Living in China

[Ace Gallant]

There are the rare cases and if (like in my case i.e. Shenzhen thread) you befriend the girl and see her more than once, she might actually be telling you the truth. Should I find her in the stables next time I go, then I will know I was snowed, but she has yet to return to any that I frequent.

-SZEGuys,

In this world anything is possible, I've been to Smokey Mountains in Phillippines and saw people eating out of the garbage dump.

But just as I said, just use our head to think whether those stories are true or not. But does it matters? You are going to fuck her or not? After you fuck her... are you going to marry her? What is an extra 50 RMB tip if she gave you a good time?

AG

[Mock A Bee]

The following article was published in the Shanghai Daily.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=309467

Most of the time, you don't have to worry too much if you visit established places such as saunas or a BBS's. However, the article states that the setup was done via the internet.

Be careful, you just never know.

MAB

[Tonyxxx001]

[QUOTE=Night Cat]Shenyang -- brrr. Sounds cold. Other than that, your situation sounds intriguing.

I'm also a 43yo laowai who has taught English on and off. Considering your description of the situation and the woman, her smiling at you even in the embarrassing situation, etc., I would move forward.

Thanks for your support Night Cat, it seemed that quite a few persons did not see the situation intriguing like you and I did. I guess it must be that we are both 43 years old.

Well, to let you know what has happened and it was a coincident to read the advice you gave me. Actually, I have made the move on her and it was a positive one.
She is a great cook, she evens cooks some western foods and it is one of the reasons I hired her besides just for cleaning and doing my laundry.

Two weeks ago I sat down to eat in my dining room after Mei had served the dinner and placed it on the table. I always watch her while she is in the kitchen because I have clear glass doors dividing the kitchen and dining room. She always wears those tight long johns every woman here wears in the winter time and she looks good in them because she has a lovely body.

I had the same idea as to approach her while she does the cleaning in the kitchen. So after I finished eating I brought the dirty plates to her in the kitchen and she was gathering the pans from the stove. I went to get a drink from the fridge and she started to wash the pans.

I figured this was my chance to give it a try with her and see what happens so I placed my bottle of juice beside the sink and approached her from behind. I just placed my arms around her waist and whispered in her ear “Ni piao liang”, you are beautiful in Chinese Mandarin. She was startled at first with my intentions and I kissed her on the neck. To my surprise she did not pull away from me and gave a bit of a moan from my touch. Well, that was the signal, so I told her “Wo yao xiang ni!”, I want you! She smiled at me and said the same thing to me! I couldn’t believe what was happening, it was so easy but I guess the feelings were there the whole time. I was just afraid to hurt or insult her in anyway since she is a Chinese woman and I have never done this before to a Chinese woman older than me. By the way she is 47 years old.

Anyway, I had an instant woody so I took her by her hand and led her to the living room and we sat down on the sofa. I just held her close and started kissing her; turns out she is a great kisser. She noticed from the kitchen that I had a hard-on so she placed her hand into my long johns which I wear also when I am at home started to rub my cock. She asked me something in Chinese but I could not understand it. She pointed to her mouth and then to my cock. I got it, she wanted to give me a blow job and all the guys who joked about her not having teeth, and well I hate to let you know she has all her teeth and all in perfect condition.

Mei, then helped me take my clothes off and I sat back down on the sofa and she began to slowly give me a blow job. I have to say it was the wettest mouth my cock has been in.

She sucked my cock for about 15 to 20 minutes and most of time a blow job will not make me cum, it takes quite awhile for me. While she sucked I pulled down her long johns and panties and played with clit and fingered her pussy. I also got my fingers nice and wet from her pussy and started to finger her asshole. She flinched at first but then started to moan but she only let me do it for a short time before she told me to stop.

Mei then took all her clothes off and to my amazement, she has a pair of lovely breasts that are just the right size, not too big and not too small. I sucked on them for a bit and kissed and licked her all over. I went down on her and licked and sucked her clit for awhile which made her moan even heavier. I had the feeling she was going to be a moaner when I eventually banged her. The foreplay went on for a half hour before we got so horny and we went into my bedroom. I just laid her down and spread her legs apart and began to fuck her. I was right she was a moaner and she led out sounds like you wouldn’t believe and it turned me on. I banged her for about 45 minutes before shooting a load into her. I loved it and she loved it too.

That night we stayed in bed and we screwed most of the night. She slept with me till 7:30 am the next morning and she woke me up by giving me a terrific blow job! I came right in her mouth and she licked and swallowed every bit of it.

To think that I was afraid this whole time and my maid, Mei, seems to be as horny as I am! I feel it has been a long time for her not having a man.

She got up to go to the bathroom and then came out to put on her clothes. I motioned to her not to put on her clothes and said “Bu, bu hao!”, No, no good. I didn’t know how to say it in Chinese, that I wanted her to be naked all day but she got the idea. I think she knows me more than I expected since she has been working for me for over a year now.

That day she did all of her normal routines except that she got up late with me. She usually is up by 6:00 am to start her daily chores. I pointed to her clothes and told her “Bu xin gan!”, not sexy! She laughed and said to me in Chinese, what would you like me to wear? Nothing? She smiled and I started to laugh but I told her I take her to buy some sexy clothes like some nice skirts, high heels and sexy lingerie for her to wear around the apartment. She looked at me as if I was crazy but said if that is what you want, no problem. I took her that day and she picked out some really sexy clothes.

Well, it’s been little over two weeks and I have been banging her every day and night and I get a morning blow job as a wake up call. I feel like king right now. I still see the others girls I have outside that I date and the sauna girls now that I am a regular to the “Ya Lu Guan Sauna” in Heping, Shenyang. Actually, one sauna girl is my girlfriend now but I see her from time to time, we go out for dinner, KTV, and hotel for some horizontal fun times.

For all those who were worried about me bringing other girls to my apartment, well, I never do since I had a bad experience with one girl I brought back to my apartment and when she saw the place she thought I was filthy rich and did not want to leave. I had to call the police to get her out. Actually, Mei, was with me at the time but she had recently started to work for me and did not get involved with the situation. So because of that incident I take all the girls I meet to a nice hotel instead.

Well, Night Cat I will keep you posted about what is going on with me and Mei. I hope to coax her to have some anal sex with me, we shall see.

Take care!

TonyXXX001

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Santa]

[QUOTE=Night Cat]

it seemed that quite a few persons did not see the situation intriguing like you and I did.
Well, Night Cat I will keep you posted about what is going on with me and Mei. I hope to coax her to have some anal sex with me, we shall see.

Take care!

TonyXXX001

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Great report Tony. Be sure to get her from behind when she's least expecting it.

Old Mother Hubbard, went to the cupboard, to fetch her doggy a bone. When she bent over, Tony took over, and gave her a bone of his own! :D

[Santa]

i think tony's story is so funny i can't stop laughing.

tony poopydick :d

when you're doing her doggy i hope her false teeth don't fall out! :d

sorry tony, i just love a good laugh, and your story is great!

[Santa]

I hope to coax her to have some anal sex with me, we shall see.

Take care!

TonyXXX001

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Hey Tony, when you ram your big bone up your old maid's pigu she might say, "pull it out and let me fart!" :D

Keep us posted buddy :D

[Old Mean Dog]

I agree with Santa, that is um, ahhh an interesting, but very funny story. If my 46 year old maid didn't cook and clean so well, I would try to find a younger one that I could stomach banging. There's just something about not wanting to pop old maids in China who wear longjohn's, when there are so many 18-25 year olds wearing mini-skirts.

Good luck with the back door action and make sure you use some grease.

"There once was a girl from Jahore, who would lye on a rug on the floor, in a manner uncanny, she would wiggle her fanny, and drain your balls dry to the core"

Take that Santa...

[Eaglestar]

All I can say is "I like your style, Tony"

Go for it with great gusto.

ES

[Night Cat]

Thanks for your support Night Cat, it seemed that quite a few persons did not see the situation intriguing like you and I did. I guess it must be that we are both 43 years old.
Bravo! You da man.

I owe you a beer. I was fantasizing about your situation, and you made it real, so that's kind of a thrill, even if only vicarious. You are an inspiration to 43yo "lao tai tai" lovers the world over.

Keep up the good work.

[Traveler1234]

My dad once told me nothing is free in life, and that's when my P4P life started. And i'm older than you :)

I don't eat where I shit....but that is my personal preference. I wish you the best of luck.


PS - i think the best part of your story is the wearing of the longjohns. Post a pix for us to admire :D

[Tonyxxx001]

hey guys,

just thought i give you guys a peek at mei. i took these photos in my apartment just recently. i bought her the green silk chinese dress a few days ago, i just love the classy look of chinese women in their tradition silk dress.

as you see she might be older but she does not look it at all. chinese women tend to take care of themselves more and the always look younger. took me awhile to find mei because i am very picky about women. i need to get her to take some naked pics but as of now she is too shy about it, in time!

catch you guys later,

tony

[Downunder96]

Just like this pose here
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1239634148063178090BqWIkN


My dad once told me nothing is free in life, and that's when my P4P life started. And i'm older than you :)

I don't eat where I shit....but that is my personal preference. I wish you the best of luck.


PS - i think the best part of your story is the wearing of the longjohns. Post a pix for us to admire :D

[DayNight]

Online scams are very common. I have met a few QQ girls which very obvious (to me) were trying the "Beer + Peanuts for 1500rmb" method. Those didn't spoke english and were targeting local players.

Be carefull whom you meet. Only go to places of YOUR choice.


The following article was published in the Shanghai Daily.
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=309467

Most of the time, you don't have to worry too much if you visit established places such as saunas or a BBS's. However, the article states that the setup was done via the internet.

Be careful, you just never know.

MAB

[Traveler1234]

Not everything is 'fake per se'. China is largest exporter of cashmere...the grade or quality of material might not be same but you're getting some blend.

At RMB$500 you can't really go wrong. My advice is to have one suit and couple of shirts made, and see how they go. Your size, etc. will be kept on file and you can always then resort to mail-order.

See my earlier post below re one shop. I haven't had anything made there (Yet) but several family members swear by them (and they're chinese who speak with lingo).

IMHO

[Santa]

Hi Tony.

Now, we all want you to ram your big red knob up your old maid's pigu and report back.

You have the entire China forum waiting in suspense.

Score one for the team! :D

[Member #3418]

Tony:

Well done. She looks good. Be careful though that it doesn't reach around and bite you in the ass playing that close to home with the help. Hope it works out for you though.

[Old Mean Dog]

hey guys,

just thought i give you guys a peek at mei. i took these photos in my apartment just recently. i bought her the green silk chinese dress a few days ago, i just love the classy look of chinese women in their tradition silk dress.

as you see she might be older but she does not look it at all. chinese women tend to take care of themselves more and the always look younger. took me awhile to find mei because i am very picky about women. i need to get her to take some naked pics but as of now she is too shy about it, in time!

catch you guys later,

tony

now i am jealous, i cannot take a photo of my old maid and post them here due to fear of being shunned and banished from the isg boards! if that's your maid, then you are one helluva lucky guy!

-sze

by the way, i am a marriage agent here in china and have seen hundred's of girls photo's, i will admit that yours look as good as any glamour photos done in a studio with computer assistance and lighting. to think it was done with a simple camera inside your apartment is amazing.......what kind of camera do you use and how expensive is your apartment?

[Tonyxxx001]

Now I am jealous, I cannot take a photo of my old maid and post them here due to fear of being shunned and banished from the ISG boards! If that's your maid, then you are one helluva lucky guy!

-SZE

By the way, I am a marriage agent here in China and have seen hundred's of girls photo's, I will admit that yours look as good as any glamour photos done in a studio with computer assistance and lighting. To think it was done with a simple camera inside your apartment is amazing.......what kind of camera do you use and how expensive is your apartment?I took these photos myself with my Digital Nikon 885 on a tripod, it has built in settings for indoor shots, I have practiced with it for a few years now and I have gotten pretty good with it.

Why do you want to know how much my apartment is?

I cannot not disclose that to anyone I do not know but I can tell you that I bought it new and I designed the interior myself since I was an architect back in the States. I am semi-retired now is why I am living in China taking it easy and teaching business English. I also have my own design and construction company here in Shenyang with a Chinese partner of mine from Tianjin. I know him from New York City, we returned to China together to take it easy.

Well, that's all for now.

TonyXXX001

[Old Mean Dog]

I took these photos myself with my Digital Nikon 885 on a tripod, it has built in settings for indoor shots, I have practiced with it for a few years now and I have gotten pretty good with it.

Why do you want to know how much my apartment is?

I cannot not disclose that to anyone I do not know but I can tell you that I bought it new and I designed the interior myself since I was an architect back in the States. I am semi-retired now is why I am living in China taking it easy and teaching business English. I also have my own design and construction company here in Shenyang with a Chinese partner of mine from Tianjin. I know him from New York City, we returned to China together to take it easy.

Well, that's all for now.

TonyXXX001

If the "maids" look that good up there, maybe I will quit my job and move there to teach English. I can hire a couple of these pretty maids! I ask because of comparison to the cost of living where I'm at, since your photos show some very nice Chinese design and art I am interested since my apartment is a bit drab and common.

-SZE

[Tonyxxx001]

If the "maids" look that good up there, maybe I will quit my job and move there to teach English. I can hire a couple of these pretty maids! I ask because of comparison to the cost of living where I'm at, since your photos show some very nice Chinese design and art I am interested since my apartment is a bit drab and common.

-SZEWell, depends on how much you want to spend and if you would like a view.

My apartment has a view and I design the whole interior myself but in buying the apartment which is just a shell plus the constructuion cost and materials.

It came ou to be 500,000 RMB.

Remember, I have been an architect and I do not rely on money I make here in China to live and buy things. I merely like to keep busy, meet pretty women of course and make connections.

Like I said it took me awhile to find Mei, majority of the maids do not even come close to her looks because they work too hard.

Where are you South? Women in North are much prettier I think, you should take a trip out this way when you get a chance.

Well, take it easy.

TonyXXX001

[Santa]

Hey Tony.

Did you use her pigu yet?

Did she say, "pull it out, I want to fart!" :D

[Ace Gallant]

Hey Tony.

Did you use her pigu yet?

Did she say, "pull it out, I want to fart!" :DSanta,

Pigu is Buttocks.

The correct way to saying Ass fuck is "Gao Pi" means: Fuck (Play) Ass

Ass Hole is Gan Men

AG

[Santa]

Santa,

Pigu is Buttocks.

The correct way to saying Ass fuck is "Gao Pi" means: Fuck (Play) Ass

Ass Hole is Gan Men

AG

Thanks AG for the clarification.

Also, in my dictionary there is pi4 yan3, which means butt eye. It's considered a vulger term.

So maybe it's better to say, "piyan". Is that correct?

How would Tony's old maid say, "pull it out I want to fart"?

[RCA Knight]

A China baby in HK taught me that ass screw is called "gan-jiao". She said this one is the most popular term. I have tried this word a few times with a few China babes, and they all understood it, but not many would do it, maybe with tons of tip.

[Ace Gallant]

Thanks AG for the clarification.

Also, in my dictionary there is pi4 yan3, which means butt eye. It's considered a vulger term.

So maybe it's better to say, "piyan". Is that correct?

How would Tony's old maid say, "pull it out I want to fart"?Hahaha. Piyan is the "eye of the ass" which is correct too. But never heard anyone use that besides the doctors.

La1 Chu4 Lai2, Wo3 Yao4 Fang4 Pi4 = Pull it out! I want to fart!

AG

[Night Cat]

Where are you South? Women in North are much prettier I think, you should take a trip out this way when you get a chance.
I may be heading up your direction this month, or possibly around June/July. I tried to PM you, but it said your account cannot receive PMs. Is there a way I can get in touch with you if I'm coming your way? Best regards,
NC

[Neuromancer]

His girl / maid looks a little like a girl which a buddy of mine back home is dating / considering marrying. Of course, this buddy of mine, his girl is from Taiwan and roughly the same age as Tony's maid. Sort of wonder if Tony is skinny and bald like my buddy.

My buddy's girl is divorced with two kids (who are old enough to take care of themselves now).

[Tonyxxx001]

I may be heading up your direction this month, or possibly around June/July. I tried to PM you, but it said your account cannot receive PMs. Is there a way I can get in touch with you if I'm coming your way? Best regards,
NCHey, how are you, NightCat.

I cannot PM because I'm a regular member, not a paid member

Only way is by email but I donot know if we are allowed to post email addresses here.
Well, talk to you soon.

Take care,

TonyXXX001

[Santa]

Has the chinese government ever granted citizenship to a non-chinese?

[Kunshan]

If you are a foreign citizen, but one of your parents is a Chinese citizen you can apply for Chinese citizenship, but you will have to renounce your own citizenship as China doesn't allow dual citizenship.

There would have been a LOT of people in the above situation (one or more parent being Chinese citizens) who came from Indonesia, Burma and Vietnam during the 60's and 70's.

Of people with no blood connection to China there have been a few cases, perhaps 50-100, I have no facts to back me up on those figures.

In the 50's and 60's there were a few cases of Russians who married in Chinese families getting their Chinese citizenship so they could stay in China. It was rare and the approval was very high up (Premier Zhou).

In special situations I am sure that the Chinese government will give citizenship.

Why you asking? Want a new passport?

[Santa]

Why you asking? Want a new passport?

Yes, I am already a citizen of three countries and would love to become a chinese citizen. I would be very proud to show off my chinese passport.

The US, and other countries, also do not "recognise" duel citizenship, and therefore the US will not allow me to enter the US on my other passports, but if Bonga Wonga also grants me citizenship and issues me a passport, well that's between me and Bonga Wonga. Right?

What would be the negatives and benefits of becoming a chinese citizen?

If I sent in an application, would they consider it, or think I must be a crazy fucking waiguoren and then trash it?

[Kunshan]

Try and get your Permanent Residence visa first, this allows you to work and live freely. If you can do that then you could try to apply for your Citizenship in a few years.

Negatives, you would have to renounce your other three citizenships and get the paperwork from those countries to show you are no longer a citizen.

You would lose your personal income tax benefits of being a Laowai.

You would also lose the right to have your (which ever passport you enter China on sets which embassy can help you) embassy coming to help you if you fall foul of Chinese law or officials.

Positives: Apart from not having to worry about visas, you would also be able to buy an apartment easier, could join the Party, become a people's deputy etc and start a business easier (preferably in that order!) You wouldn't be restricted to business that are approved for laowai,,,so as a Chinese you could legally open a BBS!

[Mock A Bee]

Has the chinese government ever granted citizenship to a non-chinese?

I assume this is just a rhetorical question.

However, anyone crazy enough to renounce their other citizenship for a Chinese passport must want to work at a Chinese Wal-Mart.

As noted in January 2007... Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world's biggest retailer and an icon of American capitalism, reports that local employees have established a branch of the Communist Party at its China headquarters.


The Top 16 Differences in a Communist Wal-Mart


16> Long lines, empty shelves, grumpy cashiers -- even when it's
not Christmastime!

15> Excess items in your cart get redistributed to people with
fewer items.

14> In *this* Wal-Mart, the necks aren't the only things that
are red.

13> Greeters check your Communist Party ID card before wishing
you an "adequate shopping experience."

12> Four tires made by state-run tire company: 27 yuan.
One pair tennis shoes: 18 yuan.
Two-seat stroller: 25-to-life in Mongolian prison.

11> Gang of Four albums always on sale.

10> Amazingly, the clothing selection is even *lamer* at the
Communist Wal-Mart.

9> Returns and exchanges must be taken to the Siberia store.

8> The only cat food they carry is Mao-Mix.

7> Unlike most Wal-Marts, here you can actually find products
made in your home country.

6> "All day, every day: Our >CrAzY< sale on hammers and
sickles!!!"

5> Point-of-sale item next to the cash register: dog jerky.

4> Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers.
Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV
propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good
of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--
... er, never mind.

3> Every third Wednesday is "Nostalgik Breadline Day."

2> Always on clearance: infant girls.

1> If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
you get up to 50 percent off your Puppy Chow.

[Old Mean Dog]

Has the chinese government ever granted citizenship to a non-chinese?

Your already the Mayor of Chang Ping, whats next all of China?

Chairman Santa....hahahaha

[Bill Lee]

If I was an English, Irish or Welsh citizen, could I easily get a permanent residence card in HK? But I have no ancestry link to China or Hong Kong and I am not even Asian.

Then I can easily enter and stay in China?

This would be an option as oppose to renouncing my other citizenship and taking on a Chinese citizenship.

Bill

[Santa]

so as a Chinese you could legally open a BBS!



Wow!!! Santa's BBS. Now that would be cool! :D

[Gualtier Malde]

The US, and other countries, also do not "recognise" duel citizenship, and therefore the US will not allow me to enter the US on my other passports, but if Bonga Wonga also grants me citizenship and issues me a passport, well that's between me and Bonga Wonga. Right?


Santa,

I believe I understand what you are saying above, but it may be misleading to readers. As a US citizen you can also be a citizen of another country. The US does not require that you renounce citizenship of other countries. Thus, you can have dual (or multiple) citizenships.

However, at the border, if you are a US citizen and a citizen of another country, the US will treat you based on your US citizenship, and ask to see your US passport for entry rather than your other passports. Thus, they do not "recognize" your other citizenships for purposes of entry or treatment while in the US. While in the US, you are treated as a US citizen even if you carry a Bonga Wonga passport.

I know plenty of folks with multiple citizenships in the US, but I also know folks who lost their China citizenship when they became a US citizen (required by China, not by the US). It is interesting to see those folks back in China, welcomed and honored as "sea turtles", yet not given citizenship because of their outside citizenship. They are foreigners in their land of birth.

EDIT: Here is what the US State Department says on the subject:



Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.
GM

[DayNight]

Has the chinese government ever granted citizenship to a non-chinese?

I am sure there are plenty of ethic Koreans that are made Chinese now. For westerners it's rare, but I heard there are a few "foreigners" that became Chinese.

In Hong Kong it's fairly common for non-ethnic-Chinese to apply for Chinese citizenship - and get it! Best known example is Mike Rowse (ex NZ)

[Neuromancer]

I assume this is just a rhetorical question.

However, anyone crazy enough to renounce their other citizenship for a Chinese passport must want to work at a Chinese Wal-Mart.

As noted in January 2007. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. , the world's biggest retailer and an icon of American capitalism, reports that local employees have established a branch of the Communist Party at its China headquarters.

The Top 16 Differences in a Communist Wal-Mart

16> Long lines, empty shelves, grumpy cashiers.- even when it's not Christmastime!

15> Excess items in your cart get redistributed to people with fewer items.

14> In *this* Wal-Mart, the necks aren't the only things that are red.

13> Greeters check your Communist Party ID card before wishing you an "adequate shopping experience. "

12> Four tires made by state-run tire company: 27 yuan. One pair tennis shoes: 18 yuan. Two-seat stroller: 25-to-life in Mongolian prison.

11> Gang of Four albums always on sale.

10> Amazingly, the clothing selection is even *lamer* at the Communist Wal-Mart.

9> Returns and exchanges must be taken to the Siberia store.

8> The only cat food they carry is Mao-Mix.

7> Unlike most Wal-Marts, here you can actually find products made in your home country.

6> "All day, every day: Our >CrAzY< sale on hammers and sickles! "

5> Point-of-sale item next to the cash register: dog jerky.

4> Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers. Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--. Er, never mind.

3> Every third Wednesday is "Nostalgik Breadline Day. "

2> Always on clearance: infant girls.

1> If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you get up to 50 percent off your Puppy Chow. LOL. When was the last time you were in China? 1985?

Unless, of course, you were being sarcastic. I think Walmart is more "communist" than "communist China". Can't find the link right now, but there was a recent article about Walmart employing former CIA agents, FBI agents and other various security personel to "monitor" current employees for any violation of house rules.

[Santa]

I read somewhere that if Walmart was a nation it would rank as one of the world's largest economies. Also, that walmart opens a new store every couple of days. Don't know if that is true.

[Ace Gallant]

LOL. When was the last time you were in China? 1985?



I don't know where are you coming from but Mock-A-Bee; an ABC had been living in China for the past 7 years and now is living in Shanghai.

Enjoy!
AG

[Shanghai Noon #2]

Hi,

Just curious if anyone has experiences owning a car in Shanghai? Getting a taxi during the rush hour is just awful here in Shanghai. I think it also gives an element of prestige in Shanghai(the materialistic capital of the world:-).

If you have any thoughts to share on this issue I would be grateful to hear it. I am considering getting a car here, I am thinking of getting a Honda CRV so I could get around without fighting with the locals on getting a cab during the peak times. I do not mind depreciation costs as long as it is within 20,000 rmb a year, since I currently spend 500rmb/week on taxi cost here in Shanghai(approximately 24,000rmb/year).

Thank you for any helpful input.

[Fast Eddie 48]

If I was an English, Irish or Welsh citizen, could I easily get a permanent residence card in HK? But I have no ancestry link to China or Hong Kong and I am not even Asian.

Then I can easily enter and stay in China?

This would be an option as oppose to renouncing my other citizenship and taking on a Chinese citizenship.

Bill



to bill


I am a US citizen grow up in the US but I was born in hong kong , I just apply for my HK ID and china return home premit 3 yr ago it allow me to travel to China without a visa and I can stay as long as like .

You can also get a china working premit your china base company can apply for you but if you are a resident of china you are subject to pay income tax in china .


fast eddie 48

[DayNight]

1. If I was an English, Irish or Welsh citizen, could I easily get a permanent residence card in HK? But I have no ancestry link to China or Hong Kong and I am not even Asian.

2. Then I can easily enter and stay in China?

This would be an option as oppose to renouncing my other citizenship and taking on a Chinese citizenship.

Bill

1. You can apply "permanent residence" in HK after living there legally for 7 years. Then you get a permanent ID card, and keep your whatever passport.

2. No, you still need a visa like everybody else. Only benefit if you are a "permanent resident", you can get a 3 year visa.

>I just apply for my HK ID and china return home permit 3 yr ago

Only "Chinese Nationals" can get the "return home permit". It's sometimes lax handled and you may have slipped through. As a westerner no chance!

[Mock A Bee]

LOL. When was the last time you were in China? 1985?

Unless, of course, you were being sarcastic. I think Walmart is more "communist" than "communist China". Can't find the link right now, but there was a recent article about Walmart employing former CIA agents, FBI agents and other various security personel to "monitor" current employees for any violation of house rules.

When was the last time I was in China? Yes, AG is correct, I currently live in Shanghai, previously Beijing - and no, I am not a Chinese Citizen. Never have been, never will be and never want to be.

What are you thinking? This was a joke list! I didn't even create it!

What the F*** do CIA, FBI and other security agents have to do with my posting? Being sarcastic? You obviously have no sense of humor and didn't get it.

You need to leave the house and get a life dude!
Are you a loser or what?

MAB

[Mock A Bee]

I read somewhere that if Walmart was a nation it would rank as one of the world's largest economies. Also, that walmart opens a new store every couple of days. Don't know if that is true.

I believe Wal-Mart would rank as the equivalent of country #8.

MAB

[Neuromancer]

When was the last time I was in China? Yes, AG is correct, I currently live in Shanghai, previously Beijing - and no, I am not a Chinese Citizen. Never have been, never will be and never want to be.

What are you thinking? This was a joke list! I didn't even create it!

What the F*** do CIA, FBI and other security agents have to do with my posting? Being sarcastic? You obviously have no sense of humor and didn't get it.

You need to leave the house and get a life dude!
Are you a loser or what?

MABDude, chill out. I thought it was clear that I was saying it somewhat in jest, though obviously it wasn't clear enough.

Since you're living in China, do you really believe that China is really that "red" nowadays? I suppose if you're comparing with the US. My whole point was that Walmart is probably about as "red" (or at least big-brother'ish) as China is.

And no, I didn't get the joke so I guess I don't have a sense of humor. Maybe I just didn't think it was very funny.

[Mock A Bee]

Neuromancer,

4> Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers. Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--. Er, never mind.


This is the key item that makes fun of WalMart in the US - if you got the joke.
Nope, you just didn't get it, however plenty of other people have sent me a PM, and clearly DID get it.

MAB

[Ace Gallant]

Neuromancer,

4> Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers. Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--. Er, never mind.


This is the key item that makes fun of WalMart in the US - if you got the joke.
Nope, you just didn't get it, however plenty of other people have sent me a PM, and clearly DID get it.

MAB

MAB,

Give him a break.... clear enough he is not localised... let's get back to the subject "Finding girls for sex".... ok?

You up for KTV tonight or tomorrow night?

AG

[Neuromancer]

Neuromancer,

4> Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers. Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--. Er, never mind.

This is the key item that makes fun of WalMart in the US - if you got the joke.
Nope, you just didn't get it, however plenty of other people have sent me a PM, and clearly DID get it.

MABWell, that was what I was trying to say in my original post.

Anyway, apologize for the "when was the last time you were in China" bit. Have tendency of being overly confrontational at times, though I WAS tossing in my own bit of sarcasm myself (got the year wrong, should've been 1984, not 1985 - ie. George Orwell. Stupid me for not doing a quick Google search first). Suppose that I should've just caught the sarcasm and let it pass.

[Rob Hay]

I wouldnt say that a Honda CRV would give any added prestige in Shanghai since these people are only impressed by top brands, but it is awfully expensive to buy a car. A 3 series BMW start at 50k USD and a mini cooper is double what it is the states. Have you considered getting a driver instead? I think getting driven around in an Audi is much cooler than having to drive around in the crazy traffic yourself



Hi,

Just curious if anyone has experiences owning a car in Shanghai? Getting a taxi during the rush hour is just awful here in Shanghai. I think it also gives an element of prestige in Shanghai(the materialistic capital of the world:-).

If you have any thoughts to share on this issue I would be grateful to hear it. I am considering getting a car here, I am thinking of getting a Honda CRV so I could get around without fighting with the locals on getting a cab during the peak times. I do not mind depreciation costs as long as it is within 20,000 rmb a year, since I currently spend 500rmb/week on taxi cost here in Shanghai(approximately 24,000rmb/year). .

[Ace Gallant]

I wouldnt say that a Honda CRV would give any added prestige in Shanghai since these people are only impressed by top brands, but it is awfully expensive to buy a car. A 3 series BMW start at 50k USD and a mini cooper is double what it is the states. Have you considered getting a driver instead? I think getting driven around in an Audi is much cooler than having to drive around in the crazy traffic yourself

The License for a car cost around 30K to 40K RMB, if you register a company or representative office; they provide you one free license. The car itself cost around 350K to 500K RMB for either Audi A6 or BMW 5 series. These two are manufactured in China. If you buy the import ones like BMW 7, Mercedes-Benz S-Series series etc…. it will cost you well over 1 mil RMB. Other cost will be the parking lot rental at your office or home that cost around 300 – 500RMB per month, depending on where you park. The driver salary cost around 3000 to 8000 per month depending on their experience.

RH is right it is better for you to get a driver; you don’t have to bother about the traffic and car parking especially during the weekends when you go out to places like XuJiahui.

However I found the local drivers are only willing to work 9am to 6pm on weekdays. If you need them to work in the evenings or weekends they will ask for triple the salary. Therefore you might want to hire a driver for the day time and drive your own in the evening. But than again, for me; I always ended up drinking at the bars in the evening and rather leave the car at home and take the Taxi.


Enjoy!
AG

[Vantageman]

Why not consider getting a driver w/ car rather than buying your own car and driving. One day service is usually around RMB500, 8 am to 6 pm shift.

[Albert Punter]

Yes, this seems best option to me too.
I used this type of service for the purpose to impress people I had to meet for business.
As I consider it worthwhile and reliable, actually I was thinking to rent such service to be driven to Hangzhou and be taken back to Shanghai, for a romantic weekend on West Lake with a freebie of mine :-)


Why not consider getting a driver w/ car rather than buying your own car and driving. One day service is usually around RMB500, 8 am to 6 pm shift.

[Ace Gallant]

Why not consider getting a driver w/ car rather than buying your own car and driving. One day service is usually around RMB500, 8 am to 6 pm shift.

Doesn;t work for those who live or stay in Shanghai. 500 X 30 days = 15,000 / month. = 180,000 / year

I believe this 500 / day does not includes Petrol, Carparking and Toll if you are going to outside Shanghai.

180,000 /year means basically you can own the car in 18 months.

BTW: Where did the 500/day came from? The last I got a quote for Audi A6 with a driver for long term (Min 1 week) was 1000/day. Can you let us have the company name? I can recommend that to my friends when they come into town for short period.

AG

[Shanghai Noon #2]

Doesn;t work for those who live or stay in Shanghai. 500 X 30 days = 15,000 / month. = 180,000 / year

I believe this 500 / day does not includes Petrol, Carparking and Toll if you are going to outside Shanghai.

180,000 /year means basically you can own the car in 18 months.

BTW: Where did the 500/day came from? The last I got a quote for Audi A6 with a driver for long term (Min 1 week) was 1000/day. Can you let us have the company name? I can recommend that to my friends when they come into town for short period.

AG

I was in Singapore and even though it is such a small place. You still need to get a cab to get around. If you are ever in Singapore during the rush hour and you are downtown (around Suntec plaza) you can forget about getting a cab in less than an hour. I have experienced the most awful wait in 40C heat waiting with other patrons. That is unless you have a cellular phone to call the cab companies. The only way to get out of that cab purgatory is to call the cab companies(like every other native Singaporean do) and reserve a cab. They will charge you a premium, I think it is around 2.5 or 3 Singaporean dollar(Approx. $2). However, your wait will be half the time by using the call in procedure.

The car rental rate for a VW Passat in Shanghai is 580RMB/day, it does only include 150 km with 2RMB/extra km(25RMB extra for CDW) at AVIS (you need an ID/foreign passport, International Credit Card and a valid Shanghainese drivers license when you pick up the car). If you could find a driver for 300RMB/day then you are all set. Just make sure the driver has a valid Shanghai drivers license, like I do :-)

P.S I think they also place an 10,000RMB (~$1,300) hold on your credit card in case you abscond with the vehicle. ;-) Please note that this information is only current as of last week. Your mileage may differ. :-)

[OldAsiaHand]

Shanghai Noon #2,

I live in Guangdong and drive a Honda CRV. I like the car even though it uses a bit more gas than I would prefer. There is no prestige. I think 10% is a bit conservative for the depreciation, but not that far off. However, don't forget the other costs; license, insurance, road and bridge tax, gasoline, maintenance, parking, etc. I reckon it will cost you more than you are currently paying for taxis. I spend about 1,000 RMB per month on gas alone. On the other hand, there is the convenience factor that I want. I hate taking taxis. Not only the waiting. Many taxi drivers are arrogant and try to cheat you. If you can afford a driver that is great, but parking is not that bad. You get used to it. And, if you are a laowai, you get the special treatment of parking nearly anywhere you like.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Albert Punter]

AG,

I believe Vantageman meant renting car+driver from time to time. At least this is what I meant: to rent car+driver on those special occasions only.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you.

If my memory serves me well, cost normally goes between 500 and 700. Can get to 800 in case of mini-van, like Buick.



Doesn;t work for those who live or stay in Shanghai. 500 X 30 days = 15,000 / month. = 180,000 / year

I believe this 500 / day does not includes Petrol, Carparking and Toll if you are going to outside Shanghai.

180,000 /year means basically you can own the car in 18 months.

BTW: Where did the 500/day came from? The last I got a quote for Audi A6 with a driver for long term (Min 1 week) was 1000/day. Can you let us have the company name? I can recommend that to my friends when they come into town for short period.

AG

[Ace Gallant]

AG,

I believe Vantageman meant renting car+driver from time to time. At least this is what I meant: to rent car+driver on those special occasions only.
Otherwise, I completely agree with you.

If my memory serves me well, cost normally goes between 500 and 700. Can get to 800 in case of mini-van, like Buick.

Nah.... I think you and Vantageman misunderstood, Shanghai Noon #2 was talking about owning a car long term in Shanghai. Not for short term. As I said in my post, it will not work for those who stay in Shanghai for long term.

But I agree with Vantageman, if it is 500 / day including everything, Driver, Fuel, etc etc... its a good deal for short term usage. That's why I ask for his contact.

AG
BTW: I met Shanghai Noon #2 last evening and he is stationed in Shanghai long term.

[Albert Punter]

Vantageman and myself understood well what Shanghai Noon #2 was stating.
I only said maybe Vantageman referred to renting on a day by day basis. Surely this is what I meant.
Renting car+driver for those special occasions only can be good alternative to buying car and hiring driver for long time.

Anyhow, never mind and enjoy the night .....




Nah.... I think you and Vantageman misunderstood, Shanghai Noon #2 was talking about owning a car long term in Shanghai. Not for short term. As I said in my post, it will not work for those who stay in Shanghai for long term.

But I agree with Vantageman, if it is 500 / day including everything, Driver, Fuel, etc etc... its a good deal for short term usage. That's why I ask for his contact.

AG
BTW: I met Shanghai Noon #2 last evening and he is stationed in Shanghai long term.

[Gualtier Malde]

For those who are interested still on this topic:

The best place to get tailor made suits, shirts, etc, in Shanghai is the Shanghai South Bund Soft-Spinning Material Market. (Fabric Market for short). There are three full floors of at least 50 shops each. Selling clothing materials, ready made jackets, ties, anything that you wear (even underwear but except condoms!) You can get a good bargain there. I was there just today with member “Passinthrough”. He walks in with 3900 RMB (Approx US$490) and came out with order of tailor made:

1) Overall Jacket (Cashmere) = 1000RMB
2) One set of Tuxedo (Suit and Pants) = 900 RMB
3) 4 shirts (2 X Tuxedo style, 2 X normal shirts) = 500 RMB
4) One waist length Leather Jacket (real leather) = 1200 RMB
5) 5 X Wool Scarves = 300RMB



I took AG's advice. Got one regular suit, one tuxedo: 1400RMB for both (700RMB each). Quality is good, definitely good value for the money. They are not "high end" by any means, but they are perfectly functional suits made of good quality material. Shop number 247, ask for Jenny, tell her the guy who bought one suit and one tux recommended her shop.

Also got one tuxedo shirt at shop number 191 (recommended by Jenny). 150 RMB, good workmanship, good quality heavy cotton material (not as good a material as you could get at a high end western fashion shop, but you'd pay a LOT more than 150RMB!).

As AG recommends, be sure to ask for extra buttons.

Also, you can bring a photo of a suit design you like and they will be happy to copy it.

It was a fun experience. If you are looking for good quality everyday suits, you'll have no problems with this shop.

GM

[Neuromancer]

I took AG's advice. Got one regular suit, one tuxedo: 1400RMB for both (700RMB each). Quality is good, definitely good value for the money. They are not "high end" by any means, but they are perfectly functional suits made of good quality material. Shop number 247, ask for Jenny, tell her the guy who bought one suit and one tux recommended her shop.

Also got one tuxedo shirt at shop number 191 (recommended by Jenny). 150 RMB, good workmanship, good quality heavy cotton material (not as good a material as you could get at a high end western fashion shop, but you'd pay a LOT more than 150RMB!).

As AG recommends, be sure to ask for extra buttons.

Also, you can bring a photo of a suit design you like and they will be happy to copy it.

It was a fun experience. If you are looking for good quality everyday suits, you'll have no problems with this shop.

GMA friend of mine got a wool suit for RMB400, long overcoat for 700RMB. I paid 150RMB each for four pairs of pants. Shop 290.

They did a pretty good job of copying the cut of existing pants, except for the pockets. The pocket openings were a little small (and I don't have massive hands). I've noticed this with other clothes bought in China - I guess the "standard" pocket sizes are on the small size?

The overall workmanship quality though was somewhat lacking. On two pairs, hems have already started coming apart and now have to pay 100HKD to get them fixed (obviously cheaper than flying back to Shanghai to have it done). Material seems pretty ok though. Whether the wool is fake or not, don't really care.

[Ace Gallant]

As AG recommends, be sure to ask for extra buttons.

GM


The main reason for this is; I noticed that the biggest trouble with suits, skirts or pants made in China are that they never sew on the button properly and will comes off when you least expected it. So potentially you will end up with one or two button missing after you got them back from the laundry.

GM, you forgot the mention the part where they told you they can put on any labels as you like. Hugo Boss? Polo? Giorgio Armani? 

If you guys have any problems negotiating the price at Jenny's shop, just tells her that the Beijing's Tour Agent recommended you. Normally if you are not with a Chinese speaking person, the price is higher.

AG

[Vantageman]

BTW: Where did the 500/day came from? The last I got a quote for Audi A6 with a driver for long term (Min 1 week) was 1000/day. Can you let us have the company name? I can recommend that to my friends when they come into town for short period.

AGI meant short time rentals, not long term. Visited last June and was talking with taxi driver who picked me up at Pudong airport. Short version of long conversation - he was willing to drive me around town for fee quoted, without additional charges for mileage (as long as within puxing/pudong area). He speaks only Shanghainese and a little Mandarin +8613501890613 (forgot his name). Used him for two days, no problems.

[Clandestine782]

If you were going/ have been to meet the parents of a Chinese girl that you plan on marrying, two questions:

1. What are good signs?
2. What are bad signs?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

China has prenuptial agreements -- pre nup is always a good sign.

Parents in good financial and physical health is good.

Ask who is going to take care of the parents when they get older. Another sibling who is in good financial and physical health who can take care of the parents is a good sign.

Explain that since you will be living overseas you & spouse to be will not be able to be there to care for them and it would be best to have another relative around.

Do parents have house/car in good repair, etc? If not, you may be buying it. These items are also incentives to other relatives to care for the parents as they age.

Ask parents what they think of mixed-blood grandkids.

Explain that in the U.S. the bride's parents pay for the wedding, which is a good thing for you since you are a little tight on cash now, and ask what type of ceremony they had in mind.

If you are really balsy explain that in the U.S. brides typically come into a marriage with a dowry from their parents and ask what type of dowry your bride is bringing to the table. (joke)

CJW


If you were going/ have been to meet the parents of a Chinese girl that you plan on marrying, two questions:

1. What are good signs?
2. What are bad signs?

[Clandestine782]

i was actually asking what to expect in terms of parents behavior. i speak chinese, but not well enough to detect subtle nuances of speech.

i met a girl in shenzhen, and laid it out for her:

1. we can get married here in china, and while the paperwork is being processed i'll go back to the us to drive an 18 wheeler, and that way when it comes time for her to arrive i'll have saved a very good chunk of change and have bought her a car.

2. the other purpose that the delay can serve is that i can send her us$100 per month to spend on english lessons so that she can do something when she gets here.

as for your points:

1. "ask who is going to take care of the parents when they get older. another sibling who is in good financial and physical health who can take care of the parents is a good sign." check. she has an older brother that seems to already be taking care of them. her parents are retired.

2. "ask parents what they think of mixed-blood grandkids." not open for discussion. i don't want children and have told her that we won't even open it for discussion for at least 5 years. i've not given her the long story about why i don't want children, but if it comes to that, i can so do.

3. "explain that in the u.s. the bride's parents pay for the wedding, which is a good thing for you since you are a little tight on cash now, and ask what type of ceremony they had in mind." this was discussed before i even met her parents. (she took me out to dinner with a couple of her girlfriends.) they told me that i should buy a few gifts for the relevant members of the family (alcohol for the older brother, and some expensive cigarettes for someone else and fruit for some others). the girlfriends seemed to be very nice women (one has been married for 8 years and is childless; the other was married for 2 years and has been down the divorce road), and walked me through it and treated me to dinner. it seems that we are going to go to changsha and fill out the paperwork. full stop.

the meeting with the parents consisted of exchanging these gifts and a red envelope of 999rmb (it had to be 999 and not 1000 or 998-- this is supposedly because that is a symbol of a long marriage ['jiu jiu jiu'] and it was not unreasonable).

she is not the best looking girl-- and i didn't mind this, since: 1) as i age, looks are less important; 2) asian girls are so popular in the united states that if she stayed at home while i was driving, i'd have to worry about her in bed with the neighbor. (truck drivers seem to just accept this as a fact of life-- that their wives could be fucking their best friend at any time and often say that they call when they are away from home to give the other party time to get out of bed and cleaned up.)

[Crazy Jim Wood]

sounds like you know what you're doing, sounds like the girl is just looking for a comfortable life and not to take you for any money.

i wouldn't worry about english lessons, she can get free ones when she gets here. save your money.

one friend childless and one friend divorced. hmm. i guess the girl is divorced and older or has some other problem that prevents her from getting married in china?

i guess you don't have to worry about other issues such as taking care of parents, expensive wedding, etc.

her parents will probably just be happy that someone is going to look after her.

just smile a lot and bring dad in law some duty free liquor and everything should go fine! (i was just joking about a dowry).

cjw

i was actually asking what to expect in terms of parents behavior. i speak chinese, but not well enough to detect subtle nuances of speech.

i met a girl in shenzhen, and laid it out for her:

1. we can get married here in china, and while the paperwork is being processed i'll go back to the us to drive an 18 wheeler, and that way when it comes time for her to arrive i'll have saved a very good chunk of change and have bought her a car.

2. the other purpose that the delay can serve is that i can send her us$100 per month to spend on english lessons so that she can do something when she gets here.

as for your points:

1. "ask who is going to take care of the parents when they get older. another sibling who is in good financial and physical health who can take care of the parents is a good sign." check. she has an older brother that seems to already be taking care of them. her parents are retired.

2. "ask parents what they think of mixed-blood grandkids." not open for discussion. i don't want children and have told her that we won't even open it for discussion for at least 5 years. i've not given her the long story about why i don't want children, but if it comes to that, i can so do.

3. "explain that in the u.s. the bride's parents pay for the wedding, which is a good thing for you since you are a little tight on cash now, and ask what type of ceremony they had in mind." this was discussed before i even met her parents. (she took me out to dinner with a couple of her girlfriends.) they told me that i should buy a few gifts for the relevant members of the family (alcohol for the older brother, and some expensive cigarettes for someone else and fruit for some others). the girlfriends seemed to be very nice women (one has been married for 8 years and is childless; the other was married for 2 years and has been down the divorce road), and walked me through it and treated me to dinner. it seems that we are going to go to changsha and fill out the paperwork. full stop.

the meeting with the parents consisted of exchanging these gifts and a red envelope of 999rmb (it had to be 999 and not 1000 or 998-- this is supposedly because that is a symbol of a long marriage ['jiu jiu jiu'] and it was not unreasonable).

she is not the best looking girl-- and i didn't mind this, since: 1) as i age, looks are less important; 2) asian girls are so popular in the united states that if she stayed at home while i was driving, i'd have to worry about her in bed with the neighbor. (truck drivers seem to just accept this as a fact of life-- that their wives could be fucking their best friend at any time and often say that they call when they are away from home to give the other party time to get out of bed and cleaned up.)

[Ace Gallant]

I meant short time rentals, not long term. Visited last June and was talking with taxi driver who picked me up at Pudong airport. Short version of long conversation - he was willing to drive me around town for fee quoted, without additional charges for mileage (as long as within puxing/pudong area). He speaks only Shanghainese and a little Mandarin +8613501890613 (forgot his name). Used him for two days, no problems.

Ah! I see... Ok perhaps I will pass that number to those visiting friends of mine. However the only problem is the language. Otherwise 500 / day without mileasge constain is a great deal!

Enjoy!
AG

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[Neuromancer]

You're just a nice fucker, aren't you. Laid the law down re what to do, when to do it, real nice guy. And I luv the part about giving her $100/month to study english. How about money to live on - does she hit the streets for that or does she rely on her retired parents to give her room/board while you're driving the 18 wheeler.

Damn, if I wasn't so cynical, would've thought you also included terms like no green card or passport for at least 10 years, so that she can prove her love for you. Just in case she married you for your passport :(

I thought you had migrated to some village in central java....what made you crawl out of your hole and back to China?Well, my initial reaction is that the girl he's marrying is somehow "un-marryable" in China (for whatever reason). Given most Chinese' blatant racism against black people, the fact that this girl has agreed to marry him, introduced him to the parents and the parents didn't drown themselves in the Pearl River, indicates to me that she has very few, if any alternatives. I would be surprised that any Chinese girl with alternatives would head down this path. American Chinese girls of course don't fit these guidelines. But seems like they like going out with black guys just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the parents.

So give the guy a break, he's probably doing this girl a favor. And despite whatever measures he takes to "control" her back in the states, Chinese women are extremely resourceful. I'm sure she'll find a way to drain the wallet.

[Diver98]

This is pure humor. I've been to a Walmart in Shanghai in 2005, and the first thing I noticed is how much it is like a Walmart here in the states. It had a wider selection of goods (motorbikes to flat screen tv's), a MUCH BETTER hot snack food counter, but other than that it was remarkably similar right down to the benches and store fixtures.

The Top 16 Differences in a Communist Wal-Mart

16. Long lines, empty shelves, grumpy cashiers.- even when it's not Christmastime!

15. Excess items in your cart get redistributed to people with fewer items.

14. In *this* Wal-Mart, the necks aren't the only things that are red.

13. Greeters check your Communist Party ID card before wishing you an "adequate shopping experience. "

12. Four tires made by state-run tire company: 27 yuan. One pair tennis shoes: 18 yuan. Two-seat stroller: 25-to-life in Mongolian prison.

11. Gang of Four albums always on sale.

10. Amazingly, the clothing selection is even *lamer* at the Communist Wal-Mart.

9. Returns and exchanges must be taken to the Siberia store.

8. The only cat food they carry is Mao-Mix.

7. Unlike most Wal-Marts, here you can actually find products made in your home country.

6. "All day, every day: Our >CrAzY< sale on hammers and sickles! "

5. Point-of-sale item next to the cash register: dog jerky.

4. Cameras monitor your every move. Voices boom over loudspeakers. Glum employees sell mass-manufactured inferior goods. TV propaganda portrays the corporation as working for the good of all people. Shoppers are all poor, soulless, downtrod--. Er, never mind.

3. Every third Wednesday is "Nostalgik Breadline Day. "

2. Always on clearance: infant girls.

1. If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you get up to 50 percent off your Puppy Chow.

[Clandestine782]

Well, my initial reaction is that the girl he's marrying is somehow "un-marryable" in China (for whatever reason). Given most Chinese' blatant racism against black people, the fact that this girl has agreed to marry him, introduced him to the parents and the parents didn't drown themselves in the Pearl River, indicates to me that she has very few, if any alternatives. I would be surprised that any Chinese girl with alternatives would head down this path. American Chinese girls of course don't fit these guidelines. But seems like they like going out with black guys just to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the parents.

So give the guy a break, he's probably doing this girl a favor. And despite whatever measures he takes to "control" her back in the states, Chinese women are extremely resourceful. I'm sure she'll find a way to drain the wallet. I know that being black in China hurts a bit, but it is not all that bad. If you look in a place like Guangzhou, you'll see black Africans all over the place with their wives. Also, I've had some nice looking girlfriends during the time that I taught here. It just happens that I chickened out when it was time to take the final step at those earlier times.

I met this girl through a matchmaking agency, and she is not bad looking, but not particularly good looking. There were several other choices that were a bit better looking, but something just didn't seem right at the initial meeting. As I said in earlier posts, since Asian women are VERY popular in the United States/ Western countries (and they well should be, since they are the best result of the evolutionary process) it might have been better for me to not wait for a stunner. A girl is a girl.

The point was not to "control" her, but only to make it clear from the beginning (for both of us), where the relationship was headed.

I also don't see why this girl in not marriage material. As I've noted before (which got me into all kinds of trouble on here): There is a serious sex imbalance in China, and a lot of men won't have any choice. You all have heard the lyrics from the country song "All the girls get prettier at closing time" or someone in the military say something like: "The girls in the military look like men, but after 6 months they start looking a lot better."

Here is an article on the sex imbalance: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/6346931.stm

[Sammon]

At the present time $100 converts into approx 780 RMB.
I do not know how anybody can live on that in modern China.
I live in Shenzhen most of the time although I shuttle back and forth between New York and China. The rent for cheapest apartment is 600 RMB for a shithole to 1200RMB for one bedroom decent apartment. Almost all apartments are decently furnished, so there is no need to buy basic necessities.
I breakdown the basic expenses like this,
Rent------ 1200RMB for a basic decent apartment.
food------ 1200 RMB unless you eat street food all day every day.
Even if you cook you need this much.
clothes--- 500RMB even if you buy at Dongmen.
Misc------ 600 RMB

So the total is 3500 RMB for the girl to live a decent life waiting for her prince charming to take her to America.
Next question is how the girls working lower jobs make both ends meet.
Most of employees are provided accomodation and food very cheap from the employers.
If you are looking to marry a Chinese girl and want her to live decently so that she is faithfull to you till you get her into the country you better send her more money than $100, otherwise she will make money the only way she knows how.

[Neuromancer]

At the present time $100 converts into approx 780 RMB.
I do not know how anybody can live on that in modern China.
I live in Shenzhen most of the time although I shuttle back and forth between New York and China. The rent for cheapest apartment is 600 RMB for a shithole to 1200RMB for one bedroom decent apartment. Almost all apartments are decently furnished, so there is no need to buy basic necessities.
I breakdown the basic expenses like this,
Rent------ 1200RMB for a basic decent apartment.
food------ 1200 RMB unless you eat street food all day every day.
Even if you cook you need this much.
clothes--- 500RMB even if you buy at Dongmen.
Misc------ 600 RMB

So the total is 3500 RMB for the girl to live a decent life waiting for her prince charming to take her to America.
Next question is how the girls working lower jobs make both ends meet.
Most of employees are provided accomodation and food very cheap from the employers.
If you are looking to marry a Chinese girl and want her to live decently so that she is faithfull to you till you get her into the country you better send her more money than $100, otherwise she will make money the only way she knows how.Don't forget that the girl is supposed to pay for English lessons with that $100. And with the current exchange, $100 is closer to 770RMB.

Food is likely much less than your estimate. Even in Shanghai, you can live a diet of Sheng Qian Bao for <10RMB per day. Alternative street eats are about the same price if you want to mix it up a little. So lets say 300RMB per month. Hey, I really like eating street food, though my tummy would say otherwise. Local Chinese girl likely has an iron tummy by now.

Clothes. Can hold off on that until you've made it to the American promised land and your new hubby buys you stuff from Macy's or Niemann Marcus.

Factory worker: 1000RMB + food and shelter
Office worker: 2000RMB + food and shelter
Hot chick bartender: 2000RMB - but doesn't have to sell her body
Mid-level manager: not sure, 4000RMB + food and shelter?
Hot Chinese girl who is willing to accept your $100 in exchange for a "possible" better life in the USA: PRICELESS

[Traveler1234]

So give the guy a break, he's probably doing this girl a favor. And despite whatever measures he takes to "control" her back in the states, Chinese women are extremely resourceful. I'm sure she'll find a way to drain the wallet.

You're absolutely right ... on all counts. My bet is she'll own his 18 wheeler in no time and also screwing his best friend :D

[Traveler1234]

As I've noted before (which got me into all kinds of trouble on here): There is a serious sex imbalance in China, and a lot of men won't have any choice.

There you go again: making these over generalizations. You forgot the Hep b reference ......

[Neuromancer]

You're absolutely right ... on all counts. My bet is she'll own his 18 wheeler in no time and also screwing his best friend :DDude,

Shouldn't you be doing some 141 hopping? Sure beats reading useless banter about marrying Chinese women doesn't it?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

The $100 was only for learning English.
At the present time $100 converts into approx 780 RMB.
I do not know how anybody can live on that in modern China.
I live in Shenzhen most of the time although I shuttle back and forth between New York and China. The rent for cheapest apartment is 600 RMB for a shithole to 1200RMB for one bedroom decent apartment. Almost all apartments are decently furnished, so there is no need to buy basic necessities.
I breakdown the basic expenses like this,
Rent------ 1200RMB for a basic decent apartment.
food------ 1200 RMB unless you eat street food all day every day.
Even if you cook you need this much.
clothes--- 500RMB even if you buy at Dongmen.
Misc------ 600 RMB

So the total is 3500 RMB for the girl to live a decent life waiting for her prince charming to take her to America.
Next question is how the girls working lower jobs make both ends meet.
Most of employees are provided accomodation and food very cheap from the employers.
If you are looking to marry a Chinese girl and want her to live decently so that she is faithfull to you till you get her into the country you better send her more money than $100, otherwise she will make money the only way she knows how.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

I know that being black in China hurts a bit...

Here is an article on the sex imbalance...
Of course there is prejudice against blacks, but I believe that there is quite a bit of difference in Chinese perceptions of Africans and American Blacks. Africans may not all be hustlers, but many are, and tend to give a bad name to the rest. American Blacks on the other hand are not seen as hustlers and their Chinese wives get green cards, so they are in an entirely different category.

As to the lack of women, most of China's men are undesirable, since most of them do not have decent jobs.

There are still more women than marriage worthy men, and I believe a Chinese man with a decent job has no problem finding a wife.

A divorced woman, woman who is barren, woman with a medical condition, or woman with any other problem (a wart on her nose, etc) has little chance of marrying a decent husband.

Of course, foreigners are less likely to see the woman's faults and offer comparably good income, at the very least a green card.

CJW

[DayNight]

I know that being black in China hurts a bit....

I don't really agree. It depends on the perception of the individual. You can feel embaressed being different, or you can enjoy it... You can play it one way, or another.

Keep in mind that "whites" stand out too in China. Some "whites" don't like it, some do.

But certainly, the african drug dealers and junk collectors do not really help the situation.

[Ace Gallant]

But certainly, the african drug dealers and junk collectors do not really help the situation.

In any countries, there are good guys, there are bad guys, there are rich guys and there are poor guys.

Not all African are bad guys and not all Chinese in China are good guys.

If African junk collectors annoys you, what about the Chinese beggars on the streets of China?

No reason to narrow down on one race isn’t it?

But you are right, although black guy stands out in China, there is no reason to feel embarrassed or special. If people look or stare at you… smile back at them! You are been noticed! A smile breaks a million walls!

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

Maybe.
However, I remember this issue was discussed some time ago following a specific question by a black member (sorry, I don't remember nickname now) and comments were quite on the positive side.

Then this member, and another one after, had posted good experiences.




I know that being black in China hurts a bit, ...

[Ace Gallant]

Maybe.
However, I remember this issue was discussed some time ago following a specific question by a black member (sorry, I don't remember nickname now) and comments were quite on the positive side.

Then this member, and another one after, had posted good experiences.

The member is Jedi Earth if I remembered correctly.

AG

[Rob Hay]

Do any sports bars in Shanghai carry ppv fights? I cannot miss the De La Hoya vs. Mayweather fight coming up this week. Will be flying in that day so cannot call around myself.

[Bill Lee]

Try running this program and search for the fight 30 minutes after the fight. Someone would have upload it by then.

Bill



Do any sports bars in Shanghai carry ppv fights? I cannot miss the De La Hoya vs. Mayweather fight coming up this week. Will be flying in that day so cannot call around myself.

[Weelock]

Maybe.
However, I remember this issue was discussed some time ago following a specific question by a black member (sorry, I don't remember nickname now) and comments were quite on the positive side.

Then this member, and another one after, had posted good experiences.

You are correct, it was discussed before.




I know that being black in China hurts a bit, ...



Humm, I would not say that. In Guangzhou, near the West Guangzhou Rail station, there are lots of blacks from Africa. I even noticed them shopping at the wholesale place nearby. I visit three to four small hotels looking for prices for rooms and noticed all were filled with black guys. To my surprise I and saw several young cuties with black guys walking around.

In addition, I think Beijing is trying to setup some kind of trading status with some of the Africa nations with oil, like Nigeria. Next, I think blacks in Beijing have some kind of special status in China. But overall, blacks in China are very very rare compared to whites.

[Old Mean Dog]

I know that being black in China hurts a bit, but it is not all that bad.

It does hurt to a degree. Most Chinese girls refuse to marry anyone darker than themselves. If your black, it certainly helps to be in cities, like Shenzhen, where the girls are more open-minded and receptive to many new things. The Africans in GZ are also frowned upon and if you speak to most Chinese people, they are very racist towards darker races.

Just my two cents, as the matchmaker.


Good luck back in the states,

-SZE

[The Rooster]

Well, just to follow up on a few posts back in January. I visited the Feng Shang mall (the new location of the old Xiangyang market) with my Shanghai GF, just browsing as we were waiting for a friend to arrive for dinner.

Found the Yarn Boss at 2F, stall 48. Went in, good quality cloth. Not 100% wool, but 80/20 blend wool/polyester. I actually prefer it as it's harder to stain, a bit cooler, and can be made thinner fabric for the same thread pull resistance (I'm not used to the Shanghai heat! ).

After some negotiating (this is where the Shanghai GF really helps out! ) I got a suit and two dress shirts for 1000 RMB. Order placed, deposit made.

Came back 3 days later, the shirts were done and fit perfectly. The suit was started, we did a trial fitting with some adjustments, paid the balance on the shirts (one is 100% silk, the other is thin cotton for daily/casual wear).

3 days later, came back for the complete suit. Fits great, with all the features I like. Button style, number, location, pockets inside, etc. Paid the balance, I'm a happy man.

So if you're looking for a good suit and shirt at a decent price, I'd recommend Yarn Boss. It was 800RMB for the suit, and 100RMB for each shirt (GF got a half-price on the shirts because of the total package). Also got them to agree to 4 more shirts in the future for 500RMB total. For under $20US, you can bet I'm only doing tailored shirts from now on!

[BossLove72]

It does hurt to a degree. Most Chinese girls refuse to marry anyone darker than themselves. If your black, it certainly helps to be in cities, like Shenzhen, where the girls are more open-minded and receptive to many new things. The Africans in GZ are also frowned upon and if you speak to most Chinese people, they are very racist towards darker races.As an Black American living here in China. I find that the people are very rude. It doesn't help that I'm also taller and fatter than others as well. They tend to stare and I mean open mouthed staring. People have walked into poles looking at me. I have several women come up to me and just talk, but others I have to go and start to talk to them. I don't have too many problems, but it can really grate on your nerves at times.

Just got to take it with a bit of salt.

[LittleGoomba]

An interesting article from the NYTimes on the rising number of abortions amongst the young and unmarried in China. As a serial freebie-picker-upper, there were some things of use that I learned from this article!

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/world/asia/13abortion.html?hp

[Ace Gallant]

An interesting article from the NYTimes on the rising number of abortions amongst the young and unmarried in China. As a serial freebie-picker-upper, there were some things of use that I learned from this article!

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/world/asia/13abortion.html?hp

Some Authorities in China should start educating them on birth control and the use of Condoms.

I found that a lot of Chinese are the ones guilty of bareback. And a lot of girls only use the rubbers because they are afraid of getting pregnant and not because of the STD.

Enjoy!
AG

[Santa]

An interesting article from the NYTimes on the rising number of abortions amongst the young and unmarried in China. As a serial freebie-picker-upper, there were some things of use that I learned from this article!

Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/13/world/asia/13abortion.html?hp

This story was published on the front page of today's Sunday edition. The story included a gruesome photograph of an old operating room with multiple operating tables. You cannot get more public attention than that.

I think there will be political consequences.

[Downunder96]

Educating them when they are young (primary school) for sure but then again a lot of these working girls left school before they complete primary school.
I had this girl in CP asked me whether I can do her bareback in the shower & she thinks it is quite safe!!
Downunder96


Some Authorities in China should start educating them on birth control and the use of Condoms.

I found that a lot of Chinese are the ones guilty of bareback. And a lot of girls only use the rubbers because they are afraid of getting pregnant and not because of the STD.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Educating them when they are young (primary school) for sure but then again a lot of these working girls left school before they complete primary school.
I had this girl in CP asked me whether I can do her bareback in the shower & she thinks it is quite safe!!
Downunder96

And didn't she tell you that barebacking in the showers is safe so that she will not get pregnant? :D

The problem in China is that Sex education is a taboo but things are changing. I remembered coming across several sex educational books been circulated and also the students are also shown sex educational videos in several high school.

Enjoy!
AG

[OldAsiaHand]

As I have posted before, I reckon that the incidence of BBFS among providers in China is very, very high. Whether it is lack of education or demands of their customers, I am not sure. Although most girls carry condoms with them on the job, nearly all will provide BBBJ and a big percentage will do BBFS. Some will even try to hop on without asking and the rest will agree if you just ask them. Personally, I never take the chance, but YMMV.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Downunder96]

Personally I'll never fall for this. This girl in CP (which I am still in touch via ph and sms from downunder) told me she never done bareback before & just want to see how it feels without the rubber. I did not hesitate to tell her the consequences & thus she suggested doing it in shower. I think may be CP girls are just young & naive.Not sure whether it is true, I have heard of Taiwanese customers demand BBFS most of the time!!
Downunder96


As I have posted before, I reckon that the incidence of BBFS among providers in China is very, very high. Whether it is lack of education or demands of their customers, I am not sure. Although most girls carry condoms with them on the job, nearly all will provide BBBJ and a big percentage will do BBFS. Some will even try to hop on without asking and the rest will agree if you just ask them. Personally, I never take the chance, but YMMV.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Old Mean Dog]

Educating them when they are young (primary school) for sure but then again a lot of these working girls left school before they complete primary school.
I had this girl in CP asked me whether I can do her bareback in the shower & she thinks it is quite safe!!
Downunder96

Doesn't stop with the young working girls either. My RL GF (she's 30) and did graduate HS, doesn't allow me to wear a rubber, but refuses to let me BB her in the Mish position because she says she will get pregnant this way! I felt like I was lecturing my daughter again on the "birds and the bees".

-SZE

[Santa]

I have read that a sex education class is being taught in Shanghai's Fudan University and it is the most popular class on campus.

[Tile Man4]

I have been to China 4 times. I am not a monger. Maybe I need to be one because I am having problems with the woman I have been with. I think I read that 70% of Chinese men and women find nothing wrong with cheating. 70% of USA men would love to cheat too , but we will pay with our balls if we get caught. Chinese men rule in China.

She tells me that most Chinese men demand not to wear a condom. Most Chinese women obey.

I am not talking down about Chinese men , becuase I don't like a raincoat myself. I read on Internet that only 4% of Chinese will wear condom.

I did visit a KTV in Gaungzhou and all the women there told me that I must wear condom. Sex is just a numbers game. You fuck around with many women who also fuck around with many men. We will pay. Good luck

Tile man

[Albert Punter]

...
Sex is just a numbers game. You fuck around with many women who also fuck around with many men.
...
Tile man

Tile Man,

I agree completely with you.

However, you made me curious: why a non-monger is member of this forum ?

Maybe in preparation for future ?

[Tile Man4]

Tile Man,

I agree completely with you.

However, you made me curious: why a non-monger is member of this forum ?

Maybe in preparation for future ?I will #1, get rid of my Chinese gf that I have visited China 4 times in last 2. 5 years. #2 I will live and teach English in China for 1 or 2 years. #3 I do learn from you guys on this forum.

To answer your question, I will be a half/ass monger. I just don't want to do the numbers with women. One or two good women is all I need. But, any woman that I am with. That cell phone goes off or up her ass. I am really sick of the cell phone game.

Tile man

[RCA Knight]

When Chinese men go hunting for ladies, especially amature girls, and succeed in scoring them, I would say over 90% do not use condom. I have succeeded in hunting many student girls in China, and they all seemed surprised I took out a condom. I could have done all of them bare without any objection from them. On the contrary, these normal girls are all used to rawbacks.

So watch out for these innocent little student girls, they can be more hazardous than the pros in China.

[OldAsiaHand]

I have an old friend that is a mamasan at one of the big saunas in Macau. Her girls are all Thai. She was telling me that business for her girls is way down since the influx of the Vietnamese girls. They will do BBFS whereas her Thai girls refuse.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

One or two good women is all I need.
Tile man

Tile Man,

IMHO, this does not qualify as a monger.

Just my POV.

OAH

[Ace Gallant]

Tile Man,

IMHO, this does not qualify as a monger.

Just my POV.

OAH


In my definition:

King Monger: Fucks a new girl whenever he feel like it. Snap his fingers and girls will come and line up in front of him spread their leg begging for him to fuck.
Chief Monger: Fucks at least one new girl 2 to 3 days and had fucked over 1000 girls in his life
Advance Monger: Fucks a new girl at least once a week and had fucked at least 500 girls in his life
Monger: fucks a new girl once in a while and had fucked less then 500 girls in his life.
Fucker: fucks the same girl all the time and is thinking of changing once in a while.
Wanker: Fucks a new girl once in a while (because he got lucky) and brag that he is a Chief Monger.

Just a joke and no offense intented :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Blacklisted]

In my definition:

King Monger: Fucks a new girl whenever he feel like it. Snap his fingers and girls will come and line up in front of him spread their leg begging for him to fuck.
Chief Monger: Fucks at least one new girl 2 to 3 days and had fucked over 1000 girls in his life
Advance Monger: Fucks a new girl at least once a week and had fucked at least 500 girls in his life
Monger: fucks a new girl once in a while and had fucked less then 500 girls in his life.
Fucker: fucks the same girl all the time and is thinking of changing once in a while.
Wanker: Fucks a new girl once in a while (because he got lucky) and brag that is a Chief Monger.

Just a joke and no offense intented :D

Enjoy!
AG

I guess I am almost not a monger anymore too.... Better do something about that! Let's hit the town, when does Superman Return!?????? :)

[Ace Gallant]

I guess I am almost not a monger anymore too.... Better do something about that! Let's hit the town, when does Superman Return!?????? :)

I my definition you are a monger taking a break.... ;)

Superman return soon ....

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

Tile Man,

IMHO, this does not qualify as a monger.

Just my POV.

OAHTrue, I am just a wanna-be monger. Xieixie (thank you) for you being li mao (polite). I did waste my last 2. 5 years with one Chinese woman. I think she was the monger. She is gone now and maybe I can learn from you guys.

I don't beleive in this 1000 women shit that some of these mongers talk about UNLESS if your Chinese like yourself or have a very rich western daddy. I have to work for a living and I just don't have time to travel the world.

I will retire to China soon, maybe teach a little too. So, all I read from you guys is great. I just need to learn and speak more Chinese so I don't get fucked up the ass by many of the Chinese. I was a rookie to China, but those days are over.

I will be in Nanning soon, I have heard is better to have some good Chinese male friends to show me and help me with the GAME. I know many of these mongers (from what I read) are really being fucked (I am not talking sex).

What do you think OAH? I will be in Nanning soon.

Have a good one OAH and remember. Your never too old. Get back to work on these women.

Tile man

[Albert Punter]

Oh sh..
Which category I do fall in ?
I lost count of girls I have been with.

AG, can you remember how many girls you had ?


In my definition:

King Monger: Fucks a new girl whenever he feel like it. Snap his fingers and girls will come and line up in front of him spread their leg begging for him to fuck.
Chief Monger: Fucks at least one new girl 2 to 3 days and had fucked over 1000 girls in his life
Advance Monger: Fucks a new girl at least once a week and had fucked at least 500 girls in his life
Monger: fucks a new girl once in a while and had fucked less then 500 girls in his life.
Fucker: fucks the same girl all the time and is thinking of changing once in a while.
Wanker: Fucks a new girl once in a while (because he got lucky) and brag that he is a Chief Monger.

Just a joke and no offense intented :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Oh sh..
Which category I do fall in ?
I lost count of girls I have been with.

AG, can you remember how many girls you had ?

To be honest, I lost count a few years ago when I was living in Japan.

But I do have a bad habit, I always asked and keep cell# of the girls I slept with. The last I counted the cell# I have in my database; was 1200+ but of course those exclude those that doesn't have a cell, those that gave bad service that I don't even ask for the cell, those I forgotten I've ask and those girls that I ended up fucking when I was fucking drunk that are gone by the time I came around. :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

To be honest, I lost count a few years ago when I was living in Japan.

But I do have a bad habit, I always asked and keep cell# of the girls I slept with. The last I counted the cell# I have in my database; was 1200+ but of course those exclude those that doesn't have a cell, those that gave bad service that I don't even ask for the cell, those I forgotten I've ask and those girls that I ended up fucking when I was fucking drunk that are gone by the time I came around. :D

Enjoy!

AGAce are you willing to sell me your SIMS card? You get more ass than a toilet seat in an all girls college. I will give you 1200 RMB for that SIMS card now. ha ha. Good luck brother. By the way , are you a Chinese man?

Tile Man

[OldAsiaHand]

Tile Man,

First of all let me clarify. I am a laowai and you do not have to be Chinese or rich to do over 1,000 girls. I reckon I have done over 3,000 at an average price of around say, US$30 when you figure in some (10%?) are freebies and others were ridiculously expensive. The vast majority of these girls were in developing Asian countries, China, Thailand, Vietnam. So, if you do the math it comes to only around US$250 per month over the 30 years I have been at the hobby. To me, mongering is like having a beer. Some guys like to drink, I like to fuck.

I have never been to Nanning so I cannot comment on the action there. I know many foreign English teachers in China. It is pretty easy to get a job albeit the pay is pretty low by western standards; however, enough to live a reasonable lifestyle in China.

Having a local wingman has its pros and cons. Some tend to take you to places that they think are "safe" which usually means expensive. Most local guys I know are very surprised if they find out I do BBS girls, but then again most local guys I know are business people and professionals. Chinese is helpful, but not absolutely necessary. I've seen many mongers manage in China without a word. Providers may try to rip you off, but if you are informed (RTFF), you can avoid this.

Finally, if you get down to the Guangdong area, drop me a PM. We have a great ISG network here to help you out.

Just my POV.

OAH






True, I am just a wanna-be monger. Xieixie (thank you) for you being li mao (polite). I did waste my last 2. 5 years with one Chinese woman. I think she was the monger. She is gone now and maybe I can learn from you guys.

I don't beleive in this 1000 women shit that some of these mongers talk about UNLESS if your Chinese like yourself or have a very rich western daddy. I have to work for a living and I just don't have time to travel the world.

I will retire to China soon, maybe teach a little too. So, all I read from you guys is great. I just need to learn and speak more Chinese so I don't get fucked up the ass by many of the Chinese. I was a rookie to China, but those days are over.

I will be in Nanning soon, I have heard is better to have some good Chinese male friends to show me and help me with the GAME. I know many of these mongers (from what I read) are really being fucked (I am not talking sex).

What do you think OAH? I will be in Nanning soon.

Have a good one OAH and remember. Your never too old. Get back to work on these women.

Tile man

[Ace Gallant]

Ace are you willing to sell me your SIMS card? You get more ass than a toilet seat in an all girls college. I will give you 1200 RMB for that SIMS card now. ha ha. Good luck brother. By the way , are you a Chinese man?

Tile Man

First of all, even if I give you the SIM cards (Please read carefully... it is CARDS with an "s") for free, you will not be able to use it that much. Why?

1) As I had written, I had fucked all these girls but it was in my last 10 years of mongering; (Those earlier than 10 years I do not count them and does not keep records as the cell# is not that advance for me to backup the data then).
2) a number of them would have changed their numbers by now.
3) 80% of them are in countries outside China; in Japan, Hong Kong, Philippines, Taiwan, etc....
4) 30 - 40% of them are pros.
5) of course those that I fucked in early days, I guess they must be married by now?

One SIM card can contain no more then 200 numbers. As I had mentioned, I had backup those numbers into my computer database. Besides, a number of the SIM cards, are from Teleco overseas or USA, you can't use them in China.

I am a ABC who lived 80% of my life in Asia.

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

I will be in Guangzhou soon. Maybe I will settle there , or Zhuhai , Beihai or Nanning. And , for sure I will look you up.

I can do the numbers but I am sure that you fucked up many times 30 years ago when you were a rookie. This is why I am on this site , because I do (RTFF) . No man likes to admit that he got fucked over , but I have nobody to blame but myself.

Its good to know that you have 30 years experience , many of the new guys shoud take heed from you.

Thanks again for your time and take care.

Tile man

[Tile Man4]

I was joking with you. I am sure that I will do ok on my own. Like I told OldAsiaMan, I am here to learn and read from you guys.

But , some of the guys here have exceptions to the new guys that don't have real good monger stories. I will soon.

Take good care my man and enjoy yourself.

Tile man

[Old Mean Dog]

I don't beleive in this 1000 women shit that some of these mongers talk about UNLESS if your Chinese like yourself or have a very rich western daddy. I have to work for a living and I just don't have time to travel the world.

Tile man

The girls don't have to be from China to add to the count, they can come from anywhere. Hell, even those stuckup, "what have you done for me lately", 3 kids in the house fat assed American women count, but you only get 1/2 a credit for each one....

SZE

P.S. That was a joke or was it?

[Tile Man4]

The girls don't have to be from China to add to the count, they can come from anywhere. Hell, even those stuckup, "what have you done for me lately", 3 kids in the house fat assed American women count, but you only get 1/2 a credit for each one....

SZE

P.S. That was a joke or was it?I Have been divorced for 20 years and maybe have had 30 USA women in the past 20 years. Sex 3 times a week = about 1000 fucks in past 20 years. Seeing that you give me one 1/2 credit , this is 500 fucks in the past 20 years.

Yes , I am sick of the fat asses and I am really sick of the marry me , marry me shit. If I hear , marry me and I am off to the next one. USA women don't ask for money but they do want your balls and more.

I will go to China soon for 4 or 5 years and I will belong to the 4F and 1P club.

Find them
Feel them
Fuck them
Forget them
and
Pay them a little

Then they dont own me and I don't need to listen to the marry me shit.

Good luck to you Szepat and take good care. Tile man

[Ace Gallant]

The girls don't have to be from China to add to the count, they can come from anywhere. Hell, even those stuckup, "what have you done for me lately", 3 kids in the house fat assed American women count, but you only get 1/2 a credit for each one....

SZE

P.S. That was a joke or was it?

No,

If that fat assed American Women you had done for free and she is not your wife, than she count as 1! :p

Enjoy!
AG
BTW: To you is 1 count but to her is 2 .....hahahaha....

[Ace Gallant]

Tile Man,

First of all let me clarify. I am a laowai and you do not have to be Chinese or rich to do over 1,000 girls. I reckon I have done over 3,000 at an average price of around say, US$30 when you figure in some (10%?) are freebies and others were ridiculously expensive. The vast majority of these girls were in developing Asian countries, China, Thailand, Vietnam. So, if you do the math it comes to only around US$250 per month over the 30 years I have been at the hobby. To me, mongering is like having a beer. Some guys like to drink, I like to fuck.

I have never been to Nanning so I cannot comment on the action there. I know many foreign English teachers in China. It is pretty easy to get a job albeit the pay is pretty low by western standards; however, enough to live a reasonable lifestyle in China.

Having a local wingman has its pros and cons. Some tend to take you to places that they think are "safe" which usually means expensive. Most local guys I know are very surprised if they find out I do BBS girls, but then again most local guys I know are business people and professionals. Chinese is helpful, but not absolutely necessary. I've seen many mongers manage in China without a word. Providers may try to rip you off, but if you are informed (RTFF), you can avoid this.

Finally, if you get down to the Guangdong area, drop me a PM. We have a great ISG network here to help you out.

Just my POV.

OAH

OAH.... you belong to the category: Addicted Monger! :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

I was joking with you. I am sure that I will do ok on my own. Like I told OldAsiaMan, I am here to learn and read from you guys.

But , some of the guys here have exceptions to the new guys that don't have real good monger stories. I will soon.

Take good care my man and enjoy yourself.

Tile man

Don't worry, I am sure if we cross path one day, you'll be surprise.

Although I am nasty to newbies on the board, I will make friends with just about anybody except Wankers.

Welcome to the club and enjoy Asia. (Not only China!)

BTW: Welcome to the club, I am twice divorce also.

Enjoy
AG

No-one can say that he is expert in anything. We all learn from each other.

[Tile Man4]

Don't worry, I am sure if we cross path one day, you'll be surprise.

Although I am nasty to newbies on the board, I will make friends with just about anybody except Wankers.

Welcome to the club and enjoy Asia. (Not only China!)

BTW: Welcome to the club, I am twice divorce also.

Enjoy
AG

No-one can say that he is expert in anything. We all learn from each other.I am trying to be an expert on eating DATY in Chinese, but these women think a man has NO FACE if they do this. I have studied face in China. This subject gets a little crazy.

We don't have losing face or getting face problem in USA. We say, you fuck over me and I fuck over you. That is our face in USA.

I am a little worried about eating DATY in China. If she fucked some guy the same day. I don't want to give another man a BJ by proxy. Ha ha. But I can almost always tell if my woman has been with another man on the same day that I am with her. Then, I won't eat it.

My goal is to teach every Chinese woman, to enjoy DATY and don't worry about me loosing face.

One more thing Ace, how come I hear most Chinese men don't like giving DATY?

Have a good one my man and take care.

Tile man

[Ace Gallant]

I am trying to be an expert on eating DATY in Chinese, but these women think a man has NO FACE if they do this. I have studied face in China. This subject gets a little crazy.

We don't have losing face or getting face problem in USA. We say, you fuck over me and I fuck over you. That is our face in USA.

I am a little worried about eating DATY in China. If she fucked some guy the same day. I don't want to give another man a BJ by proxy. Ha ha. But I can almost always tell if my woman has been with another man on the same day that I am with her. Then, I won't eat it.

My goal is to teach every Chinese woman, to enjoy DATY and don't worry about me loosing face.

One more thing Ace, how come I hear most Chinese men don't like giving DATY?

Have a good one my man and take care.

Tile man

I for one love DATY, but I don't do it on Pros. You never know who or what had been there in the last hour.

It is also true that Chinese man (China) do not like DATY. This is mainly because they think that they should never put their face below a girl's pussy.

All of those girls that I given DATY to, came back to me for more. All the freebies that I had fucked stuck to me not only because they love doing it with me, but also because I make sure they hit orgazm during DATY. This includes some of them who was originally term as "Stone Fish" or "Dead Fish".

Enjoy!
AG

[Eaglestar]

Show me a man who don't eat pussy and I will steal his woman

ES

[Tile Man4]

Show me a man who don't eat pussy and I will steal his woman

EsSee what Ace just said about Chinese men and DATY. I think most of the Asian countries men think like this. They don't know what they are missing.

You can steal them all Eagleman. They are waiting for you.

I forget about the O I had one hour after I had it, But, I never forget about the O that I give my woman with DATY.

Steal them all Eagle. Enjoy Tile Man

[Ace Gallant]

Show me a man who don't eat pussy and I will steal his woman

ES

Why do you even want to bother to steal a person's women? There are a lot more un-eaten female pussies in China.

However, if you are still interested in stealing.... I can tell you 80% of the men in China do not DATY. Enjoy your women stealing career....! :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

Why do you even want to bother to steal a person's women? There are a lot more un-eaten female pussies in China.

However, if you are still interested in stealing.... I can tell you 80% of the men in China do not DATY. Enjoy your women stealing career....! :D

Enjoy!

AGYou [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, because that is what I was trying to tell Eable, ha ha.

You are just more blunt and honest than me. Like I told Eagle, Chinese men don't know what they are missing.

All women need to have her O too. Maybe only 30% of women can have O with dick, but 100% can have O with DATY.

Enjoy eating,

Tile man

[Ace Gallant]

You [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, because that is what I was trying to tell Eable, ha ha.

You are just more blunt and honest than me. Like I told Eagle, Chinese men don't know what they are missing.

All women need to have her O too. Maybe only 30% of women can have O with dick, but 100% can have O with DATY.

Enjoy eating,

Tile man

Eagle... you are a good man... I've seen your Photos in the photo gallary. A good man deserve more that pussies stolen from others.

I only believe in posting information that are facts or things that I seen with my own eyes.

However I cannot be Mr. Know-it-all because China is a big country, there are many different types of pussies, different types of mongers and different types of situtations in which a monger face while hunting for their kill.

AG; known by many on the board, is am a nasty old man who will not hesitiate tell one off if I think what the person had posted is mis-leading or confusing or false information. No offense to anyone intended.

But also I will not hesitiate to stand up for any members who had contributed true information or Frank opinions but was attacked by Serial Antagonist often found on this board. Because I am often been attack by them and in fact I am receiving such attack in the Zhuhai Threads while I am writting this post.... :D

Sometimes, I wish the tell these Serial Antagonist.... "Doesn't means using the method describe by fellow members but yet you are not getting laid, means whatever had been posted by that member is Bullshit. Come back when you are grown up! And stop jerking off! get out and get a life!"

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

I love to DATY and all Chinese freebies (sorry, but don't perform on pros) I have slept with loved it too.
Surely I have never been considered man losing face by doing this. Contrarily, I gained a lot of points.

I am not surprised Chinese men (in China) don't perform DATY. I believe this is one of the sides of their less attentive attitude towards women when having sex.
We, western guys, just fill this blank, as it is one of the reasons Chinese women are so eager to sleep with us.

[Ace Gallant]

I love to DATY and all Chinese freebies (sorry, but don't perform on pros) I have slept with loved it too.
Surely I have never been considered man losing face by doing this. Contrarily, I gained a lot of points.

I am not surprised Chinese men (in China) don't perform DATY. I believe this is one of the sides of their less attentive attitude towards women when having sex.
We, western guys, just fill this blank, as it is one of the reasons Chinese women are so eager to sleep with us.

Good try Albert, but actually that is not one of the reasons why this girls are so eager to sleep with us :)

I must say, a lot of the girl do not know what they are missing by not getting DATY. But once they have it, they love it! So you can safely say, for those girls who had experience DATY, they are excited and more eager to sleep with us because they learnt to like it!

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

Obviously girls who don't know DATY don't know what they are missing.
However, maybe I didn't explain properly.
I meant that Chinese girls are curious about us, and therefore eager to explore/discover, as in some way they learn making sex with us is different than making sex with locals.

Other reasons for sleeping with us can be money or passport or ...



Good try Albert, but actually that is not one of the reasons why this girls are so eager to sleep with us :)

I must say, a lot of the girl do not know what they are missing by not getting DATY. But once they have it, they love it! So you can safely say, for those girls who had experience DATY, they are excited and more eager to sleep with us because they learnt to like it!

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Obviously girls who don't know DATY don't know what they are missing.
However, maybe I didn't explain properly.
I meant that Chinese girls are curious about us, and therefore eager to explore/discover, as in some way they learn making sex with us is different than making sex with locals.

Other reasons for sleeping with us can be money or passport or ...

Agreed!

Enjoy!
AG

[Tonyxxx001]

Well Fellas,

I have an update on my maid and my encounters with her.

I finally did the deed in the rear end but it took quite awhile to get her to let me bang her in the ass. It hurt her the first time but now she loves it and wants more and I have to say it is a so tight of an ass.

I know alot of you guys do not dare to go rear end but until you try you will not know.
My maid and I are still banging like rabbits, just can't stop doing it with her and her with me. Now she wlaks around naked 24 / 7 because I got her to dress sexier a few months ago when I bought her some sexy lingerie and high heels to wear around the apartment. She instead just stripped down to nothing, I love it. I still getting my morning blow job and she loves to swallow.

I did not realize that my maid Mei would be a nympho.

Well, I am not complaining, she is great in bed and out too!

I now have a girlfriend in Dalian that I meet in a KTV and go to see her every two weeks and I have another in Dashiqiao which is really good which I have been seeing for two months now.

Well, all of you guys I hope are busting your nuts out here in China.

Keep at it and I will update soon!

TonyXXX001

[Lex Moon]

It is true that most love DATY and will come back for more.

I think many have not experienced them from their local boyfriends.

Recently, I also got 3 freebies to try rear-end (1 Shenzhen, 1 Shanghai & 1 Dongguan). Surprisingly all of them actually like it too.

Just be gentle and I am sure the gals will enjoy!

However, I am not successful convincing them to shave.

Very few agreed and allowed me to do that.

DATY is more exciting on a newly shaved pussy.

[Ace Gallant]

Well Fellas,

I have an update on my maid and my encounters with her.

I finally did the deed in the rear end but it took quite awhile to get her to let me bang her in the ass. It hurt her the first time but now she loves it and wants more and I have to say it is a so tight of an ass.

I know alot of you guys do not dare to go rear end but until you try you will not know.
My maid and I are still banging like rabbits, just can't stop doing it with her and her with me. Now she wlaks around naked 24 / 7 because I got her to dress sexier a few months ago when I bought her some sexy lingerie and high heels to wear around the apartment. She instead just stripped down to nothing, I love it. I still getting my morning blow job and she loves to swallow.

I did not realize that my maid Mei would be a nympho.

Well, I am not complaining, she is great in bed and out too!

I now have a girlfriend in Dalian that I meet in a KTV and go to see her every two weeks and I have another in Dashiqiao which is really good which I have been seeing for two months now.

Well, all of you guys I hope are busting your nuts out here in China.

Keep at it and I will update soon!

TonyXXX001

Now you will have to start worrying about new issues with your maid. You have to watch out for jealously. Although you may tell her that there are no strings attached, like all girls, they will get jealous if they see you sleeping with your GF, other girls or associates. So try to steer clear of these.

Stay safe and Enjoy!
AG

[Tile Man4]

Now you will have to start worrying about new issues with your maid. You have to watch out for jealously. Although you may tell her that there are no strings attached, like all girls, they will get jealous if they see you sleeping with your GF, other girls or associates. So try to steer clear of these.

Stay safe and Enjoy!

AGI too , will rent one or two apartments in China, and I will need a maid. I have thought about the problem you have talked about.

I will be up-front with this maid because I know that Chinese women can be very jealous. I need my maid to shop for me , clean and cook.

I own a business here is USA and I always try not to dip my pen in company ink. But , sometimes the temptation is always there. So , if I have a jealousy problem with my maid , she will go and I will keep looking for the one that has an open mind.

Wish me luck and take care Tile Man

[Blacklisted]

By the way, one of your 'girls' from a certain Singapore restaurant recently got promoted and is looking very uppity. Now I know she must be quite the bossy one in bed!!!

Ha ha ha

[Ace Gallant]

By the way, one of your 'girls' from a certain Singapore restaurant recently got promoted and is looking very uppity. Now I know she must be quite the bossy one in bed!!!

Ha ha ha

Oh man... that smell like trouble! She might ask for more now, might ask me to lick her ass, suck her toes and swallow her pussy juice on my return!... God...! Time to dump her! Any takers? :D

Enjoy!
AG

[Dan Hawaii]

To be honest, I lost count a few years ago when I was living in Japan.

But I do have a bad habit, I always asked and keep cell# of the girls I slept with. The last I counted the cell# I have in my database; was 1200+ but of course those exclude those that doesn't have a cell, those that gave bad service that I don't even ask for the cell, those I forgotten I've ask and those girls that I ended up fucking when I was fucking drunk that are gone by the time I came around. :D

Enjoy!

AGDamn, you are "God Monger"

[Flyhere]

I hop someone can help me with determining a reasonable figure to ask for ShenZhen.

I am an independent systems consultant based in California. I am pursuing a project for a client in ShenZhen, for a few months. In the US, it's normally weekly air fare, hotel, car rental, and meals.

- For China-California, may be not weekly, but may be monthly air? business class? coach class?
- How much to budget for hotel? any corporate housing? well, for 6 months, is it even possible?
- May be people don't rent a car there and drive to work every day, so may be just taxi money.
- The US perdiem is $50-$60 a day for meals, what would be a reasonable rate to demand?

When I was in S.E.Asia before, I had a job as an expat so I had a big expat cost of living allowance. Here, would something like $US2000/month be good to ask for? Did I miss anything else? I guess mongering costs? oh and international phone expenses.

Would appreciate all comments from those from the US working in Hong Kong or China.

Thanks
vegas

[OldAsiaHand]

Vegas #2,

It is a difficult question to answer since I do not know your expectations. It depends if you want to live a totally expat lifestyle, totally local or a combination of both. Here are some of my thoughts:

Car Rental: I suggest that you do not drive in China if you can help it. It is totally different from the USA. You can either rent a car by the day with a driver (RMB500/day) or take taxis (very cheap, max 100 RMB/day depending where your project is.

Hotel: There are too many hotels to mention. Google for Ctrip or Elong online. These are the best hotel websites for China, but the company you are working for may already have contracts with certain hotels. There are also some serviced apartments depending on where you want to stay starting at about $1,000 per month for a studio.

Food: $50-60 per day is plenty.

Airfare: You may be better to buy your tickets in USA. I suggest the Asia based airlines to Hong Kong for better service. Business Class (4,000+) is very expensive compared to Coach (<1,000 sometimes). Very few international flights to SZ airport. Figure 150RMB per transit from SZ - HKIA.

Long Distance: There are SIM phone cards that are as cheap as 3 RMB/minute to the USA, but I am not up to date. It could be cheaper from a land line.

US$2,000 is not enough if you want to live a flash lifestyle in a 5 star hotel and eat there everyday, but enough if you are willing to live a bit like a local sometimes.

Just my POV.

OAH

P.S. Maybe some of the locals e.g. Sxexpat may have a better idea.












I hop someone can help me with determining a reasonable figure to ask for ShenZhen.

I am an independent systems consultant based in California. I am pursuing a project for a client in ShenZhen, for a few months. In the US, it's normally weekly air fare, hotel, car rental, and meals.

- For China-California, may be not weekly, but may be monthly air? business class? coach class?
- How much to budget for hotel? any corporate housing? well, for 6 months, is it even possible?
- May be people don't rent a car there and drive to work every day, so may be just taxi money.
- The US perdiem is $50-$60 a day for meals, what would be a reasonable rate to demand?

When I was in S.E.Asia before, I had a job as an expat so I had a big expat cost of living allowance. Here, would something like $US2000/month be good to ask for? Did I miss anything else? I guess mongering costs? oh and international phone expenses.

Would appreciate all comments from those from the US working in Hong Kong or China.

Thanks
vegas

[Levitian]

But I do have a bad habit, I always asked and keep cell# of the girls I slept with. The last I counted the cell# I have in my database; was 1200+ but of course those exclude those that doesn't have a cell, those that gave bad service that I don't even ask for the cell, those I forgotten I've ask and those girls that I ended up fucking when I was fucking drunk that are gone by the time I came around.

My goodness, Dude, I sometimes really do wonder what you are doing besides screwing around and contributing to this forum.

Levitian

[Bill Lee]

OAH is full of good info when it comes to living here. Let me throw in my 2 cents here.

I started using Skype on this trip. I paid $15.00 US and got myself a telephone number with a New York area code.

I now have my office telephone number call forwarded to my Skype telephone number. I answer the phone here with my clients calling and they don't even know that I'm overseas. Calling back home to the US is about .02 cents a minute.

The Skype account has voicemail when I'm not in to answer the phone. It also allows me to forward calls from my Skype number to my China mobile cell. This service was kind of sporadic.

I had used Vonage's Vphone on my last trip: http://www.vonage.com/device.php?type=VPHONE

This portable VOIP is great if you are traveling with a notebook or need to make calls without having to install programs into someone else's computer.

Like Skype, I had people on the other end of the line complaining about the quality of both service. Sometimes, it's choppy.

Regarding cellphone which you must have here in China. Get a GSM 900 unlock phone before you leave the states.

Regarding mongering, read the board. Depending where you are and the quality of your women, it's $5.00 US (ST at the famous Catacomb) to $105 US (LT at a typical KTV) or the average typical takeout BBS shops, about $20.00 to $25.00 US.

Later,
Bill



I hop someone can help me with determining a reasonable figure to ask for ShenZhen.

I am an independent systems consultant based in California. I am pursuing a project for a client in ShenZhen, for a few months. In the US, it's normally weekly air fare, hotel, car rental, and meals.

- For China-California, may be not weekly, but may be monthly air? business class? coach class?
- How much to budget for hotel? any corporate housing? well, for 6 months, is it even possible?
- May be people don't rent a car there and drive to work every day, so may be just taxi money.
- The US perdiem is $50-$60 a day for meals, what would be a reasonable rate to demand?

When I was in S.E.Asia before, I had a job as an expat so I had a big expat cost of living allowance. Here, would something like $US2000/month be good to ask for? Did I miss anything else? I guess mongering costs? oh and international phone expenses.

Would appreciate all comments from those from the US working in Hong Kong or China.

Thanks
vegas

[Old Mean Dog]

I hop someone can help me with determining a reasonable figure to ask for ShenZhen.

I am an independent systems consultant based in California. I am pursuing a project for a client in ShenZhen, for a few months. In the US, it's normally weekly air fare, hotel, car rental, and meals.

- For China-California, may be not weekly, but may be monthly air? business class? coach class?
- How much to budget for hotel? any corporate housing? well, for 6 months, is it even possible?
- May be people don't rent a car there and drive to work every day, so may be just taxi money.
- The US perdiem is $50-$60 a day for meals, what would be a reasonable rate to demand?

When I was in S.E.Asia before, I had a job as an expat so I had a big expat cost of living allowance. Here, would something like $US2000/month be good to ask for? Did I miss anything else? I guess mongering costs? oh and international phone expenses.

Would appreciate all comments from those from the US working in Hong Kong or China.

Thanks
vegas

I will send you a PM with my stateside phone # and email and we can talk outside of ISG.

-SZE

[Flyhere]

Thanks to the regulars for the info about ShenZhen. I used to go up to HongKong so I know not to get a car and drive around, I prefer taxis and the MRT anyway.

I used to be an expat based out of Singapore but the company paid for everything with nothing into my pocket, this time it's different. I normally eat local food at most places I go.

Skype and Vonage are good ideas, I have a Skype account but never used the phone-in and phone-out features, may use them this time. I mainly use MSN and a lifecam to talk to my wife at night.

I only have a free account here at the forum, not sure if I can use PM anymore.

Thanks again.

PS. I just tried PM'ing , see if it gets anywhere. If I do get there, I owe you guys a beer or two. Also, I changed my username from the old generic "vegas #2"

[Ace Gallant]

But I do have a bad habit, I always asked and keep cell# of the girls I slept with. The last I counted the cell# I have in my database; was 1200+ but of course those exclude those that doesn't have a cell, those that gave bad service that I don't even ask for the cell, those I forgotten I've ask and those girls that I ended up fucking when I was fucking drunk that are gone by the time I came around.

My goodness, Dude, I sometimes really do wonder what you are doing besides screwing around and contributing to this forum.

Levitian

Here is my attempt to answer your question (contributed by members of ISG via PM to me):

1st Attempt:

I am getting paid for every post I put on ISG.

My comment:

Hahahaha.... can you believe that????

2nd Attempt:

Hey, you must be fucking old, retired and fucking bored with nothing else to do beside screwing girls and posting on the ISG.

My Comment:

No... not old enough to be fully retired. Although I consider myself semi-retired. And I am not fucking bored. How can one be fucking in China? One can only be bored of fucking.... :D

3rd attempt: (The real reason)

Your business must be running well bringing enough revenue for you to screw around and leaving you enough time to post these reports.

My Comment:

Bingo!

IMHO:

In China, you will never run out of fresh pussies to screw. You just need to manage your time right and use to right method to get your girls. Whether it is freebie or Paybie, you will never run out of choice. You need to know where to look! (OF course!!! on ISG!)

Enjoy!
AG

BTW: I am not sure whether am I the only person making posting from Blackberry???

[Levitian]

Bonne Retour!

And u re using a blackberry ... now, I am jealous.

Levitian

[Ace Gallant]

Bonne Retour!

And u re using a blackberry ... now, I am jealous.

Levitian

So; are we going to start a flame war or a fight because I am using BlackBerry? Or perhaps I should even spell Blackbery (with a single "r") ....

:D

That should attract some flamers right?

Well... just on this subject... the Blackbery.... does not work well outside the big cities in China. It is also a target for girls (pros) to steal because they think that it will fetch good price.

Enjoy!
AG

[LoveAsia]

oah is full of good info when it comes to living here. let me throw in my 2 cents here.
later,
bill

i might as well throw my 2 cents here too. i have been using voip for nearly 8 years (when net2phone first came out). i have used or tried most of them and the following are the most affordable/best sound quality solutions (imho).

1) buy a vonage broadband router if you have fast upload/download speeds. (pass on the softphone, vphone). buy their wifi phone if you travel in areas that have alot of open wifi networks. the broadband router is good for office and/or home and works like a normal phone with any real phone plugged into the router.

2) skype in for when you are traveling.

3) internetcalls.com - gives you 300 minutes per week free to 50 or more countries. after 300 minutes they consider the usage abuse and start charging you per minute. a 10 euro payment will last you 6 months if you do not go over the 300 minutes weekly or use the other very cool features.

la

[Flyhere]

Thanks again for the responses from the regulars here, I was able to discuss intelligently about the costs of doing business in ShenZhen. Have not closed the deal yet, but I made notes all of the suggestions. Sorry this post has no real info of any kind, I just don't want to be rude and not acknowledge the responses. If I make it there, I'll have enough money to buy you guys a couple of beers.

Come to think of it, I do have a few questions about phone services.

From the states, my wife can use our msn camera setup for free, when we are both at home.

Skype, Yahoo and Vonage are land lines substitutes, right? so it's only for when I'm in the hotel or apartment, I'd probably get a california number with Yahoo (free) or skype ($60/yr), so people can call me from their regular phone, and try to forward it to my mobile there (Skype in 2.1 cents a minute to China)

and I still need a mobile phone.



Regarding cellphone which you must have here in China. Get a GSM 900 unlock phone before you leave the states.


Why buy in the states? unlocked phones are not readily available here and the choices are very limited, I know you can pay someone $15 or so to unlock, but it's extra time and extra work. Whereas unlocked phones are almost universal everywhere else. Can I just buy one when I get to China? Or should I get a quad-band from t-mobile (my current provider) and get a sim card there?

fly

[Bill Lee]

Most independent dealers that sell phones are authorized dealers for T-Mobile and Cingular. They are the only nationwide carriers I know that uses the GSM system in U.S. Smaller local carriers such as Cincinnati Bell also use the GSM system but I think they are on 850GSM.

Most of these dealers cater to the Chinese customers who are back and forth travelers to Asia. Their phones generally are overseas gray market phones that are unlocked. They will sell you a phone or give you a phone for the yearly contract that they will get their commission from T-Mobile or Cingular. So I got me a Motorola Ming A1200 for $40.00 that's worth from $100 to $300, depending who in eBay you buy from. I'm committed to a one year plan with T-mobile. I have brought this phone back to China and switch chip for China Mobile.

BTW, I have checked with Motorola and Nokia, even if you buy a gray market phone in the U.S., the dealer or the carrier will not warranty it. But the manufacturer will. But check it yourself for your own phone.

But your case might be different if you don't travel back and forth. Then search for the 900GSM phone you want on eBay and not sign up for a contract with a US carrier. Online stores has tons of unlocked phones, especially eBay. Local retail stores in main street America, No.

Get a phone from T-mobile only if you plan on traveling back and forth. But T-Mobile direct sale will sell you a phone that locked for 3 months before they will unlock it for you. Cingular's policy is one year.

I checked eBay and it appears to have alot of unlocked phones for sale.

If you're in China for a long period, consider getting a monthly account, instead of the pay as you go card that I buy from the convenient stores.

I can only speak about Skype and Vonage, both are VOIP service, requiring Internet service. The former has free voice transmission similar to all the IM services. But the other party you're talking with has to be using Skype software too. Similar to IM services like AOL, Yahoo, Google and MSN requires both parties to be running the same software.

I have a paid Skype account with a New York number. My cost to call back the state is 2 cent a minute. My phone acts as a landline on my laptop. I can call landline anywhere in the world. But my laptop has to be on and connected to the Internet to use the service. With the paid service, I get free voicemail and although it's not perfect, my Skype line also call forwards to my CHina cellphone too.

Vonage, another VOIP requires Internet connection too. They have a VPhone that's the size of a flashdrive that has built in software with a headset that allows you to use it from any computer that's connected to the Internet. It runs the VOIP software without installation whereas Skype requires installation. But my use of the Vphone was so so in my last trip. I think I'm better off this time with Skype.

Both Skype and Vonage paid service provide me with a local number. So I call forward my office to my Skype line and it rings in CHina and my client don't even know that I'm overseas.

Bill



Thanks again for the responses from the regulars here, I was able to discuss intelligently about the costs of doing business in ShenZhen. Have not closed the deal yet, but I made notes all of the suggestions. Sorry this post has no real info of any kind, I just don't want to be rude and not acknowledge the responses. If I make it there, I'll have enough money to buy you guys a couple of beers.

Come to think of it, I do have a few questions about phone services.

From the states, my wife can use our msn camera setup for free, when we are both at home.

Skype, Yahoo and Vonage are land lines substitutes, right? so it's only for when I'm in the hotel or apartment, I'd probably get a california number with Yahoo (free) or skype ($60/yr), so people can call me from their regular phone, and try to forward it to my mobile there (Skype in 2.1 cents a minute to China)

and I still need a mobile phone.



Why buy in the states? unlocked phones are not readily available here and the choices are very limited, I know you can pay someone $15 or so to unlock, but it's extra time and extra work. Whereas unlocked phones are almost universal everywhere else. Can I just buy one when I get to China? Or should I get a quad-band from t-mobile (my current provider) and get a sim card there?

fly

[Azn Playa]

Skype, Yahoo and Vonage are land lines substitutes, right? so it's only for when I'm in the hotel or apartment, I'd probably get a california number with Yahoo (free) or skype ($60/yr), so people can call me from their regular phone, and try to forward it to my mobile there (Skype in 2.1 cents a minute to China)

and I still need a mobile phone.If you have more than $300 to spend, a wifi-enabled phone can have Skype or another VoIP application installed, then whenever you are near a wifi-hotspot (which are becoming frequently ever-more available in China), ultra-cheap international calling is at your disposal.


Why buy in the states? unlocked phones are not readily available here and the choices are very limited, I know you can pay someone $15 or so to unlock, but it's extra time and extra work. Whereas unlocked phones are almost universal everywhere else. Can I just buy one when I get to China? Or should I get a quad-band from t-mobile (my current provider) and get a sim card there?Yes you certainly can buy any phone you desire in China and they are cheap too. Many new releases are smuggled from Hong Kong which can equate to 20-30% off the HK retail price (and occasionally even more if you can bargain with the vendor).

I would highly recommend against purchasing a Blackberry, as these are primarily (some would say solely) intended for the US market. Most Blackberry users in China realise that, as phones, they are impractical and the call charges are far too expensive in relation to other cellphone plans which are cost effective. You will often see Blackberry users trying to physically juggle it with their other phone, frantically transferring phone numbers and other information whilst trying to keep their client on the line. Far better to purchase an all-in-one device like an N61/N61i, N62, N95 or a recent O2 release which can do it all and still achieve affordable call costs.

If anyone is actually looking to purchase a Blackberry, I have several colleagues who are eagerly wishing to sell them. Essentially, they are frustrated with the lack of performance via insufficient RAM and the outlandish monthly plans that Blackberry offers to its Chinese customers. You need to consider the range of user-friendly devices which render the Blackberry outdated and obsolete in the CBDs and board rooms of modern Chinese cities.

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[Fast Eddie 48]

To Bill,

I just contact T-MOBILE to get another cell phone because my old back up monger phone is stolen at Zhu Hai a few week ago, I ask for the Nokia n73 is not avalible and that is a 395 usd from Nokia, so they offer me the Motorola s195 for free with a one yr renewal in US T mobile will offer you a free phone every 2 yr, this is my 5 phone and I only have to paid for one of them 4 yr ago for 20 usd.

I think in China phone serivce is much cheaper you can buy a China mobile sim card for only 50 rmb but you need to recharge every 6 month to save your number.

Fast Eddie 48

[Mock A Bee]

I would highly recommend against purchasing a Blackberry, as these are primarily (some would say solely) intended for the US market. Most Blackberry users in China realise that, as phones, they are impractical and the call charges are far too expensive in relation to other cellphone plans which are cost effective. You will often see Blackberry users trying to physically juggle it with their other phone, frantically transferring phone numbers and other information whilst trying to keep their client on the line. Far better to purchase an all-in-one device like an N61/N61i, N62, N95 or a recent O2 release which can do it all and still achieve affordable call costs.


The primary use for a Blackberry is for instant email communication not for phone use.

However I know some people with a US based Blackberry swap in a China mobile chip and use it as a phone.

It is a very good device for some people, not only that sometimes it is a corporate standard and some people have no choice. However a Blackberry in China on the contrary is a great device. I know some people who use it with a global roaming package via HK and live in China and it works great globally.

The all in one Nokia devices you mention are not necessarily the best choice. Some models are damn slow! and are a pain in the ass to use. The Symbian software that Nokia uses is cumbersome and not as intuitive as the Nokia designed proprietary software. I know because I use to use a N70, which uses symbian software, until I lost it. I have met plenty of people who complain about their new Nokia phones.

Each user has different needs and different ways of using a device.

MAB

[Bill Lee]

Their deals are not as good as the independent dealers in your local Chinatowns. Like I got the Motorola's MotoMing A1200 for $40.00 with one year contract unlocked through local Chinese authorized T-Mobile dealer.

Bill



To Bill,

I just contact T-MOBILE to get another cell phone because my old back up monger phone is stolen at Zhu Hai a few week ago, I ask for the Nokia n73 is not avalible and that is a 395 usd from Nokia, so they offer me the Motorola s195 for free with a one yr renewal in US T mobile will offer you a free phone every 2 yr, this is my 5 phone and I only have to paid for one of them 4 yr ago for 20 usd.

I think in China phone serivce is much cheaper you can buy a China mobile sim card for only 50 rmb but you need to recharge every 6 month to save your number.

Fast Eddie 48

[Bill Lee]

I couldn't find Motorola s195 phone in a Google and eBay search. You sure about the model number?

Bill



To Bill,

I just contact T-MOBILE to get another cell phone because my old back up monger phone is stolen at Zhu Hai a few week ago, I ask for the Nokia n73 is not avalible and that is a 395 usd from Nokia, so they offer me the Motorola s195 for free with a one yr renewal in US T mobile will offer you a free phone every 2 yr, this is my 5 phone and I only have to paid for one of them 4 yr ago for 20 usd.

I think in China phone serivce is much cheaper you can buy a China mobile sim card for only 50 rmb but you need to recharge every 6 month to save your number.

Fast Eddie 48

[Azn Playa]

the primary use for a blackberry is for instant email communication not for phone use. however i know some people with a us based blackberry swap in a china mobile chip and use it as a phone.
as do i, they are all trying to sell and upgrade to other phones.


it is a very good device for some people, not only that sometimes it is a corporate standard and some people have no choice. however a blackberry in china on the contrary is a great device. i know some people who use it with a global roaming package via hk and live in china and it works great globally.
of course it works. that is not the issue.

relative to other choices, it is extrememly expensive to regularly use it as a phone on that package.


the all in one nokia devices you mention are not necessarily the best choice. some models are damn slow! and are a pain in the ass to use. the symbian software that nokia uses is cumbersome and not as intuitive as the nokia designed proprietary software. i know because i use to use a n70, which uses symbian software, until i lost it. i have met plenty of people who complain about their new nokia phones.probably a good thing you lost it.

an n70 is years old and i dont know anyone that would risk being 'mocked' for still using one today.

some models are slow? probably just the one's you have been able to afford.

re-read my post, note the models listed and check their specs online.

they have set the new industry standard in speed, functionality and versatility.
but they might not fit everyone's budget.

[Csun213]

I think in China phone serivce is much cheaper you can buy a China mobile sim card for only 50 rmb but you need to recharge every 6 month to save your number.

Fast Eddie 48

I agree with you however you can have more than a 6 month time frame. Everytime you purchase a 100rmb recharge, the time is increased by 6 months up to a maximum of 2 and half years. Right now my China cellphone time is good until 2009.

[Fast Eddie 48]

He probably means V195.To Bill Lee,

Yes is Motorola v195 the one that was stolen is v180 is about 3 yr old v195 is better screen and better battery life.

Fast eddie 48

[Moody]

I couldn't find Motorola s195 phone in a Google and eBay search. You sure about the model number?

BillHe probably meant the V195s as shown on T-Mobile's page:

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/Detail.aspx?device=dafeaed5-9603-440b-8bdc-c22d9069581b

[Admin]

Greetings everyone,

In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Azn Playa his own thread titled "Azn Playa in China".

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[Blacklisted]

A wise decision.

[Tonyxxx001]

Hey my fellow members,

I been using Skype lately and been hooking up with girls very easily in my local area of Shenyang. Just this past week I met a cute 23 yr. old university student. She will be graduating end of month and she was planning to go back to her hometown in the south but quickly changed her mind when she met me.

Now she is trying to find a job so she can stay so she can see me often.

Well, I told her do what you like but you need to take care of my sexual needs if you want to be with me and she said no problem.

She is petite but has a great body and well be banging the hell out of her for mon ths to cum!

Later guys, so use Skype it's free! How can you go wrong.

Download it at

http://www.skype.com

[Lex Moon]

Now she is trying to find a job so she can stay so she can see me often.Together with your maid too?

[Ohmygosh]

Hey guys,

I was wondering which language software programs you would recommend in picking up better Mandarin. I'm debating between Pimsleur or Fluenz, both $300-400 investments. Are there others that you might suggest?

[OldAsiaHand]

Ohmygosh,

I suggest a Chinese girlfriend. You can learn a lot of Mandarin in the bedroom and get laid at the same time.

OAH


Hey guys,

I was wondering which language software programs you would recommend in picking up better Mandarin. I'm debating between Pimsleur or Fluenz, both $300-400 investments. Are there others that you might suggest?

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Hey guys,

I was wondering which language software programs you would recommend in picking up better Mandarin. I'm debating between Pimsleur or Fluenz, both $300-400 investments. Are there others that you might suggest?
I've hear a lot about Pimsleur and they are solid in many other languages. I am not familiar with Fluenz.
CJW

[Santa]

Pimsleur can be downloaded for free. First go to bittorent.com and then demonizer.com

Pimsleur is ok, but certainly not worth the very high price they are asking.
I don't know about Fluenz.

Modern Chinese, A Basic Course. One paperback book with 3 audio cassettes. It's available at most large bookshops and only costs $20.

Making Out in Chinese, $8.

Oxford Starter Chinese Dictionary, $16.

Lonely Planet Chinese Phrasebook, $10.

Then try OAH's recommendation. A Living Chinese Dictionary, comes with tits. Priceless. Trying to learn chinese from the hookers doesn't work very well. They just want to do the deed, grab the money and run.

[Old Mean Dog]

Pimsleur can be downloaded for free. First go to bittorent.com and then demonizer.com

Pimsleur is ok, but certainly not worth the very high price they are asking.
I don't know about Fluenz.

Modern Chinese, A Basic Course. One paperback book with 3 audio cassettes. It's available at most large bookshops and only costs $20.

Making Out in Chinese, $8.

Oxford Starter Chinese Dictionary, $16.

Lonely Planet Chinese Phrasebook, $10.

Then try OAH's recommendation. A Living Chinese Dictionary, comes with tits. Priceless. Trying to learn chinese from the hookers doesn't work very well. They just want to do the deed, grab the money and run.

The best I have come across is called Speak E-Z Chinese written by a laowai and his Chinese wife up in Qingdao. Very simple, very easy and loads of good stuff. You can buy the book at Amazon, Barnes and Nobles or from their website: www.cathaycafe.com

-SZE

[Boss]

Try http://www.chinesepod.com

It can be free or paid, depending on how much studying you want to do. I started on Pimsleur, which is great for the casual traveler. However, if you really want to learn how to speak, chinesepod.com is a better choice.



Hey guys,

I was wondering which language software programs you would recommend in picking up better Mandarin. I'm debating between Pimsleur or Fluenz, both $300-400 investments. Are there others that you might suggest?

[Blacklisted]

Chinese pod is the best. If you are only in it for fun, just grab a few lessons worth in the 2 week introductory period and try them out for a while, then sign up later if you like it.

[Ohmygosh]

Just wanted to thank all you guys for the good tidbits about language programs.

A oral mandarin speaking tutor is of course assumed :)

[Tile Man4]

Just wanted to thank all you guys for the good tidbits about language programs.

A oral mandarin speaking tutor is of course assumed :)Try this too , its free. I learn better from voice sounds. Maybe this will help you too.

http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php

Good luck tile man

[Tile Man4]

Some of my friends here in New England have ask me what is the cost of living index difference between the RMB and USA. This is no an easy questions.

If I bought gas in China everyday , the index would be the same. Gas in USA and China is about the same. If I bought a pack of smokes , I know the index is about 10x . $5.00 in USA and .50 cents in China. I know the conversion rate is about 8 rmb to the dollar, but its more complicated than 8 to 1.

I told them that food is cheap , Rent for apartment? (not sure). Maid? (not sure). I did tell them both that they should have a maid. Some of the guys want to retire early and will retire from $1000 to $2000 per months. I told them that I would ask the experts who live there.

I planned on being in China (to live there) around July 1st , but I am still putting out fires with my business. Any input from any of you experts would be appreciated. Just the basics , not the party animals. I do know that the every night party activity can cost. Thank You

Tile man

[Bnlee2]

Some of my friends here in New England have ask me what is the cost of living index difference between the RMB and USA. This is no an easy questions.

If I bought gas in China everyday , the index would be the same. Gas in USA and China is about the same. If I bought a pack of smokes , I know the index is about 10x . $5.00 in USA and .50 cents in China. I know the conversion rate is about 8 rmb to the dollar, but its more complicated than 8 to 1.

Tile man

With gas on the west coast (USA) around $3.70 per gallon, china is much cheaper at around $2.25/gal (when litres are converted to gallon).

[Nice Guy 99]

With gas on the west coast (USA) around $3.70 per gallon, china is much cheaper at around $2.25/gal (when litres are converted to gallon).

Huh? $3.70??? Try $2.90.

[Santa]

Some of my friends here in New England have ask me what is the cost of living index difference between the RMB and USA. This is no an easy questions.



When trying to estimate the "cost of living in China" I think we should not do an RMB to US$ conversion.

I try to forget about the "exchange rate of the dollar". Try to think about the wages for the average chinese city worker and then decide what something is worth.

So let's say you rent a hooker for 750 rmb. You calculate that you paid $100US and then think, wow, that was cheap. But that is not the correct way to look at the cost, because you are not in the USA. Instead, you should think more in terms of local cost. How long does it take an average chinese worker, in your chinese city, to earn 750rmb?

Again, let's say you buy a drink at a Seven-Eleven store for 5 rmb. Do not calculate how much that would be in US dollars, and then think that drink is cheap. Instead, try to think of how long it would take a local guy to earn 5 rmb. Now is it cheap?

[Arctic1]

Some of my friends here in New England have ask me what is the cost of living index difference between the RMB and USA. This is no an easy questions....
Tile man

It is an extraordinarily complex question. The World Bank has a problem with it.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/DATASTATISTICS/0,,contentMDK:20394890~menuPK:1192714~pagePK:64133150~piPK:64133175~theSitePK:239419,00.html

Plug China into this URL and look at "PPP conversion factor to official exchange rate ratio".

[Old Mean Dog]

When trying to estimate the "cost of living in China" I think we should not do an RMB to US$ conversion.

I try to forget about the "exchange rate of the dollar". Try to think about the wages for the average chinese city worker and then decide what something is worth.

So let's say you rent a hooker for 750 rmb. You calculate that you paid $100US and then think, wow, that was cheap. But that is not the correct way to look at the cost, because you are not in the USA. Instead, you should think more in terms of local cost. How long does it take an average chinese worker, in your chinese city, to earn 750rmb?

Again, let's say you buy a drink at a Seven-Eleven store for 5 rmb. Do not calculate how much that would be in US dollars, and then think that drink is cheap. Instead, try to think of how long it would take a local guy to earn 5 rmb. Now is it cheap?

Spot on. It's like telling someone back in the states you only make $1,000 USD a month here(12k a year), they will laugh and think you have sunk to new lows, but let's look at what 7,620 rmb a month will get you:

1. A very nice 2 br/1 ba apartment in Shenzhen 3500
2. All apartment bills paid to include internet, cable tv and mobile phone 1500
3. A maid 6 days a week who cooks you 1 meal each day and buys daily stuff 1000

Still leaving you 1,620 rmb for transportation, dining out, shopping etc. So even a minimual salary in US standards is quite a lot here.

-SZE

[Moody]

It won't be easy to live comfortably by western standards on $1000 a month. You can probably live ok on $2000 a month. My current monthly expenses are more or less as follows:

Rent: 3000RMB a month in Futian (kinda small though, I'll be moving to a bigger place soon)

Electricity:500RMB

Cable TV and Internet: 150RMB

Those fixed costs are pretty small, but I tend to spend a lot of money going out to eat and stuff. I probably average about 200RMB maybe more, on food per day. Most people probably don't spend that much on food, but I get sick of Chinese food pretty quick and want to eat out a lot. I also stock my fridge with stuff like cheese, chocolates, Red Bull and I buy a lot of Doritos. If you add those up, it comes out to about 10,000RMB. If you have $2000 a month allowance, you have about 5,000RMB to spend on entertainment which, unless you're a regular KTV guy, is plenty.

[Tile Man4]

Spot on. It's like telling someone back in the states you only make $1,000 USD a month here(12k a year), they will laugh and think you have sunk to new lows, but let's look at what 7,620 rmb a month will get you:

1. A very nice 2 br/1 ba apartment in Shenzhen 3500
2. All apartment bills paid to include internet, cable tv and mobile phone 1500
3. A maid 6 days a week who cooks you 1 meal each day and buys daily stuff 1000

Still leaving you 1,620 rmb for transportation, dining out, shopping etc. So even a minimual salary in US standards is quite a lot here.

-SZEMy friend is a 46 year old woman , school teacher, but schools here get their own retirement. She wants to help young farmer Chinese kids to learn Chinese for free. I am sure she wants to live the quite life and also help people.

I really don't know her retirement amount , so this will help her. I told her that she can also make money by teaching in China. I think this will help her.

Thank you,

Tile man

[Mock A Bee]

When trying to estimate the "cost of living in China" I think we should not do an RMB to US$ conversion.

I try to forget about the "exchange rate of the dollar". Try to think about the wages for the average chinese city worker and then decide what something is worth.

So let's say you rent a hooker for 750 rmb. You calculate that you paid $100US and then think, wow, that was cheap. But that is not the correct way to look at the cost, because you are not in the USA. Instead, you should think more in terms of local cost. How long does it take an average chinese worker, in your chinese city, to earn 750rmb?

Again, let's say you buy a drink at a Seven-Eleven store for 5 rmb. Do not calculate how much that would be in US dollars, and then think that drink is cheap. Instead, try to think of how long it would take a local guy to earn 5 rmb. Now is it cheap?

I agree, you should never think of costs relative to your home country. This is a typical newbie expat mistake. I admit I did this when I was new to China.

However one thing you should not do is tip when it is not appropriate.

Ok, I know a lot of guys on the Forum like to tip their service provider. This is full of debate and I am not about to start that issue up again.

However, tipping in restaurants and other places where you don't need to tip is just plain stupid.

I was just in Italy recently, the local Italian people don't tip, so just because you are American and tip in America doesn't mean you should do so in Italy. This bugs the shit out of me when arrogant Americans do this.

You don't tip in Australia either, or the rest of Europe.

Why do Americans do this? It is so F******g stupid and arrogant.

MAB

[Albert Punter]

Talking about restaurants, I believe that you have to tip in US because waiters get a minimum salary and big part of money they make is based on tips.

This is just their system, I don't think it is a question of arrogance.

In other countries a service charge is added on top of final bill you get. So, no need to add a tip.

However, let me say that a tip is always very welcome, even in Italy, or other countries in Europe or Latin America.



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Why do Americans do this? It is so F******g stupid and arrogant.

MAB

[Santa]

Why do Americans do this? It is so F******g stupid and arrogant.

MAB

Americans tip because they feel obligated to do so, not because they want to. Tipping has evolved into the cultural norm, if you don't tip you are considered to be a stingy bastard.

I was recently on a touristy bus tour in LA. The bus driver told everybody that he expected a 15% gratuity. On the desk in my room was a card to remind guests that the cleaning staff expected a tip. The hotel bartender had big tip jugs on the bar, right in your face. It had some fives in it, so as to suggest how much was expected.

[Moody]

My friend is a 46 year old woman , school teacher, but schools here get their own retirement. She wants to help young farmer Chinese kids to learn Chinese for free. I am sure she wants to live the quite life and also help people.

I really don't know her retirement amount , so this will help her. I told her that she can also make money by teaching in China. I think this will help her.

Thank you,

Tile man

I'll presume you meant to say she wants to teach English for free since the Chinese farmer kids probably already know Chinese. Anyway, if she's thinking about living in the countryside (and by that I presume she means deep country in some place like Guangxi, Dongbei, Yunnan or Inner Mongolia).... that will throw a lot of pricing things out of whack. She can probably find apartments in small towns for like 100-500RMB a month. That is if she can find one for rent, she might have to buy a place. That shouldn't be too big a deal though since an apartment in those areas would cost about 10,000-20,000RMB, maybe even less. She can probably eat out every night for like 5-10RMB. In those kinds of places, $1000 will go VERY far. In places like that, there's actually no places to even spend $1000 a month. She can probably make it on $100 a month or less if she buys a place. In deep rural areas, typical monthly wage is like 200RMB. Contrast that to something like 5000RMB a month in Shenzhen and 6500RMB a month in Guangzhou.

[Softy]

Talking about restaurants, I believe that you have to tip in US because waiters get a minimum salary and big part of money they make is based on tips.

This is just their system, I don't think it is a question of arrogance.

In other countries a service charge is added on top of final bill you get. So, no need to add a tip.

However, let me say that a tip is always very welcome, even in Italy, or other countries in Europe or Latin America.Albert, this is true. Service providers depend on tips for the bulk of their income in the US. Rather than being an arrogant system, it is quite rational as it aligns the incentives of service providers with those buying the service and it reduces the overhead of providing service by the establishment.

That logic of incentives also extends in areas where tipping is not customary. Even in cases where a service charge is added to the bill, a well placed tip can improve ones service anywhere in the world. Assuming that you are going to be a repeat customer. At my regular hotel in Beilun/Ningbo for instance. A few 5 rmb tips over time has resulted in 5 star service in a 4 star hotel, at a total cost of probably 200 rmb over the past year.

In the case of women, I am completely against tipping unless you really want to see the woman again. Even then, one must be careful not to overtip. I agree with the general consensus on the forum that overpaying is the best way to screw up a market, and there is no need to repeat the rationale except to add one thing. Bascially, your provider is already working on a tip when they go with you. The incentives are basically aligned properly anyway; there is no need to add to them.

Finally, on tipping in general in China, I will say that it is more common than many realize. If you travel or go out with your business partners in China, you will often see substantial sums of money provided to various people (mammas, hosts/hostesses, etc) to get the best restaurant room, best KTV girl selection, rare fish to eat and more. To ignore this simple system of incentives is to ignore reality. I can add to the examples of this, but I think most can figure it out.

As far as Americans overtipping in general, there is a cultural norm that dictates that behavior which is: when in doubt about the local custom, tip. In other words, someone may get pissed for stiffing them on a tip, but will never turn down or react negatively or provide WORSE service for a few extra chien. If one wished to characterize this behavior negatively, it is more likely the opposite of arrogance. More like insecurity.

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[Tile Man4]

I'll presume you meant to say she wants to teach Chinese farmer kids English for free since they probably already know Chinese. Anyway, if she's thinking about living in the country side (and by that I presume she means deep country in some place like Guangxi, Dongbei, Yunnan or Inner Mongolia).... that will throw a lot of pricing things out of whack. She can probably find apartments in small towns for like 100-500RMB a month. She can probably eat out every night for like 5-10RMB. In those kinds of places, $1000 will go VERY far. In places like that, there's actually no places to even spend $1000 a month. In deep rural areas, typical monthly wage is like 200RMB a month. Contrast that to something like 5000RMB a month in Shenzhen and 6500RMB a month in Guangzhou.I meant English. I did tell her about all the places you did mention except Mongolia. I have done extensive studies on every Provience in China. I am very shocked when I see the salaries of Chinese people based on the GDP.

$100 to $200 max and many are close to the $100 per month.

My Chinese friend who married a USA man tells me that her Mom , Dad and Sister live OK on $200 usd every month. They live in Guangxi. I do know that the Guangzhou rea is booming now and more expensive. I even read that the Chinese Govt did freeze some wages in this area, but not the WG's wages haha.

I myself like Beihai , only because of the beach. My life long dream was to be a beach bum. I do want to export Granite from China , so that may force me to live in Fujian where all the Granite is. I see Fujian has many nice beach areas. Thank you for your information.

Tile man

[Bnlee2]

Huh? $3.70??? Try $2.90.

have not seen any prices below that for a while. come to the west coast and check out the prices..

[Mock A Bee]

Talking about restaurants, I believe that you have to tip in US because waiters get a minimum salary and big part of money they make is based on tips.

This is just their system, I don't think it is a question of arrogance.

In other countries a service charge is added on top of final bill you get. So, no need to add a tip.

However, let me say that a tip is always very welcome, even in Italy, or other countries in Europe or Latin America.

Yes, that is the system in the US. Fair or not that is the way it is, and yes, Americans are brainwashed into thinking they should tip out of obligation.

However, Americans for some reason carry over this custom to other countries without first asking what the custom is.

I visited Australia a few months ago and made it a point to ask someone from Australia what the custom is for tipping. I do the same for all countries I visit if I don't know the custom.

Americans take a hint, and do us all a favor: ask what the custom is first and "When in Rome... Do as the Romans"!

MAB

[Mock A Bee]

Finally, on tipping in general in China, I will say that it is more common than many realize. If you travel or go out with your business partners in China, you will often see substantial sums of money provided to various people (mammas, hosts/hostesses, etc) to get the best restaurant room, best KTV girl selection, rare fish to eat and more. To ignore this simple system of incentives is to ignore reality. I can add to the examples of this, but I think most can figure it out.

As far as Americans overtipping in general, there is a cultural norm that dictates that behavior which is: when in doubt about the local custom, tip. In other words, someone may get pissed for stiffing them on a tip, but will never turn down or react negatively or provide WORSE service for a few extra chien. If one wished to characterize this behavior negatively, it is more likely the opposite of arrogance. More like insecurity.


I think tipping in China now is a Capitalist custom used to get more money out of customers.

Not that many years ago, tipping in China was considered Class-ist and Bourgeoisie behavior not appropriate for a proper Class-less Communist Society. Not long ago, I was with someone in Beijing who tried to tip at the restaurant and the girl promptly gave the money back and told us she could get fired for accepting tips.

KTV's depend on tips because the KTV management gets away with paying less in salary, pocketing even more money than they already do on the 2,500rmb bottles of fake whisky.

I was in Thailand recently and the service providers were badgering me heavily for a tip yelling "TIP! TIP!". They wanted extra money, not reward for their "impeccable service".

However I agree that in the US tipping is a good way to encourage better service, and punish lazy and stupid wait staff.

Tipping will continue to be a topic of hot debate, right up there with religion and politics.

Whatever you think about tipping, I just wish people would stop overpaying! and only pay what the accepted going rate is. Not more, no less.

MAB

[Albert Punter]

Agreed 100% on tipping in China.

Also, first time I visited the Middle Kingdom was in 1991 and I can report similar experiences about tip getting refused.


I think tipping in China now is a Capitalist custom used to get more money out of customers.

Not that many years ago, tipping in China was considered Class-ist and Bourgeoisie behavior not appropriate for a proper Class-less Communist Society. Not long ago, I was with someone in Beijing who tried to tip at the restaurant and the girl promptly gave the money back and told us she could get fired for accepting tips.
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MAB

[Mock A Bee]

Anyone have trouble getting YouPorn in China?
Or is the site down?

I used to get it no problem, now it does not come up.

Anyone know about this?

MAB

[Bill Lee]

No problem at the Miraton in CP.

Bill ;)


Anyone have trouble getting YouPorn in China?
Or is the site down?

I used to get it no problem, now it does not come up.

Anyone know about this?

MAB

[OldAsiaHand]

Tile Man,

US$1,000 is plenty money to live a relatively comfortable "local" lifestyle in most secondary cities in China. She could even get by in the major cities, but it would be tight. After all, this is all many English teachers are earning. But, if she wants to live a western/expat lifestyle it is a completely different story. High-end expat housing is very, very expensive and imported products are subject to very high import duties. For example, a normal jar of imported pickles costs over US$3.00 and 8 burrito flat tortillas costs over US$4.00.

Just my POV.

OAH



I meant English. I did tell her about all the places you did mention except Mongolia. I have done extensive studies on every Provience in China. I am very shocked when I see the salaries of Chinese people based on the GDP.

$100 to $200 max and many are close to the $100 per month.

My Chinese friend who married a USA man tells me that her Mom , Dad and Sister live OK on $200 usd every month. They live in Guangxi. I do know that the Guangzhou rea is booming now and more expensive. I even read that the Chinese Govt did freeze some wages in this area, but not the WG's wages haha.

I myself like Beihai , only because of the beach. My life long dream was to be a beach bum. I do want to export Granite from China , so that may force me to live in Fujian where all the Granite is. I see Fujian has many nice beach areas. Thank you for your information.

Tile man

[Crazier]

Ohmygosh,

I suggest a Chinese girlfriend. You can learn a lot of Mandarin in the bedroom and get laid at the same time.

OAH


Believe me, OAH is spot on here! Whether i'ts China or Thailand or other difficult language place, hook up with your walking tutor who speaks not a work of English and you will learn so fast you will amaze yourself.

Another good option is to go with your electronic translator / dictionary for foot / body massage (clean type) and spend two hours each day relaxing and learning the language. Its almost as good as the GF if you pick an "inspiring" masseuse.

[Bonzo1]

Anyone have trouble getting YouPorn in China?
Or is the site down?

I used to get it no problem, now it does not come up.

Anyone know about this?

MAB

I have the same situation as you, MAB -- no YouPorn in Shanghai recently.

[Bonzo1]

Yes, that is the system in the US. Fair or not that is the way it is, and yes, Americans are brainwashed into thinking they should tip out of obligation.

However, Americans for some reason carry over this custom to other countries without first asking what the custom is.

I visited Australia a few months ago and made it a point to ask someone from Australia what the custom is for tipping. I do the same for all countries I visit if I don't know the custom.

Americans take a hint, and do us all a favor: ask what the custom is first and "When in Rome... Do as the Romans"!

MAB


You are wrong about this.

I'm American. Every American I know, one of the first things they ask when they travel anywhere is what is the tipping culture. Of course it can also be very hard to adjust when you've been doing things a certain way for your entire life. It's a cultural difference most often, nothing else.

Anyway, even if an American (or anyone else) tips in China where we would not, why should it bother us? I can see how some cultural habits can be irritating, but not this one.

[Tile Man4]

I have the same situation as you, MAB -- no YouPorn in Shanghai recently.GOOGLES: I hope you'll find some time to visit your friendly local net bars and get some tips from the Chinese kids on bypassing China's swiss-cheese firewall:

http://www.baidu.cn/s?wd=Proxy+Hunter

I just found this on Google. The above baidu search helps Chinese kids to bypass the blocks. The search is in Chinese , so I hope you have a converter or a Chinese person who can help you read this.

Googles said that China and other countries do block youtube from time to time.

Good luck,

Tile man

[Sammy_T]

...In other countries a service charge is added on top of final bill you get. So, no need to add a tip.
I know for fact that if there is a service charge added to your check in China (typically 15%) this money is going to the establisment, not the wait staff. The same thing is true if you leave a tip on a credit card receipt. If you truly want to reward service in China you need to give cash directly to the wait staff or bartender.

Yes, Sammy DOES tip in Beijing, but not in smaller towns outside of Beijing. I have found that just like everywhere else in the world that a tip placed in the right hands will ensure that you are taken care of above and beyond the normal call of service. That is what I want - and I am willing to pay a little extra for it. Honestly I only tip in places I frequent, like the Pig or Maggie's. I do not tip after every drink, but the staff at these establishments know that I will tip on occasion and take care of me.

On the down side, I agree that open, broad tipping can have a negative impact on those that do not tip - all of the service will go to those that do, thus requiring everyone to tip just to get average service. This is the current situation in the USA - last time I was home I ate at a restaurant where the service was the worst I ever had. I still felt obligated to tip because it was not my wait staffs fault - she had multiple tables assigned to her during the dinner rush and was just over worked. This is a management problem, not a service problem.

Sammy

[Mock A Bee]

You are wrong about this.

I'm American. Every American I know, one of the first things they ask when they travel anywhere is what is the tipping culture. Of course it can also be very hard to adjust when you've been doing things a certain way for your entire life. It's a cultural difference most often, nothing else.

Anyway, even if an American (or anyone else) tips in China where we would not, why should it bother us? I can see how some cultural habits can be irritating, but not this one.

Uhh... you know what? I am American too.

No, of course not EVERY American tips, whether they need to or not. Of course not!

I have encountered WAY too many Americans in China who don't bother to find out the custom first.

I think your friends and acquaintances are not the norm.

As per Sammy T, yes, the tips not given directly to a service provider in cash, whether in a restaurant, bar or Sauna, etc, will not make it to the service staff.

It indeed does enrich the pockets of the establishment. This is standard practice in China because leaving a tip is not standard practice, and most establishments really don't care. They don't "Tip Out" to pass it on to the Staff.

As I said before, the topic of tipping is like talking about politics and religion.

MAB

[Ace Gallant]

Uhh... you know what? I am American too.

No, of course not EVERY American tips, whether they need to or not. Of course not!

I have encountered WAY too many Americans in China who don't bother to find out the custom first.

I think your friends and acquaintances are not the norm.

As per Sammy T, yes, the tips not given directly to a service provider in cash, whether in a restaurant, bar or Sauna, etc, will not make it to the service staff.

It indeed does enrich the pockets of the establishment. This is standard practice in China because leaving a tip is not standard practice, and most establishments really don't care. They don't "Tip Out" to pass it on to the Staff.

As I said before, the topic of tipping is like talking about politics and religion.

MAB

In my experience on working with Hotels and restaurants; if you pay via Credit cards or via charging to your room, the tip you added into the bill will goes to the hotel accounting pool and singled out as a different accounts in their GL. This amount upon collection from the Credit card bank will then be put back into the Tip pool, which will be distributed by the hotel staff at the end of each month. However since there are a time lapse (usually 2 months) between the payment collection from the bank and actual time of the customer payment, the hotel staff in which you had intend to reward, may be working in the establishment anymore. Therefore it will benefit the rest of the hotel staff. Manpower turnover is high in Hotel and Restaurant business.

The situation in China is different: 99% of the establishment in China will keep the tips if you paid it through credit cards. They will not put them back into the pool for the staff. Besides, manpower turnover in China is even worst!

Having said that; if you like to reward the staff for their good service, the best way is to give them the tips when no one is looking. I do tip waitress if they give me exceptionally good service. But I do have other intentions ….. :D most of the time, it will lead on to some other engagement after their working hours. ;)

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

Have you ever tried to write your mobile number on the bill, telling the girl to call you when she is free ?



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But I do have other intentions ….. :D most of the time, it will lead on to some other engagement after their working hours. ;)

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

Have you ever tried to write your mobile number on the bill, telling the girl to call you when she is free ?

Well... I had got the reverse! I had a couple of times, waitresses wrote their cell# on the receipts quietly with some notes "Call me later" (In Chinese).

I only once wrote my cell# on a 20RMB note which I gave as tip for a 8/10 waitress who gave me great service. But the girl text me back "Thank you for your tips, unfortunately I am married!" (In Chinese). I guess she knew what I was after.

However my mongering buddy who had recovered my "secret intentions" and who had also seen those cell# on the receipts; told me that they never get so lucky. After some analysis, we narrowed down to the fact that, the difference between them and me is communications; they spoke limited amount of chinese and was not very vocal with the waitresses.

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

This is my limit with waitresses: I don't speak any Chinese.

In general, whenever you are able to communicate with local girls in local language your freebies hit percentage increases dramatically.



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After some analysis, we narrowed down to the fact that, the difference between them and me is communications; they spoke limited amount of chinese and was not very vocal with the waitresses.

Enjoy!
AG

[Ace Gallant]

In general, whenever you are able to communicate with local girls in local language your freebies hit percentage increases dramatically.

That was not one of the member had said. Fortunately he now owns his own threads, otherwise newbies here wound be mislead by his claims that one can get a lot of freebies if they are good looking.

Communication is one of the key factors, but there are a lot more other factors.

To newbies: Most important factor to getting freebie is: RTFF

Enjoy!
AG

[Tonyxxx001]

Hey Guys,

Well Skype came through for me with a 23 year old girl, named YanMei from Guangdong who was studying at Liaoning Medicine University here in Shenyang and she just graduated last month. We met and went out to eat a few times then she told me she didnot know where to stay since she would be graduating and would have to move out of her dormitory. She would be returning to South, Guangdong at the beginning of July.

Well, fact is I had purchased a brand new loft apartment so I can have another place to bring girls to since now I have hooked up with my maid and I don't like bringing girls to my main apartment due to what happened in the past. Anyway, I told her to stay at my new loft apartment that it would not be a problem. Since I came on like such a sweetheart to her she agreed.

I made out with her constantly and after day 3 coaxed into bed but she was not an easy one to drop her skirt for me. It turns out she was a virgin and never got into bed with a man before. I struck Gold!!!!!

This pussy was so tight that I could not get it in the first night but on the second I finally got it in and banged the shit out of her with no condom.

She was scared shit that I was fucking her with no condom but I was nice enough to pull out before cumming on her ass.

Fucked her a few more times during her stay and she even cleaned and cooked for me. Only one problem she saids she is in love with me now and wnats to come back to stay with me. I gave no response but that I donot want that type of relationship so she broke down in tears. Last night she left to Guangdong and still insisted that she loved me and I still gave no response to her. I have the feeling she will be showing up again soon.

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[Ace Gallant]

Here are some pics of the 23 year old university grad I picked up on Skype. Pussy was like Gold, really tight, matter I fact too tight had hard time getting the sausgae in it. Hahahaha

Take care guys

And Happy Bangins!

If she was really a virgin, obviously she was in love with you to have given you her cherry.

I have no objection about you taking her cherry and ditching her but, I think the least you can to do is to have given her some human respect that she is a decent girl who wanted to start out a her career after College. By posting her face and name on the ISG, I felt that that is a little too much to do for a girl who had not did anything wrong to you and who had given you what was most precious to her.

On one hand I want to say “Bravo” for successfully broken another girl in but on the other end, I felt that you are pretty mean by showing totally no resentment (from the way you wrote: “I fact too tight had hard time getting the sausgae in it. Hahahaha”) to the fact that you had broken her heart and yet posting her photo to let the whole world knows that she had been cheated into giving up her cherry. As you may know, in Chinese culture; this will totally takes away a lot of chances for her if she would seeks a husband in future.

May be it is not that serious but I still felt that it may be too hush a punishment for a girl who had done nothing wrong to you.

Although all of us on ISG are mongers but I think most of us have at least some righteousness in our heart that we do not punish a perso n who had treated us well.

Yet again; I felt happy for you as a monger but felt sad for the girl for have been cheated.

Just my POV

Enjoy!
AG

[Albert Punter]

Tony,

I think same as AG.

Assuming your story is real, end even if it is not and those are pics you have received by e-mail, as I receive dozens, I would refrain from posting pics of her face.

More appropriate would be posting of her naked body without showing face and possibly putting her in troubles.


I think the least you can to do is to have given her some human respect that she is a decent girl who wanted to start out a her career after College. By posting her face and name on the ISG, I felt that that is a little too much to do for a girl who had not did anything wrong to you and who had given you what was most precious to her.
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AG

[Rafis]

I think it is very unlikely in a country like China to come across with this girl and recognise her. On top of that only punters like us have access to this pics so I think people should publish face photos, they give a great boost to the girl rather than a hairy pussy.

Anyway,

Regards

[Ohmygosh]

I remember seeing it in the past but can't seem to find it again. Someone remember that website you can use to access blocked sites in China? I'm missing my BBC damnit!

Much thanks,

OMG

============================================

Greetings OMG,

Have you read this:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-proxyservers.php

Also, if you find a specific proxy server site that can be used to view websites from China, then please add it to our list.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Old Mean Dog]

Tony,
I think same as AG.

Assuming your story is real, end even if it is not and those are pics you have received by e-mail, as I receive dozens, I would refrain from posting pics of her face.
More appropriate would be posting of her naked body without showing face and possibly putting her in troubles.

Tony,

Here is something that happened to me recently:

I was challanged to post photos of girls I have popped in China, I run with the South China crew down here, but the writer is from elsewhere and had never seen my photos in that forum, so I provided proof for him.

One of the girls photos I posted was a freebie and the photo showed her face and nude body with one breast exposed.

Some asshole on ISG also knew this girl and told her he had seen her photo on a website.

She went crazy because I am the only one she let take photos of her.

Then came the threats, she was going to cut me and make me bleed, etc. I was not that worried as I am ex-mil and a pretty big guy, but it dawned on me that what I had done was tarnished her reputation and honor.

It was not just the guys in S. China that saw her photo, but anyone in the entire world who joins ISG.

I now feel very bad for what I did and had Jackson remove her photo. I personally will never post another photo again and if my credibility is challenged in the future, I know many guys here that can vouche for my doings.

I will agree with the others and say please remove her photos, she seems like a really good girl and you might just have dropped the hatchet on her.

Sincerely,
SZE

[TheGun]

Tony,

That was a dick move on your part. She did not do anything to you and you exposed her and trashed her reputation for anyone that may know her or see her in the future. Next time, use your big head along with your little head.

Guru

[Tonyxxx001]

Yes after reading your posts you guys are right I should have at least covered her face, I will get them off, Again sorry and thanks for your comments.

TonyXXX001

[Ace Gallant]

Tony,

Here is something that happened to me recently:

I was challanged to post photos of girls I have popped in China, I run with the South China crew down here, but the writer is from elsewhere and had never seen my photos in that forum, so I provided proof for him.

One of the girls photos I posted was a freebie and the photo showed her face and nude body with one breast exposed.

Some asshole on ISG also knew this girl and told her he had seen her photo on a website.

She went crazy because I am the only one she let take photos of her.

Then came the threats, she was going to cut me and make me bleed, etc. I was not that worried as I am ex-mil and a pretty big guy, but it dawned on me that what I had done was tarnished her reputation and honor.

It was not just the guys in S. China that saw her photo, but anyone in the entire world who joins ISG.

I now feel very bad for what I did and had Jackson remove her photo. I personally will never post another photo again and if my credibility is challenged in the future, I know many guys here that can vouches for my doings.

Sincerely,
SZE

I verified this story is true as I remembered this incident which SZ had reported about sometime back. In fact I was also one of the few members who had objected on the board, to his posting of photos with face not covered.

Lastly;

On a website like ISG, I don't think any members need to even prove or do anything to gain credibility. After all, until we meet in person, all of us are nothing but just a Handle on the board. To me, been willing to help another member out instantly and meeting in person, puts you above in the list of friends who is creditable. This is the reason why I am ever so fast in "shooting down" any member who tries to prove that they are better or they know more than others. What is the point for anyone to prove that he knows more or had done more than any others, when he is not able to share all these information and happiness with all the friends he had found on ISG?

SZ; after I spoken to you a couple of times and the moment I met you, you had made it to the top of my creditable friends list among a few others. We are human, we made mistakes, but what is important is that we must be willing to admit our own mistakes. Let’s not let those wankers deviate us from the true purpose of this board as to Information sharing.

Enjoy!
AG

[Alaizhang]

I'd like to know how to get in AsiaFriendFinder in China. It's seems this web has been block in china area. But I can receive mail from AsiaFriendFinder team. Hope any brothers can give me indication.

[Old Mean Dog]

I'd like to know how to get in AsiaFriendFinder in China. It's seems this web has been block in china area. But I can receive mail from AsiaFriendFinder team. Hope any brothers can give me indication.

Here's a clue, scroll down five (5) posts from your question and your answer will magically appear.

[Eaglestar]

I'd like to know how to get in AsiaFriendFinder in China. It's seems this web has been block in china area. But I can receive mail from AsiaFriendFinder team. Hope any brothers can give me indication.

Szexpat is correct but I have found that using a proxy server will still not allow out going messages. Check this post....

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=610447&postcount=2424

It works for me but another monger in China told me via PM is still having problems on CFF.

ES

[Andreas Wang]

I only once wrote my cell# on a 20RMB note which I gave as tip for a 8/10 waitress who gave me great service. But the girl text me back "Thank you for your tips, unfortunately I am married!" (In Chinese).Whatever. I still liked your story. Especially that she wrote "unfortunately" :D

[Albert Punter]

Szexpat,

I don't know if you refer to me.
If such is the case, I apologise for what happened.

However, I would like to clarify that I was not challenging you to proof anything. Actually, I consider you one of the most balanced members in this forums. I was simply inviting you to post pics in Photo Gallery making them accessible to everybody and not only to those reading South China threads.

Some years ago, I was involved in a similar case after posting pics of the (in)famous Samantha of Shanghai.
A f*****g bastard told her about those pics ...



...
I was challanged to post photos of girls I have popped in China, I run with the South China crew down here, but the writer is from elsewhere and had never seen my photos in that forum, so I provided proof for him.
...
SZE

[Eaglestar]

This has been written about many times but once more here and on the Shanghai thread is not too many.

Beware.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2007/200707/20070714/article_323382.htm

[Zhuren]

Szexpat is correct but I have found that using a proxy server will still not allow out going messages. Check this post....

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=610447&postcount=2424

It works for me but another monger in China told me via PM is still having problems on CFF.

ES

Try http://xmatch.com

Same content, different URL

[Great Wall]

Szexpat is correct but I have found that using a proxy server will still not allow out going messages. Check this post....

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=610447&postcount=2424

It works for me but another monger in China told me via PM is still having problems on CFF.

ES

From: http://wikitravel.org/en/China#Censorship

The simplest way to access blocked sites is to use a proxy website. This method requires no software and can be used from anywhere (provided the particular proxy website used is not itself blocked). Prominent examples of proxy sites include Proxzee.com and Anonymouse.org. The Peacefire service also provides numerous proxy website options.

Well-known software options for bypassing Internet censorship include Tor and Psiphon. These services also increase the security of the information being viewed/transmitted. A corporate VPN (Virtual Private Network) outside of China may also accomplish the same task.

[MarkFalcon33]

Try http://xmatch.com

Same content, different URLThis is the same as adultfriendfinder.com, you are better off looking on match.com or asianfriendfinder.com. Look for women that say married and is understood by most the married one's are looking for a dick. China is no different than the rest of the world, married women fuck outside of marriage also.

[Dachong]

Hi,

I have to come clean and say I have lurked a long time and am impressed with the effort of the long timers here and the resources shared so willingly.

As a non Chinese speaker you are restricted in some mongering so all ways great to hear of a place from other language challenged shanghai expats.

I live in Shanghai and am surprised that one available avenue is rarely mentioned. That is the Massage Outcall.

Cost is mostly negotiable but I mostly manage 500 for a two hour massage and HJ or 700 for a two hour massage and FS.

The girls are normally young and I have even got one as a freebie after the initial date.

I will write a report if anyone thinks it of interest but for similar prices to Soapland etc I have a more gf experience which I like.

So guys tear me apart but am interested in why this area seems off limits on BB.

Dachong

[Zhuren]

The Xmatch / Adultfriendfinder situation is a new twist in the cat & mouse game along the Chinese Firewall. Usually, they just block the site. Now they either chanced on a very creative solution, or they did it intentionally with perverted malice:

One can access Xmatch.com alright (depending on the ISP, YMMV ...) But when you want to write to someone, or answer a message, the picture with the confirmation number doesn't show up, because that picture is hosted from another site ( http://affimg.pop6.com ) which is blocked. No confirmation number, no outgoing message.

Deep, deep frustration is setting in all over China. One can see the goods, but can't get to them. According to my sources, providers who had relied on that service didn't have new business for several days.

[Albert Punter]

... write a detailed report.

Also, please satisfy my curiosity: what do you mean for BB (sorry, but it is not mentioned in the Abbreviations page)



...
I will write a report if anyone thinks it of interest but for similar prices to Soapland etc I have a more gf experience which I like.

So guys tear me apart but am interested in why this area seems off limits on BB.

Dachong

[Dachong]

... write a detailed report.

Also, please satisfy my curiosity: what do you mean for BB (sorry, but it is not mentioned in the Abbreviations page)Sorry Albert BB = Bulletin Board ok ok I know its a forum. Never said I was Forum savy

Ok typical play.

Call any of the outcall and all will meet lowest neg price (Shanghai around rmb298 for 2 hour massage)

When girl arrives I always treat well, ask if they want a drink etc and just chat. Most are part time girls and I find often just one client a night.

When it comes to massage I strip off and always ask - should I take off boxers. They like the cute friendly approach. I then always have a nice 2 hour massage which in the end is "you want sex?" Then the negotiation starts.

Word to the wise if they say 700 then it always includes the 298 massage fee and taxi fee.

While occasionally you get the just HJ or cum quick. I have found you treat them like GF they act like it and you can have another two hours. Have twice had them fall asleep in bed afterwards they are so comfy.

By no means is it gtd but you treat them well and they will treat you well is my experience. Treat them like a 30 minute ***** they will act like it.

Dont get me wrong I intend to try the soapland and pub etc and anywhere else I can find a place for didi. But for an easy gfe I have more luck than anywhere.

But its time for dinner and then Tongren Lu is beckoning lol. The city is just full of beautiful women.

[Ace Gallant]

Sorry Albert BB = Bulletin Board ok ok I know its a forum. Never said I was Forum savy

Ok typical play.

Call any of the outcall and all will meet lowest neg price (Shanghai around rmb298 for 2 hour massage)

When girl arrives I always treat well, ask if they want a drink etc and just chat. Most are part time girls and I find often just one client a night.

When it comes to massage I strip off and always ask - should I take off boxers. They like the cute friendly approach. I then always have a nice 2 hour massage which in the end is "you want sex?" Then the negotiation starts.

Word to the wise if they say 700 then it always includes the 298 massage fee and taxi fee.

While occasionally you get the just HJ or cum quick. I have found you treat them like GF they act like it and you can have another two hours. Have twice had them fall asleep in bed afterwards they are so comfy.

By no means is it gtd but you treat them well and they will treat you well is my experience. Treat them like a 30 minute ***** they will act like it.

Dont get me wrong I intend to try the soapland and pub etc and anywhere else I can find a place for didi. But for an easy gfe I have more luck than anywhere.

But its time for dinner and then Tongren Lu is beckoning lol. The city is just full of beautiful women.

DC,

You need to RTFF more and explore more, what you had described is just one of the many general and typical body massages available in most hotels in Shanghai. Very often, when the girls come to your room and when they see that you are a foreigner, they would ask you straight up front if you want an extra HJ or FS. They often do not ask if you like a BJ because the Chinese girls normally hate that. They think it is dirty!

Sometimes even the in-house massage will ask you up front whether you need extra services and will send up to appreciate girl for the job. If you stay in 3 Stars and below Hotels, you don’t even have to call, your phone will ring once nightfall. They will ask you if you want a massage with extra service. It will become a bother because your phone will sometimes ring in the middle of the night. The way to get around it is to call the reception and tell them to filter out these calls.

Enjoy!
AG

[Blacklisted]

He was just describing the in-call massages available in those lao wai mags like 8days and shanghai talk (not hotel massages, although there is a similarity) and the GFE possibilities.

I've had mixed experiences with them too and like the convenience but I have found consistency difficult to come by on both services, price and quality, so it's pretty hit and miss but I would definitely not go over 200 for the massage and then another 300 for FS. I think there are too many suckers out there using this service and thereby making the girls expect huge payment for a HJ, which is crazy.

So, if you are an experienced monger, I'd look elsewhere for value.


DC,

You need to RTFF more and explore more, what you had described is just one of the many general and typical body massages available in most hotels in Shanghai. Very often, when the girls come to your room and when they see that you are a foreigner, they would ask you straight up front if you want an extra HJ or FS. They often do not ask if you like a BJ because the Chinese girls normally hate that. They think it is dirty!

Sometimes even the in-house massage will ask you up front whether you need extra services and will send up to appreciate girl for the job. If you stay in 3 Stars and below Hotels, you don’t even have to call, your phone will ring once nightfall. They will ask you if you want a massage with extra service. It will become a bother because your phone will sometimes ring in the middle of the night. The way to get around it is to call the reception and tell them to filter out these calls.

Enjoy!
AG

[Dachong]

Hi Ace - Blacklisted

I agree very hit and miss, you can blow out badly.

But a newbie starts where he can lol and I appreciate the advise on the Forum. Lots new ideas in a city that is waiting for exploration.

[Member #3421]

I'm looking to hit the ground running, shortly, for an extended business trip (6 weeks) to Beijing. Of course I'll try the usual places, but I also wouldn't mind a small group KTV venture at some point, getting a little of the beaten track (sauna?), and making a few new friends. PM me if you're interested in hitting the town with a newbie who has done his research, speaks no Chinese, and is happy to buy the beer.

NBG

[Cooler Wolf2]

...but then again maybe not as I seem to remember some of the longer term members here posting about having suits made in Shanghai, so here goes...

I will be travelling to BJ and possibly to Shanghai in the near future. Can any members (perhaps BJ or SH residents) PM me with details on where I can get big shoes - size 47/48? Formal shoes for suit/work. I have tried googling but keep coming up against wholesalers rather than retail options.

Simply impossible to get where I am living and I'm not likely to be leaving the country anytime in the next few months.

Thanks in advance.

Cooler

[Cooler Wolf2]

With all the comments I have heard in the forums ie. the girls complaining about what huge equipment you guys have ;p I thought someone might have had some advice for me.

I'm not so sure about that old adage now. Maybe it needs to be rewritten:

Big hands...big gloves
Big feet.....big.....shoes?

Anyone?

[Eaglestar]

Maybe they can load the chip into our visas someday

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/08/12/asia/china.1-113312.php

[Hainanien]

I have a phone internet thingy from China Unicom that I use while traveling, it plugs into a computer with USB & has worked very well throughout southern China. Basically, anyplace I can make a mobile call, I can have internet with it, busses, taxies or anywhere. It’s also a phone with a small program installed on my computer, I can talk & / or send text messages with it.

It’s great because I can read & write Chinese messages using an internet translator, simply copy & paste as well as get online anytime / place.

Since having this, I’ve heard that Unicom has a better, faster connection than China Mobile from others.

It is good nation wide, no extra cost for being out of home province, most of the mobile internet hookups I looked at had lower hourly rates but jumped high if you leave that province.

This one works with MS Vista, a few I tried in small computer shops wouldn’t.

China Unicom in any city.

1600 RMB paid up front gets you the phone thingy And 1600 online hours.

They offer two plans, either 200 minutes a month or 60 minutes, spread out over as many months as 1600 gets, my 200 minutes a month plan will last 8 months. The costs for time / calls over the 200 or 60 minutes are quite reasonable.

I’m not connected to Unicom in any way other than being a happy customer.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Tile Man4]

With all the comments I have heard in the forums ie. the girls complaining about what huge equipment you guys have ;p I thought someone might have had some advice for me.

I'm not so sure about that old adage now. Maybe it needs to be rewritten:

Big hands...big gloves
Big feet.....big.....shoes?

Anyone?

Big blue, green or brown eyes - they think you have a big wallet too.

Big nose - they think you have a big dick too.

Don't fall for any of this shit.

Take care

Big tile man - I'm 5'8 150 lbs

[Cgwasia]

Heading to Panyu. In Guangzhou. I have been to Shanghai, did not like it very much. Moving from Taipei (sigh) but anyways whats the news in Guangzhou? Recommendations etc?


He was just describing the in-call massages available in those lao wai mags like 8days and shanghai talk (not hotel massages, although there is a similarity) and the GFE possibilities.

I've had mixed experiences with them too and like the convenience but I have found consistency difficult to come by on both services, price and quality, so it's pretty hit and miss but I would definitely not go over 200 for the massage and then another 300 for FS. I think there are too many suckers out there using this service and thereby making the girls expect huge payment for a HJ, which is crazy.

So, if you are an experienced monger, I'd look elsewhere for value.

[Datiao]

Just a caution to you guys who wants to purchase a property in Guangzhou.
Do not trust any property agents and more importantly check before signing any contracts.
I was conned 4000Y more in agent fees because I did not check carefully and signed the contract.

[Ira Johnson]

What's the best way to obtain Viagra in China? With or without a prescription, how much should I expect to pay, what's the way to ask, etc.

Yeah, yeah, yea, I'm going to RTFF as well, but I want to solve this little crisis of confidence quickly, so I am exploring all options. Thus this post.

JdP

[Dan Hawaii]

What's the best way to obtain Viagra in China? With or without a prescription, how much should I expect to pay, what's the way to ask, etc.

Yeah, yeah, yea, I'm going to RTFF as well, but I want to solve this little crisis of confidence quickly, so I am exploring all options. Thus this post.

JdP
Viagra is available in the government pharmacy stores, with the green cross. It is 130rmb for a 100mg pill, or buy the 5 pack for 500rmb. No need prescription. Don't recommend the small 'mom and pop' stores, maybe fakes.

[Ira Johnson]

Viagra is available in the government pharmacy stores, with the green cross. It is 130rmb for a 100mg pill, or buy the 5 pack for 500rmb. No need prescription. Don't recommend the small 'mom and pop' stores, maybe fakes.Dan:

Thanks, guy. That helps. can you tell me what to say or what to ask for (pinyin), or is there a kind soul who can enter the chinese characters on the board?

Thanks much.

JdP

[Eaglestar]

Viagra is available in the government pharmacy stores, with the green cross. It is 130rmb for a 100mg pill, or buy the 5 pack for 500rmb. No need prescription. Don't recommend the small 'mom and pop' stores, maybe fakes.

Also available at most, but not all, Watson's w/o prescription and the above prices.

ES

[Ira Johnson]

Also available at most, but not all, Watson's w/o prescription and the above prices.

ESThanks, ES. That is really helpful - I can barely throw a rock in this city without hitting a Watson's! I plan to take Eaglestar's and Dan Hawaii's advice tomorrow - will update to confirm.

JdP

[Ira Johnson]

Ok, you guys were right. I walked into a chain pharmacy (here we have "The Great Jilin Medicine Store") and purchased a 5-pack for 495RMB. These are 100mg, and I break 'them in half anyhow, so that's a ten-dose pack for me.

I simply said "VIAGRA" clearly and slowly, and was immediately offered the 1-pack and the 5-pack (cheaper per pill). Paid at the register, no muss, no fuss. No prescription. I was prepared to say "Wei Ge, " but I think they know Viagra in most places. I will keep the box for future reference, though.

JdP

[LittleGoomba]

For future reference: Viagra = 伟哥


Dan:

Thanks, guy. That helps. can you tell me what to say or what to ask for (pinyin), or is there a kind soul who can enter the chinese characters on the board?

Thanks much.

JdP

[Ian Gardner]

Can you please advise a newbie to the Viagra scene?

How much should you pop and how long before the deed? Does it just keep you hard or does it also give you multiple shots?

Iandavid


Ok, you guys were right. I walked into a chain pharmacy (here we have "The Great Jilin Medicine Store") and purchased a 5-pack for 495RMB. These are 100mg, and I break 'them in half anyhow, so that's a ten-dose pack for me.

I simply said "VIAGRA" clearly and slowly, and was immediately offered the 1-pack and the 5-pack (cheaper per pill). Paid at the register, no muss, no fuss. No prescription. I was prepared to say "Wei Ge, " but I think they know Viagra in most places. I will keep the box for future reference, though.

JdP

[Flyhere]

For those who work for an extended period in China, do you buy local health insurance?

Thanks
fly

[Furias]

For those who work for an extended period in China, do you buy local health insurance?

Thanks,

FlyForeigners who work in China are not required to purchase the government package of health insurance/social security that is required of local Chinese workers, but may if they so wish. I looked into doing this, and it isn't very expensive, but most of the cost (80%) goes to social security and I just didn't feel that it was worth it. If I remember the cost was around 600 RMB per month.

I've never been to hospital here (except for my physical exam required for the resident visa), but a western friend of mine who took I'll spent a few days in the hospital and the cost was almost nothing. He was also very happy with the treatment he received.

Recently there was a major story in the Shenzhen Daily about health care for foreigners, and the bottom line was lots of choices at very low cost. You can probably find the article online at szdaily.com

If you're only going to be in China for a short time there are emergency health insurance packages that you can buy that would medevac you to HK or out of the country in an emergency. I don't know much about these, but the cost shouldn't be that expensive.