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Skinless
02-10-04, 22:16
the traveler

i would imagine they are referring to your apparent involvement with **** women/girls. that is one thing some people always steered very clear of. that is the core of the problem some people have with you, i think.

Sainter
02-10-04, 22:36
traveller, a **** is someone who targets all kids below the age of 18 years(or 16 depending on the country). that is the generally accepted rule by which we live. what you are saying is that someone who targets 13 - 14 years olds is not a ****. that is an incorrect assumption. and if ever you were to indulge in this sort of activity, you'd be risking a very long jail term. :(

The Traveler
02-10-04, 23:08
sainter

nope, you got me wrong. these were just examples.
a google search reveals the definition of a **** as "a person which is sexually attracted predominantly by preadolescent children."
the american psychiatric association defines ****philia as "a **** is a person who over at least a 6 month period has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger)."

i have none of the above mentioned attributes and a 16 or 17yr old who is working as a hooker by her own choice and is lying about her age can't be called preadolescent or prepubescent. nevertheless, i do not target ****d girls, but everybody of us is running into them from time to time.

have fun

The Traveler
02-10-04, 23:31
skinless

thanks for the hint :) but bil only tries to detract from his obviously unsocial comments! therefore i kept on track and did not fall for it like freeler :( (sorry man)

the whole thing started about bil's cold hearted and ugly comment about donations to an orphanage! this had nothing to do with the fact that i ran - like everybody else in this forum does from time to time - into some ****d girls. you and freeler might be the only exceptions since both of you are preferring old tarts.

if i would have placed the pics in question without giving their real age, nobody would have doubt it. i could easily have said that they are 18, 19 or 20yrs old, it's just too hard to rate them. if anybody claims that he never had an ****d girl, then he is just lying. maybe some people do not know cause they do not care and never ask about their age or just give shit. i asked and they lied about it, i just found out after the fact when i put some money into their purse and saw their id. there is no way not to get cheated by them. even an id might be faked or lend from a friend or relative. so all people who blame me for not lying about it should be very careful to do so. they probably had ****d girls as well.

anyway, we are talking about 16 and 17yr old prostitutes and i posted those pics - besides many others with legal aged 20+yrs girls - as a warning for others so that they can stay away from trouble with the thai authorities. calling me a **** is just adding to bil's long record of flaming and of course, i find it quite offending.

have fun

JuiceSpike
02-11-04, 01:04
guys,

this discussion about "****" and ****s thing is getting old. it is impossible to point fingers at anyone in here (i.e. traveler). making accusations without proof makes no sense. for all we know traveler could have taken those pictures of those "****" girls and never had sex with them and posted them in here for whatever reason.

if there are any ****s in here i have this to say: you are a sad fucker.

move on guys.

juice

Joe Zop
02-11-04, 06:10
nope, that would be an iraqi weapon of mass destruction :d

i'm with juice on this one -- enough already. traveler, i'm reasonably certain i've managed to steer clear of the ****, but it's mostly because i tend to back away if i've the least bit of doubt, and because i frankly prefer women at least in their twenties. but your caution is certainly valid, and a lot of guys here who've talked about doing 18-year-olds are certainly basing that on either what they were told or a potentially faked id. we all know that there are numerous places who have and still do hire ****d workers, so it's one of the things you've got to be careful about in los.

Freeler
02-12-04, 05:54
all,

thanks to jackson for deleting the_traveller's false accusation against me!

there is a way to definitely avoid 'accidently' going with **** children: ask for their id.
no id no go!
why would you want to go with people who look like they are children anyway?

the_traveller wrote (02-10-04 21:31, last edited by the_traveler on 02-10-04 at 22:46):
"i just found out after the fact when i put some money into their purse and saw their id."
there is no excuse to 'accidently' go with ****d kids and to find out about it the next morning when you find their id.
means you didn't ask for it!
that is pretty strange for a person who travelled to and in thailand for 20 years and speaks the language very well!

thnx

Bill
02-12-04, 12:59
Freeler,

I saw past Traveller's b.s. a long time ago. He is in no way close to what he portrays himself to be. His actions, however suit him to a T. He is still trying his best to explain his obvious mistakes, lack of comprehension of the english language, and modus operandi. Get ready for another lengthy, and lame excuse for his documented behaviour.

Sainter
02-12-04, 13:40
I hope that we can go at least a week on the Thai board without flames. I guess I must be dreaming. Come on guys, make an effort. Peace. :)

Bill
02-12-04, 14:03
traveller,

these are your words:

"the whole thing started about bil's cold hearted and ugly comment about donations to an orphanage! this had nothing to do with the fact that i ran - like everybody else in this forum does from time to time - into some ****d girls."


again, joe zop's charity is not an orphanage, you dodo. (a dodo is a bird) look it up, or ask your english teacher. (you should fire her by the way). your apology is accepted. if correcting your bumbling use of the english language is flaming you then i am guilty. next time ask for i.d. to avoid being convicted of having sex with ****d girls. a better idea is to keep your youngies- pics private. you opened up a can a worms and noone believes your little stories/explanations. (when you open up a can of worms, they get all over, out of control)

btw, i quoted you so you could not edit your statement.

have a nice day in school :d

Seydlitz
02-12-04, 16:44
guys,

it is now time to stop this stupid flaming war. there is no added value to anybody reading this board and it could even discourage some people to post what the board is all about: information and opinion about tg and the hobby in los. should this nonsense continue, i would urge jackson to enforce a cease-fire in the way he will deem most appropriate.

regarding traveller, whom i met in person a while ago, it is obvious that he has a pretty good opinion of himself. but to be fair, most of that opinion could be seen as rather justified. he actually is and does most of what he wrote about (the chopper, the thai language skill etc.).

maybe he would be better inspired to refrain from being frank and open about himself and deprive us of his well-informed insight of thainess ?

one should keep in mind that in some national cultures, it is accepted to talk about oneself in a matter-of-fact way that could be perceived as bragging in some other cultures such as the us culture that is dominant in this board for example.

as to mastery of the english language, there should be an elementary courtesy extended to those who take the trouble to post relevant and useful information in a language other than their own. as the saying goes " never make fun of someone speaking with an accent. he probably speaks more languages than you do".

as for doing **** girls, the whole debate is way out of proportion. it is certainly wise to check a tg id before rather than after doing the deed, if only for legal reasons. farangs are only tolerated in los, and it is bad karma indeed for us to be on the wrong side of the law over there.

nonetheless, tgs who make themselves available in the trade to farangs usually do so most willingly, and with at least silent consent of their family. should one of them be a few months **** is not the end of the world.

myself, i fail to see why a 17 year old tg would be attractive. i favor the gfi treatment, and slightly more mature ladies (say 21-25) are way more apt at making me happy.

Joe Zop
02-12-04, 17:01
Bravo, Seydlitz -- dead on!

The Traveler
02-12-04, 20:54
freeler

i was never accusing you of taking ****d girls, i said young !
i asked for their ids but they lied about it, saying they forgot it in the room, gave to sister or whatever.
no bad feelings man.


bil

you still do not understand what i say. again, i did not talk about joe zop's charity, i was talking about the orphanage in naklua which i mentioned in my very first post. can i make it more clear ?
you blamed me that english isn't my native tongue but you just proved again that your comprehension of the english language isn't as good as pretended (even worse, cause you seem to be of us origin) or that you aren't able to understand at all even if someone explains it to you in detail more than once. your mind is just too occupied with flaming instead of reading carefully.
at least i do not lie about any mistakes i might have done without intention. i bet that both of us target the same kind of girls but one of us is lying if he has to admit that he was fooled or did wrong.


to all

i apologize to all other members of this forum that i didn't stop that stupid discussion long before and responded to bil.
i won't do it anymore.

Plugger
02-12-04, 22:56
Freeler,

It think it's unfair that you go crying to Jackson to have Traveller's post removed then, post your own accusations against him. That's not playing on a level field. If you feel so strongly about his flames, a simple delete from Jackson would suffice rather than you throwing a few punches after your opponent has his hands tied behing his back.

Time to move on. :)

Admin
02-13-04, 01:32
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Admittedly, the discussion regarding the potential of having an accidental laison with a female person who is under the age of 18 is related to this subject, but I think it's been discussed to exhaustion, so let's just drop it and move on to discussing the more pleasant aspects of visiting Thailand.

Thank You,

Jackson

Sweden
02-13-04, 19:01
Skinless.

Thanks for the reply anyway. You probably don't know some things about Sweden (laws about STD. If you have STD it will be public. I have a wife so this is not a option for me, thats why I cant go to doctor)

But, I'm not in this forum to argue, I just want some friendly advice in a hard situation. you know, I always protect myself but this time, something has happend anyway (bust have been from BBBJ) I think there is other people in the same situation and it helps very much to get support from others. Sorry if this was the wrong forum for this!

Anyway, I can report that OT was great the day I got it, haha. If you are at Ipanema, say hello from Sweden to the bartenders. They all know who I am :-)

The Traveler
02-14-04, 05:55
plugger

thanks for your support, but i do not mind if it was deleted or not.

i would never flame freeler. i respect him for his obviously great knowledge of thailand, funny reports, contribution of valuable infos and surely for the great pics of his beautiful girls :d
this is somewhat different with another guy who uses this forum as a battlefeld and never provided anything valuable.

i only said that even freeler sometimes likes to take young(er) girls and was referring to a post where he was talking about a 23yr old chick. freeler is very famous for targeting old tarts and there seem to be a competition between him and skinless going on about who is going to get the oldest and/or ugliest ho available :d due to that fact i also stated that skinless and freeler might be the only exception to the rule that probably everyone of us at least once had an ****d girl, some by intention and some without knowing. so i was wondering how he could misunderstand it.

i stated "young" but his interpretation was "****d". i guess he got me wrong because the discussion was about ****d girls and his mind was just too focused on it.

nevertheless, it's over.


freeler

no flaming intended, no bad feelings towards you.


have fun and live in peace

Skinless
02-14-04, 06:34
Sweden
1. You read my post which I since deleted. I know Sweden reasonably well and I don't need any lectures on the Kingdom of Sweden.
2. Jackson deleted all your posts after I complained about them. You never once gave any information. Not even once. And if you think I want to name drop you to a bunch of selfish anal retentive Swdes (assuming they are like you and not being a Norwegian or anything) you are wrong.
3. You are still in the wrong section.
4. You have previously posted all sorts of questions, many of them looking for free advice about STDs. Never any onformation, only 38 posts full of questions.
5. Most people here know Jack Shit about STDs and none of them are producing any medical certs here. This is the wrong place to get medical advice.
6. People like you who take bs medical advice help to spread these diseases.
7. The Kingdon of Sweden - Jackson maybe countries, towns etc should be disallowed as nics - has a very tough policy on STDs. That is why they eliminated syphilis - but not necessarily in your case. They have anonymous testing because they do not want people like you spreading it.
8. The Kingdom of Sweden most likely do contact tracing - to see who you have been fucking so they can be warned.
9. The Kingdom of Sweden does not give a shit about you as you do not give a shit about your fellow Swedes. They just want to ensure you do not spread your diseases.
10. Because of that, they will allow you to phone up anonymously and make an appointment anonymously and get cured anonymously
11 They want to ensure you use all the medication.
12. Most Swedes are mature people. At least the ones I have fucked have been.
13. Go see a doctor at an STD clinic now - or when the Saturday clinics open up.
14. If this is just one of your information fishing exercises, then go away permanently.

Traveller
1. What the fuck is up with you? Please read Jackson's message, appended below.
2. Freeler and I fuck women of all legal ages.
3. Freeler is far more experienced than me at all levels.
4. We both go there to sexually experiment as well and on my travels Freeler has chastised me for doing too much bonking and not enough tourism. Older women are worth a 200 bt bet in memories alone. Most sex is only putting it into their pussies/mouths so why should age matter to us when it does not to them?
5. You should maybe speak to Joe Zop or Firedick or someone else who has a good handle on where myself and Freeler are coming from.
6. For the record, I find Bangkok and Pattaya awful places. I regard many, if not most, of the tourists there as the shit of the world. I find the posters on the BA board to be infinitely more civilized than the Thai board: so much so that I would consider flying there. And even if Uncle Otto is a &*%)$#), it would be hard not to get annoyed with the refusal of people here to move forward. That is why I am appending Admin's note. He will have to do mass bannings if this shit continues.
7. I am currently watching the Milwaukee board as that is where the best mental action is here now. Everybody should follow the Looking for Lefty saga. It is debates like that that make the WSG worthwhile. No wonder SA fucked off.
8. One of Freeler's pics is worth 20 others. Freeler's tell a story and they are not meant to titillate. There are plenty of porno sites for that.
9. I have to say I was "suprised" certain people did not post in the Child Prostitution section which the ever patient Jackson opened up. To me, that only reinforces Freeler's points. It also makes me very suspicious of some people.


Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Admittedly, the discussion regarding the potential of having an accidental laison with a female person who is under the age of 18 is related to this subject, but I think it's been discussed to exhaustion, so let's just drop it and move on to discussing the more pleasant aspects of visiting Thailand.

Thank You,

Jackson

The Traveler
02-14-04, 07:10
Got a bad day, why that anger ?
You just take me too serious. Calm down and please read my post again and have a look at the smileys :D.

BTW, I did not continue the discussion, just told Plugger what had happened and that I do not mind.

As I already said, it's over !
Leave it that way !

Have fun

Skinless
02-14-04, 07:17
Traveller

It is none of your business how my day is going but, as you ask, it is going well. There is no anger in my post, only exasperation: at Sweden and his agenda and to you, if you are working to an agenda as well.I often post in point form to help people see the points I am trying to make. If I need help in decyphering your smileys, I will ask Freeler or someone else I trust.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 07:34
Skinless

I have no agenda and just trying to tell you that you took me too serious. I think I better stay away from this section till everybody calmed down. I find those fights are a waste of time and useless.

Peace and have fun

Skinless
02-14-04, 07:38
but before you go, maybe post the names and pms of the guys who want the details of **** girls so jackson can ban them. and don't put myself and freeler in that bracket. no if, buts or maybes

..............................................................................................
seydlitz

good to see you are back. hope everything is going well.

i agree with all you said. your post is (as always) very balanced and i appreciate your mature point of view.

i guess i won't post any pics in the future and issue warnings for others. sorry to all those guys who pmed me about more pics and detailed contact info but as you see i can't live in peace then.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 07:51
Skinless

I did not answer them due to obvious reasons and deleted their PMs to me.

Why do you believe that I would name you or Freeler ?
Are you on drugs today :D ?

Seems you can not stop it !
It's over. Leave it that way !
PERIOD

Have fun

Skinless
02-14-04, 07:57
traveller

but before you go, maybe post the names and pms of the guys who want the details of **** girls so jackson can ban them. and don't put myself and freeler in that bracket. no if, buts or maybes

if you think there is anything laughable about this, you are a bigger prick than freeler thinks you are. post the names of the **** wannabes.

Sweden
02-14-04, 08:13
Skinless, you seem to have lots af anger, you must try to talk to your "brothers" in a nice way, that makes respect (even if you dont think we deserve it, haha)...!

I use my fellow freinds words. I think I better stay away from this section till everybody calmed down. I find those fights are a waste of time and useless.

I will be back, then I will post some great stuff about my latest trip to Pattaya.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to correctly spell the words "you", "are" and "because". To avoid delays in future reports, please refrain from using "u" instead of "you", "r" instead or "are", "em" instead of "them", and "cuz" instead of "because", etc. Thanks!

The Traveler
02-14-04, 08:29
Skinless

I do not have them anymore and I do not remember their IDs as well. I DELETED THEM INSTANTLY !!!
I do not want to support any such behaviour. Shit happens sometimes and some guys might run into them by accident, but I DON'T want to help any freaks who target them.

I was laughing about the fact that you might believe that I would name you or Freeler. You should know that I would never do it.

Anyway, can you stop it now ?
I am off. Bye


Have fun and relax

Skinless
02-14-04, 08:31
traveller: you are being called a kiddyfucker. can you guess why?

you say people contact you saying they want to fuck the children you fucked and you cannot remember their names?

if you think there is anything laughable about this, you are a bigger prick than freeler thinks you are. post the names of the **** wannabes.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 08:42
skinless

i do not laugh about the fact that others are after ****d girls !

what do you want me to do ? should i report those guys to my local police ? i don't know shit about them. report them to jackson ? they will come back with a different id. remember, this is an open forum. so why in gods name should i remember their ids ?

btw, those girls choosed to work as hookers, lying about there age. why you blame me for what they do ? i can't change the past and they will go on. you are apparently in thailand, why not walk through the streets and help all those "obviously" ****d prostitutes out of their misery ?

i won't reply to any further posts !

Skinless
02-14-04, 08:44
Traveller: You are being called a kiddyfucker. Can you guess why?

You say people contact you saying they want to fuck the children you fucked and you cannot remember their names? Or even to tell Jackson?

Skinless
02-14-04, 08:47
40. What is SPAM?
Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including:
Discussions of Sex with Minors (under 18)

41. What is the Forum's SPAM Policy?
Spam is not permitted in the Forum at any time or in any form. 1st time transgressors will have the spam message deleted in it's entirety. Repeated violators will have all their posts deleted and lose their posting privileges.

43. How does a Forum Member get banned?
By repeatedly violating the Forum's rules.
By repeatedly posting SPAM.

Pauline Hanson
02-14-04, 09:28
Report deleted by Admin.

Plugger
02-14-04, 09:40
Skinless, that's a very serious allegation you made against Traveller. Where's the proof? There's a fair bit of difference between suspecting someone and actually proving it. For all we know, Traveller could be as innocent and clueless as he appears. Everyone should just take a chill pill. Relax. ;)

The Traveler
02-14-04, 09:42
skinless

what is that all about ?
i can not track them down, you can not track them down and jackson can't do either. there is no way to get their real names or addresses. police won't give shit as well. they committed no crime or at least none that police can prove. is asking for contact info a crime in your country ? do not forget we are talking about 16-17yrs old prostitutes, not kids from a kindergarden.

so what do you want from me ?
i did all i could have done and what makes sense, i did not gave away contact details. any further action would be useless. jackson could ban them from the forum, but they would be back with a different id. why should i remember their ids ?

if you still have doubts and think i am a child molester you could ask seydlitz and tapioca. they were mongering with me in los. tap spent 3 whole vacations with me over 2 months in total. i never had an ****d and never targeted them. just this time i seemed to run into them (three 16-17yrs old out of approx 30 girls in total). bad luck i guess.

and that was definately my last answer !

pm me if you like to discuss that further.

Skinless
02-14-04, 09:49
Traveller: You are being called a kiddyfucker. Can you guess why?

You say people contact you saying they want to fuck the children you fucked and you cannot remember their names?

Traveller: You are being called a kiddyfucker. Can you guess why?

You say people contact you saying they want to fuck the children you fucked and you cannot remember their names? Or even to tell Jackson?

So what do you want from me ?
I did all I could have done and that makes sense, I did not gave away contact details. Any further action would be useless. Jackson could ban them from the forum, but they would be back with a different ID. Why should I remember their IDs ?


40. What is SPAM?
Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including:
Discussions of Sex with Minors (under 18)

41. What is the Forum's SPAM Policy?
Spam is not permitted in the Forum at any time or in any form. 1st time transgressors will have the spam message deleted in it's entirety. Repeated violators will have all their posts deleted and lose their posting privileges.

43. How does a Forum Member get banned?
By repeatedly violating the Forum's rules.
By repeatedly posting SPAM.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 10:00
40. What is SPAM

Spam is defined as postings to the Forum that are contrary to the purpose of the site, including:

Repetitive Postings
Personal Insults & Attacks

Skinless
02-14-04, 10:04
Traveller: Give the names of those who contacted you for child sex or get the fuck off this board

The Traveler
02-14-04, 10:24
Skinless

I do not have them, I do not remember them and the decision for banning me will be up to Jackson.

I used to respect you for your mature approach on most issues and your funny posts, but now you went over the edge. I can not give what I don't have.

BTW, you would make up a nice juror at court. Judging only on evidence.

I would like to ask Jackson to enforce a ceasefire to end that stupid discussion. There is no info in it and most people - me included - will find it boring. You just went on where Bil stopped.

I blame myself for still answering but I find it extremely offending to be called a child molester from persons who do not know shit about me.

Skinless
02-14-04, 10:26
from a freeler post: there is a way to definitely avoid 'accidently' going with **** children: ask for their id. no id no go!...... there is no excuse to 'accidently' go with ****d kids and to find out about it the next morning when you find their id.
means you didn't ask for it! ……that is pretty strange for a person who travelled to and in thailand for 20 years and speaks the language very well!
....................................................................

you obviously do not give a shit about this board because you have put the whole board in jeopardy. someone asks you where can they fuck the kids you fucked and you don't remember who they are???

The Traveler
02-14-04, 10:51
Skinless

please keep things in proportion !

Freeler is absolutely correct that I could have avoided that situation by no ID no GO. I didn't, but keep in mind that also legal aged girls not always carry their ID with them. Even the group of girls I used to stay with (all legal aged and above 20) sometimes forgot their ID, even though they intended to go to disco.

You should know better, real life is somewhat different, people make their decisions based on many circumstances. Do you always - without any single exception - stick to every guidelines and rules ? If yes, hooray you are the first PERFECT person I talk to, but probably alone since you will be the only one in this world.

Take Nu for example, 17yrs old, birthday in a few months. I met her in a bar between all those other girls. Regarding her face, size of body, breasts and the way she acted I had not a single doubt when she told me being 20. Don't forget make-up, light and environment makes it even harder to guess a persons correct age. I am quite sure that no one else would have rated her 17yrs old.
Being honest about it and warn others about this trap is a crime ? Should I have stayed silent and let any fellow monger fall into that trap ? Don't forget, this forum is about info and a warning is an info, much more important than just to point to a place where a cold beer might be 5 baht cheaper.

You and Freeler of course are the only exception because you always ask every single woman for her ID, do you ?

Skinless
02-14-04, 10:58
Someone asks you where can they fuck the kids you fucked and you don't remember who they are???

The Traveler
02-14-04, 11:11
Skinless

If I would know those persons or have met them before I could surely remember, but they are just a Nickname for me. Do you remember where all those spam-mails came from that you received ?

I think the best way to avoid that others - not only forum members - will have sex with those youngsters (a kid is up to 12yrs old I think, but you definately know that better than me) is to report those girls to police. If you are really as upright as you like to claim here than you would have done that, right ?

The Traveler
02-14-04, 11:22
Jackson

is there any way to stop that ?
I am bewildered and shocked by Skinless behaviour and definately feel being personally attacked by those allegations, otherwise I would have stopped answering a long time ago.

I don't see that this discussion leeds to anywhere, there is no valuable info in it and this forum isn't the right place to discuss it further.

We both made our positions quite clear.


You make the rules here so I kindly ask you to end it one way or the other.

Thanks

Skinless
02-14-04, 11:25
If I would know those persons or have met them before I could surely remember, but they are just a Nickname for me. Do you remember where all those spam-mails came from that you received ?

I think the best way to avoid that others - not only forum members - will have sex with those youngsters (a kid is up to 12yrs old, but you definately know that better than me) is to report those girls to police.

Member of this board PM'ed you. Who were they? What could be simpler than that? I did not PM you, Freeler did not. So who did? They are looking at jail sentences.

Read ageofconsent.com to see what the legal age for prostitution in Thailand is. You seem to have broken the law big time . You and the people who Pmed you are the ones in the frame. I intend to keep it that way.


Thailand
I. Ages for legal purposes

Age of simple majority

According to the Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act, " child " means a person who is not
yet over 18 years of age.

IV. Child prostitution


The " Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act ". In this Act " Prostitution " means

" The acceptance of sexual intercourse, the acceptance of any other act, or the commission of any
act for sexual gratification of another person in a promiscuous manner, in order to gain financial or
other benefit, no matter whether the person who accepts such act and the person who commits
such act are of the same or opposite sex "

Section 8 of the " Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act " states

" Whoever, for sexual gratification of that person or of the third person, commits sexual intercourse
or any other act against a person who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years
of age, with or without his or her consent, in a place for prostitution, shall be punished with
imprisonment of one to three years and a fine of twenty thousand to sixty thousand baht.

If the commission of the offence as specified in the first paragraph is committed against a child not
over fifteen (15) years of age, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of two to six years
and a fine of forty thousand to one hundred and twenty thousand baht. "

Plugger
02-14-04, 11:43
skinless, it seems very unusual for you to give him advise yesterday then, suddenly go psycho today. what's changed in 24 hours? the supposed incriminating posts he made was done days ago. i can't understand what's set you off all of a sudden.

traveller, any future pms from mongers looking for ****d kids should be reported. don't turn a blind eye to this bs or, as is happening now, people will suspect you of invovlment in it too.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 11:53
skinless

i see your point but it's useless.
just suppose i could remember their ids, will you go to police to tell them that they should arrest "mr. x" from this forum ? don't be a fool.

on my last trip i went to police to help out a member of this forum because his thai girl-friend had been raped. she even knew who the [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) was and where he lives, just did not know his real name, only his nickname. i also went with her to the hospital for internal examination and took care of her.

do you know what police did ?
they sent her forth and back and did not even went to the apartment of the [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) to get his real name so she can file a lawsuit against him. they gave shit ! it was really depressing.
they questioned her in front of about 40 people (all victims of theft in a hotel) about details of the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), if the guy came off, how many times and so on. no psychiatrist did the questioning, just a normale male police officer.

laws are one thing, enforcement something else.
what crime did those guys carry out ? asking for a phone number or place where to meet a girl ? please go to thai police and tell them that some unknown guy asked about that info. you will see if they care or not. get realistic.

there was nothing i could do except not giving the info i was asked for. everything else would have been useless. i do not like to repeat myself again and again.

live in peace

Skinless
02-14-04, 11:55
we are talking about this forum. people pmed you for **** sex, which caried heavy jail sentences in thailand. and you did nothing.

Seydlitz
02-14-04, 12:00
Skinless,

I would suggest you stop that lynching attempt right now. This is a complete nonsense and a disgrace to this forum.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 12:12
plugger

i will report them from now on, but i doubt that anyone will dare to ask me about it after that lengthy discussion.

i also do not believe that it is of any use. jackson will definately ban them but 5 minutes later they will be back with a new id. that's why i do not remember them and i also totally forgot that reporting them to jackson is an option. just did what i do with spam-mail, i delete it

as long as we can not track them down it is just wasted time. if i would see only the slightest chance to know where they live i would have reported them to the police in the appropriate country. maybe they have some ****philic material on their computers and police can follow their tracks to find more of them. but knowing that i have no way to find them i ignored their requests and deleted the messages as i do with all messages.

running into slightly ****d is a totally different thing than targeting them and trying to get them by intention. i have no sympathy for them and therefore understand that skinless is outraged. but today he just went nuts. he also is just a human being and maybe he needs some time to calm down. it only shows that he isn't perfect, but who is ? probably tomorrow he will be able to discuss it in a totally different way. his almost always objective point of view was and is very appreciated by me. i have no bad feelings towards him.

have fun

The Traveler
02-14-04, 12:44
Skinless

I offer a ceasefire to finally end it.
Let us shake hands and discuss it from face to face in LOS with a cold beer (juice for me). I'll pay the bill.

Hope you agree

Sainter
02-14-04, 13:03
I'll be in LOS next week(I think) and April. I'll buy you both drinks. Even pay for a girl each. Now stop this nonsense guys.

Joe Zop
02-14-04, 14:43
Boy, am I glad I was running around all day yesterday -- that whole exchange was utterly useless nonsense! Skinless, enough already, and Traveler, I suggest you simply refrain from responding any more at all on this topic. The whole thing of who gets the last word in on the subject simply means there end up being far, far too many words.

And this is from a poster who loves lots of words! :D

Freeler
02-14-04, 15:14
to all,

"on my last trip i went to police to help out a member of this forum because his thai girl-friend had been raped."

will this member please contact jackson to confirm this story. it would be very sad if it were a true story we could discuss this event here in more detail.
for now, i am not taking it too seriously,

thnx

Freeler
02-14-04, 15:40
no optional greeting, as i do not greet those who go with **** kids,

i wonder about these pm's you received from other members.
mr. skinless was acting very civilized when he asked you why you did not report those pm's.

"there was nothing i could do except not giving the info i was asked for. everything else would have been useless. i do not like to repeat myself again and again."

you should have reported them instantly, without one second of hesitation to jackson, who - no doubt - would have made the right decision.
but no, you did not. instead you thought: i am not the only kiddyfucker - and you destroyed the evidence.
you are one miserable person!

or did you perhaps lie about those pm's.
you never received them, but you made them up so you can hide behind other members of this forum, and make yourself feel that you are not the only kiddyfucker?
that would make you an even more miserable person!

don't worry,
i will report this post to jackson myself, and ask him if there is a way that he can enlighten us in this matter, simply by checking the board's back-ups.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 15:50
Freeler,

will you say sorry and stop that shit if the person comes forward and confirms this "unbelievable" story ?

I said all that could be said and now I will do what I should have done long time ago, following Joe Zop's advise.

Freeler
02-14-04, 15:59
"Freeler,

will you say sorry and stop that shit if the person comes forward and confirms this "unbelievable" story ?"

I will say 'sorry about your girlfriend and too bad you asked the wrong person for help'.

And then, like I said, we can talk about behaving aroung Thai police officers, who in general, are on the foreigner's side.

Jeez, suddenly the story is "unbelievable":D

Bill
02-14-04, 16:53
Ha Ha Ha! :D

This is getting funnier by the second! someone keeps saying about 12 times that this is the last post about it and he keeps posting. What a joke. Sounds like he's in the hot seat and Skinless is tightening the straps and getting ready to turn on the juice. Freeler must have been a detective before, and my money is on him and his analysis.

Traveller,

You will never have the last word, and your posts dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole every time. You better plan on buying a couple of kegs of beer and some cash to take the heat off you. Don't be so cheap. I laughted when you try to inject my name in the conversation to change the subject. Clever, but didn't work. Like someone else said in this forum, if it looks like chicken, tastes like chicken and smells like chicken, then..........:) :D

Sting
02-14-04, 19:05
Hi...

I am the first one here. Great!
I just wanna say hello.

Please move on . Your reports are great!

Sting

The Traveler
02-14-04, 19:39
Jackson

thanks for your fast reaction.


All

I hope this will keep the other sections clean. Anyway, I won't take part in any further discussion regarding those allegations made by Skinless and Freeler.

I am fed up with those repetitive insults. Quoting my comments out of context and trying to revert (or obvert, i am illiterate and lack of comprehension :) right Bil ? ) the things I have said.

I already said everything that has to be said. If those guys would be honest they would admit that it could have happened to everyone, but flaming seems to be easier than analizing their own behaviour.

It is hard to keep silent being called like that, but whatever these guys might call me it won't change a single second in my life. I already wasted too much time on that.

Now it is on you, Skinless, Freeler and Bil, to fill up this section.
Please feel free to flame me and post more of the nonsense that you seem to enjoy so much.

Have fun


P.S. Please keep the other section free of any further comments regarding that matter. I guess that was Jackson's intention.

Skinless
02-14-04, 21:12
1. traveller admits to fucking **** hookers against the laws of the kingdom of thailand. it has been pointed out to him that his crimes cary stiff jail sentences in the kingdm of thailand.
2. traveller admits to posting photos of some of those children he fucked here.
3. traveller admits he was mped by other who wanted to fuck those children and thereby break the laws of the kingdfom of thailand and break jackson's editorial line on fucking children.
4. traveller alleges he deleted those private messages and he cannot remember the names of those who asked him to pimp thai kids to them.
5. traveller admits to believing jackson's banning rules and mechanisms are a waste of time.
6. traveller has tried to insinuate that myself and freeler do something similar to what he does.
7. traveller admits to all the above facts.
8. traveller argues the circumstances: shit, it could happen to anyone who acidentally fucks children a third their age and does not ask for the id.
9.traveller, not being able to arue the facts or the circumstances, calls names. he has not been flamed, certainly not by me and freeler. we believe he has a case to answer.
10. when he is apprehended, the courts of the kingdom of thailand wil no doubt agree. ignorencia legit not excusat!

The Traveler
02-14-04, 21:53
skinless

11. traveler admits that he did not target ****d girls and took them without intention.
12. traveler admits to have posted those pics as a warning to others so they can avoid those girls and the problems that might occur.

to be continued ...

Skinless
02-14-04, 21:56
you again admit to [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) thai children.

Freeler
02-14-04, 21:58
skinless,

1. traveller admits to fucking **** hookers against the laws of the kingdom of thailand. it has been pointed out to him that his crimes cary stiff jail sentences in the kingdm of thailand.
2. traveller admits to posting photos of some of those children he fucked here.
3. traveller admits he was mped by other who wanted to fuck those children and thereby break the laws of the kingdfom of thailand and break jackson's editorial line on fucking children.
4. traveller alleges he deleted those private messages and he cannot remember the names of those who asked him to pimp thai kids to them.
5. traveller admits to believing jackson's banning rules and mechanisms are a waste of time.
6. traveller has tried to insinuate that myself and freeler do something similar to what he does.
7. traveller admits to all the above facts.
8. traveller argues the circumstances: shit, it could happen to anyone who acidentally fucks children a third their age and does not ask for the id.
9.traveller, not being able to arue the facts or the circumstances, calls names. he has not been flamed, certainly not by me and freeler. we believe he has a case to answer.
10. when he is apprehended, the courts of the kingdom of thailand wil no doubt agree. ignorencia legit not excusat!

this is indeed all very true.
traveler is one sad fuck!

The Traveler
02-14-04, 22:28
skinless

1.) does skinless admit to point only at the facts that might fit into his agenda but leaving out important portions that oppose it ?
2.) does skinless admit that real life is more complex than he wants to realize ?
3.) does skinless guarantee that he always - without any exception - checks ids before he takes a girl ?
4.) does skinless admit that girls lie about their age ?
5.) does skinless admit that girls use fake ids and/or ids of relatives or friends ?
6.) does skinless guarantee that he will find out about the cases described in 4.) and 5.) before he will pick a girl and therefore reject her ?
7.) does skinless admit that any person banned from this forum can get a new id within seconds and therefore banning isn't effective ?
8.) does skinless admit that we are talking about 16-17yr old youngsters who decided to work as prostitutes and not about kids (from a kindergarden) as mentioned.
9.) does skinless admit that the term "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" and having sex in exchange for payment is definately not the same and that the latter is the correct description.

to be continued ...

The Traveler
02-14-04, 22:31
Skinless

I have a few more seconds left over.

A third of my age, eh ?
They were 16-17 yr old, 3 x 16 = 48, 3 x 17 = 51. I am definately far below that age. You are some funny guy, now you already know my age. Very smart.
As I said, you guys don't know shit about me.

If it wouldn't be such a serious matter it would be funny to listen to you guys.

Skinless
02-14-04, 22:32
Traveller: You have admitted to committing very serious crimes against the people and the laws of Thailand. Go see a Thai solicitor.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 22:37
Freeler

Damn, it's like a drug, I slowly get addicted to it.:D

Please give me some more flaming, but not that cheap stuff like below. I expect more quality, I know you can do it.

Skinless
02-14-04, 22:41
ignorencia legit not excusat! ignorance of the law is no excuse traveller. you are not being flamed: you are having the law read to you. no matter how you try to twist and turn, you have committed very serious crimes against the children of thailand. in so much as you cannot see the deep shit you are in, you are a sad fuck. not a flame, just a statement of fact. freeler and i, as well as others, are operating a zero tolerance to ****s. that includes you and gary glitter.

JuiceSpike
02-14-04, 22:44
Hysterical.

To the accussers: Hey guys, you made your point.

I have never seen a man in perhaps deep desperation dig a whole so deep. Pathetic.


juice

The Traveler
02-14-04, 22:49
skinless

since you are so much concerned about those girls and the "crimes" that i have comitted i propose that you report those girls to the local thai police. that way police might be able to observe them and arrest every farang who comes close to them.

i also propose that you donate a high amout to joe zop's charity to support those girls and help them out of their misery. you could also walk through the streets of pattaya or any other thai town and adopt every ****d girl that wants to sell some services.

as we all know, you are a man of honor and will do any of the above suggested solutions.

Skinless
02-14-04, 22:57
i do not need advice from a self confessed serial **** [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). you are the one who has to be brought to the police. you dod the crime. now do the time.

JuiceSpike
02-14-04, 22:58
Traveler,

C'mon dude stop. This is a no win situation for you. You have been cornered and trapped with your own words. Right or wrong this is what is happening and you have no way out but to stop.

And your suggestions made below are plain silly.

juice

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:08
skinless

i guess you are smart enough to see the difference between "ignorance of the law" and "ignorance of the underlying facts". you also still prefer to dramatize and using the term "kid". we are talking about 16-17yr old prostitutes.

anyway, you still haven't answered my questions. how do you ensure that you do not accidentally pick up an ****d girl who lies about her age and will show you an id of a relative/friend or a faked one.?
please enlighten me. i really like to know your system to avoid the same situation in the future. it's only in your own interest to give away that secret to protect those girls.

Skinless
02-14-04, 23:13
traveller: take the advice you are being given. you are in a lose lose situation. you admit being like gary glitter and the **** priests - a child [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). you are in thailand for the same reason gary glittler is in cambodia. tell your mitigating circumstances to the judge via a good solicitor. ask them, not me, to concoct a defense for you. this site is for men (me, freeler, juice etc) wanting sex with women (not **** girls or boys). you are not wanted. go. read below jackson's editorial

.............................

why does this site prohibit discussions of sex with young girls?
gentlemen, i've decided to voice my opinions and invite discussions on exactly why this website does not permit discussions of sex with minors under the age of 18.

first, it amazes me that i even need to state what i consider to be obvious facts, but some of the discussions in the discussion board have illustrated to me that some people just don't get it. therefor, i'm going to make these arguments for the sake of those among us who have difficulty realizing their responsibilities to the human race.

1. as men, it is our responsibility to protect women and children.

2. young girls, as the most vulnerable members of the human race, are especially deserving of our protection.

3. regardless of the specific age when a girl has passed biological puberty, young girls are not emotionally capable of handling the emotional turmoil of prostitution. if you have any teenage daughters yourself, or if you have any friends with teenage daughters, this observation is self-evident.

4. as educated, intelligent, civilized men, we are expected by our peers to operate on a higher moral plain in these matters than other cultures may tolerate. therefore, we do not participate in the exploitation of emotionally **** girls, regardless of the behavior of others.

i hope that those of you who may have been confused on this subject now have an understanding of your responsibility to protect young girls, not exploit them under the justification that others have already done so first. however, because i know that some of you will postulate the usual justifications for this immoral and reprehensible behavior, let me respond to these common arguments.

1. "hey man, lighten up. in these girl's cultures they start having sex as soon as they pass puberty, and many girls here get married very young."

first, it doesn't matter if the indigenous culture is willing to exploit these girls, as an educated, intelligent, civilized man, you are expected to refrain from this type of exploitation.

second, there is a big difference between getting married and engaging in prostitution. when a young girl gets married, she receives the emotional support of her immediate family and friends, and theoretically a supportative husband. conversely, when a young girl gets involved in prostitution, she is typically thrust into a situation where she receives no emotional support, and in fact is usually confronted with mental and physical abuse.

2. "these girls need the money to buy food and to eat. it's wrong to deny them the only method by which they can earn enough money to survive. i think i'm doing a good thing by fucking them for money."

don't kid yourself, the prostitution business isn't big enough to make an appreciable dent in the suffering of young children in these countries. the unfortunate reality is that in many of these countries, hundreds of thousands of young people are suffering from lack of basic necessities, including food. the fact that a small fraction of one percent earns money for food through prostitution isn't exactly a universal solution.

if you genuinely want to help these young girls, then give them a few bucks for food. now, i know that this advice would make a tri-f explode in anger, but you can afford it, and in fact you'll never know it's gone.

3. "you call them "girls" but many of them are battle-hardened veterans by the time they're 16. it doesn't matter if i pay them for sex, they're used to it."

let me see if i understand this argument: it's okay to victimize somebody who's been victimized before? so i guess it's okay to rob somebody who's already been robbed, and i guess it's also okay to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) a woman who was raped before? come on guys, just because a young girl is already a victim doesn't give you license to continue the abuse.

please remember, this is a website for men looking for sex with women.

as always, your comments are welcomed.

thank you,

jackson

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:22
JuiceSpike

I know that it wasn't right and I do not need anybody to tell me. The point is, I did not know before the fact. PERIOD

I do not use it as an excuse but what does Skinless want from me ? I have no time machine to turn back time.

At least I do not need anybody to blame me for being fooled who can not prove that he did not went into the very same trap. Just saying I never did is just too cheap (he never ever even said that !). Everybody who has been to thailand knows that it is very hard to rate the girls age. Why doesn't Skinless enlighten us and tell us about his secret ID system ?

BTW, I do not want to win, there is nothing to win at all.
I know it's a very serious matter and I do not like to make fun out of it, but those guys slowly are some kind of entertainment for me. They are hypocrites, blaming others but probably doing the same without intention.

Skinless
02-14-04, 23:25
traveller: you are a self confessed ****. go away.

JuiceSpike
02-14-04, 23:35
traveler,

in plain english for you:

you have obviously offended and for sure upset a few guys in here because you posted pictures of **** girls (under 18 years old) that you had sex with them.

it does not matter whether you knew their age or not at the time.

what matters is that to many people in here you came across as bragging about having sex with **** girls although that was not your intention. your intention in posting those pictures was to warn others. okay. whatever.

get it?

juice

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:37
skinless

jackson's rules and arguments say nothing about being fooled, taking an ****d without intention. it did not use any of the below arguments, so where is your point ?

i guess if jackson would share your point of view he would already have banned me. he is very strict on it, right ?

i am still here, what does it tell you ?

Sainter
02-14-04, 23:37
What I can't work out is why it took Skinless so long to snap? If he was horrified when the photos were posted, shouldn't we have discussed all this then?

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:39
JuiceSpike

thanks for clarifying.
You just exactly repeated my point of view !

But what do those guys want from me now ?
Should I kill myself ?

Skinless
02-14-04, 23:47
traveller: you have admitted to very serious crimes and ones many people here, jackson included (as per his editorial) find particularly offensive. all the evidence indicates that, like so many other ****s, you are a sick fucker who cannot see that you have done wrong; you are in denial. i have no intention of "lightening up" as jackson's editorial puts it;you have tried t laugh this off but you bragging about your very serious crimes do not belong here. your ignorance, to repeat, is no excuse under the law; you have sought out and fucked **** children on a regular basis. you have put up several pictures of **** girls, not just one. go tell your excuses to a good defense lawyer: that you keep fucking **** girls accidentally even though you have admit to being on the thai scene for 20 years.

sainter: i do not owe you or mr **** an explanation. if you want to defend the ****, ok. if not, stay out of it.

JuiceSpike
02-14-04, 23:51
Traveler,

I guess you don't get it yet.

No, don't kill yourself but maybe think carefullyt as to why you are being lynched before a "trial."

You walked a thin line posting pictures of minors that you had sex with no matter what reason you had to post them. Get it?

Don't kill yourself but maybe you could apologize to those you have offended in here and move on.

Good luck.

juice

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:53
Sainter

easy to tell what triggered the Skinless bomb.

Follow the discussion carefully and you will see that he suddenly detected his commitment to protect those girls from me after I made a joke.

I said that Skinless and Freeler seem to be in competition about who will take the oldest and/or ugliest chick available.

He just took me too serious.

The Traveler
02-14-04, 23:57
Skinless

Sainter is entitled to his point of view like any other member of this forum.
Do you scare questions ?

Skinless
02-14-04, 23:58
traveller

if you go back to the beginning of this thread, you will see it began with my reply to sweden and my clarification to you. you will not get the last word in here for the simple reaosn that you are a dangerous criminal.
traveler: according to thai law, you are a **** and a criminal.that is thai law and has nothing to do with my opinion or anyone else's. you have tried swerving by saying freeelr and fuck old women and we fuck young women. none of that washes and it is totally irrelvant. you can try joking but the fact is you are, according to the law, a criminal ****. there is nothing funny about that. any board member who knows you are in thailand should have you arrested.

as to whether you should kill yourself or not: lots of ****s do.

Sainter
02-15-04, 00:06
skinless, it was just a question. no attack on you intended. i will stay out of this discussion from now on.

just one final point, i think ****s are the lowest of the low. castrate them, kill them or shove a pole up their arse. if it is true that traveller is a ****, then he deserves the above treatment. as of now, shouldn't we give him the benefit of doubt? one more slip up on this issue and even i will get on his back.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 00:06
skinless

i know the thai law as good as you, no need to tell me.
i already posted the definition of a ****, it does not fit me.
you only repeat yourself over and over again, never answered a single question. why not just state what you want from me ?

The Traveler
02-15-04, 00:26
JuiceSpike

I wanted to move on long time ago, they do not let me.
I would have apologized to anyone who felt offended and I hereby do to all and everyone.

All I was asking for is, if the persons who are self-entitled prosecutors and judges in one person can guarantee that it did not happen to them as well. Otherwise they should have a look in the bible : "Who is without guilt should cast the first stone ..." (maybe bad translation but I think you know what I mean).
I just wonder why they did not answer that question.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 01:17
Freeler

this is a serious question and I kindly ask you to answer to your best knowledge.

You stated NO ID NO GO is your system.
I guess you know as good as I do that this system is not fool proof.
The girls might show you the ID of a friend or relative. I have seen it many times when the girls forgot their IDs and wanted to pass by security at the entrance of a disco. Two girls go in, one will come out with both IDs and two girls enter again.
There is also the possibility that a girl might show you a faked one. New IDs are harder to fake but still many old ones around.

You might say, if ANY DOUBT NO GO.
That system is not fool-proof as well.
Take a look at Nu (17yr old). I had not a single doubt when I picked her and she told me being 20yrs old. Please do not forget that it is very hard to rate them between all those other girls. Make-up, lights and environment makes it even harder to rate their age. But even in bright sun-light, without make-up she could easily be 20yrs old.

Link to Nu's pic
http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/attachment.php?s=&postid=164404

Do you have any fool-proof system ?
I was thinking about that issue over and over but found no solution till now.

Any idea from all other members will be appreciated as well.

Again, I am serious about that and hope your will provide an honest answer.

Thanks

PsyberZombie
02-15-04, 01:21
some terminology needs to be clarified here because it seems that some of you guys aren't talking about the same thing.

****philia is an intense and recurring desire to have sexual relations with sexually immature children. ****philia is a psychiatric disorder and is abnormal and illegal.

ephebophilia is the perfectly normal desire to have sexual relations with a sexually mature individual who just happens to legally ****. while normal, acting on ephebophila is also illegal, and is called statuatory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in the u.s. legal system.

you can be an ephebophile in one jurisdiction and perfectly legal in another. also important to note is that with any given individual desired, relations cease to be illegal at some 'magical' moment [ typically, midnight on the the person's 18th birthday ]

here's an example:

take a look at these images of the 17 year old bridgette bardot:

http://*******.com/3c2p2


any normal man will find this beautiful woman sexually attractive.

if you were to act on those desires where i live [rhode island , u.s.a.] , it would be perfectly okay because the age of consent here is sixteen.

but if you were to act on those desires just a few miles away in boston, where the age of consent is eighteen, you would be considered a criminal and if prosecuted and convicted would most likely be sentenced to a prison term.

i only point this all out because some people here call apparent ephebophiles, ****s; and there is a world of difference between the two.

Pauline Hanson
02-15-04, 03:04
Report deleted by Admin.

Skinless
02-15-04, 03:14
traveller: you don't know thai law in this instrance as well as me. it is taking days of posts to get it through your head that you have broken thai law by fucking thai children. you should disappear and find yourself a good lawyer. maybe gary glitter can help you find one. for everyone else: check id, don't hang out with ****s, go for women not children; if in doubt, stay away.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 03:19
Skinless

please read the post below regarding IDs and a fool proof system. Any idea ?

Also please finally answer the question what you want me to do ?

Skinless
02-15-04, 04:01
Admit your guilt. And stay away from Thai children.

Jack Spratt
02-15-04, 04:51
are you being a bit precious, and even self righteous here skinless?

if the traveller has had consensual sex with a 16 or 17 year old girl, according to my understanding of thai law, it would be legal provided it was not done for money or favours ie prostitution.

the age of consent is 15.

however, where prostitution is involved, the girl must be 18.

so you are drawing a pretty long bow to accuse him of being a **** and "fucking thai children" when what he has done is (apparently) perfectly legal, other than the fact that it involved prostitution.

i reckon its time to get off your high horse, and give it a rest.

and please don't start attacking me, because i am only stating the facts, and i have no interest, nor do i condone sex with children.

Skinless
02-15-04, 05:01
Jack Spratt: I am quoting the law: The Child Prostitution Law of Thailand. Please read Thai law as I have pasted it in. He is guilty as hell according to the law of Thailand relating to Child Prostitution appended below. And, if he is apprehended in Thailand, he will have to do the time as he did the crime. If you read the earlier posts, you will see that the time for the crime(s) he committed are posted there.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/thailand.htm

IV. Child prostitution


The " Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act ". In this Act " Prostitution " means

" The acceptance of sexual intercourse, the acceptance of any other act, or the commission of any
act for sexual gratification of another person in a promiscuous manner, in order to gain financial or
other benefit, no matter whether the person who accepts such act and the person who commits
such act are of the same or opposite sex "

Section 8 of the " Prostitution Prevention and Suppression Act " states

" Whoever, for sexual gratification of that person or of the third person, commits sexual intercourse
or any other act against a person who is over fifteen (15) years but not yet over eighteen (18) years
of age, with or without his or her consent, in a place for prostitution, shall be punished with
imprisonment of one to three years and a fine of twenty thousand to sixty thousand baht.

Jack Spratt
02-15-04, 05:40
skinless, you haven't read my post properly.

i didn't say he hasn't broken the law - obviously he has if the girls are under 18, and prostitution was involved.

if you read again, you may see the point i am trying to make is that you are using very emotive and uneccesary terms such as "****" and "thai children".

as the thai law considers these girls old enough to have (non-prostitute) sex at 15, can we assume thai society doesn't consider them "children", and if they are not children, by definition, if you have sex with them, you can hardly be a "****".

if traveller has comitted a crime, the crime is breaking the prostitution laws, not ****philia, or fucking thai children.

like i said earlier - time to give it a rest.

Mr Jon
02-15-04, 08:10
i have just read over the posts in this particular forum and found it quite interrupting to see how the zealots perform. but before i go one step further, let it be known that i do not approve or condone sex with children in any way shape or form. and i acknowledge that each country and culture has the right to define their own standards on the subject. i would never impose my standards on another, nor would i berate some one who is living up to the standards of where they happen to be because they do not live up to mine.

that said, i do believe that is one is going to debate, one should have all their facts strait. that is why i was glad to see jack put in his two cents worth, and glad to see that at lease one other person went to the reference site to read all the information there, not just the clips presented here.

jack is correct, in that the law broken here was the law against prostitution with “persons” under the age of 18. the defining of a “child as being “a person who is not yet over 18 years of age.” is a definition for the purpose of the “prostitution prevention and suppression act” and does not apply to situation outside of the law being defined. (its defining “child” as a short had for “a person who is not yet over 18 years of age.”).

the legal age of consent is 15, as can be found on the same page as the material quoted by skinless. this is the law that defines statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and what should be used if you like to define “kiddy fuckers”, but not, as psyberzombie points out, even for the definition of ****philia.

even in the wording of the section posted by skinless, those between the ages of 15 and 18 are termed “persons” and only those below the age of 15 are called “children”. at best traveler can be called a “fucker of persons not old enough to prostate”, but by thai law he is not a “kiddy fucker”, and that is how the law reads.

even the term “****” is relative, reactive to the law being discussed, the county, state, or province your are in. being **** for sex, prostitution, drinking, getting married, etc. is different in most places. even the age of consent for heterosexual and homosexual sex is different in most places (where homosexual sex is legal).

now mr. jackson bans discussion of having sex with or photos of persons under the age of 18 years, most likely, due to laws where his server resides. regardless of the laws in the places where the posters reside, the material actually resides on the server and its content has to conform to the laws where that server physically resides. (he may also have a personal view on the matter and since we participate in these forums at his grace, we must abide by his stipulations.)

now here is another clip from the same web page, part of a publish article from 1998:

“according to mr montri, the anti-prostitution act is not enforced stringently and is riddled with loopholes.

he cited a case in which police failed to arrest a child abuser since he did not have sex in the brothel. further, the abuser might claim he did not know the prostitute was younger than 18 years because she used a fake identification card.”

not sure what the point is, just sounds like typical legislation from anywhere in the world.

and from another article:

“even if police knew about the activities, the male clients must be caught in the act to be punished.”

the articles about the problem of child prostitution on the site are interesting to say the least (link again: http://www.ageofconsent.com/thailand.htm). the article seem to focus on prostitutes younger than 15. keep in mind that some statements in the reprinted articles may not accurately represent the letter of the law and may show bias by the writer due to personal beliefs (similar i think to some of the posts in the current discussion).

[blue]actually, i ban discussions about sex with persons under 18 and photos of persons under 18 because it's reprehensible, repugnant, and morally wrong, not because it's technically illegal.

Plugger
02-15-04, 08:18
i hope none of you fellas are taking this discussion as a joke. it is very serious to accuse someone of being a kiddiefucker. it's also very serious to be one.

traveller may very well be guilty of statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), it's up to jackson to decide if that warrants his expulsion from this forum. move on please.

Freeler
02-15-04, 08:30
no optional greeting, like i said, i don't greet kiddyfuckers,

you wrote:
'you stated no id no go is your system.'

and now you want me to explain the system and you give a link to a photo i will not look at, because you are a poster of **** material.
you are a kiddyfucker and you do very well understand the system, you just claim you don't so you can keep up your ugly trade.
your whole mo is designed to take **** kids to your room and abuse them.


a very friendly welcome to all other posters who just came in,

american law perhaps has something to say about this website, which is allowing a poster who admitted that he had **** girls in thailand to post his filth.

too bad that us law at this point can not take care of the kiddyfucker himself, as he is a european.

however, eu countries now all have laws saying that if you break a law on **** sex in any foreign country, an eu court can deal with you. also if **** laws in that country allow a national of that country to have sex with children who would be **** in the kiddyfuckers country, a kiddyfucker from the eu is still subject to eu law.

the sooner the kiddyfucker is banned from at least posting **** material on this website the better. no doubt all this swordrattling and the kiddyfuckers admissions to having sex with **** girls in thailand will draw attention from people who search and destroy this material - by legal or illegal means.


skinless,

traveler admits he abuses thai children. why not leave it to the police and jackson.

there must be a friendly person out there who knows the kiddyfucker and can report him to police anywhere.

as i remember it a group of posters met in bkk over a year ago -december 2002.
wasn't the kiddyfucker present at that time?

i believe so.

Jack Spratt
02-15-04, 09:39
Wow! - it's pretty obvious that rational thought and analysis of a very important subject are pretty much absent from this topic.

Pauline - ya name says it all.

I'm outta this discussion, and back to the (sort of) real world of mongering.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 09:51
pauline hanson

i agree with you that skinless is schizophrenic. but that's it.

the age of consent is 16 in my country and at 18 you will be an adult.
my limit is drawn at 18, i was brought up with that and stick to it. i do not care if there is a lower limit in burma, laos, pakistan, china or somewhere else. it would not just only violate the laws in my country, it would also violate my personal values.

i have absolutely no sympathy for child molesters and [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127), they are the lowest form of living creatures in the universe.

but that shoe does not fit me. i do not target them and i do not want to have sex with them. you are some sick bastard if you suggest that having sex with e.g. a 14yr old would be ok in laos because the local laws would tolerate such sort of behaviour.

the point is, that everyone who is willing to pick up girls in the range of 18-22yrs is in danger to get fooled. if the girl is just 1 or a few years youger than she claims to be, skinless and freeler will you a ****philic / child molester and kiddyfucker.

furthermore zombie did not defend me. he just stated some facts and pointed out that the term "****philic" shouldn't be used in ths context.

your record for being a racist is already well known. please do me a favour, do not defend me. i do not need your support, i do not want your support.

just leave

The Traveler
02-15-04, 10:01
Freeler

I do not want you to EXPLAIN the NO ID NO GO system. I would like to hear how you make it fool proof, since it is the system you use for mongering.
You, as a self-entitled prosecutor and judge in one person should be without any guilt in that matter. Therefor I would like to know how you can guarantee it.

Jaimito Cartero
02-15-04, 10:07
One quick comment, and then I'm going to bail on this whole thread. I think this whole discussion is fairly sad. Child prostitution does go on, and it should be eliminated. I'm very glad that I read the WSG before going to Thailand last year. I generally get women in the mid 20's and up, but did come across one girl at the Bier Garten that I wasn't sure of. I checked her ID, calculated the Buddha years and she was 19.

This is yet another reason to stay at a hotel that will only let you bring up girls with an ID. When I was checking out girls on Beach Road in Pattaya, I had a number of young looking girls approach me. I don't know how old they were, but I would guess 16 or 17. I laughed at them, and told them they were "babies". They got mad at this, so I asked to see their ID's. They quickly got quiet and said they didn't have them with them. I laughed and kept on walking.

I freely admit that I am not an expert on the age of women, especially asian women. I've had girls who look 23 turn out to be 32. Knowing this, it's really necessary for you, the person who will be locked up for a long time to make sure they're legal. Check out the ID. If it's faded or doesn't look right, then you should pass on going with this provider.

Checking ID should be as important as putting the condom on before the action. Doing both should keep your balls out of hot water.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 10:19
Jaimito

and what do you do if she shows you an ID which claims that she is 20yrs old but it's not her own ID ?
How do you determine that ?

The Traveler
02-15-04, 10:23
skinless

you claim that circumstance are not important and that only the crime itself counts for punishment.
you are smarter, you should know better.
you know that circumstances are part of the "case". there are always two key elements in every case which will determine if you will be punished or not : motivation and circumstances !

i totally lack of motivation and the circumstances favour a non-guilty plee of being a child-molesters. you only presume it, you have not a single evidence to support that assumption.


suppose you drive a car, hit a person with it and kill that person.
will you be a killer ? was it attempted murder ? or just an accident ?

motivation is they key for punishment. if you deliberately targeted that person with your car then you will be found guilty of murder. if it was just an accident you will go free.

circumstances are also a key element. have you been drunk and/or speeding, was it dark and/or rainy, did the person look at the street before he/she tried to cross it. your punishment will again depend on those circumstances.


you repeatedly quoted the thai law. you will definately also find a clause where it is stated, that killing a person is against the law.
will you be a murderer then ? i guess not.

don't forget : "in dubio pro reo"

The Traveler
02-15-04, 10:27
jack spratt

finally someone who understands what i say.

law broken : yes without intention
****phelic : no

Sainter
02-15-04, 10:43
Traveller, get some sleep. You've been going at it for 24 hours now. Everyone just leave things be, for now.

Sting
02-15-04, 11:14
Traveller,

Just a remark. Don't make a fool of yourself.

Skinless or Freeler won't get your point, therefore is it better to stop this discussion. Especially, this sensitive topic.

Don't walk into the trap of them.
Its only a play on words and hairsplitting.

I guess they enjoy it very much.

I read all your post here I understood your intentions. You don't have to apologize . Some people are not able to read "between the line" neither to think nor to understand.

It is not a question of intelligence. It is simple. They won't think but they want talk rubbish.

So take it easy and move on. It is ok .
Hope I was able to cheer you up.

Lets go back to the chicks reports

regards and enjoy

Sting

The Traveler
02-15-04, 11:25
Sainter

I already hade some sleep. I don't need much, used to work hard.

Thanks for caring

Bill
02-15-04, 11:31
traveller,:)

You said over 15 TIMES that this would be the last post on the subject of you having sex with a minor, and still you continue. That lie in itself personifies the real you unlike what you portray in this forum. You constantly lie, try to change the subject and continually prey upon the wrong types of females. No one believes this fantastic created image of who you are and what you do. Your credibility is forever lost to those last few who thought they knew you. It seems a very dark alter ego reality lives within your conflicted mind. This is fact and you will pay for your wrong doings. Please get professional help! :( Good luck in the future.

Skinless
02-15-04, 11:36
jack spratt

finally someone who understands what i say.

law broken : yes without intention
****phelic : no


.....................
law broken.
without intention: possible mitigation but up to the judge when you are apprehended.
****philic: yes.
**** = child, phile = like.
law: thailand's child (****) prostitution law.

go see a lawyer. my involvement in this whole thread began when i gave you and sweden some advice. sweden is now gone, thankfully, hopefully to get his sxual diseases seen to: i told him to see a dcotor, not to seek medical advice here for his mountain of symptoms. you should get your disease seen to. you are slowly admitting you fuck children: that is a start. save the mitigating circumstances for others. the main fact has been established. you are guilty of statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), the penalties for which i have already pointed out. if you are caled a kiddy fucker, that is understandable and is far less repugnant than the series of very serious crimes you have committed against the children of thailand (as defined by thailand's child prostitution act).

everyone else: don't follow this guy's lead unless you want to end up in a thai jail!

interesting you agree with pauline the racist on the state of my health. but my mental state is not a crime. you are the criminal.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 11:40
sting

yep, you definately cheered me up.

i still haven't give up hope that even skinless and freeler have to admit that there is a grey zone, not just black and white.
the discussion isn't rational at their side. they do not argue, they do not answer serious questions. they only state that i am a ****philic without any prove. misusing this term only to make a case. if this issue wouldn't be so serious, i definately would have stopped long time ago.

first i was bewildered and shocked about those allegations, but slowly skinless and freelers behaviour are some sort of entertainment for me. not the topic itself, i am deadly serious about that. maybe they choosed that way because they know that they are not fool proof as well. nobody is.

as soon as there is nothing left to say i will leave this thread and we almost reached that point.

kind regards

have fun and enjoy

Skinless
02-15-04, 11:43
Traveller: you have admitted to breaking Thailand's Child Prostitution law by fucking Thai children.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 11:50
you all are repetitive.
as soon as all of you tell me how you ensure that you never ever took an ****d by accident i will give in. the no id no go isn't fool proof. none of you answered that question. why ?

as long as none of you can guarantee it, you might be guilty as well. don't point at others then !

i am a honest person and therefor admitted that i was fooled which were leading to breaking the law. but you guys still close your eyes and are lying about the fact that you might have broken the law as well.

Skinless
02-15-04, 11:52
You have admitted to being a dangerous criminal. When you are apprehended, don't accuse the judge of being a kiddy fucker like you are trying to con us (Oh, everyone fucks children - the real Nambla line). As I say, go see a lawyer because you need one.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 11:54
Skinless

we can go on like this for ages.
Why not try something new and answer my questions ?

Skinless
02-15-04, 11:58
You are the self confessed serial criminal, not me or Freeler. Go see a lawyer.

Plugger
02-15-04, 12:02
The key word here is "intent". Did Traveller intend to have sex with underge girls? Only he can answer that. From what he has said so far, it was an innocent mistake. We cant read his mind.

To commit a crime you must have "mens rea" and "actus reus". I still dont see how Traveller qualifies for the mens rea bit.

Sainter, you're the lawyer. What's the deal here?

Bill
02-15-04, 12:05
traveller,

once again, your last post period about the subject was another lie. how do you expect us to believe anything you say anymore? constantly having the urge to lie, is in itself a mental sickness, and if you cannot realize this, even worse. please, please get treatment for your illness before you are jailed for your urges. thinking about certain things is not a crime, but acting upon them can send you to the penitentiary. remember, you did recent crimes against thailand's children. you stated you have been to thailand multiple times over decades. you of all people should know that being a **** is illegal and you should know how to check an id or at least avoid a child that is certainly suspect. the sane world does not believe your excuses for your recent documented illegal activities. in a court of law your arguements would be laughed at and you would be sentenced to the maximum, not to mention being raped by other inmates. i hope this does not happen. turning yourself in to the authorities might be a start. i hope you make the right decision.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 12:06
Skinless

You are still elusive and avoid answering my questions.
Would you answer them if a "non-criminal" would ask you ?

The Traveler
02-15-04, 12:09
Bil

Interesting, so you alone know the ultimate truth.
I do not need that you believe me. Just answer my question.

Pauline Hanson
02-15-04, 12:10
Report deleted by Admin.

Bill
02-15-04, 12:16
Traveller,

You and your self admitted illegal actions are the topic, not me. You are real slick, trying to ask questions to change the subject when the heat is on you. Watching too many cop and lawyer shows. You are definitely not stupid. I hope you admit your mental sickness to your self and seek professional treatment. If you don't, your addictions will only get worse and society will be forced to deal with you in full accordance with the law. :( Good luck. :)

The Traveler
02-15-04, 12:20
Bil,

I am only questioning if you are entitled to judge me.
So why not answer my question ? Scared about the outcome ?


P.S. Interesting. First I was stupid and lacked of comprehension of the english language, now I am definitely not stupid ! :)

Skinless
02-15-04, 13:19
traveller: you are a criminal who will most likely end up on a sex offender's list when you are tracked down. the spotlight will remain very firmly on you and your serial child/kiddy/statutory [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) of children whose ids you made sure to check after you raped them. your lawyer would advise you to shut up.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 13:37
skinless

repetitive and misuse of the terms "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" and "child".
do you always search the girls you take and even force them to open up their purse ?


you still avoid to answer my question !
why not give me your fool proof system at hand so i can avoid being fooled in the future ?

"on y soi qui mal y pense"

Skinless
02-15-04, 13:44
this thread is about your criminal behavior (fucking thai children)and nothing more. i do not want to be associated with you as you are a **** criminal who belongs in jail with the other ****s. i have no intention of broadening out my reply to allow you rationalize fucking thai children.

i fuck women not girls. try it.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 13:45
skinless

again misuse of the term "****". psyberzombie and i already provided the official definition for it and you still ignore it.

i am only questioning if you are entitled to judge me.
so answer that question if you have nothing to hide !

Skinless
02-15-04, 13:47
you are a self confessed criminal ****. you are trying to pretend others of us are also ****s, that we break thailand's laws and fuck thai children. you have pretended (?) others pm'ed you wanting to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the children you raped. how simple do you want it: you are a sick freak.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 14:03
skinless

again misuse of the term "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)".

we discussed that matter already and it does not change the case. can you quote any clause in the thai law that urges me to report every person who asks for contact info of an slightly ****d ? is it a crime ?

i am not trying to pretend that others are ****s.
it would also be very easy for you to clarify it.
just answer my question !

Skinless
02-15-04, 14:14
you break the child prostitution law by fucking the ****d
child prostitution: legally the thais are speaking about children. i am not following the nambla line that you propound. for the pruposes of the relvant law, children are those under 18.
child = ****.
phile: to like: you like fucking children. you are a ****.
[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123): you fuck the ****d. that is statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
you keep referring to girls. we fuck women, not girls. you fuck girls. you are a ****. you check ids later for your own perverse reasons. you have broken the law big time and you are in deep shit. read the posts of freeler and others. it is only a matter of time before the cops get you. first thing monday, get a good lawyer.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 14:22
Skinless

Nothing but accusations.
I am and others using the term "girl" for every female below the age of 25, sometimes even olden.

You still did not answer. Do you search every girl you pick up ?
She might not only carry another (her own) ID, besides the one she showed to you, she might also have some drugs !
Be careful, someone might accuse you of being a pusher.

Any prove that I "like" it ?

Skinless
02-15-04, 14:25
No accusations. You have admitted you are a dangerus criminal. You are the self ocnfessed criminal. Get a good lawyer - maybe this guy can help you "have fun".

The Traveler
02-15-04, 14:32
skinless

i have never admitted to be dangerous or a criminal.
i have only admitted that i picked 3 ****d without knowing and intention.

if i would like to pick ****d, how do you explain that the vast majority of the girls i had are definitely of legal age, 20 and above ?

Sainter
02-15-04, 15:14
Plugger, I'm a law grad not a lawyer. Big difference. Regarding these two, I've said my peace. And I'd rather not comment further. I think we should all stay away from this thread till things cool down. Nothing is gained by this war of words.

Traveller, go to sleep. :)
I am. :o

Tatoosh
02-15-04, 20:32
poor jackson, he keeps adding new sections for you guys. first the sa section, then the **** flame section in the opinions catagory, and now skinless vs the traveller section which is really just a subsection of the **** flame.

now both of you have been valuable contributors to the board. skinless, to be honest i haven't seen anything by the_traveller that makes me feel that he isn't being fairly honest and above board about the subject at hand.

any of us could inadvertently end up nailing an ****d girl if she looked older than her years and had fake id. or if we were a bit clueless about the game (can we say newbie?) and didn't realize we needed to double check.

i can understand you getting wound up about ****'s, particularly the ones that prey on pre-pubescent aged kids. no, i am not condoning punters with post-pubescent ****d kids, but that is a bit of a different matter. the traveller's mistakes do not look to me like kiddie mongering.

the minefield occurs once puberty starts kicking in. in general, males are attracted by appropriate bust/waist/hip ratios, clear skin, and good facial symmetry. nature kicks on the hormones and it doesn't have a gosh darn thing to do with her emotional maturity, the age of consent laws, and little relationship with what age is on her id. her body starts to mature and display exactly those things that guys are genetically programmed to look for.

but we know better as adults. so we try not to play in the minefield. even if they look quite attractive, which they can, since that is exactly what nature intends. nature evolved its rules long before we started passing age of consent laws.

that doesn't exempt us from behaving correctly. or in our own best interest for that matter. we, as punters, do know about the age of consent laws, which are there to deter us from rationalizing why it's okay to top off someone we shouldn't.

and the situation in thailand makes it even trickier. we are dealing with women (or sadly girls), often on a short time basis, without the benefit of a shared language. a very bad scenario for determining if your partner is sixteen or nineteen. so we do need to be reminded about the pitfalls, and steer clear of them.

and occasionally the age evaluation situation is reversed. i saw a woman down at work, recently hired, that i would swear is fourteen. she looks fourteen. it's not that she's short though she is, or that she's cute which is true as well. but she looks like she should be getting ready for her freshman year in high school.

i know she's at least eighteen and a high school grad. i'm pretty sure she's legal since my employer does fairly extensive background checks before they let anyone through the door. so it's not like she can borrow her sisters id and get a job. if she was a pro and i saw her on the arm of some ol' geezer heading into a short time hotel, i'd likely be on my cell phone calling the cops. and i'd be wrr... wr... full of it!

so skinless, give it a break. i do understand your attitude toward ****'s. but using the high ground to lob mortars isn't exactly the turf any of us punters really can hold for long. how about we get back to the stuff we really do well, which is share info about consensual adult rendezvous with a monetary theme?

tatoosh

Beetlejuice
02-15-04, 21:24
The Traveler, Bil, Skinless, Freeler, et al.
You all are fuckin' gay.
Have you been so overexposed to Thai pussy that you prefer to waste your time, not to mention bandwidth on this useful forum with this rhetorical thread than to getting laid?. I'm sure this thread will make some great fodder for NGO do gooders and send up some red flags to others. Basically, no one gives a shit anymore. Drop it already.
Don't bother flaming me as there will be no response.

Freeler
02-15-04, 21:57
beetlejuice,

if we are all gay, you better cover your ass:d!


no optional greeting, as i don't greet kiddyfuckers,

you try to hide behind definitions although you admitted to having sex with **** kids in thailand.

so you are, in your opinion, a kiddyfucking non ****.

and you lied about other posters pm'ing you so you can hide behind them as well.

bil,

how far can you count:d?

Plugger
02-15-04, 22:51
once again, "intent" was not there. you cannot prove that he specifically targetted ****d girls.

i didn't know that skinless was jewish. where did ph get that from. anyway, i don't think it matters. i don't think this has anything to do with race, ph.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 22:51
freeler

if you use a word than you should know what it means. definitions are made for that reason.

i admitted that i had unintended and unknowingly sex with slightly ****d youngsters who choosed to work as prostitutes and who were lying about their age.
my approach to that serious matter is much more honest than yours. you still haven't explained how you ensure that it does not happen to you. if you only once had a 18-21 yr old girl then you might be a kiddyfucker by your own definition as well. what if she was lying to you too and showed the id of her older sister ?

think about it !

The Traveler
02-15-04, 23:01
Pauline Hanson

Cool, cause I do not want support from a racist.

I do not have to move on to another country which tolerantes sex with minors. I do not want it, I do not seek it, I do not target them and I do not enjoy it.

Anyway, why do you think I am a german ?
How do you got the info that Skinless is jewish ?
Even though I have an argue with Skinless about a serious matter you should avoid to extend it to his belief. It has nothing to do with it from either side.

Trying to put oil in the fire ?

Plugger
02-15-04, 23:08
Traveller, as far as I can tell only Skinless, Freeler, Bil and Juicespike believe you are a kiddiefucker. There are heaps more people here who don't think so. Don't stress out too much. We know where you're coming from. You made a honest mistake. I still think that Skinless and Freeler have overreacted. You must have touched a sensitive nerve with them. Look, only the four gringoes think you're a kiddiefucker. Notice the lack of response from other posters.

PH, doesn't count. He works on an entirely different agenda. You're not German?

The Traveler
02-15-04, 23:08
beetlejuice

i would definitely prefer to get laid instead of wasting my time with this useless discussion :)
but would you stay silent if someone calls you a **** and criminal ?

i know those guys are deliberatly misunderstanding me, or they are just looking for an excuse to start an argument, or both.

just ignore it, that's why i asked jackson to keep the other threads clean of that bs.

The Traveler
02-15-04, 23:22
Plugger

I already noticed that only those you mentioned have an agenda. Most members don't want to waste their time with it and they seem to got more brains and understood what I said.

I also got supportive PMs (Freeler won't believe it anyway :)) from people who just do not want to get involved in it.

As I already have mentioned, at first I was bewildered and shocked by those accusations and defended myself but after a while their behaviour had an entertaining character for me. Even though I am still deadly serious about that matter. Those guys are repetetive and do not argue. They only state accusations without any prove.

A total lack of rationality and objectiveness.

Maybe they have fallen into the same trap in the past. They should think and being honest about it.

Anyway, I feel that this discussion is close to an end. There is nothing left to say, but who knows, maybe they will change track and try something new. This shit is addictive :D

Thanks for your objective and realistic approach to that matter.

Have fun and beware

Pauline Hanson
02-15-04, 23:24
Report deleted by Admin.

Jaimito Cartero
02-15-04, 23:54
saying you had sex with a "slightly" **** girl is like saying you only came a "little" inside her snatch, and can't understand how you could possibly be the father.

traveller, the more you talk, the bigger the hole you dig yourself. i'd cut my losses, and run like a mo-fo.

it always amazes me that people who have so much mongering experience seem to do some really unwise things. if it were yoiur first trip to thailand, i might understand not asking for id. but when you've been going so long, and have so much more info than most people have, an excuse of "i didn't know", just doesn't wash. and it's not like it was just once, either.

it's a strange day when i find myself mostly agreeing with the motley crew on here. as stated, given the definition of ****, that doesn't seem to be a proven charge against him yet.

PsyberZombie
02-15-04, 23:56
much as i *hate* to repeat my·self, some·times it's necessary =

some terminology needs to be clarified here because it seems that some of you guys aren't talking about the same thing.

****philia is an intense and recurring desire to have sexual relations with sexually immature children. ****philia is a psychiatric disorder and is abnormal and illegal.

ephebophilia is the perfectly normal desire to have sexual relations with a sexually mature individual who just happens to legally ****. while normal, acting on ephebophila is also illegal, and is called statuatory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in the u.s. legal system.

you can be an ephebophile in one jurisdiction and perfectly legal in another. also important to note is that with any given individual desired, relations cease to be illegal at some 'magical' moment [ typically, midnight on the the person's 18th birthday ]

here's an example:

take a look at these images of the 17 year old bridgette bardot:

http://*******.com/3c2p2


any normal man will find this beautiful woman sexually attractive.

if you were to act on those desires where i live [rhode island , u.s.a.] , it would be perfectly okay because the age of consent here is sixteen.

but if you were to act on those desires just a few miles away in boston, where the age of consent is eighteen, you would be considered a criminal and if prosecuted and convicted would most likely be sentenced to a prison term.

i only point this all out because some people here call apparent ephebophiles, ****s; and there is a world of difference between the two.


+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +


now, would you people please stop calling the traveler
a ****** !!!

because, clearly, that is not what he is !!

Tantrik
02-16-04, 00:03
from encyclo****ica britannica:

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=60408&tocid=0&query=****&ct=eb

****philia;

"also spelled paedophilia, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children." ( my cap. )


just some basic facts in case some of you might be interested.

so by definition, even someone who targets **** 15-17 year old working girls every time he wants pro action ( unlike traveler ) is not a ****. not my decision, if you don't like it, talk to britannica.

also, denouncery is not mandatory in thailand and most other ( semi- ) democratic countries.



traveler,

i've been watching this "debate" for a long time, and you seem to have great self control since you're not responding to those outrageous personal attacks. you must be a buddhist or something.


plugger,

seems like a lot of people are too intimidated to state their opinion because of the constant harrasment of a small group of posters. i thought there were rules against harassment on this board? aren't they enforced or something?

Dashing Don
02-16-04, 00:05
Your response Rabbi Skinless? Nothing to add? Come on. This thread is great so lets keep it going. Don't let all WSG know that rabbi john skinless was outgunned by a Namblero.

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 00:16
Plugger,

I never called Traveler a Kiddiefucker. I have doubts about his actions and I think he does too. In the end, it his business and only he knows what went on.

So, don't get me started.

juice

The Traveler
02-16-04, 00:18
jaimito

you got me wrong. i do not try to say that i "only came a "little" inside her snatch".
but skinless and freeler try to make a case that i raped a kid. that sounds like going into a kindergarden and [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) an 8yr old.

you pointed out that i did not ask for their ids. i did in two of the three cases. one told me that she forgot it at home and the other said that her auntie had it in her purse. to reconfirm their age i asked other girls at the bar, who willingly confirmed that they are of legal age and stated the same age as the girls did before.
in the third case i had not a single doubt that she is 20yrs old. so i did not ask for. i also told her that we will go to the disco afterwards. she knew too that her id will be checked by security at the entrance of the disco but did not mention that she can not enter.

i guess you have not seen my question, since this thread is growing fast.
what do you do if a girl shows you the id of a relative or friend ?
there is no way for you to find out.

Jaimito Cartero
02-16-04, 00:35
actually, i have followed this discussion from the beginning. i would think that if this happened one time (no id, and finding that she's ****), you would use some caution in future cases. obviously you didn't, and even used your posts about "watch out for these **** girls" as a bragging tool about how you got "fooled". i'm not sure about the country you're from, but in the us the prisoners have a tendency to treat sex abusers housed with them as their semen receptacles.

you expect any working girls to tell you the truth? you handsum man, i love you, only go with you - not other falang, oh yes i 20 year old. in my dealings with thai girls, 80% when asked how old they were would play the game, "how old do you think i am"? they'd all smile and say, "yes" to whatever i said. this was on my first trip to thailand, and i learned quickly never to answer the question, and to ask for id. it's pretty simple, really. i guess there really is an advantage to getting more experienced girls, which your plight has brought to light.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 00:35
Tantrik

I am not a buddhist :), but this would probably be the only religion I would choose.

I am mature and my self-control is a side-effect of doing martial arts for a very long time. I also try to handle this serious matter with the seriousness it deserves. I never use to judge people without prove of their guilt. I believe that flaming, throwing insults and accusations do not lead anywhere.

All those guys who do not act in the same way disqualify themselves by their behaviour. Their agenda is too obvious. If they would really wanted to protect those girls then they would take action (donate or whatever) to help them out of their misery. But instead of doing so, they wait till they are mature and fuck them later. Pathetic.

Bil is a very good example for it. Joe Zop proposed to donate for a charity which helps prostitutes. His answer was "if the donation included a BJ". He was also argueing that donating would be a waste of money and that he appreciates the new supply to the sex scene. In short, those girls get what they deserve. Now he tries to protect the very same girls from me, which he rejects to help before. Double standard ?

Have fun, enjoy and beware

The Traveler
02-16-04, 00:41
Jaimito

bragging is your interpretation, not my intention. English is not my natve tongue, please do not forget that. If you are as smart as you say you should also know that different cultures have a different approach on things.

I checked back with other girls at the bar, I had nothing else to rely on and they confirmed it. Now everybody wants to be smart and says it's obvious, but if I would have posted a different age nobody would have doubted it. Should I run away from every girl that does not carry her ID ? And what if she would have showed me the ID of a friend or a relative ? You still haven't answered that !

Tantrik
02-16-04, 00:42
jaimito cartero:

"saying you had sex with a "slightly" **** girl is like saying you only came a "little" inside her snatch"


reply:

don't you see the difference between screwing a girl the day before her 18th birthday and screwing a prepubescent kid? would you classify a slap as the same as beating a guys brains out with your fists because both can be defined as hitting someone?

i'm not an expert on the thai legal system, but in many countries, screwing **** girls is perfectly legal as long as you're in good faith that the person is above legal age. according to traveler, it seems he took several precautions with these girls to ensure they were not ****. so yes, screwing a slightly **** girl does seem different than screwing a kid.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 00:55
Tantrik

as already pointed out, even the NO ID NO GO isn't fool proof and I wonder why all those who accuse me avoid to answer how they handle it.

If this would have happened in my country I only would have to scare legal actions against me if the girl would file a suit, but she would then have to explain why she agreed to sex.

The situation in thailand is somewhat different. Sex with a girl below the age of 18 is against the law. Knowingly or not doesn't matter, but punishment will definitly take in count that the girl lied to me and agreed to have sex. Anyway, local authorities do not care and the girls would not file against me. Police could stop that easily by constantly checking the IDs of the girls and issuing huge fines if violations occur.


Thanks for your support and clarifying

Joe Zop
02-16-04, 01:04
my biggest problem with this whole thread is this: traveler posted some pics and said, can you tell which of these tgs are **** because i got fooled by them. that very viable and useful warning has been completely drowned out by the righteous indignation over him not figuring it out. if he had simply posted the same pics and said, hey, these particular photos of working girls are of ****d workers so be careful then everyone would either have said, "gee, thanks" or, more likely, "you're full of it and i don't believe you -- prove it."

this whole site is useful because in addition to concrete information and field reports it contains cautions and examples of mistakes folks have made, which allows us all to avoid them in the future. the basic message this thread gives to me is this: if you've made a mistake of any kind you're an absolute idiot to admit it on wsg because you're going to get flamed to death.

Skinless
02-16-04, 01:04
****= child
law= child prostitution law of thailand
phile= like.
here is a famous **** [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901). dangerous criminals who commit child [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) always paint the young [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) out as the temptresses. ****s refuse to admit their guilt. it will be up to the courts to do the interpreting, not up to us.

my biggest problem is traveller. look how my involement with him started from when i replied to him and to swden. he insists on getting the last word in. he refuses to see where he is has gone wrong. he displays all the signs of a serial ****.

Joe Zop
02-16-04, 01:09
actually skinless, i don't know about all that -- take a look at the very nice post a while back by mr jon -- it spoke to one of my questions regarding the wording of the thai law, which by my reading of syntax, says "whoever ... commits intercourse ... against a person over 15 but not yet 18 ... in a place for prostitution shall be punished..." that law is about regulating child prostitution, not defining [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), and it seems to me it speaks of on-premises activities.

i'm with jackson in that i think 18 is a moral line, and as i've said before i'm personally basically uninterested in teenagers as sexual partners, but if hyperbole were hydrogen this whole place would explode.

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 01:13
**** girls and ids.

back in 2002 when i was more into the bar scene (i now prefer regular girls) i went to nana's playskool a go go bar.

there was this very cute and young looking girl dancing. she was beautiful and had a big smile. she came over and sat down with me to chat. she was playful and very forward with me. we hit off and chatted for a while. then she started the usual touching and "lets go" line. i was wondering about her age. i asked her age and she told me she was 19. i was skeptical.

this was only my 3rd trip to bkk and i was by all means a newbie.

she wanted to go with me but i played hard to get because it is fun and also because i was skeptical about her age and i felt a little too old for her. at that time i was 34. she told me she liked me a lot (they all say that) and she even offered a discount for going short time. i said ok. i paid the bar fine and we headed out the door.

outside the bar, i stopped her and asked to see her id. she said i dont have one. i said we don't go then. she said wait and she pull out her id from her bag. i looked at her id and did the calculation. the picture of her was questionable but her age was 19 as she has told me.

we started to walk away from the bar feeling weird because i knew something was up. i also felt that she was too young for me even if she was 19 according to her id. she was child like, very playful but also slutty like 23 year old horny woman would be.

i stopped her again and asked her if she was lying to me about her id and age. "no, c'mon lets go..." she said. i asked again and again. she started laughing and said that she was 17 and new in the biz but mamassan at the bar did not know her true age.

i turned around and headed back to the bar with her following me. i was not pissed off but relieved that my instincts were right. i don't know why i even paid the bar fine when i was not really interested in her becuase how young she acted despite having her little jaded sexual "c'mon" with me. she was very good at convincing me to take her.

she kept following me and yelling at me. i went inside the bar and saw the mamassan. i told her that this girl was not 18 and she insisted that she was. i said i dont care and i want my bar fine money back. by now i had a little crowd around me and the bar guards getting on my face.

i said i will not leave until i get money back. mamassan offered me another girl but i said i was not interested. the yelling got louder and i just waited. finally i got my money back and left.

the next day i went back to the same bar and notice that the girl was not working but it could have been her night off. i got dirty looks from the staff but i did not give a shit. drunk a beer and left.


juice

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:16
skinless

you claim to be an expert in thai law. if so you should know about the punishment in the described case.


sex with a minor below 15 : it's a crime and the local authorities will be after you, no matter what.

sex with a girl between 15 and 18 : it's up to the girl or her parents to file a suit or to agree on a payment. local authorities do not interfere !

sex with a girl 18 and above : no one cares.


ths is first hand info i gathered from a specialized female police officer at the pattaya police station we called for further questioning in the already mentioned [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
just for freeler : that member already confirmed it to jackson. maybe he will comment on it soon. i also told that member that he do not need to expose himself, but left it up to him to do so. a man of honor would never enforce it by saying you owe me one.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

so skinless, that's what the local authorities say about it. in short no crime. it's up to the girls or their parents. none of them called police afterwards, wonder why ?

Tantrik
02-16-04, 01:23
Thanks Traveller, no problem. Martial arts for a long time? Had to be something. :-) I do boxing and weightlifting, but it only seems to make me bigger and angrier. But hey, I'm a highbrowed university student, I don't like to get into fights or anything. Maybe I should do some more spiritual combat arts, certainly seems to do some people good.

Seems like there's some double standards here, yes...

And congrats on getting the best girls of all the guys in the section, according to the pics posted atleast. The best BY FAR. Maybe some of the guys that claim fucking 60 year toothless double-baggers is the pinnacle of achievement for a man actually envy you a little bit? :-)

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:24
JuiceSpike

thanks for that little story. You just confirmed what I am talking about since ages. They not also lie about their age, they also use faked IDs or IDs of friends and relatives.

You had the right instinct due to her behaviour, mine were just average, nothing worth to mention.

Lucky you

Skinless
02-16-04, 01:25
joe_zop: if you want to fuck with thai law, fine. i prefer not to see the inside of a thai jail by obeyong the laws of the kingdom of thailand when i am there. also, i prefer women not girls. it is very simple really. sure many would prefer a young teenager at first to relive our teenage years. but seydlitz )?) posted a long time ago about touring with a teenager, on her mobile phoneand listening to teenage music all day long. men soon grow out of such things - most men that it.

the general message going out here is that we should steer away from children. there is a specific message for traveller but like the adults in [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), he will not get it until it is too late.

tantric: we are talking about prostitutes. you pay "the best", you get "the best". easy to get a swelled head about it. your money does the talking with prostitutes. or traveller's money,in the case of ****d girls.

traveller: see a lawyer. and keep your mouth shut as you seem incapable of learning anything. these warning on fucking **** girls have been going on here for years. but you have ignored for over 20 years, what juice learned by his third visit. get a lawyer, you twit. sweden was just a fool coming here for medical advice when he claimed to have severe clap symptoms. you cannot see your problem but plenty of us can. you prey on children, not once but all the time. instead of trying to correct your criminal behavior or even keeping a low profile about it, you keep barging in here, like it is one of the pattaya discos you like to practise your martial arts in, looking for recognition: hey guys, have fun with jail bait. zero tolerance for ****s.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:27
Tantrik

yep.

You can do the smileys like that (without spaces in between). There is a max of 5 smileys per post.

: ) = :)
: ( = :(
: D = :D
: o = :o
: p = :p

Jaimito Cartero
02-16-04, 01:28
joe - i think the post about watching out for **** girls was valid. i believe, however, that the quantity of "oops" girls go towards the theory that he wasn't too concerned about it. his protestations have seemed to only dig the hole he is in deeper. it kind of reminds me of, "i did not have sexual relations with that woman". i saw many posts on wsg about checking ids, fake ids and such less than a year ago when i first came to the los.

traveller - fake ids? i don't think you said that any of your **** girls had these. this is a straw man defense. how many more girls that you were with do you think were ****, but that you just didn't find out? any guesses?

tantrik - i didn't say that he was a ****. he has admitted that he had sex with 16 and 17 year old girls who were prostitutes. is a 16 year old a child? they are in my eyes. they're not adults in *my* eyes until they're 18. as for the little semen comment, you don't seem to be getting it. just as some guys don't believe that a little drop of semen can get a girl pregnant, they don't think that a "little" **** should matter much either.

i agree that there are a lot of problems about these laws. things that will get you locked up now were socially accepted 40 years ago. you could be 25 and go out with a 15 or 16 year old girl. if you knocked her up, you were expected to marry her. there are still 30 year old guys going after 15 year old girls these days, but they will be in hot water if turned in. (then again, i think one state (mississippi?) has an age of consent of 14 or 15.

i think this subject is going to only get more confused as more governments get involved. this debate is now mostly a pissing match. the amount of chain yanking is reaching new heights.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:34
Jaimito

thanks, finally you are the second person besides JuiceSpike who picks up what I say about IDs since ages.
Nope, they had no faked IDs as far as I know, it wouldn't make sense.
My question was directed towards you. What do you do if she will show you a fake ID or one of her friends or relatives. You will be just like me then. How do you avoid that ?

So be very careful if you blame someone, you might be sitting in the very same hole.

Skinless
02-16-04, 01:36
JC: He broke the Child Prostitution Laws of Thailand on many occasions. He also thinks this is one big joke with his smileys. This man is a danger and he revels in it. He is up there with Michael Jackson, Paul Shanley, Gary Glitter and the others. He belongs on the Nambla board, not here.

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 01:37
traveler,

my little story is really about common sense. you have been going to thailand for many years. i have only been going there for 3 years (4 times a year).

given you experience (in mongering) and your thai language skills and i'm sure you have seen it all...shouldn't your instincts be a little more sharper with the **** scene?

that's is all i have been wondering about you.


juice

Tantrik
02-16-04, 01:44
skinless wrote:

"he displays all the signs of a serial ****."


from encyclopædia britannica:

"****philia, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with


=====>>prepubescent children."


so, do you find your novel interpretation of the word "****" in any major dictionay?

you see, constructing the meaning of a word from the meaning of individual morphemes is not grammatically correct. i could pick apart a word made up of several other morphemes ( smallest parts ) and get a word that completely defied my dicitionary. that doesn't mean my creative new meaning would be acceptable. comprende?

Jaimito Cartero
02-16-04, 01:45
Skinless - Hey, Michael Jackson hasn't admitted have having sexual relations(oral or otherwise), has he? At least The Traveller fessed up, I'll give him that. No hiding behind lawyers.

Juice - Spot on. That's exactly what I thought. For someone who has so much information to be fooled so many times either means he's A) Stupid or B) Lying. He's led everyone to believe that he's quite intellegent. The internet lets people pump themselves up, and people will try to seem larger than life.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:49
Skinless

smileys, big joke ?
You want to fight every single post of me, eh ?
Just saw that he did not know how to do them, like me just a few days ago. Just tried to help.

Would you please look at my post below regarding punishment. NO CRIME, that's what thai police says and I guess they should know.

I would also like to see if you would bring forward any arguments and prove instead of repetitive comments.
If my arguments are so weak, why you do not smash them by showing the weak point:. You seem to ignore everything I say. Is that the way how you use to discuss ? Scared about the answers you would have to give or follow the logic ?

Skinless
02-16-04, 01:50
when people speak of **** priests, they are not being strictly correct according to my "novel interpretation of the word "****" in any major dictionay" (sic).
they are speaking according to the law. and traveller admits to breaking the child (****) prostitution laws on several occasions. traveller has broken the law and, if caught and convicted, he will be sentenced as a **** (one who has an unhealthy liking for children who sell themselves). if you want to defend him, fine, go ahead. nambla has its defenders too. but just remember that you are helping others cmmit the same serious crimes traveller commits.


juice - spot on. that's exactly what i thought. for someone who has so much information to be fooled so many times either means he's a) stupid or b) lying. he's led everyone to believe that he's quite intellegent. the internet lets people pump themselves up, and people will try to seem larger than life.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 01:56
JuiceSpike / Jaimito

JuiceSpike said that he just felt too old for her. I can not judge about his feelings for himself, that's different for everybody. I myself still feel young and JuiceSpike has to admit that he looks older than me and might feel older than I do.

He also said, that her behaviour triggered his curiosity. The girls I picked acted absolutely normal. We walked to my bike, were joking a bit and went home. No strange or kiddy behaviour.

Anyway, his story confirmed that they use IDs of others and neither Skinless, Freeler, Bil nor Jaimito explained how they will find out about it. If they accept any shown ID they might sit right next to me in that so called hole.

Skinless
02-16-04, 02:01
traveller: again as people think you are either stupid or lying. yiu broke the law big time.
you are now trying to say it is up to the children you fuck to interpret the law and not up to the forces of the law to interpret the law. why do these children use fake ids? you are a serial **** and you have the cunning of one; you prey on them/ hunt them down andboost your ego in that way. go see a lawyer. and get other professional help too.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 02:01
Skinless

still missing arguments and prove.

You also still ignore reality. I won't be convicted. If you do not believe me go ask thai police. This is first hand info. Do not state facts you do not know about.

I do not just say that it is up to the girls. This also implifies that it isn't a crime ! If it would be a crime, thai authorities would be after me no matter what, right ? Anyway, I asked the forces of the law and they gave me that answer, it's their interpretion, not mine. Did you ask them ?

Skinless
02-16-04, 02:07
Your latest line is that you did the crime but it is not a crime to fuck children. Get help now!

The Traveler
02-16-04, 02:11
Skinless

nope. I always admitted that I had those girls but never admitted that is a crime. It's up to the one involved, not up to the authorities or you to decide on that.
At least I do not avoid to answer unpleasant questions like you do.

You still haven't answered how you handle that ID prob !

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 02:13
traveler,

well i don't know that i look older than you or younger or feel older or younger than you, etc. hmm.

anyway, the girl i met was not acting "abnormal" but playful like so many girls in the biz even if they are 25 years old...

again, my question to you is this:

given you experience (in mongering) and your thai language skills and i'm sure you have seen it all...shouldn't your instincts be a little more sharper with the **** scene?

give me a straight answer if you can.

juice

The Traveler
02-16-04, 02:25
juicespike

to be honest - i think i am the only one here - i did not use to think too much about the ****d problem. it's not in my mind because i do not target or are looking for them. i just try to avoid them to stay out of possible trouble.

when i meet a girl i will ask her for her age and id. if she has none with her i will ask others at the place about her age without let them agree on it. if i am still curious due to looks or behaviour i move on. but if nothing causes curiosity i am satisfied and stay.

if any of you are as honest as me they will admit that they act the same. or do you act like a private investigator ?

Tantrik
02-16-04, 02:25
skinless:

"he will be sentenced as a **** (one who has an unhealthy liking for children who sell themselves)"


making up you own definitions of words just because they "seem right" doesn't cut it - it's either in the dictionary or it's not. if it is, you're using the right word, and if it's not, you're either wrong or making stuff up. it's that simple.

until you can show us where the word "****" means what you say does in a dictionary, you might just substitute it for asshole, pos or any other abusive word.

when people talk about **** priests, they speak about men who target prepubescent boys for fucking, which is what the dictionary will tell you that ****s do. and even if they were mistaken, that wouldn't make it right for you to use the wrong word as well.

another thing that makes this discussion so irrelevant is that what appeals to ****s are persons who look very young - whatever their age is doesn't really matter. and anyone who looks old enough to be a bargirl or in a massage parlour is too old for a **** to like, no matter what their age is.

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 02:35
traveler,

in a post below,regarding my encounter with an **** girl you replied back with this:

"...you had the right instinct due to her behaviour, mine were just average, nothing worth to mention..."

did you mean to say that in general, your instincts are sharp but at that time your instincts were just average? have you ever refused an **** girl because your instincts were right/sharp at any other time?

give me a straight answer if you can.

juice

Joe Zop
02-16-04, 03:23
Skinless, you know perfectly well I've no intention or interest in messing with Thai law, but your response does very conveniently ignore my point and the ones made in the post to which I referred. As I recall, before you did the HODT, you hooked up with your beloved BB One when she was nineteen, right? Getting so all atwitter over someone who boinked someone who's only a bit more than a year younger than your "beloved" was seems very strange to me.

For someone who has reacted so indignantly in the past when posters even vaguely implied you'd done something that offended you, and who has threatened on numerous occasions to quit the board unless Jackson kicked them in the teeth, I find your repetitive lynch-mob mentality astonishing (not to mention your postings on the subject exactly what drove Jackson nuts with SA, in that you keep cutting and pasting the same things.)

Juice, I had a very similar experience to the one you posted (in precisely the same Nana go-go) only I didn't have to go through the barfine hassle because I was suspicious and demanded an ID inside the club before barfine and walked when it wasn't produced. As in your case, the girl acted much older, but my radar was up and I suspected she would seem much younger once I could see her in decent light.

But the bottom line is that I walked -- and your question is very much the same as mine, in that I find it highly surprising that a monger with the degree of familiarity Traveler has with LOS would be fooled not only once but on more than one occasion. There are many, many mongers who have posted here over the years who talk only of getting the youngest and newest available TGs, and this thread is, to say the least, a troubling statement on where that can lead.

Skinless
02-16-04, 03:24
tantrik: the subject of this thread broke thailand's child prostitution laws in a big way. he has difficulty accepting that core point and he has also difficulty accepting that he is in big shit as a result of that.
the **** priests seem to target teenage boys so **** priests by the dictionary is the wrong term, as the **** priests quite rightly and quite pendantically point out. the **** priests have an agenda playing with the dictionary. maybe you have an agenda playing with the dictionary to, who knows?
traveller has wasted a lot of bandwidth here because he refuses, like most serial child moselsers, to admit that he had done anything wrong and that he is a menace to society.
the dictionary might have one definition - or many definitions if you use a proper dictionary such as the oxford english dictionary (oed) which is the most definitive dictionary there is (let us leave webster's, ther macquarie etc out of it). i am not playing at wordsmith here as you are, or trying to outpope the pope. i am concentrating one one thing and one thing only: thailand's prostitute laws and how one man here violated them on many occasion. and how he stubbornly efuses to see what a dagner to society he is. i have two daughters, one aged 12 and one aged 14. i do not want him to be even in the same country as them, the same way i would not want a priest to be within 100 miles of them.

san francisco: i see all the gay and lesbian couples are getting married and that a lesbian couple who have been together for 51 years were first in line. they had to get the nambla brigade off thier backs and so have we.

joe zop: the bb one was 19, legal. she produced her id each and every time she stayed with me. i am not part of a lynch mob. i am investing a lot of time to get this traveller guy to see he is a menance to society. i am trying to stick by the child prostitution law and not get side tracked from it.

i could not find mr jon's post. the fact from your earlier post is he broke the law. it is up to the legal authorties in thailand to interpret thai law. if you want to act as defense attorney as argue about what a place of prostitution is, go for it. but i doubt your client would get off (in court).

Dashing Don
02-16-04, 03:51
Zop, Sinless, Freeler, Dinghy, Juice, Jaimito, Samus Aran: you're all a pain in the ass, and have been for years. I haven't read one good report from any of you, and some of you have hundreds of posts. Zop? The great philosopher? He has over a thousand posts, but hasn't been in LOS in years.

A good post is one that: gives the reader a feeling for the city; a flavor of the encounter; a sense of the girls involved; and a healthy dose of fun and adventure. All we get from this crew is how knowledgeable and all-knowing they are. Give me a report by someone who just arrived in Bangkok anytime, over the supercilious drivel these guys put out. If you want to know what good and intelligent reporting is, look up the Buenos Aires board.

So keep on beating up on each other. Maybe you idiots will go away. Thailand, the number one monger destination in the world deserves better than this bunch.

Skinless
02-16-04, 04:02
D Don: I agree. I am out. Bye Bye to one and all.

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 04:03
Dashing Don,

I just did a search on your posts and what the fuck are you talking about? 60% of your posts are on South America, 45% of those posts are about annoucing some trivial fact or asking questions on where to stay and/or eat. Your contribution to the Thailand section is minimal and most of those posts are to announce that you are staying at xyz hotel.

Nothing dashing about your contributions...

juice

Jaimito Cartero
02-16-04, 04:09
Don - I don't get where you're coming from. Most of the posters here are people who have given out tons of info on the locations they go to. You have 62 messages in 1 1/2 years, two of which were test messages by Jackson himself.

While I frequent the BA board a lot, I can't remember a great field report by you. If you can't get into an intelligent discussion, then you should just sit on your hands.

Tantrik
02-16-04, 04:11
skinless:


wtf.. so you've been having sex with a 19 year old yourself and now you're going on a moral crusade? what, did you carbon date her age or something?

i mean.. what if she had a fake id? wouldn't that make you exactly the kind of child molesting, criminal **** menace to society you've been screaming traveller is for the last days?

Dashing Don
02-16-04, 05:48
Hey Juice, I noticed that it took you only 12 minutes to respond to my posts. You couldn't have read my 62 posts in that short a time. So what the fuck are YOU talking about. Show me any post where I ask where to eat. What are you? A fucking moron. Or just plain dishonest.

You are part of the same cabal that infect this Thailand section with your hifalutin talk of 'newbies' and endless chitchat--boring stuff.

Joe Zop
02-16-04, 05:49
DD, I suggest you reread the archives. I was last in LOS a little more than a year ago, which is too long an interval to be away as far as I'm concerned, but which is right about the time of your last reported visit. Unlike you, I posted extensively about my trip during the time I was there.

Please point us to a single post of yours that fulfills your own description of "good."

Joe Zop
02-16-04, 05:50
And Freeler, I'm sorry to be here, and am leaving it, as I have had my fill of it -- it's a pretty pointless thread.

Freeler
02-16-04, 05:54
joe zop (i pushed the wrong button editing this post, so your post below should above this post...),

let me first say that i am sorry to see you here:(!

"my biggest problem with this whole thread is this: ******** posted some pics and said, can you tell which of these tgs are **** because i got fooled by them. that very viable and useful warning has been completely drowned out by the righteous indignation over him not figuring it out."

why would he want to post **** material if he was not in the business of distributing his ugly trade?
he repeatedly tells other kiddyfuckers how to go about it.
he jeapardizes this board with his **** material.
he started posting pictures of **** girls in thailand without anyone asking for it and told readers where to get these **** kids.
if anyone would have asked for it, he would have been in the banned users hall of shame straight away.
but the selfconfessed kiddyfucker can keep on posting freely.
and he can lie about other posters pm'ing him about this ugly subject.
and he keeps on asking questions the divert our attention from his crime:
fucking **** kids in thailand.

dd,

"zop? the great philosopher? he has over a thousand posts, but hasn't been in los in years."
--not true. don't lie!--

juicespike,

in your 02-16-04 01:35 post you ask a very valid question. but we all know the answer, don't we?

Plugger
02-16-04, 09:10
congratulations to everyone in this thread(me included). we have all managed to fuck up a perfectly good forum that the honourable jackson has given us.

i think one of the reasons the thai board is full of bs is because not many of us are actually in thailand. we're all sitting back in other countries wishing we were back in los having a spanking good time. as such, a lot of useless chatter comes about.

why can't you guys leave traveller alone? i think his contributions to this forum should allow us to give him the benefit of doubt. a couple of days ago, skinless was happily giving traveller advise, then all of a sudden all hell breaks loose. traveller posted all that **** nonsense weeks ago. why no fuss then, skinless? i can only conclude that you and freeler were peeved at his joke that you fuck women over the age of 60. how two faced are you guys? you can dish it out, but when it's given back, you cry like babies. (freeler's tantrum in hatyai)

the only word that comes to mind - bullys!

Bill
02-16-04, 09:45
EDITOR's NOTE: Report deleted by Admin.

Sainter
02-16-04, 12:59
Thanks for deleting Bil's post, Jackson. That threat he made definitely crossed the line.

:( This dispute seems to have split a once happy Thai thread into 2 sides. All our mutual respect for each other has now gone out the window. Hope you guys are satisfied.


PH, another ludicrous statement. How did you conclude that Traveller was German and Skinless a Jew? You're just stirring up trouble again.

Plugger
02-16-04, 13:20
Thanks Jackson. Bil you imbecile!


PH, mate at least I earn a decent living. Time for you to get back into your pig pen. Maybe you'll get lucky and Bil will be there to show you a "good time". :D

Admin
02-16-04, 13:24
NOTICE

This discussion will be terminated and all reports will be deleted on February 20th, 2004.

Thank You,

Jackson

Freeler
02-16-04, 16:40
so, from now on, anybody who wants to post **** material and tell others where to get **** girls can do so on wsgforum?
great!

The Traveler
02-16-04, 19:53
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
in a post below,regarding my encounter with an **** girl you replied back with this:

"...you had the right instinct due to her behaviour, mine were just average, nothing worth to mention..."

did you mean to say that in general, your instincts are sharp but at that time your instincts were just average? have you ever refused an **** girl because your instincts were right/sharp at any other time?

give me a straight answer if you can.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

sorry, language barrier and it was already very late here.

what i meant was, that you had the right instinct due to her behaviour, but the behaviour of the girls i took was just average, nothing worth to mention.
i referred to the girls and their behaviour, not to my instincts !

hope i was more clear that time

The Traveler
02-16-04, 20:11
you both doubt my intentions. you refer that i have a lot of experience and therefor must be a) stupid or b) lying.

i am neither stupid nor lying. you both are walking along a thin line with a white side at the left and a black side at the right.
my limit is set at 18yrs old sharp but due to my experience i know that this line is right in the middle of a grey field.

you both are smart enough to understand what i mean.

if anyone needs clarification read my next post.


you ask why i ran into an ****d girl more than once ?
please do not forget, that we only talk about the girls i took and not about the hundreds or even thousand i rejected in the past and that i will reject in the future.
maybe you too had an ****d more than once, the only difference between us is, that i found out later due to my payment habits. i put it into her purse, you might pay upfront or place it somewhere else. not knowing doesn't mean haven't done it.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 20:26
you posted a story that happened some time ago. joe zop had a similiar experience as well.

in short :

1.) you went to a gogo in nana and saw a cute girl and called her over.
2.) you asked for her age, she said 19.
3.) you asked for her id, she provided it and stated 19 as well.
4.) you still had doubts !
5.) you barfined her
6.) still doubts so asking again
7.) girl admits to be 17
8.) you reject her and go back to bar to get your barfine back
9.) the very next day the girl is gone


i have a few questions about it :

1.) why did you barfine her if you have doubts ? i wouldn't !
2.) what would you have been doing if she would insist to be 19 ?
3.) what would have happened if you wouldn't have any doubts ?
i doubt that you can sense every ****d liar. i see no reason why a 17yr old should act differently than a 18-19yr old. be honest.

possible answers :

1.) tell me !
2.) you would have fucked her. being a kiddyfucker due to skinless and freeler !
2.) you would have fucked her. being a kiddyfucker due to skinless and freeler !


furthermore i like to add that you did the worst thing that could be done in that situation. you taughed that girl a very bad lesson. don't be honest with a farang or you will be punished ! what do you think she will do the next time in the same situation ?

you were more concerned about your lousy 500 baht barfine than about the girl. i would have talked to her and explained how she probably will end. maybe would have invited her to look for another girl that i have to take instead of her. i also would have given her another 300 baht to reward her honesty and for loss of income.

we can not avoid them totally even if we try as hard as we can. we can only try to minimize the casualties.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 20:26
skinless and freeler said, that no id no go is the ultimate solution to avoid ****d girls.

so skinless and freeler go to a bar, gogo or whatever

1.) they see a girl that they like
2.) they ask for her age, she says 19 yrs
(skinless you had one as we just learned from joe zop, so you go for 19yr old women ? :d)
3.) they have doubts
(i guess they can sense every ****d girl, can you ?)
4.) they ask for id, which confirms 19yrs old.
5.) they pay barfine
6.) they go home
7.) they fuck the girl
8.) they are kiddyfuckers due to their own definition, because the girl is 17yrs old and provided the id of her 19yrs old sister.

ouch, gotcha. it hurts being hit by your own words and logic.

so welcome both in the hole you digged for me. say hello to jaimito and juicespike, they use the same system you do.

if any of you is as honest as i am than he would admit that this has/could have happened in the past and also might happen in the future. not knowing doesn't mean haven't done it

this is what i said from the beginning, there is no fool proof system. i do not say that any of you did it by intention, so why you say i did ? you do not know how many i rejected, we are only talking about those who made it through my filters.

juicespike and jaimito are excused. they did not intend it, they had a mature and somewhat objective approach on that issue.

skinless and freeler are not excused. they broke they thai law and will turn themselves in, to let the thai authorities decide how to treat those ****, dangerous, criminal kiddyfuckers.

Freeler
02-16-04, 21:46
no optional greeting, as i don't greet kiddyfuckers

don't you know that i only fuck old hags with their tits below their knees:d?
good to see you mastered the bold thing. i will stick to :), :(, :d and old hags.
i know you will stick to your **** girls and please do keep on telling everybody how to get them.
because from now on, anybody who wants to post **** material and tell others where to get **** girls can do so on wsgforum.
great! huh?

The Traveler
02-16-04, 21:54
Freeler

give it up, you all were nailed down by your own words and behaviour.

Only old tarts ? I remember that not long ago you posted something about a 23yr old one that laughs about farangs who overpay.
Was she 23yr old ? You probably even had and will have younger ones.

Freeler
02-16-04, 22:09
No optiomnal greeting, as I don't greet KIDDYFUCKERS,

Give it up, you were nailed down by your own words and behaviour.

I love copy and paste, just like :),:( and :D!

BTW,
You said it was the END some posts down.
Is it as difficult for you to stop posting as it is to KIDDYFUCK:D?

The Traveler
02-16-04, 22:12
Freeler

I make no exception for myself, I am honest but you are still lying to us and even worse to yourself and therefor are a far greater danger to the girls than I am.

BTW,
end of argueing but not end of thread.
Now the real fun starts seeing you in jeopardy with nowhere to go than flaming. But this not much change for you, eh ?

Freeler
02-16-04, 22:16
another cut and past:

there is a way to definitely avoid 'accidently' going with **** children: ask for their id.
no id no go!
why would you want to go with people who look like they are children anyway?

the_traveller wrote (02-10-04 21:31, last edited by the_traveler on 02-10-04 at 22:46):
"i just found out after the fact when i put some money into their purse and saw their id."
there is no excuse to 'accidently' go with ****d kids and to find out about it the next morning when you find their id.
means you didn't ask for it!
that is pretty strange for a person who travelled to and in thailand for 20 years and speaks the language very well!

thnx

The Traveler
02-16-04, 22:21
Freeler

same old story. Start the whole thing again ? Keep on trying to point at others ? You are full of guilt yourself.

I asked and she lied about it, not having it with her ! Can't you imagine that ?
She could have showed me the ID of a relative or friend like she did to you, same result.
Anyway she looked and acted like a legal aged girl so I had no doubts.

The Traveler
02-16-04, 22:27
I am off, enjoy yourself guys

JuiceSpike
02-16-04, 23:05
traveler,

here we go again. i will go back to the beginning to clarify my position then answer your questions followed by me not posting in this thread anymore. it’s getting very old.

a. this whole thing, from my perspective, started with you posting pictures of **** girls you had sex with and what it seem to me you were bragging about it. this of course could be a culture thing but my perception of you was that you were bragging about it. so, i questioned your intention and now your expertise, and instincts.

b. i have never called you a kiddyfucker, stupid or a liar.

c. from meeting you and knowing a little about you i have concluded that you are a pro with the sex biz in thailand. it is because of this that i have questioned your intentions and actions. i think the people in here that are trying to lynch you are doing so because they have been offended by your actions and by how you are trying to defend yourself. at times you have come across like a desperate man trying to clarify your position and “innocence.” maybe you don’t see it but it is here where you have dug a bigger whole for yourself and even made others (and myself) question you again and again.

d. your self-confidence sometimes comes across as arrogance to me but i think it is not how you intend to be perceived. it could be a cultural thing. but, at the same time you claim to have 20 years of experience in thailand (i believe you) yet your expertise and experiences have not given you the common sense that if you post pictures of minors you had sex with and not expect questioning of your intentions and actions then you have not learned much. it does not matter what reasons you had to post those pictures. you know, or should know that this is a sensitive subject to many men including the owner of this site. personally, i think that if **** girls are selling themselves is a sad thing but the world has bigger problems like hunger and aids.

e. your english is good and you are good at articulating your thoughts, ideas and defense in a way it appears to make sense yet sometimes you don’t answer directly. for example i asked you this:

[in a post below,regarding my encounter with an **** girl you replied back with this:
"...you had the right instinct due to her behaviour, mine were just average, nothing worth to mention..."
did you mean to say that in general, your instincts are sharp but at that time your instincts were just average? have you ever refused an **** girl because your instincts were right/sharp at any other time? give me a straight answer if you can.]

and your replied was:

[sorry, language barrier and it was already very late here.
what i meant was, that you had the right instinct due to her behaviour, but the behaviour of the girls i took was just average, nothing worth to mention.]

that is not a direct answer in the context of questioning your instincts about her age (looks and demeanor) not about her behavior. i don’t know what you mean by average behavior. it could be a language thing. or you chose to make it a language issue when the question was a little harder to answer in a straight forward matter.

to answer your questions about my encounter with an **** girl:

1.) why did you barfine her if you have doubts ?
answer: because i still had plenty of time to confirm my doubts before anything happened.

2.) what would you have been doing if she would insist to be 19 ?
answer: i would have gone with my instincts (not believe her age) and not take her and get my money back.

3.) what would have happened if you wouldn't have any doubts ?
answer: i would have gone with my instincts that she was too young for me and asked for my money back.

in the same post with the questions above you also wrote:

“furthermore i like to add that you did the worst thing that could be done in that situation. you taughed that girl a very bad lesson. don't be honest with a farang or you will be punished ! what do you think she will do the next time in the same situation?

are you kidding me? i could really careless what lesson i was teaching her. i was going to get my money back and let the bar owner know that i was not interested in **** girls and maybe this means that she should not hire **** girls. if you choose to be an advocate for the working girls and their income losses then more power to you but if you really care for them long term then stop hiring them.

i’m not judging you. i’m only questioning you and challenging you in the same way you have done to me.

this is my last post with this topic. wish you well. take care.


juice.

Skinless
02-16-04, 23:09
traveller: the bb one had only one sister: 13 years old. your type?
the bb one like all others was of legal age. your argument is full of socractic steps and is flawed. she was legal; yours were all illegal. you broke the child prostitution law, not once but many many times. you have lied here about people pm ing you. you and you alone are the self confessed child [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126). you check their ids -after you [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them.

dashing don: i too checked your posts. i see you have another one in this thread, praising this thread as great fun. oh well, if you get off on that, fine. better than waht traveller does. and legal too.

Sainter
02-16-04, 23:14
A slight correction on plugger's earlier post.
The two elements of a crime are mens rea(intent) and actus reus(act). Most crimes require the two elements for a guilty verdict. The only exception is if the crime is a strict liability offence in which case, intent does not need to be proven.

Tantrik
02-17-04, 01:01
Skinless:

"The BB One had only one sister: 13 years old. Your type?
The BB One like all others was of legal age."


And what if she had a fake ID? Hell you can get one that looks perfectly genuine in Europe without too much hassle, so getting one in a country as corrupt as Thailand would seem like an obvious choice for a 17 year old TG who wants to sell herself.

PsyberZombie
02-17-04, 01:15
do you guys realize that this entire board exists only because skinless doesn't know, and/or can't accept, what a **** is ??

i don't ever flame my fellow posters here ; but because jackson is gonna soon send this entire thread to the oblivion it deserves, i'm gonna make an exception in this one case =

may·be *brain·less* would be a better handle for ya , dood !!

Skinless
02-17-04, 01:48
tantrik: there is a difference. traveller is a serial child sex offender and a serial liar. he has a problem telling the truth. he likes to fight and then walk away. that is what he claimed to do in pattaya: break some guy up in a disco and then walk away with his (****d?) chick. people can make mistakes and a judge may or may not take that into acount. this is what might have happened to another forum member who was fucking jen, a 17 year old. nor for us to play monday morning quarterback here. fact is: everything juice and freeler said about the guy stands up.

you are right about europe. i am sure many of the ****s at the czech/german border would agree that it is easier to "make a mistake" in asia rather than europe. better ask traveller or osmeone else who might know though.

psyberzombie: brainless. ha ha. very funny. you are the first to change my nic around. if we exclude about 500 others who got there before you. this thread started because traveller posted photos of ****d children he fucked. freeler and others took exception. i got dragged in because traveller refuses to accept that he is a **** and a danger to society; he thinks he is some sort of hero. as we are dealing with child prostitution laws, i am using the word **** the same way kiddyfucker has been used: to drive home to traveller and those like you he might influence that what they get off on doing carry very stiff sentences in thailand. this is in the same vein i and others have warned people against using illegal drugs in thailand. traveller admits to breaking the child/**** prostitution laws of thailand. maybe you break them too, who knows? if you do, don't boast about it like traveller does. or, if you must boast like traveller does, expect some of us at least to hold you in total contempt.

Tantrik
02-17-04, 02:50
skinless:

i'm not getting into all the details here. the point is, simply, that anyone who screws enough young girls in thailand is likely to end up having sex with an **** girl no matter what she, her friends, her mamasan or her id says.

by your definition, that makes the person a ****. this hardly seems fair, and also, it means the only thing that might separate someone who's had sex with a young thai girl from being a **** is their luck. and that last category of people seems to include a number of current posters in this godforsaken thread.

Skinless
02-17-04, 03:06
Tantrik: I have stuck to the letter of Thai law, not to textbook or dictionary definitions. The element of (bad) luck is important: one way is not to screw so many young girls or, at least, not to purposely hunt them out. To see what makes Traveller especially different, please read the posts of Juice and, in particular, those of Freeler. The more I think of Traveller, the more revolting I find him. bar brawlers and Nambla types are not my type.

As for me: it merely confirms why I find a lot of guys in Pattaya and Bangkok revolting.

As for you and others: check the ID and, when in Pattaya etc, stay in a place with good house rules. Best to avoid where the scum stay.Best also to avoid the scum.

Early closing: When I stayed at Diana Inn (which gets the Skinless recomendation as they check IDs, thse of the BB One included, thoroughly), the head guy told me that most of his guests are in bed early with their (over 18) lady friends.

MeatMan
02-17-04, 03:55
Ok, the buck stops here!(I hope)

Guys If this keeps up, Jackson may as well end your mebership or,downgrade you to regular members.Come on fellas, lets end this and,get back to what this board is meant for!

He IS getting sick and tired of it!

Sting
02-17-04, 06:31
Skinless.

Remarks about ID'S:

There is no guarantee. It is sometimes a fake. I mean the girl shows the ID from her older sister or... If you look at the picture then you also can find out that it is hard to realize if its the same girl. I mean you can see a foto which was taken in their village. The girl was not dressed up.

Sorry, but I think you know. The security in hotels like Diana Inn not look at the picture so thoroughly.

Really, I don't want to know how many people had girls with a fake ID.

If you have any idea how we can find out that this ID which was shown from the girl is 100% correct. Let me know.

I think it is difficult. It is also very difficult for someone who can speak the language and who grows up in Thailand.

Also it is very difficult to find out the age of the Thaigirl. As you know a girl who is 30 years old looks sometimes like 23 or... It is sometimes incredible.

Or you can see girls which have a perfect body but 3 kids.

It is sometimes really hard to believe...

Sting

Skinless
02-17-04, 06:55
sting: you have a point but it is peripheral to the discussion here. traveller fucks the **** kids and "spots" the id in the morning - after he has fucked them. the id reads **** not over age so your point, though important, is not central.

read what freeler wrote. i came late into this and it is traveller's attitude and lies which have brought me to the eye of the storm. he remains in denial. he will swagger around pattaya, picking up **** chicks and boosting his ego in the process by fucking them and posting their **** pics here, as he has already done. don't copy him as you only have to be caught once to be well and truly fucked: thai law does not condone people like traveller who break the child prostituiton laws.

joe zop: i see your letter in the letters page and i will leave it there as you are not worth replying to. i have wasted over 50 or so posts trying to explain basic law to yourself and others who defend the **** phile. (the perverse liker of children), the child [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126), the breaker of thailand's child prostitution laws, however you want to put it. glad he is your friend, not mine.

Skinless
02-17-04, 11:36
[pertinent story for traveller have fun loversfrom today's mainichi re ****: please notice the age - 16. but hey this is japan and we are only ....

chiba -- a former tokyo high school teacher who escaped with a fine for smuggling a hard disk containing thousands of child pornographic images last year has been arrested for taking an **** sex tour of southeast asia.

hideaki nakao, a 48-year-old former instructor at tokyo metropolitan ueno high school, allegedly paid to have sex with at least eight girls aged between 12 and 16 in a red-light district in the suburb of the cambodian capital phnom penh during the school's summer holidays last year.

nakao has reportedly insisted that he did not know the girls were ****. "i couldn't tell their age," nakao, of tokyo's nakano-ku, was quoted by police as saying following his arrest on monday.

chiba police and their colleagues at narita airport said nakao faces charges for paying 15 to 20 u.s. dollars to have sex with two 16-year-old vietnamese girls in mid-august last year.

investigators said the english teacher was a regular sex tourist to southeast asia. he visited the region 19 times during school holidays since 1997. cambodia was his favorite destination as he went there 12 times apparently to exploit **** girls.

the ****philic educator was originally arrested in august last year at narita airport for trying to smuggle through customs a computer hard disk containing over 6,400 pornographic images of himself with **** girls, as well as several video files. he was fined 500,000 yen at the chiba summary court and was allowed to walk free.

the tokyo metropolitan government's education bureau fired nakao on jan. 31. (mainichi shimbun, japan, feb. 17, 2004)

Sainter
02-17-04, 11:41
That's why I reckon around half the single men who go to Cambodia are kiddiefuckers.

Japanese man? Why doesn't that surprise me?

Skinless
02-17-04, 11:43
Note the age and "TheTraveller Defense

Sainter
02-17-04, 12:26
i can see where you're coming from skinless.

let me run through my opinion.

1) yes, he has admitted to fucking ****d girls. i've never had that experience, though i do note that some of you have, albeit unintentionally.

2) traveller's version when talking about id's is a little suspect. i'd have thought that someone who boasts 20 years of experience would know better. but it is true what he says about the girls showing a different id(sister or friend). let's be honest, how many of us check an id thoroughly?

3) he posted the photos as a warning to others. maybe that's what it was meant to be, a warning. why can't we give him the benefit of doubt? perhaps he really is as innocent as he sounds. perhaps you've misconstrued his intentions.

4) in thailand, the age of consent is 15 for sex. but the age of consent to be a hooker is 18. many would consider this a technacality. i think some mongers would even argue that having sex with a 17 year old does not make one a ****. let me be clear about this, i do not support this notion. to me, they are still children. but thats just my view, not the view of others here.

5) he didn't report the pm's to jackson. yes, shame on him. i too have received numerous junk pm on other ridiculous subjects. but i have never received any on finding young girls. rest assured, i'd be the first to tell jackson. maybe his inaction makes him look guilty. maybe he just likes to sit idly by and watch crimes being commited. or maybe he is just clueless about the severity of the pms. some people just look at bs pm's and delete them straight away without giving it a second thought. if this is traveller, then yes, shame on him. but, i'd have to say that society today has made people in general uncaring and too willing to turn a blind eye. i think a lot of other people(not me) would have deleted them too. it is true that because this is a free forum, they can just come back under a different nickname. maybe that's how he justifys his inactions.


i can see bot sides of the argument. let me conclude by saying, i find ****s to be seriously depraved individuals who deserve long jail time as well as some strokes of the cane. as such, i'd like to have proof beyond reasonable doubt before i accuse someone and tarnish his name. in traveller's case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, even a confession(although he reckons the act was accidental). however i think that he was probably ignorant even stupid in some of his actions. but to call him a ****, i've not yet seen enough to justify making that dramatic call. call me lame, but i like to see the best in people and i sure hope i'm right about the traveller.

Joe Zop
02-17-04, 16:37
Very well said, Sainter, and close to my own opinions.

The Traveler
02-17-04, 21:11
final clarification- statement

bil :
i am just back because a member of this board urged me to post what we were talking about via pm, so please save your comment :d

first i like to state that we obviously all agree that [CodeWord127] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127) and ****s are the lowest sort of living creatures in this universe. ****s are sick and need treatment and should be punished very hard. nobody here has any sympathy for them. period

furthermore i prefer girls in the range of 20-25yrs old. they are more experienced, mature, better to talk too, got more style and keep you out of trouble with the authorities. oh yes, i find them more sexy, because their body is better developed. my pics prove that statement. period


skinless and freeler :
you always like to ignore some parts of my statements which do not favour your point of view and repeat the ones who do. see and quote them in the whole context. why are both of you so bossy, ignorant and snotty ? you like to draw a perfect picture of yourself, targeting only women. 19yr old women ? due to your definition everyone under the age of 18 is a kid, but suddenly at midnight of their 18th birthday they turn into adults (women). isn't there any stage in between ? being an adult means to have some sort of experience and being mature. how do they get it in that magic second ? real life is much more complex than just repeating those wrongly interpreted self made definitions. anyway, it took you and freeler almost 3 weeks to find out that you have to protect those girls and start that flame war. what took you so long ? proper argumentation and a rational approach like most others did would have fitted both of you much more.. you are definitely capable of that. come back to earth, you are much smarter than that.

i always found people like the both of you who do not analyze their own behaviour and criticize themselves extremely dangerous because they won't learn from their mistakes, always believing they don't do them and therefor repeat them again and again. can you say with 100% certainty that you never ever had been fooled by an ****d ? be honest !


regarding ids :
as i said a thousand times, i asked for their age and they lied about it. i asked for their ids to confirm their age but they lied again saying they forgot them at home or is with a relative. so i asked others at the bar who confirmed their age.
i asked before ! got it this time ?

due to my payment habits - i put money in their purse instead putting it in jeans or paying upfront - i found their id after the fact. should i have searched them for their id or drugs before i picked them ? do you or anybody else act like this ? not knowing that you fuck an ****d doesn't mean it did not happen !

the only difference between me and others is, that i was stupid enough to be honest and admitted that mistake. if i would have kept quiet or would have lied about it we wouldn't have that thread and everything would be fine. but it still would have happened !

let's not forget, we are talking about the ones i accidentally picked and not all the others i rejected !
so do not call me a ****, my pictures prove that i prefer legal aged girls and i am not after ****d !

my assumption that the members of this forum were mature persons who will discuss a serious matter with the seriousness it deserves, exchanging arguments without flaming, being rational and objective was wrong. most did, but a few exceptions.


skinless you do not know the facts, only i do, so based on what evidence you call me a liar ?
freeler, as far as i know that member of the forum with the raped girl-friend already confirmed it to you. do you still call me a liar too ?


at least here is a quote of the messages i exchanged via pm with that member and which i was urged to post :

traveler wrote :
"i learned from that discussion to pay much more attention to that problem. i did not think too much about that matter because i never targeted them, just tried to avoid them and did what most of us would do. ask for their age, check id if in doubt, ask others who know them if no id available.
due to my paying habits i had found out after the fact. others might have done the same but not knowing about it."

that member wrote :
"obviously, everyone can be wrong about things, and that goes for this issue, this discussion, and everything else -- that's part of being human. the issue is always how we learn from those things as we move forward."


even though 99% of this discussion is just plain bullshit it wasn't worthless !
i and maybe others will be more careful in the future.


peace to all

Pauline Hanson
02-17-04, 23:20
Report deleted by Admin.

Samus Aran
02-18-04, 01:26
traveler:

the problem with you is that you are always trying to prove yourself better than the rest of us. example, you boast about the profits you make in the stock market. or, your fluencey in thai. moreover your experience in thailand and how only you get the prettiest girls and how all of them think your hansum. also, that they love only you. you have a tendency to put yourself above the rest.

sa can do it but you can't. you have not developed your character. stick with what you know ( which is little) and don't go around insisting that you are the best lover in thailand. join the rest of us in just providing good stories and info, not babble about **** girls and how you shtoop thme unwillingly. man, you should keep that shit to yourself.

samus aran

Skinless
02-18-04, 01:28
Traveller: You are a criminal. You broke Thailand's Child Prostitution laws on many occasions. You lied about people PM ing you. The rest of your bs is irrelevant. You belong in jail. Period.

Skinless
02-18-04, 01:35
well said sa. 20 year expereince in thai - fucking ****d children. i think freeler wants personal details on el sicko traveller from you so he can have el sicko arrested..

sainter: no needfor racist japan bashing. japan has now very strong anti child prostitution laws and many jmen have been busted and jailed over the last 3 years for doing what el sicko traveller does. the biggest child prostitution scene now is on the german czech border. ask traveller for details.

Beetlejuice
02-18-04, 06:18
This whole thread is making me sick...Why wiat 2 more days?

Pauline Hanson
02-18-04, 08:56
Did something bad happen to you as a child Skinless? Maybe that's the reason you're acting this way. I think it's you who needs to see a psychologist/psychiatrist. :D

1Ball
02-18-04, 13:45
Amen, Beetlejuice, looking forward to the 20th.

nothing interesting here.....

Admin
02-18-04, 15:43
NOTICE

I agree. This entire section makes me sick, but out of respect for the long history of the combatants posting here, I will stick to my own rules.

This discussion will be terminated and all reports will be deleted on February 20th, 2004.

Thank You,

Jackson

OttoGraham
02-18-04, 15:57
oh man, can i get some on-topic shots in before the 20th?

how's this:

"has anybody heard about how john kerry spent his vietnam war r&r vacation in bangkok screwing **** girls?"

;)

-uncle otto

otto,

the official story is that he didn't actually penetrate them, he was only "experimenting".

jackson

Freeler
02-18-04, 18:56
Sorry,

I was off line for the past two days:(...
Did anybody really miss me?

Freeler
02-18-04, 19:25
all,

ok, i did some catching up and ******** is still in denial. he still says he'll stop posting but the just continues.

now, let me explain for the slower thinkers here, not many but there seem to be a few, ********'s mo to pick up **** girls:

(i realize that this is like a lesson in picking up **** girls, but this is all from ********'s posts):

go to a gogo and choose the youngest girl you can find.
ask for her age and hope she says she's 18 or over.
perhaps ask for her id but don't insist if she says 'no have'.
pay the barfine and take her out of the gogo.
take her to your hotel

here's the catch: the gogo is a place for prostitution as thai law describes it. the hotel is not...

abuse the girl but do not, repeat do not, promis her any money at all - this way you keep telling yourself: she loves me because i am hansum man!
abuse her, take advantage of her inexperience. like you, the ****, she is no good in the art of having sex, so she won't notice that you are nothing but a beginner, an impotent wimp around real women.
the next morning you put some money in her purse without telling her it is for the sex you had with her.
if you 'accidently' discover her id and see that she is only 17 yo, come to this board and express your outrage (and don't forget to post some pictures of your **** girl as well....)
this is how you can have sex with **** kids in thailand and get away with it.

now to all readers:
just take your time to check ******** posts and you will see that this is the above describes how ******** always acts when he picks up girls.

and while you are at it, you will also notice that other posters
--insist to check id's (no id no go),
--tell you to agree on price before taking her anywhere. you are going to have sex with a prostitute, don't deny that fact, that is why you have to agree on a price before you take her anywhere!
--say that there is no substitute for experience - not the experience you have with your **** girl, but the experience that your woman has gathered through years of fucking her brains out.

and again i wonder: why would you want to go with girls who look like children anyway?

thank you.

Skinless
02-18-04, 21:18
jackson, otto, freeler et al:
1. this thread was not a waste of time. far from it: there are some long standing posters (that's plural) i don't want to ever meet as they sicken me. maybe some people don't want to meet myself and freeler which is fine by me. and fie by freeler in the case of el ****.
2. serious issues were raised not only about the prime offender but all posters. most posters seem to be fine and go after women only.
3. john kerry: if he spent his r&r in bkk (sorry bangkok - no chat room style), he was probably into women, not girls. the guys in olangapo used to drill little girls then. not all of them but some of them. same as some guys here drill little girls. not all of us but some of us. key point and l **** traveller pretending otherwise with his phantom pms does not change that.
4. george bush or john kerry: personally i would go for lynntrash who posts on the boston board. he has a simple agenda, he fucks women, not little girls and he is honest.
5. freeler: not a bad summary but you omitted some important details:
a. el **** lied about getting pms from members. ****s are in a minority here.
b. with zop and a few fellow travellers (geddit it: fellow travellers) he tried to deflect the argument by pointing out that you and i fuck legit age women.
c. we can remember who contacts us but he cannot.
d. traveller broke the child prostitution laws on several occasions. that legal fact makes him a criminal in thai eyes and traveller and his fellow travellers cannot change that core fact. anyone copying him had better watch out as thai jails are not nice. this is a key issue and i hope he does not entice others to prey on the ****d
e. sa has rightly pointed out that traveller's character is under developed. that might explain why he bar brawls and preys on children.
f. these posts will soon be gone. but all of us should remember traveller and practise due caution with him.

Ljohnson
02-18-04, 22:08
traveler and skinless both have some serious "issues." traveler seems to have a "macho" ego hangup that will not permit him to allow skinless to have the last word. if traveler were more confident of his position, he would have stopped "playing this game" thousands of words ago. it is traveler's self doubt that keeps him coming back.

skinless, however, has the more serious issues. at a certain point in the discussion, he basically "snapped" and became irrational. all of his subsequent post read like those of a man dealing with a serious psychological hangup. one poster recently theorized that skinless may have had a bad childhood experience. not a bad theory; sounds pretty close to the truth. skinless has not sounded rational for some time; it is as though he is in an uncontrollable rage. my own theory is that skinless has his own tendencies toward, and attraction to **** girls; witness his gloating over going with the grannies. an overcompensation perhaps?

skinless, please try this on for size: when you react to someone in such an irrational way, as you clearly have done here, ask yourself the following:

"what is it that i cannot stand about myself, that i am seeing in this person right now?"

just one man's thoughts.

ljohnson

Skinless
02-18-04, 23:16
lbjohnson: thank you for your thoughts. as i mentioned earlier i have no time for psychologists as i consider them to be empty headed. psychiatrists yes, psychologists no. perhaps i should see one. perhaps. el **** should definitely see a lawyer though because he has admitted to breaking thailand's child prostitution laws.

you are probably right about his macho image. and about me: definitely not:d. i did not snap. quite the contrary. i tried to focus in on the law so make mr trav and others know he had committed a crime. that took many more posts than i would have wished. but it is awarning potential violators should heed.

as regards my hangups: the granny syndrome is, in large part, an act. few can pull an act off for a long time, not even the great sa whose recent posts lack his earlier zest. his multiple and repetitive posts send out an important message. i hope my one about breaking the child prostitution laws do as well.

when we hire out these ladies, we are all playng fantasies: they are hired holes: it is pay for play. the difference, and it is a key one is: i control whatever fantasies i have: i have tried several scenarios and they are not for me; i am pretty much plain vanilla. i do not break the child prostitution law. traveller does. i now stand accused of fucking thai women (not girls) all the way from 19 to 60, 70+. traveller and zop, his fellow traveller, got in before you and argued if i fuck legit women, then i fuck **** girls. that was their great argument. you merely say i fantasize about them. maybe i do (i don't actually). but i don't break the law so i have no need to worry about the inside of a thai jail as mr macho does.


at the moment, i am getting some professional help. from a recent college grad ( so = 21 plus); from a 28 yo hooker; and from sundry others, all of legal age.
am i a sinless skinless? no, i have my own demons. but i control them. and i do not fuck **** kids like traveller does.

i live in tokyo which has a thriving child sex scene as any japanese poster will tell you. i don't indulge at all.

so, lbj: an interesting and polite take but it does not deflect from the fact we have a sex criminal in our midst. thanks for your time and like all else, do read looking for lefty on the milwaukee board.

Left Fielder
02-19-04, 00:14
i can't wait for this topic to close down.

it's plain and simple. i really do not think that traveler or others here (who post regularly) intentionally go after ****d girls nor are they interested in posting about it. nonetheless, they are interested in young looking women (of the 18 yo-ilk), in which there is nothing wrong.

still, it is likely that some of the posters and a number of lurkers are interested in these young girls, and posts and arguments such as these will only give some of the ****s information on what and where. personally, i find this to be a horrible thing, but we cannot police everybody. what we, as a board, can do is simply stop posting so much about it.

if you have a personal vendetta and wish to prosecute someone (ie. as i'm sure a number of you are interested in doing to traveler), then you will do so. however, there is no reason to trash these boards with it as well. if you don't like what he has to say, let jackson decide whether the info should stay or not. do not start these inflammatory wars.

skinless - you seem like a good guy, but let's put an end to this. some day, if he truly is doing wrong, he will get his due.

traveler - same to you. moreover, you should watch out. there are likely a number of mongerers who truly have it out for you. don't add to the flaming. just report the 'good news' and let's all enjoy.

well said, thanks.

PsyberZombie
02-19-04, 00:39
to : skinless

traveler is not , i repeat *not* , a **** !!

a **** has an intense and recurring desire to have sex with children = if the kid has pubic hair , the trve **** has no sexual interest in that kid !!

how many times do i have to repeat this ??!!??

PsyberZombie
02-19-04, 00:42
Please refer to my post in Opinions > Child Prostitution ....

Skinless
02-19-04, 00:46
psyber: repeat it as often as you want. he has repeatedly violated thailand's child prostitution laws by violating thai children. i will keep repeating this as neccessary until 20th (ba time?) so that maybe you can understand it. it might make him a hero to his fellow travellers and fellow bar brawlers but not to me. or to thai judges. he is a self confessed sex criminal. he preys on thai children, as defined by thai law. geddit?

psyber: so now it is down to hair fetishes? :(you better watch your repetitive posts or the fellow travellers will start analyzing you;) maybe we can get a bulk shrink discount? :):(:d

otto g: john kerry did fuck ****. back in 1961 when he was at school. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3498847.stm he since moved on with his life and grew up.

Tantrik
02-19-04, 02:04
Ljohnson, PsyberZombie and others

There's nothing irrational about Skinless' strategy. Keep on being abusive persistently, and it doesn't matter if you lack a real foundation for what you're saying. Part of the dirt thrown will still stick according to some people's perception, which is the whole purpose in the first place.

Most people will be too intimidated to state their opinion in a situation like this, for the very real fear of being the next target of abuse. Look at this thread, and you see what I mean. Those who do protest will do it briefly and politiely. Rarely will someone use the strategy against the person who used it first; find some almost entirely imaginary reason for their abuse and keep repeating it loudly and persistently, like a mantra. That might have been the right thing to do here, but then again, this board has probably been dragged though the gutter enough already.

Some people don't have the ability to make moral judgements, and some that do don't care or are too afraid to do so publicly. Others state their opinion as a matter of self respect, but they don't want to sacrifice themselves by making an issue out of it. The people who won't stand for it and have the balls and the skills to end the problem, are rare as stars at midday, if I may try to be poetic.

It takes considerable skill to pull a harassment-strategy like this off, but if you can, it gives you a great advantage, because you don't have to be right to win the discussion. You have to be an intelligent rhetoric, have a couple of associates that stick with you no matter what in case the situation turns critical, and be reasonably respected with some segments of the audience. Also, it really helps to have a minimum of facts to build your foundations on, even though it's not absolutely necessary. Besides, almost everyone has something that can be used against them. But most of all, you have to be really agressive and persistent. And the less you care about other peoples feelings, the better. Most people are socialized against being extremely agressive, and to back off when they meet someone who is. This is ofcourse another advantage that the hounders have.

PsyberZombie: Look at how you're assuming a submissive role here. You're just trying to defend Traveller from attacks, rather than making attacks yourself. That won't impress anyone. It will make you seem guilty, while in reality, it's just a natural reaction to an agressive individual. In sum, Skinless is left having his hands free to harass Traveler, while at the same time superficially having a discussion with you. This works very much his way. Your arguments are getting stale too, so people are becoming bored. But hey, thanks for stating your opinions anyway! I appreciate it.

Ljohnson
02-19-04, 02:07
Skinless,

I just want to briefly thank you for your polite and reasoned response to my "armchair analysis." I am neither a psychologist nor a psychiatrist (though, perhaps ironically, I am an attorney) and I respect your skepticism regarding psychologists (although the psychiatrists I have know have been even more wacky than my psychologist friends.)

Your candid response is refreshing and appreciated. I also want to congratulate your "sparring partner" The Traveler, for his restraint in not taking any more bait and diving back into what has now become a futile and pointless debate. (It may not have been futile and pointless at the start, but it is now.)

Congratulations to Jackson for the decision to erase all of this in a few days.

LJ

PsyberZombie
02-19-04, 03:10
Tantrik the Zen Comic Insult Master writes =

" PsyberZombie: Look at how you're assuming a submissive role here. "

Kindly explain how pointing out a obvious Logical Flaw to a BRAIN·LESS individual makes me 'Submissive'

Tantrik
02-19-04, 03:29
PsyberZombie,

Never mind submissive then, let's just stick with defensive. You're basically defending yourself against his arguments rather well, but you're not doing any attacking. And a lot of people don't care about logical flaws, what they care about is the fact that someone gets to throw a lot of insults and partly seems to get away with it. Noone here's really throwing anything back at Skinless, they're just trying to refute him. But by all means, as far as arguments are concerned, you're the winner here.

In a boxing match, you'd see what I mean: Skinless is doing all the punching, and even though his adversaries seem to avoid most of the blows, that's not enough to make any of them win the fight.

Tantrik the Zen Comic Insult Master :)