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Kokuta7281
05-24-08, 22:27
As you know north part of BC such as TJ, Rosalito and Ensenada have been
not a safe place as before these days. IN this 3weeks, gun shooting in TJ,
asian guy killed in ENsenada, 4 gringos found dead in Rosalito, 2.5tons of drugs found etc.etc.there should be more.

Be careful when you come over here.

SDcruiser
05-25-08, 14:58
As you know north part of BC such as TJ, Rosalito and Ensenada have been
not a safe place as before these days. IN this 3weeks, gun shooting in TJ,
asian guy killed in ENsenada, 4 gringos found dead in Rosalito, 2.5tons of drugs found etc.etc.there should be more.

Be careful when you come over here.

3 mexican dopers and a latina junkie puta from La Mesa. No gringos in the mix.

Country John
05-26-08, 00:54
3 mexican dopers and a latina junkie puta from La Mesa. No gringos in the mix.

SDcruser is right. Druggies have not been having much luck at all South of the border. There is no honor among thieves, hell, there is little in society. Don't expect much int he Zona either.

The Zona is a tourist area for sport fuckerman and they bring everything except their wives and kids. I took a ride through a few times this weekend on other business and I was shocked at how slow it was compared to days gone by.

Mongers leave a lot of money in the Zona. Sure, a lot of mexicanos frequent the area but they don't drop anywhere close to the money gringos do. Don;t get too comfortable though, local middle class Tijuana see it as an eyesore and a crime festered area to say nothing of the moral aspects of what goes on there behind closed doors.

Mongers have to let go of the idea that they are targets. They are not targets. Tourists are not targets. They might be innocent victims from time to time and yes, one or two might get knocked over here and there; but it's just as dangerous for you state-side. You can go almost anywhere in California and the streets are all but deserted late at night.

The narcos are not looking for you. They are looking for each other. About as unlucky as you could be would be to look an awful lot like Guito the Dog who didn't do his part and has a contract. That would be very unlucky, but it could happen on your street.

The zona has always been a seedy place. There were a lot more rateros there a few years ago than there are now. The place is crawling with cops and the rateros are having a rough time of it. This is nothing new. Deal with it the same way you did before. Take the normal precautions. Don't be stupid.

Look, I'm not here to paint a rosy picture of the scene in TJ. There has been a lot of nasty stuff happen. No question about it. Remember chicken little and all that bullshit. I live here and in some ways feel safer. Use common sense just like always. Stay away from the dope, the dealers etc. Go the club, get laid and have fun. Nobody wants to kill you for having a good time and given the economics of the town right now, the Zona might be the safest place to be because that is where most of the money is being spent and the club owners mob will not let anyone fuck with that.

Just be safe. And be nice.

Country John

FunFunFun69
05-30-08, 05:24
Update...

Cars from the USA are NOT exempt. You must remove the film from your glass. The fine is $50 if you do not remove it on the spot when you are stopped. If you take the ticket, you could get another one 5 minutes later and so-on.

Country JohnThis law is retarded, and I was pulled over in TJ for it a year ago, and also lectured about it at a check point 5 years ago. They let me go with a warning both times.

It basically means you cannot drive your car to Mexico legally if there is tint on your windows. Personally I'm not going to remove the tint just so I can pay $200 to re-tint them when I get back to the US.

Country John
06-01-08, 18:57
This law is retarded, and I was pulled over in TJ for it a year ago, and also lectured about it at a check point 5 years ago. They let me go with a warning both times.

It basically means you cannot drive your car to Mexico legally if there is tint on your windows. Personally I'm not going to remove the tint just so I can pay $200 to re-tint them when I get back to the US.

You're right, it sucks especially when it's hot outside, and ESPECIALLY when I drive to Mexicali or worse yet, Plantation Guadalupe Victoria.

I am looking at temprary shades right now, the ones with the suction cups. Anything to keep the car cooler.

I will say that the order didn't come from TJPD, it was a joint decision among the State and Federal guys, including the military. I don't see it being heavily enforced right now as much as I did the first of the month -they actually had roadblocks set up.

Maybe they're waiting for a month or so before starting major enforecement. Many have been cited and/or towed already though and most were Mexican plates. I have not heard of American plates having problems with the new enforcement yet.

Country John

Underdog9
06-04-08, 07:17
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Adult Fun
06-05-08, 17:05
I have been going to TJ for 21 years and have never had a problem.

The other day a friend of mine had an appointment with Tania from that company, she picked him up and went to place close to the border; within 5 minutes the police showed up and robbed him. So beware of this company, I only see the SG's and Adalita chicas and would never go to some place out of the zone.

Country John
06-05-08, 23:00
I have been going to TJ for 21 years and have never had a problem.

The other day a friend of mine had an appointment with Tania from that company, she picked him up and went to place close to the border; within 5 minutes the police showed up and robbed him. So beware of this company, I only see the SG's and Adalita chicas and would never go to some place out of the zone.

If he went with the same Tania I am thinking of, then she would have taken him to her place close to PA hotel. She has a nice apartment, nicely appointed and I love her candy bowl full of condoms on the night stand, a nice touch.

Are you saying that the cops showed up to Tania's apartment? They actually went into her place and robbed him? Or did they do a traffic stop before they got to the apartment? Please be specific, or PM me with as much specific information as possible.

Country John

Adult Fun
06-06-08, 00:28
For Country John,

At the girl Tania's place, not in the street was were they came in and took his monies and cards.

Efjayel
06-06-08, 09:53
Cards? What cards?

Country John
06-06-08, 21:14
For Country John,

At the girl Tania's place, not in the street was were they came in and took his monies and cards.

I'll talk to Tania, see what's up. Sounds very strange to me.

Country John

Country John
06-07-08, 16:35
I have been going to TJ for 21 years and have never had a problem.

The other day a friend of mine had an appointment with Tania from that company, she picked him up and went to place close to the border; within 5 minutes the police showed up and robbed him. So beware of this company, I only see the SG's and Adalita chicas and would never go to some place out of the zone.

Sorry, but I need to call BULLSHIT on this post.

I've known Tania for a long time. She says it didn't happen - I believe her. If it did happen, she'd tell me and there would be a shit fight at city hall, she'd never tolerate this from the cops.

Adult Fun has had 21 years of problem free fun in TJ but his friend gets robbed at Tania's place, credit cards and all, something the cops don't generally do. Adult Fun has 9 posts on this board.

It could be an attempt to divert clients from the service, or to damage Tania'a reputation.

I would not hesitate to use her service. If there were problems, I'd be straight about it (and so would she).

Be safe and be nice,
Country John

One Wing Low
08-16-08, 16:58
my mexican friends who live in san diego gave me stern warnings about being kidnapped in tijuana. these people are scared shitless.

this is the main reason for the sharp drop off in tourists' visits to tijuana:


san diego union tribune feb 6, 2008

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20080206-9999-1m6kidnap.html

kidnappings of u.s. citizens on rise

sophisticated mexican groups plot abductions

by tony manolatos
union-tribune staff writer
february 6, 2008
organized, well-financed and violent mexican kidnapping cells are targeting a growing number of u.s. citizens visiting communities popular with san diegans and other california residents.

last year, at least 26 san diego county residents were kidnapped and held for ransom in tijuana, rosarito beach or ensenada, local fbi agents overseeing the cases said yesterday. in 2006, at least 11 county residents had been kidnapped in the three communities.

“some of the 26 were recovered, some were hurt and some were killed,” said agent alex horan, who directs the fbi's violent-crime squad in san diego.

“it's not a pleasant experience. victims have reported beatings, torture and there have been [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124). . . . handcuffs and hoods over the head are common,” he said.
when contrasted to the 40 million border crossings made every year at the san ysidro port of entry, the kidnapping numbers are small. most of the victims have business interests or family members in mexico.

but authorities said anyone planning to visit mexico should be cautious.
kidnapped

the number of san diego county residents kidnapped in tijuana, rosarito beach and ensenada rose sharply last year:
2008: 2
2007: 26
2006: 11
2005: 10
source: fbi san diego office

“i would certainly be concerned,” horan said.

the u.s. consulate in tijuana issued a travel advisory last week that said u.s. citizens living and traveling in mexico should be extra vigilant.

gunfights and other violence linked to drug cartels have increased in baja california, and more mexican citizens have been kidnapped lately.

while some of the groups suspected of kidnapping americans are connected to drug trafficking, most aren't, horan said.

he described the kidnapping groups as sophisticated operations similar to terrorist cells, each with a boss and clear divisions of labor. usually, one group is involved in scouting, another carries out the kidnapping, a third holds the victim and a fourth handles the ransom.

“they know who they're going after. i think they have a list,” horan said. “these are kidnapping cells. . . . that's what they do. they do kidnappings all year long.”

while the fbi wouldn't say what the ransom demands are, or how often they're paid, agents said money is driving the increase.

“this is not about terrorizing people or retaliating. this is about making money, and obviously this is good business for them,” horan said.

the scenario that fits about 90 percent of the fbi's kidnapping cases starts with a middle-class family with no criminal ties, who live in communities such as chula vista, san diego and national city.

the family typically owns a business in mexico and has relatives there. at least one family member, usually a man in his 40s, makes several personal and professional trips across the border.

while driving in mexico, this person is pulled over by as many as 10 people posing as police.

they're carrying weapons, wearing vests and using police jargon. within a minute or two, someone is shoving a hood over the victim's head and dragging him into a vehicle. his car is left on the side of the road.

“we've had victims held for days to months,” horan said.

not every victim is hispanic, but there have been “very few cases where a tourist is targeted at random,” said eric drickersen, who supervises the fbi's border liaison office in san diego.

some of the kidnappings go unreported because people fear retribution, drickersen said.

ransom demands are almost always made over the phone. the cross-border communication gives the fbi its jurisdiction. but the agents need authorization from mexican authorities before they can carry out an operation across the border.

mexican authorities have been helpful, their u.s. counterparts said.

“they're cooperating, but we would like them to do even more,” drickersen said.
a week ago, mexican authorities rescued two female real estate agents who were being held in a tijuana neighborhood. the women were kidnapped jan. 19 by three men after showing a property in southern tijuana, the baja california attorney general's office said in a statement.

the men called in a ransom demand of $350,000, the statement said. family members negotiated a payment of $27,000 and dropped off the cash, but the women weren't released.

baja california state agents tracked down the vehicle used to pick up the cash. the driver led authorities to the women, and three men were arrested.

both women are mexican citizens, although one is married to a u.s. resident. she and her husband live in chula vista.

Fla Fun
08-17-08, 15:33
Just FYI, if you become the victum of a crime.

Tijuana Police try to restore public trust
By DAN KEANE, Associated Press WriterTue Aug 12, 8:32 PM ET

People have so little confidence in the police here that the army invited citizens to report crimes to soldiers instead. Officers are so mistrusted that federal authorities even took their guns away for a time last year.

Now Tijuana is campaigning to regain that trust with an accountability campaign to break the officers' old, corrupt habits.

Public Safety Secretary Alberto Capella proudly points to a Tijuana policeman accused of murder who was promptly arrested by his fellow officers.

"If this scenario had happened nine months ago, he wouldn't have been captured. Or he would have asked for help, and they would have let him go," Capella told The Associated Press. "That's a clear indication of the change of attitude taking place among Tijuana police."

Capella was interviewed inside a shiny-new mobile command unit parked under the towering high-tension wires that cross one of east Tijuana's grittiest neighborhoods. The RV-style mobile office — equipped with remote-controlled cameras, a small conference room and vigorous air conditioning — has been deployed around the city this summer to promote a community policing initiative, run jointly with state and federal officers.

The three agencies aim to cut through the bureaucratic confusion that plagues Mexico's multi-layered law enforcement system. They also want to increase the visibility of police around the rough edges of a city growing by about 90,000 people a year.

Phordphan
08-30-08, 04:18
Had a somewhat odd experience last night. A favorita and I had gone to dinner at Las Vueltas (sp?), then dancing at Las Pulgas. We walked all the way from my hotel (Espana) to the restaurant, then walked to LP, no problem.

Anyway, after two cubetas, one tequila each, and over 4 hours dancing, we we'd had enough. We stopped for a quick hot dog outside the door, then began to walk the whopping 3 blocks to the hotel. This was about 3:00am

A block away from the hotel, someone behind us started shining a flashlight and saying "Amigo!" I finally stopped and turned around to find two of TJ's finest, an overweight man and an equally overweight very butch woman.

Of course, they wanted to know where we'd been and if we'd been drinking. Then they wanted ID, so I gave them my passport (after pulling all the money out of it), and she gave them her ID card. Then they wanted to know how long I'd known her. I told them I didn't know, about 2 or 3 months. They grilled her in Spanish and she told them I was her novio and that we'd known each other for about a month. That didn't sit well.

So, it was up against the wall. I made a point of holding all my money in my hand. The guy conducted a very throuogh search, and, of course, found nothing. So, probing for a weak spot, they started grilling my girl. Now, I was only slightly impaired, maybe a bit thick of tongue and slow of thought, but I wasn't weaving or anything. But the poor chica was three sheets to the wind. They wanted to know where she worked. I don't know what she told them the first time, but they didn't like it and told me that she was lying to them. They went at it again, and she finally 'fessed up to working at Chicago. Well, there was their opening. They demanded to see her medical card. (Now I know she has one, cuz I've seen it). She didn't have it. I thought it was in her purse, in the room, and tried to get them to let me go get it. No dice. Then she explained that it was back at her house.

So, since they had nothing on me, they kindly explained that, since I was a tourist, I was free to go, but they had to arrest her and take her before the judge. She worked at a BAR (the horror!) and that she wasn't in possession of her medical card. (Trying to explain that she wasn't working and that we were friends out on the town didn't fly) Then she could pay the fine and be let go. The fine was probably around $100. Now, I was a bit loaded, but not so badly that I couldn't smell bullshit. I told them I didn't have $100, and was ready to tell them that yes, we should go see the judge. I was keeping really cool, but I was getting tired of the harrassement.

But then I looked at my chica, and she was starting to appear really nervous, and she told me I should offer them money. Well, I figured if the local girl was getting nervous, maybe discretion would be the better part of valor. So, I asked her how much, $20? $40? She said to offer them $40. So, using my best Thailand technique, I asked if I could just pay them the fine instead of going to see the judge (and hating myself all the while!). They discussed it for a bit, then the dyke told me that they didn't want to ruin my evening (how very thoughtful) and to put the $40 in my left pocket and that Sr. Gordo would frisk me again. So, I did, he did, and the money disappeared.

They skulked off into the night, we went back to the room where Srta. Borracha took a shower and immediately passed out. Literally. And snored like a lumberjack! OMG.

When sober, over breakfast at Sanborn's, I asked her if it was a big deal to be caught walking down the street without her medical card. She said it wasn't, and that the cops were just rateros. I wish she'd said that the night before. I might still have my $40!

I guess the moral is that, at night, take a cab everywhere. I always take a cab from/to the zona at night, but I've always walked up and down Revu at night. Well, not any more.

Ho Lover1
08-30-08, 06:24
TJ is taking disciplinary action against their corrupt police. I have heard that the police station across from the alley has a fund to reimburse gringos for their losses to TJ's finest. You need to make a report at the station of the offense with the time, location and description of the officers involved. If you could get the names of the officers that would help. I got this info from a fellow gringo who had one too many that night. Any one else heard of this?

One Wing Low
08-30-08, 23:59
The taxi dropped us off too far, had to walk back to the foot bridge.

Successfully ducked the 2 brown pigs sitting n the dark at the guard house. When arriving at the foot bridge, ran into 2 more brown pigs walking back from the border. I said 'Olah.' THey already walked past us when yelling out for us to stop. There was noone around.

The young pig wanted to see ID's, asking where we live, asking if we drank, trying to smell our breath. He was trying to shake us down but I would not give him anything. The older guy kept telling him to let us go. So he let us go.

These asshole pigs are the shame of the Mexican people. The best thing to do is to look and walk straight ahead, never give them any chance of interacting with you.

Phordphan
08-31-08, 02:31
The taxi dropped us off too far, had to walk back to the foot bridge.

Successfully ducked the 2 brown pigs sitting n the dark at the guard house. When arriving at the foot bridge, ran into 2 more brown pigs walking back from the border. I said 'Olah.' THey already walked past us when yelling out for us to stop. There was noone around.

The young pig wanted to see ID's, asking where we live, asking if we drank, trying to smell our breath. He was trying to shake us down but I would not give him anything. The older guy kept telling him to let us go. So he let us go.

These asshole pigs are the shame of the Mexican people. The best thing to do is to look and walk straight ahead, never give them any chance of interacting with you.

Hey, OWL

Which side of the foot bridge was this, the one near the Sentri dropoff, or the one on the other side of the street? And about what time?

There seems to have been a dropoff of swine at the Sentri dropoff, up until lately. I saw a pair there a couple of weeks ago for the first time in a couple of months. Mabe this crap is on the rise again.

One Wing Low
08-31-08, 06:16
Along the farmacias, around 2AM.

You should never give the brown pigs a chance for contact.


Hey, OWL

Which side of the foot bridge was this, the one near the Sentri dropoff, or the one on the other side of the street? And about what time?
.

Country John
09-01-08, 04:17
Had a somewhat odd experience last night. A favorita and I had gone to dinner at Las Vueltas (sp?), then dancing at Las Pulgas. We walked all the way from my hotel (Espana) to the restaurant, then walked to LP, no problem.

Anyway, after two cubetas, one tequila each, and over 4 hours dancing, we we'd had enough. We stopped for a quick hot dog outside the door, then began to walk the whopping 3 blocks to the hotel. This was about 3:00am

A block away from the hotel, someone behind us started shining a flashlight and saying "Amigo!" I finally stopped and turned around to find two of TJ's finest, an overweight man and an equally overweight very butch woman.

Of course, they wanted to know where we'd been and if we'd been drinking. Then they wanted ID, so I gave them my passport (after pulling all the money out of it), and she gave them her ID card. Then they wanted to know how long I'd known her. I told them I didn't know, about 2 or 3 months. They grilled her in Spanish and she told them I was her novio and that we'd known each other for about a month. That didn't sit well.

So, it was up against the wall. I made a point of holding all my money in my hand. The guy conducted a very throuogh search, and, of course, found nothing. So, probing for a weak spot, they started grilling my girl. Now, I was only slightly impaired, maybe a bit thick of tongue and slow of thought, but I wasn't weaving or anything. But the poor chica was three sheets to the wind. They wanted to know where she worked. I don't know what she told them the first time, but they didn't like it and told me that she was lying to them. They went at it again, and she finally 'fessed up to working at Chicago. Well, there was their opening. They demanded to see her medical card. (Now I know she has one, cuz I've seen it). She didn't have it. I thought it was in her purse, in the room, and tried to get them to let me go get it. No dice. Then she explained that it was back at her house.

So, since they had nothing on me, they kindly explained that, since I was a tourist, I was free to go, but they had to arrest her and take her before the judge. She worked at a BAR (the horror!) and that she wasn't in possession of her medical card. (Trying to explain that she wasn't working and that we were friends out on the town didn't fly) Then she could pay the fine and be let go. The fine was probably around $100. Now, I was a bit loaded, but not so badly that I couldn't smell bullshit. I told them I didn't have $100, and was ready to tell them that yes, we should go see the judge. I was keeping really cool, but I was getting tired of the harrassement.

But then I looked at my chica, and she was starting to appear really nervous, and she told me I should offer them money. Well, I figured if the local girl was getting nervous, maybe discretion would be the better part of valor. So, I asked her how much, $20? $40? She said to offer them $40. So, using my best Thailand technique, I asked if I could just pay them the fine instead of going to see the judge (and hating myself all the while!). They discussed it for a bit, then the dyke told me that they didn't want to ruin my evening (how very thoughtful) and to put the $40 in my left pocket and that Sr. Gordo would frisk me again. So, I did, he did, and the money disappeared.

They skulked off into the night, we went back to the room where Srta. Borracha took a shower and immediately passed out. Literally. And snored like a lumberjack! OMG.

When sober, over breakfast at Sanborn's, I asked her if it was a big deal to be caught walking down the street without her medical card. She said it wasn't, and that the cops were just rateros. I wish she'd said that the night before. I might still have my $40!

I guess the moral is that, at night, take a cab everywhere. I always take a cab from/to the zona at night, but I've always walked up and down Revu at night. Well, not any more.

Thanks for posting this incident.

I realize that when you are standing there in front of the cops a 3AM it's tough to remember what to do, and giving them money is fine IF you get their names, unit number (off the car) etc. ad then report the mutherfuckers.

NOTHING will happen until these reports get filed.

There is a lot of postings about corruption and the cops are doing much to re-enforce those charges, but ther are a lot of people out there working very hard to change things. It might not be popular to talk about it but it is the truth.

NOTHING can happen until mongers smarten up and start dealing with this stuff correctly. Corruption in Mexico might never cease, true. But if you had reported the incident and cops got nailed they would have been fired almost on the spot.

1) It is not illegal to walk down the street at 3AM with a girl who works at Chicago Club. Just don't have sex in your car or behave badly on the street.

2) She is only required to carry the card when she is working. She is not working when she is walking down the street with you at 3AM. There would have been no fine if you'd persisted in wanting to see the judge.

3) The cops realize that if they get caught fucking with tourists they lose their job. Be polite but firm. They'll get the message and stand down, guaranteed. You're an experienced monger.

4) As soon as they leave, go to the nearest phone and call 076. You will talk to a person who works for the State who will deal with you in english. Give them the time and exact location of the incident. They will find out who was working the area, get you to ID them and then have them fired.

5) In order for the girl to get sweaty, something else must have been going on otherwise she wold have told them to go to hell. She perhaps wanted to avoid a strip search, so she might have been carrying. That's her problem, not yours unless you have no problem paying off the cops.


I bought this nifty thinline higliter at Office Depot. If I have 20's or larger in eitherUS or National currency, I take the highliter and write my name ont he bills. If I get ripped off, I can prove that the cop has the money. They lose their job, all is good.

The State Police is VERY INTERESTED in hearing from people like you. Believe it.


Next time stand your ground and make sure the girl is clean and not carrying anything because if she is, you could spend the night (or maybe more) in jail until the judge decides that she was not carrying for YOU.

Remember where you are and what you are doing and with whom. You are in MEXICO. The girl is a prostitute. It's a dangerous environment, especially at 3AM. That's still no reason to let the cops rip you off, but I realize it is easy to lose control when you don't have all of the odds in your favor.

Country John

Phordphan
09-01-08, 06:26
Thanks for posting this incident.

I realize that when you are standing there in front of the cops a 3AM it's tough to remember what to do, and giving them money is fine IF you get their names, unit number (off the car) etc. ad then report the mutherfuckers.

NOTHING will happen until these reports get filed.

There is a lot of postings about corruption and the cops are doing much to re-enforce those charges, but ther are a lot of people out there working very hard to change things. It might not be popular to talk about it but it is the truth.

NOTHING can happen until mongers smarten up and start dealing with this stuff correctly. Corruption in Mexico might never cease, true. But if you had reported the incident and cops got nailed they would have been fired almost on the spot.

1) It is not illegal to walk down the street at 3AM with a girl who works at Chicago Club. Just don't have sex in your car or behave badly on the street.

2) She is only required to carry the card when she is working. She is not working when she is walking down the street with you at 3AM. There would have been no fine if you'd persisted in wanting to see the judge.

3) The cops realize that if they get caught fucking with tourists they lose their job. Be polite but firm. They'll get the message and stand down, guaranteed. You're an experienced monger.

4) As soon as they leave, go to the nearest phone and call 076. You will talk to a person who works for the State who will deal with you in english. Give them the time and exact location of the incident. They will find out who was working the area, get you to ID them and then have them fired.

5) In order for the girl to get sweaty, something else must have been going on otherwise she wold have told them to go to hell. She perhaps wanted to avoid a strip search, so she might have been carrying. That's her problem, not yours unless you have no problem paying off the cops.


I bought this nifty thinline higliter at Office Depot. If I have 20's or larger in eitherUS or National currency, I take the highliter and write my name ont he bills. If I get ripped off, I can prove that the cop has the money. They lose their job, all is good.

The State Police is VERY INTERESTED in hearing from people like you. Believe it.


Next time stand your ground and make sure the girl is clean and not carrying anything because if she is, you could spend the night (or maybe more) in jail until the judge decides that she was not carrying for YOU.

Remember where you are and what you are doing and with whom. You are in MEXICO. The girl is a prostitute. It's a dangerous environment, especially at 3AM. That's still no reason to let the cops rip you off, but I realize it is easy to lose control when you don't have all of the odds in your favor.

Country John

CJ,

Thanx a lot!!

I couldn't remember the number (076) or I would have called.

The poor chica was a lot drunker than I thought at first. She completely passed out about 30 minutes later. She may have been cooperating, I'm not sure. I know they were doing their best to intimidate her, calling her a liar, demanding to know where she worked, etc. Being looped probably didn't help.

I don't think she was carrying (based upon a later strip search :) ) but I'm no expert. Her purse was in my room, and she didn't have any pockets. I do know she doesn't have a particularly aggressive personality.

They were on foot, so they didn't have a car, but I could ceratinly have ID'd them, especially the dyke.

I'll remember the number, and the marked bills are a nice touch.

Oh, BTW, I've read reports of tourists wanting to see the judge, then winding up in front of a judge that was as corrupt as the cops, and in on the scam. Any truth to these stories?

Again, thanx for your input.

Sun08
09-01-08, 17:23
CJ,

They were on foot, so they didn't have a car, but I could ceratinly have ID'd them, especially the dyke.

I'll remember the number, and the marked bills are a nice touch.

Oh, BTW, I've read reports of tourists wanting to see the judge, then winding up in front of a judge that was as corrupt as the cops, and in on the scam. Any truth to these stories?

Again, thanx for your input.Few months ago I read an article on San Diego Newspaper about reporting complaints when in Tijuana. Below is the web site of the "Consulado General De Mexico en San Diego". Scroll down, on the right there is a green area says"Complaints about your trip to Tijuana, click here". You can report it online. Whether they are serious or not I do not know but it won't hurt to report.

http://portal.sre.gob.mx/sandiego/

Country John
09-01-08, 20:07
CJ,

Thanx a lot!!

I couldn't remember the number (076) or I would have called.

The poor chica was a lot drunker than I thought at first. She completely passed out about 30 minutes later. She may have been cooperating, I'm not sure. I know they were doing their best to intimidate her, calling her a liar, demanding to know where she worked, etc. Being looped probably didn't help.

I don't think she was carrying (based upon a later strip search :) ) but I'm no expert. Her purse was in my room, and she didn't have any pockets. I do know she doesn't have a particularly aggressive personality.

They were on foot, so they didn't have a car, but I could ceratinly have ID'd them, especially the dyke.

I'll remember the number, and the marked bills are a nice touch.

Oh, BTW, I've read reports of tourists wanting to see the judge, then winding up in front of a judge that was as corrupt as the cops, and in on the scam. Any truth to these stories?

Again, thanx for your input.

I suspected you did a body cavity search shortly afterward.....hehe..

I had an interesting chat last night with some friends. They were saying that it doesn't matter how corrupt the system is, even a crazy man would realize that if the Federal and State governments don't get involved and do something there will be bigger problems than a drop off in tourism.

Because crime in the drug industry is rampant, the perception is that the average Joe is at risk. Not so. The worst he can expect is to get kidnapped but even then it's a longshot. Maybe getting caught in cross-fire is another major concern but again, this is a long shot.

The larger problem for Mexico right now is the drop off in foreign investment because of the perceived threats because of the drug industry violence.

Investment in Mexico is actually up this year by about 1%, but it should be more than that, much more. Companies are having trouble getting insurance, the cost of providing executives (and their families) with insurance, security, bullet proof vehicles etc is enormous. This along with corrupt police and politicians is bringing the system and the economy to it's knees. Tortillas are still 10 pesos a Kilo, but everything else is creeping upwards etc.

The point is that even the corrupt Government of Mexico realizes that something must be done and they are doing it. The Feds are here along with the military, they are working with State police to keep an eye on local police as well as chase the bad guys under a Federal Mandate.

If you are into giving credit where credit is due, they've done a hell of a job so far. Over 300 cops have been busted on the local and state level. Amazing result.

The State Tourist Bureau is NOT an "information" agency. They don't hand out maps and give directions. They are protection agency for tourists and they have a direct line to the State Attorney Generals office and Federal Police. When you dial 076 from any phone, the person who answers wants to help you. They want to know if you've been ripped off by the cops. They arrange to get these guys fired. It's their job.

It's not actually the "tourist Bureau." It is the Secretaria de Seguridad Publicas Municipal de Tijuana, Programa de Intelligencia Policial. Within the department you'll find Mr. Gabriel Arellano (no relation). His job is to collect information and intelligence on police corruption and crimes against tourists by the police. He will help you get these cops fired. You want to talk to his pit-bull, Arturo Martinez Esquer. His telephone number is 664-973-0424/30. Arturo loves his work. He's also a very nice guy.

Make no mistake about it. Mexico and Baja are losing MILLIONS of DOLLARS due to the corruption and crime. Some of it they can do something about. Firing bad cops who rip off tourists is different from hunting down and killing the drug lords. They are two separate activities, but getting rid of the robber-cops is an important step in vetting the department of bad apples. None of it works if the crimes are not reported. That's where you come in.

If you call Arturo, go and see him, give him a statement, he will arrange a line-up so you can ID the cops. They are removed from active duty immediately and charged.

Go to Office Depot. Get a thinline highliter and carry it. Mark your bills -it only takes a minute. You can see the ink under black light. If you get ripped and you end up in the station, have the chief scan the cash the cops are carrying with a black light. Case closed. You win, they lose.

It's a sad fact that a guy just looking to get laid by a latina princessa needs to keep his eyes open for such things, but it's the reality of the situation.

Be safe and be nice
Country John

Crash Helmet
09-01-08, 21:29
you are in mexico. it's a dangerous environment, especially at 3am. that's still no reason to let the cops rip you off.

country johnwatch the almighty devil turn right around and run for his life: in dealing with a bad cop out on the street, whatever happened to the tried and true sindicatura card trick? back in the day, flashing a sindicatura card on a cop used to have the same effect as showing satan a cross. does that once relied on stay out of jail/get out of a jam technique still work or has it lost all effectiveness? i am referring to a sindicatura card that the savvy traveler would carry in his back pocket for protection against bad cops. supposedly, the sindicatura card trick was a potent weapon a traveler could rely on. legend has it that it was a much faster means of adjusting a bad cops attitude, especially when compared to dialing 076. (much faster as in speed of light fast).

Member #4647
09-01-08, 22:03
The police are the worst of the worst. I don't think baja is losing millions, they are losing BILLIONS! Thousands of homes were built south of Tijuana, and Gringos kept buying and prices kept rising, now all those folks are half their investment. Part of the reason they are falling in price is the rampant corruption of the Mexican police.

I've never heard of this 076 but anything is helpful at this point.

Efjayel
09-02-08, 05:03
Cj, you didn't answer the question about asking to go in front of a judge, if the judge is just as corrupt and in on the scam with the cops.




Watch the almighty devil turn right around and run for his life: In dealing with a bad cop out on the street, whatever happened to the tried and true Sindicatura card trick? Back in the day, flashing a Sindicatura card on a cop used to have the same effect as showing Satan a cross. Does that once relied on stay out of jail/get out of a jam technique still work or has it lost all effectiveness? I am referring to a Sindicatura card that the savvy traveler would carry in his back pocket for protection against bad cops. Supposedly, the Sindicatura card trick was a potent weapon a traveler could rely on. Legend has it that it was a much faster means of adjusting a bad cops attitude, especially when compared with dialing 076.


Sindicatura card? Explain...

Country John
09-05-08, 20:20
The once feared Sindicatura card is a simple business card from the Sindicatura, a police oversight agency, with the name of an inspector. Once upon a time, if a tourist got mis-treated, he could go there and make a report and then it would get the follow up. Now, the State of Baja has taken on the task of going after corrupt cops on behalf of foreigners who have been victimized. The Sindicatura is still an avenue, but the State has more teeth and they have a stronger punch. The Sindicatura is now used more by locals when they have problems with the cops.

If you do something wrong, if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in public, violate a traffic law, or do anything that is illegal then there is no judge in the land who will take pity on you. Do the deed, pay the price.

If you did nothing wrong (and I mean NOTHING), and the cop is just shaking you down, then he's got nothing to take you in on unless he trumps something up. In that case, the judge will see through the bullshit. Sometimes this "judge" is not really a judge at all. He is the a commandant of the station, who might be in on the attempt to fleece you. This happened to me a few years ago. I was being "taken to see the judge" for having nude pictures of my girlfriend on my computer. The guy turned out to be the commandant and he said that I could pay the $300.00 fine at the station or they would turn me over to the Federales.

I said "let's go." Take me downtown. They had nothing. So learn how to be cool with the cops. Let them that you know, and that you know that they know. When they know that you know that they know then they'll have a tougher time with you and they'll move on to an easier mark.

How the local politicians and officials can look themselves in the mirror every morning, or even sleep at night is beyond me. This shameful and disgraceful behavior is an injustice to the good people of Mexico who deserve better.

The stoppage in real estate development in Rosarito has less to do with crime than it does with the bottom falling out of the real estate market in the USA. Millions of people lost their investments, their equity and their credit lines after real estate crashed and the bubble burst.

Country John

Phordphan
09-06-08, 17:58
The once feared Sindicatura card is a simple business card from the Sindicatura, a police oversight agency, with the name of an inspector. Once upon a time, if a tourist got mis-treated, he could go there and make a report and then it would get the follow up. Now, the State of Baja has taken on the task of going after corrupt cops on behalf of foreigners who have been victimized. The Sindicatura is still an avenue, but the State has more teeth and they have a stronger punch. The Sindicatura is now used more by locals when they have problems with the cops.

If you do something wrong, if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in public, violate a traffic law, or do anything that is illegal then there is no judge in the land who will take pity on you. Do the deed, pay the price.

If you did nothing wrong (and I mean NOTHING), and the cop is just shaking you down, then he's got nothing to take you in on unless he trumps something up. In that case, the judge will see through the bullshit. Sometimes this "judge" is not really a judge at all. He is the a commandant of the station, who might be in on the attempt to fleece you. This happened to me a few years ago. I was being "taken to see the judge" for having nude pictures of my girlfriend on my computer. The guy turned out to be the commandant and he said that I could pay the $300.00 fine at the station or they would turn me over to the Federales.

I said "let's go." Take me downtown. They had nothing. So learn how to be cool with the cops. Let them that you know, and that you know that they know. When they know that you know that they know then they'll have a tougher time with you and they'll move on to an easier mark.

How the local politicians and officials can look themselves in the mirror every morning, or even sleep at night is beyond me. This shameful and disgraceful behavior is an injustice to the good people of Mexico who deserve better.

The stoppage in real estate development in Rosarito has less to do with crime than it does with the bottom falling out of the real estate market in the USA. Millions of people lost their investments, their equity and their credit lines after real estate crashed and the bubble burst.

Country John

Thanx, CJ! You are truly a fountain of wisdom!

Country John
09-08-08, 18:29
Stories are coming in about the raid last week by the AFI in the Zona where the place was shut down, people searched, girls held and "robbed of their cash and cel phones," etc.

It is a fact, it did actually happen and there are other reports of the "police" robbing certain bars and maseros of their cash (amounting to tens of thousands of dollars).

One story is that they were looking for some bad guys who they thought were holed up at Cascades, so they went through the place room by room, tossing everything and taking whatever they wanted.

The newspapers are not reporting on it as of this writing. I'll come back when I have something reliable to report.

If you're not a bad guy, then don't worry about it.

Country John

Efjayel
09-08-08, 19:34
That pisses me off. And worst that the news wont report it. You should really do something about it Cj.

Member #4450
09-09-08, 07:28
That's pretty scary shit!
Man I can't imaging these cops kicking the door down while your getting busy.
They're getting more aggressive than before , it is a normal thing seeing the federales sometimes cruising the zona but never heard about going into bars and trashing everyone, the zona is full of American mongers, and that's not good for business, I guess with ol the drug war going around we are going to see more of this raids more often.
I thought the military presence was making the zona safer from police abuse
that's what I heard.

Member #4450
09-09-08, 07:48
If you're not a bad guy, then don't worry about it.
Country John
That's the problem CJ,
they think the zona is loaded with low life American Mongers and local bad guys they know that we go there for cheap sex and easy drugs, so if your in the zona that alone makes you a bad guy even if your not, let's be honest we are not there for shopping and dinner with the family, Latin culture thinks different, so don't expect to get treated like a gentleman by the police if your in the zona at 2am.
Funny but even the BP give you the look like we are some kind of sick indvidual or something when returning home alone at night!

Country John
09-09-08, 19:39
That's the problem CJ,
they think the zona is loaded with low life American Mongers and local bad guys they know that we go there for cheap sex and easy drugs, so if your in the zona that alone makes you a bad guy even if your not, let's be honest we are not there for shopping and dinner with the family, Latin culture thinks different, so don't expect to get treated like a gentleman by the police if your in the zona at 2am.
Funny but even the BP give you the look like we are some kind of sick indvidual or something when returning home alone at night!

Most Mexcians I know have girlfriends outside their relationships -a mistress if you will. They don't go to the Zona. Many business people see it as the "wrong side of the tracks," and an eye-sore.

The Zona Norte is a district within the City Of Tijuana, it happens to have a district wherein prostitution is "tolerated" under certain conditions. There are many people who would love to see the tolerance come to an end and the red-light district shut down altogether. The Zona Norte does not contribute that much to the economy of the city, contrary to popular belief.

The Zona Norte is a cash business and a lot of the cash get's tucked away out of the field of vision of the government, most of whom are on the "take" anyway. If the area evaporated tomorrow, many in TJ would be most grateful so there is no attention on it as a tourist attraction or a vehicle to aid in the economic recovery of Baja California. It has been a magnet for deportees and is the equivalent of "skid-row." Criminals flock there because they know there is money there, lots of it walking the streets at night, alone.

I can't over-state the importance of personal safety and security there. Club managers don't care about your security because if you don't show up, someone else will anyway, so why bother?

Very few people have pity on anyone caught up in the jaws of a police event in the Zona Norte. It would not come as a surprise to me to learn that a few of Mexico's most wanted are there, and if the cops have reason to believe this then the last thing they would worry about is hurting a gringos feelings or upsetting a prostitute.

Country John

Member #4450
09-09-08, 23:57
Most Mexcians I know have girlfriends outside their relationships -a mistress if you will. They don't go to the Zona. Many business people see it as the "wrong side of the tracks," and an eye-sore.

The Zona Norte is a district within the City Of Tijuana, it happens to have a district wherein prostitution is "tolerated" under certain conditions. There are many people who would love to see the tolerance come to an end and the red-light district shut down altogether. The Zona Norte does not contribute that much to the economy of the city, contrary to popular belief.

The Zona Norte is a cash business and a lot of the cash get's tucked away out of the field of vision of the government, most of whom are on the "take" anyway. If the area evaporated tomorrow, many in TJ would be most grateful so there is no attention on it as a tourist attraction or a vehicle to aid in the economic recovery of Baja California. It has been a magnet for deportees and is the equivalent of "skid-row." Criminals flock there because they know there is money there, lots of it walking the streets at night, alone.

I can't over-state the importance of personal safety and security there. Club managers don't care about your security because if you don't show up, someone else will anyway, so why bother?

Very few people have pity on anyone caught up in the jaws of a police event in the Zona Norte. It would not come as a surprise to me to learn that a few of Mexico's most wanted are there, and if the cops have reason to believe this then the last thing they would worry about is hurting a gringos feelings or upsetting a prostitute.

Country John
I couldn't say it better!
I also want to add that the zona is infected with deported gang members,
you can see more and more every time.
That's one reason I don't like to stay at night in the zona, too freaky for my taste, especially now with the drug war going on.
Great post CJ!

Country John
09-25-08, 22:19
I couldn't say it better!
I also want to add that the zona is infected with deported gang members,
you can see more and more every time.
That's one reason I don't like to stay at night in the zona, too freaky for my taste, especially now with the drug war going on.
Great post CJ!

Well, living here gives you and enhanced perspective especially on the Zona. You are right about one thing, there are MANY deportees there and 90% would be ex-cons or would-be cons if they had not been deported.

If you get outside the Zona, and get into the fabric of this "salad bowl" of a city you discover very quickly that, although crime is a fact of life here (perhaps more so than State-side) there are increased changes of being a victim in the Zona Norte than in La Presa, some 13 miles South of the border.

Ask anyone in TJ where the walking cash is and they'll tell you the Zona Norte. More guys walk the streets of the Zona Norte cashed up than almost anywhere else so it's no surprise that the bad guys would congregate there and plan a caper or two.

The one major deterrent, however, is that none of these hardened bad guys want to spend time in La Mesa State Prison. If they are caught in a strong arm robbery or assault, especially on a tourist, or with a pocket full of credit cards, someone elses ID or wallet, they'll go there and wait several weeks for a hearing. La Mesa is NO place for the lightweight. Many of these gangsters have enemies there who are members of rival gangs etc. Remember that over 20 men died there a few weeks ago. La Mesa is a tough place.

Bad guys really have to (and most do) think twice before getting stupid. They spend the night in the tank if they have no ID when picked up by the cops on one of the regular Zona sweeps, and you can make no mistake about it, the cops treat the bad guys like animals really.

So the bad guys will try to run scams.

Stay away from street hawkers. Even being seen talking to one could tie you up for the night with the cops.

The Zona Norte is easily navigated on your own as long as you stay withint the boundries, don't stray off into the night or follow some ratero into a room to have sex with his "special" girl. Use common sense as best you can when there.

Country John

Undercoverh
09-27-08, 21:47
Stories are coming in about the raid last week by the AFI in the Zona where the place was shut down, people searched, girls held and "robbed of their cash and cel phones," etc.

It is a fact, it did actually happen and there are other reports of the "police" robbing certain bars and maseros of their cash (amounting to tens of thousands of dollars).

One story is that they were looking for some bad guys who they thought were holed up at Cascades, so they went through the place room by room, tossing everything and taking whatever they wanted.

The newspapers are not reporting on it as of this writing. I'll come back when I have something reliable to report.

If you're not a bad guy, then don't worry about it.

Country John


Raids in Zona is nothing new. It was my unlucky night 5 years ago to be
there on a Saturday night when they came. Truck loads of them with automatic weapons. The streets were shut down, the music in clubs turned off and everyone in the club had to stay while the search was conducted. After the they searched me and found no drugs or weapons, I was allowed to leave the club. The girls, the club, and the owners of the clubs were also searched. Hey, this is the Zona, famous for drugs, sex, and gangs! Now, I only go to the Zona in the early morning and leave by 3:30 p.m.

Country John
09-28-08, 21:43
This time the AFI were looking for undocumented girls. I wa not present for any of this but word is the agents lined the girls up and checked their ID's. There are (or were) many Mexican American gringas working the clubs a few years ago, and it wouldn't be the first thime the girls ratted out other girls from SA.

Efjayel
09-29-08, 07:31
AFI? SA?

What are those?

Phordphan
09-29-08, 16:47
AFI? SA?

What are those?

AFI = Agencia Federal de Investigación. Sort of the Mexican FBI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Investigations_Agency

SA = South America?

Efjayel
09-29-08, 18:08
I think he was trying to say USA but forgot the U and only put the SA.

But if thats the case, what is wrong with USA girls working in the bars? As long as they have that health card, there should be no problem, right?

Phordphan
09-30-08, 00:53
I think he was trying to say USA but forgot the U and only put the SA.

But if thats the case, what is wrong with USA girls working in the bars? As long as they have that health card, there should be no problem, right?

Can a US chick get a health card from Mexico? The only gringas I've encountered I wouldn't do with a stolen dick. (Thanx to George Carlin!) So, I assume they didn't have one.

Country John
09-30-08, 03:36
AFI = Agencia Federal de Investigación. Sort of the Mexican FBI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Investigations_Agency

SA = South America?

PhordPhan would be correct. Lots of girls who get here from South America work the streets waiting for a pass Stateside. For many, TJ=USA.

Tijuana Brass
09-30-08, 09:01
But if thats the case, what is wrong with USA girls working in the bars? As long as they have that health card, there should be no problem, right?If the lady holds dual US/Mexican citizenship it should not be much of a problem. If not, then she has to jump through several hoops, as this official Mexican government website suggests.

http://www.sre.gob.mx/english/services/visasforeigners.htm

However, that does not mean that the requirements (or "hoops") are enforced, or enforced uniformly, or are even uniform themselves.

?pero usted sabía eso ya?

Es Los Estados Unidos de Mexicanos.

(But you knew that already?)

Efjayel
09-30-08, 09:42
Just saw this in the news today.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ef82be98-4af9-4320-b10a-2b0906f274fd

Although on this report they don't mention the message they found with the bodies. It said something like, "this will continue to happen to those who don't stay quiet."

This is pretty fucked up.

Hey Cj, how far from the Zona did this happen?

ToroRojo
09-30-08, 20:40
I have read many reports and everyone always says to swallow your purchase inside the pharmacy so as not to get caught if being searched. But.....has anyone bought viagra and carried it back across the border without a hitch?
I've only been to TJ 3 times, all during early afternoon and have left by 6:00 pm. never even get looked at by policia or border guys, let alone get searched. I always go to the pharmacy and buy 1 V and wait until my 2nd go to take it. Now I know this is only 3 trips, but I wonder if anyone ever gets hassled in the daytime.
Just curious as to everyone personal experiences, not heresay.

thanks

Sgt Perv
09-30-08, 23:57
I have read many reports and everyone always says to swallow your purchase inside the pharmacy so as not to get caught if being searched. But. Has anyone bought viagra and carried it back across the border without a hitch?

I've only been to Tijuana 3 times, all during early afternoon and have left by 6:00 pm. Never even get looked at by policia or border guys, let alone get searched. I always go to the pharmacy and buy 1 V and wait until my 2nd go to take it. Now I know this is only 3 trips, but I wonder if anyone ever gets hassled in the daytime.

Just curious as to everyone personal experiences, not heresay. ThanksWould it be worth the price you would have to pay if you got caught?

Illegal drugs are transported across the border all the time and that is what you are talking about doing. Why take the chance and then be put on the list for "extra attention" for the rest of your life at any border.

V pills can be purchased over internet.

The number of v pills you are caught with makes a difference too. The more pills, the higher the price you pay.

Yes, I have brought them across myself before I knew it was illegal. At that time I was above "normal tourist" inspection. I would show ID and be wisked through without any questions. If I were caught I would have had a lot more to lose also. Once I found out it was a crime I immediately quit and changed my underwear.

Country John
10-01-08, 00:01
Just saw this in the news today.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ef82be98-4af9-4320-b10a-2b0906f274fd

Although on this report they don't mention the message they found with the bodies. It said something like, "this will continue to happen to those who don't stay quiet."

This is pretty fucked up.

Hey Cj, how far from the Zona did this happen?

There are two theories on the note. One, is that someone in the group was talking to the cops and the other is that someone in the group was talking to the competition. I have another theory in that this group was offed to set an example just in case someone wants to talk to the cops or to the competition. In any case, it's narcos killing each other and that's fine with me.

It happened in Otay, about 6 miles from here. If you take the Otay Garita (or border crossing) you would have driven very close by as it was close tot he school.



I have read many reports and everyone always says to swallow your purchase inside the pharmacy so as not to get caught if being searched. But.....has anyone bought viagra and carried it back across the border without a hitch?
I've only been to TJ 3 times, all during early afternoon and have left by 6:00 pm. never even get looked at by policia or border guys, let alone get searched. I always go to the pharmacy and buy 1 V and wait until my 2nd go to take it. Now I know this is only 3 trips, but I wonder if anyone ever gets hassled in the daytime.
Just curious as to everyone personal experiences, not heresay.

You will have a problem with viagra if you are caught with it on either side of the border without a prescription. Carrying it on you without a prescription is a chance you take day or night.

If you get caught in Mexico, expect to pay a mordita of say around $100. or more if they have your wallet and you got the money. Don't go overboard or agree to go to the ATM, ask to see the judge.

Country John

Tijuana Brass
10-02-08, 08:04
. . . but I wonder if anyone ever gets hassled in the daytime.

Just curious as to everyone personal experiences, not heresay.You Can get more than hassled if you bring drugs across without a prescription, but the other posters already noted that.

You mentioned that you cross at times when border traffic may be "lighter" than during the peak weekend times. Actually, those are the times (when the lines are shorter) that ICE has more time to search. I am a frequent vehicle crosser (Tecate, about 1. 5 hours east of San Diego) and sometimes a pedestrian crosser at Tijuana, Tecate and Mexicali. I take prescribed medications with me wherever I go. Never had a problem as they are for personal use, necessary, and prescribed by a physician.

For Vitamin V, just get a prescription for the stuff. Keep the pharmacy bottle (which has the prescription info on it) with you.

Keep your money for Las Adelitas, no las Policias. Si? Bueno suerte, Senor.

Country John
10-02-08, 21:00
According to the government of Mexico, Viagra does not appear on the list of controlled substances, therefoer no prescription is required.

If you are stopped by the cops and you have Viagra, tell the officer that you are not required to have a prescription under the law, and that you will go to see the judge.

Here is a link to the list of controlled substances in PDF format. http://www.cofepris.gob.mx/pyp/estpsic/LISTA-MODIF2008.pdf Print this out. Keep a copy in the car or in your bag.

Country John

Amigo69
10-02-08, 23:01
According to the government of Mexico, Viagra does not appear on the list of controlled substances, therefoer no prescription is required.

If you are stopped by the cops and you have Viagra, tell the officer that you are not required to have a prescription under the law, and that you will go to see the judge.

Here is a link to the list of controlled substances in PDF format. http://www.cofepris.gob.mx/pyp/estpsic/LISTA-MODIF2008.pdf Print this out. Keep a copy in the car or in your bag.

Country JohnThanks Country John

I also do not see Cialis in the list.

I will still try to be careful and not get caught because I do not want to go through that hassle.

Also does the list just contain Mexican made drugs and Mexican generics? The list appears to just be Mexican made drugs.

Maybe they require a prescription if thay are manufactured outside of Mexico.

In any case thanks for the list and if you know the answer to my question please let us know.

Thanks,

Amigo69

Sgt Perv
10-03-08, 05:23
According to the government of Mexico, Viagra does not appear on the list of controlled substances, therefoer no prescription is required.

If you are stopped by the cops and you have Viagra, tell the officer that you are not required to have a prescription under the law, and that you will go to see the judge.

Here is a link to the list of controlled substances in PDF format. http://www.cofepris.gob.mx/pyp/estpsic/LISTA-MODIF2008.pdf Print this out. Keep a copy in the car or in your bag.

Country JohnWhat I was referring to was crossing over to the USA. If illegal in Mexico the pharmacy most likely would not sell. I always thought it was a policia bs to rip you off, cause nobody wants the hassle. The real problem is entering into the USA without a prescription.

With homeland securities the way they are, your name WILL be entered into the data base and a flag of alert tagged to your passport. This in itself will not stop any travel plans you might have, it will get you some "extra" attention upon reentry.

A couple of v or c will most likely get tossed in a "oops" garbage can, you will get tagged and be on your way in a few hours. Larger amounts are trouble with your tag.

To actually do it would be easy cause the dogs are not trained to alert on v or c and nobody want to feel for a couple of pills around your boys.

Did I mention that where they are found makes a difference?

If caught with just a couple pills in a place ,as to conceal, other than normal place (pocket, purse or bag), the "oops" can is no longer a option.

I do not believe it is not worth the attempt.

Efjayel
10-03-08, 07:36
Can someone explain why someone would take those pills if they don't really need them?

Sgt Perv
10-03-08, 08:57
Can someone explain why someone would take those pills if they don't really need them? I guess because it takes less effort. It is not like you take a pill and you have an erection busting your pants open all night.

My first experience with V was in Tijuana. I had some friends who were taking them and asked if I wanted one. I told them my stuff was fine.

Hell, I had been in the high desert for three weeks, I would have done a coyote if I could have caught one. I was doing 8 chicas a day! My stuff worked well.

A month later we are back in Tijuana again. I was asked again and this time I thought I would try one. Now since my stuff was in normal working order, I did not want to short circuit good equipment. So what I did was bite a piece of it off and waited.

Not a damn thing happened. I bite another piece off and waited. Still nothing. So I take the rest of the pill and wait another half hour while looking around on Ave Rev. (it is about 2pm). Still nothing.

I thought the stuff really did not work if you did not need it because I had no erection. I go to the zona and step in CC for a drink. A chica comes up to me and asks if I want to go upstairs. I said no I just ordered a drink. She tells me to bring it with me. I said it is early I want to drink it first. She snuggles up to me and starts to tell me want she was going to do to me.

BAM, I swear I thought I heard my little man snap to attention. It jumped up so fast I did not have time to adjust its living quarters. I was humped over and she laughed and said "you ready now. Lets go".

Walking out of the bar to go upstairs next door I felt like I was 15 y/o who was just asked to come to the blackboard to solve a problem. It is summer I have baggy pants and no underwear on. I was trying to hide my excitement as I was walking past a line of people. She saw my situation and kindly got in front and stayed close.

When we got upstair I could have solved algebra equations while doing her. My man was locked and loaded.

For the next 5-6 hours all I had to do was seriously think " I want to fuck"and I was locked up (in between times it would go down almost to normal). My only wait was, since I was in good physical shape, was for resupply of ammo. I fucked one time and shot dust balls cause I was tapped out.

I wanted to see what I could do so I got an alley girl did her, as soon as we came down to the street I grabbed another one and did her. When we came down I grabbed a third chica and when I tried to cum not a damn thing came out. My boys could not keep my man supplied.

So for recreational purposes it is great. I could drink and still perform at a moments notice. I was harder a for longer amount of times. I do not use it in my "normal" life but in Tijuana I like it.

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Country John
10-03-08, 16:59
First of all, I am not an attorney so I can't give legal advice. I am not a doctor so I can't give medical advice. But I can give some common sesne advice because some believe I have a bit of that.

The "list" of drugs carries the chemial name as well as the trade name.

The reason why you need a prescription in the USA is because of the medical ramifications of taking Viagra if you have heart or blood pressure issues, doctors can evaluate whether you are putting yourself at risk, but you don't need their prescription to buy Viagra in Mexico, only in the USA. There is also a substantial reward system for doctors who prescribe certain medications, but I won't go there.

The checmical name in Spanish might differ from the chemical name in English or even Latin, although it might be closer to the Latin name than the English name. Look at the list carefully, if the drug is not listed, it is not controlled.

People take Viagra in order to assist their body in sending "go" signals to the Penis. Of course, it is much more complicated than that: A man takes a Viagra pill. The sildenafil citrate enters his bloodstream and flows throughout his body. The sildenafil citrate attaches to the PDE5 enzyme in his penis and disables most of it. When the man becomes sexually aroused, the brain sends the normal message to the NANC cells in his penis, which produce nitric oxide as usual. The nitric oxide creates cGMP, which starts relaxing the arteries in his penis. Since the PDE5 has been disabled, the cGMP in the penis does not break down. Instead, it builds up and lets the arteries in the penis fully dilate.
His penis inflates with blood, and the man gets a full erection.

Viagra also has some nasty side effects: Piolts can't take Viagra within 12 hours of flight because of the effect it has on color perception. The second problem comes for people who are taking drugs like nitroglycerin for angina. Viagra and nitro open arteries for different reasons. Taking two meds to do the same thing for different reasons can lead you into trouble. This is also the anatomy of a headache, increased pressure of the blood vessels on the brain.

So it's nothing you want to fuck with, if you have a history of heart or cardiovcascular issues, you really need to make sure you're OK to take Viagra, otherwise we'll could be hearing about you on 9News in Tijuana at 7AM.

If you are in possession of a controlled substance (like medication) when you enter the USA, you can get whacked because it is illegal. If you are caught with a controlled substance in Mexico without a prescription, same thing- you get whacked. The decision to whack you lies with the officer you encounter but make no mistake about it, you're busted.

Viagra is NOT a controlled substance in Mexico. The rule is that any medication used to treat Erectiule Dysfunction or a sexual inadequacy does not require a prescription in Mexico.

But make no mistake about it: these meds can ruin your day as well as make your session. My advice is to get it checked.

Be Safe and Be Nice

Country John

Efjayel
10-03-08, 20:06
I wanted to see what I could do so I got an alley girl did her, as soon as we came down to the street I grabbed another one and did her. When we came down I grabbed a third chica and when I tried to cum not a damn thing came out. My boys could not keep my man supplied.



But where you able to cum? Cause I've read that part of what causes the big o feeling is the discharge itself. If you don't discharge anything, then its either it's a reduced big o or you simply just dont cum.

Sgt Perv
10-03-08, 21:06
But where you able to cum? Cause I've read that part of what causes the big o feeling is the discharge itself. If you don't discharge anything, then its either it's a reduced big o or you simply just dont cum.It is reduced, that is why I said my only wait was for resupply. You can still have "O" but like most recreational sex, your first is the best.

I am not always into it for my "O". I like the feel, touch, smell and expressions on the chicas. If I was out only for the "O" I would stay in my room and rub one off.

I have found that with changing to different chicas through out the day I tend to recharge and my interests rekindled.

I actually use the chicas to practice my skills at giving a female an "O". I know that some will think this foolish but I have got after work parties from the girls because of me being considerate. Working girls like "O" too.

Here is how I figure it. I am a male I can be done in 5 minutes so I have time to kill that I have paid for. If I get mine right away she will want to leave but if I stimulate her first with real devoted attention she will want to stay.

Damn that sounds like a wife/girlfriend.

Gordog62
10-04-08, 00:04
A friend who runs one of the "Web Escrort Agencies" in Tijuana sent me this afterI heard about the shakedown in the Zona.

"The police moved in because they were looking for a cartel guy and one of the Managers. The place is owned by a drug cartel and they hired temporary "sheriffs" to help, and gave them permission to steal. It was a message to them to quit harboring wanted cartel members. They did close the whole street for several hours but only fucked with Las Chavelas, Hong Kong and Cascadas Hotel. All owned by the same cartel."

Country John
10-20-08, 17:42
Besides being voted the second most dangerous place in Northern Mexico, Tijuana will soon have an influx of new Mexican Military guys to handle certain law enforcement actions. They are also freshly pissed off since they lost one of their own in the past week or so, the first army guy to die in the line of duty at the hands of narcotraficantes.

Military is not a trained law enforcement agency (neither is TJPD for that matter) so that means that YOU need to behave yourself because these guys are not going to fuck around if they have a reason to stop you. I watched a guy in a newer Chevy Silverado Crewcab get stopped on Saturday and the State Police handled the stop, backed up by TJPD.

Anyone with any LE experience would have counted about 20 problems with the stop which amount to a very dangerous situation for the cops and the suspect, not to mention people in the area of the stop. This happend well outside the tourist zones by the way, but it could have happened in the Zona.

This particular stop blocked traffic in both directions on a busy street and attracted a lot of lookie-loos.

Don't be a lookie loo. IF the cops get a truck load of narcos with AK-47s and they decide to put up a fight, it can get very very dangerous since a 7.62 round is deadly at a very long range. These guys are stupid. They will die for their drugs and their money and their gold chains and rolex watches.

If the military ask you to stop, and they want to search you and toss your car, be very police and let them have their way. Do NOT resist. You have no rights. None. The US constitution does not cover you in Mexico.

If you drive an SUV with tint or a newer crew cab with tint, expect to get stopped. Consider leaving the car State-side.

Country John
11-20-08, 19:07
seems this thread could use some dusting off, and you could use some updated info.

this week 500 tjpd people were relieved of duty and replaced by federal and state cops. the 500 were returned to the "academy" for training and extensive background checks.

noteworthy is that there were no murders in tj last night.

the cops that were sent away were front line patrol and command officers from central and eastern tijuana. all are not expected to return because not all will pass the background. they also want to take them out of circulation in order to try to isolate who is leaking what information to who.

when they are finished, another 500 will be relieved in the same way. traffic officers were not taken off duty so watch your speed out there.

the military, federal and state police have taken up patrol duties. they might be a bit more even-handed and less likely to shake you down, but that's no reason to mis-behave because they will have a lower tolerance.

last week, 20 officers including command officers were arrested and sent to mexico city for interrogation. they will not be returning to tjpd and will not work in law enforcement anywhere in mexico again.

any tjpd cop who doesn't know he is under the microscope is a fool. but there are a lot of fools on tjpd as we all know.

bottom line? things are changing here and people are getting happy that action is being taken.

Efjayel
11-21-08, 09:36
Last week, 20 officers including command officers were arrested and sent to Mexico City for interrogation. They will not be returning to TJPD and will not work in law enforcement anywhere in Mexico again.


What where they arrested for?

Glad to hear they are straightening out the TJPD. So do the replacements also wear the standard PD uniforms?

Country John
11-21-08, 16:34
What where they arrested for?

Glad to hear they are straightening out the TJPD. So do the replacements also wear the standard PD uniforms?

They were arrested for alleged ties to the drug cartels and other mis-deeds.

Uniforms are similar to swat type with POLICIA - FEDERAL on the back in white letters.

Traffic cop are still working and there are about 1500 other regular TJPD people on duty, but understand this: they know they are being watched, very closely.

When you are here, just behave yourself. Don't go high profile because of booze or bling. Enjoy yourself and let this process run out.

I must say I sense a feeling of relief in the air here, people generally are still somewhat skeptical but encouraged and happy to see action being taken. Some are frightened that the Federales are also corrupt and they might be to some extent, but they would be nowhere near the corruption rampant in TJPD.

Country John

Country John
11-24-08, 18:12
I've not done this before, suggesting that Mongers avoid a particular area, but since many come here not knowing the lay of the land, I figure, given recent events, I should issue my own Monger Travel Alert.

Most of the deadly violence in TJ recently has been in the areas of Otay and La Presa.

Otay is on the East side of the city and has an international crossing. There are also a few clubs in that area. There are also a lot of bad guys in that area as well as a lot of shootings. The most recent being Friday night at the "Utopia" club. Five people (three men, two women) were shot by bad guys with automatic weapons.

La Presa is on the South side of the city, about 15 miles South and not on the monger dog path at all and I am not aware of any clubs in the area because I don't go. I do know it is a poor area and since most of the brain dead trigger people are recruited from among these poor communities you can bet there is a lot of live ammo and itchy trigger fingers there. Rumor has it that also have a few grenades. It's no fucking fun when they go off either.

STAY AWAY from these areas. Do NOT go to a club in OTAY, or OTAY MESA or anything with an "OTAY" in it. LA PRESA has been a dumping ground for corpses for the most part, but dangerous nonetheless.

Stick to the "road well travelled." There seems to be a "hands-off" understanding when it comes to the Zona Norte and you should be OK there.

Wherever you go in Tijuana, any club, anywhere, anytime, you need to check your cover because even in the upscale shopping malls in the USA, you NEVER know where it's going to come from, and you need to try to be prepared.

Anyone else living in TJ who has more/better info, now is the time to chime in, but for now, I wanted to get this out.

Be safe
Country John

Louie OK
11-26-08, 11:37
While it's true that most of the killings have occurred to the south and southeast of the Zona Rio, plenty have happened to the west of there.
Most seem to be planned-in-advance type of killings while much fewer seem to take innocent bystanders down as well as random or senseless shootings.
I'm sure the violent climate doesn't hinder those who are more inclined to commit violent acts against others,
but in fact may embolden them to crawl out from under their rocks.

At the Utopia bar, the gunmen first shouted that people get down. I don't know if any of those shot were specifically targeted.

One ballpark during the daytime had gunmen come in and tell it's occupants to hit the ground before they killed their one target.

A young teenage girl was killed as a male narco being targeted grabbed her in his futile attempt to shield himself.

A female Pemex attendant was shot and killed by an occupant of a vehicle which she had just serviced. I don't know if she was acquainted with the shooter.

Country John
11-26-08, 18:49
While it's true that most of the killings have occurred to the south and southeast of the Zona Rio, plenty have happened to the west of there.
Most seem to be planned-in-advance type of killings while much fewer seem to take innocent bystanders down as well as random or senseless shootings.
I'm sure the violent climate doesn't hinder those who are more inclined to commit violent acts against others,
but in fact may embolden them to crawl out from under their rocks.

At the Utopia bar, the gunmen first shouted that people get down. I don't know if any of those shot were specifically targeted.

One ballpark during the daytime had gunmen come in and tell it's occupants to hit the ground before they killed their one target.

A young teenage girl was killed as a male narco being targeted grabbed her in his futile attempt to shield himself.

A female Pemex attendant was shot and killed by an occupant of a vehicle which she had just serviced. I don't know if she was acquainted with the shooter.

Thanks for the clarifications, this is good data. I also believe that the killings are not random, but are planned and the innocents are given notice before the gunfire erupts.

It's still somewhat disconcerting, but I for one would appreciate the "heads up" from the bad guys before they pull the trigger.

Efjayel
11-27-08, 08:24
Well I preffer they'd wait until the guy was out of the bar and out of range from innocent civilians before they shoot him down. Even if your warned and duck out of the way before shooting ever starts, do you think you'd feel safe to come back and hang around there again?

Country John
11-27-08, 17:17
Well I preffer they'd wait until the guy was out of the bar and out of range from innocent civilians before they shoot him down. Even if your warned and duck out of the way before shooting ever starts, do you think you'd feel safe to come back and hang around there again?

No. I probably would not go back. Remember: Keep the odds in YOUR favor.

El Tijuanense
11-27-08, 19:33
No. I probably would not go back. Remember: Keep the odds in YOUR favor.True.

Keep it safe

El Tijuanense
11-27-08, 21:30
I've not done this before, suggesting that Mongers avoid a particular area, but since many come here not knowing the lay of the land, I figure, given recent events, I should issue my own Monger Travel Alert.

Most of the deadly violence in TJ recently has been in the areas of Otay and La Presa.

Otay is on the East side of the city and has an international crossing. There are also a few clubs in that area. There are also a lot of bad guys in that area as well as a lot of shootings. The most recent being Friday night at the "Utopia" club. Five people (three men, two women) were shot by bad guys with automatic weapons.

La Presa is on the South side of the city, about 15 miles South and not on the monger dog path at all and I am not aware of any clubs in the area because I don't go. I do know it is a poor area and since most of the brain dead trigger people are recruited from among these poor communities you can bet there is a lot of live ammo and itchy trigger fingers there. Rumor has it that also have a few grenades. It's no fucking fun when they go off either.

STAY AWAY from these areas. Do NOT go to a club in OTAY, or OTAY MESA or anything with an "OTAY" in it. LA PRESA has been a dumping ground for corpses for the most part, but dangerous nonetheless.

Stick to the "road well travelled." There seems to be a "hands-off" understanding when it comes to the Zona Norte and you should be OK there.

Wherever you go in Tijuana, any club, anywhere, anytime, you need to check your cover because even in the upscale shopping malls in the USA, you NEVER know where it's going to come from, and you need to try to be prepared.

Anyone else living in TJ who has more/better info, now is the time to chime in, but for now, I wanted to get this out.

Be safe
Country JohnThere is a cartel war going on in Tijuana, i would stay away from rumored CARTEL owned Zona clubs.Sooner or later the rivals will gun down those places and take down innocent people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ov0XuU1MU&feature=related

El Tijuanense
11-27-08, 21:55
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex.

Reinaldo
11-28-08, 05:44
At the Utopia bar, the gunmen first shouted that people get down. I don't know if any of those shot were specifically targeted.



Do you have a link for this? I've read three different newspaper versions of what happened and none said this. The three versions:

1. They lined the victims up against a wall and fired.
2. They came in shooting without saying anything.
3. They fired at a table where 3 people were seated.

BTW, one of the papers said Utopia was owned by the guy who was the head honcho at the Sindicatura when Jorge Hank was mayor.,

Louie OK
12-02-08, 16:33
Do you have a link for this? I've read three different newspaper versions of what happened and none said this. The three versions:

1. They lined the victims up against a wall and fired.
2. They came in shooting without saying anything.
3. They fired at a table where 3 people were seated.

BTW, one of the papers said Utopia was owned by the guy who was the head honcho at the Sindicatura when Jorge Hank was mayor.,

No I don't. The old lady reads the various reports in Spanish via the web and then tells me some of this stuff.
You could be right though that it might be just another version to consider.

It's interesting that the Utopia owner was a "connected" type of guy, but then I don't really know what this "Sindicatura" means . . .. . :)

Country John
12-02-08, 20:59
No I don't. The old lady reads the various reports in Spanish via the web and then tells me some of this stuff.
You could be right though that it might be just another version to consider.

It's interesting that the Utopia owner was a "connected" type of guy, but then I don't really know what this "Sindicatura" means . . .. . :)

"Sindicatura" is similar to an Internal Affairs division of a police department. Dirty cops would end up there for processing after they mis-behaved.

El Tijuanense
12-04-08, 07:25
EL PASO - An American woman was shot in Juarez on Tuesday and died as she was being transported to Thomason Hospital.The ambulance arrived at Thomason shortly after noon Tuesday, but she had already died, officials said.

Officials confirmed the woman was a U.S. citizen, though it is unknown if she lived in El Paso.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/newupdated/ci_11121879

Section11
12-04-08, 19:46
How come nobody is talking about the 38 killed over the weekend?

Sounds like things are getting out of control.

Louie OK
12-05-08, 03:47
One might want to bear in mind that when we hear of Americans being murdered in Mexico, it probably isn't Biff or Buffy Tourist from Malibu.

Not that this should necessarily make any difference, but I would guess that many of these "US citizens" are of Mexican heritage and who have various family and/or business connections to areas south-of-the-border.

The gringo relationship to Mexico is often a very different type of lifestyle than those immersed in the Mexican culture for generations.

Certainly correct me if I'm wrong.

Country John
12-05-08, 04:10
How come nobody is talking about the 38 killed over the weekend?

Sounds like things are getting out of control.

For me, the weekend seems like it was yesterday. There is no time anymore.

Yes, the slaughter continues and those people tied up in the drug traffic business are also getting caught up in the gears of the machine. It's ugly, that's for sure.

I find that most Mexicans I talk to are more mad than frightened. They're upset that the narcos are being so reckless because it causes an inexperienced and incapable police department to be reckless as well.

I stay home at night, no needless running around. I'm tired at the end of the day anyway. Fortunately for me after three years with my girl, I still want to fuck her evey time I see her so comig home is always nice.

There are no guarantees in life. If shooting erupts and you are between the players you might get whacked. So stay alert. Always leave yourself an "out" and that could be a doorway, a building, a vehicle etc. It's common sense anywhere really, same for the USA if you are in an area like the Zona.

People here are going about their business, but are at DEFCON 2. Ill be attending a Fiesta at La Botana across the street from Bar Tropical Saturday evening (fund raiser for the Orphanage) and you are all invited. Starts at 7:30 PM. But I'm parking secure and watching things closely, as anyone who visits the Zona should do.

The narcos and the cops are chasing each other, not mongers. Don't be paranoid, be alert. Be a good by-stander and stay out of the way and you'll be fine.

Be safe and be nice
Country John

El Tijuanense
12-05-08, 19:42
One might want to bear in mind that when we hear of Americans being murdered in Mexico, it probably isn't Biff or Buffy Tourist from Malibu.

Not that this should necessarily make any difference, but I would guess that many of these "US citizens" are of Mexican heritage and who have various family and/or business connections to areas south-of-the-border.

The gringo relationship to Mexico is often a very different type of lifestyle than those immersed in the Mexican culture for generations.

Certainly correct me if I'm wrong.A gringo in the wrong area of town (la zona etc) can get whacked or kidnapped or mugged. It likely wont happen in Plaza Rio.

Louie OK
12-06-08, 09:56
Most gringos living in TJ tend to be trying to save a little money, which means they are hardly a good target other than some random senseless wrong place - wrong time bullsh*t. Narcos should be smart enough to know their beef will rarely be with some guy who has hardly a pot to p*ss in. Obviously, there are plenty of desperately poor & ignorant folks who will behave opportunistically towards any half-baked criminal scheme that may come along just to get some decent money. The violence of poverty will often make people behave crazy, if not violently.

Country John
12-07-08, 02:02
The average working Mexican would be receiving their Christmas Bonus money from their emplloyer around this time, so the bad guys know that more people are "cashed up" and make great robbery targets.

Since this time of the year should be festive and celebratory, one needs to be aware of that (especially if you are Mexican or look Mexican) and safeguard your money.

Some of these strong arm or armed robberies have been violent so if you get hit, give up the cash. Don't do anything stupid.

Take your ID's and any other important papers OUT of your wallet and put copies in there. In an robbery, you might lose the wallet and if you don't know what a drag that is, let me tell you, it is a major drag.

So deck the halls with bows of holly, safeguard your papers and your cash, keep your eyes open and stay alert.

Country John

Imahustlababy
12-07-08, 23:50
First, I want to thank all regular posters for so much helpful info - this thread answers a lot about general safety in Tj. A few questions popped in my mind after reading this thread.

1. If cops like to bother gringos talking to locals and claim that gringos wanted to buy drugs, do the cops like to bother gringos who are talking to street girls?

2. While on this subject, have there been reported any violence from street girls themselves a) in their room b) in a client's room? Or are the street girls too scared of possible consequences to even think about something like that?

3. There were reports that putting money in a safe at the hotel is a bad idea. Should there be much concern about the hotel staff looking through my suitcases for my well-hidden money? :-)

I'd probably stay at the cheapest hotel in TJ i can find and bring street girls, if that's safe. I'm a rugged traveller.

Any words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated.

Phordphan
12-08-08, 18:01
First, I want to thank all regular posters for so much helpful info - this thread answers a lot about general safety in Tj. A few questions popped in my mind after reading this thread.

1. If cops like to bother gringos talking to locals and claim that gringos wanted to buy drugs, do the cops like to bother gringos who are talking to street girls?

2. While on this subject, have there been reported any violence from street girls themselves a) in their room b) in a client's room? Or are the street girls too scared of possible consequences to even think about something like that?

3. There were reports that putting money in a safe at the hotel is a bad idea. Should there be much concern about the hotel staff looking through my suitcases for my well-hidden money? :-)

I'd probably stay at the cheapest hotel in TJ i can find and bring street girls, if that's safe. I'm a rugged traveller.

Any words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated.

1. Rare, if ever. CJ will know more than me, but I've never heard of it.

2. Again, rare, if ever. That assumes you're not being a belligerent as*hole. Then there may be a line of folks looking to teach you some manners! :)

3. If you're going to stay for any length of time, move a bit upscale. The Hacienda de Santiago, if you must stay in the zone. Several up Revu, like Villa de Zaragoza or Espana, are comfortable and reasonable. Unless you are one who stays up until 3 or 4am, you probably won't be able to sleep in any of the zona hotels due to the street noise. The really cheap hotels are pretty basic. I've been in more comfortable short-time hotels in BKK, just to compare. I suppose they're all fairly safe, as far as pilferage goes, but you're probably better off carrying your cash, not carrying excessive amounts, and using the ATM if you're going to be there for a few days.

This all assumes that when you say street girls you mean girls in the alley. A street walker (one without a fixed spot, who literally walks around) is a whole 'nuther animal. Probably a druggie, definitely not safe. The $10 you save over an alley girl really isn't worth the risk, IMHO.

BTW, it's not all that easy to bring alley girls to your room. If you have a hotel right in the zone, it's a bit easier. But they don't like to go to strange places unless they know you better. Exceptions abound, but don't be surprised.

Country John
12-09-08, 18:16
First, I want to thank all regular posters for so much helpful info. This thread answers a lot about general safety in Tijuana. A few questions popped in my mind after reading this thread.

1. If cops like to bother gringos talking to locals and claim that gringos wanted to buy drugs, do the cops like to bother gringos who are talking to street girls? When you say "locals, " you are in this case referring to the rateros and druggies that the cops already know. THese rateros could be up to all kinds of no good. Some might be carrying drugsd etc, and the only reason you would be talking to them is to buy drugs, or fall victim to their capers. That's what attracts attention from the cops.

Civilian locals are another story. Clean cut upstanding respectable citizens won't draw the same attention. Since there are very few upstanding citizens roaming the streets of the Zona Norte (present company excluded of course), you are advised to NOT engage any of the "local" hustlers, barkers, street people etc. Be polite, say: "I don't want to talk to you and I don't want you to walk with me. " Be polite, don't be rude. You can even say: "I don; t want the cops to see me talking to you. " They will understand that. Trust me.


2. While on this subject, have there been reported any violence from street girls themselves a) in their room b) in a client's room? Or are the street girls too scared of possible consequences to even think about something like that? There are many stories of violence. Not from the girl, but from her boyfriend and his friends who might be waiting for your at HER place. Don't go to HER place. Go to YOUR place. Don't take a cab to a hotel room not rented by YOU, or off property (outside the Zona Norte). The only person interested in your personal security is YOU, so do a good job.

That sweet little thing who wants to do you like you never been done before can do you at YOUR place or other secure location.

NEVER GO TO HER PLACE OR OFF PROPERTY.

You have street girls, and you have "walkers. "

Street girls post against a wall in and around the alley. They have a right to be there, they have a health card, they pay off the cops, they use the hotel they are leaning against etc. SOMETIMES they will go to your room as long as it's one of the hotels close by (Leyva for example) but since they are being watched, they usually will not go off property.

Walkers roam the zona, have no health card and will go home with you if you want. They are also high risk for violence against you, robbing you, walking out ofter you pay, STDs etc. Walkers are high risk, street girls are low risk. The girls ALWAYS worry about their personal security and size you up accordingly. So be nice, be cool, and they should have no trouble walking down the block with you.

The biggest threat from a street girl is YOU not properly negiotiating before going to the hroooom. They get your 200 pesos, but you can't touch their tits because YOU didn; t negotiate the deal etc. Things can turn shitty, but seldom ever violent.

NEVER ARGUE WITH THE GIRL IN THE ROOM AFTER SHE HAS YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL LOSE THE ARGUEMENT. YOU ALREADY LOST YOUR MONEY. FUCK HER (HAVE SEX) AND GET OUT.


3. There were reports that putting money in a safe at the hotel is a bad idea. Should there be much concern about the hotel staff looking through my suitcases for my well-hidden money?

I'd probably stay at the cheapest hotel in Tijuana I can find and bring street girls, if that's safe. I'm a rugged traveller.

Any words of wisdom will be greatly appreciated. NEVER NEVER NEVER turn your shit over to the hotel, they'll be the first to rifle through it. Find a steel mesh securty type bag and a bike lock to secure it to a plumbing pipe in the room, prefereably in the bathroom. Better yet, don't carry anything you are not prepared to lose.

The cheapest hotel in the Zona can be a scary place. Stay in the Zona if you choose, but try the Leyva. It has secure parking and guys watching the place 24/7. You'll be fine there and the girls know the place. Many will go there with you.

Country John

Phordphan
12-09-08, 21:23
The cheapest hotel in the Zona can be a scary place.
Country John

Boy, ain't THAT the truth!

One afternoon, Ms. S asked me to escort her down the street to the health clinic so she could get her card renewed. For fun we poked our heads into a couple of the "hotels" on the S. side of Coahuila, E. of Constitucion. On the same side as the karaoke place. HOLY SH*T! I wouldn't let my dog stay in any of the rooms we saw. They were cheap, that's for sure! Scary, too!

Efjayel
12-10-08, 08:24
Boy, ain't THAT the truth!

One afternoon, Ms. S asked me to escort her down the street to the health clinic so she could get her card renewed. For fun we poked our heads into a couple of the "hotels" on the S. side of Coahuila, E. of Constitucion. On the same side as the karaoke place. HOLY SH*T! I wouldn't let my dog stay in any of the rooms we saw. They were cheap, that's for sure! Scary, too!


What exactly did you see?

Phordphan
12-10-08, 17:41
What exactly did you see?

Dark, dank little rooms, either a small window or no window. Bed was some ratty, cheesy mattress laid on a concrete "pad" coming out of the wall. Grungy bedspread. Nothing looked clean. No sink/toilet/washing facility of any sort. Reminded me of pix I've seen of 19th century wild-west brothels, where the women just had "cribs" consisting of a small room and a bed.

Basically, I guess you both walk in, drop trou, pork for 15 minutes, pull up your pants and leave. =:-0

Louie OK
12-11-08, 15:51
To give some of you an idea how many people are found dead in Tijuana as well as how many of them that remain unidentified,
you might want to look here (http://periciales.pgjebc.gob.mx/Semefo%201-1.htm). The photos can be grisly, so crybabies -- be forewarned !

Some of them are obviously Americans, possibly mongerers.
Most of these presumed Americans appear to have been found in the Centro or Zona Norte areas.

The website doesn't seem to be current. This could in part be due to a huge load of increased victims (i.e. with the so-called drug "turf wars").

Sgt Perv
12-11-08, 16:24
To give some of you an idea how many people are found dead in Tijuana as well as how many of them that remain unidentified,
you might want to look here (http://periciales.pgjebc.gob.mx/Semefo%201-1.htm). The photos can be grisly, so crybabies -- be forewarned !

Some of them are obviously Americans, possibly mongerers.
Most of these presumed Americans appear to have been found in the Centro or Zona Norte areas.

The website doesn't seem to be current. This could in part be due to a huge load of increased victims (i.e. with the so-called drug "turf wars").I feel alot better now.

No blondes or overly white people.

Obviously American ?

Yes either North or South Americans for sure but as far as US citizens, we come in all shapes sizes and heritages ,so it would be impossible to tell for sure.

Mongers? Well a good bet there because a lot of them are male.

Louie OK
12-12-08, 04:30
I feel alot better now.

No blondes or overly white people.

Obviously American ?

Yes either North or South Americans for sure but as far as US citizens, we come in all shapes sizes and heritages ,so it would be impossible to tell for sure.

Mongers? Well a good bet there because a lot of them are male.
The more "obvious" US citizens would be the ones with non-Hispanic names, i.e. because they've been identified.
Of course there are plenty of US citizens with Spanish surnames.

Sgt Perv
12-12-08, 04:56
The more "obvious" US citizens would be the ones with non-Hispanic names, i.e. because they've been identified.

Of course there are plenty of US citizens with Spanish surnames.I still do believe they were in the drug business regardless were they were from because they do have US connections.

It does not make sense to me for them to waste their time on a monger who has nothing to do with drugs.

No matter what country you are in, if you mess with the drugs you are asking for problems that normal ( non druggies) people do not have.

Efjayel
12-12-08, 08:52
Eww, horrible pictures.

But from my what I think most look like Mexican natives. A few do look like Mexican-Americans visiting Tj but not as many. I don't know, I could be wrong.

Louie OK
12-12-08, 15:04
If one is able to not get overly distracted by the pictures,
there is other information there including the names of some them as well the locations where they were found.
Also remember that plenty of Mexican appearing people are US citizens.

Country John
12-12-08, 18:29
They are not tourists. They are drug cartel associates, probably low level people with a big mouth.

Let's get some perspective. I'm terrified driving in the USA. Some nut could be perched off the freeway waiting to take a shot, or maybe some moron will do a drive-by. Random killing. Random violence. The cops can't control it. The best they can do is show up with their lights flashing and their yellow barricade tape, shiny badges, crisply pressed uniforms etc., maybe bring the dogs.

Serious incidents will see the mobile command center with fresh coffee.

They might eventually get the guy, but you'll still be dead when they do.

Here in TJ, the bad guys will drive around a tourist bus to get to the other bad guys so they can cut them up with AK-47's etc. Or maybe wait until late at night to off a cop. You will notice that in most cases, traffic is low. It's late at night, they want a clear shot. They don't want to be seen dumping the bodies, or chopping off the head etc.

For their part, the bad guy probably threatened to defect to the other side, had loose lips etc. Bad guys often use in-house prostitutes to see if they can get the guy to talk about what he does. If he says too much, he dies.

You as a tourist and as a monger are far removed from the goings on in Tijuana between the bad guys and the cops. With all the violence in Tijuana, there have been NO such incidents in the Zona Norte. It's high profile for the bad guys to be there. They don't need to go to the Zona anyway.

You are in grave danger on the 5 or 805 South. If some brain-dead knucklehead forgets how to drive, or if Johnny Fuckhead decides it time for target practice, you could end up in deep shit.

Come to the Zona. Come here and get laid. Don't be stupid while here. Be smart, be safe, be nice and have fun.

Country John

Admin
12-14-08, 16:35
Greetings everyone,

El Tijuanense attempted to post several reports documenting what he alleges were Americans killed violently in TJ, ostensibly to prove his ongoing theme that TJ is just too dangerous for mere mortals to visit.

I have deleted these "reports".

El Tijuanense apparently has some sort of agenda. I don't know exactly what it is, but it appears that he wishes to dissuade anyone from visiting Tijuana, which he probably considers his personal playground.

In the future, El Tijuanense will be limited to posting only in the thread I originally established for him, and in which he has apparently decided to abandon and instead renew his propaganda efforts by posting throughout in the forum, case in point.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2966

Thanks,

Jackson

Cobra Comander
12-14-08, 23:42
Greetings everyone,

El Tijuanense attempted to post several reports documenting what he alleges were Americans killed violently in TJ, ostensibly to prove his ongoing theme that TJ is just too dangerous for mere mortals to visit.

I have deleted these "reports".

El Tijuanense apparently has some sort of agenda. I don't know exactly what it is, but it appears that he wishes to dissuade anyone from visiting Tijuana, which he probably considers his personal playground.

In the future, El Tijuanense will be limited to posting only in the thread I originally established for him, and in which he has apparently decided to abandon and instead renew his propaganda efforts by posting throughout in the forum, case in point.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2966

Thanks,

Jackson


Thank you!

CC

Member #4450
12-17-08, 02:10
They are not tourists. They are drug cartel associates, probably low level people with a big mouth.

Let's get some perspective. I'm terrified driving in the USA. Some nut could be perched off the freeway waiting to take a shot, or maybe some moron will do a drive-by. Random killing. Random violence. The cops can't control it. The best they can do is show up with their lights flashing and their yellow barricade tape, shiny badges, crisply pressed uniforms etc., maybe bring the dogs.

Serious incidents will see the mobile command center with fresh coffee.

They might eventually get the guy, but you'll still be dead when they do.

Here in TJ, the bad guys will drive around a tourist bus to get to the other bad guys so they can cut them up with AK-47's etc. Or maybe wait until late at night to off a cop. You will notice that in most cases, traffic is low. It's late at night, they want a clear shot. They don't want to be seen dumping the bodies, or chopping off the head etc.

For their part, the bad guy probably threatened to defect to the other side, had loose lips etc. Bad guys often use in-house prostitutes to see if they can get the guy to talk about what he does. If he says too much, he dies.

You as a tourist and as a monger are far removed from the goings on in Tijuana between the bad guys and the cops. With all the violence in Tijuana, there have been NO such incidents in the Zona Norte. It's high profile for the bad guys to be there. They don't need to go to the Zona anyway.

You are in grave danger on the 5 or 805 South. If some brain-dead knucklehead forgets how to drive, or if Johnny Fuckhead decides it time for target practice, you could end up in deep shit.

Come to the Zona. Come here and get laid. Don't be stupid while here. Be smart, be safe, be nice and have fun.

Country John

How are you CJ?

I 'll be honest, I have been worry a bit about going back to the zona for all the bad news around TJ, so you would honestly believe that tourists are safe inside the zona, and I don't mean zona rio! I know the zona rio is a walk in the park, I know because I have my dentist there, but I read about federales raids at zona bars and hotel rooms that's scary shit for me and enough to keep me out of the game.
I've been surviving on American Pussy for the last 12 months but I missed TJ girls :(
Honestly how safe is to wonder in the zona compared to a year ago?
Thanks again CJ!

Casdmale52
12-17-08, 03:13
How are you CJ?

I 'll be honest, I have been worry a bit about going back to the Zona for all the bad news around Tijuana, so you would honestly believe that tourists are safe inside the Zona, and I don't mean Zona Rio! I know the Zona Rio is a walk in the park, I know because I have my dentist there, but I read about federales raids at zona bars and hotel rooms that's scary shit for me and enough to keep me out of the game. I've been surviving on American Pussy for the last 12 months but I missed Tijuana girls Honestly how safe is to wonder in the zona compared to a year ago?

Thanks again CJ! One year ago I was being robbed by the police heading back to the border. I have been to Tijuana the last 20 weeks without one issue with the police or violence. I have changed my game plan.

Daylight. Walk down from the border

Up to 9 pm: Take the bus for 80p

After 9 pm: Taxi for $3

Arrange a hotel

Fun all night one block from the hotel

Sleep

Back to the border in the morning walking

Night. Drinking and moving around too much can cause problems and don't walk with chica's too far

My thoughts

Wada

Country John
12-17-08, 17:42
How are you CJ?

I 'll be honest, I have been worry a bit about going back to the zona for all the bad news around TJ, so you would honestly believe that tourists are safe inside the zona, and I don't mean zona rio! I know the zona rio is a walk in the park, I know because I have my dentist there, but I read about federales raids at zona bars and hotel rooms that's scary shit for me and enough to keep me out of the game.
I've been surviving on American Pussy for the last 12 months but I missed TJ girls :(
Honestly how safe is to wonder in the zona compared to a year ago?
Thanks again CJ!

I'm fine, thanks for asking. It's been raining hard here in TJ so getting around is almost impossible. I'm staying in bed today.

I would encourage you to come down here, go to the Zona and get laid big-time. Keep in mind that it's Christmas week so a lot of girls have gone home.

As for the crime, I believe the Zona is safe. The bad guys are not going there looking for other bad guys and all of the violence is happening away from that area.

When the cops hit the bars, just co-operate and enjoy the event. They're not there to get you or any other monger. It hasn't happened lately but the fact that it HAS happened several times over the past several months sends a signal to the bad guys that they should not hang out there. If I were a bad guy, I would not take a chance on getting grabbed at a Zona bar incidental to a raid. Narcos don't have to go to the Zona, they get their pussy delivered or they go elsewhere, perhaps to a lower profile venue - all good for mongers.

I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of severed heads turning up in muddy parking lots, and peace be upon those souls, but when you fuck with the bull, you get the horns and these unfortunate people are involved in an occupation that has a very high mortality rate.

The narcos are trying to recover their business that has nothing to do with tourists, putas, the Zona etc. You are "off radar" when it comes to these guys and what they are all about.

All mongers should take their security seriously, just like last year and the year before that. Dodging bullets is as much a problem in the USA as it is here. Nobody has a monopoly on insanity. But your chances of getting between a group of narcos and cops in the Zona are very slim indeed. You have to now that the bars are protected, there is a lot of mordita money there for the cops, the politicians and the mob. As stupid as they are, they know better than to bite the hand that feeds them.

So come on down, get laid, enjoy the Zona like you used to. I wouldn't do it today however, the rain is just too much today.

Country John

Member #4450
12-17-08, 20:51
I'm fine, thanks for asking. It's been raining hard here in TJ so getting around is almost impossible. I'm staying in bed today.

I would encourage you to come down here, go to the Zona and get laid big-time. Keep in mind that it's Christmas week so a lot of girls have gone home.

As for the crime, I believe the Zona is safe. The bad guys are not going there looking for other bad guys and all of the violence is happening away from that area.

When the cops hit the bars, just co-operate and enjoy the event. They're not there to get you or any other monger. It hasn't happened lately but the fact that it HAS happened several times over the past several months sends a signal to the bad guys that they should not hang out there. If I were a bad guy, I would not take a chance on getting grabbed at a Zona bar incidental to a raid. Narcos don't have to go to the Zona, they get their pussy delivered or they go elsewhere, perhaps to a lower profile venue - all good for mongers.

I'm not trying to minimize the seriousness of severed heads turning up in muddy parking lots, and peace be upon those souls, but when you fuck with the bull, you get the horns and these unfortunate people are involved in an occupation that has a very high mortality rate.

The narcos are trying to recover their business that has nothing to do with tourists, putas, the Zona etc. You are "off radar" when it comes to these guys and what they are all about.

All mongers should take their security seriously, just like last year and the year before that. Dodging bullets is as much a problem in the USA as it is here. Nobody has a monopoly on insanity. But your chances of getting between a group of narcos and cops in the Zona are very slim indeed. You have to now that the bars are protected, there is a lot of mordita money there for the cops, the politicians and the mob. As stupid as they are, they know better than to bite the hand that feeds them.

So come on down, get laid, enjoy the Zona like you used to. I wouldn't do it today however, the rain is just too much today.

Country John
No one I mean no one can explain it better than CJ!
You're the Man!!! Thank YOU!
By the way be careful, when rains in TJ it can get very ugly I mean get yourself a Kayak, VHS radio and a PFD fast LOL :D

Imahustlababy
12-22-08, 20:29
Thank you all for your advice on affordable and safer hotels in the zona & near. I’ll definitely post a detailed trip report and whatever i can give back. Btw, if anyone needs this, found this great link that has both bus 992 and the Trolley maps and schedules in 1 place:

http://www.sdmts.com/map_timetable.asp

I’m thinking of staying a few nights at a zona hotel, and then instead maybe buying a 1 or 2 Toda La Nochas at AB - whatever minimizes the cost of fucking many quality girls 1/2 – 1 hour each :)

Couple more qs to the community:

1. Searched for a steel mesh online for a backpack – costly, more like $70. In which zona hotels, can I trust the staff not to steal my stuff? Leyva, Cascades, Hacienda de Santiago, the Adelita’s hotel for TLN (!)

I’m only bringing a small backpack and will have all my valuables on me + rely on ATM card more. I’d chuck the backpack under the bed if that could help? :)

Btw, there’s a nice video of a Hacienda de Santiago room ($30-40?), but I’d go for something less expensive, if safe (!).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4292951534307424638

2. Is there any benefit to reserving a hotel room ahead of time as opposed to a walk-in? I'll be there mid-january, which i think is a low season + economy’s hurting travel. So, wouldn’t expect problems with room availability, but do they normally charge higher prices for walk-ins?

3. Does the border control or TJ authorities/courts/etc require original passport or will the Drivers License and the Passport zerox copy suffice?

4. Does anyone know a place to buy a long umbrella in TJ?

Cheers!

Country John
12-23-08, 01:18
Thank you all for your advice on affordable and safer hotels in the zona & near. I’ll definitely post a detailed trip report and whatever i can give back. Btw, if anyone needs this, found this great link that has both bus 992 and the Trolley maps and schedules in 1 place:

http://www.sdmts.com/map_timetable.asp

I’m thinking of staying a few nights at a zona hotel, and then instead maybe buying a 1 or 2 Toda La Nochas at AB - whatever minimizes the cost of fucking many quality girls 1/2 – 1 hour each :)

Couple more qs to the community:

1. Searched for a steel mesh online for a backpack – costly, more like $70. In which zona hotels, can I trust the staff not to steal my stuff? Leyva, Cascades, Hacienda de Santiago, the Adelita’s hotel for TLN (!)

I’m only bringing a small backpack and will have all my valuables on me + rely on ATM card more. I’d chuck the backpack under the bed if that could help? :)


If your passport and other valuables are worth more to you than $70, then I suggest you buy the bag. TJ is a place where you love everyone but trust no one. Believe me, the LAST thing you need is have your stuff ripped. Buy the bag, you'll be glad you did



2. Is there any benefit to reserving a hotel room ahead of time as opposed to a walk-in? I'll be there mid-january, which i think is a low season + economy’s hurting travel. So, wouldn’t expect problems with room availability, but do they normally charge higher prices for walk-ins?


No. The only time I would "reserve" a room is with a Hilton. IN the Zona, it's "first cum first served." Never give credit card or ATM info out to anyone in Mexico for any reason.


3. Does the border control or TJ authorities/courts/etc require original passport or will the Drivers License and the Passport zerox copy suffice?
Best thing to do is get a "state ID card" (like in California) and carry that. It will have your drivers license number etc and is considered a valid ID, you will need your original passport to get back State-side however -a copy will not work. If you have no time to do that, just carry your drivers license and leave your passport etc in your STEEL MESH BAG.

The authorities in Mexico will require an original valid ID.



4. Does anyone know a place to buy a long umbrella in TJ?


You can get them anywhere, especially on the street if it is raining when you get here. Bring waterproof footwear, and bring clothing suitable for temperatures in the low '40s. It gets cold here at night and during the day when the weather is bad.

Country John

Member #4450
12-23-08, 01:35
If your passport and other valuables are worth more to you than $70, then I suggest you buy the bag.
Country John
I'm lost here, what bag?
How good a bag can be if someone runs with it?
Steel mesh bag?
Going diving with sharks?

Imahustlababy
12-23-08, 03:18
I'm lost here, what bag?

How good a bag can be if someone runs with it?

Steel mesh bag?

Going diving with sharks?Lol, yea, sharks would be the staff at a Tijuana hotel, looks like. The idea is to chain the steel mesh bag with all belongings in it to a pipe or part of a steel bed frame, etc.

CJ has a good point. For example, if I do a TLN at the AB hotel, who knows if a cum boy or someone gonna steal all the sh%t left in the room, even non-valuables. Of course, I'd carry the passport, cash, everything valuable on me. I figure the steel bag can still be cut with some hardcore pliers like the cops in the states use or a steel-cutting saw. LOL, and on the other hand, the downside of any locked down sh%t. They might think the contents are valuables. If the hotel staff tips cops about money left in a locker, might as well tip them on a suspicious package in a steel mesh

Other opinions are welcome. How do others safeguard their stuff at a zona hotel? Anyone did a TLN at AB hotel and left the room with their stuff left in there?

Member #4450
12-23-08, 06:55
Other opinions are welcome. How do others safeguard their stuff at a zona hotel? Anyone did a TLN at AB hotel and left the room with their stuff left in there?
A TLN at AB?
Keep in mind there's no TV in the regular rooms, so if your gonna stay with the girl all the time in the room you better think what you going to do between pops?
I say don't take valuables to TJ your cash and passport shouldn't be difficult to hide, put the cash inside the passport and then in your trousers when you go to sleep.
Never leave your wallet away from you when taking a shower, make sure the girl is gone before getting in the shower.
Why a TLN at AB? you can just go downstairs and grab another girl and not worrying about getting your stuff stolen.
A TLN fom a AB girl starts @$350 +/- for 6 hours max and service can be bad if you never been with the girl before, she will ask for the money up front.
IMHO AB girls are not good for TLN.

Efjayel
12-23-08, 07:59
The hotels they use for Hong Kong have tv's. But I've only seen porn on them, don't know if they show regular T.V.

As for TLN, I doubt many girls at AB will allow it. They'll mostly do it if they know you well enough. Meaning repeat customer and that they feel comfortable with you.

Otherwise money talks. If you offer enough, I'm sure any girl will do a TLN. Now wether it turns out be good is a hit or miss. I wouldn't recommend a TLN with a girl you don't know. It's best to get to know a few girls or one girl, so when you do the TLN, you'll know what to expect.

Sgt Perv
12-23-08, 11:00
I am considering getting me a new style of backpack for TJ.

Not so much that I am scared but it would be great insurance just in case I was to got caught in a bad situation.

I figure I already take a back pack with me anyways, so why not have it help protect me.

I realize even if it stops or greatly slows the round down, it is going to hurt like hell but it better then nothing.

What do you men think ?

http://backpacksheild.com/

Imahustlababy
12-23-08, 17:23
Thank you all for your responses. I'm planning TLN for the room, but several girls 1/2-1hr each. I'll spend most of my time chatting with chicas downstairs and bargaining for good sessions, some reading, etc.. I personally dislike TV anyway. Especially when chicas really Need to have it on during a session, so if a TV is not in the room it's a plus for me

For those of you who understand Zona Norte sub-culture well. For a multi-day trip, I’d only leave the non-valuables in the hotel room, when i’m not there – some cheap clothes I can part with and hygiene items.

Steel mesh bag around your stuff & chained to a pipe in your hotel room:

A) will help deter hotel cleaners from stealing the non-valuables in it

B) might cause hotel staff tip the police

C) the crafty mexicans will think there's gold inside and cut it up with a steel-cutting saw or those big-ass pliers.

D) Any of the above could happen, who the fuck knows. Don't bother with the steel mesh bag. If they steal the clothes and hygiene items in the backpack, just buy new ones in Tijuana. Pain in the butt, but not the end of the trip fun and fucking.

Here's an example of that steel mesh bag:

http://www0. Shopping.com/xPO-Pacsafe-Pacsafe-Pacsafe-120

Would love to receive some intelligent, respectful responses – especially like CJ’s.

Cheers!

Imahustlababy
12-23-08, 17:34
Sp, would you have it with you when you're sitting on a bar stool?

Does the bar staff allow bags in Tijuana? (often not allowed in my home town).

If so. And also relating to the steel mesh bag discussion, perhaps carrying all your stuff with you in a small backpack is the safest thing, rather than leaving it in your hotel room?


I am considering getting me a new style of backpack for TJ.

Not so much that I am scared but it would be great insurance just in case I was to got caught in a bad situation.

I figure I already take a back pack with me anyways, so why not have it help protect me.

I realize even if it stops or greatly slows the round down, it is going to hurt like hell but it better then nothing.

What do you men think ?

http://backpacksheild.com/

Toadtamer2
12-23-08, 18:45
Carrying around a backpack in TJ is like saying "I got something valuable in here, try and take it". You are putting a target on your back!! Ya better wear a helmet as well.

Country John
12-23-08, 20:41
I am considering getting me a new style of backpack for TJ.

Not so much that I am scared but it would be great insurance just in case I was to got caught in a bad situation.

I figure I already take a back pack with me anyways, so why not have it help protect me.

I realize even if it stops or greatly slows the round down, it is going to hurt like hell but it better then nothing.

What do you men think ?

http://backpacksheild.com/

Bulletproof does not mean "knife proof." Rateros will cut the bag open, not shoot it apart. Buy a mesh bag.

Sgt Perv
12-23-08, 21:41
Bulletproof does not mean "knife proof." Rateros will cut the bag open, not shoot it apart. Buy a mesh bag.I understand the bag would be useless left in a room lol.

I was talking about when I was walking around TJ and some sh*t broke out.
I could also get a steel mesh bag ($70) , carry it in(lining) the backpack ($160) while shoppng , then put the backpack in the mesh bag chain to a pipe when I leave it in a room.

I think (imho) I am worth a $230 investment.

Of course I would use it in most of my travels ( line the inside of backpack with steel mesh) because backpacks are easier then a carry on suitcase.

Efjayel
12-24-08, 06:27
Lets see you get though airport metal detectors with a bullet proof bag. It should start up an interesting conversation as to why there is a bulk flat piece of iron in your backpack. Not to mention the excess weight.

But in the plus side, when you swing it over your back to carry it, you might knock someone out.

Member #4450
12-24-08, 06:38
I only take a double plastic bag with the rubbers, socks, deodorant and clean underwear the money and passport in my pant's pockets, those big backpacks bring a lot of attention and makes you look like a geek tourist in IHMO

Sgt Perv
12-24-08, 07:35
I need a couple changes of clothes too.

I like staying for a few days at a time.

The mesh bag is not that heavy less than the weight of a pair of jeans ( they are steel mesh not steel link bags).

Not worried about airports, it just a mesh bag (I might go diving).

No pack in the zona but while shopping , I do not care what it looks like as long as I do not ACT like a geek tourist.

I do get other items in Mexico besides chicas .lol

I love looking around during the day time

Country John
12-24-08, 18:13
I understand the bag would be useless left in a room lol.

I was talking about when I was walking around TJ and some sh*t broke out.
I could also get a steel mesh bag ($70) , carry it in(lining) the backpack ($160) while shoppng , then put the backpack in the mesh bag chain to a pipe when I leave it in a room.

I think (imho) I am worth a $230 investment.

Of course I would use it in most of my travels ( line the inside of backpack with steel mesh) because backpacks are easier then a carry on suitcase.

Quite right. Nothing wrong with carrying a bullet proof anything in TJ. Same is true State-side.

Be careful bringing anything bullet-proof into Mexico however. Stay away from things like (or that look like) bullet proof vests etc. Law enforcement here does not have a sense of humor at all. If you could get some bullet proof vest PANELS off ebay and line your bag with it, then that would be ideal.

Kevlar pants are interesting, http://cgi.ebay.com/Kevlar-Jeans-Size-34-Black_W0QQitemZ200289069654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Clothing_Merchandise_Media?hash=item200289069654&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Then you might consider buying just the fabric and lining your favorite jacket: http://cgi.ebay.com/KEVLAR-FABRIC-2-Yards-BULLET-RESISTANT-MATERIAL_W0QQitemZ250250768787QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

There's NOTHING wrong with being prepared and cautious here and in the USA. I have my favorite leather jacket of all time lined with kevlar. Since the ammo of choice here seems to be 7.62mm, don't count on the kevlar to protect you from that. The best you could handle could be .25, .38, .357, .45 type fire.

Look, if you and several others got trapped and caught up in some cross fire at the MacDonalds in your town, you would probably survive the attack if you wore body armor and had some distance between you and the bad guys, or had another sort of primary cover. I would encourage you to make the investment anyways. Always work to keep the odds in your favor.

The mesh bag will light up the scanners at the airport, but fuck'em. Let them get to the other side of it on their own. Just answer their questions and let them drift towards the only obvious conclusion.

You are certainly worth the investment.

Country John

Sgt Perv
12-24-08, 20:41
I am talking just a little extra help.

Yes a direct hit from a 7.62 round it would be useless but if I am behind a car (7.62 will tear one up) and have the shield between the car and me...then maybe I will not be hurt so bad.

Common sense and keeping your head on a swivel are my best tools.

I am talking TJ not a certified war zone.

No need for complete body armor.

I will have it in my car in the US.

I have always felt safer in TJ than I have in a lot of US cities that is for sure.
I do not mean this shield as a slam on TJ.

I am thinking the shield is a great travel buddy anywhere you would have a bag , suitcase or computer case.

Actually, the backpack idea is being marketed in the US for University students on their own US campuses lol

Imahustlababy
12-26-08, 16:54
Anybody wants to tackle this multiple-choice question? lol


For those of you who understand Zona Norte sub-culture well. For a multi-day trip, I’d only leave the non-valuables in the hotel room, when i’m not there – some cheap clothes I can part with and hygiene items.

Steel mesh bag around your stuff & chained to a pipe in your hotel room:

A) will help deter hotel cleaners from stealing the non-valuables in it

B) might cause hotel staff tip the police

C) the crafty mexicans will think there's gold inside and cut it up with a steel-cutting saw or those big-ass pliers.

D) Any of the above could happen, who the fuck knows. Don't bother with the steel mesh bag. If they steal the clothes and hygiene items in the backpack, just buy new ones in Tijuana. Pain in the butt, but not the end of the trip fun and fucking.

Here's an example of that steel mesh bag:

http://www0. Shopping.com/xPO-Pacsafe-Pacsafe-Pacsafe-120

Would love to receive some intelligent, respectful responses – especially like CJ’s.

Cheers!

Country John
12-31-08, 19:26
Anybody wants to tackle this multiple-choice question? lol



Originally Posted by Imahustlababy
For those of you who understand Zona Norte sub-culture well. For a multi-day trip, I’d only leave the non-valuables in the hotel room, when i’m not there – some cheap clothes I can part with and hygiene items.

Steel mesh bag around your stuff & chained to a pipe in your hotel room:

A) will help deter hotel cleaners from stealing the non-valuables in it

B) might cause hotel staff tip the police

C) the crafty mexicans will think there's gold inside and cut it up with a steel-cutting saw or those big-ass pliers.

D) Any of the above could happen, who the fuck knows. Don't bother with the steel mesh bag. If they steal the clothes and hygiene items in the backpack, just buy new ones in Tijuana. Pain in the butt, but not the end of the trip fun and fucking.

Here's an example of that steel mesh bag:

http://www0. Shopping.com/xPO-Pacsa...afe-Pacsafe-120

Would love to receive some intelligent, respectful responses – especially like CJ’s.

Cheers!

Let me try to be of further assistance:

Steel mesh bag around your stuff & chained to a pipe in your hotel room:

A) will help deter hotel cleaners from stealing the non-valuables in it

Yes, especially if it is locked and secured to an immovable object.

B) might cause hotel staff tip the police

There is no law against having a steel mesh bag in Mexico, so you have nothing to worry about there.

C) the crafty mexicans will think there's gold inside and cut it up with a steel-cutting saw or those big-ass pliers.

Anything is possible. Some people will steal they eyes out of your head and then come back for the holes. My message to you and everyone else here is that you should do everything you can to "keep the odds in your favor." Not only in Tijuana's Zona Norte, but in life anywhere.

A steel mesh bag secured to an immovable object is better than a canvas bag left in the middle of the floor.

Carrying a State-issued ID in Tijuana is better than carrying your drivers license, unless you are, in fact, driving at the time.

Buying Mexican insurance is better than no insurance if you are driving in Mexico.

See? Just a matter of doing everything you can to keep the odds of harm coming to you as far away as possible.

NOW: if I were you, I would put the Pacsafe mesh INSIDE the bag, not on the outside. Cur a slot in the back of the bag to pass your lock through. This way, the bad guy doesn't see the pacsafe ad from the hallway!

D) Any of the above could happen, who the fuck knows. Don't bother with the steel mesh bag. If they steal the clothes and hygiene items in the backpack, just buy new ones in Tijuana. Pain in the butt, but not the end of the trip fun and fucking.

Yes, but that's not what we started talking about. We started out talking about "Valuables."

Personal hygiene items are popular with the walkers. Disposable pussy razors are cheap at Big-Lots. Buy a bag of pink one's as "throw aways."

Looks like I'm going to have to publish my Zona Survival kit here sometime!!

Country John

Member #4450
12-31-08, 22:47
IMHO,
The less you have on you, the better!
Why looking to get attention, if you need to carry brinks Armour to go to TJ
might as well stay home.
Again if your not doing any diving with the great white shark no need any steel mesh LOL!


Sgt Perv Yes a direct hit from a 7.62 round it would be useless but if I am behind a car (7.62 will tear one up) and have the shield between the car and me...then maybe I will not be hurt so bad.
You mean 7.62x51mm or 7.62x63mm :D

B Dulles
01-02-09, 09:30
While watching the TV today, saw an interesting story on TJ, crime and a partnership with San Diego PD. Anyway, they mentioned in the report how one reporter plotted all the murders in TJ on a map. I caught a quick glance at the screen and saw Google maps, so off I went searching.

Anyway, after some lengthy searching I found it. Suprisingly, there is a wide berth around la zona, Revolucion, etc from where murders have taken place. Violence appears concentrated to the east part of the city.

See for yourself:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114250687465160386813.00045a5d345c4332f5d29&z=11

Also, there was more info and maps at:

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Seeing as the info is through 11/2008, it is current. I feel better knowing that the violence we all hear about is not happening in the zone.

Sgt Perv
01-02-09, 21:58
IMHO,

The less you have on you, the better!

Why looking to get attention, if you need to carry brinks Armour to go to TJ
might as well stay home.

Again if your not doing any diving with the great white shark no need any steel mesh.
LOL!


You mean 7.62x51mm or 7.62x63mm :DI have no fear of TJ but I do have respect for what is happening.

A backpack in the tourist area is common and a shield inside it is not noticeable.
Like CJ says I am just keeping the odds more in my favor.

If I thought I was really going to need it, I simply would not go in the first place.
Oh, either round I would be hurting [7.62x51mm nato round ( AK47) or 7.62x63mm high powered game rounds (I do not think they use unless they are sniping)].

Member #4450
01-03-09, 22:07
More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?

Country John
01-05-09, 18:42
More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?

Yes, the numbers are right.

If the narcos opened up on the civilian population or on the the toruist population, you must agree that the fallout from that would be enormous.

Even the stupid narcos know that if the civilian population gets into the act of eliminating them, if they turn against them in their actions then it's over for sure. If there is a tourist slaughter, the entire effort will get kicked up several notches and who knows what involvement the American government would have.

Mexico is another country of course, but when things regress to a point where the narcos are engaged in terrorist tactics against the civilian population, the governments of Mexico and the USA would come together in a way never seen before. Right now, it's strictly a "domestic issue" as far as the actual killings are concerned, although there have been some incidents state-side directly related to narco activities in Mexico. The trafficing issue spills over into the USA in a big way.

California Guy
01-06-09, 11:38
More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?

this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

Smut Villain
01-07-09, 05:02
this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!
I'm not surprised at all. Look at it this way: despite the rise in prices over the past few years (I remember when you could get an AB girl for $40+room), the going price for some stunner from Hottie Central is still 7 to 10 times less than what you'd pay for a provider of similar quality in most places on the other side of the border.

Besides, even a sour economy like ours doesn't override the fact that guys still have "needs" to be taken care of. I'd much rather pay $70 in Zona Norte than $300-$700+ in the U.S. (even though I still think $70 is more than I'd want to pay). That, plus getting a BBBJCIM from a bargirl isn't going to get me thrown in the slammer like it will in the States.

Country John
01-07-09, 20:07
I'm not surprised at all. Look at it this way: despite the rise in prices over the past few years (I remember when you could get an AB girl for $40+room), the going price for some stunner from Hottie Central is still 7 to 10 times less than what you'd pay for a provider of similar quality in most places on the other side of the border.

Besides, even a sour economy like ours doesn't override the fact that guys still have "needs" to be taken care of. I'd much rather pay $70 in Zona Norte than $300-$700+ in the U.S. (even though I still think $70 is more than I'd want to pay). That, plus getting a BBBJCIM from a bargirl isn't going to get me thrown in the slammer like it will in the States.

Despite the goings-on here in TJ, sex sells. I think it along with the mortuary business are sure bets in any economy.

Personal security is important. I'll post the name and number of a certified safe Taxi Libre driver for those of you who want that extra margin of safety. I have no connection financially to Taxi Libre and no interest in the profits therefrom.

TJ is a dangerous place if you are trying to set up a trade route for smuggling dope into the USA, or if you are in law enforcement here. It's always had it's margin of danger in the "crooksville" known as the Zona Norte, but they are still a LONG want from opening fire on the hands that feed them.

Country John

Efjayel
01-09-09, 06:49
this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

It's NOT that bad. Far as I know, none of the killings have been in the zona nor monger related. They're all being commited within the drug cartels and law enforcement. They have no reason to target civilians or tourists, and especially in a crowded area like the Zona.

Reinaldo
01-09-09, 06:57
It's NOT that bad. Far as I know, none of the killings have been in the zona nor monger related. They're all being commited within the drug cartels and law enforcement. They have no reason to target civilians or tourists, and especially in a crowded area like the Zona.

While the cartels are not targeting civilians not involved in the drug trade a number of innocents have died from stray bullets.

Country John
01-09-09, 22:32
While the cartels are not targeting civilians not involved in the drug trade a number of innocents have died from stray bullets.

This is a true statement, but the shootings are not "random." IN the USA, many of the shootings ARE random, and that frightens the shit out of me.

The Zona is about as safe a place you can go these days....seriously.

Country John
01-14-09, 18:53
Here's an alert based on following the police arrest reports here in TJ as well as scanning a few other reports:

DO NOT VISIT AN ATM MACHINE ALONE.

HAVE SOMEONE WITH YOU WHO CAN KEEP PRYING EYES (OR PEOPLE WITH CEL PHONE CAMERAS) AWAY FROM THE MACHINE WHILE YOU ARE USING IT.

HERE IS THE SCAM:

You enter an ATM machine to get money to fuck your favorita, the guy waiting behind you or to one side appears to be using his cel phone. He is actually running a video of you entering your pin. You exit with your cash, you get rolled for your cash and your atm card.

Also, NEVER permit anyone to "assist you" with your transaction. The ATM machines in TJ might be a bit slower than stateside soyou might get the idea that there is a problem when there ain't one. Bubba knows this and offers to "help" you. Bubba has a hundred old ATM cards in his pocket one one looks just like yours. after he "helps" you he switches cards and you end up witha card belonging to some old lady.

It's an old scam, but these guys are back in busines and are apparetnly more agressive.

NEVER GO TO THE ATM ALONE, NEVER PERMIT ANYONE TO GET CLOSE OR "ASSIST" YOU.

Efjayel
01-14-09, 19:14
I wouldn't trust using my ATM in mexico anyways. I've seen how people device ways to steal your card without ever touching it. Like implanting a scanner on the machine that reads your card when you insert it, then a camera that records you entering your pin. After reading your card, they'll use a card copier on a writable magnetic card like the kind they have at hotels. Then they can go to any ATM insert their fake copy of your ATM card and be able to take out money. And this scam is done a lot in the US.

I always make sure to take enough money when I visit Tj.

Precocious One
01-14-09, 23:50
My ATM card got hit when I was living in Monterrey, MX. A total pain in the ass as they would not mail the replacement card to my Monterrey apartment but only to my address on file in the U.S. Fortunately, I had someone picking up my mail for me so it was not a problem other than a time inconvenience.

I used to be careless when entering my PIN and I believe that it was somehow recorded on camera(I only used one particular Banamex Bank ATM). From that point on, I always covered my hand and the keyboard (with paper) when entering the PIN and never had a problem, thereafter. I have probably used it in excess of 40 more times with this particular technique since the original incident occured.

Also, make sure that you call your CC company if you are planning on using your card while in MX. My Chase had an automatic fraud prevention that would not allow its use unless notified beforehand.

Member #4450
01-20-09, 22:21
I always use Banamex ATMs or a Supermarket, stay away from those small all glass boot in some corner street, don't trust anyone but yourself and don't ask
for help either at the atm, it is safer if you look for a bank atm like Banamex etc,
or some shopping center outside the zona of tolerance.

B Dulles
02-02-09, 05:07
this is amazing. I didn't realize it was that bad! I haven't been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad! There were over 300 murders in LA County last year alone. One guy was killed in his car, in his drive at 8am about 2 blocks from me. And, I live in "one of the top ten safest cities in the US with a population over 100, 000.

Now, that's scary. I was just in the zone. It is scary because it it different. Keep your wits, read the advice of others here and you will be fine.

Pablito Diablito
02-07-09, 04:13
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/06/bn6sailors165034-sailors-charges/?zIndex=49284

WTF?

Who are these two *******es and WTF.

I can only imagine that they were strung out on crystal.

Efjayel
02-08-09, 00:04
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/06/bn6sailors165034-sailors-charges/?zIndex=49284

WTF?

Who are these two *******es and WTF.

I can only imagine that they were strung out on crystal.

Well i'm not a sailor nor in the military so I doubt the girls will be afraid of me. But I certainly hope these a-holes get kicked out of the navy for what they did. And I hope they got butt rammed at the TJ jails. If they where high on anything, which is likely and they find it on their system, it's automatic dishonorable discharge from the Navy.

I'll ask about this incident the next time I visit so I can get the details. Unless Country Juan can fill us in as to the exact bar/hotel and girls this happened to.

Sgt Perv
02-08-09, 04:00
Well i'm not a sailor nor in the military so I doubt the girls will be afraid of me. But I certainly hope these a-holes get kicked out of the navy for what they did. And I hope they got butt rammed at the TJ jails. If they where high on anything, which is likely and they find it on their system, it's automatic dishonorable discharge from the Navy.

I'll ask about this incident the next time I visit so I can get the details. Unless Country Juan can fill us in as to the exact bar/hotel and girls this happened to.Being prior service I can give you a small insight of what they could be in for.

First Mexico will have their way with them, then US government will charge them for committing crimes in a country that has ties to the US.

Then the real problem comes with the US Navy. Regardless of what the others do to them ( no double jeopardy law for military), the Navy with take them to their trial [UCMJ ( Uniform Code of Military Justice)is no joke].

After they complete any brig time imposed they will be discharged.

In short, they are more screwed than if they where a civilian.

Efjayel
02-09-09, 10:52
Cool, glad to hear they will get kicked out and have a military criminal record that they will carry for the rest of their lives.

I contacted one of my regulars, she told me the two girls that where attacked where Street girls not bar girls and that the attackers where Americans. Think I felt a tone of resentment from her probably because I am also an American. It's these kind of guys that are ruining things for the rest of us.

It's bad enough the life of the these two girls led them into a life of prostitution, they also have to put up with psychotic mongers. What they fear most. I'm pretty sure they'll be too scared to continue the life. Now what are they going to do to make a living?

I certainly hope those two guys get more than they deserve.

Sgt Perv
02-09-09, 19:57
Yes they will pay dearly,but they do have some advantage.

First they will have a JAG (Judge Advocate General) lawyer for defense.

Second their human right will be monitored by the US Navy.

Mexico will be held accountable for their treatment (human rights)which is for the most part political but better than a regular US citizen.

In turn, those two will pay the price (if guilty) for getting the US Navy involved.
For me, I would not want to be in a Mexican jail without a military over watch but I sure as hell would not want to pay their price ( military does have and can use hard labor in their brig time).

The Sailors actions have affected other military personal as well. I am sure that 'trips' across the border have been declared off limits for a while to prevent any type of retaliations from either side.

This will affect the income for chicas and merchants of TJ.

Before even a trial their actions will affect many.

Hargow20
02-10-09, 06:53
These guys deserve a long sentence. I wonder how long...?

Sgt Perv
02-10-09, 07:56
These guys deserve a long sentence. I wonder how long...?At least wait to find out what really happen, not sentence them for what they are accused of.

How do you know they were not being robbed or were attacked first ?

I know my first trip to TJ when I was with the military I got drugged one night and almost mugged another (see http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5421&page=4&pp=15 report 26 also read report 24).

If you believe you have it hard in TJ being an American , it is nothing compared to being American military.

I always tell the guys to try to hide they are military unless they get in serious trouble.

As for as amount of time to serve....worst case for them could be for them to do Mexico's time ,then do US governments time and finally do Military time.

Best case for them would be if Mexico and US government turn them over to Navy and they just did that time.

If guilty, they are screwed.

Efjayel
02-10-09, 21:46
I know my first trip to TJ when I was with the military I got drugged one night and almost mugged another (see http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5421&page=4&pp=15 report 26 also read report 24).


I just read post 24, do you remember the name of the bar that drugged you? It's a good thing I only order bottled water. But I if they really wanted to, they can tamper with that too I supose. By the way, how do you do that hand wrist twist thing? I've seen it been done before but don't know how to do it. I bet you learned that in the military. Is there a name for it so I can google it? Never know when one might need to know such a move. :)

Post 26, I remember reading that before on these forums. Sucks that his double bbbj party was crashed and he didn't even get to finish. Bad luck is bound to happen at some point. I think he's lucky. Thing's could have gotten a lot worse.

Sgt Perv
02-11-09, 01:34
I just read post 24, do you remember the name of the bar that drugged you?What I remember was that it was next to or close to Adelita Bar. If you were to come out of Adelita and go left about 2-3 blocks, that is the area I "woke up" and at the time was not well lit. That was my first trip, no map and no one to tell me anything. Pure luck and instinct got me to the zona.

The wrist thing? No not the military, they favor teaching how to kill over wounding and disabling. Look up Aikido. A lot of great wrist and joint lock techniques. I studied Hapkido as a teen.

You said you read 24. If that had happen to me I might have attacked to gain advantage before he could get orientated.

So do not judge those sailors before all the facts are in.

Hargow20
02-11-09, 02:17
I would like to think they are innocent, but I have my doubts. The clubs have their own security and I doubt they would set someone up. They have enough problems and don't need any more trouble. But these poor guys are deep trouble in any case. Mexico will probably try and make a example of them. This is not to mention their military problems.

Sgt Perv
02-11-09, 03:29
I would like to think they are innocent, but I have my doubts. The clubs have their own security and I doubt they would set someone up. They have enough problems and don't need any more trouble. But these poor guys are deep trouble in any case. Mexico will probably try and make a example of them. This is not to mention their military problems.Having doubts is understandable.

If it happened with club chicas and hotels I would have a lot.

If it was with street girls and non club hotel I would have less doubts.

Example? They are not the first and will not be the last US military personnel to get in trouble in Mexico.

You mix alcohol, women and young men (high testosterone levels) there is going to be trouble sometime anywhere.

Good thing or bad thing, depending on how you look at it, is if one gets in a fight his buddy will make sure he does not get hurt to bad.

Sgt Perv
02-11-09, 03:54
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/sailors_jailed_in_mexico/23463/ and http://www.10news.com/newsarchive/18677087/detail.html#-

Sgt Perv
02-11-09, 09:50
After watching http://www.10news.com/newsarchive/18677087/detail.html#.

I feel betrayed by those Sailors.

The "two men arrested in Tijuana attack"video is an eye opener.

What the hell were they even doing have those type knives in TJ.

I wish the best for that hotel man and those sisters.

I am bias toward military personnel, but damn!

Efjayel
02-11-09, 11:24
Thanks for the links. But I read this part...

"Tijuana TV station XEWT captured video of Dockery and Monzingo arrested by Tijuana police, with one of the men smiling as cameras rolled."


This reminds me when I was once dispatched to the main ghetto area around Compton/Watts. I was driving down a street near a school, got halted by traffic. When I reached the cause of the traffic, it was a police arresting a teen. A real hardcore hispanic gangster guy. You know the type, buzz cut, mustache, small beard, baggy clothes, gang tattoos all over his body, face of a person who's obviously lived a hard life. The cop already had him up against the hood of his patrol car, putting the hand cuffs on slamming him to the hood. The cop was frustated and at the same time yelling. He mentioned "jail," and that "this is no laughing matter!" But I clearly remember looking at the teen and seeing a huge grin on his face. Obviously getting a kick out of being arrested, like it was a rite of passage.

I was glad he was getting arrested for whatever reason it was. But could not help but think what a sick mind he must have to smile while being arrested after clearly having done some misdeed.

If these Navy guys are innocent for whatever the cause, I really doubt they would be smiling while being arrested.

Country John
02-11-09, 16:16
These poor bastards are "cooling" their jets in La Mesa prison where they will be for probably at least 2 years BEFORE their case is heard by a judge. The DA will take his sweet ass time putting "all the facts" together.

There comes a point in life where, when you are doing something, the "right" or "wrong" flag pops up. If the "wrong" flag pops up and you ignore it, then IMHO you step over the line and do things that you know are contrary to what the human race is prepared to accept. Then you pay.

I have NO sympathy for any guy who would pull a knife on a girl. They should get the full measure of Mexican justice, and they should pay for almost killing these people. Five to seven years just for sentencing is a price in itself, and I think the sentence will be crushing.

This just in:
Two sailors also charged in killing of prostitute


TIJUANA — Two Coronado sailors who were accused last week of stabbing two people and choking a third are now being charged in the killing of a Mexican prostitute last month.

Petty Officer Second Class Joshua Dockery, 27, and Petty Officer Third Class Jarrett Monzingo, 22, were charged yesterday by the Baja California Attorney General's Office in the killing of Mayte Victoria Delgado Flores on Jan. 17.

That night, the two sailors were seen entering a room with the victim at a hotel in Tijuana, the Attorney General's Office said.

Both men were arrested Thursday after a separate incident in the city's Zona Norte, where police said they they had been in the company of two prostitutes. A municipal police report stated that one of the women was choked, and the second woman and a hotel employee were stabbed.


The men are being held at La Mesa State Penitentiary. –S.D.

It's over for these boys. Fuck. Welcome to Mexico, sailors.
Here is the kink - no more text than above story. (http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/11/two-sailors-also-charged-killing-prostitute/?zIndex=51418)

Pablito Diablito
02-11-09, 16:56
At least wait to find out what really happen, not sentence them for what they are accused of.

How do you know they were not being robbed or were attacked first?Dude stabbed a chick. Getting robbed sucks, but a simple ***** slap would suffice. Attempting to end the life of a chick, one that these two could simply overpower, is in my definition, F*CKED UP

Sgt Perv
02-11-09, 22:27
TIJUANA, Mexico - Two U.S. sailors have been charged with the murder of a prostitute and the attempted murder of another in this northern border city, Mexican state prosecutors said.

Witnesses and a hotel camera place the two men at the same hotel where a 19-year-old prostitute was smothered to death on Jan. 17, the prosecutors said Tuesday.

On Feb. 4, prosecutors say, police found the men in a bloodstained hotel room with a prostitute and a hotel employee, both of whom had suffered stab wounds.

The sailors were taken into custody and charged with attempted murder. Authorities say they later found evidence linking them to the January killing.

A U.S. Navy statement on Wednesday said that Jarrett Monzingo and Joshua Dockery, active-duty petty officers assigned to the San Diego area, face murder and attempted-murder charges in the death of a Mexican citizen and are being held at La Mesa Prison in Tijuana.

The statement did not elaborate on the alleged crime but said that the Navy has hired Mexican lawyers to represent the petty officers.

http://www.startribune.com/world/39445867.html

Sgt Perv
02-12-09, 05:03
Dude stabbed a chick. Getting robbed sucks, but a simple ***** slap would suffice. Attempting to end the life of a chick, one that these two could simply overpower, is in my definition, F*CKED UPAll life has value and the taking of it is f*cked up. We as a society consider it more f*cked up if the victims are women or children. This is seen by most people talking about the chica and not the male victim who was also injured.

After seeing that these punks are link to another murder of a chica in Mexico, I am hoping there are not more female victim in other countries that either one has visited on a port of call.

I am truly happy that they are caught. To return to an area 3 weeks after a previous attack and attack again sounds like a hunting trip.

I initially was hoping this was not true but now, as more facts coming out, I feel they are a disgrace to the USA, Navy and themselves.

Locoaztec14
02-12-09, 06:42
Yup, both these boys are going to get manhandled in a Mexican Prison.

They are so screwed.

Efjayel
02-12-09, 08:01
Well, they're definitely done for now. But I don't remember hearing about a chica being killed recently. How did I miss that? Smothered? Like pillow over her face until suffocation?

Anyone got a link on that?

Hargow20
02-14-09, 21:18
Warning: Banditos strike again
(http://usasexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=767676 )

There was a recent report in the USAsexguide that a attempted mugging took place in the Zona norte in broad daylight. It's a little surprising considering that the cops are around. So watch out all.

Sgt Perv
02-15-09, 22:47
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29210253/

A prostitute in Tijuana says she has no idea why she and her sister, also a prostitute, were attacked by two men they had just had sex with, according to a published report.

"They didn't give us any reason to mistrust them," the 24-year-old woman told the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Two U.S. sailors have been charged with the murder and the attempted murder of the prostitutes in Tijuana.

Mexican state prosecutors say witnesses and a hotel camera place the two men at the same hotel where the 19-year-old prostitute was smothered on Jan. 17.

On Feb. 4, prosecutors say, police found the men in a bloodstained hotel room with the sisters, both of whom had suffered stab wounds.

The woman told the paper that one of the men made the arrangements. "He wanted us to be in the same room, but I told them that we were sisters and we didn't work that way," said said.

After having sex with the man, she told the paper that she heard a noise coming from the next room where her sister was. When she asked what happened, the man pulled out a knife and started stabbing her, she said.

"The hotel employee came into the room to help me, and I was able to run and lock myself in another room until the police came," she told the paper. Later, she said saw her sister sprawled unconscious.

The sailors were taken into custody and charged with attempted murder. Authorities say they later found evidence linking them to the January killing.

A U.S. Navy statement said Jarrett C. Monzingo, 22., and Joshua Dockery, 27, active-duty petty officers assigned to the San Diego area, face murder and attempted-murder charges in the death of a Mexican citizen and are being held at La Mesa Prison in Tijuana.

The statement does not elaborate on the alleged crime but says the Navy has hired Mexican lawyers to represent the petty officers.

The arrests come just weeks after top Navy and Marine Corps commanders ordered more restrictions for service members who want to visit Mexico.

Whether it's business or pleasure all service members must first get approval to travel to Mexico. If they're cleared, they must take a safety class and take a buddy with them when they go. If the policy is broken Marines may be punished by losing rank or pay.

Member #4450
02-17-09, 23:35
WOW!
I wonder if there's something else to the story, why two clean cut military sailors would attack these working girls in such aggressive way?
Do you thing are drugs involved, or maybe someone else did it and blamed the U.S. sailors?

Country John
02-18-09, 18:00
WOW!
I wonder if there's something else to the story, why two clean cut military sailors would attack these working girls in such aggressive way?
Do you thing are drugs involved, or maybe someone else did it and blamed the U.S. sailors?

I was wondering the exact same thing. There has been no mention of drugs on the local news. Some have blamed military training or military influences. I blame plain old insanity.

A person who is capable of letting their sense of right and wrong stray so far that they attempt to kill someone in a setting like this truly deserves to be locked up in La Mesa State Prison, in Tijuana. They can use their military training and survival skills there as they adjust to life in a 12 man cell, occupied by 21 men, some of the most violent people in the world.

Member #4450
02-18-09, 21:43
I was wondering the exact same thing. There has been no mention of drugs on the local news. Some have blamed military training or military influences. I blame plain old insanity.

A person who is capable of letting their sense of right and wrong stray so far that they attempt to kill someone in a setting like this truly deserves to be locked up in La Mesa State Prison, in Tijuana. They can use their military training and survival skills there as they adjust to life in a 12 man cell, occupied by 21 men, some of the most violent people in the world.
No question about it, if they are guilty of a crime they should deal with the law.
But to me something doesn't look right, man this is a job for detective columbo LOL!
Seriously, why these two young men from the military would do something like that?
Btw those girls were not hot at all, just fat average SG, not the kind you will think young decent looking guys will fuck with?
I smell rat, after all it could be true but you have to be really dumb stupid to do a thing like that or just insane in brain!
The father said that his son would react as he did only if his life was in danger, remember these guys are trained by the military to kill without remorse but in combat man to man not women, very weird?

I don't trust the Mexican authorities, a Mexican criminal have more rights than a clean good faith U.S. monger.
And what's up with that black soldier smiling for the cameras, it gives me the creeps!!
Funny how they say no comment until my lawyer gets here, they still believing they were arrested under U.S. laws, they were lucky because the media cameras were running at that time , they will talk when hanging from the balls in jail!

What's the possibility that these soldiers were in combat in Iraq? That can explain a mental problem that many servicemen are having after returning from the war, it makes you wonder?
Mental evaluation must be done on some of these soldiers before this happen again if this is the case.

Efjayel
02-18-09, 22:44
Btw those girls were not hot at all, just fat average SG, not the kind you will think young decent looking guys will fuck with

How do you know that?


I'd like to hear the side of the Navy guys. I have yet to hear anything of their side. They haven't even said they are innocent or try to explain anything. They simply refuse to talk. Doesn't look like the acts of an innocent person being caught in the wrong place. If I was falsely accused of such a thing, my first quote would be that I was innocent. They don't even say that. They didn't even want to identify themselves after being arrested.

In all sense they just look guilty. If they are guilty then their acts are of pure insanity. And to think, we have people like this in the military. They don't deserve psychological help, they deserve to get their balls cut off in prison.

Smut Villain
02-18-09, 23:30
The father said that his son would react as he did only if his life was in danger, remember these guys are trained by the military to kill without remorse but in combat man to man not women, very weird?
If they were Marines or Soldiers I would buy this. However, these guys were U.S. Navy sailors. The Rambo cliches don't even apply (unless they were SEALs). Sailors don't even do ground combat in the first place; it's not in their job description (again, SEALs and corpsmen are the exceptions). This means, of course, that their "military training" probably wasn't anything like the usual "Full Metal Jacket" cliches you're thinking about; no rolling around in the mud with assault rifles or even eating snakes. No camouflage uniforms, no war paint, nothing like that. The military is not like the stereotypes you see in the movies, especially the Navy and the Air Force.



What's the possibility that these soldiers were in combat in Iraq? That can explain a mental problem that many servicemen are having after returning from the war, it makes you wonder?
Mental evaluation must be done on some of these soldiers before this happen again if this is the case.
What's the chances they were in Iraq? Pretty darned slim, actually; remember, they were U.S. Navy Sailors, not soldiers. If they were ever in the Middle East then it was likely on board a ship, not dodging bullets in Baghdad. As I said in the first paragraph, the "evil-Soldier-comes-from-war-all-fucked-in-the-head-and-kills-everybody" BS doesn't even apply to members of a Navy which doesn't even do ground combat in the first place.

BTW, I served in both Gulf Wars (10 years Navy, 4 years Army National Guard) and I haven't killed anyone; neither have the vast majority of the men who served with me. Please refrain from using Vietnam-vet warmonger Rambo movie cliches to describe the troops because the vast majority don't even come close to that level of craziness (and the ones who do were fucked in the head in the first place, before they ever joined the military).

Please don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to flame you (and if I came across that way then please allow me to apologize in advance). It's just that the military, contrary to popular belief, is not some home for a bunch of mentally challenged, malcontent potential axe - murderers. If you knew the low-impact and lightweight basic training used to produce the average sailor then you'd probably realize that military training was probably not a determining factor in the sick behavior displayed by the two suspects.

Sgt Perv
02-19-09, 00:20
Thank you! You saved me a lot of typing and was nicer then I would have been.

Although the military does train some to kill, no one is trained to kill without remorse. That is a very personal ,moral and individual thing.

How would you train someone to kill without remorse?

What drug would you take that would make you kill someone, hide the body, and then 3 weeks later want to repeat?

Stress from training ? Well one was in BUD (Basic Underwater Demolition) training. Yes he could have been depressed over failing but there was two of them!

These two sailors fucked up.

Member #4450
02-19-09, 00:46
If they were Marines or Soldiers I would buy this. However, these guys were U.S. Navy sailors. The Rambo cliches don't even apply (unless they were SEALs).
Yes they are Seals at least one of them is, if you google there's a lot info.

Please refrain from using Vietnam-vet warmonger Rambo movie cliches to describe the troops because the vast majority don't even come close to that level of craziness (and the ones who do were fucked in the head in the first place, before they ever joined the military).
No one said anything about Vietnam Vet warmonger, movies or anything like it.


How do you know that?

Here: http://www.10news.com/newsarchive/18677087/detail.html#

click on the videos to the right you can see one of the girls there's another site can't find it now it shows the two injured girls and the hotel manager.

Sgt Perv
02-19-09, 02:31
Yes they are Seals at least one of them is, if you google there's a lot info.Nowhere was it said one was a Seal. It was said one was until recently in BUD training. Seal training is in the beginning 6 months long. Most do not make it through.

Most fail during "hell week"where they are screwed with mentally and physically to their limits.

Trained killers?

Do you really think that two chicas and an old man would be alive at the hands of one trained killer?

There was two young men with two knives. Far from being combat warriors.

Member #4450
02-19-09, 02:49
Thank you! You saved me a lot of typing and was nicer then I would have been.

Although the military does train some to kill, no one is trained to kill without remorse. That is a very personal ,moral and individual thing.

How would you train someone to kill without remorse?

What drug would you take that would make you kill someone, hide the body, and then 3 weeks later want to repeat?

Stress from training ? Well one was in BUD (Basic Underwater Demolition) training. Yes he could have been depressed over failing but there was two of them!

These two sailors fucked up.


Are you a doctor? Yes, are plenty of recreational drugs that can fuck your brains and make you do things like that read the facts.

Sgt Perv
02-19-09, 07:14
Are you a doctor? Yes, are plenty of recreational drugs that can fuck your brains and make you do things like that read the facts.I do not have to be a doctor ( I was a qualified Medic ) , just sane, to know if I took a drug and killed someone while knowing enough that it was wrong and hide the body, I would not take that drug again.

That has to be one strange drug to get two people to act in the same insane way at same time and then repeat three weeks later.

It would be amazing that during the three week gap that the Navy did not know that either had an addiction.

They either took or bought knives in Mexico. Why? They knew it was against military policies.

Although they are military ,they are also people and people do fuck up.

Sgt Perv
02-19-09, 07:42
How do you know that?


I'd like to hear the side of the Navy guys. I have yet to hear anything of their side. They haven't even said they are innocent or try to explain anything. They simply refuse to talk.When they were arrested they would not say what branch of the service they were with either.

Basic military training is you only give your name, rank ,serial number and date of birth.

That forces the captor to contact the US Military and register they have you.

In the USA or Mexico nothing they said could have helped them at all.

Efjayel
02-19-09, 08:15
Okay thanks for that vid. And you're right, the girls they picked weren't exactly the best of the bunch. And from the interview of the chicas, seems these guys had it planned out to kill them.

Maybe these two were in some psychotic pact to kill prostitutes or something. Glad they are in jail.

It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.

Member #4450
02-19-09, 20:07
It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.
You're right, I don't know why?
Everything is kept quiet, maybe there's not much info released by the Mexican authorities?
What motivated these guys to do a thing like that against these poor girls?

I don't buy they were attacked, the two guys at the same time and for what
money??
A 19 yrs old girl was found dead a few weeks before and one of the guys was caught by the hotel security camera and wearing the same shirt when he was arrested , he was seen with the girl before she was found dead by the hotel maid.
Did they bring the knives into TJ?
I'm not aware if you can legally buy these kind of knives in TJ, maybe at some sporting goods store?
Anyway it's a good story I wish was more info available, maybe 20/20, 60 minutes, or one those tv programs are working on it so stay tuned!

Sgt Perv
02-20-09, 00:14
It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.Did you notice that none of the article have the familiar AP (Associated Press).

Some have copyright statements.

Not a mystery who has the influence to keep it low key and why.

Not exactly the pride story of US ,Mexico or military.

Hammer_G
02-22-09, 08:57
A mail from my friend. I often go to TJ with them, but didn't go this time.

We got framed inside Adelita, me and Henry walked in and right away some Mexican guy said Henry stole his cel phone and we ignored and walked around and then 4 guys followed us wanted us to empty our pockets, we tried to get the bartender to translate and then we were harrased and followed and we had to go out to get policia and then they bodysearched us and took our passports and then we were put against the wall, and then I gave the policia $20, they found no cel phone on us, we told them they are lying, and then we were let go. Henry turned white as a ghost and not a good experience.

Phordphan
02-22-09, 21:46
A mail from my friend. I often go to TJ with them, but didn't go this time.

We got framed inside Adelita, me and Henry walked in and right away some Mexican guy said Henry stole his cel phone and we ignored and walked around and then 4 guys followed us wanted us to empty our pockets, we tried to get the bartender to translate and then we were harrased and followed and we had to go out to get policia and then they bodysearched us and took our passports and then we were put against the wall, and then I gave the policia $20, they found no cel phone on us, we told them they are lying, and then we were let go. Henry turned white as a ghost and not a good experience.

When did this happen? Date/time?

Efjayel
02-22-09, 23:51
Poor Henry. Bet he wont be going back.

Hammer_G
02-23-09, 12:05
Since I am not in the US now, I only communicate with my friend thru Email.
I asked " Did police do anything to those people ? "
This is his reply,
"absolutely nothing, kept chatting with them afterwards. maybe on the same team."

Country John
02-23-09, 20:25
A mail from my friend. I often go to TJ with them, but didn't go this time.

We got framed inside Adelita, me and Henry walked in and right away some Mexican guy said Henry stole his cel phone and we ignored and walked around and then 4 guys followed us wanted us to empty our pockets, we tried to get the bartender to translate and then we were harrased and followed and we had to go out to get policia and then they bodysearched us and took our passports and then we were put against the wall, and then I gave the policia $20, they found no cel phone on us, we told them they are lying, and then we were let go. Henry turned white as a ghost and not a good experience.

Mate, Henry looked like the guy to stole the cel phone. That's it. It's not some grand plot to extort $20. If it were, it would have been for a lot more than $20. and it would have been a LOT more dramatic. Why did your friend pay the cops? For what? Why were they carrying their passports in the first place? I can understand how this went down, but I don't understand why your friend paid the cops.

Hammer_G
02-24-09, 10:27
Henry is an internet programmer and got paid $60,000 per year. I don't think he need a Mexican cell phone. My friend said the police wouldn't give back their passports until they paid. Well, maybe they are suckers.
My friends live in LA. They went there just for a few hours. Not overnight.
Anyway, I wasn't there. All the info is from his Email.

I think now they will just go to LA's Korean wh*rehouses for a while.

Country John
02-26-09, 01:25
Henry is an internet programmer and got paid $60,000 per year. I don't think he need a Mexican cell phone. My friend said the police wouldn't give back their passports until they paid. Well, maybe they are suckers.
My friends live in LA. They went there just for a few hours. Not overnight.
Anyway, I wasn't there. All the info is from his Email.

I think now they will just go to LA's Korean wh*rehouses for a while.

Henry probably was mistaken for a guy who took the phone. If it were a setup, there would most likely be much more money involved in the payoff. There appears to be a bit more to the story than what you were told. I'm glad your guys got out without major drama. This incident, on a scale of 1 to 10 comes in at about a 3 however. For a noobie, it would be an 11.

Country John

Hammer_G
02-26-09, 09:47
When did this happen? Date/time?
End of Jan 2009.

Indeed, paying $20 to leave the "situation" isn't that bad.
The worst case I heard is my friend shot the guys who car-jacked him.

Pablito Diablito
03-01-09, 19:00
so crossing the border recently i had the pleasure of being pulled into, what i thought was secondary. they line up about 10 cars and drive a vehicle with some sort of x-ray technology up and down looking for clandestine goods or people. after already spending 3 hours in the line i was irritated to all hell and felt like ruffling some feathers. i pulled out my video camera and started playing tourist. after about 30 seconds they started to yell at me to turn the camera off, which i did. i argued that i was just really excited as this was my first trip to secondary, and what, the guy who video taped the rodney king beating got thrown in jail for proving how f**ked up the lapd is? i then go into a extremely self-righteous speech about how somebody needs to hold these guys accountable in the face of mounting corruption. the border patrol agent stops, turns around and says, "i can't speak for any of my colleagues, but i assure you that i am legit". that guy just sold out someone on his team that he knows is on the take. the border patrol has grown way too quickly to seriously weed out the bad apples. while i don't think they are as bad as the mexican pd, i don't think it will be long until they are.

Country John
03-10-09, 00:40
While eating a taco outside Chicago Club on Friday night, (with my girl) I could not help but overhear a conversation between a monger and a street girl (walker). She struck up the conversation with the guy as he was waiting for his taco.

She was asking him all sorts of questions after the small talk got out of the way. Thinks like "Do you come here often?" And "How much time do you spend in the Zona"? "How many girls do you go with when you are here?"

Seems like an innocent conversation right? Well, I think mongers (and especially newbies) need to be very careful about the kinds of answers they give to questions like these. The girl could be setting you up to get knocked over etc.

It seemed strange to me that the guy would be so forthcoming with answers that could bite back later if he decided to take her to a room.

Don't ever divulge much about who you are or about your trips.

Country John

Ath Trainer
03-15-09, 19:19
I just read in the Sunday paper that the govt is issuing a travel alert to Mexican border towns. They are not telling you to stay away from resort towns. Tijuana was one of the areas on the list. They also discouraged you from going to areas where prostitution was prevalent. They recommend that you also not go at night.

Country John, other respected mongers, and others who frequent TJ:

How dangerous is it to park at the border, catch a yellow cab to Adelitas, take care of business, get back in another cab, and cross back over (total trip less than 2 hours around 9 pm)?

I have a trip planned for mid July where I would follow this script 4 nights in a row. I know you cannot predict how it will be in July, but, I am thinking about canceling my plans, cutting my losses, and finding another mongering location that will not get me kidnapped.

Any feedback?

Phordphan
03-16-09, 16:16
I just read in the Sunday paper that the govt is issuing a travel alert to Mexican border towns. They are not telling you to stay away from resort towns. Tijuana was one of the areas on the list. They also discouraged you from going to areas where prostitution was prevalent. They recommend that you also not go at night.

Country John, other respected mongers, and others who frequent TJ:

How dangerous is it to park at the border, catch a yellow cab to Adelitas, take care of business, get back in another cab, and cross back over (total trip less than 2 hours around 9 pm)?

I have a trip planned for mid July where I would follow this script 4 nights in a row. I know you cannot predict how it will be in July, but, I am thinking about canceling my plans, cutting my losses, and finding another mongering location that will not get me kidnapped.

Any feedback?

Get some kevlar at a military surplus store, keep your head down after crossing the border and run like hell from/to the taxis and from/to the bars. For some reason the narcos have a hard time hitting the taxis with their RPGs. It's extremely dangerous, but worth it.

Good grief. Do you do a lot of business in MX? Are you wealthy or have a wealthy family with a reasonably high profile? Do you deal drugs? Do you intend to deal while in TJ?

If the answers to the above questions are no, you have very little to worry about. Don't believe everything the government tells you.

Efjayel
04-04-09, 02:40
They caught one of the Mexican Drug lords while jogging.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mexico-Drugs-War-Vicente-Carrillo-Leyva-Of-Juarez-Cartel-Captured-US-Agrees-To-Tighten-Borders/Article/200904115254928?f=rss

The U.S. FINALLY has started doing something about all the killings down south. It's about damn time. It took over 8k deaths before they decided to intervene. They put a bounty on the drug cartels. And finally they caught one.

It's funny though, he looks a lot like Cillian Murphy. The guy that played the Scarecrow in Batman Begins.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/879/cillianmurphy.jpg

Pablito Diablito
04-07-09, 17:37
So I can't find the original post that inspired me to stand up to the cops, but one of you guys was talking about getting shook down by the fuzz, bs cop says, "someone that looks like you was seen buying drugs. " Well after reading that post I had the balls to stand up to the cops last Sunday.

I had just finished dinner over in the Zona Rio, and was cruising Revo when the flashing lights got me. I pulled over to see what these guys wanted. They wanted to see my ID, and I additionally offered my insurance policy. They said that the window tinting on my vehicle was too dark, and not legal. I told them I had the tinting installed to the letter of the law, dark in the back, lighter in the front, and just a stripe on the top of the windshield. That was last years law they said, and this was 2009, and thus now illegal.

I apologized and said that I was unaware of the new law, and that I would be more than happy to remove the tinting. They started to talk about towing my vehicle, and I said that I understood completely, and that I would explain it all to the judge.

One cop said the to the other, under his breath, $20 and we're out of here. When I heard this I apologized again and said that I would NEVER break the law in Mexico because it undermines national sovereignty.

After rambling for a while, they gave me back my licence and said that I was very lucky to get away with just a warning, and that I needed to take off the window tinting at home.

I got really lucky because I had a girl in the front seat that I know for a fact did not have her ID on her. Had they not been so amused by the gringo, and asked her some questions, I think I could have gotten into a lot more trouble.

F#$k the pOlice, but I'm glad to have read that report on here, or I probably would have tried to pay those cops off. I did not spend one peso, and it only cost me about 10 mins. By the way, all this happened in front of Las Pulgas and the Jai Alai palace.

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Bowline
04-07-09, 22:39
I have lived in Tijuana for 5 years and have only once made a "payoff" and that was when I was totally at fault. Have always been released with a thank you. They do not want to take in minor offenders because there are others who will pay and at the station they have to share the "spoils". Minor tickets can be paid by check at an address in San Ysidro, by mail. This address can be found the Tijuana tourist guide, do a web search.

I am often asked by friends living in Los Angeles on how to be "safe" in Tijuana. Leave auto on US side of border. Take the red and white taxis Watch your alchohol consumptions and don't befriend any of the street hustlers, the yare for the most part scammers or police informers. Don't be conspicuous.

Get our own table at the bars and not with strangers, you can be in trouble by association. If you have to stay overnight in a hotel, I was at the Hotel Leyva for 2 months before I found my condo. I operated a bar on Constitution for 1 1/2 years. Otherwise Tijuana is not any more worse than LA or anywhere else. I have never had a problem.

Anyone looking for a wing man give me a pm.

Efjayel
04-08-09, 23:35
Lol, nice Pablito.

Smut Villain
04-11-09, 01:57
I have lived in Tijuana for 5 years and have only once made a "payoff" and that was when I was totally at fault. Have always been released with a thank you. They do not want to take in minor offenders because there are others who will pay and at the station they have to share the "spoils". Minor tickets can be paid by check at an address in San Ysidro, by mail. This address can be found the Tijuana tourist guide, do a web search.

I am often asked by friends living in Los Angeles on how to be "safe" in Tijuana. Leave auto on US side of border. Take the red and white taxis Watch your alchohol consumptions and don't befriend any of the street hustlers, the yare for the most part scammers or police informers. Don't be conspicuous.

Get our own table at the bars and not with strangers, you can be in trouble by association. If you have to stay overnight in a hotel, I was at the Hotel Leyva for 2 months before I found my condo. I operated a bar on Constitution for 1 1/2 years. Otherwise Tijuana is not any more worse than LA or anywhere else. I have never had a problem.

Anyone looking for a wing man give me a pm.
A lot of this jibes with my own experiences in Tijuana, especially the warning against getting shit-faced drunk. I've lost count of how many Gringos I've seen getting robbed/beat up/shaken down by the "Chocolates" because they were too drunk to keep their wits about them.

Country John
04-13-09, 17:07
A lot of this jibes with my own experiences in Tijuana, especially the warning against getting shit-faced drunk. I've lost count of how many Gringos I've seen getting robbed/beat up/shaken down by the "Chocolates" because they were too drunk to keep their wits about them.

Same as the USA. Get stupid and you pay. The thing that frightens me about the USa is that the violence there is random; you just don't know where the threat is going to come from. You could be in church saying your prayers and lightly confessing when some product of the shrink trade bursts in and machine guns the place because he didn't get blueberries in his cornflakes that morning.

Here, you know the score; you know who is after who and you know why. I can deal with that. What I don't like is the thought of getting a bullet through the skull as I'm driving down the 805; totally random you see. Or perhaps as I'm visiting the local college or school, or on religious retreat I become a victim of random violence.

People need to wake up to this nonsense. Sure, lose heads rolling around in the mud is nothing to laugh about, but it's not something that is totally unexpected either, given the line of work these knuckleheads got themselves involved in. What would be totally out of character here in Mexico is the kind of random killings that you hear about every day in the USA. THAT shit is frightening. So much for a more "sophisticated" society eh?

The sign of blood and the stories of the brutality of the narcotraficantes towards each other is an attention getter, that's for sure. The sad part is that most believe that there are armed convoys of narcos patrolling the streets looking for tourists to either kidnap and hold for ransom, or to slaughter in the street in front of their children just for the thrill of watching them die.

Nothing could be further from the truth. People returning to TJ would find no change to the threat level if they were to pay attention.

Member #4450
04-26-09, 21:50
The Flu virus is very contagious by air borne and by contact.
Maybe impossible but avoid large crowds like bars, clubs, malls movie theaters a lots of people waiting in line.
the more people around you the bigger the chances of getting the flu.
No joke, wash your hands after touching door knobs, taxi cabs, best yet wait at home until this shit clears, it should be over in a month or so.
here's more update info: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682/?GT1=43001

JesseJames
04-30-09, 22:17
The Flu virus is very contagious by air borne and by contact.
Maybe impossible but avoid large crowds like bars, clubs, malls movie theaters a lots of people waiting in line.
the more people around you the bigger the chances of getting the flu.
No joke, wash your hands after touching door knobs, taxi cabs, best yet wait at home until this shit clears, it should be over in a month or so.
here's more update info: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30398682/?GT1=43001

I think it will be over by May 14. I hope.

Sound7
05-01-09, 05:15
I think it will be over by May 14. I hope.

May 14

WHO is currently reviewing DF Health Department official claim to Post Pandemic status.. fewer reported cases or death.

May 6 pivotal for DF and Mexico based on self-imposed school closure.

More US reported cases on rise. Level 5 Pandemic. Level 6?

May 14 Post Pandemic stage?

Member #4450
05-01-09, 08:12
Numbers are so tiny for a pandemic.
There's 300 million people in the U.S. and I think about 100 million in Mexico.
Do the math not that many sick or dead really.
Last year almost 40 thousand people die of regular flu in the U.S. I think the news media is making this flu bigger than what really is.
Of course no one wants to get sick, so I personally I'm staying out of action for a while until things return to normal.

Sound7
05-01-09, 15:58
Numbers are so tiny for a pandemic.
There's 300 million people in the U.S. and I think about 100 million in Mexico.
Do the math not that many sick or dead really.
Last year almost 40 thousand people die of regular flu in the U.S. I think the news media is making this flu bigger than what really is.
Of course no one wants to get sick, so I personally I'm staying out of action for a while until things return to normal.

It is the direction in case reporting that define "Pandemic Stages" not the actual number of cases. It is being reported today the H1A1 Type A is a mild virus in USA.

Sweetjacker
05-08-09, 10:18
Dear All,

I have not been to Adelitas Bar in a year. It was once an amazing place to go. My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.

Can someone who has recently been to the Big A advise of the following:

1. Is it safe to catch a taxi ride at the border and then back, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?

2. Once in Adelitas Bar, is it safe to hang out there and use the neighboring hotel?

3. Are there as many girls at Adelitas Bar as in the past, and are they as good as in the past?

4. Is it safe to go to strip clubs on Revolution Street, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can give me some advise.

Thank you,

Sweetjacker

Bunky
05-09-09, 17:11
My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.The sensational crime that has received so much media coverage is occurring far from the Zona Norte, and is almost entirely drug-related. If you are not part of the narcotrafficante scene you have nothing to fear. It is perfect safe to take a taxi from the border to the Zona and back. It is also perfectly safe to patronize the Adelita Bar, the Chicago Club, and the Hong Kong Club. Indeed, walking from the Adelita Bar to the Hong Kong Club is even safer than it used to be now that the Hong Kong Club has added a second entrance on the same street as the Adelita Bar. (No more walking around the corner to the alley.)

As for the selection of girls, that waxes and wanes depending on a variety of factors. Others can jump in here, but my sense is that there are slightly fewer girls working these days, but the decline is so small it's hard to notice. On the other hand, the slow U.S. economy (and lately the flu scare) have combined to DRASTICALLY decrease the number of guys visiting the Zona these days. So in my view it's a buyer's market. By that I mean the ratio of girls to guys is quite favorable, and if you've got money to spend you can easily get a hot girl to go upstairs for a good price.

Bunky

Bowline
05-11-09, 23:46
Dear All,

I have not been to Adelitas Bar in a year. It was once an amazing place to go. My friends and I want to go later this month and pull an all nighter. A few of us are concerned with the increase in violence and crime in Tijuana.

Can someone who has recently been to the Big A advise of the following:

1. Is it safe to catch a taxi ride at the border and then back, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?

2. Once in Adelitas Bar, is it safe to hang out there and use the neighboring hotel?

3. Are there as many girls at Adelitas Bar as in the past, and are they as good as in the past?

4. Is it safe to go to strip clubs on Revolution Street, without fear of getting robbed or kidnapped?

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can give me some advise.

Thank you,

Sweetjacker1). This is the only "safe"way.

2). Yes, avoid walking south on Constitution or Ninos Heros, these are essentially the limits of the zona. These are the up the the hill streets avoid dark areas at all costs hile in the zona. Also north of Coajuila past the Leyva Hotel should be avoided.

3) Yes, unless you have an adversion to silicone.

4) I would not go to the clubs on Revolution unless, that was the original destination I had in mind, and I would stay there, but be careful. NEVER walk from the zona to Revolution. The area between is a no mans land. The only way to get around: border to zona or other areas is by taxi, look for the red and white taxis.

Country John
05-12-09, 18:06
1). This is the only "safe"way.

2). Yes, avoid walking south on Constitution or Ninos Heros, these are essentially the limits of the zona. These are the up the the hill streets avoid dark areas at all costs hile in the zona. Also north of Coajuila past the Leyva Hotel should be avoided.

3) Yes, unless you have an adversion to silicone.

4) I would not go to the clubs on Revolution unless, that was the original destination I had in mind, and I would stay there, but be careful. NEVER walk from the zona to Revolution. The area between is a no mans land. The only way to get around: border to zona or other areas is by taxi, look for the red and white taxis.

I want to confirm the above.

Revolution is NOT the place it used to be at night. The clubs that ARE open are separated by long walks of darkness, you don't want to be walking on Revolution at night.

If you want to go to a club, take a cab. Do not walk.

Look: The rateros are out. They are the ones you need to watch out for. You don't need to be looking at every Mexican as though they are about to rob you. The economy here sucks too. Less handouts, fewer opportunities make for a nervous situation when rico gringo struts his stuff down Revolution at night.

Re-read the above post.

Be safe and be nice
Country John

Phordphan
05-12-09, 22:15
I want to confirm the above.

Revolution is NOT the place it used to be at night. The clubs that ARE open are separated by long walks of darkness, you don't want to be walking on Revolution at night.

If you want to go to a club, take a cab. Do not walk.

Look: The rateros are out. They are the ones you need to watch out for. You don't need to be looking at every Mexican as though they are about to rob you. The economy here sucks too. Less handouts, fewer opportunities make for a nervous situation when rico gringo struts his stuff down Revolution at night.

Re-read the above post.

Be safe and be nice
Country John

Let me politely disagree about Revu.

I'm not sure when they were installed, but Revu now has street lights, along the sidewalk, on both sides of the street, from, roughly, the Nelson, south to maybe 7th or 8th street. Revu is VERY will lit at night, and not nearly as dark and creepy as it used to be, with very dark areas. The lights don't extend all the way to Las Pulgas, but stop a blocks or two short. Sorry for the vagueness.

In other words, going from club to club along Revu (excepting Amnesia and KoKo Bongo, or whatever it is, which are way south) should present no problems. The area is no longer the black pit it once was.

I, personally, would have no problem walking from the zona to Revu, up Constitucion. I have many times. However, why you would want to is another matter. :)

If you want to go from Revu to the zona, and don't want to go across Articulo 123, cut over to Constitucion on, say, 2nd street. Then go down Constitucion to Coahuila.

All that being said, I have not been out lately past around midnight - 1:00am. I can't speak for anything that may happen at 3 or 4 in the AM. But, AFAIK, there is nothing happening anymore on Revu at that hour. The days of all-night parties seem to be long gone.

Efjayel
05-12-09, 23:41
Walking from Revo to the Zona is not a big deal nor is it very unsafe. And I think it's a waste of money to take a cab from Revolucion to the Zona as it's a relatively small distance.

I do recommend avoid taking Revolucion going north until you reach Coahuila as that part of Revolucion is usually empty. I've taken it many times during the day and it is very safe but less so at night. The best and quick way to get to the Zona from Revo is the path shown on the map below. This road is usually filled with other people walking the streets and should be safer. Actually most of Av constitucion has twice the amount of people walking the streets and is an even safer detour to reach the Zona.

Basically avoid going North of the Arc or North of Coahuila St(that's the street where AB is located). Also avoid going out of the Zona. Just half a block outside of the Zona in any direction and things start to look pretty scary. Sadly Purple Rain is a few blocks north of Coahuila and reaching there by foot is definitely scary at night.

Bunky
05-13-09, 05:22
I concur with Efjayel and Phordphan. It is possible to walk from the main turista strip on Avenida Revolucion to the Zona Norte safely. This walk is not for the novice, and it's important to have a good understanding of the geography so you don't get lost and wander around looking like a victim. If you aren't sure you can do that, just take a taxi. Even if you end up paying the outrageous flat rate, the peace of mind is worth $5.

I respectfully differ with the routes recommended so far. If you are starting from Av. Rev. near, say, 7th or 8th Streets I think the best route is to walk one block west to Av. Constitucion, and then walk north to the zona. This street is well lighted and well traveled at night and if you're street smart the walk is OK.

It does get a little sketchy as you come down the hill near Articulo 123. Here you need to walk in the street, facing traffic and keeping your head on a swivel. Again, not for the faint of heart. But not a suicide mission either.

Bunky

Efjayel
05-13-09, 10:24
You're right. Avenida Constitucion is the safer route. I originally said Nińos Heroes. I changed it.

Constitucion is usually crowded with locals like any regular city main street. Apparently the locals don't care much for the tourist strip and remain on Constitucion from what I've noticed. Also less police on Constitucion. The police are less likely to stop you on Revolucion(tourist strip) compared to being in the Zona but even less so on Constitucion since it's more a route for locals.

Country John
05-13-09, 17:08
Well I want to respectfully disagree with everyone except myself (what else is new.....).

Seriously folks. Walking revo at night is bad business for the inexperienced. Alley rats like Phordphan would have no trouoble because they have a reasonable expectation of what direction the hit will come from and he knows what to avoid, what to look out for etc.

For the noobie or greenie, stay off Revo at night except by cab. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Country John

Sweetjacker
05-14-09, 11:36
I just read in the San Diego newspaper that 4 US citizens were killed in Tijuana a couple of nights ago. 2 men and 2 women. All under 23 years of age. The newspaper report stated that they went to party for the night in Tijuana and got murdered.

Do you fellas still think its safe to go to the Zona to party on a late Saturday night? Let me know.

Sgt Perv
05-14-09, 23:44
I just read in the San Diego newspaper that 4 US citizens were killed in Tijuana a couple of nights ago. 2 men and 2 women. All under 23 years of age. The newspaper report stated that they went to party for the night in Tijuana and got murdered.

Do you fellas still think its safe to go to the Zona to party on a late Saturday night? Let me know.Exactly where were they at and what were they doing? If they were messing with the drug boys then... Hey!.. You play you pay.

They, being couples, were most likely not mongers of the zona.

Like any big city. Tijuana can be dangerous. It all comes down to where you're at, when you're there and what you are involved in while there.

You have a couple young men trying to impress two women, things often get out of control. Anywhere!

Efjayel
05-15-09, 07:12
Yes it's still safe.

I just saw this on the news. they where strangled, bound, gagged and stabbed to death. One of the bodies tested positive for cocaine.

The catch was that the relatives admitted those kids had connections with drug cartels. So unless you're there doing drug deals or looking for drugs, I doubt you have anything to worry about.

RoadGlide
05-15-09, 07:42
You should be safe as long as you have no dealings with anything drug related. These killings were not a random act, but they were done in a very brutal manner.

"The bodies were described as having been tortured; bludgeoned, beaten and with their skulls crushed. They were found wrapped in blankets early Saturday morning, according to a news release from the Tijuana State Attorney's Office". The girls were 19 and 20 years old, one news report said that the girls had 6" long knife cuts to their faces. You can imagine what else happened to them in the 36 hours from the time they went to Tijuana on Thursday night until they were found on Saturday morning, because the van they were dumped in was dripping blood.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Four-San-Diegans-Found-Murdered-in-Tijuana/8SUFa4eDgk-FybFhtKRbcw.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html

If you go to TJ, be careful who you deal with, those four young adults made a mistake by hanging out with the wrong people, and they didn't see this coming.

RG.

Country John
05-15-09, 18:23
You should be safe as long as you have no dealings with anything drug related. These killings were not a random act, but they were done in a very brutal manner.

"The bodies were described as having been tortured; bludgeoned, beaten and with their skulls crushed. They were found wrapped in blankets early Saturday morning, according to a news release from the Tijuana State Attorney's Office". The girls were 19 and 20 years old, one news report said that the girls had 6" long knife cuts to their faces. You can imagine what else happened to them in the 36 hours from the time they went to Tijuana on Thursday night until they were found on Saturday morning, because the van they were dumped in was dripping blood.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Four-San-Diegans-Found-Murdered-in-Tijuana/8SUFa4eDgk-FybFhtKRbcw.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html

If you go to TJ, be careful who you deal with, those four young adults made a mistake by hanging out with the wrong people, and they didn't see this coming.

RG.

Roadglide is right.

It's a terrible story and an awful way to die. Inexperience and naivety obviously played a role in this as well as some very very bad decision making. There are lots of people out there who are not saying "no" to drugs and they are ending up like these poor children. Peace be upon them. Americans can't and shouldn't condemn the Mexican people for the actions of their narco/criminal element.

Sure makes great headlines though.

Efjayel
05-16-09, 10:52
They don't deserve what happened to them. I saw a picture of one of the girls. And she just seemed like one of those sweet high school girls that didn't get into trouble. But I guess looks are deceiving. With everything that has been going on with the drug cartels you'd think they would be smarter than to deal with these drug dealers.

United States has as much to blame as the Mexicans who did this since the biggest importer of the Mexican drugs are the United States.

Libra 7474
05-17-09, 02:19
Another reason not to be overly adventurous.

God rest their souls

Toadtamer2
05-17-09, 17:17
3 of the 4 had problems in their past. They were obviously targeted for a reason. Not innocent victims IMO. They rolled the dice and lost big time.

Double
05-17-09, 23:51
it is not what is used to be:

how is the united states to blame for mexico's woes? canada ineighbors the u.s. and it does not have the same problems within its borders. one of the biggest problems that mexico faces is the widespread inability to accept responsibility for the ills of their own country. the united states is not responsible for the prevalent and worsening systematic issues within mexico.

the mexican government has a problem with blaming the u.s. for all of its problems, so to draw attention away from the fact that they are incompetent. the country exports people, and drugs, as a means of creating economic opportunity for a few and to maintaining the status quo.

the entire mexican police department is corrupt. from the least influential street beat cop to the highest police official in the country, there is not one honest cop. they are all criminals that prey on the weak, abuse their power and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the country for all that they can get for themselves. i have personally been robbed by mexican police officers in tj as soon as i stepped out of the cab as i was dropped of from the border. there was absolutly no reason for the police to speak to me. i step out of the cab and immdeiately "hey amigo" come here, and a shake down for cash.

one last point is that the young people that were brutalized for nothing are not able to speak for themselves. it is very unlikely that they were connected to the drugs gangs, because the police are the drug gangs in tj. i would advise anyone that values their life to stay out of the toilet called tijuana, as there are many other places to go in the world that are much nicer. a $60 piece of pussy is not worth dying over. i would rather pay ten times that amount and be okay that go to t town.

Double
05-18-09, 00:03
It does not matter.....

People my last comment. It does not matter if you are on drugs or not. When you cross the border to go to TJ you are entering one of the most dangerous city in the world next to Juarez Mexico. I have been going to TJ for over 30 years, and for 30 years the police have ripped off tourist. Before is was just a $20 and off you go. Now it is a kidnapping, where you can be force to the atm to make a withdrawal, or your vehicle is taken, or you are driven around in a van and coerced into giving up all the money you have.

I do not drink, I do not do drugs, I dress like a regular middle class guy, no gang history, bilinqual, and lived on the border for 30 years. The point is that these people do not need an excuse to murder. It is out of control down there, and honestly the city should be off limits. Once a hot spot, now just a burnout.

Efjayel
05-18-09, 12:51
I believe their deaths where because of the drug cartels since the families admitted to it. As for how unsafe Tj is, it has gotten worse. But in all the trips I've taken I've never had a problem. If you are scared to go then don't go.

Double
05-18-09, 17:06
TJ where the fearless roam.

I will stay home in the good ol US and leave TJ to the rats. Be my guest, go and hang out with the $60 hoes until you crook. Honestly, what is the attraction to streets that smell like vomit, and women that are burnouts. The TJ hookers are the coldest, money grubbers that I have encountered in all my days. No passion at all, just "fuckie fuckie, suckie, suckie". I have had better lap dances in San Diego than some of the sex you can get in TJ. When the party is over there is always a group of folks that just can't go home.

Scared might be wise. Fear is a defense mechanism.

BTW, what do you think will be written on the note that they find beside you when they find your fearless body?

Member #4450
05-18-09, 19:03
Yes TJ is a very dangerous place to monger where everything goes, cheap and close to home. The reality is that not many people in this forum likes to read anything about Tijuana a terrible or dangerous place to go, like talking about plane crashes when your in a plane.
I personally believe TJ violence is getting out of control, I read somewhere Quote: Welcome to Tijuana come for the swine flu stay for the murders or something like that?
Double, I appreciate your comments for someone who knows TJ life like yourself for over 30 yrs.

Country John
05-19-09, 00:13
TJ has been "a dangerous place" for a very very long time. The crime is different because the technology used in crime here (and everywhere else) is different.

The fact remains that the murders are drug related. These are nasty people and staying out the drug trade is one measure to ensure an even shot at a long life.

Muggins and robberies are nothing new in Tj or anywhere else for that matter. The fact that it now gets more column inches of negative press than before is no surprise given the economic situation State-side. The DEA is talking more now than they ever did, that's also a good thing.

America continues to deny that it is probably the number one customer for drugs produced in or transported through Mexico, that is a pity. Most Mexicans can't afford the stuff. Some of the only people here who can afford it are busy working in the Zona Norte screwing you folks.

Look, I have been telling people this for a long time: If you are uncomfortable with the security in TJ, stay home. Sharks can smell blood in the water and bad guys here can smell fear.

I run two businesses here. I deal with the civilian population all day, every day. People are living their lives and going about their business. They are, of course, aware of the situation and the dangers associated with it; they are also aware of the common sense things that anyone living in a dangerous environment should know.

Mexico doesn't not have a monopoly on corruption. America's corruption problem is so bad they can't even quantify it. In the USA, it's always a big surprise when one of your people get caught up in a corruption scandal. Here, it's nothing new so it's no big deal.

Mexicans are sending the message that it doesn't matter what the corrupt cops, government or narotraficantes do, life goes on as usual. Things get done. Those who stick their head into the lion's mouth get it bitten off. So goes the laws of the jungle.

Revolution Avenue could be FLOODED with tourists this weekend who would have a great time. The same rules apply now that applied 20 years ago.

It's the hysteria generated by the drug related violence reported in the press creating the problem.

Having said all that, the experienced monger would have no problems. The noobie should come with a wingman who knows how this town thinks.

I understand that people are frightened. I understand why. But if our good neighbors to the north don't get with the program and show the bad guys that they are unaffected by their insanity, then that would send a powerful message. Instead, the California Chamber of Commerce is enjoying every minute of the hysteria.

That's just my opinion - I could be wrong.
Country John

Member #4450
05-19-09, 01:30
Look, I have been telling people this for a long time: If you are uncomfortable with the security in TJ, stay home. Sharks can smell blood in the water and bad guys here can smell fear.
CJ,
The whole idea of this forum is to really inform the truth of what's going on in TJ and not just getting the mongers scared with the wrong information.
I've been in the zona many times and never had anything to worry, I even walked many times from the border to the zona and around the zona at late evening hours I wouldn't do it now.
Police no longer protect you because they are been targeted right now. On the news just recently last Saturday a Chief of police from Otay was gunned down.
I've never heard police killings and bodies chopped lying dead on the streets two years ago.
Also on the news, LE is hiding violent crimes from the media and the people to keep the panic down they started doing it three months ago, so you cannot 100% know what really is going on in TJ.
Thanks CJ, and maybe you can give us a 411 update with the crowd in the zona? Do you still see a lot of guys going there as before are the bars full etc?

Country John
05-19-09, 18:05
CJ,
The whole idea of this forum is to really inform the truth of what's going on in TJ and not just getting the mongers scared with the wrong information.
I've been in the zona many times and never had anything to worry, I even walked many times from the border to the zona and around the zona at late evening hours I wouldn't do it now.
Police no longer protect you because they are been targeted right now. On the news just recently last Saturday a Chief of police from Otay was gunned down.
I've never heard police killings and bodies chopped lying dead on the streets two years ago.
Also on the news, LE is hiding violent crimes from the media and the people to keep the panic down they started doing it three months ago, so you cannot 100% know what really is going on in TJ.
Thanks CJ, and maybe you can give us a 411 update with the crowd in the zona? Do you still see a lot of guys going there as before are the bars full etc?

The difference between you and the paranoid is that you decide to use your brain to think. That's why you are getting along OK.

The violent crime in the press is in the press because there is a very public war being waged between the narcotraficantes and the government of Mexico. The blood started running in the streets BIG time when Calderon decided to bring the military to the party, put local police under the microscope and extradite close to 200 cartel people to the USA for prosecution. The guy is lucky he is not dead. He's really putting his life on the line as are many others.

Most Americans believe that it's not possible to encounter a trustworthy person in MExico which is an embarrassment to themselves and an injustice to the good people of Mexico. Americans are guilty of the very things they accuse others of, but that is a rant.

How many times do you have to hit someone over the head with the facts before they can think with them? In most cases, it's not worth the effort. There is no amount of reasoning that can make a hysterical-by-choice person understand the reality of what's going on.

The 4 kids who got off'ed last week here did not "wander off with the wrong element." It was not a chance encounter. It was not an accident. These children made stupid decisions and it cost them their lives. Peace be upon them.

Anyone here who makes the similar stupid decisions can expect the same result.

The thing that fucking grinds on me is that Americans just care to understand what's really happening. Sure, I would not be happy if I woke up one morning and found my head on the other side of the room, or my body dissolved in a barrel of acid; in my line of work and my other outside interests however, the chances of that happening to me are none and zero. That's because I am NOT involved in the activities that involve that sort of behavior.

Regarding the police, they could be doing anything in the world and the public not know about it. Looka twhat has been happening in the states. The cops here are more forthcoming and the press has more freedoms here to publish than in the USA.

So the cops MIGHT be hiding some stuff, but if they are, it would be for the reason you stated, because there is no warning out to the public to be on guard against random gunfire from narcotraficantes, people here just get what is going on and govern themselves accordingly; people here are not living in fear. Cartel people are not running down the center of Revolution Blvd firing automatic weapons into crowds of tourists.

The situation is what it is and people are going to stew in their own perceptions and paranoia. Look what is happening in the USA; if people just got down to business things would change but you can't force people to understand, they either get it or they don't.

Nobody is laughing louder than the cartels for the effects they are having on Americans and tourism in Mexico. They are hitting the government where it hurts -in the wallet. The best message to send is the one Mexicans are sending and that is that "life goes on." I respect them for that. So should everyone else.

Come to the Zona, get laid, enjoy the ambiance and then go home. Keep your wits about you, don't do anything stupid, respect the laws of the land. The same advice handed out for the past 100 years when visiting here.

Efjayel
05-21-09, 08:35
Cj, you're my idol!

Well spoken words.

Country John
05-26-09, 00:46
Cj, you're my idol!

Well spoken words.

I never got a slick map done the way you did though a real contribution to this board, but thanks anyway.

I spent a very nice Sunday on Revolution with my girl. We walked from one Mariachi show at the arch to another at the Hotel Cesar. Revolution was flooded with tourists who were walking around the place, visiting shops, enjoying the music etc. The pussy was amazing. Some very very nice looking eye candy out there.

Cops were there but low profile, things looked like they were well under control. A very pleasant day. Almost like a normal tourist filled day in TJ.

Some people get it, those that stayed home don't and they missed out on what was a fabulously culturally rich afternoon in Mexico. Beautiful stuff.

The people who work tirelessly here to cater to the tourist traffic deserve better support and the city is working very hard to help them out. I hope this is the start of something good and I look forward to seeing what develops.

Country John

Double
05-27-09, 19:31
What is it that I am missing?

How is it that mongering in any way celebrates Mexico's rich culture. I would think that universities, libraries, museums, churches, old sites in the cities, restaurants, malls and many other areas of interest would be more reflective of the rich culture of TJ or Mexico for that matter.
Some things of interest:

The magic city of Oaxaca, Mexico and it's many sites.
The Baroque Cathedrals
The Zocalo in el DF
Plaza de Garabaldi
Palenque
San Blas
Las Ruinas in El Estado de Mexico
Mexico City Museum of Anthro. and Art

While Mexico is having some problems but the country is rich with culture. However, *****s and mongers are not the things that Mexico holds up as something to be proud of. By opening ones eyes to the richness and beauty of things other than the zona and the *****s of Mexico one might be able to enjoy the richness of the countries culture. It is just hard for me to believe that the best of Mexico is going to be found in TJ or the zona. Perhaps , I just do not get it.

Sound7
05-27-09, 19:40
What is it that I am missing?

How is it that mongering in any way celebrates Mexico's rich culture. I would think that universities, libraries, museums, churches, old sites in the cities, restaurants, malls and many other areas of interest would be more reflective of the rich culture of TJ or Mexico for that matter.
Some things of interest:

The magic city of Oaxaca, Mexico and it's many sites.
The Baroque Cathedrals
The Zocalo in el DF
Plaza de Garabaldi
Palenque
San Blas
Las Ruinas in El Estado de Mexico
Mexico City Museum of Anthro. and Art

While Mexico is having some problems but the country is rich with culture. However, *****s and mongers are not the things that Mexico holds up as something to be proud of. By opening ones eyes to the richness and beauty of things other than the zona and the *****s of Mexico one might be able to enjoy the richness of the countries culture. It is just hard for me to believe that the best of Mexico is going to be found in TJ or the zona. Perhaps , I just do not get it.

Not Canadian.

Efjayel
05-27-09, 23:19
What is it that I am missing?

How is it that mongering in any way celebrates Mexico's rich culture. I would think that universities, libraries, museums, churches, old sites in the cities, restaurants, malls and many other areas of interest would be more reflective of the rich culture of TJ or Mexico for that matter.
Some things of interest:

The magic city of Oaxaca, Mexico and it's many sites.
The Baroque Cathedrals
The Zocalo in el DF
Plaza de Garabaldi
Palenque
San Blas
Las Ruinas in El Estado de Mexico
Mexico City Museum of Anthro. and Art

While Mexico is having some problems but the country is rich with culture. However, *****s and mongers are not the things that Mexico holds up as something to be proud of. By opening ones eyes to the richness and beauty of things other than the zona and the *****s of Mexico one might be able to enjoy the richness of the countries culture. It is just hard for me to believe that the best of Mexico is going to be found in TJ or the zona. Perhaps , I just do not get it.


True but this site is not about the culture, history and beautiful sight seeing landmarks of Mexico. It's mostly about mongering.

But what you said is true. Which is why I also made a footnote about touristing Mexico on my map.

Double
05-27-09, 23:45
Mongering is the purpose

This is the Crime, Safety and Police,

I wrote the last post because there have been references made towards people that have warned mongers and other readers against making the decision to go south without understand or considering that there is an extremely dangerous element out there that has caused harm to others, even murder.

It appears that those that are cautious are considered afraid, or something to this end "Some people get it, those that stayed home don't and they missed out on what was a fabulously culturally rich afternoon ". Life does not revolve around TJ, and those that do not happen to be there, well hell they are just not there-it is not that they do not get it. Maybe it was just not in the plans.

It is just spin I guess, but I have encountered many people that loose perspective and think that anyone that sees things differently is missing the point and just does not get it. Something like Dick Cheney and his perspective on torture. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then shoot. Whoops! wrong duck.

Everybody sees life from where they are sitting, and that is okay. ;->

Efjayel
05-28-09, 02:34
Tj is unsafe but no more unsafe than walking around any downtown area of just about any major city in the US. People don't seem to understand that. Seems like they want to hear that it's 100% crime free or else they won't go. Well good luck and keep waiting.

Sound7
05-28-09, 05:44
Tj is unsafe but no more unsafe than walking around any downtown area of just about any major city in the US. People don't seem to understand that. Seems like they want to hear that it's 100% crime free or else they won't go. Well good luck and keep waiting.

Personal security is designed around the projected threat level and anticipated targets. Accurate reporting in the news with access to police reports help build confidence in the public and tourist. Security program provide assurance of “doing the best under the circumstances.”
Not promoting the hiring of “Security Consultant” to access the daily risk in TJ. Accurate reporting on TJ crime would be a good start for assurance.

TJ Tourist Threat Level ?

100% Tourist Threat Free ... Low (Green Color)?

80 % Tourist Threat Free ... Guraded ?


US @ Yellow Level
Some US Cities very high crime rate and to be avoided
* Color-coded Threat Level System is used to communicate with public safety officials and the public at-large through a threat-based, color-coded system so that protective measures can be implemented to reduce the likelihood or impact of an attack.

Homeland Security Advisory System
Current Threat Level

May 27, 2009

* The United States government's national threat level is Elevated, or Yellow.
* For all domestic and international flights, the U.S. threat level is High, or Orange. See the Transportation Security Administration for up-to-date information on items permitted and prohibited on airlines.

Recommended Activities

* All Americans should continue to be vigilant, take notice of their surroundings, and report suspicious items or activities to local authorities immediately.
*
Everyone should establish an emergency preparedness kit and emergency plan for themselves and their family, and stay informed about what to do during an emergency.

About the Homeland Security Advisory System
Homeland Security Advisory System

The Homeland Security Advisory System is designed to guide our protective measures when specific information to a particular sector or geographic region is received. It combines threat information with vulnerability assessments and provides communications to public safety officials and the public.

* Homeland Security Threat Advisories contain actionable information about an incident involving, or a threat targeting, critical national networks or infrastructures or key assets.
* Homeland Security Information Bulletins communicate information of interest to the nation’s critical infrastructures that do not meet the timeliness, specificity, or significance thresholds of warning messages.
* Color-coded Threat Level System is used to communicate with public safety officials and the public at-large through a threat-based, color-coded system so that protective measures can be implemented to reduce the likelihood or impact of an attack.

This system was established in Homeland Security Presidential Directive 3.

Country John
05-28-09, 21:11
Nice post sound7. The US government however has no way to teach common folk common sense. It would be very interesting to survey how many "common folk" would even understand the DHS color system, let alone the rules, reg's and recommendations regarding travel.

Tourists are accustomed to having everything laid out nice and neatly for them so they are not required to think, assess, calculate etc. Otherwise it wouldn't be much of a vacation would it? People go on vacation to get away from having to think. This doesn't mean that they are right, of course, but that's what the game has been for the leisure industry, and that's what tourists are used to.

People (American tourists in particular) want to hear from someone they trust that everything is OK now and the coast is perfectly clear, it is perfectly safe and there is no threat. Fat chance eh? It has never been that way and it never will. Life on this planet will never be that way.

People in general need to toughen up and use common sense. The government has no choice but to cover its ass when there is trouble.

It's OK to come to Mexico, really. And thanks again for posting the info.

Country John

Sound7
05-29-09, 00:59
TJ Green to Orange Zones:?
During Day light only.
Border via yellow/white & red cab?
Av Revolution between First and Sixth.
AB,HK & very limited surrounding area
******Be on guard for pick pocketing and being overcharged for drinks. money change and excessive alcohol.**************************
Minimize walking and talking to street strangers (24/7).
Use cab point-to-point (24/7).

TJ Blue to Orange Zones:
TJ limited tourist area & cultural center during the day time only.

TJ Yellow to Red Zones:
8pm to 11 pm
Border via yellow/white-red cab ?
Av Revolution between First and Sixth (limited area)
AB, HK, Chicago area

TJ Orange to Red Zones:
11 pm to 5am
AB, HK, Chicago surrounding area.


TJ Red Zone:
Alley
USA-TJ border crossover bridge walkway (24/7).
TJ City at night.
Poor judgment and behavior choices.

Options: Use a cab for point-to-point from an established location. Learn to make choices to lower threat levels. Read the previous blogs.

Common Sense: Hard to follow plan when under influence and automatic behavior influence kicks in. Being sober and drug free might help in coping with difficult situations by making better choices. Be safe and happy.

Over Lapping Zones: Personal choices or behavior

CJ common sense is the key as you have indicated in various posting and crime is prevalent around the world. Having the right timely information is key anywhere in the world. I hope I have captured what have indicated about TJ being safe based on personal choices one makes, no matter where one is in this world. Zones Blue to Red exist in every city in the world with very few exceptions.



Nice post sound7. The US government however has no way to teach common folk common sense. It would be very interesting to survey how many "common folk" would even understand the DHS color system, let alone the rules, reg's and recommendations regarding travel.

Tourists are accustomed to having everything laid out nice and neatly for them so they are not required to think, assess, calculate etc. Otherwise it wouldn't be much of a vacation would it? People go on vacation to get away from having to think. This doesn't mean that they are right, of course, but that's what the game has been for the leisure industry, and that's what tourists are used to.

People (American tourists in particular) want to hear from someone they trust that everything is OK now and the coast is perfectly clear, it is perfectly safe and there is no threat. Fat chance eh? It has never been that way and it never will. Life on this planet will never be that way.

People in general need to toughen up and use common sense. The government has no choice but to cover its ass when there is trouble.

It's OK to come to Mexico, really. And thanks again for posting the info.

Country John

Midwest33
06-10-09, 06:44
One issue I have with Tijuana these days is you can never pick your cab anymore. They work on some socialistic system where they rotate, and the next guy in line, he's your cabbie, so they all get some business. Sounds good. But there's some traits I like in cabbies:

Now keep in mind; I have been mugged, after taking a taxi libre. Never taken one again. I always take the yellow cabs--but still I have concerns.

The following rules for me would guide how I would pick a cabbie--if I could pick one.

1. Small. I like cabbies that look poor, and look like they've been driving a cab, not working out.

2. Not too eager. You really, really, want my business? Makes me scared. I'd rather pick the guy who was taking a nap.

I'd like to make friends with a few cabbies, and then, always use them, tip well, and know I'm going to get from point a to point be safely while talking to a friend that I know.

Lots of luck with the new system. Under the new system I always get stuck with the guy first in line, the guy most eager, etc. Any suggestions on how I can say, no, no, guy in front, I want that one instead--let me know.

Efjayel
06-10-09, 11:26
One issue I have with Tijuana these days is you can never pick your cab anymore. They work on some socialistic system where they rotate, and the next guy in line, he's your cabbie, so they all get some business. Sounds good. But there's some traits I like in cabbies:

Now keep in mind; I have been mugged, after taking a taxi libre. Never taken one again. I always take the yellow cabs--but still I have concerns.

The following rules for me would guide how I would pick a cabbie--if I could pick one.

1. Small. I like cabbies that look poor, and look like they've been driving a cab, not working out.

2. Not too eager. You really, really, want my business? Makes me scared. I'd rather pick the guy who was taking a nap.

I'd like to make friends with a few cabbies, and then, always use them, tip well, and know I'm going to get from point a to point be safely while talking to a friend that I know.

Lots of luck with the new system. Under the new system I always get stuck with the guy first in line, the guy most eager, etc. Any suggestions on how I can say, no, no, guy in front, I want that one instead--let me know.


Well you can just walk up to the cabbie you want. I really doubt he will turn you away. I never seen them rotate cause as far as I know, they get paid from the customers they pick up. No pick ups, no money. Simple as that. Which is why they are constantly begging for customers. I find it strange that they would rotate.

Please share your cab mugging experience so we can all learn from it.

Midwest33
06-10-09, 12:43
Well you can just walk up to the cabbie you want. I really doubt he will turn you away. I never seen them rotate cause as far as I know, they get paid from the customers they pick up. No pick ups, no money. Simple as that. Which is why they are constantly begging for customers. I find it strange that they would rotate.On the way in, they appear to rotate. There's always a cab driver standing out front who points at you and says taxi.

You can't stand there, deliberate for a few minutes, and then pick one on the sides, who didn't say anything.

So if you behave like all the other passengers, it's them doing the picking, not you.

And yes, they rotate. They take turns being the guy standing in front. Did you ever notice there aren't three taxi drivers standing in front saying taxi? Why not? Usually there will be one or two standing in front, and they'll discuss who's turn it is before you even walk up.


Please share your cab mugging experience so we can all learn from it.It was over five years ago. I was offered the opportunity to split the $5 cab fee for a taxi libre. A guy walked up to me and said, hey, want to split a cab? I'm like, why not.

There was construction going on building the taxi drop off point you see now. There was a gap in the wall there, and beneath there is a road. I was dropped off by this gap, still within walking distinace to the border. The guy offering to share a cab with me pulled a knife and got a couple hundred dollars cash, and my watch. He then jumped through the gap in construction and walked down to the road below, where the same cab that dropped me off met him.

Member #4450
06-10-09, 23:40
It was over five years ago. I was offered the opportunity to split the $5 cab fee for a taxi libre. A guy walked up to me and said, hey, want to split a cab? I'm like, why not.

There was construction going on building the taxi drop off point you see now. There was a gap in the wall there, and beneath there is a road. I was dropped off by this gap, still within walking distinace to the border. The guy offering to share a cab with me pulled a knife and got a couple hundred dollars cash, and my watch. He then jumped through the gap in construction and walked down to the road below, where the same cab that dropped me off met him.

Was the guy that mugged you a local from TJ?
I never ever share a taxi with no one .
Taxi libre has the worse drivers I found. Some had gang tattoos others drive too fast and dangerous, I rather take the yellow cabs, older and more professional.
At one time in my way back from AB I took a yellow cab and I sit in the front seat at the same time some guy jumped on the back seat and he said he was an inspector checking on the drivers so I tried to open the door to get out and couldn't because the freaking doors have no inside handles for whatever reason.
So I told the cab driver to not drive off yet that I forgot my wallet in the hotel room and to let me out to go get it, so he opened the door and got out and I took another cab.
Anyway, they knew if they were trying to rob me i had no wallet. which of course it was BS, I had my wallet with me all the time.

Midwest33
06-11-09, 02:42
Was the guy that mugged you a local from TJ?
I never ever share a taxi with no one.

Taxi libre has the worse drivers I found. Some had gang tattoos others drive too fast and dangerous, I rather take the yellow cabs, older and more professional.

At one time in my way back from AB I took a yellow cab and I sit in the front seat at the same time some guy jumped on the back seat and he said he was an inspector checking on the drivers so I tried to open the door to get out and couldn't because the freaking doors have no inside handles for whatever reason.

So I told the cab driver to not drive off yet that I forgot my wallet in the hotel room and to let me out to go get it, so he opened the door and got out and I took another cab.
Anyway, they knew if they were trying to rob me i had no wallet. which of course it was BS, I had my wallet with me all the time.Some yellow cab drivers have tattoos as well, at least on their hands since they all wear long sleave shirts.

Like I said, I'd rather be able to pick. The stand at the border on the way in, and the stand at Adelitas--neither lets you pick. And since everywhere else is a public place, the cabs are the most worrysome point of the trip.

Double
07-09-09, 16:49
Any tourist turn up dead in T town as of late.....have you been watching the news or reading the paper? More dead tourist-they must have been involved in drugs, right?

Some people win the lottery, others get murdered in Mexico.

Country John
07-09-09, 22:54
Any tourist turn up dead in T town as of late.....have you been watching the news or reading the paper? More dead tourist-they must have been involved in drugs, right?

Some people win the lottery, others get murdered in Mexico.

There have been no incidents involving tourists except where tourists might have been mis-behaving. They would have had to deal with the cops or the narcos depending on their deeds.

Unless "tourists" are involved int he drug trade, they have very little to worry about. For tourists, the danger is no greater than that to which they are exposed in the USA. There is no reason (except for the Southern California Retailers and Merchants Association black PR) for tourists to stay away from Mexico in general or Tujuana in particular.

Country John

Double
07-11-09, 04:57
Tijuana is a hole in the sewer. The police are out of control. They murder at will. They are savages, and it is best to stay out of this city. Anyone that must is more than welcome to truck right across the border. We will be seeing another couple of murdered souls again soon, gauranteed.

A $60 piece of p**** is not worth your life. :-(

Amerioca
07-11-09, 05:23
Tijuana is a hole in the sewer. The police are out of control. They murder at will. They are savages, and it is best to stay out of this city. Anyone that must is more than welcome to truck right across the border. We will be seeing another couple of murdered souls again soon, gauranteed.

A $60 piece of p**** is not worth your life. :-(

The last dozen murders were drug related. In addition, were committed by cartel members. Thus far, all of the victims were involved in the droga racket. If you keep your nose clean, and fly low, all will be tranquilo.

I am feeling nostalgic, and wish the cartel would come back to whack more policia. I never felt more safe on the streets of TJ, as there were no policia to be seen. Yes, fond memories...

Double
07-12-09, 04:09
I guess that means that the tourist that was found shot dead in TJ was a cartel memeber or a drug dealer of some sort?

Hey, all I know is that Americans are crossing the border and they are not coming back. Perhaps the news story was all wrong, or maybe what I saw on the tele is not real and I should just take your word for it.

American shot dead in TJ while buying p*****, that is no way to go.

Nothing wrong with mongering imho. I just do not believe that TJ is the same city that is was. It is not safe. The catch 22 is that the police are the ones that are responsible-how do you defend yourself against crooked cops that will kill for a couple of dollars?

Efjayel
07-12-09, 20:51
I guess that means that the tourist that was found shot dead in TJ was a cartel memeber or a drug dealer of some sort?

Hey, all I know is that Americans are crossing the border and they are not coming back. Perhaps the news story was all wrong, or maybe what I saw on the tele is not real and I should just take your word for it.

American shot dead in TJ while buying p*****, that is no way to go.

Nothing wrong with mongering imho. I just do not believe that TJ is the same city that is was. It is not safe. The catch 22 is that the police are the ones that are responsible-how do you defend yourself against crooked cops that will kill for a couple of dollars?

First of all you're paranoid and are trying to pass your paranoia along to other mongers. Bad idea. Second you mention the death of a tourist but show us no proof of the death. You also say, "Americans are crossing the border and they are not coming back," as if tourists entering Tj are wiped from the face of the earth and are never heard from again. You mention that the tourist that was killed was there solely to "buy pussy" and that it was crooked cops that killed him over pocket change.

Where exactly did you get all this information and can you back it up?

I understand you don't feel safe in Tj and that it's no longer the bustling little sex haven of yore but it seems you preffer to add your own theories without knowing the actual facts. That's irrational thinking that leads only to bad results. I'm sorry but I can't stand close minded people.

Country John
07-12-09, 22:53
Tijuana is a hole in the sewer. The police are out of control. They murder at will. They are savages, and it is best to stay out of this city. Anyone that must is more than welcome to truck right across the border. We will be seeing another couple of murdered souls again soon, gauranteed.

A $60 piece of p**** is not worth your life. :-(

Sounds like a press release from the Southern California Merchants and Retailer association.

The reality is quite different however. This post lacks the specifics needed to give it credibility and anyone familiar with Tijuana would immediatly see that it is inaccurate.

It's easy to write posts like the above because it doesn't require deep thinking or much experience. Mongers need to realize that common sense is all that is needed to get along here.

Double
07-12-09, 23:18
I have had many good times in TJ. Many of the supporters of the TJ page seem to be well versed in travel to TJ. They can offer great advise on how to get there and back in one piece. I do realize that there is still a Zona Rosa. The ladies are still in the alley, and in the clubs. The tacos are still great. The women are still there, and some very beautiful woman. I just feel like TJ is a mercenary seen. You really should be experienced to go there. It is not the place for drunks, addicts, and naive kids.

I did editorialize a little in my post.

Suggestions for a safe trip;
-go with a friend or partner.
-do not go if you do not have sufficient money.
-be respectfull of everyone, or leave them alone.
-blend in, do not be loud and drunk.
-do not cause a stir.
-tip when appropriate. do not cause il will by being tight.
-do not get involved with the little street huslers that come up and try to sell you ladies, massages, ect.
-have a plan-decide what you are going to do and do it. do not change plans because you meet some guide type that wants to show you a new spot.
-no bling. leave the bling behind. blend in.
-use taxi's , you have a plan so have the taxi drive you there. tip and say thank's. taxi's can be very helpfull. do your best to choose you own taxi.
-if there is a problem that involves money think first you may want to let it go an step back to see what is going on. you may be missing something while you are discussing the two dollar diffence in the bill.
-treat the ladies with respect. the ladies apreciate men that have respect, and know how to stay with the boundaries. no matter what you may think she is in control, we are just squirrels trying to get a nut.
-when dealing with the police do not try to explain. find out what they want. maintain your calm-see if a deal can be made-payment. Do not get important, and insult the cop or suggest that you are going to "tell on them". The goal is to make the situation go away so you can assess wheather or not you can continue or should go home.

If it is a real hot situation you will problably know-you can tell when someone has made up their mind.

Midwest33
07-13-09, 16:23
As in like, jeans and a polo or jeans and a t-shirt? Mexicans don't really wear T-shirts, and they say "I'm an American" because of the English writing all over it. Polos either tend to be name-brand or look bad. Mexican men usually wear cheap, non-brand button down shirts--but not T shirts. To blend in, is it better to look like a tourist in a T-shirt or to expect Mexicans to know that most poor Americans (like myself) wear brand name clothes?

Dylan
07-13-09, 22:20
Sounds like a press release from the Southern California Merchants and Retailer association.CJ,

Again, you're like the 'wise old sage' of this board.

Personally, I have always thought that the 'trouble' in Tijuana was exaggerated in the press, as far as tourists ever being involved. I recently returned to SoCal from Texas, and was reading all the L. A. Times reports, and also checking the USA State Department website for travel advisories.

They all advised not to travel to the border cites, etc., but once I got down there, it was different. I just think a person has to see for himself.

I've always found that the USA Reports were never really the actual reality of life at street level in any place that I've ever traveled, even in Cambodia.

(although there was this one very scary tuk-tuk ride going to a neighborhood brothel down some gravel road.)

Of course, anything can happen. When I go to Tijuana, I go into 'street wise mode' as if I'm in any dangerous city in the USA. New Orleans on the street on a dark night can be just as scary. Maybe because I expect to be mugged it never happens? I'm not sure.

Since I've found the 'safety' reports to be inaccurate, it makes me wonder if the repeated reports of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) have also been exaggerated. I've always been on the lookout for that in order to avoid contributing to it in any way; they say that Tijuana is one of the main conduits for trafficking, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Ok, just my $.02, if it's worth even that!

Dylan

Dylan
07-13-09, 22:24
As in like, jeans and a polo or jeans and a t-shirt? Mexicans don't really wear T-shirts, and they say "I'm an American" because of the English writing all over it. Polos either tend to be name-brand or look bad. Mexican men usually wear cheap, non-brand button down shirts--but not T shirts. To blend in, is it better to look like a tourist in a T-shirt or to expect Mexicans to know that most poor Americans (like myself) wear brand name clothes?Unless you look Mexican, they're going to spot you as a Gringo from a block away. Just wear low-key clothing, something cool - those brothel bars get rather warm when all the O2 gets depleted.

As someone else has already posted, just be polite and respectful, and you'll have a blast. It's a wonderful, sleazy place.

Phordphan
07-13-09, 23:58
As in like, jeans and a polo or jeans and a t-shirt? Mexicans don't really wear T-shirts, and they say "I'm an American" because of the English writing all over it. Polos either tend to be name-brand or look bad. Mexican men usually wear cheap, non-brand button down shirts--but not T shirts. To blend in, is it better to look like a tourist in a T-shirt or to expect Mexicans to know that most poor Americans (like myself) wear brand name clothes?

Unless you look like a Mexican, you're going to stick out. Jeans and a generic button shirt are fine. Buy a guayabera shirt if you want to try to blend. :)

Don't worry about it.

Dickhead
07-14-09, 02:34
American shot dead in TJ while buying p*****, that is no way to go.

It beats dying in a nursing home, to my way of thinking.

Amerioca
07-14-09, 02:35
I guess that means that the tourist that was found shot dead in TJ was a cartel memeber or a drug dealer of some sort?

Hey, all I know is that Americans are crossing the border and they are not coming back. Perhaps the news story was all wrong, or maybe what I saw on the tele is not real and I should just take your word for it.

American shot dead in TJ while buying p*****, that is no way to go.

Nothing wrong with mongering imho. I just do not believe that TJ is the same city that is was. It is not safe. The catch 22 is that the police are the ones that are responsible-how do you defend yourself against crooked cops that will kill for a couple of dollars?

I'm not aware of any innocent tourist/tourists being shot down, as of recent. If you have a link to the news report, please post.

This morning, on my way back to the border, I scanned the front page of Frontera newspaper. Last night, two Policia Municipal were gunned down and killed. Also, if I read it correctly, four other Policia were shot, but survived.

Last night, I had a blast at ABs. Ran into brother Quasi King, and breifed him on my session. Tomorrow, off to Rio! Keep your nose clean, and stay low. Life is good.

Gilgamesh
07-15-09, 04:54
Any tourist turn up dead in T town as of late.....have you been watching the news or reading the paper? More dead tourist-they must have been involved in drugs, right?

Some people win the lottery, others get murdered in Mexico.

Well I do know someone who hit lotto recently.
As far as tourists, A buddy of mine wanted to know about the young kids three weeks ago who lost their friend in a "dance club" to find her later in a car heading back to the US. Her dead body filled with drugs and three cartel types? It sounded like BS and we've go no stories from the paper, but it was a person well known to some of my friends who was with the girl.
Probably just a RUMOR, but I was told about it last night and came in here to read what's been happening. I'd actually be more worried if it's true, not because of the danger in TJ, but for a lack of a story in Google searches.

Country John
07-15-09, 18:35
CJ,

Again, you're like the 'wise old sage' of this board.

Personally, I have always thought that the 'trouble' in Tijuana was exaggerated in the press, as far as tourists ever being involved. I recently returned to SoCal from Texas, and was reading all the L. A. Times reports, and also checking the USA State Department website for travel advisories.

They all advised not to travel to the border cites, etc., but once I got down there, it was different. I just think a person has to see for himself.

I've always found that the USA Reports were never really the actual reality of life at street level in any place that I've ever traveled, even in Cambodia.

(although there was this one very scary tuk-tuk ride going to a neighborhood brothel down some gravel road.)

Of course, anything can happen. When I go to Tijuana, I go into 'street wise mode' as if I'm in any dangerous city in the USA. New Orleans on the street on a dark night can be just as scary. Maybe because I expect to be mugged it never happens? I'm not sure.

Since I've found the 'safety' reports to be inaccurate, it makes me wonder if the repeated reports of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) have also been exaggerated. I've always been on the lookout for that in order to avoid contributing to it in any way; they say that Tijuana is one of the main conduits for trafficking, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

Ok, just my $.02, if it's worth even that!

Dylan

If agencies and organizations who monitor such things do not err on the side of caution, they are frightened that they'll be held liable if something does "happen."

Unfortunately, America does not have a decent track record of holding people responsible for failure to exercise common sense. If DHS doesn't tell you that a satellite might fall out of the sky and hit you on the head then they're not covering their ass because if it does happen and they failed to take all reasonable steps to warn you then attorneys can open a new vein of gold.

It's interesting to note that NOWHERE on the US governments travel advisory notices will you find any warnings about travel in the United States. I wonder what we should tell people who are interested in visiting the States about safety when traveling in high risk areas, about the drug trade, drug violence, kidnappings, child abductions, scams, abusive police, corrupt government etc.

I remember when driving on the freeway could get you killed and even in recent years there have been random killings of innocent motorists on Southern California freeways as well as other areas of the country like Georgia and Florida. That shit does not happen much in Mexico.

The best place to have wanton disregard for the failure to exercise common sense is when you are in bed, so far under the covers that there isn't even a lump in the bed. Maybe you could get up and go to the bathroom every once in a while but make sure you read all the warning labels on everything you use because "something" might happen.

If you plan on venturing outside just remember that it is a perilous world we live in and you'd better have your insurance in place on your life, your car, your house and your work. Read all the labels before using anything, and check with your attorney before doing or saying anything because you never know; "something" might happen.

Common sense is "common" because the basics are things everyone should be familiar with; don't touch a hot stove, don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) into the wind etc. Personal security in Mexico is very much a common sense matter, the same as in the good old USA except in Mexico, the cops, the military and the narcotraficantes have taken their fight to the streets. The narcotraficantes realize that attacking tourists does not further their goals because it's not the tourists who are turning up the heat on them, it's the government.

You might say: "Yes Country John, but there are more bad guys in Mexico than in the USA." to which I would call bullshit. Bad guys are bad guys. As in any part of the world, when you walk the back streets at night you expose yourself to a higher level of risk and therefore you are responsible for exercising a higher standard of care when it comes to "common sense" and personal security. If you fail to do this, blaming the good people of Mexico for the result is an injustice to them and a denial on your part of where the responsibility really lies.

Retail in America is suffering from a lack of confidence on the part of the American consumer. I'm certain that people are becoming increasingly aware of the fact that they were paying out good money for crap too. Society became a "throw away" society and Walmart figured out that, in many cases, it's cheaper for you to buy another one instead of going through the hassle of returning the piece of shit.

I'm glad people are finally figuring this stuff out.

Well, Mexico still offers a substantial savings over the shit you buy State-side and they got great accommodations, food, beautiful scenery, world class service and an excellent attitude. They are also doing much more to root out narcotraficantes than people are willing to give them credit for; people are dying in the effort.

American retail wants you to stay home and spend your money at the mall, not travel to Mexico. They want you scared shit-less. They want you to think the worst. So they take an incident and make it sound like the bad guys were actually looking for you but found these victims instead.

I don't mean to rant, it just happens from time to time and this one of those times.

My advice is to get the common sense stuff working for you and enjoy your trip. If American retail deserved your money, they would have been taking better care of you as a consumer a long time ago.

The good people of Mexico know they have a problem. What they need is a bit of encouragement, an acknowledgment that people recognize their hard work and a bit of support for the immense effort they put into making your vacation enjoyable.

Crooks are crooks, but you already know that. Remember that you're going to run into them anywhere. You might be a crook. The waiter who short changes you a few bucks, the girl who changes the deal in the room, this is what you should expect from dealing with the bars and the girls. You don't get that treatment generally in Mexico. The service is outstanding on a normal routine.

Be safe and be nice
Country John

Bunky
07-18-09, 17:02
As others have noted, the locals can sport a Norteamericano a mile away. So trying to pass for a Tijuana resident is futile. As for blending in with others who patronize the Zona Norte, a good place to start would be leaving your shorts at home. I favor Dockers or similar trousers because they are a little dressier than jeans, but they don't scream rich tourist. Dockers also feature thinner fabric than jeans, which comes in handy if you're sitting with a girl and she's inclined to give Mr. Wood some manual attention. As for shirts, I favor short sleeve shirts with buttons and a pocket. Again, slightly dressier than a golf shirt without being too much. The pocket is a handy place to keep a few dollars easily accessible when I sitting down. That way I can pay the waiters without flashing a big bank roll.

Bunky

Dylan
07-19-09, 01:55
As others have noted, the locals can sport a Norteamericano a mile away. So trying to pass for a Tijuana resident is futile. As for blending in with others who patronize the Zona Norte, a good place to start would be leaving your shorts at home.

BunkyHmmm, I dunno about the 'no shorts' thing. I accept the fact that as a large white man with red hair, the 'blending in' thing just doesn't work for me at all, so I like to be comfortable in those hot places, even if I stand out.

I love wearing the shorts, because I've been getting the girls to reach up the shorts/pants leg to attend to 'Mr. Happy'.

It's fun.

Dylan