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SE Asia Joe
11-13-09, 05:01
Dash,
As a foreigner living in China for many years, I do have a bit of experience.
I don't want to burst your bubble but there are not many Chinese women here waiting for your "white meat" as you so put it. On the contrary, the hottest (9+), young girls actually want nothing to do with laowais. They much prefer guys of Chinese descent that speak their language and are more sensitive and understanding of their culture. Yes, there are some women that are curious but it is a very small minority and usually the ones without other choices; older, less attractive, etc.
Even among WGs, the perception of foreigners is that they have huge dicks and screw them for hours. We are completely rejected by around 30% of WGs; even more in some venues. All WGs would prefer mongers of Asian descent if they had the choice.
SEAJ is talking about the reality. This is not Thailand or The Philippines where foreigners are more accepted and you see many interacial relationships. There is still a stigma about Chinese women with western men. It is best to say that we are tolerated.
Although you deny it, the tone of your posts eludes that you fall into the category of an "Arrogant American". As I travel around the world, I hear many people talk about this perception. "I have money." "Do it my way." "Accept my culture." "Why don't you speak English?" And, the list goes on.
IMHO, this attitude will get you in trouble in China. Frankly, guys like this coming to China leave a bad impression and make it difficult for the rest of us laowais trying to make the best of living here.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH - thanks for your input on this - but I do think this is a lost cause.
I've given up and will just observe how Dash will come (eventually I presume!) to China and strut his stuff around. NO amount of reasoning or advise is ever gonna get through to him, especially since he's now got the inheritance from his Mommy and he can do whatever he wants to do.
I of course hate to see guys like him coming over and screwing things up for other Foreigners - including and especially you who've of course had more than your fair share of hassles just by being a White guy. But there ARE a minority of Americans like Dash who just cannot and do not get "it" and will persist on their Imperialistic and condescending ways. And there are of course other armchair pundits who would go ahead and encourage such - for God knows what reason except an equal measure of ignorance.
Like I said, I just give up - especially since it ain't gonna affect me personally one way or the other, whatever Dash do or not do.
SEAJ
OAH,
I appreciate your comment, but where do we really disagree? Unfortunately I do have a big dick and I do fuck them for hours. Actually, the tart who grabbed me in Wanfujing said "You fuck good". If some hookers rejected me I won't care, I will never know. I have posted several times that I do NOT believe that Chinese girls TRULY would like me. Why not? Because they feel their culture is superior. Certainly it is different. I dispute superior.
Whether or not any Chinese girls are waiting for me is a scientific experiment. YRMV is the rule.
I do NOT think gorgeous Chinese single women are waiting for me. The ones waiting for me who are hookers will be much prettier than ones I meet "the old fashioned way." The Qingdao university students were pretty enough, but not 10s. I was able to meet them and was invited back to their dorm in my one single solo walk around Qingdao.
I am not arrogant. I am proud. False pride is absurd. I see some of this baloney on the forum and react to it.
Living in a foreign country is interesting, I have done it myself. After a while, you begin to perceive the tourists from your country as insensitive or clueless.
Whether or not I think monkeys, starfish, seahorses, dogs, rats are food or have medicinal properties or whether I believe "Qi" exists, etc. etc. does NOT mean I go around teasing, being obnoxious, or otherwise belittling my hosts. You and Joe don't want to give me any credit for having the least bit of tact. That's your assumption, but based on my posts that make fun of the baloney I see here and there.
If you love living in China, have fun. Don't worry, it's pretty big and I think even if I were to be 1/2 as big a prick as you think, it can't impact your or Joe's life very much.
I have one side note. I don't believe in adopting the local label for me. You can call yourself a "lao wai" but you should not unless you are ashamed of it. I didn't call myself a "gringo" or "gobacho" or any other nickname for American when I lived in Mexico. I also doubt they would do so to my face.
, especially since he's now got the inheritance from his Mommy and he can do whatever he wants to do.
SEAJ
Joe,
I don't care what you say, but do not refer to my mother as my "mommy". Your antics are enough. Stop talking about me personally, and argue my points only.
SE Asia Joe
11-13-09, 05:20
Joe,
I don't care what you say, but do not refer to my mother as my "mommy". Your antics are enough. Stop talking about me personally, and argue my points only.
LIke I said - I've given up on even trying to make sense with you.
OK - I apologize if my refering to your Mom as your Mommy offends you - but actually - why would it do that??
Strange..... but again - solly big fella!
SEAJ
Bob Builder
11-13-09, 08:25
Except that the people you mention from USA are the exception, not the rule. Also, Clinton was impeached and disbarred, the Enron guys are in jail. How's China's record in that area? I don't care who likes me or not, but I am not rude when I travel to foreign lands, I am not an ignoramus who offends his hosts. Do I think my hosts love me? Of course I don't. Are the Chinese girls curious about me? Absolutely. Don't believe me? Look at the numerous dating sites, shit, just look at Craigslist. Those "women seeking men" are not all hookers.
"Exception, not the rule". I'm not that young that I don't know what Watergate was. I have seen Forrest Gump lots of times. I am glad you deleted the comment about the pervert and the 11 yo girl. Are you implying that Chinese are inherently corrupt? I can give you a similar example straight off CNN from the US for every one you can bring up about China. Thing is people in the US should do know and do better but corruption still exists there.
China has the death penalty and send people to real prisons that would really dissuade you from crime. They don't give the guy a slap on the wrist, let him make millions off public appearances and let his wife run for president.
Anyways as I don't envisage we will be sticking our dicks into any of the same women, I don't see any problem in that respect.
Bob Builder
11-13-09, 08:29
OAH - thanks for your input on this - but I do think this is a lost cause.
I've given up and will just observe how Dash will come (eventually I presume!) to China and strut his stuff around. NO amount of reasoning or advise is ever gonna get through to him, especially since he's now got the inheritance from his Mommy and he can do whatever he wants to do.
I of course hate to see guys like him coming over and screwing things up for other Foreigners - including and especially you who've of course had more than your fair share of hassles just by being a White guy. But there ARE a minority of Americans like Dash who just cannot and do not get "it" and will persist on their Imperialistic and condescending ways. And there are of course other armchair pundits who would go ahead and encourage such - for God knows what reason except an equal measure of ignorance.
Like I said, I just give up - especially since it ain't gonna affect me personally one way or the other, whatever Dash do or not do.
SEAJ
Anyone with a cock and a wallet is competition. It doesn't matter what color it is, the cock or what's in the wallet. As you are unlike to hunt in the same forrest or bush, what does it matter.
just as a side note "laowai" is not a derogatory "label". Im not expert in Chinese but laowai and waiguoren are just two ways of saying foreigner. Gweilao may be derogatory but not laowai
just as a side note "laowai" is not a derogatory "label". Im not expert in Chinese but laowai and waiguoren are just two ways of saying foreigner. Gweilao may be derogatory but not laowai
My Beijing resident reports that Laowai can have an endearment or a pejorative meaning. I am not going to guess so I don't want to be referred to that way. In both cases, it connotes inferiority to the Lao Zhong. I am addressed by my name, or Mr. or Sir, or as an American.
My Beijing resident reports that Laowai can have an endearment or a pejorative meaning. I am not going to guess so I don't want to be referred to that way. In both cases, it connotes inferiority to the Lao Zhong. I am addressed by my name, or Mr. or Sir, or as an American.
Yeah it depends on how the person saying it says it, but I fail to see how it connotes inferiority in both cases. The word is the correct way of saying foreigner in Chinese, it only becomes "insulting" when the person saying it says it in a "sarcastic" (for lack of a better term) way. So what would you do if a local refers to you as a laowai?
You can call yourself a "lao wai" but you should not unless you are ashamed of it. I didn't call myself a "gringo" or "gobacho" or any other nickname for American when I lived in Mexico. I also doubt they would do so to my face.
As someone who is also fluent in Spanish I can tell you they aren't the same thing. Gringo is an insulting term while laowai (in its original, intended meaning) isnt. Chinese people refer to their foreign friends as laowai and they do not mean it in an offensive way at all but as someone who is not Chinese.
Yeah it depends on how the person saying it says it, but I fail to see how it connotes inferiority in both cases. The word is the correct way of saying foreigner in Chinese, it only becomes "insulting" when the person saying it says it in a "sarcastic" (for lack of a better term) way. So what would you do if a local refers to you as a laowai?
As someone who is also fluent in Spanish I can tell you they aren't the same thing. Gringo is an insulting term while laowai (in its original, intended meaning) isnt. Chinese people refer to their foreign friends as laowai and they do not mean it in an offensive way at all but as someone who is not Chinese.
I appreciate your comment. I would not be offended, but when I was called a "laowai" by a Chinese from Beijing I asked the meaning and it feels odd to be called "foreigner" by Chinese residing in my country. People whom I met personally in China called me by my name.
OldAsiaHand
11-14-09, 04:35
I appreciate your comment. I would not be offended, but when I was called a "laowai" by a Chinese from Beijing I asked the meaning and it feels odd to be called "foreigner" by Chinese residing in my country. People whom I met personally in China called me by my name.
Dash,
According to my understanding, Pig Fat is correct. Laowai is not a derogatory term at all.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand
11-14-09, 05:04
OAH,
I appreciate your comment, but where do we really disagree? Unfortunately I do have a big dick and I do fuck them for hours. Actually, the tart who grabbed me in Wanfujing said "You fuck good". If some hookers rejected me I won't care, I will never know. I have posted several times that I do NOT believe that Chinese girls TRULY would like me. Why not? Because they feel their culture is superior. Certainly it is different. I dispute superior.
Whether or not any Chinese girls are waiting for me is a scientific experiment. YRMV is the rule.
I do NOT think gorgeous Chinese single women are waiting for me. The ones waiting for me who are hookers will be much prettier than ones I meet "the old fashioned way." The Qingdao university students were pretty enough, but not 10s. I was able to meet them and was invited back to their dorm in my one single solo walk around Qingdao.
I am not arrogant. I am proud. False pride is absurd. I see some of this baloney on the forum and react to it.
Living in a foreign country is interesting, I have done it myself. After a while, you begin to perceive the tourists from your country as insensitive or clueless.
Whether or not I think monkeys, starfish, seahorses, dogs, rats are food or have medicinal properties or whether I believe "Qi" exists, etc. etc. does NOT mean I go around teasing, being obnoxious, or otherwise belittling my hosts. You and Joe don't want to give me any credit for having the least bit of tact. That's your assumption, but based on my posts that make fun of the baloney I see here and there.
If you love living in China, have fun. Don't worry, it's pretty big and I think even if I were to be 1/2 as big a prick as you think, it can't impact your or Joe's life very much.
I have one side note. I don't believe in adopting the local label for me. You can call yourself a "lao wai" but you should not unless you are ashamed of it. I didn't call myself a "gringo" or "gobacho" or any other nickname for American when I lived in Mexico. I also doubt they would do so to my face.
Dash,
Your posts have been contradictory. It may just be the tone or your attempts at humor, but, IMHO, they often come accross as arrogance.
I do not believe that whether a Chinese girl likes you or not has anything to do with cultural superiority. Girls are girls everywhere in the world and if you treat them with respect and understanding, they may like you. In China, you may not know where you stand since they are not straightforward in communication. You need to look for the signs.
On the other hand, if a hooker rejects you, you will know it. She will blatantly refuse to do you. That said, you will certainly find hookers to do in China. However, it may not be the top quality you are after. Even in a mongering environment, the cream of the crop do not need to do foreigners. That is just the reality I'm afraid.
Just my POV.
OAH
OAH, I appreciate your comment and will keep it in mind.
Some of my insensitive comments are maybe misdirected but in my defense I have been in difficult "negotiations" with a woman from Shanghai. She is a nice girl but seems to be exhitibing the traits for which Shanghai women are famous, i.e. something of a determined breed about getting their way. So, I'm a little bit up to here with the Chinese "ways".
I was at the KTV in the nicest hotel in Qingdao and none seemed to object when I was shown "the line up" of girls. I posted a photo here of one of my picks, let you be the judge of how she rates on a 1-10 scale. To me she was a 10 anyway.
Either way, if things don't settle down soon I'll be flying down to La Paz to a few girls and maybe a stop into a brothel with the most gorgeous women in the Republic of Mexico to entertain me and relieve my angst, haha.
I always respect the wisdom of those who have more experience, either in years or in the pursuits that I am much less experienced with myself. Thanks for your tips and I will always "speak softly and carry a big (duck) dick" wherever I roam in search of the finest girls in the world.
Bob Builder
11-14-09, 14:20
OAH, I appreciate your comment and will keep it in mind.
Some of my insensitive comments are maybe misdirected but in my defense I have been in difficult "negotiations" with a woman from Shanghai. She is a nice girl but seems to be exhitibing the traits for which Shanghai women are famous, i.e. something of a determined breed about getting their way. So, I'm a little bit up to here with the Chinese "ways".
I was at the KTV in the nicest hotel in Qingdao and none seemed to object when I was shown "the line up" of girls. I posted a photo here of one of my picks, let you be the judge of how she rates on a 1-10 scale. To me she was a 10 anyway.
Either way, if things don't settle down soon I'll be flying down to La Paz to a few girls and maybe a stop into a brothel with the most gorgeous women in the Republic of Mexico to entertain me and relieve my angst, haha.
I always respect the wisdom of those who have more experience, either in years or in the pursuits that I am much less experienced with myself. Thanks for your tips and I will always "speak softly and carry a big (duck) dick" wherever I roam in search of the finest girls in the world.
Shanghaiese women are famous for being smart in chosing men their victims / partners that they can control and they end up with men that are smarter than they think they are and are able to control them.
Even Shanghaiese men don't want to have Shanghaiese women as partners.
Shanghaiese women are famous for being smart in chosing men their victims / partners that they can control and they end up with men that are smarter than they think they are and are able to control them.
Even Shanghaiese men don't want to have Shanghaiese women as partners.
Holy shit! Wow, that's interesting! Thanks for the tip pal.
Bob Builder
11-15-09, 00:48
Holy shit! Wow, that's interesting! Thanks for the tip pal.
Maybe my wording was a bit confusing and what I meant was some guys out there are cocky enough to think they are pulling the strings on the Shanghaiese gal and she is smart enough to let you think that.
And if you are carrying her handbag when you go out, you are already her *****.
Maybe my wording was a bit confusing and what I meant was some guys out there are cocky enough to think they are pulling the strings on the Shanghaiese gal and she is smart enough to let you think that.
And if you are carrying her handbag when you go out, you are already her *****.
Wow, that's frightening. I wish I got more info from the guy who married one and the guy who has 9 (!?) in his 800 sq.ft. condo in San Francisco.
Side note: a guy living in San Francisco can get so much STRANGE it's unbelievable. 45% of unmarried men in San Fran are gay. The odds are just too good for a guy living up there to be in a bad situation.
I would love to hear from someone who can say how much fun it is to cohabitate with his inlaws that he cannot communicate with.
Rob Woodrow
11-15-09, 06:52
just as a side note "laowai" is not a derogatory "label". Im not expert in Chinese but laowai and waiguoren are just two ways of saying foreigner. Gweilao may be derogatory but not laowai
The problem is that "wai" can also mean "outside", which makes laowai a subtle way of calling you an outsider--even if you've lived in China for decades, can speak the language, and have a wife and children and a home and a business here.
Not every Chinese means it that way, and I'd guess that most of them haven't even thought of the word that way, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word.
Best expression I have heard used: Shanghainese women are cunning and controlling to the point where they can get their men to hand over their salary and wash their panties at the same time.
Maybe my wording was a bit confusing and what I meant was some guys out there are cocky enough to think they are pulling the strings on the Shanghaiese gal and she is smart enough to let you think that.
And if you are carrying her handbag when you go out, you are already her *****.
The problem is that "wai" can also mean "outside", which makes laowai a subtle way of calling you an outsider
Just like foreigner, means someone who is foreign. It comes from the latin "foris", you can guess what that means.
I would call you a foreigner if you had not taken out citizenship of my country.
BJK
The problem is that "wai" can also mean "outside", which makes laowai a subtle way of calling you an outsider--even if you've lived in China for decades, can speak the language, and have a wife and children and a home and a business here.
Not every Chinese means it that way, and I'd guess that most of them haven't even thought of the word that way, but that doesn't change the meaning of the word.
Anyone else notice? Americans always refer to visitors by their nationality. If I talk about one, I would say "this Chinese visitor" or "This Japanese tourist" or "This Puerto Rican baseball player" etc. We don't refer to people as "outside person"=Gaijin=Japanese, or "Laowai"=Foreigner=Chinese. I guess it's true, Americans are instinctively polite. Odd.
Crazy Jim Wood
11-15-09, 16:54
and of course in the U.S. it is customary to complain about "foreginers", "illegals", "migrant workers" etc getting free healthcare etc without specifying that the person in question is Mexican, Guatemalan, Ecuadoran, etc.
Usually in China and Japan gaijin/laowai means white, north american or western european, since they have more specific names for people from neighboring countries such as korea or russia, or different names for blacks from any region.
Anyone else notice? Americans always refer to visitors by their nationality. If I talk about one, I would say "this Chinese visitor" or "This Japanese tourist" or "This Puerto Rican baseball player" etc. We don't refer to people as "outside person"=Gaijin=Japanese, or "Laowai"=Foreigner=Chinese. I guess it's true, Americans are instinctively polite. Odd.
and of course in the U.S. it is customary to complain about "foreginers", "illegals", "migrant workers" etc getting free healthcare etc without specifying that the person in question is Mexican, Guatemalan, Ecuadoran, etc.
Usually in China and Japan gaijin/laowai means white, north american or western european, since they have more specific names for people from neighboring countries such as korea or russia, or different names for blacks from any region.
Apples and oranges. You wouldn't refer to your Mexican friend to another as "My foreign friend Pedro".
King Assington
11-15-09, 17:10
Apples and oranges. You wouldn't refer to your Mexican friend to another as "My foreign friend Pedro".Tut tut, more than likely I'd refer to him as, "My gardener".
SE Asia Joe
11-15-09, 18:20
Anyone else notice? Americans always refer to visitors by their nationality. If I talk about one, I would say "this Chinese visitor" or "This Japanese tourist" or "This Puerto Rican baseball player" etc. We don't refer to people as "outside person"=Gaijin=Japanese, or "Laowai"=Foreigner=Chinese. I guess it's true, Americans are instinctively polite. Odd.
WHAT???!!!!
And I guess all these racial epithets - The "N" word, WxP, WxT BxcK, Chxnk, Cxmel jxck, gxok, etc etc - wasn't invented in the USA and never gets used in America now huh??
I guess live IS different in Santa Cruz huh?
SEAJ
WHAT???!!!!
And I guess all these racial epithets - The "N" word, WxP, WxT B.xK, Chxnk, Cxmel jxck, gxok, etc etc - wasn't invented in the USA and never gets used in America now huh??
I guess live IS different in Santa Cruz huh?
SEAJ
Such epithets exist everywhere, including the USA. I can't read what you posted. To illustrate my point: In the USA I would say "Meet my Chinese friend Joe". In China you would say "Meet my foreigner friend Dash". Which sounds nicer?
Certainly, if you disliked me you would use some epithet, whatever they are in Chinese.
Such epithets exist everywhere, including the USA. I can't read what you posted. To illustrate my point: In the USA I would say "Meet my Chinese friend Joe". In China you would say "Meet my foreigner friend Dash". Which sounds nicer?
Certainly, if you disliked me you would use some epithet, whatever they are in Chinese.Sorry but I think there are times when they would say this because they don't know where you are from. yet other times when they do know where you are from, they don't care enough because just being foreign is different enough.
How would a Chinese person feel in the USA if you introduced him to another friend as korean? Or japanese?
How about you just use..... "Meet my friend Joe" why even bother to use Chinese in front of it?
In China, I would introduce all Western friends by their name and only their name. I would not include a "foreigner" in front of any sentence.
AsnDragon
Such epithets exist everywhere, including the USA. I can't read what you posted. To illustrate my point: In the USA I would say "Meet my Chinese friend Joe". In China you would say "Meet my foreigner friend Dash". Which sounds nicer?
Certainly, if you disliked me you would use some epithet, whatever they are in Chinese.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 06:26
Such epithets exist everywhere, including the USA. I can't read what you posted. To illustrate my point: In the USA I would say "Meet my Chinese friend Joe". In China you would say "Meet my foreigner friend Dash". Which sounds nicer?
Certainly, if you disliked me you would use some epithet, whatever they are in Chinese.
YES indeed - you would be just the type of person that would introduce me as "my Chinese friend Joe" instead of just "This is my friend Joe"
And in China - why would I or anybody else introduce you as "meet my foreigner friend Dash?" What, you don't look foreign enough?
And ALLL this from your authoritative, indisputable and the only correct fact derived from your vast and superior knoweldge of all things Chinese huh? From one or two visits to China and Drive ups to San Francisco's China town huh?!
SEAJ
YES indeed - you would be just the type of person that would introduce me as "my Chinese friend Joe" instead of just "This is my friend Joe"
And in China - why would I or anybody else introduce you as "meet my foreigner friend Dash?" What, you don't look foreign enough?
And ALLL this from your authoritative, indisputable and the only correct fact derived from your vast and superior knoweldge of all things Chinese huh? From one or two visits to China and Drive ups to San Francisco's China town huh?!
SEAJ
My point was it's not always comfortable for me to be called "foreigner" and I think in the USA we usually don't do this.
SE Asia Joe
11-16-09, 07:59
My point was it's not always comfortable for me to be called "foreigner" and I think in the USA we usually don't do this.
Yeah? And I am a "Non Resident alien" - that is the official U.S. government term for us "foreigners' coming over.
And yeah, you don't use the term foreigner - you use "other" terms like I outlined below.
Again you're coming on with this "I am American, I am superior" crap.
Look-it, we're all just lil' human beings living on this planet called Earth; our presence is fleeting and our influence/effect on mother earth is even less - so why don't you just accept the fact that you ain't superior and that nobody is superior. OK?
SEAJ
Rob Woodrow
11-16-09, 09:07
WHAT???!!!!
And I guess all these racial epithets - The "N" word...
That's part of my point--that N word at one time was not considered pejorative. Then it became "sometimes" pejorative. Now it always is.
I think "laowai" is at some point on that spectrum. If it's true that the word can be pejorative based on the intent of the speaker, then people who don't want to offend are going to need a new word. Baizhongren? I don't know.
My point was it's not always comfortable for me to be called "foreigner" and I think in the USA we usually don't do this.
Oh give me a frikken break, get off it. Also get off your high horse, it could be a steep fall.
When you come to this country, you have two choices at immigration: "Foreigners", "Chinese" - if you don't like that choice, stay out.
Next time you enter the US, check what the choices are. Similar.
I'm in possession of a card (it's not green) issued by the U.S. of A, that says "Resident Alien" on it, as if I'm from Mars. Does this [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off?
I have a brown Chinese document that says "Alien Employment Permit" and I don't feel alienated.
I am married to a Japanese and am in possession of a Japanese document that is widely called a "gaijin card." Does this drive me nuts?
When I want something, I send my Chinese folk to get it, they yell at each other and scream "The foreigner wants it." I seem to get it faster that way.
Actually, I'm pissed that the Chinese government now denies me the old black license plate that used to mark my car as owned by a laowei.
Anyway, what do you care? Last time you've been here was 2005. If you really want to get offended, go to Japan, and enter a tittie bar. They'll point at a sign that says "No Foreigners." We accept it. Not much titties anyway.
Didn't you say "when in Rome?"
Again, everyone missed my point. I will give an example to help you.
My Chinese friend from Beijing exchanged email with her Chinese friend in English about me and I was cc. She wrote in English "my laowai friend Dash". So, I was not offended, but I explained on this forum that we Americans don't usually use this expression. Even to two Chinese residing in my country I am called "foreigner" but this is the term Chinese like to use.
But, this website has helped me tremendously.
Dash,
You seem like you have plenty of time to be on the forum now. You are an old time member since Nov 2002. There was little activity from you for a long time, then all these reports within this year.
it looks like you want your own thread.
Dash,
You seem like you have plenty of time to be on the forum now. You are a old time member since Nov 2002. There was little activity from you for a long time, then all these reports within this year.
it looks like you want your own thread.
Only my admirers want me to have my own thread.
Anyway, what do you care? Last time you've been here was 2005. If you really want to get offended, go to Japan, and enter a tittie bar. They'll point at a sign that says "No Foreigners." We accept it. Not much titties anyway.
Didn't you say "when in Rome?"
I didn't go to tittie bars when I was in Japan. I had a TV actress to take care of me and we hung out in the Akasaka Prince hotel and ordered room service. But, that was years ago so things were easier for me then :)
FernandoAlonso
11-17-09, 12:26
Again, everyone missed my point. I will give an example to help you.
My Chinese friend from Beijing exchanged email with her Chinese friend in English about me and I was cc. She wrote in English "my laowai friend Dash". So, I was not offended, but I explained on this forum that we Americans don't usually use this expression. Even to two Chinese residing in my country I am called "foreigner" but this is the term Chinese like to use.
But, this website has helped me tremendously.Lao means old, wise as in laoshi, teacher, so this is honorable and wei just means outside, what on Earth is the problem, Chinese are in general sceptical but friendly to foreigners and given what they are told about is that is still a miracle for me. Chinese respect people and are warm and friendly if you know them and treat them right. Idiots are everywhere, so exceptions apply. But laowei is not an offense. They have them also, plenty, believe me.
OUT
FA
PS: Dash stop helping people, help yourself, you have no idea on China (and as it sounds also not about real America and Japan and Life and.)
I did not say laowai is *intentionally offensive*. Nor did I ever dispute that the few Chinese I met were not friendly, quite the opposite. The custom of calling everyone who is not Chinese "foreigner" is not universal among countries I have visited nor lived in. Do I like being called "laowai" while in the USA? No.
Dash,
Why would you be called "laowai" in The US, when you are American? When you go to England, I'm sure that some of them might call you a yankee, as a joke or just as a playful nickname. Are you going to start flipping tables and accusing the Brits as being unfriendly and rude?
Please, I think you take things too negatively sometimes.
AsnDragon
I did not say laowai is *intentionally offensive*. Nor did I ever dispute that the few Chinese I met were not friendly, quite the opposite. The custom of calling everyone who is not Chinese "foreigner" is not universal among countries I have visited nor lived in. Do I like being called "laowai" while in the USA? No.
Folks, this is getting out of hand. The general sections of ISG China are turning into a Dashetteria. (The regional sections are spared, because he has nothing to contribute.) Since he's clearly beyond salvage, PLEASE, boys, don't feed the troll no more. Ignore him. Do what Eaglestar did: Put him on your ignore list.
Please do not answer any Dash posts, as braindead and offensive they may be. He just comes back for more.
Let's get back to the main topic. What was it again? I forgot ...
SE Asia Joe
11-18-09, 06:48
Folks, this is getting out of hand. The general sections of ISG China are turning into a Dashetteria. (The regional sections are spared, because he has nothing to contribute.) Since he's clearly beyond salvage, PLEASE, boys, don't feed the troll no more. Ignore him. Do what Eaglestar did: Put him on your ignore list.
Please do not answer any Dash posts, as braindead and offensive they may be. He just comes back for more.
Let's get back to the main topic. What was it again? I forgot ...
Zhuren, with all due respect to your always sensible, useful AND amusing posts, I would like to say that I actually am of two minds on this matter.
I of course think that Dash hasn't got a clue and blabbers off on things he not only knows nothing about - but does it incessantly. I mean - the guy doesn't even speak Chinese and he's telling us how NOT to address him .... IN CHINESE??!! I'd like to call him some of the more "colourful" expressions we have for Laowais!!
And him not even being able to handle ONE gal... for a good part of THREE years.... and coming on here to moan, groan and... I don't know what!!!
But to me, he does offer a kind of "comic relief" and makes a good target for anybody who wants to vent! I mean - he's totally clueless and practically a caricature of an "American BSD Wannabe"
What better punching bag??
Just IMHO..... and a chance for ole Mr. Sir Balder Dash to come back on!!
SEAJ
But to me, he does offer a kind of "comic relief" and makes a good target for anybody who wants to vent! I mean - he's totally clueless and practically a caricature of an "American BSD Wannabe"
What better punching bag??
Just IMHO..... and a chance for ole Mr. Sir Balder Dash to come back on!!
The Mr. Sir Balder Dash clinched it ... I bow to your wisdom. So, let's punch him some more. I'm actually thinking of offering him a sales position. I can use people who don't take no for an answer, who are totally oblivious to other people's feelings and who just go on and on and on until the other side gives up in despair.
SE Asia Joe
11-18-09, 10:44
The Mr. Sir Balder Dash clinched it ... I bow to your wisdom. So, let's punch him some more. I'm actually thinking of offering him a sales position. I can use people who don't take no for an answer, who are totally oblivious to other people's feelings and who just go on and on and on until the other side gives up in despair.
ROFLMAO!!!!
Yes, Yes, Yes, hire this guy and he'll sell the hell out of anything - whether he knows what he's selling or not - he'll just blindly go and selll!!
So Mr, Sir, Captain America - whereforth art thou?
SEAJ
I have a special friend in China that I visit when there. She jokingly calls me "yang gui zi". She says that it's derogatory for foreigner but couldn't give me a literal translation. Any help? My Pin Yin dictionary doesn't have this combination of words together.
洋鬼子 = Yang2 Gui3 Zi = Foreign Devil, Foreign ghost
Roughly equivalent to the "Gweilo" used by Cantonese speakers. It also has the term "ghost" in it.
"LaoWai" is much nicer by comparison. It just indicates that you are from "outside" (of China) and hence a foreigner, without being derogatory.
Stegram, I hope your special friend only calls you YangGuiZi in private, not in front of others.
I have a special friend in China that I visit when there. She jokingly calls me "yang gui zi". She says that it's derogatory for foreigner but couldn't give me a literal translation. Any help? My Pin Yin dictionary doesn't have this combination of words together.
Clandestine782
11-19-09, 10:59
I have had some books mailed to me in China on many occasions.
Almost all of the titles have arrived-- and strangely enough, the only title that didn't arrive was NOT a controversial title. (Herbie Hancock Note for Note Transcriptions. It is piano music.) This book was very likely lost in the mail.
Questions:
1. If a book is censored and it is pulled out of the mail (and that has only happened one time-- with the Herbie Hancock book), do you get a notice that it was taken out? (I have had some really rough books sent that would have been taken out. Books about the myth of monogamy. Even biographies of Chairman Mao. Books about famines. Every single one arrived. I wrote the address label in Chinese so that it would not have to stop and be translated-- hence subject to extra scrutiny.)
2. What is the longest time anyone has ever waited to have a book mailed to them/ to receive some mail?
3. Out of all the packages that you have ever had sent, how many of them were opened? I don't think I've had a single package opened (although a friend of mine said that her package was opened and she was missing two curlers).
All this comes about because I am trying to figure out what happened to that book. I know that jazz was illegal at some point in China (because it was decadent), but I though that was over. The other possibility is that someone opened the package and saw English words and just decided to throw it away ("Oh, that's not supposed to be there."). Or maybe they saw the music notes (since the book only contained about one paragraph of English words) and didn't know what it was and just threw it away.
Any other likely possibilities? Experiences that you guys have had with missing books/ stuff in the mail? Is priority mail less likely to be lost?
I have a special friend in China that I visit when there. She jokingly calls me "yang gui zi". She says that it's derogatory for foreigner but couldn't give me a literal translation. Any help? My Pin Yin dictionary doesn't have this combination of words together.
I do not underatand why much fuss is made about what local people refer to you as. In every country if you do not know the language they will talk among themselves about you whether it is derogatory or not.
I have lived in China off and on for 5 years now. I have had a few girlfriends and some lived with me. More often than not she will invite one or more of her friends when we go out partying. They will chit chat among themselves. As for me I just ignore their comments entirely.
? = Yang2 Gui3 Zi = Foreign Devil, Foreign ghost
Roughly equivalent to the "Gweilo" used by Cantonese speakers. It also has the term "ghost" in it.
"LaoWai" is much nicer by comparison. It just indicates that you are from "outside" (of China) and hence a foreigner, without being derogatory.
Stegram, I hope your special friend only calls you YangGuiZi in private, not in front of others.Thanks, Wadman.
She never says this in front of others, and when she does use this term, I often address her by her pet name that I have for her: Chinky Farm Girl. (BTW. I don't have a racist bone in my body). It's all in fun.
I actually find some Chinese girls to be like New Yorkers in this respect. Good with the rough humor and not easily offended if they know you're just teasing them.
I was just wondering what she was actually calling me since she couldn't translate.
Thanks, Wadman.
She never says this in front of others, and when she does use this term, I often address her by her pet name that I have for her: Chinky Farm Girl. (BTW. I don't have a racist bone in my body). It's all in fun.
I actually find some Chinese girls to be like New Yorkers in this respect. Good with the rough humor and not easily offended if they know you're just teasing them.
I was just wondering what she was actually calling me since she couldn't translate.
I've called Lil "Chicom spy" but she doesn't understand the reference. I told her she was doing "genetic spying" to "steal our DNA" and take it back to China. She has not figured out however how to carry it over while holding it in her mouth.
OldAsiaHand
11-20-09, 03:12
I have had some books mailed to me in China on many occasions.
Almost all of the titles have arrived-- and strangely enough, the only title that didn't arrive was NOT a controversial title. (Herbie Hancock Note for Note Transcriptions. It is piano music.) This book was very likely lost in the mail.
Questions:
1. If a book is censored and it is pulled out of the mail (and that has only happened one time-- with the Herbie Hancock book), do you get a notice that it was taken out? (I have had some really rough books sent that would have been taken out. Books about the myth of monogamy. Even biographies of Chairman Mao. Books about famines. Every single one arrived. I wrote the address label in Chinese so that it would not have to stop and be translated-- hence subject to extra scrutiny.)
2. What is the longest time anyone has ever waited to have a book mailed to them/ to receive some mail?
3. Out of all the packages that you have ever had sent, how many of them were opened? I don't think I've had a single package opened (although a friend of mine said that her package was opened and she was missing two curlers).
All this comes about because I am trying to figure out what happened to that book. I know that jazz was illegal at some point in China (because it was decadent), but I though that was over. The other possibility is that someone opened the package and saw English words and just decided to throw it away ("Oh, that's not supposed to be there."). Or maybe they saw the music notes (since the book only contained about one paragraph of English words) and didn't know what it was and just threw it away.
Any other likely possibilities? Experiences that you guys have had with missing books/ stuff in the mail? Is priority mail less likely to be lost?
Clandestine,
I doubt you will ever find out that they removed anything from the package. I receive mail that has been opened and resealed occasionally. I have also noticed mail being delayed up to one month from the postmark.
OAH
FreebieFan
11-20-09, 04:38
Yeah? And I am a "Non Resident alien" - that is the official U.S. government term for us "foreigners' coming over.
And yeah, you don't use the term foreigner - you use "other" terms like I outlined below.
Again you're coming on with this "I am American, I am superior" crap.
Look-it, we're all just lil' human beings living on this planet called Earth; our presence is fleeting and our influence/effect on mother earth is even less - so why don't you just accept the fact that you ain't superior and that nobody is superior. OK?
SEAJGreat words of wisdom there SEA J.
I'm in Malaysia and every newpaper every day states how all the ills of the country are caused by " foreigners" Whcih means every part fo humanity thats not Malaysian.
Personall I think the use of the word Non Malaysian might be better, but in 50 years, 100 years etc. None od this matters one iota.
SE Asia Joe
11-20-09, 06:58
I've called Lil "Chicom spy" but she doesn't understand the reference. I told her she was doing "genetic spying" to "steal our DNA" and take it back to China. She has not figured out however how to carry it over while holding it in her mouth.
Sooooo..... is she then required to call you Sir, Mr. DAsh in turn?!
And never dare to even contemplate uttering the dreaded "L" word in your magnificent presence?
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
Sooooo..... is she then required to call you Sir, Mr. DAsh in turn?!
And never dare to even contemplate uttering the dreaded "L" word in your magnificent presence?
Muahahaha!!
SEAJ
"Lil" is from "Shanghai Lii" a reference to Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story.
"On The Peking ferry I was feeling merry.
Sailing on my way back here.
I fell in love with a slit-eyed lady.
By the light of an eastern moon.
Shanghai Lil never used the pill,
'She claimed that it just ain't natural'.
She took me up on deck and bit my neck.
Oh people I was glad I found her."
The women I've known I wouldn't let tie my shoe
They wouldn't give you the time of day.
But the slit-eyed lady knocked me off my feet.
God I was so glad I found her."
She has not heard the song nor probably of Rod Stewart. But Lil is a positive figure in this song, is she not?
I call her Lil to the people here since her real name should be kept secret. Although, actually, maybe 100 million use the same name, I don't know.
She doesn't call my name very often, I just remembered. It's a little odd.
Oh, ooops. Laowai? I don't know since she doesn't speak to others when she is with me.
SE Asia Joe
11-21-09, 07:26
Oh, ooops. Laowai? I don't know since she doesn't speak to others when she is with me.
You really ARE sauced - aintcha??!!
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
11-21-09, 07:59
You really ARE sauced - aintcha??!!
SEAJ
SEAJ - Please stop responding to this guy. I have put him on my ignore list but i cannot escape him if you keep this dialogue going. Please.
SE Asia Joe
11-21-09, 08:45
SEAJ - Please stop responding to this guy. I have put him on my ignore list but i cannot escape him if you keep this dialogue going. Please.
My apologies to you.... and others who realy is sick and tired of this character.
On the other hand, could you please read the reason why I think its a good idea to NEVER shut this guy up as per my post page before this?
955441
This Sir, Mr. BSD WANNABE is a perfect punching bag!
But if you and others really want me to stop encouraging him.... well.... I will.... reluctantly.... do so as he's more clownish rather than much of any harm.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
My apologies to you.... and others who realy is sick and tired of this character.
On the other hand, could you please read the reason why I think its a good idea to NEVER shut this guy up as per my post page before this?
955441
This Sir, Mr. BSD WANNABE is a perfect punching bag!
But if you and others really want me to stop encouraging him.... well.... I will.... reluctantly.... do so as he's more clownish rather than much of any harm.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
You should know you are violating forum rules. I have not gotten personal with anyone here. You are calling me a punching bag, a wannabe, clownish and a character. You have a thin skin and a chip on your shoulder but that's your issue, not mine. Have a nice cold glass of Chinese milk and relax. I someday may have to post the opinions of various Chinese girls about Chinese men, now THAT would be insulting to some of you on this forum.
You should know you are violating forum rules. I have not gotten personal with anyone here. You are calling me a punching bag, a wannabe, clownish and a character. You have a thin skin and a chip on your shoulder but that's your issue, not mine. Have a nice cold glass of Chinese milk and relax. I someday may have to post the opinions of various Chinese girls about Chinese men, now THAT would be insulting to some of you on this forum.
Dash, are you that dense or are you making it up? How long does it usually take you to realize that nobody likes you at a party and that it's time to leave? If you are so big on forum rules, then read the part about the serial antagonist. Seems to be written for you.
FernandoAlonso
11-25-09, 12:11
Dash, are you that dense or are you making it up? How long does it usually take you to realize that nobody likes you at a party and that it's time to leave? If you are so big on forum rules, then read the part about the serial antagonist. Seems to be written for you.Seconded, no contribution whatsoever and now attacking the long term contributors here.
Just leave
FA
Captain Yonoi
11-25-09, 14:05
I'm looking for some advice from anyone on this board that lives in China now who also has done time in Japan. Over here in Japan, I always feel very "safe" while mongering. There have been no "raids" that I have heard about while I've been in this country. I'm thinking of coming to China to work around April. After researching the China board, looks like there is plenty of fun to be had but I'm seeing the word "raid" all over the board in all the big cities.
So my big question is "Is it safe? " (Lawrence Olivier, Marathon Man). Would any senior members who have been in both countries care to compare/contrast the two scenes a bit? Any predictions (I know it's hard) for where the best/safest city would be come spring?
I've also read a certain post saying something like "It's a huge paperwork hassle for Chinese Authorities to arrest a foreigner, so they usually just let you go". Is that true? This actually happened to anyone?
So my big question is "Is it safe? " (Lawrence Olivier, Marathon Man). Would any senior members who have been in both countries care to compare/contrast the two scenes a bit? Any predictions (I know it's hard) for where the best/safest city would be come spring?
My wife is Japanese and we travel back and forth.
1.) There are occasional raids in Tokyo. Usually by the end of the year, when a quota has to be filled. There also were raids during Tokyo's campaign for the Olympics. Some of our beloved swing clubs had been targeted, and some of our friends had been arrested for public indecency.... Both Japanese and gaijin.
2.) In China, if there is a raid, usually (YMMV ) only the females will be checked and the patrons won't be bothered. At least in the civilized places such as Beijing. I once was present during a raid, I was being ignored.
3.) I'd say the safest city in general and for the sport is Beijing. The focus of the raids has moved South. And even during the dry pre-Olympics and pre-60th anniversary times, Beijing's Finest behaved professionally and courteous. With drugs, it's a different story.
4.) In general, if you stay at a certain level of quality, and if you are not making a nuisance out of yourselves, you are fine.
In the Shanghai Daily today
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/article/2009/200911/20091125/article_420589.htm
ES
SE Asia Joe
11-26-09, 09:06
This article appeared in today's edition of the SCMP
SEAJ
Crackdown fails to scare Dongguan's sex-trade veterans
Fiona Tam in Dongguan
Nov 26, 2009
They work in hotels, saunas, massage parlours and karaoke bars; an army of 300,000 whose existence is unacknowledged, whose activities are illegal, and whose industry is irresistibly lucrative and impossible to wipe out.
Dongguan has become known as the sex capital of China, where shrewd operators - abetted by accommodating officials - have built a prostitution empire that is estimated to contribute 20 to 30 per cent of the service industry's total output.
Under orders from the Ministry of Public Security, municipal authorities this month embarked on a high-profile crackdown to rid the city of this stain, which the party chief admitted was "disgraceful". But clamping down is not as simple as closing brothels, jailing operators and removing women.
When an estimated one in 10 migrant workers - between 500,000 and 800,000 people - are involved in the sex industry, the impact of a major crackdown would be intense, especially in a manufacturing hub that was buffeted harder than almost any other region by the economic downturn. Added to this is the resistive power of vested interests: wealthy operators, corrupt officials and others who profit from the industry.
Prostitution was outlawed by the Communist Party after it took power in 1949, but since the opening up began three decades ago, the world's oldest profession made a comeback. Restrictions were relaxed by local authorities, who could either profit from it or who lacked sufficient resources to keep it at bay.
In Dongguan, the scale of the industry attracted Beijing's attention. The city was given until the end of this month to get its house in order; otherwise it would be given the worst crime ranking by inspectors from the Central Committee for Comprehensive Management of Public Security.
Party chief Liu Zhigeng vowed to eradicate the city's sex industry, and severely punish cadres and police who colluded with operators. "Many wives feel anxious whenever their husbands take business trips to Dongguan. It's disgraceful," he said.
However, analysts were sceptical about the campaign.
"A real crackdown on prostitution would undoubtedly destroy Dongguan's economy amid global recession, and this raises the fear of political distrust of Guangdong authorities by the central government," prominent economic and political columnist Jin Xinyi said. "More than 500,000 people could be unemployed if Dongguan clamped down on all brothels, massage parlours, nightclubs, sex hotels, sauna centres and karaoke bars."
According to a brothel operator who has lived in Dongguan for 30 years, the sex industry is highly developed and run in the same way as legitimate private businesses. Recruiting is standardised, training is provided, and marketing strategies are conceived and executed.
A Changping township resident with detailed knowledge of the industry said anti-sex sweeps had come and gone but prostitution had never been eradicated due to government complicity.
"The city has more than 120 top-end luxury hotels and hundreds of other mid-range places that offer illegal sexual services or lease floors to sex operators. Many township cadres are shareholders in these venues and are offered sexual services as bribes," he said. "Successful operators ... have been given important positions at local chambers of commerce and are interviewed in newspapers as public figures."
At a press conference this month, police chief Cui Jian complained that he faced huge pressure whenever he tried to raid a brothel - from cadres who would flood into the bureau and plead on behalf of the operators. And proof of the industry's strength came during police sweeps this month. Only low-level brothels were shut down, while luxury establishments with strong backing continued to enjoy good business.
On November 9, nearly 2,000 police raided low-end brothels, including around 50 in Changan township, where prostitutes charge 50 to 100 yuan (HK$57-HK$114) for sexual services. But 50 kilometres away, luxury hotels in Changping and Houjie townships were overwhelmed by clients, some of whom had to find other venues as the prostitutes were fully booked. An operator identified as He Yan said her well-backed brothel, 20 metres from Houjie's police bureau, was untouched.
On the same night at a mid-range chain hotel in Houjie, operator Liu Qin encouraged clients to pick from one of her 40 prostitutes, saying the venue was protected by cadres and was the safest place in town.
Sex operators from mid-range sauna centres and nightclubs said they hoped the crackdown would not last long, and believed the government had no intention of stamping out prostitution.
"A simple calculation shows you how much the industry has contributed to Dongguan," one operator said. "The average client spends 500 to 800 yuan per visit, which translates into a huge sum when a city has 300,000 prostitutes."
Clients came from all over East Asia. "Many are employed in Dongguan as factory managers or are travelling on business," he said.
Ding Yu , a researcher from the School of Sociology and Anthropology at Sun Yat-Sen University who specialises in the region's sex industry, said factory assembly lines were a rich source of sex workers for Dongguan's brothels.
"Rather than being forced or facing harassment, most prostitutes I have talked to are voluntarily working in the industry after quitting sweatshops," she said. "They regard it as a normal job and are happy to earn 10 to 20 times more than their previous factory work.
"Migrant workers getting rich quickly by working as prostitutes will definitely encourage others to follow suit. I have seen all the female migrant workers of an entire village working as prostitutes."
Pan Suiming , a professor from Renmin University and one of China's leading experts on prostitution, has for the past decade advocated legalising the sex industry and recognising the right to work as a prostitute.
"China's sweatshops have fostered prostitution because female workers don't have other career opportunities," Pan said. "Our surveys showed that 90 per cent of prostitutes tried to find a factory job before working in the sex industry. Many said they were squeezed by sweatshops. Very few prostitutes said they wanted to return to the assembly lines."
SE Asia Joe
11-26-09, 09:18
And also this accompanying article in today's South China Morning Post
Party chief vows to crack down but excessive measures will be avoided
Fiona Tam
Nov 26, 2009
Dongguan authorities have vowed to clamp down on prostitution, but said excessive measures and blanket closures would be avoided.
Party chief Liu Zhigeng , who is under huge pressure after Beijing voiced concerns, promised a high-profile crackdown after central government inspectors threatened to give the city the worst possible crime rating.
While reiterating that Dongguan had to rid itself of its reputation as the sex capital of China, Liu said police and officials should not simply wipe out all entertainment venues.
"Township governments should be aware of the limits of the crackdown. They should not overdo things and seize every venue and club," he was quoted as saying by the Southern Metropolis News yesterday.
Meanwhile, mayor Li Yuquan said Dongguan's reputation as a centre for vice and drugs was a public illusion. "Many people believe Dongguan has a huge number of prostitutes and drug traffickers. That's a misconception," Li said.
"People see so many luxury hotels in Dongguan and think most provide sexual services. That is incorrect. Also, Dongguan has a large floating population, and information is exchanged at a faster rate than in other places. Many criminal cases have been exaggerated by the public."
It was not the first time the mayor had attempted to defend his city's reputation. In July, Li told Hong Kong media that the sex industry operated according to market demands.
"I don't think Dongguan has a large number of karaoke bars and nightclubs - they're all built to meet market demand," he said at the time. "Actually, official numbers show the city has only 195."
The mayor denied a clampdown on "special services" would harm the city's economy. "Any campaign to crack down on prostitution, drug abuse and crime won't affect our economic growth," he told Hong Kong media. "We have strict regulations to manage entertainment venues, and will fight crime as usual."
It is widely acknowledged that most karaoke bars, massage parlours, nightclubs, hotels and saunas provide sexual services when requested. Analysts believe Dongguan will struggle to eradicate prostitution because it has become a key industry.
Thanks for posting ! Useful for a tired old hand like me ....
Wapec may not ride again (for a while at least)
And also this accompanying article in today's South China Morning Post
South Gate
11-27-09, 13:31
Crackdowns on illegal activities happen when political leaders wish to show their bosses that they are enforcing the law. xxx city becomes known for widespread prostitution and the mayor or party secretary in xxx city tries to convince the provincial or national government that they are closing the brothels. So they close a few and arrest a few pimps. But the bosses in Beijing and the provincial capital dont really care very much about the result. It is mostly a show. The most telling parts of the stories Joe quotes are the lines about "one in ten migrant workers are involved in prostitution" and practically "every kareoke, massage parlour offers special services when asked". In a typical Chinese city with 4 million permanent residents, there are usually at least that many migrants (4 million). One in ten migrants means that 400000 are involved in prostitution in that city. If a large proportion of these 400000 presumably females lose their jobs in the thousands of massage parlors, saunas and karaoke bars where they work, they will have to return to the villages (unlikely), find other work(difficult to impossible) or find another form of prostitution. So inside of a year, crackdown is over and everything is back to normal. . In another article quoted in this thread, Shanghai 90 percent of Shanghai girls in their 20s report having had sex before marriage compared to only 56% 14 years ago. That is much more predictive of the availability of sex in China in the future than a few crackdowns.
And also this accompanying article in today's South China Morning Post
With whats happening in Chongqing, I feel that they may have more crackdown in various areas just to keep this in check.
The Communist Party really do not want to turn China into a Thailand.
There is going to be more crackdown in south china.
Can anyone recommend a good English speaking driver with a good car in Beijing. At a reasonable price.
Looking for one for about a half day. Bringing my Filipino friend from SH to Beijing for some site seeing, and need a car to go out to the Great Wall one day.
Thanks
Can anyone recommend a good English speaking driver with a good car in Beijing. At a reasonable price.
Looking for one for about a half day. Bringing my Filipino friend from SH to Beijing for some site seeing, and need a car to go out to the Great Wall one day.
Thanks
I don't know anything about Beijing, but won't your hotel help you with this arrangement?
Sent you a PM with a contact.
Can anyone recommend a good English speaking driver with a good car in Beijing. At a reasonable price.
Looking for one for about a half day. Bringing my Filipino friend from SH to Beijing for some site seeing, and need a car to go out to the Great Wall one day.
Thanks
Rob Woodrow
12-09-09, 02:30
Yeah? And I am a "Non Resident alien" - that is the official U.S. government term for us "foreigners' coming over.
I would give good money to be recognized as the equivalent of a "Non Resident Alien" in China. In fact, good money is exactly what it takes--about US$500,000 of it. Kudos to you for getting that status. Even if I get married here, I get the wonderful privilege of applying for a "Visiting Relative" visa *every year*.
The US is pretty horrid at treating foreigners, but China is far from wonderful at it.
And I still think "Non Resident Alien" is better than "Outsider". YMMV.
One Eyed Man
12-09-09, 15:24
This article appeared in today's edition of the SCMP
...
Clients came from all over East Asia. "Many are employed in Dongguan as factory managers or are travelling on business," he said.
...
SEAJ
I see good news that the pair of the articles failed to point out that Dongguan has become internationally famous (i.e., on this board) and has attracted customers from all over, not just factory managers (i.e., you and me.)
SE Asia Joe
12-16-09, 17:07
This is today's China Hush.
Aplogize that is NOT a mongering article - but nonetheless probably important for us mongers to know when we ponder about where things are headed - and how this all is gonna affect our favorite hobby.
Just FYI
The disaster of Chimerica Can both sides be losers?
Posted: 14 Dec 2009 09:28 PM PST
In early 2007, Niall Ferguson coined the term Chimerica to describe the economic relationship between the United States and China. At first, in 2007, Ferguson said Chimerica seemed like a match made in heaven the Chinese did the lending, the Americans the borrowing. China and the US accounted for 40 percent of global growth from 1998 to 2007.
Now, Ferguson has decided otherwise. In a New York Times editorial written before Obamas visit to China, Ferguson says, Right now, Chimerica clearly serves China better than America. Call it the 10:10 deal: the Chinese get 10 percent growth; America gets 10 percent unemployment. Ferguson is not the only Western scholar to make these points from articles Ive read in the Economist to the Wall Street Journal to Reuters, there seems to be a general consensus that China could treat the US a little better, specifically through a currency revaluation.
The Western media has provided the Chinese point of view via vague and brief remarks from Chinese officials. Until I started reading Chinese blogs on the issue, I was unclear on Chinas side of the story. As Abraham Lincoln says, These men ask for just the same thing, fairness, and fairness only. In such a complicated economic relationship such as the one between China and America, is there really a way to determine the fairness of the relationship?
Zhang Hongliang is an economist that has been writing blog articles concerning Chinas economic and financial situation since 2006 and his blog articles have received widespread attention, especially for his biting criticism of Chimerica and the harm that it has done to China. He says that Chimerica is nothing more than a cyclical continuation of a colonial-style economy.
Last week, Zhang Hongliang came to lecture at Beijing University and made the following six points about the impact of Chimerica on China:
- The formation of a new pattern of industrialization: The US enjoys the accomplishments of industrialization while China bears the burden of the negative effects of industrialization. This means that the three disasters of the modern economy are all shifted to China: environmental pollution and the depletion of resources, overproduction, and inflation.
- The formation of a new pattern of the distribution of wealth: Whatever China has, the US gets to enjoy. This double-loop leads to the outflow of Chinas wealth and locks in Chinas poverty.
- The formation of a new pattern of economic development: China has become the international milking cow and the worlds garage. In terms of the economy: foreign trade accounts for two-thirds of Chinas GDP and foreign investment accounts for two-thirds of foreign trade. In terms of production: the West uses rules to control finance, capital to control resources, technology to control industry, and brands to control the market. In terms of resources: the West uses centralized planning to handle Chinas market decentralization.
- The integration and assimilation of the interests of the wealthy people in the US and China intensifies the burden on the ordinary Chinese people.
- Political influences can be seen in the integration of US and Chinese policies. Chinas policies have to account for and be built upon the foundations of American policy, and Chinas decisions are all in consideration of the requests of the US.
- Cultural influences are noticeable in the increasing Americanization of Chinese ideology and culture. Not only is Chinese culture more and more resembling American culture, the way in which Chinese culture is changing is fulfilling the hopes of the US. Also, in terms of spiritual culture, China and the US are walking toward opposite ends of the spectrum.
In a recent blog article, Zhang Hongliang writes:
First, the US used dollars to get Chinas goods, then they used bonds to get Chinas dollars, and now they want to use stocks to get back their bonds, lastly, they will use the stocks to make China in debt; eventually China is not only handing over goods to the US in vain, not only handing over US dollars to the US in vain, but China will eventually be in debt to the US!
On the other side of the Chimerica coin, Ferguson writes:
The authorities in Beijing must be made to see that any book losses on its reserve assets resulting from changes in the exchange rate will be a modest price to pay for the advantages they reaped from the Chimerica model: the transformation from third-world poverty to superpower status in less than 15 years. In any case, these losses would be more than compensated for by the increase in the dollar value of Chinas huge stock of Renminbi assets.
According to this Forbes article, the US is now spending trillions of dollars to help its own economy out of the recession, Chinas main currency investment is also devaluing: dollars. In the end, China ends up financing the economic recovery of the US because they have to continue buying dollars to keep the value of the renminbi down and dollars up.
Now, I am not a qualified economist by any means, but it seems like the Chimerica model is failing in many respects. Otherwise, why would both sides be complaining about the relationship?
Rather than the symbiotic relationship it was supposed to be, it seems that both sides are realizing they have less control over the other than they actually need. China cannot control US spending and the US cannot control Chinas currency values. The best case scenario will be that the past year or so will be a learning experience for both sides and the US and China can learn to cooperate, realize that not everything can be win-win and that long terms interests should not be sacrificed for short term gain.
SEAJ
Clandestine782
12-16-09, 17:49
It may not affect our favorite hobby-- at least for those of us earning in Chinese RMB. I suspect that the price of mongering will go up quite a bit-- but that will have to do with domestic factors blossoming (i.e., severe sex imbalance). Taiwan has a shitty pay for play scene. If China's income ever rises to that level, the same thing could happen here. But that may be a long time down the road-- if ever.
But the article does make some interesting points. Currency pegs always and everywhere fail over the long run-- with the exception of currency board currency pegs (like Hong Kong, Bermuda, etc). Currency board pegs won't ever move, but the price of domestic assets must move in such a way as to maintain the price of the currencies in question.
But could it last forever? China tried (and is trying) to do a Japan, Inc-- but with 10x the population and some really rough structural problems. Wouldn't those inconsistencies/ imbalances show up *somewhere*? And yes, the article is right. It doesn't seem that way, but the US has taken away most of the benefits of the relationship. Chinese people selling goods to buy dollars that are too expensive to buy T bills that will probably be monetized to worthlessness as demographic disaster hits. And if they didn't buy Tbills, they bought stock and real estate instruments that turned into trash. I was reading MSN Money, and it seems that if you were anyone who invested in the US stock market as of this point (from the 1990s), you would have been better off leaving your money at home.
Clean Gene
12-19-09, 09:22
This is today's China Hush.
Aplogize that is NOT a mongering article - but nonetheless probably important for us mongers to know when we ponder about where things are headed - and how this all is gonna affect our favorite hobby.
Just FYI
SEAJ
Thanks for the insightful 'China Hush'.
China can keep the dollar rmb exchange rate constant simply by creating new rmb as fast as America creates new dollars. (eg the mirror stimuli.)
The EU is struggling mightily to create Euros as fast or faster than America can create dollars. (Obama is pulling ahead this year. But EU is not far behind.)
Niall Ferguson has a political agenda to push. And he does push hard. (One can see the difference between his BBC documentary versus his PBS one.)
CG
SE Asia Joe
12-19-09, 09:27
Thanks for the insightful 'China Hush'.
China can keep the dollar rmb exchange rate constant simply by creating new rmb as fast as America creates new dollars. (eg the mirror stimuli.)
The EU is struggling mightily to create Euros as fast or faster than America can create dollars. (Obama is pulling ahead this year. But EU is not far behind.)
Niall Ferguson has a political agenda to push. And he does push hard. (One can see the difference between his BBC documentary versus his PBS one.)
CG
The bug-bear to all this is of course inflation.
And China seems to be on the loosing end here with inflation relatively tame in western economies compared to China's continuing and accelerating rises in PPI and CPI.
This I think/surmise is because of the structural difference in spending patterns
SEAJ
Clean Gene
12-19-09, 09:49
The bug-bear to all this is of course inflation.
And China seems to be on the loosing end here with inflation relatively tame in western economies compared to China's continuing and accelerating rises in PPI and CPI.
This I think/surmise is because of the structural difference in spending patterns
SEAJ
Good insight.
Another reason is that the dollar is a 'reserve currency' used to float world trade, etc. (But America can still have inflation--like the factor of 10 inflation three decades ago.) China does not want the rmb to be a speculative vehicle (eg the hedger's raids on Asian currencies in the late 1990's.) But they are making careful moves in this direction.
CG
SE Asia Joe
12-20-09, 07:01
In a city full of nubile, YOUNG, porcelain-skinned beauties you had to chose a dark-skinned old one whos a GUY?!! Just coz you could speak Taglish with her?
And you WHAT??!! You actually reported to the police??!!
What were you thinking Dude
??!!
SEAJ
From Sunday Morning Post, December 20, 2009, International.
Filipino cross-dressers jailed for sex scam
Five Filipino transvestites who lured foreign men from bars in Shanghai before drugging and then robbing them have been jailed for up to 13 years. The men, aged between 26 and 30, dressed in womens clothes during the robberies committed between December last year and February, Xinhua reported. They would go with the men to hotels or the victims homes with promises of sex, but once there would drug them with chocolate or beer laced with sleeping pills. The stolen goods totaled 340,000 yuan (HK$386,200), Xinhua said. AFP
In a city full of nubile, YOUNG, porcelain-skinned beauties you had to chose a dark-skinned old one whos a GUY?!! Just coz you could speak Taglish with her?
And you WHAT??!! You actually reported to the police??!!
What were you thinking Dude
??!!
SEAJ
From Sunday Morning Post, December 20, 2009, International.
and "aged between 26 and 30" What so old as well bad taste
It may not affect our favorite hobby-- at least for those of us earning in Chinese RMB. I suspect that the price of mongering will go up quite a bit-- but that will have to do with domestic factors blossoming (i.e., severe sex imbalance). Taiwan has a shitty pay for play scene. If China's income ever rises to that level, the same thing could happen here. But that may be a long time down the road-- if ever.
But the article does make some interesting points. Currency pegs always and everywhere fail over the long run-- with the exception of currency board currency pegs (like Hong Kong, Bermuda, etc). Currency board pegs won't ever move, but the price of domestic assets must move in such a way as to maintain the price of the currencies in question.
But could it last forever? China tried (and is trying) to do a Japan, Inc-- but with 10x the population and some really rough structural problems. Wouldn't those inconsistencies/ imbalances show up *somewhere*? And yes, the article is right. It doesn't seem that way, but the US has taken away most of the benefits of the relationship. Chinese people selling goods to buy dollars that are too expensive to buy T bills that will probably be monetized to worthlessness as demographic disaster hits. And if they didn't buy Tbills, they bought stock and real estate instruments that turned into trash. I was reading MSN Money, and it seems that if you were anyone who invested in the US stock market as of this point (from the 1990s), you would have been better off leaving your money at home.
I don't know what msn money says, but the S&P is at about 1100 today and its all time high was about 1500. My results I suppose vary from theirs since I got in in 92 (index at 441).
Chocha Monger
12-22-09, 07:43
I don't know what msn money says, but the S&P is at about 1100 today and its all time high was about 1500. My results I suppose vary from theirs since I got in in 92 (index at 441).
Dash,
You're responding to the ramblings of a mentally ill patient who hasn't taken his meds. You can't argue with a lunatic.
SE Asia Joe
12-22-09, 13:44
Dash,
You're responding to the ramblings of a mentally ill patient who hasn't taken his meds. You can't argue with a lunatic.
You come on these boards and instead of trying to contribute or debate points rationally, invariably instead come out with these vile flames about/to another member.
What is wrong with you??
IMHO
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
12-24-09, 19:48
SEAJ, sorry, but this time you are jumping on the wrong guy. As the oldtimers ..............
Ooooops! My bad!
Sorry Chocha!! - but let's face it, you ain't really been exactly reticent in your unkind words on other occasions - have you?
Anyway - I'll leave it to you guys to sniff each other's balls.
None of my business
SEAJ
See what I mean? Mention the old ghosts, and they are back in force. Now we are getting lectured on antipsychotic drugs.
Where's the pussy at?
SE Asia Joe
12-26-09, 07:26
Zhuren..... How in the world did you ever get in between these two??
Incredible!!
I mean.... on the one side you've got someone who freely admits - that except for the wonders of modern day medication - that he's borderline schizoid and on the other - a renowned and bothersome couch pundit, pestering just about every ISG thread all OVER the world!
People under medication have a nasty habit of going off and taking themselves off their sole link to the real world - and I'd be worried that even as big as China is - that it ain't gonna be big enough to for sure keep him away from you.
And as for our couch pundit - hell, you never know when the guy's gonna be able to save and scrimp enough from his disability pension/cut a deal on the rental of his palatial basement digs that he may also show up on your doorsteps! I mean the guy actually basks and glows in pride at being "inducted" into that other whack job, Meat Loaf's "Mongering Hall of fame!" 963586
And these two "Mongering Hall of Fame(!)" characters - they so proudly announce their plans to have a few Nicaraguan gals "pull Caballo" or whatever they call it, as if its such a great macho thing to accomplish ..... whilst not even appreciating the the fact that ALL they're talking about is actually how to become pimps for these two-bit South American "Ladies!!" ROFLMAO!!
Not that I'm saying that you need to worry about them actually seeking you out - but who the hell knows??!! I mean, I'm hearing about more and more wacko things happening in this already crazy world of ours and I'd say that it's probably NOT a good idea to keep on baiting the village idiots.
I'm SURE you and I would never .... EVER ... associate with characters such as these in real life - and I'm suggesting that it's really beneath our dignity to even acknowledge their presence here. Let's just ignore them and leave well alone enough I'm saying.
IMHO, only my POV... but.... D'accord??
SEAJ
I found this elsewhere & am surprised how much of it holds true in present times.
The link takes you to a presentation in PowerPoint format of the "Pocket Guide to China" issued to American soldiers serving in China during WWII. A pretty interesting read.
http://www.archive.org/stream/PocketGuideToChina#page/n0/mode/2up
Everything remains the same.
No ISG and no Facebook and no what ever for a while more
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/ts_nm/us_china_internet
"176 karaoke places in Chongqing have installed the karaoke content management system, once someone selects to sing vulgar songs or banned songs, culture law enforcement central monitoring system will automatically flash red lights to alarm the police. Yesterday, reporter learned that Zhengzhou already started to use this system and next year will be implemented in the entire province."
Get the whole story here. (http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/26/karaoke-monitoring-system-that-calls-the-police-automatically-when-vulgar-song-is-played/)
Everything remains the same.
No ISG and no Facebook and no what ever for a while more.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100101/ts_nm/us_china_internetNot true! you can subscribe to a proxy network and get past those damn firewalls.
Zhuren,
What's considered a "vulgar" song? I'm ok with any system they install, so long as there's no live video recording of the KTV room and they don't take away the girls I'll be ok with anything. I'm not much of a singer anyhow.
AsnDragon
"176 karaoke places in Chongqing have installed the karaoke content management system, once someone selects to sing vulgar songs or banned songs, culture law enforcement central monitoring system will automatically flash red lights to alarm the police. Yesterday, reporter learned that Zhengzhou already started to use this system and next year will be implemented in the entire province."
Get the whole story here. (http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/26/karaoke-monitoring-system-that-calls-the-police-automatically-when-vulgar-song-is-played/)
Clandestine782
01-06-10, 00:50
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/30/content_12729720.htm
CHENGDU, Dec. 30 (Xinhua) -- Chinese police have arrested nine people suspected of trafficking mentally disabled people from Leibo County in southwest China' Sichuan Province to other areas and then murdering them in coal mines to blackmail the mine owners, police said Wednesday.
The nine have been arrested in Leibo County in connection with the murders in nine provinces including Hebei, Fujian, Liaoning and Sichuan, said Ye Jianhua, head of the Leibo Countys Public Security Bureau.
This was the first time the police revealed the cases.
One of the suspects surnamed Feng allegedly colluded with another two to batter Zhang, a mentally disabled person, to death with a stone in an iron mine in eastern Fujian Province on April 28.
By making the murder look like an accident, Feng asked for compensation from mine owners saying he was the victim's "relative", police said.
Feng was arrested on May 13.
Leibo police did not provide details of other cases as they were out of their jurisdiction.
"Police in the nine provinces were investigating the cases," Ye said. Leibo police would cooperate with the police in the other provinces to find out more about the crimes, he said.
In a separate case, a mentally disabled miner called Huang Suoge died in a coal mine on November 23, two days after he began working in the Chengui Mining Group in Daye City, central China's Hubei Province.
The company decided to pay 200,000 yuan (29,000 U.S. dollars) to three men who came to Daye and claimed to be Huang's relatives. But when the company was checking their identities, the three men fled without the compensation or the cremains.
"More surprisingly, we got the news from Leibo County that the real Huang Suoge committed suicide three years ago," said Li Yunbao, board chairman of the company.
The Daye city police were checking the identities of the dead and trying to arrest the suspects.
Greetings everyone,
I'm so fucking tired of receiving non-stop complaints from everybody who posts in this thread regarding everybody else who posts in this thread that I am now accepting nominations for who should be relegated to their own thread.
The primary consideration is who has the lowest information-per-report ratio. In other words, who is doing the most posting while providing the least amount of actionable information.
Nominations may be made by both members and non-members via the "Contact Us" link which may be found at the bottom of every page of this forum.
Nominations made in this thread will be deleted without comment.
Okay guys, here's your chance to tell me who is really causing the problems.
Thanks,
Jackson
Greetings everyone,
I'm so fucking tired of receiving non-stop complaints from everybody who posts in this thread regarding everybody else who posts in this thread that I am now accepting nominations for who should be relegated to their own thread.
The primary consideration is who has the lowest information-per-report ratio. In other words, who is doing the most posting while providing the least amount of actionable information.
Nominations may be made by both members and non-members via the "Contact Us" link which may be found at the bottom of every page of this forum.
Nominations made in this thread will be deleted without comment.
Okay guys, here's your chance to tell me who is really causing the problems.
Thanks,
Jackson
I wonder who complains about what and whom."I wish to complain. So-and-so is wasting my time with comments I don't like while I waste time on a web site devoted to wasting time with loose women".
Clandestine782
02-01-10, 12:01
Just so that you know: Bank of China (and the other 4 banks) are national chains, but that has no meaning. If you open your account in one province, then things related to that account can't be adjudicated in another province.
How do I know this? I lost my debit card while traveling. I thought that it would be simple enough to report it lost/ stolen and then I could get a replacement sent.
When I went to the bank, the answer was: "You must to back to the very province in which you opened your account."
So, I called that province, and they said that I must come there in person (keep in mind that this is the distance from Shanghai to Chengdu). With some prodding, they told me that I could prepare a "letter of entrustment" [委托书] and give it to another person-- but only on the condition that I had that person's ID number and took the whole document to the notary public and got it notarized (200RMB plus the time wasted).
I send the document to Sichuan, and lo! Then they wanted my original passport. (I thought that the point of sending another person with an ID Card was so that I myself didn't have to go.) So, I sent them another stamped copy of my passport (which they had agreed to accept).
But, wait! That's not enough! They now need the letter of entrustment to be re-written. It seems that the first letter said that the person could withdraw the money, but they needed a letter that said that that person could withdraw money because the card was stolen. Ok, so the notary public was nice enough to give me the edited letter at no cost.
And just when you thought there would be a resolution, I sent the letter. But the bank told me that even when/ if they accept the letter, there would still be a 7 day holding period on the money and then they would release it to me. It wouldn't have mattered if I had gone all the way back to Sichuan, since even if I went there in person with an ID, they would still want me to wait those 7 days.
When I went to the bank, they found my account in a flash. But there were still these procedures that they had to go through, and the bank apparently does not believe government IDs (are they that easy to fake?), and they will only accept their own documents.
I have sent the SECOND letter of entrustment and the THIRD total package to these idiots. (This has been going on for 2 weeks now.) This should be completed within another 8 days. Can you imagine waiting a month to access your own money just because of a simple lost debit card? (And it's not like anyone can use the debit card, because they don't know the pin.) But apparently it would be too simple to just reissue the card.
There is also the possibility of transferring an account from one Bank of China Branch to another, but that takes every bit of two weeks--IF the service is even offered at that bank. It's just another cute thing! Certain services are not offered between 11:30-13:30 (or 12:00 and 14:00) or something like that. If you are thinking about getting something done during your lunch break, then forget it.
Clandestine782
02-01-10, 12:15
I've been taking trains in China for a long time and have decided to give a few anecdotes of the raw stupidity of the National Rail Lines.
1. Tickets can only be bought from the origin station. That is to say that if you want to go from Fuzhou to Guangzhou, you can't buy your ticket in Xiamen.
2. If you go on a journey that requires you to transfer, then there is no way to know if you will be able to find a ticket in a timely fashion for the second leg of the journey.
3. The people at the train station find as many ways to not be helpful as possible. So, I took a train to East China (from Central China), and because of traffic, I missed the train. There was another train going one hour later, and it was about 75% empty (in the sleeper cars), but the train people would not hear of letting me just go on the next train (the same way if you were to take flight 2/10 to destination X and missed it, the airline people would just let you take flight 3/10 or 4/10, etc....). They were insistent that I buy another ticket (just for spite).
4. If you want to buy an upgrade ticket on a train, since there is no well developed computer system to sell tickets, you are only going on what the train staff can remember. The staff on the train are no more helpful than the ones in the station. In fact, I remember that one of the staff was selling tickets, and when it came my turn she closed the desk and said that there were no more left. Um, OK. So, later on that night, I forced open the door to the sleeper car and found several unoccupied beds. I got on one of them and slept for 8 hours (the time that it took to get to my destination) and no one noticed that I was there.
5. If you want to use a Western toilet, it is always and everywhere on the first sleeper car directly off of the kitchen. It's usually the cleanest toilet in the whole train, because Chinese people (being the sanitary individuals that they are) refuse to use Western toilets-- and so it is often never used.
6. If you want to have something consigned from one place to another, it is actually better to do it the day *before* you get on the train. The reason is that sometimes you have to pay to have a box built around the object that you want consigned. The negotiations for such a thing can go on for a *long* time. Also know that if you pick up something that has been consigned, it is often NOT available at the exact station to which you thought you had sent it. It might actually be several miles down the road.
7. Consignment insurance's value is 100:1. So, if you want to insure a piano for 4,000 RMB, then the insurance is 40RMB.
Clandestine782
02-01-10, 12:28
Some things to know:
1. DO NOT buy your cell phone SIM card from any place other than the service hall. The reason is that in the event that your cell phone is stolen and you know the number of your phone, your actual name is not on the account. There is someone else with some made up name on the account (the names are usually written to sound like a joke or otherwise so common that no one would try to look them up). And that means that if you wanted to get a replacement card with the same number or get the numbers to which you had sent texts or received calls, the answer is NO.
2. You cannot add cash at the service desk if you have an out of province phone. You will have to buy a card of some minimum amount (50-100RMB), and strangely enough a lot of these companies don't even have cell phone recharge cards. The last card that I bought required (1) a trip through 3 different China Unicom stores (2) 2 people to sell me the card and (3) a receipt to be filled out in triplicate. And this was only one fucking phone card. 50RMB.
3. The roaming charges are quite high for calls. The price is the same for text messages.
4. (You knew this was coming.) If you open your account in one place, you can't do anything related to that account in another place. A phone bought in Hunan can't have account issues addressed in Hubei-- even though they are just adjacent one to the other. If you know that you are going to move to another province, it is better to just run out all the money before you leave that province and then throw the card away.
Clandestine782
02-01-10, 12:47
1. if you have cash that needs to be sent to another country, it is safe to do it with ems-- but only under some very specific circumstances.
it seems that the women at the post office like to look in envelopes and find a reason to not be able to send out your package. so, the experience that i have had is that they looked inside an envelope that i placed inside the ems envelope and saw that there was cash. they then smirked at me and told me that cash could not be sent in the ems packages. ok, fine. so, i took the same blue ems envelope and sealed it up and walked to the post office 2 blocks down the road and sent it with no further discussion. take away message: make sure that you seal your ems envelope before taking it into the post office. they will not bother it that way.
usually, it would be cheaper to wire the money from bank of china (or one of the other banks), but it turned out to be so much trouble (one visit took 2 hours and the money still was not wired after it was all said and done) that i just figured that life was too short and sent it in the mail. in the course of a year, i sent something like us$1875 back to the us via ems and have not lost one dollar.
2. if you want a package mailed into china, i have found that they way to not have it opened and confirep001ed is to address the envelope in chinese. so, if you order lots of books (which i do), the book companies don't have the capability of writing in chinese. i use a remailing service. what i have done is write out the labels in chinese and have the remailer affix them to the priority mail box and then send them on. i've gotten 4 shipments in the last 6 months or so. one of them had a book about the great famine. another had 3 porns. not a single one of the shipments was opened. coworkers, on the other hand, have not been so smart and have put their books in boxes that had to have the address translated. and that is where they made their mistake. because the boxes had to stop and be translated, that is where someone at the post office overdid their job and decided to open the box and confirep001e these books. they also described having sent christmas gifts which arrived opened and with the wrapping paper torn off.
the control experiment that i have done was to buy a herbie hancock book (which is not controversial, though i believe that jazz was outlawed here at some point). because of the limited capability of the book consolidator to write in chinese, they wrote the address in english--and it needed to be translated. it took every bit of 6 months before it arrived at the address. compare this to the 9-11 days that it takes for packages of up to 20 pounds to arrive when they are sent priority mail with the address label written in chinese.
another poster on here (ace of spades) runs a book business, and he was afraid to send his books by the post because he had had enough experience with their getting lost in the mail to not want to do it again. and for all that, he sent a courier to pick up a music book from me and it still got lost.
3. a stupid-ass hobitch at the post office tried to tell me that i could not mail an international package from her post office and that i needed to take an hour trip to the city center to mail it. that didn't seem right, and so i went to the place from where i had collected my books (15 minutes away by bus) and mailed the package out without another word spoken.
4. another hobitch tried to overcharge me for a package. (she was being smug and insisting that she did not understand my chinese. she only claimed to understand after i told her that she was 笨得无求药-- incorrigibly stupid in her language.) something told me that her prices were not right. so, i walked another 2 blocks to the next post office and they gave me the same service for half the price. moral of the story: know what the prices are before you go to the post office. i suspect that after i left, she would cancel out/ correct the order and then put the difference in her pocket.
Clandestine782
02-01-10, 12:51
I only figured some of these things out after "much weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Not sure how appropriate it is to use a phrase from the Bible on a discussion board like this.) In any case, you can use the chips that I have paid for with experience to go shopping.
Some things to know:
1. DO NOT buy your cell phone SIM card from any place other than the service hall. The reason is that in the event that your cell phone is stolen and you know the number of your phone, your actual name is not on the account. There is someone else with some made up name on the account (the names are usually written to sound like a joke or otherwise so common that no one would try to look them up). And that means that if you wanted to get a replacement card with the same number or get the numbers to which you had sent texts or received calls, the answer is NO.
I have had the same pay-as-you-go mobile number for over 10 years, and have lost it several times. It was origionally purchased from a small cell phone shop near the Lido (now gone). I have found that if you have purchased your SIM card from a 3rd party you can take it, along with your ID, into the local China Mobile office and get it registered in your name. This will allow you to replace the SIM card if lost with just your passport. In addition, when you by a SIM there is a plastic card that comes with it (not the card that you pop the SIM out of). This card has the mobile number on it. You can take this card into the China Mobile office, even if you have not registered, and they will give you a replacement SIM for just a few dollars.
As reported, if you have not registered your number, or do not have the little plastic card, you are screwed. I have also found that there is no way to convert this pay-as-you-go number to a monthly pay account. If you want to switch payment style you must get a new number.
Sammy
Some things to know:
1. DO NOT buy your cell phone SIM card from any place other than the service hall. The reason is that in the event that your cell phone is stolen and you know the number of your phone, your actual name is not on the account. .
From the Times this weekend.
"China has occasionally attempted sexual entrapment to target senior British political figures. Two years ago an aide to Gordon Brown had his BlackBerry phone stolen after being picked up by a Chinese woman who had approached him in a Shanghai hotel disco."
He should have read ISG and he would know to keep his phone in the safe. Maybe find her in the photo section. Wonder how he explained that one to the wife targeted by a Chinese trained spy, A Blackberry I hope it was LT FS BBBJ ha ha.
Watch out I was done by the Russians myself.
Chop Sticks
02-02-10, 07:22
1. I think if you really need to send porn books to china, you should consider to live in another country. I mean do you have masturbation addiction or what ?
Just obey the law and dont fuck around here, really. You just make it more difficult for all of us expats here.
2. There are different ways here to send post. And its even diffrent in north and south china. EMS, SEA, AIR, SAL, registered, unregistered ... everything has a different price.
Normally no post office clerk will want to cheat you. They have a stable job, no need to risk that for a little money. I had sent out thousands of things (yes) and nobody of them wanted to cheat me.
Sometimes trainees make mistakes, it happens in other countries as well.
And yes, some post office can not send out international post.
regards
Clandestine782
02-02-10, 08:48
1. I think if you really need to send porn books to china, you should consider to live in another country. I mean do you have masturbation addiction or what ? Get a grip. There are sexual services EVERYWHERE in China. And they are an open secret. The point was that I have never had packages opened *as long as I addressed them in Chinese* and even things that should have been censored were not. But innocuous things (hair curlers/ lotion) that should have arrived (in the experience of other expats) did not because they had to stop and be translated.
Just obey the law and dont fuck around here, really. You just make it more difficult for all of us expats here.Ok, but only if you stop any mongering activities (which are technically illegal always and everywhere). So, go on.........you first.
2. There are different ways here to send post. And its even diffrent in north and south china. EMS, SEA, AIR, SAL, registered, unregistered ... everything has a different price.Yes, I knew that. But this woman was just being a b.itch (and you know this). Usually, if someone can't understand my accent, then I know how to write things down. And I actually learned how to *read* Chinese before I learned how to speak it (because you can believe so little of what you hear that it's best to be able to read bus signs and documents for yourself). So, despite the fact that I had been to that Post Office a few weeks before and those same phrases had worked before, and despite the fact that I wrote down what I was trying to say, and despite the fact that I went to the Post Office two blocks down the road on the same day (and was understood with no difficulty), that clerk *insisted* that she could neither understand what I was saying nor read what I wrote. (But it is strange that when I said to her in Chinese 你是笨得无可求药 she was able to understand that right away AND have the sense to be offended--even though she could not understand common words that are useful in the post just 5 seconds ago..)
Normally no post office clerk will want to cheat you. They have a stable job, no need to risk that for a little money. Well, I guess that I just met that wrong one. That one out of a million times you go somewhere and the person behind the desk doesn't let you get a single word out before they say 听不懂 and smirk at you. Yep, I bet I'm the only one that has *ever* had that experience (*sarcastic smirk*).
I had sent out thousands of things (yes) and nobody of them wanted to cheat me.
Sometimes trainees make mistakes, it happens in other countries as well.
And yes, some post office can not send out international post.
regardsThis woman was not a trainee. She did not have the trainee badge [习买], and she was definitely old enough to know better.
Clandestine782
02-02-10, 08:59
So, I got a call from the Bank of China about the account in Sichuan to which I lost the card.
Over the course of 20 or so phone calls, it came out that:
1. I would need a letter of entrusment [委托书].
2. Then they would need my original passport.
3. Then that they would accept a notarized copy of the passport.
4. Then that they would need the letter of entrustment [委托书] rewritten and resent.
So, I am thinking that it would all be Ok, but this morning I got a call directly at lunchtime saying
5. They needed a ticket showing my outward passage out of China.
6. That after they had received and accepted the paperwork, they could release the money to me in 7 days.
Because I was having some trouble with the technical terms (I have never had this situation before), I called the US consulate and asked them to translate for me, and they told me (before making any calls) that that banks are generally very uncooperative with them under any circumstances (and that they could try, but they pretty much knew the answer). And the woman on the other end of the phone call said that they had tried to have money released by expats that had died here and could not do it because the bank wanted only to talk to the account holder (no matter if he was living or dead). So, they phoned and confirmed for me that the bank also needed a copy of the plane ticket. On the way back from taking care of this business, I went to the China Construction Bank and asked them what would happen, Speaking in the Realm of the What If if I lost the card and they confirmed that:
7. It is the same in every bank in China that if you lose your card in place Y but opened the account in place X, you could ONLY solve the problem in place X;
8. That this is a regulation that is put down by the People's Bank of China;
9. That I could go to any other bank anywhere (and in practice it is only the big 4 that are in more than any two given provinces) in China and it would be the SAME EXACT THING.
The cost of each 委托书 was 200RMB, as well as 23RMB for EACH separate document that had to be sent by registered post.
I am not defending this practice of Bank of China going back to the branch but it seems quiet common even in the states too.
So, I got a call from the Bank of China about the account in Sichuan to which I lost the card.
Over the course of 20 or so phone calls, it came out that:
1. I would need a letter of entrusment [委托书].
2. Then they would need my original passport.
3. Then that they would accept a notarized copy of the passport.
4. Then that they would need the letter of entrustment [委托书] rewritten and resent.
So, I am thinking that it would all be Ok, but this morning I got a call directly at lunchtime saying
5. They needed a ticket showing my outward passage out of China.
6. That after they had received and accepted the paperwork, they could release the money to me in 7 days.
Because I was having some trouble with the technical terms (I have never had this situation before), I called the US consulate and asked them to translate for me, and they told me (before making any calls) that that banks are generally very uncooperative with them under any circumstances (and that they could try, but they pretty much knew the answer). And the woman on the other end of the phone call said that they had tried to have money released by expats that had died here and could not do it because the bank wanted only to talk to the account holder (no matter if he was living or dead). So, they phoned and confirmed for me that the bank also needed a copy of the plane ticket. On the way back from taking care of this business, I went to the China Construction Bank and asked them what would happen, Speaking in the Realm of the What If if I lost the card and they confirmed that:
7. It is the same in every bank in China that if you lose your card in place Y but opened the account in place X, you could ONLY solve the problem in place X;
8. That this is a regulation that is put down by the People's Bank of China;
9. That I could go to any other bank anywhere (and in practice it is only the big 4 that are in more than any two given provinces) in China and it would be the SAME EXACT THING.
The cost of each 委托书 was 200RMB, as well as 23RMB for EACH separate document that had to be sent by registered post.
Clandestine782
02-02-10, 20:48
I am not defending this practice of Bank of China going back to the branch but it seems quiet common even in the states too.
You didn't read the post properly. What I said was that it is not enough to just go back to the Bank, they want you to go back to the very bank at which you opened the card--independent of the location of either branch and independent of whether this was a national bank (think Wells Fargo or B of A). So if you opened an account in Baltimore and were on vacation in LA and lost the card, that would be the equivalent of being forced to go all the way back to Baltimore to take care of any business-- and the bank branch in one place not having access to any of the information in the other branch.
Before the bank turned to central system in the states this was quiet common. PODs and trustee accounts are still managed in the same way.
B of A central system was flawed on one mortage loan pay-off. Poor service.
Same kind of problems you are indicating here. This was just two years ago.
Sorry to say I am moving off this banking subject it is too F...depressing to see so many stupid things the banks do. No customer service. Misinformed and poor staff training.
Just a pure rip-off in most cases and service charges ?
Peace
Bob Builder
02-08-10, 10:53
"176 karaoke places in Chongqing have installed the karaoke content management system, once someone selects to sing vulgar songs or banned songs, culture law enforcement central monitoring system will automatically flash red lights to alarm the police. Yesterday, reporter learned that Zhengzhou already started to use this system and next year will be implemented in the entire province."
Get the whole story here. (http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/26/karaoke-monitoring-system-that-calls-the-police-automatically-when-vulgar-song-is-played/)
Sounds like a way to collect some money to me because if they were so cocerned about public decency they would delete the offending songs from the KTV systems.
Clandestine782
02-08-10, 12:59
I went to wire some money from CITIC to my US debit card (because cards with either the Visa or Mastercard logo are very hard to get here-- either as debit cards or credit cards). If you need to buy some shoes (and know that they are over size 48 and not counterfeit), the only way is to have them shipped in. The experiment of seeing how to add money to a debit card by using the Visa card provided account/ routing number took place over about 3 weeks.
At CITIC:
1. We filled out the paper no less than 7 times over a visit that lasted about 1 hour and 45 minutes;
2. After I walked out of the bank, they told me that they needed something that they didn't capture the first 7 times we filled out the report together. (I believe it was the address of the bank to which I was remitting.)
3. Later on the same night they called me from the bank again saying that they still weren't sure they would be able to process it because the amount was too small. (I didn't know if the money would arrive and how long it would take, so I only wired $20. I would have wired $1, but didn't know if that would be eaten up by transaction fees on the other end.)
4. Another call the next day complained that I had only given them the routing number of the bank and not its actual name. (Even though the purpose of the routing/ ABA number is precisely so that you don't have to give the name of the bank.) But, ok. I went and looked up the name that the bank was using for prepaid debit cards.
The only reason that I went there was because their service charge was 100RMB (compared to BOCs 200RMB). I guess you get what you pay for. Or do you?
5. Several days later, they told me that the transaction was not successful and that I would have to come back and collect my money and fee.
6. When I got there (1 hour later), they told me that *that particular* $20 that I had given to them was not available and I would have to wait until it came back-- but that they didn't know when it would be back. Apparently money is not fungible in banks in China.
7. A few days later they called me and told me that that particular $20 was available and that I could come to get it.
At the Bank of China:
1. Their wiring fee was 200RMB. I took the same $20 and tried the same thing again.
2. They told me that they didn't know if the money would be able to be sent, even though they would be happy to take my service charge and not refund it to me.
3. Something like 1 week later, they called and told me that the transaction had not been successful and that I would have to come and get my $20 back, but not the service fee.
4. I went there, and the story was the same again. They had $20 in the bank, but not my particular $20 and I would have to wait until such time as it came back. (Keep in mind that this was in the central bank of Chengdu.) I was going to leave to go to another province that afternoon, so I told them to just deposit it in my account when they got it back. And I actually had to wait something like an hour when I got there, because those types of transactions were not handled between noon and 2pm.
5. About 12 phone calls and 2 weeks later, the money actually WAS deposited, minus the service charge ($4.40) to deposit it in my account. So, $4.40 plus 200RMB (works out to about 238RMB) to find out that the transaction was not possible. Three weeks total.
At no point was I ever able to talk to a manager to ask for the process to be expedited. And the number from which I was called did not have anyone to answer the phone any single time that I called back. I went into the Bank of China (Changzhou) and asked if there was a company directory (just vaguely detailing that there was a problem). Nope. None.
And even better still, the attendant who helped me kept trying to convince me that the woman to whom I spoke in Chengdu might not have even been an employee of the bank (after all, a person who was behind the glass and wearing a bank of China uniform with an employee number might really have been a thief!) But the reason that the attendant kept doing this was because she didn't know how to find the company directory and she was trying to find a way to avoid saying "I don't know" and deflect my questions. So, this conversation went on for about 15 minutes and I finally said: "Fuck it" and walked out.
Again: Stunning evidence of how the banks were not able to coordinate with each other. And how, when pressed for an answer, no one was willing to (1) find one (2) admit that they didn't know.
Crazy Jim Wood
02-09-10, 01:50
Dude, mail me the 20, I will wire for you.
I will not need any information except your PIN number, CC number, expiration date, and the three-digit number from the panel on the back.
I went to wire some money from CITIC to my US debit card (because cards with either the Visa or Mastercard logo are very hard to get here-- either as debit cards or credit cards). If you need to buy some shoes (and know that they are over size 48 and not counterfeit), the only way is to have them shipped in. The experiment of seeing how to add money to a debit card by using the Visa card provided account/ routing number took place over about 3 weeks.
At CITIC:
1. We filled out the paper no less than 7 times over a visit that lasted about 1 hour and 45 minutes;
2. After I walked out of the bank, they told me that they needed something that they didn't capture the first 7 times we filled out the report together. (I believe it was the address of the bank to which I was remitting.)
3. Later on the same night they called me from the bank again saying that they still weren't sure they would be able to process it because the amount was too small. (I didn't know if the money would arrive and how long it would take, so I only wired $20. I would have wired $1, but didn't know if that would be eaten up by transaction fees on the other end.)
4. Another call the next day complained that I had only given them the routing number of the bank and not its actual name. (Even though the purpose of the routing/ ABA number is precisely so that you don't have to give the name of the bank.) But, ok. I went and looked up the name that the bank was using for prepaid debit cards.
The only reason that I went there was because their service charge was 100RMB (compared to BOCs 200RMB). I guess you get what you pay for. Or do you?
5. Several days later, they told me that the transaction was not successful and that I would have to come back and collect my money and fee.
6. When I got there (1 hour later), they told me that *that particular* $20 that I had given to them was not available and I would have to wait until it came back-- but that they didn't know when it would be back. Apparently money is not fungible in banks in China.
7. A few days later they called me and told me that that particular $20 was available and that I could come to get it.
At the Bank of China:
1. Their wiring fee was 200RMB. I took the same $20 and tried the same thing again.
2. They told me that they didn't know if the money would be able to be sent, even though they would be happy to take my service charge and not refund it to me.
3. Something like 1 week later, they called and told me that the transaction had not been successful and that I would have to come and get my $20 back, but not the service fee.
4. I went there, and the story was the same again. They had $20 in the bank, but not my particular $20 and I would have to wait until such time as it came back. (Keep in mind that this was in the central bank of Chengdu.) I was going to leave to go to another province that afternoon, so I told them to just deposit it in my account when they got it back. And I actually had to wait something like an hour when I got there, because those types of transactions were not handled between noon and 2pm.
5. About 12 phone calls and 2 weeks later, the money actually WAS deposited, minus the service charge ($4.40) to deposit it in my account. So, $4.40 plus 200RMB (works out to about 238RMB) to find out that the transaction was not possible. Three weeks total.
At no point was I ever able to talk to a manager to ask for the process to be expedited. And the number from which I was called did not have anyone to answer the phone any single time that I called back. I went into the Bank of China (Changzhou) and asked if there was a company directory (just vaguely detailing that there was a problem). Nope. None.
And even better still, the attendant who helped me kept trying to convince me that the woman to whom I spoke in Chengdu might not have even been an employee of the bank (after all, a person who was behind the glass and wearing a bank of China uniform with an employee number might really have been a thief!) But the reason that the attendant kept doing this was because she didn't know how to find the company directory and she was trying to find a way to avoid saying "I don't know" and deflect my questions. So, this conversation went on for about 15 minutes and I finally said: "Fuck it" and walked out.
Again: Stunning evidence of how the banks were not able to coordinate with each other. And how, when pressed for an answer, no one was willing to (1) find one (2) admit that they didn't know.
SE Asia Joe
02-11-10, 17:53
Hey zhuren - I was just browsing some of the ISG threads and came across one titled "Using Proxy Servers" as a subset of Site Administration > Internet Security:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2188
I recall you posting on here your # 1424 post of 8/20/09, titled "Use and abuse of proxies and VPNs" :
919091
Which would VERY relevant on the above "Using Proxy Servers" thread.
Why don't you C+P it to that thread - and if you think too much trouble, please tell me and I will do it for you with full acreditation to you.
SEAJ
Why don't you C+P it to that thread - and if you think too much trouble, please tell me and I will do it for you with full acreditation to you.
SEAJ
Sure, go ahead!
DO NOT buy your cell phone SIM card from any place other than the service hall.
Strange advice, If you buy your Sim card on any street corner, you remain anonymous, nobody can monitor you!
If it is stolen, and you really want the number back, including the pre paid credit, you can prove ownership of the number at the service hall. They will ask for id, and ask for a list of recently dialled numbers. Of course, the number is then re-registered in your name.
All phones are registered to someone. Mine was registered to the young chap who sold phone cards outside Tequila (MP) in Weifang Lu. I needed a replacement card last week, and went through this procedure in DongFang Lu service hall of China Mobile.
In my case this service was free of charge!
fz
Strange advice, If you buy your Sim card on any street corner, you remain anonymous, nobody can monitor you!
If it is stolen, and you really want the number back, including the pre paid credit, you can prove ownership of the number at the service hall. They will ask for id, and ask for a list of recently dialled numbers. Of course, the number is then re-registered in your name.
All phones are registered to someone. Mine was registered to the young chap who sold phone cards outside Tequila (MP) in Weifang Lu. I needed a replacement card last week, and went through this procedure in DongFang Lu service hall of China Mobile.
In my case this service was free of charge!
fz
Originally Posted by Clandestine782
1. DO NOT buy your cell phone SIM card from any place other than the service hall.
See I never said that but I forgive you. Although its not a bad idea though as I think you may get less spam. Also China Unicom seems to have offices all over the place that cannot help you unless the account is in there area. Recommend China telecom for better coverage anyway. Make sure you keep your password and phone back up in case you need it to be on the safe side. I saw someones phone snatched from his hand just a few days ago gone in a flash. A girl friend off mine also had no end of problems getting her number back they must have liked you.
FernandoAlonso
02-23-10, 15:26
Just saw in a Beijing Watson there new Housebrand offering superthin condoms at something like 10 RMB per piece. If anywhere near the Okatomo 003 a great offer.
Anyone has experiences?
FA
AsianLover
03-04-10, 14:58
I know that in China, Viagra, Cialis, etc are available without prescriptions from pharmacies. However, I wanted to know if antibiotics are also available w/o prescriptions from most pharmacies in China.
If so, has anyone been able to buy them and are they expensive?
AL
I know that in China, Viagra, Cialis, etc are available without prescriptions from pharmacies. However, I wanted to know if antibiotics are also available w/o prescriptions from most pharmacies in China.
If so, has anyone been able to buy them and are they expensive?
ALI was able to buy Amoxicillin freely without any prescription. The price range depends on the brand. I forgot the prices, but didn't recall it to be super expensive.
I know that in China, Viagra, Cialis, etc are available without prescriptions from pharmacies. However, I wanted to know if antibiotics are also available w/o prescriptions from most pharmacies in China.
If so, has anyone been able to buy them and are they expensive?
AL
Antibiotics are usually not OTC. But if you go into a pharmacy and move a piece of paper across the counter that says "ZITHROMAX (azithromycin) 500mg" you usually get what you need. Don't mess around with the stuff, it's best taken as a bomb: 2g (i.e. 4x 500mg) at once.
DO NOT take antibiotics unless you really need them. DO NOT take them as preventative measure. You'll breed resistant super bugs.
Anyone had any helpful experience from the State Dept in China?
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1089.html
Antibiotics are usually not OTC. But if you go into a pharmacy and move a piece of paper across the counter that says "ZITHROMAX (azithromycin) 500mg" you usually get what you need. Don't mess around with the stuff, it's best taken as a bomb: 2g (i.e. 4x 500mg) at once.
DO NOT take antibiotics unless you really need them. DO NOT take them as preventative measure. You'll breed resistant super bugs.
Actually Zithro should be 500mg 1st day then 250mg for four days or alternate is 500mg for three days.
first day is a 'bomb' if you take them all on the first day you will not feel well, kill a good number of your intestinal good bugs and probably get the shits.
yes you can get antibiotics at nearly any pharmacy without a problem, and most of the packaging says in english the name. some pharmacies have 'genuine' pfizer zithro and the chinese equivalent. go to a good large pharmacy for more likelyhood of genuine. (they may think it is but supplier can always trick them). I have taken and it worked well.
DO NOT take antibiotics unless you really need them. DO NOT take them as preventative measure. You'll breed resistant super bugs.
And do not take as preventative measure. if you feel off then okay go ahead but do not take just in case because yes you might breed superbugs and end up sicker than if you took nothing.
Dr. Freepeaks: Your described courses are commonly prescribed. However, as my esteemed colleague will confirm, in cases of gonococcal or gonorrheal infections, an extra large 2000mg single dose has been proven as a therapy with high efficacy ...
Your stomach bugs will be toast with the 500mg or 2000mg dosage. Eat plenty of yogurt and weigh the distraction of (possible) diarrhea against more serious factors. We don't know what Asianlover's problems are, or whether his dick has already turned green and fallen off, but I recommend to be tested, especially before coming home to wifey ...
Actually Zithro should be 500mg 1st day then 250mg for four days or alternate is 500mg for three days.
first day is a 'bomb' if you take them all on the first day you will not feel well, kill a good number of your intestinal good bugs and probably get the shits.
yes you can get antibiotics at nearly any pharmacy without a problem, and most of the packaging says in english the name. some pharmacies have 'genuine' pfizer zithro and the chinese equivalent. go to a good large pharmacy for more likelyhood of genuine. (they may think it is but supplier can always trick them). I have taken and it worked well.
I know that in China, Viagra, Cialis, etc are available without prescriptions from pharmacies. However, I wanted to know if antibiotics are also available w/o prescriptions from most pharmacies in China.
If so, has anyone been able to buy them and are they expensive?
AL
I copied Amoxicillin and the Chinese name off the computer and did a bit of reading, I went to a good Chemist. Paid 28 Rmb a pack. It was a hong Kong brand my Chinese friends said I paid to much as it was a brand name?
Instructions were on the back for only fixing VD in English. I had a sinus problem I think it fixed it or it went away. If you have high Blood pressure it will go up so keep an eye on it.
Bob Builder
03-08-10, 08:19
I was able to buy Amoxicillin freely without any prescription. The price range depends on the brand. I forgot the prices, but didn't recall it to be super expensive.
It is around RMB25 - 30.
Agree with Zhuren, don't take drugs as a preventative measure, better to wear a condom. And you would have to take a whole cocktail to cover all STDs.
Zithro is not recommended to be taken frequently. When I was prescribed this for a non-STD infection by a responsible doctor, I was asked when I last prescribed it and was told taking more than once a year was not a good idea.
Clandestine782
03-23-10, 18:30
It is very hard to move money onto Visa cards from China, and therefore difficult to pay for VPN with a Visa/ Mastercard.
www.12vpn.com is a site on which you are able to use a Chinese debit card to make payment, and it works. I have been working with their customer service to get my account up and running, and they are prompt.
I'm still doing some more exhaustive testing to find out more fully where this will work, but it is a good start. And the ONLY site that I have heretofore that I have been able to find that accepts UnionPay cards.
Cooler Wolf2
04-05-10, 10:58
I guess this won't surprise too many here but a clear sign we need to be discreet about our activities.
This country might be 'opening up' but it sure has some way to go!
Report from ChinaHush dot com
Swingers in China arrested over group sex parties
April 3rd, 2010
Story background: Prosecutors in east China have charged a group of 22 alleged swingers with criminal licentiousness, state media said Wednesday, stoking calls for greater sexual freedom in the Asian country.
"55 year old Ma Yaochun ( 马尧春 ) is going to be associated with the crime of group licentiousness (聚众淫乱罪) becoming a footnote of the history.
Because of the alleged criminal licentiousness, the former associate professor of an unnamed university in Nanjing is being prosecuted at Qinhuai District Prosecutorial office. The trial will begin on April 7, Ma faces up to five years in prison, if convicted he will become the first person receiving a sentence for the crime of group licentiousness in the past 20 years.
Since last September he was under surveillance, Mas life only consisted of two things, smoking and browsing the web. He sat on the sofa, hunched his back, and stared at his computer screen. His notebook computer placed on a wooden chair, a black cup filled with cigarette butts placed on its left, looked like an incense burner. The room was filled with smoke. During the 5 hour interview, he finished smoking a pack of Lushan.
Looked haggard and anxious, he has already been associated with words like group licentiousness and swinger.
Ma Yaochun said, he is not the one of kind monster, and swinger is also a life style that should not have been guilty.
However, many people do not understand this kind of sex life. Swingers in any case cannot be accepted.
Not forceful, nor organizing
In the Two Conferences, NPC and CPPCC, on March 3, scholar Li Yinhe proposed to abolish the crime of criminal licentiousness. She pointed out that the crime of group licentiousness is seriously out of date. In the past twenty years, this law actually was not implemented; we almost dont have one sentencing case. (Read more about this at China Geeks) However, just one week later, on March 10, Ma Yaochun received the indictment, the charge was group licentiousness.
Indictment said From the summer of 2007 to August 2009, Ma Yaochun organized or participated in group licentiousness activities 18 times, his action constitutes a violation of the PRC Criminal Law, number three hundred and first article, and will be prosecuted with the crime of group licentiousness.
Although many times participated in the swingers parties, Ma Yaochuns for this first time heard of this crime when he was arrested by the police on August 21, 2009. Now, he is understands what he is facing. Criminal Law number three hundred and first article states, gathering a group engage in licentious activities, the organizer and the frequent participators are subject up to five years of imprisonment, criminal detention or under surveillance.
Ma Xiaochun said, he would not plead guilty. He said there was indeed group licentiousness, but he was not seeking stimulation, this is just their way of life. There is not forcing, nor organizing.
Ma, in front of the reporter was calm in regard to the reactions of calling him abnormal on the internet.
I dont care; it does not matter not even a bit. I dont think the word abnormal has a meaning of cursing or insulting. You have your way, and I have my way. I feel my life is indeed abnormal, and not the same as ordinary peoples. But you cant call it a crime just because you dislike it.
Some experts and scholars believe, Ma Xiaochun is not abnormal, nor should he be convicted.
March 23, Li Yinhe published Who will protect Professor Wangs sexual rights (before this Ma Yaochuns alias was Wang Honggao) blog post, said that the rights for citizens in the privacy of their own places engaging sexual activities should be protected by the constitution.
Li Yinhe said It does not hurt anyone. Swinging sexual activities loved only by a few people in the society.
Beijing Forestry University Institute for Sex and Gender Fang Gang showed support to Ma.
March 16, Fang Gang published blog post to call attention to Professor Wang the case of group licentiousness, said personal sexual behavior is part of human rights, a developed society should not intervene peoples personal choice of their sex lives.
Fang Gang said group licentiousness is a word used in exiting criminal law, it has a bad reputation.
Ma Yaochuns Swinging path
To many (Chinese) people, the word swinger appeared over night with Abnormal Ma Yaochun. Actually it is not true. On Mas life, many things already surfaced in the swingers world.
Ma Yaochun was introduced to this lifestyle as early as 2002 when he officially ended his second marriage. His second wife was a nightmare in his mind. Ma told the long and detailed story of meeting people in the swingers circle after that, which I am not going to translate. Lets skip to the incidents of 22 peoples group licentiousness.
Ma Yaochun does not think swinging will destroy a family. He often admires the couple he met on his first swinging experience. He thinks that their relationship is very good.
2006 valentines day they came to Nanjing, the guy asked me if I can find some people. He said he wanted to give his wife a Valentines Day gift. Ma Yaochun thought he wanted him to buy some things, He didnt mean that, he said to find some men, powerful men.
Later Ma did not find anyone. In the end the Valentines Day present was the husband, Ma Yaochun and the wifes old lover. Ma thought this couples emotional intimacy has reached to amazing point.
That year, something significant happened to the swingers circle. In October, one policewoman Su was interviewed by a website about sex. She exposed her swinging experience and later was fired. And Su had another identity; she was the founder of one of the biggest couples dating (swingers) site in China.
This is swingers circles spring thunder, swinging has entered ordinary peoples visions.
This incident created more and more swingers websites, and at the same time Ma was more interested in swinging on QQ.
The end of 2006, Nanjing had many swingers group Ma recalled, these groups rejected him, must have sex photos and videos of the couple in order to join, I could not join. I was kicked out once they viewed the video. Sometimes I lied to them, said I have a wife, she was out of town, they said your wife is not coming, then kicked me out.
Therefore Ma created his own QQ group. Not for long this group attracted 190 netizens. Most members were from other swingers QQ group.
According to the investigation, in the 22 people alleged criminal licentiousness, more than 10 people were members of this group. Their first party was held in Mas home, in the summer of 2007.
According to the indictment, the summer of 2007, Ma Yaochun and his friends engaged group licentious activities total 8 times, 7 of which were in Mas home. Ma Yaochun was the oldest and with the highest educational background of all the suspects.
Ma Yaochun said, there were no strong pleasures in these parties, nor any stimulation. The scene was not like what outside people think, first get naked and then go crazy. Even if we play SM, to them its only part of life, just like as calm as watching a flower bloom."
Clandestine782
04-15-10, 12:48
Whoa! There are only two explanations of this:
1. Pollution here is a lot worse than we thought it was;
2. In spite of such a huge population, the gene pool really is quite small. (Something like 80% of the population fits onto 100 surnames). I've noticed that there are a lot of strange genetic defects here (young people with gray hair, lots of really deformed beggars, etc).
Whoa! There are only two explanations of this:
1. Pollution here is a lot worse than we thought it was;
2. In spite of such a huge population, the gene pool really is quite small. (Something like 80% of the population fits onto 100 surnames). I've noticed that there are a lot of strange genetic defects here (young people with gray hair, lots of really deformed beggars, etc).My guess is that these are pictures that have been edited/adjusted in Photoshop or other photo editors.
Clandestine782
04-19-10, 10:31
China Daily link to the article: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-03/25/content_9638026.htm
1. How often does Uncle Hu die his hair?
2. Why is Chinese traffic more fun to watch than participate in?
3. Is P4P, across all its strata (street walkers, BBS, bars, KTVs etc.) a perfect market?
4. Why is decent bread almost impossible to buy?
5. So what's all this about KTVs (terrible songs, terrible music, cigarette smoke, overpriced food and drink, beautiful girls)?
6. What are the most effective 100 characters in Mandarin (or Cantonese, for that matter) to help you get laid?
7. When will spitting in public places be banned, enforced and then cease?
8. When will official corruption bring about the collapse of the Government?
9. Can any foreigner in China imagine life without the Internet, and Internet freebies?
10
i. Will Team Wang, led by captain Andreas Wang, enter this year's Tour de France?
ii. Will they win sprint finishes, if there is an image of a BBS at the finish line?
iii Have they done enough training in the mountains?
Just my 10 important questions for today.
P13
California8
04-24-10, 16:55
8. When will official corruption bring about the collapse of the Government?All they need to do is legalize it like the USA system. Politicians, lobbyists and campaign funds. It really is the same difference and it is going strong here but it is not called corruption in the USA. The union donates to the campaign fund and the politician goes to a Global Warming conference in France and spends ungodly sums of money on first class travel, meals, lodging, gifts and probably our hobby too. And the union has votes for their position in hand.
Cal8
In the US it's the Insurance companies and inter related organizations. To get a government contract in the US you need a payment and performance bond, a financial statement prepared by a 'registered' account, liability insurance, workers compensation, and usually have to be invited to bid on a project. In non government jobs you may not have to have the payment and performance bonds.
All they need to do is legalize it like the USA system. Politicians, lobbyists and campaign funds. It really is the same difference and it is going strong here but it is not called corruption in the USA. The union donates to the campaign fund and the politician goes to a Global Warming conference in France and spends ungodly sums of money on first class travel, meals, lodging, gifts and probably our hobby too. And the union has votes for their position in hand.
Cal8
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100506/ap_on_he_me/as_med_china_syphilis_scourge
Be careful out there and cover up (like I never did)
By MARGIE MASON, AP Medical Writer Margie Mason, Ap Medical Writer Wed May 5, 8:28 pm ET
Every hour a baby is born in China with syphilis, as the world's fastest-growing epidemic of the disease is fueled by men with new money from the nation's booming economy, researchers say.
The easy-to-cure bacterial infection, which was nearly wiped out in China five decades ago, is now the most commonly reported sexually transmitted disease in its largest city, Shanghai.
Prostitutes along with gay and bisexual men, many of whom are married with families, are driving the epidemic, according to a commentary published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The increase reflects the country's staggering economic growth, providing both businessmen and migrant laborers more cash and opportunity to pay for unsafe sex while away from home.
"In the '50s and '60s in China, syphilis and other STDs were extremely uncommon. The number of new cases has just rapidly accelerated," Dr. Joseph Tucker, lead author and an infectious disease specialist at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said in an interview. "Even one baby born with syphilis in China is unacceptable."
Unlike other sexually spread diseases, such as gonorrhea or chlamydia, syphilis can eventually ravage the mind and kill if left untreated. A shot of penicillin is a cheap cure, but many people never experience specific symptoms and the disease remains undiagnosed.
With no mandatory routine screening in place for pregnant women in China, the rate of mother-to-child transmission jumped from 7 to 57 cases per 100,000 live births between 2003 and 2008, Tucker said.
In the U.S., despite laws in most U.S. states requiring testing during pregnancy, the disease is also making a comeback after nearly being eliminated 10 years ago. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last month that after a 14-year decline, the number of babies born with syphilis rose from 8 to 10 cases per 100,000 live births from 2005 to 2008, mostly among black women in the South. The country's overall syphilis rate rose 17 percent in 2008 from the year before, with more than 60 percent of cases linked to gay sex.
The World Health Organization estimates 12 million people are infected with syphilis worldwide each year, affecting some 2 million pregnancies, with about one quarter of them resulting in miscarriages or stillbirths.
Another quarter of the babies who survive are born underweight or with serious infections, upping a newborn's risk of death during the first fragile weeks of life. Syphilis can also cause deafness, neurological problems or bone deformities in newborns.
"This damage is irreversible," said Dr. Connie Osborne, a senior HIV adviser at WHO in China. "Prevention of maternal syphilis combined with routine screening of pregnant women and early treatment of neonatal syphilis can prevent most, if not all, cases."
In recent years, China's Communist government has made huge strides in openly addressing the spread of HIV, which is easier to transmit and catch if other infections exist. But social stigma remains a huge barrier for people infected with any sexually transmitted disease, making it important for tests and treatment to be moved out of doctors' offices and into brothels, clubs and communities where high-risk groups gather.
Paul Causey, a consultant with the Asia Pacific Coalition on Male Sexual Health in Bangkok, said reaching married men who have sex with men in China is particularly tricky because they remain deeply closeted and do not hang out with gay men socially. A lack of a thriving civil society to provide awareness and advocacy in China also creates challenges, often leaving the responsibility to local organizations and officials.
Syphilis was nearly eradicated in China in the 1960s after a propaganda blitz to shut down brothels which included mass screening and treatment of prostitutes. But as free-market reforms thrust the nation's economy into high gear in the 1980s, the disease rebounded at an unprecedented rate.
While other countries have higher syphilis rates than China, including many in Africa, cases are now rising by 30 percent every year in the world's most populous country, with the official government number tripling between 2004 and 2008 to nearly 280,000. Some of that may be linked to better reporting and screening, and one reason why the rate of syphilis among newborns may be growing faster is because they are being tested more than in the past, Tucker said.
China's government needs to better integrate screening for HIV and other sexually transmitted infections, as well as determine how and when testing and treatment should be carried out all the way down to the community level, Xiang-Sheng Chen, deputy director of China's National Center for Sexually Transmitted Disease Control said in a journal published by WHO last fall.
"Unlike many Western countries, China does not have an STI public health program which it should have," said Chen, who co-authored the commentary. "State policy has focused mainly on HIV/AIDS."
Checked in bareback today, no proxy, nuthin, perhaps we are out of the woods!
fz
Clandestine782
05-15-10, 18:17
You are right. And it would happen that they allowed ISG just as I got VPN service!
On another note, I am thinking about buying an offshore debit card. What experience do you guys have with that (if any)?
I've been out of the States for so long that my Visa debit card expired (I don't use credit cards), and it has been HELL trying to get another one. It seems that banks are very picky about where they send cards and they have a lot of picky questions about why you are opening a card when you do. I have been through no less than 2 banks and both of them closed the card when I started using it too much from overseas.
Going to the various banks of China to get a Visa/ Mastercard debit card is fraught with problems. Either (1), you fill out the application and they take it (and then throw it away somewhere) or (2) they issue you a card that is not supported for internet transactions (the idea being that that would make it even easier to circumvent the capital controls). So, the conclusion to which I've come is an offshore debit card.
Does anyone have any experience with those?
Debit card. I keep one of those from Suntrust. I also keep an active US drivers license and address. This has worked for nearly 2 years. I see no reason to change this.
You are right. And it would happen that they allowed ISG just as I got VPN service!
On another note, I am thinking about buying an offshore debit card. What experience do you guys have with that (if any)?
I've been out of the States for so long that my Visa debit card expired (I don't use credit cards), and it has been HELL trying to get another one. It seems that banks are very picky about where they send cards and they have a lot of picky questions about why you are opening a card when you do. I have been through no less than 2 banks and both of them closed the card when I started using it too much from overseas.
Going to the various banks of China to get a Visa/ Mastercard debit card is fraught with problems. Either (1), you fill out the application and they take it (and then throw it away somewhere) or (2) they issue you a card that is not supported for internet transactions (the idea being that that would make it even easier to circumvent the capital controls). So, the conclusion to which I've come is an offshore debit card.
Does anyone have any experience with those?
TenthFloor
05-16-10, 02:49
Checked in bareback today, no proxy, nuthin, perhaps we are out of the woods!
fz
Not sure we are out of the woods: in Beijing I still need a proxy to access ISG, but AFF for example is no longer blocked.
You are right. And it would happen that they allowed ISG just as I got VPN service!
On another note, I am thinking about buying an offshore debit card. What experience do you guys have with that (if any)?
I've been out of the States for so long that my Visa debit card expired (I don't use credit cards), and it has been HELL trying to get another one. It seems that banks are very picky about where they send cards and they have a lot of picky questions about why you are opening a card when you do. I have been through no less than 2 banks and both of them closed the card when I started using it too much from overseas.
Going to the various banks of China to get a Visa/ Mastercard debit card is fraught with problems. Either (1), you fill out the application and they take it (and then throw it away somewhere) or (2) they issue you a card that is not supported for internet transactions (the idea being that that would make it even easier to circumvent the capital controls). So, the conclusion to which I've come is an offshore debit card.
Does anyone have any experience with those?I opened a China Merchants Bank account, and they gave me a Union pay debit/atm card. It seems to be more widely accepted in China than Visa/Mastercard (most stores & restaurants take it). Usually, I just use cash since this is still a cash society. I have a BOA card which I can use at China Construction Bank ATMs w/out any fees.
If your card expired you should be able to have them mail you a new one. If not, then I would suggest have them mail it to a relative's address in your home country and then have the relative mail it to you.
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On another note, I am thinking about buying an offshore debit card. What experience do you guys have with that (if any)?
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I have been through no less than 2 banks and both of them closed the card when I started using it too much from overseas.
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Does anyone have any experience with those?
C782: yes, I have lots of experience using an o/s based credit card. Works well, except ... sometimes a problem using it at a hotel, to pay the bill, because of electronic communication at that moment, not because of credit worthiness.
When you apply for your credit card, tell the bank that some, at least, of the transactions will be overseas-sourced (because you are travelling, have business, want to buy gifts for gfs etc.). Make it clear - write to them, and on the phone, and tell them the countries and months "away". You might need to revise this information from time to time.
Just my experience.
P13.
Meiguoguizi
05-16-10, 09:09
Debit card. I keep one of those from Suntrust. I also keep an active US drivers license and address. This has worked for nearly 2 years. I see no reason to change this.
unfortunately the U.S. patriot act now requires banks to restrict accounts mailed to non-resident expats. you need to maintain a U.S. address for the bank statements. check into Earth Class Mail www.earthclassmail.com if you need to establish a U.S. based mailing address and have the statements forwarded or just scanned on-line.
Professor 1
05-16-10, 19:10
You are right. And it would happen that they allowed ISG just as I got VPN service!
On another note, I am thinking about buying an offshore debit card. What experience do you guys have with that (if any)?
I've been out of the States for so long that my Visa debit card expired (I don't use credit cards), and it has been HELL trying to get another one. It seems that banks are very picky about where they send cards and they have a lot of picky questions about why you are opening a card when you do. I have been through no less than 2 banks and both of them closed the card when I started using it too much from overseas.
Going to the various banks of China to get a Visa/ Mastercard debit card is fraught with problems. Either (1), you fill out the application and they take it (and then throw it away somewhere) or (2) they issue you a card that is not supported for internet transactions (the idea being that that would make it even easier to circumvent the capital controls). So, the conclusion to which I've come is an offshore debit card.
Does anyone have any experience with those?
Consider getting a debit card with an investment account (bank), such as Ameriprise formerly AMEX Financial Services or a friendly foreign bank that does not mind carrying U.S. citizens (the list shrinks). As long as you maintain a valid address within the U.S., you may utilize the card anywhere in the world. In addition, conduct all business via the Internet, e.g., get online statements and the like via the Internet, and you should be fine.
Professor 1
05-16-10, 19:13
If your card expired you should be able to have them mail you a new one. If not, then I would suggest have them mail it to a relative's address in your home country and then have the relative mail it to you.
Another option is this: My business has a U.S. street address (my business agent for service). However, the entity there collects and forwards all of my mail to wherever I desire.
Is teaching English in China a good idea? I would take a TEFL class. I only need to make enough money to pay for my stay there. I would have a little bit of money to supplement myself if needed, but really want to make enough there to live on.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks
Jump Theshark
05-19-10, 02:24
7. When will spitting in public places be banned, enforced and then cease?
P13There's something very wrong about walking past an attractive girl, knowing she's then the only person near you, and then hearing her hawking and spitting.
It's my first time in China. What I'm wondering is if there is something in the air or water here that increases one's libido. I've been horny as hell since I got here.
It's my first time in China. What I'm wondering is if there is something in the air or water here that increases one's libido. I've been horny as hell since I got here.[/QUOTE]
YES THERE IS! It is called shapely legs in high heels, short skirts, great skin, and the look in their eyes that says, " I wonder what it is like to f**k a lowei"
As long as you aren't a tit man, you will be in heaven. That is of course if you like spinners with an Asian look. If you a big So. Amer "bunda" man, you are screwed and not in a good way..... unless you find one of the Mongolian gals somewhere....then just make sure to fasten your seat belt!
Either way it is a wild ride....for sure!
Loveasiangirls
05-19-10, 11:27
Is teaching English in China a good idea? I would take a TEFL class. I only need to make enough money to pay for my stay there. I would have a little bit of money to supplement myself if needed, but really want to make enough there to live on.
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks
Sure, you don't need much qualification except to have english as your native language but then again there are tons of people from eastern Europe or Africa teaching english. There is a big shortage but you will make just enough to survive. Socially also you are at the bottom of the totem pole and many girls will not date teachers as they are seen as poor with no future. If you have no principle you can some from some students but don't expect quality girls.
Clandestine782
05-19-10, 20:44
Sure, you don't need much qualification except to have english as your native language but then again there are tons of people from eastern Europe or Africa teaching english. There is a big shortage but you will make just enough to survive. Socially also you are at the bottom of the totem pole and many girls will not date teachers as they are seen as poor with no future. If you have no principle you can some from some students but don't expect quality girls.That's not true.
1. Any white person with a pulse and most of his limbs/ teeth can find a woman here. Black men must speak the local language.
2. I work with several foreign men, and they all have local wives. In fact, now that I think back, I'd say that most of the men have local wives when they get past a certain age.
3. There are not that many Eastern Europeans working in this business. The foreigners who are not from first tier English speaking countries that find the most work are actually people from the Philippines. The Chinese people are often not willing to hire black people (even if they are Americans), and much less willing than that to hire black Africans. (You will see that most black Africans work in smaller cities and places up north that no one wants to go.)
4. You won't be rich, but the benefits usually include: Your working visa paid for, school provided accommodation, and an airfare allowance. (The going rate these days is 4,000 for a half year contract and 8000 for a one year contract.) The range of salaries is about 5,000 (say adults at a training center or a university) to 15,000 (say teaching as a certified teacher at an International School somewhere on the East Coast or in the North). If you live like a Chinese person (and learn to take the bus and eat the same food as the local people), it should not cost you more than 2,100 per month for life expenses. If you make 10,000 per month then that is savings of 7,900. Over US$1,000 per month. For reference, you can buy a local car for 40,000. That is the equivalent of about 6 months worth of savings. (When I worked in Hunan, we had a guy from Pakistan there who taught English and had bought himself a car.) Teaching a 50 minute class (moonlighting) can be an extra 100-120RMB. Bit by bit, it adds up.
5. A lot of people who are in this game either (a) got downsized from their job in their home country (b) never got their career started because of a worthless degree or something else or (c) just REALLY hated their job at home and looked for a change.
6. If you teach at a university, the choices of women are not that great. A lot of those girls are OLD VIRGINS. And if you do live on a campus, the security guards will watch every single person that comes and goes from your apartment. (I have known security guards to make up lies about the coming and goings from your apartment because they so resent a foreigner having access to their scarce women-- HUGE sex imbalance here.) If you want to talk about some people who are low on the totem pole, then you want to talk about security guards.
7. If you are willing to learn the language, all sorts of doors can open up for you. (Many of the foreigners here are idiots and won't learn languages for the most basic of purposes-- and have a lot of trouble as a result.)
That's not true.
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7. If you are willing to learn the language, all sorts of doors can open up for you. (Many of the foreigners here are idiots and won't learn languages for the most basic of purposes-- and have a lot of trouble as a result.)
C782: rarely have truer words been spoken.
Think of the market: 750 million Chinese women, and maybe 200 million of these are interested, at least a little, in our hobby. Of these 90 - 95% can't speak English (except perhaps for a few words, eg. "hello", "bye"). 90% of 200 million is about 180 million. So if you learn Chinese (Cantonese or putong hua) a huge Huge HUGE market opens up.
Just my experience.
P13.
That's not true.
Good post - I agree with the points almost entirely down the line.
Andreas Wang
05-20-10, 04:05
4. Why is decent bread almost impossible to buy?
I suggest you try the Weiduomei 味多美 chain. In Beijing they got a branch on pretty much every block, no idea about other cities. Their logo is white on red with a teddy bear image and their french bread is basically like at home: crisp and none of this sweetness "French bread with Chinese characteristics" is well(?) known for.
Drawback: They only bake a certain amount around noon and that's it. You want it for breakfast - out of luck, none baken yet. You want to buy some in the afternoon - out of luck, already sold out. Preorder is possible though I was told.
Nevertheless - nice option for lunch. Price: 5.8 yuan for about one meter of decent white bread.
No, that's not my standard opener to pick up freebies.
Clandestine782
05-20-10, 05:29
http://www.offshore-pro.info/index.php?page=pre-paid-anonymous-cards
These guys can get you an offshore debit card (with a visa logo) with the minimum of fuss. I am using them and give them a tenative endorsement (can give a complete endorsement when I sign for the card).
The thing is: Chinese bank cards cannot be used outside of China and if a Chinese bank is willing to issue you a Visa/ Mastercard logo debit card it is not likely to be internet supported. (That would be a way around the capital controls and it's so obvious/ easy that the PRC government has thought about it.)
The total price worked out to be something like US$130. That includes courier service (delivery is in 3 days from the time of receipt of payment).
FernandoAlonso
05-21-10, 13:04
In case it was missed by someone, the guy who organised a couple of swinger parties in his home and some hotels got 3,5 years prison under a criminal sentence (normally sex, even prostitution is not considered a criminal offense in China). The point the court made it was disruption of public morale. More than 70% of the often cited netizens argued he should never even have been put on trial as what you do voluntarily in your home is your private thing. That was written like this in the China Daily!
What a generation gap. Of course one point was that one of the participants was a cop woman publicly bragging about these parties, which was rather stupid to say the least.
Gives some nice insights in how society is evolving here and also what to better keep private in first place.
FA
Member #3434
05-22-10, 11:56
There's something very wrong about walking past an attractive girl, knowing she's then the only person near you, and then hearing her hawking and spitting.
Definitely a deal breaker, especially if she gets it on your trousers. Also hate seeing beautiful women who eat and chew with their mouths open with the loud chewing sounds or picking their noses on the subway. I pick my nose too, but not when hundreds of people are watching.
It's my first time in China. What I'm wondering is if there is something in the air or water here that increases one's libido. I've been horny as hell since I got here.It's all in your "head", your not really horny.
Over it. Spitting makes them horny.
There's something very wrong about walking past an attractive girl, knowing she's then the only person near you, and then hearing her hawking and spitting.
It's my first time in China. What I'm wondering is if there is something in the air or water here that increases one's libido. I've been horny as hell since I got here.
YES THERE IS! It is called shapely legs in high heels, short skirts, great skin, and the look in their eyes that says, " I wonder what it is like to f**k a lowei"
As long as you aren't a tit man, you will be in heaven. And you said it.
SKIN!
I have been wondering for long why average asian girls attract me more than 99% of the good old white. I've compard every detail and finally ended up realising this : a lot of asian women have awesome skin, spotless, no red parts or irregularities, smooth as silk. It's something i never realised before, but thinking about it, it makes girls look fresh, and when women get older the difference becomes even more noticeable.
Another thing : many peopl criticize people who spit and speak loud. But come to think of it, many of our occidental girls tend to be pretty vulgar too, and not always very feminine.
I would add that many Chinese females have educated pussy. They have the ability to wrap that pussy around your dick like a glove. Not too tight and not too loose. As good as it gets. Age isn't an issue here either. Skill and enthusiasm. The sharp intake of their breath as you enter and they match your rhythm. And God made orientals. Thank you Jesus.
And you said it.
SKIN!
I have been wondering for long why average asian girls attract me more than 99% of the good old white. I've compard every detail and finally ended up realising this: a lot of asian women have awesome skin, spotless, no red parts or irregularities, smooth as silk. It's something I never realised before, but thinking about it, it makes girls look fresh, and when women get older the difference becomes even more noticeable.
Another thing: many peopl criticize people who spit and speak loud. But come to think of it, many of our occidental girls tend to be pretty vulgar too, and not always very feminine.
Over it. Spitting makes them horny.
I'll take spitting over a belching girl anyday.
Onadlos,
Many western girls should learn from Chinese girls. Stay OUT OF THE SUN!!! The Sun damages your skin enormously! But western girls love to sunbathe and that creates wrinkles and spots. Even Chinese girls who are tanned due to hard labor in the fields have even skin tone, as their skin can take sunlight better than White girl's skin due to the tone and hue of their skin.
On top of that it could also be that Chinese are skinner as well. Western women's overall bone structure is just bigger and wider, whereas Chinese girl's frame are smaller and more "feminine"
Regardless, Chinese women in general are just prettier in my personal opinion.
AsnDragon
And you said it.
SKIN!
I have been wondering for long why average asian girls attract me more than 99% of the good old white. I've compard every detail and finally ended up realising this : a lot of asian women have awesome skin, spotless, no red parts or irregularities, smooth as silk. It's something i never realised before, but thinking about it, it makes girls look fresh, and when women get older the difference becomes even more noticeable.
Another thing : many peopl criticize people who spit and speak loud. But come to think of it, many of our occidental girls tend to be pretty vulgar too, and not always very feminine.
Meiguoguizi
06-03-10, 22:41
And you said it.
SKIN!
I have been wondering for long why average asian girls attract me more than 99% of the good old white. I've compard every detail and finally ended up realising this : a lot of asian women have awesome skin, spotless, no red parts or irregularities, smooth as silk. It's something i never realised before, but thinking about it, it makes girls look fresh, and when women get older the difference becomes even more noticeable.
wrapping those long silky strands around your right fist as you slap her ass and pound her from behind... sigh
Meiguoguizi,
Wow!! what a pretty girl. Is that the quality that you get in HuiZhou? Would love to hang out with you, you seem to always one of the lucky ones that get the good looking girls.
AsnDragon
wrapping those long silky strands around your right fist as you slap her ass and pound her from behind... sigh
I actually do foreign teacher recruiting for the company I work for and clandestine is generally correct.
I first came to China back in 01 and then went back home to Australia in 06. I had a decent job but was bored shitless and missed the lifestyle in China so I came back.
My old boss offered me a position as the Foreign principal at one of his kindies and I accepted it, and I dont regret having done so. I didnt just come back to be a principal though, I do have other plans for the future.
I have also noticed that a lot of teachers do not plan on staying on as teachers for the long term and have all sorts of business ideas that they plan to implement. The thing is though, that they hardly ever do anything about it, but if one has the initiative then China, unlike back home, can provide all sorts of opportunities (and this is the real reason as to why I came back here).
Having said that, my boss is looking for kindergarten teachers for Foshan and Guangzhou, but I am not gonna advertise the fact here. if anyone is interested you can PM me.
Gentlemen,
I'm planning on spending a few months in Asia and of course, China is high on my list. I'd like to get some feedback/suggestions as to where would be a good option for someone like me (30 years old, caucasian, well travelled man, specially to South America and Brasil but first timer in Asia/China; so no Chinese lingo skills whatsoever, however I'm willing to learn the lingo) in China? I realize China is a big country so that's why I'm here to get some tips/suggestions from the pros. What I'd want to know is:
- I'd like to spend say 3-6 months (possibly more depending on how it goes in my first time there) in China starting this fall.
- I'm a Canuck, what are my visa options?.
- I'd have about a budget of $3-$5K/month. Is that enough to have a relatively confortable lifestyle. Not looking for anything lavish nor luxurious but confortable enough.
- I work mainly online on my businesses so having highly reliable fast internet connection for me is vital.
- I'd like to enroll in a Chinese course (which would you recommend to learn? Mandarin or Cantonese? Which one is the most useful for mainland China and overall in China?).
- I might even consider doing some English/French teaching on the side to occupy my mind and not getting bored and why not meet some sexy Chinese women along the way?
- I'd like a city which is relatively safe, with a good nightlife, with a good weather, preferably no cold season as I am sick and tired of the cold here...
So gents, what are your suggestions based on the above?
Thanks a bunch!
SE Asia Joe
06-22-10, 05:16
Gentlemen,
I'm planning on spending a few months in Asia and of course, China is high on my list. I'd like to get some feedback/suggestions as to where would be a good option for someone like me (30 years old, caucasian, well travelled man, specially to South America and Brasil but first timer in Asia/China; so no Chinese lingo skills whatsoever, however I'm willing to learn the lingo) in China? I realize China is a big country so that's why I'm here to get some tips/suggestions from the pros. What I'd want to know is:
- I'd like to spend say 3-6 months (possibly more depending on how it goes in my first time there) in China starting this fall.
- I'm a Canuck, what are my visa options?.
- I'd have about a budget of $3-$5K/month. Is that enough to have a relatively confortable lifestyle. Not looking for anything lavish nor luxurious but confortable enough.
- I work mainly online on my businesses so having highly reliable fast internet connection for me is vital.
- I'd like to enroll in a Chinese course (which would you recommend to learn? Mandarin or Cantonese? Which one is the most useful for mainland China and overall in China?).
- I might even consider doing some English/French teaching on the side to occupy my mind and not getting bored and why not meet some sexy Chinese women along the way?
- I'd like a city which is relatively safe, with a good nightlife, with a good weather, preferably no cold season as I am sick and tired of the cold here...
So gents, what are your suggestions based on the above?
Thanks a bunch!
Hmmmm... also posted a similar post on the Thai boards huh??!!
Anyway.... and ALL the following is of course just IMHO:
First off, I'd suggest that for such a long period of time, you need a "base" location to be able to fully enjoy your stay in China - and I'd suggest Guangzhou as an ideal location.
- Air/Train hub convenient for you to do trips from - to places that ARE expensive/thus you'd want to only stay for short period, to Hong Kong to renew your visa AND to once a while get out of the madness of China/a semblance of Western standards and practices. AND most importantly - the Gentlemen's' playground of Dongguan right next door - where the variety, experience, pricing ranges from RMB 30 to 3, 4, 5,000 OR even higher!! In any case, your sexual romps are gonna be a lot cheaper down South than most other places in China.
-NOT gonna be cold - but IS hot and humid in the Summer! But Air conditions are ubiquitous!.
- Cheaper than other Chinese metropolises like BJ, SHA etc - where you'd have NOT such a comfortable living on your budget. You can get a VERY nice apartment in GZ for RMB 5,000/month - with very acceptable places for even a quarter of that.
And your budget of CAD$ 5 K SHOULD afford you a fairly comfortable living - unless of course if you go hog wild (like a LOT of guys who've just escaped the sex hell of N. America go and do) and should easily accommodate a night on the town at least a couple nights a week - if not more if to less pricier options.
Definitely Mandarin - easier to learn, more useful EVERYWHERE in China and the world vs just GD province. - and even here , just about EVERYBODY speaks Mandarin.
Teaching - especially if it's NOT gonna be your only source of income - IS gonna open up China for you. You could either actually teach (Hey - PM Pig Fat! He's always interested to talk to teachers) or even just hang around English speaking corners at Universities, English language schools etc.
Internet lines - you could either subscribe to a line or even get a WIFI finger to do your online business. I've even met professional Internet gamblers living happily in China and able to do his thing very happily on his computer - so this should not be a problem anywhere in China.
Hope the above helps
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
06-22-10, 13:36
Gentlemen,
I'm planning on spending a few months in Asia and of course, China is high on my list. I'd like to get some feedback/suggestions as to where would be a good option for someone like me (30 years old, caucasian, well travelled man, specially to South America and Brasil but first timer in Asia/China; so no Chinese lingo skills whatsoever, however I'm willing to learn the lingo) in China? I realize China is a big country so that's why I'm here to get some tips/suggestions from the pros. What I'd want to know is:
- I'd like to spend say 3-6 months (possibly more depending on how it goes in my first time there) in China starting this fall.
- I'm a Canuck, what are my visa options?.
- I'd have about a budget of $3-$5K/month. Is that enough to have a relatively confortable lifestyle. Not looking for anything lavish nor luxurious but confortable enough.
- I work mainly online on my businesses so having highly reliable fast internet connection for me is vital.
- I'd like to enroll in a Chinese course (which would you recommend to learn? Mandarin or Cantonese? Which one is the most useful for mainland China and overall in China?).
- I might even consider doing some English/French teaching on the side to occupy my mind and not getting bored and why not meet some sexy Chinese women along the way?
- I'd like a city which is relatively safe, with a good nightlife, with a good weather, preferably no cold season as I am sick and tired of the cold here...
So gents, what are your suggestions based on the above?
Thanks a bunch!
As this is your first time in Chine you will get a 30-day tourist visa. Every 30 days you will need to go to HK to get a new one.
Gentlemen,
I'm planning on spending a few months in Asia and of course, China is high on my list. I'd like to get some feedback/suggestions as to where would be a good option for someone like me (30 years old, caucasian, well travelled man, specially to South America and Brasil but first timer in Asia/China; so no Chinese lingo skills whatsoever, however I'm willing to learn the lingo) in China? I realize China is a big country so that's why I'm here to get some tips/suggestions from the pros. What I'd want to know is:
- I'd like to spend say 3-6 months (possibly more depending on how it goes in my first time there) in China starting this fall.
- I'm a Canuck, what are my visa options?.
- I'd have about a budget of $3-$5K/month. Is that enough to have a relatively confortable lifestyle. Not looking for anything lavish nor luxurious but confortable enough.
- I work mainly online on my businesses so having highly reliable fast internet connection for me is vital.
- I'd like to enroll in a Chinese course (which would you recommend to learn? Mandarin or Cantonese? Which one is the most useful for mainland China and overall in China?).
- I might even consider doing some English/French teaching on the side to occupy my mind and not getting bored and why not meet some sexy Chinese women along the way?
- I'd like a city which is relatively safe, with a good nightlife, with a good weather, preferably no cold season as I am sick and tired of the cold here...
So gents, what are your suggestions based on the above?
Thanks a bunch!
Best thing to do is go first on a tourist visa for a month. Wait for 6 months and apply for 1 year multiple entry visa. Since you already had a visa before it is likely your multiple entry , one year visa will be approved.
Your options for staying are Shanghai ( it is a metropolis with many expats), Shenzhen ( easy access to Hong Kong and good unhurried lifestyle, Guangzhou ( Large city with many expats ). With $5000/month you can live lavish lifestyle. It will be more than 30,000 RMB. You can rent a decent Apt. for around 3000 RM. Cable and Internet are very cheap and so is domestic help.
They are actively hiring english teachers. Learning Mandarin is not difficult if you live in China long time.
Thanks a bunch to all you guys for your tips and suggestions. Much appreciated. I will keep reading the China forum and as my trip gets closer, I'll ask more questions.
SEA Joe,
what do mean when you wrote ? "Teaching - especially if it's NOT gonna be your only source of income - IS gonna open up China for you. "
Cheers.
Thanks a bunch to all you guys for your tips and suggestions. Much appreciated. I will keep reading the China forum and as my trip gets closer, I'll ask more questions.
SEA Joe,
what do mean when you wrote ? "Teaching - especially if it's NOT gonna be your only source of income - IS gonna open up China for you. "
Cheers.
I think he means that teaching will not pay very well however you will be able to meet a lot of people including girls.
SE Asia Joe
06-23-10, 06:51
I think he means that teaching will not pay very well however you will be able to meet a lot of people including girls.
Yes - that is basically what I meant.
As an English teacher, you wll meet - in a natural setting -people who already have affinity towards things International - as evidenced by their wanting to learn a foreign language. This is as opposed to SOME Chinese who are not only xenophobic, but are outright hostile to Foreigners.
And yes, make no mistake about THIS - there ARE Chinese who resent foreigners - like everywhere else I guess!
You'd also then NOT fall into the popular scam played on tourists who thinks that a lot of Chinese are pleased just to be able to practice their English - whilst al along, their only intention is to lure their unsuspecting prey into some overpriced teahouse or club!
Now... for the pay part - Teaching in China is NOT going to make you a fortune and you'd have quite a tough time trying to make ends meet IF your only source of income is from teaching. Note though, that foreigners teaching foreign languages are already being paid a very substantial premiums over their local colleagues - but its still not a lot of $$.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Now... for the pay part - Teaching in China is NOT going to make you a fortune and you'd have quite a tough time trying to make ends meet IF your only source of income is from teaching. Note though, that foreigners teaching foreign languages are already being paid a very substantial premiums over their local colleagues - but its still not a lot of $$.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
You will definitely not be able to go to the KTVs every weekend on a teachers salary, but you wouldnt want to anyway. I added my living expenses to be about 5000rmb a month (rent, utilities, taxis, food, gym, etc, etc) but I am not as frugal as some, you could probably get away with about 4000RMB leaving the rest of whatever salary you have for savings, girls, etc. Like I said you wouldnt be able to go to a KTV every weekend but BBS girls and dirty massages are most certainly doable. Do some tutoring on the side like just about all teachers here and you can then afford to go to a KTV once/twice a month.
Loveasiangirls
06-24-10, 00:46
You will definitely not be able to go to the KTVs every weekend on a teachers salary, but you wouldnt want to anyway. I added my living expenses to be about 5000rmb a month (rent, utilities, taxis, food, gym, etc, etc) but I am not as frugal as some, you could probably get away with about 4000RMB leaving the rest of whatever salary you have for savings, girls, etc. Like I said you wouldnt be able to go to a KTV every weekend but BBS girls and dirty massages are most certainly doable. Do some tutoring on the side like just about all teachers here and you can then afford to go to a KTV once/twice a month.
It depends in which city you live and teach. In Beijing 4000rmb rent will get you a dump. And that is rent only. But salaries are higher in Beijing. And so are drinks in bars. If you live in a place like Yangshuo then you can live quite well.
In big cities like Beijing the best quality girls will stay away from english teachers as they are considered "poor" and can,t take the girl out to nice places. In some ads in websites like the Beijinger some girls will specify no teachers. In terms of social status, english teachers are pretty much the bottom of list. But you will have the chance to meet plenty of girls.
Just make sure that fooling around with your students doesn't get you fired. You may find this website useful:
http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/dating-sex-relationships-china.htm
SE Asia Joe
06-24-10, 04:26
It depends in which city you live and teach. ........................... In terms of social status, english teachers are pretty much the bottom of list. [/url]
Yes - that statement is probably correct in a lot of cases - especially in the bigger cities.
But in the smaller ones, the local population appreciates the fact that here is foreigner, willing to make his sacrifices in terms of standard of living and whatever, go to their area, just to teach their children (and perhaps also THEM).
And remember that Confucianism is still alive and well in China - and thus teachers still do get a lot of respect. Traditionally and in fact.
Just IMHO
SEAJ
Forbidden Kid
06-24-10, 13:13
Just now, I accidentally clicked the link to ISG without my vpn on. As I was about to redirect, the page loaded for me and as of right now I am writing this without a vpn.
Youtube still doesn't work though. Anyone know why?
FK
Harold Bell
06-28-10, 04:41
Gentlemen,
I'm planning on spending a few months in Asia and of course, China is high on my list. I'd like to get some feedback/suggestions as to where would be a good option for someone like me (30 years old, caucasian, well travelled man, specially to South America and Brasil but first timer in Asia/China; so no Chinese lingo skills whatsoever, however I'm willing to learn the lingo) in China? I realize China is a big country so that's why I'm here to get some tips/suggestions from the pros. What I'd want to know is:
- I'd like to spend say 3-6 months (possibly more depending on how it goes in my first time there) in China starting this fall.
- I'm a Canuck, what are my visa options?.
- I'd have about a budget of $3-$5K/month. Is that enough to have a relatively confortable lifestyle. Not looking for anything lavish nor luxurious but confortable enough.
- I work mainly online on my businesses so having highly reliable fast internet connection for me is vital.
- I'd like to enroll in a Chinese course (which would you recommend to learn? Mandarin or Cantonese? Which one is the most useful for mainland China and overall in China?).
- I might even consider doing some English/French teaching on the side to occupy my mind and not getting bored and why not meet some sexy Chinese women along the way?
- I'd like a city which is relatively safe, with a good nightlife, with a good weather, preferably no cold season as I am sick and tired of the cold here...
So gents, what are your suggestions based on the above?
Thanks a bunch!
Check out www.abroadchina.org . It lists a lot of chinese colleges and universities looking for foreign teachers. You can also post a resume there. The semester is coming to an end right now, and lots of schools are scrambling to find new teachers.
I would suggest you stay away from private schools and stick to public universities. Public universities will offer less money, but they will actually pay it, on time. They have standard operating procedures, can actually take you to the hospital or help you buy a plane/train ticket, etc. Private schools are always for-profit and are often less than honest or above-board. In a general way, the highest paying places are in Fujian or Guangdong, but they expect the most from you. Schools in western or southern provinces may pay less, but they will ask less of you, too. At present, I'm leaving a place in Changchun (next door to Russia) which pays 4700/mo for a place in Kunming (next to Viet Nam), which pays 3500/mo, but has a better climate and more pleasant surroundings.
For what it's worth, a Chinese friend claims that Changchun in the sex capital of China. Girls at a nice bath house here will charge 230-260 for sex. You afford that on a foreign teacher's salary. In Yunnan, you could hire a BBS girl for 100 in Qujing or Yuxi (smaller cities), or so I'm told. I'm not sure what the KM situation is right now, but I used to do it in BBS for 150-200.
Kunming is a popular place for foreigners to study Chinese. There are lots of schools, both public and private, that would do what you need. The foreign coummunity is big and diverse enough that you ought not get too lonely. Check out www.gokunming.com for more info.
I'd suggest studying Mandarin, not Cantonese. Mandarin is the national language, taught everywhere, and is relatively simple to learn. Cantonese is rather more complex and probably more difficult to learn. It might be useful if you plan to do a lot of business in Hong Kong. Everywhere else, it's Mandarin.
Thanks again guys for your awesomely helpful comments, very much appreciated! I'm a bit overwhelmed at this time since this would be my first time not only to China but to Asia.
Awesome site there Lovegasiangirls. Thanks.
Thanks a bunch also Harold Bell for the very informative post.
I'm sorry, since I am a China virgin, what are BBS and KTV?
So Mandarin is the way to go I gather. Would people in HK speak Mandarin or are willing to speak it? Is there a regional divide where the folks in HK would not want to speak Mandarin? Or no such thing in China/HK?
Thanks a lot again guys, your input, tips, suggestions and all are very much appreciated.
Cheers.
Thanks again guys for your awesomely helpful comments, very much appreciated! I'm a bit overwhelmed at this time since this would be my first time not only to China but to Asia.
Awesome site there Lovegasiangirls. Thanks.
Thanks a bunch also Harold Bell for the very informative post.
I'm sorry, since I am a China virgin, what are BBS and KTV?
So Mandarin is the way to go I gather. Would people in HK speak Mandarin or are willing to speak it? Is there a regional divide where the folks in HK would not want to speak Mandarin? Or no such thing in China/HK?
Thanks a lot again guys, your input, tips, suggestions and all are very much appreciated.
Cheers.
BBS or otherwise known as barbershops with extras. Here you can get your hair cut, Dick shined in upstairs rooms for a reasonable fee.
KTV also known as Karaoke TV is a front for companionship and prostituition.
Set up is usually expensive. Generally you negotiate on entering regarding what you want to drink, eat, how many hours etc. They will seat you in a room and they will many girls to choose for you to pick as your company . If you do not like the first batch, they will bring more. Each girl will charge you for the companionship. Afterwards you can negotiate for the girl to go with you. Remember not all girls go, some are there only for company.
Hong Kong people although speak cantonese, do understand mandarin very well.
One of the best thing about living in China is that you can get cheap thrills just around the corner of your place of abode.
Was out buying supper for the missus and popped into a BBS on the way. Had myself a BBBJ at rmb130. Everything done within walking distance from the apartment and in less than 30mins.
Simply marvellous!
Hoeman...
Dastardley
06-29-10, 14:44
One of the best thing about living in China is that you can get cheap thrills just around the corner of your place of abode.Was out buying supper for the missus and popped into a BBS on the way. Had myself a BBBJ at rmb130. Everything done within walking distance from the apartment and in less than 30mins.
Simply marvellous!
Take away food...but it's the BBS that delivers!
Nicely done
D
Take away food...but it's the BBS that delivers!
Nicely done
D
Yup, and the flow went like this:
1. Order food at the restaurant.
2. Pay and tell them you will be back to collect in 20mins.
3. Go to the BBS and pick yr choice.
4. Proceed to cubicle at the back.
5. Inquire type of service available, followed by negotiation (if required).
6. BBS girl will start with service (take off yr pants, lick yr nipples, start with BBBJ with warm water. You can fondle her boobies, take off her panties to play with her pussy, ass-grab, etc).
7. Cum with pleasure (CIM, if you are lucky or can time it proper).
8. Pay the damage and leave.
9. Collect food at restaurant.
10. Return home a satisfied man.
All the above done in less than 30mins.
Hoeman
Thanks Sammon for the explanation. I hope to be sampling those in the very near future. :)
Hoeman, how much was the damage for that BBS delivery?
Good stuff. Keep'em coming those nice stories about China, they are making me even more curious to get to know this monster that is China. LOL
BBS or otherwise known as barbershops with extras. Here you can get your hair cut, Dick shined in upstairs rooms for a reasonable fee.
KTV also known as Karaoke TV is a front for companionship and prostituition.
Set up is usually expensive. Generally you negotiate on entering regarding what you want to drink, eat, how many hours etc. They will seat you in a room and they will many girls to choose for you to pick as your company . If you do not like the first batch, they will bring more. Each girl will charge you for the companionship. Afterwards you can negotiate for the girl to go with you. Remember not all girls go, some are there only for company.
Hong Kong people although speak cantonese, do understand mandarin very well.
Thanks Sammon for the explanation. I hope to be sampling those in the very near future. :)
Hoeman, how much was the damage for that BBS delivery?
Good stuff. Keep'em coming those nice stories about China, they are making me even more curious to get to know this monster that is China. LOL
The damage was RMB130 for the BBBJ.
If your primary interest ... in China is to pursue sex tourism, you will be gravely disappointed by the overall experience (in terms of quality, breadth of services offered, and relative cost, especially when compared to other Asian countries), and it would be best for you to consider another destination altogether.http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/prostitution-in-china.htm
Could there really be a better place?
http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/prostitution-in-china.htm
Could there really be a better place?Hey, the website master removed the quote marks from my quote of middlekindomlife! That is not wise to do even if the word "quote" appears above it. Those words were not mine.
I've been reading up on finding a job after my most recent visit. I've decided its what I'd really like to do for a couple of years not just for the fun. But for the career benefits.
Any help or direction anyone can provide will be much appreciated. From what I've read the best way is to network. So I'm giving it a shot. Obviously I can't/won't post information but if anyone is aware of job openings please send me a PM.
I've been reading up on finding a job after my most recent visit. I've decided its what I'd really like to do for a couple of years not just for the fun. But for the career benefits.
Any help or direction anyone can provide will be much appreciated. From what I've read the best way is to network. So I'm giving it a shot. Obviously I can't/won't post information but if anyone is aware of job openings please send me a PM.
Depends on what you can do. What are you qualified for, etc?
I am looking for English teachers (and there is a career aspect to that unlike a lot of English teaching jobs) but its not for everyone and you may want to look at something that is more relevant to your field, whatever that is
I've been reading up on finding a job after my most recent visit. I've decided its what I'd really like to do for a couple of years not just for the fun. But for the career benefits.
Any help or direction anyone can provide will be much appreciated. From what I've read the best way is to network. So I'm giving it a shot. Obviously I can't/won't post information but if anyone is aware of job openings please send me a PM.
Try online job sites or headhunters. Pretty easy to google with keywords like jobs + china. Just my POV.
Hoeman
Loveasiangirls
07-07-10, 15:20
I've been reading up on finding a job after my most recent visit. I've decided its what I'd really like to do for a couple of years not just for the fun. But for the career benefits.
Any help or direction anyone can provide will be much appreciated. From what I've read the best way is to network. So I'm giving it a shot. Obviously I can't/won't post information but if anyone is aware of job openings please send me a PM.
According a a headhunter friend of mine and a newspapers article I saw a while back, the way to get a job in China for an expat (other than english teacher) is to be sent to China by your company.
If you speak no mandarin it will be nearly impossible to get a job if you have also no chinese experience. There was a time when speaking english with some specific experience was a plus but now with all the Chinese studying abroad and all the returning Chinese, they have plenty of people who speak english, mandarin and have overseas experience. My friend who is a headhunter was saying that they never hire someone from overseas, only people who are already based in China.
California8
07-08-10, 14:50
You do not have to leave China to extend or update your visa if you are Shanghai.
Cal8
This copied and pasted from Shanghai Daily Online.
Fifth visa office opens for business in Putuo
By Ni Yinbin | 2010-7-7 | NEWSPAPER EDITION
A NEW visa-affairs office was officially opened in Putuo District yesterday offering visa application services for foreigners.
The office, at 1913 Daduhe Road, close to the district police headquarters, is the fifth visa office in the city where foreigners can extend or update their visas.
It also offers passport services for Chinese citizens.
Guo Jianxin, director of Shanghai Exit-Entry Administration Bureau, said the opening of the Putuo office would benefit foreign companies in the area.
The other offices are at 788 Gubei Road in Changning District and 39 Zhangjiang Road, 8 Huajing Road and 1500 Minsheng Road in the Pudong New Area.
"This helps the districts attract more investment and talented people from overseas," Guo said.
The Putuo office had more than 200 visa applications during a trial period from June 1.
Moving to Shanghai in a couple of weeks but have found it really hard trying to look for apartmets to rent without speaking chinese.
You guys have any suggestions on how to approach apartment-hunting?
Moving to Shanghai in a couple of weeks but have found it really hard trying to look for apartmets to rent without speaking chinese.
You guys have any suggestions on how to approach apartment-hunting?
Use your Chinese speaking (native or non-native speaker) colleagues.
It will be impossible for you to (i) find an apartment, (ii) inspect the apartment, (iii) ask about terms and conditions (utilities, internet connection, security, emergency numbers), and (iv) know the fine detail of the lease, especially payments and their scheduling, without a knowledge of commercial-language Chinese.
Just my experience.
P13.
One Eyed Man
08-14-10, 03:55
Moving to Shanghai in a couple of weeks but have found it really hard trying to look for apartmets to rent without speaking chinese.
You guys have any suggestions on how to approach apartment-hunting?
Have you tried real-estate websites like soufun.com? There ought to be some English-speaking brokers there, since so many foreigners live in SH.
Use your Chinese speaking (native or non-native speaker) colleagues.
It will be impossible for you to (i) find an apartment, (ii) inspect the apartment, (iii) ask about terms and conditions (utilities, internet connection, security, emergency numbers), and (iv) know the fine detail of the lease, especially payments and their scheduling, without a knowledge of commercial-language Chinese.
Just my experience.
P13.
Concur completely. Too many foreigners being taken for a ride. He needs indigenous assistance that is on HIS side.
Mind Maggot
08-15-10, 18:00
Have you tried real-estate websites like soufun.com? There ought to be some English-speaking brokers there, since so many foreigners live in SH.There are indeed some English speaking brokers. These might help...
www.joannarealestate.com.cn
www.shanghaicentre.com
www.fullhomechina.com
www.replusrealestate.com
www.eleganceproperty.com
www.shanghai-realty.com
What is the legal requirement to register a guest who stays after 11pm?
Does it matter that my guest might arrive, a little after me, in late afternoon, or early evening?
And how convincing will be the reply, "Oops. She forgot to register!"
Does the law vary from province to province, and city to city?
Is it more likely to be enforced in a large city, and hardly ever in a medium sized or small city?
Have any of the bruvvers had a problem with an unregistered guest staying overnight, who has first entered the hotel well before 11pm, and not left the room?
Thanks in anticipation.
P13.
I thought I would comment on the VPN issue.
I refuse to use free services for fear of getting passwords, data etc intercepted by God knows who.
I tried Witopia for a few months, connection was unreliable and damn slow.
I took a chance and tried StrongVPN and have been very happy with it for several months now. Connection quite reliable (still some disconnections sometimes.) and really fast. Night and day compared to Witopia. Tech support also instant via chat, 24/7, so any problem is fixed very quickly. I highly recommend them.
Use your Chinese speaking (native or non-native speaker) colleagues.
It will be impossible for you to (i) find an apartment, (ii) inspect the apartment, (iii) ask about terms and conditions (utilities, internet connection, security, emergency numbers), and (iv) know the fine detail of the lease, especially payments and their scheduling, without a knowledge of commercial-language Chinese.
Just my experience.
P13.
I live in Dongguan, and my apartment lease was handled by my company's HR&A department. The landlady being a Cantonese, when my company spoke to them directly in Cantonese, things were very smooth.
I am not sure whether you are employed by a company, but if so, then you should ask your company's staff to handle the case for you. Much better and less risk.
Chris Buckle
09-07-10, 22:42
Hi guys,
I'm new to the forum. Can anyone recommend a decent agent for leasing an apartment around the Nan Shan area?
Cheers,
CB.
SE Asia Joe
09-08-10, 04:48
I thought I would comment on the VPN issue.
I refuse to use free services for fear of getting passwords, data etc intercepted by God knows who.
I tried Witopia for a few months, connection was unreliable and damn slow.
I took a chance and tried StrongVPN and have been very happy with it for several months now. Connection quite reliable (still some disconnections sometimes.) and really fast. Night and day compared to Witopia. Tech support also instant via chat, 24/7, so any problem is fixed very quickly. I highly recommend them.
How much are you paying for Strong VPN?
Am on Witopia - I guess strictly because its cheap!! Something like US$65/year if I remember correctly.
And yes, its slow and unreliable - but nowadays seems like ISG is no longer blocked from here.
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
09-08-10, 04:51
What is the legal requirement to register a guest who stays after 11pm?
Does it matter that my guest might arrive, a little after me, in late afternoon, or early evening?
And how convincing will be the reply, "Oops. She forgot to register!"
Does the law vary from province to province, and city to city?
Is it more likely to be enforced in a large city, and hardly ever in a medium sized or small city?
Have any of the bruvvers had a problem with an unregistered guest staying overnight, who has first entered the hotel well before 11pm, and not left the room?
Thanks in anticipation.
P13.
Regulations differ town to town, hotel to hotel within the town AND one hour from the other.
Things are very fluid in this matter these days - crackdowns all over the place makes our activities quite fraught with dangers which we've not used to having had in the past - but there you have it.
Just be careful out there - and apologies if I didn't answer your question - but there just is no correct reply IMHO
SEAJ
How much are you paying for Strong VPN?I paid 69 bucks for a year (or maybe 79, I'm not totally sure anymore). A bit more than witopia but totally worth it for the difference.
Dastardley
09-08-10, 15:29
I paid 69 bucks for a year (or maybe 79, I'm not totally sure anymore). A bit more than witopia but totally worth it for the difference.
They have a "3 city special" for 55$ which I have used for a year and just renewed. I confirm the good comments: it's as fast as the China pipe lets it be, and I've never had a drop-out.
All the best
D
Forbidden Kid
09-08-10, 16:35
How much are you paying for Strong VPN?
Am on Witopia - I guess strictly because its cheap!! Something like US$65/year if I remember correctly.
And yes, its slow and unreliable - but nowadays seems like ISG is no longer blocked from here.
SEAJ
Actually I just renewed my witopia and its only 60/year with more than 20 cities to choose from. I think it is worth more than it should be.
FK
Actually I just renewed my witopia and its only 60/year with more than 20 cities to choose from. I think it is worth more than it should be.
FKTried both those services and use 12vpn now. It's $30/yr, no slow-down of the connection, US/UK/DE connections to choose from, never drops out. And options for use on Windows, Mac, and a variety of other platforms: Symbian, iPhone, Linux, etc.
OldAsiaHand
09-11-10, 03:15
I've had complete access to ISG in China for a couple of months now without a VPN, however, it seems Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. are still blocked. I had the cheap Witopia service which was OK for ISG, but not the others. Friends have recommended Strong VPN, but I cannnot figure out which plan to take. Anybody use it?
OAH
@OldAsia: just go for the 3 city special at 55 bucks, since Dastardley is happy with it. I have the slightly pricier one (can't remember the name) but it's not really necessary. StrongVPN is good.
Hi OAH,
I've tried six different VPNs and settled on 12vpn. At $30/yr it's much cheaper than StrongVPN and is stable and much easier to set up since it comes with a pre-configured install for Mac or Windows. Very easy to use and clean if you decide not to use it (to access local sites, etc). No slow-down of the connection. Slightly out of date comparison of 12vpn and StrongVPN here:
http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/sinobytes/post.htm?id=63014818
I use their 12vpn lite plan. Find it on their website or click the link here to go directly to it and choose either Mac or Windows (also works with iPhone, Android and Symbian mobile systems).
http://my.anuson.com/aff.php?aff=279&redirect=https://12vpn.com/lite/
Other 12vpn features: US/UK/DE servers, unlimited switching, OpenVPN, PPTP, L2TP, L2TP/IPSec, Cisco, own 12vpn DNS servers, automatic and transparent port-forwarding, NAT-PMP and UPNP support on their servers, IPv6, data limit is supposedly 10GB/month, but I've gone over this and never received a notice. The next plan up in the personal plan at $69.99/yr with unlimited data. All plans have a 7 day money back guarantee.
If you do a lot of torrent or P2P, 12vpn is not compatible. So just turn off 12vpn when downloading. If you want a vpn customized for torrent or p2p (and of course works fine with facebook, twitter, youtube, etc), go with bolehvpn.net out of Malaysia. USD $78.00/yr.
I did try StrongVPN's basic plan with PPTP, think it was $7/month. PPTP wasn't consistent, so talked with their customer service who recommended upgrading to their OpenVPN plans for use in China, starting at $10/month or $90/year. And no mobile devices and could only switch servers 5 times per month.
I've had complete access to ISG in China for a couple of months now without a VPN, however, it seems Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. are still blocked. I had the cheap Witopia service which was OK for ISG, but not the others. Friends have recommended Strong VPN, but I cannnot figure out which plan to take. Anybody use it?
OAH
forgot to mention for strongvpn users; make sure you change your port to 21, as the difference is significant. right click on the vpn icon bottom right of your screen, click on "edit config" and change the 443 on the first line to 21. save, exit the vpn, restart the vpn as administrator. the difference in speed and stability should be dramatic.
Clandestine782
10-21-10, 14:12
I am looking for something very technical: Dumbbells. The problem is this: I have been to every gym in this city and they don't seem to have any 50kg dumbbells (not pounds, kilograms), and when I ask them about ordering some they make out like such a thing has never been invented. Years ago, I lived in Huaihua, and I went to a little rinky dink gym there, and asked the boss if she could get some bigger dumbbells, and she went right out and got them. Secondhand. From this, I can know that second hand dumbbells can be had, but I don't know what particular place I would go to to find something like this. I am now in Shanghai. Recommendations? And these dumbbells should be of the type that don't come apart. For all the build-it-yourself dumbbells that I have ever seen, none of them are long enough to put on enough plates so as to create a 50kg/ 110lb dumbbell. At different gyms to which I have gone, the managers there have told me "Oh, you are the only one that is interested in using these," and so that makes me think that such a thing can be had, but they don't feel that it would be a good investment. (I have offered to pay half for any set of dumbbells that are bought. They couldn't be more than, say, 800 yuan.)
Taobao should have them. This seller seems to have the kind that don't come apart and has a photo of a 50kg one: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=4635712690
Have you tried kettlebells? I love them. There are definitely ones in the Chinese market that are around or above 50kg. Here's some standard ones: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3866265199
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=4787800200
and a series of local monsters: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=5943778441
I am looking for something very technical: Dumbbells. The problem is this: I have been to every gym in this city and they don't seem to have any 50kg dumbbells (not pounds, kilograms), and when I ask them about ordering some they make out like such a thing has never been invented. Years ago, I lived in Huaihua, and I went to a little rinky dink gym there, and asked the boss if she could get some bigger dumbbells, and she went right out and got them. Secondhand. From this, I can know that second hand dumbbells can be had, but I don't know what particular place I would go to to find something like this. I am now in Shanghai. Recommendations? And these dumbbells should be of the type that don't come apart. For all the build-it-yourself dumbbells that I have ever seen, none of them are long enough to put on enough plates so as to create a 50kg/ 110lb dumbbell. At different gyms to which I have gone, the managers there have told me "Oh, you are the only one that is interested in using these," and so that makes me think that such a thing can be had, but they don't feel that it would be a good investment. (I have offered to pay half for any set of dumbbells that are bought. They couldn't be more than, say, 800 yuan.)
Clandestine782
10-21-10, 15:45
No luck. Can't deal with kettlebells, and I had my woman look over the advertisement and she says that it is not quite that way.
Clandestine,
It shouldn't be a huge issue to bring the central part of a dumbbell (you know, the long iron bar thing) to any sort of foundry/worker place and have them make one that will be long enough to put any number of plates you need on it. Just bring a model for size and ask them to replicate it but longer. You only need a good Chinese speaker and do some search for the right place. In the outskirts of the city there are many construction stores with small workshops etc that would be able to do this, custom-made.
Happy Monkey
10-26-10, 03:59
How do you know which BBS or sauna offers extras?
Hi there,
Got a simple question here. What do you guys use to send large files over to people in China? I used yousendit.com before, but this seems to be blocked now. Also my people cannot access googledocs.
So, does anyone have an alternative to sending larger files (those that cannot be attached to an email)?
Thanks!
Frank Gong
10-26-10, 19:43
Have you tried with Skype? or the files are really big? Provided both parties has time enough, it works quite well.
Bye,
F.Gong
To send big files you can use www.wuala.com. Haven't used it myself yet but had it recommended by a buddy.
South Gate
10-27-10, 12:10
The answer to this question is.
1. Search this forum first. A lot of info here.
2. If you read Chinese, search CHinese sites and forums that also have info.
3. BBS with girls just hanging out, not cutting hair, not massaging necks, just looking out the door for business are a good bet. Go in and ask for a massage.\
4. BBS with pink lites are usually selling more than hair cuts.
5. Saunas are more difficult. You can ask at the front desk or after when you get to the large room where you rest, watch TV and get foot massage. Remember the words "quan tao anmo" and "tefu anmo". These mean sexual massage and making love. Some good signs are prices that range from 60 for a foot massage to 300 or more for the most expensive massage. Nobody pays 300 for any kind of regular massage. 300 includes some kind of sexual services.
6. My experience is that more than 50% of saunas provide extras if yo ask for them.
How do you know which BBS or sauna offers extras?
How do you know which BBS or sauna offers extras?
Just go in there and chat. If you know chinese it is better. Otherwise there will be somebody speaking few words in english.
Be aware that nobody admits to prostituition up front. Once they are comfortable with you they will ask you if you want extras.
Very difficult to find massage places with extras. Hand jobs are ok. Very difficult to get full service because by law all the rooms have see through glasses.
Hi there,
Got a simple question here. What do you guys use to send large files over to people in China? I used yousendit.com before, but this seems to be blocked now. Also my people cannot access googledocs.
So, does anyone have an alternative to sending larger files (those that cannot be attached to an email)?
Thanks!
We use Dropbox.
Have you tried with Skype? or the files are really big? Provided both parties has time enough, it works quite well.
Bye,
F.GongHi,
Thanks for the suggestion, but skype is not an option I'm afraid due to time issues.
I read from anothe rperson that dropbox is an option, will check that out.
We use Dropbox.Cool, I'll check that one out.
Thanks!
AFAIK, the "public link" option in Dropbox is now blocked in China, so the only way to share files is to share folders, which means your counterpart needs to have Dropbox as well (and most people don't). That's why I had to switch to wuala a while back.
Hi,
Thanks for the suggestion, but skype is not an option I'm afraid due to time issues.
I read from anothe rperson that dropbox is an option, will check that out.
I often transfer files of 100Mb and more over QQ!
fz
AFAIK, the "public link" option in Dropbox is now blocked in China, so the only way to share files is to share folders, which means your counterpart needs to have Dropbox as well (and most people don't). That's why I had to switch to wuala a while back.Just found this out today after many complaints, hehe. I will check if wuala is working then.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Just found this out today after many complaints, hehe. I will check if wuala is working then.
Thanks for the suggestion!Tried wuala now as well, but this also seems not to work. The other party is unable to download from there.
Paranoia is growing in CHina I'm afraid.
Member #3444
11-08-10, 13:19
Hi there,
Got a simple question here. What do you guys use to send large files over to people in China? I used yousendit.com before, but this seems to be blocked now. Also my people cannot access googledocs.
So, does anyone have an alternative to sending larger files (those that cannot be attached to an email)?
Thanks!Why can't they use google docs? It isn't blocked, I use it over here.
As an alternative, you can setup a gmail account and email the file to yourself using that account, then have the other party access the same account and download the emailed file.
The Rooster
11-15-10, 03:27
Spend a few bucks a month and set up your own domain. Activate WebDAV and you have a native, non-blocked, unlimited size folder that can be shared with anyone. And your own secure (if you use SMTPS/SSL if you want) mail account as well. You can find decent hosting for around $30/year, and it's good peace-of-mind, as well as a clean way to get around any blocks with public file sharing.
I have also noticed that a lot of teachers do not plan on staying on as teachers for the long term and have all sorts of business ideas that they plan to implement. The thing is though, that they hardly ever do anything about it, but if one has the initiative then China, unlike back home, can provide all sorts of opportunities (and this is the real reason as to why I came back here).
I PMed Pig Fat about this, but he hasn't responded to me yet. Perhaps others on the board can reply.
I lived and worked in South Korea for two years but I only met a select few foreigners that successfully started their own business there as well. Most others just made their money and got the hell out. I'm back in the U.S. for the holidays and I'm looking into China for early 2011, but I'd like to know about the business ideas that foreign teachers working in China come up with; are you talking about guys opening up their own private language academy/institute or other kinds of businesses?
Any info would be appreciated.
Shanghai Daily, Tuesday 14 December. 2010/12/16, p. 4.
Reporter: Ni Yinbin.
A NIGHTCLUB in downtown Jing'an District has been closed after it was found to be staging sex shows, police said.
Following a police raid, the Xuangong Club on Kangding Road was told to shut for six months. Fifteen people were detained for prostitution and related crimes.
The raid was part of a nationwide crackdown in nine cities in Jilin, Guangdong, Hainan, Sichuan and Shaanxi provinces, in addition to Shanghai. Around 370 people were detained across China, police said.
City police said yesterday that they will strictly follow Ministry of Public Security instructions and target prostitution in entertainment venues across the city. Officers told Shanghai Daily that they have been raiding illegal venues regularly this year.
In one recent raid, police detained 30 people in Qingpu District for prostitution and related crimes.
And more than 60 people were detained when police raided 14 foot massage parlors on Qingzhen Road in Xuhui District in August. Secret rooms for sex services were found on some premises.
Officers said some 1, 800 venues across the city, including small hair salons and massage parlors, have been punished this year for offering prostitution services. Some were fined or closed down.
Police intend to continue their crackdown by undertaking more undercover inspections. They will also cooperate closely with other bureaus to improve supervision, police said.
Officers also encouraged residents to keep providing tip-offs about businesses suspected of offering sexual services. Some 789 reports were received in the first seven months of the year.
Around 200, 000 employees of massage parlors, karaoke venues and other areas of the entertainment industry have registered with the police since 2005. This allows officers to monitor venues and prevent illegal business.
Read more:
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=457235&type=Metro#ixzz18G0QAJHu
AmericanThief
02-07-11, 19:46
Any reputable agencies in Shanghai where I can buy a visa?
Any reputable agencies in Shanghai where I can buy a visa?Seems that Dragon D, a sometimes contributor on ISG, can do that for you. Check out some of his posts in the classified ad section and send him a PM.
If that does not work send me a PM and I have another contact who got visas for me twice.
ES
AmericanThief
02-17-11, 13:05
Any websites similar to China Smack?
Out of town motorists coming to Shanghai may be in for a surprise! Whilst out of town vehicles are not allowed on the elevated highways at peak times, this has, to the best of my knowledge, been largely ignored. Since end February this year, however, cameras have been recording illegal access to the elevated highways. Last week, on leaving Shanghai, I was pulled out at the exit toll gate, and handed a wad of citations, penalties to be paid on the spot. Bank cards accepted.
I understand tunnels and bridges are not restricted, at entry ramps the attached warning sign bars access to the elevated section. A clear translation of this sign would be appreciated!
Fz
Out of town motorists coming to Shanghai may be in for a surprise! Whilst out of town vehicles are not allowed on the elevated highways at peak times, this has, to the best of my knowledge, been largely ignored. Since end February this year, however, cameras have been recording illegal access to the elevated highways. Last week, on leaving Shanghai, I was pulled out at the exit toll gate, and handed a wad of citations, penalties to be paid on the spot. Bank cards accepted.
I understand tunnels and bridges are not restricted, at entry ramps the attached warning sign bars access to the elevated section. A clear translation of this sign would be appreciated!
FzIt means vehicles registered in other provinces or cities, empty taxis and driving schools have no access during these hours, except on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays. If one sticks to the rules, such a surprise becomes significantly more unlikely.
It means vehicles registered in other provinces or cities, empty taxis and driving schools have no access during these hours, except on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays. If one sticks to the rules, such a surprise becomes significantly more unlikely.Thanks Tiger, I came into town this evening from Hangzhou Bay, unaware that access is permitted on Sunday, I had quite a time picking my way home to Lujiazui, avoiding the elevated roads!
Fz
Tomorrow I travel to my second home and my second wife in Shanghai.
Two weeks ago somebody stole my electric scooter (Carrefour bought / forever brand).
Me and my girlfriend (I met her 2008 in Dubai while mongering / see my August 2008 report in the Dubai section) liked the moto very much.
Now I want to buy a new one.
I found www.bikesshanghai.com with some decent electric scooters on offer. But this site has no contact details and for me it's kind of strange.
Do some of the Shanghai resident's have experiences with this company?
Does anyone know the location of this company?
Apart from that, I'm again (first year Jingan, second Huangpu) searching for a new apartment to rent.
Best for me would be an unfurnished one (I know, it's almost impossible to get).
Does somebody know about a new built house (Chinese style, not for expats) where I (maybe) can talk to landlords to rent out an unfurnished apartment to me?
I'm in Shanghai next week. Are there some fellow mates to go together with me to one (or two, three, four.) saunas in Shanghai in the afternoon?
And last I want to ask you, if there is any decent guy, not married, at least in his 40s who can take care (maybe marry her) for my girlfriend in the future, because now (after nearly three years) I'm at the edge of bankruptcy because I need to pay for two families (one in Europe and one in China) every month.
My girlfriend is a good looking petite girl from Sichuan. She at least is looking 10 years younger as she really is. Not too much educated but also not stupid.
She can cook, can clean the home, do all the bank and Chinese authority things and so on, and so on.
And the best: she's a maniac in bed!
If you´r really interested, please contact me by PM.
Greets from Europe.
CU next week in Shanghai (and end of next week also in Beijing)
Captain B.
If you´r really interested, please contact me by PM.Well, I am not seriously interested but I am curious. How much does you GF cost you per month?
Clickerman
05-31-11, 17:41
As of May 1 smoking is supposed to be banned in public places such as restaurants or bars. But there was some skepticism whether this ban would be enforced.
I am a non smoker in the US, but when I visit China, I usually revert to a smoker status because old habits die hard and everyone seems to be doing it. Then I quit shortly after returning home.
I am kind of hoping they are enforcing the ban.
Can anyone report on this?
Loveasiangirls
06-01-11, 01:44
As of May 1 smoking is supposed to be banned in public places such as restaurants or bars. But there was some skepticism whether this ban would be enforced.
I am a non smoker in the US, but when I visit China, I usually revert to a smoker status because old habits die hard and everyone seems to be doing it. Then I quit shortly after returning home.
I am kind of hoping they are enforcing the ban.
Can anyone report on this? It is generally not happening. I read that the fines have not even been determined.
as of yesterday we needed passports to purchase train tickets. that is true at least for high speed trains. there is a sign in the kiosk where you can buy tickets from a machine which tells you you have to see an agent. they take your passport and type in the number. on chinese they read the number from the i'd cards. and they checked the ticket and passport once on the train.
Just Seven
06-09-11, 05:33
As of May 1 smoking is supposed to be banned in public places such as restaurants or bars. But there was some skepticism whether this ban would be enforced.
I am a non smoker in the US, but when I visit China, I usually revert to a smoker status because old habits die hard and everyone seems to be doing it. Then I quit shortly after returning home.
I am kind of hoping they are enforcing the ban.
Can anyone report on this? Can confirm this. My local bar has now enforced a no smoking inside policy. It is true that the fine has not been determined but the law is on the books.
As in all things in China, what you do when the emperor is not looking.
As for passports/id card.
CRH requires ID cards to gain entry every once in a while, they have never stopped me and asked for a passport. I probably wouldn't stop even if they did.
SE Asia Joe
06-09-11, 15:32
As for passports / I'd card.
CRH requires I'd cards to gain entry every once in a while, they have never stopped me and asked for a passport. I probably wouldn't stop even if they did. Errr. NO!
They ain't going to sell you a ticket on the CRH train unless you produce your I'd Period!
New rules just started this week.
SEAJ
Confirmed!
Errr. NO!
They ain't going to sell you a ticket on the CRH train unless you produce your I'd Period!
New rules just started this week.
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
06-10-11, 07:08
Errr. NO!
They ain't going to sell you a ticket on the CRH train unless you produce your I'd Period!
New rules just started this week.
SEAJActually only on fast trains for now.
SE Asia Joe
06-10-11, 10:58
Actually only on fast trains for now.Errr. CRH trains ARE the fast trains!
SEAJ
SE Asia Joe
06-10-11, 10:59
I love China.
cool shades (http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/shades.html#search)Are you TROLLING shades on here?
Amazing!
SEAJ
Loveasiangirls
06-11-11, 10:42
Errr. CRH trains ARE the fast trains!
SEAJOK, I never heard the expression CRH. Train numbers are generally preceded by a letter indicating their category. For now C, D and G trains require I'd.
OK, I never heard the expression CRH. Train numbers are generally preceded by a letter indicating their category. For now C, D and G trains require I'd.My secretary phoned for info, and was told I could not use the ticket machine, but should use the ticket office at the station, or an agent office. I sent my gf to buy in advance using my passport at the local train ticket store, they simply used her I.D. for both her ticket and mine! Last weekend Nanjing Shanghai.
I think the locomotives for the hexiehao bullet trains have CRH painted on them, maybe it means China Railway (something? Hexie?) , or maybe it's the company who manufactures them.
Mao don't.
My secretary phoned for info, and was told I could not use the ticket machine, but should use the ticket office at the station, or an agent office. I sent my gf to buy in advance using my passport at the local train ticket store, they simply used her I'd for both her ticket and mine! Last weekend Nanjing Shanghai.
i think the locomotives for the hexiehao bullet trains have crh painted on them, maybe it means china railway (something? hexie?) , or maybe it's the company who manufactures them.
mao don't. china railway high-speed (abbrev. crh) (wikipedia)
fz
Cooler Wolf2
08-03-11, 06:12
My secretary phoned for info, and was told I could not use the ticket machine, but should use the ticket office at the station, or an agent office. I sent my gf to buy in advance using my passport at the local train ticket store, they simply used her I.D. for both her ticket and mine! Last weekend Nanjing Shanghai.Also tried our regular ticket agents with a copy of passport page and visa page (as they advised shortly after regulations came in) but was stil refused.
At Shanghai Station (not South) , you can't use ticket machines as I'd scanners on the machines only accept I'd cards, not passports. You need to walk for a few minutes to the right of the station (as you face it) to find the ticket office. There is a booth there that offers English only service. Best to use this one. Even if you do speak Chinese, there is often long lines at other booths but at the English only booth usually no line or perhaps one or two people waiting. Whole process should take no more than ten minutes, fifteen at very most. Just need to get to the station a little early. I have done this about half a dozen times now and have had no problems getting a ticket to Nanjing (and other locations) for the next train leaving.
Cheers,
CW2
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