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Just to clarify why I consider those 2 losers as only one business, even if in theory they may be registered as different companies.
I booked my apartmet in advance before arriving in Rio through the gringomanagement website and dealt with David. He looked a good guy, but when I arrived in Rio what I found was what I already described below: an unacceptable shithole that had nothing to do with what I had booked.
The guy that did the airport transfer gave me the BlameitonRio card and told me to go to their office to sort it out. It took me a few days to find another apartment (it was high season -at the end of last year- and all seemed to be taken, even hotels were fully booked), obviously I booked the next apartment with a different rental agent, but in the meantime I had to go several times to the Blameitonrio office and dealt with both Bobby and David as well as a girl that was employed there. I got the feeling it was just a single company with different names because they operated together in my case.
Regardless of whether or not they have independently registered companies it seemed quite clear to me that they were operating as a joint business.
To be honest, they didn't look bad guys, they are simply incompetent, disorganised, unreliable and negligent. My first experience with them was so dreadful that I am not going to try them again 20 more times to check if that was just a one-off experience. Once was enough for me.
And that is why I wouln't recommend any of those 2 losers to anyone else.
Love Rio Women
06-19-04, 19:50
Gladiator,
That is a fair explaination of why you do not like the services. Now lets talk about all the beauitful women and the fun you can have in Rio. You go to Rio to have the time of your life. I do at least. The women in Ipanema beach in front of Ceasar Park hotel and all along Ipanema. I love to walk there on a Sunday and just look and enjoy the surroundings. After that I go to Solaium. Nice way to end the Sunday.
Fartknocker
06-19-04, 20:30
Any of you extra-smart fellas who frequent this area notice that Mr. "Love Rio Women" has about 5 posts, and every one of them is either a defense or a glowing review of BlameitonRio travel?
Smell a rat? I do.
I have also dealt with both Bobby and David and they do have some kind of affiliation. Bobby can be a little slow returning e-mails but not more than a day or two. Last visit I had a couple of minor problems ( not enough towels), Bobby sent a girl over an hour later with towels and extra sheets.
I know a couple of American guys in Rio that say Bobby is a good guy. I have talked to Bobby a couple times while out at night (MP, Terraco) and he always seems like a great guy to me. I have used Bobby or David on 4 different Rio trips and each time they have set me and my buddies up nicely.
Point is--nobody can gurantee a perfect thing, but I'll take my chances with these guys.
This is not an advertisment--but just my experience (no I am not Bobby or David)
Later
LatinTraveller
06-20-04, 02:07
All that know the Rio scene know that Bobby and Blamitonrio provide no service whatsoever. They are to be avoinded at all costs. Can I be clearer.?
Take care
Latintraveller
Love Rio Women
What have you been smoking pal?
As anyone that has ever done business with me knows my phone is on from the time I wake up in the morning about 7am until 9 or 10 PM every night 7 days week..
I also answer my e-mails personally and usually within 24 hours of receipt of them. I'm not perfect but I do try.
I have had many people ask me what I think about Bobby and I always tell them that I don't think about Bobby.
An office, what difference does that make when you can't get what you want anyway.
You might also be surprised to see that you might get the same prices on Travel, just by going to the Airlines website yourself.
All, Don't take the bait. I'ts obvious who it is. Best not to waste valuable forum space on shilling.
Wanderer1000
06-21-04, 01:35
Went to Solarium Terma the other evening - my first time. The guy at the front desk spoke good English and was a comedian. One of the things that raised a red flag for me was his joking about if I want to leave a tip when I´m done. The only reason I thought anything odd about it was that last year on my first trip here, I had the front desk girl at Quatro y Quatro ask me if I wanted my change after telling me how cheap it was for Americans. This guy also made a funny line about how cheap it is for me.
Well, my instincts were right (not good enough for me to be paranoid afterwards). As part of his jokes afterwards he throws in if I wanted to tip. I laughed and told him if I tipped anybody it would be the girl. My bill was R231 and I gave R251. I was still talking with him when the girl that worked the register handed me what I thought was two tens and the ticket to give the guy out front. I didn´t pay attention much as I took it as I was still talking to the guy. When I get out the door and take the ticket off the top of my money, I notice there is only one ten. I look back to see if I dropped it, but I know I didn´t.
I should have gone back in and confronted the guy, but instead I just said "F... this place" to myself since I immediately new I wouldn´t be coming back after this kind of crap.
I´ve travelled a lot in non-first-world countries, and I still have a problem with this kind of "f... with the rich American" BS. I´ve been to Luomos twice in my four days here already, and I haven´t had any of this attitude come up at all. The three times I went to Luomos last August, I also had no attitude or games run on me.
So far I´ve hit four termas in both of my visits and I have to say I like Luomos the best all-around.
Have any of you other guys got this BS treatment at any of the termas?
Wanderer1000
06-21-04, 01:53
Checked out Help last night for the first time this trip. I thought it was good to check on a Saturday night. I would have to agree with the crowd that says Help does not have good, quality women.
I´ll admit I think I´m rather selective. Out of the apparently several hundred women there I thought I would find several that would make me stare. Really - I counted maybe 5-6 women I would rate a 7, and maybe two that I would give an 8. No 9´s or 10´s. The two 8´s were out on the dance floor, and one of them was with another guy. Keeping to the spirit of "it only takes one", I ended up very happy with this pick. It was a R300 quote that I got down to R200 - but I could see why she would ask that in a place like this when one looks at her competition. I think she only came down in price since we connected pretty well and I don´t come off as too much of a dork - but what do I know.
I don´t feel too excited to spend much time at Help on this trip. I´ll probably stop in now and then for a change of pace - but it is pretty amazing that out of all the women there, the quality is low.
Rabo Verde
06-21-04, 04:06
JAK that is $3!!!! Relax and enjoy yourself!
Only Looking
06-21-04, 05:55
Solarium is the only place they pull the tip bullshit. I just laugh and walk out. Why the fuck should I tip the desk people? Luomo is a class act. Small compared with the Centro places but great attitudes from the desk, the girls and the bar tender make it worth the while.
Only Looking
06-21-04, 05:59
I dealt with the David/Bobby combo o my first trip. I had a lot of problems with the apartment (bathroom, AC etc). I was moved after a couple of days and Bobby did try to make it up to me by giving me some money back and a free city tour.
Bobby is a nice guy but the next time I went I got a MUCH better and MUCH cheaper apartment from another contact.
Blameitonrio and Gringo management deal with novice Americans but once you know a little better you can do much better for yourself.
Jak,
I was in Rio last month for a week. The only negative I had in the termas was at Soarium. A couple of girls kept bugging me for drinks, I have never had this happen (in a termas) but still no big deal.
My first few times in Rio I always thought Monte Carlo was the best but my last 2 visits L'oumo has the better selections. For performance and price 4x4 is really hard to beat. Met a girl named Stella at 4x4--she speaks perfect english, said she lived in Colorado for 6 years as an exchange student. She says she loves sex and likes giving head the entire hour if the guy she is with is into it (she also likes anal--not my thing though). Stella is really cool to talk with. I took her for the hour in one of the simple suites, she gave me about a half hour of BBBJ while I laid back and watched the porn on the mounted TV. After this we went through all the poaitions. Great girl.
It's almost hard to have a bad time in a termas. If anyone is interested I'll give you run-down on the others I visited.
Later
Rabo Verde
06-21-04, 07:34
Anybody got a lead on an apartment or condo for rent in Sao Conrado?
Bobby must be desperate to be posting here under other names. I guess his poor reputation and poor work ethic is finally catching up with him. Maybe his business is failing also? It seems that he could be his own worst enemy.
jak-
actually i had a very good time at solarium when i went a couple of months ago.....when i first got there i was explained how the system worked. (i misunderstood the guy, i thought he said pay the girl directly. my bad). anyway i had a great time with my fist selection...jennifer a tall dark hair thin (average) beauty. she was a sexual animal that pratically threw me on the bed and raped me. (no complaints...it was great) lots of dfk, bbj, daty, cfs (twice in the 40 mins)...gave her the r$100. went back up to the bar, lots more dfk, she kept putting her hand in my robe and grabbing my sausage and stroking away....
oooh ya...
next girl (i had to ditch jennifer, as i had my eye on this one since i walked in.) this next one michele, a elisha cuthbert lookalike.....not as agressive as the first girl, but it was like taking the virginity from the cute girl next door. she seemed very inexpierienced and nieve. but she was soooo cute made up for it. gave her the $r100...
i honestly thought they told me to pay the girl directly when i came in. i went down stairs my bill (two girls, one of them twice) a few beers a few drinks for the girls. $r370.....
when i got to the front desk they told me $r200 cash (for the girls) plus $r170 for every thing else. i explained what i did and what i thought they said. the guy said no problem, went and talked to the girls, got the $$ came down and said ok just the $r170...put it on mastercard....on my way...they were very nice.
had an equally good time at 4x4.
i did take a couple of girls from help back to my hotel. ok with that. one did spend the whole night for just $r150. good deal!
but then she did not want to leave in the am, she wanted to spend some time with me.....for free...i wanted to move on and just relax to i kicked her out......
all in all i had a great time....9 girls in 5 days...all fairly hot....
total spent on girls about $r1000...around $300usd....great deal since most us escorts want that for 1 hour......
A question for those who have experience with Rio escort services:
I have seen several glowing reports regarding these in my research preparation for my upcoming trip in September. As many of you know, here in the U.S. if you use an escort, she (or the agency) will quote a rate for "up to an hour." Of course that means as soon as you pop, the girl has her clothes on and is out the door before you blink, even if it's only been 20 minutes.
My question is; what is the deal with the Rio escort services? Does the girl stay for the entire time agreed to (1 hr., 2 hrs.) for as many times as you can go in the time alotted? Do they tend not to be clock watchers?
Also, one of the posters here said that many of the girls will give you their number in order to contact them outside the agency. What's in it for you if she does that? Obviously she doesn't have to share her fee with the agency, but does she usually charge less (100 reis agency rate seems pretty cheap to begin with) or do you pay the same rate, but get more time, etc?
Thanks. I have several years of experience in Thailand, but am a newbie to the Rio scene and appreciate any advice.
Will be getting into Rio this Wednesday. Want to rent a cell phone. Any recommendations with least amount of hassle? I only know about BlameItOnRio place next to the Tudo e Facil internet cafe. Come to think of it I think they rent phones there also. Which is the best option?
Thanks in advance,
Almotu
Hello guys,
All my experience is in SE ASIA, so I need to make some very quick travel arrangements for RIO. I'm in the SW USA right now, and would like to go to RIO within two weeks.
If anyone can PM me with info on exactly where to stay(honest apartment broker?), best agency/place for prettiest young girls, and any other helpful info. Also what's the fastest way to get a VISA?
I have looked through nearly all the pages here, but accurate information seems to be hard to find. Thanks!!!
Jak, re: tips
I've gotten the "add a tip?" question a number of times at 4x4, but never at Solarium. I took the advice of a friend, and when they ask, I smile and say, "Não obrigado." (No thank you.) After a few times, they quit asking.
CaptainNemo
06-22-04, 16:48
I did give a tip in 4X4 when the service was provided.
There was one time, I lost my key and did not know how long I lost it. So, I talked to the girls at front desk. They were very helpful. Asked me how many drinks I had and girls, etc. They set up a new bill for me. Immediately provided me a new key and helped to move my stuff to a new box.
Love Rio Women
06-22-04, 16:53
Carla Escort is my favorite. If you do not like what they send just send them back. Sometimes they send someone you did not ask for. Sometimes they are better and some times not. The girls most of the time stay for the entire time. It depends on you and her. That is from my experience. The girls give you there number so you can call them direct. They become friends not just working girls. That happens alot with Rio girls. You will love it.
Travel Addict
06-22-04, 23:32
Agency questions:
The girls tend not to be clockwatchers, and if you treat them nice and offer a soda, they are in no hurry to leave. HOWEVER, the agency IS a clockwatcher, and the girls are required to call in when they arrive and when they leave, so, especially if it is a busy night, they will be under pressure to leave. The 2 pop is pretty much up to the girl, but if you pay for 2 hours there should be no problem, wouldn't hurt to give the poor girl a tip tho!
If you make arrangements see the girl outside the agency she will generally be more relaxed and you can take her to lunch, beach, Sugarloaf, etc., without worrying about time constraints. Many of the girls are quite charming and nice, so you may enjoy this, especially if you speak some Portuguese. I suppose you could argue that you should pay half price, since they don't have to split with the agency, but hey 100R =$33, so come on, be a nice guy!
JoshJosh69
06-23-04, 02:48
Shouldn't all of us frequent travellers be saavy enough to get our own apartment and not use these guys everyone is ranting about? Those guys (Bob, etc.) are great for when it's your first time in Rio and you don't know any better. For gosh sakes! Learn Portuguese and find your own places.
How is the Brazillian girl compared 2 for instance the Thai bargirl in that they will immediatly act as your girlfriend. Attach themselfs to you and then try and scam as much money out of you as possible (I'm not saying that this is all the girls, but alot of them).
What is the main difference between the Brazillian girl and the Thai girl?
Does anyone know if the HELP disco has a website on the internet or otherwise if there is any other contact info!
Thanx guys!
Dutch Boy,
I was on it maybe 4-5 months ago and I will try and find it again and post it here. Loads of pics so good idea of the girls. The web address is not anything normal though, it was numeric like www.9883938888ht.com. Something really stupid that would not be searchable even in google.
HELP Disco:
http://80.78.233.178/index.htm
Cash Works
06-24-04, 15:26
Dutch Boy,
It's been a number of years since I've been to either place, but I have to say that of all the cultures/nationalities I've encountered, Thai and Brazillian women are my favorite. I can't decide which is best, I'd really like a woman who was half of each, or better yet, have at least one of each.
Thai women tend to be rather shy - I always found it annoying when, after spending an hour with them at the bar, you go back to your hotel room and the first thing they do is turn off the lights and say "I shy, I shy" (believe it or not, one of my buddies got this from the "banana girl" from one of those live shows). In some cases, the only way to get them to turn the lights back on is to accuse them of being a lady boy. Most of the Thai girls I was with were very passive/docile - also very talented at giving massages, liked to bathe me and, I suppose "pamper" me.
Brasillieras tend to be very passionate and seem to really enjoy/flaunt their femininity. They usually take pride in the way they look and enjoy showing off their body. They are more aggressive than Thai women when it comes to sex and getting what they want out of sex - Brasillieras expect you to be good in bed as well, where I think a lot of Thai girls would prefer that you're good in bed but they wouldn't think of complaining if you weren't. Brasillieras will also "pamper" you, but it's generally more festive, intended to lead up to more sex where Thai "pampering" seemed to be geared more towards total relaxation.
As far as the money thing goes - the only place I've ever been ripped off by pro's (or non-pro's, for that matter) is in the good ole USA. So, I can't give you a comparison there. Sounds to me from your post that if you're worried about spending too much money on a girl, then limit yourself to STR's - don't let her spend the night, don't take her to lunch, just take care of business and kick her out. Me, if I find a girl I really enjoy being with, I prefer the all nighters & if I wind up spending a couple days or weeks with her, it's still going to be cheaper than if I were doing the same thing in the USA with a non-pro - just make sure she knows that it's a temporary thing that's not leading up to marriage or any sort of relationship that lasts beyond your vacation.
CW
Try this:
http://www.discoteca-help.com/
Bandy
Dutch Boy,
Thai girls in general are better than Brazilians at making you believe that they really like you, it is much easier to find girlfriend-style pros in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket than in Rio. Pros in Rio tend to have a more professional attitude, even though you will still come across some real sweeties now and then, but not as often as in Thailand.
hello guys. leaving for bazil next week for 9 days. I'm a little confused about the money over there. I always travel with travelers checks but was told that the exchange rate is terrible on them plus the are not widely accepted over there. would like to know if I could just bring cash and is cash widely acceptable or will I have to exchange them for reals.
thanx for any help
Rabo Verde
06-24-04, 22:58
Don't bother taking much cash, you can use your ATM card in most ATM's (Look for the PLUS sticker) and you get a better exchange rate than changing cash.
Sunset Strip
06-24-04, 23:05
X MAN
I have not been down since January so things may have change a little, but I doubt it.
I never travel with lots of cash when going to Brazil. There really is no need. At times I will take out $400 US dollars before leaving to pay for an apartment or something.
However, it is just easier to use the ATM machines once in Rio. There is a Banco do Brasil in the airport that takes our cards. However, the most popular spot for gringos seems to be the Citibank inside the Blockbuster Video on Avenida NS Copacabana.
The thing about ATMs is that they give you the last quoted exchange rate. Other services seem to give you lower rates or the street rate. In no instance do I think you will ever get anything better than the official exchange rate which is what ATMs provide.
Plus, besides some services like my apartment renter, few people accept foreign dollars. So really there is no need to bring them unless you KNOW someone who will take them. JUst use the ATMs.
One warning is that there is a maximum daily withdrawal. I cannot remember what it is. That is why I have made sure my apartment renter takes US dollars. That way I do not have to worry about maxing out before hitting the beach and bars.
Can somebody let him know what the max. daily withdrawal is nowadays?
TJ
Wanderer1000
06-25-04, 00:18
X-man,
I think many posts have been made in the past about the ATM´s in Rio, and each time there were some posters that said enough of this conversation already.
Nevertheless, I have a card that works for the Cirrus and Plus system. The only bank I´ve found to accept my card is the HSBC bank. There are two on Copacabana Avenue about a five to ten minute walk in either direction from the Help disco area. I can´t use it in about seven or eight other ones I tried. I´m glad I used the one at the airport on the second floor after immigration before coming into the city. Also, when I used the ATM on Saturday (they have a R1,000 daily limit), it wouldn´t let me withdraw until Tuesday, since it had something to do with the weekend. Also, ATM´s close at 10 PM.
With this said, I would bring some US dollars - I´ve travelled a lot, and I have found Rio to be one of the more difficult large cities to use an ATM. Forget Travellers Checks.
Using the Atm is of course the best way to go but if you prefer to use travellers cheques then the American Express office in the Copacabana Palace hotel in Rio does give the going rate for their travellers cheques.
I know that the discussion about Blameitonrio4travel has died down but I just found this post on another travel site about Rio and it is so on the point as to what has been said here I had to cut and paste it:
"Over the last two weeks I have sent four emails to the Caesar Park Ipanema, a few to Marina Palace in Leblon and have tried to track down a travel agent called Blame It On Rio, which also seems to have disappeared. So far no responses. When I try to use my Caesar Park registration number to log in and seek to make reservations I receive a technical difficulties message. Rio is no doubt a fun place, but......Has anyone recently stayed on the beach in a room looking out to the beach and sea in either Ipanema or Leblon at a good / efficient / reliable and somewhat luxurious hotel ? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. "
To Jak and X-man
Re:
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I think many posts have been made in the past about the ATM´s in Rio, and each time there were some posters that said enough of this conversation already.
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With this said, I would bring some US dollars - I´ve travelled a lot, and I have found Rio to be one of the more difficult large cities to use an ATM. Forget Travellers Checks.
I have been very successful cashing travellers checks at a Cambio across the street from the Presidente, the side street next to the Othon Palace. I remember getting competitive rates there.
Cheers.
Fartknocker
06-25-04, 05:35
The ATM's give the best rates, but finding one that will work with your card can be a pain in the ass. In Cabo Frio, where I spent most of four months, there was ONE machine in town that would work -- and believe me, I think I tried them all. Make sure to make a list for yourself of all the ATM's that actually work with foreign cards.
I've run into a couple of different limits on the ATM's. The first is the R$ 1,000 daily limit. The second is a nightime limit. The ATM I used wouldn't let me withdraw more than R$100 between 10 pm and the following morning.
This is to discourage these "flash kidnappings" that the local scumbags invented. They grab you, take you to an ATM and make you withdraw the limit on all of your cards, and then wait till after midnight and make you withdraw the limit again. Then if you were good they let you go. This actually happened to a Brazilian friend of mine years back. Nowadays the banks have gotten hip to this bullshit and limit your nightime withdrawls.
Anyway, do your banking during the day. You don't want to pick up a couple of Help hotties and have your party spoiled when you can't score the cash to pay them.
Oh, and by the way, if you don't call the bank who issued your credit/debit card before you leave, they may shut the card down when they suddenly see large cash withdrawls in a foreign country. Even if you do call them, they may shut it off just because they are incompetant assholes. So do keep a bit of US currency on you to exchange in case someone at your bank has a brainfart.
Hi,
First time poster here. X-man, about a year ago I took traveler checks with me but figuring I would get the best rate at the banks, I tried to cash them in there. They kept stalling me until after about 15 minutes the cashier says they do not have enough to change it. It was bull-s**t and I left. I then went to a cambio and exchanged it for less than the going rate.
I now just get a cash advance from the atm's. Just make sure it is a international atm, or your card won't work. Even if you go to the citi-bank, some of the atm's are only for the local cards.
Quackup
guys,
on the atm issue in rio. depending which system you use and i speak from a european perspective, but there are hsbc and citibank offices on the avenida nossa senhora de copacabana. this is the big street one block from the beach. although they are abit rep001tered you can alwyas find one and always get money from them.
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Robin Hood
06-25-04, 09:44
ATTENCION:
There are a ton of ATM's that will work with foreign credit cards/debit cards (displying the visa logo) that are everywhere in brasil.
1. ATM's displaying "banco24horas" in red
cut and paste link to find your city.
http://www.banco24horas.com.br/ienderec.html
2. Many "bradesco" bank, ATM's will work.
3. Let's not forget about "citibank".
4. last but not least at the airport.
This information should be in some kind of FAQ section.
Robinhood
ATM's:
Just find the nearest gas station. Lot's of them have "Stop n Go" type convenient stores attached. All have ATM's that will work with just about any card, credit or ATM.
Have to be in Rio for work. Figured I would get a quicker at one of the establishments in the afternoon. So which place really has the most attractive girls (quasi model type). Ones that aren't hardened pros but really girls in their 20s looking for nice easy pleasurable cash via a fuck!
Or am I dreaming and such a place doesn't exist. Opinions would be appreciated.
cheers,
Photo55
Hi,
I'm a Londoner and a Rio regular, goin in Sept. Any mongers wanna hook up for some hunting?
Done Rio 4 times, loved it, done Fortaleza and Recife too, loved it, but too many mulatas.
first time poster, hello to all. i am a 24 year old business man residing in the east cost of the usa. i have dated tons of girls and i could not seem to get over all of the brazilian girls i dated in the states. there are large concentrations of them in d.c, boston and that huge party every year in nyc. anyways i have no trouble dating girls here and after a trip with my x to leblon i know i had to come back with my boys. i would goto barrah shoppe and girls would hit on me in front of her. im 6'2 fairly handsome and muscular. my last trip was in january. i love to goto brazil for the new years eve celebration. its summer its festive xmas just happened people have money its a joyus time.
i have just started to pay for play as for the most part i have been doing more trade for sex. ie spend a few days with me and i will feed you, fuck you, and buy you some clothes i prefer more of a gfe relationship experince. i think non working girls are very easily had if you got a few things going for you. dress nice, look clean, workout, eat mildly healthy, know the language and smile alot. people really need to understand the diffrience bewteen a brazilian mind set and that of a european or an american. to a brazilian living in some crappy town with crappy weather no beach and nothing to do but the daily grind stinks. i mean is waking up going to work, coming home, doing some misc things, then repeating all over that fun? or my favorite is when americans goto a foreign country and do the same stuff here, ie watch tv, eat dinner, and goto sleep. watch the beach my point is free booty and a sexy travel compainion can be easily had if you are having fun and willing to spend some money. treat this sexy goddess as such and you will have all you want.
on safety i have had no problems on any of my travels. i try to dress nice, get tan and fit in. a gringo can almost look german, or german brazilian if you blend in well. i tan real well, speak well, and i always buy brand new clothes. i typically pack only my toiletrys, a few outfits, socks, underwear, cheap shoes, and gifts. i always goto a few sex shops or underwear stores and get the girls something nice. get like 10 pairs of victoria's secert underwear before you go. ********* very important as its more expensive there and you will be treatedly very nicely when you whip this out. i always try to make it seem like i bought it for her there and i hide the fact that i got it for whatever woman i met there. but buy brazilian clothes and outfits so that you just blend right in, they want to get us americans and euro's because we dont know any better. for gods sake if you have a nice body buy a speedo. of course stay away from the flavelahs, take cabs but feel you way on this. i have crawled home from help a few times and had no troubles, dumb yes, but i just had a feeling.
money, lodging etc. i typically try to go for 1 month. the longest i have gone is 3. i am not rich but i got a free ride in college, a good job, a small house and no bills so a month long trip doesnt really hurt me. notice no debt, if you plan on traveling abroad try to go with out oweing money and some way to generate passive income. i typically call ahead and let my apartment connection know im coming and i need a 2 bedroom place. so the first night or 2 i check into a hotel as i want to look at the apt before i pay or put a downpayment on the place. i usally bring like $1000 us cash, $1500 in travelers checks and then i rely on atm or money orders. a nice brazilian market in the states can wire money over here very cheaply at a nice exchange rate, line up a friend or family memeber who can send you emergency money if needed.
finding tail. i usally head off the to beach once i arrive and really take it in that im in paradise, i have money, and that makes me the best looking guy here :) (i am a handsome guy but brazil is truly a cash driven society in relationships, one of the previous post said it so right that he who has the cash rules. usally until i find a date or two i hit up the working girls. i am very picky like most of you im sure and i dont play around. try to be nice to pushy girls but remember a brazilian man wouldnt be so nice so if it gets too annoying be very foward almost mean.
btw, look into a case of the anti-hangover pills, dont rememebr the name but i tried some at a bar 2 weeks ago drank about 10 beers and felt fine the next day,
i dunno just some of my thoughts and ideas on how i do it. i am planning on another trip this jan if anyone wants to hang out and take this country by storm. it does get lonely having no guy friends or americans to talk to .
Wanderer1000
06-27-04, 02:23
Went to Terma Antigo yesterday on the advice from another American I talked with at Luomos. He said it was the same price as Luomos, but they had mostly "white girls" there. He also said it was real new facilities and very nice.
It was new-like facilities, and the price was about the same as Luomos (add about 25-30 reals RT taxi from Copacabana), but I wasn´t real impressed with the quality of the girls. There was only one mullata that I saw, and I ended up taking her (best looking chick in the place - father was an Indian from Manaus, and mother was a Carioca - very exotic looking - Julia). My impression of almost all the girls was that they were on the "thick" side - not my type, but could be a paradise for some guys. If it wasn´t for Julia, I´m not sure I would have bothered taking a chick. I´m not interested in another visit on this trip.
I continue to be impressed with Luomos. I just got back a few hours ago. It was great - had an hour with one of my favorites - Marina - she´s been mentioned by name by a couple other guys on this board in the last six or seven months. It was surprisingly crowded this evening, and they had the girls out in full force. The relaxation/television room had party streamers all over it and they had a free buffet set up on a table. Also, a new chick there named Mel (Honey) is highly recommended. She says she´s twenty, and she looks it. Very sweet, great smile - this girl could be a model (IMHO) - I plan to do her again.
In the past I have wrestled with the money issue when traveling to Brasil. As a precaution, one should bring traveler's checks and some cash. I always brought both along with a couple of credit cards. It is also true to call your credit card company and let them know of your plans.
I usually plcae all my meals on the credit cards to conserve my cash. The apartments I stay in have a place to lock up valuables.
HOWEVER. On one of my trips I obtained a CPF card which is similar to our social security cards here in the US. This CPF card/number allows you to open a bank account anywhere in Brasil. My top choice is Banco do Brasil because Western Union can wire money there and it can go directly into your bank account. They will isuue you a Visa ATM card and your troubles are solved. I would open more than one account to have flexibility.
If you go to Brasil alot, this is the best way. All you will need is a certified birth certificate, picture ID and passport. You have to know where to go. I first went to Banco do Brasil to get into the system and then later went to a civil court to apply for the card.
The only thing I can foresee going wrong might be resident status. At that time I had a girlfriend and I used her mailing address.
If thats the case I may know a friend that can help. But, he'll probably have his hand out.
I am in Rio now, and I have had NO problems getting cash from ATMS. I just called my bank before leaving and had my debit and credit cards noted to accept foreign charges and withdrawls up to 1000$USD. Also had no problem in BA
I do see a need for travelers checks. I used to use them a lot for travel, but no need in countries where credit cards are everywhere. More so than even the USA sometimes.
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to capitalize the word "I". To avoid future delays, please use a capital "I" to refer to yourself in future reports. Thanks!
Reporting from Rio. Quick once-over update on Termas.
L'uomo - entrance fee is $R50 if you partake with a girl it is discounted ($R35)
40mins FS - $R100 for the girl and $R50 for the cabine (small room - sometimes no bed! - just fuck on a rug, not comfortable)
60mins FS - $R150 for the girl and $R70 for the suite (bed with mirrors and sometimes a shower)
Pay the receptionist - girl fees must be CASH and credit card can be for everything else. It is open on Sundays - one of the few.
Solarium - (I went there for the first time on this trip) IMHO it is a bit of a trek for about the same quality as the other termas closer to Ave. Atlantica. Owned by the same people as Monte Carlo. (might go there again this trip later in the week)
Entrance fee is $R50 no discount. 40 mins FS - $R120 for the girl and $R50 for the room. (small with just a full size bed) 60 mins FS -
$R180 for the girl and $R50 for the room. Again Girl fees must be Cash and everything else can be on the credit card.
I went on a Saturday and it closed very early at 9pm because it becomes a couples only Swing Club at 11pm each Saturday night.
They still have the co-ed sauna on Sundays where sometimes couples fuck in the steam room and people can watch. But I was not a witness to this.
BTW Jak, which night were you at L'uomo this week? I was there Friday and I agree the talent continues to be impressive but it was very slow for the girls. There was only about 6 clients and 20 available girls. Girls continue to be very friendly if you make the first move otherwise it seem down right frosty.
I want to emphasize what another member posted in the Sao Paulo section. Dont be cheap. Tip a garota if she is really trying to give you a good time especially if she is not being pushy. By all means pay within the norm and dont get ripped off. Good clean fun can still be had for $R150 ST so don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) a girl off over $R50 which is less than $US17. She will have a better attitude if she knows you are not trying to lowball her too much.
Fellow Mongerers,
I have traveled all over Brazil, and I have dealt with all of the problems regarding money and having access to it an market exchange rates. I also have a CPF number, but it is not necessary unles you want to buy property or a car, for instance. A close Brasilian friend of mine told me what to do, as he avoids Banco Do Brasil like the plague.
Log on to HSBC Bank. They are world wide, and they have an enormous number of banks in Brasil - small and large towns. Each has an ATM which will give you debit cash out of your savings or checking account at daily market rates - on the spot. The free checking account card has the advantage of functioning as an ATM cash card and a MasterCard debit card for purchases in stores, etc.
Another option which I have used for years is City Bank which works the same way, but has fewer branches.
This allows me to avoid the Cambios and other money changers. I also carry about $1000 US cash in case all else fails. Always secure your cards and make photo copies of everything to be kept in a separate location, etc.
Fellow Mongerers,
I have traveled all over Brazil, and I have dealt with all of the problems regarding money and having access to it an market exchange rates. I also have a CPF number, but it is not necessary unles you want to buy property or a car, for instance. A close Brasilian friend of mine told me what to do, as he avoids Banco Do Brasil like the plague.
Log on to HSBC Bank. They are world wide, and they have an enormous number of banks in Brasil - small and large towns. Each has an ATM which will give you debit cash out of your savings or checking account at daily market rates - on the spot. The free checking account card has the advantage of functioning as an ATM cash card and a MasterCard debit card for purchases in stores, etc.
Another option which I have used for years is City Bank which works the same way, but has fewer branches.
This allows me to avoid the Cambios and other money changers. I also carry about $1000 US cash in case all else fails. Always secure your cards and make photo copies of everything to be kept in a separate location, etc.
To all - Reporting from Rio ;-) TERMAS Update
4x4 (Monday Night) got there just before 10pm.
Entry fee is $R30
Girl fee is $R130 (40mins) $R150 (60mins)
Room Fee - the receptionist did not say and I did not get to partake but my guess is $R50
A plus - you can pay everything on Credit or Debit Cards. A minus - it was $R16 taxi ride each way for me from Copacabana to this place in Centro area - seems like the downtown business area.
The club itself is a bit down-market. The music was banging and a good party atmosphere but dark and smokey and crowded even on this Monday night. There is a quieter restaurant like bar in another part of the termas but on this night is was completely empty. There were girls of every shape and size here. For some I felt embarrass for them, fat and homely looking chicks would approach you even though their gut is hanging out over their teeny tiny bikini thongs! The operative word here is BUNDA or ASS-ass-ass! Dark black girls, caramel colored morenas and lighter skin bottle blondes . . . 95% of them had big bubble butts. This place is John Stagliano aka Buttman's paradise.
Unfortunately for me, the action ends at 12:30am and after being nice to a couple of 'whales' I missed out on my target - this little blonde that looked like Tara Lipinski who hooked up real fast after just returning from the cabines. Oh well, another day will have to do.
Gentelmen,
Here´s a report from Rio. Have been here for 3 days and am enjoying myself tremendously. So far, did the Help thing, went to 2 thermas, and found a friend in the elevator.
Help had very fine looking ladies, but the asking price was very high (300-400 Reales). As it was my first night after a very long day in the air, I just took one because it was easy. She was a pure 10 to my eyes, and I immediately discovered the true beauty of Brazilian women. From the first minute to the last, they are all over you, trying 110% to please. Never seen anything like it. Two hours of this cost about $110US, steep by any standards, but just what the doctor ordered for this weary traveler. Will not go back because of the price, however.
Went to Monte Carlo Therma. Now for those of you who don´t know what happens in thermas, lets just say that it is the closest thing to heaven that there is on earth for men. You go to a locker room, 2 sweet young ladies change you out of your clothes and into a white robe and slippers, storing your clothes in a safe and secure locker. You may then take a steam, sauna, or shower, and when ready, you go upstairs to the bar/social get together room. All the guys are in their robes, and the girls are in scantily clad g-strings or other apparel. You look around quick, because someone will try to capture you, but a gentle comment that you want to look around first will get the results of a little space to make your own choice(s). The girls are from 18-25, range from white skinned natural blondes to jet black, with everything in between. They love to love you. Kissing you and rubbing your parts through the robe. When you find your enamorada, buy her a drink (cheap). She will love you for it. Other girls will come up trying to get you to go double, so let them sit down too, kiss them both, stick fingers up places, and then after a while tell the newcomer to leave (unless you want her too). Repeat this as many times as you can stand, with all the attractive girls there. Then take your honey up for a 40 minute Brazilian style romp (anything you want...they MUST please). Afterwards, back to the sauna, steam, showers, etc. All for 250-300 reales. Did two very nice blond cousins at Monte Carlo for 325 Reales. Thermas...the way to be the star of your own porno movie.
More on other methods in Rio in a later post.....
Steven
Response to Steven.
Please do not pay that much for a girl from Help. You don't need to. Remember inflation and be strong. The first woman I took from Help a few days ago was pretty much the hottest woman there. She asked for 400 at first. I just waited her out. When she was rejected by another man at that price I moved in and got her down to 250 with a promise of seeing her again (which I do not plan on doing) and with a promise of being very loving (which I was not). That is the most I paid and would not pay any more. I met a man from Rio here and we have been hanging out some. At Help, he got 1 woman for free and another for 65 Reals. I cannot wait until my Portuguese improves. With only Spanish and smiles, I have paid from 90 - 250.
Exec Talent
06-30-04, 23:02
Will,
I hope I am not the only one who finds your comments extremely offensive. Treating women badly and being cheap is not cool. It is anything but.
Termas Time
07-01-04, 04:16
Wow Steven, 400 reales is alot. I was there in Sept of last year. I mostly mongered at the termas and never brought any girls to the hotel from Help. The two girls that I did bring to my room cost around 150 reales for 2 hrs.. I met some other girls that I could have gotten quickies (1 hr) for 100 reales. Have fun but don't over pay.
Termas Time
Fartknocker
07-01-04, 04:53
I hate to hear about guys paying this much in Brazil for pussy. Look, a MONTH's wages for a minimum wage worker is now, thanks to a recent act of congress, R$ 260 (about US$84). Compare that to a month's minimum wage here in the US -- about US$890. Would you ever pay $890 for a piece of ass in the US?
Hell, there are a LOT of non-pro chicks in Brazil who will fuck you for the price of a nice dinner with drinks.
So don't waste your cash. EVERYTHING in Brazil is negotiable, and nobody down there respects a guy who takes the first price quoted. ALWAYS make a counter-offer, particularly with Help girls who want a ridiculous R$400 for a short time.
Guys,
Paying more then 250 reais for a girl in help is destroying the market. I myself have gotten it for free in the Help but I have never paid more then 250 for a garota. Off course they ask for more, they always do. Its just got good business but no need to pay more. I once got a girl down to 100 reais. I had done before and for the second time I just told her that I was leaving the next day and had little money left. Besides, if you're really willing to pay that money then you are better of going to Barbarella. Anyway, no need to pay that kind of money in the Help!
Mata Gringos
07-01-04, 10:45
Dear Fartnocker and others,
I completely agree on your critics of overpaying. Personally I prefer to make the girls feel like princesses (dinners, presents etc) but with out paying directly.
My question to all your brazil-experts are how well this approach functions in places like Help. Where are the best places in Rio for us that prefer this type of mongering?
Fartknocker
07-01-04, 20:17
Exec Talent,
I hope you ARE the only one here "extremely offended" by Will's comments, but the unfortunate truth is that you probably are not. There are many guys out there just like you who are happy to project their own 1st-world viewpoint onto another culture. A culture, in this case, that really doesn't give a shit about your sense of fair play.
"Being cheap" is "not cool," huh? Boy I bet the girls at Help get all wet around the pocket book when they see guys like you coming. Believe me, they aren't thinking "Oh, what a nice guy to help me out in my desperate situation." They are thinking, "Jackpot! I just found the sucker who is going to pay for my new cell phone so I can show up that cow Andrea."
Let me proclaim this once and for all: no woman has to sell her body to get by in Brazil. I know many single Brazilian mothers who work their asses off to make ends meet, but would never even consider turning a trick. Do you know what these prostitutes you champion are doing with all the money they make hooking? They aren't saving up for an education for their kid or a business investment to get themselves "out of the Life." Mostly whatever their drug-using Brazilian boyfriend doesn't steal they use to buy bullshit status upgrades like clothes, shoes, cell phones, cars etc. Coming from the US or Europe you can not possibly understand the importance of status in Brazilian culture. Status is why these girls are selling their asses at Help every night -- not harsh necessity.
These prostitutes, for the most part, are not wayward young ladies of society who would otherwise be working on their PhD's if not employed in the sex industry. They are the Brazilian equivalent of 5th generation redneck trailer trash. Yep, read that again. You are fucking the South American version of a welfare-taking West Virginia hilljack. Ask yourself this: if a poor, uneducated American redneck wins the lottery, how long do you think he'll actually be rich? The answer, as everyone knows, is that he'll be rich for just as long as it takes him to blow the cash on stupid bullshit, and then he'll be poor again. These girls are no different.
So overpay if it makes you feel better. If you get a charge out of throwing around money Japanese-stye, more power to you. I would never get between a man and what gets him off. But don't think you are in any way occupying the moral high ground. You aren't helping these girls in any way. Every Real you give a Brazilian prostitute is just one more ticket to the party, and when the party is over she'll have nothing to show for it but the scars.
Exec Talent,
Not meaning to flame you (even though you flamed Will), but I have to agree with fartknocker. I am married to a Brazilian girl and know this culture intimately. These girls who work the clubs are there not to feed themselves - they can do that working at a supermarket- but they do it to move up the status level by buying material crap. They usually have typical bullshit women's goals for their earnings (the cellphone, fancy clothes). Brazil is full of good honest women (as much as there is a good honest woman :) ) who wouldn't be caught dead in a terma. If you don't believe me, next time you overpay one of those wenches in Help, ask them what they are saving their money for.
Last time I was in Termas 65 I asked one of the girls I had a session with what she was saving for. She replied that she wanted to buy herself a house. I then asked her how much more she needed. Her reply was that she hasn't saved any yet because she likes expensive clothes and she kept blowing her money on that. I think a good majority of the girls are that way.
The economic situation in Brazil is such that it's just a different world than NYC, London, or LA. Unless she's a hottie dancer from Domingao do Faustao or a top model, 400 reais is too much plain and simple. Look up the price on ScortShow's website. Promocao is 100 reais for 2hrs. Roughly 33 bucks for all the puntang you want during the time she's with you. That's the reality of the price for snatch in Brazil (or most of Latin America for that matter). Coming down here throwing money around "because you feel sorry for them" insults Brazilians and screws it for the rest of us trying to enjoy the culture here. If you want to help desperately poor people, check out WSG charities, not freelancing brazilian *****s.
Nuff said, lets get back to talking about T and A!
I completely agree with Fartknocker and Shtupp. Altough it did take some time to find this out for myself. I had a girl from Help 2 weeks for free. I guess we were in love a little. Then she came to where I live, holland, and it was just an incredible ***** who saw me as a long term investment
I used to be a gentlemen, taking all this crap stories seriously about how they needed the money to send to their children in some other city. Until I met Gui, the driver of Bobby from Blame It on Rio. He laughed his ass off about my gullible attitude.Now I know. And when i will be back, i will approach the girls slightly different, not making any promises beyond the hour that I will fuck them
Overpaying,
Just posted on this on other thread. Geez, really why give the guy so much grief. So what he poorly negotiated. Of course market pricing should be the goal. But really, just means she scored that night. What is so wrong with that. the numbers just aren't there to say that "market pricing" is being moved by these one off cases. At least in SP, the market is Brazilians, Euros, Asians, and Americans. The ocasional overpayment by the any one of those (and probably they all have cases of dudes overpaying) isn't driving prices upward. some dudes just don't negotiate well. Ever heard of a bell shaped distribution curve? Underpricing, market pricing, and overpricing all occur. Personally, I don't think underpricing is cool either. Easy answer, read the posts, get a sense of market pricing (always good to know what the escorts, massage prices are) and shoot for that. But really, do we have to tear some poor dude to shreads for missing the mark.
And so what that these girls aren't saving for a college education. Brazil as I just noted on the other thread spends tons of time on status/the money extreme so why should these girls be immune to the constant message. And lets be realistic. given the option of being a nanny, maid, clerk at a supermarket, some girls are going to go for the sex option. faster, more money (tons more relative to the supermarket option, shtupp you should know that for sure). and yeah, lots of local guys will try to ride coat-tails. Doesn't mean it is battle to get the best price or that they are "trash" for going that route.
Survival capitalism here in Brazil. Actually agree with Shtupp and Fartknocker on much of what they said, but just don't think getting so worked up over the fact that some dudes mess up and over pay or that I have to think the girl is "trash" for being as fartknocker noted the "Brazilian equivalent of 5th generation redneck trailer trash". pretty funny! They made their choices and I'm happy to pay a market rate for that choice.
I'm not under any 1st world spells. Just prefer to fuck the girl knowing that I fairly compensated her (based on local market pricing) and that I'm enjoying fucking the heck out of her. I'm not planning to marry her, take her on as a girlfriend, so don't really give a shit as to what she does with the money. But I'm not going into this in battle mode just because I know miss trailer trash is after my money. Like I noted on the other post, I make every effort not to overpay (and I don't underpay) and I hate it when she asks for more after the session is overy (and always say no). But really, treating the negotiation as a battle for me would just take some of the fun out of it. I just enjoy finding a hot girl or two, ensuring that I don't "overpay" and throughly enjoying fucking them. Can't we just leave it at that.
Fartknocker
07-02-04, 16:05
Rastaman
It's a TV show in Brazil. Faustao is the big fat guy who hosts the show. The rumor is that virtually all the hot-assed dancers on the show are available if you have the cash -- although I'd heard a number that was a lot higher than R$ 400. If you aren't a very connected Brazilian VIP you aren't likely to ever get a shot. It would be the Brazilian equivalent of getting to fuck a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.
exec,
i just got back to the u.s. and read your flame of me.
where did it say i mistreated any of these ladies?
i am cheap. i am proud of that. do you not barter in the markets either? have you no understanding of brazilian and other latin cultures?
i get a lot of respect from the women for bartering and playing the game. it is fun for them too. it is not a 7-11 where you put down your cash and walk away with your slurpee. it is part of the game.
the most disgusting thing i saw my entire trip in rio and buenos aires was americans without a clue. i understand enough portuguese to hear the women and portuguese men laughing at them. i told people i was canadian much of the time.
as for what these women use the money for, here are my observations. two days into my trip i met a fairly well to do university student. i hung out with him and a friend of his visiting from the u.s.. i did non-mongering hanging out with brazilian women and men, went to a concert (punk spoken word great stuff), hung out with him in leblon at his place and his restaurants. we went to help on my final night, just to expose his u.s. friend to help and to break his mongering cherry. during all this time, he twice pointed out women at parties or events that he knew from college that sold themselves. plus, he then saw a woman at help he did go to school with. he told me about how he once saw a woman in centaurus and recognized her. he got her outside it for free. none of the women he pointed out needed the money. he was clear in that. they use the money to buy cell minutes, clothes, and for status objects. i also heard this from a brazilian woman here in the u.s. i regularly see at parties with my friends. that night i got my woman for 90 reals because it was all i had and because her friend was leaving with my brasilian friend. he didn't pay anything. he is just a rich boy from leblon. he didn't pay the woman, but it helped her status and class amongst the others.
Here is one to stay away from. She cut a deal for 175R for 3 hour of everything, pictures, anal, etc. When she got to the room she would stop me from going more than 2 inches in her and with no anal. I gave her chances. $100R to finish the fuck normal without anal. $50R to just finish with BBBJ and cumshot.
She went ape shit and said she would call the cops. I said please do and called her bluff. It got ugly with her trying to grab my shit and run. I had to pick her up and put her in the hall. Then I cut a deal with her. $25 to jack off on her and she would get her clothes back. It was too late to go back to get another woman at this point so that was our deal.
She speaks spanish and portuguese. She couldn't claim misunderstanding because I speak spanish and my friend is native to Rio.
She has a tattoo in asian writing that she claims says Happy!
Fartknocker
07-02-04, 21:02
Photo,
The rant I went off on was not aimed at Steven, the guy who originally sparked this conversation. Read the last paragraph of my comment. I really don't care if other guys overpay whether they do it from guilt, laziness, or just ignorance.
Some guys get wound up that other guys are "ruining the market," but I just laugh at that idea -- supply and demand, ya know. The supply of willing pussy in Brazil is nearly infinite and the money chasing that pussy is finite.
What pissed me off is Exec's bullshit about being offended that anyone would think to use hardball negotiating tactics with these girls. My feeling is that business is business, and when you go into the business of selling your ass you learn to live with negotiating. Guys like Exec that get up on their high horse about it need a reality check.
Will Fore,
Sorry you got hassled. Thanks for the heads up. What finally happened? How much did she finally get out of you and for how much time? What name did she use? Also always check her ID for her real name. Since these chicks can change their names like their underwear :0)
In cases like this sh*t I would have been helpful if you stayed in a hotel and the staff can help you out (.. .maybe . . .?) You were very lucky with your bluffing her. Some crooked cops could have done a number on you. Hope you have better experiences the next night.
Almotu
Fartknocker,
Understood! I agree with the view as well. I mean pitty the sucker who always over-pays just to feel better. Silly move, but I also get sick of the story, where the rich guy fucks the girl for a dime with her thinking she will get a dollar and celebrates it. I guess I think that attitude just as much turns a chick hard as anything else. To be fair, it is the just the opposite side of the coin of the silly dude over-paying. She didn't value her pussy too well. and just as much as I noted hate it when the girl trys to reopen the negotiation or fails to provide services as advertised.
As you say it is a negotiation. just prefer the outcome where both parties are happy and I think when you end up paying roughly market pricing both should be happy (or in the case of Will Fore's brazilian buddy, he had noncash value to provide or the chick has just decided that a below market price is fine b/c she wants to wedge the dude, aka Will Fore's accomplishment)
My motto is negotiate well/fairly (or at least try to), treat the girl well, and bust your nut. I just want hot, young, nice brazilian girls to fuck. I'm not looking for girl-friends or wifes. just a wedge machine. and no way I'm out to save them even though my soft side does hope they get their "trailer trash home" at the end of this ride.
Also, lastly would absolutely second Will Fore's comments that some of the girls do this for extra free cash flow. Really people don't understand how much the non-pro and pro markets interact here in Brazil. Lots of girls are exposed to it at the club scenes and it definitely affects the non-pro market. A brazilian buddy of mine said brazilian girls in the 20s think like guys, very transaction oriented. Definitely anybody who spends a lot of time down here in Brazil should try and spend a little bit of time understanding the culture and the different facets of the pro and non-pro garota markets. For me, definitely has been an interesting learning experience with some great experiences and some definite fuck-ups (the fact that in SP, Romanza too me to town).
Also, boy, as noted by Fartknocker, I would love to nail one of the Faustao girls and if anyone gets a source on that. let me know! Although, not for some outrageous price. but would be a nice story!
Cheers,
Photo55
almotu,
i ended up paying $25 reals to toss off on her face. that is what we ended up with. at one point early on, i was willing to just knock $50r off the agreed upon price in help and finish, but she started trying to play the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) game and i said hell no! after that it was the principle of the thing for me.
i get kind of hard about the bribery deal. i have travelled a lot in worse places than rio (in terms of cops hassling), like guatemala. in guatemala they used to take your passport and take you to a private jail where if you didn't pay, they killed you and raped you, not in that order. i fought those dudes many times, so i could have handled a rio cop.
i would have paid him off to arrest her. it would have cost me more, but it would have been the principle of the thing. i don't like the hotel deal. i think i can handle myself because i have travelled rough a lot. but i agree that many people would benefit from a hotel and staff. i saw a lot of gringos and brits down there that could really get in trouble if things went awry. as for her real name, i didn't care. i figured a picture was enough to warn you guys.
if anyone has a 2 inch dick though, i think the sex will work with her. she lets you in that far.
Fartknocker
07-05-04, 18:00
No doubt the pro and non-pro market overlap. I found that out the first trip I ever made to Brazil. It was during Carnival, and me, my American roomate, and our Brazilian buddy had a table at Teatro Scala in Rio during one of the samba balls. We hooked up with four chicks at the next table and spent the night dancing and drinking and had a hell of a time. After that we all went out and had "dinner" at about 5 am.
When we made it to the motel in the morning, two of the girls decided they wanted a little something extra. I was a little annoyed because they didn't say a word about this the whole night while they were using our table, drinking our booze, and eating our food. They just figured that we had plenty of money and they should get some.
The money didn't really amount to anything. I think we paid them US$20 each (about R$70 at the time). Only one chick (the one who was with me) was a looker, and the amount we paid was pretty low, so I don't think they were professionals. I think they were just a bunch of Rio girls who hooked up with some Americans and figured they should walk away with some cash.
Rabo Verde
07-05-04, 19:34
OK, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If I spend $50 and get laid she must be a pro.
If I spend $20 and get laid she must be a non-pro.
If I spend $500 and get a kiss on the cheek, she must be American!!!!
Wanderer1000
07-05-04, 22:52
I had my first session with a terma girl outside of the terma. We didn´t discuss money at all, so it was interesting to see how it would go. We spent a couple hours together, and while she was in the bathroom, I put four R50´s and two R10´s on top of her purse (taxi fare).
When she came back from the bathroom she started talking about the 24th anniversary at Luomos that night. If she missed it she would owe the management R200 the next day (the anniversary is true - free buffet, etc.) - but any other day would cost her R100 for missing. I never heard this one, but since it was about 40 minutes to four o´clock, I figured this was her way to bring up money. I pointed to the money on top of her purse, and she stuffed it in her purse without looking or counting. I think I was on the upper price side with her, since she is one of my favorites and we have a good rapport.
Has anyone heard this pay the management the next day for missing stuff? I think it´s BS. An American guy and I had talked about it about a week ago. He seemed to think they had a pretty flexible arrangement. He was doing three girls a night and was there most of the time during operating hours. He said he´d see girls for awhile, and then he didn´t see them for the rest of the night. One girl around two hours before closing turned him down saying she had to go home.
Just curious - any insights?
Jak, what she told you is not bull, I have heard over and over again the same story that they get fined if they don't show up. Management at these termas know that these girls can book on the side and not show up and possibly make more money and if all his girls did that one night then he would have no modelos for hire, she wasn't bullshitting you.
Chuponalgas said:
"OK, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If I spend $50 and get laid she must be a pro.
If I spend $20 and get laid she must be a non-pro.
If I spend $500 and get a kiss on the cheek, she must be American!!!!"
Ok, then if I have to give her half of all my money and get a kick in the ass, she must be my wife.
Hello Everyone,
I have have stated I have dated mostly Brazilian girls my entire life, although im a young handsome American, half English, half Italian, I learned early on how shitty American women are. Good looking yes, spoiled yes, appreciate you no, cook, clean, no. I think the point about pricing is very interesting. I have known Brazilian girls who work and save all year just to buy a carnival costume, or some expensive shoes. I mean lets do the math gentleman. If im a sexy young 21 year old working girl, I dont mind BBBJ, Anal, and i do whatever, I should make a fairly decent living. If you read the news an average Brazilan working man or woman makes about 200-300R. My point is a working girl there could pick and choose who she sleeps with and can probally make close to 400R a night maybe 4-5 days per week. So 2000R per week is a nice chunk of change over there. I mean these girls are making a months salary in one night.
I guess my point is pay them well, decide on a price before hand and if she makes you feel amazing, special or you have a great time, tip her like you would a waiter or any service industry person.
Another thing I have noticed from a few ex working girls I know is alot of men are starting to just lay there and expect this girl to do all of the work and not living up their end of the bargain, im not knocking sitting back getting a BJ, or getting laid, but remember this is a sexy young woman and try to get them off, a finger or some stamina go along way. Please dont Eat at the Y, I might have just finshed in there 1 hour ago and here you are eating her out :) . Its more of a safety issue, HPV, Herpes, that stuff dont go away.
AS I said im more of a GFE fantasy guy, i try to pick up non working girls first then an occional working girl, and if she is so hot and we get along good, I will try to hang out with her for a week or a few days, buy her nice things, take her out, have fun, its all part of the fantasy. There is something to be said for sex after you take her to Barrah Shoope buy her a nice dress, shoes and take her to that fancy restaurant she has never eaten at.
Bob has a great point about Marriage, and American Girls.
Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
Jackson
Fartknocker
07-06-04, 01:15
One thing I forgot to mention about the "semi-pros" at Scala was the American roomate I was with. The guy is a whale -- he weighs around 300 lbs. The chick I was with really wasn't concerned about cash, but his chick definitely wanted some compensation. My buddy told me later that she was also less-than-enthusiastic during the act. The chick I was with was into it during the sex, and afterwards she gave her $20 to the other two girls to split.
So anyway I think my buddy's appearance and our lack of Portuguese skills (my Brazilian pal did all the translating) had a lot to do with the fact that we had to pay. In the identical situation, if my Brazilian pal and I were out by ourselves, and I had the basic command of Portuguese that I do now, I doubt we would have paid a dime.
The moral of the story is to chose your mongering buddies wisely. Leave the charity cases at home.
Jak and Rio Bob,
Rio Bob is right; girls working at the termas have to pay a R$100 fine for every night they miss. My current girlfriend used to be a GDP who worked at Luomo, Monte Carlo, and Rio Antigo, and she told me this first hand a long time ago. GDPs are not prohibited from making outside engagements, but the fine is the price they pay. So, this has to be factored in when making negotiations with a girl from the termas to meet you outside, i.e., the fine as well as the lost income from working inside. I can assure you that nearly all GDPs working in the termas would prefer private dates to staying inside if they can at least break even. You can probably work out the best deal with a termas girl by meeting her in the day; that way, whatever you pay her will be a bonus to her termas income. Best time is early afternoon, say 1:00pm, because they usually sleep till late morning. That way you can get her to stay with you for 2-3 hours, and then she can go straight to work.
Termas management doesn't tend to be the most enlightened of employers, to put it mildly. According to my girlfriend they strongly encourage, but don't require, the girls to take birth control bills every day of the month, so they will never have their period, which of course is bad for business. My girlfriend always refused and just stayed home when she was having her period (and got fined), but she said most of the girls would agree. I shudder to think what effect this would have on their reproductive systems. So all these things need to be taken into consideration when negotiating with termas girls, and it helps explain why the turnover is so high at these places.
Lorenzo
Jak, what the girl told you is true. I've heard it from a lot of terma girls, who turned down outside dates where they could have earned a lot more money. Apparently terma management is very strict about this.
JoshJosh69
07-06-04, 19:38
I am curious, and would like to justify my own behavior. Who here does perform oral sex on the garottas? I am wondering what the percentage is. I do, and will continue to, but who else does?
Josh, count me in.
Despite popular belief on the STD scare, most of them will have MULTIPLE orgasms, turning "completinhas" as a gratitude, inviting other babes to join in extended sex sessions and becoming "girlfriends" while touring Brasil. Of course as a gentleman, I would treat them with all the respect that such ladies deserve. This is where money is exchanged to keep them away, since the ultimate objective of a real monger is to have real sex with as many nice and beautiful available babes. Man, I have a very peculiar and discerning "taste". So far my body is at an optimum performance level with a clean bill of health, Doctor tested and approved! Like good wine, as I grow older the ladies keep getting younger as allowed by law!
In fairness to all gents, use both common sense in choosing sexual partners and all the available tools including condoms, necessary to have an enjoyable and memorable sex session.
It takes years of experience and some money to harvest the best of the bunch! Yet quite a happy bunch.
Regarding fines for the girls when they do not show up:
I had a similar experience at the Holiday Boite. There was an incredibly hot dancer who drank shots with me. I had to have her for the night and negotiated a very reasonable fee with her, around $50. However, before I was able to take her out of the bar, the management made me pay them $100 to be able to take her out of there for the rest of the night.
She was well worth it, though. We f...ed all night, like rabbits. The next morning she wanted to go to the beach with me and asked me if she could stay with me for a few days. Sure thing!!! During those subsequent days we had a lot of sex, and no money chaged hands. I just paid for our lunches and drinks. But she was mine only during the daytime. In the evening she had to go back to the bar and dance, coming back to my hotel room late at night to sleep. I had to upgrade to a double room, by the way. :-)
You gotta love Rio,
Euro
Fartknocker
07-07-04, 07:39
Yeah, Josh, I eat the working girls. Sometimes I eat their butts, too. (Ewwwww! What kind of FREAK would eat the ass out of a puta!) If it's reasonably clean, I stick my tounge in it. Gotta have it, or it just isn't sex in my book. In addition to this unsafe-sex practice, I often don't wrap it up with the non-pros. (Gasp! Shudder!) I have yet to ever catch an STD, so go figure.
Speaking of oral sex, a Brazilian buddy of mine and I were sitting around taking about how lousy most Brazilian girls are at giving head. I'm taking about average chicks -- not pros. I've never gotten a decent blow job out of any Brazilian girl who wasn't either a current or former working girl. My buddy, who has had more Brazilian ass than any two guys I know, agreed completely.
Most of the non-pro Brasileiras I've had give me head just have lousy technique. They go too slow, don't use enough pressure, don't go deep enough, etc. If that wasn't bad enough, most of them won't give head for long enough to be really enjoyable. Usually they are all ready to jump in and start fucking after a couple minutes of head. I'm all for that kind of enthusiasm, but I whish they would learn to take their time.
The flip side to this is that most Brazilian girls just come unhinged when I go down on them. I don't know how many times I've thought, "Holy shit, has this chick never had a guy really eat her pussy before? She's about to pass out!" I'm starting to suspect that Brazilian guys are just as bad at giving head as the chicks are.
Of course that's just my opinion . . . I could be wrong. ;-)
Fartknocker,
If you want the best head ever, and I mean it, go to Luomnos. I have had sex with around 300 women in the U.S. and abroad and had the best oral of my life there from some tall brunette white girl. A german dude told me while we were sitting there that she was the best, and he was right. I damn near died.
Latina Addict
07-07-04, 15:15
Hey Josh,
As far as eating buzeta brazilera, I use the following rule myself.
1. She must turn heads of even women on the street and have the tight ass of an 18 YO.
2. There must be minimal hair around the lips so a thorough inspection can be made for hidden shankers, HPV and wayward toilet paper.
3. Before the check for paper, sneak a finger smell test. This is best accomplished the the non Dickhead way (remember Dickhead, you are my heroe!) of finger fucking then sucking on the tits, and while grabbing the said tit, smelling said finger as said tit is carressed and squeezed.
4. Forget the above techniques if she offers BBFS or BB anal, or has been in the business more than 6 months or is over the age of 20.
5. If all the above has been accomplished to your personal level of satisfaction and comfort, and she has not been with Jackson, who probably ripped her pussy wide open, then proceed to the shower, thoroughly rinse, dry, and proceed to make your tongue sore.
It is my personal experience, that these girls are very aware of the fact that twat is their goldmine and will treat it as such. If you are in a Terma, not only the Garota will care for the said twat, but the owner will care for and confirm clean monthly for you.
Also, just arrived today from Rio, and the streetwalkers on Atlantica were very hot looking, but my steady Carioca prevented me from sampling the above techniques.
If any of you jeleous B------- saw me, she was the only Brazilera who was 35CC-25-34, 112 lbs, 5'4" and smoking hot! Almost enough to make me forget the Garotas de programa. Almost.
Latina Addict
Rabo Verde
07-08-04, 00:18
Licking Pro Pussy?????
You could save a lot of money and swallow the same microbes!
Just go lick the urinal clean in the Termas!
Will,
Do you remember the name of the white Luomo garota who gave you great head?
Almotu
Licking pussy is an interesting topic (for the record, I do ... tastes a lot better than urinal, I might add).
Barganing with the workers is another interesting topic (for the record, I do ... that's a lot of the fun in mongering in Rio)
But can I try to get a new threat going (?): Best places to pick up a pro and take her back to your hotel.
Here are my top 5:
5. Boite Holiday: Lots of really good looking girls there. But the place is very expensive, and you need to pay a fee to the house, if you want to take a girl back to your hotel.
4. Sidewalk cafes along the Copacabana: The pros will look you deep in the eyes, and you will know right away if they are interested. Motion for her to sit down with you, buy her a drink, and the nogotiations can begin.
3. Ipanema Girl bar in Ipanema: This place is frequented by amateurs and pros alike. And I have always found that there is no strict line between the two groups. If you pretend you do not notice that the girl is a pro, and if you treat her nicely, you may get it without paying for it. (You have to pay for the drinks, though.)
2. Dicotecas Help and Plataforma Uno ( a tie): OK, Help is on everybody's list. They claim to be the biggest disco in the world, or something like this. There are going to be a hundred girls to pick from. All skin tones, all hair colors. Plataforma Uno is located right next to one of these big Samba Show places for the tourists. And some of the amazing mulatta dancers come to the discoteca after the show to have a little fun and perhaps pick up extra cash in the process. Also, lots of true amateurs come there, and I have picked up a couple of choice ones there.
1. But my best place is , drumroll please: Scotch Bar. It is located in the Lido district, on Av. Princesa Isabel, not very far away form the tunnel to Rio Sul shopping center. Entrance fee is about $15, depending on exchange rate. This gets you two drinks, a bowl of nuts, and a good table. Take the Caipirinha Vodka and drink slow. If you get there around 10 pm, you think that you are in a regular discotheca. But later a strip show will start where only minutes before was a regular dance floor. Then more dancing, then another strip show. A couple of times, I even saw a boy-girl show, with penetration. I had tables next to the dance floor, and they were doing it only 15 feet away from me. I have taken numerous pros back to my hotel form there. As I said, I always bargain. It's part of the fun. One evening I took one of the stunning strippers home. This was really fun, because we had already agreed that she would go with me, but had to do one more show. She took her clothes off and tossed them all to me. It seemed that she put on the show just for me. Great foreplay. And I was cooly standing there, have all the wonkers admire me for the attention she showered on me. Sex with her was fantastic as well. No wonder that Scotch Bar has a special place in my rankings.
I cannot claim that I know every place in Rio. So who wants to chime in and give us their favorite hunts?
Euro
Hey Josh,
I've never done it but I know a few guys that do. As a matter of fact one stopped doing it bc, he came down with an infection. I think Chupo has a good point.
Fartknocker
07-08-04, 05:39
very cute chuponalgas. the problem with your theory is that [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) from a healthy human being is virtually sterile. the truth is that you will pick up more nasty microbes kissing a girl on the mouth than would running your tounge around the inside of a urinal. hard to believe, but true.
the threat of std's for heterosexual men is greatly exagerated, imho. hiv/aids is the one everyone is really terrified about. however, by the cdc's own figures, out of 859,000 cases of aids reported in the us from the early '80s to december 2002, only 36,692 were men who caught it through heterosexual contact -- that's a little over 4% of the total. why? because despite what the scaremongers want you to believe, hiv just isn't spread easily from female to male. end of story.
herpes? hpv? yeah, you can get them, and you can't get rid of them, but they are more a pain-in-the-ass than anything else. with valtrex and other anti-herpes meds, you will hardly ever experience a breakout. the rest of the common std's out there can be cured with a round of antibiotics.
so why go through life living in fear of these damn microbes? your chances of getting hiv is very small, and the rest can be dealt with relatively easily. i'm not the kind of guy who is going to walk through the flower garden of life wearing a gas mask. there are risks in everything one does, and i for one would rather take a risk now and then than spend the best moments of my life worrying about shit that isn't really that dangerous.
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Fartnocker,
You definetly are a risk taker and your knowledge and understanding of the dangers out there is rather weak.
Go to GOOGLE, type in the names (one at a time) of various STDs, and search Google Images (not the web). If those images do not bother you, then you are a lost case.
Also, you may want to do some more reading from the CDC and other sources about STDs.
People like you keep passing around stuff from girl to girl. Stuff you do not even realize you carry from time to time.
That is why the percentage of professionals with one microbe or another is so high.
The Watcher
07-08-04, 23:38
I just heard that you can no longer declare a phone in customs in Rio and receive a telephone number in Rio.
Can anyone verify this and, if it is true, can anyone tell me how to get around this problem?
I plan to arrive in Rio on July 15 so I would appreciate a prompt response.
Thanks.
Wanderer1000
07-09-04, 00:30
Just got back from the Aeroporto Terma - first time there. I arrived a little before 4:00, and when I went in the backroom, there was a girl waiting for me to open my locker, offer me a hangar and show me around. The moment I saw this I remembered someone else writing about it and having mixed feelings. He got the impression she was latching on to him, and so I wasn´t sure what to make of it - just a hospitable way to welcome you to the club?
There were definitely more females than males when I arrived and left. Since I´m getting over a cold and still kind of tired and coughing, I chose their regular massage (R40 for 40 minutes) -twice. She gives a great massage, and if I wasn´t feeling so bad I wouldn´t have bothered. It´s aggravating to have to accept downtime in this city, especially when you drag your butt to a terma determined to get it on, but your body is just saying "sorry to disappoint you, man". I´ll hopefully make a trip there in a few days to try a few I liked. One interesting thing of note - when I was paying up front (different girl than when I came in), the girl put two hard candies with my change. I never heard of a terma giving out candies at the end of your session - then I looked at her and she had this sweet look on her face as she looked at me. Unless this is normal procedure, the lady giving me the massage had to have mentioned I had a bad cold. Certainly a plus for this place if this is true.
I hadn´t been to Aeroporto or Termas 65 before today. I haven´t had anything but good experiences with the taxi drivers, but then there´s always that first. I grabbed a taxi on Ave. Atlantica and gave the name and address to Aeroporto. He was an Asian guy and seemed to know good English. He said 65 is the best (there were four names and addresses on my sheet).
He said Aeroporto was too crowded with guys since it was near the airport. (What? I´m expecting 65 to be as crowded as 4by4 in the evening) He then shows me a laminated price list for destinations (What? Centro is 30R). I look up and the meter isn´t turned on. I ask if he gets money for taking me to 65 - he hems and haws a moment - "yes, but not much". At the next light I open the door and get out. I could have easily decided I was going to check out 65 before I got in the taxi today, but this guy was a total rap from the start - I´m glad I got out. Next taxi - no complications - amazing.
As vezes Eu gosta comer un poco brazaliera buceta and the worst thing I got was a sore throat. As a matter of fact I get sore throats a lot in Rio, not sure if its from the polutted waters or the buceta. Once my throat was so sore I left Rio 2 days early and the customs people were very concerned as to why I was leaving early, I have buceta throat.
fartknocker,
your prose lacks the florid touches of, say, keates. yet i vote along with you to kiss the girl if she smells delicate, and damn the tor****es. no war was ever won running away from the action. just wear a helmet. life is too short.
rio bob.
one word, buceta. i know it sound different when garota asks you to rip her undies off and present swords. but i believe that is how it is spelled, unless i have been cruelly tricked all these years of writing horny mails with cariocas, chupando bucetas direitinho.
i was asked by jackson to throw in this minor corrective measure before he turns to the ancient & comprehensive great dictionary of brazilian-portuguese anatomical terms. you want to avoid that, believe me.
the monte carlo terma is fun and amply stocked since 4x4 closed. best deal is the 1hr suite with jacuzzi. it will feel like 10 minutes. would love to have a room like that in my house, with garota harem to draw from. we can only dream our versions of heaven...
Prazer:
In your previous post you stated:
".......since 4x4 closed".......huh?! :O
That 's news to me! Can you explain that statement?
Two topics seem to predominate in the past few reports, eating pussy (and yes, buceta is the correct Portuguese word), and the best place to pick up a garota to take back to your hotel. So let me put in my two cents worth.
Eating pussy: I eat pussy every time I get laid--no exceptions. I've never had a brasileira refuse to let me do it, and the non pros or novice pros really seem to enjoy it. I feel comfortable with it because my assumption is that all the fucking they do is with a condom. If I know the girl gives BBFS I won't do it. I do it for two reasons: I enjoy it, and it gets me rock hard watching her squirm and writhe while I do it. I'll also lick her asshole too, if I find the girl really attractive, but only in the termas or in my hotel room. First I'll get a washcloth, wet it with warm water, and clean her anal area just in case, since the anal area is a breeding ground for bacteria. Garotas seem to love anilingus, and I get the impression that few Brazilian men do it.
Regarding pickups/return to hotel: you can pick up girls in Rio almost anywhere, so the real question is, where do find the best quality girls. The most obvious places to pick up garotas to bring back to your hotel room are Help!, Mabs, and Meia Pataca. The problem is that a very high percentage of the girls in these places are skanks. I have found the best quality girls at Barbarella, although I must admit I've never been to the Scotch Bar. If you pick up someone at Barbarella or any of the boites, try to avoid the taxis waiting outside. The girls will always insist on taking one, but be firm. These taxis won't turn the meter on, and when you get to where you're going they'll tell quote you a very high fare. Better to walk past them and flag down a comum (yellow and blue taxi) on Princesa Isabel.
However, I have pretty much sworn off pciking up girls and taking them back to my hotel, because I usually stay at upscale hotels (Meridien, Caesar Park, Sheraton), and it's pretty much impossible to get a girl into one of these hotels at night, especially if she looks like a prostitute. I wrong a fairly lengthy post a while back on strategies for getting a girl into a 5-star hotel, but in essence you have to do it in the daytime. I generally limit my fucking to the termas, and then, if I find a girl there with whom I have an especially good rapport or an especially good sexual experience, I'll arrange to see her outside the termas. The termas girls will almost always give you their cell phone numbers, and when they meet you they'll probably tell you their real names. When I call I make an arrangement for her to meet me in my hotel lobby during the day, and I tell her how to dress, which is in essence not to look like a working girl. I then get her to my room by pretending we're going to lunch in the hotel or for a drink at the bar, or actually doing so, then bringing her to my room. I've done it at all three of the aforementioned hotels and I've never had a problem. At the Sheraton it even works at night because of the multi-tiered nature of the bars and restaurants. Just take her for a drink, then slip off to the room. It's better in the daytime though; what better way to spend a sultry afternoon than frolicking with a beautiful garota in your room, then taking a nap, having dinner, then heading back to the termas? Some of your smarter and more personable termas girls make excellent dinner companions as well. The best reataurant in Rio, IMHO, is Antiquarius in Leblon, and there's no greater experience than enjoying an Antiquarius dinner while looking into the eyes of a beautiful brasileira.
Hello to All,
First time post,l ong time lurker. I plan to go to Rio in Sept, I just need top know a few things,3-4 star hotel in the Ipanema area that is girlfreindly, I plan to use only escorts.
Thanks,
Glenn in Alaska
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Fartknocker
07-09-04, 13:32
Figuring out what to call the "naughty bits" in Brazilian has always been a problem for me. What one girlfriend thinks is cool, another considers filthy or silly.
"Buceta" I have heard more as a swear word -- kind of like "caralho" for dick. I have yet to hear a Brazilian chick say "fode minha buceta." They are more likely to say "buceta!" like we would say "oh fuck!"
Anyone have a universally polite word one can use in bed when refering to pussy?
Hey Fartknocker,
Try this. Perareka or Bucetinha. Its more gentle. Or Pombinha, which is a dove. She'll understand.
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That's right Fartknocker, AFAIK "buceta" is considered just about the most vulgar word in the language.
Maybe "perereca" or "xoxota" could work.
Euro100, thanks for the tips on where to meet girls in Rio. A couple of questions, that Ipanema girl bar you mention is that Garota de Ipanema restaurant across the street from Vinicius bar, I have been there but never saw a bar or girls just a restaurant, do I have the right place?
Also Boite Holiday, I had luck there in 1986 with a real nice 21 year old blond but I stopped in there last year for nastaligia reasons and the few girls in there I was like please don't touch me. Has the place gotten better recently? Have things picked up there?
Thanks for the tip on Plataforma, I think Ill have dinner next door one night and wait for the dancers next door like you said, what are the best nights?
Glen 8, check out the Sol Ipanema. They have a website. Right on the beach.
Any Americans or English speaking mongers down there that could help show a fellow monger how to find the hotties down there? Your advice will be compensated. I'm thinking of being there for a week in two weeks.
Thanks,
Snowman
Watcher, you do not have to declare a phone at customs..
Just bring it with you and get connected in Copa. if it's GSM just buy a chip.. you will need your passport and you must give them an address.. but no problem......
The Watcher
07-10-04, 14:29
Kenn
Thanks for your prompt response.
Please clarify one point for me. I was told by people who received phone numbers in Rio that vivo would not give a phone number to a phone bought outside brazil unless it received a form from customs.
Are you saying that vivo no longer has this requirement or that I can get a number from a service other than vivo?
Thanks
Watcher:
Phones are cheap in Brazil. You can buy one with pre-paid service for around $80USD, then just buy minutes. Or you can rent a phone from just about every tourist agency for R15/day, thats about $5USD/day. They'll require a $100R deposit, BTW. Just in case you lose it. Then just buy additional minutes. The minutes can be bought at any newstand, gas station, etc, etc.
Sunset Strip
07-10-04, 20:00
Snowman,
You DO NOT need help finding any hotties in Brazil, especially Rio, and especially in Copacabana. They will find you. Just sit down, order a beer at Mab's, Meia Pitaca Cafe, or go into Help Disco at night.
Look for these places on any map on Rio (Copacabana). All you have to do is ask how to get to these places and nature will take its course.
Also, go to Monte Carlo and Lu'omo.
TJ
I never had a problem using the word buceta with a garota but then I never called her one either. Just like here in the sates if you call a man a pussy, well thats not a good thing and if you call a woman the C version of pussy, ends with a "T" with a "U" and "N" in the middle, well thats not a good thing either. But if you refer to her pussy in a nice way, well thats not a bad thing. But I never used the C word with a woman, maybe buceta is more like our C word. All I know is that I have been trying to put together a little repertoire of Portuguese dirty talk for my biannual excursions and I hope IM not saying the wrong thing even though up to this point what I have been saying seems to have been working.
Well, I've taken the plunge.
I have my airline, and hotel confirmation numbers for my first trip to Rio. All I need now is my visa, which shouldn't be a problem, I'll get it this week.
My trip's scheduled for the week before Labor day (9/6/04), and I'm ready to start packing now.
I've read a lot of great reports while lurking on this board, so thanks for the great information, and keep it coming. Hopefully, I will turn into a contributor, instead of a lurker when I get back.
If anyone here is going to be there at the same time, feel free to PM me. I'd wouldn't mind having a beer with you, and to exchange tips and stories, etc.
And if I don't see you there, it'll be because my eyes (all three of them) will be on the garotas.
Fartknocker
07-11-04, 05:38
so far, i've heard/used the following words for "pussy" with various gfriends:
"xereca" (sp?). one gf used to refer to her's with this.
"perereca" one gf thought this an ugly word -- not flattering.
"periquita" this is also the name of a bird (and a wine) from portugal. one gf used this term, another thought it was a silly word.
"buceta" i have only heard as a swear word, frequenty used as an interjection by one gf. one gf said its a very vulgar word -- basically a lot like "c-nt" in english.
on the subject of male anatomy, i have heard the following out of various gf's:
"caralho" only as a swear word or an interjection, like "buceta".
"pinto" also means "chick" (like a young chicken, not like a girl). one gf used this word almost exclusively to refer to dick, while another thought it a silly word, like a little boy would use. like calling it your "peenie" in english.
"pica" the same gf who didn't like "pinto" like to use this instead. she was fond of saying "pica doce" ("sweet dick") to mean "nice cock."
"pau" also means "wood." i've heard this more in dirty talk between guys than in bed with chicks. the usage seems much the same as "wood" in english.
any other opinions out there on the best words to use for the dirty parts? i used to have a list of dirty words in brazilian portuguese, but it didn't have much in the way of explaination or usage. it would be nice to figure out the intensity and usage of these words for future reference.
Fartknocker:
Lucky me; my brazilian GF has told me while in the throes of passion; :D "fode minha buceta." i thought she was calling it pussy. little did i know :)
got to:
http://www.brazzil.com/blamay98.htm
and check out all the words for penis, prostitute, and vulva.
And to quote from that webpage:
"The late Carlos Lacerda, a journalist and former Governor of Guanabara (Rio de Janeiro) State, noted that "Brazil is the only country in the world where practically every word is a cuss word- even mother." :o
Member #3427
07-11-04, 19:11
Hey Almotu -
Just to add to what you were saying about Solarium in Sundays. Yes, couples do show (not very many), and Yes I have seen and partaken in the activities in the steam room , more so the wet steam room versus the dry steam room. Although, I did see a couple going at it right next to me in the dry steam room.
I have visited Solarium on Sunday on a number of ocassions and seen 1-2 couples there each time. On one Sunday evening a couple arrived and went to the wet steam room. A guy from Rio I had been talking with said to follow him in the wet steam room There wer 5 or 6 guys and the woman laid back wihth her head on the man she arrived there with and we all begam talking. After a bit of informal chat she said something that seemed to get all the giys going. I inquired to my new friend what she said. He replied, she said she wants to fell everyone of us.
Well needless to say, every guy was stroking to see who could get hard quickest, as I slid my finger in her awaiting pussy and began to finger fuck her. As soon as she saw the first guy who was hard and a condom on, she turned around and backed up to him and he began to bang her, while the other guys groped her, and her man just observing. Once the first guy finished she took a shower, which is only a few meters away. She returned and gladly took each and every guy that was hard and had a condom (no condom no sex).
We all left and I saw them retire upstairs in the loung area. You could see in her eyes she wanted more.
I have seen other couples there on Sunday, but did not participate with them becuase I seemed to be busy upstairs while all the real fun was going. I noticed some of the women enjoy grabbing gys in the bar area while her man sits from afar just observing....
The Chacal
Member #3427
07-11-04, 19:18
Euro100
My favorite place to enjoy one or multiple women is a Swingers bar (there are a few in the Rio area). Only couples are allowed on Fri and Sat nights. Pick a young lady of your choice and take her with you for a night you will never forget. And trust me on this, both pross and non-pros are very interested in checking out these places (most I have spoken with have never been to one of these places). I have taken both, pros and non-pros there and never paid anything more than the admission price and drinks :)
The Chacal
Chacal:
I only know of one swinger bar in Rio: 2a2. on Rua Figueiredo Margalhaes. I went to it, and found it too small. Where are the swinger bars you know?
Here´s a method that I came up with. Hang around the cafe in front of Help between 11 and midnight. Check out the girls going in to Help. The same hot girls who ask 200-300 reales in Help will take 100 for an hour if you catch them out in front before they go in. They like it because they can earn their admission fee and money for a drink. I like it because I get first grab at them before they have had anyone else that day....but I must say, nothing beats the termas.
Steven,
Great idea. Wish I had thought of that during my last 10 visits.
S
Here's another trick: This one's worked for me at Help and Love Story (in S.P.). I'm a little fiendish when I go down there -- I don't like sleepovers and I like to stretch 3-4 per day. That's just my thing.
Soooo, if you proposition these girls for a "quickie" (muito rapido) -- like an hour or so (enough time to get a quality nut off) -- you can usually get them down to less than 100R.
Let me give you an example:
I was in Love Story at about 2 a.m. one night (with about 3 other girls) -- the big rush doesn't get there until 3 a.m. -- and offered a girl that I had just seen at Cafe Photo 100R for an hour. She agreed. I told her (which she already knew) that we'd be back in time for her to land another john (I have a favorite quick-time motel around the corner from Love Story). Funny thing is, at Photo she wanted 600R (not a typo) -- and was pretty inflexible about it (though nice). Anway, the early bird gets the worm.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
(P.S. Sorry for all the parens.)
Chacal,
I am sure that I am not the only one who would love to learn more about the swinger bar scene. That's one thing aobut Rio I have not experienced yet. It would be great to get the addresses and names of your favorite ones.
If you can help, then I will give a swinger bar a try on my next trip to Rio. I am sure that most of the girls I have ha din Rio would be open to this experience.
Thanks in advance
Euro
A Rio early bird special, I love it, gonna try it on next trip , thanks guys for the idea.
Latina Addict
07-13-04, 13:40
Was in Rio Sunday night, but due to previous Garota responsibilities, did not go to help with my work companion. It was raining and not much talent outside due to both the inside and outside of the buceta getting too wet.
The report is that it was basically high school night, with all dressed to the 9's, tons of very hard bodies, and VERY young! he said they were carding almost all the girls due to the new, young talent, and the obviously young ages.
Unfortunately, due to many previous, way overpaying mongers, all starting prices were in the 100 plus dollar range. This was almost all he said, for short time. (Listen dudes, Brazillian pussy is better than any drug, but why do we do this to ourselves? Five years ago, these same w------ were 50 dollars all night, and that was before negotiating! Well, I digress.)
He left with an incredible under 20YO for 150 Reals ST. We are guessing that was due to the high ratios of buceta to pinto.
I continue to here good reviews about scortshow.com.br, so lets show our appreciation and patronize this site, but remember to make that special date later, afetr hours for cheaper prices and even better GFE's!
I personally observed many, many very doable SW's all along Atlantica at all ahours of the day, obviously more after 9 PM.
I hear the increased daytime activity is due to wet days, and no available pinto at the beach for these hungry, hot, hard girls.
From my personal experience, if you are paying more than 100 R/ hr or 150 for 2 hrs for a SW or girl off the beach, you are WAY over paying. Remember, if that one special hard ass you see on the street is stuck a 200/hr, say ciao, turn around and be patient for her friend that will not be far behind.
Keep the prices down and tear up those bucetas!
Latina Addict
Wanderer1000
07-13-04, 19:26
Someone reported many days ago that 4by4 was closed. I just called their old number an hour ago and when a lady answered and I didn´t fully understand her, I said "Quatro y Quatro"? She said yes in English. I asked her what time they opened and she said 2:00. I asked about closing time and she repeated 2:00 each time. I´m not sure if their closing time is 2:00 or she didn´t understand much English.
I don´t know where the previous information came from, but from this experience, they are open for business.
So I was in RIO for business and decided to go to Centaurus just because all the posts going back for a long time said that this is the easiest terma to find "model" like girls. So I arrived there at around 6pm and was told that all the girls had to report by 7pm. There was about 40 girls there when I arrived and probably 65 at 7:05pm when I picked a girl.
So overall not impressed with the quality of the girls. Not sure if this is reflective of Rio or just that Centaurus has different girls on different nights and it was just a bad night for me (would like to know the answer to that, different girls on different nights or not?). Just felt that the girls at Cafe Photo were hotter and ditto for Bomboa, Millenium (although less of a differential with regard the last two).
But that being aside, I did find a nice 21 year old fake blond and the service was excellent. She had the following tatoos but I don't remember her name. Just figure I would describe the tatoos and that might help someone recognize her as I would definitely recommend her. She had some small stars on her left breast, the word "sexy" on her lower back, and an angel just above her pussy. She was tall, (5'8 or 5'9), thin, around a size b natural breasts, nice butt, bit of a small belly (though nothing bad). Overall would rate her a 8. So I wanted some anal sex but she said she didn't do it but said she would do everything else. She insisted (about 4 times ) that anal was out of the picture but I eventually asked her whether she ever does anal. After she answered "as vezes" meaning occasionally, I knew I had as she just admitted that she does the deed. So finally got her to agree to anal and of we went. Went for an hour as I wanted more than 40mins.
Didn't find the staff a hassle and in terms of getting stuck with a girl at the entrance, I just told her I didn't need any assitance and she left me alone. I was speaking portuguese so not sure if that helped. Anyway, went to room. she left for about 5 mins and came back wearing some lingerie and looking very good. We got right now to business and she gave a solid BBBJ. nice depth and action. First pop was missionary. All in all, very nice action in bed with this girl. Second round started with some more head (sorry I don't DATY girls at massage parlors so figured no way I would DATY a Terma girl, but spent a lot of time rubbing the clit for her as she kept pulling my hand back down everytime I moved it off to rub her breasts). We then moved to some sex and then the anal sex. Boy, was impressed as she took it all in. Must say that impressed the hell out of me. usually the girls in SP only let me 1/3 to 1/2 of the way in the backdoor. She was fingering herself while I enjoyed the backdoor action. Switched condoms and finished up in missionary. Lastly, very good kisser. Highly recommended.
Also have to say, don't like the whole robe thing and felt that the girls were extremely aggresive. I had to push off about 6 before finding the one I like (partly the reason I picked her because she didn't try to jump me but just occasionaly gave me a nice smile). So guess I just in favor of the boate environment in SP over this first Terma experience. But the sexual experience was solid so can't complain.
Photo55
Panama Free
07-14-04, 02:31
Hello all,
When is the best time of year to visit Rio, and or San Paulo?
If it were your first trip there where would you stay?
If English were your only language would it be hard for you to communicate with most locals?
I much prefer SW action.
Planning.
Thanks much!
"Listen dudes, Brazillian pussy is better than any drug, but why do we do this to ourselves? Five years ago, these same w------ were 50 dollars all night, and that was before negotiating! Well, I digress." Assflation hits every country.
Young & Restless
07-14-04, 04:16
I’ve been back from Rio for a few months now, so I’m a little late on getting this report back, but rather than tell you about how I’ve been so busy and all of that kind of stuff, I’ll just go ahead with my report!
Well, I’m so much of a traditionalist; I had to start things off at Centaros. The girls there are just as excellent as ever and there was an abundance of some showcase talent!! Be sure to take your shower before you go there, because they only have one temperature of water and it’s not hot or warm. Anyway, my intent was to go to the music area where all of the girls are and have a few drinks before I even thought about taking a girl upstairs, but before I could even pour my first drink into the tin cup, I had a girl on each side of me with their hands all over me. This is fun only because it just doesn’t happen all of the time here in the US, but I really did want to set down and relax a little. These girls at Centaros will constantly approach you, if you already are sitting with another girl and say, “you want two girls?” I have a hard time saying no when asked that question, but if you don’t, you’ll end up spending your daily rations a lot sooner than you anticipate. Anyhow, gulped my drink and upstairs we all went. I had been with 2-girls in Centaros before, but this time was much better because I was able to tell them in Portuguese as opposed to “sign language”, exactly what it would take to convince me that 2-girls would be worth the extra R$ 150… and believe me, it was. After a “solid” hour of fun, now it was time to finish that 6-pack. During beer #4, a really hot girl from Bahia with a nice tan, blue eyes and a perfect rack, came up to me at the bar and started a conversation. I thought to myself, “… just let me finish my 6th beer”. She did and away we went. After this I was exhausted, so I go back to the hotel for a breather. After a few hours, I could not stay in the room any longer and thought it might be fun to go look and have a few beers at Help. As soon as I walked into Help, I spotted this fine little thing that I had to bring back with me. For me it was feeling late, but it was still early at Help. I told this girl that I wanted to go ahead and leave, but she insisted on dancing for a few songs. I obliged her, but after a few songs I told her that I had been up all day (hehehe..) and told her that I was going to walk around Help for a little while. She quickly reconsidered and asked if we could drink a Caipirinha before we left. No problem. By this time, the lack of sleep and too much sex was starting to take its toll on me. We agreed on R$ 200, before we left Help and I promise you this girl earned every penny of it and then some. I was really too exhausted to enjoy the moment as much as I could have.
I begin the next day with my usual routine of hanging out at the beach. In the past, hanging out at the beach in Rio was a very bittersweet subject for me, because I would always see some stunningly beautiful women there, but I could not initiate a conversation with them outside of saying “Ola!!”. The hotel that I stayed at offered a beach service that had hotel employees that would set you up with a chair, an umbrella and a little stand for setting your drinks on. These people can usually speak a little English, but I intentionally spoke to them in Portuguese, which they seemed very appreciative of and it was like you become friends almost immediately. While I was on the beach they would make it a point to walk by and ask me if I needed anything or if there were any girls near-by on the beach that I was interested in. Some would even point some out and ask if I wanted him to tell her that I wanted to talk to her. One time I did take one of them up on their offer. I saw this girl before hand and thought… “Damn! She is hot!!” The guy from the hotel asked me if I needed anything right now and I said, “Yeah! A little bit of that!!” and pointed at that girl. Typically, I will look for girls that have that deep bronze skin, not too light and not too dark, but this girl was really dark, but mouthwateringly hot. The guy’s response made me laugh a little, he said “no problem, she’s my friend!” LOL!!! Chuck Woolery on the Copacabana… perfect!!! I talk to this girl for about 10-minutes and she ends up telling me that she is “uma programa”. At first glance, I did not think she was, but after she told me that, I thought to myself, “Good! That means we can get right down to business” and I was ready too!! We went to my room and she wanted to take a shower with me. To me, taking a shower with a really hot girl is one of the hottest things that you can do outside of taking care of business. After we finished showering, we went to my bed and this girl gave me the best BBBJ that I have ever had… EVER!!! I came so close to letting this be a BJ session, but I wanted the whole package. Needless to say, it was worth every penny of R$ 150, and guys… I know this has been brought up time and time again, but I really recommend that you through out the idea of making a programa into a girlfriend. After she finished, I asked her if she was from Rio and she said no, she was from Bahia. I asked her if she was here to work and she said that she was waiting for her boyfriend from the US to arrive Rio next week. She went on to tell me that this guy was coming to Rio to stay and they were planning on moving in together. I asked her if he knew what she was doing while he was not here and she said no and put her finger to her lips like… shhhhh. I thought to myself, “Man… poor bastard”. After this session I went back down to the beach and tipped the guy R$ 10, he seemed happy and asked if I had a good time…. “com certeza, amigo!”.
On my way back to my hotel I ran into to some of the guys that work at the front desk that registered me there the day before. Here’s where my trip begins to take a turn… and again, this is a good example of how at least attempting to converse with people in their own language will really work to your advantage. You’ll have to be your own judge of how much you need to learn, but it is truly amazing how many doors you will open, if you take time to learn a decent amount of Portuguese before heading to Brazil. As far as defining what is a “decent amount” is, you’ll have to be your own judge of that, but if I used Pimsleur’s Brazilian Portuguese I, II & III, and had no problems getting my point across and understanding most responses. Anyhow… when these two hotel employees saw me, will just refer to them as Juan and Jose, they remembered me from the day before because I spoke to them in Portuguese when I checked into the hotel the day before. They said that they were going to drink a few beers at a sidewalk café near the hotel and asked me if I wanted to go too. It sounded like fun, so we went to this little café that probably did not serve much more beyond beer. This place had kind of cheap furnishings (like those plastic Wal-Mart chairs), but made up for that by being located right on a busy sidewalk with lots of people walking by. Mainly locals who are a nice change from all of the tourist that you see on Av. Atlantica. The contrast between Av. Atlantica and one block behind it is pretty significant. Only one street behind Av. Atlantica you will see a lot of business people, average “Joe’s” and a lot of hot looking girls that aren’t on the hunt like the girls on Av. Atlantica are, but back to the side walk café… up to this point, I had only seen 12-ounce beers in Brazil and here in the US we have all different sizes of beer that you can buy. Well, this waiter comes to our table with like a 22-ounce bottle of Skol and I’m thinking… “yeah… this is more like it!”, but no sooner had that thought crossed my mind when the waiter sat down three little glasses for us to split it amongst ourselves with and I thought, “damn… well… when in Rio”. This was cool, because evidently this place was like a meeting spot for the people that worked at the hotel and they were all coming by to say hey. Juan yelled something in Portuguese to this hot little thing that walked by us, of course she didn’t turn around to ask what he said, but from that point on and for the duration of the night, I honestly did not feel like a tourist at all! Well, after a few more beers and exchanging a shit load of stories, Juan told me about this place that he occasionally goes to. This place was unlike any place that I had ever been to before in Rio. The best way that I kind describe it is that it is like a small apartment grouped with businesses and other apartments on the street. It’s one apartment with girls inside of it. There are no signs of any kind whatsoever and unless someone tells you about it, you will never know about it. He told me that occasionally he goes to this place after a stressful day at work and releases some tension (wish that was an option where I live) and best of all…. It’s cheap as hell!! R$ 50!! I’m like dude…. What the hell are we doing sitting around here talking about this place?!! Let’s go!! We all three got in his car and headed that way. He rang the buzzer like 3 or 4 times, but no one ever came back to the door (I went back myself the next day, but to no avail). After our unsuccessful attempt at this place, Juan suggested that we all go to this restaurant/bar type place in Leblon. I am still kicking myself in the ass for this, but I cannot remember what the name of this place is. On the way to this place we stopped and picked up one of their friends. Everyone that I was hanging out with (including the new guy) had all lived in the US and could speak perfect English. I am in my late 20’s and am the oldest in this group. Everyone else is in their mid-early 20’s, but the age difference had no significance on partying. Juan told me that E! did a special at this place with Brook Burke trying different kinds of Cachaca at the upstairs part of this place and I could totally picture her here. It wasn’t fancy at all, but it had this authentic quality to it, kind of like a Brazilian version of a Roadhouse restaurant. We could not have gone to a better place. As far as I could tell, it was all locals and in a safe place. The girls that populated this place were really hot. We all sit down at a big table and commenced to drinking the best beer that I have tasted in Rio. They said that this beer was called Chopp and it was very smooth, almost to the point of being creamy. It was excellent beer! We ordered a big plate of food that was made with filet Minot and a combination of like parmesan and mozzarella cheese. It was awesome!!! We were all BS’ing and I noticed this table close to us with two really good-looking girls and one FINE looking girl. I told the guys that I was with that I wanted to get acquainted with the hot-looking girl wearing an orange shirt and they encouraged me, but warned me that she was not a programa (this I already knew). I told our waiter that I wanted to send a round of drinks to their table and he appeared to be totally confused by this. The guys at our table said that is not a common gesture in Brazil, but I told them and the waiter that I did not care and wanted to do it anyway. The waiter walks over and tells the girls and their reaction was about the same as that of the waiter’s. They declined the offer, but I decided to go to their table anyway. I asked the hottest looking girl at the table why they didn’t want anything and she said it was because they were leaving to go to an area of town called Baixo Gávea and told me that I could meet her there later if I wanted. They thanked me again for offering them drinks, reminded me where they were going and took off. I went back to the table and told the guys what she said and Juan recommended that we all go there. He said that it was a safe place that consisted of a couple of bars kind of grouped together. That was enough for me and we all decided to go. As we were finishing up our drinks, Juan tells me that he knows one of the finest girls in Rio that he could hook me up with if I wanted. Up to this point, I always decline this sort of offer, because #1, it’s no problem finding a hot girl own your own and #2, if she is not quite as fine as they tell you she is, I may feel obligated even though I really would have passed. Juan and the third guy that we picked up on the way to this place kept boasting about how fine this girl was, how she worked out every day of the week and had a hellacious boob job. Juan even went as far as telling me that she was going to have a section in January’s edition of “Sexy”. For those of you who don’t know, this is probably like Brazil’s version of Hustler. I know every one that is reading this right now is screaming B.S., but don’t worry because I promise you that I was too at the time. I told Juan and the other guy that they were making this girl sound too perfect and told them that she must have some sort of flaw. At that point the third guy told me that her face did not have a real good complexion and that she looked like she might have had a problem with acne when she was younger and Juan agreed with that. Anyway, at this point it sounded like the pros outweighed the cons and I was intrigued. I ask him how much I am looking at here and he tells me to be prepared to pay at least $150US and I told him to forget about. I told him that this was not my first time in Rio. He continued to tell me how unbelievably fine she was and for me to just meet her tonight and decide what I wanted to do after that. I told him that sounded ok, but $150 was out of the question and he said that would be up to me to discuss with her… you damn right!!! After about 6 or 7 attempts for him to call her on her cell phone, he finally gets her. When he finishes talking to her, he says that she told him that she would meet only him and me at the Café Paulista. I asked Juan about the other two guys that were with us and he said that they would wait for us at a kiosk on the beach. At first I thought that it was crazy for me to go out of my way to only meet this girl, but then I thought that it would be an excellent opportunity for me to make a get away, if she really was not all that and a bag of potato chips. You could tell that Juan was sincere about this girl because his eyes would get big and his pupils would damn near dilate every time I asked him if this girl was really that fine. Off we go to Café Paulista… If you’ve never been to the Café Paulista, I highly recommend going. I believe it’s on the first block of Rua Constante Ramos right off of Av. Atlantica. I’ve been there before and you can sit either on a sidewalk table (my recommendation) or on the inside and have an excellent espresso or café com leite. After about halfway into my espresso, Juan says, “ah man… there she is…” the next few seconds went by in like a super slow motion, loud inner heartbeat and everything. This was my third time to Rio and I have seen and been with plenty of upscale, hot, sexy women, but this girl was in a different realm. For those of you that have already been to Brazil, you don’t need me to remind you that the brasileras are equipped with the best butts and legs that you could ever dream about and have sexy faces with a smile that knows how to make a man forget about everything else that is going on at that time, but… I’ve noticed that a lot (not all, but a lot) of brasileras seem to be slightly lacking in the chest area, but don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that all of them are and I’m damn sure not complaining. This girl was not lacking anything, anywhere and as a matter of fact she had plenty to share. She gets out of the cab and I want to say that she was wearing a white dress that was about 3 or 4 inches higher than her knees. You could see her quads and calfs contracting with every step. My legs have always been strong, but I dare not try to compare mine to hers. It’s obvious to me now that they were telling me the truth about her going to the gym a lot, but what they were not telling me the truth about was her face complexion. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her complexion. I did notice however that she had a tribal band tattoo on her arm. Tattoos seem to be slightly more popular with women in Brazil than they are here in the US. I have no object to tattoos at all, but I am picky to the point of which kind of tattoo it is, where it’s located and the size of it. Her tattoo made her remind me think of Pamela Anderson and when I told her that she smiled real big, told me thank you and said that she liked her a lot. I decided to invite her to go eat at Porcao’s and although I was leaving my friends behind, I knew they would understand. After we finished eating, she asked me if we could meet again tomorrow night, which was honestly a big relief to me after all of that food and gulping down so many drinks we called it a night. As planned, we met the following night. The girls in Rio are really amazing. This girl showed up at the lobby of the hotel that I was staying at and all of the male employees were looking at me like I had just won the lottery. This had to be one of the finest girls that I have ever laid my eyes on. We ended up going to eat at the Hard Rock Café (3rd time in Rio, 1st time to the Hard Rock Café). I had to pick-up a few shirts and glasses this time. The HRC in Rio is the biggest one that I have ever been too (has a dance floor downstairs), but the food is just like all the rest of them… same menu, same food. After we finished at Hard Rock, we went back to my hotel and at this point I am having the best time of my trip, thus far. Rio is incredible….
I ended up spending another night with this girl and had just as much fun as the night before, but had to call it quits when she started asking me for an advance so that she could pay her apartment rent which was due in just a few days. If ever I am asked for an advancement, it’s time to abandon ship… I ended up telling this girl that I wanted to spend my last few nights in Rio with a girl that I met during my last trip to Rio (which was true), so that pretty much ended that.
This was my first time ever to hook-up with a girl outside of the US after leaving and coming back. I’ll admit, it was a lot of fun, but not really worth all of the time involved. For the last few days, I pretty much juggled my time in between going to the termas, the beach and Rio Sul during the daytime and spending my nights with this girl. The termas and the beach are full of fun opportunities. Make no mistake about it, Rio Sul is packed with beautiful girls, but outside of checking my email at the bookstore and being able to drink beer while walking around the mall, I don’t think that it’s all that great of a place to hook-up with girls. It seemed like all of the girls that I saw there were only interested in one thing… shopping (imagine that!!). I’m sure that others will say that the malls in Rio are the next best thing since sliced bread, but that was just my observation and maybe in will be different after the next time I go.
I did have a hell of a time during my last few days there, but I think it would have been a whole lot better if I would have stuck to the termas during the day and tried going to different clubs and new places at night.
Not much else to add except maybe how much it sucks to head back to the airport on the last day of the trip. Have fun in Rio!!
Hey guys,
Thanks for much for your advice. I am going to Rio for the first time next week so if anyone is out there, let me know. Lots of beers and food in exchange for some local tips.
Two questions: has anyone ever gotten an STD or anything else by going down on the girls down there? I hear that Brazil has the largest number of people with AIDS. Are there some girls that are noticeably cleaner than others? For example, I am guessing the termas girls are out of the question in terms of oral sex but maybe an innocent girl on the beach willing to play may be much safer? I don't know....any advice? Thanks and will report when I get back.
Snowman
JoshJosh69
07-14-04, 21:31
Snowman, I have never gotten anything from going down on the girls there (as far as an STD), but you will develop the "Copacabana cough," which could be the result of that, who knows. Just make sure there aren't any open lesions in your mouth and that the girls smells clean. A sign of infection in women is an unclean, fishy smell, and you want to avoid that.
Young & Restless: what a nice post. I am leaving back to Rio on Friday to celebrate my graduation from PA school and I am very excited to get back. I agree that learning Portuguese opens up many doors. I resisted learning for the first 5 or 6 times, but then gave in and decided that I wanted to be able to communicate more.
If anyone from this board is there, you can see me often being the only gringo to ring the bell outside of HELP.
See you there
Lover Boy #2
07-14-04, 22:03
"Chopp" is "draft" in a glass. If you liked a certain type, you would have to find the brand. Chopp in one place is not the same Chopp as the next place.
Young & Restless
Hell of a report, man!
Do you care to share the name of the hotel you stayed at?
HG
Snowman,
What is your trip looking like, where are you staying, who are you going with, how much money are you taking with you, what are your goals for this visit? Just some random things I can think of, bring lots of American Condoms, some KY, Immodium AD, Asprin, and if you can get those anti-Hangover Pills order them asap, they work great and wont leave you feeling High and dry the next day. Have a great time take lots of pictures and give us a great report, be safe, and for gods sake leave the expensive jewlery and items at home. I'm Jealous.
Fartknocker
07-15-04, 00:55
Y&R,
Sounds like you had a great time. Nice report.
I'll give you the lowdown on beer in Brazil, since it sounds like you are still figuring the bar scene out. To me, drinking in Brazil is almost as fun as fucking in Brazil. As you discovered, Brazilians are a lot more open and social than Americans. Once you learn Portuguese, you will find you can walk into virtually any bar in the country by yourself and walk out with a bunch of new friends. Its never hard to find a drinking buddy in Brazil.
The vast majority of all the beer drunk in Brazil is out of the large 600 ml (about 21 1/2 oz) bottle you discovered. Ask for a "garrafa" of cerveja. The custom is for everyone at the table to drink out of little 6-oz glasses from the same bottle. The reason for this (besides being social) is that Brazilians are nuts for super-cold beer. When a Brazilian orders a beer "bem gelada," he expects it to be served below freezing temperature. Beer this cold warms up fast, so everyone pours from the same bottle, and then orders a new cold one straight from the fridge.
The standard 12 oz bottles are called "longnecks" just like in the US. (although they pronounce it Brazilian-style "long-i-neck-eh"). Sometimes 12 oz cans, "latas", are available, but are not as common. I've seen cans more at outdoor parties, "blocos" (block parties), the beach and other places where portability and disposability are issues. Most Brasilians don't want to go out to a bar and drink canned beer, though.
Most lower end bars serve only garrafas. These bars, with their plastic tables and chairs out on the sidwalk can be found in every neighborhood in every town in Brazil. Mid-scale bars, often indoors and equiped with a little nicer decor, may serve both garrafa and longneck. Upscale bars and boates usually only serve longnecks. The garrafa is generally cheaper per ounce than a longneck, which explains why they are nearly universal at the lower end bars. A typical price at a street bar for a garrafa is about R$2.50 (sometimes as low as R$1.95), while a longneck will usually run about R$1.50 at a mid-scale bar, or up to R$4.00 at a boate or upscale bar.
Brazilians drink a light pilsner type beer almost exclusively. Dark beers, ales, and more flavorful, hoppy beers are very much in the minority. To a beer aficionado, Brazil is a vast desert wasteland. The most popular pilsner in Rio/SP area is, by far, Skol. Its a reasonably drinkable brew. I find Brahma, another very common beer, equal to Skol. Bohemme is decent too. Antarctica tastes very watered down to me. Nova Schin, Lokal and the rest of the cheap beers, in my book, are good for nothing but a hangover and a case of the beer shits. Basically, though, they are all just standard pilsners like Miller or Icehouse here in the States.
The most common dark beer around is Caracu. I love dark beer, but Caracu is way too sweet and not hoppy enough for my taste. Even sweeter is a dark beer called Maltzbier -- I'm talking sweeter than Coca Cola here. The best dark beers in the Rio area are usually imported from Europe.
The chope (also spelled chopp sometimes) is not a brand. "Chope" is Brazilian for draft beer, as opposed to "cerveja", which is always bottled. Unlike here in the States, you don't often find the same brand name available in both draft and bottle. My Brazilian friends insist that chope is brewed completely different from cerveja. I don't buy it, but I got tired of arguing with them on the subject. Mostly you don't order chope by brand name. Most bars, if they have chope, will only have one kind of light chope and maybe one kind of dark chope. Ask for "chope claro" if you want a light beer, and "chope escuro" if you want dark.
My opinion is the same as yours that chope usually is a bit better than the average cerveja. However, I have found that most places usually don't serve their chope as cold as the cerveja, and chope often costs over twice as much as cerveja in the garrafa. After a time in Brazil, I developed a taste for the stupid-cold beer that Brasileiros love so much, so I usually order the cerveja -- as long as its really "bem gelada."
I know all this is hopelessly off topic, but since half the pay-for-play action, and most of the non-pro action in Brazil happens at the bar or boate, I think every Brazil monger needs to know his beer. So grab your amiga, order a garrafa "bem gelada," toast her health by saying "saude" as you clink your glasses together, and get ready for a Rio night. ;-)
Snowman, JoshJosh:
I arrive next fri 7/23, for the 10th time. :)
I'll be spending quality time with my GF that day. I'm also planning on going to Sao Paulo, maybe the following Tues, for a few days. I'll PM my phone number, when i arrive. (Make sure your PM feature is activated) This will be my first trip without my wingman :(
When th GF, isn't around, i'd like to hang out with someone.
i'll be on Rio for 2 weeks, how about you guys?
I will be in Rio beginning July 21 for an undetermined period. Always fun to hang out with the guys. PM me if you'll be there and want to hang.
Lotech
Jonny Hit Run
07-15-04, 06:10
I just got back from 10 days in Paradise and I can honestly say that my biggest fear is that someday it could all go away. This being my third trip and after working my way about halfway through Pimsleur Portuguese II I must recommend to all trying to learn some Portuguese. It made a big difference while negotiating with the chicas, the cab drivers and even when addressing the people on the streets. As usual the first night I bit early at the Terracao Atlantico with a sexy cutie named Simoni who for R200 gave me agreat BBBJ and Greek at the Vanity down the street. After our time was up she insisted that I come home with her to spend the night. I thought about it and said what the heck. In retrospect maybe not the smartest move but first night in town and all. We ended up using the other two condoms I had stashed in my wallet and I woke up in one of the noisiest damn apartment buildings in Rio! After a long walk back to the Marriott a shower and then hit the beach. I've never gotten laid by going to the beach but for some reason this Marvellous City seems to provide me with many firsts, which for a youthfull 41 year old single white man has got me wondering why the fuck didn't I know about this place 20 years ago? Anyway I met a light skinned blue eyed Garota after about 10 minutes and I left my buddy to pay the tab for beers, food, chairs and umbrellas with Jose' at the beach in front of the Othon Palace but he was cool and back to Vanity I went this time R150. FS and CBJ but at this point I really didn't care I'm in country for less than 16 hours and I've gotten hotter action than I've had stateside for the last 3 months!With women whose company I enjoy who, granted are being paid for services but did I mention whose company I enjoyed? Hell I don't even like the women I sleep with at home and truth be told it costs me a lot more! Next day I meet Lara at Help shes a really pretty dark haired deeply tanned beauty from Barra Tijuca who has one of the prettiest pussys I ever eaten. She was exceptional friendly sweet and down right appreciative of the fact that I picked her on a slow week night as the men were outnumbered 3-1. Back to Vanity I go for a lengthy 69 session finished by missionary which was fine with me because she's just so damn pretty. The next day I called her at home and asked her to meet me for lunch at the Marriott.She obliged and after a great cheeseburger poolside we resumed the 69 position in my room which was followed with some rambunctious doggy and we layed exhausted on the bed eating M&M's from the mini bar. She called her mom to tell her where she was I said Hi to mom and Lara later told me that she and mom were going to SP next week as she was getting breast implants($2000.00USD.) Later that night off to Help where I met up with Lilia who I had attempted to conquer over Carnaval last Feb to no avail. My friends who live in Rio have nicknamed her High Price Expensive. We exchanged banter briefly and she quoted R400, I laughed and walked away. As the night wore on and the Black Label took it's toll on me I revisited the negotiations with her which is where the Portugese comes in handy, and agreed on R250. She came back to the Mar-ee-ah-chee with me and to see this 5'1" 98lb beauty naked was a sheer joy. I ate her pussy for at least an hour then switched to 69 for at least another half hour and then fucked her really hard for about 3 minutes. And so it went for the rest of my trip jugggling chicas all the while remaining friendly with all and basicly ruining my chances for ever maintaining a normal stateside relationship with women of my own age. I couldn't be happier.
Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. It's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bite.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
Jackson
Fartknocker
07-15-04, 14:10
Snowman66,
Whoever told you that Brazil has the "largest number of people with AIDS" is completely full of shit. From the figures I have seen, Brazil has an HIV rate only slightly higher than the US. The Brazilian government has been particularly enlightened regarding the fight against AIDS. Brazil actually manufactures its own anti-viral AIDS drugs and distributes them free of charge through the public health system.
Are there some girls that are "noticeably cleaner?" Yeah, I guess so. If you see big nasty herpes sores all over a chick's pussy, you can be pretty sure she's not clean. Other diseases can present absolutely no noticable signs.
The Terma girls are at least as clean as any hookers you are going to find in Brazil. Unlike some street girls, they use condomns 100% of the time and get checked out regularly.
My experience with disease in Brazil is that you have more to fear from the water than the women. I've never caught an STD in Brazil, but I've spent many a day shitting my guts out due to the filthy sanitation at restaurants and bars.
If you see big nasty herpes sores all over a chick's pussy, you can be pretty sure she's not clean. Other diseases can present absolutely no noticable signs. I think it would be prudent to add that herpes may very well present no noticeable signs of infection, either. I believe close to half of women who contract it don't have symtoms.
Sorry for beating this dead horse again.
I've never caught an STD in Brazil, but I've spent many a day shitting my guts out due to the filthy sanitation at restaurants and barsLOL!!
That's why I ALWAYS bring my trusty Pepto when travelling to a third world country.
Jonny Hit Run
I have been trying to get more info about the Vanity. How much does it cost and for how long? How are the rooms? Any info is appreciated. If any one else has any info, please let me know.
Deviant Freak
07-15-04, 21:12
I know it's early, but I've made my plans to be in Rio for a couple of weeks in late January - early February to catch Carnaval. (First time for Carnaval, second time to Rio.) Maybe it's just too far in advance, but most of the Carnaval info online right now relates to 2004 or earlier, with very little info about the upcoming festivities aside from dates.
Have any of you been before during Carnaval? Will any of you be there for '05?
Young & Restless
07-15-04, 23:48
Hi to all,
I don’t have easy access to the internet at the moment, so sorry for the late response…
Headgames,
Don't mind at all. I stayed at the Marriott on Av. Atlantica. This is the second hotel that I have stayed at in Rio and I know that there are hundreds available, but as far as I am concerned this is the best one. It is a little on the expensive side, but IMHO I think that it is easily worth the extra money. First and most importantly, they do allow girls back to your room. They say that they don't want you to bring them in between 6AM -10PM or something like that, but that is BS. I brought them there at all hours and was only told once about the rules, but of course they let us go to my room even after the warning (it was kind of funny, because the guy that warned me was one of the guys from the hotel that I was drinking with a few nights before). Just a formality... The food there is excellent too. You could honestly eat there most of the time, but to me that takes some of the nostalgia away from the trip.
Snowman,
No STDs here, but I still recommend exercising caution at all times. Almost all of the girls at Centaros will give you a BBBJ without you even asking them to, but if they start to open one up before they give you a BJ, just say “sem condom”. I have never been refused for one there. I would be more careful with the SWs. Some of them are hot and will give you a hell of a deal on the price, but I think it is a bit more risky to hook up with them. As far as the AIDS population goes, I have read this site and I think that it is probably a decent indicator for AIDS populations in different countries: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
In case they censor that web-site, I will send it to you in a PM.
GoRio,
The answer is a definite yes! If I failed to mention any vertical action, it was because all of these words started blending together after typing so much. As mentioned, nothing to report on the first night, but the 2nd night and the 3rd morning were quite nice. This chick was into full body massages and that totally hit home with me, because sometimes I get the feeling that they want to take care of business and go (not all the times, but sometimes). After a nice, long massage, I had wood that you could have done a monkey swing off of. Typically, I make a conscious effort to last for a while; unfortunately I was not able to with this chick. Fifteen minutes was about all I could handle, but satisfaction is the name of the game and fifteen minutes was enough to achieve it. Looking back, I wish I had gone for my second-wind though. The last night that I spent with this chick was a little strange. After we ate at a restaurant and went back to the hotel, of course I am ready for the games to begin, but she said that she was feeling bad, so we didn’t do anything. I had not given her any money, so I thought to myself, “hey, if a hot-ass chick wants to spend the night with me, how can I say no to that”. The next morning was awesome, but again, 15 minutes tops (that kind of sucked). Once she started asking me for an advancement after that morning’s session, that was the end of that. I will never and I don’t recommend that any one ever pay in advance. If they want the money so bad that they have to have it right then and there, that’s my cue to find a different chick.
Lotech,
I have spent several nights at the Vanity. Keep in mind that it is nothing more than a honeymoon hotel. It seems like they have TVs in the room (I honestly don’t remember), they have radios, showers and room service (beer anyway), but no safes. The best things about the Vanity are that it is only a 5-minute walk from Help and that it is cheap. When I stayed there, it was R$ 50,00 per night.
Fartknocker,
It is obvious that you are the beer authority in Rio! I’ll admit I am a bit of a beer fanatic myself. So far the only commercially sold beers that I have came across in Brazil are Skol, Brahama and Antarctica (and I rate them in that order). The chopp was easily my favorite though. Thanks for the rundown on the beer scene in Rio. Can you recommend any good bars?
I’m going back to Rio in November. If anyone that has been to Rio recently could give an update on the fingerprinting process at the airport, I’d appreciate it. I’m mainly concerned with how long it takes.
Have fun!
Young & Restless
JoshJosh69
07-16-04, 00:42
When I went to Rio in April, there was no fingerprinting going on. So unless they've changed it in the last couple of months; nothing doing. I am leaving from NYC to Rio tomorrow and am very excited. Look for the gringo ringing the bell at HELP.
This is perhaps a bit off topic for this part of the forum, but since Y&R mentioned eating in at the Marriott: Please consider going to a rodizio! There are many of these steak houses, and for me they are almost as big an attraction as the garotas. The price is reasonable, and it's all you can eat. Waiter after waite will come by with delicious meats, and you have as much as you want.
Try the side dishes as well. Usually, they are served on a huge salad bar. This is also include in the fixed price. The small fried bananas are a must. So are the heart of palms, palmitos.
Alcoholic drinks are not include in the price, but a nice cocktail is recommended.
The best places I have been to are Plataforma (in another part of this forum I have reported on the disco right next door as a great place to pick up women), Marius (at Leme beach) and Porcao (in Ipanema). I am not sure, but I believe that Porcao is a chain restaurant , but it is an extremely high-class one.
If you really want to impress a girl, take her to one of these places and treat her to an excellent meal. Of course, after you stuff yourself the business end of taking the girl back to your hotel might be a bit more difficult ... ;-)
Euro
Jonny Hit Run
07-16-04, 06:11
Lotech,
The Vanity quoted me R70(and offered R100 for the whole night) the first time and said the rate was for two hours but I stayed much longer.
When I went back the next day I offered R50 and from that point on was my rate.
The place is not plush but it's clean and they play great tunes. It's spitting distant from Help. They even have a menu on the nightstand they'll deliver beer, condoms, and brought up a tube of lubricant for R5.
It's kind of a trip at night because it's a total fuckfest and the hallways echo with the sounds of chicas getting spackled and loving it!
They only other Love Motel I've tried in Rio is called Copa Mar and I believe it's behind the Marriott. It was nicer but more expensive but that was during Carnaval and the rates were being raised daily as the weekend approached.
Deviant Freak,
I went to Carnaval in 1998. IMHO it's something that's worth experiencing once just to get it out of your system, but not worth doing a second time.
To cut to the chase, your best bet is to find a travel agent that specializes in tours to Brazil and book your Carnaval trip through them. If you try to arrange things on your own, you'll pay through the nose. I wouldn't be at all surprised if even now, in July, it's too late to get a decent hotel room in Rio during the Carnaval days. Just bear in mind that the price on everything is jacked up, way up, during Carnaval--hotels, taxis--in fact, everything but pussy. In fact, Carnaval is the easiest time to get it free. However, this is the period during which many hotels will crack down on bringing girls to your room. But I digress.
If you live in a large city, you can probably find a Brazil specialist just by looking in the phone book. If not, look in the Sunday travel section of the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle. Since I live in LA, I used Brazil Tours and Travel, located somewhere in the San Fernando Valley on Ventura Blvd. You can probably get their number by calling directory assistance for the 818 area code. No, I don't work for or with them; I just used them that once and have never talked to them since. However, they arranged everything at a reasonable price. If you go, be sure you get tickets for the Sambodromo on Monday night of Carnaval week. It's the highlight of Carnaval...except for the pussy, which flows like water.
Lorenzo
I've looked into the Marriott and their rooms start at about $235 US, at least that what it says on hotels.com.
I have to admit, it's almost tempting to stay there, though, based on favorable reports I've read here. I like saving the money when renting an apartment, but I also value having a cool, quiet, dark place to sleep, and getting the linens changed every day (especially when mongering!).
I also enjoy a good comfortable mattress. So many in Brazil are those flat, vaguely spongy things, I've never even seen one in the States. Best sleep I had in Rio was at the Luxor Regente hotel.
Young & Restless
07-16-04, 16:18
Headgames,
Is the Luxor Regente the one that is right next to the Marriott? I've peaked into it and it looks alright. What's their policy on bringing guest back to your room? When I go back in November I am going to stay at a cheaper hotel, because my friend that's going with me doesn't want to pay the Marriott room rates (totally understandable). I am strongly considering the Rio Roiss unless some people have some really negative feedback on it. I think the Debret is out of the question. They told me that guest were no longer allowed there, but I took a brief tour of the hotel and was not very impressed. Is the Rio Roiss any better? Any alternative suggestions are welcome.
Y & R
Deviant Freak
07-16-04, 17:17
Hey Lorenzo,
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I do figure I have to experience it once in my life. There's no way I'd blow $ on a hotel again -- I've already booked an apartment in Ipanema (averages about $60/night, including Carnaval!) and I got a good deal on air from LAX (about $770 on fares-fair.com, including a stop in Iguazu Falls before I come home).
The last time I was there was in the middle of their winter, and while I had a blast, it was a bit sedate, and I'm itching to see the other extreme! Anyone else who will be there around that time is free to PM me.
El Mujerista
07-16-04, 17:27
Y&R,
The Luxor Copacabana is the one next to the Marriott. No worries about the ladies there, mate. They will ask her to register and keep her ID, though -- when she leaves, they'll call your room to make sure everything's good before they return her ID.
Happy Hunting,
EM
Young & Restless: That hotel right next to the Marriott is the California hotel, it has been there for years and is a good hotel, its now part of the Othon chain so you can check it out on their website. The luxor Regente is more down near Help one block from the Debret and the Miramar Palace, it is more in walking distance to Help.
Guys,
Just got back from 10 fun filled days in Rio and had a blast again !! Just a word to the wise, watch your back. My buddy got mugged right around the corner from Help about a 1/2 block down Miguel Lemos. Three thugs got his empty wallet, he was smart and left credit cards etc. in his apartment. Roughed up a bit but no damage.....just be careful as always.
We hit Monte Carlo, L'uomo and Centauras.
Monte Carlo...used to be my favorite but talent level has been average for about a year now. Look for Luanna, 5'4" 100lbs, white complexion, short brown hair, great attitude and a pornstar in the sack. Loves to give rim jobs. Also, Lila, maybe 5' 90lbs, beautiful face and body and suck the chrome off a trailer hitch !!! Got me off twice in 40 minutes...nice !!!!
Luomo....keep hearing great things but didn't see it when there. Maybe we hit slow nights. Did a rookie, first week on the job and it showed. Very nice but kinda timid and gave covered BJ, only second time in 4 years, but finished nice. Can't recall her name, she was tall, thin blond with a cute face...
Cetauras.....hands down winner again. If you only get one girl here make it Melena !!! BEAUTIFUL with a killer body. Somewhere between mulatta and morena with a great smile and great black hair past her shoulders. Just alot of great looking women to chose from here. Slightly more expensive but worth it.
Still don't understand guys who get hotel rooms instead of apartments. You can get maid service in your apartment for a small charge and you have no hassels about guests. A room at the Marriott for $230 ??? That's 5 nights in a One bedroom apt. !!!! Think of all that extra cash for garotas !!!!
Termas girls do get fined for missed days and some termas, like Monte Carlo, will fire a girl if she is seen outside with a client from the club. Has happpened to me with respect to 2 girls from there....Marcio canned them both.
It's winter time a the crowds from Help are gone and the ratio of Mongers to garotas was great. Not to beat a dead horse but guys are still over paying. 300R + was the asking price for nearly every girl....tell them NO WAY !!! We held fast to a max. of 200R and had few turn away. Stay away from the "it's only an extra $33 US" bullshit....IT'S THE PRINCIPLE. A $100 US is a shit load of money, don't pay it !! OK, sermon over.
And watch your shit around these Help chicks cause some, not all but some, will steal you blind. Something like...."can I have a glass of water ??" sure and when you walk back in the bedroom she's going thru your pants pocket/wallet !! Once again, watch your ass. In my experience these chicks a in the minority but......
Can't wait to get back, Stay safe.
Hammer
Young & Restless
07-17-04, 14:04
Rio Bob,
That's the one!
RxHammer,
Looks like you had a good time in Rio. I have also had a similar experience with a girl from Help going through my pockets. She did it while I was passed out so I was madder at myself than at the girl. Thankfully she didn't get too much.
I have thought about getting an apartment in Rio. I want one that changes the sheets everyday and picks up a little bit. While I'm on vacation, the only chore that I want to focus on is having a good time. Also, I would want a decent one. I'm not saying the Ritz Carlton, but I have gone to a couple of garaota's apartments in Rio and although they were close to the beach, they were both pretty run down.
Recommend one to me (and their web-site, if possible) and I'll check into it. I'm going back in November and the current plan is to stay at the Rio Roiss. The pictures that I have seen look fair, but if I can get something better for the same price, I'm all over that!
Y & R
Young & Restless: Other folks jumped in and answered your questions. Luxor Regente is at other end of beach. Same policy: sign the girl in, and they charge you extra.
Kenn has a lot of apartments, search forum for info about him. Some folks swear by apartments, but I think you understand it is a mixed bag. You do save money, no question about that. The maid service may or may not be available every day. One nice thing about a hotel is if there's a problem, you just move to another room. You can generally get a quiet and cool room to catch up on your sleep. An apartment may be very noisy, or the A/C may not cool that great. That sort of thing.
Rabo Verde
07-17-04, 21:32
For a really first class apartment in a great neigborhood, can't beat the Ipanema Tower. Full maid service and breakfast, 24 hour lobby and doorman. The published prices are high, but when I call them and mooch a little (corporate discount, stayed b4, etc.), they end up giving me the 2 BR suites for about $100-110 a night. This is where, e.g., IBM puts its execs who are there for a week or more. Completely girl-friendly, 1 block from Ipanema beach, Internet access in the lobby, great restaurants around the corner. Units have full kitchen, good A/C, 10 minute cab ride to Help. Much cleaner, safer than Copacabana, like night and day. Don't pay extra for the view suites on the higher foors, they have a view of the beach or algoon thru other blgs IF you stand on the balcony, not worth it and they will usually upgrade you anyway if these are open when you arrive. One bedroom in most units is King size, other has two twins and slightly smaller, so usually split the price 60/40 with my buddy.
http://www.ipanema.com/hotel/i.htm
http://www.ipanematower.com.br/ingles/index.html
How far are good restaurants and stuff from the Ipanema Towers? Heardgood things about it.
Rabo Verde
07-18-04, 02:13
Probably 20 restaurants within 2 blocks.
This is like the Beverly Hills or Upper Manhattan of Rio, so lots of everything. One cheap and good restaurant right around the corner is CHAIKA. Just down from Chaika are two bookstores with coffee shops and Internet services.
Lots of info on Ipanema at:
http://www.ipanema.com
Come on guys don't be sheep and follow the crowd to Copacabana! Ipanema is 10X cleaner nicer and safer and just a 10 minute cab-ride away. Just because you monger in Copacabana for 2 hours a day, why spend the other 22 hours a day in a dirty violent shithole????
While we are on the subject, try out some of the girls at:
www.ciaplus.com
And similar agencies. MUCH nicer than the Help girls, similar quality at half the price! PIX are about 90% accurate, and they cater mostly to rich Brazilians and rely on repeat business, so much more mellow and eager to please, IMHO and YMMV. For further info see the thread on BRAZIL-RIO-ESCORTS.
RxHammer,
I for one would greatly appreciate it if you and others would refrain from preaching to other members about how much we should pay garotas. It's perfectly okay to tell us what you spend, and even the maximum that you would spend, but it's really not your business what others spend. After all, I am a grown man, it's my money, and I'll spend as much or as little as I please. If I especially like a girl, I will pay her a little more, and in some cases a lot more. In other words, I'll pay what it's worth to me.
I know what the response will be, that paying more will drive up prices for everyone else. My response to this is: 1) it won't, and 2) even if it does, that's not my problem. But here's why it won't: if I pay a girl who's been especially satisfying more than the going rate, then sure, she may ask more from subsequent customers. But that doesn't mean you have to pay it. We all know that girls can be bargained down. Does anyone remember the Jerry Lee Lewis song that goes, "the girls all get prettier at closing time?" Well, the reverse of this for GDPs is "todos os gringos parecem mais bonitos quando HELP! esta cerrando."
Just for the record, I have often many times made outside appointments with termas girls that I have received excellent service from, and I have written elsewhere about how to get them into top quality hotels. My going rate for them is US$100 per hour, which I inform them of when I'm making the date over the phone. It has never failed to result in the girl keeping the date and giving me excellent service in an air conditioned room in a luxury hotel. Now that's paradise! I usually take them out to dinner as well, off the clock of course.
Bottom line: if you try to act like someone with some class, you'll have a great time and definitely have a GFE. It's never failed. And swear off HELP! Most of the girls there are skanks. Find a high quality girl at a termas or an escort service and strike up a private arrangement with her. You won't regret it.
Lorenzo
Sunset Strip
07-18-04, 18:49
Can somebody please tell me what the hours are for quarto by quatro therma located in the cento?
Thanks.
And I assume their prices are a little cheaper than Lu'omo and Monte Carlo. Is this true?
I will be back in Rio soon and I am trying to branch out a bit. I appreciate those posts on the smaller thermas in Copacabana and centro.
But I did hear from a friend that some of those places, even in Copacabana, are scary for a gringo. He said he felt uncomfortable in the Thermas Copacabana (I think this is the one located near Blockbuster Video/Citibank). Are these places safe, in general? Is the Therams Copacabana safe?
TJ
Young & Restless
07-18-04, 19:58
HeadGames,
Thanks for clarifying the guest policy of the Luxor Regente. After I read your post, I called them and they confirmed what you said and went on to say that they charge R$ 50 for your guest and the only way they will allow guest is if you are booked under a single room. Looks like a nice hotel that would definitely be worth considering. Thanks!
Y & R
Fartknocker
07-18-04, 21:27
Lorenzo falou:
"I know what the response will be, that paying more will drive up prices for everyone else. My response to this is: 1) it won't, and 2) even if it does, that's not my problem. But here's why it won't: if I pay a girl who's been especially satisfying more than the going rate, then sure, she may ask more from subsequent customers. But that doesn't mean you have to pay it."
Besides that, you have other reasons why the overall price of ass in Brazil is not going to go up:
1) The poor in Brazil aren't getting any richer. One hundred Reis will still be a lot of money 5 years from now, and there will always be girls who will do anything for that amount of money.
2) The birthrate in Brazil is still high, especially in the country. The innocent 13 year olds of today are tomorrow's fresh crop of Rio putas.
3) Brazilian men are NOT going to overpay, no matter what us gringos do, and the amount spent by Brazilian men on prostitutes absolutely dwarfs the amount spent by foreigners. You can overpay all you like, but you won't move the overall market price much.
The only thing that is going up is the price of ass at HELP. Outside of HELP, and particularly outside of Rio/SP, Brazilian ass is selling for the same price it was years ago. So if you don't like the price of HELP girls, get the hell away from HELP.
Lover Boy #2
07-19-04, 00:29
Hotel Paysandu.
This is a VERY basic type of hotel. Many of the rooms have no hot water on the basin faucet, the rooms are very old and the breakfast is horrible (substandard compared to even substandard hotel breakfasts!). There is also a lot of noise from mechanical equipment and the place looks like it is falling apart. Those are the negatives, now the positives; great Flamingo location on a quiet street near good restaurants and transportation, very friendly hotel staff, good A/C, very small addition for guests. All in all, I would not stay here as there are other better deals around town.
Lover Boy #2
07-19-04, 00:49
Chacal said;
My favorite place to enjoy one or multiple women is a Swingers bar (there are a few in the Rio area). Only couples are allowed on Fri and Sat nights. Pick a young lady of your choice and take her with you for a night you will never forget. And trust me on this, both pross and non-pros are very interested in checking out these places (most I have spoken with have never been to one of these places). I have taken both, pros and non-pros there and never paid anything more than the admission price and drinks
Chacal,
Other than Solarium, could you give us more information (name, address, tel. #) on the clubs you are talking about? Thanks.
Floyd Dylan
07-19-04, 01:33
The continuing sagas of our shameless hero.
When we last left our protagonist, he had finally gotten his brains fucked out in Sao Paulo (see full report in that section).
Moving on to Rio, where the mongering is not as good, but the living is fantastic. Beaches, mountains, forests, amazing scenery.
This time I didn't have the benefit of a local to show me around, but fortunately there were a lot of postings to go by.
I would have loved to have tried swinging at Solarium, but alas I was not there on a day when that was scheduled. Centaurus got great reviews, but 290R just for the entrance fee? Fuhgettaboutit.
Although I was staying downtown (Hotel Gloria, a nice historic place, but has no bar!), I decided to check out L'Uomo, since the consensus on the board is that it's one of the best termas.
I discovered a colleague that likes to monger as well, so we shared a cab to the club. When you arrive at the address, you'll see the name in neon up on the second floor of an open-air mall. Again, I was pleasantly surprised by how on the up-and-up everything was - the front desk girls explain clearly what the prices are, and exactly what to expect. Nice, no negotiations. Entrance is 50R if you don't end up going with a girl to a room, 35R if you do; girls are 150R for an hour; rooms are (I think) 50 / 70 / 90? For a room without bathroom (who wants that?) / regular room (suite) / and deluxe suite, which only means it's bigger - there's no rooms with jacuzzis or anything. You pay everything at the end, and the money for the girl must be in cash; the rest can be C/C.
The rooms are quite small, not as nice as the places in Sao Paulo. And L'Uomo is supposed to be one of the more high-end places! The bed is a single, built into the wall, with barely room on one side of it to get around. The bathroom is a decent size.
The club itself is also quite small - maybe 10m x 5m. There is a bar, couches along the walls, and a small stage on which they have striptease shows every 20 minutes or so. There were maybe 20 girls working the night we went (Saturday, about 9pm). None of them were stunners, but there were some moderately attractive contenders. My friend chose to go with a small, short girl AND a tall, lanky one. I hooked up with a girl named Priscilla - medium dark (black) skin, great medium-sized body, not that great a face, long dark hair. I liked her because she was smiley and seemed genuine and wasn't pushy like some of the others. We get in the room, and much to my pleasant surprise, she gets right down on her knees and starts giving me a nice BBBJ. I lift my foot up to the bed to give her better access, and she gives my balls a very talented sucking. Then she proceeds to rim me! This sends me over the edge, and I shoot a ton of cum onto her tits. She's laughing and giggling about how much cum I produced (it had been a few days since release), and we head for the shower. Back on the bed, she sucks me hard again, and we fuck in a few different positions. The intercourse wasn't amazing, but still good. Having cum once already, it was taking me forever to cum as we're banging away, and she was a good sport about it.
When we settled up on the way out, I gave the deskperson 20R extra, as a tip for Priscilla. They were really thrown by this, and didn't know how to handle it. Funny.
A few days later I was exploring Copacabana (which certainly does not live up to it's reputation - it's just a lower-end shopping district like in any other city), and decided to check out one of the cheaper, lower-end places mentioned on the board.
Avenue Copacobana #583 is an apartment building with a few steps up into a long hallway which leads to the elevators and stairs beyond. On the second floor are a few apartments that have been turned into brothels. I tried Apt. 204, as it was positively mentioned in reports.
It's basically a 2 or 3 bedroom apartment, with tricks turned in the bedrooms, and the greeting and hanging out done in the living room. You go in, pass a guy at a desk who collects the money at the end, and take your choice of girls (there were 3 there around 6pm on a Monday). The whole place is pretty sleazy - it doesn't smell good, look good, or feel good. Thusly, I chose to only receive a blow job. The girl was attractive (I don't remember her name) and good at her job, so I was satisfied. But I wouldn't recommend this place for anything more than a BJ - it's just too skanky. For one thing, you have to cross thru the living room to get to the bathroom, if you wanted to shower. It was also clear they don't change the sheets between customers. But it was cheap - only 60R for 30 minutes.
Other than picking up a non-working girl at a party, that was the extent of my experiences in Brazil. A fantastic country with so much to offer, and such wonderful people. I hope to come back some day.
Cheers,
Floyd
With all due respect to Lorenzo and Fartknocker, I have to disagree with you guys. Paying more than the going rate will absolutely raise the standard price, it has already gone up as more and more U.S. overspenders are discovering Brazil. If you disagree, go to some places where there aren't alot of U.S. tourists and you'll pay a fraction of the going rate in Rio.
Even if the locals don't get charged more, we gringos will. It doesn't matter how poor the girls are or how many of them there are, that Supply and Demand stuff only works in an intelligent market-place where people don't intentionally over-pay current price structures. Once people from another area force their priceing on people from another area, price will change. They will charge what they can get, not what the local economy dictates. A prostitute in Costa-Rica now makes more in a day or 2 than a doctor makes in a month. Why?, because of U.S. guys who want to "spend what they want to spend". As the price has gone up service and attitude has gone down down.
Over the last 10 years in Costa-Rica I've watched it go from $20 all-night with great GFE to $100 an hour with bad attitude, all because of an influx of U.S. guys that feel compelled to spend what they want and ignore the local market conditions. Now the scene is much more hard-core, less fun and more expensive- why is this necessary?.
Is it your busniness what you spend?- Yes!, will it impact others and effect the environment negatively?- Yes!. I don't know what you guys get out of overpaying, but it really does tend to mess things up. Over-paying, over-tipping and this "ego-driven" generosity changes the girls attitudes and creates feelings of entitlement. Next thing you know, they are not that different the gringas we go there to get away from.
I really don't think I'm over-reacting, I had to flee Costa-Rica for just this reason and am seriously hoping it doesn't happen in Brazil as I don't know where to go next.
Hi,
It's been my observation that the primary reason that guys over pay is because they suffer from fear of rejection.
I know, "fear of rejection" is a funny concept to the experienced traveler, but there are alot of guys who haven't been laid in a while, and when the prospect is standing right in front of them, they don't want to make a single mistake that might result in the chica "rejecting" them.
I tell guys who I meet on their first trip that they should turn down at least one chica every night just for practice.
Just my .02 worth.
Jackson
Latina Addict
07-19-04, 16:40
Gentlemen, The following is why I miss Baries Sooooo much:
First, I would like to say that I thoroughly brief all fellow mongering friends completely, including the following two victoms which I am about to describe. I first need to say I have pulled out no less than 20 8+ Garotas from help in the last 6 or so years. The only bad experience i have had was on "Oh my pussy hurts" (Jackson must have fucked her earlier in the day). I have never been ripped off and have refused numerous times to pay up front.
I briefed a fellow monger for at least 2 hours on proper help procedures on last friday night. He went (luckiy) with a speaker to Help on Sat., 17 july. Arrived at 1 AM and left with "Dimanio" (her real name from ID" All was discussed properly and professionally in Help, ie. 65 US TLN until 12 PM, BBBJ, CFS, No anal of any kind and guaranted GFE or he did not have to pay. Remember, there was a fluent Portiuguise speaker negotiating with this C---, and she spoke a little conversational english. there was NO misunderstanding of what was to take place.
Even though I briefed him NOT to take a cab recommended by the Garota, he did out of convenience. In the cab after the cab missed the first retorno ( Hotel was the Marriot) to U turn back to our hotel, he got nervous and said in english to the garota " I he does not turn this cab around, I am going to fucking s
Latina Addict
07-19-04, 17:02
############# My post was erroneously sent when I hit enter Sorry...############## Any way my buddy said " If the driver does not turn this cab around, I and going to fucking sanp his neck over this seat", The Garota then in panic mode, spoke to the driver and he skidded the cab at the passing retorno and they then headed toward the Marriot. Price was a fixed 10 reals to the hotel, and he was sure that a hostage situation was developing.
At the room, a CBJ ensued, and that was his first he had a fucked up garota. After a brief FS, no anal session where she basically just lied there, she got up and demanded the money, and to leave. A scene ensued when he said it was for TLN, she said that would be then 200 US, and she stormed into the Bathroom. Based on the paranoia I instilled in him, he called security and they arrived as she came out of the bathroom. He saw the writing on the wall and asked they take her outside to leave. Then the following came out of her lyeing ass mouth: He did not pay me. I asked for 200 US after he wanted to fuck me in my ass. My father is a policeman, very bad man, he will hurt you. My friend said listen, smell the condom if you want, our deal was not NOT include her ass, and besides that, she was not that good!
Security then thanked my friend for signing her in and assures him that she will never step in this hotel again, and they apoligized on her behalf. She then demanded 50 Reals for taxi even though she said she lived around the corner! What a C---!!!!!!! he threw 50reals at her and 20 US each at the security guys for being so helpful, and they all left.
This C--- is named Dimanio (real name). Dark long black straight hair, dark eyes. Light skin, but with an Arabian look, beautiful skin, at least an 8 on the mongor scale, and 23 YO. She had phone numbers of other guys written on her arms in ink pen, and those were used as her negotiating tool to keep price up. She said everybody wants her.
The ratio was maybe 6 c---s to every swinging dick, no reason for high prices.
I also heard the same night in the Marriot, a psycho, very young C--- from help, got crazy and broke a lamp and tried to slit her wrists.
I still love help, but this is getting pretty crazy. I recommend the technique of jerking off before you go so those beautiful asses do not take away your objectivity, but then again, I a such a horny bastard it probably would not affect me or some of my friends any way..haha
Carefull out there guys, this dude was armed with a ton of info, a good hotel, and a pretty muscular build with a take no shit personality. Who knows what would have happened to a lesser mongorer.
Latina Addict
Deviant Freak
07-20-04, 04:13
TJ Fannatic,
I was in Termas Copacabana a couple of years ago and it was pretty dismal. There were only a few girls working, and though they were very young, they were neither attractive nor especially social. The facilities were a few steps below Monte Carlo or L'uomo, or any of the other popular ones for that matter. It would take a serious case of blueballs to justify a trip to Termas Copacabana.
That said, I would say that I felt *completely* safe in all of the termas, including Copa. The vast majority of guys who end up in dangerous situations are those who disregard basic common sense on the street -- walking in dark empty areas, flashing valuables, buying drugs, etc.
If you're really nervous, it's very easy to meet other travelers while you're there and travel around in groups. Spend an hour at Meia Pataca and you'll meet plenty of people.
Charm City Dave
07-20-04, 04:36
Thanks for the post Latina Addict. Two lessons.
1) Never take those cabs in front of help
2) It's always better to stay in a hotel.
Yada Yada Yada.
Fartknocker
07-20-04, 04:42
Tbuss,
Brazil is a huge country. Costa Rica would rattle around in it like a pebble in a tin can. It is absolutely impossible for gringo mongers to screw up the market for pussy by overpaying. The only thing they will screw up is all the gringo clip joints in Rio.
I'll give you an example. I spent four months this last year in Cabo Frio. This is a fairly popular little beach town about 2 1/2 hours from Rio -- practically in the shadow of the Beast. Most of the 20-something women I scored with had NEVER met an American before in their entire lives!
Another example: I met a Brazilian girl living in the States from Goiania -- a city way in the interior, well away from Rio and SP. Before she came to the US, she had never met ANY foreigner in her life, and neither had any of her friends.
So how the hell are foreign mongers going to screw up the price of ass in Brazil when there are virtually NO foreign mongers in the vast majority of Brazil?
When the prices at HELP start to get outrageous, take the following steps:
1) Get the hell away from HELP
2) Go to a Terma -- their prices are fixed, regardless of your nationality or language ability
3) Use escorts -- they cater to Brazilian men, so the prices can't possibly get inflated or they go out of business
4) Get away from Rio and SP. Half the hookers in Rio/SP started out somewhere else. Catch 'em before they figure out they can go the gringo clubs in Rio and sell their asses for 3x what they are worth.
Lover Boy #2
07-20-04, 08:19
Floyd,
Forget abouddddit. R 290 is not the entrance fee at Centaurus. It is the total for the entire program with one girl. It includes the entrance with tourist tax, the room and the worker fee. A lot of guys figure the extra R 60 or so is worth it for the quality at Centaurus. Yes, they do collect the entire amount upfront. You must have misunderstood something.
Young & Restless
07-20-04, 09:59
Floyd,
Excellent report in the Sao Paulo section! While you were in Rio, are you sure they told you at Centauros that R$ 290 was just the entrance fee? When I was there, that also included 45 mins. with a garota.
Also, do you happen to remember the name of that mall that L'Uomos is in (I think it is Rio Shopping, but I'm not sure)? If I had known the name of that mall, L'Uomos would have been easier to find. I would not rate this place as an upscale terma though. IMHO, to me it seems a little cheap, but the lower prices makes it a good place to go and plus there are some cuties there (better than Monte Carlos, I think).
Too bad you couldn't go to Solarium. For about the same price as a regular session at Centauros (I still think it's R$ 290). You could have gotten that jacuzzis room that you were wanting (it actually may cost more like R$ 310). Solarium has an excellent selection of garotas and they usually get really excited when you tell them that you want the jacuzzis room!
Y & R
Loumo official address is.
L’oumos: Rua Siqueira Campos, 143. http://www.luomo.com.br/
The name of the mall is "shopping centre copacabana", next to the Metro.
Other termas of interest in Rio:
Solarium, Rua JJ Seabra, 21, Jardim Botanica. http://www.solarium.com.br/
Monte Carlo: Rua Hilario De Gouveia, 19. Close to Av Atlantica.
Barberello. Rua Ministro Vivieros, De Castro, 24. Towards Leme end of Copa
Centaraus: Rua Caning 44, Cnr Rua Raihha Elizabeth, Ipanema . On some maps Rua Caning does not appear as it is relatively small, no problem look for Rua Railhha Elizabeth and you can’t miss it. On the border of Copa and Ipanema.
Quatro X Quatro, (4x4) Rua Buenos Aires 44, centro
Termas 65 Rua do Rosario, 65, Centro http://www.termas65.com.br/index.asp
Termas Aeroporto 216-C Beira Mar Av.
Rio Antigo Joaquim Silva, 2, in the Gloria http://www.termasrioantigo.com.br/
King of Rio
07-20-04, 17:30
Young and restless,
The mall is known as "shopping siqueira campos"
Sunset Strip
07-20-04, 19:39
Thanks D. Freak,
I think I will try out Thermas Copacabana just to see what it is like.
It sounds like Floyd Dylan was just in it recently and it has not changes much since your time there (lower end arrangements).
TJ
Cash Works
07-20-04, 20:28
Tbuss,
I have to agree with Fartknocker, but I haven't been to Brasil in a number of years, so feel free to ignore my post, due to out dated information.
Those who over pay, for whatever reason, may affect the local garotas starting price, but all those who know that price is too much just need to laugh at her and she'll either lower her price to something more reasonable or she won't - in which case, you find a different garota. If all the garotas in one location (Help, for instance) try to play hardball, go someplace else. Brasil is full of willing women - pro and non-pro - and ALL the Garotas know this.
Rio has always been over priced, but this business of Rio garotas asking for $200 USD (or more) for all night is not new, they've been trying that with people, who they think don't know better, for at least 20 years now. Some time ago (February?), I wrote a report in this thread about an experience in 1988 with a garota from Franks bar who started (as I recall) at USD $150 I just laughed at her and after many negotiations and much laughing on my part, she wound up taking what cash I had (definitely less than USD $50) and with that money she had to pay my rather large bar tab, pay for a taxi to a motel, pay for the motel and then she had to pay for the taxi back to my hotel. If there was anything left, she kept it as her fee. To my amazement, she counted the money, talked to the bar tender, counted the money again, crunched some numbers in her head, then said "OK". To top all that, on the way back to my hotel in the morning, she told the cab driver all about our negotiations and said that if I ever came back, she would be happy to go with me for the same price!
He who cares the least wins! With that garota, I really didn't care if I wound up with her or not. She was definitely a hottie, but I was very drunk and the ratio of garotas to mongers that night was something like 5 or 6 to 1.
CW
Re: Termas L'uomo (please get the name right, gentlemen!), and notes on other termas:
Thank you, Bubba Boy, for posting all that valuable information to help your fellow mongers. However, let me make some minor corrections in what you just said about Termas L'uomo. First, note the correct spelling above. And you are right, Rua Sigueira Campos, 143, is the correct address. However, the shopping mall in which it is located is better known as "praca das antiguidades," or just "antiguidades," since most of the shops there deal in antiques. If you tell a taxi driver "praca das antiguidades," (if you don't know Portuguese, it's pronounced "PRAH-sah dahz ahn-chee-gee-DAH-deez"), he'll know exactly where to take you. If you call it "shopping center copacabana," chances are he won't know what you're talking about. It's a huge mall, spanning a full city block, so it fronts on both Rua Sigueira Campos and Rua Figueiredo de Magalhaes. Rua F de M is one way going away from Av. Atlantica and Rua SC is one way going in the opposite direction, so if you're taking a taxi from Atlantica, you can save a slight amount on cab fare by having the driver let you off on the F de M side and walking through the mall to the other side.
L'uomo is a little hard to find the first time you're there. It's on the second level on the Sigueira Campos side, overlooking the street. Just take the escalator to the second level, walk toward the street, turn right when you've walked as far as you can go, and you'll see a small neon sign, and you're right there.
To this day, L'uomo remains my favorite termas, precisely because it is smaller than some of the others. The staff is friendly, some of the people at the front speak English, the quality of the garotas is generally high, the prices are reasonable, and you don't have to wait forever for a room as you sometimes do at Centaurus. Moreover, you'll nearly always have a GFE with these girls.
A hint: you won't regret it if you ask for a "super suite" (pronounced "soo-pair SWEE-chee") when you pick a girl. There are 3 classes or rooms; in ascending order of quality, they are "cabine (cah-BEE-nee)," which is very tiny with a very narrow cot barely wide enough for you and the girl to lie side by side, no bathroom, which you can book for only 40 minutes--this should be used only if you're in a hurry and looking for a quick suck and fuck, not a GFE ; "suite (SWEE-chee)," which is slightly larger than a cabine and has a bathroom and a considerably larger bed, large enough to lie side by side and have a GFE, and which you book for a full hour; and the aforementioned "super suite." A "super suite" doesn't cost a whole lot more than a "suite," but it is a world away in quality. The super suite has a large circular bed, large enough to engage in all your fantasies, a light switch enabling you to control the level of light, and a large bathroom with a shower, large enough for both of you to use at the same time. I regret to say that I don't recall the exact price structure, but if my memory serves me correctly, an excursion to L'uomo including entrance fee and taking one girl to a super suite shouldn't cost much more than US$100, if that. (Sorry, guys, but I really don't feel like going through my old credit card bills right now to get the exact prices. I'll be sure to make a note of it next time I go. Maybe someone else could give the current prices for all 3 types of room, and the entrance fee.)
Of course, who can stop at just one? Garotas are like potato chips or peanuts; can you eat just one chip and stop? I doubt it. The best thing to do, after you shoot your load, is to go to the "relax (hay-LAHSH)" room, an area with beach type lounge chairs and a TV. There you can order a drink and compose yourself for the next session. Usually some garotas on the prowl will absent themselves from the crowded bar area and pop into the relax room, obviously looking for business. These girls know that you've more than likely just popped your wad, so they might be a little more aggressive than girls in the bar area, just to get you stimulated. If a girl comes over to you and you find her attractive, let her sit down. Chances are she'll stick her tongue in your mouth, then reach under your robe and start stroking your johnson, and will probably succeed in getting you hard. I've never had the will power to resist booking her right then and there, even if I didn't find her all that attractive; it's hard to argue against a hard on. So what I've learned from this is not to let her even sit down if I'm not really attracted to her, since I'd rather save my load for someone who'll really make me explode.
Another hint: nearly all the girls at L'uomo will French kiss, allow DATY, give BBBJ and CFS in any position. Some will allow anal, which doesn't interest me. I've been going there nearly 5 years and have had about 30 girls there. Twice, however, I've had girls refuse to give BBBJ and insisted on putting a condom on before they started sucking. One of them told me this is now house policy; whether this is true or not I don't know, but I doubt it. For me, BBBJ is essential for a satisfying sexual experience. So I've learned, before I book a girl, to ask her directly if she'll give head without a condom. BJ in Portuguese is "beijinho (bay-ZHEE-nyo),"
and condom can be the same as in English, or "camisinha (cahm-ee-SEE-nya)," so the question to ask is "Voce da beijinho sem condom?" or "sem camisinha?" If she says no, walk away. Chances are, rather than lose the "sale" she'll agree, since BBBJs are nearly universal in Brazil.
I have a question for those who have used L'uomo recently (my last time there was 2003, but I'll be going next month). I read in another post that there are separate charges for the girl and for the room, and that the charge for the girl can't be put on a credit card. Is this really true? Because if it is, it represents a major price restructuring. They used to charge just for the room, and of course they took care of paying for the girl out of the room charge, and everything could be put on a card. If this is true, it represents an ominous trend, because once there is a separate price for the girl, it opens the door to her becoming an independent contractor and setting her own price, and also to tipping. This is exactly what happened to the brothels in Nevada, which used to be a bargain basement sexual paradise, like Rio is today, but which is now a place where prices are ludicrously exorbitant. I must remind myself, however, that most of the patrons of the termas are Brazilian men who aren't chumps like Americans and won't allow something like that to happen. I'll post my impressions next time I go there.
It's a little harder for me to get to termas now, because I have a Brazilian GF, herself a former GDP that I met at L'uomo who is now a schoolteacher, that I live with when I'm in Rio. I'll be there for 3 months starting August 4, so I'll find a way to slip out and get to the Termas. She occasionally arranges threesomes with her, me, and one of three of her girlfriends, all of them current or former GDPs. A lot of guys would no doubt say, who could ask for anything more? What can I say, guys? Men are just dogs by nature, or at least this man is. I'll always be looking for fresh pussy, and I love the atmosphere of the termas, although I could do without some of the loud music. I don't know whether there is an afterlife, but if there is, I want heaven to be like a termas that goes on forever. I would just replace the loud rock music with Beethoven or Mozart, and have a Chinese food buffet on the side. Then heaven would truly be worth longing for.
But I digress. Other first rate termas are Monte Carlo and Solarium, both of which have high quality garotas and good service, and are under the same ownership. However, they are both much larger and tend to be crowded during prime hours, so there is often a wait for a room. I'll write about these two places another time. Note that it's best to avoid Solarium on couples nights, which are Wednesdays and Sundays. On those days, many Brazilian men come there with their wives looking for a girl for a threesome, so it gets rather crowded. I have heard very good things about Rio Antigo from secondhand sources, but I can't vouch for it personally. If you are staying at the Hotel Gloria or will be spending a lot of time in Centro, Rio Antigo should be a lot more convenient than the places in Zona Sul.
I think Centaurus is best avoided altogether, for a number of reasons, although I guess everyone should experience it once. Although it's true that Centaurus has the highest quality girls--nearly all are young and rate as 9 or 10--the prices sometimes double the other termas, where the girls are often just as fine. Moreover, Centaurus is nearly always crowded, and there is often a long wait for a room. I've gotten blue balls lusting for a chick I've already picked who is teasing me by reaching under my robe and rubbing my balls and stroking my erect cock, all while we keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a room. This forces me to start visualizing rotting corpses or something like that to dampen my libido until we actually get to the room and start getting it on. Oh well, at least this buildup leads to the best and most volcanic orgasms. When I finally get to shoot my load I probably emit a bellow that sounds like Lex Barker doing his Tarzan yell and that can probably be heard in Buenos Aires. But I try to minimize the amount of frustration in my life, so I avoid Centaurus. YMMV.
One final correction to Bubba Boy's note. Barbarella (not Barbarello) is not a termas. It is a boite or boate (either term is correct), i.e., a nightclub where there is a cover and minimum, and after 10 or 11pm, a floorshow. Men go there alone, and all the women there are GDPs. You'll usually see each one sitting alone at a table, so if you see one you're attracted to, just go over and ask if you can sit down, or just gesture if you don't know Portuguese. Often a girl will come to your table and ask to sit down. However, there's no place to fuck the girl there; you'll have to take her out. All the girls at Barbarella are high quality, 9 or 10, and they'll usually ask for top dollar, e.g., starting at US$200, and not for all night, just for one screw. Use your judgment as to what you want to pay, but there's always room for negotiation. Always, always, always set the price before you leave; you don't need surprises when you get to the bedroom.
A couple of caveats if you take a girl out of Barbarella. 1) Don't take one of the taxis waiting outside, even if the girl insists. These drivers will always refuse to turn the meter on, then charge you a high price when you get to where you're going. In other words, a ripoff. Your best bet is just to walk down to Avenida Princesa Isabel and flag down a taxi. 2) If you can't take the girl back to your hotel, never go to a motel that she suggests. They will rip you off. I'm speaking from experience. The first time I was in Rio, I picked up a girl at Barbarella, took a taxi in front and got ripped off, went to the motel she suggested in Copacabana, and when it came time to leave was presented with a bil for about US$150, just for an hour and a half at the most. Boy, did I learn that lesson fast! If you need a place to go, tell the driver to take you to Shalimar or Sinless on Avenida Niemeyer. Both are very high quality motels that are reasonably priced. I recall staying there for 2-3 hours and paying less that US$50. The rooms are super, tri-level, huge bed with a mirrored ceiling, with a jacuzzi on the roof. Perfect for a GFE on a moonlit night, or for sunbathing in the daytime. 3) Since you probably won't be getting a girl from Barbarella cheap, bargain for keeping her all night; why settle for just one fuck when you can get 2 or 3. Use the words "toda a noite (TOO-da ah NOY-chee)" or "ate amanha (ah-TAY ah-muh-NYAH)" when you're doing your bargaining. You can do your sleeping tomorrow. Six hours at Shalimar or Sinless should only cost US$60-75. Again, I'll check the prices next time I go.
One final thought: I've never especially been an admirer of Donald Trump, but I've always taken to heart something he said in his book, "The Art of the Deal"--"never enter into a negotiation you're not willing to walk away from." This is good advice, and it's nowhere more appropriate than it is with mongering. Don't forget who's paying, so you call the shots.
Good mongering, everybody!
Lorenzo
Can anyone give me detailed pricing on Rio. I've read through a lot of reports but there is very little pricing information and most of the prices are really high like 200-300 Reais ($70-100) which is unaffordable to me. I'm coming from Buenos Aires where the average prices are more like $20-$50. Where do all of the Brazillian men go for prostitution that are paying much lower prices as in Buenos Aires?
Rio is a gigantic city and I'm sure there is far much more to the scene than Copocabana and Ipanema. Specifically I'm thinking of the urban neighborhoods along bay north of the center. Has anyone not explored outside of the tourist circuit?
Fartknocker,
I know that the nether regions won't get spoiled unless Americans start going there, but I like Rio and I like Help. I don't see why a good thing has to be ruined. Besides that, once the prices go up to high at Help (which they are), American mongers will start hitting other places in Rio and pay/tip too much at those places and you'll have the same effect at these places. Then all of Rio will be priced out with obnoxious, spoiled girls giving bad service. I don't want to have to go to back woods Brazil not to have to pay close to American prices and get "American" style service. I'm sure the overt-payers and over-tippers will continue to do their thing and ruin a good thing, my only question is why?
I never understood why so many people hate or wont go in Centauras. My first time there I had a wonderful time and picked an ego driven super nice garota. She (cant remember her name) was shapely, well proportioned and pretty. The garota was possibly the most accomodating women i've ever met.
After getting me in the cabine and stripping me naked and checking out my dick she informed me that I could do anything that I wanted to her(how nice).
She patiently took her time to kiss my balls and dick and made me feel great. After getting me all worked up she then nuzzled her little nose between my leg and balls and tells me in her best english that she loves the smell of my sexuality ( Does anybody think this is a good time to start complaining about the high prices and grumpy management). She started using my dick to beat her tits and showing/encouraging me to start smacking her face with my dick. I'm like thinking THANK GOD that I just got laid this morning so I have some control. Oh yea, and that cute little grin and sinister giggling as I'm smacking my dick across her face OH MY GOD.
Well, after fucking for a while, different positions etc..she pulled me out and TOLD me to fuck her in the ass. My dick was rock hard and i was in complete control of not losing it early. I entered her slowly because she was tighter than other woman i've had but it all seemed to fit perfectly. We developed a perfect rythmic, symbiotic long stroking action which was simply blowing my mind. After a period of time (not just a few minutes) I couldnt believe she could handle all this but she was a trooper, probably more into it than me if possible. At one point I step up the pace and start doing it shorter and quicker strokes but actually just hanging on to her hips for fear of losing my senses and equilibrium and possibly falling off the bed. Ive never seen so much action since i was a little kid at Barnum and Baileys 3 ring circus. She had one shoulder pinned to the mattress, the other one up, legs interlocking for better rocking action, checking me in the mirror but also cranking her head around like an owl, bucking her ass up against my hip flexors, making gutteral sounds from the base of her stomach and lungs. Then, all of a sudden, 4 fingers up her gash and OH MY GOD Ive never felt anything like this. She senses my gushing orgasm and starts milking my dick by contracting her sphincter muscles like some women can do with their pussy. The feeling is so good I almost need to stop but i keep going because i've never felt anything like this before. I have no strength left, and collapse my 200+ lb body down on her, pinning her to the mattress. I'm sucking wind, seeing stars etc. and then when I gather my senses i see that she is also on the verge of fainting and tells me she could barely handle it too (with a big tired grin on her face). We spend the rest of the hour holding each others sweaty bodies, sucking wind and teasing each other with fantasy phone calls to the paramedics to bring us oxygen and defibullator paddles.
OOPS! Sorry to go off in such a long winded rampage but WTF.
I read about so many people that wont go in Centauras because theyre rude and expensive (the gringo prices),but i figure WTF.
I figure if not many Americans go to this place then maybe all the better for me, at least that day it was. I have been back to Centauras and service was more ordinary and comparable to the other popular termas, but like i say WTF- if I never went.
All in all, what can I say. The best time in my life for a $100 bill, big deal.
And of course, always remember (YMMV).
Good Info Lorenzo, I apoligize for the error of putting in Barbarella as a terma. I simply cut and pasted the addresses from my own personal address file for Rio and hence it slipped in. I posted the addresses because the first time I went to Rio I found it difficult to find all the places mentioned on these boards, and lost valuable terma time in locating them. One day I will get around to organising this file and post it somewhere in its entirety, I don't think it would fit here as it would be over 50 pages, maybe a summarised version.
In regards to L'oumo these days, all money is still paid on the way out, there is no negotiation with the girls on the inside about cash, which is something I like better than the termas in Sampa. The management does break the bill down and the part which is the girl fee has to be paid in cash, if you get stuck with no cash you can usually work this out although you will feel a bit silly as when you walk in the receptionist will very cleary state all prices and the cash factor.
Entrance is R50 (reduced to R30 if you fuck a girl), Cabine for 40minutes R50, Girl fee for 40 minutes R120. One hour rate, which you get a slightly better room with shower, Room R70, Girl R150. The super suite is only an additional R20 from memory (but don't quote me) and in my opinion a bit noisy as it is the first room next to the dance fllor. Drinks are reasonable, about R5 for a beer and R10 for cocktails.
The prices are very similar if not identical at Solarium or Monte Carlo. The big centro termas (4x4 & T65) are probably 25% less than L'oumo prices. Centauraus is probably at least 50% more than L'oumo prices and you get nothing more for your money, IMHO, this is why people grumble about the place and the fact that everything is more pressurised there.
I am back in Rio August 5, the time goes so slow when you are counting down the days to TERMA TIME!
Lorenzo:
Sorry to report, but it's true regarding the seperate charges for the room and the girl. Termas Monte Carlo and 4x4 also do this. I'm not 100 % positive if Solarium also does it.
I, like you, also have a Brasilian GF, and will get away when i can and visit some termas. woof, woof!!
Bazinga:
The problem I had with the Centaurus garotas, one who looked like Britnney Spears Brazilian cousin, was the ordinary, lackluster sex in the suite. In the Boate, they were all lovey dovey, and very flirtatious. Yes, most of these garotas are very attractive. And these Garotas REALLY know how to get a guy going. But once in the suite I was let down. I even had one garota turn me down because I didn't want to do a dupla with her friend, (the friend wasn't that attractive.) I've spent less in other Termas and had a much better time: For what I spent on one Centaurus Garota, I coulda had a dupla at another termas. But like you said YMMV.
Havrum:
You're going to have to go where the locals go. Look at D freaks post below about Termas Copacabana.
You'll find the quality of the garotas is lower: They're older, not as fit. You may get lucky and find a diamond in the rough. The facilities in these places will not be the best. The best part about these places: expect to pay R1 a min. These places are everywhere. You won't find many gringos in them. Also don't expect hear english in theses places.
I will be in Rio this friday 7/23, 2 week stay :D
Papi Muy Rico
07-21-04, 07:30
If somebody is kind enough to explain some terms used very frequently in here. I have desciphered some of them but not sure if i am right:
YMMV
GDP and its variants
DATY
BBBJ and its variants
CFS
GFE: gril friend experience
Are there more?
Thanks in advance
Respin05,
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary, i.e., your experience may be different from mine, or to each his own.
GDP = Garota de programa. Used only in Brazil, it means a working girl, i.e., a prostitute. Working girls say among themselves that another working girls is 'no programa," i.e., "in the program."
DATY = dining at the Y, i.e., eating pussy.
BBBJ = bareback blow job, i.e., oral sex without a condom.
CFS = covered full service, i.e., penile-vaginal intercourse with a condom.
GFE = girl friend experience. Really now, what that means is something you should be able to figure out for yourself.
Yes, there are more. All of these except GDP are explained under 'Terms & Abbreviations,' which you can click at the top of the screen.
Lorenzo
Young & Restless
07-21-04, 12:57
Respin,
Look to the left of your screen and click on Forum Abbreviations...
Y & R
Lorenzo,
I was in Barbarella last November and I didn't have such a bad experience there. First of all, I didn't find all of them 9 or 10 but the average was definitely better then in the Help.
Anyway, I got there and was seated by a waiter. They asked me what I wanted to drink and I ordered a caipirinha. Not much later a girl came up to me and started to chat me up and asked if I wanted to go with her. First she asked me 300 reais but I countered and got her down to 250 reais. I didn't really like her so I didn't take her with me. A friend of mine met another girl there and wanted to meet her outside but she refused being from Sao Paulo and new to Rio. She was afraid to go outside alone.
Soon after that we left en paid 110 reais for 2 drinks and cover. The waiter told me that if you take a girl with you, you have to pay another 50 reais but you can ask the girl to meet you outside.
All in all, I didn't have such a bad experience there alhough I didn't take a girl with me but you pay 50 reais entrance plus drinks (don't know how many but at least one). I got a few quotes from the girls but you can easily get a girl there for 250 reais all night. Ok, I didn't get a quote from the 9 or 10's so I don't know how much they ask. I guess you're a bit more edgy in Barbarella then in the Help because you're more in control in the Help on the other hand its more relaxed there (since the whole world goes to the Help these days) and better girls.
Next time I'm in Rio I am definitely going back there and I don't really understand why not more guys goto Barbarella and report about it.
Happy mongering,
Raj72
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Papi Muy Rico
07-21-04, 17:22
Thanks Y&R!
I am enlightened!
Respin,
YMMV=your mileage may vary. it is from the old car commercials that advertised on tv. EXAMPLE= 30 mpg highway 24 mpg city with the disclaimer that "your mileage may vary" depending on your personal driving habits. LOL.
GDP=garota de programma
DATY=dining at the Y, or eating pussy
BBBJ=bare back blow job or no condom
CFS=condom or covered full sex
and yes there are more.
Chingon,
Ive had fantastic sex in most termas and fair sex in most termas and ive found that nothing is written in stone. Theres probably alot to be said about presentation, flirting, chemistry etc. The problem is you never know what you're gonna get until you get in bed and sometimes then its too late.
The terma girls in my opinion sometimes have large bundas and i like small bundas so my choice is based on the size of the bunda 1st, then looks, attitude etc. hey what can I say I'm an ass man.
The girl I wrote about yesterday didnt have a small bunda but it was the smallest bunda in Centauras (some of them are large) and I got lucky with her.
Ive also had similar experiences of tired and bored girls that barely go thru the motions at most of the termas. I guess i just forget about those experiences and dwell on the fantastic experiences.
The reason that I started going to Centauras was because I was wearing out M/C, L'oumo, Solarium etc. The girls get terrortorial, jealous etc. and I want variety, different girls etc. and I want my vacation to go my way, so sometimes there are problems.
Maybe on my next vacation i will use the escort services. They seem to be cheaper and ill explain to the guy that i want a new slender girl every day and see what happens. I know you can turn away girls with taxi money.
I was wondering, Has anybody stayed in a hotel (if so, WHICH HOTEL?) and just ordered escorts, maybe 1 or 2 a day every day for a week or 2? Ive stayed at the Meridian, The Debret and The Apoadoar and currently the Apoadoar is the only one that is guest friendly. I'm just not sure how guest friendly they are when I start pulling in 1 or 2 girls per day. Last time I was at this hotel, I was the only monger there. I never saw anybody bringing girls back to the hotel, which means I stood out like a sore thumb. I'm not saying they had a problem with me bring girls back but there'd be 4 guys behind the counter emotionless, not smiling or encouraging me in anyway and after 14 days of dealing with the "walk of shame" I'm wondering if there's an easier way.
Are there any hotels that have clean, decent rooms with American type comfortable mattresses etc. that LOVE to see or encourage you to bring the girls back? it just might make me feel more comfortable.
PS. No I dont think I want an apt. with no safe, no clean towels, no real security, and a thin mattress which I'll hate.
Any help is appreciated!
Later GUYS!
GDP is not on the list but it is Garota De Programa a.k.a., a girl on the program a.k.a. girl for hire
Anyone know of a tour guide that goes to Rio? I thought I saw a post in the past where someone took one from Florida. I'm from Michigan and don't speak the language. I want to head down in November or Dec 04., and would like some help/advise. I'm open to any advise that can be given. I've done Thialand and had a blast, want to try something new and its btwn Rio and the D.R. Thanks for any and all help.
Patrol2
Papi Muy Rico
07-22-04, 11:20
"Anyone know of a tour guide that goes to Rio? I thought I saw a post in the past where someone took one from Florida. I'm from Michigan and don't speak the language. I want to head down in November or Dec 04., and would like some help/advise. I'm open to any advise that can be given. I've done Thialand and had a blast, want to try something new and its btwn Rio and the D.R. Thanks for any and all help"
Patrolman:
Let me see if I understood you correctly:
You want one of the following:
1. A guide who accompany you from the US?
Or
2. Just need advice and/or help?
Ok, if you just need advice or help this forum is very helpful. You will find tons of info about everything: mongering places, hotels attributes and prices, where to stay, where to sightsee, safety tips ( very important!!!!), transportation, what to bring, how to dress, etc, etc . Pretty complete info indeed.
If you add a good guide book such as Lonely Planet or other reputable travel series, you have a pretty complete set of tools to have a great vacation not only in Rio but in the whole country as well. Information is pretty much the most powerful tool needed to have a wonderful vacation.
But…there is also another ingredient needed to have a great and safe vacation in Brazil. This is a country particularly dangerous and Rio ( and SP) is pretty much the most dangerous place for the careless tourist (even worst for the careless monger). Rio is, along with Medellin, Colombia, and another city I don’t remember now, the most dangerous city in the world with the highest homicide rate. Even though crime usually won’t affect the average tourist, a careless traveler might get in deep shit really quick.
The ingredient I am talking about is knoweldge!…experience!
The safety aspect is where the experience of a guide (or a travelling companion) comes handy. A guide (or fellow monger ) with experience in Rio will keep you safe and away from trouble. There are numerous dangers that come with mongering: being robbed, drugged or both, even the worst!!. Mean garotas are searching for easy prey to rob in Help and many other places. If you read the forum you will find many histories of what I am talking about. This doesn’t mean you should not go to Rio, please go… but you have to be alert first, and then…relax and have a great time!
I have been in Rio six times since 1996. Only twice I have had companions but I have done quite well overall. But also I have had my pitfalls:
In 2000 I got drunk in Help and I was “picked up” by this garota who aggressively kept all other girls away from me. At the time I was flattered that a girl would “ want” me that bad. Stupid me I did not see this one coming. I took her to my hotel and I passed out. While sleeping she took all my wallet money (more than $100), found the safe key and took another $200.
Even though we agreed that she would stay all night, as soon as she had the money she took off. The next day I had to catch a flight to Salvador in the morning and did not have time or the desire to try to catch her: you know calling the cops, opening an investigation, etc. She ( very smart move!!!!) did not take ALL the money because in that case I would have stirred a major scandal. By leaving some money it would be very difficult to prove the amount of money I had. So I decided to just accept the fact and learn from my stupidity. The garota ( I usually see her every time I go to Help!!!) did not even had to drug me! I was so drunk! I made her job easier!
Another time in Manaus I left a borrowed cellular inside my borrowed car in front of Remulos. I thought it was well hidden but when I came back it was gone. I thought the flanelinhas would watch after the car and its content!!!! Duh…Stupid me again!! Result. Of course when I came back to the car no flanelinhas in sight… I bought a replacement for $120.
I don’t want to mention the times I have been ripped off by hotels, taxis, motels, etc,etc.
The point of all this blah…blah…blah is: Experience only comes pretty much from experience. It is really difficult to put a price on it. You learn from your mistakes…And when you are travelling alone…chances are that you are going to do some stupid things or let your guard down: be it overspending or getting ripped off by a GDP. This does not ( or would be a lot more difficult) happen if you are travelling with a guide or experienced companion.
As I said, I have been 6 times to Brasil (9 times in Rio) and been thru 5 carnavals. I have spent more than $15k in my trips. The experience I have has not come cheap. On the contrary, it has been very expensive. But now I have all the experience and travel skills to go around safely and cheaply.
Additional pluses that came from experience:
In my first trip I paid $900 in a round trip, today I spend no more than $560 ( and in high season) for the same. I used to pay more than $100 per night at the hotel, today I spend no more than $60 ( yes in high season too).
I live in Miami. In the near future I expect to start doing some business with my best friend who lives in Manaus. I am expecting to travel every 2-3 months there. I usually make a stopover in Rio. I love The Cidade Maravilhosa and I am always looking for travel companions to look after each other when mongering. As they say there is safety in numbers. In February of this year I took 3 friends to Carnaval, we went to Rio, Recife and Salvador. We had a blast , they love it, and were very happy to have a “guide” who knew the places, spoke the language and lead the troops in the mongering battle. They know now where is paradise.
I try to convince other friends to come down with me to Brazil but unfortunately most people here thinks that Brazil is only worth visiting during Carnaval. They don’t know better!!!
If you would like to have an experienced buddy travelling with you let me know. If someone in this forum wants a companion who speaks portuguese, show you around the city , take you to the mongering places, avoid the tourist traps, help you save money for hotels, transportation,etc, PM me.
I hope this insight is useful in deciding what you want to do.
Rod
everything is so centrally located that a tour guide is not necessary... don't worry about not speaking the language either. you can make you point easily enough......
Patrolman,
You have some time up your sleeve before you go so why not buy Pimsleur's Brazilian Portuguese 1? You will be able to speak rough portuguese by November, you certainly won't be fluent, but you will definitely have more fun fooling around with the girls and they will definitely appreciate the effort which equals more fun for you!
As Kenn said, you will get by with just English though.
Havrum, Info on cheaper places.
Here are a few places in Copacabana that run from about R
30 to R60 for 30 minutes. They are certainly not as clean as the higher end termas but I found them accepatable, just!. If you want more cheap places do a search for "brazilspecialist" on this board, he knows heaps of these little places, I even remember him mentioning a place that was R9.99 for 10 minutes in Centro!
Hilário de Gouveia 66, apt 1103 (Level11).
Praca Serzedelo Correia 15, room 1104,
Av North Copacabana 583, apt. 204. No need to take the elevator just walk up the stairs next to them.
Apt 202 is Copacabana terma, never been in there myself but apparently it is a bit of a dive. I think apt 203 is also in the game.
Rua Siqueira Campos, 22, enter from Hilário de Gouveia, you will see the blue entrance with a 2 on each side of the door. A bit more expensive than the rest but still not as expensive as Monte etc.
Patrolman2
nice nic
Tour Guides?!........you don't need NO stink'n tour guide!!
Especially if you've been to Thailand. That language is much more difficult to learn than Portuguese. Like Kenn said everything is centrally located. Go back and read / study previous posts here. Hook up with some guys here that are down there or will be there during your trip.
I'd also suggest going to amazon.com, and get "Portuguese in 10 min a day" book. what language skills you aquire will make your trip more enjoyable. And don't worry, the garotas all speak the universal language-$$$$$$ LOL
I'm in a happy mood, cus I arrive in Rio tomorrow. :)
Trip number 10 in 2 yrs. Will be going back again in late Oct. :D
Raj72,
Glad you had a good experience at Barbarella. I only went there once, and that was in 2000, so maybe I should give it another chance. My memory is that all the girls there are choice. However, the Barbarella experience should be good for variety. I'm especially glad you got a good price. Barbarella should be good for variety.
Bazinga,
In response to your question about having escorts come to your hotel: If you've stayed at the Meridien, then you can afford a top of the line hotel. The Meridien is my second favorite, after the Sheraton, and the Meridien is definitely not garota friendly. However, I have succeeded in bringing girls to my room there, and at the Sheraton, and the Caesar Park, although Caesar Park has since priced itself out of the market for me.
If you're going to be ordering escorts, your best bet would be to meet her in the lobby as if it is a business meeting, then have a drink at the bar or pretend to go to dinner in the hotel, then sneak her into your room. I suggest you read my post of 4/17/04 in the 'Rio de Janeiro-Hotels' section, where I wrote rather extensively on this subject. IMHO it could serve as a primer on getting girls into your room in a top notch hotel. To summarize its main points:
It's much, much easier to do in the daytime than at night, so juggle your calendar accordingly;
Do something to divert the staff's attention from you; if you take her directly from the lobby to the elevator, they'll most likely stop you. Go to the bar for a drink, or pretend to get on the elevator to go to the restaurant, then use your judgment as to when to bring her to the room. The Sheraton, which has many of its facilities on different levels, is ideal for this, and it's reasonably priced for a luxury hotel; you can probably get a room in the vicinity of $150 a night. (I even fucked one of the chambermaids there, right on the bed she had just made up, but that's another story.)
--Above all, make sure the girl is appropriately dressed. The top hotels are very image-conscious, so the last thing they want is girls entering there who look like prostitutes. This shouldn't be a problem with escorts, since they're pretty much told how to dress.
It's ideal if she could pass for a business acquaintance, or your sister-in-law.
--In short, be subtle, discreet, and don't call attention to yourself.
Good mongering!
Lorenzo
Latina Addict
07-25-04, 20:28
Mother daughter tag team alert:
A friend of mine, who BTW is a Centarous addict, was at Centarous on 24 July, in the afternoon, or posibly Friday, cannot remember which day, but I digress. He reports that there is an infuckingcredible 19 YO hard body that is named Paula. And guess what. She brought over to Mr., X, a pretty good looking "woman" that looked exactly like Paula and is reportedly her mother! Yes, one of the ultimate fanatsies, if your wallet can handle the 400 plus R it will cost you to check off this square. PLEASE guys, let us all know if this can be independantly confirmed.
Wow, we have identical twins in Rio, now this. Hmmm, maybe I will change my mongering city of choice from Baires and Santa Cruz Bolivia, to Rio. Hmmm, uuuummmm, well, maybe not seeing as I saw a body covered by a tarp on the way to the airport last night, and maybe 50 civil cops all with guns drawn. 2 miles west of GIG. But hey, nobody said Rio was without problems. Wow, what we do for the world's best pussy.
Latina addict, and damn proud of it.
Member #2329
07-26-04, 09:35
It seems that everyone's main concern is always: "What hotel should I use that are girl-friendly?"
Here is an idea: instead of spending US$60+ for people to look down upon your mongering habits, why not spend half of that and rent an apartment. You can get a huge place with great location (proximity to L'uomo, HELP, Ipanema & Copa) and privacy to bring in and out however many girls you want.
Take 5 minutes of your time to buy a Sunday paper while in RJ, or just search the internet.
Word of advice, do not use any of the agencies which rent out apartments because they are looking for gringos like us to sucker out of our money. Find a person who is renting out their own property and, if it is a guy: you can tell em straight up you are here to monger, and if it is a lady: you are here to study the culture in Brasil.
Try Galeria Atlantica, the building where Sindicato do Chopp is in Copacabana. Ask the portero, "Tem apartamentos aqui para alugar?" Last time I got one here for R$800 for an entire month- a room as big as in any hotel. Nice bed and bathroom for the price. Plus, because it is so affordable, most of the girls around Brasil coming to work at HELP on the programa live here. Close to all the action.
Hope this helps,
2329
part 1
gentlemen
i've went a couple of weeks ago, but have not had time to write this report. it's everything it's reported to be. it was full of 3 days of sun, sand, sea, samba, and sex. i definitely have something to put on my cv.
i want to thank sincerely the audience for their very useful posts. i found the reports in this forum to be extremely accurate and helpful in planning my trip. in return, to express my gratitude, i must say that among the best fucks i ever had, happened in rio. i hope this report will add to the information already contained in this wonderful peerless forum.
this report is divided in 3 parts…
introduction.
the beach.
help discotheque.
i didn't go to any thermas, i had all my action in these 2 places and quite frankly i didn't plan on running an open check book. sometimes you have to act with frugal aplomb, with an eye on the bottomline, else this hobby could fleece and wreck you financially. off course we won't want that would we?
special mention has to go to the "saint" of ba. this guy is numero uno in reporting, i am a big fan and we are lucky to have you and your amazing adventures and research skills on this board. i know you don't like amsterdam, but if ever your come down let me know, i'll buy you a beer.
first things first, make copies of both sides of your credit cards, bankcard, passport, driver's license, etc..... if i were to do it all again, i would probably want to have an american express credit card too - just in case. i had no trouble with my visa and mc, but if i had lost those, it would have been an interesting situation... i took both traveller's cheques and cash.
finally as a general rule in dealing with people negotiate and agree on prices in advance. know exactly what you're getting and what you're paying. if someone says "don't worry" you should worry.
where to start? rio, "a cidade maravilhosa"-"the city of marvels" it can be a grand place. from a geographical perspective, it is magnificent. sugar loaf, and corcadova overlooking vast sweeping beaches, a dark blue ocean and tranquil beautiful bays. from up on top of pao de azucar, a city of vibrancy and a backdrop of jungle-covered mountains it is truly spectacular. the topography of the city makes rio one of the most recognisable and unique cities in the world.
brazil has the potential to be an economic power alongside, russia, india and china. it has numerous natural resources, a vast labour force and population to support. but the cancer called corruption permeates the society and is easily seen when one gets closer to the ground. you begin to see the rio that is less than spectacular. a crumbling infrastructure, terrible poverty, old undistinguished buildings and a feeling of torpor that permeates the atmosphere. the stories you have heard about crime are not unfair.
having said that i have never seen a country with so many stunningly beautiful garotas (girls), and i do a fair amount of travelling. brazil was colonized by portugal. in the 16th century the jesuit successfully converted brazilians to catholicism. however the colonialists had other ideas and who enslaved and interbred the natives and brought in cheap labour from africa. the women also served other needs of the male colonialists.
also over the years waves of immigrants from italy, germany, portugal and japan (mainly in sao paolo) have come to brazil. mixed in with these are the blacks brought from africa and the native indians. there has been a lot of racial genetic mixing which have combined in ways to create a very diverse population.
the result is a female specimen that is wondrous, breathtaking and pseudo utopian. the good news is many of these are available. you will see every size and shade imaginable and the quality is extraordinary. the combinations are entrancing, and i found myself constantly gawping at the beauties walking by on the beach.
while prostitution in brazil is officially tolerated, pimping is outlawed. this ensures, that 99% of, the working ladies are independents. there is no red light district as in say amsterdam.
sexually speaking, these women are peerless. i have been with a fair bit of women from around the world, but none compare to the brazilian women. it is almost as if they are breaded to be sexual animals. they just seem to love the act. no hold bars. from the moment you enter your hotel room, they are all over you. they will give you head (without a condom) for as long as you like. they also expect you to be an animal too.
there's been some back and forth on the relative merits of rio vs. bangkok. i've been to both, so i'll add my two cents. imho, there's no comparison. it's apples and oranges. prices are much better in bangkok, and there are many beautiful women there, but the women of rio make love like they were born to do nothing else. in other words, the quality of the sex is vastly superior in rio.
the beautiful thing about rio is the sheer variety will cater to all tastes. you'll be surprised who different are tastes vary ethnicity round the world. where as in bangkok, you basically have a limited type physically and you can't just change at any whim to a mulatto with nice round bubble ass for example. it may cost more, but you get more bang for your buck.
the whole thing from beginning to end is almost always a fabulous experience. if you can get it up again they will go at it again. until you have been with a brazilian women, i think suffice to say have not experienced the sexual act, as it should be. i have never been with 3 at the same time. i am afraid it might kill me.
every *****monger i've met who's been to rio de janeiro, brazil keeps coming back for more. so i decided to go for a quick 3-day break. days are spent in the sidewalk cafes sipping your favourite cocktail or on the beaches watching the women in their very scantly clad bikinis. nights are spent going to clubs or to discos and watching the women in their sexy attire cavorting their booties.
from a personality perspective, again a generalisation, but i have found most of them to be genuinely friendly very warm, affectionate, and outgoing. nobody's in a hurry, and most of the hookers are quite content to hang around with you all evening, even after they've been paid.
chicas is available 24 hours a day and reasonably priced. most of the useful information price wise already appears on this forum, so rather than giving a blow-by-blow account of prices and my negotiation tactics, i'll stick to the adventure in detail as well as trying to fill in some gaps and offer some corrections.
the pussy flows like water. i cannot describe it, but you must see it if you are to be considered a true sex fiend. i personally did 3 girls in 3 days and spent less than usd $400.00 total. the jet lag from london definitely to it's toll. you can leave your hotel at midnight, go to help disco and be back in your room an hour later with top of the shelf chicas within the realm of any standard or taste.
one thing you must be careful about with these girls- they're known to be quite defensive about their income and "boyfriend". they can be a bit nasty if you hit on, or are approached by, another girl while they think they are "with you". also, some can be subtly "pushy"
another thing in rio - try not to pay up front. don't spoil the culture and the sex - sex is much better when not paid for up front - the girl has an incentive - that's why professional sex in england is so terrible and such a rip-off - guys haven't stood their ground and demanded service before payment, and that's why we're writing here and travelling the world looking for some decent sex.
there was once, when a girl demanded payment upfront. i culled her bluff and refused and told her that she could leave. off course she stayed and off course i won't have allowed that garota escape me bedding her. i just feel a woman has more motivation if she has not been paid. the brazilian women may not need it, but why take a chance. it's not like a plan to cheat them.
another no no - never and i mean never please! never give the girl her asking price (this is different of course in the termas or massage parlours) at help or on the street - at least always try to bargain, be firm, and they will follow if you're nice to them and smile, tell them they are bonita (beautiful), etc... offer a drink, beer, whatever.
don't let your drink go unattended - have heard of stories of things being slipped in to drinks. one thing no matter what price is agreed on the woman will give it all she has.
never put valuables in your back pockets. put $$/ccards in front pocket only. wear shorts/trousers with deep pockets or buttoned pockets. when buying anything, never pull out your entire wallet showing all your credit cards and how much money you have. instead, don't carry a wallet. carry raw cash folded in your pocket just like drug dealers do and learn how to "feel" how many bills you have. then, you can only pull out just a little bit without pulling out a wad.
don't tuck in your shirt. instead, wear it outside hanging over your pockets so it makes it harder to get pick pocketed. don't wear a good watch or just take it off and leave it in your pocket. while walking at night, walk away from the buildings near the cars.
if you are worried about a bunch of guys hanging out, walk in the middle of the street or better yet, turn around and take another longer (but safer path!) while riding the buses, sit on the right side, last seat in back. this way, there is no one behind you. sometimes its good to sit on the right side way up in front too, next to the driver.
when confronted by a street hawker trying to sell you something, beware that there can be a kid ready to pickpocket you. instead, say "nao" and keep walking straight ahead. if you fail to do this and look at his products, all the other street hawkers will pick up on you as a gullible foreigner and all mob you and invite opportunity for a pickpocket. so, say a firm "nao" and walk ahead.
are you ready to rock and roll, hold tight gentlemen, let the fun begin.
whiz kid
PART 2
Gentlemen,
The beach - especially Copacabana. The stretch of the beach and its boardwalk is a real paradise. This is the best spot for daytime liaisons. You may ask how will I know which are available and which are just women on the beach. Just observe for a bit and you will know. The *****s are the ones who are topless.
The sand was soothing, and was full of volleyball and football (Soccer) games, but was not overly packed out. I guess maybe the time of the year. There are a lot of black American males and some white ones in the area. You can expect to pay from circa $50 for a daytime quickie at your hotel. Many of the women who work out of Help head to the beach in the afternoon.
The best vantage point to be is in the area near Help and the Othon Palace Hotel. I saw about 4 obvious hookers, but none to my liking, so I just enjoyed the beach, the view, and a brew or two. About 4:30, I followed the action, which began to trickle over to the outdoor cafe on Avenida Atlantica just across the street from the beach, so you can get a good view of the action without having to look like you are hawking.
I was soon joined by a couple of American gents from NewYork, ordered a caipiroska delicious drink, tropical lemon and vodka and they quickly filled me in on the modus operandi, and the reputation of each of the girls they recognised. It is quite interesting that there is a cadre of foreigners that actually come to Rio/Copa for weeks, sometimes up to a few months a year, and have become known amongst the locals.
They gave me the perspective from the "regulars" that short-timers like myself come in and drive up the price of pussy because we don't know any better, end up taking the women out to eat and treating them like queens... Remember always read the label… in this case The WSG Forum.
I later left to go back to my hotel to change and drop my beach stuff off when I passed this lovely lady light skinned. She had a J-Lo style booty with what looked like Japanese genes on the street. This girl was hot as hell and there was no way a few dollars was going to stop me from banging the dog shit out of this garota, besides she was more than worth it.
I said hello, she said something in Portuguese and gave me a smile that made my knees buckle and my dick rose to a 24-gun salute. I stepped to her. After stumbling through some Portuguese, and she through some English, she asked me if I wanted to make love to her. Hell Yeah!
By the way, five star hotels will NOT let you bring a ***** to your room. So you should not stay at one. If you have to stay at a hotel, which does not allow women, then you can get an hourly room nearby
We got to my hotel, Paula handed the desk clerk her ID, and we went up to my room. No sooner did the elevator doors close than she began to rub up against me, kissing my chest. She was about 5'4", I am 6'2" so she was about chest high to begin with. Although we had a bit of trouble understanding each other, we did manage to communicate a bit, and just by her manner and her tone, I thought she was going to be one hell of a fuck.
Even against these high odds, her temperament and attitude would prove to be her greatest assets! She's a real class act. The most unusual aspect (almost comical charm offensive) occurred at the beginning. Paula starts with a sexy strip tease and then begins singing "Girl from Ipanema" by the great Carlos Alberto Jobim (Brazil's second most famous individual besides Pele. I might be mistaken but I think the airport is named after him). She does have a nice voice. This caused me mild amusement and a slight chuckle
We soon found ourselves on the bed, with me on my back, and her exploring my body with her tongue. I was getting very aroused by the way she kissed my chest, biting my nipples, and flicking her tongue all around the inside of my thighs. No sooner did I open my eyes, Paula took my cock in her mouth. She began to lick and suck my cock (sans condom) in a way that really made me feel like we were making love.
We both got into an exchange of oral pleasures. It seemed like the more she sucked my cock, the more I wanted to eat her pussy. I would eat her pussy and lick and finger her asshole until she couldn't take it any more and she would lay me on my back and start sucking my cock and rimming me as if she were trying to let me know that she would not be outdone. At times I wasn't sure who was working for whom.
She has a red-hot modus operandi one seldom encounters in the Old World. We fucked voraciously in several positions before I came, and those loud moans were incredible. I exploded a big load on her tits and face it was a mind-blowing experience, which was heightened further as Jessica began licking the wet cum off my cock… Priceless.
We both fell asleep with her in my arms. I couldn't ask for any better she is really a wild fuck. Paula was a beautiful lady. I'd easily give her a 10 on looks except for one complaint. I did notice that most women I saw in Rio had generally unattractive feet, and while they have sexy legs, most don't shave.
This is not gruesome, but as a technicality, for my discerning delectable taste it's a mandatory 0.5 deduction, so she ends up with a 9.5. However, her looks are just the beginning - Paula is an extremely sweet and fun lady, and is incredible in bed. What a way to start a trip.
Whiz Kid
part 3
gentlemen
help discotheque - the hookers down there are called "piranhas". they don't call themselves this, but rather say they're "on the program". if you go to rio, most of the western tourists end up at the help disco before the night is done. most of the hooker action is here too. the help discotheque is ground zero, especially in the open-air tables outside.
although it opens at 11pm, most revellers scurry in just before midnight when the entrance fee shoots up. there is a large bar right in front of help. this is an excellent spot to cherry pick your princess, here the chicas hangout, chat or have a drink while waiting for the disco to open.
if you find a garota that interests you, you have nothing more to do than give her a wink, a hello and zoom; she's at your side. you might be tempted to avoid help altogether or might be tempted to vamos with girls who line up on the street looking for a ride. but wait up the best is yet to come.
when i first went in there (help) i thought i had died and gone to hedonist's heaven. gentlemen contain your enthusiasm, it's absolute fantasyland. the place is jam-packed, wall-to-wall. i get hard just thinking about it. picture a combination of a high school prom and soul train where with a few exceptions most of the chicas are selling pussy. the toughest part is being paralysed by indecision. so many choices, so few nights, only one tool. yeah i know decisions, decisions, decisions...
opinion is divided on quality, some argue that most of the stunningly beautiful have moved to europe, either with a man who invited them, or as dancers or prostitutes. and if you see one, she might just be visiting and ready to go back to europe. they certainly aren't in london. anyway let's not even start on that repressed place.
however to my mind there are at least 300 of the most beautiful girls in the world there and fewer men, basically it was actually a buyers market. this is a large disco with an upstairs and downstairs and i'd imagine many nights would be crammed full of gorgeous women of all shapes, sizes and colours. a large mezzanine runs around the top so there's plenty of space to sit, gawp, cherry pick and tor**** your prey.
it can be quite a spectacle as many of these women are dressed in a very provocative manner and watching them dance and gyrate their booty (the other thing that brazilian women do without peer is dance) is an erotic experience. sometimes you'd wish men were equipped with more than one tool.
often the girls will get up on these platforms and dance solo - showing lots of leg. however most of these garotas would rather dance with a guy with a bit of spending money, preferably one who is willing to part with some of that dough.
if you want to get a taste of help, rent one of the buttman carnival party videos. it is a video of women dancing. most of the scenes take place at help. during the non-carnival times though you will not see the nudity that you do in these videos. that is apparently only allowed during carnival, but the girls that you see are the girls of help.
the price for a superstar is $100.00 for all night. if you only go one place to buy pussy in rio, go to help discotheque. speaking of prices, there are two kinds of deals: an hour or all night. i had no interest in an hour, so i always indicated that i wanted them to spend the night. some only do all-nighters.
you'll pay a bit more for the really hot ones, especially earlier in the evening. as it gets on towards 3:30 or 4:00, prices start dropping. generally, my goal was to split by 2:00 or 2:30 so i'd have the energy left for a couple rounds in bed.
generally, it will be up to you to approach the women. that seems to be most true with the best of the group. i found them to be very approachable and friendly. it will help a great deal if you know portuguese or some spanish. very few speak much english; a few speak a little italian or german. if you're language-challenged, don't despair: they know why you're there and you can communicate the basics like want a drink, dance, etc... and of course they all know enough to negotiate a price.
just look decent, have a smile on your face and relax. but don't just rush in, grab someone, and split. these chicas love to dance, so show them a good time and they'll show their appreciation later. buy her a drink or two and treat her nice. you'll be repaid ten-fold.
another thing that amazed me about the brazilian women was how warm and affectionate they are. i'm used to hookers being somewhat distant (not kissing or really cuddling, rushing things, etc.), but these women were really different. they truly seemed to enjoy being with you, completely. i didn't have a single bad experience. you really have to tell yourself that she's not really falling in love with you, because they certainly act more like a lover than any hooker i've ever seen.
kissing on the lips is automatic, as is oral sex without a condom. and it's clear they want to get off as well as get you off. i had a couple instruct me on exactly what to do to get them to cum over and over. condoms are always used for vaginal sex, and if she doesn't suggest you use one, don't be an idiot.....use one! protect her and yourself.
there was this brunette, she spoke perfect english, that began gyrating her booty on my dick and told me she had no panties then wanted me to take her home but there was something about fake blue contacts that made me feel queasy, so i declined. she keeps telling me how handsome i am and how she has just fallen in love with me… yeah right.
i wasn't going to go against my better judgement, plus she was a bit rough - too physical if you know what i mean - i like my women gentle and more passive than she was. i just avoided eye contact, but this didn't stop her resolve.
later she was sitting with some guys, came over to my table and started saying something about the guys sitting with her giving her a hard time and that you "wouldn't get any shit from me", et al. i could hear the tension in her voice and told her to back off, when she let loose with a tirade of vociferous expletives about me only liking blondes, and she saw me looking at the blondes in help, avoiding eye contact with her, and that i was crazy, etc... another not-so-pleasant scene.
i also saw 3 tempestuous cat fights while i was there, one with glasses being thrown at each other at, very entertaining but unnerving as well. i met a crazy, fun dutch guy there too and he was with this girl who apparently is reputed for her blowjobs prowess, and seemed to want him all to herself.
then another girl in help told him that her friend would like to talk with him, and he told his partner that he would be back in a "couple" of minutes. well, after he hadn't returned in 5 minutes (i was there) she had a hissy-fit. she was very possessive.
another time, a guy was smoking a cigarette and accidentally brushed up against a girl in help. even though he apologised, she seemed riled to the very extreme and i actually thought she perilously close to hitting him. hmmm… if you can't handle an accidental cigarette in a bar, then you simply better not go to a bar as i see it.
i don't like being hit up for drinks by girls i'm not even with - be prepared for that at help too - a girl will smile ear to ear, say a few words, get you to say a few words, still smiling, and hit you up for a drink or two, and then she'll add her girlfriend or "friends" to the list.... not so much of a big deal, just remember - they are *****s, and they do know how to take no for an answer. i treat the ones nice who treat me nice.
some of the girls there like to pinch your ass as you pass by.... i gently patted one girl's ass as she passed by oopps - mistake. she gave me a full-powered punch to the shoulder - no damage of course, but i wish i could have drilled that ass as cornucupance.
so, there are just a few things to let you know what kinds of situations you can get into with these girls without even trying or knowing. they can be like a cross between a girlfriend and hooker - its a very interesting experience. it can be good - they are very affectionate - french kissing passionately and warmly, blow without condom, no teeth felt on any i had damm! but you get the "pressure" from the "girlfriend" side of it too in some cases.
spending the night with these chicas was a true pleasure. my first night was spent with tatiana, i was prowling and pseudo cherry picking my princess for the night when this hot as hell chica i was lusting after was approaching me. i wink at her and zoom, she is over next to me. she asked me in convoluted broken english if i would dance with her.
within a second of assessing her, by observing the outline of her hips, which i thought were deadly and an ass that just won't quit… to use a worn cliché. she also had a very pretty face to boot, light olive brown skin with soft eyes. i wasn't going to turn a lady down would i?.
we danced for a while, but i was a bit frustrated she couldn't speak english and then she blurted out perfect dutch. on hearing this i worked out the probability of a chica in rio not speaking any other language aside spanish, english, french but dutch. then it hit home, she must have been an amsterdam pro. she denied she hadn't been to amsterdam… yeah right, but i didn't care, i was not going to allow a difference of opinion to stand in my way of banging this chica.
she stuck her tongue into my ear and then started to french kissing me passionately. obviously my mr. happy started to harden, she felt it, slipped a hand inside my pants and did some groping. it is amazing how persuasive this can often be. my head was spinning and i could no longer resist.
so i stopped her, but a minute or so later she grabbed my hand and put it below her miniskirt: she had no panties, and damm was she wet. she even inserted two of my fingers into her pussy and started moaning… that was worth the price of admission.
these chicas know how to drive a man wild. she had succeeded in driving me wild and all i wanted to do was drill this chica. you know the sort of horny feeling where your in total heat, bordering on feeling dizzy and you nearly loose your marbles and can't think of nothing else but pounding her furiously. i said vamos and we left help instantly.
we went through a similar ritual, showered, and made love. i knew this lady would give incredible oral and i was not disappointed. i lodged my cock between her tits while she continued to give me head. she gave a mind-blowing bj sans condom and i ended up exploding in her tits and face. she was not as erotic as paula oral wise, but position wise she was numero uno.
we start with doggy style and she wants me to slap her ass while fucking her and after two rounds with different positions and awesome moves that i have never seen before these chicas know how to move men gaaadd daaammm!!!. she could contort her body in ways that i'd never thought possible, and taught me a few new positions. she was like a cat… better yet a tigress. i know now why brazilians are the best in football (soccer). if you know your football very well think a cross between ronaldinho, denilson & romario these garotas are in a different stratosphere.
in addition to her lovemaking skills and swimsuit model body, she has a great attitude and provides excellent service. she quickly got me hard again and we fucked passionately in several positions before the session ended. i needed all my willpower not to cum again because i wanted to save something for the other chicas. she cuddled up with me and we slept for a few hours.
we both woke up together and she slipped under the covers and started licking my balls, i was intent on making her cum and she let me, and i finally came while fucking her from behind. i proceeded to the shower, things got really hot in the shower and i could have had her right there but choose to limit it to intense foreplay. by her just sucking me in the shower.
finally at noon we went to her apartment where she changed into her bikini (nothing more than a few pieces of string) and we headed to the beach. once there, she took off her top and spend much of the time sucking on my earlobes and giving me a permanent hard on... priceless
later that day, after walking back from the other end of the beach, i returned to my hotel about 4:20 to find paula leaving me a message at the front desk. i had forgotten she told me she was going to see me that day. what a pleasant surprise.
that afternoon, we made love even more passionately than the day before - something i didn't think was possible. she gave me the best blowjob of my life, and i sucked her pussy like a ripe piece of fruit. after fucking for a while in several positions, she began to get dry, and decided to suck me off until i came in her mouth sans condom. she seemed to appreciate my showing her how to gently work the vein at the base of my penis with her finger as she was sucking my cock.
i desperately wished i could speak portuguese because at this point, i really wanted to spend more time with paula. nevertheless, we said some sorrowful goodbyes (i was leaving the next day). she gave me her address and phone number - just thinking about her now, i'm considering getting a translation dictionary and sending her a letter.
i was completely exhausted and jet lagged from my flight from london after making love to her that i fell asleep. i received a call about 7:00am, which caught me completely by surprise since no one i knew had this number. it was tatiana. she called me because she didn't see me at copacabana beach. i told her i had fallen asleep and she said maybe she would see me at the help.
i realised how easy it was for people to get very attached. in talking to the regulars, it's pretty common that a guy will hook up with one or two girls and stick to them like boyfriend-girlfriend. i had hoped to fuck another one of the girls in help that night, but i did want to say good-bye to tatatiana.
i went to help that night about 4:30am after waking up - still groggy. shortly after i got there, twice 2 very aggressive ladies, neither of whom i wanted to take home, approached me. if you are a cheapskate, try help or help exit at 4:30 am, however the better ones usually are not left until this hour
i am sure there are many other places in rio, but i make due with these to optimise funds and maximise choice. i know there are saunas all over, but i prefer doing my thing in my hotel room.
i've found nothing that compares with the sexual prowess and energy of the brazilian women. these ladies were more than just beautiful hookers, they were friendly charming, delightful, fun and passionate. i doubt that i will ever have this kind of experience with anyone in this profession, and probably just set myself up for disappointment for the rest of my life.
i found language to be the biggest barrier. i would recommend you brush up on your portuguese a little before making your run. makes it much easier to communicate and much more enjoyable after you have found your brazilian princess. these women love to have fun, and you'll have more fun if you can communicate. being able to talk with the women, joke with them. compliment them, etc., improves the quality of the sex...really!
not trying to stir racial connotations but my impression of the rio society is rio is populated by portuguese, italians, and blacks. many people are a mixture and get along fine as if in a perfect colour-blind society. this is true to a certain extent.
but if you go take a bus trip to barra shopping, you will pass right thru the foot of a favela which is all black. then when you get to barra shopping, you will see that the shoppers are 95% middle class whites. i never seen a black work in a jewellery store, anywhere in rio.
although the liberal world media portrays brazil as a colour-blind perfect society where everyone is a mixture, you will see that the bums on the street, service personnel, prostitutes at help, street hawkers are all overwhelming black while the bankers, high class clothing stores, civilian shoppers are overwhelmingly white.
however rio to put it mildly "is simply the best".
whiz kid
I have been in Rio for a month now and I think it is a pretty safe city. As long as a person is aware of his surroundings I think there is no problem. For those who think that Rio is unsafe because they left there belongings in there car and went to a club, and on there return they found out that there belongings are missing. I would suggest try doing that in any country the world and chances are your belongings will be gone when you come back.
In Rio one can find Garotas de Programas (working girls) any time of the day. For those of us who are very price conscience they can pick up a girl from Avenida Atlantica on Copa Cabana beach from about mid morning until about 4:00 am. These girls charge anywhere between US$10 to US $20. Although, most of the girls will ask you for R$50 which is about US$17 at todays rate of 1US$=R$3.03 or so. One need to be a little carefull here and make sure that the girl you are picking up is really a girl and not a guy. There are several lady boys on the street but if you take a good look at them you will have no problem.
You can take these girls to your hotel room, your apartment, or a love motel (the closest one that i know of is Hotel Diplomata which charges R$30 for one hour and R$50 for two hours). Most taxi drivers know this motel.
As per my personal experience I have had a few girls from Avenida Atlantica and have several experiences with the escort services mainly Karla Models and Cia plus. I have not gone to the termas yet but plan on going there soon.
Since my plans are to stay here for another two months, there is no rush for me.
IMHO the escort services are pretty good. I strongly recommend Karla Models, especially Andreia Veiga from Karla Models. I know web address has been posted here several times but once again it is ww.karlamodels.com.br.
Another love motel in Copa Cabana is Hotel Vanity. They charge R$40 for 6 hours. The rooms are pretty good. They are on N.S. Copa Cabana Ave. street number is 1079.
I am sure I will have several other posts while in Rio but this is it for now.
Rio Lover #2
07-27-04, 22:57
Whiz Kid,
I have to compliment you with your reports, you gave the right details about the cidade meravilhosa. I liked your description about Help, especially about the girls.
When were you in Rio? I just came back 2 months ago and started already planning my next trip to Rio in november.
Lately I met some Help girls in Oceano (Lugano), they tend to give you more GFE experience in Brasilthan in Europe (probably because of the easier money spend by the hungrier men especially the Italians (no offence)).
Good report on the copacabana life.
Cheers Rio Lover
Whiz Kid, great report, I remember most of it from the World Sex Archives from 1997, it was good then and it was good now, thanks for bringing it back up again, it brings back memories.
Whiz Kid,
First of all, GREAT reporting. Thanks for the kudos on my reports. I really try to help guys on the places I go to. I LOVED Amsterdam as a city and I did have one good hobby experience there but the other was just the worst experience I've had in all the countries I've been to. Still, the city is beautiful. If you live there, you're really lucky. Just a really clean, beautiful and laid back city full of gorgeous hotties.
You're absolutely correct. There is simply no better place in the world to hobby than Rio, IMHO. Also I truly believe NO girls are better in bed than Brasileras. These girls are amazing! All those experiences you had were like my first trip to Rio. People can put down Help Disco and say not to go there..yadda yadda yadda. The funny thing is some of the sweetest girls that I know in Rio I've met there. My best sessions were with girls I met there. Even freebies that I received were from girls I met there. If you treat the girl nice you'll have great experiences there.
Whiz Kid - If you ever come back down to South America (which I assume you will) give me a hollar and maybe stop by Buenos Aires. I'm moving there in 2 weeks for the foreseeable future. I have a travel agency there so PM me if you need help booking a room.
Fartknocker
07-28-04, 06:01
Nice report Whiz Kid. I love guys that include the filthy details (pervert that I am)
A few minor comments,
I had a gf of mine explain the difference between a "puta" and a "piranha." Her explaination was that a "puta" just does the deed for cash, whereas a "piranha" is a loose woman who will sleep with any guy who hooks her up with what she wants -- sometimes even for the price of a couple of drinks. There are plenty of both all over Brazil, but the ones at Help are definitely "putas."
Your ode to the sexual prowess of "Brazilian girls" is enthusiastic, but not entirely accurate. I've probably slept with as many non-pro's as I have prostitutes, and among the non-pro's I've found quite a few that are mediocre at best in the sack. In fact most of the non-pro's I've slept with don't really give head that well. On the average the professionals in Rio have much better sexual technique than the typical small-town girl, and are much more likely to be skilled at oral, anal, wild positions, etc. Spending all your time in the Copa pay-4-play scene and coming to the conclusion that all "Brazilian Girls" are sexual animals is like going into Scores strip club in New York and concluding that all "American Girls" are gorgeous blondes with huge fake tits.
And, yeah, most Brasileiras are kinda hairy and don't use razors much, but after a while I got to where I kinda liked it. Especially those fine little blond hairs all over their well-tanned, shapely bundas . . . ai, que gostosa!
Whiz Kid,
Thanks for your detailed reports. This should be an excellent primer on where to go to get laid for someone coming to Rio for the first time. I myself prefer the termas girls to Help!, but to each his own.
I would take issue with only one thing you said, which is that you can't bring girls to your room in a 5-star hotel. Well, of course you're not allowed to, but the challenge is to find a way to do it anyway. This has become a matter of personal pride with me, to figure out ways to outwit the hotel management.
Of course, if someone can't afford to stay in a 5-star, I understand that. But if you can, you're foolish not to, because in comparison to what similar hotels cost in Europe or North America, 5-stars in Rio are a bargain. The cost is between 1/2 to 1/3 to what you might pay in London, Paris, New York, or LA. If you're going to be fucking women fully in a class with Sophia Loren in her prime, why not have a hotel room to match? I've gotten GDPs into my room at Caesar Park, Meridien, and Sheraton. For my money, the Sheraton is the best hotel in Rio, in spite of the inflated reputation of some others, and it is reasonably priced--$160 a night on my last stay.
For hints on how to get your choice garota into your room, read my shorter report below in this section dated 7/22/04, or my longer one in the "Rio de Janeiro-Hotels" section dated 4/17/04. The truth is, gentlemen, that I've never seen a hotel manager I couldn't outsmart. BTW, I'd like to hear, either in posts or PM, from others who have tried similar methods to get garotas into 5-stars. Maybe there are other methods I haven't thought of.
Lorenzo
john:
i'm currently in Rio. Did you locate the telephone information you posted about earlier in the living in brazil section?
Nice report Mr Kidd, You picked up the spirit of the pace quite well in a short time.
One minor correction, the mans name is Antonio Carlos Jobim (or Tom Jobin), and yes the International airport is named him, the co writer of Garota De Ipanema (The Girl from Ipanema)
I had reported a few days ago about where I bought my cell phone from in Rio de Janeiro. Just to recap, I bought a used cell phone for R$200 that included R$25 usage Tim Card (Tim is a cell phone provider here in Brazil). So the net cost of my phone that I purchased for use in Brazil was R$175.
Moreover, I had asked the company that I bought my cell phone from what if I wanted to sell this phone back to them on my return from Brazil. The lady at the store told me that she would purchase it back from me for R$80 to R$100 providing there is no damage to the phone. So my net cost for the phone will probably end up being close to R$100 for the next three months that I plan on staying in Brazil.
I recommend this company as to there was no false claims made and the phone was available on the spot and ready to use right away. I even went back to them for some more help regarding changing my voicemail because it was giving a portuguese message and they helped me all the way. They even have a friend who works in a near by store who speak some English as my portuguese is very minimal.
Following is information regarding the company:
Company Name: Cell Brasil
Address: Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 581
Unit 227 (2nd Floor)
Copacabana.
I was staying at the time on Rua Paula Freitas and Nossa Senhora Copacabana. So if someone needs a cross street that is a pretty close one. You will probably walk about 2 to 3 blocks from this cross street.
Phone: 5521-2548-1480
Sale Rep Name: Nicole.
As I am reading the reciept I just saw that it says 90 days guaranty. So eventhough I bought a used cell phone it came with 90 day guaranty which is pretty good IMHO.
When in Rio I purchased a brand new Nokia (3300) phone for R$200 outright from the local claro (it was either claro or vivo) shop on avanida copacabana nth, 2 blocks south of Xavier, in copacabana. They set me up with a prepaid phone card and got it working for me. There were 3 or 4 sales people that all spoke english quite well and were very helpful. From memory they also had another brand of phone for R$180. Having said this, if you have a GSM phone that is not locked it will work fine with a Brazilian prepaid chip in it, just get a girl to follow the voice prompts to connect it and refill as required.
Young & Restless
07-30-04, 05:12
Whiz Kid,
That was a very refreshing report on Help. It seems that most of the feedback that I read about Help has to do with inflated prices and hard-core chicas. I'd say that the majority of the complaints are pretty valid, but make no mistake; you can still go to Help and have a blast.
On my first trip I could not squeeze in enough nights at Help, but once I discovered how much fun the termas in Rio are, my visits to Help slowly tapered off.
You really should consider going to some termas if you decide to return to Rio (Bubba Boy listed some of the best ones to go to). Honestly, the termas are what have kept me going back to Rio again and again. As far as I know, there are no other countries in South America that have them (if I am wrong about this, someone PLEASE correct me!).
Nice report,
Y & R
Unforgiven
07-31-04, 20:16
Listening to Tom Jobim´s songs is another pleasure of Rio.
He was an erudite maestro who composed popular songs; he partnered with, among others, Stan Getz and Frank Sinatra.
Some of his songs were translated into English, but even in Portuguese you will feel what good music is, when listening to Tom.
Does anyone know about a place (or a neighborhood) called Barra Mansa? If so, please give me some info about it. What is it like, etc.?
Big John 55
08-01-04, 06:26
Spent a week in Rio recently and stayed at the Execlsior in Copacabana. Ciaplus and other services do not go there because of "no permission".
I thought about finding one of the recommended motels that rent by the hour. However, I found out that Monte Carlo was 3 blocks away. I gave it a try and was very please with the quality of service and found the overall value very good. Several 8 - 9's to pick from with every shade of the rainbow available. All were focused on pleasing the customer. I certainly left with a smile!
Did not get a chance to sample Ciaplus this trip, but highly recommend Monte Carlo if you are in the area. Sorry, but no pics from Monte Carlo, but there were some great photo opportunities for sure.
Firstly, apologies for this very late response, being a tad ubiquitous and bogged down with work at the time of the year when many of my colleges are on holiday. We'll try and answer everyone on here and PM as well this weekend.
Secondly Obrigado mucho amigos for the kind words but credit has the go to all our predecessors for their sage and invaluable insights.
To the saint,
Thanks very much for your very kind offer, I really do appreciate it. I'll most definitely bear it in mind. But it would have to be at least next year. I am looking forward to hearing more about your various lines, like the one about asking for Portuguese lessons for the Brazilian Garota's. I think it's a much classier way for asking the chica give you a quote. I can't get enough of those your suave lines so if you have anymore PM me amigos. + Plus I'd like to hear more about your freebie tactics.
With regard to Amsterdam it's a shame you had a bad experience, though I have never had a bad experience. You’re also very right in the sense of there being much to absorb in iconoclastic of neighbourhoods.
Amsterdam is a compact, instantly likeable city. It’s appealing to look at and pleasing to walk around, it's web of canals radiating out from a historical core to loop right round the centre. It's an intriguing mix of the parochial and an international ethnic and social homogeneity. *****s, School kids, Junkies, Cops et al all interact with a strange brand of social cosiness. It is a city for art lovers, shoppers and pleasure seekers of every type from high art and low culture in a city of contradictions. Where the tourists are mere voyeurs.
It also has a welcoming convivial attitude towards visitors and a uniquely youthful orientation, shaped by the liberal counterculture. As for culinary oeuvre some of the best Indonesian, Surinamese, Moroccan and Turkish outside their respective countries can be found here. PM me for economical options. It's all good fun and pretty innocuous, so long as you remember that window girls do not like their pictures taken and that drug dealers react to eye contact like dogs to bones.
I like my hobby to include seeing the sights and sounds and hobbying experience to be on the periphery or the icing on the cake. So more R and R (rest and relaxation), with a bit of S and T (slap and tickle).
To Rio Lover
For us here in England it's expensive coming to South America and tiring for a short spell. For example The flight to Rio via Sao Paulo is 14 hours, plus BA have a policy that you must spend Saturday night there effectively meaning you either spend 2 nights which obviously doesn't make sence for 5 nights. So I spent the other 2 in New York before rushing back to catch my flight. Tickets are start at $1,000 to $4,000 USD, then there's accommodation, hobbying before other expenses. Whereas Amsterdam costs me less than less than $400 dollars for all expenses including a 5 star hotel but excluding pay for play.
But definitely Buenos Aires, Santiago and Lima are on my to do list. The information on this forum is daunting so I have never had time to decipher which ones to pick out. But since it's "the saint" and I trust his judgement I guess I am nudging to Buenos Aires first. If you could PM or point me to the modus operandi there, or one of your invaluable reports to get to know what to expect, I'd really much appreciate it. You description of Amsterdam was staggering, It's almost as though you had a web cam on your, having the geography of the city in my head, I could every street you described including the girls that dressed as nurses, the winking ones, the door knocking ones and I even stayed in the same hotel.
With regard to help's notoriety, I always say "each to their own" but you can count me in that camp of these who think you can most definitely have a blast there. I have never seen anything like that before. I thin some people like to follow "popular vote" and only follow where the wind blows. But for me I don't really care and I'll say it again if there is one place to but pussy in Rio, I'd recommend help anytime.
To FartKnocker,
Thanks for the description of Puta and Piranha, that's why I love this board so much. Every vestige of detail counts. I never knew this and would definitely bear it in mind. As for the ladies being best in the sack, true I had a couple in Rio, but have had over two dozen in the last 11 years outside Brazil. Rio was only confirmation of my visceral hypothesis.
I think you and I need to learn a thing or 2 from the Saint with regard to getting the best of these chicas, I ain't no cracker pundit and seduction issues but one of the best ways of getting the best out of these women it seems is to make them orgasm first. First you please the garota, then she pleases you. The more orgasms she has the more she will make your fuck better. So the foreplay is a significantly important elixir.
One of the best fucks I had was this Brazilian garota at my work Christmas party. The background to the story was she was lonely, a bit on the quiet side and just got off a long-term relationship. She had no one to talk to but me and was on the rebound big time. I had to be patient it took 3months, but was worth the wait.
Viviana was tall, smooth olive skin, soft eyes had this swash-buckling walk that instantly captivates your sixth sence. Approaching advent and the yuletide she kept turning up at the office in shorter and shorter skirts, showing more and more cleavage. One day she kept batting her eyelids at me and saying things like, "I can be so good to you if you let me".
At that time It was an albatross because though I was finished a tumultuous relationship, I was hoping for a reconciliation because I hadn't found anything better and it wasn't exactly the best fillip in my efforts. So this cul-de-sac was the wrong timing. But this didn't stop her resolve working late that evening she came juxtaposed before me would stroke my hair, loosen my tie and uncross her legs in front of him giving me an instant hard on.
Finally off course I cracked. She came in closer wearing a low cut white T-shirt and a tight mini skirt and my eyes nearly popped out. We went into my boss’s office and she and stripped off. Viviane gave him oral sex and sent him into orbit. It was like red-hot needles shooting through my body. I then made love to her standing up against my boss’s desk and then over the desk. When we were doing it over the desk, she kept moaning, "Oh, I love it like this, I just love it". This just proved to be a taster, the best was yet to come.
At our office Christmas party, I had a spare key to one of the rooms usually reserved for my boss, but since he was away on business he left it to me for safe keeping. Viviane knew the key was with me and asked if we could go upstairs. I was up those stairs like a rat up a drain-pipe. Viviane was behind me. Walking in a calm and sultry way, toying with her hair. You all knew what was going to happen.
Once we were in the room, It was so frantic, the sex was over in a 15 minutes. "She took off the top from her gown and kicked off her shoes. She had white sexy, lacy underwear on and took off her knickers. We made out doggy and missionary and I couldn't contain myself and it was over in 15 minutes. Viviane was a little miffed and voiced some Portuguese vociferous expletives which almost gave me an instant hardon except that we had to leave.
The point her is the way she moved her bunda left, right, left, left, right et al up down down down up, the rhythmic manoeuvring was akin to all Brazilian girls I have had the distinguished pleasure to bed and I must say their technique is superior IMHO. It's a shame you gentlemen in the States don't follow soccer (Football). It's funny because the Brazilians are known to be technically superior to the rest of the world over the last century, the same way the NBA players are superior to the rest of the world in Basketball.
There's something in the air in Rio, maybe culture, lifestyle, diet et al, but there's something that makes these girls a treat, but like I said earlier you perfectly entitled to your own opinion and I respect you for that.
To Lorenzo
Thanks very much for that info, if I ever have to come to Rio to work, we usually have a deal with the Marriott. What difficulty would I have with your tactics in over coming it there. I doubt if I would come down anytime soon, but you never know? As I finish this report I shall critically analyse your suggestion in detail.
To Bubba Boy & Unforgiven,
Thanks for the correction with regards to Garota de Ipanema. Yeah it's done several times by Stan Getz whose version I like the most featuring Jobim's daughter Bebel Gilberto and my favourite Kenny G. Album... Songs in the key of G, when he covers timeless classics like Girl from Ipanema and Desafinado + others like... The look of Love, What a wonderful world, Summertime, In a sentimental mood, stranger on the shore, Body & Soul, Round Midnight, Over the rainbow et al. Yeah he was an erudite maestro.
To Young and restless
Thanks for pointing me to Bubba boy's recommendations, I hope to give them due consideration after writhing this report and thanks Bubba boy in advance for your research.
Obrigado Gents,
Whiz Kid
carlos783,
barrah is a little beach south of rio as your coming down from copa, through impanema, through leblon, then you hit barrah. real upscale area, not as busy as the other beaches but very nice none the less. lots of nice shops, [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118), and make sure you goto barrah shoppe, lots of fine ladys walking around there. go shopping and watch the store clerks hit on you all day, maybe get some non working girls. great place to relax enjoy yourself and call escorts.
Sunset Strip
08-01-04, 21:08
Unforgiven,
A good CD to listen to is the soundtrack for Bossa Nova, the movie set in Rio about a US English teacher. It has many Jobim tracks and some others. Do you have it?
This CD and a bottle of wine and I feel like I am in Rio. I will be there in reality next month hanging at Lu'omo, Monte Carlo, and Meia Pataca (at night).
TJ
Speaking of "love motels"... a few guys have emailed me lately asking me which love motel I went to on my trips to Rio and which ones I prefer. VIP's is a great one. They rent them out 8 hours at a time. Unfortunately, they don't give you a discount if you stay a full day. Last year my friends and I stayed there several days at a time. They didn't give us a discount. You just have to pay 3 X the 8 hour rate.
The rooms are great, the beds are comfortable and there is 24 hour room service for drinks, food, ice cream. The downside is there are no safes there but there aren't in most of the other apartments in Rio. It's a way from the action so the taxi fares can add up but it's a pretty unique experience staying there. Girls couldn't believe that we were staying there days at a time. It always cracked them up. It's not exactly cheap but it's worth trying out at least once. Many Brazillian pornos are filmed in the Millenium Suite.
Good luck.
http://www.vipsmotel.com.br
Whiz Kid,
You probably wouldn't need to use my 'tactics' at Marriott, since I've read several posts stating that they are girl friendly. But my hunch is even they would draw the line if she is really cheap looking.
Lorenzo
Bravo Lorenzo,
Thanks a lot, I'll definitely bear that in mind and your tactics are spot on.
Whiz Kid
MSJ44,
Hi Gentlemen. I replied all PM's early Satuday. However just to let MSJ44 that your mail box is full, so it's not allowing me send you a response.
When you clear you box let me know and I'll send you your reply ASAP.
Whiz Kid
Thanks for the info, Vitor97.
On the issue of overpaying:
The problem about over paying the girls is not so much that it drives up prices (only in Help and other Gringo joints), overpaying just makes the girls think you are an idiot and have no class. I´ve been going to Rio for a long time and I know this from talking to the girls. If you want the girls to think you have class treat them with respect and by having fun and joking etc. Paying R$300 just makes you look like a silly American. It can also be a risky thing to do as most people who know Rio bargain and don´t pay over $150/200, so you look like a novice! If you read the accounts of fellow mongers with bad experences you may notice that in most cases (certainly not all) the guy agreed to pay to much up front.
If you want to pay more simply bargain and then if everything was good add a tip!
When to Luomo´s tonight and it was as good as ever :-)
I´ll be here for a few weeks so if any of you mongers want to meet up for a trip to help or a therma PM me.
Langer
I concour with Langer. We have to keep an eye on the bottom line. I know most people in England and America especialy might think paying too frugal might ruin the experience with the garotas.
Not so in Rio. The culture is such that once she agrees a price she will more often than not give her all, because she will be paid after service so if you get a feeling of Bohemain Rhapsody and feel like tipping then so be it.
But most importantly, you agreed and stuck to the bottom line.
I think we need something like this for the Amsterdam newbies.
Bravo Langer
Whiz Kid
Fartknocker
08-03-04, 16:14
i've never figured out why anyone would even care if a third-world 'ho thinks you "have class" or not. i understand perfectly well that many men have been emasculated by decades of domination by bitchy american/european females. i realize that fear of rejection is at the heart of a lot of this silly overpaying nonsense. however, i strongly believe that these guys should try to use the rio experience as a way to work through their phobias rather than giving in to them.
in brazil, if you have money you have power. you don't need to bow and scrape and lick boot to women like you did back home. you need to get the fear of rejection out of your own head and put it into these stuck up putas.
try this one night: go into your favorite pick-up place and refuse to pay any girl more than r$150. walk away from as many girls as you need to. just before midnight (or whenever your favorite escort agency closes) if you still don't have a date, dial up an agency and order a girl to meet you back at your apartment. that same r$150 will get you 2 hours in her mouth, pussy, ass and anywhere else you want to put it. no negotiation. no rejection. no problems.
repeat this course of treatment as many nights as you need to in order to overcome the insane desire to overpay hookers to boost your own self-esteem.
Some info for you guys wanting to get Sim cards for your cell phones.
Some of the shop in Copa are charging R$55 for sim cards, the same cards are available from Rio Sul Shopping center for R$25 TIM and R$31 Oi with R$5 free credit.
Just another Rio ripoff like the taxi outside HELP, etc.
Off to try Monte Carlo tonight report later
Langer
Fingerprinting,
Just wondering if Fingerprining/photographing was the common theme on the way into RJ via GIG these days?
Thanks!
S
Rabo Verde
08-04-04, 04:36
True love in Mongerville shown in photo below:
Hot To Cool
08-04-04, 05:59
Chuponalgas,
If that's you in the picture, I can see why you call yourself chuponalgas, LOL.
Hot To Cool
Thunderthrust
08-04-04, 12:16
Good work Whiz Kid. Great reports. You are truly the Ernest Hemingway of WSG.
Also great photo from you Chuponalgas. Was it taken at a water park? Spoke to some chick last year at 4x4 about a water park where I was going to be taking her. Never happened but would like to know where it is for my next trip.
Thanks
RE: The photo: True love I don't know; but true Mongerville indeed.
Where in rio is that? Inquiring minds want to know.
I just returned from a 2 night stay in Sao Paulo followed by a 5night stay in Rio.
This report is mainly about the stay in Rio but for all readers while in Sao Paulo we performed a comparison study on 3 frequently discussed items. Therefore with Jackson’s approval I will start with the first day in Sao Paulo but quickly get back to Rio.
The three items are; Viagra, Levitra and Cialis. The study group, 5 Americans from California, “The Rat Pack” Ages; 27,32,40,41 and 55.
When we travel together we tend to stay at the 5 star hotels and although we try to adhere to the “going rate” we do not spend a lot of time negotiating. We are on vacation. trying to have the most fun in a short period of time. We work hard at our jobs and treat ourselves to being that Kid in the Candy Store. Our itinerary would be best described as stuffing 10lbs. of potatoes in a 5lb. bag.
The first day we hit Francebell, as reported clinical appearance of a health/medical
clinic. All of us get a girl and do our deed. See Sao Paulo post.
We meet at 6:00 PM and all try a 20mg tab of Cialis. First report is at 6:15 where two are experiencing increased blood flow to PIC, “person in charge”.
We have drinks and decide to go for a walk to purchase more quantities of all the items to be sampled. We went to the first block and found that three corners had pharmacies. The largest (chain) had a sign in the window “Promocao”.
A sale on Cialis -30%, Levitra -20%, Viagra -10%. The Cialis was 89 reais for four 20mg. tablets. Normally 127.00 reais. The Levitra was134.00 reais for four 20 mg. tablets. Normally 174.00 reais and Viagra was 88.00 reais for four 50mg. tablets.
As we are walking back to the hotel (7:45 PM) all five guys are walking a little funny.
We all had a 25%-50% erection. And every time someone’s mind drifted into a sexual thought it produced a full erection. Boy we are liking this Cialis? In addition, we are all keeping in mind that Cialis works for 36 hours.
The Rat Pack returned to the hotel and showered and met to go out at 9:00PM. We decide to head to Café Photo (see Sao Paulo post). Where we all pull out a girl and went back to the hotel. The next mornings report was everyone had wild nights some with three and four complete sessions.
At noon, 18 hours later we all were still feeling the 25% constant erection and the ability to go to 100% within seconds. This condition started to dissipate around the 24 hour mark and all five back to normal at 30 hours.
We all stayed off of any of the three samples that night and all reported normal conditions and performance with the girls we met at Café Photo.
We now take a 7:00 AM flight from SP to Rio. Again we stayed a little distance away from the two main beaches at a 5 star hotel.
After getting settled in our rooms we meet for an early lunch. We all decide to try Levitra today. So at noon we take a 20mg tablet.
We all have escorts scheduled to come to our hotel @ 1:30. They were either from VIP RJ or friends of a girl one of us met from VIP RJ. They showed up on time and we all retired to our respective rooms.
We agreed to meet later at the pool and share some wine and report our experiences.
At 6:00 PM we meet and the report was; all five had great sex and performance. Four were able to have multiple pops and the other only one but said it took over an hour of continual sex to finish. Most important was that all five went for it again and had and maintained full erections but the wells were dry.
The other issues were that neither Cialis nor Levitra had any physical side effects.
A quick note regarding VIP RJ escorts. The have a book that for 50 reais Karina will bring it over for your review. It has actual pictures of the girls and in most cases more explicit photos. The 50 reais is not credited towards any meetings you book.
She also has a VIP album with girls that supposedly are models or have done magazine work. Three of the girls we had come from the book. The other three were one from a previous meeting who was from the model album and two of her friends.
All of them were excellent and performed great services. One was Sandra Ricci, previously posted by another member. During our stay three of us had a night with her and all agree she is the hottest sex we have had in RIO!
Back to the Levitra test. It is now 8:00PM and we have shared a few bottles of excellent California CULT Cabs at the pool. We head of to one of our favorite Brazilian Restaurants for dinner. After which we immediately hit Centarus and all sample the talent.
We gather outside and it is now 11:30 and everyone reports that they had normal performance and had no trouble and no one had yet experienced the constant swelling that came with Cialis. We have two options at this time one go back to the hotel and call it a day or HELP!
Since we are really trying to accumulate as much information for all the members on these three vitamins were had to go to Help.
We get in and take the first three tables at the stairs. We did this to try to scan all the girls as they come in. Well, we got a front row seat at a parade. The line for the bag check backed up the stairs and was right in front of us. So we got a close up of the girls before the made the dash to the bar and dance floor.
We decided that each guy could invite two girls to sit with us and have some Champagne.
Knowing that we would chat and decide which girl was going back to the hotel for the night.
We all made our choice and headed back to our hotel, which again is a not close but does not give us any grief about our nightly visitors. We do sign them in but only for security purpose. We are not charged a fee for the night.
The next morning we met at 11:00 AM for our coffee and reports of 23 hours of Levitra.
The Pack had a good night. Everyone had stellar performances and the same with their girl of choice. Three had sex into the AM and then a repeat at wake up time. The other two had wood in the AM but were physically worn out. None of us had any side effects or the constant partial that we experienced with Cialis.
We all hit Luomo at 4:00 PM and then met for snacks, drinks and a cigar at Esch. Great little cigar restaurant in Leblon. It was now 6:30 and we all took our Viagra. Well, within 15 minutes three of us had a mild headache. Unfortunately, not the little head. It stayed mild and constant for one of us but grew more uncomfortable with the other two. Never the less we decided to have a late dinner and hit Barbarellas.
We get there around 11:30 and set up at a table near the stage. It is instant show time at our table. However, no one is reporting any stimulation from the Viagra. Other than the headaches there isn’t any sign that it is working or that we have taken anything. We all set our sights on finding the Mrs. for the night. Slowly the table fills up and we leave to test the V.
The next morning four of us met for coffee and a report on Viagra. The missing member is sick. Not from the headache but a sinus head cold. Everyone had no problems with their performances that night. However, no one went for seconds let alone thirds. In addition, not one of us wanted or tried for any good morning action. Our sick member confirmed the same results later in the day.
So except for the instant headache there wasn’t anything exceptional about the Viagra.
Trying to be fair we decided to abstain for one day and start over using the three in reverse order. Report to follow.
Reference article: http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/77/90395.htm
Chuponalgas,
I'm curious as to which hotel that is?
Thanks, RF
I paid $1,250.00 for my two previous trips to Rio in Aug 03 and Jan 04. Yesterday I bought my ticket from Expedia for $850.00. It was through American Airlines. They're having a pretty big sale right now. HTH
RF
Sal Dali: I've been to RJ twice in the last four months and have n ot been photographed or fingerprinted yet.
The Gringo in Brazil pays the GdP for having sex.
The Brazilian monger pays for the anonymity. If you have an affair it’s always a risk that your wife or girls sniffs it out. A free Brazilian doesn’t pay for sex (or he is a complete fool).
Pimpolho
Thunderthrust: I have never been to the water Park but I do believe it is in Barra De Tijuca. I usually run out of time before I get to it, Im always busy doing other things.
Thanks to all the guys that participated in the "reality check" regarding the cash compensation issue.
I was pretty freaked out at the beauty and the price my first time and might have gone the route of overpaying. But my "seasoned" travel buddy kept me in line.
On another note;
I'll be in Brazil for 2 weeks, then Buenos Aires for another this Oct.
Anybody got advice about a phone that will work in both countries? I do not think my cell phone has the frequency requirements, or will work by simply wsing another SIM card.
Thanks
Can anyone tell me the address for Help? I´ve looked all over old posts and haven´t been able to find an address. There should be some kind of sticked posts with all of places in Rio and their addresses.
Bango Cheito
08-06-04, 20:14
1) We weren't photoed or fingerprinted either.
2) We paid under $1100 each through a travel agency including hotels and taxes and everything. I couldn't imagine paying $1250 just for airfare!
3) See next post
Bango Cheito
08-06-04, 20:25
Two of us went to L'uomo last night around 9:30pm. We are both down with the local scene back in NY but this was something off the map for us. Thanks to the excellent posters on here we knew exactly what to expect, but the nice thing was that there was absolutely NO bullshit involved with this place, no bill-padding, no clock-watching, nothing of that nature.
I spent 635R and my friend spent 350 or so. He got an hour in the regular suite with one sexy loira and I got a girl/girl package with Susana and Elis in the Super Suite. I highly recommend when you go for the threesome to pick two girls who like to work together; many termas girls and other incall girls are GFs IRL. These sessions always seem to be the best.
The girls I had were far from the best looking in the place but I am very happy with my decision. These two girls were wild. We did just about anything that you'd see in a really good Rocco Sifreddi movie. I actually popped before I could take advantage of Susana's completa the action was just too hot for me. That is not something that usually happens either!@ The showers right in the rooms are such a great luxury. Right as I got out the shower Elis went straight for asian on me. I've never seen such enthusiasm on a girl.
My experience with Rio is right now confined to L'uomo, but I can understand why most mongers on here would consider it to be the best.
Hey Guys,
If your looking for airfare try www.flycheapol.com
I fly out of Phoenix and they have been the cheapest for 2 years, for me it's usually under $700 round trip.....
Hammer
CaptainNemo
08-07-04, 02:47
Bambino
There are many GSM handsets working in BA or Rio. In Brazil, the GSM babd is 1800. In BA, the GSM band is 1900, same as US. When you buy a handset, just make sure that it supports at least 1800/1900, is not SIM locked. Then you can use a local SIM card.
My Termas Tour:
Monday-4x4, picked Gleice a blonde, Brittney Spears look. BBBJ and sex in many positions.36 c fake. wore white top and short skirt.
Tuesday-4x4-one of the twins, cute face,braces,big Bunda,close to flat chested.Good BBBJ and sex in many positions in the super suite with hot tub,garden behind glass, king size bed, curved sex chair. shower.
WED- Monte Carlo-Picked a Penelope Cruz look a like. Med Long Brown hair, med Tan, 36c good BBBJ and sex in many positions.
Thursday-Rio Antigo-Med brown hair 38 c, with med size bunda. great BBBJ and sex in many Positions.
Friday-Monte Carlo-Barbie- Brown hir 36c, around 5 feet 4 inches.good BBBJ and sex in many positions.
Sunday-Solarium,bleach Blonde,38c,Great BBBJ and Sex in many positions
Tuesday-Termas 65, med length bleached blonde 38 D, short aroun 5 feet.great BBBJ and sex in multi positions.
Fri-4x4. last day picked Gleice -the Blonde Brittney Spears look.
Havrum:
Help's address is:
Av.Atlântica, 342
Copacabana
Every cabbie in Copacabana knows where Help is located.
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