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SE Asia Joe

10-19-09, 18:10

To all the experience bro out there,

I got greenlight from wife to be able to travel to China the 1st time in my life.
Short trip : 4 days 3 nite
1st 2 nite will be in CP, staying in 雄獅 hotel. Then last nite in Macau.
Some advices needed from all experience brother......
- Can i take KTV girls out? What's the rate like? Any recommendation?
- Can i take Sauna girls out? I was told is not possible.
- Or what would be a good way to get 2 gals for 3some? Lesbian a bit if possible.
Sex Lover - you do ask a lot of questions don't you? MOST of your 60 posts have primarily been to ask questions without much of any reports.

But hey, OK, give you a chance - that you WILL start to post some reports after your visit here. Deal?

- Most KTV gals WILL go out - except if they're on their period or for whatever reason. But these gals who will NOT go out, will be clearly identified by say a different color tag, or their tag worn on one side instead of another or.... whatever, and you do need to ask the mommy which gals will go out or not and how to identify each kind. This is a very common question and you must NOT forget to ask.

- Most CP KTV's are 2-5-8 i.e. 200 to sit with you all night, a TOTAL of 500 if you take them short time (you do not pay the 200 sitting fee extra) or 800 for overnight. A few places have different higher priced "model" type gals and it could be 3-6-9 or 3-8-10, or 5-15-20 etc and again YOU MUST ask the mommie which gals are how much (different tag/dress etc). And of course the higher priced venues like the Royal Garden, Prince or the new Euro Asia which are higher priced. ASK the MOMMIE first before choosing in any case.

- Sauna gals normally will not go out with you - but everything is negotiable -and if you offer enough $$ just about ANY gal will go out - right? Basic start to negotiations would be the number of perceived clients that the gal SHOULD be able to do to the end of their shift X the charge for each session - so it's gonna cost you LOTS! Not worth it probably - not unless you're a real Valentino and can manage to charm a Sauna gal (not likely!) to want to forget about $$ and everything and just run away with you!!

- Get doubles triple fourples or whatever ples at a BBS for RMB 200/gal AFTER you discuss your requirements with the mommie - but forget about any lesbo action. It ain't gonna happen in China - not likely anyway! You can also ask your KTV gals the same request - some gals prefer this as it's less work for them - but then again - no Lesbo action and ASK!

damn - what am I doin"?? I should instead just be asking you to Fuckin' RTFF - for all this info has been written time and time again here. BUT, I do want to see if you will live up to the deal I'm making - that you WILL write a report instead of just always asking questions.

Ok Amigo??

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-19-09, 19:47

Dang it Joe! You could have made fun of all the other groups of mongers, but you JUST had to put me in that group of taiwanese guys huh? Don't hate me because i'm a successful Taiwanese BSD factory owner here.

But I would have to agree with you, many of those Taiwanese tour groups really do have problems with their manners. In fact they give us a bad reputation. Most BBS girls don't like Taiwanese or have a bad impression of Taiwanese clients. So from now on, i'm just going to say that I'm a Factory owner from Singapore now. They seem to get the best treatment or respect out of the BBS girls. Well...excluding you it seems Mr. Don Juan- giving girls small gifts to get into their hearts and pants.

AsnDragon

Good grief - to add to the chaos.... we're now getting more of these Taiwanese "regular joes" tour groups.

The 7 of us were on our chicken run - and everywhere we went, we were shadowed/followed by a group of 17 Taiwanese guy!! Seventeen I counted!! Hell, most BBS's only had a handful gals left - and here there's a total of 24 of us going to each BBS!

Talked to a few of my regulars - and next to the rough Locals (who usually insist on getting them drunk.... and then NOT take them out), comes these Taiwanese "regular Joes" tour group as their least favorite guys to have as customers.

When is this all going to resolve itself - if ever?!!
Gotta find me another easier mongering destination methinks!!

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand

10-20-09, 05:58

Had such a hard time trying to get a room past week-end. Full house signs up all over the favorite hotels - even Big Swingin Dave couldn't be swingin me a room at my usual favorites Swan Lake, Clipper, Miraton, Hui hua or even the King Long! Only got me in at the new Li Hao. To be fair though, I DID give him very short (errrr.... couple hours?!!) notice

I turned up in CP without a reservation. BBB was at the Clipper. I pulled in and begged the Asst. Mgr. for a room. Sorry!

She gave me a sauna room. It was OK, but they forgot to put towels in it. Came back with a BBS girl and no towels. It was a little strange coming into a sauna with your own girl and all the people at the front desk watching you. They sorted the towels out, but there were no room amenities, glasses, water, etc. Called again for a shower cap. They delivered one of those amentity boxes. By the time I got down to the deed, I was losing my interest but she turned out to be a real tropper.

BBB and I went for the buffet. Not bad for 75 RMB. After dinner, we pulled from the New Swan Lake BBS for round 2. One of the mamas was giving BBB a hard time for molesting all the girls. He just wanted to check the merchandise. I guess it is the same as squeezing fruit in the market. Does it bruise?

My second girl was a bit of a dead fish.

I checked out at around 9:30PM. A group of LE were there checking the computer at the front desk. One of them had a list of names. I don't know what it was all about.

OAH

SE Asia Joe

10-20-09, 06:24

I turned up in CP without a reservation. BBB was at the Clipper. I pulled in and begged the Asst. Mgr. for a room. Sorry!

She gave me a sauna room. It was OK, but they forgot to put towels in it. Came back with a BBS girl and no towels. It was a little strange coming into a sauna with your own girl and all the people at the front desk watching you. They sorted the towels out, but there were no room amenities, glasses, water, etc. Called again for a shower cap. They delivered one of those amentity boxes. By the time I got down to the deed, I was losing my interest but she turned out to be a real tropper.

BBB and I went for the buffet. Not bad for 75 RMB. After dinner, we pulled from the New Swan Lake BBS for round 2. One of the mamas was giving BBB a hard time for molesting all the girls. He just wanted to check the merchandise. I guess it is the same as squeezing fruit in the market. Does it bruise?

My second girl was a bit of a dead fish.

I checked out at around 9:30PM. A group of LE were there checking the computer at the front desk. One of them had a list of names. I don't know what it was all about.

OAH
1. Whoa Dere pardner - what WAS going on with the LE checking the computer?? That's getting me a bit worried - and it's something which we all should be worried about. If you ever find out more about this matter, I'm sure you'd be doing all of us a big favor if you would write about it here. Mebbe you can fone your fiancee the assistant manager and find out.

2. What did you end up paying for the Sauna room usage? Are these sauna rooms gonna be available for the rest of the Canton Trade Fair? Until they can get the sauna operation re-started?

3. So it WAS you guys they were talking about. Oh SHIT!! Was at the Jun Hui and talking with a couple of the head mommies and they were going on and on about some Laowais who was acting all BSD and talking nonsense and baring gals' tits and squeezing and..... And questioning ME, MOI - if I'd been the one who send these guys there, as they vaguely recall me being with you in the past OAH. I'd say that you guys were lucky that the scene didn't get ugly as they were quite pissed.

And by the way, the mommies at the Jun Hui were telling me that they now GENERALLY side with the gals if a particular gal do not want to take on a laowai. They told me that they've had a few other bad "incidents" of late and since they do not make any more doing laowais - there's no reason to force a gal if they don't want to do something. In fact, they HAD lost money as some of the gals did get injured/was out of action for a few days doing Laowais as these guys WERE (allegedly) larger and apparently had been "chemically assisted."

Sorry to have to tell you all this - but I guess it's inevitable when we got so many BSD newbies coming to CP and giving a bad impression. Impression that they apply to every one they consider to belonging within that group.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-20-09, 06:40

Yes you can take KTV girls out as long as they are not on their Rags...I do know of someone who like the rags and pays extra to take a raggy doll out...each to their own. 800RMB.

Yes you can take Sauna girls out. Just book them for the whole night, but I will recommend you take 2 short term for some 3 way action for the same price as 1 all night.

3 Way action, choose a girl you like and ask her to bring a friend, once again, Sauna girls give a better experience. Genuine Lesbian action..LOL..Good Luck! Better off offering a bigger tip for them to hone their acting skills.
You serious?? Genuine Lesbo action?

When? Where? How.... did you find such needle in the China haystack?

Closest I got to genuine lesbo action in China was a couple Filipinos operating out of Shenzhen for a few days whilst they were on a Visa run - and have NEVER had any luck with local gals - not even close to seein' any lesbo action.

Details please!! Perhaps by PMS as I certainly don't want such a treasure trove of information to be generally known.

On your "you can take KTV girls out as long as they are not on their Rags" - this is not true as these gals can and do have their own other reasons not to go. It's when she shows up at the parade indicating that she is available to go out that she is truly commited to going out - and if she refuses, then you can complain to the mommy who will force her to go. But here - it's a lose lose situation for what are you gonna get if the gal is forced to do something against her will.

More dastardly are those gals who do wear an "available for take-out" Tag, sits with you and then decide not to want to go with you - for whatever reason.

She then pulls out her "bag of tricks" to try to get out of going out with you i.e. stomach ache, emergency fone call, too drunk, her BF just found out where/what she's doing - and even this: going to the toilet, take out her "always with her already stained (with food coloring? Ink? God knows what!) period pad," wear it and then going back out and profusely apologizing that she just started her period. Just some of the scams these little vixens have up their sleeves as then they can get YOUR sitting fee, be discharged early and hopefully get another sitting OR an overnighter more to her liking.

To avoid this type of problem, one does need to NOT act like an idiot, treat them as human beings, get to know and be friendly with them etc. Then you'd have a much higher chance of not only getting them to go with you, but for them to take pains to make the session highly satisfactory.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Weelock

10-20-09, 07:46

3. So it WAS you guys they were talking about. Oh SHIT!! Was at the Jun Hui and talking with a couple of the head mommies and they were going on and on about some Laowais who was acting all BSD and talking nonsense and baring gals' tits and squeezing and..... And questioning ME, MOI - if I'd been the one who send these guys there, as they vaguely recall me being with you in the past OAH. I'd say that you guys were lucky that the scene didn't get ugly as they were quite pissed.

A few of the mommies told me there is a few regular Laowais always grope their girls and never pick anyone. The mommies get very upset. It is like opening packages in a store, testing the merchandise and not buying anything. I suggest, if you are NOT interested, even when the mommie throws the girl in your face, don't grope her for the fun of it. This is just my opinion. Now it is a different story if you are thinking about taking her out and not sure how the girl feels about you.

And by the way, the mommies at the Jun Hui were telling me that they now GENERALLY side with the gals if a particular gal do not want to take on a laowai. They told me that they've had a few other bad "incidents" of late and since they do not make any more doing laowais - there's no reason to force a gal if they don't want to do something. In fact, they HAD lost money as some of the gals did get injured/was out of action for a few days doing Laowais as these guys WERE (allegedly) larger and apparently had been "chemically assisted."

Strange ? Jun Hui is no where near most of the other cluster of BBS. If it was not for a runner, I would have never found the new location for Swan Lake. Someone or a running must have shown these Laowai to Jun Hui. I wonder what is the situation with the other BBS with Laowais and guys with large tools. I hope they all don't feel the same way.

This has been mentioned in the past. If the girl is not interested, scared, shy, don't pick her even if the mommie forces the girl to go. This is true even for non-Laowais. You will be guarantee bad service.

Jun Hui ( old Swan Lake ) have some of the most pushy and rude mommies in CP But overall, they have some of the best looking girls for BBS.

SE Asia Joe, I think the mommies are expecting you to tell them off IF they are your friends.

SE Asia Joe

10-20-09, 08:58

SE Asia Joe, I think the mommies are expecting you to tell them off IF there are your friends.
You nuts Weelock? - do you really think I would admit to knowing guys who they got issues with?

Naaaaaahhhh.... ALL my friends are good guys and would NEVER do such things!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-20-09, 09:09

Dang it Joe! You could have made fun of all the other groups of mongers, but you JUST had to put me in that group of taiwanese guys huh? Don't hate me because i'm a successful Taiwanese BSD factory owner here.

But I would have to agree with you, many of those Taiwanese tour groups really do have problems with their manners. In fact they give us a bad reputation. Most BBS girls don't like Taiwanese or have a bad impression of Taiwanese clients. So from now on, i'm just going to say that I'm a Factory owner from Singapore now. They seem to get the best treatment or respect out of the BBS girls. Well...excluding you it seems Mr. Don Juan- giving girls small gifts to get into their hearts and pants.

AsnDragon
Ahhh yes - but you're already well known as the old and decrepit BUT rich guy who does Chiqong training on your dick. The gals all keep on asking me if you finally managed to lift that 50KGS weight with your tool that you've been talking about or are you still struggling with your usual 48 KGS? They're all cheering you on - BTW.

And PUHLEEEEESE!! Don't let me get started about Singaporeans - Again - and again get in trouble here! But a Rich Singaporean factory owner is indeed a good cover - coz yes - Singaporeans INDIVIDUALLY are perfect little pliable pussy cats in the hands of these CP vixens - always wide eyed at such beauty, at such quality, at such price, at such GFE and cain't wait to shower em with gifts and large amounts of cash!! (ooops - just kiding. just kidding - please dont get on my case - OK? Please?? Terima kasih!!)

SEAJ

Sex Lover

10-20-09, 11:13

Sex Lover - you do ask a lot of questions don't you? MOST of your 60 posts have primarily been to ask questions without much of any reports.

But hey, OK, give you a chance - that you WILL start to post some reports after your visit here. Deal?

- Most KTV gals WILL go out - except if they're on their period or for whatever reason. But these gals who will NOT go out, will be clearly identified by say a different color tag, or their tag worn on one side instead of another or.... whatever, and you do need to ask the mommy which gals will go out or not and how to identify each kind. This is a very common question and you must NOT forget to ask.

- Most CP KTV's are 2-5-8 i.e. 200 to sit with you all night, a TOTAL of 500 if you take them short time (you do not pay the 200 sitting fee extra) or 800 for overnight. A few places have different higher priced "model" type gals and it could be 3-6-9 or 3-8-10, or 5-15-20 etc and again YOU MUST ask the mommie which gals are how much (different tag/dress etc). And of course the higher priced venues like the Royal Garden, Prince or the new Euro Asia which are higher priced. ASK the MOMMIE first before choosing in any case.

- Sauna gals normally will not go out with you - but everything is negotiable -and if you offer enough $$ just about ANY gal will go out - right? Basic start to negotiations would be the number of perceived clients that the gal SHOULD be able to do to the end of their shift X the charge for each session - so it's gonna cost you LOTS! Not worth it probably - not unless you're a real Valentino and can manage to charm a Sauna gal (not likely!) to want to forget about $$ and everything and just run away with you!!

- Get doubles triple fourples or whatever ples at a BBS for RMB 200/gal AFTER you discuss your requirements with the mommie - but forget about any lesbo action. It ain't gonna happen in China - not likely anyway! You can also ask your KTV gals the same request - some gals prefer this as it's less work for them - but then again - no Lesbo action and ASK!

damn - what am I doin"?? I should instead just be asking you to Fuckin' RTFF - for all this info has been written time and time again here. BUT, I do want to see if you will live up to the deal I'm making - that you WILL write a report instead of just always asking questions.

Ok Amigo??

SEAJThanks bro for the input.

Deal, very fair. I will sure have my input after my trip. Thanks again for your tips.

JoeBanker00

10-20-09, 19:13

I have to say, I love taking sauna girls out. I always get numbers of girls if they offer a great session. Take your phone with you (don't leave it in your locker like a chump) and call the girl's cell phone so she has your number as well. I mean, if you're in it only for the sex, what better way to insure quality than to pick up a girl right after you take her for a test drive?

It doesn't even cost that much. I've been going to Rio and 18 in Macau (where it's 1600. 2000 HKD for a session) for a while now and have taken countless girls out overnight for only 1000 HKD. That's a BARGAIN, especially considering how hot and well trained the sauna girls in Macau are! One time a girl told me she just charged a Japanese customer 3000 HKD the night before. So I gave her 2000 HKD. She gave me back 1000 HKD and told me she felt bad taking that much money from me. How often does THAT happen? I've also taken sauna girls from other parts of China. Usually you can negotiate overnight for around the same as 1 session in the sauna (since the girls usually get 50% or less of what you pay the sauna). Usually anywhere from 400 RMB (in places like Zhu Hai) to 800+ RMB in places like Shanghai/Beijing. Hell, one time I even got a "handjob" specialist from a non-FS sauna to come over to my place several nights in a row. When I offered her money, she was insulted and said "can't you see me as just a regular girl? " What luck!

In general. If you put on a great "performance" and the girl enjoys your session, they're more likely to go out with you. If you're not a sleezeball and don't force them to <insert whatever weird sexual fetish you have , they're more likely to go out with you. If you're NICE to them, have a sense of humor (or pretend to have one), they're more likely to go out with you. Think about the guys they have to do all day. Guys who go in, expecting to do whatever the hell they want with the girl just because they put up some petty cash, forcing the girls to kiss and bend over backwards for them, being rude, threatening to tell the manager on them, etc, etc. It's pretty stressful. The LAST thing they want to do when they get off work is to go spend more time with a guy like that! Just like everyone wants GFE, sauna girls need BFE too!

- Sauna gals normally will not go out with you - but everything is negotiable -and if you offer enough $$ just about ANY gal will go out - right? Basic start to negotiations would be the number of perceived clients that the gal SHOULD be able to do to the end of their shift X the charge for each session - so it's gonna cost you LOTS! Not worth it probably - not unless you're a real Valentino and can manage to charm a Sauna gal (not likely!) to want to forget about $$ and everything and just run away with you!!EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

SE Asia Joe

10-21-09, 06:08

I have to say, I love taking sauna girls out. I always get numbers of girls if they offer a great session. Take your phone with you (don't leave it in your locker like a chump) and call the girl's cell phone so she has your number as well. I mean, if you're in it only for the sex, what better way to insure quality than to pick up a girl right after you take her for a test drive?

It doesn't even cost that much. I've been going to Rio and 18 in Macau (where it's 1600. 2000 HKD for a session) for a while now and have taken countless girls out overnight for only 1000 HKD. That's a BARGAIN, especially considering how hot and well trained the sauna girls in Macau are! One time a girl told me she just charged a Japanese customer 3000 HKD the night before. So I gave her 2000 HKD. She gave me back 1000 HKD and told me she felt bad taking that much money from me. How often does THAT happen? I've also taken sauna girls from other parts of China. Usually you can negotiate overnight for around the same as 1 session in the sauna (since the girls usually get 50% or less of what you pay the sauna). Usually anywhere from 400 RMB (in places like Zhu Hai) to 800+ RMB in places like Shanghai/Beijing. Hell, one time I even got a "handjob" specialist from a non-FS sauna to come over to my place several nights in a row. When I offered her money, she was insulted and said "can't you see me as just a regular girl? " What luck!

In general. If you put on a great "performance" and the girl enjoys your session, they're more likely to go out with you. If you're not a sleezeball and don't force them to <insert whatever weird sexual fetish you have , they're more likely to go out with you. If you're NICE to them, have a sense of humor (or pretend to have one), they're more likely to go out with you. Think about the guys they have to do all day. Guys who go in, expecting to do whatever the hell they want with the girl just because they put up some petty cash, forcing the girls to kiss and bend over backwards for them, being rude, threatening to tell the manager on them, etc, etc. It's pretty stressful. The LAST thing they want to do when they get off work is to go spend more time with a guy like that! Just like everyone wants GFE, sauna girls need BFE too!

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YUP! That's what you've done!

OK, OK 25 year old blond blue eyed in the peak of our physical prime young guys like us probably don't qualify as an old guy - but you've nonetheless taught me a new trick!

Have never even bothered to consider sauna gals as being candidates for the BFE treatment as I had seen them all as just being too jaded to ever have their defenses broken down - but now I see the light.

Next time I'm at a sauna, I won't just let her "do" me (as had been dictated by my pre-conceived concepts about the dynamics of a sauna gal), and will try to be pro-active as you've suggested. Let's see how far I go!!

Wish me luck

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-21-09, 08:35

Please hurry up!

The nerve......!

SEAJ

Epicurien2

10-21-09, 10:36

Hello guys,

Finally I've got time to share my experiences on my first trip ever in China particulary in Chang ping / chang an for 8 nights.

First I want to thanks BSD for his advices and guidings.

I don't speak a word of Chinese and found that it was frustating for relations with the ladys and in the city itself considering nobody speaks english.

Fortunately I'got in touch with BSD and met some nice guys to hang with and party with.

Just after landing a taxi waited me and brought me to the Clipper hotel, a nice hotel considering the price/quality, rates were 268 rmb/nights, as a welcome I went for a sauna session at 3 am, for those of you who doesn't know this style of sauna is comparable to a massage parlor in thailande except who have to choose the lady from lines up in the room, the session was ok got 2 pops but the girl was a little in hurry to finish her shift.

The day after we went to a street nearby for some BBS actions, I thought you really get to Barber shop but this one was more of a big flat with plenty of girls inside more like a " dormitory " in manilla, gave 100 rmb to the mamasan and went back to my room with the lady, can't remember the actions, nothing particular but I remember the girl asking me for 200 rmb after the deed but I had already paid 100 rmb, normally the girl gets only 100 rmb, she was really serious and knowing I was not speaking Chinese she played on it. Until I took my phone pretending to call, she got scared and took the 100 and went back.

Basically I only went for KTV partys during all the trip, being a big sleeper! And the KTV starting early 7.00 pm, combined with some foot massage in the afternoon.

KTV for those of you who doesn't know, is all about having fun with the girls and the guys, by playing drinks games and singing, first you got to choose 1, 2. Girls from lines up, some are really impressive speaking of quantity

I can remember 2 nice nights, the first one in CP in the naked KTV and the one in chang also in the naked KTV!

When I heard naked KTV I went totally for it, sorry guys for those of you I've scared but this was really fun, after all I'm french!

To sum it up I enjoyed my stay there, I've done mostly only ST and maybe 2 Overnight, I didn't explode my fuck per day ratio, far from that, but enjoyed partying with nice guys.

After all before coming to CP I spent one week in Bangkok and after CP one week in Pattaya. So my average ratio is still good!

Next time I'm heading to Macao.

Cheers

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JoeBanker00

10-21-09, 10:45

Thanks Joe. I think being nice goes a long way.

I have to laugh a little bit everytime I read a post by someone about their poor sauna experience. Guys always complain the girl didn't give them GFE treatment or they didn't get a BBBJ and wanted to complain to management. Kissing customers and giving BBBJs is usually not part of the "service" at a sauna. That's a priviledge the customer has to earn!

I can probably count on one hand the number of times I received a CBJ instead of a BBBJ from a sauna girl and I've rarely had a session I'd define as "mechnical." Making small talk definitely softens the girls up a lot. Don't act like you go to saunas everyday. Be a bit shy, etc. Some of this might be tough for lao wais who don't speak the language, but that's unfortunate, as the language is pretty important. You wouldn't expect to get good service in the US if you didn't speak English (hell, you can't even get good service in the US if you DO speak English). What makes it any different coming to China? Silly foreigners.

Joe. Since you're such a Romeo, maybe you should try taking small gifts to saunas for your girls. I bet they'll be following you home like puppy dogs after a little romance from you!

YUP! That's what you've done!

OK, OK 25 year old blond blue eyed in the peak of our physical prime young guys like us probably don't qualify as an old guy - but you've nonetheless taught me a new trick!

Have never even bothered to consider sauna gals as being candidates for the BFE treatment as I had seen them all as just being too jaded to ever have their defenses broken down - but now I see the light.

Next time I'm at a sauna, I won't just let her "do" me (as had been dictated by my pre-conceived concepts about the dynamics of a sauna gal), and will try to be pro-active as you've suggested. Let's see how far I go!!

Wish me luck

SEAJ

Heymikey

10-21-09, 11:25

Name: Ling Ling at Sheraton Dongguan

Body Shape:4/5 (Perfect ass, BEAUTIFUL face with long hair, smallish breasts, small but long bush)

Skill: 5/5

Service: 5/5

Describe the process in details: I went to the Sheraton Dongguan last week, and it was terrific! I arrived early and alone, had a nice chat with a young sales manager named Leo, told him I wanted 2 beauties, not "models", but pretty and fun, no DJ, and I planned to depart within 2 hours or less.- and that after a few drinks and some singing I would take one up stairs. Within minutes I was in a decent room with the requisite fruit, and the line-ups began. I sent the first line-up of 9 girls away completely. Though one tall beauty with a star on her shoulder interested me. The 2nd line-up included one AMAZING girl (Ling Ling, #2012) with long hair and another with a short hair and seemingly a great body (Ping Ping #312). Little did I know how great! I was told that Ling Ling was new – and had only been there 2 months, but Ping Ping had been there 1 year. (Ling is only 19, Ping is 22.) I gave a solid yes to Ling Ling, and a solid maybe for Ping Ping. The third line-up came, and evidently Mama had not pre-screened these girls as to which were available to go upstairs, as the group of 9 suddenly became 6 (periods, I was told), and then 3 new came in as replacements.

By then I had decided that Ping Ping was jovial and a fun, so I sent the third group away and kept these 2. Both was a great choice! The price was indeed more than most KTVs, as others have said, (3-8-12) but these girls were the best I've ever seen in a single KTV. We had fun in the room – we sang a little, but mostly we played dice, and Ping seemed to enjoy helping me get Ling drunk – she even helped me cheat a few times to set Ling up for a drink. (Insider information LOL.) Not long after I told Leo that I would be choosing Ling for the night, the mamma came in to "borrow" Ping for a model show. Ling wanted to watch before we departed. We went into the main room, and about 6 girls were modeling bikinis. At that point I got my first good look at Ping (after a few good feels earlier) and she was amazing! She has perfect natural 32ds, plus a nice 6-pack. All together, likely the nicest body I've ever seen on a Chinese girl. (I was beginning to re-think my choice.) After the show, Ling left to change into her casual clothes, and I was left to grope Ping in her uniform. DOUBLE WOW. I told her then that the next night I would return for her overnight. She seemed very pleased and we shared phone numbers.

My night with Ling was as close to GFE as one can get – you name the abbreviation (BBBJTC, CIM, COF, etc). We had 3 or 4 nice full-contact sex events throughout the evening, including any and every position I desired. And a few that she demanded. LOL She blew me about every way possible – before, during, and after sex. At one point when I pulled away to cum away from her mouth she INSISTED to swallow me! In the morning, after a great bout of rather tender covered GFE sex, she popped-off the cover and did the same thing again. I hated to see her go. And then, throughout the next 2 days BOTH girls continued to text me. Even in broken English it was flattering.

Is it worth a retry? Retry index: 10/10 The Sheraton Dongguan is top notch!

I already returned 2 nights later! (And I might again in a few days.) I called Leo to reserve the room in advance for the 2nd night. What I intended to do was take away Ping, but Leo and I got our signals crossed, and upon my arrival BOTH girls were waiting for me in the same room. Ling was in her street clothes, and Ping was all over me telling me that a 3-some was "great" with her. However, Ling really wanted none of that. CAT FIGHT! Not really, but it was a bit uncomfortable. LOL I took Ling again that night also, but my plan is to get this set with Leo for next week when I visit again. I'll keep you informed.

I did break tradition and take a few photos with my cell phone, but I need to figure out how to get them uploaded. Please be patient.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

BruceTea

10-21-09, 18:59

2. What did you end up paying for the Sauna room usage? Are these sauna rooms gonna be available for the rest of the Canton Trade Fair?

Don't know about OAH, but I paid 270 rmb for the SN room.

They had all the bathroom stuff, but no safe, no carpet (floor very cold), no internet line, no fridge, and no hairdryer (even after 3 requests). The room I was in had a telephone that didn't work and you could hear people walking in the hallways.

Chang Ping

10-22-09, 01:50

YUP! That's what you've done!

OK, OK 25 year old blond blue eyed in the peak of our physical prime young guys like us probably don't qualify as an old guy - but you've nonetheless taught me a new trick!

Have never even bothered to consider sauna gals as being candidates for the BFE treatment as I had seen them all as just being too jaded to ever have their defenses broken down - but now I see the light.

Next time I'm at a sauna, I won't just let her "do" me (as had been dictated by my pre-conceived concepts about the dynamics of a sauna gal), and will try to be pro-active as you've suggested. Let's see how far I go!!

Wish me luck

SEAJDamn now that the secrets out. I must confess that since trying this out on my last trip (after being somewhat turned off by the deteriorating standards of KTV gal services. Please see my earlier post re experiences at the now defunct Clipper Sauna). It sure as hell works for me! So at risk of creating competition for myself. Go for it Joe!

Now with my upcoming trip. I have already lined up overnight company with at least 2 of them. Can someone say BLISS? .

Oh oh sidenote. One of the gals spent time with me outside of her work at absolutely no charge. Kept calling me to ask where I was etc. We have kept in touch and I did indicate to her my wanting her to spend time with me and as always I make it clear upfront that I will always PAY because I understand she needs the money. So when I ask her how much. She replies "anything. Up to you bah" Now given that response, I am curious to see how you guys would respond.

SE Asia Joe

10-22-09, 12:17

Name: Ling Ling at Sheraton Dongguan

Body Shape:4/5 ..........
I did break tradition and take a few photos with my cell phone, but I need to figure out how to get them uploaded. Please be patient.

GREAT report Heymikey - look forward to the pictures!!

My imagination's gone wild from your nice writing and cain't wait to see how good they must look!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-22-09, 12:24

Damn now that the secrets out. I must confess that since trying this out on my last trip (after being somewhat turned off by the deteriorating standards of KTV gal services. Please see my earlier post re experiences at the now defunct Clipper Sauna). It sure as hell works for me! So at risk of creating competition for myself. Go for it Joe!

Now with my upcoming trip. I have already lined up overnight company with at least 2 of them. Can someone say BLISS? .

Oh oh sidenote. One of the gals spent time with me outside of her work at absolutely no charge. Kept calling me to ask where I was etc. We have kept in touch and I did indicate to her my wanting her to spend time with me and as always I make it clear upfront that I will always PAY because I understand she needs the money. So when I ask her how much. She replies "anything. Up to you bah" Now given that response, I am curious to see how you guys would respond.
Hey Chang Ping - must have been/should be easy for you to pull it all off.

As Joe banker says, the key is "....Making small talk definitely softens the girls up a lot. Don't act like you go to saunas everyday. Be a bit shy, etc...." - which fits right in with the usual stereotype that the gals have of you Singaporeans. Nice, shy and ever so grateful to have the privilege of partaking of 'em

Gotta change my personnae the next time I go to a Sauna and pretend to be a Singaporean - then hopefully, I'll also hear those words which will be music to my ears "...Anything Laaa, up to you laa!!"

Go forth and Sauna all yee young knights!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-22-09, 12:42

Hello guys,

Finally I've got time to share my experiences...............The day after we went to a street nearby for some BBS actions, .............. gave 100 rmb to the mamasan and went back to my room with the lady, can't remember the actions, nothing particular but I remember the girl asking me for 200 rmb after the deed but I had already paid 100 rmb, normally the girl gets only 100 rmb, she was really serious and knowing I was not speaking Chinese she played on it. Until I took my phone pretending to call, she got scared and took the 100 and went back.................

Next time I'm heading to Macao.

Cheers

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Hey Epi: great report.

I never heard from you about the gal that I recommended to you. Is this who you're writing about above? And if so, my apologies as I thought she was pretty good - although she WAS a cunning little one.

As I told you, she was the one that had the nerve to "hurry" me up as she had another customer lined up (posted her pictures below - is this her?) - and thus find it not surprising that she would try to pull a fast one on you. Nonetheless, I do apologize and it's a good thing you didn't fall for it.

And your "...next time I'm heading to Macao.." - I hope that your stay in CP was not THAT bad that you'd want to avoid it altogether the next time?!

SEAJ

Wadman

10-22-09, 19:57

Eeehh??? Sauna girls in Dongguan always do BBBJ. I haven't had a single one not do BBBJ. Shenzhen saunas are different, some places, it seems CBJ is company policy.

And yes, being able to talk to the girl, communicate, goes a long way. Mainland Chinese are incessant talkers. Not chatting with someone in a situation where you should (such as with your sauna or foot massage girl) is almost seen as an insult.

I have to laugh a little bit everytime I read a post by someone about their poor sauna experience. Guys always complain the girl didn't give them GFE treatment or they didn't get a BBBJ and wanted to complain to management. Kissing customers and giving BBBJs is usually not part of the "service" at a sauna. That's a priviledge the customer has to earn!

I can probably count on one hand the number of times I received a CBJ instead of a BBBJ from a sauna girl and I've rarely had a session I'd define as "mechnical." Making small talk definitely softens the girls up a lot. Don't act like you go to saunas everyday. Be a bit shy, etc. Some of this might be tough for lao wais who don't speak the language, but that's unfortunate, as the language is pretty important. You wouldn't expect to get good service in the US if you didn't speak English (hell, you can't even get good service in the US if you DO speak English). What makes it any different coming to China? Silly foreigners.

SE Asia Joe

10-24-09, 11:28

Boy!! They're really tearing this hotel apart and trying to improve it.

First of all, the "re-newed" old wing is about ready to go on stream in a month or so - and supposedly, the rates are NOT going to go up!! WHEW!!

And the Lobby - they've thrown out that stupid Chinese Tea/no business place and extending the lobby into the freed up space/situating the front desk there. I think they're trying to make the whole thing a bit more "grand."
But as it is now, there is an awning half across the lobby and one can still smell the funky odour which comes from ?? in the lobby. Hopefully it'll get finished ASAP and there will not be that foul odour any more soon.

And they're renovating the 2nd and 3rd floors as part of the new bigger KTV extending from the old wing - which of course has been closed and torn down and re-figured. They've moved the footsies up to the 4th floor and the 4-6th floors are still the sauna.

Should be interesting to see how this all pans out and if we're gonna have yet another "strong competition" on Swan Lake road. Perhaps a clone to the Peninsula as they ARE part of the same group?

Anyway to me, they look as if they're going all out !!

SEAJ

Playboy2000

10-24-09, 23:43

It would be great if someone could post short 2-3 sentence summaries/reviews of the most popular CP KTVs every once in a while. I will give it a shot, although I haven't been in CP for a long time. I'm sure many of you can do a better job with more accurate information. If you attempt to do so, please make your post self-contained, so it can be easily referenced. I am keeping this list to KTVs in CP proper. (Disclaimer: I have not been to all the KTVs below. Some of this info has been gathered from this board and word of mouth.)

Mayflower: Opened summer 2009. More girls than any other KTV in CP, with some people estimating as many 400 girls on a weekend night. All of the girls line up in the main hall ("flower show") at 6:00-6:30. 2-5-8

JiaYi: Same owner as Mayflower. Was the largest KTV before Mayflower came on the scene. Similar set-up to Mayflower, but with about two-thirds as many girls. Also has flower show in main hall. 2-5-8

Hui Hua: Popular KTV as it is in a popular hotel. Some people say that HH girls are on average a notch better than other CP KTV establishments (such as Mayflower). No flower show. Instead, momies bring their stables into KTV rooms for selection, which is the standard procedure in most CP KTVs. 2-5-8

Miraton: Another popular hotel next door to HH. Similar set-up to HH, but girl quality is reputed to be lower. 2-5-8

Virgin: Older building, but hardware facilities still nice. No flower show. Some girls will strip to panties for an extra 100, in which case the price becomes 3-6-9.

FuHao: Similar to Virgin, with some of the girls stripping for extra 100RMB. These girls are reputed to dance half naked at around 10:30. (I have been to Fuhao twice, and never saw the half-naked dancing.) Has flower show. 2-5-8 (+1)

Manhattan: New hardware and has flower show. It has been reported that girls now remove their underwear for the evening after they have been selected? Also, they now have little games at around 9:30. 2-5-8

Penninsula: Pretty much the classic KTV set up, similar to HH and Miraton. Hardware a little worn, but who is there for the hardware? 2-5-8

PP Club: ???

Swan Lake: Was up to recently 1-3-6 but recently switched to 2-5-8. Girls double as KTV and BBS girls.

The above 10 KTVs are perhaps the 10 KTVs the most mentioned on this board.

BruceTea

10-25-09, 05:34

I hope you understand that when Dave arranges KTV parties, he actually watches the whole room the whole night to make sure that there is not going to be anything wrong.
He also makes sure that the gals behave and that they don't scam the clients - and they've got so many tricks up their sleeves!

True dat.

Went to the newly opened "5 star hotel" (only one in CP?), Eurasia, with the just operating KTV. Went with BSDave, Flat Stamp, Monkey's friend, and got a special cameo from SEAJ who rarely shows up at KTVs anymore.

FS and I had a hard time picking girls from their flower show, but I noticed many were from other KTVs such as Mayflower. With so many new KTVs and girls moving from one K to another, quality control can be more "miss" than "hit." There are two levels for the flower show, so there were guys running up and down the stairs (LOL). I found a girl I've seen b4 at another KTV but didn't get to select her. FS took a girl he didn't really dig but was the best of what's left. This was a Saturday and during the Canton Fair (damn Canton Fair...). Therefore, much more guys than girls. BSD advised early on to grab a decent girl to continue browsing with, as you may end up with nada.

The room was really really nice. Large, projector screen KTV with snacks and fruit that's pretty yummy. They even had a complimentary metal lighter with the hotel's name on it. Grab it b4 the girls do...

The evening got off slowly. My girl was fun to play games with, but alas, the clock struck 9 pm and since no one was singing or really drinking, FS's and my girl wanted to go change early. FS's gal took advantage of his nice personality and got to go. So now the chain reaction starts....my girl says she's going to follow and she doesn't want to get "lost" in the large and new KTV. Without having time to reply, she jumped and got out of the room. I guess I wasn't all that fun or pleasant to be with...

30 minutes later, she's back. 9:00's pretty early to get changed, and with her bag and everything ready, a girl can always try to leave early. Plus, she's out of "working uniform" so who knows how fun she'll be after that.

BSD got on her and FS girl's case and told them that at a "5 Star" establishment, it's the customer who's to be respected and there's a certain professionalism that comes with working at such a place. Going off to change is one thing, but leaving without customer's consent is not right.
In any case, she started pouting BUT came around and played games, became more attentive, and showed more initiative in getting involved.

With BSD, we got to go to a new KTV. We got advised on how to pick and what to look out for in that particular KTV. While in room, he observes and chats with the managers to get more information for future visits. He sees if we were having fun and lectures the gals if they're taking advantage of guys who don't frequent KTVs as much. He also got to sing a few songs to end the evening and his singing being awesome has the dj's and mommies swooning for him (damn him...!).

Bill for Eurasia per person was 400 rmb. High for a KTV night of not-so-much-drinking, but not so high as it was the weekend with ALL the rooms booked (pretty much ALL of CP, damn Canton Fair...) and we did get a medium room that can comfortably fit 11 to 15 people.

Prince2

10-25-09, 21:02

Hey fellas

Anyone on the ground know what the current prices are for ST/LT in the BBS of Changping? Can you still get away with paying 150 for ST around the Miraton area?

cheers

Johnny Horny

10-26-09, 01:17

Yalan area ST 200 LT 500

BBS hui mei ST 150 LT 400

Night Market ST 130 LT 350-400

Swan lake BBS ST 200 LT 500

Hope that helps but service from BBS can be hit and miss.

Johnny Horny

10-26-09, 01:20

Hey fellas

Anyone on the ground know what the current prices are for ST/LT in the BBS of Changping? Can you still get away with paying 150 for ST around the Miraton area?

cheersYes Buddy ST 150 and LT 400 plus 20 taxi money if service is good.

Silly Newb

10-26-09, 03:55

SE Asia Joe

10-26-09, 04:27

Hey fellas

Anyone on the ground know what the current prices are for ST/LT in the BBS of Changping? Can you still get away with paying 150 for ST around the Miraton area?

cheers
Far as we know it's still 150.
Why don't you go and report back to us if you find anything different. Lots of us stopped going to that area because of the absolutely unacceptable attitude and behaviour of the Mommies and in particular that crazy Poppa

SEAJ

Sound7

10-26-09, 20:56

JH,

Would you be king enough to define ST & Lt and does the price reflect room charges and others if any.

Thanks in Advance.

S7

Taxi fare of 20 noted.
SEAJ: BBS 150 ST/LT

Yalan area ST 200 LT 500

BBS hui mei ST 150 LT 400

Night Market ST 130 LT 350-400

Swan lake BBS ST 200 LT 500

Hope that helps but service from BBS can be hit and miss.

Fast Eddie 48

10-27-09, 06:32

I've been a fan of this forum for quite a few years actually, mostly lurking as I wasnt even in China at the time. And when I did move to China, I wasnt able to access this site until I found a workable VPN.

I just want to say thank you to all of you who share all these information and I would love to hangout with you guys.

I'll provide my reports as soon as I get some experience under my belt, but I just wanted to say hello.Silly,

Try the www.heavymist.com I am using it now in Shanghai ,the 2 that I use few month ago on my last trip is already block so you need to keep finding the one that work.

Fast eddie 48

AsnDragon

10-27-09, 19:22

Joebanker,

I will have to add in my two cents on this whole sauna experience. I do agree with you, don't act like you go there every day, but sometimes. Just sometimes, when you act a bit shy and don't voice your desires upfront, you get screwed over. Many girls, thinking that you are a newbie to the sauna, sometimes gets sloppy and cut corners on their service if they can get away with it. Besides. This is China we are talking about, if they can get away with anything, they'll at least try it once.

Personal story-- This always happens around or during Chinese New Years. Girls leave most of the time. The whole mongering environment is so tense as there are random inspections and/or closures of saunas around the CP/Dongguan area. There's this tension in the air; as a result, many girls choose to go home to avoid this period of uncertainty. Whatever girl is left to work- either their schedules require them to stay, they desperately need money, or they are just the daring type of girls. To add oil on top of fire, management knows that they are short staffed during the new year period, so they are more lenient on their staff during this period of time.

Which takes me to Prince Sauna in Huangjiang. They are known to have one of the hottest girls around the area. High standards and are very strict with their girls. Their girls even have to trim their bushes down there as a company requirement. (Yes SEAJoe, this practice does happen, and yes I know you aren't too keen on that happening, but it's just a trim, NOT a shave) As I frequent Prince Sauna quite often, Every year during Chinese New Years, their service is horrible. I chose to take JoeBanker's technique of acting a little shy and new to Saunas a few times to see how honest they will be with their required services they need to provide, and many times girls cut corners-they either don't perform all the techniques or skills they are taught in all of their practice sessions or they do a half-ass job-doing each technique for about 30 seconds and then skipping to the next one.

Sauna girls are sauna girls. Unless you are young 25 year olds and handsome as the two Joes are (Joebanker and SeaJoe) There's not much romance that you can do with a Sauna girl. You may be able to get to know the girl a bit better, but rarely do they ever end up "liking" you. Sauna girls are pretty stone cold in their emotions. Yes, during service they can act however sweet, but being able to get into their heart or emotions is the most difficult out of all the other segments of working girls. There is a reason why a girl chooses to work as a Sauna girl, they are girls who's sole purpose is getting rich as fast as they can; therefore, they will use all types of tactics to reach their goal-Money. I mean if you were a girl, wouldn't you rather be a KTV girl than having to lick, suck, every square inch of a man, regardless of how fat, hairy, smelly their body or anus must be, 4-5 times a day? Sauna girls are only good for getting good sexual sessions, that's it. IMHO

(as a side note: once you get to know a sauna girl TOO well, they also start cutting corners on their services, as she thinks that you like her because you keeping picking her each time. Every girl will milk you when and if they have the opportunity. What did you expect? This IS China after all.)

AsnDragon

Thanks Joe. I think being nice goes a long way.

I have to laugh a little bit everytime I read a post by someone about their poor sauna experience. Guys always complain the girl didn't give them GFE treatment or they didn't get a BBBJ and wanted to complain to management. Kissing customers and giving BBBJs is usually not part of the "service" at a sauna. That's a priviledge the customer has to earn!

I can probably count on one hand the number of times I received a CBJ instead of a BBBJ from a sauna girl and I've rarely had a session I'd define as "mechnical." Making small talk definitely softens the girls up a lot. Don't act like you go to saunas everyday. Be a bit shy, etc. Some of this might be tough for lao wais who don't speak the language, but that's unfortunate, as the language is pretty important. You wouldn't expect to get good service in the US if you didn't speak English (hell, you can't even get good service in the US if you DO speak English). What makes it any different coming to China? Silly foreigners.

Joe. Since you're such a Romeo, maybe you should try taking small gifts to saunas for your girls. I bet they'll be following you home like puppy dogs after a little romance from you!

Prince2

10-27-09, 23:45

Yalan area ST 200 LT 500

BBS hui mei ST 150 LT 400

Night Market ST 130 LT 350-400

Swan lake BBS ST 200 LT 500

Hope that helps but service from BBS can be hit and miss.

JH = Great timing and thanks for the update

SEJ - i will be based in the swanlake area but plan on checking out the BBS around Hui Mei at some point.

As always i will report back to the board

Cloud Palms

10-28-09, 01:17

There is a reason why a girl chooses to work as a Sauna girl, they are girls who's sole purpose is getting rich as fast as they can; therefore, they will use all types of tactics to reach their goal-Money. I mean if you were a girl, wouldn't you rather be a KTV girl than having to lick, suck, every square inch of a man, regardless of how fat, hairy, smelly their body or anus must be, 4-5 times a day? Sauna girls are only good for getting good sexual sessions, that's it. IMHO

AsnDragon,

Few years back I used to think that KTV girls were much prettier than sauna girls. The ratio of good looking KTV girls to good looking Sauna girls was about 10:1. Reason I thought was because KTV girls are too pretty to do that type of "work" and would rather just drink, sing, dance then be a fish in bed. Sauna girls either couldnt drink or werent good looking enough to be a KTV girl so they had to do sauna instead.

Now I think its around 5:1. And the reason for this decline in ratio? Perhaps it has to do with more uglier girls in KTVs but also with point you just made:

girls are greedier now.

Bob Builder

10-28-09, 01:47

Silly Newb

10-28-09, 03:04

Hi guys,

I have a question regarding ST and LT. From what I understand, ST is around 2 hours but what is LT? If it was around midnight, LT would be overnight, but what if it was noon?

Thanks guys

SE Asia Joe

10-28-09, 08:05

Hi guys,

I have a question regarding ST and LT. From what I understand, ST is around 2 hours but what is LT? If it was around midnight, LT would be overnight, but what if it was noon?

Thanks guys
First thing first, please note that there is no hard and fast rule on "terms of engagement" as there is just too many variables - locations, type of gals (KTV, BBS, Sauna etc), day of the week. the dynamics WG/Client, mommie training, girl's mood, need for cash etc. There can only be "guidelines" and thus not really useful for most situations.

ST at a BBS - yes, it SHOULD be anywhere up to an absolute maximum of 2 or even 1-1/2 hour with one pop - but in many cases, the gal will try to pop you ASAP and move on to the next - and in some cases, I've had gals who stayed with me for quite a few hours as they were enjoying themselves - or when I tell her I'm now going to a KTV, footsie etc - things that they themselves want to do/take a time out from their work for.

Note - dynamics of the WG/client relation is key to satisfaction and NOT just the number of hours or lack of!!

ON LT - again, the MOST important part of this all is of course to discuss precisely what your expectations are and what the gal/mommie is willing to concede.

As an example, there's only a few regular gals that I actually enjoy sleeping with - as I do not sleep good/comfortably with gals I just picked up - and thus a lot of times I'd actually negotiate to take a gal out from say 5 pm or so, tell her I want her to accompany me for dinner, footsies, movies or even just to mess around with, expect to pop her once and then send her off home before 1 or midnight.

I'd negotiate a rate somewhere between the ST and LT rate prior to it all and then "go with the flow" i.e. If I like her, I'd probably do her more than once and of course then "reward" her accordingly. If I don't like her all that much, then yes, I'd send her off after the one Pop - which could occur VERY early in the evening as I'd not been enjoying myself.

Now, I'd only negotiate such terms above during week days when I know that her business ain't gonna be all that good and thus going with me as above is OK attractive. I'd NOT negotiate this during week-end nights as I know that she could make more $$ just hanging tight to get a LT rate or maybe 2, 3 ST's.

If on the other hand you're talkiig about a KTV gal - well say 2-5-8 - then you'd expect that she'd accompany you back for 500 and pop you once and off she goes. For 800, she's "supposed to" pop you once when you go back, sleep a bit and then pop you again before she leaves. And here again, the dynamics plays an important part as I'd had gals who absolutely do not sleep after the 1st time, wait till it's daybreak and stir me up to enquire if I want to go again - and leave - whether I did do her again or not. i.e. she CAN insist to leave when it's day-break - and the only reason she wakes you is to get her 800!!

On the other hand, most of the time the gal will just sleep and when you wake up - whatever time it was - she'd pop you again, and then when both of you really get up for the day, its not at all uncommon to have another one before its bye bye time. WG/Client Dynamics - that's what its all about!

Sorry to probably confuse you more - just remember - enunciate what it is EXACTLY that you want when you take a girl - whether LT, ST or somewhere in between like I many times do as above.

SEAJ

Temujin87

10-28-09, 08:32

Temujin87

10-28-09, 08:41

While KTV have been reported here extensively, what about the VIP-style hotel rooms you can book?

I was browsing Chinese sites and from what I can understand, there are vip-style hotel rooms with bathing facilities inside them, and you can choose girls for ST anywhere from 400-1100 (depending on girl) and LT is negotiable. Best part of the deal is THE ROOM IS FREE. You are welcome to stay until noon the next day.

However, with my limited Chinese reading ability, I'm not able to get the details down. There are plenty of ads for managers in CA and CP posted on another site. Just curious if anyone experienced this. I will probably do a combo trip to Shenzhen and DG weekend of Nov 14th.

SE Asia Joe

10-28-09, 14:25

My regular BBS gal from Shenzhen left to work at a Sauna in DG. Told me the most popular gal at her establishment makes RMB40,000 per month and how she does that? She has been told that she is not particularly good looking but will do FS without a condom. Then my gal added she has not seen this gal yet as this gal has not been to work since she started at the sauna as she is still recovering from STDs that she has caught, LOL!
That gal earning 40K a month - she must really be GREAT!

I've figured that she'd need to make RMB 1,600 every single day, and since at most DGG saunas, the gal gets to keep anywhere from 300 to 500 a session, she'd need to do a minimum of 3 guys a day, every day! - which means at least 6 hours of "up time, with hardly any down times for waiting around for the next customer, meals, rest etc. (Errrr...how many guys if she only keeps 300 per client?? 5-1/3 per day or at least 10 hours a day servicing guys!!)

Think about it though - if she can keep this up for a year, she'd make close to half a million bucks!! She'd make quite a catch when she retires!! LOL!!

SEAJ

Girlover

10-28-09, 15:18

I have just joined this fabulous website, although I am not at all new to mongering. Following the advice of the esteemed Sammy T, I am introducing myself, as I plan to be an active member and post a lot.

I am a citizen of the USA, though by no means a proud one. How could anyone be proud of electing George W Bush, not only once, but twice. I live part of the time in Delhi (where I have no non-Indian friends) monger around as much as I can, and live the rest of the time in the US. I have spent lots of time in Southest Asia, boated down the Mekong river (22 boats of all sizes and kinds to do it) and also in China and the Philippines (mostly Angeles City). Everyone has a passion. For some it is tennis, for others, golf, chess, art, music. For me it is girls. As long as they are slender, young, and pretty, I love them, regardless of race, creed, or whatever.

While there is no place where I can offer insight worth that of those who live there full time, I know Pattaya, Angeles City, and Bangkok quite well, and have been to Changping and Phnom Phen several times, as well as Vientianne, Saigon (not so great), and several other places with good experiences.

Best to all of you. I look forward to meeting and partying, wherever the girls make us come.

BruceTea

10-28-09, 17:40

Bob Builder

10-28-09, 21:31

that gal earning 40k a month - she must really be great!

i've figured that she'd need to make rmb 1,600 every single day, and since at most dgg saunas, the gal gets to keep anywhere from 300 to 500 a session, she'd need to do a minimum of 3 guys a day, every day! - which means at least 6 hours of "up time, with hardly any down times for waiting around for the next customer, meals, rest etc. (errrr...how many guys if she only keeps 300 per client?? 5-1/3 per day or at least 10 hours a day servicing guys!!)

think about it though - if she can keep this up for a year, she'd make close to half a million bucks!! she'd make quite a catch when she retires!! lol!!

seaj

they get rmb230 at time so more tha 3 guys a day.

doing everyone bareback, i suspect that she has a fatal disease and could be spreading it around.

did you know in china that wgs who get caught by the le that are **** or have aids get let go straight away?

Moody

10-28-09, 23:52

Gaspq Bo

10-29-09, 00:21

Hi Bruce,

Can you explain how to reach this paradise?

Thanks,

G

Went to Fu Hao KTV with Flat Stamp and 4 Europeans, arranged and organized by BSDave.

Got there at 6, so we all settled in and BSDave started explaining the pricing, tag differences, and general behavior at a KTV. Once on the Flower Show, all the Europeans (some were newbies who've never been to China or a KTV) started picking. I guess all they need was sign language and it's up to the girl whether she wants to sit with the foreigner, but they chose pretty darn quick. Hotties too. Back to the room and all were happy with their picks.

KTV fun. Now this got interesting. The girls were totally fun and enjoyed playing with the Europeans. Drinking, teaching them the dice games, and overall being great companions to their dates. We did minimal translation, yet these 4 Europeans spoke perhaps 20 words of Chinese.

Onto the strip dance. The girls got topless. The guys got nude. Pretty crazy as the girls measured penis while dancing, playing, hugging, etc.

BSDave got everyone playing games and more drinking and fun ensued. Great that none of the girls got too drunk or ran off to get changed or cutting corners with service to the foreign guests.

End of the night everyone took his gal back.

My gal was a hottie with perky breasts, big eyes, and a spunky personality. Milky white skin, very thin body, and a good conversationalist. Talked until 3 am before showering and getting it on. Kinda damped the doing all kinds of nasty together as she "became" more of a gal you would tenderly make love to. So in the future, less talk and more play.

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 03:09

they get rmb230 at time so more tha 3 guys a day.

doing everyone bareback, i suspect that she has a fatal disease and could be spreading it around.

did you know in china that wgs who get caught by the le that are **** or have aids get let go straight away?
rmb230@??? omigawd - she's had to be doin' at least 7 guys per day!! how the hell does she do it?? it's practically an impossibility!! and just think about it - she's having to at least take 14 showers per day!!

that thing about gals with aids bein' let go - that actually is the scariest part of china mongering; hiv infection does not show any visible signs at all (only full blown aids do) and a guy would be all confident that he's doing a "clean" gal whilst the fact of the matter is that she is hiv infected.

i'm not quite sure about the under-aged gals also being let go - are you sure? how about mongers who are caught with such under-aged gals - i'd expect that he'd get the full brunt of the law. and therein i guess lies another great big danger about mongering in china - that if you confirm that under-aged gals are being routinely let go, then there's just too damn many under-aged gals offering their services to unsuspecting mongers - especialy since all these gals lather on the make-up and one is never really 100% sure what the actual age of the gals really are.

seaj

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 03:18

Went to Fu Hao KTV with Flat Stamp and 4 Europeans, arranged and organized by BSDave.

Got there at 6, so we all settled in and BSDave started explaining the pricing, tag differences, and general behavior at a KTV. Once on the Flower Show, all the Europeans (some were newbies who've never been to China or a KTV) started picking. I guess all they need was sign language and it's up to the girl whether she wants to sit with the foreigner, but they chose pretty darn quick. Hotties too. Back to the room and all were happy with their picks.

KTV fun. Now this got interesting. The girls were totally fun and enjoyed playing with the Europeans. Drinking, teaching them the dice games, and overall being great companions to their dates. We did minimal translation, yet these 4 Europeans spoke perhaps 20 words of Chinese.

Onto the strip dance. The girls got topless. The guys got nude. Pretty crazy as the girls measured penis while dancing, playing, hugging, etc.

BSDave got everyone playing games and more drinking and fun ensued. Great that none of the girls got too drunk or ran off to get changed or cutting corners with service to the foreign guests.

End of the night everyone took his gal back.

My gal was a hottie with perky breasts, big eyes, and a spunky personality. Milky white skin, very thin body, and a good conversationalist. Talked until 3 am before showering and getting it on. Kinda damped the doing all kinds of nasty together as she "became" more of a gal you would tenderly make love to. So in the future, less talk and more play.
The Fu Hao IS a good place to party - the gals are quite well trained to be friendly, fun and service oriented. The only problem with this place is that UNLESS one take full charge of the going-ons, they have a bad habit of piling on the charges. (Probably as part and parcel of their training???!!!)

Good thing you went with BS Dave as I've been there previously when nobody took charge and in comes the various Mommies, hanger-ons, Managers/professional drinkers (making frequent trips to the bathroom to throw up before coming back to do some more drinking) the gals ordering their "milk drinks" pop corn, snacks, cigarettes etc, the DJ throwing away drinks etc etc and the bill really got over-inflated at approx RMB 700@ (if I remember correctly). What did you guys end up paying that night?

Correct me if I'm wrong - the charges are still 2-5-8 for the NON-strip gals whilst those who strip (albeit only the top) gets an extra 50 sitting fee - thus 2.5 - 5 - 8? By the way, the Jun Hui price structure is now 2-4-7 for the see-thru outfits. How do they figure out these charges???!!!

SEAJ

Bob Builder

10-29-09, 03:50

rmb230@??? omigawd - she's had to be doin' at least 7 guys per day!! how the hell does she do it?? it's practically an impossibility!! and just think about it - she's having to at least take 14 showers per day!!

that thing about gals with aids bein' let go - that actually is the scariest part of china mongering; hiv infection does not show any visible signs at all (only full blown aids do) and a guy would be all confident that he's doing a "clean" gal whilst the fact of the matter is that she is hiv infected.

i'm not quite sure about the under-aged gals also being let go - are you sure? how about mongers who are caught with such under-aged gals - i'd expect that he'd get the full brunt of the law. and therein i guess lies another great big danger about mongering in china - that if you confirm that under-aged gals are being routinely let go, then there's just too damn many under-aged gals offering their services to unsuspecting mongers - especialy since all these gals lather on the make-up and one is never really 100% sure what the actual age of the gals really are.

seaj

what is a clean gal? there was poster here who used to go on about how he could smell hiv positive people. it smelled like a load of bs to me.

if you are caught with an **** gal you are literally screwed but she walks. i know of a gal in seibu who i would not go near as she looks too young who another gal got arrested with a gal i know. the **** gal got let go after they checked and confirmed her id. she is currently 15 and i have seen her working for at least 2 years. she is not a slave or giving money to any boyfriend standing over her but freely comes and goes when she wants.

when the gals get caught, a letter is sent to their home informing their family of what they were arrested for.

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 04:52

what is a clean gal? there was poster here who used to go on about how he could smell hiv positive people. it smelled like a load of bs to me.

if you are caught with an **** gal you are literally screwed but she walks. i know of a gal in seibu who i would not go near as she looks too young who another gal got arrested with a gal i know. the **** gal got let go after they checked and confirmed her id. she is currently 15 and i have seen her working for at least 2 years. she is not a slave or giving money to any boyfriend standing over her but freely comes and goes when she wants.

when the gals get caught, a letter is sent to their home informing their family of what they were arrested for.
come to think of it - what is the legal age in china?? as far as our hobby is concerned. is it 16 or 18?? i.e. are we in deep doo doo if we're caught with an under 16 or under 18 year old gal?

actually, for myself, i definitely will not do any gal who i thought is younger than 19 - at least this year, as gals 18 years old in 2009 are born under the ram year sign and i, being an ox, am "in conflict" with ram persons.

next year.... well next year the 18 year olds are not ram gals - so....... hiiiiyoooo silvah!!

seaj

ps. smell hiv+ people???!!! jeez!!

Lustforthrust

10-29-09, 05:15

SEAJ

Ps. SMELL HIV+ people???!!! Jeez!!

Maybe he's referring to HBV - Hepatitis, 1/3 of those infected are in China, mostly male. Virus lives in the sweat glands of those with an acute condition.

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 06:18

Maybe he's referring to HBV - Hepatitis, 1/3 of those infected are in China, mostly male. Virus lives in the sweat glands of those with an acute condition.
Did a bit of googling/wikipedia on HBV

Hepatitis B virus is contracted primarily via blood, semen and other fluids (SEX!!) exchange or contaminted needles. I cannot find any reference regarding this virus living in the sweat glands and thus detectable by smell. One startling fact though is "....Modes of transmission are the same for HIV but the Hepatitis B virus is 50 to 100 times more infectious than HIV, and unlike HIV, HBV can survive outside the body for at least 7 days....." The good news is that there is a 95% effective vaccine for HBV

Hepatitis A is transmitted mostly via ingestion of fecal matter, person to person contact or sharing of foods/drinks.

Any doctor here want to chime in please?

Thanks
SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 06:25

The hell with all this talk about HIV, HBV, Aych my ass!!

I've got worse problems!!

Too many of my regulars are gonna go!!

One's going back home for a month for her brother's wedding,

Another's going back "indefinitely" for a family gathering - and will "probably" not be back to CP/old profession as she wants to turn a new leaf -

Another's gone all nuts and now only wants to find somebody to marry, settle down with and have BABIES!!

And yet another one's got herself a Pimp boyfriend - something which I've always warned her against - and is of course now OFF my books!

Damn and double damn!!!

Gotta go out and do serious "interviews" again!

What a Chore!!

SEAJ

Playboy2000

10-29-09, 11:32

By the way, the Jun Hui price structure is now 2-4-7 for the see-thru outfits. How do they figure out these charges???!!!

SEAJ

Is Jun Hui the Swan Lake KTV? How much to do they charge for non-see-thru, or are all the girls see-thru?

Bob Builder

10-29-09, 12:02

Did a bit of googling/wikipedia on HBV

Hepatitis B virus is contracted primarily via blood, semen and other fluids (SEX!!) exchange or contaminted needles. I cannot find any reference regarding this virus living in the sweat glands and thus detectable by smell. One startling fact though is "....Modes of transmission are the same for HIV but the Hepatitis B virus is 50 to 100 times more infectious than HIV, and unlike HIV, HBV can survive outside the body for at least 7 days....." The good news is that there is a 95% effective vaccine for HBV

Hepatitis A is transmitted mostly via ingestion of fecal matter, person to person contact or sharing of foods/drinks.

Any doctor here want to chime in please?

Thanks
SEAJ

You are right. The vacine is 95% effective but that only works if you are vacinated BEFORE you come in contact with the virus and it is a course of shots over a few months. I am still interested in what HepB infected people smell of?

To prevent infection of HepA follow a few simple rules:
1) Only lick the front
2) Make sure the gal wipes front to back
3) No kissing Sauna gals where rimming is offered on the menu

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 13:49

Is Jun Hui the Swan Lake KTV? How much to do they charge for non-see-thru, or are all the girls see-thru?
Yes - Jun Hui is where the old Swan Lake crew moved to.

Your question as to charges for non see thru - good question!! Only I don't know what the answer is/will try to find out next time.

In any case, the pricing there is now truly all screwed up as far as I'm concerned. It used to be one of my favorite places to party as it was cheap at 1-3-6 and the gals - well, I feel that they're probably even BETTER than at regular KTV's as there's none of this "I'm a KTV gal, I don't do THAT!" nonsense. They're BBS gals and every body knows it - so when they're sitting with you as a KTV gal - they're out to enjoy themselves with no inhibitions/pretenses. Made for a wild night usually.

Well, the move to the Jun Hui - and the managers'/Mommies hope of "upgrading a bit (as indeed the place itself IS a bit better than the old Swan Lake) and so they start with this 2-4-7 pricing nonsense giving this excuse PLUS that now supposedly the gals are gonna be semi-topless (see thru tops, no bras).

A month or so ago I told one of the mommies that that is nonsense/too much for her gals - and she right away told me - OK - just for you, I'll have it lowered to 2-3-6. OK, I said, that's great and got a few guys to come along.

OK, all fine and dandy - exceptin' that the other mommies then came down on her, and then the gals of the other mommies, and then even her own gals!! They all came down hard on her for offering this deal for me and figured out - why should I sit at SEAJ's room if I can make a hundred bucks more at another room. NEVER MIND that there were not that many other rooms occupied, never mind that one bird in the hand is worth.... Never mind all that!! Instead we were right in the middle of a row between various parties there. What fuckin' mess!!

Anyway, if I had never known what the old pricing was, if I had never known I could bargain it down, if I had just gone with the flow and paid 2-4-7!! I mean, what's another hundred bucks??!! When it would have made all the difference between an enjoyable evening instead of what happened. Sometime, ignorance IS bliss.

But what the hell.... we all lived to fight another battle and do another gal!!

But I will try to figure out what exactly ARE the charges at Jun Hui next time I go. And Race Track - please do the same on your next visit - and let's compare information and see f they're gonna give you the Laowai prices etc.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-29-09, 14:04

Did you guys know that the charges at the Jun Hui BBS is now 200 ST and 600 LT - Six hundred!! Instead of 500 like at other Yalan/Swan Lake BBS's?

I keep on telling 'em that I'd then prefer to do 3 different gals ST at 200@ i/o taking one overnight!! Especially since I don't really like sleeping with these SYT's anyway - cain't get comfortable with strangers (is this old age catching up??? at 25 Year old??). NUTS!!

And BTW - you know that KTV on top of the restaurant in front of the Yalan Hotel? With the BBS where fat Rainbow presides? Well, she was telling me that its a good deal there - beer is RMB 20@ no minimum, and the ktv rooms has no minimum charge and instead just RMB 48, 58 and 68 per hour usage fee? No DJ charges either. So maybe I'll try it next time and see what happens. (note the rooms are old and quite gross.... matches Rainbow's gals!!)

And you guys, next time you wanna hoop it up for just a while before you go and pop one of her gals, just reconfirm the deal w/them and try it out.... and report back.

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-29-09, 19:52

SeaJoe,

Come on Joe, seasons change and so do the supply of girls in CP. You of all people should know this by now. Usually girls don't lasts longer than 6 months. But most girls just take a break. They save up all the money they earned, go back home and spend it all on buying gifts for friend and family and having fun. Once their wallets run dry, they realize that job prospects at home aren't very good and they end up coming back to CP to working as a WG again.

I mean if you were a girl being poked at all the time, I'm sure you'd want a break as well. Most girls just talk a lot of non-sense in regards to getting married, settling down etc...Things in China change very quickly, don't pout, many of your regulars will end up coming back in a few months.

But, even if they don't come back, what is there to worry about? You have always been the flowery heart 25 year old who seeks to conquer new challenges. To go where no man has gone before, straight into the pants and hearts of young innocent maidens in CP.

The biggest problem is, when your current regulars go back home, and in the meantime you accumulate 3-4 more regulars and your previous regulars end up coming back to CP. You will simply not have enough time, energy, hours of the day or bedsheets to accomodate all of them. That's when you've go a REAL problem.

Girls come and girls go...but all roads still lead them back to CP in the end.

AsnDragon

The hell with all this talk about HIV, HBV, Aych my ass!!

I've got worse problems!!

Too many of my regulars are gonna go!!

One's going back home for a month for her brother's wedding,

Another's going back "indefinitely" for a family gathering - and will "probably" not be back to CP/old profession as she wants to turn a new leaf -

Another's gone all nuts and now only wants to find somebody to marry, settle down with and have BABIES!!

And yet another one's got herself a Pimp boyfriend - something which I've always warned her against - and is of course now OFF my books!

Damn and double damn!!!

Gotta go out and do serious "interviews" again!

What a Chore!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-29-09, 20:28

Cloud Palms,

I would also like to add the fact that the economic downturn is also another issue as well. Jobs are hard to come by, and in terms of being picked in a KTV line up, versus a Sauna Line up, your chances are a lot higher in a Sauna setting rather than a KTV setting- simply just because there are more KTV girls competing with each other, as opposed to Sauna girls competing with each other for business. So a sauna job I feel has higher chances of maximizing their income. In addition, in tough times, girls have to compromise and accept tough jobs that earn them money or more money- Sauna jobs. Sitting in a KTV the whole evening and being picked just to sit and drink for 200 RMB just doesn't cut it anymore. If you think about it, they pay about 20-30 RMB just for makeup/ and or fake eyelashes alone. that leaves them with about 170 RMB, which sometimes they get fined for miscellaneous issues (Which supervisors just do to earn money on the side from the KTV Girls, which I find unreasonable) which may average to be about 20 RMB a day. Leaving them with only 150 RMB. They have to eat twice a day, which is about 30 RMB a day. Leaving them with 120RMB. Then you have to take the taxi from their house to the makeup place, and sometimes from the makeup place to work. Double the taxi fare or bike fare about 10 RMB= 110 RMB left. Then they have to buy different clothes to alternate between days that they work. Rent and also send money back home to their parents and useless older or little brothers in their old village. How much do you think a KTV (an average looking one) can earn? Sure they might get a ST fee here and there, but the math does not add up. They really don't earn that much unless they are THAT HOT!

So from my years of mongering in China, I figure that girls should go through a competitive analysis strategy before they decide which WG category they want to follow. If they are 170 cm or taller and are good looking, their chances of making big money and being sponsored by a rich fella is high. If they are shorter than 170 cm, but got a rocking hot body and a really amazing face, then they should still consider KTV for a less strenous occupation, but they could swing the other way and go to the Sauna field for the quicker Mao. But if their face is not that great, but their body is awesome, then they should consider the Sauna Business instead, as bodies are valued more than looks-usually. Even if they have an average face and an average body, so long as they are willing to work hard, they can still succeed more so in a Sauna than a KTV, as some customers could come back to them because they have great service; however, in a KTV setting, I believe their chances of suceeding may be less.

Eventually the market supposedly weeds them out through time. However, instead of waiting for them to go through the whole placement process, I believe they should be smart from the start and decide which path will be the most beneficial to them, as to not waste their precious youth and time in testing the process.

But in terms of looks, overall, I do see the creme de la creme of hot chinese girls in KTV venues more often than Saunas. But two different venues for two different fantasies right? One's service, the other one is more like a GFE feel. Different strokes for different folks. Regardless...I love all of them Chinese Girls..so long as they are pretty.

(P.S.- I know people are going to chime in with their own stories that defy my personal logic and thought about the whole WG field. These are my personal opinions, there are always exceptions but my comments are generalizations. If I were even more specific then my posts would run on for pages)

AsnDragon

AsnDragon,

Few years back I used to think that KTV girls were much prettier than sauna girls. The ratio of good looking KTV girls to good looking Sauna girls was about 10:1. Reason I thought was because KTV girls are too pretty to do that type of "work" and would rather just drink, sing, dance then be a fish in bed. Sauna girls either couldnt drink or werent good looking enough to be a KTV girl so they had to do sauna instead.

Now I think its around 5:1. And the reason for this decline in ratio? Perhaps it has to do with more uglier girls in KTVs but also with point you just made:

girls are greedier now.

Big Swingin Dave

10-29-09, 22:00

The Fu Hao IS a good place to party - the gals are quite well trained to be friendly, fun and service oriented. The only problem with this place is that UNLESS one take full charge of the going-ons, they have a bad habit of piling on the charges. (Probably as part and parcel of their training???!!!)

Good thing you went with BS Dave as I've been there previously when nobody took charge and in comes the various Mommies, hanger-ons, Managers/professional drinkers (making frequent trips to the bathroom to throw up before coming back to do some more drinking) the gals ordering their "milk drinks" pop corn, snacks, cigarettes etc, the DJ throwing away drinks etc etc and the bill really got over-inflated at approx RMB 700@ (if I remember correctly). What did you guys end up paying that night?

Correct me if I'm wrong - the charges are still 2-5-8 for the NON-strip gals whilst those who strip (albeit only the top) gets an extra 50 sitting fee - thus 2.5 - 5 - 8? By the way, the Jun Hui price structure is now 2-4-7 for the see-thru outfits. How do they figure out these charges???!!!

SEAJFuHao (a.k.a. Plutocrat Hotel) is located neither in the Miraton or Swan Lake Area. It is located across the sewage river away from the Lion Hotel. The easiest way to get there is just hop on a taxi and tell them to take you to Fu Hao KTV which is behind the Fu Hao Jiu Dian.

FuHao just added 20 new VIP/member rooms. It's nice and best to try to get into these new hardwares when you go there. They have a flower street starting at 6:30 on weekends (Friday & Staurday) and 6:45pm on weeknights. The have anywhere from 200 - 300 girls. The girls are divided in 3 categories: White/Light Blue tag girls will strip in the room and is available for after KTV activities; Dark Blue tag girls will not strip in the room but is available for after KTV activities; and the Red tag girls will not strip and is not available for after KTV activities. Pricing is 2-5-8 except for the White/Light Blue girls stripping for about 15-30 minutes for an additional 50RMB. The dark blue tag girls will sometime strip in the room but it takes a little persuation but I've seen that happen before.

For what Joe has said about FH is true, be careful of the professional drinkers and sneaky DJs, it's best to give your DJs your expectation when you get into the room and tell her about your budget for the evening so that things will not get out of hand. This place is very fun because of the attitude of the girls there.

BSD

SE Asia Joe

10-30-09, 16:11

Cloud Palms,

I would also like to add the fact that the economic downturn is also another issue as well. Jobs are hard to come by, and in terms of being picked in a KTV line up, versus a Sauna Line up, your chances are a lot higher in a Sauna setting rather than a KTV setting- simply just because there are more KTV girls competing with each other, as opposed to Sauna girls competing with each other for business. So a sauna job I feel has higher chances of maximizing their income. In addition, in tough times, girls have to compromise and accept tough jobs that earn them money or more money- Sauna jobs. Sitting in a KTV the whole evening and being picked just to sit and drink for 200 RMB just doesn't cut it anymore. If you think about it, they pay about 20-30 RMB just for makeup/ and or fake eyelashes alone. that leaves them with about 170 RMB, which sometimes they get fined for miscellaneous issues (Which supervisors just do to earn money on the side from the KTV Girls, which I find unreasonable) which may average to be about 20 RMB a day. Leaving them with only 150 RMB. They have to eat twice a day, which is about 30 RMB a day. Leaving them with 120RMB. Then you have to take the taxi from their house to the makeup place, and sometimes from the makeup place to work. Double the taxi fare or bike fare about 10 RMB= 110 RMB left. Then they have to buy different clothes to alternate between days that they work. Rent and also send money back home to their parents and useless older or little brothers in their old village. How much do you think a KTV (an average looking one) can earn? Sure they might get a ST fee here and there, but the math does not add up. They really don't earn that much unless they are THAT HOT!

So from my years of mongering in China, I figure that girls should go through a competitive analysis strategy before they decide which WG category they want to follow. If they are 170 cm or taller and are good looking, their chances of making big money and being sponsored by a rich fella is high. If they are shorter than 170 cm, but got a rocking hot body and a really amazing face, then they should still consider KTV for a less strenous occupation, but they could swing the other way and go to the Sauna field for the quicker Mao. But if their face is not that great, but their body is awesome, then they should consider the Sauna Business instead, as bodies are valued more than looks-usually. Even if they have an average face and an average body, so long as they are willing to work hard, they can still succeed more so in a Sauna than a KTV, as some customers could come back to them because they have great service; however, in a KTV setting, I believe their chances of suceeding may be less.

Eventually the market supposedly weeds them out through time. However, instead of waiting for them to go through the whole placement process, I believe they should be smart from the start and decide which path will be the most beneficial to them, as to not waste their precious youth and time in testing the process.

But in terms of looks, overall, I do see the creme de la creme of hot chinese girls in KTV venues more often than Saunas. But two different venues for two different fantasies right? One's service, the other one is more like a GFE feel. Different strokes for different folks. Regardless...I love all of them Chinese Girls..so long as they are pretty.

(P.S.- I know people are going to chime in with their own stories that defy my personal logic and thought about the whole WG field. These are my personal opinions, there are always exceptions but my comments are generalizations. If I were even more specific then my posts would run on for pages)

AsnDragon
Hey AD - you forgot the fact that the gals gotta pay the mommie anywhere from RMB 40 to even as high as 80 when they get a sitting. As per your analysis, there ain't much left and thus basically the gals do need to "go out" to really make the bucks - especially with generous and rich punters like you. This is where they make the real money.

And as far as new gals coming in - well, unfortunately the factories are all cranking up and back to hiring mode - so not that many of them ex-factory gals any more. Worse, with the "stimulus" still going strong in China - especially all that incentives for people to get back to farming, well, a lot of the gals feel that they can make a go of life back at the farm. I'm not sure if this is true or not - but I heard that the government is actually offering incentives of RMB 10,000 per farmer family to go back to the fields. Rural residents are also getting all them rebates from the government for purchasing household electronic etc goods - and thus the retail trade in the rural areas is also booming - ergo, employment opportunities in rural retail.

But you are right, no matter what, the supply of gals to CP always seem to be at a constant - although I'd be hard pressed to figure out where/how they actually turn up from. I guess the "system" there is quite well oiled and the powers that be there know how to fine tune the whole scene.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

10-30-09, 16:35

I've often tried to figure out the psyche of WG's. How they think, how they react to things, what they feel etc.

The following is of course only IMHO - and I'm probably all wrong (ain't gonna be the first time!!) but I feel that when I'm first with a WG, they really do put up their defenses and shield. I mean, as AD points out - how would you react to being poked by one and all, day after day and then discarded. It would be stupid for them to open up their hearts or their actual feelings and thus the need for a shield; or even them doing their job as if it's an out of body experience that's happening to some one else - and not themselves AS A PERSON. I figure that this would be the only way that these gals can do their job without going nuts or turning to drugs etc to numb themselves.

I come along and treat them as just normal human beings, treat them as friends and they open up.... really open up and get very comfortable with me. But in doing so, I am now fearing that I've instead opened up a whole can of worm for them. They start re-examining themselves, what they are doing, how much of a changed person they've become since starting the job - and I've basically let loose their demons, the very emotions and feelings that they've been shielding themselves from all along.

And if I'm honest with myself, my intentions when I am kind/take a personal interest with these gals has NOT really been 100% altruistic; in that I always feel that the "doin'" is much better and enjoyable when I personalize the session. Oh sure, I do like quite a few of my regulars, and yes I enjoy them as real person, and I do like to help them out or guide them back to what they had originally intended to achieve when they first entered the profession. But am I doing them too much actual and real harm instead?

In most cases, their intentions had been to just make some $$ and then go back and start off fresh as a normal gal. I come along and re-awaken those forgotten intentions and they get all startled at their own present reality and go into a turmoil. Am I doing them any favors? Or am I doing much worse harm to these gals versus those of us who just fuck 'em and discard 'em.

OMIGAWD.... I've been away from CP for close to a week now - gotta get back there pronto. All this philosophising! Holy Hesus Cristos!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

10-30-09, 21:22

seajoe,

as i've written previously, girls willing to be wgs is not in short supply at all these days. even if the economic upturn, there are still a lack of jobs out there. the graduating class of this year and last year are struggling to find jobs. so many graduates are so desperate they have been applying for nanny jobs, in which most of them were rejected for these low pay jobs. i mean...who needs a girl with a masters in economics to be taking care of your kid right? so if even college grads can't even find jobs, how can unskilled labors find any other jobs besides factory jobs, which are tiring, backbreaking work, to endure for so little pay and such long hours?

where do these girls come from? well you are correct, many come from factories nearby in dg and or shenzhen as well. however, there are so many that are recruited by the following ways:

1. relatives openly introduces them to the trade in pursuit of earning quick money.

2. relatives that do not openly introduce them to the trade, they trick them into the trade by saying they will get a regular job, but are forced to work as a wg.

3. boyfriends who trick them into the trade.

4. stupid girls that are willing to go into the trade for their boyfriends.

5. recruiting pimps, who go out to their village or other cities to trick girls into the trade using emotions and other tactics.

6. mommies in bbs and ktv that have their personal recruiter in their own villages and surrounding villages back home recruiting and convincing them of coming to work as a wg in promise of high profits.

7. [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) young pimps- they go to factories to seek out young pretty girls, get them drunk, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them, then take their naked pictures on their cell phones and blackmail them to work as a wg or else they will release their pictures on qq or to their family.
8. but even just regular workers in surround areas, working in clothing stores, fruit stands etc...they sometimes just come out to supplement their income. they may come from nearby towns in dg.

9. you've even got shenzhen sponsored girls, who come up to cp to live with friends and work at a bbs for additional income, or just because they are bored out of their minds, since their hk sponsor is in hk spending his quality time with his family most of the time.

the list goes on and on. the point is, recruiting girls to be wg is not going to stop for a long time. the only one thing i fear is, the government coming in and cracking down. because once they crackdown, that's it. no more mongering period.
government has the final say on anything and everything- even cp who's whole economy of shops, restaurants, hotels and entertainment sectors rely on mongers for cash flow, can be slowly shut down over time if the government wanted to. this can be seen in shenzhen shatsui area a few years back. once a vibrant mongering scene is left to be only crumbs of what they once was.

so don't fret, cp always finds a way to recuit girls to work as a wg. sure, they may not be as hot or pretty, but you'll always be able to find fresh, young girls. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

asndragon

hey ad - you forgot the fact that the gals gotta pay the mommie anywhere from rmb 40 to even as high as 80 when they get a sitting. as per your analysis, there ain't much left and thus basically the gals do need to "go out" to really make the bucks - especially with generous and rich punters like you. this is where they make the real money.

and as far as new gals coming in - well, unfortunately the factories are all cranking up and back to hiring mode - so not that many of them ex-factory gals any more. worse, with the "stimulus" still going strong in china - especially all that incentives for people to get back to farming, well, a lot of the gals feel that they can make a go of life back at the farm. i'm not sure if this is true or not - but i heard that the government is actually offering incentives of rmb 10,000 per farmer family to go back to the fields. rural residents are also getting all them rebates from the government for purchasing household electronic etc goods - and thus the retail trade in the rural areas is also booming - ergo, employment opportunities in rural retail.

but you are right, no matter what, the supply of gals to cp always seem to be at a constant - although i'd be hard pressed to figure out where/how they actually turn up from. i guess the "system" there is quite well oiled and the powers that be there know how to fine tune the whole scene.

seaj

AsnDragon

10-30-09, 21:43

Seajoe,

I think you've been away from CP too long. You are starting to overthink things. But then again this can be attributed to the fact that you are losing all of your regular girls all at the same time.

But let me tell you, your condition is a vicious cycle. You hunt for new girls to have sex with. You only repeat the girls that you click with on a mental level. Once you click with them you try to befriend them, ask them to open up. They tell you their big sob story and you feel the compassion to guide, help, steer towards the "right" path, which usually is." oh. You shouldn't be in this line of business, you are so young and smart and pretty, you are selling yourself short. You should earn money, and then save up and do a business or something." (But personally I feel that NOT all girls are suitable for doing their own business) That's the usual line that most mongers use. At this time you develop a deeper emotional attachment. You become not only a mentor, but also someone she ends up feeling deeply attached to; as a result, you reciprocate in your attachment to her because you feel "wanted" and "loved". At this point you feel very good about how you are helping her towards a better path and also you have conquered her emotionally, taking down her barriers or wall of defense. This later on leads you to depression, because you feel bad for her and there NOTHING you can really do about it. Sure you can give her money, but she makes you feel that she only wants you and not the cash. You then feel touched, but yet your hands are tied behind your back because nothing long term can ever come out of it in the end. Then when you are too deep into it, you feel you should pull out, and this is the hardest part. Once things are over with this girl, you end up going back out to hunt for new girls and new regulars. Thus, this cycle repeats and recycles once again.

In my personal opinion, try not to get too close. Yes you can try to be friends and joke and all, but getting to know them TOO well will get you in too deep. Every girls has a sob story to tell. The more you listen the more depressed you will be. I can't tell you all of the stories I've heard from these girls-sad, horrific and some even utterly crazy. There should be a border that should to be kept, when mongering just so you don't get sucked in too deep. In addition, you never know if girls are tricking you or lying to you about their situation or not. WG are tricky. Sure not all, but many of them can look you straight in the eye and just tell a lie as if it was completely true.

Everyone has a story, and if you want to be a savior to all, you won't have enough time to help each one out. Remember the main objective. It's still to get her in bed. Have fun with her, be a gentlemen and part ways. Too many fishes in the sea for you all. Joe, I know you are only 25, but once you reach my age, you'll see that these girls only like you because you are young and good looking, I don't see any of them liking me, a fat 55 year old?

AsnDragon

I've often tried to figure out the psyche of WG's. How they think, how they react to things, what they feel etc.

The following is of course only IMHO - and I'm probably all wrong (ain't gonna be the first time!!) but I feel that when I'm first with a WG, they really do put up their defenses and shield. I mean, as AD points out - how would you react to being poked by one and all, day after day and then discarded. It would be stupid for them to open up their hearts or their actual feelings and thus the need for a shield; or even them doing their job as if it's an out of body experience that's happening to some one else - and not themselves AS A PERSON. I figure that this would be the only way that these gals can do their job without going nuts or turning to drugs etc to numb themselves.

I come along and treat them as just normal human beings, treat them as friends and they open up.... really open up and get very comfortable with me. But in doing so, I am now fearing that I've instead opened up a whole can of worm for them. They start re-examining themselves, what they are doing, how much of a changed person they've become since starting the job - and I've basically let loose their demons, the very emotions and feelings that they've been shielding themselves from all along.

And if I'm honest with myself, my intentions when I am kind/take a personal interest with these gals has NOT really been 100% altruistic; in that I always feel that the "doin'" is much better and enjoyable when I personalize the session. Oh sure, I do like quite a few of my regulars, and yes I enjoy them as real person, and I do like to help them out or guide them back to what they had originally intended to achieve when they first entered the profession. But am I doing them too much actual and real harm instead?

In most cases, their intentions had been to just make some $$ and then go back and start off fresh as a normal gal. I come along and re-awaken those forgotten intentions and they get all startled at their own present reality and go into a turmoil. Am I doing them any favors? Or am I doing much worse harm to these gals versus those of us who just fuck 'em and discard 'em.

OMIGAWD.... I've been away from CP for close to a week now - gotta get back there pronto. All this philosophising! Holy Hesus Cristos!!

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand

10-31-09, 07:50

Everyone has a story, and if you want to be a savior to all, you won't have enough time to help each one out. Remember the main objective. It's still to get her in bed. Have fun with her, be a gentlemen and part ways. Too many fishes in the sea for you all. Joe, I know you are only 25, but once you reach my age, you'll see that these girls only like you because you are young and good looking, I don't see any of them liking me, a fat 55 year old?

AsnDragonVery, very, well said. SEAJ, take heed my friend.

Just my POV.

OAH

Nvslim

10-31-09, 12:36

In most cases, their intentions had been to just make some $$ and then go back and start off fresh as a normal gal. I come along and re-awaken those forgotten intentions and they get all startled at their own present reality and go into a turmoil. Am I doing them any favors? Or am I doing much worse harm to these gals versus those of us who just fuck 'em and discard 'em.Just think in a perfect world, if every one treated the women as well as you do, what a great place it would be. Can you imagine the girls would actually enjoy going to work instead of dreading it. They could have some fun and pleasure instead of just clenching their teeth and trying to get through each day. A smile and nice word would be the rule.

How much better would the service be if the girls wanted to please the customer instead of being forced by their papasan. I would much rather have a little GFE than the mechanical, robot style of a girl who hates me and hates themself.

Be nice guys, pay it forward.
Slim

China35

11-01-09, 01:04

Well went to a footy and a stunner came in, generally most footies is best not to push for sex sevices as you will embarase yourself and the girl. Any way after a 1 hr footy thinks took a turn, and the girl wanted to see my manhood! , managed to prsuade her to wank me off, she required a 10rmb tip, at first I played with her tits, but then managed to finger her soaking wet tight pussy.

Anyone else had luck at a footy?

Jiayu

11-01-09, 03:07

Just think in a perfect world, if every one treated the women as well as you do, what a great place it would be. Can you imagine the girls would actually enjoy going to work instead of dreading it. They could have some fun and pleasure instead of just clenching their teeth and trying to get through each day. A smile and nice word would be the rule.

How much better would the service be if the girls wanted to please the customer instead of being forced by their papasan. I would much rather have a little GFE than the mechanical, robot style of a girl who hates me and hates themself.

Be nice guys, pay it forward.

SlimAnother pov! They have to be bonged by someone to earn money. So might as well as being someone that treats them nice and they will response. In the last month have bonged 3 virgin k gals. All of them were doing this job for the 1st time and have no idea what's it all about or what to do. So if you treat them nice and they know you are treating them nice they have more gfe.

Just my pov.

Santa

11-01-09, 05:17

Seajoe,

I think you've been away from CP too long. You are starting to overthink things. But then again this can be attributed to the fact that you are losing all of your regular girls all at the same time.

But let me tell you, your condition is a vicious cycle. You hunt for new girls to have sex with. You only repeat the girls that you click with on a mental level. Once you click with them you try to befriend them, ask them to open up. They tell you their big sob story and you feel the compassion to guide, help, steer towards the "right" path, which usually is." oh. You shouldn't be in this line of business, you are so young and smart and pretty, you are selling yourself short. You should earn money, and then save up and do a business or something." (But personally I feel that NOT all girls are suitable for doing their own business) That's the usual line that most mongers use. At this time you develop a deeper emotional attachment. You become not only a mentor, but also someone she ends up feeling deeply attached to; as a result, you reciprocate in your attachment to her because you feel "wanted" and "loved". At this point you feel very good about how you are helping her towards a better path and also you have conquered her emotionally, taking down her barriers or wall of defense. This later on leads you to depression, because you feel bad for her and there NOTHING you can really do about it. Sure you can give her money, but she makes you feel that she only wants you and not the cash. You then feel touched, but yet your hands are tied behind your back because nothing long term can ever come out of it in the end. Then when you are too deep into it, you feel you should pull out, and this is the hardest part. Once things are over with this girl, you end up going back out to hunt for new girls and new regulars. Thus, this cycle repeats and recycles once again.

In my personal opinion, try not to get too close. Yes you can try to be friends and joke and all, but getting to know them TOO well will get you in too deep. Every girls has a sob story to tell. The more you listen the more depressed you will be. I can't tell you all of the stories I've heard from these girls-sad, horrific and some even utterly crazy. There should be a border that should to be kept, when mongering just so you don't get sucked in too deep. In addition, you never know if girls are tricking you or lying to you about their situation or not. WG are tricky. Sure not all, but many of them can look you straight in the eye and just tell a lie as if it was completely true.

Everyone has a story, and if you want to be a savior to all, you won't have enough time to help each one out. Remember the main objective. It's still to get her in bed. Have fun with her, be a gentlemen and part ways. Too many fishes in the sea for you all. Joe, I know you are only 25, but once you reach my age, you'll see that these girls only like you because you are young and good looking, I don't see any of them liking me, a fat 55 year old?

AsnDragon

Very much appreciate this excellent post by AsnDragon.

Those of us who think you should try not to get emotionally or personally involved in a working girls life and problems have good reasons for thinking so. We have had previous experiences that teach us "you can take the girl from the shop but you can't take the shop out of the girl."

She has her own life to live, any attempts by us to reform and save her from her fate will probably go awry and lead to personal anguish. Maybe I sound coldhearted, but that's the way I see it.

Be nice to the girls and treat them with dignity, or as Joe says " as human beings," but I try not to become too familiar or become emotionally involved.

Why? Been there, done that!

Bob Builder

11-01-09, 06:43

Santa

11-01-09, 09:20

ManonsanBoy

11-01-09, 13:14

I was at a sauna today and after a 30 minute round with an agreeable lass from Chung Ching, we chatted a bit. She told me about a 70 year old man from a distant land in the Pearl River Delta who used to frequent the sauna. He would take 5 girls at a time and the funny thing was he only wanted a blow job and sometimes, when really encourage, he would penetrate one of the girls. Half the time, he did not come. No matter as he paid the girls (and 100 more than the going rate). He had a BMW pick him up after the "taking a rest".

She said he had not been around for a while.

I hope I can do something similar when I am 70.

Bob Builder

11-01-09, 13:22

Agree with you Bob. These girls did not "choose" to become mongerettes and their customers did not "choose" to become mongerers. Circumstances caused shit to happen! And we ain't gonna change it by trying to be a nice guy. No matter how nice we try to be, the circumstance is still what it is!

Now, she is what she is and you are what you are!

As my favorite philosopher Popeye said, "I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam!

Anyone seen that documentary made by an Aussie film maker who fell for a Thai WG who was blind in one (No, I did not make this shit up). He felt sorry for her and gave her enough money to go to her home village to buy a rice farm and leave "the game". The guy returns to Thailand months later and find the gal back working. Her grandmother told her to go back to work to see if she could find another stupid farang who would buy her another rice farm.

While I do not support sexual slavery, when little bob wants to stick his head into various orifices of a sweet young thing, I do make her swear on her life that she really wants to do it all of her own accord. Nor does anyone else here either?

Popeye??? A guy with HUGE FOREARMS who spends his time fighting a monster of a guy over a too skinny skank with a whiny voice, no tits and matchstick legs. This is one guy whose opinion I would never value and he has needs to go to CP.

Dash

11-01-09, 18:33

Anyone having 2nd thoughts on the plight of working gals should quit mongering now. How many think that this is job of their choosing letting old feckers molest and shag them.

You should all make amends by calling each young flower you have defiled personally, apologise and deposit at least RMB50,000 in their account so they can leave the business and go home.

Now that you know that the gals enter the business, not by choice are you going to stop mongering...I think not!
My comment may be worthless to all, but here goes. I know for a fact of women who have married for security and money, who begin to intensely hate their husband, but service him for their own reasons, which may be a green card in the USA, cars, money, etc. So, I am 100% certain women are capable of sex with someone they do not particulary like, and no one is holding a gun to their heads. They perform sex in exchange for the favors they hold most dear. Some perform sex in exchange for friendship, or even love and companionship. But, all women once in their lives consider sex with a guy for a quid pro quo. Now, what real difference is being a hooker? The depth of the relationship with the guy and the lack of pretense by both parties. Being a hooker is so openly mercenary for women that they don't want others to know, because it shows they are taking a shortcut, not waiting to find the rich big fish, "Mr. Right." I once had a beautiful American girl want to be my "girlfriend" who was a hooker, and I was foolish enough to believe she wanted to get out of it. No way Jose. What they say is true to them, but it's in their imagination and they forget it when you leave the room.

Santa

11-01-09, 18:39

Anyone seen that documentary made by an Aussie film maker who fell for a Thai WG who was blind in one (No, I did not make this shit up). He felt sorry for her and gave her enough money to go to her home village to buy a rice farm and leave "the game". The guy returns to Thailand months later and find the gal back working. Her grandmother told her to go back to work to see if she could find another stupid farang who would buy her another rice farm.

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I frequented Thailand and often heard of similar stories. I also sent girls money and made a damned fool of myself!

OAH, what was that story you told about going to the girl's village to meet the family?

Anyway, I guess Thailand is where we got our coldhearted cynicism.

As for AsiaJoe, he said before that he is rewarded for "treating the girls like human beings." I think he becomes like a surrogate father figure. Shows them that he cares and tries to help, and just like being a real dad, there are emotional consequences. However, advising him to "not get involved" would be like telling a Mother Teresa not to care about the poor. Joe gets satisfaction from trying to be the good guy who cares and helps, and I predict he will continue to do so.

Bob Builder

11-01-09, 19:16

Santa

11-01-09, 21:41

Isn't Ironic that guys pick the ones that they find sweethearts that they want to protect and leave the game, yet but rewarding with the "kindness" i.e. money and gifts is more likely to keep them working.

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Very very true! A fresh girl enters the *****market and finds she is rewarded and praised by her customers, especially the nice guy who likes her very much and pays her extra, gives her gifts, and yet thinks she shouldn't be in this dirty business. The guy INADVERTANTLY reinforces the girls behavior of selling sexual services.

They become hookers only because we reinforce that behavior.

It's kind of like buying stolen goods from someone while telling them they shouldn't become a thief.

Chocha Monger

11-01-09, 22:06

Anyone having 2nd thoughts on the plight of working gals should quit mongering now. How many think that this is job of their choosing letting old feckers molest and shag them.

You should all make amends by calling each young flower you have defiled personally, apologise and deposit at least RMB50,000 in their account so they can leave the business and go home.

Now that you know that the gals enter the business, not by choice are you going to stop mongering...I think not!
Bob Builder,

You make some excellent points! A trick claiming to want prostitutes to get out of the trade makes about as much sense as a dope fiend claiming that he wants his dealers to get out of the business and attend college. The reality is that his addiction and patronage keeps them in business. If the trick were honest with himself he'd see that he wants young girls to keep getting into the trade so that he can continue to feed his insatiable lust for young flesh. If he truly cared he wouldn't be fucking them in the first place. The nice treatment and extra cash are nothing more than futile attempts to soothe a guilty conscience. For all of his supposed concerns about their future he'll be right back out there tricking in a minute right after unloading his psychological baggage on others.

Csun213

11-02-09, 02:38

Here is just my personal opinion. There is no profession that earn more money for the average girl then prostitution. This is a fact in every country and this is the reason why it is the oldest profession.

The good looking girls can make more money in a couple years than the average girl can working in a factory her entire life.

A lot of girls do this for a short time (6-12 months) then goes home.

I too have lost my regular girls due to marriage but that is just life. We see the girl when she is in her early 20s, then after a few years, she will get married and of course leave the life.

I have always told my girls that I am too old for them and if they find someone that is nice and is willing to marry her, then she should go for it.

I still keep in touch of 3 of the girls that have gotten married as friends.

I agree with Joe, if you treat the girls as a person, then they will treat you as a friend. It does hurt to lose your regular girl after knowing her for so long. This is one of the reason why I am going to Thailand this year instead of China (except to Zhuhai to check it out) since I no longer have any regulars there anymore and it just take too long to find another good one.

Santa, it is nice to see you on the forum again.

Bob Builder

11-02-09, 03:34

i frequented thailand and often heard of similar stories. i also sent girls money and made a damned fool of myself!

oah, what was that story you told about going to the girl's village to meet the family?

anyway, i guess thailand is where we got our coldhearted cynicism.

as for asiajoe, he said before that he is rewarded for "treating the girls like human beings." i think he becomes like a surrogate father figure. shows them that he cares and tries to help, and just like being a real dad, there are emotional consequences. however, advising him to "not get involved" would be like telling a mother teresa not to care about the poor. joe gets satisfaction from trying to be the good guy who cares and helps, and i predict he will continue to do so.

i think joe has more important things on his mind this morning and is conspicuous by his absence. he may not be so generous if the sharemarket keeps heading south.

if a real dad did what he does it is called [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128) and he would be in prison.

just joking guys!

OldAsiaHand

11-02-09, 03:37

I frequented Thailand and often heard of similar stories. I also sent girls money and made a damned fool of myself!

OAH, what was that story you told about going to the girl's village to meet the family?

Anyway, I guess Thailand is where we got our coldhearted cynicism.

Santa,

The story I told you was a WG in Thailand that told me her mother could not walk and needed an operation. I went to her house and saw a lady running around:

OAH: "Who is that?"
WG: "That's my mother."
OAH: "I thought you told me your mother could not walk."
WG: "Oh, she is not my real mother, I only call her that."

I have heard so many "Sick Buffalo" stories over the years that I have become hardened so to speak. Let's face it. In third world countries, most WGs (exception may be those working for LV bags) come on the game because they come from poor families in the countryside. They all have problems at home they are trying to make money to solve. The extent to which they exagerate the truth varies. Some are better liars than others. Our problem is that it is difficult to determine what is true. Therefore, I do not try to. When it gets to that point, I just move on.

We have all fallen into the trap at some point in our mongering career. Wanting to save a WG from her misery. I also "bought a farm" so to speak when I was younger and ignorant.

I have recently watched the transition from regular girl from the countryside to hardcore WG in Thailand. Fortunately, I kept my bank account intact but I did overpay her when I saw her in the beginning. I went through all the emotional anxiety thinking about taking her off the game. The longer she worked the more money she wanted. I never took the dive. I finally had to cut it off.

The problem is caused by too many BSD buying the farm and giving these girls crazy amounts of money (ATM). They look at their fellow WGs that "caught a fish" and think they can do the same.

Just my POV.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48

11-02-09, 03:52

The problem is caused by too many BSD buying the farm and giving these girls crazy amounts of money (ATM). They look at their fellow WGs that "caught a fish" and think they can do the same.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]OAH,

I still think girl in China is better Liar than girl from Thailand, you can find girl not from bar that can give you GFE but I still don't believe anything they tell you and northern girl is more honest than girl from the south.

Fast Eddie 48

Bob Builder

11-02-09, 04:19

Santa,

The story I told you was a WG in Thailand that told me her mother could not walk and needed an operation. I went to her house and saw a lady running around:

OAH: "Who is that?"
WG: "That's my mother."
OAH: "I thought you told me your mother could not walk."
WG: "Oh, she is not my real mother, I only call her that."

I have heard so many "Sick Buffalo" stories over the years that I have become hardened so to speak. Let's face it. In third world countries, most WGs (exception may be those working for LV bags) come on the game because they come from poor families in the countryside. They all have problems at home they are trying to make money to solve. The extent to which they exagerate the truth varies. Some are better liars than others. Our problem is that it is difficult to determine what is true. Therefore, I do not try to. When it gets to that point, I just move on.

We have all fallen into the trap at some point in our mongering career. Wanting to save a WG from her misery. I also "bought a farm" so to speak when I was younger and ignorant.

I have recently watched the transition from regular girl from the countryside to hardcore WG in Thailand. Fortunately, I kept my bank account intact but I did overpay her when I saw her in the beginning. I went through all the emotional anxiety thinking about taking her off the game. The longer she worked the more money she wanted. I never took the dive. I finally had to cut it off.

The problem is caused by too many BSD buying the farm and giving these girls crazy amounts of money (ATM). They look at their fellow WGs that "caught a fish" and think they can do the same.

Just my POV.

OAH

I have a regular that I see on average 1-2 times a week. She has over the past 2 years left and come back at least 2 times. A while back she told me she wanted to stay over as she had given up her flat and was leaving for good. I didn't have time but called back a week later to see if she was still around and saw her again. She said that times had been bad due to the regular crackdowns, she didn't have any money, I saw she was down and would leave as soon as she had enough for a ticket home.

I offered to buy her a ticket home but then she said she would have nothing to spend on food, bare essentials, etc. so was sticking around for the next few months so she could earn around RMB20,000 before she goes home for good. No, I did not give her the money.

This gal has been telling me she is going to get a normal job for the 2 years that I have known her. She is also one of those annoying people who calls you and lets the phone ring once and hangs up so you have to call back and pay for the phone call so so she saves .49RMB. I know when she is desperate for money as she calls and lets the phone rings. I will answer and extend the conversation as longs as possible before saying I am too busy.

Although this gals attitude has progressively gotten worse over time, I still keep her on the books as there are a lot worse out there.

Douglas23

11-02-09, 07:13

First. Many thanks to BSDave for looking out for me while I was in CP-. First time trip to CP. A little bit of a detour from my regular Houjie City jaunts at The Show.

BSD got e into and then out of Jia Hua hotel. I think that's the right name- ot is the new one at 238 RMB around corner from Clipper. No hot water, credit card machines didn't work, requiring exhorbitant deposit that SEAJoe spoke of. And a nagging paint smell that gave me a headache. Not to mention very average breakfast.

BSD got me out of there and into Clipper. Great night at the new large KTV. Cannot remember the name. The massive hotel. Joined some folks that were gracious enough to have me as an extra. Next night I went to Manhattan. I love the flower show and BSD had phoned ahead arranging my "takeout". I pick, tip the manager, and off I go. Luck jumps in and I befriend some Koreans who graciously allow me to join their group. Hey. One more guy chipping in 500 only helps the cause! I do recommend this strategy if alone and have been invited to join at another KTV in Shunde.

On to the main part of my post. Took my KTV gal out and said lets go for a walk. I need to buy something "fun". We went out the Clipper (turning left) towards the main drag about 200 yards or so. A quick right and 200 yards later there is the adult novelty store. Still open!

My gal was a little nervous but the 12 inch dildos only made it easier to sell her on picking out a costume. They had policewoman, etc etc. We picked garters and stockings and skimpy top and I fucked her silly while still in costume. I think she liked it since she kept it (I had hoped to reuse all but the thong! ). Anyways, a 100 RMB investment that made just another night of KTV and girl into something memorable.

Off to Houjie. Will post later about Regal Palace another time.

D23

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Elixir

11-02-09, 09:11

Went to Fu Hao KTV with Flat Stamp and 4 Europeans, arranged and organized by BSDave.

Got there at 6, so we all settled in and BSDave started explaining the pricing, tag differences, and general behavior at a KTV. Once on the Flower Show, all the Europeans (some were newbies who've never been to China or a KTV) started picking. I guess all they need was sign language and it's up to the girl whether she wants to sit with the foreigner, but they chose pretty darn quick. Hotties too. Back to the room and all were happy with their picks.

KTV fun. Now this got interesting. The girls were totally fun and enjoyed playing with the Europeans. Drinking, teaching them the dice games, and overall being great companions to their dates. We did minimal translation, yet these 4 Europeans spoke perhaps 20 words of Chinese.

Onto the strip dance. The girls got topless. The guys got nude. Pretty crazy as the girls measured penis while dancing, playing, hugging, etc.

BSDave got everyone playing games and more drinking and fun ensued. Great that none of the girls got too drunk or ran off to get changed or cutting corners with service to the foreign guests.

End of the night everyone took his gal back.Hi all,

I am one of the European guys, it was a really nice party on Fu Hao KTV, our group had a great time with all the ISG members, BruceTea, Flat Stamp and BSDave who made our party really nice and fun, i remember the “Bing, Bang, Ha!” game totally crazy!

The girl I picked was a bit mad but really funny, she got nice boobs and it was terrific to dance and play with all the girls semi naked!

I kept my girl for all night, we had enough time to make 3 shots, the last shot on the morning was the best, she was a nice girl with a beautiful body and a great personality!

The cost for overnight was 850 + 20 tip, 300 for the KTV party.

The same day, on afternoon, we went to the BBS for the “chicken run”, it was nice to visit all the spots, some BBS are located on unusual places, SE Asia Joe introduced me a really nice girl and later we had a truly great time together on the bed, so thanks for your advices!

I stayed 6 days on CP and had time to visit some places, JiaYi KTV, Fu Hao KTV, Hui Hua KTV, Galaxy KTV (on Walter Hotel), Miraton’s Sauna and some BBS, most of the time I had a very good time, IMHO CP is properly a premium location, I really like too the Saunas scene from Macau and the German’s FKK!

Hope to meet you again.

Elixir

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Santa

11-02-09, 11:28

I think Joe has more important things on his mind this morning and is conspicuous by his absence. He may not be so generous if the sharemarket keeps heading south.

I think Joe's concern for the girls is truly genuine and he sincerely wishes he could help them.

I think that is also true of most mongerers. We learn to like the girls we rent and wish we could have meaningful relationships, instead of just cheap short-time shags. But the situation is what it is and we are what we are.

Thank you Csun.

Freepeaks

11-02-09, 20:19

Closest I got to genuine lesbo action in China was a couple Filipinos operating out of Shenzhen for a few days whilst they were on a Visa run - and have NEVER had any luck with local gals - not even close to seein' any lesbo action.
SEAJ

Try the HuiHua sauna. I have had a few good experiences there and the girls sometime come from ChangAn and are more open to new ideas than other saunas i've tried. never had a bad triple there. very compliant girls and Lily the mommie will tell you which girls are good and bad. she takes notes.

Freepeaks

11-02-09, 20:56

Adding to RaceTrack...

Mayflower: Opened summer 2009. More girls than any other KTV in CP, with some people estimating as many 400 girls on a weekend night. All of the girls line up in the main hall ("flower show") at 6:00-6:30. 2-5-8

Lots of quanity but quality can be lacking. nice rooms many english songs and great look to the place, but ktv talent is lacking. the place is beautiful inside and so are the rooms, now if they could just bring up the quality of the girls. the location of the mayflower is annoying - dangerous. you really need to cab there and away, it is not even near shops and they only let gypsy cabs hawk in the back for transit...

JiaYi: Same owner as Mayflower. Was the largest KTV before Mayflower came on the scene. Similar set-up to Mayflower, but with about two-thirds as many girls. Also has flower show in main hall. 2-5-8

used to be great, quality has slipped a little. haven't been in awile. very similar to mayflower though in all aspects.

Hui Hua: Popular KTV as it is in a popular hotel. Some people say that HH girls are on average a notch better than other CP KTV establishments (such as Mayflower). No flower show. Instead, momies bring their stables into KTV rooms for selection, which is the standard procedure in most CP KTVs. 2-5-8

many HH customers for KTV are hotel guests also. quality i always thought to be above average, however a sunday visit a few months ago was not good.. but it was a sunday. nice rooms, very pretty, bill will be slightly higher than other places as hotel is slightly higher level as well.

Miraton: Another popular hotel next door to HH. Similar set-up to HH, but girl quality is reputed to be lower. 2-5-8

similar to HH. nice rooms and talent is good. they seem to draw alot of new girls.

Virgin: Older building, but hardware facilities still nice. No flower show. Some girls will strip to panties for an extra 100, in which case the price becomes 3-6-9.

the dresses at Virgin are nice, no bras on girls. most are okay with light touching without a nasty look. very pretty girls usually in imho. don't know about the stripping, wasn't available i don't think when we were there.

FuHao: Similar to Virgin, with some of the girls stripping for extra 100RMB. These girls are reputed to dance half naked at around 10:30. (I have been to Fuhao twice, and never saw the half-naked dancing.) Has flower show. 2-5-8 (+1)

yes they will dance, fun girls, and prettiness varies but there seems to be a good variety for everyone to choose, tall, short, and many are cute. few very pretty. and only a few ugly (mayflower has alot of ugly). very easy to find a girl and rarely do you find one that isn't fun.

Manhattan: New hardware and has flower show. It has been reported that girls now remove their underwear for the evening after they have been selected? Also, they now have little games at around 9:30. 2-5-8

don't know about the underwear, but the staff is friendly. BSD seems to be best friends with the manager, he treats us like kings. girls are fun, small flower show in a small lobby area, but girls are usually fun and like to party.

Penninsula: Pretty much the classic KTV set up, similar to HH and Miraton. Hardware a little worn, but who is there for the hardware? 2-5-8

ah... haven't been in awile used to have fun girls and decent room hardware but also girls were usually cute.

PP Club: PP usually alot of HK customers (alot). few other foreigners as it is not associated with a hotel. English song list is a little weak there, equipment is okay. Girls are usually cute and fun, but can be scarce as they don't have the numbers of other places.

Swan Lake: Was up to recently 1-3-6 but recently switched to 2-5-8. Girls double as KTV and BBS girls.

Old SL was fun, party girls, but lower than average quality to match the 1-3-6 but hell take 2 or 3 at that rate to sit. haven't been since the change especially since by time they sit they might have been out of the BBS 2-3 times.

California Red.... small KTV across from Manhattan. same no bra clothes as Virgin (told they stole the idea). 2-5-8 Older equipment and old rooms but most of the girls were cute and liked to drink. they had a striptease girl that would dance for 200?300? for 20-30 min. something different. all in all old room, old ktv system but alot of fun. of course jetsetter had his own music so that helps.

HuiMei - actually not bad. average number of girls and mostly cute with no stunners, attracts alot of new talent before they graduate. so gfe quality may be good or bad depending on chemistry. 2-5-8

Clipper KTV... clipper KTV is actually reasonably fun but certainly much smaller than other KTVs maybe 60-80 girls and less rooms. but fun can be had there and they have some good music on the ktv system.

EurAsia hotel... new ktv in south CP. big new pretty hotel. flower show in larger room by staircases, all girls wear either long white dress (new) or purple dress (after training 1 month), also have models 5-10-15 but they are tall and not good looking (after 1.5 hours into choosing i saw at least 25 models still not picked). Girls were fun and very pleasant, somehow a classier place, do not expect groping perv girls. room cost even with BSD was 500/head so more expensive on par with Crown Prince. both girls selected here had only worked 1-2 months and were new to KTV. many new girls.

Crown Prince... expensive place with 2-5-8 and 3-6-9, have large flower room where you can stand on second floor and look down on beauties. seems their quality is being drained off elsewhere. hotel is run down and 12 years old in modeling, though KTV and lobby rooms are very nice. they have a large stage show that is a big draw and it is fun to watch. get a ktv room with balcony for that. fun place - expect min 500/head with 3+ people. more if less than 3. also it is a 10 minute cab ride (20-30 rmb) from CP.

Freepeaks

11-02-09, 22:50

Anyway, if I had never known what the old pricing was, if I had never known I could bargain it down, if I had just gone with the flow and paid 2-4-7!! I mean, what's another hundred bucks??!! SEAJ

You feeling okay Joe? what's another hundred bucks?? ... if you want laowei pricing ask me. it was 2-4-7 when we were there and bbs was 200 but BSD was with me so i had antilaowei price protection. there were very few girls there for 2.30-3.00pm they show up late there.

i agree that the 1-3-6 for the bbs/ktv girls was the attraction of the place, now it is pricier and gone. rather go for the girl less travelled for the same pricing elsewhere.

One Eyed Man

11-03-09, 06:54

Last week, I spent a couple of days in Chang Ping. Since it was my first time, I enlisted the help of BSDave. He is friendly and knowledgeable and provides the amount of support and hand-holding you need (for a fee). He can totally guide you if you don't speak a word of Mandarin. I have to say, though, even though I speak some Mandarin, my experience would have been even better if I spoke more. BSD said that 80% of the mongers in CP are Asian (and speak Mandarin), and although they all speak English, you sometimes feel like a fifth wheel because of the language gap. Also, I would recommend In addition, I would suggest that you should try to learn some of the most commonly sung karaoke songs. (Maybe someone can post a top-10 list.) BTW, the KTV parlors have karaoke machines have Chinese menus and very few Western songs.
Anyway, I made a tactical error and arrived at Guangzhou (formerly Canton) airport. It's a pain in the butt to get to CP from there (involving many cab and train changes), but BSD sent a driver to pick me up. It's a 1:40 drive--coming from Shenzhen is much easier. I arrived at the Clipper hotel, and Dave was there to check me in. (the Chinese name is 帆船酒店 fānchuán jiǔdiàn). It was the newest, and they hadn't jacked up the rate as much as the others during the Canton Fair. I had to put down a 300 RMB repost. Don't lose the receipt!!! (Actually I couldn't find mine when I checked out, but they let it slide.) In my ticket jacket there was also a coupon for breakfast the next morning. The next day, they placed the coupon on the note pad in my room.
We then went to lunch at a nearby hotel (which has the best ATM in town.) BTW, when you are with Dave, you pick up all the checks, but it doesn't amount to that much, since China is inexpensive.
After lunch, Dave was completely at my disposal for a trip to a sauna, barber shop, whatever. I chose a massage, and there was a place at the Fu Hao hotel, which was the KTV Dave had chosen for the evening. It was three hours for like RMB 180. We were finished about 6:30 p.m., which is prime KTV-going time.
The flower street at the Fu Hao was mind-blowing. You are surrounded by a couple hundred girls that are all looking at you and trying to get your attention. The mama-sans are also bringing you girls, linking their arms in yours, and grabbing hold of you. Dave cautioned my to only pick out girls with white badges, which denotes that they can go home with you. He also suggested picking the first one you like right away, so that you have one in the bag that doesn't get away. I am one loop around the floor to see what was available, but after being delayed in my first pass, I found that many had already been snatched away. I took one really cute one that Dave knew and recommended, and one that had an unusual look that I liked.
In the room, they brought fruit and some Chinese snacks (like chicken feet), They ordered dinner, but I wasn't really hungry. (I think this was bad form, since my girls didn't eat either and probably had too much to drink.)
I hadn't really understood the liar's dice game, but Dave explained it to me. Basically, the bidding process is to determine what dice your rivals are holding so that you can call them on it. If you are good at math, you should be able to deduce the probabilities and smoke your girls who probably don't have that ability. Basically, the aim is to get them drunk. The other game, "Bing Bang La" also is totally hard from some people, and they have to drink. Other than that, we sang songs, most of them Chinese ones. Dave had an offer/fine for the first and last girls that change into their street clothes, with the aim of delaying them changing.
At the end of the evening, the lights were turned down and the girls stripped off their tops, and we had to strip down too. This lets you inspect the merchandise. Dave told a story of a European the week before that took off all his clothes (more than required) and ended up poking everyone with his boner while they danced. After that, you pick your girl and go home. I took the unusual one and had a great time. The cute girl I did not pick really tried to feel guilty, pouting her lips and looking real sad. Apparently most girls leave around 9 a.m. (if you keep them overnight), but mine just crashed until about noon.
I was pretty satisfied from the night before, so after lunch, I elected to get a foot massage. The Clipper has a room for four, and Dave bought some DVDs and we watched them while we got foot massages (and also neck/body massages and I got an ear cleaning.)
That evening, Dave picked the KTV at the Manhattan. We had brought girls with us, there was a bevy of beauties, each in a different costume linking them to their mama-san. There were fewer Western songs at this KTV, and it was hard to select them. Again, mostly Chinese songs. The place had a very modern, with a high-tech feel. Since the girls with us were civilians, there was no nakedness, and they went home at the end of the evening. Dave offered to take me to the night market, but I was satisfied and called it a night.
My verdict: going to KTVs was fun, but I don't understand how people do it for weeks at a time, Clearly, my experience would be enhanced with better Mandarin, and I could participate more if I learned some Chinese songs. There are many other options in CP: saunas, BBSes, and the night market, but probably not much to do other than mongering. Also, the mongers are friendly, and I met some contacts that might be beneficial for business. i didn't get the impression that CP is dangerous at all, but Dave keeps you safe. I'll be back soon.

Bob Builder

11-03-09, 14:55

One Eyed Man,

You question how you can go to KTV weeks on end. Try years on end. There was a spell when I nearly went every weekend for 2 years. But then I had the libedo of a jackrabbit. Now you have to drag me into one of the places for someone's birthday.

OldAsiaHand

11-03-09, 16:32

She is also one of those annoying people who calls you and lets the phone ring once and hangs up so you have to call back and pay for the phone call so so she saves .49RMB.

Alot of girls do this. It pisses me off but I understand that they think we can afford it more than they can. Why don't they just use SMS?

OAH

Bob Builder

11-04-09, 03:20

Alot of girls do this. It pisses me off but I understand that they think we can afford it more than they can. Why don't they just use SMS?

OAH

Logic would dictate if you were trying to save money, you would also have a very cheap phone but a lot of them have RMB2000 - 3000 phones which were not all given to them by a generous benefactor.

RMB.49 is a small outlay considering I will pay RMB150 + tip. Unfortunately if this gals mouth was not a perfect fit for little bob I would have ditched her long ago.

She sometimes calls and I ask what she wants and she says that she justs wants to know how I am doing...sure! Despite not answering my calls for a week, what she really means is I have no money after losing it all at the majong tables so I need some easy money.

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 07:12

And BTW - you know that KTV on top of the restaurant in front of the Yalan Hotel? With the BBS where fat Rainbow presides? Well, she was telling me that its a good deal there - beer is RMB 20@ no minimum, and the ktv rooms has no minimum charge and instead just RMB 48, 58 and 68 per hour usage fee? No DJ charges either. So maybe I'll try it next time and see what happens. (note the rooms are old and quite gross.... matches Rainbow's gals!!)

And you guys, next time you wanna hoop it up for just a while before you go and pop one of her gals, just reconfirm the deal w/them and try it out.... and report back.

SEAJ
Correction/more on above.

The beer is only RMB 8 per bottle! And the room charges are 38, 48, 68 and 98 per hour - but between 1 - 7 pm is Happy hour and the RMB 38 room goes for RMB 26 per hour.

The gals are 2-3-6 - and thus basically the KTV sitting charge amounts to RMB 100. And no, I didn't try it out as there were hardly any gals when I went

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 07:18

Logic would dictate if you were trying to save money, you would also have a very cheap phone but a lot of them have RMB2000 - 3000 phones which were not all given to them by a generous benefactor.

RMB.49 is a small outlay considering I will pay RMB150 + tip. Unfortunately if this gals mouth was not a perfect fit for little bob I would have ditched her long ago.

She sometimes calls and I ask what she wants and she says that she justs wants to know how I am doing...sure! Despite not answering my calls for a week, what she really means is I have no money after losing it all at the majong tables so I need some easy money.
When can these gals ever be credited with any logic? LOL!

I also used to phone back these one ring/hang up calls - even those who'se number I didn't recognize/not registered on my phone book - until one day I phoned one, heard a few crackles and got cut off! Re-tried foning again - and guess what..... my phone charge had completely run out!! and I just filled it with RMB 100 earlier in the day.

What it is - is a con by some fraudster. They'd get a phone number with the ability to levy charges on callers (like those phone sex lines in the States I guess) and just drain whatever is available for any callers.

so be warned - do NOT phone back numbers you do not recognize

Just IMHO

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 07:33

You feeling okay Joe? what's another hundred bucks?? ... if you want laowei pricing ask me. it was 2-4-7 when we were there and bbs was 200 but BSD was with me so i had antilaowei price protection. there were very few girls there for 2.30-3.00pm they show up late there.

i agree that the 1-3-6 for the bbs/ktv girls was the attraction of the place, now it is pricier and gone. rather go for the girl less travelled for the same pricing elsewhere.
"Official show up to work period" for the gals at the Jun hui is 3:30 to 5:00 pm. Later than 5 and they get fined RMB 50 - or 140 if they don't show up at all!

And me feeling OK? Yeah - all fixed up now - just got back from 4 days up there to replenish my stock.

Even had a 176 cm gal with huge eyes and pretty face- only problem was that she had absolutely no boobs at all. None, Nada, zilch and only 2 pencil erasers on top of a totally flat chest. Amazing! And made me shake my head - as usual - that i had actually been suckin' on them tiny protuberances! Errrr... she did get quite excited when I was doin' it, so......

But hell - it's like I was sucking on a guy's titties and scared me shit-less in case I'd be wakin' up any latent homosexual tendencies!! Just like the times I was doin' that Peninsula Gal with the perfect body and beautiful face - but with a man's voice!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 07:49

When did I ever write that I want any WG to get out of the profession?
Or suggest that I feel any guilt about doing any of these gals?
Or had tried to assuage myself by giving them little gifts?
Unloading my psychological baggage on others?

Christalmighty!! Please read again what I wrote last on the subject
947951

All I said was my "acts of kindness" to these gals many times awake their own inner demons, unleashed their own pangs of guilt, sadness at how their lives had turned, their lost dreams, their lost direction.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 08:03

First thing I did upon coming into CP this time was call up one of my previous regulars - the Old SWL sub-Mommy with the smoking hot body and even better moves in bed. She had been one of these gals I had been friends with and who I did try to help - when asked - with advise, with my take on life, some little gifts etc.

I had bumped into her the last time I was here, working at a dress shop. I went ahead and bought from her a little sweater for the gal I was with and re-established contacts.

I did her but she told me that now she does NOT want to do any guys for money like before - and that now, she just wants to live a normal life and earn whatever she can without going back to her old profession. I practically had to force money on her (as I don't like taking advantage of any gal) but now am wondering if I did the wrong thing to have insisted on paying this gal who was telling me that she was doin' it with me not for the money.

Cain't win for loosin' sometimes!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 08:37

Was invited for a couple drinks at the Jun Hui by one of the mommies who was celebrating her birthday.

Anyway, we got to talking and she asks me to sort of "spread the word to my Western Friends" to please be better behaved when going there. Reason being that I do show up with quite a few "western Guys and that she consider me a friend (Yeah - right!! And I was born yesterday!!)), and thus the natural person to relay her request.

Yes, she admits, the mommies at the Jun Hui (and at most other places she speculates) tend to/ can go way over the top selling their gals and probably had even been more than annoying, and it's probably unrealistic for guys to reciprocate with understanding - but still she asks me to try my best.

I know that I'm probably gonna get slammed for this posting - but I Do need to relay to you foreigners here what all is going on and hopefully steer you away from any trouble or even annoyance.

OK, what's been happening is as follows:

- A couple or so gals had been - or claimed to have been - injured whilst servicing large foreigners. Whether true or not that its caused by large guys - nonetheless, it's put some of the gals out of action and NOT earning $$ for themselves or their mommies (they could also be using this excuse to take off time from work without paying the no-show fee to the mommy)

- This injury thing could be self fulfilling as a gal would probably go into it with a big guy all scared.... and will not be able to get excited/wet. Dry pussy, big guy all excited = fucking raw = injury. Especially if the guy is hopped up with chemcial assist which will make them harder and last longer - something the gals suspects most Laowais do when they're out mongering

- They've heard grumbles from some of their "regular clients" that their gals must be so desperate to have to resort to servicing foreigners - and have had specific requests to never push a gal who'd done a foreigner previously.

- There had of late been too many foreigners coming to the Jun Hui acting all BSD, all idiotically, all acting as if everybody at the BBs should beg on their knees to be graced by their US$, pound, Euro or whatever.... but then refuse to pay any "Laowai" surcharge! Like what was the norm even a few years back. (hmmmmm.... wonder how all the foreigners know what the actual rates are??? Hmmmm.... could it be our little board here??? hmmmm...!!)

- That if these laowais ain't gonna be paying any extra $$ - why should they even allow them to come when it's actually adversely affecting their business.

Please don't shoot the messenger (MOI!!!) I'm just relaying to you guys what I had been asked to relay - with even an implied threat that if they get any more problems with Loawais, that they indeed will ban them from coming. So guys, please don't screw it all up for the rest of the guys who may be coming to CP after you've left.

SEAJ

Bob Builder

11-04-09, 08:47

When can these gals ever be credited with any logic? LOL!

I also used to phone back these one ring/hang up calls - even those who'se number I didn't recognize/not registered on my phone book - until one day I phoned one, heard a few crackles and got cut off! Re-tried foning again - and guess what..... my phone charge had completely run out!! and I just filled it with RMB 100 earlier in the day.

What it is - is a con by some fraudster. They'd get a phone number with the ability to levy charges on callers (like those phone sex lines in the States I guess) and just drain whatever is available for any callers.

so be warned - do NOT phone back numbers you do not recognize

Just IMHO

SEAJ

There are also a lot of advertisers that ring once and when you call back you get a recorded message and are charged for the call. The phone companies get a lot of revenue from these. They normally use a SIM carded which is from another area zone so that you are charged as a long distance call when calling back. To check if it is one of these numbers and you don't have too many friends outside of the area you travel in, call back using a landline and you will get message that you first need to dial "0" meaning it is from oustide of your area code.

Bob Builder

11-04-09, 09:01

Was invited for a couple drinks at the Jun Hui by one of the mommies who was celebrating her birthday.

Anyway, we got to talking and she asks me to sort of "spread the word to my Western Friends" to please be better behaved when going there. Reason being that I do show up with quite a few "western Guys and that she consider me a friend (Yeah - right!! And I was born yesterday!!)), and thus the natrual person to relay her request.

Yes, she admits, the mommies at the Jun Hui (and at most other places she speculates) tend to/ can go way over the top selling their gals and probably had even been more than annoying, and it's probably unrealistic for guys to reciprocate with understanding - but still she asks me to try my best.

I know that I'm probably gonna get slammed for this posting - but I Do need to relay to you foreigners here what all is going on and hopefully steer you away from any trouble or even annoyance.

OK, what's been happening is as follows:

- A couple or so gals had been - or claimed to have been - injured whilst servicing large foreigners. Whether true or not that its caused by large guys - nonetheless, it's put some of the gals out of action and NOT earning $$ for themselves or their mommies (they could also be using this excuse to take off time from work without paying the no-show fee to the mommie)

- This injury thing could be self fulfilling as a gal would probably go into it with a big guy all scared.... and will not be able to get excited/wet. Dry pussy, big guy all excited = fucking raw = injury. Especially if the guy is hopped up with chemcial assist which will make them harder and last longer - something the gals suspects most Laowais do when they're out mongering

- They've heard grumbles from some of their "regular clients" that their gals must be so desperate to have to resort to servicing foreigners - and have had specific requests to never push a gal who'd done a foreigner previously.

- There had of late been too many foreigners coming to the Jun Hui acting all BSD, all idiotically, all acting as if everybody at the BBs should beg on their knees to be graced by their US$, pound, Euro or whatever.... but then refuse to pay any "Laowai" surcharge! Like what was the norm even a few years back. (hmmmmm.... wonder how all the foreigners know what the actual rates are??? Hmmmm.... could it be our little board here??? hmmmm...!!)

- That if these laowais ain't gonna be paying any extra $$ - why should they even allow them to come when it's actually adversely affecting their business.

Please don't shoot the messenger (MOI!!!) I'm just relaying to you guys what I had been asked to relay - with even an implied threat that if they get any more problems with Loawais, that they indeed will ban them from coming. So guys, please don't screw it all up for the rest of the guys who may be coming to CP after you've left.

SEAJ

This what you get for promoting this paradise on earth to the world at large.

It is quite common for Chinese guy not want to do gals sho have been done by foreigners due to the FACT that all foreigners are big dicks, I mean have big dicks and all STDs were imported by them. I am a large prick myself and am usually so drunk when I go upstairs I can shag for hours without cumming so should expect to be banned as well?

Unfortunately I do not know of any plastic surgeon who performs dick reduction surgery to aid our foreign brothers.

Canton Fair or 1 or 2 time a year guys are not going to give a ... That would also mean they should ban all guys that help out like BSD.

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 09:15

Adding to RaceTrack...

Mayflower: . More girls than any other KTV in CP, with some people estimating as many 400 girls on a weekend night. .........

Virgin: Older building, but hardware facilities still nice. No flower show. Some girls will strip to panties for an extra 100, in which case the price becomes 3-6-9.

FuHao: Similar to Virgin, with some of the girls stripping for extra 100RMB. These girls are reputed to dance half naked at around 10:30. (I have been to Fuhao twice, and never saw the half-naked dancing.) Has flower show. 2-5-8 (+1)
..
Swan Lake: Was up to recently 1-3-6 but recently switched to 2-5-8. Girls double as KTV and BBS girls.

California Red.... small KTV across from Manhattan. same no bra clothes as Virgin (told they stole the idea). 2-5-8 ..........
.............Clipper KTV... clipper KTV is actually reasonably fun but certainly much smaller than other KTVs maybe 60-80 girls and less rooms. ....

EurAsia hotel... new ktv in south CP. big new pretty hotel. flower show in larger room by staircases, all girls wear either long white dress (new) or purple dress (after training 1 month), also have models 5-10-15 but they are tall and not good looking (after 1.5 hours into choosing i saw at least 25 models still not picked).

Some notations on Freepeak's and Race tracks' posts -

- Most of the KTV's where the gals are MOSTLY 2-5-8 - please note that there will usually also be the Model or A class gals which will have higher charges. Such higher charges are usually but NOT always - relayed to client by the mommies - and of course always in Chinese. So guys, please be aware of these higher charges for some gals and make sure which gal is which to avoid any problems or embarrassments.

- Mayflower is reputed to have over 1,400 gals on week-end nights

- Fuhao strip gals are only RMB 50 extra - thus 2.5 -5-8

- Swan Lake with the see through tops and no bra is 2-4-7

- California Red is favored by the locals (very few outsiders, even HKG guys) and most of their gals are at least 3-6-9

- Clipper still has too many "just recently BBS gals"

- Euro Asia - and here, I'm still a bit confused as to the pricing - but I think its 2-5-8 for the white dressed gals all covered up, 3-6-9 for the white dressed but bare mid-rift ones as well as the purple dressed ones. I'm not sure if the models are 5-10-15 as per Freepeaks or what but I do know that the super models - those in the red cheongsams - are 5-15-20.

Corrections and updates welcome.

SEAJ

Nvslim

11-04-09, 12:20

but I do know that the super models - those in the red cheongsams - are 5-15-20.

SEAJ

Are you shitting me. That's what $3,000 over nite? Must be some powerful pussy.

Slim

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 13:17

Are you shitting me. That's what $3,000 over nite? Must be some powerful pussy.

Slim
What are you asking?
5-15-20 means 500, 1500 and 2,000 RMB - that's $300 - not $3,000!

Still..... even $300 is NOT worth it as all they, are, IMHO, are just taller - and .... especially when there are 2-5-8 gals at the same place.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 14:06

This what you get for promoting this paradise on earth to the world at large.

............

Canton Fair or 1 or 2 time a year guys are not going to give a ... That would also mean they should ban all guys that help out like BSD.
Guess they oughta ban you and I too!!

Posting up and sharing all these information and all.
Howzabout Asian Dragon - now....that's a real bad ass with all the insight on top of the information. and Old Asia Wreck - Omigawd!!

Muahaha

SEAJ

Bob Builder

11-04-09, 16:25

Guess they oughta ban you and I too!!

Posting up and sharing all these information and all.
Howzabout Asian Dragon - now....that's a real bad ass with all the insight on top of the information. and Old Asia Wreck - Omigawd!!

Muahaha

SEAJ

I don't go to CP much so the more you promote it the better.

As far as SZ whether a gal does a foreigner or a dog or a northern thug doesn't make a difference to me. They are too small a group to really make a difference. The worse you treat them, the more of a nice guy I appear.

Anyways, instead of listening to the bitching mamas, you should have told them off for giving them gals that couldn't do the business. Or were they taking the opportunity to do the bait and switch by giving the non-Chinese guys a hottie but when it was time to go do the business they would say the gals would or could not do it and replace with a less desirable gals who would and then earn more money in the process?

SE Asia Joe

11-04-09, 18:13

I don't go to CP much so the more you promote it the better.

As far as SZ whether a gal does a foreigner or a dog or a northern thug doesn't make a difference to me. They are too small a group to really make a difference. The worse you treat them, the more of a nice guy I appear.

Anyways, instead of listening to the bitching mamas, you should have told them off for giving them gals that couldn't do the business. Or were they taking the opportunity to do the bait and switch by giving the non-Chinese guys a hottie but when it was time to go do the business they would say the gals would or could not do it and replace with a less desirable gals who would and then earn more money in the process?
You're right - fact is the "foreign" custom is such a drop in the bucket for them that they're not at all concerned if Westerners come or not - and like I said, they're even contemplating actually NOT doing the business by choice and as a matter of good business.

And no, there's no bait and switch going on in CP - guys come, chose and take - simple as that and there's no opportunity and/or instances of baiting and switching.

And as far as telling off anybody - I'll leave that to you and others; I think I've got better things to do than that - for in the final analysis, what can be accomplished? They make their decisions based upon what they perceive as good business - reinforced by their stable of gals who only sees disadvantages doing foreigners i.e. ain't payin' any more, ain't likely to be regular client, waste of time even trying to figure out what the guy who cain't speak Chinese wants and of course the old saw about how big/long you guys are and how hepped up all of you are on chemical aids.

SEAJ

Bob Builder

11-05-09, 03:06

You're right - fact is the "foreign" custom is such a drop in the bucket for them that they're not at all concerned if Westerners come or not - and like I said, they're even contemplating actually NOT doing the business by choice and as a matter of good business.

And no, there's no bait and switch going on in CP - guys come, chose and take - simple as that and there's no opportunity and/or instances of baiting and switching.

And as far as telling off anybody - I'll leave that to you and others; I think I've got better things to do than that - for in the final analysis, what can be accomplished? They make their decisions based upon what they perceive as good business - re-inforced by their stable of gals who only sees disadvantages doing foreigners i.e. ain't payin' any more, ain't likely to be regular client, waste of time even trying to figure out what the guy who cain't speak Chinese wants and of course the old saw about how big/long you guys are and how hepped up all of you are on chemical aids.

SEAJ

You know in some places where you go for buffets (food that is) there is a measure for children where ones are below a certain height and age pay a lower price.

They could have the same system in the offending KTV where the bitchin mommy blows you until you are hard and measure your size and charges accordingly. Just a thought.

SE Asia Joe

11-05-09, 05:42

You know in some places where you go for buffets (food that is) there is a measure for children where ones are below a certain height and age pay a lower price.

They could have the same system in the offending KTV where the bitchin mommy blows you until you are hard and measure your size and charges accordingly. Just a thought.
Some more pipe dreams huh?

Fact of the matter is that the Western monger constitutes such a tiny percentage of the clientele for Chinese venues that there just is no bargaining power.

On top of everything else, a few "bad apples" do tend to spoil the whole cart as far as Western Mongers is concerned - as it is such a clearly identifiable and easily targeted group.

The only solution that i can see is for all of us to 'When in Rome, do...." instead of the way that some BSD's and/or idiots been acting up.

Just IMHO - and like I said, please don;t shoot the messenger!!

SEAJ

PS. You may want to also read what I wrote on this subject in the Living in China section - 950185

Girlover

11-05-09, 09:54

I am a western monger who just returned from 4 nights in CP. I had a great time, enjoyed the pleasures of 8 lovely girls (and the company of dozens more), and never contibuted to the bad behavior described below. I even spent lots of time hanging out with a BSD! Big Swingin Dave, that is. Excellent guy, and a big help. He made this trip, my 6th, the best ever.

At Dave's recommendation, I stayed at the Clipper, which I found comfortable and convenient. A real highlight, although not of a sexual nature, was a foot massage from La Na (#86) on the 5th floor. She is so lovely and charming. A very nice break from all the mongering.

As for mongering, SE Asia Joe was extremely kind in taking me to his favorite BBS, where at 3:30 PM, there were close to 15 girls. I would have happily gone with half of them (usually I am lucky to see one I like in a BBS), but was immediately struck by a lovely young spinner, with whom I took a nice long walk of shame back to the Clipper, but immediately got over it with a very memorable experience. She gave it her all to lower herself onto me (I'm only average) and 10 minutes later we were rocking blissfully.

More on KTVs and Saunas later.

Thank you so very much Big Swinging Dave and SE Asia Joe.

Bob Builder

11-05-09, 12:30

Some more pipe dreams huh?

Fact of the matter is that the Western monger constitutes such a tiny percentage of the clientele for Chinese venues that there just is no bargaining power.

On top of everything else, a few "bad apples" do tend to spoil the whole cart as far as Western Mongers is concerned - as it is such a clearly identifiable and easily targeted group.

The only solution that i can see is for all of us to 'When in Rome, do...." instead of the way that some BSD's and/or idiots been acting up.

Just IMHO - and like I said, please don;t shoot the messenger!!

SEAJ

PS. You may want to also read what I wrote on this subject in the Living in China section - 950185

Just a little frivolity on my part. Don't make a difference to me as I don't fit into that demographic.

But is a girl's working parts being damaged by a guy having a pecker larger than what they are used to makes the owner of said pecker a bad apple or did they do something additional to that.

KTV market is like any other, if they don't want your business yoiu can go elsewhere.

Whomer

11-05-09, 13:24

Even had a 176 cm gal with huge eyes and pretty face- only problem was that she had absolutely no boobs at all. None, Nada, zilch and only 2 pencil erasers on top of a totally flat chest. Amazing! And made me shake my head - as usual - that i had actually been suckin' on them tiny protuberances! Errrr... she did get quite excited when I was doin' it, so......

But hell - it's like I was sucking on a guy's titties and scared me shit-less in case I'd be wakin' up any latent homosexual tendencies!!
SEAJ

Amazing! Yes, I have to go to meet her.

There is no hell, only fun. Even if one has any latent homosexual tendencies, who cares. And a totally flat chest on a woman can awake or strengthen your clearly hegenomic preference - wonderful women in Asia.

Thanks for this hint!

Whomer

SE Asia Joe

11-05-09, 14:38

Just a little frivolity on my part. Don't make a difference to me as I don't fit into that demographic.

But is a girl's working parts being damaged by a guy having a pecker larger than what they are used to makes the owner of said pecker a bad apple or did they do something additional to that.

KTV market is like any other, if they don't want your business yoiu can go elsewhere.
Hmmmm.... I guess you DON'T go much to CP like you said.

The Jun Hui, which was the ex-Swan Lake is actually a BBS which doubles up as a KTV at night - but it is actually better known as being the BBS with the most and best selection of gals (versus their popularity as a KTV). This is especially true now as they've been messing around with their KTV pricing of late - which has turned a lot of their previous KTV clientele off.

They are also usually the fore runner of trends in CP's BBS land - them being the first one to set a 200/500 ST/LT rate a few years back, and now trying to set a 200/600 one. Let's see if this sticks or not.

Anyway, as I understand it, the thing that had the mommies and gals most up in arms at, has been AT LEAST a couple occasions when White guys went up all loud, groping, molesting the gals and making a general nuisance of themselves - to the point that not only did the gals/mommies get upset, but that some of their regular clients, who happened to have also been there, to also get all upset.

I of course was not there when it happened and all this was just third party say-so to me - but I can imagine that there must have been things these guys did that Was quite offensive to have made them get so pissed off.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-05-09, 15:11

Amazing! Yes, I have to go to meet her.

There is no hell, only fun. Even if one has any latent homosexual tendencies, who cares. And a totally flat chest on a woman can awake or strengthen your clearly hegenomic preference - wonderful women in Asia.

Thanks for this hint!

Whomer
Thanks for posting your comments here instead of on the Photo gallery thread.

Regards

SEAJ

Bob Builder

11-05-09, 15:39

Hmmmm.... I guess you DON'T go much to CP like you said.

The Jun Hui, which was the ex-Swan Lake is actually a BBS which doubles up as a KTV at night - but it is actually better known as being the BBS with the most and best selection of gals (versus their popularity as a KTV). This is especially true now as they've been messing around with their KTV pricing of late - which has turned a lot of their previous KTV clientele off.

They are also usually the fore runner of trends in CP's BBS land - them being the first one to set a 200/500 ST/LT rate a few years back, and now trying to set a 200/600 one. Let's see if this sticks or not.

Anyway, as I understand it, the thing that had the mommies and gals most up in arms at, has been AT LEAST a couple occasions when White guys went up all loud, groping, molesting the gals and making a general nuisance of themselves - to the point that not only did the gals/mommies get upset, but that some of their regular clients, who happened to have also been there, to also get all upset.

I of course was not there when it happened and all this was just third party say-so to me - but I can imagine that there must have been things these guys did that Was quite offensive to have made them get so pissed off.

SEAJ

I hardly go to CP at all these days and the last trip I planned was to take a load of foreign businessmen there just so they could see the numbers and someone was picking up the tab for 3 day trip.

I probably do KTV once a month at most and don't need to go to CP for my fix. I have a crew who go to CP once in a while for a change of scenery and these places are all the same to me.

OldAsiaHand

11-05-09, 17:34

was invited for a couple drinks at the jun hui by one of the mommies who was celebrating her birthday.

anyway, we got to talking and she asks me to sort of "spread the word to my western friends" to please be better behaved when going there. reason being that i do show up with quite a few "western guys and that she consider me a friend (yeah - right!! and i was born yesterday!!)), and thus the natural person to relay her request.

yes, she admits, the mommies at the jun hui (and at most other places she speculates) tend to/ can go way over the top selling their gals and probably had even been more than annoying, and it's probably unrealistic for guys to reciprocate with understanding - but still she asks me to try my best.

i know that i'm probably gonna get slammed for this posting - but i do need to relay to you foreigners here what all is going on and hopefully steer you away from any trouble or even annoyance.

ok, what's been happening is as follows:

- a couple or so gals had been - or claimed to have been - injured whilst servicing large foreigners. whether true or not that its caused by large guys - nonetheless, it's put some of the gals out of action and not earning $$ for themselves or their mommies (they could also be using this excuse to take off time from work without paying the no-show fee to the mommy)

- this injury thing could be self fulfilling as a gal would probably go into it with a big guy all scared.... and will not be able to get excited/wet. dry pussy, big guy all excited = fucking raw = injury. especially if the guy is hopped up with chemcial assist which will make them harder and last longer - something the gals suspects most laowais do when they're out mongering

- they've heard grumbles from some of their "regular clients" that their gals must be so desperate to have to resort to servicing foreigners - and have had specific requests to never push a gal who'd done a foreigner previously.

- there had of late been too many foreigners coming to the jun hui acting all bsd, all idiotically, all acting as if everybody at the bbs should beg on their knees to be graced by their us$, pound, euro or whatever.... but then refuse to pay any "laowai" surcharge! like what was the norm even a few years back. (hmmmmm.... wonder how all the foreigners know what the actual rates are??? hmmmm.... could it be our little board here??? hmmmm...!!)

- that if these laowais ain't gonna be paying any extra $$ - why should they even allow them to come when it's actually adversely affecting their business.

please don't shoot the messenger (moi!!!) i'm just relaying to you guys what i had been asked to relay - with even an implied threat that if they get any more problems with loawais, that they indeed will ban them from coming. so guys, please don't screw it all up for the rest of the guys who may be coming to cp after you've left.

seaj

seaj,

i won't mention any names but the last time i was there one of the mommies did get pissed off with one foreigner i brought along with me for "over-groping" her merchandise. that said, he did take 2 girls out with him in the end.

on the other hand, the mommies aggressively market their merchandise urging the punters to grope. at what point is it too much groping?

even still, i do know one esteemed contributor to this forum of overseas chinese descent that does just as much, if not more, groping than the foreigner mentioned above albeit has never been called on it.

i reckon there is a lot of psychology in play when it comes to the girls perspective of foreigners. too many rumours and x-rated movies of huge dicks doing the girls for hours. i will not elaborate too much on the "tong" issue which i believe can often be a ploy on the girl's part to speed up the process. however, i also believe that it can be real pain sometimes. i also believe that certain foreigners don't give a shit and hammer the girls without any mercy. i would not be surprised if this applies to asian punters, as well. all of this creates a stigma.

even as well known as i am in cp, i get my fair share of rejection. that said, the vast majority of the girls are willing with me since i have a reputation of being relatively gentle and not doing any damage. i did have one case a few years back when a girl claimed that i "broke her" and she started bleeding. i am not sure if it was true or not, but i negotiated a settlement of 100 rmb surcharge after the fact.

it is also true that many asian mongers do not like to do girls that have been with foreigners. this especially applies to local mongers in towns with less foreign business.

just my pov.

oah

Bob Builder

11-05-09, 19:00

seaj,

i won't mention any names but the last time i was there one of the mommies did get pissed off with one foreigner i brought along with me for "over-groping" her merchandise. that said, he did take 2 girls out with him in the end.

on the other hand, the mommies aggressively market their merchandise urging the punters to grope. at what point is it too much groping?

even still, i do know one esteemed contributor to this forum of overseas chinese descent that does just as much, if not more, groping than the foreigner mentioned above albeit has never been called on it.

i reckon there is a lot of psychology in play when it comes to the girls perspective of foreigners. too many rumours and x-rated movies of huge dicks doing the girls for hours. i will not elaborate too much on the "tong" issue which i believe can often be a ploy on the girl's part to speed up the process. however, i also believe that it can be real pain sometimes. i also believe that certain foreigners don't give a shit and hammer the girls without any mercy. i would not be surprised if this applies to asian punters, as well. all of this creates a stigma.

even as well known as i am in cp, i get my fair share of rejection. that said, the vast majority of the girls are willing with me since i have a reputation of being relatively gentle and not doing any damage. i did have one case a few years back when a girl claimed that i "broke her" and she started bleeding. i am not sure if it was true or not, but i negotiated a settlement of 100 rmb surcharge after the fact.

it is also true that many asian mongers do not like to do girls that have been with foreigners. this especially applies to local mongers in towns with less foreign business.

just my pov.

oah

i have actually done a gal whose pussy split and had a crack about an inch long. nothing a few stiches couldn't have fixed. of course being in china she would have automaticall been charged for an iv they stick in your arm whenever you go for medical trreatment no matter what you are sick with.

SE Asia Joe

11-06-09, 16:42

. I did have one case a few years back when a girl claimed that I "broke her" and she started bleeding. I am not sure if it was true or not, but I negotiated a settlement of 100 RMB surcharge after the fact.
OAH

I have actually done a gal whose pussy split and had a crack about an inch long. Nothing a few stiches couldn't have fixed. Of course being in China she would have automaticall been charged for an IV they stick in your arm whenever you go for medical trreatment no matter what you are sick with.
I don't know guys..... I know that there would be no way that the old bleeding heart that I am, could I ever have taken the same glib attitude as you guys took.

After all, you've actually "broke" the only $$ producing asset that she has - her nookie. And at best, she'd need at least a day or two "rest" i.e. not being able to earn.

Fact is, a couple times the past few months I've had the misfortune of somehow having "broken" a gal - and I not only made sure that I took them to the doctor myself and of course paid for it, but also gave her enough money to tide her over for a couple days of no work. You may say I am a sucker - and I'd be the first one to admit it when dealing with these SYT's, but to me, how much money is it after all.

But then again, after a couple days, one of the gals then came back with this cock and bull story about needing a major surgery to fix her injury..... and that was when I told her to go take a flying....!

Moral of the story.... at least for myself - be considerate but don't be an idiot!!

SEAJ

Girlover

11-06-09, 17:08

"Yhe best evening in CP, and one I would do again and again, was spent with Big Swingin Dave, Ticktock, Racetrack, and a couple non posting guys. And about a dozen cute girls. We were at the naked KTV: and thankfully in the hands of BS Dave. The selection was not quite as good as Manhattan, Euroasia, or a few others, but there were still about 100 to choose from, and the majority had the "will strip tags". I took 3 (not to go home with, but to party with), and enjoyed each very much. Dave, bless him, had great games to play. The first was "first to strip". Great fun. I only wish I had paid better attention. I ended up with the last one to strip, and will never do that again. Cold fish. The winner was probably totally hot and fun. Next time, I'll choose one of the first. My favorite of Dave's games was when the guys were "forced", blindfolded, to feel the breasts of each girl and decide if she was one of his "wives" or not. I did manage to pick all mine, but messed up by picking one more who wasn't "mine".

So Much Fun. Thank you BS Dave, and the great guys I partied with.

SE Asia Joe

11-06-09, 18:15

Sound7

11-07-09, 22:55

Being ignorant of the Chinese language or culture or not having the ability to confront would result in Laowai surcharges. With the current economic downturn and business expense account under close reveiw more individual will refuse to pay "Laowai surcharges."

What?

Please don't shoot the messenger (MOI! ) I'm just relaying to you guys what I had been asked to relay. With even an implied threat that if they get any more problems with Loawais, that they indeed will ban them from coming. So guys, please don't screw it all up for the rest of the guys who may be coming to CP after you've left.

IMHO

S7

- There had of late been too many foreigners coming to the Jun Hui acting all BSD, all idiotically, all acting as if everybody at the BBs should beg on their knees to be graced by their US$, pound, Euro or whatever.... but then refuse to pay any "Laowai" surcharge! Like what was the norm even a few years back. (hmmmmm.... wonder how all the foreigners know what the actual rates are??? Hmmmm.... could it be our little board here??? hmmmm...!!)

- That if these laowais ain't gonna be paying any extra $$ - why should they even allow them to come when it's actually adversely affecting their business.

Please don't shoot the messenger (MOI!!!) I'm just relaying to you guys what I had been asked to relay - with even an implied threat that if they get any more problems with Loawais, that they indeed will ban them from coming. So guys, please don't screw it all up for the rest of the guys who may be coming to CP after you've left.

SEAJ

Big Swingin Dave

11-08-09, 04:20

Big Swingin Dave

11-08-09, 04:44

Whenever you are at a place long enough, something bad will eventually happen to you. Well, in this case, it didn't happen to me but to my girlfriend. I got a frantic phone call about 9:30pm when I was partying with Manfest and Racetrack at the Virgin KTV. When I arrive at the scene, my GF was inside a police car with injuries to her left wrist and right knee. She told me that she has just been mugged while picking up laundry next to the Swan Lake Shopping Center. She was attacked from behind as the mugger grabbed her purse, she struggled with the guy and fell on ground. The security guards heard her yelling and ran to see what the commotion was about and saw the mugger running toward the back of the shopping center and radio to the security guards working in the back. To make a long story short, the security gurards were able to catch the guy and called the police. After spending two hours giving her statement inside the police station, I took her to the hospital where her wounds were cleaned and bandaged up.

Changping, like anywhere else where there are a lot of tourist, people in general, even local mainland Chinese are a target. I am seeing more and more security guards at hotels, shopping centers, and KTVs around town. The most important thing in reading this post is that to be alert as not just the girls are a target but with even us guys are a target as well. So, try not to walk by yourself and avoid any confrontations if possible.

Remember in China, the most important thing is to play it SAFE!

BSD

OldAsiaHand

11-08-09, 05:58

SEAJ,

After 30+ years in this hobby, I take everything a WG tells me with a grain of salt. I did not conduct an examination post deed. She showed me some blood on a tissue after she came out of the bathroom. It could have been the start of her period for all I know. It could have been blood from another part of her body. It might not have been blood at all.

She asked for 500 RMB to see a doctor. A local doctor probably charges 20-30 RMB. We agreed on 100 RMB. I did not accompany her so I am not sure she even went to the doctor.

I applaud you for your compassion but, IMHO, I think you take it too far. Yes, they are human beings and I treat them with respect in that regard. However, first and foremost, they are WGs out to take your money. Whether they take it every time in exchange for services or as "help" for other purposes or even "in kind" e.g. shopping or telephones it doesn't matter. Try cutting the financial aid off completely and see if they come calling afterwards.

Just my POV.

OAH

I don't know guys..... I know that there would be no way that the old bleeding heart that I am, could I ever have taken the same glib attitude as you guys took.

After all, you've actually "broke" the only $$ producing asset that she has - her nookie. And at best, she'd need at least a day or two "rest" i.e. not being able to earn.

Fact is, a couple times the past few months I've had the misfortune of somehow having "broken" a gal - and I not only made sure that I took them to the doctor myself and of course paid for it, but also gave her enough money to tide her over for a couple days of no work. You may say I am a sucker - and I'd be the first one to admit it when dealing with these SYT's, but to me, how much money is it after all.

But then again, after a couple days, one of the gals then came back with this cock and bull story about needing a major surgery to fix her injury..... and that was when I told her to go take a flying....!

Moral of the story.... at least for myself - be considerate but don't be an idiot!!

SEAJ

BruceTea

11-08-09, 06:18

After 30+ years in this hobby, I take everything a WG tells me with a grain of salt. I did not conduct an examination post deed. She showed me some blood on a tissue after she came out of the bathroom. It could have been the start of her period for all I know. It could have been blood from another part of her body. It might not have been blood at all.

This reminds me of a situation when after a deed, the condom had a bit of blood on it. Wondering what's up, she told me her period just ended two weeks ago, so it can't be that. I'm 99% sure it wasn't my member that did it, so she started inspecting my nails since I did finger her for awhile.

My fingernails were clean and while it could've been my fingernails scratching her surface, it was in my opinion unlikely. But there was blood and I was glad I didn't lick down south. But I guess it's a mystery and she didn't press the matter, so shower, got money, left.

Bob Builder

11-08-09, 07:58

SEAJ,

After 30+ years in this hobby, I take everything a WG tells me with a grain of salt. I did not conduct an examination post deed. She showed me some blood on a tissue after she came out of the bathroom. It could have been the start of her period for all I know. It could have been blood from another part of her body. It might not have been blood at all.

She asked for 500 RMB to see a doctor. A local doctor probably charges 20-30 RMB. We agreed on 100 RMB. I did not accompany her so I am not sure she even went to the doctor.

I applaud you for your compassion but, IMHO, I think you take it too far. Yes, they are human beings and I treat them with respect in that regard. However, first and foremost, they are WGs out to take your money. Whether they take it every time in exchange for services or as "help" for other purposes or even "in kind" e.g. shopping or telephones it doesn't matter. Try cutting the financial aid off completely and see if they come calling afterwards.

Just my POV.

OAH

A gal I know of from Shenzhen went to work in a HK brothel and her pussy broke after the 12th customer on her 1st day. So is the guy who is unlucky to be No. 12 to blame or the 11 in front of him.

Unless you shoved foreign up there or you happen to be hung like a horse, I would consider it a hazard of her profession.

Since most Chinese consider it unlucky to feck someone menstrating, any sign of blood would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a Chinese monger off and they wouldn't pull that kind of shit.

ManonsanBoy

11-08-09, 13:50

All saunas are closed. Guess it is the annual round of wage negotiations.

MpfsLover

11-08-09, 16:28

I was in CP with OAH and Bernie (a friend) two days ago. We met up with BSD and Manfest later on for some chicken run. BSD booked our hotels and took us around to the various bbs. I took a gal from one of the first bbs and we continued to go to other bbs to look at other girls. OAH needs to find his favorite gal. BSD walked with us to all the bbs and went back to the hotel with us.

BSD accompanied us to dinner and later on took us to a new sauna place for a tour. We didn't find any girls and he took us to the night market. It was late Friday night and there was a raid earlier, so most of the girls were inside the shop. We didn't see any we liked and BSD called his mommies and took us to two other bbs that were about to close. I took a gal from the bbs.

Next day, he came to have breakfast with us and showed us a new footie / sauna place. He arranged the hotel for a late check out for us. OAH and I did the massage at this new footie place.

In summary, Big Swingin Dave took care of us from the time we met up with him at the hotel all the way to the end of our stay when we got on that taxi for the train station. This type of generous service is above and beyond anyone could ask for. Most of us didn't ask for all this, especially OAH, Bernie and I spoke the language and know some of these places. He is truly a gracious host (he is a resident of CP now) and willing to help others coming to CP to have a great time.

I would no doubt call on him again whenever I go back to CP again. I would recommend my friends to him, if they come to CP from overseas.

SEA J - Sorry, we missed you. We can only stay for one night and we heard you were coming up the next day.. Will have to catch you next time.

BSD - Hope your gal recovers quickly from her mugging experience. It is terrible to have that happen to her.

mpfslover

AsnDragon

11-08-09, 23:20

Really? I lived there for a while a few years back, and I've NEVER heard of a crackdown on Saunas there. That's insane. Considering that most of the Hotel Saunas and KTVs in Tangxia are NOT doing that well these days already, this crackdown is really going to hurt the local mongering sector. Is it all the saunas? or some of the higher end ones and better connected ones like:

- Sunshine Hotel
- Sangem Hotel
- New Century
- Golden Lake

More insulated from all of these crackdowns? It's not even Chinese New Years yet for crying out loud!

AsnDragon

All saunas are closed. Guess it is the annual round of wage negotiations.

OldAsiaHand

11-09-09, 03:25

Big Swingin Dave

11-10-09, 04:39

Wilde

11-10-09, 05:33

Official newspaper reports in Guangdong last week (11/02) said that the regional government of Dongguang has initiated a 15-day "Hit Hard" campaign to eradicate prostitution and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), in the hopes of pre-empting the central government of making DG a target for such cleansing effort. The head of the local DG communist party committee is in charge of this campaign, probably trying to save his own neck. The report also said that there was a government poll conducted last year amongst the residents of DG and over 90% were satisfied about the law and order of the DG area. Of course, the poll did not ask about the profession of the respondents.

You can google this article if you use keywords like 东莞涉黄涉拐严打.

SE Asia Joe

11-10-09, 07:47

Periodic raids happen all the time at the night market but the raids that occurred Saturday night at the BBS in the Hui Mei and Swan Lake areas were a bit usual, especially it happened on Saturday, the busiest day in Changping. The WG that told us (SEAJ and I) said that the LE came and took all the girls including the mommies to the police station where they were held from 6pm til midnight. They were not allowed to eat or drink. They were only allowed to use the toilets. Their names and home address were registered and at the end of the night fined 50RMB and was released. Not sure what would have happened if any punters were at the establishments during the raids so just be careful out there and call ahead of time if possible before visiting any BBS in the future.

BSD
On top of that, most venues seem to also be taking a low profile. i.e Jun Hui, - no more "big central area (next to the bar) where all the gals used to congregate at - instead, each mommie has her own stable of gals in individual KTV room all the way at the back of the KTV, Flower street at EuroAsia suspended, Advertising boards dimmed/shut off at Manhattan, Jun hui etc.

A sort of eerie feeling abounds in Chang Ping last few nights

SEAJ

Bob Builder

11-10-09, 09:45

Periodic raids happen all the time at the night market but the raids that occurred Saturday night at the BBS in the Hui Mei and Swan Lake areas were a bit usual, especially it happened on Saturday, the busiest day in Changping. The WG that told us (SEAJ and I) said that the LE came and took all the girls including the mommies to the police station where they were held from 6pm til midnight. They were not allowed to eat or drink. They were only allowed to use the toilets. Their names and home address were registered and at the end of the night fined 50RMB and was released. Not sure what would have happened if any punters were at the establishments during the raids so just be careful out there and call ahead of time if possible before visiting any BBS in the future.

BSD

I wonder how many of these gals will be rushing to their real homes to intercept the letters that the nice LE send out to inform your family that they have been busted for prostitution.

Sukhumvitter

11-10-09, 14:52

Hello brothers...

This is a quick message to let you know about another kidnapping and beating. I just got a call from my buddy in CP who was taken by 3 guys after following a woman to "look at some girls".

His experience was similar to one reported on this board a number of months ago (maybe one year ago) about an attack on a overseas Chinese guy visiting CP.

My friend is a Caucasian British in his mid 50s who speaks nearly fluent Mandarin and has traveled all over China as a budget traveler (long distance buses, 100 rmb hotels, etc, etc). So he is not a greenhorn, yet he let his guard down and got bitten.

He is somewhat new to CP (been there a few times and knows the regular places) but not new to mongering in China (he's been in some real backwater towns). He's mongered in Vietnam, Burma, Philippines, etc, etc. So he's got some notches in his belt.

He followed a mama-san (so she claimed) to look at some girls in a "new" area (near the pedestrian shopping market street, two streets or so over from the main street that the Lucky is on). He knows the HuiMei, YaLan, and Night Market areas, but thought this might be another area. It wasn't. He went up to the second floor and when he entered the room he was jumped by 3 guys.

They tied him with tape, shoved towels into his mouth, and beat him up. They took his money and ATM cards and threatened him with physical disfigurement (pants down, lighter held to his dick) if he didn't tell the ATM number. They took his hotel key card and went through his room (Hua Yu Hotel) and demanded his safe's code.

He is nearly fluent in Chinese so he was able to talk them down abit (once they took off the gag after a couple of hours) and tried to humanize himself to them. He felt they were not really out to hurt him (like murder or real disfigurement) and so he was able to talk his way out. He gave them money and his nice phone (he called me via Skype) but was able to keep his passport and cards. After 5 - 6 hours they let him go.

All in all, he came out OK, but he said he's never been so scared in all his life. He admits it was dumb to follow this woman (he knows the rule: never follow touts), but this is the normal way in CP so he let his guard down.

I'll share more details when I get them. He is not a member of this (or any) board, but I'll ask him if he can make a write up. He's going over to the Miraton to decompress with some of my other buddies in the KTV so hopefully there will be more info as the adrenaline dies down.

CP can be a dangerous place. Mongering can be a dangerous "hobby".

Never forget it.

Sound7

11-10-09, 16:09

Thanks for the share.

Morale of the Lesson ?: he knows the rule: never follow touts, but this is the normal way in CP so he let his guard down.

S7

Hello brothers.

This is a quick message to let you know about another kidnapping and beating. I just got a call from my buddy in CP who was taken by 3 guys after following a woman to "look at some girls".

His experience was similar to one reported on this board a number of months ago (maybe one year ago) about an attack on a overseas Chinese guy visiting CP.

My friend is a Caucasian British in his mid 50s who speaks nearly fluent Mandarin and has traveled all over China as a budget traveler (long distance buses, 100 rmb hotels, etc, etc). So he is not a greenhorn, yet he let his guard down and got bitten.

He is somewhat new to CP (been there a few times and knows the regular places) but not new to mongering in China (he's been in some real backwater towns). He's mongered in Vietnam, Burma, Philippines, etc, etc. So he's got some notches in his belt.

He followed a mama-san (so she claimed) to look at some girls in a "new" area (near the pedestrian shopping market street, two streets or so over from the main street that the Lucky is on). He knows the HuiMei, YaLan, and Night Market areas, but thought this might be another area. It wasn't. He went up to the second floor and when he entered the room he was jumped by 3 guys.

They tied him with tape, shoved towels into his mouth, and beat him up. They took his money and ATM cards and threatened him with physical disfigurement (pants down, lighter held to his dick) if he didn't tell the ATM number. They took his hotel key card and went through his room (Hua Yu Hotel) and demanded his safe's code.

He is nearly fluent in Chinese so he was able to talk them down abit (once they took off the gag after a couple of hours) and tried to humanize himself to them. He felt they were not really out to hurt him (like murder or real disfigurement) and so he was able to talk his way out. He gave them money and his nice phone (he called me via Skype) but was able to keep his passport and cards. After 5 - 6 hours they let him go.

All in all, he came out OK, but he said he's never been so scared in all his life. He admits it was dumb to follow this woman (he knows the rule: never follow touts), but this is the normal way in CP so he let his guard down.

I'll share more details when I get them. He is not a member of this (or any) board, but I'll ask him if he can make a write up. He's going over to the Miraton to decompress with some of my other buddies in the KTV so hopefully there will be more info as the adrenaline dies down.

CP can be a dangerous place. Mongering can be a dangerous "hobby".

Never forget it.

AsnDragon

11-10-09, 16:10

Sukhumvitter,

I am glad that your friend was alright. Most of them just want money in the end. If you cooperate and give them what they want, they will treat you better and leave you alone once they drain your bank account.

BUT, this is a reminder, that CP is extremeley dangerous. That's why Big Swinging Dave is a good guide to call up. Regardless if you are a veteran, it's always safer to monger in larger group.

This situation has happened to many people who are on the board or people on the board who have friends who have been caught in similar dangerous kidnappings. This also illustrates how Huimei, Miraton area appear to be very safe, but often times give you a false feeling of safety and you end up falling victim to these types of crimes and violence.

CP is a dangerous town. Never ever let your guard down in China. My word of advice:

1. Never let your guard down.

2. Look around and be vigilant (spot potential situations or problems).

3. Never act arrogant, loud or too out of line with girls or people in general (You never know who they are or who they know).

4. Be low key and don't draw too much attention to yourself (don't wear gold chains or anything flashy that will single you out).

5. Always monger in groups. The bigger the better.

6. Never wander into new territories, ask guides like Big Swining dave or other veterans that are willing to show you the ropes.

7. When things sound too good to be true, they usually are! (See my Chengdu experience report on how i got into a mess with Gangsters).

AsnDragon

Hello brothers...

This is a quick message to let you know about another kidnapping and beating. I just got a call from my buddy in CP who was taken by 3 guys after following a woman to "look at some girls".

His experience was similar to one reported on this board a number of months ago (maybe one year ago) about an attack on a overseas Chinese guy visiting CP.

My friend is a Caucasian British in his mid 50s who speaks nearly fluent Mandarin and has traveled all over China as a budget traveler (long distance buses, 100 rmb hotels, etc, etc). So he is not a greenhorn, yet he let his guard down and got bitten.

He is somewhat new to CP (been there a few times and knows the regular places) but not new to mongering in China (he's been in some real backwater towns). He's mongered in Vietnam, Burma, Philippines, etc, etc. So he's got some notches in his belt.

He followed a mama-san (so she claimed) to look at some girls in a "new" area (near the pedestrian shopping market street, two streets or so over from the main street that the Lucky is on). He knows the HuiMei, YaLan, and Night Market areas, but thought this might be another area. It wasn't. He went up to the second floor and when he entered the room he was jumped by 3 guys.

They tied him with tape, shoved towels into his mouth, and beat him up. They took his money and ATM cards and threatened him with physical disfigurement (pants down, lighter held to his dick) if he didn't tell the ATM number. They took his hotel key card and went through his room (Hua Yu Hotel) and demanded his safe's code.

He is nearly fluent in Chinese so he was able to talk them down abit (once they took off the gag after a couple of hours) and tried to humanize himself to them. He felt they were not really out to hurt him (like murder or real disfigurement) and so he was able to talk his way out. He gave them money and his nice phone (he called me via Skype) but was able to keep his passport and cards. After 5 - 6 hours they let him go.

All in all, he came out OK, but he said he's never been so scared in all his life. He admits it was dumb to follow this woman (he knows the rule: never follow touts), but this is the normal way in CP so he let his guard down.

I'll share more details when I get them. He is not a member of this (or any) board, but I'll ask him if he can make a write up. He's going over to the Miraton to decompress with some of my other buddies in the KTV so hopefully there will be more info as the adrenaline dies down.

CP can be a dangerous place. Mongering can be a dangerous "hobby".

Never forget it.

SE Asia Joe

11-10-09, 18:38

Saw a bunch of English language tutorials in that alley next to the shopping mall which is next to the Red Lion. And also saw a few Western guys hanging around there - I guess ready to offer free english speaking practice to all the li'l SYT's who'd be finishing their classes.

And if that don't work, then I guess you can still go around the corner to Chaperone to get a compensatory relief - A Xindili type facility with better hardware (like in newer facilities) but equally grotesque gals!!

SEAJ

AsnDragon

11-10-09, 22:10

Seajoe,

Wow that really reminds me of Swan Lake back in 06-07 when they would hide in those congested KTV rooms and once you enter their room, it's absolute hell to get out of those rooms as Mommies and girls just block your exit door until they can force you or "politely forcefully convince" you to pick one of their girls. I use to just stand in the doorway to take a peak.

I guess it's not the best of days to be in CP recently as there is a DG-wide crackdown recently. Hopefully this blows over soon and Central government is satisfied. Because if they aren't. Once central government gets their hand on the situation. We can all kiss our paradise goodbye.

Stay safe everyone.

AsnDragon

On top of that, most venues seem to also be taking a low profile. i.e Jun Hui, - no more "big central area (next to the bar) where all the gals used to congregate at - instead, each mommie has her own stable of gals in individual KTV room all the way at the back of the KTV, Flower street at EuroAsia suspended, Advertising boards dimmed/shut off at Manhattan, Jun hui etc.

A sort of eerie feeling abounds in Chang Ping last few nights

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-11-09, 09:18

Yup - wrong again!

Had been privately speculating that the Powers-That-Be in China was taking a leaf out of Hong Kong and Singapore's books on how to handle the "yellow Trade." That they would clean out most parts of China - especially the major cities which has the attention of the International world - and concentrate such activities in a few choice spots such as CP.

I've even noticed that crack-downs was happening all over the place in China these past few months - but hardly any changes at all in CP; And even expansion!! As per all the new hotel/KTV etc opening up. So much so that I was even thinking of investing a bit into CP...

But look at what's happening now!!
Is worse also gonna come about in our favorite li'l town?

Oh well!!

SEAJ

Pig Fat

11-11-09, 12:13

So can those on the ground expand on whats going over there?

Have some places temporarily closed down for a while? Or is it permanent?

Are there less girls to pick from?

Manfest

11-12-09, 01:42

I guess most mongers are only free on weekends thus the influx in CP on the weekends. Hotels are full and BBS girls are in a hurry.

Four of us took girls from BBS around 5PM on Friday afternoon. We all had a rushed experience. One of the guys was asked whether it was ST or LT. He made the mistake of telling the girl ST so she proceeded to hurry things up. My girl was negotiating with me how long she had to blow me and how long I was going to do her. She was dressed and out the door within 5 minutes of completion. The other 2 guys also mentioned that their girls were in a hurry. One was told straight out that it was Friday night and she was losing money by shopping around the other BBS with him.

I suspect that if they cannot get LT, they are trying like hell to do 4 punters between 3:00 PM and midnight in order to earn the same money with the hopes that they will catch a LT punter later.

On the other hand, the girl I took at midnight was a completely different story. She stayed over 2 hours for ST and gave me a really nice GFE. She even hung out for around 20-30 minutes after the deed.

I am usually in CP on weekdays. The competition for talent is much less fierce and the girls seem to be in less of a hurry.

Just my POV.

OAH

OAH and MPFS, great catching up with you, I had a blast.

BSD, thanks for all the arrangements, great hanging out with you.

Racetrack, always a pleasure.

SEAJ, great meeting you and crazy girl!

I did make the mistake of telling her ST with the subsequent rush. She even refused dinner, hahaha. In retrospect, no hard feelings as I understand her motivation. It's a good lesson and realistic expectation: Friday and Saturday are going to be rushed unless you take LT. Also, go very early as it was hard to find any gems at 6 PM.

On the other hand, Saturday, went to the Virgin KTV and took a girl ST, but absolutely no rush. Probably stayed with me until 3 AM. My lack of language made it difficult to make a deep connection, and she kinda got upset when I snapped a picture (had to erase it) - so paid her the ST fee without any complaints!

Cheers

Manfest

11-12-09, 02:04

The Virgin KTV is located on the 2nd floor inside the Virgin hotel two floors below the famous Virgin Sauna. This is a small KTV but has quite a number of good lookers there. The quantities are not there but they make it up on qualities and attitude. Racetrack and Manfest was there last night each picking one to party with. One of selling points at the Virgin is that the girls will take their bra off for the whole evening which pratically means they are topless all night as they wear a see-through top. The first girl Manfest took refused to take her bra off so the mommy allow him to select a second girl without needing to pay the first even though she has sat with him for more than 30 minutes.

The minimum small room charge on the weekends is 688 + DJ 200. As an emergency came up (will write this on a separate post), I had to leave early but SEAJoe came with his hot date and party the rest of the night with them. All the girls there are 2-5-8, no extra surcharge for taking their bra off. Total damage was 839RMB + 200 DJ. With so many big KTVs around town, it is easy to forget little known Virgin but IMHO this is a definite fun place to party at a reasonable price.

BSD

BSD, thanks for the intro to Virgin KTV. I suspect you are being too modest.

When my girl refused to take her bra off, I was willing to let it go. They mentioned that because I was with you, they switched the girl at no charge. There is no way that would have happened without a sitting fee had this outing not been arranged by BSD. When we took off that evening, they actually said they were calling you as a courtesy to make sure there was nothing else we needed.

That is what only the true VIP/regulars get.

SE Asia Joe

11-12-09, 10:54

So can those on the ground expand on whats going over there?

Have some places temporarily closed down for a while? Or is it permanent?

Are there less girls to pick from?
I am quite sure that nobody can actually really predict what's gonna happen.

Right now, it seems that the local Powers-that-be are trying to give a good show with "cleaning-up" the places - i.e. visits to particular venues to tell them to shut down for a night, or make sure that the gals are NOT in uniform/are in street clothes, suspend Flower street, dim down their advertising hoardings, going to another place on another night to impose some more restrictions, hauling off a group of gals from one BBS or another for a few hour detention, fine and then letting go, saunas adapting a cat and mouse strategy to preserve their clientelle etc etc etc.

Problem is that they KNOW that they cannot permanently cripple these venues/operators - for then - how the hell are they themselves gonna eat??
And with this comes a bigger problem IMHO, as then the guys from up North may NOT be satisfied and may send in their own "cleaning crew" - and that's gonna be hell!!

I've been chit chatting with a few gals who've been phoning me up (its not only I who phone regulars, but when pickin's are slow, THEY phone ME up!!) and they themselves don't know what's actually happening or gonna happen - just that they ain't been able to "operate as usual" and its crimping their takins'

I've NOT heard of any mongers getting into trouble themselves - at least not YET!! - but who the hell knows??!!

Anybody else can chip in with the latest "news?"

SEAJ

Wadman

11-12-09, 11:15

Went to a sauna near CP yesterday, and it's pretty much along with what has been reported. I thought this place was crackdown-proof, but maybe not 100% so. This place was business as usual during October 1 period. Manager claims many saunas in the neighbourhood had to shut down.

But yesterday it was:
- use main hotel entrance instead of sauna entrance (which means you had to go around and around, giving you time to scram in case of a visit by vice squad)
- manager and girls were dressed in streetclothes (man! girls look so much better in sauna uniforms). This way everybody can run onto the street and pretend to be innocent.
- use regular hotel room, not sauna rooms
- no (semi) naked lineups to choose from :-(

I am quite sure that nobody can actually really predict what's gonna happen.

Right now, it seems that the local Powers-that-be are trying to give a good show with "cleaning-up" the places - i.e. visits to particular venues to tell them to shut down for a night, or make sure that the gals are NOT in uniform/are in street clothes, suspend Flower street, dim down their advertising hoardings, going to another place on another night to impose some more restrictions, hauling off a group of gals from one BBS or another for a few hour detention, fine and then letting go, saunas adapting a cat and mouse strategy to preserve their clientelle etc etc etc.

Problem is that they KNOW that they cannot permanently cripple these venues/operators - for then - how the hell are they themselves gonna eat??
And with this comes a bigger problem IMHO, as then the guys from up North may NOT be satisfied and may send in their own "cleaning crew" - and that's gonna be hell!!

I've been chit chatting with a few gals who've been phoning me up (its not only I who phone regulars, but when pickin's are slow, THEY phone ME up!!) and they themselves don't know what's actually happening or gonna happen - just that they ain't been able to "operate as usual" and its crimping their takins'

I've NOT heard of any mongers getting into trouble themselves - at least not YET!! - but who the hell knows??!!

Anybody else can chip in with the latest "news?"

SEAJ

Wadman

11-12-09, 11:48

This also illustrates how Huimei, Miraton area appear to be very safe, but often times give you a false feeling of safety and you end up falling victim to these types of crimes and violence.

AsnDragon, you seem like a pretty nice guy, so I don't want to beat this issue to death, but Sukhumvitter says:

He followed a mama-san (so she claimed) to look at some girls in a "new" area (near the pedestrian shopping market street, two streets or so over from the main street that the Lucky is on).

Lucky and HuiMei hotels are pretty close. However, he says it's "two streets or so over from the main street where the Lucky is on". "2 streets or so over" is not very close to HuiMei/Miraton area anymore by CP standards.

In fact, I have talked to Sukhumvitter on the phone, and the area is near the pedestrian outdoor shops (where there is a McDonald's, KFC, and Boton restaurant). It's neither the HuiMei/Miraton nor Swanlake area. Just to set the record straight, so we don't all get a skewed view of things.

And no, I did not call up Sukhumvitter just for this. We talked on an unrelated issue, and then he mentioned his friend was kidnapped. This was about 3 hours BEFORE he posted his story on ISG.

7. When things sound too good to be true, they usually are! (See my Chengdu experience report on how i got into a mess with Gangsters).

Have to agree with you 100% here. ChengDu is full of thugs! Pretty much what you described happened. Negotiated down to 700 rmb.

Playboy2000

11-12-09, 11:51

I want to thank Dave for once again being around in CP. I am now a Clipper convert - rooms are nicer than HH, cheaper, and more quiet. Dave, Thanks for booking the hotel.

Thanks also for organizing that fantastic evening at the naked KTV. A group of 5 of us got there early on a Monday night and picked the best-looking girls in the lineup. Dave orchestrated a perfect evening.

Also thanks for taking us to Virgin. I have always enjoyed that place. It was great to hang out with my old buddy Manfest, and my girl was a real winner. I kept her two nights.

SE Asia Joe

11-12-09, 12:01

asndragon, you seem like a pretty nice guy, so i don't want to beat this issue to death, but sukhumvitter says:
lucky and huimei hotels are pretty close. however, he says it's "two streets or so over from the main street where the lucky is on". "2 streets or so over" is not very close to huimei/miraton area anymore by cp standards.

in fact, i have talked to sukhumvitter on the phone, and the area is near the pedestrian outdoor shops (where there is a mcdonald's, kfc, and boton restaurant). it's neither the huimei/miraton nor swanlake area. just to set the record straight, so we don't all get a skewed view of things..
know what??? i really do think that the whole of cp is definitely not very safe at all - and especially these days with all these crack-downs and reduced takings for one and all.

crime can and do happen all over cp and the damn thing about it all is that it seems to have been so "accepted" that nothing seems to be such a big deal anymore. anarchy??? and therein lies the big danger and problem - for when things gets too bad - strike hard campaign gets all the more hard.

so guys, please be extra careful out there and keep your head down but eyes peeled everywhere you go

imho

seaj .

SE Asia Joe

11-12-09, 12:35

i've just got off the phone with one of my contacts who told me another version of what all is happening in cp and dongguan in general.

my contact - who is quite high up there in the food chain - tells me that the reason why cp/dongguan had been so "liberal" in the past is that it is by direct order from beijing to allow these kind of things to happen - specifically to make the taiwanese and hong kong investors/factory owners to feel right at home.

according to my source, beijing - going back to when china started opening up - knew that to attract investments, they must also make things "good" for the investors and to accept the otherwise generally third world living conditions. and that such "wishes" from beijing transcends any and all local/provincial level authority.

well, direct flights to taiwan is now a reality, high speed trains to hong kong makes going home a snap, and the "entertainment venues" in dgg had basically gone overboard with their offerings and thus beijing is having second thoughts on allowing such activities to still proliferate.

there is also the matter of the newish governor of guangdong who had been transferred from chongqing - where the big crackdown has been going on for the past year. and that such crackdown had brought down quite a few of the officials who had been the gd governor's point men. you know what that means!!

anyway, just relaying to you what was told to me.

seaj

Web Connect

11-12-09, 14:05

I will have the opportunity to visit Chang Ping in Dongguan coming from Guangzhou.

I will send Big Swinging Dave a PM to see if he has any groups I can join with that weekend to see if he can help show a newbie to the area around.After researching the monger scene in Guangzhou, here are my notes.

Hotels:
Clipper
Swan Lake
Miraton
Hui hua
King Long
Li Hao

KTVs:

Virgin KTV is located on the 2nd floor inside the Virgin hotel two floors below the famous Virgin Sauna. No flower show. 2-5-8 Some girls will strip to panties for an extra 100, in which case the price becomes 3-6-9.

Miraton: 2-5-8

Mayflower: flower show at 6:00-6:30. 2-5-8

FuHao (a.k.a. Plutocrat Hotel) is not located in the Miraton or Swan Lake Area. It is located across the sewage river away from the Lion Hotel. The easiest way to get there is just hop on a taxi and tell them to take you to Fu Hao KTV which is behind the Fu Hao Jiu Dian. 20 new VIP/member rooms. They have a flower show starting at 6:30 on weekends (Friday & Saturday) and 6:45pm on weeknights. The have anywhere from 200 - 300 girls. The girls are divided in 3 categories: White/Light Blue tag girls will strip in the room and is available for after KTV activities; Dark Blue tag girls will not strip in the room but is available for after KTV activities; and the Red tag girls will not strip and is not available for after KTV activities. Pricing is 2-5-8 except for the White/Light Blue girls stripping for about 15-30 minutes for an additional 100RMB. 2-5-8 (+1)

California Red 2-5-8

Euro Asia - 2-5-8 for the white dressed gals all covered up, 3-6-9 for the white dressed but bare mid-rift ones as well as the purple dressed ones, models are 5-10-15, girls in red dresses are 5-15-20

JiaYi flower show. 2-5-8

Hui Hua ?-?-?

Manhattan:flower show. It has been reported that girls now remove their underwear for the evening after they have been selected? Also, they now have little games at around 9:30. 2-5-8

Penninsula: 2-5-8

Swan Lake: 2-5-8. Girls double as KTV and BBS girls.

HuiMei - alot of new talent. 2-5-8

Crown Prince... expensive place with 2-5-8 and 3-6-9 expect min 500/head with 3+ people. more if less than 3. also it is a 10 minute cab ride (20-30 rmb)

Galaxy KTV ( Walter Hotel),

Sheraton Dongguan
3-8-12

Most of the KTV's the girls are 2-5-8 = 200 (sit with),500 (short time),800 (long time),usually also be the Model or A class gals which will have higher charges. could be 3-6-9 or 3-8-10, 5-15-20 =500 (sit with), 1500 (Short time) and 2,000 (Long time).

BBS
Jun Hui- "Official show up to work period" for the gals at the Jun hui is 3:30 to 5:00 pm ST ??? LT ???
HuiMei - ST 150 LT 400
YaLan, - ST 200 LT 500
Night Market - ST 130 LT 350-400
Swan Lake - ST 200 LT 500

Saunas:
Miraton’s Sauna

Massage:
Fu Hao

Proxy Sites:
http://www.zend2.com
http://www.bypassproxy.us
http://www.heavymist.com/

Trains from GZ - CP:
East Train station Every 15 mins, Last train at 10:45pm.

I am not really NOT into KTV's but more into Saunas and BBS, so if you know of any places I must visit please let me know. But it seems with all my reading on the forum it looks like CP is all about KTVs.

Are there any freelancer bars or SW areas ?

In addition to the monger scene does anyone recommend a good restaurant for some amazing food ? Is there any great shopping that would be unique only in Chang Ping ? Are there any tourist or places of interest ?

What about candid photography ? Are there any good locations to shoot upskirts or down blouses ? What about candid photography in general ? Are there any laws or restrictions on what I can and cannot shoot ? Are there any great locations to shoot street photography of just amazing woman walking to and from work or school ?

If anyone knows of a GFE who they would like to recommend please let me know. I am a gentleman.

Are there any maps online I can download with all the places.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read my post and if you are able to answer any of my questions.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

Fast Eddie 48

11-12-09, 17:34

i've just got off the phone with one of my contacts who told me another version of what all is happening in cp and dongguan in general.

my contact - who is quite high up there in the food chain - tells me that the reason why cp/dongguan had been so "liberal" in the past is that it is by direct order from beijing to allow these kind of things to happen - specifically to make the taiwanese and hong kong investors/factory owners to feel right at home.

according to my source, beijing - going back to when china started opening up - knew that to attract investments, they must also make things "good" for the investors and to accept the otherwise generally third world living conditions. and that such "wishes" from beijing transcends any and all local/provincial level authority.

well, direct flights to taiwan is now a reality, high speed trains to hong kong makes going home a snap, and the "entertainment venues" in dgg had basically gone overboard with their offerings and thus beijing is having second thoughts on allowing such activities to still proliferate.

there is also the matter of the newish governor of guangdong who had been transferred from chengdu - where the big crackdown has been going on for the past year. and that such crackdown had brought down quite a few of the officials who had been the gd governor's point men. you know what that means!!

anyway, just relaying to you what was told to me.

seajseaj,

there are many options in asia thailand, pi and indoneasia many actions there,yes china are changing fast that why i head to bangkok first but my last trip to china shenzhen,zhu hai and hanian i can still get actions easy but i think mongering will likey get worst in china.

fast eddie 48

AsnDragon

11-12-09, 21:09

Wadman,

Alright, to be specific about my post so we don't get into gray territories here. I only singled out huimei area because my good friend got kidnapped there and duct taped and robbed there. But it is NOT to say that Hui Mei hotel, Miraton Hotl, Hui Hua Hotel or any of those places are outrageously dangerous, I'm just asking people to keep their eyes open and be vigilant.

One place I must point out is the BBS behind Hui Mei area, in which I find to be a bit too dangerous for my personal taste. That crazy papasan who's wife is a big time gangster lady. That crazy Fujian mommy who locked me and my friend in for like 30 mins and yelled at us on the top of their lungs when we refused to pick a girl from her room due to her poor service. These places are dangerous in my personal opinion. My advice is, get to know a real Mommy and have them bring the girls to your room if you live around the area in Huimei, Hui Hua or Miraton etc. This will limit your chances of being robbed or being in a difficult situation. Again, I am NOT advocating to stay away from living in the Huimei, Huihua Miraton area, just practice risk management when you can, that's all. I just want people to be safe that's all.

I'm sure crime is rampant in all areas of CP and I'm not singling out one area over another. Just be careful, that's all.

Wadman- In chengdu, I had to negotiate my bill and a friend's down to like 2200 or something. Pretty bullshit, but then again it's only money. I'd rather be safe and alive. Which you all must know. If you are being robbed in China, just give the money to them and be calm. Robbers in China are ruthless. They will stab and kill with no remorse because it's so damn hard to catch them with 1.8 billion people around, some aren't even registered as a citizen of China-due to their one child policy. Better to be safe than sorry.

AsnDragon

QUOTE=Wadman]AsnDragon, you seem like a pretty nice guy, so I don't want to beat this issue to death, but Sukhumvitter says:

Lucky and HuiMei hotels are pretty close. However, he says it's "two streets or so over from the main street where the Lucky is on". "2 streets or so over" is not very close to HuiMei/Miraton area anymore by CP standards.

In fact, I have talked to Sukhumvitter on the phone, and the area is near the pedestrian outdoor shops (where there is a McDonald's, KFC, and Boton restaurant). It's neither the HuiMei/Miraton nor Swanlake area. Just to set the record straight, so we don't all get a skewed view of things.

And no, I did not call up Sukhumvitter just for this. We talked on an unrelated issue, and then he mentioned his friend was kidnapped. This was about 3 hours BEFORE he posted his story on ISG.

Have to agree with you 100% here. ChengDu is full of thugs! Pretty much what you described happened. Negotiated down to 700 rmb.[/QUOTE]

AsnDragon

11-12-09, 21:23

Web,

Great Research! But I must add. You listed all the great venues in CP, not in Guangzhou! I think you are going to be in great shape. If anything, call Big Swinging Dave, he'll show you around and take you out for a good time.

I will have the opportunity to visit Chang Ping in Dongguan coming from Guangzhou.

I will send Big Swinging Dave a PM to see if he has any groups I can join with that weekend to see if he can help show a newbie to the area around.

After researching the monger scene in Guangzhou, here are my notes.
AsnDragon

AsnDragon

11-12-09, 21:26

[QUOTE=Web Connect]I will have the opportunity to visit Chang Ping in Dongguan coming from Guangzhou.

Saunas:
Miraton’s Sauna

I would also add Virgin Sauna as a better place to visit as opposed to Miraton Sauna.

* Sheraton KTV is actually in Dongguan, but in another town called Houjie, which is about 1 hour away from CP. They do have good looking girls, but it's quite expensive!

AsnDragon

11-12-09, 21:41

Fast Eddie,

I have been to south east asia a number of times and I must say that there is easier acessibility to getting a WG than in China. However, in my personal opinion, I feel that China has better quality in general. So I'd rather have the quality over quantity any day. Girls in SE Asia could be kinkier and more wild. But personally. I prefer the China look than the SE asia look, perhaps because there's higher chances of finding pinker nipples amongst Chinese than in SE Asia? And I like. Pink nipples.

AsnDragon

Seaj,

There are many options in asia Thailand, PI and Indoneasia many actions there,yes China are changing fast that why I head to Bangkok first but my last trip to China Shenzhen,zhu hai and Hanian I can still get actions easy but I think mongering will likey get worst in China.

Fast Eddie 48

AsnDragon

11-12-09, 21:49

so. seajoe, am i wrong again? beijing can change anything they want in a matter of weeks of months. i hope that cp does not get too hammered with these crackdowns.

with wadman telling us about how saunas in big hotels are even being freakishly careful. this is not a good sign at all.

many of my regulars are in hiding now as we speak. girls that work in ktv or bbs they are all taking a break from work and hiding until this thing blows over. according to what they tell me, things are really bad for the girls nowadays. rumors are spreading to not go to work because you'll get arrested and brought to the police station. so many girls are deterred from going to work, not too sure if all the mongering venues are still well stocked with girls or not.

i hope this thing blows over soon! praying it'll blow over soon.

asndragon

i've just got off the phone with one of my contacts who told me another version of what all is happening in cp and dongguan in general.

my contact - who is quite high up there in the food chain - tells me that the reason why cp/dongguan had been so "liberal" in the past is that it is by direct order from beijing to allow these kind of things to happen - specifically to make the taiwanese and hong kong investors/factory owners to feel right at home.

according to my source, beijing - going back to when china started opening up - knew that to attract investments, they must also make things "good" for the investors and to accept the otherwise generally third world living conditions. and that such "wishes" from beijing transcends any and all local/provincial level authority.

well, direct flights to taiwan is now a reality, high speed trains to hong kong makes going home a snap, and the "entertainment venues" in dgg had basically gone overboard with their offerings and thus beijing is having second thoughts on allowing such activities to still proliferate.

there is also the matter of the newish governor of guangdong who had been transferred from chongqing - where the big crackdown has been going on for the past year. and that such crackdown had brought down quite a few of the officials who had been the gd governor's point men. you know what that means!!

anyway, just relaying to you what was told to me.

seaj

Wadman

11-12-09, 22:09

Hotels:
Clipper
Swan Lake
Miraton
Hui hua
King Long
Li Hao

The KingLong is good value for the quality of room you are getting, but location-wise it's a fair bit out of the way. I wouldn't stay there unless everything else is full. After you factor in all the taxi fares from KingLong to pussy/food/foot massage/etc it's not really cheaper anyway.

Saunas:
Miraton’s Sauna

Pretty much every decent size hotel in CP has an in-house sauna. There are saunas inside HuiHua, Miraton, Swanlake, Virgin, HuiMei, New Century, Walter, Peninsula, Versaille, KingLong, etc. The list goes on and on.

I am not really NOT into KTV's but more into Saunas and BBS, so if you know of any places I must visit please let me know. But it seems with all my reading on the forum it looks like CP is all about KTVs.

CP has all 3 (KTV, BBS, sauna) in numbers. Where did you get the impression that CP is mainly a KTV town?

Are there any freelancer bars or SW areas ?

No freelancer bars or SWs. Nightmarket girls are out on the street but it's just BBSs where the girls are outside (unless there is a crackdown going on, like now, in which case they tend to be inside the shops)

In addition to the monger scene does anyone recommend a good restaurant for some amazing food ?

If you want really good seafood, try the restaurants inside HuiHua and Miraton. Be prepared to pay up the nose though, by CP standards.

Is there any great shopping that would be unique only in Chang Ping ?

Well, shopping for a pair of tits on legs....

Are there any tourist or places of interest ?

LOL! Sorry, no

What about candid photography ? Are there any good locations to shoot upskirts or down blouses ? What about candid photography in general ? Are there any laws or restrictions on what I can and cannot shoot ? Are there any great locations to shoot street photography of just amazing woman walking to and from work or school ?

I wouldn't do it for safety reasons. In P4P business in China, nobody likes pictures taken. Saunas have a company policy forbidding pictures, and so do most KTVs. As reported, someone got into a fight with some local guys in CP after snapping pics on the street. Sorry, forgot his handle.

If you must do it, do it discreetly. Take pics of your girl(s) in private, after you cajole her into agreeing to it.

Web Connect

11-13-09, 01:31

The KingLong is good value for the quality of room you are getting, but location-wise it's a fair bit out of the way. I wouldn't stay there unless everything else is full. After you factor in all the taxi fares from KingLong to pussy/food/foot massage/etc it's not really cheaper anyway.I was planning to stay at the Clipper ( I PMed Dave to see if he wants to book it since he may be able to get a few points from it ) I wasn't able to reserve online for some reason. I sent the Clipper and email and still waiting for a reply.

Pretty much every decent size hotel in CP has an in-house sauna. There are saunas inside HuiHua, Miraton, Swanlake, Virgin, HuiMei, New Century, Walter, Peninsula, Versaille, KingLong, etc. The list goes on and on. That is good to know. Thanks

Where did you get the impression that CP is mainly a KTV town? Just from what I read on the forum 10 pages back.It seemed like most of the discussion recently was all about KTVs.

I wouldn't do it for safety reasons. In P4P business in China, nobody likes pictures taken. Saunas have a company policy forbidding pictures, and so do most KTVs. As reported, someone got into a fight with some local guys in CP after snapping pics on the street.

I wasn't plan on taking pictures of WGs. Just general pictures of local every day life.

Web Connect

11-13-09, 01:33

Which Saunas have free WIFI?

I like to bring in my laptop and get a fee things done online. I can also write my reports. lol

SE Asia Joe

11-13-09, 05:08

I will have the opportunity to visit Chang Ping in Dongguan coming from Guangzhou.

.....................Thanks in advance for taking the time to read my post and if you are able to answer any of my questions.

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Great to see that contributions to these pages do get read and used.

I wish that more guys would do the same (RTFF) bwefore anything else.

Thanks Web C!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-13-09, 05:13

I will have the opportunity to visit Chang Ping in Dongguan coming from Guangzhou.

.............
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read my post and if you are able to answer any of my questions.
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Web C - just a general observation - but things changes rapidly in China and especially so in Chang Ping right now with the crack down and the general air of uncertainly prevailing there right now.

I mean I left CP on Tuesday and will be coming back up in a couple hours or so - and I already KNOW to expect that things ain't the same as it was 3 days ago!

So its good that you're gonna connect up with some one on the ground.

Hope you will have a great time around these parts!!

SEAJ

Web Connect

11-13-09, 05:47

Web C. Just a general observation. But things changes rapidly in China and especially so in Chang Ping right now with the crack down and the general air of uncertainly prevailing there right now.

I mean I left CP on Tuesday and will be coming back up in a couple hours or so. And I already KNOW to expect that things ain't the same as it was 3 days ago!

So its good that you're going to connect up with some one on the ground.

Hope you will have a great time around these parts!

SEAJIs this the first crack down in a long time?

If there was other crack downs in the past how bad did it effect the scene?

How is the crack down effecting the scene?

All the girls will then have to be inside the BBS instead of standing outside them? Will they close them down?

Even if they closed down some wouldn't a few remain open where the girls would move to?

I would think the only way to make a crackdown that works is to close down EVERY bbs, sauna and KTV. The girls have to work. So wouldn't they just move from the closed places to the ones that remain open? Maybe a few girls would leave the city to greener pastures, but there would still be a lot of WGs who are more established living in CP.

So far I have only been to Shenzhen in Mainland China and enjoyed it very much.

It would be great to meet up with some locals living in CP if you have the time.

SE Asia Joe

11-13-09, 18:55

It's all changed again!!

ALL the KTV's, saunas and BBS's got shut down last night and most have remained closed tonight - a Friday night - when things should have been hopping. Heard that the Hui Hua, Miraton and New Century KTV's were "Trying" to open up tonight - but it's not a sure thing - plus most likely, it will get shut down at 8 or 8.30, like what happened last night if it did open. (don't know what eventually happened - haven't checked it out)

Luckily I still have a few regulars that I managed to rustle up and also went to the Jun Hui for the BBS before they shut down at 6 and helped one of my buddies to pick a gal. And what a great looking gal she is - I is gonna have to dick her too after my buddy leaves!!

Heard that all this "action" is gonna last at least for another 3 days at a minimum.

It don't look great in CP tonight - dark and quiet and foreboding - so much so that I decided that it was NOT a good idea to keep my gal over night and let her off early. Oh well!!

Let's see what happens tomorrow!!

SEAJ
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ManonsanBoy

11-13-09, 21:55

I heard most of Tangxia is also shut down.

EricTheRed

11-13-09, 22:37

One Eyed Man

11-14-09, 00:02

CP/Dongguan had been so "liberal" in the past is that it is by direct order from Beijing to allow these kind of things to happen .... when China started opening up - knew that to attract investments, they must also make things "good" for the investors and to accept the otherwise generally Third World living conditions. .... and the "entertainment venues" in DGG had basically gone overboard with their offerings and thus Beijing is having second thoughts on allowing such activities to still proliferate.

When I was in CP, on the surface it looked pretty much like any other Chinese city, of course with big neon KTV signs, though you see those in other cities. It seemed like most of the sin in CP is relatively discreet and happens behind closed doors.

What do people think caused the crackdown? Could be that people blabbing about their activities (from which I clearly benefited) on the boards brought its demise?

Fast Eddie 48

11-14-09, 04:43

Fast Eddie,

I have been to south east asia a number of times and I must say that there is easier acessibility to getting a WG than in China. However, in my personal opinion, I feel that China has better quality in general. So I'd rather have the quality over quantity any day. Girls in SE Asia could be kinkier and more wild. But personally. I prefer the China look than the SE asia look, perhaps because there's higher chances of finding pinker nipples amongst Chinese than in SE Asia? And I like. Pink nipples.

AsnDragonAsn dragon,

I think you say in China girl quality is better for the price compare to other country in SEA ,you can get top quality anywhere if you want to paid the top dollar ,it is easier for us are chinese that speak fluent mandarin and know china well and yes I like pink nippes too .

Fast Eddie 48

Fran123

11-14-09, 05:31

Hi all,

I will be arriving on Sunday afternoon from HK.

Is there any action close to the Royal Garden International Hotel? Like a Sauna or BBS?

What would you recommend?

I have never been to a KTV, I read there is a KTV in Royal Garden. But I am more into sexual action than in KTV.

Or is it easily possible to take just a girl from the lineup to the room?

Or is it advicable to take a cab to CP?

I do not speak a single word Mandarin

Thanks a lot for your advice

From what I am reading on the board, nobody knows what is going to happen with the crackdowns. During a previous Chinese News Year, CP was closed for several weeks. This is including KTV, sanuas and BBS. You need to RTFF because nobody knows expect LE.

If you speak at lease Cantonese, you will be fine but it will extremely frustrating sometimes. So, if you don't speak either Cantonese or Mandarin
and if it's your first time to CP alone, you will have to do lots of homework to get around.

I recommend you stay home until everything clears up if it's your first time to CP, READ THE FORUM FIRST.

OldAsiaHand

11-14-09, 06:07

It seems that the crackdowns this year have been tougher and longer than in previous years across all of China. There was talk about the 60th anniversary, Asian Games, etc. but, IMHO, it is more than just that. I am afraid that it is a concentrated effort by central government to put a damper on the industry as a whole and it will not just blow over as it has in the past.

China is not a sex destination as is Thailand and The Phillipines where the industry is tolerated in exchange for foreign currency earnings. Although there has been a slight glitch this year due to the economic crisis, China does not need foreign exchange. It has plenty.

Now even CP, which has always been tolerated in the past, is the target of extended crackdowns. I fear that the entire spectrum of mongering as we know it is in for a major overhaul.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wadman

11-14-09, 06:45

Wadman,
Alright, to be specific about my post so we don't get into gray territories here.

AsnDragon,
I don't see how I am getting into any grey territories. You specifically say:

This also illustrates how Huimei, Miraton area appear to be very safe, but often times give you a false feeling of safety and you end up falling victim to these types of crimes and violenc

Where "this" refers to Sukhumvitter's post about his friend getting kidnapped. Problem is, his post wasn't about the HuiMei/Miraton area at all! It was a different area. So how does it illustrate anything about the HuiMei/Miraton area?

I only singled out huimei area because my good friend got kidnapped there and duct taped and robbed there.

I am not doubting your story about your friend getting kidnapped in the HuiMei area. Just that there is no reason to assume that every other kidnapping also happened there, or to drag that story out that beat down the HuiMei/Miraton area yet again.

Wadman

11-14-09, 06:51

Yup, in the past, every crackdown in CP could be attributed to an event that was tied to a time: Chinese New Year, New major on the job, 60th anniversary, Olympics, etc. This time it seems to be more of a general thing.

It seems that the crackdowns this year have been tougher and longer than in previous years across all of China. There was talk about the 60th anniversary, Asian Games, etc. but, IMHO, it is more than just that. I am afraid that it is a concentrated effort by central government to put a damper on the industry as a whole and it will not just blow over as it has in the past.
...
Now even CP, which has always been tolerated in the past, is the target of extended crackdowns. I fear that the entire spectrum of mongering as we know it is in for a major overhaul.

Just my POV.

OAH

Pig Fat

11-14-09, 07:11

I still believe the whole crackdown is a temporary thing. There have been a couple of big hotels opening there and everyone knows these hotels cannot support themselves without the KTV, sauna, etc trade.

I can't believe that the people that put down millions of RMB to open these places do not have the guanxi to know if the Chinese Govt is going to permanently close down the sex trade in this area. CP would turn into a huge ghost town with these huge white elephants/hotels that will be pretty much deserted if this happened, and I don't think it will.

Wadman

11-14-09, 07:14

I was planning to stay at the Clipper ( I PMed Dave to see if he wants to book it since he may be able to get a few points from it ) I wasn't able to reserve online for some reason. I sent the Clipper and email and still waiting for a reply.

Hmm.... doesn't surprise me at all that online reservation is the shit with Clipper (or any other hotel in CP). You may indeed be better off contacting BSDave on this one.

I wasn't plan on taking pictures of WGs. Just general pictures of local every day life.

Problem is, in CP (the main areas where all the action is), there are so many WGs on the street, pimps for those WGs, and P4P establishments. It's not easy to shoot street life in every general without getting some of the above in your picture. Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads up on it. Shooting pics of a girl's privates in private is fun, fun, fun! But make sure the girl is OK with it first.

Web Connect

11-14-09, 09:59

Hmm. Doesn't surprise me at all that online reservation is the shit with Clipper (or any other hotel in CP). You may indeed be better off contacting BSDave on this one.

Problem is, in CP (the main areas where all the action is), there are so many WGs on the street, pimps for those WGs, and P4P establishments. It's not easy to shoot street life in every general without getting some of the above in your picture. Anyway, just wanted to give you a heads up on it. Shooting pics of a girl's privates in private is fun, fun, fun! But make sure the girl is OK with it first.Does the Clipper get fully booked on weekends?

I like shooting shopping streets, local tourist attractions, I love candid photography because it shows how the people of a city really look.

To be honest I like taking pictures of girls in their clothing. I like Non Nude Girls. I think they look sexier in clothing. Maybe some people think that is wierd. Most girls are more comfortable taking pictures with their clothes on, so it makes for a better photograph.

AsnDragon

11-14-09, 10:16

Wadman,

As to not bring out further conflict, i'll be more clear. All of CP is equally dangerous. Doesn't matter if it's Swan Lake area, Train Station area or HuiHua/Miraton Area, chances of being kidnapped, robbed etc, could be equally high in all areas. I remind everyone to be careful period.

AsnDragon

AsnDragon,
I don't see how I am getting into any grey territories. You specifically say:

Where "this" refers to Sukhumvitter's post about his friend getting kidnapped. Problem is, his post wasn't about the HuiMei/Miraton area at all! It was a different area. So how does it illustrate anything about the HuiMei/Miraton area?

I am not doubting your story about your friend getting kidnapped in the HuiMei area. Just that there is no reason to assume that every other kidnapping also happened there, or to drag that story out that beat down the HuiMei/Miraton area yet again.

AsnDragon

11-14-09, 10:24

Pig Fat,

If this is in fact the central govt. crackdown, then it's something really serious. Guanxi is only good at certain levels of govt. I mean CP is only a town within the city of Dongguan. I'm sure there's so many layers of government that you wouldn't be able to know all the top dogs in Beijing.

What's the most troubling is...when Beijing wants to do something, they just Do it! They want to built the 3 gorge dam, they evacuate millions of people from their homes, just to build it. They make policies and people follow them. Nobody dares to object.

I'm just hoping that this thing is not as serious as it appears. For people like OAH, SEAJoe who's been around in China, does this seem unusually strange as opposed to all the previous years?

AsnDragon

I still believe the whole crackdown is a temporary thing. There have been a couple of big hotels opening there and everyone knows these hotels cannot support themselves without the KTV, sauna, etc trade.

I can't believe that the people that put down millions of RMB to open these places do not have the guanxi to know if the Chinese Govt is going to permanently close down the sex trade in this area. CP would turn into a huge ghost town with these huge white elephants/hotels that will be pretty much deserted if this happened, and I don't think it will.

Web Connect

11-14-09, 10:35

Which Saunas have free WIFI?

I like to bring in my laptop and get a fee things done online.

I can also write my reports.

LOL

SE Asia Joe

11-14-09, 19:01

Which Saunas have free WIFI?

I like to bring in my laptop and get a fee things done online.

I can also write my reports.

LOL
May I perhaps suggest that you may NOT want to do any work whilst at a sauna? I can assure you that you will hardly have any "free" time to do so.

A sauna is where you go to when you will have only a set amount of time when the gal will be servicing you - and the gamut of services on offer will take up your whole time.

On the other hand, if you want to go and get a footsie or a "Veggie" massage - and also do some computer work, I suggest you go the Pozolim, across the street from the Miraton Hotel. They've even got computers there for you to use - except I'm not sure if you would be able to get on ISG - and probably need a proxy. And they serve for free great "Rice bowl" meals between 6 - 10 PM, and of course other free foods at other times.

Also, most hotels have either wired or wireless access - and usually for free - and thus you may want to ask and make sure first before you book a hotel.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-14-09, 19:08

Yup - same as last night - just about everything still closed.

Have not had a chance to check out the Hui Hua/Miraton KTV's etc but for sure the Swan Lake area KTV's, Euro Asia, Jun Hui, the naked KTV etc are completely shut down. Wandered around the Cwan Lake area for a midnight drink - and we ain't never seen this street as deserted as it was tonight. Sad, really sad.

So instead the bunch of us got our favorite gals and went to the Dadi Movie at that Tesco shopping centre down the street from the Hui Hua. RMB 30 for the close to 3 hours of 2012 is a good deal - when there ain't nothing else to do!!

Heard from several sources though that everything should resume - albeit at a slower "pace" - on the 16th. Let's see.

SEAJ

Moody

11-14-09, 21:03

All of CP is equally dangerous. Doesn't matter if it's Swan Lake area, Train Station area or HuiHua/Miraton Area, chances of being kidnapped, robbed etc, could be equally high in all areas. I remind everyone to be careful period.

That doesn't really make much sense does it? That's like saying 5th Avenue is just as dangerous as Harlem or Chinatown. Chances of getting robbed or kidnapped are high only in dark alleys, and by high, probably in the 1/1000 chance and only if you look like a complete sucker. I walk down dark alleys all the time, nothing's happened to me so far. That's not just because I'm lucky. I'm not foolish enough to go following people I don't know. If you stay on well lit main streets, not much gonna happen except maybe some beggars bothering you.

Pointpanic

11-14-09, 21:21

Web Connect

11-14-09, 23:11

May I perhaps suggest that you may NOT want to do any work whilst at a sauna? I can assure you that you will hardly have any "free" time to do so.

A sauna is where you go to when you will have only a set amount of time when the gal will be servicing you - and the gamut of services on offer will take up your whole time.

On the other hand, if you want to go and get a footsie or a "Veggie" massage - and also do some computer work, I suggest you go the Pozolim, across the street from the Miraton Hotel. They've even got computers there for you to use - except I'm not sure if you would be able to get on ISG - and probably need a proxy. And they serve for free great "Rice bowl" meals between 6 - 10 PM, and of course other free foods at other times.

Also, most hotels have either wired or wireless access - and usually for free - and thus you may want to ask and make sure first before you book a hotel.

SEAJAll of the Sauna's I have been to in Macau I have alwasys brought my laptop. I find it a good way to pass the time between sessions. I have stayed in Rio and Sauna18 in Macau for over 24 hours. I don't even need a hotel. I just move from Sauna to Sauna. LOL

Is it possible to stay in the Sauna's in CP for as long as you want ? Maybe we can try to break each others records for the longest time spent in a single Sauna.

So which Sauna's have at least have computers to use ?

One Eyed Man

11-15-09, 01:46

Heard from several sources though that everything should resume - albeit at a slower "pace" - on the 16th. Let's see.

SEAJ

I'm confused and don't see the point of shutting everyone down for a couple of days. Clearly, it's meant to be some kind of lesson/warning, but what can the local businesspeople do? These businesses are people's livelihood. Maybe the message here is to KTV operators to keep out foreign guys who blab about everything on the Internet, although there must also be HK-based blogs. If the national government wanted to shut everyone down permanently, they would have just done it.

Aries3288

11-15-09, 02:34

i'm confused and don't see the point of shutting everyone down for a couple of days. clearly, it's meant to be some kind of lesson/warning, but what can the local businesspeople do? these businesses are people's livelihood. maybe the message here is to ktv operators to keep out foreign guys who blab about everything on the internet, although there must also be hk-based blogs. if the national government wanted to shut everyone down permanently, they would have just done it.

this newspaper report might help explain the current crackdown in china :-

no mistresses for officials
morality push part of communist party's bid to stem corruption

beijing - chinese officials are being told to dump their mistresses, avoid hostess bars, and shun extravagances, as the communist party sent out its most serious warning in recent years that sexual promiscuity is not to be tolerated in its ranks.

the language of the new morality push - one of countless such campaigns informally underway - is surprisingly bold, often cutting through the bureaucratese to make a clear link between moral lassitude and corruption.

one statistic trotted out at a recent speech to bureaucrats: a total of 95 per cent of officials investigated for corruption were found to be keeping mistresses.

'it's just not possible to keep a mistress on your salary because maintaining this sort of extravagant lifestyle requires a large amount of money,' mr qi peiwen, a party discipline enforcer, told officials in southern china.

'so what do you do if you don't have the money? naturally, you'll use the power at your disposal to go find some,' mr qi said, according to a transcript carried by state media.

the message was reinforced in a series of speeches at party academies last month by mr li yuanchao, who runs the organisation department that controls senior appointments. -- ap

Bob Builder

11-15-09, 04:29

I'm confused and don't see the point of shutting everyone down for a couple of days. Clearly, it's meant to be some kind of lesson/warning, but what can the local businesspeople do? These businesses are people's livelihood. Maybe the message here is to KTV operators to keep out foreign guys who blab about everything on the Internet, although there must also be HK-based blogs. If the national government wanted to shut everyone down permanently, they would have just done it.

Drug dealers are businessmen as well and they support families so the government should leave them alone too?

Prostitution is illegal in China and the Hoong Kong blogs have warned of a crackdown in CP. You should be thankful that it is only a few days. After the Seibu video from the Guangdong TV station was aired Seibu was closed for a month.

I don't know why after all these years that guys are still trying to justify the logic for crackdowns. It it part of day to day mongering life in China, if a place is not open you go somewhere else, call a regular a she will not be working and happy for the business or take a break from mongering.

You should be glad that CP is still operating. One fortune teller on this board predicted 2 years ago that it would be all shut down by now and up until last week business seems to be getting better there.

Wadman

11-15-09, 05:44

Web C,

The setup for saunas in CP is a little different compared to Macau. In Macau, saunas have communal bathing areas, dipping pools, sitting area, dining area, and then there are private rooms where you screw the girl.

In CP, it's just a room (with extra big bathroom) and the girl. You go in, pick a girl from the lineups, do your 2 hour session and leave. The only exception is if you go after 12 midnight, then most places allow you to stay overnight for free. Otherwise, they want you to go as soon as your session ends. Especially if the place is busy, cause most places have more girls than rooms.

As Joe pointed out, with this setup in CP, I don't know how you are going to post during your sauna session. Even if there was wireless, it's a waste of your money and time. Do your posting after your session.

All of the Sauna's I have been to in Macau I have alwasys brought my laptop. I find it a good way to pass the time between sessions. I have stayed in Rio and Sauna18 in Macau for over 24 hours. I don't even need a hotel. I just move from Sauna to Sauna. LOL

Is it possible to stay in the Sauna's in CP for as long as you want ? Maybe we can try to break each others records for the longest time spent in a single Sauna.

So which Sauna's have at least have computers to use ?

AsnDragon

11-15-09, 07:49

I was just saying it as to resolve a disagreement that Wadman has about people saying Huihua/ Miraton area is more dangerous than Swan Lake. Anything can happen in CP, just wanted people to be aware of the fact that crime is rampant in CP, regardless of the specific area.

AsnDragon

That doesn't really make much sense does it? That's like saying 5th Avenue is just as dangerous as Harlem or Chinatown. Chances of getting robbed or kidnapped are high only in dark alleys, and by high, probably in the 1/1000 chance and only if you look like a complete sucker. I walk down dark alleys all the time, nothing's happened to me so far. That's not just because I'm lucky. I'm not foolish enough to go following people I don't know. If you stay on well lit main streets, not much gonna happen except maybe some beggars bothering you.

AsnDragon

11-15-09, 07:52

Point,

So sorry to hear about your situation. Especially when you had so much fun last trip only a couple of months ago, to be reduced down to sleeping alone in CP. It's a shame to fly so many miles over and not receive all the pleasures you've been waiting for all this time. Hope things clear up soon for you.

AsnDragon

After leaving the Dynamic Duo of Dave and Joe, I headed back to Huihua and stopped off at the two floors and they were pitched black. Lots of giggling and high pitched voices on the third though. Very few young things wandering the streets. First night ever in CP to sleep alone. So cold and sad. Will have to relay on regulars and mommies till the heat dies down.

Point

SE Asia Joe

11-15-09, 11:29

After leaving the Dynamic Duo of Dave and Joe, I headed back to Huihua and stopped off at the two floors and they were pitched black. Lots of giggling and high pitched voices on the third though. Very few young things wandering the streets. First night ever in CP to sleep alone. So cold and sad. Will have to relay on regulars and mommies till the heat dies down.

Point
Huh? Thought we gave you two solid and good looking "leads?" What happened?

And by the way, you forgot to mention that you could access ISG from your hotel room at the Hui Hua - which actually IS a big deal under the cirmcumstances.

Cross your fingers!! AND stay safe!!

SEAJ

Nvslim

11-15-09, 13:28

Point,

So sorry to hear about your situation. Especially when you had so much fun last trip only a couple of months ago, to be reduced down to sleeping alone in CP. It's a shame to fly so many miles over and not receive all the pleasures you've been waiting for all this time. Hope things clear up soon for you.

AsnDragon

Is the hotel staff any help? In the hotels I stayed in when visiting the P.I., most of the bellmen would offer to find me girls if I was interested. Pimping I guess would be a better word.

Slim

Wadman

11-15-09, 13:58

I guess "final clarification" doesn't really mean final. What does "final clarification" mean? That you will shut up about it? Or that you want me to shut up about it?

I was just saying it as to resolve a disagreement that Wadman has about people saying Huihua/ Miraton area is more dangerous than Swan Lake. Anything can happen in CP, just wanted people to be aware of the fact that crime is rampant in CP, regardless of the specific area.

AsnDragon

SE Asia Joe

11-15-09, 15:42

Is the hotel staff any help? In the hotels I stayed in when visiting the P.I., most of the bellmen would offer to find me girls if I was interested. Pimping I guess would be a better word.

Slim
Actually, this is a good question - and one I'd like to hear from others on!!

I've also used the bell man route before at other locations - but have never even thought about it when in CP. I guess main reason being that I've never had any need to do so; but when I think about it, its also because the bell man does not seem to play as a prominent role in CP as in other places. I think that most guys come here with light luggage only - and that they mostly come to CP overnight or maximum couple days over the week-end.

I also see that except for the 3 or 4 stars or above hotels, I don't really even notice bell men - except those just opening the front doors. And I'd say that a very large majority of staff at the reception desk are all girls - so.....!

Besides which, I think that the bell men are NOT english speaking - so that route is out for the foreign monger; and I can hardly imagine a chinese speaking one having to ask a bell man for "action" - when he already knows to come to CP!!

Just my thoughts on this subject

SEAJ.

SE Asia Joe

11-15-09, 17:58

Web C - just noticed your specific questions which I would like to address as it may also be of interest to some other readers

Is this the first crack down in a long time?
If there was other crack downs in the past how bad did it effect the scene?
How is the crack down effecting the scene?
All the girls will then have to be inside the BBS instead of standing outside them? Will they close them down?
Even if they closed down some wouldn't a few remain open where the girls would move to?
I personally have not seen such a severe or as long lasting "strike hard" campaign as happening in CP now. Previous crack downs had only been a bit of a hiccup - but I sense and fear that this time around, there may be major changes coming.

In particular I am concerned that some of the lower cost "entertainment" we, as foreign, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc mongers had been privy to, alongside the offering to the locals, may indeed disappear. CP had IMHO been offering too much of their services to the outsiders - WITHOUT much local patronage - and I sense that the Powers-that-be (whoever they may be!) - perhaps may be thinking that this is not warranted. And thus the crackdown and quite wide publicity of it in Hong Kong etc.

As far as the gals standing outside - no such thing in CP - the gals are already INSIDE the BBS's, mostly behind double steel doors even now actually !

And they've closed down ALL the BBS's in CP that we know of - so there's no other place to go to - excepting for outside of CP!

I would think the only way to make a crackdown that works is to close down EVERY bbs, sauna and KTV. The girls have to work. So wouldn't they just move from the closed places to the ones that remain open? Maybe a few girls would leave the city to greener pastures, but there would still be a lot of WGs who are more established living in CP.
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THAT, as far as I know, is precisely what is happening right now. I've heard rumours that there may have been one KTV or another open in CP during the past few days when others were firmly shut, but I don't know which!!

As far as "established" WG's is concerned - this is NOT the usual thing in the whole of China. The majority of Chinese gals become a WG only for a short period of time - and those who needed to do it for longer stints would NOT stay too long in one locality as most Chinese mongers do not go back to the same gal over and over again (Yeah - I guess I am not a typical Chinese monger with all my "regulars!") and prefer to always have "fresh meat."

And if they really like a particular girl, he would start keeping her as a mistress. Thus there are not that many "established" WG's in CP.

I wasn't plan on taking pictures of WGs. Just general pictures of local every day life.
I would suggest strongly that you be very careful when shooting "general pictures" in CP as there are a lot of people who are very sensitive about this i.e. the married mongers, the working gals, the bad boys, the pimps etc and even the LE who may or may not be under cover who definitely do not want to have ANY pictures taken. In fact if you read a few pages back, we had an actual case of one of our members getting his head bashed in badly when all he was doing was just taking "general pixs"

And if you are a foreigner - just the mere act of taking pictures on the street may be bringing all that more/too much attention to yourself. It's akin to you taking general pictures in Harlem or South Central LA if you are white.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Wadman

11-15-09, 21:30

I think you have pretty much covered things.

In CP, if you speak Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese) you gotta be blind not be able to find action. Even if you were, you could just feel your way around and it won't be long until you physically bump into a WG. So no big need for the pimping bellboy.

If you don't speak Chinese, you can't communicate with the bellboy anyway. Mind you, in Shenzhen, mommies/runners/touts go up to laowais who don't speak Chinese and somehow manage to convey their intentions.

Actually, this is a good question - and one I'd like to hear from others on!!

I've also used the bell man route before at other locations - but have never even thought about it when in CP. I guess main reason being that I've never had any need to do so; but when I think about it, its also because the bell man does not seem to play as a prominent role in CP as in other places. I think that most guys come here with light luggage only - and that they mostly come to CP overnight or maximum couple days over the week-end.

I also see that except for the 3 or 4 stars or above hotels, I don't really even notice bell men - except those just opening the front doors. And I'd say that a very large majority of staff at the reception desk are all girls - so.....!

Besides which, I think that the bell men are NOT english speaking - so that route is out for the foreign monger; and I can hardly imagine a chinese speaking one having to ask a bell man for "action" - when he already knows to come to CP!!

Just my thoughts on this subject

SEAJ.

AsnDragon

11-16-09, 03:40

I think you are taking it the wrong way here. I'm not the confrontational type of person. final clarification means that I'm not going to bring up the topic again about which place is more or less dangerous in CP. I'm just posting that all parts are dangerous in general.

In no part of my posting did I ever insinuate or imply that I wanted you to shut up. I think you are a bit too sensitive. I hope that this is clear enough for you.

AsnDragon

I guess "final clarification" doesn't really mean final. What does "final clarification" mean? That you will shut up about it? Or that you want me to shut up about it?

Wadman

11-16-09, 04:51

The way I take it, "Final clarification" means you will not respond/post on this running topic again. It's a common tactic used to get the other party shut up, or else made to feel petty and childish for responding to a topic that has been declared "final". Let me show you how it is done. This is my final post on this and I will not waste any more time on it.

final clarification means that I'm not going to bring up the topic again about which place is more or less dangerous in CP. I'm just posting that all parts are dangerous in general.

In no part of my posting did I ever insinuate or imply that I wanted you to shut up. I think you are a bit too sensitive. I hope that this is clear enough for you.

AsnDragon

Big Swingin Dave

11-16-09, 05:22

Last night was the fourth night of the crackdown in CP and the guys was edgy to get out and party. Called around town, everything was closed except for New Century KTV which had stayed open during the crackdown. Was a bit nervous to go but nevertheless with Jim Traveller, Bruce Tea, and Cloud Palms in toll we headed to the New Century KTV. We arrived at 6:30pm and the place was empty, and upon entering the flower street, there were about 100 plus girls eagerly waiting for the four of us. Since there were no other competition, the guys took their time and picked out 3 lovely ladies to party with us. Everything was fine until we got the check and left around 11:30pm when they told us to stay in the room as the LEs were in the vicinity. After a 10 minute wait, we left without any incident. The place got quite full after 8pm and our DJ told us that business had been so good that she had two consecutive nights of working from 6pm til 11am in the morning.

The New Century was recently remodeled and the hardware is quite nice. It's a bit pricy there as all the alcohol are buy 2 get 1 free. The WGs are split into two categories: 2-5-8 (small tag) and 3-6-1 (larger tag with picture of the girl). The small room charge was 580 RMB with larger rooms at 1860 and above. They even have a party room that can hold a 100+ people for a 10,000RMB minimum cost.

Words on the street is that it will be back to normal tonight (16th)...we'll see.

BSD

Douglas23

11-16-09, 05:25

Seaj:

My thinking. Based on recent visit to PRC.. And I]since you are there all the time, perhaps you could shed more light on this issue. All I heard about from factories on recent trip was the scarcity of labour.

Given CP's proximity to train stations, it is the most logical place for "former factory girls" so seek out their fortune. Beijing looks at situation. Does the math and says. Hmmmm.. Better to bring economic hardship to XX number of KTV's and Hotels vs. XX to the Exponent XX number of factories.

There just isn't enough people available these days to satisfy the recent economic turnaround.. What the heck became of them, I'm dying to know.. Building roads in god knows where? Call 'them back. Home to the farm? Train to CP? Hmmmmm. Nothing a crackdown wouldn't fix.

All. As you would say.

IMHO

D23

Web C - just noticed your specific questions which I would like to address as it may also be of interest to some other readers

I personally have not seen such a severe or as long lasting "strike hard" campaign as happening in CP now. Previous crack downs had only been a bit of a hiccup - but I sense and fear that this time around, there may be major changes coming.

In particular I am concerned that some of the lower cost "entertainment" we, as foreign, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc mongers had been privy to, alongside the offering to the locals, may indeed disappear. CP had IMHO been offering too much of their services to the outsiders - WITHOUT much local patronage - and I sense that the Powers-that-be (whoever they may be!) - perhaps may be thinking that this is not warranted. And thus the crackdown and quite wide publicity of it in Hong Kong etc.

As far as the gals standing outside - no such thing in CP - the gals are already INSIDE the BBS's, mostly behind double steel doors even now actually !

And they've closed down ALL the BBS's in CP that we know of - so there's no other place to go to - excepting for outside of CP!
THAT, as far as I know, is precisely what is happening right now. I've heard rumours that there may have been one KTV or another open in CP during the past few days when others were firmly shut, but I don't know which!!

As far as "established" WG's is concerned - this is NOT the usual thing in the whole of China. The majority of Chinese gals become a WG only for a short period of time - and those who needed to do it for longer stints would NOT stay too long in one locality as most Chinese mongers do not go back to the same gal over and over again (Yeah - I guess I am not a typical Chinese monger with all my "regulars!") and prefer to always have "fresh meat."

And if they really like a particular girl, he would start keeping her as a mistress. Thus there are not that many "established" WG's in CP.

I would suggest strongly that you be very careful when shooting "general pictures" in CP as there are a lot of people who are very sensitive about this i.e. the married mongers, the working gals, the bad boys, the pimps etc and even the LE who may or may not be under cover who definitely do not want to have ANY pictures taken. In fact if you read a few pages back, we had an actual case of one of our members getting his head bashed in badly when all he was doing was just taking "general pixs"

And if you are a foreigner - just the mere act of taking pictures on the street may be bringing all that more/too much attention to yourself. It's akin to you taking general pictures in Harlem or South Central LA if you are white.

Just IMHO

SEAJ

Pointpanic

11-16-09, 05:31

Hey Guys,

You both are my friends and would both help out other veteran members of the CP board. Let's talk about the Obama factor instead as Dave's update is the latest. Lots of girls available if you have your favorites phone numbers.

Point

The way I take it, "Final clarification" means you will not respond/post on this running topic again. It's a common tactic used to get the other party shut up, or else made to feel petty and childish for responding to topic that has been declared "final". Let me show me you how it is done. This is my final post on this and I will not waste any more time on it.

Freepeaks

11-16-09, 06:32

Actually, this is a good question - and one I'd like to hear from others on!!

I've also used the bell man route before at other locations - but have never even thought about it when in CP.

Besides which, I think that the bell men are NOT english speaking - so that route is out for the foreign monger; and I can hardly imagine a chinese speaking one having to ask a bell man for "action" - when he already knows to come to CP!!
SEAJ.

If you go to Huihua a few bellman do speak English (though they have a few girls too and one is kinda cute ..). Clipper no way they speak english, though given they probably can help you if you can convey. they are nice guys at Clipper.

Right now I would be calling sauna mommies and have direct delivery to your room. I think this could be pulled off but you are at the mercy of who the mommie can find. no picking a girl, probably a 500/2 hr option or more.

At Crown Prince they ALL speak english. so they could clearly help you, but I have never been offered assistance in CP, though in Zhangmutou the english speaking bellhop did offer girl delivery. Also another city same offer. seems to be common. Another good route (though not now for current scenario) is through a taxi driver to find a BBS area. however use a marked taxi and be cautious not to be kidnapped/scammed. Also according to a few people there are alot of 'fake' real looking cabs.

huimei/miraton doubt it. i might think that at mayflower you could get BH assistance since they too speak english a bit.

this is all assuming you can't speak any mandarin. if you do then i'm sure BHs could help you.

Freepeaks

11-16-09, 06:43

And if you are a foreigner - just the mere act of taking pictures on the street may be bringing all that more/too much attention to yourself. It's akin to you taking general pictures in Harlem or South Central LA if you are white.

If you are white taking pictures in most non-tourist parts of China will either be met with anger or curiousity. CP is the anger category. To start with there isn't much there that interesting or that you can't take in another city. the interesting parts (girls walking about, ktv etc) do not want photographs. who knows if you are a tourist or reporter.

listen to the advise and take your outdoor photos elsewhere. Zhangmutou (daytime) or Shenzhen would be much better places to photograph. keep your camera in your safe in CP and try to convince your new friends to photograph them in the room. note if you have expensive equipment be careful with bbs girls as they could either report your $$$ camera back to a friend for a theft or try to steal as you shower, etc. might want to use a small digital for room shots.

If you want interesting pictures of small city china life, go to somewhere outside Guangzhou the land of factories.

SE Asia Joe

11-16-09, 10:27

Ozirob

11-16-09, 11:29

With all this talk of crackdown, i have taken the step of sending a message to my regular (read: best one from my first and only previous trip) to meet with me on arrival. No point risking sleeping alone, especially when i know how good this bird is :-)

1 week away but who's counting?

Can't wait!

Ozirob

Nvslim

11-16-09, 12:28

Actually, this is a good question - and one I'd like to hear from others on!!

I've also used the bell man route before at other locations - but have never even thought about it when in CP. I guess main reason being that I've never had any need to do so; but when I think about it, its also because the bell man does not seem to play as a prominent role in CP as in other places. I think that most guys come here with light luggage only - and that they mostly come to CP overnight or maximum couple days over the week-end.

SEAJ.

I was thinking more of a stop gap during the crack down, not as an every day sort of thing. Sneaking girls into the hotels for the foreigners would keep the girls busy and service the need.

slim

SE Asia Joe

11-16-09, 15:32

in CP!!

At least a couple times, I've now spotted groups of ThunderBird lesbians going after the CP gals.

And the gals seemingly happily going along, holding hands with these TB's, going arm in arm etc.

These TB's are I'm pretty sure from HongKong; Dressed in jeans, t-shirt and topped by an open regular shirt which is de-rigeur HKG T-Bird outfit, and I over hear them speaking in Hong Kong Cantonese.

SHIT!!

Anybody else notice them? I've only seen them on the streets and coming out of apartments etc - have anybody seen them at the KTV flower streets?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-16-09, 15:35

I was thinking more of a stop gap during the crack down, not as an every day sort of thing. Sneaking girls into the hotels for the foreigners would keep the girls busy and service the need.

slim
Why dontcha try it out and report back!

Mind you, the few Bell Boys I've seen in CP don't look as if they're the brightest light bulbs around!!

SEAJ

Web Connect

11-16-09, 17:17

Web C. Just noticed your specific questions which I would like to address as it may also be of interest to some other readers

I personally have not seen such a severe or as long lasting "strike hard" campaign as happening in CP now. Previous crack downs had only been a bit of a hiccup. But I sense and fear that this time around, there may be major changes coming.

In particular I am concerned that some of the lower cost "entertainment" we, as foreign, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc mongers had been privy to, alongside the offering to the locals, may indeed disappear. CP had IMHO been offering too much of their services to the outsiders. WITHOUT much local patronage. And I sense that the Powers-that-be (whoever they may be!). Perhaps may be thinking that this is not warranted. And thus the crackdown and quite wide publicity of it in Hong Kong etc.

As far as the gals standing outside. No such thing in CP. The gals are already INSIDE the BBS's, mostly behind double steel doors even now actually!

And they've closed down ALL the BBS's in CP that we know of. So there's no other place to go to. Excepting for outside of CP!

THAT, as far as I know, is precisely what is happening right now. I've heard rumours that there may have been one KTV or another open in CP during the past few days when others were firmly shut, but I don't know which!

As far as "established" WG's is concerned. This is NOT the usual thing in the whole of China. The majority of Chinese gals become a WG only for a short period of time. And those who needed to do it for longer stints would NOT stay too long in one locality as most Chinese mongers do not go back to the same gal over and over again (Yeah. I guess I am not a typical Chinese monger with all my "regulars! ") and prefer to always have "fresh meat. "

And if they really like a particular girl, he would start keeping her as a mistress. Thus there are not that many "established" WG's in CP.

I would suggest strongly that you be very careful when shooting "general pictures" in CP as there are a lot of people who are very sensitive about this I. E. The married mongers, the working gals, the bad boys, the pimps etc and even the LE who may or may not be under cover who definitely do not want to have ANY pictures taken. In fact if you read a few pages back, we had an actual case of one of our members getting his head bashed in badly when all he was doing was just taking "general pixs"

And if you are a foreigner. Just the mere act of taking pictures on the street may be bringing all that more/too much attention to yourself. It's akin to you taking general pictures in Harlem or South Central LA if you are white.

Just IMHO

SEAJOk thanks for the info.

If they are trying to discourage people from visiting CP only for monger tourism it worked. I canceled my trip.

With in 2 hours of my flight I said f it. I could'nt get the money back on my flight and lost 1 night deposit on my hotel but it is better than having blue balls for a few weeks.

My visa is still good for a few months so I will continue to read this forum and when / if things pick up agian I will be there to join you guys.

Fast Eddie 48

11-16-09, 17:49

Actually, this is a good question. And one I'd like to hear from others on!

I've also used the bell man route before at other locations. But have never even thought about it when in CP. I guess main reason being that I've never had any need to do so; but when I think about it, its also because the bell man does not seem to play as a prominent role in CP as in other places. I think that most guys come here with light luggage only. And that they mostly come to CP overnight or maximum couple days over the week-end.

I also see that except for the 3 or 4 stars or above hotels, I don't really even notice bell men. Except those just opening the front doors. And I'd say that a very large majority of staff at the reception desk are all girls. So.!

Besides which, I think that the bell men are NOT english speaking. So that route is out for the foreign monger; and I can hardly imagine a Chinese speaking one having to ask a bell man for "action". When he already knows to come to CP!

Just my thoughts on this subject

SEAJ. SEAJ,

This happen to me a few time this year at Shenzhen and Shanghai, during the night girl knock on my door want to be my friend one even try to force their way inside the room, I know the info is giving out by the bell boy because he carry my luggage to my room and know I am single.

I don't recommend anyone let this girl inside your room, there been robbery and scam for money that I saw on the new paper all the time in China, so becareful and use your big head not the little one.

Fast Eddie 48

Big Swingin Dave

11-16-09, 18:49

Got SMS from my sources today that all of the places (Eurasia, HuiHua, Miraton, New Century, Penninsula, FuHao, Clipper, Manhattan, JY, and Mayflower) are open for business tonight. We (Jim Traveller, Bruce Tea, Cloud Palms, Pointpanic, +2 others) went to the Penninsula tonight. No shortage of WGs; however, they are not dressed in their uniforms yet, still a little bit cautious but all seems to be back to normal.

BBS are open and so is the night market. Am not sure about the Saunas, will check around tomorrow and report back. Hopefully, the crackdowns are over but stay tuned.

BSD

Wadman

11-16-09, 20:15

Hmmm... I doubt it is the AoBaaaMa (as they call him here, transliterated into Mandarin) factor. Other towns in DG (other than CP, CA) suffered from a certain degree of crackdown, but not nearly as much. There, for the most part, things were undercover but open.

There are places outside of Dongguan (but away from Shenzhen and Guangzhou) where it is business as usual, including topless shows.

This crackdown seems to be targeted at notorious places in southern GuangDong, notably CP and CA.

Hey Guys,

You both are my friends and would both help out other veteran members of the CP board. Let's talk about the Obama factor instead as Dave's update is the latest. Lots of girls available if you have your favorites phone numbers.

Point

AsnDragon

11-17-09, 00:51

Point,

I'll take your advice and lead. Wadman, I've hear great stories about you from other bros. Next time i'm in CP, i'll buy you a beer. Let's all just shake on it and make peace. I'm not trying to diss you, just want to make good with all veterans.

AsnDragon

Hey Guys,

You both are my friends and would both help out other veteran members of the CP board. Let's talk about the Obama factor instead as Dave's update is the latest. Lots of girls available if you have your favorites phone numbers.

Point

AsnDragon

11-17-09, 00:56

Freepeaks,

Haha, do any of the girls ever want to steal your electronic dictionary? Every girl's always so damn curious about every time they see you.

Well CP's got that Fabulous Railroad Park that's just so beautiful! j/k But I actually took girls out there to do photo shoots before, met with many curious passer-bys.

AsnDragon

If you are white taking pictures in most non-tourist parts of China will either be met with anger or curiousity. CP is the anger category. To start with there isn't much there that interesting or that you can't take in another city. the interesting parts (girls walking about, ktv etc) do not want photographs. who knows if you are a tourist or reporter.

listen to the advise and take your outdoor photos elsewhere. Zhangmutou (daytime) or Shenzhen would be much better places to photograph. keep your camera in your safe in CP and try to convince your new friends to photograph them in the room. note if you have expensive equipment be careful with bbs girls as they could either report your $$$ camera back to a friend for a theft or try to steal as you shower, etc. might want to use a small digital for room shots.

If you want interesting pictures of small city china life, go to somewhere outside Guangzhou the land of factories.

SE Asia Joe

11-17-09, 06:12

Was just browsing that site with the numbers and saw the following which may be of interest. A bit dated from a couple or so months ago

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Post at 31-8-2009 17:50 Profile P.M.
Font size: S M LDongguan warning kidnapping - CP, Hui Mei Hotel's back alley

Hey bros, I've been following the forum for a good few months before venturing down to Dongguan. This is actual my second trip to the city for some fun. I've read all the warnings signs posted by all you brothers about looking after your safety. Your life isn't worth a cheap screw. I thought my first post in this forum would be my night with one of wg or at a sauna joint.

Last night, on Aug 30, @ 7:50pm I stepped outside HuiMei Hotel to grab a bite. I was approached by a mammasan about her wgs. As always, I brushed her off and waited for the light to turn before crossing the street. She continues to tell me about the girls, their age, looks, etc and the price $120 which is a steal. I've had girls for a one shot for $150 many time. It caught my eye as I had to check out her girls.

I followed her into the alley to check out the girls. We walked for about a good while to get there. It wasn't at the usual place right behind the HuiMei Hotel alley. Her joint was one street south, off the first alley street. We passed the usual places, dark alleys, people hanging around at the back yakking.

As we got to the place, she went into another shop next door where a small group of 4 were having dinner. She told me that she had 2 locations and the girls were upstairs in the building. As she walked, I trailed her for a good 10 meters. She turned on the lights and went up the stairs, one level after another level. When I stepped inside the building, there was no-one there. It was a big green door with 1 apartment building in every levels. My 5th senses started to kick in at this moment as I turned the corner and started up the third level. I proceeded to turn around and walk back down the stairs to the exit. As I headed down the stairs, there was 2 gentlemen about 5 feet 8, 9, 170-190lbs staring at me. I knew that at this point I was screwed and fell for a trap. One of them started to kick me in the shin and push me. I decided not to fight as this would only cause more problems. Minutes later another 2 men come down from the very top and now there are 4 men forcing me to the top level.

They taped my legs, my arms and gagged my mouth and explained to me that all they want is money. They asked me the general questions why I'm here, did I come here with anyone, any family members here, etc. I thought my life was about to be over at this point in time, but I just kept reminding myself, all they want is cash and they was petty thieves and crooks. They took my bag and searched my pockets and took out all my cash, credit cards, bank cards, ids, etc and asked what I had in my hotel room and the pins / passcodes to the safe. 15 minutes into this robbery, they turned the lights off and tell me to keep quiet or they will beat me as the lady has another sucker victim that she has lured to the upstairs. He was kept in a different level. I complied and gave all the pins that they need. They cleaned out my cash in the safe worth about $15K Hong Kong $. I don't care about that. The money was for the remainder of my vacation trip and I'm suppose to fly out of HK on Sept 8. The good thing is that I'm from North America and our banks does not allow ATM withdrawals unless it is set up by the client so, they were not able to touch my banking cash nor my credit card cash. They tried many time to withdraw cash from the ATM from my 6 different cards but was unsuccessful.

They gave me about $200 CNY and $200 HK to return home. They told me that I should leave CP by 2 pm or that they can't guarantee my safety. I guess they were threatening my life. They said that they will have their people watching me to make sure that I get on train out of town and will attack me anytime with an axe/ hammer and that I would not have a clue should I not comply. I was more than happy to leave CP asap.

Finally, at 10:20 they left the place loosened my hands and stormed out and told me that not to call the cops. I was able to untie myself and gather my stuff and walked back to the hotel. I got back at 10:35pm and was quite shaken. I wasn't able to sleep the entire night. I left CP this afternoon at 12 pm and arrived at my HK hotel a few hours later.

Guys, the bottom line is that if it's too good to be true, it probable is and you're the fool. I was the fool and realized it too late. It caused me $2K US but I still have my life which I'm very fortunate for. If I can help my punter out there and share my story, then this is a worth while post.

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SE Asia Joe

11-17-09, 07:14

from that site suggests that these Kidnap gangs are more likely to target foreigners as they are more likely to stay longer in CP and thus probably have more cash vs. guys from Hong Kong who comes up overnight etc.

SEAJ

Freepeaks

11-17-09, 07:45

haha, do any of the girls ever want to steal your electronic dictionary? every girl's always so damn curious about every time they see you.

i have never had one try to steal it, but many ask for it but not seriously as they usually have asked or know it is not inexpensive. i don't use it as much as i used to but it is good for communication. use it more as a learning tool now. figure most of the girls use qq and how is talking on that any different than qq, maybe a bit slower. yeah easier to simply speeak but sometimes it us novice speakers simply don't understand.

also you can use it to ask one girl to leave with you without the other knowing... haha.

SE Asia Joe

11-17-09, 08:34

i have never had one try to steal it, but many ask for it but not seriously as they usually have asked or know it is not inexpensive. i don't use it as much as i used to but it is good for communication. use it more as a learning tool now. figure most of the girls use qq and how is talking on that any different than qq, maybe a bit slower. yeah easier to simply speeak but sometimes it us novice speakers simply don't understand.

also you can use it to ask one girl to leave with you without the other knowing... haha.
hey freepeaks - since you got a couple of these things - you want to sell one to me?

i know i can and should use it - but am too cheap to buy a new one!!

in fact, anybody here got a working (and with english instruction booklet) electronic dictionary for sale cheap??

seaj

Silly Newb

11-17-09, 09:23

i remember there was a tough crackdown a few years back, and the reason was because the son of the a very high ranking party offcial in beijing, someone like the president of the cpc or something was mongering with his buddies in cp at a ktv, where a scuffle broke out and he was injured in a brawl.

i heard this about a year and a half ago when i was having lunch with the owner of some guangzhou amusement park. supposedly, they have crazy raunchy ktv sessions at cp ktv's with high ranking military personel from the guangzhou army division, where these military guys would pretty much throw wine glasses against walls and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the girls in the ktv rooms.

the guy who was telling me this was saying it as if its normal and common.

perhaps this crackdown is similar.

very interesting take on the situation.... except i really don't know what all is actually happening in cp. just that there is is a crack down going on.

one thing though, a lot (an overwhelming majority?) of wg's were originally factory gals - but i hardly know of any wg who would go back and become a factory gal after they've been a wg. the money is just not there in a factory - at least nothing compared to what they got used to as a wg.

i've also heard of a lot of the gas and guys going back home to their farms -as families that go back to farming are given a yearly supplement of rmb 10,000 per family. don't matter if they actually do any farming or just shovel a few mounds of dirt around to make it appear that they're farming - and they get rmb 10k.

plus all the stimulus going to rural areas - substantial government rebates to farmers buying electronic goods like tv's fridges etc. - which makes the retail electronic scene in many rural areas a hot scene - and a source of quite good employment.

but then again - what do i really know about rural areas??!!!

seaj

Member #4515

11-17-09, 15:01

A friend in CP told me that everything back to normal today.But KTV and FL are much less stock than before. Pls somedody now stay in CP can tell us the accurate situation.

Thanks!

AsnDragon

11-17-09, 19:48

freepeaks,

now the truth comes out. now i know why you are always so mysteriously hiding in the corner, and i always see the girls giggling and smiling when you try to communicate with them using the electronic dictionary- you are asking them to leave with you. it all makes sense now!

seajoe,

you don't need an electronic english chinese dictionary, i'm sure your cantonese is good enough. doesn't all the wg in cp speak cantonese to some degree?

as a side note, i use to have a friend who speaks perfect mandarin, and he would take one of these electronic dictionaries into the ktvs. he pretends that he doesn't know any mandarin at all, and listens in on what the girls talk about him behind his back. he then picks the girl who treats him the nicest and doesn't talk crap about him as much. then he later on surprises them with full on fluent mandarin. i don't know why he gets a kick out of it, but he does it quite often though. i guess he just wants to know which girls are nice and which ones have bad attitudes. don't know if this is a good technique to use to weed out the good ones.

asndragon

i have never had one try to steal it, but many ask for it but not seriously as they usually have asked or know it is not inexpensive. i don't use it as much as i used to but it is good for communication. use it more as a learning tool now. figure most of the girls use qq and how is talking on that any different than qq, maybe a bit slower. yeah easier to simply speeak but sometimes it us novice speakers simply don't understand.

also you can use it to ask one girl to leave with you without the other knowing... haha.

Big Swingin Dave

11-17-09, 19:49

The New Swan Lake KTV which will be managed by the hotel will have it's soft opening this Sunday, November 22nd with the official opening on Wednesday, November 25th. A big group is in town during this period, we will go check it out and report back once we go. They will have 93 KTV rooms when it is fully opened. The Swan Lake Hotel has gone through complete renovation to it's KTV, Foot Massage (now on the 4th floor offering regular rooms, deluxe rooms, DVD rooms, and computer rooms). The old building has been completely renovated and new hotel rooms should be available by December.

The Swan Lake is located at the beginning of Swan Lake Road and is in a great location directly across from the BBS alley and 5 minute walking distance to the Yalan BBS area. The special room rate will still be available to the regular repeated customers.

The Swan Lake provides a good alternative to the Clipper, the only exception is that breakfast is not included but those that don't eat breakfast, this is a good alternative to consider when staying in the Swan Lake Road area.

BSD

AsnDragon

11-18-09, 00:40

to anyone who knows,

so now that all of swan lake's ktv girls went to jun hui ktv, does that mean that swan lake ktv is going to have a completely new line up at their ktv? or does it mean that the jun hui ktv girls will migrate back and some of the penn girls will be absorbed by this new swan ktv as well? in addition, i wonder if swan lake is going to go a bit higher end than their old ktv was?

this is exciting news! thanks dave for keeping us all updated and up to speed on what's going on in out beloved cp.

asndragon

the new swan lake ktv which will be managed by the hotel will have it's soft opening this sunday, november 22nd with the official opening on wednesday, november 25th. a big group is in town during this period, we will go check it out and report back once we go. they will have 93 ktv rooms when it is fully opened. the swan lake hotel has gone through complete renovation to it's ktv, foot massage (now on the 4th floor offering regular rooms, deluxe rooms, dvd rooms, and computer rooms). the old building has been completely renovated and new hotel rooms should be available by december.

the swan lake is located at the beginning of swan lake road and is in a great location directly across from the bbs alley and 5 minute walking distance to the yalan bbs area. the special room rate will still be available to the regular repeated customers.

the swan lake provides a good alternative to the clipper, the only exception is that breakfast is not included but those that don't eat breakfast, this is a good alternative to consider when staying in the swan lake road area.

bsd

Legal Lad

11-18-09, 02:31

Hi gang,

Got into town a few days ago, and I can report, that as far as I can see things are pretty close to normal. Went to the Hui Hui KTV yesterday and it was stocked with about 200 plus girls. I also brought some clients to the New Century Sauna, again no issues.

Also confirmed, that if shit does hit the fan, the Prince in huangjiang is open. I know its expensive, but when all the game in CP was shut down, the prince was going gangbusters.

Anyways, I'll try to hook up with Dave and hopefully a few regulars soon. Just a headsup straight from CP.

'lad

Douglas23

11-18-09, 04:18

SEAJ:

I think the App on apple "Dianhua" cost me two or three bucks - it even translates the naughty words, with pinyin as well.

Giggling girls love it - - and of course they luvvvv the iphone...

D23

Hey Freepeaks - since you got a couple of these things - you want to sell one to me?

I know I can and should use it - but am too cheap to buy a new one!!

In fact, anybody here got a working (and with English instruction booklet) electronic dictionary for sale CHEAP??

SEAJ

Freepeaks

11-18-09, 05:27

Hey Freepeaks - since you got a couple of these things - you want to sell one to me? SEAJ

Not worth selling... The old one is pinyin only and slow and most of the brilliant girls don't know pinyin, some can barely write (... bing bing).

you can buy that pinyin only one for $90 or less on ebay/taobao called the AM101 from BBK. in fact i have seen at the department stores in china for that amount. it does not do pinyin and is a little slow but works. You can try them out at the big department stores in china.

the besta ones are the most useful. there is a new 863 model for around $200 that might do pinyin. they continually update models and older models become drop in price. if in HK or taiwan besta is sold many places. Besta has office in Kowloon - search for address online .. prices in HK should be 60% of USA or less.

没病没灾

Freepeaks

11-18-09, 05:31

SEAJ:
I think the App on apple "Dianhua" cost me two or three bucks - it even translates the naughty words, with pinyin as well.
Giggling girls love it - - and of course they luvvvv the iphone...
D23

KT Dict+ is better and faster. also allows you to save words for studying later.
both KT and dianhua are both offline and do word translation only.

SE Asia Joe

11-18-09, 05:49

to anyone who knows,

so now that all of swan lake's ktv girls went to jun hui ktv, does that mean that swan lake ktv is going to have a completely new line up at their ktv? or does it mean that the jun hui ktv girls will migrate back and some of the penn girls will be absorbed by this new swan ktv as well? in addition, i wonder if swan lake is going to go a bit higher end than their old ktv was?

this is exciting news! thanks dave for keeping us all updated and up to speed on what's going on in out beloved cp.

asndragon
they've got "recruitment posters" for dj's ktv gals, managers etc up on their front door already, advertising for gals with height requirements etc - a harbinger perhaps of the kind of pricing that they're probably gonna be going after.

thye've even got a bright spanking huge new multi media advertising screen as would befit a higher class establishment - and i've even also heard that they're suppossedly going to have some sort of conveyor belt system where the gals will be going round and round whilst the punters would just sit/stand back and make his choice; you know - sort of like those sushi conveyor belt thing!! don't know if this is true or even how such a system would work - but hell - imagine that - live sushi on display!!!

cain't wait for it to open actually!! hopefully it will upgrade the whole area there - get rid of all those sidewalk food stalls .... and the resulting mess on the street.

seaj

SE Asia Joe

11-18-09, 06:06

SEAJoe,

You don't need an electronic English Chinese Dictionary, I'm sure your cantonese is good enough. Doesn't all the WG in CP speak Cantonese to some degree?

As a side note, I use to have a friend who speaks perfect mandarin, and he would take one of these electronic dictionaries into the KTVs. He pretends that he doesn't know any mandarin at all, and listens in on what the girls talk about him behind his back. He then picks the girl who treats him the nicest and doesn't talk crap about him as much. Then he later on surprises them with full on fluent mandarin. I don't know why he gets a kick out of it, but he does it quite often though. I guess he just wants to know which girls are nice and which ones have bad attitudes. Don't know if this is a good technique to use to weed out the good ones.

AsnDragon
Yeah - my Cantonese does the job .... for those who speaks Cantonese!

It's the non-Cantonese speaking ones I have a bit of a hard time with - for as you know, my Mandarin is truly atrocious and is more Bei-TongHua and certainly not Putonghua! Sure, no probem for me to say most things out - but when they reply, my ears still just do not catch it and needs for me to try to figure out what is the equivalent word in Cantonese.

And guess what - even these Cantonese speaking gals usually reverts to Putonghua "in the heat of the night" - and it's a real mood killer when I do something, she says something.... and I don't quite understand what she's saying and need to try to figure it out!!

Yup, I need a Putonghua speaking dictionary to help me build up my vocabulary. I'd say I'm letting at least 70% of the fishes go - just because I am Putonghua challenged!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe

11-18-09, 06:19

i remember there was a tough crackdown a few years back, and the reason was because the son of the a very high ranking party offcial in beijing, someone like the president of the cpc or something was mongering with his buddies in cp at a ktv, where a scuffle broke out and he was injured in a brawl.

i heard this about a year and a half ago when i was having lunch with the owner of some guangzhou amusement park. supposedly, they have crazy raunchy ktv sessions at cp ktv's with high ranking military personel from the guangzhou army division, where these military guys would pretty much throw wine glasses against walls and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the girls in the ktv rooms.

the guy who was telling me this was saying it as if its normal and common.

perhaps this crackdown is similar.
actually, as far as i know, this did happen - but it's more like 3 years ago and the crack-down was nothing compared to what it's like the past week.

as far as "crazy raunchy ktv sessions" are concerned, the story of course gets embellished with each telling - but nonetheless, we all know that cp ktv sessions can and do get pretty raunchy sometimes.

but this impression of what cp is all about is quite firmly entrenched in most chinese locals - and thus the reason for them to consider cp to be "too low classed" for them - "don't go there!! that place is for the truck drivers and lower class people from hong kong to go to!!" true - that's what a local chinese friend of mine actually told me directly.

and the pricing does reflect this - with most cp ktv's at 2-5-8 - whilst those that charge similar prices in shenzhen, guangzhou, even houjie and dongcheng would be considered as second tier establishments.

so yes, cp is a gem as far as mongering is concerned - and its a pity if this crackdown is a harbinger of things to come and cp does change.

imho

seaj

AsnDragon

11-18-09, 10:06

SEAJoe,

that's just amazing, I don't know how they would even pull that conveyor belt off. I mean I can just imagine one of the girls getting dizzy standing on one of those things and vomiting out on customers. But regardless it sounds really exciting though!

Well the area in general is really taking off. I remember back in 2004 when Xindi first opened, that street was dark and scary. But now you've got Manhattan, mayflower and jiayi and Clipper and Swan Lake Shopping Plaza all built within these couple of years. In my opinion the street is really getting better than it was back then.

Food stalls will never go away though, because the WG and regular workers have to have some place to get a snack before or after work.

So does this mean that the old Swan Lake Girls that went to Jun Hui are going to stay there? I guess this means that Swan Lake KTV aren't going to have their own BBS now since they are upgrading to be something more upscale now huh?

AsnDragon

They've got "recruitment posters" for DJ's KTV gals, Managers etc up on their front door already, advertising for gals with height requirements etc - a harbinger perhaps of the kind of pricing that they're probably gonna be going after.

Thye've even got a bright spanking huge new Multi media advertising screen as would befit a higher class establishment - and I've even also heard that they're suppossedly going to have some sort of conveyor belt system where the gals will be going round and round whilst the punters would just sit/stand back and make his choice; you know - sort of like those sushi conveyor belt thing!! Don't know if this is true or even how such a system would work - but hell - imagine that - live sushi on display!!!

Cain't wait for it to open actually!! Hopefully it will upgrade the whole area there - get rid of all those sidewalk food stalls .... and the resulting mess on the street.

SEAJ

AsnDragon

11-18-09, 10:12

SEAJoe,

I'm just imagining you trying to look up words on your electronic dictionary in bed, during the heat of the night. i didn't think you needed much communication during the hot moments at night, I thought that your 25 year old- Andonis body is all that's needed in satisfying the girl in bed at night.

AsnDragon

Yeah - my Cantonese does the job .... for those who speaks Cantonese!

It's the non-Cantonese speaking ones I have a bit of a hard time with - for as you know, my Mandarin is truly atrocious and is more Bei-TongHua and certainly not Putonghua! Sure, no probem for me to say most things out - but when they reply, my ears still just do not catch it and needs for me to try to figure out what is the equivalent word in Cantonese.

And guess what - even these Cantonese speaking gals usually reverts to Putonghua "in the heat of the night" - and it's a real mood killer when I do something, she says something.... and I don't quite understand what she's saying and need to try to figure it out!!

Yup, I need a Putonghua speaking dictionary to help me build up my vocabulary. I'd say I'm letting at least 70% of the fishes go - just because I am Putonghua challenged!

SEAJ

Web Connect

11-18-09, 10:52

SE Asia Joe

11-18-09, 14:56

Gz Boy

11-18-09, 15:36

And you know what - even young guys like me - we really cain't keep up with these 10-22 year olds with unlimited energy and libido.

SEAJ

eh....you may want to correct that age group. Typos happen and you don't want to give out the wrong impression.

SE Asia Joe

11-18-09, 15:46

eh....you may want to correct that age group. Typos happen and you don't want to give out the wrong impression.
Oooops....double oooops - helluva typo I just wrote eh?

Fixed and would appreciate it if you will also edit your quote of my post to make sure that nobody here is gonna get the wrong impression.

Thanks a lot
Regards
SEAJ

Donkey Lad

11-18-09, 18:26

SE Asia Joe

11-19-09, 05:57

Donkey Lad

11-19-09, 11:02

1. Please RTFF the Guangzhou thread and not this one. Panyu is in Guangzhou and there's quite a bit of info on that thread.

2.Please also read the comprehensive guide for newbies to our board written by our China expert Sammy T:
932174

3. Please report back when you've done a few.

Come to think of it - you've NEVER had any experiences you could share with us??? Just to make it less painful for us to NOT to just tell you to RTFF?!

Regards

SEAJ"Sorry, I clicked on the wrong City. It should have been in the GZ report.

I was writing my report in the GZ form and got cut of line then made a mistake and sent it here.

Sorry.

OldAsiaHand

11-20-09, 05:03

Hi, I'm new to this web site. I've been reading for years and really enjoying the great stories, I've never got a chance to treat myself to a trip to China. That is about to change I hope!

First I want to say how some of you guys are great with your reports and info.

I know I might get slammed for looking for info on my first report but I have not been to China before so nothing to offer yet.

I have a chance to visit Panyu, Guangzhou. The company I'm going to do business with have me booked into the ''Royal Marina Plaza Hotel Panyu''.

I have read many reports but very little info on Panyu or this hotel. Can any of you guys give me some info on Panyu Sauna or BBS where I can get FS.

This is a 5 star hotel so I worry about been girl friendly! Would I be better staying in a 4 star hotel for girl friendly hotels?

Thanks in advance!

Donkey Lad,

At the risk of helping a newbie and not asking you to RTFF, I will provide some information even though you can find my posts on the GZ thread.

Your hotel is pretty nice but the location is not great for mongering. Panyu Shi Qiao is a pretty small place though so I would not worry about it. It should be girl friendly, as well.

Most of the BBS in town have been closed. I know of a couple but they would be very difficult for you to find and the quality is not so great lately.

Most of the KTVs are still operating but pricing is 2/3, 10, 15.

There are a couple of FS saunas that I would recommend. One is in the building next to the Sichang Hotel (reputed to have best KTV in town). FS should cost you around 700 RMB. The other is on Yingbin Lu across the street from the new Sam's Club. It is in a hotel, but I cannot remember the name of the the hotel. There is only one hotel on that stretch between Chimelong and the first overpass. The have 400, 500, 600 RMB girls and the room fee is 198 RMB.

SWs can be found on Guangming Lu and the street perpindicular to the Bravo Hotel late at night. I've seem some pretty good quality around there lately.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

SE Asia Joe

11-20-09, 07:19

Sounds good.

I re booked my flight but this time have to fly to HK. I will be ready to rock and roll Friday night!

Any last minute check list items I shouldn't forget to bring?

1. Condoms

2. Lube

3. ???
LOTS of $$$$!

You'd be needing it - not because things are expensive - but that you'd think "How cheap, no problem with getting another gal... and another one.... and another one....!

SEAJ

Member #4515

11-20-09, 16:43

Sounds good.

I re booked my flight but this time have to fly to HK. I will be ready to rock and roll Friday night!

Any last minute check list items I shouldn't forget to bring?

1. Condoms

2. Lube

3. ???Don't forget bring some small gift as reward to those nice gals.Such as fancy
underwear.

Web Connect

11-21-09, 02:33

LOTS of $$$$!

But that you'd think "How cheap!"

SEAJMaybe Changping is cheaper compared to Hong Kong, Macau ad Shenzhen. But it is waaaaaaaay more expensive than Thailand, Philippines and Cambodia.

SE Asia Joe

11-21-09, 09:16

Maybe Changping is cheaper compared to Hong Kong, Macau ad Shenzhen. But it is waaaaaaaay more expensive than Thailand, Philippines and Cambodia.
Wellll...... let's see, let's just see.... if You're gonna be of the same mind AFTER your visit here.

It's all a matter of $$$ vs quality - and I'm pretty sure that you're gonna go away opining that for the quality, the price is CHEAP!!

Like comparing apples with oranges.

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48

11-21-09, 09:39

Maybe Changping is cheaper compared to Hong Kong, Macau ad Shenzhen. But it is waaaaaaaay more expensive than Thailand, Philippines and Cambodia.WEB,

I think it depend if you go the bbs in CP you can get st for 25 USD and overall quality is better than Thailand, PI and Cambodia, yes you can get a all nighter for 30 USD at Pattaya, Angeles city or Phenom penh but this is wild west sin city for hard core monger not for everyone, I cannot picture uncle Joe going there.

Fast Eddie 48

Pig Fat

11-21-09, 10:07

OldAsiaHand

11-21-09, 10:59

I disagree about CP being dearer than Thailand...

If you compare KTV girl prices with BKK street girl prices then yeah, maybe, but if you compare BBS prices with BKK street walker then it is probably comparable. OAH would be the man to ask in regards to this, I guess.

Pig Fat,

As you say, it depends on what you are comparing. When it comes to the cheapest possible action available, CP is probably cheaper at 30 RMB ST vs. 200 THB for the cheapest brothels in up-country Thailand. I also reckon KTV girl prices in CP are cheaper than better nightclub girls but slightly more expensive than Go Go girls in Thailand. BBS girls in CP are indeed on par with SW in Bangkok, but cheaper than Pattaya beer bar girls when you figure in the bar fine. Sauna girls on average are cheaper in Thailand than CP.

Just my POV.

OAH

BruceTea

11-21-09, 11:22

last week when many (perhaps all) of the ktvs were closed, we ventured to the night market at midnight. normally, all the girls would be outside with their mms and flagging down cabs with customers in them. usually a pretty fun place with good selection and over 40 girls (combined from various bbss) to choose from.

well, during the raid period, all ktvs were closed. sns were closed. perhaps operating discreetly, but officially, they were closed and regular guys can't get anything during these few days. plus, it was cold and rep001tered rain made the evening truly disappointing.

the street was empty. no mms or lights. but as we got closer, the mms perhaps recognized one of us or took a chance to open the doors and let us in. and quickly, the metal doors were locked with a look-out checking the streets. we went to 2 bbss (bbs since it's inside; when outside it's considered night market ...heh). saw 6 girls in one place; perhaps 5 more in another. girls were scrunched around a small heating bucket for warmth (poor gals). anyway, looked but the talent was limited. i had two great experiences here, but during raids, i understand this place only had the brave willing to come to work. the mommies weren't pushy (surprising) and when we wanted to leave, they quickly unlocked the door and pretty much pushed us out. none of that, take a closer look delay tactic. looks like they were more afraid of the le than our meager business. but we were pretty nervous going in and out.

one girl had big big boobs hanging out of her tshirt. my friend wanted to take her back just to play with the boobs and go motormouthing.

one girl was cute looking but got overshadowed by a spunky girl who jumped up and said, "pick me!!" with a confidence and a smile that would melt any guy. so i picked her.

we told them which hotel we were in and the hotel number. gave them cab fares and we left. ah, just as we left, we saw two le riding down the street. doesn't get much scarier than that.

not advisable to do unless with veterans who know the area and know the procedure of these places. these places move around and perhaps the mommies only approach those they see often. and even when one narrow street looked empty and somewhat lit, the advice from the vet was, "let's not go down there..."

be safe and alert.