instead of the Huizhou city. This is because in the 80’s, there are many Hong Kong truck drivers travelling the express road and danshui is a place where they stop to release their sex desire. That why danshui is famous for their sauna instead of ktv. Hope this clear the cloud for all brothers.
Dan Hawaii
09-10-09, 12:23
I wonder is the red lion ktv is still good?
Or do I have to find another ktv? Someone any suggestion?
thx
Last May I went to the Lion KTV, its still an oldie but goodie. Had a lot of fun, the girls there are pretty wild. But go early, cause all the good ones going to be gone. And this place has a bar area and also a loungs area so going solo is pretty cheap.
Big Swingin Dave
09-10-09, 22:20
The establishments in CP and CA are on alert as October 1 nears. Jin Di Li, the dirty footie place across from the CP train station has been shutdown (sorry Racetrack, I know this is your favorite place in CP...). Some saunas are again only taking "regular" customers, i.e. they will not take any customers that the phone numbers they do not recognize. Some of the known semi-naked KTVs in CP are not allowing any stripping activities in the room unless they know they are "regular customers".
As in regards to CA, we tried to go to DIC today and were highly discouraged by the manager and told us to go to another place instead. I think the Saunas will be the hardest hit during the crackdown period (sorry BigBoobMan!). The KTVs are also very cautious but I found out that the naked KTV we went to (trying not to name any names of establishments during this sensitive time), is not worried as I was told they are heavily connected with the autorities in town.
Not to discourage anyone from coming to CP from now to the end of the year but don't be surprise that things are not operating as normal and it would be best to get updated info before coming to CP to party.
BSD
The establishments in CP and CA are on alert as October 1 nears. Jin Di Li, the dirty footie place across from the CP train station has been shutdown (sorry Racetrack, I know this is your favorite place in CP...). Some saunas are again only taking "regular" customers, i.e. they will not take any customers that the phone numbers they do not recognize. Some of the known semi-naked KTVs in CP are not allowing any stripping activities in the room unless they know they are "regular customers".
As in regards to CA, we tried to go to DIC today and were highly discouraged by the manager and told us to go to another place instead. I think the Saunas will be the hardest hit during the crackdown period (sorry BigBoobMan!). The KTVs are also very cautious but I found out that the naked KTV we went to (trying not to name any names of establishments during this sensitive time), is not worried as I was told they are heavily connected with the autorities in town.
Not to discourage anyone from coming to CP from now to the end of the year but don't be surprise that things are not operating as normal and it would be best to get updated info before coming to CP to party.
BSD
Man, not good news at all for mongering.
Any ideas if the BBS are affected, if they crackdown and close the BBS in CP like they did in SZ?
The establishments in CP and CA are on alert as October 1 nears. Jin Di Li, the dirty footie place across from the CP train station has been shutdown (sorry Racetrack, I know this is your favorite place in CP.). Some saunas are again only taking "regular" customers, I. E. They will not take any customers that the phone numbers they do not recognize. Some of the known semi-naked KTVs in CP are not allowing any stripping activities in the room unless they know they are "regular customers".
As in regards to CA, we tried to go to DIC today and were highly discouraged by the manager and told us to go to another place instead. I think the Saunas will be the hardest hit during the crackdown period (sorry BigBoobMan! ). The KTVs are also very cautious but I found out that the naked KTV we went to (trying not to name any names of establishments during this sensitive time), is not worried as I was told they are heavily connected with the autorities in town.
Not to discourage anyone from coming to CP from now to the end of the year but don't be surprise that things are not operating as normal and it would be best to get updated info before coming to CP to party.
BSDI have plan to come over in mid October. Hope everything will go back to normal after 1st October.
Big Swingin Dave
09-11-09, 03:13
Man, not good news at all for mongering.
Any ideas if the BBS are affected, if they crackdown and close the BBS in CP like they did in SZ?
BBS in CPs not yet affected but working under extreme caution, it's best to call in advance before making the "chicken run".
BSD
SE Asia Joe
09-11-09, 11:34
How long has it been....????
Since i had a squirter???
Well, just by chance - and after many months of hearing some guys telling me about getting a squirter - I got her!! NOt that I was actively looking for her nor that I'm particular about squirters - but HEY - nice change once a while!! Just lucked out.
Good Looking face, Lousy body (thin, small tits, dark nipples - but OK ass) and 101% service (Light flicks of the tongue all over before a really skilled BBBJ - and made a helluva effort screwing!) and a total GFE ( you know, arm holding, pecks here and there, snuggles all over but YMMV - as I took her to a nice dinner followed by a movie in Dalang).
So....for you guys who are into squirters - BS Dave's the man who's got all the info!!
SEAJ
Ps. She definitely will NOT do Laowais! Asked her if she wanted me to introduce clients to her and she was enthusiastic - but expressed horror at even the thought of Lao Wais. Sorry Guys - just ABC and other Northern Asians - no Lao Wais!
I might be around China near New Years. Anyone give me info on what CP is like during that time? I figure that a lot of the WGs will go home for new years.
Thanks
The establishments in CP and CA are on alert as October 1 nears. Jin Di Li, the dirty footie place across from the CP train station has been shutdown (sorry Racetrack, I know this is your favorite place in CP...). Some saunas are again only taking "regular" customers, i.e. they will not take any customers that the phone numbers they do not recognize. Some of the known semi-naked KTVs in CP are not allowing any stripping activities in the room unless they know they are "regular customers".
As in regards to CA, we tried to go to DIC today and were highly discouraged by the manager and told us to go to another place instead. I think the Saunas will be the hardest hit during the crackdown period (sorry BigBoobMan!). The KTVs are also very cautious but I found out that the naked KTV we went to (trying not to name any names of establishments during this sensitive time), is not worried as I was told they are heavily connected with the autorities in town.
Not to discourage anyone from coming to CP from now to the end of the year but don't be surprise that things are not operating as normal and it would be best to get updated info before coming to CP to party.
BSD
Was at the BBQ stands where the "umbrella bars" used to be. The place is in an inlet in between Manhattan Hotel and Clipper/SWL Hotel.
Went there with my gal to buy some food around 2 am. She ordered a dozen oysters, some veggies, and two large shrimps kabobs. Total cost was 25 rmb and since it was BBQ, it took awhile to cook. It was quite busy during that time as a lot of girls, DJs or waiters/etc., and locals are out having a snack.
We sat at one of those tables and a guy came over and gave us a pitcher of cold beer and two small glasses. Oh damn, now I gotta pay for a pitcher of beer, I thought! So we called the guy over and said we never ordered the pitcher. He told us it is complimentary! Just by sitting down, you get a pitcher of beer for free. You probably have to order (or are encouraged to order) a second or third pitcher. The guy took the pitcher away since we insisted that we don't even want the free beer offer.
We got the food for takeout and once we got inside, she impressively finished all the food she ordered, including the dozen BBQ'd oysters. I didn't dare try any...
Fast Eddie 48
09-12-09, 03:36
Was at the BBQ stands where the "umbrella bars" used to be. The place is in an inlet in between Manhattan Hotel and Clipper/SWL Hotel.
Went there with my gal to buy some food around 2 am. She ordered a dozen oysters, some veggies, and two large shrimps kabobs. Total cost was 25 rmb and since it was BBQ, it took awhile to cook. It was quite busy during that time as a lot of girls, DJs or waiters/etc., and locals are out having a snack.
We sat at one of those tables and a guy came over and gave us a pitcher of cold beer and two small glasses. Oh damn, now I gotta pay for a pitcher of beer, I thought! So we called the guy over and said we never ordered the pitcher. He told us it is complimentary! Just by sitting down, you get a pitcher of beer for free. You probably have to order (or are encouraged to order) a second or third pitcher. The guy took the pitcher away since we insisted that we don't even want the free beer offer.
We got the food for takeout and once we got inside, she impressively finished all the food she ordered, including the dozen BBQ'd oysters. I didn't dare try any...Bruce,
Those CP girl can eat like a pig yet they are skinny, I hate that not because they can eat alot, but I am trying to lose a few pound my self, it is good to be young you can eat and bong all night long.
Fast Eddie 48
How long has it been.? Since I had a squirter?
Well, just by chance. And after many months of hearing some guys telling me about getting a squirter. I got her! NOt that I was actively looking for her nor that I'm particular about squirters. But HEY. Nice change once a while! Just lucked out.
Good Looking face, Lousy body (thin, small tits, dark nipples. But OK ass) and 101% service (Light flicks of the tongue all over before a really skilled BBBJ. And made a helluva effort screwing! ) and a total GFE (you know, arm holding, pecks here and there, snuggles all over but YMMV. As I took her to a nice dinner followed by a movie in Dalang).
So. For you guys who are into squirters. BS Dave's the man who's got all the info!
SEAJ
Ps. She definitely will NOT do Laowais! Asked her if she wanted me to introduce clients to her and she was enthusiastic. But expressed horror at even the thought of Lao Wais. Sorry Guys. Just ABC and other Northern Asians. No Lao Wais! SEAJ
I'm an ABC, the "jook sing" variety. PM me her number, and I will do her. I will tell the maid to use "rubber" sheets as to contain the mess.
NO laowai here, just another "jook sing"
Btw., I'm stuck in dailan and should be cuming south in a week or so.
SE Asia Joe
09-12-09, 09:31
SEAJ
I'm an ABC, the "jook sing" variety. PM me her number, and I will do her. I will tell the maid to use "rubber" sheets as to contain the mess.
NO laowai here, just another "jook sing"
Btw., I'm stuck in dailan and should be cuming south in a week or so.
Get a hold of BS Dave when you get down as I've "entrusted" him with the details etc. as promised to her.
With all these LE activities/the 60th anniversary coming up, it does pay to be a bit cautious.
SEAJ
Ps. Oh SHIT!!! I just realized that you're probably gonna convince her to shave!! Haisus Cristous - How the hell am I gonna keep her on top whilst squirting - she's gonna slide right off me! Don't you dare shave her!! I warn you!!
SE Asia Joe
09-12-09, 09:40
Bruce,
Those CP girl can eat like a pig yet they are skinny, I hate that not because they can eat alot, but I am trying to lose a few pound my self, it is good to be young you can eat and bong all night long.
Fast Eddie 48
I know that quite a few of these gals will only eat when they're with a client - both to save $$ as well as a way to keep their weight down.
They're all afraid of getting fat and see how some of their 'colleagues' balloon out if they eat their own regular meals and then also accompany their clients to eat - which can happen anytime. After all, they came from factories where the meals were crap PLUS they had to do actual manual labour. Fast forward to their present lives, when comparatively they do not need to do as much heavy lifting as before PLUS the better food that they now can afford.... and then accompanying clients for meals.......!!
If it so happens that by the end of the evening that their client has not taken them out to eat dinner - or midnight/apres KTV late supper - then they will either grab something off the street and accompany the client overnight, or if only for ST, then they'll go and eat their cheap MaLaTang.
In fact, one of the sub-mommies at Cuan Hui also operates a MaLaTang stall in front of the old Swan Lake and takes over from her husband when she gets off work - and usually have quite a few of the gals come over to eat.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-12-09, 09:58
I might be around China near New Years. Anyone give me info on what CP is like during that time? I figure that a lot of the WGs will go home for new years.
Thanks
Couple years ago, we had the big Southern China freeze and the gals couldn't/didn't want to go home and thus everything was quite good - less mongers (Hongkong, Taiwan and other Chinese origin guys who had to stay at home with wifey and kids during this important festival in the Chinese year) and a more than adequate number of gals.
This year we had the great financial melt down when the gals lost their factory jobs and went straight to the "venues" without going home - and thus again we had it pretty good again as the guys were also affected by the financial melt down and couldn't afford to come up.
The next Chinese New Year?? Who knows??!! Only thing is that there usually ARE crack downs during the period leading up to the Lunar New Year as crime also spikes up with guys/gals needing $$$ pronto to get back home with presents etc.
But is there gonna be OK supply of gals during the actual New Year - Who Knows??!! Heck its too far off to predict IMHO.
SEAJ
Ps. Let's worry first about the days leading up to October 1st before worrying about Chinese New Year!!
Big Swingin Dave
09-12-09, 15:46
Haven't been here awhile but heard that the girls go braless so we came to see it for ourselves (Jetsetter, Freepeaks, LA Monkey, AsnDragon, Pig Fat, and 5 others non-ISG brothers). The hardware is great, the WGs beautiful, and yes, they are all topless. At first when they were standing there, we were thinking, why are all the girls so flat...but then we figured it out that they weren't wearing their bras...I think this is not a good idea as one of the attraction in a while is seeing a nice rack (even though most girls in China use the super-push-up bras). They should consider taking the bras off after they have been chosen to sit for the night. Anyways, the pricing is good 2-5-8. No surcharge for having braless ladies all night. This place is quite fun and at a great location as they have one of the best saunas in town.
The Virgin has definitely made some good changes with a brand new restaurant in the lobby area and with the nice KTV and an awesome Sauna, this is a good alternative to staying at our favorite Clipper hotel.
BSD
Playboy2000
09-12-09, 16:44
Jin Di Li, the dirty footie place across from the CP train station has been shutdown (sorry Racetrack, I know this is your favorite place in CP)
BSD
JDL's footies can be great cheap fun. But it sounds like you guys are discovering many other great spots in CP.
We went to Virgin KTV in July, in the expectation that the girls would strip. But as I wrote before, after the mommies promised that the girls would strip and after having chosen our girls, a manager came in said that all the girls would have to change into their street clothes because of the crackdown. I was angry, as I felt that I had been scammed. But it looks like Virgin KTV is not to affected by the crackdown this week.
anyways, got a question for wadman n shibaxian. How would u compare the sauna gal quality from those in zhuhai as they have pretty similar pricing. In zhuhai, average sauna prices range from 168 to 300 with some higher end hotels charges 400-500 with better hardware. Gals quality only improves slightly. For me, where time is not a luxury whenever I visit, I'd rather pay 200 more in CP or CA per session than sticking around in zhuhai. Can u find CP or CA quality in Huizhou and Danshui? Easily?[/QUOTE]To compare with CP & CA, maybe the girls quality for Danshui is not so good. Look more pale but new. Most of the girls just started to work in sn business. After 1-2 years seasoning, they will shift to Huizhou city. Therefore, the quality in Huizhou city is much better. In HZ and DS, the sauna girls gives more girlfriend feeling than CP & CA. Better service than CP & CA but 'technical skill' lose out.
Thanks bro Shi for such reports and will post FR if we manage to pay Hui Zhou a visit ! cannot imagine having 150 saunas in one city.Presently I am in Huizhou. Feel free to contact me.
SE Asia Joe
09-12-09, 21:04
Presently I am in Huizhou. Feel free to contact me.
Thanks a lot for all the information on Huizhou, Shibaxian. Great info!
You mentioned that the gals are 2-5-8 but that the model gals are 3-6-9. Are the model gals only taller than the 2-5-8 gals - as is the usual case in most other cities - or is there any other difference, seeing as you say that the gals there are a bit more "natural and fresh?"
Also, any "special attractions" re the huizhou gals? I mean things like naked KTV or braless/knicker-less all night, or naked dance session or ??? KTV's in CP and CA are right now trying to drum up business by offering more than just drinking/playing games during the KTV session and am wondering if the Huizhou ones have come up with some of these "added attractions?"
Thanks
SEAJ
Just posted this in the GZ thread but then realize should do it here instead.
Q: Is it better to go by bus or train from GZ to CP?
Also, I notice there are 2 train stations in GZ, so which one is the best to use if going by train, the one in the North/West or the one in the East to CP?
Thanks
Just posted this in the GZ thread but then realize should do it here instead.
Q: Is it better to go by bus or train from GZ to CP?
Also, I notice there are 2 train stations in GZ, so which one is the best to use if going by train, the one in the North/West or the one in the East to CP?
Thanks
take the train
Bullet (D) trains run from both stations but are more frequent from the East railyway terminus. It will get you there in 30 mins
Get a hold of BS Dave when you get down as I've "entrusted" him with the details etc. As promised to her.
With all these LE activities/the 60th anniversary coming up, it does pay to be a bit cautious.
SEAJ
Ps. Oh SHIT! I just realized that you're probably gonna convince her to shave! Haisus Cristous. How the hell am I gonna keep her on top whilst squirting. She's gonna slide right off me! Don't you dare shave her! I warn you! I find more gals opting to shave themselves. Last week with friends at a KTV in dalian, four out of five gals that I had, had smooth pus$ies. I was amazed. If you are up in dalian and comes across one, please do not yell out my name in "vain". Someone else is convincing them that the trend is toward smooth pus$ies. Really. Not me, I am just enjoying the work of others, but do not get the blame.
I usually leaves pics. Of shave pus$ies in the bathroom with a razor and shave creme near by. If they use it, is it my fault that they shave their pubes. After you coming down on me the last time, I do not tell them to shave anymore. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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SE Asia Joe
09-13-09, 10:53
I find more gals opting to shave themselves. Last week with friends at a KTV in dalian, four out of five gals that I had, had smooth pus$ies. I was amazed. If you are up in dalian and comes across one, please do not yell out my name in "vain". Someone else is convincing them that the trend is toward smooth pus$ies. Really. Not me, I am just enjoying the work of others, but do not get the blame.
I usually leaves pics. Of shave pus$ies in the bathroom with a razor and shave creme near by. If they use it, is it my fault that they shave their pubes. After you coming down on me the last time, I do not tell them to shave anymore. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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AMAZING!!!
NO, not your report. What's amazing is that your report got an R.O.D. designation!! I wonder why and what makes a report get such a designation.
And oh, about your report - stupid gals in Dalian. Either that or else you must have only gotten gals who were so ugly that they know they only qualify to service Lao Wais and other assorted furreners!! (ergo their need to shave themselves!)
SEAJ
SEAJ
AMAZING!!!
NO, not your report. What's amazing is that your report got an R.O.D. designation!! I wonder why and what makes a report get such a designation.
And oh, about your report - stupid gals in Dalian. Either that or else you must have only gotten gals who were so ugly that they know they only qualify to service Lao Wais and other assorted furreners!! (ergo their need to shave themselves!)
SEAJ
SEAJSeriously, I stop preaching smoothness to the gals. I notice that more and more gals are trending toward smoothness than the jungle look. Two weeks ago when I was up in dalian, I told the mama at the KTV that I wanted "white tiger" and she brought three to me. She told me that they told her that their pus$y were either trimmed or minimal hair. A few days later, when we were back there, she remember my request, this time at least six or eight in the line up step forward telling me that they were smooth or almost. Only one of the were fuglie, the rest were more than acceptable and I'm a choosey guy, nothing less than an eight. I asked the mama if they get a lot of foreigner and she tells me 'no'. I ask her about the smooth gals and she responded that the closest to a foreigner that they service is mostly overseas born Chinese like myself and many of them prefer smoothness and that the gals prefer hooking up with us.
Last week one of gals that I did not choose was trying to get to know me and we were chatting in some ching a lish and I put my hands into her panties and she was quite trimmed and she smiled back and said that I hear you like that. Sorry I did not have time (I was headed for the airport leaving), I took her number and told her that I will give her a call when I return in early November.
Really after your last tongue lashing at me about convincing the gals to shave their pus$y smooth, I really stop. I just notice that some of the gals are trending to smoothness using that as a bait for hooking up later.
BTW, I would never even mention shaving to one of your recommendation.
Girls in Dalian are so beautiful. Their skin is so fair and smooth. They are also so tall and slender. The only thing I cannot stand is the cold winters.
Just my two rmb on this.
I have just returned home to Sydney after having spent 3 weeks on and off at CP. Have a few things to report about so will do so in blocks with the first thing to report on is the Clipper Sauna.
First of all I would like to point out BSD and the help he provided during my stay here not just for me but for all the guys who partied together while I was here. The guy knew his stuff, made sure no one got ripped off, informed us of the way to go about doing things and even put up with my constant harrassment of getting him to translate the SMSs I was getting.
As soon as I checked in at the Clipper (which is good value for 268RMB), Dave took me to its sauna. He planned for me to go to CA that evening so we only went for a look see on that first afternoon. I thought the quality was quite good in my stay there I can recommend a few of the girls:
328-short little pocket rocket with a huge rack. I did a double with her and her friend 318 (who was ok but nothing extraordinary). I did 328 a second time after a shite night at Manhattan (more on that when I do my KTV report), she had already finished work when I asked for her and she came in just for me and she again did not disappoint. Great tongue massage and has a great, friendly atittude.
658-great body, beautiful face and perky tits, so good I popped her twice in 2 hours. Should have gone again to do twice but just got caught up with other girls (or mainly just one other girl, I should say, but more on that on my KTV report), that I did not have the time.
331 and newbie. 331 gave the best arse rimming of the lot so shes the one to go to if that kind of stuff tickles your fancy, so to speak. Because I had already been there a few times the manager, Gigi (who was great and very accomodating) let me take 331 and a girl on her first day on the job to my room. I could take 331 long time for 600RMB (which the girl wanted to negotiate to 700RMB) and have the newbie for 200RMB ST (normally 300 numbered girls are 300RMB and 600 numbered girls are 400RMB). I wasnt really attracted to the newbie and I thought she was not going to be very good but I thought what the hell. The newbie had not been assigned a number yet so I cant provide one but her body was surprisingly good (special mention to her tits) and she seemed to be quite into it and her service was not too shabby either. However, I could not keep 331 for LT as she showed me that she was starting her period. Anyway, it was not too bad a night.
311. Another one I would not have minded to have done a second time. I had seen her in previous line ups but did not realise how pretty she was before I picked her (she has high cheek bones, something that appeals to me). She was right up there looks wise and had great fun with her. She had wanted me to do a double with her and her friend (dont know her number but was not attracted to her) because she was a bit worried as 328 had told her that I was "li hai" (I think thats the pinyin for it). I went down on her early and she got really into it after that. I had never gone down on WGs previously but have this time around and they all just about become very easy going once you do so.
Foot massages
Well I think enough has been written about 168 so there isnt much need for me to do so, only that there was a group of 4 of us getting a massage (LA monkey the only ISG brother there as well as BSD) and she was not shy about getting her hands on my fella and nuts infront of the other guys and foot massage girls.
I also had a bit of a thing with #30. Lovely girl who I took out on a date a couple of times and actually got to my room, made out with her and got to the point of groping her tits when she refused to go any further. Talk about blue balls! Anyway, that was pretty much it after that, she called me about 8 times one night/day and I did not reply as I was with another girl and then when I went back to see her she said she was a little upset but was willing to try again. I again did not answer her call (with another girl) and that was pretty much it. She saw me having dinner with a KTV girl one night, made eye contact and then walked away. I actually felt bad for a bit as she was not a WG and was quite nice, so if any of you are at the clipper and go in for a foot massage ask for #30.
Thats all for now
Pig Fat
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Bob Builder
09-14-09, 01:40
AMAZING!!!
NO, not your report. What's amazing is that your report got an R.O.D. designation!! I wonder why and what makes a report get such a designation.
And oh, about your report - stupid gals in Dalian. Either that or else you must have only gotten gals who were so ugly that they know they only qualify to service Lao Wais and other assorted furreners!! (ergo their need to shave themselves!)
SEAJ
SEAJ
It could just be that there is a crab infestation that is being passed around.
Night Assassin
09-14-09, 04:36
The first monthly ISG party in CP was a huge success at the newly discovered naked KTV in CP. The place is definitely not new and thanks to SEAJoe and Hungryguy for doing the reconnaissance mission for all the brothers last month, the party was a huge success!
In attendance were Jetsetter, Bruce Tea, Slower Better, Pig Fat, LA Monkey, Pointpanic, Tightway, and 10 other non-ISG brothers partaking on the fun.
On our first trip to this newly found partying paradise, it was on a Monday night so the pickings were slim but this time we went on a Saturday night and the flower street was filled with lots of lovely ladies. 10 out of 13 guys (2 "most-regrettably" partiers brought sand to the beach so they don't count) ended up with a date to take home and no one had any complaints. It was an amazing site seeing 25+ girls totally naked all night long. Too many highlights to be mentioned here so I will leave it to the other ISG brothers recount what happen that night as I was busy and the night went by so fast that it was a complete blur and of course again exhaustion for me but it was really fun and in fact so much fun that we are going to that place again this Friday, September 11th (uh-oh, bad omen???). Any brothers that would like to join, please PM me and I will give you details.
Everyone swore to secrecy not to divulge the name and location of this hidden gem and the best part was, everyone agreed that every girl in the room was available to everyone so no "faux pas" here, guys!!!
BSDHi Bro BSD,
The Naked KTV you are toking about is Fu Hao? or if there is another one?
Thanks!
SE Asia Joe
09-14-09, 05:07
It could just be that there is a crab infestation that is being passed around.
ROFLMAO!
SEAJ
Hi fellow mongers,
I got "bad" news from my boss that I have to stay in CA for 4 days starting from 17.09.09. As a long time ISG member I remembered that I have seen many good reports about that area. Unfortunately things are changing so quickly in China and I am not sure if any of the recommended places are still state of the art. Also I am not sure if many of them are cracked down. I appreciate your help in giving me some instructions where to go and which hotel I should take. I am lonly hunter, so if you recommend any KTV it should also have a showroom, cause alone it is not so funny to book a KTV-room. I am also keen on catching up with some of you guys there.
Thanks fellas
I have just returned home to Sydney after having spent 3 weeks on and off at CP. Have a few things to report about so will do so in blocks with the first thing to report on is the Clipper Sauna.
First of all I would like to point out BSD and the help he provided during my stay here not just for me but for all the guys who partied together while I was here. The guy knew his stuff, made sure no one got ripped off, informed us of the way to go about doing things and even put up with my constant harrassment of getting him to translate the SMSs I was getting.
As soon as I checked in at the Clipper (which is good value for 268RMB), Dave took me to its sauna. He planned for me to go to CA that evening so we only went for a look see on that first afternoon. I thought the quality was quite good in my stay there I can recommend a few of the girls:
328-short little pocket rocket with a huge rack. I did a double with her and her friend 318 (who was ok but nothing extraordinary). I did 328 a second time after a shite night at Manhattan (more on that when I do my KTV report), she had already finished work when I asked for her and she came in just for me and she again did not disappoint. Great tongue massage and has a great, friendly atittude.
658-great body, beautiful face and perky tits, so good I popped her twice in 2 hours. Should have gone again to do twice but just got caught up with other girls (or mainly just one other girl, I should say, but more on that on my KTV report), that I did not have the time.
331 and newbie. 331 gave the best arse rimming of the lot so shes the one to go to if that kind of stuff tickles your fancy, so to speak. Because I had already been there a few times the manager, Gigi (who was great and very accomodating) let me take 331 and a girl on her first day on the job to my room. I could take 331 long time for 600RMB (which the girl wanted to negotiate to 700RMB) and have the newbie for 200RMB ST (normally 300 numbered girls are 300RMB and 600 numbered girls are 400RMB). I wasnt really attracted to the newbie and I thought she was not going to be very good but I thought what the hell. The newbie had not been assigned a number yet so I cant provide one but her body was surprisingly good (special mention to her tits) and she seemed to be quite into it and her service was not too shabby either. However, I could not keep 331 for LT as she showed me that she was starting her period. Anyway, it was not too bad a night.
311. Another one I would not have minded to have done a second time. I had seen her in previous line ups but did not realise how pretty she was before I picked her (she has high cheek bones, something that appeals to me). She was right up there looks wise and had great fun with her. She had wanted me to do a double with her and her friend (dont know her number but was not attracted to her) because she was a bit worried as 328 had told her that I was "li hai" (I think thats the pinyin for it). I went down on her early and she got really into it after that. I had never gone down on WGs previously but have this time around and they all just about become very easy going once you do so.
Foot massages
Well I think enough has been written about 168 so there isnt much need for me to do so, only that there was a group of 4 of us getting a massage (LA monkey the only ISG brother there as well as BSD) and she was not shy about getting her hands on my fella and nuts infront of the other guys and foot massage girls.
I also had a bit of a thing with #30. Lovely girl who I took out on a date a couple of times and actually got to my room, made out with her and got to the point of groping her tits when she refused to go any further. Talk about blue balls! Anyway, that was pretty much it after that, she called me about 8 times one night/day and I did not reply as I was with another girl and then when I went back to see her she said she was a little upset but was willing to try again. I again did not answer her call (with another girl) and that was pretty much it. She saw me having dinner with a KTV girl one night, made eye contact and then walked away. I actually felt bad for a bit as she was not a WG and was quite nice, so if any of you are at the clipper and go in for a foot massage ask for #30.
Thats all for now
Pig Fat
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Thanks to Big swinging Dave for arranging last night's great event at Red California KTV. It was a shock to see that their uniforms were the exact same as Virgin's. No bra inside, easy access to grope them from behind. apparently, freepeaks's girl said their uniform was copied by Virgin. But hey...who knows?It was a wild night last night, too bad i got a girl who completely passed out on me. Shy in the beginning, but drank like a fish and just went wild. I think Freepeaks can verify. She was northern Chinese from Harbin, really cute face, tall 165 CM, but hardly any tits. forgot her name, but she was in the first line up team. I left without getting anything, she was so drunk she had to br carried out on the mommy's back.
Big thanks to BSD for clipper last night. I went to the sauna there. got a great cute girl, Her number was 668, from sichuan. was about 5 feet nothing, but she had huge knockers. great cute face and smile. great service and attitude. It was the last 4 girls for the night at 2 AM, and she was the best in my opinion. She's been there for about 2 months. Room for sauna was 198 plus tips of 300. If you need anything, BSD is the man who can hook you up! great guy and great leader! thanks!
Haven't been here awhile but heard that the girls go braless so we came to see it for ourselves (Jetsetter, Freepeaks, LA Monkey, AsnDragon, Pig Fat, and 5 others non-ISG brothers). The hardware is great, the WGs beautiful, and yes, they are all topless. At first when they were standing there, we were thinking, why are all the girls so flat...but then we figured it out that they weren't wearing their bras...I think this is not a good idea as one of the attraction in a while is seeing a nice rack (even though most girls in China use the super-push-up bras). They should consider taking the bras off after they have been chosen to sit for the night. Anyways, the pricing is good 2-5-8. No surcharge for having braless ladies all night. This place is quite fun and at a great location as they have one of the best saunas in town.
The Virgin has definitely made some good changes with a brand new restaurant in the lobby area and with the nice KTV and an awesome Sauna, this is a good alternative to staying at our favorite Clipper hotel.
BSD
Need to book my hotel, so please tell me which one I should take in CA. I am looking for 5 star hotel which is close to the scene and if possible also offers some nice entertainment.
Thanks a lot
SE Asia Joe
09-14-09, 15:18
Seriously, I stop preaching smoothness to the gals. I notice that more and more gals are trending toward smoothness than the jungle look. Two weeks ago when I was up in dalian, I told the mama at the KTV that I wanted "white tiger" and she brought three to me. She told me that they told her that their pus$y were either trimmed or minimal hair. A few days later, when we were back there, she remember my request, this time at least six or eight in the line up step forward telling me that they were smooth or almost. Only one of the were fuglie, the rest were more than acceptable and I'm a choosey guy, nothing less than an eight. I asked the mama if they get a lot of foreigner and she tells me 'no'. I ask her about the smooth gals and she responded that the closest to a foreigner that they service is mostly overseas born Chinese like myself and many of them prefer smoothness and that the gals prefer hooking up with us.
Last week one of gals that I did not choose was trying to get to know me and we were chatting in some ching a lish and I put my hands into her panties and she was quite trimmed and she smiled back and said that I hear you like that. Sorry I did not have time (I was headed for the airport leaving), I took her number and told her that I will give her a call when I return in early November.
Really after your last tongue lashing at me about convincing the gals to shave their pus$y smooth, I really stop. I just notice that some of the gals are trending to smoothness using that as a bait for hooking up later.
BTW, I would never even mention shaving to one of your recommendation.
Girls in Dalian are so beautiful. Their skin is so fair and smooth. They are also so tall and slender. The only thing I cannot stand is the cold winters.
Just my two rmb on this.
This is really weird!! First your (one before last ) report was designated as an R.O.D. - even though it really ain't got much that should have qualified it as such. And now I notice that your above "last" report had been "delayed" from being posted up i.e. you obviously wrote it yesterday or earlier - and yet I've only noticed it appearing just now. What's happening here I wonder?
And GREAT that you've stopped preaching to the gals to get themselves shaved and are instead just looking for - and asking for - gals which are ALREADY White Tigers. I often do that myself and would 99% of the time get gals who are natural white tigers and not the shaved ones (which as you know I truly hate!!).
Good direction you're taking there buddy boy!!
SEAJ
Hi guys - I'll be back in CP in a few weeks after a too long absence, and looking forward to seeing the old timers and meeting the new faces who've made a name for themselves. And even more the girls and even the mommies, nothing like a hot mommy to spice up a lazy afternoon.
This time I'll be landing in HK. The plane lands at 4h30 pm. What are my options to get to CP on the same day ? I checked train schedules but couldn't be sure any of them stops at dongguan on the way to GZ, they all seem to go there directly.
I understand monger central is now the Clipper. Is it in the same class as the miraton ? I'll be meeting a number of non P4P ladies from GZ ande shenzhen who will come meet me in CP and whose panties I'll be trying to get into, thus I'll need suitably correct surroundings. Will the clipper do, or am I better off staying at hui mei or miraton ?
Member #4144
09-15-09, 01:34
This time I'll be landing in HK. The plane lands at 4h30 pm. What are my options to get to CP on the same day ? I checked train schedules but couldn't be sure any of them stops at dongguan on the way to GZ, they all seem to go there directly.
Same as my plane, which landed around 4:40pm two weeks ago. See my post with details:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=925009&postcount=1307
It would be simpler if you just take the 7 person van from airport to CP directly. My route requires speaking Chinese.
CP, MPV, CRH
It would be simpler if you just take the 7 person van from airport to CP directly. My route requires speaking Chinese.
Any idea on the van cost and visa requirements. Can one get a visa at the border?
Thanks
S7
Member #4144
09-15-09, 02:04
CP, MPV, CRH
It would be simpler if you just take the 7 person van from airport to CP directly. My route requires speaking Chinese.
Any idea on the van cost and visa requirements. Can one get a visa at the border?
Thanks
S7
van cost about 280, but I didnt take it so no idea if that crossing can issue visa. I always get my visa as part of my plane ticket purchase through my travel agent and it is a multi-entries so I just needed to get it once and can use for a year.
Fillmore
what does CP, MPV and CRH stand for ?
CP name of a place in ?
Thanks
Hi honourable gents
next week will be my first trip to CP. As a newbie i am planning to avoid the ktv places and stick with the bbs and saunas. I have two questions:
1. please can someone suggest a hotel in CP that is close to all the action
2. Do you think sticking to bbs and sauna is the best plan for a first timer?
I have been around china a lot and all over asia and south america so i am not a novice and not easily intimidated. Not saying i havent been bunt though before!!
Really appreciate anyones suggestions and many thanks in advance.
I have rtff too !!
Hi Bowerboy,
The Miraton and also the Hui Hua hotels are both in a good area near some BBS and also the Virgin sauna. I was there a few times but not in the last year but I have found these hotels to be in a good location. I see now there is a crack down in China but I don't know about CP. I'm going to CP again on October 14th for 3 nights and I will be staying in the Miraton. As I travel alone mostly I don't get to KTV so I can't say anything about them.
I don't know about any other hotels in CP so maybe someone can fill you in on them.
Daft Boy
Hi honourable gents
next week will be my first trip to CP. As a newbie i am planning to avoid the ktv places and stick with the bbs and saunas. I have two questions:
1. please can someone suggest a hotel in CP that is close to all the action
2. Do you think sticking to bbs and sauna is the best plan for a first timer?
I have been around china a lot and all over asia and south america so i am not a novice and not easily intimidated. Not saying i havent been bunt though before!!
Really appreciate anyones suggestions and many thanks in advance.
I have rtff too !!
Jettsetter
09-15-09, 16:04
Hi Bro BSD,
The Naked KTV you are toking about is Fu Hao? or if there is another one?
Thanks!
Night Assassin,
BSD specifically said that it was going to remain confidential... perhaps you're missing the point of that statement, as your post clearly does not follow the directive he is attempting to suggest (i.e. keeping it a secret)... get it? (wink wink)...
posting the name of the place doesn't exactly help keep it behind the scenes...
Note to all, with the holidays and national day coming up. Best to use discretion... no doubt the powers that be aren't fools as to where the action is, but to spell it out and make it available to those who aren't in the "loop" may not be a great and wise thing to do at this time...
we want to preserve this hobby for as long as possible... Again, I recomment contacting BSD if you're planning on coming to CP... he has a pulse on everything is there to help you save and not get screwed. It's a win win all the way around.
-J
SE Asia Joe
09-15-09, 16:06
CP, MPV, CRH
It would be simpler if you just take the 7 person van from airport to CP directly. My route requires speaking Chinese.
Any idea on the van cost and visa requirements. Can one get a visa at the border?
Thanks
S7
CP = Chang Ping
MPV = multi Purpose Vehicle = 7 seater mini van
CRH = the English initials of the fast train SZ-CP-GZ
SEAJ = SE Asia Joe
SE Asia Joe
09-15-09, 16:42
Hi Bowerboy,
The Miraton and also the Hui Hua hotels are both in a good area near some BBS and also the Virgin sauna. I was there a few times but not in the last year but I have found these hotels to be in a good location. I see now there is a crack down in China but I don't know about CP. I'm going to CP again on October 14th for 3 nights and I will be staying in the Miraton. As I travel alone mostly I don't get to KTV so I can't say anything about them.
Daft Boy
Hi honourable gents
next week will be my first trip to CP. As a newbie i am planning to avoid the ktv places and stick with the bbs and saunas. I have two questions:
1. please can someone suggest a hotel in CP that is close to all the action
2. Do you think sticking to bbs and sauna is the best plan for a first timer?
Really appreciate anyones suggestions and many thanks in advance.
I have rtff too !!
Need to book my hotel, so please tell me which one I should take in CA. I am looking for 5 star hotel which is close to the scene and if possible also offers some nice entertainment.
Thanks a lot
Miraton and the Hui Hua WERE previously the only 4 - 5 star hotels in CP and located on the same street as the Virgin, Walter, Hui Mei (3 star), Lucky, PP, Red Lion Yue Hua (2 and less star) and the Hui Mei alleys and their 150ST/400ON BBS's. This area is where lots of newbies and foreigners stay at as I guess they think its easier to navigate and safer. Of late though, this area has become where lots of street crime like muggings, pick-pocketing, Touts leading mongers to supposedly a BBS - but instead getting kdnapped and robbed etc. Worse, the Hui Mei alley BBS's are now getting more and more agressive (even abusive) towards the foreign monger. One of our CP stalwarts - S.B. - swears he'll never go back to the Hui Mei alley BBS's ever again after being verbally abused by a momma there for not taking one of her gals.
The BBS's that most of us from ISG patronize is around the Yalan and the Swan Lake road area. On/near SWL rd is the new 4-5 star Euro Asia Hotel, 4 star Clipper, Manhattan and 3 star Swan Lake, Jia Yi (Tao Yuan KTV), Mayflower, Versailles hotels. A bit further up is the Peninsula hotel. There are also 3 or 4 Brand new 4-5 Star hotels being opened up right now - haven't been to them all yet so not much to comment on these.
This Yalan/Swan Lake area is where the more experienced mongers stay at as it's so much more convenient to go the BBS's KTV's and Saunas (all within a 5 minutre walk!) and the area where BS Dave usally books his buddies in at. OH, make no mistake about it - this area IS a dump - but it IS monger central and just as long as you don't go out of your way to cause your own problems, is relatively safe. The old maxim that the Bad Boys who operates the venues here certainly do NOT want any petty/street crime happening around their place of business holds true - and thus the independent crooks ain't gonna take a chance and stay away.
CP is pretty compact though - at least those places where us ISG mongers usually go to. But there are lots of action here that only experienced mongers or guys like BS Dave could steer you to WITHOUT being ripped off or worse; so my advice - put on your nicest guy demeanour and try to hook up with some of these guys if you're wanting to get the best time during your stay in CP.
IMHO
SEAJ
S.E.A.J.:
Just trying to get my bearings here and hoping you could help: I stay at the Dongguan City Sheraton and am pretty sure I have partied at Miraton - am I near or very far from "the action" in CP?
Perhaps it is different Miraton - but even if it is, am I a half hour (or hopefully less ?) cab ride from CP ?
Gotta get some KTV action in on my next trip, and simply cannot live without a lineup.
Thanks,
D23
Big Swingin Dave
09-16-09, 08:31
S.E.A.J.:
Just trying to get my bearings here and hoping you could help: I stay at the Dongguan City Sheraton and am pretty sure I have partied at Miraton - am I near or very far from "the action" in CP?
Perhaps it is different Miraton - but even if it is, am I a half hour (or hopefully less ?) cab ride from CP ?
Gotta get some KTV action in on my next trip, and simply cannot live without a lineup.
Thanks,
D23
Dongguan City is about 30 minutes from C.P. It will cost about 80RMB to get to CP from DC. Let us know when u r in town and we will hook you up with others in town to party together.
BSD
Jettsetter
09-16-09, 08:50
one great thing about going to cp... well there are many, but one great thing, is the brotherhood that is quickly developed between both isg and non-isg brothers...
i mean the girls are great, but after coming back from a whirlwind tour of cp with all sorts of different guys and having a blast all the way, i've come to appreciate the dynamics that different guys bring to the mix.
in short, cp as an experience is not just about the girls.. sure, without them, i wouldn't go, but what makes cp a great experience is how all the brothers are able to connect, meet (as la monkey put it), interesting people, and share our experiences.
i have to say even going alone on this trip, i was never alone... thanks to the ever so generous help of bsd, and meeting the likes of la monkey and his crew, freepeaks, the random us guys i met in the elevator at clipper (tiger39?), seaj (of course, he's the grand wizard), asndragon (and his crew), pig fat (when can we expect the invites to your next nuptials??),
cap iota and others who i met this time around, we had a true blast...
we hit up the naked ktv, semi naked ktv, braless ktv, topless ktv, regular ktv, you name it, we did it... we saw two girls brawl in the lobby of the clipper (fight club)... we saw grown men raped (well whose clothes were raptured) by 5 screaming girls, we saw a half naked crazy chinese guy strutting the streets, we heard of stories with vibrators, two girls and 18 condoms... only to be topped by vibrators, two girls, doing each other... we had conversations on raising illegitimate kids... the collective iq of girls who don't know the difference between a big little fish and a little big fish (inside joke).... and learned 800 rmb ona shopping spree doesn't necessarily get you laid...
point is, these were good times to be repeated only with the likes of the members of this board and their friends who make the experience not only the "the same old thing", but something memorable.
in short, although traveling alone, i was never alone... i had fun everywhere and although i saw my fair share of drama (always fun to hear about it), the party there lives on.
thanks dave again, for all the hard work in helping us set everything up.
i'll be back soon (likely within 3-4 weeks). hope to meet other interesting and fun brothers...
-j
Well where to start? I guess seconding what Jettsetter wrote below is as good a place as any. The trip would not have been half as fun without meeting all you blokes as well as Doctor Jim and his interesting theories.
I guess the second thing I would like to say is that I am in serious trouble. I cannot shake the girl I got quite attached to from my head. I know, I know, I know, this is probably the stupidest thing any of us could do and SEAJ's advice is still ringing in my ear "remember what these girls are", and I feel like a wanker for feeling like this, believe me, but hey we'll see what happens.
She got on the car with me and even accompanied me all the way to Zhuhai to see me off, something she didnt have to do, for two hours and then took the trip back for another two hours. And believe me Jetts if there are nuptials it will most definitely be ring free (inside joke).
Anyway KTVs!
The first KTV I went to was golden dragon flower of century (at least thats what it says in a managers biz card) in CA. I met with BigBoobMan and some of his mates and I have to say that these girls were the most fun of all of the KTVs I have been to. CA is about 40mins away from CP depending on traffic. The attitude of these girls rocked and I would recommend this one girl I had # 2=86. Pick her and she will rock the whole room and then give you great service when you take her to your hotel room. I actually got her the second time I went to CA and she was quite disappointing when we shagged at night. She asked me the next morning why I hadnt slept all night and I told her because she had been a shit lay. Then she told me that she had been a little sensitive because her period was coming up. Anyway, she went to the bathroom, I got the shits and decided to get my moneys worth. Stripped her off her towel, fucked her silly and then told her that I will now be able to sleep. She has great tits. I did hear some of these CA girls whining about having to go all the way to CP, so maybe ask them beforehand if they mind going back there and then being driven back in the morning?
Some of the KTVs I hit was the naked KTV (something to be seen to be believed), Fu Hao, Miraton, Peninsula, Virgin, Manhattan, Mayflower, PP etc, etc.
I actually had no problems at Mayflower and did not feel any of the restrictions that they place on people there but then again give me a couple of good looking girls, food and beer and I am happy. I will even put up with a terrible rendition of "My heart will go on." (some of you who were there will know what I am talking about).
All KTVs had something going for them and all were good (although the pickings at virgin and PP did not look very good. PP though it must be said we did go on a quiet night) except for the one exception below.
My worst experience was at Manhattan. I had picked two girls who were giving me great service and then halfway thru the night they asked if we could go watch a show on another floor. I said ok, as I was told it would only last for about half an hour. Well, it totally ruined the night for me at that place so much so that I just could not get my groove back at all. The girls were concerned that they had done something wrong and were a bit worried. Not even them groping my fella could turn me around. Dave is right, I cannot believe management would allow the customers to leave the room to watch such a shit and boring show. The customers only spend money when they are in their room eating and drinking so when you take them away from that they are actually losing money. I should have listened to Dave earlier and not let the girls go, but I thought Id be nice and it bit me on the arse. The night was not all lost because we made a trip to the Clipper Sauna where 328 worked her magic on me.
So the moral of the story is, dont let the girls to that shit show at the Manhattan and listen to what Dave tells you. Seriously, I dont know why any ISGer would go to CP without getting in contact with him first. He'll make your life a lot easier and more enjoyable as well by meeting the other guys as well. Now, if only he would clear his bloody PM inbox!
Now, I guess I must also say that for some of the KTVs I actually took the girl I got attached to, and I even passed up on going to a KTV in order to go for a walk in the park with her. As shameful as that is, I actually enjoyed walking with her and I did owe her that night as she had actually spent her night off (she called in sick) at a KTV with me and then in my room for no charge (except for her 100RMB fine that she had to pay her mammi and 200RMB I agreed to pay for her freaking mooncakes), still though thats like 300RMB LT which is pretty good. Also, apart from the first time, she also did not go home at 12 or 1pm after LT she actually stayed with me until about 4pm or so at no extra charge. She also washed my clothes and folded everything for me into my backpack before I left. So in my defence, I would like to say that she did go above and beyond what WGs normally do and she was great fun to hang around with and yeah I think I have fallen for her a bit.
Things have been rocky at home with the mrs for months now and I had been contemplating divorcing from her previously but this turn of events certainly puts a new spin on things.
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Night Assassin
09-16-09, 11:59
Night Assassin,
BSD specifically said that it was going to remain confidential... perhaps you're missing the point of that statement, as your post clearly does not follow the directive he is attempting to suggest (i.e. keeping it a secret)... get it? (wink wink)...
posting the name of the place doesn't exactly help keep it behind the scenes...
Note to all, with the holidays and national day coming up. Best to use discretion... no doubt the powers that be aren't fools as to where the action is, but to spell it out and make it available to those who aren't in the "loop" may not be a great and wise thing to do at this time...
we want to preserve this hobby for as long as possible... Again, I recomment contacting BSD if you're planning on coming to CP... he has a pulse on everything is there to help you save and not get screwed. It's a win win all the way around.
-JHi Bro Jettsetter,
Sorry for that.
Was trying to PM BSD, but wasnt successful.
Will be more careful.
SE Asia Joe
09-16-09, 13:39
One great thing about going to CP... well there are many, but one great thing, is the brotherhood that is quickly developed between both ISG and non-ISG brothers...
I mean the girls are great, but after coming back from a whirlwind tour of CP with all sorts of different guys and having a blast all the way, I've come to appreciate the dynamics that different guys bring to the mix.
In short, CP as an experience is NOT just about the girls.. sure, without them, I wouldn't go, but what makes CP a great experience is how all the brothers are able to connect, meet (as LA Monkey put it), interesting people, and share our experiences.
I have to say even going alone on this trip, I was NEVER alone... thanks to the ever so generous help of BSD, and meeting the likes of LA Monkey and his crew, Freepeaks, the random US guys I met in the elevator at Clipper (Tiger39?), SEAJ (of course, he's the grand wizard), AsnDragon (and his crew), Pig Fat (when can we expect the invites to your next nuptials??),
Cap Iota and others who I met this time around, we had a true blast...
...........point is, these were good times to be repeated only with the likes of the members of this board and their friends who make the experience not only the "the same old thing", but something memorable.
In short, although traveling alone, i was never alone... I had fun everywhere and although I saw my fair share of drama (always fun to hear about it), the party there lives on.
Thanks Dave again, for all the hard work in helping us set everything up.
I'll be back soon (likely within 3-4 weeks). Hope to meet other interesting and fun brothers...
-J
DITTO!! One thing that I want to emphasize is the role that Big Swingin Dave plays in all of this.
Let's face it, without BSD "on the ground" there, that very very few of us would have been able to make the acquaintance of each other. Prior to BSD, I remember a few of us getting together randomly but it was never the large scale "gang" that BSD has been able to arrange for the great KTV parties, nice meals, chicken runs, and other get-togethers.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Thanks Gents, really appreciate it and i will report on my experience...
Think I will stay at the Clipper and explore that area first..keen to see Swan Lake which I have read much about..
Thanks again
Is Wikipedia infomation correct ?
Thanks for the review
S7
Transport
Many foreign travelers to Dongguan fly into Hong Kong, which allows visa-free entry to holders of US, Canadian and most European passports. After landing, visitors must apply for a visa to enter mainland China.
One can travel from Hong Kong to Dongguan by bus, ferry, or train. Passengers travelling overland must disembark from their transport at the Hong Kong/China border to go through customs and immigration, except for those traveling on the Mass Transit Railway intercity services (former Kowloon-Canton Railway) from Hung Hom Station to Dongguan, Guangzhou and beyond.
Depending on the time of day, using the ferry may be the most convenient way to travel from Hong Kong, as it allows one to avoid long queues at the land border checkpoint between Hong Kong and mainland China.
Dongguan serves as one of the regional railway hub in Guangdong, where Guangzhou-Kowloon Railway, Guangzhou-Meizhou-Shantou Railway and Beijing-Kowloon converge.
Rail services in and out of the city call at Dongguan railway station where there are direct train services to Guangzhou East railway station in Guangzhou; and Hung Hom Railway station in Hong Kong.
The Humen Pearl River Bridge is a suspension bridge over the Pearl River. Completed in 1997, it has a main span of 888 m.
ISG member post.
Transportation Option ..Train & MPV
SE Asia Joe
09-16-09, 17:48
Is Wikipedia infomation correct ?
Thanks for the review
S7
Transport
Many foreign travelers to Dongguan fly into Hong Kong, which allows visa-free entry to holders of US, Canadian and most European passports. After landing, visitors must apply for a visa to enter mainland China.
One can travel from Hong Kong to Dongguan by bus, ferry, or train. Passengers travelling overland must disembark from their transport at the Hong Kong/China border to go through customs and immigration, except for those traveling on the Mass Transit Railway intercity services (former Kowloon-Canton Railway) from Hung Hom Station to Dongguan, Guangzhou and beyond.
Depending on the time of day, using the ferry may be the most convenient way to travel from Hong Kong, as it allows one to avoid long queues at the land border checkpoint between Hong Kong and mainland China.
Dongguan serves as one of the regional railway hub in Guangdong, where Guangzhou-Kowloon Railway, Guangzhou-Meizhou-Shantou Railway and Beijing-Kowloon converge.
Rail services in and out of the city call at Dongguan railway station where there are direct train services to Guangzhou East railway station in Guangzhou; and Hung Hom Railway station in Hong Kong.
The Humen Pearl River Bridge is a suspension bridge over the Pearl River. Completed in 1997, it has a main span of 888 m.
ISG member post.
Transportation Option ..Train & MPV
WTF are you asking??
Which part of this are you asking is correct or not?
SEAJ
Is Wikipedia infomation correct ?
Thanks for the review
S7
Transport
Many foreign travelers to Dongguan fly into Hong Kong, which allows visa-free entry to holders of US, Canadian and most European passports. After landing, visitors must apply for a visa to enter mainland China.
One can travel from Hong Kong to Dongguan by bus, ferry, or train. Passengers travelling overland must disembark from their transport at the Hong Kong/China border to go through customs and immigration, except for those traveling on the Mass Transit Railway intercity services (former Kowloon-Canton Railway) from Hung Hom Station to Dongguan, Guangzhou and beyond.
Depending on the time of day, using the ferry may be the most convenient way to travel from Hong Kong, as it allows one to avoid long queues at the land border checkpoint between Hong Kong and mainland China.
Dongguan serves as one of the regional railway hub in Guangdong, where Guangzhou-Kowloon Railway, Guangzhou-Meizhou-Shantou Railway and Beijing-Kowloon converge.
Rail services in and out of the city call at Dongguan railway station where there are direct train services to Guangzhou East railway station in Guangzhou; and Hung Hom Railway station in Hong Kong.
The Humen Pearl River Bridge is a suspension bridge over the Pearl River. Completed in 1997, it has a main span of 888 m.
ISG member post.
Transportation Option ..Train & MPV
You are better off applying for the China visa in US to save time and trouble looking for the immigration center as it is a next day service in HK. You will not be able to "immediately" head off to your final destination upon landing.
Jettsetter
09-17-09, 02:35
Well where to start? I guess seconding what Jettsetter wrote below is as good a place as any. The trip would not have been half as fun without meeting all you blokes as well as Doctor Jim and his interesting theories.
I guess the second thing I would like to say is that I am in serious trouble. I cannot shake the girl I got quite attached to from my head. I know, I know, I know, this is probably the stupidest thing any of us could do and SEAJ's advice is still ringing in my ear "remember what these girls are", and I feel like a wanker for feeling like this, believe me, but hey we'll see what happens.
She got on the car with me and even accompanied me all the way to Zhuhai to see me off, something she didnt have to do, for two hours and then took the trip back for another two hours. And believe me Jetts if there are nuptials it will most definitely be ring free (inside joke).
Anyway KTVs!
The first KTV I went to was golden dragon flower of century (at least thats what it says in a managers biz card) in CA. I met with BigBoobMan and some of his mates and I have to say that these girls were the most fun of all of the KTVs I have been to. CA is about 40mins away from CP depending on traffic. The attitude of these girls rocked and I would recommend this one girl I had # 2=86. Pick her and she will rock the whole room and then give you great service when you take her to your hotel room. I actually got her the second time I went to CA and she was quite disappointing when we shagged at night. She asked me the next morning why I hadnt slept all night and I told her because she had been a shit lay. Then she told me that she had been a little sensitive because her period was coming up. Anyway, she went to the bathroom, I got the shits and decided to get my moneys worth. Stripped her off her towel, fucked her silly and then told her that I will now be able to sleep. She has great tits. I did hear some of these CA girls whining about having to go all the way to CP, so maybe ask them beforehand if they mind going back there and then being driven back in the morning?
Some of the KTVs I hit was the naked KTV (something to be seen to be believed), Fu Hao, Miraton, Peninsula, Virgin, Manhattan, Mayflower, PP etc, etc.
I actually had no problems at Mayflower and did not feel any of the restrictions that they place on people there but then again give me a couple of good looking girls, food and beer and I am happy. I will even put up with a terrible rendition of "My heart will go on." (some of you who were there will know what I am talking about).
All KTVs had something going for them and all were good (although the pickings at virgin and PP did not look very good. PP though it must be said we did go on a quiet night) except for the one exception below.
My worst experience was at Manhattan. I had picked two girls who were giving me great service and then halfway thru the night they asked if we could go watch a show on another floor. I said ok, as I was told it would only last for about half an hour. Well, it totally ruined the night for me at that place so much so that I just could not get my groove back at all. The girls were concerned that they had done something wrong and were a bit worried. Not even them groping my fella could turn me around. Dave is right, I cannot believe management would allow the customers to leave the room to watch such a shit and boring show. The customers only spend money when they are in their room eating and drinking so when you take them away from that they are actually losing money. I should have listened to Dave earlier and not let the girls go, but I thought Id be nice and it bit me on the arse. The night was not all lost because we made a trip to the Clipper Sauna where 328 worked her magic on me.
So the moral of the story is, dont let the girls to that shit show at the Manhattan and listen to what Dave tells you. Seriously, I dont know why any ISGer would go to CP without getting in contact with him first. He'll make your life a lot easier and more enjoyable as well by meeting the other guys as well. Now, if only he would clear his bloody PM inbox!
Now, I guess I must also say that for some of the KTVs I actually took the girl I got attached to, and I even passed up on going to a KTV in order to go for a walk in the park with her. As shameful as that is, I actually enjoyed walking with her and I did owe her that night as she had actually spent her night off (she called in sick) at a KTV with me and then in my room for no charge (except for her 100RMB fine that she had to pay her mammi and 200RMB I agreed to pay for her freaking mooncakes), still though thats like 300RMB LT which is pretty good. Also, apart from the first time, she also did not go home at 12 or 1pm after LT she actually stayed with me until about 4pm or so at no extra charge. She also washed my clothes and folded everything for me into my backpack before I left. So in my defence, I would like to say that she did go above and beyond what WGs normally do and she was great fun to hang around with and yeah I think I have fallen for her a bit.
Things have been rocky at home with the mrs for months now and I had been contemplating divorcing from her previously but this turn of events certainly puts a new spin on things.
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You're ALMOST putting me to tears with this story... I say almost...
You're an awesome dude... but trust me when I say this... as I know from first hand experience, in that falling for a CP gal is the worst romantic decision you can make. I can tell you dozens of stories of kept girls who cheat on their men like crazy...
Of course, the heart goes where it goes.. but unfortunately CP is this bizarro world where those lines cross paths and what is fantasy becomes reality and vice versa.
Point being, unless you're moving to China and have the girl live with you, even at that, expect a relationship only lasting a little while. Now if a girl really loves you, she won't expect compensation (excepting a little to send to her parents every month) and will be obediently by your side while you live here...
HOWEVER... if she demands certain XX dollars, etc... and 800 RMB shopping sprees... I say, icksnay on the pussay...
As LA Monkey wisely told me... You pay a prostitute to leave... otherwise, you should pay.
AMEN.
- J - hence endeth my wu jiao for the day.
Jettsetter
09-17-09, 02:43
DITTO!! One thing that I want to emphasize is the role that Big Swingin Dave plays in all of this.
Let's face it, without BSD "on the ground" there, that very very few of us would have been able to make the acquaintance of each other. Prior to BSD, I remember a few of us getting together randomly but it was never the large scale "gang" that BSD has been able to arrange for the great KTV parties, nice meals, chicken runs, and other get-togethers.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Also, realize guys... I talked with BSD as many of us bros have for many hours about his role. It's a great role, but money is tight to be made in China. What's great about Dave is that he wants to provide his services and still save us money we otherwise would have wasted.
He actually, unless he's actually sitting by your side and privately guiding you (where he should be compensated), never asks for a dime from anybody.
But as I and many bros who have the fortune of having a US Paycheck do, we always help him out, because his services are invaluable.
So after you meet and understand how he works and his work ethic, you'll realize that we're not touting some runner who is trying to make a quick buck... but someone who is wisely helping us, helping us save, and at the same time, making a small cut to ensure that he is able to survive in china.
Believe me, it's almost volunteer work what he does, so in my humble opinion, make sure he is taken care of when you guys hang out with him.
Otherwise, his services may be gone, and the likes of many of you (including me) will never be able to network like we have these past months.
P.S. I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it. I mean as many of you who know me know, I can easily book and do what Dave does, but you have to understand that he actually DOES save us a ton of money going to these places... and goes to great lengths to ensure that we have a seemlessly good time, by putting himself at the front line, instructing the DJ's, management, etc... and building the relationships that we don't have the time to do...
With that being said... if you're coming to CP, at least contact BSD and see where the party is.
And try to take care of him if you can.
-J
You're ALMOST putting me to tears with this story... I say almost...
You're an awesome dude... but trust me when I say this... as I know from first hand experience, in that falling for a CP gal is the worst romantic decision you can make. I can tell you dozens of stories of kept girls who cheat on their men like crazy...
Of course, the heart goes where it goes.. but unfortunately CP is this bizarro world where those lines cross paths and what is fantasy becomes reality and vice versa.
Point being, unless you're moving to China and have the girl live with you, even at that, expect a relationship only lasting a little while. Now if a girl really loves you, she won't expect compensation (excepting a little to send to her parents every month) and will be obediently by your side while you live here...
HOWEVER... if she demands certain XX dollars, etc... and 800 RMB shopping sprees... I say, icksnay on the pussay...
As LA Monkey wisely told me... You pay a prostitute to leave... otherwise, you should pay.
AMEN.
- J - hence endeth my wu jiao for the day.I know what you are saying man, I lived in GZ for years and I have actually seen it happen where these girls were fleecing their blokes for all they were worth. The guy I was staying with in Panyu was actually married to a woman from CP and that was a trainwreck.
I am actually quite tight when it comes to things like shopping sprees and the like and I have actually refused to send my wifes parents money (that was a condition of marriage). I cringed a bit when I took the girl out on a 300RMB shopping spree (I figured she had earned it and I made most of it back in all of the Chinese that I learned from being with her).
Them demanding money, going out shopping all the time, etc would ring alarm bells quickly with me (even though we still ended up together after the ring fiasco. The whole thing didnt cost me anything extra and I still ended up shagging her). Besides which, I would not be anywhere near marrying this girl or anything was I to leave my wife anyway. I would not jump from one marriage to another so quickly. It would have to be a loooooooooooooong courtship.
And depending on how things go in the next few months I may very well end up moving to China again, nearby CP, so fingers crossed there, Ill be able to hang out there with you fellas more regularly.
She messaged me today too btw asking me what I was doing...*sigh*
Anyway, time to man up a bit, this is the CP board after all...
I think it was Charlie Sheen who said something along those lines, that he doesn't pay hookers to have sex with him, he pays them to leave AFTER he has sex with them.
One thing I will add about Dave is that the poor bastard does not sleep. He will stay with you until you have a definite shag for the night. It does not matter how late it gets he will not go home until he is sure you will get laid that night. I have seen him stay up until about 3am and be up and about for breakfast at 8am for days on end. Now that is service!
So after you meet and understand how he works and his work ethic, you'll realize that we're not touting some runner who is trying to make a quick buck... but someone who is wisely helping us, helping us save, and at the same time, making a small cut to ensure that he is able to survive in china.
Believe me, it's almost volunteer work what he does, so in my humble opinion, make sure he is taken care of when you guys hang out with him.
Otherwise, his services may be gone, and the likes of many of you (including me) will never be able to network like we have these past months.
P.S. I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it. I mean as many of you who know me know, I can easily book and do what Dave does, but you have to understand that he actually DOES save us a ton of money going to these places... and goes to great lengths to ensure that we have a seemlessly good time, by putting himself at the front line, instructing the DJ's, management, etc... and building the relationships that we don't have the time to do...
With that being said... if you're coming to CP, at least contact BSD and see where the party is.
And try to take care of him if you can.
-J
I also had the pleasure of meeting Dave and found him a geniunely nice guy. I asked him politely upon meeting him, not in great depth for fear of being intrusive, what he does for a living. He told me what he does, which is unrelated to the hobby. And he did not ask for or hint at remuneration of any kind during the entire time that I was in CP. Even though I can read and speak Mandarin, and understand some Cantonese, I sought his advice and followed to his suggestion. Above all, we had a lot of fun together and I consider him a friend. I was able to meet SE Joe, Dr Jim, Jetsetter and Pigfat and partied with them because Dave was there watching over the "candy store". So thanks, Dave.
FOR ME PERSONALLY, I would not slip a few Mao to Dave because I think he would be offended if I did that. But if I can use his professional skills and direct some business his way, I would not hesistate to do so.
SE Asia Joe
09-17-09, 06:43
Also, realize guys... I talked with BSD as many of us bros have for many hours about his role. It's a great role, but money is tight to be made in China. What's great about Dave is that he wants to provide his services and still save us money we otherwise would have wasted.
He actually, unless he's actually sitting by your side and privately guiding you (where he should be compensated), never asks for a dime from anybody.
But as I and many bros who have the fortune of having a US Paycheck do, we always help him out, because his services are invaluable.
So after you meet and understand how he works and his work ethic, you'll realize that we're not touting some runner who is trying to make a quick buck... but someone who is wisely helping us, helping us save, and at the same time, making a small cut to ensure that he is able to survive in china.
Believe me, it's almost volunteer work what he does, so in my humble opinion, make sure he is taken care of when you guys hang out with him.
Otherwise, his services may be gone, and the likes of many of you (including me) will never be able to network like we have these past months.
P.S. I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it. I mean as many of you who know me know, I can easily book and do what Dave does, but you have to understand that he actually DOES save us a ton of money going to these places... and goes to great lengths to ensure that we have a seemlessly good time, by putting himself at the front line, instructing the DJ's, management, etc... and building the relationships that we don't have the time to do...
With that being said... if you're coming to CP, at least contact BSD and see where the party is.
And try to take care of him if you can.
-J
Again DITTO!!!
And I'd like to add just a bit more. BSDave is actually NOT doing this as his main vocation - rather it is that his main job has taken a bit of a lull in the interim and he does not need to spend 24/7 on it these days. But it ain't gonna be in a lull forever and you know that he ain't gonna be doing what he's been doing these days for long - and thus you guys better get a hold of him pronto!
BSDave loves to party, he loves to get together with guys and be hospitable to them, and he is just an all around nice guy and natural party goer/arranger. I guess somewhere along the line he just decided that all this partying was taking too much money and that he really cannot/should not continue doing this all for free.
On the other hand, not wanting to adversely affect the other guys in his group of friends, he instead went to the management of various venues and made deals to get "finder's fees" FROM the establishments. At the same time he went about setting his own expectations as to the code of conduct that these establishments must adhere to, to get his - and his party's - patronage. And this is why we've all had the privilege of having a great time AND save lots of $$ and lots head-aches/dangers etc. Win win for us!!
And I've personally chastised him a few times for being so generous of his effort and time with some of the guys that he's helped out- whilst these wankers think and act as if BSDave is there to be at his beck and call. The hell with these guys I say - and if you happen to have the privilege of getting BSDave to take care of you, please KNOW that he's doing YOU a favor and not the other way around and thus I'd like to see that you take care of him. Apologize if I'm spouting off too much - but I really get pissed off with how some of these BS DICKS acts towards our BSDave!
Make sure that BSDave don't ever need to pay for any share of any bills and make sure that he gets some $$ FROM YOU every time he does something for you and/or your friends. This is another thing that I'd chastised him on, for being the non-petty and gentlemanly personae that he is, it's been too second natured for him to just go ahead and throw in his money every time he's out with us - when the fact of the matter is that he's only there because he's arranging things for us and NOT for himself. After all, how many times can anybody go to a KTV, a footsie , a restaurant - time and time again and everyday before one gets sick of doing so??!
As far as Wilde's "...FOR ME PERSONALLY, I would not slip a few Mao to Dave because I think he would be offended if I did that....." I would like to put it here in black and white a request to BSDave to NOT get offended at all when us guys slip you a few $$ - hell, it's the easiest and the only tangible way we can say thanks to you. OK Dave?
You guys KNOW what to do on your end, right? RIGHT??!! Just making sure that he doesn't pay any share of any bills is NOT enough and I actually think denigrate his service to us guys - especially seeing how some of these BS DICKS I mentioned above starts acting up just coz he treats BSDave for some shit meal or footsie or whatever. IDIOTS!
And again DITTO Jett's "....I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it........"
SEAJ
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SE Asia Joe
09-17-09, 10:15
I know what you are saying man, I lived in GZ for years and I have actually seen it happen where these girls were fleecing their blokes for all they were worth. The guy I was staying with in Panyu was actually married to a woman from CP and that was a trainwreck.
you've seen it yourself and you still don't have your brakes on yet?? You were basically in heaven when you were in CP - but you as well as I know that this is earth after all. What you oughta worry about is a hard landing back on earth!
I am actually quite tight when it comes to things like shopping sprees and the like and I have actually refused to send my wifes parents money (that was a condition of marriage). I cringed a bit when I took the girl out on a 300RMB shopping spree (I figured she had earned it and I made most of it back in all of the Chinese that I learned from being with her).
Them demanding money, going out shopping all the time, etc would ring alarm bells quickly with me (even though we still ended up together after the ring fiasco. The whole thing didnt cost me anything extra and I still ended up shagging her). Besides which, I would not be anywhere near marrying this girl or anything was I to leave my wife anyway. I would not jump from one marriage to another so quickly. It would have to be a loooooooooooooong courtship.
And depending on how things go in the next few months I may very well end up moving to China again, nearby CP, so fingers crossed there, Ill be able to hang out there with you fellas more regularly.
She messaged me today too btw asking me what I was doing...*sigh*
Anyway, time to man up a bit, this is the CP board after all...
I think it was Charlie Sheen who said something along those lines, that he doesn't pay hookers to have sex with him, he pays them to leave AFTER he has sex with them.
Why cain't you have your cake and eat it too? That's what a lot of us guys do - keep our marriage intact but still go out and do whatever it is that we want to do.
Follow the 4 rules - 1. Deny 2.Do not let your better half loose face vs. her circle of firends 3. don't bring home anything dirty (VD) 4. don't have any kids out there - and it doesn't matter/makes no difference to her... or your marriage. For all she knows/guess/care, IF YOU FOLLOW THE 4 RULES - you could be out working, playing golf or ??? whilst you're actually with your li'l honey.
No need to/Don't jump into action just because you experienced a bit of heaven. Don't do it buddy!!
And let me assure you.... practically 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!! Your new friend is NOT going to mind one bit whether you're married or not. In fact, I'd rather think that she prefers that you would still remain married as it makes her life a whole lot easier...and more profitable. I'm NOT saying that she doesn't have any feelings for you - she probably does - but she also knows realities and has both her feet firmly planted on good old earth. do you?
Go with greatness and in peace! That.... is what's most important in life.
SEAJ
Dongguan City is about 30 minutes from C.P. It will cost about 80RMB to get to CP from DC. Let us know when u r in town and we will hook you up with others in town to party together.
BSDDave:
I just came back to the States. Boy was I sore in some area (He! He!)
Thanks for everything, You are the man. I hope my next trip can be sooner. Just remember me. The tall choppy guy from LA.
Hope to see you soon.
Big Swingin Dave
09-17-09, 21:51
Again DITTO!!!
And I'd like to add just a bit more. BSDave is actually NOT doing this as his main vocation - rather it is that his main job has taken a bit of a lull in the interim and he does not need to spend 24/7 on it these days. But it ain't gonna be in a lull forever and you know that he ain't gonna be doing what he's been doing these days for long - and thus you guys better get a hold of him pronto!
BSDave loves to party, he loves to get together with guys and be hospitable to them, and he is just an all around nice guy and natural party goer/arranger. I guess somewhere along the line he just decided that all this partying was taking too much money and that he really cannot/should not continue doing this all for free.
On the other hand, not wanting to adversely affect the other guys in his group of friends, he instead went to the management of various venues and made deals to get "finder's fees" FROM the establishments. At the same time he went about setting his own expectations as to the code of conduct that these establishments must adhere to, to get his - and his party's - patronage. And this is why we've all had the privilege of having a great time AND save lots of $$ and lots head-aches/dangers etc. Win win for us!!
And I've personally chastised him a few times for being so generous of his effort and time with some of the guys that he's helped out- whilst these wankers think and act as if BSDave is there to be at his beck and call. The hell with these guys I say - and if you happen to have the privilege of getting BSDave to take care of you, please KNOW that he's doing YOU a favor and not the other way around and thus I'd like to see that you take care of him. Apologize if I'm spouting off too much - but I really get pissed off with how some of these BS DICKS acts towards our BSDave!
Make sure that BSDave don't ever need to pay for any share of any bills and make sure that he gets some $$ FROM YOU every time he does something for you and/or your friends. This is another thing that I'd chastised him on, for being the non-petty and gentlemanly personae that he is, it's been too second natured for him to just go ahead and throw in his money every time he's out with us - when the fact of the matter is that he's only there because he's arranging things for us and NOT for himself. After all, how many times can anybody go to a KTV, a footsie , a restaurant - time and time again and everyday before one gets sick of doing so??!
As far as Wilde's "...FOR ME PERSONALLY, I would not slip a few Mao to Dave because I think he would be offended if I did that....." I would like to put it here in black and white a request to BSDave to NOT get offended at all when us guys slip you a few $$ - hell, it's the easiest and the only tangible way we can say thanks to you. OK Dave?
You guys KNOW what to do on your end, right? RIGHT??!! Just making sure that he doesn't pay any share of any bills is NOT enough and I actually think denigrate his service to us guys - especially seeing how some of these BS DICKS I mentioned above starts acting up just coz he treats BSDave for some shit meal or footsie or whatever. IDIOTS!
And again DITTO Jett's "....I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it........"
SEAJ
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OK guys, enough kudos, I just want everyone to know is that I really enjoy everyone visiting C.P. and allowing me to make the arrangements for everyone. Like Jetsetter said, he and most people that had come to C.P. before can pretty much do what I do here. It doesn't take a elementary school graduate to make hotel reservations, ktv reservations, tour guide, etc. services. There are a lot of very generous people out there; especially SEAJoe which is our resident DG guru, he has been a great mentor to me. Also, the ultimate party animal Jetsetter, he was a big part of mine 25 nights KTV streak which coincidentally was broken on the day that he left and I haven't party for 3 nights straight. Most people that has party with him knows how much fun he brings to the party every night. I have met so many brilliant and fun people through the forum so I must give all the kudos to Jackson for having this great place for us to share our experiences, without it, C.P. will not be the same for ALL of us. So, enough said, let's get back to the reason why we read this forum in the first place, ok guys!
BSD
Big Swingin Dave
09-17-09, 21:58
Again DITTO!!!
And I'd like to add just a bit more. BSDave is actually NOT doing this as his main vocation - rather it is that his main job has taken a bit of a lull in the interim and he does not need to spend 24/7 on it these days. But it ain't gonna be in a lull forever and you know that he ain't gonna be doing what he's been doing these days for long - and thus you guys better get a hold of him pronto!
BSDave loves to party, he loves to get together with guys and be hospitable to them, and he is just an all around nice guy and natural party goer/arranger. I guess somewhere along the line he just decided that all this partying was taking too much money and that he really cannot/should not continue doing this all for free.
On the other hand, not wanting to adversely affect the other guys in his group of friends, he instead went to the management of various venues and made deals to get "finder's fees" FROM the establishments. At the same time he went about setting his own expectations as to the code of conduct that these establishments must adhere to, to get his - and his party's - patronage. And this is why we've all had the privilege of having a great time AND save lots of $$ and lots head-aches/dangers etc. Win win for us!!
And I've personally chastised him a few times for being so generous of his effort and time with some of the guys that he's helped out- whilst these wankers think and act as if BSDave is there to be at his beck and call. The hell with these guys I say - and if you happen to have the privilege of getting BSDave to take care of you, please KNOW that he's doing YOU a favor and not the other way around and thus I'd like to see that you take care of him. Apologize if I'm spouting off too much - but I really get pissed off with how some of these BS DICKS acts towards our BSDave!
Make sure that BSDave don't ever need to pay for any share of any bills and make sure that he gets some $$ FROM YOU every time he does something for you and/or your friends. This is another thing that I'd chastised him on, for being the non-petty and gentlemanly personae that he is, it's been too second natured for him to just go ahead and throw in his money every time he's out with us - when the fact of the matter is that he's only there because he's arranging things for us and NOT for himself. After all, how many times can anybody go to a KTV, a footsie , a restaurant - time and time again and everyday before one gets sick of doing so??!
As far as Wilde's "...FOR ME PERSONALLY, I would not slip a few Mao to Dave because I think he would be offended if I did that....." I would like to put it here in black and white a request to BSDave to NOT get offended at all when us guys slip you a few $$ - hell, it's the easiest and the only tangible way we can say thanks to you. OK Dave?
You guys KNOW what to do on your end, right? RIGHT??!! Just making sure that he doesn't pay any share of any bills is NOT enough and I actually think denigrate his service to us guys - especially seeing how some of these BS DICKS I mentioned above starts acting up just coz he treats BSDave for some shit meal or footsie or whatever. IDIOTS!
And again DITTO Jett's "....I'm not being put up to this by anybody. Anybody that knows me, knows that if this were some sort of scam or shameless advertisement, I wouldn't support it........"
SEAJ
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OK guys, enough kudos, I just want everyone to know is that I really enjoy everyone visiting C.P. and allowing me to make the arrangements for everyone. Like Jetsetter said, he and most people that had come to C.P. before can pretty much do what I do here. It doesn't take a elementary school graduate to make hotel reservations, ktv reservations, tour guide, etc. services. There are a lot of very generous people out there; especially SEAJoe which is our resident DG guru, he has been a great mentor to me. Also, the ultimate party animal Jetsetter, everyone that has the privilege of partying with him knows how much fun he brings to the party. The only thing that you can’t bring to the party is your singing voice (hahaha…inside joke). He served a big part of my 25 nights KTV marathon and coincidentally the streak ended on the day he left town.
So, enough with the Kudos guys because I think ALL the credit should go to Jackson as he has the vision to create such a great place for us to share our experiences and without it, I would not have the privilege of meeting so many interesting and brilliant people..ahem..of course, some not so brilliant…LOL.
Please be sure to let me know when you are in town and I will make sure you will be connected to others to party with. Let's get back to what the forum is really for...
BSD
Let me make this clear. CP is the best place I have mongered in all of Asia hands down. MPs are better in Zhuhai, Foot Massages are better in Shanghai. But nothing comes even close to the quality and quantity of the KTVs and their girls in CP (and CA). That being said, it was due to the groups put together by BSD that enabled us to have this one of a lifetime experience and all kudos go to him.
Stayed at the Clipper, highly recommended. I stayed the first night at the Swan Lake, it was old, dirty and humid. Moved to Clipper the next day following BSD's advice. Clipper has newer facilities and a damn fine buffet breakfast (included in the price). A great meeting point for all the bros to gather in the morning and discuss the previous night's festivities and plan the new day.
The KTV scene is utterly amazing. Manhattan, Mayflower, PP, Fuhao, California Red, Virgin KTV, unnamed naked KTV(s). Unbelievable. I can't really describe it, only that you should learn some Chinese and go see for yourself if you have any interest in young, beautiful Asian girls. Even the non-speaking Chinese friends had a good time, but I'm 100% positive they signed up for an intensive Chinese language course when they got home.
Damn I learned a lot. Special sex techniques from Slower Better. New Drinking Games from Jettsetter (Da Yue/Xiao Yue/BimBAM Ah! ). KTV etiquette from BSD (How to control the room I. E. Save money). Girl advice from SEAJoe. Just an overall blast for myself and my friends. Meeting new people was a definite plus as we all bonded quickly with our common interests.
As for BSD, I personally feel his services are invaluable and would highly recommend anyone considering coming to CP to PM him for info/lodging/transportation/etc. He definitely has saved us a lot of money by arranging the outings and controlling the costs while there. I also believe he is in a fact-finding/due diligence stage of creating the best win-win situation for visitors and himself. I look forward to visiting all the new venues that are opening up as I know he is diligently forging relationships with all the players in advance for our future pleasure. In any case, whatever the final outcome is, I'll be the first in line to support him and help out anyway I can.
Pigfat. Get that girl out of your mind asap. As you know, I had a similar experience, but I have already put that behind me. Don't forget your shopping fiasco, as I recall you weren't too happy after that.
LAMonkey
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I second SEAJ's sentiments. Deny Deny Deny Deny! Then Deny some more. Your SO/Wife doesn't really want to know what you've been doing. On another board a provider posted her views. She basically said that she suspected her husband was cheating on her but had no real proof. When she confronted him, he confessed. She admitted that she had no proof and probably would have believed him had he denied it. In fact, she admitted that she wanted him to deny it and still wishes now that he denied it. But once the cat was 100% out of the bag, their marriage could not be saved. There is a reason we have wives and there is a reason we go to CP. Those are two separate things and should not be intermingled. You wouldn't bring your wife/SO to CP would you?
you've seen it yourself and you still don't have your brakes on yet?? You were basically in heaven when you were in CP - but you as well as I know that this is earth after all. What you oughta worry about is a hard landing back on earth!
Why cain't you have your cake and eat it too? That's what a lot of us guys do - keep our marriage intact but still go out and do whatever it is that we want to do.
Follow the 4 rules - 1. Deny 2.Do not let your better half loose face vs. her circle of firends 3. don't bring home anything dirty (VD) 4. don't have any kids out there - and it doesn't matter/makes no difference to her... or your marriage. For all she knows/guess/care, IF YOU FOLLOW THE 4 RULES - you could be out working, playing golf or ??? whilst you're actually with your li'l honey.
No need to/Don't jump into action just because you experienced a bit of heaven. Don't do it buddy!!
And let me assure you.... practically 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!! Your new friend is NOT going to mind one bit whether you're married or not. In fact, I'd rather think that she prefers that you would still remain married as it makes her life a whole lot easier...and more profitable. I'm NOT saying that she doesn't have any feelings for you - she probably does - but she also knows realities and has both her feet firmly planted on good old earth. do you?
Go with greatness and in peace! That.... is what's most important in life.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-18-09, 14:13
I second SEAJ's sentiments. Deny Deny Deny Deny! Then Deny some more. Your SO/Wife doesn't really want to know what you've been doing. On another board a provider posted her views. She basically said that she suspected her husband was cheating on her but had no real proof. When she confronted him, he confessed. She admitted that she had no proof and probably would have believed him had he denied it. In fact, she admitted that she wanted him to deny it and still wishes now that he denied it. But once the cat was 100% out of the bag, their marriage could not be saved. There is a reason we have wives and there is a reason we go to CP. Those are two separate things and should not be intermingled. You wouldn't bring your wife/SO to CP would you?
The way I understand it, the psychology is like this:
If the guy do not deny it, then the wife knows that he doesn't even care enough about her to lie and thus guy is beyond redemption. If the guy denies it, even though she is 99% sure that he's lying, then there is at least hope and something to build the relationship back up. Remember, to a lot of people lying is a sin and for the husband to prefer to commit the sin of lying rather than taking the chance of destroying the marriage means a lot to the wife.
He admits to it all, then there is nothing on which the wife can build on to try to salvage. Just IMHO
SEAJ
There is a reason we have wives and there is a reason we go to CP. Those are two separate things and should not be intermingled. You wouldn't bring your wife/SO to CP would you?
Thank goodness these China girls can't easily get a visa to travel freely. Can you imagine these gals start showing up in your office/home/neighborhood?
I remember one time I was in Beijing for awhile and after days of texting, brief calls, etc., a girl from CP mentioned she'd like to visit me and all. Not that I took it seriously, but still, stuff like this wouldn't bode well if you've got a SO.
Ferry service detail from HK.
WTF are you asking??
Which part of this are you asking is correct or not?
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-18-09, 16:33
Ferry service detail from HK.
To where??!!
Out of luck if you're going to Dongguan - no such thing
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-18-09, 16:35
Thank goodness these China girls can't easily get a visa to travel freely. Can you imagine these gals start showing up in your office/home/neighborhood?
I remember one time I was in Beijing for awhile and after days of texting, brief calls, etc., a girl from CP mentioned she'd like to visit me and all. Not that I took it seriously, but still, stuff like this wouldn't bode well if you've got a SO.
You're in for a surprise!!
The Shenzhen and Hong Kong governments are at present talking on a scheme to allow even NON-residents of Shenzhen who are living/working there to be allowed to come to Hong Kong on a two way visa. something which shud have been implemented by now actually, but delayed a bit for the final details
SEAJ
Fast Eddie 48
09-18-09, 16:58
To where??!!
Out of luck if you're going to Dongguan - no such thing
SEAJSEAJ,
There are ferry to Humen that is in Dongguan from HK china ferry terminal in Kowloon only 4 a day ,but Humen is 45 min drive to CP and about 20 min to Houjie .
Fast Eddie 48
Fast Eddie 48.
Any reason to be in Houjie other than hotel.
Ferry price for the crossing and schedule would be helpful.
Thanks S7
Ref:
Is Huizhou and Houjie the same town ?
Huizhou post
HKIA to Zhuhai Ferry
There are ferry to Humen that is in Dongguan from HK china ferry terminal in Kowloon only 4 a day ,but Humen is 45 min drive to CP and about 20 min to Houjie .
Fast Eddie 48
I have been visiting China for almost 20 years. Frankly, I think I was in ChangPing perhaps 15 years ago and then it was not nice, so I've avoided it over the years. I tend to stay in Shenzhen or Guangzhou for play. However, I will be there in October and need something to do for a few days between HK electronics show and Canton Fair Phase 2. Any guess if the LE will be still cracking down for the 60th anniversary celebration by October 15? If so, might CP be a better option? The last time I was there I took an old "local" train.- but I think these no longer exist. Any suggestions you have for hotels, travel advice, and anything else is appreciated. A hotel with local KTV and non-KTV talent is preferred.
THANKS in advance!
(I did look through the links, but there are SO many I hoped to cut to the chas. THANKS again!)
Bob Builder
09-19-09, 12:19
I have been visiting China for almost 20 years. Frankly, I think I was in ChangPing perhaps 15 years ago and then it was not nice, so I've avoided it over the years. I tend to stay in Shenzhen or Guangzhou for play. However, I will be there in October and need something to do for a few days between HK electronics show and Canton Fair Phase 2. Any guess if the LE will be still cracking down for the 60th anniversary celebration by October 15? If so, might CP be a better option? The last time I was there I took an old "local" train.- but I think these no longer exist. Any suggestions you have for hotels, travel advice, and anything else is appreciated. A hotel with local KTV and non-KTV talent is preferred.
THANKS in advance!
(I did look through the links, but there are SO many I hoped to cut to the chas. THANKS again!)
Nothing's changed. CP is still a dump. Overpriced Gals and Hotels. Shitty service. All the stuff on this thread is BS.
Stay in Hong Kong or go to Macau as I have heard there is a bounty on travellers caught with a Canton Fair pass as they know you can afford it to keep your job if you get busted.
While I was there I spoke with a few KTV managers and they told me that most gals are actually leaving CP during the Canton Fair (due to the 60th anniversary of the PRC) and are being replaced by ladyboys. You heard it here first.
Member #4144
09-19-09, 15:25
Nothing's changed. CP is still a dump. Overpriced Gals and Hotels. Shitty service. All the stuff on this thread is BS.
Stay in Hong Kong or go to Macau as I have heard there is a bounty on travellers caught with a Canton Fair pass as they know you can afford it to keep your job if you get busted.
Or just stay in Canton, as that city will be filled with WGs anyway to welcome all the Canton Fair travellers. Sure they are mostly old and ugly but, hey, they are right there and charge you only 1000 for ST, a great special during Canton Fair.
Fillmore
Posted awhile ago by the ever-alert SEAJ
Surge in thefts and robberies in Dongguan
He Huifeng
Date: month 12, 2009
Dongguan in the Pearl River Delta may be in the grip of a crime wave, as its once-booming manufacturing sector struggles amid the global financial crisis.
Few public reports have emerged but there has been a surge in postings on popular online chat rooms and bulletin boards in the past two months offering first-hand accounts of thefts and robberies.
"They hit my face and forced me to tell them the password for my debit card," one contributor called "Loving Monica" said of an attack on her in Houjie township, Dongguan, on December 3.
Two men dragged her into a car. She said she shouted for help as her abductors circled the bank in the car but nobody noticed.
The men eventually pushed her out of the car after getting the password out of her and taking money from her account at a nearby ATM.
She said she went to the police to ask to see security camera footage of the area but they refused.
Hundreds of netizens replied to her post, saying they also felt street crime had become more rampant. "In Dongguan, being robbed is common. You are among the lucky ones. My friend is still in hospital because of a robbery," one said.
In addition, at least two big jewellers in Changping and Shijie townships were robbed at gunpoint in December.
The decline in public safety is an embarrassment to the municipal government, which had pledged to clean up the city's streets after a spate of bag-snatchings by motorcycle robbers and other crimes two years ago.
Although motorcycles were banned in the city, among other measures, a growing number of jobless migrants now pose a new threat.
Houjie party chief Li Huiqin told a public security conference early last month the township was facing more public-safety challenges than ever because of the huge number of jobless people.
He called on the police to make an all-out effort to counter the worsening situation.
Security guards protecting factories that have been shut down are also worried.
"It's tough to be here just by myself," security guard Li Jun said, as he stood watch outside a factory that closed in November after laying off 200 workers.
"Three other factories have also closed in the neighbourhood and the nearby stores and restaurants have closed down one after another."
He said he was the only person in the three-storey plant protecting its stocks of raw materials.
"I'm so worried every night about what would happen if thieves turned up," Mr Li said. "One or two thieves are fine. But I would be in great danger if three or more came."
Those who are lucky enough to still have a job in Dongguan's factories say they are also concerned about living in half-deserted areas.
"More than half of my neighbours have moved out of the six-storey rented building and gone back to their hometowns," a female migrant worker said.
"I have heard of so many break-ins in Dongguan recently. No one would notice if I were robbed or killed in the dreary building.
"Every day you read all sorts of crime stories in the newspaper and hear all sorts of horrible experiences from friends," she said.
"How can one have confidence in Dongguan?"
SEAJ
Just a Yin - Yang world
:p S7
BTW - this sound7 guy writes/sounds/has OWL stamped all over his forehead - he certainly has gained a loyal following in the Tijuana thread where he posts at!! Careful!!!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
09-20-09, 03:11
Posted awhile ago by the ever-alert SEAJ
Bruce,
This article is dated December 2009. It is now September 2009 if I am not mistaken. If you have more access to the future, can you also get me the winning Mark 6 numbers for the next few months?
BB
SE Asia Joe
09-20-09, 05:37
SEAJ
Just a Yin - Yang world
S7
O.W.L.!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-20-09, 05:39
Bruce,
This article is dated December 2009. It is now September 2009 if I am not mistaken. If you have more access to the future, can you also get me the winning Mark 6 numbers for the next few months?
BB
Now, now, now BB!
SEAJ
1 3 7 12 22 34 36 sure win!!
Balance, Reality, Happy
Just a Yin - Yang world
:) S7
Bingo !!
O.W.L.!
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
09-20-09, 09:32
The new Eurasia 5 stars hotel will be officially opening on September 27th. This is a genuine 5 Stars hotel: http://www.dgeahotel.com/cn/introduce.aspx#.
The KTV girls will be in 3 different cateogories: 1.6m-1.65m will be 2-5-8; 1.65m-1.7m will be 3,6,9; 1.7m or taller will be 5,10,15. No girls under 1.6m will be allowed to work there.
This hotel is much closer than the Royal Garden (20 minutes from the train station) which is less than 5 minutes by taxi from the train station.
We will have a recon party on the 28th and then will hold our monthly party there on October 3rd. Anyone interested in joining us on either or both of these party dates, please let me know.
BSD
Playboy2000
09-20-09, 13:25
The KTV girls will be in 3 different cateogories: 1.6m-1.65m will be 2-5-8; 1.65m-1.7m will be 3,6,9; 1.7m or taller will be 5,10,15. No girls under 1.6m will be allowed to work there.
If you change meters to pounds, this starts to sound like lobster pricing. :)
If you change meters to pounds, this starts to sound like lobster pricing. :)Some of those girls are better than lobster.
The KTV girls will be in 3 different cateogories: 1.6m-1.65m will be 2-5-8; 1.65m-1.7m will be 3,6,9; 1.7m or taller will be 5,10,15. No girls under 1.6m will be allowed to work there.
BSDFor 15 cm or more you have to paid 750 rmb more? Is it worth for the extra rmb?
Posted awhile ago by the ever-alert SEAJWas at CP for the weekend and staying at Hui Hua. This is my second trip to CP and the first trip was only hanging around at the KTV and Sauna. This trip, thought of paying a visit to the BBS as wanna try the new experience. Using the info and map and guidance obtained from ISG (thanks, bro), I took a walk to Hui Mei BBS (around 3pm) with another friend. While on the way from Hui Hua to Hui Mei, already been stopped by 3-4 mamasan who were busy giving biz cards to horny guys. Me took a couple as well.
But still wanna to pay a visit to the BBS to take a look. At the junction, was approached by a young chap holding a umbrella. Asked us whether we are keen to take any gals. I told him that we are only looking around the area and will decide later. He does not take NO as an answer. He followed us and when we reached the first BBS, of course a mamasan was trying to get us to go inside the BBS to take a look. Before we can reach, the young chap with umbrella ran towards us and asked us why wouldn't we take any gals from him. We did not answer him and before we know it, he used the umbrella to poke us. I was shocked by his action and being new to this foreign place, my fren and I decided to ignore him who had been harassing us and scolding us! Quickly we walked back to Hui Hua hotel. Bloody spoiled our moood.! I wonder what would happened if we continued to walk inside the BBS and take gals.
Was at CP for the weekend and staying at Hui Hua. This is my second trip to CP and the first trip was only hanging around at the KTV and Sauna. This trip, thought of paying a visit to the BBS as wanna try the new experience. Using the info and map and guidance obtained from ISG (thanks, bro), I took a walk to Hui Mei BBS (around 3pm) with another friend. While on the way from Hui Hua to Hui Mei, already been stopped by 3-4 mamasan who were busy giving biz cards to horny guys. Me took a couple as well.
But still wanna to pay a visit to the BBS to take a look. At the junction, was approached by a young chap holding a umbrella. Asked us whether we are keen to take any gals. I told him that we are only looking around the area and will decide later. He does not take NO as an answer. He followed us and when we reached the first BBS, of course a mamasan was trying to get us to go inside the BBS to take a look. Before we can reach, the young chap with umbrella ran towards us and asked us why wouldn't we take any gals from him. We did not answer him and before we know it, he used the umbrella to poke us. I was shocked by his action and being new to this foreign place, my fren and I decided to ignore him who had been harassing us and scolding us! Quickly we walked back to Hui Hua hotel. Bloody spoiled our moood.! I wonder what would happened if we continued to walk inside the BBS and take gals.
Foxdana,
If you know where to go already, do not give business to the "mamasans" on the street. They are not really mamasans, but runners who earn a commision for bringing you into the BBS from the street. Some of these runners are more or less independent (and unsollicited): they bring you to a BBS and then demand a fee from the BBS. A lot of HuiMei BBS mommies are not happy with this setup (= having to pay runners).
People in China can have some crude manners. You gotta be a bit more aggressive here. Don't be timid. You should have told off the chap with the umbrella in no uncertain terms. Be rude, tell him you know where to go, tell him you have a favourite mommy/shop already, whatever. Don't get into a fight though. Of course he won't take a (polite) no for an answer. If he did, he would never get any business.
Big Swingin Dave
09-21-09, 07:21
Was at CP for the weekend and staying at Hui Hua. This is my second trip to CP and the first trip was only hanging around at the KTV and Sauna. This trip, thought of paying a visit to the BBS as wanna try the new experience. Using the info and map and guidance obtained from ISG (thanks, bro), I took a walk to Hui Mei BBS (around 3pm) with another friend. While on the way from Hui Hua to Hui Mei, already been stopped by 3-4 mamasan who were busy giving biz cards to horny guys. Me took a couple as well.
But still wanna to pay a visit to the BBS to take a look. At the junction, was approached by a young chap holding a umbrella. Asked us whether we are keen to take any gals. I told him that we are only looking around the area and will decide later. He does not take NO as an answer. He followed us and when we reached the first BBS, of course a mamasan was trying to get us to go inside the BBS to take a look. Before we can reach, the young chap with umbrella ran towards us and asked us why wouldn't we take any gals from him. We did not answer him and before we know it, he used the umbrella to poke us. I was shocked by his action and being new to this foreign place, my fren and I decided to ignore him who had been harassing us and scolding us! Quickly we walked back to Hui Hua hotel. Bloody spoiled our moood.! I wonder what would happened if we continued to walk inside the BBS and take gals.
The guy you are talking about is psycho! His uncle owns the estabishments in that area and his wife runs one of the BBS next to his. The attitudes coming from the HuiMei BBS lately have been extremely aggressive and rude. I have stopped referring people there, it's not safe and you were wise to not go alone. When you are in C.P. please don't hesitate to PM me as I don't mind giving you some guidance when you are in town. There are plenty of BBS in the Yalan and Swan Lake area and is only a 5 minute taxi ride away. Please stay away from the HuiMei BBS area, too many bad things happening there lately.
BSD
SE Asia Joe
09-21-09, 07:21
Foxdana,
If you know where to go already, do not give business to the "mamasans" on the street. They are not really mamasans, but runners who earn a commision for bringing you into the BBS from the street. Some of these runners are more or less independent (and unsollicited): they bring you to a BBS and then demand a fee from the BBS. A lot of HuiMei BBS mommies are not happy with this setup (= having to pay runners).
People in China can have some crude manners. You gotta be a bit more aggressive here. Don't be timid. You should have told off the chap with the umbrella in no uncertain terms. Be rude, tell him you know where to go, tell him you have a favourite mommy/shop already, whatever. Don't get into a fight though. Of course he won't take a (polite) no for an answer. If he did, he would never get any business.
Don't know Wadman - Foxdana probably ran into that nutso nephew of the Big boss.
Foxdana - was the guy a bit taller, quite thin, speaks a smattering of English, has mean eyes and generally acts like a Loonie - which I myself think that he really is?!
This brings up what I've been saying all along - that it really is NOT a good idea for newbies to come to CP without a local or a knowledgeable buddy along to make sure that he is safe AND can enjoy CP to its fullest.
Also, lots of newbies come to CP and stay at the Hui Hua/Miraton - them being the nicest hotels in CP (although there are a bunch of new 4 - 5 star hotels opening up). Here, in this 4 star luxury, they start thinking - "Hey, this isn't too bad!! Not bad at all!!" and then go out the streets of CP thinking that everything is hunky dorey!
BAD MISTAKE - especially the streets right where these 2 hotels are situated at - as this is where a lot (majority) of crime against tourist (I d say that just about 99% of all tourists to CP are monger!) are commited. And let me tell you, I've heard - and witnessed myself - a lot of gory and serious things happening to mongers in CP.
CP can be a true paradise for mongering - but you DO need a knoweldgeable wing man to enjoy its full array of pleasures. Or it can be a very dangerous, expensive and frustrating destination. CP is NOT LOS, PI, Hong Kong or even Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou or Shenzhen. Cp is.... CP!
IMHO
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
09-21-09, 10:33
Fast Eddie 48.
Ref:
Is Huizhou and Houjie the same town ?
Huizhou post
HKIA to Zhuhai Ferry
Sound7,
Houjie is in Dongguan county. Huizhou is about 50 kms from CP and another city completely.
OAH
I agree with SEAJ about Huihua /Miraton safety. Even the WG that I let come over to the hotel, say it, it is not like before, she ask me to change hotel next time when I visit cp. The "bad guys" knows where they have to attack. And where is better than Huihua/Miraton area, where there is a lot of horny foreigner with a well filled wallet, who visit cp once a year, who "thinks" he knows everything but actually he knows nothing. ( Someone like me except the well filled wallet part. haha)I don't want to offense anyone, it is just my point of view.
Member #4144
09-21-09, 19:41
Since this is a rather popular board and I don't know where else to ask this question, and if I am not using this forum properly, please just ignore my question here:
I know most people like to DATY and most definitely French kiss a WG, but is using mouthwash afterwards useful? I am asking this question because I was in a recent situation where I DATY one girl and one hour later DATY/kiss another girl whom I really care about, should I somehow thoroughly clean my mouth in between to avoid transferring something from the 1st girl to the 2nd?
Fillmore
Since this is a rather popular board and I don't know where else to ask this question, and if I am not using this forum properly, please just ignore my question here:
I know most people like to DATY and most definitely French kiss a WG, but is using mouthwash afterwards useful? I am asking this question because I was in a recent situation where I DATY one girl and one hour later DATY/kiss another girl whom I really care about, should I somehow thoroughly clean my mouth in between to avoid transferring something from the 1st girl to the 2nd?
Fillmore
I do it anyway ALWAYS. I even do carry a small bottle with me when I am visiting soapies, termas and the like.
OAH
HK and Changping would be one of the points and what order would be practical for 7 day trip.
Thanks. S7
Sound7,
Houjie is in Dongguan county. Huizhou is about 50 kms from CP and another city completely.
OAH
Flat Stamp
09-22-09, 06:10
Hey BSDave & Others:
been lurking here for a while.
thanks for all the tips.
looking at visiting on the Oct/9th -- coming in from the states.
BSDave, whats the best way to get a hold of you?
OldAsiaHand
09-22-09, 09:47
OAH
HK and Changping would be one of the points and what order would be practical for 7 day trip.
Thanks. S7
S7,
Houjie and Huizhou are at opposite ends of the spectrum. CP is in the middle. You may want to start in HK, hit Houjie next followed by CP, Huizhou and back to Hong Kong.
Just my POV.
OAH
Hey BSDave & Others:
been lurking here for a while.
thanks for all the tips.
looking at visiting on the Oct/9th -- coming in from the states.
BSDave, whats the best way to get a hold of you?
Hmmm, it has been more than three hours since you posted this and SEAJ hasn't blasted at you. I guess he is out of ammo. Or he is still getting his gun cleaned and oiled by his BJ girl du jour.
How about pay for a membership and learn to use the Private Message system? Do you seriously expect BSDave to put on a limo driver's cap and hold up a little sign with your name on it and wait for you at the CP train station?
Bob Builder
09-22-09, 11:46
Since this is a rather popular board and I don't know where else to ask this question, and if I am not using this forum properly, please just ignore my question here:
I know most people like to DATY and most definitely French kiss a WG, but is using mouthwash afterwards useful? I am asking this question because I was in a recent situation where I DATY one girl and one hour later DATY/kiss another girl whom I really care about, should I somehow thoroughly clean my mouth in between to avoid transferring something from the 1st girl to the 2nd?
Fillmore
ROFLMAO!
If you cared so much about the 2nd girl, would you really need to ask this question?
If you cared so much about your own health, would you really need to ask this question?
Next you are going to ask if you need to wear condoms. All the good shit you can catch on your dick with not wearing condoms, you can catch in your mouth as well. I am not going to debate with all the cunning lingguists out there about whether the likihood is less or not.
ROFLMAO!
Foxdana,
If you know where to go already, do not give business to the "mamasans" on the street. They are not really mamasans, but runners who earn a commision for bringing you into the BBS from the street. Some of these runners are more or less independent (and unsollicited): they bring you to a BBS and then demand a fee from the BBS. A lot of HuiMei BBS mommies are not happy with this setup (= having to pay runners).
People in China can have some crude manners. You have to be a bit more aggressive here. Don't be timid. You should have told off the chap with the umbrella in no uncertain terms. Be rude, tell him you know where to go, tell him you have a favourite mommy/shop already, whatever. Don't get into a fight though. Of course he won't take a (polite) no for an answer. If he did, he would never get any business.Yup. Roughly knew where to go and took the cards from the so called mamasan when they insisted to give. Anyway, did not use any of the cards.!
Don't think wanna to get into a fight in a foreign place. You will never win!
The guy you are talking about is psycho! His uncle owns the estabishments in that area and his wife runs one of the BBS next to his. The attitudes coming from the HuiMei BBS lately have been extremely aggressive and rude. I have stopped referring people there, it's not safe and you were wise to not go alone. When you are in C.P. please don't hesitate to PM me as I don't mind giving you some guidance when you are in town. There are plenty of BBS in the Yalan and Swan Lake area and is only a 5 minute taxi ride away. Please stay away from the HuiMei BBS area, too many bad things happening there lately.
BSDBro BSD,
Ok at least I know this chap is crazy and not MAFIA or something.
Thanks for the infor and also your offer and No worries bud as I was with a bunch of friends from HK as well but they are not into BBS and only into KTV and Foot massage and as such, did not know much of BBS. They only knew Miraton, Hui Hua, Manhattan, Mayflower area. Hahaha.
Yup. Young chap in his 30s. Fit into your description!
Anyway, I was there 5 days 4 nights with friends and went to Miraton and Mayflower. First time to Mayflower KTV and this place is HUGE and one can get lost especially the rooms number are not in running order. And tons and tons of SYT until you do not know who to choose. Luckily me as got good GFE chicks for the nights. Hui Hua Hotel is really for the mongers especially one will notice during breakfast time.! Apart the loony guy, I really have a good trip in CP.
In fact, I am still suffering from PCPDS. (post CP depression syndrom)!
Don't know Wadman - Foxdana probably ran into that nutso nephew of the Big boss.
Foxdana - was the guy a bit taller, quite thin, speaks a smattering of English, has mean eyes and generally acts like a Loonie - which I myself think that he really is?!
This brings up what I've been saying all along - that it really is NOT a good idea for newbies to come to CP without a local or a knowledgeable buddy along to make sure that he is safe AND can enjoy CP to its fullest.
Also, lots of newbies come to CP and stay at the Hui Hua/Miraton - them being the nicest hotels in CP (although there are a bunch of new 4 - 5 star hotels opening up). Here, in this 4 star luxury, they start thinking - "Hey, this isn't too bad!! Not bad at all!!" and then go out the streets of CP thinking that everything is hunky dorey!
BAD MISTAKE - especially the streets right where these 2 hotels are situated at - as this is where a lot (majority) of crime against tourist (I d say that just about 99% of all tourists to CP are monger!) are commited. And let me tell you, I've heard - and witnessed myself - a lot of gory and serious things happening to mongers in CP.
CP can be a true paradise for mongering - but you DO need a knoweldgeable wing man to enjoy its full array of pleasures. Or it can be a very dangerous, expensive and frustrating destination. CP is NOT LOS, PI, Hong Kong or even Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou or Shenzhen. Cp is.... CP!
IMHO
SEAJ
Big Swingin Dave
09-22-09, 19:19
Hey BSDave & Others:
been lurking here for a while.
thanks for all the tips.
looking at visiting on the Oct/9th -- coming in from the states.
BSDave, whats the best way to get a hold of you?FS,
Please show your appreciation to Jackson for creating such a great place for all of us to share our experiences by subscribing to the forum. By doing so, you will be able to PM me and I will be able to provide you with assistance when you come to C.P.
BSD
Member #4144
09-22-09, 19:23
ROFLMAO!
If you cared so much about the 2nd girl, would you really need to ask this question?
If you cared so much about your own health, would you really need to ask this question?
Next you are going to ask if you need to wear condoms. All the good shit you can catch on your dick with not wearing condoms, you can catch in your mouth as well. I am not going to debate with all the cunning lingguists out there about whether the likihood is less or not.
ROFLMAO!
Sure, but I remember a couple times when having a sauna girl doing BBBJ, she washed her mouth afterwards with some solution supposedly stronger then your run of the mill mouthwash, so just wondering if there is such a thing, so I can get a bottle to travel with.
Fillmore
Sure, but I remember a couple times when having a sauna girl doing BBBJ, she washed her mouth afterwards with some solution supposedly stronger then your run of the mill mouthwash, so just wondering if there is such a thing, so I can get a bottle to travel with.
FillmoreYou know, just off the top of my head, you could do a lot worse than getting a bottle of baijiu and washing your mouth out with that.
Since this is a rather popular board and I don't know where else to ask this question, and if I am not using this forum properly, please just ignore my question here:
I know most people like to DATY and most definitely French kiss a WG, but is using mouthwash afterwards useful? I am asking this question because I was in a recent situation where I DATY one girl and one hour later DATY/kiss another girl whom I really care about, should I somehow thoroughly clean my mouth in between to avoid transferring something from the 1st girl to the 2nd?
Fillmore
Answer is a monthwash (make sure it contains alcohol) or even a shot of vodka (but not wine or beer as alcohol contents are too low) will always help as this will kill all/most bacterial germs (but please note that it may not kill some or many viruses out there, like certain types of Herpes. So an inspection to make sure she have no sores is also advisable.
So, monthwash will help but will not cure all. So Daty at your own risk.
Shark
Member #4144
09-23-09, 00:08
Answer is a monthwash (make sure it contains alcohol) or even a shot of vodka (but not wine or beer as alcohol contents are too low) will always help as this will kill all/most bacterial germs (but please note that it may not kill some or many viruses out there, like certain types of Herpes. So an inspection to make sure she have no sores is also advisable.
So, monthwash will help but will not cure all. So Daty at your own risk.
Shark
Thanks, that is what I need to know, so looks like a bottle of mouthwash and a bottle of pure alcohol is what I need to carry with me to CP next time.
Chlamydia is what I worry the most as it is most common and invisible.
Fillmore.
Jettsetter
09-23-09, 00:49
Sure, but I remember a couple times when having a sauna girl doing BBBJ, she washed her mouth afterwards with some solution supposedly stronger then your run of the mill mouthwash, so just wondering if there is such a thing, so I can get a bottle to travel with.
Fillmore
Fillmore, you're talking about the same country that believes an placing an IV in you cures everything and eater tiger penis gives you more verility?? I don't think i'd trust chinese logic on anything, especially when health and sanitation are concerned. I mean have you seen the dental hygiene of your average chap in China??
Anyways, while I'm sure the "germ killing" mouth washes are better than your own spit. if you have any open sores or bleeding gums, anything she has, will soon fester in your mouth as well. Luckily we kill off most of the things that get into our saliva and blood stream, but that doesn't mean that next time, that aggressive bug won't get through.
Point being, play by your own risk. Gauge your situation and do what you think is best. AT the end, a good dose of Zithro at the end of the trip always helps clear up the system. I often do a round of antibiotics following a trip if I feel anything funky coming on.
I'm no doctor, but every time my buddies have caught anything, the doctor always recommended the same cure... antibiotics.
-J
Member #4144
09-23-09, 01:37
Point being, play by your own risk. Gauge your situation and do what you think is best. AT the end, a good dose of Zithro at the end of the trip always helps clear up the system. I often do a round of antibiotics following a trip if I feel anything funky coming on.
-J
Sure thing, Jet, Zithro in between that is then. I am a big on 69 and whatever can help me to protect each girl and myself for the night is always good to know. As it happens, I often end up doing daty on more then one girl in a short time.
F.
Big Swingin Dave
09-23-09, 02:29
Jetsetter has a favorite phrase when he is in town and that is "we are always rushing to relax". Living in C.P. for the past four months and now have gone to countless KTVs and spending all night drinking and partying, it is often necessary find ways to relax. One of my favorite things to do in C.P. is to relax at a foot massage establishment and going to Qian Zu Ge with Jettsetter with his DVD player in toll but it's a hassle lugging the thing around so I suggested to the Clipper and they happily agreed that it's a great idea and purchased 5 DVD players for the customers to use while relaxing at their establishment. All you need to do is bring your own DVDs and they are cheap in China (most are 5RMB each - .75USD). There is no charge for the use of a DVD player. They got quite a few hotties there, so PM me next time you feel like relaxing and watching a movie, and I will give you some good recommendations. You can always count on CP as the place for "Happy Endings"...THE END
BSD
More it is prescribed or taken the less efective Zithro is next time. We are currently running out of antibiotics treatment. Mutations are ahead of our research capabilities.
[QUOTE=Jettsetter]Point being, play by your own risk. Gauge your situation and do what you think is best. AT the end, a good dose of Zithro at the end of the trip always helps clear up the system. I often do a round of antibiotics following a trip if I feel anything funky coming on.
I'm no doctor, but every time my buddies have caught anything, the doctor always recommended the same cure... antibiotics.[/QUOTE
Jettsetter
09-23-09, 08:05
more it is prescribed or taken the less efective zithro is next time. we are currently running out of antibiotics treatment. mutations are ahead of our research capabilities.
[quote=jettsetter]point being, play by your own risk. gauge your situation and do what you think is best. at the end, a good dose of zithro at the end of the trip always helps clear up the system. i often do a round of antibiotics following a trip if i feel anything funky coming on.
i'm no doctor, but every time my buddies have caught anything, the doctor always recommended the same cure... antibiotics.[/quote
like i said.. i don' take it unless i know something is afoot.. point is that it always gets prescribed... i mean i know of guys with the clap, rashes, etc... burning, etc... and it's always been the same treatment.
again, i'm not suggesting people take it as a "precaution"... in that you are right that antibiotics should always be taken to its full dose and only when necessary...
but if you know you've caught something weird or get that "not so fresh feeling", then zithro is what they usually prescribe.
anyways, like i said, am no doctor, consult a professional.. just sharing my little information i have in my [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) sized brain... i use the rest of it to figure out other ways to satisfy my fantasies... i leave it to the smart guys to worry about the rest of the stuff! :)
-j
Jettsetter
09-23-09, 08:09
Jetsetter has a favorite phrase when he is in town and that is "we are always rushing to relax". Living in C.P. for the past four months and now have gone to countless KTVs and spending all night drinking and partying, it is often necessary find ways to relax. One of my favorite things to do in C.P. is to relax at a foot massage establishment and going to Qian Zu Ge with Jettsetter with his DVD player in toll but it's a hassle lugging the thing around so I suggested to the Clipper and they happily agreed that it's a great idea and purchased 5 DVD players for the customers to use while relaxing at their establishment. All you need to do is bring your own DVDs and they are cheap in China (most are 5RMB each - .75USD). There is no charge for the use of a DVD player. They got quite a few hotties there, so PM me next time you feel like relaxing and watching a movie, and I will give you some good recommendations. You can always count on CP as the place for "Happy Endings"...THE END
BSD
What a great suggestion.. now only if they learned how to massage better... hands down Qin Ze Ge is the best massage in town... in terms of technique and really working your muscles.. there's no comparison.
However, if you're into just relaxing, talking with some cuties and potentially getting further, then outfits like Pozilim and Clipper may be right up your alley as you can buy their time and "work" on the gals.
I went to Pozilim for a while, but realized that I liked the massage much better at my good old footie at Qin Ze Ge - formerly under the Lucky hotel.
I've checked out the massage at Clipper and like the environment and enjoyed the girls... but it all depends on what you're out for :) ... I mean even the worse massage in CP is better than the best massage in a footie place in the states...
so I WILL NOT COMPLAIN!!
Great way to get Clipper on the right footing. Get them to have free WI-FI and I'm sold!! seriously ... places in CP don't have enough free WI-FI .. especially at a footie where I can spend as much as 3 hours.
Dave, let's set up a meeting with the manager and owners of the Qin de whatever places... talk to him about how to improve his establishment for us more "civilized folks" haha... well at least so I can get my laptop going ...
-J
Big Swingin Dave
09-23-09, 08:52
3 big events will be happening in China/Guangdong so C.P. will really be hopping from end of September through end of October. For those of you planning to visit, please make your reservations at the Hotels as well as the KTVs early. Expect hordes of mongers in town so timing will be critical. Don't get left out with no place to go...
BSD
Bob Builder
09-23-09, 12:01
Sure thing, Jet, Zithro in between that is then. I am a big on 69 and whatever can help me to protect each girl and myself for the night is always good to know. As it happens, I often end up doing daty on more then one girl in a short time.
F.
As someone mentioned earlier antibiotics don't kill viruses so Zithro is not going to help you and a good way to fuck up your system is taking antibiotics when you don't need them.
Do a web search using "oral herpes and genital warts" to see what Zithro can't help you with.
Hi Gents
In CP this weekend and pretty excited but nervous too having been burnt once before in China (Guilin).
I will definitely avoid Hui Mei. I am staying at Clipper Hotel. To find the BBS in Swan Lake area and Yalan can I easily find them if I wander round the area of the Clipper Hotel. If someone could post some rough directions that would be awesome or could at least point me backwards (eg: great post was made regarding directions 3 months ago). At least that would give me a good starting point to search on the board as there is just so much info on CP.
Is Swan Lake hotel easy to find and is that a Sauna or a KTV.
Thanks so much for any responses.
BB
Member #4144
09-23-09, 13:28
As someone mentioned earlier antibiotics don't kill viruses so Zithro is not going to help you and a good way to fuck up your system is taking antibiotics when you don't need them.
Do a web search using "oral herpes and genital warts" to see what Zithro can't help you with.
Sorry, I thought Zithro was a brand of mouthwash, stupid me!!! What I really mean is say is to use mouthwash and vodka after each DATY. BTW, I do DATY on k-girl only, that way I can know for sure I am her first on that day.
Fillmore
Great way to get Clipper on the right footing. Get them to have free WI-FI and I'm sold!! seriously ... places in CP don't have enough free WI-FI .. especially at a footie where I can spend as much as 3 hours.
... well at least so I can get my laptop going ...
-J
Jett
What I found is a 3G plan. Nationwide coverage for 100rmb, you get 25hrs per month for 3 consecutive months (with minor restrictions). If you travel less there frequent, it is 100rmb for 25 hours with no expiration.
These may not be the best plans on the market but I am glad to be able to run my laptop most every city I visited in China.
As much as you travel, it beats running to the web-bar or back to the hotel room. Dont wait for CP massage management to listen-up. They probably raise their prices first like Clipper did 40-42-48 rmb. Will be back to chat up with the girls there only over midnite supper cos like u say, Clipper massage technique is ho-hum.
\Bc8000
BTW, I do DATY on k-girl only, that way I can know for sure I am her first on that day.
Fillmore
That's funny..... I really hope you're not seriously thinking that's true. The truth is, there's a slightly better chance she didn't do a guy yet, but not by much, especially on a weekend.
Jettsetter
09-23-09, 16:36
Jett
What I found is a 3G plan. Nationwide coverage for 100rmb, you get 25hrs per month for 3 consecutive months (with minor restrictions). If you travel less there frequent, it is 100rmb for 25 hours with no expiration.
These may not be the best plans on the market but I am glad to be able to run my laptop most every city I visited in China.
As much as you travel, it beats running to the web-bar or back to the hotel room. Dont wait for CP massage management to listen-up. They probably raise their prices first like Clipper did 40-42-48 rmb. Will be back to chat up with the girls there only over midnite supper cos like u say, Clipper massage technique is ho-hum.
\Bc8000
is there a 3g plan with China Mobile? I got my iphone working there, so it's not so bad as I can get SOME coverage... but to do things like Skype, Slingbox, etc.. i need wi-fi in order for it to really work. Just would be nice if some establishments started realizing that its patronage would make business decisions based on things like that...
I know... I can only dream.. but at least I have a forum to express my thoughts and have sympathizers right? I mean if BSD can get the movie footie going, perhaps free wi-fi is just around the corner...
Do I dare dream that eventually they may even have more US stations at some other footies? I'm already impressed that the Clipper has CNN... Do I dare ask if any bar in the CP area broadcasts NFL and NCAA Football games??
Ah... that would truly be a treat if that were a reality. I'd wake up at all hours to catch a good satellite NFL game in CP. I mean Soccer or "Futball" is okay, but nothing beats a good gridiron game... beer in hand, ho in tow...
Someday maybe.... zzzzz
-J
the chinese use acupunture, pressure point massage, gua sha, tui na, cupping and others in part of traditional chinese medicine (tcm) practice. gold standard in chine, korea, vietnam and others. japanese use shiatsu and others based on tcm modification.
what would be the cost for a 90 minute session at qin ze ge or clipper ?
in the states the foot massage are provided by various communities and the quality varies to say the least as you have indicated.
the gold standard is myofacial trigger point therapy.
http://myofascialtherapy.org/:
myofacial trigger point therapy was used by the late president jfk under the care of janet travell, md in the 60's.
self-help:
www.triggerpointbook.com
other training:
program instructor:
cathy cohen, lmt
massage therapists can expect to have a greater understanding of the travell and simons’ approach to myofascial pain and dysfunction. mastery of specialized techniques such as ice and stretch, trigger point release, postural assessment and myofascial manipulation will be gained. the lecture portion of each unit is delivered as a live teleseminar or web broadcast. the distance learning program can stand alone for florida and national ce hours or can be combined with weekend hands-on workshops.
what a great suggestion.. now only if they learned how to massage better... hands down qin ze ge is the best massage in town... in terms of technique and really working your muscles.. there's no comparison.
however, if you're into just relaxing, talking with some cuties and potentially getting further, then outfits like pozilim and clipper may be right up your alley as you can buy their time and "work" on the gals.
i went to pozilim for a while, but realized that i liked the massage much better at my good old footie at qin ze ge - formerly under the lucky hotel.
i've checked out the massage at clipper and like the environment and enjoyed the girls... but it all depends on what you're out for :) ... i mean even the worse massage in cp is better than the best massage in a footie place in the states...
so i will not complain!!
Robin Mill
09-23-09, 21:22
Hi,
On my recent 9 days trip to CP, Kudos to BSD, I had 4 KTV sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. Great meeting all of you! Not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. I am big fan of BBS, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. I also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. Alas, BBS comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. I will recount my 3 bad experiences here.
Scene 1 - Late in the night after KTV and didn’t bring any KTV gal back. Did BBS chicken run in the day, got a handful of name-cards with gal names on it. 1 AM. Called mummy for Lulu, informed me that Lulu stayed very far away, not convenience to come over. Ok, fine. Proceed to call other mummy. Didn’t confirm anything with other mummy yet, Lulu mummy called back, said she is ok, can come over. Since Lulu is high on my selection list, proceed with her. She arrived. We chatted, but she seems cold, boring, green, prim and proper. She went to shower, came back and lay on opposite side of bed. My little bro give no hint of interest. About 30 minutes passed, I asked her to go back, and decided to pay her 100. However, she insisted that it is overnight and her cab fare to my hotel cost 40, or 80-100 two ways. Called mummy and question her why she promised Lulu that it is overnight. We monger usually try the gal ST first before deciding. Thus, it is a miscommunication. In the end, paid the gal 150 and she left. I did not even touch her.
Scene 2 - I finally understand the meaning of ‘dead fish’. GaoYan came over in the early afternoon. At first, everything seems great. She is a feisty gal, who can argue and banter with me. When it came down to business, she literally died. Not a single sound from her at all. To make matter worse, her face contour into agony when I tried to enter her. She claimed pain. Still, I managed to bonk a lifeless fish for 15 over minutes. There is not a single sound or body reaction from her for this 15 over minutes. Wow, wonder is she an expert or has a lifeless hole. Finally, my little bro gave up and decided to fall asleep. There is no way I can get it up. Ask her to bath and gave her 200. She asked for 10 more for transport. I said no, with the lousy service. She sulks and sat there, not wanting to leave. After 5 minutes, she is still there! I asked ‘what are you waiting for’? She retorted angrily and loudly that she wanted the extra 10 in abusive tone. I am not to be taken lightly with too, and I chased her out of the door, with some abusive language of my own. Ugly!
Scene 3 - Called for LiuYang at about 3pm. She came over from home, as she is not working. The mummy brings her to the café downstairs as I was having my lunch. She had her lunch with me. We started out great but when it came down to business, same as above, lousy services. And my little bro cannot get up. Gave her 100 (the other 100 I have paid the mummy), and she asked for 10 more. I said no, as her service is not up on par. I decided to call the mummy. The mummy tried to talk to LiuYang, and even offer to give her the 10, but she is arrogant and said that no customer has not ever given her the 10. I clarify with the mummy that the 10 is a tips, and is not part of the deal. She started interrupting cursing loudly at me when I was talking to the mummy, and I shouted at her to shut up. Does she think that I am that easy to bully with my baby face? The mummy wants to talk to her, and LiuYang exclaim loudly to the mummy not to worry, that she will have her own way to get the extra 10 from me. Wow, what arrogances! I told her, she wants the 10, dream on, and I asked the mummy to come up to defuse the situation. In the end, the mummy offers me a discount on my next trip and I relent. I pass the 10 buck to her and ask her to ‘roll out’. She hurled abusive remarks, wanted me to apologies to her, and even challenged me to hit her. We traded some insults, and finally, she leaves. Very ugly.
For all mongers, it is good to let the mummy inform the gals that if their service is not up to mark, there will not be any 10 tips. Period. The standard of the gal manners in BBS are low. The mummy also does not do much quality control, and it is a hit and misses. But I personally came across a very well mannered Chong Qing gal. She spit her inedible meal onto a piece of tissue paper when we eat, and she will hold onto her litter, looking out for the next trash bin. She is beautiful too, and I still don’t know why I didn’t ask her out the second time. Too many choices I guess.
There is also 1 more new BBS at Yalan area, making the total BBS in that area to 6. I find the mummy at Yalan area a little more pushy than Swan Lake. As for the former Swan Lake BBS opposite Manhattan, I didn’t try this time round. The mummies there are extremely pushy during my last trip, and this cost them my business.
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Bob Builder
09-24-09, 08:14
Hi,
On my recent 9 days trip to CP, Kudos to BSD, I had 4 KTV sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. Great meeting all of you! Not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. I am big fan of BBS, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. I also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. Alas, BBS comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. I will recount my 3 bad experiences here.
Scene 1 - Late in the night after KTV and didn’t bring any KTV gal back. Did BBS chicken run in the day, got a handful of name-cards with gal names on it. 1 AM. Called mummy for Lulu, informed me that Lulu stayed very far away, not convenience to come over. Ok, fine. Proceed to call other mummy. Didn’t confirm anything with other mummy yet, Lulu mummy called back, said she is ok, can come over. Since Lulu is high on my selection list, proceed with her. She arrived. We chatted, but she seems cold, boring, green, prim and proper. She went to shower, came back and lay on opposite side of bed. My little bro give no hint of interest. About 30 minutes passed, I asked her to go back, and decided to pay her 100. However, she insisted that it is overnight and her cab fare to my hotel cost 40, or 80-100 two ways. Called mummy and question her why she promised Lulu that it is overnight. We monger usually try the gal ST first before deciding. Thus, it is a miscommunication. In the end, paid the gal 150 and she left. I did not even touch her.
Scene 2 - I finally understand the meaning of ‘dead fish’. GaoYan came over in the early afternoon. At first, everything seems great. She is a feisty gal, who can argue and banter with me. When it came down to business, she literally died. Not a single sound from her at all. To make matter worse, her face contour into agony when I tried to enter her. She claimed pain. Still, I managed to bonk a lifeless fish for 15 over minutes. There is not a single sound or body reaction from her for this 15 over minutes. Wow, wonder is she an expert or has a lifeless hole. Finally, my little bro gave up and decided to fall asleep. There is no way I can get it up. Ask her to bath and gave her 200. She asked for 10 more for transport. I said no, with the lousy service. She sulks and sat there, not wanting to leave. After 5 minutes, she is still there! I asked ‘what are you waiting for’? She retorted angrily and loudly that she wanted the extra 10 in abusive tone. I am not to be taken lightly with too, and I chased her out of the door, with some abusive language of my own. Ugly!
Scene 3 - Called for LiuYang at about 3pm. She came over from home, as she is not working. The mummy brings her to the café downstairs as I was having my lunch. She had her lunch with me. We started out great but when it came down to business, same as above, lousy services. And my little bro cannot get up. Gave her 100 (the other 100 I have paid the mummy), and she asked for 10 more. I said no, as her service is not up on par. I decided to call the mummy. The mummy tried to talk to LiuYang, and even offer to give her the 10, but she is arrogant and said that no customer has not ever given her the 10. I clarify with the mummy that the 10 is a tips, and is not part of the deal. She started interrupting cursing loudly at me when I was talking to the mummy, and I shouted at her to shut up. Does she think that I am that easy to bully with my baby face? The mummy wants to talk to her, and LiuYang exclaim loudly to the mummy not to worry, that she will have her own way to get the extra 10 from me. Wow, what arrogances! I told her, she wants the 10, dream on, and I asked the mummy to come up to defuse the situation. In the end, the mummy offers me a discount on my next trip and I relent. I pass the 10 buck to her and ask her to ‘roll out’. She hurled abusive remarks, wanted me to apologies to her, and even challenged me to hit her. We traded some insults, and finally, she leaves. Very ugly.
For all mongers, it is good to let the mummy inform the gals that if their service is not up to mark, there will not be any 10 tips. Period. The standard of the gal manners in BBS are low. The mummy also does not do much quality control, and it is a hit and misses. But I personally came across a very well mannered Chong Qing gal. She spit her inedible meal onto a piece of tissue paper when we eat, and she will hold onto her litter, looking out for the next trash bin. She is beautiful too, and I still don’t know why I didn’t ask her out the second time. Too many choices I guess.
There is also 1 more new BBS at Yalan area, making the total BBS in that area to 6. I find the mummy at Yalan area a little more pushy than Swan Lake. As for the former Swan Lake BBS opposite Manhattan, I didn’t try this time round. The mummies there are extremely pushy during my last trip, and this cost them my business.
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If you want the gal out of the room, toss their precious mobile phone or the money you are going to pay them out the door of the room and the gal like a dog with stick will follow. Of course make sure you close the door afterwards.
Jettsetter
09-24-09, 08:21
hi,
on my recent 9 days trip to cp, kudos to bsd, i had 4 ktv sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. great meeting all of you! not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. i am big fan of bbs, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. i also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. alas, bbs comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. i will recount my 3 bad experiences here.
scene 1 - late in the night after ktv and didn’t bring any ktv gal back. did bbs chicken run in the day, got a handful of name-cards with gal names on it. 1 am. called mummy for lulu, informed me that lulu stayed very far away, not convenience to come over. ok, fine. proceed to call other mummy. didn’t confirm anything with other mummy yet, lulu mummy called back, said she is ok, can come over. since lulu is high on my selection list, proceed with her. she arrived. we chatted, but she seems cold, boring, green, prim and proper. she went to shower, came back and lay on opposite side of bed. my little bro give no hint of interest. about 30 minutes passed, i asked her to go back, and decided to pay her 100. however, she insisted that it is overnight and her cab fare to my hotel cost 40, or 80-100 two ways. called mummy and question her why she promised lulu that it is overnight. we monger usually try the gal st first before deciding. thus, it is a miscommunication. in the end, paid the gal 150 and she left. i did not even touch her.
scene 2 - i finally understand the meaning of ‘dead fish’. gaoyan came over in the early afternoon. at first, everything seems great. she is a feisty gal, who can argue and banter with me. when it came down to business, she literally died. not a single sound from her at all. to make matter worse, her face contour into agony when i tried to enter her. she claimed pain. still, i managed to bonk a lifeless fish for 15 over minutes. there is not a single sound or body reaction from her for this 15 over minutes. wow, wonder is she an expert or has a lifeless hole. finally, my little bro gave up and decided to fall asleep. there is no way i can get it up. ask her to bath and gave her 200. she asked for 10 more for transport. i said no, with the lousy service. she sulks and sat there, not wanting to leave. after 5 minutes, she is still there! i asked ‘what are you waiting for’? she retorted angrily and loudly that she wanted the extra 10 in abusive tone. i am not to be taken lightly with too, and i chased her out of the door, with some abusive language of my own. ugly!
scene 3 - called for liuyang at about 3pm. she came over from home, as she is not working. the mummy brings her to the café downstairs as i was having my lunch. she had her lunch with me. we started out great but when it came down to business, same as above, lousy services. and my little bro cannot get up. gave her 100 (the other 100 i have paid the mummy), and she asked for 10 more. i said no, as her service is not up on par. i decided to call the mummy. the mummy tried to talk to liuyang, and even offer to give her the 10, but she is arrogant and said that no customer has not ever given her the 10. i clarify with the mummy that the 10 is a tips, and is not part of the deal. she started interrupting cursing loudly at me when i was talking to the mummy, and i shouted at her to shut up. does she think that i am that easy to bully with my baby face? the mummy wants to talk to her, and liuyang exclaim loudly to the mummy not to worry, that she will have her own way to get the extra 10 from me. wow, what arrogances! i told her, she wants the 10, dream on, and i asked the mummy to come up to defuse the situation. in the end, the mummy offers me a discount on my next trip and i relent. i pass the 10 buck to her and ask her to ‘roll out’. she hurled abusive remarks, wanted me to apologies to her, and even challenged me to hit her. we traded some insults, and finally, she leaves. very ugly.
for all mongers, it is good to let the mummy inform the gals that if their service is not up to mark, there will not be any 10 tips. period. the standard of the gal manners in bbs are low. the mummy also does not do much quality control, and it is a hit and misses. but i personally came across a very well mannered chong qing gal. she spit her inedible meal onto a piece of tissue paper when we eat, and she will hold onto her litter, looking out for the next trash bin. she is beautiful too, and i still don’t know why i didn’t ask her out the second time. too many choices i guess.
there is also 1 more new bbs at yalan area, making the total bbs in that area to 6. i find the mummy at yalan area a little more pushy than swan lake. as for the former swan lake bbs opposite manhattan, i didn’t try this time round. the mummies there are extremely pushy during my last trip, and this cost them my business.
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will, i read your post and must say that i disagree with your handling of the situation. i say this with all due respect and as a warning to others who try to handle the situation like this.
i've been going to cp for years now and while i understand that bad service should not be rewarded, i also think that getting into a pissing match over 10 rmb is not warranted either because of all the risks involved.
first off, you are dealing with a bbs gal. it is hit or miss in that scene.. unfortunately you get what you pay for. sometimes you find gems in the rough and sometimes there's no chemistry and you get lousy service.
it's par for the course my man, and i say this, again, with just experience in mind, nothing else.
my point to this is that the 10 is really her cab fair home. i mean she basically f'd you for 100 rmb because out of the 200 that you are paying 100 went to the mommies involved (50 to the runner and 50 to the mommy). so basically she has let you insert your xiao didi into her hole (albeit a bad experience) for a little more than $13 usd.
she wants to get back home and take a taxi which is going to cost about $1 usd (6-7 rmb) - so 10 is a nice round number that totals $1.30 usd in the current market.
over that, you have chosen to waste your precious time in cp, by arguing with her, belittling her, and putting up a big stink over 10 rmb? i mean while i agree that everyone can and should handle everything in their own way, i want you to think about the risks that are involved in your actions.
over this $1.30, there are many scenarios that can arise. she can get pissed off and grab whatever she finds, i.e. cell phone, hotel phone, camera, etc. and hurl it across the room in anger, breaking it into little pieces. now that is $1.30 vs. my $500 iphone.. worth it? no...
she can steal some stuff out of your room in anger, cuasing you additional room charges... $1.30 vs. $10-$20 for miscellaneous missing item (whatever it is, she'll do it just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off).
she can tell her boyfriends to come up with his gang and next time you're alone crack a bottle over your head in the middle of the street and run off... i know you may be a tough guy as most guys think they are, but when it's you against 5-6 guys, no matter how tough you are, they just need the element of surprise and a good swipe and you're toast. trip to emergency room = $50 usd with pain for the rest of the trip vs. $1.30 usd - worth it? no. (just ask ppp traveler about his experience... and you'll understand).
she can (depending on her influence) basically black ball you from other gals that you might otherwise have had a good time with - again, probably slight chance of this, but still - worth it? no.
she can fake a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), report you to the cops and while you have no idea of her age, maybe she is not of age yet. bail = $1,000 usd + bribes and lawyer fees, vs. $1.30 usd. worth it? no.
there are a myriad of scenarios that you have no idea can arise in this situation.
most guys know that i am never one to take bad service lying down. and i sometimes complain about it if they promised something that wasn't delivered. but look at your market... it's like you paying 25 cents for a bud light and finding out that it doesn't taste good. well, you get what you pay for right? my point being that just chalk it up to a bad lay.. move on and find another one.
i've had bad lays with ktv girls costing me 500, and even at that i have recourse to tell the mommies to get her fined for bad service (which basically would be devastating to her). however, i usually chalk it up to a bad experience and just move on.
there is plenty of good gals in cp. it's not worth it to make waves over bad ones.. they will weed themselves out. just tell your fellow mongers and make sure we stay away.. if all their girls are bad, then we will stay away from the entire store until they get better girls.
point is, don't put your own happiness and safety at risk over 10 rmb!!!! it's not worth it. i know many of you are men of principle, but you guys have enough money to blow a plane ticket to cp, a hotel room and ktv sessions, and live it up large... are you really going to risk all this fun over 10 rmb??!
please , do not take what i say as criticism or insult. just merely friendly advice... i want you to have a good time here, but this type of attitude will only cause you problems in the future. just chalk these up to bad experiences and move on... there's another bridge to cross and you want to be well enough to cross it. however, if you keep this up, and you risk alot...
i usually, even with the bad gals, will give them the cab fare to go home. i just won't take their number... they will soon learn that bad service = no business.. it's the law of supply and demand...
okay i think i"ve said enough here... again, don't take insult by this. i'm not one to criticize other people's actions. but i warn others, as i have lots of friends on this board i've met over the years... and they will know what i'm talking about.. it's not worth it. you're in a foreign country where you won't be protected the same way you are in other countries.
don't risk it. lay low, and just have fun...
happy hunting.. i'll be returning soon. looking forward to seeing all my compadres out there for some fun.
-jett
This is so unreal. Making a scene over 10 RMB in CP!! Honestly, I wonder who is at fault here for getting bad services here in CP.
Hungryguy
Bob Builder
09-24-09, 08:47
will, i read your post and must say that i disagree with your handling of the situation. i say this with all due respect and as a warning to others who try to handle the situation like this.
i've been going to cp for years now and while i understand that bad service should not be rewarded, i also think that getting into a pissing match over 10 rmb is not warranted either because of all the risks involved.
first off, you are dealing with a bbs gal. it is hit or miss in that scene.. unfortunately you get what you pay for. sometimes you find gems in the rough and sometimes there's no chemistry and you get lousy service.
it's par for the course my man, and i say this, again, with just experience in mind, nothing else.
my point to this is that the 10 is really her cab fair home. i mean she basically f'd you for 100 rmb because out of the 200 that you are paying 100 went to the mommies involved (50 to the runner and 50 to the mommy). so basically she has let you insert your xiao didi into her hole (albeit a bad experience) for a little more than $13 usd.
she wants to get back home and take a taxi which is going to cost about $1 usd (6-7 rmb) - so 10 is a nice round number that totals $1.30 usd in the current market.
over that, you have chosen to waste your precious time in cp, by arguing with her, belittling her, and putting up a big stink over 10 rmb? i mean while i agree that everyone can and should handle everything in their own way, i want you to think about the risks that are involved in your actions.
over this $1.30, there are many scenarios that can arise. she can get pissed off and grab whatever she finds, i.e. cell phone, hotel phone, camera, etc. and hurl it across the room in anger, breaking it into little pieces. now that is $1.30 vs. my $500 iphone.. worth it? no...
she can steal some stuff out of your room in anger, cuasing you additional room charges... $1.30 vs. $10-$20 for miscellaneous missing item (whatever it is, she'll do it just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off).
she can tell her boyfriends to come up with his gang and next time you're alone crack a bottle over your head in the middle of the street and run off... i know you may be a tough guy as most guys think they are, but when it's you against 5-6 guys, no matter how tough you are, they just need the element of surprise and a good swipe and you're toast. trip to emergency room = $50 usd with pain for the rest of the trip vs. $1.30 usd - worth it? no. (just ask ppp traveler about his experience... and you'll understand).
she can (depending on her influence) basically black ball you from other gals that you might otherwise have had a good time with - again, probably slight chance of this, but still - worth it? no.
she can fake a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), report you to the cops and while you have no idea of her age, maybe she is not of age yet. bail = $1,000 usd + bribes and lawyer fees, vs. $1.30 usd. worth it? no.
there are a myriad of scenarios that you have no idea can arise in this situation.
most guys know that i am never one to take bad service lying down. and i sometimes complain about it if they promised something that wasn't delivered. but look at your market... it's like you paying 25 cents for a bud light and finding out that it doesn't taste good. well, you get what you pay for right? my point being that just chalk it up to a bad lay.. move on and find another one.
i've had bad lays with ktv girls costing me 500, and even at that i have recourse to tell the mommies to get her fined for bad service (which basically would be devastating to her). however, i usually chalk it up to a bad experience and just move on.
there is plenty of good gals in cp. it's not worth it to make waves over bad ones.. they will weed themselves out. just tell your fellow mongers and make sure we stay away.. if all their girls are bad, then we will stay away from the entire store until they get better girls.
point is, don't put your own happiness and safety at risk over 10 rmb!!!! it's not worth it. i know many of you are men of principle, but you guys have enough money to blow a plane ticket to cp, a hotel room and ktv sessions, and live it up large... are you really going to risk all this fun over 10 rmb??!
please , do not take what i say as criticism or insult. just merely friendly advice... i want you to have a good time here, but this type of attitude will only cause you problems in the future. just chalk these up to bad experiences and move on... there's another bridge to cross and you want to be well enough to cross it. however, if you keep this up, and you risk alot...
i usually, even with the bad gals, will give them the cab fare to go home. i just won't take their number... they will soon learn that bad service = no business.. it's the law of supply and demand...
okay i think i"ve said enough here... again, don't take insult by this. i'm not one to criticize other people's actions. but i warn others, as i have lots of friends on this board i've met over the years... and they will know what i'm talking about.. it's not worth it. you're in a foreign country where you won't be protected the same way you are in other countries.
don't risk it. lay low, and just have fun...
happy hunting.. i'll be returning soon. looking forward to seeing all my compadres out there for some fun.
-jett
any of these things can happen but normally don't unless you have manhandled the gal cause from talking to bbs gals there are all kinds of aholes who try to rip them off and usually nothing happens to the offender.
gangs don't beat guys up unless they are getting paid or get some kind of other benefit and if they were going to do that kind of shit they do not need a reason. i have been threatened in china many times with this and unless the gal is going to let the whole gang fuck her for free, it doesn't happen. i don't see how a gal is going to see how fucking 5 guys to get her own back over rmb10 is of any benefit to her. sure there are nutters out there.
report a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) to the cops???
all this kind of shit happens in china with people who set out to scam people using these methods. not usually over a disageement of the taxi fare / tip.
i get you point, its only rmb10, now if it was over rmb100, it could cost you your life!
Pointpanic
09-24-09, 11:39
Didn't realize that you were having such a bad experience with the BBS's. Should have said something and I could have taken you around to visit the Mommies so that you could have built up a rapport with them. Learned my stuff from Santa, Bill Lee (R.I.P.) and SEAsia Joe and rarely have had even a hint of problem over the past 4 years and have certainly never paid more than 200. The key is getting along with your favorite Mommies. Most of my experiences have actually been better than many inconsistent KTV or disapopointing sauna services and that includes many Night market picks. Sorry even after many tours through the Catacombs I just couldn't handle the dirty sticky hands and bodies. My advice is to hook up with veteran BBS guys like those mentioned above or OAH, BSD or Wadman and get comfortable with the Mommies, tell them what you want and you will be fine. I hope the Liu Yang that you mentioned is not my Yang Liu as even she can help you procure good services for you from her Mommy and her friends. Hope to team up with you again some day as with your language skills and great personality we could have a great time on some Chicken Runs. By the way I'm still dreaming of the Fuhao KTV girl that you released to Rick. I still need to find her. Ha ha!
Good Will Hunting next time!
PP
Hi,
On my recent 9 days trip to CP, Kudos to BSD, I had 4 KTV sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. Great meeting all of you! Not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. I am big fan of BBS, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. I also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. Alas, BBS comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. I will recount my 3 bad experiences here................................................
Scene 3 - Called for LiuYang at about 3pm. She came over from home, as she is not working. The mummy brings her to the café downstairs as I was having my lunch. She had her lunch with me. We started out great but when it came down to business, same as above, lousy services. And my little bro cannot get up. Gave her 100 (the other 100 I have paid the mummy), and she asked for 10 more. I said no, as her service is not up on par. I decided to call the mummy. The mummy tried to talk to LiuYang, and even offer to give her the 10, but she is arrogant and said that no customer has not ever given her the 10. I clarify with the mummy that the 10 is a tips, and is not part of the deal. She started interrupting cursing loudly at me when I was talking to the mummy, and I shouted at her to shut up. Does she think that I am that easy to bully with my baby face? The mummy wants to talk to her, and LiuYang exclaim loudly to the mummy not to worry, that she will have her own way to get the extra 10 from me. Wow, what arrogances! I told her, she wants the 10, dream on, and I asked the mummy to come up to defuse the situation. In the end, the mummy offers me a discount on my next trip and I relent. I pass the 10 buck to her and ask her to ‘roll out’. She hurled abusive remarks, wanted me to apologies to her, and even challenged me to hit her. We traded some insults, and finally, she leaves. Very ugly.
For all mongers, it is good to let the mummy inform the gals that if their service is not up to mark, there will not be any 10 tips. Period. The standard of the gal manners in BBS are low. The mummy also does not do much quality control, and it is a hit and misses. But I personally came across a very well mannered Chong Qing gal. She spit her inedible meal onto a piece of tissue paper when we eat, and she will hold onto her litter, looking out for the next trash bin. She is beautiful too, and I still don’t know why I didn’t ask her out the second time. Too many choices I guess.
There is also 1 more new BBS at Yalan area, making the total BBS in that area to 6. I find the mummy at Yalan area a little more pushy than Swan Lake. As for the former Swan Lake BBS opposite Manhattan, I didn’t try this time round. The mummies there are extremely pushy during my last trip, and this cost them my business.
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Muzungufotsy
09-24-09, 11:40
This discussion remembered me a discussion I had with Dave when I was there not so long ago.
I have been mongering in other countries in SEasia and I m used to pay for 1 service I remember in Cambodia not so long ago when vietnamese girls said to you no good no money!
I never had lousy sevice in vietnamese brothels
They always provided what they said because you pay everything at the end and they want you to come back
In the BBS in CP Dave told me you pay for beauty and youth you don't pay for service don't expect BBBJ CIM anal. If the girl gives good service be happy but don't expect it. I was quite surprised by that.
When I went with Dave it was easy and I was assured of the quality of the service and wasnt disappointed because he asked for me what I was looking for.
When I was alone however it was another story and since I don't speak Chinese it was really a hit or miss no matter what the mamasan said or promised to me.
The problem is that the mummy just wants her share as soons as she got it she doesn t give a fuck what will happen in the room or what the girl promised to you. Therefore I think we should pay everything in the end to ensure better service. Is it doable? I don't know. I m not an expert of the CP scene.
I remember once in the Hui Mei BBS the mummy showed up a girl to me assuming this one will give BJ and I could see that the girl was just disgusted by this idea but the mamasan tried to force her which I really don't like
Then I choose another girl and the mummy and the girl assured me both she will provide BJ.
Once in the room the first thing the girl told me was no BJ!
At this time I m thinking what to do
If I kick her back I loose 50 yuans (the mamsan cut) and if I go back to the BBS I m not sure I will get one with a better sevice
So I ask her no problem go to shower. The girl was actually receptive and the session was ok
I gave her 100 and she left
She didn't ask for more and if she did I probably won't have given more since she didn't deliver what she promised.
If IK could speak Chinese I could have told a lot to the mummy or the girl but since I don't speak the language it s really hard to get what you pay for.
But most of you guys don't have this language barrier and still can t be sure of the service neither so I don t get it.
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Member #4144
09-24-09, 13:31
On my recent 9 days trip to CP, Kudos to BSD, I had 4 KTV sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. Great meeting all of you! Not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. I am big fan of BBS, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. I also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. Alas, BBS comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. I will recount my 3 bad experiences here.
Great info, but how about some good report on BBS girl with GFE? I have never tried them before so would be interesting to know some details on great service/overnight with BBS girls.
Fillmore
Hi,
On my recent 9 days trip to CP, Kudos to BSD, I had 4 KTV sessions, and manage to meet up with many of the other mongers. Great meeting all of you! Not a big fan of sauna or footie, thus only tried once each this time round. I am big fan of BBS, for its huge selection and cheap pricing. I also make it a point to get at least 1 gal from each house to build my rapport with the mummy. Alas, BBS comes with big disappointment too, if you are unlucky. I will recount my 3 bad experiences here.
Scene 1 - Late in the night after KTV and didn’t bring any KTV gal back. Did BBS chicken run in the day, got a handful of name-cards with gal names on it. 1 AM. Called mummy for Lulu, informed me that Lulu stayed very far away, not convenience to come over. Ok, fine. Proceed to call other mummy. Didn’t confirm anything with other mummy yet, Lulu mummy called back, said she is ok, can come over. Since Lulu is high on my selection list, proceed with her. She arrived. We chatted, but she seems cold, boring, green, prim and proper. She went to shower, came back and lay on opposite side of bed. My little bro give no hint of interest. About 30 minutes passed, I asked her to go back, and decided to pay her 100. However, she insisted that it is overnight and her cab fare to my hotel cost 40, or 80-100 two ways. Called mummy and question her why she promised Lulu that it is overnight. We monger usually try the gal ST first before deciding. Thus, it is a miscommunication. In the end, paid the gal 150 and she left. I did not even touch her.
Scene 2 - I finally understand the meaning of ‘dead fish’. GaoYan came over in the early afternoon. At first, everything seems great. She is a feisty gal, who can argue and banter with me. When it came down to business, she literally died. Not a single sound from her at all. To make matter worse, her face contour into agony when I tried to enter her. She claimed pain. Still, I managed to bonk a lifeless fish for 15 over minutes. There is not a single sound or body reaction from her for this 15 over minutes. Wow, wonder is she an expert or has a lifeless hole. Finally, my little bro gave up and decided to fall asleep. There is no way I can get it up. Ask her to bath and gave her 200. She asked for 10 more for transport. I said no, with the lousy service. She sulks and sat there, not wanting to leave. After 5 minutes, she is still there! I asked ‘what are you waiting for’? She retorted angrily and loudly that she wanted the extra 10 in abusive tone. I am not to be taken lightly with too, and I chased her out of the door, with some abusive language of my own. Ugly!
Scene 3 - Called for LiuYang at about 3pm. She came over from home, as she is not working. The mummy brings her to the café downstairs as I was having my lunch. She had her lunch with me. We started out great but when it came down to business, same as above, lousy services. And my little bro cannot get up. Gave her 100 (the other 100 I have paid the mummy), and she asked for 10 more. I said no, as her service is not up on par. I decided to call the mummy. The mummy tried to talk to LiuYang, and even offer to give her the 10, but she is arrogant and said that no customer has not ever given her the 10. I clarify with the mummy that the 10 is a tips, and is not part of the deal. She started interrupting cursing loudly at me when I was talking to the mummy, and I shouted at her to shut up. Does she think that I am that easy to bully with my baby face? The mummy wants to talk to her, and LiuYang exclaim loudly to the mummy not to worry, that she will have her own way to get the extra 10 from me. Wow, what arrogances! I told her, she wants the 10, dream on, and I asked the mummy to come up to defuse the situation. In the end, the mummy offers me a discount on my next trip and I relent. I pass the 10 buck to her and ask her to ‘roll out’. She hurled abusive remarks, wanted me to apologies to her, and even challenged me to hit her. We traded some insults, and finally, she leaves. Very ugly.
For all mongers, it is good to let the mummy inform the gals that if their service is not up to mark, there will not be any 10 tips. Period. The standard of the gal manners in BBS are low. The mummy also does not do much quality control, and it is a hit and misses. But I personally came across a very well mannered Chong Qing gal. She spit her inedible meal onto a piece of tissue paper when we eat, and she will hold onto her litter, looking out for the next trash bin. She is beautiful too, and I still don’t know why I didn’t ask her out the second time. Too many choices I guess.
There is also 1 more new BBS at Yalan area, making the total BBS in that area to 6. I find the mummy at Yalan area a little more pushy than Swan Lake. As for the former Swan Lake BBS opposite Manhattan, I didn’t try this time round. The mummies there are extremely pushy during my last trip, and this cost them my business.
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Robin Mill
09-24-09, 21:01
Will, I read your post and must say that I disagree with your handling of the situation. I say this with all due respect and as a warning to others who try to handle the situation like this.
-JettThanks for the great advices Jet! I guess I am pretty lucky that I am still in one piece. After those incidents, I am also wondering why I am putting myself at risk, and time wasting over 10 RMB. But sometimes, the small head get over the big head. Not to mention the ego thingy as well. I have a goody two shoe look, those who have met me should know. I have been con, trick, trap, bewitched many times. I have told myself that I should not take any nonsense no more. Thus, maybe this is the opportunity for me to reveal the hidden tiger in me.
I agree with Bob on the gang thingy. Unless her BF is some really big shot in the underworld, maybe life will be at risk. However, she would not be working in the BBS in the first place.
The most probable sceneries will be the smashing of stuffs in the room. Can happen easily and definitely not worth it. Thus, hide all 'smash-able' stuffs before arguing with a gal (joke).
All mongers should weigh the pros and cons before taking such drastic actions. I have learned to emphasis expectations very clearly to the mummy. No tip if no good services.
- Pointpanic
The gal is definitely not Yang Liu. I had the best commercial f for this trip with her. She is definitely a gem, but a very calculative and clever gem. The gal I release to Rick is Wen Wen. I have her number, let me know when you are visiting again and I will send you her number.
- Fillmore
I love CP over CA is because of the BBS. I am not going to write individual encounter and actions with good BBS gal, but overall, out of 10 gals, I have a great time with 2 (Get their number, contact them again), good time with 6 (1 bonk and let go), and bad time with 2. My expectations are extremely high, and I strived to seek a longer relationship than 1 bonk with every gal.
I make it a point to get to know the gal better before every bonk. For example, dinner/lunch first, or some shopping first. I usually will give an extra 100 if the time exceed 2 hour. I guess I am lucky to be blessed with the look all BBS gal love, and I usually can get them to open up to me. Thus, those that tried to play punk with me are really really bad, as I have treated them really really nice from the start.
Most BBS gals are not as charming in personalities as KTV gals. They just want to get the deal over with and go. But if you want to work your charm on them, they can be just like any KTV gal. Bring them out before bonking. Work your charm on them over food, shopping or even a chat over drinks. They would rather be with you than laze in the BBS. This is not applicable on Fri and Sat though as the mummy will rush them to come back.
You never know when you will come across a gem like Yang Liu. Ha ha.
Let me start of by saying thanks to BSD. He is a great organizer, takes care of all the details, always willing to help and a pleasant person. I felt guilty calling him at midnite asking for help and he was more than happy to help.
I have been to CP a few times mostly on short trips and never had the chance to try a KTV. Also, it was not possible to meet fellow mongers due to short nature of my trips.
Thanks to BSD I met and partied with a few of you. I enjoyed the company of each of you and it would not have been possible but for BSD. Also, thanks to each of you for putting up with KTV newbie who doesn't speak Chinese.
My prior experiences were mostly out of BBS and I guess I have been lucky in that I never had a bad experience. However, the KTV's were great. On this trip all the girls I took out of KTV's exceeded my expectations. The couple of BBS girls I tried paled by comparison.
Clipper Hotel was excellent and I liked it better than Miraton or Hui Hua and for a cheaper price too. Enjoyed the Footies at Clipper and the last one wanted to come upstairs to my room but unfortunately I had the KTV girl sleeping in the room so could not take her up on that. So it is possible to get the footie girls at Clipper.
When I stayed at Miraton or Huihua all I had to do is to walk out of the hotel and the mommys were there at all times of nite. That was not available around Clipper. I missed that but from what I learnt it seems Miraton area declined in safety.
One of the BBS girl I took was wincing in pain when I was doing her and I could not continue. So I stopped and sent her back. Since I haven't finished, I didn't think it was appropriate to tip her and she had no problems with it. Took her 100 and left after giving me a kiss on the cheek.
May be I never had problems with BBS girls so far because they can't communicate with me or my experiences were too few and I just haven't hit the bad one yet.
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bob,
most girls will not do anything drastic to you for 10 rmb. however, from what i've learned in china, anything goes here! people's lives are really not worth all that much. it's a well known fact that people who are poor and have nothing, have nothing to lose. it's also a well known fact that many, not all, working girls in cp have a "small white faced" low life boyfriend who's living off of the working girl's hardworking salary. furthermore, these boyfriends have other friends that they hang out with who also have nothing better to do than to beat up their girlfriends and harass people when bored or necessary.
so better to be safe than sorry. i think that's what jetsetter is trying to point at. you never know when one of these china people are going to go a-wall on you and snap. as it has been pointed out, sometime in recent months, a hong kong guy had his throat slashed at a convinient store in cp. his wallet and possessions were still with him at the time of his murder, nothig was stolen; therefore, indicating that his murder was deliberate and an act of revenge-probably by a working girl.
so be careful what you do. always keep a low profile and don't act too arrogant, it will come back to bite you in the ass later on. monger safetly.
any of these things can happen but normally don't unless you have manhandled the gal cause from talking to bbs gals there are all kinds of aholes who try to rip them off and usually nothing happens to the offender.
gangs don't beat guys up unless they are getting paid or get some kind of other benefit and if they were going to do that kind of shit they do not need a reason. i have been threatened in china many times with this and unless the gal is going to let the whole gang fuck her for free, it doesn't happen. i don't see how a gal is going to see how fucking 5 guys to get her own back over rmb10 is of any benefit to her. sure there are nutters out there.
report a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) to the cops???
all this kind of shit happens in china with people who set out to scam people using these methods. not usually over a disageement of the taxi fare / tip.
i get you point, its only rmb10, now if it was over rmb100, it could cost you your life!
First off, I'd like to extend a hand of thanks to BSD for his hospitality He is the man when it comes to all mongering and even non mongering activities in CP. Although I've been to CP for many years now, BSD manages to organized good groups and fun environments.
Based on recomendations from BSD, I went to the Clipper Hotel for their Sauna services. Showing up at 1 am, there was only 4 girls to choose from. I chose, number 668--Sichuan girl, 5 foot nothing, but a cute buck-teeth smile, big round eyes, smooth skin and breasts that were big enough to knock me out.
Being that it was my first time at Clipper Hotel Sauna, I was pretty impressed with the rooms, as it's pretty new in comparison to Hotel Saunas like Hui Mei and HuiHua, which are showing it's wear and tear. 668 had good service, only 2 months into this line of work. Very innocent and accomodating. Same routine- shower, BBBJ in shower, breast rub down, all the fire and ice routine and licking and sucking all over. All the positions you can imagine and more. But what was interesting was what I found out about her. Is that she's actually got an identical twin sister, who is NOT in this line of work currently. I was just thinking in my mind how great it would be to do a double fly with two identical twins. (Note: although I have previously done a threesome with two identical twins from JoJo's room back in the days, one twin was visibly fatter than the other sister, which kind of ruined my fantasy) Anyhow, I told her if her sister is consdering working with her, I'm sure that their double team match up would do great for their career.
So it ended with a great session. Talking and GFE feel afterwards, which many other saunas do NOT usually offer. Damage was 198 room and 400 tips.
If you brothers want to go, PM BSD, he's got some contacts there that can make sure you are well taken care of.
AsnDragon
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Another night comes along, and the KTV girl I got was not really up to par in taking out. So BSD helps me book another room at the Clipper for a Sauna session. Out comes only two girls out of the line up because it's prime time- Saturday at 1:30 AM. Out of the two, I pick 658, sichuan girl, with a body like the Asian version of Jennifer Love Hewitt. 658 tits obviously aren't as big as Jennifer Love Hewitt, but her body was similar as it was skinny all over, with no sign of any fat, and all of a sudden you get these two full size B breasts that are perky and firm. Face was cute, nothing spectacular, but then again you can't have everything.
To my surprise, 658 was very aggressive. While at usual saunas girls come in, introduce themselves and then tell you to sit down, they take off your shoes etc....However, much to my surprise this girl i got did not do the scripted Sauna formula. She come up to be and pushed my down onto the bed forcefully. She then kissed me and teased me a bit, moaning in these slight whispers of seduction. At this point I am really turned on. She proceeds to undress herself, but faces away from me. and unzips her clothing from behind, so that I can see her black see through uniform fall down to the middle of her buttocks, revealing her naked back side. then she slowly turns around revealing to me her tits and forces them upon my face, wanting me to suck on them. As i do my deed on her breasts, she puts my hands on her butt, signaling me to undress her. I undress her and she comes on top of me and rides me in different ways, facing me, facing away from me, legs up, down and all the way around. It was pretty amazing. All of this happened before the shower too. After wards, i popped and showered and was too tired for round two, as I had drank way too much beer before the session. I asked her to massage me for the 1/2 hour or so. Great experience. She's been working in other saunas before, so she's got full resume. Nice girl, with a cute voice, loves to moan and really makes you feel that she's INTO it, unlike other saunas, where girls just give these fake moans. Total Damage 598 RMB room plus tips.
Now, while I'm on the topic of Saunas. One thing that I learned from Jim Traveler, is that if you want good service, then just go to a Sauna. KTV girls on average are horrible in bed. They hardly every come on top of you unless you ask them. Some don't even want to come on top if you ask them. They don't go out that many times a month with customers to be experienced enough to give good service. (This is excluding the swan lake KTV or Jun Hui KTV which doubles as a BBS) But the good thing is TV girls are fresher. BBS girls have experience, but many of them can be rough. You can find a gem once in a while, but it takes sleeping with a lot of dead fish, or girls who smell like fish, to get the real good ones. And even if you can get the good ones, many of them never stay long, they either graduate into KTVs or they get "covered" by a rich guy from HK. So sauna, although they have the MOST sex and are the MOST used out of all the girl categories, still provide good overall service. They will always blow you, Ride you and f**K the crap out of you, that is a given.
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Pointpanic,
It was a pleasure to meet you on your trip to CP. I must say Will's Girl from Fuhao was mighty fine and pretty! Because I also agree with SEAJoe's code of ethics of not putting up a working girl's facial picture without her consent, I will post up a picture of a girl who looks similar to Will's girl from Fuhao, except she may not be as light in her skin tone, IMHO.
This is just to depict, why Pointpanic admires her beauty so much, even 1 week afterwards. By the way, I would imagine it to be pretty hard to find girls that pointpanic would find so memorable, considering that he's had some of the most beautiful girls that I've ever seen before.
Hope you ended your trip with a big bang!
For the guys who saw the girl, do you think this is a good representation of what she looks like?
AsnDragon
Didn't realize that you were having such a bad experience with the BBS's. Should have said something and I could have taken you around to visit the Mommies so that you could have built up a rapport with them. Learned my stuff from Santa, Bill Lee (R.I.P.) and SEAsia Joe and rarely have had even a hint of problem over the past 4 years and have certainly never paid more than 200. The key is getting along with your favorite Mommies. Most of my experiences have actually been better than many inconsistent KTV or disapopointing sauna services and that includes many Night market picks. Sorry even after many tours through the Catacombs I just couldn't handle the dirty sticky hands and bodies. My advice is to hook up with veteran BBS guys like those mentioned above or OAH, BSD or Wadman and get comfortable with the Mommies, tell them what you want and you will be fine. I hope the Liu Yang that you mentioned is not my Yang Liu as even she can help you procure good services for you from her Mommy and her friends. Hope to team up with you again some day as with your language skills and great personality we could have a great time on some Chicken Runs. By the way I'm still dreaming of the Fuhao KTV girl that you released to Rick. I still need to find her. Ha ha!
Good Will Hunting next time!
PP
PigFat,
I'm not sure where or when you got this KTV, or when you started falling in love with her. But your experiences are kind of similar to mine, and I'm curious if it's the same girl. Of course I don't love her or have any feelings for her, but she did volunteer to take a day off work, and she did wash and fold my clothes as well. All of her actions seemed to be very rare and i could see how you could fall for that.
I must say that there always comes one girl now and then who stands out from the rest. Either she bangs you really well, or she's extra nice, extra interesting, or she's got some sob-story that you hear and feel bad for her, there's always a girl once in a while who comes along where we feel a bit more for her than usual working girls. It's only natural i feel. But the thing is I agree with many brothers on this board, that CP is a unique fantasy land. It's the only place in China where the whole place revolves around mongering. Every girl you see, 9 out of 10 of them are accessible with the right price tag. Most girls in CP are out there for money and nothing more. So you end up with guys who need pussies amongst a pool of ultra talented and cunning, competitive group of girls who will use any type of skill, manipulation or technique to lure you in and drain your wallet. Thus CP becomes a perfect place for "heaven" as SEAJoe would call it. It's all just a fantasy. Each time you go into a KTV, your hotel room or even a foot massage establishment, it's all just a built your fantasy of lies.
Girls pretend to be interested and pretend to be the girl you want them to be to milk out more money out of you. There's a reason why even pozilim foot massage is always completely packed, while other foot massage places are suffering from low customer flow. It's because they select the prettiest girls, who know how to talk and praise customers so they'll keep on coming back to flirt with them. This technique is replicated in KTVs, Saunas etc...you name it! CP has the tendency to blend the lines of reality and fantasy. It's a place where you come in and you can fulfill your innermost sexual and emotional desires. Venues are created to suit your needs. And at times you get carried away and get caught off guard when a girl comes along which stands out from the rest, and you end up wanting to believe that she's actually someone special, thus setting yourself up for a trap. At times it's really not the girls that do anything spectacular, it's more of our minds wanting to believe something that's not there, something that doesn't exist.
The best way to get rid of this girl that you are so attached to, is to keep mongering more. The more mongering you do, the more you realize that a new fish is better than the last one. You end up severing your feelings for the old one and realize that all us men are alike, we want variety.
In the end, in CP, there's only two types of people:
1. One who tricks people.
2. One who gets tricked by people.
AsnDragon
Well where to start? I guess seconding what Jettsetter wrote below is as good a place as any. The trip would not have been half as fun without meeting all you blokes as well as Doctor Jim and his interesting theories.
I guess the second thing I would like to say is that I am in serious trouble. I cannot shake the girl I got quite attached to from my head. I know, I know, I know, this is probably the stupidest thing any of us could do and SEAJ's advice is still ringing in my ear "remember what these girls are", and I feel like a wanker for feeling like this, believe me, but hey we'll see what happens.
She got on the car with me and even accompanied me all the way to Zhuhai to see me off, something she didnt have to do, for two hours and then took the trip back for another two hours. And believe me Jetts if there are nuptials it will most definitely be ring free (inside joke).
Anyway KTVs!
The first KTV I went to was golden dragon flower of century (at least thats what it says in a managers biz card) in CA. I met with BigBoobMan and some of his mates and I have to say that these girls were the most fun of all of the KTVs I have been to. CA is about 40mins away from CP depending on traffic. The attitude of these girls rocked and I would recommend this one girl I had # 2=86. Pick her and she will rock the whole room and then give you great service when you take her to your hotel room. I actually got her the second time I went to CA and she was quite disappointing when we shagged at night. She asked me the next morning why I hadnt slept all night and I told her because she had been a shit lay. Then she told me that she had been a little sensitive because her period was coming up. Anyway, she went to the bathroom, I got the shits and decided to get my moneys worth. Stripped her off her towel, fucked her silly and then told her that I will now be able to sleep. She has great tits. I did hear some of these CA girls whining about having to go all the way to CP, so maybe ask them beforehand if they mind going back there and then being driven back in the morning?
Some of the KTVs I hit was the naked KTV (something to be seen to be believed), Fu Hao, Miraton, Peninsula, Virgin, Manhattan, Mayflower, PP etc, etc.
I actually had no problems at Mayflower and did not feel any of the restrictions that they place on people there but then again give me a couple of good looking girls, food and beer and I am happy. I will even put up with a terrible rendition of "My heart will go on." (some of you who were there will know what I am talking about).
All KTVs had something going for them and all were good (although the pickings at virgin and PP did not look very good. PP though it must be said we did go on a quiet night) except for the one exception below.
My worst experience was at Manhattan. I had picked two girls who were giving me great service and then halfway thru the night they asked if we could go watch a show on another floor. I said ok, as I was told it would only last for about half an hour. Well, it totally ruined the night for me at that place so much so that I just could not get my groove back at all. The girls were concerned that they had done something wrong and were a bit worried. Not even them groping my fella could turn me around. Dave is right, I cannot believe management would allow the customers to leave the room to watch such a shit and boring show. The customers only spend money when they are in their room eating and drinking so when you take them away from that they are actually losing money. I should have listened to Dave earlier and not let the girls go, but I thought Id be nice and it bit me on the arse. The night was not all lost because we made a trip to the Clipper Sauna where 328 worked her magic on me.
So the moral of the story is, dont let the girls to that shit show at the Manhattan and listen to what Dave tells you. Seriously, I dont know why any ISGer would go to CP without getting in contact with him first. He'll make your life a lot easier and more enjoyable as well by meeting the other guys as well. Now, if only he would clear his bloody PM inbox!
Now, I guess I must also say that for some of the KTVs I actually took the girl I got attached to, and I even passed up on going to a KTV in order to go for a walk in the park with her. As shameful as that is, I actually enjoyed walking with her and I did owe her that night as she had actually spent her night off (she called in sick) at a KTV with me and then in my room for no charge (except for her 100RMB fine that she had to pay her mammi and 200RMB I agreed to pay for her freaking mooncakes), still though thats like 300RMB LT which is pretty good. Also, apart from the first time, she also did not go home at 12 or 1pm after LT she actually stayed with me until about 4pm or so at no extra charge. She also washed my clothes and folded everything for me into my backpack before I left. So in my defence, I would like to say that she did go above and beyond what WGs normally do and she was great fun to hang around with and yeah I think I have fallen for her a bit.
Things have been rocky at home with the mrs for months now and I had been contemplating divorcing from her previously but this turn of events certainly puts a new spin on things.
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SE Asia Joe
09-25-09, 07:42
.... Add my 2 cents worth.
I agree with just about all that has been written about how small an amount RMB 10 - and also RMB 200 - actually is.
And that is one of the main reasons why I many times prefer going for a BBS gal rather than a KTV one. I look at mongering as a numbers game - the more you do, the better your chances of getting at least a few good ones.
Going after a KTV gal first of all takes TIME - time to drink, carouse, sing...whatever in the KTV room for the whole night - with NO guarantees that whoever you bring back is going to turn out into a dead fish, a stinky fish, a pirannha or ..... a good one (lucky lucky!!). I'd say that your chances of getting a good KTV gal is pretty even to getting a BBs gal - but, if a BBs gal is lousy, I just throw her out and get another one pronto. The investment? Less than half and hour and RMB 200 for a BBS gal vs at least RMB 800 (500 S/T fee + 300 KTV etc fee) AND at least 4 , 5 hours of my precious CP time!
Also, I do believe that MOST BBS gals are a lot less hardened (OK, OK, "experienced" some guys may like to think of her as being!) and are a lot easier to "mould" into giving you service the way you want to be serviced! MOST KTV gals only "graduate" to the KTV scene AFTER they've had at least a few months at a BBS where they could accumulate enough $$ to be able to pay into the KTV's requirement for deposit, costume fee etc etc.
But these few months makes quite alot of difference to these gals (hell, one or two days makes alot of difference actually!!) and the way they are to their clients. Some learn that by giving good, friendly etc service they not only get more $$ but also enjoy themselves better. Others, the paid sex scene is really not their cup of tea and really turn into monger eating piranhas
Just IMHO
SEAJ
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