Samus Aran in Thailand [Archive] - Page 3

The Traveler

05-25-04, 00:40

Domino

I respect the guys I have met. You blame me to bad mouthing SA and Juice. Read my posts, do I use any bad language like JuiceSpike ? Do I call him bad names ? Where is his respect for me ? And what about all the others I have met so far ?

I would never do that for several reasons. That would show a lack of good manners, education and self-control. It would also prove that I have no arguments.

I do not want to discuss who started it long ago, but if you read back you will see that both attack me from time to time. SA usually in a snooty way and Juice usually on a personal level.

SA is just a character not a real person for me. My feelings for him are neutral and I used to defend him in the past. But then he started to downgrade the girls, comparing them with used condoms, worth even less. I was raised believing that all people are equal, no matter where they come from, what they believe, work, how rich they are and so on. SA never realized that he was just lucky being born where he was born. Would like to see what he would be when being born as the 7th child of a poor family in Isaan. His comments are racist and that's what I oppose. Call them ho, ***** or something similar, no prob, that describes their job. Racist comments had to be stopped immediately before this way of thinking spreads because it finally leads to an according way of treating them. BTW, racism is against the forum rules.

Juice is somewhat different. There is that special chemistry between us. I respect him as a person but sometimes do not like the role he wants to play here. He is making fun out of others cause they take the forum too serious. I just showed that he takes it too serious as well. Was a test trap and he fell in it. Other guys probably would have laughed about it and let it go. But not Juice, he can't loose and always needs the last word. No humor and very aggressive too.
I often got the feeling that he does not totally understand what I say, does not read between the lines. Might be my english, might be his IQ. He got too much temper and too little self-control. Calling someone bad names are no substitute for arguments in a discussion.

JuiceSpike

05-25-04, 02:25

Traveler,

I see that you have not bail out yet. Still having fun?

Your bullshit continues to amuse me. For example, you are now a crying baby because I called you a jerk and an idiot. Yet, in the photo gallery section you recently called one of your beloved Issan girls a BITtH to best describe her behavior. A jerk and an idiot best describes your behavior in here. Get it? If you don't get your IQ tested.

Now that your little game got too hot for you to handle you are appealing for sympathy and understanding. Man, you reek with insecurity.

Your own words: "Just couldn't sleep well last night so I started to play this little childish game. Went well and was fun for me..."

Still having fun or you really want to bail out?

juice.

Bill

05-25-04, 03:03

Same old thing,

Just like "skinless and Traveler's discussion's." Traveller says one thing, then is caught in a lie, then he looses sleep trying to change his story to correct his misinformation or past dialogue. Sorry Mr. Traveller, but for people who have not read alot of your postings, you are losing credibility as soon as you open your mouth. This is the last time I will comment on this.

Have fun :D :0 :(

Giotto

05-25-04, 03:44

Joe Zop,

You are welcome! Seriously answered, the targets of all that are:

- to give Samus Aran the forum he needs / he wants and keep it going, without him posting anything any more (which I find to be the most interesting development of the past few days)

- to check out how many people you can get involved into a discussion about issues, which have less and less to do with the real purpose of this forum

- to shift the discussed points from forum issues to other forum-irrelevant personal issues, hoping that nobody realizes it

- to give everybody the option to play with his personal ego reading his own mental orgasms in the internet and sharing it with so many people

- to increase the posting counter

- to check out whether it is possible to stop any of those discussions with reasonable arguments

- to "win" a discussion at any costs, not realizing, that it is technically simply impossible to win a discussion, especially in the internet

- to let the child in the man play (as The Traveler said)

- to experience the own reaction on replies to posts, you placed in this thread before, and to practice how to deal with it

- to reply to others writing long posts with basically NO useful content and, of course, adding NOTHING NEW.

- to practice English language

I find it quite interesting to watch myself and others doing this. It's going quite well, with getting you involved now, the first Benefactor, all this must be touching somehow. But I am quite sure - also after posting this reasons - it will not stop!

Centuries ago it was said: "Religion is opium for the people". Now it is the internet and forums like this.

The Traveler,

did I really ask "to stop that nonsense"? I think you are mixing up my posts with those of others. That really makes me feel bad - I thought my posts are so unique...I would never ask to stop since you are teaching me lessons about how to define "privacy".

Giotto

Meaty

05-25-04, 05:10

Jackson, can we rename this thread to "Traveler and Juice's Kindergarden bitching"
At least that way the discussion would resemble the topic of the thread.

Domino

05-25-04, 08:20

Giotto

I was only suggesting to Jackson that, imho, the issues you raise are at least as importnat as blow by blow accounts of blow jobs, that they are a contribution. Nothing more. I believe only in peace and pizzas, and some prostitutes as extras.

I think people should post photos of pizzas and then we can compare. (pizzas to pizzas).

SA, I feel if you swapped video games and swimming for pizzas, you would be a more rounded figure and hence would appreciate the dusky diamonds of Isaan al the more.

Traveller: For shame. If you don't like SA or the SA channel, then why note leave it alone?

Respect: Sounds like The Godfather. which is not bad if you like pizzas. Speaking of which, I sent my mama the wrong photo last night. Bad ju ju.

Later bruddas. Time for a pizza

Domino

Domino

05-25-04, 10:12

Bad News, Samas :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3743015.stm
Good News, Samas : There is a new game out called hooker. Costs 500-1000 baht short time, 1,000-5,000 baht long time. To play more than one game at a time, just multiply these figures by the amount of toys you want to use.

Freeler

05-25-04, 11:35

Juice,

Forgive me if I've taken this out of contest; I haven't read the whole - no doubt very interesting - thread:

'Oh, you were playing me?... '

:(???:(

Did you have a sex- and age change recently?
We all know that ******** only plays with little girls...

Giotto

05-25-04, 11:51

Samus Aran,

Yes, sure, thanks! I was waiting for your statement already.

Giotto

JuiceSpike

05-25-04, 12:42

Freeler,

Hmm, I don't think you want to go there with Traveler again...

But this guy likes playing little games then ***** like a little spoiled girl becuase his feelings got hurt when I set him straight. He has not learned to mind his own business yet.

Meaty,

A better idea would be that you take the garbage out for me.

juice

Samus Aran

05-25-04, 13:58

Fellas:

This is SA's section. Cant you guys call each other out and meet at the flag pole like we did in junior high school? SA don't like Travelers style either but SA's section is going to get a bad name.

Juice, ignore him! You can do better than this. Meditate on your upcoming sex fest in Thailand. This going a little bit too far even for SA.

Shit, SA would have been banned by now. All of SA's other names were sent into deep cyber space for such behavior. *****, *****, Dinosaur Hunter, Adlez.... All gone.

In keeping in the spirit of the Thailand section, what has been the most number of different thai hookers in Thailand anyone of you sexers has done in one day? In a 2 hour session? All of the hos have to be of the legal age, so Traveler, you may have to adjust your figures. Also, has anyone done a thai ho with their wife or girlfriend in the room with you or activiely participating in the session.

Lets get back on track.

Samus Aran

Bill

05-25-04, 14:34

Gee wiz,

I guess The xxxxxxxxxxxxxx is not as loved, trusted and admired as he thinks he is. The senior forum members that have read his two-faced posts over the years can see through the crap he spews. This is too bad because the WSG is his fantasy life and his exagerated stories hardly resemble his tiny, weak, pathetic reality. I really feel bad for the unknowing LOS novices that read his BS and believe his front. Some guys post and preach the same old stuff, and you at least know what to expect and they make you laugh. It's the guys who are sneaky at lying and deceiving that you must beware.
The xxxxxxxxxxx is so [Deleted by Admin] and stubborn that he will never get it, because his supermonger alter ego is inversely proportional to [Deleted by Admin]. Sorry to be so harsh, but as Granny always told me.. "reality is a muther fukker."

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending removal of Personal Attacks in the text. To avoid delays in future reports, please do not post Personal Attacks in the Forum. Thanks!

Freeler

05-25-04, 17:31

Juice,

:D

The Traveler

05-25-04, 18:42

SA

Sorry, yes this is your section.
I stopped talking to Juice almost 30 hours ago to end it and did not reply to Bill's and Freeler's stupid attacks but the discussion and bashing still goes on, so please do not blame me.

What I found most interesting watching it is, that it is so easy to start an avalanche with all those superegos in the forum. Always the same bunch of guys. All the others avoid to take part, guess why ?

Maybe Jackson should set up an age verification system. I see so many kids in this adult forum.

The Traveler

05-25-04, 20:02

SA

To answer your questions :

"...what has been the most number of different thai hookers in Thailand anyone of you sexers has done in one day?"

17 at HappyWorld in BangSaen, went there with two friends.

"In a 2 hour session?"

5, all from Blackout Gogo in Pattaya

"All of the hos have to be of the legal age, ..."

Don't worry, they were.

"Also, has anyone done a thai ho with their wife or girlfriend in the room with you or activiely participating in the session."

Yes, my new GF and the younger sister of my old GF, both participating (and of legal age).
Wasn't my idea, the girls were looking for a birthday present for me which I prolonged for about two weeks.

Giotto

05-25-04, 20:42

All,

I can post a new chapter of Giotto's version of "Romeo and Juliet", that well-known Bangkok "love story soapbox opera". Somebody interested? Written in real life just now, 2 hours ago. It has a tragic touch, but it is not really a greek tragedy. (Plato, please forgive me).

Samus Aran,

Since you are the "owner" of this thread I ask you for your permission to post the story (if somebody is interested). May be the the "ownership" by law could be seen doubtful, but it is simply a question of good style. Please give me your permission, because - otherwise I must post without you permission! Furthermore I promise, that I will NOT answer your questions.

The Traveler / JuiceSpike,

Please promise not to hurt each other again, if I post. I feel so bad if I have to see blood.

Domino,

I really, really understand you now, let's go ahead, we can make the Senior membership, somehow.

Jackson,

YOU DID NOT CALL ME UP TO NOW.

Giotto

JuiceSpike

05-25-04, 23:32

Pizza Man,

Brilliant idea: pizza and hookers, pizzas and mongering. Free delivery included?

SA,

Hey, shit happens... You know what I mean... Don't worry your reputation still intact.

Joe Zop,

Very quiet lately.

Freeler,

:)

Giotto,

Yeah, sure.

juice.

Bill

05-26-04, 00:09

sa,

i did 43 thai hookers in 22 hours. this was to completion, and does not mean that i used sexual toys and stuff in place of a tiny [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134).

in a 3 hour session, that would be 16. i teach tantric sex. this is due probably to my mastery of 12 different disciplines of martial arts that i currently hold sensei title. btw, these girls were picked up at the make up and women's clothing area of robinson's department store on sukhumvit.

yes they were all of legal age, because they all introduced me to their mothers and had valid passports, as well as passed my local friends' inspection- a 3 star general in the thai pd.

"also, has anyone done a thai ho with their wife or girlfriend in the room with you or activiely participating in the session."

yes, my newest girlfriend, whom i met last month and happens to be 1 of 5 quintuplets. she loves to please me and that desire is so great that she and her willing siblings indulged me in my secret fantasy with all 5. i wonder if they read my mind? 2 of them were cherry girls and all were cherry in the ass before i got to them. it's not even my birthday until august. can't wait to see what happens then. oh yes, i met these girls, at their 18th birthday /thai covergirl magazine- debutante party. also, i did them all bareback because they were all virgins before they met me.

Terry Terrier

05-26-04, 01:50

As a newbie, have I completely misunderstood how this site operates? Why do people keep using up public bandwidth to post messages which are of no practical value to the forum? Surely, unless the intention is to 'show off' in public, the correct medium for such personal nonsense is PM.

And, please, 'show offs', spare a thought for the rest of us: We have to sift through your crap to get to the good stuff.

Remember: Is your post of any use to the forum? No? Then use PM.

Freeler

05-26-04, 03:08

No optional greeting, you know why,

'I see so many kids in this adult forum.'

Which is exactly why you are still here...

Meaty

05-26-04, 03:35

Traveler > Happyworld in Bangsaen > Where and what is this ? not heard of this place before, if you've done an FR already please point me in the direction and i'll dig it out.
Ta.

The Traveler

05-26-04, 09:50

Meaty

I have posted it a while ago in the Pattaya section as far as I remember. It's a MP directly at the highway in BangSaen, opposite Galaxy. You can't miss it.

Used to go there many years ago. They had great rooms/suites which consist of 2 bedrooms with shower and toilet, 1 living room and a sauna, also many good looking girls (good interaction) and everything else you may need like food and so on. They even washed my car during the time I spent there popping these incredible chicks.

If you like MPs and if you prefer Pattaya over BKK then you should visit the MPs in Rayong (only 50km from Pattaya). The MPs in Pattaya often do not have any cute girl - taste differs - and the MPs in Rayong are of a much higher quality. Rooms are bigger and better and you can order the girls in advance :). I recommend Manola.

Giotto

05-27-04, 01:07

The Traveler,

Yes, sure, we know, that you have special knowledge of this problem. We all hope somehow to be real men one day. But I ask myself now, how girls stay away from drugs. PLEASE DO NOT ALWAYS RAISE NEW ISSUES.

Cannot sleep any more.

Giotto

Bill

05-27-04, 01:18

LJ,

Thankyou for declaring me the "master of the universe", but I much prefer the more subtle title of "Omnipotent man god." I usually don't like to explain, and could be like xxxxxx who tells an obvious lie, gets questioned and digs a bigger and bigger hole. But for extreme cases such as yours, I will go the extra mile. SATIRE, must I continue? This great sub forum has and always will be about SA and his satirical look at mongers and their behaviour in the LOS. If you had RTFF before PFIM, this would be apparent. But I do appreciate you reading my post closely, and almost to the point of belief. This goes to show how and why xxxxxx (not SA) can get off by posting all kinds of BS he expects only suckers to believe, to boost his own lackluster alter ego.

p.s.

Personal note to LJ:

Mr Jackson, who has provided us with this awesome form of information and entertainment does not charge for its services. Patronizing some of its sponsors would be nice. Be thankful you are able to access this site of your own free will. You are not forced to read anything whatsoever. If you are disheartened in any way, please don't go away mad, just go away.

Giotto

05-27-04, 02:19

Domino,

I have applied for Senior Membership! Please, can you send your recommendation to Jackson, may be it is then easier for him to judge, whether I really meet the criteria for this honour.

As you know, he is really busy, and has so many applications every day, how can he know, that it is really me he shall pick? (BTW: I could then afterwards recommend you, so - that's a deal, isn't it?)

Samus Aran,

Please forgive me, I know, it is YOUR SECTION. DAMNED, but I have none! I am not even Senior member (up to now, but you can recommend me, too, please!) ! Can we share somehow? You go ahead writing your nonsense, and I add my sick comments. So we can both waste bandwith!

Giotto

Samus Aran

05-27-04, 13:02

giotto,

you still a rookie. sa has been through alot. the histore goes way back and many name changes. of course all video game characters. sa worked hard to be sent into cyber space 3 times and then finally given his own section.

bill:

impressed with your figures. quite impressed.

sa was downtown at the emporium last night. saw all sorts of dudes buying lots of cool stuff for their associates. these associtaes probably have copies of everything. they turn around and sell the shit to relatives. no need to be buying gifts for these hump machines. yea, sa knows it makes you feel like richard gere/ pretty woman but t just aint doing anything for these girls. treat them like hookers not like little wives.

is it possible for some of you dudes to wear clean clothes once in ahile? just once! saw a guy with grape juice stains on his shirt and different colored socks walkingthis thai humpre through the mall. have some class!

samus aran

Migrant One

05-27-04, 13:23

Bill,

Satire? You were kidding? Ah man I was ready to sell everything, buy a robe and bowl, and search you out.

I figured if I spent the first year begging alms in the morning and meditating about flowers in a field the rest of the day perhaps I could apprentice.

Well, one more myth exploded, and usually I am so good at knowing the truth and seeing through a lie.

Oh well gotta go anyway, the Costa Rica lady I met last month at the Blue Marlin says she loves only me, her kids are sick, and she has no money so I better get to Western Union for my one true love!

Migrant

Spidey

05-27-04, 15:19

M-1

Yeah, she loves you.

She loves your WALLET! LOL

Domino

05-27-04, 15:30

Giotto,

With a name like that, you should be sharper: ou are letting Team Italia down. Anyway, I have RTFF and you have not been a member long enough to be upgraded. Also recommendations do not count. Once I filfill the criteria and if I decide to request senior status, I will follow the clear directions laid down by Mr Jackson, our long suffering host. Your recommendations or otherwise will be of no avail. Please don't address any more inane comments like these to me as you put me off my pizzas.

Samas Aran: let;s get back on track and leave these pedestrian jokers behind. Doy ou ever get it on with a few hookers at the same time and 3P them (p for pizza)? What can be better than getting a brace or more of Isaan bottom barrelers, fattening them up with some Domino's pizzes (Pizzaland in an emergency),gobbling some down yourself, smearing them with the boxes' contents and then doing with them as God intended? I tihnk there is nothing sexier than a cheap hookers covered in expensive pizza. But that is just me. Takes all types. In prostitutes as well as pizzas.

Samus Aran

05-27-04, 22:58

Fellas,

Just reading throughthe Bangkok section and SA is saddened to read that we still have men who are still concerned about the 300 baht taxi rides from the airport to the hotels. Jeez, if you are concerned about this amount turn your ass around and get back on the plane. Are you guys on that strict of a budget that 300 baht is going to make or break you? Man, youll spend that easily when you visit your favorite resataurant in Bangkok, McDonalds, and clog up more of your arteries. Have fun and stop worrying about the $$.

Then we have RCA Knight who thinks that he is scoring a movie star or model when he goes to these gentlemen clubs and sees these hookers on photo paper. A very gullible man. RCA wake up dude and stop believeing everything you hear or see. The wonders of computers can make anybody look like a movie star. You were had friend. But, since this is your fantasy vacation, continue in your own little world and believe the river of bullshit that flows form the mouths of these thais. They love customers like you. So would everybody else. A sucker.

Samus Arn

Bill

05-28-04, 14:38

[Report deleted by Admin]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contained absolutely nothing of any value and thus constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

Admin

05-28-04, 22:24

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Domino

05-29-04, 02:59

Samas Aran,

Have you lost your romantic streak? What do you think of Purple n Gold posts about inflation and hookers? I could not follow the math which seems unncessarily very complicated. If hokers are mere commodities, there should not be such a skew in prices. Imagine hookers are pizzas? You might pay some extra for take away, sit down and your favourite trimmings nut not that much. Seems the guy was in love with the lady he met. And that has to be a good thing. I think I could happily marry a woman like that - especially if she was good at making pizzas.

Domino

Giotto

05-29-04, 04:23

Dear Jackson,

I am really impressed now! Deleting posts and reminding everybody about the purpose of the forum is for sure the right way of dealing with developments like we saw here during the past few days.

But - as a rookie I still do not really understand, what all this thread has to do with "exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex". Requesting figures about maximum numbers of activities with different women during a day, an hour - has this something to do with "finding" women for sex? Calling all women hookers, treating them as objects, does this help to "find" them?

I was expecting a lot, when I started to post in this thread, low level comments, private attacks etc. etc. . But I was not expecting such a "unique" site administration / interpretation of the forum rules. Well done! Congratulations!

Go ahead, delete this post, too. This post is also a waste of bandwidth, and adds no information. Get this thread back on track. We need it urgently.

Giotto

Samus Aran

05-30-04, 00:52

Domino,

Just read that waste of space post in the Bangkok section by PnG. All SA can say is that PNG is a good mathemetician and economist and has nothing bettr to do than then draw supply and demand graphs on price and prostitution. No sense arguing about it. Interestingly enuff, if all women decided that the only way they will have sex is if all men walked on their hands, the world would be filled with a lot of upside down males. Think about it. what would that graph look like? Or if they said men must be delivery drivers from a pizza company in uniforms, imagine the applications wanting to work for your store.

Arguing with these thai hookers for a measly 500 baht to get your rocks of is absurd. If you want it, pay it and move on. What is that like $12. Domino, these men feel that they are something special to these girls when in reality they are sadly mistaken. They are nothing but white skinned people who fly a long way to have cumshot inside an asian girl or outside. It is a long way to fly for this and expensive. This is what the girls think.

These thai girls dislike the sex freaks and do this as their occupation. They put on a smile and the charm and are to fuck you out of everything you have. We have men here who want to have romantic thoughts with a thai street skank hooker and this is where they go wrong.

Do you think these thai hos like getting pummeled by some of these male beheamouths 4 or 5 times per day? Of course not but it is their job. They fake it all the time. They fake their orgasms all the time. But, Traveler thinks he gets the girls off 5 times in 2 hours. They lie to him too. They tell you what you want to hear.

For SA, the only way to do a Thai ho is to get it done fast and sweet. Domino have you heard of the saying, " 30 minutes or less"? Well, that is the SA philosophy. Deliver the goods and move on. No cuddling, no kissing, no talking. Yes, it seems harsh, but this how to do it with a HOOKER! SA will get scolded becuz he isnt showing these girls a good time! Huh, these are hookers. You should pay a skank ho not for her service but you pay her to leave your site. Contract terminted.

We have guys taking them shopping, dinner, pizza etc... for what reason? Would you take a skank ho to dinner in USA? Hell no, but they do it Thailand.

This somewhat of a repetitve post and this has been said before but it needs repeating.

Thailand is filled with accessible pussy everywhere. Come to Thailand for the sex but dont complain about the price. Get in, get out. The less time with a hooker the better. Leave your lovey dovey attitude at home and come to Thailand for pure raw sex. 3f these skank LBFM's and carry no memory of them soon after you gave her your seed. This is the way Thailand is meant to be done. Then go get another one.

Samus Aran

Dinghy

05-30-04, 20:39

SA - some of us wish we COULD get it done in 30 minutes.

<smirk>

besides, as cheap charlie #1, the object is to get maximum mileage from minimum B isn't it?

BTW - for cheap skanks, go to Cambodia (but don't expect ANY conversation - unless "no boom boom - yum yum" from you.)

PurpleNGold

05-30-04, 21:07

Dinghy, you're correct about the mileage for Baht thing. Actually, I'm surprised at SA's stance on this as cutting the cost per bang would seem to flow right along with the 3F's.

SA,

I fell from 3F grace pretty quickly because I met a TG that, as Domino pointed out, I'd be happy to marry. This doesn't mean that I don't agree that they are a valid philo for the sex tourist.

While most people seem to want to either embrace or reject your 3F's in whole, I would say that, even for someone wanting to ply strict adherance to them, there is room for debate on the application of the 2nd F. To you, it means stick it in, thrust, repeat until you cum, pull out, wipe off.

To me, and obviously others, there is a sensual aspect to it that includes kissing, cuddling, petting, etc... While, I don't worry if a p4p girl gets off, I do get an ego boost if I know that I managed that trick. I wonder whether your inability to move a woman has anything to do with your stance regarding trying to do so ;)

Different strokes, and, btw, the supply and demand stuff was presented by someone other than me. I appreciated something more intellectual than "Just 3F them all!" and responded. And, if anyone's interested in studying the advanced math in my response, you can look it up in many math textbooks. Just check the index for 'addition,' 'multiplication' and 'division'.

Anyway, I usually get a chuckle out of your posts, so, I'll just agree to disagree on some aspects of your views. Peace.

Samus Aran

05-30-04, 22:32

PNG,

SA gets your point. Where you differ from SA is the fact that you enjoy the company of the Thai ho and SA does not. Dont take this in a negative way. Where you want to spend the extra time cuddling kissing, and photographing and getting to know the thai humper, SA does not. Where you want to have multiple nut busting orgasms, SA does not. Where you try to get her to orgasm, SA could care less what happens to the hooker sexually. For SA with any hooker it is a 30 minute get it over with deal. Now, you may think this strange but that is what a hooker is for. To get you to bust your nut and any moaning by her is purely part of the act.

SA wants to be done with the act and move on. SA doesnt waste any more of his time nor of the hos time. She can go fuck some other guy. SA does not care. SA is not special to her. SA does not want her to remember anything about SA. This the way it should be done. Then you don't get any residuals.

And why the hell would you want to get married? Thats like imprisoning yourself. Single life is better. Freedom. You meet the thai girl you want to marry cuz she gives you sex and her pussy. Wait a few months and all of the thai girl bullshit will start to flow and you will be up to your ears in garbage. Nag, nag, nag

You enjoy this? Marriage should be furthest from your mind in Thailand. This is sex guys. When will you figure this out? Dont get close to these girls. Fuck them one time and forget them. It saddens SA that any of you guys would want to get romantically involved with a hooker and then marry her. Stay single and be free.

Samus Aran

Domino

05-31-04, 02:26

Samas Aran,

I think you have gone way over the line. In attacking pizzas, that is. To get the maximum value from a pizza, you have to work up to it. "Right, I will finish this job, wash, dress and have a family sized pepperoni, all to myself". Then you go to your favourite joint (Domino's is best), sit down, order a drink, preferably one with loads of calories, and then let them bring it on. You stick your face in the pizza and gobble it down. Like a pig is best, imho. Let them all see waht a hungry brute you are.

Pizzas and prostitutes have a lot in common. These guys go to Thailand, order a prostitite (sit down or take away, makes no difference). And then, having bought their piece of meat, they should devour their purchase, crumbs and all. They should also lick the box - just like a good pizza. Of course, once finished, the box has to be discarded. The pizza box that is. And one should always wash one's hands after licking the box.

I fully understand Purple's withdrawl symtoms. I used to get htem from pizzas many years ago. You probably get htem if you have nit played video games in a day or so. I have offered to take his darling out for a large pizza and Jumbo Coke in Julybut he won't ass on the details. Love is blind. I might even sponsor her for a few weeks, as a kinda pizza delivery service. You know, get her or one like her to run out and bring me in pizzas while I watch the TV and conptemplate your answers. Comments?

The Traveler

06-01-04, 19:32

SA

some guys (including me) pay the girls not only for being a containment for their semen, they pay them to have fun of any kind, whatever that might be.

But I agree that being a single man and stay that way is the perfect way to go. Anybody who intends to marry (what for ?) should ask himself if he can afford it (her family will always be in need) and if it's worth all the hassle. Even if one might like a girl very much, will he do so after several weeks or months ? So many other cute chicks around who wait just for you.

Samus Aran

06-07-04, 00:29

Fellas:

Just reading htrough the posts in the Bangkok 2004 section. Lost my cookies concerning the discussion about dowrys and marriage customs in Thailand. Isn't this whole website about sex and where to find it?

Cant believe that bandwidth is allowed for this shit! SA will say again Thailand and its women are for fucking! You guys who come over here with notions of marrying these fuck machines have been dissillusioned because some ho is giving you a bj.

Fuck these girls silly and then forget about it.

Posterlion:

SA thinks you are a sad case. Come all the way over to Thailand from whatever country and then you shack up with one girl in some ant infested, dirty watered, psuedo kitchen dump! This is how you want to spend your retirment? One day you will snap out of your fantasy fog!

Samus Aran

Domino

06-10-04, 13:52

Samas,

If you think Posterlion is pathetic, which he is, check out the Italian board - eulogies and canatas in praise of cheap Chinese pussy. Time to throw up a pizza.

Why don't you try to invent a video game. Let's call it skank or Pssy Pizza or whatever. Keep it simple: the idea is to fuck lots of pussies, points lost for barebacking, lasting longer than 15 minutes, remembering a name, buying a pizza. Just a thought.

Domino

06-11-04, 04:33

Samus Aran

It is indeed sad that Posterlion and his fan club have wrecked the bangkok board and ignored the Thai Women board where that bs belongs. Not that I can talk. But if PL can post his bs, maybe I can post mine. Here is one of my favourite recipes:

Creole Pizza
1 can tomato sauce -- (8 ounces)
1 teaspoon dried oregano
1/2 teaspoon dried basil
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon garlic or onion powder
1/8 teaspoon pepper
4 drops red pepper sauce
2 cups Bisquick® baking mix
1/2 cup cold water
1/2 cup shredded cheddar cheese
1/3 cup chopped green pepper
1/3 cup chopped onion
1 package frozen sliced okra, thawed, drained -- (10 ounces)
1 1/4 cups frozen ready-to-cook shrimp -- thawed
1 tomato -- seeded and chopped
1 cup shredded mozzarella cheese
Heat oven to 425 degrees. Mix tomato sauce, spices and pepper sauce. Mix baking mix and water. Roll into 12-inch circle on cookie sheet; pinch edge, forming 1/2-inch rim. Sprinkle cheddar cheese over crust; spread with pizza sauce. Top with pepper, onion, okra, shrimp and tomato. Sprinkle with mozzarella cheese. Bake until crust is golden brown, 20 to 25 minutes.
...........................................................
Let's get back on track guys. Posterlion: go back to the USA befoXe it is too late. If you want to know why I do not use R, ask FXeeleX. And while you ask him about the ltter R, taking hus fucking advice.

Samus Aran

06-12-04, 02:26

Domino:

SA likes your style. Big fan of pizza. Use to deliver the stuff when in college. Recipe sounds great but problem is don't have big oven. Hey can SA cook everything on some propped up cheap looking burner like PL? Can SA get all the ingredients and pizza pan on a little 5 inch flame?

SA often thinks of video game ideas about Thailand. All of your suggestions will be scripted in. Also would like to add points for:
-clipping stray dogs and cats with your car or motorcycle
-stomping on Thais who decide to make their daily plans at the bottom and top of the escalator,
-foreigners who have been in thailand for 6 months and say they speak thai fluently and then SA hears them and cant determine what the fuck they are saying,
-elbowing past Thais to get to the front of lines,
-growing the longest fingernail possible on your pinky to scoop out the booger in your nose,
-adding a pound sugar to everything you consume and not get hyperactive
-surviving an arctic chilled Thai movie theatre,
- eating bugs.

Bonus points for:
- screwing a white woman in Thailand,
-getting finished with a Thai hooker in 10 minutes or less
-forgetting all recollection of your experience with a hooker
-losingthe names of all hooker sin Thailand
-slugging viagara overdosed love sick farangs shopping with a thai ho,
-crushing a 2 week sex tourist's digital camera filled with sex shots and his mobile phone
-taking out sex tourists who believe everything Thai girls tell them and those sexers who actually believe they give orgasms or feel they must have her orgasm for the 30 minute session to be successful.

Super Bonus Points for exterminating the love struck farang man who moves to Thailand to live in some shit heap to be near Thai pussy and tries to make the rest of the world feel he is one up on them. Get this man you get a free life.

This is just a beginning but would apprecaite any other ideas that can be scripted in.

Keep up with the recipes. Can you give me a good recipe that isnt so doughy? Can not stand the pan pizza crap.

Fellas:
Was down near Patpong yesterday. Something struck me as funny, SA watched this rather large man bargaining back and forth with a vendor over some piece of crap object. Vendor wanted 340, buyer wanted 330. Ok. Arguing went on, and no sale made. Happened to see this same rather large man in McDonalds. He ordered a shitload of crap. Then was asked if he wanted supersize for 10 baht more. Without hesitating he shouted,"Of Course!" Guess he saved that ten baht from the vendor for some reason. Fucking slob.

Samus Aran

Domino

06-12-04, 14:49

The Italian authorities have issued edicts as to waht exactly constitutes a Napoli pizza: it must be made from the traditional ingredients of flour, mozarrella cheese, tomato, salt. It must be round with a certain diameter.

Why should Thai hookers be any different from Italian pizzas?

"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."

THe quote is from Dante, who knew his pizzas - andhis hookers.

Samus Aran

06-12-04, 23:32

Fellas,

After sifting through the sections today SA has only two rules you love sick tourists in Thailand need to follow:

Rule 1: Dont fall in love with a Thai hooker.

Rule 2: See Rule 1.

What is up with some of you guys!

PL ecspecially is such a sad case SA wont even comment.

Samus Aran

Giotto

06-15-04, 19:52

Domino,

Come on: Give SA an answer! He likes your style! Pizzas and pussies! 3 P's! Oh, only 2 ? Who cares...add "Peanuts"!

Domino, you are the last one left (beside me) who gives him a forum! You (we) are important now! Don't let him down, show him how clever you are! Let him play you. 1/2 a teaspoon of your brain on his pizza!

My I remind you to Jacksons wisdom:

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Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

-----

SA, really, I like your style. Dominos and Jacksons on your pizza! PPP!

Giotto

Domino

06-16-04, 16:14

samas: i think this video game has to begin at the airport. you pick one of three characters:

1. slobbo: yugoslav, shifty, elephantine thighs, hawaii type clothes, big bag of viagra, bags under the eyes, a coke/beer swiller; plenty of spare speedos packed. likes to have his belly tapped, and his pecker sucked when it can be found.

2. bugs: rabbity appearance, fond of grass, tends to fuck a lot but only for a short time.

3. freeler: strong swimmer, strong walker, good on roller blades.

from here the rest should be easy. (your version is too much like mario: get some new games dude).

next you pick your varying objectives: fuck lots of cheap thai pussy, be a cheap charlie, catch the clap, feed high class hookers chocolate laxatives and video cam them shitting themselves, whatever floats your boat.

skill level: macdonald's. kfc, domino's pizzas. we use icons.

constraints: poundage , valium/heart beat, budget (if choices 2 or 3 are picked).

visuals: lots of guys croaking on the job; if happens, you get flattened by a king sized burger, and cockroaches appear from your gf's burger to gobble you up. when you lose, you get thrown into a pizza and fed to the hungry hookers of pattaya.

just some ideas to start with.

Samus Aran

06-16-04, 17:11

Fellas,

Read a book on how to deal with the bar girls in Thailand. It gave 2 good rules to follow.

Rule#1 - Never ever fall in love with a bar girl, take her to your hotel room, send her money, take her shopping, or believe a word she says to you.

Rule#2 - See Rule#1

Simple rules to follow, don't you think?

Samus Aran

The Traveler

06-16-04, 23:52

SA

had a few minutes off so I checked the forum to see if SA shares more of his wisdom with us "stupid tourists" to enlighten us. And yes, he does, but it is sad to see how boring your life must be. Just wonder to whom you are talking, no one here !

Domino

06-17-04, 01:47

The Traveller writes: SA

Had a few minutes off so I checked the forum to see if SA shares more of his wisdom with us "stupid tourists" to enlighten us. And yes, he does, but it is sad to see how boring your life must be. Just wonder to whom you are talking, no one here !

The records for this thread show:
Samus Aran 189 posts, gold medal.
The Traveler 61 posts, silver medal.

Oh well. takes all types I guess.

1Ball

06-17-04, 02:07

absolutely fucking pitiful.

Freeler

06-17-04, 05:18

Samus Aran,

I hate video games, but wtf, here's an idea:
- Include jailtime for wrongdoing. 'Accidently picking up girls who are younger than they said they were' would apply.

Please leave out the rollerblade thing. It reminds me too much of iceskating=>winter=>cold=>bad!

Some people seem to consider themselves 'stupid tourists' and they feel offended by your posts. Well done, Samus!

PurpleNGold

06-17-04, 07:06

Traveller, glad to know that you're here to enlighten us on how to pay more than we should for girls (and I mean 'girls' in the sense of 'too young').

SA has his point of view, and you have yours. You may not agree with him 100%, but he's entitled to it. You have your point of view. Almost all the world disagrees with yours, but, hey, your entitled to it.

SA has an audience. Some find his humor entertaining. You don't enjoy reading his posts? What the hell are you reading "Samus Aran in Thailand" for? Got nothing better to do, no young women available tonight?

I have an idea, why don't you start boasting about your own philosophy, the 4F's: Find, Fuck, Fully-Matured?, Forget

1Ball is right, fucking pitiful.

1Ball

06-17-04, 09:51

Actually PnG, when I wrote " absolutely fucking pitiful", I was referring to the mental masturbation below about these stupid video games , not TTs comments.

Giotto

06-17-04, 12:17

PnG,

Thanks for for you philosophical excrements regarding "freedom of opinion", enriched with some personal attacks in direction TT. So cool, so clever!

Obviously SA has an audience, and as 1ball mentions, that's very pitiful. Especially that we have to read that in this forum, which, as I understand it, has a different purpose.

And - of course - this hyper intelligent argumentation: "If you don't like it, you don't have to read it!" But I don't believe, that you would ever understand the nonsense in this sentence, even if somebody would explain it to you.

I really prefer NOT to belong to those "allmost all world" which disagrees with TT. I also doubt, that many people who post here can ever reach the level of SA, Domino, Freeler - or your last post.

Giotto

Bill

06-17-04, 14:17

PNG,

I concur! Would normally comment, but am too busy laughing at the fucking pitiful prosthetic dildo strapper.

Joe Zop

06-18-04, 05:17

Hilarious, all of this! The terrible thing is all this talk of video games actually has had me thinking about what would make a good LOS AIF game, since I've been fiddling around with one of the development packages, and it's a subject no one has yet tackled as far as I can tell.

Freeler

06-18-04, 15:02

PurpleNGold,

I prefer your assessment of the phrase 'fucking pitiful' over 1ball's:D!

Giotto

06-19-04, 12:51

png,

you are right, my english is really bad. this makes me a "wannabe-****", for sure.

giotto

The Traveler

06-19-04, 13:41

PNG

It's not worth to comment on your below post and as far as I know Giotto, he probably won't. Your post speaks for itself.

Nevertheless I like to clarify one thing : I do not hate SA, never did. I met him once and he was just an average guy. Nothing really worth to mention. He isn't important enough to me to have any feelings towards him.

I only oppose that he refers to the girls as objects rather than human beings and that he believes that the 3F's - which weren't invented by him - is the only way to go and everyone who prefers a different approach must be stupid and a total asshole.

If you would have read my posts carefully and would have used your brain, you probably would have known that already but you seem to prefer to attack others and calling them bad names. This is no substitute for an argument.

Also remember that saying "never make fun out of someone who speaks with an accent, he might speak more languages than you".

PurpleNGold

06-19-04, 21:39

roflmao

originally posted by a self-proclaimed ****
it's not worth to comment on your below post and as far as i know giotto, he probably won't. your post speaks for itself.

first, "it's not worth commenting on" is a typical retort by those who can't come up with a decent retort. second, you do go on to comment on it, so i guess there's that moth thing going on again. third, giotto put his lack of language skill into digital print as well, so i guess it's not true that ipta.

as for giotto's language skills being an accent, i used that as a highlight to the fact that he doesn't make a coherent statement. whether you can speak more languages or not, if you're gonna engage someone, you'd best be equipped to come off as mentally competent: people who can't communicate lose arguments, whether they are right or wrong.

posted by that same, self-proclaimed, ****
he isn't important enough to me to have any feelings towards him.

and, yet, as with the bit about "it's not worth comment," here you are, in a thread intended as his personal forum, attacking him. that's some serious mothing.

our self-proclaimed ****, at it again
but you seem to prefer to attack others and calling them bad names. this is no substitute for an argument.

name calling is typically referred to as ad-hominem. and, yes, i throw the humor of a bit of character tarnishing in with my posts on occasion, but that's not the crux (my arguments work just as well without it). you obviously didn't read the retort against our wannabe **** and english speaking fellow, because there is substantive content, even if an addle-brained **** would find it hard to digest.

one last from our self-proclaimed ****
i only oppose that he refers to the girls as objects rather than human beings

and you don't? you pay them for sex, that's pretty much objectifying them. or do you just mean that you object to him objectifying adult women?

i'm more convinced than ever that 1ball is right about you: fucking pitiful.

PurpleNGold

06-19-04, 21:48

originally posted by giotto
you are right, my english is really bad. this makes me a "wannabe-****", for sure.

giotto, the fact that your english sucks the mucous out of a dung beetle prostitute's diseased asshole has nothing to do with you being a wannabe-****.

you, in your ultra-limited vocabulary, stated that you don't want to be included among those who disagree with the traveller concerning his proclivities for under-aged girls. that means that you agree with him, and want to be a ****.

Joe Zop

06-20-04, 01:13

With all due respect, PNG, I think you are misreading Giotto's post. His statement that he prefers to belong to the part of the world that does not disagree with TT was a general statement and not one specific to age preference. I agree with TT on any number of things, as I also agree with you, Freeler, SA, etc. And disagree as well.

One place where I do disagree with Traveler is on his stated take on SA, which is overly narrow. SA is playing a very specific role, and sees that role as pounding on the 3F philosophy so people who are newbies won't be idiots. That's a valid take, certainly, but just because it's stated in big exaggerated terms it doesn't mean he absolutely takes anyone who disagrees to be "stupid and a total asshole" any more than his referring to women as objects -- which I also find objectionable, as it tends to get echoed by people who don't understand what hyperbole is -- means that he treats Thai women badly.

It is possible to have points of view that exist in colors other than black and white.

PurpleNGold

06-20-04, 02:20

jz, i know giotto probably didn't intend to agree with tt's ****-philo (pun intended). in my original retort, i just pointed out his statement as a way of saying "hey, look at what your saying," because my remark about the world disagreeing with tt was exclusively intended to indicate his child love ideas. unfortunately, giotto then decided to reinforce his idiotic statement and lend credence to the idea that he wants to be a ****.

of course, he's quite free to come out and denounce tt for being a criminal ****. that would certainly go a long ways towards exhonerating him as to what he meant.

btw, thanks for the more eloquent manner of pointing out why tt's chosen method of involvement in this particular topic is inappropriate. as ever, you're the better wordsmith :)

Giotto

06-20-04, 04:52

png,

sorry for bothering you again with my bad english.

quote:
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originally posted by png
i know giotto probably didn't intend to agree with tt's ****-philo (pun intended).
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how can you know?

quote:
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originally posted by png
in my original retort, i just pointed out his statement as a way of saying "hey, look at what your saying," because my remark about the world disagreeing with tt was exclusively intended to indicate his child love ideas.
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understand. then you should write that in your original retort, and not some posts later as explanation of what you might have meant.

quote:
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originally posted by png
of course, he's quite free to come out and denounce tt for being a criminal ****. that would certainly go a long ways towards exhonerating him as to what he meant.
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why should i do that? i am neither a judge nor god. do you really believe that such a statement would "exonerate" me? (btw: my thesaurus spells it without the "h"). i would feel dishonoured if i did.

quote:
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originally posted by png
whether you can speak more languages or not, if you're gonna engage someone, you'd best be equipped to come off as mentally competent: people who can't communicate lose arguments, whether they are right or wrong.
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understand, it's about winning or losing arguments. let's have a look at some of your socalled "arguments":

quote:
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originally posted by png
giotto, the fact that your english sucks the mucous out of a dung beetle prostitute's diseased asshole has nothing to do with you being a wannabe-****.

originally posted by png
you'll find that, after a few times, the topic won't even register in that little pea-brain that you were saddled with when that puss blister on your daddy's ball sack ruptured, spilling you into the world.
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ok. sorry, i need some time to learn this kind of "argumentation", though i am not sure yet, that i really want to use it.

quote:
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originally posted by png
you, in your ultra-limited vocabulary, stated that you don't want to be included among those who disagree with the traveller concerning his proclivities for under-aged girls. that means that you agree with him, and want to be a ****.
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..."concerning his proclivities for under-aged girls" - did i really write that? cannot find it. don't you think you somehow crossed the lines giving wrong statements like this?

giotto

The Traveler

06-20-04, 10:47

png

i guess we had enough of that stupid **** discussion and jackson made it very clear that he isn't willing to accept any more of that nonsense. your posts usually mainly consist of personal attacks, not arguments and is breaching the zero tolerance jackson set up.

compare your posts to joe zop's and you (hopefully) will see the difference. it's not only a question of language skills, punctuation or who the better wordsmith is, it's a question of attitude.

The Traveler

06-20-04, 10:59

Joe Zop

Kudos !

1Ball

06-20-04, 12:13

PnG, AGAIN, my comment of "fucking pathetic" was in no way directed at at TT. I have met him, and he is a very nice guy.

You two have a beef with each other, fine, I happen to disagree with your opinion of TT, but please do not take what I posted out of context.

The Traveler

06-20-04, 22:31

PNG

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orignally posted by PNG
I don't have an opinion of TT because I don't know him
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Cool, you don't have an opinion of me and don't know me.
So how does it come that you are insulting me and think you know about my sexual preferences? Did you ever take a look at the photo section where I posted the pics of the girls I took ? Did you ever listen to those who have met me and can confirm that I target only legal aged girls ?

You are one of those who only see what they want to see and take comments out of context, enjoying to flame others.

You are sick !

The Traveler

06-20-04, 22:59

Giotto

I understood your posts immediately. I guess it's a matter of brain capacity rather than the size of your thesaurus, leaving punctuation aside. :D

PurpleNGold

06-20-04, 23:49

traveler,

you yourself admitted to doing ****rs. you can't deny that now. all attempts at doing so are, in the immortal words of 1ball, fucking pitiful.

as for understanding giotto, i guess your right about it being a matter of brain capacity: pay homage to the old saying that it takes one **** to immediately understand another **** while they try, desperately, to lick the crust from each others' ball sacks.

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 00:41

Originally posted by The Traveler
You are one of those who only see what they want to see and take comments out of context, enjoying to flame others.

Originally posted by The Traveler
SA

had a few minutes off so I checked the forum to see if SA shares more of his wisdom with us "stupid tourists" to enlighten us. And yes, he does, but it is sad to see how boring your life must be. Just wonder to whom you are talking, no one here !

Originally posted by 1ball
absolutely fucking pitiful.

Joe Zop

06-21-04, 01:33

Jeez. you guys make some of Samus' cut-and-paste posts on the 3Fs look absolutely inventive and fresh! How about letting all this foolishness rest, since all it's done is clutter up a thread that could better be served by more postings from SA!

Ok, SA, I've decided I'm going to put together an AIF (Adult Interactive Fiction) game called "One Night In Bangkok" where the player will need to navigate various places, avoid katooeys and rip-offs, and have his fun. It'll generally use the 3F perspective, though I may have some fun with that. I will probably make things stay around Sukhumvit, just to keep the game logistics simple. I'd like to hear your suggestions for locations I should use as touchstones for the mongering experience in the Big Durian.

Giotto

06-21-04, 04:45

PnG,

The last thing I need in my life is you giving me a "benefit of doubt". I am quite happy if you are done with me. But - I am also sure that it will not stay like this for long. Just saw you starting a new battlefield with TT in the Thailand photo section.

Joe Zop,

With all due respect, I don't see SA having any point here, especially not in preventing newbies from trusting Thai BGs. I remember his statement about ALL women being hookers. This is simply nonsense, and nobody takes people serious posting such undifferentiated statements.

I wonder why nobody ever discusses the principle of "cause and effect" in this spedific case. Is it possible that we create that genre of BGs if we approach them with the 3F philosophy?

But - we should not start this discussion now, let's go ahead with useless personal attacks. Most of the people posting in this thread are not really interested in other issues.

TT,

I don't think one needs a huge brain capacity to understand my posts.

Giotto

Freeler

06-21-04, 05:05

I find it both amuzing and sad that a self confessed kiddyfucker has the guts to write:
"and think you know about my sexual preferences?"

Joe Zop,

I also find it sad that you always keep threads going, even the game thread(!), but when it comes to childabuse you want nothing of it?? Why don't you say flat out where you stand. A black or white answer will do!

Giotto,

Like the original kiddyfucker did a few months ago, you're only talking yourself in deeper and deeper.

Giotto

06-21-04, 05:08

Freeler,

Yes, sure.

Giotto

Jack Spratt

06-21-04, 06:04

Freeler and PnG, a rational person would have to question why you guys appear so intent on reviving a thread that (thankfully) died out 4 months ago.

Time to leave it alone (in all senses of the phrase), and get on with your lives.

And if you are inclined to attack me, or associate me, save your typing time - this will be my only contribution in this subject.

Let's get back to SA's one-track ramblings, to which this thread is supposed to be dedicated.

jack

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 06:23

spratt,

i could care less about that thread, or reviving it. this whole discussion is a direct result of traveler coming in here and flaming sa.

however, the fact that he is a kiddie-fucker is a point of fact, and important enough that he not be allowed to live it down, ever. i'm not in the habit of saying, "oh, it's been 4 months since <joe ****> last admitted to [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) an **** girl. i think i'll go buy him a beer."

Joe Zop

06-21-04, 07:02

freeler, i'm sorry, but you're simply mistaken, as i've said over and over precisely where i stand -- people who target those who are ****d are criminals. i've also stated over and over that i personally am usually not interested in sexual partners who are at all under their twenties. if you want to know the full scope and color of my opinion, do a search of the "morality of prostitution" thread and read my discussion on age of consent laws with virgin terry. (the short version -- i'm emphatically for them.)

i've also said over and over that i find the kind of argumentative tactics used about this subject in the now closed thread and elsewhere to be completely obnoxious. the reason i don't say anything about the subject when it's brought up in another trashtalking spree is because there's been nothing of value or new that's been said in months -- it's all simply been childish namecalling from all points of view. the one attempt during the closed thread i made to actually try to look at the topic as something which could be rationally discussed in any way (as in, let's talk about how mongers should best protect themselves from getting fooled) was unfortunately misinterpreted by skinless as some sort of attack on him, which was not at all my intention, and which distressed me greatly. i basically decided at that point this was not something most people could actually discuss, and stopped taking part.

if that's not clear enough, please tell me what i should amplify or clarify for your edification. however, if you mean that i'm not stating where i stand on child abuse because i don't take every opportunity to call people names, well, go fuck yourself, as that's not how i operate.

Giotto

06-21-04, 07:23

All,

Look, what happens here. It is really amazing.

Suddenly I find myself to be accused as a paedophile – only because I mentioned TT in one of my posts. I am relatively new here in this forum - is that normal?

Some self-proclaimed state attorneys and judges throwing dirt around, attacking personally, using faecal language, crossing the borders of decency, and not even recognize what they are doing.

Some oppose, luckily, but – silence of all others.

Be ashamed, all of you, who are reading this, amazed, smiling, disgusted – whatever. If you are not raising your voices, if you are hiding behind the screen of your computers, you are indirectly supporting those stupid people, who obviously want a forum to be a chatroom for personal attacks and a modern version of witch hunt.

McCarthy, welcome back!

Giotto

Bill

06-21-04, 12:35

Some guys here say they don't want to take sides against The Traveller. No problem. Just read his posts in the sub forum "Traveller and Skinless discussions" to see what kind of a man he is and what he represents. F******* Pitiful or not?

JuiceSpike

06-21-04, 13:34

Samus,

Get back in here before this thread gets shut down.

PNG,

The TT thing is over killed. Really.

Pizza Man,

How about BG delivering pizzas to hotels? I will be in BKK in July, we should talk.

juice

Freeler

06-21-04, 15:29

Joe Zop,

It is technically impossible to go fuck myself, and I don't have to, because this answer suits me fine.

Juice,

As long as Samus, for which ever reason, remains a Regular Member on his own page he simply is not able to come in and do whatever. To me that sucks.
Read the Photo Section: Again ******** says that there is no full proof way to tell age through ID checks. That's bullshit - we all know it, he denies it.

Joe Zop

06-21-04, 16:52

Freeler, well, since the answer suits you, please feel free with my compliments to get some lovely to help you with the fucking side of things -- that is, after all, what this forum is supposed to be about! (And I certainly don't need to give you advice on whom or where...)

The Traveler

06-21-04, 19:14

Freeler

as soon as you enlighten us on how to determine that a provided ID is a faked one (this might get easier with the new IDs with hologram) or is a borrowed one from a friend or relative, I will change my mind. But as long as you can not tell us how to do that your NO ID NO GO might only salve your consciences.

Why not share your knowledge with us and provide this very valuable information ?

Giotto

06-21-04, 19:26

Bill,

It's simply not up to us to judge. This is the "*************", and not a court. Yes, it is very pitiful, that some people in this forum really believe they have the right to do so.

Giotto

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 20:36

traveler,

a girl using a borrowed id fools you? are you saying that 'they all look alike?' the only reason girls get away with that kind of crap is because the id checker doesn't give a shit and just wants deniability.

if you're in doubt, how about trying other checks as well:

* try asking her friends what her birthday is. they're good friends and they're girls: they know this shit about each other.

* how about asking the security or desk clerk to check the id?

* how about asking her what year she was born and taking note of whether or not she has to think about it?

* how about turning yourself in to the thai (or your local) authorities, giving them your story and seeing if they buy it?

btw, an argument that "well she had a fake id, so how could i know" would be invalid (even if you'd bothered to check in advance). the guys who used an ****d traci lords for porn videos went to jail even though they had photocopies of the fake birth certificate and driver's license provided to them.

your attempts to salve your concsience and evade culpability for your actions are, as 1ball said, fucking pitiful.

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 20:39

JZ,

Since I usually find your posts to be the most eloquently written, your last one surprised me. You might want to change your password because I think Giotto may be using your account.

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 20:45

giotto,

congratulations, the first 3 or 4 lines of your post were actually readable. they distort the truth, but at least they're coherent. did traveler help you write them?

no one accused you of being a ****. you accused yourself, and others pointed it out to you. you then heaped more accusation on yourself with further posts until we all had no choice but to assume you are either a **** or a ****-in-training (btw, when traveler says that sucking that green slime from the tip of his dick will help you better understand the ****-philo? he's lying). have someone other than traveler translate the english for you.

1Ball

06-21-04, 21:00

I think i speak for 99% of us here when I say to you children

THAT IS FUCKING ENOUGH !!!!!!!!!

For God's sake, what the fuck is wrong with you guys ?

The Traveler

06-21-04, 21:22

png

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are you saying that 'they all look alike?
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no, i'm not, but many - if not most - ids were made at the age of 15 or 16 with this short school haircut. when we pick them up they have different haircuts, makeup on their face, which might also change rapidly in that age range, and light isn't perfect at the most pickup places. i often wondered how girls, which i know about, look on their ids.

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try asking her friends what her birthday is. they're good friends and they're girls: they know this shit about each other.
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in thailand a birthday isn't important as it is for an european or american, so their friends don't necessarily need to know. and they aren't always "good friends", they often just work together. you might also ask me about my colleagues birthdays or ask them about mine, the outcome would be the same, we do not know !

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how about asking the security or desk clerk to check the id?
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that might work, but not in all cases. how often do bouncers at discos and other staff fall for it ? i once was with a 19yr old and security at marine plaza disco was in doubt if she was really the person displayed on the provided id. he was asking her for full name, birthday and address. she correctly answered all the questions without hesitation, but the id wasn't hers, it was the id of her older sister. security let her inside anyway.

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how about asking her what year she was born and taking note of whether or not she has to think about it?
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see above. these girls aren't stupid and they might memorise all necessary data beforehand. damn, they are doing it almost every night and know all the tricks.

congrats, your style is improving. if you would have avoided the last sentence i would consider it a valuable post.

thanks, you are the first of the very few accusing me who seriously answered that question. the others don't, guess why ?
they know that there is no fool proof way and they would have to admit that they probably already fall for it. so it's easier to state that no id no go is fool proof rather than telling us how to ensure it.
you can only minimize the risk but you can not eradicate it.

you should inform yourself before posting about something you do not know about. since we are talking about sex in thailand we have to follow thai law. it says that sex with a girl of age 15 and below is a crime, and that sex with a girl between 16 to 18 can be punished if the girl or the family is filing against you but as long as they don't do police will not care.

anyway, a **** is someone who deliberately targets ****d girls (13 and less), not someone who happened to ran into an ****d 17yr old hooker. if you aren't able to see the difference i can't help you.

btw, 1ball pointed out several times that his comment was in no way directed towards me. stick to the truth, do not repeat comments out of context and don't change the intention of the original poster.

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 21:45

traveler,

you can try to sidle out of all the checks, but the fact is you admitted to fucking a kid who you had doubts about yet didn't bother to do one bit of checking. that amounts to: criminal negligence, and basically means that you knew what you were doing and went ahead with the kiddie-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) anyway.

i like how you try to ignore the last point. if you are so sure of your self, why wouldn't you throw it to a court for vindication? what better way would there be to refute all of us '****-sayers' than to say "hey, i went to the authorities and they agreed i didn't do anything wrong, so fuck off!"?

maybe it's because of the other part of my post that you ignored. the part that pointed out incarceration for the traci lords producers?

The Traveler

06-21-04, 22:03

PNG

a 17yr old "kid" ?
Read my post, I picked up on your "Traci Lord" argument.

I guess most guys here are bored of that stupid discussion just like me. We had it all in a different thread. Read it if you like but do not let us repeat it here. This is the SA section and Jackson already made clear that he got enough of it.

I said what I had to say, nothing to add. It's useless, you won't change your mind cause you already made it up and my arguments might lead to the unwelcome comprehension that you and the other flamers might have fallen in the very same trap.
It's hard to be honest, isn't it ?

END OF STORY

Samus Aran

06-21-04, 22:40

Fellas:

Geez. If this were SA speaking he would have been blasted into cybe outer space by now. Mr Jackson, and SA can't have a Senior Membership after this discussion? Hmmmm.

Anyways, cant we all get along? Arent there more pressing issues in the world today?

This is the SA section!

This section is about having sex with Thai girls of the appropriate age and then leaving them with a few bucks in their hand and then walking away as if nothing took place.

Guys, no discussion like this would have occured amongst us if you would just fuck and forget these hookers. You see what happens? When will you older guys ever figure this out!!!

You fuck these girls and then talk about it. Shit, they should have been treated like spam email....into the trash bin.

So, SA was down on Silom picking up copies of some xrated vids(SA calls them stroke discs) for those lonely nights... For those of you interested you can have good copies of the latest xrated vids from USA, Thailand, Japan, China, and everywhere else for about 200 baht per dvd. If you have a vcd player you can get them for 70 baht per copy. Thought you might like to know that.

Damn, you guys are really acting like idiots. Take your argument somehwere else. Exchange hotmail addresses or something...

JZ.. SA was thinking of a video game along that line... Like a Sims game. You can create your own sim character and then lead him through Bangkok and its nightlife.

You can take some of the character ideas from Domino who SA thinks did a pretty good job with the first 3 sim characters. Can you think of more?

Juice, when you coming into town?

Next time SA comes back to his section SA hopes that everybody has kissed and made up. Be nice to each other boys.

Samus Aran

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 22:52

i wasn't the one that started discussing whether or not you are a ****. that's just a fact.

i was arguing that you should keep you ****-nose out of a thread if all you're going to do is provide unsolicited flames.

you revived the issue by attempting to deny what you've already admitted.

as for your 'picking up on my traci lords argument,' nice bit of editing. that wasn't in the post originally. however, by the laws of your country, by the law of the kingdom of thailand and by the law of this board, any girl under the age of 18 is a kid. try turning yourself into local american authorities and you'll find out that they will prosecute you for that crime even if it was committed outside political borders. you, as an adult, fucked a 17 year old kid. that means two things:

1) you are a kiddie-fucker. you have no deniability.

2) you are a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) since a child cannot give consent.

hence, my definition of you as ****-[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) is apt, and you are (1balls words ring true as ever) absolutely fucking pitiful. you're right, you can't support any argument that will try to make you out to something other than a ****-[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) as that's not in question, but a matter fact based on your self-admitted acts.

PurpleNGold

06-21-04, 23:04

originally posted by traveler (aka child-[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126))
you should inform yourself before posting about something you do not know about. since we are talking about sex in thailand we have to follow thai law. it says that sex with a girl of age 15 and below is a crime, and that sex with a girl between 16 to 18 can be punished if the girl or the family is filing against you but as long as they don't do police will not care.

no, i think you should inform your fucking pitiful self before trying to spout about something you obviously have no clue on:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/thailand.htm

here are some highlights:

i. ages for legal purposes

age of simple majority

according to the prostitution prevention and suppression act, " child " means a person who is not
yet over 18 years of age.

section 8 of the " prostitution prevention and suppression act " states

" whoever, for sexual gratification of that person or of the third person, commits sexual intercourse
or any other act against a person who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years
of age, with or without his or her consent, in a place for prostitution, shall be punished with
imprisonment of one to three years and a fine of twenty thousand to sixty thousand baht.

if the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph is committed against a child not
over fifteen (15) years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of two to six years
and a fine of forty thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand baht. "

section 9 of the " prostitution prevention and suppression act " states

" whoever procures, seduces, or traffics the other person to commit the act of prostitution, even
with consent of the other person, no matter whether the commission of various acts which
constitute the offence are committed inside or outside the territory of the kingdom, shall be
punished with imprisonment of one to ten years and an fine of twenty thousand to two hundred
thousand baht.

if the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph is against a person who is over
fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years of age, the offender shall be punished with
imprisonment of five to fifteen years and a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred
thousand baht.

last...

if the commission of the offence as specified in the first, second or third paragraph is perpetrated
by using deceitful means, threat, physical assault, immoral influence, or mental coercion by any
other means, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment one-third heavier than the
punishment accordingly specified in the first, second, third or fourth paragraph as the case may
be. "

what was that you said in the photo gallery thread about being very persuausive?

Terry Terrier

06-21-04, 23:05

png,

when i first started posting on this board, you were posting some great trip reports at the same time as my own humble efforts.

since you have returned home you have continued posting on this section, and i have noticed, others. your posts have been getting increasingly agitated. and we can take your grievances with the traveller out of the equation. you tried to pick a fight with a newbie in the photo section the other day, accusing him of doctoring his photos and casting doubt on his ability to spot **** girls. it turned out that this 'newbie' was a very knowledgable farang resident of thailand of several years standing. you very quickly, and very wisely, shut the hell up on this particular attack, and went back to concentrating your efforts on the traveller (and anyone such as giotto who reserves the right to have his own opinion).

do you not think that it would be a good idea to put your flight ticket for your next mongering trip in a prominent place on your desk and take a short sabbatical from the board?

that way, you will hopefully keep your reputation as a poster of great reports and info, instead of coming across as a bad-tempered and foul mouthed guy who is frustrated by the fact that he is stuck at work.

Freeler

06-21-04, 23:09

1ball,

Yes, we'd all (except one:() would like that very much.

However, ******** just used his words to say that this will NOT end:
"END OF STORY"

He will just go on and on and on.

If this does stop, please pm me and tell me I was wrong - so it doesn't go on here. Like last time, when ******** said he was going to stop:(.

Samus,

Perhaps you can take over Belguel's slot in the Marocco section. It seems his position is vacant:(.

Tantrik

06-21-04, 23:42

you all know that this board has a zero tolerance policy against personal attacks and discussing **** sex. so why the fuck do some people here keep doing both? show jackson and his board policies a little bit of consideration and take your moralistic rants elsewhere.

PurpleNGold

06-22-04, 00:01

tantrik, we are not discussing **** sex. pointing out to someone that his bullshit arguments are, well, bullshit, and he is, in fact, a **** by self-admission is not discussing uderage sex. please read and comprehend the entire discussion before throwing your erroneous $.02 in to a forum to which you have contributed nothing else.

this is (or rather was before traveler tried to turn it into his personal attempt at salving his own conscience) a discussion about traveler's coming into this thread and flaming sa. and, before that flame, it was a discussion with and about sa re his application of the 3fs.

you are absolutely right that jackson has a zero-tolerance policy re personal attacks. that's why we are telling traveler to take his attacks and stuff them up his ass.

Tantrik

06-22-04, 00:24

you're not really discussing **** sex because travelers arguments on the subject are bullshit? going through the judicial technicalities of thai law concerning **** sex like you just did isn't discussing **** sex? personal attacks aren't personal attacks because you say another person is also attacking someone?

we all have reasons. and they mean shit in your case, you're still breaking the rules. it's really not that hard to understand once you start thinking about it.

1Ball

06-22-04, 00:40

i have come to the conclusion that it really doesn't matter if xxx is a ****, or yyy is a ****.

you guys are acting like a bunch of 5 year olds, and are obviously very much ****. tgs should be asking you for your id, and tellling you to come back when you are adults.

Gladiator

06-22-04, 00:43

traveler,

i hope you were serious when you said ‘end of story’ and stop replying to that handful of serial flamers who seem to take great delight in insulting you at every opportunity. this discussion is really boring.

you posted a few pics of thai hookers who, according to current thai law, were **** and you did it not to show off how good you are at picking up illegal thai hookers but to stop anyone else from making the same mistake and going with them. your goodwill was even acknowledged by jackson himself when he pointed out that those photos had been posted just as a warning.

for some unknown reason, since then a handful of sorry figures have kept on flaming you and trying to justify their continuous flames with their cheap morality. i can’t understand why you bother to reply, i really admire your patience –i know it must be annoying to be insulted all the time, but considering that those insults come from just a handful of posters who don’t represent anyone apart from themselves it would be best to ignore them.

it is also interesting to note that out of the hundreds or even thousands of pussy-hunters that frequent this forum there are only 3 or 4 offenders who like to insult you repeatedly. that fact speaks volumes.

please do us all a favour and ignore them.

1Ball

06-22-04, 01:08

TT.

PLEEEEEEEEEEASE, take the advice of Gladiator

PurpleNGold

06-22-04, 01:11

tantrik,

as i said, read the whole discussion before popping off. we are not discussing **** sex acts. if jackson finds that the listing of thai law defining and forbidding such are offensive, he's quite capable of blue inking the post. notice that he hasn't?

did you ever think about the reason for the ban on discussion of sex with minors is there to prevent ****s like traveler from aiding and abetting other fucking pitiful ****s?

i'm not saying that personal attacks on others are okay. if you bothered to read my posts, as opposed to just reading the pm traveler sent you saying "please come help me", you'd realize that my attack against traveler isn't personal. i have made attacks against his actions (flaming and kiddie-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125)) and pointed out that such actions are the acts of someone who is, as 1ball so accurately stated, fucking pitiful. i admit that i've thrown in a couple of humorous insults, but those are not the crux of my posts.

gladiator,

if the discussion bores you, your welcome not to join in.

jackson let those pics stand because they weren't pornographic, you think his response would have been the same if our disgusting **** had posted the nude shots of said girls with the same justification? ever thought "how is it that, while the majority of us don't find ourselves falling into such an easy trap, traveler had plenty of pics of kids he'd accidentally raped?"

it's funny how tantrik and gladiator, two heretofor non-posters in this thread, don't come in here with their own brand of flaming and say: traveler, why don't you just stop denying that you're a ****, turn yourself into your local authorities and end the whole discussion. instead you come in here and say people are wrong for crying out for a criminal to be dealt with appropriately.

can't remember who is responsible for it, but there's a very famous quote:

the only thing required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

Tantrik

06-22-04, 01:28

the rules of wsg forum clearly state no personal attacks and no discussion of **** sex. if there were an exception to the board policies in the case of moral crusades, there would be a rule saying moral fucking crusades exempted. now can you please show us where this rule is written?

thank you.

PurpleNGold

06-22-04, 01:33

i'm done with this discussion. not with pointing out traveler's child-[CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) and flaming ways, but, with debating the issue with him. he's a ****: 'facts is facts'

i'm also done discussing whether it's right or wrong to call for justice in child-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) situations. if you haven't figured that out yet, your just as bad as the ****-[CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) himself.

unlike traveler (maybe since i don't have any guilt built up inside) i have the character to keep to my convictions. re this discussion, i will refrain from responding to the stupid postings by traveler (aka the ****), giotto (aka wannabe-****), tantrik (who obviously does not have the mental capacity to understand the difference between a 'personal attack' and a debate concerning someone's activities, and whose major contribution to the board has been in the form of proving he's just a traveler alter-ego) and/or gladiator (who made absolutely no contribution, ignorant or otherwise, to the furtherance of the topic).

i'll simply retire from this discussion with the knowledge that we know 1ball is right, traveler is fucking pitiful.

Giotto

06-22-04, 03:52

png,

so sad that you are done with this discussion. but normally stupidity and ignorance doesn't count so much in life. may be it is really better for you to retire into your micro cosmos in which all human values, rules and philosophies are packed in small boxes, and you only have to open one to put in people which have a different opinion from yours.

you mention you have character. what character is that if no red warning lamp is blinking when you cross the lines and accuse others being criminals just for fun? you wrote, that you are not attacking personally - sorry, i can only laugh about that statement.

and your pseudo forensic argumentation about [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123):

statement: an **** person cannot give consent, so sex with it is "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)".

and then, in your own quotes about the thai laws one can read:

"...who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years of age, with or without his or her consent, in a place for prostitution, shall be punished with..."

obviously the thai law acknowledge the consent (which is also quite logical), but it doesn't fit into your argumentation, so this fact is simply ignored.

just go ahead acting like this, i am quite sure that you can add some more people to your list of those you don't want to respnd any more. that would be good for all of us.

png, you are really fucking pitiful.

giotto

Tantrik

06-22-04, 04:00

mental capacity indeed. you're right, i don't see the logic in what you moral crusaders are saying most of the time. and this last one, not understanding that trying to label someone as "fucking pitiful" isn't an insult, but a part of a debate concerning someone's activities, doesn't even rank highly in that regard.

the moralist bandwagon in this discussion largely resides in a country where 8-10 year old kids are being sold from cozy little teahouses as sextoys to wealthy businessmen on holiday. in a country where little girls from poorer neighbouring countries are being kidnapped or lured by false promises and held as sexslaves in cheap brothels until they're so worn out or sick from venereal diseases that noone wants to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them any more. in other words, a country where real organized ****a and child slavery exists, and is plentiful.

still though, what concerns the moralist bandwagon is writing hundreds and hundreds of posts about a guy who, according to a forum, screwed three 17 year old freelancers while trying to avoid breaking any laws, and who got the admins consent in posting the pictures, because it might help others to avoid making the same mistake.

also, the moralist crusaders that go on and on forever about traveler and his so called crimes against children don't seem to be concerned about kids anymore when it comes to contributing even a small sum to the board charity for starving children. not even as a courtesy to the admin for being here for free. seriously, do you guys think you might wake up one day and find out that you're actually the world's greatest hipocrites?

ofcourse there's real issue behind all this. everyone's not like traveler. most people aren't successfull businessmen, they don't have their own helicopter, and they don't attract young, beautiful women without flashing their wallets at them. and there's only one king of the thai picture section. samus aran said it best when he bluntly wrote "the problem with you is that you are always trying to prove yourself better than the rest of us." yeah, stop being so successful, traveler. it gets annoying for the rest of us.

we can't all be winners in this life, but atleast we can try to accept whatever cards we are dealt without succumbing to the most base emotions humans can feel and express. the irony of this whole "discussion" is that everyone involved in it is a victim to the same kind of twisted morals by being mongers, only to moralism in a slightly different form. pity some people fail to see it or simply don't want to.

Giotto

06-22-04, 04:07

Tantrik,

Great post. Nothing to add.

Giotto

Freeler

06-22-04, 04:58

Guys,

I received this pm from that individual whose name I won't mention (because he is a kiddyfucker and admitted so himself):

"who can't stop

Freeler,

the prob is, that you and PNG aren't able to stop and always pick up that nonsense.
You still haven't answered my question how you ensure that the provided ID really belongs to the girl. Why ?"

He doesn't stop, he just goes on in a different way.
Furthermore, he already admitted not to ask for ID's on a regular basis - so what the fuck he on about?

Jeez,

Tantrik sounds JUST LIKE ********. Coincidence no doubt...

Giotto

06-22-04, 05:03

Freeler,

May be you show us your qualities - and stop attacking others.

You reached the next lower lewel now - posting a PM in the forum. Obviously there are no rules and no limits for you - only for others.

I wonder whether you can really look into a mirror without immediately throwing up.

Giotto

Macgoo

06-22-04, 05:15

Guys,

This is way too heated. Try my Flame Retardant and call it a day!

Jack Spratt

06-22-04, 07:00

One down, and only one to go. Praise the lord!

jack

Bill

06-22-04, 09:48

Samus,

Ha Ha Ha!

Totally hilarious! Someone's tiny balls are ready to bust wide open because its so very hard to mean what they say (END OF STORY). You guys are creating a mental torture for this ***ophile and he's losing sleep. Bwaaaahaha! The ********'s compulsion for getting the last word and targeting kids will eventually win. I would like to wager a c-note against anyone here that thinks it really is his END OF STORY.

"choose em' use em' abuse em' and lose em'"
ancient sage monger- master Fook Yeung Poosee

Samus Aran

06-22-04, 11:39

Nr Admin:

This is SA's section. This isn't supposed to be happening here. Hey, SA thinks you should take away there Seniro Member status and give to some more desrving individual like........ SA!

Man, this is a real boring discussion in SA's section. SA section is for discussing love em and leave em techniques. Can we open a new section for these other discussions? Its really boring guys. Take it elsewhere. Exchange email adresses, do something!

Hey, SA saw this really enormous gent walking down Sukumvit. He had just come from the Emporium and did some shopping with his associate. The funny part was she was carrying all of the bags while he had a couple of hotdogs and a large coke in his hands. Now you want to talk about fucking pathetic!

SA has someone interested in a 3f 3sum session. Or actually she would like to be spermed on by a group of men also. Anytakers? She isn't Thai but absolutley loves sex and in every possible orifice She has a great body with great tits. If interested pm through the proper channels. You must be clean, weight somewhat proportion to height. Whales do not apply. And, discreet. No pictures at all. This is strictly 3f sex. Any of you love sick guys looking for a GFE do not apply. You will be kicked out and forgotten like a used kleenex. If you cant handle this thought, dont apply either.

Samus Aran

Admin

06-22-04, 13:27

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

Domino

06-22-04, 15:19

Jackson

Thank you for posting your message. The level of posts here is quite low. Whether that is a reflection of other own low standards, only the good Lord knows.

SA is a regular member and, as such, his posts are delayed. This section arose from SA's harping on one theme. SA is not a member of the string section, like our legion of second fiddles. He is a member of the percussion set. He drums on incessantly about the same message, sometimes in tune, sometimes not in tune. Many of the second fiddles (and they are not first violinists for a reason) try to put him off and come in here ridiculing him when the noise level is low here. Those people do not understand melody, harmony and this orchestra of ours. SA's job is to post at the same time when others forget they are fucking the trash of Asia and they believe thery are doing something else. Let me give a few non specific examples:
1. One time in Soi Cowbiy, I saw a guy throwing small $ bills into the panties of hookers and thinking he was a big shot. On holiday, real or virtual, we can all have our dreams, wet and other. But big shots do not hang out in slums and ghettoes. Only potential members of Mongers Anonymous do.

2. I am now in Saigon, far away from Thailand. The women who help out at the hotel here have all been to university. They work 7 long days a week and get one week'sd holidays a year. They are good women but very poor. They are much higher up the pecking order than the hookers of Pattaya. Some of them wil probably marry Lonely Hearts Backpackers. That at least is their dream and thye bring no baggage with them to the party. No wealth but no baggage only.

3. Sex tourists have a very bad name. It is not someting to boast about. But no smoke without fire. A lot of sex tourists are assholes. We buy these women with our money. We think we are king because we can be hot shots with $100. That is sad.

4. Samas: I hope all is well with you. I know waht a sensitive soul you are and how you abhor these childish, nercissistic diversions. I personally detest these people using your forum to exorcise their many demons. I feel sorry for them and their fragile egos. Check out my Vietnam postings.

Keep well and keep in mind the purpose of the forum and of this thread. Go get em Samas

Freeler

06-22-04, 17:29

y'all,

in the bangkokpost today:

"former abbot guilty of the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of nine **** girls

the former abbot of wat sam phran in nakhon pathom was yesterday given a 160-year jail sentence for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) nine **** hilltribe girls at the temple from 1988-1995 while six former nuns were handed down 31-year jail terms for luring the girls for the monk to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)."

how do you like that?! too bad that actual maximum jailtime in thailand is just 50 years...

Giotto

06-22-04, 19:41

Domino,

You just proved: the level of the posts here is quite low. Some good points, but a lot of nonsense in your post.

Giotto

The Traveler

06-22-04, 20:58

gladiator, 1ball

don't worry, i won't respond to it anymore.
all has been said, nothing new to add. it's all repetetive and i hate to repeat myself. if anyone enjoys that crap, please move to the appropriate section and read it over and over again but keep the other sections clean. anyway, it's not a discussion, it never was. they only issue statements but i never saw a single argument and they never answered straight questions (single exception by png which seems to confirm the rule) or questioned their own behaviour. also if someone is supporting what i say he must be a ****, but if he is supporting the handful of freaks he is a cool and decent guy.
strange logic and very mature approach.

i thank all who took part, but please let's change the topic. the very few who want to continue insulting me won't stop and can't be convinced by any arguments whatsoever. they will fade off if nobody will answer them.

The Traveler

06-22-04, 21:04

Tantrik

your assumptions are correct.
Jealousy is one of the worst human attributes and those who are envious, often do not realize how much hard work and diligence is needed to be successful. The ones of us who are successful and wealthy often were working and saved up when the others were partying.

It's always easier to blame others than trying to catch up.

Take care

The Traveler

06-22-04, 21:12

SA

Even though I am not your biggest fan because you deliberately hyperbolize all the time and I am worried that some guys might take you by your word and act accordingly - don't forget, many bad things like the Nazis, Klu Klux Clan etc. started by "just" talking and downgrading others, treating them like objects rather than human beings - I already miss your posts.

Compared to that crap below your repetitive 3Fs are absolutely refreshing.

JuiceSpike

06-23-04, 01:44

Is it just me or this section is getting more and more dillusional by the post...?

Jackson,

Could you give Samus his senior status so his posts come up right away? He actually posted something and I missed it. You know, his usual BS but always entertaining... He is a freak, we know that but a lot more interesting to read compared to the dillusional pseudo arguments, accusations and defenses posted here recently. Some things and people are worth the time for discussion others are not...

Samus,

Will be there on July 1st for a few weeks doing a little of biz, a lot of fucking and looking for a condo on Suk area (I might rent it out as a short time hotel while I'm gone but renters must bring their own sheets...) Keep posting...

juice

Joe Zop

06-23-04, 03:24

Hey, SA, in answer to your post, I think Domino did a great job of defining some monger characters, but I'm more interested in the exploration side than the player side. I differ with you here in that I've never really been an avatar type -- more a puzzle type. Though the monger types can make for some useful auxiliary characters...

I figure I can cull dozens upon dozens of TG characters simply by going back through the field reports in the Thai section, and locations are easy enough, so it's more a matter of deciding what not to put in and spending a bit more time learning the programming system. Ah well, you know what they say -- write about what you know! :D

Domino

06-23-04, 13:20

SA
Glad we are back on track. JuiceSpike and I will both be around Bkk at the beginning of July if your lady friend needs some help, I am a pizza man and do not go for burgers. But I might fail on the 3F as I just proposed to a little filly in the hotel.

I am also thinking of hitting Myanmar unless someone can come up with more virgin country to explore. The deal would be hit Bkk, team up with Juice, fill your lady friend up and split to some backwoods where women need a few greenbacks.

I alos hope you get your senior status and that you square issues with Jackson who is one of the most intriguing guys here. From now on,I think we should all reply only to SA in this thread. SA, if you are not promoted to Senior Member, you should at least be first violin here. So, go ahead SA: pluck at our heart strings and bring tears to our eyes with your tales of Thai debauchery. Your long suffering public deserves nothing less.

Bill

06-24-04, 00:42

SA,

Hmmm, it smells like doo doo in here! I detected some major brown nosing and apologetic complementing going on a few posts back. See what I mean? Be careful, because someone's next move might be to invite you out for several beers, ask you to try on little girls clothes and ****.

The Traveler

06-24-04, 14:41

Bill

------------------------------------------------
Hmmm, it smells like doo doo in here!
------------------------------------------------

May I suggest you to take a shower ? :)

Domino

06-25-04, 05:03

Samus Aran: Please RTFF. To become a senior member, you have to request same in the Request Senior Member Thread. Although a few endorsements (or otherwise:D) might help, you have to say you abided by the rules etc. Jackson has spelt out those details very clearly and I took great care to read them and inform other regular members such as Giotto about them.

Your case, given your history, is slightly different and I think we can all agree you have (unnecessarily) pissed Herr Jackson off on more than one occasion. I think this is somewhat ironic as you come from similar backgrounds and your moral outlooks are not at all dissimilar.

So, please PM and email him as well. Or, after relevant reading, just post a longish post in the Request Senior Upgrade section. It might help if you also dissociate yourself there from your critics here whose agenda, shall we say in charity, is not your agenda.

PS: Does our white chick like pizzas? If so, I would be happy to take the two of you and Juice Spike out for a Pizza and some good Italian ground coffee but only if you don't mention Italian soccer, video games and we all three get to play footsie in public for the benefit of Bagkok's pizza eating community. OK? Or would that be against your rules?

Spidey

06-25-04, 06:27

Domino,

Pizza at Pizza Hut at the World Trade Center. All you can get Pizza from 100 bahts (11am - 2pm ). What a deal!

Samus Aran

06-25-04, 10:42

Domino,

SA doesnt mind the regular member ranking. MAkes SA special.

Sure, we like pizza, but refuse to eat the pan pizza crap. SA is a thin crust kind of guy. Just like SA's prefernece in women, thin with no smelly anchovies.

My sex friend wont be back here until the end of july. So plan accordingly. SA knows that Juice will be here in the beginning of the month so he may not be around. SA is also going back to teh USA early July. All footsie action will begin in August. For those interested in getting together and sperming a real hot USA woman in a big session pm SA for the details. AS SA said before, u must be clean cut, good physical condition, not too much vitamin v, non smoker, weight and height appropriate, not looking to hurt anybody, and arelooking for discreet fun with no fotos or names, and strictly 3f sex wth no GFE, then you can contact SA. Winners will be treated to a good time and some good sex. But you must be able to handle the fact that u will not get a second chance as this is throwaway sex. You will be treated as an object. If you cant handle this idea, dont bother. This woman wants only to be the object of pleasure for a group of men and bring them as much pleasure as she can.

Interested PM SA.

Samus Aran

Samus Aran

06-25-04, 22:16

Fellas,

SA hates to harp on this point but what is up with you sexers having to show your affection in public with these thai hump machines. Even holiding hands with these hos is disgusting. Are you trying to make us other men jealous? Do you know how stupid and out of place you look to us and the rest of the Thais? Can somebody please explain this to SA? Walking in the emporium yesteday I was behind this large, older, pasty white man and his hired 20 year old associate, walking and kissing as they meandered through the mall.

SA is sorry for repeating this information but guys Thailand is about sex not making relationships with a little hump machine. Are these guys that love sick that they cant separate love and sex? And these are grown men. Please gentlemn use the Thai hos for what God created them for and that is to be a backboardfor your cumshots. Period. Once again SA doesnt mean to be mean but for crying out loud most of these hos you wouldnt even consider talking to in your own country.

Onto a happier note, the rain has stopped and the weather has been cooler. SA is getting ready for his first trip home in 2 years. This is a 2 week stay in a cooler mid western state. Kind of looking forward to it. How would USA woman feel if I ask them," How much for ST?"

Samus Aran

Domino

06-26-04, 05:24

SA: I thought your tastes, like your skin, would be on the thicker side. Spidey's tip of 100 bt pizza could have been helpful as the four of us could have gone there, me, Mr Hotshot, paying for all four (500bt, tip included), then back to my master bedroom for a 3F (or 4F?) romp. Gee, I could even live with being discarded afterwards: I have done this on many occasions in the past for married couples needing some extra firepower in their boudoirs. Seems it is not to be and that it will only be myself and Juice Spike staring disconsolingly into our coffees as a dozen or so cut price throw away skanks surround us and cater for our baser needs:(

As regards the physical specs, I meet most of them, though a slight paunch has recently appeared. I have to say, on this latter point, I would prefer the Vitamin V freaks to the body builder types one sees lolling around Soi Suk late at night. Those guys remind me of female athletes from the former GDR. Not a pretty sight.

I also think you are a trifle hard on the lard brigade. There are worse things than excess physical baggage.

Samus Aran

06-27-04, 12:59

Fellas,

A recent story in the Bangkok Post is another example of why you should have nothing to do with these Thai girls other than exploiting their orifices. That means no GFE, no nothing. Do not establish a relationship of any kind. Do not live with them , do not get phone. numbers.

The article is about some 25yr old female diving instructor who was killed in Pattaya. Her boyfriend from some european country said he has no idea what happened. He was out drinikng. He was questioned and told the authorities they had been fighting cause he thought she was screwing around on him. (SAs guess is that she was) Nobody was arrested but SA has his suspicions.

See Fellas, thses girls play with your mind. You do stupid things when you get all involved with some exotic hooker. Why get so worked up over some ho who you have only known for less than a day? Why take them on trips and shopping sprees? Pattaya is a rough crowc filled with stupid sexers. SA knows that the majority of sexers here know the game. SA just wanted to bring this article to your attention.

Forget the info from guys in here who say you should get to know these bottom dwellers. Dominos post is right on. You guys are sexing with the bottom feeders of Thai society, so there is no need to brag about it!

The PHoto Section which should have a disclaimer on it" Beware of the Dogs" before you enter is filled with photos of the ugliest thai girls possible. There arent any cute girls to be photod.

Finally, this sad discussion over university girls. Guys, SA doesnt care if you fuckng college chics or slaes girls or movie stars. The end result is always the same: You are paying for a cumshot. Nothing more. So this idea of trying to fuck a college ho and paying her top $ is kind of silly and stupid. Come to Thailand to release your seed and be done with it. Move on. Let it go! Hanging on is rather stupid. Throw away the photos.

Samus Aran

Spidey

06-28-04, 01:46

This woman that was killled was not a ho, right? She was a professional woman. She just happened to be fooling around.

Yes, SA I agred with you. Why bring greif, when it is not necessary.

I disagree with you, that all the Thais are no good, or are ho's. I am sure among 10Mil in Bangkok, there are some good women out there. But a Ho is a Ho! I think once you start selling your body, your morals go out the door. They must feel that everytime you sleep with them, that is a charge, or worth so much. I know this happened to a guy in the States with a Vietnamese girl, and this girl with really innocent type, until her mother started to fill her mind with these thoughts.

I have some nice Thai Ladies friends, who is marriage material, but who am I to say. I really don't know them long enough to make a perfect judgement. I am not naive, guillable, or ignorant about the scams, or what girls do in SE Asia. And Yes, given a chance, they will take a foot.

Samus Aran

06-28-04, 15:21

Spidey,

Regardless if she was a ho or not, SA thinks you should keep your disatnce form even the most non ho girl you meet. The cultural differences are so far beyond any of us would want to deal with. So, yes, treat all of these girls as hos. Take SA's advice and just come to Thailand for fun and 3f sex. Even the non hos are dangerous and conniving. Just come to Thailand to get laid and dont get involved.

SA has to disagree with a poster in the pjoyo section. He says that even the ugliest thai girl is better than any US woman! wow! You guys just handling the USA women wrong. But this isnt the place for that discussion. The ncie USA women are classier and definately better in bed than any thai ho.

That photo section is real nasty place. SA advises everybody to stay out of that place. If you must venture in do it on an empty stomach or you might leave your rib chucks on the keyboard. Nasty, nasty shit there.

Samus Aran

Giotto

06-28-04, 19:42

SA,

You are the dream of my sleepless nights.

Though you posted some pages below that ALL women are *****s, you now confirm the existance of "non ho girls". Somehow difficult to understand, don't you think?

But 3F could be an explanation, if we assume a permanent loss of brain cells when practicing the 3F philosophy - that could explain a kind of memory loss! You could volunteer as a prove, from a scientific point of view, to confirm the thesis. Don't worry about the antithesis, easy to find someone with a bit more brain for the necessary scientific confirmation.

On the other hand - there is a chance, that if you go through a professional brain check one of Dominos pizzas could be found.

Giotto

Samus Aran

06-28-04, 23:12

Fellas,

SA is not going back into that foto section. Had enuff. Dunaiwala's picture of that skank ho put me right over the top. Thats enough for awhile. When SA wants to put nightmarish thoughts into his mind, that will be the place to visit.

How can you guys be fucking the ugliest hos in Thailand. Granted, the majority of the hos are downrite ugly, but come on, spend a few dollars more and upgrade to at leat a 6 out of 10. Rite now there isnt a girl in the foto section worthy of a 2!

Samus Aran

Spidey

06-29-04, 08:14

SA:

I know some of the locals that hang out at Nana Hotel in the lobby every night to see the action. A very interesting place, and a great view to look. Most or none of them have girlfriends. They are taking there sweet time. They are having fun just looking..They told me that they are not willing to pay the tourists prices no matter how fine they look. There is the right time, and day for these guys. They can wait. They have the time. Wonder why they don't have girlfriends (see below). I am suspecting most of them are the "don't have."

What I learn from some of them, they told me is that the girls are the same here as in the States, except it takes a little long. What he means it that either they are giving you a chance, or wait and see what is going to happen, like are you going to make it.

My theory is Asia is Asia, where money is king, and if you have it, you can have anything you want. There is no discrimination on this, whether it is age, looks, personality, or morals. You have it, you have it, you don't , you don't, that's that!!! If you don't have, you wll suffer more here than the States. Cash is king! Understand this, guy!

This is a man's country, whether the women like it on not!

JuiceSpike

06-29-04, 13:18

Samus,

Good to see you back posting the same old shit: required reading for some newbies.

See you soon.

juice

Samus Aran

06-29-04, 14:18

Fellas:

By the way, that non pro (I mean that lightly) Thai girl was murdered by her dutch boyfriend! The police arrested him yesterday. She was a scuba unstructor in Phuket and the man was suspicious that she was humping around for $. My guess is that she was. 24 year old guy. Stabbed her 60 times! See what getting involved with these humpers can do to you? Going to jail over some brown skinned hump machine. So sad. Obviously he didnt read the forum to get advice from SA. 2 lives wasted. Let this be a lesson to you love sick members out there. Fuck these hos and move on. They aint worth it getting to know. Not even there names!

Samus Aran

The Traveler

06-29-04, 19:22

SA

so all female thais, no matter what they work and regardless of their background, attitude, income or whatsoever are nothing else than objects which orifices should be filled with our semen. American women instead are top notch and the "creme de la creme".
But what about a thai girl living in the US ?

If that's your perspective I wonder even more why you choosed to live in LOS and left your home in the USA. Oh sorry, yes I forgot, it was due to the thai food :). Our poor SA couldn't afford to dine at a thai restaurant in the USA or there were no thai restaurants where he used to live. Why didn't you move to LA or NY to live with those great performing and stylish US women rather than living with those uneducated worthless people surrounding you right now.

Finally I understand why someone as old as you is still addicted to video games made for small kids. There is no one around you for a decent discussion or just a nice small talk. You must be a very lonely guy living there with no friends at all. No man from the US with any pride should dare to make friend with those worthless subjects who are just there to get fucked as fast as possible. Any human feeling towards them would devaluate yourself.

I also guess that thai men are out of discussion or could they function as a substitute/surrogate for you ?

Do you have any thai friends ? If not maybe because they avoid to waste their time with someone like you, who got no idea what these people think about you and who doesn't know shit about the thai culture. It's easy to say that they are all the same, but how do you know ? Have you ever been with a thai girl that wasn't P4P ? I guess not, you obviously doesn't have the right attitude for it and lack of the necessary skills.

Dinghy

06-29-04, 21:02

TT - well, I am reminded of an old joke about a man who asks if a girl would sleep with him for a million dollars.

"oooo YES!"

"well how about $5"

"NO! What kind of a girl do you think I am!"

"well my dear we have established that, now we are merely haggling over PRICE."

I have heard that SA has Thai friends, just not Thai working girl friends. (3F and all that)

The Traveler

06-29-04, 21:07

Dinghy

"well my dear we have established that, now we are merely haggling over PRICE."

LOL.

If SA really has thai friends, are any of them female ? Due to his posts all female thais are hos, one way or the other, not even worth to get their names. If that would be true SA would be a liar. Damn, I always believed that his posts came straight from his heart and are full of truth and deeper wisdom. That would really destroy my dreams :(

Samus Aran

06-29-04, 23:27

Traveller,

You take this shit way to seriously my friend. Time tha you look at yourself and reevaluate your position here in the SA section. When will you loosen up and get with the program? SA knows, it is your nationality.

Yea, treat all women cautiously is the point. Just liek when you get approcahed by somebody to buy something, you should be cautious and think it out. Just because the new thing being presented has some tits and curves and a pea sized brained deosnt mean you have to jump right in and get all comfy.

Some of you guys take sex with sex workers way to deep. This is just a paid cumshot with a girl who lifts her legs for $$. They care about u much less than you think they do. Thus, why not play the same game. Keeps you moving and uninvolved. And yes, Thailand is home to meaningless, dettached sex. Thats all tehre is to it.

By the way travellr, SA is going home for a few weeks and will go eat some thai food. New York and LA arent the only 2 cities in the USA that have great looking women. Its abig country.

Samus Aran

Dinghy

06-30-04, 03:59

well... what has SA said that doesn't amount to "have your fun and leave (or kick her out). Don't make promises. don't send money. don't fall in love"

pretty good advice from my knothole.

Joe Zop

06-30-04, 05:20

Hmm, SA, in the light of your recent post, I've been forced to recall your posts about American women during your last trip home -- I don't recall the reviews being quite so glowing, somehow, so I have to suspect your perspective has been skewed by your recent encounters with a single specimen who is out of her natural habitat. A post glowing with praise and advice about how to properly treat classy American women? Most mongers here would probably suggest it's time for a visit home, and a reality check!

The Traveler

07-01-04, 22:54

sa

i don't take this shit too serious, but i don't like the way you talk about other humans.

history should have taught us that talking bad about others , objecting them, repeating and supporting prejudices often leads to an according treatment. just remember how europeans were talking about the inhabitants of their colonies and members of the klu klux clan are talking about black people. or have a look at the genocides in africa for example.

for me it doesn't matter where anyone comes from, what he/she works as, if he/she is rich or poor or whatever. we are all the same, just a few of us had more luck than the others, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are better than those with less luck. thank god, allah, buddha or whoever that you were born under much happier circumstances than those you like to flame. think what you would do if you would be at their place.

selling yourself is already hard enough. trying to make the best out of it doesn't mean to be bad and worthless (remember your comparison with used kleenex and condoms). at the age of 19 these girls have seen far more than many of us will see in their whole life. what do you think how often they had been cheaten by a tourist or expat or maybe even had been raped by some asshole(s) ? they just adapt and try to survive. you often pointed out that it is a business transaction. why not act and talk like a business man then ?

your way to talk about others violates my personal values and as long as you or others go on with it i will oppose them. i was raised to believe that everyone is equal and to stick to my values. i was also taught to stand up against all those who violate those values and to defend the ones who can't speak for themselve.

you should try to remember the constitution of your homecountry and do not just pick out the first amendment (which does not cover your way of speech). there are better ways to express yourself and you should choose your words more wisely. i am well aware that you often hyperbolize but you exaggerate it far too often.

btw, it has absolutely nothing to do with my nationality. many members of this forum - some i have met, others just pmed me - do not like your way of talking and some of them come from the us, just like you.

regarding thai food : do you remember that you once used it as your excuse when i asked you why you choosed to stay in los when you were flaming others to just been there for pussy. :)

sad to see that you did not understand that pointing at la and ny was an example for "from east to west" or "the whole country". hope you did not expect me to name all towns and villages where cute american women could be found. or do you need a travel guide ?

i also haven't decided if i should laugh about you or feel sorry for you. your statement a few posts below that you got this section because you are cool shows that you got no idea what is going on.

1Ball

07-02-04, 00:11

TT.

WELL SAID.

you make some excellent points.

Bill

07-02-04, 00:23

Samus,

Don't you just despise hypocrites? They are found almost everywhere.

First they suck up to you and try to buddy buddy. Then they knife you in the back as soon as you turn around.

Some of these wimps may remember a good message they read somewhere and then repeat it as if it were their own.

On the other hand their actions are the exact opposite. They are only fooling themselves in the long run.

Its like a convicted child molester preaching to others not to hang around playgrounds.

Only the mentally retarded will listen and believe.

Very pitiful, sick and sad.

Hi,

This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.

I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.

I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.

Thanks,

Jackson

Firedick

07-02-04, 01:15

TT,

While I agree with 1ball, that you make some good points, I feel you take S.A. at face value too often. His message is a valuable one, if a bit overstated, for the "newbies". Plus, I think he likes to push our buttons. I can't believe that he feels the Thais are sub human or "human Tupperware". He's just making his point as strongly as he can.

S.A.

I've been outta town, hence to slow response. "Beware of dogs" for the photo section. Too fuck'n funny ! LOL.

I also agree with your take on the public display of affection. Truly makes us look like idiots to the Thais.

IMHO

FD

Giotto

07-02-04, 02:45

The Traveler,

Excellent post. Exactly what I think, too.

I cannot see any sense in posting SAs nonsense again and again, as a kind of eye opener for newbies. I was a newbie when I read this thread first, and I only found it disgusting. Missing respect and understanding for those people, who were not as lucky as we are to be born in a western country, get some decent school and university education and having the chance to find good jobs for making our livings.

OK, they could work in department storesm factories and restaurants as many others, but then we also should think about the principle of "cause and effect" of the social developments imported by the tourism into Thailand.

Giotto

Old Thai Hand

07-02-04, 08:26

SA,

I have read this thread for awhile, but resisted until now remarking on your attitudes.

I'm not an appologist for Thais and find a lot that is wrong in this country. But, I take the time to actually understand where I live, the culture in which I live and the difference between types of people in that culture. You have failed miserably on all counts, to the point where I think you are a menace and danger to this country and to those Farang, like myself who work here with Thais and try our best to fit in, respect that it's THEIR country and it has value; in some cases far more value than anything in America.

If the Thai police ever found out who you were, you'd be on the next plane out. Your attitudes and more importantly the fact that you're spreadly this bilge over the internet would be enough cause for them to charge you with being a danger to public safety and security.

You don't know shit about Thailand, real Thai people and certainly nothing about Thai women.

If I ever am able to find out who you are, I'll report you to friends in the police department.

I'd have my bags packed, if I were you.

Giotto

07-02-04, 10:35

Bill,

Do you know what is really very pitiful, sick and sad? Yes, it is your last post in this thread.

Not only that you missed the train, because that game is really over already since a few days, your lack of ability to refrain from personal attacks, that's really sick and sad.

If you think that the way you write your post is special or even intelligent - sorry, it is more a kind of excrement in a written form from somebody who is obviously "mental retarded".

Giotto

Duniawala

07-02-04, 14:08

TT

Well said. What else can you say about a guy who prostitues himself (read old posts about his white skank) and then goes about preaching his philosophies (sic).

SA, sorry about making you going over the top with my pics. I just couldn't find to anyone uglier. Remember the old adage, the uglier they are, the more they aim to please.

Sorry about the delayed response, but was having too much of a good time in BKK and Pattaya the last couple of weeks to read this forum.

The Traveler

07-02-04, 18:38

Firedick

as I already pointed out, I am well aware that he hyperbolizes to make his point as clear as possible and likes to provoke. But in my opinion he goes too far. It's more than just "a bit overstated". Even if he doesn't feel that thais are "human Tupperware" I still believe that his posts show that he got a strange picture of women, especially thai women and that he never wasted a single thought about the "why" some girls have to sell themselves.

Especially newbies might take him by his word and may believe that each and every thai girl is a ho and as bad as he tells us. Just have a look at the photo section, Old Thai Hand only posted a few pics of thai students and many guys instantly believe they are available just like bar girls. Unbelievable.

I never said that his message isn't a valuable one. Reading the posts/reports in this forum I got the impression, that most of us go the 3F way (even without SA) and are well aware that there are a lot of scams out there. I too prefer the 3F but less extreme than he prays them and any other way to do the scene is also acceptable as long as both parts of the trade are happy with it. If a newbie asks a question which was already answered a hundred times, "RTFF" is the common answer. What do you think makes the 3Fs so valuable that SA should go on with his endless repetition of it ?

SA could send out the same message without talking about the girls being worthless objects. He could point to the dangers that are waiting for a newbie and tell them how to avoid those traps in a more civilized way. No need to downgrade the girls. If he really wants to help the newbies, why isn't he providing any valuable information (prices, places and so on) besides his stupid repetition of the 3Fs and respectless talking towards others.

His comments are racist and he should avoid them. It's also against the forum rules. Why do you think we have this section ?

Giotto

07-02-04, 20:12

Firedick, The Traveler,

Does it really matter whether SA hyperbolizes or not? Does it matter whether the writer is creating a virtual internet figure or not? Nobody can check that anyway. We have to take the posts the way they are written.

And - TT, do you really think, that SAs message is a valuable one?

SA obviously lives in Thailand, and he should have a minimum of respect for his self selected host country. To title all women in this country as *****s goes way to far. I don't see any reason which can justify his point of view.

If you both excuse his nonsense as "hyperbole" - well, up to you, but I don't want to join your choir. SA simply writes nonsense. He shows disrespect for his host country. That should simply be unacceptable for any decent person.

Giotto

Bill

07-02-04, 23:13

Samus,

Ha ha ha! It is so very funny to see who gets offended when one airs an opinion. Really very funny pitiful and sad. These wimps seem to think that I am directing my post to them. Well, "if the shoe fits, then wear it!" There is this one sensitive geek who takes things as a personal attack, and like the "hypocrite" I was generalizing about, proceeds to launch a personal attack on me.

Bwahahahaha! Just goes to reinforce my point exactly. There was this one CM who said your comments were "refreshing". And now he is attacking you. Is this a classic case of Hot and Cold, turnaroud psycho behaviour or what? Be careful as I see what is coming next: An invite for a few beers with mickey.

For all you lonely, lifeless, complaining pencil necks, (this applies only if the shoe fits) - just scroll to the next post or skip this thread altogether. Jackson is not twisting your arm to read it.

Firedick

07-03-04, 00:32

TT,

We have this section because the "Thai Women- Opinions and Advice" section was becoming one flame war after another, with the same old BS going back and forth.

I was not claiming that S.A.'s position is a harmless one. I was simply trying to alieve some tension pointing out that if you are letting his opinion bother you, you may be taking him too seriously.

Remember, I am seriously involved with a Thai girl here in L.A. If I took half of what he said to heart, I'd be pissed off all the time.

I read this section for the entertainment value. I guess I should go back to lurking.

If I offended, I got the first round next time.

FD

Terry Terrier

07-03-04, 02:13

OTH

Samus Aran's monotonous posts are a useful warning for Thailand p4sex newbies about being taken for a ride by the local hookers. He goes way too far in trying to get his message across, and I will always tend to disagree with him and others with similar views. But I will always defend their right on an international forum to debate such views.

Maybe, OTH, you have spent too long for your own good in Thailand, and have too many friends in the police department.

I find your threat to Samus Aran utterly repugnant OTH, and I am astonished that it even got past Jackson's moderating system.

The Traveler

07-03-04, 04:14

Firedick

I just tried to explain him what kind of impression he gives with his racists remarks and that he is by no means "cool" like he used to believe. If he really believes that downgrading others is cool, than he is just plain wrong. It's not entertaining too.

His way of making his point is contra productive. If he really wants to help newbies he should do that in a mature, realistic and objective way, giving valuable infos on where to go and how much to pay. But all he does is producing himself in front of others, only weak characters need to do that.

I guess it's rather useless to discuss SA's behaviour. He is either the asshole he wants to be or just provoking and hopefully acting and thinking differently.

At least, don't you think that we should never cross a certain border, no matter for what reason ever ?

The Traveler

07-03-04, 18:16

bill

as usual you fail to use your brain before posting. furthermore you should avoid to cite out of context. what i said was, that his nonsense is refreshing compared to the useless and stupid **** discussion. that doesn't lift the quality of his posts but shows that a few guys are able to get even lower than sa. does this shoe fit you ?

The Traveler

07-03-04, 18:21

Giotto

yes, I believe that his message is a valuable one : be careful and beware of the scams out there. But just like you I think there is no excuse whatsoever - hyperbolizing or not - for his disrespect towards others and especially his discriminating comments towards thai women.

I also think it is very boring to read the same message over and over again without any other valuable info in between. It seems that he has nothing more to say than 3F and I wonder why he seems to know nothing about the country he lives in.

Samus Aran

07-04-04, 00:04

Fellas:

Easy does it. Firstly, these Thai hos will alwys be objects to SA. SA has always said this in a kind way. SA doesnt hit, scratch or bite. SA has repeated that these girls need be treated in accordance with their profession. They are people who suck or fuck for money. They have no other earthly function for SA. This is their sole purpose.

This feeling is to keep everything safe and sound and without complications. Its just like the saying form the movie Spiderman, "Do what you need to do with her, then broom her!" Thats the game.

SA doesnt think they are bad people. No, they serve a useful perpose for some. The fact that SA doesnt use their services is fine. But, SA will alwyas warn any new guy about the dangers of having anything to do with a hooker other than giving her your manjuice. This attack by one or two members here is for their fun. Notice that SA doesnt get worked up over it unlike them. Most of you guys know that SA is just egging them on. Teasing if you will. Of course, most of SA's stuff is crap and you can choose to read it or skip it.

SA knows quite a bit about Thailand but this isnt a tourist forum.

Where has Posterlion gone? He doesnt posy much. Has he been runover by his new found thai ho girlfriend? Has she drained him of all of his cash? Has his dream of living in a one bedroon ant infested shit hole turned out to be the nightmare that the rest of us warned him about? See, his case is an example for all of us to watch. This exactly SA's point. Selling everythin. Dropping off the planet for a little bit of pussy and a cumshot across somebody elses stomach instead of your own. Learn from his mistake.

Samus Aran

Samus Aran

07-04-04, 00:15

Finally,

SA just reading in another section how you can read a whole novel about a german guy who comes to Thailand, falls for a thai bar ho, and the complications that follow.

SA's point is why do you need to read a whole novel when SA has been telling you excalty what will happen and the outcomes for free. SA should be selling his advice. It isnt any different from what the other posters in here are saying. You guys who go and read this crap are almost hoping this happens to you.

Love sick men.

Samus Aran

Giotto

07-04-04, 04:35

Bill,

I really liked some of your earlier posts because of the way you use the means of irony in your text. Those posts were written quite well.

But - if you now use your capabilities to indirectly launch attacks against others, and then hide behind a statement like "if the shoe fits..." - well, that is the behaviour of a coward. If you are not strong enough to position yourself clearly and stick with your argumention of your posts you should better refrain from posting anything.

Giotto

Old Thai Hand

07-04-04, 05:48

terry terrier

the threat, albeit a tad over the top, and perhaps repugnant, nevertheless is based in law.

actually, i decided it wasn't my place to do anything about this, locally. but, i am thinking of writing jackson about it. yes, this is an international board. but, people, especially americans seem to think it's an american board and therefore anything goes, first amendment and all that. but, even the first amendment has limitations, especially in terms of 'hate speech' which is my assessment of what sa writes.

sa is in thailand and therefore subject to thai law. what i stated was true. under the thai constitution, he is guilty of publishing information that could be construed as being a danger to "public safety and security" and a threat to "national security" as the thais perceive it. he promotes an attitude towards thai women that could be seen to pose a threat to their safety by foreigners. that is how the thai police would see it.

sa is a misogynist and dangerous. he may simply be talking with tongue firmly placed in his cheek to push people's buttons as some have suggested. but, many have and will take him at face value and act accordingly.

above all, the internet is subject to international law and is not the open forum that you and people in general mistakenly think. lots of people have been prosecuted for publishing material on the internet that's not any more disgusting that what sa puts out. just this week a thai teenager was prsecuted for posting naked pics of his girlfriend on the net without her permission. that's a native. imagine what they'd do to a foreigner in taksin's thailand.

if you want to argue law and freedom of speech on an international board with me, feel free. i'll run circles around you.

Terry Terrier

07-05-04, 09:51

oth

no, i'm not trying to argue law and freedom of speech with you. i just think your attitude sucks. big time. "i'll report you to friends in the thai police department." tosser!

Firedick

07-05-04, 09:52

OTH,

Well put.

I'm outta here.

FD

Thumbs Up

07-05-04, 11:49

OTH - Up until now I have been a fan of your posts. I think they have been informative, interesting, and well written. However, these threats to report people are DEFINITELY over the top IMO. Like Bill, I am surprised Jackson allowed it to appear on this board. This is serious stuff threatening to report others here.

Perhaps before posting such threats you should consider your own position. What do you think University officials (at your University) or Thai government officials would think of you if they knew you were having sex with some of your students or giving advise on this board on how best to find students to shag. Perhaps it would be you on the first plane out of Thailand (after some jail time).

I am neither a fan nor a critic of SA. I think the main point of his posts is a good one for most mongers. And that is to not get too involved with these girls. Just have sex with them and go home. I agree with that. I think much of the rest of what he says is just self-serving BS and I take it with a huge grain of salt.

JuiceSpike

07-05-04, 15:21

OTH,

"Misogynist?" I think in the context of this board a too big of a word to use in here. Also, Thai women do not need SA to get the negative perception or reputation they have around the world... Right or wrong, they have earned it long time ago.

BTW, the guy (not a teenager, he is 25 and works as a graphic designer for a web company) that posted pics of a nude Thai actress (not his girlfriend) on the pantip.com website turned himself in to help his case against defamation charges. He claimed he got the nude pics of her on forwarded email sent to him. It was her who went to the police to press charges for defamation and not the police looking at websites to see who is being naughty against Thai women.

Law works with cases based on facts. Most of the time.

Going to RCA to find a Thai woman to fuck tonight.

juice

Samus Aran

07-05-04, 15:40

OTH:

Whats the problem? You post fotos of college girls that you have nailed. Did you ask them if it was ok to post their pic? Even posted half body shots of a professor you did. SA does none of that. Never one pic except of himself in his video game. SA doesnt even pay these hookers any attention. SA just points out the facts and tries to give some advice. No different than you givingout advice on how to score a college chic. SA is a repetitive poster hammering on the same message and that is stay as unemotionally involved with these girls as possible. Most of the shit SA posts is crap and everybody knows excpet for a few like TT.

SA isnt giving Thai girls a bad rap. They have earned their reputation themselves. SA's point is to get the info out to newbies so they can enjoy Thailand without all of the hassles.

However, SA thinks if we have someone on the board here is going to start reporting posters then the whole image of this board will be ruined. If thats the case, remove from the WSG. And all other posters should beware. We have a tattletaler in here.

In fact, Mr Admin, please do it. SA is sad that some guys cant have any fun and have to take their sexing so seriously.

Samus Aran

Joe Zop

07-05-04, 16:53

OTH, I've also very much enjoyed your posts and general knowledge, and I'm definitely not intending this as any kind of flame, but I sense here more than a slight bit of the pot calling the kettle black. You noted in one of your posts that you needed to be careful, as Thai authorities were monitoring this site and checking IP addresses -- meaning you're well aware of what kind of reaction you think there would be to you posting the pictures of ordinary university students, many with faces in full view, on a board with this one's stated purpose, and in a picture section filled with nude pics of sex workers. Surely the implication and potential harm to someone's reputation by that is far greater than SA's stupid hyperbole.

You've also noted the high number of PMs you've gotten from people here wanting contact information -- obviously, your actions have provoked a very clear negative effect, and one that's not as speculative as that coming from SA's comic-book approach. I daresay that the harm caused by having a bunch of idiotic mongers decide to start harassing students for sex because now they think it's a viable possibility might well be a worse outcome than a few who decide it's ok to treat sex workers as disposable.

I've argued a very long time with SA over his language and approach, as it does give a misleading sense of what he's all about, and it's something I also find distasteful and counterproductive, but pointing out the potential pitfalls and threatening someone while crossing some of the same lines does seem disingenuous, at best.

Samus Aran

07-05-04, 17:00

Fellas,

This is SA's last post. SA has asked Jackson to remove me and this section from the WSG. OTH, you won. SA is leaving. SA has no hard feelings but really sorry that you cant have some fun. Everybody knows that my stuff was crap. SA hopes that Jackson deletes this whole section. SA dont need any problems and unfortunately this will really change the complexion of this website. Other members please be careful and aware of this situation.

OTH SA Just doesnt understand how you feel it is ok to post info on where to pick up Thai girls, college girls, and you feel that this ok. Of course, it isnt but this is the nature of this site. Sure SA is a bit over the top, sometimes too much, but it isnt any different than posting fotos of Thai girls performing oral sex on members then having them posted in the foto section. In fact, you have several fotos of thai girls and even a professor! It didnt seem to bother other members here. That is the nature of this website. SA has no hard fellings. In fact, SA feels that he has over stayed his welcome.

OTH no hard feelings. SA will move on.

Fellas, stay with the 3f method. Be careful what you post now.

Good Luck

Samus Aran - Out

Giotto

07-05-04, 19:24

Joe Zop, Thumbs Up,

I am quite surprised, that you obviously intelligent people like to reply to OTHs posts easier than to SAs BS.

So - I have to reconsider whether my impression about your brain capabilities is correct. The statements of OTH are generally correct, and he even considers himself to be on the wrong side of the Thai law, if he posts pictures from some girl in the photo section.

I would expect you to raise your voices if a mentally desturbed persons like SA calls all Thai women to be *****s. Did you ever think about how you would feel if somebody in your home country calls all the women there to be *****s?

JuiceSpike,

"Thai women do not need..." - really, SA level, congratulations, disgusting.

Ladies, it is one thing to enjoy life and be free to do whatever you want, because all of you have enough money to do that. It is another thing to treat women with respect.

I feel ashamed about all of you, who responded to OTHs post. I really could throw up.

Giotto

Old Thai Hand

07-05-04, 19:34

juicespike,

you're right about the thai 25 year old and the actress. but, that's a different story, than the one i mentioned. they both happened about the same time last week.

thumbs up,

i don't have sex with my own students. that would be unethical because it could be construed that i'm using my position to coerce students. i have sex with students from other universities where i don't teach. all are of age and consenting.

joe sop,

your comment about me damaging reputations is viable, i suppose and reminds me of a post in january by sex review of a picture of under-age high school girls in siam square. i objected to his pic, mostly because the girls were about 15 years old, but also because of the same issue as you raise. interestingly, i was flamed rather badly for objecting to this pic.

to all who have questioned my position on sa's remarks in light of my own posts etc.

i have already seen the other side of it (the pot calling the kettle black) and can accept that i could be viewed as being a hypocrite and committing some disservice myself to high-born thai students. i probably should have not shown the faces of the fully-clothed students in the first couple of posts. that was a mistake. however, i posted the nude pics with the women's permission and the faces were covered.

if you read my posts carefully, you will note that i have stressed time and again that students are not available for all and sundry to meet and "harass for sex". except for somewhat tongue-in-cheek negative comments in the advice on thai women section, i have always tried to stress positive things about thailand and thai women. unlike sa, i don't think i've put out any negative information that could lead to thai women being in any danger from mongers.

i still believe that what he says could be taken the wrong way and could lead to violence against thai women. although probably not related in any way, for those who don't know, two bgs have been murdered by foreigners in the last two weeks. an american drowned a bg in the toilet at pb hotel and a dutch guy murdered his bg girlfriend in pattaya. recently, the police found a thai woman's body floating in the water in pattaya. they suspect a foreigner, but aren't sure. these actions, albeit relatively isolated happened, i believe because of a general dismissive and abusive attitude towards thai bgs. despite what they do, they are still human beings and deserve better.

i stand by what i have said about the legality of sa's comments. am i in the same boat? technically, yes, at least in thailand. but, so is anyone else who posts pics on the thai board. but, people post pics with some pride and therefore positive attitude about the women they've encountered.

the difference with sa's continued barrage is simply that it is an on-going pervassive verbal assault on thai women and thai culture as a whole, which he clearly has absolutely no understanding of. he even states himself that he doesn't understand it at all. how can he live in a place that he cares so little about and obviously holds in such contempt?

appologist for comments sa makes stress their relative innocence and that no one could take them seriously. well, people who post denials of the holocaust in the media, which most would not take seriously are regularly prosecuted. i realize that this is a fairly extreme comparison. but, the reason that hate speech is regularly prosecuted, whatever it's content is because we know from history that from a few or even one man bad ideas can spread rapidly to the ignorant, uninformed and easily influenced and as a result, disastrous things can happen.

juicespike. your comment regarding thai women's reputation worldwide is not their fault and your assessment is overly simplistic. it sounds like a justification for doing anything you want to them. it's not as if they went looking for this kind of lifestyle and they're not the ones who've promoted it. bar-owners (mostly farang), the the foreign travel industry and most importantly sex tourists have fostered the reputation. all-in-all it's a very complex situation, well beyond the scope, understanding or interest of this board.

in any event, i agree that my threat was out-of-line, arising as it did from a disgust at what i had read. so, i decided to take a different tack. i reported this whole board based on the illegallity of the content (both here, in the us and internationally, by the way) to jackson as spam based on the definition of racist and hate messages. i doubt he will do anything. but, i've said my peace about it to everyone and decided he's the person who's the best one to decide whether it stays or goes.

coincidentally, the thai police shut down the whole thai board yesterday, for a time. my friends tell me that it isn't any one thing they object to, but simply the content of the whole thing.

Terry Terrier

07-06-04, 00:29

OTH

Go Away

You've caused enough trouble as it is.

Samus Aran

07-06-04, 00:45

OTH:

Peace. Apologies from SA. You said your bit and SA sees your point.

Actually OTH, SA thinks the whole scene in Thailand is a sad one and he has absoulutely nothing to do with it. SA has seen it all from friends being duped by a Thai girl and also friends duping the girls. SA just steers clear of it all and is uninvolved in it totally. Its just not SA's style. SA prefers swimming, yoga, staying in shape, and of course video games. SA is not an abuser of these women! Not worth his time. SA would never spend enuff time with any hooker to get to know her and have her cause emotional uproaors to make SA lash out. Rememeber, in SA's post it was strictly 30 minutes or less. Not one of these girls made a difference in SA's life other than physical release. These incidences of bar girls getting hurt are most likely from foreigners who treated these girls as girlfriends and became emotionally involved. SA's point was to always stir clear of this attachment.

SAs words are much bigger than his bite. Many of the posters who SA has met can attest to this. SA is full of self serving bullshit. SA will be the first to admit it. So yes, many people could interpret these posts wrong but no different then most of the other stuff here.

SA's posts about seeing grown farang men and young Thai women roaming the streets hand in hand shopping is something SA harps on all the time as out of place. Do these people understand Thai culture? It is something SA doesnt like to see. SA's points were always directed to the bar girls and not meant as a shot on Thai society. MAybe it was just the whole repetituon that got on people nerves. SA's comments were harsh, yes, but once again no different than fotos of naked thai girls in compromising positions. Maybe the posts were to direct for some. Posters here even mention the names of these girls and give out mobile numbers. SA's advice was to be careful albeit in a very derogatory and sometimes colorful and yet dark way.

However, SA thanks you for pointing out the dangers of a public forum and will certainly be more tasteful and use appropriate wording in future forums.

Samus Aran - Out

Joe Zop

07-06-04, 01:28

Giotto, you're rather new to this forum, so I shall simply refer you to the older archives -- I've replied to and criticized SA's posts for years. In fact I first posted on WSG in direct response to some of his far more hyperbolic comments (he was then posting under another now banned handle) and have had running battles with him about his language and approach over a very long period of time. Let's see, among the things I remember, he accused me of subscribing to Cosmo, wearing a dress, being a wimp, etc., etc.

Perhaps before you make judgements about people's cranial capacity you should fill a portion of your own with some of the things in the archives of this forum. Many of SA's posts have been excised by Jackson because of their inflammatory language, and he's been banned on a number of occasions, but by and large he's been a far more moderate voice since this section was created. I simply don't feel the need to post repetitive statements of damnation every time he says something silly, as I've got better things to do. But let's be very, very clear -- he's always stated that his comments are about sex workers, not all Thai women.

One thing, however, is for damn certain -- SA never threatened anyone in the slightest, and during the single evening I spent with him in Bangkok he was never anything less than charming, playful, and solicitous to the numerous Thai women we met. Do I disagree with his language on this board? -- yes I do, as I've made clear numerous times, but I also object to demonizing any poster on this forum. My objection to OTH's post was to the threat it contained, not the problem with SA's approach.

OTH, I appreciate your comments. Still, I simply don't see why your disclaimers about the availability of students, and statements from and about SA that he's being a hyperbolic cartoon character somehow don't get to carry the same weight. The bottom line is simply this -- people of all stripes read this forum, from the absolutely nice to the complete asshole, and they take all information and filter it into their belief systems, whatever those may be.

Here's the distinction I'd make about your posts (which I agee have basically always been respectful of Thai culture and people): SA's comments on Thai women, as he has always said, regardless of their degree of obnoxiousness, refer strictly to sex workers. People who read this board are doing so looking for sex, and sex workers are the usual destination. SA's posts do nothing to steer them in any other direction, need to be understood within the context of a person who primarily uses massage parlors, and indeed, his over-the-head 3F mantra clearly means that sex workers are the only viable targets. I have no disagreement whatsoever that his comments are unnecessarily disrespectful of sex workers -- I've said so myself repeatedly.

But your postings regarding students say at their core to mongers that they can also consider non sex worker Thai women as available sexual partners during their visits. (Anyone who posts on this forum, "of course, this only occurs if you're in my particular circumstances" is going to be believed by people who read this forum -- rightly or wrongly -- to pretty much the same degree as a guy who says women are crazy about him specifically because he's particularly handsome, charming, or well-endowed.)

As far as I'm concerned, that is a potentially far greater degree of disrespecting of Thai culture -- the idea that guys who come to LOS to pay for sex can basically consider broadening their approach to hit on ordinary Thai women, particularly those wearing school uniforms, at whim and with wallet. To me, treating ordinary women as through they're potentially available for dollars is far, far greater level of disrespect than is saying you should treat sex workers in a strictly businesslike fashion. Clearly, anyone who lacks the ability to understand your disclaimers lacks the ability to discern when they're being a cultural idiot, and if, as you contend, some people can't manage to read through SA's hyperbole, why should they be expected to understand or heed your disclaimers?

Now, if bar girl murders somehow flow from such comments as SA's then so do the deaths of farangs who "fall" off balconies or have fatal traffic accidents while in the company of their new ex-BG wives flow from the Thai perspective that non-family are not quite as important in the big scheme of things. How does one connect such dots into a clear figure? The disgusting truth of the matter is that men are violent toward women all across the world, and women can be after men strictly for their money, and these things are even more prevalent in the sex trade. Picking out a couple of examples from the newspaper proves nothing other than men and women often don't get along, and it's even tougher when you mix in cultural, age, and economic differences (and often high amounts of alcohol.)

Look, I dislike in general mysoginistic comments and to things that denigrate other cultures, and I've made tons of posts in this forum objecting to the same. By the same token, attacking SA's hyperbole by using personal threats or a hyperbolic comparison with the Holocaust does nothing but up the amperage.

I object to people being driven off this site even more than I object to whatever idiotic things they might do or have to say, because it's never all one way -- even people whose perspectives I think are wrong can post useful information, and SA's certainly done that on any number of occasions. The upshot here -- that SA has decided to quit posting as a direct result of your threat against him -- is a lousy outcome, and as someone who lives in LOS and deals with law you are well aware of the tenuous nature of being a farang there, and thereby the severe potential of your threat. I appreciate that you now agree that this was out-of-line, but that's not a terribly comforting admission after you've intimidated someone away, and when your response in admitting error is to simply aim the cannon in a different direction.

It will most certainly be necessary to consider your own reports very differently, as it appears now that underneath there is a ruthless true-believer character informing them. At least with SA that wasn't really true.

Thumbs Up

07-06-04, 02:22

OTH – I have no problem with you being critical of SA. In fact, some of the criticisms you make are right on the money IMO. My concern is with reporting or threatening to report people here to Thai officials. That is a very dangerous path to head down. Nor is it my intention to get into any pissing contests with anybody on this board. They are pointless and counter-productive. However, I think the main point that I was making in my prior post to you is still a valid one. And that is that if somebody were to report on you and your activities here (in retaliation) you would most likely be in serious trouble yourself.

I strongly suspect that Thai officials (university or government) would take an extremely dim view of your activities on this board. In fact, in my opinion, they would most likely come after you with a meat cleaver (figuratively speaking). I think the politics of it would force them to. So I think it would behoove you or anybody else on this board to refrain from threatening to report on others lest they or somebody else (not me) report on you. In others words, what goes around comes around. I think you better be prepared to face those circumstances yourself before you go down that dangerous road.

With regard to your claim that you are not having sex with any of YOUR students, I will grant you the benefit of the doubt as I am in not in any position to know otherwise. However, I suspect the distinction you make (not having sex with any of YOUR students) is not one that Thai officials are likely to find very convincing or of providing much in the way of extenuating circumstances in explaining your activities here if somebody were to report on you.

Giotto

07-06-04, 02:25

Joe Zop,

let's be very very clear: SA definitely stated as answer to a question in one of my posts, that all Thai women are *****s.

Now - we can all find parts of his posts to be "valuable", and we can accept his posts to be written as "warnings" for newbies. Or may be some people really consider this to be fun.

I am sorry, I cannot accept those mentioned reasons, if in the context of SAs posts the general message about all women to be *****s is repeated again and again. Though we talk about sex workers, we also talk about women / human beings.

I am OK with the outcome that he will not post any more.

I apologize for my comments regarding the brain capabilities of others posting in this threat. That could be considered to be a personal attack; this was out-of-line.

Giotto

Old Thai Hand

07-06-04, 04:16

Joe Zop

Well said. However I don't think I'm a "ruthless true-believer", but can understand why you might think so, given my threat and the content of my posts.

I am actually sorry to have caused SA to be afraid. It wasn't my place to do so and it's not really my style. I reacted emotionally to posts that I found disturbing. But, you're right that there are others posting even more unsettling ideas that SA does. I told him that after some thought that, I didn't want to be a contributor to the police-state mindset that is growing every day in Thailand and therefore wasn't about to become an informer. I also have told SA that I too will probably not post anymore.

I misjudged the implications of my posts because I failed to take into account that there might be a certain element of less-than-intelligent readers who would only consider the basest of attitudes about what I posted, especially concerning regular Thai women. So, I agree in light of that, I am guilty too of leading people in the wrong direction.

It's only after reading the numerous PMs, that I got an idea of the kind of readership that views this board. By then, it was already too late for me to retract my posts.

Perhaps many of us, myself included take all of this far too seriously.

I'm leaving Thailand shortly and will therefore not be involved in this board anymore.

Bill

07-06-04, 10:10

samus,

wtf? are you going to let a few lonely pencil neck geeks change your attitude?

this pansy ass minority is a bunch of powerless broke diks in real life and seem to use forums as a way to make themselves heard, because their factual existence is pathetic, weak and sad.

they may feel offended by my words because they are paranoid and think everyone is talking to and about them. (don't fuking flatter yourselves)

the ones who should be truly ostracised and banned are those that have been proven blatant liars by those who have watched their two faced posts.

the ones that break the forum rules by posting pics of illegal and **** girls he has paid to fuk and later is forced to remove them and recant.

the ones that don't have the strength or stones to just scroll over and surpass the sub forum "samus aran in thailand".

the ones that feel drawn to your forum and constantly complain and cry and show their feminine side its sickening enough to make a real man hurl.

samus,

they just don't get it and feel hurt by your comments because you are talking about them. they need your help more than the average guy. the shoe fits them like cinderfukkingrella.

don't let a few hoooker asss-sukkers change your attitude.

tell us more about the 3f's!

tell us more about cheesy, dumpy tourists holding hands with skank sperm receptacles.

tell us more about "hump, pump, and dump"

you make this forum fun and entertaining!

don't let the meek inherit the earth!

The Traveler

07-06-04, 10:19

sa

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most of the shit sa posts is crap and everybody knows excpet for a few like tt.
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i have been saying for ages that your posts are crap.:)
if you would have read my posts more carefully you would have seen that i have always divided into message and wording. like giotto and others i just do not like your way of speech. there is a line none of us should ever cross. in your last few posts you showed us that your capabilites reach far beyond the shit you have posted so far (at least the wording was much better, not necessarily the contents). why haven't you posted in the same way in the past ?

The Traveler

07-06-04, 10:25

OTH

For me it was quite clear that you had been pissed by SA's bad language and that your post was caused by a bad mood. I never expected you to report SA to local authorities.

I just wonder why some people aren't able to get an impression about other peoples character and take you serious and on the other hand tell us not to take SA too serious.

Just my 2 cents

The Traveler

07-06-04, 10:36

Bill

as you are the watching eye and the posting counter in this forum I am just waiting for a comment from you directed towards SA that he posted again after his "last post".

Or are there any differences between certain members ?

Just curious.

1Ball

07-06-04, 11:34

What will SA's new handle be, and when will he grace us with his first post ?

Joe Zop

07-06-04, 12:32

C'mon, Giotto, SA stated in his answer to you that he considered all women who took money for sex to be hookers. That's far from an unusual position and you yourself later posted a message that made clear you understood that he makes a distinction between regular and working girls. Jeez.

OTH, points well taken, and thank you for the clarification. With close to 65,000 registered users unfortunately it only takes a small percentage being idiots to cause problems, and there have been any number of cases where this has proven out by taking field reports and misusing them. (I'm reminded of a post in the Windsor section where Warpig reported that someone who read this forum got physical with a sex worker because she didn't agree to provide a specific service a poster -- a long-time client -- had received.) Unlike Giotto, I find it unfortunate when anyone who participates in this forum leaves, yourself included. Letting the least common denominator become victorious is no real solution to adult discussion. Your information has certainly been valuable and I urge both you and SA to reconsider.

Domino

07-06-04, 13:57

Samus: I see you are still like a turd: attracting all the flies. I am in Soi Suk now and I have met your dear friend, Mr Juice Spike. He knows his pizzas. He tells me Thai women like to fuck. Not the ones I am meeting. I think any woman who has worked in a go go joint is a starfish. Last night's was able to do amazing cotortions with her body: put her leg behind her head and shit like that. They are like monkeys, not s much in looks but in the little tricks they can do. They also make good sperm recepticles.

Many of the, are so ugly there should be some kind of wanringsa about them. I have paid 1,500 bt long tim,re but have kicked most out after a few hours as 1. they sleep. 2. they are topougly to sleep with me. 3. we pay them to leave (as in, please leave, you are a pain to look at).

I am sataying at Nana along with all the sad old farts. Great ad for euthanasia that place. The wealking dead fucking the wwalking dead. Just shows what Viagra can do to you.

I am going to go visit the shit heap of Pattaya and then get some culture and cherap pussy in Isaan.
Pantip Plaza was not much good. Could not get Fahrenheit 911. Now I will go out and find some brown lady to pump for a few hours.

The best is working them up, squirting into them and watching them run to the toilet to get rid of the sperm. A guy has to have a hobby. Hope all is well with you.

The Traveler

07-06-04, 16:30

1ball

Domino's style just reminds me of someone :)

Giotto

07-06-04, 21:22

Joe Zop,

the threat is dead, but the following issues have to be clarified:

I posted the following question in this threat:
…
A married woman takes the salary of the husband and manages the living with that, a girlfriend takes money from the boyfriend for the time the relationship lasts, a mia noi takes the money from her sugar daddy, the pattaya bgirls take money from farangs for one vacation period, and the gogo/bar girls take money for one night, a massage girl for one hour...

And now - please tell me: Where is the border? Are all girlfriends hookers? Is the mia noi a hooker? Is it up to us to judge?
…

And SA answered:

...
And giotto, to answer your question, yes, they are all hookers. They take your cash, they a hooker!
...

Money is mentioned in nearly every part of my question. SAs answer can only be understood that he thinks that all [Thai] women are hookers.

Furthermore:

I never posted a message that made clear I understood that SA makes a distinction between regular and working girls. I still don't believe that he distinguishes.

Do you mix me up with somebody?

Giotto

The Traveler

07-06-04, 21:22

Bill

just saw your post below and still wonder why you still fail to understand what people say.
Any brain desease or did you have to much BSE infected meat ?

No one cares what SA said about tourists and their behaviour but we care about his racists comments regarding thai women.

SA at least showed us that he got the message and (hopefully) understood that his wording wasn't correct. Changing his attitude only proves that he is able to learn from mistakes and isn't as ignorant as you seem to be.

I also doubt that we are a minority (can't prove that) but I would like to know how do you know that you are talking for the vast majority ?

Won't comment on your stupid attacks but you just proved again that your attitude is even more worse than SA has ever been.
I searched the database and tried to find a single post of you with only the slightest info. Wasn't able to find any. Just one post several months ago in which you only repeated a handful of well known infos about Pattaya (maybe copied them from other posters ?). Every other post only consists of BS and mainly attacks on other forum members.

What is wrong with you ?
Didn't you learn how to discuss a matter in a mature way and provide facts and arguments instead of insulting others.
"YOU just don't get it and feel hurt by our comments because we are also talking about YOU and others like you."
This shoe fits you.

1Ball

07-06-04, 23:45

TT. several posters have commented that Domino is in fact Skinless reincarnated. Why do people get all high and mighty, tell Jackson to "terminate my membership immediately", to come back 20 minutes later under a different name... childish if you ask me.

Terry Terrier

07-07-04, 00:18

1ball

Another question that begs to be asked is: "Why was Domino fast-tracked to senior status?" . He has repeatedly broken the forum rules, and his 'trip reports' are tenuous to the guidelines to say the least. Calling in favours from old suppertime buddies? Maybe.

Geeeze, I've got to explain myself to everybody.

Domino was a former long-time Senior Member who had to abandon his former User Name. Thus when he was re-registered with the User Name "Domino", I of course placed him in the same Membership status has he had previouslt been.

Now guys, please stop second-guessing me. I just don't have the time to explain and justify every single one of the dozens of minor decisions I have to make every day running this Forum.

Regarding my inability to find the time to do any Senior Member upgrades, just trust me when I say that I understand that there a lot of over-due and much deserving upgrades to be made, but I'm focused right now on some major impending improvements to the Forum, so you'll just have to wait a little longer.

In additon, I'd like to remind everyone that the Forum is NOT the place to inquire about specific membership issues, which should instead be sent to me via a email.

Thanks,

Jackson

Domino

07-07-04, 05:32

Jackson, Samus: How goes it? I see we still haver a lot of siilly interference on this channel. Maybe nanny net is the answer.
Jackson: Juice and I spent about 42 seconds discussing other members and a lot longer praising you. You remind me of a James Bond villain: all skills. They should make a movie with you. I can get to play 007 as I have the right build and women love me and my equipment.

I can't say the same for the horses I am meeting in Bangkok. They are so dog shit ugly it is sad. I kicked one out last night (nice smile but no brain: just where are all these PhDs and Nobel prize winners the chumps get?). We agreed on 1000 or 1500 bt long time, I forget which. I bonked once (necrophilia is not all it is cracked up to be). As I lay there wondering exactly when to show her the door, she said 500 bt short time. Paid and out the door.

Today I sat down in the lobby of Nana to read the Bangkok Post about Marlon Brando who was as fat as most of the guys there. This female of the species starts annoying me with the five questions. 1000 bt short time. She then goes to 500 bt, and then to 600 bt. I go to my room, return, bring her and her beer ( 9.30 am) up to my room. We undress, she says 700 bt. I show her the door and spend nothing.

Then down to Beergarten. I watched the first of the dragons coming in. Not a pretty site.

Samus: I can see how living in the midlst of these creatures would be hard on the karma. The German music in Beergarten is ok and watching the dusky frauleins strut their less than perfect stuff can be a laugh.
Juice Spike: I have just read your Photo entry but I odn't want to look at the photo here with all the Lonely Planet crowd about. The zombie I fucked last night told me that her sister is married in Germany and another one in Sctoland. Who would want these people as in laws? The Aussie dowry story you recount is strange. But then this entire area is strange. It appears Samus is right: these women are just vulvar punch bags. The combination of stories never ends and never get less weirder. Go go girls and former go go girls seem to be a total waste. They hire them young straight from the rice paddy and burn them out.
The go gos are the price leaders. They get 600 bt or more for a fine, plus the lady costs and the chumps follow suit with the freelancers.

Jackson: if you are reading this: my favourite part of the forum is now the entry page. Juice Spike and I are amazed at your work rate. We agreed it was a thrill to pop into infrequently used pages (not this one) and find your blue notes. Man, I wish I knew what your diet was. Obviously not pizzas.

Flamers: Please keep on track. This is Samus Aran on Thailand. If you wish to complain about me or any of your betters, please do it in the Complaints section. Better still, just do it to each other.

I have bought an Osama Bin Laden face mask. I am going to get my future employees to wear it as I do the business on them. The photos will make an improvement to the low levels currently pertaining. The Muslims have the right idea. Make em cover up. Try to lift your game, boys:)

Old Thai Hand

07-07-04, 06:13

i'm generally not going to post anymore.

but, i thought it would be a very important service (take it as you will) to provide the following information in in light of my recent posts and new information that i just received.

i found out the extent of all of this last night when meeting for a beer with an investigator friend of mine who's with interpol (not to report anyone, btw, so relax!).

as has already been reported in the expat forum, the thai police have formed a 2000 man task force to root out pornography. the very visible and public raids on markets selling porno cds on monday is merely the opening salvo for pr purposes because it was easy to do. one of their main aims, though is to stop online porno related to thailand. this is why wsg was shut down on monday in conjunction with these raids. they also have shut down a variety of general asian porn sites featuring thai women in recent weeks as well as several thai web boards like thaisexclub and thaiamateur.

the thai forum on wsg is actually small potatoes in relation to what is going on with the thai boards. few, if any of the wsg forum members probably have any idea of what kinds of stuff is posted by thais about thais. in many cases it makes wsg look almost quaint. [report edited by admin] don't try to find it, btw, it's hidden and you have to know how to access it through other proxy boards. i stumbled on it by accident and was horrified that thais would be doing stuff like this.

in any event, because wsg is foreigners posting sex pics and info, it is a very high-profile and preferred target right now.

in taksin's thailand, the police hate the farang sex industry and want to appear at least, to be doing something about it. just look at the increased police presence on soi cowboy with arbitrary closings and [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) tests. the main reasons for this are of course, firstly because it's farang and therefore to blame for ruining thailand (in their minds) and secondly, that unlike the much, much larger thai sex industry, it's so very visible with girls out in the open in skimpy clothes. they hate cowboy in particular, now because it's right next to the flashy, new asoke subway station.

more to the point, the police are also stepping up their efforts to find and prosecute anyone that posts sex information about thailand. pic posts are for obvious reasons, their main concern. they have a team working on tracing ip addresses in the hopes of finding the computer and therefore the poster. they have busted several thai posters already, even those using internet cafes. the most recent were two cases, already mentioned that were in the news last week.

those of us who are residents in thailand are at great risk. obviously, those off-shore who post pics and info from their trips are safe. but, they still raise red flags to the police and put farang in thailand at risk.

trust me that this isn't paranoia. if you're here, just be careful what you write and the kind of pics you post, at least for now.

it may be temporary, as the cause of the moment. that often happens here. last year it was drugs. the thai police went nuts and 2000 people were killed, many having nothing to do with the drug trade. knee-jerk actions are the mainstay of the thai authorities in forming policy. however, the social order campaign that we all thought would die when they replaced the interior minister is alive and kicking and getting worse.

with what's happening in and around soi cowboy for instance, i'm of the opinion that they will eventually try to shut it down completely. they have slowly closed down the beer bars at the corner of asoke because they are developing the land behind the new subway station which backs onto soi cowboy. now that the subway is open, the value of that land has jumped and i've heard they want to revitalize the whole area.

editor's note: this report was edited in accordance with the wsg forum's zero tolerance policy prohibiting reports containing any references to any persons under the age of 18. please read the forum's posting guidelines for further information.

Joe Zop

07-07-04, 06:17

Giotto, I sent a response to you in PM -- but your quoted post simply sets up a silly semantic game and then tries to crow triumphantly that you've trapped SA within it. Let's see, SA can rightfully say they're all hookers (using very close to the dictionary definition of "prostitute") and you can cry "foul generalization", and thereby "prove" that the sad bar girl in your story shouldn't be so cruelly labeled because she's just a regular Thai woman who happens to accept bar fines to go with men. Yawn. I generally am sympathetic to your perspective that not all these women are always playing a part, but yawn anyway. It's a dumb game.

I repeat: this says SA considers all women who take money for sex to be hookers. That's far from an unusual position.

It most certainly does not say, as you claimed, that "SA definitely stated as answer to a question in one of my posts, that all Thai women are *****s." What it says is that's how you choose to interpret it.

And your post of June 28th makes very clear that you understand that SA makes a distinction between sex workers and "non-ho" Thai women. Whether you choose to accept that distinction, since you've already decided how he thinks based on your game, is a separate issue -- you've seen and acknowledged what he said.

But bottom line -- this is all an utter waste of time. As I said in PM, if you aspire to being upgraded, which you've said in the past is the case, then just post good reports and information and don't spend so much time worrying about how other posters think or believe.

Giotto

07-07-04, 07:24

joe zop,

i don't know where i tried to "crow triumphantly that i trapped sa", but due to your long lasting membership here you will know.

i tried to fill the threat with as much nonsense as i could to simply push sas statements in the background. may be it was wrong to do that, may be not - anyway nothing really changed, instead of sa domino is now posting on the same level.

basically i can agree with that you write:

"what it says is that's how you choose to interpret it."

you do the same thing, you just interpret it differently.

if you all prefer to go ahead like this, support those positions of treating women without respect, title posting members as "****s" etc. etc., then it is time for me to apologize, that i interfered in your games and i desturbed your playgrounds.

i will take your advice and post good reports, like all others here are doing it, about women to be seen only as *****s, and about pizzas. that's what this forum obviously is about.

giotto

Domino

07-07-04, 08:43

samus: i just had lunch with your old friend mr juice spike, who is full of praise for you and your female american friend. we had lunch in beergarten where a succession of thai frauleins came up and admired his penchant for 3 somes and his equipment which, they all seemed to agree, is quite impressive and puts most of us to shame. juice spike seems to like you: at least he does not come in here spouting all types of bs like so many others.

the women in beergarten are repulsive. i am going to leave bangkok tomorrow and try to find a woman with a good heart. i hear they are to be found in pattaya, korat and buriram. let us see. samus, if i do, i will invite you to the marriage and you can make a fine speech about waht a lucky man i am.

boys: please stop posting your bs here in the samus aran/3f section. if you have complaints about other members, post them in the relevant section. if you want your own section, write a letter to jackson. if you are serious about runnig the entire site, not just the ugly photos section, why not make jackson a financial offer? also, please stop advocating other sites as it is against the rules of the forum. maybe get someone to read them to you.

sukumvit is quiet right now. there is a good domino joint, with a domino sign, in soi 11. time to go. be good, boys.

JuiceSpike

07-07-04, 14:07

OTH,

Your approach was really fucked up. Bad move, scaring memebers and then bailling out yourself. Maybe you are a bluff. Maybe just a coward. This site, this section is just BS with a message for newbees. Relax.

Domino,

Have good luck trevelling and take it easy.

Samus,

I think you are rightly scared and hopefully someday you will come back in here despite the big scare you got. Take care.

juice

Domino

07-07-04, 14:32

Juice: Thank you for your concerns. This Korat chick gave ma a massage and 2 fucks, 1500 bt. The massage was good. She also offered me her 20 year old sister in marriage.

Samus: Hope all is well and good luck with your Yankee piece of ass. Look what I am stuck with:(

Domino

07-07-04, 14:35

Samas: Don't let these split personality assholes get you down. You broke no major law here. They even try to tell Jackson what to do. I earlier suggested to Jackson he should delete all the posts and start again. Just as you were winning converts, you give up. Same as my bearded lady who wins converts but gets it up the ass from

The Pizza ass man.

Anyway, hope you like the "man in the mask"

I got digits, a marirage proposal and a bit more. There are some youngish babes in the Nana lot right now but who needs over priced zombies when one can fuck someone who knows how to fuck,

This was a real GFE. Dog shit ugle, over priced but a good heart.

I am in a Soi Nana internet cafe now. There are two drunk young hookers in here. Yuck.

Old Thai Hand

07-07-04, 14:53

juicespike,

i'm neither a coward or a bluff. but, if you want to continue to flog a dead horse, go ahead. i have been flamed and taken to task, repeatedly and have responded. i've admitted that i crossed the line, i appologized and if i'm to take him at his word, samus and i in pms have made our peace with each other.

so, you relax!

i never intended to report anyone to the police. i was bsing like everyone else. i've seen bs on here that's just as lethal as mine. but, because sa seems to be a hero to some, you all came to his defense. i can't fault you for sticking up for a friend or even just someone you feel is being unjustly treated. that's admirable in any situation. but, i was mainly trying to shake things up to make people aware of the extreme carelessness of this and other threads at this particular time. in hindsight, it was a really dumb approach. sometimes, even the smartest people are incredibly stupid. i'm the first to admit when i fuck up. but, the underlying message, which i've articulated in a more rational way in my last post is still valid.

the thais are particularly sensitive right now about how they are perceived, whether you're talking about a hooker or a hi-so woman. therefore, some, including me, i hasten to add have not been acting in a very smart way on this forum.

we're not, contrary to popular belief in a free-speech democracy here. this is a growing police state (i could be talking about the us, too, btw). so, wise up.

but, if you all want to continue to go at me, feel free. but, i won't respond. as terry terrier said, "oth go away. you've caused enough trouble." ok, i will.

The Traveler

07-07-04, 18:15

Guys

am I the only one who understood OTH ? Couldn't anybody else sense that he wasn't serious ? Does nobody read between the lines and see his post in connection with his other posts he made in the past ?

Anyway, why those double standards ? Taking OTH very very seriously and at the very same time defending SA by telling us not to take him serious. Strange.

Thumbs Up

07-07-04, 18:41

TT,

Perhaps if OTH had not taken SA so seriously to begin with this brawl might not have happened.

Joe Zop

07-07-04, 18:55

TT, a threat to report a farang to the Thai authorities for misbehavior is a threat with teeth, real or not. As OTH says, Thais are particularly sensitive right now about how they are perceived. Thaksin's approach is increasingly that of a police state, and farangs living there have always been there strictly on the good graces of the government, which has a history of changing policy whenever it pleases. The statement "If I ever am able to find out who you are, I'll report you to friends in the police department" was pretty darn explicit and direct, and any farang living there would be a fool not to have it raise disquiet. Even if you decide to take SA seriously, it really means nothing unless the reader is a complete neanderthal and a blind mysoginistic follower, whereas such a threat as this would have direct real-world consequences.

But enough already -- OTH has made clear where he stands, and he and Samus have made peace, so why keep going after all this?

By the way, I must say I find it extremely ironic that you, who have endured an enormous amount of criticism, are now spending the vast majority of your posts in this thread whacking at another poster. Surely there are more constructive approaches -- I recall your field reports and information happily, as opposed to the same kind of endless argument that was in the thread with your name.

Let's all just move on!

The Traveler

07-07-04, 21:41

joe zop

i agree that oth's statement was over the top and out of place. a threat like this should have no place here. but may i remind you that skinless and freeler were threatening me in the very same way and even worse without any uprising from you or anyone else.

i was wondering why oth acted that way. but i combined immediately that he was just in a bad mood. reading his other posts i got the impression that he is a mature and patient guy, who is able to handle criticism and has a mostly objective approach on things, just like you. therefore i deeply believe that he regretted his threat the very next day.

the discourse between sa and me is already going on for a very long time. as you might remember, i even defended sa and his 3fs in the beginning. he is living there and therefore has to do the scene in a different way. we all leave sooner or later but he stays, so it is a bit more complicated for him.

after a while he changed his wording and started to call thai girls names, compared them with used kleenex and condoms. from that point i opposed the character sa, not necessarily the person behind it. i always seperated between the real person, the character in the forum and his speech. i also always refrained from personal attacks towards him, just raised questions that were never answered by him.

if i would like to harm him i could have done that a very long time ago. he gave enough info about himself without intention when we met. easy to track him down. but those infos and infos send via pm or mail are absolutely confidental, no matter who or what. that's a matter of trust and no real man (except freeler) should misuse it.

for me it is totally unimportant if sa, domino, pauline hanson or anybody else issues racist comments. i will raise my voice against it. unfortunately his way of speech was accepted for too long by too many members who kept quiet. jackson had set up forum rules for some reason. he was tired of banning sa and seeing him coming back 5 minutes later with a different account. so he created this section to keep the other sections clean and not because he thought that sa is cool, like sa himself used to tell us.

i was raised to believe that there is a line that nobody should ever cross, under no circumstances. i was also raised to stand up against such kind of speech and shame on all those who accepted and excused it or those who finally gave up to oppose him. not to mention a few who enjoyed his way of speech and made the same mistake.

you argue that his way of speech means nothing unless the reader is a complete neanderthal. look around you, look at many farangs that visit the kingdom. some of them are complete idiots with a very bad attitude and calling them a neanderthal should be considered a compliment. i think you are well aware that a certain percentage of human mankind are total assholes and have very extreme views on other people. they insist on their given rights but revoke them from others.

you also argue (with domino) that sa were always "only" talking about prostitutes. does it make any difference to you if a girl is a prostitute or not ? is she less human then ? for me not, so his speech was inadequate.

if we accept such talk for what ever reason, we will get used to it after a while and i think that is a danger we can avoid very easily by stopping it from the beginning. otherwise we will be guilty too and responsible for the outcome.

Silly Puppy

07-08-04, 02:43

As Thailan is a cheap place for you ho fuckers to find holes for fucking, you guys are thinking of these women as 2nd rate/class people. I see no exception from OTH, TT, SA, or anyone else who are participating in this forum.

It is sad that Thailand becomes a country that anyone I come to talk to thinks of it is as ho country. It is because of folks like you guys who can't seem to get your load off on your local women. It is pathetic to see you guys giving us morale lectures while carrying your dicks around with a superior complex attitude. Stop being a hypocrite and just simply give us tips on how to find quality women cheap. Is it what this forum about?

My 2 cents :)

Joe Zop

07-08-04, 05:51

With all due respect, Traveler, I most certainly did object to the tactics used against you, and lost friends because of it. I dislike such tactics on all occasions.

You take my comment about SA referring "only" to sex workers completely out of context -- shame on you! I did not support his language and never have; I was making a distinction to another poster who claimed SA was speaking of all Thai women.

(And for someone who prides himself on his perception, I'm surprised you didn't understand that SA's tongue was firmly in cheek when he said he was in this section because he was cool. He clearly knew he was in jail.)

The "discussion" between you and SA has indeed been going on for a long time, but it's been rather one-sided for quite a while, as it's mainly you whacking at him in such a way that it's your statements rather than his which seem repetitious and him occasionally referring obliquely to you.

I repeat my statement that this has a highly ironic quality given your past travails, especially when you start tossing out grand statements about lines which should not be crossed. I guess you're interested in letting everyone know you've got the moral high ground on this one.

But it's still boring and pointless, regardless, because nothing new is being said, and it is simply another example of posters bashing other posters as opposed to sharing information.

Meaty

07-08-04, 06:11

Well we appear to have noticed we are all different and we all do things differently.

SA has his way, others have variations, TT has his way and again others have variations.

The girls in the P4P scene are all ho's and the ideal way to treat them is 3F, bear in mind that 3F doesn't have to mean being rude, nasty or derrogetory, it simply means don't get tangled in their web, anything else is fantasy land, each to their own, but don't paint pretty pictures of them. Every girl from P4P lies to you from the minute she see's you, NO EXCEPTION, unless she tells you that she is prepared to fuck even the ugliest of guys, just for money and fake orgasms all night to make them feel good.

Come here for 2-3 weeks 3-4 times a year with pockets full of cash, looking for your next pussy fix and yep, Thailand is wonderful, the girls are so sweet and nice and you feel like your 18 again. Actually spend a couple of years living here, experiencing a lot more that just the P4P scene and you will see it is all a service of lies and deceipt, because thats what you want, and thats what you pay for.

Question, Do you think your Thai ho would prefer to get her 1000B LT money early and go home at 3am, or do you think she really wants to lay next to you all night because she really likes you ?

These girls treat us like wankers, they disrespect us at every given chance, they make very rude comments in their native tongue about us, not that i'm saying they shouldn't, but don't believe their crap.

Enjoy the P4P scene in Thailand, but don't forget what it really is, and don't kid yourself painting pretty pictures about it.

Just my tuppence worth.

Freeler

07-08-04, 15:31

Meaty,

"Question, Do you think your Thai ho would prefer to get her 1000B LT money early and go home at 3am, or do you think she really wants to lay next to you all night because she really likes you ?"

My B500 a night GFs(!:)) want to stay with me because they like me and want to charge their phones.
Sometimes I except them because I may wake up during the night and feel like fucking.
Sometimes I say 'time's up' after a solid bonk because I want to sleep. Or go out and get another one.
It's all so damned unimportant - as long as you don't make a habbit of paying them B1000!

Joe Zop,

I had to :) when I came to the 'start tossing out grand statements' bit...

The Traveler

07-08-04, 23:19

joe zop

i never said that you supported his way of speech and i am well aware that you have been one of the first who had an argument with sa about his wording.

i reread your post in question and got to say that i've mistaken you or just remembered it the wrong way. sorry, my fault.

talking about moral, i still believe that there is a huge difference between doing something by intend or not.

regarding sa's "coolness". i was in doubt if he really got it. oth was honest, so it was easier to get a picture of him. sa wasn't and even though i believe that he isn't stupid and not the asshole he wants to play here, i sometimes have my doubts.

i agree, it's getting boring and pointless, nothing new.

Joe Zop

07-09-04, 03:23

"talking about moral, i still believe that there is a huge difference between doing something by intend or not."

while there may be some truth to that, it is also true that someone going twice as fast as the speed limit, whether or not they intend to hit someone crossing the road, still does damage and still bears some culpability. careless or drunk driving does not somehow make dead pedestrians disappear simply because there was no intent to cause harm. crossing a line is still crossing a line, whether intentional or not, and while lack of intent may mitigate it does not completely excuse. the bottom line moral question is always why one was in the situation in the first place.

The Traveler

07-09-04, 06:29

joe zop

correct, but i wasn't careless, drunk or speeding. the pedestrians where jumping in front of my car.

i made the mistake to tell others that there are pedestrians in a certain street which are ignoring the rules and that it would be wiser to avoid this street and choose another way. this proves that i was aware of the problem and did not just keep silent like so many others, ignoring it. i see nothing wrong in issuing warnings. i hope you do not try to imply that i told those pedestrians to behave like that.

we all know, that even if we drive slowly, carefully and respect all traffic signs, we are still in danger to be involved in an accident. especially if a few pedestrians ignore the rules and cross the street during red traffic lights.

i found it extremely sad that freeler, who played the policemen, wasn't able or willing to tell us how to avoid such an accident. just driving carefully obviously isn't enough. maybe closing his eyes to the truth gives him peace of mind, knowing that he was already involved in a few accidents like that. or maybe he just enjoys in bashing. if he would really care about those "victims" he would share his wisdom. he didn't, what does it tell us ?

the huge difference between sa and me is, that i was careful but had an accident and was honest enough to admit it, sharing it so others are able to avoid it. sa instead ignored all warnings, stop signs, red traffic lights and kept speeding up in a pedestrian zone.

Domino

07-09-04, 06:39

Freeler" My B500 a night GFs(!) want to stay with me because they like me and want to charge their phones."

That is what these hot shots are: a means for hookers to recharge their phones, No wonder they fear real women.

Now i am off to the park. But I must say mobile phones, along with any woman who has ever had anything to do with go go dancing is a knockout crtierion for me. I am fussy;) Isaan women cost less and are worth more. Easy to figutre out if they try.

Joe Zop

07-09-04, 11:50

Traveler, here is where we disagree. Just because pedestrians were in the street does not mean they jumped in front of your car. They were walking where they always walked. Many of us have moved in the exact same streets and not ended up in that situation -- and especially not on multiple occasions. You've admitted in the past that you probably weren't paying close enough attention, but you still seem content to exclusively blame others and not at all to question your own actions.

This has nothing to do with Freeler. It has to do with accepting at least some degree of personal responsibility, which why I find you pounding on SA so ironic -- you demand he do what you are adamantly unwilling to do yourself, talking grandly about lines that should not be crossed while holding yourself completely blameless for crossing a line yourself. In fact, you deflect blame to everyone but yourself, trying to make the issue about Freeler or the bar girls involved as opposed to about yourself on any level. I agreed in the past that there was a viable topic for discussion there in terms of how mongers can avoid making such mistakes, (Jackson has decreed otherwise because it became clear this was not an issue that could be discussed rationally) but let's be quite clear here -- you are most certainly not someone who has the right to put on an unblemished victim's shirt.

At least SA has been man enough to admit to making mistakes and doesn't go around blaming the victim for forcing him to make those mistakes. Your approach is basically to hit pedestrians, scream loudly about dents in your car, and blame the mechanic for not wanting to fix them for free. Some moral high ground, that -- if you're not willing to deal with that, how can you expect your pronouncements here to ring anything but hollow?

PosterLion

07-09-04, 15:27

I DON'T THINK I'll ROLL OVER AND DIE BECAUSE SA IS LEAVING

After all Samus, you did call my girlfriend a Thai Ho in your July 3rd post.

On the other hand I'll never forget your endless comments about the 3F method and I actually do believe that this attitude and the preaching of this attitude can be helpful for any man that let's the little brain rule over the larger one. However, it might not be so valuable so to have an entire section dedicated to the topic. I believe the law of supply and demand is simply working as it should. There is no need to see the same posts over and over in constant repitition. After all, we already have that in the endless revolution of the planets.

However, I do think of you everytime I see a farang walking hand in hand with what looks to be a prostitute. Keep in mind I say "what looks to be a prostitute", it's not for me to judge, but I do ponder the subject on an almost daily basis merely becuase I have been there and done that before.

Samus, you should reconsider your thinking about the 3F method as there is a time and a place for eveything and sometimes the 3F method is not a good idea. It limits your horizons. If you truly practice the 3f method all the time then you will not have the opportunity to meet a women that should not be classified as a Ho. That's your loss not mine.

However, I hold no grudges. I am even working on a story in your honor that involves the use of the 3F method. My delimma is where to post it now that your section is falling by the wayside.

Thanks for your eloquent (and sometimes banal) posts.

poster...

The Traveler

07-09-04, 19:50

Joe Zop

I never blamed the "victim" for "forcing" me. Just said they have their part and took my part of personal responsibility by admitting from the beginning that I should have been more careful, even though I do not know how to avoid situations like these. At this point Freeler comes in. He claims to have the ultimate solution to that problem but is not able or willing to share his wisdom.

You also say that many of us have moved in the exact same streets and not ended up in that situation -- and especially not on multiple occasions. That might be true for some, but probably not for the vast majority. Not knowing or ignoring what is going on doesn't mean to be less responsible. How many of us picked up 18-20yr old girls without knowing - for what reason ever - that they were younger ?
As long as we are willing to pick girls in ths age range we are in danger.

Maybe you are right, only the absolute innocent should cast stones, but who of us is ?
Same counts for Freeler and our new friend Domino.

So the conclusion of your point of view is, that nobody can ever raise his voice because nobody is without guilt.
What a world would that be ?

Does it make any difference who raises his voice if there is anything wrong ?
Is the one who is being blamed less responsible just because the one who blames him is responsible as well ?

The Traveler

07-09-04, 20:29

Domino

if our arguments are not worth replying, why do you reply then ? Indirect, but a reply.

Maybe I skipped that post, but I am not aware of any poster in this section who said that Freeler isn't entitled to his opinion just because he is Dutch and shit had happened there. Or are we talking about different forums ?

You should have more pizzas and less beer, the result would be - besides a fat belly - less typos and a clearer mind.

The Traveler

07-09-04, 21:22

Freeler

******* and again prefers flaming over sharing his endless wisdom

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***** is misplaced on a board where grown-ups talk about having sex with grown-ups.
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Am I blind, where did you say anything about that ?

Joe Zop

07-09-04, 21:25

"that might be true for some, but probably not for the vast majority."

that's specious baloney. you are seriously asserting that the vast majority of mongers have gone with ****d sex workers? that's precisely another example of what i meant when i said you constantly attempt to pawn part of your culpability off on others.

by the law of almost any country, the burden is not on the person who's ****d -- it's on the adult. "their part" simply doesn't matter. attempts to shift any portion of blame to a non-adult are irrelevant, as they are not considered to have the full ability to understand such choices and lack legal standing to make them. can you name me a single country in which a legally valid defense for bedding a juvenile is that they sported a fake id?

it's good to see you admit you share some degree of responsibility, but your approach is ultimately to throw up your hands and say, well, gee, i'll try to be more careful, but we all know it's basically an impossible situation, so you really can't blame me if another of those darn kids fools me!

so here's a not-too-difficult solution to avoiding the problem for you: don't pick up 18 to 20-year-olds if you're having trouble making actual age distinctions, which by your history you clearly are. go for someone around thirty or even older and be safe. go for someone who's not wearing a school uniform of any kind. how tough is that? there, a simple answer to your unanswerable query -- now you can let freeler off the hook!

the conclusion of my point of view isn't that no one should throw stones; it's that those who live in glass houses should be a bit less strident and self-righteous about doing so.

or better still, as i said from the beginning, how about keeping the damn stones on the ground altogether and sticking to the purpose of this forum, which is providing info so consenting adults of opposite sexes can hook up?

The Traveler

07-09-04, 22:01

joe zop

i am quite certain that many of us had been with an ****d. there are so many 16-17yr old girls in the biz and do you really try to tell me that i was the first and only one ? c'mon, back to reality, please.
btw, none of them were wearing a school uniform of any kind.

i know that "their part" won't be a legal valid defense anywhere but to say that they are not considered to have the full ability to understand such choices and lack legal standing to make them is a very idealistic approach. they absolutely know what they do and the thai law also acknowledges their legal standing to make such a choice cause it is up to the girl to file against the adult partner. there is no automatism (if the girl is 15 or older) and the authorities won't be after you even if the girl was raped. anyway, to have agreed sex with a 17yr old girl isn't against the thai law and most european countries law. don't get me wrong, i don't say it is ok, it's just not against the law.

we can held up a lengthy discussion if a freelancer, bar or go go girl is working in a place for prostition or if my hotel room is such a place that fulfills the technical terms of a place for prostition of §1 section 8 of the prostitution prevention and suppression act. but as far as i understood, it targets mps and places like these, so even to thai law i won't be punished cause the girl had been 17 and therefore older than the mentioned age of 15 which is the limit where it doesn't matter under which circumstances sexual intercourse was commited.

your solution of only taking women age 30 and older will obviously work, but even freeler - with all his wisdom - is willing to target girls age 20. just wonder how he ensured that they did not fool him.

i still believe that the only difference between me and others - the ones included who pounded on me - is, that i admitted that mistake and pointed out to that problem to help others to avoid it.

at least i agree that this issue is worn out and that we should go back to daily business. have a look at the pic section, all of legal age.

Bill

07-09-04, 23:29

Joe Z,

I can't believe you are falling in to ************'s trap. He loves carrying on a long dialogue with anyone who will listen. But argueing with him is like trying to tell a snail to crawl on someone else's wall. Prison's are full of "innocent" people. I do commend you for taking a somewhat bland opinionated stance on recognizing his duality and consistent attempts at changing his story. I see the technique that ************ uses to get his point across, as similiar to an adult trying to get a child to see things his way.

Some people say Samus was repetitive.

Would anyone believe me or think I am a total azzhole if I repetitively said

1. I pick up department store girls and most of the time do not pay because I speak fluent thai.

2. I know the daughters of Thai councilmen, 4 star generals, high up politicians, embassy ambassador's, Police captains, real estate developers and monkey meat processors.

3. I have a chopper that the girls love and will fuk me free for a ride around the schoolyard

4. I have investments in the AMEX, NYSE and even have my GED

5. My hummer is getting a 2.5 million baht Nakamichi sound system installed by my friend Hiroyuki Nakamichi.

6. I am very modest and never tell anyone about my Sensei status and schools I founded in Karate, Judo, Kendo, and Smaldikdo.

7. I think my completion of 36 triathlon's in the last 4 years is getting boring so I will turn my attention to mastering another language (I am fluent in 16 languages and their dialects)

8. I did not hit you with my Ferrari. I merely grazed you at 55kph when I ran through that light and you were in the crosswalk. It wasn't me that caused your broken legs, it was the parked Honda you flew into. Why didn't you look both ways before crossing? What I meant was, the damages you suffered are going to heal and that's why I put some baht in your wallet when you were unconcious so you wouldn't be surprised. Maybe I am at fault, but let's drag this out and talk about this because I am one lonely ass pinhead.

1Ball

07-10-04, 02:10

Oh good.

I was getting bored and depressed, as there had been no repetitive bashing for at least 48 hours. Back to the same old shit, I see.

How exciting :(

I propose that anybody who has something mean, crude, rude, or just generally nasty to say, (and i will try to start with myself ), write it, save it as a word document (please, no sarcastic remarks about whether or not everyone knows how to do that ), and look at it after 48 hours.

If after 48 hours, you still feel the need to be mean, crude, rude, or just generally nasty, then knock yourself out.

Somebody said a few years ago, after having the shit beaten out of him: "can't we all just get along ?"

After all, we are all just a bunch of average Joes, wanting to get laid, or am I missing the point of this forum ?

Joe Zop

07-10-04, 04:48

actually, ljohnson, i don't at all believe my "opponent" is going to "roll over" and admit anything. i've simply never actually had the opportunity to have such a discussion with him, as everything just went ballistic and offensive before (and obviously is going there again, so i guess i'm going to stop, as i don't want another flame war.)

i've gone out of my way not to get personal, not to be insulting or nasty, and to simply criticize and discuss actions and perspectives. i always forget that approach is basically impossible to sustain here.

traveler, i absolutely reject your contention that the majority of mongers have been with an ****d girl. that's just a generic slur used to excuse inappropriate personal behavior -- the "oh, hey, everybody does it" defense, placed side by side with the "it was just an accident" defense.

whether you were the first and only one to do so is completely irrelevant -- we can only be responsible for our own actions, not those of others. that goes for the specifics of whether you will/will not or should/should not be punished by thai law as well. you're the one who brought up lines that shouldn't be crossed, period, (which induced me into this discussion in the first place, as it really seemed too much to let go without comment) and those lines are moral, not legal, and to argue legal loopholes is to avoid the dealing with the underlying moral issue.

yes, you're willing to admit you made a mistake, but not that there's anything you can do to change that situation. in other words, your horror about crossing this particular line is not so major or important to you that you feel the need to inspect or change your behavior or approach so that it won't happen again, because it's the situation that's screwed up, so hey, what can you do? sa, on the other hand, as far as you're concerned, has crossed a line and must be personally insulted by you until he changes his tune. i've used the word ironic regarding this in the past because i didn't want to used the more charged word hypocritical.

i leave the last words to you, traveler -- history has shown you'll take them regardless, so it's easier to offer :d. i've had my say on this issue now and will stop, because it's clear that to go further on it is to set the village on fire again and i'm not one who gets satisfaction from pyrrhic victories.

The Traveler

07-10-04, 08:56

Joe Zop

I always appreciated (and still do) your mostly objective approach on any issue and I do not feel insulted by you in any way.
You have valid points but your argumentation is a very theoretical and technical one. Life is a bit more complex and not as straight forward as you try to imply. Nevertheless, just like others I am tired of that discussion so let us stop here. And, if it makes you happy, you won. Hope that will finally end it.

Bill

07-10-04, 23:20

Samus,

Please come back! Your forum is being taken over and may be renamed " *********'s lectures on how to commit crimes and make yourself feel better by seeking approval in the WSG" Many of us miss your keen observations and need your consistent reinforcement to keep us in line. We trust you are on hiatus to free yourself temporarily from baht, buddhism, lbfm gash and noodles. Your wannabe successor does not possess the same morals and logic as the average monger or human for that matter. Deep down it knows this, but like an alcoholic, will take a sip to think more clearly. It is constantly trying to get the last word in, or it may not sleep. I will bet anyone 5000 baht, that outside of this forum, its last words are usually "don't tell your mommy"

Poobah

07-14-04, 18:05

Hi Guys,

A long time since I've posted to the Thai forum. Mostly seems to be recycled stuff, but it can be interesting to dive in again.

As someone who's traveled, worked , lived (albeit briefly) and speaks Thai, I have somewhat of a less black and white feeling now. I've been an infatuated newbie and a jaded old-hand. Currently I occupy some place in-between which is the most comfortable position for me.

In the end, I've viewed the bar/go-go scene as akin to a ride in Disneyland. Enjoy the fantasy, even dive deep into it, while never forgetting it for what it is. I got back into the travel aspect in Thailand and enjoy going to new places while still enjoying sex with nubile women whom I find to be some of the most beautiful on the planet.

I have subscribed to the 3f rule, but it is nothing new and certainly isn't the province of SA (ever hear of the phrase 'yet la leum'?). I'm not sure what SA motivation is. He takes great pains to describe his actions as being respectful of the working girls but his words indicate otherwise. Perhaps it's all hyperbole, but just like TT, I don't like the sound of it. Are we really so foolish that we cannot get a message without it containing derogatory remarks about another person?

I don't see things as fully black and white. While I believe people have jumped into relationships with bargirls after knowing one for a few nights and knowing even less about the language, I have found there are exceptions to every 'rule' I've had.

I've had friends marry bar-girls and most have been disasterous. One good friend of mine had his fiance's pictures posted on a private forum by a guy who wanted everyone to see her hooters. Another friend of mine married a go-go dancer from Soi Cowboy, took her two kids over to the US, then when she went back 'for vacation' and didn't return found out she was already married. To a Thai policeman. Ouch! However, I have two that are married and by all indications things are going well (one just had his fifth anniversary).

Last year I met a girl who had 'just started' and didn't think much more of that. I ended up spending a lot of time with her, traveling, talking to her etc. Maybe it was moment of weakness but I ended up taking her off the game against all my rules and putting her in school. How did I do this? I used two of my friends who work and live in Thailand (one of them is Thai) who thought initially I was fuking nuts. They told me if I was going to do something this crazy they wanted to make sure she was in a poor position to burn me. They opened up the bank account in their name (and sent me all the paperwork BTW) and let her have the ATM card and PIN and since then have monitored what she takes out. They also went to the school, got me a great rate (it is one the Chula students go to to supplement their English and computer skills) and enrolled her for six months. I just got all the paperwork, receipts, etc. One friend's wife sat down with her and explained that this was the way it was going to be, and I told her the same thing.

So far it's been working out well. She doesn't spend the money quickly (it's about 10k a month for her, but she lives with her aunt in Bangkok) and has had perfect attendance at the school (which if she was working all night would make it pretty difficult). She calls me often on the calling card I gave her. Never asks about money, but is more suspicious that I have someone here in the US. She sings me Thai songs, tells me about her 'gaan baan' (homework) and we have conversations in Thai going on for hours. I told her already I was crazy, that I've never done this before, but there it is. For those that want to tell me it's insane, I already know that thank you very much. I embrace the insanity rather than avoid it.

My friend's wife has somewhat changed her opinion of this girl and now tells me to watch out as I could become her 'first great love'. So who knows, ya know?

I know there are people who would point out to me that she could still be working on the side (I would be one of them) but I realize that as a risk. If it all crumbled, I am making enough dosh in the US to look at this as a minor expense and probably another learning experience. I told her we'd reevaluate it after 6 months and see where we're at.

Funny because for most of my time there, I believed that the best chance of success in a Thai/Farang relationship was (1) Living there (2) not getting involved with a BG (3) not being a wimp (still relevant) (4) knowing the language (an absolute). In most respects I still do. However I've found with every rule there are exceptions. Living in Thailand is no guarantee of a good honest relationship. Going with a GTG is no guarantee. I had a friend who was a lawyer in Bangkok who married a 'regular' gal who worked at MBK. After 2 years of marriage he found out she was with another person, a Thai girl and she told him she'd always been a lesbian. My other friend I mentioned above has a great wife that takes care of him, his family treats him with respect and unless there are serious issues he and I are unaware of it's working out pretty well. I've been to their home and this former bar girl has created a place that to me resonates with harmony. I guess my point here is know your own rules, but I would never be so locked-in to believe that there aren't rare exceptions to them.

I guess the purpose of this ramble is that there are nuggets of truth in SA approach (as well as others) although I think his delivery need a LOT of work. Personally I think there's a lot more anger underneath his words than he's letting on, but I'm not here to play armchair psychiatrist.

I think you need to trust your brain AND your heart. I think one needs to realize that there are just no guarantees unless you want to keep yourself locked in a box. I think you need to ready yourself the best you can and in any endeavor of the heart be prepared to take a spiritual roll of the dice. Be aware of your exit strategy. Be a strong person that is willing to take a woman's anger if you put your foot down (esp. true I've found with Thai women!).

I think the hard thing to accept is there are very few absolutes.

Remember that although these girls are in a crazy mixed-up situation they too fall in love and have been lied to as much as they lie to us.

Above all don't lose the caring part of yourself in all this mess. It's what make us human.

And please, take care of yourself.

PB

Joe Zop

07-14-04, 19:06

Great post, Poobah, thanks!

The Traveler

07-14-04, 20:27

Poobah,

very nice way to get your message out.

I do not think you are insane. You help her to get a better basement for her future. That's really nice.

I made the experience, that most thai girls/women would step in front of a running train for their partners.
They are great GFs/wifes if you treat them right.

Ljohnson

07-15-04, 01:43

Poobah,

I appreciate you taking the time to tell an honest, interesting story.

Poobah

07-15-04, 03:58

Thanks guys. And since I'm in a sharin' mood, I'll turn you on to a pic I've always liked because of the expression on her face. It's a fairly old (5 years or so) pic I posted years ago on TSM but thought it was worth a repeat.

Poobah

07-15-04, 04:32

One last thought before I go back into lurk mode, I'd like to give props out to Posterlion.

I want to preface this that my last trip to Thailand was with a very good friend of mine who is dying of metastatic colon cancer (who's wife delivered him the divorce papers when he got out of the hospital as she 'couldn't take it emotionally'!). As my parting gift to him, I bought him his plane ticket and agreed to act as his interpreter/guide on his inaugural voyage. I'm sure this colored a lot of what I subsequently did, but for me, it really brought a lot of things into proper perspective.

I live very comfortably and my life is complex. Too complex with business, business associates, business headaches, and all the nice creature comforts that affords me. There have been many times lately that all I think about are simplify, simplify simplify. I wouldn't have thought I could make a rash decision, but through my 401k,Capital Accumulation account, Deferred Pension Plan, term life, personal savings, investments, house, nice sports car (that seems to only get the attention of other middle-aged guys!), I kept asking myself one question: What am I accumulating all this shizit for? What is my freakin END POINT to it all?? Especially when I have not fallen into marriage/divorce/ kids/ etc. I'm 42. At what point do I really start living for me??

All the creature comforts cannot buy me happiness. I've read Posterlion's posts on this and other forums and cannot for the life of me understand why gets criticized for his decision. If he was whining and bitching about Thailand and his current situation I could see some constructive criticism thrown his way, but honestly what I see coming through is a guy genuinely happy with his current situation. While it might not be a place I could be happy with, to each his own. The most poignant moment came when he showed a picture of a penthouse view and then one from his pad. Now that was a priceless MasterCard moment.

I can remember the times when everything fit into an old Honda Civic and when things just didn't seem so complicated. While the ants would bug the shit out of me, and while I could never live in Thailand full time as a visitor, there is a beauty in his simplicity I wish I could appreciate better.

Recently I was set to make an upward transfer within the company I worked for. I knew this position would have a lot of responsibility and it would probably be at least a year before I could travel again. But that money, the position, and the respect. I went overseas for two months before starting up my new position, which I said was a non-negotiable part of my transfer. I remember coming back and sitting in my home with my luggage and all my stuff and thinking "how empty and artificial this place really is to me". The first day of my job loomed and I came to the realization that I just. couldn't. do. it. My life was passing in a preprogrammed way and each day forward seemed more ominous and weighed on me like wet sand.

I took stock of what my current skills were, what I really wanted to do, and did something entirely out of character for me (that insanity thing again) and resigned. I took a contract job with the Govt that sucks as far as quality of work, but allows me a very good income, all the time off I need and I decide when I want to work (my severance covers my health and dental only until January of next year so we'll see how wonderful it is then).

Although I have made some plans, some phone calls and set up some meetings (that I can't really discuss on an open forum), I really I have no certainty what my next step is going to be. I put myself in a bad position with what some view as a rash decision, but I just couldn't see my life getting locked-in on a literal and figurative level. Next week I start finding out what I have to do to take me from point a to point overseas, but at this point all my guarantees are gone. It might mean I have to do a little additional training, or a little work gratis, but will all lead to something much better. Hopefully...

So Posterlion, in the end, it is probably much more about me than you, sorry to use you as a means to my end, but something just kept hitting me with your words, your life, and that beautiful cheap-ass view.

So in the end, someday I hope I can stop saying someday.

By the way, that friend of mine who was dying? He gained 20 pounds, found new respect for himself and a reason to live again. He came back, put his house in order, told his ex-beeach he was cashing out his pension and if she wanted to pursue him, she was welcome to try. He's going back to live out the rest of his days in Thailand in 2 months. So if you see a former electrician in Mae Sot running a small bar say hi to him from me would ya? Tell him I'm looking forward to the day that I have my Isaan girl sing 'luuk tung' for me in person. He'll know exactly what you mean.

PB

We can secure other people's approval if we do right and try hard; but our own is worth a hundred of it, and no way has been found out of securing that - Mark Twain

Joe Zop

07-15-04, 06:06

Well, it's simply impossible to argue with anyone who not only writes well but also has the good taste to quote Twain.

Do us a favor, Poobah, and stay de-lurked for a while.

Wanderlust

07-15-04, 06:36

Poobah............ Sorry don't know her......... Juust kidding, nice pix. I've got to echo everyone else. Nice post, and good luck. BUTTT...... Had meant to write something about SA when signing in.
I too have been out for awhile. It always bothered me that a page devoted to SA in Thailand some how was hi-jacked by other really boring people. This spot was made specifically for SA to shoot off his BS. It was always in humor.
All of a sudden some ******* felt slighted and turned this page into something entirely different. It always begged the question to me of why is this boring mother fucker even here in this section if he want's to be all serious???? It went on from there, and now it's over. Some stupid assed dickweed ruined the only humor on this forum. I really couldn'y stand two minutes in that guys company,.....I thought my 9th grade bioliguy teacher was from hell , but this guy???? YUUK.........
DITTO TO BIL.............I'm not even going to read the other pages becuase MR sourpuss fag boy is most likely there too. Yawn......

Giotto

07-15-04, 09:31

Poobah,

Great posts, thank you. Very much appreciated, especially the honesty in your stories.

Giotto

PosterLion

07-15-04, 14:44

PosterLion

07-15-04, 14:52

Migrant One

07-15-04, 17:36

Poobah,

First time reading this thread and saw your heartfelt post.

Gotta ad good lauck man, you are entering into this with a experienced point of view, no reason it can't work out.

Like you I've known some BG relationships that worked, some that didn't.

The ladies, like any group, are composed of the good ones just trying to make a living, to the "bad" ones that do it for the constant party and because they are too lazy to do anything else, and the rest of the ladies in between.

Personally I've had a 3 year relationship with a lady from Central America, a part time working girl, but from the beginning she was upfront about it. I've done much, much double checking and investigating while I am in the states, and it all seems to bear out her statements. There is always that doubt, of course, so your suggestion of living in the applicable country, I feel, is right on.

My relationship ended badly when we found her to be HIV+ so basically unable to come to the states, and even if willing (which I may be) I'm not in a position to head down there, 2 kids in college, and one more headed there, plus a vindictive ex.

We discussed it (Oh I tested clean in every known test) and decided it just can't continue, emotionally hard for both of us. I can't afford to support her, but am willing to help, something she did not ask for. She will continue to work, but has always (even with me) insisted on everything covered.

Good Luck Man

Migrant