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Jettsetter

09-25-09, 08:57

Thanks for the great advices Jet! I guess I am pretty lucky that I am still in one piece. After those incidents, I am also wondering why I am putting myself at risk, and time wasting over 10 RMB. But sometimes, the small head get over the big head. Not to mention the ego thingy as well. I have a goody two shoe look, those who have met me should know. I have been con, trick, trap, bewitched many times. I have told myself that I should not take any nonsense no more. Thus, maybe this is the opportunity for me to reveal the hidden tiger in me.

I agree with Bob on the gang thingy. Unless her BF is some really big shot in the underworld, maybe life will be at risk. However, she would not be working in the BBS in the first place.

The most probable sceneries will be the smashing of stuffs in the room. Can happen easily and definitely not worth it. Thus, hide all 'smash-able' stuffs before arguing with a gal (joke).

All mongers should weigh the pros and cons before taking such drastic actions. I have learned to emphasis expectations very clearly to the mummy. No tip if no good services.

While I agree ,the chances are small... you just honestly never know who you're dealing with. I mean some of these girls could be crazy and if they have nothing to lose but their face... some girls would just be crazy enough to pay hundreds over 10 rmb.

I completely agree, most would not... but even at 1% chance, why take that risk over 10 rmb... I mean if you're talking about being fleeced for a significant amount, then yes, hold your ground... but either way, I try to approach it with calm and reason.

Believe me, I can get as hot under the collar as the next guy. I'm not a small guy by any means... and would usually not back down from most situations, but all I'm saying is that over $1 USD, which i spend on a coke, it's really not worth my time or effort to spend 20 minutes on the phone, risk some bad situation and even deal with it .. that's all.

I mean I appreciate you standing up for yourself.. everyone should... but I would actually first say no.. and if she put a big stink, just give it to her and tell her to go calmly... I usually in these situations make the girls feel bad about their service or just calmly tell them that they actually could have gotten way more with good service.

Maybe in the end, it'll help the next guy??! but usually it is what it is... chalk it up to a bad experience and make my next phone call. I'm sure you guys have plenty of backups in that cell phone of yours...

haha... but you guys have to admit.. this hobby is hella fun... we often say "only in CP"...

good hunting.

-J

Bob Builder

09-25-09, 10:44

Bob,

Most girls will not do anything drastic to you for 10 RMB. However, from what I've learned in China, anything goes here! People's lives are really not worth all that much. It's a well known fact that people who are poor and have nothing, have nothing to lose. It's also a well known fact that many, not all, working girls in CP have a "small white faced" low life boyfriend who's living off of the working girl's hardworking salary. Furthermore, these boyfriends have other friends that they hang out with who also have nothing better to do than to beat up their girlfriends and harass people when bored or necessary.

So better to be safe than sorry. I think that's what Jetsetter is trying to point at. You never know when one of these China people are going to go a-wall on you and snap. As it has been pointed out, sometime in recent months, a Hong Kong guy had his throat slashed at a convinient store in CP. His wallet and possessions were still with him at the time of his murder, nothig was stolen; therefore, indicating that his murder was deliberate and an act of revenge-probably by a working girl.

So be careful what you do. Always keep a low profile and don't act too arrogant, it will come back to bite you in the ass later on. Monger safetly.

Thanks for the concern and I have learnt the hard way before. Everyone has to do things within their own risk profile and abilities

I think that most guys here are at a disadvantage for a start in that you are away from home turf and aren't really in a position to fuck them up worse than they could to you, so yes pay the RMB10. But what would you do if she asked for RMB500?

Sure it is easy to say that a gal will "try to do" something for RMB10 but realistically unless you are an easy target and they think they can benefit from it with not too much risk to themselves, it probably isn't going to happen, but stay safe cause you go to CP to fuck not fight.

If you think that these thugs don't need a logical reason for doing something, just going to CP and walking down the street your life is at risk since you have a wallet in your pocket with more money than is in their pocket.

I think just because you and many others got to CP for mongering, doesn't mean everyone does and to "speculate" that a guy murdered in a convenience store was the work of a pissed off working gal without knowing too much about the guy is pretty far fetched. He would have had to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) someone off in a major way not just shortchanging the taxi fare home.

Mao Dun

09-25-09, 15:42

Dear Gentlemen:

I live in Beijing, so I haven't even visited the Dongguan board (no, I'm not going to ask you where to get laid in Dongguan!). Recently I've been chatting on QQ with a Chinese husband and wife who live in Guangdong not far from Dongguan. They like to play with other husbands and wives, like a foursome. They can never find enough partners, and they are interested in "internationalizing" their sex life, so it occurred to us that there might be guys here who would like to bring their wives into the act (I just realized that's going to sound insane to some of you). They are looking for sophisticated and mature couples. I can give you their QQ if you're interested, PM me. They will cyber with you first if you want to have a look at them. Believe me, they are hot, it's like watching a porn movie. Wife is in her 20s, husband about 30, I think. If my wife was into this sort of thing, I would definitely bring her down to meet them, but alas, she's not.

Mao Dun

AsnDragon

09-26-09, 09:35

So, on a friday night, BSD takes me up to Hui Hua Sauna. They were giving BSD some crap that night for some reason, which was not very friendly. Thanks BSD for helping me out, I don't think you deserved their Crap that evening.

In any case, i didn't get a chance to pick a nice looking girl that night. But i did get her number. She was number 299. We left because the supervisor that evening was not playing nice. But number 299 is a shan dong girl. In her early 20's i would say. about 5 feet 6 inches. Very shapely body. Breasts were 36 as she had described, but no cup size was disclosed. I'm guessing a bigger B cup. But her body and face were aligned with what you could find in a flight attendant in Chinese domestic airlines. Thin, tall, long hair and very sexy. She was wearing a OL (Office Lady) costume during the line-up. I didn't get a chance to participate in a session with her, but if any bros want to go to Hui Hua, i would recommend going through BSD, who knows a better manager there at the sauna who is much better mannered than the last supervisor we got.

AsnDragon

09-26-09, 09:57

so there's talks about saunas, ktvs bbs, but not much about foot massages. well while most foot massages are "real" foot massage places-actually massaging and helping customer relax, there are "sleazy" foot massage places in cp as well. yes. cp is the land of. you can get whatever type of fantasy you want.

i came across ri he foot massage. i'm not sure if i spelled the chinese correct. but it is located in the same building as mcdonalds in haixia (? ) building, near the train station. now when you go there, try picking out all the number 8's. most of the numbers that end in 8- 88, 168, 188 etc. are the stars of the foot massage establishments. most of them will provide extra service, other than just massaging your foot. it could range from a hj to a bj or full service. it depends on the masseuse. usually they ask if you've been there before, and you need to answer yes, i have! then they start massaging in places that get most men aroused. if they see that you have a response, they proceed to asking if you want anything else other than just a massage. if you answer correctly, they then ask you to buy an extra hour and agree upon a tip. (it does vary with different masseuse on the fees and rates of tips) she proceeds to drape and cover the doors for privacy and you move forth with your "special" treatment. can't quite remember which girl i got, either 188 or something with 1 in the beginning and an 8 at the end. but she provided a thorough cbj. fees vary based on how you bargain.

SE Asia Joe

09-26-09, 10:13

Dear Gentlemen:

I live in Beijing, so I .............Mao Dun
Hey Mao Dun - sorry - but I DEFINITELY would never get my wife to even be aware of my "activities" outside. On the other hand, would this couple be open to MOI and a gal I would specifically "recruit" for the task at hand i.e. the couple, a gal I'd pay to go along and me. In fact, why don't YOU consider doing this yourself if the wife is THAT hot?

On another topic - you seem to have just posted your reports succesfully from Beijing. How did you do this?

I've just gotten back from a few days in China (in Chang Ping/Dongguan and Guangzhou) but starting from Wednesday evening China time Sept 23 and for the rest of the time till just a few hours ago, I was not able to get on ISG at all. I had in the past had only had minor problems trying to get on ISG but this past few days has definitely been different/ a real problem.

I tried various proxies, different ISP/localities and even a friend's VPN service but was just not able to access ISG. The best I managed to do was to get on the first forum page, but when I click on a specific thread, I would be thrown back out.

Sorry to ask a non-mongering question here - and I DID post the same question in the General info thread - but I think most of us who frequent these China threads would be a bit concerned about totally not being able to access ISG from China henceforth and need to figure out how to do so/at least be prepared before going back in.

I appreciate you sharing with us how you managed to get on ISG - and especially if you are using a VPN or a free proxy, to hopefully share such information. Please PMS me with such details for I'd be afraid that if you post it up here, the particular service will be inundated/get too much traffic to be of any further use!

Thanks

SEAJ

AsnDragon

09-26-09, 12:22

As BSD has mentioned before, It's a good idea to stay away from the Hui Mei BBS these days. They are rude, and service is almost non-existent. In addition, it is becoming increasingly dangerous around these area these days. However, if veteran mongers that have the stomach and experience want to know, i wanted to give some insight on some of the current stock at the BBS over there.

Warning: I want to let newbies know that this area is not for the beginners, it is very dangerous and one of the papasan, when is a bit crazy locks you into their room refusing to let you out if he's in a bad mood)

As we all know, there's 4 rooms near the hui mei BBS area. One's in Jia Mei, which i NEVER pick from because it's a pretty nasty scene, stuffing 25-30 girls into a hotel room with no ventilation, as they cannot open the windows, and are too cheap to turn on the air conditioning- resulting in a humid stink of body odor and yellow stains on the bed sheets they sweat on all day long during the scorching hot days in CP.

The other three are as follows: a Fujian mommy, who's room is right behind a makeup store, the papasan's room, and another fatter mommy, which knows who i am, but i never remember her name. She's partnered up with two sisters who look alike. Anyhow, the Fujian mommy is VERY rude. When we wanted to a business card to consider one of her girls at a later time, she yelled at us, and refused to give us her business card. When i said YELL, she really YELLED at us. It's not the first time I've gone there and usually she's in a good mood, but this time she was irate and It irrated the hell out of me. I left as a result. The papasan has a room, which has molds growing on the wall, which they use a orange bedsheet to cover up the disgusting black mold that's been infesting the area for the last 5 years or so. His stock of girls are not impressive, left as a result. But the room with the fat mommy had some good lookers. I took a cute looking hunan girl named Yan Zi. She use to work at the Hui Hua KTV. she's a cute girl, which an incredible smile and attitude. About 5 feet 3-4 inches. Has a slender body, but a nice rack to go with her body. Has those innocent looking eyes, although she's pretty experienced in bed. Showers with you, moans and knows all the areas to touch, and all the things to say to turn on a man. I have her number if you guys want to PM me.

Another girl there, name Hua Hua, is a cute girl as well, that i did a while back, many months before. She has recently come back it appears. She's a small petite girl, about 5 feet nothing. But she has fair and smooth skin. huge rack and pink nipples. But her breasts are a little on the soft side, as they part their ways in opposite polar ends when she's lying down on the bed. But her skin and cute a face makes her a good find. Hua Hua is in the same room as Yan Zi. So those seem to be the good ones amongst that room. SEAJoe know where it is as we did the same girl from that same room months earlier.

There's a reason why BSD does not recommend people to these places anymore, because this area is infested with con-arts and fake mommy runners that can kidnap and beat the crap out of you. So i warn against going to this area if you are new, or if you have less than 12 guys with you while going to these establishments. Monger with extreme caution!

AsnDragon

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HornyAsianDawg

09-26-09, 12:33

Wow, I have not posted in a while (almost 2 years) and after reading some of the poor service levels that many fellow mongerers here have had to endure, I wanted to recommend to tell you about a new place, as well as vent about a few issues of what has been bothering me about this site.

I usually don't post anymore because I get all my information first hand from another fellow mongerer who has a car and we can drive to the outer limits if Dongguan county. My opinion has been CP is over commercialized, and we have to go further away to experience good saunas and service.

Case in point, myself and a few other brothers have found a great sauna about 20 minutes north east of CP. We keep going there. The price is RMB 338 all in, a full 120 minutes, with 2 shots. The rooms are clean and they have the lovemaking chair. They easily have over 30 girls on location at any one given time, and every time we have been shown some of them as a nude show. Like all saunas, there are a wide range in terms looks of the service providers. Most of the girls are in the 6-7 range, but there are definately a few 8s there. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Because this place is so out of the way, the girls get at most 1 customer a day, sometimes none. Which means the girls are actually horny by the time you pick them, and because of this, they provide awesome service. Unlike some of the high mileage chicks in CP who just do the deed and go through the motions.

I cannot emphasize enough on the superior service of this sauna. Granted there are many saunas in this price range, however, you get what you pay for. At this location, this is the absolute bang for the buck. The girls will not stop servicing you, and actually worry about getting a bad review or fined by the manager. This is a RMB 300 sauna where the girls provide the services of a location 10 times that price.

However, in the spirit of current environment of ISG of not disclosing information, more flaunting something that I know and you don't. And not to have all you schmucks go there to ruin this new location, I will close my report here and will only respond to PMs from friends.

The Dawg

HornyAsianDawg

09-26-09, 14:08

Kazzerra

09-26-09, 15:29

AsnDragon

09-26-09, 18:10

Horny Asian dawg,

Firstly, I don't know where all this animosity is coming from. I hope that the person you are referring to is not who i think it is. But regardless, I don't know why you are spewing away at how statements made on this board are untrue?

Firstly, in regards to swan lake, I recently stayed there for a couple of weeks just last week. Yes the 9th floor is newly renovated with a flat screen TV (like the Penn). But the 7th and 8th floor rooms are very old and disgusting. I lived in them first and could not take it and moved to the 9th floor. BUT, te 9th floor is so popular that i had to stat in the 7th floor for 2 days and the 8th floor for 2 more days until i got an open room on the 9th floor. Construction is going on on the old wing, to convert it into new rooms and expand the KTV, Sauna and the foot Massage area. I lived at the 9th floor and it was very noisy during the late mornings due to construction. That is true, and the smell of the glue did permeate throughout the hotel floors. All of what was said is true about Swan Lake. So i don't see how there's any lie or a way to sway people on over to another hotel. But i still stayed at the swan lake hotel because i'm use to it. Nobody ever pressured me to change to another hotel, so that they could get kickbacks.

Miraton and Hui Hua and Virgin area is dangerous! Now I've probably been mongering in China much much longer than you have. I must tell you that if you read my previous reports, my close friend was kidnapped at the Miraton area. He was lured in by a mommy runner, and tied up and beaten. His Laptop was stolen as well as his wallet. With several hits to his head, bruises on his body until they let him go. In addition, you probably didn't know but there's a gang boss who is in charge of certain taxi territory in front of miraton as well. Near Miraton, I was once in a taxi that I waved on the streets, and when i got into the taxi, a fat scary looking guy, told me to get out of the taxi, and he told the driver to pull over because he doesn't know the "rules" of picking up passengers in his territory. Are there gangsters in the swan lake area, i'm sure there are as well, but the "commercialization" that have mentioned previously is occurring in the miraton area, and a lot of rip off artists and robbers are hanging out in that area cause people there are richer, foreigners will bigger wallets to steal. I have personally witnessed violence within that area.

Now in terms of rooms and pricing, I think Miraton and Hui Hua is overpriced. their rooms are showing wear and tear and many of them don't even have flat screen LCD TVs. But their prices are extraordinarily high in comparison to hotels in the Swan Lake Areas, which are newer in comparison and more than 30% cheaper. I think this information is a good info to know, don't you think? I see all the advantages of locating in the Swan lake area, closer to most of the BBS and the major KTVs Mayflower, Manhattan, Jiayi, Penn etc are all around that area. Throughout the years I've stayed in all hotels in CP- Miraton, Hui Hua, Walter, Hui Mei, new century, Swan Lake, Penn, Clipper, Jiayi, Zhi Xing, yue He, Jia Mei, yalan, etc...i could keep on going down the list and my favorite area to stay is still in the Swan Lake area in the very end. There are advantages to being located over there as opposed to the "commercialized" area of CP at the miraton area. But since you stated you hated the commercialization of CP, i don't understand why you would advocate for people to stay in the commercialized area of CP? Swan Lake area has been the red light district since the beginning of CP mongering history. Why not stay where there is a larger concentration of where the action is at?

Now in terms of PMing to get information, I feel that is a very legitimate thing to do. Although this is a public forum, Jackson who has spent countless bandwith, money and time to create this website should at least have members who subscribe to get certain information correct? Instead of just freeloading off of other people's hard work. In order for Jackson to continue and sustain this board, he needs subscribers to pay for the use of this board. Do you think that this it is unfair for Jackson to receive subscription fees?

In addition, certain information needs to be kept private and on the down-low and make sure it does not balloon into a media frenzy where certain hotels get shut down as a result-ie: Taiwanese baseball team coming to CP in 2006 and having a massive orgy and posting naked pictures on the net and getting new century and many other saunas to close down their saunas for a while. Or when the group of Japanese tourist in Zhu Hai had a massive orgy back in 2004 and got the whole hotel in trouble as a result, when they posted their blogs and made it too public that the government had to intervene and shut them down and punish the establishment. Certain information should be kept on the down-low, so that everyone of us brothers can still enjoy these venues without interference or potential shut down due to certain individuals not discerning what is appropriate behavior and etiquette when mongering.

Back to this "person" you are referring to, I don't see how his services are or would "jack up" the fees in the long run for his services? Do you know how many mongers there are that come up to CP each day and week? This whole Town is based on mongers coming up. Him trying to help a group of people out is not going to kill the market, he holds no monopoly on any segment of the mongering industry. He never forces you to book a room at a certain hotel ONLY or go to certain KTVs ONLY etc. I think you have it completely wrong. In fact he has helped set up KTV events in places he doesn't even like to deal with, just for the sheer convenience for mongering bros.

This person you are referring to, is just helping newbies and people who want to get together and have a good time together. I believe that I've been mongering for a long time, perhaps not as long as other veterans who's been doing this for 15-20 years, but sure I don't need "his" services, but i see inherent value in his services and from his services I have had a better time in CP as a result. Me coming along with 2-3 friends or even just only myself could not have a good time at a KTV or other venues. It's fun to connect with other members and have a great time. To do what "he" does takes experience, knowledge and being able to work the system with discipline and authority. It's almost an art form. You want to go to KTVs and get ripped off? Because if you were new or a semi new monger, you can easily be taken by KTV establishments if you don't have the necessary knowledge to navigate the system and establishment rules.

Let's not get confused and start another unnecessary board fight and waste Jackson's bandwidth. I hope that this clarifies some of your concerns Dawg. Let's all make happy and move on here. It's a board for mongering, not criticizing.

I could think of tons of places 20mins outside of CP that have some pretty good saunas. the place you talk about seems to be interesting. But i like variety, and when they only have 30 girls to choose from, that is very lacking in my definition of a good sauna. I've been to places in huangjiang, Dalang, Tangxia, Zhangmutou, Fenggang, houjie, CA and a handful of other towns in Dongguan. Each town has their small niche it appears, but variety always seems to be an issue. Unless you are mentioning the dalang place or the huangjiang place, i doubt there would be any impressive of a line up to consider.

I have heard from people that you are a cool guy. I think once you meet "that person" that you have qualms with, you will see that he's a really nice and generous guy. He has a whole lot to offer, honestly!

AsnDragon

My last post was lame huh? I gave enough

information to a really good sauna with spectacular service and excellent price, yet I don't post the name, address, location or the telephone number of the manager.

However, this location does exist and I know of a several people who are going tomorrow, just to experience this high quality of service before more and more local Chinese people and make all the girls less horny. Most of the readers of this forum are more than unlikely to have a vehicle who can take them here anyway. Other members here will likely endorse me and this location.

But I'm doing this to prove a point! This is a public forum, yet I am seeing more and more post telling of "secret" locations and requiring PMs to find out this secret. If you are unwilling to share the information, why bother to post in the first place? Maybe because some people with ulterior motives want to be PM'ed about these locations.

To make matters worst, I have recently learned that one particular member here who has been profiting off other people by posing to be a helpful member of the community and offering to take newbies around. (You know who you are). Not only is this member posting or telling things that are untrue, but he is posting because he has an ulterior motive of trying to get business to come his way.

Now I have no problems with someone who does this for a living. People who offer guided tours should be compensated for their time and effort.

Also, don't post to tell people untruths. The Swan Lake hotel does not have construction day in and day out because the 9th floor is done. At RMB 198 a night, it's brand new, with flat screens and all the English TV channels. (CNN, BBC, Nat Geo, Discovery). I don't wake up early enough to eat the "free" breakfast at the hotel where you get the kick back, so stop telling people NOT to stay other hotels. And don't tell us not to go to certain KTVs because the cop are going to shut it down, or don't go to particular BBS areas because it is dangerous.

The HuiHua and Miraton hotels/area dangerous? Please! No more so than the rest of CP. In fact, these 2 hotels are probably the 2 safest hotels in CP (and yes, rooms cost more there). The Swanlake area is much rougher than the main street of CP. Fights in Swanlake area are a regular occurrence. Yes, usually between locals, but it shows you the kind of people that hang around the area. Only the catacombs are more dangerous.

The bottom line is, this particular individual needs to STOP these tactics, as to not ruin the environment for the rest of us who don't require his services. A discussion amongst us old time members has occurred about this person and the service he provides does include inherent value for the non-Chinese or people who are new to CP. It's time to become up front about it. I don't want to take away your bread and butter, but I don't want your services in the long term to jack up the prices of all the activities in the area either as businesses having to increase prices overall to cover for your kickbacks.

-The Dawg

Jim Traveller

09-26-09, 19:12

Keeping a naked KTV's name hush hush may have some merit ahead of the National Day holidays.... keeping a regular operating Sauna under wraps is, in my view, trying a little too hard, dude.

This is not a request for you to disclose the name of this Secret Sauna, such valuable information should strictly be kept for your own enjoyment. Even if you did disclose it, I would hesitate to invest a 20-min trip to check out this hidden Shan-gri-la. Not that I don't trust our brother HornyAsianDawg...but I trust the unfailing qualities of the mighty Yuan and the human tendency to chase profits...

Rmb338 all inclusive 20 min to CP, and hardly one customer a day.... If these data are true (again, who am I to doubt His Horniness Asian Dawg), then the attendants at this Secret Sauna must be real dogs!

In a regular, functioning market, one can ask for price, service or quality - may be 2 of the 3, but not all 3 at the same time. Zhuhai prices exist because of the high volume....to say nothing about the looks department. 20 minutes from CP, at that stavation wage....why be a sauna girl? No wonder she'd be truly horny...perhaps she would have trouble offering herself for free otherwise?

There are saunas and there are saunas. Catacombs offer Rmb 30 a shot (or is that 40). I hear some old ladies operating out of some parks can relieve your urge for rmb 5 - but I am not eager to go to the park...

Perhaps, brother Horny, in your "indignation" for failing to find out about the Naked KTV, you did, shall we say, take a little liberty with the facts....?

But who may I to doubt His Horniess Asian Dawg? After all, I have never been to the Secret Sauna.... Besides, aren't we here to exchange info....whether one believes the board or not, no one owes anyone any information or explanation... no warranties are given... Trust BSD, or don't trust him if you wish...it is hardly fair to bad mouth him...

Even though I don't think much of his Horniess Asian Dawg's recent posts, the proper thing to do is simply to ignore him...but here I am, can't resist the itch to say my piece.....OK, OK, that is rather small of me... as my punishment, please, no one PM me the name and location of this Secret Sauna. My loss it will be.... but somehow, I don't regret it...

Cheers dudes.

Wow, I have not posted in a while (almost 2 years) and after reading some of the poor service levels that many fellow mongerers here have had to endure, I wanted to recommend to tell you about a new place, as well as vent about a few issues of what has been bothering me about this site.

I usually don't post anymore because I get all my information first hand from another fellow mongerer who has a car and we can drive to the outer limits if Dongguan county. My opinion has been CP is over commercialized, and we have to go further away to experience good saunas and service.

Case in point, myself and a few other brothers have found a great sauna about 20 minutes north east of CP. We keep going there. The price is RMB 338 all in, a full 120 minutes, with 2 shots. The rooms are clean and they have the lovemaking chair. They easily have over 30 girls on location at any one given time, and every time we have been shown some of them as a nude show. Like all saunas, there are a wide range in terms looks of the service providers. Most of the girls are in the 6-7 range, but there are definately a few 8s there. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Because this place is so out of the way, the girls get at most 1 customer a day, sometimes none. Which means the girls are actually horny by the time you pick them, and because of this, they provide awesome service. Unlike some of the high mileage chicks in CP who just do the deed and go through the motions.

I cannot emphasize enough on the superior service of this sauna. Granted there are many saunas in this price range, however, you get what you pay for. At this location, this is the absolute bang for the buck. The girls will not stop servicing you, and actually worry about getting a bad review or fined by the manager. This is a RMB 300 sauna where the girls provide the services of a location 10 times that price.

However, in the spirit of current environment of ISG of not disclosing information, more flaunting something that I know and you don't. And not to have all you schmucks go there to ruin this new location, I will close my report here and will only respond to PMs from friends.

The Dawg

Jettsetter

09-26-09, 20:04

My last post was lame huh? I gave enough information to a really good sauna with spectacular service and excellent price, yet I don't post the name, address, location or the telephone number of the manager.

However, this location does exist and I know of a several people who are going tomorrow, just to experience this high quality of service before more and more local Chinese people and make all the girls less horny. Most of the readers of this forum are more than unlikely to have a vehicle who can take them here anyway. Other members here will likely endorse me and this location.

But I'm doing this to prove a point! This is a public forum, yet I am seeing more and more post telling of "secret" locations and requiring PMs to find out this secret. If you are unwilling to share the information, why bother to post in the first place? Maybe because some people with ulterior motives want to be PM'ed about these locations.

To make matters worst, I have recently learned that one particular member here who has been profiting off other people by posing to be a helpful member of the community and offering to take newbies around. (You know who you are). Not only is this member posting or telling things that are untrue, but he is posting because he has an ulterior motive of trying to get business to come his way.

Now I have no problems with someone who does this for a living. People who offer guided tours should be compensated for their time and effort.

Also, don't post to tell people untruths. The Swan Lake hotel does not have construction day in and day out because the 9th floor is done. At RMB 198 a night, it's brand new, with flat screens and all the English TV channels. (CNN, BBC, Nat Geo, Discovery). I don't wake up early enough to eat the "free" breakfast at the hotel where you get the kick back, so stop telling people NOT to stay other hotels. And don't tell us not to go to certain KTVs because the cop are going to shut it down, or don't go to particular BBS areas because it is dangerous.

The HuiHua and Miraton hotels/area dangerous? Please! No more so than the rest of CP. In fact, these 2 hotels are probably the 2 safest hotels in CP (and yes, rooms cost more there). The Swanlake area is much rougher than the main street of CP. Fights in Swanlake area are a regular occurrence. Yes, usually between locals, but it shows you the kind of people that hang around the area. Only the catacombs are more dangerous.

The bottom line is, this particular individual needs to STOP these tactics, as to not ruin the environment for the rest of us who don't require his services. A discussion amongst us old time members has occurred about this person and the service he provides does include inherent value for the non-Chinese or people who are new to CP. It's time to become up front about it. I don't want to take away your bread and butter, but I don't want your services in the long term to jack up the prices of all the activities in the area either as businesses having to increase prices overall to cover for your kickbacks.

-The Dawg

Dawg, I'm really unsure of your motives behind badmouthing someone who I have seen with my own eyes truly just try to help out other folks.

I don't know who you are. You may very well be a very cool guy who would be fun to party with, but before you start mudslinging i think you need to get your facts straight first.

I'm sure there are many who can do what our fellow brother does, but we have neither the time, effort, or inclination in doing it. What our facilitator does is just that.. he facilitates. HE doesn't tack on a service charge, he doesn't make it more expensive than it otherwise would have been, and he doesn't lead us to go to places where he has more of a vested interest in.

In fact, he often and repeatedly has gone out of his way to make reservations and help us make connections with places he has no relationships with. The places that he does, he only gets small renumeration for his repeated patronage. Sort of like being a member at Costco and shopping there alot, you get a percentage back. Instead of us guys who go there only a few times and couldn't rack up enough points to make it worth it for us, he can because he lives there.

Point is, if he was ripping anybody off, I'd be the first to stand up and put a stop to it, because I could easily set up my own reservations. But what you don't understand, and since I've never met you, you haven't partaken, is the intrinsic value that a facilitator does to bring folks together.

Are you going to take the time out of your busy day to do it? day in and day out? I don't think so.

The reports that i have seen from this particular individual and others are absolutely true. Case in point, you speak of recommending certain hotels over others... I completely agree with his recommendations of some hotels because of the pricing and convenience. YOu wnt to stay at Swan Lake? by all means go ahead, but there IS a bamboo structure in front of it as we speak and it is NOT as nice as other hotels in the area in my opinion. I've visited the rooms.. they are okay ,but not as good.

Hui Mei area dangerous?? I have to say I've met first hand a guy who got slashed with a bottle in that area. I've heard stories of others who got swindled in an apartment in that area and taken for his cash. Assuming guys aren't posting tales here on the heist, I can say 100% that I've met the guy who got his head slashed by some thugs. Is it dangerous? I don't know if it's any more dangerous, but it just so happens that these events occurred in that area.

During the day it's fine. IF you take a cab to and from your hotel it's fine.. but I wouldn't wander the back alleys of Hui Mei by myself... Just lik i wouldn't wander the back alleys of Yalan by myself either...

Point is, I don't really understand your motivation for cutting someone down who is truly providing an invaluable service that nobody has stepped up to do. There is no hiding the fact that he can get some rewards from the establishments that are frequented. But why shouldn't he? Is he here to serve us??? As long as I don't get extra charges on my bill, I'm fine with it.

You have to undersatnd, when I used to come here with my buddies, I'd pay an average of 400-500 each per night partying at ktv's. Since I've enlisted the aid of our local brother... I pay an average of 200-300 per night of partying.

We have learned as a group to trim the fat. We have managers and dj's who are trained not to allow random professional drinkers in our room. DJ's who don't throw booze out when it's half finished, etc. etc... when there's a dispute, we have power of volume to help us out.

Next time I go to a ktv, can I throw around you name and get the kind of discounts that he can warrant? You have to understand the nature of business and the benefits that come with volume, in order to understand who someone can provide this service, meet a bunch of great folks and then still save us money.

In short, I'm not paid to do any of this. This is a hobby of mine. But I'm going to stand up for folks who I think are unnecessarily slandered where other folks don't have their facts straight. Point being, if you don't need help, then fine... don't use it.

What do you care if others are aided and connect because of someone else's help. What do you care if that facilitator can get renumeration off of referral business that wouldn't otherwise cost us more?

If you were paying something with cash and I said, "I can use my credit card and get miles" is that wrong? what skin is it off of your back? it's the same scenario here... this is the only way he can feasily stay in CP and do what he does to help us out.

Instead of cutting him down, you should be thanking him for keeping the lines of communication and news open.

Frankly speaking though, I really don't understand your own motivation. If you don't choose to meet up with the folks and parties he sets up, then do your own thing. I frankly don't care one way or another. All I know is that I've met a ton of great folks which I otherwise would have never met had it not been for our friend.

You can continue to party with your buddy with the car in some secret sauna... have fun...

to each his own buddy... just lay off unless you are aware of all the facts.

-J

Pig Fat

09-27-09, 02:04

Most of what I wanted to say in regards to HAD has pretty much been said by posters below.

I was in CP a couple of weeks ago and the Swan Lake Hotel did have a bamboo structure and construction trucks were coming and going every now and then. I vividly remember this because there have been a couple of times when I had made myself even more spectacularly handsome than what I am naturally for a big night out only to have to go to the Swan Lake's ATM to withdraw some money and have the dust and crap from these trucks stick to me. Luckily enough my rugged good looks were enough to still have the ladies salivating at the sight of me.

I still do not understand the point that HAD was trying to make so if someone can enlighten me then I would very much appreciate it. The one where he says he has no problem with tour guides, etc making money from people for showing them around but then he has a problem with this other person for making money for showing newbies around due to him "profiting"? I do not understand why a tour company should be "compensated for their time and effort" yet this person shouldn't??? I hung out with this person for a couple of weeks and he has never asked me for money even though he has helped me out heaps and if a newbie was to PM him for help to show him around why shouldn't he be compensated as well? Why is his time and effort not worth anything?

Which leads me to my other point which is that thanks to this person not only did I save thousands of RMB but also had a great time because he knew all the right places and spots to go to. Without this guy I probably would have spent more money for less fun. And lets not mention the foot massage girl he helped me pick up and all the SMS messages he translated for me!

Case in point, last year I went to CP with an Aussie friend of mine who didn't know all the good places and all we did was pick up some very ordinary girls from the park near the virgin hotel. It was a very disappointing stay to say the least. This time around due to hooking up with this person I had a ball to the point that I am racking up my brain to try to figure a way to move back to China permanently. I have a 3 month deadline (private joke) to make everything work!

I can't comment about unsafe areas because in all my years of living in GZ and going to CP every now and then I never felt threatened or in danger, but then again not too many guys would mess with such an awesome display of manliness such as myself when there are easier targets around.

And lastly, I do not know how this person showing newbies around ruins anything for the regulars. The assertion that businesses will put prices up due to him getting commission is, with all due respect, laughable, and shows, to me, a lack of understanding of how business works.

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BruceTea

09-27-09, 03:36

I agree with Kaz, AsnDragon, JTrvler, and Jett. All presented sentiments similar to my own and said what's to be said. Succinctly posted within hours of the calling out post. Give it a few more hours and tons more will follow. But I hope not. Let's not clog up the thread with talk of one person.

Repeat biz. If it's good and just what we want, we-as smart, worldly, and semi-financially successful men- will know it and patronize again and again. All it takes is one meeting and we are proud to call him our friend.

Costs. One concern HADawg has is rising costs. "Our friend" keeps costs down at various KTV's (I've barely been to the same KTV twice). And we mongers, we visitors, we band of brothers dictate where we want to go and how much we want to spend. "Our friend" does the leg work, the calling and arranging, and all that. Making finder's fee's a *****; "our friend" ain't one, but he makes that from the establishments. Yeah, we should be hatin' the big bosses.

He does not raise the prices of the KTVs, etc. BSDicks do that. 50 to 200 rmb tips to BBS girls, allowing Night Market girls to charge LT but leaving as early as 4 am (with tip, no less), and just showing off with Maos, when/where it's dangerous to do so. "Our friend" works overtime to prevent that.

Old time CP dawgs should be ok with a young pup doing all the work and taking care of newbies. Let the young pup handle all the newbie PMs and newbie mistakes, but MOST important, give "our pup" some respect and love cause he's out to keep costs down and prevent the BSDicks from ruining our hobby.

In all, raising questions/problems out in the open is ok, but openly suggesting ill of a person's motive can lead to unnecessary misunderstandings. PM others about it. Get to know him and those who enjoy hanging with him. We're all in this together, and we're all here to keep this place as happening for as long as we live.

Peace, y'all.

Pointpanic

09-27-09, 05:23

Been visiting CP for over 4 years, met most of the regulars and they don't come any better than the Brother that Dawg is disparaging. One shouldn't make assumptions if you haven't met up with him. I am proud to call him my friend. Point

I agree with Kaz, AsnDragon, JTrvler, and Jett. All presented sentiments similar to my own and said what's to be said. Succinctly posted within hours of the calling out post. Give it a few more hours and tons more will follow. But I hope not. Let's not clog up the thread with talk of one person.

Repeat biz. If it's good and just what we want, we-as smart, worldly, and semi-financially successful men- will know it and patronize again and again. All it takes is one meeting and we are proud to call him our friend.

Costs. One concern HADawg has is rising costs. "Our friend" keeps costs down at various KTV's (I've barely been to the same KTV twice). And we mongers, we visitors, we band of brothers dictate where we want to go and how much we want to spend. "Our friend" does the leg work, the calling and arranging, and all that. Making finder's fee's a *****; "our friend" ain't one, but he makes that from the establishments. Yeah, we should be hatin' the big bosses.

He does not raise the prices of the KTVs, etc. BSDicks do that. 50 to 200 rmb tips to BBS girls, allowing Night Market girls to charge LT but leaving as early as 4 am (with tip, no less), and just showing off with Maos, when/where it's dangerous to do so. "Our friend" works overtime to prevent that.

Old time CP dawgs should be ok with a young pup doing all the work and taking care of newbies. Let the young pup handle all the newbie PMs and newbie mistakes, but MOST important, give "our pup" some respect and love cause he's out to keep costs down and prevent the BSDicks from ruining our hobby.

In all, raising questions/problems out in the open is ok, but openly suggesting ill of a person's motive can lead to unnecessary misunderstandings. PM others about it. Get to know him and those who enjoy hanging with him. We're all in this together, and we're all here to keep this place as happening for as long as we live.

Peace, y'all.

HornyAsianDawg

09-27-09, 08:41

I have never met this gentleman, but I think you can all tell from my profile that I have been on this forum for quite a while. I am merely bringing up a concern that I have been noticing.

I have no qualms with anyone making a living this way. But he needs to be up front about it. It is clear he is trying to steer people to where he gets a kick back in terms of KTV, Hotels or BBS. But to post that Miraton is more dangerous than the Swan Lake / Clipper area? Don't you think it is the exact other way around?

That started to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. I was unable to entertain some newbies from Malaysia in CP a few weeks ago because I couldn't be there. I had another long time member help me get my friends situated, and he told me someone told him that the Swan lake was noisy and under construction. I allowed my buddy to make the call and he chose Swan Lake anyway and went against this recommendation. My friends loved it. It was priced right, did not smell of glue, and the rooms were nice and new. I always stay there now.

A great service is offered to non-Chinese and newbies, I will admit. I hear he does a good job of keeping the KTV bill reasonable and making sure everyone has a good time. But he needs to bill the ISG people directly. Also, I appreciate his opinions and advice he gives people, but don't do so with an ulterior motive. As per my case above.

The reality is I have never met this person, and probably never will, since I clearly don't need his services. But since AsnDragon has already found out I'm a cool guy, I'm sure you all can figure out who I hang out with in China. My motives for my posts was I was seeing alot of "secret" locations, and requiring PMs to find out. And also having personally been intentionally misdirected to a particular hotel, only to find out there was nothing wrong with the Swan Lake and that this tour guide got kick backs from the Clipper.

There are many cool members here on this forum, many of whom will gladly offer FREE tour services. Infamous JohnnyKon in Zhuhai for example. I meet up with him every time I'm in ZH just to chill with him. The moment money comes into question it can make the situation uncomfortable. I've said my piece, and I will close here, but I'm sure others will chime in.

-Dawg

PS. Due to the National Day, China has blocked out this site, so all the people living in China would not be able to access it even through a proxy server.

Bowerboy

09-27-09, 13:16

I just got back from my first trip to Changping. I wanted to write a report from the perspective of a Caucasian (a white guy, which is what I am). I think many of the posters on this thread may be of Asian origin and believe me if you are of Asian origin and can speak Chinese then this place is heaven on earth!! It is still really great for Caucasians too but only if you can speak Chinese or are with people that can speak Chinese. An absolutely awesome place and had an amazing time. I did not see a single other white guy while I was here for the weekend which was sort of cool.

Ok first things first. If you don’t speak Chinese then on your first time round you will find it near on impossible to come to Changping on your own, find your way around and have a good time. Bear in mind that most of the posters on this thread speak Chinese and I believe many are from Hong Kong even those with names that sound like they are not. You MUST contact Big Swinging Dave and let him arrange things for you. Really believe me on this one…I was really hesitant to meet him at first as I have never met anyone from the forum before and really didn’t know what to expect. I had this vision of some big old beer belly English guy trying to show people round but I couldn’t have been more wrong. BSD is a young, smart guy and all the people he introduced me too were really great guys too…good guys, with good jobs just enjoying themselves as we all do.

Ok so let me go through my impressions one by one. I am not going to give details of the girls or locations and costs as that information is already available in previous posts.

OVERALL OUTLAY
On your first trip I think it makes sense to just stay at the Clipper Hotel. It is a really nice hotel and the rooms are fantastic. Amazing value for 268RMB and it is right in the middle of the action. You have everything you need within a 500 meter radius or in the hotel itself. Changping is basically a Chinese version of Angeles City in Philippines. It is an absolute shitehole with nothing to do before 3pm and seemingly the main purpose for its existence is mongering (at least in the area around Clipper Hotel although admittedly I didn’t see the rest of the city). Clipper is in a street that is just one long street of say 800metres and all the BBS and Saunas are on this strip. It is very easy to find your way around but actually finding the hotel is not easy unless your driver knows exactly where it is. The street names and hotel names that people use on here don’t mean anything in reality as everything has a different name in Chinese!! This is why you really do need someone like BSD who speaks really good Chinese and looks like a local (even though he is not). Loved sitting in the window seat of the restaurant at Clipper and watching all the girls walking to work around 5 to 6pm…some absolute beauties!!

KTV
If you are on your own, white and don’t speak Chinese then forget about it, really. You won’t know where to go you won’t know the system you will pay over the odds and that is you ever get past the language barriers. If you want to do KTV then hook up with BSD and let him arrange everything. The good thing about BSD is that he is a party guy and the girls love him and he knows how to get the party going. You really need someone like this and the KTV thing was quite an experience and a shame to miss out if you are in CP. We went to a semi naked place which was really a lot of fun and there were a group or around 6 or 7 guys. The 300 girl flower street was a pretty amazing sight. I went home with a girl that one of the other guys picked (after checking with him first if it was ok) as she genuinely seemed to fancy me which is extremely unusual. She pretty much singled me out in the karaoke room and then when we got home the service was amazing and she let me cum on her face and in her mouth. She was 20 years old and beautiful. I was so surprised by this. It was like she wanted to try a white guy for the night or something.

BBS
These are not like your normal China BBS. Here you invariably have to go into an apartment or KTV looking place where the girls will be on display. Personally I liked the place opposite Manhattan Hotel that looks more like a KTV although for various reasons BSD doesn’t like that place and I must say the mommies there are very pushy which is a bit of a nuisance. In my opinion there were some very attractive girls in the BBS places but the service was terrible. This was mostly my own fault though and can’t really blame the girls. Seriously it is truly a curse in this part of the world and I wish it wasn’t so but the girls freak out when they see my cock as it is really well above average size. The first BBS girl let me try but was in pain and wanted to stop. Interestingly enough she left without requesting payment as the service was so lousy. Again I was very surprised by this and was prepared to have paid. Same thing with the second BBS girl but she gave me a blow job and let me cum on her tits so no arguments there. Beautiful girls though.

SAUNA
I only went to the Sauna at the Clipper Hotel which is where I was staying. All the girls were beautiful in my opinion and I had no problem picking girls there. I can’t remember the names or number of the girls but they are consummate pros and didn’t complain about penis size or anything like that. A very nice set up indeed and other reports give details of pricing and girl quality.

SAFETY
Ok first of all you need to scroll back through the posts back to around March of this year and read the report about the guy that was tied up and robbed in an apartment. I could easily see how that could happen here and don’t underestimate it. HOWEVER, once someone like BSD has shown you the ropes this place in my opinion is not generally as dangerous as it is made out to be on this board. You can always be tricked and intimidated in China when you are in a confined space but just walking around I don’t think there is really much danger. Of course you might pay more in taxis and so on but that is normal for anywhere in Asia. I have a feeling that as a white guy here you would be much less likely to be bound and robbed anywhere. These people are pragmatic and the hassle of robbing a white guy is much higher than robbing an Asian looking guy. Why? Not because we are bigger or stronger (we are not) but purely because of the language barrier….NO ONE here speaks English and I think they know it would be a hassle trying to get your details out of you and the language barrier would be too big. Could be wrong but I do have that distinct feeling and the guy that got robbed and wrote about it does touch on that. You must read his report and learn the lessons that he outlines in it and where he went wrong.

SUMMARY
1. Awesome place and will definitely be back
2. Would love to spend more time hanging out with the Hong Kong guys as they know how to party in these places and are great guys.
3. A wild west town for sure.
4. Not quite as dangerous as made out to be on here. But only once you have been shown the ropes.
5. Stick with the tried and tested places and you shouldn’t come to any grief.
6. If you are alone and don’t speak Chinese don’t even consider coming here without the help of someone like BSD to show you the ropes.
7. No guarantee of service in the BBS but other places have true professionals..
8. Just to be absolutely clear, BSD is a great guy and is completely straight and honest. He looks local and knows all the tricks. Consider that he is a tour guide of sorts, that this is a kind of job for him and he picks up benefits along the way. A perfect arrangement and one that I was very happy with as without him I couldn’t have had fun in this place. I will contact every time I go to Changping.

Bowerboy

09-27-09, 15:17

I wrote my original post before i even saw all this stuff about Dave...this is crazy, Dave is a great guy...i tell you Dave should be and could be charging money for the services he provides...for me as a white guy the Changping experience would be impossible without Big Swinging Dave..

It is very unfair to badmouth him in my opinion..he provides a great service and is the kind of guy who can make or break a party...he is just what you need. I really cant understand this at all....come on guys seriously it would be a huge loss for guys like me if Dave wasnt around....so what if he steers you to some places and not others...from my experience this isnt true, he will take you basically wherever you want to go but will just give his own opinions and advice to help steer you along..

Great work Dave and ignore the negative comments being posted on here..

HornyAsianDawg

09-27-09, 15:45

Mizunofan

09-27-09, 16:22

Hi,

I'm a frequent poster on that other board for Hong Kong and have even been to Changping and it's surrounding area a few times before meeting BSD.

You can verify that with my posts on the other board.

Anyways, I had a great time meeting up with BSD in Changping and although I didn't directly compensate him, I'm glad I now know that he got compensated in another way. Also, I have no hesitation recommending people to contact him when visiting Changping.

I would definitely contact him anytime I was in Changping to say Hi.

Cheers

Jettsetter

09-27-09, 17:40

Thank you for making my point. I agree that his service is useful to many non-Chinese and Newbies, and since he is charging people for it, he should charge them directly. Not through kickbacks.

At this point I am completely aware that he is getting kick backs from various locations. But don't BS me and tell me and my friends that we should not stay at Swan Lake because it is noisy, or the Miraton because it's dangerous. When actuality the Swan Lake was done and not noisy, and I know that the Swan Lake area is not any less dangerous than the main drag.

I'm annoyed since he tried to convince me and my friends to stay at a hotel he got a kick back from, when the hotel we wanted to stay at was in fact completely done with any construction. And this scenario did not just happen to me. Other people who will back me can't chime in yet since they can't get onto ISG in China.

If any of you who are completely supportive of him, do so by paying him directly. This is my point. For god sakes, give him a tip at the end of your trip for all I care. But it's time for the BS and secrets to stop.

What do you care, if someone recommends a certain hotel over another. You must know your facts. You've never met the guy and you are here criticizing him. It's easy to do, but I still don't understand why you have a such a stick up your butt about someone liking one hotel over another?? Do you work for Swan Lake or something? do you have a vested interest in it? Sounds like you do for sure...

Frankly speaking, I think Swan Lake sucks in comparison to Clipper. I'm a regular HuiHwa guy and have made the transition to Clipper because the rates are way better and the rooms are just as good. I would never sacrifice my precious vacation time for something other than something I completely liked.

While I appreciate that the 9th floor (ooh one floor)... maybe just as good and I've seen those rooms, I'd rather know that the entire hotel is available for me with good rooms, not just one stinkin floor. Also, I was just there a week and a half ago. The construction has not stopped. a big bamboo pillar still stands there...

Are you saying they've redone all the floors???! Please tell me why you're so madly in love with Swan Lake? really... maybe you need to explain your own secrets.

I also like the sauna, footie, and breakfast at Clipper. All this for a way lower rate than I was paying at HH...

Would I go back to HH? Maybe... reasons I don't... 1. Internet doesn't let me use my vonage phone (because of firewall). 2. expense (130 RMB more at HH than at Clipper).

One last thing, because i have to go... you are saying that somehow we should "stop this practice"... and you have yet to tell me what is so wrong about the practice of getting rebates or kickbacks from establishments which would charge you the same rate irrespective??

Have you read the preceding posts? If you're paying $1 for a big mac and McDonalds has told someone else that if he brings in volume business, they'll sell it for $.9 and give a $.1 rebate to the volume bringer... you as the customer don't see a difference.. it's still $1.

What do you care as the customer? Have you not understood the value that a facilitator can bring to the mix? With no added cost to us an in fact a savings that many members have repeatedly told you about, why is it that you ignore everything that's be talked of before and say the same thing over and over again?

I'm really hoping you are not this ignorant by failing to understand the other views that have been stated. Understand this... what our friend does is help save money... he is rightfully compensated for it. He is not trying to fool anybody. When asked he readily admits that he is and even lets us know how much.

Is this wrong?? like I said before... it adds no additional cost to our bill. If it did, I would frankly not be keen on doing it. So I ask again instead of providing us with more CONSPIRACY THEORY type of banter...

give us facts upon which we can understand why you are so hell bent on defaming someone who is honestly out here to help us out... Good lord... you may be the reason why guys in the future may not get help.

I'm sure you'll be ready to start making reservations for all our fellow brothers, right? how often are you in CP? daily? weekly? monthly? come on... why make waves when you haven't even met the guy or know what he's all about?

Have nothing better to do with your day?

I HAVE met our brother. I always have questioned motives and motivations and I am 100% convinced there is no "alterior motive" other than what he's fully disclosed. HE IS A TOTAL ASSET to our community and rather than disparaging him, you should be thanking him for what information he's provided.

HAD - RTFF.. hopefully you'll understand through the history of posts, just how much value (money too - i mean most have saved thousands of RMB), a person like this can bring to our community.

-J

Robin Mill

09-27-09, 18:08

Wadman

09-27-09, 18:35

Firstly, in regards to swan lake, I recently stayed there for a couple of weeks just last week. Yes the 9th floor is newly renovated with a flat screen TV (like the Penn). But the 7th and 8th floor rooms are very old and disgusting. I lived in them first and could not take it and moved to the 9th floor. BUT, te 9th floor is so popular that i had to stat in the 7th floor for 2 days and the 8th floor for 2 more days until i got an open room on the 9th floor.
The 7th and 8th floors at Swanlake hotel are still relatively new. Not as new as the 9th floor obviously, because the 9th floor is pretty much brand spanking new. Everyone was perfectly happy staying at the 7th and 8th floor, and amazed at how new and clean they were. But I guess they are "old and disgusting" now. By that logic, Clipper hotel will be old and disgusting in a couple of months. So stay at the Clipper now, but don't stay there in a few months.

Construction is going on on the old wing, to convert it into new rooms and expand the KTV, Sauna and the foot Massage area. I lived at the 9th floor and it was very noisy during the late mornings due to construction. That is true, and the smell of the glue did permeate throughout the hotel floors. All of what was said is true about Swan Lake. So i don't see how there's any lie or a way to sway people on over to another hotel. But i still stayed at the swan lake hotel because i'm use to it. Nobody ever pressured me to change to another hotel, so that they could get kickbacks.
The noise and glue smell from the construction are no longer there. If it's worth reporting that there is noise and smell (when there is), it surely is worth reporting when the noise and smell have gone. Selective reporting is a FoxNews specialty, hopefully this board doesn't degenerate into that.

Miraton and Hui Hua and Virgin area is dangerous! Now I've probably been mongering in China much much longer than you have. I must tell you that if you read my previous reports, my close friend was kidnapped at the Miraton area. He was lured in by a mommy runner, and tied up and beaten. His Laptop was stolen as well as his wallet. With several hits to his head, bruises on his body until they let him go. In addition, you probably didn't know but there's a gang boss who is in charge of certain taxi territory in front of miraton as well. Near Miraton, I was once in a taxi that I waved on the streets, and when i got into the taxi, a fat scary looking guy, told me to get out of the taxi, and he told the driver to pull over because he doesn't know the "rules" of picking up passengers in his territory. Are there gangsters in the swan lake area, i'm sure there are as well, but the "commercialization" that have mentioned previously is occurring in the miraton area, and a lot of rip off artists and robbers are hanging out in that area cause people there are richer, foreigners will bigger wallets to steal. I have personally witnessed violence within that area.
I am sure that there is crime at HuiHua/Miraton. The point is: HuiHua/Miraton area IS NOT more dangerous than Swanlake area. For every HuiHua/Miraton robbery/kidnapping story, there are 3 for the Swanlake area (The HK guy who had his throat slit... yup, Swanlake road). Look, there is crime everywhere in the world. There is crime in China. CP, as a town, has a higher crime rate than the rest of China. Swanlake area is more dangerous than HuiHua/Miraton area, just look around.

Now in terms of rooms and pricing, I think Miraton and Hui Hua is overpriced. their rooms are showing wear and tear and many of them don't even have flat screen LCD TVs. But their prices are extraordinarily high in comparison to hotels in the Swan Lake Areas, which are newer in comparison and more than 30% cheaper.
HAD has mentioned in his original post that prices are higher at HuiHua and Miraton. Not trying to mislead anyone. If you speak the language, are/look Chinese, are used to street situations, then Swanlake area is a great area. Otherwise you need to weigh price vs safety when deciding where to stay.
But if you want cheap and new(er) than surely Swanlake hotel is a better, and not Clipper.

Now in terms of PMing to get information, I feel that is a very legitimate thing to do. Although this is a public forum, Jackson who has spent countless bandwith, money and time to create this website should at least have members who subscribe to get certain information correct? Instead of just freeloading off of other people's hard work. In order for Jackson to continue and sustain this board, he needs subscribers to pay for the use of this board. Do you think that this it is unfair for Jackson to receive subscription fees?
Nobody is saying Jackson cannot make his money. While the availability of the PM function will cause some guys to subscribe, not having detailed info will turn others off. Thus reducing readers on ISG.

In addition, certain information needs to be kept private and on the down-low and make sure it does not balloon into a media frenzy where certain hotels get shut down as a result
You should agree with HAD about not posting details about his sauna then

I could think of tons of places 20mins outside of CP that have some pretty good saunas. the place you talk about seems to be interesting. But i like variety, and when they only have 30 girls to choose from, that is very lacking in my definition of a good sauna. I've been to places in huangjiang, Dalang, Tangxia, Zhangmutou, Fenggang, houjie, CA and a handful of other towns in Dongguan. Each town has their small niche it appears, but variety always seems to be an issue. Unless you are mentioning the dalang place or the huangjiang place, i doubt there would be any impressive of a line up to consider.

The girls at this sauna provide superior service, and some of the girls are genuinely horny because of the low mileage. They are not superior in looks, but aren't ugly either.

El Greco

09-27-09, 18:40

Have you read the preceding posts? If you're paying $1 for a big mac and McDonalds has told someone else that if he brings in volume business, they'll sell it for $.9 and give a $.1 rebate to the volume bringer... you as the customer don't see a difference.. it's still $1.

That's absolutely true.

Last April I had a look at Clipper hotel in order to move there. I was staying at another one at that time. I finally didn't because my wing man and I got sick. Anyway a sales manager by the name of Jane, I still have her card, quoted to me the rate to be 268 RMB.

If BSD is getting a cut, when he is making a reservation, fair enough with me and I wouldn't care less because I would pay the same amount. He is having his cut out of the hotel and not from the fellow mongers.

My two RMBs

Jim Traveller

09-27-09, 18:46

I second Jetsetter's points. For those brothers who value their own time, BSD's activities in CP provides a great deal more value than just cost savings.

If you are flying in for a few days - it is difficult to hook up with a group of people to go to KTV with. Even for someone who frequents CP, fluent in Chinese and knowns all the venues, finding a KTV buddy is not all that easy. My requirements of a KTV buddy is not all that high - someone who is not crazy, will pay his share of bill, and won't flash a camera around in the KTV room.... As someone who hardly drinks, I don't mind subsidizing heavy drinkers.... If a guy wants to ask my girl for phone number...I tolerate it. If some big boy wants to feel up my girl, I tolerate it... After all, CP gatherings are one-night stands in principle - repeats are nice but not necessary... We all have our own lives beyong CP.... Even at that casual standards, I've found it frustrating at times when I want to go to a KTV but no one else is available.

With this in mind, some CP resident who can put you in touch with other brothers is indeed invaluable. Gone are the days when one has to pre-plan a CP trip and try to match up plans with others brothers. Gone are the days when one posts " I am going to be in town for xxx, anyone else in town please PM me". As alongs as you get in touch with BSD, you can almost always be put in touch with other brothers in town. That, is in my view, the most invaluble service BSD provides to the brothers.

As to discounts, hotel recommendations and "pull" within individual KTVs - these things are just a nice bonus. If you have a few bucks...and CP is cheap...you won't really notice that much difference - in CP a fool and his money are welcomed everywhere with open arms and bare bosoms.

If cost savings are really important to you, then BSD makes more sense - by combining purchasing powers of individual brothers - volume discounts are created - BSD gets a cut.... You may or may not get a cut (depending on whether you are with heavy drinkers that night) - but you generally will not be worse off than if you had gone alone.

LA Dude

09-27-09, 19:18

I'm gonna chime in on this topic. The bottom line for this hobby is pussy and $$$. Met up with the person in question on my last trip. I saved $$$, met more hot chicks because I was shown more and different places than I had previously been, and partied with other guys in the hobby. Did he get a kick back? Did he steer me to a certain KTV or sauna? Did he have an ulterior motive? What do I care? I have more $$$ in my pocket than I otherwise would. I got to check out new places and meet more pussy. He's a pretty cool guy and merely told me what he had hooked up and left it up to me as to if I wanted to join in.

Thats the bottom line!

Wadman

09-27-09, 19:47

The reports that i have seen from this particular individual and others are absolutely true. Case in point, you speak of recommending certain hotels over others... I completely agree with his recommendations of some hotels because of the pricing and convenience. YOu wnt to stay at Swan Lake? by all means go ahead, but there IS a bamboo structure in front of it as we speak and it is NOT as nice as other hotels in the area in my opinion. I've visited the rooms.. they are okay ,but not as good.

The bamboo structure is gone from the part of the Swanlake hotels where the current rooms are. It's only in front of the new section. It shouldn't bother you at all staying at Swanlake. If you can report that bamboo is there, report that bamboo is gone too please.

Hui Mei area dangerous?? I have to say I've met first hand a guy who got slashed with a bottle in that area. I've heard stories of others who got swindled in an apartment in that area and taken for his cash. Assuming guys aren't posting tales here on the heist, I can say 100% that I've met the guy who got his head slashed by some thugs. Is it dangerous? I don't know if it's any more dangerous, but it just so happens that these events occurred in that area.

It's Huihua/Miraton vs Swanlake/Clipper area. And even then, HuiMei area itself (right outside hotel) is fine, just be careful wandering into nearby backalleys. But the same goes (and doubly so) for Clipper/Swanlake area.

Wadman

09-27-09, 19:51

Keeping a naked KTV's name hush hush may have some merit ahead of the National Day holidays.... keeping a regular operating Sauna under wraps is, in my view, trying a little too hard, dude.

Naked KTVs in CA seem to be fair game, they get mentioned by name. I guess LE will not shutdown naked KTVs in CA if they get mentioned by name, only the ones in CP.

This is not a request for you to disclose the name of this Secret Sauna, such valuable information should strictly be kept for your own enjoyment. Even if you did disclose it, I would hesitate to invest a 20-min trip to check out this hidden Shan-gri-la. Not that I don't trust our brother HornyAsianDawg...but I trust the unfailing qualities of the mighty Yuan and the human tendency to chase profits...

Rmb338 all inclusive 20 min to CP, and hardly one customer a day.... If these data are true (again, who am I to doubt His Horniness Asian Dawg), then the attendants at this Secret Sauna must be real dogs!

This nonsense that price is ALWAYS correlated to service level.

Most saunas in CP and surrounding areas charge 300 rmb for regular girls (400-500 for models). The room fee typically ranges anywhere from free to 300 rmb. High end ones like Crown Prince (HuangJiang), DiHao (DaLang), TaiHao (LongHua) charge more, but those are the exceptions.

These are hard economic times (in case you haven't noticed) so a fair number of saunas have slashed their room prices. For the 338 sauna, the girl gets 250 rmb (regular girl, models are more), the sauna/house gets 88 rmb. This place charges a low room fee because they are still relatively new. This isn't far off from the 300 rmb that regular girls get at HuiHua, Miraton, Clipper saunas. Busy saunas know the girls can make a lot of money (because they do a lot of customers), so they ding them endlessly on things like uniforms, meals (which must be purchased at sauna, at sauna prices), deposits/buy-ins, etc. Smaller, out of the way places know they can't do that, so the girl ends up with most of the 250 rmb.

Of course girls at busy saunas earn a lot more money, good ones earn 30,000 rmb (gross) and up per month. So why would a sauna girl work at a smaller, less busy sauna instead of a busy one? Because she is "a real dog", is Jim Traveller's reply. But maybe, maybe, maybe...:
1) To gross 30,000 rmb a month, a sauna girl needs to average over 1,000 rmb per day. So about 4 customers per day, every day. At a busy place, one girl told me she does 8 guys a day on a busy day. It boggles the mind. Sauna girls don't last long under these conditions. Many of them wish they could work less for less money.
2) Which is how they end up in a less busy sauna. Easy hours for the girl, good pay by Dongguan standards.
3) girls at CP saunas are spoiled by guys who don't know what they are doing. They let the sauna girls get away with not performing many services, refusing to do certain things (such as CIM), and general lousy attitudes. Just like on a highway, a maximum quickly becomes a minimum. The CP girls think they can always get away with lousy service, and that is what you will get.

Yalan BBS girls are 200 rmb for ST. Why? Because of superior looks or service? Or what the market will bear? Most BBSs in the rest of Dongguan are 100-130 rmb for ST. Go "20 minutes" outside of CP, and you just might find 100-130 rmb BBS. Heck, you don't even have to go outside CP.

BTW, there are a number of saunas in CP that charge around 350 rmb all-in, 2 shots/ full 120 minutes. But I guess you don't want to know about those either.

HornyAsianDawg

09-27-09, 20:21

For all you BSDave supporters, keep it up. Bear in mind that everything, AND I MEAN EVERYTHING, this young pup has learned, he learned through SEAsiaJoe. Everything SEAsiaJoe learned about CP and surrounding areas was from Wadman.

It's simple, several "old time" members, including myself, since I started this shitstorm, was very disappointed to see this forum get to a level of misinformation for personal gain and "secrets". This is NOT what this forum is about.

Everyone here who is ripping me a new one, none of you have been here longer than I have on this forum. The reason why I had stopped posting was because some the bullshit that was on this forum. That and I always I got the best information first hand. I assumed it would be shared by word of mouth. In fact, I'm always around when we are seeking and searching for all the new places outside of CP.

While all you guys are "grateful" to Dave for all the help he has provided you, people who don't require his services, like myself or Wadman, are NOT grateful of the misinformation that is posted either on this board or that is being relayed to us.

Yet none of you guys seems to get the point that it's not OK to be misinformed. Fine, stay at the Clipper, go to the same BBSes and KTVs that Dave gets a kick back from for all I care. I would like to thank all the people who did PM me in appreciation for seeing info from Dave requires a grain of salt.

And Wadman and I have plently of more "secret" places. I'm sure you don't want to know about them either.

Wadman

09-27-09, 20:26

Perhaps, brother Horny, in your "indignation" for failing to find out about the Naked KTV, you did, shall we say, take a little liberty with the facts....?

Don't flatter yourself, Jim. We know where the naked KTV is in CP (K...). Challenge me and I will post the full name. It's not just the naked KTV, it's just that everything seems to be "a secret" (or PM me!) now instead of being shared.

Wadman

09-27-09, 20:34

What do you care, if someone recommends a certain hotel over another. You must know your facts. You've never met the guy and you are here criticizing him. It's easy to do, but I still don't understand why you have a such a stick up your butt about someone liking one hotel over another?? Do you work for Swan Lake or something? do you have a vested interest in it? Sounds like you do for sure...

Interesting take on things... very interesting...
In your words: If you recommend a hotel over another - you (may) work for that hotel. Or have a vested interest.
Think really hard, really really hard, and then tell me who started this "hotel recommendation" business. And then, by your logic...

While I appreciate that the 9th floor (ooh one floor)... maybe just as good and I've seen those rooms, I'd rather know that the entire hotel is available for me with good rooms, not just one stinkin floor. Also, I was just there a week and a half ago. The construction has not stopped. a big bamboo pillar still stands there...

Swanlake hotel basically consists of 2 buildings. The 2 are connected at some upper floors. The bamboo is gone in front of the section where the current rooms are. It's only in front of the old section.

I also like the sauna, footie, and breakfast at Clipper. All this for a way lower rate than I was paying at HH...

"A way lower" rate than HuiHua?

Sauna at Clipper: 198 + 400 = 598 as reported by AsnDragon
Sauna at HuiHua: 568 all-in for walk-in, 538 if you book (call ahead)

Footie is just a shade under 50 rmb/hour for both.

Breakfast is included in both HuiHua and Clipper. Clipper gives you 1 breakfast per room as a standard, you get 2 if you b*tch loud enough. BSDave may very well have taken care of this already, so you don't notice the 1-2 breakfast issue.

Rooms (guest rooms) are cheaper at Clipper compared to HuiHua, that is true. The rest is pretty close (HuiHua is a bit cheaper if anything!)

One last thing, because i have to go... you are saying that somehow we should "stop this practice"... and you have yet to tell me what is so wrong about the practice of getting rebates or kickbacks from establishments which would charge you the same rate irrespective??

Have you read the preceding posts? If you're paying $1 for a big mac and McDonalds has told someone else that if he brings in volume business, they'll sell it for $.9 and give a $.1 rebate to the volume bringer... you as the customer don't see a difference.. it's still $1.

What do you care as the customer? Have you not understood the value that a facilitator can bring to the mix? With no added cost to us an in fact a savings that many members have repeatedly told you about, why is it that you ignore everything that's be talked of before and say the same thing over and over again?

And when a Wendy's opens up next door, and sells their burgers for $0.75, your volume bringer will insist that Wendy's burgers have rat poison in them. He doesn't make any money off them after all. See the problem? Some will continue to buy $1 McDonald's burger because of the lies.

Let me for the record state that I have no problem with what BSDave is doing. I have sent some business his way. IF he makes some money off it, so what? Only the sun shines for free. I can also see how newbies, especially those who don't speak Chinese, will find his service invaluable. Even those who speak Chinese and/or have been CP before may benefit from BSDave.

But please, stop the misinformation, and the "it's a secret" thing.

HornyAsianDawg

09-27-09, 20:45

Perhaps, brother Horny, in your "indignation" for failing to find out about the Naked KTV, you did, shall we say, take a little liberty with the facts....?

OH PLEASE! Now that you all know who my buddy is with the car! I'm sure some of you were honored enough to go mongering with Wadman. Don't give me that shit. Everything that everyone here knows, I know. Everything you guys DON'T know in CP and surrounding areas in DG, I know.

Clearly everyone likes secrets, so we are going to keep ours.

Member #4144

09-27-09, 22:38

If any of you who are completely supportive of him, do so by paying him directly. This is my point. For god sakes, give him a tip at the end of your trip for all I care. But it's time for the BS and secrets to stop.

I agree!! BSD helped me on my first CP trip and I would love to be able to pay him directly! I will continue to book my hotels (whichever) through him even though I don't care so much about saving money on my hotel bill since my company will pay for it, but if that is one way I can show my appreciation, so be it.

Best if each KTV event he arranged include a BSD charge of 200-300 to the total bill? This way his service will be more formlized. As it is now, his service is free so I don't feel comfortable to ask for specific and will do whatever I feel will not cause BSD more of his time.

Things don't always work out for everyone. My 1st two ktv events arranged by BSD was great, 1st time a small group, some great guys that I felt fortunate to meet. 2nd time a last minute late night solo ktv with a small room at pp that also worked out great for me. The third time though, he asked if I wanted to join a group and I thought my 1st group experience was great so I said will join a group, and that turned out to be a mistake.

Since the arrangement was rather ad hoc, I guess people will just call him up to join, things can go wrong, in this case, too many people showed up and when I entered the room, there was no space for me, had to sit on stools with my girls. Dr Jim helped asked others to move out some space for me and my girls to squeeze it, but when I was told no singing allowed, that really did it. I had very a few occasions to come down to CP and I want to sing with my girls at ktv! I had to then book another room and there was no more small room left at that hour, so I ended up playing solo in a mid size room that felt rather lonely with just a few people. I went over to the group a few times but the whole night nobody came over to my rather empty room for a sympathy visit. I blamed nobody but myself on this, as I am probably the only odd ball out there who likes to drink red wine and sing love songs with girls at a ktv. I hope I can still use BSD's service for my future visits but I would like to know before joining a group:

1. how many people, as too many people in a ktv does not work to well.
2. is singing tolerated
3. can a small room be booked for me if 1) turned out not the case.

and I will be willing to pay at least 100 to BSD for helping to avoid the situation I got myself into last time.

Fillmore

AsnDragon

09-27-09, 23:18

Wadman,

Really, I think we and everyone on this board should just try to make peace on all of these issues. I feel like this board is splitting apart due to some miscommunications. I mean we can go on and pick at what each other say in complete detail. But what would that accomplish?

But i just wanted to clarify one small detail about the hotel situation though. As i stayed there Sept 12th to Sept. 24th. So my account of the reconstruction is very recent. I was not trying to selectively report details. But I was there, on the 7th floor and the 8th floor and the 9th floor. In fact it was very noisy due to the construction next door, because I was located in Rooms near the elevator. Swan is expanding their wing next door to accommodate foot massage and KTV etc. They are building up actually. You can see this if you go to rooms 951 and look outside the window. In addition, they took out all of frontal exterior bamboos on Sept 23th to be exact. But there are still fumes of glue that permeate throughout in certain floors, this is especially true because they are expanding the 2nd and 3rd and 4th floors to accomodate a linked KTV and a linked Foot Massage wing to the other building so that both buildings can come up and enjoy the ammenties from their respective buildings. So in terms of noise and smell, I was there and that was 4 days ago. So I am speaking from personal experience. But i still suck it in and stay there because I'm use to it, perhaps other brothers are not and Clipper may be a better option for them. IMHO.

Now let's be clear. I've been in CP for a long time, and Wadman you have been to CP for even longer i'm sure. I am a frugal monger, i pay only what i should pay and I like deals. My "friend" asked me if I needed a book a hotel, i told him i already had a hotel booked, and he was perfectly fine with it, he did not sway me towards choosing Clipper at all.

Now I also must say that I am a Swan Lake hotel kind of guy. I have been staying there for a long time. Right when they opened up the new wing on the right. In fact i even stayed at the old wing to the left when other hotels around the area were not constructed yet- ie: Manhattan, Clipper, Mayflower etc. when the right wing was completely full on weekends. So i wanted to keep the record straight, I am a fan of swan lake. However, the 7th floor and 8th floor this trip and my previous trip has been very filthy. Since I ONLY live in Swan lake each time I come, I know exactly how it is deteriorating. That's why I specifically moved to the 9th floor, but it was not easy to get a 9th floor room as it's newer and nicer, similar to that of the Penn.

With to respect to Jackson once again, although a lack of information would turn potential subscribers off, if all information were displayed on the board, then what need would there be to subscribe to ISG? How else would Jackson earn his subscription fees?

Wadman, I know you are a veteran of the trade. Along with other guys on the board as well, I really hope that we can put this all behind us. I can vouch for our friend that when i asked to book for KTV at hotels that are well known to not give any good kickbacks, he still did it for me cause he wanted to help brothers get together to have a good time. We all know which hotels have better kickbacks than others and the percentages as well. But he still helps us book regardless of the situation.

I personally have not been secret about my reports. If you read my reports, I have tried to help fellow brothers know about different venues throughout CP and other areas that I have been to, even CA and other places in Dongguan area. Our friend has not been "secretive" about anything except for that Naked KTV, which you also agree that naked KTVs in CP could potentially get shut down because stipping in a KTV is not as acceptable in CP as it is in CA. Correct? So I don't see that there is much problem in concealing the identity to that KTV. Are we all in agreement on this issue?

Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want to do. There will be people who need my friend's service and there are people like you whom are veterans who don't need his services. I just hope that we can put this all behind us and move on with things. This board is suppose to be about posting experiences and recon work and just mongering brothers coming together to have a good time, sharing experiences and stories about their conquests in this hobby. My friend doing whatever he does, doesn't hurt anyone right? Listen i've been reading your posts for a long time and I'm sure you and H.A.D. are all cool people. But, my friend is also cool too and I hope that we can all just get along. Let's just make peace and not waste anymore of Jackson's bandwidth.

AsnDragon

The 7th and 8th floors at Swanlake hotel are still relatively new. Not as new as the 9th floor obviously, because the 9th floor is pretty much brand spanking new. Everyone was perfectly happy staying at the 7th and 8th floor, and amazed at how new and clean they were. But I guess they are "old and disgusting" now. By that logic, Clipper hotel will be old and disgusting in a couple of months. So stay at the Clipper now, but don't stay there in a few months.

The noise and glue smell from the construction are no longer there. If it's worth reporting that there is noise and smell (when there is), it surely is worth reporting when the noise and smell have gone. Selective reporting is a FoxNews specialty, hopefully this board doesn't degenerate into that.

I am sure that there is crime at HuiHua/Miraton. The point is: HuiHua/Miraton area IS NOT more dangerous than Swanlake area. For every HuiHua/Miraton robbery/kidnapping story, there are 3 for the Swanlake area (The HK guy who had his throat slit... yup, Swanlake road). Look, there is crime everywhere in the world. There is crime in China. CP, as a town, has a higher crime rate than the rest of China. Swanlake area is more dangerous than HuiHua/Miraton area, just look around.

HAD has mentioned in his original post that prices are higher at HuiHua and Miraton. Not trying to mislead anyone. If you speak the language, are/look Chinese, are used to street situations, then Swanlake area is a great area. Otherwise you need to weigh price vs safety when deciding where to stay.
But if you want cheap and new(er) than surely Swanlake hotel is a better, and not Clipper.

Nobody is saying Jackson cannot make his money. While the availability of the PM function will cause some guys to subscribe, not having detailed info will turn others off. Thus reducing readers on ISG.

You should agree with HAD about not posting details about his sauna then

The girls at this sauna provide superior service, and some of the girls are genuinely horny because of the low mileage. They are not superior in looks, but aren't ugly either.

Kazzerra

09-27-09, 23:56

Oh guys,

Be a little more open minded. Who cares if Dave earns some money, who cares which info is more accurate, who cares who learned from who, who cares where is that secret naked ktv. All what I care is the final result, did I have a good evening with everybody and the most important part is, did I have a good girl for the night.

Pig Fat

09-28-09, 00:41

Sauna at Clipper: 198 + 400 = 598 as reported by AsnDragon
Sauna at HuiHua: 568 all-in for walk-in, 538 if you book (call ahead)This is not entirely true, however, I will not accuse you of deliberate misinformation as I am just too classy for that given that I don't know you personally.

Some girls at the Clipper will charge 400 but most (the ones in the yellow dress) charge 300. IMO the 300 girls are just as good looking and their service is on a par with the 400 girls. Anyway that would bring the sauna price down by 100.

What is the argument here anyway? That a couple of old timers are worried that prices will jump up? I think that that is quite naive if anyone thought so.

Is someone resenting the fact that BSD wants to keep certain things "private" and via PM? If that is the case why not just PM BSD and ask him what his reasons are for doing so, rather than whining about it here? Seriously how hard is it to send a PM and ask "hey man, why do you want to keep certain things private?" If you are happy with his reply then great, if you are not satisfied then really at the end of the day no one is stopping anyone from posting any info they deem fit on here. It's not the end of the world.

Are people upset that BSD is "misinforming"? I don't know what the misinformation is, and I feel that people are gonna have to do better than whine about a bamboo structure that may or not be there at the time of writing. The sauna and the hotel room is cheaper at clipper than huihua and the footie and breakfast may be the same. Also, the clipper is closer to the action than Huihua is, so given that info I, personally, would stay at Clipper.

I have actually gone and "done the rounds" with Dave when he went to pick up his "kickbacks" and I think I can safely say that most of you make more in one week than what he makes from these "kickbacks" in a month. Yep! He is certainly living the high life thanks to dumb unsuspecting newbies [/sarcasm]

So I do not understand where the aggro is coming from. Is it some kind of jealousy of what Dave is doing? Is there, in return, an ulterior motive from those accusing Dave of having ulterior motives? Lets all tune in tomorrow to find out! (Seriously, who gives a rats @rse?!?!)

This reminds me of high school. FFS! Most of you are old (or at least older than me). Grow the hell up!

OldAsiaHand

09-28-09, 04:04

Gentlemen,

I just want to add my 2 fen to this dialogue about BSD.

IMHO, Dave provides an invaluable service in CP. Some of us need his service and others don't. It is our choice if want to use it. He is not forcing anybody. It is as simple as that.

I have been mongering in CP for years. I had my bachelor party there in 1996. Obviously, I know my way around. I know the manager at the Clipper very well. But, I still ask Dave to book the hotel for me and my mates. Why? Because he is a really nice guy and I want to help him out. The rate is the same so what difference does it make? If you book the room through a travel agent, they will get a commission. But, the travel agent will not provide all the personal services that Dave does e.g. take you on the chicken run, organize KTV parties, provide transportation, hook you up with other mongering buddies, etc. And, he makes sure that you do not get ripped off. Let's face it, CP is not the safest place to monger alone especially for newbies. And, mongering alone is less fun anyway.

I will admit that Dave may recommend certain places over others. Again, it is your choice to follow his advice or not. On the other hand, his relationships with those establishments ensure that you will have a good time and get value for your money. He is always there to make sure of that. So what if he makes a few bucks on the deal. You pay the same or, in many cases, less than if you went on your own. And, you probably would not go on your own, especially to KTV.

I think that some members of this forum believe that Dave's services should be pro bono since many of us do the same for nothing. I used to book the Miraton for ISG members until I got so many PM requests it was ridiculous. Now, I just turn any requests over to Dave. I am happy to show guys around myself if I am available and I get the same treatment in other countries I travel to when ISG members are available. The difference is that Dave is always available in CP. And, he looks after my buddies in CP when I cannot be there.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe

09-28-09, 05:31

for all you bsdave supporters, keep it up. bear in mind that everything, and i mean everything, this young pup has learned, he learned through seasiajoe. everything seasiajoe learned about cp and surrounding areas was from wadman.
ahhhh…. i see. so it’s an ego thing huh? the notion that everything i know is learned through our friend wadman is laughable at best and definitely not deserving of any retort. on the other hand, your statement that everything that dave knows is from me does deserve a reply.

i had not wanted to get into the fray as most guys do know that i do give advice to dave – and many, many discussions on ethics, honesty and good business practices. but that you have now specifically mentioned me, i have no choice but to do so. and as far as you had, being referred to as being “cool” – yes – that was also i who interjected (after finding out a lot of things about you) - as i never wanted to get this discussion into the volume of shrill it has now reached.

first of all, i agree 100% with everything that has been said the past few pages (of course with the exception of your and wadman’s statements!) i also subscribe to oah’s suggestion for peace and for all of us here not to get into a flaming war or get into personalities – and as such i apologize for my statement that it’s an ego thing.

and if it’s not an ego thing – then what is you true motivation for wanting to trash dave? do you care to explain? now, there had been discussions with various parties prior to even dave starting his service and as such, many business models was debated and decided upon.

if you and/or somebody and/or anybody (“you” – a term which i will use loosely and strictly for easy typing) want to start a similar/competing business, that is of course fine – but i would strongly suggest that one does not build up business by bad-mouthing the competition. you should concentrate on just first building up your own business

you may want to run a business with all the bells and jingles,design hi-fallutin, hi-expense first class packages, insist on high fees, charges (hidden as well as transparent) etc for all those newbies/non-chinese speakers/one time charlies (what’s the term used? suckers?) who has not much choices if they want to enjoy cp, **dave wants to build a long term business based upon ethical practices, good referrals from satisfied – and un-cheated – customers – and at the same time be able to rest easily at night.

you may want to transport rmb 100 or 130 wg’s from cp’s surrounds and charge “higher” to your clients, **dave will not be a pimp and will not have anything to do with selling girls or be involved directly with prostitution.

you may want to get into any and all things that make money in this line, **dave insists only on receiving fees, commissions, and remuneration which are legal, ethical and normal in the course of this business line. commissions paid from ktv’s, hotels, other travel agents etc are normal, ethical and definitely legal/booked into the accounts of these businesses as valid expenses.

you may think that all it takes is “to know” the various operators, mommies, venues etc as a customer and you can get into business, well the fact of the matter is that it‘s 2 completely different things being a customer to actually doing business in this field. **dave not only take pains to really know the suppliers, the components of the services, the true value of such and only then sets his rules to them to ensure that what we, his clients get, are superior services at the best price. he takes copious notes, negotiate days on end to get the best deals, try out most things himself first, go back and refine his requirements – and only then offer the service/venue to his clients.
everything dave knows is from me? no, my young friend, not at all, not even close!

you may want to bloat up all costs to get a larger percentage cut, kickbacks and other nefarious arrangements you arrange ** dave insists on keeping all costs to the bare minimum for he tells me that this is what his clients want and what he expects of himself. and the proof is in the tasting – i.e. just about everybody’s ktv bills has gone down anytime dave organizes such, any service/venue dave recommends, nobody can get a cheaper price etc.
i’ve even already suggested many times to dave that he should tack on a couple hundred or so rmb’s to the bill at the end of a ktv night and mark it “dave” alongside the charge for the dj’s (who makes more than dave does each evening!) – but he’s not been doing this and tells me that he will not do so unless/until guys in his party – unprompted and independently - actually tells him to do so then. that – is the kind of ethical business man that dave is.

i can go on and on, point by point, to refute any and all contentions you make (and will do so if you continue this barrage of misinformation and disparaging of dave’s character and moral fiber), but i will refrain from now doing so.

i will instead make the same appeal that oah made earlier for peace to reign on this board. you’ve made more than your fair share of points and others has already refuted all your “silly young pup yelping after the big dogs who’s leading the pack” points. dave is not the kind of ogre that you - had - is trying to portray him as being; he is an honest, very hard-working and ethical gentleman – and i am quite sure that you will also realize this if you do ever decide to meet him to bury the hatchet; after all, he’s not said a peep here and he’s never lashed back at you, so i figure that you’d not have any reason not to meet up with him. ok??!!

so let peace prevail and let bygones be bygones? ok?? and of course drinks on me the next time for one and all.

seaj

Pointpanic

09-28-09, 08:37

i recall having dinner with joe, wadman and bsd kitbitzing as to how to help dave get started in cp so he could live there comfortably. we were all friends and while this discussion has provided alot of good info for this board i would hate to lose any of my trustworthy friends as a result. i have even ridden in the "car" to look for a special purpose sauna which i count as one of my more interesting experiences in cp thanks to my good friend wadman. at the same time i remember a year ago when jett, joe and i looked for a half naked ktv successfully with joe leading the charge before we found the naked ktv. all of these guys helped me recover a lost jacket and a cell phone that fell in a taxi on different occasions. point is we have all helped one another and i would like to see it stay this way. peace out!

point

oh, will robin please give bsd wen wen's cell no. thxs!

ahhhh…. i see. so it’s an ego thing huh? the notion that everything i know is learned through our friend wadman is laughable at best and definitely not deserving of any retort. on the other hand, your statement that everything that dave knows is from me does deserve a reply.

i had not wanted to get into the fray as most guys do know that i do give advice to dave – and many, many discussions on ethics, honesty and good business practices. but that you have now specifically mentioned me, i have no choice but to do so. and as far as you had, being referred to as being “cool” – yes – that was also i who interjected (after finding out a lot of things about you) - as i never wanted to get this discussion into the volume of shrill it has now reached.

first of all, i agree 100% with everything that has been said the past few pages (of course with the exception of your and wadman’s statements!) i also subscribe to oah’s suggestion for peace and for all of us here not to get into a flaming war or get into personalities – and as such i apologize for my statement that it’s an ego thing.

and if it’s not an ego thing – then what is you true motivation for wanting to trash dave? do you care to explain? now, there had been discussions with various parties prior to even dave starting his service and as such, many business models was debated and decided upon.

if you and/or somebody and/or anybody (“you” – a term which i will use loosely and strictly for easy typing) want to start a similar/competing business, that is of course fine – but i would strongly suggest that one does not build up business by bad-mouthing the competition. you should concentrate on just first building up your own business

you may want to run a business with all the bells and jingles,design hi-fallutin, hi-expense first class packages, insist on high fees, charges (hidden as well as transparent) etc for all those newbies/non-chinese speakers/one time charlies (what’s the term used? suckers?) who has not much choices if they want to enjoy cp, **dave wants to build a long term business based upon ethical practices, good referrals from satisfied – and un-cheated – customers – and at the same time be able to rest easily at night.

you may want to transport rmb 100 or 130 wg’s from cp’s surrounds and charge “higher” to your clients, **dave will not be a pimp and will not have anything to do with selling girls or be involved directly with prostitution.

you may want to get into any and all things that make money in this line, **dave insists only on receiving fees, commissions, and remuneration which are legal, ethical and normal in the course of this business line. commissions paid from ktv’s, hotels, other travel agents etc are normal, ethical and definitely legal/booked into the accounts of these businesses as valid expenses.

you may think that all it takes is “to know” the various operators, mommies, venues etc as a customer and you can get into business, well the fact of the matter is that it‘s 2 completely different things being a customer to actually doing business in this field. **dave not only take pains to really know the suppliers, the components of the services, the true value of such and only then sets his rules to them to ensure that what we, his clients get, are superior services at the best price. he takes copious notes, negotiate days on end to get the best deals, try out most things himself first, go back and refine his requirements – and only then offer the service/venue to his clients.
everything dave knows is from me? no, my young friend, not at all, not even close!

you may want to bloat up all costs to get a larger percentage cut, kickbacks and other nefarious arrangements you arrange ** dave insists on keeping all costs to the bare minimum for he tells me that this is what his clients want and what he expects of himself. and the proof is in the tasting – i.e. just about everybody’s ktv bills has gone down anytime dave organizes such, any service/venue dave recommends, nobody can get a cheaper price etc.
i’ve even already suggested many times to dave that he should tack on a couple hundred or so rmb’s to the bill at the end of a ktv night and mark it “dave” alongside the charge for the dj’s (who makes more than dave does each evening!) – but he’s not been doing this and tells me that he will not do so unless/until guys in his party – unprompted and independently - actually tells him to do so then. that – is the kind of ethical business man that dave is.

i can go on and on, point by point, to refute any and all contentions you make (and will do so if you continue this barrage of misinformation and disparaging of dave’s character and moral fiber), but i will refrain from now doing so.

i will instead make the same appeal that oah made earlier for peace to reign on this board. you’ve made more than your fair share of points and others has already refuted all your “silly young pup yelping after the big dogs who’s leading the pack” points. dave is not the kind of ogre that you - had - is trying to portray him as being; he is an honest, very hard-working and ethical gentleman – and i am quite sure that you will also realize this if you do ever decide to meet him to bury the hatchet; after all, he’s not said a peep here and he’s never lashed back at you, so i figure that you’d not have any reason not to meet up with him. ok??!!

so let peace prevail and let bygones be bygones? ok?? and of course drinks on me the next time for one and all.

seaj

Pointpanic

09-28-09, 08:48

Thanks for the compliment. You're a good man.

Point

Pointpanic,

It was a pleasure to meet you on your trip to CP. I must say Will's Girl from Fuhao was mighty fine and pretty! Because I also agree with SEAJoe's code of ethics of not putting up a working girl's facial picture without her consent, I will post up a picture of a girl who looks similar to Will's girl from Fuhao, except she may not be as light in her skin tone, IMHO.

This is just to depict, why Pointpanic admires her beauty so much, even 1 week afterwards. By the way, I would imagine it to be pretty hard to find girls that pointpanic would find so memorable, considering that he's had some of the most beautiful girls that I've ever seen before.

Hope you ended your trip with a big bang!

For the guys who saw the girl, do you think this is a good representation of what she looks like?

AsnDragon

AsnDragon

09-28-09, 08:53

Point,

No problem! After looking at the pictures in your camera, i found it amazing! perhaps you could post up the girl from Beijing to lighten up the mood on the board, (She is not a working girl by the way) i found her to be incredibly cute! great job on that!

AsnDragon

Thanks for the compliment. You're a good man.

Point

Bob Builder

09-28-09, 09:06

When he partys does he pick up a portion of the bill or is he like a Mike Tyson entourage hanger on and eats for free?

So far, I have not seen a bad word written on the guy from "anyone who actually uses him". So he takes people to his regular joints, but these guys wouldn't know any better anyway? if they did, they could go somewhere else.

I had a slightly different case where I beat up a guy got him to pay me back money as he was getting kickbacks from a KTV that I introduced him to and he got too greedy. The mommy blabbed on him as he wanted kickbacks and tried asking the mommy for free beer and taxi money. Thing is that particular mongering crew who I hung out with were his friends and colleagues, were missing out on getting freebies comped by the managers as they were paying this guy. Do I blame the mommy? No, cause they are not your friends, you are just customers to them. This particular mommy was doing about RMB200,000 per month business for the KTV in her prime so 10%
is nothing to be sneezed at. Always was suspcious of why this guy always wanted to take the lead and go to certain places. I originally was going to tell all his buddies at the end of a KTV session one night and get them all walk out leaving him with to settle the whole bill.

Heard some Hong Kong guys talking on the train recently about them being offered commission for taking friends / customers to KTV in China by managers / mommies so it's common. Morally I don't think you should do it with real friends and if it is offered and you take it you should use it to settle some of the bill or pay for dinner.

Hate Dave anyway as he is like a lesbian, more competition for pussy, LOL! Do you really need more mongers in overcrowded CP without someone promoting it to newbies?

Just remembered, I better book a room at the "naked KTV" which is a secret to ISG members that every single HK monger knows about for the National Holiday weekend before they are all gone.

Chang Ping

09-28-09, 09:35

Hey anybody wanna read the FR and see the pic of the nympho who went 10 rounds with me at CA which included CIMs and GFE?

. Lets get back to regular programming guys. We are all friends now and can chalk this up to misinformation that can just as easily get clarified in a CIVIL manner. And if there is still disagreement. What the heck!

Our single common purpose is the pursuit of HAPPINESS (read Carnal pleasure for most of us). Thats why we came here. No?

Maxkwalat

09-28-09, 09:48

I have been a member here for a while and don't post often since I rarely get the opportunity to go to China to monger. I do recall vividly my time in CP with SEAjoe, Wadman and others and all I could say is that I had one of the most memorable experiences. I also love reading others adventures and enjoy living vicariously through the members experiences and look forward to my next CP trip. My point is, lately there has been MANY pages of arguments that has little to do with girls and more so on a member of ISG. Hopefully, things can revert to normal and I can once again enjoy the many wonderful tales of CP girls. Just a sincere plead from a lowly ranked ISG fan/member.

AsnDragon

09-28-09, 10:31

Bob,

There were times in your report where I didn't understand your English. Perhaps some missing commas here and there.

Did you really beat up a guy and make him pay you back?

In addition, I got lost in your story.

- So what you are saying is that the guy was getting kickbacks and not telling you about it?

-And then the Mommy was annoyed that this guy was trying to get kickbacks and she blew the whistle on this guy?

-What does the 200, 000 a month the mommy is doing have to do with 10%? You mean the 10% is how much you spent on KTV bills, and so your business is not worth much to her total amount of 200, 000 a month?

I don't quite understand what you are trying to get at. Are you voicing the dissatisfaction of not being able to enjoy some of the kickbacks that this guy enjoyed, so you are issuing a threat to those who try to gain kickbacks from booking a KTV event?

Moreover, You stated that you "hate Dave, because he is like a lesbian who is more competition for pussy" What does this even mean? Did you think about what you wrote before you wrote it? If he was a lesbian, how would that be competition for your pussy? The last I remember, CP WG mostly, and I mean like 99%, service only Men, not females. So how would a lesbian be competition for you getting your pussy? That statement would only be true if you were a female lesbian who likes females, and you feel that another lesbian would be on equal competition of you being able to grab your WG who services females, which is rare in CP. Therefore, I don't quite understand the logic of that statement.

In addition, yes those naked KTVs are already on a HK website. Where they name the places that have naked KTV, and also the new and star girls at their establishment as well. I've seen that website as well. If people were resourceful, they could find out on their own which KTV to go to, without "his" help, but I would imagine that most HK mongers don't use ISG, most HK mongers use their own website starting with a 1 and ending with a 1 for most of their information, along with another 2-3 other well known websites in HK. However, for people whom are not from HK they would less likely to know about these places. Thus, Dave's services are invaluable to the newbies or the less resourceful individuals.

Is CP overcrowded? At this point in time, it's not that overcrowded. If you asked me this question in 2006 and early parts of 2007, then my answer would simply be, YES! However, since CP is a mongering town, whose economy is based on mongers coming in, then it would be a good thing to make sure that there are adequate mongers coming in so that CP can maintain it's good supply of WG. Right now as we speak, many girls are leaving CP because they don't have enough business. I do not condone mongers to overtip or go crazy on giving girls extras as this will ruin the general market price. So long as people maintain the current pricing, then the market price should be ok.

So Bob, do you know dave personally? It's hard to imagine people not liking him, as I personally thought he was a nice guy-very accommodating.

I thought that after OAH came in, along with many other senior members, that people would start to make peace again.

Let's not break the peace and truce please.

I'm not going to flame back at you, in fear that you will beat me up and make me pay you back a 3% kickback (which equates to about 60-90 RMB depending on your total KTV bill, which if you divide it into 6-7 guys is like 10RMB to 15 RMB per person) like the guy you beat up in your previous post.

I didn't know that 60-90 RMB (about the cost of 2 plates of fried rice at a KTV) was reason enough to beat up a guy. Damn, I've never met you before, but I don't think people would want to hang out with you.

AsnDragon

When he partys does he pick up a portion of the bill or is he like a Mike Tyson entourage hanger on and eats for free?

So far, I have not seen a bad word written on the guy from "anyone who actually uses him". So he takes people to his regular joints, but these guys wouldn't know any better anyway? if they did, they could go somewhere else.

I had a slightly different case where I beat up a guy got him to pay me back money as he was getting kickbacks from a KTV that I introduced him to and he got too greedy. The mommy blabbed on him as he wanted kickbacks and tried asking the mommy for free beer and taxi money. Thing is that particular mongering crew who I hung out with were his friends and colleagues, were missing out on getting freebies comped by the managers as they were paying this guy. Do I blame the mommy? No, cause they are not your friends, you are just customers to them. This particular mommy was doing about RMB200,000 per month business for the KTV in her prime so 10% is nothing to be sneezed at. Always was suspcious of why this guy always wanted to take the lead and go to certain places. I originally was going to tell all his buddies at the end of a KTV session one night and get them all walk out leaving him with to settle the whole bill.

Heard some Hong Kong guys talking on the train recently about them being offered commission for taking friends / customers to KTV in China by managers / mommies so it's common. Morally I don't think you should do it with real friends and if it is offered and you take it you should use it to settle some of the bill or pay for dinner.

Hate Dave anyway as he is like a lesbian, more competition for pussy, LOL! Do you really need more mongers in overcrowded CP without someone promoting it to newbies?

Just remembered, I better book a room at the "naked KTV" which is a secret to ISG members that every single HK monger knows about for the National Holiday weekend before they are all gone.

Wilde

09-28-09, 11:59

FYI, Dave hardly ever drank when we partied.

If Dave can manage to put together a party every night for all those that he meets and gets along with, keep the "professional drinkers" out of the KTV room, set rules for the mommies and girls, get certain discounts that I am too lazy to bargain for myself, then I don't mind picking up his tab and more. If he gets comp'ed, then all the more power to him because I certainly did not see my bills getting grossly inflated at the end of the day. To me, he offers value and he has the up to date knowledge of CP. To others who don't speak the language, lack knowledge of China, I am sure he offers even more value.

Unless you (intend to) make a living the way Dave does, I hardly see any reason why you should get annoyed by him.

SE Asia Joe

09-28-09, 13:53

Wadman have already contacted BS Dave and I, and as adults, we have decided that we should just ALL put a stop to all this discussions and rancour. After all, we all have had more than our fair share of Jackson's bandwidth to put forward our own points of view and it would really just be beating a dead horse to continue.

We each have our own opinions and amongst friends it's alright to have differing ones... and to just leave it at that.

So back to...YES YES YES....let's all get back to the purpose of this board.... Mongering!!

Keep mongering, keep safe and stay happy guys!!

SEAJ

Bob Builder

09-28-09, 14:04

From what I have seen he only seems to have 1 detractor and a lot of guys have jumped in to defend.

BruceTea

09-28-09, 14:39

Well, four more days until OCTOBER 1st!

This is what it's all about. No secrets here. It's celebration time all over China, and they're gonna show the world how prosperous the gov't is.

Any news reports over at CP, SZ, ZH, or GZ in terms of LE?

Hush Hush, be good, secret knocks, and of course, firewalling info in and out.

Are the lights off all over?

Turtlehead

09-28-09, 15:08

I met Dave a few months back. I think he's a good guy, perhaps trying to make a few "just a few bucks" to stay in CP. Nothing wrong with that. Call him and you get it straight up. The cost for the night, the place, the general expectations and some alright guys to hang out with. So far.

Using Dave and not using him is your own choice.

I have a number of people I hang out with in CP.

One group goes to Peninsula and 5 guys rack up a bill for about $3, 500. That's $700-$800 a person. Of course we drink big (Whisky) and eat big and sometimes and that's what I expect to pay. I have a good time.

Another group goes cheap. We go to Lion about 5-6 guys and spend $1, 000. We eat and drink small and end up paying about $200. These guys just don't drink and at the end of the evening the bill is what I expect at the end of the night.

Then there's Dave. When none of my friends are in CP or I want to hang with some new people, or I want to go to a place I haven't been before, I call Dave. For $300, you pretty much drink allot of beer and have a good time. I get value from that outing, even though I really don't drink that much. I am willing to pay the $300. I really don't care what Dave gets within that $300 or his kickbacks. I pay for not having to book the room and meeting some new guys, or maybe seeing a different K. I know what I'm getting and I know what I am paying. And in general, I enjoyed myself.

That's the way of the world. I doubt Dave's making lots of money. And if he is, that's great, too. It's not easy trying to lead a gathering with a bunch of guys. Believe me, I've done it among friends and it's a pain in the ass. It's not easy money. Friends, the travel business can be hell.

We all have a free will and a free choice. If you are not happy trying out Dave's gatherings and bookings, just don't go the next time or don't book with him.

It's that simple baby!

Onadlos

09-28-09, 15:36

And might actually be your GF too in Fact, I don't want to know. The fact is I got to watch pretty interesting things from "behind the scene".

Met her in a bar. She was drunk, took me to a hotel. I told her I didn't have money, she said she don't care. We shared the Hotel fee, I mean she insisted, she said "Usually gys payy for me but for you it's different".

Anyway she didn't tell me about her job at first but I knew there was something going on. She would call me at 2 am drunk and come to see me at my apartement. I'm not rich and I don't look rich at all, excepti have some Dior clothes but I never gave her not even one penny, not even taxi money.

One day she called me at 2 am and said she needed me. She told me to go to a KTV. I was really scared of going but I went. I entered the KTV of a famous hotel by the back door. She told the receptionist I was her BF. I went there, 4 drunk Chinese guys in their 50's and 5 girls with clothes ON singing. The guy weretrying to touch and kissed the girls, which they didn't let them do, but were clever enough to turn the guys on and have them order more wine and food.

Anyway, she said her roomate, who is the hotesst girl I've seen in China ever, was receiving presents from this rich HK guy, and was her "girlfriend". But she hates him, and wants to stop seeing him. She said she need money to pay for her family etc, as usual. I Didn't believe her, but later learned that it is actually true.,

I talked with the 50 years old guy who was actually not a total asshole by a quite nice person, although his colleagues were assholes. One of them had decided to have sex with my girl and was coming very often and was being agressive, so basically that's why I was there. I'm 28 y old, 2M high and 95 kgs, the guys was shitting his pants, that was funny and the other Chinese guys started making fun of him.

Anyway, I don't know wht kind of relationship I have with her, she's just that girl I know who calls me when she needs a man to talk to. Sometimes she just sleeps in my bed holding both of my hands and keeps putting her head on my chest and her legs on me, something my "real" gf hasn't done for years. She never talked about loving me or being my girlfriend, she just said that girls like her only bring trouble. I went to her appartement twice, I know all of her KTV girlfriends.

Most people tell me to be careful blabla bla. I actually start to believe than this girls is more "ethical" to be with than some real GF's I had in the past.

Anyway I left China, she came to the airport. She cried, she said she hopes I can come back soon.

I don't really know what to say, but that's a very nice story,
I had sex
Went to kTV and hotels for free
Free food
Free drinks
Free evenings in bars or restaurants with all the other KTV girls (one male and 10 KTV girls in an informal situation)
Total damage = 0€

I'd like to say end of the story but i don"t really believe it.

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Turtlehead

09-28-09, 16:03

Lion KTV

Seems rather sad lately at the Lion KTV. A girl I called stood me up last weekend so as I was staying at Lion, I went down to the KTV to look. Spent 1 hour trying my best to pick someone, but just could not get myself to lower my standards. Really sad. Lion was great about 9 years ago on my first trip to CP. We had 8 guys on that outing, and 8 guys picked girl from the first group that come into the room. Group A. That was the golden age of CP.

Now it's seems sad the way they have the girls do the "runway walk" the first half hour when they open. Sad how the mommies are looking older and the girls not getting any younger.

I love the hotel and have gotten to know allot of the hotel staff there, but the sadness is getting to me. Lion Hotel is on its last legs I'm afraid.

BARKING AT BEGGARS

I've had many frustrations with the old beggars on the main Lion and HH strip. They keep coming up and poking those plates at you and running relentlessly after you. Try to touch you with their dirty hands. Almost got violent a few times, but was able to control myself.

This past weekend I tried something that seemed to work. When they come up, I started a violent bark at them like I have rabies. It's rather idiotic and wacky, but it seemed to work. It startles one and they didn't come any closely. And I laugh and keep myself from getting violent. So next time to hear a guy barking at a beggar you know why. If you have this problem with beggars, I challenge to to a bark-off. Let's start this barking tradition in CP and get those beggars off our backs.

Milan Guy

09-28-09, 16:47

Dear Bros,

I will be heading down to CP in 2 weeks time with a couple of my friends

We are a group of newbies. Anyone kind enough to guide on hotel bookings and ktv room bookings?

Thank You

Kow Bow

09-28-09, 17:16

Wow! I'm gone back to North America for a couple of weeks and didn't log onto ISG for a while and all hell breaks loose!

Okay, I still haven't made it up to CP from SZ yet because of my crazy work schedule but from what I know, the locals with whom I work with told me that China CAN be dangerous and at least you can get ripped off if you don't have connections in the local area. Being a relative CP newbie. Well China newbie, I have to admit that having someone with connections, who is going to work a little to make sure that I have fun and not have my kidney available for sale in Laos is invaluable. Personally I have no problem that BSD is making a little off the side and frankly, I'm glad to know that he is being compensated for his efforts. As a matter of fact, I prefer it because there isn't the awkwardness of BSD or someone having to mention that he get his "fee". And besides, BSD "guides" guys practically every night, we all know that KTV's and Saunas are not that cheap so how is it possible that people didn't figure out that anyone doing this would need, just out of necessity, to supplement their income. Frankly, it ain't that easy dealing with all these guys and their requests, and the translating, and the no-shows, etc etc so this ain't exactly ALL fun and games. My brief experience with BSD the couple of times I TRIED to get to CP but was thwarted by my evil bosses was nothing short of awesome. BSD is a nice guy, and he went out of his way for me to try and get there to party with you all. I read people pretty well I will tell you that it wasn't all profit that was his motivation.

I can understand some wanting BSD to be a little more transparent and technically you have a point if this were serious business but this ain't the G20, country's futures and lives are not at stake here and touting a super high moral ground rings a little hollow when this board is basically made up of punters (just trying to be funny no offense intended). Besides, if any of you senior guys want show newbies around for just pleasure of our company, PM me, I have a Cohiba cigar waiting for you. If you're too busy or won't, I guess I'll have to text BSD.

Anyways, now that the secret is out in the open. Can we get back to business? I'll be back in China in a couple of weeks and I WILL finally make it up to CP or CA eventually. I hope to see some of you guys, I hope to hang with some super hot chicks. I hope that I get to visit one of the KTV's where there are hundreds of girls on the flower street, and the secret Naked KTV. I hope I don't end up in one of those banned singing nights and sing a little Karaoke. And most of all, I hope that I am considered a better singer that SEAJ.

Till then.

Jim Traveller

09-28-09, 20:19

Hey dude, this is not a contest about CP knowledge - you won't get a medal because you know a few places more than others. If you wish to share info, wonderful. If you do not wish to share, or have concerns about sharing, it is still you own affair - no one is going to fault you over it either.

Neither is this a seniority contest - whether X learned CP ropes from Y who in turn learned about CP from Z is hardly a reason to give Z more credence. The last time I asked a doctor, one's "membership" does not grow longer after each use.... I have seen doctors and accountants pull seniority...but it humors me strangely to see mongers pulling seniority to prove a point.

If one wishes to be flattered about one's mongering record or knowledge, then I flatter you brother. You know both the secret KTV and the secret sauna, how very informed, knowledgeable you are!

One is free to inform or advise or or being opinionated about a piece of mongering info... after all, this is just the place for such things. If you think what a brother posts is not entirely accurate, then by all means post your own version. What is not OK is to take on a "holier than thou" or "daddy knows all" attitude and attack the motives and integrity of another brother, however experienced you are as a monger and however long your dick is.

As Voltaire once wrote: I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.... Oooops...who am I kidding.... I flatter myself too much... This is only a mongering board, not the New York Times. The reality is...I don't mind much of what you say when it comes to mongering info - opinions differ and there are some out there who will share your views about a venue...what pisses me off is the way someone has to put another brother down in order to prove ones own version of facts.....

Oh shit, I am doing just the same, am I? Oh, mom, its not me...they, they started it first..... Wu Wu Wu.

Don't flatter yourself, Jim. We know where the naked KTV is in CP (K...). Challenge me and I will post the full name. It's not just the naked KTV, it's just that everything seems to be "a secret" (or PM me!) now instead of being shared.

Member #4144

09-28-09, 20:59

I hope I don't end up in one of those banned singing nights and sing a little Karaoke. And most of all, I hope that I am considered a better singer that SEAJ.

Wow, finally, someone else who also perfers ktv to include Karaoke. I thought I am the only outlier and unwelcome because I like the k part of ktv.

Fillmore

Csun213

09-28-09, 21:35

Lion KTV

BARKING AT BEGGARS

I've had many frustrations with the old beggars on the main Lion and HH strip. They keep coming up and poking those plates at you and running relentlessly after you. Try to touch you with their dirty hands. Almost got violent a few times, but was able to control myself.

This past weekend I tried something that seemed to work. When they come up, I started a violent bark at them like I have rabies. It's rather idiotic and wacky, but it seemed to work. It startles one and they didn't come any closely. And I laugh and keep myself from getting violent. So next time to hear a guy barking at a beggar you know why. If you have this problem with beggars, I challenge to to a bark-off. Let's start this barking tradition in CP and get those beggars off our backs.

At least we are getting some other topics now.

I understand what you are saying about beggars. I usually give some money to beggars because I just feel so bad for them, then as more and more of them start to show up and start to bug everyone including me, I start not giving money to them and even get mad at them. I have actually got mad once and yelled at an old man who just wouldn't stop bothering me. Then after I did it, I felt bad because he is someone down on his luck and probably have people yell at him or say no to him all the time. Everyone have some self respect. I actually ran after him and gave him 20rmb just to make up for yelling at him.

Now I only give money to a beggar if they are old and if they are by themselves otherwise you will have every beggar in the area coming to see you.

Kow Bow

09-28-09, 21:42

As we all know, there's 4 rooms near the hui mei BBS area. One's in Jia Mei, which i NEVER pick from because it's a pretty nasty scene, stuffing 25-30 girls into a hotel room with no ventilation, as they cannot open the windows, and are too cheap to turn on the air conditioning- resulting in a humid stink of body odor and yellow stains on the bed sheets they sweat on all day long during the scorching hot days in CP. Man, that kind if shit makes me sad. Hopefully, these assholes go out of business or the girls wise up and go somewhere else.

Kow Bow

09-28-09, 22:49

Wow, finally, someone else who also perfers ktv to include Karaoke. I thought I am the only outlier and unwelcome because I like the k part of ktv. I don't mind so much if that group was no-singing, just that I needed to know.

FillmoreFillmore, if only these KTV's had more English songs. Damn, the selection is so small. Then again, I've only been to KTV's in SZ so far so I can't necessarily say I know what the selection is.

SEAJ: hope you didn't take offense.

I just read that your singing is, well, infamous.

Pushkin13

09-29-09, 01:00

Jamie5063

09-29-09, 02:24

Dear Bros,

I will be heading down to CP in 2 weeks time with a couple of my friends

We are a group of newbies. Anyone kind enough to guide on hotel bookings and ktv room bookings?

Thank You
This has to be a wind up

Mongerxx

09-29-09, 02:54

At least we are getting some other topics now.

I understand what you are saying about beggars. I usually give some money to beggars because I just feel so bad for them, then as more and more of them start to show up and start to bug everyone including me, I start not giving money to them and even get mad at them. I have actually got mad once and yelled at an old man who just wouldn't stop bothering me. Then after I did it, I felt bad because he is someone down on his luck and probably have people yell at him or say no to him all the time. Everyone have some self respect. I actually ran after him and gave him 20rmb just to make up for yelling at him.

Now I only give money to a beggar if they are old and if they are by themselves otherwise you will have every beggar in the area coming to see you.

Come on you can't be so niave. Whenever you see beggars in such good real estate (for begging) they are part of a begging syndicate. The money you give to the pan handlers seldom with perfomr the charitable function you prefer. It's mostly going into the hands of corrupt officials and criminals. Give you charitable money to legitimate charities, and give the criminal element money for things that we enjoy - hot young gash - not to provide the huge negative externality that is generated by these annoying fucks. Come on you can have a good heart and be smart too. These fuckers make it unbearable for someone, especailly a foreigner, to walk along that stretch of road. Hell they have personally drive me to relocate to Swan Lake Road when in CP.

Mongerxx

09-29-09, 03:16

Wow, finally, someone else who also perfers ktv to include Karaoke. I thought I am the only outlier and unwelcome because I like the k part of ktv.

Fillmore

Hey Fillmore I am with you too brother. When I read your report, my thought was what a bunch of anal retentive control freak assholes. I would have excused myself ASAP. I just had to chuckle when a couple of weeks ago, this board started to post these long lists of KTV do nots. Can't a brother just relax and have a good time. Just agree beforehand on the per head budget, and financial aspects like # of KJ's, order food or not, and etc.. Otherwise just be respectful and a little tolerant, enjoy the company of your old friends and get to know your new ones, and just have fun. Having others 'regulate' your behavior isn't my idea of fun and I won't be joining such groups.

SE Asia Joe

09-29-09, 05:30

And most of all, I hope that I am considered a better singer that SEAJ.

Till then.
I can GUARANTEE you that this is gonna be easily accomplished!

I'm most likely the reason why some guys insists that there be no K-OK singing when we're at at a K-OK! Not only do I warble and destroy every song, I am the P.I.T.A. who dominates the mike - reason being that no one else dares to make a fool of themselves with their own rendering of songs!

But then again.... no singing at a K-OK?! Hmmmmmm....

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

09-29-09, 05:40

Come on you can't be so niave. Whenever you see beggars in such good real estate (for begging) they are part of a begging syndicate. The money you give to the pan handlers seldom with perfomr the charitable function you prefer. It's mostly going into the hands of corrupt officials and criminals. Give you charitable money to legitimate charities, and give the criminal element money for things that we enjoy - hot young gash - not to provide the huge negative externality that is generated by these annoying fucks. Come on you can have a good heart and be smart too. These fuckers make it unbearable for someone, especailly a foreigner, to walk along that stretch of road. Hell they have personally drive me to relocate to Swan Lake Road when in CP.
Yes, beggars anywhere really puts a damper on most everything.

The very existence of beggars translates to me not only that socio/economically, something is missing but also that there is a lack of law and order at the locality.

And the exploitation of the old, the frail and children by criminal syndicates - quite apparent in that stretch of the street and area between the Miraton and the Red Lion is truly disgusting. I've also seen one instance when a beggaring group SEEMS to have been in cahoots with pick pockets - kids started that grabbing a hold of both the guy's pants as well as his WG's skirts, lots of jostling and shouting and then all of a sudden, a guy slickly emptying the pockets of the punter whilst he's busy fending off and shouting at the kids.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

09-29-09, 05:45

Hey Fillmore I am with you too brother. When I read your report, my thought was what a bunch of anal retentive control freak assholes. I would have excused myself ASAP. I just had to chuckle when a couple of weeks ago, this board started to post these long lists of KTV do nots. Can't a brother just relax and have a good time. Just agree beforehand on the per head budget, and financial aspects like # of KJ's, order food or not, and etc.. Otherwise just be respectful and a little tolerant, enjoy the company of your old friends and get to know your new ones, and just have fun. Having others 'regulate' your behavior isn't my idea of fun and I won't be joining such groups.
Hey mongerxx - I wouldn't quite put it the way that you have!! I mean, let's face it, how I sing (or think I'm singing??!), and how some of these guys AND gals - especially when they've had one too much - sing? I mean it's really like when I'm the only guy - a smoker - and I'm around a bunch who's not smoking ain't it?! I really do need to consider others don't I?

The key is like you stated - be respectful to each other and NOT make demands of others and/or order what can or cannot be done. Just a bit of consideration to each other and that's how a party grooves.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

09-29-09, 05:50

This has to be a wind up
With the Canton trade Fair coming up??!! Nahhh... these kinds of posts are par for the course.

So, to Milan Guy, I'd recommend that you first read Sammy T's excellent R.O.D. report - to get to know everything you need to know:

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=932174

Enjoy

SEAJ

Ps. Where did that expression par for the course originate?? It's actually quite ridiculous - seeing as I've never been able to shoot Par golf EVER - not even close!

Minkfan1

09-29-09, 05:58

Mongerxx

09-29-09, 07:34

Hey mongerxx - I wouldn't quite put it the way that you have!! I mean, let's face it, how I sing (or think I'm singing??!), and how some of these guys AND gals - especially when they've had one too much - sing? I mean it's really like when I'm the only guy - a smoker - when I'm around a bunch who's not smoking ain't it?! I really do need to consider others don't I?

The key is like you stated - be respectful to each other and NOT make demands of others and/or order what can or cannot be done. Just a bit of consideration to each other and that's how a party grooves.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Ok, perhaps my insult was a litte over the top. I also considered an alternative course of action Filmore could have taken. He could have bought his girls the biggest most obnoxious stuff animal offered, and made a big show of giving it to his girl in front of the whole room. Then he could have insisted his girl change into street clothes right away. Upon her return he could have insisted on buying his girl's full monthly quota of overpriced milk lady drinks. He he, that would put a similar damper on his new friends' evening as they put on his! Sorry, I am in an evil mood today.

Wait he could also buy a couple of boxes of moon cakes too!

SE Asia Joe

09-29-09, 08:01

Glad things are starting to calm down in the thread.

Since I haven't been back in a few years I have no new mongering info to share, so let's talk about beggars:

I can deal with old beggars - I just walk a little faster - but I can't deal with kid beggars. One night on my last trip back I was walking with a date and a friend down the main drag. As we crossed that little square between Virgin and HuiMei, a little kid kept pushing us to buy flowers. After a couple of no's from me he then clamped on my girl's leg. It freaked her out. I heard these kids don't get to keep the money they earn, so I didn't want to pay out. I tried reasoning with him, I tried tickling him, nothing worked. After my friend had his share of laughing he helped me pry the little guy off.

Anyone encounter those little beggars?
THAT.... is pretty well "par for the course" (jeez - I do like that expression -even though it still don't make sense to me!) in that area these days. But what is worse is that the pick pocket gang now also zoom in to the "action" and do their thing whilst guys/gals are distracted by these little urchins.

Like I said, this area is rife with all sort of street crime as the bad guys all know that this is where the BSD/Newbies are at. That combined with the false sense of security that these guys develop when staying at the Hui Hua/Miraton , (Wow, what's so bad here - those guys on the ISG boards are just too paranoid. I feel right at home here!) and then taking this same of false sense of security to the streets outside = ripe for the butchering!!

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Santa

09-29-09, 08:29

Wizzy2007

09-29-09, 11:45

I just got back from my first trip to Changping. I wanted to write a report from the perspective of a Caucasian (a white guy, which is what I am). I think many of the posters on this thread may be of Asian origin and believe me if you are of Asian origin and can speak Chinese then this place is heaven on earth! It is still really great for Caucasians too but only if you can speak Chinese or are with people that can speak Chinese. An absolutely awesome place and had an amazing time. I did not see a single other white guy while I was here for the weekend which was sort of cool.

Ok first things first. If you don't speak Chinese then on your first time round you will find it near on impossible to come to Changping on your own, find your way around and have a good time. Bear in mind that most of the posters on this thread speak Chinese and I believe many are from Hong Kong even those with names that sound like they are not. You MUST contact Big Swinging Dave and let him arrange things for you. Really believe me on this one. I was really hesitant to meet him at first as I have never met anyone from the forum before and really didn't know what to expect. I had this vision of some big old beer belly English guy trying to show people round but I couldn't have been more wrong. BSD is a young, smart guy and all the people he introduced me too were really great guys too. Good guys, with good jobs just enjoying themselves as we all do.

Ok so let me go through my impressions one by one. I am not going to give details of the girls or locations and costs as that information is already available in previous posts.

OVERALL OUTLAY

On your first trip I think it makes sense to just stay at the Clipper Hotel. It is a really nice hotel and the rooms are fantastic. Amazing value for 268RMB and it is right in the middle of the action. You have everything you need within a 500 meter radius or in the hotel itself. Changping is basically a Chinese version of Angeles City in Philippines. It is an absolute shitehole with nothing to do before 3pm and seemingly the main purpose for its existence is mongering (at least in the area around Clipper Hotel although admittedly I didn't see the rest of the city). Clipper is in a street that is just one long street of say 800metres and all the BBS and Saunas are on this strip. It is very easy to find your way around but actually finding the hotel is not easy unless your driver knows exactly where it is. The street names and hotel names that people use on here don't mean anything in reality as everything has a different name in Chinese! This is why you really do need someone like BSD who speaks really good Chinese and looks like a local (even though he is not). Loved sitting in the window seat of the restaurant at Clipper and watching all the girls walking to work around 5 to 6pm. Some absolute beauties!

KTV

If you are on your own, white and don't speak Chinese then forget about it, really. You won't know where to go you won't know the system you will pay over the odds and that is you ever get past the language barriers. If you want to do KTV then hook up with BSD and let him arrange everything. The good thing about BSD is that he is a party guy and the girls love him and he knows how to get the party going. You really need someone like this and the KTV thing was quite an experience and a shame to miss out if you are in CP. We went to a semi naked place which was really a lot of fun and there were a group or around 6 or 7 guys. The 300 girl flower street was a pretty amazing sight. I went home with a girl that one of the other guys picked (after checking with him first if it was ok) as she genuinely seemed to fancy me which is extremely unusual. She pretty much singled me out in the karaoke room and then when we got home the service was amazing and she let me cum on her face and in her mouth. She was 20 years old and beautiful. I was so surprised by this. It was like she wanted to try a white guy for the night or something.

BBS

These are not like your normal China BBS. Here you invariably have to go into an apartment or KTV looking place where the girls will be on display. Personally I liked the place opposite Manhattan Hotel that looks more like a KTV although for various reasons BSD doesn't like that place and I must say the mommies there are very pushy which is a bit of a nuisance. In my opinion there were some very attractive girls in the BBS places but the service was terrible. This was mostly my own fault though and can't really blame the girls. Seriously it is truly a curse in this part of the world and I wish it wasn't so but the girls freak out when they see my cock as it is really well above average size. The first BBS girl let me try but was in pain and wanted to stop. Interestingly enough she left without requesting payment as the service was so lousy. Again I was very surprised by this and was prepared to have paid. Same thing with the second BBS girl but she gave me a blow job and let me cum on her tits so no arguments there. Beautiful girls though.

SAUNA

I only went to the Sauna at the Clipper Hotel which is where I was staying. All the girls were beautiful in my opinion and I had no problem picking girls there. I can't remember the names or number of the girls but they are consummate pros and didn't complain about penis size or anything like that. A very nice set up indeed and other reports give details of pricing and girl quality.

SAFETY

Ok first of all you need to scroll back through the posts back to around March of this year and read the report about the guy that was tied up and robbed in an apartment. I could easily see how that could happen here and don't underestimate it. HOWEVER, once someone like BSD has shown you the ropes this place in my opinion is not generally as dangerous as it is made out to be on this board. You can always be tricked and intimidated in China when you are in a confined space but just walking around I don't think there is really much danger. Of course you might pay more in taxis and so on but that is normal for anywhere in Asia. I have a feeling that as a white guy here you would be much less likely to be bound and robbed anywhere. These people are pragmatic and the hassle of robbing a white guy is much higher than robbing an Asian looking guy. Why? Not because we are bigger or stronger (we are not) but purely because of the language barrier.. NO ONE here speaks English and I think they know it would be a hassle trying to get your details out of you and the language barrier would be too big. Could be wrong but I do have that distinct feeling and the guy that got robbed and wrote about it does touch on that. You must read his report and learn the lessons that he outlines in it and where he went wrong.

SUMMARY

1. Awesome place and will definitely be back.

2. Would love to spend more time hanging out with the Hong Kong guys as they know how to party in these places and are great guys.

3. A wild west town for sure.

4. Not quite as dangerous as made out to be on here. But only once you have been shown the ropes.

5. Stick with the tried and tested places and you shouldn't come to any grief.

6. If you are alone and don't speak Chinese don't even consider coming here without the help of someone like BSD to show you the ropes.

7. No guarantee of service in the BBS but other places have true professionals.

8. Just to be absolutely clear, BSD is a great guy and is completely straight and honest. He looks local and knows all the tricks. Consider that he is a tour guide of sorts, that this is a kind of job for him and he picks up benefits along the way. A perfect arrangement and one that I was very happy with as without him I couldn't have had fun in this place. I will contact every time I go to Changping.Sounds like it is the Pattaya of China?

Playboy2000

09-29-09, 15:02

It is stories like these that make boards like these worth reading. Very touching and very real. Thanks.

Just one question: did all this happen in CP?

And might actually be your GF too in Fact, I don't want to know. The fact is I got to watch pretty interesting things from "behind the scene".

Met her in a bar. She was drunk, took me to a hotel. I told her I didn't have money, she said she don't care. We shared the Hotel fee, I mean she insisted, she said "Usually gys payy for me but for you it's different".

Anyway she didn't tell me about her job at first but I knew there was something going on. She would call me at 2 am drunk and come to see me at my apartement. I'm not rich and I don't look rich at all, excepti have some Dior clothes but I never gave her not even one penny, not even taxi money.

One day she called me at 2 am and said she needed me. She told me to go to a KTV. I was really scared of going but I went. I entered the KTV of a famous hotel by the back door. She told the receptionist I was her BF. I went there, 4 drunk Chinese guys in their 50's and 5 girls with clothes ON singing. The guy weretrying to touch and kissed the girls, which they didn't let them do, but were clever enough to turn the guys on and have them order more wine and food.

Anyway, she said her roomate, who is the hotesst girl I've seen in China ever, was receiving presents from this rich HK guy, and was her "girlfriend". But she hates him, and wants to stop seeing him. She said she need money to pay for her family etc, as usual. I Didn't believe her, but later learned that it is actually true.,

I talked with the 50 years old guy who was actually not a total asshole by a quite nice person, although his colleagues were assholes. One of them had decided to have sex with my girl and was coming very often and was being agressive, so basically that's why I was there. I'm 28 y old, 2M high and 95 kgs, the guys was shitting his pants, that was funny and the other Chinese guys started making fun of him.

Anyway, I don't know wht kind of relationship I have with her, she's just that girl I know who calls me when she needs a man to talk to. Sometimes she just sleeps in my bed holding both of my hands and keeps putting her head on my chest and her legs on me, something my "real" gf hasn't done for years. She never talked about loving me or being my girlfriend, she just said that girls like her only bring trouble. I went to her appartement twice, I know all of her KTV girlfriends.

Most people tell me to be careful blabla bla. I actually start to believe than this girls is more "ethical" to be with than some real GF's I had in the past.

Anyway I left China, she came to the airport. She cried, she said she hopes I can come back soon.

I don't really know what to say, but that's a very nice story,
I had sex
Went to kTV and hotels for free
Free food
Free drinks
Free evenings in bars or restaurants with all the other KTV girls (one male and 10 KTV girls in an informal situation)
Total damage = 0€

I'd like to say end of the story but i don"t really believe it.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Kazzerra

09-29-09, 16:13

Sarg2009

09-29-09, 20:38

Freepeaks

09-29-09, 21:14

How long has it been....????
Since i had a squirter???
Sorry Guys - just ABC and other Northern Asians - no Lao Wais!

Discrimination!! I actually had one last trip that was laowai friendly. tiny thing, big wave.

Santa

09-29-09, 21:18

Last time when I was there I also encounter those little beggars. I didn't give any penny to them but my gal did give 10 rmb to those little beggars. After that they were gone. Nothing special happen after that.

That's why they persist in doing what they do, because sometimes it is rewarded with 10 rmb. B F Skinner called it "a partial schedule of reinforcement."

The adults who control the kids are watching from nearby. If you watch patiently from a distance you will see an adult signaling to the kids, who to grab and when to let go. They probably beat the kids if they are not obedient.

Freepeaks

09-29-09, 21:18

We got the food for takeout and once we got inside, she impressively finished all the food she ordered, including the dozen BBQ'd oysters. I didn't dare try any...

The oysters are cooked at 220-240C on the grill, so it should kill about anything, I have eaten them many times without issues coming from the states. don't eat anything steamed as it does not get hot enough if it is raw pork, fish or seafood. the food is damn good off the grills and I have eaten at the one behind lucky a few times also.

Fast Eddie 48

09-30-09, 00:01

The oysters are cooked at 220-240C on the grill, so it should kill about anything, I have eaten them many times without issues coming from the states. don't eat anything steamed as it does not get hot enough if it is raw pork, fish or seafood. the food is damn good off the grills and I have eaten at the one behind lucky a few times also.Freespeaks,

I got sick 2 yr ago after I have some oyster at the alley behind the lucky hotel ,it was the large one some be is not fresh have stomach pain all night take 2 cipro 500 mg that take care of the problem.

Fast Eddie 48

Sound7

09-30-09, 02:20

Is it safe to do raw oysters thing in South China ?

Baked or cooked is the safest way to go.

The oysters are cooked at 220-240C on the grill, so it should kill about anything, I have eaten them many times without issues coming from the states. don't eat anything steamed as it does not get hot enough if it is raw pork, fish or seafood. the food is damn good off the grills and I have eaten at the one behind lucky a few times also.

Bob Builder

09-30-09, 02:59

What's more dangerous?

DATY of a WG or eating grilled oysters in China?

Should you grill the girl's pussy before eating?

Do you rinse your mouth out with mouthwash after eating oysters?

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 03:05

Sounds like it is the Pattaya of China?
NO, it is NOT!

That notion is one that I think important to dispel and to dispel strongly/thoroughly.

To compare and liken Chang Ping to Pattaya - or any other SE Asian Mongering destination - is a really bad piece of misinformation as then guys will roll into Chang Ping, expecting AND acting as if they're in Patts. We've all seen this happening - with bad things happening to the guy and/or making us foreign mongers all that more unwelcome.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Sound7

09-30-09, 03:39

Go for the grilled oysters, but inspect the pussy
Yes, grill the pussy if you have know how too. Safety first.
Skip the mouthwash... take it to heaven

What's more dangerous?

DATY of a WG or eating grilled oysters in China?

Should you grill the girl's pussy before eating?

Do you rinse your mouth out with mouthwash after eating oysters?

Csun213

09-30-09, 04:53

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 09:37

Hey SE Asia Joe, I think it is great that you enjoy singing regardless of what the other guys say. You really need someone who is not shy to get the fun started in KTV. I don't enjoy KTV because a few times that I went, everyone was just sitting around and not doing much. No one would sing since they are afraid that they would look foolish. It really wasn't much fun.

If we had a guy like you who isn't shy and don't care whether his singing is good or bad, then other guys will start singing thinking "at least I am better than SE Asia Joe", this would really get the fun started.

So I say, go ahead and sing to your heart content and I hope I can hookup with you next time I am in CP.
Hey Csun - thanks for your vote of confidence!

And WHO says that my singing is crap??!! Who dares say that??!! Maaaannnnn.. you ain't heard singin' till you heard Joe sing!

Oooops.... I guess I was the one who admitted to be a horribly bad singer just a couple or so posts down huh....?

Sheepishly signing off ... for now only, that is!!

seaj - not in capital letters.

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 09:39

Freespeaks,

I got sick 2 yr ago after I have some oyster at the alley behind the lucky hotel ,it was the large one some be is not fresh have stomach pain all night take 2 cipro 500 mg that take care of the problem.

Fast Eddie 48
Eddie Eddie Eddie.... you SURE it was the oysters??

You're not a discerning diner and as far as I remember, you told me you love dining at the Y...... didn't you? DIDN't YOU??!!

Seaj

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 09:48

I just got back from CP. I agree with HAD. The area around Mariton and Hui Hua is more safer than the Clipper or Swan Lake. Afterall, these are 5 stars hotel. Do you really think they don't have the proper connections?

I too think that someone we are talking about needs to be up front about getting kick backs from the establishments, if it is indeed true.

Sarg

VERSUS your previous report.

Hello all,

I read alot of reports from this forum. It has been very informative. I like to report an incident that happen to my friend and I in ChangPing.

One nite several months ago. My friend (Chinese ABC), his girl, and I were going to get something to eat after KTV. It was around 1:30am.

We went to the restuarant directly across from the Lucky Hotel. We went there several times before.

On this nite, we walked in. All the tables were full. There was one being clean up. We waited until the service person to do her job before taking a seat. When the table was clean up, 3 Chinese guys jump in and sat right down. (Chinese habits). I, of course, did not like this since we been waiting before these guys even entered the restaurant. I (Mandarin challenge, being a white man in the mid 40s) tries to tell them that we been waiting for that table and that it is not right to do what they just did. One thing led to another and we got into a scuffle. The scuffle started to get out of control and we ended up outside of the restaurant. Within several more minutes, there were a bunch more guys coming down the street towards our direction. Luckily my Chinese ABC friend was alert and told me to run. We ran back to our hotel (Wu Mei) before the mob (backup of the 3 guys) was able to catch us. They did not dare to enter the hotel.

Of course this sour our evening. Playing in Changping is usually good. But the Chinese needs time to understand. I much rather monger in Thailand or Manila where there is a little civility.

I hope that others be careful and not get into the same problem that I got into. What we think (in America) is proper manners, the Chinese does not.

Chocha Monger

09-30-09, 10:09

Eddie Eddie Eddie.... you SURE it was the oysters??

You're not a discerning diner and as far as I remember, you told me you love dining at the Y...... didn't you? DIDN't YOU??!!

SEaj
SEAJ:

Give Fast Eddie a break! It was a bad oyster, a big hairy one. :D

Pig Fat

09-30-09, 10:45

Great spot, Joe

VERSUS your previous report.

Usbomber123

09-30-09, 12:37

Most of the guys who know their way around either do not have the time or do not want to be bothered with new guys looking for information. So, if BSD is willing to use his valuble time to help you and translate for you, I think he deserves a little commission or tip or dinner or some reward or other. If there is nothing in it for him why should he bother answering your PM and make arrangements for you.

If you don't need his help then I'm sure that's ok with him.

Also, I don't think false information was intentionally being given. Just guys giving their opinions.Facts:

• I had been on the board for the past 4 years.

• Lost my password for my account and didn't bother to post because there aren't any more new information on the board.

• Till date, I still go to CP monthly.

• I had decided to register new account to post what I understood on this argument.

Facts: On this topic; BSD

• Once upon a time there was a travel agent named Dragon D. He offers services that take ISG member that are new to China for mongering tours. He charges a premium for his services but his clients are happy even if they know about it. Dragon D was honest in admitting that he is a travel agent and is making a living from pimping. Almost everyone on the board didn't like him and accused him of profiting from free information on the board. The truth was; he is station in Shanghai and not only he has access to free ISG information, he does also has first hand information from all other sources. But still members would stone him to death for stealing information.

• Today, we have BSD, who had moved to DG recently, set up his business to offer similar services in CP for members who do not know any better. Like Dragon D, he not only has access to information from old-timer on the board, he also has access to updated information from CP. The difference is; he never admits that he is profiting from this business.

Assumptions:

• Dragon D is an honest travel agent and places his price list in front of everyone. It was his clients who were willing to take up his offer and pay for his services.

• BSD is running the same type of business but never admit or tell anyone the terms of services because he get it indirectly from kickbacks.

Question: Why are we punishing the honest and supporting the "secret agent"?

Facts:

• Sometimes back, a party was organized for the Birthday of a renowned SEA Joe. It was supposed to be a party for closed friends on ISG because, everyone is supposed to have fun and pitch in for gifts for their good friend SEA Joe. However for whatever reasons, lots of members whom don't even know Joe well or had not even met Joe before (including myself), was invited and attended.

Assumption:

• Make up the numbers to get more profits? 20 odd persons at the party paid 500 each. That will nicely make up 10, 000 or more. As only beers were served in the party, the bill should not come up to be more than 5000. 3 girls (Gift) for Joe was 800 each comes up to be 2400. 10, 000 – 5000 – 2400 = 2600. Question: Don't you think paying 2600 as salary for organizing the party is OK? So WTF are we bitching about? Of course, 2600 is the at the bottom end of the scale 5000 for a KTV bill in CP? : P

Facts:

• We not hearing from BSD himself. Those who have used his services are defending him.

• SEA Joe is a strong believer that BSD is not a pimp or profiting from this business and would defend to death to keep BSD's reputation.

Assumptions:

• (Positive) What people said about him on the board will not stop him from helping all the brothers on the board. He is a great guy!

• (Positive) BSD is an honest guy, thinks all of these on the board are bullshit and does not wants to get involved.

• (Positive) Joe is just wants to be fair to BSD as he had organized the best Birthday party he ever had.

• (Negative) BSD is keeping quiet and happy about all this publicity on him. In a way, that's good for his business.

• (Negative) Joe is part of BSD business and is also profiting from it.

• (Negative) BSD is guilty conscience and rather not make the matter worst.

Question:

• Do old timers like us even need to worry about these? We don't need BSD's services anyways.

Facts:

• There are NO secret places in CP!

Assumption:

• This is part of the plan to draw more new comers to use BSD's services.

Question:

• CP is a town full of entertainment venue. Why any owners of such establishment will wants to keep it secret?

Facts:

• If we flagged down a cab in CP and ask the cabby to take us to a place where we can get girls. The cabby will bring you to a BBS and get a commission, if we pickup a girl from that BBS. But by doing so, the BBS owner will try to sell you their girls at a higher price. Instead of 200 they will try to ask for 250 or 300. This is to cover the cost of the commission.

Assumption:

• The managers paying these travel agents would try to recover this cost (commission) from somewhere else. The best way is to include it into our initial price of services. If it is a KTV, this commission will be hidden in the total amount.

Question:

• Having travel agent or people trying to get kickbacks from these establishments, wouldn't it drive the prices up?

Facts:

• There is too much publicity on this topic and the well advertised "Secret Places".

Assumptions:

• This publicity may make the LEs curious and wants to find out about all these "Secret Places".

• This publicity is made for the purpose of benefiting the pimping business.

Question:

• Wouldn't all these be drawing more attention from the Authorities and pressurize them to act?

HornyAsianDawg

09-30-09, 13:15

To quote you Joe, yet YOU are still beating the issue.

Wadman have already contacted BS Dave and I, and as adults, we have decided that we should just ALL put a stop to all this discussions and rancour. After all, we all have had more than our fair share of Jackson's bandwidth to put forward our own points of view and it would really just be beating a dead horse to continue.

We each have our own opinions and amongst friends it's alright to have differing ones... and to just leave it at that.

So back to...YES YES YES....let's all get back to the purpose of this board.... Mongering!!

Keep mongering, keep safe and stay happy guys!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 13:32

To quote you Joe, yet YOU are still beating the issue.
OK - thanks.
SEaj

Wadman

09-30-09, 14:49

BruceTea

09-30-09, 15:27

And WHO says that my singing is crap??!! Who dares say that??!! Maaaannnnn.. you ain't heard singin' till you heard Joe sing!

Oooops.... I guess I was the one who admitted to be a horribly bad singer just a couple or so posts down huh....?
.

Who the hell knows? The songs you sing are like from the 30s or 40s. No one knows what they sound like anyway...no one would know if you're butchering a song or if the songs were really that bad back in the black and white days...

Try singing some N'Sync so we can judge more accurately...

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 16:09

Who the hell knows? The songs you sing are like from the 30s or 40s. No one knows what they sound like anyway...no one would know if you're butchering a song or if the songs were really that bad back in the black and white days...

Try singing some N'Sync so we can judge more accurately...
N'Sync???!! Is that like the kitchen sink??

And you've thrown the gauntlet here, you young pup.

Next time we're KTV'ing I'm gonna INSIST you sing - lets see what your catterwauling is gonna sound. And I'm gonna be laffing my ass off when you completely embarrass yourself with your - as usual - off-key, off timed destruction of ANY song you wail out.

Yeah!!

SEAj

SE Asia Joe

09-30-09, 16:18

Yes, oysters get grilled over a fire (dunno how many degrees, never stuck my hand in one, LOL) but you gotta remember that oysters are reasonably large and thick. And they are in their shells, so they are cooked more than they are grilled directly. Maybe not 100% safe, if you look at it that way. I don't wanna scare anyone. I eat oysters freely in CP.

The rest of the BBQ items are, as has been pointed out, about as safe as food can get. BBQ'ed food that is charred is carcinogenic, but that's another discussion. You are much more likely to get sick from eating food inside a restaurant. I guess BBQ scares so many people because it LOOKS so low-end.

Although... meat is quite expensive in China (relatively speaking), and yet meat items at BBQ stalls are still pretty cheap. That is because...
that is because.... they never pay/pay only cheap rent at those street side stalls where the food on display gets totally caked by the exhaust fumes, dirt and crap.

Another GREAT street side/el-cheapo food is the Ma Lat Tang (how ever the hell it's pinyin spelled) where the guys/gals dip in their crap meat and whatever in that boiling mud water in the middle of the table where they sit around on their li'l stools. Really tasty and GREAT in the winter!!

And howzabout that GREAT Chiu Chow el-cheapo place in Mu Lan that your girl friend and favorite mommie took us to?? That was also GREAT and extremely tasty. Nice condiment and spices from all that dirt thrown on the food hanging all day long on the street!!

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48

09-30-09, 16:27

Eddie Eddie Eddie.... you SURE it was the oysters??

You're not a discerning diner and as far as I remember, you told me you love dining at the Y...... didn't you? DIDN't YOU??!!

SEajSeaj,

Yes Mr Joe, the oyster that the only thing I ate, I was sick 15 min later and I don't get sick easy when I travel.

Fast Eddie 48

Sound7

09-30-09, 22:34

Did you smell the oyster before eating it ? Did it smell fresh ?

Just like a pussy, it has to be fresh and from a clean water bay.

Sick after 15 minutes after eating is a good indication. Bad oysters.

Seaj,

Yes Mr Joe, the oyster that the only thing I ate, I was sick 15 min later and I don't get sick easy when I travel.

Fast Eddie 48

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 03:00

Bnlee2

10-01-09, 03:46

Confessions time!!

I actually prefer Hong Kong type "western steak" better than the classic "juicy U.S. Morton's type," or even "Lawry's Prime Rib" ones. The way steak is presented Stateside/styled - basically without much treatment/condiments except aging the beef - is just a bit un-exciting to me and usually comes out too hard/chewy for this rice eating/soft food faddie. Even Wagyu beef and I remember the couple or so times I ate it, actual Kobe beef. I like it that in hong Kong style steaks, they most times get the cheapest steer, or even cow grade beef, tenderize the damn thing half to death and then cook it smothered in one great tasting sauce or another. THAT.... is what I like!

Well.... the same thing with the CP gals - somehow they ALL seem so much nicer, so much more as to what I want, so much prettier AND available at the drop of a hat - or my pants! CP gals ARE different!!

Me-thinks it because of the very environment that they're all forced to work under in CP. They go there knowing full well what's in store for them (hey baby - it's the ONLY game in town!), eager to make the fast buck and exit, aware of the sea of competition... but at the same time, really able to make the $$ if they play it smart/compliant - and that is why CP is heaven, made Hong Kong style!!

So next time you get a chance to meet a Hong Kong guy, be nice, say thanks and treat him to a drink or two. Good idea huh??? Especially since I hope to be THE Hong Kong guy you next meet!!

SEAJ

Ps. And for Crissakes - allow the Hong Kong guy to sing at the KTV will ya??!!
SEAJ
eating a piece of meat that is tenderized with chemical or even natural enzymes really taste terrible. I good piece of beef that has been properly aged is the way to go. Aging beef will make it naturally tender. The aging process actually breaks up the heavy muscle tissues so that you can taste the true flavor of the beef. The way some of these restaurant buys cheap beef and uses a lot of chemical or fruit enzymnes to tenderize the beef is crap. You really do not taste the beef. All you taste is the sauce.

As for Kobe or Waygu beef, I still prefer good beef that is properly age to the Kobe or Waygu. As for the kobe or waygu burgers that you pay $30 bucks or more for, I personally think it is crap. After it has been grinded up, anyone telling me that they can taste the difference is pure crap. All they taste is the sauce or added flavoring. As for comparing eating a Hong Kong style steak to a juicy Morton, I would prefer a Morton. If you ever in the states again, find a restaurant that serves "Creekstone" steaks, now that is a steak to absolute die for.

Since this is a mongering site, let me end this comment with the following statement to legitimize this site.

It is almost like tasting the natural flavor of a smooth "white tiger" to a wannabe shaved variety.

AsnDragon

10-01-09, 03:52

No offense SEAJoe, for the comments I am going to make in the next few sentences.

Yes, I think we should thank all those HK mongers that cross the boarder into CP and made it the way it is for the last 2 decades or so. We should thank them because most HK guys are cheap, not all, but most. Their stingy ways and high expectations result in CP being the competitive mongering heaven as we know it today.

But hey, in the very end most CP girls still insist and prefer HK guys in the end. I know there may be a lot of debate on my last comment, but it is true! The reason why they prefer HK mongers is because they are permanently based only a train ride away. What does that mean? Well. It means that if you are a CP girl working in a BBS, Sauna, KTV, Footie etc. You want HK customers in the end, because HK customers will most likely come up at least once a week if not more. This is better for their commission, tips and being able to reach their quota that they are responsible for every month.

Sure many girls like customers that give big tips from big spenders from overseas, but the frequency of HK mongers are the key. These girls are just like every other business, they want return customers. So HK mongers still have the upper hand on things. Even if you want to have a mistress in CP, most girls actually prefer HK mongers as well. They come up once a week and usually no more, since that HK guy usually has a wife at home. They come 4 times a month, which is just right so that the CP girl can ask for gifts and presents that they don't want to spend out of their monthly allowance, which could range from 6000 RMB up to 10, 000 RMB depending on the guy. Most local Chinese wouldn't dare have a mistress in CP, in fear that there could be a conflict that arises from wife seeking out mistress or vice versa. But for now, mistress cannot seek for wife, which is an added safety for HK mongers; therefore, HK mongers are still the number one clientele that have mistresses in CP. If you were anyone else, from Singapore or Taiwan or US, Australia etc, it wouldn't make sense to have a mistress. The plane flight over to CP is way too cumbersome. Tying this back to my point again, most CP girls still like HK mongers because there's a possibility that they can be a mistress and not have to drink, work so hard or lie so much every day. Just 4 times a month.

However, a recent development in keeping mistresses is that most girls I encounter, don't want to become a mistress. The pretty ones feel that they can earn that much just working at a KTV already, so being a mistress and having to stay home and only earn up to 10, 000 RMB at best is a hindrance on their earning potential. So either many of them don't want to be mistresses, or many of them become mistresses and on weekdays work at a BBS, which I had many a few weeks ago.

But regardless, I give my gratitude to the HK mongers that have formed a town who's market fueled by mongers. A town like no other in China! A place where men can live out their fantasies and can feel like a new person- a happier person.

Confessions time!!

I actually prefer Hong Kong type "western steak" better than the classic "juicy U.S. Morton's type," or even "Lawry's Prime Rib" ones. The way steak is presented Stateside/styled - basically without much treatment/condiments except aging the beef - is just a bit un-exciting to me and usually comes out too hard/chewy for this rice eating/soft food faddie. Even Wagyu beef and I remember the couple or so times I ate it, actual Kobe beef. I like it that in hong Kong style steaks, they most times get the cheapest steer, or even cow grade beef, tenderize the damn thing half to death and then cook it smothered in one great tasting sauce or another. THAT.... is what I like!

Well.... the same thing with the CP gals - somehow they ALL seem so much nicer, so much more as to what I want, so much prettier AND available at the drop of a hat - or my pants! CP gals ARE different!!

Me-thinks it because of the very environment that they're all forced to work under in CP. They go there knowing full well what's in store for them (hey baby - it's the ONLY game in town!), eager to make the fast buck and exit, aware of the sea of competition... but at the same time, really able to make the $$ if they play it smart/compliant - and that is why CP is heaven, made Hong Kong style!!

So next time you get a chance to meet a Hong Kong guy, be nice, say thanks and treat him to a drink or two. Good idea huh??? Especially since I hope to be THE Hong Kong guy you next meet!!

SEAJ

Ps. And for Crissakes - allow the Hong Kong guy to sing at the KTV will ya??!!

Fast Eddie 48

10-01-09, 04:10

Confessions time!

I actually prefer Hong Kong type "western steak" better than the classic "juicy USA Morton's type, " or even "Lawry's Prime Rib" ones. The way steak is presented Stateside/styled. Basically without much treatment/condiments except aging the beef. Is just a bit un-exciting to me and usually comes out too hard/chewy for this rice eating/soft food faddie. Even Wagyu beef and I remember the couple or so times I ate it, actual Kobe beef. I like it that in Hong Kong style steaks, they most times get the cheapest steer, or even cow grade beef, tenderize the damn thing half to death and then cook it smothered in one great tasting sauce or another. THAT. Is what I like!

Well. The same thing with the CP gals. Somehow they ALL seem so much nicer, so much more as to what I want, so much prettier AND available at the drop of a hat. Or my pants! CP gals ARE different!

Me-thinks it because of the very environment that they're all forced to work under in CP. They go there knowing full well what's in store for them (hey baby. It's the ONLY game in town! ), eager to make the fast buck and exit, aware of the sea of competition. But at the same time, really able to make the $$ if they play it smart/compliant. And that is why CP is heaven, made Hong Kong style!

So next time you get a chance to meet a Hong Kong guy, be nice, say thanks and treat him to a drink or two. Good idea huh? Especially since I hope to be THE Hong Kong guy you next meet!

SEAJ

Ps. And for Crissakes. Allow the Hong Kong guy to sing at the KTV will ya? !
To SEAJ,

Have you ever try the Fast Eddie type of beef, next time you come to California I have a big slap of meat just for you.

Fast Eddie 48

Admin

10-01-09, 05:55

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SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 10:17

No offense SEAJoe, for the comments I am going to make in the next few sentences.

Yes, I think we should thank all those HK mongers that cross ................on.

No offense whatsoever. It’s only an opinion and actually quite a valid one in some respects. As such, I hope you guys here will also NOT take offense at my next few sentences/posts; I have lots of good friends that are foreigners from all over the place – U.S. Canada, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan etc and previous actual conversations I’d had with them had always been accompanied by lots of laughter and merriment – as indeed such a discussion can AND should – only be.

OK, first of all, I certainly do NOT agree with your characterization that HK guys are CHEAP or stingy! WOT?!! I’d rather characterize HK guys as being smart and aware in being able to spot bargains, good deals…. and great gals! No, HK guys are NOT cheap as they will pay whatever the going rate is – no matter how high – IF such product or services has the intrinsic value. And this is why the gals, mommies, mgrs etc are always refining “their offerings” and making sure that it passes the intrinsic value test. And that is why you guys gotta be grateful that us HK guys come up to CP! Variety, fresh products and services, value for money.

And let’s face it, us HK guys range from those who are on the lower end of the earning scale to those with real “Buying Power” - to go along with our demands for intrinsic value. Result – a wide range of products, all priced correctly and fairly.

Errrr… HK guys MADE CP the mongering paradise it is!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 10:52

OK, now here comes my opinion, analysis and generalization of other foreigners who makes up/complement the mongering hordes into CP. And here I really really ask you to take it all with a large grain of salt and a huge pinch of humour – for they’re nothin’ than my idiotic opinions AND my love of yanking the chain of any other guys!

But since AsnDragon offered his opinion of us HK guys, then perhaps its worth it for us to also examine who the other mongers to CP are. I’d like to offer my analysis opionions in order for YOU yourself to figure out what kind of a monger you are – and if perhaps you should take on a different personae/tact?!!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 10:53

Of course my first target are the Singaporean – the city who always like to compare themselves with Hong Kong, but with whom we HK guys really never even give a thought about!! Singaporeans are also keen purveyors of the intrinsic value factor – but there is also their “Kiasu” ethos. For those who don’t know what that means – well, Singaporeans love and take pride in being able to take advantage of situations, places and others – of course all legally and in most cases, with lots of self deprecating humour. That is what Kiasu is.

Well, take the Kiasu ethos into a BBS, a KTV, a sauna and/or other mongering venues – what do we get? A bunch of guys laughing, loud and more concerned about what others in their group think rather than actually getting their intrinsic value! Worse, we have the gals and the mommies etc knowing what these guys are like and getting on their guard when dealing with them. Not a very satisfactory situation for these guys really!

So you guys from Singapore – don’t think so much about Kiasu as much as you should just go ahead and spend the time to spot the good deals.

Look-it – you guys already come 5, 6 hours and mucho S$’s away – forget about Kiasu! And here I’ll cite actual things I’ve seen myself Singaporean guys do – and it’s certainly NOT because they are cheap or stingy or even mean, they just Looooove doing this!! And then telling others about what they’ve been able to get away with!!

** Drinking/eating as much as you can in the KTV (as others are sharing the bill),
** Pulling what I call an AG by just paying the RMB 200 sitting fee to the gal and then going to the night Market for 130 – total RMB 330 instead of RMB 500 if you took the KTV gal,
** Trying to get a blow job, hand job or whatever job from your gal in the KTV toilet to get away with only paying the RMB 200 sitting fee,
** Getting other guys’ KTV gal’s phone number – so that they can call her the next day and bargain the fee lower than the usual RMB 500 S/T fee for a KTV gal as she’ll only be popping him for an hour outside of her KTV working period.
** And of course the Big No-No – bringing in their own lunch box to the KTV and the ONLY reason is that they are saving $$ doing so. OK, I can accept and I also many times do it myself - bringing in my own lunch box; but the reason is NOT to just save money – lots of other reasons as had been discussed before.

How much are you guys really gonna save doing all that – too much trouble and too little money compared to what it cost you to come over all the way to CP!! Be a bit more “Tai fong” /Big about it all and less about taking advantage of everything – and I can pretty well assure you that you‘ll all enjoy yourself lots more in CP.

Just IMHO – AND without any malice whatsoever…. Please!! Peace??!!!

SEAJ

Bigboobman007

10-01-09, 11:00

Just came back from CA/CP trip. Spent 3 days in CA and 3 days(too long) in CP (sorry CP fans). CA is still better for me. This trip went to Ji An (after being recommended by the manager of the hotel I was staying at who told me their girls have improved) and Century Flower n at least 10 saunas. Some bonks, some just visit. Ji An girls are maybe 6-7/10 while Century Flower are 6-8/10. Ji An is, by the way, the first naked ktv in CA. In terms of theme, room and price, century win hands down. Century was having the airlines theme and the gals are wearing sexy stewardess constumes. Not as sexy as the bikini costumes they had a while back. Playability (read-naked dance, games, groping etc) both places are about the same. The only thing Ji An is better at is that the gals are 2-5-8 vs 2-6-8 in Century. Unluckily for me, I took back an unfriendly (1st time for me in CA as the gals here are well known to be friendlier than CP gals) gal from Ji An who fooled me enough to believe she would be a good bonk while we were playing in the KTV. 1 bonk and sent her back. Evrything is normal in CA. at least 90%. When the sauna are showing fishbowl topless parade, then it's 100%.

By the way, Mayflower sucks!

Bob Builder

10-01-09, 11:08

SEAJ
eating a piece of meat that is tenderized with chemical or even natural enzymes really taste terrible. I good piece of beef that has been properly aged is the way to go. Aging beef will make it naturally tender. The aging process actually breaks up the heavy muscle tissues so that you can taste the true flavor of the beef. The way some of these restaurant buys cheap beef and uses a lot of chemical or fruit enzymnes to tenderize the beef is crap. You really do not taste the beef. All you taste is the sauce.

As for Kobe or Waygu beef, I still prefer good beef that is properly age to the Kobe or Waygu. As for the kobe or waygu burgers that you pay $30 bucks or more for, I personally think it is crap. After it has been grinded up, anyone telling me that they can taste the difference is pure crap. All they taste is the sauce or added flavoring. As for comparing eating a Hong Kong style steak to a juicy Morton, I would prefer a Morton. If you ever in the states again, find a restaurant that serves "Creekstone" steaks, now that is a steak to absolute die for.

Since this is a mongering site, let me end this comment with the following statement to legitimize this site.

It is almost like tasting the natural flavor of a smooth "white tiger" to a wannabe shaved variety.

So you like your steaks pumped full of antibiotics and bred standing in their own crap instead of marinated to that mushy consistancy that we all love from a HK style steak house like that institution "Boston". Cooking Wagu or Kobe like a normal steak is a waste of time as it tastes like a normal steak, IMHO. Not a fan of subsidized corn fed US beef as I find that buttery texture that people love is too mushy as well. Better to eat grass fed from somewhere like Australia where the meat has some texture to it.

Obviously there is no one actually in CP or else they wouldn't wasting their time commenting here.

Just got back from the Pink apartments in SZ there were about 30 gals working in the usual place near the back of the village. Quoted 150 in house, 200 take out. Buddy picked a Wunan gal with curvy figure. Asked her if she got busted in the big raid and she said that he just got back from home and was away when it happened. The place is too open for my taste during the day like a mini Sa Zui in the good old days. There is some attraction to picking a gal from a dark alley.

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 11:11

Third group of guys?? Those from Malaysia and Indonesia.

Unfortunately, the gals/mommies etc many times cannot tell the difference between Singaporeans and Malaysians/Indonesian and these guys gets tarred with the same brush.

Unfortunate as IMHO, the Malaysian/Indonesian guys are a helluva lot more gentle, generous and VERY unfortunately - are push-overs!!

The way I figure it – it’s because most of the guys coming to CP from there are ethnically Chinese – but they’ve lived all their lives under a certain amount of pressure and actual bigotry in their own country where they are a minority. All of a sudden, they’re now “home” and feeling ever so free.

Right away they discover the gals of CP – WOW, SOOOO beautiful – and of course they are!! These guys are used to the ethnic Chinese in their own countries who’s gone generally darker (under the tropical sun), fatter (eating all that greasy Indo/Malay/Nonja food) and taken on some of the mores, features, characteristics AND personality of their native sisters. And oh never mind about the native Malayan/Indonesian/Indian population in their countries compared to OUR Chinese beauties!!

Feeling free in their native land, all that beauty, lots of $$ in their pockets AND a roaring hard-on!! And what do we get?? PUSH-OVERS!! Fleeced, taken advantage of and all along still all starry eyed with their doe eyed beauties!! And these guys are such nice guys that instead of getting all mad, all they talk about is how unfortunate these gals are, how they wish they could do more for them, how they can be nicer to their gal!! Holy Shitting Geronimo!!

Nice guys – but come on – smell the coffee!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 11:28

Taiwanese guys!!! HKG guy’s WORST competition in the pussy – and I guess also other – markets!!

Taiwanese guys – speaks the language fluently, knows all the places, all the players, all the prices, loves to party and Live Big (that’s a “Meat Loaf”-errism in case you’re wondering) – pretty well like the locals/native Chinese. But one BIG difference – Lotsa of $$ for soooooo many years in China vs. the locals who’ve only lately come of age financially so to call.

They’re used to be demi-Gods when they’re barking out their orders in the factories – so what’s the difference at a mongering venue??!! And they’re used to having hundreds, thousand, zillions workers at their factories – all easily replaceable if anyone dare to not live up to THEIR standards. AGAIN – what’s so different at a KTV, a sauna etc?!

The gals all love the $$$ from the Taiwanese punters – but really dread what all they got to do to make the $$. Taiwanese Love to throw their $$ around – but that is what is expected amongst the Taiwan community if you are gonna be belongin’. And they ARE great KTV partners – as the gals, mommies etc are always on their best behaviour anytime a Taiwanese party. But all hell breaks loose when there are any problems with what they perceive as being a lack of service, face or even quality.

Unlike HKG guys who only seek intrinsic value, Taiwanese guys demand AND get intrinsic value!! But anybody that wants to emulate these guys…. You’d better come prepared with real back-up instead of just bravado!!

My hat’s off always to Taiwanese guys – hell, I’d not dare to not take off my hat when with a Taiwanese monger!! Ha ha ha!!

SEAJ

Bigboobman007

10-01-09, 11:32

So there's talks about Saunas, KTVs BBS, but not much about foot massages. Well while most foot massages are "real" foot massage places-actually massaging and helping customer relax, there are "sleazy" foot massage places in CP as well. Yes. CP is the land of. You can get whatever type of fantasy you want.

I came across Ri He foot massage. I'm not sure if I spelled the Chinese correct. But it is located in the same building as McDonalds in HaiXia (? ) Now, this is an info I am really glad somebody is sharing. Thanks AsnDragon. 1 of the reason I prefer CA over CP is the dirty footie and I'm sure many other bros feel the same. I actually passed by this place while going to Haixia Hotel for Sauna (after Silver Spring in Dalang gals cant make it for me) but wouldnt even thought of steppin in because i didnt know there is a dirty footie place in CP!!

For cheaper Sauna in CP, you can check out Walter Hotel (opposite Huihua) for 400/500 rmb all in if u call in advance. Even if u dont, there is always a sauna manager waiting at the lobby asking u to book from him/her. u just have to wait for about 10 min.

When I read that there is a good sauna place someone is keeping mum on purpose, it just breaks my heart cause I am a sauna freak. Nothing makes me happier than being in a sauna. I love sauna gals. Sauna is the greatest invention of all time. ok that's enough. Would the bro kindly share where this place is at???

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 11:32

I Waterloo

10-01-09, 13:00

Dear Gentleman, SE Asia Joe,

Please, do not make some useless posts.

Jackson told us that:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Why do you step aside fron Usbomber123?

Defend yourself, Gentleman.

Meiguoguizi

10-01-09, 15:54

OK you guys - fire away!! I'm going for dinner!!

And since most of you guys are foreigners yourself - howzabout YOUR take on the mongers from your own part of the world.... including yourself!!!

Hahah

SEAJ

Ps. I need to learn from you guys/change my modus operandi - Im the only on here that ain't getting no pussy on National day!! Wasting my time typing away instead

You can spot the rare American in the KTV by his dazed and confused look, his pathetic mandarin, his enormous stomach, his horrendous singing voice, his selection of the ugliest girl in the lineup, his bizarre desire to dance, and his ignorance of the market by paying too much.

I'm interested in the SEAJ critique of Korean and Japanese mongers in CP.

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 16:36

Oh WOW!!! I guess they're at CP too ain't they?

But they're ever so polite, so low profile, so wanting very much NOT to have anybody pay attention to them and/or raise the ire of the Locals, so aware of the nationalistic feelings that a lot of Locals have against people of their Nationality - that I really never even thought about the Japanese mongers in CP. But then.... I have seen them at the japanese restaurants and also at the Miraton. But I ain't seen 'em at the BBS's, the KTV's or the saunas. But surely they go somewhere?! And I'm sure they've got their own "watering spots" Anybody got any opinions/info on 'em?

And God knows about the Koreans - are they really here too?

The only Koreans I know of are the BSD quartet from New York/Jersey - not really native Koreans. Great big drinkers, Wild partier, and Nice nice guys! But they blend right in with the rest of us - apart from their really huge capacity for liquor and their clear disregard of any spending limitations. True BSD's - but who don't flaunt it at all.

You guys got your views on nationalities/groups of people? Especially who in your estimations are the guys who gets the most fun/bang for their bucks?
Wanna emulate these guys!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 17:04

But hey, in the very end most CP girls still insist and prefer HK guys in the end. I know there may be a lot of debate on my last comment, but it is true! The reason why they prefer HK mongers is because they are permanently based only a train ride away. What does that mean? Well. It means that if you are a CP girl working in a BBS, Sauna, KTV, Footie etc. You want HK customers in the end, because HK customers will most likely come up at least once a week if not more. This is better for their commission, tips and being able to reach their quota that they are responsible for every month.

Sure many girls like customers that give big tips from big spenders from overseas, but the frequency of HK mongers are the key. These girls are just like every other business, they want return customers. So HK mongers still have the upper hand on things. Even if you want to have a mistress in CP, most girls actually prefer HK mongers as well. They come up once a week and usually no more, since that HK guy usually has a wife at home. They come 4 times a month, which is just right so that the CP girl can ask for gifts and presents that they don't want to spend out of their monthly allowance, which could range from 6000 RMB up to 10, 000 RMB depending on the guy. ......for now, mistress cannot seek for wife, which is an added safety for HK mongers; therefore, HK mongers are still the number one clientele that have mistresses in CP. If you were anyone else, from Singapore or Taiwan or US, Australia etc, it wouldn't make sense to have a mistress. The plane flight over to CP is way too cumbersome. Tying this back to my point again, most CP girls still like HK mongers because there's a possibility that they can be a mistress and not have to drink, work so hard or lie so much every day. Just 4 times a month.

However, a recent development in keeping mistresses is that most girls I encounter, don't want to become a mistress. The pretty ones feel that they can earn that much just working at a KTV already, so being a mistress and having to stay home and only earn up to 10, 000 RMB at best is a hindrance on their earning potential. So either many of them don't want to be mistresses, or many of them become mistresses and on weekdays work at a BBS, which I had many a few weeks ago.

But regardless, I give my gratitude to the HK mongers that have formed a town who's market fueled by mongers. A town like no other in China! A place where men can live out their fantasies and can feel like a new person- a happier person.
Damn AsnDragon - now you've gone and done it!!

You've realy Pricked my over inflated ego that KNEW for sure that the CP gals all luv' me because of my debonair ways and superior sexual technique/prowess.

Now you're telling me that it's only because I am a regular and dependable pay packet for them??!! Nuthin' but an old money bags??!

Shit shit and double shit!!

Good reminder to me though - for right now, at present, at this very momento, I'm grappling with pleas and enticements and tears from 2 - yup, that's TWO - separate gals who wants me to "keep her." Yes, yes, of course I know that I ain't gonna do it, not either one - but your post has really hit it home for me.

So, there's gonna be two li'l gals in CP who's gonna be out lookin' for another "sponsor."

Any of you guys up for it??

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-01-09, 19:10

To SEAJ,

Have you ever try the Fast Eddie type of beef, next time you come to California I have a big slap of meat just for you.

Fast Eddie 48

Oh jeez..... another Freudian slip here!!

I guess you've really really been wanting to SLAP me all this time huh?

For always yanking your chains, haven't you??!!

But I'll take it at face value and look forward to savoring your SLAB of meat!!

Bon appetit!

Thanks!!

Kow Bow

10-01-09, 20:06

"Maybe" we are entering a phase of transparency, but it seems the votes are "nay". So much for it then.

And it's SHIFU, not SEE-FU. At worst it's SIFU (Cantonese spelling). At least get your terminology right if you want to mock someone with it.The problem with writing instead of talking is that the intentions of the writer are sometimes lost. Wadman, I have PM'd you to nip any misunderstandings in the bud.

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 01:24

Seajoe,

Sorry to burst your ego. But I'm sure those two CP little girls are genuine. Genuinely want your wallet. Haha. I did not think that you would ever commit to sponsoring a girl anyhow, as it would ruin your definition of fun= having a variety of different girls and the conquest of finding the best package with a true white tiger.

Sponsoring these girls make CP not fun anymore. The reason why we come to CP is so we can have variety, and not have anyone to tie us down so that we can live the fantasy that we've always dreamed of. Can you imagine, having a significant other where you are based out of, and having to avoid her to go to CP and then in CP just when you thought you would have the time of your life, you end up bringing another headache at hand to try to avoid the "sponsored" girl also. It's a double whammy. Even if you didn't have a significant other, sponsoring girls are just troublesome. There's a question of loyalty, and also whether or not it is worth it or not. Ultimately I think women in general are all the same, regardless if they are a working girl or not. They want a guy to only have them in their lives and no other women.

True story- I met a BBS girl last week, who was gorgeous. Someone from North America "sponsored" her and actually lived with her in CP 24/7. He paid for all her daily expenses, gave her monthly allowance and goes home to sleep with her each night. However, this guy goes out and fucks a different girl every day, and lets his "sponsored" girl know that he's out there getting new pussy every day. This girl, although she really liked him, didn't like the fact that he's out there fucking a different girl all the time. She felt marginalized and felt he was being insincere. As a result, she left him, despite all the money she could have gotten from him per month. She even admitted that nobody has treated her so well before in her entire life, but ultimately left because she could not stand him going out there to do so many other different girls. Moral of the story- girls are territorial and jealous beings. The lighter the atmosphere you monger in, the better off you'll end up being. If you put in emotions and make it too serious then mongering becomes a dating scene and dating scenes always end up messy.

Not to mention the ease these days for Mainland girls to get visas to go to HK, can you imagine the trouble and hell they could potentially cause for you HK mongers? Tremendous trouble! You know how the saying goes, "there's nothing like a women's scorn"

AsnDragon

Damn AsnDragon - now you've gone and done it!!

You've realy Pricked my over inflated ego that KNEW for sure that the CP gals all luv' me because of my debonair ways and superior sexual technique/prowess.

Now you're telling me that it's only because I am a regular and dependable pay packet for them??!! Nuthin' but an old money bags??!

Shit shit and double shit!!

Good reminder to me though - for right now, at present, at this very momento, I'm grappling with pleas and enticements and tears from 2 - yup, that's TWO - separate gals who wants me to "keep her." Yes, yes, of course I know that I ain't gonna do it, not either one - but your post has really hit it home for me.

So, there's gonna be two li'l gals in CP who's gonna be out lookin' for another "sponsor."

Any of you guys up for it??

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 01:36

Bigboobman,

It was good to finally meet you in person. But you forgot to disclose that you ONLY like girls with ridiculously big Boobs. Which, I think Saunas are the only places that you can visually choose the biggest boobs who can give decent to good service. With those criteria, big boobs and good service, only saunas can give you that consistently. BBS. At times, KTV's-big boobs but usually no service.

If you want another sleazy foot massage place, go to JinDiLi (? )? A foot massage directly across the train station-They do sleazy too, but mostly HJ's. Clipper has sleazy FS as well. I'll give you the details on that if you PM me. Oops. Am I being overly secretive here? I hope I'm not going to get flamed for it.

How was the sauna is da lang? My favorite for now is still Prince Hotel in Huang Jiang. They consistently have larger and prettier overall selection of Sauna girls. I have the manager if you need their contact. Just PM me for it. If you do some research, Tangxia Sangem Hotel Sauna, from what has been posted previously, have sauna girls that will do bareback with you, whom are certified to be disease free. Now this seems like the most ridiculous and dangerous thing to do IMHO, but they do have that service for a premium price. How do they certify they are disease free? I have NO idea, China always has a way to certify something, even if it's not TRUE.

AsnDragon

Now, this is an info I am really glad somebody is sharing. Thanks AsnDragon. 1 of the reason I prefer CA over CP is the dirty footie and I'm sure many other bros feel the same. I actually passed by this place while going to Haixia Hotel for Sauna (after Silver Spring in Dalang gals cant make it for me) but wouldnt even thought of steppin in because i didnt know there is a dirty footie place in CP!!

For cheaper Sauna in CP, you can check out Walter Hotel (opposite Huihua) for 400/500 rmb all in if u call in advance. Even if u dont, there is always a sauna manager waiting at the lobby asking u to book from him/her. u just have to wait for about 10 min.

When I read that there is a good sauna place someone is keeping mum on purpose, it just breaks my heart cause I am a sauna freak. Nothing makes me happier than being in a sauna. I love sauna gals. Sauna is the greatest invention of all time. ok that's enough. Would the bro kindly share where this place is at???

Chang Ping

10-02-09, 04:36

of course my first target are the singaporean –
just imho – and without any malice whatsoever…. please!! peace??!!!

seajjoe,

i understand generalisms but am surprised that with your wisdom you posted something like this. there are some topics and some things that should not be said or at least presented in a manner that will likely incite negative responses.

covering it with "just imho – and without any malice whatsoever.. please! peace? ! " doesn't absolve anyone from committing or saying things that are just plain wrong.

an extreme example would be someone who commits [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or murder and announces that there was no malice to it. not the same but you get my drift.

i am not flaming you because i know you and genuinely believe there is no malice intended but because i know you i am also sharing this piece of advise that i hope you reflect and take in the right spirit.

i enjoy your posts which are for the most part humourous and adds life to this forum (cannot imagine this thread without your post really)

just. be a bit more circumspect about what you post please.

Fast Eddie 48

10-02-09, 04:52

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 04:53

I know this isn't the best representation of why Dongguan girls are the best choices within China. But, it indicates that if you were given all the choices of different girls in different parts of China, Dongguan still has this infectious ability to lure guys in to "sponsor" girls in Dongguan as their mistress.

Perhaps Dongguan girls have more skill, or something about the environment there allows them to fine-tune their skills to latch onto a Monger and convince him to "sponsor" them.

See the attached article below, an excerpt from a China Girl blog about a heartless Singaporean guy. This article was published on the straits times:

See below (The article has broken english as it was written by a China girl):

Of China girl blogs about a heartless singaporean guy

[Saturday, January 03, 2009 | 4 comments]

A heartless Singapore Guy: A China girl blogs about a heartless Singaporean guy by the name of Kelvin Ching Hiang Lye.

" 2004 Feb Kelvin first meets me at Tiananmen night club when he was working in the OCBC as a trader. I was popular girl in the Tiananmen. Kelvin start chases me after that which he become a regular customer until today.

Sep 2006 I have pregnancy but Kelvin give up his baby even he is Christian.

May 2007 Kelvin was hired by RBS and transfer to HK. I found him enjoy the night club in HK because all the girls can go out have sex and paid by company.

2008 after few times having fun in Dongguan Kelvin adopts a 17 years old girl and gives her house in Shenzhen so he easily transform from HK. Kelvin start reject me visit him in HK and lied to me which company will transfer him to London and company give him three years employee pass in London. Actually he already back in Singapore.

July 2008 Kelvin scold to me "frog off" when I found him in his office One Raffles Quay, he never fell any guilt when I decide to give up all the things include youth, money, friends, study and baby. He has no any reason dumped me without any responsibility in nearly 5 years. I can not believe the man changed from bought 1 carat diamond ring to scold me even want me to die"

AsnDragon

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 06:10

For cheaper Sauna in CP, you can check out Walter Hotel (opposite Huihua) for 400/500 rmb all in if u call in advance. Even if u dont, there is always a sauna manager waiting at the lobby asking u to book from him/her. u just have to wait for about 10 min.

JUst in case you guys forgotten - the footie at the Walter is also where you can get 'dirty' footsies. They've got these single rooms where the gals will usually entice you to partake of their ''service."

Couple times or so I've succumbed to their charms.... and have regretted it!
Once when the gal told me how great her BBBJ is, how ALL her customers rave about her BBBJ, how most guys choose her on referrals because of her superior BBBJ skills etc..... Well.... One great big disappointment.

And by the way, she had originally asked for RMB 200, but as I really was not all that interested, managed to get her down to RMB 100! But then again, she didn't return my RMB 2 change from the RMB 100 note I gave to pay the RMB 98 regular bill. The Li'l thief!!

Moi! The real BSD huh?!

SEAJ

Ps. or was it RMB 2 change from the RMB 50 note I gave to pay the RMB 48 regular bill. forgot... 'Twas a while back

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 06:48

Seajoe,

I'll have to tell you, that the group of taiwanese that you have described, don't really come to CP as often as you think. Right now as I know it, there is a split between which Taiwanese go to those KTVs and mongering venues and they are as follows:

1. The Rich Taiwanese Factory owners that have been in DG for a long time. They usually locate themselves in the worse DG towns like Houjie, dongken, Tangxia etc. They throw big money around because they literally live and work in those crappy towns and have nothing to do except go to these KTV places (Houjie some would argue is nice, but since it's not accessible by any ship or train, I find it to be crap! ) I would know because I was in Tangxia witnessing the horrors of their spending habits. Unlike the HK mongers that have a home back in HK, where they can normalize their lives and feel at "home" and find other things to do for a few days before coming back to DG for more rounds of mongering, taiwanese factory owners have basically committed themselves to live like a local, but deprive themselves of any indulgence being so far away from home. They are the group that girls really like because they tip well and come almost every other day after work. To iterate how much these guys spend, I'll give you an example. The factory owner is so bored in the DG town they live in, that he actually goes to KTVs every day. Since there no other mongers they can hook up with, the taiwanese factory owner pays for all of his middle to upper management employees to come and party with him, which he pays for the whole KTV costs and at times, not all the time, pays for the employee's girl's sitting fees. Hell, there's this guy in Tangxia when I was there a few years back, who was a taiwanese factory owner, and he would get the biggest KTV room and pay every KTV to come into his room and sit with him. There was over 200 girls that night and he paid each one 200 RMB. The outlandish and often times gutsy bravery in their spending habits were absurd.

2. The other type of taiwanese are the ones that visit CP in tour buses. These are the local joes of taiwan- whether they be taxi drivers, blue collar workers or the likes, they come over in tour groups coming in on the cheap and spending on the cheap as well. They basically ruin the image of taiwanese as they are cheap and still demand good service. They are loud and hell breaks loose when they feel a little bit dissatisfied, but they are lousy tippers and not very cultured. They are the group that make CP girls NOT like Taiwanese.

I would assume that SEAJoe is referring to the first group of guys, which are heavy drinkers, heavy smokers and high rollers.

In fact I would even go as far as to say that the houjie market is completely ruined because of Taiwanese mongers. They have single handedly pushed the envelope so high up there that girl's expectations are higher due to the way those taiwanese up there throw money around. But if you think taiwanese in DG throw money around like crazy, try going up to near shanghai in Kunshan area near Suzhou, where Taiwanese there go insane with their spending habits!

So at times, Taiwanese and HK mongers are in often conflicts with each other. HK mongers want to maintain price point to be affordable in the DG area. Whereas Taiwanese don't mind paying extra if the service is REALLY good, which indirectly increases the girl's expectations for tips and extras. In my experience, you ask a HK guy, they don't like Taiwanese because they ruin the market for them, and if you ask a Taiwanese they don't like HK people cause they view them as being cheap. This is all from my experience with dealing with HK and Taiwanese mongers all around DG in the past 6-7 years. That is my personal opinion. If you are HK or Taiwanese and want to flame me, then bring it on!

AsnDragon

Taiwanese guys!!! HKG guy’s WORST competition in the pussy – and I guess also other – markets!!

Taiwanese guys – speaks the language fluently, knows all the places, all the players, all the prices, loves to party and Live Big (that’s a “Meat Loaf”-errism in case you’re wondering) – pretty well like the locals/native Chinese. But one BIG difference – Lotsa of $$ for soooooo many years in China vs. the locals who’ve only lately come of age financially so to call.

They’re used to be demi-Gods when they’re barking out their orders in the factories – so what’s the difference at a mongering venue??!! And they’re used to having hundreds, thousand, zillions workers at their factories – all easily replaceable if anyone dare to not live up to THEIR standards. AGAIN – what’s so different at a KTV, a sauna etc?!

The gals all love the $$$ from the Taiwanese punters – but really dread what all they got to do to make the $$. Taiwanese Love to throw their $$ around – but that is what is expected amongst the Taiwan community if you are gonna be belongin’. And they ARE great KTV partners – as the gals, mommies etc are always on their best behaviour anytime a Taiwanese party. But all hell breaks loose when there are any problems with what they perceive as being a lack of service, face or even quality.

Unlike HKG guys who only seek intrinsic value, Taiwanese guys demand AND get intrinsic value!! But anybody that wants to emulate these guys…. You’d better come prepared with real back-up instead of just bravado!!

My hat’s off always to Taiwanese guys – hell, I’d not dare to not take off my hat when with a Taiwanese monger!! Ha ha ha!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 07:05

Don't know much about Korean Mongers. However, Japanese mongers are usually off the wall perverted. (The word perverted can be interpreted in many ways, depending on your level of perversion) However, two stories that I've heard about Japanese Mongers. Japanese Mongers are usually well known to be BIG spenders and very generous with their tips. Which I think the Taiwanese learned from and instilled that behavior in their culture, being colonized by them for so many years in the past--IMHO.

Story #1- A Japanese guy goes to a KTV and takes her back to his hotel room. He takes a stack of 10, 000 RMB and throws them on the carpet. Spreading them out on the ground so there's only 2-3 layers of 100 RMB throughout the carpet. He directs the girl to get fully naked. He tells her that she can have all the money that's on the ground, all she needs to do is pick up each 100 RMB up using her pussy lips. No hand, feet or anything else is allowed to be used. ONLY her pussy is allowed to be used in picking up these 100 RMB bills. The Japanese guy gets a kick out of just watching her pick each bill up using her pussy. Bizarre, but I thought I sounded funny when the girl told me about this event. The crazy thing is, I can actually see this event happening when she told me about it.

Story #2- I go to a Sauna, and I start some small talk with the girl. She's a hot 9.5 on everything- attitude, body, face- from Shan dong 5 feet 7 inches. Anyhow, I asked her if there are any customers that ever give her trouble. She says, usually all the customers are pretty polite. BUT, she encountered a really bizarre and perverted old Japanese guy. She said that he requested that she kept all her clothes on. He only wanted to do her, without showering, with her clothes on. He didn't even want to take away the panties, he just wanted to pull the panties to the side while he inserts and does his business. I didn't think it was too weird of a request, but apparently this freaked out the sauna girl.

All all Japanese monger that go to CP or DG perverted- probably not all. But I'm just listing two examples of things I've heard from reliable sources that I know. Once again, if you are japanese, don't flame me, I'm just telling stories that I've heard.

AsnDragon

Oh WOW!!! I guess they're at CP too ain't they?

But they're ever so polite, so low profile, so wanting very much NOT to have anybody pay attention to them and/or raise the ire of the Locals, so aware of the nationalistic feelings that a lot of Locals have against people of their Nationality - that I really never even thought about the Japanese mongers in CP. But then.... I have seen them at the japanese restaurants and also at the Miraton. But I ain't seen 'em at the BBS's, the KTV's or the saunas. But surely they go somewhere?! And I'm sure they've got their own "watering spots" Anybody got any opinions/info on 'em?

And God knows about the Koreans - are they really here too?

The only Koreans I know of are the BSD quartet from New York/Jersey - not really native Koreans. Great big drinkers, Wild partier, and Nice nice guys! But they blend right in with the rest of us - apart from their really huge capacity for liquor and their clear disregard of any spending limitations. True BSD's - but who don't flaunt it at all.

You guys got your views on nationalities/groups of people? Especially who in your estimations are the guys who gets the most fun/bang for their bucks?
Wanna emulate these guys!!

SEAJ

Shibaxian

10-02-09, 07:21

Sorry to interrupt, need help urgently.

My malaysia customers want me to get for them CP Manhattan 'hotel rooms' during canton fair. Can any kind brothers pm me the contact and the charges?

Thanks a lot.

Weelock

10-02-09, 10:53

Japanese monger are very low profile in CP. They might have learned their lessen from their Zhuhai orgy party in 2003 for 3 days. In each room, a guy might have 3 to 4 naked girls. I heard some left their doors opened while doing it in the hotel. There were wild stories of half naked or naked guys and girls running around from room to room. People walking by noticed the action and complained.

In the Zhuhai Japanese orgy, I heard a few Chinese were executed and a few people were jailed for life. Zhuhai was closed ( dried ) for several years. I am sure everyone will be very upset if the same thing happened in CP.

I do see a lot of Japanese in a large groups in Macau. I hope they don't mess things up in Macau too. I was in a sauna in Macau where the girls are free to mix with customers. I a saw a Japanese customer and a girl writing to each other to communicate.

Can BSD organized such a party in one of the hotel for a few hundred ISG in CP ? Just a joke.

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 16:26

Know what - it's really quite fortunate that a lot of "locals" actually consider Chang Ping as being way too low class for them. Seriously!

As an example, I was getting a ride from a golf game with this local property developer business friend of mine. Of course the conversation turned to gals and mongering and I nonchalantly asked him if he goes to CP to screw around. He looked at me, practically in horror, and told me: "Oh no, don't ever go there Joe -that place is really way too class for you and me. Only low class people go there!" Seriously!

And as far as I know, the locals who do go the CP KTV's -they are quite selective and would only go to those they consider worthy and high class enough of their patronage. California Red seems to be their particular favorite in CP.

So my take on this is that the locals who DO patronize the CP KTV's, they are probably NOT the cream of the crop.

So, why do I say it's fortunate that not that many/more higher class locals go to the CP KTV's? Well, if they did all decide that CP IS a good mongering destination for them after all, the prices are all going thru the roof and "Our" gals are all gonna be turning their noses down on us Hong Kong and foreign mongers.

Look at the prices in Shenzhen and Guangzhou - where RMB 300-500 sitting fee is the norm instead of the exception. And those whose gals are 300, well, they'd be like the 1-3-6 places in CP.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 17:10

joe,

i understand generalisms but am surprised that with your wisdom you posted something like this. there are some topics and some things that should not be said or at least presented in a manner that will likely incite negative responses.

covering it with "just imho – and without any malice whatsoever.. please! peace? ! " doesn't absolve anyone from committing or saying things that are just plain wrong.

an extreme example would be someone who commits [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or murder and announces that there was no malice to it. not the same but you get my drift.

i am not flaming you because i know you and genuinely believe there is no malice intended but because i know you i am also sharing this piece of advise that i hope you reflect and take in the right spirit.

i enjoy your posts which are for the most part humourous and adds life to this forum (cannot imagine this thread without your post really)

just. be a bit more circumspect about what you post please.

hey chang ping - when i wrote

"..... i have lots of good friends that are foreigners from all over the place – u.s. canada, singapore, malaysia, taiwan etc and previous actual conversations i’d had with them had always been accompanied by lots of laughter and merriment – as indeed such a discussion can and should – only be......"

at the back of my mind, (amongst other thoughts, persons and considerations), i had the image of my singaporean friends - including you - and their usual jolly selves; personable, easy to be friends with, humorous, able to take jibes and even being self-deprecating when the occasion arises.

what you wrote "....presented in a manner that will likely incite negative responses...." was certainly totally not what i intended, nor could i have even imagined that it would bring such a strong re-action, especially from who i thought was "mr. happy-go-lucky" you, chang ping.

i guess that i am wrong in assuming that you would not get offended and i apologize for that. it's wrong for me to presume that all singaporeans are not all that sensitive about their "image" and would have more confidence in themselves as a person rather than just as a singaporean or a citizen of singapore.

i guess it's because i personally do not have a strong sense of "national pride" as i've lived in too damn many places, call too many places "home" and do not have a particular affinity to one place over another.

and i appreciate you bringing this up - besides apologizing - again - to you and the other singaporeans who may have taken offense with my post.

and since you bring it up - howzabout your take on the singaporean monger in cp?? howzabout you posting up your own opinion piece on you and your fellow country men? i think it would be very interesting and would certainly bring "balance" back.

peace amigo

seaj

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 17:38

Seajoe,

Sorry to burst your ego. But I'm sure those two CP little girls are genuine. Genuinely want your wallet. Haha. I did not think that you would ever commit to sponsoring a girl anyhow, as it would ruin your definition of fun= having a variety of different girls and the conquest of finding the best package with a true white tiger.

Sponsoring these girls make CP not fun anymore. The reason why we come to CP is so we can have variety, and not have anyone to tie us down so that we can live the fantasy that we've always dreamed of. ................... sponsoring girls are just troublesome. There's a question of loyalty, and also whether or not it is worth it or not. Ultimately I think women in general are all the same, regardless if they are a working girl or not. They want a guy to only have them in their lives and no other women.
..................Moral of the story- girls are territorial and jealous beings. The lighter the atmosphere you monger in, the better off you'll end up being. If you put in emotions and make it too serious then mongering becomes a dating scene and dating scenes always end up messy.

Not to mention the ease these days for Mainland girls to get visas to go to HK, can you imagine the trouble and hell they could potentially cause for you HK mongers? Tremendous trouble! You know how the saying goes, "there's nothing like a women's scorn"

AsnDragon
Know what AsnDragon - for a guy as young and as personable as you - you certainly write sensible, sensitive posts!! Love your posts - especially when you remind me when I go off on the deep end.

Actually, keeping a gal is much much more than what we sometimes glibly see it as being. Most of you guys know that I kept a gal for 3 years - and it was quite an experience. You'd think it would have been very much a bitter-sweet thing - but in my estimation, my years with her had actually been 95 sweet and only 5 bitter. And it was 5 bitter only because in the end, we had no choice but to break it up.

Oh, I planned my "sponsorship" very well even before I started and that to me, is the reason why it was as good as it was for me. For example, I kept her at Shataujiao, where I would "come home" to before/after my golf games - but I went all over the place besides STJ without any restraints on my "usual activities."

At STJ, I have lots of guys AND gals friends who kept her busy and of course, kept an eye out for me; not a place where the mongering action is all that rampant and its easy for her to live a 'normal life' - going to school, cooking and keeping the house nice and clean etc etc.

Anyway, for those guys who are contemplating keeping a mistress, I would strongly encourage you to really really give it a thorough thought as to how do so BEFORE you actually keep her. This is crucial if you are going to avoid problems and ensure your satisfaction.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 17:42

Bigboobman,

It was good to finally meet you in person. But you forgot to disclose that you ONLY like girls with ridiculously big Boobs. .....AsnDragon

Yes Yes Yes -

RIDICULOUSLY big boobs!!

Ridiculously!!!!

ROFLMAO!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-02-09, 18:15

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 18:25

SeaJoe,

Haha! You crack me up Joe. Which part of sweden are you from? What do people in sweden eat besides swedish meat balls? Also, what is your swedish/celtic name? A Swedish man who practices tae kwon do and muay thai...hum. Well as i said before Joe and I'll say it again, in CP you can be anyone you want to be. A place where fantasies can be fulfilled.

In that case,My name is AsnDragon, for those of you who want to know me- i'm one of those 52 year old Taiwanese factory owners in CP who come in as a high roller. I have a huge beer belly, 5 feet 4 inches and i practice chi gong using my penis.

Asndragon

Oh Hell... since I'm already in deep doo doo with the Singaporeans anyway, I may as well [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the Taiwanese too and agree wth you AsnDragon.

Yes, we also do have wacko cheap assed Taiwanese regular Joes coming over who start acting as if they're the same Lord and Master as the factory owners in DGG.

And the gals DO hate them - especially since they can never be sure if the particular customer they are then servicing is indeed a Lord and Master or just a wannabe one!! They only find out what their particular customer really is - or is not! - at the end of the session and $$ changes hands - and usually end up really kicking themselves hard when the big tip did not appear!!

I've had lots of conversations w/gals who tells me how rough the Taiwanese are, how haughty and even downright insulting they can be, how they just basically grin and bear their grunting and poking, and how great us Hong Kong guys are in comparison (so THERE!!) - but then again - these ARE gals whose main aim in life is to please me... MOI... SEAJ!! at that very moment - right??!!

Thank God that we don't have too many Taiwanese on ISG - or at least I hope they ain't on here - for I'd hate to get my young ass kicked ..... after the Singaporeans fll\oors me!!

I am SEAJ - And for those who wants to meet me, I am 25 years old, 6'2", 185 lbs, works out daily at the gym and practice tae kwon do/karate Sundays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Thai Kick boxing Mondays and Fridays. I am blue eyed, blond and come from Sweden.

AsnDragon

10-02-09, 18:43

Seajoe,

Well coming from you, I'll take those compliments with honor. This hobby takes a lot of training and learning. From doing this for 6-7 years only, I'm only considered a newbie to many veterans on the board. I've made my fair share of mistakes- putting emotions into places I shouldn't have, and also not knowing how to control situations well. In many ways it SEAjoe is right. It does take careful planning when sponsoring a girl. While many people would think that CP is a great area to sponsor girls, I think otherwise. CP is a unique environment that changes the mentality of both girls and guys. It's a mongering town where the environment instills the thought to the girls that earning money is still the number one priority. That's where I applaud SEA Joe for foreseeing that and putting her up in some place where she can live a more normal lifestyle, not being negatively influenced by her environment. In addition, it's closer to HK as well from what I remember STJ to be. Sometimes you have to take the girl away from CP as it's a bad environment and just the people she hangs out with give her bad ideas and instill ideas that are not conducive to a normal relationship with her.

However, I don't see Sponsoring a girl to ever end up well. Yes in the beginning is always blissful and happy. However as time goes one and she's aging through the years, and she's getting older in age- she wants stability and a husband. A real husband. As I said all girls have the inherent need to find security in a man, a permanent man, a man who has her and ONLY her in her life. That's why I think girls end up being demanding at the end and this ruins the whole facade of a happy sponsorship of the woman. You cannot change the nature of a girl, even if you take her out of CP. They want something that we can never ultimately give them. So in my honest opinion a sponsorship is a brick wall in front you- an inevitable crash and disaster.

I don't mind people sponsoring girls. Girls benefit financially as well. But I feel that it's a waste of time on both ends. Yes, you do carry a deeper emotional connection, but it's like putting a carrot on a stick for the girl. You all know that she's hoping one day you'll marry her and only be with her. But that's something that you can never give. So in essence it's one of those games of deception. Emotionally it ruins both parties. So instead of both parties being ruined, I would avoid it altogether and just go and party like a bachelor.

AsnDragon

Know what AsnDragon - for a guy as young and as personable as you - you certainly write sensible, sensitive posts!! Love your posts - especially when you remind me when I go off on the deep end.

Actually, keeping a gal is much much more than what we sometimes glibly see it as being. Most of you guys know that I kept a gal for 3 years - and it was quite an experience. You'd think it would have been very much a bitter-sweet thing - but in my estimation, my years with her had actually been 95 sweet and only 5 bitter. And it was 5 bitter only because in the end, we had no choice but to break it up.

Oh, I planned my "sponsorship" very well even before I started and that to me, is the reason why it was as good as it was for me. For example, I kept her at Shataujiao, where I would "come home" to before/after my golf games - but I went all over the place besides STJ without any restraints on my "usual activities."

At STJ, I have lots of guys AND gals friends who kept her busy and of course, kept an eye out for me; not a place where the mongering action is all that rampant and its easy for her to live a 'normal life' - going to school, cooking and keeping the house nice and clean etc etc.

Anyway, for those guys who are contemplating keeping a mistress, I would strongly encourage you to really really give it a thorough thought as to how do so BEFORE you actually keep her. This is crucial if you are going to avoid problems and ensure your satisfaction.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

RCA Knight

10-02-09, 19:13

those mean uncivilized mafia looking guys chewing beetle nuts and spitting blood juice and would stab anyone who glance at them, are all taiwanese.

i had a few close calls getting myself killed by these bastards in southern china, including one time very recently, i and a friend walking on street in shenzen and a taiwan beetle nut stepped and bumped into my friend and acted like he owns the road. my friend who is a singaporean simply stared at him, and this beetle nut went berserk, swinging punches at full speed which hit my friend's neck and the beetle nut's other friend took out a hunting knife and tried to swing at me, but missed barely. we ran for our life and glad they did not chase. the whole commotion lasted 15 seconds, but the knife swing at me was a near miss. the chinese bystanders see this as free entertainment.

i could have been killed for what i don't even know what. i now try to avoid all these taiwan beetle nuts men, even in sauna lobby, if i see one i leave.

Kow Bow

10-02-09, 23:30

So guys,

since we're on the topic, I wonder what the girls REALLY think of Korean guys from North America?

AsnDragon

10-03-09, 03:06

rca knight,

you got real lucky. it could have been a close call for you and your friend. word of advice, avoid most of the beetle nut guys! china is ridden with many taiwanese and to some extent hk gangster/mafia guys. i mean if you are in taiwan and you commit a crime, where are you going to go to and hide? china of course! it's the only other place where you can blend into the environment, and you can speak the language there.

there are tons of mafia taiwanese in china now and i would advise to avoid those bettle nut chewing crowd. most of them are trouble. it's almost a test that people need to go through in order to become a taiwanese gangster, you have to know how to chew those beetle nut things. nasty habit, which corrode the teeth and lead to gum cancer, but i guess to the mafia guys. no guts no glory. this is no joke, but back in the days, in the mid-90's, lots of taiwanese gangsters went over to china to start over. they hired shaolin monks that left the monastery, as their personal body guards to protect and rough up the guys they didn't like. these shaolin monks literally could kill you with one strike to the throat. it seems like some movie scene, but in china, anything goes. fiction is a derivative of reality.

china in general is dangerous. be safe, look at potential signs of danger. never try to act tough and realize that money is not worth your life, if they want money just give it on over. someone recently told me that in dg, a hk guy was at an atm with his girl late at night. he was approached by two robbers demanding money from him. when the hk refused, they stabbed him to death. this story i'm sure reoccurs on a weekly or monthly basis. sometimes you need to ask yourself if money, or pride or face is worth getting killed over.

life is worth very little in china. be safe and monger safe!

asndragon

those mean uncivilized mafia looking guys chewing beetle nuts and spitting blood juice and would stab anyone who glance at them, are all taiwanese.

i had a few close calls getting myself killed by these bastards in southern china, including one time very recently, i and a friend walking on street in shenzen and a taiwan beetle nut stepped and bumped into my friend and acted like he owns the road. my friend who is a singaporean simply stared at him, and this beetle nut went berserk, swinging punches at full speed which hit my friend's neck and the beetle nut's other friend took out a hunting knife and tried to swing at me, but missed barely. we ran for our life and glad they did not chase. the whole commotion lasted 15 seconds, but the knife swing at me was a near miss. the chinese bystanders see this as free entertainment.

i could have been killed for what i don't even know what. i now try to avoid all these taiwan beetle nuts men, even in sauna lobby, if i see one i leave.

SE Asia Joe

10-03-09, 03:55

RCA Knight - thanks for your post.

But I'm sorta worried that this may steer this whole discussion into a free-for-all with too strong racist/ethnic overtones which WOULD be unacceptable and will bring certain condemnation.

Chang Ping has kindly and wisely rebuked me for my "what I thought was tongue-in-cheek post on Singaporeans" and I can see how this theme can easily run into trouble.

I certainly don't want anybody to think I'm a know it all, but howzabout my suggestion that we all be a bit mindful of other's feelings before posting and get us all in trouble - OK?

And RCA knight - I hope you don't get upset at me for posting this up since I do see that your post is still quite sensible and written within bounds of acceptability etc - I just don't want other guys to take your lead and lull themselves into thinking that it's ok to write really strident posts against one particular group or another.... And I guess that I am the FIRST guilty party to have dumbly started this! So....

Thanks Y'all

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-03-09, 06:01

This question is to all mongers. Have you ever came across a perfect girl, or shall i say, near perfect girl that you just became some infatuated with? I'm talking mostly the physical appearance of the girl.

Well, on the topic of sponsorship, there's only one girl that I've ever wanted to sponsor. Too bad she changed her phone number and I could never reach her again. It was almost 1 year 3 months ago, when i went to Jiayi KTV, and saw the most perfect girl. Yes...of all places, i found a hot looking girl in Jiayi, which is usually rare, since 90% of their girls are ones i would not consider myself. However, this girl completely caught my eye. I spent 2 nights with her and just could not believe how physically beautiful she was-

-5 foot 4 inches
-size D breasts, on the larger D size. 36
-had creamy smooth skin
-skinny legs, arms and waist, not a single fat on her body except for her rack
-she had cute round eyes, watermelon shaped face.
-Long silky hair
- SHE HAS A WHITE TIGER, not even 1 strand of hair, and you can tell it was NOT SHAVED
- Tight down there and all around.
-Cute smile, those ones with two deep dimples on each side.

Until now I cannot find her. I go back to Jiayi every time to see if she might have popped back up again working there. But each time I am dissapointed. I'm thinking in my head, she MUST have been sponsored. That's the only girl I've met where she was just perfect for me. Perhaps not for all of you out there, but for me, she had the most amazing package I've seen.

There always a girl that comes along that has exactly what you want. But those girls do not come often. Unfortunately, I have not seen a girl quite as perfect in my book. I've seen good ones, but not As good. I'm still in the sea. Fishing.

AsnDragon

RCA Knight. Thanks for your post.

But I'm sorta worried that this may steer this whole discussion into a free-for-all with too strong racist/ethnic overtones which WOULD be unacceptable and will bring certain rebuke.

Chang Ping has kindly and wisely rebuked me for my "what I thought was Tongue in cheek post on Singaporeans" and I can see how this theme can easily run into trouble.

I certainly don't want anybody to think I'm a know it all either but howzabout my suggestion that we all be a bit mindful of other's feelings before posting and get us all in trouble. OK?

And RCA knight. I hope you don't get upset at me for posting this up since I do see that your post is still quite sensible and well written etc. I just don't want other guys to take your lead and lull themselves into thinking that it's ok to write really strident posts against one particular group or another. And I guess that I am the FIRST guilty party to have dumbly started this! So.

Thanks Y'all

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-03-09, 06:21

SE Asia Joe

10-03-09, 06:43

So guys,

since we're on the topic, I wonder what the girls REALLY think of Korean guys from North America?
Errrr...... correct me if I'm wrong.

You've already written in the past that you are Asian - but, specifically, you are a Korean from North America!! Right??!!

I personally have absolutely no idea about how the gals think about you guys. No idea whatsoever, as let's face it - there ain't that many of you guys at CP is there?

So..... howzabout YOUR perspective coming from YOUR side of the equation. Please?!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-03-09, 06:52

Well SeaJoe,

When you reach the age that I am at, being 20 years older than you, eating that whopper is always better than letting the fish go. In my opinion, in life the hardest thing to swallow is regret. When you are at my age you have nothing else to lose. Carpe Diem. Remember, you come into this world with nothing, and you leave this world with nothing. All the wealth or status that you accumulate over the years, is worth nothing in the very end. The only thing that we can bring with us are our memories and the realization that we have maximized every moment of our happiness to the fullest. So long as there is no regret, we know that we have really lived up life.

In my opinion, sponsoring a WG is no problem for me. I do not view them as being any more lowly or "unsponsorable" than any other NON-WG. Because in today's modern day world, even if you date a non WG, there's no guarantee that you will be her first, in fact there's a high potential that you are her 20th, 40th or even 140th. Who knows. The concept of who's fresh and who's not is all perception. You could meet a girl in a village in Hunan wearing country bumpkin clothing, thinking that she's some innocent virgin, but not know that 6 months ago she was at Baby's BBS working as a WG for half a year. Perception and deception. Hell if I were you, being that you are only 25 years old, i'd just sponsor both girls.

Anyways SeaJoe, when you are at my age, you realize that life is just one big game. More like a Video Game arcade machine. Your goal is earn as many points playing that game as possible. The highest points win. However, in order to play you need to work and earn the quarters to play. If you spend too much time just earning quarters and you never play, then you lose and it's game over. If you don't spend your time working to get those quarters you still never play and you still lose. But when you have enough quarters with you....Use it all up...we aren't going to be able to take those quarters with us when we leave.

SeaJoe, I know you're only 25 and all, but I'm sure that in 20 years or 30 years later, you'll STILL be SO popular with the girls!

AsnDragon

Know what - that's how MY sponsorship came about. The perfect girl.

Started with me doing a "near perfect WG" on a quite regular basis. I mean she not only looked "perfect' but her 'services' was really up there in the klieg lights! I always said to myself - pity she's a WG - but oh well, cain't have everything!!

But guess what? One fine day, this gal asked me if I wanted to get to know her IDENTICAL twin sister!! She'd been working for a couple years at some factory in Longgang but has now really gotten sick and tired of the low pay, the ass-hole Hong Kong factory manager, the back breaking and boring pace of her life and was ready for a change in circumstances. Only thing is that she absolutely refused to become a WG like her sister.

Which was when I came into their discussions as being the "perfect" sponsor for her!! And of course, the rest is History - my history!!

So.... be careful what you wish for old man - and this coming from a guy at least a couple decades younger than you!!

Fishing is great - but you catch a whopper, it'll sometimes gag you unless you either eat it all up quick or else throw it back into the sea!

SEAJ

RCA Knight

10-03-09, 07:15

Thanks for the serious warning on beetle nuts guys, Asn Dragon.

I have always wanted to bring up the danger of these Taiwan beetle nuts crowd for a long time, thanks SE Asia Joe for making the opportunity.

Hope my close encounter can save some lives of our China monger brothers. Be sure to even avoid eye contact with any of these beetle nuts crowd. If one of them step on you and bump into you on street, then just say sorry to him. If you get a table next to these crowd in a night club or disco, just quietly move away somewhere else. No need to get tough with anyone who cannot even reason. After all, we need a healthy and intact body to monger.

Kow Bow

10-03-09, 13:58

Errrr...... correct me if I'm wrong.

You've already written in the past that you are Asian - but, specifically, you are a Korean from North America!! Right??!!

I personally have absolutely no idea about how the gals think about you guys. No idea whatsoever, as let's face it - there ain't that many of you guys at CP is there?

So..... howzabout YOUR perspective coming from YOUR side of the equation. Please?!

SEAJI wish I could contribute more but my limited experience or "misadventures" has been in a couple of SZ KTV's a few times and one accidental run on Chicken Street in Shekou both which I've written about in the SZ thread. I'm not sure if MP's even warrant a mention. I'm a little scared of the BBS's and Pink Apartment type places of maybe catching something so nothing to report there. Haven't made it to CP yet, but I will and yes, I will take the rookie duty up of providing the report with all of my available but tiny Shakespearean talent to provide interesting details the morning after.

I also asked the question because some of the KBoys on the other side of the pond (I. E. Here in N. A) seem to think that the rest of Asia would be enamored with them because the popularity of all the Kmovies and KPop singers. I've had a couple of small experiences while in SZ where I actually thought that this actually might be true but I wanted others to tell me that I'm dreaming, or not. Plus some of you guys partied with the Jersey boys so I thought you might have noticed something. Anyhoo, I've rambled about this non-topic long enough.

Chang Ping

10-04-09, 02:50

Hey Chang Ping - when I wrote

And since you bring it up - howzabout your take on the Singaporean monger in CP?? HowZabout you posting up your own opinion piece on you and your fellow country men? I think it would be very interesting and would certainly bring "balance" back.

Peace amigo

SEAJHey Joe,

No worries from me. I am "happy go lucky". But being S'porean I have grown to learn that there will be those that will take offense and harbor those I'll feelings without ever telling it to your face but given the right opportunity will say or do something unkind in response. Reflecting on that. I am not so sure if its really only a Sporean thing after all.

While being Singaporean I may be granted greater levity in making comments (less glowing) and getting away with it but I feel it unnecessary to do that. Universally regardless of race or creed. I prefer to subscribe to the notion that if there isn't anything nice to say/write about someone/some people. Then don't. Unless if its a situation that compels it of course.

Posting personal experiences, FRs and the like. Yeah I am more than happy to do that if time permits.

OK to be clear.

I am not offended because I know its tongue and cheek and know that it was not done in malice or I'll will but when I read that I can certainly see others who might be offended whether justified or otherwise. Perhaps you might think. Oh well my friends know me and are OK with it and for those that arent OK with it. Well they don't know me and since I don't know them or care what they think then so be it.

If thats what it actually is then hell by all means post away. I just can't help think that this is a PUBLIC forum and some things are better said in private amongst friends. Cheers!

Mongerxx

10-04-09, 03:21

i also asked the question because some of the kboys on the other side of the pond (i. e. here in n. a) seem to think that the rest of asia would be enamored with them because the popularity of all the kmovies and kpop singers. i've had a couple of small experiences while in sz where i actually thought that this actually might be true but i wanted others to tell me that i'm dreaming, or not. plus some of you guys partied with the jersey boys so i thought you might have noticed something. anyhoo, i've rambled about this non-topic long enough.

ok i will be the jerk and tell you that you are dreaming! j/k i actually have done a few trips with a krewe of korean guys. these were sort of middle to upper middle management types from korea in the 30-40 year old range. the girls definitely fawned all over them and there success rate in the cp ktv's was about 50%. basically about the same as everyone else who takes a bath and has the mao to pay the freight.

all this recent attempts to profile in the thread maybe entertaining and have some accurate commentary on spending habits and behavior. however, imho the "success' of a provider-client encounter really is quite idiosyncratic and the ethnic profiling isn't really going to help you predict what happens. i am a fat middle age white man who speaks about 50 different phrases in mandarin. guess what? i usually find someone who will act like i am brad pitt and john holmes rolled into one spectacular package. just as long as i don't try to poke her in the ass and puke up my 800 rmb in the morning (or afternoon if it pleases). although, i will admit brad homes is having more difficulty finding a fan who will peel his prawns for him.

Onadlos

10-04-09, 04:17

I also asked the question because some of the KBoys on the other side of the pond (I. E. Here in N. A) seem to think that the rest of Asia would be enamored with them because the popularity of all the Kmovies and KPop singers. Most Chinese girls I know like korean movies or songs but koreans have the reputation to be " the most ugly in asia" and to be "heavily into plastic surgery". In particular, Chinese girls think they look much better than korean girls, who have a particularly bad reputation regarding plastic surgery and are "90% fake" and "offered plastic surgery for their birthday by their parents". I don't think any of this is true but I've heard it many times.

Korean guys are often described by Chinese girls as pretentious and feeling superior to other asians, which seems obvious in your post (Asia would be enamored with them because the popularity of all the Kmovies and KPop singers.).

Also the fights in Korea before the Olympic games seem to have been perceived badly too (yeah I know THEY startd it), and as you should know Chinese people are extremely sensitive on any nationalistic issue.

So I guess there ARE girls that are receptive, don't worry, but don't expect too much That means outside the bars and language classes, your chances to score are just as low or as high as any other asian guy, from taiwan or Singapore.

I am just reporting things I've heard more than once, I don't mean to offed you at all of course, but all these rumors seem to be widespread in China, thanks to the Chinese message boards.

About American-born koreans, most Chinese will just not believe you at all and just assume that you are korean and trying to make yourself more interesting until you show them your passport.

BruceTea

10-04-09, 04:49

I also asked the question because some of the KBoys on the other side of the pond (I. E. Here in N. A) seem to think that the rest of Asia would be enamored with them because the popularity of all the Kmovies and KPop singers.

To me; Korean Americans, Chinese Americans, Singaporean Americans, Taiwanese (I know, lump with Chinese category) Americans, etc. are all Asian Americans and we as a group are cool as fuck, as brothers and as customers.

I've met Koreans from Korea who come to China to study Chinese. Mostly in the Shanghai, Nanjing, Hanzhou, and many North-eastern areas (places close to Korea). There are also many Chinese who speak Korean. In any case, the respect and tolerance is mutual (unlike the Korean's friendliness toward a Japanese person, but it's been warming up). As for p4p, the Koreans I've met are mostly blue collar or professionals who work hard for his money. Therefore, value is important but service can be overlooked. Many do speak the language (a tiny but passable bit) and since many have white skin are generally welcomed by the girls.

K-drama, Taiwan-drama, Chinese-drama are great topics when talking to girls in CP. I have some time in my hands, so I end up watching a lot of these (honestly, POS) series. But since many Asian females love these shows, I brush up on them and they're awesome ice-breakers. K-pop, Taiwan-pop, and J-pop are also "in" all over China. I mean, on Sept 2009, I've heard Chinese guys singing "Nobody Nobody" in English, on the street. Nobody Nobody is a Korean song by the Wonder Girls. The jingle is catchy as hell...

SE Asia Joe

10-04-09, 06:11

Well SeaJoe,

When you reach the age that I am at, being 20 years older than you, eating that whopper is always better than letting the fish go. In my opinion, in life the hardest thing to swallow is regret. When you are at my age you have nothing else to lose. Carpe Diem. Remember, you come into this world with nothing, and you leave this world with nothing. All the wealth or status that you accumulate over the years, is worth nothing in the very end. The only thing that we can bring with us are our memories and the realization that we have maximized every moment of our happiness to the fullest. So long as there is no regret, we know that we have really lived up life.

In my opinion, sponsoring a WG is no problem for me. I do not view them as being any more lowly or "unsponsorable" than any other NON-WG. Because in today's modern day world, even if you date a non WG, there's no guarantee that you will be her first, in fact there's a high potential that you are her 20th, 40th or even 140th. Who knows. The concept of who's fresh and who's not is all perception. You could meet a girl in a village in Hunan wearing country bumpkin clothing, thinking that she's some innocent virgin, but not know that 6 months ago she was at Baby's BBS working as a WG for half a year. Perception and deception. Hell if I were you, being that you are only 25 years old, i'd just sponsor both girls.

Anyways SeaJoe, when you are at my age, you realize that life is just one big game. More like a Video Game arcade machine. Your goal is earn as many points playing that game as possible. The highest points win. However, in order to play you need to work and earn the quarters to play. If you spend too much time just earning quarters and you never play, then you lose and it's game over. If you don't spend your time working to get those quarters you still never play and you still lose. But when you have enough quarters with you....Use it all up...we aren't going to be able to take those quarters with us when we leave.

SeaJoe, I know you're only 25 and all, but I'm sure that in 20 years or 30 years later, you'll STILL be SO popular with the girls!

AsnDragon

AGAIN.... I say that you really write sensible and sensitive posts. Young guys like us got lots to learn from you. REALLY!!

You may want to take a gander and read my post on the China Women's opinion and advise thread - about the latest adventure of the gal I used to keep. China is one strange and wonderful place ain't it??!!

And the best laid plan of man and mice - things certainly have a way of going on in their own volition never mind what we want to happen. And thus, your advise to live life to the fullest AND for the present, certainly resonates with me..

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-04-09, 07:36

Perhaps we should just discuss "kinds/types" of mongers instead of discussing the different ethnicity/race/origin etc.

Treading on egg shells - that is what I see we been doing talking about race/ethinicity etc. Too much taboos.

But we can come down HARD on idots, praise greats, laugh at clowns AND still be Politically Correct!!

Whatdya'll think?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-04-09, 08:27

And to make a natural transition, I'll write about the Korean Jersey guys I've partied with a few times. They're Moody's good buddies and perhaps he may want to add his own observations/views and correct me when I write something wrong

These guys are GREAT, NOT because they are Korean Americans, but they are just cool guys.

They work hard for months back at home, hardly bothering to waste time/money with the over-priced/over-rated offerings at home, and instead conserve their energy and capital to party and party hard in China - specifically Chang Ping most times.

This being the case, they come to town with a correct frame of mind and are ready to party as soon as they touch base. First time I partied with them, they literally just got off the car/18+ hours plane ride from the East Coast. Hardly 10 minutes to shower and they were already down at the KTV and proceeded to drink copious amounts of Black Label. And they didn't insist I join 'em and instead quickly ordered beer for me when I told them that I no longer dare to drink hard liquor.

And even drinking beer vs their hard liquor, there's no way I, Toucan Joe, could keep up with them and I wilted way earlier than them (I believe they kept the KTV going until 5 am or some un-Godly hour!). As it was not yet bill paying time yet, I just went ahead and gave the 2 DJ's their RMB200 each - knowing full well that if I was gonna split the bill later on, I'd end up paying lots more. (They're known for just going ahead and treating each other by turn - and their bills between the 3 or 4 of them routinely comes up to RMB 4,000, 5,000 per evening.). Anyway, when I told them what I did i.e. already paid the DJ's so that they will NOT pay them again later - they were trying to push RMB 400 back to me (which of course I refused).

OK, you guys may think - how is this cool?? BSD's spoiling the market etc.

Well, the next time I partied with them, I expressed my sentiments that they're unnecessarily blowing $$ and that they should "control" the KTV nights more strictly and smartly - and right away they agreed to my suggestion and put us in charge of controlling the costs. They still partied hard, but they went along with "our ways" immediately and very willingly.

They are a bunch of very cool guys who is there to enjoy themselves, are willing to go along/is considerate of other guys and have no hang-ups.

And that..... is my opening "shot" - the easiest one - an easy report on one of the many good guys I've met via ISG, directly or indirectly!!

You guys wanna post about the Bad and the Uglies??

SEAJ

Ps. to Kow Bow - these guys had definitely made Korean/Americans favored clients at the KTV's - so, yes, you're a FAVORED client if you run into gals who'd partied w/em or heard about their generosity and gentlemanly ways!

AsnDragon

10-04-09, 08:52

A year back, I got a BBS girl. She told me about the strangest, oldest guy she's ever been with. He was in his mid 70's and he has semi Alzheimer, having very bad memory. So the guy is about 20 years older than me, I still got some wiggle room here. Anyways, he's old and forgetful, but he comes into the BBS and picks my girl. The go up to the hotel room and once they arrive the old man says that he's hungry and he's going to go out and buy some food back. At this point the BBS girl has NOT even showered yet, was just in the room watching TV. She waits for him for hours on end. After like 2 hours she's completely fed up. She calls her Mommy and asks how come he's not back. She doesn't want to leave because then she gets no tips. (It was a slow day that day at the BBS) But after 3 hours of waiting she's fed up, angry an storms out of the room. After she leaves, this old man walks into the same BBS looking for a BBS girl. The mommy recognizes him and asks him how come he picked a girl, left her in his room and never did her and you ar ehere back in the BBS again picking another girl. His response was " Oh I picked a girl already? I don't remember that."

Apparently, he picked a girl, left her in the hotel room, went to eat lunch and went about his day, forgetting that he already had picked a girl and went back to pick another one. Hilarious story!

So in CP, anything can happen, and any and every type of guys come. Even the forgetful old timers. I still have 20 years until I qualify in that category.

AsnDragon

And to make a natural transition, I'll write about the Korean Jersey guys I've partied with a few times. They're Moody's good buddies and perhaps he may want to add his own observations/views and correct me when I write something wrong

These guys are GREAT, NOT because they are Korean Americans, but they are just cool guys.

They work hard for months back at home, hardly bothering to waste time/money witht the over-priced/over-rated offerings at home, and instead conserve their energy and capital to party and party hard in China - specifically Chang Ping most times.

This being the case, they come to town with a correct frame of mind and are ready to party as soon as they touch base. First time I partied with them, they literally just got off the car/18+ hours plane ride from the East Coast. Hardly 10 minutes to shower and they were already down at the KTV and proceeded to drink copious amounts of Black Label. And they didn't insist I join 'em and instead quickly ordered beer for me when I told them that I no longer dare to drink hard liquor.

And even drinking beer vs their hard liquor, there's no way I, Toucan Joe, could keep up with them and I wilted way earlier than them (I believe they kept the KTV going until 5 am or some un-Godly hour!). As it was not yet bill paying time yet, I just went ahead and gave the 2 DJ's their RMB200 each - knowing full well that if I was gonna split the bill later on, I'd end up paying lots more. (They're known for just going ahead and treating each other by turn - and their bills between the 3 or 4 of them routinely comes up to RMB 4,000, 5,000 per evening.). Anyway, when I told them what I did i.e. already paid the DJ's so that they will NOT pay them again later - they were trying to push RMB 400 back to me (which of course I refused).

OK, you guys may think - how is this cool?? BSD's spoiling the market etc.

Well, the next time I partied with them, I expressed my sentiments that they're unnecessarily blowing $$ and that they should "control" the KTV nights more strictly and smartly - and right away they agreed to my suggestion and put us in charge of controlling the costs. They still partied hard, but they went along with "our ways" immediately and very willingly.

They are a bunch of very cool guys who is there to enjoy themselves, are willing to go along/is considerate of other guys and have no hang-ups.

And that..... is my opening "shot" - the easiest one - an easy report on one of the many good guys I've met via ISG, directly or indirectly!!

You guys wanna post about the Bad and the Uglies??

SEAJ

Ps. to Kow Bow - these guys had definitely made Korean/Americans favored clients at the KTV's - so, yes, you're a FAVORED client if you run into gals who'd partied w/em or heard about their generosity and gentlemanly ways!

Moody

10-04-09, 19:40

Hey Joe,

I'm glad you had a good time with my friends. They might be over sometime before CNY if they can make the time. They'll call Wadman and if you're around, I'm sure they would love to have you join them. They like to feel young every now and then. ;)

Onadlos,

We don't really show the girls our passports since.... well, we don't really carry them with us everywhere we go. Once we start speaking English (especially since a couple of us speak really bad Korean), they quickly figure out we're not Korean born and raised.

Here's a couple things to always keep in mind. How do you know when a KTV girl is lying? Her lips are moving.

How do you know a KTV customer is lying? His lips are moving.

Kow Bow,

If you look like Jang Dong Gun, they'll love ya. They might love ya if you look like G-Dragon too. On the other hand, if you look and dress like a lowlife, not so much. BUT, if you look and dress like a lowlife, but have tons of cash to throw around, they'll love ya again. Don't forget, when it's all said and done, the girls are hookers, they're in it for the money. BTW, you're hanging around at the wrong places for pretty girls. Everybody knows Shekou is where the girls go once they're past their prime. The big KTV's in Shenzhen though, are pretty awesome as talent goes. In general, significantly better than DG KTVs. That's limited to about a half dozen places though.

Fast Eddie,

I'm still around, although haven't been in China in about 4 months or so.

Bruce,

Go on Youtube and check out videos by Kara for the song Mister or SNSD for Genie. If you like K-Pop, you'll love both of them. :D

Big Swingin Dave

10-05-09, 03:07

The Eurasia Hotel officially opened it's doors on September 27th with only 70% of their hotel rooms and KTV rooms available for occupancy. This 5 STARS hotel did not spare any expenses, the place is "POSH", not grotesquely overdone like most KTVs in China.

The KTV is split into 3 levels with 70 plus KTV rooms when fully opened. There are three category of KTV rooms: small (15 ppl), medium (20ppl), large (30ppl). They also have large connecting rooms that can catered to up to 60 plus ppl. The minimum charge for a small room is 688, medium room 1088, and large room 1888. This charge of course is a non-factor as the "hard cost" (i.e. snacks, fruit bowls, tissues, and bottle water) already is 1/3 of the minimum charge. All alcohol is buy 2 get 1 free, liquor prices start at 780, red wine at 208, and beer at 480 per dozen.

Ladies are split into 4 categories. The girls with one-piece dresses are 2-5-8 and the girls that have split tops (revealing their belly button) and mini-skirts are 3-6-1. They also have two model categories: 3-10-15 (blue dresses) and 5-10-15 (red dresses). The difference being the more expensive ones are known to be better service (i.e. better entertainers in the room and better "skills" outside the KTV room).

We were there 2 times this past week, the average cost per person was 550RMB (liquor only) in a small room and 480RMB in a large room (beer, wine, and liquor mix).

Location wise, it is less than 5 minutes from the train station and 10 minutes from Miraton and 12 minutes from Swan Lake.

Hotel rooms are set at 368 and 410 but I forsee prices will not stay at this rate for long. This may be a good time to try it out before prices get into the 400+ to 500+ range. We will be taking a tour of the hotel later on today so will report back at a later time.

Overall impression is good, the hardware fantastic, software is better than most places. All WGs must be 1.6m or taller with model at 1.7m or taller.

BSD
Overall, the place is very impressive,

Bigboobman007

10-05-09, 04:53

Bigboobman,

It was good to finally meet you in person. But you forgot to disclose that you ONLY like girls with ridiculously big Boobs. Which, I think Saunas are the only places that you can visually choose the biggest boobs who can give decent to good service. With those criteria, big boobs and good service, only saunas can give you that consistently. BBS. At times, KTV's-big boobs but usually no service.

If you want another sleazy foot massage place, go to JinDiLi (? )? A foot massage directly across the train station-They do sleazy too, but mostly HJ's. Clipper has sleazy FS as well. I'll give you the details on that if you PM me. Oops. Am I being overly secretive here? I hope I'm not going to get flamed for it.

How was the sauna is da lang? My favorite for now is still Prince Hotel in Huang Jiang. They consistently have larger and prettier overall selection of Sauna girls. I have the manager if you need their contact. Just PM me for it. If you do some research, Tangxia Sangem Hotel Sauna, from what has been posted previously, have sauna girls that will do bareback with you, whom are certified to be disease free. Now this seems like the most ridiculous and dangerous thing to do IMHO, but they do have that service for a premium price. How do they certify they are disease free? I have NO idea, China always has a way to certify something, even if it's not TRUE.

AsnDragonNot ridiculous-just different way of measuring. If I can grap them with my palm, then its not big enough-hahhaha. Boobs + service = sauna. Thats why its still my favorite. I need new sauna contacts please-I'm running out of saunas to explore.

Do the gals in Jindili, Walter and the place near haixia wear sexy outfit like the gals in LongDaoHUi in CA? I know clipper gals wear sport outfit-total turn off-they're not that great looking anyway. With footie gals, it about the teasing, hugging, sucking boobs, them playing with my member. I will never waste my load on them.

Silver Spring in Dalang is like your huihua in terms of the quality. If you like gals in costumes (nurse, chun li, minnie mouse) you'll like this place. The only costume I like is no costume-hahaha. They also use the slimy thing you see in jap av all over your body in the wet bed and do body massage (slide up and down) on you. Same management with virgin sauna, thats why they have the same irritating PRs and managers. I think Prince sauna is overpriced given the quality. I'm not into tall gals anyway-I don't mind, but not my criteria. I can't relate to the fascination with tall gals neither with doing bareback. I've been offered by some gals who (I think) like me enough to do them bareback. Have feelings for you = bare back? No thank you.

Bigboobman007

10-05-09, 05:04

-5 foot 4 inches
-size D breasts, on the larger D size. 36
-had creamy smooth skin
-skinny legs, arms and waist, not a single fat on her body except for her rack
-she had cute round eyes, watermelon shaped face.
-Long silky hair
- SHE HAS A WHITE TIGER, not even 1 strand of hair, and you can tell it was NOT SHAVED
- Tight down there and all around.
-Cute smile, those ones with two deep dimples on each side.
AsnDragonThe reason you can't find her is because I have "bao" her. Just kiddin bro. Seems like your description of a perfect gal is pretty similar to what I'm looking for. Highlight on the 36D of course. I just have 1 thing to add-pink or light colored nipples. Once I got this sichuan, fair skinned, huge boobs with better than average face who is quite into me from Miraton KTV. When I brought her back, she got dark, almost black nips. I forced myself to do her short time since I have to pay anyways and sent her back. Since then, if I go to non-naked KTV, I always ask them their nips color. Its no fun man asking that question man.

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10-05-09, 05:20

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AsnDragon

10-05-09, 06:54

This girl, had the lightest, pinkest nipples i've ever seen. The areola is the perfect size. sensitive to the touch and it was perky, it was round and perky. I asked her how her tits are so big firm and perky...her response was that she wears a bra 24/7. even to bed she wears a bra so the breasts don't sag over time. I was completely blown away! I finally realize what all women should do to maintain that firm and perky breast.

Boobman--we always competing for the same girls. How about next time we go to a place with only twins? Haha.

AsnDragon

The reason you can't find her is because I have "bao" her. Just kiddin bro. Seems like your description of a perfect gal is pretty similar to what I'm looking for. Highlight on the 36D of course. I just have 1 thing to add-pink or light colored nipples. Once I got this sichuan, fair skinned, huge boobs with better than average face who is quite into me from Miraton KTV. When I brought her back, she got dark, almost black nips. I forced myself to do her short time since I have to pay anyways and sent her back. Since then, if I go to non-naked KTV, I always ask them their nips color. Its no fun man asking that question man.

SE Asia Joe

10-05-09, 08:30

OK - the Bads. starting with:

1. The spammers/serial antagonists here - what's up with that?

2. The weirdos - yeah - we do get them in CP too! Am most time happy to meet ISG guys - but once a while we all meet these weirdos - and once you meet 'em, they hang on to you like a leech.

3. The inconsiderate "translate for me-ers" - within the first 5 minutes of meeting this wanker, he had slapped my back and ordered - yes, ordered - me to "Tell this beggar to get away from here!" No please, no thank you - and it went on down hill from there! Capped it all off with an 8 a.m. phone call to another of our senior members who was fast asleep with an order to "Tell this gal (the hotel cashier) to write down in Chinese the word for train station" when he was checking out! And why didn't he call me instead??? Well.... the previous night I had told him to go fuck himself - in no uncertain terms - when he dared to point at me and the gal I was sitting with at the KTV and told me "Move over there - I want to sit here!"

4. The guy that needs to always be top dog - those guys with the chip on their shoulders and under developed gonads. Insecure as they are, they always need to have people around to fawn on them - and if they feel the least bit slighted - they go nutso!

5. The extreme el-cheapos - who's always trying to skip on their fair share, help themselves to other's items, take advantage of others etc. Hey - it's understandable if you can't afford to do something - it's fine and OK for you to not participate - but to constantly try to stick others with your costs etc?!! These guys are the perfect match for those wannabe Top Dogs #4 !!

Just some of the "bads" I can think of right away. I'm sure I have others - but would rather read what you guys thinks are these other "bads"

IMHO

SEAJ

Jiayu

10-05-09, 15:27

The reason you can't find her is because I have "bao" her. Just kiddin bro. Seems like your description of a perfect gal is pretty similar to what I'm looking for. Highlight on the 36D of course. I just have 1 thing to add-pink or light colored nipples. Once I got this sichuan, fair skinned, huge boobs with better than average face who is quite into me from Miraton KTV. When I brought her back, she got dark, almost black nips. I forced myself to do her short time since I have to pay anyways and sent her back. Since then, if I go to non-naked KTV, I always ask them their nips color. Its no fun man asking that question man.Haha. I have a friend who hates large nipples or large aerolas so he wld always ask me to chk his gals for him on their size. I don't mind so long as theses gals don't mind. He's too shy to do it himself and I don't mind so it's s good arrangement. So far I hv only less Than 1% of gals declining to be examined. Most thought it was ticklish and fun if u do it in a nice way without being too rough.

Jiayu

10-05-09, 15:38

My description of BAD is someone who is swearing in the worst profound manner all the time. Using such words like m****therf**ker in every sentence or the big F word in 2 out of 3 words coming out of his dirty mouth. As if he is trying to impress the gals wi his huge vocabulary of vulgarity.

I also once went to the k wi a guy who wld be swearing at the mummies or gals until they cried. I heard that guy got beaten up by someone close to the mummies. In fact he ended up in the hospital and has never set foot in CP ever again.

AsnDragon

10-06-09, 00:26

Alright guys, since this board is about mongering and finding girls. Let's switch the topic back to girls, since it's a bit more interesting than talking about other different types of mongers. Let's face it, you either click with the brothers that you hang out with or you part in your own ways. You can basically figure that out by the first night out with them.

But I want to bring the topic of girls back on the table. I've discussed this a little on the Wuhan Board, but I wanted to ask brothers in Dongguan thread as we all know that Dongguan has a lot of girls from all over China come over to work as a WG.

I know that there are pretty girls from every province in China. However, over time we sometimes develop a stigma or preference for girls from certain provinces. What I am about to say are general sterotypes, as every province has their own share of good, bad, ugly and pretty girls. But I'm voicing my opinion and I wanted to gauge how far off or close I am to the general consensus.

I shall rank my top favorites of girls from these provinces:

Hubei Girls- Yes people generally say they are tricky. But I cannot get over the fact that most, not all, of them have lighter and better skin tone. They have higher nose bridges, appear to be taller on average than other southern provinces. They speak with this sexy mandarin accent. Also Liu Yi Fei, Crystal Liu is from there and she is the epitome of Hotness!

Sichuan/Chongqing Girls- Yes they can be hot tempered at times. Some are shorter than usual. Nick name: "? " not sure if I spelled that correctly. I love them for their large breasts. Usually, not always, have really nice racks. In addition, they also have really nice skin as well. Once in a while you find girls there that are stunning. This can be verified by pointpanic, as the girl we saw at Fuhao was admired by everyone.

Zhejiang Girls- People always say that Suzhou, hangzhou have the prettiest girls. I had a girl from Suzhou when I was up there once. She was phenomenally hot. Looked a bit closer to Zhang Xiyi, except she actually had breasts, large ones at that. They are pretty close to Hubei girls, but many of them have a more classical look to their face. Taller than most girls down south.

Shangdong Girls- I've only had a handful of them. But once girls are from Shandong, they start to be classified on the taller end. Most I've met are at least 5 feet 6 inches or taller. Many of them have the height to their advantage, but seem to be a bit loose on the belly. Not a fat belly, just looser than other southern counterparts. Perhaps it's because of the diet, too much starch and noodles in their diet or something. But the ones I've met were hot! Looks great when they are young, but usually don't age well due to diet. But I must say 6 out of 6 of them, they had large breasts. Coincidence. Perhaps.

Dongbei girls (including Heilongjiang, liaoning, Shenyang)- These girls are generally tall. Not always, but generally they are tall. Their looks are closer aligned to what magazines and "model" quality of girls should look like. In general, they have lighter skin and they have the height advantage. I'm not too thrilled with their accent, and their personalities can be rough. Many of them are not only hot tempered, they will go all out and fight if they have to, regardless of the mortal consquences.

Hunan Girls- CP has a majority share of hunan girls around. They vary in shapes and sizes and beauty. All the girls I seem to click with are from Hunan from some odd reason. In my personal opinion and experience, Hunan girls that I've been with have either a hot body and not so good looking face, or vice versa. Except that one girl I wanted to sponsor 1 year ago. It's harder to determine what a hunan look is, as they vary so much.

Jiangxi/Fujian girls- In my personal opinion, girls from these two provinces look pretty close to each other. I rarely see Fujian girls that are WG though. From the ones I've got from Jiangxi, they have nice tits. Their faces aren't the best, but their bodies, although on the shorter side in my personal standard, are pretty good. Usually don't have very high nose bridges and have nose on the flatter side. But Jiangxi girls CAN be tricky, even more so than Hubei girls. Fujian girls look similar, only had a hand full and nothing to really rave about. 3 out of 4 Jiangxi girls had breasts that were ridiculously huge, ones that bigboobman would appreciate.

Guangdong Girls- Ok, I'm talking about real guangdong girls, not girls that moved here 2 generations ago. I hardly ever pick guangdong girls for some reason. They are what everyone or at least what I avoid. They are shorter in size, they have the flattest nose. Although I must say that I have had guangdong girls that have very light skin, even though that is not the general norm of Guangdong girls. Yes, they can be cute at times, since they look younger due to their height, but just not my cup of tea.

Henan and Hebei Girls- are pretty close in my personal opinion. Generally the ones I've got from these two places, their hygiene was a bit of a problem. They were the only ones that spit on the hotel carpets. They are taller, speak with a closer accent to Beijing accent. For some reason a lot of them are darker than Hubei, even though they are pretty close to each other.

Shaanxi and Shanxi Girls- I group these two together as well. Generally they are rougher around the edges. Most are bigger in size than what I'm use to. Again, could be the diet. Never had any good ones from there thus far.

Anhui girls- is an enigma at times. All of my friend's Real Girl friends or wives that are from Anhui are just amazingly pretty- could be that he screened through the group to pick out the good one. But Anhui girls are usually fatter in size. The ones I've met are just chunkier. But they have nice skin, similar to their Zhejiang neighbor. A bit rougher than zhejiang girls, but they appear to be more straightforward and not as tricky as them.

Yunan girls- Only had two twins from there. They are really short, I would even say shorter than Guangdong girls. Some of them have a bit of a exotic look to them. They are usually a bit more carefree and tender. They are classified more as cute than pretty in my book

Guangxi Girls- I hardly every get girls from Guangxi. Some of them have a different look, like they have some south east Asian blood mixed in. Deeper eye sockets. Some would consider that to be exotic looking, but I think it looks sorta weird.

Guizhou Girls- They are a hit or miss. Some are good looking and some are just not acceptable. I've only got a handful of girls from there as not many attract my attention.

Tibetan Girls- Never had any

Inner Mongolia- Never done

Gansu Girls- only did one girl and she was big boned

Qinghai Girls- Never done before

Xinjiang Girls- Never done before

Of course the following is just my personal opinions that I've garnered up from my own experiences. No flaming is necessary as I know there are exceptions to the rules. I don't need comments like- " Oh I've done a girl who's from XXXX that is totally not what you described them to be" If that is the case then you can fill in and state what you feel about girls from that province.

AsnDragon

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Onadlos

10-06-09, 03:45

Kow bow

I am really sorry I just wanted to warn you about stupid things I heard in China. I don't mean that Korean people are not popular and many Chinese people, expecially young, are attracted by Korean Food, Songs movies and have a good image of KR.

I know you speak english, but you have to know that in Shanghai, in some bars, everyone speaks english, even Chinese people between them. It's a way to set themselves appart. Most of us will definitely notice their Chinese accent, but most Chinese people will assume they are from HK or the US, when in fact they're not, that's what my comment was about.

The fact that you speak english means you will probably meet girls who also speak english, and that's a different from"normal" Chinese girls (more educated and open minded). Plus you look cool enough to be able to make your way with your own qualities, regardless of the nationality issues.

I Know KTV girls are lying. I never asked her to be honest with me, I never asked her to be a nice good girl, I knew what I was getting into, and never asked any questions about her job, or where her money came from.

And you are right, when the lips are moving.

But her lips where not moving when she was falling asleep on my chest holding both of my hands tight, expect to kiss me in the morning.

SE Asia Joe

10-06-09, 05:04

Please read my post on the Cheap sex in China thread - where I'm railing against the MOB -the Mongers On a Budget.

Another BAD..... and as far as I'm concerned, real dangerous type of mongers who I am very eager to try to discourage from coming over to China. Unfortunately AND as it so happens... most (not ALL!!) MOB's are Low Lifes - anywhere in the world!

And thus my wanting to "discourage" information that will attract these Low Lifes. (LL's)

Need you guyses understanding and support on this!!

Thanks

SEAJ

Ps,. I've also written some on the China Women opinion and advise thread on same subject.

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 06:53

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 07:06

Hey Csun - thanks for your vote of confidence!

And WHO says that my singing is crap??!! Who dares say that??!! Maaaannnnn.. you ain't heard singin' till you heard Joe sing!

Joe I don't know whether your singing is good or bad, but mine is worse and somehow part of my CP KTV experience is to hear you sing Massachusetts. Hope to catch you next trip.

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 07:14

Maybe not 100% safe, if you look at it that way. I don't wanna scare anyone. I eat oysters freely in CP.

The rest of the BBQ items are, as has been pointed out, about as safe as food can get. BBQ'ed food that is charred is carcinogenic, but that's another discussion. You are much more likely to get sick from eating food inside a restaurant. I guess BBQ scares so many people because it LOOKS so low-end.

Although... meat is quite expensive in China (relatively speaking), and yet meat items at BBQ stalls are still pretty cheap. That is because...

I've gotten sick on Oysters in the USA, so you can always be unlucky. I wouldn't eat a raw or steamed oyster in China but on the grill the temperature is unusally hot. I haven't gotten sick from them but I can tell you that that restaurant next to Swan Lake never sits well with me.

the lamb/chicken/mushrooms vegetables on the grill is probably safer than a restaurant.

in fact a certain member took me to a korean place where I had some stomach issues later due to not considering that the lettuce was washed with local water (thanks Wadman) - delicious food, clean place but something as simple as washed lettuce could get you... mainly if you are a foreigner as simply the water contains different 'stuff' which is harmless to locals but not to you.

btw - Wadman where have you been?! PM me.

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 07:18

The problem with KTV songs if you can't read Chinese, is that the song names are often listed in English but the singer is not. This makes it hard to find songs I know or like. Sometimes you see singer and song in English but I have found songs I know where singer name is in Chinese, and hell if I know what most song names are. I know I like them when I hear them and likely know the singer but hardly the song.

also the songs are old. alot of nsync and britney, with occasional new songs. Clipper has some rap... other places are very poppy.

since at this point I only know 2 chinese songs I am limited.

AsnDragon

10-06-09, 07:21

Freepeaks,

You have similar tastes to me when it comes to english songs. And I do know that you know the song "对面的女孩看过来“ The girls across please look on over. What's the other Chinese song?

Good partying with you!

AsnDragon

The problem with KTV songs if you can't read Chinese, is that the song names are often listed in English but the singer is not. This makes it hard to find songs I know or like. Sometimes you see singer and song in English but I have found songs I know where singer name is in Chinese, and hell if I know what most song names are. I know I like them when I hear them and likely know the singer but hardly the song.

also the songs are old. alot of nsync and britney, with occasional new songs. Clipper has some rap... other places are very poppy.

since at this point I only know 2 chinese songs I am limited.

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 07:22

Confessions time!!
I like it that in hong Kong style steaks, they most times get the cheapest steer, or even cow grade beef, tenderize the damn thing half to death and then cook it smothered in one great tasting sauce or another. THAT.... is what I like!

I always thought Hong Kong steak was the loser at the horsetrack the night before. Tastes that way. Give me a fist thick steak anyday.

Big Swingin Dave

10-06-09, 07:56

The Canton Fair happens twice a year in Guangzhou, about a 30 minutes train ride from Changping. Because of the close proximity, many hotel rooms are booked during the fair (10/15 - 10/31). For those of you planning to come to C.P., please make your arrangements ahead of time including reserving KTVs on the weekends in advance. Also, expect prices to go up during this period as well. Clipper has announced a 30RMB surcharge during this time.

BSD

SE Asia Joe

10-06-09, 08:08

Joe I don't know whether your singing is good or bad, but mine is worse and somehow part of my CP KTV experience is to hear you sing Massachusetts. Hope to catch you next trip.
Harrumph.... OF COURSE my singing is better!! Much Much MUCH BETTER!!

After all, you = frumpy old white guy.
Me = 25 year old Blond blue eyed tall, muscular Swedish Adonis!!

wait till I treat you with my ABBA renditions!!

SEAJ

Freepeaks

10-06-09, 08:40

wait till I treat you with my ABBA renditions!!

SEAJ

Well you are the dancing queen. How's the reindeer steak this time of year?

SE Asia Joe

10-06-09, 08:58

Well you are the dancing queen. How's the reindeer steak this time of year?
The Dancing Queen???!!!!

ROFLMAO!!

I'll come over and smack you up and down and all the way to kingdom-come, you young PUP!

I mean.... Dancing QUEEN??!!

YUCK!!!@##$#@&

ISG rules prohibits any postings on homosexuality.

So Shadefarkup will ya?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-06-09, 09:50

Alright guys, since this board is about mongering and finding girls. Let's switch the topic back to girls,
Hubei Girls
Sichuan/Chongqing Girls-
Zhejiang Girls-
Shangdong Girls-
Dongbei girls (including Heilongjiang, liaoning, Shenyang)-
Hunan Girls-
Jiangxi/Fujian girls- .
Guangdong Girls-
Henan and Hebei Girls-.
Shaanxi and Shanxi Girls-
Anhui girls- .
Yunan girls-
Guangxi Girls-
Guizhou Girls-

Tibetan Girls- Never had any
Inner Mongolia- Never done
Gansu Girls- only did one girl and she was big boned
Qinghai Girls- Never done before
Xinjiang Girls- Never done before

Good God Dragon - You've listed 19 ... NINETEEN gals from different provinces/areas that you'd done/have preference on.

How the hell do you keep track of 'em and set them apart??

On top of everything else, my opinion is that people in China talks about "where they're from" pretty well the same way Westerners talk about the weather. Of not much consequences, but a great way to break the ice/talk about something when you ain't got nothing else to talk about.

Me...., personally...IMHO.... I like the gals from......CHINA!!!! Period!!

And I'll be damned if I even remember where gals I'd done came from!!

Apologies for perhaps deflating your baloon a bit here.

SEAJ

Ps. I still see your posts being delayed=monitored prior to be put up(?). Have you tried to contact somebody about this? You write great reports and I hate reading it "out of Sync."

SE Asia Joe

10-06-09, 10:10

Haha. I have a friend who hates large nipples or large aerolas so he wld always ask me to chk his gals for him on their size. I don't mind so long as theses gals don't mind. He's too shy to do it himself and I don't mind so it's s good arrangement. So far I hv only less Than 1% of gals declining to be examined. Most thought it was ticklish and fun if u do it in a nice way without being too rough.
Hey Jiayu - you oughta team up with BigBoobMan and do ALL his Quality controlling.

The gals he eyes - mannnnnnn.... they're all RIDICULOUSLY HEFTY boobed ones!!

You'll really have your hands full!!

Muahahaha

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-06-09, 11:09

Seajoe,

Firstly, I've contacted Jackson about the delay, but for some odd reason, I don't know why there's a lag when I post them.

Secondly, The only reason why you don't remember where the girls are from is because you've done too many of them! My god Joe, Slow down, a young man like you, only 25 years of age, will get a muscle cramp one of these day. The only reason why I know my girls is because- I have a good memory, and also I haven't done nearly as much as you have. Sheesh! You probably do so many girls that you need to take pictures of them just to keep track of who's who. Amazing!

Asking where the girls are from is an ice-breaker. For example:

Monger: Oh where are you from?
WG: I'm from Sichuan!
Monger: Oh Sichuan? uh-oh...you must eat a lot of spicy food!
WG: Yes I love spicy food!
Monger: So is your personality very spicy too? Are you Spicy in bed?
WG: (Chuckles and laughs)

Gotta know your geography boys! Mongering is about knowing the culture too. So pick up on the social studies, and don't just bury your face in the physical anatomy books if you want a good session!

AsnDragon

Good God Dragon - You've listed 19 ... NINETEEN gals from different provinces/areas that you'd done/have preference on.

How the hell do you keep track of 'em and set them apart?

On top of everything else, my opinion is that people in China talks about "where they're from" pretty well the same way Westerners talk about the weather. Of not much consequences, but a great way to break the ice/talk about something when you ain't got nothing else to talk about.

Me...., personally...IMHO.... I like the gals from......CHINA!!!! Period!!

And I'll be damned if I even remember where gals I'd done came from!!

Apologies for perhaps deflating your baloon a bit here.

SEAJ

Ps. I still see your posts being delayed=monitored prior to be put up(?). Have you tried to contact somebody about this? You write great reports and I hate reading it "out of Sync."

AsnDragon

10-06-09, 11:14

SEAjoe,

On an additional comment in regards to remembering all the different girls. All the girls that both you and I both did, which is a lot! I remember each and everyone of them, and what provinces they are from.

In CP every WG you do is usually always someone's sloppy seconds or more. But in the case between Joe and I, I'm always behind him. If he's sloppy 100th, I'm always number 101, if he's 200th i'm 201 at least. I'm always one step behind this guy. He's on fire! Gotta give it to them young 25 year olds. They got stamina.

AsnDragon

Good God Dragon - You've listed 19 ... NINETEEN gals from different provinces/areas that you'd done/have preference on.

How the hell do you keep track of 'em and set them apart??

On top of everything else, my opinion is that people in China talks about "where they're from" pretty well the same way Westerners talk about the weather. Of not much consequences, but a great way to break the ice/talk about something when you ain't got nothing else to talk about.

Me...., personally...IMHO.... I like the gals from......CHINA!!!! Period!!

And I'll be damned if I even remember where gals I'd done came from!!

Apologies for perhaps deflating your baloon a bit here.

SEAJ

Ps. I still see your posts being delayed=monitored prior to be put up(?). Have you tried to contact somebody about this? You write great reports and I hate reading it "out of Sync."

Meiguoguizi

10-06-09, 12:52

Dongbei girls (including Heilongjiang, liaoning, Shenyang)-

AsnDragon

Dongbei includes Liaoning, Heilongjiang and Jilin provinces. Shenyang is a city in Liaoning., as is Dalian. Neither city has special separate status (like Tianjin or Chongqing etc....), though residents of Dalian often turn up their nose if you say they are from Liaoning..
I agree with the physical appraisal of Dongbei girls as tall and fair-skinned. And the Dongbei accent is often a subject of ridicule in China. Many 'cross-talk' comedians are from Dongbei.
I have also noticed that Dongbei working girls often seem to be managed in small teams by Dongbei lowlife pimps, especially in Zhuhai and Hainan.

Playboy2000

10-06-09, 14:29

Do the gals in Jindili, Walter and the place near haixia wear sexy outfit like the gals in LongDaoHUi in CA? I know clipper gals wear sport outfit-total turn off-they're not that great looking anyway. With footie gals, it about the teasing, hugging, sucking boobs, them playing with my member. I will never waste my load on them.

In JinDiLi, the girls where a cute cheerleader-like uniform with a miniskirt. It has a sleazier feel than the clipper - the hardware is serveral notches down but the software is several notches up. Last time they gave me an unattractive girl. When I requested another, they brought me to a three-girl lineup with some decent pickings.

BruceTea

10-06-09, 14:48

In JinDiLi, the girls where a cute cheerleader-like uniform with a miniskirt. It has a sleazier feel than the clipper - the hardware is serveral notches down but the software is several notches up. Last time they gave me an unattractive girl. When I requested another, they brought me to a three-girl lineup with some decent pickings.

Can you do that? I've heard that Jin Di Li have some not so attractive footie girls, and one option is to wait in the lobby until an attractive one finishes and you swoop in. Another option is go when there is a flower show. But if you could see a lineup, I think that would be great. Do you just tell the person you want to see some more girls?

Playboy2000

10-06-09, 14:55

I shall rank my top favorites of girls from these provinces:

Great post!

From my anecdotal experience, I get the impression that two-thirds of the girls in CP (including footie girls) are from Hunan. Would you agree with that? After Hunan, the second most common region is Schiuan/Chongqing? I'd be interesting to see the top-5 provinces that the girls come from, and rough percentages for each one.

Also, as a rough rule, would you agree that girls further north are generally lighter skin and taller?

Playboy2000

10-06-09, 15:00

Can you do that? I've heard that Jin Di Li have some not so attractive footie girls, and one option is to wait in the lobby until an attractive one finishes and you swoop in. Another option is go when there is a flower show. But if you could see a lineup, I think that would be great. Do you just tell the person you want to see some more girls?

I just indicated that I wanted to see a different girl, and he brought be to small lineup. I do not know if it is standard procedure, but that is what happened. For callibration, I would rank the clipper footie girls 4-5; the JDL footie gilrs 5-7 (not massage girls); the mayflower KTV girls 6-8. When is the flower show?

AsnDragon

10-07-09, 02:22

Racetrack,

From my personal experience, Usually...now i saw this with reservation because China is just too diverse, but usually as you go up north, girls do tend to be taller and lighter in their skin color. In addition, their nose bridge usually tend to be a little bit higher.

I tend to like girls that are a bit taller, fair in their skin tone and with taller nose bridge. So hubei girls seem to fit my criteria as they seem to have many of these qualities. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. However, although southern Chinese girls seem to be a bit on the shorter side, they tend to be a bit friendlier than their northern counterparts. Yes, these are stereotypes, but I'm only speaking from my personal opinion.

AsnDragon

Great post!

From my anecdotal experience, I get the impression that two-thirds of the girls in CP (including footie girls) are from Hunan. Would you agree with that? After Hunan, the second most common region is Schiuan/Chongqing? I'd be interesting to see the top-5 provinces that the girls come from, and rough percentages for each one.

Also, as a rough rule, would you agree that girls further north are generally lighter skin and taller?

SE Asia Joe

10-07-09, 04:29

SEAjoe,

On an additional comment in regards to remembering all the different girls. All the girls that both you and I both did, which is a lot! I remember each and everyone of them, and what provinces they are from.

In CP every WG you do is usually always someone's sloppy seconds or more. But in the case between Joe and I, I'm always behind him. If he's sloppy 100th, I'm always number 101, if he's 200th i'm 201 at least. I'm always one step behind this guy. He's on fire! Gotta give it to them young 25 year olds. They got stamina.

AsnDragon
Boy old man - you do flatter don'tcha??!!

Look-it, with your debonair looks, language/jive talking skills, and your Chi Gong trained penis which can singularly lift the the gals off the floor straight to heaven - I really ain't no competition for you!!

Once in a blue moon, true, you'd do a gal AFTER me - but invariably, when I try to "date" her again, she'd demur and tell me that she's now fixated on a guy who's got a truly amazing "Dragon Dick"

Never mind about your sloppy seconds for me!! Hell, they always say - "Is that REALLY all that you've got??!!"

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-07-09, 04:57

Seajoe,

Enough of the flattery here. You saying that you have trouble getting a second date? Ok. This is coming from a guy who CURRENTLY has TWO girls who are desperately seeking you out to see if you can "Sponsor" them. And you are saying you have a problem with second dates?

In regards to me doing a girl after you, once in a blue moon, is a misstatement. Just to clarify to the audience here, 2 weeks ago, I wanted to do a girl which I reserved twice, but she was always so busy with other customers. I finally gave up after the third day! She was amazingly cute and pretty. Then I see SEAJoe show up at a KTV with her, all holding each other like two love birds. It was surely a slap in the face there. I spent 2 days trying to get her for just one session, and here comes SEAjoe, coming in all relaxed, with his arms all over the same girl I've been dying to session with. To Top it all off, she likes him too- so much that she spent the whole night with him.

So this just comes to show, that if you are in CP and are young, 25 and got a body sculpted like Michelangelo's David sculpture like SEAjoe is (Except SEAJoe has an above average Dick), you just have the upper hand on getting the girls to like you.

Sigh* old folks like us are labeled by WG as the "minutemen"- girls can finish us off in bed in one minute. What I wouldn't give to be 20 years younger.

AsnDragon

Boy old man - you do flatter don'tcha??!!

Look-it, with your debonair looks, language... and talking skills, and your Chi Gong trained penis which can singularly support the gals off the floor - I really ain't no competition for you!!

Once in a blue moon, true, you'd do a gal AFTER me - but invariably, when I try to "date" her again, she'd demur and tell me that she's fixated on a guy who's got a truly amazing "Dragon Dick"

Never mind about your sloppy seconds for me!! Hell, they always say - "is that all you've got??!!"

SEAJ

Flat Stamp

10-07-09, 12:17

So for a whole bunch of different stupid reasons, I hadn't gotten my money over to Jackson yet and can't use a CC.

That said, I do plan on sending some greenbacks -- and just landed from the US looking for some folks to go KTV with tonight or next couple of days.

Been more of a Sauna guy since my Mandarin blow goats.

Staying at Hui Hua tonight. Might switch later. But the rooms are nice.

Just checked out one girl downstairs, pretty disappointing (its not my first bad experience here, but i've had good ones too). Perhaps I'll file a report later.

Any chance I can get a hold of you BSDave without PMing? My email address is [Email address deleted by Admin]. But not sure if this post will get deleted. Jackson, can you make an exception.

Anyways, looking forward to hoping to bump into some Sr. Members here during my stay here for the next few days soon.

===============================================

Hi Flat Stamp,

Sorry man, but I've tried this in the past, and I've NEVER had anyone actually followup by actually buying a subscription. Frankly, you wouldn't beleive the emails and posts I receive from members trying to convince me to turn on their PM system, all to avoid paying a lousy 20 bucks.

Anyway, there's no reason you can't use your credit card, but to address the usual arguments:

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "safe to use credit card"?

If by "safe" you mean is there any danger that your credit card data might be stolen, then I can tell you that both the shopping cart service and the credit card service I use to process the credit card transactions are both conducted on secure, encrypted websites, so your credit card information is secure.

If by "safe" you mean is there any danger that your credit card statement will show that you've purchased a membership to this forum, then I can tell you that the credit card charge will be made under another name (which I won't write here because I don't want it being found by search engines) that looks like it's a contribution to a charity.

If by "safe" you mean is there any danger that a law enforcement agency might force me to divulge your forum username, then the answer is no because I delete the shopping cart transaction data every few days, and that's the only connection between your credit card charge and your username. In other words, the credit card charge doesn't include your username, only the shopping cart database has this info, and I have total control over the shopping cart's database.

In addition, the forum's servers are located in Montreal, Canada, safely outside the USA legal system.

If by "safe" you mean is there a possibility that I will take your money and dissapear, then then answer is no. This has been a membership website for several years, and nobody here has ever reported a single problem with using their credit card to purchase a subscription. Believe me, if there had ever been a problem, it would have been reported it here.

Thanks,

Jackson

PS: There is also an option to purchase a subscription by mail using cash.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/subscriptions.php?#subscriptionbymail

Big Swingin Dave

10-08-09, 04:41

Flat Stamp

10-08-09, 04:56

Jackson, the credit card issue has to do more with some other issues other than LE/concerns with you. I also saw the charity listing. That was really clever. Still can't do it given my circumstances. I'll try to send cash in sometime in the near future. If I don't get to PM and roll with some ISG folks on this trip, there will be others. The 20 bucks is a rounding error given the value this forum provides. So that is not at all the issue. I appreciate the hosting of this BSDave, in the case you're up for it, I'd gladly give you 20 bucks, heck double that, in person if/when we meet here. Or buy you a nice massage for the effort. If you happen to be rolling near HH today, I'm sure there are ways we can find each other (via front desk messaging).

Anyways, Jackson, keep up the great work.

BSDave: if you guys are KTVing this weekend or whatever or anyone else is interesting on ISG this Thursday/Friday, would be awesome to get a party going.

I was a lurker for many years until through the encouragement of SEAJoe I purchased a subscription with ISG which enabled me to view pictures and share sensitive information with fellow ISG brothers. The 20USD is well worth the investment because one little tip from a senior member can save you a lot of headaches and money. Please show your appreciation and support to this forum by buying a subscription which will give you the priviledge to share information with other great people on this board. Through this forum, I have met so many great people which share the same interest as me. Thank you Jackson and I encourage those of you that have not purchase a membership, please do so to show your appreciation of this great forum.

BSD

Bad Boy Billy

10-08-09, 05:31

LAMonkey

10-08-09, 05:45

Bsd asked me to post. Meet tonight at Clipper Lobby at 6pm. Heading to Europe Asia Hotel together in Van. Fun for all! Buy a subscription to the board. Well worth the investment!

Big Swingin Dave

10-08-09, 06:56

The 5 STARS Royal Garden Hotel http://www.royalgardenhotel.com.cn/index_en.aspx is located in Dalang, about 20 minutes from Changping. This is a very upscale establishments with hotel rooms starting in the 500+ RMB range. We (LA Monkey, Slower Better, JoeBanker00, and one non-ISG brother) went to the KTV last night and it was very impressive except that it was quite pricy.

Alcohol was at least 100RMB more for liquor and the added service charge was 15%; however, we were able to get a 15% discount but that only applies to beer, snack, or other beverages (liquor and wine excluded).

The WGs were dressed in nightgowns and was divided in two categories: 3-6-1 and 5-15-20. With the higher price it didn't necessary transform into better service; as a matter of fact, the girls were just the same but definitely a place for the BSDs out there to try.

A hotel room, KTV cost, and a companion for the night can run you close to 500USD a night so for all you BSDs and BSD want-to-bes out there, this is definitely the place to be.

BSDave

Flat Stamp

10-08-09, 08:14

Bsd asked me to post. Meet tonight at Clipper Lobby at 6pm. Heading to Europe Asia Hotel together in Van. Fun for all! Buy a subscription to the board. Well worth the investment!Appreciate it.

Will be sending Jackson some cash when I get back to the US.

See you guys there. Oh yeah... what do you guys look like? I'm young looking asian, probably in jeans and dark shirt. ABC looking guy.

Big Swingin Dave

10-08-09, 09:25

Another new hotel has it's soft opening today.

The Li Hao Jiu Dian (a.k.a. the New Wah Tai) is located behind the Swan Lake Shopping Center across the sewage river from XinDi Disco Club. This hotel is built similar to the Penninsula Hotel. We will be trying out the KTV tomorrow and will report back to the forum on our findings. The good thing is that this hotel has brand new rooms at trial rates of 238 and 268 RMB, with the Canton Fair and the rooms at low availability, this will be a good alternative hotel to try.

More to follow...

BSD

SE Asia Joe

10-08-09, 16:22

Made a quick run up to CP and spent the night with one of my regulars who I've known for the last few months. She's from Jun Hui (the old Swan lake).

Anyway, during the evening and within the context of one of the regular conversations I have with her, she mentioned that she NEVER allows any of her clients to do her more than twice during an overnight and that it's only with me that she lets me do it as many times as I wanted. I guess just to tell me that I'm special or whatever to her, nothing more

I said WHAT??!! And yes, she tells me that all of the gals at the Jun Hui will NOT do it more than twice a night and that if the client wants to do it more than that, that she is suppossed to ask for more money etc. I told her - no way, as I've been with plenty other Gals from Jun Hui who I did more than twice in an overnight session - and I had never had any of them ask me for any more $$ or even mention anything.

What's you guyses' intel on this? I COULD ask one of the mommies or managers there - but then I worry that if what my gal said was really correct, that I would instead just open a can of worms for myself i.e. if true, then the mommies would likely re-iterate this "rule" to the gals and I'd cook my own goose!! (the mommies have regular meetings w/the gals where they shout/hurl abuse at the gals for rule transgressions, stupid behaviour etc especially when it mean less $$ for them!!)

This question I guess fits right in with my oft said mantra that one should never be too old to learn!!

SEAJ

Member #4144

10-08-09, 17:59

...
I said WHAT??!! And yes, she tells me that all of the gals at the Jun Hui will NOT do it more than twice a night and that if the client wants to do it more than that, that she is suppossed to ask for more money etc. I told her - no way, as I've been with plenty other Gals from Jun Hui who I did more than twice in an overnight session - and I had never had any of them ask me for any more $$ or even mention anything.
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SEAJ

Well, WGs are women too and if the guy is attractive, like "young, 25 and got a body sculpted like Michelangelo's David sculpture like SEAjoe is ", then sure the girls will do whatever. But for a guy like me who is 20 years over that, then sure, I wouldnt be surprised the girl will expect me to pay for more Qs, if I can still do them, that is.

Fillmore.

AsnDragon

10-08-09, 20:46

Yes, they do have some of pretty good looking girls there. But for some reason, I never get very good service from this place. Truth be told, the management at this place is very cruel. I've had several girls who told me that the manager comes and beats them up (kicks them on their butt, stomach and legs) if they do not comply to guest's request. It's a very brutal environment to work under. So in some sense, although I am tempted by the better eye candy here, I sometimes feel bad for the girls and wish to avoid that whole "sob" story that they always tell me of. Some of the mommys there [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off as well. Lying and telling me the girl will come over in 20 mins because they went out to eat, but in reality the girl is already out on a session with another customer. After waiting for an hour and 4 phone calls, I gave up, totally ruined my whole day. I proceeded to make up for the experience going to some other BBS, picking one of the left overs at 9 pm.

Jun Hui, is well known to rip customers off. Now. Again if you are a HK monger who comes up as a frequent customer, they usually give you guys more preference and better service overall, because you are a FREQUENT/RETURN customer. But for all other mongers, if they can get away with it, then they just get away with it.

However, my friends have gotten to pop twice in an overnight session from two girls from Jun Hui. But then again, those two girls really like him a lot, was even willing to stay over for one more night for free. I personally have never done an overnight sessions with any of them, only "fast food" Unless Joe, you are willing to share your cutie from Jun Hui with me. Wink* wink*

AsnDragon

Made a quick run up to CP and spent the night with one of my regulars who I've known for the last few months. She's from Jun Hui (the old Swan lake).

Anyway, during the evening and within the context of one of the regular conversations I have with her, she mentioned that she NEVER allows any of her clients to do her more than twice during an overnight and that it's only with me that she lets me do it as many times as I wanted. I guess just to tell me that I'm special or whatever to her, nothing more

I said WHAT??!! And yes, she tells me that all of the gals at the Jun Hui will NOT do it more than twice a night and that if the client wants to do it more than that, that she is suppossed to ask for more money etc. I told her - no way, as I've been with plenty other Gals from Jun Hui who I did more than twice in an overnight session - and I had never had any of them ask me for any more $$ or even mention anything.

What's you guyses' intel on this? I COULD ask one of the mommies or managers there - but then I worry that if what my gal said was really correct, that I would instead just open a can of worms for myself i.e. if true, then the mommies would likely re-iterate this "rule" to the gals and I'd cook my own goose!! (the mommies have regular meetings w/the gals where they shout/hurl abuse at the gals for rule transgressions, stupid behaviour etc especially when it mean less $$ for them!!)

This question I guess fits right in with my oft said mantra that one should never be too old to learn!!

SEAJ

Bnlee2

10-09-09, 00:32

Appreciate it.

Will be sending Jackson some cash when I get back to the US.

See you guys there. Oh yeah... what do you guys look like? I'm young looking asian, probably in jeans and dark shirt. ABC looking guy.Jackson,

Check is in the mail. I think.

Sorry, this is just too good to pass up.

SE Asia Joe

10-09-09, 05:02

Well, WGs are women too and if the guy is attractive, like "young, 25 and got a body sculpted like Michelangelo's David sculpture like SEAjoe is ", then sure the girls will do whatever. But for a guy like me who is 20 years over that, then sure, I wouldnt be surprised the girl will expect me to pay for more Qs, if I can still do them, that is.

Fillmore.
Jeez.... a bit of a private joke gone hog wild!!

Michaelangelo's David's Body??

Hell, as much tme as I've been spending on the key boards typing these stupid reports of mine and the time needed to do a bit of mongering - hell I ain't had time to do my daily Thai boxing/Taekwando/Karate regime and my body has really gone down hill.

I now look just like AsnDragon and his middle age pouch - everywhere!! And surprising how I've aged these past few weeks. Amazing, truly amazing!!

Muahahaha!!
SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-09-09, 07:50

SEAJoe,

You shouldn't make fun of old timers like me. You get a big middle age pouch, when you become a middle age man like me. Young guys like you still have a long ways to go. But you youngster should give old men like me some respect at least. Granted I'm not the most respectable looking guy, but at least I'm your elder, old enough to be your Dad for crying out loud!

So why don't you give an old man like me a break, and give me a crack at your "kept" girl from Jiangxi?

I promise to be extra nice!

AsnDragon

Jeez.... a bit of a private joke gone hog wild!!

Michaelangelo's David's Body??

Hell, as much tme as I've been spending on the key boards typing these stupid reports of mine and the time needed to do a bit of mongering - hell I ain't had time to do my daily Thai boxing/Taekwando/Karate regime and my body has really gone down hill.

I now look just like AsnDragon and his middle age pouch - everywhere!! And surprising how I've aged these past few weeks. Amazing, truly amazing!!

Muahahaha!!
SEAJ

Weelock

10-09-09, 09:20

Billy will be in Changping October 16 and 17 - this time definite.

Thanks to BSD for arranging the room at Clipper.

Hopefully Billy will finally get to meet some of you CP 'legends'.

With an ounce of luck OAH will accompany us on Sat Oct 17.

See you then guys.

Humm a side note, around the Oct 15 to Nov 4 is the Canton Fair. The prices around Guangzhou will go up for hotels and girls. The closer your are to Guangzhou the more expensive it is especially for hotels. Girls in Guangzhou will ask outrageous prices. Since CP is further away, it will be less effected. Nevertheless, some hotels in CP will increase their prices by $30 to $50RMB but the majority will not. For example, from "Big Swingin Dave" report, the Clipper will increase their rate by $30RMB.

Then expect more people ( guys ) to be around Southern China like in CP but more girls will be there compared to Chinese New Year.

I felt a little guilt the last time you canceled during Chinese News Year. I recall you went to the Philippines instead but you did asked about the conditions around CNY.

IS OWL GOING TO THE CANTON FAIR THIS YEAR ?

Weelock

10-09-09, 11:29

Well, WGs are women too and if the guy is attractive, like "young, 25 and got a body sculpted like Michelangelo's David sculpture like SEAjoe is ", then sure the girls will do whatever. But for a guy like me who is 20 years over that, then sure, I wouldnt be surprised the girl will expect me to pay for more Qs, if I can still do them, that is.

Fillmore.

Michelangelo's sculpture is a big guy with a big belly. I look like him because I'm fat with a big dick. Are you saying girls will do what you want if you have a body like Michelangelo's David? I always have to argue with them to do anything and have been rejected a few times.

Just a stupid joke and picture of Michelangelo's David:

Bnlee2

10-10-09, 01:57

Michelangelo's sculpture is an guy with a big belly. I look like him because I'm fat with a big dick. Are you saying girls will do what you want if you have a body like Michelangelo's David? I always have to argue with them to do anything and have been rejected a few times.

Just a stupid joke and picture of Michelangelo's David:Weelock,

How could you post a picture of our ISG friend Santa. Definitely, he will take you off his gift list this christmas.

Santa is a respectable ISG bro. Now all the gals in China know that he does not have giant stick.

Santa, if you are reading this please forgive Weelock for his misdeed. he was drunk or under the influence of "pussy" when he accidentally posted the statue of you.

AsnDragon

10-10-09, 03:37

Weelock,

How the hell did you find a picture of me?

AsnDragon

Michelangelo's sculpture is an guy with a big belly. I look like him because I'm fat with a big dick. Are you saying girls will do what you want if you have a body like Michelangelo's David? I always have to argue with them to do anything and have been rejected a few times.

Just a stupid joke and picture of Michelangelo's David:

Big Swingin Dave

10-10-09, 20:06

The Li Hao Jiu Dian is a 3 STARs hotel behind the Swan Lake shopping center. Thursday was the soft opening and I took a preview of the rooms which looks very similar to the newly decorated rooms on the 9th floor of the Swan Lake Hotel. The special rates are 238 for regular rooms and 268 for deluxe rooms. Prices will go up another 30 by end of the month. There are heavy paint smell in the room so they are reducing their prices until grand opening at end of the month.

Small KTV rooms are 680 and 780, Large rooms are 880 - 1280, VIP rooms are 2200 and above. The flower street had no more than 150 girls and quality was average at best. There are many things that still need to be iron out at this location so probably best not visit here for a couple more weeks until the kinks have been worked out. We will visit there again in a couple weeks and report back at that time.

BSD

SE Asia Joe

10-11-09, 05:33

Overnighted 2 different regulars past couple nights.

Both from Jun Hui, both very pretty (in my eyes/IMHO), both I always enjoy being with as they not only provide superior "services" but also always provide interesting, lively and enjoyable companionship as we go about doing "regular" things.

I always enjoy buying them little things when I am with them - and of course the past couple nights was no exception. Them always bubbling excitedly and with such disarming naivette - and all for basically peanuts. And for those who're gonna berate/poke fun at me - don't bother!! As you'll see that they really ARE peanuts - and NOT latest model Nokia phones!

The first one was all excited and knew precisely what she wanted - and whilst quite apologetic about the price, took me to one of those suppossedly "Name brand store a la China" and right away paraded herself to me in the pair of jeans of her choosing and desire for the past month! RMB 238 (and no bargaining at these stores -Ouch!) and we were out the door - nothing else expected, all happy and excited!

Second one, I took on a stroll to the walking street and told her to choose and I'll do the bargaining - and we ended up buying a dress (40), a dress pants (40), a dress shirt (30), a tee shirt (10), a hoodee (25), a pair of shoes (45), 3 pairs or socks (6), a costume jewelry brooch (10 - to tie up her tee shirt and dress it up!)), a belt (10) AND a bottle of perfume (10) - all for about the cost of the first gal's single pair of jeans.

Only in China!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-11-09, 05:42

SeaJoe,

I'm taking notes here, so on my next venture I can be just as successful as you. So do you buy them the presents before the deed? or Do you do the deed and then buy them presents? I'm guessing before the deed, just because making the girl all happy and bubbly would make them perform better perhaps?

Wow, you and your tricks. I'm still jealous i didn't get one of the two girls you romanced. Regrets...regrets...

As a side note to Jun Hui KTV- i've been told that they only service HK and other foreign customers. They DO NOT take China people. There was a girl who went on an overnight session with a China man, and she was kidnapped. It's been over 6 months and there is no news of her until today. Many of these cases happen where China Man kidnap the girls and put them into slave sex shops to work for nothing. Quite sad. But if you are a china man, you can only do a quickie upstairs in Jun Hui's Hotel rooms, no overnights are allowed. China again, is a dangerous place. Monger safely.

AsnDragon

Overnighted 2 different regulars past couple nights.

Both from Jun Hui, both very pretty (in my eyes/IMHO), both I always enjoy being with as they not only provide superior "services" but also always provide interesting, lively and enjoyable c ompoanionship as we do "regular" things.

I always enjoy buying them little things when I am with them - /and of course the past couple nights was not exception. Them always bubbling excitedly and with suc disarming naivette - and all for basically pae-nuts. And for those who're gonna berate/poike fun at me - don't bother!! And you'll see that they really ARE peanuts - and NOT latest model Nokia phones!

The first one was all excited and knew precisely what she wanted - and whilst quite apologetic about the price, took me to one of those suppossedly "Name brand store a'la China" and right away paraded herself to me in the pair of jeans of her choosing and desire for the past month! RMB 238 and we were out the door - nothing else expected, all happy and excited!

Second one, I took her on a stroll to the walking street and told her to choose and I'll do the bargaining - and we ended up buying a dress (40), a dress pants (40), a dress shirt (30), a tee shirt (10), a hoodee (25), a pair of shoes (45), 3 pairs or socks (6), a costume jewelry brooch (10 - to tie up her tee shirt and dress it up!)), a belt (10) AND a bottle of perfume (10) - all for about the cost of the first gal's single pair of jeans.

Only in china!!

SEAJ

Weelock

10-11-09, 09:44

As a side note to Jun Hui KTV- i've been told that they only service HK and other foreign customers. They DO NOT take local Chinese people. There was a girl who went on an overnight session with a China man, and she was kidnapped. It's been over 6 months and there is no news of her until today. Many of these cases happen where China Man kidnap the girls and put them into slave sex shops to work for nothing. Quite sad. But if you are a china man, you can only do a quickie upstairs in Jun Hui's Hotel rooms, no overnights are allowed. China again, is a dangerous place. Monger safely.

AsnDragon

What happened to the girl ? News of about her came out today that she was force to work in a sex shop locked up and she escaped ?

There are a few sad stories of bad things happening to girls in China. A few murders. I think there was a serial killer in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. A few girls getting kidnapped and held for ransom, asking money from their mommies. Girls being sold to another pimp or mamasan. One girl told me she had to climb out the window to escape because she knew she was being sold.

In many places around China, girls will tell their pimps or mamasan where there are going. They will text or phone them and tell them what hotel and room number. This is to protect the girls if anything bad happens. Depending on the length of time allowed, she will get a phone call, " time is up". If she does not answer, I believe some guys might be at your door but it might be more telling the girl to find the next customer.

This happened to me once in Zhuhai, the girl got a phone call after 45 mins. Time was up and she had to leave. I was a little upset because I never finished. A few days later I did the same girl because she said no time limit. This time I noticed there was no phone call or text message before hand. I think the second time the girl pocketed all the money and trusted me more.

Phil1980

10-11-09, 10:15

In many places around China, girls will tell their pimps or mamasan where there are going. They will text or phone them and tell them what hotel and room number. This is to protect the girls if anything bad happens. Depending on the length of time allowed, she will get a phone call time is up. If she does not answer, I believe some guys will be at your door.

This happened to me once in Zhuhai, the girl got a phone call after 45 mins. The time was up and she had to leave. A few days later I did the same girl because she said no time limit. This time I noticed there was no phone call or text message before hand. I think the second time the girl pocketed all the money and trusted me more.

There are a few sad stories of bad things happening to girls in China. A few murders. I think there was a serial killer in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. A few girls getting kidnapped and held for ransom, asking money from their mommies. Girls being sold to another pimp or mamasan. One girl told me she had to climb out the window to escape because she knew she was being sold.

The girls I took to my hotel room all got called once they arrived in my room and another call once they were supposed to leave (since I always took ST the calls always came after 30-40 minutes). On the one hand this system seemingly offers some protection for the girls, but if I were a serial killer of the Ted Bundy variety out to kill Chinese prostitutes, the system wouldn't really be of any use. I would just say I want the girl for the whole night, then carve her up and leave the hotel with the chopped up girl in my suitcase the same night. The hotel wouldn't know me, since you can buy old European passports with other people's names on Ebay for a couple of bucks, which you could use in any cheap hotel in China for registering. The girls at the lobbies of those hotels can't tell the difference between various foreign passports anyway, mostly when you give them your passport to register, they ask you to fill in the form sheet for registering yourself, since they can't understand the language in your passport. So I don't really see much sense in this stupid phoning protection business. At best it gives you some insight that the girl is protected by some scumbag pimps and serves to intimidate harmless customers, while any killer type could easily get around it.

AsnDragon

10-11-09, 10:41

Phil,

There doesn't seem to be any other effective system, unless they hire a pimp for every girl, in which they stand outside of the door to make sure that the session is over and the girl is safe inside. But that is not an effective way of managing the mongering business.

But the way you described how a situation could go from potentially bad to absolutely horrific really scares me. I have never thought that a situation could end up like how you described it, but I hope that none of them Ted Bundys or Mansons come over to China. Let's just hope NOT!

AsnDragon

The girls I took to my hotel room all got called once they arrived in my room and another call once they were supposed to leave (since I always took ST the calls always came after 30-40 minutes). On the one hand this system seemingly offers some protection for the girls, but if I were a serial killer of the Ted Bundy variety out to kill Chinese prostitutes, the system wouldn't really be of any use. I would just say I want the girl for the whole night, then carve her up and leave the hotel with the chopped up girl in my suitcase the same night. The hotel wouldn't know me, since you can buy old European passports with other people's names on Ebay for a couple of bucks, which you could use in any cheap hotel in China for registering. The girls at the lobbies of those hotels can't tell the difference between various foreign passports anyway, mostly when you give them your passport to register, they ask you to fill in the form sheet for registering yourself, since they can't understand the language in your passport. So I don't really see much sense in this stupid phoning protection business. At best it gives you some insight that the girl is protected by some scumbag pimps and serves to intimidate harmless customers, while any killer type could easily get around it.

Weelock

10-11-09, 10:45

The hotel wouldn't know me, since you can buy old European passports with other people's names on Ebay for a couple of bucks, which you could use in any cheap hotel in China for registering.

If the hotel is doing its job, your passport is faxed ( sent ) over to the police station. On the registration form for the hotel, they will check and enter the dates and name on your visa. The name on the visa should match the passport. If your visa is not valid or something is wrong, you will have a hard time registering or the police coming over and asking questions about your fake passport.

On the other hand, local or Chinese citizens can get a fake id and register at a hotel with less problems that a foreigner. They would also blend in more. There are more checks if you are a foreigner. You are more likely to be noticed walking in with a working girl than a local Chinese citizen especially if you are a Westerner.

Remember, almost all 2 star hotel and above have cameras. Are you thinking of killing someone? I could name of a few ISG members you can kill. I guess anything can be forged and it depends how good it is.

Phil1980

10-11-09, 11:37

If the hotel is doing its job, your passport is faxed ( sent ) over to the police station. On the registration form for the hotel, they will check and enter the dates and name on your visa. The name on the visa should match the passport. If your visa is not valid or something is wrong, you will have a hard time registering or the police coming over and asking questions about your fake passport.

Eh, I have registered with my non-Chinese drivers licence in cheap hotels in China.

This whole security camera idea is BS as well, there are hundreds of thousands of CCTVs in certain cities like London or Beijing for example, so now these cities are free of crime, right?

Would the local pimps go to the public security bureau to complain about one of their working girls gone missing? Even if, would the local PSB follow up on such a case, because that would make for such good international headlines for local officials about sex tourists killing prostitutes in their district or rather give a rats ass about some unimportant peasant girl less?

I agree that it's easier to get away with killing somebody if you fit in with the local crowd though.

Weelock

10-11-09, 12:15

Would the local pimps go to the public security bureau to complain about one of their working girls gone missing? Even if, would the local PSB follow up on such a case, because that would make for such good international headlines for local officials about sex tourists killing prostitutes in their district or rather give a rats ass about some unimportant peasant girl less?

You must had registered at a low end 0, 1, or 2 star hotel.

There was a serial killer, killing prostitutes in Hong Kong. I think there was also one in Shenzhen. The police did do a full investigation. More cameras were installed and more security was around in Shenzhen. They caught someone in HK. For Shenzhen I don't know what was the results.

In China there are hundreds of girls that go missing. The PSB will do a investigation and the name will be place in a database like the others.

In your opinion, if a string of dead girl was reported, the local PSB would not care or investigate and newspapers would not report it. Then cameras are useless. This is NOT true.

If the hotel found a dead prostitute in your room, PSB will NOT try to find you or stop you at the border. This is NOT True also.

Meiguoguizi

10-11-09, 13:14

Overnighted 2 different regulars past couple nights.

Second one, I took on a stroll to the walking street and told her to choose and I'll do the bargaining - and we ended up buying a dress (40), a dress pants (40), a dress shirt (30), a tee shirt (10), a hoodee (25), a pair of shoes (45), 3 pairs or socks (6), a costume jewelry brooch (10 - to tie up her tee shirt and dress it up!)), a belt (10) AND a bottle of perfume (10) - all for about the cost of the first gal's single pair of jeans.

Only in China!!

SEAJ

I plead guilty to frequently buying clothes and lingerie for new and repeat companions PRIOR to the deed.
I am partial to spinners, so the size is always XS or S or 2 or 4.
The rationale is that without exception photos follow this gift of new clothes. Photographer being serviced by partially clad model is my favorite roleplay/foreplay.
For regular providers I have added the wrinkle of giving them a cheap flash drive with all their photos that they can take to the internet cafe and upload to their QQ page.

SE Asia Joe

10-11-09, 14:20

I plead guilty to frequently buying clothes and lingerie for new and repeat companions PRIOR to the deed.
I am partial to spinners, so the size is always XS or S or 2 or 4.
The rationale is that without exception photos follow this gift of new clothes. Photographer being serviced by partially clad model is my favorite roleplay/foreplay.
For regular providers I have added the wrinkle of giving them a cheap flash drive with all their photos that they can take to the internet cafe and upload to their QQ page.
Oh WOW!!!

PRIOR to the deed??

Jedez.... I'd be worried NOT if the gal is gonna be good to me or not but IF I really like her all that much. Picking a WG - any WG - is such an imprecise art, (at least it is to me!!) - that I'd be very happy if I get only 50% duds!

I'd hate to have already spent extra and unnecessary $$ to find out that she turns out to be a dud.

I'd only spoil those gals that I'd already done AND found to be good, not only to "improve" her mood and/or services, but mostly because those I find enjoyable in bed are usually those who I also find delightful out of it and when accompanying me doing just normal things. Just to make their dreary existence a bit better.

And I do get a bit of a stupid enjoyment at how they blossom when an old .... no, no,no, a good looking Blond Blue eyed muscular and tall .... guy like me treats them with a, little bit of knindness. Like I said, a little .... as there is no need for lavish and expensive gifts etc - that's only for AND demanded from suckers IMHO.

SEAJ

Kit Karson

10-12-09, 02:24

If anyone is looking for some company this weekend we are arriving on the 16th and will be hoping to hook up with some members of our club. kit

Csun213

10-12-09, 03:02

I agree with SE Asia Joe, I have also purchased small items for a couple of girls that I see every time I am in China. The girls gave great service every time even before I started purchasing small items. Nothing very expensive but around 100-150rmb price range. I do it because it make me happy to see them so happy to receive the small stuff.

Believe me, you get back much more than you spent.

Bad Boy Billy

10-13-09, 03:24

If anyone is looking for some company this weekend we are arriving on the 16th and will be hoping to hook up with some members of our club. kitArriving also on 16th - staying at Clipper for 2 days - which regulars are lilkely to be about please?

Bigboobman007

10-13-09, 10:12

Hi Guys,

I will be going to Danshui in Huizhou (virgin trip) from CA on 18th or 19th for about 2 days to tour sauna there before coming back to CP/CA again. Maybe, just maybe will check out the KTV scene there. Would you guys please recommend the top saunas and KTV there? I will be traveling by bus-don't know how exactly but will ask around-any advise on this/other things? Thanks guys. Also, I'd appreciate any sauna recommendation in our normal hunting ground-CA, CP, other Dongguan area. I saw reports that Zhuhai is down at the moment. Really running out of good saunas to check out. Man, I sound desperate.

SE Asia Joe

10-14-09, 19:39

Was staying at the Clipper last week and can you believe this, they're raising their prices RMB 30 across the board and NOT only for the Canton Trade fair. Prices are gonna stay up even after the fair!

Their reasoning - with all these new "luxury" hotels open/opening up charging higher prices, they need to also raise their price!! Can you believe this??!! That they actually think that just by charging higher prices that they're gonna be judged on par with the new luxury hotels.

I was flabbergasted, but my Clipper Manager buddy told me that THIS was the owner's exact reasoning. Incredible!

And then to cap it all off, they've actually shut down the sauna??
Say WHAT??!!
Yup - no sauna over at the Clipper no more!!

Pissed, I moved over to the Swan Lake even though THAT hotel is also a disaster still. But at least the price is more to my liking. They're re-jigging their lobby and so they've got awnings over a quarter of it and a canvas thingamajiggie over a great big hole opening in the back wall.... with funky smell emanating from it stinking up the whole lobby as if you've just stepped in the toilet! And of course the construction noises from the annex re-construction still banging away on the main hotel walls. Thank God they gave me a 9th floor room at least!!

I'm gonna have to find another "favorite" hotel soon - perhaps in another town - pretty soon!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-14-09, 20:17

Truly touched and felt sooooo privileged!

The gal who I went shopping with last week for the multiple items .... she came to my room with a great big bag of drinks and snacks. Just like that!

And the other one - the one who chose the 1 pair of jeans - she also came to my room (of course another separate time) bearing a tiny little stuffed toy as a present!! Just like that!

Not much in terms of $$ - but their thoughtfullness/consideration really touched me.

Nice huh??

Ahhhhhhhhh.....!!

SEAJ
Ps. Apologies for crowing!! But, hey I DO want to relay to you guys that not ALL wg's are hard hearted.

AsnDragon

10-14-09, 20:57

Seajoe,

Come on. You know how it works right? They put a little effort. And try to sneak into your heart. I mean you need to spend some money so they can lure in the big fish in the end right? You my friend, are they big fish they are eyeing at. A snack here and there, or a stuffed animal here and there, is a small price to pay to be potentially "sponsored"

Besides. What's a 25 year old man like you going to do with stuff animals?

AsnDragon

Truly touched and felt sooooo privileged!

The gal who I went shopping with last week for the multiple items .... she came to my room with a great big bag of drinks and snacks. Just like that!

And the other one - the one who chose the 1 pair of jeans - she also came to my room (of course another separate time) bearing a tiny little stuffed toy as a present!! Just like that!

Not much in terms of $$ - but their thoughtfullness/consideration really touched me.

Nice huh??

Ahhhhhhhhh.....!!

SEAJ
Ps. Apologies for crowing!! But, hey I DO want to relay to you guys that not ALL wg's are hard hearted.

Mongerxx

10-15-09, 06:27

Was staying at the Clipper last week and can you believe this, they're raising their prices RMB 30 across the board and NOT only for the Canton Trade fair. Prices are gonna stay up even after the fair!

Their reasoning - with all these new "luxury" hotels open/opening up charging higher prices, they need to also raise their price!! Can you believe this??!! That they actually think that just by charging higher prices that they're gonna be judged on par with the new luxury hotels.

I was flabbergasted, but my Clipper Manager buddy told me that THIS was the owner's exact reasoning. Incredible!

And then to cap it all off, they've actually shut down the sauna??
Say WHAT??!!
Yup - no sauna over at the Clipper no more!!
SEAJ

Well I wouldn't call it bad economics. The Clipper has become quite popular and is even running out of rooms on the weekends. Actually supply and demand at work, to see them raise their prices.

On the other hand, I can't see the economics behind closing the sauna. They had actually invested in converting a bunch of rooms and their efforts to build up the business seemed to be paying off. I can't believe that converting those rooms into another purpose will generate more profit.

As for the new Clipper price points, I agree I will look to move elsewhere. What other choices does one have in that 250-300 price range on the weekend? Walter Hotel, Hui Hua, Mayflower? Open to suggestions.

SE Asia Joe

10-15-09, 06:50

Well I wouldn't call it bad economics. The Clipper has become quite popular and is even running out of rooms on the weekends. Actually supply and demand at work, to see them raise their prices.

On the other hand, I can't see the economics behind closing the sauna. They had actually invested in converting a bunch of rooms and their efforts to build up the business seemed to be paying off. I can't believe that converting those rooms into another purpose will generate more profit.

As for the new Clipper price points, I agree I will look to move elsewhere. What other choices does one have in that 250-300 price range on the weekend? Walter Hotel, Hui Hua, Mayflower? Open to suggestions.
Yeah - but for how long is it gonna be fully booked - especially after the Canton Trade Fair?.

There's a whole slew of supply of rooms with the recently opened and soon to be opened Hotels in CP. It would have been smarter for them to have kept prices at the previous levels, steady the demand/try to keep their present clientelle - instead of pissing off people by raising the prices JUST when everybody knows there are competitive products coming on stream.

IMHO, their price rise couldn't have been timed worse. Yeah, OK, previous Canton Trade fairs HAD seen temporary price rises (but most hotels always took pains explaining to their clients, that's it's only for the duration of the Fair) - but the Clipper is actually letting people know that (at least they told me!!) this is a permament thing.

OK - the hunt is on for competitively priced, decent product in our favorite town!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-15-09, 06:54

Seajoe,

Come on. You know how it works right? They put a little effort. And try to sneak into your heart. I mean you need to spend some money so they can lure in the big fish in the end right? You my friend, are they big fish they are eyeing at. A snack here and there, or a stuffed animal here and there, is a small price to pay to be potentially "sponsored"

Besides. What's a 25 year old man like you going to do with stuff animals?

AsnDragon
Hell - it's not hard for these SYT things to get to the heart of a young softee like me!!

Hey, the motive for my li'l presents is about the same - to get into THEIR hearts. Getting into their pants ain't no rocket science - just Red Maos.... getting into their hearts..... Now that's a different kettle of fish altogether ain't it?

Me?? Big fish?? OH..... how I wish that were true!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-15-09, 07:31

Our little hamlet of quiet pleasures; a true heaven of illicit but harmonious conjugation; a true paradise for us in Southern China - Goes all to fuckin' hell every fucking Canton Trade Fair season!

Hotel rates jacked up, Saunas full, KTV rooms not available, restaurants with waiting lines ..... and it just had to happen; HAD to happen!!

I was doin' my one and only choice for the afternoon, givin' her the lovin', givin' her the care, doin' a Slower Better, trying to do a Santa Romance, moving right along.... and then.... WHAM!!

Errr... so nice, so much pleasure, oooooh, wow! Errrr... can we do this again soon..... WOW! Errrr I've got... another "booking" to go to!! Please let's do this again soon but errrr... let's finish it up soon as you can. Kiss, Kiss, hug hug, soulful eyes and another kiss.

The NERVE!! The GALL this li'l strumpet. Asking me to "Hurry it UP???" Groan.....!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-15-09, 09:55

Seajoe,

Well as you already stated before, girls in CP are all about the maos. They are short-sighted opportunists. But can you really blame them? Not really. Canton fair comes and goes. As far as I'm concerned, things now are still better than they were back in 2006-2007 days, when girls simply were overly-demanding- asking for tips, and giving horrific service-rushed and half-assed performance. But seeing how China's economy is picking back up again, it'll only be a matter of time until girls reach that level of self confidence, where they revert back to those 2006-2007 days of low-performance and poor service and attitudes.

I am quite surprised at Clipper's decision to remove the Sauna Business. I'm guessing they don't find it all that profitable, considering that their line up is not all that extensive. Granted, their girls gave very good service, but I don't see them having a competitive advantage in attracting customers to partake in sauna sessions. I believe the only way CP hotels can survive is to really focus on their forte, and advertise that out as their main marketing tactic. For example, Virgin is well known for their Sauna in CP so they put forth the effort to expand theit sauna rooms over and renovate new rooms. As for Clipper, their location is very good. But, they once again are very short-sighted like most China people. They are thinking that with Swan's recent renovation, they can command better pricing since their room quality is truly better than all other hotels in that strip: Manhattan, jiayi, mayflower, Swan Lake (except for the 9th floor). However, once Swan's old wing is newly finished and completed, Clipper will have no choice but to lower their pricing back to previous levels due to Swan's increasing competition. How China people usually do business is, they react to changes in market when they happen, they never strategically plan ahead.

As for other hotels in CP, I'm sure there are tons out there. However, location is always an issue. CP has no short supply of rooms whatsoever, but convenience is a major reasoning to be staying around Clipper area. I'm just waiting for Swan to finish up renovating. I was told that their pricing will be cheaper than the main building, and they will have super fast free Wi-Fi as well. As many people may know, Swan's current internet offerings suck-out of the 14 days I was there in Swan, the internet worked for 2 days. So I believe Swan will have major improvements and can a new favorite home for you SEAjoe.

P.S.- I think I have gotten misleading information about Clipper Sauna. from my sources it appears that they are renovating the rooms there to perhaps expand their Sauna services and operations. Nevertheless, it is currently closed. However, I'm sure it'll reopen soon after its renovation. Perhaps staffing more girls there to increase their Sauna reputation? I dunno, we'll see.

AsnDragon

Our little hamlet of quiet pleasures; a true heaven of illicit but harmonious conjugation; a true paradise for us in Southern China. Goes all to fuckin' hell every fucking Canton Trade Fair season!

Hotel rates jacked up, Saunas full, KTV rooms not available, restaurants with waiting lines. And it just had to happen; HAD to happen!

I was doin' my one and only choice for the afternoon, givin' her the lovin', givin' her the care, doin' a Slower Better, trying to do a Santa Romance, moving right along. And then. WHAM!

Errr. So nice, so much pleasure, oooooh, wow! Errrr. Can we do this again soon. WOW! Errrr I've got. Another "booking" to go to! Please let's do this again soon but errrr. Let's finish it up soon as you can. Kiss, Kiss, hug hug, soulful eyes and another kiss.

The NERVE! The GALL this li'l strumpet. Asking me to "Hurry it UP? " Groan.!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-15-09, 10:07

Hadn't been back to this Hotel KTV for ages. Now I remember why I stayed away for so long!!

3-6-1 pricing, fair enough I guess, since they ARE the only action in the immediate surrounds, but 5-15-20? I really just couldn't stomach THAT! Not after all the 2-5-8 CP KTV gals or even lower priced ones!

But what was actually most galling is the attitude of these gals. Hell, even our Rock Star party-er Dan Hawaii was getting "attitude" from both his gals.

Me-thinks its got a lot to do with who their regular patrons are - the locals and Taiwanese who are repeat - AND BSD - customers. One look at us mostly ABC's, CBC's with the 1 furrener amongst us and they figure that it's not worth their time/effort to service us properly - as we're not gonna be regulars anyway.

Nope, no professional pride or sense of duty to their vocation - just what's practical!! I even actually think that at least a couple of the gals there were 'acting up' so as to be discharged early and hopefully get another sitting at another party.

I actually only stayed couple or three hours as I just wasn't enjoying myself - and the rest of the party broke up before mid-night. We all hardly drank but the bill still came up to RMB 430 each. Ridiculous pricing for a ridiculously lousy night!

And by the way - the gals - even the suppossed model 5-15-20 ones - aint nuthin' special/some of 'em SHUD actually go back to the BBS's!

IMHO
SEAJ

Meiguoguizi

10-15-09, 13:06

There's a PhD thesis in Economics to be crafted in CP for some brave Tsinghua university grad student.
A flood of new hotels follows a downturn in the world economy that caused a collapse of the Dongguan manufacturing industry, yet resulting in an INCREASE in the price of services in the local sex entertainment industry.
Just as their wives have become designer trademark *****s with their Gucci and Prada labels, the Chinese nouveau riche businessmen need to parade their friends to the most expensive KTVs where they can buy 5000 rmb bottles of mediocre young French wine to mix with club soda, to toast while they hug their 2K overnight companion.
Designer pussy.

Big Swingin Dave

10-15-09, 18:13

Heymikey

10-16-09, 08:14

I'll post a full report in the next few days. I'm typing now via a proxy in a hotel room in Guangzhou that is SLLLLLOOOOOW. Anyway, I went to the Sheraton Dongguan last night, and it was terrific! I arrived early and alone, had a nice chat with a young sales manager named Leo, told him I wanted 2 beauties, not "models", but pretty and fun, no DJ, and I planned to depart within 2 hours or less.- and that after a few drinks and some singing I would take one up stairs. Within minutes I was in a decent room with the requisite fruit, and the line-ups began. I sent the first one away. The 2nd one included one AMAZING girl (my #1) with long hair and another with a short hair and seemingly a great body (#2). Little did I know. I gave a solid yes the girl #1, and a solid maybe for #2. The third line-up came, and evidently Mama had not pre-screened these girls as to which were available to go upstairs, as the group of 9 suddenly became 6 (periods, I was told), and then 3 new came. By then I had decided that #2 was jovial and a fun, so I sent the third group away and kept these 2. I'll go into detail later, but I plan to return tomorrow night! The price was indeed more than most KTVs, as others have said, (3-8-12) but these girls were the best I've ever seen in a single KTV. I had #1 spend the night. WOW! Again, I will share ALL after I return tomorrow. As I see no reason to make her even busier before I return. LOL

Heymikey

10-16-09, 08:30

Usbomber123

10-16-09, 16:35

A welcome relief for the Clipper increase is the LiHao hotel (a.k.a. New Wah Tai) which is behind the Swan Lake Shopping Center. You can get introductory rooms til the end of the month for 238 and 268 (not worth the extra 30rmb for slightly bigger room) which includes breakfast for 1 (you can get an extra one if you "ask" for it).

BSDClipper gave me 2 breakfasts everytime, For me and me girl. So what's the difference?

Wah Tai is nearer to Xin Di and more dangerous place to be at...why are you recommending Wah Tai? If 1 can afford 800 for a overnight, what is a 30RMB for safety?

You get better kickbacks from Wah Tai?

Member #1344

10-16-09, 20:12

Is there any sauna fun to be had in dalang? I saw reports for silver spring sauna but can't find it's Chinese name to tell a taxi driver. Can anyone help?

Wilde

10-16-09, 22:06

Is there any sauna fun to be had in dalang? I saw reports for silver spring sauna but can't find it's Chinese name to tell a taxi driver. Can anyone help?

大朗豪华银泉会所 should be the name in Chinese. However I don't think it is much better or different than those in CP or CA.

MpfsLover

10-17-09, 11:18

Clipper gave me 2 breakfasts everytime, For me and me girl. So what's the difference?

Wah Tai is nearer to Xin Di and more dangerous place to be at...why are you recommending Wah Tai? If 1 can afford 800 for a overnight, what is a 30RMB for safety?

You get better kickbacks from Wah Tai?

Hey Usbomber

BSD was simply responding to another monger's request to what other choices besides Clipper. You don't need to be so uptight about this.

Doesn't matter if he gets kickbacks or not. We are all big boys and can decide on our own.

Keep the flames down..

mpfslover

Pig Fat

10-17-09, 17:18

I agree with mpfslover it is not as if you are beholden to BSDavid. He can give you a price/quote whatever, but if you think you can get better by yourself then go ahead, no one is stopping you.

Jettsetter

10-18-09, 00:24

Clipper gave me 2 breakfasts everytime, For me and me girl. So what's the difference?

Wah Tai is nearer to Xin Di and more dangerous place to be at...why are you recommending Wah Tai? If 1 can afford 800 for a overnight, what is a 30RMB for safety?

You get better kickbacks from Wah Tai?

USBomber... perhaps getting laid a little more often might ease those tensions. Isn't this board about sharing information? Dave was just simply putting information down. Did you see him say "book through me," or anything remotely like that?

What useful information have you posted in your two posts other than trying to slam those that actually share quality information?

Stop taking those grumpy old man pills and have some fun... that's what we're all trying to do.

-J

Sex Lover

10-18-09, 11:12

To all the experience bro out there,

I got greenlight from wife to be able to travel to China the 1st time in my life.

Short trip : 4 days 3 nite

1st 2 nite will be in CP, staying in 雄獅 hotel. Then last nite in Macau.

Some advices needed from all experience brother......

- Can i take KTV girls out? What's the rate like? Any recommendation?

- Can i take Sauna girls out? I was told is not possible.

- Or what would be a good way to get 2 gals for 3some? Lesbian a bit if possible.

SE Asia Joe

10-18-09, 11:25

Clipper - latest is that they're renting out the Sauna rooms as regular rooms.

Their regular room reservations is fully booked out for most of the Canton Trade Fair and they've gone ahead and put up guests into the Sauna room!

They were only charging RMB 88 per sauna session for the room - and a helluva lot of times these sauna rooms were not occupied fully - guess they figure they can make more $$ by renting them out as regular rooms during the Fair?!

Chinese Economics..... Hmmmm...!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-18-09, 12:00

... about safety and crime in China and CP specifically?! This as I've spoken to a couple ISG members who think that I have not explained properly what I wanted to say regarding the Swan Lake/Yalan versus the Miraton area.

I would say that for the most part, China is quite safe compared to a lot of other countries. Having said that though, one must be aware that there is crime just about anywhere in the world and China is no exception.

Anywhere, one does need to be aware of one's surrooundings and act accordingly - especially as a foreigner, as one does stick out in a crowd and is most times considered "prime pickings" - because of perceived wealth, that a foreigner is less cognizant of when/where he may be in danger, that he would be less to cause problems (as he wouldn't have the resources/time to pursue cases etc).

CP in particular is NOT a very safe little town as the influx of visitors all here for the sex industry, for the most part, makes for a heady and dangerous mix.

Everybody knows that the Swan Lake/Yalan area is of course NOT safer than the Miraton area; that there is a lot of quite major crime here - especially those related to the actual hard core workings of the sex/drug industry is concerned; and by that I mean the protection rackets, territory, control of mommies and gals, pimps, runners etc. And it is precisely because of this that most people usually acts more cautiously and are definitely more aware of his own surroundings AND take pains NOT to cause trouble, make a scene, and NOT do things that puts attention to himself etc.

Another collateral to this area is the very fact that this IS Monger Central - and the big boys do NOT want petty crime to happen here and scare away the punters - and this the pick-pockets, scam BBS robbers, muggers etc KNOW very well and do stay away.

Compare this to the Miraton area - with its wide streets, Tall buildings and Strarbucks, McDonalds etc. All modern, civilized and seeming quite safe.... especially for a guy who's just checked into the Miratonand/or Hui Hua. Hmmmm....he thinks.... what's with all these sensational reports of crime?? B.S. he thinks and goes out all Hog wild, chasing every little SYT he sees and just exposing himself wide open to all sorts of problems, crime AND danger. This is what I need to clarify!

CP as a whole is not that safe, and especially for those newbies who all seem to just want to stay at the MIraton and Hui Hua area.

It's you guys who I am trying to warn!

Hope I clarify enough and please do note that it IS ONLY IMHO

SEAJ

Jammin 2

10-18-09, 12:37

I flew into HKIA thursday evening and took the bus to CP from the airport. It took about 3 hours total included emmigration (out of HK) and immigration (into mainland). Bus drops off at UBC coffee, it was a 6RMB taxi ride to Clipper. Checked into the Clipper (really nice room, thanks to BSD for reservation) and walked down to SWL for sauna. Got a cute girl, Yang Yang, from Hubei, 88 for the room for 2 hours, and 400 tips to the girl. Not bad, not as good service as virgin or miraton, in my opinion. The routine was not only mechanical but not performed too well. Oh well, I still enjoyed being with her. The room was quite dirty and the bed makes particle board feel like goose down.

Met up with BSD the next day, he was kind enough to lend me a SIM card for use for a day. Thanks! Met up with Bad Boy Billy, and he took me on a chicken run. We showed up at 3PM for the opening and he took two girls, and I only one, but mine had really nice C cup tits, and was a really cute 19yo from Hunan. I was turned off when I went into the room and the first girl pushed on me by the mommy was 15! I said no way! It almost killed the whole mood.

Went out to Manhattan KTV with Billy and a couple of others, but they left early. I took two girls as was hoping to set up some competition for my attention (I admit to being naive). One of the girls I chose was a looker but not available for take-out. The other was claimed by the mama to be her most playful, but she was fairly lifeless (no touching, no teasing, quiet). SEAJ showed up to say hi, and it was a pleasure to put the face with prolific writing. An interesting exchange of ideas between him and the others I was with about comparing china with the Philipines.

Tried to go on a night market run, but a couple of police cars sirens flashing stopped that. Back to the Yalan area,and pickings were slim. This is expected as Canton Fair had started and it was after midnight. Moved back to Baby's and I chose one and was still feeling the confidence infused into my brain from the wine from earlier so I took a second girl. I wanted to say I had done that once in my life. I don't think I would repeat. Basically one blows you and the other you get to screw. But without any girl on girl action or getting to screw both of them it just isn't that special for double the price.

Met Bruce Tea late at night and the following morning. Wish I stayed another night as he seemed like a cool guy to hang out with.

My only small complaint is when I asked BSD where the naked KTV was, he says, come back to CP again and I will book it for you. I was polite, and kept quiet. I mean I can understand wanted to keep a secret, but jeez, I am a regular poster, met in person and still won't share the info? This is not to inflame, he helped me a lot as he speaks perfect english and really good cantonese and knows the area really well. I genuinely appreciate all he did. I just philosophically prefer to teach a man how to fish, rather than selling him fish, so that he comes back to buy more fish from me.

P.S. if you are taking the local bus (as I didn't want to wait for the 3PM to leave HuiMei) to Zhuhai /Macau, it doesn't go all the way to the Gongbei border. Still need a 40RMB taxi to get you there. The local bus makes 2 stops before Zhuhai and takes close to 3 hours, but is only 80RMB.

Fran123

10-18-09, 20:20

My only small complaint is when I asked BSD where the naked KTV was, he says, come back to CP again and I will book it for you. I was polite, and kept quiet. I mean I can understand wanted to keep a secret, but jeez, I am a regular poster, met in person and still won't share the info? This is not to inflame, he helped me a lot as he speaks perfect english and really good cantonese and knows the area really well. I genuinely appreciate all he did. I just philosophically prefer to teach a man how to fish, rather than selling him fish, so that he comes back to buy more fish from me.

There are too many weird, personality issues, and discontent guys on ISG. Even if you are a senior member, he might be just testing to see if you are worthy. "One Wing Low" is an example of a senior member. He has his own thread and over 1000 post and he was shown around China a few years ago. Nobody trust him now nor wants to associate with "One Wing Low". The King is what he thinks of himself. It just takes a few guys to ruin it for everyone else.

Dave might not have the time, or it is a hard time booking a room because of the Canton Fair.

SE Asia Joe

10-19-09, 06:18

Met up with BSD the next day, he was kind enough to lend me a SIM card for use for a day. Thanks! ..........
Went out to Manhattan KTV with Billy and a couple of others, but they left .......................Met Bruce Tea late at night and the following morning. Wish I stayed another night as he seemed like a cool guy to hang out with............

My only small complaint is when I asked BSD where the naked KTV was, he says, come back to CP again and I will book it for you. I was polite, and kept quiet. I mean I can understand wanted to keep a secret, but jeez, I am a regular poster, met in person and still won't share the info? This is not to inflame, he helped me a lot as he speaks perfect english and really good cantonese and knows the area really well. I genuinely appreciate all he did. I just philosophically prefer to teach a man how to fish, rather than selling him fish, so that he comes back to buy more fish from me.

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For that night at the KTV, I asked Dave if he remembers to put in his usual RMB 200 hosting fee and he said "No.... too few guys and I'm actually just doing OAH a favor to arrange stuff for Bad Boy Billy. No big deal, plus I wasn't there all that much as they seem to have things under control and I've already made sure the DJ knows not to play any games/screw them on charges etc"

I hope you understand that when Dave arranges KTV parties, he not only get people together (as per your meeting Bruce and I etc) to make it a more lively affair, he actually watches the whole room the whole night to make sure that there is not going to be anything wrong.

I.e DJ's/Gals/mommies/managers etc bumbing up the price by ordering food, ordering cigarettes and candies, dolls, pop corn and then throwing away drinks.clearing away half full glasses, coming into the room with empty bottles under full bottles in order to count the empty bottles at the end of the evening , professional drinker (managers!! Yeah right!!) coming and cheering cheeringand drinking away etc. He also makes sure that theg als behave and that they don't scam the clients - and they've got so many tricks up their sleeves! AND the most important part - and that is - he tries to make sure that all the guys are going to be SAFE. For that, he charges a host fee of RMB 200 if under 5 guys and 300 for over (but he has a stupid habit of many times NOT charging this fee if he feels that he really has not done much to earn it!!)

And as has been discussed before, he of course does make the commission offered by the KTV managers who wants to curry favor with him - which is 3%, 5 and in a few cases 10%. AND BEFORE this blows all out of proportion again on these boards - please note that commissions to agents for Hotels, entertainment venues etc is a very normal way, legal and common practice in the travel and tour agency business and does NOT bumb up prices as such practice and commission is already in-built in the price structure.

NOw, about your question about the naked KTV - here you are a non-Chinese speaking foreigner, one that Dave has not charged anything, have been gracious in helping you out, lending you, arranging stuff etc and now asking for the name so that you can go to the KTV yourself whilst his job IS to be the one arranging for such nights and give him a bit of income? You're not only asking him to teach you how to fish but to to go ahead and give you fish from his pond, catch it and hook it onto your fishing line so that you can reel it in and show everybody that you've got the Whopper!

Please think again about your "Non-complaint, not to inflame" flame of Dave. Are you being fair?

SEAJ

Bad Boy Billy

10-19-09, 06:40

Firstly let me say it was a pleasure to finally meet a couple of CP legends in SEAJ and Wadman. Whilst our encounters were way to brief - now being able to to put a face to names is priceless.

Secondly a huge thank you to BSD or his logistical assistance. Any of you guys conmplaining about BSD assisting you and getting an éarn álong the way - you need to get a fucking reality check - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH.

Getting into CP for non-chinese speaking brothers aint easy - getting out is no easier - arranging hotels like the Clipper etc also quite a chore - not to mention the 'festivities' that are arranged and to which you will be invited but not compelled to attend.

Basically - if you are not prepared to contribute a small fee for the assistance - don't fucking ask for it - do your own thing - it aint rocket sceince.

Dave your assistance was priceless - 1,000 thank yous my friend - we gotta do this again sometime.

Finally to me old mate OAH - you are a LEGEND. OAH collected me from Canton Fair on Saturday and drove me back to CP - great time to shoot the shit in the car.

After we got back to CP straight into the 'çhicken run' - but not on foot - we travelled by limousine (pic attached).

OAH tell the boys how we almost got booted out of Swan Lake KTV for 'over inspecting' the goods.

JoeBanker00

10-19-09, 13:50

Just got back to Beijing from almost 2 weeks in CP and wanted to add my review. Huge thanks to BSD Dave for showing me around and arranging everything – saved me a lot of time and money (average KTV cost per night was 300 – 400 rmb compared to 1000 rmb going solo). I've been to KTVs/Saunas all over China and usually end up finding them on my own – but Dave has everything in CP mapped out in his little notebook. I think he does a great service to ISGers by organizing activities and putting people together to save everyone money and hassle. He can also arrange for transportation and hotel bookings. He does all of this for free – unless you need him as your personal tour guide, then you can negotiate something with him. If does get kickbacks from KTVs (as some people have pointed out) – well, he deserves it. He rarely partakes in the night's activities and spends all his time taking notes, watching the tab and making sure people have a good time.

Safety:

CP isn't as dangerous as it seems from reading the forums, but – CP is very, very local (even for a Mandarin speaking ABC living in China like me) and pretty run-down. Don't follow strangers into dark alleys and don't try to stare down locals and you'll be fine. Quantity:

There are a lot of girls in CP. A LOT. Definitely hands-down the working girl capital of China (maybe even of Asia). Almost every KTV here has 300 – 800 girls. BSD Dave arranged for KTV nights at Hui Hua, Eurasia, New Century, Manhattan, Peninsula, Virgin, Royal Garden (in Dalang) and maybe some I'm forgetting. Best thing about having so much supply in CP is that your success rate is 99% with the KTV girls here, compared to 1st tier cities where a number of the KTV girls won't go out. You'd have to be pretty foul, rude or cheap to get rejected by a KTV girl in CP.

Quality:

I live in Beijing, which has hot KTV girls from all over China, so that's my bar (an unfair one, I know). I think 90% of the girls in CP are NOT attractive at all – probably well below a 6 rating. That being said, there are a lot of women, so there are women for almost every taste here. At most of the KTVs we went to, there were a handful that were probably 7 or 8s with a majority of them being in the 4 to 6 range. Most of the girls here are from Hubei, Hunan, Anhui, etc. Also a number from Chongqing and Sichuan. You very rarely see the 1.7+ meter stunners from Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang that you see at KTVs at Beijing, Shanghai, Macau, etc. If you're looking for the tall stunners here – you're in the wrong city and if you do happen to find them, be prepared to pay 1st tier city prices.

Cost:

Personally, I found the prices a bit ridiculous for such run-down place like CP. I'm guessing that if CP weren't so convenient for BSDs from Taiwan and HK, the pricing would be 20 – 30% cheaper.

Most KTVs start around 500 rmb for a small room (higher for the better KTVs) + 200 rmb DJ fee + 15% service fee + sometimes other fees like a "program" fee. So if you go by yourself you're looking at 800 – 900 rmb before you even take the girl home.compare this to Xi'an and Zhu Hai where the room cost + tips will end up around 600 – 800 rmb. Even in a nice vacation destination like Sanya, you can get out the door in a KTV room for around 800 – 1000 rmb. In Beijing or Shanghai you can get the KTV room + tips out at around 1200 – 1600 rmb. CP is not cheap in this respect. Very average compared to a lot of places in China.

Most of the KTV girls are 2-5-8, the higher end ones are 3-8-10 and the "models" are 5-10-20 (keeping in mind being a "model" in a KTV just means you're over 1.65 meters or so – not necessarily pretty). Models in CP are NOT worth it. Go to a 1st tier city if you want to spend that kind of money. If you want really cheap KTV girls, go to Xi'an. They're 1-3-6 there, but Xi'an KTVs are smaller, maybe 100 – 200 girls.

Service:

It's hard to beat the 99% take-out rate in CP. I had GFE treatment from all of my girls while I was in CP, but I get GFE treatment from most of the KTV girls I meet in China. Treat them well (that doesn't mean to go out and buy them expensive gifts! ) and you get the same treatment in return. Treat them like shit and you get the same. All the girls I had were great in bed – sorry no details!

Other stuff:

Definitely check out Virgin Sauna. They have something like 90 rooms and 100+ girls. 250 – 300 rmb for the room fee and then 300 rmb for the girl. Decent selection of girls – not as hot as 18 or Rio in Macau, but for 1/3rd the price, I'm not complaining. Great service too.

I stayed at the Clipper. Cheap (BSD Dave booked for 270 rmb), free breakfast and internet, and fruits in the afternoon. It's clean, nice and comfortable. I'd stay there again.

Overall, I thought CP was great place to monger. It's a little one dimensional and got boring after a few days (2 weeks was definitely too long). Although playing golf during the day gave me a nice distraction. Also nice meeting all the other ISGers – will definitely make it down again!

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SE Asia Joe

10-19-09, 16:50

Damn Canton Fair!!

Had such a hard time trying to get a room past week-end. Full house signs up all over the favorite hotels - even Big Swingin Dave couldn't be swingin me a room at my usual favorites Swan Lake, Clipper, Miraton, Hui hua or even the King Long! Only got me in at the new Li Hao. To be fair though, I DID give him very short (errrr.... couple hours?!!) notice

Ok trundled off to this Li Hao - hey, not bad lobby structure - lots of gleaming marble, Chandeliers and spacious - but cheap lobby furniture! Really crap plastic (or as is known in the Thai threads - real genuine leather naugahide!!) sofas - as if they just moved it from the Walter hotel which is the sister hotel of the Li Hao. Incredible!

OK, 3 doormen all grabbing my li'l rolling back pack leading me to 7 - yes - SEVEN receptionists - (guess they believe in quantity and not quality!!) who of course does not have my reservation, don't even know the name of the hotel manager who BS Dave made the reservation with and were just running around asking me assinine questions and repeating everything to each other.

The manager came down Pronto (impressive) and straightened them all up and I thought, hmmmmm... they really do try huh!

OK, they then asked me for RMB 900 for my 3 days at 238/day - which I thought - OK reasonable. Went up to the room which I see is just about as luxurious as the The Clipper (not quite!!) and about the same size -Not bad, not bad at all at 238 I thought. Then the phone started ringing asking me to come down and pay an extra 600 for my deposit - that they should have collected RMB 500 per day - which I told them to go stuff it. But of course the fone calls - 5 of them - were incessant and I just had no choice but to ask BS Dave to intervene - and of course - no more problems!

And then it all started going down hill - Fridge not working, various electric plugs no electricity and the worst - no HOT water!! BUT - practically within seconds I had somebody at my door trying to resolve it all - new fridges, an electric extension panel and 3 guys working climbing in and out of ducts and pipes and.....Voila Hot water!! Impressive... ain't seen nuthin' being resolved so quickly in China - never happened before!!

But then.... no safe in my room! Apologies, sorries, shipment of safes coming in tomorrow. Guess what - 10 AM in the morning, with lots of apologies a phone call, to ask if OK to deliver a safe up!! OK - bring er up!! And then at noon, a knock on the door - delivering ANOTHER brand new safe!! And YES, I had 2 safes in my room the rest of my stay!!

The hotel is very OK for the price (including Breakfast), luxurious enough but I guess still a work in progress - but Hell, they DO try hard. That I will give 'em. Will probably stay there again and hope they'll fix it all up better by then.

SEAJ
Ps. when I checked out and asked for my official tax receipt... of course they didn't have it.... and one of the 7 gals had to hot foot it to the restaurant to "borrow" some receipts!! Incredible!