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Scudrucker
08-26-19, 23:37
Over the past number of years, my friends have had a lot of double transactions, skimming and other fraud from some of the nicest places all over Mexico.
You just don't know which atms or hotels or restaurants to trust. Not just Tijuana but all over Mexico. For the record I have had no problems with the 2 banks on constitution (so far).
I visit during the day when there are lots of people and a cop hanging around. I am not a fan of all cash, has anyone had any experience with prepaid cards in Mexico?
BlkPanther
08-27-19, 08:29
Police will say they need to search your wallet. Insist that you hold your money in your hands. I have been searched by police 2 or 3 times and they will relent once you insist. If you see the cops hanging out on the street it is a good idea to walk on the other side especially if there not many people around. The police tend to hang out on the west end of the alley and search people.I've always wanted to check out the Mexican putas in Tijuana and thought to check out the posts as I'm a long time monger that's visited several countries over the yrs, but from what I've read in you guys posts my mind is telling me, "don't do it! From the corrupt police shakedowns, fake police, drug dealer wars, etc. I see a lot of potential problems that I would rather avoid. Yeah, you can call me a 'wuss', but I prefer mainly unhassled mongering experiences. Hopefully no drama. By comparison I've been to Rio's beaches, Colombian cities, etc many times that are supposed to be so dangerous and have never encountered a problem day or night. No drama. I'd rather concentrate on the chicas. But I appreciate your honest posts that have helped me decide to stick to the carribean, and central & south america. And I'm 6'3", 250 lbs, and have had some fighter training but I don't think you'll see me south of the border (so to speak) You have to know your limitations, LOL!
I'll never stay at Leyva again. 4 or 5 years ago they said my room at checkout only had 1 towel. They wouldn't give me my deposit back saying all rooms at check in have 2 towels. I had no luggage or anything. Just used to crash there when drunk. Said maybe my lady took the towel. I told him I had no lady visitor. Went back and forth to no avail. Place is a joke and rates have gone way up in recent years.Some people have trouble with Victor the desk guy but during my 3 year stay everyone was super kind to me.
Like I said a good deal for the zona but not without caveats. 3 years ALWAYS hot showers. Never an issue with theft but I lock my stuff up.
I've always wanted to check out the Mexican putas in Tijuana and thought to check out the posts as I'm a long time monger that's visited several countries over the yrs, but from what I've read in you guys posts my mind is telling me, "don't do it! From the corrupt police shakedowns, fake police, drug dealer wars, etc. I see a lot of potential problems that I would rather avoid. Yeah, you can call me a 'wuss', but I prefer mainly unhassled mongering experiences. Hopefully no drama. By comparison I've been to Rio's beaches, Colombian cities, etc many times that are supposed to be so dangerous and have never encountered a problem day or night. No drama. I'd rather concentrate on the chicas. But I appreciate your honest posts that have helped me decide to stick to the carribean, and central & south america. And I'm 6'3", 250 lbs, and have had some fighter training but I don't think you'll see me south of the border (so to speak) You have to know your limitations, LOL!If you have done those places then there is no reason you can't do Tijuana.
It is a different beast but worth the experience if anything else.
Dcrist0527
08-27-19, 13:33
I've always wanted to check out the Mexican putas in Tijuana and thought to check out the posts as I'm a long time monger that's visited several countries over the yrs, but from what I've read in you guys posts my mind is telling me, "don't do it! From the corrupt police shakedowns, fake police, drug dealer wars, etc. I see a lot of potential problems that I would rather avoid. Yeah, you can call me a 'wuss', but I prefer mainly unhassled mongering experiences. Hopefully no drama. By comparison I've been to Rio's beaches, Colombian cities, etc many times that are supposed to be so dangerous and have never encountered a problem day or night. No drama. I'd rather concentrate on the chicas. But I appreciate your honest posts that have helped me decide to stick to the carribean, and central & south america. And I'm 6'3", 250 lbs, and have had some fighter training but I don't think you'll see me south of the border (so to speak) You have to know your limitations, LOL!One of my numerous pet peeves on this board is the hysteria and fear mongering. Sometimes, I wonder what causes bad things to happen to people and why I've been spared. Like you, I'm a bigger guy and that doesn't hurt. And no doubt, everything you've mentioned is a risk. But I would just add that with common sense and awareness, you'll likely be just fine. Every time I venture there, I see people that make themselves such easy targets. They are completely unaware their actions and behaviors are just like drawing a bullseye on their forehead. I've almost stopped to talk to them about it but I'm not that arrogant. I would never use the word "wuss" to describe your apprehension. But I think that apprehension would serve you well in Tijuana. I'm not pushing you to visit, I'm just saying it's not all doom and gloom there.
Basketball101
08-27-19, 17:23
One of my numerous pet peeves on this board is the hysteria and fear mongering. Sometimes, I wonder what causes bad things to happen to people and why I've been spared. Like you, I'm a bigger guy and that doesn't hurt. And no doubt, everything you've mentioned is a risk. But I would just add that with common sense and awareness, you'll likely be just fine. Every time I venture there, I see people that make themselves such easy targets. They are completely unaware their actions and behaviors are just like drawing a bullseye on their forehead. I've almost stopped to talk to them about it but I'm not that arrogant. I would never use the word "wuss" to describe your apprehension. But I think that apprehension would serve you well in Tijuana. I'm not pushing you to visit, I'm just saying it's not all doom and gloom there.Some of it is fear of the unknown. Tijuana has the reputation of being dangerous. The recent border issues surely do not help. I remember going for the first time, I used Brocton O Tools guide to walk me through. I studied the forum posts from years back to get enough info. I think the scariest part was the cab rides back and forth. Finding the cab stop, to get there, and once being dropped off, to go home, and finding the border crossing, at midnight.
from what I've read in you guys posts my mind is telling me, "don't do it! From the corrupt police shakedowns, When an airliner crashes, it makes headlines; when a car crashes, it doesn't. Yet far more people are killed in car crashes. Tijuana is like an airliner; the disaster stories are spectacular, but blown way beyond proportion.
But if you really read these forums, you'll see that many of us go down there (pun intended) quite often. If you know what you're doing, the Zona is safer than many parts of LOS Angeles, or even San Diego.
Had bad experience with policia recently. In zona Norte hotel, which I won't name, because some posters will defend their favorite places like you are attacking their sports team. Anyway, in hotel, light was on, in bed naked, evening, not middle night. Policia tried breaking door down. They had room key, machine guns, ski masks, seven deep, flashlights, the room safety lock held up but could see them. Door opens two inches. I start yelling what do you want because they yelled in Spanish. I put underwear on, let them in because they said policia, and I had no choice. I assumed it was a robbery or they hoped I had a girl who they could arrest me for. Anyway they come in room looking for someone. Even checking bathroom. What was the point? Who knows. I was scared of the machine guns being pointed at me. If the door wasn't with a safety lock, they would of rushed in tripping over each other to squeeze in door. And if someone pulls trigger by accident, just like in the states it would be the victims fault. I probably won't ever sleep in zona Norte again. And always sleep with lights on, incase anyone comes into room, which I always do in Tijuana. I've seen policia and military rush into other hotels like they are arresting a terrorist. So it's not something new. I just thought the better hotels would have some agreement of courtesy with policia. Obviously not. And I do think the whole stripper escort scene gets these guys adrenaline pumping more then it would for home invasions five blocks away on boring residential streets. Don't send me hate responses I know some only want the positive stories. But some can handle the truth and still navigate Tijuana successfully.
KC Questor
08-29-19, 00:10
Yeah, you can call me a 'wuss', but I prefer mainly unhassled mongering experiences. Hopefully no drama. By comparison I've been to Rio's beaches, Colombian cities, etc many times that are supposed to be so dangerous and have never encountered a problem day or night.Every time I've gone to Colombia I've been warned (by friends and even the State Department) about the dangers of gangs, terrorists, and cartels. Never had a problem. Rio is considered the pickpocket capital of the world and there are often advisories about how dangerous it is, but I had a great time. Why would you be concerned about Tijuana and not those places, especially when you never encountered a problem there?
I've never had an issue in Tijuana. I don't want to discount the guys who have been hassled or robbed. I believe their reports and they concern me. But I also know that the vast majority of guys never have any problems and if you are careful and safe -- like you should be in any city -- you'll have fun. Just like in Medellin or Rio.
MexiMonger
08-29-19, 03:02
Had bad experience with policia recently. In zona Norte hotel, which I won't name, because some posters will defend their favorite places like you are attacking their sports team. Anyway, in hotel, light was on, in bed naked, evening, not middle night. Policia tried breaking door down. They had room key, machine guns, ski masks, seven deep, flashlights, the room safety lock held up but could see them. Door opens two inches. I start yelling what do you want because they yelled in Spanish. I put underwear on, let them in because they said policia, and I had no choice. I assumed it was a robbery or they hoped I had a girl who they could arrest me for. Anyway they come in room looking for someone. Even checking bathroom. What was the point? Who knows. I was scared of the machine guns being pointed at me. If the door wasn't with a safety lock, they would of rushed in tripping over each other to squeeze in door. And if someone pulls trigger by accident, just like in the states it would be the victims fault. I probably won't ever sleep in zona Norte again. And always sleep with lights on, incase anyone comes into room, which I always do in Tijuana. I've seen policia and military rush into other hotels like they are arresting a terrorist. So it's not something new. I just thought the better hotels would have some agreement of courtesy with policia. Obviously not. And I do think the whole stripper escort scene gets these guys adrenaline pumping more then it would for home invasions five blocks away on boring residential streets. Don't send me hate responses I know some only want the positive stories. But some can handle the truth and still navigate Tijuana successfully.Please I must know which hotel.
Dcrist0527
08-29-19, 15:50
Had bad experience with policia recently. In zona Norte hotel, which I won't name, because some posters will defend their favorite places like you are attacking their sports team. Anyway, in hotel, light was on, in bed naked, evening, not middle night. Policia tried breaking door down. They had room key, machine guns, ski masks, seven deep, flashlights, the room safety lock held up but could see them. Door opens two inches. I start yelling what do you want because they yelled in Spanish. I put underwear on, let them in because they said policia, and I had no choice. I assumed it was a robbery or they hoped I had a girl who they could arrest me for. Anyway they come in room looking for someone. Even checking bathroom. What was the point? Who knows. I was scared of the machine guns being pointed at me. If the door wasn't with a safety lock, they would of rushed in tripping over each other to squeeze in door. And if someone pulls trigger by accident, just like in the states it would be the victims fault. I probably won't ever sleep in zona Norte again. And always sleep with lights on, incase anyone comes into room, which I always do in Tijuana. I've seen policia and military rush into other hotels like they are arresting a terrorist. So it's not something new. I just thought the better hotels would have some agreement of courtesy with policia. Obviously not. And I do think the whole stripper escort scene gets these guys adrenaline pumping more then it would for home invasions five blocks away on boring residential streets. Don't send me hate responses I know some only want the positive stories. But some can handle the truth and still navigate Tijuana successfully.No reason to doubt your account and in fact, it was corroborated by another poster. So we're all better from your contribution.
I'm pretty sure that I would feel exactly as you did, if it were me. At the same time, I think there are some comments that inflame the situation. Accidentally pulling the trigger? Arresting a terrorist? Well, the laws are different there but at the same time, I don't think calling some of these narcos terrorists is far off. This is a big if, but if they are going after someone big, I'd hope they would have more information but these are not good dudes. And to say they are amped up because of the strippers? Cone on. These guys are going room to room with the possibility of being the next cartel victim. I don't think they need strippers to get amped.
We'll never know why or who. And as I said, your experience would probably sit the same way with me. But I don't know that I would portray this event as normal.
Please I must know which hotel.I believe it's hotel Cascadas. He talked about it on the HK tread.
MexiMonger
08-29-19, 18:48
I believe it's hotel Cascadas. He talked about it on the HK tread.Yes indeed.
What a horrible experience! As a Mexican I would fear being abducted by the police and then my family paying ransom or something. Because yes, this shit happens in Mexico very often!
Damn I was going to be there next month.
Please I must know which hotel.AGREE. Useless without a hotel name. You are doing the community a disservice by not identifying which hotels police enter at will. That means ALOT to some mongers.
Thanks.
I believe it's hotel Cascadas. He talked about it on the HK tread.Not surprising. One of the many many reasons to avoid the grips of the HK / Azul / Cascadas KKKLAN.
Captain Solo
08-29-19, 19:48
I was in HK and Cascada between 8 PM to 1 AM. Did not see any raids at either places.
Policia with face masks going room to room with automatic weapons looking drugs or fugitives is kind of stupid. AMLO probably pays good overtimes for a chance to claim some credit. A dozen dealers sell drugs all over La Zona right near municipal patrol cars with no impedes. One guy hid his stash on top of the air conditioning machine in the middle of Las Chevelas and kept running in and out to access it.
Chances are policias would raid many hotels at random, Cascada and others. I would not worry too much about it.
ScatManDoo
08-29-19, 20:05
AGREE. Useless without a hotel name. You are doing the community a disservice by not identifying which hotels police enter at will. That means ALOT to some mongers.Do you believe there are hotels that policia may not enter at will? Hotels that could be identified as such?
No reason to doubt your account and in fact, it was corroborated by another poster. So we're all better from your contribution.
I'm pretty sure that I would feel exactly as you did, if it were me. At the same time, I think there are some comments that inflame the situation. Accidentally pulling the trigger? Arresting a terrorist? Well, the laws are different there but at the same time, I don't think calling some of these narcos terrorists is far off. This is a big if, but if they are going after someone big, I'd hope they would have more information but these are not good dudes. And to say they are amped up because of the strippers? Cone on. These guys are going room to room with the possibility of being the next cartel victim. I don't think they need strippers to get amped.
We'll never know why or who. And as I said, your experience would probably sit the same way with me. But I don't know that I would portray this event as normal.My description of the encounter and explaining how a accidental shooting is very likely when crashing threw doors, trying to knock them down even with safety lock on, is because these accidental shootings happen all the time. How many times a year do people get shot in accidental shootings? A lot. In USA, police can't ram hotel doors down one after the other to find someone. To me, police always get more ramped up when it involves woman half naked. I see it at the beach in the states every day. You see the police and military drive in the alley every five minutes because it's exciting for them. Do you think they drive through the more dangerous streets two blocks away as much? I don't. I would not want to know what would of happened if I had a girl in the room or we were in the middle of sex. Or if I had been sleeping and took longer to open the door. To me, it was a extremely dangerous situation. I'm sure there's many people in Mexico who don't prostitution so I wouldn't be surprised if it had more to do with those political conflicts than searching for someone.
Do you believe there are hotels that policia may not enter at will? Hotels that could be identified as such?
The picking of nits ?
Ok I'll bite.
Some hotels are more susceptible than others but obviously ALL are on the menu.
Although I have a hard time seeing a swat raid happening while sitting in my room at the Ticuan.
Do you believe there are hotels that policia may not enter at will? Hotels that could be identified as such?I have no evidence to offer, but I would expect that since HK is the heaviest hitter in the Zona, especially if you include their affiliates, that they would be least vulnerable to misconduct by police or other criminals.
MemoeNasty
08-30-19, 00:57
Had bad experience with policia recently. In zona Norte hotel, which I won't name, because some posters will defend their favorite places like you are attacking their sports team. Anyway, in hotel, light was on, in bed naked, evening, not middle night. Policia tried breaking door down. They had room key, machine guns, ski masks, seven deep, flashlights, the room safety lock held up but could see them. Door opens two inches. I start yelling what do you want because they yelled in Spanish. I put underwear on, let them in because they said policia, and I had no choice. I assumed it was a robbery or they hoped I had a girl who they could arrest me for. Anyway they come in room looking for someone. Even checking bathroom. What was the point? Who knows. I was scared of the machine guns being pointed at me. If the door wasn't with a safety lock, they would of rushed in tripping over each other to squeeze in door. And if someone pulls trigger by accident, just like in the states it would be the victims fault. I probably won't ever sleep in zona Norte again. And always sleep with lights on, incase anyone comes into room, which I always do in Tijuana. I've seen policia and military rush into other hotels like they are arresting a terrorist. So it's not something new. I just thought the better hotels would have some agreement of courtesy with policia. Obviously not. And I do think the whole stripper escort scene gets these guys adrenaline pumping more then it would for home invasions five blocks away on boring residential streets. Don't send me hate responses I know some only want the positive stories. But some can handle the truth and still navigate Tijuana successfully.Stay at the Ibiza next time. I've heard of and been in the clubs when they've been raided before. Never heard of the police raiding a hotel. Ibiza is low key, cheap and problem free. Stayed there too many times to count in the last few years. Never any drama. Moe.
ScatManDoo
08-30-19, 01:01
... Useless without a hotel name. You are doing the community a disservice by not identifying which hotels police enter at will..Picking at posters? I think so.
The instance the poster described could happen at any Tijuana hotel. The two raids I observed years ago done by Tijuana policia were handled with the same aggressive way.
Dcrist0527
08-30-19, 01:34
My description of the encounter and explaining how a accidental shooting is very likely when crashing threw doors, trying to knock them down even with safety lock on, is because these accidental shootings happen all the time. How many times a year do people get shot in accidental shootings? A lot. In USA, police can't ram hotel doors down one after the other to find someone. To me, police always get more ramped up when it involves woman half naked. I see it at the beach in the states every day. You see the police and military drive in the alley every five minutes because it's exciting for them. Do you think they drive through the more dangerous streets two blocks away as much? I don't. I would not want to know what would of happened if I had a girl in the room or we were in the middle of sex. Or if I had been sleeping and took longer to open the door. To me, it was a extremely dangerous situation. I'm sure there's many people in Mexico who don't prostitution so I wouldn't be surprised if it had more to do with those political conflicts than searching for someone.It's "very likely", yet it didn't happen. It happens "even with the safety on". Those are just incindiary statements not based in reality. What in the world would support your "safety" argument?
And I'm not even going to ask how you find out the guys are amped up on the beach "every day".
Why do they drive through the bar block? Because that one block in Tijuana probably adds more to Mexican economy than any other for thousands of miles. It's a cash cow.
I'm not trying to argue. We all have our opinions. But I do take exception to fear mongering.
Hate to tell you guys but the police didn't do anything wrong. You're shock because you've never been on the receiving end of a police search before. What they did is actually pretty mild.
My Uber driver told me about another strip club incident in Mexico the same day, in another part of Mexico. I googled it. Very sad story. Strip club may not have paid proper protection money. Alot politics, not much of a prison system like the us so not as much law and order.
Had bad experience with policia recently. In zona Norte hotel, which I won't name, because some posters will defend their favorite places like you are attacking their sports team. Anyway, in hotel, light was on, in bed naked, evening, not middle night. Policia tried breaking door down. They had room key, machine guns, ski masks, seven deep, flashlights, the room safety lock held up but could see them. Door opens two inches. I start yelling what do you want because they yelled in Spanish. I put underwear on, let them in because they said policia, and I had no choice. I assumed it was a robbery or they hoped I had a girl who they could arrest me for. Anyway they come in room looking for someone. Even checking bathroom. What was the point? Who knows. I was scared of the machine guns being pointed at me. If the door wasn't with a safety lock, they would of rushed in tripping over each other to squeeze in door. And if someone pulls trigger by accident, just like in the states it would be the victims fault. I probably won't ever sleep in zona Norte again. And always sleep with lights on, incase anyone comes into room, which I always do in Tijuana. I've seen policia and military rush into other hotels like they are arresting a terrorist. So it's not something new. I just thought the better hotels would have some agreement of courtesy with policia. Obviously not. And I do think the whole stripper escort scene gets these guys adrenaline pumping more then it would for home invasions five blocks away on boring residential streets. Don't send me hate responses I know some only want the positive stories. But some can handle the truth and still navigate Tijuana successfully.Something like this nearly happened to me a few months ago. I was with tiny SG Michelle, who looks 18, we were naked having fun. A bunch of masked policia and soldiers, PEP, federales, municipal, not sure, had blocked off the callejon and were doing some kinda raids near Valentina but I was reckless and just walked through them and took Michelle up. While we were cavorting on the bed, we heard the soldiers marching through the hallway knocking on doors. At this point I really freaked out because I was assuming michelle is over 18 (she said 22) but it's not like I'd checked her ID, and she's the tiniest SG in the callejon, also she looked nervous, naturally. Anyway, the soldiers didn't knock on our door, but we heard them near us, and it was kinda scary, so I tried screwing more but eventually my pito deflated and we gave up.
JamesXFisher
09-09-19, 23:38
Something like this nearly happened to me a few months ago. I was with tiny SG Michelle, who looks 18, we were naked having fun. A bunch of masked policia and soldiers, PEP, federales, municipal, not sure, had blocked off the callejon and were doing some kinda raids near Valentina but I was reckless and just walked through them and took Michelle up. While we were cavorting on the bed, we heard the soldiers marching through the hallway knocking on doors. At this point I really freaked out because I was assuming michelle is over 18 (she said 22) but it's not like I'd checked her ID, and she's the tiniest SG in the callejon, also she looked nervous, naturally. Anyway, the soldiers didn't knock on our door, but we heard them near us, and it was kinda scary, so I tried screwing more but eventually my pito deflated and we gave up.Would it not be easier just to rent an AirBnb and not have these worries? This is what I have done in Guaudalara (whose police force are definitely prone to various types of mordida) and everything is copacetic.
Similar to you, I have a regular in Jakarta who is definitely 18 (I took care to check her KTP when we first met) but who could pass for younger. This has been a key driver of AirBnb over hotels for me, as the Indo cops are at least as bad as the Mex!!
Safe mongering all.
The traditional solution to these types of problems in businesses is the shotgun under the bar counter and a handy baseball bat. When the business is being shaken down and the owner fears for his life, then the shotgun solves the problem. I can personally vouch for the fear that intruders have when they hear a shotgun being racked and made ready. They decide fast it is time for them to be leaving! As I tell locals, the difference between Mexico and the USA is that in the USA, criminals fear the people because the people have guns. In Mexico, the people fear the criminals because the criminals have the guns.
My Uber driver told me about another strip club incident in Mexico the same day, in another part of Mexico. I googled it. Very sad story. Strip club may not have paid proper protection money. Alot politics, not much of a prison system like the us so not as much law and order.
KC Questor
09-10-19, 05:44
Would it not be easier just to rent an AirBnb and not have these worries?This was in the alley ("callejon") in the Zona. Most of the paraditas there only go to their hotel, or to one of a few hotels in the area. They wouldn't generally go with you to a private home, even if it is an AirBnB. I don't even know if there are AirBnbs in the Zona, and an alley girl is not going to head with you to another neighborhood unless you have a long history with her.
If you are talking about an escort, then you still have an issue with some of them not wanting to go to a private house. They much prefer a hotel. You may have more luck with an independent from Craigslist, Mileroticos, or Telegram.
LovesToSploog
09-21-19, 19:34
Alright so I get to tijuana late on Thursday, I'm use to getting into Pedwest and I hate taking taxis at the border since they usually price gouge so I was going to go Estacion federal which is fairly close. Last time I was going there from el chaparral, I was being followed and it's not even a long walk but it's darker than the other side where there is a strip club. This time I took the route of the strip club and then was going to cross to Estacion federal but the lights were red and I was just standing there. Well I noticed almost right away someone with a backpack was was walking right to me and I knew I became a target, right away I get to the farmacy and buy a water and the person has left, freaked out I looked again and he was coming back so I walked towards Calle Jose María and I went to a liquor store to buy gum. Getting out I saw a taxi stationed there and got the hell out of there, it was 110 pesos but fuck it I was too freaked. Besides taking taxi what is the best way to the Revolucion, I was thinking next time I go through PedEast and taking a van but how frequently do those things come? Or is there a better?
I would take Uber. It is always best to try and stick to areas where there is other people around. It is easy to become isolated and become a potential target.
Alright so I get to tijuana late on Thursday, I'm use to getting into Pedwest and I hate taking taxis at the border since they usually price gouge so I was going to go Estacion federal which is fairly close. Last time I was going there from el chaparral, I was being followed and it's not even a long walk but it's darker than the other side where there is a strip club. This time I took the route of the strip club and then was going to cross to Estacion federal but the lights were red and I was just standing there. Well I noticed almost right away someone with a backpack was was walking right to me and I knew I became a target, right away I get to the farmacy and buy a water and the person has left, freaked out I looked again and he was coming back so I walked towards Calle Jose Mara and I went to a liquor store to buy gum. Getting out I saw a taxi stationed there and got the hell out of there, it was 110 pesos but fuck it I was too freaked. Besides taking taxi what is the best way to the Revolucion, I was thinking next time I go through PedEast and taking a van but how frequently do those things come? Or is there a better?
KC Questor
09-22-19, 00:47
Besides taking taxi what is the best way to the Revolucion, I was thinking next time I go through PedEast and taking a van but how frequently do those things come? Or is there a better?I often take Uber in Tijuana, but you have to have internet on your phone and be willing to stand around for 5-10 minutes while it arrives. But I got to ask, is saving two dollars worth the hassle when you are headed from the border to the zona? I always just get in the taxi and and hand the guy five dollars when I get there. An Uber is going to be $3. Sure, you could take a ruta van and pay a dollar, but is that seriously worth the hassle? You almost got robbed, had to run from a ratero and hide in a pharmacy. Wouldn't spending a couple of bucks have been worth avoiding that risk?
LovesToSploog
09-22-19, 00:52
Usually when I try to take Uber from el chaparral, it sends it to another location and sometimes my internet get shotty since it's changing from USA to Mexico. But I suppose I could just send them a message of where I really am.
I would take Uber. It is always best to try and stick to areas where there is other people around. It is easy to become isolated and become a potential target.
LovesToSploog
09-22-19, 00:56
I take Uber as well, expect I've gotten shotty reception at el chaparral. But yeah you're right, I got cocky and I didn't realize how quick shit goes down. However I have had the hassle of taxi drivers getting greedy and asking me for $10 for Revolucion and 2nd. I really don't mind the taxi van though, last time I went at night I had came by train and the blue line so I took went through PedEast and honestly for 10 pesos, the ride was not bad at all, it's just I'm not sure how frequently it comes by.
I often take Uber in Tijuana, but you have to have internet on your phone and be willing to stand around for 5-10 minutes while it arrives. But I got to ask, is saving two dollars worth the hassle when you are headed from the border to the zona? I always just get in the taxi and and hand the guy five dollars when I get there. An Uber is going to be $3. Sure, you could take a ruta van and pay a dollar, but is that seriously worth the hassle? You almost got robbed, had to run from a ratero and hide in a pharmacy. Wouldn't spending a couple of bucks have been worth avoiding that risk?
It is always important to never let your guard down in Tijuana. I always look to see who is behind me. If I see a potential bandito behind me. I will stop and let him walk past me. This makes it much harder for him to jump you.
I take Uber as well, expect I've gotten shotty reception at el chaparral. But yeah you're right, I got cocky and I didn't realize how quick shit goes down. However I have had the hassle of taxi drivers getting greedy and asking me for $10 for Revolucion and 2nd. I really don't mind the taxi van though, last time I went at night I had came by train and the blue line so I took went through PedEast and honestly for 10 pesos, the ride was not bad at all, it's just I'm not sure how frequently it comes by.
It is always important to never let your guard down in Tijuana. I always look to see who is behind me. If I see a potential bandito behind me. I will stop and let him walk past me. This makes it much harder for him to jump you.Good advise!
Should have used it yourself before you got your phone ripped out of your hand recently. :(
Alright so I get to tijuana late on Thursday, I'm use to getting into Pedwest and I hate taking taxis at the border since they usually price gouge so I was going to go Estacion federal which is fairly close. Last time I was going there from el chaparral, I was being followed and it's not even a long walk but it's darker than the other side where there is a strip club. This time I took the route of the strip club and then was going to cross to Estacion federal but the lights were red and I was just standing there. Well I noticed almost right away someone with a backpack was was walking right to me and I knew I became a target, right away I get to the farmacy and buy a water and the person has left, freaked out I looked again and he was coming back so I walked towards Calle Jose Mara and I went to a liquor store to buy gum. Getting out I saw a taxi stationed there and got the hell out of there, it was 110 pesos but fuck it I was too freaked. Besides taking taxi what is the best way to the Revolucion, I was thinking next time I go through PedEast and taking a van but how frequently do those things come? Or is there a better?I always cross border at pedeast. Park at the trolley station in Chula Vista (free parking 24 hours if you use trolley). Trolley to the pedeast border San Ysidro / Tijuana 20 min, and in Tijuana take a taxi from the official taxi stop opposite Farmacia Milenia $5. When I come back often after midnight it is safe and no problem. Last trolley to San Diego 1258 AM.
LovesToSploog
09-22-19, 07:52
Yeah I know what you mean, there were people walking through traffic because you got to be on your feet. Stupid for me I was waiting for the light to turn green and when I saw the person, I wasnt just going to walk diagonally through traffic to get to Estacion federal. I saw the pharmacy and it was the first place to go. I believe the person was American or something, he looked methed out and was speaking in english. Normally someone who is naive would try to hear this person and try to help out but I just got bad vibes right away, just by the feel of his look, if that makes sense.
It is always important to never let your guard down in Tijuana. I always look to see who is behind me. If I see a potential bandito behind me. I will stop and let him walk past me. This makes it much harder for him to jump you.
LovesToSploog
09-22-19, 07:58
Before the hospital took over Beyer bvld parking that use to be my place to leave my car, now it's gotten farther and before I would be able to take a Uber on my way back past midnight for like 6 bucks. Now that it's farther it doesn't make sense anymore. I just park at the lot that is by the last freeway exit before you get to Mexico for 9 dollars on the weekdays. It's also closer to pedwest but I suppose I could park closer to PedEast and use that taxi service you mentioned, seems a lot more safer. Thanks for the advice fellas!
I always cross border at pedeast. Park at the trolley station in Chula Vista (free parking 24 hours if you use trolley). Trolley to the pedeast border San Ysidro / Tijuana 20 min, and in Tijuana take a taxi from the official taxi stop opposite Farmacia Milenia $5. When I come back often after midnight it is safe and no problem. Last trolley to San Diego 1258 AM.
True, occasionally I slip and let my guard down and I paid the price. Luckily it was a old phone.
Good advise!
Should have used it yourself before you got your phone ripped out of your hand recently. :(
Alright so I get to tijuana late on Thursday, I'm use to getting into Pedwest and I hate taking taxis at the border since they usually price gouge so I was going to go Estacion federal which is fairly close. Last time I was going there from el chaparral, I was being followed and it's not even a long walk but it's darker than the other side where there is a strip club. This time I took the route of the strip club and then was going to cross to Estacion federal but the lights were red and I was just standing there. Well I noticed almost right away someone with a backpack was was walking right to me and I knew I became a target, right away I get to the farmacy and buy a water and the person has left, freaked out I looked again and he was coming back so I walked towards Calle Jose Mara and I went to a liquor store to buy gum. Getting out I saw a taxi stationed there and got the hell out of there, it was 110 pesos but fuck it I was too freaked. Besides taking taxi what is the best way to the Revolucion, I was thinking next time I go through PedEast and taking a van but how frequently do those things come? Or is there a better?If you go through trolley border, the bus to "Centro" is almost non stop for 70 cents. If it's not dark yet, this gets you to a block before revolution, which is good area to get off if you want to see revolution. The next stop gets you couple blocks closer to Hong Kong but on more side streets. I prefer the bus because it makes me feel like I'm really in another country and you see some sexy Mexican mom's often. Nobody's ever looked at me funny even though I'm the only foreigner on it.
Data is slow at the border and here is how I never wait any more on an Uber. Open the Uber app as you enter Mexico customs. By the time you hit the ramps, it should start syncing. By mid-bridge (pedestrian bridge over the vehicle traffic entering Mexico) you should see all the Ubers. Before you get to the downward ramp, enter your location and pickup to find a driver. By 1/2 way down, it should connect you with a driver. Around the bottom it syncs, pairs and he / she is en route. I often have them drive up right as I hit the ride share island at El Chapparel. Sometimes I wait a minute or two. Main thing is, don't wait until you get to the island to fire up Uber.
I often take Uber in Tijuana, but you have to have internet on your phone and be willing to stand around for 5-10 minutes while it arrives. But I got to ask, is saving two dollars worth the hassle when you are headed from the border to the zona? I always just get in the taxi and and hand the guy five dollars when I get there. An Uber is going to be $3. Sure, you could take a ruta van and pay a dollar, but is that seriously worth the hassle? You almost got robbed, had to run from a ratero and hide in a pharmacy. Wouldn't spending a couple of bucks have been worth avoiding that risk?
LovesToSploog
09-25-19, 22:31
Where is this at?
If you go through trolley border, the bus to "Centro" is almost non stop for 70 cents. If it's not dark yet, this gets you to a block before revolution, which is good area to get off if you want to see revolution. The next stop gets you couple blocks closer to Hong Kong but on more side streets. I prefer the bus because it makes me feel like I'm really in another country and you see some sexy Mexican mom's often. Nobody's ever looked at me funny even though I'm the only foreigner on it.
ClamSlammer
09-26-19, 01:30
Where is this at?After you cross at PedEast and walk to where the taxi's wait, just to the left there are usually a couple shuttles waiting to load up on passengers to head to Centro. Fare is $10 mn or $.75 usd. It will drop you off at the Dax on 3 ra and Constitucion. The Zona is exactly 3 blocks north. The buses are pretty crappy, usually retired school buses or hotel-style shuttles that were probably used in the 80's.
Fare varies from 10 to 15 pesos to Centro. Some time standing only space. Confirm the Centro direction.
Where is this at?
LovesToSploog
09-26-19, 15:38
Thank you and Clamslammer for the information.
Fare varies from 10 to 15 pesos to Centro. Some time standing only space. Confirm the Centro direction.
LovesToSploog
09-26-19, 15:40
I believe this is what I was referring to initially. As I mentioned, how frequently do these come by? I went once and it was decent, for 10 pesos, I'll take it.
After you cross at PedEast and walk to where the taxi's wait, just to the left there are usually a couple shuttles waiting to load up on passengers to head to Centro. Fare is $10 mn or $.75 usd. It will drop you off at the Dax on 3 ra and Constitucion. The Zona is exactly 3 blocks north. The buses are pretty crappy, usually retired school buses or hotel-style shuttles that were probably used in the 80's.
They run in 15 min interval during daylight. I select one that is full and stand for the quick ride.
They have a schedule to keep but wait for certain period. Driver accepts dollar bill and change in peso. Exchange rate? Few pesos involved.
I believe this is what I was referring to initially. As I mentioned, how frequently do these come by? I went once and it was decent, for 10 pesos, I'll take it.
ClamSlammer
09-29-19, 19:38
how frequently do these come by?
They run in 15 min interval during daylight. They have a schedule to keep but wait for certain period.They don't run in any set intervals and I highly doubt there is any set schedule. When a bus gets full, it departs. Except for late at night, there is almost always a bus or two there waiting to load passengers.
When the second bus arrives. Definitely time to depart.
They don't run in any set intervals and I highly doubt there is any set schedule. When a bus gets full, it departs. Except for late at night, there is almost always a bus or two there waiting to load passengers.
It was under construction is it active now. I guess our exit is documented on video for sure now. Gave a wave to continue with the USA exit to Tijuana, Mexico.
ClamSlammer
09-30-19, 11:53
When the second bus arrives. Definitely time to depart.So you're saying that if there's only one passenger on the first bus, it will immediately depart upon arrive of a second bus? Couldn't be more wrong here. The first bus will stay until it gets full. If you know anything about Tijuana, you would know that bus (including taxi de ruta) drivers aren't paid hourly or salary like USA Bus drivers. Mexican bus drivers lease their vehicle and route. They keep all their fares. That is why you always see those red taxi de rutas drive all crazy, always in a hurry. Because the faster they drive, the more passengers they pick up, the more money in their pocket.
Frank the American Cocksucker who owns Border Station Parking has now shortened your $9 weekday rate from 12 hrs to 10 hrs. That means all you guys willing to cough up $36 for basically an overnighter have to light a match to $45 or so in your wallet. Meanwhile the lot sits basically empty on weekdays.
I get asked if I am scared to go into Mexico. NO MY DEAR I get scared to return to the USA.
I hate America more and more everyday. I totally feel you Bernie Sanders crowd. I don't blame you at all. Imagine giving some cockuscker $45 to park in an empty lot when I used to pay $7.
FRANK has his full name listed in Yelp reviews in case anyone needs it.
LovesToSploog
10-09-19, 15:57
I am planning to head out this weekend to be with a chicka, where do you recommend parking that won't bust my balls. I'm planning Otay for 15 per day but I'm just wondering if anywhere free,. Beyer is limited now but which rail station is best?
Frank the American Cocksucker who owns Border Station Parking has now shortened your $9 weekday rate from 12 hrs to 10 hrs. That means all you guys willing to cough up $36 for basically an overnighter have to light a match to $45 or so in your wallet. Meanwhile the lot sits basically empty on weekdays.
I get asked if I am scared to go into Mexico. NO MY DEAR I get scared to return to the USA.
I hate America more and more everyday. I totally feel you Bernie Sanders crowd. I don't blame you at all. Imagine giving some cockuscker $45 to park in an empty lot when I used to pay $7.
FRANK has his full name listed in Yelp reviews in case anyone needs it.
I am planning to head out this weekend to be with a chicka, where do you recommend parking that won't bust my balls. I'm planning Otay for 15 per day but I'm just wondering if anywhere free,. Beyer is limited now but which rail station is best?$15 a day on the weekend is a sweet deal in this climate. I can't think of anything cheaper besides risking an extended stay at a trolley stop. Myself I am out of the parking arena. Either I buy a cheap car or move closer to Tijuana. Things will get even worse. I think Otay Parking was $10 last year.
LovesToSploog
10-09-19, 17:36
You are right, actually, there still is a spot where it's $10 you just reminded me at Otay, I think I will schedule it, this weekend will be fun no doubt.
$15 a day on the weekend is a sweet deal in this climate. I can't think of anything cheaper besides risking an extended stay at a trolley stop. Myself I am out of the parking arena. Either I buy a cheap car or move closer to Tijuana. Things will get even worse. I think Otay Parking was $10 last year.
Frank the American Cocksucker who owns Border Station Parking has now shortened your $9 weekday rate from 12 hrs to 10 hrs. That means all you guys willing to cough up $36 for basically an overnighter have to light a match to $45 or so in your wallet. Meanwhile the lot sits basically empty on weekdays.
I get asked if I am scared to go into Mexico. NO MY DEAR I get scared to return to the USA.
I hate America more and more everyday. I totally feel you Bernie Sanders crowd. I don't blame you at all. Imagine giving some cockuscker $45 to park in an empty lot when I used to pay $7.
FRANK has his full name listed in Yelp reviews in case anyone needs it.I'm a bit fuzzy on something. OK. The rate was $9/12 hours and now it's $9/10 hours. Or, put another way, the hourly rate increased from $0. 75 to $0. 90. Is that correct?
Now if that's correct, then $9 x5=$45, your example. That's 5 10-hour instances, or 50 hours of parking. Just over 2 entire days, or 48 hours plus a bit of slack in case you're late. That's an awfully long overnighter. Essentially you can park on, say, Tuesday at 10 am and pick up the car at noon on Thursday. So, I'm fuzzy on the assertion that a guy wanting an overnighter spends $45.
When I did "walk across" overnighters, they were a lot closer to 24 hours. So, if I understand, the price used to be $18. Now, assuming at these low prices they don't do fractional days, the price for 24 hours is $27. A $9 increase, but you have a bit of extra slop in the schedule now because you have 30 hours instead of 24.
Now, it's not my money but it seems that demanding Bernie Sanders start dictating fair prices over a $9 increase seems a bit drastic, no? In either scenario, the increase is the same - $9. While I'm a notorious cheapskate myself, or so my GFs tell me, this increase is irritating but hardly drastic. I don't mean this to be snarky; if $9 is a serious impediment, maybe this is the wrong pastime?
I'm a bit fuzzy on something. OK. The rate was $9/12 hours and now it's $9/10 hours. Or, put another way, the hourly rate increased from $0. 75 to $0. 90. Is that correct?
Now if that's correct, then $9 x5=$45, your example. That's 5 10-hour instances, or 50 hours of parking. Just over 2 entire days, or 48 hours plus a bit of slack in case you're late. That's an awfully long overnighter. Essentially you can park on, say, Tuesday at 10 am and pick up the car at noon on Thursday. So, I'm fuzzy on the assertion that a guy wanting an overnighter spends $45.
When I did "walk across" overnighters, they were a lot closer to 24 hours. So, if I understand, the price used to be $18. Now, assuming at these low prices they don't do fractional days, the price for 24 hours is $27. A $9 increase, but you have a bit of extra slop in the schedule now because you have 30 hours instead of 24.
Now, it's not my money but it seems that demanding Bernie Sanders start dictating fair prices over a $9 increase seems a bit drastic, no? In either scenario, the increase is the same - $9. While I'm a notorious cheapskate myself, or so my GFs tell me, this increase is irritating but hardly drastic. I don't mean this to be snarky; if $9 is a serious impediment, maybe this is the wrong pastime?Yes correct. Things just got more expensive depending on how you roll.
For me an increase of $9 per day. Those extra 2 hours mean a lot because they do not complete a full 24 hrs. Multiplied by 3 days plus taxi to border and back = Too Much and much more than I was spending or am willing to spend. If you think $45 for 1 day plus 17 hrs is more than fair that's on you. I see it as a waste product of our economic system. A sewage run off of what's wrong with America. It's called IN YOUR FACE capitalism.
In Mexico cops will reach into your pocket and take your shit. In America Frank Cocksucker's will nudge the hours or someone will come up with new rules or regulations to jack you the fuck up. If I get jacked at least I want to be strong armed and robbed face to face no pussy footing around like we do in America.
3rd world shitholes don't do this to their people. Why the fuck can't I park for a reasonable rate in an EMPTY parking lot? Because COCKSUCKER FRANK is a pig.
The majority of our ills are MAN MADE. Don't hate the universe HATE the men that built it.
No disrespect to those that work or have worked for Govt. especially law enforcement and military. Thank You for your service.
End of rant.
LovesToSploog
10-09-19, 20:58
I was there last week with my chicka, arrived at 6 ish on, then I noticed the time had changed, anyways I was staying over the night with her and seeing that it was a 10 hour interval, I owed 9 dollars just those initial hours, then as soon as Friday hit I owed $18 totaling up to $27. At 2 am Friday my time ended for that first interval, so that means by 12 pm I had to move my car or else I would owe $45 for that little time, that's ridiculous. I made the mistake by not parking my car in Otay which would have been $25 for two days even if it was Friday.
Yes correct. Things just got more expensive depending on how you roll.
For me an increase of $9 per day. Those extra 2 hours mean a lot because they do not complete a full 24 hrs. Multiplied by 3 days plus taxi to border and back = Too Much and much more than I was spending or am willing to spend. If you think $45 for 1 day plus 17 hrs is more than fair that's on you. I see it as a waste product of our economic system. A sewage run off of what's wrong with America. It's called IN YOUR FACE capitalism.
In Mexico cops will reach into your pocket and take your shit. In America Frank Cocksucker's will nudge the hours or someone will come up with new rules or regulations to jack you the fuck up. If I get jacked at least I want to be strong armed and robbed face to face no pussy footing around like we do in America.
3rd world shitholes don't do this to their people. Why the fuck can't I park for a reasonable rate in an EMPTY parking lot? Because COCKSUCKER FRANK is a pig.
The majority of our ills are MAN MADE. Don't hate the universe HATE the men that built it.
No disrespect to those that work or have worked for Govt. especially law enforcement and military. Thank You for your service.
End of rant.
Frank the American Cocksucker who owns Border Station Parking has now shortened your $9 weekday rate from 12 hrs to 10 hrs. That means all you guys willing to cough up $36 for basically an overnighter have to light a match to $45 or so in your wallet. Meanwhile the lot sits basically empty on weekdays.The bankrupt Kmart has a big parking lot just sitting there. You'd think the owner would have the sense to turn that into a pay lot and undercut BSP.
The bankrupt Kmart has a big parking lot just sitting there. You'd think the owner would have the sense to turn that into a pay lot and undercut BSP.Someone probably had plans for that lot before they went bankrupt. I can't possibly see that being an empty space for long.
There was talk maybe two years ago of some parking structure wanting to be built but then no news became of it.
ScatManDoo
10-10-19, 06:19
Why the fuck can't I park for a reasonable rate in an EMPTY parking lot?.I drive in with my quasi-wingman & park in LZ, so I don't know the parking situation on the US side.
But I wonder, aren't there other parking lots you can use?
Frank the American Cocksucker who owns Border Station Parking has now shortened your $9 weekday rate from 12 hrs to 10 hrs. That means all you guys willing to cough up $36 for basically an overnighter have to light a match to $45 or so in your wallet. Meanwhile the lot sits basically empty on weekdays.
I get asked if I am scared to go into Mexico. NO MY DEAR I get scared to return to the USA.
I hate America more and more everyday. I totally feel you Bernie Sanders crowd. I don't blame you at all. Imagine giving some cockuscker $45 to park in an empty lot when I used to pay $7.
FRANK has his full name listed in Yelp reviews in case anyone needs it.Every trolley station (Blue Line) in Chula Vista and maybe National City (along Interstate-5) has free parking for 24 hours, but you must use the trolley system. The ticket costs $ 2. 50 one way or ($ 1. 25 over 60 or 62 year old). Travel time to the border and trolley station in San Ysidro about 20 min. The last trolley from San Ysidro to San Diego 1258 AM and the next trolley will start service around 430 AM. I always park on the trolley parking lot and never have a problem. Link to San Diego transit www.sdmts.com.
Every trolley station (Blue Line) in Chula Vista and maybe National City (along Interstate-5) has free parking for 24 hours, but you must use the trolley system. The ticket costs $ 2. 50 one way or ($ 1. 25 over 60 or 62 year old). Travel time to the border and trolley station in San Ysidro about 20 min. The last trolley from San Ysidro to San Diego 1258 AM and the next trolley will start service around 430 AM. I always park on the trolley parking lot and never have a problem. Link to San Diego transit www.sdmts.com.Thanks I live down here and am well aware of trolley parking BUT its only for 24 hrs. I need 4- 7 days parking.
The MTS has been converting some of their parking space for other usage. I got to Palomar station last Saturday around 11:00 AM, and there was only one open parking space. (Luckily, that was all I needed.).
The MTS has been converting some of their parking space for other usage. I got to Palomar station last Saturday around 11:00 AM, and there was only one open parking space. (Luckily, that was all I needed.).That is brutal. Thats a huge lot.
SD has parking problems for sure.
Yes correct. Things just got more expensive depending on how you roll.
For me an increase of $9 per day. Those extra 2 hours mean a lot because they do not complete a full 24 hrs. Multiplied by 3 days plus taxi to border and back = Too Much and much more than I was spending or am willing to spend. If you think $45 for 1 day plus 17 hrs is more than fair that's on you. I see it as a waste product of our economic system. A sewage run off of what's wrong with America. It's called IN YOUR FACE capitalism.
In Mexico cops will reach into your pocket and take your shit. In America Frank Cocksucker's will nudge the hours or someone will come up with new rules or regulations to jack you the fuck up. If I get jacked at least I want to be strong armed and robbed face to face no pussy footing around like we do in America.
3rd world shitholes don't do this to their people. Why the fuck can't I park for a reasonable rate in an EMPTY parking lot? Because COCKSUCKER FRANK is a pig.
The majority of our ills are MAN MADE. Don't hate the universe HATE the men that built it.
No disrespect to those that work or have worked for Govt. especially law enforcement and military. Thank You for your service.
End of rant.It's not in your face anything, really, it's the simple law of supply and demand. Adam Smith's invisible hand at work. Houses, parking spaces, or coffee. If demand exceeds supply, prices will rise. Price is the method used to allocate scarce resources. The other way would be for some unelected bureaucrat to mandate some price he considered to be "fair. " We've seen how well that's working in Venezuela. But I digress.
If the market won't bear Frank's price increase then he will lose money, go broke, whatever, and prices will fall to their point of equilibrium. Greed has little to do with it. I'm as greedy as the next guy. I think my rates should be a lot closer to $1 K / hour. But if I greedily try to charge that, somebody else will step up and do what I do for a fraction of that price. My greed is kept in check by the free market.
On the flip side, if I can sell an item for, say, $100, why would I consider selling it for $50? I used to attend Angels games quite frequently. Maybe 3+ times per month. Then prices became silly, and I refused to drop over $100/ game for upper level seats. Greed on Artie Moreno's part? Perhaps. But they sell the seats to somebody, so why should I get special dispensation? I'm not happy about it, but there it is.
Now to your point about problems being man-made, absolutely. There is a HUGE dearth of parking near the border. Much of that problem can be laid at the feet of Uncle Sam, who sucked up a giant chunk of available parking to expand the border facilities. There isn't a greed problem at the border, there is a serious supply problem. To exacerbate, I'm sure there are some folks who realize this and would like to build more parking. Why don't they? You know attorneys are involved somehow. Maybe buying up a couple old buildings and razing them, then paving the lots, would help. But there must be some wacko somewhere who would object on some environmental grounds or other. Add that to the fact that CA land is so freaking expensive, it may not be economically feasible to buy land and create more parking. The price might wind up being even more expensive than today.
I avoid the problem completely by simply driving into Mexico and parking there. Maybe not a perfect solution, but it beats fighting the parking situation in SD.
Thanks I live down here and am well aware of trolley parking BUT its only for 24 hrs. I need 4- 7 days parking.Wait, I'm confused. You live in the SD area? And you have a car? Can't you just park wherever you currently park and Uber / bus to the train / trolley station?
You can park legally for three days in streets. If you park in front of the houses near the beach it would be a week, probly three weeks till a neighbor calls it in. Take bus to trolley line. I don't pay to park in any state or any country. The 8 dollars for 12 hours at the border was first time I paid to park in decades. I only did it twice so I could nap in the car for few hours after drinking.
KC Questor
10-12-19, 05:51
Wait, I'm confused. You live in the SD area? And you have a car? Can't you just park wherever you currently park and Uber / bus to the train / trolley station?If more people took advantage of public transportation there wouldn't be as big a problem with parking.
It's not in your face anything, really, it's the simple law of supply and demand. There is no demand on the weekdays. His lot sits 2/3 empty. It puts a lot of unnecessary hurt on people. If there was a line waiting to get in it would make sense but there is no line. He does really well on weekends why not give back to the community during the week and why leave your lot 2/3 empty?
Wait, I'm confused. You live in the SD area? And you have a car? Can't you just park wherever you currently park and Uber / bus to the train / trolley station?What's the confusion about?
Uber $120 RT (2 x's a month) = $240 to get to Tijuana and back plus rent plus expenses.
Coaster / Trolley 3 hrs.
DRIVE 35 minutes.
I am moving closer to South Bay when my lease expires next Nov.
Problem Solved.
What's the confusion about?
Uber $120 RT (2 x's a month) = $240 to get to Tijuana and back plus rent plus expenses.
Coaster / Trolley 3 hrs.
DRIVE 35 minutes.
I am moving closer to South Bay when my lease expires next Nov.
Problem Solved.If you live in the Los Angeles area take the Greyhound bus to San Ysidro station (right next to pedeast crossing and trolley station). Greyhound Express travel time about 3 hours only one stop in San Diego and the price is around $ 40 R / T. Regular Greyhound bus stops in San Diego, Oceanside, Santa Ana, Anaheim, Long Beach about 4 hours travel time. Link www.greyhound.com.
If you live in the Los Angeles area take the Greyhound bus to San Ysidro station (right next to pedeast crossing and trolley station). Greyhound Express travel time about 3 hours only one stop in San Diego and the price is around $ 40 R / T. Regular Greyhound bus stops in San Diego, Oceanside, Santa Ana, Anaheim, Long Beach about 4 hours travel time. Link www.greyhound.com.I knew someone who used to take the $1 bus from LA directly to the border. That's the way to go!
There is no demand on the weekdays. His lot sits 2/3 empty. It puts a lot of unnecessary hurt on people. If there was a line waiting to get in it would make sense but there is no line. He does really well on weekends why not give back to the community during the week and why leave your lot 2/3 empty?Why, indeed. I have never parked there, and don't know the guy. I don't know what his P&L statement looks like, either. I do know that there is only a little room for altruism in the free market. Recent history is littered with examples of business who tried to operate under an altruistic model and failed. One that springs to mind is the place that served meals priced on the basis of one's ability to pay.
It's possible that the gummint levied more taxes on parking lots, forcing a price increase. I've seen that at LAX in the past. Or, attendants' salaries are on the rise and the rates rise to compensate. The looming $15 minimum wage will have a knock-on effect. Or, who knows what else. These are hypothetical reasons why a business might raise prices.
Regardless, the question is does the market support the price increase? If there is a surplus of available parking alternatives, the answer will be no, he will lose money during the week, and prices will fall. If there are no alternatives then the price increase will remain. It seems there are few parking alternatives in the area and it's very much a seller's market. I don't like it, you don't like it, nobody but the parking lot companies like it. Normally the free market would increase supply, but there are government forces involved so it doesn't.
We can extend this to many facets of everyday life. I travel and I absolutely hate being at the mercy of shops at airports. A $4 sandwich anywhere else is $12 at the airport. A $1 bag of pretzels is $5. Even when the airport is slow prices remain the same. Why can't they give back to the community when there are few travelers? Why are prices so high? Obviously they have a monopoly. You're a captive. Don't like it? Screw you. Starve. The question is, why is there a monopoly? A quasi-government body has given them exclusive rights to operate at the airport and they take full advantage. My point is that most of the time when the free market fails is due to the actions of some governing body or other. Greed (or at least the ability to take advantage of the situation) only flourishes in this sort of environment. Were this not the case, some enterprising person would be going hammer and tongs building a parking structure at the border.
In other words, don't hate the system, hate the assholes running (read rigging) the system.
What's the confusion about?
Uber $120 RT (2 x's a month) = $240 to get to Tijuana and back plus rent plus expenses.
Coaster / Trolley 3 hrs.
DRIVE 35 minutes.
I am moving closer to South Bay when my lease expires next Nov.
Problem Solved.The confusion was simply me misinterpreting the meaning of "I live down here" in your previous post. I assumed it meant in SD or nearby. If you're north of SD and the only alternatives are the Coaster or Uber, then no. Public forms of transport are, indeed, at a minimum.
I know the trolley from America Plaza to SY is about 45 minutes. Why does Coaster take over 2 hours? I ask because I used to take Amtrak on occasion. It was about 2 hours from Anaheim, then 45 minutes on the trolley from the SAN terminal.
Mega Bus. $1. 0 ride Union Station to San Yasidro. First three seats booking. Service unavailable now.
Flex bus?
I knew someone who used to take the $1 bus from LA directly to the border. That's the way to go!
ScatManDoo
10-14-19, 00:07
In other words, don't hate the system, hate the assholes running (read rigging) the system.I thought Artistype was indeed hating on the owner asshole with his system of gouging weekday parkers.
Seems like the right place to direct his hate.
Isn't Frank the American Cocksucker the one running the system?
DTLA to DTSD to SY Border.
Flix Bus. SD Trolley.
Starting at $4.95 + 2.00 + optional seat assignment $1.49 +trolley fare.
3 to 3.25 hrs travel time.
Mega Bus. $1. 0 ride Union Station to San Yasidro. First three seats booking. Service unavailable now.
Flix bus
I thought Artistype was indeed hating on the owner asshole with his system of gouging weekday parkers.
Seems like the right place to direct his hate.
Isn't Frank the American Cocksucker the one running the system?No, he's not. I realize this is deep but try to keep up.
Now I may be wrong. Perhaps, as you posit, Frank is more or less singlehandedly responsible for the parking problems at the border. His avarice is to blame for all of us paying inflated parking rates. I don't know the guy, so I don't know his reasoning behind raising rates. If you do, and if he's confided these reasons to you, please share. But in the real world I don't think we have enough evidence to determine if these price increases were due to market conditions, or to Frank simply gouging customers for the hell of it.
However, I do know that the parking situation at the border has been terrible for a long time. So long that normal market forces would have compensated, or begun to compensate, by now. When you have a situation like that you can bet your sweet ass that some gov't agency, or a bunch of attorneys, or often both, are behind it. These are the people rigging the system. I kinda thought that was obvious from my post, but I guess it went over your head.
For whatever reason the supply of parking at the border has been artificially limited. Frank may be the one responsible for it, although I seriously doubt it. If he is, then he deserves all of your invective. But I suspect that he is merely an easy scapegoat for a much larger problem. Blaming capitalism for price increases due to the government limiting the supply of a product / service is like blaming the fire department for fires started by arsonists.
I thought Artistype was indeed hating on the owner asshole with his system of gouging weekday parkers.
Seems like the right place to direct his hate.
Isn't Frank the American Cocksucker the one running the system?LOL.
Love It.
By the way guess who I ran into in the alley today ? The parking lot attendant of Border Station Parking !
He was a really nice guy. He told me alot of customers use Groupon when they park. I will look to see.
And yeah he thinks Frank sucks D tambien.
ScatManDoo
10-15-19, 04:40
No, he's not. I realize this is deep but try to keep up.
Now I may be wrong. Perhaps, as you posit, Frank is more or less singlehandedly responsible for the parking problems at the border. His avarice is to blame for all of us paying inflated parking rates. I don't know the guy, so I don't know his reasoning behind raising rates. If you do, and if he's confided these reasons to you, please share. But in the real world I don't think we have enough evidence to determine if these price increases were due to market conditions, or to Frank simply gouging customers for the hell of it.
However, I do know that the parking situation at the border has been terrible for a long time. So long that normal market forces would have compensated, or begun to compensate, by now. When you have a situation like that you can bet your sweet ass that some gov't agency, or a bunch of attorneys, or often both, are behind it. These are the people rigging the system. I kinda thought that was obvious from my post, but I guess it went over your head.If you think that existing parking lot owners have nothing to do with the scarcity of available parking options. I know some bookies interested in having you as a client.
Looks like all the street parking around the mall was removed-- with a bike lane in its place. Yet another parking options bites the dust.
Looks like all the street parking around the mall was removed-- with a bike lane in its place. Yet another parking options bites the dust.I saw that a month ago. There's parking near the hotels, motel 6, it's just side of the road, and a mile or so walk to the border. I'd leave the car window open though. A window is hundreds to replace and I've had them break two at once.
If you think that existing parking lot owners have nothing to do with the scarcity of available parking options. I know some bookies interested in having you as a client.I'm sure many of the parking lot owners are happy about the shortage. But if you have any evidence that they are colluding to prevent other operators from entering the market, or, even better, driving them out, then by all means share. Maybe you could win an anti-trust suit and retire to Tijuana with your bookies.
ParkWhiz.com and Border Station Parking
The only day I have found that is a Pain to find parking is Saturday afternoon's. I still like parking at Border Station parking and before you drive down you can pay online with ParkWhiz.com or download the ParkWhiz app. The advantage is if you prepay and they and the lot is full. They will let you come in and hunt around for a space to open up compared to just sitting in line with those who didn't prepay and are just waiting for people to leave. It gives you a little advantage.
I know the place isn't the cheapest but I still like using them.
When you come in instead of using a credit card you just show them your paid QR code they will send you and enter your phone number into the entry box at the parking lot.
When you leave just give the attendant your phone number and he will open gate for you.
Goyo.
Associated Press MARK STEVENSON, Associated Press Sat, Oct 19 12:05 PM PDT.
EL AGUAJE, Mexico (AP) — The Mexican city of Culiacan lived under drug cartel terror for 12 hours as gang members forced the government to free a drug lord's son, but in many parts of Mexico, the government ceded the battle to the gangs long ago. . .
But in state after state, the Mexican government long ago relinquished effective control of whole towns, cities and regions to the drug cartels.
"They are the law here. If you have a problem, you go to them. They solve it quickly," said a young mother in the town of El Aguaje, in western Michoacan state. El Aguaje is so completely controlled by the Jalisco New Generation Cartel that the young wife of lime-grove worker. Who would not give her name for fear of reprisals. Can't turn to police: They are too afraid to enter the town.
In some cases, the government has even defended cartel boundaries, apparently as part of its strategy of avoiding bloodshed at all costs.
The cartel grip in Tamaulipas was so firm by 2011 that Zetas gunmen were able to kidnap almost 200 people from passing buses and kill them even as the passengers' unclaimed luggage kept piling up at local bus stations. Nobody reported the crimes for months.
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who took office less than a year ago, has repeatedly urged military restraint, saying his predecessors' hardline confrontation strategy in gang-controlled areas "turned this country into a cemetery, and we don't want that anymore. ".
Average citizens in many zones, meanwhile, can only hope the most benign cartel comes to rule in their town. The problem is that almost all of the cartels promise to respect the local population and not kidnap them or shake them down for protection money. But all of the gangs eventually break that promise.
"It does send a very sobering signal, I think, to Mexico and arguably to Mexico's USA Partners," said Shirk. "If I were going to write the next State Department advisory for Mexico, I would dramatically increase this number and the number of advisories that I had for different parts of Mexico, because it's very clear that the federal government is ceding territory. And not just rural territory, but major cities and perhaps even entire states to drug traffickers. ".
https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-parts-mexico-government-ceded-160540791.html
Commenter "Gun control laws work great in Mexico! Shining example for the USA and rest of the world!" LOL.
Another "It's about the money guys, I am Mexican / American and have lived in Mazatlan as a kid. Cartels pay in dollars, the government pays in pesos. Soldier gets a salary of 500 peso $ a month, the cartel comes by and offers $500 dollars a week. ".
I saw that a month ago. There's parking near the hotels, motel 6, it's just side of the road, and a mile or so walk to the border. I'd leave the car window open though. A window is hundreds to replace and I've had them break two at once.I've yet to see anyone using the bike lane. These used to be good free spots for late night quick runs.
Another fine example of how a government action has constrained supply and forced up prices.
FYI: I left my car in the parking lot with the Ross one time, had too much fun and came back a little late, around 11 pm-- it was towed at 10 pm. Cost me about $180 and over an hour waiting for the tow lot to open up.
I've yet to see anyone using the bike lane. These used to be good free spots for late night quick runs.
Another fine example of how a government action has constrained supply and forced up prices.
FYI: I left my car in the parking lot with the Ross one time, had too much fun and came back a little late, around 11 pm-- it was towed at 10 pm. Cost me about $180 and over an hour waiting for the tow lot to open up.I wonder if a lot people use the outlet lot. If you park by 1 pm, walk around stores 30 minutes, to throw off security, then walk out the end close to border, you can go crazy in Mexico forba good 5 hours before you return. Maybe change shirts in bathroom to throw off security guys watching on camera. Ha.
KC Questor
10-23-19, 04:04
Complete nonsense. A clerk at Oxxo makes $500 pesos in two days. No way does a soldier make $500 pesos a month.Yeah, that's clearly a very dated quote, if it was ever correct.
Yeah, that's clearly a very dated quote, if it was ever correct.An article from last year.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/mexico-police-officers-underpaid-equipped-180729120903772.html
KC Questor
10-25-19, 04:21
An article from last year.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/mexico-police-officers-underpaid-equipped-180729120903772.htmlI don't know what happened to the post from Clamslammer that I was responding to, but I don't see it any more. Anyway, the article you mentioned says:
About 45 percent of the police officers Causa En Comun surveyed said that they received a salary of less than $600 a month.But it also says:
"If you get paid 200 bucks a month, and organised crime comes and gives you $1,000 a month, of course, you're going to take it," Figueroa said.
US$600 per month is MX$11,000 pesos per month.
US$200 per month is MX$3,700 pesos per month.
Both are much higher than $500 pesos per month mentioned in the post I was talking about.
Seems like most of drug dealers have disappeared in the zona. Hopefully they have gone away. It's ridiculous that they were selling dope so openly. !!
Had the weirdest experience Friday night. I just came out of the West end of the alley and turned right towards La Perla restaurant, flirting with some chicas when this 200 lbs shemale (I think) aggressively jumped out with two hands out, one at my chest like a stiff arm Heisman pose and the other hand reaching for my crotch. Out of complete reflex, I deflected the hand towards my crotch, blocked the stiff arm and thumbed the shemale at the collar bone where there is a sensitive nerve, breaking his balance. While he was off balance and standing on one leg, I walked very fast away because I was shocked that I may have assaulted a woman. Everything happened so quick, I was just glad I got out of there without getting my ass kicked. Then I realize that the she moved just like a guy, built like a guy, and was aggressive like a guy. Hence probably a shemale. Anyways, I just wanted to warn a couple of people here about the aggressive shemale at that location. Never seen this person before.
I do apologize to the gay community. I do not hold any prejudice against anyone and do not think that all shemales are bad. But getting aggressively approached like that was not cool. At least I didn't break his jaw.
MemoeNasty
10-28-19, 04:48
Had the weirdest experience Friday night. I just came out of the West end of the alley and turned right towards La Perla restaurant, flirting with some chicas when this 200 lbs shemale (I think) aggressively jumped out with two hands out, one at my chest like a stiff arm Heisman pose and the other hand reaching for my crotch. Out of complete reflex, I deflected the hand towards my crotch, blocked the stiff arm and thumbed the shemale at the collar bone where there is a sensitive nerve, breaking his balance. While he was off balance and standing on one leg, I walked very fast away because I was shocked that I may have assaulted a woman. Everything happened so quick, I was just glad I got out of there without getting my ass kicked. Then I realize that the she moved just like a guy, built like a guy, and was aggressive like a guy. Hence probably a shemale. Anyways, I just wanted to warn a couple of people here about the aggressive shemale at that location. Never seen this person before.
I do apologize to the gay community. I do not hold any prejudice against anyone and do not think that all shemales are bad. But getting aggressively approached like that was not cool. At least I didn't break his jaw.I'm not surprised! I've seen TS's in that area before even during daytime hours. The old Kinkle club used to be right up the block. Years ago there were a lot in that area. Whenever those freaks try to get near me or ever try to grab at my arm I just get away from them ASAP. I never try to put my hands on anyone in a threatening way. Who knows if they'll go running to the cops and cause you a bunch of issues. I always like to put my hands in my pocket when they come near me too. They're notorious for pick pocketing. Moe.
There's a whole 'nother red light zone on Calle Primera between Martinez and Mutualismo. These ladies were all born with penises.
Buyer beware!
I remember the waiter in Azuls saying the street to the west of the alley wasn't good to be on. But the street to the east of the alley was OK.
What you mentioned was consistent with what he said. Stay away from the street on the west. I have not checked out the girls on the street to the east yet so just on the alley itself I found one really nice girl.
Had the weirdest experience Friday night. I just came out of the West end of the alley and turned right towards La Perla restaurant, flirting with some chicas when this 200 lbs shemale (I think) aggressively jumped out with two hands out, one at my chest like a stiff arm Heisman pose and the other hand reaching for my crotch. Out of complete reflex, I deflected the hand towards my crotch, blocked the stiff arm and thumbed the shemale at the collar bone where there is a sensitive nerve, breaking his balance. While he was off balance and standing on one leg, I walked very fast away because I was shocked that I may have assaulted a woman. Everything happened so quick, I was just glad I got out of there without getting my ass kicked. Then I realize that the she moved just like a guy, built like a guy, and was aggressive like a guy. Hence probably a shemale. Anyways, I just wanted to warn a couple of people here about the aggressive shemale at that location. Never seen this person before.
I do apologize to the gay community. I do not hold any prejudice against anyone and do not think that all shemales are bad. But getting aggressively approached like that was not cool. At least I didn't break his jaw.
MemoeNasty
10-30-19, 06:04
There's a whole 'nother red light zone on Calle Primera between Martinez and Mutualismo. These ladies were all born with penises.
Buyer beware!I think we're all aware of that! Instead of buyer beware I think buyer should stay away. Even if trans are your thing, that part of town is not good, especially at night. Motel el deseo is down that way and there's always setups going on and police fucking around. Plus, most of the TS's in Tijuana are crystal freaks which make them aggressive and intolerable. Wander around there drunk and you will surely be robbed. Every now and again one will be mixed in with the paraditas near zacazonapan. Moe.
Was walking to my car this morning and crossed Constitucion. A policia van at a high rate of speed drove the wrong way up the street and jammed on the brakes next to me. 2 young policia then got out and asked if I spoke Spanish. "Un poquito". They then said they were going to search me for drugs, so I took out my cellphone and put it up against the van in plain view in my hand. The policia thoroughly searched my pants pockets to discover I had no wallet there but did not search my shirt pockets and missed my hideaway neck wallet, so I am guessing they were looking for some extra holiday cash. Warning. Keep your cash hidden because the holidays are here and the policia look like they want to shake the tourist money trees walking around!
Yeah I used one of those hotels. In daylight, hotel security made me get off sidewalk he was very convinced I'd get robbed waiting for my uber. I did walk back and forth to HK though at 2 am. I don't have the discipline to pay a cab for a 5 minute walk so that's when I started only us in ng HK and Adelitas. Otherwise I'm always wandering around looking for God knows what.
Was walking to my car this morning and crossed Constitucion. A policia van at a high rate of speed drove the wrong way up the street and jammed on the brakes next to me. 2 young policia then got out and asked if I spoke Spanish. "Un poquito". They then said they were going to search me for drugs, so I took out my cellphone and put it up against the van in plain view in my hand. The policia thoroughly searched my pants pockets to discover I had no wallet there but did not search my shirt pockets and missed my hideaway neck wallet, so I am guessing they were looking for some extra holiday cash. Warning. Keep your cash hidden because the holidays are here and the policia look like they want to shake the tourist money trees walking around!Not unusual. Also most won't steal your money. If they find drugs or a knife they will then make you pay $$ My first day ever in Tijuana, same story. Van pulls up "get in the van". I've been stopped 4 times.
MemoeNasty
10-31-19, 05:03
Not unusual. Also most won't steal your money. If they find drugs or a knife they will then make you pay $$ My first day ever in Tijuana, same story. Van pulls up "get in the van". I've been stopped 4 times.I agree with this post that most police will not steal your money. I've been stopped walking more times than I can count in that city and it's always the same. Hands up against the wall, searched me for drugs and weapons then let me go. Never take any money, never asked me for money, never planted dope on me and then said what's this? Lotta myths about Tijuana. Anything can happen but I stopped listening to the storytellers a long time ago. Moe.
ClamSlammer
10-31-19, 08:38
You guys that claim that most Tijuana cops will not steal your money, well, are seriously confused. Every single cop in the Zona is out to steal your money! Whether they actually steal your money or not depends on a variety of circumstances. But they most definitely are out to steal money, and they are interested in little else besides stealing. If you are walking down the street, minding your own business and then stopped and searched, do you really think the cops stopped you because they seriously suspect you of having drugs? If you think that, you are probably right and on crack. The one and only reason a cop will stop and search you is because they want to steal your money! If they feel the circumstances permit, they will steal your money. They read your demeanor, count your cash, assess potential witnesses and the chance of being reported and then decide whether it is worth the risk to steal your money. Even if you are found to be breaking the law somehow, and you voluntarily pay a "fine" on the spot, that is still stealing. If they were really interested in fighting the drug trade they would arrest the "cuantos" guys that openly sell rocks on the street. Tijuana cops have absolutely no interest in stopping the drug trade. All they are interested in is stealing your money, and that couldn't be more obvious.
Dcrist0527
10-31-19, 13:56
I agree with this post that most police will not steal your money. I've been stopped walking more times than I can count in that city and it's always the same. Hands up against the wall, searched me for drugs and weapons then let me go. Never take any money, never asked me for money, never planted dope on me and then said what's this? Lotta myths about Tijuana. Anything can happen but I stopped listening to the storytellers a long time ago. Moe.I have spent quite a lot of time in Tijuana over the last two years. And I'm going to be increasing that frequency. I have only been stopped once. That was just recently while I was riding in a cab. I suspect I know the reason why but can't confirm. As we were leaving the zona, a very distressed woman just tried getting in the cab. The driver, who was on the phone, just started yelling. Honestly, at first, I was worried it was some set up. She left the cab just as quickly. But three blocks later, the police pulled the cab over.
They spoke to the driver for about 2 seconds then saw me in the back seat. They then lost all interest in the driver. LOL I started to worry because I did have a lot of cash on me. Roughly $200. They asked plenty of questions. It was rapid fire from the 2 police officers. I struggled to keep up as my Spanish is somewhat limited. They asked where I work, how often I visit Tijuana, where I learned Spanish and then asked me to get out. I took everything out of my pockets. Phone, wallet, cash, gum. Placed it on the trunk. While one frisked me, the other searched my belongings. Asked about drugs. He saw how much cash I had and just set it down. Then sent me on my way. Not a dime missing. This was fairly late at night on the way back to Ticuan.
So, really, as frightening as it was in the moment, I have no complaints. They were respectful and professional. Perhaps the most surprising part of this story is that I left HK with $200 still in my pocket. LOL.
Dcrist0527
10-31-19, 17:29
You guys that claim that most Tijuana cops will not steal your money, well, are seriously confused. Every single cop in the Zona is out to steal your money! Whether they actually steal your money or not depends on a variety of circumstances. But they most definitely are out to steal money, and they are interested in little else besides stealing. If you are walking down the street, minding your own business and then stopped and searched, do you really think the cops stopped you because they seriously suspect you of having drugs? If you think that, you are probably right and on crack. The one and only reason a cop will stop and search you is because they want to steal your money! If they feel the circumstances permit, they will steal your money. They read your demeanor, count your cash, assess potential witnesses and the chance of being reported and then decide whether it is worth the risk to steal your money. Even if you are found to be breaking the law somehow, and you voluntarily pay a "fine" on the spot, that is still stealing. If they were really interested in fighting the drug trade they would arrest the "cuantos" guys that openly sell rocks on the street. Tijuana cops have absolutely no interest in stopping the drug trade. All they are interested in is stealing your money, and that couldn't be more obvious."Every Single Cop Will Steal Your Money"? Demonstrably false. But the fear mongering will never stop. So users are left to judge credibility. Making broad statements that every single cop will steal your money does nothing to boost credibility in my book.
Of course everyone should be aware of their situation. And of course there are crooked cops out there. But as I, and another posted stated in the last day or so, we each had a recent interaction without a dime taken. Demonstrably false.
"Every Single Cop Will Steal Your Money"? Demonstrably false. But the fear mongering will never stop. So users are left to judge credibility. Making broad statements that every single cop will steal your money does nothing to boost credibility in my book.
Of course everyone should be aware of their situation. And of course there are crooked cops out there. But as I, and another posted stated in the last day or so, we each had a recent interaction without a dime taken. Demonstrably false.Yeah the police never looked in my wallet any of the times. In fact, they told me "hold your wallet". I don't leave cash in pockets. It's generally in napkin under sock. Money will disintegrate if not wrapped in something. With that being said, I don't test the police. I won't talk to girls if I see a policia. If I'm talking to a girl, and policia swings through or military, I walk away. Even standing still looking at your phone is begging the cops to stop you. They do speak to me more politely than american cops, and all spoke English. The 1st encounter scared me, made me angry, kept me out of Mexico for a long time. I don't take limo to HK, because I don't want to be stopped with 200 on me. Some people in taxis have been stopped leaving HK, maybe coming. And then had money taken few months ago people were writing that.
Captain Solo
10-31-19, 19:27
When stopped by policia, know your rights. Don't let them bully you. Ask to see their name, badge and ID number. Record their car number, date time witnesses ect.
Insist you did not break any laws and don't get in their car or truck. If accused of DUI, insist they test you on the spot or you won't go anywhere. Tell them to go ahead and write up their ticket or take you to the judge.
Only pussies are afraid and bribe or let policia steal from them.
ClamSlammer
10-31-19, 20:54
"Every Single Cop Will Steal Your Money"? Demonstrably false. But as I, and another posted stated in the last day or so, we each had a recent interaction without a dime taken. Demonstrably false.Your naivete is off the scale here. Just because they don't actually steal anything doesn't mean they didn't intend to. So you are saying the cops stopped and searched you because they had probable cause due to you acting very suspiciously? The cops legitimately thought you were in the drug trade due to your actions? There were not 20 other obvious dealers / junkies within a block they could have detained? When mongers riding in cabs / Ubers get pulled over and searched it's because the cops had legit probably cause? LOL.
Bottom line: 100% of the time, with never, ever an exception, if the cops stop and search you while you were doing nothing suspicious, it is because they intend to steal from you!
KC Questor
11-01-19, 00:16
"Every Single Cop Will Steal Your Money"? Demonstrably false. But the fear mongering will never stop. So users are left to judge credibility. Making broad statements that every single cop will steal your money does nothing to boost credibility in my book.
Of course everyone should be aware of their situation. And of course there are crooked cops out there. But as I, and another posted stated in the last day or so, we each had a recent interaction without a dime taken. Demonstrably false.Police in Tijuana pay a bribe to their superiors to get stationed in a good part of the city. Maybe they pay to get away from the dangerous, high-crime parts, but many of them pay to get stationed where they can steal from tourists. Maybe not all police are crooks, but they paid to be in the zona for a reason.
The Tenderloin district in New York was supposedly named that because police stationed there got enough bribe money to afford to eat tenderloin steak. Same deal in Tijuana.
Dcrist0527
11-01-19, 16:22
Your naivete is off the scale here. Just because they don't actually steal anything doesn't mean they didn't intend to. So you are saying the cops stopped and searched you because they had probable cause due to you acting very suspiciously? The cops legitimately thought you were in the drug trade due to your actions? There were not 20 other obvious dealers / junkies within a block they could have detained? When mongers riding in cabs / Ubers get pulled over and searched it's because the cops had legit probably cause? LOL.
Bottom line: 100% of the time, with never, ever an exception, if the cops stop and search you while you were doing nothing suspicious, it is because they intend to steal from you!I took exception to your statement that every cop will steal from you. Clearly, that is not true. And it is inflammatory and fear mongering. In my specific case, if they intended to rob me, they had a golden opportunity. They knew I had a large amount of cash. We were on a dark side road in the middle of the night in centro. I can't say definitively why we were stopped. As I mentioned, that crazy woman coming to the cab and getting out was very odd. But, they also appeared to be surprised to see me in the back of the car when they walked up. So. While it was an inconvenience and a bit intimidating, it all ended quick enough, without me losing a dime.
I am not out here saying there aren't crooked police in Tijuana. And yes, the quotas they pay their superiors is well known and well documented. But stating all police WILL rob you serves nothing but to put fear in people. Why wasn't I robbed? Why were we stopped? I don't know. But I do believe speaking to them firmly but with respect helped my cause.
As Captain said, be firm. Don't be a pushover. Demand respect. And because there are crooked cops, I avoid them if at all possible. But I don't fear an interaction and assume that I'll be robbed "without exception".
It's not in your face anything, really, it's the simple law of supply and demand. Adam Smith's invisible hand at work. Houses, parking spaces, or coffee. If demand exceeds supply, prices will rise. Price is the method used to allocate scarce resources. The other way would be for some unelected bureaucrat to mandate some price he considered to be "fair. " We've seen how well that's working in Venezuela. But I digress.Actually the idea the the market is fair and free is an outdated concept. Let me update you on something that which my college academic advisor collaborated that won a Nobel prize for economics. The concept was Bounded Rationality. His name was James G. March. Furthering the work Richard Thaler also won it in 2017 for his work on limited rationality. That addresses the participants in the market. Furthermore you go on to contradict yourself in your post about the "invisible hand at work" by illustrating the direct effect the government is having on supply and demand in that particular market. It does not matter if the government has entered the market to buy land directly, subsidizing farmers, dumping oil from the strategic reserve or implementing regulations, any intervention means that Adam Smith's invisible hand is being held by the government very visible one. Knocking that theory down like a dick in the dirt.
Those are the actual facts of the situation. And facts a stubborn things. Had opinions not been interjected as if they were facts it would have been a much more informative piece. I park at Otay mesa and walk over. Never a problem. Never a line. This also represents another way to handle market conditions you are not happy with:
"If you girl starts acting up, then you fuck her friend" - Sugerhill Gang.
Actually the idea the the market is fair and free is an outdated concept. Let me update you on something that which my college academic advisor collaborated that won a Nobel prize for economics. The concept was Bounded Rationality. His name was James G. March. Furthering the work Richard Thaler also won it in 2017 for his work on limited rationality. That addresses the participants in the market. Furthermore you go on to contradict yourself in your post about the "invisible hand at work" by illustrating the direct effect the government is having on supply and demand in that particular market. It does not matter if the government has entered the market to buy land directly, subsidizing farmers, dumping oil from the strategic reserve or implementing regulations, any intervention means that Adam Smith's invisible hand is being held by the government very visible one. Knocking that theory down like a dick in the dirt.
Those are the actual facts of the situation. And facts a stubborn things. Had opinions not been interjected as if they were facts it would have been a much more informative piece. I park at Otay mesa and walk over. Never a problem. Never a line. This also represents another way to handle market conditions you are not happy with:
"If you girl starts acting up, then you fuck her friend" - Sugerhill Gang.Next tell us all about your stable of hos you used to have, Mr. Sugar Daddy. Did nobody talk to you on the other board so you're back here? Guess who's getting ignored here, too?
For the naive true believers in the Tijuana police force, there is a website discussing Policia ripoffs of tourists. It isn't just Clamslammer's opinion on this. "Corrupt Police Scam: Mexico is infamous for its corrupt police, trying to rip off unsuspecting tourists by intimidating them and abusing their power. Most tourists will be happy to pay up after being threatened to be thrown into a Mexican jail.
In the past, police corruption was such a widespread and omnipresent phenomenon in Mexico, that cops even had to pay hundreds of Dollars every week to their chief, in order to be protected against complaints from extorted tourists or locals. They then had to earn that money back, on top of their regular loot, by wringing the tourists even more. . . But beware if you rent a car in the US and drive it across the border, as an American car with US license plates acts like a magnet to corrupt Mexican cops.
TIP: Never hand over your driving license. Make copies before you travel and only hand over the copy. You can them show the original, but don't let the cops get their hands on it, as this will give them leverage to extort money from you in order to give it back.
Split your cash over different wallets or different pockets. If a corrupt police officer asks you how many cash you have on you, you can show him one set of bills and hope it is enough to satisfy his desire for. Never let them notice you have any other money on you, because they won't let you go until they have all the cash you've got. And if you don't have a lot of cash to show, they are more likely to consider you as an uninteresting prey and may even let you go without paying anything. . . ".
http://tourist-scams.com/tourist-scam-destinations/tijuana/corrupt-police-scam/
Naive dude: Flash your roll of cash in front of the Tijuana policia and let us know what happens. Practice your faith in the Tijuana policia and let them know you have a lot of dollars in your wallet! Then get back to the old hands who have visited Tijuana for years and let us know what happens to you!
Police in Tijuana pay a bribe to their superiors to get stationed in a good part of the city. Maybe they pay to get away from the dangerous, high-crime parts, but many of them pay to get stationed where they can steal from tourists. Maybe not all police are crooks, but they paid to be in the zona for a reason.
The Tenderloin district in New York was supposedly named that because police stationed there got enough bribe money to afford to eat tenderloin steak. Same deal in Tijuana.
ClamSlammer
11-02-19, 21:18
Actually the idea the the market is fair and free is an outdated concept. Let me update you on something that which my college academic advisor collaborated that won a Nobel prize for economics. The concept was Bounded Rationality. His name was James G. March. Furthering the work Richard Thaler also won it in 2017 for his work on limited rationality. That addresses the participants in the market. Furthermore you go on to contradict yourself in your post about the "invisible hand at work" by illustrating the direct effect the government is having on supply and demand in that particular market. It does not matter if the government has entered the market to buy land directly, subsidizing farmers, dumping oil from the strategic reserve or implementing regulations, any intervention means that Adam Smith's invisible hand is being held by the government very visible one. Knocking that theory down like a dick in the dirt.SubCmdr, your post makes perfect sense for those who are educated in the science of economics and are able understand advanced concepts. Then there are those who think what they learned in high school economics class is the know-all-end-all of economics. They were never educated beyond the basic concepts taught in high school such as supply and demand and the invisible hand. It's like a goldfish in a bowl that is incapable of being aware of a whole other world / universe outside it's bowl. It's easy to identify these high-school economics scholars because they tend to resort to personal attacks after being proven wrong. Perhaps it is wiser to just stick to Zona-related topics here as some members here are not quite as versed in economics as you are.
That being said, park wherever you want and cross whenever and wherever you want. I don't park in the lots on the USA Side so I don't keep track of price increases. But if one lot increases their price, others will follow suit, that is until the prices rise to a point where it is attractive to open a new lot, thus increasing supply and stabilizing prices. Perhaps some day they will build a parking megastructure like there is on the Tijuana side which would hopefully provide mongers a secure, convenient parking location at a reasonable price.
Dcrist0527
11-02-19, 22:56
Naive dude: Flash your roll of cash in front of the Tijuana policia and let us know what happens. Practice your faith in the Tijuana policia and let them know you have a lot of dollars in your wallet! Then get back to the old hands who have visited Tijuana for years and let us know what happens to you!Be glad to let you know, since clearly you missed the posts where I explained it. They looked in my wallet that had $200. What did they do? They handed it back to me. All of it. And sent me on my way. Any other questions?
And I am not waving the blue flag for Tijuana police. There are plenty of corrupt cops. Again, as I said, their mordidas and superiors' bribes are well known and well documented. I'll say it once more and then I'm done repeating myself. My issue is with the statement was that "every" officer "will" rob you. I don't think Clam needs any backup and you do make some valid points. But, the sky isn't falling.
The funny part of this board. People complain that HK is horrible. The police rob everyone at every opportunity. Yet, people continue to come. Tijuana is not hurting for gringos and HK is making quite the profit. I just ask myself, if it is as bad as some portray it, why do people go there? Why do the doom and gloomers still go?
"If you girl starts acting up, then you fuck her friend" - Sugerhill Gang.I agree! LOL.
Did you read any of the numerous posts of victims of the Tijuana policia on the website? You were likely in a public area with lots of witnesses and the policia were afraid to rob you in public. Here are recent victim's accounts:
"Same thing happened to me the other night. It was a short chubby police officer. As I got in the cab. I noticed that the cab driver got on his phone and mumbled something. Next thing I know there is a cop behind us flashing his lights. He asked us both to get out of the car and put our hands on the hood. I found it interesting that the cop did not frisk the cab driver and only frisked me. He asked if I had any drugs on me. I told him no. He emptied out my pockets and took my money out of my wallet. The cab driver distracted me by asking what I did for a living. I guess when I turned to talk to him during that split second. The cop took $80 out of my wallet. The cop let us go. The cab driver kept apologizing, but I suspect he was in on it as well."
"This past Saturday night a Friend drop me off on the east border crossing, and a policia truck waved me down and tried to take me down to there station accusing me of being on drugs. They were about to take me until I called my friend who lives out there and he talk to them. They let me go with $200 still my wallet but I heard them say the spot where we were that had cameras."
You should trust old Tijuana hands like Clamslammer who has been around and knows the score. You are swimming with Tijuana policia sharks and somehow didn't get bitten this time. Next time, who knows what they will do to you?
Be glad to let you know, since clearly you missed the posts where I explained it. They looked in my wallet that had $200. What did they do? They handed it back to me. All of it. And sent me on my way. Any other questions?
And I am not waving the blue flag for Tijuana police. There are plenty of corrupt cops. Again, as I said, their mordidas and superiors' bribes are well known and well documented. I'll say it once more and then I'm done repeating myself. My issue is with the statement was that "every" officer "will" rob you. I don't think Clam needs any backup and you do make some valid points. But, the sky isn't falling.
The funny part of this board. People complain that HK is horrible. The police rob everyone at every opportunity. Yet, people continue to come. Tijuana is not hurting for gringos and HK is making quite the profit. I just ask myself, if it is as bad as some portray it, why do people go there? Why do the doom and gloomers still go?
Next tell us all about your stable of hos you used to have, Mr. Sugar Daddy. Did nobody talk to you on the other board so you're back here? Guess who's getting ignored here, too?Mr. Phordphan,
I've only made day trips into Tijuana. So you must have me confused with someone else. Never been a sugar daddy in Tijuana, but I do appreciate the title of Mr. What other board are you talking about? And just a quick check and you will see have any number of responses from my post. I've noticed that when the intellectual points made by a writer cannot be countered the personal attacks start.
Park where you want brother! And may the pussy be with you. Always!
For the naive true believers in the Tijuana police force, there is a website discussing Policia ripoffs of tourists. It isn't just Clamslammer's opinion on this. "Corrupt Police Scam: Mexico is infamous for its corrupt police, trying to rip off unsuspecting tourists by intimidating them and abusing their power. Most tourists will be happy to pay up after being threatened to be thrown into a Mexican jail.
In the past, police corruption was such a widespread and omnipresent phenomenon in Mexico, that cops even had to pay hundreds of Dollars every week to their chief, in order to be protected against complaints from extorted tourists or locals. They then had to earn that money back, on top of their regular loot, by wringing the tourists even more. . . But beware if you rent a car in the US and drive it across the border, as an American car with US license plates acts like a magnet to corrupt Mexican cops.
TIP: Never hand over your driving license. Make copies before you travel and only hand over the copy. You can them show the original, but don't let the cops get their hands on it, as this will give them leverage to extort money from you in order to give it back.
Split your cash over different wallets or different pockets. If a corrupt police officer asks you how many cash you have on you, you can show him one set of bills and hope it is enough to satisfy his desire for. Never let them notice you have any other money on you, because they won't let you go until they have all the cash you've got. And if you don't have a lot of cash to show, they are more likely to consider you as an uninteresting prey and may even let you go without paying anything. . . ".
http://tourist-scams.com/tourist-scam-destinations/tijuana/corrupt-police-scam/
Naive dude: Flash your roll of cash in front of the Tijuana policia and let us know what happens. Practice your faith in the Tijuana policia and let them know you have a lot of dollars in your wallet! Then get back to the old hands who have visited Tijuana for years and let us know what happens to you!There is so much bad information in this article I don't know where to start.
If a cop is really interested in you, he'll search you. He may find your hidden stash, too. Instead of this nonsense, first of all, CARRY PESOS. I can attest to the cops' attitude changing when they see you have a wad of MXN, not a wad of greenbacks. Second, KEEP YOUR MONEY IN YOUR HAND if you are searched. The cops have no right to handle your money. If they want to take you to the judge, go. Unless you did commit a crime the odds of them going through with it are small. They don't need the judge to start asking them why they're bringing random gringos into his courtroom for no good reason. And if they want to keep your DL, so what? You have a passport, right? Of course you do. So, worst case, you go home and report a lost DL.
I drive in Tijuana. A LOT. I have driven all over the city. I visit two or three times per month, and I always drive. There are shitloads of cars with CA plates. Lots of Mexicans own cars with CA plates. The only place I think you can make an argument about cops targeting CA plates is in the Zona Norte, where the odds of nabbing a gringo while DUI is quite high.
Over the years I have been stopped exactly 3 times by cops. Once in Mexicali for a not-quite-legal turn that the locals were making (the CA plates may have caused me to get pulled over this time), twice in Tijuana. Oh, and once on the road to Puerto Penasco by a Federal cop. News flash: they have the right to see your license and registration. Just try showing them your license and not actually handing it to them and see what happens. Anyway, in NONE of the cases did they even hint about keeping my license and extorting money. In the Mexicali case I gave the cop 200 pesos to not write me a ticket, I. E. Let's dispense with the colossal time wasting and be on our way. In one Tijuana case I got tired of fucking around with the guy and obliquely offered to pay a fine. He got 200 pesos. The third time the guy got nothing. The Federale never even hinted he wanted something.
I have been pulled over in a taxi when exiting HK, some years ago. The cop went through everything I had, looked in the taxi, thanked me and left. Nothing taken.
10 years ago I was "extorted" for $20 on Revu, back when there were no street lights, and a pair of cops stopped me and my fave before we got into the Hotel Espana. But I didn't know then what I know now.
Some years back a friend was on his way to Ensenada and got lost in Tijuana, stopped by some asshole and extorted for a couple hundred dollars. But my friend was very inexperienced and quite nervous.
OK. My point is that CA plates are not an automatic magnet for shakedowns. There are loads of corrupt cops in Tijuana, but not every one of them will shake you down at the drop of a hat. And if they do, if you PAY IN PESOS, you'll get out of it a lot cheaper. But to say that every cop will rob you is ridiculous on its face. Sooner or later you'll run into a bad cop. The key is to know how to handle the situation. Oh, and NEVER offer a bribe, and always PAY IN PESOS.
Dcrist0527
11-03-19, 22:18
Did you read any of the numerous posts of victims of the Tijuana policia on the website? You were likely in a public area with lots of witnesses and the policia were afraid to rob you in public. Here are recent victim's accounts:...First, as I mentioned to you, this was a dark, deserted street in the middle of the night. The only witness in sight was the taxi driver. Second, recent? That article was from 2015.
I'm just done with this discussion. You are not wrong. Bad things happen in some police interactions. I'm merely saying not every interaction is a disaster.
I dare say that I've spent as many, if not more days in Tijuana this year than most on this board. And I'll also say that the time I spend in the zona is typically in the wee hours of the morning. My point in saying that is if I was less familiar or a newbie, many on this board would scare me from ever going.
ClamSlammer
11-04-19, 00:23
Mr. Phordphan...I've noticed that when the intellectual points made by a writer cannot be countered the personal attacks start.Unfortunately, you are all too correct here. And it seems to be a frequent pattern for a particular poster here: write nonsense-get corrected by a factual, educated post-respond with personal attacks. I've found myself in a similar position to yours more than once. I don't see why posters can't just admit a mistake then move on, instead of personally attacking the person who proved them wrong.
ClamSlammer
11-04-19, 02:45
I took exception to your statement that every cop will steal from you. Clearly, that is not true. And it is inflammatory and fear mongering. In my specific case, if they intended to rob me, they had a golden opportunity. They knew I had a large amount of cash. We were on a dark side road in the middle of the night in centro. I can't say definitively why we were stopped. As I mentioned, that crazy woman coming to the cab and getting out was very odd. But, they also appeared to be surprised to see me in the back of the car when they walked up. So. While it was an inconvenience and a bit intimidating, it all ended quick enough, without me losing a dime.
I am not out here saying there aren't crooked police in Tijuana. And yes, the quotas they pay their superiors is well known and well documented. But stating all police WILL rob you serves nothing but to put fear in people. Why wasn't I robbed? Why were we stopped? I don't know. But I do believe speaking to them firmly but with respect helped my cause.OK, let me clear things up a little. There's probably several hundred Tijuana police officers. Obviously not every single one is a thief. But the overwhelming majority are. What I am saying is that if you are stopped and searched for no reason, then the cop's intention is rob you. That applies 100% of the time with ZERO exceptions.
You seem to think that if you are stopped and searched and not robbed, the cops didn't necessarily intend to rob you. That is ridiculous. You really think Tijuana cops give a shit about taking drugs off the street? In the Zona there are dealers selling dope out in the open like tamales and the cops don't give a fuck. And you think that they really give a shit if some white, fat, balding, middle aged gringo monger is carrying drugs? They don't. Their only motive to stop and search without probable cause is pure robbery.
Be glad to let you know, since clearly you missed the posts where I explained it. They looked in my wallet that had $200. What did they do? They handed it back to me. All of it. And sent me on my way. Any other questions?Yes I have a question: why did the cops break the law and stop and search you without probable cause? They intended to rob you, period. Just because they didn't actually take anything doesn't mean that robbery wasn't their motive in stopping you. Whether they actually follow through with the robbery or not depends on a variety of circumstances including how much money you have, your demeanor, how scare you appear, potential witness, whether you're a tourist or local, how likely you are to report them, etc.
ClamSlammer
11-04-19, 05:01
For the naive true believers in the Tijuana police force, there is a website discussing Policia ripoffs of tourists. It isn't just Clamslammer's opinion on this. "Corrupt Police Scam: Mexico is infamous for its corrupt police, trying to rip off unsuspecting tourists by intimidating them and abusing their power. Most tourists will be happy to pay up after being threatened to be thrown into a Mexican jail.
In the past, police corruption was such a widespread and omnipresent phenomenon in Mexico, that cops even had to pay hundreds of Dollars every week to their chief, in order to be protected against complaints from extorted tourists or locals. They then had to earn that money back, on top of their regular loot, by wringing the tourists even more. . . But beware if you rent a car in the US and drive it across the border, as an American car with US license plates acts like a magnet to corrupt Mexican cops.
TIP: Never hand over your driving license. Make copies before you travel and only hand over the copy. You can them show the original, but don't let the cops get their hands on it, as this will give them leverage to extort money from you in order to give it back.The above written articles provide some good insight into the corruption of Tijuana Police. Although it may not be 100% accurate, possibly being due to being written about Mexican police in general and not Tijuana Police, it still provides sound insight and advice. Anybody who says differently is severely misinformed.
As long as we're on the subject of the severely misinformed, some has been written about how carrying pesos is somehow a great deterrent to crooked cops trying to rob you. This is one of the most laughable assertions that's every been written on this board. How can anyone actually believe that cops will not rob pesos and only dollars? Ridiculous. Are pesos so rare and difficult to obtain that by merely possessing them you land on some mystical VIP untouchable list where the cops can't fuck with you? LOL. Let me state this for the record: it makes No difference whatsoever if you're carrying pesos or dollars. If a crooked cop late on his rent stops and searches you, he's going to steal your money whether it is pesos or dollars. I wonder whoever thinks that pesos are advantageous over dollars, how many times this person has been searched by the cops. He must have a lot of experience getting searched, at least a couple dozen times in order to come to such a conclusion. He certainly couldn't draw such a conclusion from a puny sample size such as THREE could he, because that would be utterly laughable. Oh wait, nevermind. That would be almost as ridiculous as telling you to never offer a bribe and then the next breath advising you to always pay bribes in pesos. Oh wait again.
So if you get stopped by the cops, here's my advice to prevent getting robbed:
1. Quickly dart into the nearest casa de cambio and exchange your dollars for pesos. Tijuana cops will only rob dollars and not pesos. LOL.
2. Seriously though, take your cash, whether it be dollars or pesos, and hold it in your hand. If they want to see you are not hiding contraband in your wad, let them see. But do not let them touch it.
3. Do not let on that you're an infrequent visitor to Tijuana. If they ask, tell them you come to Tijuana regularly.
4. Dial *86 on your cell which is an English speaking tourist help line. Dial as soon as you suspect the cops want to stop you. When the cops ask, tell them you are on the line with *86 because you don't speak Spanish and need help. As soon as the cops realize that the entire ordeal is being documented, they are much more likely to just let you go.
5. On the back of a business card, write "Sindicatura 664-973-7273" and keep this card in a prominent spot in your wallet such as the transparent ID compartment, or if you don't carry a wallet just keep it with your cash. Sindicatura is Tijuana police anti-corruption internal affairs department located in the Palacio Municipal building near Plaza Rio. If the cops know that you are aware of the Sindicatura, they will likely just let you go.
6. If you are pulled over while driving, try to pull over in a location that is sure to have cameras such as a bank.
7. If you must carry a significant amount of cash on you, hide it in your shoe. Cops rarely search shoes.
8. You will often be asked how much cash you have on you. Do not say "I don't know. " Tell them an exact amount, even if it is not precise.
9. If the cops say you can pay a fine on the spot, tell them that you were advised by the Sindicatura office that it is illegal to hand over cash to a police officer and that you are unwilling to break the law by doing so.
10. Make sure you memorize the police vehicle number, which is often the letter "P" followed by 4 numerals. Take a good long look at it on their vehicle, and make it apparent that you are doing so. If there is no vehicle, make sure to stare at their name tag and memorize their names.
11. If the cops threaten to take you to the station or the judge unless you pay a fine, agree to go. The last thing they want is some gringo at the station complaining about getting solicited for bribes. They will back down almost every time.
12. If the cops do actually rob you, call 911 immediately.
The posts on the Tijuana policia were from last year. Here is another from 2019:
"Tim Shepherd. May 26, 2019 at 9:21 am.
Just happened to me. Left a club and got into a taxi libre with about $300 in my wallet and a few blocks down the road police lights. Cops pulled us over made me get out. Made me bend over the hood and took my wallet and made a lot of intimidating remarka about maybe I have viagra or I am nervous. I complied fully and they let me go but they only left $100 in my wallet. Actually since the border has gotten more stringent, police harassment of Americans has gotten worse. I've been frisked on Avenida Revolucion 2 times before but they never took anything. This trip I decided to only travel by taxi. I haven't been back in over a year but I finally got caught up and it cost me almost $200. Beware, Mexico is corrupt and probably always will be. Avoid. ".
Betty: - November 5, 2018 at 7:30 pm.
"Got pulled over by 2 police officers just south of Otay Mesa border crossing. Accused of running 2 stop signs and told to pay $200 US dollars. I didn't have that amount and asked for a ticket and direction to station. One officer said CASH, CASH. I told him I had pesos not US dollars that he wanted. He said 3000 pesos which I paid as it was 8:30 at night and I am a 71 yo woman traveling alone. Told me I was "clear". Never got a receipt for my alleged infraction. Be very careful!
http://tourist-scams.com/tourist-scam-destinations/tijuana/corrupt-police-scam/
My general experience is that having CA license plates do not get you targeted. What does is the appearance of wealth. I've driven through Tijuana policia checkpoints with no problems in my old beater truck and then I noticed the Tijuana policia stopping a new looking SUV with CA plates. Tourists who look like money trees get targeted. Tourists who look broke and are driving beaters get left alone. BTW, Policia are not the only ones who can smell tourist money. Meseros seem to target club guys who dress up for special attention.
First, as I mentioned to you, this was a dark, deserted street in the middle of the night. The only witness in sight was the taxi driver. Second, recent? That article was from 2015.
I'm just done with this discussion. You are not wrong. Bad things happen in some police interactions. I'm merely saying not every interaction is a disaster.
I dare say that I've spent as many, if not more days in Tijuana this year than most on this board. And I'll also say that the time I spend in the zona is typically in the wee hours of the morning. My point in saying that is if I was less familiar or a newbie, many on this board would scare me from ever going.
The Guardian Tom Phillips in Tijuana, The Guardian 4 hours ago.
' . . . Mexico now suffers an average of about 96 murders per day, with nearly 29,000 people killed since Amlo took office.
Tijuana has seen a methamphetamine-fuelled murder epidemic which produced a record 2,518 murders in 2018 and looks set to cause even more this year.
"The state has lost control," said Victor Clark, a security expert and activist based in the city.
Negative headlines sparked government action and by 2012 the number of annual murders had plunged. But Tijuana's murder rate is now soaring once again with the slaughter so routine that one local newspaper features a muertómetro (deathometer) to help readers keep track.
Authorities and academics blame the new wave of violence on a largely hidden dispute for Tijuana's drug trade – particularly that of crystal meth – although Brianna Rojas's murder did not seem to fit that mould.
"These deaths aren't about the fight for control of the routes into the US. They're fighting over the local market," said Clark."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bloody-tijuana-week-life-mexicos-090021250.html
Comments: "Only the police, military, gangs & drug dealers have guns in that country. This is what happens."
"What they don't mention is that Mexico has one gun store and the strictest gun regulations in North America. Essentially, civilians can't own guns. And they are protected by the police and military. "
"Please go call President Rodrigo Duterte he was the one who turned Davao City in the southern island of Mindanao around and his own country of the Philippines. Crime fighting 101. "
If you are visiting Tijuana, remember to bring a crime alert whistle. . . This will intimidate the local gangbangers and muggers once they see you pull it out and whistle for the local Tijuana policia! LOL.
In California the police have 500 dollar red light cameras. DEA on Amtrak takes Americans cash and keeps it. They can assume you were a drug runner. No evidence needed. Have to sue to get it back. I see it all the time I'm on the train so much. Millions they get from Amtrak alone.
Anyway, in general, don't roll into or out of Mexico with a lot cash. Especially in a car, or with a suitcase on foot. And yes dress down. Just on the trolley you will notice nobody is ever in a suit or nice shirt. This is not LOS Angeles or the east coast. And have 50 in the wallet. Make them search long hard for it. I always stop at McDonald's at border, put cash in socks, few other spots. All together I never walked in with more than 250.
Captain Solo
11-04-19, 22:33
8 PM Sunday night, I was driving east on Coahuila with 2 wingmen to dinner at Mr. Pampas.
At the Madero intersection, I stopped at the flashing red lights but a patrol car followed us and flashed their beacons. I stopped behind another flashing patrol car checking a CA car on the right.
2 fat pigs searched my car, my wallet and all my wingmen's bags but did not find or take anything. They went though my wallet and all my cash, one note at a time, total about $1,000 plus 2,000 pesos in cash, but did not take anything. They picked out a small pouch in my wallet with broken pills, asked me what it was, I told them "Viagra. " In broken English, they accused me of not stopping at red light. Their sergeant showed up with a few other pigs in a car behind mine. Total there were 3 patrol cars flashing beacons with 6 pigs.
I kept arguing and they kept accusing. Pigs told me they would write a ticket and showed me a link in their tel with 2,300 pesos fine. One of my wingmen was very hungry, saving his stomach for the feast at Mr. Pampas so I did not want to go to the station. I gave the sergeant a 100 peso note but he refused to take it. The 2 original pigs were smiling, telling me they got me red handed but would let me go with a propina. They said there were cameras on the sergeant 's car, so they had to turn their back to block it. I gave them 200 pesos; they balked. I added another 200 pesos; they were smiling broadly. They blocked traffic so I could pull out to the street. Damn. I was out 400 pesos. Another small cost to visit La Zona's chicas.
Looks like policia are patrolling Coahuila aggressively with reinforcing Marinas in face-saving operations after the botched arrest of El Chapo's son Olivia Guzman Lopez. Instead of taking Coahuila back to the border, I will Consitucion or Revolucion South to Benito Juarez where we saw no policia activities.
8 PM Sunday night, I was driving east on Coahuila with 2 wingmen to dinner at Mr. Pampas.
At the Madero intersection, I stopped at the flashing red lights but a patrol car followed us and flashed their beacons. I stopped behind another flashing patrol car checking a CA car on the right.
2 fat pigs searched my car, my wallet and all my wingmen's bags but did not find or take anything. They went though my wallet and all my cash, one note at a time, total about $1,000 plus 2,000 pesos in cash, but did not take anything. They picked out a small pouch in my wallet with broken pills, asked me what it was, I told them "Viagra. " In broken English, they accused me of not stopping at red light. Their sergeant showed up with a few other pigs in a car behind mine. Total there were 3 patrol cars flashing beacons with 6 pigs.
I kept arguing and they kept accusing. Pigs told me they would write a ticket and showed me a link in their tel with 2,300 pesos fine. One of my wingmen was very hungry, saving his stomach for the feast at Mr. Pampas so I did not want to go to the station. I gave the sergeant a 100 peso note but he refused to take it. The 2 original pigs were smiling, telling me they got me red handed but would let me go with a propina. They said there were cameras on the sergeant 's car, so they had to turn their back to block it. I gave them 200 pesos; they balked. I added another 200 pesos; they were smiling broadly. They blocked traffic so I could pull out to the street. Damn. I was out 400 pesos. Another small cost to visit La Zona's chicas.20 bucks is nothing, it's all part of the adventure of Mexico. Hong Kong wouldn't be half as exciting if it was on the other side of the border wall. At least the police help keep other criminals away. Bunch of Americans got their vehicles shot up and survivors kidnapped in Sinaloa yesterday. Mistaken identity, the way USA army was shooting up civilian cars all day long in Iraq and Afghanistan during those wars. Mexico is in midst of a civil war right now.
8 PM Sunday night, I was driving east on Coahuila with 2 wingmen to dinner at Mr. Pampas.
At the Madero intersection, I stopped at the flashing red lights but a patrol car followed us and flashed their beacons. I stopped behind another flashing patrol car checking a CA car on the right.
2 fat pigs searched my car, my wallet and all my wingmen's bags but did not find or take anything. They went though my wallet and all my cash, one note at a time, total about $1,000 plus 2,000 pesos in cash, but did not take anything. They picked out a small pouch in my wallet with broken pills, asked me what it was, I told them "Viagra. " In broken English, they accused me of not stopping at red light. Their sergeant showed up with a few other pigs in a car behind mine. Total there were 3 patrol cars flashing beacons with 6 pigs.
I kept arguing and they kept accusing. Pigs told me they would write a ticket and showed me a link in their tel with 2,300 pesos fine. One of my wingmen was very hungry, saving his stomach for the feast at Mr. Pampas so I did not want to go to the station. I gave the sergeant a 100 peso note but he refused to take it. The 2 original pigs were smiling, telling me they got me red handed but would let me go with a propina.When I was yet a teen my mother and father taught me during our visits to Baja to keep a $20 in the ashtray together with how to maneuver the conversation during a stop into paying a fine on the spot. Never fails. Thanks Mom & Dad!
20 bucks is nothing, it's all part of the adventure of Mexico. Hong Kong wouldn't be half as exciting if it was on the other side of the border wall. At least the police help keep other criminals away. Bunch of Americans got their vehicles shot up and survivors kidnapped in Sinaloa yesterday. Mistaken identity, the way USA army was shooting up civilian cars all day long in Iraq and Afghanistan during those wars. Mexico is in midst of a civil war right now.Do you mean the Mormons in Sonora?
Do you mean the Mormons in Sonora?Yes. Sad story. Most gave up today left Mexico for good. Turns out wasn't mistaken identity as they hit up multiple cars hours apart from same group. Who knows what the reason was. But a war zone it is.
Offhand, I think a seatbelt ticket from the CHP runs around $350. Captain Solo paid 2300 pesos or a bit over $100 with no ding to his auto insurance and no traffic school. I think this example shows it is better to deal with the Mexican cops than getting a ticket from the CHP.
When I was yet a teen my mother and father taught me during our visits to Baja to keep a $20 in the ashtray together with how to maneuver the conversation during a stop into paying a fine on the spot. Never fails. Thanks Mom & Dad!
OrganicAlo
11-12-19, 01:13
Offhand, I think a seatbelt ticket from the CHP runs around $350. Captain Solo paid 2300 pesos or a bit over $100 with no ding to his auto insurance and no traffic school. I think this example shows it is better to deal with the Mexican cops than getting a ticket from the CHP.I just had to pay a $530 ticket two weeks ago for a solo-occupant carpool lane ticket.
Such a ridiculous amount.
8 PM Sunday night, I was driving east on Coahuila with 2 wingmen to dinner at Mr. Pampas.
At the Madero intersection, I stopped at the flashing red lights but a patrol car followed us and flashed their beacons. I stopped behind another flashing patrol car checking a CA car on the right.
2 fat pigs searched my car, my wallet and all my wingmen's bags but did not find or take anything. They went though my wallet and all my cash, one note at a time, total about $1,000 plus 2,000 pesos in cash, but did not take anything. They picked out a small pouch in my wallet with broken pills, asked me what it was, I told them "Viagra. " In broken English, they accused me of not stopping at red light. Their sergeant showed up with a few other pigs in a car behind mine. Total there were 3 patrol cars flashing beacons with 6 pigs.
I kept arguing and they kept accusing. Pigs told me they would write a ticket and showed me a link in their tel with 2,300 pesos fine. One of my wingmen was very hungry, saving his stomach for the feast at Mr. Pampas so I did not want to go to the station. I gave the sergeant a 100 peso note but he refused to take it. The 2 original pigs were smiling, telling me they got me red handed but would let me go with a propina. They said there were cameras on the sergeant 's car, so they had to turn their back to block it. I gave them 200 pesos; they balked. I added another 200 pesos; they were smiling broadly. They blocked traffic so I could pull out to the street. Damn. I was out 400 pesos. Another small cost to visit La Zona's chicas.
Looks like policia are patrolling Coahuila aggressively with reinforcing Marinas in face-saving operations after the botched arrest of El Chapo's son Olivia Guzman Lopez. Instead of taking Coahuila back to the border, I will Consitucion or Revolucion South to Benito Juarez where we saw no policia activities.Hey at least you made an effort to drive in Tijuana. According to keyboard tough guys I am wimp for not letting myself get rammed by another car or being turned out and tossed without any lube by Tijuana Police.
To make myself even more pitiful I admit to never renting a motor operated ANYTHING when traveling abroad. I am too scared to get my panties in a knot. Can you blame me?
Rainman306
11-30-19, 01:41
Have an upcoming trip next month and planning to stay at various hotels 1 night each associated with each of the big clubs -- Adeltas, Chicago Club & Hong Kong. Elected to stay at Hong Kong's clubs sister hotel across the street as it seems it may be safer? Read of some incidents at Hotel Cascades which maybe are just due to it being the epicenter of the Zona?
Has anyone ever stated at Hotel Ibiza? The hotel above the La Marquerda bar. Seemed to have an attractive group of street girls last time. Would you then not have to pay the fee each time?
The Tropical bar hotel is same setup as Hong Kongs hotel. Ownership group is same. I would find it more of a hassle due to having to walk a girl from anyplace to that bar. An extra 2 minutes could make her rush sex or just be seen by policia, and the military with machine guns out swing by every 15 minutes at night. It's much better to just do HK hotel unless you will bang tropical girls which I've never done. I don't find them aggressive for money like other clubs. I've been to it 30 times not one sex offer to me. Other clubs sex offered every 15 minutes. Izbiza again, no point staying in it. Despite the issues at HK most likely it's still safest due to most foreigners and security. Adelitas. Especially. Bring your own sheets. I bring sheets for any zona norte hotel. If you look at the sheets in any hotel you can't tell if it was washed or not or do they not use bleach or do normal hotels throw stained sheets out. Easier to bring your own. Even two twin top sheets will work. I'm germaphobe unless its sex at that very moment I will deal with sloppy 3 rds blow jobs.
Have an upcoming trip next month and planning to stay at various hotels 1 night each associated with each of the big clubs -- Adeltas, Chicago Club & Hong Kong. Elected to stay at Hong Kong's clubs sister hotel across the street as it seems it may be safer? Read of some incidents at Hotel Cascades which maybe are just due to it being the epicenter of the Zona?
Has anyone ever stated at Hotel Ibiza? The hotel above the La Marquerda bar. Seemed to have an attractive group of street girls last time. Would you then not have to pay the fee each time?Ibiza is really loud because they have live bands playing until 5 am. If safety is your concern, HK probably spends the most on security. They even track their limos by GPS just in case it gets car jacked with customers in it. There is usually 2 guys working the desk, plus a security guy over-watching the elevators. Rooms are carded rather than keyed. Front and back entrances are guarded 24 hours. For all the shit I give HK, I do give Cascadas an A+ when it comes to hotel security in the Zona.
KC Questor
12-01-19, 16:41
Bring your own sheets. Even two twin top sheets will work.I hope you bring a pillowcase as well. If I were a germaphobe I'd be far more concerned about the pillow than the sheets. I sleep in a t-shirt and sweatpants, so dirty sheets aren't a big deal, but my face is right there in that pillow and you know it's been covered in fluids. Harder to wash a pillow and less likely to be thrown out either. I'm glad I'm not worried about that stuff.
KC Questor
12-01-19, 17:01
Have an upcoming trip next month and planning to stay at various hotels 1 night each associated with each of the big clubs -- Adeltas, Chicago Club & Hong Kong. Elected to stay at Hong Kong's clubs sister hotel across the street as it seems it may be safer? Read of some incidents at Hotel Cascades which maybe are just due to it being the epicenter of the Zona?Not sure when your trip is planned, but Hotel Coahuila (Adelita) has $20 rooms Mon-Wed with no VIP required. Well worth it even if you don't plan to take up an AB chick. Rooms are decent and I usually stay there if my HK VIP is expired.
I've never stayed at Hotel Rizo de Oro (Bar Tropical), but I know many mongers who swear by it over Cascadas. But most of them prefer the BT girls over the HK girls, so it makes sense. Yes, you can take either girl to either hotel (Las Chavelas girls, too), but it can be a hassle to make a HK girl walk across the street in her robe and tacones. Some won't want to, especially on a busy weekend night.
Hotel Jalos (Chicago Club) is not a great place to stay the night unless you plan to take up a few girls from there. Weekday rate only $25, so pays for itself if you go up more than once. Not many SGs around there, so harder to take them up. Plus they often don't have hot water. Rooms are variable -- some OK and some shitholes, with broken locks, crappy showers, and no ac / heat. Be willing to complain and move.
Ibiza is nice for a short-term hooker hotel, but not great for staying overnight. Malquerida is a common "after hours" bar so the the music from the club is incessant even at 6 in the morning. Get a room on the top floors to avoid the noise and you'll be climbing 4-5 flights of stairs.
MongerHunger
12-02-19, 06:43
Have an upcoming trip next month and planning to stay at various hotels 1 night each associated with each of the big clubs -- Adeltas, Chicago Club & Hong Kong. Elected to stay at Hong Kong's clubs sister hotel across the street as it seems it may be safer? Read of some incidents at Hotel Cascades which maybe are just due to it being the epicenter of the Zona?
Has anyone ever stated at Hotel Ibiza? The hotel above the La Marquerda bar. Seemed to have an attractive group of street girls last time. Would you then not have to pay the fee each time?Get ready for the noise. It can be an issue. Make sure your linens are clean and stay on the upper floors with distance from the street level. You still have to contend with noise from guest, staff and girls yelling loudly in the hallways.
Rainman306
12-03-19, 01:42
I'm not staying at Ibiza hotel; was only considering for a future trip since it seemed nice enough when I took a street girl up last trip -- during the late afternoon, so maybe no music yet.
Staying 1 night each at Hotel Jalos, Hotel Coahullia & Hotel Rizo. Probably planning to pull 1 bar girl each night from each of the attached clubs.
KC Questor
12-04-19, 06:13
I'm not staying at Ibiza hotel; was only considering for a future trip since it seemed nice enough when I took a street girl up last trip -- during the late afternoon, so maybe no music yet.Ibiza is definitely one of the nicer hotels in the Zona for street girls. And it's not BAD for staying overnight but as mentioned you want a top floor room to avoid the noise and walking those stairs is a pain in the ass (and legs).
Staying 1 night each at Hotel Jalos, Hotel Coahullia & Hotel Rizo. Probably planning to pull 1 bar girl each night from each of the attached clubs.I think that's a fine plan, and a good way to learn the Zona hotels better. And definitely pull girls from the attached clubs. I always hate when I have a room in once hotel but I find a girl I like in an unaffiliated bar. Pisses me off to pay for a room when I have one sitting unused in a different hotel. Remember that Hong Kong, Las Chavelas, and Tropical can all go to Rizo. Adelita and Valentina girls can go to Coahuila. Gives you more options. Please report back what you found!
Captain Solo
12-11-19, 19:52
Sinaloa cartel' witnesses in El Chapo's trial already fingered him for taking millions in bribes in exchange for protection. Phillipe Caulderon most likely took big cuts of these bribes.
Thsi guy is stupid to park the money and live in the US, waiting for the Fed to move in and cuff him. He's looking at 20 years or more in top security prison. Perhaps they will put him in the same cell with El Chapo to keep him company.
Bottom line is, cannot trust anyone in Mexico, South or Central America. The hypocrites put on a big facade of deeply religious and pious Catholics, but they all scheme to steal from and murder their neighbors, rape their wives and daughters. Damn crooked, evil world!
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/former-top-mexican-cop-charged-protecting-el-chapo-s-cartel-n1099081
Ex-Mexico top cop charged with protecting El Chapo's cartel.
Genaro Garcia Luna was charged with accepting millions of dollars in bribes in exchange for providing protection to the Sinaloa cartel.
Dec. 10,2019, 10:31 AM PST.
By Tom Winter.
A former top law enforcement official in the Mexican government was charged by the USA Government with accepting millions of dollars in bribes in exchange for providing protection to Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman's notorious drug cartel.
Genaro Garcia Luna, 51, who served in a Cabinet post overseeing Mexico's federal police, was indicted by a federal grand jury in Brooklyn last week on three counts of cocaine trafficking conspiracy and one count of making false statements for his role in allowing the Sinaloa cartel to operate "with impunity" in Mexico. He was arrested Monday in Dallas, the USA Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of New York announced Tuesday as it unsealed the indictment.
"Today's arrest demonstrates our resolve to bring to justice those who help cartels inflict devastating harm on the United States and Mexico, regardless of the positions they held while committing their crimes," USA Attorney Richard Donoghue said.
Garcia Luna served as Mexico's secretary of public security from 2006 to 2012 and has been living in the United States since 2012. If convicted, he faces a minimum of 10 years in prison and the maximum of a life sentence.
Drug kingpin El Chapo sentenced to life in prison.
July 17,201901:18.
The Sinaloa cartel "obtained safe passage for its drug shipments, sensitive law enforcement information about investigations into the Cartel, and information about rival drug cartels," in exchange for millions of dollars in bribes to Garcia Luna, prosecutors said. This facilitated imports of "multi-ton quantities of cocaine and other drugs into the USA ".
On two occasions, Garcia Luna's bribes arrived by courier — cartel members personally delivered briefcases containing $3 million to $5 million, prosecutors noted. By the time Garcia Luna left government and relocated to Florida, he had amassed a personal fortune worth millions of dollars, they said.
"The government has interviewed numerous other cooperating witnesses who have confirmed that the Cartel paid the defendant tens of millions of dollars over several years, in exchange for the defendant's protection of the Cartel," prosecutors said.
One of the most powerful drug cartels in the world, the Sinaloa cartel is known for its violence and drug trafficking. Over the decades, the cartel has directed a multibillion-dollar narcotics trafficking empire, shipping huge quantities of drugs from Latin America into the USA, including cocaine, heroin, marijuana and methamphetamine.
Prosecutors consider Garcia Luna a significant flight risk. "The defendant prioritized his personal greed over his sworn duties as a public servant, and assured the continued success and safety of one of the world's most notorious trafficking organizations", they wrote in a request to block bail.
Garcia Luna's lawyer did not immediately respond to request for comment. He is scheduled to appear in court next Tuesday for a detention hearing.
Rainman306
12-13-19, 05:35
A guy fronted saying he would take me to San Diego airport for $20. In reality all he did was walk me from ped East to Ped west. Based on their designs long lines are a lot more visible at ped East vs ped west.
He demanded $20 when we reached ped west entrance -- I debated options & decided not to pay any money at all. He yelled & maybe followed me for about 50 feet but then left.
Anyone else run into this or a similar scam.
A guy fronted saying he would take me to San Diego airport for $20. In reality all he did was walk me from ped East to Ped west. Based on their designs long lines are a lot more visible at ped East vs ped west.
He demanded $20 when we reached ped west entrance -- I debated options & decided not to pay any money at all. He yelled & maybe followed me for about 50 feet but then left.
Anyone else run into this or a similar scam.There's a good chance that most of the mercenaries offering services on the street are trying to scam you, maybe worse. How does the San Diego airport turn into a block walk to pedwest? Regardless, I don't think I would get into a random persons car or follow someone's special deal. Just go with a reliable entity like Uber or the trolley. I feel like people sometimes worry a little too much about saving 2. 25 rather than just going the safe route.
The scams are in high gear with Christmas shopping. All trolley border foot crossing waste if you don't pay the 10 dollar toll to cut the line. Stick to el chaparral if you don't want to pay fee. I would of paid it but the Mexicans in line with me I didn't want to insult their pocketbook. So I wasted 4 hours in line instead. LOL.
A guy fronted saying he would take me to San Diego airport for $20. Did this guy have a vehicle and weren't you questioning him while "walking" to Pedwest vs getting in a car pointed towards i5 North?
Just curious what draws people into this type of scam.
Dcrist0527
12-15-19, 03:25
Well, after bragging for years, I suppose my luck ran out. Last night, while making a couple laps, I was pick pocketed. I will admit to being a bit tipsy. By no means was I drunk but probably not as aware as I should have been. I am 95% certain I know who it was. Walking along Ninos Heroes (on HK side), two SGs were all over me. Neither were attractive to me. They were uber aggressive in the front. But somehow, they took a little pocket wallet from my back pocket. Yes, many rookie mistakes. As I said, my guard was down. I walked away from them and then I actually turned around and went back in that direction and both were gone, which struck me as odd. But I still wasn't aware. But in hindsight, I am certain that is when it happened. One of them was practically jerking me off right there on the sidewalk and no doubt that is when the other lifted it.
I am very tempted to go back there tonight but I do not see a good outcome from that. Both are older chicas. One a blonde. She was the one that was super aggressive. The other was a dark haired girl, significantly overweight. Lesson learned. Thankfully, the important things like ID, more cash, phone, were not in that pocket. I hate to admit it but I do not always separate everything. But before I headed out last night something told me to do that.
Thanks for the post. Helps us all keep more aware! Had a jacket taken in HK a couple months back. My fault for not keeping an eye on it or taking it off in the first place. HK is a great place but.
Well, after bragging for years, I suppose my luck ran out. Last night, while making a couple laps, I was pick pocketed. I will admit to being a bit tipsy. By no means was I drunk but probably not as aware as I should have been. I am 95% certain I know who it was. Walking along Ninos Heroes (on HK side), two SGs were all over me. Neither were attractive to me. They were uber aggressive in the front. But somehow, they took a little pocket wallet from my back pocket. Yes, many rookie mistakes. As I said, my guard was down. I walked away from them and then I actually turned around and went back in that direction and both were gone, which struck me as odd. But I still wasn't aware. But in hindsight, I am certain that is when it happened. One of them was practically jerking me off right there on the sidewalk and no doubt that is when the other lifted it.
I am very tempted to go back there tonight but I do not see a good outcome from that. Both are older chicas. One a blonde. She was the one that was super aggressive. The other was a dark haired girl, significantly overweight. Lesson learned. Thankfully, the important things like ID, more cash, phone, were not in that pocket. I hate to admit it but I do not always separate everything. But before I headed out last night something told me to do that.
A lot of these girls are not really professional working girls, they just show up to scam you. Pickpocket, or otherwise. For instance I ask if they have I'd. Most say no. That's red flag. Maybe underage. Maybe failed HIV test. Maybe illegal alien. Maybe just scammer. One charged 20 for massage and CBJ. After ten seconds she stopped and looked at me like "I'm done and you can't do crap about it gringo" and she was right. And yes the girls last night also were grabbing me too. Nothings in my back pocket. Passport is in hidden pocket. Most money in sneakers. Every night girls and staff laugh at me, which is how I know Mexican crooks don't target locals much. Cause they never have problems.
I am bit surprised to hear this. But one should always keep your guard up in the Zona. I always keep my wallet in my front pocket to keep from being pick pocketed. I have noticed that the girls on that corner are aggressive and will try and grab my arm. I always pull away to get them off of me whenever a SG does this.
Well, after bragging for years, I suppose my luck ran out. Last night, while making a couple laps, I was pick pocketed. I will admit to being a bit tipsy. By no means was I drunk but probably not as aware as I should have been. I am 95% certain I know who it was. Walking along Ninos Heroes (on HK side), two SGs were all over me. Neither were attractive to me. They were uber aggressive in the front. But somehow, they took a little pocket wallet from my back pocket. Yes, many rookie mistakes. As I said, my guard was down. I walked away from them and then I actually turned around and went back in that direction and both were gone, which struck me as odd. But I still wasn't aware. But in hindsight, I am certain that is when it happened. One of them was practically jerking me off right there on the sidewalk and no doubt that is when the other lifted it.
I am very tempted to go back there tonight but I do not see a good outcome from that. Both are older chicas. One a blonde. She was the one that was super aggressive. The other was a dark haired girl, significantly overweight. Lesson learned. Thankfully, the important things like ID, more cash, phone, were not in that pocket. I hate to admit it but I do not always separate everything. But before I headed out last night something told me to do that.
I am bit surprised to hear this. But one should always keep your guard up in the Zona. I always keep my wallet in my front pocket to keep from being pick pocketed. I have noticed that the girls on that corner are aggressive and will try and grab my arm. I always pull away to get them off of me whenever a SG does this.Theft is normal in this game. In the best NYC strip clubs I've had girls steal my wallet, phone, girl in playboy club in Tijuana stole my phone wanted reward when selling it back to me. I told her take the 5 dollars or keep the dam 30 dollar phone. That's when I stopped going to playboy club. Got my phone back from club security in NYC when I told security get the phone from the girl or the feds will be here for a report since it's a government cell phone. Which was not true. Theft is also normal routine in California, car break ins aren't investigated, police won't even come to look, my stuff stolen at beach all the time when I go swimming. Called 911 while watching homeless steal tourists stuff police tell me 911 is only for emergency LOL. West coast is a different animal.
That sounds like an old fashioned robbery. If you don't know the person, you should never let anyone put their hands on you in the middle of the streets. That's some pretty foul behavior. Whether they're putas or not, that's just a violation of common respect and space.
ChinaMan360
12-16-19, 22:48
Well, after bragging for years, I suppose my luck ran out. Last night, while making a couple laps, I was pick pocketed. I will admit to being a bit tipsy. By no means was I drunk but probably not as aware as I should have been. I am 95% certain I know who it was. Walking along Ninos Heroes (on HK side), two SGs were all over me. Neither were attractive to me. They were uber aggressive in the front. But somehow, they took a little pocket wallet from my back pocket. Yes, many rookie mistakes. As I said, my guard was down. I walked away from them and then I actually turned around and went back in that direction and both were gone, which struck me as odd. But I still wasn't aware. But in hindsight, I am certain that is when it happened. One of them was practically jerking me off right there on the sidewalk and no doubt that is when the other lifted it.
I am very tempted to go back there tonight but I do not see a good outcome from that. Both are older chicas. One a blonde. She was the one that was super aggressive. The other was a dark haired girl, significantly overweight. Lesson learned. Thankfully, the important things like ID, more cash, phone, were not in that pocket. I hate to admit it but I do not always separate everything. But before I headed out last night something told me to do that.I travel a lot and built up strategies to avoid being pickpocketed and also know a ways to pickpocket bec of my experiences. It should be a iron clad rule that you do not let anyone touch you without your permission, but that's a hard one to follow with chicas I'll admit. I carry one of those necklace wallets and those are impossible to steal. This may seem weird but I always keep my phone in my hand as often as possible because it's difficult to steal something that is in your hand; I've been pickpocketed in Barcelona recently and all they got was a few bills and not my necklace wallet or my phone in my hand.
Simonwagstaff
12-17-19, 14:02
I travel a lot and built up strategies to avoid being pickpocketed and also know a ways to pickpocket bec of my experiences. It should be a iron clad rule that you do not let anyone touch you without your permission, but that's a hard one to follow with chicas I'll admit. I carry one of those necklace wallets and those are impossible to steal. This may seem weird but I always keep my phone in my hand as often as possible because it's difficult to steal something that is in your hand; I've been pickpocketed in Barcelona recently and all they got was a few bills and not my necklace wallet or my phone in my hand.I consider myself an experienced traveler and was also recently pickpocketed in Madrid. I don't carry much cash, getting the credit cards replaced was a minor hassle but I did get a nice new Spanish leather wallet out of the situation. I think you cannot let your guard down anywhere.
Captain Solo
12-17-19, 20:40
To Simon.
I traveled all over Aisa, Europe, South America ect. Never had anything stolen form me. All the thefts happened to me only in the US.
Years ago in NYC, a very pretty girl in an upscale hotel in Manhattan, stole my wallet from my jacket after a session, within a few seconds I turned away to take a leak in the toilet. She was standing in the room, waiting for me when I got out, everything looked normal but she was in a hurry to go. After she disappeared, I put on my jacket and found the wallet missing.
I had no ID, no credit cards, no cash left. I called the credit card companies from a pay phone to cancel the cards, then drove back to my hotel in New Jersey, on the way got pulled over by NJ state cops a few blocks from the hotel. They were understanding and let me go. I don't remember how I paid for hotels and rental cars on that trip. Months later the wallet with driver license, a few IDs and the SS card, was mailed to my home address by someone unknown, may have been NYC cops who recovered it in a trash dump.
Another very pretty girl at the Hilton LAX took my wallet in a few seconds I turned away from my clothes on the chair next to the bed.
Also got pulled into a dark parking lot off Sunset Blvd in Hollywood after midnight by a very pretty girl, got ambushed by her black pimp with a big Colt. 45 pressed against my head, took my wallet, car keys, warned me I would get shot if I tried to run out of the parking lot.
Fuck me, I am stupid, won't learn and keep letting my dick lead me into harms.
Captain Solo
12-20-19, 15:54
One of my wingmen is a nice, generous, Spanish-speaking guy. He keeps hanging out with old putas with whom he no longer has sexual interests, only affinity of old friendships, buying them drinks, dinners, bringing them presents.
One is a skinny women in Chicago, skinny with lots of tattoos up to her neck. She used to work in HK years ago when she was young and attractive.
Per this wingman, last week she and a girl friend took a cab ride from Ensenada to Tijuana to work the week before Christmas, carrying 2 big suitcases full of clothes. The cabbie dropped them off in front of Chicago then quickly took off with the 2 suitcases. The 2 girls now how no change of clothes besides what they had on their backs. They would now have to buy new sexy working clothes or going to work in Chicago in their panties hehe.
This woman is a real friend with my wingman. I don't think she would lie to him, but I also got a lot of sop stories from girls trying to squeeze me for money at year end.
So be alert for cabbies trying to steal your luggage, but also don't trust sob stories by putas aiming to empty out your wallets.
GrassGirder
12-20-19, 23:49
So after an unsuccessful time in Tijuana and a slow drive of shame toward the San Ysidro Border I got caught up with some weird shit.
Right after lunch, I approached the border. I got near the line of cars where there was your typical collection of beggars and vendors wandering in the stopped vehicles. Some random guy in civilian clothes started calling me out in English and pointing at the nearby cops. As I pull into the line, he walks up to my vehicle. He starts telling me a story in pretty competent English about the border being close or something and points somewhere saying he knows another way in. I roll down my window a little, like the fucking idiot gringo tourist I am, as I figure there are cops right there within spitting distance with M4's so I should be safe. After some weird back and forth, with him directing me to move closer to the cops near the concrete barriers, which I actually do (again I am a fucking idiot), he suddenly tells me he'll show me another way across the border as he clearly gets frustrated when he's reaching the limit of his English.
Motherfucker reaches right into my car from the passenger window, unlocks it, opens the door and tries to jump in. Luckily I had all my luggage in the passenger seat so he wasn't able to really just jump in. I start screaming at the dude to GTFO. Loud enough the cops start to notice. He fucking backs off, closes the door and like leans on my window with his arms crossed and tries to intimidate me or something with "Calm down, you need to calm down. I'm the hefe around here, you don't act like this. " I tell him I am calm and he needs to fuck off right now. He eventually slinks away. The cops motion to me. Turns out neither of them speak a lick of English and my Espanol is pretty much non existent. I manage to at least confirm that his story is complete bullshit that's to some basic google translate. Its just pretty crazy that someone in broad daylight, in front of armed municipal police, literally at the border crossing would pull that shit.
Tijuana may be economically booming from medical tourism and maquiladoras but fuck man, I got to keep my guard up.
So after an unsuccessful time in Tijuana and a slow drive of shame toward the San Ysidro Border I got caught up with some weird shit.
Right after lunch, I approached the border. I got near the line of cars where there was your typical collection of beggars and vendors wandering in the stopped vehicles. Some random guy in civilian clothes started calling me out in English and pointing at the nearby cops. As I pull into the line, he walks up to my vehicle. He starts telling me a story in pretty competent English about the border being close or something and points somewhere saying he knows another way in. I roll down my window a little, like the fucking idiot gringo tourist I am, as I figure there are cops right there within spitting distance with M4's so I should be safe. After some weird back and forth, with him directing me to move closer to the cops near the concrete barriers, which I actually do (again I am a fucking idiot), he suddenly tells me he'll show me another way across the border as he clearly gets frustrated when he's reaching the limit of his English.
Motherfucker reaches right into my car from the passenger window, unlocks it, opens the door and tries to jump in. Luckily I had all my luggage in the passenger seat so he wasn't able to really just jump in. I start screaming at the dude to GTFO. Loud enough the cops start to notice. He fucking backs off, closes the door and like leans on my window with his arms crossed and tries to intimidate me or something with "Calm down, you need to calm down. I'm the hefe around here, you don't act like this. " I tell him I am calm and he needs to fuck off right now. He eventually slinks away. The cops motion to me. Turns out neither of them speak a lick of English and my Espanol is pretty much non existent. I manage to at least confirm that his story is complete bullshit that's to some basic google translate. Its just pretty crazy that someone in broad daylight, in front of armed municipal police, literally at the border crossing would pull that shit..Probably not car jacking. He was gonna have you drive a bit, then demand you pay his fee. If you had even more money than his fee, he may demand that too. If he liked your sneakers. There's no actual prison in mexico. Practically speaking. Another words anyone arrested is out of jail quickly. The actual prison rate, compared to USA must be 1%, on a per person basis. I'm just guessing since 99% of murders result in no jail time. So yeah, it's anything goes.
So after an unsuccessful time in Tijuana and a slow drive of shame toward the San Ysidro Border I got caught up with some weird shit.
Right after lunch, I approached the border. I got near the line of cars where there was your typical collection of beggars and vendors wandering in the stopped vehicles. Some random guy in civilian clothes started calling me out in English and pointing at the nearby cops. As I pull into the line, he walks up to my vehicle. He starts telling me a story in pretty competent English about the border being close or something and points somewhere saying he knows another way in. I roll down my window a little, like the fucking idiot gringo tourist I am, as I figure there are cops right there within spitting distance with M4's so I should be safe. After some weird back and forth, with him directing me to move closer to the cops near the concrete barriers, which I actually do (again I am a fucking idiot), he suddenly tells me he'll show me another way across the border as he clearly gets frustrated when he's reaching the limit of his English.
Motherfucker reaches right into my car from the passenger window, unlocks it, opens the door and tries to jump in. Luckily I had all my luggage in the passenger seat so he wasn't able to really just jump in. I start screaming at the dude to GTFO. Loud enough the cops start to notice. He fucking backs off, closes the door and like leans on my window with his arms crossed and tries to intimidate me or something with "Calm down, you need to calm down. I'm the hefe around here, you don't act like this. " I tell him I am calm and he needs to fuck off right now. He eventually slinks away. The cops motion to me. Turns out neither of them speak a lick of English and my Espanol is pretty much non existent. I manage to at least confirm that his story is complete bullshit that's to some basic google translate. Its just pretty crazy that someone in broad daylight, in front of armed municipal police, literally at the border crossing would pull that shit.
Tijuana may be economically booming from medical tourism and maquiladoras but fuck man, I got to keep my guard up.Maybe a few months ago (3) there were stories about threats being made on SY border travelers by a group of people (at La Linea) pretending to be police and running extortion threats.
From a criminal point of view gringos sitting in slow moving vehicles are like sitting ducks. Think about it. You are a target just sitting there with nowhere to go.
When I arrive at the border in a taxi and some scumbag tries to handle my bags I tell them to get the fuck out of here. Believe it or not some people get offended by it. These guys look at us as dumb gringo prey. No mexican would deal with their bullshit so treat them the same way a local would. Have an element of surprise to your approach. Act on the offensive sometimes.
You might want to keep your door locked and window high enough to keep hands from coming in to grab stuff. Years ago, I used to play Yoko Ono music on my car stereo to get the border beggars etc to back off from my car. It worked! The "music" was so terrible, the border sellers / beggars would avoid my car! Downside is that you are forced to listen to Yoko Ono while waiting to cross the border. Most useful, keeping a pepper spray handy gets thieves to back off when they see you are ready for them.
Maybe a few months ago (3) there were stories about threats being made on SY border travelers by a group of people (at La Linea) pretending to be police and running extortion threats.
From a criminal point of view gringos sitting in slow moving vehicles are like sitting ducks. Think about it. You are a target just sitting there with nowhere to go.
When I arrive at the border in a taxi and some scumbag tries to handle my bags I tell them to get the fuck out of here. Believe it or not some people get offended by it. These guys look at us as dumb gringo prey. No mexican would deal with their bullshit so treat them the same way a local would. Have an element of surprise to your approach. Act on the offensive sometimes.
I heard a rumor that the police have been going around making random arrests for no reason. Or at least more arrests than usual. I believe that the police crack down more during the holiday season.
First time for everything I guess.
I have been visiting Tijuana for 30 years. Just had my first stop and frisk with the Policia.
Had dinner at Caesars, then stopped by HK and Chicago for a peek, only briefly. Around 8 PM (Sunday) I hopped into one of the white / orange taxis for a trip to Pedwest. The unusual part was instead of a you-turn at the end of the bridge the taxi made a left to go around the block near the dropoff point. (Probably no big deal but never did this before).
As soon as we headed up the street to the dropoff point, which was perhaps 50 yards away at this point, the red and white lights lit up behind us. The taxi driver started saying "ahh man!, what's up? The cop came up to the driver door where they spoke for a moment and then the driver said we need to get out. Had to put our hands on the trunk lid while the cop frisked me and took everything out of my pockets. It was notable he did not pay much attention to the driver but the driver interpreted for me. The cop asked where I live, where I work, why I needed 20 Figrals (Generic viagra). Asked how much I paid for the pills. I told them $2 ea and because I have a demanding wife. (Got a bit of a laugh).
I only bring a passport, cash, and cell phone. Only had about $10 so perhaps he was disappointed. Anyhow, nothing in it for them and I played the bewildered but friendly tourist as best I could.
Then the cop motioned to my stuff spread out on the car as if to say here you go, take it. That was it.
Curious if this is becoming a thing now.
BrotherMouzone
01-06-20, 18:12
First time for everything I guess.
I have been visiting Tijuana for 30 years. Just had my first stop and frisk with the Policia.Wow sorry to hear. Wish they had a poll option on these boards. Would be curious to know what percentage of folks here have been stopped and searched by Tijuana police. Would also be curious if there's a certain demographic of Americans they prefer to target or if it's equal opportunity harassment. (I'm African-American and Tijuana police haven't so much as even looked my way yet. My one experience with them was very cordial with them warning me to put my cell phone away to decrease the chance of it getting stolen.).
Captain Solo
01-06-20, 19:41
Looks like that taxi driver worked with his policia friend to set up people for frisking and stealing. If you had lots of money. They would steal from you.
I have been set up to pee in front of isolated closed shops near the border crossing with no one around after midnight. I did not want to do it. Just then a policia pedaled in on his bicycle, ready to make the arrest for peeing in public. Lots of people at the border are thieves, robbers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers. They all know and work with each other to entrap visitors.
Taxi drivers are pretty much anonymous and mostly crooked. It's safer to use UBER or LYFT as you have the drivers' IDs in your phone and can take actions.
First time for everything I guess.
I have been visiting Tijuana for 30 years. Just had my first stop and frisk with the Policia.
Had dinner at Caesars, then stopped by HK and Chicago for a peek, only briefly. Around 8 PM (Sunday) I hopped into one of the white / orange taxis for a trip to Pedwest. The unusual part was instead of a you-turn at the end of the bridge the taxi made a left to go around the block near the dropoff point. (Probably no big deal but never did this before).
As soon as we headed up the street to the dropoff point, which was perhaps 50 yards away at this point, the red and white lights lit up behind us. The taxi driver started saying "ahh man!, what's up? The cop came up to the driver door where they spoke for a moment and then the driver said we need to get out. Had to put our hands on the trunk lid while the cop frisked me and took everything out of my pockets. It was notable he did not pay much attention to the driver but the driver interpreted for me. The cop asked where I live, where I work, why I needed 20 Figrals (Generic viagra). Asked how much I paid for the pills. I told them $2 ea and because I have a demanding wife. (Got a bit of a laugh).
I only bring a passport, cash, and cell phone. Only had about $10 so perhaps he was disappointed. Anyhow, nothing in it for them and I played the bewildered but friendly tourist as best I could.
Then the cop motioned to my stuff spread out on the car as if to say here you go, take it. That was it.
Curious if this is becoming a thing now.It's been a thing, off and on, for many years. It happened to me probably 10 years ago. Keep calm, keep your cash in your hand, don't offer a bribe.
Looks like that taxi driver worked with his policia friend to set up people for frisking and stealing. If you had lots of money. They would steal from you.
I have been set up to pee in front of isolated closed shops near the border crossing with no one around after midnight. I did not want to do it. Just then a policia pedaled in on his bicycle, ready to make the arrest for peeing in public. Lots of people at the border are thieves, robbers, rapists, murderers, drug dealers. They all know and work with each other to entrap visitors.
Taxi drivers are pretty much anonymous and mostly crooked. It's safer to use UBER or LYFT as you have the drivers' IDs in your phone and can take actions."Thieves, robbers, rapists". LOL ain't that the truth. My goodness the underground economy is booming in Tijuana. That border traffic must employee 10 thousand people with jobs just by looking at it, all the scams with Sentri lane, the medical pass scams at pedestrian line, the thousands of other svams I don't know about. San diego side of border is a desolate, no economic opportunity for criminals and go getters. Just 20 feet away is like 1982 in NYC with anything goes. There's not many countries with less law order than mexico left on this earth.
Dcrist0527
01-08-20, 16:09
Wow sorry to hear. Wish they had a poll option on these boards. Would be curious to know what percentage of folks here have been stopped and searched by Tijuana police. Would also be curious if there's a certain demographic of Americans they prefer to target or if it's equal opportunity harassment. (I'm African-American and Tijuana police haven't so much as even looked my way yet. My one experience with them was very cordial with them warning me to put my cell phone away to decrease the chance of it getting stolen.).I was pulled over while sitting in a taxi. I posted about it. This was fairly recent. While it was unnerving, everything was fine. It was not unlike the OPs experience. Some on this board tried to tell me I was targeted. Well, if so, they did it well because I had a lot of cash on me, on a dark deserted street at night. But after a quick search and a few questions, we were back on our way and not a penny was taken.
No doubt there are crooked cops and crooked taxi drivers. Based on my driver's actions, I don't think he was part of a setup.
I want to add that we should also avoid the well know street drug-dealers. These are the guys or girls yelling "Quatar" in public, usually out of a small hallway. While they have paid their police tax to avoid arrest, you have not. If you are next to a drug dealer while he is advertising his drugs, it is Probable Cause for a police stop and search. So get away from them.
Dcrist0527
01-09-20, 03:05
I want to add that we should also avoid the well know street drug-dealers. These are the guys or girls yelling "Quatar" in public, usually out of a small hallway. While they have paid their police tax to avoid arrest, you have not. If you are next to a drug dealer while he is advertising his drugs, it is Probable Cause for a police stop and search. So get away from them.Not trying to be argumentative. But they yell "quantos". There are also some that are less conspicuous, asking you in a normal tone as you walk by. Keep walking. I've even had a few in the more touristy areas on Revolucion.
I think you mean "cuanto?" Which is how many. At any rate, I fear Tijuana police significantly less then both NYC and San Diego cops. Every 1 mile is a red light camera with a $200 fine for police pensions in NY. In San Diego I watch police raid lower income people every day lately. Almost every day in San Diego I watch police arrest all the undesirables for bogus reasons. Literally putting a bag on the ground, or back pack, is what gets these people arrested. I've seen 15 people arrested at once for being on the beach 15 minutes after sunrise without a car to explain how they showed up at the beach. Other guys got ticket for having blanket on their car, while they were 400 feet away. I'll take Tijuana police any day.
The cuantos guys are working for a cartel. This angers the other cartels who are competing to sell drugs, so they send guys to shoot the competitor's cuantos guys. If you are around when the cuantos guys are being shot at, well, bullets can go anywhere. Best to avoid the cuantos dudes since they are bullet magnets. Good advice below "So get away from them". They attract bullets, as well as policia wanting bribes.
I want to add that we should also avoid the well know street drug-dealers. These are the guys or girls yelling "Quatar" in public, usually out of a small hallway. While they have paid their police tax to avoid arrest, you have not. If you are next to a drug dealer while he is advertising his drugs, it is Probable Cause for a police stop and search. So get away from them.
Baxter Slade
01-25-20, 16:41
We had just finished *dining in Caho on Monday afternoon. We decided to walk back to Centro* as we approached this chinese restaruant we noticed employees running out the door and up the side street**At the time we never thought it was anything major. We pretty much believed it was a dine and dash, but we could not see that they were chasing anyone. Then a car left the parking lot at high speed but assumed it was an employee joining in the chase. Later we discovered it was a hit someone walked in and put 4 bullets in a customer. In hindsight**it was probably the employees running for there lives and the killer leaving in the car.
A minute later we spotted two**state police trucks driving by and tried to flag them down. The first one ignored us the 2nd one saw*where we were pointing and turned down the street. He got about 20 feet up the block and someone who was hiding between the cars ran in front of him and stopped* him. He might have thought the shooter was still there because he took cover. And within the next minute the cops were everywhere.
These type of hits seem to happen quite frequently in restaruants. Remember it is very common for narco and mafia types to never*sit with there back to the door.
Baxter Slade
01-25-20, 16:48
An unconfirmed report stated the guy shot in the chinese restaraunt was*an off duty cop.
And then there was this the*other day.
Officer was shot in*the head and did not survive his injuries.
TIJUANA**.
*.
Gunmen opened fire on a group of Baja California state police officers who'the stopped for a late-night meal at a food truck in Tijuana Wednesday, killing one officer and wounding five others.
The shooting in the Benton neighborhood also killed the food truck vendor, who sold hot dogs, according to the state Attorney General's Office.
And then today the GF sent me this. The translation might not be 100% but a banner was found hanging on Ave Revolucion threatening police.
Many drug traffickers leave a narcomanta in revolution threatening the central state state police, they are not going to stop or tempt their hearts to shoot, so it is better not to come to Tijuana because it is going to get ugly in in Centro*🚓128659;128659;128299;.
So it looks like Tijuana is on track to maintain there ranking as the most dangerous city in the world. And keep in mind if you find yourself in close proximety to a cop you are about as safe as standing next to a cuantos guy.
This is not an attempt to thin out the weekend crowds HK attracts. But just info to make you guys aware of what is going on in Tijuana.
This seems like a hit job rather than random gang violence.
(https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/story/2020-01-23/six-state-police-officers-shot-in-tijuana-ambush).
An unconfirmed report stated the guy shot in the chinese restaraunt was*an off duty cop.
And then there was this the*other day.
Officer was shot in*the head and did not survive his injuries.
TIJUANA**.
*.
Gunmen opened fire on a group of Baja California state police officers who'the stopped for a late-night meal at a food truck in Tijuana Wednesday, killing one officer and wounding five others.
The shooting in the Benton neighborhood also killed the food truck vendor, who sold hot dogs, according to the state Attorney General's Office.
And then today the GF sent me this. The translation might not be 100% but a banner was found hanging on Ave Revolucion threatening police.
Many drug traffickers leave a narcomanta in revolution threatening the central state state police, they are not going to stop or tempt their hearts to shoot, so it is better not to come to Tijuana because it is going to get ugly in in Centro*🚓128659;128659;128299;.
So it looks like Tijuana is on track to maintain there ranking as the most dangerous city in the world. And keep in mind if you find yourself in close proximety to a cop you are about as safe as standing next to a cuantos guy.
This is not an attempt to thin out the weekend crowds HK attracts. But just info to make you guys aware of what is going on in Tijuana.
I hear of other peoples experiences with police but curious what the process between the time they stop you and you get out of jail.
1. has anyone been arrested.
2. how long did you have to wait?
3. Did they take your wallet, phone and check all your pockets like they would in the USA?
4. How did they release you?
5. What did you have to pay?
6. Did they allow you to keep your phone to make phone calls?
It's just better to know what actually happens so we can know what to expect and what we can do to minimize the bad experience.
Goyo.
I hear of other peoples experiences with police but curious what the process between the time they stop you and you get out of jail.
1. has anyone been arrested.
2. how long did you have to wait?
3. Did they take your wallet, phone and check all your pockets like they would in the USA?
4. How did they release you?
5. What did you have to pay?
6. Did they allow you to keep your phone to make phone calls?
It's just better to know what actually happens so we can know what to expect and what we can do to minimize the bad experience.
Goyo.This will be interesting, assuming you get any responses.
In all the years of going to Tijuana I can recall only one person recounting his experience getting jailed. IIRC it was just for the evening. That's been some years ago.
The cops are not interested in jailing anybody, unless you are being a complete asshole / violent / whatever. They can't be constantly traipsing before a judge with some innocent gringo in tow. That does not look good for the cop. The (bad) cops want to intimidate you into caving in and giving them money. If you don't play along, if you resist giving in, don't act intimidated, etc. , then they will usually move on to easier game.
Yea. Not sure anyone would chime in but perhaps it's also because it does not happen very often. More the intimidation to get money out of you.
Thanks for the perspective. Good to know.
Goyo.
This will be interesting, assuming you get any responses.
In all the years of going to Tijuana I can recall only one person recounting his experience getting jailed. IIRC it was just for the evening. That's been some years ago.
The cops are not interested in jailing anybody, unless you are being a complete asshole / violent / whatever. They can't be constantly traipsing before a judge with some innocent gringo in tow. That does not look good for the cop. The (bad) cops want to intimidate you into caving in and giving them money. If you don't play along, if you resist giving in, don't act intimidated, etc. , then they will usually move on to easier game.
Baxter Slade
02-13-20, 04:17
The closest I ever came to a Tijuana jail was after the GF got in a bar fight and I went to bail her out. First I had to go to the zona norte station. Thats where she saw the judge and they charged her. I could have bailed her out there, but the cops said I would be better off waiting until she got transfered to the main jail. They explained she spit at the judge and if I bailed her out there it would cost a lot more than waiting.
I went over to the main jail on Via Rapido and waited and waited about an hour and a half. She was finally brought there once she was there it did not take long at all to get her out. It cost around $75. I just don't remember if they let her keep her cell phone on her, but I'm guessing not since I had tried to reach her and there was no answer.
Thanks Baxter. I have heard that if your not doing something stupid that your chances of getting harassed is much less. But also heard of crazy shit happening to people but these are the exceptions. A Mexican guy at work got hauled to jail for having beer outside on the street. Now. Maybe he was drunk and a dick. Not sure but he did have to get bailed out of jail at 3 am.
Goyo.
The closest I ever came to a Tijuana jail was after the GF got in a bar fight and I went to bail her out. First I had to go to the zona norte station. Thats where she saw the judge and they charged her. I could have bailed her out there, but the cops said I would be better off waiting until she got transfered to the main jail. They explained she spit at the judge and if I bailed her out there it would cost a lot more than waiting.
I went over to the main jail on Via Rapido and waited and waited about an hour and a half. She was finally brought there once she was there it did not take long at all to get her out. It cost around $75. I just don't remember if they let her keep her cell phone on her, but I'm guessing not since I had tried to reach her and there was no answer.
At first, I'd think someone is paranoid to be worried about mexican lawers but its actually probably a good idea. If you get into a car accident you may need it. And if you keep going to mexico it's not far fetched to think something eventually can happen. I've seen crazy things happen in the alley, from people getting knocked out cold one punch, cops tazering naked man, a cop dragging a guy out of a bar and fighting him 10 feet from me while I was to drunk to take off so I stayed and watched. You always have the quientos guys, cops often grabbed me and pat me down when walking near them. You could end up with a chick who is having a bad moment in her life, and lies about $$, or says you hit her, a girl smacked me in head in hk last week. But, biggest concern, is drunks in bars looking for fights. I had a guy in hk last year tell me he wanted to cut my head off, after I had sat down next to him at the bar by front door. He said he was going to call his friends. I left for adelitas and another gringo said he had same problem with the guy. Few other times drunk gringos, have walked in bar, or just walked past me, seen me, and jumped in my face like they were ready to fight, or thought they knew me and were just acting crazy, one guy in hk last week was like 6'3 and just kept bouncing around slamming his fist I to his hand and acting like he wanted to fight me since the liquor does make some people want to fight. I have had a few woman friends who want to fight everyone after 2 beers. So yeah, eventually, if you keep going to bars particularly, in any country, you will probably see some stuff.
ScatManDoo
02-19-20, 06:33
I've seen crazy things happen in the alley, from people getting knocked out cold one punch, cops tazering naked man, a cop dragging a guy out of a bar and fighting him 10 feet from me while I was to drunk to take off so I stayed and watched. You always have the quientos guys, cops often grabbed me and pat me down when walking near them. You could end up with a chick who is having a bad moment in her life, and lies about $$, or says you hit her, a girl smacked me in head in hk last week. But, biggest concern, is drunks in bars looking for fights. I had a guy in hk last year tell me he wanted to cut my head off, after I had sat down next to him at the bar by front door. He said he was going to call his friends. I left for adelitas and another gringo said he had same problem with the guy. Few other times drunk gringos, have walked in bar, or just walked past me, seen me, and jumped in my face like they were ready to fight, or thought they knew me and were just acting crazy, one guy in hk last week was like 6'3 and just kept bouncing around slamming his fist I to his hand and acting like he wanted to fight me since the liquor does make some people want to fight. I have had a few woman friends who want to fight everyone after 2 beers. So yeah, eventually, if you keep going to bars particularly, in any country, you will probably see some stuff.You really want to be sure to avoid going into Hong Kong Bar on the day of the month when all the bar chicas start their periods in sync.
I'm unsure that Mexican police can stop someone without a reason. I think they still need some sort of reasonable suspicion of a crime is about to happen and you are a perp. But in a high crime area like the Zona Norte, the standard is lowered allowing LEO to better police crime. It's no different than here in the USA. The police in Compton needs a far lesser reason to stop someone than the police in Beverly Hills.
Back to the Zona, I avoid where the street drug dealers do business. One can spot these guys because they are constantly yelling "quarter" throughout the night, often within sight of a paid off cop. If you were to talk to these guys or stand next to them, you will look like you are buying drugs. It means two things to a cop. He has cause to lawfully stop and search you, and you are carrying a decent amount of cash for drugs.
Therefore avoid these drug-dealers if you want to avoid a shakedown. BTW these drug dealers operate out of a specific location / hotel. They do wander all over. They stay in their territory so they are easily avoided.
Stay safe.
Good points all around Jackie.
Just curious though, you said Zone North is high crimes area. But why? You said drugs, but who is buying the drugs, locals? If prostitution is legal in those areas and the owners of Hong Kong, adels, etc. Are mafia with policia connections, why do they still shake down tourist / mongers like us? If anything, you would think the owners of Hong Kong would tell polica to leave their customers alone!
Also, if its gang crime, why are they committing these crimes in the Zone North, so close to US border. Why not bugger off somewhere else?
Me think these mafia / cartles would make more money if they agreed NOT to harass tourists in Zone North.
Just a thought.
I'm unsure that Mexican police can stop someone without a reason. I think they still need some sort of reasonable suspicion of a crime is about to happen and you are a perp. But in a high crime area like the Zona Norte, the standard is lowered allowing LEO to better police crime. It's no different than here in the USA. The police in Compton needs a far lesser reason to stop someone than the police in Beverly Hills.
Back to the Zona, I avoid where the street drug dealers do business. One can spot these guys because they are constantly yelling "quarter" throughout the night, often within sight of a paid off cop. If you were to talk to these guys or stand next to them, you will look like you are buying drugs. It means two things to a cop. He has cause to lawfully stop and search you, and you are carrying a decent amount of cash for drugs.
Therefore avoid these drug-dealers if you want to avoid a shakedown. BTW these drug dealers operate out of a specific location / hotel. They do wander all over. They stay in their territory so they are easily avoided.
Stay safe.
Wow! I was in Hong Kong Wednesday evening, then I went to the Caesar's restaurant on Av. Revolucion and I came back to Hong Kong and I knew nothing about this shooting in the Zona Rio. Link here https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/notorious-drug-trafficker-and-cartel-assassin-arrested-in-tijuana/ Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (Border Report) — Late Wednesday night, Tijuana Police Officers responded to a robbery in progress at a car lot in the Zona Rio of Tijuana.
A group of armed men had reportedly tied up employees and tried to steal money and some of the cars, but someone managed to call for help.
Officers responded in mass and the robbers took off. A chase ensued and then a shootout.
While the suspects were being apprehended, one of them stood out. It turned out to be Isidro "Chapito" Leal, considered to be one of Mexico's most notorious assassins and drug traffickers.
Leal had eluded arrest during another shootout a few years earlier and had been on the run ever since.
Mexico Federal Police says Leal has worked for the Sinaloa cartel and its infamous leader Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman.
Chapo is a nickname that at times is given to men who aren't very tall.
Leal is also said to have worked for the Arellano Felix cartel based in Tijuana.
Some news reports have stated Leal was a drug lord, but several journalists familiar with cartels in Mexico, say Leal was a well-known "sicario" or assassin as well as a drug smuggler, but not the head of any cartel.
One reporter who wanted to remain anonymous said, "if Leal was a drug lord, he would not have been out stealing cars. ".
Through Friday afternoon, Leal had been kept at the Federal Police headquarters in Tijuana not too far from the car lot he reportedly tried to rob.
At some point, Leal is expected to be flown to Mexico City, and then in the future, likely extradited to the United States.
Wow! I was in Hong Kong Wednesday evening, then I went to the Caesar's restaurant on Av. Revolucion and I came back to Hong Kong and I knew nothing about this shooting in the Zona Rio. Link here https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/notorious-drug-trafficker-and-cartel-assassin-arrested-in-tijuana/ Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (Border Report) Late Wednesday night, Tijuana Police Officers responded to a robbery in progress at a car lot in the Zona Rio of Tijuana.
A group of armed men had reportedly tied up employees and tried to steal money and some of the cars, but someone managed to call for help.
Officers responded in mass and the robbers took off. A chase ensued and then a shootout.Even if he was a sicario rather than a drug lord, it's funny that he was caught stealing cars. Wonder if his sicario reputation took a hit after this. LOL.
Sounds like good times in tijuana. What a crazy wild wild west place. I bet I'd be bored to death in the rest of Mexico's cities. I miss Tijuana and it's only been week and a half. Been going to taco Tuesdays to drink tecate and pretend I'm in Tijuana.
Good points all around Jackie.
Just curious though, you said Zone North is high crimes area. But why? You said drugs, but who is buying the drugs, locals? If prostitution is legal in those areas and the owners of Hong Kong, adels, etc. Are mafia with policia connections, why do they still shake down tourist / mongers like us? If anything, you would think the owners of Hong Kong would tell polica to leave their customers alone!
Also, if its gang crime, why are they committing these crimes in the Zone North, so close to US border. Why not bugger off somewhere else?
Me think these mafia / cartles would make more money if they agreed NOT to harass tourists in Zone North.
Just a thought.First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.
Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.
I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.
HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money.
I'm not sure why you think the proximity to the US border would have any effect on cartel / gang behavior.
Lastly, neither the cartels, nor the bar owners, nor anybody else in the ZN gives a fart in a windstorm about you, the customer. You're there to give them your money, and when the money is gone, you had better be, too. The cartels aren't actively harassing tourists. They make tons of money already, and causing serious harm to tourists will absolutely result in a whole lot of unwanted attention. The cops harass tourists, but the cops have been doing that since the Spaniards shook down the Incas. The cartels don't care what the cops do "on their own time," as it were. They just care that the cops do for them, the cartels, what the cops are paid to do.
LuvMexicanas
02-23-20, 22:17
Quit being so rational. Let fear and irrationality prevail. Anything that keeps one less pene from being in the mix works for me.
DramaFree11
02-24-20, 01:56
First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.
Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.
I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.
HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money..Sorry, I have to disagree with most of your post. I do not feel that I am ripped off at HK at all, in fact completely the opposite. You guys are always going to find something to complain about.
First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.
Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.
I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.
HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money.
I'm not sure why you think the proximity to the US border would have any effect on cartel / gang behavior.
Lastly, neither the cartels, nor the bar owners, nor anybody else in the ZN gives a fart in a windstorm about you, the customer. You're there to give them your money, and when the money is gone, you had better be, too. The cartels aren't actively harassing tourists. They make tons of money already, and causing serious harm to tourists will absolutely result in a whole lot of unwanted attention. The cops harass tourists, but the cops have been doing that since the Spaniards shook down the Incas. The cartels don't care what the cops do "on their own time," as it were. They just care that the cops do for them, the cartels, what the cops are paid to do.Agree 100%.
A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.
If you compare HK with other clubs, you run a far greater risk of being ripped off in other clubs, particularly ones run by the Russian or Ukrainian mafia. Clubs in Florida run by the Russian mob are notorious for ripping off customers. Heard of a guy charged $40,000 for a few drinks, who then got tackled by security when he found out the bill and tried to leave. Likewise, another tourist in an Ukrainian club was beaten up by bouncers and sent to the hospital when he refused to pay thousands of dollars for a few drinks in Odessa. HK and Mexican clubs post the drink prices on the wall and do not have security beat you up if you do not pay. Always ask to see the drink price list before ordering. Unless you want Boris the Bouncer to give you a massage with his fists when you won't or can't pay $40,000 on your credit card for a 6 pack of beer.
Sorry, I have to disagree with most of your post. I do not feel that I am ripped off at HK at all, in fact completely the opposite. You guys are always going to find something to complain about.
First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.
Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.
I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.
HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money..Yep. Pretty accurate.
DramaFree11
02-24-20, 19:57
If you compare HK with other clubs, you run a far greater risk of being ripped off in other clubs, particularly ones run by the Russian or Ukrainian mafia. Clubs in Florida run by the Russian mob are notorious for ripping off customers. Heard of a guy charged $40,000 for a few drinks, who then got tackled by security when he found out the bill and tried to leave. Likewise, another tourist in an Ukrainian club was beaten up by bouncers and sent to the hospital when he refused to pay thousands of dollars for a few drinks in Odessa. HK and Mexican clubs post the drink prices on the wall and do not have security beat you up if you do not pay. Always ask to see the drink price list before ordering. Unless you want Boris the Bouncer to give you a massage with his fists when you won't or can't pay $40,000 on your credit card for a 6 pack of beer.Well said, and they are way more expensive then HK and many scams as well.
LuvMexicanas
02-24-20, 20:31
A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.Oh man. Where do I even start. I don't have the bandwidth to write the thesis that this topic warrants, but high level: these vary by nationality, class or level, and whether it is located in the States or in the old country. In some, sex is a sure thing and others not. I'll stop there, as ot is somewhat off topic for this thread.
DramaFree11
02-24-20, 22:32
A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.Just makes no sense to me, how guys can keep complaining. I have been all over the world, minus Asia and nothing comes close to HK.
Makes a lot of sense. Appreciate it your thoughts.
First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.
Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.
I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.
HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money..
We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.
When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.
I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.
Goyo.
Makes a lot of sense. Appreciate it your thoughts.
Captain Solo
02-25-20, 11:07
Travv,
A supplier, a big shot in Dallas' industry and a big spender in strip joints, took me and a couple of his employees to the Baby Dolls strip club one night. We were sitting on a couch set away from the main stage, talking, drinking expensive Cognacs. A spinner came by, looked like a tan Mexican sweetheart, asked me if I wanted lap dances to which I declined. She went to one of the employees, started non-contact dancing in front of him and continued dancing for a long time. The poor guy knew shit about how clip joints work; the host was too drunk to notice. I thought the girl would bill them for many songs but I assumed the host had arrangements with the club and did not want to offend him.
When we were ready to leave, they gave the host a bill for over $6,000 for all those dances she did in front of the guy. The host was a frequent customer at the club, entertaining his clients frequently, but when he balked, 4 tall, beefy guys surrounded us menacingly. After a long, heated argument with the manager, the host had to pay for half of the lap dances. He was a nice guy, always indulging his clients and workers, but I would act more assertively, making sure I know the cost of everything before I buy anything.
A wingman, who speaks perfect Mandarin, was lured by pretty Chinese girls into bars and tea shops twice, in Beijing and Shanghai, despite reading and knowing about the the Chinese tea house tricks. When he found out sex was not in the card and got ready to leave, he was presented with bills for about $20 K with a couple muscular guys threatening him. He had to put the charges on his American Express card but later contested and got the charges reversed. This was the case where the dick overrode the brain, not once but twice.
A few years back before the crack down, I went to KTVs in China many times, ShenZhen, ChongPing, Beijing, Shanghai, where girls usually went with clients to the hotel for all night sex. All prices in China's KTVs sex venues were clear; no hidden charges were ever attempted. But I got extorted and threatened a few times in Karaoke bars in Indonesia and Vietnam and had to pay partial bills to avoid wasting time.
Compared to rip off sexy joints in the rest of the world, Hong Kong is cheap, fair, safe, professional, entertaining with an excellent selection of hundreds hot girls every night, non stop entertainment with strip dances and lesbian shows, and warm companies of sweet, young girls, all for a lot less money. Guys keep packing into HK every night for good reasons. It was funny to see lots of guys taking selfies with the Hong Kong front door like it was a real Unesco's World Heritage site hehe.
We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.
When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.
I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.
Goyo.Goyo, don't sell your self short. Being over 40 doesn't make it impossible to get a cute girlfriend in tijuana. Yeah San Diego is a sausage fest. Every bar or coffee place is full of men. But Tijuana woman will date a older guy if you fit one of their needs. Good job, or look good, etc.
Goyo, don't sell your self short. Being over 40 doesn't make it impossible to get a cute girlfriend in tijuana. Yeah San Diego is a sausage fest. Every bar or coffee place is full of men. But Tijuana woman will date a older guy if you fit one of their needs. Good job, or look good, etc.I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.
Interesting. I didn't realize Mexican women were less sensitive about age. The more I learn about the culture. The more I really love the people. When I was in Japan for work I knew a guy from the US who moved to Japan for over 10 years and has had a Japanese girlfriend. He said Japanese are nice to him but he will always be an outsider. Not sure exactly what that means but not sure if it's like that in Mexico as well.
Goyo.
I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.
We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.
When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.
I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.
Goyo.If you like the place, it's your money. Spend it how you wish and enjoy doing so. But I will point out that a company who cares about their customers also cares about their employees. HK does neither.
In HK the meseros must pay to work there. So, at the beginning of a shift they are already in the hole. Now they have to earn enough in tips, and from stealing / shortchanging / whatever to break even, and then make a profit. HK makes that even more difficult by hiring a shitload of meseros. Why? HK makes more money that way. They don't give a shit if a mesero makes money or not. If not, there's another deportee behind him. If the mesero rips off a customer, they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught. Does this sound like a great company? Do you really think a mesero in this position cares much about his customers? Do you think a bar with this sort of business practice cares about clientele?
HK (technically a different owner, same family) charges almost $20 for 30 minutes in a marginal room, almost double that for an hour. This isn't squeezing every dime? Yes, you can get a discount on a room for the night. But there is method in their madness. You're then pretty much committed to HK for the duration of your visit, or perhaps to the alley.
The a-hole doorman demands $1 for a robe in order for the girls to walk 5 feet. That's just bullshit nickel-and-dime stuff, hardly good customer service.
Fichas are what, $9? They used to be $6 and the girls got like 30 pesos, which was around $3. Today they're up to $9, the girl gets something like 34 pesos, which equates to less than $2. The girls do all the work hustling the beers (which the bar gets for free according to one HK bartender) and they get shit on each time one is sold. Yep, that's a company that cares about their employees. And that attitude trickles down.
Tijuana has no shortage of hostess bars. IMO the ones that don't cater to gringos offer a better overall experience.
I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.Get out to Cabanna on a weekend, or Mala Noche No, or a dozen other joints where the fresas hang out. Oh, yes, there are shitloads of princesses who most likely wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
The girls from more modest backgrounds tend to overlook significant age differences.
Captain Solo
02-26-20, 20:01
Goyo,
Your friend was already boring a tunnel inside her coochie.
How much more inside did he want?
This is true!
G.
Goyo,
Your friend was already boring a tunnel inside her coochie.
How much more inside did he want?
There are million other experiences I would like to have down there. Not solo so would check out with a wingman which have not found yet.
Is the Cabanna the one near the casino?
Goyo.
Get out to Cabanna on a weekend, or Mala Noche No, or a dozen other joints where the fresas hang out. Oh, yes, there are shitloads of princesses who most likely wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
The girls from more modest backgrounds tend to overlook significant age differences.
There are million other experiences I would like to have down there. Not solo so would check out with a wingman which have not found yet.
Is the Cabanna the one near the casino?
Goyo.It's a restaurant on the top floor of Paseo Chapultepec.
GTF out of HK. Find an escort or civvie to go with. There are loads of indies who will be happy to spend a bit of time with a gringo for a few bux.
LuvMexicanas
03-06-20, 22:21
I've made about a dozen or so trips now to Tijuana and it finally happened. A police officer stopped me as I was near Hotel Nelson coming from the Zona to stop and search me. I grabbed my wallet and cash in one hand and my phone in the other, he did a quick search, found nothing and sent me on my way. Just before letting me go he asked where I was going and I said to drink cheap 15 peso beer at El Copeo. The entire interaction took maybe a couple minutes and it was no biggie because I followed the advice many of you have shared. Thanks.
The cops will often tell you they need to search your wallet. If so insist on holding your cash in your hand.
I've made about a dozen or so trips now to Tijuana and it finally happened. A police officer stopped me as I was near Hotel Nelson coming from the Zona to stop and search me. I grabbed my wallet and cash in one hand and my phone in the other, he did a quick search, found nothing and sent me on my way. Just before letting me go he asked where I was going and I said to drink cheap 15 peso beer at El Copeo. The entire interaction took maybe a couple minutes and it was no biggie because I followed the advice many of you have shared. Thanks.
LuvMexicanas
03-07-20, 02:48
The cops will often tell you they need to search your wallet. If so insist on holding your cash in your hand.My wallet is not really a wallet but point taken. It holds four cards: my AMEX, ATM, License and MasterCard. There's really nowhere to insert cash in it which makes it the perfect wallet for Tijuana I suppose.
Captain Solo
03-07-20, 23:26
Friday midnight before leaving HK, I told my wingmen to hide their money as usual. I left just a few bucks in the wallet to see if they may go missing. With 3 of us in the car, my wingman was driving back to the border via Calle 1 and F Martinez to avoid policia cars hiding on the East side of Coahuila and Madero.
We waited for on Calle 1 near the trannie station for a policia car to pull ahead, but he waited and waited, then suddenly pulled out, did an you turn and drove against traffic on the one way street. We continued on calle 1, seeing no more policia cars, but just when we turned South into the dark F Martinez, policia beacons lit up behind us. We pulled right near the lighted intersection.
My wingman has gone through 3 or 4 policia checks with me so he was calm and cool. Policia bearing no name badges checked his driver license, car registration, asked him stupid questions like if he drank or did any drugs, of course he denied. They asked all 3 of us out of the car, searching pockets, wallets, but did not take anything. 2 more cars with their sergeant showed up with 6 cops. They asked us to sit on the curb while the shone lights into the car, searching. I was trying to memorize their cars' numbers and their faces.
After 3 to 5 minutes, they announced we were free to go. Looked like a routine check with no attempt to shake down.
When I visit I only carry my passport card, ATM card & cash.
My wallet is not really a wallet but point taken. It holds four cards: my AMEX, ATM, License and MasterCard. There's really nowhere to insert cash in it which makes it the perfect wallet for Tijuana I suppose.
FormulaOneFan
03-08-20, 04:42
Knock wood, I've not gotten shaken down as of yet. I carry bare minimum when I'm out in the zona. Cash, smokes, ATM card, and ID. Everything else locked up in the safe at Ticuan.
Captain Solo
03-08-20, 05:33
Last week I was driving in Ensenada, got stopped twice by policia but not searched. Friday midnight this week we were driving among half dozen other cars but were pulled over for a search. It seems we were stopped more frequently than usual, and the tiny sports car may be the main cause, attracting more policia attention.
If they had found any drugs, even MJ, or guns, knives, they would haul us to jail waiting for the judge. That would be a big headache. So far they have been straight and professional.
So, it's wise not to carry any illegal drugs with you while in Tijuana or anywhere in Mexico. Anything you want can be bought in the bars.
There was a policia car parked near the HK taco stand. I was walking toward the alley and they stopped me. I think they asked me where I was going and about my pockets. I just told them that I was going to HK and I had cash, passport, phone, and keys in my pockets. They didn't bother to search me and just let me go. The interaction took about 15 seconds. They're out there fishing but not hard.
My guess is there are Sapos (Toads, Spanish slang for Snitches) watching for foreign HK and other club partiers leaving Zona Norte in their cars, then they get a split of the take from the Policia when they tip off the Policia. One night I was leaving Pepe's and I noticed that the lot attendant took a long time to get to the booth then open the gate. Once out and driving off, I got lit up by the Policia. I was able to speak Spanish and explain I had nothing to drink but water and wanted to see the Juez. I was made to walk around to show I wasn't drunk and got frisked, but in the end, they let me go without mordida. Since then, I get a hotel room at night, do not drive at night, and have not been stopped for a DUI check by the policia since then. Beware if you are driving at night from HK for the Sapos are watching you!
The literal meaning of SAPO in Spanish is toad. But, in Colombia a SAPO can also be a person that is a tattletale, someone who sticks his nose in other people's business, or someone who answers a question when the question wasn't directed at him. The expression is "No Sea Sapo. " -- don't be a tattletale or busybody.
Last week I was driving in Ensenada, got stopped twice by policia but not searched. Friday midnight this week we were driving among half dozen other cars but were pulled over for a search. It seems we were stopped more frequently than usual, and the tiny sports car may be the main cause, attracting more policia attention.
If they had found any drugs, even MJ, or guns, knives, they would haul us to jail waiting for the judge. That would be a big headache. So far they have been straight and professional.
So, it's wise not to carry any illegal drugs with you while in Tijuana or anywhere in Mexico. Anything you want can be bought in the bars.
Captain Solo
03-09-20, 20:00
Hi Travv.
At night Policia patrol cars were on every street in and out of La Zona. Policia has plenty of targets. There are no needs for snitches. Our last couple stops they were looking for drugs or weapons, searching our pockets, but did not steal anything or hassle us for mordidas. Meanwhile there are always a couple guys selling drugs in the alley not far from the patrol car.
Friday night policia had a road block on Benito Juarez, corner O'Campo, looking into every car, probably for fugitives heading back to US or Tecate. They motioned for us to pass quickly.
I have been stopped and searched so many times in Mexico I got used to it, and not a bit worried. Policias are just doing their assigned jobs. If you are not drunk or carry drugs they cannot bust you. I think of these guys as broke body guards. The last time they caught me stopping long on Coahuila, they wanted 400-peso tip to let me go. Those occasional mordidas are cheaper and better than having to spend the night in Tijuana.
Last week I was driving in Ensenada, got stopped twice by policia but not searched. Friday midnight this week we were driving among half dozen other cars but were pulled over for a search. It seems we were stopped more frequently than usual, and the tiny sports car may be the main cause, attracting more policia attention.
If they had found any drugs, even MJ, or guns, knives, they would haul us to jail waiting for the judge. That would be a big headache. So far they have been straight and professional.
So, it's wise not to carry any illegal drugs with you while in Tijuana or anywhere in Mexico. Anything you want can be bought in the bars.Last week I walked pass a moron vaping in public. I was 10 feet from him and I smelled pot. This is the reason Tijuana cops are asking visitors what's in their pockets. Fucking idiot was completely clueless.
Captain Solo
03-11-20, 07:16
Jackie,
The dealers selling drugs in the alley have to be obvious to the cops posted at the West end, but they are never searched.
They must be paying off the cops to keep selling.
ClamSlammer
03-11-20, 08:50
Last week I walked pass a moron vaping in public...This is the reason Tijuana cops are asking visitors what's in their pockets.Ummm no, it's not. Tijuana cops have been stopping and harassing gringos since long before vaping was invented.
Jackie,
The dealers selling drugs in the alley have to be obvious to the cops posted at the West end, but they are never searched.
They must be paying off the cops to keep selling.Protection tax. Cops probably use the same line of reasoning when lifting a bill from a monger during a search. Supplemental income aka, involuntary tourist tax.
I got to admit, Zona Norte cops are paid a little low to protect tourists from bullets and muggings.
Captain Solo
03-13-20, 08:16
Jackie.
The fags are afraid of policia and keep beetching about policia shakedowns.
They should understand that, unlike the US, Mexico is wild and lawless, with lots of criminals, cartels, thieves. Murderers, rapists. Policias have their jobs to protect the public. If AMLO stops paying for policias, Army and Marina to patrol La Zona, every day a dozen mongers would have their throats slit and their money taken.
I understand Tijuana policias' low pay, hard work, extreme hazards. I treat them like my personal bodyguards, being friendly and reasonable with them, showing them empathy, occasionally giving them some money to feed their poor wives and kids when they need it, just a very small cost to play in La Zona.
Jackie.
The fags are afraid of policia and keep beetching about policia shakedowns.
They should understand that, unlike the US, Mexico is wild and lawless, with lots of criminals, cartels, thieves. Murderers, rapists. Policias have their jobs to protect the public. If AMLO stops paying for policias, Army and Marina to patrol La Zona, every day a dozen mongers would have their throats slit and their money taken.
I understand Tijuana policias' low pay, hard work, extreme hazards. I treat them like my personal bodyguards, being friendly and reasonable with them, showing them empathy, occasionally giving them some money to feed their poor wives and kids when they need it, just a very small cost to play in La Zona.Yes la policia es tu amigo in tijuana. I've been to td j 100 times in 4 years, never sit in hk, always wander the streets at least before midnight. The policia is the best thing to ever happen to gringo. Even if they take $. Why? Cause they are watching. In fact, I've been patted down 6 times, always with $ in wallet, they never took a penny. In azule I wanted to buy them dinner. But I didn't want to offend. Next time I will. These guys don't want to arest you for nothing. If you have knife or weed your out of luck. Otherwise they are your friend.
I believe there is occasional crackdowns. A few times I have seen the police stop and arrest them. I have also noticed there seems to different dealers. My guess is that the police arrest them and new ones come in.
Jackie,
The dealers selling drugs in the alley have to be obvious to the cops posted at the West end, but they are never searched.
They must be paying off the cops to keep selling.
I believe there is occasional crackdowns. A few times I have seen the police stop and arrest them. I have also noticed there seems to different dealers. My guess is that the police arrest them and new ones come in.Most of the drug sale is inside HK anyways.
In Tijuana, Mexico, a young woman was obsessively stalked, even after death link https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/tijuana-mexico-young-woman-was-obsessively-stalked-even-after-death-n1146961.
Relatives suspected the man who showed up at her funeral had stalked and killed her. "The level of suffering is so many degrees, it's so painful. ".
March 2, 2020,7:32 AM PST.
By Associated Press.
MEXICO CITY — The man was obsessed with Marbella Valdez. He sent her gifts, bought food for her friends. Prosecutors say he even planted a tracking device on her car.
And when the 20-year-old law student's body, beaten, bound and strangled, was found at a Tijuana garbage dump, he approached police to demand the case be solved. He even turned up at her funeral bearing a floral arrangement and wearing a T-shirt with her photograph and the feminist slogan "Not One More Woman" printed on it.
A week later, he was arrested and charged with her murder.
The man — identified by Mexican rules only by his first name, Juan — has insisted on his innocence.
Authorities in the border state of Baja California confirmed that the suspect is the man seen in photographs depositing flowers on Marbella's coffin as it was lowered into the ground on Feb. 14.
By that time, Marbella's family already believed he was the one who killed her, but they couldn't say a word.
"And the guy showed up at the funeral and we had to shut our mouths, which was the hardest thing in the world," said William H. Messick, a San Diego software executive who has run a self-funded non-profit since 2014 to help youngsters like Marbella as they age out of orphanages. While he never legally adopted her, Marbella considered him a father.
"I wanted to throw up every time I saw him, I wanted to kill him," Messick said. "And we're getting thrown under the bus. In the media, people are like, 'Oh my God, why did they let him go to the funeral?' We had no choice, we had to play along, otherwise he would have fled, or he would have killed Brenda (Marbella's adoptive sister). ".
The pair, Messick and Brenda Villarreal, had done much of the investigation after she disappeared on Feb. 5. Within a few hours, Brenda got a message from her: Someone had apparently taken Marbella's phone and sent out messages impersonating her.
"We knew it wasn't her when I first read a message I got," Brenda said. "It said, 'I feel bad, I'm going to see the dr,' and my sister doesn't write that way. ".
Marbella had grown up in a Tijuana orphanage and Messick paid her rent and ensured she went to school. In return, he expected she would go to church and not allow any men, even him, into her apartment.
Juan had started pursuing Marbella, a 20-year-old law student, since mid-2019, targeting her mainly at her day job as a pump attendant at an all-female gas station in Tijuana.
He had been trying to win Marbella's trust for months, giving her chocolate, flowers, stuffed animals and other gifts.
"I would ask her and she just kind of laughed it off, she didn't really take it seriously. " Messick said. "I'm like, 'Are you interested in this guy?' And she's like, 'Oh no, of course not. ' . Constantly there was more stuff in her apartment, and like a giant teddy bear. She just always laughed it off. She thought it was hilarious, and thought it was not a big deal. ".
Juan would show up to the gas station where she worked, and bring breakfast to all Marbella's co-workers.
That seemed harmless enough: "he would try to win everybody over, everybody thought he was great," Messick said.
But a more sinister side gradually emerged. Messick said Juan seemed always to know where Marbella was. After his arrest, police found a GPS locating device to Marbella's car, and Messick said he believed the man may have taken a copy of the keys to her apartment.
Marbella disappeared on Feb. 5 and her family quickly managed to get into her messaging accounts. They were later able use them to determine her location after she disappeared, which matched Juan's location.
"This guy Juan, when we hacked her WhatsApp account, he noticed," Messick recalled. "he called and said, 'Oh, this is interesting, her WhatsApp account is active. ' It wasn't like, 'Oh my God, she's connected. ' It was like, 'No, it's interesting. ' . And like 2 hours later, that's when her body showed up. I think he realized we were on to him. ".
The suspect once reportedly worked as a sort of civilian intern for a police forensic office and liked to present himself as a former cop, though he never was one. He also approached police to find out information on their investigation of Marbella's death, according to prosecutors quoted by the newspaper El Imparcial.
State prosecutors said they had more evidence when they arrested Juan on Feb. 21, including GPS location data from his phone showing he had been with Marbella after she disappeared and his DNA was found under the dead woman's fingernails.
For three days after her disappearance, relatives had been telling police they suspected Juan of taking her; Brenda believes that if they had searched Juan's house, they could have found her alive. "I told them, if you had acted, my sister might still be alive," Brenda said.
"The level of suffering is so many degrees, it's so painful," Messick said, days after the initial arraignment. "The guy was smiling at the hearing. ".
Associated Press.
Murder toll in Tijuana surpasses 300 in 2020.
BORDER REPORT.
By: Salvador Rivera link https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/murder-toll-in-tijuana-is-already-past-300-in-2020/.
Posted: Mar 6, 2020/01:38 PM PST / Updated: Mar 6, 2020/03:40 PM PST.
TIJUANA, Mexico (Border Report) — Crime figures recently released by the Baja California State Police reveal that Tijuana has experienced a high number of murders so far in 2020.
The shocking number that jumps out: 327. That's the number of murders so far this year.
The killings are attributed to the ongoing wave of violence between rival cartels just south of the USA -Mexico border in Tijuana.
In comparison, the number of murders just north of the border in San Diego was 50 for all of 2019.
The level of violent robberies is also up, according to stats furnished by Baja State Police. This type of crime has seen a 40% increase in the first 10 weeks of the year. The latest involved a dry cleaning business, where the thieves brutally assaulted one of the employees.
A citizen's group, called Consejo Ciudadanos de Seguridad Publica, has an advisory function and serves as a liaison between residents and public safety agencies.
According to CCSP, the Tijuana Municipal Police doesn't have the resources to properly patrol the streets. "There's a shortage of patrol cars, equipment and personnel," said Juan Manuel Hernandez Niebla, head of the CCSP in Tijuana.
Tijuana's mayor, Arturo Gonzalez Cruz, responded by saying his administration has "already doubled efforts to try and cut down crime.
Captain Solo
03-14-20, 08:49
StRobert.
There are a lot of new gas stations with all young female attendants wearing uniforms scattered all over Tijuana. Did not see one in Ensenada.
Some of these gas girls are hot. Guys may want to drive around putting gas in their cars and try to pick up hot dates.
In Tijuana, Mexico, a young woman was obsessively stalked, even after death link https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/tijuana-mexico-young-woman-was-obsessively-stalked-even-after-death-n1146961.
Relatives suspected the man who showed up at her funeral had stalked and killed her. "The level of suffering is so many degrees, it's so painful. ".
March 2, 2020,7:32 AM PST.
By Associated Press.
MEXICO CITY The man was obsessed with Marbella Valdez. He sent her gifts, bought food for her friends. Prosecutors say he even planted a tracking device on her car.I hope the girl's family or village take up a collection to gift to the convict's prison guards. They can look the other way while the convict commits suicide by tying him self up and hanging himself, or accidentally fall on a knife and bleed to death, or accidentally shoots himself in the back of the head with a gun he must have smuggled inside by himself. The Mexican legal system is different than ours.
Why new diseases keep appearing in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54&t=6s
StRobert.
There are a lot of new gas stations with all young female attendants wearing uniforms scattered all over Tijuana. Did not see one in Ensenada.
Some of these gas girls are hot. Guys may want to drive around putting gas in their cars and try to pick up hot dates.
Why new diseases keep appearing in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54&t=6sYou don't need to spam every forum with. And it nothing to do with the post you're replying to.
LuvMexicanas
03-15-20, 18:37
You don't need to spam every forum with. And it nothing to do with the post you're replying to.Never have I agreed more. Great post.
Captain Solo
03-15-20, 19:44
Sound7,
That's a very informative video. Now we understand why and how most deadly infectious diseases are caused by Chinese people eating and commingling with wild animals.
The Chinese population has a lot of unscientific beliefs in the health and medicinal benefits of strange things they eat and drink. It's proof China is still a poor and backward country.
The traditional Chinese herbal medical doctors are the cruelest jokes. They bold face advertise allover Asian and Chinese newspapers, claiming to have the herbal cures for all ails, cancer, heart diseases, diabetes, tuberculosis, impotence ect The LA Times investigated herbal doctors in LA, who offered concoctions advertised to cure all terminal diseases. A flu concoction was analyzed and found to contain mercury 1000 x level of safe exposure. The mercury lodges in and shuts down the kidney permanently, making patients sweat out the body's waste. Herbal doctors said that was proof they cured the flu, but patients' kidneys are permanently destroyed.
Captain Solo
03-15-20, 20:35
The Government Accountability Office is an independent investigating arm of US Congress. Its reports are credible, highly valued and carry a lot of weight.
For decades, sand and water at the beaches in Imperial Beach an Coronado island are brown with human waste overflowed from Tijuana's broken sewage system, carrying E Coli, lots of other deadly pathogens, heavy toxic metals and poisons from dirty industries. CBP agents get sick patrolling along the Tijuana river and have filed law suits.
Unless you want to get infected with terminal diseases, tt's prudent to avoid the soil, air and water near the Tijuana river and Imperial beach.
https://cnsnews.com/article/national/bruce-truax/gao-sewage-flowing-mexico-us-causes-california-beach-close-every-year
GAO: Sewage Flowing From Mexico into USA Causes California Beach to Close – Every Year.
By Bruce Truax.
March 11,2020.
2:30 pm EDT.
/CNSNews.com/ -- Since 2003, sewage water flowing through the Tijuana River from Mexico into the United States has contaminated some public beach area in Imperial Beach in Southern California, forcing officials to close these areas for at least one quarter of the year and sometimes half the year, according to a report by the USA Government Accountability Office.
Currently, the southern portion of the beach in Imperial Beach is closed because of the sewage from Mexico, according to the San Diego County website and Art Ayala, lieutenant of the Safety Department of Imperial Beach.
"After a heavy rainfall. The mist off those breaking waves has caused us, myself included, to / have some / ill-effects," Ayala told CNS News by telephone. "Anything from headaches to sore throats to sinus issues and that's just from breathing. That air off the ocean. You can definitely smell sewage, rotten odors coming off the ocean."
Ayala added that the sewage turns the ocean "brown."
The GAO reported, "wastewater pipeline breaks in Mexico continue to send sewage across the border, and storm water from Mexico continues to carry trash from city streets, sediment, and bacteria into the United States. Stormwater runs off paved surfaces or other impervious areas into water bodies and may contain pollutants that the water picks up as it runs over such surfaces."
"In the Tijuana River Valley watershed, from 2003 through 2017, officials from the City of Imperial Beach, California, closed public beaches for at least one-quarter of the year and up to half the year in some years due to sewage contamination, according to data from the city," reported the GAO.
The report, International Boundary and Water Commission: Opportunities Exist to Address Water Quality Problems, released in February, says that poor infrastructure in Mexico has resulted in millions of gallons of untreated water coming into the United States across the border. This water contains sewage, heavy metals, and E. Coli. / P. 37.
During periods of intense rain, Mexican-operated treatment plants, sewer systems, and sewage pipelines overflow into the Tijuana River, which flows across the border from Mexico into the United States. Because of the higher elevation on the Mexican side, the water flows from the south to the north.
Mexico operates a pump station named CILA -- Commission International de Limites why Aguas -- which is along the Tijuana River. As the GAO explains, "According to a 2019 study, Tijuana has not built sufficient sewage infrastructure to serve the area's exponential population growth and urbanization. When problems arise with Tijuana's treatment facilities, the city diverts a portion of its wastewater for treatment at the South Bay Plant in California.
"In these instances, the Mexican utility may also shut down Pump Station CILA, a main pump located in the Tijuana River that diverts the river to the treatment plant. If the South Bay plant is not notified and does not shut down its pump and canyon collectors, it may receive additional flows."
Trash buildup is also a cause for sewage flows. In January 2020, a trash buildup on a sewer drain caused putrid water to back up into Tijuana River. Then in June 2019, 1.9 million gallons of wastewater were released into the Tijuana River because of trash buildup at one of the pumps along the Tijuana River that caused the pump to fail.
Storm water washes trash into the Tijuana River, and sewer systems near the Tijuana River. The USIBWC, USA Customs and Border Protection, and state park employees remove trash periodically from these areas. However, this action is not sufficient during intense rainfall.
The contaminated water flows into the Tijuana River, which flows across the border through the Tijuana Slough National Wildlife Refuge, where it empties into the Pacific Ocean a few miles north of the border, near the City of Imperial Beach, Calif.
You. S officials say Mexico does not have the means to properly and consistently maintain and operate their pipelines and pumps, according to the GAO. In 2019, 1.9 million gallons of wastewater flowed into the United States due to a sewage pipe spill. In February of 2017, a pipeline rupture near the Tijuana River sent 143 million gallons of sewage-contaminated water flowing into the you. S from Mexico, according to the report.
Sewage and toxic metals from Mexico have also flooded the streets of Nogales, Mexico, said the GAO.
As part of a 1944 treaty with Mexico, the United States agreed to treat some of the waste from Mexican sewer systems. For instance, an International Outfall Interceptor / IOI / pipeline connects Nogales, Mexico and Nogales, Arizona through a United States-operated waste treatment system.
Due to a poor sewer system, the streets of Nogales in Mexico flood during heavy rainfall. According to July 2018 Arizona Department of Environmental Quality / ADEQ / report, the citizens of Nogales, Mexico have lifted manhole covers to the sewer system to drain the streets. This overloads the sewer system and the sewage floods the you. S sewer system and then leaks into the streets of Nogales, Arizona.
In 2017, Santa Cruz County Health Services and the Arizona Department of Health issued notices of elevated levels of E. Coli due to untreated sewage leaking from the sewers.
It's not just sewage that's flowing into the United States. Metal-plating factories in Nogales, Mexico dump heavy metals directly into the sewer system, and this metal eventually makes its way into the you. S sewage system.
Wastewater is also flowing from the Nogales Arizona International Outfall Interceptor pipeline / IOI / into the Santa Cruz River in Arizona.
The IOI is eroded and broken in several areas and no government entity is willing to maintain it. Currently, there is a dispute over who is responsible for the maintenance of IOI.
The you. S Commission that manages wastewater along the Mexican border / USIBWC / claims that the city of Nogales is responsible for its maintenance. However, Nogales city managers claim they do not have that responsibility.
In 2005, the USIBWC proposed a $50 million plan to fix the IOI. However, the project has not started due to funding disagreements between Arizona, USIBWC and the city of Nogales.
In its recommendations, the GAO said Congress should authorize the USIBWC to "identify alternatives" to fix the water quality problems in the Tijuana River Valley watershed. In addition, the GAO said the USA Commissioner of the IBWC "should work with the Mexican Commissioner to formalize a binational rapid response team to address sewage infrastructure failures along the USA -Mexico border, including the Nogales and South Bay wastewater treatment plants."
The commissioner should also direct "USIBWC staff to conduct long-term capital planning for the Santa Cruz River Basin and Tijuana River Valley watersheds."
To read the GAO report, click here.
The CNSNews Team.
So true, USA Congress pass legislation but the funds is not available cleaning the river. A shell politics. Mexico has no funding but depend on USA.
NGO are in charge.
The Government Accountability Office is an independent investigating arm of US Congress. Its reports are credible, highly valued and carry a lot of weight.
For decades, sand and water at the beaches in Imperial Beach an Coronado island are brown with human waste overflowed from Tijuana's broken sewage system, carrying E Coli, lots of other deadly pathogens, heavy toxic metals and poisons from dirty industries. CBP agents get sick patrolling along the Tijuana river and have filed law suits.
Unless you want to get infected with terminal diseases, tt's prudent to avoid the soil, air and water near the Tijuana river and Imperial beach.
Captain Solo
03-16-20, 22:04
Effluents from the Tijuana river flows South towards Playa, Popotla, Puerto Nuevo. I would avoid all those beaches too.
My neighbors went on a cruise to Ensenada and swam on a beach. The whole group was infected with Hepatitis A; those who stayed on the ship did not. They were scared shitless of Mexico.
Mexico beaches, Cancun, Acapulco, Puerta Vallarta ect are all inundated with raw sewage for decades. Rio de Janeiro's bay is gray and loaded with raw sewage, smelling like a toilet even from the top of Sugar Loaf. However, I found no pollution around the bay and beaches in BS As and Uruguay. The Rio de la Plata carries clean, yellow water loaded with sediments to the sea.
It's stupid to let Tijuana's sewage flow into Imperial Beach. Trump should tax Mexico to build a new water treatment plant in Tijuana and pump back all waste water back to them.
Oyster the food for pussy suckers, a must. Taste good raw or with lime juice. Tijuana and Ensenada oysters are the best in Mexico, IMHO. Good. Size and fresh.
Effluents from the Tijuana river flows South towards Playa, Popotla, Puerto Nuevo. I would avoid all those beaches too.
My neighbors went on a cruise to Ensenada and swam on a beach. The whole group was infected with Hepatitis A; those who stayed on the ship did not. They were scared shitless of Mexico.
Mexico beaches, Cancun, Acapulco, Puerta Vallarta ect are all inundated with raw sewage for decades. Rio de Janeiro's bay is gray and loaded with raw sewage, smelling like a toilet even from the top of Sugar Loaf. However, I found no pollution around the bay and beaches in BS As and Uruguay. The Rio de la Plata carries clean, yellow water loaded with sediments to the sea.
It's stupid to let Tijuana's sewage flow into Imperial Beach. Trump should tax Mexico to build a new water treatment plant in Tijuana and pump back all waste water back to them.
ClamSlammer
03-17-20, 13:59
Yes la policia es tu amigo in tijuana...The policia is the best thing to ever happen to gringo. These guys don't want to arest you for nothing...they are your friend.Completely wrong. Tijuana police don't give a fuck about protecting the public. Their only concern is to rob innocent citizens and tourists. When I leave a casa de cambio with a pocket full of cash my first instinct is to look out for cops. I'm more afraid of cops than any ratero. And I spend excessive amounts of time in all sections of Tijuana, from the Zona to Playas to Murua to Carrousel to Siglo to 5 y10 to Macro to 2000 to Mariano to Sendero to Obrera to Pacifico to La Gloria to Sante Fe and beyond. And it's the same shit everywhere. The cops ignoring their duties in favor of harassing innocent civilians in hopes of a mordida or flat out robbery. The cops are your worst enemy in Tijuana.
Captain Solo
03-17-20, 20:06
A lot of cars are stolen in California and sold in the gray market to avoid Mexico's high import taxes of used vehicles. Domestic manufacturers like VW lobbied government for these high import taxes to kill off used cars import competition.
I have seen a guy swapping plates of a dozen cars in the parking lot behind JIB, suspected stolen and being prepped to be driven into Tijuana. I called 911 and reported. SDPD said they would send a patrol unit over, but nothing happened. Personally I had a car stolen on the street near the UETA store. It's safer to park in a lot with tags.
This is why Tijuana's policias frequently stop and check registrations of cars with California plates for illegally-imported cars. I saw a few cars with expired CA registrations, assumed stolen or gray-market, got towed on Coahuila.
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2020/mar/04/city-lights-behind-tjs-black-market-cars/#.
Behind T. J's black market for cars.
By Mike Madriaga, March 4, 2020.
When Lando Martinez returned to his south San Diego home on January 20, his 1995 Honda Del Sol was missing. "I parked the car in front of our new house on the 16th," he said, "and we flew out to Texas to visit family. When we came back the following Monday, I thought my wife moved it into our garage, but she didn't. It was long gone. "
"When was it stolen?" I asked him on February 4.
"The night of the 16th or morning of the 17th," he responded.
Lando Martinez shows the anguish he feels over his car being stolen.
Lando Martinez shows the anguish he feels over his car being stolen.
While the 49-year-old Navy veteran and his wife were gone those five days, according to the Crimemapping.com database, about a dozen other cars were stolen within a three-mile radius of their south San Diego home near the intersection of the 905 and 5 freeways.
"I feel sorry for my husband," Martinez's wife responded underneath a photo she posted of the white, two-seater plastered with bumper stickers; the car has a dent by the driver's side door; and sports black vanity plates that read 'HOCUS 1. ' "It was part of his identity to his band. The odds may be against us, but hanging on to hope that it will be located. "
Martinez is the lead guitarist and a singer for Hocus — an Imperial Beach rock band that sort of sounds like The Ramones, Nirvana, and Black Sabbath.
"Luckily, my instruments weren't in the car," he continued, "I asked around our neighborhood and everybody was stumped, saying, 'We've never had this type of stuff happen in our neighborhood. '.
Martinez filed a police report the same day they discovered the car was stolen. On January 22, his buddies suggested that the "HOCUS mobile" might be south of the border; their house is about four miles north of the San Ysidro Port of Entry.
"I just got back from San Ysidro / Port of Entry / he said on a Facebook update, "they only read plates coming back into America. Not going into Mexico. Getting a car stolen sucks. ".
Then on the 27th, Martinez got a call from the "Esurance insurance company. They said: 'Hey, we found your car in Ensenada, Mexico, Martinez recounted, "and I was like, 'Wow, how did you guys do that?' She said, 'We have agents worldwide. '
A lot of cars are stolen in California and sold in the gray market to avoid Mexico's high import taxes of used vehicles. Domestic manufacturers like VW lobbied government for these high import taxes to kill off used cars import competition.
I have seen a guy swapping plates of a dozen cars in the parking lot behind JIB, suspected stolen and being prepped to be driven into Tijuana. I called 911 and reported. SDPD said they would send a patrol unit over, but nothing happened. Personally I had a car stolen on the street near the UETA store. It's safer to park in a lot with tags..I wonder if you can remove some parts of a car to make it more theft proof like the battery or steering wheel or something else. I know that a lot of cars failing the stricter USA smog checks end up in Mexico. I was told that after Hurricane Katrina, a lot of cars were fixed. Those that could not pass US smog standards, went to Tijuana.
Captain Solo
03-18-20, 23:35
This is a good idea but how are you going to carry your steering wheel or battery with you while you romance your HK sweethearts?
Cars with an engine-disabling security system cannot start with just the key. You can buy one for about $70 installed at a car stereo shop on Calle2 at OCampo. Or you can open the hood and pull out the starter relay, about the size of half a cigarette pack. Keep it in your pocket. It won't interfere while you screw the chicas hehe.
Cars parked free along the RR track are broken into daily, not worth the risks.
This is a good idea but how are you going to carry your steering wheel or battery with you while you romance your HK sweethearts?
Cars with an engine-disabling security system cannot start with just the key. You can buy one for about $70 installed at a car stereo shop on Calle2 at OCampo. Or you can open the hood and pull out the starter relay, about the size of half a cigarette pack. Keep it in your pocket. It won't interfere while you screw the chicas hehe.
Cars parked free along the RR track are broken into daily, not worth the risks.Honestly I don't even trust my car in the paid parking lots. Those assholes don't give a fuck since there is a giant disclaimer in front relieving themselves to all responsibilities over my car.
I wonder if you can remove some parts of a car to make it more theft proof like the battery or steering wheel or something else. I know that a lot of cars failing the stricter USA smog checks end up in Mexico. I was told that after Hurricane Katrina, a lot of cars were fixed. Those that could not pass US smog standards, went to Tijuana.To thwart those car thieves who come with tow trucks, you might need to remove at least three of the wheels.
Captain Solo
03-19-20, 19:07
Europe, with her civilized and robust healthcare infrastructure, now has about 82,000 confirmed infected with 3,400 dead, about 5% mortality, with only a very small percentage of the population actually tested.
Think of hundred thousands working people in Tijuana crammed into crowded markets, small vans and crowded buses everyday, the infection and dead rates in Tijuana would be a lot more severe. Even if the city orders shut downs and self isolation now, it may already be too late with known infections, latent infections and ease of transmission in a crowded city.
Just hope this disaster will not be too dire for our friends in Tijuana.
Locked-Down Europe Faces Closed Borders, Economic Wounds and Dire Warnings.
The continent hit a bleak milestone in the coronavirus epidemic, surpassing China in cases and deaths. A leader who knows something about confinement pleaded for citizens to accept it, for now.
Image: The Austrian-German border this week. Credit. Laetitia Vancon for The New York Times.
By Benjamin Novak, Melissa Eddy, Katrin Bennhold and Richard Pérez-Peña.
Published March 18,2020 Updated March 19,2020, 5:47 am ET.
Drivers faced daylong waits to cross European borders that nations raced to close on Wednesday, years after proudly throwing them open. Britain closed schools to millions of children amid talk of shutting down London. And Germany's stoic leader made an unusually personal appeal for unity and purpose in the face of crisis.
Across an increasingly locked-down Europe, people and their governments struggled to adjust to the grim, immobilized life wrought by the new coronavirus epidemic, their every adjustment seemingly a step behind the worsening reality.
The continent passed a bleak milestone that few envisioned last month, when the virus was ravaging China but had barely touched the West: As of Wednesday, by official government counts, it had infected and killed more people in Europe — more than 82,000 cases and more than 3,400 dead — than in China.
And as China slows the rate of new infections to almost zero, in Europe, now at the heart of the global outbreak, the virus is spreading faster than ever. Less than two months after the European Union sent relief supplies to China, the bloc announced that it was receiving badly needed masks and virus testing kits from China.
A day after she and other European Union leaders agreed to close the bloc off to almost all travelers, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany made a televised address on Wednesday, posing a stark choice to her nation: Abide by newly imposed restrictions on individual movement and contact with others to avoid spreading the virus, or watch the epidemic overwhelm the health care system.
"This is serious," Ms. Merkel said. "Take it seriously. Since German reunification — no, since World War II — our country has never faced a challenge where we depended so much on our collective actions and solidarity."
ImageWatching from a living room in Oberhausen, Germany, on Wednesday as Chancellor Angela Merkel delivered her first direct televised address to the nation in over 14 years in power.
Watching from a living room in Oberhausen, Germany, on Wednesday as Chancellor Angela Merkel delivered her first direct televised address to the nation in over 14 years in power. Credit. Fabian Strauch / DPA, via Associated Press.
The chancellor drew a striking parallel to her personal history. She lived more than half her life in the former East Germany, behind a wall, her movements constrained by the state.
"Let me assure you: For someone like me, for whom the freedom to travel and move was a hard-fought right, such restrictions can only be justified if they are an absolute necessity," she said. "They should never be passed lightly and only ever temporarily — but they are indispensable at the moment to save lives. ".
Reports of new cases and deaths in Europe accelerated on Wednesday. Among the countries with the biggest outbreaks, nearly all reported more new cases than they had in any single day before.
Italy, the hardest-hit country, confirmed more than 35,000 infections and almost 3,000 deaths. Spain had almost 14,000 people infected and more than 600 dead. France reported more than 9,000 cases, 264 of them fatal.
On a continent where people and commerce have crossed borders with little or no friction for a generation, the resurrection of border controls left drivers angry, goods stranded and traffic backed up for miles. Some supermarkets warned that they might not be able to keep shelves stocked.
Not only did the European Union authorize new controls on the bloc's outer frontiers, but the free trade and free travel zone within Europe has broken down, with a dozen participating countries restoring old barriers.
The pledge that the movement of goods would not be interrupted appeared to be failing badly on Wednesday, especially in Hungary, the landlocked nation that has suddenly become a bottleneck in Europe. Prime Minister Viktor Orban carried out his promise on Monday to close the borders to all foreign citizens — leaving travelers stranded and fuming.
After many international airlines cut flights and the United States banned travel from most of Europe, plans were thrown into disarray and airports became scenes of panic and confusion.
A similar scene has been playing out for days on European roads.
Bulgarians, Romanians, Serbians and Ukrainians on either side of the main Austrian-Hungarian crossing have left their cars and sat in the road, preventing vehicles from passing in either direction in an effort to pressure the authorities to open the border.
Janos Fenyvesi, 68, a truck driver from Hungary, had been sitting in traffic on the Austrian side of the border since Tuesday afternoon. "We haven't moved a single meter since 8 am," he said Wednesday.
Image: An empty street in Vienna this weekend. "E. You. Citizens have to be allowed to return to their countries," the Austrian interior minister said Wednesday. Credit. Susanne Hassler-Smith / EPA, via Shutterstock.
Mr. Fenyvesi was pulling freight from Switzerland to Nyiregyhaza, in eastern Hungary, when his trip was brought to an abrupt stop about 16 miles from the Austrian-Hungarian border. Now, he said, a trip that would normally have taken him two to three days may take twice as long.
"I don't understand why the Austrian police haven't removed these people from the freeway," he said.
In Austria, the police said that traffic had backed up more than 20 miles toward Vienna, hindering movement within the country. Slovakia, Hungary's neighbor to the north, also reported traffic backups stretching for miles, a critical concern for a country that imports more than half of its food.
Slovaks working in Hungary were left with no sense of when they would be able to cross back home because of backups at the Hungary-Slovakia border.
And truckers trying to transport goods between Poland, which has imposed new border controls, and Germany were warned that they faced waits of four to 30 hours.
Britain has lagged behind its European counterparts both in restricting movement and in making the limits mandatory. But on Wednesday the government followed their lead and ordered schools to close, except for the children of essential workers, presenting a new challenge to millions of parents already struggling to hold onto their jobs.
There was also growing speculation about a strict lockdown in London, where the infection rate is relatively high, though government officials said they did not expect a decision until Friday at the earliest.
"We will take the right steps at the right time, guided by the science," Prime Minister Boris Johnson said at a news conference. "We will not hesitate to go further and faster. ".
He observed at least one other new precaution: His weekly audience with Queen Elizabeth II, normally conducted in person, was held over the phone.
As governments try to institute "social distancing" to avoid spreading the contagion, the combination of scary news coverage, stern advice, restrictions on personal movement and mandatory closings of businesses and gathering spots has already caused much economic activity to screech to a halt.
On Wednesday, Belgium joined Italy, France, Spain, Germany and others in ordering people to stay at home as much as possible. Belgians may go outside to walk, bike or exercise, but they must do it alone or with people who live in the same home, and stay away from others.
In France, the government proposed legislation allowing it to declare emergencies and govern by decree to some extent, including further restricting people's movements and requisitioning goods and services from the private sector. Extending the emergency beyond 12 days would require the assent of Parliament.
The police in Paris said that in a raid on a store, they had seized more than 15,000 masks needed by health workers that were headed for the black market, and more than 200 bottles of fake anti-bacterial gel.
Grocers in France have been allowed to remain open, but Olivier Véran, the health minister, said the authorities would shut down open-air markets where people were not complying with distancing guidelines.
"Wherever it is impossible to enforce the distance of one meter between two people, we must intervene," he said.
Europe's disparate reactions echoed those of the migrant crisis of 2015 and 2016, when Ms. Merkel stood out for her welcoming attitude toward people fleeing war and deprivation.
Some populist leaders, notably Mr. Orban, portrayed Middle Eastern and African asylum seekers as a threat to European, Christian civilization, and tried to shut them out. Now they are linking the coronavirus to migration, and citing it as a reason to erect barriers.
Image: Traffic at the border between Hungary and Austria stretched for miles Wednesday. Credit. Leonhard Foeger / Reuters.
Ms. Merkel seemed determined on Wednesday to appeal to empathy, civic spirit and reason, promising to communicate often and in detail about any further measures. She urged Germans not to believe "rumors, just official announcements. ".
"We are a democracy," Ms. Merkel said. "We don't live by coercion but by shared knowledge and cooperation. This is a historic task, and we can only manage it together. "
The chancellor also warned against being overly sanguine.
"These aren't abstract numbers in a statistic," Ms. Merkel said. "They are a father or a grandfather, a mother or a grandmother, a partner. It's people. And we are a community in which every life and every person counts. "
Benjamin Novak reported from Budapest, Melissa Eddy and Katrin Bennhold from Berlin, and Richard Pérez-Peña from New York. Reporting was contributed by Aurelien Breeden from Paris; Stephen Castle from London; Joanna Berendt from Warsaw; Miroslava Germanova from Bratislava, Slovakia; Steven Erlanger and Matina Stevis-Gridneff from Brussels; and Raphael Minder from Madrid.
Melissa Eddy is a correspondent based in Berlin who covers German politics, social issues and culture. She came to Germany as a Fulbright scholar in 1996, and previously worked for The Associated Press in Frankfurt, Vienna and the Balkans. At meddynyt • Facebook.
Katrin Bennhold is The New York Times's Berlin bureau chief. Previously she reported from London and Paris, covering a range of topics from the rise of populism to gender. At kbennhold • Facebook.
Richard Pérez-Peña, the International News Editor in London, has been with The Times since 1992. His beats have included higher education, the newspaper and magazine industry, health care, government and politics, transportation and courts. At perezpena • Facebook.
A version of this article appears in print on March 19,2020, Section A, Page 7 of the New York edition with the headline: Closed Borders Within Europe Unleash Congestion and Chaos on Roads.
Has anyone noticed a increase in crime in the Zona since the Coronavirus started. ? Just wondering because since there is less people around the bandito's might be more active. ? The other factor is that since the bars are close the there probably less private security around as well.
A couple self employed tijauna fri2 nds said they don't get unemployment like we do. They likelybwont be seeing a stimulus check either. At some point, I'm not a economics person, but I'm asuming governments all around the world can't pay their citizens to sit home, so all those people are going to have to become uber eats drivers and those jobs never return. For years till corona is gone or countries will just say "the hell with it everyone go back to school and work we will have to lose a few million people per country". Mexico probably caves 1st, usa 2nd, europe 3rd, . Out of those 3 areas. I don't follow the rest of the world so much. So likely, we will be chugging tecates like there's no tomorrow
in hong kong, before bars are open in the states.... But yes one would have to assume crime is about to go through the roof in all countries as people dont have money and have too much free time, look what's happening in the states, the cops are out of work due to corona, prisoners released, they said dont call 911
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