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Lima Busy
03-03-04, 01:17
Hi all,

Did not want to waste time on the Lima boards. I am moving to Peru as soon as I can sell the house and cars. In the interim, I am trying to get my hottie up here (N.Y.C) on a tourist visa as opposed to a fiance visa. l will let you know how it goes. The embassy website says it is 8-10 weeks for the initial interview. After much crying I convinced my hottie to make the call anyway.

She called today and has her interview on march 18. I am not saying she will get the visa but after 2 mos in the states I need some peruana takeout.

I will only post the results if their is some interest.

Eddie

Robert51
04-08-04, 01:38
Hey Lima Busy,

I would ve interested in hearing more about what you have to say about the tourist visa and about the things you have seen or done in Peru. Why tourist vs fiancee? What are the costs associated with such a thing??

Would be interested in hearing what, where, why, and what's great in your past experiences in Peru.

Latter

Robert

Lima Busy
04-09-04, 04:42
Robert51,

I had no luck with the tourist visa. I went that route because it takes alot longer for a fiance visa, you have to provide bank and financial information. More importantly if a chica comes here on a fiance visa and does not get married here in six months she can never return. The fiance visa is applied for in the United States a tourist visa is applied for in the girls home country. The cost is $125 and is non refundable in the event she is turned down. The girl simply calls the American embassy in her own country after she has wired them the money. My chica got a appointment in 10 days as opposed to 8-10 weeks as they say on the state dept. website. They blew her off in 5 minutes and told her I had to apply for a fiance visa. Most likely because our age difference is 28 years. No biggy, I sold the Porsche and the condo and will be moving permanently in June.

I choose Peru based on chicas, finances, security (no muslem terrorists flying planes into shit) Food (rated one of the top 10 cuisines in the world) History (amazing) cultural diversity. I will be living in Miraflores as I enjoy that cafe society thing. In a hour I can be in Santa Maria the Hamptons of Lima. Every 3 months I will be leaving my girlfriend and travelling to Central and South America to sample the goods. In the future when the real estate bubble bursts and they capture Osama I may come back and reinvest. If not I will settle down in Buenas Aires or Cartagena if they ever get that situation under control. I love Lima but longer term the climate sucks. Outside of Miraflores and San Ysidiro the air pollution is deadly. The altitude in Cuzco would kill me. I hear Tumbes and Chicalayo are nice places to live and I will check them out as well. If all goes well I will be the Krispy Kreme King of South America.

Lima is no different from any other city I have been to. In the end it all comes down to attitude. If you enjoy experiencing life and all its oppurtunities you can be happy anywhere. If you have demons in your life, you will be sharing your apartment with them weither it is Pittsburgh, Paris or Pattaya.

Lima Busy

Robert51
04-11-04, 02:39
Lima Busy,

Thank You for the reply. The Peru bord is getting kinda dead. I was in Lima last October and stayed in Miraflores and San Isidro. I also traveled down to Parracas.

I will be going back down in 3 weeks. I will be staying at Cusco and in the Sacred Valley this time.

I meet several interesting ladies on this last trip and was just interested in how the visa thing was going for you, as I could see myself being interested in that sort of thing myself. Moving is not an option for me at this time, but is not something I wouldn't mind considering someday if given the opportunity.

Good Luck on your quests, keep us informed.

Adios,

Robert51

Don River
04-26-04, 00:41
Robert 51,

The probability of getting a young woman here on a visitors visa is very low. Visitor visas are issued for a period 10 years. The presumption of the US counsulate is that a young woman of no means, no job to return to, and no future in Peru will do what hundreds of people do each year. That is come here and never return to Peru. This is especially true if she has other relatives in the US. The exception is if she has an education, profession, and money in the bank, she may be able to qualify.

A fiance visa takes about 6-7 months to process. You fill out your biographical information, and hers and submit the required documents. When they have reviewed evey thing here they will wire the embassy in Lima to set up an interview with your novia.

She has to convince the counsulor officer that she is seriously intending to marry you. Part of your documentation will have been photographic proof that you have met each other and a declaration that you intend to marry her when she arrives.

The financial information is not onerous on you. They want to know that you are able to support her and be financially responsible for her for two years.

After she has passed the interview, which takes about 4 hours, they will issue her a fiance visa that is valid for 90 days only from the day she enters the US. What that means is she has 90 days to get married and file appropriate documentation with the BCIS. If you don't get this all done within the 90 days, she is subject to deportation.

If she has had any sort of legal problems for example prostitution or drugs, they will not issue the visa. If she were to get into any trouble during the first two years that you are married, she is subject to deportation. They probably would not find out about it until she applied for a permanent green card. Then they would refuse to give her permanent status even though you are married.

You can do all the paperwork yourself and save the cost of an attorney. All the forms and instructions are on the web site. If you do it yourself, you can still expect to spend about $ 2K. That does not include the round trip ticket that she has to have with a return flight 90 days from when she enters the US.

What you do not want to do is get married and try to bring her into the country. She will still have to go through all the steps, but they really drag their feet. Also, you run the risk that somthing will come up that will preclude her from coming here even if you are married.

Good luck!

If you want further information or have questions PM me. The most important thing that you have to do is practice patience because the process will drive you crazy.

Don

Bowling
08-14-04, 03:04
Guys I could use some advice,

I really hit it off with a young lady from Peru a few months back. We write to each other everyday, I've been to see her since and I am going to see her again very soon. A beautiful, intelligent young woman. Some of you guys are probably saying "yeah, sure!, they all are!" Despite what some of you may think, this girl is a keeper.

Maybe this is not the place to ask, but so far this forum is all I've found that is a half ways decent reference for any useful information. What I need to know is some things about the culture and relationship stuff. Not the machismo crap, but the normal things expected of a guy. If I am to continue seeing her without her getting into trouble I need to meet her mother soon, and also I'd like her to know that I care about that sort of thing. Any suggestions?

You guys with any kind of sence know what I'm looking for. If anyone has any advice let me know. It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Bowling

Latina Passion
08-24-04, 05:43
Bowling,

"The normal things that are expected from a guy"

Dude my best advise to you, just be yourself infront of your girl as well as her family, the last thing you wnat to do is be something that your not, because in the end it will all come out in the wash!

This is my point, the apple does not fall far from the tree! If your girl likes you for who you are then what makes you think that her parents will not feel the same? After all they raised her.

Bowling, a relationship is hard enough and twice as hard if the pair are from two different cultures, so why fluff your resume?

If she is truely a keeper then just be yourself!

If she is a keeper, then you are 100% correct in wanting to meet her family, once again it don't fall to far from the tree. Now if she is fluffing her resume chances are you will see the true her in her family!

Six years ago I made that mistake, my wife fluffed her resume, hell I even saw the true side of her family and over looked them, big mistake on my part, do not make the same!

Latina Addict
09-29-04, 18:54
Hey Dash,

Do a search and reference my previous discussions on gringas, in Baires section (they don´t even rate capitalizing their name gringa), about how they are, "a waist of vaginal tissue".

Anyway I digress, and here is an example of the chicks here, even the pros. I arrived last night on the all nighter and our van passed (on purpous) Tequilas. ( I actually hate this plce due to the attitude there and prices, but at that horny moment, it was the only game in town without significant effort) I saw a cute, young hard Cholita at the door and yelled at her to wait 20 minutes for me and I smiled at her, she gave a sweet smile back. All the following and the yell, were, and are in Spanish, which I consider a must south of the shit hole Santa Cruz de gringalandia.

Jumped into some clothes, and raced over, dodging beggers and bought some candy for a little family who was the least annoying of the group. Wow really pissed off the aggressive ones. Any way, I arrived at 05:00 , they close at 06:00. Went down, bought a beer and up came this girl I yelled at. Her name is Almendra. (Not her real name, but, is her name when she works at Club 69, read on.

Well, it was like this chick was my freaking horny assed fiance, and like she knew me forever. As good as any Brazilera that has ever attacked me. Business included her groping the shit out of me, DFK, and us laughing cutely at the gringos dancing with the girls and how drunk they all were. She said lets go and I indicated that nothing in life is free, and I hate surprises. (Mi linda, nada en este vida es gratis, y las odio surpresas. A good line to remember Gringos) She said we all pay for every thing and I asked how much her love would cost me. She said 80 dollars. I then laughed and said she must be dreaming ( Jaja, parace eres soñando amor!) She said 70, I looked at her, she said 60, I looked at her, she said 50, I looked at her and she paused. Based on previous experience, I know this is a level that if gone below at Tequilas, performance could suffer, so I indicated for this HUGE amount, we need to be together forever! She said we can be together as long as I want! I said I will leave the next morning early, and would love to have a peruvian beauty till then, she said of course, and we left.

In the room, she was a freaking tiger! She has to have some Brazillian blood in her! She attacked me and proceeded to blow me while I was standing up and my pants on. She was soooo horny and wet, and that pussy was as clean and pure as the driven snow! Wow. The following sex was then rated as easily the top 10 I have ever had, with everything happening uncovered! (Spare me the lecture fellas, this was something the porn industry would pay big money for, and there was a bonding that I have not felt in a long time). I am leaving out a little bit of our conversation, I will mention some at the end.

She especially loved to suck my dick while I was fucking her, a little pounding, a lot of sucking. Back and forth. So hot. And the more we fucked, the wetter she got! Then, she said that this was so hot and sexy, and she loved to be with me so much, she was ashamed, and that she would not take my money! Yep, she said that. I, being the gentleman I try to be sometimes said, she needed it for her little boy and that I was not a selfish Machista.

We woke at 11:00 AM after two long hour and a half sessions, and she said SHIT I have to get my kid! Fuck! We argued nicely about how I meant tomorrow morning, not this morning and she claimed to not understand. She promised to come tonight to the hotel at 8:00 PM Gringo time, not Peruvian time. I hope she is for real, because it is absolutely worth that repeat performance!

Ok, one last detail. Her name at tequilas is not Almendra, cuz I am a little bit jeleous of all you horny fucks getting to her too soon. But I will say this. She has worked at Culu 69 since April and she gave me the following info. This info is why I have said many times I will NEVER set my white Gringo ass in places like Club 69. There she said drinks are 30 soles for her. To have a "privado" it will take 2 drinks, 160 pesos for the house and 100 dollars for the chica! That is fucking 168 dollars for a couple of hours with a Club 69 girl! Yea right, bite me! And I had uncovered, fucking incredible honeymoon sex with Almendra, a Club 69 girl, for 50 dollars (Yes this is too much too, but even a better value than the best crack ***** Santa Cruze de gringolandia has to offer) and I am pretty sure it will continue tonight, all night for at the most, a nice romantic dinner! Viva Peru!

Ok now for the rating:

Name at Club 69 - Almendra
Age - 21 and a half
Face - 7.2
Body - 7.5, not quite as tight as a 21 YO should be, but sooo sexy.
Tits - 7 Ever so slightly saggy A cup ,awsome little girl nipples.
Ass - 8
Hair - 6 That deep fake, red, shoulder length.
BBBJTCIMTS - Easy 9, and add a half point for the dozen times she pulled me out and proceeded to suck like her life depended on it.
Performance overall - 9.8
Look on the faces of the obvious cunts in tequilas (that hit on me and want 100 dollars ) when I met Almendra and walked out with her sucking her face in 10 minutes - priceless.

Latina Addict

Lima Busy
12-17-04, 21:32
Increasingly Americans are leaving the USA to explore living in other countries. For years westerners have been going to Mexico and easterners Costa Rica. My own journey was to have been to Costa Rica, fate and the internet led me happily to Peru.

I have been living here for six months now and I am certainly a neophyte. When I first arrived in Miraflores, I was far from impressed. Having spent my entire life in N.Y.C. I had a different view of luxury.

Now when I travel around the country I have gained a true appreciation for what is truly a lovely area.

As most of you who have traveled here have learned the women here range from the ordinary to the truly exotic. The one thing I have learned is that with approximately 3 million women who all seem to be in their twenties, falling in love is an everyday occurrence.

I have met many Americans who have recently moved here. We call Peru the “The land of Sevens”. The reason there are not many nines and tens is “no makeup”. That’s right! The girls here for the most part do not where makeup and are still amazing. The other thing you notice is wet hair everywhere. Can you picture a girl in a fancy restaurant in N.Y.C. with no makeup and wet hair, NOT!

Women here are far more in touch with their natural sensuality and have no need for artificial enhancements, If a women here is interested you will know it with a glance.

But enough about the women! We all come for the women and stay for the food!

That is not entirely true, In time I am learning Peru has appeal on a multitude of levels.

OK, back to living in Peru.

Work- there is none! Lima has the most Taxista’s with doctorate degrees in the world. You must have an income stream from the U.S.A. or great entrepreneurial skills.

As my business as well as my friends is conducted entirely over the internet “Working from home” has taken on new meaning”.

Communication- With a Vonage phone, wi-fi internet and a Nextel cellphone, I can be working on my balcony overlooking the Pacific Ocean and my clients think I am in the office in N.Y.C, Chicago or Timbuktu.

Cost of Living- There is none! Sorry just joking. Compared to N.Y.C. it is about a 1/3 Yup! 30%

Here are a few examples Lima N.Y.C
Haircut 12 soles/ $3.65
Shoeshine 3 soles .91
Cigarettes 5 soles $1.52
Filet Mignon $4.25/lb
12 Bananas 1.5 soles .45
Hand Car wash 4- 5soles $ 1.75
Oceanfront apartment Rent .62/sq ft- Buy $100/sq ft new construction
Dinner for 2 fine Italian restaurant $35.00- Nice café $16.00
Bottle of good Peruvian wine Tacama/Occuajae- $5.50

If you do not want to live on the ocean you can easily rent a nice apartment here for $400 furnished. If you want to buy plan on $50 sq.ft for new construction.

Although taxis are cheap and plentiful I find it useful to have a car for weekend travel. The common perception is that only surfers use the beach in Miraflores / Barranco / Chorillos. I only go in the ocean at the beaches south of here. If you have a car you can be at the beach in 40 mins.

LimaBusy

Lima Busy
01-12-05, 21:21
Since Miss Peru won the Miss World contest a lot more European mongers have been coming to town.

During the past six months most of us ex-pats have been meeting down at Café Z every day at 11am.
This was due to the friendly girls that worked there as well as its proximity to Britanico the school I mentioned in an earlier post.

Now that summer is here the school has filled up with young kids and is no longer a fertile hunting ground for the normal chicas.

For high class women watching the best place is still weekdays from 12-2 at Café San Antonio over on Ave Reducto.

Do not bother going there at night as it is all couples and families. If you have a date it is a great cheap place to eat with gourmet sandwiches for about 9 soles and great desserts.

A few of us are in school to learn Spanish here. We did four months at El Sol, but aside from the Korean chic’s it was slim on mongering opportunities.

Once summer ends we are planning on enrolling in IAPNA over on Ave. Arequippa. If you have seen the campus than you can understand the potential. While we study Spanish there are literally hundreds of girls studying English.

I am thinking about talking to the owner about a café z over there.

Last night we went down to check out the scene at Phuket. It was great a few weeks ago before the tsunami, I was curious if people were still going there. Well it turned out to be great again. Basically the scene is happening from 12-3. There were 3 girls to every guy as is customary here. Also we were the only three gringos in the whole place. If you’re not familiar it is definitely a 30-40s BMW crowd.

Café Zuka in Larco Mar is a great place to have a drink with a chica. It is a series of cubicles with good music and is best described as an Asian martini bar.

Without a doubt the daytime non-pro street action around Miraflores continues to provide the most bang for the buck.

The model types are usually walking down Larco from the Ovalo to about Benavides or on the other side of the diagonal from Café Hati to Café Z.

If you’re here full time or as a tourist they have a great price fixed lunch at a little place on Calle Porta.
I have to get the # but they give you soup or salad an entrée (go for the Pollo) and a resfresco for 6 soles.

Do not know if you saw my report in the Callao section but I had my car ripped off again. This time right in front of my house in Miraflores at about 8pm. I had been at the old pub with some of the guys for happy hour, I stopped at the house to take a leak and pick up my date for dinner down at Vivaldinos and in 10 minutes they snagged my front grill, headlights and radiator.

I wish these guys would just knock at the door and ask me for $200 instead of making me spend $600 and running around town. Ohh well.

The only reason I had the car out was because 5 days before my buddy was attacked at a park in Barranco by a dog and had one of his leg tendons ripped apart.

If you have an accident down here you have to pay at the emergency room before they give you treatment.

I got a health insurance policy at Clinica Good Hope on Malecon Balta. I have a family policy even though I am not married for $30 a month. Gotta love this country!

Lima Busy

ChicagoBoy23
03-23-05, 02:55
Been staying at JW Marriott but very pricey

Looking for nice apartment in Miraflores for last 2 weeks of April. Appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

Lima Busy
03-23-05, 22:42
Chicago Boy,

You probably won't be able to find a apartment rental down here for two weeks, It just is not worth the hassle. Plenty of hotel rooms in the $40-$50 a night range. Do not reccomend the Colon 500 though as it is next too my house and I prefer not to have to see other gringos(ja Ja) they just built a botique hotel (the NIDO)on block 3 of calle porta that I think is going to be happening. there is another one on porta that is 55 soles a night. My friend has been there for a month and it is quiet but close to all the action.

Good Luck!

LimaBusy

Duesy45
03-30-05, 17:48
Can any of the members living in Lima tell me what visas are available for ex-pats? I know that you can get a tourist visa. What kind of visa can you obtain that will be good for a longer period of time? Also, how difficult is it to obtain?

For example, in Mexico you can get a FM3 which is good for a year and can be renewed annually.

Some countries offer an 'investors visa' where you deposit an amount of money in the bank of that country and you get a visa that is good for an extended period of time.

I plan on moving to Lima but do not want to have to leave the country every 90 days or so just to get a new visa.

Thank for any information.

Lima Busy
05-07-05, 02:19
Like other central and south american countries there are a number of visas available. Go to the peru consulate website for a detailed explaination. Basically, you are only required to leave the country twice a year. They give you 90 days when u first arrive and you can extend for 90 more for a cost of $60.00.

The easiest way is to get married Ha Ha!

There is also a visa if you have employment here,are retired with a guaranteed pension I think 1500 a month. Also if you buy or start a company here. If it is tourist related u need too invest 50,000 and non tourist I think is 100,000 . All numbers are in dollars.

Opening a business here will take you a year or more and never have a peruvian partner.

All my friends are here on tourist visas some as long as 25 years and believe me even though it is paradise here you will want to go to see the rest of SA, and possibly N.Y. for Pizza or a Pastrami sandwich. I used too complain about spending 18 for a sandwich at the 2nd ave deli, now I would spend that in a N.Y. minute.

Why is it that even though sex is cheaper here than a sandwich, I still dream about Nathans hotdogs, pastrami sandwichs, Lombardi's pizza and a Stewarts root beer.

Christ, I was in N.Y. 3 weeks ago and now I got the itch again!

Bueno Suerte!

Lima Busy

Volpone
06-27-05, 18:25
A few months ago I was in Peru and I had such a great time with girls, that I would like to stay there.

It was very easy to find girlfriends and furthermore to have some cheap sex a few times in the week with some pros or semi-pros.

I stayed about 2 months in LIma and love that city and the people. I visited some other cities in Peru too.

What I would like to do is to open a shop or a night club or a restaurant.

Does anybody has some informations about it?

Does anybody has tried to do something similar?

Any point of vue would be interesting for me if you have some infos about the situation.

Thanks in advance guys.

Lima Busy
06-28-05, 17:01
Volpone,
Do not take this as pissing on your parade but it is difficult to open a business in any latin american city, more so in Peru. It can take a year or more to obtain all the proper licenses. It took the owner of the old pub 1 1/2 years after he opened before he could put a sign up.

I believe you need to invest $50,000 for a tourist related business and $100,000 for non-tourist. Check the Gov't website to be sure.

The competition is fierce in Lima, less so in other cities. The first step is to have a good business plan developed and enough cash to live for a few years.
Next a good law firm, I may be able to give you two that my friends have used.

I believe you need a peruvian partner or stockholder for a corporation. Subscribe to ACAP here in peru for a series of articles on the subject.

The easiest way is to buy a ongoing business that you can piggyback on there licences.

Recently my friend who owns cafe Z, bought the storefront next to it to open a barbeque place. Murphy's Irish Pub just changed hands for about $150,000 and the new owner got nothing of value.

I know Palanchinke (sp) restuarant is for sale for $80,000 inc/building. It is right on the corner by parque kennedy and is a good location.

Near Polves Azules you can rent a stall for $60 a month. There is a new mercado in centro Lima on Abancay which sells space for around 7-9,000.

Alot of new bars and restuarants opening on the side street off Larco by KFC.
My friend opened a pizza place there last year and only lasted 3 months.

Make sure you have a original idea that would be hard to duplicate as Peruvians love to copy and will open up right next door or better yet sell it on the street in front of your store!

Good Luck
LB

Dash
07-02-05, 17:23
Briefly I think Lima Busy's posts are interesting and informative, so just thanks. I envy him living down there and making his living "remotely", I must find a way to do that someday!

Macgoo
07-06-05, 22:32
Fellow mongers,

I’d like Comments from one of you that is currently in Lima. I would like some help in verifying the authenticity of a cutie that I’ve chatted with on LiveCam. Here is the deal; this 20 y.o girl has a webcam on “Chathostess.com” (AsianbabeCam). She is more than sexy and has promised to meet me at the hotel for sex. The problem is that my business travel plans have been delayed (more than once). Time permitting, I am hoping that one of you will visit this site and look in the “Latin” section for the girl named “KIARA”. These girls all work different hours, but Kiara is typically there after 3:00 p.m. (Lima).

While she could very well reside in a different city altogether, she seems to be familiar with the local chica scene, and indicated that she worked at one of the clubs there. Visit the website, take a look, chat (free) on line and see what you can glean. All this while she is scantly clad and often dancing about. I personally wouldn’t pay to see her undress and play with “toys” on Cam, but would certainly pursue some real action while in Lima. If you do chat with her, ask if she is willing to meet, I have found her open to this proposition

I’d just hate to see a sweet Chica like this go to waste!

Lima Busy
07-07-05, 21:18
Fellow mongers,


I’d just hate to see a sweet Chica like this go to waste!

Magoo,
Too much hassle to go through for me, probably for you too. Do not worry nothing in Peru ever goes to waste. It may get older,smellier or even die, but trust me if you can eat,drink or fuck it, it will not go to waste!
LB

John Sperm
07-07-05, 21:54
As said before nothing in Lima or even Peru goes to waste, this a minimalistic society and Peruvians do with the minimal of things if you think a piece of ass would go to waste, not at all mon friend, cause there will be 2 or 3 girls that will take their place, simple as that personally I had somewhat of a culture shock even with absurb things as Ketchup, for Gods sake Ketchup is Ketchup not BBQ sauce and try to pass it as Ketchup!!

Macgoo
07-11-05, 02:36
I recognize that it is a different approach, but that girl is one hot number! The advantage here is that you can see her in action without incurring any expense, other than time on the Internet. Her live Cam "display" hours now seems more like 8:00p.m. (Lima) onward. If anybody is interested, let me know (PM) and I will give you her mobile telephone number. Ironically, she doesn't appear to be Pro. Damn, sure wish I could do her!

Lima Busy
07-13-05, 19:12
Just thought I would post some info on the steps necessary to start a business here in Lima. I hope it helps someone!

June 2005


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Money Matters
Starting a Business in Peru - I
By Carlos Vega Cumberland

So, you have decided to open a company in Peru. Whether you are going to be exporting to China, offering consulting services, going into the food industry or diving into some other profitable business, there are a few things you need to know before you get started.

First, let's look at the options on how you can legally organize your company. The most common form of business in Peru is the corporation or joint stock company (Sociedad Anónima or S.A.). Several other business organizations are permitted under Peruvian law, including the limited liability company (Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada or S.R.L.), the individual proprietorship (Empresa Individual de Responsabilidad Limitada or E.I.R.L.), and the branch of a larger company.

Corporation or Joint Stock Company:

This is the most commonly used form of business organization in Peru. It has similarities to a U.S. corporation and also to a partnership, but for the sake of simplicity, we will use the term “corporation” here. The owners (there must be at least 2) are safeguarded against liability for company debts up to the amount of the capital invested. Their capital is converted into shares (acciones) that make the partners legal shareholders of the company.

The corporation may adopt any name, but it must conclude with “Sociedad Anónima” or its abbreviations "S.A."

The closed corporation has many of the attributes as a regular joint stock company, although the board of directors is optional. In Spanish, it is called a “Sociedad Anónima Cerrada” or its abbreviation “S.A.C.”

The open corporation, on the other hand, is used for companies with 20 or more shareholders. It is known as a “Sociedad Anónima Abierta” or its abbreviation “S.A.A.” The Telefónica in Peru is an example of an S.A.A.

Remember that shares may be acquired with capital (monetary currency), but can also be acquired with tangible or intangible good such as real state, or by means of technological contributions that are presented under the form of physical goods. These shall be evaluated and reviewed by the Board of Directors.

Limited Liability Companies:

The Limited Liability Company or “Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada” is also commonly referred to as a hybrid of a corporation and a partnership. The partners' capital is not converted into shares, however, but into a percentage of participation in the company. Profits are also distributed according to the percentage of the capital each has invested; the number of partners can be as few as 2 or as many as 20. The partners have limited liability, and the name of the company must be accompanied by “Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada” or its abbreviation “S.R.L.”

Individual Proprietorship Company:

The individual proprietorship company or “Empresa Individual” is, as the name suggests, a company formed by one individual. It is therefore less complex and less expensive to organize, due to the simplicity of the organizational structure. There are distinct legal implications, however, for married persons.

The name of the company must be followed by “Empresa Individual de Responsabilidad Limitada” or its abbreviation “E.I.R.L.”

All of the above structures are required to be legally incorporated and registered in the Public Registry.

Next month, we'll conclude our discussion of starting a business in Peru by looking at opening a branch office, then offer important tips on registration with the Peruvian tax and local government authorities.

Lima Busy
07-17-05, 18:47
I have recieved a number of PM's regarding buying property in Lima. I thought I would start off this series of posts with a reprint of a article I read a few months back.

Over the years, real estate has been a consistent producer in any investment portfolio, and this holds just as true in Lima as in just about any other major city. However, investment veterans here will warn you that housing cycles can be quick and violent, or that housing prices can bog down for years as overall investment growth in the country stagnates. If you want to invest in real estate in Lima, do so with a long-term vision and paying close attention to the “location, location, location” cliché before making your buy. Certain areas such as San Isidro and Chacarilla for example, are districts where real estate has always maintained its value, and could be a good place to pick up an income producing commercial or residential property.

Before investing, it is worthwhile to review a few of the procedures involved in the sale and to be clear about the responsibilities of both the buyer and the seller.

Steps

Once you have found what you are looking for, it is important to go to the public registry in order get a certified copy of the deed to the property. Check to make sure that the property has not been embargoed or mortgaged. Pay special attention in the “Declaratoria de Fabrica” that it shows that both the lot and the construction are registered; otherwise, you may end up buying the lot, but not the building sitting on it. The buyer also needs to request the following from the seller:

1. Municipal taxes: this includes “Impuesto Predial” paid for the whole year, as well as the “HR Hoja Resumen” and the “PU - Predio Urbano.”
2. “Minuta” or ownership deed for the property.
3. “Escritura” or notarized deed.

It is also a good idea for the buyer to request a copy of the building plans, if they are available.

Expenses

The buyer is responsible for paying certain transaction fees, the most important of which is the “Alcabala”, which is 3% of the price (“auto-valuo”) less an exoneration of S/.30,000 soles. In order to pay this, the buyer will need to present the (above mentioned) “HR” and the “PU” provided by the owner of the property. Once paid, the receipt must be taken to the notary in order to have the Notarized Deed drawn-up.

On top of these fees, the buyer must also make a payment of 0.003% of the cost of the property to the office of the public registry, and must also pay all the Notary costs.

Take care

The procedure for buying real estate in Peru has improved tremendously in the past 15 years; the process is faster and more transparent. That said, it is advisable to use an experienced lawyer to guide you through the steps; fraud in the sale of real estate still exists and even the most experienced investors have been burned.

As increased exports, strong mineral prices, pre-election spending and pending free trade deals promising to strengthen the Peruvian economy in the next few years, housing prices are due for a long-overdue rise. This could be a good time to buy, but remember, cycles can be short and vicious, so keep a long term view and do not tie up cash you might need.

Lima Busy
07-18-05, 22:13
Lima is a big, crowded and very dirty city, It is also my home now! I firmly believe Lima is the best place to buy for investment purposes, but once I am established here I would prefer to live in Trujillo.

If you are reading this section then you are already thinking of leaving the USA and are at least considering Peru as your new home or investment oppurunity.

One caveat to my last post I have mentioned to others in PM's is the upcoming election in April 2006.

At this point there is a outside chance that Alan Garcia may win the presidency. If this happens many expats are preparing to leave the country as the economy will rapidly go down the tubes. When living in a Latin American country it is possible that a new government can repatriate all foreign owned real estate as has happened to people in Boliva.

That being said , the peruvian economy now is very strong and godwilling and a lot of help from the chinese Lima will turn out to be a great investment.

For the most part RE here is transacted in dollars, although I am seeing more and more edificios here advertising in soles. Earlier this year and late last year Europeans were grabbing up apartments when the Euro was $4.25. Now they look like geniuses with the Euro at $3.75.

If you read my previous post you are aware of the 3% transfer tax. However if you buy new construction that fee is waived (actually it is paid by the builder). I am not sure but I have heard that you do not pay municipal taxes on the first property in your name.

If you are considering renting your property either ST/LT, ONLY RENT TO FORIEGNERS! In Peru it is almost impossible to evict a Peruvian for non payment.

Rents in nice areas of Lima are typically 1%/mth of the properties value.

RE here is quite different from American standards. No HVAC, no appliances, not even a lightbulb or cheap fixture. In Miraflores you will normally pay $4-6,000 for a indoor parking space as well.

I will post more when I have a chance as I am moving into my new “Penthouse in the sky” this week.

LB

Lima Busy
08-04-05, 19:33
The weather has been so magnificent down here the past week I have not had a chance to write any more with regard to living in Lima. I was here this time last year and we used to see the sun for a few hours every 5-10 days. That is the major reason most moneyed Limenos keep an apt. in Lima and a winter home about an hour east of here where it is sunny year round.

I have been officially living down here for a little over a year now. I started off in a hotel/apt in San Isidro for a month at about $210/wk. My next move was into a restored 2000 sq/ft colonial on Calle Porta 2 blocks from the Malecon in Miraflores which I rented for $850 per month. About 2 weeks ago, I moved into my current apartment which I bought back in January.

Coming from NYC with its cold winters and hot humid summers, I was pleasantly surprised with climate here in Lima, more specifically Miraflores. A few of my buddies down here equate it with San Diego. I do not know what city if any it is equal too, but looking out my 15th floor window at the Pacific Ocean on a beautiful day like today, I am only happy I am here.

Now that I am a “Don” (Latino phrase for property owner) I should probably change my handle, although I am still quite busy in Lima. But I am getting off topic.

Construction is booming in Lima and has been for the past 2-3 years. Miraflores with its oceanfront location and thriving tourism has gone thru a lot of transition; every day it seems like a new building is going up. Add to that the beautification of the parks along the Malecon (from parque Amour to the lighthouse) now a favorite of dog walkers/rollerbladers/joggers and mountain bikers and Miraflores is a beautiful little international community.

I have several friends who have sold their $500,000 east & west coast yuppie slum condos and have been buying multiple units down here in expectation of the coming boom.

Typically they buy a view apartment for themselves and a cheaper 30-40k unit for investment/rental purposes. IMHO they are making 2 mistakes.

First, there are no American style property management firms here to handle management/publicity/maintenance and rental.

Second, there are so many concrete boxes for rent here your apartment has to be desirable/unique
In order to get a worthwhile return while waiting for appreciation.

I bought my apartment with an eye toward starting a property management/rental business ala Saint in BA.

I probably looked at 100 or so apartments before choosing mine. I ended up buying a 15th floor duplex with a finished 800 sq ft terazza on the 16th floor. Because of the air rights I will be able to build a separate 800 sq ft loft style apt above my living quarters.

What makes it unique is the ocean/city views, loft style, 24 hr security in a 1 bedroom unit. There are very few 1 bedroom view apts in Lima. If my assumptions are correct, this will be one of the most sought after units in Lima offering a 25% versus the normal 12% return.

More later, it is time to head out for lunch and a little chica watching on such a fine day!

LB

Max621
09-17-05, 03:20
I will be in Peru next month, for a few months. I wear contact lenses and will be due to get new ones (just disposables) about halfway through my trip. Can I buy them at a pharmacy with no prescription or do I have to see a doctor for an exam like here in the US? I'm trying to avoid an overpriced eye exam here in the US if I can do better once there, I know what I need, I just don't want to pay $100 for a doctor to say okay.

VoodooMan
09-20-05, 03:14
hey gents,

this is my first post, i just recently moved to lima several weeks ago by way of nj. i have been a lurker on the lima board for many months. trying to absorb as much info as possible. i have not been out mongering yet, but i have met many friendly chicas just walking around town. so many pretty girls around here, hard not to get whiplash. i met one really cute 22yo chica, and took her out a few times so far. these girls seem to get possesive pretty quickly once they meet a good guy. i plan on checking out the mongering spots this weekend. i am sure it'll be blast.

i rented an apartment in area called chorillos. i like it a lot. i just recently got high speed internet/cable.

i work at home during the days, but usually out exporing the city at night. i must say the peruvian food is amazing.

peace,

vdm

VoodooMan
09-20-05, 19:04
Yes it seems like I am the only gringo living in this area. But I like it because then I have no choice but to improve my Spanish. It actually feels like a safe area, I have'nt felt unsafe as of yet, and I do a lot of walking at night. The rents are less then areas like Miraflores, and San Isidro.

Is there an area of Lima that maybe I shouldn't be walking around at night?
Do any of you guys own a car here? I was thinking about buying something to get me around, and maybe for weekend trips outside the city. Can you drive here with a US driver license? What's the deal with that? I have seen a few reasonably priced cars here.

NJ Dude II
09-20-05, 20:35
Yes, food in Lima is actually very good. There was an article in The Economist about 2 years ago, basically praising the cebiche (marinated fish). Rice & Chicken is also quite good. Some delicacies, like anticuchos (heart beefs) and pancita (roasted tripe) were made up by servants years ago, after the rich ate the beef and throw away the rest.

Also, chinese Immigrants brought their unique flavor and created 'chifa' which is a mixture of Peruvian and chinese food. Chifa food is NOT chinese, it is Chinese-Peruvian.

Oh and girls down there are pretty too. (salivating while looking at a Karen Dejo pic)

Pedro in NJ

FlyingAce
09-21-05, 14:44
Yes it seems like I am the only gringo living in this area. But I like it because then I have no choice but to improve my Spanish. It actually feels like a safe area, I have'nt felt unsafe as of yet, and I do a lot of walking at night. The rents are less then areas like Miraflores, and San Isidro.

Is there an area of Lima that maybe I shouldn't be walking around at night?
Do any of you guys own a car here? I was thinking about buying something to get me around, and maybe for weekend trips outside the city. Can you drive here with a US driver license? What's the deal with that? I have seen a few reasonably priced cars here.

Welcome Voodooman,

As far as driving goes, most times a US license and Passport can be used for the first 30-90? days. I say most times, because I encountered the "Policia" on the highways that said that wasn't good enough and I needed an International Driver's License as well. They're easy to get when you're in the US, but once you're here, you need to send back to the US to obtain one and this can become a little more costly, especially if using DHL or FedEx.

I actually went out and obtained (legally) a Peruvian driver's license so no longer have to worry. I don't know if you need a "resident's card" to get one or not.

As far as the "Policia" go, they do accept "propinas", but most gringos here try not to add to the problem by paying the "tips" requested by them. I have a driver/administrator and if he is driving and we're stopped I let him do the talking. The "tip" is less when it involves a Peruvian who depends on driving for his income.

FlyingAce

Lima Busy
09-21-05, 15:54
Voodooman, Flyingace is right on all counts. I own a car and drive everyday with a international drivers license. The actual term for a "tip" to a goverment official is called "Coinma"sp?. Anyway I would recomend you not buying a car down here.
1. I have had my car broken into twice in the past year, both times stole my radiator,headlights,front grille in about 5-10 min.
2. The police regularly pull over gringos for "coinma" weither or not you did something wrong. Depending on the infraction they will demand anywhere from 30-300 soles. If you refuse and actually did run a redlight or drove without a seatbelt, They will take you to the comisaria(police station) and impound your car.
3. When and if you get it back you probably won't recognize it!
4. NEVER NEVER offer money to one of our beautiful women traffic cops.

Speaking of the traffic cops, anybody here done one of them. My friend and I saw two cuties yesterday in centro lima on kawasaki's but did not want to stop them as my international license is expired/only good for 1 year!

Voodooman, also garages are about $45 a month and you will find it is cheaper and less headaches to just rent a car for the weekend.

LB

Dick Rambone
09-21-05, 16:13
Besides taxis are very cheap and they run often. Plus the micros are allways running but are uncomfotable to ride them.

Dick

VoodooMan
10-14-05, 21:52
Hey guys,

I was wondering if any of you gents can recommend a gym to workout.(Maybe on the lines of like NYSC in New York) I'm here in Chorillos, but don't mind traveling if theres a decent one in Miraflores. I passed one when I first moved to Lima, but forgot the name.

Also, any decent salons to get hair cuts in Miraflores or Barranco(preferably with cute hairstylists).

I'm still new to the city, and I usually only have the weekends to go and do some exploring. Weekdays I'm caught up at home working.

Gracias.

VoodooMan
10-14-05, 22:30
Guys,

I also had a question about health insurance here. Right now I have no coverage, and wanted to look into getting medical coverage. Do any of you guys have any recommendations? I heard from a friend the healthcare system here in Peru isn't so great. Is that true?

Sorry for all the questions.

VDM

John Sperm
10-17-05, 21:23
My fellow mongers I know is a bit too early for this but I am planning a trip to Lima in February 2006. I can not wait and hopefully this time I will be able to get together with the Lima mongers and go on some outings . Now to the point I am glad that the discussion is not only sexually oriented but ore socially and ways to live in Lima and thanks everyone on your post it really helps specially if you dont know the law in Peru...

VoodooMan
11-01-05, 07:06
I'm glad the P4P scene here is not as big as Rio, or other areas of SA. I think if Lima became like Rio, i would be packing my bags for somewhere else. I have lived here for over a month now, and everyday i pat myself on the back for checking out Lima, and Peru as a whole country. People are really nice, food amazing, and I love it because its almost effortless to pick up non-pros anywhere you go. It's pretty evident that the women here are very into foreigners. Summer is coming it can only get better.

I just wish I could find a decent pizza joint, ARRGH!

Peace,

VDM

Lima Busy
11-01-05, 18:16
Everyday I meet guy's on the streets,cafes and bars. Some have just arrived and others have been down here for 20 years or more. To a "T" they all believe Peru is one of the worlds best kept secrets. Mind you it is not just the women, as you can find better lookers. But living in a city as big as NYC with all the activities/food/nightlife and it's totally laid back atsmophere not to mention 3.38 soles to the dollar is hard to beat anywhere in SA. Now that summer is approaching try the beaches in Barranco and in front of you in Chorrillas. The Malecon in Chorrillas can be good as well. Also check out the beach "La Herradura" about 10 min south of you just past the "Southern Cross". Since you live near there can you tell us what the beach bar scene is like on the weekends this summer?

The Economy is starting to rock and there are many opportunities to make a nice living relatively speaking. I only wish I had not wasted my whole life chasing dollars in the USA.

I have to agree about becoming like BA or RIO, I would leave Lima as well but would probably opt for a different city up north. The closer you get to Columbia the prettier the girls. Most guy's I know all in their(our)50's rarely P4P as it is just so damn easy to score with the 20 somethings and you need a bat to chase away the 30 year olds, as they are the horniest chica's I have ever met.

Enjoy your stay and let me know if you turn up a great Pizza place.

LB

VoodooMan
11-01-05, 23:57
I sure will check out the beach bar scene this summer. I was told the bars are packed with caliente chicas during the summer. I will be exploring that to the fullest.

VoodooMan
11-04-05, 20:44
Any of you guys know of any WI-FI internet areas around Miraflores/Barranco.
And what companies provide wi-fi internet service. I work from home usually, but thought it be cool to get out and do work from a cafe or a bookstore.

Thanks,

Vdm

Jaimito Cartero
11-05-05, 18:02
Any of you guys know of any WI-FI internet areas around Miraflores/Barranco.
And what companies provide wi-fi internet service. I work from home usually, but thought it be cool to get out and do work from a cafe or a bookstore.

Thanks,

Vdm

I checked at the Maria Luisa and found one network, but it´s private, I think. No connection for me.

Lima Busy
11-05-05, 18:43
Telephonica has lots of hot spots around the Miraflores area. When they first set up it used to be free but now they charge. They were in Larco Mar/Park Kennedy and Reducto.

I would not advise using a laptop in any of the parks and also be careful when you are walking around.

For free Wi-FI in a cafe setting, go to "La Tiendicieta Blanca" swiss cafe in the Miraflores Ovalo. You can use it as long as you want if you drink lot's of coffee. It works well at the tables outside and you never have to worry about your laptop getting pinched. Also be sure to try there "Rostii Du Cheff" it is the best I have had outside of switzerland.

LB

ChicagoBoy23
11-06-05, 18:18
Hotel Country Club in San Isidro also has wifi (telefonic tarjeta)

Lima Busy
11-07-05, 15:42
Dunkin Doughnuts too!

Johan007
11-25-05, 15:13
I am glad this section is here now.
I also asked jackson to make the same section for the DR as I think many guys are also intrested in living in the DR.
When I was in Lima back in 2002....tghe city realy appeared HUGE to me. First thing i encountered was a pain in my eyes because of the damn smog!
Also i noticed prices of some real estate were rather high.
Night life is great in Lima...and the girls...OOOOO yummie yummie yummie...
Lots of cheap food places which i liked.

Only back draw is that Lima realy hasn't any good (sand) beaches....:-(

Only bad thing was to get a perm visa...is that still a pain in the ass...or what??

Nibu are you still living there????

regards,

Johan

Lima Busy
11-25-05, 22:41
I am glad this section is here now.
I also asked jackson to make the same section for the DR as I think many guys are also intrested in living in the DR.
When I was in Lima back in 2002....tghe city realy appeared HUGE to me. First thing i encountered was a pain in my eyes because of the damn smog!
Also i noticed prices of some real estate were rather high.
Night life is great in Lima...and the girls...OOOOO yummie yummie yummie...
Lots of cheap food places which i liked.

Only back draw is that Lima realy hasn't any good (sand) beaches....:-(

Only bad thing was to get a perm visa...is that still a pain in the ass...or what??

Nibu are you still living there????

regards,

Johan

I imagine this section is entitled "Living in Peru" not "Living in Lima" for a reason! Like many of the worlds largest cities, you have to take the good with the bad, or learn to adapt. If smog is a problem (as it is in any major city) the simplest answer is to live in Miraflores as close to the ocean as you can afford. If you do not care for the winters you can keep a winter place in Chosica for year round sun. You want white sand beaches drive a hour to Santa Maria. Limas beaches are for surfers only. Where else do you see businessman with surfboards for that lunch hour ride. Lima's beachfront cliffs are what make it ideal for parasailing.

At $110/sqm for oceanfront property, I doubt any of the other 19 largest cities in the world could compete.

Peru is definetly not a P4P capital, that being said I feel sorry for all the poor schmucks on this board that would consider moving to another country solely based on P4P and I am happy to not be living among them.

If you are looking for a rich history/amazing culture/warm loving people, one of the most beautiful and "The" most biodiverse country on the planet then welcome to Peru!

Oh Yeah, I almost forgot! Nibu is living in Chicago now and is restricted to his own site.

LB

Dick Rambone
11-25-05, 22:51
If you are looking for a rich history/amazing culture/warm loving people, one of the most beautiful and "The" most biodiverse country on the planet then welcome to Peru!

LB


LB,

You forgot to mention the food. One of the best in the world.

Dick

Lima Busy
11-25-05, 23:43
LB,

You forgot to mention the food. One of the best in the world.

Dick
Dick you are right. Most people do not know but there are only 15 branches of the Cordon Bleu in the world (Lima is the only one in SA). Also NoBu as opposed to Nibu is probably one of the most famous chefs in NYC and some say the world and he is from Lima. Not to mention my beautiful young wife who cooks for me everyday and has introduced me to the true pleasures of Soup (pronounced Sopa in espainol). For all you experienced mongers there is nothing more rewarding in Peru then a beautiful young women who asks sheeplishly for "Mas sopa por favor" .

Lb

Dick Rambone
11-25-05, 23:54
Cannot wait to get my "Chupe de Camarones" and ceviche mixto when in Lima.

Shamas
11-26-05, 02:42
Lima is a great town. I can think of lots worst and only a few that compare but none surpass. Bangkok has more action but it´s so pharking hot and so far away. Costa Rica compares but it´s so much smaller and is too dangerous after dark.

Screwed Up
11-28-05, 20:05
any of you guys know of any wi-fi internet areas around miraflores/barranco.
and what companies provide wi-fi internet service. i work from home usually, but thought it be cool to get out and do work from a cafe or a bookstore.

thanks,

vdm
yeah, i like working on wifi in public places too.
knock yourself out: http://www.speedy.com.pe/wf_lg.shtml

the starbucks in la molina next to the cineplanet has free wifi. the starbucks on ovalo gutierrez (san isidro) is free sometimes. otherwise it's $1/min.. to logon for free you need to register at the bottom of their page. the one on oval gutierrez is a 3 sol cab drive from la tiendicieta blanca.

VoodooMan
11-28-05, 22:43
I have been hanging at La Tiendicieta Blanca a real nice swiss cafe on recommendation from Mr. LB. I like sitting outside, and checking the action out, although i don't get much work done :-( I'll try to wander over to Starbucks in La Molina, and check it out.

Lima Busy
11-29-05, 21:34
I have been hanging at La Tiendicieta Blanca a real nice swiss cafe on recommendation from Mr. LB. I like sitting outside, and checking the action out, although i don't get much work done :-( I'll try to wander over to Starbucks in La Molina, and check it out.
VooDooMan,
Glad you like it! give me a pm next time you are working(ja ja) and I will have a cafe with you!
LB

VoodooMan
12-03-05, 04:15
Sure LB, I'll send ya a PM when I'm out there again. We can check out the eye candy.

VDM

ChicagoBoy23
12-12-05, 04:42
Does anybody have a list of US banks which operate in Peru?

Thanks in advance

Maltrufio
01-02-06, 19:09
Notyeraverage,

Regarding banking, don't you get reamed by ATM fees when you withdraw from your US account to transfer to your Peru account? B of A nails me at $6 per withdrawl ($3 for non BofA ATM and $3 for int'l). My business will be taking me back to Lima on a more frequent basis and for longer periods of time and I've been wondering how to deal with the banking problem.

Although my wife already has a peruvian bank account, she has the tendency to take small withdrawls from my US account on a daily basis from the ATM, thereby racking up those fees, rather than taking one large withdrawl per week. Any way I can get out of that (short of going Abu Ghraib on her) would be helpful.

Thanks

Dave_Far
01-03-06, 04:40
Anyone know of a cheap area where the majority of backpackers stay?

Lima Busy
01-03-06, 17:50
I have B of A they used to charge me $5, but now it is only $1.50. I use the atm at Banco Continental which will give $500.00. By the way we are getting 3.40-3.41 NS to the dollar now.
LB

Samu Ray
01-04-06, 01:47
I will take advantage now you people are talking about banking abroad!

If you find yourself in BKK, there is an office of B of A close to soi 2 around
Sukhumvit. You need to have checks. The limit is $ 250 a day for which they
charge 4 bhts.

Lima Busy
01-04-06, 03:07
I will take advantage now you people are talking about banking abroad!

If you find yourself in BKK, there is an office of B of A close to soi 2 around
Sukhumvit. You need to have checks. The limit is $ 250 a day for which they
charge 4 bhts.

If I found myself in bangkok, I think I would need a good map more than my atm card. Really WTF?
LB

NotYerAverage
01-05-06, 01:25
Notyeraverage,

Regarding banking, don't you get reamed by ATM fees when you withdraw from your US account to transfer to your Peru account? B of A nails me at $6 per withdrawl ($3 for non BofA ATM and $3 for int'l). My business will be taking me back to Lima on a more frequent basis and for longer periods of time and I've been wondering how to deal with the banking problem.

Although my wife already has a peruvian bank account, she has the tendency to take small withdrawls from my US account on a daily basis from the ATM, thereby racking up those fees, rather than taking one large withdrawl per week. Any way I can get out of that (short of going Abu Ghraib on her) would be helpful.

ThanksMaltrufio,

I have my US accounts in Citibank, and I use the Citibank ATMs in Lima, and as far as I can tell, I don't pay any service fees for ATM withdrawals at all!

Lima Busy
01-05-06, 05:18
Hmmmmm, off the top of my head, i would probably have to say no (unless you have expertise in pimping,dealing,or weapons smuggling). The #1 job for expats is always teaching (in the private english speaking schools)if you have a teaching degree. The number one reason for getting fired from a teaching position is "mongering in the hallways". It is probably wisest to make your first million in the states and then come down here. As my father alway's said "The only shortcut in life is death" . Another one I liked is "You can't teach a women to save money, only to make it" Now that I think about it Jackson should have a forum for "things our fathers taught us, that we never learned"

LB

NJ Dude II
01-05-06, 23:35
Actually you CAN make money in a poor country but since this involves either addictive brain altering chemicals or rocket propelled grenades I think I'll pass.

Pete

Lima Busy
01-06-06, 15:38
With the election of Morales in Bolivia and the current surge of "Humala" in the polls, I think a ST opportunity to make money selling T'shirts with this logo may be something you could try. New Years Eve I was in Callao and besides the hundreds of Toledo effigies(sp) bieng set a fire, I also saw at least one "Bush".
LB

NJ Dude II
01-07-06, 02:54
If he joins forces with the APRA and the communists against Lourdes, all is lost. He's already got the support of the army. However, to get the nomination, he needs to outsmart Alan Garcia, which is not likely, since Humala's got the brainpower of my left toe.

But, on the other hand, we Peruvians have a long and sad history of catapulting a**holes to power (like Garcia).

Pete

John Sperm
01-07-06, 03:21
As the title implies, there is a legitimate way of making money in Peru, but as with anything it takes money to make money, PM for details .. In a country like Peru the only way is to bring a " New " technology or " unecessary need " and have the sole franchise or full ownership of such and make it a Law, yet with the help of a corrupt politician, that is when the money kicks in, once it becomes a Law. everyone must comply or else gets a fine, case in point " SOAT" who owns one of the biggest if not the biggest Insurance company Peru??? isnt a Politician? by making it a Law all must comply and have the Law do your dirty work.

Johnny Drama
01-07-06, 18:19
Hi guys

This is my first post on the site as I am a new member. I am fairly new to the mogering scene, but have experience in Guangzhou, Tianjin, and Beijing China as well as San Jose & Tamarindo Costa Rica. I am looking to travel to Peru for a month in July of 2006 and would like some information on making my base camp. I've read throughly through the Peru threads since joining, and it sounds like Lima offers the most action, but at a higher cost than other cities. I guess I'm looking for a recommendation outside of Lima where I can rent a nice modern apartment for 1 month at a reasonable price, but still have easy access to gorgeous girls cheaper than those in Lima. I prefer lighter skin tones in my women. From the threads on this board Trujillo and Cusco seem to have lots of action cheaper than Lima. While I wouldnt be opposed to spending 1000 usd per month in a new luxury apartment, I would hope to get something for less outside of Lima, but equally nice. I'd like to know if its possible to setup the rental in advance, and not get ripped off by a local company since I'm an american? Or should I rent a hotel for a few days and hire a local to negotiate a lower rate in the city of my choice? I really appreciate any help you guys can give to a less experienced monger in a new destination. I look forward to in depth and detailed posts in the future about my experiences.

Thanks

Mn Student

Lima Busy
01-08-06, 00:10
Hi guys

This is my first post on the site as I am a new member. I am fairly new to the mogering scene, but have experience in Guangzhou, Tianjin, and Beijing China as well as San Jose & Tamarindo Costa Rica. I am looking to travel to Peru for a month in July of 2006 and would like some information on making my base camp. I've read throughly through the Peru threads since joining, and it sounds like Lima offers the most action, but at a higher cost than other cities. I guess I'm looking for a recommendation outside of Lima where I can rent a nice modern apartment for 1 month at a reasonable price, but still have easy access to gorgeous girls cheaper than those in Lima. I prefer lighter skin tones in my women. From the threads on this board Trujillo and Cusco seem to have lots of action cheaper than Lima. While I wouldnt be opposed to spending 1000 usd per month in a new luxury apartment, I would hope to get something for less outside of Lima, but equally nice. I'd like to know if its possible to setup the rental in advance, and not get ripped off by a local company since I'm an american? Or should I rent a hotel for a few days and hire a local to negotiate a lower rate in the city of my choice? I really appreciate any help you guys can give to a less experienced monger in a new destination. I look forward to in depth and detailed posts in the future about my experiences.

Thanks

Mn Student
I think you are making a BIG mistake about choosing another city over Lima based on prices. The only place you will find new western style accomadations is in Lima. The largest selection of fine pussy is in Lima and prices start at $6.76. The internet chicas and tequilas girls get $40-50. SW can be had for $15-30. If you go to another city your options will run out fast. I have been here for two years and I paid one internet chica and pulled out 1 chica from tequilas. If you have any game,are in good shape,fairly attractive and under 60, I doubt very much you will be paying for anything, especially if you have a nice crib.

Most luxury apartments do not rent out short term. That being said you could get a really nice room at "Nido Inn" for probably $900 or under. You could also stay at the ML for a month for $450.

You may also want to travel and not have a base. In a month you could see Trujillo,Iquitos,Cuzco,Arequippa. If mongering is what you are truly after, Lima is the place as most of the girls come here anyway.

Apartment prices- If you were living here for year you could find a one bedroom luxury rental for $500 a month. Oceanfront High Rise $650-700.

I have a brand new penthouse apartment for rent but it is wayyyyyyyy out of your league. I do know someone who has a furnished studio,no cable,no internet that would do a month lease for $375.

Anyway good luck and if I can help you out more let me know.

LB

Johnny Drama
01-09-06, 01:52
Thanks for the info guys, but after reading a lot of useful information on this site I've decided on Buenos Aires for my trip. Either Jackson's or the Mansion seem like a great place to make a base camp for several weeks.

Pinga
01-14-06, 04:55
If you are looking for a rich history/amazing culture/warm loving people, one of the most beautiful and "The" most biodiverse country on the planet then welcome to Peru! LB You are so right LB. And as someone else mentioned the food is great. Only Quito has as many good attributes for a fun city but on a much smaller scale. Big drawback is that their cuisine is lacking but their cheap prices ( girls,hotels, going out) more than make up for it. I once spend $28 for dinner for four with 2 drinks each at a T.G.I.F. ;unbelievable.

Osafado
01-26-06, 01:26
Please guys, tell me...

If you had the choice to go to Argentina or Peru, which one will you choose for girls? (Pros, non pros)

Thanx

Pinga
01-26-06, 19:45
Please guys, tell me...

If you had the choice to go to Argentina or Peru, which one will you choose for girls? (Pros, non pros)

Thanx Kidding right? You are in the Peru forum so its obvious what we like better. You of course might have a different opinion but if not then lets just say that Lima is a better place to have fun. Better prices, better girls' attitudes, better food and better hospitality from the locals. Only thing better in Argentina IMHO, is the quality of the girls ; maybe a notch higher.

NJ Dude II
01-27-06, 00:33
I've heard from many travellers that the best Argentinian girls can be found in Europe these days. Some people were astonished to find poor quality in Buenos Aires.

PedroNJ

Osafado
01-27-06, 07:17
Did I pissed you just by asking which is the best between thoses 2 countries? Can't I ask that question to people who ve been there? You could be in this forum and like Argentina anyway, Pinga.

Cool it, dudes, you are too serious here.

Pinga
01-28-06, 17:39
Did I pissed you just by asking which is the best between thoses 2 countries? Can't I ask that question to people who ve been there? You could be in this forum and like Argentina anyway, Pinga.

Cool it, dudes, you are too serious here.No, you did not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off and I am sorry if you took it that way. I was stating it more as a personal preference and did not mean to start any discord. And I do like Argentina also though not so much for mongering.

Jon32
01-30-06, 16:08
LimaBusy and anyonone else with housing information,

I might be in Peru (pending confirmation) for the summer for work. Where can I find these one bedroom luxury rentals for $500 a month? A website/number so I can do some further research, and is your friends studio in a nice neighborhood? If so, I'm interested.

And a third question, anyone ever heard of an american attorney making a living down there?

Thanks everyone

Lima Busy
01-30-06, 21:53
LimaBusy and anyonone else with housing information,

I might be in Peru (pending confirmation) for the summer for work. Where can I find these one bedroom luxury rentals for $500 a month? A website/number so I can do some further research, and is your friends studio in a nice neighborhood? If so, I'm interested.

And a third question, anyone ever heard of an american attorney making a living down there?

Thanks everyone
Here is a good place to start, to get a feel for things. (http://www.viabcp.com/viainmuebles/) My friends place is a small studio in a good area of miraflores for $375 ++. Do your research and if you do not find something I can put you in touch with my friends agent. I would strongly suggest you find out where in Peru you will be working (Lima) you will be working and get a place close by, if it is in a good neighborhood!

LB

Jon32
02-01-06, 01:06
Hey, thanks a lot! If everything works out, beers on me. I need to pick your brain over a drink to find out where I can pick up non-pros while I'm there. I know here it's the beach, but I read there isn't much of a beach there (cliffs).

Lima Busy
02-01-06, 01:58
Hey, thanks a lot! If everything works out, beers on me. I need to pick your brain over a drink to find out where I can pick up non-pros while I'm there. I know here it's the beach, but I read there isn't much of a beach there (cliffs).
The best beaches to pick up chicks are south of here 1/2-1 hr drive. I do not know what hemisphere you are in but it is mid summer here now. Like alot of big cities every day on the street provides ample opportunity.

Screwed Up
02-02-06, 19:35
Did someone say beach?...

The pics were taken on a bad foggy moment. Nobody really cares though. It's summer, so it's beach time.

Screwed Up
02-03-06, 16:44
I went to Festival Kallpa 2006 yesterday. Yaga y Mackie and Don Omar were the reggeaton performers. The latin pop/rock performers couldn't heat up the crowd like the reggeaton does.
Anyway, this post would be useless without pics of cuties hanging around. So here they are.

Screwed Up
02-03-06, 16:47
Some more pics.

Maltrufio
02-04-06, 00:48
I just read the 2005 cost of living index and noted Lima is ranked with a COL of 66.9 (as compared to NY with 100), making it the most expensive city in South America. How much trust should I put in this number for calculating my expat package? I find it hard to believe Lima outranks BA, Santiago, or even Montevideo.

NJ Dude II
02-04-06, 01:11
. Because oil prices in Lima are up the roof, probably the highest in Latin america. Since only 40 % of working Peruvian dudes pay taxes, the only way the government can get some revenue is taxing oil. I've seen people buying 5 soles' worth of gasoline. Otherwise food and living expenses are low and if you use taxis for commute you'll live like a king with $ 1000 a month.

PedroNJ

Maltrufio
02-05-06, 19:05
I worked in Peru in the mid 90s for a few years, but traveled outside of the country every couple months and always re-entered on a tourist visa. My paycheck was deposited directly to my US account and I never paid any income taxes in Peru.

In my current opportunity, I’ll be living permanently in Lima; however, my employer is not a US or Peruvian entity. If my salary is deposited outside of Peru, do I still have to claim it? Is the Peruvian equivalent of the IRS sophisticated enough to track me down?

What other tricks are there? If you don’t want to post the answer, I can be emailed at my username at yahoo dot com.

Maltrufio
02-06-06, 19:13
. ...you'll live like a king with $ 1000 a month.

PedroNJ

Pedro, I'm old and married (to a Peruvian), with a couple of kids in school. $1k a month will barely cover my wife's shopping habits, not to mention private school for the brats.

Lima Busy
02-06-06, 20:21
Here is a little blurb about Illegal aliens in Peru!
Illegal foreigners


In between 8-10 foreigners who reside in Peru are extradited every month and prohibited return, informed the Dirección General de Migraciones y Naturalización (Digemin).
The people who are thrown out are, because they did not renew their foreigner documents, for working with no authorization, for staying over the permitted period of time set by the migratory authorities and for handing in false documents when entering the country, said the chief of the Digemin, Diómedes Díaz Horna. He explained that the maximum period of time a foreigner with a tourist visa can say in Peru is 120 days and s/he is not permitted to work.
He also commented that the majority of illegal foreigners residing in Peru are Americans (3.524), Chinese (2.058), Colombians (1.682), and, Argentineans (1.533).

Welcome to the club!
LB

NJ Dude II
02-06-06, 23:33
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

(Lana Turner)

Pinga
02-07-06, 03:58
A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man.

(Lana Turner)Very well stated. And I agree with you on the cost of living compared to other Latin countries.

Maltrufio
02-14-06, 19:59
Is enrollment in an AFP or other state retirement system obligatory or can you opt to not participate?

Truant
02-17-06, 06:35
I understand with a kid in school (private) in Lima there is a mandatory annual "insurance " fee of about $100US that covers the tuition of kids whose parents or parent has passed away. In other words, kind of like life insurance that pays the proceeds in tuition for the kid left behind. Anyone confirm this? Not a big expense but it is there on top of monthly tuition.

Roberto Burns
02-21-06, 01:32
If I wanted to spend a month in Lima what would be a rough estimate of the cost.

Let's say I have 2k as my budget and do not plan on mongering like crazy or anything.

El Jugador
04-07-06, 03:42
hey guys,

i been an avid reader of the peru boards for sometime, and finally i'm taking the plunge in may and moving to lima for an undetermined amount of time.

i just had a few simple questions:

as far as banking is concerned, what are the most readily available us bank atm's in lima. someone i believe mentioned citibank, is this true?

i want to keep all my money in the banks in the us, and just withdraw from atm's.
also, as far as a place to live, i think miraflores or barranco would be the best choices for me. i'll probably shack at a hotel until a find a furnished apt. where can i look to find apartments available? newspaper, online, ect?

also, my work in the us requires me to have high speed internet. for my laptop. after getting an apartment for rent, generally how quickly can highspeed internet be installed. in the states sometimes theres a 2-3 week lag.

question about clothing, im a fairly tall guy at 6'4 210lbs, is it easy to find clothing in lima for big guys. i know in china it was such a pain to find clothes that fit. would it better to just do my shopping in us. i was just hoping to bring as little as possible.

sorry for the rambling,

thanks.

Lima Busy
04-07-06, 21:50
Jugador,
ATM's all over Lima accept debit/credit cards. There currently are no USA banks in Peru. Citi Bank here is not connected to the USA.

You can search online for apartments or use el commercio!
Probably better off staying in a hotel that has internet as unless you get a phone line installed in your name, you probably will not be able to get it.

Lots of tailors in Lima so clothes are no problem.

I think you should have done more research before moving to another country.
But you will figure it out.Try joining the ex-pat group as they will be more helpful to you.
LB

NotYerAverage
04-08-06, 12:24
For those of you that have broadband Internet service in your Lima homes, a new company owned by US investors living in Lima (I am one of them) is offering Vonage-style voice-over-Internet-protocol service to Lima residents. You can check it out at www.voicered.com. A basic monthly package cost $20 and includes 500 minutes to the USA, free in-bound calls, and a USA telephone number from the area code of your choice (nobody needs to know you're chilling in Peru when they call you at your USA phone number and it rings in your Miraflores apartment!).

PM me if you want more info. The tech guy is an gringo from St. Paul, so he can set you up quick.

NotYerAverage
04-08-06, 12:40
hey guys,

i been an avid reader of the peru boards for sometime, and finally i'm taking the plunge in may and moving to lima for an undetermined amount of time.

i just had a few simple questions:

as far as banking is concerned, what are the most readily available us bank atm's in lima. someone i believe mentioned citibank, is this true?

i want to keep all my money in the banks in the us, and just withdraw from atm's.
also, as far as a place to live, i think miraflores or barranco would be the best choices for me. i'll probably shack at a hotel until a find a furnished apt. where can i look to find apartments available? newspaper, online, ect?

also, my work in the us requires me to have high speed internet. for my laptop. after getting an apartment for rent, generally how quickly can highspeed internet be installed. in the states sometimes theres a 2-3 week lag.

question about clothing, im a fairly tall guy at 6'4 210lbs, is it easy to find clothing in lima for big guys. i know in china it was such a pain to find clothes that fit. would it better to just do my shopping in us. i was just hoping to bring as little as possible.

sorry for the rambling,

thanks.jugador,

there are a lot of atms all over lima. i have my us accounts at citibank, and i can withdraw funds at almost all of the atms in lima with no problem, including the atms belonging to banco de credito, peru's largest bank. bcp atms are everywhere.

it's a real pain getting speedy installed, but it's the only viable residential broadband service in lima. make sure you opt for speedy 400 or better (cost around $32 per month) or you won't be happy with the service. since speedy is dsl, you have to first have your basic phone line installed before ordering it. make sure you go directly to a telefonica service center (since as the one on ave. benavides in miraflores), and not an agency to order your service. the agencies jerk you around trying to get you to buy extra services. for example, don't let them sell you terra isp service; it's useless. expect to wait a week for your phone to be installed, and another week to two weeks for speedy. if they tell you it will be faster, don't believe them.

when you order your phone, you can ask for a full, unrestricted connection like the one you are used to in the states. most peruvians want the pacakages that control costs by limiting connection times and calls to cellular phones, but those drive me crazy. i'd rather spend a bit more and be able to call when and where i want.

you won't be able to find any clothes that fit someone your height in lima -- i am only 6' and there's nothing for me here. bring your clothes and remember that may is late fall and that lima winters are damp and chilly. don't expect to see the sun in lima until december.

living in lima is a constant challenge, but i love it. i don't think you will be sorry you gave it a try.

Screwed Up
04-08-06, 17:40
...You won't be able to find any clothes that fit someone your height in Lima -- I am only 6' and there's nothing for me here...
Weird, I´m 1m87 (over 6´) and I have no problem. I buy ALL my clothes at Polvos Azules in La victoria.

NotYerAverage
04-09-06, 05:37
Weird, I´m 1m87 (over 6´) and I have no problem. I buy ALL my clothes at Polvos Azules in La victoria.True, and you can also have your clothes tailor made in Lima for pretty reasonable prices. But if yoú like name-brand, high-end clothes, I doubt that a guy 6'7" is going to have many options in Lima.

El Jugador
04-11-06, 02:19
True, and you can also have your clothes tailor made in Lima for pretty reasonable prices. But if yoú like name-brand, high-end clothes, I doubt that a guy 6'7" is going to have many options in Lima.Thanks Guys,

I will probably wind up just rented a room with broadband until i get an apartment set up with the internet. That Vonage-style internet phone sounds like something id be interested in, especially i will be making many business related calls back to USA. Can you PM more info, i tried to look over that site, but my Spanish is not yet perfect.

Screwed Up, I know you know your way around the non-pro scene, what are your favorite non-pro pubs/discos in the barranco/miraflores area?
I'm not so much into the p4p scene, not to say i cant have my arm twisted, but just prefer to hook up with the np's

Yes I heard about Lima's overcast weather, but so i hear it hardly rains.

I dont mind the chilly weather, as long as I have a warm chica next to me.

Maltrufio
04-17-06, 23:42
Anybody know anything about la Encantada de Villa on the south end of Chorrillos? Its next to the golf course there by the pantanos. Houses look big, nice, and relatively cheap.

Description from a Lima real estate site: In the south of Lima, la Encantada de Villa is one of the smartest districts of the city. More and more foreigners choose to live in this original, stylish, safe and serene area which offers properties built directly on the beach. Only two entries, which are guarded night and day, make it possible to access this peaceful paradise.

Lima Busy
04-18-06, 19:50
Mea Culpa!

Screwed Up
04-28-06, 05:07
Thanks Guys,

I will probably wind up just rented a room with broadband until i get an apartment set up with the internet...

Screwed Up, I know you know your way around the non-pro scene, what are your favorite non-pro pubs/discos in the barranco/miraflores area?
I'm not so much into the p4p scene, not to say i cant have my arm twisted, but just prefer to hook up with the np's...
A room with broadband? I´ve looked into that months ago and the easiest and cheapest I could do is a room at the Nido Inn for $32 with internet in room. Most places for that price don´t have broadband and if a place does have it, prices are generally around the $40-60.

About non-pro, this is what I emailed a friend in February and it was pretty accurate for party action at the time.

Sunday
- Tequila Rocks in Av. La Marina (San Miguel) 7-8 soles cab from Miraflores.

Monday
- Most disco´s are closed and the only option left is Tequila Rocks, Miraflores (pro´s)
- Boulevard de Barranco if you´re lucky. Tons of disco´s and bars right next to each other. 4 soles cab from Miraflores

Tuesday
- maybe the disco´s in Larcomar, Miraflores
- Tequila Rocks, Miraflores (pro´s)

Wednesday
- Etheria in San Borja. Calle Ucello 220 (Una Cuadra de Javier Prado con Aviacion, espalda de Plaza Vea). 5-6 soles cab from Miraflores
thanks to Hoof Hunter for this one

Thursday - Saturday
- Bierhaus in Barranco, Boulevard de Barranco, 4 soles cab from Miraflores
- disco´s in Larcomar, Miraflores

Friday - Saturday
- Calle Esperanza, right off Parque Kennedy: Bierhaus of Casa Vieja hit or miss, the last few times I went to these places it wasn´t that good
- Calle de las Pizzas, hit or miss, only untill 2 - 3 AM
- Calle San Martin 443, Pub Cubano
- Calle San Martin, Phuket (older crowd)
- Tequila Rocks, Miraflores (pro´s), only after 2 - 3 AM

If you like rougher parts of town where you will be the one and only foreigner try Boulevard de Los Olivos. Tons of disco´s and bars right next to each other. 10-12 soles cab from Miraflores. But don´t worry there is lots of security.

Add one sol "gringo-tax" to the cab prices mentioned, but not more.

Gringo Loco #2
04-30-06, 04:16
How is the environment in Lima right now? By environment, I am referring to the receptiveness of peruanas (not pros) to gringos. Are they interested in long-term relationships or just a quick buck. Are the mongers spoiling them by throwing cash at them? Any advice?

Also, I would appreciate a little info on the physical environment. Last time I was in Lima, I froze my butt off. Also, it was depressing not seeing the sun during my stay in Miraflores. Any suggestions for a safe, inexpensive hotel a little more inland and away from the fog? I am going to spend a few weeks in Lima and would appreciate any advice on housing.

Thanks guys!

Lima Busy
04-30-06, 19:49
How is the environment in Lima right now? By environment, I am referring to the receptiveness of peruanas (not pros) to gringos. Are they interested in long-term relationships or just a quick buck. Are the mongers spoiling them by throwing cash at them? Any advice?

Also, I would appreciate a little info on the physical environment. Last time I was in Lima, I froze my butt off. Also, it was depressing not seeing the sun during my stay in Miraflores. Any suggestions for a safe, inexpensive hotel a little more inland and away from the fog? I am going to spend a few weeks in Lima and would appreciate any advice on housing.

Thanks guys!
Has definetly had some minor affects and the chica's do seem a tad hotter. Your prospects with non pro's should definetly mirror your last experience.It is all a function of looks/age/personality/Language skills your intended target and of course to a lesser extent money.

Well I do not know where you live but I have yet to see anybody freeze there butts off. If that is a problem most highend hotels have heat and air. If you want sun "Chosica" is the place you should be looking or possibly you will get some sun in San Borja or La Molina. Right now as we are headed to winter it is 75 and Sunny.Possibly change your plans DEC-MAYis the best weather (like living in San Diego)

LB

Maltrufio
05-03-06, 18:08
Just checking on the political climate and how Peruvians in general feel about the recent events in Bolivia. Polls that I have access to here in the states show Garcia slightly ahead of Humala, but I'm afraid of all the Che t-shirt wearing dumb-fucks in Bolivia stirring up nationalistic rhetoric.

Lima Busy
05-03-06, 21:52
Just checking on the political climate and how Peruvians in general feel about the recent events in Bolivia. Polls that I have access to here in the states show Garcia slightly ahead of Humala, but I'm afraid of all the Che t-shirt wearing dumb-fucks in Bolivia stirring up nationalistic rhetoric.
Maltrufio, Come on down the waters fine!
I did read this article today in the NYT's and thought it was interesting.

The revolt of Latin American voters against the political class began in Peru in 1990, with the election of an obscure agronomy professor named Alberto Fujimori. The anti-establishment mood has spread, leading to populist soldiers and a coca grower taking the presidencies of Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia. Now Peru may elect the most dangerous leader yet. Last month Ollanta Humala, a military man whose family advocates the shooting of gays, Jews and Chilean investors, came in first in presidential elections. Since Mr. Humala did not get 50 percent, there will be a runoff on May 28.

More bad news: the other candidate will be Alan García, a spectacularly irresponsible and corrupt president in the late 1980's who wrecked Peru's economy and presided over the commission of widespread war crimes. This sorry duo topped a field that included several excellent candidates.

The roots of the appalling choice facing Peruvians are evident. As in Venezuela, traditional politicians in Peru have failed to improve the lives of the majority, especially indigenous people. The current president, Alejandro Toledo, has presided over five years of peace, lowered corruption and sustained the strongest economic growth in Latin America. Yet his approval rating is in the single digits. Mr. Toledo squandered the opportunity seized by countries like Chile and Mexico to spread the benefits of growth through targeted education, health or rural development programs.

Both candidates would make things worse. Mr. Humala is no fan of democracy and wants to hold a constituent assembly to rewrite Peru's Constitution. He was an army captain in command of a military base during Peru's war with the Shining Path guerrillas. There is credible testimony from several families in his zone that men directly under his command tortured and killed peasants, and that he participated in terrorizing and ransacking the business of a storeowner who demanded payment from his soldiers. Many of his closest aides have ties to Vladimiro Montesinos, a jailed racketeer.

All this is widely known in Peru, yet a large chunk of voters are unbothered. There could be no clearer warning than this of the importance of economic development that includes the poor.

Adelante Siempre
05-04-06, 05:44
Maltrufio, Come on down the waters fine!

Both candidates would make things worse. Mr. Humala is no fan of democracy and wants to hold a constituent assembly to rewrite Peru's Constitution. He was an army captain in command of a military base during Peru's war with the Shining Path guerrillas. There is credible testimony from several families in his zone that men directly under his command tortured and killed peasants, and that he participated in terrorizing and ransacking the business of a storeowner who demanded payment from his soldiers. Many of his closest aides have ties to Vladimiro Montesinos, a jailed racketeer.

All this is widely known in Peru, yet a large chunk of voters are unbothered. There could be no clearer warning than this of the importance of economic development that includes the poor.

There is an army base in Peru where you can see from the road the giant sign "La Guerra Es Man~ana". This maybe a slogan for preparedness, but under a nationalist leader like Humala, I would say that Ecuador with its oilfields and border disputes with Peru has more to worry about this election.

Realistically, Peruvians have Fujimori to thank for eliminating the Shining Path menace across the country side. The maoist Shining Path was just as ruthless with the peasants if they refused to cooperate. According to some numbers I have seen in the papers there, some 60,000 peasants were killed by the security forces under Garcia and Fujimori. These peasants were appearently aiding the Shining Path in some manner. The fact is that both sides were ruthless in their methods.

The economic progress under Toledo would hardly have been possible without clearing the countryside of the guerillas. In fact, Toledo has gotten soft on the Shining Path and as a result the Shining Path is making a comeback in some areas of Peru.

One may argue that the bitterness of the fight may be the outgrowth of chronic social injustice in the country. This maybe, but whoever is going to be the president of Peru, they are going to have to come down hard on the Shining Path and still be credible to the majority of the people in Peru to reform the system; someone whom both the Shining Path, and the politicos fear. I wouldn't give up on Humala yet.

Democracy is a system of government for equals. It is naive to think that democracy can thrive until more people see some benefit from that system.

Gringo Loco #2
05-05-06, 04:12
What ever happened to "Make Love Not War?"

After all, this is the International Sex Guide.

Screwed Up
05-05-06, 21:06
I went to Etheria Wednesday. Packing as usual. Actually this time there were more women than men as opposed to last time I went there in Febrary.
Lots of hotties, and most of them in groups without men (take that Colombia).
Ended up dancing with this tiny girl. She wasn´t as hot as some other chicks I was checking, but the character made up for it. She also has her own business. Yesterday I found out she was 4 yrs older than me (29). Took her to the movies than to my place, fucking, BBJTC, CIM.
Total cost? Cab 3 sol, movies 15 sol.
She wanted to leave at 3am to go home, but was so tired she ended up staying untill 7am. Had to work at 9.

Lima Busy
05-05-06, 21:20
Took her to the movies than to my place, fucking, BBJTC, CIM.
Total cost? Cab 3 sol, movies 15 sol.
She wanted to leave at 3am to go home, but was so tired she ended up staying untill 7am. Had to work at 9.
Screwedup, It is guys like you who are driving up prices for us gringos and ruining the market! Only take girls to the movies on Monday nights when it is 2x1, That way we can keep prices for a TLN with a non-pro hottie under $3.00.
You also could have saved a sole by taking a combi, but at least she did not jack you up for popcorn like some of the girls do.

Anyway glad to hear you are back!

LB

FlyingAce
05-06-06, 03:25
Cab .... 3 sol
Movies ... 15 sol
Took her to the movies than to my place, fucking, BBJTC, CIM ... priceless!

Sorry, just couldn't resist....

Flyingace

Lima Busy
05-06-06, 03:58
cab .... 3 sol
movies ... 15 sol
took her to the movies than to my place, fucking, bbjtc, cim ... priceless!

sorry, just couldn't resist....

flyingace
flyingace, heard you were back! you guys did some serious jd damage down at cafe z . i meant to post a report about the "madonna" club but got busy. anyway the joint looks good, no cover but they banged me pretty good for drinks when i moved from the bar into that glassed in room. i had a hour to kill before i met up with the wife. i was there less then 30 sec. when i met *****, a beautiful face/great personality and a killer little body. the time flew by and i am embarassed to tell the board what i spent for a couple of feel's, a kiss and a peek at that fine shaved little box but i had a great time and it cost less than the casino. i also have to add that the wife was particularly pleased with the mojo that night. i hope all is well!

lb

FlyingAce
05-06-06, 13:25
Well, I've been in town for a few weeks, today leave for Tarapoto and Tres Unidos with the family for a week or two (little mongering activity if the opportunity arises). Then off to the US for a month or two (Florida).

Flyingace

Lima Busy
05-07-06, 19:22
I have seen various attempts on these boards to profile the average monger either by age or socioeconomic status. I for one always thought most were in there 50’s like me. This belief came out of the fact that I never paid for sex directly until I was well into my forties. I like many others used to look down on people who p4p and more so, on those who traveled solely for the hobby.

The reality is most guys’s that I have met either thru my penthouse or that I have met thru the boards are quite different. Some are married (like me), a lot divorced and others who have never considered a monogamous life style. I have come to realize that guys even p4p out of preference as opposed to necessity.

I have hung out with guy’s as young as 22 and as old as 64. I used to try to keep up with or compete directly with guy’s like Screwed up (who I have great respect for) but have come to realize that I have passed my prime and would rather go to bed than chase tail until 8 in the morning.

Don’t get me wrong I still love the chase; I am just not that interested in the prize. I find that 90% of the women can not hold a candle to my wife and I would never want to lose her. My wife knows my past, reads the forum with me and has met a lot of you in person.

Recently, I have been into accompanying mongers to various venues and instead of actively participating, I have had a great time just chatting up new and old chica’s.

Several days a week I have been leaving the car in the garage and traveling to work by Combi. I find I meet a lot of girls this way and at times I have ended up far from my intended destination as I change Combi’s when I see a particularly hot chica waiting on the corner.

It is obviously one of the great advantages of living or spending time in Peru. I now regret that I encapsulated myself in Miraflores for the past 2 years.

To give you an example: This past Tuesday I was traveling from Callao to Miraflores. I caught a Combi in front of the house and traveled a few miles but there was nothing of interest on my combi or on the street. This was probably a factor of time as I was traveling about 12 in the afternoon. I ended up jumping off in San Miguel and grabbing a different one. As I boarded there was a seat next to a 23 y/o hottie which I grabbed pretending not to notice her. A few minutes later the conductor came by and I gave him S/.2 for an S/.1.20 fare. He gave me 50 centimos change and I was not going to argue over the other 9 cents.

Well the hottie whose name was Andrea saw all this and told me I had gotten screwed. I told her it was ok, but she insisted on getting me the correct change. After pointing it out to the conductor he proceeded to give me my correct change. This naturally led to a conversation whereby I learned her name, age and place of employment (later corrected).
When we arrived in Miraflores we were having such a good time I did not want it to end.

I invited her for coffee and a doughnut at dunkin doughnuts and she readily accepted. While there she asked me why I lived in Callao and had an apartment in Miraflores. I explained my story, marital status and showed her pictures of my kids. I asked her if she had time and wanted to see the penthouse. She agreed and we walked over. Upon seeing the place she was impressed and started the touching thing. I did not resist as I was obviously flattered. During this she confided that she did not work at a telemarketing firm but at a BT here in Miraflores. She offered to give me a massage which immediately triggered an argument between the two midgets on my shoulders. I told her I would take her up on it in the future but had a meeting I was late for. We parted way’s down on the street and I basked in the warm afterglow of my conscience.

For most of you guy’s this is a pretty lame story, for me one or two similar encounters a week is all I need and I can spend my hard earned cash on good food and whiskey!

LB

NJ Dude II
05-07-06, 21:31
8 beers ....... 24 soles
4 margaritas ...... 32 soles
1 pisco sour ...... 8 soles

Taking her home after she
drank all of the above ........... priceless



Cab .... 3 sol
Movies ... 15 sol
Took her to the movies than to my place, fucking, BBJTC, CIM ... priceless!

Sorry, just couldn't resist....

Flyingace

Gringo Loco #2
05-11-06, 04:29
The truth of the matter is that, in general, tourists are not very nice people. They are not really interested in long-term friendships and think they can treat people poorly and then skip town. Ugly gringos tend to make the locals think that all gringos are "uneducated" SOBs.

The worst is when they inflate prices by overpaying the local talent, thus making it more costly to the ex-pats that are the primary board contributors and often living on a tight budget. To give you an example, I met the most incredible chica of my life, but another gringo got to her first and paid her 10 times the normal going rate. Consequently, she expected the inflated amount from all gringos. She was just incredible - my life long dream! Unfortunately, she expected too much cash and gave poor service due to contamination by a gringo tourist.

In a nutshell, the contributors of this board are often hurting themselves by kindly helping non-contributors who only do damage, complain and inflate prices. How ironic!

Lima Busy
05-11-06, 22:08
The truth of the matter is that, in general, tourists are not very nice people. They are not really interested in long-term friendships and think they can treat people poorly and then skip town. Ugly gringos tend to make the locals think that all gringos are "uneducated" SOBs.

The worst is when they inflate prices by overpaying the local talent, thus making it more costly to the ex-pats that are the primary board contributors and often living on a tight budget. To give you an example, I met the most incredible chica of my life, but another gringo got to her first and paid her 10 times the normal going rate. Consequently, she expected the inflated amount from all gringos. She was just incredible - my life long dream! Unfortunately, she expected too much cash and gave poor service due to contamination by a gringo tourist.

In a nutshell, the contributors of this board are often hurting themselves by kindly helping non-contributors who only do damage, complain and inflate prices. How ironic!
Gringo, I am going to have to disagree with you in regard to the expat pricing issue.
First of all most of the expats living here are fairly affluent and can easily afford the top price $100.00 if they chose too pay it. Secondly, Expats as a group rarely take part in P4P, although some will grab a pro from tequilas to live with them for a month or two when in between girlfriends. Although all my friends have been to Tequilas, none have been to a Banos Turco, Troc or cucaradas. Also they have never been to Eclispe,peppers,madonna,emanualle or the dozens of other nightclubs.

For the most part in the old day's (last 2 years)All one had to do was wait in one of the "Gringo bars" or around the park and they came to you. Those day's have changed and the action in Miraflores has changed as well.

For awhile all the early semi-pro, non-pro action moved into the "Flying Dog" and up until recently it was the place for guy's in the know. Recently it has become big with the gay crowd.

One constant in Miraflores nightlife has and always will be David's favorite hangout "Tequila's". I also beg to differ with him on the pricing situation there.

It is well known that the going rate is $60.00. It is also known that the price for regulars "guy's with VIP cards" is $40.00. Be that as it may, I have had at least 6 guy's staying in my apartment in the last few months from NYC who have all insisted on paying $100.00 for TLN even after I coached them on prices.

Most of you have met my buddy Ian at one time or another. He is a 55 y/o 5ft tall international monger currently residing in Lima. For the past few months he has been dating a 6ft PNP officer. He dumped her a few days ago and is currently in a dry spell. Last night he went to Tequila's at about 12pm and pulled out a beautiful 23 y/o semi pro. Because he has a nice pad she stayed until 12 this morning for the whopping sum of 50 soles ($15). While I am not suggesting that others can duplicate this, It has a unwarranted reputation for being overpriced and will always be one of Lima's great fall back options.

LB

John Sperm
05-12-06, 02:33
Times that I been in Lima the highest I've paid for Puss has been 140 soles for a nice ...17... year old girl from a sauna hour and a half, been to Eclipse and peppers and those girls do not appeal to me... too fake emotions.. at least if I am with a ***** I would like the girl to at least show some emotion...

Screwed Up
05-12-06, 17:47
Screwedup, It is guys like you who are driving up prices for us gringos and ruining the market! Only take girls to the movies on Monday nights when it is 2x1, That way we can keep prices for a TLN with a non-pro hottie under $3.00.
You also could have saved a sole by taking a combi, but at least she did not jack you up for popcorn like some of the girls do.

Anyway glad to hear you are back!

LB
You´re absolutely right ;-) lol
So I had another date Sunday with a big titted girl non-pro I met in 443 on Thursday and met again on Saturday.
I was thirsty so we went for a orange juice, 5 sol each. We talked a lil but she doesn´t seem to be a big talker. She said what about movies, so I said cool, but I left my glasses at my place.
I checked online and the movie we wanted to see didn´t start untill 2 hrs later, so we talk, I show some travel pictures. I start kissing her, but she turns away a lil bit. I´m like fuck. Thinking she isn´t into me that much, that´s why she doesn´t talk much.
BUT we end up kissing, she seems to get hornier by the minute. Then stops and says she should go before she does something she will regret. I´m like you don´t want to go to the movies anymore? She´s it´s ok.
We kiss some more, I start pushing down her skirt, manage to lick her tits, more titty licking. Then all of a sudden she gets up, takes of her top and bra. THERE YOU GO! I guess we both know what´s up next.
Good sex, ok BJ. She left an hour later, was too tired for movies.
Total chica cost: 5 soles
Are you happy now, LB? Haahahaaa
The next day we went to the movies, it was a Monday 2x1. She was about to have her period so she didn´t really want to fuck at first, but as I wanted to go for titty fucking with CIM, I guess she changed her mind. Another great long session this time making more use of the mirror I have and some titty fucking.
It turned out she wasn´t into me that much at first as I was making out completely drunk with a blonde friend of her friend in 443 on Friday. I forgot my cell phone on the bar counter. Called my cell the next day and the blonde chick picked up and said she would return it to me that night in the club, which she did. I didn´t even remember anything from that Friday.

Although not as dirty as I´m used to from you, I liked that Combi pick-up story. A hot chick arguing with somebody for your 0.30 soles. Love it.

About Tequila, I haven´t been there for over a week now, which for me is amazing. I don´t pay entrance anymore. The last few times I was there I saw too few new faces. And normally it has at least some non-pro´s, but now all were on the job. My hang-out buddy´s don´t really like the place that much anymore, so that´s another reason to go less. But I always love to go there drinking with a fellow monger watching the hoes.
It´s true, it´s hit or miss.

Gringo Loco #2
05-16-06, 02:19
Gringoloco,

I know many guy's that do not have to work after selling multiple properties in NY and California and have come down here with several million. I know guy's with high paying jobs with the World Bank/heads of NGO's and and even teaching couples pulling in $80,000.00. I know hedge fund managers,day traders and guy's running (Ahem) export businesses. I know Geologist's and Geophysicist's with there own consulting firms. Not to mention the computer and software consultants and a nod too our friend in the internet porn business. At 52 I am one of the more senior members of the community.I have friends (expats) here from 22 years old to about 64, with the majority in their 30's-40's.LB, good to know that not all the expats in Peru are 55-year old tightwad dwarfs like your buddy Ian. But seriously, I must be hanging out with the wrong expat crowd because most of the expats I have met in Peru have been lowlife hustlers who live off the tourist trade with various scams. Seriously, I think a lot of them come to Peru to avoid the police back in the U.S. Some come because you can abuse people in Peru with relatively little cash. I really haven't met many educated, wealthy, expats who have been helping peruvians - just the opposite.

Great to hear that your expat crowd is so outstanding!

Love Lima
05-16-06, 07:43
I got back from my second trip to Lima about a month ago... I loved the place more than the first trip I had in Feb. I started thinking about moving there for long term stay(like 1-3 yrs or till I get tired of it...). When I was there in April, I have checked out couple properties in Miraflores/Barranco with a help of a realtor in the U.S. whom she happen to be a Peruvian, arranged my visit to those properties.

Now, I am thinking...how can I move to Lima without making drastic changes to my life especially on those things that I do not intend to change.

As a first step, I started a 'very' basic research. I found some potential problems: uncertain political future(this would affact everything there), segregations between the socio-economic classes in the society (a spark that can ingnite the house), relatively small domestic market (24 million people with low per capita income and challenging road systems that connect the markets ), Finally, high number of low income people with very few people who own too much ( lands, banks, insurance company, mines) and lack of( to my ignorant eyes) social system or government that can balance this.

To me, what I found looks like an excellent recipe for a social turmoil. But, I dare to believe it is going to be O.K. next 2-3 years.

So, I still want to move to Lima:

I am in electronics (communications equipments) manufacturing and military logistics support business in the U.S. Some of the manufacturing is out sourced to China. We also import some specialized garment and other products from the far-east.

I am in the mid 40s and that is way too young not to do anything thus, I believe I have to move some support structure with me to Peru.

Now, how can I support myself in Lima is the question and I would love to hear from those who are already settled:

Following are some thoughts I had:

(1) Open my electronics assembly operation in Peru (Low wage in Peru) - Unfortunately, my product is low volume item, I can not justify having a factory here in Lima to manufacture a small quantity high precision opto-electronics with unproven (skilled) workers.

(2) Engage in mineral trading (export; copper, cotton, wool or iron) - seems like all the BIG boys got there way ahead of me and requires very heavy capital layout....

(3)Import consumer’s electronics from Far East (Japan, Korea and China) and find a way to sell....

(4) Just go School/play golf - Solution for the first six month...

Could you please add your ideas/ recommendations?

Thanks,
Love Lima.

Maltrufio
05-16-06, 18:30
(1) Open my electronics assembly operation in Peru (Low wage in Peru) - Unfortunately, my product is low volume item, I can not justify having a factory here in Lima to manufacture a small quantity high precision opto-electronics with unproven (skilled) workers.

Alternatively you can outsource your assembly to an existing facility. If you're interested, I can check with my buddies that operate a specialty electronics assembly and service business. They're non-english speakers though, so take that in to consideration. Private message me if interested.

Lima Busy
05-16-06, 19:07
LB, good to know that not all the expats in Peru are 55-year old tightwad dwarfs like your buddy Ian. But seriously, I must be hanging out with the wrong expat crowd because most of the expats I have met in Peru have been lowlife hustlers who live off the tourist trade with various scams. Seriously, I think a lot of them come to Peru to avoid the police back in the U.S. Some come because you can abuse people in Peru with relatively little cash. I really haven't met many educated, wealthy, expats who have been helping peruvians - just the opposite.

Great to hear that your expat crowd is so outstanding!
Gringo Loco #2,
You are definetly hanging with the wrong crowd! I also believe you are probably correct in that there are many "Hustler's" in Peru, though I doubt they last long.

I do not remember saying that the the expat crowd on the whole is altruistic, although in any given group there is a bell curve. Peru or SA for that matter is not for everyone and judging by your tone, I would tend to believe this applies to you. However many of us grew tired of the USA/Europe for various reasons and have decided to get married, have children and start businesses in order to make (insert favorite country here) our home.

Alot of expats first discovered Peru through there work with the embassy/DEA/CIA/ NGO's or International companies and fell in love with the culture and the people. Most are extremely well traveled and have held posts in most of the world's major capital's.

Love Lima,
Welcome to the club. It is a long and difficult process to establish a legit business here. You are correct in your assessment of SA and things can and due change fast down here. I would probably suggest that you set up yourself to commute back and forth as you said you may grow tired of Lima after a few years. Most guy's I know lived in many different parts of the world before settling on SA ( I however am the exception).
LB

Love Lima
05-16-06, 20:00
Alternatively you can outsource your assembly to an existing facility. If you're interested, I can check with my buddies that operate a specialty electronics assembly and service business. They're non-english speakers though, so take that in to consideration. Private message me if interested.Well, I am not "paid" patron here thus, can not send you a rpviate e-mail.

Any other suggested methods ?

Maltrufio
05-16-06, 21:27
Well, I am not "paid" patron here thus, can not send you a rpviate e-mail. Any other suggested methods ?

Check the upper right hand corner of this site, just below your username. I just sent you a private message with my contact info.

Love Lima
05-17-06, 02:03
I saw a construction of an high-rise apartment right across the street from the ocean in Mira Flores/Barranco area. The builder's name is displayed on the security/safety fences as Braganni(?) or similar to it.

I could not find name of the company on the net, I guess the spelling is diffirent from what I recall.
Anyone in the area know about this construction project and possibly price range of these properties ?

Thank you very much.

Love Lima.

Lima Busy
05-19-06, 20:20
I saw a construction of an high-rise apartment right across the street from the ocean in Mira Flores/Barranco area. The builder's name is displayed on the security/safety fences as Braganni(?) or similar to it.

I could not find name of the company on the net, I guess the spelling is diffirent from what I recall.
Anyone in the area know about this construction project and possibly price range of these properties ?

Thank you very much.

Love Lima.
Do not know the building but if it is normal as opposed to high end construction on the Malecon it will run $1,000-$1,100 a sq meter.
LB

Gringo Loco #2
06-07-06, 00:20
Any opinions on what is the best district in the Lima Area to live (not necessarily for mongering).

Thanks guys!

Lima Busy
06-07-06, 19:34
Any opinions on what is the best district in the Lima Area to live (not necessarily for mongering).

Thanks guys!
La Plancie

Dick Rambone
06-07-06, 21:29
It's La Planicie.

Lima Busy
06-07-06, 22:12
It's La Planicie.
Thank you Dick, Originally I wanted to say "Las Casuarinas" but I could not spell it either!
LB

El Jugador
08-03-06, 19:36
I'm going to visit a chica up in Trujillo next week by plane, and we plan on going to Cajamarca by bus. Anyone have experience with this? How long is the bus ride? So far i have never had the need to take a bus, but I hear about many accidents, especially up Cusco way. Is this something I should worry about.

Thanks guys!

Lima Busy
08-04-06, 16:39
I'm going to visit a chica up in Trujillo next week by plane, and we plan on going to Cajamarca by bus. Anyone have experience with this? How long is the bus ride? So far i have never had the need to take a bus, but I hear about many accidents, especially up Cusco way. Is this something I should worry about.

Thanks guys!
The trip should take you 6-8 hours. It is dangerous to travel anywhere in Peru by bus, stay with the well known companies and travel first class. You will be going from sea level to about 9,000 ft. Sounds like a great trip, have fun and bring some cheese back for us!
LB

Dick Rambone
08-04-06, 17:23
I have taken Cruz de Sur (bus) before to Huaraz and they seem to very good. I do not know if they go from Trujillo to Cajamarca. Ormeno is another bus line that is good.

Samu Ray
08-05-06, 01:40
There is another bus Line that is good! CIVA. It is located on (28 julio and
paseo republic) Lima. I took the double decker from Ica to Cuzco. But, I don`t know if they go to Cajamarca!

Lima Busy
09-07-06, 20:08
personnel security & safety protocol - 2006

the following is an updated summary of protocols and procedures in place for the safety and security of teck cominco peru s.a. personnel. measures to ensure personal safety are a must and apply to both peruvian nationals and expatriates. the protocols are mainly designed for the capital city of lima, the population and crime center, but apply to other major cities in peru and elsewhere in latin america and around the world. the information and recommendations listed below come from many years of experience in peru of myself, other workers and friends as well as recommendations from control risks group (crg).

although the recommendations may seem extreme they are meant to be a comprehensive list of all possibilities and not an attempt to cause fear. peru is a great country, chances are that your stay will go very well. most of the safety tips involve common sense and can help prevent assaults and robberies. if one can avoid being an easy or obvious target, chances are nothing will happen.

common crimes are:

1. “smash and grabs” - where the assailant smashes a vehicle's window when stopped at a traffic light or in a traffic jam and grabs a purse and/or demands valuables and flees (commonly during day on certain streets)
2. “street assault/mugging” - where assailant(s) demand money and valuables at knife/gun point (often 2-3 assailants involved)
3. “express kidnapping” or “secuestro al paso” where assailants kidnap victims for a short period with the purpose of having them take out their daily bank limit from atm's – can happen in taxis, own vehicle and while walking. the frequency of the express kidnapping is on the rise.

on the positive side, most crime in lima (and the rest of peru) is for money and valuables and does not involve bodily harm as long as the victim does not resist.

personal safety measures

a series of recommendations are included below. if implemented diligently, the different security risks can be significantly reduced. the list of protocols is divided into the following categories: a) personal / daily routine, b) residence, c) driving / vehicle safety / parking and d) public transportation.

personal / daily routine

* avoid obvious indications of personal wealth and, if applicable, foreign status – avoid wearing and displaying expensive watches, jewelry or valuables and avoid wearing flashy clothes – dress down
* play down your financial status and image
* avoid the public limelight
* avoid people who may themselves be a target
* avoid obvious display of cash; limit the quantity carried
* avoid carrying credit card slips of any kind
* avoid carrying credit and bank cards – if possible avoid use of gold or platinum cards (including corporate cards) as they demonstrate personal wealth
* make sure you know your credit / bank card pin number – in case of quickie kidnapping involving bank machine
* keep money in front pockets or money belt, do not carry wallet in back pocket
* do carry some cash – in case of assault it is better to be able to provide some money and/or valuables to the assailant
* avoid carrying any documents with home and family information such as addresses as well as family pictures
* avoid carrying bank machine receipts which show bank account balance
* offer no resistance and remain calm – do not fight back or struggle and do as assailants say
* never have sex with "farm animals"
are you guys still with me?
* avoid the media
* pay attention to and beware of anyone suspicious
* avoid being out alone at night – especially women, use buddy system
* avoid drinking beverages in a bar or discotheque alone, avoid leaving drink glass unattended as it could be spiked
* avoid visiting bad or suspect areas, especially at night
* avoid daily routines – easy for potential assailant to learn your movements
* vary timing of arrival and departure on daily journeys and attendance at meetings, social or sporting activities – avoid routine
* make use of available alternatives of building exits – avoid routine
* always carry cell phone as it can be used in case of emergency – know emergency contact numbers (stored in phone memory)
* always carry the local emergency telephone numbers from which reliable assistance will be available; also carry the appropriate coins or tokens to operate public telephones
* use code names for house and family phone contacts speed dials (i.e. don’t have “casa” as a memory speed dial)
* do not talk on cell phone while walking on the street
* know self defense
* avoid eye contact with strangers
* don’t look like a lost tourist or a person paranoid – don’t stand out - be relaxed and blend into the surrounding
* avoid contact (talking etc) with unknown persons who may show interest in you
* avoid using bank machine at night (greater risk of assailant observing and waiting for person to leave machine with money)
* use only bank machines that have security guard(s) or have indoor atms
* use extra precaution when exiting parties, bars and discotheques – especially expatriates as they may be observed and waited on
* avoid discussions that can be overheard in public places and which may attract attention and raise your profile
* avoid conversing about future movements of oneself when in public place such as bar, restaurant and gas station as assailant may over hear and be waiting for that person – it is often a team situation when the waiter / gas attendant would tip the assailant of ones future movements
* be extra careful of luxury establishments (i.e. restaurants) – assailants often case upscale establishments knowing persons utilizing such places have money and thus are good “targets”
* women should be aware and careful when in shopping malls and exiting malls – assailant often cases person inside mall and follows them out to their vehicle to rob them
* avoid having a high bank account balance – it is possible that bank employees inform assailants of your worth (based on balance) and thus make one a high ‘target”
* if you have a high bank account balance, do not have an atm card for your account. open a 2nd account with a us$2,000 or less balance and have an atm card for this account only
* don’t trust national police, often crooked or fake
* if necessary rely on and trust municipal police for help
* consider changing accommodation if visit is long term - do not give advance warning of such change
* if necessary to change travel arrangements do so on short notice
* identify the position of service staircases and elevators in your office, residence or hotel in case these are needed for use in an emergency
* coordinate with your host, home office staff and family an appropriate and inconspicuous verbal and visual “stress” code for use, if necessary, to indicate that you are acting under duress when communicating in any way with them.


residence

* live in a good district of the city and safe apartment or house
* make sure apartment has 24 hour guard at entrance and locked outer gate
* avoid living on the bottom three floors of apartment building
* make sure house secure – if possible have eight foot walls with electric fence on top, install alarm system (connected to security company), have strong door locks, change locks periodically, use intercom to communicate with visitors
* know emergency contact numbers – including municipal police, doctor, hospital, appropriate embassy, fireman etc
* don’t open door to strangers or vendors
* don’t open door for service people unless a known and trusted person (assailants often pretend to be legitimate service persons– water, electricity etc)
* don’t use dwelling address for personal (banking etc) correspondence as postal workers can (and do) open mail and may learn of one’s worth and possessions etc – better to use office address for correspondence
* don’t let service people (phone, maintenance, water etc) into dwelling when alone (especially women) – make sure someone else is present (maid, friend, spouse)
* be careful and alert when opening front door and garage door – assailant may be waiting outside dwelling for door to open and use opportunity to gain entrance
* don’t respond or converse to unknown phone callers
* be careful with house/apartment employees (maids, gardeners etc)


driving / vehicle safety / parking

* avoid using same route if possible – avoid routine (to prevent assailant from learning your schedule) of route and timing
* when varying the routes of daily journeys, each route should follow main or principal roads well frequented by other vehicles and avoid known low-income districts and narrow secondary or back streets (especially at night)
* identify the safe havens on routes used for local journeys before departure such as police posts
* avoid driving at night if possible
* install protective window covers (anti-impact laminations) installed in vehicles used in lima – especially for women as they are principal targets of “smash and grab crime” (protective window cover/coating prevents window from being smashed)
* install anti-theft protection for lights and mirrors etc
* always have cell phone in vehicle – use for emergency calls if necessary – memorize and store in ones cell phone emergency contact numbers
* don’t stop for anyone signaling you to stop – especially in lima – if in doubt drive to nearest highly visible, public area (people commonly pretend to be police and rob them)
* if involved in a vehicle accident do not stop as the accident may have been contrived - drive on and make a report immediately to the organisation you are visiting or to the nearest police station
* keep purses, brief cases, computers and other valuables in trunk and out of sight – may prevent smash and grab crime as nothing of value is recognized by potential assailant
* have money hidden but keep some cash at hand in case of assault – some money to provide to assailants
* avoid driving through tunnels at night
* avoid parking in desolate or dark areas, especially at night
* avoid carrying bank card and credit cards, especially at night (one common crime is the quickie kidnapping that involves car-jacking a person and make him withdraw daily limit from bank machine, more common in evening as person can be forced to withdraw daily limit over two days)
* avoid driving luxury vehicles as they demonstrate wealth and are primary targets – one should drive an inconspicuous or common vehicle that does not attract attention
* maintain vehicle doors locked and windows closed at all times
* two vehicles travelling in convoy provide better protection than one vehicle alone
* when being collected by vehicle from a secure building remain inside until your vehicle arrives and it is safe to leave
* be prepared to telephone ahead to a trusted person at your destination before departure on a journey - confirm safe arrival by telephoning back to a similar trusted person at your departure point
* be aware and alert to events outside your car such as recognising if you are being followed
* park vehicle in a protected area and as near to your destination and to building entrance as possible - reduce to a minimum the distance you have to walk in the open
* vary the type of transport used every few days - make use of taxis, hire cars or private vehicles of reliable members of its staff known to you – avoid routine
* keep your car in good condition and regularly serviced and at least quarter tank of gasoline
* do not leave your vehicle unattended whilst being serviced
* know where jack and spare wheel are located and how to change a wheel in the event of a puncture
* always lock the vehicle, even in a secure garage or parking facility
* do not leave documents in your car that may provide information to and assist potential attackers such as details of home or work address and phone numbers
* if you use valet parking lock documents in the glove box if you can not carry them on you
* use a locking wheel nut and a lockable petrol cap
* use a removable radio cassette/cd player if possible and store in glove box when parked
* if you have gold or platinum credit cards, ask your bank to give you a standard silver card with the same line credit as your gold/platinum card to maintain a low profile
* if you carry credit and bank cards make sure you memorize both card’s atm pin number so if you are kidnapped (quickie kidnapping) the assailants will be able to get some money and release you quickly
* make sure the car is locked and the car alarm is activated when you leave the vehicle
* consider fitting an immobilizer or bar for locking the steering wheel – prevents vehicle from being stolen
* lower your radio antenna when parked
* before entering a vehicle left unattended and unprotected, visually inspect it if warranted by the local level of threat - it should be noted that physical inspection of a vehicle which is suspected of being fitted with an explosive device should only be carried out by a person suitably qualified
* know your vehicle - if searching for an explosive device you should know what is in your car and what the underside of your vehicle should look like
* look after your keys - keep them on your person at all times and do not give them to anyone you are unsure of
* when parking in daylight, try to picture what the area will look like at night. park in a lighted area where possible
* park as close as possible to your destination - if parking off road always reverse in
* before leaving the vehicle check for any suspicious persons
* on returning to the vehicle check inside the vehicle before you get in and look out for suspicious persons - have your keys ready in your hand as fumbling in handbags or pockets can make you a target
* lock the vehicle as soon as you are inside and start the engine so you can drive away immediately


public transportation

* use only known, secure radio taxis of reliable companies (especially women and foreign visitors that don’t know the country and language). try and make you call your taxi yourself. a radio taxi taken on the street is even more dangerous as it can call another car to help intercept you
* avoid taking a taxi alone if possible
* if using “street” taxi be aware of route, sit in back seat, lock doors and have windows rolled up
* it is preferable to use hired cars instead of taxis for personal and family transportation
* order taxis at the latest possible moment before departure
* don’t tell taxi where you are going – give just general directions – prevents taxi driver from phoning ahead to his possible co-kidnappers (driver contacts co-assailants who wait for you to arrive at destination)
* don’t have street taxis stop at ones place of dwelling – it is better if the taxi doesn’t know where you live (especially expatriates)
* try not to let your taxi driver make or receive phone calls or make radio calls
* avoid giving any personal information to street taxi drivers – such as occupation and places frequented as they may perceive you have money and learn your routine
* be very careful if using a street taxi when leaving a good restaurant or bar – they may be watching and waiting for you to leave
* avoid using microbuses

Polvo
09-07-06, 21:40
PERSONNEL SECURITY & SAFETY PROTOCOL - 2006What happened to carry a BIG gun?? (And some carrots?)

Polvo

Lima Busy
09-08-06, 01:42
What happened to carry a BIG gun?? (And some carrots?)

Polvo
I added that to make sure you guys read it and did not skip thru! Because of your background I am suprised you even bothered to read it. Actually you probably should have written it!
LB

Chocha Monger
09-08-06, 05:33
I added that to make sure you guys read it and did not skip thru! Because of your background I am suprised you even bothered to read it. Actually you probably should have written it!
LB
When all else fails I usually say, "Por favor no me mates! Solamente quiero echar un polvo." I works like a charm. Apparently, it's not kosher to kill a harmless horny guy in SA. It has to do with bad luck or something like that.

Dirty Willy
09-08-06, 12:46
What does that mean 'echar un polvo'?

El Jugador
09-08-06, 20:32
They can have my money, my credit cards, even the shoes off my feet. But i will fight to the death for my viagra.

Awesome report LB, thanks for putting in the time to keep your fellow mongers safe and sound.

Jugador

Polvo
09-20-06, 13:25
...I'm past the point of no return and just the plane ride this time of year was a big expense. From memory the hotels in Lima while kind of skanky (no toilet seats, cramped, iffy shower water temps, etc) ran only about 20-30 s. per night.WB - If your budget is $10 per day (S/-30) then you are down the list somewhat for hotels. You might want to consider the Flying Dog Backpackers Hostel in Miraflores as a possibility, or, rather than get stuck in Lima do a backpacker-ish tour and meet other Chica's. LB any other ideas?

Flying Dog Backpackers. Address:, Diez Canseco 117, Lima, Peru. Phone:, +51 4450940

Regards

Polvo

WhiskerBisket
09-20-06, 19:01
She's actually a pretty decent girl, just that she can't put me up in her home with her parents who are too traditional for that sort of thing and did not arrange in time for an apartment due to in part my own fumbling on the dates. She knows my situation and has asked time off from work to devote time to me during the days - then skip home to sleep. But, yeah, who knows, maybe things go sour. Always have to sleep with one eye open as they say.

If I have a grand to a max of two grand for the month I should be able to get by. Or maybe not? What's the experience at the hostel like? Is it on the up and up? Is it a good mongering homebase?

Is meeting you, LB, Polvo an option? Although I dabble, I'm not the hardcore balls-to-the-wall mongerer, just a regular guy, sociable, know Spanish well.... but feel like I'll be a bit lost in a foreign city.

WhiskerBisket
09-20-06, 23:55
Attached below is a photo of what I -think- is the general vicinity of Miraflores from my last visit. It's a park that hosts arts and crafts and on that day there were musicians and food being sold off stands like in a state fair. Nearby there was a strip-like boulevard with mostly food joints and clubs where waiters outside would flag you down to get you to come in.

Is this the "in" area where I should be looking to stay?

I'll write again once actually in Lima to see if I can hook up with you guys. I'm not looking for freebies, just to hang out and hear stories. Lima, I particularly liked your serendipitous encounter on the combi!

R Brandon
09-21-06, 01:48
Your pic is of Kennedy Park in the heart of Miraflores. It is right by Pizza Alley and Tequillias the well known pick up bar is only block away. Definitley a good nieghborhood for first timer. I will be back in three weeks.rbc100

Polvo
09-21-06, 07:44
Polvos idea warrants consideration (hostel's) but unless they are empty or you can get a private room, your girlfriend will be playing to an audience that enjoys "group participation".LBGroup hug anyone?

Polvo

LuvumBare
09-21-06, 14:58
" Can not speak for the others but if you end up in Miraflores everybody knows where to find me!"

I will be in the Marriott starting Monday night. Would like to get together. Since "everybody" knows where to find you, which "everybody" should I ask so I too can locate you?
'bare

Lima Busy
09-21-06, 16:44
" Since "everybody" knows where to find you, which "everybody" should I ask so I too can locate you?
'bare
Just ask any goodlooking 20 y/o. Failing that I suggest you go to my "office" otherwise known as "Cafe Z" weekdays between 10-1 or 3-5 as I still keep my NYC Bankers hours!

LB

Lima Busy
09-21-06, 17:05
Attached below is a photo of what I -think- is the general vicinity of Miraflores from my last visit. It's a park that hosts arts and crafts and on that day there were musicians and food being sold off stands like in a state fair. Nearby there was a strip-like boulevard with mostly food joints and clubs where waiters outside would flag you down to get you to come in.

Is this the "in" area where I should be looking to stay?

I'll write again once actually in Lima to see if I can hook up with you guys. I'm not looking for freebies, just to hang out and hear stories. Lima, I particularly liked your serendipitous encounter on the combi!

Ahh,yes I remember that! Did not get laid but I did save 20 centavos minus the $3.00 for coffee and doughnuts. That took place on the OM-19 bus which I was on last week when I happened to run into another ISG'r who appears to still be looking for her(ja ja,actually he is a fellow commuter and one of the few gringo's I have run into on a micro!

Bare, if you drop by on either a wed or fri, I will take you for a combi ride on the OM-21, this is the express bus to the "puta's in Lince! At the end of the ride you will have the pleasure of trying "Carla" (5*-perutops) for 30 min at the princely sum of $16.19.

Whisker- I would suggest again that you stay in a cheaper area with easy access to a bus and come to Miraflores with your girl at nighttime to go to the park, cafe or grab a ice cream!

LB

LuvumBare
09-21-06, 19:30
"Bare, if you drop by on either a wed or fri, I will take you for a combi ride on the OM-21, this is the express bus to the "puta's in Lince! At the end of the ride you will have the pleasure of trying "Carla" (5*-perutops) for 30 min at the princely sum of $16.19."

Where do I "drop by"? PM answer
'bare

Johan007
10-11-06, 16:01
Well as I am realy looking to settle down and start a small private business for my self in a nice SA country....lately my eyes fell on Peru.
After being in several countries i made a private comparison between fe. DR,Brasil,Panama and Peru.

For some reason i find it important that the country must have a real culture and a good extented "cuisine"....I truly missed that in both Panama and the DR. The food in Brasil was even downright disgusting:-(

Anyways.....Could any of you expats living there tell me if it's true that you can buy a nice house for 50,000 US $ in Lima??
I have been chatting with some lima honies and some of them told me this,so i need to confirm if it's true what they are telling me.

Do you guys still make every 3 months a visa run...or is it nowadays easier to get a perm visa in Peru??
Well i am NOT planning to marry that soon......hehehehehehe. Speaking of marriage...is it possible to marry with a pre-nup there or something that is similar???Couldn't find that one on the net:-(

Realy loved the monger scene in Lima....the food....the nightlive....and HELL YES also the chicas:-)
What an idiot i was loosing much time in running after my dream in other countries.....:-(

Seems also that inland airfares have dropped in price....back in 2002 a ticket from Lima to Cusco did US$ 180 (oooucch..!) one way....right now I heard you can have one with Star for about 85 bucks:-)

regards,

johan.

Lima Busy
10-12-06, 18:34
Johan,
A nice 2 bedroom NEW apt runs from $17,000-$70,000 depending on district. In Miraflores it will be $43,000-$70,000 depending on location. On the Malecon prices generally start at about $120,000. The further away from the ocean the lower the price with the exception of San Isidro, La Molina and a few other areas. Miraflores is by far not the the most expensive, exclusive area in Lima.

Originally, you said a house for $50,000.00 which is damn near impossible in Miraflores as the land has a value of $350-$400 a sq/mtr., but there are many small apts in the $40,000-$50,000 range.

LB

ElKarl
10-13-06, 00:03
I need some help from you guys, if possible.
Can I use my chevychase visa check card in peru the same way I use it in The States?. For ATM and paying in places that take Visa?
Can you make calls to cell phones from hotel rooms? Any extra charge? Can I use a calling card from the states that is supposed to work in Peru?.
Are there a lot of food delivery places in Lima?
Thanks for the help.
Later

Elberto
10-13-06, 02:02
Can I use my chevychase visa check card in peru the same way I use it in The States?. For ATM and paying in places that take Visa?


I spent two months after my trip to Panama getting fraudulent charges removed from a check card. One of the hotels where I stayed used my card to buy airline tickets in Spain.

A guy I met while in Panama had over $4000 of fraudulent charges on one of his credit cards when he got home.

What I learned from this experience is use the card only at bank ATMs and pay cash for everything else.

Xxxgoat
10-13-06, 02:54
I have been following this thread since before my trip to Lima last June. This thread, and TOM33 & Lima Busy in particular, have provided very valuable info and insight for me. I have joined this and several other boards and have been doing research on living in Peru and Colombia since April.

So - I have made a major decision and will be moving to Peru for an extended stay no later than March 2007. I will stay in the Lima area at least 90 days or more to determine if Peru will by my new permanent residence. From what I have read I can obtain a residence visa as a retiree or investor.

I have listed my home for sale and am in the process of winding down my affairs in the U.S. I do not speak much castellano yet but I am studying. I am committed to the move and can hardly wait to get there.

Now that I've bored everyone with the above - I'd like to say.

Damn, the women in Lima are so HOT!!! I'm older than most of you but appreciate the ladies more and more as I grow older, and I hope wiser. I love the GFE MILF with an occasional 18-25 y/o for variety ;>)

I would appreciate any input, here or PM, that could help with this relocation.

At this point I intend to stay at the Maria Luisa Hotel for a week to settle in and find a furnished apartment. I have mixed feelings about buying vs renting but expect to make an informed decision after a few months.

TOM33 - It seems that you split your time between Lima and Cartagena. I will be spending March in CTG before heading to Lima. What are the VISA/residency ramifications of living in Peru and spending extended time in Colombia?

TIA,

Goat

Jaimito Cartero
10-13-06, 04:39
What I learned from this experience is use the card only at bank ATMs and pay cash for everything else.

I'd disagree with you. I have one credit card that I use only for hotels and restaurants. Nothing else. I have a debit card that I use at ATMs only when abroad. I've never had fradulent charges, but always have an unused card in case some travel deals pop up, or in case some bad charges do show up on a card.

Johan007
10-13-06, 11:39
Is it reasonably easy to open a bank account on your own name (even as a NON-resident)?
What about intrest rates??
What do the experts prefer...a soles account...or an account in forreign curreny like the US $ or Euro??

TIA.....

regards,

Johan

Lima Busy
10-13-06, 12:51
I have been following this thread since before my trip to Lima last June. This thread, and TOM33 & Lima Busy in particular, have provided very valuable info and insight for me. I have joined this and several other boards and have been doing research on living in Peru and Colombia since April.

So - I have made a major decision and will be moving to Peru for an extended stay no later than March 2007. I will stay in the Lima area at least 90 days or more to determine if Peru will by my new permanent residence. From what I have read I can obtain a residence visa as a retiree or investor.

I have listed my home for sale and am in the process of winding down my affairs in the U.S. I do not speak much castellano yet but I am studying. I am committed to the move and can hardly wait to get there.

Now that I've bored everyone with the above - I'd like to say.

Damn, the women in Lima are so HOT!!! I'm older than most of you but appreciate the ladies more and more as I grow older, and I hope wiser. I love the GFE MILF with an occasional 18-25 y/o for variety ;>)

I would appreciate any input, here or PM, that could help with this relocation.

At this point I intend to stay at the Maria Luisa Hotel for a week to settle in and find a furnished apartment. I have mixed feelings about buying vs renting but expect to make an informed decision after a few months.

TOM33 - It seems that you split your time between Lima and Cartagena. I will be spending March in CTG before heading to Lima. What are the VISA/residency ramifications of living in Peru and spending extended time in Colombia?

TIA,

Goat

Kinda like "Dave's not here" from the old cheech & chong "up in smoke " album!

Anyway as far as I know Tom33 has never been to Peru, so I would probably post on the CTG board. Lima & CTG is a wierd combo (weatherwise) I assume Lima in the SA summer and CTG in the other SA summer. Personally I would pick a different combo.

I would not bother with the residence visa if I was only going to be here PT. You only have to do the visa run every 6 mos. It will take you quite a few trips back home to get all your s**t down here, anyways!

Good Luck!
LB

Lima Busy
10-14-06, 19:22
Lima_Busy,

If Colombia in Peruvian winter time and Peru the rest of the year is not a good mix than what would you suggest?

Goat
Colombia is fine, it is only CTG that I was questioning!
LB

Xxxgoat
10-15-06, 07:16
Colombia is fine, it is only CTG that I was questioning!
LBI don't disagree, I'll base out of CTG where I have a few Colombian friends and can travel to other cities on my list. Long term I prefer a less expensive place with fewer gringos and a milder climate.

In Peru I"ll stay in Miraflores but intend to check out surrounding communities as well as Trujillo and Arequipa.

Goat

Johan007
10-15-06, 23:09
LB,

I spend 4 weeks in CTG in 2003 and i can tell you that is't the MOST save city from Colombia regarding possible attacks/raids/bombings by guerilla forces. I never felt unsave one moment...and police/militairy is present almost everywere.

Most people who live thgere are dark skinned...not all but my guess would be 85 %. The women are in general very easy to pick up.....and (IMHO) way easier then in Bogota.

It;s true CTG is NOT a very popular turist city it once was.....and now mainly colombian turists visit it from other cities.

The beach life and the dance scene is great...and (starting from thursday on...to sunday) every night there is fiesta all over the malecon area...and in the centro.

HOWEVER .....if you are planning to stay in CTG when the yearly buety elections are held....prices for appartments,hotels ..and yes also hookers will increase accordingly.

O another thing........
THE STREETVENDORS IN CTG ARE PROBABLY THE MOST LARGE ASSH*LES YOU EVER COULD MEET. TRY TO AVOID THEM AT ANY COSTS (HOWEVER THIS WILL BE VERY UNLIKELY AS THEY SENCE ANY GRINGO AT 300 METERS DISTANCE)
IOW THEY ARE A TRUE PAIN IN THE BUTT.:-( ONCE I NEARLY HAD TO GIVE SUCH A GUY A PUNCH ON HIS NOOSE BECOZ HE WAS FOLLOWING ME ON THE MANS TOILET OF THE RESTAURANT WERE I WAS AT THAT MOMENT!! Very persistant.......mofo's...tell you that.

Johan

Lima Busy
10-16-06, 15:45
LB,

I spend 4 weeks in CTG in 2003 and i can tell you that is't the MOST save city from Colombia regarding possible attacks/raids/bombings by guerilla forces. I never felt unsave one moment...and police/militairy is present almost everywere.

Most people who live thgere are dark skinned...not all but my guess would be 85 %. The women are in general very easy to pick up.....and (IMHO) way easier then in Bogota.

It;s true CTG is NOT a very popular turist city it once was.....and now mainly colombian turists visit it from other cities.

The beach life and the dance scene is great...and (starting from thursday on...to sunday) every night there is fiesta all over the malecon area...and in the centro.

HOWEVER .....if you are planning to stay in CTG when the yearly buety elections are held....prices for appartments,hotels ..and yes also hookers will increase accordingly.

O another thing........
THE STREETVENDORS IN CTG ARE PROBABLY THE MOST LARGE ASSH*LES YOU EVER COULD MEET. TRY TO AVOID THEM AT ANY COSTS (HOWEVER THIS WILL BE VERY UNLIKELY AS THEY SENCE ANY GRINGO AT 300 METERS DISTANCE)
IOW THEY ARE A TRUE PAIN IN THE BUTT.:-( ONCE I NEARLY HAD TO GIVE SUCH A GUY A PUNCH ON HIS NOOSE BECOZ HE WAS FOLLOWING ME ON THE MANS TOILET OF THE RESTAURANT WERE I WAS AT THAT MOMENT!! Very persistant.......mofo's...tell you that.

Johan
Does this have to do with me? I was only commenting to "goat" on the heat & humidty in CTG.

I am glad it is the safest city in COL and that most women are "dark". It is also my understanding (from friends who lived there) that Colombia would be a great place to live if they could only get rid of all those "Colombians".

LB

Captain Napalm
10-21-06, 19:08
Make sure you have a original idea that would be hard to duplicate as Peruvians love to copy and will open up right next door or better yet sell it on the street in front of your store!So very true. I thought it was bad in Times Square and Chinatown. Uyyy!

Polvo
10-26-06, 23:35
one of the great things about peru is most of the peruanas have no clue about securing their wifi networks, so a lot of internet time can be grabbed for free (provided you have a suitably equipped laptop, of course)!

and, even those who do have some idea of security enable wap and then allow an automatic download of the key! brilliant.

so in deference to lb and screwed up (nice to see you again, by the way - your rep001alogical dakar evidence scared me!) i recommend this free download that allows you to go look at what networks are nearby, their sid's etc.! (and, if you don't know what i am talking about -then this post will not affect you!)

http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/

polvo

Johan007
10-28-06, 13:50
Does this have to do with me? I was only commenting to "goat" on the heat & humidty in CTG.

I am glad it is the safest city in COL and that most women are "dark". It is also my understanding (from friends who lived there) that Colombia would be a great place to live if they could only get rid of all those "Colombians".

LB

the problem with colombia is (for LT living) is to get rid of that civil war. IMHO it's no longer a guerilla war from leftist factions...but merely drusdealers that want to secure their production areas.
I hope mr. Uribe will stay on course with his policy and will finaly bring peace to this country and ban all those drugslords.

FOR ST Colombia is great...cheap...and many many many pretty women availeble.
But i wouldn't think even one sec in living there permanently.

OOO but this is the Peru section...!!!! YES..:-) Sorry Jackson for this little OT.

Johan

Screwed Up
10-29-06, 00:19
...so in deference to lb and screwed up (nice to see you again, by the way - your rep001alogical dakar evidence scared me!) i recommend this free download that allows you to go look at what networks are nearby, their sid's etc.! (and, if you don't know what i am talking about -then this post will not affect you!)

http://www.netstumbler.com/downloads/

polvo
nice tool.
i have quite some neighbouring wifi networks pop on and off in my appartment. just yesterday i even saw the wifi of hotel colon, which is located about a block down the street.
only one networks signal is strong enough for me to conveniently use it though.

non-pro action: etheria has been whopping with action the last 2 times i went. results? me getting my dick sucked (she was on her period) by this skinny short 19yo on her knees while i was standing on my bed right next to the curtianless widows in my new appartment at 6am. the people in the claro office across the street must hate the fact that i had curtains installed yesterday...
damage? 18 soles for a can of beer, 10 soles round-trip cab drive when i dropped her ass off at her friends place.

bierhaus has been surprisingly dissapointing with either no hot girls or hot girls with their boyfriends. bummer. we'll see about tonight...

have been to tr only once for about 10 min, if that. same old door guy, same old hoes.

pisco sour, reggeaton, ceviche, it's good to be back.

Lima Busy
10-29-06, 01:24
Nice tool.
Non-pro action: Etheria has been whopping with action the last 2 times I went. Results? Me getting my dick sucked (she was on her period) by this skinny short 19yo on her knees while I was standing on my bed right next to the curtianless widows in my new appartment at 6AM. The people in the Claro office across the street must hate the fact that I had curtains installed yesterday...
Damage? 18 soles for a can of beer, 10 soles round-trip cab drive when I dropped her ass off at her friends place.


I hope you learned your lesson! Always ask a girl if she is OTR, before spending S/.28 for a blow job!

(BTW, Polvo & I are still ROTFL over the misunderstanding in Z the other day. I must say you did make her day)!

LB

ElKarl
10-30-06, 05:12
Hi, guys. I'd like some help before my jump to the Lima sight. Do I need an adaptor to use my laptop( just to make sure it connects to their jacks, wall plugs). How much should I expect to pay for a cab ( more or less), where is the best place to change currency ( secure ). Can use my check card to pay and get money in Lima.
Thanks for the help in advance.

This is my first time in Lima by myself.

Later

Jaimito Cartero
10-30-06, 06:37
Hi, guys. I'd like some help before my jump to the Lima sight. Do I need an adaptor to use my laptop( just to make sure it connects to their jacks, wall plugs). How much should I expect to pay for a cab ( more or less), where is the best place to change currency ( secure ). Can use my check card to pay and get money in Lima.


I'm amazed that members don't do a little bit of searching, before they ask other members a ton of questions.

Peru's electricity is 220v. Some hotels may have some 110v plugs.

Cabs are usually negotiated. From the airport, maybe $5-$15 if you negotiate. Set price is $10-$20, the last I recall, if you're going to Miraflores. It's somewhat higher to Cuzco. :)

ATM's are plentiful. Some even dispense dollars. You can safely change dollars in the street, with uniformed changers.



This is my first time in Lima by myself.


So does this mean you've been here before with someone else?

Elberto
10-30-06, 07:24
I'm amazed that members don't do a little bit of searching, before they ask other members a ton of questions.

I cut and pasted 21 pages of info from the Panama threads before my trip to Panama. I was able to quickly find good chica-friendly lodging and target-rich hunting grounds from information posted.

I have 31 pages of info so far for an upcoming trip to Peru.

There is a bunch of useful information in the ISG threads that can help you have an excellent time on your travels.

Jaimito Cartero
10-30-06, 08:29
I cut and pasted 21 pages of info from the Panama threads before my trip to Panama. I was able to quickly find good chica-friendly lodging and target-rich hunting grounds from information posted.

I have 31 pages of info so far for an upcoming trip to Peru.

There is a bunch of useful information in the ISG threads that can help you have an excellent time on your travels.

I think that most people who spend a little time, like yourself, can get 90% or more of their answers from just reading back to earlier this year. Not all countries/cities have a good guide, but I always encourage everyone to put up anything that will help a traveller.

I've spent up to a month researching some countries on here, but usually a few hours is all you need.

Screwed Up
11-17-06, 02:10
At 6AM a fight brooke loose outside disco Etheria. Guy took the gun of one of the cops and started to shoot at the security. I filmed the whole thing and sold the video. Tonight at 10 PM on canal 5. I'll be watching.

Lima Busy
11-17-06, 03:18
ready and we are hoping to see a shot of your famous tongue!
LB

Surfer
11-17-06, 03:19
NEVER a dull minute with that guy I assure you! Wild stuff just seems to happen with ScrewedUp around (:

Johan: Cartagena has changed A LOT since 2003. Foreign Tourists basically own 90% of Laguito nowadays.

I agree with your comments on safety BUT with the lkimitation that it is the TOURIST AREAS that are heavily patrolled. Go to El Bosque or areas SOUTH of the tourist areas and it is just as dangerous as most other Colombian cities.

LB: Most Colombians are great people; the more contact they have with gringo tourists the WORSE they become. Same same the World over. Geographically, Colombia is much more attractive than Peru (or any other country in Latin America) IMHO. No garua either so the sun shines a hell of a lot more than on the Peruvian coast (except perhaps the far North near Ecuador).

JC: I worry that helping the slothful only encourages more of them to post general queries without bothering to read the forum. RESPECTFUL newbies should be gently steered towards READ FIRST then ask questions (the others should be flamed or ignored).

Polvo
11-18-06, 00:36
... I filmed the whole thing and sold the video. Tonight at 10 PM on canal 5.

Man, Screwed up I hope that was one good damn zoom lens - or you were way too close!!

Suerte

Polvo

Slugger69
11-18-06, 04:35
Been an avid reader of this post for some time, and I'll be arriving in Lima, Peru in Janurary, and i just had a question about finding either a room to rent, or an apartment. Is it more customary to get apartments through a realtor, or just look through the newspapers. I did some searching on expatperu.com but didn't find a whole lot of selection.

Thanks

Lima Busy
11-18-06, 19:05
Been an avid reader of this post for some time, and I'll be arriving in Lima, Peru in Janurary, and i just had a question about finding either a room to rent, or an apartment. Is it more customary to get apartments through a realtor, or just look through the newspapers. I did some searching on expatperu.com but didn't find a whole lot of selection.

Thanks
You can go online at El commercio and check the real estate ad's or wait till you get here and walk the streets until you find what you like. There are some realtors that will show you around but only have access to their apartments. Depending on your age and occupation you may find a room in a expat share apartment. Some places will do a 3 or 6 mos lease and normally need to put down 3 months upfront.
Lb

Jaimito Cartero
11-18-06, 21:39
JC: I worry that helping the slothful only encourages more of them to post general queries without bothering to read the forum. RESPECTFUL newbies should be gently steered towards READ FIRST then ask questions (the others should be flamed or ignored).

I subscribe to the "never know what to expect club". Sometimes I'll answer them, sometimes I'll ignore them, sometimes I'll biatch slap them. :)

ElKarl
11-18-06, 22:05
what's up dude. it also depends how your castellano ( spanish) is. you can check craigslist.com, you'll find a lot of places there, just make sure they are in a safe place like miraflores or san isidro, specially for a "turista" it is better to be in that area. also, if you are planning on having chicks to your apartment, remember that some chicks don't go to apartments ( or residencia ), they only go to hotels, most chicks from placeresdelperu will go to apartments, but other chicks from nenasperu, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)-vip, encantoslatinos, etc.... will only go to hotels. the reason is that a lot of these chicks are tricked into coming to apartments and the callers are across the street laughing at them. if you plan to call them to your apartment, make sure that it has a telephone because they will call the telefonica ( telephone company) to check that the phone number matches with the address they are giving. if you plan to go to their apartments disregard everything i've said.. hehehehehe. if you want to, send me a pm with you e-mail and i'll send you a word document where i have the names of a lot of places you can check out.
www.perfectplaces.com is one of them.

later

Slugger69
11-21-06, 02:05
Hey guys Thanks a lot, my spanish is just basic. But i plan on taking some classes at one of the schools here. I did check craigslists, and im gonna follow through with some of those ads. I am planning on staying in Peru at least a year, or more. But definitely in Lima for the summer, I am 30yo, and ready to experience the single life in Lima. Eventually i would like to travel to other parts of Peru for a few months at a time, including Arequipa. Outside of Miraflores, and the other "tourist" areas. I did hear Chorillos was a good place to shack up, the beach scene sounds pretty nice in the summer. I'm sure I would want to check out many areas this summer, including Asia.

LB - I might be interested in renting your PH for the weekend of Enero 4,5,6,7. the first days i arrive in Lima, i thought it'd be a good thing for a Lima newbie. Maybe I can even get a tour with your cute tour guide. Don't worry I'll be gnetle. Seems like you have availability, I'll keep you posted.

Lima Busy
12-29-06, 20:40
For all you ex-pats and soon to be. Peru registered 7.5% economic growth for 2006. In addition the "Bolsa" registered an 185% gain, making it the best performing in the world (take that Giotto). It is not widely reported but Peru's bolsa has been the best performing in the world for 4 years running and we are now the #1 producer of silver in the world.

Viva Peru Carrajo!

LB

VoodooMan
01-25-07, 18:19
I've been in USA for a few weeks, and bought a laptop for a peruvian friend in Lima. I'm heading back to Lima this week. Does anyone know if i can bring in 2 laptops to Peru without having to pay any tariffs on my second laptop. Anyway to get around this?

Thanks guys!

Lima Busy
01-25-07, 21:35
I've been in USA for a few weeks, and bought a laptop for a peruvian friend in Lima. I'm heading back to Lima this week. Does anyone know if i can bring in 2 laptops to Peru without having to pay any tariffs on my second laptop. Anyway to get around this?

Thanks guys!
Voodooman,
You are not allowed more than one laptop at a time. It is only a problem if you get the "red light". If you can find someone else on the same flight, you can offer them a finders fee (payable after arrival) to bring it in for you.

LB

LaidBackInLima
01-30-07, 14:49
just strike a deal that you can use his until you leave, thats what i do. with all due respect i dont think you should ask a stranger to bring your lt through customs. otherwise be ready to soak up the 20% tarif. also if you try to sneak it through and hit the lottery you stand a good chance of getting it confirep001ed!

VoodooMan
01-31-07, 00:44
just strike a deal that you can use his until you leave, thats what i do. with all due respect i dont think you should ask a stranger to bring your lt through customs. otherwise be ready to soak up the 20% tarif. also if you try to sneak it through and hit the lottery you stand a good chance of getting it confirep001ed!

laidback, what do you mean by using his until i leave? well, i met some very nice people flying back to lima from miami, a lot of gringos coming down for holiday. i dont think it be a problem/

how do they base the value of the laptop to tax it 20%?

in ny i find really good deals on new laptops, whereas in lima the electronics seem to be very expensive. so i thought id do a good deed and bring one back.

Celeritas
01-31-07, 00:51
Hi there!

I've been a fan of peruvian cuisine for some time now. Is there a place in Lima where one take a cooking class? Nothing serious. Something introductory and fun for a couple of days or so.

Thanks!

LaidBackInLima
01-31-07, 20:12
Yeah the ones you get in the states for 500 seem to go for around 900. I think when you bring things that you SHOULD declare you need to bring the reciept because they may assume a higher price than you paid. It just depends on the agent you are dealing with. One time someone in my travel party had that happen with a gamming system that he was actually planning to bring back home on the return flight. He paid the assumed 20% tax and they gave him a voucher so he could get his money back before his return flight. I hope this helps

Lima Busy
01-31-07, 20:28
Hi there!

I've been a fan of peruvian cuisine for some time now. Is there a place in Lima where one take a cooking class? Nothing serious. Something introductory and fun for a couple of days or so.

Thanks!
I think El Sol might do that, post your question on the expatperu site.

LB

VoodooMan
02-02-07, 04:37
Hi there!

I've been a fan of peruvian cuisine for some time now. Is there a place in Lima where one take a cooking class? Nothing serious. Something introductory and fun for a couple of days or so.

Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQikpTebABg&mode=related&search=

VoodooMan
03-15-07, 21:40
Hey, you guys know a place in Miraflores where i can send a fax back to the states?

Thanks,
Vin

Polvo
03-15-07, 23:08
Having had to navigate the opening of a bank account in Lima I thought I would pass on a process that works.

For an account at Banco de Credito (BCP), if you do not have a visa or a carnet, you must have a letter of recommendation from someone who has an account at the bank, and preferrably at that branch. (If renting an apartment your landlord will fall over to help you on this.)

Interestingly my letter or recommendation stated that I was of fine moral character. Hmmm.

Once you have that letter of recommendation it is then simply a question of waiting in a queue (line) for ever and then signing a few forms. They have internet banking so you can also pay bills on-line from wherever.

Polvo

Lima Busy
03-16-07, 17:44
Hey, you guys know a place in Miraflores where i can send a fax back to the states?

Thanks,
Vin
Vin,
There are hundreds around, I use the ones on Porta as they are close by Cafe Z. Next time you stop by I will explain to you.
LB

Jesi James
03-20-07, 00:53
Here is a link to the Peru embassy on visa information.

http://www.peruvianembassy.us/visas-visas.php

What I don't see is retirement and or investment visa information. Anyone have any official links with that information?

Jes

Tbird
03-20-07, 06:34
Since discovering the delights of " todo cuero" at less than the price of "man-made materials" crap in the US, I have moved all my shoe purchases to S.America. I bought four pairs during my Lima trip in October, in a couple of zapaterias close to Parque Kennedy.

Question to those actually living in Peru - where do YOU buy your shoes? :-)

Maltrufio
03-20-07, 13:36
What I don't see is retirement and or investment visa information. Anyone have any official links with that information?
http://www.digemin.gob.pe/ (official regs)
http://www.expatperu.com/vrequirements.php (above translated to english)

Maltrufio
03-20-07, 13:39
...where do YOU buy your shoes? (gay smiley face deleted)
I had to laugh when I read this post. I used to buy my shoes here when on business trips. Now that I live here, I buy when I fly back to the US. I guess the shoe is always greener...

Lima Busy
03-21-07, 19:14
Goat,
Seeing you and your pics everyday, I forgot you were a newbie here in Lima, Even Ely shakes your hand everyday (which means you have arrived)! Sorry, to put you thru the "trial by fire" thing on your apartment search, but I do that to everybody so you understand it is not so easy (Polvo looked about 3 mos before he found the right one)but it is a good lesson on how things work down here and the value of knowing the right people.

Dennise, liked your apartment and the location is prime, so maybe you should lock it up before you leave in order to avoid going thru the hassle again.

I want you to hook me up with the "masage girl" you showed me yesterday for when my buddies arrive in town next month.

Anyway, enjoy life it gets better every day and the women here value "age over beauty" if you are a nice guy at heart (which you are).

For those that never met "The Goat" he is a worldclass photographer and I imagine will find willing models here easily once he gets serious about ICPNA.

LB

Xxxgoat
03-21-07, 20:12
There are many hotels/hostels in and around Miraflores for $16 and up per night and some offer weekly rates. I stayed at the Maria Luisa in a mini suite for $26 per night for a few days. There is much info on hotels in the Hotels thread on this forum.

An alternative are the weekly apartment rentals. Fully furnished apartments with cable tv and internet connection in the range of $200 to $300 per week or more. I found a fully furnished 1 bedroom with kitchen, living room and dining area and bottled water, cable tv, cable internet, all utilities, building maint. fee and daily cleaning service for $245 per week ($35 per day). These can be found thru Craigslist.pe.com, Livinginperu.com and expatperu.com.I'll document the place I found in another post.

My search for longer term, more affordable housing took over 2 weeks. With the advice and help of other board members (the ads of course are in Spanish) I used the Sunday El Comercio Classified Ads and made a lot of calls and walked all over Miraflores checking out locations. I found that the more interesting rentals are gone by the time you call and most of them require a 6 or 12 month lease.

Rather than spend my time looking for an apartment (I’d rather be looking for chicas) I found an agent to help me: Igor Patron 9285-9266. He does not speak English but was very professional and I recommend him.

With the help of Igor I found a place that met my requiements and with Dennise's help I was able to negotiate a 3 month lease on an apartment on Av. Jose Pardo within walking distance of Parque Kennedy.

The details:
1 bedroom with living room/dining area, kitchen with stove, fridge, micro wave , bottled water and a bathroom with enclosed shower and good hot water supply. This is on the 11th floor in a security building with a view from the bedroom toward Larcomar overlooking Miraflores.

The cost is $350 per month plus utilities and building maint. Fee.

Estimated monthly additional costs are: Lights $25, Gas $3 ($10 propane bottle every 3 mo.) plus $37 building maint., $15 basic tel., $35 cable tv package and $40 internet connection.

Total monthly cost = $505. I also have a cleaning lady once a week for $12 who does cleaning, laundry, ironing, marketing, etc.

Conclusions:
A nice apartment can be had for $500 per. mo. I’m sure it could be done for a little less but I’d probably still be looking for an apartment rather than enjoying the life and fine women. that Lima has to offer.

If you don’t speak Spanish or know the area a bit get someone that can help.

Here’s a pic of my house warming gift to myself the night I moved in. ;>)

Leyla, met her at TR the night my amigo Gonzo got into town. $80 LT. I called her a week later and she came over for pizza and stayed the night $60.

Goat

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Polvo
03-21-07, 21:41
Goat,
......I want you to hook me up with the "masage girl" you showed me yesterday .....LB

Goat:

Is that the one who didn't want to show clothes??

Polvo

John Sperm
03-21-07, 22:50
Bastards!!!! I hate you all ... not .. not really maybe envy you .. well I will be traveling to Lima in August so hopefully I will get to me you guys .. its been 3 years and still havent gotten to meet you .. have fun and enjoy see you soon..

Xxxgoat
03-21-07, 23:14
Goat:

Is that the one who didn't want to show clothes??

PolvoYes, I'll post her pics in the Photo section if this connection holds, or later from a better connection.

Goat

Xxxgoat
03-22-07, 18:41
Goat,

Seeing you and your pics everyday, I forgot you were a newbie here in Lima, Even Ely shakes your hand everyday (which means you have arrived)! Sorry, to put you thru the "trial by fire" thing on your apartment search, but I do that to everybody so you understand it is not so easy (Polvo looked about 3 mos before he found the right one)but it is a good lesson on how things work down here and the value of knowing the right people.

Dennise, liked your apartment and the location is prime, so maybe you should lock it up before you leave in order to avoid going thru the hassle again.

I want you to hook me up with the "masage girl" you showed me yesterday for when my buddies arrive in town next month.

Anyway, enjoy life it gets better every day and the women here value "age over beauty" if you are a nice guy at heart (which you are).

For those that never met "The Goat" he is a worldclass photographer and I imagine will find willing models here easily once he gets serious about ICPNA.

LBMost worth while lessons in life are learned the hard way. I appreciate the helpful initiation.

I intend to re-negotiate a longer lease on my apartment before my trip to the USA and Colombia in late May.

I'll pm you the massage girl's info (Carolyn) and I posted a few pics in the photo section.

I am enrolled in the next ICPNA class starting 4/2/07. The more Spanish I learn the more fun I'm having with the chicas.

Thanks for all the kind words and the warm welcome.

Goat

Xxxgoat
03-22-07, 18:44
Hey Xxxgoat,

Nice to know your having a good time in Lima.

Tell us more about yourself though

i.e. how old you are and stuff and what made you choose lima over the other countries?Yes, I'm really enjoying myself and it just gets better each day.

Age wise lets just say that I was enjoying the women in Japan, Taiwan and the Phillipines in the 60's and racing motorcycles in the California desert in the 70's.

I've had careers in Real Estate, Computers and New Car Sales. "Had" is the operative word - No mas trabajo para mi!

I saw enough of Peru last year to want to return and see the things and places that cannot be done on a trip. You have to live here to do what I want to do, see and experience. A lot of these things will be seen thru the lense of my camera, a passion I've had since I was a teenager.

Although I will be visiting other SA countries Lima will be my home for the foreseeable future. I have found the people and culture here that I am very comfortable with and at a cost of living that allows me to enjoy life and not work.

How about you? Are you living in Lima?

Goat

Xxxgoat
03-22-07, 18:50
Hey Xxxgoat,

Nice to know your having a good time in Lima.

Tell us more about yourself though

i.e. how old you are and stuff and what made you choose lima over the other countries?

Yes, I'm really enjoying myself and it just gets better each day.

Age wise lets just say that I was enjoying the women in Japan, Taiwan and the Phillipines in the 60's and racing motorcycles in the California desert in the 70's.

I've had careers in Real Estate, Computers and New Car Sales. "Had" is the operative word - No mas trabajo para mi!

I saw enough of Peru last year to want to return and see the things and places that cannot be done on a trip. You have to live here to do what I want to do, see and experience. A lot of these things will be seen thru the lense of my camera, a passion I've had since I was a teenager.

Although I will be visiting other SA countries Lima will be my home for the foreseeable future. I have found the people and culture here that I am very comfortable with and at a cost of living that allows me to enjoy life and not work.

How about you? Are you living in Lima?

Goat

Samu Ray
03-30-07, 03:49
This girl sure has a lovely ass. How would I get hold of her?

Xxxgoat
03-30-07, 04:02
This girl sure has a lovely ass. How would I get hold of her?

PM me for info. I tried to PM you but it bounced. Yes, that is an ass worth getting hold of.

Goat

ChicagoBoy23
04-15-07, 13:36
what are saving account interest rates in Lima?

what does a local pay for a home mortgage loan (interest rate) ?

are there limits to what % they can finance?

I married a Peruana and am looking to help out her family.

thanks in advance.

Lima Busy
04-15-07, 21:25
what are saving account interest rates in Lima?

what does a local pay for a home mortgage loan (interest rate) ?

are there limits to what % they can finance?

I married a Peruana and am looking to help out her family.

thanks in advance.
I do not know about interest on a savings accounts. Some banks will lend 120% on property others will require about 20% down and interest rates on mortgages are around 11-12%. Most guys buying (high end 150-250K)down here take a second on their U.S. residence and buy for cash here. Others buying in 40-60K range which is the norm, just pay cash. Nice to see you helping out the family but do not get sucked in too deep(speaking from experience). Also their are builders loans on new construction that are 4 years 14.75% interest 30% percent down which is what a "gringo" would qualify for (no residency/income checks).

LB

ChicagoBoy23
04-18-07, 03:52
thanks! As I suspected cost of capital is higher in 3rd world

Miraflores Apt
04-25-07, 20:45
Having helped many of you in finding and negotiating apartment leases, one clause repeatedly comes up that is problematic.

Clause 8 in the standard rental contract (although it may be numbered differently) forbids renters from "subletting" their apartments.

The problem is for people who rent the apartment for 6 mos-1 year thinking somebody will take over the lease. There was a member who recently got kicked out of a Sublette apartment for this reason and was forced to stay in hotels for the remainder of the trip.

Basically, there are three ways to handle this situation:

1. Negotiate it out of the lease.

2. Offer a larger deposit to have it removed.

3. Calculate it into the lease and lose your deposit at the end.

Most Peruvians are not aware of this clause and are more interested in your guaranty so it is best to be upfront in your negotiations too avoiding future problems.

Besitos,

Paola

Mer07
06-21-07, 13:15
Hello.

Since I'm addicted to females I thought it would be an good idea to imprison myself at Universidad Ricardo Palma, full time, 20 NS/h and 40 hs weekly to really get to know spanish. I'll be staying in Surco for six months. Attending individual classes 3 months and do what ever I want for another 3 months.

I got an offer to rent a nice 70sq. M. Apartment for 280 USD per month. Is that to much? Got it at http://www.expatperu.com/rhousing.php

Does anyone knows about the quality of the you. Ricardo Palma?

Seems to me that Surco is a area that is boring, which is good for my health. Miraflores, I have been informed by several local girls and here at the forum, is a amazing place to live at, but my wallet and brain will suffer to much.

I chatt with many girls from Lima. They are very open and friendly, both social and sexual, almost to good to be true, since many of them are really beautiful and also younger than me. In comparison they are 10 years younger and weight 20 pounds less than my contacts in Argentina. They seem to be as hot as brazilian girls.

The owner/representant of the apartment is also a stunning lady, a lawyer. I like her price, even though I surlely can get a similar apartment cheaper in the local newspaper. Hmmmm. She also mentioned "there are many beautiful girls in Lima". Well, I will arrive in October, checking in at a cheap hotel and deal with the real estate dealers, univeristy and girls face to face. Seems to me that things are to good to be true, so I tell myself to watch out.

Polvo
06-21-07, 20:07
......I got an offer to rent a nice 70sq. M. Apartment for 280 USD per month. Is that to much? Got it at http://www.expatperu.com/rhousing.php......

Not a bad price for a short term rental if it is also furnished. Make sure you see pictures.

Polvo

Mer07
06-22-07, 06:14
Thanks for your comments.

Yes D33, I will try to minimize the risk off being rpped off. I got some photos and the photos were nice. But I will not sign anything without consulting a trusted person or my embassy. My contact is very pretty and said that I looked like her former German boyfriend. I don't accuse her of being one, but she might be a "Zorra".

Thanks. I keep you informed, maybe can help other in similar position as me.

In BA I had a friend, a very strong and well educated university teacher who helped me with the contract. The real estate dealer was not serious, or was he stupid (? ), his father owned the little business, I don't know, but a constant money-hunter in a booming BA, what can you expect?

I have read ads in the local newspaper, and yes they are surley cheaper. This one, if the pictures are from the right apartment is simple, but furnished and seemed to be relatively new.

I keep you informed. If she is a "Zorra" then we all gain info. About how they operate.

Johan007
08-28-07, 09:51
Hello.

Since I'm addicted to females I thought it would be an good idea to imprison myself at Universidad Ricardo Palma, full time, 20 NS/h and 40 hs weekly to really get to know spanish. I'll be staying in Surco for six months. Attending individual classes 3 months and do what ever I want for another 3 months.

I got an offer to rent a nice 70sq. M. Apartment for 280 USD per month. Is that to much? Got it at http://www.expatperu.com/rhousing.php

Does anyone knows about the quality of the you. Ricardo Palma?

Seems to me that Surco is a area that is boring, which is good for my health. Miraflores, I have been informed by several local girls and here at the forum, is a amazing place to live at, but my wallet and brain will suffer to much.

I chatt with many girls from Lima. They are very open and friendly, both social and sexual, almost to good to be true, since many of them are really beautiful and also younger than me. In comparison they are 10 years younger and weight 20 pounds less than my contacts in Argentina. They seem to be as hot as brazilian girls.



Hi,

the price of the appartment all depends on WERE it is situated....how much space...and savety. If you go in upscale barrios like miraflores or San Borja...280 usd for such an appartment you described is a bargain. Especialy for gringos. (since everyone wants to fuck you over for the buck...you know)
Surco is a normal barrio...not bad and not good....if you stay low profile you can walk alone at night through this area. rents for appartemnts could be less here.

yes lima is NOT that cheap ye know. Another pain inthe ass is the big distances in the city.

I bet these girls like Miraflores...sure they love to walk about with you in them expensive malls...and dine out at Tony Romans;-) Miraflores is THE most expensive barrio in all Lima. For me personaly it's nice to see at a drizzly afternoon...but i never want to live there...or meet girls there. Unless you REALY have some cash to burn!!!;-)


OOO and forget about argentinian girls. IMHO they are true snobs and arrogant shitheads. And peruvian girls are way prettier anyways:-) and have a better attitude! Hows that?
Besides the food rocks in Peru....and most things are way cheaper anyways.

CU

Johan

Mr Enternational
08-28-07, 13:20
I bet these girls like Miraflores...sure they love to walk about with you in them expensive malls...and dine out at Tony Romans;-) Miraflores is THE most expensive barrio in all Lima. For me personaly it's nice to see at a drizzly afternoon...but i never want to live there...or meet girls there. Unless you REALY have some cash to burn!!!;-)
Johan

I like to eat before a chick comes to see me so I will not have to spend the cash on them that they are expecting. Last month me and my wingman had chicks come through. I had already met them on the trip before. First, on the phone they asked me about them taking a taxi to where I was in Miraflores. I told them to hop their ass on the bus because I was not paying for any expensive taxis. (I think last time they begged me for 40 soles for a taxi, and me knowing that I have never even paid more than 20 to and from the airport. I ended up giving them 20 that time.) When they arrived they had an extra friend who I had not invited, knowing that I only had 1 friend and wanted to couple off. So it was 3 girls and 2 guys. The first thing they asked was about eating. I told them that we had already eaten and were not interested in going to a restaurant. They got pissed off and left. That showed that they were only interested in a free ride and living above how they are used to. (Last time they just started ordering lomo without even first asking if I would pay for their meal.)

That is more so an outlying case for me. Most of the chicks I meet are cool and only want to grab a pizza if anything.

Johan007
08-30-07, 15:42
I like to eat before a chick comes to see me so I will not have to spend the cash on them that they are expecting. Last month me and my wingman had chicks come through. I had already met them on the trip before. First, on the phone they asked me about them taking a taxi to where I was in Miraflores. I told them to hop their ass on the bus because I was not paying for any expensive taxis. (I think last time they begged me for 40 soles for a taxi, and me knowing that I have never even paid more than 20 to and from the airport. I ended up giving them 20 that time.) When they arrived they had an extra friend who I had not invited, knowing that I only had 1 friend and wanted to couple off. So it was 3 girls and 2 guys. The first thing they asked was about eating. I told them that we had already eaten and were not interested in going to a restaurant. They got pissed off and left. That showed that they were only interested in a free ride and living above how they are used to. (Last time they just started ordering lomo without even first asking if I would pay for their meal.)

That is more so an outlying case for me. Most of the chicks I meet are cool and only want to grab a pizza if anything.

well what can I say??? Welcome to South-America!

here EVERY women EXPECTS that a man pays all!!!!!!!!!!!! trust me....from cab fares....salon de beleza....to dinner....everything!!
Hell even if they take with them a friend (which you never evens aw) YOUR ASS is expected to pay!!
It was good you allready eat before ye met them... They always pull shit like this...and take 1-2 "friends"with them....just to let you pay.

Keep up that spirit Buddy!! Don't ruin SA!!!!:-)

It's good to read such posts here.

regards,

Johan

Stocks Man
09-03-07, 00:18
http://www.elcomercio.com.pe/clasificados/macro/clasificadoindex2.asp

Select departamentos 'se alquila'

Click on 'buscar'

Jchipper
09-06-07, 03:41
Want to buy in Miraflores, found a nice unit, new construction for 64, 900, any info on who or what may help to know about owning and residency here, I wil pay cash.

Chipper

Lima Busy
09-06-07, 19:12
Want to buy in Miraflores, found a nice unit, new construction for 64, 900, any info on who or what may help to know about owning and residency here, I wil pay cash.

Chipper
Make sure you have a tight contract and hold back at least a third until the elevator is operational. Good Luck on your new place! You can find residency info on the expat site or the Peruvian consulates website.
LB
LB

John Dust
09-07-07, 04:34
I'm scheduled to fly AA into Lima this Sunday through Miami. Are inexpensive quad band unlocked cell phones available for purchase at the MIA duty free shops, or should I buy in Peru? Does anyone have any brand recommendations at the lower end?

Regards,

Jay Boog
09-07-07, 12:49
greetings and salutations everybody.i've been lurking for awhile but this is my first official post.

i've been thinking long and hard about moving to peru....renting short(er) term initally, enrolling in a spanish language course and immersing myself in the culture.

i've read through this entire thread a few days ago and probably should've asked these questions while they were fresh in my head, so forgive me if i'm rehashing old stuff.that said there was a ton of good, insightful info to be had.

i'll address this to lima busy, but anybody with anything to add please chime in.

(1) lb, from what i could gather you went there with limited knowledge of the language?how did you fare? difficulties?

(2) you also mention yourself and a few buddies were planning on taking a spanish class at the uni...did you ever do that and if so, how was it?

(3) excluding dining out, what's the cost of beef, poultry, fish, fresh fruit and vegtables compared to a large na city?

(4) what would be a ballpark cost of having a maid come by say 3x per week to do housekeeping, laundry?

(5) a few parts to this question: how reliable is the high speed internet connections in lima? what about direct tv and the like... available? are there sports bars where you can go to watch nfl, fights and such?

thanks, any help appreciated,

jay

Lima Busy
09-07-07, 23:41
greetings and salutations everybody.i've been lurking for awhile but this is my first official post.

i've been thinking long and hard about moving to peru....renting short(er) term initally, enrolling in a spanish language course and immersing myself in the culture.

i've read through this entire thread a few days ago and probably should've asked these questions while they were fresh in my head, so forgive me if i'm rehashing old stuff.that said there was a ton of good, insightful info to be had.

i'll address this to lima busy, but anybody with anything to add please chime in.

(1) lb, from what i could gather you went there with limited knowledge of the language?how did you fare? difficulties?

(2) you also mention yourself and a few buddies were planning on taking a spanish class at the uni...did you ever do that and if so, how was it?

(3) excluding dining out, what's the cost of beef, poultry, fish, fresh fruit and vegtables compared to a large na city?

(4) what would be a ballpark cost of having a maid come by say 3x per week to do housekeeping, laundry?

(5) a few parts to this question: how reliable is the high speed internet connections in lima? what about direct tv and the like... available? are there sports bars where you can go to watch nfl, fights and such?

thanks, any help appreciated,

jay
1. no problems in the tourist area of miraflores.
2. was not me! if you have a year or two icpna, a few months try el sol it is like $1,000 for 3-4 months.
3. hamburger $2-$5 per kg,filet mignon $9 per kg,fruit and veggies dirt cheap, do not eat fish but it looks expensive for the good stuff probably $15-$20 a kg
4. live in is about $150 a month. daily rate is $10-$15 per day.
5. cable is best most are reliable but speed is a question, direct tv widely available ( depending on which way the apt faces and building regulations).
depends on where you live, miraflores has the ¨corner¨ and old pub, .
hope this helps,
lb

Jay Boog
09-09-07, 03:13
1. no problems in the tourist area of miraflores.

2. was not me! if you have a year or two icpna, a few months try el sol it is like $1,000 for 3-4 months.

3. hamburger $2-$5 per kg,filet mignon $9 per kg,fruit and veggies dirt cheap, do not eat fish but it looks expensive for the good stuff probably $15-$20 a kg

4. live in is about $150 a month. daily rate is $10-$15 per day.

5. cable is best most are reliable but speed is a question, direct tv widely available ( depending on which way the apt faces and building regulations).

depends on where you live, miraflores has the ¨corner¨ and old pub, .

hope this helps,

lbthanks man

El Jugador
09-13-07, 22:11
Hey LB,

Returning back to Lima next week. Does Cafe Z still have wireless access.

Being that it is cold in Lima now, how comfortable would it be to work there for 5 o 6 hours a day.

Thanks!

Lima Busy
09-14-07, 18:21
Hey LB,

Returning back to Lima next week. Does Cafe Z still have wireless access.

Being that it is cold in Lima now, how comfortable would it be to work there for 5 o 6 hours a day.

Thanks!
Yes, they do. If you want warm Tanta has wi-fi as well and the food is pretty damn good!
LB

Jchipper
09-20-07, 05:03
Thanks for the info LB, the builder wants 20 percent down and the balance upon completion, but for the 110 mts its a good buy, new and in Miraflores, is it okay to PM you, I want to retrn to sign the papers in the first 2 weeks of Nov, thanks Chippeare.

Lima Busy
09-21-07, 18:16
Thanks for the info LB, the builder wants 20 percent down and the balance upon completion, but for the 110 mts its a good buy, new and in Miraflores, is it okay to PM you, I want to retrn to sign the papers in the first 2 weeks of Nov, thanks Chippeare.
Chipper,
You are the first guy to ask if it was ok to PM me! And yes it is.
LB

Polvo
09-21-07, 18:59
Yes, they do. If you want warm Tanta has wi-fi as well and the food is pretty damn good!
LBLB - I saw some people with laptops in the coffee house caddy corner to Tantas the other day (Brain Fart - can't remember the name...)!Any G2 if they have WiFi as well?

Polvo

Willydog
11-24-07, 06:33
Very clean, sexual, and disease free Man and hot wife love to share and swap.

Any interest in exchanging pics or chatting to start?

Polvo
12-07-07, 03:46
Magnitude 5.4
Thursday, December 06, 2007 at 08:40:59 PM at epicenter
Location 13.804°S, 76.465°W
Depth 19.2 km (11.9 miles)
NEAR THE COAST OF CENTRAL PERU
Distances 55 km (35 miles) SW of Chincha Alta, Peru
75 km (45 miles) WNW of Ica, Peru
200 km (125 miles) SSE of LIMA, Peru
235 km (145 miles) SW of Huancayo, Peru

Suerte!

Polvo

One Note Tony
02-19-08, 15:50
Want to buy in Miraflores, found a nice unit, new construction for 64, 900, any info on who or what may help to know about owning and residency here, I wil pay cash.

ChipperChipper,

Watch out about buying properity in Peru if you are not a resident. Certain countries like Colombia allow foreigners to buy properity but Peru has other laws. Spend the money and get a lawyer.

Adelante Siempre
03-08-08, 06:44
Chipper,

Watch out about buying properity in Peru if you are not a resident. Certain countries like Colombia allow foreigners to buy properity but Peru has other laws. Spend the money and get a lawyer.


Heard that last year they made private property ownership by foreigners more robust.
Has anyone heard that? Certainly with the Peru equivalent of NAFTA in place, that should not be surprising.
AS

Johan007
02-13-09, 01:16
Guys,

Anyone know how to obtain a permanent visa for Peru?

In paraguay it's quite easy. But takes about 2-3 MONTHS. How's this in Peru? Or do you do every 90 days or so a "visa-run"outside. And get a new stamp in your passports?

Take care

Johan

Lima Busy
02-13-09, 19:05
Here is the link http://www.expatperu.com/vrequirements.php
Have not looked thru it to see if it includes "new" changes but it should be current with regards to Permanent residence
Suerte,
LB

Samu Ray
02-14-09, 02:25
I used to take 16 hours bus ride to Peru-Ecuador border every three months,
it sure was a pain. Luckily, now, they will give you six months stay, at arrival.

Lima Busy
02-14-09, 03:18
I used to take 16 hours bus ride to Peru-Ecuador border every three months,
it sure was a pain. Luckily, now, they will give you six months stay, at arrival.
While it is a possibility, it is at the discretion of the official you meet and the possibility also exists that you will get 60 days with no possibility of extension!

Right now it will only cost you a dollar a day to overstay but with the world financial crisis look for countries in the "sweet spot" to toughen requirements in the future as reverse migration becomes the norm.

El Jugador
02-17-09, 01:47
Hi guys,

Im heading back to Lima this weekend for another extended stay. I'll be in Lima until the weather starts changes. One question, I am bringing in 2 laptops this time. Is this going to be a problem if I get the green light? I usually only bring in my work laptop, but this time Im bringing in a laptop for a friend. Will I have to pay taxes on this? If so how do they base these taxes?

Thanks.

Artisttyp
02-17-09, 03:02
Hi guys,

Im heading back to Lima this weekend for another extended stay. I'll be in Lima until the weather starts changes. One question, I am bringing in 2 laptops this time. Is this going to be a problem if I get the green light? I usually only bring in my work laptop, but this time Im bringing in a laptop for a friend. Will I have to pay taxes on this? If so how do they base these taxes?

Thanks.

If you get stopped why not say one notebook is for work (company owned) and the other is your own personal pc. If they are different brands I think it would work out even better.

Lima Busy
02-17-09, 03:38
Hi guys,

Im heading back to Lima this weekend for another extended stay. I'll be in Lima until the weather starts changes. One question, I am bringing in 2 laptops this time. Is this going to be a problem if I get the green light? I usually only bring in my work laptop, but this time Im bringing in a laptop for a friend. Will I have to pay taxes on this? If so how do they base these taxes?

Thanks.
Lots of guys do it (it is how I got mine) make sure it is not wrapped like new and no stickers or plastic wrapping. If you can not explain it away when you get stopped, you will have to pay the duties/taxes and it will be stamped in your passport to be refunded when you leave again (with both computers).

Lima Busy
02-17-09, 03:42
I am pretty sure that the majority of members are “baby boomer's” and many are married. If you do not fall into the first category or if you also fall into the second category, DO NOT READ ON!

Being a single baby boomer looking towards retirement in any of the developed economies is not very appealing unless you fall into the Multi-Millionaire category ( 3+ million). Likewise if you are destitute or have limited savings and no pension or Social Security, your choices are pretty much limited to Haiti!

If on the other hand you have worked hard/invested wisely/saved judiciously and were fortunate enough to dodge the recent financial bullet, Americans have choices from Mexico to Chile. While the bulk of the retired Americans will be driving around there 55+ communities in there golf carts with there 55+ wives, how will you fit in?

I have never seen a discussion on “Single Retirement” and this is probably as good a place as any!

I retired in Lima at 49 after getting “laid-off” from my former retirement in NYC at 37. Subsequently I got married and had a son and am now Semi-retired for the foreseeable future!

People will tell you Lima,Bogotá,San Jose,Panama City or maybe even the DR. I will only address Lima as it is my town and others can feel free to discuss other countries in their appropriate threads.

Many factors come into play Weather/Cost of Living/Quality of life/Safety/Political climate/Medical and Dental care. Climate change is an issue as well and it has and will continue to affect you (where ever) as it effects us. Lima is experiencing cooler summers and it is starting to rain occasionally. CAM will experience much more frequent and severe hurricanes and Jungle areas more flooding severe thunderstorms etc.

Lima is susceptible to earthquakes and tsunami's along with any country on the pacific coast and Volcanic activity can effect many countries in the region as well.

In many large cities “having a girlfriend or 3” is not a problem if you are financially secure/active/attractive/personable and so it is with Lima (probably more so with 9 million plus people)!

If your reading this you have more than likely been here and know if a coastal desert city is for you. You probably are aware that health/dental care is top notch if you have PRIVATE INSURANCE and has a reputation for the “Best food” in all North and South America.

But what about money? I have seen guys try to live here on $2,000-$10,000 a month and the closer you are to $2,000 the less chance you will have the quality of life you require. I did some rough calculations below and $3500 a month is a good number if you can live with the following.

A nice non-oceanfront apartment 5 min walk to town or the beach add $800 more for oceanfront.
A yearly travel budget of $8,000
a very good “international coverage” health policy.
Other assumptions:
Sol/dollar 3/1
Three months security $2,000
Furnishing $8,000
Country club member $6,000
Car $20,000
Starting capital = $15,000-$40,000

Monthly budget
Rent 2100
ELectric 30
Gas 30
Cable^Internet^phone 220
food cost break & dinner 400
Maint & tax. apartment 250
housekeeper 2x weekly 150
Health Ins 700
home ins 50
Cell phone 60
Menu-5 times week 200
restaurant 700 2x per week
Misc.Dates/drinks/movies 3000
Dental 100
Country club dues 300
travel 2000 4 x per year
presents 300 Liquid Assets
5% return
Total expense/ Soles 10590 127080 450000 800000 surplus
Dollars 3530 37112

$3530 40000 287.5
SSI or pension payments$1500 $18000
shortfall $2030 21712.5 22500 787.5



If you have a pension/SSI of $1500 a month then you would need $486,000 in liquid assets (400,000 after initial expenses) earning 5% to accomplish this. If you have no pension or are retiring early you would need $800,000 liquid assets to accomplish the same.
Suerte,
LB

Sly One
02-17-09, 08:23
For anyone who knows me.

Knows I do not leed a typical lifestyle.

But I still concur with Lima Busy.

I have a girlfriend + maid. Both who live with me.

I live in a rented 3 bedroom apartment overlooking the ocean.

On a standard of living scale I live about an 8/10 very good.

My costs
USD Soles @3.2
Rent $1,600
Food $800
Maid $250
Elect $100
Dinners 2 x week x 3 persons $700
Taxis $100
Personal $600
$4,150 per month S/. 13,280

Sly

John Gault
02-17-09, 16:52
I am pretty sure that the majority of members are “baby boomer's” and many are married. If you do not fall into the first category or if you also fall into the second category, DO NOT READ ON!

Being a single baby boomer looking towards retirement in any of the developed economies is not very appealing unless you fall into the Multi-Millionaire category ( 3+ million). Likewise if you are destitute or have limited savings and no pension or Social Security, your choices are pretty much limited to Haiti!

If on the other hand you have worked hard/invested wisely/saved judiciously and were fortunate enough to dodge the recent financial bullet, Americans have choices from Mexico to Chile. While the bulk of the retired Americans will be driving around there 55+ communities in there golf carts with there 55+ wives, how will you fit in?

I have never seen a discussion “Single Retirement” and this is probably as good a place as any!

I retired in Lima at 49 after getting “laid-off” from my former retirement in NYC at 37. Subsequently I got married and had a son and am now Semi-retired for the foreseeable future!

People will tell you Lima,Bogotá,San Jose,Panama City or maybe even the DR. I will only address Lima as it is my town and others can feel free to discuss other countries in their appropriate threads.

Many factors come into play Weather/Cost of Living/Quality of life/Safety/Political climate/Medical and Dental care. Climate change is an issue as well and it has and will continue to affect you (where ever) as it effects us. Lima is experiencing cooler summers and it is starting to rain occasionally. CAM will experience much more frequent and severe hurricanes and Jungle areas more flooding severe thunderstorms etc.

Lima is susceptible to earthquakes and tsunami's along with any country on the pacific coast and Volcanic activity can effect many countries in the region as well.

In many large cities “having a girlfriend or 3” is not a problem if you are financially secure/active/attractive/personable and so it is with Lima (probably more so with 9 million plus people)!

If your reading this you have more than likely been here and know if a coastal desert city is for you. You probably are aware that health/dental care is top notch if you have PRIVATE INSURANCE and has a reputation for the “Best food” in all North and South America.

But what about money? I have seen guys try to live here on $2,000-$10,000 a month and the closer you are to $2,000 the less chance you will have the quality of life you require. I did some rough calculations below and $3500 a month is a good number if you can live with the following.

A nice non-oceanfront apartment 5 min walk to town or the beach add $800 more for oceanfront.
A yearly travel budget of $8,000
a very good “international coverage” health policy.
Other assumptions:
Sol/dollar 3/1
Three months security $2,000
Furnishing $8,000
Country club member $6,000
Car $20,000
Starting capital = $15,000-$40,000

Monthly budget
Rent 2100
ELectric 30
Gas 30
Cable^Internet^phone 220
food cost break & dinner 400
Maint & tax. apartment 250
housekeeper 2x weekly 150
Health Ins 700
home ins 50
Cell phone 60
Menu-5 times week 200
restaurant 700 2x per week
Misc.Dates/drinks/movies 3000
Dental 100
Country club dues 300
travel 2000 4 x per year
presents 300 Liquid Assets
5% return
Total expense/ Soles 10590 127080 450000 800000 surplus
Dollars 3530 37112

$3530 40000 287.5
SSI or pension payments$1500 $18000
shortfall $2030 21712.5 22500 787.5



If you have a pension/SSI of $1500 a month then you would need $486,000 in liquid assets (400,000 after initial expenses) earning 5% to accomplish this. If you have no pension or are retiring early you would need $800,000 liquid assets to accomplish the same.
Suerte,
LB
LB, thanks for all the effort you put into this fine report.
Once you meet the income limits then the key, and it is a huge key is the the value of the dollar if your income is US based.Right now it is at a very good exchange rate.
i have been looking at the same thing in Colombia, and the dollar is strong there also. Maybe some gold would help if the dollar gets weak?

Lima Busy
02-17-09, 19:51
LB, thanks for all the effort you put into this fine report.
Once you meet the income limits then the key, and it is a huge key is the the value of the dollar if your income is US based.Right now it is at a very good exchange rate.
i have been looking at the same thing in Colombia, and the dollar is strong there also. Maybe some gold would help if the dollar gets weak?
Thanks,
The problem I had was putting the excel worksheet into ISG and so I realize it is difficult to read and make sense of.

If your income (SSI or Pension is US based) than the value of the dollar relative to the currency of the country you live in is of concern except for dollar based economies such as Ecuador or Panama.

If you have liquid assets of ($800,000) and can generate a LT return of 5% + inflation in your adopted countries currency, you could maintain this lifestyle as well. If you only had $700,000 you could buy an apartment (100k) and only need 600k for the same lifestyle. The caveat being by buying, you take on more political risk and unlike Colombia there are no restrictions on taking your money in and out of Peru. (subject for different discussion)

It is obvious that the Dollar will lose it value (as will most fiat currencies)in the future and a certain percentage (normally 10% is recommended) should be in the physical asset(gold). Personally I would go much higher but now you run into storage risk and typically 6-10% transaction cost.

As the worlds fifth largest producer of Gold this has shielded Peru somewhat from the global recession (2008 official growth of 9.8%) and Jan 2009(annualized 5.6%) before the effects of the $3 billion stimulas.

Remember that real estate prices for now are in Dollars(no official reason) and many of us are perplexed as to what would happen to R.E. prices if the dollar lost it's value.

This is a topic of great interest to those considering retirement. My thinking runs counter-intuitive to the others as I believe if prices do not rise (as the dollar falls) then the market will refuse dollars and force conversion into Soles.

6 years ago when I decided to retire here (the economics) were far simpler. We new R.E. in the USA was peaking/ stocks were in a bull market/oil and other dollar denominated commodities were booming as the dollar weakened.

We new Peru R.E. was cheap by any measure (did not know it would double so soon) and by most measures it is still undervalued.

LB

Artisttyp
02-17-09, 20:58
LB,

I was curious to know what your opinion is regarding the different types of visas and having the freedom to come and go as you please.

I read somewhere that if you have an investors visa ( you invest $10,000 or more in peru) you are audited everytime you leave the country for possible leins or debts owed to people. Is this true ?

Also do you think if I butterflied from place to place(in SA) that it would be less of a hassle then applying for a visa in each place? How realistic is it to think you can do this for years?

I ask these qustions because what if someone moves to lima and decides it isn't the place for them. Would I need to undo what has already been done or can I just leave without notification ?

I think the comments regarding the "risks" associated with living in lima are valid. If an earthquake ever hit lima it would be a total disaster...far worse than hurricane katrina. Would a tsunami be able to reach miraflores ie. parque kennedy from larcomar? I can see that happening in san miguel for sure.

The $8000 a year travel money would be a must have. I would need to get out of there for at least 3/4 months a year. Then there are problems that arise with holding on to your apartment etc.

An ideal situation would be to spend the winter months in the DR but the DR has serious issues as well. The number two leading cause of illness in the DR is "leptospirosis" which is an illness aquired from food tainted with rat [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). I have no idea what number one is.

All these places I am considering have problems. Ideally I would rather be in america cerca 1970's even the 80's. Although the older I get the more I respect time. I'm tired of being limited here in the USA. Why waste time. Why not venture out of your comfort zone and live instead of hunkering down in the US just trying to get by. It's depressing.

All of you that live in foreign countries took a bold move and I have alot of respect for you.


Vick Picks - I would say colombia is similar to argentina. It can be very cheap or very expensive depending on where you go. This summer I was in medellin with a 1600 to $1 exchange rate then a few months later at 2400. I don't have to tell you that the 2400 exchange rate made for a much better time. How awful would it be to move somewhere then have the same problems as you had in the states. These places change at the drop of a dime.

The 1600 exchange rate gave me the lifestyle that I had in the late 80's here in new york...meaning I could eat out for $10/12 maybe see some movies hit some budget pfp but it is far from the glamorous lifestyle that we all dream of. Take into account you need to start from scratch all over again friends lovers jobs hobbies etc.

I think one needs to see what comes out of this economy. Anything can happen.

Lima Busy
02-18-09, 03:59
LB,

I was curious to know what your opinion is regarding the different types of visas and having the freedom to come and go as you please.

I read somewhere that if you have an investors visa ( you invest $10,000 or more in peru) you are audited everytime you leave the country for possible leins or debts owed to people. Is this true ?

Also do you think if I butterflied from place to place(in SA) that it would be less of a hassle then applying for a visa in each place? How realistic is it to think you can do this for years?

I ask these qustions because what if someone moves to lima and decides it isn't the place for them. Would I need to undo what has already been done or can I just leave without notification ?

I think the comments regarding the "risks" associated with living in lima are valid. If an earthquake ever hit lima it would be a total disaster...far worse than hurricane katrina. Would a tsunami be able to reach miraflores ie. parque kennedy from larcomar? I can see that happening in san miguel for sure.


A lot of questions to answer in one post!

Visa's
Many types but the only ones that would interest most retiree is "Rentista".
You can qualify with a guaranteed payment of $1,000 per month from a pension/trust/SSI/disability payment.

"investor" this requires starting or investing in a company ($25,000) with a business plan approved by Peru and requires you create 5 jobs in the first two years.

It is better not to invest for residence as there is no "tax treaty" with the USA and you will trigger a 30% tax on "WORLDWIDE INCOME".

Notwithstanding, In order to leave the country like a "work visa" you will have to submit a form showing all taxes are paid. Debts like mortgages are different (I have) and do not require a form.

You only need a "turist visa" to move around from country to country. Different regs in different countries, ex. in Peru overstaying your visa incurs a fine of one dollar per day in Colombia it is $200 dollars a day. I know guys that have been living in Lima for 20 years on tourist visa's as they work all over the world but live here.

Once you do settle down you do not want the hassle of living on someone else's schedule!

If you do not like living here and have not bought anything, you leave whenever you want and only risk your apartment security deposit (2 months).

Tsunami risk is not in Miraflores/Barranco/etc but in the beach areas below the cliffs and the popular beach towns just south of here were we all go on the weekends.

Quakes, the big one!
Experienced many here in Lima with only minor damage and we had an 8.2 in 2007 100 miles away that rocked us pretty hard. New buildings in the upscale area's are designed to take a 8.0 direct hit. But this risk is the same here and in Chile,Ecuador,Colombia and NYC, I might add.

El Jugador
02-18-09, 21:06
if any of you guys work remotely from your laptop from cafe z or another location near miraflores, can you run a test of the internet speed. at http://www.speedtest.net/. not sure it will work. works fine in the us.
just was curious what type of upload/download speeds you are getting compared to us.

thanks.

Sly One
02-19-09, 00:20
903 and 89 kps distance 1150 miles.

sly

Polvo
02-19-09, 18:20
if any of you guys work remotely from your laptop from cafe z or another location near miraflores, can you run a test of the internet speed. at http://www.speedtest.net/. not sure it will work. works fine in the us.
just was curious what type of upload/download speeds you are getting compared to us.

thanks.

i use skype and live video feeds from there. no problem.

suerte!

polvo

Polvo
02-19-09, 18:26
For anyone who knows me...Knows I do not leed a typical lifestyle......
My costs
USD Soles @3.2
Rent $1,600
Food $800
Maid $250
Elect $100
Dinners 2 x week x 3 persons $700
Taxis $100
Personal $600
$4,150 per month S/. 13,280

Sly

And all the free pussy you can eat!!

Suerte!

Polvo

El Jugador
02-19-09, 19:40
Thanks Sly, y Polvo.
I VPN into my work everyday so need a fast connection.