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i am writing to all of you while i am in my apartment in rio. i bought magicjack in the u.s. for $40. this covers the device and also the first year. they supply you with a u.s. phone number. wherever you travel in the world, simply connect a landline phone to your computer and connect magicjack. i just called the u.s. and my number appeared on the caller id of the person whom i was calling. they also called me in rio with my u.s. number supplied by magicjack, and their number appeared on my caller id and the call went perfectly. connection was great. the cost of the call is zero!!
viper10i tried it from internet cafe tudo e facil on r xavier da silveira, my last trip. the connection was bad, couldn't hear each other. it requires a high speed connection.
Just get an iphone or ipod touch and make sure you ONLY use it in wifi mode while abroad. If you leave the iphone ATT network on you will be get hosed in roaming charges big time.
I just recently picked up an iphone, unblocked and jail broken. I put fring and skype on it just for going to Rio. I'll put a sim
card in my blackberry for local calls and use the iphone for long distance and surfing the net.
I just recently picked up an iphone, unblocked and jail broken. I put fring and skype on it just for going to Rio. I'll put a sim
card in my blackberry for local calls and use the iphone for long distance and surfing the net.
I've been thinking about getting an iphone & was wondering if I have it unlocked can I just buy a TIM card only & will it work as a phone? And will the majority of the other options the phone work? Or will I have to download or do something extra on the iphone to make all or most functions work?
Thanx in Advance,
Ohp1972
Exec Talent
01-27-09, 10:52
for the second time now i have had t-shirts "disappear" at the laundries in rio. i wear t-shirts all the time so i buy the best quality, ones that would sell for r$25 here if you could buy them.
my suggestion is to do your own count and give them an itemized list. i have had very good service at the speed queen place on domingos ferreira near figueiredo magalhães. unfortunately, i am staying much closer to lava kilo places which interestingly is the same chain where my other t-shirts "disappeared."
file this under one more way brazilians go out of their way to rip off the gringos. one thing i must admit that gets very old here is constantly having to be on the alert for people ripping you off.
JohnnyBraz
01-28-09, 08:37
for the second time now i have had t-shirts "disappear" at the laundries in rio. i wear t-shirts all the time so i buy the best quality, ones that would sell for r$25 here if you could buy them.
my suggestion is to do your own count and give them an itemized list. i have had very good service at the speed queen place on domingos ferreira near figueiredo magalhães. unfortunately, i am staying much closer to lava kilo places which interestingly is the same chain where my other t-shirts "disappeared."
file this under one more way brazilians go out of their way to rip off the gringos. one thing i must admit that gets very old here is constantly having to be on the alert for people ripping you off.that fucking lava kilo place i lost 1 dolce and gabanna t-shirt and 2 versace dress shirts. now when in rio, as i hand my clothes over, i itemise everything in front off them, and explain to them, this is what i will be collecting. i always wear decent clothes in rio, and don't want to see some favela trash steal my clothes.
I can't see the point in leaving nice clothes lying around in a laundromat. I do get a service wash occasionally, usually when I feel I've built some trust up with whoever I'm holding responsible. But I kick myself for wanting to live that sort of lifestyle that I can't take responsibility myself. I don't always take a book, but I will pop to the Internet cafe or do some shopping then come back and transfer the stuff to the dryer. Most of my clothes just need a rinse and they'll dry in the sun but the lavas are handy for when I'm being lazy.
File this under one more way Brazilians go out of their way to rip off the gringos. One thing I must admit that gets very old here is constantly having to be on the alert for people ripping you off.
ET, I sympathise with your anger, but letting it out like that - fortunately (or unfortunately) there aren't many Brasilians on the forum - you wouldn't like someone speaking like that about all your countrymen just cos someone had been to a cheap laundromat and got ripped off. For me, being alert in Brasil is a way of life. And laundromats are not that reliable even before people start stealing - even in rich countries. But who on here uses a laundromat in the US or Europe?? Anyway, how about we have the 'be alert' reminders without the derisory and nasty remarks that lump together all the people of the country we both enjoy spending so much time in?
Exec Talent
01-28-09, 14:15
Christopherd,
I just posted thanking a Brazilian for his contributions and hoping he and other Brazilians would post more. I value their contributions because they know their country better than anyone.
I did consider that I might offend someone with my comment, but I think what people who are thinking about spending extended time in Rio want is some honesty. When I researched whether to do business in Rio what came up over and over again was what caused many Americans to loss money and ultimately their businesses in Brazil was dishonest Brazilians. The key seemed to be to find honest Brazilians with whom to do business.
It has become a joke among my Brazilian friends (of which I have many) how other Brazilians try to rip off gringos. We face it all the time. To say we don't, simply is not being honest. I travel extensively around the US including many cities visited by foreigners and I never see nor hear of people getting ripped off like they do in Rio. Here I have walked up to a kiosk asked for a Coco (with a sign right in front that lists R$2) and was charged R$3.
Sure, many taxi drivers are honest, but a lot of them like to play rip off the gringo. I have experienced it many times.
I like Rio and Brazil or I wouldn't spend so much time here. However, I also attended a University with a strict honor code. There you could trust everyone. In Rio, you need to be aware that trusting someone to do something as simple as returning all of your clothes to you, might not happen.
Christopherd,
what caused many Americans to loss money and ultimately their businesses in Brazil was dishonest Brazilians. The key seemed to be to find honest Brazilians with whom to do business.
It has become a joke among my Brazilian friends (of which I have many) how other Brazilians try to rip off gringos. We face it all the time. To say we don't, simply is not being honest. I travel extensively around the US including many cities visited by foreigners and I never see nor hear of people getting ripped off like they do in Rio. Here I have walked up to a kiosk asked for a Coco (with a sign right in front that lists R$2) and was charged R$3.
Sure, many taxi drivers are honest, but a lot of them like to play rip off the gringo. I have experienced it many times.
I like Rio and Brazil or I wouldn't spend so much time here. However, I also attended a University with a strict honor code. There you could trust everyone. In Rio, you need to be aware that trusting something to do something as simple as returning all of your clothes to you, might not happen.
Well that's fine then. If I said quite a lot of Americans in New York will mug you, no-one would deny the figures. It's not the fact that there's probably more muggers in RJ than even NYC, but that the proportion is not all. ie not 'Brasilians will steal from you' and not 'Americans will mug you.' There was an honour system at the Uni I went to as well - there is at most. Including RJ's (where I have quite a few friends).
I know you meant well. And I know the point you're making. But you can make the point without the generalisation. That way it's both more accurate and less rude. And if I did get mugged in NYC or the Bronx I think I'd be a bit more humble about it - partly my fault for leaving the oportunity open.
I get pissed off at the put-downs. And many well-to-do Brasilians are even more guilty of it! :D
Well that's fine then. If I said quite a lot of Americans in New York will mug you, no-one would deny the figures. It's not the fact that there's probably more muggers in RJ than even NYC, but that the proportion is not all. ie not 'Brasilians will steal from you' and not 'Americans will mug you.' There was an honour system at the Uni I went to as well - there is at most. Including RJ's (where I have quite a few friends).
I know you meant well. And I know the point you're making. But you can make the point without the generalisation. That way it's both more accurate and less rude. And if I did get mugged in NYC or the Bronx I think I'd be a bit more humble about it - partly my fault for leaving the oportunity open.
I get pissed off at the put-downs. And many well-to-do Brasilians are even more guilty of it! :DYou know Chris you bring up some interesting points I would like to expand on. I think the treatment you get is largely a reflection of the attitude you project. I don't mean you personally but all of us "estrangeros". To the average well to do Brazilian, sex tourists are a nuisance. Even us mongers who have legitimate business in Rio are on the border. It filters down to the various levels of the society and into the attitudes of the service people. When you are viewed as a short-timer and there only to defile the young ladies of their land, they see you as an ATM and will push whatever buttons they feel necessary to exact their tribute. Sure they want your money, but giving value for dollar is not their first goal. But when they view you as having some sort of stake in their local community, their attitude changes. Any by the way - this sort of behavior is not exclusive to Rio or even Brazil. I see it all the time in the USA, in Canada, and in Europe. A tourist is a tourist. "They have money and expect to part with it so why should they not give it to me?" I was at Whistler, BC during Christmas on a ski holiday. I was actually born in Vancouver but have lived in the USA for 15 years. When I am in Canada I talk like a local so it's no trouble to fit in. The "under their breath" comments I heard from waiters, hostesses, store clerks, etc about ALL FOREIGNERS (not just Americans) was funny. If you act like an ugly tourist, you will get treated like one.
Funny story - I lived in Rio for two years in the early 90's. I'm good with languages and sort of swarthy to begin with so it wasn't too hard to blend in so I never had any trouble being mugged. But the last weekend I was in Rio before moving back to the USA, I went to the Hippe Fair after a fancy brunch at the Caesar Park and guess what happened. You guessed it. I got mugged. The thieves got away with about $50 so it was no big deal. The worst part is that they were guys that I saw all the time in the neighborhood. They did not recognize me all dressed up. I was just another stupid gringo who was a target and an opportunity to make some money.
Oh, and not to gloat but I just got my business visa renewed and they gave me a 5 year visa. Can't believe it. I heard that they sopped doing that. I'm feeling lucky.
Jake, I wish I could have expressed it that well - some brilliant insights there IMO.
And come to think of, I suspect I even feel a bit like that towards people visiting my own neighbourhood. If there's a fiesta on or something, fine, they can play the tourist visitor and they are very welcome. But at other times I'm naturally interested in whether newcomers care about my community or not. And I suppose that when I'm in Rio I have a bit of a double life since the non-mongering network feels I have a stake in their local community (or maybe at least that I care enough for them to notice) in a very different way to when I'm being touristy or mongerish.
I normally use my USA CitiBank card at local ATMs. But, I've noticed the the exchange fee has grown from one percent to three percent over the last year or so.
I'm wondering if it would be cost effective to transfer fund from my USA account to my local Banco do Brasil account. Does anybody have any experience with this?
Also, is it cheaper to just pay with my USA credit/debit card when possible?
Thanks.
I normally use my USA CitiBank card at local ATMs. But, I've noticed the the exchange fee has grown from one percent to three percent over the last year or so.
I'm wondering if it would be cost effective to transfer fund from my USA account to my local Banco do Brasil account. Does anybody have any experience with this?
Also, is it cheaper to just pay with my USA credit/debit card when possible?
Thanks.When you transfer to your local account the money must pass through the Brazil government department for currency control. I don't know if it is the bank or this crappy government department, but someone absolutely crushed you on the exchange rate. I have done it 3 times and the exchange rate was upto 10% worse than the street rate.
Now I use a cambio. They all have US accounts, you just transfer cash to their US account and pickup the Reals at the local cambio office. I have found this is the most cost effective way. ATM's are probably still the best for smallish amounts of money.
Now I use a cambio. They all have US accounts, you just transfer cash to their US account and pickup the Reals at the local cambio office. I have found this is the most cost effective way.BB (and anyone else),
Have you ever done this using Western Union? By that I mean, while in the US the day before you leave for Brazil, go to a WU and send money to yourself at the address you expect to be staying at in Brazil. Then when in Brazil, go the relevant WU office and pick up the cash.
I have used ATMs but this is limited by the double fees. (Local bank and US home bank. And mine were fairly high on my last trip in Dec. '08: totaling $10 on a withdrawal of R$1, 000.) I am considering an extended stay of 6-8 weeks this summer. So I am looking into alternatives that might be cheaper.
I always thought WU charged like up to 10% on small amounts, hence thought it was really expensive.
Why don't you just bring cash and change it if you are so worried about fees.
Tim Sellers
02-13-09, 05:13
Does anyone if I can get a bank safe deposit box in Rio de Janeiro, if so where and how?
Here's a summary of how I got my CPF number within a week:
1) Go to Caixa and tell them that you want to acquire a CPF. In Copacabana, there are many Caixas- you've probably seen it just walking on Copacabana Avenue. Ask if you're not sure where one is. The one I went to was a couple blocks from Rua Santa Clara on Copacabana Avenue. I brought my passport and a bill from the address which I was staying (the bill was not in my name). I don't believe you needed the bill, but you definitely needed to give an address of where you are staying for the longer term. I paid five and a half Reales. They give you a receipt that you must keep.
2) Call 146 from a Brazil phone- you are calling the Receibo Federal to get an appointment for your CPF. You actually need a Brazilian to call since they need to give their CPF number to get the appointment. You may be able to call yourself with a Brazilian's CPF, phone number, address, etc., but I didn't try it- it was much easier to have someone call for me.
3) They give you a time in which you must go to the Receibo Federal in Centro. At the building, you will go where people are sitting and watch for your number to show. It will show sometime after the time they told you. Mine showed about an hour after the time they give. Again, have your passport with you. They will ask for your phone number, that receipt that the Caixa gave, as well as look for the stamp on your passport as to when you entered the country. The appointment itself took less than 10 minutes. They give you your CPF number right away, and said they will send my actual card within 30 days.
Exec Talent
03-14-09, 14:10
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman eating her cereal while she was waiting in line. My first thought, she must be American. This was confirmed when we sat down four tables away and could hear everything she was saying because she was talking three times louder than anyone else. She was complaining to her equally fat, ugly and poorly dressed female friend how all the guys hit on her. (Only if she had food).
Next, a table of four American girls sat down. No one fat or ugly this time – they were all pretty hot. Then they opened their mouths. Only twice as loud as everyone else. However, nothing but a round robin b-i-t-c-h session. Then I looked at their expressions. All frowns and scowls. One of the girls was taking things like sugar from another table and throwing what she didn’t want back. Her attitude clearly was – I own this place.
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman
Bad boy, ET, you mentioned the A--- word! Before long some buffoons will pipe up about presenting bad images (not of low life people) but of A------s.
Fortunately I have worked in many different parts of America and have met many wonderful, inspiring, tolerant, courteous Americans with a great passion for achievement. When I see pricks and loudmoths being defended on here simply cos of their nationality I assume the defenders are of the same ilk. These ´gobshites´ are exported by the US to Copacabana the same way the UK exports football hooligans and lager louts to Europe. The are not indicative of the best that country has to offer either.
Embarrassing but true.
By contrast I was sitting next to two very civilised A-----s in Terraco the other night - both real gentlemen. They were enjoying a good meal and conversation and didn´t seem interested in mongering. Their voices were never raised loud enough for anyone else to hear and their manner was mild and sophisticatedly gentle. I only winced a bit as they magnanimously gave 20R tip. My own bill came and I studied it to remove non-ordered items. After whittling it down to stuff I´d actaully had, the waiter made a big show of bringing me 2R change, as if daring me to leave so small a tip. I simply enquired, confirming, ´Service included´?* as I accepted the 2R.
I have had attempted overcharging in mongerville more often than correct bills. In Nogeira, the owner positively goes into a strange Alzheimer´type trance of forgetfulness, hovering with your money over the open till, desperately trying to figure out what the correct change might be. Sometimes the effort if just to much - he shuts the till and looks round for the next customer.
*service is already included in Terraco as in most restaurants. It´s addded to your bill and you pay it anyway.
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman eating her cereal while she was waiting in line. My first thought, she must be American. This was confirmed when we sat down four tables away and could hear everything she was saying because she was talking three times louder than anyone else. She was complaining to her equally fat, ugly and poorly dressed female friend how all the guys hit on her. (Only if she had food).
Next, a table of four American girls sat down. No one fat or ugly this time – they were all pretty hot. Then they opened their mouths. Only twice as loud as everyone else. However, nothing but a round robin b-i-t-c-h session. Then I looked at their expressions. All frowns and scowls. One of the girls was taking things like sugar from another table and throwing what she didn’t want back. Her attitude clearly was – I own this place.
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.
Bro, I have seen the "Ugly American Woman Syndrome" in Rio many times in the past. 99.99% of the time, they are upset because NOBODY is paying them any attention. They got on the plane thinking that men (both American and Brasilian) would fall all over them in thier one piece swim suits. And when they got to Copa, the hard reality smacked them dead in the face.
I have had many female friends and female co-workers ask me about going to Rio for vacation. I told all of them that they should never go to Brasil. When they ask me "why?". I always tell them "Because your ego will take a serious beating! Here in the states, you may be hot shit, but in Brasil, you wont get a 2nd look, even American guys are going to ignore you." Of course my advice goes right out the window. When they return from their trips, they are usually sad and pissed off, because their little feelings got hurt.
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman eating her cereal while she was waiting in line. My first thought, she must be American. This was confirmed when we sat down four tables away and could hear everything she was saying because she was talking three times louder than anyone else. She was complaining to her equally fat, ugly and poorly dressed female friend how all the guys hit on her. (Only if she had food).
Next, a table of four American girls sat down. No one fat or ugly this time – they were all pretty hot. Then they opened their mouths. Only twice as loud as everyone else. However, nothing but a round robin b-i-t-c-h session. Then I looked at their expressions. All frowns and scowls. One of the girls was taking things like sugar from another table and throwing what she didn’t want back. Her attitude clearly was – I own this place.
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.
Oh Yes,
American Women have a Very Strong Attitude Problem!!! And even if they are FINE as HELL, they still wouldn't get a 2nd look in the airport & definitely NOT on land in Brasil because of there attitudes. Granted even though I have met just a few "Free Spirited" American women in Brasil whom are experienced travelers & are there to embrace the culture. And not walk around struting there stuff to see how many guys approach them(Brasilian & fellow Gringos) while visiting. These women are for sure the minority that I have met here(the "Free Spirited type)!
Oh Lord, I could talk about this one American woman who B*TCHED the whole trip back to the states about everything under the Sun in Rio!!! And what it Boiled down to she had the impression that the Cariocas should have Bowed Down to her in everyway! She had the nerve to say Brasilians are Rude & show No Respect! Man, I'm a STOP talking about that FOOL I sat next to on the Plane ride back home..... Also, let's not forget that she was jealous of the women & the attention EVERY Gringo there was giving to these ladies & NOT HER!!!! She didn't want to sound Superficial, so she was trying to Hint around it! But I didn't Bite Though!
And even if they are FINE as HELL, they still wouldn't get a 2nd look in the airport & definitely NOT on land in Brasil
in Brasil, NOBODY is paying them any attention.
Aren't you guys unaware that the standard of beauty in Brasil is not your swarthy favelada but the Paris Hilton or Maria Sharapova look ?
Put any 6+ white and blonde gringa in party places Pelourinho in Salvador, Reviver in Sao Luis, Lapa in Rio, Docas in Belem, ect, (or even Vila Olimpia in SP) and see how she can fuck EVERY local she wants in a minute. She can have the handsome favelado over there, the nice brancinho over here, or the rich safado in the other corner.With one encouraging smile. And no matter her presumed "ugly" attitude.
Scoring a gringa is status-boosting, especially if she's good-looking. Let me remind that brasilians are the most status-conscious people in the world.
Anyhow brasileiros are so horny and libidinous that they could fuck wrathful goats. Which they do in Nordeste for that matter.
BB (and anyone else),
Have you ever done this using Western Union? By that I mean, while in the US the day before you leave for Brazil, go to a WU and send money to yourself at the address you expect to be staying at in Brazil. Then when in Brazil, go the relevant WU office and pick up the cash.
I have used ATMs but this is limited by the double fees. (Local bank and US home bank. And mine were fairly high on my last trip in Dec. '08: totaling $10 on a withdrawal of R$1, 000.) I am considering an extended stay of 6-8 weeks this summer. So I am looking into alternatives that might be cheaper.
A friend of mine did this just recently. WU charged about $16 to send the money. Compare this to the 3% fee that the banks charge from the ATM+ a fee (about$3) for using someone else's ATM and you save a few bucks. The only advantage I see was that he got the current rate of exchange at the exact time that he withdrew his money (2.40 to 1).
Here's a summary of how I got my CPF number within a week:
1) Go to Caixa and tell them that you want to acquire a CPF. In Copacabana, there are many Caixas- you've probably seen it just walking on Copacabana Avenue. Ask if you're not sure where one is. The one I went to was a couple blocks from Rua Santa Clara on Copacabana Avenue. I brought my passport and a bill from the address which I was staying (the bill was not in my name). I don't believe you needed the bill, but you definitely needed to give an address of where you are staying for the longer term. I paid five and a half Reales. They give you a receipt that you must keep.
2) Call 146 from a Brazil phone- you are calling the Receibo Federal to get an appointment for your CPF. You actually need a Brazilian to call since they need to give their CPF number to get the appointment. You may be able to call yourself with a Brazilian's CPF, phone number, address, etc., but I didn't try it- it was much easier to have someone call for me.
3) They give you a time in which you must go to the Receibo Federal in Centro. At the building, you will go where people are sitting and watch for your number to show. It will show sometime after the time they told you. Mine showed about an hour after the time they give. Again, have your passport with you. They will ask for your phone number, that receipt that the Caixa gave, as well as look for the stamp on your passport as to when you entered the country. The appointment itself took less than 10 minutes. They give you your CPF number right away, and said they will send my actual card within 30 days.
Do you speak fluent Port? Would it have been a problem if you had someone with you to interpret? I speak a little, just Pimsleur.
I am at the hotel breakfast with my girl and notice a fat, ugly, poorly dressed young woman eating her cereal while she was waiting in line. My first thought, she must be American. This was confirmed when we sat down four tables away and could hear everything she was saying because she was talking three times louder than anyone else. She was complaining to her equally fat, ugly and poorly dressed female friend how all the guys hit on her. (Only if she had food).
Next, a table of four American girls sat down. No one fat or ugly this time – they were all pretty hot. Then they opened their mouths. Only twice as loud as everyone else. However, nothing but a round robin b-i-t-c-h session. Then I looked at their expressions. All frowns and scowls. One of the girls was taking things like sugar from another table and throwing what she didn’t want back. Her attitude clearly was – I own this place.
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.
ET you are right, I think I saw the same 4 girls walk past mea pataca on
Saturday around 4pm or so and I noticed no one even talked toward them. I hope they did not get their feeling too hurt. Comming back on Sunday morning there were a couple on the plane and at customs and I could see the rejected look on their face, like why no one wanted me look. Unless she is a perfect ten, then I can overlook her shitty attitude. Maybe if she can f*ck like the girls in the terma's like 4X4.
just my 2 cents....
Do you speak fluent Port? Would it have been a problem if you had someone with you to interpret? I speak a little, just Pimsleur.
Just have one of the garotas with you, and everything will be ok. It's actual easier to have her set up the appointment for you.
Viper10
I desperately want to open a Brazilian bank account. I have a CPF number. What I don't have is a bill that is in my name at the address that I am at. Can anyone help me? Anyway around this? I can pay someone if I have to at the bank. Haha. Thanks.
Viper10
The Watcher
03-18-09, 06:57
I desperately want to open a Brazilian bank account. I have a CPF number. What I don't have is a bill that is in my name at the address that I am at. Can anyone help me? Anyway around this? I can pay someone if I have to at the bank. Haha. Thanks.
Viper10
I seem to recall that a few years ago the requirements for a foreigner to open a bank account changed. It used to be that a CPF number was all a foreigner needed to open a bank account but now a foreigner must also be a permanent resident.
My memory may be faulty but I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
I desperately want to open a Brazilian bank account. I have a CPF number. What I don't have is a bill that is in my name at the address that I am at. Can anyone help me? Anyway around this? I can pay someone if I have to at the bank. Haha. Thanks.
Viper10
You can't open a bank account in Brasil, unless you have a permanent or work visa. Tourists can't do it.
When I opened they also required a recommendation, which I gor from my employer.
Just forget it.
Poucolouco
03-19-09, 14:23
I desperately want to open a Brazilian bank account. I have a CPF number. What I don't have is a bill that is in my name at the address that I am at. Can anyone help me? Anyway around this? I can pay someone if I have to at the bank. Haha. Thanks.
Viper10
Perkele is right, you need a permanent or work visa. See this HSBC web page for full requirements on opening a bank account. If you don't have the correct visa, don't even think about opening a bank account. http://www.hsbc.com.br/1/2/portal/en/personal/international-services/moving-to-brazil
You can try paying someone but you might as well just throw your money down the toilet because no one can buy their way through the multi-layered buraucracy of the banks. As for proof of residency, just convert your Cell-phone account to a post-pay account and the bill will have your name and address.
Member #3433
04-02-09, 23:38
My girl had to leave for work and asked me if I could do an errand for her while she was gone. Had that been an American woman, it would have been a demand and started with “You need to.”
These women wonder why American men travel to Brazil. They only have to look in the mirror (a full-length one). A tape recorder also might come in handy.
Someone needs to write about that in Essence magazine.I have been a lurker on this forum for some time. Have yet to post, however was moved by Exec Talent's post. I have dated some absolutely beautiful women to include playmates and recently a psycho actress. Most all of them where complete self consumed b#%at&'s. It is amazing what one will put up with for a period of time for a hot piece of a$$.
I have only been to Rio once, however I would take a Rio 7 (GDP or non GDP) over an American 10 any day of the week. I experienced both GDP and non GDP on my trip to Rio.
I could go into great detail and make comparisons. However you guys that have experienced the American beauties and Brazilian beauties know what I am talking about. From their spirit, soul, passion, and pure enjoyment of life Brazilian ladies are hands down some of the best in the world. IMHO
I am thinking about moving to Rio for a month. I want to try to learn some Portuguese. Anyone know of a good program near Ipanema where I can do 2 hrs a day in a group setting? I speak English so I guess would be best if geared to teaching English speaking people.
Thanks
I am thinking about moving to Rio for a month. I want to try to learn some Portuguese. Anyone know of a good program near Ipanema where I can do 2 hrs a day in a group setting? I speak English so I guess would be best if geared to teaching English speaking people.
ThanksI only know one place called "Wizard" but its located at rua Princes Isabell (border between Leme and Copa) close to the Bradesco bank. I have been talking to them before and they have both group and private course. Its English <-> Portuguese.
Maybe there is some "Wizard" school in Ipanema also.
If I bring $20,000 in cash with me to Brazil and walk into a bank to exchange it into reais will this be no problem or will the bank look at me funny and think I'm some sort of drug dealer or something?
If I bring $20,000 in cash with me to Brazil and walk into a bank to exchange it into reais will this be no problem or will the bank look at me funny and think I'm some sort of drug dealer or something?
They won't think you're a drug dealer (unless you look like one?) but a cambio - even the Amex one - would be a lot quicker than a bank.
If I bring $20,000 in cash with me to Brazil and walk into a bank to exchange it into reais will this be no problem or will the bank look at me funny and think I'm some sort of drug dealer or something?
Do not use a bank to change this amount. It would involve a lot of paper work and questions. I would take an hour out of the day and go to maybe 4 different cambios, break the amount down into $5000 per cambio.
If you are exchanging that much money, I suggest you try Ben Brothers Jewlers on Rua Xavier de Silvera one block off Avenida Atlantico on the right. As long as it's in $100 bills he gives you a few cents over the cambio rates and with that much money it will add up. He always has a significant amount of cash on hand. I usually go in with $3000 US and never have a problem. $20,000 you might have to give him some notice.
Gruhmbards
04-21-09, 09:34
If I bring $20,000 in cash with me to Brazil and walk into a bank to exchange it into reais will this be no problem or will the bank look at me funny and think I'm some sort of drug dealer or something?First and very important!
If you are bringing such amount in cash you need to sign a form stating that you carry more than $10,000.
If by any chance customs officers find that money and you didn't sign that statement you are lost!
If I bring $20,000 in cash with me to Brazil
If I remeber correctly you are free to bring or take out of Brazil 10.000 R$ or the equivalent amout in other currencies, cheques etc. Officially any money exeeding 10.000 R$ has to be declared to the Brazilian custom authorities. Neither do I know what happens to your money if you actually declare it, nor do I know what will happen if you did not declare and yet get caught.
If I remeber correctly you are free to bring or take out of Brazil 10.000 R$ or the equivalent amout in other currencies, cheques etc. Officially any money exeeding 10.000 R$ has to be declared to the Brazilian custom authorities. Neither do I know what happens to your money if you actually declare it, nor do I know what will happen if you did not declare and yet get caught.
I had a look here http://brazil.visahq.com/customs/ as I thought it was just Reals they were worried about, but it's equivalent as well. This site says US10K equiv though, not reals.
Exec Talent
04-21-09, 15:49
I had a look here http://brazil.visahq.com/customs/ as I thought it was just Reals they were worried about, but it's equivalent as well. This site says US10K equiv though, not reals.
This information on the referenced site is incorrect. It is 10,000 Reais not dollars. Here is the correct information.
Cash, traveler’s checks when totaling more than ten thousand Reais or the equivalent in another foreign currency, in order to fill out the appropriated form. There is no limit and no customs duty to the amount of cash to be brought to Brazil as long it is declared to Customs upon arrival;
which can be found:
http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/Ingles/faq.htm
Thanks for that ET. The reference you give confirms my vague memory of what is on the form they give you to fill in. Not that I have ever declared anything . . .
El Austriaco
04-21-09, 18:51
If I remeber correctly you are free to bring or take out of Brazil 10.000 R$ or the equivalent amout in other currencies, cheques etc. Officially any money exeeding 10.000 R$ has to be declared to the Brazilian custom authorities. Neither do I know what happens to your money if you actually declare it, nor do I know what will happen if you did not declare and yet get caught.
Nothing happens when you actually declare it. You are given a receipt, that's all. I did it the last time I went to Brazil, everything went without a hitch.
ET is absolutely right. It's R$ 10,000, not USD 10,000.00.
EA
I'm trying to find a casa de cambio that has a bank account that I can transfer to. That way I can transfer money from my bank in the US to their bank account. Then I can go into the casa de cambio and pick it up in Reales. I know Bubba Boy stated that he does this regularly. The problem is I went into 4 casa de cambio, and no one had a bank that I can transfer money into. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Viper10
I'm trying to find a casa de cambio that has a bank account that I can transfer to. That way I can transfer money from my bank in the US to their bank account. Then I can go into the casa de cambio and pick it up in Reales. I know Bubba Boy stated that he does this regularly. The problem is I went into 4 casa de cambio, and no one had a bank that I can transfer money into. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Viper10
trust that much brasilians?
I would NEVER EVER send money outside to anyone in Brasil that I don't know really well.
Knowing these people your money will dissappear and they will proof that they never got a dime.
My opinion is that if you want that much to send the money abroad, ask someone to send it to you by Western Union and that way you'll be guaranteed to get your own money.
Most of the people just get their money out of ATM, which is most efficient and cheapest way.
Just my 2 centavos.
I would NEVER EVER send money outside to anyone in Brasil that I don't know really well.
I agree on that one.
A couple of years ago there was a scandal in Fortaleza.
Something between a private bank and casa de cambio allowed gringos to open an account to put in their dollars. The interest rate was very good. Lots of gringos put a lot of money in the "bank".
Suddenly one day, surprise surprise, the bank was closed. The owner had left the country and all the money were gone.
A lot of gringos got a very long nose.
Nothing happens when you actually declare it. You are given a receipt, that's all. I did it the last time I went to Brazil, everything went without a hitch.
ET is absolutely right. It's R$ 10,000, not USD 10,000.00.
EA
I would advise a bit of caution taking a large sum of money into Brasil. Robberies on the way from the airport to Copa are not uncommon, and there have been accusations of police/customs involvement.
Don't tell anybody you are taking money in, especially your "girlfriend".I remember a report in O Globo a couple of years back of a gringo taking $10000 in to Rio to buy an apartment, his girlfriends apartment was robbed the same night he arrived, strange coincidence that.
El Austriaco
04-28-09, 01:29
i would advise a bit of caution taking a large sum of money into brasil. robberies on the way from the airport to copa are not uncommon, and there have been accusations of police/customs involvement.
actually, i didn't recommend taking large sums of money into brazil: i was simply commenting on the customs requirement of having to report any cash and cash-like instruments in excess of r$ 10,000.00. when i said nothing will happen, what i meant is that declaring it at customs means that nothing special happens at customs, they just record it and that's it. i think that's safe advice considering that if you fail to report it and they catch you, you might very well have it confirep001ed right there and then.
now, what will happen once you leave to the airport is anyone's guess, and you are right, robberies on the way from the airport into town are common. as a matter of fact, i have posted extensively on that in the rio crime and safety section. whether declaring your money at customs upon entry into brazil possible increases your chances of getting held up (because customs agents or other airport personnel tip of robbers) or not is pure speculation, imho; i certainly would not exclude the possibility of insiders cooperating with the ladroes. in any case, i don't recommend bringing cash in the first place (if you need to bring more than r$ 10,000, bring travel checks, cashiers' checks... iow, cash-like instruments, but not cash).
ea
Poucolouco
04-28-09, 03:12
actually, i didn't recommend taking large sums of money into brazil: i was simply commenting on the customs requirement of having to report any cash and cash-like instruments in excess of r$ 10,000.00. when i said nothing will happen, what i meant is that declaring it at customs means that nothing special happens at customs, they just record it and that's it. i think that's safe advice considering that if you fail to report it and they catch you, you might very well have it confirep001ed right there and then.
now, what will happen once you leave to the airport is anyone's guess, and you are right, robberies on the way from the airport into town are common. as a matter of fact, i have posted extensively on that in the rio crime and safety section. whether declaring your money at customs upon entry into brazil possible increases your chances of getting held up (because customs agents or other airport personnel tip of robbers) or not is pure speculation, imho; i certainly would not exclude the possibility of insiders cooperating with the ladroes. in any case, i don't recommend bringing cash in the first place (if you need to bring more than r$ 10,000, bring travel checks, cashiers' checks... iow, cash-like instruments, but not cash).
ea
i also don't recommend carrying large sums of money but i have done it several times. in each case i declared it and i was directed to a small private room where an agent actually examined the instruments and even handled them to count and verify my declaration. even with traveller's checks, it was very discomforting, knowing that the federal police could be involved in a scheme for someone to follow me afterward. in each instance i prearranged for a private driver to meet me as i exited the customs area. fortunately, i now have a brasilian bank account and i can wire transfer money to brasil.
perkele is right that retrieving money through the atm is the safest and best exchange to bring money to brasil. however, the daily limits on atm withdrawls make it difficult to quickly assemble a large amount of money even with several foreign bank accounts.
Hi, seeking comments from fellow travelers.
I have a valid Visa to Brazil but my U.S. passport is expired. I am going to get a new U.S. passport and the passport agency will void then return the expired passport to me.
Question: can I bring the expired/voided passport with the Visa (which is still valid) along with my new passport to enter Brazil? OR do I need a new Visa from Brazil on my new passport?
Appreciate the help. Thanks.
Poucolouco
04-28-09, 17:05
Hi, seeking comments from fellow travelers.
I have a valid Visa to Brazil but my U.S. passport is expired. I am going to get a new U.S. passport and the passport agency will void then return the expired passport to me.
Question: can I bring the expired/voided passport with the Visa (which is still valid) along with my new passport to enter Brazil? OR do I need a new Visa from Brazil on my new passport?
Appreciate the help. Thanks.
This happens all the time. You need to carry both passports. When the old passport is cancelled by the Passport Office, notice that they do not stamp any visas you may have. The visas are valid until they expire or are cancelled.
Member #3427
05-01-09, 06:58
I am thinking about moving to Rio for a month. I want to try to learn some Portuguese. Anyone know of a good program near Ipanema where I can do 2 hrs a day in a group setting? I speak English so I guess would be best if geared to teaching English speaking people.
Thanks
I visited an office that was downtown, very near the subway station. It is easy to take subway from copacabana to downtown. Nice office and people. I was more impressed with them than I was with the office in Copacabana.
JohnnyBraz
05-01-09, 09:06
Do not use a bank to change this amount. It would involve a lot of paper work and questions. I would take an hour out of the day and go to maybe 4 different cambios, break the amount down into $5000 per cambio.Very well said. I have just returned to brazil after spending 1 month there. I took 10000 euro in 500 euro notes and 5000 us dollars in 100 notes. Everytime I cashed the 500 euro notes I had to fill in a currency form and show my passport. I cashed 3000 us dollars in one hit and didn't have to show anything. As for brazilian bank accounts. I obtained a cpf protocol. R$5. 50 at the post office. Take your passport with you and fill in a form. It takes about 28 days to receive it. To open a bank account you not only need a cpf number, but you will need a utility bill and proof off perminent residence (according to the man at citi bank on ns copacabana). Will be returning to Rio for 6 weeks in August, then moving to Rio to live 6 months or so after that.
Poucolouco
05-01-09, 21:08
... As for brazilian bank accounts. I obtained a cpf protocol. R$5. 50 at the post office. Take your passport with you and fill in a form. It takes about 28 days to receive it. To open a bank account you not only need a cpf number, but you will need a utility bill and proof off perminent residence (according to the man at citi bank on ns copacabana). Will be returning to Rio for 6 weeks in August, then moving to Rio to live 6 months or so after that.
See this HSBC web page for full requirements on opening a bank account. If you don't have the correct visa, don't even think about opening a bank account.
http://www.hsbc.com.br/1/2/portal/en/personal/international-services/moving-to-brazil
I am having an informal job interview in a telecom company in Sao Paulo in June. The post is a middleweight engineering type of job, not too senior, but not too junior either. I have just turned 31 and have quite a bit of experience in this type of work. Any ideas what salary to expect?
I was able to open a bank account very easily. The following is the steps needed:
Opening a Bank Account in Brazil you need the following documentation:
1) Passport
2) CPF
3) Proof that you make a minimum amount of money/month. Citibank for example is $3000R. Any accountant can do this for you. There are many accountants that will write you one without proof if you give them a "tip". Sometimes they will just want to be able to call a number and talk to someone that verifies that you make this money. In another words, even if you don't have proof that you make a certain amount of money/month, there are way around it.
4) Proof of residency- this usually comes in the form of your name on a light/gas bill. If you are renting a place for an extended period of time, you can easily ask the owner that you would like to shift bill in your name for the period you are renting.
Now I don't get hit with the $21 in ATM fees!!
Viper10
the following is what i found to be the easiest way to stay in brazil all year round. when i first came to brazil, i had no idea you were only allowed to spend 180 days/yr. hopefully with this investor visa, i can spend as many days as i want. here is what you need:
• notarized copy of social contract, registered at ‘junta comercial’,
with foreign investment integralized.
o for social contract, an accountant can do everything. you will be basically opening a firm in brazil. my accountant had a consultant that used to work at the junto comercial and that knows everyone. i paid this consultant $200- to speed up the process and go over my documentation before i sent to get registered- this proved to be very helpful as i had errors on my first documentation. in any case, you will need the following:
a brazilian that you trust to be available to sign all documentation and be what they call your procurador (which gives them the right to sign documents, etc.) as well as your asocio. this brazilian will have to go with you a few times to the cartorio as well as to open a bank account with you. you can remove your asocio’s name completely from everything once you have obtained your visa. be aware that they will be weary as they are signing documentation that they will answer on your behalf and technically they are to invest a certain amount of money into the business/ possibly be responsible for taxes for your business id number (called cnpj). also be aware that you will have to transfer $150k reales to that bank account where she/he has her name on it- so you have to be sure that they will not try to rob you of your money since they will have access to that company bank account until after you get your visa.
cpf
notorized documentation for yourself and your asocio. (id/passport and cpf). to do anything at a cartorio, you will have to abrir uma firma, which is just a way of putting your signature on file.
punto local- business location- you have to have what they call an iptu for the location. i used a friend of mine’s business location. be aware that many banks when you open an account in the company’s name (which you will have to do) will physically go out to check out the location.
more of a permanent address with your name on a light/gas/fixed phone bill (this is helpful, but sometimes not necessary, to establish a bank account)
with a copy of social contract, you and your asocio will have to do a “procuracao para recibir citacoes”- a good cartorio will know what this is. they should be able to do it immediately. i had one cartorio claim they need my birth certificate and it will take 3-4 days- this is not true.
apply for your cnpj at the same time as you are registering at the junto comercial.
your accountant will explain, but with the social contract you will have to reconhece a firma at a cartorio.
the social contract will have to include a few key ideas/points:
• you have to say your are going to invest a minimum of $150k
reales, so whatever the investment amount in the social contract, it has to show you (excluding your asocio) will be investing $150k. so for example, you can put $160k reales, you will be responsible for 95% and your asocio for 5% of that.
• at the beginning, a social contract will have your name and the name of the asocio. there you have to make sure that it says that you are giving your asocio the right to sign as your procurador. then at the end of the document, your asocio has to sign twice. once where her name is. and the second, sign where your name is, and put a pp next to it to show that they are signing on your behalf.
• the brazilian has to be put as the administrator in the document.
• the wording as to what your business is has to be in the area of “produtivas ou de transferência de tecnologia” they like things that demonstrate that you will be employing brazilians.
• power of attorney - you need to give someone authorization to use this documentation to get your visa. i am sure you can do it on your own, but i used a consulting firm that specialized in visas to do this. they helped me along the whole process and explained everything from the beginning for $2500r (60% upfront and 40% when you actually successfully realize visa) and went physically to brasilia to apply for my visa. i used www.centralexpat.com. their initial price was $3000r but i negotiated the $2500. name of lady was claudia- she seemed decent and knowledgeable. she also spoke english in case you don’t speak portuguese.
• open a bank account in the name of the company (you will have to bring your asocio with you). once opened you will have to transfer money and get a notarized copy of sisbacen, or exchange contract showing that you transferred minimum r$ 150.000,00
• notarized or simple copy of scholarship certificates (if possible)- if you have a copy of a diploma(s), which you can certify at a cartorio.
• simple copy of your professional resumé (optional)
• inform complete name of mother and father
• inform brazilian consulate or embassy where the visa will be taken- you will have to go and pick up your visa outside of brazil.
• a criminal record consularized. this document must remain with the foreigner, because it will be necessary by the time to have the visa stamped on the passport . this is like a record from the police saying that that no one is trying to arrest you in the states. if you are in brazil, you will have to have someone pick up the copy and consularize it at the brazilian embassy in the states.
my total costs (approximately)
- accountant- $600r (they will do social contract and go to junto comercial to register your firm and apply for cnpj)
- consultant that used to work at junto comercial- $200r. he was able to find mistakes in my documentation before i sent to get registered. he also speeded up the process- only took 1 day once i had documentation in order
- visa consultant- $2500r (60% upfront, 40% after obtain visa)- this was worth it to me since she does the application and knows the system and explained everything to me
- various trips to cartorio- $200-300r
- register at junto comercial- $330r
- cost of trip outside of brazil to pick up visa
total time needed:
-obtaining documentation for social contract- 1 week (varies dramatically)
-writing social contract- 4 days
-registering social contract and obtaining cpf- 1-3 days
-open bank account- 3-4 days
-transfer money- up to 2 weeks
-send visa application to brazilia and wait for response: 30-45 days
-while doing all paperwork and waiting for response, you will need that police record- this could take up to month or more.
-they rarely outright reject you- they will usually ask for more paperwork and give you another 30 days to provide it.
-so it’s pretty tight to try to get everything done one a 90-day tourist visa. (almost impossible if you don’t already have a cpf number). you can extend your tourist visa for another 90 days by going to the federal police at the international airport in rio. you are only allowed to stay 180 days total/ year in brazil on a tourist visa. however, you can overstay, and when you go to register with the federal police after you obtain your visa, they will see you overstayed your visa and charge you a fee of r$ 8,28 per day you stayed without a visa being the maximum amount to be charged = r$ 827,75.
thanks,
viper10
I am having an informal job interview in a telecom company in Sao Paulo in June. The post is a middleweight engineering type of job, not too senior, but not too junior either. I have just turned 31 and have quite a bit of experience in this type of work. Any ideas what salary to expect?
Hi!
I would say between R$ 2500 - 3500.
P
I have already spent two months in Brazil this year and am planning on going back for a month in June, can anyone tell me what I need to do in order to get the 90 day extension? I understand that you can stay for 90days a year and then get an extension for 90 days, can someone tell me how to go about doing that. Do I go to the American or Brazilian consulate in Brazil or can I do it in America?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks
I have already spent two months in Brazil this year and am planning on going back for a month in June, can anyone tell me what I need to do in order to get the 90 day extension? I understand that you can stay for 90days a year and then get an extension for 90 days, can someone tell me how to go about doing that. Do I go to the American or Brazilian consulate in Brazil or can I do it in America?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks
you only need to get the extension if you are staying more than 90 consecutive days without leaving the country. You have a total of 180 days possible for a 1 year period.
can anyone tell me what I need to do in order to get the 90 day extension?
Half a cialis every other should do it ;) ;) ;)
(Hope you manage to get the extension - otherwise you probably won't find it funny lol). Good luck. Sorry about taking up space with irrelevancies.
Poucolouco
05-15-09, 07:04
I have already spent two months in Brazil this year and am planning on going back for a month in June, can anyone tell me what I need to do in order to get the 90 day extension? I understand that you can stay for 90days a year and then get an extension for 90 days, can someone tell me how to go about doing that. Do I go to the American or Brazilian consulate in Brazil or can I do it in America?
Any help is much appreciated.
Thanks The Embassy in your country issues the original visa. It is good for a maximum of 180 days per year but only 90 days maximum per visit. If you are within these limits you should not have a problem. Extensions to the 90 days can only be issued by the Policia Federal within Brasil. It is very easy. You need to go to the office of the Policia Federal and request an extension. If you are in Rio de Janeiro, The office is in the Galeão International Airport (GIG.) It is in Terminal 1, second floor. As you go up the escalators, turn to your left and proceed to the end of the corridor.
If Christopherd's Cialis prescription results in priapsis, let us know in your trip report.
JohnnyBraz
05-23-09, 21:24
The Embassy in your country issues the original visa. It is good for a maximum of 180 days per year but only 90 days maximum per visit. If you are within these limits you should not have a problem. Extensions to the 90 days can only be issued by the Policia Federal within Brasil. It is very easy. You need to go to the office of the Policia Federal and request an extension. If you are in Rio de Janeiro, The office is in the Galeão International Airport (GIG.) It is in Terminal 1, second floor. As you go up the escalators, turn to your left and proceed to the end of the corridor.
If Christopherd's Cialis prescription results in priapsis, let us know in your trip report.Does the 180 days work in a calender year?
How do you extend that? I don't need a visa as I have a european pasport.
Poucolouco
05-25-09, 00:26
Does the 180 days work in a calender year?
How do you extend that? I don't need a visa as I have a european pasport.
It is not on a calendar year basis. It is based on your personal travel entry dates to Brasil. Look at the date stamps in your passport.
The Embassy in your country issues the original visa. It is good for a maximum of 180 days per year but only 90 days maximum per visit. If you are within these limits you should not have a problem. Extensions to the 90 days can only be issued by the Policia Federal within Brasil. It is very easy. You need to go to the office of the Policia Federal and request an extension. If you are in Rio de Janeiro, The office is in the Galeão International Airport (GIG.) It is in Terminal 1, second floor. As you go up the escalators, turn to your left and proceed to the end of the corridor.
Is their a certain criteria used for receiving an extension, or will anyone that asks gets it? Do you know the specific procedure?
Poucolouco
05-25-09, 20:06
Is their a certain criteria used for receiving an extension, or will anyone that asks gets it? Do you know the specific procedure?
There are no published criteria for granting an extension. The Federal Police have absolute authority and discretion to grant or deny an extension. You should have a legitimate, non-trivial reason for requesting the extension. You must apply at least two-weeks before your 90 days expire. You can extend a 90-day stay once but you cannot extend the 180-days per year.
You need to fill out a (Guia de Recolhimento da União) form and take it to a Banco do Brasil to pay the fee (R$67). The bank will date-stamp and endorse the form to show that you have paid. You can download the form from the DPF website: https://www2.dpf.gov.br/gru/gru?nac=1
(You may get website messages about expired certificates. Just accept.)
In the form there are a couple of dropdown menus: Select these options,
(1.) Codigo da Receita STN = 140090, Pedido de Prorrogação de prazo de estada
(2.) Unidade Arreadadora: (Locate the nearest DPF office from the list.)
RJ (105-8) Delegacia do Aeroporto Internaçional do Rio de Janeiro/RJ
Bring the form and the following documents with you: Passport, Embarkation card, copy of air ticket/e-ticket, credit card(s) to prove financial means of support. It is a good idea to Xerox all of your documents in case they request a copy. At GIG aeroporto the nearest Xerox facility is a long walk to the opposite end of the terminal.
The desk officer may fill out another form and take your fingerprints. You will be told to wait while they process your request or you may be told to return another day. Most of the officers are courteous and helpful. Addressing them as Senhor and showing a lot of respect will be useful.
Apparently, there is an amnesty in force and now and a long standing friend of mine living that has been living in Brazil (albeit somewhat illegally) for the last 4-5 years, is now looking to become a regular Brazilian.
He's now waiting for a Brazilian (temporary) ID to arrive and in process of opening a bank a/c and generally getting 100% legit - read paying taxes.
a) Could this be a totally new and unique way of become legit in Brazil? Or has this been going on for decades and is very doable?
b) Could this be a rouge to flush out illegals staying in Brazil?
c) Anyone else every heard of this or has any knowledge or experience with amnesties?
Thanks
Spidy
Apparently, there is an amnesty in force and now and a long standing friend of mine living that has been living in Brazil (albeit somewhat illegally) for the last 4-5 years, is now looking to become a regular Brazilian.
He's now waiting for a Brazilian (temporary) ID to arrive and in process of opening a bank a/c and generally getting 100% legit - read paying taxes.
a) Could this be a totally new and unique way of become legit in Brazil? Or has this been going on for decades and is very doable?
b) Could this be a rouge to flush out illegals staying in Brazil?
c) Anyone else every heard of this or has any knowledge or experience with amnesties?
Thanks
Spidy
They had a similar amnesty a little bit more than years ago.
From what I heard from my Brasilian friends, this is something common and happens every few years. As to how often they occur, there is no pattern as this is Brasil we're talking, but generally speaking, every few years, say 4-8 years.
Apparently, there is an amnesty in force and now and a long standing friend of mine living that has been living in Brazil (albeit somewhat illegally) for the last 4-5 years, is now looking to become a regular Brazilian.
He's now waiting for a Brazilian (temporary) ID to arrive and in process of opening a bank a/c and generally getting 100% legit - read paying taxes.
a) Could this be a totally new and unique way of become legit in Brazil? Or has this been going on for decades and is very doable?
b) Could this be a rouge to flush out illegals staying in Brazil?
c) Anyone else every heard of this or has any knowledge or experience with amnesties?
Thanks
Spidy
Member #1461
08-26-09, 03:52
Hello.
I need a good advice from someone who knows.
I will be registering to marry with a brasilian woman next month (september), I was told that the actual marriage needs to take place 2-3 months after registrating the intention to marry.
I have 2 questions :
1.After the actual marriage has been performed, I know I need to ask for a permanent residency visa (which i can do because I will have a brasilian spouse), but I will in fact be in a visa "limbo" if my tourist visa ran its full length (90 or 180 days) and I do not yet have the residency visa approved (which I understand can take several months). What should I do then in order to stay legally in brasil once my turist visa has expired while waiting for the permanent residency visa? Any advice from someone who has been through this proccess would be greatly appreciated.
2. Can I buy a property (house) in Brasil while I am already registered to marry with a brasilian woman but am not yet actually married and not yet a resident in brasil (meaning I am still a gringo on a tourist visa while buying it ) ? also any advice from someone who has already purchased a house in brasil, on the paperwork that is required, and especially how to not be scammed while buying a house in Brasil (such as how to verify that the person who sells the house is the actual owner, or that the owner hasnt mortgaged the house to get a loan from a bank etc etc).
Thanks you very much,
Dave
2 answers.
1. When you register your marriage and request for a permanent visa, you'll receive a protocol which serves as a visa until your case is being processed.
2. There are no restrictions for foreigners to buy property in Brasil, you don't even need to be married to be able to buy. All you need here is money.
Hello.
I need a good advice from someone who knows.
I will be registering to marry with a brasilian woman next month (september), I was told that the actual marriage needs to take place 2-3 months after registrating the intention to marry.
I have 2 questions :
1.After the actual marriage has been performed, I know I need to ask for a permanent residency visa (which i can do because I will have a brasilian spouse), but I will in fact be in a visa "limbo" if my tourist visa ran its full length (90 or 180 days) and I do not yet have the residency visa approved (which I understand can take several months). What should I do then in order to stay legally in brasil once my turist visa has expired while waiting for the permanent residency visa? Any advice from someone who has been through this proccess would be greatly appreciated.
2. Can I buy a property (house) in Brasil while I am already registered to marry with a brasilian woman but am not yet actually married and not yet a resident in brasil (meaning I am still a gringo on a tourist visa while buying it ) ? also any advice from someone who has already purchased a house in brasil, on the paperwork that is required, and especially how to not be scammed while buying a house in Brasil (such as how to verify that the person who sells the house is the actual owner, or that the owner hasnt mortgaged the house to get a loan from a bank etc etc).
Thanks you very much,
Dave
Hello all,
I am considering buying an appartment in Brazil.
I could buy it personnaly. I could also buy it through an investment company I own.
Is there any difference in taxes in Brazil?
Thanks for the answer.
Kind regards. B.B.
I need a fiador urgently in the next 2 days. I am willing to pay a substantial amount per month. It is for 2 locations in Rio. If anyone is able or knowing a fiador, please contact me ASAP. The fiador is for a place of business(building). They basically need someone that has real estate already in Rio, that will cosign on the real estate rental contract. Thanks.
Viper10
I need a fiador urgently in the next 2 days. I am willing to pay a substantial amount per month. It is for 2 locations in Rio. If anyone is able or knowing a fiador, please contact me ASAP. The fiador is for a place of business(building). They basically need someone that has real estate already in Rio, that will cosign on the real estate rental contract. Thanks.
Viper10From what I understand about Brazilian law, wouldn't a "co-signor" on a lease not only be responsible for the rent owed - but also any labor and tax claims that may arise from the business operations? I am not interested in this arrangement, but am interested in learning more about Brazilian business practices and reading this raised this question for me. Any info from the knowledgeable guys here would be appreciated.
Hello all,
I am considering buying an appartment in Brazil.
I could buy it personnaly. I could also buy it through an investment company I own.
Is there any difference in taxes in Brazil?
Thanks for the answer.
Kind regards. B.B.Anybody know the attorney Alessandro Jacob (in Copacabana)? Had him do some work for me previously.- there was no b. S., no extra fees, and he delivered. Now he's offering services in real estate: appraisal, diligence, closing, etc. Has anybody used him?
The Watcher
09-23-09, 23:37
From what I understand about Brazilian law, wouldn't a "co-signor" on a lease not only be responsible for the rent owed - but also any labor and tax claims that may arise from the business operations? I am not interested in this arrangement, but am interested in learning more about Brazilian business practices and reading this raised this question for me. Any info from the knowledgeable guys here would be appreciated.
I am not that knowledgeable but I think a fiador is a co-signor. I have a friend who needed a fiador to rent an apartment. He used a Brasilian friend as his fiador.
El Austriaco
09-24-09, 01:56
I need a fiador urgently in the next 2 days. I am willing to pay a substantial amount per month. It is for 2 locations in Rio. If anyone is able or knowing a fiador, please contact me ASAP. The fiador is for a place of business(building). They basically need someone that has real estate already in Rio, that will cosign on the real estate rental contract. Thanks.
Viper10
If you are going to rent a building, I think it's a good idea to have a formal contract drawn up or at least reviewed by a lawyer, anyway. I suggest you discuss this with the lawyer, to see whether he or she can provide this service for a fee or is willing to put you in touch with someone who can. They might ask you to put significant collateral into the equivalent of an escrow account, to make sure they are covered in case you default on your obligations. Needless to say, this is not going to be cheap, but might be a way around finding someone else who is just "nice" enough to act as a co-signor for you. Plus, an attorney will also be able to advise regarding the issue Hughdad mentioned as to whether a "co-signor on a lease might not only be responsible for the rent owed - but also any labor and tax claims that may result from the business operations".
Anyhow, regarding the fiador issue, here's something I posted earlier about this issue:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=403942&postcount=479
Hope this helps,
EA
If I were renting or buying a building for serious business purposes in Rio, I would be crazy to rely on the letter of the law alone. A Brasilian partner ( preferably a carioca) is one of the best assurances, from common-sense knowledge of how Brasil works and also from my limited knowledge of friends' experiences.
I am not just talking about bribes, which are a standard part of the infrastructure, but the fact that the system is more resistant to foreigners.
For instance, someone I knew opens a restaurant. Everything goes fine. They wait until the restaurant is making some money. Then they (the authorities) 'discover' some obscure infraction to do with a water pipe or proposed water pipe running under the building. That he will be responsible for financially.
This type of hassle, repeated, is quite sufficient to put someone out of business. It is hardly the coincidence it appears to be.
I also know people from outside of Brasil that have successfully set up business. They had a) friends in high places, b) a lot of money to start with, c) good networking skills with the community as well as a strong fighting spirit.
As per my limited understanding, fiador is pretty much liable of anything he co-signs for. Thus, having a property, I would never ever co-sign anything not even for my brother.
Normally this fiador business works in a way that parents co-sign an apartment to their own children etc.
Anyway, good luck finding one. I never did, even my father in law didn't want to be my fiador way back...
Beach Star
09-24-09, 05:53
I need a fiador urgently in the next 2 days. I am willing to pay a substantial amount per month. It is for 2 locations in Rio. If anyone is able or knowing a fiador, please contact me ASAP. The fiador is for a place of business(building). They basically need someone that has real estate already in Rio, that will cosign on the real estate rental contract. Thanks.
Viper10
you can take out an insurance policy to substitute the fiador. Try 'Portö seguro, but there other companies
you can take out an insurance policy to substitute the fiador. Try 'Portö seguro, but there other companies
Just another point.
In many cases you need to show income in Brasil.
The bureaucracy here is unbelievable.
you can take out an insurance policy to substitute the fiador. Try 'Portö seguro, but there other companies
Yes, Porto Seguro proposes fiador services, but they are INCREDIBLY expensive! It's better to buy ...
B.B.
Does anyone have experience with home builders? I own beach property across the bay, in Marica Prefecture, and would like to build a home soon. Any referrals would be apprecaited. Valeu!
Exec Talent
10-14-09, 14:57
Anyone who has formally obtained dual citizenship care to offer their opinion on the pros and cons, including obtaining? No academics, "I thinkers" or "my buddy ..." please. I really would like to hear from someone who has been there, done that and has the T-shirt. Thanks!
ET,
By dual citizenship, do you mean Brasilian and another citizenship or any 2?
I have or rather had 2 citizenships, one passport expired about 12 years ago and never bothered to renew it (a european citizenship), I could renew it if I wanted to but I don't need it at this time. If I ever feel the need to live in Europe which at this time is quite unlikely as there other areas that I find more interesting and attractive, I may renew it but for now, my current citizenship is more than enough. At this time, I would be quite keen on obtaining that Brasilian citizenship in a few years, so we'll see. What exactly would you like to know about dual citizenship? I know that in the US, it's not allowed (correct me if that has been changed)?
Wondered what happened to make him do a 180 degrees; could it be that his sweet little innocent princessinha in Goiania burnt him or something? ;)
Simply because I've discovered FSU, my little trutinha. Yeah, the ex Soïouz Sovietskikh Sotsialistitcheskik Respoublik and its satellites. Almost 1/6 of the surface of the world, 250 distinct ethnicities mixed and blended since centuries (the product being an unequalled diversity of women types), the highest ratio on the planet of ridiculously hot long legged beauties (inevitably dressed in micro shirt and fuck-me heels), a fun-loving and sexually uninhibited female population who like to have absolutely wild drunken parties, few and even sometimes no foreign mongers and, thanks to the ugly, rude and drunk male population, an unparalleled non-pro scene (except admittedly in Caucasus and Baltic countries, which is a shame as women there are visual viagra) where even the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed and decent looking party-goer foreigner.
FYI Uzbekistan is my new personal little Nirvana : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=856556&postcount=169 ; http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=789600&postcount=118
Culturally also, I find FSU more enthralling and various than Brasil. The cultural heritage in this part of the world is literally extraordinary. A recent touristic trip to Georgia cemented my opinion :http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=925927&postcount=68, and I still have dozens of enthralling places to discover. Mongering is not the only purpose of my trips to FSU, and it wasn't either for the 15 or so years I travelled throughout Brasil.
Anyhow, just a tip : you could become smarter by broadening your horizons instead of stagnate in mass-prostitution meccas. Much further, beyond the frontiers of the "sex tourist map", far to the few still untapped vahallas which for me outdo Brasil any day. But this requires balls, open mind and sense of adventure, three things that you obviously lack of.
BTW being Macunaima's ass licker with sarcasm attempts towards a brasilian ex GF of mine that you've never met is nor a sign of wit, and nor a sign of intelligence.
It only shows that you're a real clown.
JohnnyBraz
10-22-09, 09:45
Simply because I've discovered FSU, my little trutinha. Almost 1/5 of the surface of the planet, 250 distinct ethnicities mixed since centuries, the highest ratio of ridiculously hot females in the world, stunning long-legged women inevitably dressed in micro shirt and fuck-me heels with not an eyelash out of place who love to have absolutely wild drunken parties, few and even sometimes no foreign mongers and, thanks to the ugly and drunk male population, an incredibly good non-pro scene (except admittedly in Caucasus) where even the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking and witty foreigner.
FYI Uzbekistan is my new personal little Nirvana : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=856556&postcount=169 ... http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=789600&postcount=118
Culturally also, FSU is for me much more enthralling and various than Brasil :http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=925927&postcount=68
Anyhow you should extend your horizons instead of playing Macu's ass licker with silly humour attempts. :rolleyes:
Why do you even bother coming on the brazilian thread? You seem to have found what you want else where.
... the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck a decent looking and witty foreigner.
... the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed, decent looking and heavy drinking foreigner.
... the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed, very handsome decent looking and heavy drinking foreigner.
... the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed and decent looking foreigner.
... the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed and decent looking party-goer foreigner.
You have to calm down. If you keep changing your post every second minute I can't understand what kind of foreigners the FSU girls likes.
You have to calm down. If you keep changing your post every second minute.
As usual you are quick to jump on my posts and as usual you lack of rhetoric.
Fake quotes are not a sign of wit. You're better at establishing mere lists of disgusting nasty places in Rio where to fuk cheap skanky nightmare prostitutes.
You should stay in your register. :rolleyes:
I can't understand what kind of foreigners the FSU girls likes.
Those outrageously hot looking 8+ FSU women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds look for similarly well-appointed and heavy drinking men with the right "look" and "game" able to provide drinks and company to get the job done.
Stay in VM. You don't fit to that description. :)
Fake quotes are not a sign of wit.
We both know there were no fake quotes. I just admire the energy you put in editing your post all the time. Makes me think of the commercial with the Duracell rabbit.
Those outrageously hot looking 8+ FSU women, all dressed up with wild partying on their minds look for similarly well-appointed and heavy drinking men with the right "look" and "game" able to provide drinks and company to get the job done.
Stay in VM. You don't fit to that description. :)
Thank you. That's true that I'm not a heavy drinker, but I do love brazilian beer.
Poucolouco
10-22-09, 14:48
ET,
What exactly would you like to know about dual citizenship? I know that in the US, it's not allowed (correct me if that has been changed)?U.S. Policy
The current citizenship and immigration laws of the United States do not specifically address dual nationality. According to the State Department, “the U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause.”
Recommended reading: "Citizenship in the United States" U.S. Citizenship and Imigration Services, U.S. Department of Homeland Security
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/Citizenship_2004.pdf
Prosal,
Thanks for your reply which I found quite interesting as most of your posts.
I will only say that I am delighted for you to have found your new nirvana in the FSU. To each their own as they say. I for one, while I am hooked on Brasil, I have always had a strong attraction towards the FSU looks which I find quite exotic. I will make it there sooner than you may think. I thank you for posting links to your exploits in Uzbekistan, I will run them by a friend of mine who's from there as your reports have truly peaked my curiosity. Here's a question: how would one fare in those parts of the world (central asia/FSU) if one doesn't speak much or none at all of the local language? And it's not that these languages are the easiest to learn either as opposite to latin ones.
As to your pleasanteries, I know you mean well and no harm so no hard feelings whatsoever. I admit that my mentionning that perhaps unhappy episode of your ex caipira in Goiana from a few years back was most certainly uncalled for, so appologies for that.
I would also advocate that you continue to report on whatever part of the world you may be "playing" as those reports are an interesting read. Only thing tough, if you could refrain from bad mouthing Brasil, specially in the Brasil board would be highly appreciated. You have provided this board with some good quality info about Brasil and you have provided me in the past with some useful tips on some issues. Just keep it up please minus the name calling and the belittling.
Cheers.
Simply because I've discovered FSU, my little trutinha. Yeah, the ex Soïouz Sovietskikh Sotsialistitcheskik Respoublik and its satellites. Almost 1/6 of the surface of the world, 250 distinct ethnicities mixed and blended since centuries (the product being an unequalled diversity of women types), the highest ratio on the planet of ridiculously hot long legged beauties (inevitably dressed in micro shirt and fuck-me heels), a fun-loving and sexually uninhibited female population who like to have absolutely wild drunken parties, few and even sometimes no foreign mongers and, thanks to the ugly, rude and drunk male population, an unparalleled non-pro scene (except admittedly in Caucasus and Baltic countries, which is a shame as women there are visual viagra) where even the hottest girls jump on any occasion to fuck an equally well-dressed and decent looking party-goer foreigner.
FYI Uzbekistan is my new personal little Nirvana : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=856556&postcount=169 ; http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=789600&postcount=118
Culturally also, I find FSU more enthralling and various than Brasil. The cultural heritage in this part of the world is literally extraordinary. A recent touristic trip to Georgia cemented my opinion :http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=925927&postcount=68, and I still have dozens of enthralling places to discover. Mongering is not the only purpose of my trips to FSU, and it wasn't either for the 15 or so years I travelled throughout Brasil.
Anyhow, just a tip : you could become smarter by broadening your horizons instead of stagnate in mass-prostitution meccas. Much further, beyond the frontiers of the "sex tourist map", far to the few still untapped vahallas which for me outdo Brasil any day. But this requires balls, open mind and sense of adventure, three things that you obviously lack of.
BTW being Macunaima's ass licker with sarcasm attempts towards a brasilian ex GF of mine that you've never met is nor a sign of wit, and nor a sign of intelligence.
It only shows that you're a real clown.
What is FSU? Not Florida State University, I assume. Please enlighten me.
As to your pleasanteries, I know you mean well and no harm so no hard feelings whatsoever. I admit that my mentionning that perhaps unhappy episode of your ex caipira in Goiana from a few years back was most certainly uncalled for, so appologies for that.
Apologies accepted. It was effectively those unwarranted sarcasms towards my Goiania ex GF that pissed me off and generated my fiery answer.
Paz.
PS : About Uzbekistan, PM when you need more details.
What is FSU? Not Florida State University, I assume. Please enlighten me.
Former Soviet Union ;)
Former Soviet Union ;)
Yeah Lukasek... FSU and Brazil: different (depend on taste) but in my opinion by far the two pussy paradise in the world.
IT
PS I vote for FSU 1st place, Brazil 2nd place ;)
Yeah Lukasek... FSU and Brazil: different (depend on taste) but in my opinion by far the two pussy paradise in the world.
IT
PS I vote for FSU 1st place, Brazil 2nd place ;)Do elaborate on the joys of traveling to th FSU. I personally would like to go as I am sure many of the members on this board would like to also. I am intrigued and would like to know more. Not only about mongering but about the culture as well.
Greetings everyone,
In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Quincas his own thread titled "Quincas in Brazil".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3095
Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.
I've also moved all of his previous "contributions" to this new thread, creating a sort of "The Collected Works of Quincasl"" for those of you who are interested.
Thanks,
Jackson
Do elaborate on the joys of traveling to th FSU. I personally would like to go as I am sure many of the members on this board would like to also. I am intrigued and would like to know more. Not only about mongering but about the culture as well.
I have tasted pussy in over 20 countries. I used to think that Brazilian women were the hottest. I was not impressed by FSU chicks in countries such as Romania, Tchequia, Slovakia, Poland etc. I have now a Russian/Kazak girlfriend ... and I must admit that she wins the gold medal. I have never seen a girl so hungry for sex. Her pussy litterally starts dripping as I approach her. I had never experienced anything like this!
However I much prefer being in Rio than in Moscow!
Regards.
B.B.
The Watcher
10-27-09, 06:00
I have tasted pussy in over 20 countries. I used to think that BRAZILIAN WOMEN WERE THE HOTTEST (emphasis added). I was not impressed by FSU chicks in countries such as Romania, Tchequia, Slovakia, Poland etc. I have now a Russian/Kazak girlfriend ... and I must admit that she wins the gold medal. I have never seen a girl so hungry for sex. Her pussy litterally starts dripping as I approach her. I had never experienced anything like this!
However I much prefer being in Rio than in Moscow!
Regards.
B.B.
Does this mean that you think Russia has the hottest women or your Russian girlfriend is the hottest woman you have ever met?
....I was not impressed by FSU chicks in countries such as Romania, Tchequia, Slovakia, Poland etc....
Maybe cause czech and slovak republic, romania and poland are not FSU....
Try Russia far from Moscow and Piter, try Belarussia, Ukraina, Uzbekistan and then you can make a better comparison ;)
Only considering czech and slovak republic, I was there more than 60 times from october '98, I was in poland and in romania too, but they have nothing in common with the highest level of beauty and fire in the bed that only FSU girls have.
Bottom line is, to monger in Rio you need nothing, everybody can do it, to do it in FSU is a bit more complicated, but the temperature of weather has nothing in common with the temperature of blood of the girls.
But so far as we are in living in Brazil thread, would I live 6 months in Russia ? Probably not, but yes in Brazil.
Hard to get a russian girl in Brazil, but so far as Russia will not have ocean to have beach life when I am in holiday, in the future I will spend more time in Brazil, cause when I do not work, I need overall to take a rest, relax and holiday is not only pussy now for me....IMHO.
Does this mean that you think Russia has the hottest women or your Russian girlfriend is the hottest woman you have ever met?
I have slept with about 20 or 30 Brazilian girls (pro's and non-pros), and only one Russian girl (non-pro). I agree that it is a small sample, but the Russian is much hotter in bed than any of the Brazilians and has a higher lever of pure passion.
However, my Russian girlfriend doesn't allow anal :( ... which ALL my Brazilian partners accepted, except just one.
All of them are jealous as hell, and would rip my eyes off if they knew I cheated on them. I am not kidding, they CAN kill for love.
By the way, I also tasted half a dozen Hungarian and 2 Bulgarian women. All pro's. Nothing remarkable.
Regards. B.B.
P.S. I have lined up a number of prospective targets in Moscow, St Petersburg, Kiev, Odessa and Minsk. I just do not know where to start. What would be your recommendation?
I have tasted pussy all over Brazil (Rio, Sao Paulo, Brasilia, Porto Alegre, Curitiba, Salvador, Natal and Belo Horizonte). I rank Belo 1st and Rio 2nd.
... Hard to get a russian girl in Brazil, but so far as Russia will not have ocean to have beach life when I am in holiday ... IMHO.
Well, I have met a Russian girl in São Paulo (but I did not take her to bed). I felt that she had accumulated all the bad ways and defects of both countries! I just ran away from her!
Regards.
B.B.
romania
Luka, agree that the ratio of truly hot women is slightly lower in Romania than in Russia, Ukraine, Uz, ect, where it is difficult to walk 10 meters without bumping into a beauty (but anyway still way off Brasil, where when you leave the cosmopolitan bowels to unwealthy and unhealthy areas, the ratio of truly hot girl is at best 1 to 20, and if you go to places like Manaus then that ratio is about 1 to 50), yet many romanian women are admittedly ridiculously hot ... latinas with a Slavic touch.
For the ones who love tall and curvaceous white-skinned brunettes with gorgeous faces and curly hairs, Romania is THE place to be.
... if you go to places like Manaus then that ratio is about 1 to 50...
... that ratio is 1 to 30, and in Belem or Manaus 1 to 40...
... Manaus, then that ratio is 1 hot one to 5 average and 100 ugly...
Damn, those Manaus girls must be really ugly! :D
I read in another forum you report about Manaus girls, "darkskinned beauties with some indian blood, slim, round-assed and with beautiful faces" "Going to Manaus to get laid is really worth the trip" (well things propably change quickly as you later wrote "Going to Manaus to get laid is IMO not really worth the trip"). I'm getting confused, all those beautiful Manaus women, have they evaporated?
Maybe it was back in the old days when you did "more than 1000 ++ girls" half of them being "college party girls, nymphos, virgins, secretaries, executives, Varig or JAL air hostesses, gaucha or paranaense patricinhas in vacation in Club Med".
Prosal, please share your valuable experiences with us. Was it better in the old days?
Sperto
You really have a weird agenda. Stalking my posts all over internet to deform them is very very weird, to say the least. And you have way too much time on your hands it seems. Is unemployment that hard to live?
About Club Meds, they are some of the best well-kept secret in Brasil by the way. Especially Itaparica, which has always be a "in" place and where tons of upper-class brasileiras and argentinas go there all year round to party their asses off, get drunk, take drugs and catch diseases that takes antibiotics to cure. It's something a VM gringo woremonger can't know though.
Once more, you'd better learn from others to broaden your horizons than fiddling, quibbling and deriding (and polluting the threads by useless BS and raving nonsense) as soon as a post evoques the reality in Brasil. A true burro.
:rolleyes:
About Club Meds, they are some of the best well-kept secret in Brasil by the way. Especially Itaparica, which has always be a "in" place and where tons of upper-class brasileiras and argentinas go there all year round to party their asses off, get drunk, take drugs and catch diseases that takes antibiotics to cure. It's something a VM gringo woremonger can't know though.
Thanks a lot! It was news to me. That is, it was news that Club Med in Itaparica is a secret. I havn't been in Club Med/Itaparica since the early nineties so I guess I'm a little bit out of date. I've also missed the part with the diseases.
Cheers, old boy.
... About Club Meds, they are some of the best well-kept secret in Brasil by the way. Especially Itaparica, which has always be a "in" place and where tons of upper-class brasileiras and argentinas go there all year round to party their asses off, get drunk, take drugs and catch diseases that takes antibiotics to cure. ...
1° This is NOT the case with Club med in Rio das Pedras, south of Rio, close to Angra dos Reis. There are only families from Rio or Sao Paulo ... maybe too uncomfortably close to home for the garotas to feel comfortable.
2° Itaparica is well known as a surfers' paradise, but these do not congregate in Club Med.
3° How do you approach a young lady in this Club Med when she is in the mist of a gang of young men and girls her age?
Regards. B.B.
1° This is NOT the case with Club med in Rio das Pedras, south of Rio, close to Angra dos Reis. There are only families from Rio or Sao Paulo ... maybe too uncomfortably close to home for the garotas to feel comfortable.
2° Itaparica is well known as a surfers' paradise, but these do not congregate in Club Med.
3° How do you approach a young lady in this Club Med when she is in the mist of a gang of young men and girls her age?
Regards. B.B.You're accurate about the Club Med scene. They're about trying to create a Big Brother party. And there are familiies, too
JohnnyBraz
10-28-09, 18:55
Luka, agree that the ratio of truly hot women is slightly lower in Romania than in Russia, Ukraine, Uz, ect, where it is difficult to walk 10 meters without bumping into a beauty (but anyway still way off Brasil, where when you leave the cosmopolitan bowels to unwealthy and unhealthy areas, the ratio of truly hot girl is at best 1 to 20, and if you go to places like Manaus then that ratio is about 1 to 50), yet many romanian women are admittedly ridiculously hot ... latinas with a Slavic touch.
For the ones who love tall and curvaceous white-skinned brunettes with gorgeous faces and curly hairs, Romania is THE place to be.Is it possible for prosal to get his own thread. FSS in brazil the section. Since he won't leave the brazil forum, and constantly interupts the brazilian forums with his fss bullshit.
Albert Punter
10-30-09, 08:43
I had exactly same experience in Shangahi a few years ago when I had a russian/kazak girlfriend, must be typical of that race ...
...Her pussy litterally starts dripping as I approach her. ...
Other than that, I had extremely hot girls here in Brazil, or in Argentina, or in Japan and surely in other countries too.
Personally I believe that girls attitute is very different from country to country out of bed, and this has an obvious effect on us.
However, when in bed I believe you can have superfun with all races (more or less).
The good thing about Brazilian girls is that they will do everything and anything in bed in order to keep their man. This is always true with Brazilian girls. I always went to the limits with all of them.
This was true from a 19 years old pretinha from Bahia to a 50 years old smoking hot high class socialite from São Paulo.
Here are photos of the pretinha (non-pro, I picked her up in a shop).
I will not post a photo of the socialite, because she is a public figure, and she appears on TV and magazines. The socialite has been so well remade by plastic surgery, that even on the beach with a bikini, she can compete with 30 years old women. When the bikini is off, the surgical scars are well visible.
Here are photos of the pretinha (non-pro, I picked her up in a shop).
She is very hot, lucky you.
She is very hot, lucky you. Thank you Sangue Bom. The fun part is that my pretinha has been approached several times by sharks in the streets proposing her to do porn movies. Fortunately she turned them down all. I give her all the training she needs and she is not ruined by the industry.
I took her to Bahia to visit her family, in the interior a hundred and fifty kilometers from Salvador. They live in mud streets that are rivers when it rains. No electricity. She has sisters and cousins that are even hotter. That's because they eat vegetables from their own garden, and they must walk or run miles to go to school. They are lean, muscular and not an ounce of fat.
I took her to Bahia to visit her family, in the interior a hundred and fifty kilometers from Salvador.
She's beautiful!
She's a princess from Feira de Santana?
She's beautiful!
She's a princess from Feira de Santana?
Thanks. No she is just a plain "balconista". A nice girl I picked up in a small shop. She is very sweet and submissive.
The opposite from the socialite who is a hard headed businesswoman with a fearful personnality (her employees call her "toda poderosa").
Thanks. No she is just a plain "balconista".
I was thinking about her origin...
I was thinking about her origin...
Ah, she is from Jaguaquara in Bahia, but now works in São Paulo, where I met her.
Brazil Specialist
11-02-09, 21:24
Damn, those Manaus girls must be really ugly! :D
I read in another forum you report about Manaus girls, "darkskinned beauties with some indian blood, slim, round-assed and with beautiful faces" "Going to Manaus to get laid is really worth the trip" (well things propably change quickly as you later wrote "Going to Manaus to get laid is IMO not really worth the trip"). I'm getting confused, all those beautiful Manaus women, have they evaporated?
Maybe it was back in the old days when you did "more than 1000 ++ girls" half of them being "college party girls, nymphos, virgins, secretaries, executives, Varig or JAL air hostesses, gaucha or paranaense patricinhas in vacation in Club Med".
Prosal, please share your valuable experiences with us. Was it better in the old days?
a couple of years I visited Manaus a few times. My observation is that really the girls tend to have Indian blood with a tendency to be short and have some fat at the belly
They are fairly interested in foreigners, but most of them tend to be not too attractive
Kind of similar situation in Belem, but in Belem I found some real hotties too. Equally in Manaus, you can find better looking girls, but they are not as frequent as in Rio
a couple of years I visited Manaus a few times. My observation is that really the girls tend to have Indian blood with a tendency to be short and have some fat at the belly...
I find girls mixed with indian blood very attractive.
Fat girls is no problem as I go for the slim ones. :)
IMO Manaus offer much more eye-candy than Rio.
Exec Talent
11-06-09, 15:37
Had a nice lunch at Bar Brasilero de Copa -- Rua Santa Clara, 116B near the corner of Barata Ribeiro and Santa Clara. Typical Brazilian fare. Quality excellent, portions generous and inexpensive. Bring cash, they do not accept credit cards.
Exec Talent
11-08-09, 16:46
Was at Feira de São Cristóvão last night (where the power kept on going out) and noticed that Raça Negra will be there November 27.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJNr4HWHeI
http://www.feiradesaocristovao.org.br/
For many of you in Rio over Thanksgiving it would be a nice show to see. There were many hot women last night, unfortunately the one who grabbed my ass as she passed, was not one of them.
Anyone know where in Copa I can purchase plastic sheets? My little cuite wants to try fucking covered in Baby Oil (She saw it in some movie and now wants to try it out). I dont want to fuck up the bed, so I would like to cover the whole thing with plastic sheets.
Anyone know where in Copa I can purchase plastic sheets? My little cuite wants to try fucking covered in Baby Oil (She saw it in some movie and now wants to try it out). I dont want to fuck up the bed, so I would like to cover the whole thing with plastic sheets.Be careful with oils and latex condoms. Sometimes the combo does not mix and the condoms tear apart.
Poucolouco
11-16-09, 14:43
Anyone know where in Copa I can purchase plastic sheets? My little cuite wants to try fucking covered in Baby Oil (She saw it in some movie and now wants to try it out). I dont want to fuck up the bed, so I would like to cover the whole thing with plastic sheets.
Leao dos dos Plasticos Ltda
RUA CONSTANTE RAMOS, 43 A - COPACABANA
Exec Talent
11-17-09, 17:29
I was out with some friends from another country last night and we were discussing permanent visas. One of them said the level of investment had been increased to R$150,000 so I checked into it today and sure enough, he was right.
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In 2004 it was minimum US$200,000 or equivalent that had to be invested, then it was reduced to minimum US$50,000, but from February 2009 the new level is R$150,000 (Brazilian Reais). The investor must invest in a company that is or will be involved in a “productive economical activity”, that will effectively create employment, make profits and pay any taxes. Brazil is keen to attract genuine investors, and this is the preferred route for many foreigners to achieve residential status, but there is no guarantee how long this level of investment will remain in force.
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Interest how they decided to change it from Dollars to Reais.
Hi ET,
congratulation for you 1000 posts btw ;) .
So the second option to get permanent visa is to marry, right ? And maybe for many, this is not only the second option, but the easiest one too...
Poucolouco
11-17-09, 23:20
Hi ET,
congratulation for you 1000 posts btw ;) .
So the second option to get permanent visa is to marry, right ? And maybe for many, this is not only the second option, but the easiest one too...
Third option:
You can apply for a permanent visa if you are retired and over 50 years of age.
The Watcher
11-17-09, 23:48
So the second option to get permanent visa is to marry, right ? And maybe for many, this is not only the second option, but the easiest one too...
The third option for obtaining a permanent visa is to have a child with a Brasilian. I think this option might be the easiest - certainly the most fun! :)
The Watcher
11-17-09, 23:55
Third option:
You can apply for a permanent visa if you are retired and over 50 years of age.
In addition to those requirements, you also must have a pension of at least US $2,000 a month.
Third option:
You can apply for a permanent visa if you are retired and over 50 years of age.
In addition to those requirements, you also must have a pension of at least US $2,000 a month.Don't they tax at a very HIGH rate that $2000 per month? Making it a NON option.
Poucolouco
11-18-09, 01:59
Don't they tax at a very HIGH rate that $2000 per month? Making it a NON option.
For anyone interested in a getting a permanent visa, there are several options. They all have associated costs. If one of these fits your circumstances, I suggest you research it thoroughly, possibly with legal counsel. The web sites of most local Brasilian Consulates describe the application process.
Don't they tax at a very HIGH rate that $2000 per month? Making it a NON option.
Yes, 27% to be exact. I was thinking of doing this about 5 years ago and discussed it with a Brazilian lawyer. That's when I was told about the 27% tax and decided against it, since I don't care to contribute $540 a month to the Brazilian government. The Brazilian government doesn't give a shit if your money has already been taxed in the US; that's your problem.
If I wanted to establish permanent residence in Brazil--which I no longer do--I would do the following: a) obtain a certificate in TEFL; b) find a job teaching English part-time at a school like Wizard or someplace similar, not for the money but just to get the work visa; c) access my cash using ATMs. I don't see why that wouldn't work.
Lorenzo,
You could do that (that is teaching English), however, it would be next to impossible to obtain a work visa as an English Teacher in a Wizard or any other similar chain language school. The only way one would be able to obtain a work visa to teach is if one has at least a Masters or higher in a field that is in demand in Brasil and teach in a University and the person be a specialist in their field in order for them to make it easier for the organisation wishing to hire them to prove to the Brasilian government that that person will be doing a job that no Brasilian can. All in all, a very very very long shot.
I think the best route for anyone wanting to spend extended time in Brasil is to stay the maximum amount allowed on a tourist visa (3 months renewable for another 3 months or a total of 6 months in any given 12 months period.
Another option would be entering a false marriage. You marry with a girl on the paper, maybe in exchange for money.
Riskful, not reliable and nothing that I would recommend but still an option for the desperate. It becomes difficult when the Polícia Federal makes a surprise visit to interview the "family" and see if it's a serious relationship.
However I've a buddy who has done it and iy worked well.
Another option would be entering a false marriage. You marry with a girl on the paper, maybe in exchange for money.
Riskful, not reliable and nothing that I would recommend but still an option for the desperate. It becomes difficult when the Polícia Federal makes a surprise visit to interview the "family" and see if it's a serious relationship.
However I've a buddy who has done it and iy worked well.Illegal - with some hefty penalties.
Why are you always talking about what is illegal and not illegal. are you LE?I try to provide info that is helpful here. And sometimes - when I see certain posts - I feel it is important to give newcomers to this forum a balanced understanding of an issue. There are guys that have been on this forum and traveling to Brazil for many years. They have extensive knowledge and experiences that give them a very high level of confidence in exploring Brazil and dealing with involved issues. That's that.
No, I am not law enforcement. I made it clear in several previous posts what I do. Do you have ADD? And why are you focused solely on jumping on my posts instead of contributing something of value here. And no - making a bogus, unsubstantiated claim that the IOC demanded oil from Brazil for awarding the OLympic games does not count. But please be careful what you post - you have 2 strikes against you and I would hate to see you go for good. U so funny!
Leao dos dos Plasticos Ltda
RUA CONSTANTE RAMOS, 43 A - COPACABANA
Thank you very much!!
Poucolouco
11-25-09, 18:01
Thank you very much!!
Desculpa! I posted the address that was shown in TeleListas. It is wrong.
The correct address is Rua Raimundo Correia, 36 A
two blocks north of Constante Ramos.
Saw some earlier posts about Brazil and duoble-taxing. I'm confused; what was posted doesn't agree with what I got from the Brazilian Consulate website up here in Washington DC:
Individuals Subject to Double Taxation in Brazil and the United States
(From the Brazilian Embassy website, Washington, DC)
Brazilian tax legislation provides that taxes may be levied on income and capital gains received by individuals residing in Brazil from sources abroad, as well as income and capital gains received in Brazil by individuals residing abroad (Instrução Normativa SRF no. 73/98, of June 23, 1998).
In the case of double taxation; that is, when individuals are subject to income tax obligations in Brazil as well as in the United States, Brazilian tax legislation provides that double taxation may be avoided:
A) in accordance with provisions of international agreements, treaties or conventions against double taxation, signed by Brazil, or
B) pursuant to reciprocal tax treatment legislation (Instrução Normativa SRF no. 73/98, art. 1, § 2).
At this time there is no double taxation agreement, treaty or convention between Brazil and the United States. However, there is reciprocal tax treatment between Brazil and the United States.
The tax legislation of the United States provides for reciprocal tax treatment between the United States and several countries, including Brazil. Article 901 of the USA Internal Revenue Code provides foreign tax credit with respect to taxes paid to foreign governments.
Pursuant to applicable Brazilian legislation, proof of reciprocity of tax treatment may be submitted in the following manner:
• By presenting copies of the applicable USA tax law published by the United States Government Printing Office, or the applicable foreign legislation published by the official government gazette of the country where the income was received, duly authenticated by a Brazil diplomatic or consular post, or
• By presenting an affidavit by a Brazilian diplomatic or consular post attesting to the existence of tax treatment reciprocity between Brazil and the United States.
Thus, the taxpayer is allowed to prove the existence of reciprocity of tax treatment between Brazil and the United States, in order to apply the foreign tax credit corresponding to the amount already paid as income tax to the United States government, to the applicable tax rate owed to the government of Brazil, deducting that amount from the total amount owed to the government of Brazil (Instrução Normativa SRF no. 73/98, art. 1, § 2).
(I used italics and boldface for emphasis)
My take on this is, if I submit my USA tax package to the Receita Fazenda. Plus a Consulate-authenticated copy of IRC Article 901. With my RF tax package, then I will pay the RF the taxes I owe in Brazil less the taxes I paid to the IRS. (Example: 27% owed in Brazil, minus 20% paid to USA = 7% payable to the Receita Fazenda)
Is there something I'm missing here? Obviously, I had better discuss this with a tax accountant in Brazil before I make any plans to take residency in Brazil.
Saw some earlier posts about Brazil and duoble-taxing. I'm confused; what was posted doesn't agree with what I got from the Brazilian Consulate website up here in Washington DC: ...
From painfully learned personal experience, do not trust Brazilian official websites. Often the information is outdated, or simply wrong. For example, the Receita Federal's website for getting a CPF ...
The websites are written by people who idealize the procedures and have no idea what administrative processes work and which are dead ends.
And they are not very often updated.
Better get yourself a good down to earth local lawyer, or a good "despachante". They know the ropes.
p.m. me if you need reliable addresses.
Kind regards.
B.B.
Thank you, B. B., for your insight on this. YARC. "You're absolutely right, Cap'n"; a serious talk with someone "on the ground" is positively necessary.
If Brazil insists on getting its 28% (mas-o-menos) of my pension, regardless of what I've already paid the IRS. And Uncle Sam does get the first cut; it is a USA Government pension. Then I'd better find a more-tax-friendly place to spend the other 185 days of my calendar year, hadn't I?
OTOH, if the RF will indeed give me credit for the IRS's cut. Leaving my total tax burden at 28%, e. G. 20% to the IRS and 8% to Brazil. That wouldn't hurt near as much. I haven't done my 2009 taxes yet; but I estimate that I'll split about 28% of my income between the IRS and the State of Maryland, living where I am now.
It's going to be a while, anyways, before I'll make any permanent move. Next time I'm in-country, though, I will make an appointment with a good despachante to discuss this.
Cheers. Westy
From painfully learned personal experience, do not trust Brazilian official websites. Often the information is outdated, or simply wrong. For example, the Receita Federal's website for getting a CPF.
The websites are written by people who idealize the procedures and have no idea what administrative processes work and which are dead ends.
And they are not very often updated.
Better get yourself a good down to earth local lawyer, or a good "despachante". They know the ropes.
Pm me if you need reliable addresses.
Kind regards.
B. B.
I have been wanting to spend a few months in Brasil for a long time and now that I'm in a position of doing so, I'd like to get some feedback from the experts in this board regarding budgetting for a 3 months stay in Brasil. At this time, I'm looking at spending about 3 months (May-Aug 2010) in Brasil. I do not think I'd be staying the entire time in one city. From a very tentative plan, it looks like it's going to be 1 month Rio, 1 month BH and 1 month Fortaleza or somewhere in the Northeast (perhaps Joao Pessoa) or heck even Brasilia. LOL
What I'd like to know is what type of monthly budget should I plan on?
I am not a heavy monger in that I prefer to focus more on non pros since I'm young and speak fluent Portuguese (however, from time to time, I do enjoy to partake in the hobby). I understand that probably my most expensive stay would be in Rio as there are way more tentations in Rio.
What I'd be looking into is a comfortable 1 bedroom apartment in a safe area of town. (for Rio, it'd be in Zona Zul); in BH, in Savassi and in Fortaleza, near the praia Meirelles. I"m not looking for something posh, as long as it is conveniently located, in a safe area and clean, I'm happy. Oh and a good fast and reliable internet connection is a MUST for me as I work online.
Would a base budget of US$3K per month (+another $1K emergency per month; the emergency 1K made available for say a weekend or a few days' trip to say Paraty, Buzios, Ilha Grande etc...with a nice non pro) be enough to have a good time (that is going out most nights, eating out all the time and throw in the occasional mongering, say once a week? Is that realistic or should I rethink my plan?
I'd also appreciate any suggestions, tips you guys could provide on BH as this will be my first time there. Is Savassi the better area to stay in BH? Any other good alternatives to stay in as opposed to Savassi?
Idem for Fortaleza please.
Also, a breakdown of living costs in Rio, BH and Fortaleza would be truly appreciated from those who are familiar with these cities or have stayed there for a longer stay.
Very much appreciated guys.
Hi ET,
congratulation for you 1000 posts btw ;) .
So the second option to get permanent visa is to marry, right ? And maybe for many, this is not only the second option, but the easiest one too...
I read in another post that the Brazilian woman can have the government prevent you from leaving Brazil if you are the father of her child(ren).
Would a base budget of US$3K per month (+another $1K emergency per month; the emergency 1K made available for say a weekend or a few days' trip to say Paraty, Buzios, Ilha Grande etc...with a nice non pro) be enough to have a good time (that is going out most nights, eating out all the time and throw in the occasional mongering, say once a week? Is that realistic or should I rethink my plan?
I spent 4 months in brasil this year and my budget was about 5-6 thousand dollars per month. That was with very little mongering!! Keep in mind that the rate was between 2.20-2.40R at that time. (It may have been more expensive because I stayed in Rio the whole time)
I learned the hard way that sometimes dating regular girls, could be much more expensive than just going to Help and paying a girl 200R for the night!! Some nights, I was dropping anywhere from 3-500R to go out to normal clubs, with no gurantee of sex afterwards!!
The last thing you want to do, is be on a budget in Rio, it is the worst feeling. You are going to see gorgeous women everyday and if you dont have the money to monger at will, it can be very fustrating! I cant speak on BH or Forteleza, but Rio is a very expensive place, especialy now that the rate is so low!
Trippleecks
12-25-09, 13:00
The rent on a decent 1 BR apt. in Zona Sul could cost you about 2,000-2,500 reals a month. Then you are also responsible for the elect. bill while you are renting. Worst case say 2,600 reals / 1.75 = $ 1,485 US a month. That leaves you with only about 1,515.US about 2,650 reals a month for food and entertainment. I guess it could be done but the $1,000.US reserve you have might be needed regularly to make ends meet.
I have been wanting to spend a few months in Brasil for a long time and now that I'm in a position of doing so, I'd like to get some feedback from the experts in this board regarding budgetting for a 3 months stay in Brasil. At this time, I'm looking at spending about 3 months (May-Aug 2010) in Brasil. I do not think I'd be staying the entire time in one city. From a very tentative plan, it looks like it's going to be 1 month Rio, 1 month BH and 1 month Fortaleza or somewhere in the Northeast (perhaps Joao Pessoa) or heck even Brasilia. LOL
What I'd like to know is what type of monthly budget should I plan on?
I am not a heavy monger in that I prefer to focus more on non pros since I'm young and speak fluent Portuguese (however, from time to time, I do enjoy to partake in the hobby). I understand that probably my most expensive stay would be in Rio as there are way more tentations in Rio.
What I'd be looking into is a comfortable 1 bedroom apartment in a safe area of town. (for Rio, it'd be in Zona Zul); in BH, in Savassi and in Fortaleza, near the praia Meirelles. I"m not looking for something posh, as long as it is conveniently located, in a safe area and clean, I'm happy. Oh and a good fast and reliable internet connection is a MUST for me as I work online.
Would a base budget of US$3K per month (+another $1K emergency per month; the emergency 1K made available for say a weekend or a few days' trip to say Paraty, Buzios, Ilha Grande etc...with a nice non pro) be enough to have a good time (that is going out most nights, eating out all the time and throw in the occasional mongering, say once a week? Is that realistic or should I rethink my plan?
I'd also appreciate any suggestions, tips you guys could provide on BH as this will be my first time there. Is Savassi the better area to stay in BH? Any other good alternatives to stay in as opposed to Savassi?
Idem for Fortaleza please.
Also, a breakdown of living costs in Rio, BH and Fortaleza would be truly appreciated from those who are familiar with these cities or have stayed there for a longer stay.
Very much appreciated guys.
The rent on a decent 1 BR apt. in Zona Sul could cost you about 2,000-2,500 reals a month. Then you are also responsible for the elect. bill while you are renting. Worst case say 2,600 reals / 1.75 = $ 1,485 US a month. That leaves you with only about 1,515.US about 2,650 reals a month for food and entertainment. I guess it could be done but the $1,000.US reserve you have might be needed regularly to make ends meet.
Sprite - have PM'd you on this but in case it benefits people generally - if you do private rents you get the cost down well below this. Last time I was travelling about but returning to Rio, I found it convenient just to keep the apartment on - saves lugging lots of stuff about and you will generally get a cheaper rate for a couple of months or more. Also, if you're staying in Copa, or even a main strip in Botafogo, you could save a lot on not asking for Internet. There's so many Internet cafes abounding - I just use those, they cost next to nothing. Depends on type and volume of your work I guess, but if you carry a small laptop in the apto you can maybe just put it on a stick and take into a cafe (I don't, but only cos I travel ultra light). You can also come to 'arrangements' if you get to know a private landlord/landlady who trusts you. My own arrangement is that I pay extra money if I've used the aircon as that's what burns it up. I just say, I've used it for such-and-such an amount of time, what can I give you? Otherwise my electric's included (You won't get this from an agency obviously, cos they don't know you and you might well run up a massive bill by leaving the aircon all the time - as I often do in hotels if I can!)
To get to know private rents, ask around a neighbourhood once people know your face and treat you as a bit if a 'local' or as if you are a friend. This takes about 3 weeks in my experience (before that, your default position in Copa is 'dirty monger'.) Shopkeepers are quite good sources of info. Outside of Copa/Ipa, the classifieds are quite good - many Brasilians visiting Rio will use them once they arrive. Depends where you want to stay. I was at a place a block or two from VM - nice area by Afonso Pena - and it was a ritual over breakfast quite often.
I know these tactics aren't much good if you're still finding your feet, but Sprite's been around a bit ;)
Thanks Bravo, Trippleecks and Chris for your valuable insight. Much appreciated.
Bravo,
I fully agree with you that being in budget in Rio is no fun, it's actually quite a painful punishment. Luckily I have not experienced that in Rio and I will ensure that this never happens!;) Agreed also with you that non pros can be more expensive at times than pros.
Chris,
Good point about keeping the apart if leaving Rio for a few days.
What I'll do is stay the first few days in my usual spot at the Rio Othon Palace and then once on the ground, look for apartments and with the help of some of my local connections there, I should be able to get something decent at a decent price. So will see. But thanks to all for your tips and feedback.
Cheers.
It just hit me this weekend while talking to a buddy of mine. Why dont people in rio have carpets in their homes? I have been in hundreds of apartments and homes over the years and I dont remember a singe one of them having carpeting. In fact, the only hotel I remember having carpeting in the room, was the Marriott.
It just hit me this weekend while talking to a buddy of mine. Why dont people in rio have carpets in their homes? I have been in hundreds of apartments and homes over the years and I dont remember a singe one of them having carpeting. In fact, the only hotel I remember having carpeting in the room, was the Marriott.
Yes you are right, I believe it is because Rio has such a hot humid climate and with this hot humidity it would cause mildew to stick to the carpets. This would create an odor and would not be too pleasant hence the tile floors.
I don't think that's it because carpet is popular nowhere in Latin America. Cabo San Lucas is bone dry desert and it's all tile. Punta Arenas is butt ass cold and it's all tile or wood. I think it's just the Iberian preference. Where I live it's a temperate four season climate, though humid, and it's all tile or wood. Barcelona is all tile. I've come to prefer that as well, although I prefer tile over wood.
I don't think that's it because carpet is popular nowhere in Latin America. Cabo San Lucas is bone dry desert and it's all tile. Punta Arenas is butt ass cold and it's all tile or wood. I think it's just the Iberian preference. Where I live it's a temperate four season climate, though humid, and it's all tile or wood. Barcelona is all tile. I've come to prefer that as well, although I prefer tile over wood.
Using carpet on the floor is solely american custom. Its very rare to find fixed carpet floor anywhere else. I've been all over the world and only place I've ever ran into the carper floor is USA. Personally I find carpet floor unhygienic.
Using carpet on the floor is solely american custom. Its very rare to find fixed carpet floor anywhere else. I've been all over the world and only place I've ever ran into the carper floor is USA....
Probably you never been in Europe....very common here...
Probably you never been in Europe....very common here...
I'm from Germany and I haven't seen carpets the last 10 years at all. It was somewhat disgusting to have a carpet in my apartment in the US.
Probably you never been in Europe....very common here...
Oh really?
Where?
I'm european.
Bunniksider
01-06-10, 18:00
We even carpet our bathrooms in the UK, a fact that our Dutch friends find hilarious.
Beach Star
01-06-10, 18:10
Oh really?
Where?
I'm european.
Well, Well i never thought i would ever see our mebersof this illustrious sex site getting wound up about carpets!
Anyway just blame the brits!!! LOL
The choice of flooring materials for both domestic and commercial uses can have a major impact on both the health of people using them and the wider environment. Wall to wall carpets harbour dust which leads to a build up of dust mite allergen, an important trigger for asthma and other allergies. Dust also absorbs toxic pollutants from the indoor and outdoor environments. Smooth floorings are the alternative which is often advocated to prevent the build up of dust and dust mites.
The cheapest smooth floorings are made of PVC, also known as vinyl, which is a major source of toxic substances in the environment, some of which are persistent organic pollutants. A variety of healthy alternatives are available, including wooden floors, linoleum, cork and laminate floors, which can be combined with loose rugs for comfort.
Allergy, Asthma and the problem of fitted carpets Allergic diseases such as asthma and eczema have become increasingly prevalent over the last three decades. According to the Wolrd Health Organisation (1), the trends in allergic diseas are rising, with “up to 1 in 3 of Europe's children already allergic and 1 in 10 wheezing”. Britain has 3.4 million people with asthma; more than any other country in Europe (2).
Indoor air pollution is thought to be a significant cause or trigger of allergies, aggravated by the trend for insulated houses, soft furnishings (including fitted carpets), pets, and the chemicals present in many modern products. The dust mite is widely acknowledged to be a major problem. About 80% of children suffering from asthma in the UK are sensitive to the droppings of the house dust mite. The areas of the home that harbour the most house dust mites are bedding and fitted carpets. Fitted carpets, once in place, are harder to address than bedding. Dust mites are notoriously difficult to get rid of once they build up in the home; vacuuming, chemical sprays to killl the dust mites and air filtering systems have limited effectiveness.
The Carpet Tradition
British people have a particular attachment to fitted carpets. They represent comfort and modern living for many people and are considered a selling point by Estate Agents. The proportion of houses with fitted carpets everywhere else in the world is much lower, even in countries with similar climates (UK homes 98%, France 16%). The average UK consumer is said to replace his carpet once every six years (3). UK consumers buy more carpet on an annual per capita basis than any other consumers in Europe; 3.9 sq metres
Si we should blame the brits. What has tis got to do with sex?How did we get here? LOL
you learn something new every day.
I had to double check that this site was the internationsexguide not the internationalcarpetguide
We even carpet our bathrooms in the UK, a fact that our Dutch friends find hilarious.
Worst experience from the UK besides carpets in bathrooms is getting charged for heating when staying at hotel. Well, some of them...
I think carpets were quite popular in Eastern Europe back in the 80's.
The better part prefers wooden floors or tiles.
All right, let's get back to fucking. How many prefer fucking on carpet vs. fucking on wood or tile? Carpet you get your scrog marks, wood floor you could get splinters, and tile is kinda cold. Discuss.
Or not.
One thing I noticed when i stay in brasil for 2-3 months, my eating habits completely change. When I am in brasil, I dont eat McDonalds, Pizza, Fast Food, Cookies, Cakes, Candy etc... Not only do I not eat, I have absolutely no desire for it, I dont miss it at all. Everyday in Rio I am eating chicken, fish, drinking protein shakes and tons of water. I swear, if I lived in Brasil year round, I would have a 6 pack, just from changing my diet.
The flip side of the coin is that as soon as I touch down in America, I want to run straight to ihop and get a huge breakfast, pancakes and shit. I stop at the supermarket and buy ice cream and swing thru the drive thru and get a Big Mac. so I wonder if I have been conditioned to crave these things when I am back home. Because in brasil, I dont desire any of the "bad food"!!
Crazy Jim Wood
01-30-10, 03:29
hi, i have an associate in brazil who is going to mail me some books. does anyone have any idea what is the best way to do this? she says approx 40 usd and 20 days ! i assume she is using ect.
i guess that is the best one can hope for without paying an arm and a leg?
i tried to look at website for dhl it was impossible to understand.
maybe someone else has experience with an express mailing service?
sorry to distract everyone from the carpet/hardwood floors debate! i think of you brits every time i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) on carpet!
tia,
cjw
One thing I noticed when I stay in brasil for 2-3 months, my eating habits completely change. When I am in brasil, I don't eat McDonalds, Pizza, Fast Food, Cookies, Cakes, Candy etc. Not only do I not eat, I have absolutely no desire for it, I don't miss it at all. Everyday in Rio I am eating chicken, fish, drinking protein shakes and tons of water. I swear, if I lived in Brasil year round, I would have a 6 pack, just from changing my diet.
The flip side of the coin is that as soon as I touch down in America, I want to run straight to ihop and get a huge breakfast, pancakes and shit. I stop at the supermarket and buy ice cream and swing thru the drive thru and get a Big Mac. So I wonder if I have been conditioned to crave these things when I am back home. Because in brasil, I don't desire any of the "bad food"!When in Rome eat drink and screw like Romans. I won't even order a beer thats not made in Brasil when I'm there. Well Once I screwed and Italian girl, but I never did that in the states.
During my 1½ years living in South Brazil which is highly influenced by German, Italian and Portuguese immigrants, the food can be excellent. Italian food there is better than most restaurants in The States with the exception of New York and some areas of California. Why, because they use superb, fresh, proper ingredients not industrialized by US corporate suppliers.
Joinville, the largest city in Santa Catarina, settled by Germans in 1851 has delicious German restaurants and probably the highest percent of natural blondes found in Brazil. Nearly all of the famous Brazilian models come from South Brazil. Have you noticed almost every beer brand has a German name though the taste is not as good as European beers. BTW, Skol is a Danish word meaning cheers.
Churrasco restaurants in South Brazil with their offerings of 12-15 grilled meats plus chicken, ham and grilled pineapple are outstanding. Their salad bars are also superb not just greens but smoked salmon, sometimes caviar, olives, fish, shell fish, cheeses etc. Prices about $25 pr. person in non-major cities. Marius on the beach in RJ is excellent but expensive for Brazilian standards. I’ve eaten at four churrascarias in The States and they can’t compare.
Beach photo taken February, 2006 at Praia Enseada, Santa Catarina.
Hi,
I do not know if is the right place to ask, but I will be in Rio de Janeiro next month, for the first time.
Does anybody know how much do cigarettes cost in Rio de Janeiro?
Thank you
Poucolouco
02-15-10, 21:22
Hi,
I do not know if is the right place to ask, but I will be in Rio de Janeiro next month, for the first time.
Does anybody know how much do cigarettes cost in Rio de Janeiro?
Thank youPurchase your favorite American Brand at the duty free shop in the airport where you pick up your checked baggage. Imported brands are about $30 US per carton in duty free. Domestic cigarettes cost about R$4,00 per pack everywhere.
KellySlater
02-16-10, 01:20
Purchase your favorite American Brand at the duty free shop in the airport where you pick up your checked baggage. Imported brands are about $30 US per carton in duty free. Domestic cigarettes cost about R$4,00 per pack everywhere.If you decide to buy them once in zona sul, they are really cheap like R$3. 50 or R$4. 00 but you may not find the brand you want.. Good luck with menthol. Their menthol options suck and you will not find Newports anywhere in Rio de Janeiro State. But Marlboro are everywhere. Not sure if they are the same as american marlboro since I don't smoke them.
If you decide to buy them once in zona sul, they are really cheap like R$3. 50 or R$4. 00 but you may not find the brand you want.. Good luck with menthol. Their menthol options suck and you will not find Newports anywhere in Rio de Janeiro State. But Marlboro are everywhere. Not sure if they are the same as american marlboro since I don't smoke them.There are at those prices on the shops on zona sul, or should I try to buy'em from the people on the street?
KellySlater
02-17-10, 20:34
There are at those prices on the shops on zona sul, or should I try to buy'em from the people on the street?At the news stands or sucos places- the guys on the street will charge more.
Poucolouco
02-18-10, 02:06
There are at those prices on the shops on zona sul, or should I try to buy'em from the people on the street?
Never buy cigarettes from people on the street. Just go to any kiosk that sells newspapers (banco de journals.) They are the same price at all of the kiosks. You will not be able to purchase them in drug stores. You can purchase by the carton in supermarkets but there is no carton price break.
At the news stands or sucos places- the guys on the street will charge more.Thank you, guys!
I was asking about the people on the street just because in Europe, if you buy from those, you get better prices (the cigarettes are made Russia or Ukraine, where they cost 1 dollar per pack, and do not have those outrageous governement taxes - 2-4 euros per pack, maybe more).
Poucolouco
02-18-10, 23:06
Thank you, guys!
I was asking about the people on the street just because in Europe, if you buy from those, you get better prices (the cigarettes are made Russia or Ukraine, where they cost 1 dollar per pack, and do not have those outrageous governement taxes - 2-4 euros per pack, maybe more).
Yikes! Those FSU cigarettes are pure tar and carcinogens. I suggest you try Chantix and you won't have to worry about where to find the next nail for your coffin.
Anyone know where in Copa I can purchase plastic sheets? My little cuite wants to try fucking covered in Baby Oil (She saw it in some movie and now wants to try it out). I dont want to fuck up the bed, so I would like to cover the whole thing with plastic sheets.
Didn't they invent motels for this type of thing? It's so much more fun.
Exec Talent
02-23-10, 04:15
Didn't they invent motels for this type of thing? It's so much more fun.
Near a pharmacy on the corner of Ronald de Carvalho and NS Copacabana. Rubber mattresses. Nothing is going to hurt them. Just don't try sleeping there.
The Watcher
02-23-10, 05:49
Near a pharmacy on the corner of Ronald de Carvalho and NS Copacabana. Rubber mattresses. Nothing is going to hurt them. Just don't try sleeping there.
If it is still open, the Lido Hotel, as opposed to the Praia Lido, is a cheaper (and more run down) alternative for a short stay. It is close to the Praia Lido but I don't remember exactly where it is because I haven't been there in 20 years.
Exec Talent
02-23-10, 11:06
If it is still open, the Lido Hotel, as opposed to the Praia Lido, is a cheaper (and more run down) alternative for a short stay. It is close to the Praia Lido but I don't remember exactly where it is because I haven't been there in 20 years.
Rubber Mattresses, my dear friend, rubber mattresses. Remember his objective was slip slidding away, not saving money. It is not the same on a conventional mattress (not that I know anything about this). :)
Poucolouco
02-23-10, 21:09
Rubber Mattresses, my dear friend, rubber mattresses. Remember his objective was slip slidding away, not saving money. It is not the same on a conventional mattress (not that I know anything about this). :)
Actually his objective was plastic sheets. I answered his question three months ago.
Leao dos dos Plasticos Ltda
Rua Raimundo Correia, 36 A
two blocks north of Constante Ramos
Exec Talent
02-23-10, 21:36
Actually his objective was plastic sheets. I answered his question three months ago.
Leao dos dos Plasticos Ltda
Rua Raimundo Correia, 36 A
two blocks north of Constante Ramos
Sometimes one has to read a little deeper. His REAL objective was not to create a mess in the bed. Let's say you were the owner of an apartment and had a conventional bed, would you want a tenant to put on plastic sheets (regardless of where he purchased them) and be comfortable that there would be no damage to the bed?
The rubber mattresses at Praia Lido hotel are practically indestructible. He could buy plastic sheets anywhere and bring them with him. Abzsafado brought up the idea of a motel and I provided the specifics. Got another gnat hair you want to split?
Poucolouco
02-24-10, 02:46
Sometimes one has to read a little deeper. His REAL objective was not to create a mess in the bed.
The rubber mattresses at Praia Lido hotel are practically indestructible. He could buy plastic sheets anywhere and bring them with him. Abzsafado brought up the idea of a motel and I provided the specifics. Got another gnat hair you want to split?
I didn't need to read any deeper, my dear friend, because I fully understood his question. Here is his reply:
Thank you very much!!
Member #3433
03-04-10, 12:27
Ok. So on my last trip to Brasil I decided I would like to invest in a beach home there. I have RTFF. I have a few Brazilian friends who are helping me with this and even a friend that is a lawyer in Rio that speicalizes in real estate. My head is swimming with ideas and info as I am trying to sort all of this out. I will be going back to Rio in April for a few weeks. I want to buy beach property within an hour or so of Rio. Possibly as far as Buzious. The home would be used for my vacations and as a rental property. I am in my 30's and this is by no means a retirement home for me.
Any of you gentlemen that live in the Rio area or have experience buying property in Brasil. I am offering drinks and food for anyone who would like to sit down and share some ideas with me or give advice. Please gentlemen only people who are serious pm me and those with experience buying property in Brasil. Thanks.
Sonny
Exec Talent
03-04-10, 14:57
This has been mentioned here before, but it happened to me again today, so I was wondering if anyone knows the real answer.
On calls to Rio sometimes a person (usually a woman) answers and asks you to hold. The connection remains open and you hear music and people talking in the background. They may come back and ask you to hold again but it IS NOT the party you are trying to reach. Where do these calls go and who is answering them? What is their incentive to keep you on the line? It is not simply a wrong number since I have dialed several numbers with the same result.
Not keeping me awake at night, but it does interfere with the restfulness of my afternoon nap.
This has been mentioned here before, but it happened to me again today, so I was wondering if anyone knows the real answer.
On calls to Rio sometimes a person (usually a woman) answers and asks you to hold. The connection remains open and you hear music and people talking in the background. They may come back and ask you to hold again but it IS NOT the party you are trying to reach. Where do these calls go and who is answering them? What is their incentive to keep you on the line? It is not simply a wrong number since I have dialed several numbers with the same result.
Not keeping me awake at night, but it does interfere with the restfulness of my afternoon nap.
This is EXACTLY what happened to me when I tried to call a GDP with whom I wanted to maintain contact. The first time I was able to reach her, but on subsequent calls it was exactly as you describe, asking me to hold on, then music and talking in the background. I was kept waiting for about 10 minutes--at international rates--and I eventually just hung up. It never occurred to me that it wasn't her home, and I just assumed that someone else in her household had answered the phone and then forgotten that I was waiting. Question: how do you know it isn't the party you're trying to reach?
The mystery deepens.
This is EXACTLY what happened to me when I tried to call a GDP with whom I wanted to maintain contact. The first time I was able to reach her, but on subsequent calls it was exactly as you describe, asking me to hold on, then music and talking in the background. I was kept waiting for about 10 minutes--at international rates--and I eventually just hung up. It never occurred to me that it wasn't her home, and I just assumed that someone else in her household had answered the phone and then forgotten that I was waiting. Question: how do you know it isn't the party you're trying to reach?
The mystery deepens.
This has never happened to me but I am going to take a guess as to what it is. Have you ever seen the Brazilian movie Midnight? Well in the movie the woman is trying to contact her boyfriend by calling him on the phone, the phone is picked up by an answering service, not a recording but a live person who takes the messages and maybe gives messages depending on who it is.
Just a guess, maybe they are telling you to hold on because they have other calls to attend to, have any of you actually spoke to the person who answered?
Exec Talent
03-04-10, 19:57
This is EXACTLY what happened to me when I tried to call a GDP with whom I wanted to maintain contact. The first time I was able to reach her, but on subsequent calls it was exactly as you describe, asking me to hold on, then music and talking in the background. I was kept waiting for about 10 minutes--at international rates--and I eventually just hung up. It never occurred to me that it wasn't her home, and I just assumed that someone else in her household had answered the phone and then forgotten that I was waiting. Question: how do you know it isn't the party you're trying to reach?
The mystery deepens.
The first couple of times I thought as you did that maybe someone else answered the phone. So I would hold. Even now after it has happened many times the person answering the phone is so polite the temptation is to wait. If someone on this board knows what really is going on, I would like to know.
The first couple of times I thought as you did that maybe someone else answered the phone. So I would hold. Even now after it has happened many times the person answering the phone is so polite the temptation is to wait. If someone on this board knows what really is going on, I would like to know.I commented this before. it happens only if one uses phone services like Truphone going through the internet. The first time I waited nearly 30 minutes, now I hang up imemdiately. I suspect iy is a scam. These guys are probably earning cents for every minute you keep online.
Regards.
B.B.
This has never happened to me but I am going to take a guess as to what it is. Have you ever seen the Brazilian movie Midnight? Well in the movie the woman is trying to contact her boyfriend by calling him on the phone, the phone is picked up by an answering service, not a recording but a live person who takes the messages and maybe gives messages depending on who it is.
Just a guess, maybe they are telling you to hold on because they have other calls to attend to, have any of you actually spoke to the person who answered?
I commented this before. it happens only if one uses phone services like Truphone going through the internet. The first time I waited nearly 30 minutes, now I hang up imemdiately. I suspect iy is a scam. These guys are probably earning cents for every minute you keep online.
Regards.
B.B.
Actually, you guys may be on to something. The thought of an answering service never occurred to me; for one thing, it's hard to imagine a GDP being that organized. No, I've never spoken to the person who answers--always a woman--because they just say "um momento" and never come back. You could very well be right. However, I'm a little more skeptical that they do this because they get paid by the minute. If they did this often enough they would soon be out of business.
I did see "Midnight," but I don't remember that scene. All I remember are Fernanda Torres' nude scenes. :D
John Cricket
03-06-10, 21:18
This has been mentioned here before, but it happened to me again today, so I was wondering if anyone knows the real answer.
On calls to Rio sometimes a person (usually a woman) answers and asks you to hold. The connection remains open and you hear music and people talking in the background. They may come back and ask you to hold again but it IS NOT the party you are trying to reach. Where do these calls go and who is answering them? What is their incentive to keep you on the line? It is not simply a wrong number since I have dialed several numbers with the same result.
Not keeping me awake at night, but it does interfere with the restfulness of my afternoon nap.The GdP you are calling is "busy". A friend answers her cell for her.
Not too difficult to figure out.
Exec Talent
03-09-10, 16:02
The GdP you are calling is "busy". A friend answers her cell for her.
Not too difficult to figure out.
Hey Academic,
My worst day intellectually is one hundred times better than your best day. The problem with academics is they always feel the need to comment on something even when they have no idea what they are talking about.
First of all, who said anything about calling a GDP? This is not an invitation to comment for you to comment or a desire to enter into any interaction with you. It simply is to point out the reason, to those who have any doubt, why you have been given your own thread on this forum TWICE.
Can anyone answer this for me? Why is it that brasilians have no issues leaning over your plate of food in resteraunts of sidewalk cafes. They will put their whole body over you in order to order something or to talk to someone. As an american, I find this very offensive and I want to break the plate over the person's head. Its like "Dude! Cant you see that I am eating?!! Can you move your sweaty ass armpits from on top of my food?!!"
Is it a cultural thing? In america if we have to reach over someone or lean over someones plate, we say "excuse me, or pardon me" first. Here in rio, they just lean right over you and will linger there for their entire conversation. Drives me nuts!!
hello,
planning on going to brazil for 3 months starting in september.
never been there before, don't know the language but will learn some
looking for a nice apartment to rent for 3 months
has to be secure and good neighborhood.
i want something that is close to the beach no more than 20 minutes from the beach
has to have land-line high speed internet. that is a most
looking to spend no more than us 1200 a month.
is that possible or am i dreaming.
thanks in advance.
Ok. So on my last trip to Brasil I decided I would like to invest in a beach home there. I want to buy beach property within an hour or so of Rio. Possibly as far as Buzious. The home would be used for my vacations and as a rental property.I never lived there, I am not into RE but I have been married to a Brasilian women and traveled the Rio area extensively. Buzious, in my opion is the place to B. If not there then one of the beaches that are not a tourist beach. I can't remember the beach but I do remember going up to each fish hut to see if they had bacalau (sorry can't spell). Unlike places like Copa, the water was clean and the Cerveja and food were the best! If you must stay in one of the "tourist" areas and don't plan to swim. I would suggest one the Hi-rise condo's right on the beach.
Have you ever driven in Rio? I now know why they churn out so many top Grand Prix drivers! I did not feel very welcome at some of those beaches. I understand Portuguese very well but these "locals" chose to call me names in english so I would mess with them and tell them in Portugese to speak to me in German.
Buzious is quiet during the day. I was there during Carnival so it was a party 24/7 all week! I was told it is quiet during the week and is hopping on weekends.
My only wish is that I went to Rio with out my wife! Me being light skinned, well built (at the time, 15 years go) and blue eyes made me feel as is I was being mongered! My wife chased them all away using words that I had no idea existed in the Portugese lanquage. I told her I would buy her a new car if we could do a 3-some or 4-some! That earned me a night on the couch. We are now divoced but I still love her ass and my month in Rio!
Chica Chaser
05-13-10, 01:33
Never been there before, don't know the language but will learn some.Can't help with apartment recommendations but for learning Brazilian Portuguese look no further than www.livemocha.com . Lots of free courses in it, and other languages, from absolute beginner and up.
Great things about it are many but a standout is drag-and-drop sentence construction - wherein you're given just a few more words than are needed to "write," the required sentence and so must choose the right ones and put them in exactly the right order.
Also the community aspect is great and has three key features:
Complete a short writing assignment and submit it to the community for native speakers to correct/comment on.
Record and upload a short speaking assignment and submit it too for correction/comments.
Initiate or accept Live Chat (text and voice) Requests with native speakers to practice what you've learned - and them likewise. Note that this only works well if each of you have a decent grounding in the language you're learning. Otherwise it's painfully slow going trying to have even a simple conversation.
In addition to LiveMocha Pimsleur's audio course is excellent too but expensive. Though there is a way to download it from the big bad internet...
CC
Spinnerman
05-27-10, 01:47
Ok. So on my last trip to Brasil I decided I would like to invest in a beach home there. I have RTFF. I have a few Brazilian friends who are helping me with this and even a friend that is a lawyer in Rio that speicalizes in real estate. My head is swimming with ideas and info as I am trying to sort all of this out. I will be going back to Rio in April for a few weeks. I want to buy beach property within an hour or so of Rio. Possibly as far as Buzious. The home would be used for my vacations and as a rental property. I am in my 30's and this is by no means a retirement home for me.
Any of you gentlemen that live in the Rio area or have experience buying property in Brasil. I am offering drinks and food for anyone who would like to sit down and share some ideas with me or give advice. Please gentlemen only people who are serious pm me and those with experience buying property in Brasil. Thanks.
Sonny
There are a number of beach front , as in right on the sand , properties , starting in Marica, all the way to Buzios. Starting as low as $55,000.
Lots of nice bungalows in Marica right on the beach for $100k
The bad news is bandidos.
You're not there, your house is open season very quickly.
They don't just take your TV , you'll have to replace fridge, stove etc every time LOL.
I live most of the year in Fortaleza , but spend about 3 months a year in Rio.
I'd love a Marica beach front place , plus jeep , plus jetski, well within my budget........but not if I have to replace them each visit.
Security
Secure is the only way
There are a number of beach front , as in right on the sand , properties , starting in Marica, all the way to Buzios. Starting as low as $55,000.
Lots of nice bungalows in Marica right on the beach for $100k
The bad news is bandidos.
You're not there, your house is open season very quickly.
They don't just take your TV , you'll have to replace fridge, stove etc every time LOL.
I live most of the year in Fortaleza , but spend about 3 months a year in Rio.
I'd love a Marica beach front place , plus jeep , plus jetski, well within my budget........but not if I have to replace them each visit.
Security
Secure is the only way
Actually there is another problem that is even more dangerous.
By law, if someone invades your property and you are not there kicking them out immediately, they have right to stay there and in worst case scenario you'll lose your property.
Anyway by legal means it is almost impossible to get invaders out and that's why brasilians have something they call "caseiro". This is sort of a person who stays in your house to keep non wanted assholes out from there while you're away.
Rule of a thumb here is that never ever leave any property unattended.
Member #3433
05-27-10, 21:07
There are a number of beach front , as in right on the sand , properties , starting in Marica, all the way to Buzios. Starting as low as $55,000.
Lots of nice bungalows in Marica right on the beach for $100k
The bad news is bandidos.
You're not there, your house is open season very quickly.
They don't just take your TV , you'll have to replace fridge, stove etc every time LOL.
I live most of the year in Fortaleza , but spend about 3 months a year in Rio.
I'd love a Marica beach front place , plus jeep , plus jetski, well within my budget........but not if I have to replace them each visit.
Security
Secure is the only wayThanks for the info. I have since ruled out Marica. I am now looking in the Barra area. My lawyer friend is originally from Fortaleza and she has suggested I check it out the next time I am in Brazil. Again this is purely and investment property for me. Thanks again.
Sonny
Actually there is another problem that is even more dangerous.
By law, if someone invades your property and you are not there kicking them out immediately, they have right to stay there and in worst case scenario you'll lose your property.
Rule of a thumb here is that never ever leave any property unattended.
Those squatters rights are a b*tch. As long as they can prove they have been in your house for 6 months, then you cant legaly get them out. Thats when you pay a couple of pit boys to "help them move out".
Those squatters rights are a b*tch. As long as they can prove they have been in your house for 6 months, then you cant legaly get them out. Thats when you pay a couple of pit boys to "help them move out".Building a house in Teresopolis, our construction crew were on site 24/7. Living off the land they were, catching birds, snaring small mammals and barbecuing them up. Not for one minute was the place left unattended throughout the entire construction until we moved in.
Thanks for the info. I have since ruled out Marica. I am now looking in the Barra area. My lawyer friend is originally from Fortaleza and she has suggested I check it out the next time I am in Brazil. Again this is purely and investment property for me. Thanks again.
SonnyIt is the place to be.
Don't get me wrong. I now monger in FSU (but still go back from time to time for personal reasons to SP), but I am the first to admit that the FSU masses are a fairly dumb lot and that most guys there are xenophobic, vicious, malevolent, drunk and silly flatheads. And that in Romania, the main employer is mafia. And that Uzbekistan is a silly fucked-up police state. And that Moldova is swarming with foreigner-haters thugs. And that provincial Russia, because of all the drawbacks, hurdles, hassles, discomfort and absurd situations that implies a trip there, is definitively not for everyone. Ect, ect. That is called OBJECTIVITY. But I don't care, I go there only for the fine freebie pussy, and nor to fall in love with the country, nor to make friends.
Objectivity is of more added-value for the monger than naivety, exaggerated enthusiasm or bad faith, which do nobody a favor.
The problem is that on the ISG Brasil threads, very few people have (well, admittedly, Perkele and E.T have) objective views about brasilian life and brasilian people, and are ready to admit that brasilian masses are ALSO a fairly dumb lot, and that Brasil has ALSO many negatives sides, and is not the carefree paradise that most daydreamers mongers who live in permanent denial of realities enjoy to promote here.
My own thread just because I make from time to time some objective posts about the "dark sides" of Brasil, like the one below about domestic violence in favelas? ..well, you're not only gratuitously whining, but also totally talking out of your ass. But report my post (as you will surely do, as usual, you sniveling whiner you) and complain to Jackson, if you feel like it, mudak. And let's see the result.
Well I thought that this discussion would be better in this thread.
Responding:
Living in Brasil is not that simple and easy as one might think. This is actually rather tough country. Its like a brasilian friend of mine says "Brasil is not for amateurs".
There are lots of good people, but there are even more leaches that are willing to sell their mothers to be able to screw others, especially gringos.
For majority we, gringos, are nothing but a source of income. That's why many of us are being tolerated or even being treated extremely well. Imagine that for a favela girl a gringo, whom might even send money when he's not in Brasil, is a blessing. Life there is tough. As someone mentioned, women are being abused frequently in favelas. Now someone will start telling that if this was true we'd hear of these things in the news, wrong. In favelas there are druglords who are in charge. In favelas one keeps his mouth shut. No matter what.
I also mentioned that all people living in favelas are thieves. Well that is true in a way. Things work here like this: Let's say that we have a neighbourhood that consumes X amount of energy, local energy company charges all this consumption from the people who are paying for the energy. So if in the neighbourhood there is a favela, where nobody pays, the full consumption is being charged from the paying subscribers. That's why all services are ridicuously expensive in Brasil. Energy, water, sewage, TV etc. have first world prices to the ones who are honestly subscribing these services. Obviously in the areas where there are no major favelas, these services are cheaper and sometimes even better quality.
Other thing that is really annoying here is bureaucracy. If one wants to have a drivers license, buy a car or property or open a bank account, not to mention obtaining a permanent visa, there is a huge fight with government officials. Since many of the above mentioned things require tons of paper, filling formularios and paying different fees, there are loads of services that help you to get things done, for a fee. Of course 99% of issues can be solved with plain old cash. BUT if one wants to do everything "by the book" prepare for a long battle of bureaucracy. For just about anything you need lots of authenticated papers. And all costs money. Another aspect is that if you do not use lawyer or something they call "dispaschante" you will see that not one official give you full information and you'll end up going different places again and again and again. A simple thing like licensing a vehicle can take as long as one month, because you need to run after shit load of documents and so on.
Well luckily those above mentioned events are not occurring daily because if they were it wouldn't be worth living here.
Other side of the scale we have liberty. I mean real liberty to do just about anything. You can have a party on the street if you like, no rules or regulations. No need to apply any permission to do that. If you live in a house, you're the king there. Man's house is his untouchable domain and if someone goes and violates that he can defend his domain. Obviously calling a police won't help at all because they'll never show up.
Other positive things are the food and weather. Also women are mostly spectacular here. No hassle with them.
So, life in Brasil is not all sunshine and walking on rose petals but its lot better than in many other countries, as long as you have money.....
So, life in Brasil is not all sunshine and walking on rose petals but its lot better than in many other countries, as long as you have money.....Perkele thanks for you point of view and to Westy to put it in RoD.
I was there only for 2 months, but I think you are totally right !
I don't know what city you live in regarding your comments below. Possibly SP or RJ? I lived about 250 miles west of Sao Paulo in a medium sized city and in a small town for a total of 18 months with brief trips back to USA for 8-14 days. Then back to Brazil to live with my GF whom later became my wife.
Yes, bureaucracy in Brazil can be a problem but for us it was an affordable adventure in our daily encounters and later on when mý son was born in Brazil and within 3 months of his birth, he became an American citizen. Bureaucracy in America is awful imo.
Thousands of Americans are arriving in Brazil monthly for medical and dental procedures paying one-third the cost in USA. Honestly, I don't think I could have afforded my wife's OB-GYN expense and subsequent his birth in a hospital if it not occured in Brazil. Except for the filings for my son to become an American dealing with The Embassy and documents, everything else was incredibly cheap.
Some OB visits were free, others no more than $25. 4 ultrasound scans were also inexpensive. 48 hour hospital stay for both of us (yes Dads stay with Mom in a private suite) with meals were less than $500 plus my son's birth doctor fee including C-section surgery just a few hundred dollars extra. I've heard the same procedures in USA would have cost minimum 10-15 times more. The care was also excellent. An attending nurse filmed the entire birth procedure from first incision to his first minute with great accuracy. My son is my one and only child.
Obtaining my son's Brazilian birth certificate was easy and very inexpensive. The hassle was Embassy costs but gladly paid with a smile when completed. American Embassy employees were great.
If any monger is in a situation concerning a pregnancy and ultimate birth, I can recommend the experience in Brazil if one so desires (probably not many).
Poucolouco
06-12-10, 20:15
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So, life in Brasil is not all sunshine and walking on rose petals but its lot better than in many other countries, as long as you have money.....
Perkele, you are so right about life in Brasil. Fortunately these are infrequent annoyances but each one brings back memories of others.
Brasilian bureaucracy doesn’t occur only in the government sector. It can be just as bad doing business in brasil. To get a fixed line telephone from Telemar, they required a CPF, photo identification and a proof of residence, i.e. copy of a utility bill with my name and address. They would not accept the certified fax copy of my CPF that I carried in my wallet. I had to return with my plastic original CPF card. When I returned to the Telemar office they just looked at the card and said I needed to also provide a paper fax copy for their files. Telemar, one of the largest companies in Brasil would not make a copy of my plastic CPF card. Bare in mind, they can verify the validity of my CPF on-line with Receta Fazenda at http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/Aplicacoes/ATCTA/cpf/ConsultaPublica.asp
Cancelling service with Telemar is almost as difficult as subscribing. If you do not retain copies of all your documentation, you may discover later that they continue to charge your account because their buraucratic process does not exchange information between departments.
I recently went to FAST, an appliance store to purchase a wall mount for a television, cash sale. In order to complete the transaction, the store required my name, address, phone and CPF. I balked and the store manager said it was the only way they could complete the transaction. Collecting my data was a prerequisite to the sale. I could have gone to Lojas Americanas or Casa e Video and purchased an alternative model by simply going through the check-out stand.
To purchase an airline ticket on-line at Web-Jet, I had to register for an account. Among the extensive personal data that they required was my mother’s name, address and phone number. The system would not accept the fact that she has been dead for 20 years. I finally gave them my own data for my deceased mother just to make it through the registration process of their system.
Purchasing property in Brasil is a circle jerk. For legal and taxing reasons, real property is registered at several agencies and Cartorios of the prefeitura and the state, all of whom maintain your data on computers but none of your information is exchanged between agencies. You must shuttle from one to another with stamped and sealed proof of your purchase, ownership, registration, etc. You can pay a lawyer to accomplish these things for you but he will just turn it over to a despachante who may or may not get it right.
There is a deli-bakery on N.S. Copacabana near Raimundo Corea. Similar to many banco-type restaurants, they require you pay for your purchase before you order it from the counter personnel. You can’t just go and point to various items in the glass case and then go pay at the cashier for your sack of breads. You must learn the name of every friggen pastry that strikes your fancy so you can tell the cashier. You don’t like this system? They don't care. Don’t shop here.
I sometimes wonder why it is so in Brasil. Is it because no one can be trusted? Is everyone suspected of being a thief? a mentira? Perhaps it is a carry over from the monarchic, imperial and military regimes that once ruled the country. Everyone who inherits, earns or is delegated authority creates his own bureaucracy.
poucolouco,
the bureaucracy you decide imho is no different from what a us resident encounters through inquires with banks, insurance and power companies plus cell phone/cable providers etc. when we call or personally visit an official office. why the insurance hassle to get a doctor's referral to a specialist? why do i have to register on a real estate website to view homes for sale, register to print coupons to save on [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or register to browse employment opportunities on a website?
requesting credit approval on a car loan or lease one can also be asked to supply several documents as you describe. what i find ludicrous is target store cashiers ask for driver's license scanned through the register as proof of age to purchase an alcoholic beverage or some over the counter medication even though the customer can be a parent, even grand parent of the cashier. the cashier doesn't even look at the license. just scans it quickly. yet, all other merchants in the same state do not scan a license but visually confirm age when necessary. only when in doubt is proof of age confirmed visually using some form of photo id. not with a driver's license scan which i think is unlawful and can be misused by target.
your last paragraph is a true description of america today. in many incidences we are guilty until we prove innocence. there is no privacy.
Exec Talent
06-13-10, 06:55
poucolouco,
the bureaucracy you decide imho is no different from what a us resident encounters through inquires with banks, insurance and power companies plus cell phone/cable providers etc. when we call or personally visit an official office. why the insurance hassle to get a doctor's referral to a specialist? why do i have to register on a real estate website to view homes for sale, register to print coupons to save on [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) or register to browse employment opportunities on a website?
requesting credit approval on a car loan or lease one can also be asked to supply several documents as you describe. what i find ludicrous is target store cashiers ask for driver's license scanned through the register as proof of age to purchase an alcoholic beverage or some over the counter medication even though the customer can be a parent, even grand parent of the cashier. the cashier doesn't even look at the license. just scans it quickly. yet, all other merchants in the same state do not scan a license but visually confirm age when necessary. only when in doubt is proof of age confirmed visually using some form of photo id. not with a driver's license scan which i think is unlawful and can be misused by target.
your last paragraph is a true description of america today. in many incidences we are guilty until we prove innocence. there is no privacy.
lifelong bureaucrats in the us are the worse. getting them off their lazy asses to do anything is next to impossible. in brazil, everyone wants a government job because they pay better. in the us it used to be people who couldn't make it in the private sector went to work in government settling for lower pay but better benefits. as of late that has changed radically. now, not only are the bureaucrats not doing any work, but also they are getting paid more not to do it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_n.htm
fortunately, based upon some of the election results around the country and budget short falls, many of these bureaucrats might have to find real jobs.
There is a deli-bakery on N. S. Copacabana near Raimundo Corea. Similar to many banco-type restaurants, they require you pay for your purchase before you order it from the counter personnel. You can't just go and point to various items in the glass case and then go pay at the cashier for your sack of breads. You must learn the name of every friggen pastry that strikes your fancy so you can tell the cashier. You don't like this system? They don't care. Don't shop here.They simply don't want too many people handling money, and these places are grab, stand, eat and run. Not much of a inconvenience at all. (Ever go through a drive-in window at a McDonald's or Wendy's and pay at the first window and pull up to the second to get your food? And why not learn the names of the pastries, it is called culture.
I agree with NYC Expat and Exec Talent, all your other gripes are very similar to experineces you have to go through in the US. My biggest gripes about Brazil is the widespread lack of social skills (no one likes to wait in a line, no issues with seniors going to the front though) and the fact that most Brazilians love to ***** about every check they get, even in reputable hotels. "No I only had 4 beers not 5, my wife only wanted coffee, cake and fruit from the breakfast buffet. Why are there taxes?"
I agree with NYC Expat and Exec Talent, all your other gripes are very similar to experineces you have to go through in the US. My biggest gripes about Brazil is the widespread lack of social skills (no one likes to wait in a line, no issues with seniors going to the front though) and the fact that most Brazilians love to ***** about every check they get, even in reputable hotels. "No I only had 4 beers not 5, my wife only wanted coffee, cake and fruit from the breakfast buffet. Why are there taxes?"
I have to agree and disagree.
First, you're right on that brasilians have no manners what so ever.
Then I have to disagree.
Brasilians are not bitching of the bills etc. in the hotels. My experience is that there is ALWAYS something extra. And I travel extensively.
Another thing is that in many states they have a tourist tax, which is voluntary. No need to pay, so many want it out of the bill. Simple.
Poucolouco
06-15-10, 03:20
They simply don't want too many people handling money, and these places are grab, stand, eat and run. Not much of a inconvenience at all. (Ever go through a drive-in window at a McDonald's or Wendy's and pay at the first window and pull up to the second to get your food? And why not learn the names of the pastries, it is called culture.
I agree with NYC Expat and Exec Talent, all your other gripes are very similar to experineces you have to go through in the US. My biggest gripes about Brazil is the widespread lack of social skills…
The drive-through window at McDonalds is preceded by a menu board where items are labeled with their names, options and prices. Thus it is easy for even the uncultured to order before proceeding to the cashier window. At the bakery to which I referred, nothing is labeled and the process of asking the names of varietal breads from the counter person, then going to the cashier, and returning again to the counter person is inconvenient. Rather than spend my time being cultured in that bakery, I shop at Barão do Pão, three blocks away. They fill my order from the counter. I take it to the cashier and pay for it.
One Eyed Man
06-15-10, 04:21
There is a deli-bakery on N.S. Copacabana near Raimundo Corea. Similar to many banco-type restaurants, they require you pay for your purchase before you order it from the counter personnel. You can’t just go and point to various items in the glass case and then go pay at the cashier for your sack of breads. You must learn the name of every friggen pastry that strikes your fancy so you can tell the cashier. You don’t like this system? They don't care. Don’t shop here.
There might be another reason. They have this in Italy to reduce the frequency of tax evasion by keeping the exchange of money in one person's hands where they can be watched. In Italy, if you want a cappuccino, you first buy a scontrino (receipt) and then exchange it for your cappuccino.
Exec Talent
06-15-10, 04:37
The drive-through window at McDonalds is preceded by a menu board where items are labeled with their names, options and prices. Thus it is easy for even the uncultured to order before proceeding to the cashier window. At the bakery to which I referred, nothing is labeled and the process of asking the names of varietal breads from the counter person, then going to the cashier, and returning again to the counter person is inconvenient. Rather than spend my time being cultured in that bakery, I shop at Barão do Pão, three blocks away. They fill my order from the counter. I take it to the cashier and pay for it.
Next time I am in Rio I will take you in an introduce you around. I go there all the time and always pick out what I want first and pay later.
Exec Talent
06-15-10, 18:16
Often times people are looking for this or that in Rio so I thought I would offer a couple of directories. The first is for Rio and the second Copacabana.
http://www.telelistas.net/
http://www.jornalcopacabana.com.br/ed137/guiadenegocios.htm
Poucolouco
06-15-10, 19:55
Next time I am in Rio I will take you in an introduce you around. I go there all the time and always pick out what I want first and pay later.
Which bakery do you go to all the time?
Since HELP closed I hear hot spots are a bit iffy. I plan tyo hit Brazil for a couple months but need a cheet sheet of places that rate cause i don't want to hit and miss if possible. I know i could search for the info in past posts but could you guys fork over the bestest and most current recommendations for me and let me know if someone wants to be a wing man cause flying solo isnt always so cool...
First of all I'm moving this wonderful discussion to the "Living in Brazil" thread, since there's a lot of people writing valuable reports about the main topic (good and fun sex in Rio) and I don't wanna intrude in their space.
By now I have received dozens of PMs of support, thanking me for the posts and one clear message: DON'T MESS WITH THESE PEOPLE! THEY'RE DANGEROUS!
Of course they are talking about PROSAL and PERKELE, the bullies of the forum.
Well.. shouldn't I? But most importantly shouldn't we? It's not their forum.
Here you have two individuals that write about Brazil to systematically and persistently.. put it down. I'm not saying that all should be petals an roses. Brazil, like most countries has its share of incongruities and dismaying elements, but... Horses for courses!!
Take PROSAL. It seems that the guy's heart was broken by a brazilian lady of the night so he decides to blame the whole country. Nice. He also decides - being the world class guy that he is - to explore the "uncharted waters of the FSU" (that's the old Soviet Union). The funny thing is that the guy even writes a post in the Rio thread trying to promote Uzbekistan, and then... Boom! Racial tensions explode. Hundreds of people are killed. Dozens burned. Just... the nicest place on Earth! Check for yourself:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/13/kyrgyz.violence/?hpt=T1
And what can I say about PERKELE?
How can a decent human being write: "people in favelas are just lowlife that should be removed..."?.
My question is: How can someone hate people around him so much, despise the women he makes love with so much.. and still live with himself?
But let's forget about the bullies and let's talk about Brazil.
As I said in a previous post what attracts me from Brazil is the sheer beauty of its nature and the struggle of its people for happiness. I admit it: These folks are obsessed with happiness and beauty. But so am I.
Vinicius de Moraes - a figure without whom is impossible to understand modern Brazil - said it once: "A beleza, amigo.. é fundamental".
Vinicius was a huge poet and composer. His poetry is essential to understand today's Brazil. He was married eight times. He loved women, music and bourbon. Him, and Antonio Carlos Jobim, wrote "Garota the Ipanema", from a bar that now bears the same name (at Rua Vinicius and Prudente de Morais) and, if you've got a chance, you should go and visit the Vinicius Museum (just a couple of blocks away).
His Wikipedia is really a gem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinicius_de_Moraes
Tom and Vinicius wrote the song in the sixties from one of the benches of the bar. From where they would watch this beautiful girl stroll to the nearby beach.
If you wanna find more about Vinicius, there's a fascinating book by Joâo Carlos Pecci called "Vinicius sem ponto final" and at his website you can find his poems and discography:
http://www.viniciusdemoraes.com.br/
Here are some great YouTubes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVCL00o-a2I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VCNIWmxaps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LcZfStlfc
Well, that was a good one for today, so thanks folks. And to PERKELE and PROSAL: Don't dismay. As in the Terry Gilliam's film, there's a little Brazil in all of us. You'll just have to find it.
Best,
J.R.
Next chapter: Oscar Niemayer. The architect of beauty that designed Brasilia. Another crucial figure that's essential to understand Brazil.
Here's some of his work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nf5RT1kSY4
Since HELP closed I hear hot spots are a bit iffy. I plan tyo hit Brazil for a couple months but need a cheet sheet of places that rate cause i don't want to hit and miss if possible. I know i could search for the info in past posts but could you guys fork over the bestest and most current recommendations for me and let me know if someone wants to be a wing man cause flying solo isnt always so cool...Ahh Hah> I landed on Spertos excellent update and usefule maps in reports of distinction so I have enough good info for long time.
This is gonna be fun. Regarding the wingman I g
Since HELP closed I hear hot spots are a bit iffy. I plan tyo hit Brazil for a couple months but need a cheet sheet of places that rate cause i don't want to hit and miss if possible. I know i could search for the info in past posts but could you guys fork over the bestest and most current recommendations for me and let me know if someone wants to be a wing man cause flying solo isnt always so cool...Regarding the wingman I now hear it IS better to go to the termas solo. OK
JE, your posts do not deserve any response.
Please move here, live this wonderful life of brasilians. Leave Copacabana, meet women who wouldn't even dream working as prostitutes. Meet people who despise all mongering gringos etc.
Then you'll get some perspective on your vision.
Talking about composers and poets is just plain naive.
Me bully? Well I do not see my post as such, just trying to pass the feelings of people who do not live in favelas.
I do love Brasil, I live here and this is probably best country on this planet by far, but STILL this is far from paradise you try to "sell" here.
Life here is good. Especially far from favelas.
Exec Talent
06-16-10, 18:03
JE, your posts do not deserve any response.
Please move here, live this wonderful life of brasilians. Leave Copacabana, meet women who wouldn't even dream working as prostitutes. Meet people who despise all mongering gringos etc.
Then you'll get some perspective on your vision.
Talking about composers and poets is just plain naive.
Me bully? Well I do not see my post as such, just trying to pass the feelings of people who do not live in favelas.
I do love Brasil, I live here and this is probably best country on this planet by far, but STILL this is far from paradise you try to "sell" here.
Life here is good. Especially far from favelas.
Could you elaborate?
I do love Brasil, I live here and this is probably best country on this planet by far, but STILL this is far from paradise you try to "sell" here.
Life here is good. Especially far from favelas.IF, and only IF You Have MONEY in Brazil is Life Good. For everyone else, it's hand-to-mouth. In Povoados, not only favelas. What is truly revolting is to see a foreigner -- the Ugly American -- with a little cash come to Brazil and discover that he can make poor Brazilian people dance to his tune, and then turn around and despise these same poor people.
Since HELP closed I hear hot spots are a bit iffy. I plan tyo hit Brazil for a couple months but need a cheet sheet of places that rate cause i don't want to hit and miss if possible. I know i could search for the info in past posts but could you guys fork over the bestest and most current recommendations for me and let me know if someone wants to be a wing man cause flying solo isnt always so cool...
The last time I was in Rio was this past March, since Help was closed all the action of Terraco Atlantico and Help moved down to Dolce Vita and Balcony bar.
Since March I have not read one report on this board that anything has changed. No new place opened up or any old ones closed.
Most of the reports on this board have been debates of different subjects, seems to be a lot of masterdebaters here.
Since March I have not read one report on this board that anything has changed. No new place opened up or any old ones closed.
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Nothing has changed, there is no new news to report.
Could you elaborate?
Well, I have traveled extensively. Europe, Asia, Africa, Middle-East and North- and South America.
My travels have not been 1 - 2 week stays in different countries, but I have actually lived in many countries from 3 months to 1 year or more.
Europe is very homogenous place. Not too much difference no matter where you go. Lots of nice countries to live in, but EXPENSIVE.
Asia, for me very complex. I'm way too straight to be able to live there. Kind of an elephant in porcelain store deal.
Africa, well most of the countries are shitholes. Just too dirty and messy.
Middle-East, islam... no need to say more, do I?
North-America, I lived in USA for a year and that was most I could take. Don't want to go to details but not a place for me. In Canada I could live but way too cold for me. Mexico... well...
South-America, I came first to Brasil and I liked it here. I have traveled in neighbouring countries but they do not really feel right.
Then to the positive points of Brasil:
Freedom, I can do just about what ever I want to. Nobody is harassing.
Weather, Almost all year around the weather is excellent. I just hate cold.
Food, the variety of food in Brasil is amazing, there are so many dishes and for a meatloving heterosexual male this is the country to be.
Women, well no need to go to the details on this, right? Just one detail, they have no headaches here....
Since moving to Brasil I have learned to take everything easy. Nobody cares. Everybody are pretty much easygoing people (the other side of the coin is that nothing gets done).
But as I have said, this all comes with a price.
But as I have said, this all comes with a price. Begs a question: Which is?
Begs a question: Which is?
Well I already wrote about this, but:
Crime, favelas, bureaucracy, traffic... you name it.
The funny thing is that the guy even writes a post in the Rio thread trying to promote Uzbekistan, and then... Boom! Racial tensions explode. Hundreds of people are killed. Dozens burned. Just... the nicest place on Earth! Check for yourself:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/13/kyrgyz.violence/?hpt=T1
I believe the events you are referring to took place in Kyrgyzstan, not Uzbekistan.
Tom and Vinicius wrote the song in the sixties from one of the benches of the bar. From where they would watch this beautiful girl stroll to the nearby beach.
The events surrounding "Garota de Ipanema" are themselves fascinating. Just as you say, Tom and Vinicius would sit at a table every day and watch this beautiful girl walking to the beach. This was in 1960. They subsequently wrote the song, which became a big hit. After it became a big hit, an investigative reporter in Rio tracked down the girl and found out that she was only 14 years old! Whether Tom and Vinicius were embarrassed by this I don't know, although I sincerely doubt it.
Flash forward to the year 2000. The girl who was the subject of the song, who is now 54, is living in Sao Paulo and married to a wealthy man. She decides to use some of her husband's money to start a chain of boutiques in Brazil called--big surprise--"A Garota de Ipanema." Tom and Vinicius are now dead, but their executors go to court to block her from using the name for her stores, citing copyright infringement...and they win! Think of the irony. I read all this in the LA Times about 10 years ago.
There is also an interesting story regarding the recording history of the song. The original Brazilian version of the song was recorded by Joao Gilberto in Portuguese, and became a hit in Brazil. Around 1962, the American jazz musicians Charlie Byrd and Stan Getz journeyed to Brazil, became captivated by the bossa nova sound and decided to incorporate it into their music. Getz went further, however, and approached Tom and Vinicius about obtaining the US rights to the song, with Joao doing vocals and Getz playing tenor sax. They agreed, but US music producers balked at releasing the song only in Portuguese, thinking it would sell only if it had English lyrics as well. By mere chance, Joao's wife Astrud was in the studio the day Getz and Joao were recording. Astrud had never sung before, but she knew English, so she volunteered to record the vocals in English. Problem was, Astrud couldn't sing very well, but this didn't matter; people who heard the song thought she was just singing in a jazz style, when actually she just couldn't sing.
The masters of this recording, with Getz on tenor, Joao on Portuguese vocals and Astrud on English vocals were presented to Getz's studio. The studio execs thought the recording was too long and cut out Joao entirely. The song was released in the US with only Astrud's English vocals and became the biggest hit of 1964, and the minimally talented Astrud became a big star. True story. Astrud and Joao were later divorced. The original full length recording with both Portuguese and English vocals is now available and IMHO is one of the greatest pop tunes ever recorded.
I believe the events you are referring to took place in Kyrgyzstan, not Uzbekistan.
The events surrounding "Garota de Ipanema" are themselves fascinating.
Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan are neighbours. And a substantial part of the population of Kyrgyzstan are racially "uzbekos". They are the ones that are persecuted and escaping to Uzbekistan. In any case, the area is really dangerous. Go if you wish, but racial tensions and violence are a terrible combination.
Great stories, by the way, about the Garota de Ipanema....
What I'd like to convey to Perkele and others is that if you don't have any appreciation for the brazilian culture, you'll always be considered a "dirty gringo". And you'll aways feel like a foreigner in Brasil.
Vinicius is not just "a poet". He's a basic element in brazilian's DNA together with Jobim, the Carnaval, the escolas de samba, Joao Gilberto or Oscar Niemayer.
Please move here, live this wonderful life of brasilians. Leave Copacabana, meet women who wouldn't even dream working as prostitutes. Meet people who despise all mongering gringos etc.
...Talking about composers and poets is just plain naive....
I do love Brasil, I live here and this is probably best country on this planet by far, but STILL this is far from paradise you try to "sell" here.
What can I say? This is the first time that I read something "almost positive" about Brazil, from you. Congratulations. Your last two posts at least show some heart.
Believe me, I know Brazil. I've lived in Brazil. I've dozens of brazilians friends. And I have traveled extensiveley through the country (no less than 30.000 kms by car in the last years).
We may not agree in every area (forget the favelas) but I can see some of your points.
But know that to be appreciated, you need to appreciate them!!
Forget the buraucracy and the black spots in the brazilian-way-of-life. They're a pain in the neck. Learn to appreciate what makes brazilians proud. Their music, their soccer, their food.... otherwise you'll always be considered a "dirty gringo".
Vinicius, Jobim, the Carnaval, the escolas de samba, Joao Gilberto, Oscar Niemayer... aren't just names for them. Brazilians love beauty. They love music. And they are, probably, the most gregarious people on earth.
Believe me, if you develop good friendships with brazilians they will last forever. But show some heart. Life is so much more than resenting people around you.
What can I say? This is the first time that I read something "almost positive" about Brazil, from you. Congratulations. Your last two posts at least show some heart.
Believe me, I know Brazil. I've lived in Brazil. I've dozens of brazilians friends. And I have traveled extensiveley through the country (no less than 30.000 kms by car in the last years).
We may not agree in every area (forget the favelas) but I can see some of your points.
But know that to be appreciated, you need to appreciate them!!
Forget the buraucracy and the black spots in the brazilian-way-of-life. They're a pain in the neck. Learn to appreciate what makes brazilians proud. Their music, their soccer, their food.... otherwise you'll always be considered a "dirty gringo".
Vinicius, Jobim, the Carnaval, the escolas de samba, Joao Gilberto, Oscar Niemayer... aren't just names for them. Brazilians love beauty. They love music. And they are, probably, the most gregarious people on earth.
Believe me, if you develop good friendships with brazilians they will last forever. But show some heart. Life is so much more than resenting people around you."Dirty Gringo"?
You are so freaking clueless that you are starting to sound a bit scary.
Let me enlighten you. Not EVERY brasilian like samba, bossa nova or any other brasilian music. Not EVERY brasilian like soccer. Not EVERY brasilian care about Carnaval.
If I do not care about those things, it doesn't make me a "DIRTY GRINGO" as you say.
What is more important is integration to the society. Learn the language. Understand the people. And last but not least, be with your own socioeconomic group.
You still see Brasil through rose tinted glasses and think that if you kiss their ass, telling them how great their composers, singers, architects etc. are, they will love you for that. Well good luck.
Trust me, the way to make friends here is with way easier. Sit down with them and have a beer. Discuss over daily issues. Or just STFU and listen what they have to say. Mingling with favela rats, who are plain miserable with their lives (trust me I've been there too) doesn't give you any insight of this country.
Also Brasil is so big country with so many differences that its difficult to get know them all.
I travel from Amazon jungles (ok major cities though) to South almost every year. You say that you drive 30.000 km per year by the car here, well that is not so much. I drive that much only in Rio state. Of course I fly to most cities.
Just to conclude, if you keep telling that living in Brasil is just bossa nova, football, carnaval and extremely happy people and that favelas are paradises, you are SO lost that no-one can help you.
Vinicius is not just "a poet". He's a basic element in brazilian's DNA together with Jobim, the Carnaval, the escolas de samba, Joao Gilberto or Oscar Niemayer.For fucks sake!
Let me enlighten you. Not EVERY brasilian like samba, bossa nova or any other brasilian music. Not EVERY brasilian like soccer. Not EVERY brasilian care about Carnaval.+1. Most cosmopolitan paulistas literally abhor all this brasilian folkloric shit (carnaval, bahiana BS, ect). And the only brasilian musics they listen to are either brasilian rock such as Legiao Urbana, Titas, Skank, Charlie Brown Jr, ect, either brasilian hip-hop, which is big in SP. They don't give a rat's ass about bossa nova, samba or bahiana shit.
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Beach Star
06-17-10, 15:37
Si vc é feliz assim mesmo, tudo bem, cara. O mundo é grande.
Que brasileiros no gostan de futebol ni de samba?
Boa sorte, Perkele. A vida como ela é.I don't see any evidence you have even been to Brazil. Is it a high school project? If so you flunked the portuguese phrase for the day.
For fucks sake!Kind of sums it all up perfectly.
I don't see any evidence you have even been to brazil. Is it a high school project? If so you flunked the portuguese phrase for the day.
É uma piada? Pode dizer isso mesmo em portugués? Porque eu acho que, para afirmar isso, seu portugués debe ser bem bom. Nao é?
English Translation: Is this a joke? Could you write the same thing in portuguese? Cause I guess that, to state that, your portuguese has to be really good. Isn't it?
In Spanish: Además deberías saber, Beach Star, que para cualquier español el portugués es muy fácil de aprender. Mucho más si viajas regularmente a Brasil.
Veo que éste foro está repleto de personajes singulares. La vida que da sorpresas. sorpresas que da la vida...
The argument banter here is funny. I kind of enjoy it. :)
IMO and generally speaking, living in Brasil isn't much different than living in any other SA country I've lived in ... Colombia and Venezuela.
Visitors, like most of us on this forum, see the fun, glamour, more open, easy-going culture and society ... not to mention the availability of beautiful women, both pros and non-pros.
It's fantastic!!
Like Perkele and others have mentioned though, everyday living can be frustrating at times. Dealing with the government, inefficiences, indifference, slowness, etc. isn't so fantastic.
No different than in other SA countries.
If you're a visitor hanging out at the beach, the termas, the boates, etc for a week or so, of course it's all roses.
If you're a Brasileiro from the high end social-economic level, again of course things are much easier on you and great.
Now, if you're from the lower end of the totem pole, working your duff off for peanuts and just hoping to get by, it's not all sweet honey.
Just like in Colombia, I find Brazillian people generally nice and friendly, but life can, for sure, be tough on 'em.
Why do you think oooodles of them dream of going to the US??
They've heard of the dream of making big money there, whether it's false or not.
Hey, I'm a romantic like Jota Erre too.
The more I learn and live the culture in Brasil, the more I like it.
I'm a realist too though, I know that life isn't always milk and honey for everyone in Brasil and that not everyone is dancing the Samba in the streets.
For some life is down-right miserable.
That's just reality.
Now back to the drama ........... :)
I don't see any evidence you have even been to brazil. Is it a high school project? If so you flunked the portuguese phrase for the day.
E ahí? Como vai vc? ..comeu-te a língua o gato?
English Translation: So? What's going on? Cat ate your tongue?
Porque para dar leccoes, vc nao tem duvidas, nao.
E ahí? Como vai vc? ..comeuche a lengua o gato?
English Translation: So? What's going on? Cat ate your tongue?
Porque para nos dar leccoes, vc nao tem duvidas, nao.Portuguese?
É uma piada? Pode dizer isso mesmo em portugués? Porque eu acho que, para afirmar isso, seu portugués debe ser bem bom. Nao é?
English Translation: Is this a joke? Could you write the same thing in portuguese? Cause I guess that, to state that, your portuguese has to be really good. Isn't it?
In Spanish: Además deberías saber, Beach Star, que para cualquier español el portugués es muy fácil de aprender. Mucho más si viajas regularmente a Brasil.
Veo que éste foro está repleto de personajes singulares. La vida que da sorpresas. sorpresas que da la vida...First I thought that you "only" had a weird agenda. But obviously you need to consult.
Portuguese...?Slang. If you wanna have correct portuguese I can do it too. But most of the people here write in slang english anyway
vc = você
First I thought that you "only" had a weird agenda. But obviously you need to consult.
O cara que faltaba na festa....
...seja bem vindo Prosal!
Ooops.. sorry, to keep you waiting... I was talking with Argentina on Skype... Más concretamente con los amigotes de Buenos Aires.
Oi, você também fala portugués, Prosal? Um cara do mundo como você te que falar mais que bem. Nâo é? E ahí... fale umas palabrinhas....
English Translation: Hi, you also speak portuguese, Prosal? A man of the world like yourself has to speak really great. Doncha? So.. whay don't you speak a few words...
Slang. If you wanna have correct portuguese I can do it too.
Thank you, but rather not.
It's already a bit embarrasing.
Do you have a job or other interest? Fascinating.
Houston Player
06-17-10, 23:24
Jota, I understand your portuguese however I must point out that you definitely have your 'b' and 'v' mixed up. debe ser I think you mean deve ser and palabrinhas should be palavrinhas.
well... it seems we're not gonna get prosal's speech in portuguese..
at least not for today.. pity.
tomorrow i'm flying to paris for a work meeting, so i won't bother you at least for another week. i know that both you and perkele are desperately waiting for my post on oscar neimeyer, but hey... it will have to wait.
you say that you drive 30.000 km per year by the car here, well that is not so much. i drive that much only in rio state. of course i fly to most cities.
first, what i said is that i've driven that distance in the last years. several years!
of course for you that's... nothing!!
but are you sure? you do 30.000 kms inside the state? just in a year? because, in case you haven't noticed, the state of rio is rather small. from rio de janeiro to sao paulo there are exactly 420 kms. and that's another state!
well... it seems we're not gonna get prosal's speech in portuguese..
at least not for today.. pity.
tomorrow i'm flying to paris for a work meeting, so i won't bother you at least for another week. i know that both you and perkele are desperately waiting for my post on oscar neimeyer, but hey... it will have to wait.
first, what i said is that i've driven that distance in the last years. several years!
of course for you that's... nothing!!
but are you sure? you do 30.000 kms inside the state? just in a year? because, in case you haven't noticed, the state of rio is rather small. from rio de janeiro to sao paulo there are exactly 420 kms. and that's another state!you're funny little guy. did you know that when you go somewhere, you might come back from there? or how about a little roundtrip like rio - novo friburgo - teresopolis - petropolis - rio. or any other way. how about going to cabo frio or buzios or angra or paraty or where ever.
that's enough of driving. if you drive every single day to somewhere, there will be quite a lot kilometers there.
+1. Most cosmopolitan paulistas literally abhor all this brasilian folkloric shit (carnaval, bahiana BS, ect). And the only brasilian musics they listen to are either brasilian rock such as Legiao Urbana, Titas, Skank, Charlie Brown Jr, ect, either brasilian hip-hop, which is big in SP. They don't give a rat's ass about bossa nova, samba or bahiana shit.
That's what I'm been trying to say. I just had a nice time with my in-laws and I spoke with my brother-in-law and he couldn't care less of bossa nova, samba or any other JE bullshit.
Well....
O cara que faltaba na festa....
...seja bem vindo Prosal!
Ooops.. sorry, to keep you waiting... I was talking with Argentina on Skype... Más concretamente con los amigotes de Buenos Aires.
Oi, você também fala portugués, Prosal? Um cara do mundo como você te que falar mais que bem. Nâo é? E ahí... fale umas palabrinhas....
English Translation: Hi, you also speak portuguese, Prosal? A man of the world like yourself has to speak really great. Doncha? So.. whay don't you speak a few words...
Are you serious?
You can probably speak enough to get 10% discount from Copacabana favela ho's, but you're FAR FAR from fluent.
Save us from further examples, please.
Poucolouco
06-18-10, 04:35
O cara que faltaba na festa....
...seja bem vindo Prosal!
Ooops.. sorry, to keep you waiting... I was talking with Argentina on Skype... Más concretamente con los amigotes de Buenos Aires.
Oi, você também fala portugués, Prosal? Um cara do mundo como você te que falar mais que bem. Nâo é? E ahí... fale umas palabrinhas....
English Translation: Hi, you also speak portuguese, Prosal? A man of the world like yourself has to speak really great. Doncha? So.. whay don't you speak a few words...Your translations are as painful as your Portuguese.
Is English your second language?
Boy Of Ipanema
06-18-10, 10:07
Please stop trolling forums. All the places you walk, you create discord and bad feeling among the people. Are not you tired?. I know you have much free time and you could use it to make more constructive things.
You've been kicked out of other forums with different pseudonyms.
(Bondjamesbond, Riojamonero, Morachinos, Joe Carioca, etc.), and now Jota Erre. How long will this last?.
I really think you should pay you a good psychological treatment.
Please stop, do it for your sake and the sake of others.
BOI
Flash forward to the year 2000. The girl who was the subject of the song, who is now 54, is living in Sao Paulo and married to a wealthy man. She decides to use some of her husband's money to start a chain of boutiques in Brazil called--big surprise--"A Garota de Ipanema." Tom and Vinicius are now dead, but their executors go to court to block her from using the name for her stores, citing copyright infringement...and they win! Think of the irony. I read all this in the LA Times about 10 years ago.
Wow has it been 10 years already? I remember reading this too when the lawsuit started but didn't realize she lost.
Her arguement was even though they have the rights and they wrote the song but she was in fact "A Garota de Ipanema" I guess it didn't hold water.
Wow has it been 10 years already? I remember reading this too when the lawsuit started but didn't realize she lost.
Her arguement was even though they have the rights and they wrote the song but she was in fact "A Garota de Ipanema" I guess it didn't hold water.
I think it was very unfair that she lost. After all, they used her to get rich and then she can't even profit from her own unsought celebrity.
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