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Blacklisted
11-23-07, 06:34
Can you please advise a newbie to the Viagra scene?
How much should you pop and how long before the deed? Does it just keep you hard or does it also give you multiple shots?
IandavidPop one pill (half won't work) about 45 mins to 1 hour before the deed.
It will keep you up for 4 hours and you can pop as much as you want during that time. 3 to 4 is usually appropriate.
Cialis is much better.
OldAsiaHand
11-25-07, 04:51
Flyhere,
You are better off buying one of the international health insurance plans such as BUPA or Goodhealth in Hong Kong.
A lot depends on whether you go to a local hospital (very cheap) or one of the international doctor clinics (can be expensive) in China. The international insurance covers you all over the world.
Just my POV.
OAH
For those who work for an extended period in China, do you buy local health insurance?
Thanks
fly
Dan Hawaii
11-25-07, 08:00
Pop one pill (half won't work) about 45 mins to 1 hour before the deed.
It will keep you up for 4 hours and you can pop as much as you want during that time. 3 to 4 is usually appropriate.
Cialis is much better.
That's crazy to take 3-4 pills 100mg of viagra within 4 hours. You are going to overdose with viagra. The maximum I would take is 2 pills. But half is probably enough for the majority of people. Take a look at viagra.com for more info.
HA HA HA!!!
Dan, I think BlackListed meant that after taking 1 Viagra, you can "pop" (=cum) 3-4 times. Not pop another 3-4 Viagra pills. And anyway, a young buck like you doesn't need any Vitamin V, right?
That's crazy to take 3-4 pills 100mg of viagra within 4 hours. You are going to overdose with viagra. The maximum I would take is 2 pills. But half is probably enough for the majority of people. Take a look at viagra.com for more info.
Dan Hawaii
11-25-07, 08:06
My friend got food poisioning this past July and stayed at a hospital for 8 hours. He took 6 IV liquids of different stuff. The bill was only a couple hundred rmb, and the medicine was less than 100 rmb. I forgot the exact prices, but all I remember was that it was really dam cheap. The doctors really hit the nail in the hammer, as he felt good enough to fly back home to Hawaii the next day. The hospital was better than I expected, even had AC.
I honestly think that he was going to die if he did not go to the hospital.
Dan Hawaii
11-25-07, 08:15
HA HA HA!!!
Dan, I think BlackListed meant that after taking 1 Viagra, you can "pop" (=cum) 3-4 times. Not pop another 3-4 Viagra pills. And anyway, a young buck like you doesn't need any Vitamin V, right?
Hahaha, oh shit, I thought he meant pills. Yeah 3-4 pops in the girl is ok. Shit, if you can do 3-4 pops in 4 hours, you no need viagra :)
I'm not that young of a buck. As for me, yeah I use viagra, especially after the ktv when I'm all wasted. And when you are in CP for 3 weeks, the second half of the 3 week stay I start using vitamin V more. Kind of get drained and start shooting blanks :) .
PS. I have been hearing that Cialis is better than Viagra, I'll bring some vitamin C next trip.
hahaha, oh shit, i thought he meant pills. yeah 3-4 pops in the girl is ok. shit, if you can do 3-4 pops in 4 hours, you no need viagra :)
i'm not that young of a buck. as for me, yeah i use viagra, especially after the ktv when i'm all wasted. and when you are in cp for 3 weeks, the second half of the 3 week stay i start using vitamin v more. kind of get drained and start shooting blanks :) .
ps. i have been hearing that cialis is better than viagra, i'll bring some vitamin c next trip.
actually, viagra does nothing to your popability, it just makes you hard. there is anecdotal evidence that it actually retards popping. some men experience problems when peeing, same thing. as mentioned, cialis is better, lasts longer, and has a smoother, gentler efficacy curve.
That is my experience also with Vit. "C". Much more 'friendly' than V. Wish I could find a place in Shanghai to buy it.
ES
That is my experience also with Vit. "C". Much more 'friendly' than V. Wish I could find a place in Shanghai to buy it.
ES
I vaguely recall getting some - would you believe it - in one of those knick-knack stores of a large SH hotel, either the Shangri-La or the Sofitel. Basement level. Was under the counter.
A good and cheap source was a pharmacy in that huge below-level market in Zhuhai. Most likely fake, but worked as well as the real thing brought from Europe
I vaguely recall getting some - would you believe it - in one of those knick-knack stores of a large SH hotel, either the Shangri-La or the Sofitel. Basement level. Was under the counter.
A good and cheap source was a pharmacy in that huge below-level market in Zhuhai. Most likely fake, but worked as well as the real thing brought from EuropeI like fun with chemicals.. Could you be more specific about the Zhuhai location? I'm a going shopping soon. Recollect prices paid?
Bought some cialis from a little krappy toy store on HongZhong. Worse than fake, made my heart race and my wang sleep, all for the low low price of 80rmb /10. Well, I got kind of even, I demanded refund (no can do) so later on I chowed down big, ordered the taxi to stop at her front door and self inflicted a hurl at her door stoop. It was loud leaving. Cant say I didnt warn her. Dunno bout you but Im staying off that lane for awhile.
PS, thought the chinese language section was the appropo spot, so I had recently posted the Vitamin V characters (as read from the Pfizer box) and pinyin (from an online dictionary box).
I like fun with chemicals.. Could you be more specific about the Zhuhai location? I'm a going shopping soon. Recollect prices paid?Years back, about 2003 or so, 100 yuan all over the gubei mall. Just ask any pharmacy out there.
Hello,
This is my first post here. I came from the US 3 months ago to teach English in Changde at the University. I really have no intention of sleeping with anyone, but I've read almost the entire forum for China. I don't believe I've ever seen a board with more intelligent, understanding, respectful and helpful people than here. I've gotten more information and insight from this forum than all the other places I have ever gone all put together. Sex is the basis behind all human behavior no matter where you come from, so maybe this is not surprising.
I need serious help. I like China, but I am literally in a different world beyond what I imagined. First, it was stupid to come here without learning any Chinese. I was told by a former teacher that most everyone I would deal with knew enough English to talk to. Wrong. Second, it just never occurred to me that I would suddenly not be able to read. Yes, I can hear you laughing now, and I have so much more to tell. Third, it also didn't occur to me that those that were speaking English may not really understand the meaning behind the words they use. Not a good start for someone who came to teach a language huh?
I'm going to try to post a little bit at a time about what my life has been like for the past 3 months, I'd rather not bore all of you with 10 pages of questions, whining, and stupidity. For the record I'm in my 30's but people think I'm way younger than that. I'm a very big Irish/Scotsman being 6'3" and weighing in at about 250. Not flabby, but definitely not in shape. I'm a psychologist and have always been good with people from all places. Never had any problem finding a girlfriend ever since I started to like them, but there certainly haven't been that many relative to the way you guys speak of.
Anyway, that's my introduction, and I'm very pleased to read all you have to say. It has been so very helpful.
Third Post. After the National Holiday, I started classes. I taught only the freshmen and had almost no contact with anyone else. Even other teachers. I thought it odd that I was never approached by any of them or given any direction on what or how to teach the classes. Just said it was up to me. At least I knew enough not to talk about politics or religion. I was told that if I needed any help that I was to use the students. This is common practice. All my life as a student and an adult I followed the 'keep all relationships professional' idea. Asking a student for help with anything was hard for me. Hell, giving out my cell phone number was a big no no for me. Some of them knew where I lived on campus. This was a little disconcerting as I figured I would be bothered night and day with phone calls and pounding on the door. In the US I would have. Here, boy was I naive. Although they were all very polite and eager to help, none of them ever went out of their way to offer it. None took the initiative. Cell phone never rang. Most of these oddities I began to think were culture bound. I had a brilliant idea, why not search the net for more info. Dumbass. Believe me, I'm not really this moronic.
I knew everything one should know walking the streets from Chicago to Los Angeles up to Anchorage Alaska. In China, at least in Changde, I might as well be from another planet. Most of the people here have never before seen someone who is not Chinese, and I stand out in a crowd anywhere. At first the stares were mildly entertaining but soon because not only annoying, but bothersome enough for me not to even go out. I did eventually realize that here Chinese only know Chinese. That is all they have ever known. This extends to everything from the classroom to socialization. Both students and townies. The more I learned the more panicked I became. In the US, everyone is different. Seeing a Chinese person you don't bat an eye. I unconsciously lived my life doing and thinking in an American way and changed nothing except that I knew I was in China. That might account for the lack of socialization I had. It also made me realize that knowing Chinese women may be very hard for the simple fact that I was not Chinese. This was no Shanghai or Hong Kong where another American is nothing. Here, I am not even human. That quickly changed much of my views on how I saw the Chinese after that. Especially the women. Now I seriously began to wonder about my last conversation with that first girl. I mean, she was from Tianjin after all. I really had no idea how I was going to survive here when I could not relate to anyone even on the most basic level. Boom, Culture Shock, you never can know what it's like until you experience it. Like trying to describe being drunk and the morning after. Not sure whether to stay in bed or run on home. But since I am stubborn to the point of insanity (stupidity) I am still here.
I can't seem to get a straight answer, so I hope someone can share their experience and knowledge.
I have the prospect of some consulting work for a Chinese company in Shenzhen, arranged through an agency in HK. It's for 6-9 months, with trips back to the US in between. I am a US citizen.
What kind of visa do I need?
Some say it's a Z visa. My HK contact says I don't need a visa as I'm a US passport holder, going for less than 90 days at a time (I'm less inclined to believe these HK guys).
Thanks
fly
I can't seem to get a straight answer, so I hope someone can share their experience and knowledge.
I have the prospect of some consulting work for a Chinese company in Shenzhen, arranged through an agency in HK. It's for 6-9 months, with trips back to the US in between. I am a US citizen.
What kind of visa do I need?
Some say it's a Z visa. My HK contact says I don't need a visa as I'm a US passport holder, going for less than 90 days at a time (I'm less inclined to believe these HK guys).
Thanks
fly
If you're going to get paid in China, you need a Z visa, if not an F visa will suffice. Those HK guys are WRONG. If you hold a US passport and come to China, you WILL BE turned away from the border if you DO NOT have a China visa.
If you're going to get paid in China, you need a Z visa, if not an F visa will suffice. Those HK guys are WRONG. If you hold a US passport and come to China, you WILL BE turned away from the border if you DO NOT have a China visa.
Moody is correct.
If you're going to get paid in China, you need a Z visa, if not an F visa will suffice. Those HK guys are WRONG. If you hold a US passport and come to China, you WILL BE turned away from the border if you DO NOT have a China visa.
Thanks, will ask the consulate about a multiple entry F visa, as I will get paid by the HK company. I will open a HK bank account.
Thanks, will ask the consulate about a multiple entry F visa, as I will get paid by the HK company. I will open a HK bank account.
Since September I think, you can also just get a multiple entry L visa. Those are a lot less hassle to get since all you need to send in is a photo and the application without all the other supporting docs. Once my F visa expires, that's what I plan to do.
Moody is not exactly correct. I am the head of a WFOE, get 20% of my pay in rmb and 80% in US $. I've been on multiple entry F visas for years. I don't go for the Z, because if I do that I lose my expat tax exemption, which is sweet.
Just like in America, there are creative workarounds that take full advantage of tax law ambiguities and nuanced interpretations. I happen to have great attorneys and great tax advisors. Overall, it is correct to say that you should have a Z if you are working full time in China and getting paid 100% in rmb.
I am a local visa agent and here is my 2 cents. You can get a China F (Business) or L (Tourist) visa in HK. Various visas have time limits. Some are one month one entry, another is 3 months where you have to leave every 30 days and there are a couple of others. If you work in Shenzhen, you can go to HK to renew after the expiration and that is very easy.
Now as for a Z visa, you don't need one unless your company asks you to. Since your so close to HK pointless. If you do want to get a Z visa, you need to go through the paper work then go to HK and get a Z. On the mainland Z visa is a in between visa. You bring the Z back to China to apply for your work permit which then allows you to apply for your 1 year multi-entry working and residence permit.
If you want a straight 6 month visa with no time limit you need to go through an agent who will process your visa in a smaller city but it is still legal. You can usually extend three times in China and get away with short term expirations if you use the right agent.
Shenzhen Hk
12-07-07, 20:35
Could someone explain what those Z / F / L, etc visa's are and their correct names / definitions?
Am actually wanting to setup a comp. in HK to get my work visa.
OldAsiaHand
12-08-07, 02:38
According to my understanding:
L: Tourist visa
F: Business visa
Z: Working visa
Actually, the Z visa/green resident book has been replaced by "Resident Permit for Foreigner in the People's Republic of China". The work permit is a separate document.
As Lao Ma says, the latter triggers income tax in China. Basically, if you are paid by a Chinese company, regardless of where, the income is taxable. This even applies to consulting fees which are subject to withholding tax. Hypothetically, if you are paid outside of China and spend less than 180 days per year on the mainland, you may be tax exempt.
Disclaimer: I am not a tax lawyer or accountant. This is just the advice I have been given.
OAH
Could someone explain what those Z / F / L, etc visa's are and their correct names / definitions?
Am actually wanting to setup a comp. in HK to get my work visa.
Rabbus,
I can feel your pain. When I first came to China (10 years ago) it was the way you described including the big cities. Chinese culture is much different than western culture and unquestionably you will make mistakes. I still do but certainly less frequent. I would suggest downloading Pimsleur's Mandarin 1 course to start and spend your imprisonment and self-imposed exile learning the language.
Good luck with your adventure. You will remember this part of your life forever and look back on it reflecting on your courage and perseverance to this new challenge.
LA
Dan Hawaii
12-08-07, 09:54
Since September I think, you can also just get a multiple entry L visa. Those are a lot less hassle to get since all you need to send in is a photo and the application without all the other supporting docs. Once my F visa expires, that's what I plan to do.
From what I got from my travel agent, as of August or Septmeber 2007, the new policy is that you need to get the (1 year) multiple entry visas like $120, there are no single entry visas anymore was $80. He said the 2008 Olympics is the reason for this.
Ragnarok42
12-09-07, 02:22
From what I got from my travel agent, as of August or Septmeber 2007, the new policy is that you need to get the (1 year) multiple entry visas like $120, there are no single entry visas anymore was $80. He said the 2008 Olympics is the reason for this.
Thats not totally true. I usually get my visa in HK for same day. They still issue single and duo entry visas but they have now made the prices for all visas to be HK 780 no matter what the type is. They say its in retribution for the recent issue of the safety of Chinese products.
Thats not totally true. I usually get my visa in HK for same day. They still issue single and duo entry visas but they have now made the prices for all visas to be HK 780 no matter what the type is. They say its in retribution for the recent issue of the safety of Chinese products.Be very careful what type of Visa you get. Our company had a standing policy to always apply for a one year, multiple entry visa (F) for our engineers coming to China, but I found out that if you have the new biometric passport (thicker cover with the little logo on the front) then your first visa can only be a single or double entry. After that you can apply for longer term, multiple entry visas.
We've always used an outfit in Chicago to process our Chinese visas, and they do a great job.
In the above case I didn't look at this engineers Visa and only discovered at the Louhu boarder (at midnight, after spending a day sight seeing in HK) that he couldn't go back to SZ. The next day we got him another Visa, but what a pain in the neck. So be sure to look at your visa and also anyone you're traveling with.
I know many westerners here in SZ who basically stay with an F visa and visit HK to reset the clock, but this can be dangerous. For one thing the Chinese will freak if you overstay your 30 days by even one day, and you will get a steep fine and possibly worse if there's a toy recall on. This happened to a friend of mine recently, and he was lucky to get back. Also, the Chinese don't base income tax decisions on which Visa you have. If you spend more than six months of the year here (doesn't have to be consecutive) they want their tax. Don't risk your foreign owned Chinese company documents on this.
The rules change in China every day, so I prefer to get my visa for as long as possible. For instance, last week a new rule went into effect that only registered foreigners can get CNN and BBC on topway cable. Now I have to go down and show my passport to get CNN at my new apartment. What a pain.
I humbly offer a (a little) remorse for breaking the Swede heart who posted recently being taken for the $1100 pot of tea ( and going back for another round somewhere the next day?!?) but at 27, throwing hands is the only sane solution to such a blatant ripoff. At XX, of course I simply dont fall for it, but in my own lazy way I still be fightin da man.
I'll sometimes get off at Nanjingdonglu just to wade thru the tout sea and fukc with them. You know, demand to see the art students hands (and complain about the lack of paint or clay underneith their fingernails - mere grime does not count). Or start suite-talking the prettiest one (using that description generously, so far) into "hell with the tea, lets qù wǒ nǎr (go my place) and toss some brandy & coffee into the tank". Or break into emphatic & loud worried-sounding talk when a cop patrol comes close by. Mano, those kids really get nervous then - there must at least some sort of heat on them.
Had the standard 2 xiaojie\1 guy trio of "vacationing english students" glom on me the other day. Played dumb enough long enough (easy do says you?) for the boss one to get her camera out to "take picture me and dorm mates" lined up on both sides (yes I had my wallet protected). I told her "ready? take picture on 3", even slipped my arm around the girl next to me, all friendly like. At the count of 2.99, I grabbed a hearty handfull of the gal's ass and did a "insane laowai posse" face. Her shriek turned about 400 heads, lol, but it was basically over before anyone could focus. I sure wish the pix taker would send me a copy of that shot - we all looked simply awesome on the little screen. Hope it don't get my own as's kicked some day. Snaked out my mobile and took the boss girl's picture next - she got her hand out quick to block her face from pix but I got kind of a profile. Her turn to be unhappy.
Thinking it would be fun someday to accompany a swill of the them ( isn't it a "swill or swindlers" like a"gaggle of geese"?) to the front door of the tea house and take some more pix to post "beware"'s on the web, but that might be pushing the envelope to get good and stamped in gangster land.
If some one messes with you, leave a mess behind!
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Neuromancer
12-15-07, 10:21
Be very careful what type of Visa you get. Our company had a standing policy to always apply for a one year, multiple entry visa (F) for our engineers coming to China, but I found out that if you have the new biometric passport (thicker cover with the little logo on the front) then your first visa can only be a single or double entry. After that you can apply for longer term, multiple entry visas.
We've always used an outfit in Chicago to process our Chinese visas, and they do a great job.
In the above case I didn't look at this engineers Visa and only discovered at the Louhu boarder (at midnight, after spending a day sight seeing in HK) that he couldn't go back to SZ. The next day we got him another Visa, but what a pain in the neck. So be sure to look at your visa and also anyone you're traveling with.
I know many westerners here in SZ who basically stay with an F visa and visit HK to reset the clock, but this can be dangerous. For one thing the Chinese will freak if you overstay your 30 days by even one day, and you will get a steep fine and possibly worse if there's a toy recall on. This happened to a friend of mine recently, and he was lucky to get back. Also, the Chinese don't base income tax decisions on which Visa you have. If you spend more than six months of the year here (doesn't have to be consecutive) they want their tax. Don't risk your foreign owned Chinese company documents on this.
The rules change in China every day, so I prefer to get my visa for as long as possible. For instance, last week a new rule went into effect that only registered foreigners can get CNN and BBC on topway cable. Now I have to go down and show my passport to get CNN at my new apartment. What a pain.Biometric passports - I think that I have one as I just replaced my old one a few months ago (there's a little logo on the front cover, underneath the "United States of America"). I was able to get a one year multiple entry, but I also brought my old passport to show that I have received China visas before (this may be the reason you were refused a multiple entry)
Overstaying your visa - I've had this happen to me in the past and it was quite an ordeal. Took me to a little office, had to pay a hefty fine (2000RMB if I remember correctly) and had to sign a bunch of forms which I think translated into something along the lines of a "self discipline" (it was a while ago so don't remember exactly). Reason I overstayed - one of the nuances of the various types of visas which you can get, some are "Valid until" and some are "Enter before". As my trip was scheduled pretty close to the tail end of my visa validity, I asked the agency back in the states and they told me that visas were "Enter before", but my visa at the time was a "Valid until" type. This one happened to be issued in Guangdong (I think I got this one via CTS in HKIA) - I've gotten two of these in the past and both are "Valid until". All of the ones which I've gotten in HK or in the US are all "Enter before"
L vs. F - looking through my old passport, seems I've got a variety of L and F types and hasn't seemed to make much of a difference, though I've never spent more than 6 months in a single year in China.
Yes, I believe the only problem is if you have one of these new biometric passports AND you have never had a Chinese Visa in the past. In that case your first Visa will only be a single or double entry Visa, instead of the multiple entry we used to be able to get for new engineers. Glad to hear that you didn't have any problems by showing your old passport. I believe the best thing is to get as much Visa as you can as quickly as possible, because you just never know what might change politically tomorrow.
Biometric passports - I think that I have one as I just replaced my old one a few months ago (there's a little logo on the front cover, underneath the "United States of America"). I was able to get a one year multiple entry, but I also brought my old passport to show that I have received China visas before (this may be the reason you were refused a multiple entry)
Old Mean Dog
12-17-07, 17:47
For those that don't think we are being watched:
Visitors
Estimated number of visits for www.internationalsexguide.info
103,242 visits per day
extracted from: http://www.statbrain.com
-CPE
Ragnarok42
12-17-07, 18:13
For those that don't think we are being watched:
Visitors
Estimated number of visits for www.internationalsexguide.info
103,242 visits per day
extracted from: http://www.statbrain.com
-CPE
I account to 103,240 of those. Sorry, boring day.
Just a quick thank to all for the pointers on Chinese visa. It makes sense to get as much as you can since it's a fixed cost of $100 in the US. My contact in Shenzhen said I could only get a 6 mth visa since it's my first time, but I applied for and got an F visa for multiple entries for 1 year with 60-day stay.
(I also got my wife an L visa for multiple entries for 1 year with 60-day stay, for possible future visits)
fly
Some of you may have noticed that many Chinese do not recognize their own language when a foreigner speaks it to them. After a minute or two, they finally realize you're speaking Chinese. I find this very odd. I'm not talking about foreigners who speak Chinese badly, this also happens in cases where their pronunciation is very standard. I've heard all the reasons why ("they don't expect you to speak Chinese," etc.), so I won't ask that question. What I'm curious to know is: Does the same phenomenon happen in other countries, or is it only in China?
So, here's my survey question:
(1) Did you live in some foreign country where you "looked foreign" and spoke the language pretty well? If so, what country?
(2) Did you notice this phenomenon (as in China) that the locals very often would not quickly recognize simple words spoken correctly and clearly in their own language?
Thanks in advance for any answers to the above questions.
Some of you may have noticed that many Chinese do not recognize their own language when a foreigner speaks it to them. After a minute or two, they finally realize you're speaking Chinese. I find this very odd. I'm not talking about foreigners who speak Chinese badly, this also happens in cases where their pronunciation is very standard. I've heard all the reasons why ("they don't expect you to speak Chinese," etc.), so I won't ask that question. What I'm curious to know is: Does the same phenomenon happen in other countries, or is it only in China?
So, here's my survey question:
(1) Did you live in some foreign country where you "looked foreign" and spoke the language pretty well? If so, what country?
(2) Did you notice this phenomenon (as in China) that the locals very often would not quickly recognize simple words spoken correctly and clearly in their own language?
Thanks in advance for any answers to the above questions.I can't answer your question but have something funny to support your theory. In a guidebook about China I found the following: A foreigner on a bus in China talks in fluent mandarin to his Chinese friend. An old man sitting near him tells his wife: This guy's English sounds almost the same as our poutonghua.
Some of you may have noticed that many Chinese do not recognize their own language when a foreigner speaks it to them. After a minute or two, they finally realize you're speaking Chinese. I find this very odd. I'm not talking about foreigners who speak Chinese badly, this also happens in cases where their pronunciation is very standard. I've heard all the reasons why ("they don't expect you to speak Chinese," etc.), so I won't ask that question. What I'm curious to know is: Does the same phenomenon happen in other countries, or is it only in China?
So, here's my survey question:
(1) Did you live in some foreign country where you "looked foreign" and spoke the language pretty well? If so, what country?
(2) Did you notice this phenomenon (as in China) that the locals very often would not quickly recognize simple words spoken correctly and clearly in their own language?
Thanks in advance for any answers to the above questions.Mandarin Chinese is not a precise language like English, which is why many companies use English for engineering or accounting tasks. Mandarin is a very rich language, and it's perfect for poetry, but it's not the best for detailed tasks.
I've seen many times where a Westerner will speak very clear Mandarin, but because they only speak a very short sentence there isn't enough context for the local Chinese to understand. Often for Chinese they rely on context instead of tones, which is why they can speak so fast. String together enough information in enough different ways and the meaning usually will come across.
Hi Furias,
I am not sure that you are on the right track here, Chinese is very good for engineering as the language is so direct that its often easier to understand Chinese engineering terms than English, because lot of the higher level engineering terms in English come from other language, latin and greek etc. On the other hand the use of foreign loan words in Chinese is very very small.
Nightcat, I would also be interested to see what people say about other countries.
Old Mean Dog
01-07-08, 07:15
Some of you may have noticed that many Chinese do not recognize their own language when a foreigner speaks it to them. After a minute or two, they finally realize you're speaking Chinese. I find this very odd. I'm not talking about foreigners who speak Chinese badly, this also happens in cases where their pronunciation is very standard. I've heard all the reasons why ("they don't expect you to speak Chinese," etc.), so I won't ask that question. What I'm curious to know is: Does the same phenomenon happen in other countries, or is it only in China?
So, here's my survey question:
(1) Did you live in some foreign country where you "looked foreign" and spoke the language pretty well? If so, what country?
(2) Did you notice this phenomenon (as in China) that the locals very often would not quickly recognize simple words spoken correctly and clearly in their own language?
Thanks in advance for any answers to the above questions.
I lived in Greece for 3 years and my Greek was passable enough for daily life, but it always surprised people when I would speak to them in their mother tongue. It was probably easier for them to comprehend what was being said since they also spoke English, just as I have noticed that people that speak English here in China, can understand my shitty putonghua much better than ones who don't. English is the international language and I think most people just assume we don't speak their language.
-CPE
Hi Furias,
I am not sure that you are on the right track here, Chinese is very good for engineering as the language is so direct that its often easier to understand Chinese engineering terms than English, because lot of the higher level engineering terms in English come from other language, latin and greek etc. On the other hand the use of foreign loan words in Chinese is very very small.
Nightcat, I would also be interested to see what people say about other countries.Thanks Kunshan, and I certainly respect your opinion. My comments were based on working in both China and Europe, where we have a pretty universal opinion that English is a much more direct language and much better suited to engineering tasks than Mandarin, Italian, or French. So many characters...so much chance for confusion. There's a reason why it's so difficult for Chinese to master the Chinese language, and those that do earn huge respect.
As for the use of tones by westerners we often get them wrong, but I maintain that so do many Chinese.
Meiguoguizi
01-07-08, 12:12
I defy anyone on this board to order fish and chips in any town south of London. When a British waitress spoke ENGLISH to me, I stared at my Chinese wife and said "ta shuo shenme?" All language comprehension is a complex neural activity where the phrase 'native language fluency' is an academic and political conceit.
OldAsiaHand
01-07-08, 17:14
Nightcat,
I reckon that they just do not listen at first. They have a preconceived notion that whatever we speak will be in English so they just shut down. I have even had instances when they actually converse with me in Chinese for a minute or so and then ask me if I can speak Chinese.
Although I have also noticed this same thing in Thailand to a certain extent, it is far more widespread in China.
Just my POV.
OAH
Nightcat,
I reckon that they just do not listen at first. They have a preconceived notion that whatever we speak will be in English so they just shut down.
OAH
Imagine you are sitting on a park bench and a dog walks up to you and asks, "please, what time is it"? You are so confused by this amazing phenomena that you just sit there scratching your head. The dog asks again "please, what time is it"? Now this is just incredible! You sit there looking at the dog and answer, "huh"?
The dog walks away, and then you call your friend and tell him what just happened.
Nightcat, I would also be interested to see what people say about other countries.
I appreciate the various comments, but my question was whether or not the same phenomenon occurs in other countries -- which only OAH and CPE addressed. From OAH's response, it seems that what I had suspected is the case, that it's something peculiar to China (at least in comparison to Thailand). From CPE's response, I see that the Greeks were surprised when he spoke Greek, but I did not gather from his response whether or not the phenomenon I described was happening (that they did not even recognize their own language at first when speaking it to them). Also, it appears that to some degree I've had the opposite experience of CPE's, that is, I find that English-speaking Chinese are even more likely to have this problem, not less likely (although they understand me well enough after they figure out which language I'm speaking, so in that sense my experience is consistent with his).
I guess there aren't many China mongers who've lived in a lot of different foreign countries, so maybe I'll post this question in some other countries' threads. Thanks for your attention to my inquiry.
Imagine you are sitting on a park bench and a dog walks up to you and asks, "please, what time is it"? You are so confused by this amazing phenomena that you just sit there scratching your head. The dog asks again "please, what time is it"? Now this is just incredible! You sit there looking at the dog and answer, "huh"?
The dog walks away, and then you call your friend and tell him what just happened.
Yes, we would be shocked that the dog spoke English. The Chinese, on the other hand, would not be shocked if the dog spoke perfect Chinese to them, because they wouldn't even notice that the dog was speaking Chinese (unless this went on for several minutes). They would just think, "another barking dog," and would not have anything to write home about.
I appreciate the various comments, but my question was whether or not the same phenomenon occurs in other countries -- which only OAH and CPE addressed. From OAH's response, it seems that what I had suspected is the case, that it's something peculiar to China (at least in comparison to Thailand). From CPE's response, I see that the Greeks were surprised when he spoke Greek, but I did not gather from his response whether or not the phenomenon I described was happening (that they did not even recognize their own language at first when speaking it to them). Also, it appears that to some degree I've had the opposite experience of CPE's, that is, I find that English-speaking Chinese are even more likely to have this problem, not less likely (although they understand me well enough after they figure out which language I'm speaking, so in that sense my experience is consistent with his).
I guess there aren't many China mongers who've lived in a lot of different foreign countries, so maybe I'll post this question in some other countries' threads. Thanks for your attention to my inquiry.Yes, it happens, even in good old US of A. I am an Asian, born and raised in Asia but who have lived in English speaking Western Countries most of my adult life. I learned English from early childhood till University and Graduate School. I spoke "perfect" Queen's English, Debated at High School and taught ESL to international students at High School & College and tutored Writing and Freshman classes at College. Even so, I have had occasions when English speaking folk would pause, and speak slowly and loudly to me even after they have overheard me speak with my friends and then they ask me where I come from. When I tell them the land of my birth, they would exclaim, "You speak such good English!"
Yes, we would be shocked that the dog spoke English. The Chinese, on the other hand, would not be shocked if the dog spoke perfect Chinese to them, because they wouldn't even notice that the dog was speaking Chinese (unless this went on for several minutes). They would just think, "another barking dog," and would not have anything to write home about.Again, I don't think your assertion is correct. Westerners who are fluent in Mandarin don't have this problem, only those who speak a few words or small phrases in Mandarin seem to experience this. I've had the same experience in New York trying to understand Pakastani taxi drivers.
Remember the scene in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" when Ferris leaves the Ferrari with the middle eastern looking parking attendent...
FERRIS-"Do you speak English?"
PARKING ATTENDENT- "Ah, What country do you think this is?"
FERRIS- "Close enough"
Again, I don't think your assertion is correct. Westerners who are fluent in Mandarin don't have this problem, only those who speak a few words or small phrases in Mandarin seem to experience this. I've had the same experience in New York trying to understand Pakastani taxi drivers.
My only assertion was that I had the experiences that I had (and so did several friends). If you're saying my assertion is not correct, I can only assure you that I did have those experiences.
Regarding whether fluency is a factor, this has happened to friends of mine who are fluent (or fluent within the vocabulary range of the conversation, e.g., see below).
Yes, it happens, even in good old US of A.
(snip)
I have had occasions when English speaking folk would pause, and speak slowly and loudly to me even after they have overheard me speak with my friends and then they ask me where I come from.
This is not the phenomenon I was asking about. The fact that they were speaking English to you at all means that they assumed you could understand it.
Regarding the phenomenon that you're talking about, I get the opposite treatment here in China. Once they know that I can speak Chinese, and then listen to me speak it for a bit, they start speaking to me as if I'm fluent. I have to ask them to dumb down their Chinese. Then they say, "but your pronunciation is very standard," and I have to say, "yeah, but that doesn't mean my vocabulary is all that big." Then they dumb it down for me.
It seems like most people who responded are talking about something other than the question I raised, so I'd like to drop the issue at this point. Thanks for your attention to my issue.
It seems like most people who responded are talking about something other than the question I raised, so I'd like to drop the issue at this point. Thanks for your attention to my issue.I know you want to drop this. But I was just wondering. Could it be that some of the folks you encountered were non-native Mandarin speakers themselves?
Many Chinese speak dialects other than Mandarin and may not be able to initially understand you, especially if they assumed that you don't speak Mandarin and they have geared themselves to listen to another language that they are not that fluent in (I. E. English).
So, in their minds, that is like switching gear twice between two languages which are not their normal first language.
For instance, I have difficulty trying to understand Mandarin spoken by Northern Chinese as opposed to Southerners and both groups sometimes note that my Mandarin is "foreign".
Dan Hawaii
02-09-08, 11:34
I defy anyone on this board to order fish and chips in any town south of London. When a British waitress spoke ENGLISH to me, I stared at my Chinese wife and said "ta shuo shenme?" All language comprehension is a complex neural activity where the phrase 'native language fluency' is an academic and political conceit.
Case in point, are you speaking English???:)
Dan Hawaii
02-09-08, 11:36
Imagine you are sitting on a park bench and a dog walks up to you and asks, "please, what time is it"? You are so confused by this amazing phenomena that you just sit there scratching your head. The dog asks again "please, what time is it"? Now this is just incredible! You sit there looking at the dog and answer, "huh"?
The dog walks away, and then you call your friend and tell him what just happened.
LOL, great analogy Santa. I think you get the first place answer to Night Cats' question.
Kind of called "Shock and Awe". hahahaha. Leaves the listener dumb founded.
Yes, we would be shocked that the dog spoke English. The Chinese, on the other hand, would not be shocked if the dog spoke perfect Chinese to them, because they wouldn't even notice that the dog was speaking Chinese (unless this went on for several minutes). They would just think, "another barking dog," and would not have anything to write home about.
Haha! That's probably true!!
I totally relate to what you are saying. Here are some possible reasons:
1. By and large Chinese don't have nearly the experience in relating to foreigners as say New Yorkers do, and they are often very poorly adept at guessing, or even comprehending that Chinese spoken by foreigners may not always sound exactly like Chinese spoken by locals. Bring a non-native English speaker (particularly an Asian native language speaker) to a small town in the South in America and you often notice the same type of thing, including the peoples' inability to naturally dumb-down their own talking.
2. Chinese is not a very clear language to begin with. Phonetically it is extremely difficult, and it is a language of literally thousands of homonyms. Much of the meaning is gained by context. Heck, even Chinese people quite often don't understand each other if they only speak in short sentences (I witness this all the time). Therefore it often takes a bit more than a few simple words before they can start putting context and meaning to what someone is saying, and combined with #1 above they probably are just assuming (first position) that the foreigners aren't speaking Chinese to begin with.
3. Most foreigners don't speak nearly as well as they sometimes think they do. I sometimes get irritated when a Chinese person doesn't understand something I said, and then later learned that I said it wrong (or somehow used to say it right then forgot the tones, etc.). Another case in point is walk into any small store or even get into a taxi in Shanghai (which foreigners ride constantly) and say more than 2 sentences even with only moderately acceptable pronunciation and the people will most likely proclaim "ni zhong wen shuo de bu cuo!" (or something similar). Those who do hear foreigners speaking Chinese hear mostly really crappy Chinese spoken by foreigners with all kinds of crazy accents, and very seldom hear foreigners speak anything that sounds like the Chinese they are accustomed to.
So, my feeling is that if the dog barked something really short like "what time?" with a really crappy accent then they'd probably not notice, as you said, whereas if the dog barked an entire sentence (more than 10 words, for example) in the accent of a native Chinese speaker they'd understand perfectly and without even trying.
SE Asia Joe
03-12-08, 04:45
Hey Moody, Eaglestar, clandestine 728, Scribe, Tuscan man, pHIL 980 -
YOU GUYS BEEN IMMORTALIZED on City Weekend Beijing!
Probably a good read to get an idea as to how "the rest" views us on ISG!!
SE Asia Joe
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w.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/
HOT SEX
People come to China for all sorts of reasons. Some come because they love Chinese language and culture. Others come to get rich, others for that noble expat goal of “finding oneself.” Then there is Clandestine782, a “reasonably well-endowed” senior member on the International Sex Guide forums. He came to China for another reason entirely. “I want to have some hot group sex,” writes Clandestine. “My friend and I would like two girls overnight in one room and one bed… I’ve been to many barbershops, but (we want girls that) are younger, tighter, and have marginally better attitudes.”
Expats like Clandestine can find answers to their sex tourism queries on the International Sex Guide forums (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/), an unashamed combination of wikipedia-esque prostitute knowledge and know-how, and a social networking site for likeminded sex “mongers”.
The forum professes to “facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.” To this end, the site offers general information about where members can get the best bang for their buck. This includes information ranging from the price for various services, the specialties of individual prostitutes, and even accounts of negative experiences like that which one poster encountered with a working girl named Hebe. “Her English was good, but her choice of turn-on talk was a little creepy! Example, ‘You are a grandfather! You can be my grandfather and I am your little girl! I am very sympathetic to needs of grandfather!’ Ick!”
Beyond the righteous pursuit of helping sex tourists avoid creepy situations, the International Sex Guide offers assistance to those visitors to China whose language limitations might otherwise impede their ability to get the best possible service. For example, a senior member of the China board posting under the name Moody explains that “bai hu” or “white tiger” is the proper nomenclature when requesting that your prostitute be shaved. Moody also does his best to let mongers know how to break the ice with a working girl. “(Try saying) ‘wo shi chu nan, souyi xiaoxin yi dian’. It means, ‘I’m a virgin man, so be a little careful’. Almost always gets a smile.” Now, why wasn’t that in my Lonely Planet guide?
From opinions on the most passionate working girls (Mongolians) to advice on the best place to go for cheap sex if you are strapped for cash (university English corners), the rest of the site is chock full of helpful tidbits on China’s most stimulating offerings. However, even when posters like Typical Tourist describe their one time lovers with mathematical precision (“the girl from the BBS was a definite 6”), it can be hard for other mongers to really get a clear picture in their mind. Fortunately, the ISG solves this problem by providing premium users with the option to post their own pictures and view those of others. Although forum rules stipulate that you can’t just send in pictures of yourself, posters are encouraged to send in photos of girls they meet in any state of “dress or undress.” One of the more frequent posters, Scribe, attached his recent photos from a trip to Shenzhen with the caption, “Here's a girl from a few days ago. She was overflowing with wobbly bits, but in all the right places. 150 smackeroonies.” One poster, Eaglestar, uploaded pictures of himself actually engaged in sexual congress with a prostitute some decades his junior, writing “This girl absolutely goes bananas in cowgirl (also saves my energy, which at my advanced age is important). Must have had 3 orgasms on top. Damn I love it.”
No other option on the site appears as popular, or as helpful in accomplishing what seems to be one of the primary goals for posters – to sleep with and then compare notes on the same girls as their compatriots. Some may argue that the pictures are no different than run-of-the-mill pornography, but combined with detailed descriptions of cost and service they feel more like Zagat’s restaurant reviews than centerfolds. “They seem to serve like bizarre advertisements to help guys who are interested in finding and sharing the same girls,” notes Amy Sennett, an executive assistant working in Shanghai. “Looking at the threads, these guys seem more interested in meeting up with each other and swapping war stories than in getting to know any women.”
Even Pay, a research fellow based in Beijing, believes sites like the International Sex Guide are symptomatic of a larger issue in China. “Male expats outnumber females by a decent measure here. Conversations run sexual and, without women around, guys tell their dirtiest war stories. If one or two have drunkenly found themselves with hookers, their stories excuse and inspire further indiscretions. Like anything taboo that has been excused within one’s circle, visiting prostitutes can become a sort of bond.”
Whether or not this is true of the expat male population as a whole, the ISG forums certainly offer curious mongers-to-be a readymade social circle that celebrates and facilitates sex tourism. However, don’t think the ISG forums are without policies on morality. Although posting sexual descriptions, explicit pictures and contact information for working girls is encouraged, rules have been put in place banning words like “*****” and “****” that are considered demeaning to women. Members also abide by a strict code. When one poster named Tuscan Man talked about his habit of spending 56,000 RMB a month on prostitutes, others were appalled. One poster called Phill980 went so far as to rebuke Tuscan Man harshly for talking about paying such an obscene amount of money… on The Cheap Sex Thread. “Anybody who is willing to spend more than 300 RMB on a girl a night, should please shut the f*ck up in this section.”
Maybe they should shut the f*ck up all together.
Hey Moody, Eaglestar, clandestine 728, Scribe, Tuscan man, pHIL 980 -
YOU GUYS BEEN IMMORTALIZED on City Weekend Beijing!
Probably a good read to get an idea as to how "the rest" views us on ISG!!
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Dodged that bullet: Blog has been up since Jan, and apparently attracted no undue attention.
Hahaha, funny to be featured when I don't even post much on here. I'm looking forward to visiting China this summer for four months.
If anybody here is in Guangdong Province, in Wuhan or in Dandong around end of May/beginning of June, please send me a private message if you want to drink some beer and look for some girls together.
Ragnarok42
03-13-08, 01:27
Hey Moody, Eaglestar, clandestine 728, Scribe, Tuscan man, pHIL 980 -
YOU GUYS BEEN IMMORTALIZED on City Weekend Beijing!
Probably a good read to get an idea as to how "the rest" views us on ISG!!
SE Asia Joe
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w.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/
Seems like this reporter spent a lot of time and read a lot of the forum. Really DID his homework ;-) Probably wacked himself off watching the juicy pics Eaglestar posts of his freebies.
Seems like this reporter spent a lot of time and read a lot of the forum. Really DID his homework ;-) Probably wacked himself off watching the juicy pics Eaglestar posts of his freebies.
IMHO.................
The way I see it, if there is too much publicity, big brother will start clamping down. They might block this site and start raiding more. Especially even more with the Olympics this summer. Result, causing the price to go up.
China is not like German, Holland, Thailand or PI
Just my 2 yuan.........
w.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/
ey, I have a friend...
really though, I've known this 19 year old over a year, patiently waiting my turn, she's a poor college girl in Guilin, peasant may fit her & her family.
The other day by phone SMS she told me she is 2 months pregnant, the conversation went into her needing help paying for an abortion.
I'd prolly drop a couple RMB to help her out, Once, her having a baby now would surely turn the rest of her life into an umimproving one.
I have no idea what a common abortion costs in a small city like Guilin, any city for that matter.
She said 4000RMB, including the week in hospital recovering.
Does that sound right?
Of course I fear she is just using this as an excuse to get money from me, so I'm asking what an abortion may cost?
Sure, we all know it's a bad thing so no need mention that.
I thought abortions in China Public Health hospitals are free.
Please check with Chinese Embassy whether this is true.
I know abortions were free before unless they changed the procedure.
It had everything to do to control the birth rate.
Before any girl getting pregnant before her 20 th birthday was an automatic free abortion.
Maybe your girl is going to get it done in a private hospital. As I know there is no need to stay in hospital for seven days. Here in USA it is same day procedure. In China maybe two days max to check for bleeding and infection.
I would suggest take couple of home pregnancy test kits and do it yourself to make sure she is pregnant. These test kits are 99.99% accurate.
It is possible this is a scam to get money from you.
4000 is far to much a half decent beijing hospital charges about 1500 maximum of course the girl will also loose some earning whatever she does however at the end of the day 4000 is not a lot to help a friend out
Crazy Jim Wood
03-15-08, 16:29
According to several 2008 newspaper articles, abortions are 1000 RMB (less if you skip anesthesia) at Haidian Maternal and Child Health Hospital in Beijing, tel 82871460.
The article said that it was a "walk-in" service, which to me suggests that no hospital stay is necessary. If anything, she might rest at home 2-3 days. A week-long hospital stay seems unlikely.
I would suspect a smaller local hospital would be cheaper.
Give her 1000 RMB, and if she wants more, tell her to bring the receipt and pay on the receipt.
Having the reciept you will also know that she actually got the abortion.
ey, I have a friend...
really though, I've known this 19 year old over a year, patiently waiting my turn, she's a poor college girl in Guilin, peasant may fit her & her family.
The other day by phone SMS she told me she is 2 months pregnant, the conversation went into her needing help paying for an abortion.
I'd prolly drop a couple RMB to help her out, Once, her having a baby now would surely turn the rest of her life into an umimproving one.
I have no idea what a common abortion costs in a small city like Guilin, any city for that matter.
She said 4000RMB, including the week in hospital recovering.
Does that sound right?
Of course I fear she is just using this as an excuse to get money from me, so I'm asking what an abortion may cost?
Sure, we all know it's a bad thing so no need mention that.
According to several 2008 newspaper articles, abortions are 1000 RMB (less if you skip anesthesia) at Haidian Maternal and Child Health Hospital in Beijing, tel 82871460.
The article said that it was a "walk-in" service, which to me suggests that no hospital stay is necessary. If anything, she might rest at home 2-3 days. A week-long hospital stay seems unlikely.
I would suspect a smaller local hospital would be cheaper.
Give her 1000 RMB, and if she wants more, tell her to bring the receipt and pay on the receipt.
Having the reciept you will also know that she actually got the abortion.
I concur with you totally, the abortion cost should be around 1000RMB and there is no need to stay in the hospital at all. All you need is about 4 hours of rest in the clinic or hospital for the anesthesia to be over.
My girl friend went for the abortion about noon ,rested for the 4 hours and she was able to walk and took a cab home.
I have a feeling that she is in need of money and taking this as an excuse. She did not do her homework in presenting the details to you.
Just my POV.
GlenEagle
Ragnarok42
03-17-08, 00:59
IMHO.................
The way I see it, if there is too much publicity, big brother will start clamping down. They might block this site and start raiding more. Especially even more with the Olympics this summer. Result, causing the price to go up.
China is not like German, Holland, Thailand or PI
Just my 2 yuan.........
Agreed, any publicity is bad publicity. But I have a feeling the authorities already now many, if not all, of our locations. But keeping it quiet will definately keep us all free of interference and the information flowing.
well...
I thought the cost was in the under 2k neighborhood, `Thanks for confirming it guys.
Presently, she is "acting" angry at me for questioning her about the cost & not just giving her the 4k, she's now saying her boy really loves her & will marry her, but,
she still agrees with me that quitting college, getting married & having a baby at her age is not a good life choice, she wants to secretly get the abortion, but since I won't help her...
I like the idea of bringing a test kit but I'm pretty sure she would tell me that I'm a bad guy for not believing her
I'll wait a couple weeks for her message telling me she misscarried or found the cash on her own through one of her real friends..
SE Asia Joe
03-17-08, 11:28
well...
I thought the cost was in the under 2k neighborhood, `Thanks for confirming it guys.
Presently, she is "acting" angry at me for questioning her about the cost & not just giving her the 4k, she's now saying her boy really loves her & will marry her, but,
she still agrees with me that quitting college, getting married & having a baby at her age is not a good life choice, she wants to secretly get the abortion, but since I won't help her...
I like the idea of bringing a test kit but I'm pretty sure she would tell me that I'm a bad guy for not believing her
I'll wait a couple weeks for her message telling me she misscarried or found the cash on her own through one of her real friends..
Oh wow!
You mean to tell us that you did NOT knock her up?
And that you knew it was her BF who did the dirty on her?
And that she has he nerve to go asking YOU to pay for the abortion and not her BF?
And that you were actually considering to give her the money even though it really has nuthin' to do w/you?
Oh wow - sounds like my buddy the old fart who's proposing to help out a previously wealthy family gal back on her feet/married off to some decent, well heeled young buck by subsidising her monthly expenses.
SEAJ
sorry to let ya down but we can't all be as heartless & ignorant of the Chinese game as you Joe.
as I said, I'm patiently waiting my turn for this hot piece of candy & she is kind of a friend, even though she thinks I'm a stupid rich foreigner.
SE Asia Joe
03-17-08, 12:04
sorry to let ya down but we can't all be as heartless & ignorant of the Chinese game as you Joe.
as I said, I'm patiently waiting my turn for this hot piece of candy & she is kind of a friend, even though she thinks I'm a stupid rich foreigner.
NOW - you've really hurt my feelings!!
Oh poor poor me.
errr.... howzabout you introducin' some of the pieces of candy you're patiently waiting in turn for? I promise I'll take care of her well and hand her over to you in good shape - anytime you want her AFTERWArds. And in much better shape than she would have been - with how some of 'em local young buck would be treatin' them!
Sure, Really, True, Honest Injun'!!
SEAJ
Guys -
Need your help. It seems my 2 most favorite girls (one Chinese, and one Mongolian) each suffer from the same affliction - that nasty fishy smell down below. I have googled it, but all I get area lot of jokes. I assume it is some kind of infection, as I have been with girls in the past where it has come and gone. What medicine do I need to purchase for them to clear this up? If you could give me the chinese name of the stuff that would be great.
Forever in your debt,
Sammy
FrequentTravel
03-17-08, 13:38
STDs
@ Sammy: Not that easy to recommend a medicine. My advise would be to sent them to see a doctor. There are some different STDs (Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and so on, even a normal Urethritis) which can cause that fishy smell. (I suppose hygiene is not a matter, so to say shower/washing).
There are two nasty things about this, first a lot of women don´t show any symptoms (like change of the outer appearance of the pussy, discharge, itching or something alike). Second, they have to be treated differently, mostly with Antibiotics, but different ones. And on occasion even treated basically with the right Antibiotic the agent might be resistant against that treatment which would require alternative treatment. The doctor will just make a smear test and 2 or 3 days later the agent should be identified and proper Antibiotics can be taken.
Take care,
FT
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Old Mean Dog
03-17-08, 15:46
Guys -
Need your help. It seems my 2 most favorite girls (one Chinese, and one Mongolian) each suffer from the same affliction - that nasty fishy smell down below. I have googled it, but all I get area lot of jokes. I assume it is some kind of infection, as I have been with girls in the past where it has come and gone. What medicine do I need to purchase for them to clear this up? If you could give me the chinese name of the stuff that would be great.
Forever in your debt,
Sammy
Might be Trick. I had this once and never had any symptoms, but my gf (at the time) contracted a cheese smell and went to the doc where she was diagnosed with it. Her doc said I was the carrier, so I went to see my doctor who prescibed me some medication as well. Got this from the internet:
Trichomoniasis is a genital infection. It is a common infection that affects both men and women. It is almost always acquired through sexual contact.
Most of the time, trichomoniasis causes no symptoms. At times, symptoms in women may include the following:
+ abdominal distress
+ dyspareunia, or painful sexual intercourse
+ painful urination
+ vaginal discharge
+ abnormal odor in the vaginal area
Diagnosis of trichomoniasis begins with a history and physical exam. With proper treatment, trichomoniasis has no long-term effects.
+ Diflucan is an antifungal antibiotic.
+ Diflucan is used to treat infections caused by fungus, which can invade any part of the body including the mouth, throat, esophagus, lungs, bladder, genital area, and the blood.
Metronidazole is highly effective against trichomoniasis.
Or it could be "Thrush", which is a yeast infection and you could have given it to them as well.
-CPE
Might be Trick. ...Or it could be "Thrush", which is a yeast infection and you could have given it to them as well.
-CPE
Thanks! Each girl had the stink on my first encounter with them, but I am probably a carrier now. I will look into the medicine you recommended.
Sammy
FrequentTravel
03-17-08, 17:57
@sammy:
due to not being senior memeber my reports are delayed. cpe might be right but i would see a doctor to make sure. had some similar issue not long ago and tried "self medication" with internet research and different antibiotics with little success. (i know, kind of stupid) after the agent had been identified by a doctor it was an issue of 10 days of antibiotics. in my case i caught an ordinary urethritis (i had some symptoms like itching/burning while peeing) from a chinese gf which didn´t show any symptoms apart from occasional smell. of course she was treated too, no more problems since then.
btw, in our case first treatment was with doxycyclin but due to the agent being resistant second and successful treatment was with cefaclor.
regards,
ft
Thanks! Each girl had the stink on my first encounter with them, but I am probably a carrier now. I will look into the medicine you recommended.
Sammy
Sammy: It could indeed be yeast infection (candida,) or trichomoniasis (a parasite,) it could be chlamydia or mycoplasma (both caused by similar bacteria.) In most of these, men show no symptoms, but are carriers. All need different medications. Medications must be taken by both in order to avoid the ping-pong effect. Chinese hospitals usually are not good at diagnosing these diseases. I'd seek the advice of SOS or United Family.
If you want to go the DIY route:
A bomb of one (or better two) grams azithromycin, taken once, kills any traces of chlamydia, mycoplasma, and probably hundreds of other bugs in your body.
As mentioned below, metronidazole or tinidazole are effective against trichomoniasis. 2 grams single dose. Or twice for good measure.
Yeast infection is usually treated with monistat for the woman, but again, there is ping-pong. Oral diflucan for both is better.
Crazy Jim Wood
03-17-08, 18:50
I'm with SE Asia Joe. How absurd, paying for someone else's mess like that. There are 2 billion other Chinese women out there, no doubt a few of whom have not been knocked up yet. No need to wait in line for any of them. They should be waiting for you.
Tell her that you respect her as an adult and hope that she can make her way through this problem on her own and that years from know she will thank you for allowing her to do so, since the experience will make her a stronger person.
When she starts crying, ply her with alcohol, fuck her silly, and give her a few hundred for taxi fare. That's fair.
She ain't your friend if she is still going back to the BF. You're just paying top dollar for sloppy seconds (please, don't tell me you aren't even getting sloppy seconds), which makes you a STUPID RICH FOREIGNER.
Tell her that she is free to contact you again once she has aborted the fetus and ditched the BF.
Now, take your 1000 RMB and fuck a KTV girl. Sit back and smoke a cigarette. That will put you in a proper frame of mind to consider what to do with some b1tch with another man's fetus waiting to be aborted inside of her.
Oh wow!
You mean to tell us that you did NOT knock her up?
And that you knew it was her BF who did the dirty on her?
And that she has he nerve to go asking YOU to pay for the abortion and not her BF?
SEAJ
OldAsiaHand
03-18-08, 04:35
Hainanien,
It is obvious that she is trying to con you out of money telling you the abortion is 4k. Her BF may have even put her up to it. Wake up, my friend.
Just my POV.
OAH
sorry to let ya down but we can't all be as heartless & ignorant of the Chinese game as you Joe.
as I said, I'm patiently waiting my turn for this hot piece of candy & she is kind of a friend, even though she thinks I'm a stupid rich foreigner.
...telling you the abortion is 4k.
I have a Mongolian friend who recently underwent this procedure in Beijing. I asked her how much it cost, and she told me 4000 RMB. Surprised it was so much, having read in sevreal places that it should cost around 1000 RMB, I asked her to show me the fa piao. It was from a local Chinese hospital, and the details were in Chinese. The total at the bottom of the multi-page statement was 4000 RMB. Maybe she added something else on to the basic procedure, or perhaps the Chinese were ripping her off because she was also a foreigner, but I believe that is what she really paid.
Sammy
Red Rock II
03-18-08, 09:06
Hainanien,
I did not read your initial post carefully. I thought it was you or it was possibly you to get her pregnant. Now I realize that you have nothing to with her (real or fake) pregnancy. Are you Ok? Why do you want to help someone that you don't even trust? I completely agree with Joe and Jim, why do you want to clean the mess she and her fucking partner left. What is going on there days? An old fart wants to throw out 2000RMB/month to help a gal to get back on track, now you want to donate 1000RMB~4000RMB to help a gal to get out of trouble so she can continue to fuck around. You make me feel that I am the only heartless person in the world!
If you want to take it as an investment so you can move up a little bit on her waiting list, then the question you asked is legitmated and all the advice and information in previous posts are helpful, such as normal price for an abortion in china, getting the receipts before sending the money and so on.
RR
I guess my writing was not clear enough to be understood when read by some.
My Friend, a nice young girl with a possibly bright future, that I happen to be trying / waiting to screw, asked me for help, I guess I should say she Finally asked as most do or will in time, but she has been pretty straight up with me about most things since I’ve known her, so…
I came here asking the price as I doubted her for a number of reasons & got a few good replies about the cost.
I said `thanks for confirming it guys & thought I made it clear that I’m not giving money but instead waiting for her to tell me the problem went away.
I’ve, I’ll & I have no trouble giving a nice girl that are my friends that I’m confident will lay me in time a thousand or so rmb to help her out, it’s part of the game here.
Often the return IMO, is much better & longer than dropping the same amount on a KTV girl.
& sure, she has a boyfriend, pretty sure he is the 2nd guy she's had, , most non virgins here do have boyfriend/s, but again, IMO that is better than a new guy or so most nights of the week the ktv girl has & he gives me a perfect reason to not go into a serious relationship with her.
She's one of the good girls we see walking down the street wishing we can have a couple weekends or nights, or minutes with, I'd bet a high number of readers here would jump at the chance to do her for 1 to 4000rmb. `this one, I can if I play my game correctly.
Nuf said.
Mock A Bee
03-19-08, 02:11
Regarding Hainanien and his little friend who may or may not actually be pregnant, it seems that he has enough experience in China to know that scams are 10 fen a dozen.
We all play our little game a little differently.
Yes, the "I am pregnant, I need money for an abortion" scam has been played out thousands and thousands of times.
But once in a while, there really is a pretty young thing that does need a bit of help. Maybe her boyfriend is just a local guy on a local salary, and he truly can't afford it. Who knows? maybe she really is pregnant. Plenty of girls get pregnant by accident. Many don't know the first thing about human reproduction, they certainly are not taught much if anything in school.
As well, she could be scamming the hell out of him and he knows this, but is just his way of trying to get into her panties... well, tons of guys do all sorts of stuff to get some snatch.
Well, to each our own style and way of doing things.
It sounds like Hainanien has a reasonable mind about this and knows enough of the dangers and scams that some but not necessarily all of these girls play.
Time to move on!
MAB
OK, I am back asking about this subject again. But I have a slight spin on my question this time.
Is there a difference in buying a property such as an apartment in China as a Hong Kong citizen or U.S. citizen?
What are the pros and cons for each citizenship, if any?
Bill
Crazy Jim Wood
03-26-08, 22:44
If buying as an American, I believe that you may have to prove residency, a problem if you don't have the right visa. HK citizens may have similar requirements, but I would imagine that it is easier for them.
Are you paying up front or financing? I believe that there are some differences in financing: if you can even get financing as an American, you may not get as good a rate is a Chinese citizen. Don't know if HK citizenship is considered any differently than Chinese citizenship.
Also, I don't think you actually "own" the land, since it is a communist country, you may just own the building or have rights to the building for however many years. I would assume being a Chinese citizen gives you some additional benefits over being American here as well, but don't know if HK citizenship is considered any differently than Chinese citizenship.
My guess is being a HK citizen would be better than being a U.S. citizen.
CJW
OK, I am back asking about this subject again. But I have a slight spin on my question this time.
Is there a difference in buying a property such as an apartment in China as a Hong Kong citizen or U.S. citizen?
What are the pros and cons for each citizenship, if any?
Bill
This is an open question. All answers to any options are welcome.
What is consider proof of residence for an American in China? Like would it be certain class Visa?
Thanks Jim.
Bill
Are you paying up front or financing? I believe that there are some differences in financing: if you can even get financing as an American, you may not get as good a rate is a Chinese citizen. Don't know if HK citizenship is considered any differently than Chinese citizenship.
Also, I don't think you actually "own" the land, since it is a communist country, you may just own the building or have rights to the building for however many years. I would assume being a Chinese citizen gives you some additional benefits over being American here as well, but don't know if HK citizenship is considered any differently than Chinese citizenship.
My guess is being a HK citizen would be better than being a U.S. citizen.
CJW
Crazy Jim Wood
03-26-08, 23:00
Even if you do get financing, I think you still need to pay 25% down.
Of course, if the property is in someone else's name, having a mortgage gives you some more security as they still have to pay the mortgage even if you're not in the picture, which makes it a little harder to push you out of the picture. I would also try to get my name on the paperwork, because then if someone tries to sell the property without you, it will cause them a hassle.
Figure on adding another 10% for silly closing costs.
Also note the difference between "maopi" (unfinished) and finished buildings.
It is cheaper to get "mao pi" but then you have to buy all of the materials, hire, and supervise a bunch of Chinese construction workers as they finish your building.
They have all types of crazy scams to bilk you for a few kuai here and there, you know, especially over charging for supplies, but if you buy all of your own supplies and give them to the workers, you can save quite a bit, but it is a major headache.
CJW
This by no means complete and reliable picture based on input of Chinese who usually know what they are talking about:
- Anybody who's got the money can buy the house or apartment.
- You are buying 70 year leases on the land. They can be extended at the end or bought back by the state at (supposedly) market value.
- No proof of residency required. The property can become your residence (if you qualify for resident status) or you can rent it out.
- No difference between HK, US, or any other aliens for that matter. HK citizens considered foreigners for above purposes.
- Its hard to impossible to obtain a mortgage being a foreigner. Quote: "It might be possible if he has assets and income in the country, but we haven't heard of a foreigner who got a mortgage. They all use cash."
- Using a Chinese national as a front to obtain a mortgage is a favorite ploy, but hazardous. There are numerous stories of the front person (usually a Chinese girl working with a laowei) ending up with at least half. Legalese is hard to read, and harder to enforce. Now imagine Chinese legalese ....
- When doing the transaction, make sure that the money will come in through official channels, or you will have problems repatriating the funds should you leave.
This by no means complete and reliable picture based on input of Chinese who usually know what they are talking about:
- Anybody who's got the money can buy the house or apartment.
- You are buying 70 year leases on the land. They can be extended at the end or bought back by the state at (supposedly) market value.
- No proof of residency required. The property can become your residence (if you qualify for resident status) or you can rent it out.
- No difference between HK, US, or any other aliens for that matter. HK citizens considered foreigners for above purposes.
- Its hard to impossible to obtain a mortgage being a foreigner. Quote: "It might be possible if he has assets and income in the country, but we haven't heard of a foreigner who got a mortgage. They all use cash."
- Using a Chinese national as a front to obtain a mortgage is a favorite ploy, but hazardous. There are numerous stories of the front person (usually a Chinese girl working with a laowei) ending up with at least half. Legalese is hard to read, and harder to enforce. Now imagine Chinese legalese ....
- When doing the transaction, make sure that the money will come in through official channels, or you will have problems repatriating the funds should you leave.
Zhuren,
I do have a few friends who have gotten loans, and I mean both husband and wife were laowai,,,but I myself couldn't get a loan "cause I was a Laowai",,,
In cities like BJ and SH I have heard that foreign banks will give a decision on a loan application to a foreigner within 7-10 days of the application paperwork being completed.
Also, these people with loans had the joy of, I think at least 7 interest rate rises in 2007,,,,
Zhuren,
I do have a few friends who have gotten loans, and I mean both husband and wife were laowai,,,but I myself couldn't get a loan "cause I was a Laowai",,,
In cities like BJ and SH I have heard that foreign banks will give a decision on a loan application to a foreigner within 7-10 days of the application paperwork being completed.
Also, these people with loans had the joy of, I think at least 7 interest rate rises in 2007,,,,
I imagine if they have an existing property in the US or Europe, and a credit history with their respective banks, something along those lines could be arranged, say with Citi, Deutsche, or HSBC. I'd hate having to pay off a loan in USD from China.
One item of note for the AARP crowd who hopes to retire (or continue banging 20somethings) in China:
At age 60, all your Z visas are normally voided and you are sent home, unless:
- You own a company in China
- You own real estate in China
Loveasiangirls
03-27-08, 13:45
A few additional comments on this topics. In some cities you need to be a resident of that city for at least one year before you can acquire a property. This is the case of Beijing, shanghai and Tianjian.
To buy a property you need a chinese name. The chinese name needs to be notarized.
Last, Get a good lawyer. Many transactions are fraudulent. Also getting advice from a sex web site to buy real estate may not be the most reliable source, hahaha!
Speaking of real estate advice on a sex site:
I recommend against buying in BJ at the moment for two reasons:
1.) Crack-down on adult entertainment. See Beijing section.
2.) Real estate in BJ has all signs of a tremendous bubble. Vacany rates are already sky high and building continues unabated.
Some time after the Olympics will probably be the best time to re-enter both markets.
A few additional comments on this topics. In some cities you need to be a resident of that city for at least one year before you can acquire a property. This is the case of Beijing, shanghai and Tianjian.
To buy a property you need a chinese name. The chinese name needs to be notarized.
Last, Get a good lawyer. Many transactions are fraudulent. Also getting advice from a sex web site to buy real estate may not be the most reliable source, hahaha!
Sorry, I disagree on the name issue. Never use a Chinese name on any important documents unless you are from China, HK, Taiwan or Macau,,the reason is that you have no official documents from your own country using that Chinese name. Your apartment title deeds can and should be in your own name (as in your passport ie not in Chinese characters), in the past when I had the green resident permit I used my "self given" Chinese name to open bank accounts etc, but now I always use my original name as on my passport, because now the Chinese government doesn't issue the greenbook any more so there is no official document from the PSB showing both your "self given" Chinese name and your real name.
The danger of using a Chinese name is that in the future if the government wants to be strict they can say that you have no reconised ID documents with that name on them.
I had to close my bank account that i opened with my Chinese name and it was a fkng pain to do so,,,because my passport name and bank account name was different.
Concur 100%. Names must be the EXACT ones as printed on passport. Nothing else. I have THREE first names which I hadn't used since I've been born. Here in China, they are now official. Occasionally, they even make me write the whole list of names on the exit card ....
Sorry, I disagree on the name issue. Never use a Chinese name on any important documents unless you are from China, HK, Taiwan or Macau,,the reason is that you have no official documents from your own country using that Chinese name. Your apartment title deeds can and should be in your own name (as in your passport ie not in Chinese characters), in the past when I had the green resident permit I used my "self given" Chinese name to open bank accounts etc, but now I always use my original name as on my passport, because now the Chinese government doesn't issue the greenbook any more so there is no official document from the PSB showing both your "self given" Chinese name and your real name.
The danger of using a Chinese name is that in the future if the government wants to be strict they can say that you have no reconised ID documents with that name on them.
I had to close my bank account that i opened with my Chinese name and it was a fkng pain to do so,,,because my passport name and bank account name was different.
One item of note for the AARP crowd who hopes to retire (or continue banging 20somethings) in China:
At age 60, all your Z visas are normally voided and you are sent home, unless:
- You own a company in China
- You own real estate in China
For what ever this is worth, the above is not 100% accurate (noting however that Zhuren did say 'normally'). I am well above 60 and work as the manager for a joint venture company. I have no real estate and do not have an equity in the company but have had no problems getting visas. Maybe this will change but for now all is well.
ES
I guessed you are not a teenager, but now I know you are over 60 and getting all that pussy,,,I have to say,,,you are a hero!
For what ever this is worth, the above is not 100% accurate (noting however that Zhuren did say 'normally'). I am well above 60 and work as the manager for a joint venture company. I have no real estate and do not have an equity in the company but have had no problems getting visas. Maybe this will change but for now all is well.
ES
Ok, ok, then let me be more precise:
- Unless you own a company or are the legal representative of a company, usually a WOFE, or JV.
Called a friend who's a manager of one of those big international banks, and asked him whether I, being a laowei, could get a loan for a piece of property here in China.
He said: "Sure."
Now I've been with that bank for 25 years, and he's a friend, so YMMV. But there doesn't seem a general prohibition for a foreigner to mortgage a Chinese property.
Loveasiangirls
04-01-08, 06:14
Concur 100%. Names must be the EXACT ones as printed on passport. Nothing else. I have THREE first names which I hadn't used since I've been born. Here in China, they are now official. Occasionally, they even make me write the whole list of names on the exit card ....Sure I have a bank account in my exact name but this real estate we are talking about. This is what I have been toold (unanimously). In any case I will find out soon when I buy my apartment. I guess all official records are only in chinese characters.
Cooler Wolf2
04-02-08, 06:06
- Its hard to impossible to obtain a mortgage being a foreigner. Quote: "It might be possible if he has assets and income in the country, but we haven't heard of a foreigner who got a mortgage. They all use cash."
I have a mortgage on a property here in Dalian. I am single (though soon to be married) and obviously a foreigner. I arranged the mortgage with the Bank of China when I went to the house viewing. I also asked them if they needed to see copies of credit reports from back home but they said it was unnecessary.
As long as you can put down a minimum of 30% deposit (as a first home buyer in China), provide a stamped form from your company verifying your salary details, and obviously your passport & visa details, that is all that was needed.
As for property bubbles, I did see in a recent TV report that Shenzhen house prices are said to have dropped by 30% over the last few months. Maybe some of the 'southern boys' can confirm that.
Or alternatively maybe we can just get back to the topic of sex. As OAH likes to say:
'Where the pussy at?"
China Maverick
04-02-08, 08:02
I agree with Cooler but I also read a press report in SZ that the rates may further slide until May/June as the real buyers still have a "Wait and watch" attitude.
I also checked with Stanchart in SZ and they confirmed loans for laowei's with similar conditions as Cooler mentioned!
Cheers,
CM
Crazy Jim Wood
04-02-08, 16:02
It is quite possible that I may have a condo to sell in the next few months... it was built on 2005, furnished, two bedrooms, two bathrooms, refrigerator, washing machine, burner, pots, pans, sofas, beds, curtains, rugs, etc, located in Tongzhou, 3 minutes to subway, super market/mall right next door, plenty of laowai's in the same complex, the mortgage may be assumable (especially if you're Chinese)... I believe that it is about $500 a month, I believe that the original price was $60,000 in 2005, of which I paid $15,000 down plus another $12,000 or so in finishing construction, furnishing, closing costs, etc.
Obviously I'd want to get my principle back, and don't want to pay any closing costs, but I'm sure I can offer a competitive price and I'm not going to play any legal tricks on the laowai, being a laowai myself.
PM me if interested.
Crazy Jim Wood
04-02-08, 21:19
No, you don't need to be a resident of Beijing for one year. Perhaps there are other factors involved, but not being a city resident is not a bar to acquiring property in Beijing.
A few additional comments on this topics. In some cities you need to be a resident of that city for at least one year before you can acquire a property. This is the case of Beijing, shanghai and Tianjian.
Loveasiangirls
04-02-08, 23:35
No, you don't need to be a resident of Beijing for one year. Perhaps there are other factors involved, but not being a city resident is not a bar to acquiring property in Beijing.I don't want to start an argument on a serious topic like real estate on a sex site. I will slightly correct my statement, you need to have been a resident of China for one year. The rule was introduced in 2006 and effective since early 2007. Quote from the China Daily:
"Early this year, a new rule was announced requiring foreigners living in Beijing to get certificates from the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau to prove they have been in China for at least one year for work or study before buying property.
The rule also banned foreigners from buying more than one house or using it for anything other than residential purposes."
I was told about the city residence rule by some professionals (head of HR for a large multinational), This presentation is also interesting:
http://www.britcham.org/upload/publications/141/DannyQuah.pdf
This is also a good summary:
http://community.travelchinaguide.com/forum2.asp?i=43170
But seriously, one should get professional advice.
Travel Dog
04-03-08, 05:02
My two cents on this name thing
Using your English name preferable but some Chinese agencies will insist on a Chinese Name. You can get around the name problem by getting an "official translation" of you passport by the local PSB which shows both your English name and your Chinese name. I have used this method to buy a house (with a bank mortgage), buy and register a car and it is on the birth certificate (Fukou Bu) of my newborn son.
That all being said, the rules change often, so what worked for me, in GuangDong my be a problem somewhere else in China. My advice is to just go for it.
Sorry, I disagree on the name issue. Never use a Chinese name on any important documents unless you are from China, HK, Taiwan or Macau,,the reason is that you have no official documents from your own country using that Chinese name. Your apartment title deeds can and should be in your own name (as in your passport ie not in Chinese characters), in the past when I had the green resident permit I used my "self given" Chinese name to open bank accounts etc, but now I always use my original name as on my passport, because now the Chinese government doesn't issue the greenbook any more so there is no official document from the PSB showing both your "self given" Chinese name and your real name.
The danger of using a Chinese name is that in the future if the government wants to be strict they can say that you have no reconised ID documents with that name on them.
I had to close my bank account that i opened with my Chinese name and it was a fkng pain to do so,,,because my passport name and bank account name was different.
Need help with International Labor Day in China ( May 1 Thursday )
I am planning my schedule for China. In the past Labor Day Holiday was for one long week. Millions of Chinese traveling domestically and internationally. Travel fares double and triple and advance bookings must be made weeks, even months ahead. Furthermore, hoards of tour groups flock to the major tourist destinations in China.
I was told since there were so many people traveling in the past, the government was trying to spread the holiday into something like a few other day.
My question is, has Labor Day changed or is it still for 1 long week?
Thanks......
Loveasiangirls
04-04-08, 06:14
Need help with International Labor Day in China ( May 1 Thursday )
I am planning my schedule for China. In the past Labor Day Holiday was for one long week. Millions of Chinese traveling domestically and internationally. Travel fares double and triple and advance bookings must be made weeks, even months ahead, and hoards of tour groups flock to the major tourist destinations in China.
I was told since there were so many people traveling in the past, the government was trying to spread the holiday into something like a few other day.
My question is, has Labor Day changed or is it still for 1 long week?
Thanks......It is now 3 days. I never found that travelling on May 1 was bad. As I travel by plane and typically chinese can only afford buses or trains. High end hotels have good deals are there are no business travellers. But some tourists sites were really full. Not sure what will happen this year.
Has anyone been applying a visa for China after April 1st. In all places that I asked, no more F visa available and only single, or at the most double entry.
There are rumours that in HK they even only give 15 days now. And extensions in China next to impossible.
FrequentTravel
04-04-08, 11:19
Has anyone been applying a visa for China after April 1st. In all places that I asked, no more F visa available and only single, or at the most double entry.
There are rumours that in HK they even only give 15 days now. And extensions in China next to impossible.Can confirm for Germany. Been on F visa the last 4 years (1 year, Multiple Entry, 90 days each stay). This time still got an F visa but single entry, 30 days stay, valid for 3 months although the invitation was explicit mentioning 1 year, multiple entry, 90 days. The single entry, 30 days stay is the most you are able to get at the moment. Unless you are invited from the Chinese government or the ministry of foreign affairs: In this case perhaps you may be granted 2 entries, each stay up to 60 days.
Official reason: Changes of the (computer) system at the Chinese embassies.
Take care,
FT
According to the Chinese working in my office, first week of May still long holiday. Maybe they are putting me on ....
OTOH, we are working today when it's official "Grave Dusting Day" (or somesuch...) I required proof of graves to be dusted .....
Need help with International Labor Day in China ( May 1 Thursday )
I am planning my schedule for China. In the past Labor Day Holiday was for one long week. Millions of Chinese traveling domestically and internationally. Travel fares double and triple and advance bookings must be made weeks, even months ahead. Furthermore, hoards of tour groups flock to the major tourist destinations in China.
I was told since there were so many people traveling in the past, the government was trying to spread the holiday into something like a few other day.
My question is, has Labor Day changed or is it still for 1 long week?
Thanks......
Has anyone been applying a visa for China after April 1st. In all places that I asked, no more F visa available and only single, or at the most double entry.
There are rumours that in HK they even only give 15 days now. And extensions in China next to impossible.
"No more F visa available" may be an exaggeration. Howver, there are constant reports that (M)ultiple Entry visa with 90 days are in extremely short supply. Folks who previously had F90/M are now being issued F30/2 .
YMMV
Recommendation: Do not use visa agency. DIY. Visa agencies under a lot of scrutiny.
Crazy Jim Wood
04-04-08, 13:43
There is certainly great variation between China's provinces and municipalities.
This relates to Beijing.
I usually register with the police when I'm not staying in a regular hotel, and they just told me to chose a Chinese name, and always use the same one in the future.
This Chinese name is linked to your passport number in their computer system.
I used that registration to get a driver's license.
I also had to list ana ddress, a phone number, tell them who lived at that address, explain my relationship (she is a friend is all that you need to say), whether that person owned, rented, etc, what that person did, and they called that phone number to verify that I was actually staying there and to get her information.
So, suppose you go to China and stay with one girlfriend, then go again and stay with another girlfriend, if the second girl accompanies you to the police station, she will quite likely see the old input.
Now, the good side is, most girls don't want to go to the police station to explain their relationship with the laowai.
However, you most likely want to have all your ducks in a row to avoid uncomfortable questions, and you also want to make sure that you can explain yourself, and whoever you're staying with can answer any questions that might be posed.
But the police will print out a registration card that has your Chinese name and you can use for whatever (driver's license in my case).
Now, I only registered because I needed the card, and I had actually been in country for a week travelling all over without registering, and they scolded me. I just said sorry and they backdated the registration. Didn't have to sign any self-criticism.
However, I do recommend being a law-abiding citizen, if you can, to avoid trouble down the road in case you should have a run in with the police.
CJW
Old Mean Dog
04-04-08, 17:53
"No more F visa available" may be an exaggeration. Howver, there are constant reports that (M)ultiple Entry visa with 90 days are in extremely short supply. Folks who previously had F90/M are now being issued F30/2 .
YMMV
Recommendation: Do not use visa agency. DIY. Visa agencies under a lot of scrutiny.
Another forum member, who is in need of a new visa, told me in HK the change in visa duration/entries is due to the upcoming Olympics and will not change again till Oct 18th. I guess the government is worried about too many people getting long term visas.
-CPE
Another forum member, who is in need of a new visa, told me in HK the change in visa duration/entries is due to the upcoming Olympics and will not change again till Oct 18th. I guess the government is worried about too many people getting long term visas.
-CPE
Same info here.
If you overstay your vise it used to be a small fine if that, depending on how busy they are when you exit, I don't know about now thought, Pending on whihc part of China you are in, if you go to the main police station where they issue visa's you can get it extended there taks 3-4 days so keep a copy of your passport.
Can confirm for Germany. Been on F visa the last 4 years (1 year, Multiple Entry, 90 days each stay). This time still got an F visa but single entry, 30 days stay, valid for 3 months although the invitation was explicit mentioning 1 year, multiple entry, 90 days. The single entry, 30 days stay is the most you are able to get at the moment. Unless you are invited from the Chinese government or the ministry of foreign affairs: In this case perhaps you may be granted 2 entries, each stay up to 60 days.
Official reason: Changes of the (computer) system at the Chinese embassies.
Take care,
FT
Can you get a 30 day F-visa, stay for 30 days, go to Hong Kong and get a new 30 day F-visa, stay for 30 days again?
How long do you have to stay in HK to get a new visa?
not many months ago, it was simple to get 30 day extensions on L visa in any major city with basic paperwork.
You were allowed two 30 day extensions, then had to go HongKong, Macau or anyplace outside mainland China to get a new visa issued outside.
Not Sure if still can but worth a try asking at whichever PSB that issues visa nearby before going out of country.
It takes up to a week for them to do the paperwork,
but they use the date applied / papers turned in on so, IF can get extension, can do it a day or so before present visa expires.
BUT Make Sure they will do it OR you can get out of county Before midnight that day just in case the person at the desk is having a bad dy & rejects you.
Make copies of passport main page, current visa, last entry stamp... They will give you a reciept showing your passport is at the PSB so you can get hotel, not sure if can fly with only copy.
If going out of country, only need to go long enough to get the exit/enter stamp or as quick as they take to issue a new visa, same day if ya get paperwork in early & pay extra.
I got a new 30 day L (tourist) visa every month last year, it WAS simple to get the two extensions then.
but TIFC so I'm not sure how easy now, as I have a 6 month that I get right before the big changes. I'll find out again in June if/how..?
Easy to go to a local PSB & ask a weeks before you expire, might be able too get a 30 day extension for tourist.
I think when you guys reference questions and answers about Visa, you should make a distinction of what countries you're asking for and answering for. Since it appears that Chinese Visa have different conditions for different countries.
BTW, anybody knows the current status for applying for a leisure Visa entry for me Irish passport?
Bill
I think when you guys reference questions and answers about Visa, you should make a distinction of what countries you're asking for and answering for. Since it appears that Chinese Visa have different conditions for different countries.
BTW, anybody knows the current status for applying for a leisure Visa entry for my Irish passport?
Bill
In my case Germany. I would like to stay in China for several months this summer, right now they only offer me 30 day F-visas with visa agencies. Would like to fly to China and then get my visa extended.
Old Mean Dog
04-05-08, 16:07
I think when you guys reference questions and answers about Visa, you should make a distinction of what countries you're asking for and answering for. Since it appears that Chinese Visa have different conditions for different countries.
BTW, anybody knows the current status for applying for a leisure Visa entry for my Irish passport?
Bill
I think the new laws (i.e. Olympics) that pertain to getting a visa in HK, apply to all countries. Max is 90 day tourist visa with dbl entry, unsure if extensions are granted on current business visa holders.
is it leisure or leizure? Bill O'Lee can you confirm if they truly are magically delicious?
I think the new laws (i.e. Olympics) that pertain to getting a visa in HK, apply to all countries. Max is 90 day tourist visa with dbl entry, unsure if extensions are granted on current business visa holders.
is it leisure or leizure? Bill O'Lee can you confirm if they truly are magically delicious?
I got my category "L" Chinese visa last December. Can enter the country within a year from the date of issue. Multiple entries. 60 days per entry. Used my US passport at the Chinese consulate, while in the states. Cost - $100. Unless something has changed I don't understand what all the commotion is about.
Unless something has changed I don't understand what all the commotion is about.
No laws have changed. Enforcement got stricter:
- Action against shady "visa agencies" who overdid the guanxi
- Weed-out of foreigners who have no real business - pre-Olympics cleaning
- If they really don't like someone, they ask for "Invitation from Foreign Ministry." Sure. Mey you, but everybody keeps face.
Old Mean Dog
04-06-08, 05:06
I got my category "L" Chinese visa last December. Can enter the country within a year from the date of issue. Multiple entries. 60 days per entry. Used my US passport at the Chinese consulate, while in the states. Cost - $100. Unless something has changed I don't understand what all the commotion is about.
This is extracted directly from the website of one of the bigger visa agencies in Hong Kong:
Notice Board
Notice
We are informed by the China visa office that effective from 28 March 2008-17 Oct 2008 there will be no more multi entry (F) visas available. For those who still need visas can only apply single or double entry visas instead (Duration of each stay is 30 days). All this will last till the Olympic games finished.
Our new visa application and collection service hours from Monday to Friday will be as follows:
Visa Application before 9:00 AM Visa Collection by 18:15PM (Same Day)
Visa Application after 9:00 AM but before 13:30PM.Visa Collection by 13:30PM (Next Day)
Visa Application after 13:30PM Visa Collection by 18:15PM (Next Day)
-CPE
I've just found out today about this new visa nonsense. I live in Shenzhen but work in Hong Kong, commuting 4 times a week. I'm almost certainly going to have to relocate from China, as I can't be applying for Visas twice or thrice a week.
This sucks!
According to my travel agent in New York, "China Consulate decided this week that all non-Asian applicants are given Single entry only (valid for 3 months). They change their minds weekly.
As for you, since you have applied for China visas previously, they might approve a One Year Multiple entry. Just make sure it is a valid passport OR if you have a new passport, make sure you supply the old/cancelled passport for proof."
He caters to mostly Asians.
Bill
I got my category "L" Chinese visa last December. Can enter the country within a year from the date of issue. Multiple entries. 60 days per entry. Used my US passport at the Chinese consulate, while in the states. Cost - $100. Unless something has changed I don't understand what all the commotion is about.
FrequentTravel
04-06-08, 18:56
As for you, since you have applied for China visas previously, they might approve a One Year Multiple entry. Just make sure it is a valid passport OR if you have a new passport, make sure you supply the old/cancelled passport for proof."
BillI doubt this. Again to clarify: I have had 1 year Multiple Entry, each stay 90 days for the last 4 years with 22 entry (and of course also exit) stamps. (Still in my passport). I had an official invitation of a chinese company (not really small, having some connections) chinese company, asking to give me 1 year Multiple Entry, 90 days each stay again.
All I got is F Visa, valid 3 month, One Entry and 30 days stay. No way you get more in Germany than 3 month, Double Entry and 60 days each stay at the moment, and this only if invited by the Chinese Gouvernment or Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Official Source (Warning: German language):
http://www.Visum-centrale.de/service/news.php
(might need to scroll down a little, info is from 28th of march).
Don´t know about the US though, but i guess the chinese policy regarding the visas has changed worldwide.
Nevertheless Good Luck and i would be interested if anyone mangages to get 1 year, Multiple Entry, 90 days each at the moment (after end of march / beginning of april)
Take care,
FT
received the following from a friend via email today:
Government Bans Multiple-Entry Visas from Hong Kong to the Mainland
A report published on 6 April stated that the government has stopped issuing multiple-entry visas to foreign nationals traveling from Hong Kong to the Chinese mainland until the end of Olympic Games on 17 October.
The report further indicates that there have been delays in issuing visas in Hong Kong lately. The visa process now takes four days instead of the usual one or two days.
Meanwhile, the government has not made any official statement regarding the ban.
Prior to the ban, foreign nationals could obtain multiple-entry visas to visit China from Hong Kong for up to three years. Now only single or double entry visas are issued.
The ban on multiple-entry visas for foreigners from Hong Kong to the Chinese mainland is believed to be a step by Chinese government in their ongoing crackdown on anti-Chinese protests in Tibet. The ban signifies China’s intention to restrict the access of people from outside of the mainland to its western parts due to ongoing protests over its crackdown on protests in Tibet and neighboring provinces. Furthermore, the ban is also due to the fact that Hong Kong is the only place, apart from Macau, in China where people are allowed to protest. Given this, Hong Kong is expected to witness major protests during the Olympic torch relay on the island on 2 May.
Security has been increased throughout the country, especially for the Olympic torch relay when protests could intensify. Foreigners face an incidental risk from potentially violent protests. Travelers should anticipate stringent security measures across the country, along with potential restrictions on movement and other travel disruptions. They are advised to cooperate with all security directives.
Looks like the traditional Hong Kong Visa run will be out of service until after the Olympics. I dissagree with the comment that this step is due to the trouble in Tibet. I think it is just part of the step-up in security as we aproach the Olympics in August.
Sammy
Hello all,
I hope you will bear with me if these questions seem elementary for this board. Most of my travels have been in South America and Europe. The far east is a whole new frontier for me. There is a better than even chance I am going to wind up living in China, probably Shenzen (it may be Macau), for a few years starting in a couple of months.
I have found out a little about the apartment rental market, getting around town, stores, etc. You know all the boring "life" stuff we have to do. What I wondering about is things like, hiring a maid, maybe even one that might do more than clean the apartment, is it worth trying to meet local ladies instead of just going the P4P route.
One big problem for me is I will need to study the langage a LOT just to get a few basics. I have lived and traveled in Spanish speaking countries for a while and learned to speak with them, so I know the value of learing the local language, but it takes some time.
I have read the Shenzen thread, but am having a tough time getting the "lay of the land", are the best options massage palors, or do they have a club arrangement like the termas in Brazil or FKK's in Germany, or in a perfect world something like Help in RIO or the clubs in Buenos Aires. I know if is a lot to ask, but if any of you "old pros" wouldn't mind sharing a little of your experience with a newbie in town, it would be appreicated.
Thank you in advance
Sky
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 07:23
Hello all,
I hope you will bear with me if these questions seem elementary for this board. Most of my travels have been in South America and Europe. The far east is a whole new frontier for me. There is a better than even chance I am going to wind up living in China, probably Shenzen (it may be Macau), for a few years starting in a couple of months.
I have found out a little about the apartment rental market, getting around town, stores, etc. You know all the boring "life" stuff we have to do. What I wondering about is things like, hiring a maid, maybe even one that might do more than clean the apartment, is it worth trying to meet local ladies instead of just going the P4P route.
One big problem for me is I will need to study the langage a LOT just to get a few basics. I have lived and traveled in Spanish speaking countries for a while and learned to speak with them, so I know the value of learing the local language, but it takes some time.
I have read the Shenzen thread, but am having a tough time getting the "lay of the land", are the best options massage palors, or do they have a club arrangement like the termas in Brazil or FKK's in Germany, or in a perfect world something like Help in RIO or the clubs in Buenos Aires. I know if is a lot to ask, but if any of you "old pros" wouldn't mind sharing a little of your experience with a newbie in town, it would be appreicated.
Thank you in advance
Sky
Jeez - you're asking info not only on P4P, but also freebiees and even maids who would want to do more than just clean..... and then for someone to post a concise and practical summary of all that shenzhen has to offer (and Macau also??).
May I suggest that - perchance - you ARE asking for too much?!
First of course the RTFF - which I see you've done - but a bit more RTFF and then you should be able to ask for SPECIFICS instead of just asking us to lead you by the hand. You really think anybody here would do this?!
Second, why don't you just get out here and start by making ALL the mistakes that we've all gone thru - for after all, we were ALL newbies at one time - and continue to be newbies every time we go to a different locale.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 09:07
[indent]Government Bans Multiple-Entry Visas from Hong Kong to the Mainland
Looks like the traditional Hong Kong Visa run will be out of service until after the Olympics. I dissagree with the comment that this step is due to the trouble in Tibet. I think it is just part of the step-up in security as we aproach the Olympics in August.
Sammy
Hmmmmm.... do I dare say this?
These visa restrictions are probably the BEST thing for us mongers from Hong Kong or those who still have their valid multi visit visas.
Shud keep out a lot of the rif rafs and other BSD's who don't think nothing of the trouble in applying for the visa and then come and screw it all up for the rest of us who are "dedicated to not only the science, but also the art of mongering" Muahahaha!
Hell, things are gonna be bad enough for us during this Olympic hiatus - less mongers into our beloved Middle Kingdom can be nothing but good!
OK OK - I'l go away now!
SEAJ
Old Mean Dog
04-07-08, 10:47
Shud keep out a lot of the rif rafs
Yep, maybe this will keep Santa and Bill Lee out for awhile. Nothing worse then them old guys who come here for 4 months, with a suitcase full of Viagra and a chemically enhanced hard-on.
All these little girls are not safe! I overheard Santa and Bill conspiring about putting "Bill Lee or Santa wuz here" hennah tattoos on their asses, after they banged 'em.
Damn Riff-Raff
-CPE
SE Asia Joe
04-07-08, 11:13
Yep, maybe this will keep Santa and Bill Lee out for awhile. Nothing worse then them old guys who come here for 4 months, with a suitcase full of Viagra and a chemically enhanced hard-on.
All these little girls are not safe! I overheard Santa and Bill conspiring about putting "Bill Lee or Santa wuz here" hennah tattoos on their asses, after they banged 'em.
Damn Riff-Raff
-CPE
No No No. That's not the way I had it explained to me by them!
ALL these gals in CP are truly Santa's - so all of 'em were gonna get branded FIRST as "Santa's Little Helper" as they roll into town. And as ole Bill gets to each one of 'em eventually, he was suppossed to stamp 'em either "OK," "Great," or "Avoid."
And Hey, I thought you were gonna have a part of this process of certification - that you were the one to stomp on ALL the BSD's who tries to sneak in their willies into Santa's Gals without his expressed approval.
Better system than the USDA seal approval on each piece of meat in the States.
SEAJ
Yep, maybe this will keep Santa and Bill Lee out for awhile. Nothing worse then them old guys who come here for 4 months, with a suitcase full of Viagra and a chemically enhanced hard-on.
All these little girls are not safe! I overheard Santa and Bill conspiring about putting "Bill Lee or Santa wuz here" hennah tattoos on their asses, after they banged 'em.
Damn Riff-Raff
-CPE
There was a story floating around several years back about a company that did a lot of business in Thailand. They had a bunch of panties printed up with their logo on them, and gave them to all of the bar girls. That way, when one of their competition took a girl home and got her undressed he would be faced with the competition's logo.
Maybe we should get some "ISG" panties printed up, and distribute them world wide!
Sammy
There was a story floating around several years back about a company that did a lot of business in Thailand. They had a bunch of panties printed up with their logo on them, and gave them to all of the bar girls. That way, when one of their competition took a girl home and got her undressed he would be faced with the competition's logo.
Maybe we should get some "ISG" panties printed up, and distribute them world wide!
Sammy
We'll start in BJ.
Trust me.
My agent is referring to Leisure Visas for returning overseas Chinese, who have ancestral connection with the homeland. He's involved with getting such Visas everyday for the last 20 years. There's got to be some intelligence in his guess.
I think the Chinese government have always treated returning overseas Chinese better than the foreign tourist or business applicant. Especially when you can prove from past Visas on the passport that you have returned quite often.
As a returning Chinese, I currently hold a two year Multiple, 120 days (yes, 120) L Visa. But of course I got it back in May, 2007 from the New York consulate.
Bill
I doubt this. Again to clarify: I have had 1 year Multiple Entry, each stay 90 days for the last 4 years with 22 entry (and of course also exit) stamps. (Still in my passport). I had an official invitation of a chinese company (not really small, having some connections) chinese company, asking to give me 1 year Multiple Entry, 90 days each stay again.
All I got is F Visa, valid 3 month, One Entry and 30 days stay. No way you get more in Germany than 3 month, Double Entry and 60 days each stay at the moment, and this only if invited by the Chinese Gouvernment or Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Official Source (Warning: German language):
http://www.Visum-centrale.de/service/news.php
(might need to scroll down a little, info is from 28th of march).
Don´t know about the US though, but i guess the chinese policy regarding the visas has changed worldwide.
Nevertheless Good Luck and i would be interested if anyone mangages to get 1 year, Multiple Entry, 90 days each at the moment (after end of march / beginning of april)
Take care,
FT
As far as marking of the CP's girls are concern, there's still a bit of Bill's DNA on the cheeks of them gal, that only under special light can you see it.
Crazy Jim Wood
04-07-08, 14:26
Just general advice, not specific to Shenzhen: many Chinese women want an exciting, economically stable life with a foreigner.
If you're in China for only a few days or have committments that prevent you from running wild, P4P is the way to go.
But you could very easily find yourself with a freebie within 24 hours of arrival. Certainly you will find a freebie if you're there for a few years. So, P4P is not really necessary unless you want something on the side.
The danger is not so much not finding a freebie but getting snatched up by a divorced, middle-aged women or a woman who the locals don't like because they consider her ugly, difficult to get along with, etc, before you can find the perfect, young hottie.
So, you might want to restrain yourself in public until you find the perfect hottie... for example, if you're working some place don't fuck anyone in your office and if you're living some place don't fuck your neighbors: they all think we're sexual perverts and if you fuck the first old thing you see you may scare off the really good ones. So, exercise some restraint, and after you're there for a while you'll find a presentable woman or your friends will try to hook you up with one.
To be honest, many westerners can't really tell Chinese womens' ages, or may like a woman for big breasts or something when Chinese find that woman very plain. Maybe after you're there for a while you'll find yourself thinking, "how could I have fucked her..." (or, how could I let myself be seen in public with her).
I can't really recommend ever hiring a maid for sexual purposes: she's an employee so you can't just fire her when you get tired of her, and she's going to have a lot of dirt on you because she cleans your house, washes your clothes, etc. And, while fucking the old bag may be fun, what will your neighbors think?
So, I would only hire a maid if I really needed one for domestic help and I would look elsewhere for my fun.
If you just want an easy relationship with domestic help, look for a divorced woman, romance her, and she'll do the sex & domestic stuff for free.
Most likely one will find you before you know it.
CJW
Hello all,
I hope you will bear with me if these questions seem elementary for this board. Most of my travels have been in South America and Europe. The far east is a whole new frontier for me. There is a better than even chance I am going to wind up living in China, probably Shenzen (it may be Macau), for a few years starting in a couple of months.
I have found out a little about the apartment rental market, getting around town, stores, etc. You know all the boring "life" stuff we have to do. What I wondering about is things like, hiring a maid, maybe even one that might do more than clean the apartment, is it worth trying to meet local ladies instead of just going the P4P route.
One big problem for me is I will need to study the langage a LOT just to get a few basics. I have lived and traveled in Spanish speaking countries for a while and learned to speak with them, so I know the value of learing the local language, but it takes some time.
I have read the Shenzen thread, but am having a tough time getting the "lay of the land", are the best options massage palors, or do they have a club arrangement like the termas in Brazil or FKK's in Germany, or in a perfect world something like Help in RIO or the clubs in Buenos Aires. I know if is a lot to ask, but if any of you "old pros" wouldn't mind sharing a little of your experience with a newbie in town, it would be appreicated.
Thank you in advance
Sky
crazy jim,
thank you for your reply, it was exactly the type of info i was hoping for and i will heed your advice. i will now concentrate on finding a couple of good p4p locales to take care of my "mongering" needs, until or if i decide to go "native"... i am sure that i will be able to glean some info from the local city forum.
s.e. asia joe,
i tried to show that i had purused the boards before posting the question. yes, it was somewhat rep001ter shot, but i was asking for opinions or others experience. i was under the impression that one reason this board was created was so that everyone didn't have to make the same mistakes over and over again and that we could share experiences to cut down on the learning curve. if i overreached with the question or offended you with my ignorance then i apologize. i have tried to help many a monger in other parts of the world in similar circumstances and was hoping (and received) the same kindness in this, your "neighborhood".
What I wondering about is things like, hiring a maid, maybe even one that might do more than clean the apartment, is it worth trying
Sky
I think that's a great idea! It will keep you off the streets and out of trouble.
Thanks Santa,
It is always good to know how to stay out of trouble as opposed to getting out of trouble once you have been aquainted.
I think that's a great idea! It will keep you off the streets and out of trouble.
SE Asia Joe
04-08-08, 05:29
s.e. asia joe,
i tried to show that i had purused the boards before posting the question. yes, it was somewhat rep001ter shot, but i was asking for opinions or others experience. i was under the impression that one reason this board was created was so that everyone didn't have to make the same mistakes over and over again and that we could share experiences to cut down on the learning curve. if i overreached with the question or offended you with my ignorance then i apologize. i have tried to help many a monger in other parts of the world in similar circumstances and was hoping (and received) the same kindness in this, your "neighborhood".
hey sky - i think an apology from me is in order as you have - on the various china boards - really expressed your sincerity and willingness to "take it on the chin" when some of us old guys starts giving it to you to rtff or whatever. so yes, my apologies!
on the other hand, i still don't know what specifically is it that you really want to know. crazy jim's advise is of course good - but it really is just vanilla flavor and would have been easily found out when you rtff the china threads (and probably also others on isg).
the question you pose to us is so broad that i think there is just no way that any one of us could reply in writing for it to be of any use. i suggest instead that you just go ahead and take the deep plunge so to call..... but also pre-enlist the help of some of us here to show you the ropes when you are actually here. pick and choose guys you think you'd like to get to know in person whilst reading the various threads, pm's these guys with a request to actually meet up with you at a certain time/location etc.
i'm sure that you'd get better result and information on the lay of the land this way rather than this quite "rep001tered shot gun approach" that you are presently using. for the longest time, i was very reluctant to actually meet up with guys on the isg (for all the obvious reasons). but then i got specific invitation to meet up by oah together with others on isg. of course caution dictated my first reaction, but having read the various posts by the people i was gonna meet - specifically oah, bill lee, santa, superforce(aka king johnny), cpexpat, wadman, tiger888, i decided that these guys seems to be good guys and agreed to meet up. and what a good decision that was! not only were these guys good guys - but i've also met up with many others of our same hobby that are good guys.
now i am not saying that all the guys i've met thru isg are good guys - there are of course those who i really do not want to associate with and even those i would consider dangerous to associate with - just like in "regular society" but all in all, i feel privileged to have been able to get to know most of the guys that i have met up with. you would of course need to put in all your own 'regular safeguards' against disclosing too much about yourself or trusting anybody you've just recently met - but from my own experience, i've not had any hassles from getting to know anybody on isg.
the above is all just imho and i also hope that i do not embarrass anybody too much by specifically mentioning your handles here.
in any case, good luck on your new life here - and my wishes that thigns will all turn out great
seaj
Sky Ryder:
Sorry some most of your questions are a little general and not about mongering. Sounds like you want to settle down ( retire) in China and you want help more with relocation.
1st Get a map of the area like use the net.
2nd Suggest going to Hong Kong/Macau first and NOT to China. More people speak English in HK/Macau. In China you will have a difficult time getting around with Chinese but not impossible.
3. Suggest getting help in HK/Macau for apartment in Shenzhen or HK.
Reason again, , more people speak English in HK/Macau. You can also us google for finding a place.
4. My big advice is learn the language first and respect their culture and people. If you are just going there one to three times forget about the language because it not worth the effect for just a few trips.
Take a class in Chinese in HK since you are planning to live in China. You can also take a class at a local university at home or at a university in China. A book in Chinese will NOT help because it will take too long to translate.
5. It sounds like you want a private ( sex ) tour guide. I found out most people get tired of being a tour guide. One big reason, was some will do something stupid and get into trouble. They expect the guide to get them out. Next, you don’t really know who you are going to meet like some weirdo like me. Most are OK and will become good friends, but a few you want to forget.
6. Suggest hiring a translator for most of you needs. Most likely you need to sign a lease agreement. Again you can use the net for to get a translator.
PS I don't work nor live in China.
SE Asia Joe
04-08-08, 08:01
PS I don't work nor live in China.Huh?? I thought that your work WAS mongering and that you only live to Monger?
And since you do love to monger in China, in effect you live and work in China - No?
Ouch - sorry fren!! Just had to yank THAT chain!
PEACE!
Joe
Fast Eddie 48
04-08-08, 16:34
The China goverment stop issue multi entries China visa as of end of March til oct this yr in Hong Kong because of the 2008 game don't know why, but if you already have the visa you will be ok, you can still get the 2 yr multi entries in the China consulate in the San Francisco.
Fast Eddie 48
I've just found out today about this new visa nonsense. I live in Shenzhen but work in Hong Kong, commuting 4 times a week. I'm almost certainly going to have to relocate from China, as I can't be applying for Visas twice or thrice a week.
This sucks!I'm in the same boat so did some checking today at Futien Police Station and Lo Wu visa office.
According to the Lo Wu Visa office, multiple entry visas of type L and F are available, i.e no change.
I was very specific and asked about type "F" multi entry one year.
I'm due for renewal this Sat, let you know the outcome.
Huh?? I thought that your work WAS mongering and that you only live to Monger?
Are you referring Chinese gigolo? NO way, I'm too old and ugly.
And since you do love to monger in China, in effect you live and work in China - No?
Ouch - sorry fren!! Just had to yank THAT chain!!
PEACE!!!
Joe
No, I work and live outside of China. It's just an expensive hobby and I'm not rich. Going back again is going to be more expensive because of the price of oil. I think it's about $900 to 1500 for a plane ticket now.
Old Mean Dog
04-08-08, 22:43
I'm in the same boat so did some checking today at Futien Police Station and Lo Wu visa office.
According to the Lo Wu Visa office, multiple entry visas of type L and F are available, i.e no change.
I was very specific and asked about type "F" multi entry one year.
I'm due for renewal this Sat, let you know the outcome.
I used to get all my visas in SZ at the PSB behind the Diwang Bldg, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the duration of your visa based on the value of the company you work for, which is identified on the tax id? If the company is valued at under one million rmb, a 4 month dbl entry F visa is the maximum allowed.
Getting an F Visa in SZ, required a lot of running around getting approvals from not only the police station in Luohu, near King Glory Plaza, but also from the Housing Police under the section I lived in. It was a lot of hassle for just a limited 4 month visa and still cost around 400 rmb.
Please PM me, as I will need a new visa in a few months.
-CPE
Are you referring Chinese gigolo? NO way, I too old and ugly.
No, I work and live outside of China. It's just an expensive hobby and I'm not rich. Going back again is going to be more expensive because of the price of oil. I think it's about $900 to 1500 for a plane ticket now.
Same here, but I would like to relocate to China. Always met great girls in China, and not only those in the whor*e business.
I'm due for renewal this Sat, let you know the outcome.
My Multiple entry visa expires on Saturday too, so tomorrow morning I'm going to HK to apply for a new one. I'll report back on what they give me.
No, I work and live outside of China. It's just an expensive hobby and I'm not rich. Going back again is going to be more expensive because of the price of oil. I think it's about $900 to 1500 for a plane ticket now.
You need to check again. Was on United Airlines website, found some rt tickets out of sfo or lax to hkg for around $610. You need to start your trip before the end of April. I think this is their low season.
You need to check again. Was on United Airlines website, found some rt tickets out of sfo or lax to hkg for around $610. You need to start your trip before the end of April. I think this is their low season.
Nothwest Airline and Singapore Air has a special for about $700 too. The problem I'm finding out most are already sold out for the days I want to go. There are very limited and go very fast. Then I want to stay for about 45-50 days and not for only 30 days. leaving is no problem, it's coming back to the USA during the summer months. I was told by two travel agent the airlines are expecting the prices to go up any day now because of the price of oil and a few carriers going out of business.
Beginning next month, May, prices are around $900. Then in June even more expensive.
Anyway, thanks I will ask my travel agent again and will check United Airlines on the net.
Fast Eddie 48
04-10-08, 05:08
Nothwest Airline and Singapore Air has a special for about $700 too. The problem I'm finding out most are already sold out for the days I want to go. Then I want to stay for about 45-50 days. leaving is no problem, it's coming back to the USA during the summer months. I was told by two travel agent the airlines are expecting the prices to go up any day now because of the price of oil and a few carriers going out of business.
Beginning next month, May, prices are around $900. Then in June even more expensive.
Anyway, thanks I will ask my travel agent again and will check United Airlines on the net.Weelock,
I was in San francisco chinatown today saw 580 usd round trip included tax SFO t0 HKG good until end of april limited seat on United airline, I already book with Cathay pacific paid 720 usd a few week ago , Oasis air HK based airline stop operation today after only 6 month in business it fly to Vancouver and London my ex girl friend is out of work .
Fast eddie 48
According to the Lo Wu Visa office, multiple entry visas of type L and F are available, i.e no change.Hi Shadie,
Is this office on the Shenzhen side? Will it be open on a Saturday?
Scribe,
Sorry I've no idea if it's open tomorrow, you could try to give them a call, it's behind the Diwang Bldg.
I've changed my visa plans after finding out the requirements and paperwork needed to get a Multi-Entry Visa in SZ.
Being a HK Perminent resident means nothing to the PSB, in HK I was always given a multi-entry visa, no questions asked.
I'm heading down to HK to get a double entry visa so I have some time to get my paperwork in order to apply for a Multi-Entry Visa.
On another note, I got an official e-mail response from the Chinese Foreign Ministry Office in HK stating that they do not issue multi-entry visas at the moment.
Guess I'll need one or two visa's a week untill I get my paperwork sorted, bummer.
I am not sure if it really matters, but I just got my Chinese visa (I am still in the U.S.) and it was a multiple entry (L) with 60 day stay good for one year. The person I spoke with indicated to me that if you have a U.S. passport there should not be a problem with obtaining a entry visa. I am not sure how much leeway there is in the length of stay portion, but that was what I requested. I was thinking about asking for a 90 day stay, but didn't want to over reach at this time.
Old Mean Dog
04-11-08, 07:10
Checkout the major changes for entry into the Canton Fair this year:
http://www.cantonfair.org.cn/en/info/103bztz.htm
I suspect this might be from the Tibet thing?
-CPE
OldAsiaHand
04-12-08, 04:51
A buddy of mine went to Macau a couple of days ago to renew his visa. A year ago, he got a one year, multiple, 90 day stay with a French passport. This time the CTS office at the border told him they were no longer authorized to do the visas as of the day before. He went to the China visa office in town where he was offered a 7 day visa. After showing him that he was a GZ property owner, they gave him 30 days, single entry. He was told to return to his country to get a longer visa since the situation would remain the same until after The Olympics.
OAH
Travel Dog
04-13-08, 15:06
He went to the China visa office in town where he was offered a 7 day visa. After showing him that he was a GZ property owner, they gave him 30 days, single entry. He was told to return to his country to get a longer visa since the situation would remain the same until after The Olympics.
OAH
I think the best plan for now is to make sure you haven't overstayed your current visa, then FedsEx your passport back to a travel agent in your home country who can get a 1 or 2 year visa on your behalf then FedEx it back to you in China. Have a friend that did this. I'm good til after the Olympics but if I needed one now I would use a travel agent in the USA.
TD
Fast Eddie 48
04-14-08, 00:05
I think the best plan for now is to make sure you haven't overstayed your current visa, then FedsEx your passport back to a travel agent in your home country who can get a 1 or 2 year visa on your behalf then FedEx it back to you in China. Have a friend that did this. I'm good til after the Olympics but if I needed one now I would use a travel agent in the USA.
TDTravel dog,
I have a friend from US who goes to China for buisness two times a month from Hong Kong.
His 1yr multi visa expired in April ,so he is thinking about going to other country like PI or Thailand.
He is mad that HK didn't give notice to any one that they planned to stop offering multi entrie Visas until Oct this year, and that only you can only apply to HK and Macau and that doesn't make sense .
Thank god I have HKID and China Return Home permit so I can come and go as I like and I can use the e channel in custom.
Fast Eddie 48
SE Asia Joe
04-14-08, 03:24
I think the best plan for now is to make sure you haven't overstayed your current visa, then FedsEx your passport back to a travel agent in your home country who can get a 1 or 2 year visa on your behalf then FedEx it back to you in China. Have a friend that did this. I'm good til after the Olympics but if I needed one now I would use a travel agent in the USA.
TD
Not quite sure about the wisdom of doing this.
As I understand it, you are required by the PRC law to ACTUALLY ALWAYS have your passport on your person whilst in China. Sure, lots of us carry around just a photocopy - but we would have the original document in the hotel safe etc, ready to produce it just in case, and I do know that 99% of the time, one does not get stopped and be demanded to show ID docs. etc.
But to actually NOT to have your passport .....???
SEAJ
Got my double entry 3 month "L" visa tonight, it was madness in the Visa office, went to pickup the visa at 6.30pm, eventually got it at 10.30pm!
If you are not a HK resident or working in HK then you have to return to your country of residence to apply for a China Visa. You will not be able to apply for a Visa in HK.
Here is the link, there are going to be many pissed off people shortly..
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/bgfwxx/default.htm
Travel Dog
04-15-08, 03:36
SE Joe
I don't like it either but I don't know of a better option unless you are returning to your home country in person anyway. Even in the States people FedEx passports all the time. Just my two cents
TD
SE Asia Joe
04-15-08, 04:08
SE Joe
I don't like it either but I don't know of a better option unless you are returning to your home country in person anyway. Even in the States people FedEx passports all the time. Just my two cents
TD
In the example you cite, the guy seems to be a longer staying visitor to China instead of one needing in and outs.
Seeing as the worry is overstaying the validity of the visa (China visas allows one to stay in China up to the validity date of the actual visa - said date is not just the last date you can use the visa to enter - unlike in a lot of other countries), you'd be better advised to just make a visa run to HKG and apply for a visa there before re-entering. Believe that they will still issue 2x visit good for 6 months in HKG.
It'd be a lot safer than taking the chance of being thrown in jail for not having any acceptable ID in China. Just ask those African nationals rotting away in GZ and BJ!!
SEAJ
ps. China is China, The states is the States! "Even in the States....." is an oxymoron. (hope I've used this word contextually correct!)
OldAsiaHand
04-15-08, 04:23
you'd be better advised to just make a visa run to HKG and apply for a visa there before re-entering. Believe that they will still issue 2x visit good for 6 months in HKG.
I would check the current situation with the visa providers in Hong Kong. I am under the impression that the above is not possible for the moment.
OAH
SE Asia Joe
04-15-08, 04:37
I would check the current situation with the visa providers in Hong Kong. I am under the impression that the above is not possible for the moment.
OAH
OAH is CORRECT!!
this is what is emblazoned on the top of their page:
////
NOTICE (2008/04/13)
Visa applicants are increasing in a large number and need longer waiting
time in the visa office recently. If you don't reside or work in Hong Kong
permanently, you are required to apply Chinese visa from the Embassy
or Consulate-General of Peoples' Republic of China in your resident
country. You are welcome to China for tourism, business, visit of the
Olympic Games.
///
On the Ministry of Foreign affairs website
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/bgfwxx/default.htm
OUCH!!!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
04-15-08, 04:46
Only now I realize why we've got so many Singaporean BSD's perrenially in our favoprite playgrounds in China! I just saw on the MOFA web site that these guys gets 15 days stay VISA FREE accees to the PRC!!
SEAJ
I got my double entry visa yesterday in HK, Paid HK$1600 for a same day L type.
Many unhappy people in the visa shop, we did not receive the visas until 10.30pm, that was a 4 hour wait..
I hope the latest developments mean that the multi-entry visas will become available again, don't thik I could handle another few days hanging about Wanchai
Not quite sure about the wisdom of doing this.
As I understand it, you are required by the PRC law to ACTUALLY ALWAYS have your passport on your person whilst in China. Sure, lots of us carry around just a photocopy - but we would have the original document in the hotel safe etc, ready to produce it just in case, and I do know that 99% of the time, one does not get stopped and be demanded to show ID docs. etc.
But to actually NOT to have your passport .....???
SEAJ
In the 4 years I've lived here, I've never been stopped by Police and asked for a passport. I never carried one while venturing out late at night. I changed that recently, but I haven't been asked - yet.
However, I couldn't function without a passport. I couldn't fly, couldn't check into a hotel, couldn't do banking, couldn't perform numerous business duties. I would feel VERY uncomfortable without one.
As already mentioned in a post but as summary for all dreamers about getting proper china visa in hk:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1589843
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1585596
Recently reports state that foreigners could exit hk at huan guang border but could not enter China because of no visa available at border. Seems that even hk authorities are not well informed about.
Mike
Thank god I have HKID and China Return Home permit so I can come and go as I like and I can use the e channel in custom.
Fast Eddie 48
How is the China Return Home permit different from using a HK passport going into China?
Does using a HK passport for entry into China require that you still get a China Visa?
Bill
Traveler1234
04-16-08, 15:07
How is the China Return Home permit different from using a HK passport going into China?
Does using a HK passport for entry into China require that you still get a China Visa?
Bill
It's called 回鄉證 ... available to HK and Taiwan (台 包 眐 ) citizens, go to China Travel or other travel agencies to make application. You then enter with HK ID and this card/document....and in theory considered a chinese national.
Information on-line but only in Chinese language:
1. HK ID holders http://www.ctshk.com/zhengjian/gangao.htm
2. Taiwan passport holders: http://www.ctshk.com/zhengjian/taiwan.htm
SE Asia Joe
04-17-08, 05:33
How is the China Return Home permit different from using a HK passport going into China?
Does using a HK passport for entry into China require that you still get a China Visa?
Bill
As I understand it - you actually CANNOT even apply for a visa to enter China with your Hong Kong SAR passport. You are required to instead apply for this Home Return Permit when trying to apply for one. (does not make sense to have to apply for a visa to just come back home)
The home return permit - as its name implies - is a credit card sized document which identifies which Home town/village in China you are from - or in the case of lots of Hong Kongers- where their ancestors originally came from in China even if they themselves have never even been back to China in the first place!
Please note that if you use this home return permit to enter China, even if you are a US or some other country citizen, the Chinese Government will NOT recognize such foreign citizenship and will treat you as a Chinese national on ALL matters - especially in cases where you get in trouble with the law. You can only get consular protection if you had entered China using your foreign passport (even though you may also have a home return permit which you did not use to enter the country at that particular visit)
It's advantage is that when you are crossing the China border control, you can just stick this card into the card reader and .... away you go! No more hassles with having to apply for visas PLUS the border entry is a lot faster.
SEAJ
TenthFloor
04-20-08, 03:57
In the 4 years I've lived here, I've never been stopped by Police and asked for a passport. I never carried one while venturing out late at night. I changed that recently, but I haven't been asked - yet.
However, I couldn't function without a passport. I couldn't fly, couldn't check into a hotel, couldn't do banking, couldn't perform numerous business duties. I would feel VERY uncomfortable without one.My chinese policeman friend told me once, that he and his colleagues try to avoid by all means to stop a foreigner and ask for his passport. Their english is either too bad or just non-existing to handle such situation. But I wouldn't rely on this 100%. Better keep a low profile, whatever you are doing.
My only experience with the police within 10 years was that I and my freebie were caught in the act in her car in a quiet street near Lido. The guys were very polite, asked for her ID-card and my driver license (!!), and advised us not to sit in the car parked on a dark street: it is too dangerous.
Unless I have some official duty, I never carry my passport, only a photocopy, including the visapage, and my driver license. The reasons is I want to be sure that my passport is in a safe place at hand whenever I really need it.
I've had the knock on the door in the middle of the night twice in Beijing and once in Shanghai. Beijing was in 98 and 05; Shanghai was late last year. All three times there were 2 cops, and one of them spoke really good english.
I overstayed my visa twice, once in Beijing, and once in Shanghai. In Beijing I got to spend the night in a 2-star hotel by the airport with a uniformed "cop" or PSB guy, for a flight the next morning to Hong Kong, which I was scheduled on any way - I overstayed 1 day. He didn't have a gun, just a walkie talkie. It was nerve racking for about an hour, then I just went to sleep. He was 23 or 24, and stayed up and watched TV all night. Makes for a good war story to my friends in the US, who are intimidated by going to Chinatown in SF or Chicago, but it was no big deal.
I've never had a problem with the cops/PSB in China. They are just doing their jobs.
Red Rock II
04-20-08, 09:32
What will happen if we over-stay? Are we going go get a fine on our way out? Or It is going to cause a problem next time when we apply for a visa? Anyone have had such experience?
What will happen if we over-stay? Are we going go get a fine on our way out? Or It is going to cause a problem next time when we apply for a visa? Anyone have had such experience?
I read in another forum that it was free for the first 10 days, 500 RMB per day thereafter up to a max of 5000 RMB.
Can anyone confirm?
If so, what happens if someone overstays extremely long?
But then, that's the rule today. What about tomorrow?
I wouldn't consider this an option.
Depends on what port you are going out from, I went out from Beijing port and was overstay by about 2 months, they took my passport to the office to check, but that was it, nothing more to it, no fine nothing, but also guess depends on how busy they are ect.
Old Mean Dog
04-20-08, 13:23
I read in another forum that it was free for the first 10 days, 500 RMB per day thereafter up to a max of 5000 RMB.
Can anyone confirm?
If so, what happens if someone overstays extremely long?
But then, that's the rule today. What about tomorrow?
I wouldn't consider this an option.
From what I've heard, that's right on target. I have had friends exceed their stay 1 or 2 days, they are escorted to a briefing room at the border and scolded on overstaying, then they have to sign a form acknowledging this and probably logged into their database. I have had another friend overstay for 10 days, they told him 5,000 rmb, but he was able to talk them down to 3,000 rmb.
-CPE
Brain Damaged
04-21-08, 06:17
--other stuff deleted-
Please note that if you use this home return permit to enter China, even if you are a US or some other country citizen, the Chinese Government will NOT recognize such foreign citizenship and will treat you as a Chinese national on ALL matters - especially in cases where you get in trouble with the law. You can only get consular protection if you had entered China using your foreign passport (even though you may also have a home return permit which you did not use to enter the country at that particular visit)
It's advantage is that when you are crossing the China border control, you can just stick this card into the card reader and .... away you go! No more hassles with having to apply for visas PLUS the border entry is a lot faster.
SEAJ
SEAJ and Traveller have described the Home Return Permit quite well. There is another option if you reside in an APEC country; the APEC Travel Card. It allows one to use that wonderful line (queue) where no one ever seems to use.
1/ Be a permanent resident of an APEC country (regardless of your passport).
2/ Apply for the APEC travel card through your local immigration department.
3/ In a few months, you can call the immigration department and they'll tell you which countries have approved your application, and which countries have yet to respond. You can choose to forego those countries that have yet to respond.
4/ Pick up your APEC Travel Card.
Real timesaver in China and Thailand where the immigration queues (lines) are a pain.
Cheers,
BD
What will happen if we over-stay? Are we going go get a fine on our way out? Or It is going to cause a problem next time when we apply for a visa? Anyone have had such experience?
I have paid 2500 RMB for overstaying for 5 days.
Maybe you can overstay and then swim over to Macao or Hong Kong or Taiwan.
I have paid 2500 RMB for overstaying for 5 days.
Maybe you can overstay and then swim over to Macao or Hong Kong or Taiwan.Plan to swim, then don't forget the scuba gear!
TenthFloor
04-21-08, 09:36
1/ Be a permanent resident of an APEC country (regardless of your passport).
BDNot true: you must be a passport holder of a participating economy i.e. citizen (or a Hong Kong permanent resident with any valid travel document);
Check out the website:
http://www.businessmobility.org/key/abtc.html
SE Asia Joe
04-21-08, 09:55
3/ In a few months, you can call the immigration department and they'll tell you which countries have approved your application, and which countries have yet to respond. You can choose to forego those countries that have yet to respond.
Cheers,
BD
Actually, you could (AND should) track your application status (i.e. which countries have already granted you visa free acceess) on the internet.
In Hong Kong, you just log on to www.businessmobility.org/key/HongKongCardStatus.asp
and input your application no.
Am pretty sure that such 'status tracking' system is in place for other locations where you apply for your particular APEC card.
One other advantage of the APEC card is when you arrive in the U.S.A., you are allowed to got through the Air Crew channel instead of lining up with the rest of the hoi poloi!
SEAJ
I have paid 2500 RMB for overstaying for 5 days.
Maybe you can overstay and then swim over to Macao or Hong Kong or Taiwan.
The most I overstayed was 10 days, and they made me sign a form but that was it. They asked my why and I told them I was sick. A couple weeks ago I overstayed by 5 days, they just stamped my passport like normal. I almost always overstay because I tend to be forgetful (at least a couple dozen times), but only once did they make me sign the form and I was never charged any money.
What will happen if we over-stay? Are we going go get a fine on our way out? Or It is going to cause a problem next time when we apply for a visa? Anyone have had such experience?
I've overstayed at least a couple dozen times and I've never had trouble re-applying for a visa.
The most I overstayed was 10 days, and they made me sign a form but that was it. They asked my why and I told them I was sick. A couple weeks ago I overstayed by 5 days, they just stamped my passport like normal. I almost always overstay because I tend to be forgetful (at least a couple dozen times), but only once did they make me sign the form and I was never charged any money.
Maybe the police just scammed me for money, who knows. I had to write a handwritten confession and pay them money.
Taiwan Laowai
04-21-08, 11:49
Brain Damaged
I just got on the business mobility website and one of the 3 requirements it states for eligibility is citizenship (not PR status) of a participating country (with the exception of HK). The other 2 requirements is that you travel the region frequently on business (don't know how they verify this) and that you have never been conficted of a crime.
This is important to me because I am a Permanent Resident of Taiwan but a US passport holder.
Why were you under the impression that PR status was sufficient to apply for the card? Is it possible that the rules have recently changed and the website has not yet been updated?
Brain Damaged
04-21-08, 23:34
Brain Damaged
I just got on the business mobility website and one of the 3 requirements it states for eligibility is citizenship (not PR status) of a participating country (with the exception of HK). The other 2 requirements is that you travel the region frequently on business (don't know how they verify this) and that you have never been conficted of a crime.
This is important to me because I am a Permanent Resident of Taiwan but a US passport holder.
Why were you under the impression that PR status was sufficient to apply for the card? Is it possible that the rules have recently changed and the website has not yet been updated?
Ah, my mistake. My apologies to all.
I live in Hong Kong and was basing my comments on what I experienced here. Hong Kong PR status is pretty easy to obtain (basically, live here for seven years and pay taxes), and the APEC Travel Card is similarly easy to obtain (basically, have a job, have traveled a lot during the region, etc). To verify business, Hong Kong Immigration asked for: a letter of employment and a copy of the employing company's business registration/license. Quite easy and straightforward.
Hmm...perhaps you might want to call the local Taiwan department that handles the APEC Travel Card to inquire as to whether you're eligible. I hope that you are. While many of us do not need visas to visit the countries that we do, using an immigration counter with no one in front of you saves time and aggravation.
Cheers,
BD
OldAsiaHand
04-24-08, 14:48
Fellow Mongers,
Since I live in China and the majority of my contributions have been in the China section of the forum, I thought this to be the most suitable thread for my 2,000th post.
I want to take this opportunity to thank Jackson again for ISG and to thank all the members for their valuable contributions.
I have made many good friends from the board and had the chance to monger with some of the legends of our hobby. I am sincerely grateful.
Happy Hunting!
OAH
Old Mean Dog
04-25-08, 08:33
I found this from another website talking about Visas:
Shenzhen & Hk had confirmed the cancellation of tourist & business visa issuance as well multiple-entry on visas to control alien travellers of mainland for the upcoming Beijing Olympics. HK is the major gateway to the mainland and formerly ruled by britain and even though it was returned to chinese rules, still there are some rules they didn't changed that allows businessmen or aliens coming from western major countries to quickly obtain chinese visas. There's another article that tackles additional reason for their sudden change of visa regulations, to protect china and beijing olympics event from potential alien protestors due to the recent controversy, and tighten the security against drug traffickers.
Some say, if you are already here, to just stay here rather then leave country (including HK) to try and obtain a new visa before Oct 17th. They state the 5,000 rmb fine is far less then what you will pay for a new visa, if you can even get a new one.
This is sounding very difficult for all involved.
-CPE
BTW: Congrats OAH, you have been a great mongering mentor to a newbie like me.
Hi Gentlemen,
I just spent a month in China, first in Chongqing and then Shanghai. I really enjoyed it and I think I might want to come back next year for more long-term living. I am curious what you folks can suggest for places to live in.
Basically, I am interested in sizable cities that are dramatically less smoggy than Chongqing and Shanghai. Also, I'm curious about places that are less humid and not as hot, such as places more to the north and/or near a desert.
I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks!
Well dude, that's a pretty broad question. I guess first I'd ask what is it exactly that you do to bring home the bacon ? Are you in shipping or import/export ? financials ? chemicals ? component manufacturing ?
If you are a man of independent means, I would suggest Dalian or Qingdao. Or if you like cold weather, Harbin. If you like it a little more temperate, it's hard to beat Kunming.
of all the larger cities in China that I've been to and worked in, those are my favorites by far that have a reasonably healthy environment. Dalian is clean, has clear air, and lots of japanese companies. Qingdao is gorgeous and it feels european. Olympic sailing events will be there. Harbin is almost russian, is colder than a witches tit, but also has crisp clean air. Sometimes. Kunming is like living in a garden in the springtime. But there's lots of others that I'm sure members will suggest.
OldAsiaHand
04-26-08, 08:39
These two would be my reco, as well.
If you like the ocean/beach, Qingdao is fantastic, but it can get a bit cold, foggy and rainy in the winter. Summers are gorgeous. I hope you like beer since they drink a lot of it.
They call Kunming the spring city since the weather is moderate year round and there are great places to visit in the province.
IMHO, Qingdao is better for mongering. I just love the tall girls you can find there.
Just my POV.
OAH
Well dude, that's a pretty broad question. I guess first I'd ask what is it exactly that you do to bring home the bacon ? Are you in shipping or import/export ? financials ? chemicals ? component manufacturing ?
If you are a man of independent means, I would suggest Dalian or Qingdao. Or if you like cold weather, Harbin. If you like it a little more temperate, it's hard to beat Kunming.
of all the larger cities in China that I've been to and worked in, those are my favorites by far that have a reasonably healthy environment. Dalian is clean, has clear air, and lots of japanese companies. Qingdao is gorgeous and it feels european. Olympic sailing events will be there. Harbin is almost russian, is colder than a witches tit, but also has crisp clean air. Sometimes. Kunming is like living in a garden in the springtime. But there's lots of others that I'm sure members will suggest.
BossLove72
04-26-08, 11:18
These two would be my reco, as well.
If you like the ocean/beach, Qingdao is fantastic, but it can get a bit cold, foggy and rainy in the winter. Summers are gorgeous. I hope you like beer since they drink a lot of it.
They call Kunming the spring city since the weather is moderate year round and there are great places to visit in the province.
IMHO, Qingdao is better for mongering. I just love the tall girls you can find there.
Just my POV.
OAHI agree. I'm in Qingdao right now. I love it here. It is one of the richest areas per capital in China for living. It is quite modern with some old China still here. Girls are great and very willing for your search for freebies. OAH is also very right about the beer. In August there is a great beer festival and some great beaches here as well. You could do very well here.
Just my two jiao.
Thanks OldAsiaHand and Lao Ma,
Qingdao sounds like a great place, I am interested in sailing as well, so that might be the place to be, plus I love tall girls. Perhaps Kunming would be good for the winters.
Lao Ma, my source of bacon is primarily web-based, but I am interested in sourcing some basic electronics manufacturing (I have a few ideas regarding alarm clocks and calculators).
Fellow Mongers,
Since I live in China and the majority of my contributions have been in the China section of the forum, I thought this to be the most suitable thread for my 2,000th post.
I want to take this opportunity to thank Jackson again for ISG and to thank all the members for their valuable contributions.
OAH
Congrats Senior Brother OldAsiaHand for your 2,000th post.
-cut-
IMHO, Qingdao is better for mongering. I just love the tall girls you can find there.
I remember you telling me you did a girl or a few girls over 6 feet in Qingdao. The tallest was about 6 ft 3 in. I too love TALL Chinese Amazons.
Someone posted a story about how Qingdao got started in the beer business. The German\\\\\\\'s started it first. I am not sure when the Germans left China but it might have been when comms took over. They left the machineary behind for making beer. The Chinese found and took over and started making beer themselves.
It must be the beer and not the water in Qingdao.
Thanks OldAsiaHand and Lao Ma,
Qingdao sounds like a great place, I am interested in sailing as well, so that might be the place to be, plus I love tall girls. Perhaps Kunming would be good for the winters.
Lao Ma, my source of bacon is primarily web-based, but I am interested in sourcing some basic electronics manufacturing (I have a few ideas regarding alarm clocks and calculators).
For beer, Qingdao. For electronic trinkets: Guangzhou on south. For bandwidth: Hong Kong.
OldAsiaHand
04-27-08, 12:55
Weelock,
The tallest girl I did in Qingdao was 1.83 meters which is just a tad over 6 feet.
OAH
I remember you tell me you did a girl or a few girls over 6 feet in Qingdao. The tallest was about 6 ft 3 in.
Someone posted a story about how Qingdao got started in the beer business. The German\'s started it first. I am not sure when the Germans left China but it might have been when comms took over. They left the machineary behind for making beer. The Chinese found and took over and started making beer themselves.
It must be the beer and not the water in Qingdao.
Weelock,
The tallest girl I did in Qingdao was 1.83 meters which is just a tad over 6 feet.
OAH
I prefer to do the dwarfs.
Ho,ho,ho.... :D
SE Asia Joe
04-27-08, 18:16
I prefer to do the dwarfs.
Ho,ho,ho.... :D
Actually..... in China generally, Taller gals commands premium pricing over shorter ones - whether at KTV or Saunas. It's only at BBS's that I notice they do NOT price taller gals differently from the shorter ones. I wonder HOW COME?
Or is it that ALL the gals at the BBS's ARE short???!!
The tallest one I had was in Beijing - and she was well over 6 feet tall..... and she cost me a bundle!!
Damn, she was VERY pretty, but now that I think about it, I wish that she wasn't THAT tall - that way I wouldn't have needed to pay that stupid "height" premium. Taller gals are NOT any better. I'm just a sucker for pretty gals - tall short or otherwise!
SEAJ
I've read through all the visa posts on here and something isn't clear in my mind.
I will be flying to shanghai next month and already obtained my visa in March (60-day, double entry, 6 month, tourist). With all the reports I've been hearing around, 30-days is the max given out now. My question/concern is. Will my visa be honoured by the powers that be? I've heard that when you get to customs in China, they may only allow 30-days. Others have told me the 30-days max only applies to new visas issued. Does anyone have any ideas?
Also. I will be leaving China and then re-entering for my second entry. However my return flight home is more than 60-days from my return entry (by 8 days). Do you think I'll be able to get an extension or do I even need one? If I show them I will be leaving China after 68 days, do you think I'll have a problem or get fined? . Or should I just extend my out of country stay so when I re-enter and leave for home, it will be exactly 60 days?
Thanks for any info.
Cheers
OldAsiaHand
04-28-08, 12:46
Jbritt,
Given the current situation, I would not be surprised what happens when you arrive. They keep changing the policy. Most people do not even understand the current policy in Hong Kong.
Under normal conditions, they should honor your 60 days since you already have the visa and you obtained your visa in your home country which is what they are telling applicants to do if they want longer visas.
And, normally, you should not have a problem extending your stay a few days when you are in China.
Unfortunately, the current visa situation is not normal. If I were you, I would seek better advise from the Chinese embassy that issued the visa. I would even try to get it in writing, if possible.
Just my POV.
OAH
I've read through all the visa posts on here and something isn't clear in my mind.
I will be flying to shanghai next month and already obtained my visa in March (60-day, double entry, 6 month, tourist). With all the reports I've been hearing around, 30-days is the max given out now. My question/concern is. Will my visa be honoured by the powers that be? I've heard that when you get to customs in China, they may only allow 30-days. Others have told me the 30-days max only applies to new visas issued. Does anyone have any ideas?
Also. I will be leaving China and then re-entering for my second entry. However my return flight home is more than 60-days from my return entry (by 8 days). Do you think I'll be able to get an extension or do I even need one? If I show them I will be leaving China after 68 days, do you think I'll have a problem or get fined? . Or should I just extend my out of country stay so when I re-enter and leave for home, it will be exactly 60 days?
Thanks for any info.
Cheers
hi guys
i'm looking to move to china at the end of year
can i get a expect $$ to spent per month?
1. clean secure single apartment
2. very high speed internet, cellphone.
3. long term visa stay.
4. banking?
i'm debating on choose of moving to china or taiwan.
taiwan it will cost 200usd for single apartment, so cost me $500 a month including food.
can china beat that?
i been to ningbo, yiwu, shanghai, shenzhen and canton. but i won't mind other cities. if you living in china, please give me some input.
SE Asia Joe
05-08-08, 05:46
Jbritt,
Given the current situation, I would not be surprised what happens when you arrive. They keep changing the policy. Most people do not even understand the current policy in Hong Kong.
Unfortunately, the current visa situation is not normal. If
OAH
Crossed Lowu yesterday and for the very first time, I got asked to produce my Hong Kong ID card.
Never happened before and when I asked why, the officer just smiled! And that was even after I had shown her my APEC card!
Guess I made the mistake of putting down the number of my 3 year multiple visa i/o my apec card on the landing card. These 3 year multi visas are or rather WERE only available for those of us who are permamanet resident of HKG.
EAJ
SE Asia Joe
05-08-08, 05:52
hi guys
i'm looking to move to china at the end of year
can i get a expect $$ to spent per month?
1. clean secure single apartment
2. very high speed internet, cellphone.
3. long term visa stay.
4. banking?
i'm debating on choose of moving to china or taiwan.
taiwan it will cost 200usd for single apartment, so cost me $500 a month including food.
can china beat that?
i been to ningbo, yiwu, shanghai, shenzhen and canton. but i won't mind other cities. if you living in china, please give me some input.
and how are we gonna be able to answer your questions when we don't even know where, and what standard of living you expect, what passport you ahve, what kind of banking etc etc.
china usually beats taiwan hands down on just about anything. perhaps you could address your question to our resident expert ag who has his own taiwan and china threads.
seaj
korean,
your questions are quite general, so i can only be general.
1. 3000 rmb for busy parts of shenzhen (luohu, futian), 1500 - 2000 rmb for suburbs of shenzhen, 1200 - 1500 for dongguan.
2. 80 - 200 rmb per month for internet. big cities are more wired and cheaper. small towns have slower internet, but more expensive. cellphone around 0.39 rmb per minute.
3. visa costs depend on country. korea is highly regarded country in china. visa for a canadian passport is 600 - 1000 rmb per year. korea should be about the same.
4. banking is basically free, but oh those line-ups... unless you have a lot of money in the bank and qualify for vip status.
hi guys
i'm looking to move to china at the end of year
can i get a expect $$ to spent per month?
1. clean secure single apartment
2. very high speed internet, cellphone.
3. long term visa stay.
4. banking?
i'm debating on choose of moving to china or taiwan.
taiwan it will cost 200usd for single apartment, so cost me $500 a month including food.
can china beat that?
i been to ningbo, yiwu, shanghai, shenzhen and canton. but i won't mind other cities. if you living in china, please give me some input.
Gents,
It looks as though I am going to be moving to China in a couple of months. I think I may have the option of living in Beijing or Shenzhen. I visited Shenzhen last month and got a little bit of the lay of the land as far as where most of the epxats live, etc.
If any of you could direct me to an information source for some similar info about Beijing I would be grateful. I am trying to get a general idea where to look for apartments, etc. My plan is too maybe rent a place in an expat area for a year or so and then look around to see if there is something I might like more in the locals areas. This would also give me a chance to learn some of the language, customs, etc.
Thank you in advance!
Sky
Old Mean Dog
05-08-08, 18:39
Gents,
It looks as though I am going to be moving to China in a couple of months. I think I may have the option of living in Beijing or Shenzhen. I visited Shenzhen last month and got a little bit of the lay of the land as far as where most of the epxats live, etc.
If any of you could direct me to an information source for some similar info about Beijing I would be grateful. I am trying to get a general idea where to look for apartments, etc. My plan is too maybe rent a place in an expat area for a year or so and then look around to see if there is something I might like more in the locals areas. This would also give me a chance to learn some of the language, customs, etc.
Thank you in advance!
Sky
This is a pretty good website for Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou:
www.asiaexpat.com
Also, for Shenzhen, try this website:
www.szparty.com
-CPE
BTW: Both are great websites for pulling freebies ;)
Korean,
Your questions are quite general, so I can only be general.
1. 3000 rmb for busy parts of Shenzhen (Luohu, Futian), 1500 - 2000 rmb for suburbs of Shenzhen, 1200 - 1500 for Dongguan.
2. 80 - 200 rmb per month for internet. Big cities are more wired and cheaper. Small towns have slower internet, but more expensive. Cellphone around 0.39 rmb per minute.
3. Visa costs depend on country. Korea is highly regarded country in China. Visa for a Canadian passport is 600 - 1000 rmb per year. Korea should be about the same.
4. Banking is basically free, but oh those line-ups... unless you have a lot of money in the bank and qualify for VIP status.Thanks for the reply
I'm a Canadian
I have Canadian passport and Taiwan passport
I need easy access of incoming and outgoing USD funds bank in China.
I need reliable fast internet.
I do daytrade, short term buy and sales on stock
So interent and ability to move money in and out is import.
Not alot of money.
Because Tax on Canadian and living expensive is high, I'm thinking to declare non residence. Move to China. And reapply accounts to do daytrade in the usd market. I can save more money, and live a better life.
Currently making 5-10grand USD a month.
But there are gonna be bad month, . It's pretty high risk.
Any advise would be appeciate regard where to live.
I don't want roommate, so if there is bachalor apartment, that is nice and clean.
(MUST HAVE TOLIET, WHERE ONLY I CAN SIT ON IT)
My target
$500usd cover. Rent, utity, internet, food.
Good massage (back and foot) I will prob go daily, I'm pretty hook on that stuff. Of course
Easy to find girls
I like to budget my expense to 1k usd a month all-in.
This is a pretty good website for Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou:
www.asiaexpat.com
Also, for Shenzhen, try this website:
www.szparty.com
-CPE
BTW: Both are great websites for pulling freebies ;)Here are a few more websites to the list:
For Beijing there is That's Beijing aka The Beijinger
http://www.thatsbj.com
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/
CityWeekend is pretty good for Shanghai
http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/
For Taiwan
http://www.tealit.com/
Most of these sites have personals which can be a great way to pick up freebies. But I find it is better to pick up freebies.
Korean,
you may have heard that due to Olympics and the "other issue", getting visa's in China is very difficult now. So get one in Canada/Taiwan if you can. In Canada, you can get a 1 year, multiple entry visa, no problem.
For private individuals there is a limit on the amount of RMB you can buy. Not sure what it is, but you should find out.
Internet is fast for local (China) sites. For non-China sites, it varies. Generally not too good.
I have only lived (or visited extensively) in southern China, so can only advise you on those areas.
The prices mentioned in my previous post is for a new, modern, western-style apartment. With a toilet bowl. Older, crummier, "chinese-style" apartments are about half price.
500 USD (3400 rmb) for Rent, utility, internet, food is a bit tight.
food: 50 rmb/day = 1500/month (expect lots of home cooked meals...by you)
internet: 200
water, electricity, building management fee: 300
That leaves you about 1400 rmb for rent. That means outskirts of Shenzhen (BaoAn, NanShan, LongGang) or a small city in Dongguan. Maybe Zhuhai.
If your total budget is 1000 USD a month, that leaves you another 3400 rmb for transportation, massage, girls, miscellaneous. Strictly BBSs at this budget, no KTVs.
Thanks for the reply
I'm a Canadian
I have Canadian passport and Taiwan passport
I need easy access of incoming and outgoing USD funds bank in China.
I need reliable fast internet.
I do daytrade, short term buy and sales on stock
So interent and ability to move money in and out is import.
Not alot of money.
Because Tax on Canadian and living expensive is high, I'm thinking to declare non residence. Move to China. And reapply accounts to do daytrade in the usd market. I can save more money, and live a better life.
Currently making 5-10grand USD a month.
But there are gonna be bad month, . It's pretty high risk.
Any advise would be appeciate regard where to live.
I don't want roommate, so if there is bachalor apartment, that is nice and clean.
(MUST HAVE TOLIET, WHERE ONLY I CAN SIT ON IT)
My target
$500usd cover. Rent, utity, internet, food.
Good massage (back and foot) I will prob go daily, I'm pretty hook on that stuff. Of course
Easy to find girls
I like to budget my expense to 1k usd a month all-in.
Godfather2
05-09-08, 09:05
Hie , I am new to this forum, I used to stay in China for 4 years, and had a lot of freebies, like Translator/Interpreter/ secretary etc.But now i just travel to China almost every month and not to a specific location.East to West and North to South.I dont stay at one single place for more then 2-3 days.Its become very hard for me to find Freebies.I do enjoy at some KTV and BBS but its not much of fun.
I want some advice from freinds here , on how to catch freebies in my situation.I have tried several networking sites, but didnt get quality stuff.I still have some freebies in the main cities, but now i am bored with them.
I will also keep posting my pics and my experiences from now on here for freinds to share.
Korean,
you may have heard that due to Olympics and the "other issue", getting visa's in China is very difficult now. So get one in Canada/Taiwan if you can. In Canada, you can get a 1 year, multiple entry visa, no problem.
For private individuals there is a limit on the amount of RMB you can buy. Not sure what it is, but you should find out.
Internet is fast for local (China) sites. For non-China sites, it varies. Generally not too good.
I have only lived (or visited extensively) in southern China, so can only advise you on those areas.
The prices mentioned in my previous post is for a new, modern, western-style apartment. With a toilet bowl. Older, crummier, "chinese-style" apartments are about half price.
500 USD (3400 rmb) for Rent, utility, internet, food is a bit tight.
food: 50 rmb/day = 1500/month (expect lots of home cooked meals...by you)
internet: 200
water, electricity, building management fee: 300
That leaves you about 1400 rmb for rent. That means outskirts of Shenzhen (BaoAn, NanShan, LongGang) or a small city in Dongguan. Maybe Zhuhai.
If your total budget is 1000 USD a month, that leaves you another 3400 rmb for transportation, massage, girls, miscellaneous. Strictly BBSs at this budget, no KTVs.Thanks,
Do you know any website where i can see pics of apartment and price?
l
So you are basically asking how to have one night stand in China. It's the same everywhere in the world! Considering that you are in city for only a few days it might be hard to hook up with a 'conservative' Chinese girl. You have to target the girls that frequent bars and clubs. If you are good looking it won't be a problem. If you are not, well, maybe you have a good personality.
When I was in Beijing I got great luck getting freebies in clubs such as MIX, VICS, Propaganda, Suzie Wong and the bars around Sanlitun. Most of these girls where students or young professionals. Younger ones are better because they are looking for fun as well.
Here are a few tips on how to spot the type of Chinese girls that put out
1) Speak some English. They probably had a former foreign boyfriend.
2) Don't have granny panties. All the girls I banged have thongs.
3) In a group of 2-3 girls. No guys in their group. Ladies night out.
4) Will grind on the dance floor
Work on your 'Game'. Read the book called The Game by Neil Strauss.
On the other hand, people go to China because they can pay for sex and don't have to deal with the headache.
Sam247
Hie , I am new to this forum, I used to stay in China for 4 years, and had a lot of freebies, like Translator/Interpreter/ secretary etc.But now i just travel to China almost every month and not to a specific location.East to West and North to South.I dont stay at one single place for more then 2-3 days.Its become very hard for me to find Freebies.I do enjoy at some KTV and BBS but its not much of fun.
I want some advice from freinds here , on how to catch freebies in my situation.I have tried several networking sites, but didnt get quality stuff.I still have some freebies in the main cities, but now i am bored with them.
I will also keep posting my pics and my experiences from now on here for freinds to share.
OldAsiaHand
05-10-08, 03:21
Alot of guys chat extensively with girls online before they come over and set-up dates in advance starting the moment they hit the ground. Other than that, you can try to pull one night stands out of clubs, although this is easier said than done, unless you look like a movie star. Target the younger, early 20s set who seem to be more promiscuous nowadays.
Just my POV.
OAH
Hie , I am new to this forum, I used to stay in China for 4 years, and had a lot of freebies, like Translator/Interpreter/ secretary etc.But now i just travel to China almost every month and not to a specific location.East to West and North to South.I dont stay at one single place for more then 2-3 days.Its become very hard for me to find Freebies.I do enjoy at some KTV and BBS but its not much of fun.
I want some advice from freinds here , on how to catch freebies in my situation.I have tried several networking sites, but didnt get quality stuff.I still have some freebies in the main cities, but now i am bored with them.
I will also keep posting my pics and my experiences from now on here for freinds to share.
Korean,
For private individuals there is a limit on the amount of RMB you can buy. Not sure what it is, but you should find out.
You can change 50000 USD per year. They register your passport number with a centralized database, so several banks wouldn't help much. Chinese have the same limit.
If you have HKID you can change 20000 RMB per day in HK. Then transfer it to China into a special HK-RMB account where you can transfer it all back out on any given day. If you don't have HK-ID they don't allow an RMB account in HK.
If you have a premier account with HSBC open one in China an it is easy to send foreign currency in and out free of charge. The limit to send out is 5000 USD per day. No limit to send in.
Thats the rules as per today and the Chinese are infamous for changing them all the time without warning.
Internet: I am trading on oanda.com and it sucks up to unusability in Shanghai. Sometimes extremly risky.
you can change 50000 usd per year. they register your passport number with a centralized database, so several banks wouldn't help much. chinese have the same limit.
it's pretty easy to find chinese to change money for you if you exceed the 50,000 limit. if you have friends they can take usd to the bank and exchange up to $10,000 at a time. also you can get an exemption if you buy a high ticket item and have an official government invoice (such as a car).
don't expect much luck where high speed internet is concerned. i've found that topway cable broadband is about the best, but you'll still only get around 200kbps-300kbps to the states. adsl is absolutely horrible, as there are way too many users per switch. nothing at all like internet in the rest of the world. the speed to chinese sites is much faster, but because of the "great firewall" everything to america and europe gets routed through only a few cities and downloads tend to significantly slow down. some things (cnn podcasts on itunes for instance) will not download at all. the best internet is of course in hk, but that's a different story.
Alot of guys chat extensively with girls online before they come over and set-up dates in advance starting the moment they hit the ground. Other than that, you can try to pull one night stands out of clubs, although this is easier said than done, unless you look like a movie star. Target the younger, early 20s set who seem to be more promiscuous nowadays.
Just my POV.
OAH
What seems to work well in my case for getting to know Chinese women is chatting up arbitrary Chinese women on the street, in supermarkets, restaurants, hotels, on college campuses (recommendable, lots of pretty and intelligent ones) etc., asking them for their mobile phone numbers for some bullshit reasons, like you need help for this and that, and then meeting up with them. But of course you need to have a relatively low level of inhibition to do that and not mind getting rejected 70 percent of the time (chatting up 10 girls that way will probably net you three new girlfriends), so it's not for everybody. Also getting dates with women that way and getting them to have sex with you are of course two different pairs of shoes. Maybe find a girl who likes to drink, seems the best method of getting her into the sack.
The advantage I see in this method is that you can only chose the 8-10s you see and you really know in advance how the girl looks, not just how her internet profile looks.
Discotheques, night clubs etc. don't seem to work very well, since the women there either come to the clubs with a group of drunk Chinese men, who will systematically try to prevent a foreigner from chatting up "their" women, or the girls are prostitutes. Generally you don't seem to have many ordinary Chinese girls with decent characters in these places, mostly types of women you don't really want to have as girlfriends (i.e. money grubbing and demanding and bitchy).
Surfing for girls over the internet is time consuming and mostly the girls don't meet your expectations when you meet them in the flesh. Also you end up with a bunch of potential dates all over China, which isn't really all too practical.
korean,
as you said that you have a taiwan passport then visa for china is not a big problem for you. you can get a 3 year mult-entry visa in taiwan or hong kong for taiwan passport holders(but this can change any time). the chinese treat taiwan guys pretty good.
i think your big problem is the fast internet. if you are day trading in the u.s. market then i can tell you that the speed is pretty slow. what you would need is to put in a bigger spread so the data that you are seeing would not be a few seconds behind when you place your order. if you are trading on the market in canada then i don't know anything about that but i would think the speed would be about the same as the u.s. connection.
as for banking in china, again just use your taiwan passport since there are a lot of taiwan business people in china, i think your limit would be pretty high. good luck but i have tried to trade when i was in shenzhen however the internet speed was just too slow to get a good fill.
OldAsiaHand
05-11-08, 06:33
Phil1980,
Did you read the guy's post? He is only in a city a few days. He does not have enough time to take your approach. I agree the internet is time consuming, but at least he can arrange the girls in advance that way. I know a guy that arranges his dates 2 hours apart. If one is not good, he just blows her off and meets the next one. If she has potential, he still blows her off but makes a date with her for the next day. If he thinks he can score immediately, he will reschedule the others with some excuse. The 2 hours give him a chance to check her out and get a feel if there is any chance for action.
Just my POV.
OAH
What seems to work well in my case for getting to know Chinese women is chatting up arbitrary Chinese women on the street, in supermarkets, restaurants, hotels, on college campuses (recommendable, lots of pretty and intelligent ones) etc., asking them for their mobile phone numbers for some bullshit reasons, like you need help for this and that, and then meeting up with them. But of course you need to have a relatively low level of inhibition to do that and not mind getting rejected 70 percent of the time (chatting up 10 girls that way will probably net you three new girlfriends), so it's not for everybody. Also getting dates with women that way and getting them to have sex with you are of course two different pairs of shoes. Maybe find a girl who likes to drink, seems the best method of getting her into the sack.
The advantage I see in this method is that you can only chose the 8-10s you see and you really know in advance how the girl looks, not just how her internet profile looks.
Discotheques, night clubs etc. don't seem to work very well, since the women there either come to the clubs with a group of drunk Chinese men, who will systematically try to prevent a foreigner from chatting up "their" women, or the girls are prostitutes. Generally you don't seem to have many ordinary Chinese girls with decent characters in these places, mostly types of women you don't really want to have as girlfriends (i.e. money grubbing and demanding and bitchy).
Surfing for girls over the internet is time consuming and mostly the girls don't meet your expectations when you meet them in the flesh. Also you end up with a bunch of potential dates all over China, which isn't really all too practical.
Phil1980,
Did you read the guy's post? He is only in a city a few days. He does not have enough time to take your approach. I agree the internet is time consuming, but at least he can arrange the girls in advance that way. I know a guy that arranges his dates 2 hours apart. If one is not good, he just blows her off and meets the next one. If she has potential, he still blows her off but makes a date with her for the next day. If he thinks he can score immediately, he will reschedule the others with some excuse. The 2 hours give him a chance to check her out and get a feel if there is any chance for action.
Just my POV.
OAH
I used to take the same approach: Write to about 1000 or so girls on the internet weeks in advance (AFF, match.com, yahoo personals, QQ friendship center, some weird Chinese-only websites etc.), which was really time consuming and boring, maybe you can meet with 50 or so. The result was that afterwards I "had" say 3 girls in Beijing, 2 in Guangzhou, 3 in Shanghai, 1 hotty somewhere in the middle of nowhere (when you're not sure whether she's really all that hot as you hope for).
So you spend several weeks traveling from city to city, a lot of stress, you never know whether to try to continue to pursue a certain girl, or whether one in another city isn't better and you leave for that other city, finding out that that other girl doesn't want to meet after all etc., etc. In the end you end up with not much to show for.
Also most of the girls really weren't so much to my liking, when I met them personally (maybe I'm too demanding?), so I spent a lot of rather unnerving time on dates with girls whom I didn't really even want to have dinner with etc. After several such events, I ended up after a while just splitting with the girl several minutes after meeting her ("I have such a belly ache, I think I have to go back to my hotel and rest" etc.) Another frustrating experience is meeting with a girl you do like, but who isn't really interested in you.
So now I rather take the approach to spend as much time in one place as possible and address arbitrary girls on location directly, that way I know right away whether I like them and whether they are interested. It's really quite fun to do as well, since you feel a bit like a hunter.
BTW, my China visa has been granted over the whole summer, so I'll be in China for several months starting very soon. My first plan upon arrival is to try to pick up a North Korean waitress in one of their restaurants (see the North Korea thread), that might be pretty much a first for any Westerner in the world (in the unlikely case it works out, probably the girls are too scared of being sent to the Gulag). In case it doesn't work, I'll just have some dinner and drink some soju there.
Once more to internet dating. The basic problem I see with websites like AFF is that all the attractive girls (many of them may be false profiles) presumably get 500 or 1000 or more messages from guys, many of them presumably false male profiles featuring pictures of Marcus Schenkenberg etc., so it's highly unlikely attractive girls with real profiles will answer you. So you spend endless hours chatting with a bunch of mediocre girls, many of whom you may never meet.
Attractive girls on the street in China however don't get chatted up by 500 guys, probably many of them rarely get chatted up by any guy, since that doesn't seem to be the preferred method of courtship in China (mostly rather family introductions etc.), so the chances of a positive response are much higher. Most of these girls also don't have the aggressive defensive mechanisms ("get away from me, you asshole!") one knows from our beloved White ladies.
Old Mean Dog
05-11-08, 17:40
I used to take the same approach: Write to about 1000 or so girls on the internet weeks in advance (AFF, match.com, yahoo personals, QQ friendship center, some weird Chinese-only websites etc.)
Either you have too much time on your hands, or I am just damn lazy.
We are talking about getting laid here. Personally, I just prefer to pay a good looking, 18-19 year xiaojie. Why spend all that time, money and energy on a gal who might not even be a sure thing?
-CPE
Either you have too much time on your hands, or I am just damn lazy.
We are talking about getting laid here. Personally, I just prefer to pay a good looking, 18-19 year xiaojie. Why spend all that time, money and energy on a gal who might not even be a sure thing?
-CPE
Because I might be interested in running a two-tiered approach of getting to know ordinary girls and prostitutes. In case I marry a Chinese girl some day or am looking for a permanent GF (or several simultaneous GFs), I'm not really looking for a hooker from a KTV, but maybe some college girls for example.
Anyway, as I wrote already, I'm pretty much done with the internet approach.
Godfather2
05-12-08, 14:27
Hie Phil,
I Agree with you and your philosophy of two-tiered approach too. I personally think Internet approach is too time taking. Although the, Universities and supermarkets have worked extremely well for me. I usually enter any university in the city I am at, and ask especially good looking girls " Can you Speak English. I am here for business and I have a meeting tommorrow and need a translator/interpreter. "and it really works. Sometimes though. Well then you still have to work upon it, but the best bet is, if the girl takes you to a bar, (to give you company- once you finalise her for the next day), Its easy to take her to bed. BAR= BED. Works for me.
Any Better Ideas?
Because I might be interested in running a two-tiered approach of getting to know ordinary girls and prostitutes. In case I marry a Chinese girl some day or am looking for a permanent GF (or several simultaneous GFs), I'm not really looking for a hooker from a KTV, but maybe some college girls for example.
Anyway, as I wrote already, I'm pretty much done with the internet approach.[/QUOTE]
Does anybody know any website to look for housing?
I perfer to see pics and see the price and location.
Does anybody know any website to look for housing?
I perfer to see pics and see the price and location.
Try Craig's List
Old Mean Dog
05-13-08, 06:49
I usually enter any university in the city I am at, and ask especially good looking girls " Can you Speak English. I am here for business and I have a meeting tommorrow and need a translator/interpreter.
Any Better Ideas?
Do you actually use her as a translator the next day for a business meeting?
I know a lot of guys living here that run ads on the expat websites, looking to hire a personal assistant. Most of these guys, also want to find an assistant for sex and/or a gf. You would be surprised at the amount of girls that will "put out" for a chance at a decent paying job with a foreigner.
Also, attend an English training center as a guest speaker or hangout where English students conjugate. I always had pretty decent luck just hanging out at Starbucks.
For the internet: Concentrate on xpat websites in China, rather than the international ones.
Good luck,
-CPE
There is a possibility of a another large earthquake following yesterday's tragedy. A large earthquake is often soon followed by another, which can occur hours, days or weeks after the first. Of some concern is the massive Three Gorges Dam southeast of Sichuan.
Cum To You
05-13-08, 09:10
Do you actually use her as a translator the next day for a business meeting?
I know a lot of guys living here that run ads on the expat websites, looking to hire a personal assistant. Most of these guys, also want to find an assistant for sex and/or a gf. You would be surprised at the amount of girls that will "put out" for a chance at a decent paying job with a foreigner.
Also, attend an English training center as a guest speaker or hangout where English students conjugate. I always had pretty decent luck just hanging out at Starbucks.
For the internet: Concentrate on xpat websites in China, rather than the international ones.
Good luck,
-CPEHi CPE,
Good advice.
Thanks bro.
May be I should handout in SZ or GZ university more often.
Any Better Ideas?A friend of mine has a full time job and would even teach English on the weekends. It was his way to meet quality freebies. Most of these girls are young and from a rich family that can afford English schooling.
He doesn't go for them until the course ends. He makes sure to give out his email during class telling them not to hesitate to ask any questions.
There is a possibility of a another large earthquake following yesterday's tragedy. A large earthquake is often soon followed by another, which can occur hours, days or weeks after the first. Of some concern is the massive Three Gorges Dam southeast of Sichuan.
An earthquake of great magnitude IF IT IS THE GREATEST ONE (which is most likely in this case) is usually followed by some or even many after earthquakes of smaller magnitude. Since the first one was of 7,8 the other ones could easily be up to 5-7. Very high indeed too.
Given that buildings already suffered from the first one go figure that some, of the still standing ones, might collapse too. Usually older ones.
There are other parameters too but this is the general rule.
I am not an expert at all but I come from a country with too many earthquakes and that is what we know here in Greece. Our newer buildings are supposed to withstand earthquakes of that magnitude but not the older ones.
Hie Phil,
I Agree with you and your philosophy of two-tiered approach too. I personally think Internet approach is too time taking. Although the, Universities and supermarkets have worked extremely well for me. I usually enter any university in the city I am at, and ask especially good looking girls " Can you Speak English. I am here for business and I have a meeting tommorrow and need a translator/interpreter. "and it really works. Sometimes though. Well then you still have to work upon it, but the best bet is, if the girl takes you to a bar, (to give you company- once you finalise her for the next day), Its easy to take her to bed. BAR= BED. Works for me.
Any Better Ideas?
Here is an interesting mp3 recording of a record on how to pick up girls in various locations, it takes place in a US setting, but the same techniques will work even better in China.
http://www.hydeparkrecords.net/files/htpug/picking_up.htm
Because I might be interested in running a two-tiered approach of getting to know ordinary girls and prostitutes. In case I marry a Chinese girl some day or am looking for a permanent GF (or several simultaneous GFs), I'm not really looking for a hooker from a KTV, but maybe some college girls for example.
Anyway, as I wrote already, I'm pretty much done with the internet approach.
I met my Chinese GF three years ago through an introduction by a co-worker. I believe many Chinese love to play "match maker", especially if they think you're serious about looking for something besides a one night stand. Just like in the west though if somebody gives you an introduction they're also putting their reputation out there, which is something to keep in mind. Getting an introduction also gets many issues out of the way, such as the fact that some Chinese girls simply will not date western men.
Also, many Chinese girls will not commit to dating at all unless they see the possibility of marriage at some point in the future. Casual dating is still a relatively new concept in China.
Old Mean Dog
05-15-08, 15:05
I'm not sure where Woody Shoes found this, but it's damn funny!
1. You're at an expensive western restaurant and don't even notice the guy at the next table yelling into his cell phone
2. You enjoy karaoke
3. You walk backwards in the park listening to a transistor radio
4. The China Daily is your source for hard hitting, fast breaking, investigative journalism
5. You smoke in crowded elevators
6. All white people look the same to you
7. You like the smell of the bus
8. You find state-employed retail staff helpful, knowledgeable and friendly
9. You no longer need tissues to blow your nose
10. You find western toilets uncomfortable
11. You throw your used toilet paper in the basket (as a courtesy to the next person)
12. You think that the heavy air actually contains valuable nutrients that you need to stay healthy
13. You think a 30 year old woman who carries a Hello Kitty purse is cute
14. A sexual pervert is a man who prefers women to money
15. It's OK to throw rubbish, including old fridges, from your 18th-floor window
16. You believe that pressing the lift button 63 times will make it move faster
17. You aren't aware that one is supposed to pay for software
18. You are not surprised to see your tap water run dark brown
19. You tell your parents their house back in your home country has bad feng shui
20. You think that a $7 shirt is a rip-off
21. You always leave tray and trash on the table when you are in Starbucks because you insisted it is the way to keep everyone employed
22. You buy an XXXL T-shirt in store when you returned home
23. You take large sums of cash whenever you go hospital in home country
24. You have no reservations about spitting sunflower seeds on the restaurant floor
25. You think it's silly to buy a new bike when it'll get stolen soon and stolen bikes are half the price
26. You'd rather pay the 10 yuan for an all night stay at the internet cafe than the 30 for a taxi home
27. You feel cheated if you don't receive a full head and shoulder massage when getting a haircut
28. You blow your nose or spit on the restaurant floor (of course after making a loud hocking noise)
29. You no longer wait in line, but go immediately to the head of the queue
30. It becomes exciting to see if you can get on the lift before anyone can get off
31. It is no longer surprising that the only decision made at a meeting is the time and venue for the next meeting
32. You no longer wonder how someone who earns US$ 400.00 per month can drive a Mercedes
33. You accept the fact that you have to queue to get a number for the next queue
34. You believe everything you read in the local newspaper
35. You have developed an uncontrollable urge to follow people carrying small flags
36. You regard it as part of the adventure when the waiter correctly repeats your order and the cook makes something completely different
37. You are not surprised when three men with a ladder show up to change a light bulb
38. You look over people's shoulder to see what they are reading
39. You honk your horn at people because they are in your way as you drive down the sidewalk
40. When car accidents become a source of heartwarming humour
41. When shopping at Carrefour some laowai stares you down for catching you looking into his basket while you wonder to yourself what laowai's eat
42. You have figured out that it is actually the Taiwanese who are running this country
43. You have a pinky fingernail an inch long
44. You burp in any situation and don't care
45. You start to watch CCTV9 and feel warm and comforted by the governments great work
46. You think Pizza Hut is high-class and worth queueing for
47. You have learnt how to detect someone is in a hurry behind you, and now have the ability to not only walk very slowly but also grow eyes in the back of your head, so when they start to overtake on the right hand side, you automatically cut in and walk very slowly directly in front of them
48. When you are able to jump the queue because the idiot laowai left 2 centimeters between themself and the person in front of them
49. You have absolutely no sense of traffic rules
50. You start calling other foreigners Lao Wai
51. You start cutting off large vehicles on your bicycle
52. The last time you visited your mother, you gave her your business card
53. You think no car is complete without a tissue box on the rear shelf and a feather duster in the trunk
54. You go to the local shop in pajamas
55. When looking out the window, you think 'Wow, so many trees!' instead of 'Wow, so much concrete!'
56. Pollution, what pollution?
57. You think 'white pills, blue pills, and pink powder' is an adequate answer to the question 'What are you giving me, doctor?'
58. Someone doesn't stare at you and you wonder why?
59. Firecrackers don't wake you up
60. Your family stops asking when you'll be coming back
61. You wear out your vehicle's horn before its brakes
62. You buy a top-of-the-line karaoke machine
63. Forks feel funny
64. Chinese remakes of Western songs sound better than the originals
65. You get homesick for Chinese food when away from China
66. You realize that smiling and nodding is Chinese body language for, 'Go away; leave me alone.'
67. All the top-level government officials you befriended for guanxi purposes when you first arrived are retired and living in your country
68. After being in an accident, you tell the ambulance driver which hospital to take you to
69. Your company offers you a job in your native land, and includes regular 'Home Leave' to China as an incentive
70. You think of 'salad' as diced apples in mayonnaise
71. You don't bother to take the sticker off the lenses of your fake Ray-Bans
72. You only wear a suit when you dig ditches or do home repairs
73. Your handshake is weakening by the day
74. You compiled a 3-page list of weird English first names that Chinese people of your acquaintance have chosen for themselves
75. Your collection of business cards has outgrown your flat
76. You and a friend get on a bus, sit at opposite ends of the bus, and continue your conversation by yelling from one end to the other
77. You cannot say a number without making the appropriate hand sign
78. You like the taste of Green Tea and Chivas
79. You start recognizing the Chinese songs on the radio and sing along to them with the taxi driver
80. You feel insulted when you enter a restaurant and only three waiters welcome you
I would like to add #81 When a hot looking 18 year old xiajoie, walking down the street, doesn't even make you look twice
-CPE
Pointpanic
05-15-08, 15:35
Very inciteful and damn funny. I miss CP. Panic
[QUOTE=CPExpat]I'm not sure where Woody Shoes found this, but it's damn funny!
Crazy Jim Wood
05-15-08, 15:41
Hello,
Planning a business trip next week and I need some info:
Where in Beijing can I find free or reasonably priced wireless internet that is reliable?
I may also need to print out 20-30 pages, work for a few hours, etc.
Any ideas?
For example, I could work for a few hours using free wireless then walk somewhere where I can print out documents, etc.
Peferably open on weekends/late at night.
I have used run of the mill internet cafes and just found it to be too smoky, the computers to be too slow, to many problems with access, nosey people looking over my shoulder, etc.
I don't mind paying a little, but I don't want to be paying 5-star hotel business center rates either. Maybe 3-star hotel business center rates.
I will be in the suburbs (Tongzhou) about 45 min by subway from down town.
TIA,
CJW
Godfather2
05-16-08, 14:29
Hie,
If you could add rating to the number of yes and no's then it would be better. I would just write a Y for a yes against a yes, I agree. I think I am also old in China. Plz revert back with your opinion.
It is indeed funny.
I'm not sure where Woody Shoes found this, but it's damn funny!
1. You're at an expensive western restaurant and don't even notice the guy at the next table yelling into his cell phone .Y
2. You enjoy karaoke . Y
3. You walk backwards in the park listening to a transistor radio
4. The China Daily is your source for hard hitting, fast breaking, investigative journalism. YYYY
5. You smoke in crowded elevators.Y
6. All white people look the same to you.Y
7. You like the smell of the bus.Y
8. You find state-employed retail staff helpful, knowledgeable and friendly.Y
9. You no longer need tissues to blow your nose.Y
10. You find western toilets uncomfortable.Y
11. You throw your used toilet paper in the basket (as a courtesy to the next person).Y
12. You think that the heavy air actually contains valuable nutrients that you need to stay healthy
13. You think a 30 year old woman who carries a Hello Kitty purse is cute.Y
14. A sexual pervert is a man who prefers women to money.Y
15. It's OK to throw rubbish, including old fridges, from your 18th-floor window. Y
16. You believe that pressing the lift button 63 times will make it move faster.Y
17. You aren't aware that one is supposed to pay for software.YYYY
18. You are not surprised to see your tap water run dark brown.Y
19. You tell your parents their house back in your home country has bad feng shui. Y
20. You think that a $7 shirt is a rip-off.YY
21. You always leave tray and trash on the table when you are in Starbucks because you insisted it is the way to keep everyone employed.Y
22. You buy an XXXL T-shirt in store when you returned home.Y
23. You take large sums of cash whenever you go hospital in home country
24. You have no reservations about spitting sunflower seeds on the restaurant floor.Y
25. You think it's silly to buy a new bike when it'll get stolen soon and stolen bikes are half the price
26. You'd rather pay the 10 yuan for an all night stay at the internet cafe than the 30 for a taxi home. Y
27. You feel cheated if you don't receive a full head and shoulder massage when getting a haircut.Y
28. You blow your nose or spit on the restaurant floor (of course after making a loud hocking noise).Y
29. You no longer wait in line, but go immediately to the head of the queue.Y
30. It becomes exciting to see if you can get on the lift before anyone can get off.Y
31. It is no longer surprising that the only decision made at a meeting is the time and venue for the next meeting.Y
32. You no longer wonder how someone who earns US$ 400.00 per month can drive a Mercedes.YYYYYYYYYY. and again YYYYYYYYY.
33. You accept the fact that you have to queue to get a number for the next queue.Y
34. You believe everything you read in the local newspaper.Ha hah ha Y.
35. You have developed an uncontrollable urge to follow people carrying small flags
36. You regard it as part of the adventure when the waiter correctly repeats your order and the cook makes something completely different.Y
37. You are not surprised when three men with a ladder show up to change a light bulb.Indeed Y.
38. You look over people's shoulder to see what they are reading
39. You honk your horn at people because they are in your way as you drive down the sidewalk
40. When car accidents become a source of heartwarming humour
41. When shopping at Carrefour some laowai stares you down for catching you looking into his basket while you wonder to yourself what laowai's eat.Y
42. You have figured out that it is actually the Taiwanese who are running this country.HUH???
43. You have a pinky fingernail an inch long
44. You burp in any situation and don't care.
45. You start to watch CCTV9 and feel warm and comforted by the governments great work.YY
46. You think Pizza Hut is high-class and worth queueing for.Hehehe Y
47. You have learnt how to detect someone is in a hurry behind you, and now have the ability to not only walk very slowly but also grow eyes in the back of your head, so when they start to overtake on the right hand side, you automatically cut in and walk very slowly directly in front of them
48. When you are able to jump the queue because the idiot laowai left 2 centimeters between themself and the person in front of them
49. You have absolutely no sense of traffic rules.Y
50. You start calling other foreigners Lao Wai.Y
51. You start cutting off large vehicles on your bicycle
52. The last time you visited your mother, you gave her your business card.LOL Y
53. You think no car is complete without a tissue box on the rear shelf and a feather duster in the trunk.
54. You go to the local shop in pajamas
55. When looking out the window, you think 'Wow, so many trees!' instead of 'Wow, so much concrete!'
56. Pollution, what pollution?YYY
57. You think 'white pills, blue pills, and pink powder' is an adequate answer to the question 'What are you giving me, doctor?'Y
58. Someone doesn't stare at you and you wonder why?Y
59. Firecrackers don't wake you up, Y
60. Your family stops asking when you'll be coming back.Y
61. You wear out your vehicle's horn before its brakes
62. You buy a top-of-the-line karaoke machine.
63. Forks feel funny.YY
64. Chinese remakes of Western songs sound better than the originals
65. You get homesick for Chinese food when away from China.Y
66. You realize that smiling and nodding is Chinese body language for, 'Go away; leave me alone.'Y
67. All the top-level government officials you befriended for guanxi purposes when you first arrived are retired and living in your country.YYYY
68. After being in an accident, you tell the ambulance driver which hospital to take you to.
69. Your company offers you a job in your native land, and includes regular 'Home Leave' to China as an incentive
70. You think of 'salad' as diced apples in mayonnaise.Y
71. You don't bother to take the sticker off the lenses of your fake Ray-Bans.Y
72. You only wear a suit when you dig ditches or do home repairs
73. Your handshake is weakening by the day.YY I AGREE TOTALLY
74. You compiled a 3-page list of weird English first names that Chinese people of your acquaintance have chosen for themselves.Y
75. Your collection of business cards has outgrown your flat. Y
76. You and a friend get on a bus, sit at opposite ends of the bus, and continue your conversation by yelling from one end to the other.Y
77. You cannot say a number without making the appropriate hand sign
78. You like the taste of Green Tea and Chivas
79. You start recognizing the Chinese songs on the radio and sing along to them with the taxi driver.Y
80. You feel insulted when you enter a restaurant and only three waiters welcome you .YY
I would like to add #81 When a hot looking 18 year old xiajoie, walking down the street, doesn't even make you look twice.YYY
-CPE
Dan Hawaii
05-19-08, 12:07
Hello,
Planning a business trip next week and I need some info:
Where in Beijing can I find free or reasonably priced wireless internet that is reliable?
I may also need to print out 20-30 pages, work for a few hours, etc.
Any ideas?
For example, I could work for a few hours using free wireless then walk somewhere where I can print out documents, etc.
Peferably open on weekends/late at night.
I have used run of the mill internet cafes and just found it to be too smoky, the computers to be too slow, to many problems with access, nosey people looking over my shoulder, etc.
I don't mind paying a little, but I don't want to be paying 5-star hotel business center rates either. Maybe 3-star hotel business center rates.
I will be in the suburbs (Tongzhou) about 45 min by subway from down town.
TIA,
CJW
Many medium ot higher end hotels have the CAT5 or ethernet connection and computers in certain hotel rooms. Just ask when you book your hotel. For printing, many of these hotels also have "business centers" where you can fax, print, copy, etc...
Crazy Jim Wood
05-20-08, 00:38
Thanks,
CJW
Many medium ot higher end hotels have the CAT5 or ethernet connection and computers in certain hotel rooms. Just ask when you book your hotel. For printing, many of these hotels also have "business centers" where you can fax, print, copy, etc...
Shanghai2005
05-25-08, 04:11
Hey Kevin,
Can you share the contact of the freebies that you have in the main cities.
Does anyone know if is there any way that a paid member can send/receive pm from a non paid member?
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Greetings Shanghai2005,
To use the Forum's Private Message service, both you and the Forum Member you are trying to contact must be a subscriber or a Senior Member.
For more information, please read: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-subscriptions.php?
If you cannot afford $20 dollars to buy a subscription, then perhaps you can convince another forum member to purchase a subscription for you.
Jackson
(I just deleted my earlier message titled "Internet restrictions." It turns out the problem was that, while cleaning up my Startup profile using msconfig.exe, I turned off ccApp; this caused symptoms similar to having Internet access restricted.)
OK, now for something more fun: In response to CPExpat's "You Know You've Lived In China Too Long When.....":
I would like to add #81 When a hot looking 18 year old xiajoie, walking down the street, doesn't even make you look twice
I would like to add #82: While eating, in order show your manliness, you make chewing and slurping noises as loudly as possible.
OK, now for something more fun: In response to CPExpat's "You Know You've Lived In China Too Long When.....":
I would like to add #82: While eating, in order show your manliness, you make chewing and slurping noises as loudly as possible.
- You start defending China, its policies and culture, when talking with other westerners
- You driving gets so crazy even taxi drivers get out of your way
- You think 30 rmb foot massages are over-priced because you know plenty of places for 20-25 rmb.
- When you buy a product and it breaks down quickly because of shoddy quality, you don't even get upset. You just shrug it of and accept it.
- You don't think that Sichuan and Hunan food is really that spicy after all. While the girls are turning red and blowing to cool off when eating that spicy, dry bbq duck, you manage to eat it with a straight face.
Andreas Wang
05-25-08, 08:00
While eating, in order show your manliness, ...Perfect Chinglish - extra points to you for that Night Cat
OK, now for something more fun: In response to CPExpat's "You Know You've Lived In China Too Long When.....":
I would like to add #82: While eating, in order show your manliness, you make chewing and slurping noises as loudly as possible.
# 80 something
Been here too long if you really grow fond of the traditional Chinese music.
ES
#84 You ask "what's in it for me?" when a Xiaojie asks you to slurp & eat out her xiaomeimei.
#85 You actually do eat her out without thinking of the other 11 guys that have been to the trough the very same day.
#86 You think 2 for 1 is a special BBS deal6
#87 When you can't afford to go to a *****house daily because its 3 hours by car away & costs US$200 per pop
#88 When you turn your nose up at a reasonably hot 40 year old gal 'cos you know you can have an 18 year olds that go for hours without breaking a sweat.
#89 You plan your next return trip to China by bus & try to reserve a sleeping berth
#90 When you associate the words Chicks, Prostitutes, Play with the acronym CPP
Last one for the road -
#91 When KMT means Koubaio Muofeng Tong
# 80 something
Been here too long if you really grow fond of the traditional Chinese music.
ES
#92 You order a sandwich session with two girls and are overcome with surprise when there is a little hint of lesbian action.
#93 A lesbian show is on the menu list & not just an empty advertisement.
#84 You ask "what's in it for me?" when a Xiaojie asks you to slurp & eat out her xiaomeimei.
#85 You actually do eat her out without thinking of the other 11 guys that have been to the trough the very same day.
#86 You think 2 for 1 is a special BBS deal6
#87 When you can't afford to go to a *****house daily because its 3 hours by car away & costs US$200 per pop
#88 When you turn your nose up at a reasonably hot 40 year old gal 'cos you know you can have an 18 year olds that go for hours without breaking a sweat.
#89 You plan your next return trip to China by bus & try to reserve a sleeping berth
#90 When you associate the words Chicks, Prostitutes, Play with the acronym CPP
Last one for the road -
#91 When KMT means Koubaio Muofeng Tong
Godfather2
06-02-08, 10:55
[QUOTE=Shanghai2005]Can you share the contact of the freebies that you have in the main cities.
Hie
I would not mind to share the contacts of my freebies, as i have already given them to my freinds and with very little efforts, everyone has scored.But currently i am running out of stock.I am only left with 2.One in Beijing and the other in Guangzhou.I myself want to gift it , but there r two things-1)I want to make sure that the person will keep it as a valued possession 2)I want some quality stuff for exchange too.(Ya i only keep Quality Stuff as Freebie , As my Beijing Freebie is a Rated 9 or 9.5 and Guangzhou is Rated 8.5-9 in all aspects.
Also i am not over with them as yet, but after 2 years of fun with them, recently one of them has started asking for some ASSISTANCE.(Although indirectly) So i want to get rid of them too.
A Freebie is a freebie, untill she is free.
Godfather2
- You stay in ChangPing, but are too lazy to go out for BBS, KTV or sauna because "there is always tomorrow"
- You start enjoying AR and footlicking, which you previously thought was weird
- Whenever you see a photograph of a girl, you immediately think: must be Photoshopped
#92 You order a sandwich session with two girls and are overcome with surprise when there is a little hint of lesbian action.
#93 A lesbian show is on the menu list & not just an empty advertisement.
Been too long in China when....
#97 Even though you are irish, you now prefer women to drink.
Beijing Xiber
06-03-08, 05:08
been too long in china when....
#97 even though you are irish, you now prefer women to drink.
... watching little kids [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the street seems normal.
SE Asia Joe
06-03-08, 05:30
... watching little kids [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the street seems normal.
#98 - of course it's ok to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in any part of the golf course (oooops - perhaps this is also in the states?)
#99 you know which girls from which province offers the best....?
#100 - (and this, number 100, is from toucan joe) you actually cheer and clap when some stranger walks into your ktv room and downs your liquor without asking.
toucan
Old Mean Dog
06-03-08, 05:47
#101 Beggars stop asking you for money and consider you one of the locals.
-CPE
#81 Don’t understand what’s the big deal with everyone as you walk up a freeway ramp against 60mph opposing traffic to get something to eat.
#82 Can’t stop sizing up your hair stylist and wonder how much she’d charge for 2 shots. Repeatedly asking what’s behind the curtain?
#83 You actually feel offended by this list.
If you live in Tianjin then #81 should read
#81 Don’t understand what’s the big deal with everyone as you drive your Xiali up into a freeway exit ramp through 60mph exiting traffic to get to something on the other side.
I don't like to generalise,,but Tianjin seems to have the most crazy drivers in China.
Mock A Bee
06-04-08, 08:34
When you bring the slippers you took from the Chinese hotel with the crazy Chinese name and you bring them onto the plane for a long haul flight.
Extra points for taking your slippers with you to use on the overnight train ride and you book the hard sleeper to save money.
MAB
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