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01-01-01, 02:00
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SE Asia Joe
12-31-08, 09:03
Was in CP yesterday w/OAH and Wadman - and things looks to be thinning out quite rapidly.

SWL was only half full at 4 and at 6 pm and at only a few stragglers at 8 pm - but the gals and mommas are all complaining that the business has been terrible! Thus its gals not showing up rather than punters taking 'em.

Not much better at Baby's shop - and I was still fielding phone calls from all sorts of gals/mommas/dj's trying to get me to patronize.

And I was getting all sorts of advise to be more careful these days - things seems to be roughing up and there's all sorts of robberies, burglaries, violence etc leading up to the Chinese New Year.

SEAJ

Santa
12-31-08, 09:22
Ps. And as far as I could remember, I don't think I had too much problems in CP last Chinese New Year and in fact Bill, Santa and I actually had a pretty groovy time then.

Shops were being raided and most girls wanted to go home, but the weather was terrible and CP was flooded. Train stations were blocked and millions of passengers were stranded. Mongers from HongKong and Taiwan stayed away.

So, Bill, Joe and I had fun with the girls that could not swim home.

I expect this year will be the very opposite. CP will be a dead!

OldAsiaHand
12-31-08, 10:40
Was in CP yesterday w/OAH and Wadman - and things looks to be thinning out quite rapidly.

SWL was only half full at 4 and at 6 pm and at only a few stragglers at 8 pm - but the gals and mommas are all complaining that the business has been terrible! Thus its gals not showing up rather than punters taking 'em.

Not much better at Baby's shop - and I was still fielding phone calls from all sorts of gals/mommas/dj's trying to get me to patronize.

And I was getting all sorts of advise to be more careful these days - things seems to be roughing up and there's all sorts of robberies, burglaries, violence etc leading up to the Chinese New Year.

SEAJ

Even the girl with the glasses that SEAJ has scared off of me in Baby's shop wanted to go with me yesterday and the mommies were desperate. One mommy offerered me 50RMB vs. 100 RMB fee to take one of her girls.

Who says that laowais can't negotiate better? SEAJ paid 70RMB fee to the same mommy.

IMHO, based on what I saw and heard yesterday, it is going to be very slim pickings during CNY in CP.

OAH

Freepeaks
12-31-08, 17:31
I've heard the same news. Girls leaving town early for CNY because business is bad.

I know of at least 3 SWL girls that left due to bad business and 3 from other KTVs. The early flight might mean very slim pickings. There will always be a few that can't or don't want to go home so they should be available.

The BBS girls looks like they too are leaving early (why spend more money than you can make?)

Wadman
12-31-08, 21:16
Even the girl with the glasses that SEAJ has scared off of me in Baby's shop wanted to go with me yesterday and the mommies were desperate. One mommy offerered me 50RMB vs. 100 RMB fee to take one of her girls.

Who says that laowais can't negotiate better? SEAJ paid 70RMB fee to the same mommy.

IMHO, based on what I saw and heard yesterday, it is going to be very slim pickings during CNY in CP.


Ahum!!! Girls will be going home early:
1. to avoid the crowds (transportation)
2. cause it's cheaper. A 200 rmb train ticket will cost 500 rmb when it gets close to Chinese new year.

Apparently most will go home for about 2-4 weeks. A few may stay as long as 2 months. Wonder what they tell their parents? "Yes, the factory gave me 2 months off...?"

AsnDragon
01-01-09, 23:42
Speaking of CNY last year. I was in CP for almost 3 weeks. It must have been the coldest time ever! It was not fun at all. Freezing cold outside, flooding, and a lack of girls. It was ok at the end of December, but after Jan first 2008, it just went down hill. Last year the economy was at its peak in 2007 and beginning of 2008, so I remember all these BBS girls asking for standard tips after the deed. It kind of pissed me off when I gave 20 dollars for them to get a taxi ride back and she gave me this SH*T face and asked for 50 RMB or she would not leave.

But seeing how bad business is now, I guess this type of spoiled attitude will not appear as frequently, except for OAH's SWAN BBS girl.

I hope that this downturn in business will not scare girls away and girls feeling business is so bad they will go elsewhere for business. But then again this downturn also helps us all, if girls' and Mommie expectations are lowered as many of them are so desperate to collect 70 rmb ad 80 rmb fees instead of 100 rmb.

In terms of CP getting more dangerous, that is a fact. I heard from a friend two weeks ago, or three weeks ago, some guy committed suicide from the Liang Bang tall high rise building (across Miraton) apparently, he had gotten into some debt and jumped off the building, not only killing himself but hurting a delivery boy who was walking the sidewalks when he landed.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I suppose I'll wait until March for the next run. As I see it, Jan 26th is CNY, so a month later will be about beginning of March. Hopefully the supply of girls will start coming back and crime rates will be a little lower.

Wish it was 2004 back in CP again, when rates for girls were 150RMB, they weren't as spoiled, less crime and BBS shops everywhere. Oh and RMB was still 8. 25 those were the days.

Happy New years everyone! Have fun but be safe.

AsnDragon

AsnDragon
01-02-09, 00:40
Had a long weekend and decided to go to all the usual saunas I have patronised over the last 10 years or so. I mainly go to Xiu Jing now because their room rates is 58 RMB! Line ups 400-600.

Golden Lake: same, less service, line up worse than I can remember. Hubei, 7. Scrub down, BBJ, cat bath, bareback, CIM128 plus 400. Not much reason to come back. The competition has moved on I think. Used to be the best in Tangxia. restaurant as good as I remembered it.

Gladden (Fenggang). Full body massage (competent; their specialty) followed by FS. I have not had this for a while but it was as good as ever. However, 298 plus 400 makes it the most expensive round of ordinary saunas. Girl says business down 50 % compared to last year. Massage main reason to come here. Sort of 2 in 1 enjoyment. Competent massage by a naked girl! Hotel has gone down hill since the days it was called Golden palaise.

Goodview sauna. No change. 398 plus 500. Line up pretty good. I had 3 line ups because it was so expensive! Hubei girl. Tall slinky. Smouldery look but sex was average. I think she was a laid off KTV girl. This is the worst value. Just cannot see how they can command the price. Mamasan says business very good (with a corporate smile but no waiting on a saturday night. Yeah, I believed her).

Yiking suana. 248 plus 500. Full menus on offer including massage. I asked for massage because tired. Pretty good too. Ordinary sex but accommodating. Rooms now not competitive. basically hotel rooms of about 8-10 years ago in terms of decor. Shanxi, big tits. Hotel has a pretty good restaurant. Asked for an old favourite but not expecting her to be there (I first did her in 2002). Mamasan knew her. Said she had gone home after making "over 100,000" and now has husband and son. Mamasan knew me by name; on close inspection..............why.........cannot remember name but can remember the memorable f**ks. One of my favourites from 2004-5. She is doing well. Business down 50 %.

Sunny business hotel. Many rooms renovated. Some very nice. Girl from Fulan. tried 500 line up. No 600 available. Big tits. Lovely oval fact. Sauna first. She actually removed her make up. Great start! Looked better. Scrub down. Kissing! Full menu available but I just had GFE sex. Removed condom when doing her doggie as I could not come. Even CIM and swollow and smile. Then sucked cock! Cuddle. Then she demanded second round! I was cialis driven so getting it up was no problem. DATY instead and then 10 minutes bareback for her enjoyment really. Could not come. But great GFE. 138 plus 500. This was best of weekend. Mamasan says business down >50 % from last year.

Sunshine. Line up lousy so I left. Also no more bang left!

So saunas OK these days but business down.Mboy,

Thanks for reporting back on Tangxia. I was there for a few months back 4-5 years ago. I never went back since finding CP. But my time there was kind of boring except for the Saunas that kept me sane.

My first experience was golden lake sauna. Got number 81 I believe, tall cute girl from hubei. Was such an experience. They use to have some good talent back then, but I guess it got worse of the years.

Sunshine Hotel, right across from the big Shopping mall, was one of the best saunas I've ever been to. I got number 1, the teacher and trainer who teaches all the sauna girls, was a hot girl form dong bei. She had the best skills ever! I wish she was still around because she loved making love and she was good at it too. She even knew which pressure points and areas of the male body gives maximum climax. Wish she was still around.

But tangxia seems to be dying these days. It is truly sad, since I had a lot of fond memories in that town.

How is the goodview compared with Crown prince in HuangJiang? Have you ever been there? Crown Prince Sauna is the creme de la creme of all Saunas these days. But very expensive though. Room about 300plus and tips 500 starting.

AsnDragon

Santa
01-02-09, 06:48
Ahum!!! Girls will be going home early:
1. to avoid the crowds (transportation)
2. cause it's cheaper. A 200 rmb train ticket will cost 500 rmb when it gets close to Chinese new year.

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3. Many will go home early because business is very slow.

4. Last year many could not go home because of the snowstorm and flood. So, this year they will go home early.

I saw a TV newsreport last night about the train stations already being very crowded.

Dar425
01-02-09, 18:18
Ahum!!! Girls will be going home early:
1. to avoid the crowds (transportation)
2. cause it's cheaper. A 200 rmb train ticket will cost 500 rmb when it gets close to Chinese new year.

Apparently most will go home for about 2-4 weeks. A few may stay as long as 2 months. Wonder what they tell their parents? "Yes, the factory gave me 2 months off...?"


IMO, I don't care if the mommies talk about business being slow, economy being bad, lack of customers, etc.

When I was in CP a couple of weeks ago, the action near the Lucky Hotel was about the worse that I've seen. Coco wasn't around, and I instead kept getting my arm pulled on by some mommy (or runner) named "Chen Chen" (I have her mobile if you want it).

Chen Chen ran me to a couple of small shops in back of the Lucky, but these were much smaller shops hidden in the back of actual barbershops. She was wanting 200 RMB, and I kept insisting on 150 RMB. Finally she'd agree on 150 but say that she has to take me to a different place where the 150 RMB girls are staying. She'd run me around to local hotels and apartments (not your typical BBS shop/lineup), or she'd get on the phone and have a minibus with 4 girls sitting in it drive by for me to look.

It would take about 30 minutes just to get a look at 10-15 of the 150 RMB girls. A bit of a waste of time.

She even brought me to my hotel room at Lucky and we sat in my room while she'd call up the girls about 1 at a time for me to look at. I think it took 30 minutes to look at 5 girls, all of whom I turned down, except to finally tell her to bring the very 1st one back because all I wanted was a quick BJ anyway (I think at this point, I was getting ready to meet with SeaJ, Wadman and others to go to the 1000-girl lineup place).

It just seemed to me that around Lucky there was more pressure to pay 200, which I wasn't used to. 150 Should be fair, and in fact if business is slow, they should discount even a little more.

Typically, around the Lucky, I would have boinked about 4-5 girls around the shops each day. This time I did only 2 a day because of lack of quality, and the big waste of time of how Chen Chen would drag me to places with 3-5 girls only.

Basically, what I'm saying is I'm the kind of guy who would've pulled about 12-15 girls from the BBSs during the daytime hours in my 3 days in CP, but this time I pulled only 4 girls (due to lack of girls, or maybe just working with a lame mommy who was the only mommy to grab me when I left Lucky Hotel). This means I spent only about 1/3 of the RMB of what I would have usually spent. So if the mommy's want to say 'business is slow', they had a chance to sell to me but they didn't.

OK, in retrospect, maybe I should've wandered around Miraton and HuiMei instead, but I can definitely say for sure that the action around the backside of Lucky Hotel was slow.

Next time, I'm likely to stay at Swan Lake. Rooms look better, and seems closer to more shops.


Dar

Wadman
01-02-09, 19:22
(I think at this point, I was getting ready to meet with SeaJ, Wadman and others to go to the 1000-girl lineup place).


A 500 girl lineup, or 1000 girl lineup is purely for the novelty factor only really. After seeing it a few times, it's 1 big yawn. If you can't choose from 100 girls, the other 400-900 won't make a difference really. In fact, you just get more confused. Too much choice makes for a tougher decision.



It just seemed to me that around Lucky there was more pressure to pay 200, which I wasn't used to. 150 Should be fair, and in fact if business is slow, they should discount even a little more.


Western logic: business is slow, demand is down. Must lower prices or do something extra to earn customer's business.

China logic: business is slow, fewer customers. Must charge/fleece the remaining customers more to maintain same level of revenue.

Some KTVs are taking HK$ on par now, which is essentially a 12% discount. But the hotels have not lowered their room prices yet. In fact, JinLang hotel is trying to charge more! A few months ago, a regular room was 168 rmb, apparently it's 228 now (198 with a coupon). JinLang hotel is a bit out of the way. I can't imagine that business has been that good that they are fully booked or overbooked to justify a price increase.

Swanlake hotel has an older section where the rooms go for 128 rmb (148 weekends). As I was checking out on Friday, I overheard a small group checking in:
Customer: how much are the rooms on the 6th floor?
Receptionist: they are 168 each
Customer: yeah, but what is the price AFTER applying all your discounts?
Receptionist: original price is 188, 168 is after discount
Customer: O, ok, I will take it then

And these were local guys (and 1 woman) checking in. Shows you what some locals know.



OK, in retrospect, maybe I should've wandered around Miraton and HuiMei instead, but I can definitely say for sure that the action around the backside of Lucky Hotel was slow.

Next time, I'm likely to stay at Swan Lake. Rooms look better, and seems closer to more shops.


Swanlake hotel has way better rooms than Lucky hotel. The area around Swanlake is a bit sketchy though, especially for laowais because it has a more local feel to it. Lucky does have a superior location, if you want to stay on the main drag.

Bnlee2
01-02-09, 19:34
A 500 girl lineup, or 1000 girl lineup is purely for the novelty factor only really. After seeing it a few times, it's 1 big yawn. If you can't choose from 100 girls, the other 400-900 won't make a difference really. In fact, you just get more confused. Too much choice makes for a tougher decision..
Wadman,

You have to admit seeing it for the first time is awesome. If you have been to the cathouses in nevada and then seeing these several hundred girl lineup, you feel that you have died and gone to heaven. You are correct, after a while its a "yawn". After seeing China's lineup, it puts the nevada cathouses to total shame.

With the factories closing and the world economies in a tailspin, I feel that the prices is going to come down or atleast stabilize. The mommies are trying to maintain their past prices but I feel that they are on the losing end with less demand and an overabundant supply. If we all maintain the prices or maybe push it down a bit, we maybe able to force the mommies to lower their prices.

Just my two rmb.

Sangamotype
01-03-09, 04:26
Factory closing in CA and I have a job offer for DG but I must decide by Monday. I visted DG for 4 days and it seamed pretty nice but not sure about living there for 4 years. I know thai and filipina women very well and very attracted to dark stuff. Anyone else here live in DG perminant? Should I take the job?

Wadman
01-03-09, 11:58
With the factories closing and the world economies in a tailspin, I feel that the prices is going to come down or atleast stabilize. The mommies are trying to maintain their past prices but I feel that they are on the losing end with less demand and an overabundant supply. If we all maintain the prices or maybe push it down a bit, we maybe able to force the mommies to lower their prices.

Just my two rmb.

Bnlee,

The logical conclusion would be: more factories closing down => more girls out of work => more girls in CP. That's what I initially thought too. It may not work out that way. Apparently, a lot of girls in CP have gone home because business is bad in CP (and due to CNY), and they don't earn enough. If the girl is going to be a ho, she expects to get paid like one.

I do wonder what will happen over CNY, usually the mommies will increase the prices for a week or so. Or at least try to. Wonder if they will try it again this year.

Wadman
01-03-09, 12:10
There is a new outdoor BBQ mall in CP. It's near Swanlake/Clipper. From Swanlake hotel, walk past Clipper hotel (on your right), past Manhattan (left), past YaTao hotel (right). About 50 meters after YaTao, there is an entrance to the BBQ place.

There are about 10 BBQ shops, and another 10 small bars there. The bars are a la LianHuaLu in Zhuhai, minus the WGs. The place is new, maybe a month or so, so business is very slow. Not all the shops/bars are open for business yet. It's a good place to have a BBQ meal and beer. Cheap, and surprisingly clean.

Walking along the same road, you will find:
Swanlake hotel
Clipper
Manhattan
MeiBao sauna (huge sign, have not tried, so don't know the deal)
Xindi disco
JiaYi hotel /TaoYuan ktv
The new Mayflower KTV, a copy of JiaYi
Versailles hotel/Amazon KTV

Fast Eddie 48
01-04-09, 04:55
There is a new outdoor BBQ mall in CP. It's near Swanlake / Clipper. From Swanlake hotel, walk past Clipper hotel (on your right), past Manhattan (left), past YaTao hotel (right). About 50 meters after YaTao, there is an entrance to the BBQ place.

There are about 10 BBQ shops, and another 10 small bars there. The bars are a la LianHuaLu in Zhuhai, minus the WGs. The place is new, maybe a month or so, so business is very slow. Not all the shops/bars are open for business yet. It's a good place to have a BBQ meal and beer. Cheap, and surprisingly clean.

Walking along the same road, you will find:
Swanlake hotel
Clipper
Manhattan
MeiBao sauna (huge sign, have not tried, so don't know the deal)
Xindi disco
JiaYi hotel /TaoYuan ktv
The new Mayflower KTV, a copy of JiaYi
Versailles hotel/Amazon KTVWadman,

This is probably Chinese BBQ and hot pot stuff like dog meat and fish on a skrew.

I want a good Texas BBQ rib and 1lb T bone steak.

That is what I need for a good evening of hunting after dinner.

Is Mayflower open yet my Hk buddy told me it will be any time now, will be in town for a few days next month to check it out.

Fast Eddie 48

Wadman
01-05-09, 06:06
Wadman,

This is probably Chinese BBQ and hot pot stuff like dog meat and fish on a skrew.

I want a good Texas BBQ rib and 1lb T bone steak.

That is what I need for a good evening of hunting after dinner.

Is Mayflower open yet my Hk buddy told me it will be any time now, will be in town for a few days next month to check it out.

Fast Eddie 48

Yes, Eddie, it's Chinese BBQ. That's why the title of my report says... uh... Chinese BBQ.

Not sure whether Mayflower is open. Who cares. It's the same format as JiaYi, so why not just go to JiaYi.

SE Asia Joe
01-05-09, 11:41
I want a good Texas BBQ rib and 1lb T bone steak.

That is what I need for a good evening of hunting after dinner.

Fast Eddie 48

Jeez Eddie - BBQ ribs AND a pound slab of steak?? And then you gonna be pounding on some poor little waif?

Jeez - do that back in the States or Mexico or Jakarta or....??
Over here, be a good boy and eat your rice, veggies and a sliver of Chinese BBQ - OK?

Jeez - the excesses!!

SEAJ

Wapec
01-05-09, 14:20
Would it be disrespectful to suggest that FE48 is trying to compensate ?

Stick to using your sausage and two meat balls that will fill the waifs up. Add cream for desert :)

/W


Jeez Eddie - BBQ ribs AND a pound slab of steak?? And then you gonna be pounding on some poor little waif?

Jeez - do that back in the States or Mexico or Jakarta or....??
Over here, be a good boy and eat your rice, veggies and a sliver of Chinese BBQ - OK?

Jeez - the excesses!!

SEAJ

Wapec
01-05-09, 14:29
its an old theme but worth repeating.

i was having a bite to eat last night around 11:30pm before going for an apres dinner nibble of nubiles. was in tsui wah restraunt on the main stretch by the lucky hotel.

a young gal was walking on the road with her handbag. a car came along beside her and it was whipped off her shoulder before speeding away. many stories to similar effect but it was my first time seeing it for real.

lots of mommies, xiaojie's and general folk advising me to be careful in the run up to chinese ny.

fyi - most of the xiaojie's have already booked their tickets home and cp will be thinning out soon. 'twould be foolish to try to travel to cp for the cny break imho unless you've got some chickies lined up for sure beforehand (only regulars would be able to do that).

free will as they say in china. jmpov.
/w

HoseGuy
01-06-09, 17:26
Just spent three days in CP and same story as Wapec. Safety is certainly taking a turn for the worse in CP. Saw with my own eyes a group of guys standing outside a bank ATM. Lady comes up to withdraw money and one guy rushs forward grabs the money and runs, the other 5-6 fellas surround her and dare her to make any noise. Everyone else close by just averts their eyes to avoid trouble.

Mommies and ladies all telling me its not safe to use the banks in the evenings and to only withdraw cash at night. Also I estimate about 30-40% of the ladies have left for CNY with more leaving every day to beat the expected rush in trains. Would not recommend mongering in the CNY period or a month after unless you have contacts in hand already.

Be safe

Playboy2000
01-07-09, 23:15
That information about the sauna flower streets was excellent...I certainly never heard of that before. By the way, is the Huimei sauna actually in the hotel, or around the corner from the hotel (like Virgin). Also, it is not clear from your post - do they actually bring ALL the girls into the room for inspection?




Huimei Sauna flower street is at 7:30 pm sun-thur and twice (at 2:30 pm and 11:45pm) on fri and sat. They have 2 categories. 300 is standard. 400 for supposedly slim big boob gals with pink nipples. These gals wear only a coat with nothing beneath. So you go a room, they come in and strip totally naked for you to pick. There is another 400 category for the taller gals.

Wapec
01-08-09, 17:38
RT

The Virgin has two wings and two sauna sections. The one you describe as "around the corner" is a pale sham of the sauna in the Hotel itself.

Go in the front door of the hotel and walk to the lifts. Go to 3/F, tell them you want a sauna and you'll be led up a spiral stairway (to heaven) to the 4/F and to the left is where all the in Hotel action tales place.

Min two pops for 90 mins but you can go for as many as you can muster up in the time.

/W


That information about the sauna flower streets was excellent...I certainly never heard of that before. By the way, is the Huimei sauna actually in the hotel, or around the corner from the hotel (like Virgin). Also, it is not clear from your post - do they actually bring ALL the girls into the room for inspection?

Playboy2000
01-09-09, 13:10
Thanks Wapec. But my question was about the Huimei suana, not the Virgin.

RT



RT

The Virgin has two wings and two sauna sections. The one you describe as "around the corner" is a pale sham of the sauna in the Hotel itself.

Go in the front door of the hotel and walk to the lifts. Go to 3/F, tell them you want a sauna and you'll be led up a spiral stairway (to heaven) to the 4/F and to the left is where all the in Hotel action tales place.

Min two pops for 90 mins but you can go for as many as you can muster up in the time.

/W

AsnDragon
01-09-09, 17:58
That information about the sauna flower streets was excellent...I certainly never heard of that before. By the way, is the Huimei sauna actually in the hotel, or around the corner from the hotel (like Virgin). Also, it is not clear from your post - do they actually bring ALL the girls into the room for inspection?Wow, the girls actually strip totally naked for you? I guess business really is that bad that they have to stay competitive. The only place I know that completely strips naked for you is in Huangjiang Crown Prince, and they charge 700 RMB for the totally nude line up. Which isn't all that great.

I'm glad that CP is stepping it up on the Sauna scene. For some reason, Miraton's Sauna kinda sucks, even though they seem to have good management in their hotel department.

Swan lake Sauna girls are hard working and willing to please. The only problem is it's hard to find any eye candy there.

Virgin sauna is not bad, but their bathrooms are plain nasty. It's got black mold caked around the walls and parts of the toilet as well.

Huimei and Huihua have similar facilities and appear to be much cleaner.

The best sauna facility I must say is Sheraton Houjie. Not the best service, as many of the girls are spoiled there, but their facility is like a Resort in Bali or Phuket.

But I can't wait to experience the flower line up.

AsnDragon

Lubricate It
01-11-09, 02:27
Recently patronised the BBS scene behind the Lucky for a week or two. There seem to be fewer girls than this time last year. Quality patchy. The four main Mamasans, instead of each maintaining their own retenue, seem to have formed a combine, each working with the same group of girls in the one BBS. Depending on which Mamasan walks you to the BBS, that Mamasan takes the fee. One of the evenings there were Daddies running things in the BBS, personable and speaking English.

In fact, perhaps for security reasons, or perhaps to gain advantages over each other, the Mamasans now show a new tendency to conduct business at your hotel room, having got the room number from a girl. We eventually got into a routine where the Mamasan would call at 4 pm, and fix one girl right away and another for later in the evening. While waiting for the 4 pm girl to arrive, one playful manasan even asked to see my didi. I responded with "You show me yours and I'll show you mine" but she laughed it off this time. I think she's a Mamasan with possibilities... (Not Sholi, not the baby-faced one, but the tall, slender one).

Mamasan fee for short time has fallen back to 50, compared with the 100 that seemed to predominate six months ago. So it's 50 to the Mamasan and 100 to the girl. (Mamasan's opening bid is sometimes 100).

For long time (overnight), the Mamasan initially takes 100, but for a laowai there seems to be little way to avoid her getting 150. As one girl explained it to me, if you give the Mamasan only 50 in the evening, she will take 100 from the girl in the morning, knowing perfectly well where the girl has been all night. If you give the Mamasan 100 in the evening for a long time engagement, she will always take a further 50 from the girl in the morning. My informant was unhappy about this situation - it seems to apply to laowai only and not to cheongsters.

Taxi fares beween the station and the main drag: green cabs and vans still ask for 20. I hold up a piece of the top of the hotel letterhead (hotel characters in Chinese) with 15元 written very clearly. This provokes angry reactions from the van drivers and green taxi drivers, but there is always a van driver who will oblige at this price. Make sure you have the exact money, of course. In the other direction, the fare to the station in a metered taxi is only 8 yuan for the green Dongguan cabs and 7 yuan for the yellow CP taxis.

OldAsiaHand
01-11-09, 15:59
Mamasan fee for short time has fallen back to 50, compared with the 100 that seemed to predominate six months ago. So it's 50 to the Mamasan and 100 to the girl. (Mamasan's opening bid is sometimes

The price has always been 150 total for the BBS behind the Lucky hotel, including the one with the papasan who is always too hard sell and pushy for my liking. I hate it when they lock the door behind you after you are in the shop.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wapec
01-11-09, 16:36
OAH is right CP market price is:-

1) Lucky Hotel & Main Street drag RmB 150 ST (50 Mom 100 gal - tips purely optional)
2) Nite ("Meat") Market drag RmB 130 ST (30 Mom 100 gal - tips purely optional)
3) Yalan & BBS drag RmB 200 ST (100 each - tips optional)

Tips Optional means very very optional for outta this world dick or anus tingling experiences ie: buckled knees afterwards & tears of joy/ecasty.

Just my two fen (many others will say - don't fuck the market up)
/W



The price has always been 150 total for the BBS behind the Lucky hotel, including the one with the papasan who is always too hard sell and pushy for my liking. I hate it when they lock the door behind you after you are in the shop.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wapec
01-11-09, 16:47
Not many places in CP will do "real" naked KTV. Even now!!! Usually need to go further into Guandong for that ....

recently did the "teacher" in the Miraton Sauna and she was everything I expected and more. Lots of questions, requesting feedback and adjusting technique. Really hit the spots and all the highlights. Went for the Teacher 'cause I needed a jump start !!! Battery got recharged :) Would agree that its not the top sauna in CP but its top 3 for sure.

Swan Lake Sauna is I respectfully submit not a true sauna & misleading. Never found any gal there appealing. I can't only try & walk outta of a place so many times before loosing complete interest in even trying.

Virgin is tops at the moment. If I am not happy with the particular room facilities I ask for another room and explain why I am uncomfortable. I do this for the same reason that I insist on, at least, four line ups before picking a gal in any place. Its my nickel and if you don't give them feedback standards will slip. In these times feedback does count so don't anybody be shy !!!

Houjie can be a pain in the ass to get to if you haven't got language skills.

JMPOV
/W


Wow, the girls actually strip totally naked for you? I guess business really is that bad that they have to stay competitive. The only place I know that completely strips naked for you is in Huangjiang Crown Prince, and they charge 700 RMB for the totally nude line up. Which isn't all that great.

I'm glad that CP is stepping it up on the Sauna scene. For some reason, Miraton's Sauna kinda sucks, even though they seem to have good management in their hotel department.

Swan lake Sauna girls are hard working and willing to please. The only problem is it's hard to find any eye candy there.

Virgin sauna is not bad, but their bathrooms are plain nasty. It's got black mold caked around the walls and parts of the toilet as well.

Huimei and Huihua have similar facilities and appear to be much cleaner.

The best sauna facility I must say is Sheraton Houjie. Not the best service, as many of the girls are spoiled there, but their facility is like a Resort in Bali or Phuket.

But I can't wait to experience the flower line up.

AsnDragon

Wapec
01-11-09, 16:58
Heavenly Monger Father, OAH, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy Name, my witness be confirmed
Thy monger Kingdom cum
Thine spiteful will be done

Call on all respectful mongers
To illicit a fatwah on SEAJ
Jihad is the righteous hand of the Monger Angel
Because of crimes most serious & foul

Here ye, here ye be it known far and wide
That a newbie was abandoned at the CP train station side
Worst still a Grand double pop oil lube session
Was terminated early depriving newbie of second due pop

An inglorious monger crime so foul
Not even worthy of the OWL !!!

Tee hee hee ...... SEAJ you've been flamed and the facts speak for themselves ;) Jez couldn't even wait 30 mins after your pop for me to walk across the street . That is classic and sure made me giggle ! Patience of a gnat. Catch up soon or even next week where upon I'll return the favor in good humoured kind.

Jackson what would be involved to get SEAJ setup with his own thread ? Main title would be the "BSD & Etiquette Wannabe's" thread ? Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

Bless you in eternal damnation BSD wannabe
/W

Wapec
01-11-09, 17:22
5. Its fooking freezing without heating, down fleeced coat and gloves !!!


3. Many will go home early because business is very slow.

4. Last year many could not go home because of the snowstorm and flood. So, this year they will go home early.

I saw a TV newsreport last night about the train stations already being very crowded.

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 04:36
Heavenly Monger Father, OAH, who art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy Name, my witness be confirmed
Thy monger Kingdom cum
Thine spiteful will be done

Call on all respectful mongers
To illicit a fatwah on SEAJ
Jihad is the righteous hand of the Monger Angel
Because of crimes most serious & foul

Here ye, here ye be it known far and wide
That a newbie was abandoned at the CP train station side
Worst still a Grand double pop oil lube session
Was terminated early depriving newbie of second due pop

An inglorious monger crime so foul
Not even worthy of the OWL !!!

Tee hee hee ...... SEAJ you've been flamed and the facts speak for themselves ;) Jez couldn't even wait 30 mins after your pop for me to walk across the street . That is classic and sure made me giggle ! Patience of a gnat. Catch up soon or even next week where upon I'll return the favor in good humoured kind.

Jackson what would be involved to get SEAJ setup with his own thread ? Main title would be the "BSD & Etiquette Wannabe's" thread ? Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

Bless you in eternal damnation BSD wannabe
/W

Omigawd.....

You truly are NOT an OWL wannabe - you've actually surpassed him by leaps and bounds!

Hell, you gotta be thankin' me for giving you the perfect excuse to stay in CP a whole 8 hours longer!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 04:46
The price has always been 150 total for the BBS behind the Lucky hotel, including the one with the papasan who is always too hard sell and pushy for my liking. I hate it when they lock the door behind you after you are in the shop.

Just my POV.

OAH
Yes - I really think that Papa-san is a bit mental and refuse to even acknowledge him.
He's of the habit of getting all mouthy and hurling invectives at guys who does not chose from his stable - and actually being very intimidating. Stay away from this idiot.
And on Taxis - Look-it, holding up a hotel card with RMB 15 written on it identifies you immediately as being a newbie in CP (and in other locations for that matter)! And besides which, I always insist - and get - rides to my hotel for RMB 10 by holding up my index finger and mouthing XX Jao Tian Se kuai (XX hotel 10 bucks) whilst walking towards the street. Sooner or later one will break rank and agree to my RMB10 - and worse come to worse, I'm out on the street where I'll flag down a leagl yellow/blue taxi who will either put the meter up or agree to 10 bucks.
SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 05:00
Today's South China Morning Post


Surge in thefts and robberies in Dongguan

He Huifeng
Jan 12, 2009
Dongguan in the Pearl River Delta may be in the grip of a crime wave, as its once-booming manufacturing sector struggles amid the global financial crisis.
Few public reports have emerged but there has been a surge in postings on popular online chat rooms and bulletin boards in the past two months offering first-hand accounts of thefts and robberies.

"They hit my face and forced me to tell them the password for my debit card," one contributor called "Loving Monica" said of an attack on her in Houjie township, Dongguan, on December 3.

Two men dragged her into a car. She said she shouted for help as her abductors circled the bank in the car but nobody noticed.

The men eventually pushed her out of the car after getting the password out of her and taking money from her account at a nearby ATM.

She said she went to the police to ask to see security camera footage of the area but they refused.

Hundreds of netizens replied to her post, saying they also felt street crime had become more rampant. "In Dongguan, being robbed is common. You are among the lucky ones. My friend is still in hospital because of a robbery," one said.

In addition, at least two big jewellers in Changping and Shijie townships were robbed at gunpoint in December.

The decline in public safety is an embarrassment to the municipal government, which had pledged to clean up the city's streets after a spate of bag-snatchings by motorcycle robbers and other crimes two years ago.

Although motorcycles were banned in the city, among other measures, a growing number of jobless migrants now pose a new threat.

Houjie party chief Li Huiqin told a public security conference early last month the township was facing more public-safety challenges than ever because of the huge number of jobless people.

He called on the police to make an all-out effort to counter the worsening situation.

Security guards protecting factories that have been shut down are also worried.

"It's tough to be here just by myself," security guard Li Jun said, as he stood watch outside a factory that closed in November after laying off 200 workers.

"Three other factories have also closed in the neighbourhood and the nearby stores and restaurants have closed down one after another."

He said he was the only person in the three-storey plant protecting its stocks of raw materials.

"I'm so worried every night about what would happen if thieves turned up," Mr Li said. "One or two thieves are fine. But I would be in great danger if three or more came."

Those who are lucky enough to still have a job in Dongguan's factories say they are also concerned about living in half-deserted areas.

"More than half of my neighbours have moved out of the six-storey rented building and gone back to their hometowns," a female migrant worker said.

"I have heard of so many break-ins in Dongguan recently. No one would notice if I were robbed or killed in the dreary building.

"Every day you read all sorts of crime stories in the newspaper and hear all sorts of horrible experiences from friends," she said.

"How can one have confidence in Dongguan?"

Bc8000
01-12-09, 05:45
Add to SEAJ's crime whistle for commuters too

Got out of the Pearl Delta area recently to avoid such experiences. Even the Taxi driver say stay indoors late at night. Pre-CNY is high crime watch and buses are not safe either.

A whole bus load of passengers were driven to a remote spot while traveling between Macau and Shenzhen.

Driver was apparently involved in this crime.

All 40 passengers were searched and robbed at knife point. St least one passenger was slashed and hurt when resisting.

Travel safe and take care of that wallet while in the sauna / massage room. One minute is all they need. Tuck cash away.

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 06:47
Adversity into opportunity.

At the risk of taking the “OWL wannabe” mantle away from Wapec, I’m gonna try somethin’ here!

Right after my veggie date with the hotel receptionist (Sing “ I think I love her” to the tune of “The Impossible Dream”), I jumped at OAH’s instructions to meet the boys at the Night market – RIGHT NOW!.

Couldn’t catch a cab and took a RMB 3 tricycle there where I was greeted by a pack of rowdy and hungry mongers with their peckers practically hanging out of their pants. BAD sign I say – too damn many of ‘em and too few gals!! And here were the gals, all huddled around these ubiquitous charcoal heaters, trying not to freeze their asses off!

Saw one, got pipped, saw another one – and got pipped again by one of Sammy boys’ horde!! Damn! Until I saw a tall ‘un who was averting every one of our stares and wouldn’t even look up to allow us a good look! BAD sign sez OAH – she’s gonna be a lousy newbie who wouldn’t do nuthin!. Ahhh yes, but she’s too good looking - even without all the make-up which the other gals plastered themselves with; and even under all the layers of clothing – must be a hot body! Momma says – “Yeah 130, but she won’t blow you” – which put a further damper on my enthusiasm to do this gal. But hell, nothing ventured, nothing gained – and it is with this frame of mind that I set out on my task! A challenge!!

Got her back to the hotel room and sure enuff, she told me that this is only her second day as a xiaojie; the usual story about having a boyfriend who brought her down to work “together’ with his friend the momma, and beating her up when she at first refused….. the usual thing. very sad, but …….. All taken with a large grain of salt – and besides which, I’m now here to take away all your sadness!! Muahahah!!


///more///

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 06:48
All shy and wanted to go into the bathroom to take her clothing off! OK – no probs – go ahead – and I then just drew up the blinds to the glass wall covering the bathroom! And hotdiggitydo but what did I see?? Hair hair and more hair forming an impressive triangle topped by dark, practically black, huge nipples on a large mound of alabaster skin. Holy Cow!! Saw the play “Hair” eons back and ……… Reminded me of Thai/Filipino gals in the old days before all dem shavin’ and pluckin’ pubes! So much for my hunt for the elusive White Tiger of China – I’ve got myself a Monkey!! Exceptin’ that whilst she had this impressive jungle around her pubes, the rest of her body was smooth, white and practically hairless. IMPRESSIVE!!

OK, the usual hide under the sheets, hands covering all target parts, no kissing, no nuthin’ – which made the task at hand all the more challenging!! OK, so I figure I gotta grease this gal up a bit first and thus turned her on face whilst I started to minister on the nape of her neck, behind her neck, on her shoulder blades, at the start of the curve of her ass, at the top of her ass, behind her knees, on her thighs – any and all areas that gals are usually sensitive at – and duly noted which areas she reacts to. React to you ask?? Well, goose bumbs are good indicators, and so are soft moaning and body writhing. What - you say? These gals are good at acting and will do all that just to get the action moving along fast? Yeah – OK , but so what – I also know that these gals, even if acting, do many times get caught up in the moment and actually DO get turned on. So there! And yes, methinks that she did get turned on.

Intermittently checked her pussy to determine her “progress” and when I figured that she was wet enough, produced “la piece de resistance” – one of Slower Better’s bullet vibrators and teased and toyed her clits with it. And man – she took off like a rocket – I mean a real rocket with all that bucking and moaning and screamin’ Bingo I figured and shoved one into her whilst taking another one to still tickle her clit – and man, the pleading, the hugging, the gasps of exasperation when I either removed or stopped them li’l devils!!

///more///

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 06:49
Gotcha! Really gotcha I surmised when she was bucking up and down, grabbing my li’l one and actually beggin’ me to stick it in – even when I was still uncovered! Damn – this is gonna be a helluva ride I thought – and sure enough….. a GREAT ride!

Did her in just about all the position I can remember before settling on what I figure would be the best way to finish off this buckin’ bronco – her lying on her back with both of her feet over my side-way turned torso which allowed my pecker perfect alignment to freely pound her pussy; And all the while using the bullet vibrator to tease her clit. To lightly touch it, and then using it on her now really pointy nipples, and then linger just close to her clit again….before she grabbed it and just grounded that little sucker directly onto her hairy…very hairy …. mound of Venus. She came so many times this way that she told me later that she actually lost count how many times – just that she’s never come that many times in her life.

Love to look at a gal’s face when she’s coming, how she moans and grunts and gasp, and tighten up and grasp at sheets, at bodies at … anything – and here I had a real-life full length movie of all this going! (Porno movie??!!). Damn, thinking about it whilst writing this is getting me all stirred up. Wish my little cheap ass camera would have allowed me to take movies longer than 30 seconds at a cli[p – but….

OK guys – OWL enough??!! Enough details?? Enough juicy details??

Wot??? You say too much?? Didn’t need to know?? Didn’t want to know?? Just skip the details?? Oh well, Too bad – all I know is that I enjoyed myself, I thoroughly enjoyed myself….. and I didn’t even get a blow job from her!!

And worse, she ain’t got no hand phone yet – and all I could do was to give her MY phone number on a piece of paper with instructions for her to phone me as soon as she gets one. Best RMB130 night market gal I’ve had yet (and don’t ask me how much xiao fei I gave her – none of your business!!)

SEAJ

Picture...of course on the Photo gallery thread!

OldAsiaHand
01-12-09, 07:41
Omigawd.....

You truly are NOT an OWL wannabe - you've actually surpassed him by leaps and bounds!

Hell, you gotta be thankin' me for giving you the perfect excuse to stay in CP a whole 8 hours longer!!

SEAJ

You deprived the guy of his second pop. This is a crime punishable by cutting off your pecker. If the surgeon can find a microscope and a small enough knife.

He rushed like hell to meet you at the station. He ran across the street half dressed to catch the train only to find that you abandoned him. It was never expected since you had just told us that you hate the hassle of changing trains at Lowu.

Since it will be difficult to carry out the sentence above, you can make resititution. You will take all of us to the Jia Yi KTV at your expense including, but not limited to, unlimited French Grand Cru and/or the most expensive single malt Scotch to drink and as many girls as we want in the room; followed by an orgy with all of them in the best hotel suite in town.

Just my POV.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
01-12-09, 07:48
And worse, she ain’t got no hand phone yet – and all I could do was to give her MY phone number on a piece of paper with instructions for her to phone me as soon as she gets one. Best RMB130 night market gal I’ve had yet (and don’t ask me how much xiao fei I gave her – none of your business!!)

SEAJ

Picture...of course on the Photo gallery thread!

At least you guys get to read these posts at your leisure. SEAJ calls and wakes me up from a deep sleep at 2:00AM to give me all the juicy details. Smart mongers turn their mobile phones off.

I am surprised you didn't take her right out and buy her a brand new, top of the line, Nokia for her after you did her. Or, was the tip more than enough to cover the cost of one? Is that why it is "none of our business"?

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 08:00
You deprived the guy of his second pop.
You REALLY think this wanker is CAPABLE of a second pop???!! Aw come ON!!!

This is a crime punishable by cutting off your pecker. If the surgeon can find a microscope and a small enough knife.
Penis envy huh?!

He rushed like hell to meet you at the station. He ran across the street half dressed to catch the train only to find that you abandoned him. It was never expected since you had just told us that you hate the hassle of changing trains at Lowu. if the dumb shit would pick up his fone and/or read his phone sms, he'd know that I'd flown the coop an hour ahead! And as far as being him half dressed - dontcha know that every time we see him at CP - anywhere in CP - he's always got his pecker hanging half way out his pants. Yeah I notice!! Of course I notice - all the gals run to me and point it out - dangling away - when he approaches each and every one of 'em. Nah..... not half dressed... that's just the way the pervert is!!

Since it will be difficult to carry out the sentence above, you can make resititution. You will take all of us to the Jia Yi KTV at your expense including, but not limited to, unlimited French Grand Cru and/or the most expensive single malt Scotch to drink and as many girls as we want in the room; followed by an orgy with all of them in the best hotel suite in town.

It'd be like pearls for swines. Besides which The S.O.B. just loved it that he's got the perfect excuse to stay an extra 8 hours in CP, harrassing all of Santa's sweet young 'uns

Just my POV.
OAH
OK!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-12-09, 08:04
At least you guys get to read these posts at your leisure. SEAJ calls and wakes me up from a deep sleep at 2:00AM to give me all the juicy details. Smart mongers turn their mobile phones off.

I am surprised you didn't take her right out and buy her a brand new, top of the line, Nokia for her after you did her. Or, was the tip more than enough to cover the cost of one? Is that why it is "none of our business"?

Just my POV.

OAH
Hell - shops were already closed
SEAJ

Bigboobman007
01-12-09, 09:52
That information about the sauna flower streets was excellent...I certainly never heard of that before. By the way, is the Huimei sauna actually in the hotel, or around the corner from the hotel (like Virgin). Also, it is not clear from your post - do they actually bring ALL the girls into the room for inspection?Huimei sauna is in the hotel. U have to go up from the main elevator to 2nd floor. The see-through/totally naked category gals can only be seen in the room. The PR will arrange for u. During flower street time, they all stand on the corridoor outside the rooms.

Cappy
01-13-09, 00:33
I never met Gentleman SEAJ before, but clearly he doesn't know what he's missing. Cappy got to have the pleasure of Wapec's company for balance of the evening. Was it good?

The stuff Wapec's forgotten, Cappy hasn't even learned yet. Now here's a guy that know's how to keep Cappy happy! And get your dirty minds out of the gutter. There isn't a wanker bone in that finely tuned body built for mongering.

On the eve of Santa's return, the question on everybody's mind is ..... will the dynamic duo of Wapec-Santa wreak their revenge and finally have their way with the dastardly SEAJ?

SEAJ, my advice is be afraid, friend .... be very afraid.






It'd be like pearls for swines. Besides which The S.O.B. just loved it that he's got the perfect excuse to stay an extra 8 hours in CP, harrassing all of Santa's sweet young 'uns

OK!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-13-09, 04:44
I never met Gentleman SEAJ before, but clearly he doesn't know what he's missing. Cappy got to have the pleasure of Wapec's company for balance of the evening. Was it good?

The stuff Wapec's forgotten, Cappy hasn't even learned yet. Now here's a guy that know's how to keep Cappy happy! And get your dirty minds out of the gutter. There isn't a wanker bone in that finely tuned body built for mongering.

On the eve of Santa's return, the question on everybody's mind is ..... will the dynamic duo of Wapec-Santa wreak their revenge and finally have their way with the dastardly SEAJ?

SEAJ, my advice is be afraid, friend .... be very afraid.
Oooooohhhhhh..... now I'm scared... really scared!! Hahahah!

And what's this about "........I never met Gentleman SEAJ before...." - who the hell did you meet at breakfast at the Clipper??

And as for "....The stuff Wapec's forgotten, Cappy hasn't even learned yet....." Boy - you do have a lot to learn huh??!

And..."......but clearly he doesn't know what he's missing....." You gotta be kidding!! I've had the "pleasure" (yeah.... right!!) of his company too damn many times I'd say!! OWL wannabe.... that's what hes trying to be!!

And whats with all these cryptic threads Wapec - and now you - are so fond of writing??!! Jeez!!

SEAJ

Ps. NOW..... I'd like to see what other crettins gonna come out after all this diatribe! Get back to mongering - enuff of this!!

I Waterloo
01-13-09, 05:12
Dear Gentlemen,

I'll have a long flight from canada to changping (Hong Kong) at the end of this comming feb. I have lots of interests in Plutocrat (Fuhao).

I have failed to find out some geographical information on Plutocrat (Fuhao).

Any information on location or phone number or mammie's cell phone number will be appreciated. Thanks.

Happy new year!

Wapec
01-13-09, 15:39
1) I do half pops too ;)
2) As mentioned, I screen for your calls (there is a hidden message there). Sorry to say no Oedipus complex here.
a) I heard your sms but was busy with a gal so priorities kicked in
b) picture a quarter ton topless human whale covered in body massage oil dashing across a four lane road putting his shirt on. Only thing missing was a Mommie at my side shouting "pink colour" pointing at my man boobs [even I fooking had ta laugh at the state of the situation]
c) pecker hanging out - damn of course how else to dress for CP? I am here for the action full stop. As for calling me a pervert - thats a compliment & a privilege on this Board (and, if I am so bold, from you)
d) now I've got penis shaped candy, boobie shaped candy too and nipple shaped chocolate (ask Wadman & OAH) - been flashing them at the gals to whooping girlie giggles :) Here is the punchline - its wonderful to watch a gal suck and swallow down a candy dick :) have her do it for real is even better.
3) Good point. Even though I lost my second pop that time but I shrugged it off with a laugh with what turned out to be a lazy day. You're a glass half full kinda guy. Sometimes its an outlook I admire.

Finally, I gotta mention that from the pics & AV the gal you got from the Nite Market was a real diamond in the rough. So cool to see a ST WG joyfully masterbating herself while being ridden by a seasoned monger. Can only imagine the size of the wet stain she left on your bed ?

Catch you later this weekend!!!

ALL

Is it just me or is there more willingness for the gals to provide CIM ? Its almost become a regular feature of my recent two pop sessions. Before it was really really really tough to find a gals to provide first time out.

\W


1)You REALLY think this wanker is CAPABLE of a second pop???!! Aw come ON!!!

2) Penis envy huh?! if the dumb shit would pick up his fone and/or read his phone sms, he'd know that I'd flown the coop an hour ahead! And as far as being him half dressed - dontcha know that every time we see him at CP - anywhere in CP - he's always got his pecker hanging half way out his pants. Yeah I notice!! Of course I notice - all the gals run to me and point it out - dangling away - when he approaches each and every one of 'em. Nah..... not half dressed... that's just the way the pervert is!!

3) It'd be like pearls for swines. Besides which The S.O.B. just loved it that he's got the perfect excuse to stay an extra 8 hours in CP, harrassing all of Santa's sweet young 'uns SEAJ

Wapec
01-13-09, 15:53
First, HNY to you too.
Second, RTFF yours is a tagline post & you've just waved a red flag at the bulls. Oh and "moooooo"
Third, best way is to hop in a taxi and say "Ching Dao Fuhao Joe Dian" & for goodness sake please make sure that the taxi meter is on. Its no more than RmB10 from the Miraton or Hui Hua.
Fourth, its a waste of time going to a KTV by yourself
Fifth, if you can't pronounce the transliterated sentence in point three why are you coming to CP ?
Sixth, phone numbers or cell phones cannot be posted on the Board threads only sent via PM which comes with a subscription (sorry but refer back to point two and you'll see how this comes across)

Finally, if you do come then I wish you a safe and fun time. You will learn lots and have a very cultural insight into the heart of little town China. Who knows you may even bring a little something back from China too ?

\W the grotesque


Dear Gentlemen,

I'll have a long flight from canada to changping (Hong Kong) at the end of this comming feb. I have lots of interests in Plutocrat (Fuhao).

I have failed to find out some geographical information on Plutocrat (Fuhao).

Any information on location or phone number or mammie's cell phone number will be appreciated. Thanks.

Happy new year!

Wapec
01-13-09, 15:58
Yes more than enough ! Its bloody torture this persona you're trying out. Couldn't take a PERMANENT CHANGE.

Give me xiao fei in future there are no bonuses this year due to the financial meltdown. I am a registered charity so will be tax deductible too!!!



OK guys – OWL enough??!! Enough details?? Enough juicy details??

.................... (and don’t ask me how much xiao fei I gave her – none of your business!!)

OldAsiaHand
01-14-09, 02:49
ALL

Is it just me or is there more willingness for the gals to provide CIM ? Its almost become a regular feature of my recent two pop sessions. Before it was really really really tough to find a gals to provide first time out.

\W

W,

In saunas, as was the case with your last 2 pop session, the predominance of CIM is much higher. We opted for the BBBJTC package wherein CIM is the specialty. That said, I did have one girl in the same establishment in the past that did not.

In some areas where SW are used to providing BBBJTC in a vehicle, the predominance of CIM is also high to avoid making a mess of your car. Be careful though, it is not always guaranteed either.

With BBS and KTV girls, the chance is still much lower unless you specify your preferences in advance. However, there are BBS in Shanghai that only provide BBBJCIM.

All that said, I have noticed an increase of BBBJ offered across the board over the years. One provider told me that many local mongers are now asking for it since porn has become available in China. I like the "New, Improved" version much better!

Just my POV.

OAH

Freepeaks
01-14-09, 17:47
W,

In saunas, as was the case with your last 2 pop session, the predominance of CIM is much higher. We opted for the BBBJTC package wherein CIM is the specialty. That said, I did have one girl in the same establishment in the past that did not.OAH

When you say BBBJTC to you mean swallow? Seems the sprint and spit in the bathroom is standard operating procedure. I think I've only had one swallow at Sauna. CIM is definitely harder to obtain for laowei, most KTV girls only BBBJ for short time, and BBS girls are the same but more compliant. Sauna can be set ahead with mommie, so that it is guaranteed, but spitting during the act is often a complete turnoff.

Mommies at BBS are unreliable and will say anything to get you to choose, sometimes the girls are honest, sometimes they are desperate and figure they can use their chinese wile to get out of it later.

OldAsiaHand
01-15-09, 02:23
When you say BBBJTC to you mean swallow? Seems the sprint and spit in the bathroom is standard operating procedure. I think I've only had one swallow at Sauna. CIM is definitely harder to obtain for laowei, most KTV girls only BBBJ for short time, and BBS girls are the same but more compliant. Sauna can be set ahead with mommie, so that it is guaranteed, but spitting during the act is often a complete turnoff.

Mommies at BBS are unreliable and will say anything to get you to choose, sometimes the girls are honest, sometimes they are desperate and figure they can use their chinese wile to get out of it later.

Freepeaks,

A click on the Abbreviations link above will reveal a wealth of knowledge on acronyms. BBBJTCWS includes swallowing.

You are correct. Swallowing is very rare among China providers. If they do not run to the bathroom, they will spit into a tissue nearby. That said, the more saunas you visit, the better the chances.

BBBJTCWF is even more rare. I have only found this twice in all the Chinese girls I have done. One farm fresh arrival in CP and another veteran SW in GZ. When I ask the mommies for it, they look at me like I am a perverted monster. Most of the Mongolians in Beijing are game for it.

As I have previously posted, most BBS and KTV girls believe the purpose of a BJ is only to get you hard. Once this is accomplished, they expect you to stick in in.

I agree with you about the continuous spitting during a BJ. I have become accustomed to it in China, but it really does kill the experience. What pisses me off the most is when they just bend over the side of the bed and spit on the floor. I often wonder if they spit on their floor at home.

Most of the mommies are full of crap and will tell you whatever you want to hear. I did a girl from Lily aka Lisa last week. Lily told me how fantastic she was and that she would blow me for an hour. After less than 5 minutes BJ, she complained that her mouth hurt. FS wasn't much better. I had always heard good things about Lily's girls and have had good experience in the past. Now, I have my doubts.

Wadman will tell you that you should stick to the same mommy and you will get better service. I am not sure this applies all the time. I have been dealing with Hua Hua for 3-4 years. I try to take from her if she has anything doable but even then I have had my share of duds from her.

Just my POV.

OAH

Freepeaks
01-15-09, 05:06
Freepeaks,

BBBJTCWS includes swallowing.

When I ask the mommies for it, they look at me like I am a perverted monster.
OAH

I noticed you said they look at you 'like' you are a perverted monster. Hey let's call a spade a spade OAH. lol

Never noticed the abbreviations. The one I know is BBBJNQNS (no quit no spit).
That being said, I'be been fortunate for 3 WFs from repeat girls, although none were enthusiastic they allowed it.

Mommies always oversell the BJ, I think you are 100% on with the comment, the BJ is to get you hard. That is the chinese thinking. There are exceptions but a good BJ in china is harder to find than elsewhere.

Hell last trip we had one girl (me and another ISG member both had her) who gagged and dry heaved in bathroom for 10 minutes after a 1 min bj. LOL. I'm going to trick Joe into taking her to teach him a lesson. Not because he needs a lesson because it will be funny.

Wadman
01-15-09, 21:28
Most of the mommies are full of crap and will tell you whatever you want to hear. I did a girl from Lily aka Lisa last week. Lily told me how fantastic she was and that she would blow me for an hour. After less than 5 minutes BJ, she complained that her mouth hurt. FS wasn't much better. I had always heard good things about Lily's girls and have had good experience in the past. Now, I have my doubts.

Wadman will tell you that you should stick to the same mommy and you will get better service. I am not sure this applies all the time. I have been dealing with Hua Hua for 3-4 years. I try to take from her if she has anything doable but even then I have had my share of duds from her.


OAH,

Sigh... As you said, my advice is that if you stick with 1 mommy, you get way better service. Since when have you ever stuck with 1 mommy? You like the shopping around experience way too much. You may have taken more girls from Huahua than any other mommy, but she wasn't your exclusive mommy (or even semi-exclusive).

Some mommies are better at their jobs than others. The nasty mommies tend to have good performing girls. If you are tight with such a mommy, the girl doesn't want you complaining to the mommy and having to face her wrath. Having said that, there is no 100% guarantee. Even the best/favourite mommies will deliver a dud every once in a while. With Lily's girls, I am batting about 90%, in terms of very good/great service.

SEA Joe's favourite mommy (Xue'er/Michelle) is way too timid with her girls => average service from them.

Showing the mommy some respect goes a long way. Underneath their tough exterior, BBS mommies have surprisingly fragile psyches. Their everyday relationships are almost all adversarial: with their girls, other mommies, a lot of their customers, other "regular" people in CP. Surely this must wear on them, especially in a society where "face" and proper procedures are so highly valued.

The girl I took from Lily's shop today was very good. Nice long 15 minute BJ, screwing in just about all positions, and then another long BJ with CIM to finish it off. She hinted afterwards that she doesn't want me to take her again, too demanding. We saw the same girl in the nightmarket later that night.

The girl I got from the nightmarket on the other hand was a bust. Cute, skinny girl with surprisingly big tits, but a total deadfish. She was tight too, so couldn't last that long.

Santa
01-17-09, 04:33
On the eve of Santa's return, the question on everybody's mind is ..... will the dynamic duo of Wapec-Santa wreak their revenge and finally have their way with the dastardly SEAJ?

SEAJ, my advice is be afraid, friend .... be very afraid.

Now knock it off Cappy, you damn troublemaker! I just about had enough of this shit! Wapec and I would never gangup against our good friend Gentleman Joe, would we Wapec?

By the way, what's this stupid rumour I keep hearing about Joe becoming the number one BSD and giving N series Nokias to the bbs gals. I know he wouldn't do a dumb thing like that, it would ruin his reputation. Hey Joe, say it aint so!

Signalizer
01-17-09, 07:12
I am thinking of making my first trip to HK and Dongguan in September. I am one of those guys that needs to have everything mapped out as far as expenses and where I'll be staying before I am comfortable. With that, what would be your best guess at the total dollar amount I would need for a week of solid mongering there? I got some advice to stay at the Miraton Hotel and like what the website shows. I will probably make one trip to Macau to 18 Sauna. About 3 days in HK and 2 in Dongguan. Any advice would be very appreciated. I am fairly new to the game as I only have 2 trips to CR under my belt.

Thanks in advance for any advice given.

Signalizer
01-17-09, 07:22
I am thinking of making my first trip to HK and Dongguan in September. I am one of those guys that needs to have everything mapped out as far as expenses and where I'll be staying before I am comfortable. With that, what would be your best guess at the total dollar amount I would need for a week of solid mongering there? I got some advice to stay at the Miraton Hotel and like what the website shows. I will probably make one trip to Macau to 18 Sauna. About 3 days in HK and 2 in Dongguan. Any advice would be very appreciated. I am fairly new to the game as I only have 2 trips to CR under my belt.

Thanks in advance for any advice given.

OldAsiaHand
01-17-09, 07:41
Now knock it off Cappy, you damn troublemaker! I just about had enough of this shit! Wapec and I would never gangup against our good friend Gentleman Joe, would we Wapec?

By the way, what's this stupid rumour I keep hearing about Joe becoming the number one BSD and giving N series Nokias to the bbs gals. I know he wouldn't do a dumb thing like that, it would ruin his reputation. Hey Joe, say it aint so!

Joe is no cheapskate. He only gives Vertu mobile phones to the BBS gals. Nothing less than the best from that BSD.

In fact, when Wadman and I were looking in the Night Market the other night, we couldn't find his girl. The mommy said something about the girl retiring on what SEAJ had paid her.

Just my POV.

OAH

Wadman
01-17-09, 08:08
The BBS girl from Lily's shop (in ChangPing) did ask me for 150 rmb afterwards (100 prepaid to mommy, so 250 total). She did it in a nice, polite way. Suggested I (or she) call the mommy because she doesn't want to get into trouble for collecting 100 instead of 150. Which I did. Mommy and girl quickly sorted it out, and both apologized profusely afterwards (yeah, right...) claiming it was all a mistake in communincation on their part, etc.

This is happening more and more with BBS girls in the Yalan area, asking for 250 total. Since it's so systemic, I am guessing it's driven by the mommies. It makes no sense really since Yalan BBS's already charge more than elsewhere.

The correct, non-BSD, prices in ChangPing are:
Yalan BBSs: 200 rmb for ST, 500 for LT
BBS on second floor of Swanlake hotel: 200ST, an extra 100 if you get them to sit in the KTV first.
BBSs in backalleys behind HuiMei hotel 150 ST, 400 LT
Nightmarket BBS: 130 ST, 300 LT (although girls are generally not keen to do LT for 300)

If your hotel isn't close to the BBS where you took the girl from, it's reasonable and expected to give her taxi money. 10 rmb (in CP) is more than enough.

Shenzhen: BBSs are 130/150 ST, LT depends on time of day and place
Elsewhere in DongGuan: usually 130 ST, 400 LT

Wadman
01-17-09, 08:24
Joe is no cheapskate. He only gives Vertu mobile phones to the BBS gals. Nothing less than the best from that BSD.

In fact, when Wadman and I were looking in the Night Market the other night, we couldn't find his girl. The mommy said something about the girl retiring on what SEAJ had paid her.


There is another possibility. Apparently, SEA Joe dicked, diddled and dildoed her for a full 2 hours. Maybe she decided she can't take that kind of treatment anymore. She doesn't want be OWLed anymore, not even for a Nokia N-series phone.

Cappy
01-18-09, 01:51
Is that what I get for trying to stick up for my friend!

Wapec says I'm going to have to rub jasmine cream all over your nether regions when I see you. That's not true, is it?





Now knock it off Cappy, you damn troublemaker! I just about had enough of this shit! Wapec and I would never gangup against our good friend Gentleman Joe, would we Wapec?

By the way, what's this stupid rumour I keep hearing about Joe becoming the number one BSD and giving N series Nokias to the bbs gals. I know he wouldn't do a dumb thing like that, it would ruin his reputation. Hey Joe, say it aint so!

Wapec
01-18-09, 12:26
Jez OMG for CRISSAKES you pair give me a break ! Cappy you'll need to rub something cold, smooth & soothing on Santa he has been a bad boy with the worst gals. Whilst you're at it may as well get SEAJ to drop his pants bend over and give his ass a shave. I wouldn't go anywhere near his frontal regions even if deep frozen.

SEAJ any truth that you're donating your organs for medical research because you've developed special bovine based resistance ? Think its called "cow fookeritis" ?

\W


Is that what I get for trying to stick up for my friend!

Wapec says I'm going to have to rub jasmine cream all over your nether regions when I see you. That's not true, is it?

Wapec
01-18-09, 12:29
Yeah. There seems to be a try by the Mommies to have divergence pricing on the Swan Lake v Yalan BBS divide. With Swan Lake keeping to RmB200 while Yalan going for RmB250. Merchanise is of equal quality and availability both sides so do not be duped. We're into CNY & the silly season.

\W


The BBS girl from Lily's shop (in ChangPing) did ask me for 150 rmb afterwards (100 prepaid to mommy, so 250 total). She did it in a nice, polite way. Suggested I (or she) call the mommy because she doesn't want to get into trouble for collecting 100 instead of 150. Which I did. Mommy and girl quickly sorted it out, and both apologized profusely afterwards (yeah, right...) claiming it was all a mistake in communincation on their part, etc.

This is happening more and more with BBS girls in the Yalan area, asking for 250 total. Since it's so systemic, I am guessing it's driven by the mommies. It makes no sense really since Yalan BBS's already charge more than elsewhere.

The correct, non-BSD, prices in ChangPing are:
Yalan BBSs: 200 rmb for ST, 500 for LT
BBS on second floor of Swanlake hotel: 200ST, an extra 100 if you get them to sit in the KTV first.
BBSs in backalleys behind HuiMei hotel 150 ST, 400 LT
Nightmarket BBS: 130 ST, 300 LT (although girls are generally not keen to do LT for 300)

If your hotel isn't close to the BBS where you took the girl from, it's reasonable and expected to give her taxi money. 10 rmb (in CP) is more than enough.

Shenzhen: BBSs are 130/150 ST, LT depends on time of day and place
Elsewhere in DongGuan: usually 130 ST, 400 LT

Wapec
01-18-09, 12:40
confirm it is so ! I tried to flash this change in behaviour out before the Nokia incident but now its plain to see & out in the open. "BSD Wannabe" .... It could be just that he is getting on a bit now or that his soft heart is moved by the dire employment situation in CP or just that he wants her to set the Nokia to vibrate put it between her legs and think of her time with him ?

Went into the Old Banyan Tree on Saturday and it seemed to me that all nine of the gals had new Nokia's. Strangely they were all asking about SEAJ and when he would be coming back ...... Santa, Wheelock, Superforce99, Banana888 did you see it too ?

Its a sad cold day when the gathering dull clouds of depression descend on a fallen mentor, esteemed friend and piaoke coach. SEA "BSD" J is a pale shadow of the legend that was the CP operator !!!

\W


By the way, what's this stupid rumour I keep hearing about Joe becoming the number one BSD and giving N series Nokias to the bbs gals. I know he wouldn't do a dumb thing like that, it would ruin his reputation. Hey Joe, say it aint so!

Wapec
01-18-09, 12:50
Group hug moment as I'm suffering from withdrawal symptoms ....

Great to meet up with and hang out with Santa, SEAJ, Wheelock, Superforce, Bananna, Mr. Ph, Mr. LED, Gyni 3hrs, and a whole bunch of others. Kingpin was welcomed and put back on his throne :) Hope he looks after my gals ?

My abiding memory is of Rudolph Red Rash doing the 100 yard dash (yeah he bloody well was running like Ben Johnson but on Vit. V) down Baby's alley with an ear to ear grin shouting don't choose without me !!!

Another heroic event.

Gong xi fa cai ! (SEAJ just for you - Keung Hei Fat Choi !)
\W

Playboy2000
01-19-09, 01:05
All the info you need is in these forums and other forums. You just need to spend a an evening reading them. How much you spend in Changping depends on your style of mongering. You can stay at the Lucky and do two BBS girls for under $100 a day. Or you gan stay at the Hui Hua, do one sauna girl and one overnight KTV girl for about $400 a day. HK is significantly more expensive, particularly for lodging.

Once you have a ticket in hand, and have done your own solid research, we can give more advice.



I am thinking of making my first trip to HK and Dongguan in September. I am one of those guys that needs to have everything mapped out as far as expenses and where I'll be staying before I am comfortable. With that, what would be your best guess at the total dollar amount I would need for a week of solid mongering there? I got some advice to stay at the Miraton Hotel and like what the website shows. I will probably make one trip to Macau to 18 Sauna. About 3 days in HK and 2 in Dongguan. Any advice would be very appreciated. I am fairly new to the game as I only have 2 trips to CR under my belt.

Thanks in advance for any advice given.

Santa
01-19-09, 03:02
First, about SEA Joe becoming a BSD and handing out cellphones, I know it aint so. Joe is my hero and mentor, I know he would never become a BSD. You guys must be pulling my leg.

Did a chickenrun with Cappy and Weelock last night and found half of the shops were closed and the others had only a few gals. Mommies checking the street before we were allowed to exit. They told us the area had another police raid. Damn!

Or maybe the gals are just hiding now that Cappy and Weelock are in town. Those two look like they came out of a horror movie.

Anyway, it's getting to be pretty quiet around here now, so I'm off to Thailand this weekend with a few others.

SE Asia Joe
01-19-09, 06:52
OAH,

Sigh... As you said, my advice is that if you stick with 1 mommy, you get way better service.
Some mommies are better at their jobs than others. The nasty mommies tend to have good performing girls. If you are tight with such a mommy, the girl doesn't want you complaining to the mommy and having to face her wrath. Having said that, there is no 100% guarantee. Even the best/favourite mommies will deliver a dud every once in a while. With Lily's girls, I am batting about 90%, in terms of very good/great service.

SEA Joe's favourite mommy (Xue'er/Michelle) is way too timid with her girls => average service from them.

Showing the mommy some respect goes a long way. Underneath their tough exterior, BBS mommies have surprisingly fragile psyches. Their everyday relationships are almost all adversarial: with their girls, other mommies, a lot of their customers, other "regular" people in CP. Surely this must wear on them, especially in a society where "face" and proper procedures are so highly valued.
.
Welllll...... Actually Xuer is YOUR favorite mommie - not mine. I really don';t have any favorite mommies at all as I tend to look at all of them with a high degree of suspicion and do not trust any of them. I may be a bit nicer to Xuer following your lead - but I also know - and have quite forcefully told her just last week - that our relationship is first and foremost - professional.

In fact, Xuer gave me a piece of crap last Friday - Ting Ting is her name by the way - that should not even have tried to be a BBS gal at all. She was trying to pull off that shit that she is actually a Manhattan KTV gal and......... I don't do this don't do that. Total piece of crap. Only I wouldn't take that shit and gave it to her good before I threw her out.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-19-09, 07:03
First, about SEA Joe becoming a BSD and handing out cellphones, I know it aint so. Joe is my hero and mentor, I know he would never become a BSD. You guys must be pulling my leg.

Did a chickenrun with Cappy and Weelock last night and found half of the shops were closed and the others had only a few gals. Mommies checking the street before we were allowed to exit. They told us the area had another police raid. Damn!

Or maybe the gals are just hiding now that Cappy and Weelock are in town. Those two look like they came out of a horror movie.

Anyway, it's getting to be pretty quiet around here now, so I'm off to Thailand this weekend with a few others.
Awww come on - Santa, OAH and Bill were the guys who got me to first come out to CP. So no chance that I could even aspire to be any kind of mentor or anything even remotely close to you guys.

And as far as this story about the Nokia etc - hell - this story's taken a whole life of its own I say. Weird and wonderful how its evolved all by its own!
And I just sit back and see how it evolves - like sitting back and watching a movie I say!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-19-09, 10:01
Great to meet up with and hang out with Santa, SEAJ, Wheelock, Superforce, Bananna, Mr. Ph, Mr. LED, Gyni 3hrs, and a whole bunch of others. Another heroic event.

Gong xi fa cai ! \W
WHAT IS ALL THIS??? I count at least a dozen of us regulars - if not more. Your above list omitted Wadman, OAH, Philty, my 2 non-ISG, BSD buddies, Cpexpat, SlowerBetter, SurferNoah, Taiwan Ray, Cappy (??? Was he there?).... and whoever else???!!

We actually had more ISG guys come to CP last week-end compared to other times in recent memory. And it's one week before CNY when the pickins' are actually quite crap.

I guess everybody wanted to welcome Santa and Weelock (Weelock?? What?? You sure??) back home!!

SEAJ

Wadman
01-19-09, 10:24
Welllll...... Actually Xuer is YOUR favorite mommie - not mine. I really don';t have any favorite mommies at all as I tend to look at all of them with a high degree of suspicion and do not trust any of them. I may be a bit nicer to Xuer following your lead - but I also know - and have quite forcefully told her just last week - that our relationship is first and foremost - professional.


Haha! She USED to be my favourite mommy. Not anymore. When we walk up towards her shop and she sees us, who does she grab and hug now? Yes, that's right, it's you, Joe!

When she (somehow) figures out we are in town, who does she call now? Yep, that would be you again, Joe. Keep up the good work, it saves me the trouble of dealing with her.



In fact, Xuer gave me a piece of crap last Friday - Ting Ting is her name by the way - that should not even have tried to be a BBS gal at all. She was trying to pull off that shit that she is actually a Manhattan KTV gal and......... I don't do this don't do that. Total piece of crap. Only I wouldn't take that shit and gave it to her good before I threw her out.


Well, that's why I don't like taking girls from her anymore. Unless I see a really goodlooking one. Which I would for looks, not service.

SE Asia Joe
01-19-09, 10:30
You can stay at the Lucky and do two BBS girls for under $100 a day. Or you gan stay at the Hui Hua, do one sauna girl and one overnight KTV girl for about $400 a day.

Funny how you would use the Lucky as being the low end (You're gonna get a lot of Lucky Guys get pissed off at you!!) - whilst there are lots of other places in CP at the RMB hundred and even teens available. Gals? The catacombs starts off at RMB 30, night market 130 for FS, never mind the HJ places!!

And the High end - Hui Hua?? Howabout the Crown prince, The Goodview Garden etc - both for accomodation as well as gals? Even the Miraton is more expensive actually.

SEAJ

Wadman
01-19-09, 10:53
OK, alright, let me give you some pointers for ChangPing.

Hotel room
High end: 350-450 rmb (HuiHua, Miraton)
Low end: 130-160 (HuaYu, old section of Swanlake hotel)

KTV (booze=room bill)
High end: 500 and up per person
Low end: 200 per person
This depends on how much you drink, and how many buddies you have sharing the bill.

KTV (girls)
High end: 2-5-8 = 200 sitting fee, 500 ST, 800 LT (HuiHua, Miraton, HuiMei, Virgin, JiaYi, etc)
Low end: 1-3-6 (Swanlake KTV)

Sauna
High end: 550-600 (HuiHua, HuiMei, Virgin, etc)
Low end: 250-400

BBS
Yalan area BBSs: 200 ST, 500 LT
HuiMei backalley BBSs: 150/400
Nightmarket: 130/300
Plus taxi money coming and going if your hotel isn't real close.

Foot massage: 40-50 per hour
Body massage: 80-160 for 90 minutes

Food
High end: 100-200 per person
Low end: 20-30

Taxis are cheap, about 10 rmb per ride if you stay within CP.

Cell phones
The ones Santa buys for himself: 100-200 rmb
The ones SEA Joe buys for BBS girls: 3000 and up

So, if you wanna know how much it will cost, just figure out what you plan to do and use the price guide above.

If you are new to China and don't speak the language, somebody is going to rip you off somewhere and sometime. It's almost a given. So factor that cost in too.



I am thinking of making my first trip to HK and Dongguan in September. I am one of those guys that needs to have everything mapped out as far as expenses and where I'll be staying before I am comfortable. With that, what would be your best guess at the total dollar amount I would need for a week of solid mongering there? I got some advice to stay at the Miraton Hotel and like what the website shows. I will probably make one trip to Macau to 18 Sauna. About 3 days in HK and 2 in Dongguan. Any advice would be very appreciated. I am fairly new to the game as I only have 2 trips to CR under my belt.

Thanks in advance for any advice given.

Old Mean Dog
01-19-09, 12:54
It was good to see Dear Old Santa back! CP is worth going back too, even if it's just for a look-see and a footie.

Joe, next time we can do lunch or dinner. I was just pressed for time to catch the last train to SZ.

-CPE

BTW: The shops look decent and I really liked Santa's Ming Dynasty girl.


WHAT IS ALL THIS??? I count at least a dozen of us regulars - if not more. Your above list omitted Wadman, OAH, Philty, my 2 non-ISG, BSD buddies, Cpexpat, SlowerBetter, SurferNoah, Taiwan Ray, Cappy (??? Was he there?).... and whoever else???!!

We actually had more ISG guys come to CP last week-end compared to other times in recent memory. And it's one week before CNY when the pickins' are actually quite crap.

I guess everybody wanted to welcome Santa and Weelock (Weelock?? What?? You sure??) back home!!

SEAJ

Wapec
01-19-09, 16:20
SEAJ
Alright already ...... big sloppy french kiss to all I missed before.
I'm getting older and the memory is slipping.
Yeah we were all wearing our bleeding hearts on our arms for Santa red rash & Wheelock (have you dyed your hair yet ?). Or was it jam juice from gals on the rag ? I forget now.
Santa
TRAITOR !!! :) Be afraid my friend be very afraid.
Cappy
Get him :( My job will not be done until he is terrorised. Let the hounds of hell loose with the wrath of Lucifer.
\W


WHAT IS ALL THIS??? I count at least a dozen of us regulars - if not more. Your above list omitted Wadman, OAH, Philty, my 2 non-ISG, BSD buddies, Cpexpat, SlowerBetter, SurferNoah, Taiwan Ray, Cappy (??? Was he there?).... and whoever else???!!

We actually had more ISG guys come to CP last week-end compared to other times in recent memory. And it's one week before CNY when the pickins' are actually quite crap.

I guess everybody wanted to welcome Santa and Weelock (Weelock?? What?? You sure??) back home!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-20-09, 06:25
SEAJ
Alright already ...... big sloppy french kiss to all I missed before.
I'm getting older and the memory is slipping.
Yeah we were all wearing our bleeding hearts on our arms for Santa red rash & Wheelock (have you dyed your hair yet ?). Or was it jam juice from gals on the rag ? I forget now.
Santa
TRAITOR !!! :) Be afraid my friend be very afraid.
Cappy
Get him :( My job will not be done until he is terrorised. Let the hounds of hell loose with the wrath of Lucifer.
\W

Will you please quit writing all this cryptic diatribe? I don't understand what you are going on and on about and I betcha not many here does either - plus of course I double betcha that nobody here cares!

So just go back to sleep and let peace previal in our lands!

SEAJ

Cappy
01-20-09, 06:40
Pinkawa!
You don't pay no never mind to SEAJ. You are sorely misunderunderstood Wapec. I undertood every word you said. (peace & love always!)

Anyone ever had a GFEHJ? I had one last night... phhhhhwow!
Details by PM if you're good ... or on my own soon to arrive personal cappy-thread.

Last day in CP. It's been great seeing everybody and meeting some news non-BSD's. There's been lots of give and take, helpful people and then there's Santa..

It's been an honor to be a wingman.
tweet!


SEAJ
Santa
TRAITOR !!! :) Be afraid my friend be very afraid.
Cappy
Get him :( My job will not be done until he is terrorised. Let the hounds of hell loose with the wrath of Lucifer.
\W


Will you please quit writing all this cryptic diatribe? I don't understand what you are going on and on about and I betcha not many here does either - plus of course I double betcha that nobody here cares!

So just go back to sleep and let peace previal in our lands!

SE Asia Joe
01-20-09, 06:45
Pinkawa!
You don't pay no never mind to SEAJ. You are sorely misunderunderstood Wapec. I undertood every word you said. (peace & love always!)



DITTO...DITTO....///

Will you please quit writing all this cryptic diatribe? I don't understand what you are going on and on about and I betcha not many here does either - plus of course I double betcha that nobody here cares!

So just go back and freeze and let peace previal in our lands!

SEAJ

DITTO....DITTO

Wapec
01-20-09, 14:56
Heard from others that the LE have started raiding the CP BBS .... Anybody got more first hand details to share ?

Time to pay up so the LE can have a New Year bonus, I suppose.

\W

Maztermac
01-21-09, 05:19
In CP right now. The BBS scene near HuiMei is pretty much dead now. Walk down the strip a couple of times not one mamasan/runner in sight.

Guess I'll have go to JinDeLi

Maztermac


Heard from others that the LE have started raiding the CP BBS .... Anybody got more first hand details to share ?

Time to pay up so the LE can have a New Year bonus, I suppose.

\W

Old Mean Dog
01-21-09, 06:59
Heard from others that the LE have started raiding the CP BBS .... Anybody got more first hand details to share ?

Time to pay up so the LE can have a New Year bonus, I suppose.

\W

Same shit, different year.

Do they still have the "Pie Wagons"?

-CPE

Santa
01-22-09, 04:59
Cappy had to fly away and was broken-hearted, all teary eyed and depressed. He fell in love with a bbs gal and was tempted to give her a giant tip, but fortunately reason prevailed after an exchange of text messages. Amazing what a pretty face and good blowjob can do to a fella. He was talking about cancelling his flights and business appointments. Cappy is another romantic!

SE Asia Joe is now on my must watch list. If I catch him handing out Nokias or wads of cash there will be hell to pay. I'll force him to consume chinese cookies and milk as penance, and confess his nasty conduct to the high priests and distinguished members of this board.

Me afraid Wapec? What ya gonna do, beat me with a bunch of shamrocks and make fun of my red knob?

Yeh, the foxy cops had their usual pre-holiday chickenshop raids, but i don't think they collected much this year since most of the birds had already abandoned their coops.

Cappy
01-22-09, 19:46
As if Wapec and SEAJ don't have enough to make fun of me about...



Cappy had to fly away and was broken-hearted, all teary eyed and depressed. He fell in love with a bbs gal and was tempted to give her a giant tip, but fortunately reason prevailed after an exchange of text messages. Amazing what a pretty face and good blowjob can do to a fella. He was talking about cancelling his flights and business appointments.
Cappy is another romantic!

Santa
01-23-09, 14:55
Well, she really was a fine looking woman and by all accounts gave a fine performance. What fella wouldn't go all googoo over a gal like that, and then not want to leave.

Glad you hit the jackpot on your final night.

Santa
01-24-09, 05:35
I'm told that SEA Joe sniffs around in the girls panties and then gives her a math quiz before fucking her. He asks her such questions as "how many days are equal to a billion seconds?" At least that's what I was told by his friends who were laughing about it at breakfast today.

Joe, if she is a stinky poo try washing her with Lysol.

But Joe, what does the math quiz do? I don't understand, please explain. I think I'm missing something here. Maybe you should ask her "how many dollars does a new Nokia cost?" I bet that one will get her sexually excited! :D

Cappy
01-24-09, 06:39
Well, it's a definite possiblity.
The Chinese embassy says that taking a 18 year pixie old out of the country is quite doable.

She wants to come. She's already told me that she doesn't mind the cold.

She's r-e-a-l-l-y into me, guys!




Glad you hit the jackpot on your final night.

Ckckck
01-27-09, 10:19
I was in DG for a few days prior to the CNY. The water had this foul sewage smell to it.

Question - I notice that most girls do not like their nipples licked excessively. I am wondering whether it is a sanitary issue. One girl told me that it tickled. Another told me that if you stimulate that area, the nipples will get bigger and darker. I don't think it is me (I hope). Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Sharka
01-28-09, 02:16
One of my friends (also WSG member) was telling me about his adventures in CP 3 years ago and about a place called the catacombs. I am planning to go to CP/SZ in about Oct-Nov.

Any idea if the catacomb still exist or have all the raids during these times finally shut them down? if still around, whats the current rates?

Thanks

Shark

Mmlouie
01-28-09, 02:44
Question - I notice that most girls do not like their nipples licked excessively. I am wondering whether it is a sanitary issue. One girl told me that it tickled. Another told me that if you stimulate that area, the nipples will get bigger and darker. I don't think it is me (I hope). Any thoughts would be appreciated.Dude, that is the only foreplay that china women will get from their s/o. if that at all!!!

Manfest
01-28-09, 05:06
--cut--Question - I notice that most girls do not like their nipples licked excessively. I am wondering whether it is a sanitary issue. One girl told me that it tickled. Another told me that if you stimulate that area, the nipples will get bigger and darker. I don't think it is me (I hope). Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Haha, it is pretty simple. You are the tenth guy groping and licking her nipple that day, so it gets sensitive and sore! :)
Just an occupational hazard! You're paying her, you do whatever you like.

Signalizer
01-28-09, 09:00
Thanks for the help Wadman. That is the kind of info I was looking for. As I stated, I am the type of guy that likes to plan things to death before I go. Hell, I planned my first trip to Costa Rica for a year before I went. Nothing but reading the boards and asking advice when I could not find the subject.

As far as getting ripped off. I expect it to some extent so I usually add that into my calculations. Once again, thanks for the help.


OK, alright, let me give you some pointers for ChangPing.

Hotel room
High end: 350-450 rmb (HuiHua, Miraton)
Low end: 130-160 (HuaYu, old section of Swanlake hotel)

KTV (booze=room bill)
High end: 500 and up per person
Low end: 200 per person
This depends on how much you drink, and how many buddies you have sharing the bill.

KTV (girls)
High end: 2-5-8 = 200 sitting fee, 500 ST, 800 LT (HuiHua, Miraton, HuiMei, Virgin, JiaYi, etc)
Low end: 1-3-6 (Swanlake KTV)

Sauna
High end: 550-600 (HuiHua, HuiMei, Virgin, etc)
Low end: 250-400

BBS
Yalan area BBSs: 200 ST, 500 LT
HuiMei backalley BBSs: 150/400
Nightmarket: 130/300
Plus taxi money coming and going if your hotel isn't real close.

Foot massage: 40-50 per hour
Body massage: 80-160 for 90 minutes

Food
High end: 100-200 per person
Low end: 20-30

Taxis are cheap, about 10 rmb per ride if you stay within CP.

Cell phones
The ones Santa buys for himself: 100-200 rmb
The ones SEA Joe buys for BBS girls: 3000 and up

So, if you wanna know how much it will cost, just figure out what you plan to do and use the price guide above.

If you are new to China and don't speak the language, somebody is going to rip you off somewhere and sometime. It's almost a given. So factor that cost in too.

Sex Lover
01-28-09, 12:54
Hi to all the seniors,

I am planning my 1st trip to China, possible Chang Ping, Zhu Hai or ShenZhen. Either one of this places. Still not sure which one to go.

I have some sex preferences needed advice from senior bros, on where to get it and the cost. Hope some senior bros can give me some advices or tips.

Hearing all the bro saying in the forum on heaven adventure in China. I want to have that tooo. Girls girls girls. Coooool.

Fantasy:

2 young above average big boobs girls for threesome, hopefully bisexual and both trying to compete to service me well. For overnight.

Scenario:

Choose 2 young above average big boobs girls from different places/mamasan/papasan/karaoke/massage. To create some competitive to service me well to get some extra tips.

Stay overnight with me. Sex all night. I know some girls do act on some lesbianism (girls might not necessary lesbian to do so, had once in kuala lumpur Malaysia once). Just acting. Best if they are into it lah. Hehe

If great possible extend the nights.

How much would it cost? If any bro know, can share please. Thanks.

Chang Ping more girls and happening than Zhu hai and Shen Zhen?

Old Mean Dog
01-29-09, 05:17
Fantasy:

2 young above average big boobs girls for threesome, hopefully bisexual and both trying to compete to service me well. For overnight.



As you stated, merely a fantasy. We have a tough enough time just getting a girl to give us head, having them rug munch is out of the question. You can certainly order 2 or more girls at a time, but in my experience forgot about the hot bisexual sex, because the other will just lay there, watch TV or have a little nap.

If you must be in China, suggest you go to Hong Kong or possibly Macau, but otherwise, you are better off going to the PI or Thailand.

-CPE

Freepeaks
01-29-09, 06:58
You'd need divine intervention and since God isn't allowed in China you are SOL.

Yeah the two girl fantasy experience will not happen unless you find Thais/Phillipinos in Shanghai/Shenzhen or definitely can find in Hong Kong but for a price.

Maybe macau but I doubt it.

Just go to Thailand or PI directly and you won't have a problem. Better than being disappointed. for those of us that have tried it you'll find that the girls don't even like being around each other in threesome. they will come to room and do it and comply but won't touch each other sexually. somehow having them alone somtimes makes them feel special and if you have the other girl it immediately reminds them of their job which they may not like.

good luck.

Bc8000
01-29-09, 07:34
..... for those of us that have tried it you'll find that the girls don't even like being around each other in threesome. they will come to room and do it and comply but won't touch each other sexually. somehow having them alone somtimes makes them feel special and if you have the other girl it immediately reminds them of their job which they may not like.

good luck.Right on the nose, Freepeaks. In China, the girls will suggest, even sell you SUANG-FEI, TRI-FEI, QUAD-FEI, HUANGTi-FEI to lighten their load and for "sisterhood" sakes. Well the latter means, sometimes they are obliged to get a trainee in with them as a quota. The closest action without hesitation is.-#1 will nipple tease, #2 will blow. Once you start the condom action, the other literally retire to the sofa/bathroom/ far end of the bed or whatever. Then when I was done with #1, now take a shower, then prepare a fresh cap with #2. What pissed me off is the girl who suggested + persuaded + sold me to the double now complains we are going to be out of time. What! 25 mins remain in the 90 mins.

Outcome was total dejection. Starfish time, they would simply look the other way.- their attitude took a 180.

Nope, it is not double the pleasure (not in China) IMHO.

Go Get Some (one-on-ones)

Bc8000

SE Asia Joe
01-29-09, 07:49
Yup - got a bit of S&M last week!
Of late, I've noticed that there are quite a few more older/experienced gals at the SWL - and by older, I mean its 22 or 23 instead of the usual 18 or so that's par for the course in the CP BBS's. These gals are actually ex-2/5/8 KTV gals who comes up blank too many nights at these higher priced venues and who figures that its easier to get "picked" because of the lower price at the SWL (Yup - business is THAT bad in CP these days!). Better to make a hundred bucks a pop - hopefully at least once or twice a day - instead of sitting around hoping to get picked...and ending up blank at the end of too many evenings!

Anyway, I chose Xiao Gun - a tall 22 YO Hebei native who speaks good Cantonese as she's been in Guangdong for 6 years, 2 of which as a xiao jie - to sit with me at the KTV. I found out that she's really good a lot under her belt and was really looking forward to getting 'good service' later on - and then noticed that not only was she a "cutter" from the cut-welts that she tried to cover up with a series of tatoos, but was also a "burner" as I noticed fresh cigarette burns on her arm. Hmmmmm.... I thought!! But what the heck, she was a lot of fun at the KTV and I did enjoy my evening and figured that I need to be extra gentle with her tonight if I was to get "full mileage" out of her. Lots of these more experienced gals, when treated extra nice and as a regular person, will respond in kind with genuine feelings; That coupled with all the "tricks of the game' that they've got up their sleeves USUALLY translates into a superior GFE and action packed session!!

Anyway,, back in the room, everything was going according to plans and she was really giving of herself instead of just performing..... well, at least that's what I think!! Then, thinking about her "probable" need for pain to experience pleasure (as evidenced by the cutting and burning), I decided to give her a light slap on her butt as she was coming whilst riding me cowboy style - and WHAM, she intensified her grinding and bucking - which of course prompted me to continue and increase the force of the slaps I was administering on her butt as she propoprtionally reacted.

The harder I hit her, the more intense her climax seems to be coming over her in waves of shuddering and high pitched squeels! OH WOW - I've got myself an "M" (me being the "S!!") gal in China at last!! Not too many of 'em here I can assure you! I really went to market with her and she went along for the ride merrily and hungrily - and I mean, I had her going on vibrators, hard bites, being pinned down (damn, I wish I had some rope or whatever to have actually tied her down!) and of course slaps and force all over her body and whatever else I could think of doing (errr.... no I ain't all that experienced in S&M actually!!).

I actually spent a least a couple hours "doing her" - and please, please, don't burn/flame me for sounding as if I'm boasting that I can do her for that long. But that is what all the role playing and screwing and rubbing and hitting and sucking and squeezing and......... all took before I decided that I really couldn't - AND SHOULDN'T - do it for any longer. After all, I ain't no young jack rabbit no more and the ole ticker probably couldn't stand anymore!! Anyway, you guys KNOW that I was real satisfied with a Gun and of course I'll be back this week-end again to partake of her!!

Funnily though, the next morning I relayed my experience with A Gun to Slower Better and Surfer Noah (or have you decided to change your name on my suggestion into "Big Swinging Dave?"), and of course 5 pop a day SlowerBetter just had to do her that same afternoon! And guess what??!! He told me that he didn't do any S&M with her as he just could not get any reaction or favorable signs from her. Strange, really Strange!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-29-09, 08:06
Sorry - but I feel that I need to also give a "rider" to the last report I wrote; To NOT expect that you are going to find lots of Chinese gals who would enjoy S&M and more importantly, NOT to indiscriminately start trying S&M with unwilling participants.

You try that and the gal gets pissed off, and you WILL be on the receiving end of some unwelcome physical attention administered by their various boyfriends, mommas and mafoos!

S&M is definitely still considered a perversion in China - even by providers; this being so, you will for sure get your "just rewards" if you tried it and it back fires! So please be very careful before you try it - OK?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-29-09, 08:45
Another night and of course another experience!!

Us guys decided to go a bit more up-market the next night and went to the Hui Hua - (Oh OK OK, not exactly the Crown Prince or The Garden - but hell, certainly a step up from SWL!!). Reason being that this close to the CNY, and we were worried that there aint gonna be too much choice and figured that the selection will be a bit more decent at the Hui Hua.

As usual, I had my problems with insisting on a gal who could talk properly in Cantonese. Yeah Yeah, I know, I know... that since I've been going into China regulary for the past quarter of a century, that I should have picked up more Putonghua; but the fact of the matter is that I didn't and trying to keep up a conversation in Putonghua for a whole evening just takes away so much from the whole thing. Thus I do insist on having a fluent Bai Hua speaker when messing around in a KTV!

Anyway, settled on a little moon faced cutie who just didn't seem regular 2/5/8 KTV material but who nonetheless caught my attention as she was just so damn cute and trusting in her mannnerism etc. Found out that that night was only the second night at a KTV for A Dien.... and will be the first time that somebody will bring her out!! Damn.... a KTV virgin!! Hot ziggity do dah!!

Yeah, the dirty ole man in me swung into high gear and I did my best to "swoon her" or whatever it was that I did. All nice and airy and had a heck of a good seesion with her - even me going down on her!! something which I do not do with too many WG's - but I was very sure that what she told me - that she's NEVER been with a customer before - was true! On top of that, her xiao mei mei was just so sweet smelling and tasting!! Nice.... very nice!

////more////...

SE Asia Joe
01-29-09, 09:01
///continued//

Oh... her story. Actually a very dumb naive gal story. She got into arguments with her family who are all down in Dongguan working in a factory - and was even hit by her Dad. (they are from up-province Guangdong). All pissed off, a "friend" appeared and gave - yeah - gave her RMB 700 to just run away and take care of herself. This "friend" brought her to CP and kindly put her up with his friend. This 'friend of her friend" just happens to be a xiao Jie at Hui Hua... who manages to borrow an employe card from another xiaojie who had gone home for the CNY. and arranged for A Dien to work at the Hui Hua - and thus here she was!! with this F of a F periodically checking up on her throughout the whole evening!

And guess what? Her 'benefactor" had just told her that she now owes him RMB 2,000 instead of 700 for some stupid reason or another.... and that she has to pay him back the whole amount with some mildly spoken but definitely serious warning about the repercussions if she didn't pay back the damn 2,000. Jeez - I told her right away that this was all nonsense and that when she's paid him 2,000, there will be other demands from him and that she'll end up just giving all her money to him no matter how long she remains a Xiaojie.

Man, this guy's good!! A Dien told me that she never even 'did it' with him and that she has no romantic feelings or intentions with him - and yet here she is being pimped.

Usually I would give an extra 50-100 on top of the 500 Short term fee to a KTV gal, but this time around, I decided to give her a total 700 as I felt a bit sorry for her - plus I gave her an extra sweater I had, to put on as it was freezing last Friday! I told her that she's gotta leave this whole mess - if not that same night, then as soon as possible and just disappear from CP. Go to shenzhen, or Guangzhou or Houjioe or DGG city .... or wherever and do whatever is necessary to get a job WITHOUT having to give her hard earned money to this pimp. Whether as a factory worker again or a xiaojie - just that she must not let herself be under the control of a pimp.

This story is not over yet and I'm still in touch with her. I hope the best for this naive gal. And you cynical guys - stop it!! Stop it right now!! Even if she did con me - so what??! Its only an extra 200 - or rather an extra 100 from my usual price. So there!! It's always better to err on the side of charity than to be mean spirited - especially in this season of good cheer and felicitous New Year aspirations!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
01-29-09, 10:24
I'm told that SEA Joe sniffs around in the girls panties and then gives her a math quiz before fucking her. He asks her such questions as "how many days are equal to a billion seconds?" At least that's what I was told by his friends who were laughing about it at breakfast today.

Joe, if she is a stinky poo try washing her with Lysol.

But Joe, what does the math quiz do? I don't understand, please explain. I think I'm missing something here. Maybe you should ask her "how many dollars does a new Nokia cost?" I bet that one will get her sexually excited! :D
Santa..... don't you know that a billion seconds translates to +- 31.7 years?? and thats an American billion. If it was a Billion seconds in your Brit lingo, its actually 31,700 years!!
So what is this with your President B.O. wanting to spend 825 billion smackeroos? That's what....RMB 5.61 trillion??
Can you magine that amount in terms of the number of RMB200 BBS gals one can get - 28,050,000,000, yup 28.05 billion times. Never mind the RMB 30 catacomb gals!!

That's it!!! Prez. B. O. needs to legislate that everybody in this world buy themselves sex; that ought to get the world economy back on track.

SEAJ

Sex Lover
01-29-09, 11:06
As you stated, merely a fantasy. We have a tough enough time just getting a girl to give us head, having them rug munch is out of the question. You can certainly order 2 or more girls at a time, but in my experience forgot about the hot bisexual sex, because the other will just lay there, watch TV or have a little nap.

If you must be in China, suggest you go to Hong Kong or possibly Macau, but otherwise, you are better off going to the PI or Thailand.

-CPEThanks bro for the great advice.

Hong Kong. Any recommendation?

Playboy2000
01-29-09, 11:52
///continued//

This story is not over yet and I'm still in touch with her. I hope the best for this naive gal. And you cynical guys - stop it!! Stop it right now!! Even if she did con me - so what??! Its only an extra 200 - or rather an extra 100 from my usual price. So there!! It's always better to err on the side of charity than to be mean spirited - especially in this season of good cheer and felicitous New Year aspirations!

SEAJ

SEAJ, Once again a series of great reports. You are the Charles Bukowski of Changping! RT

Freepeaks
01-29-09, 21:26
Thanks bro for the great advice.
Hong Kong. Any recommendation?

Yeah try the Hong Kong forum. LOL

Sorry don't frequent there, but seriously try that forum there are people who know the scene. Seems people have alot of luck on afternoons rather than evenings in the known districts. Sunday afternoon is maid day off and alot of philippinos go to a few bars to have fun and make a little extra money.

They speak english so negotiation should be easy.

SE Asia Joe
01-30-09, 04:26
SEAJ, Once again a series of great reports. You are the Charles Bukowski of Changping! RT
OMIGAWD - how nice to even be compared to Charles Bukowski!!
I had to Actually wikipedia him to find out the flwg:
"..........Henry Charles Bukowski (August 16, 1920 – March 9, 1994), was a German American poet, novelist, and short story writer. Bukowski's writing was heavily influenced by the geography and atmosphere of his home city of Los Angeles, and is marked by an emphasis on the ordinary lives of marginalized poor American Whites, the act of writing, alcohol, relationships with women, the drudgery of work, and horseracing. A prolific author, Bukowski wrote thousands of poems, hundreds of short stories, and six novels, eventually having over 60 books in print. He is often remembered as "The Poet Laureate of Skid Row"......."

And after finding out about Charles Bukowski, I can definitely tell you that I am not in the same league at all - not even close!
Perhaps OWL is the only guy here who would think he can compare!

Funny - actually "alcohol, relationships with women, the drudgery of work and horse racing" pretty well describes me - but then again, I'm sure it describes lots of others!!

Anyway, thanks for the compliment - as undeserved as it is.

SEAJ

Santa
01-30-09, 19:57
That's it!!! Prez. B. O. needs to legislate that everybody in this world buy themselves sex; that ought to get the world economy back on track.

SEAJ

Finally, an economist with a solution!

Santa
01-30-09, 20:07
Hi to all the seniors,

I am planning my 1st trip to China,

Fantasy:

2 young above average big boobs girls for threesome, hopefully bisexual and both trying to compete to service me well. For overnight.

Scenario:

Choose 2 young above average big boobs girls from different places/mamasan/papasan/karaoke/massage. To create some competitive to service me well to get some extra tips.

Stay overnight with me. Sex all night. I know some girls do act on some lesbianism

Some of us China board guys are now having fun in Pattaya, Thailand. Here you can find what you are looking for. Four of us and our girls watched a lesbian show tonight and those girls are available and easy to find.

I have never seen it in China. Guys on the China board have reported that threesomes rarely work well in China.

Big Swingin Dave
01-31-09, 01:59
Hi All,

BSD here a. K. A. Big Swingin Dave. A big thanks for SEA Joe for giving me this handle. This is my first forum report and hopefully many more to come.

I am winding down my 3rd month stay in China and has had the pleasure of meeting many Dongguan regulars here, especially SEA Joe, Wadman, SlowerBetter, OAH, Weelock, Santa, and many others.

With the pleasantries out of the way, I experience a hilarious "first" last night at the expense of our fearless leader (FL), name to be withheld but you know who you are. With the Chinese New Year barely behind us many FOFM (Fresh off the Farm), FOFY (Fresh off the Factory) girls are back in town. Two haven't even finished their application at the PP KTV last night was plucked immediately from the pre-line up (Thanks to one of the regular PP Paton, we had special treatment). With limited Putonghua language skills, our FL was unable to select a suitable victim for the night and settled for one of the FOFM girl (let's just call her "Vanisha") with me landing the other FOFM girl (IMHO the best looking one out of 15+ girls in the room). Well to make a long story short, we have all witness the antics of our FL in many of the CP KTVs before and by the middle of the evening, his girl simply "vanished". No one had a clue where Vanisha went. Unfortunately for the rest of the girls in the room, they fell victims to FLs lack of TLC from Vanisha. 3 months being here, I have never seen any girls just simply took off on one of her customers. Haha, it must be the 40 year old cologne you were using FL.

Well, with my FOFM girl in toll for the evening, I also experienced a "first" last night. After taking a shower, I snuggle into bed and found my FOFM fully dressed in bed, she was definitely a KTV virgin so needless to say, she didn't rock my world but this girl is so HOT that she will be a pro in no time. I hope to see her again after she gets some CP seasoning on my next trip back.

I love CP especially being able to hang out with the Senior members of this board. It has truly been an honor!

BSD

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Playboy2000
01-31-09, 12:55
OMIGAWD - how nice to even be compared to Charles Bukowski!!
I had to Actually wikipedia him to find out the flwg:
"..........Henry Charles Bukowski (August 16, 1920 – March 9, 1994),
SEAJ

The comparison is with respect to writing styles rather than lifestyles. Also, I think you and Charles have similar outlooks on women. If you get a chance, order Bukowski's "Post Office" from Amazon. It is a very quick read.

El Greco
01-31-09, 20:02
Hi to all the seniors,

I am planning my 1st trip to China, possible Chang Ping, Zhu Hai or ShenZhen. Either one of this places. Still not sure which one to go.

I have some sex preferences needed advice from senior bros, on where to get it and the cost. Hope some senior bros can give me some advices or tips.

Hearing all the bro saying in the forum on heaven adventure in China. I want to have that tooo. Girls girls girls. Coooool.

Fantasy:

2 young above average big boobs girls for threesome, hopefully bisexual and both trying to compete to service me well. For overnight.

Scenario:

Choose 2 young above average big boobs girls from different places/mamasan/papasan/karaoke/massage. To create some competitive to service me well to get some extra tips.

Stay overnight with me. Sex all night. I know some girls do act on some lesbianism (girls might not necessary lesbian to do so, had once in kuala lumpur Malaysia once). Just acting. Best if they are into it lah. Hehe

If great possible extend the nights.

How much would it cost? If any bro know, can share please. Thanks.

Chang Ping more girls and happening than Zhu hai and Shen Zhen?


It seems that it will only remain a fantasy of yours unless you visit Rio, Buenos Aires, Bangkok, Pattaya or Angeles City. Those places I know they can provide that service.

Isn't that right China guys?

Thanks

SE Asia Joe
02-02-09, 04:38
The Goddess of Mongers.... yes, she can be a fickle biddy. Sometimes she shines on you and sometimes she shits on you!

And shat she did...on me... for the whole week-end! Ahh yes, but perhaps I did tempt fate a bit too much.

I should have known that things ain't gonna be great the first week of the CNY - Wadman even warned me!! But hey, I figured that if things ain't gonna be great, that there's gonna be less monger competition and that we'd have the whole field to ourselves!

First order of the day - a chicken run - and lo and behold, lotsa old AND new talent around, all eager to get picked. Noted down a least half a dozen do-able ones before I decided to go back to the SWL where 2 great gals I did before had really wanted me to pick 'em. Talked to the very pretty Cien Cien to come up right away for a ST and told A Gun to leave her evening open to accompany me for KTV that night, and was all ready to get things in motion when the momma told me - CNY - its 250 today!

WTF??!! 250?? WTF are you smoking?? Nope, 250! And she wouldn't budge - and of course I walked out. Mistake #1 - but hey, I've got others lined-up and figured that it's no big deal! And sure enuff, I ended up with Jen Jen from Baby's shop with the rock solid boobs and body.

Good enough session, but all she could talk about was how lousy business is these days and how she wishes she was back home for CNY... which of course put a bit of damper on the proceedings although it was still....OK. And just because, yup, "because"..... I paid her 250 instead of the usuall 200 plus 10 or 20!

Pent up energies released, I was looking forward to the rest of the week-end.

//.........more..........//

SE Asia Joe
02-02-09, 05:10
Yeh!!..... KTV to go all wild coming up.... with 8 other dedicated purveyors of CP talent... at PP's!! Gonna be a good night!

And as soon as i walked in, Big Swinging Dave pointed me to 2 great looking gals that he just knew I would take to and had reserved. New talent and one of 'em fluent in Cantonese. Just what the doctor ordered for a tired old soul like me! 9 guys, 16 or 17 gals plus 3 DJ's - man, I had a good time trying to get 'em all drunk, playing all sort of games, grabbing all 'em tits and trying to pull their panties down and see beavers! Until these li'l vixens decided that it was time for...revenge!! And man, they had me every which way and was trying to pull MY Pants.... and MY DIGNITY... all down! Put up a brave fight and was succeeding... sort of... until that overgrown, testoterone filled sex maniac Slower Better decided to join forces with the side who had in the past and would in the future provide him with lots more comfort. Hell, I ain't nuthin' but competition to SB and of course pants and shorts all came of with nothing but my palms protecting what little dignity I had left. Poor guy was all scared and cold and crumpled up in my own warm embrace. Poor poor guy.

And then..... Where the hell is Vanisha?? Huh, where did she go? WTF???
WHAAATT??? Never happened before. She'd disappeared - even without collecting her RMB200 sitting fee! Just like that! Poof! Gone! Vamoos!

Oh well, all's not lost - at least I saved 200 - or even 500 as I'd planned to ST her - and it was off to the Night market for the 130 specials. Just think - a whole RMB370 saved!

Terrible. Really really horrible selection there. And there must have only been 25 max up and down that whole street. I was just about ready to call it a night when what I thought was a vision of loveliness came sauntering from the top of the street, back from her latest assignment... and of course I whipped out my RMB30 right away.

Back in the glare of the lights of my bedroom, and only then did I notice all that.... hair!! Hair on her arms, hair on her legs and of course hair... lots of 'em...on her armpits! Off came her knickers and it was just a little tuft down there. Strange I thought, until I noticed that she had shaved most of the hair down there off!! A Chinese gal, shaving off her pussy hair - and of course the result is stubbles, knicks and cuts .... and whatever else!! And by whatever else, I mean - Do I know if its just shaving cuts or is she..... diseased??!! I HATE SHAVED PUSSY, ABSOLUTELY ABHOR THEM - and here I was with a gorrilla who had shaved most of her pussy off!! To her credit though, she WAS quite a good looking gal as a whole - so I decided - what the heck!!

Did her, paid her, threw her out and went to sleep.

///......more....//

SE Asia Joe
02-02-09, 05:38
Not exactly a sterling start to my week-end, but here it is a brand new day and I was ready to soldier on.

Phone calls after phone calls after phones calls did I make - and either their hand sets were turned off or they were still not back in CP. Blank! Completely lucked out for my morning pop. Could hardly believe it. Oh well! And before I knew it, it was already 11:30 and we were meeting up for dim sum at PP's at 12:30. And then Kuo Lie foned me!! Hey - Kuo Lie who I had ditched in favor of another gal in the past, and who I had promised I will take. And had foned me several times in the past couple weeks. All 172 cm of white skinned loveliness. A vegetarian. And what a nice name. How could I have neglected to call her earlier? YEAH!! Thank you Goddess, thank you!! Only there was no time for a pop before lunch - so I just told her to meet me at PP.

Nice, great looking and all fresh. Had a great lunch with lots of pawing and touching under the table whilst eating. Yup - I is gonna have me a good time in a while. Beautiful, sweet smelling, great moves - all that I expected and I was merrily pumping away until.....OH SHIT, The Goddess just shat on me again!! Blood on the sheets, blood on my pecker - Old Auntie was visiting the very embarrassed Kuo Lie. JEEZ!! All's not lost though, as we reverted to Plan B and she merrilly blowed me to completion! SO THERE Goddess!!

But really - ain't all that it should have been. Pity. Next week!

Plan C - chicken run - but it was not to be as I decided to just rest up before having a bit to eat and then KTV at Red Lion.

//...more....//

SE Asia Joe
02-02-09, 05:51
Tactical mistake. Total mistake. Had made the mistake of inviting a couple Hotel receptionist gals to join me at the KTV. And they came, all eager to have a good time, dressed in their new year best. And here I was pawing away my li'l KTV gal when they came into the room. Hmmmm... How the hell am I gonna get into THEIR pants now that their eyes confirm what they've suspected all along - that I was a dirty old man!! Hmmmm...! And here we were, again 9 of us in the biggest KTV room at the Red lion, all pawing away at various fancy ladies of the night.

I had to tone myself down a bit.... and of course I got bored, my KTV gal got bored and the hotel receptionists got bored! And left after having stayed only an hour or two. Oh well, at least I still got my KTV gal. But the tone of the evening was already set and of course she was a boring little one. And the RMB 500 session was a boring waste of time and money. And it was a very short time too, as I was really....uninspired! But at least it was not a total disaster.

Maybe the Goddess is starting to take pity on me. Or she's starting to be convinced that I'm being contrite. After all, I ain't gonna get any more action as all that's left for me was some sleep before an early return to Hong Kong the next morning. Hopefully its gonna be better next week. Or perhaps she'll shine back on me at the party I was going to back home? Yeah!! Hope springs eternal! Maintain optimism! Keep the chin up! Yup, that's what's called for during the times when the Goddess gets pissed off at you.

And besides which, things should get back on track in CP soon! Give it a few days and all will be well again!!

SEAJ

PS. Big Swinging Dave - GREAT report. More and more and more please!

Sangamotype
02-04-09, 11:43
I just moved to Dongguan and looking for any advice on the area.

I am staying at the Lagoon for now but might move to another hotel closer to downtown. Where do I go from here?

Thanks

Csun213
02-04-09, 18:00
SE Asia Joe, it was sad to read about your bad experience. Usually you have some great time with the girls and makes it a good read. I have to live through you guys until I make my return (hopefully in April).

Don't give up, pick yourself off the ground and get back out there. Remember there are a lot of us here that are looking forward to your and other senior's reports since we are not lucky enough to be there.

Wadman
02-04-09, 18:18
SE Asia Joe, it was sad to read about your bad experience. Usually you have some great time with the girls and makes it a good read. I have to live through you guys until I make my return (hopefully in April).


CSun,

don't feel bad for SEA Joe. Serves him right for being a dumb-ass, going to CP this soon after Chinese new year. I warned him too, several times! The worst part of it is that he dragged me along to CP too. I went because I like hanging out with the guys. Didn't really do anything though. Went to KTV, but didn't take the girl out. Went to a foot massage afterwards to sober up for the drive back home, and even THAT turned out to be a disaster.

For my foot massage, went to the Yuehua hotel. It's English name is also Clipper hotel (this is a different Clipper, not to be confused with the Clipper down the street from Swanlake hotel), kitty corner from Yalan hotel. Girl started off real friendly, was squeezing her boobs about half an hour into the massage. But then she says she doesn't want to do an extra hour. It's late (2:00 am) and she wants to go home. Even though her shift doesn't end until 3 am. And she wants me to buy her an extra hour for the HJ. Except she wants me to pay her directly, not the establishment. What?!?! An extra 45 rmb for a HJ, I said. No way. Ended up giving her 20 rmb extra, as a CNY red packet. She wasn't happy about it. HJ was mechanical and she was a lot less friendly afterwards.

SE Asia Joe
02-05-09, 03:49
CSun,

don't feel bad for SEA Joe. Serves him right for being a dumb-ass, going to CP this soon after Chinese new year. I warned him too, several times! The worst part of it is that he dragged me along to CP too. I went because I like hanging out with the guys. Didn't really do anything though. Went to KTV, but didn't take the girl out. Went to a foot massage afterwards to sober up for the drive back home, and even THAT turned out to be a disaster.

For my foot massage, went to the Yuehua hotel. It's English name is also Clipper hotel (this is a different Clipper, not to be confused with the Clipper down the street from Swanlake hotel), kitty corner from Yalan hotel. Girl started off real friendly, was squeezing her boobs about half an hour into the massage. But then she says she doesn't want to do an extra hour. It's late (2:00 am) and she wants to go home. Even though her shift doesn't end until 3 am. And she wants me to buy her an extra hour for the HJ. Except she wants me to pay her directly, not the establishment. What?!?! An extra 45 rmb for a HJ, I said. No way. Ended up giving her 20 rmb extra, as a CNY red packet. She wasn't happy about it. HJ was mechanical and she was a lot less friendly afterwards.

Like I said, The Goddess of Mongers - a fickle little biddy!!

Shit she does on all of us at one time or another.

And you said it correctly, don't feel bad for me - for no matter what, I believe that we in Southern China still get a helluva lot more action - and at a cheaper price - than most guys freezing their asses (literally these days!!) off in the Western countries!!

OK, week-end coming up, re-group, re-focus..... and.... CHARGE!!!!


SEAJ

P.s. never say die!

Csun213
02-05-09, 07:44
Well, you guys still had more fun then I did here in Ca. The only fun I have so far is reading all your posts and counting the days until I can go back to China.

Freepeaks
02-05-09, 23:03
Hotel rooms...

Are there any hotel rooms in DG with mirrors above the bed? I know alot of saunas have this, but are there any hotel rooms that have that in DG, something edgier?

Also which hotels have the clear glass to bathroom?

Lastly - is there any rooms in DG that have a hot tub/jacuzzi to enjoy for a party night (perhaps in a suite?) (yes SEAJ you'd be invited - wadman too)

I add what i know...

HuiHua - no clear class to bathroom and no mirrors. Although sauna rooms are all mirrored except for floor.

Miraton - pretty much like Huihua, some rooms have clear window to bathroom i thought.

Wadman
02-06-09, 08:29
Swanlake hotel has see-through bathrooms. Miraton does too.

Manhattan hotel (across the road from Clipper) has a huge bathtub. Not a jacuzzi, just a tub. But it's huge, will easily fit you and your BBS/KTV girl. 268/298 for weekday/weekend.

No regular hotel rooms with full-length mirrors, mirrors on the ceiling as far as I know. If that is such a big deal, you can always rent a sauna room from midnight to noon next day. Just the room, no sauna girl. And then do BYOB (bring your own... eh... Babe).


Hotel rooms...

Are there any hotel rooms in DG with mirrors above the bed? I know alot of saunas have this, but are there any hotel rooms that have that in DG, something edgier?

Also which hotels have the clear glass to bathroom?

Lastly - is there any rooms in DG that have a hot tub/jacuzzi to enjoy for a party night (perhaps in a suite?) (yes SEAJ you'd be invited - wadman too)

I add what i know...

HuiHua - no clear class to bathroom and no mirrors. Although sauna rooms are all mirrored except for floor.

Miraton - pretty much like Huihua, some rooms have clear window to bathroom i thought.

Freepeaks
02-06-09, 20:50
Can you really just rent the sauna room?

I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Perhaps with some BBS girls, ktv girls, regulars etc and it would likely be less restrictive than the KTV and figure with enough girls you can pick and choose and play. Would be great if there was a hot tub or something like that (party at the HH pool?).

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?

Lex Moon
02-07-09, 04:18
Manhattan hotel (across the road from Clipper) has a huge bathtub. Not a jacuzzi, just a tub. But it's huge, will easily fit you and your BBS/KTV girl. 268/298 for weekday/weekend.

Does anyone have the tel number for Manhattan hotel?
I found an old post by Santa but not sure if it the same tel as "Manhattan Service Apartments on SwanLake Road. Tel: (86-769) 83902233. Fax 83902211."

Some rooms in Lucky Hotel has Jacuzzi/steam.

Mansion Hotel in Houjie has full floor/ceiling mirror on one side of the wall.
Some rooms have either Steam or Sauna too.

Koreanfurseal
02-07-09, 08:42
Until The day before yesterday, I was in Dongguan.

Almost every month I visit guangdong area, myself alone.

Usually I myself alone visit KTV. --;

The conclusion is like this :

Before 10 FEB is Chinese big holiday and all the cuties has came back their home.

Defineately, I went to the BBS and KTV.

But all the girls was so old, and bunch of waste.


Can you really just rent the sauna room?

I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Perhaps with some BBS girls, ktv girls, regulars etc and it would likely be less restrictive than the KTV and figure with enough girls you can pick and choose and play. Would be great if there was a hot tub or something like that (party at the HH pool?).

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?

Koreanfurseal
02-07-09, 08:54
From 31 Jan to 6 Feb

I was in the dongguan.

Usually I visit Guangdong area by myself alone.

Definitely, I went to several BBS and KTV.

Conclusion is like this:

From 25 JAN to 10 FEB is Chinese biggest holiday,

All the cuties has came back to their house.

All the girls in the BBS was so old and bunch of waste.

Even though in the KTV, I should pay double price to the girl.

I paid 800, 600 for ST, in the KTV. Two girls and just one pop.

Next time I don't wanna visit there during this period again.

Koreanfurseal
02-07-09, 09:00
From 31 Jan to 6 Feb

I was in the Dongguan.

Usually I visit Guangdong area by myself alone.

Definitely, I went to several BBS and KTV.

Conclusion is like this :

From 25 JAN to 10 FEB is Chinese biggest holiday,
All the cuties has came back to their house.

All the girls in the BBS was so old and bunch of waste.

Even though in the KTV, I should pay double price to the girl.

I paid 800, 600 for ST, in the KTV. Two girls and just one pop.

Next time I don't wanna visit there during this period again.

OldAsiaHand
02-07-09, 10:49
Can you really just rent the sauna room?

I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Perhaps with some BBS girls, ktv girls, regulars etc and it would likely be less restrictive than the KTV and figure with enough girls you can pick and choose and play. Would be great if there was a hot tub or something like that (party at the HH pool?).

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?


The Clipper also has some rooms with huge bathrooms with steam and jacuzzi tubs.

OAH

Bigboobman007
02-08-09, 05:46
Hi Bros,

Here's a heads up for my cheonging trip to MC, ZH, CA, CP and SZ (tentatively and not in fixed order or duration yet but will most probably visit all or most of the places) this coming Feb 15 to 22. Truly enjoyed the last trip in CP and also in CA naked KTVs. Had the privilege to be introduced to some bros over at Clipper during breakfast but didn't get to party together. So can't miss another chance to do that.

I'm thinking of checking out MC and ZH (never been to these places) and SZ (I accidentally stumbled upon the seibu bbs area on the last trip but didn't have time to try any and thought maybe worth a visit). Basically, what I intend to do is to party with bros in the places (CA and CP) I'm already familiar with (quite excited about the new KTV with flower street that supposed to be open Feb 18) and also explore new territories. This I need advise and recommendation from bros to where I should not miss given the short time. If it is worth it at all. From what I gather: MC is Sauna is once in a lifetime experience as well as the Lisboa FLs; ZH offers same with cheaper price but lower quality. SZ seibu are is where I saw pretty good looking BBS gals. Don't know really if there is anything else worth checking out.

Any bros going on those dates and places please post or PM me. I can still change my itinerary to accommodate our schedules.

Any recommendation or update on the recent gal quality, etc would be appreciated to avoid diappointment.

Lastly and MOST importantly, as my trip this time is not so long, I would appreciate any lobang or contact for Big (d cup and above) Natural Boob but Slim SYT that you can share, be it from BBS, KTV or Sauna.

Your help won't be in vain. I will write FR after the trip and keep the sharing going.

Chang Ping
02-09-09, 04:53
I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?Bro re rocking party at a suite. The HKGrs/Japs/Taiwanese were well known for doing this. And this led to a lot of unsavory press and clamp downs. Good idea, not new and is likely to get you into more trouble than it is worth. My 2 cents only no flames please. If you really want to do this then make certain it is a small affair that is not too noisy. But then it defeats the purpose of having less restrictions than in a KTV room right? The only added advantage is perhaps being able to do. Err. "mood enhancers" in the room where some KTV's have restrictions (but some others are ok with it)

Re attached rooms. Personal recommendation is Fuhao KTV. Do a search you will find contact info on this or the "other site"

Tks for your info on bbs. Sounds like I have to do some serious hunting for value there heheheh

SE Asia Joe
02-09-09, 07:11
hotel rooms...

are there any hotel rooms in dg with mirrors above the bed? i know alot of saunas have this, but are there any hotel rooms that have that in dg, something edgier?

also which hotels have the clear glass to bathroom?

lastly - is there any rooms in dg that have a hot tub/jacuzzi to enjoy for a party night (perhaps in a suite?) (yes seaj you'd be invited - wadman too)

i add what i know...

huihua - no clear class to bathroom and no mirrors. although sauna rooms are all mirrored except for floor.

miraton - pretty much like huihua, some rooms have clear window to bathroom i thought.
king long hotel (just outside the chicken restaurant) 769 8189 3888, jody 158 1282 8877 has full length, floor to ceiling mirrors positioned next to the bed where you can see yourself in action plus has in house porno playing on the tv channel - at least it did the last time i stayed there a couple or so months ago. this mirror wall has drapes covering it when not in use/let me sleep without worrying that i was gonna wake in the middle af the night scared of my own reflection!!

and yes the clipper has the prefect rooms with a huge round bathtub dominating the whole room (with separate cubicles for the shower, steam/sauna, wc etc) and at the foot of the huge king size bed.

if you want cheaper alternatives, the #2 clipper (the yue hua - which has been bought over by the same people as the clipper,, just across dongxing lu from the yalan hotel) has renovated some of their rooms with glass, glass and more glass covering the whole bathroom area. a bit disconcerting - but gives you the perfect view of everything going on in the bathroom with no blind spots for anybody to exercise any modesty whatsoever!

otherwise, your best bet would be the sauna rooms as advised by wadman, oah etc - available after 11 pm or so until noon the next day usually for a cheaper price than the regular rooms. before 11 pm, they would only rent them out for short term rentals of 2 or 3 hours.

seaj

SE Asia Joe
02-09-09, 07:15
Does anyone have the tel number for Manhattan hotel?
I found an old post by Santa but not sure if it the same tel as "Manhattan Service Apartments on SwanLake Road. Tel: (86-769) 83902233. Fax 83902211."
.
If you cain't get thru to the manhattan directly, you can TRY using my Manhattan KTV mommie LI Yuen 135 4944 6388.
She SHOULD be able to get you into the hotel and most likely at the cheapest available rate, if you promise her that you will also naturally book a KTV room thru her.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-09-09, 07:27
Can you really just rent the sauna room?

I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Perhaps with some BBS girls, ktv girls, regulars etc and it would likely be less restrictive than the KTV and figure with enough girls you can pick and choose and play. Would be great if there was a hot tub or something like that (party at the HH pool?).

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?
Errrr..... last time I tried this with a couple other "Bros" I really did NOT enjoy myself at ALL!!

All the sights of heaving, bulging bellies, flabby asses, topped by a wheezing, grunting and contorted ancient faces dripping with sweat didn't do my libido any good. On top of that, the gal I was doing was a stinky poo!

Had to drop all the plans for each one of us to do all of the other gals!

Total and complete humiliation! Unmitigated disaster!

Defeated by 3 grinning and laughing gals walking out of the room counting - and flaunting - our RMB's.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-09-09, 08:14
yup, she was on her best behaviour last week-end. she shone on me and i had a great time in cp. or was it the fact that a lot more gals came back and new ones from the factories also came streaming back?

respectable numbers thursday at all of the bbs's - so much so that i had a hard time trying to decide just which li'l 'un i was gonna go for my first "arrivay arrivay" pop! this was also the case the whole of my stay - spoilt for choice -even on friday evening! had even taken 4 gals (including the very pretty cien cien) from the swl for dinner (and no, i didn't pay 'em anything - just treated them for hot pot dinner) - that's how large a choice we had!

at least 50-60 gals at the night market - some not so attractive yet as they seem to be brand new gals who don't yet know how to put on proper make-up/have good hair-do's - and a dozen or so gals at each of the bbs's we visited..... at 11:30 pm!!

the ex-5th floor, now hole-in-the-wall bbs under the snooker sign (hey, we should call it the snooker bbs - ok?) also had a couple vietnamese gals - who can only speak a smattering of cantonese - available. one of them - a chun was a real cutey!

by the way, the mommies confirmed to me that yalan bbs's usually do stay open till midnight before letting their gals go.

the hui mei alley bbs's were also very well stocked with each showing off at least 15 gals each - and the one behind the barber shop with at least 25! well stocked at 3 pm! and that ass hole poppa - who routinely shouts and hurl abuse at mongers who don't take one of his gals - even kept his manners and not uttered even a peep when we walked out of his shop! i still can't stand this blot on the cp momma/poppa society though!

wadman also took us to the "lotus bar" area - a whole bunch of zhuhai type umbrella bars ringed by bbq stands offering 18 huge oyesters for rmb30 (buy a dozen, get half a dozen free) as well as other bbq goodies cheaply. it is located catty corner from the manhattan, about a hundred metres from the clipper, and one sits around drinking rmb10 bottles of beer with the gals behind the counter whilst snacking and playing dice games.

weelock fell in love with the big titted ex-clipper footie gal who recognized me and invited us to patronize her. my ex-footie gal also introduced us to her boss who is an abc/bbc ex-san francisco and vancouver and also to the other partner - who's wife is a classy good looking mid 20's gal also manning one of the bars. good place to hang out for you guys with limited chinese language speaking skills!

seaj

Wadman
02-09-09, 15:04
Errrr..... last time I tried this with a couple other "Bros" I really did NOT enjoy myself at ALL!!

All the sights of heaving, bulging bellies, flabby asses, topped by a wheezing, grunting and contorted ancient faces dripping with sweat didn't do my libido any good.


Yes... but... At least you had my relatively youthful face, not-so-bulging belly, not-so-flabby ass to look at. Mine and mister R's, who is your age. Imagine me! I had to look at 2 sets (yours and mister R's) of heaving, bulging bellies, flabby asses, and contorted ancient faces. Twice as bad for me. It was flabby asses and ancient faces, no matter which way I turned.

Freepeaks
02-09-09, 17:42
Errrr..... last time I tried this with a couple other "Bros" I really did NOT enjoy myself at ALL!

All the sights of heaving, bulging bellies, flabby asses, topped by a wheezing, grunting and contorted ancient faces dripping with sweat didn't do my libido any good. On top of that, the gal I was doing was a stinky poo!
Had to drop all the plans for each one of us to do all of the other gals!
Total and complete humiliation! Unmitigated disaster!

Defeated by 3 grinning and laughing gals walking out of the room counting - and flaunting - our RMB's.

SEAJNot really what I had in mind. More of a multi room suite thing, like an after party environment, yeah a few rooms that you could creep off to, but not your scenario.

Mr modesty - Not like you don't drop your pants at the KTV anyway.

SE Asia Joe
02-10-09, 05:52
Not really what I had in mind. More of a multi room suite thing, like an after party environment, yeah a few rooms that you could creep off to, but not your scenario.

Mr modesty - Not like you don't drop your pants at the KTV anyway.
I'd think you're talking about big bucks - and that is IF you could find such facilities available for short term rental i.e in a hotel. Hotels in most cosmopolitan areas do have their Presidential or "showcase" suites with multiple bedrooms - but it always comes at a very hefty price. The only hotel I know of around CP that has such suites is the Crown Prince - and no, I don't know how much it costs - but it should be in the high 4 or 5 digit level per night. In any case, too much for anybody to want to chip in, methinks.

The other option is of course if you have a buddy who lives in an apartment in CP and who would be willing to let you have such a party.

BTW - 4-5 years ago, I used to go to the Penthouse Suites of Plaza massage in Bangkok which does have such 1,2, and 3 bedroom suites. The 3 bedroom even has a huge balcony where one can saunter out and romantically look at the moon with a nubile young thing on your arm. The first thing one does when coming into the suite is to turn on the TV and switch it to the channel showing all the gals in the Fish bowl downstairs; Pan all the gals and then zoom in for details of likely candidates and choose to your heart's content! The large jacuzzi in the middle of the room is a perfect place for all to jump in and mess around whilst waiting for the food to come. When the food does come, the gals, wrapped only in skimpy towels (which comes off at any behest!) will be perfect companions for a Bacchanalian and Romanesque fest with them feeding you!

If you feast - and pay for - the suite and gals until 11PM, you are also entitled to keep the gal for LT back in your own hotel. And these are Sauna/massage gals we're talking about. They make your world rock in the regular 2 hour or so in-house - think what they will do for you the rest of the night!!

SEAJ

Ps. Its that Wanker Wapec that drops trou' willingly.
Me I doth do it - but only under extreme protestations!

SE Asia Joe
02-10-09, 06:04
Yes... but... At least you had my relatively youthful face, not-so-bulging belly, not-so-flabby ass to look at. Mine and mister R's, who is your age. Imagine me! I had to look at 2 sets (yours and mister R's) of heaving, bulging bellies, flabby asses, and contorted ancient faces. Twice as bad for me. It was flabby asses and ancient faces, no matter which way I turned.
Hmmmm.... a regular Richard Gere you think you are huh?!

Well, you did state "relatively" - and that is the key word. I can assure that the gals think ALL of us are equally flabby assed, beer-bellied, ancient faced ATM machines that is the down-side of the Oldest profession in the world. Yeah, our Pretty Women - no Richard Gere's in their lives.

And hey - I don't care if its ancient, flabby or not - if its a GUY I detect (all that grunting, foul sweating, flabbing flesh...) in the same room as I also doing his "thing," it just is a total turn-off!

SEAJ

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-10-09, 06:07
Hi Bros,

Here's a heads up for my cheonging trip to MC, ZH, CA, CP and SZ (tentatively and not in fixed order or duration yet but will most probably visit all or most of the places) this coming Feb 15 to 22. Truly enjoyed the last trip in CP and also in CA naked KTVs. Had the privilege to be introduced to some bros over at Clipper during breakfast but didn't get to party together. So can't miss another chance to do that.

I'm thinking of checking out MC and ZH (never been to these places) and SZ (I accidentally stumbled upon the seibu bbs area on the last trip but didn't have time to try any and thought maybe worth a visit). Basically, what I intend to do is to party with bros in the places (CA and CP) I'm already familiar with (quite excited about the new KTV with flower street that supposed to be open Feb 18) and also explore new territories. This I need advise and recommendation from bros to where I should not miss given the short time. If it is worth it at all. From what I gather: MC is Sauna is once in a lifetime experience as well as the Lisboa FLs; ZH offers same with cheaper price but lower quality. SZ seibu are is where I saw pretty good looking BBS gals. Don't know really if there is anything else worth checking out.

Any bros going on those dates and places please post or PM me. I can still change my itinerary to accommodate our schedules.

Any recommendation or update on the recent gal quality, etc would be appreciated to avoid diappointment.

Lastly and MOST importantly, as my trip this time is not so long, I would appreciate any lobang or contact for Big (d cup and above) Natural Boob but Slim SYT that you can share, be it from BBS, KTV or Sauna.

Your help won't be in vain. I will write FR after the trip and keep the sharing going.

Your PMS function don't work. Get a paid up membership and write to me - or phone me at the humber i gave you
SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-10-09, 11:12
Hmmmm.... a regular Richard Gere you think you are huh?!

Well, you did state "relatively" - and that is the key word. I can assure that the gals think ALL of us are equally flabby assed, beer-bellied, ancient faced ATM machines that is the down-side of the Oldest profession in the world. Yeah, our Pretty Women - no Richard Gere's in their lives.

And hey - I don't care if its ancient, flabby or not - if its a GUY I detect (all that grunting, foul sweating, flabbing flesh...) in the same room as I also doing his "thing," it just is a total turn-off!

SEAJ

SEAJ
Am here sitting at the George Bar at the Park Lane Hong Kong with Wadman and Creepy Crisp - moaning about all the ugly gals around.....ugly and equally all untouchable! Unfxxkingbelievable!! Gotta get back to CP ASAP!! WHEN guys??

Gonna need a date w/old lady thumb and her 4 daughters before I get back there! And what is with this stupid question asked by Wadman - are you not married Joe?? IDIOT!!!

SEAJ

Wadman says: Now we know why SEA Joe is always so desperate to go to CP! But... doesn't a wank by yourself feel the same regardless of whether you are in HK or China? Why do you have to go to China for that?

SE Asia Joe
02-10-09, 11:20
Wadman says: Now we know why SEA Joe is always so desperate to go to CP! But... doesn't a wank by yourself feel the same regardless of whether you are in HK or China? Why do you have to go to China for that?
Let me tell you something about marriage Wadman..... Sex is not on demand, at least not on your demand! You gotta wait, and wait and play all the correct cards....and then still wait to get lucky!

SEAJ

Ps. Its that bad for us in Hong Kong - we gotta screw around on the cptr and get on ISG for our thrills!!
Spoiled by all 'em China dolls

SE Asia Joe
02-12-09, 07:07
To all you guys out there that thnks everything is just all peachey keen in China and that we're really living the life of Reilly (Oh never mind third world crime, crappy facilities, bad service, spitting, rats, traffic, scheming gals, rip offs, scams, no anals, no threesomes and no english!!), well, here's further proof that you're 100% correct.

80 minutes real good body and head massage, shampoo/thorough hair conditioning, full facial and mask - all for the princely sum of RMB 35 - and NO, do NOT tip the buxom, friendly and flirty gal! Don't spoil 'em!

And Yeah - I KNOW that REAL BAD BOYS do not get....... facials!! But hey - its only because you real he-men out there have not gotten intimate with your own sensitivities!! yeah - we is the real contemporary males out here!

SEAJ

Ps. Drink beer to your heart's content at the CP Lotus bars (RMB10/bottle!!) if you dare come forward and declare that YOU are the one in the picture - on me!!

SE Asia Joe
02-12-09, 07:24
Fast Eddie tells me "It really sucks!" Wadman says - waste of time. Santa and OAH goes off to Thailand and me?? Moi? I stuck it out and still discovered all them hidden gems in CP.

Let's face it, we're all spoilt by what is usually available in Southern China and basically, just insist on getting only the best cuts of meat every time - "Nope, I ain't gonna take HER!! Why should I lower my sstandards and expectations, this is China!

Well, the rather meager pickins' past few weeks have basically alowed me to actually take a second look at what I would have routinely refused in the past; and have in the process discovered a whole new and wonderful world of real pleasures!! And real beauties too!

The more relaxed atmosphere allowed me to choose at my leisure and enabled me to look further down than the first layer of make-up that these gals slather on their faces. And even those who I would have previously consider do-able because of their fashion and make-up sense, now pales in comparison to the more real beauty of my last few gals. New tricks for an old dog!!

SEAJ

Ps. Where the Fxxk are the rest of you guys??!! You're making me do all the the writin'....and talkin' to myself like OWL!

Pointpanic
02-12-09, 12:37
Joe,

I clicked it open and I'm glad it wasn't me. You only got me after shampooing and deluxe hair coloring for the princely sum of 85 rmb. Guys be aware of Joe in the beauty salon with a camera! Ha ha. Come on Joe your full frontal shots are the best. I know that I'm learning from the master! That's got to be Wadman in the far chair! Hope OAH is looking out for Santa in Thailand. Miss you guys as I can't get back to CP till April. Freepeaks, How was "I follow you girl?"

PP


To all you guys out there that thnks everything is just all peachey keen in China and that we're really living the life of Reilly (Oh never mind third world crime, crappy facilities, bad service, spitting, rats, traffic, scheming gals, rip offs, scams, no anals, no threesomes and no english!!), well, here's further proof that you're 100% correct.

80 minutes real good body and head massage, shampoo/thorough hair conditioning, full facial and mask - all for the princely sum of RMB 35 - and NO, do NOT tip the buxom, friendly and flirty gal! Don't spoil 'em!

And Yeah - I KNOW that REAL BAD BOYS do not get....... facials!! But hey - its only because you real he-men out there have not gotten intimate with your own sensitivities!! yeah - we is the real contemporary males out here!

SEAJ

Ps. Drink beer to your heart's content at the CP Lotus bars (RMB10/bottle!!) if you dare come forward and declare that YOU are the one in the picture - on me!!

Wadman
02-12-09, 16:20
Pointpanic,

That is NOT me in the far chair! Joe knows better than to take pics of me with that damn camera of his. He knows even better not to post such pics on ISG. I've got pics of him with his pants ripped off by a horde of crazed KTV girls.

EDIT: on second thought, Joe says:
"Ps. Drink beer to your heart's content at the CP Lotus bars (RMB10/bottle!!) if you dare come forward and declare that YOU are the one in the picture - on me!!"

He didn't specify which one in the pic, foreground or background. Hey, do I get free, unlimited beer at the outdoor BBQ plaza, Joe?!?!


Joe,

I clicked it open and I'm glad it wasn't me. You only got me after shampooing and deluxe hair coloring for the princely sum of 85 rmb. Guys be aware of Joe in the beauty salon with a camera! Ha ha. Come on Joe your full frontal shots are the best. I know that I'm learning from the master! That's got to be Wadman in the far chair!

SE Asia Joe
02-13-09, 05:19
Pointpanic,

That is NOT me in the far chair! Joe knows better than to take pics of me with that damn camera of his. He knows even better not to post such pics on ISG. I've got pics of him with his pants ripped off by a horde of crazed KTV girls.

EDIT: on second thought, Joe says:
"Ps. Drink beer to your heart's content at the CP Lotus bars (RMB10/bottle!!) if you dare come forward and declare that YOU are the one in the picture - on me!!"

He didn't specify which one in the pic, foreground or background. Hey, do I get free, unlimited beer at the outdoor BBQ plaza, Joe?!?!


Anytime for my buddy Wadman!! Hell I owe him more than that for all his drivin' me around and his invaluable insights as to which gal is truly doable or not!! Yup, Wadman - sunday night - all the drinks for you.... on me!!

And also, it don't matter, which guy - either the guy near (who dexterously - and without using his eyes - kicked the hell out of me across beds when he detected my flash going off!! How did he do that?) or the guy further off.

Offer still stands!!

SEAJ
Ps. Pointpanic - you're missing all the fun!! Why dontcha arrange for more business meetings here - hey perhaps with Wadman and I about that huge, beautiful and used-to-be-profitable-but-now-loosing-money Hotel, restaurant, whoerehouse or whatever in Aloha land?? Hell - it'd be a good enuff excuse - right??

Wadman
02-13-09, 23:27
Was in CP on Friday, met up with Fast Eddie. After a BBQ dinner, we decide to check out the talent at HuiMei sauna. Rooms are 238 and 268, depending on size. Girl fee is 300.

But here is the interesting part: the captain told us that you can stay overnight for free if you come in after 8 PM (except Fridays and Saturdays, then it's 12 midnight). It used to be 12 midnight for every day (maybe you could negotiate to 11 PM or so on weekday). So CP is starting to crack under the economic crisis... a bit.

We saw 2 lineups, about 20 girls total. Girls looked OK, nothing spectecular, mostly 6s and 7s. Neither of us took anything, so can't report on service.

PS: Yes, Joe, it was the weekend and I was in CP. I know I have said repeatedly how much I hate weekends in CP, but sometimes one makes an exception. In fact, I will be in CP on Sunday again (still the weekend).

Phantomtiger2
02-14-09, 00:51
hey Wadman,
just to clarify about this overnite sauna biz.
If I book a room a 8pm, pay the bill for room and gal, pick a gal, do my deed. then the gal leaves and I sleep on the bed by myself (or is overnite with same gal available?) sleep on the same sticky bed sheets that all you ISG members cum on during the whole day. Wake up in the morning (stuck to the bed sheet) and get thrown out into the morning traffic.--ha ha .
Did I get this right?

PT

Wadman
02-14-09, 04:59
hey Wadman,
just to clarify about this overnite sauna biz.
If I book a room a 8pm, pay the bill for room and gal, pick a gal, do my deed. then the gal leaves and I sleep on the bed by myself (or is overnite with same gal available?) sleep on the same sticky bed sheets that all you ISG members cum on during the whole day. Wake up in the morning (stuck to the bed sheet) and get thrown out into the morning traffic.--ha ha .
Did I get this right?

PT

Come on, it ain't that bad. The girl will spread a towel over the part of the bed where the action takes place. It's standard practice. The bedsheet usually doesn't get wet.

Most saunas allow you to stay around noon the next day on a overnight stay. That should be plenty, how much can you sleep really?

In terms of others having "cum on the bed during the whole day", well, it's CP. Guys go there for 1 reason.

Note: you don't get a key for the sauna room, so no in and out privileges. It's not really meant as a substitute for a hotel room. The concept is: you arrive at the sauna late, do your sauna session, and then roll over and go to sleep.

AsnDragon
02-14-09, 07:04
Wadman,

Actually I beg to differ. I find that Friday and Saturday is the best lineups at the BBS. You just have to be there early enough to choose the girls. Weekend's got the biggest linesups. Usually all the rooms are full.

There's even KTV girls that come to BBS during the day time to earn some quick money before they go back to the KTV's at night. With the economy this bad, I think every girl is hunting additional part time jobs for more maos. IMHO

AsnDragon


Was in CP on Friday, met up with Fast Eddie. After a BBQ dinner, we decide to check out the talent at HuiMei sauna. Rooms are 238 and 268, depending on size. Girl fee is 300.

But here is the interesting part: the captain told us that you can stay overnight for free if you come in after 8 PM (except Fridays and Saturdays, then it's 12 midnight). It used to be 12 midnight for every day (maybe you could negotiate to 11 PM or so on weekday). So CP is starting to crack under the economic crisis... a bit.

We saw 2 lineups, about 20 girls total. Girls looked OK, nothing spectecular, mostly 6s and 7s. Neither of us took anything, so can't report on service.

PS: Yes, Joe, it was the weekend and I was in CP. I know I have said repeatedly how much I hate weekends in CP, but sometimes one makes an exception. In fact, I will be in CP on Sunday again (still the weekend).

SE Asia Joe
02-14-09, 08:37
Come on, it ain't that bad. The girl will spread a towel over the part of the bed where the action takes place. It's standard practice. The bedsheet usually doesn't get wet.

Most saunas allow you to stay around noon the next day on a overnight stay. That should be plenty, how much can you sleep really?

In terms of others having "cum on the bed during the whole day", well, it's CP. Guys go there for 1 reason.

Note: you don't get a key for the sauna room, so no in and out privileges. It's not really meant as a substitute for a hotel room. The concept is: you arrive at the sauna late, do your sauna session, and then roll over and go to sleep.
ANNNDDDD..... you usually get lots and lots of towels in a Sauna room - lots more than the 2 max 3 you get in a regular room (always need to steal more towels from the maids carts!)

But this "no-key" thing is a real drag. Last time I did that - eons ago - I couldn't get out and hunt up for any more - not gals, not drinks, not food! And I ended up hungry and thirsty - but at least not horny - as I managed (just!!) to phone a mommie up to bring me a take-away!! Should have asked the gal to come with food and drinks!

YMMV but for me, sleeping in a sauna is not my thing. Just too much hassles/restrictions for the relatively small amount of money one needs to spend on hotel rooms in China. Now, if I could do this in New York City, Paris or London etc where the rates are to me outrageous....

SEAJ

Dan Hawaii
02-15-09, 18:48
Hotel rooms...

Are there any hotel rooms in DG with mirrors above the bed? I know alot of saunas have this, but are there any hotel rooms that have that in DG, something edgier?

Also which hotels have the clear glass to bathroom?

Lastly - is there any rooms in DG that have a hot tub/jacuzzi to enjoy for a party night (perhaps in a suite?) (yes SEAJ you'd be invited - wadman too)

I add what i know...

HuiHua - no clear class to bathroom and no mirrors. Although sauna rooms are all mirrored except for floor.

Miraton - pretty much like Huihua, some rooms have clear window to bathroom i thought.

Whatsup, freepeaks, must be cold there. Still telling the ktv girls to "turn off the cold"? LOL.

The Penn has both the glass to the showers and the mirrors on the ceiling. But the mirrors on the ceiling is above the sofas/coffee table area, those mento people, not above the bed. Maybe you can do some rearranging, hahaha.

Dan Hawaii
02-15-09, 19:06
Can you really just rent the sauna room?

I was thinking it would be fun to get a suite and instead of having a KTV party, actually have a rocking party at a suite in a hotel. Seems that I have seen some people (HK'rs?) doing this at the HH on the upper floors.

Perhaps with some BBS girls, ktv girls, regulars etc and it would likely be less restrictive than the KTV and figure with enough girls you can pick and choose and play. Would be great if there was a hot tub or something like that (party at the HH pool?).

Which KTVs have the attached 'bedrooms' in CP or is this elsewhere.

On another note, seems everyone is back in CP now, everyone came back early for work, and I think the economy is making people come back sooner due to the ability to hire someone else so easily. what have the bbs looked like recently - refilled?
That sounds like a great idea. But I would get girls that were sort of your "friends" / regular providers with a good personality. And in reality, I think you only can bring 1 girl to the party, not like in a ktv, where it is the norm to pick 2 or more girsl to party with. In a ktv, they are working and most likely know each other, so they feel comfortable partying and being frisky. In a suite, it may be a different story, but very much possible.

I think the Lucky might have the suite you are looking for, and for cheap. Ask Wadman, he's a Lucky expert.

Wadman
02-15-09, 22:27
Wadman,

Actually I beg to differ. I find that Friday and Saturday is the best lineups at the BBS. You just have to be there early enough to choose the girls. Weekend's got the biggest linesups. Usually all the rooms are full.


True. Friday and Saturday is big business for the girls (KTV, BBS, and sauna). On average, their earnings are much better on those 2 days, than any other day the rest of the week. So, if possible at all, the girls will show up for work resulting in better line-ups.

However, there are other reasons why I hate CP on Fridays/Saturday:
- there are more girls, but also A LOT more guys (mainly HongKong guys). Overall, this results in a lower girls-guys ratio.
- BBS girls have less time and motivation for you. Unless it's late in the day (night), most will try to do as many quick ST's as possible, and then maybe try for a LT at the end. Better strategy to earn more money for the girl that way. On weekdays, the girl is much more likely to do a better job, in the hope of a LT
- Most hotels have a Friday/Saturday surcharge, usually an extra 10-15%
- Things are not that busy anymore, but before the economic downturn everything is just busy-busy-busy on weekends. Restaurants (wait for a table), foot massage (wait for a room, your favourite girl may be busy), saunas (crappy lineup, cause not many available girls). And if you threathen to walk away and take your business elsewhere, they may not even care, there are customers lined up anyway. If you go on a weekday, you feel like the king.
- hotel room and KTV room reservations don't mean that much. Even if you have a reservation, if you don't show up until late, they may give your room away. Again, this is less likely now due to poor economy.
- your favourite hotel may be full, no more room. Or no more standard rooms, if you want to stay there they will sell you a more expensive room
- and the list goes on and on...

The logic goes something like this:
- the supply of girls increases a bit
- supply of hotel, ktv, massage rooms stay the same
- supply of massage girls stay the same
- demand goes up a lot cause there are more guys
Result: advantage shifts to seller.



There's even KTV girls that come to BBS during the day time to earn some quick money before they go back to the KTV's at night. With the economy this bad, I think every girl is hunting additional part time jobs for more maos. IMHO


Here is an update on the BBS situation. On sunday, SEA Joe, TickTock, me, and some non-ISG guys did the rounds around 4 PM:
- Baby's shop: 5 girls
- 2nd floor shop, around the corner from Baby's: 10 girls
- Swanlake BBS/KTV: 10 girls
- Lily's shop (Where Jojo used to work): 10 girls
- shops that used to be the "Banyan tree shops": 10 girls
- the snooker/silver star BBS: 15 girls
- shop beside snooker shop: 5 girls

Overalls really slim pickings. Night market numbers were really down too, although admittedly we didn't get there until 3:15 in the morning.

Wadman
02-15-09, 22:42
Can you really just rent the sauna room?


Freepeaks,

if you know the sauna manager a bit (have given her business), you should be able to rent just the sauna room. Try not to do it on Friday or Saturday for obvious reasons. MiQi at HuiHua sauna will probably do it for you. There was this one night (Saturday) when I liked my KTV girl but couldn't get a room anywhere in CP. Called up MiQi and she got me a sauna room.

The KTV girl played innocent and pretended not to know what the sauna room equipment was for. Asked me what the stool with hole in the middle and the medicine ball were used for. I offered to teach her. That's when she dropped her pretenses and declined.



I think the Lucky might have the suite you are looking for, and for cheap. Ask Wadman, he's a Lucky expert.

Actually, I haven't stayed at the Lucky in a long time now. Their superior rooms used be 178 rmb, they then upped it to 218 rmb. Don't know if they have reduced it due to crappy economy. But at 218 rmb it's overpriced (how price sensitive am I?).

Miraton is the first hotel to come to their senses, they have a promotion going on: 268 for lower level rooms, 288 for upper level rooms. No surcharge on weekends. Until March 31. Miraton used to charge 338/358 for weekday/weekend.

OldAsiaHand
02-16-09, 07:46
Miraton is the first hotel to come to their senses, they have a promotion going on: 268 for lower level rooms, 288 for upper level rooms. No surcharge on weekends. Until March 31. Miraton used to charge 338/358 for weekday/weekend.

Many of us used to stay at the Miraton until they started raising rates. Part of the demand may have been from this forum. 268 is the rate we used to pay when the hotel first opened.

As far as location is concerned, the Miraton, Hui Mei, Virgin, Hui Hua, etc. are better. They are more centrally located with more eating, drinking and shopping options within walking distance. But, in terms of value for money and easy access to BBS, Swan Lake, Clipper, etc. are better. Depends on what is more importatant.

I reckon all hotel rates are currently negotiable. I even have hotel managers calling me asking when I am back in town. Business must be pretty bad at the moment.

Just my POV.

OAH

Dan Hawaii
02-16-09, 08:45
Many of us used to stay at the Miraton until they started raising rates. Part of the demand may have been from this forum. 268 is the rate we used to pay when the hotel first opened.

As far as location is concerned, the Miraton, Hui Mei, Virgin, Hui Hua, etc. are better. They are more centrally located with more eating, drinking and shopping options within walking distance. But, in terms of value for money and easy access to BBS, Swan Lake, Clipper, etc. are better. Depends on what is more importatant.

I reckon all hotel rates are currently negotiable. I even have hotel managers calling me asking when I am back in town. Business must be pretty bad at the moment.

Just my POV.

OAH
I like them all OAH. So many hard decisions to make in CP, like what hotel, what ktv tonight, , what to drink (beer, wine, or hards), what to do during the day, should I save my pop for later, and most imprortantly the most stressful decision of all, is what freaking girl should I take. I call it... "the CP dilemma" ;)

But I do like the location of Miraton, HH, HM, etc, but near the SL bbs , hotels are newer and cheaper. A couple of times we just split our CP time in both places. Checking in and out of hotels is fairly easy. But I'm kind of leaning towards the SL BBS side of town, I like newer and cheaper, because CP is so small, location is not that big of a deal.

Wadman
02-16-09, 12:59
There are 13 guys in Peninsula KTV: SEA Joe, TickTock, Reader123, BSDave, me and a bunch of SB Forum guys here. Good fun being had by all. Selection of KTV was OK, nothing spectecular.

Joe is our treasurer for tonight, he is going to be-atch out anyone who dares overcharge us by 0.01 rmb.

SEAJ here - damn right I is gonna beatch! Last night we had the misfortune of "trusting" that all was gonna be alright and had to argue, threaten and whatever else for a whole damn hour... to get a wholeRMB200 discount!! NEVER I repeat NEVER trust these damn KTV operators - Especially at the Fuhao/Plutocrat. Problem arose becoz by the time we got there, things were already settled and we though that whoever arranged it in the first place had properly arranged everything. And of course that is not correct. 8 of us and it came to RMB 4,381 - bunch of thieves!!

Repeat either never go to Fuhao or if you still need to go, watch them like a hawk

SEAJ

Wadman
02-16-09, 13:08
There are 13 guys in Peninsula KTV: SEA Joe, TickTock, Reader123, BSDave, me and a bunch of SB Forum guys here.
Monday blues.. what's a guy gonna with the Monday blues?



WEll, if you're in CP, you go out and drown your sorrows... with a bunch of friends and...gals.. What a hard life we lead here!! Me typing away wihilst a 5'10" dongbei gal who would put Paris Hilton to shame massaging my shoulders Hard life!!

SEAJ

Threeway
02-16-09, 13:46
Chaps,

Anyone knows if the goodview KTV at zmt is still in action? Haven; t heard anything here on that joint for ages. Am looking for another trip up soon but seeing how much more rowdy CP has gotten, tot I'd stay in some other area.

FoxySimone
02-17-09, 03:36
Hi all. I had been to dongguan around a year back and stayed at the winnerway hotel. They had an in house sauna which had a cracking lineup and I chose from the model category (tall ones) for 600rmb. It was the best rmb spent till date for 2 hrs. There was everything offered (FS) including a hot and cold BBBJ.

I am planning now to go to SZ and was wondering if similar offerings are possible there? Is it practical to stay in dongguan and travel to SZ everyday, considering my Chinese speaking skills are zilch?

I have read the SZ board and all it seems is that there are some places with HJ offering. After being spoilt in dongguan and CP, I think you guys know what I am looking for.

Help is appreciated.

SE Asia Joe
02-17-09, 07:32
There are 13 guys in Peninsula KTV: SEA Joe, TickTock, Reader123, BSDave, me and a bunch of SB Forum guys here. Good fun being had by all. Selection of KTV was OK, nothing spectecular.

Joe is our treasurer for tonight, he is going to be-atch out anyone who dares overcharge us by 0.01 rmb.

SEAJ here - damn right I is gonna beatch! Last night we had the misfortune of "trusting" that all was gonna be alright and had to argue, threaten and whatever else for a whole damn hour... to get a wholeRMB200 discount!! NEVER I repeat NEVER trust these damn KTV operators - Especially at the Fuhao/Plutocrat. Problem arose becoz by the time we got there, things were already settled and we though that whoever arranged it in the first place had properly arranged everything. And of course that is not correct. 8 of us and it came to RMB 4,381 - bunch of thieves!!

Repeat either never go to Fuhao or if you still need to go, watch them like a hawk

SEAJ


Another night, another experience. A much better one than the session at the Plutocrat/Fuaho. We were a total of 14 guys at the Peninsula with quite a few of us accompanied by 2 gals in a huge room (admittedly, not as large as the Fuhao room with the attached bedroom, full bathroom, extra toilet and Mahjong room) but LARGE and the bill came to RMB 3,998. approx 10% cheaper for 75% more guys! And a much better selection of gals than the Fuhao.

The difference is that we gave the DJ her "marching orders" on what we expected - No assorted mommies and Mgrs coming in to drink our beer, must have 1 guy sign off on ALL orders, advise when minimum charge reached and timely appraisals of bill amount reached, no half full glasses cleared, what we can expect as "freebies" i.e. what snacks, how many dozen beers ON TOP of the Buy 2 Get 1 free, no Dolls, pop corn, snacks, cigar/cigarette, candy, flowers etc "sales gals" allowed into room etc (these Sales gals comes into the room and the KTV gals always plaintively ask her guy to buy her one thing or another and it becomes a free for all - with the bill quickly piling up! And I'm pretty sure that if you're a sucker enough to buy one of those over-priced stuffed dolls, the gal would just turn around and sell it back to the KTV)

And we had a great DJ who not only did exactly as we requested, but was also very attentive the whole night, is a good singer, PLUS was always on the look-out for her guests i.e. One of us guys had an issue with a mommie and ordered her to drink 8 bottles of beer "to make amends/give face" (Pretty silly I say!!). Our DJ right away informed us and we right away put a stop to that nonsense. What - have her drink 8 bottles at approx RMB25@ = RMB 200 total? To achieve WHAT??!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-17-09, 09:58
Hi all. I had been to dongguan around a year back and stayed at the winnerway hotel. They had an in house sauna which had a cracking lineup and I chose from the model category (tall ones) for 600rmb. It was the best rmb spent till date for 2 hrs. There was everything offered (FS) including a hot and cold BBBJ.

I am planning now to go to SZ and was wondering if similar offerings are possible there? Is it practical to stay in dongguan and travel to SZ everyday, considering my Chinese speaking skills are zilch?

I have read the SZ board and all it seems is that there are some places with HJ offering. After being spoilt in dongguan and CP, I think you guys know what I am looking for.

Help is appreciated.
First - which part of Dongguan are you wanting to stay at? I'm not familiar with Winnerway Hotel - where is it/which exact town in Dongguan?

If you are thinking about staying in CP (Chang ping) then it would be very easy for you to get to Shenzhen daily. The GZ East - Shenzhen fast train, which travel at 200 KMH plus, stops at Chang Ping and the journey from CP to SZ only takes 22 minutes and costs RMB40 regular, RMB45 First class each way. In the monring, you could get just the economy class ticket and then go to the Restaurant Coach (#5 I think) and have breakfast (RMB15 minimum charge)! Trains are very frequent, approximately every half an hour or less.

Getting in and out of Luohu in the rush hour though..... you may have a bit more problems!! But you did say Shenzhen and Luohu is in Shenzhen!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-17-09, 10:10
Chaps,

Anyone knows if the goodview KTV at zmt is still in action? Haven; t heard anything here on that joint for ages. Am looking for another trip up soon but seeing how much more rowdy CP has gotten, tot I'd stay in some other area.
You think that CP has gotten more ROWDY?? Why would you think that? It's as rowdy as it has always been methinks!!

And since you think CP is now rowdy, you want to go to ZhhangMoutou?? I'd say that would be like going from the kettle to the fire - since ZMT is now ground zero for extreme labour retrenchment and large factory lay-offs.
What I write is perhaps a bit unfair on ZMT as it IS generally a bit more laid back than CP (and that I'm NOT as familiar about ZMT as I am of CP), but....

Also, since you're only going to go to the KTV - which is usually another luxurious world apart from its surrounding area - does it really matter if the surrounds is Rowdy or not? Just curious.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-17-09, 10:21
Here is an update on the BBS situation. On sunday, SEA Joe, TickTock, me, and some non-ISG guys did the rounds around 4 PM:
- Baby's .................
Overalls really slim pickings. Night market numbers were really down too, although admittedly we didn't get there until 3:15 in the morning.
Further update.... for Monday... All the shops quite well stocked with the Swan Lake, practically FULL of gals.
Perhaps that Sundays are probably the worst day as all the gals probably already made piles of money Friday/Saturday and need to rest their li'l tushes a bit! Plus they know that all the Hong Kong guys are gone, Bye Bye, Adios - so why bother coming to work?
SEAJ

Threeway
02-17-09, 18:38
You think that CP has gotten more ROWDY?? Why would you think that? It's as rowdy as it has always been methinks!!

And since you think CP is now rowdy, you want to go to ZhhangMoutou?? I'd say that would be like going from the kettle to the fire - since ZMT is now ground zero for extreme labour retrenchment and large factory lay-offs.
What I write is perhaps a bit unfair on ZMT as it IS generally a bit more laid back than CP (and that I'm NOT as familiar about ZMT as I am of CP), but....

Also, since you're only going to go to the KTV - which is usually another luxurious world apart from its surrounding area - does it really matter if the surrounds is Rowdy or not? Just curious.

SEAJHahaha. You've got a point there with regards to the rowdiness. I figured I'd like a short change of scenary from my previous visit to CP & Dalang. And since I already have an idea of which joint I'm gonna hit, was just asking if anyone knows it's still around and bustling with action. I think it was under some sort of renovation for abit so not too sure if the reno changed anything.

And adding. If it did, I'd then drop the thought of revisiting an old joint for even older memories sake and head back to CP for some recently acquired memories from the stag party I threw some of the boys.

Fast Eddie 48
02-18-09, 01:08
hey Wadman,

just to clarify about this overnite sauna biz.

If I book a room a 8pm, pay the bill for room and gal, pick a gal, do my deed. then the gal leaves and I sleep on the bed by myself (or is overnite with same gal available?) sleep on the same sticky bed sheets that all you ISG members cum on during the whole day. Wake up in the morning (stuck to the bed sheet) and get thrown out into the morning traffic.--ha ha .
Did I get this right?

PTTo PT

When me and wadman first arrive at Hui Mei one of the girl told us we can stay overnight and I ask even now it was 8 pm, we ask the manager after 2 line up he confirm it was after midnight and that is standard for most sauna in Dongguan and Zhu Hai and most place allow you to stay until 10am, but the girlleave after the 90 min sessions.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48
02-18-09, 01:41
Many of us used to stay at the Miraton until they started raising rates. Part of the demand may have been from this forum. 268 is the rate we used to pay when the hotel first opened.

As far as location is concerned, the Miraton, Hui Mei, Virgin, Hui Hua, etc. are better. They are more centrally located with more eating, drinking and shopping options within walking distance. But, in terms of value for money and easy access to BBS, Swan Lake, Clipper, etc. are better. Depends on what is more importatant.

I reckon all hotel rates are currently negotiable. I even have hotel managers calling me asking when I am back in town. Business must be pretty bad at the moment.

Just my POV.To Oah,

I think many of the small hotel will go out of business soon in CP, many resturant and business is closing, the clipper hotel is only 20% full during the week and Mahantan and mayflower just open down the st.

CP is going down hill fast most Honger Konger is staying away crime rate is going up and girl quality is down, one of my friend is trying to rent his 2 bed room apartment with furniture for 1500 rmb a month no taker, I spend 2 night here last week actions is so bad I head to Zhu hai and Shenzhen have a much better time there.

Fast Eddie 48

Amadeuss
02-18-09, 06:25
OK, alright, let me give you some pointers for ChangPing.

Hotel room
High end: 350-450 rmb (HuiHua, Miraton)

KTV (girls)
High end: 2-5-8 = 200 sitting fee, 500 ST, 800 LT (HuiHua, Miraton, HuiMei, Virgin, JiaYi, etc)
Low end: 1-3-6 (Swanlake KTV)

BBS
Yalan area BBSs: 200 ST, 500 LT
HuiMei backalley BBSs: 150/400
Nightmarket: 130/300
Plus taxi money coming and going if your hotel isn't real close.

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Perhaps can you clarify:

BBS is normally a bare blow job...or am I wrong?

I am not in KTV's and massage so much but prefer to get a gal into my room, be it LT overnight or afternoon ST. Whats the best area to pick them up near the Miraton Hotel, where I will stay.

Thanks

SE Asia Joe
02-18-09, 06:31
Sometimes…. Sometimes I wish that I didn’t know so much about WG’s, Xiaojies, KTV’s, BBs etc etc!!

Am sharing the following info so that you guys know exactly what all happens when you do/pay whatever it is that you guys do/pay when with a Swan Lake gal. And basically, most BBS’s in CP has similar “regulations, enforcement tactics and fine system”

Prior to starting, they must pay a “Uniform/dress Fee” RMB 180, and are made to agree that they will make 2 KTV room bookings/month or pay RMB 200 fine.
They are only allowed 4 days/month off for when they’re on their period (physically checked for such) or sick (doctor’s note required). If they take ANY days off beyond that, they must pay RMB 140.

For “take-outs –
RMB 200 ST, 100 to the House
RMB 500 LT, 140 to the House

For 1-3-6 KTV
RMB 100 for sitting, 20 to House
RMB 300 for sitting and ST, 140 to the House
RMB 600 for sitting and LT, 140 to the House.

If they are caught out trying to cheat the House out of any of the above cuts, they are fined RMB 1,000 – and may face a beating. Subsequent violations will result in a definite beating and further fines.

…..MORE…..//

SE Asia Joe
02-18-09, 06:33
Sometimes I wish…. Part 2//

On a daily basis, they are required to show up with full make-up (RMB 10) usually with fake eye-lashes (RMB 10), Hair done up (RMB 10), eat ( RMB 15-25), transport (RMB 10) and of course to have their own housing (RMB 250-1,000/month). Thus even before they do anything, they’ve got to scrounge up RMB 55-65/day (RMB 1,650-1,950/month) and whatever the monthly rental – all expenses that they didn’t have when they work at a factory, restaurant or other “legit” jobs.

When they want to quit, depending on the circumstances and solely at the discretion of the House, they may either be let off (say to go home or to go to another town etc) or be required to pay RMB 2,000. And even when they’ve already paid this RMB 2,000, they are not allowed to – at the house’s own judgment/discretion – to service any of their previously acquired SWL clients. Violations will result in beatings.

What is it that the “house” provides? Venue and a team of “overseers” – a “puller” from the streets, a sub-mommie for a group of gals, a main mommie, a head of mommies, a BBS manager, a KTV manager, and a bunch of “enforcers” who’s main job is to beat the gals up when required – and of course to get free servicing when they so desire. And of course, a sort of “protection” from the LE.

With the above info, I hope you guys will not only understand/empathize more with their lot and be a bit more compassionate. No, not suggesting that y’all now turn into BSD’s throwing $$ at them – but that at least you realize how little they actually make and how difficult it is for them.

Peace!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-18-09, 07:18
Perhaps can you clarify:

BBS is normally a bare blow job...or am I wrong?

I am not in KTV's and massage so much but prefer to get a gal into my room, be it LT overnight or afternoon ST. Whats the best area to pick them up near the Miraton Hotel, where I will stay.

Thanks
OK - as far as I know, Botak means Bald - right? Well, a botak person don't need to go to a REAL BBS - but he will still go to our kind of BBS!! You get it yet??

OK OK OK, enough screwing around.... apologies for being flippant - but the BBS's we write about refers to "Barbershops" - and it refers to both those shops 1. With a sprinkling of hair cutting tools lying around - and lotsa heavily made-up, skimpily dressed gal 'Beauticians" sitting around, as well as 2. Just a barren room with the same type of gals sitting around and clamoring you when you walk in.

By the way - you may want to click on that "Abbreviations" tag on top of this page you're reading for a full list of common terminologies we use on ISG - and I would suggest - also most other mongering web sites.

Ciao

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-18-09, 07:24
Perhaps can you clarify:

BBS is normally a bare blow job...or am I wrong?

I am not in KTV's and massage so much but prefer to get a gal into my room, be it LT overnight or afternoon ST. Whats the best area to pick them up near the Miraton Hotel, where I will stay.

Thanks
Ooops - got all excited writin' about BBS nonsense and forgot about your 2nd question!!

Best area would be the BBS's in the alley behind the Hui Mei hotel. there's tons of info on this here. Actually, as a senior member, I do think that you should have known to RTFF first before asking questions like these. You agree?

Please DO read this thread at least 10 pages or so, and if you've still got more questions, then I'll try to answer you - Deal??

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48
02-18-09, 07:35
OK - as far as I know, Botak means Bald - right? Well, a botak person don't need to go to a REAL BBS - but he will still go to our kind of BBS!! You get it yet??

OK OK OK, enough screwing around.... apologies for being flippant - but the BBS's we write about refers to "Barbershops" - and it refers to both those shops 1. With a sprinkling of hair cutting tools lying around - and lotsa heavily made-up, skimpily dressed gal 'Beauticians" sitting around, as well as 2. Just a barren room with the same type of gals sitting around and clamoring you when you walk in.

By the way - you may want to click on that "Abbreviations" tag on top of this page you're reading for a full list of common terminologies we use on ISG - and I would suggest - also most other mongering web sites.

Ciao

SEAJTo SEAJ /Botaki6

Jeez Joe answer the newbie question, the newbie want a BBBJ at bbs that a blow job not a bald job.

Botaki most girl at CP bbs offer BBBJ some of the new girl do not so ask the girl upfront before you pick them.

Over and out,

fast eddie 48

Waterfish7788
02-18-09, 09:03
Freepeaks,

Miraton is the first hotel to come to their senses, they have a promotion going on: 268 for lower level rooms, 288 for upper level rooms. No surcharge on weekends. Until March 31. Miraton used to charge 338/358 for weekday/weekend.Gave then a call today and they told me lower floor ie. 10th and 11th are RMB 288 and 13th Floor and above are RMB 308. Is there any magic keyword i can used to get RMB 268? Told her friend got offered loser prices but still no success.

Waterfish7788

Rsxtypes
02-18-09, 11:08
To Oah,

I think many of the small hotel will go out of business soon in CP, many resturant and business is closing, the clipper hotel is only 20% full during the week and Mahantan and mayflower just open down the st.

CP is going down hill fast most Honger Konger is staying away crime rate is going up and girl quality is down, one of my friend is trying to rent his 2 bed room apartment with furniture for 1500 rmb a month no taker, I spend 2 night here last week actions is so bad I head to Zhu hai and Shenzhen have a much better time there.

Fast Eddie 48I was planning a long-delayed trip to CP (tentatively in March) when I stumbled upon FE48's post.

Is it realistic to expect better pickings as the weather (and possibly local economy) improves come March, or should I head to MC/ ZH/ SZ?

PrinceMV2
02-18-09, 11:19
Hi, wt a great report that teaches all the mongers how to save themselves from KTV rip offs. I really wish I could be there with you 14 guys. It could have been a great learning experience. Anyhow I will be going to gz & CP in may last. May I hope I can meet some of you MASTERS there.

Regards

Manfest
02-18-09, 17:25
--cut--

For “take-outs –
RMB 200 ST, 100 to the House
RMB 500 LT, 140 to the House

--cut--

For the BBS:

RMB 200 is the total payment (from the monger). RMB 100 goes to the house upfront and 100 more afterwards, for ST.

RMB 500 is the total payment for LT. My experience is 100 goes to the house upfront and 400 afterwards. My interpretation of your note is that the xiaojie pays an additional 40 to the house from her proceeds?

One caveat, this pricing is for the Yalan area. Behind HM and Night market, it is 150 total for ST. I heard slightly less at the market if you can negotiate! :)

Please clarify, thanks

Dan Hawaii
02-18-09, 19:04
Sometimes I wish…. Part 2//

On a daily basis, they are required to show up with full make-up (RMB 10) usually with fake eye-lashes (RMB 10), Hair done up (RMB 10), eat ( RMB 15-25), transport (RMB 10) and of course to have their own housing (RMB 250-1,000/month). Thus even before they do anything, they’ve got to scrounge up RMB 55-65/day (RMB 1,650-1,950/month) and whatever the monthly rental – all expenses that they didn’t have when they work at a factory, restaurant or other “legit” jobs.

SEAJ
Hey SEAJ, stop buying cell phones for these girls. These girls don't have it bad. Come on dude. Okay lets go back to your math:

Let's say average expenses per day is 60 rmb.
So 1800 per month

Let's assume their revenue is an average of 500 rmb per day (this includes, ST and LT and also factor in red period and days off). I think this is a real honest figure, if you account the LT, which is 360 already, I know they don't get LT everyday, but this is just an average. Because, if they do get an LT, they only need 1.4 ST (if this was possible) that day. And you and I know that 2 to 5 ST per day is pretty easy to fathom.

So their revenue is 15,000 rmb per month, minus expenses of 2,000, which equals to 13,000 rmb profit per month. This equals to $1,900 USD per month.

I'm not sure but isn't $23,000 per month around the average person income in the USA? Oh, but I forgot, that was before taxes income. So just minus 25% off that.

Not to mention the lovely ladies get free phones from a well known and respected ISG member if they sign a 1 day service contract. ;)

I know providers are sacrificing a lot, and I do repect them and treat them well. But I do believe they are well compensated for their profession and I'am not complaining about their income. IMHO, they are compensated well, if this was not true, they would work in other industries.

Wadman
02-19-09, 04:13
Dannii Hawaii,

As logical as your calculations seem, it doesn't quite work this way. Because there is such a huge discrepancy in what the girl earn on weekday vs weekend, it's tough to do calculations. The easiest way is to ask the girls. Which I did. Ah Pui, Joe's favourite (well, one of his favourites anyway) clears 8,000 rmb a month. That's 8,000 after all mommy fees, house fees, etc. Apparently, she is the highest earner at that BBS (coincidence, Joe...?). Other girls make 6,000, or less.

The problem with Ah Pui is that she is a lousy card player. She told me she lost 8,000 rmb in a night once, ouch! But with the ATM rolling into town pretty much every week, I guess she will be allright.

And then there is another big ticket expense: the boyfriend/pimp. The "house" (BBS or KTV) does not really settle disputes on behalf of the girls. Not the big disputes, if you get my drift. For those, she needs backup. The boyfriend typically smokes and plays cards with his buddies all day. But still needs money, obviously.

The girls fight amongst themselves too. A girl without a boyfriend is much more likely to get picked on.



Hey SEAJ, stop buying cell phones for these girls. These girls don't have it bad. Come on dude. Okay lets go back to your math:

Let's say average expenses per day is 60 rmb.
So 1800 per month

Let's assume their revenue is an average of 500 rmb per day (this includes, ST and LT and also factor in red period and days off). I think this is a real honest figure, if you account the LT, which is 360 already, I know they don't get LT everyday, but this is just an average. Because, if they do get an LT, they only need 1.4 ST (if this was possible) that day. And you and I know that 2 to 5 ST per day is pretty easy to fathom.

So their revenue is 15,000 rmb per month, minus expenses of 2,000, which equals to 13,000 rmb profit per month. This equals to $1,900 USD per month.

I'm not sure but isn't $23,000 per month around the average person income in the USA? Oh, but I forgot, that was before taxes income. So just minus 25% off that.

Not to mention the lovely ladies get free phones from a well known and respected ISG member if they sign a 1 day service contract. ;)




I know providers are sacrificing a lot, and I do repect them and treat them well. But I do believe they are well compensated for their profession and I'am not complaining about their income. IMHO, they are compensated well, if this was not true, they would work in other industries.

Well, the word on the street is that some girls are staying away. Going back to their hometowns, or staying there. Because business is so bad in CP. The logic seems to be: If you cannot earn a certain amount, why bother to be a hooker and sell yourself.

Wadman
02-19-09, 04:31
Gave then a call today and they told me lower floor ie. 10th and 11th are RMB 288 and 13th Floor and above are RMB 308. Is there any magic keyword i can used to get RMB 268? Told her friend got offered loser prices but still no success.

Waterfish7788

I think below 10th floor is 268, above 288, and some even nicer rooms are 308. On a weekday, it's a bit doubtful that things are full to the point where they have to (I know they want to) shuffle you off to the higher priced rooms.

SE Asia Joe
02-19-09, 05:16
Dan Dan Dan!!

First thing first, you forgot their monthly rent, and secondly your average of RMB 500/day is wildly off unless the gal is a Gong Li or Zhang Ziyi look-alike.

And your "2 to 5 ST per day is pretty easy to fathom" - Can YOU fathom having to do 2 to 5 of even the best selection of xiaojies?? EVERY DAY?? Never mind some (most!!) of the Fat assed, dirty smelling, ancient sweat bags that these gals gotta do!! Easy to fathom huh?

You of course realize that they factor in at least 2 hours for each John - including travelling time and two showers@. Add to that their "sitting around being shown off as Pink colour" - how the hell did you come up with 2 to 5 average? Also please note that their "golden hour" (and when we guys do our chicken run) only lasts maximum 3 hours from 4 to 7, with the rest of the time usually really slow times - even during week-ends!

2 maximum 3 is likely only on Friday/Saturday and 0.5 to 1 the norm during the weekdays as a lot of these gals comes up "blank" especially on Sunday/Monday. And here I'm talking about some of the more popular gals like Bing2, Cien2 or perhaps even A Pui - Most the rest "plainer looking ones" (and even these I would suggest, would still be considered a stunner on any Campus on any U.S. Univeristy! Even in Hawaii!!) come up "blank" much more often.

And as far as being "well compensated" is concerned, OK, you and I may have come to different amounts as to what their TOTAL MONTHLY income really is - but let's consider the actual Micro Economics of the RMB 200 fee.

First thing first - do you really feel it conscienable that their "minders" take 50% of their fee up-front.... and then back-charge them for so many other miscellaneuous expenses (And BTW - they keep changing around the rules and fines and things they consider transgression - depending on.... God knows what!!).

So they're left with RMB 100.... and begging, cajoling even sometimes threatening the punter for an extra RMB10, 20 or 30 xiao fei. So.....compare this with if you ever tip your car valet US$10 - just to retrieve your car? Or pay the extortionate 18% or so "Tip" on a party of 6's bill of US$500 = US$90.00 = RMB 612?? And here you're paying a hot 18 year old to be buck naked, blow your wrinkled old dick, ride you Chinese Cowboy style and whatever else style.... and then being chastised for not blowing you long enough, or spitting out because your pecker truly does stink to high heaven or that their legs/body have gone plain ole numb from being under your fat ass?? Ooooooh.... I is getting personal here ain't I - sollly, don't mean it - but no - let's face it - most of US - we ARE like that ain't we (Oh.... perhaps not OWL.... of course!!)

Plain enuff calcullations???

SEAJ

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Hey SEAJ, stop buying cell phones for these girls. These girls don't have it bad. Come on dude. Okay lets go back to your math:

Let's say average expenses per day is 60 rmb.
So 1800 per month

Let's assume their revenue is an average of 500 rmb per day (this includes, ST and LT and also factor in red period and days off). I think this is a real honest figure, if you account the LT, which is 360 already, I know they don't get LT everyday, but this is just an average. Because, if they do get an LT, they only need 1.4 ST (if this was possible) that day. And you and I know that 2 to 5 ST per day is pretty easy to fathom.

So their revenue is 15,000 rmb per month, minus expenses of 2,000, which equals to 13,000 rmb profit per month. This equals to $1,900 USD per month.

I'm not sure but isn't $23,000 per month around the average person income in the USA? Oh, but I forgot, that was before taxes income. So just minus 25% off that.

Not to mention the lovely ladies get free phones from a well known and respected ISG member if they sign a 1 day service contract. ;)

I know providers are sacrificing a lot, and I do repect them and treat them well. But I do believe they are well compensated for their profession and I'am not complaining about their income. IMHO, they are compensated well, if this was not true, they would work in other industries.

SE Asia Joe
02-19-09, 05:40
Ah Pui, Joe's favourite (well, one of his favourites anyway) clears 8,000 rmb a month. That's 8,000 after all mommy fees, house fees, etc. Apparently, she is the highest earner at that BBS (coincidence, Joe...?). Other girls make 6,000, or less.

The problem with Ah Pui is that she is a lousy card player. She told me she lost 8,000 rmb in a night once, ouch!
That's the trouble with you not being able to understand cantonese Wadman!! She was telling you about Cien2 - who is of course who I consider the BEST looking gal in SWL. She's the one who's got this gambling affliction.... a bad one too! And that RMB 8,000 is her losing on the mahjong table, not cards - before she gained most of it back. Not A Pui - who don't gamble at all


And then there is another big ticket expense: the boyfriend/pimp. The "house" (BBS or KTV) does not really settle disputes on behalf of the girls. Not the big disputes, if you get my drift. For those, she needs backup. The boyfriend typically smokes and plays cards with his buddies all day. But still needs money, obviously.
Yes - that is - or WAS her one bad vice - falling in love! But loving a totally useless wank job. I BELIEVE she's already learnt her lesson and have not only stayed away from him, but also made a solemn promise to herself that she will never again "keep" a guy. Let's see though!!

The girls fight amongst themselves too. A girl without a boyfriend is much more likely to get picked on.And here's the most stupid part of this all - her boyfriend (ex) actually do not even live in CP but in Xiao Guan!! totally stupid!


Well, the word on the street is that some girls are staying away. Going back to their hometowns, or staying there. Because business is so bad in CP. The logic seems to be: If you cannot earn a certain amount, why bother to be a hooker and sell yourself.
But..... for every one that do go back, 2 or 3 more got no other choice but to get in the game as there is no other employment opportunity. Sad but real situation. On top of that, I also see quite a few ex-KTV gals now starting to work at the BBS's as they've been coming up "blank" too many nights at their old KTV.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-19-09, 05:52
For the BBS:

RMB 200 is the total payment (from the monger). RMB 100 goes to the house upfront and 100 more afterwards, for ST.

RMB 500 is the total payment for LT. My experience is 100 goes to the house upfront and 400 afterwards. My interpretation of your note is that the xiaojie pays an additional 40 to the house from her proceeds?

One caveat, this pricing is for the Yalan area. Behind HM and Night market, it is 150 total for ST. I heard slightly less at the market if you can negotiate! :)

Please clarify, thanks
Yes, for LT, the gal will need to phone the Mommie that she's out for LT and then need to pay her an extra RMB40 the next day.

And as for the pricing - this is what the charges are for the Swan Lake KTV Gals - but quite closely matches the other BBS's at the Yalan/Swan Lake road area.

And yes, the Hui Mei back alley area is RMB50 the Mommie and 100 to the gal (a more equitable arrangement!!). As for the Night market, 4 months or so ago I "pressed" the mommies there and discovered that the "true" price is total RMB130 (30 to Mommie, 100 to the gal) and get this - with room for further negotiations!! We at ISG's been over-paying for..... God knows how long!!

SEAJ

Fast Eddie 48
02-19-09, 05:59
I was planning a long-delayed trip to CP (tentatively in March) when I stumbled upon FE48's post.

Is it realistic to expect better pickings as the weather (and possibly local economy) improves come March, or should I head to MC/ ZH/ SZ?RSXtypes,

I am not sure that you been to CP before, but I've been coming to this town since 1998, over 10 years.

It is getting worst and worst.

On my last 3 trips I have a much better time in Shenzhen and Zhu Hai.

The main problem here is the crime rate.

Fast eddie 48

Wadman
02-19-09, 06:21
That's the trouble with you not being able to understand cantonese Wadman!!


What has that got to do with it? I don't speak Cantonese to the girls, Joe! How could I? I speak Mandarin to them. Ah Pui is from Sichuan, if I remember correctly, so speaks Mandarin better than Cantonese.



She was telling you about Cien2 - who is of course who I consider the BEST looking gal in SWL. She's the one who's got this gambling affliction.... a bad one too! And that RMB 8,000 is her losing on the mahjong table, not cards - before she gained most of it back. Not A Pui - who don't gamble at all

Yes - that is - or WAS her one bad vice - falling in love! But loving a totally useless wank job. I BELIEVE she's already learnt her lesson and have not only stayed away from him, but also made a solemn promise to herself that she will never again "keep" a guy. Let's see though!!
And here's the most stupid part of this all - her boyfriend (ex) actually do not even live in CP but in Xiao Guan!! totally stupid!


My believe is that most girls keep a boyfriend/pimp in town. They will not tell you, deny it, of course. Because she doesn't want to make you jealous, feel physically threathened, and it's a bit embarassing (she gives bf money, it should be other way around in China).



But..... for every one that do go back, 2 or 3 more got no other choice but to get in the game as there is no other employment opportunity. Sad but real situation. On top of that, I also see quite a few ex-KTV gals now starting to work at the BBS's as they've been coming up "blank" too many nights at their old KTV.


Well, when the shit hit the economic fan, a lot of guys were thinking that with factory closures, there would be a lot more girls in CP. Coupled with fewer guys being able to afford going to CP, it would make for monger heaven. I highly doubt it.
1. As mentioned before, some girls will not work in CP if earnings are too low
2. The people that control the town won't let it happen. They will not allow guys-girls ratio to get to the point where it becomes buyer's heaven.
3. Crime will go way up
4. Chinese logic is: fewer customers => must make each pay more to make up for revenue.

Attitude of the girls is improving though, or maybe I am just getting lucky.

OldAsiaHand
02-19-09, 13:00
To Oah,

I think many of the small hotel will go out of business soon in CP, many resturant and business is closing, the clipper hotel is only 20% full during the week and Mahantan and mayflower just open down the st.


FE48,

So that's why she keeps calling me from the Clipper. C'mon guys, help her out a little. She is a nice gal and the hotel is pretty good value for money.

OAH

Dan Hawaii
02-19-09, 21:19
Dan Dan Dan!!

First thing first, you forgot their monthly rent, and secondly your average of RMB 500/day is wildly off unless the gal is a Gong Li or Zhang Ziyi look-alike.

And your "2 to 5 ST per day is pretty easy to fathom" - Can YOU fathom having to do 2 to 5 of even the best selection of xiaojies?? EVERY DAY?? Never mind some (most!!) of the Fat assed, dirty smelling, ancient sweat bags that these gals gotta do!! Easy to fathom huh?

-
My bad wadman and SEAJ, I forgot about the economic woes in China. I remember the days where you have to get to the BBS and ktvs early or they would be all sold out of the hotties and only offerings were the fuglies. And booking ktv rooms one day in advance was a must. Hahaha, those were the bustling days of cp. Where girl number were up and service was lack-luster because of the "rush" factor.... Time was money for the girls.

I wish I could come and party with the crew and get back out to CP to help its economy, need an excuse to get back there. Any suggestions/excuses I can tell the SO?

Wayne C
02-20-09, 01:30
Hi guys,

Has anyone ever stay or heard of silver world in dongguan?

Thanks

Amadeuss
02-20-09, 03:39
To SEAJ /Botaki6

Jeez Joe answer the newbie question, the newbie want a BBBJ at bbs that a blow job not a bald job.

Botaki most girl at CP bbs offer BBBJ some of the new girl do not so ask the girl upfront before you pick them.

Over and out,

fast eddie 48

Mates...sorry...a minute after I sent my question out, I reralized my error on "S" and "J"...yes, perhaps my baldness is freezing up my brain. But can tell you: girls like to polish that botak area just to be stunned of the hairs on the chest still there :-)

Anyway...I DID (!) scroll pages through your reports. But over time things are changing. It seems nowadays more BBS are behind the HuiHin hotel and less around the Miraton. What about the van-sytem? Still existing?

Once you book the gal, will she be sent later then to the hotel - or is she doing the walk-of-shame with you? I hate long walks or add on taxi rides with a pro in tow. I like the Batam system: you book and half an hour later the gal shows up at your doorstep.

One more question: I have to catch a flight out of HK at 10:00 morning. How many hours fm CP by train to HK - Kowloon? Where to get a timetable to know the first train out of CP? From Kowloon, its 35 min to the airport.

Thanks

Fast Eddie 48
02-20-09, 07:54
Mates...sorry...a minute after I sent my question out, I reralized my error on "S" and "J"...yes, perhaps my baldness is freezing up my brain. But can tell you: girls like to polish that botak area just to be stunned of the hairs on the chest still there :-)

Anyway...I DID (!) scroll pages through your reports. But over time things are changing. It seems nowadays more BBS are behind the HuiHin hotel and less around the Miraton. What about the van-sytem? Still existing?

Once you book the gal, will she be sent later then to the hotel - or is she doing the walk-of-shame with you? I hate long walks or add on taxi rides with a pro in tow. I like the Batam system: you book and half an hour later the gal shows up at your doorstep.

One more question: I have to catch a flight out of HK at 10:00 morning. How many hours fm CP by train to HK - Kowloon? Where to get a timetable to know the first train out of CP? From Kowloon, its 35 min to the airport.

ThanksBotaki,

Please forgive uncle Joe ,he like to pick on the new guys ,there are a few bbs around Hui mei and the Miraton ,alot of mommie working the area just get their cell phone number they will bring the girl to your hotel room ,but I like to go to the bbs myself and pick the girl or you will have girl knocking on your door all night long .

There are direct bus service at Hui mei hotel ,first bus is 6 am cost is 180 rmb take 2 hr 30 min to 3 hr with traffic,if your flight is 10 am that will be a close call .

trans island bus office Hui mei hotel 0769-8391-8888

CP to Huang gang Shenzhen every hr 30 rmb
Cp to Hong kong 90 rmb kowloon 80 rmb
CP to HKIA 180 rmb change bus in Shenzhen

www.trans-island.com.hk

Fast eddie 48

SE Asia Joe
02-20-09, 09:05
Mates...sorry...a minute after I sent my question out, I reralized my error on "S" and "J"...yes, perhaps my baldness is freezing up my brain. But can tell you: girls like to polish that botak area just to be stunned of the hairs on the chest still there :-)

Anyway...I DID (!) scroll pages through your reports. But over time things are changing. It seems nowadays more BBS are behind the HuiHin hotel and less around the Miraton. What about the van-sytem? Still existing?

Once you book the gal, will she be sent later then to the hotel - or is she doing the walk-of-shame with you? I hate long walks or add on taxi rides with a pro in tow. I like the Batam system: you book and half an hour later the gal shows up at your doorstep.

One more question: I have to catch a flight out of HK at 10:00 morning. How many hours fm CP by train to HK - Kowloon? Where to get a timetable to know the first train out of CP? From Kowloon, its 35 min to the airport.

Thanks

OK - I'll try to answer some of your questions, as you have been quite an active and informative Senior in other threads - and even though you could have found out all the answers if you DID RTFF!!

But...........Come-on Botak!! Did you really read thru the pages??

For if you did, you would never have asked ".....It seems nowadays more BBS are behind the HuiHin hotel and less around the Miraton....." for we never ever said anything about the alleys behind the Miraton as being where BBS's are - there are NO such BBS's behind the Miraton.

And where/which hotel is the HuiHin? I don't know of such a hotel and I certainly know that we have never written about HuiHin hotel for the past couple or so years on these pages.

OK- answers:


On the Van system - I don;t see that many or that often these days.

On take away - You pay the down payment to the mommie and tell them your hotel and room # - lots of guys do this.

On transport to HKG Airport
- there is direct vans from the Miraton to the airport - just ask the front desk for time/cost etc ( I did write down the exact info a year or so ago - but sure as hell I ain't gonna RTFF myself!!).
-There is no way you can catch a 10am flight if you go by Direct Train to HKG_Hunghom as the first train leaves CP 09:03, arrive Hunghom 10:12. Last Direct train is 20:58-22:05.
- first train CP-SZ starts at 06:57 in the morning, take 30 minutes to Lowu. From there you can either taxi/Metro Train it to Huangang and take a direct bus to the airport, or cross over lowu, go on MTR to sheung shui and local Bus it to the airport

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-20-09, 10:05
Full CRH Train schedules on

http://www.gsrc.com/en/gsyw.aspx?YX_ID=2

SOUTHBOUND: GZ-GZE-CP-SZ
First Train: 06:06 - 06:20 - 06:57 - 07:27
Last Train: XXX - 22:45 - 23:22 - 23:52

NORTHBOUND: SZ-CP-GZE-GZ
First Train: 06:20 - 06:45 - 07:24 - 07:34
Last Train: 22:45 - 23:15 - 23:52 - XXX

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-20-09, 10:59
MTRC Intercity passenger train schedules on;

http://www.it3.mtr.com.hk/B2C/UserPage/sysTimeTable_Eng.asp
Guangzhou-Kowloon Through Train


Hung Hom --> Dongguan (Changping)/Guangzhou East (Northbound)

Train No. Time Schedule
Depart Hung Hom Arrive Dongguan (Changping) Arrive Guangzhou East
T812 07:25 08:36 09:20
T824 (Ktt) 08:18 09:26 10:09
T820 09:24 10:35 11:19
T804 10:42 11:53 12:37
T808 11:28 -- 13:23
T814 12:14 -- 14:09
T826 (Ktt) 13:10 14:18 15:01
T818 14:47 15:58 16:42
T810 16:35 17:46 18:29
T828 (Ktt) 17:50 18:58 19:41
T816 18:35 19:46 20:30
T802 19:24 20:35 21:19


Guangzhou East/Dongguan(Changping) -->Hung Hom (Southbound)

Train No. Time Schedule
Depart Guangzhou East Depart Dongguan (Changping) Arrive Hung Hom
T801 08:19 09:03 10:12
T807 09:03 09:47 10:56
T813 09:50 10:34 11:43
T823 (Ktt) 10:39 11:23 12:29
T817 12:12 -- 14:07
T809 13:52 14:37 15:46
T825 (Ktt) 15:31 16:14 17:21
T815 16:12 16:56 18:05
T803 16:56 17:40 18:49
T819 18:15 18:59 20:08
T827 (Ktt) 20:15 20:58 22:05
T811 21:32 -- 23:25


SEAJ

Beijing Xiber
02-20-09, 12:10
Hi guys,

Has anyone ever stay or heard of silver world in dongguan?

Thanks

Wayne C:

There are 2 SW hotels in Dongguan. One in town and the other closer to the east train station. I have stayed at the one near the east train station. There was a huge spa at the back of the property. Almost as big as the hotel itself. Great service.

There also is a ktv. 5 star decorations and some stunners in the lot. My information is a bit old as it has been at least a year or so since I was last there.

If you get a room facing the inner side and looking at the hill and pool, you can watch the ktv girls walk to work around 5:30 pm each afternoon. Not sure why they are there so early. Perhaps to have dinner. But we had great fun calling to them from the windows.

Hope that helps and keep safe out there.

BJXB

OldAsiaHand
02-20-09, 12:49
If you get a room facing the inner side and looking at the hill and pool, you can watch the ktv girls walk to work around 5:30 pm each afternoon. Not sure why they are there so early. Perhaps to have dinner. But we had great fun calling to them from the window.
BJXB

BJXB,

For some reason, DG KTV starts early. This is why you saw all the girls at 5:30PM. Case in point is the Jia Ye in CP. You have to get there before 6:30PM or so to grab the stunners.

Just my POV.

OAH

Fast Eddie 48
02-20-09, 17:51
BJXB,

For some reason, DG KTV starts early. This is why you saw all the girls at 5:30PM. Case in point is the Jia Ye in CP. You have to get there before 6:30PM or so to grab the stunners.

Just my POV.

OAHOAH,

I was in CP last saturday when to swan lake at 7.30 pm ,there are only 10 girls and 5 mommie ,when down the st to Jia ye ktv flower st and there are only about 30 girl and room is avalible never see it so bad here.

Fast eddie 48

Wadman
02-20-09, 18:39
So, the latest rumour on the street is that the Mayflower KTV (WuYueHua) will not open anytime soon, because the others are paying it off. As in, other KTVs have banded together to pay off Mayflower to keep its doors shut.

Mayflower is supposed to be the latest and greatest. Same format as JiaYi/TaoYuan, where all the girls are on display in a big hall. Except that Mayflower is supposed to be much bigger, close to 2000 girls total with 1000+ on display at a time.

Fast Eddie 48
02-21-09, 05:11
So, the latest rumour on the street is that the Mayflower KTV (WuYueHua) will not open anytime soon, because the others are paying it off. As in, other KTVs have banded together to pay off Mayflower to keep its doors shut.

Mayflower is supposed to be the latest and greatest. Same format as JiaYi/TaoYuan, where all the girls are on display in a big hall. Except that Mayflower is supposed to be much bigger, close to 2000 girls total with 1000+ on display at a time.Wadman,

I think that is just a Rumour with the economy the way it they will delay this.

I heard the hotel itself is open with no business, 1000 girl I belive it when I see it.

Fast eddie 48

SE Asia Joe
02-21-09, 15:11
OAH,

I was in CP last saturday when to swan lake at 7.30 pm ,there are only 10 girls and 5 mommie ,when down the st to Jia ye ktv flower st and there are only about 30 girl and room is avalible never see it so bad here.

Fast eddie 48
OAH,

I was in CP last saturday when to swan lake at 7.30 pm ,there are only 10 girls and 5 mommie ,when down the st to Jia ye ktv flower st and there are only about 30 girl and room is avalible never see it so bad here.

Fast eddie 48
Really cannot understand why you had such a hard time in CP.
We are here - 10 of us at Virgin KTV and none of us had any problems getting good BBS, Sauna and now of course KTV gals.

For example, the Hui Mei alley was well stocked with at least 15 gals in each shop at 5 PM - and this is Saturday. And the Yalan BBS's had lots of new gals as well as the good ole regulars coming back.

And tonight I am accompanied by another KTV "virgin" i.e. ex- printing sales gal who's biz is just so bad that she had to work at the Virgin.

Hey - a KTV Virgin at the Virgin KTV - Now you tell me - are we poetic or wot??!!

SEAj

Wadman says: but he forgets to say, I show up at the Virgin at 7:40 and the picking were the shits! Good thing I don't really need a girl. And Joe's "printing girl", well, as usual he is promising her the world.

Wallyp88
02-22-09, 05:47
OAH,

I was in CP last saturday when to swan lake at 7.30 pm ,there are only 10 girls and 5 mommie ,when down the st to Jia ye ktv flower st and there are only about 30 girl and room is avalible never see it so bad here.

Fast eddie 48Last Sat I was at Yalan area BBS and JY KTV too and agreed the stock was bad. Reason: it was Valentine's Day, all the gals with boyfriends and regular were all out for a romantic night, which means 60-70% of the gals not workng.

Wadman
02-22-09, 11:38
Yes, the economy is the big underlying factor obviously. But consider this: business is pretty bad for all the KTVs in CP now. When we left Virgin KTV last night, the mommy practically begged us to come back by summing up all the freebies she comped us. It was a bit pathetic to be honest, any more and she would be on her knees begging us. If Mayflower did manage to open up somehow with 1000+ girls, the other KTVs would see business go down a whole lot more while everyone is going to Mayflower KTV for the novelty factor alone.

The Mayflower buildings look pretty impressive from the outside.


Wadman,

I think that is just a Rumour with the economy the way it they will delay this.

I heard the hotel itself is open with no business, 1000 girl I belive it when I see it.

Fast eddie 48

Ibaski
02-22-09, 17:48
Botak,

I only know of one BBS behind Miraton.

The earliest bus to HKIA is from Miraton. EE bus. I have taken this to comfortably catch my 10.30 AM flight out of HKIA.

SE Asia Joe
02-23-09, 05:08
Yup - CRIME!! On the rise in Dongguan and surrounds. Pity!

1. last Sunday morning 3 a.m. - two guys and a gal rush out of the Swan Lake Hotel, followed on the next elevator down by a half naked guy shouting furiously and incoherently.

Hotel version - guy tried to stiff the gal and so she phones her "friends" to get her just rewards.
Street version - Pre-planned - gal tempts guy, they go up to room, she get him to take shower and then fone friends; They then rob the guy off everything - including his clothes which they dumped - to prevent him from chasing after them

BOTH scenarios NOT what any one of us would like to happen.

2. Last last Friday 10 pm - street in fron of the Swan Lake. Guy crossing street, blocked by a taxi, two motorcyclist comes up, pointed a knife and robbed him calmly in front of at least a dozen by-standers.

Relayed to Big Swingin Dave and I by the grocery store owner across the SWL - where we sat at to watch the passing traffic.... and gals.

Be careful out there guys!!

SEAJ

Wallyp88
02-23-09, 06:39
Yup - CRIME!! On the rise in Dongguan and surrounds. Pity!

1. last Sunday morning 3 a.m. - two guys and a gal rush out of the Swan Lake Hotel, followed on the next elevator down by a half naked guy shouting furiously and incoherently.I will stick to Huihua or Miraton, at least I feel safe, and now you can get rate below RMB300.

Amadeuss
02-23-09, 06:53
Botak,

I only know of one BBS behind Miraton.

The earliest bus to HKIA is from Miraton. EE bus. I have taken this to comfortably catch my 10.30 AM flight out of HKIA.

Thanks...also to SE ASIA JOE...valuable infos! (yes..saw the bus info from you. But it was dated and seems it changed nowadays)

Most likely will take the train to Shenzen, as Miraton didnt come back with their bus schedule yet. Will tell you what happened.

In general, I am an olde hand mongering in the region - also in China. My favs are the Indon lasses and Phil honeys...simply because I can not only shag them but also chit chat with them. That lack of language knowlege makes it for me in China challenging to get what I want. Furthermore, Chinese chicks are the most business-minded cold fuckers in the region. The constant hassling on paying more sometimes pisses me off.
But then...there are some real gems... :-)

SE Asia Joe
02-23-09, 06:57
Botak,

I only know of one BBS behind Miraton.

.

Huh?? Where? More info please.

Never seen/heard of any behind the Miraton.
That'd be great if there is a competing BBS there.

You sure its not the alley behind the Hui Mei and which we write quite extensively about?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-23-09, 07:09
Thanks...also to SE ASIA JOE...valuable infos! (yes..saw the bus info from you. But it was dated and seems it changed nowadays)

Most likely will take the train to Shenzen, as Miraton didnt come back with their bus schedule yet. Will tell you what happened.

In general, I am an olde hand mongering in the region - also in China. My favs are the Indon lasses and Phil honeys...simply because I can not only shag them but also chit chat with them. That lack of language knowlege makes it for me in China challenging to get what I want. Furthermore, Chinese chicks are the most business-minded cold fuckers in the region. The constant hassling on paying more sometimes pisses me off.
But then...there are some real gems... :-)
OH Botak - you sure about reading my bus info??which I'll re-post.... just for you..... as well others who may find it useful.... and since I think that the Miraton will most likely NOT come back to you. This bus service has nothing to do with them except that the Miraton is a pick up point and that their Business centre will arrange the service - for a fee - for their in-house guests.


Just got back from Miraton and picked up a brochure on the bus service Miraton/HK Airport. Eternal East bus, www.eebus.com, (852)3760-0888, (755)8389-3166. Airport phone (852)2261-0176.
Airporrt to Miraton - every half hour on the hour and half hour from 10:00 to 19:30. (go to A08 Service kiosk at airport)
From Miraton to Airport 6:30, 7:30 8:30 9:30 10:30 14:30 15:30 16:30
Single Trip RMB168 RT 298. at Miraton, Phone (0769)8302-8888.
And that thing about you thinking the Chinese gals are the most business-minded cold fuckers in the region - WOW!! Not my take on them at all. Fact is, quite a few of them are, I think, comparatively very naive.
SEAJ

Chang Ping
02-23-09, 08:01
Hey SEAJ, stop buying cell phones for these girls. These girls don't have it bad. Come on dude. Okay lets go back to your math:

Let's say average expenses per day is 60 rmb.
So 1800 per month

...IMHO, they are compensated well, if this was not true, they would work in other industries.Read in the papers that university students in China are taking up jobs as domestic helpers as they can't find enough jobs. Point of that story that relates to Dan's is that the average Univ grad salary is 1, 400 rmb per mth! To his point. These gals are doing well. Very well

Quick shout out of tks and great meeting up with Wadman, SEAJ, BSDave, Slowhand (? Did I get this right), Max, etc

Great bunch of guys to hang out with and monger.

I must have picked a real hottie from Swan Lake. Claims to be asst mommy. I couldn't care less really. I guess its just her way of telling me that she is hot commodity that chooses which john she fucks and that I was her lucky john for the week!

Well, she was a good performer and a real cutie but ceste la vie!

Till next we meet boys!.

Chang Ping
02-23-09, 08:15
Oh and err. I expect to see an FR on this same Swan Lake hottie from slowhand because he called me specifically for her number (after eyeing her from across the room two nights in a row)!

Also of special mention is that the average cost of KTVing has gone down tremendously. At risk of being accused and stereotyped as BSDs. We were used to paying average of 500-600 rmb per person for partying at KTVs in CP. For this trip, in spirit of the depressed economy, we managed to do this at a range of 170rmb. 320 rmb tops! And all this without stinging on drinks or curtailing our fun!

How you might ask? Well, its a combination of:

1 having a good and cooperative DJ, Mommy, insider

2 who agrees to go with the min room charge BUT no more than that

3 allow you to bring in your duty free liquor plus mixers etc

We did this at all the ktvs. Ie swan lake, peninsula, star of stars and Ji an (last two are in chang an)

Amadeuss
02-24-09, 02:49
This bus service has nothing to do with them except that the Miraton is a pick up point and that their Business centre will arrange the service .

And that thing about you thinking the Chinese gals are the most business-minded cold fuckers in the region - WOW!! Not my take on them at all. Fact is, quite a few of them are, I think, comparatively very naive.
SEAJ

Miraton was offering me their hotel-car for 1400 RMB... On the eebus page all in Chinese characters... How long will it take incl border transfer to HK-airport? 2 hours max?

And dont get me wrong on my comment "cold fuckers": experiences from my side may be caused by my inferior language skills in Chinese. Chatting naughty stuff and making a girl laugh will make her juices flow quickly.
Anyway, I dont give up....yet.... :-)

SE Asia Joe
02-24-09, 05:30
Oh and err. I expect to see an FR on this same Swan Lake hottie from slowhand because he called me specifically for her number (after eyeing her from across the room two nights in a row)!

Also of special mention is that the average cost of KTVing has gone down tremendously. At risk of being accused and stereotyped as BSDs. We were used to paying average of 500-600 rmb per person for partying at KTVs in CP. For this trip, in spirit of the depressed economy, we managed to do this at a range of 170rmb. 320 rmb tops! And all this without stinging on drinks or curtailing our fun!

How you might ask? Well, its a combination of:

1 having a good and cooperative DJ, Mommy, insider

2 who agrees to go with the min room charge BUT no more than that

3 allow you to bring in your duty free liquor plus mixers etc

We did this at all the ktvs. Ie swan lake, peninsula, star of stars and Ji an (last two are in chang an)
Ha Ha Ha!! I think you're gonna be well and truly disappointed waiting for a report from "slowhand" (and I believe you mean Slower Better) as he has a bad (or is it good?!!) habit of going after gals who've been "field-tested" by one of us and passed! So its just regular modus operandi for him.

On top of that, he is famous - and continually builds on his reputation - for doing his patented "jimmys" - which means multiple gals DAILY - all done slower..... and better!! Hell, if you're expecting a report from him....... when is he gonna have the time to do the 3 or 4 gals minimum he does daily??

On the KTV charges - YES - of course it's gone down - and its got most to do with one specific guy keeping track of the charges..... and giving the marching orders to the DJ's, Mommies and managers etc to make sure that they KNOW that we ain't gonna tolerate no nonsense.

This is what I've been advocating all the time - and it's good that there's now more like-minded mongers amongst us!! Let's keep our guards up and make sure that these Vultures from the KTV don't take advanatage of our usual good nature. Good natured - yes, friendly - yes, well mannered - yes, fair - yes: BUT we're not gonna be suckers!! OK?

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-24-09, 05:37
Miraton was offering me their hotel-car for 1400 RMB... On the eebus page all in Chinese characters... How long will it take incl border transfer to HK-airport? 2 hours max?

And dont get me wrong on my comment "cold fuckers": experiences from my side may be caused by my inferior language skills in Chinese. Chatting naughty stuff and making a girl laugh will make her juices flow quickly.
Anyway, I dont give up....yet.... :-)
Hotel car for RMB 1400??!! Oh WOW!!! I'd say that unless you got 6 other guys to travel with you in the van, that I'd politely decline their generous "offer"

On the Chinese web site - well, you COULD get a Chinese reading friend to look at it - or else try translating it (Amikai, Google translator etc) but your best bet would be to just fone the numbers I gave you. What do you think Botak? Good suggestion?

On travel time - I'd say it should be AT LEAST 2 hours and not 2 hours max. NO WAY!! More like 2-1/2 - 3 hours with average traffic.

".....Chatting naughty stuff and making a girl laugh will make her juices flow quickly. ....." Hmmmmm..... now I'm really starting to wonder about you!!!

Ciao

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-24-09, 05:45
I will stick to Huihua or Miraton, at least I feel safe, and now you can get rate below RMB300.
CHICKEN!!!
Live a bit on the wild side!!
Like Santa said - ain't nuthi' better than stayin' at a hoor-house. And there' ain't any better hoor-houses than at Swam Lake Road!!

Oooops - sorry for making such a tongue in cheek comment. Just havin' a bit of fun!!
Hope you don't mind!!

SEAJ

Ps. by the way - our friend Bill had a similar experience last year at the Miraton - exceptin' that he had enough of a presence of mind to calmly get out of any harm. So really, crime can - and does - happen no matter where you stay at. You just got to keep your wits at all times to avoid problems.

Fast Eddie 48
02-24-09, 05:57
Miraton was offering me their hotel-car for 1400 RMB... On the eebus page all in Chinese characters... How long will it take incl border transfer to HK-airport? 2 hours max?

And dont get me wrong on my comment "cold fuckers": experiences from my side may be caused by my inferior language skills in Chinese. Chatting naughty stuff and making a girl laugh will make her juices flow quickly.

Anyway, I dont give up....yet.... :-)Botaki6,

No way 1400 rmb.

At that you should get a helicopter.

There is no way in hell you can get to HKIA in 2 hr.

Don't forget the traffic and border immgration.

The line is very long in the morning.

Fast eddie 48

Chang Ping
02-24-09, 08:54
Ha Ha Ha! I think you're gonna be well and truly disappointed waiting for a report from "slowhand" (and I believe you mean Slower Better) as he has a bad (or is it good? ! ) habit of going after gals who've been "field-tested" by one of us and passed! So its just regular modus operandi for him.

On top of that, he is famous. And continually builds on his reputation. For doing his patented "jimmys". Which means multiple gals DAILY. All done slower. And better! Hell, if you're expecting a report from him. When is he gonna have the time to do the 3 or 4 gals minimum he does daily?

On the KTV charges. YES. Of course it's gone down. And its got most to do with one specific guy keeping track of the charges. And giving the marching orders to the DJ's, Mommies and managers etc to make sure that they KNOW that we ain't gonna tolerate no nonsense.

This is what I've been advocating all the time. And it's good that there's now more like-minded mongers amongst us! Let's keep our guards up and make sure that these Vultures from the KTV don't take advanatage of our usual good nature. Good natured. Yes, friendly. Yes, well mannered. Yes, fair. Yes: BUT we're not gonna be suckers! OK?

SEAJAhhh. Now I know the full meaning of a "jimmy" Well hope he returns the favor next time I call him for a gal he has field tested

Re KTV cost. Yes a BIG TKS to you at Peninsula! And agree with all your points. Aint gonna be a sucker no more!

Sidetrack. Funny thing happened that nite. I asked the number of a gal that one of the guys brought in (she is a peninsula gal as well) and boy did he get pissed and called me all manner of names including "evil" and termed what I did as "hijacking" his gal. Geez. I only asked for her number and nothing else. No other words exchanged betw us nor did we have any other interaction verbal or physical. I may call her but certainly I would do this at least the next day. Gimme that much credit for being tactful right. Sorry just venting here. I mean last time I checked it wasnt like she was someone's wife or wasnt working as a KTV gal. If I had shoved my tongue down her throat or hand my hands full of boobies then hang me. But giving me hell because I asked for her number?

Open to all sorts of views. Cmon guys

Wallyp88
02-24-09, 09:25
CHICKEN!

Live a bit on the wild side!

Like Santa said - ain't nuthi' better than stayin' at a hoor-house. And there' ain't any better hoor-houses than at Swam Lake Road!!

Oooops - sorry for making such a tongue in cheek comment. Just havin' a bit of fun!!
Hope you don't mind!No problem! May even buy you one beer or two if run into you in CP.

SE Asia Joe
02-25-09, 06:26
Sidetrack. Funny thing happened that nite. I asked the number of a gal that one of the guys brought in (she is a peninsula gal as well) and boy did he get pissed and called me all manner of names including "evil" and termed what I did as "hijacking" his gal. Geez. I only asked for her number and nothing else. No other words exchanged betw us nor did we have any other interaction verbal or physical. I may call her but certainly I would do this at least the next day. Gimme that much credit for being tactful right. Sorry just venting here. I mean last time I checked it wasnt like she was someone's wife or wasnt working as a KTV gal. If I had shoved my tongue down her throat or hand my hands full of boobies then hang me. But giving me hell because I asked for her number?

Open to all sorts of views. Cmon guys

Me-thinks that is a plain ole question of common courtesy. Courtesy to the guy who brought the gal in - as well as courtesy to the gal herself.

Courtesy to the guy - The LEAST that you could have done is to first ask him if its OK to ask for her contacts - and to leave it at that if NOT OK. I'm not sure which gal you ask, but I do KNOW that one of us guys had been with his gal for the past 2 or 3 years. Yes, she was a KTV gal, but they now have a very intimate relationship and are even planning things together. Like I said, I'm not sure who you asked - but put yourself in the guy's place if indeed you did ask his long time GF for her digits - like she is still some common street hoor.

Now, even if it was not this gal you asked - is it not just common courtesy to FIRST ask if OK to ask for her digits? I'd expect civilized people to first ask me if I was with a gal - or even if I was using anything - if it was OK for him to borrow her or the thing or whatever.

Common courtesy to the gal - by you going ahead and barging in to whatever the guy and gal was doing - and then asking her for her contacts - again, are you not just treating her like some sort of hooker who will do anything and everything to get business. Yes, the gals may very well be a WG - but there's no reason FOR YOU to act boorishly towards her; especially when she's with a guy who does fancy her (otherwise he wouldn't have chosen her!)

Apologize if I'm being a bit harsh, but you did ask for opinions - plus the fact that the next day, this WAS subject to some discussion amongst us - and it was quite generally agreed that you were in the wrong. Never imagined that you would instead be the one to bring the subject up again and on here.

Ciao

SEAJ

Jettsetter
02-25-09, 07:06
Anybody going to be in CP from March 15-21. I'm out there on some business and wanted to see if any fellow mongers were going to be around to hit some KTV's and drink some beers.

Let me know - PM me...

-Jettsetter

ps, I've been a bunch. always better exploring in groups (and safer).

Chang Ping
02-25-09, 07:33
Me-thinks that is a plain ole question of common courtesy. Courtesy to the guy who brought the gal in. As well as courtesy to the gal herself.

Courtesy to the guy. The LEAST that you could have done is to first ask him if its OK to ask for her contacts. And to leave it at that if NOT OK. I'm not sure which gal you ask, but I do KNOW that one of us guys had been with his gal for the past 2 or 3 years. Yes, she was a KTV gal, but they now have a very intimate relationship and are even planning things together. Like I said, I'm not sure who you asked. But put yourself in the guy's place if indeed you did ask his long time GF for her digits. Like she is still some common street hoor.

Now, even if it was not this gal you asked. Is it not just common courtesy to FIRST ask if OK to ask for her digits? I'd expect civilized people to first ask me if I was with a gal. Or even if I was using anything. If it was OK for him to borrow her or the thing or whatever.

Common courtesy to the gal. By you going ahead and barging in to whatever the guy and gal was doing. And then asking her for her contacts. Again, are you not just treating her like some sort of hooker who will do anything and everything to get business. Yes, the gals may very well be a WG. But there's no reason FOR YOU to act boorishly towards her; especially when she's with a guy who does fancy her (otherwise he wouldn't have chosen her! )

Apologize if I'm being a bit harsh, but you did ask for opinions. Plus the fact that the next day, this WAS subject to some discussion amongst us. And it was quite generally agreed that you were in the wrong. Never imagined that you would instead be the one to bring the subject up again and on here.

Ciao

SEAJTks for telling me this actually but oh gosh. Hmmm it does look like I have unknowingly transgressed some code of conduct and would have appreciated someone letting me know instead of talking behind my back. Again I would put it different standards of what is acceptable and what isn't. I am thinking that (as mentioned in my earlier post) my actions were acceptable as I did not play or interact with this girl while in the room and I merely asked her for her number. So clearly what I did is not acceptable among some but OK with others. It seems I have to calibrate my actions differently amongst different group of mongers.

While I can sense that some sensitivities were touched I don't think its quite the equivalent of being boorish. If I openly flirted with her or fondled her. Yup guilty as charged. But boorish seems a mite strong don't you think?

Just to be clear and put things in context. I did not barge in to anything they were doing. Fact of matter (and perhaps unknown to others), I had complimented the guy on his girl when they first entered in and when I asked him how he got to know her. His reply was a nonchalant with a sweeping hand motion I might add "she is JUST a KTV girl from peninsula". Now unless he wasnt being upfront about how he truly feels about her, I think its only fair to say that HE treated her like a hooker in the manner in which he spoke of her.

They were on their way out (left early) and I stopped to ask her or her number at that juncture.

Would also appreciate any other feedback if there are other matters discussed about me that would help in not offending others unknowingly. Again, I think key here is that intentions were not sinister at my end and I acted what I thought was decent enough given the context.

Wallyp88
02-25-09, 08:16
Botaki6,

No way 1400 rmb.

At that you should get a helicopter.

There is no way in hell you can get to HKIA in 2 hr.

Don't forget the traffic and border immgration.

The line is very long in the morning.

Fast eddie 48I took the MPV van from Miraton to/from HKIA a number of times and the travelling time was about two hours, but always in the afternoon and not during the morning peak hour.

Hideto09
02-25-09, 11:35
Anybody going to be in CP from March 15-21. I'm out there on some business and wanted to see if any fellow mongers were going to be around to hit some KTV's and drink some beers.

Let me know - PM me...

-Jettsetter

PS: I've been a bunch. always better exploring in groups (and safer).I'll be there between 10-17 though.

Kef321
02-25-09, 13:39
Me-thinks that is a plain ole question of common courtesy. Courtesy to the guy who brought the gal in - as well as courtesy to the gal herself.

Courtesy to the guy - The LEAST that you could have done is to first ask him if its OK to ask for her contacts - and to leave it at that if NOT OK. I'm not sure which gal you ask, but I do KNOW that one of us guys had been with his gal for the past 2 or 3 years. Yes, she was a KTV gal, but they now have a very intimate relationship and are even planning things together. Like I said, I'm not sure who you asked - but put yourself in the guy's place if indeed you did ask his long time GF for her digits - like she is still some common street hoor.

Now, even if it was not this gal you asked - is it not just common courtesy to FIRST ask if OK to ask for her digits? I'd expect civilized people to first ask me if I was with a gal - or even if I was using anything - if it was OK for him to borrow her or the thing or whatever.

Common courtesy to the gal - by you going ahead and barging in to whatever the guy and gal was doing - and then asking her for her contacts - again, are you not just treating her like some sort of hooker who will do anything and everything to get business. Yes, the gals may very well be a WG - but there's no reason FOR YOU to act boorishly towards her; especially when she's with a guy who does fancy her (otherwise he wouldn't have chosen her!)

Apologize if I'm being a bit harsh, but you did ask for opinions - plus the fact that the next day, this WAS subject to some discussion amongst us - and it was quite generally agreed that you were in the wrong. Never imagined that you would instead be the one to bring the subject up again and on here.

Ciao

SEAJTotally agree with Joe's assessment. Technically, they are working girls, however it does not mean that real emotions are not involved. In the back of his mind, he expect that girl to sleep with other guys when he's not with her, however, the time that he is with his girl that night then she should be exclusively his. He did pick her and paid for her time.

One cannot assume that since these are working girls, that you can treat them like commodities and it's often more than just business as usually.

Freepeaks
02-25-09, 15:21
Me-thinks that is a plain ole question of common courtesy. Courtesy to the guy who brought the gal in - as well as courtesy to the gal herself.

Courtesy to the guy - The LEAST that you could have done is to first ask him if its OK to ask for her contacts - and to leave it at that if NOT OK.

SEAJ

SEAJ you are way from too harsh. It is courtesy and respect to your fellow mate. If it was one he picked that night, I'd still ask if it was ok to get digits. Now the situation you are talking about, he brought her there, for all purposes it is a 'date' and you decide to grab digits? That is just plain rude. He certainly didn't bring her for you. You don't know their relationship (one day, one month one year...) What of your choices?

I too have been at KTVs where I was invited and there were lookers that I wanted to get their number but were chosen with another bloke. Pass them up - there are so many about it shouldn't be necessary.

I've had it happen to me and I have to say that I was quite pissed especially when I told the guy not to take her number (he asked then ignored my negative response). I knew her for about 4 months and invited her to the KTV. She was a KTV girl for only one month before she quit. It was more than just a one night fun. He went behind my back and lost my respect.

Some girls are just fun, others are friends and you don't know without asking. I have given many numbers out of fun girls and have gotten some
from friends recommendations (SEAJ) but respect their catch dude.

So many fish in CP, stop poaching.

Freepeaks
02-25-09, 15:25
The bus from the HuiHua/Miraton will take 2.25-3.25 hours. 1 hour to Shenzhen and 1 -2 hours from airport. Leave at 6am arrive from 8.15 to 9.15, no predicting the time. Depends on how many pickups (more on Fridays, less during the week though) and how long at the border for Customs/Immigration which can be 15-60 minutes depending on which line they get in, how many lines are open and when they arrive (the more people they pickup, the later they arrive, the longer the line).

10am flight is do-able (I have made a 10.30 international flight). Stay in Shenzhen the last night and take a bus from there (I know they must start at 6am since when I arrive in Shenzhen there are already other vans leaving to cross border), and that will give you another hour.

Xtragrande
02-25-09, 16:56
Previously, used tntproxy to access ISG while in China.

Wonder if this proxy is still working?

Any update would be appreciated

Any experienced bros/seniors going to be around CP these weekends and next. Used to be solo or with a wingman, but hope to join in for a drink and some fun as a group while getting to know the pros here.

Feel free to PM me

XG

Wadman
02-25-09, 18:10
So... met up with OAH, BSDave, Santa, TickTock, Mongergoose, and some other guys in CP today. Some had their regulars, some did the chicken run. Me, I ended up in a sauna. The interesting part is not so much what the girl did, but what she said.

She is 24, from Hunan province. Just average looking, decent body. Used to work as a KTV girl, but couldn't take the drinking anymore, so she switched to sauna. Been working there for about 1 month.

Anyway, she tells me she has 4 regular boyfriends! Yes, that's 4! Boyfriends as in patrons, regular guys who see, fuck and pay her. 2 from Taiwan and 2 from Hong Kong. 1 HK guy goes to CP every week. Apparently she sees him at his request when he is in town. 1 Taiwan guy lives in CP. The other 2 drop in whenever. 4 boyfriends and she works in a sauna! She met all 4 through her KTV time. 2 boyfriends know she works in sauna now. The other 2, she tells them to meet her "after she gets off work".

She has been apartment hunting with 1 boyfriend; he has promised to buy her one. In which case he is a sucker. Or maybe he is just leading her on. Promises don't cost anything after all, and she treats him nicer with the hope of an apartment.

She doesn't wanna get married, doesn't want kids. Doesn't have any plans for the future really.

Oh yeah, her service was superior. I asked her to look at me while sucking on my dick and she complied. Looked at me, smiled, and made funny faces the whole time. Told her to look me in the eye while I shoot in her mouth, and she complied for both rounds.

While we get dressed, I jokingly asked her whether she wants a 5th boyfriend. Sure, she says, and we exchange phone numbers.

BTW: at 1 point I asked her whether she does anal. She said no. I gently fingered her a-hole a bit, and commented how loose it feels. After some more questioning, she admitted that she does anal, in fact did it yesterday. Maybe there is a lot more assfucking going on in China after all. It's just that the girls don't want to do it if they don't have to.

Wadman
02-25-09, 20:16
Oh yeah, btw, cops were cracking down on pedicabs in CP.

Pedicabs are bicycles with a wide backseat (on wheels) attached. Like a rickshaw, but pulled by a bike instead of the coolie on foot. On the intersection closest to Swanlake hotel, the cops were rounding up the vehicles and loading them onto a big, flatbed truck. Poor drivers were complaining loudly of course, to no avail.

My understanding was that these pedicabs were only allowed to come out at night, after dark. However, they started pushing the time, coming out earlier all the time until they were out 24 hours a day.

Manfest
02-25-09, 21:11
Oh yeah, btw, cops were cracking down on pedicabs in CP.

Pedicabs are bicycles with a wide backseat (on wheels) attached. Like a rickshaw, but pulled by a bike instead of the coolie on foot. On the intersection closest to Swanlake hotel, the cops were rounding up the vehicles and loading them onto a big, flatbed truck. Poor drivers were complaining loudly of course, to no avail.

My understanding was that these pedicabs were only allowed to come out at night, after dark. However, they started pushing the time, coming out earlier all the time until they were out 24 hours a day.That's too bad. Last year during the great Miraton-Train station floods, these guys dragged my ass through the muddy water. (Not mentioning the mercenary scalping prices they charged because they were just following the supply-demand curve!)

Chang Ping
02-26-09, 03:26
SEAJ Some girls are just fun, others are friends and you don't know without asking. I have given many numbers out of fun girls and have gotten some from friends recommendations (SEAJ) but respect their catch dude.

So many fish in CP, stop poaching.Freepeaks. I know how you feel and can identify with that. I have been thinking about this for some time now and wonder why this "issue" has come up despite so many years of problem (of this type anyway) free mongering among friends.

The key thing here is that I believe the guy to be disingenuous when I had asked him about his girl. I have been conversing with him on msn since and honestly, he is full of shit and doesn't talk straight. Plays a lot of mind games.

If he had made it known (as you had in your story) that the girl was not JUST a peninsula KTV gal and she was special. Hey I will respect that and stay way clear. I party with the same guys regularly. Not so the same with these gals. So quite obviously I too subscribe to the notion that there are many fish in the sea and "bros before hoes".

Don't. I repeat. Don't tell me the gal means nothing to you (as a form of self esteem defense mechanism or whatever insecurity shit you have) then make a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of it when I ask for her digits.

Chang Ping
02-26-09, 04:07
Seaj

Tks for the lesson in courtesy. I have also been reminded quite vividly that its different rules for different folks.

Its OK if YOU grab my gals in KTV room, without asking my persmission Or strip them, without asking my permission

And my response to all this was a genuine "Hey Joe. Glad you having fun"

I think there may have been a case of mistaken identity (I have been talking to others just to clear up this mess). And clearly I did NOT ask James'(Korean American) gal for her digits. God I treat and respect her like his wife and rightly so!

So if you think you may have done me wrong by slagging me due to a case of mistaken identity, I hope you can do the only decent thing and apologize, in which case I will in no uncertain terms accept and let bygones be bygones. If you can't do that. I will understand, its the whole asian seniority thing. But at least do the decent thing and clear my name. Cease and desist associating me with the guy that did hit on James' gal.

SE Asia Joe
02-26-09, 04:18
So... .

Anyway, she tells me she has 4 regular boyfriends! Yes, that's 4! Boyfriends as in patrons, regular guys who see, fuck and pay her. 2 from Taiwan and 2 from Hong Kong. 1 HK guy goes to CP every week. Apparently she sees him at his request when he is in town. 1 Taiwan guy lives in CP. The other 2 drop in whenever. 4 boyfriends and she works in a sauna! She met all 4 through her KTV time. 2 boyfriends know she works in sauna now. The other 2, she tells them to meet her "after she gets off work".

.
OMIGAWD!!!
THANK YOU lucky Stars.
Thanks God that I don't regularly see any sauna Gals!!

Welllll..... at least, I don't know if I'm seeing a sauna gal or not!!

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-26-09, 04:20
Previously, used tntproxy to access ISG while in China.

Wonder if this proxy is still working?

Any update would be appreciated

Any experienced bros/seniors going to be around CP these weekends and next. Used to be solo or with a wingman, but hope to join in for a drink and some fun as a group while getting to know the pros here.

Feel free to PM me

XG
Try ciaproxy or turbohide.

You will also want to click on "anonymous proxy servers" under "hot Links" on the main page of ISG. Jackson's already wrote extensively on how to go on these proxy servers.

Otherwise, just get on Google and search "free proxy server" - should get you to a page with literally hundreds of these free proxy servers. Then you pick and chose which one works

SEAJ

OldAsiaHand
02-26-09, 04:27
Open to all sorts of views. Cmon guys

IMHO, we must respect the territory. Some guys like to share, other guys don't and can be very possesive regardless of whether their relationship with the girl in one hour, one night, one month or one year. There are too many girls in CP to cause any friction with your mates.

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
02-26-09, 04:38
Tks for telling me this actually but oh gosh. Hmmm it does look like I have unknowingly transgressed some code of conduct and would have appreciated someone letting me know instead of talking behind my back. Again I would put it different standards of what is acceptable and what isn't. I am thinking that (as mentioned in my earlier post) my actions were acceptable as I did not play or interact with this girl while in the room and I merely asked her for her number. So clearly what I did is not acceptable among some but OK with others. It seems I have to calibrate my actions differently amongst different group of mongers.

While I can sense that some sensitivities were touched I don't think its quite the equivalent of being boorish. If I openly flirted with her or fondled her. Yup guilty as charged. But boorish seems a mite strong don't you think?

Just to be clear and put things in context. I did not barge in to anything they were doing. Fact of matter (and perhaps unknown to others), I had complimented the guy on his girl when they first entered in and when I asked him how he got to know her. His reply was a nonchalant with a sweeping hand motion I might add "she is JUST a KTV girl from peninsula". Now unless he wasnt being upfront about how he truly feels about her, I think its only fair to say that HE treated her like a hooker in the manner in which he spoke of her.

They were on their way out (left early) and I stopped to ask her or her number at that juncture.

Would also appreciate any other feedback if there are other matters discussed about me that would help in not offending others unknowingly. Again, I think key here is that intentions were not sinister at my end and I acted what I thought was decent enough given the context.

Hey CP - I believe that there were no intentions to talk behind your back; I walked in on the conversation and I left CP without having the opportunity of seeing you again. Believe that the conversation was initated by the guy who was with the gal you asked re her contacts - and he was pretty steamed up. "Who does he think he is.....Who does he think I am.........What gives him the right....etc etc

Perhaps I used a wrong word "boorish" but really, I just could not come up with any other words to express the opinions you sought.

As far as not interacting with her in any other way - is it correct for me to assume that you equally had little "other interactions" with the guy? In which case, please put youraself in his place - some guy coming up to his date out of the dark - and just blatantly asking for her number, as if she is there on display for sale.

As far as ".... I think key here is that intentions were not sinister at my end ...." - well what do you call it if what you wanted was to also get in her pants?

I again apologize if I'm being harsh on my opinion - but you did ask for it. And let's face it, there's just too damn many options/choices/gals in CP and China that I believe it not worthed to continue with this discussion; as you mentioned, different guys have different tolerance, standards etc - and I'd hate for some of the more radical opinions to surface on this subject.

Ciao and phone me next time you're around

SEAJ

Ps. And here I'd like to take the opportunity of apologizing to guys whose gals I've groped at the usual KTV nights of boisterousness and drunkeness. I know I've done that - and really feel a bit silly that I had done "ALL That" in the past without thinking it through. But Hey - it was all truly just in fun - and usually ends up with all the gals then ganging up and attacking me back. And boy - do they attack!!

OldAsiaHand
02-26-09, 04:39
So... met up with OAH, BSDave, Santa, TickTock, Mongergoose, and some other guys in CP today. Some had their regulars, some did the chicken run.

Weekends may be better but I still think CP is running at a fraction of capacity. The shops were relatively sparse in comparison with the past. Yes, we could still find something doable in Yalan shops, but far less choice. I did a little spinner from some small town in Guangdong. Her oral skills were very good with no spitting and no "enough yet?", "my mouth hurts", etc. Her cowgirl was exceptional. Service rating: 8.

At the night market around 11:00PM, there were very few girls. I did manage to find one from Sichuan that agreed to BBBJCIM only to find out that she would only do CBJ in the room. A major letdown. The FS was not much better with all the fake moaning, "lao gong! lao gong!. Do guys really like this? Service rating: 4.

After the CBJ, I had to stop in Panyu on my way home to get a real, BBBJCIMWS from a SW. IMHO, this is the best 100 RMB spent in China. Service rating: 9+

Just my POV.

OAH

SE Asia Joe
02-26-09, 04:46
Stay in Shenzhen the last night and take a bus from there (I know they must start at 6am since when I arrive in Shenzhen there are already other vans leaving to cross border), and that will give you another hour.
The best way to HKIA from Shenzhen is via the Huanggang border crossing in Futian - and NOT via lowu/luohu. There is a counter window under the end of the staircase leading to/from the taxi ranks that offers these direct airport transfer and which is a breeze to take.

You can also arrange for your hotel to book this same thing - but for them to come to your hotel to pick you up there.

SEAJ

SE Asia Joe
02-26-09, 04:58
Weekends may be better but I still think CP is running at a fraction of capacity. After the CBJ, I had to stop in Panyu on my way home to get a real, BBBJCIMWS from a SW. IMHO, this is the best 100 RMB spent in China. Service rating: 9+

Just my POV.

OAH

BBBJ CIM WS - oh WOW!!! Really swallowing???!! Omigawd - when was the last time I had that??!! Hell, even my last GF refused to do that more than once!!

And why is it that you couldn't have brought me there the last time we were in GZ together???

And you also think that week-ends are better in CP than week-days?? Really? Wadman seems to think otherwise, but I tend to agree with you - more choice/gals albeit you've gotta be fast on chosing!!

SEAJ

Legal Lad
02-26-09, 05:28
Chang Ping,

You seem like an articulate gentleman. However, even as described in your context..

"They were on their way out (left early) and I stopped to ask her or her number at that juncture."

I would have gone Guns of Navarone as well. I can almost visualize the couple leaving a filled KTV room filled with mongers and girls, only to be stopped by a "stranger" in the room who wanted the company of my "date."

Perhaps if it was done a little more discreetly, the guy probably wouldn't mind at all, and even give you his impressions of his gal.
Just my POV

'lad

Wadman
02-26-09, 06:19
BBBJ CIM WS - oh WOW!!! Really swallowing???!! Omigawd - when was the last time I had that??!! Hell, even my last GF refused to do that more than once!!

And why is it that you couldn't have brought me there the last time we were in GZ together???


Cause your dick will run for cover once you see how... eeh... beautiful these SWs are.



And you also think that week-ends are better in CP than week-days?? Really? Wadman seems to think otherwise, but I tend to agree with you - more choice/gals albeit you've gotta be fast on chosing!!


SEA Joe,

OAH almost always goes to CP on weekdays.
I go to CP on weekdays if at all possible.
You would go on weekdays too, if you could.

Enough said on this weekday vs weekend issue.

Wadman
02-26-09, 06:25
At the night market around 11:00PM, there were very few girls. I did manage to find one from Sichuan that agreed to BBBJCIM only to find out that she would only do CBJ in the room. A major letdown.


LOL, I can see the negotiations already.

OAH: Chui bao ma? (blow till cum?)
Girl: chui bao.
OAH: Kou bao, keyi ma? (Cum in mouth, ok?)
Girl: Keyi (OK)
OAH: Chui 30 fenzhong keyi ma? (blow for 30 minutes, ok?)
Girl: keyi (ok)



The FS was not much better with all the fake moaning, "lao gong! lao gong!. Do guys really like this? Service rating: 4.


Yes, us Chinese guys erupt the moment we hear this.

Chang Ping
02-26-09, 07:10
Chang Ping,

You seem like an articulate gentleman. However, even as described in your context..

"They were on their way out (left early) and I stopped to ask her or her number at that juncture."

I would have gone Guns of Navarone as well. I can almost visualize the couple leaving a filled KTV room filled with mongers and girls, only to be stopped by a "stranger" in the room who wanted the company of my "date."

Perhaps if it was done a little more discreetly, the guy probably wouldn't mind at all, and even give you his impressions of his gal.
Just my POV

'ladTks Legal lad

In course of being brief I didn't expand on this. Yes I did exercise what I thought was discreet. I chose a moment when I thought he had gone to the restroom just before leaving and handed her my phone with a whisper in her ear to ask if she could leave me her number. Looks like I wasnt discreet enuff.

Nonetheless. Oh well chalk this up to experience and be wary of the golem's with insecurity and selfworth issues (yes I am being nasty but hey I feel I have been maligned).

Chang Ping
02-26-09, 07:17
Ciao and phone me next time you're around

SEAJThis stood out most to me. And I take back everything else that you felt was negative and offer a hand of friendship (washed and cleaned)

And next time you can grope my gals unless I expressly let you know otherwise instead of telling you one thing (that this is JUST my KTV gal) and then bitching about your boorish, uncivilized, who do you think you are, behavior the next day behind your back

Enuff said. SORRY for wasting bandwidth guys!

Freepeaks
02-26-09, 07:45
Ps. And here I'd like to take the opportunity of apologizing to guys whose gals I've groped at the usual KTV nights of boisterousness and drunkeness. I know I've done that - and really feel a bit silly that I had done "ALL That" in the past without thinking it through. But Hey - it was all truly just in fun - and usually ends up with all the gals then ganging up and attacking me back. And boy - do they attack!!

SEAJ - I think for all you do for everyone we (or at least I) give you a free pass on your boisterous groping. It is amusing when they attack you and hey you did manage to save me from a 'smelly' girl once.

Chang ping, i don't think anyone is flaming you, just giving you perspective. afterall we are all out to have fun and no one wants their night ruined over arguements. i agree the comment was distancing (only KTV girl) but he liked her enough to bring her there rather than to pick for a large group of sexy girls.

Wadman
02-26-09, 09:24
ok, ok, ok, sigh, sigh, sigh. kinders...

1. if a girl is taken by another guy already, then it's bad form to be flirting with her, never mind touching her. she may be a wg, but the other guy is paying for her now! unless, it's between friends, then it's whatever you are comfortable with.

2. having said that, we are talking about ktv/bbs/sauna girls here, right? working girls. the reason why she is with you is because you are paying her. after you have taken her a few times/nights, it's still the same: she is a wg and she is with you because you are paying her. this would only change if she is off the market i.e. no longer a wg. until then, anyone can fuck her by paying her.

3. wgs are there to make money obviously. so you can't blame her, hold it against her if she takes other guys' numbers down. it may be slightly bad form to ask her phone number without getting her guy's permission, but same thing again, it's good business for the girl.

all in all, it's too much ado about nothing.

my personal pet peeve is these guys that roll into town. often for the first time, or only once in a blue moon. they see some cute girl: a receptionist, waitress, salesgirl, etc and declare the girl as "theirs". often without even having had much of a conversation with her, or at all. and everybody else is supposed to keep their hands of "their girl".

OldAsiaHand
02-26-09, 11:46
And why is it that you couldn't have brought me there the last time we were in GZ together???
SEAJ

SEAJ,

I asked you if you wanted to go, but you had go to the hotel to meet your relatives.

OAH

OldAsiaHand
02-26-09, 12:32
LOL, I can see the negotiations already.

OAH: Chui bao ma? (blow till cum?)
Girl: chui bao.
OAH: Kou bao, keyi ma? (Cum in mouth, ok?)
Girl: Keyi (OK)
OAH: Chui 30 fenzhong keyi ma? (blow for 30 minutes, ok?)
Girl: keyi (ok)


Yes, us Chinese guys erupt the moment we hear this.

Wadman,

That is pretty much how it went except I did not ask her about the 30 minutes. She told me CIM only if I did not last very long.

I knew I was in trouble when she took a condom out of the pack before getting into bed. The conversation went like this after a few minutes of playing with my didi:

OAH: Chui? BJ?
Girl: Dai tao hao ma? Covered, ok?
OAH: Bu yao. No.
Girl: Wo zhuo hao su fu? I can make you feel good.
OAH: Bu yao tao. No rubber
Girl: An zuen yi dian. It's safer.
OAH: Wo bu bing. I am not sick.
Girl: Wo mai yo suo ze ge. I didn't say that.
OAH: Ni da diang wa ni de mommy, wo yao huan yi ge keyi chui, bu dai tao. Call your mommy, I want to change girls.
Girl: Mai yo ta de diang wa hao ma. I don't have the number.
On goes the rubber and she goes down...
Girl: Su fu ma? Feel good?
OAH: Bu su fu! No.
Girl: Ying le. You are hard already.

Girl climbs on top and sticks it in.

Girl: (Moaning) Lao gong! Lao Gong! Hao su fu! Husband, feels so good!

Flip her over for mish.

Girl: Lao Gong! Lao Gong! Quai yi dian! Wo gao chuo le. Husband! Quickly! I'm coming.

The same fake moaning goes on for doggy. Finally, I popped and sent her on her way.

Do you think I gave her a tip?

OAH

P.S. You can correct my Pinyin if you like. I never learned it; only guessing.

Old Mean Dog
02-26-09, 13:43
oah: chui? bj?
girl: dai tao hao ma? covered, ok?
oah: bu yao. no.
girl: wo zhuo hao su fu? i can make you feel good.
oah: bu yao tao. no rubber
girl: an zuen yi dian. it's safer.
oah: wo bu bing. i am not sick.
girl: wo mai yo suo ze ge. i didn't say that.
oah: ni da diang wa ni de mommy, wo yao huan yi ge keyi chui, bu dai tao. call your mommy, i want to change girls.
girl: mai yo ta de diang wa hao ma. i don't have the number.
on goes the rubber and she goes down...
girl: su fu ma? feel good?
oah: bu su fu! no.
girl: ying le. you are hard already.

girl climbs on top and sticks it in.

girl: (moaning) lao gong! lao gong! hao su fu! husband, feels so good!

flip her over for mish.

girl: lao gong! lao gong! quai yi dian! wo gao chuo le. husband! quickly! i'm coming.

the same fake moaning goes on for doggy. finally, i popped and sent her on her way.

do you think i gave her a tip?

oah

nothing personal, but damn that was a funny read. you shoulda popped it in her pooper or jackhammered her! hah

-cpe

Freepeaks
02-26-09, 15:37
OK, OK, OK, sigh, sigh, sigh. Kinders...

1. If a girl is taken by another guy already, then it's bad form to be flirting with her, never mind touching her. She may be a WG, but the other guy is paying for her now! Unless, it's between friends, then it's whatever you are comfortable with.

Unless it is SEAJ, then his inspection and approval is mandatory for me. lol. i can't believe he picked some losers recently, he always picks winners. Somehow I draw the line at if you BYOA.



3. WGs are there to make money obviously. So you can't blame her, hold it against her if she takes other guys' numbers down. It may be slightly bad form to ask her phone number without getting her guy's permission, but same thing again, it's good business for the girl.

Actual conversation - in broken and horrible

FP: my friend wanted your number
WG: why didn't you give it to him?
FP: didn't know if it was okay with you.
WG: you don't want me to earn money?

One time I had a ktv girl then took her out for a bite and she agreed to come not because she was hungry, but because I told her my friend would like her. Yes good for their business - but you wouldn't want your consultant phoning for more work while you are paying for their time.



All in all, it's too much ado about nothing.


Last comment on this one, but it is a matter of respect than if the girl is available. Similar to cutting in line (American thought not the Chinese anti-queue mentality), it is selfish behavior and inconsiderate.

Hideto09
02-26-09, 16:27
Hey CP. I believe that there were no intentions to talk behind your back; I walked in on the conversation and I left CP without having the opportunity of seeing you again. Believe that the conversation was initated by the guy who was with the gal you asked re her contacts. And he was pretty steamed up. "Who does he think he is. Who does he think I am. What gives him the right. Etc etc

Perhaps I used a wrong word "boorish" but really, I just could not come up with any other words to express the opinions you sought.

As far as not interacting with her in any other way. Is it correct for me to assume that you equally had little "other interactions" with the guy? In which case, please put youraself in his place. Some guy coming up to his date out of the dark. And just blatantly asking for her number, as if she is there on display for sale.

As far as ". I think key here is that intentions were not sinister at my end. ". Well what do you call it if what you wanted was to also get in her pants?

I again apologize if I'm being harsh on my opinion. But you did ask for it. And let's face it, there's just too damn many options/choices/gals in CP and China that I believe it not worthed to continue with this discussion; as you mentioned, different guys have different tolerance, standards etc. And I'd hate for some of the more radical opinions to surface on this subject.

Ciao and phone me next time you're around

SEAJ

Ps. And here I'd like to take the opportunity of apologizing to guys whose gals I've groped at the usual KTV nights of boisterousness and drunkeness. I know I've done that. And really feel a bit silly that I had done "ALL That" in the past without thinking it through. But Hey. It was all truly just in fun. And usually ends up with all the gals then ganging up and attacking me back. And boy. Do they attack! When will you be in town next? I'm a solo ranger next month between 10-17. Though its not my first time in CP.

Wadman
02-26-09, 16:29
Unless it is SEAJ, then his inspection and approval is mandatory for me. lol. i can't believe he picked some losers recently, he always picks winners. Somehow I draw the line at if you BYOA.


Bring Your Own... What???



Actual conversation - in broken and horrible

FP: my friend wanted your number
WG: why didn't you give it to him?
FP: didn't know if it was okay with you.
WG: you don't want me to earn money?

One time I had a ktv girl then took her out for a bite and she agreed to come not because she was hungry, but because I told her my friend would like her. Yes good for their business - but you wouldn't want your consultant phoning for more work while you are paying for their time.


Tell the girl to keep communications with prospective customers down to a minimum while she is with you.

Well, if you are not going to take her, you should give her a chance to be taken by someone else. If you are not going to take her beyond tonight, you should give her a chance to hook up with someone else after you release her (throw her back into the "available" pool, hehe).

Yes, yes, there is the point of being respectful and asking the other guy for permission clearly and explicitly. But I think with too many guys, especially the ones not used to P4P scene, their feelings get in the way. They approach it as if these girls are their girlfriends, or regular girls. The male territorial instinct kicks in (don't fuck "my girl"!). But we all know, that the moment you let her go, she will be looking for other guys to fuck. They are working girls after all.

I have seen guys offer their KTV/BBS girl's phone to total strangers, on the street or in hotel lobby. It's also an easier way to resolve the situation. From the POV of the guy who has taken the girl: get her phone quick, stop flirting/staring at her while she is on my dime, call her over after I am done with her.

Freepeaks
02-26-09, 17:19
Bring Your Own... What???

Bring your own ... Ass.