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Duas Cervejas

03-19-07, 08:47

I have had an interesting go at my first nampa-ing experience in Japan. First off I would like to say that the women here in Tokyo are absolutely stunning.compared to the other big cities globally I've had a chance to visit. NY, Rio, London, Barcelona, etc.. I don't think any can match Tokyo in pure ratio of stunners to average-looking girls. Granted it could be the booze talking, however I think most has worn out of my system since Saturday night by now.

I have only been out two of the four nights I have been here, however have managed to pick up one girl (actually two but more on that later) to bring back to my place on Saturday and spent all night Friday with another (arranged for another meeting later this week). My best guess (es) regarding my experience so far is: a) I have been extremely lucky, or be) I need to raise my standards. I think it is probably choice (a), but I suppose the rest of the week will tell.

I started out on Friday at Propaganda. It was dead when I arrived at 9-ish, however within a few hours got pretty busy. I was solo on longer than 15 minutes before a j-girl with a friend struck up a conversation with me. It was a stroke of good luck because the place was 90% guys from the time arrived until I left. Turned out the girl who I spoke to briefly was with a larger party of 15 or so, mix of gaijin-guys and j-girls. Turns out they had all been friends for a while and were meeting up because a few gaijin who had moved back to their home countries were back in town. Bla, bla. Anyhow, soon after chatting a bit, I went back to my table, and maybe 10 minutes later another girl from the group comes up and says she went to school in my home state. That was my first stroke of good luck that evening. The second came in the form of every guy in the party being married and them going out of their way to introduce me to every girl with them. The rest of the evening involved drunk j-girls dancing with me, hugging me, sitting on my lap. I think I had a reasonable shot at getting numbers from 3 if not 4 of them, however being my first night I just concentrated on one. Ended up bouncing from there to Motown which was an even BIGGER sausage fest. Fortunately, already had the small group I was with and we didn't stay too long. Ended up breaking out with one girl and an american guy for some karaoke. We parted our ways at 4 or 5 am, however I am meeting up with her before I leave so we'll see how it goes.

I'm going to go grab some food, however will try to write about my Saturday experience later. Suffice to say, I had more good luck and Friday turned out to just be a warm-up for Saturday. Summary: Went to one of those International Parties (btw it was pretty awful), met two girls there for the rest of the evening out in Roppongi, they both crashed at my place that evening/morning.

RCA Knight

03-19-07, 16:20

Quote Duas Cervejas<<<that the women here in Tokyo are absolutely stunning.compared to the other big cities globally I've had a chance to visit. NY, Rio, London, Barcelona, etc.. I don't think any can match Tokyo in pure ratio of stunners to average-looking girls.>>>

I am also a global hunter, I also know other men's heavens like Brasil, Argentina, China, Russia, Ukraine, Thailand ect ect pretty well, but there is no place that come close to compare to the abundance of super stunners like in Tokyo and the whole Kantou areas. Everywhere you go there are tons of elegant sexy entities all over the streets.

Back in 90's, I was overwhelmed by the ratio of the super beauties in Tokyo when on a business trip, I decided to quit my high paying corporate job and luckily was refered to another big corporate job in Tokyo. Stayed over 3 years working in Hugo Boss suits and enjoyed being way over-paid and most of all enjoyed nampa.

Because of the sheer number of targets, I was getting very experienced, if get rejected just go on to next target. I was in my 20's, I enjoyed the most was street nampa in Shinjuku, Shibuya, Harajuku, and anywhere. I sometimes would hit up to 20-30 girls a day on the street, and got a ton of numbers, but most never called. I was interested on the spot on the same day action.

I got so experienced, I kind of know if I can score a particular girl or not by just talking for few minutes. When I was alone, I picked girl walking alone. If she is good potential, I try to pull her to a coffee shop or restaurant, to further try the next step, either take her home directly, or to another bar or club, usually if succeed in taking her to a bar or club, the success rate is high.

The Japanese girls are very easily "nagasareru" meaning go into the flow or tempo of the man. If you can somehow dictate the tempo, then they are quite easily "nagasareru" and ended up in the bed with you soon after you run into them. But they may forget you more sooner than you meet them. Lots of them are just out for fun and and some excitement away from job, home, boyfriend, ect.

A never failing strategy is probability, the more you attack, the more pussy you eat. The sheer number of gorgeous and potential girls will keep guys busy. Japanese guys are super hunters as well. They also use the same strategy.

Pugman

03-20-07, 13:03

Great report Duas! Sounds like Roppongi has been treating you well so far. Keep us updated!

Duas Cervejas

03-21-07, 15:37

I would have loved to have been here in the 90s working a finance job or even better late-80's. I can't imagine the amount of girls some of those wall street transplants were pulling back then.

Day 2 of my trip was interesting. I ended up going to one of those "international friends parties" over in Shibuya. For some reason I envisioned the place (I think it was the Ruby Room) was going to be a much bigger place and figured that there would be something along the lines of a 60/40 or 70/30 guy to girl ratio. In any case the place was small and once again a complete sausage fest. Even worse, the quality of girl was VERY low, and I think that would apply to most anyone's standards. Regardless, I decided to make the best of it, have a few drinks and see where the night would take me. The best I could manage in the hour or so there was to chat with a girl from Saitama who didn't speak a lick of English and my J-vocab is restricted to about 20 useful phrases so that wasn't going to fly. They started to kick us out of the room we were in to go upstairs when two girls chatted me up outside. Apparently all it took was to tell them I was staying in Roppongi and that set the course for the rest of the evening. For any guys thinking about hitting up one of these parties, my sample size is one, however I would say it is most likely not worth your 3k yen. I'll be interested to see if anyone disagrees. It seemed to be 70-80% 20-something European guys and most of the women that were there didn't look Japanese to me (for those of you going to specifically meet Japanese women). However, it could have been an off night.

Anyhow, I ended up breaking out of this place with a 29-yo girl and an older woman who had to have been mid-40's. It's what happens when you suck down 4 drinks really fast and have nothing better to do I was a little skeptical how the evening was going to turn out, however we ended up having a good time. Went to Hub (ALL gaijin watching football/soccer) and to some salsa dance club. The older of the two was pretty hilarious, within 5 minutes of walking into a place everyone was her best friend. So we all ended up crashing back at my place, I vaguely remember hearing the younger of the two say something about the older woman leaving because her angry husband was calling at 7am.

Since then the younger of the two stayed the night both Monday and Tuesday at my hotel so I haven't had the motivation I would otherwise to go out on the prowl. I have no idea how some of you veteran guys on this board manage the amount of women that I'm sure you have constant access to. Check that, my guess is that the average span of any relationship is less than a week. In any case, kudos.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Duas Cervejas

03-22-07, 02:05

I found this post on a blog to be mostly applicable to my current experience (it was addressing someone commenting that most gaijin aren't with "hot" girls):

http://amanojack.yourjapan.jp/post/22/310

"The reasons why gaijin don't usually have hot girls are several:

1) There are tons of mediocre and moderate girls that are easy pickings for us. Often they come to us. If guys go to Roppongi they can often get something "decent" without much skill. All this free pussy cuts into guys' motivation, since getting the next level up would be much harder, and without special effort against it, tons of free time is eaten up by this constant flow of mid to low-level girls.

2) Gaijin fresh off the boat often find nearly all the girls hot, or have never had an Asian girl, so --
at least for the first few times -- anyone will do. And most gaijin stay here for only a short time, hence most gaijin you see on the streets have the not-hot girls.

3) Gaijin fashion standards are by-and-large far below Japanese ones, and expecially below that of the hotter girls (most of them are obsessive about appearance). The hotter girls tend to go for more fashionable guys.

4) Hot girls are more strongly bound to staying within the group, because that is a norm of Japanese society. In almost any society the beautiful girls are going to have fewer complaints about society than the less beautiful ones, so they have the least reason of anyone to try to go around those social structures. This is disadvantageous to gaijin, since access to that in-group is built up over a long time, and the most common gaijin pickup tactics often involve breaking society rules.

5) The least hot girls are the ones are least satisfied with Japanese society (being as beauty-oriented as it is), so they are the ones who are most motivated to learn English. 'Nuff said."

Netter

04-09-07, 06:57

Pugman

04-09-07, 17:52

Of course actors, models, F1 pilots, etc are going to date hot Japanese women. In general, they would be dating hot women in ANY country they are in. That is beside the point. Besides, 90% of foreigners in Japan to not fit into any of the categories you just listed.

I absolutely do believe that, in general, the most attractive Japanese girls are not as interested in foreigners. Just go into any gaijin bar in Tokyo and tell me how many hot Japanese girls you see. Plenty of 5s, 6s, and 7s, but hardly ever an 8 or above. Then take a walk over to Shibuya and go to the all Japanese nightclubs and tell me you don't see a startling difference. If there are a lot of hot Japanese girls interested in foreigners, wouldn't it stand to reason that they might occasionally frequent places known for foreigners?

Duas Cervjas, that's an interesting web page, I'd agree to that.

But don't take everything written there for true, it's better to trust your own instincts. The page has some interesting points, but is also full of trivialities, prejudices, and errors.

As to the supposed "hot girls don't date gaijins" thing, it is bullshit (in my humble opinion). Many foreigners, e.g. actors, models, f1 pilots, etc., do not only date the hottest Japanese girls, quite a few of them are even married to one.

People who think that "hot Japanese girls" for some strange reason are less interested in foreigners that "ordinary Japanese girls" are just playing above their league and looking for an excuse for not scoring. Or maybe they belong to the category of people who always want what they can't have, and so they just classify girls as "hot" that turn them down.

The "hot" girls that turn down our poor friend Amanojack don't do it because he is a gaijin, they certainly wouldn't date a Japanese otaku, either.

PS.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanojaku

Netter

04-10-07, 03:05

Of course actors, models, F1 pilots, etc are going to date hot Japanese women. In general, they would be dating hot women in ANY country they are in. That is beside the point. Besides, 90% of foreigners in Japan to not fit into any of the categories you just listed.

Dear Pugman, I guess it is impossible to decide the question of which women are attracted to foreigners and why. Foreigners in Japan are a very inhomogenous group with regards to nationality, cultural background, race and ethnicity, social status, money, etc., and Japanese women have very different tastes, also.

I still believe that the "hot" women are no exception to the general situation and that it is comparably easier for foreigners than for most Japanese to get dates and short-term sex and fun oriented relationships. According to your numbers only 10% of foreigners in Japan are in a situation where they have a good chance of hitting the "hot" ones, but I'd guess that when it comes to Japanese, the numbers are worse, maybe only 1% would have a realistic chance.

This said, I am a foreigner here in Japan (European), but do not live in Tokyo, and my expertise on the club scene in Tokyo stems from several short visits and is rather limited.

I tried to send this reply to you as a private message, because I feel it doesn't belong really to the the main board, as the discussion becomes too specialized. But since you have disabled private messages, I impose our private discussion on the other board members, sorry.

Anyways, everybody is entitled to have his own opinion...

Best, Netter

Endowed

04-10-07, 05:33

Japan is an introduction based society. A lot of success depends on how you are introduced to these "hot women". If you are lucky enough to break into the upper level there are gaigin friendly gatherings I used to attend that would blow your doors off with the number of accessible hot women looking for a good time. They are not at the 3000 y International parties or Motown.
It is kind of like the Seinfeld episode where George bluffs, by brandishing a fake photo, that he had a model fiancé at one time and is suddenly accepted and immersed into a secret society of hot women.
Then the trick is how you take advantage of it. Similar rules apply in any society but IMHO there are many more hot women there in Japan.
I know two average gaigin who date nothing but hot women on a weekly basis but they are tuned into this full time, have jobs that allow flexible time management and have fluent Nihongo skills. If you are in Japan for one week you have to be very good looking and lucky to get to the 9+ level.

Pugman

04-10-07, 13:18

I still believe that the "hot" women are no exception to the general situation and that it is comparably easier for foreigners than for most Japanese to get dates and short-term sex and fun oriented relationships. According to your numbers only 10% of foreigners in Japan are in a situation where they have a good chance of hitting the "hot" ones, but I'd guess that when it comes to Japanese, the numbers are worse, maybe only 1% would have a realistic chance.Depends on the Japanese guy. For instance, those host boy dudes who look extremely metro and ridiculous with their tight clothes, feathered glam hair, and tans are hitting hot Shibuya girls on a consistent basis. I'm talking a few new ones a week, and these are the type of girls I've never really seen with foreigners. Hell, a lot of hostesses spend their own money to go to host clubs just to talk to these guys. IMO those guys, on average, are gonna destroy more young, hot J pussy than any foreigners will, even the good looking popular foreigners.

Of course Otaku Jguys are not gonna get any, but then again there are some Otaku foreigners who aren't gonna get anything better than a 5 here.

So basically what I'm saying is that the only foreigners that are gonna get really hot Japanese girls are either good looking and/or have good game and nihongo. Your average Joe foreigner is not gonna get anything much better than your average Jane Jgirl, but to half of these guys if she's thin and has long black hair they'll be happy as the day is long.

Sudsy

04-11-07, 04:37

Depends on the Japanese guy. For instance, those host boy dudes who look extremely metro and ridiculous with their tight clothes, feathered glam hair, and tans are hitting hot Shibuya girls on a consistent basis. I'm talking a few new ones a week, and these are the type of girls I've never really seen with foreigners. Hell, a lot of hostesses spend their own money to go to host clubs just to talk to these guys. IMO those guys, on average, are gonna destroy more young, hot J pussy than any foreigners will, even the good looking popular foreigners.

Of course Otaku Jguys are not gonna get any, but then again there are some Otaku foreigners who aren't gonna get anything better than a 5 here.

So basically what I'm saying is that the only foreigners that are gonna get really hot Japanese girls are either good looking and/or have good game and nihongo. Your average Joe foreigner is not gonna get anything much better than your average Jane Jgirl, but to half of these guys if she's thin and has long black hair they'll be happy as the day is long.

Pugman, I really have to ask - what's your issue on this?

Like you say - "if she's thin and has long black hair they'll be happy as the day is long".

As far as that guy is concerned, he's GOT an 8-9 on his arm, and he's happy about it. Why should anyone else's catch have to measure up to your standards?

What you seem to miss is that outside Roppongi and a select number of bars, you're unlikely to find a woman who speaks English. Of COURSE the local guys are going to have an advantage in that situation - but a foreign guy who speaks a modicum of Japanese can do perfectly well.

The only thing the hosts are giving them is deferential treatment, which they don't normally get from men, and find somewhat intoxicating. Most Westerners have that one down - it's how we were (at least those of us over 30) to treat women in the first place.

About the only thing of value in this topic thus far is the very real fact that if you want to be successful, either in the hobby or in nampa, you need to learn how to speak Japanese.

Nino

04-11-07, 17:13

Pugman, I really have to ask - what's your issue on this?

Me too. Also I wonder if we have definition problem about "hot"? I wonder if Pugman thinks only Shibuya-type girls are hot.
I certainly know sub-standard looking expats who have no problem getting 10`s.
Some Japanese language skills and understanding of how to play the game is necessary of course.

Homer69

04-11-07, 17:37

Everything is in the eye of the beholder. A really hot chick in any country is going to most likely be high maintenance. She gets all the attention and consistently goes to the highest bidder so if that's what you want, so be it. When she takes her clothes off, washes the makeup off and wakes up in the morning with bad breath, she's not quite so hot as she was the night before when she was at the club. It's very rare that you find a truly hot one who doesn't need the makeup, hair styling, clothes and packaging to make her hot. Most are rather plain and average looking when you take that away. Additionally, you can take a rather plain looking chick, do a professional make over and you end of with a hot looking one. Look close at some of these hot ones and you'll often see facial skin blemishes that are covered carefully by makeup (something that really cannot be avoided if she had chronic acne when she was a teen). So, unless you're looking for a trophy to carry around on your arm, their mind/head, behavior and skills in bed are going to be far more important in the long run. Most of us have had experiences with dynamite-looking chicks who were dead fish when horizontal. Absolutely no skills, no feeling and really just poor performers with their clothes off. You look at them and just can't figure it out. My friends have all accounted stories of chicks like this.

A few years ago, I had this tremendous crush on Fujiwara Norika. She's absolutely stunningly beautiful, the complete package, a talented actress and her face was plastered everywhere here in Japan. I think 100% of guys who are straight would categorize her as super-hot, over the top hot. My friends in Japan would tell me you don't want a girlfriend or wife like her. She's nothing but trouble and grief. They explained that when you have one that is that hot, there are so many guys going after her that it's only a matter of time before she breaks your heart and moves on. They were speaking theoretically, of course, but I understood where they were coming from.

Depends on the Japanese guy. For instance, those host boy dudes who look extremely metro and ridiculous with their tight clothes, feathered glam hair, and tans are hitting hot Shibuya girls on a consistent basis. I'm talking a few new ones a week, and these are the type of girls I've never really seen with foreigners. Hell, a lot of hostesses spend their own money to go to host clubs just to talk to these guys. IMO those guys, on average, are gonna destroy more young, hot J pussy than any foreigners will, even the good looking popular foreigners.

Of course Otaku Jguys are not gonna get any, but then again there are some Otaku foreigners who aren't gonna get anything better than a 5 here.

So basically what I'm saying is that the only foreigners that are gonna get really hot Japanese girls are either good looking and/or have good game and nihongo. Your average Joe foreigner is not gonna get anything much better than your average Jane Jgirl, but to half of these guys if she's thin and has long black hair they'll be happy as the day is long.

Pugman

04-12-07, 14:56

I don't have any issue with it other than to state what I see walking around Tokyo everyday. I'm only commenting on how the hot Japanese girls that are generally considered the most attractive, by Japanese standards, are the most difficult to get. But that is basically a redundant statement. Still, a stereotype exists that Japan is some land where any westerner can land and get prime tail, regardless of his look or disposition. I hear this from gaijin all the time, then they show me pictures of these great beauties that are being thrown at them and I try to be kind.

I guess if I have any issue it is to simply address the stereotype that hot Japanese girls throw themselves at foreigners. Roppongi girls throw themselves at foreigners, generally speaking they are not hot. The hot ones over here (and again when i say hot, I mean by local standards) take just as much effort to get (and sometimes more) than hot girls back home. That is point.

Pugman, I really have to ask - what's your issue on this?

Like you say - "if she's thin and has long black hair they'll be happy as the day is long".

As far as that guy is concerned, he's GOT an 8-9 on his arm, and he's happy about it. Why should anyone else's catch have to measure up to your standards?

What you seem to miss is that outside Roppongi and a select number of bars, you're unlikely to find a woman who speaks English. Of COURSE the local guys are going to have an advantage in that situation - but a foreign guy who speaks a modicum of Japanese can do perfectly well.

The only thing the hosts are giving them is deferential treatment, which they don't normally get from men, and find somewhat intoxicating. Most Westerners have that one down - it's how we were (at least those of us over 30) to treat women in the first place.

About the only thing of value in this topic thus far is the very real fact that if you want to be successful, either in the hobby or in nampa, you need to learn how to speak Japanese.

Nino

04-13-07, 08:12

Still, a stereotype exists that Japan is some land where any westerner can land and get prime tail, regardless of his look or disposition.

That is a stupid stereotype. And your generalization about Westerner not being able to get what you call "hot" women is just as stupid. The longer you live in Japan, the more you`ll get tired of these generalizations. Can we please bury this silly thread? Thanks.

Sudsy

04-14-07, 11:53

Homer69

04-15-07, 05:22

What my Japanese friends and co-workers consider hot is not what I consider hot. Their definition is usually too skinny, tolerant of bad teeth, too cutesy and pretending to be younger than they are, extremely critical of any face shape except for the classic "round" face, requiring her too be very young and of course tolerant of being a heavy smoke and/or heavy drinker.

Frankly, a drunk, skinny chick that smokes like a chimney is simply not "hot" in my preference.

I don't have any issue with it other than to state what I see walking around Tokyo everyday. I'm only commenting on how the hot Japanese girls that are generally considered the most attractive, by Japanese standards, are the most difficult to get. But that is basically a redundant statement. Still, a stereotype exists that Japan is some land where any westerner can land and get prime tail, regardless of his look or disposition. I hear this from gaijin all the time, then they show me pictures of these great beauties that are being thrown at them and I try to be kind.

I guess if I have any issue it is to simply address the stereotype that hot Japanese girls throw themselves at foreigners. Roppongi girls throw themselves at foreigners, generally speaking they are not hot. The hot ones over here (and again when i say hot, I mean by local standards) take just as much effort to get (and sometimes more) than hot girls back home. That is point.

Endowed

04-15-07, 07:44

See attached Manga photo I found years ago, throwing this one into the discussion for humor value.

Pugman

04-15-07, 16:51

That is a stupid stereotype. And your generalization about Westerner not being able to get what you call "hot" women is just as stupid. The longer you live in Japan, the more you`ll get tired of these generalizations. Can we please bury this silly thread? Thanks.I've been in Japan long enough (I'm not from Australia) and seen enough foreigner/Japanese girl couples to make this observation. That is all it is. I never said that foreigners CAN'T get hot women, but it is still rare. Good looking foreigners with good game can get hot women just like they could in ANY country. Average Joe foreigners with average game have to get lucky to get hot women, just like in ANY country. What is so outrageous about that?

BTW, why are half you guys acting like I personally assaulted the girls you date? Hit a little too close to home? If you were dating hot women then you wouldn't care about my comment as it wouldn't relate to you. In fact, it should make you feel all that better about yourself that you were getting with great looking girls and rising above the common perception of what an averrage gaijin manages to date.

As for the girls I've dated, my first year here was a steady diet of Roppongi gaijin hunters (thus all 6s and a few 7s). I worked on my Nihongo, branched out, and obviously moved on to better things. I'm not saying I'm doing better or worse than anyone else, but one thing I've learned is to not settle like I did when I first came here.

BigDudegso

04-16-07, 01:29

Oh no not this argument again. You (pugman) need to come up with something new and refreshing. How many times have we seen this:

Guys bragging about the women they pull in Japan

Another guy says that the ones they pull are not stunners

Another guy says that seasoned veterans with nihongo can get hot women

Another guy lashes out and says that only host-looking guys can get hot women

To tell you the truth, I wouldnt want those emaciated-looking Louis Vuitton toting hoes anyway. And they all look the same with the makeup off when you see them in bed the next day anyway.

When are these boring arguments gonna end?

Two by Four

04-16-07, 16:25

I had hot sex tonight with my little J-girl lover. In my mind she is hot. That's all that matters. The bard said it best when he spoke of beauty.

2X4
(who secretly has a fetish for vapid emasciated Louis Vuitton toting drones)

Endowed, I know the CEO of the company that publishes the magazine that the Charisma Man strip ran in.

Endowed

04-16-07, 21:50

Big Dude
This is the Nampa forum, This is what we talk about here
We never get tired of it.
What qualifies girls hot and what turns them on, a never ending topic of discussion.

Sailing

04-16-07, 22:15

As Endowed seems to mention it is not whether you think yours is hot and others are not, it is what tips can you give for those with neither hot or cold to find someone to service their immediate needs. Let's try to keep it on that vein. If you don't think some's babe is a babe, well fine. Find what is right for you and if you are feeling generous let others know what worked to find that babe. Come on guys let's get back on track here.

Pugman

04-17-07, 12:51

Oh no not this argument again. You (pugman) need to come up with something new and refreshing. How many times have we seen this:
In case you didn't notice, prior to the post that ended up sparking this little debate, this nampa forum was basically dead. No one was posting anything. Not stories, not types of J-girls, nothing. Any discussion is better than none, IMO. If anything this can at least get some posters to contribute their successes and opinions on how to get different types of Jgirls (Shibuya girls, hostesses, college girls, OLs etc). Sorry if this debate ruined the silence in here.

Partytom

04-22-07, 11:24

In case you didn't notice, prior to the post that ended up sparking this little debate, this nampa forum was basically dead. No one was posting anything. Not stories, not types of J-girls, nothing. Any discussion is better than none, IMO. If anything this can at least get some posters to contribute their successes and opinions on how to get different types of Jgirls (Shibuya girls, hostesses, college girls, OLs etc). Sorry if this debate ruined the silence in here.Well, I wanna give this forum some boost with a question I would like to ask.

I'm from Germany (just for the cause that someone spots some bad English grammar in here, haha), and 30 years, but 31 when I set my feet on Japanese ground in 2 months.

I'm starting my trip with staying in Tokyo for 5 days and during that time I'm not just out for historic sightseeing, but want to gain some intimate sights into Japanese women as well.

To avoid any misunderstanding, I'm not looking for any encounters with hostesses and prostitutes but for a nice woman who wants to meet gaijin for her private reasons only (whatever that will be...;).

So my "perfect date" (and not just mine, I know) would look like this that I'm going to a bar, checking who's there, finding the woman I would like to invite for a drink, having nice conversation...well, hopefully that nicely so that afterwards we would decide to have a walk to my hotel room (which actually looks more than a shoe box) or a rabu hoteru (love hotel).

The problem is that my Japanese language skills are nothing special (means the level of my knowledge is somewhere between very low and basic), so of course I wanna find a bar where the women in their 20ies and 30ies (even up to 40) did well with their English homework (to a certain degree), because in my opinion a good chatting beforehand is part of the lovely game.

So I could need some advices about good bars located in Tokyo which can fulfill my desires at best. I just heard about "Heartland". Seems to be a good one, isn't it?
Btw, what day/day time do you recommend to enter?

Partytom

Pugman

04-23-07, 04:48

Sudsy

04-23-07, 08:27

Partytom

04-23-07, 18:25

Yeah Heartland would be your best bet. If you want to slum it check out Motown (apparently some members of this board have been managed to pull 3p from that place). Muse in Nishi Azabu would also serve your purposes.

As for best nights, Friday and Saturday are obviously the busiest (but also most packed with other foreign guys on the hunt). Thursday is more manageable, IMOI saw pictures showing the furnishing of "Heartland" and it was sympathy at first sight. Definitely worth more than just one visit your recommendation tells it.

3p in Motown? You mean, together with two Asian women? In Motown? Yeah, I really am positively surprised about that, because I read about Motown that it is something like a "gaijin bastion", means overcrowded (! ) with foreigners. So some members here managed it to get a Japanese 3p there? Holy shit, my congratulations!

Well, regarding that I think that every single should have made group sex experience at least once in his lifetime before getting married.

Muse is that famous discotheque in Roppongi Hills, right? Copied that on my list, thanks.

Another good one that's often overlooked is Castillos - http://www.castillo-tokyo.com/index.html.

Pugman is right - Thursdays are often an excellent night to pull. Even if you don't get someone back to your hotel, you can often set up a date or two for the weekend.Hey, there seems to be a nice gaijin community around Tokyo when watching the pics of Castillo's.

Yes, I guess setting up a date for the weekend is also more conveniant, because most of the ladies will probably go to work the next day. Except for Saturday and Sunday. Big time then.

Partytom

Pugman

04-24-07, 12:58

3p in Motown? You mean, together with two Asian women? In Motown? Yeah, I really am positively surprised about that, because I read about Motown that it is something like a "gaijin bastion", means overcrowded (! ) with foreigners. So some members here managed it to get a Japanese 3p there? Holy shit, my congratulations!

Well, regarding that I think that every single should have made group sex experience at least once in his lifetime before getting married.Little Jared was the one who scored a 3p in Motown with a couple of young Jchicks. Don't ask me how he did it, as I've only been in there a few times but from what I saw it was a total sausage fest plus full of trannys. He also managed to pull two girls off the street in Kabukicho into a hotel for a 3p in the middle of the day. Nothing remotely close to either of those situations has ever happened to me since I've been in Japan. Maybe it's because I've never been bold enough to flat out ask two girls to go to a hotel with me. Might be easier than we think, who knows.

Partytom

04-25-07, 12:55

Little Jared was the one who scored a 3p in Motown with a couple of young Jchicks. Don't ask me how he did it, as I've only been in there a few times but from what I saw it was a total sausage fest plus full of trannys. He also managed to pull two girls off the street in Kabukicho into a hotel for a 3p in the middle of the day. Nothing remotely close to either of those situations has ever happened to me since I've been in Japan. Maybe it's because I've never been bold enough to flat out ask two girls to go to a hotel with me. Might be easier than we think, who knows.Little Jared's example shows again that boldness sometimes(!) wins. It's interesting to see how he succeeds with this method in Japan while in Germany (well, I can just speak for my country) it would be a harder competition for sure. Could it be that Japanese girls are unsatisfied with their native guys and/or should it be like that we foreigners represent a rare species feeling like trophies to them?
Anyway, I think it won't be that easy to catch a 2p or 3p from the street if at least you don't play the game with a little bit charme combined with an easygoing attitude. So if the girls feel your positive vibrations, yes, it could be easier than we think.

Well, I'll try my luck with my words, they are my lovely weapon, so let's see.

BigDudegso

04-26-07, 02:10

Psssst. (hey Partytom) Sometimes, like, people, like, lie on the internet and make up stories to sound cool, but the operative word in that sentence is sometimes.

Pugman

04-26-07, 03:35

Little Jared's example shows again that boldness sometimes(!) wins. It's interesting to see how he succeeds with this method in Japan while in Germany (well, I can just speak for my country) it would be a harder competition for sure. Could it be that Japanese girls are unsatisfied with their native guys and/or should it be like that we foreigners represent a rare species feeling like trophies to them?

Anyway, I think it won't be that easy to catch a 2p or 3p from the street if at least you don't play the game with a little bit charme combined with an easygoing attitude. So if the girls feel your positive vibrations, yes, it could be easier than we think.

Well, I'll try my luck with my words, they are my lovely weapon, so let's see.I agree that the foreign aspect definately plays a role in it. I'm sure it would be much more difficult for a Japanese dude to walk down the street and pull two girls into a hotel. Perhaps they are just curious to experience a foreinger. Perhaps foreigners are more aggressive and they just go with the flow. Whatever it is, it's out there but it's something most of us have never pulled off. Still good to keep that hope alive.

Partytom

04-26-07, 11:21

I agree that the foreign aspect definately plays a role in it. I'm sure it would be much more difficult for a Japanese dude to walk down the street and pull two girls into a hotel. Perhaps they are just curious to experience a foreinger. Perhaps foreigners are more aggressive and they just go with the flow. Whatever it is, it's out there but it's something most of us have never pulled off. Still good to keep that hope alive.Imo it depends a lot on how you appear on the scene, no matter if you're a foreigner or not. Coming from another country doesn't mean you automatically have 'access all areas'. Though I've heard that Japan is a paradise full of women for rather ugly foreigners I don't know if I can believe that hype. Fortunately I don't have to, too. What's even more important is the right attitude, how to approach a woman. Also in Japan. Even if it's easier for us to match there.

Another question I'm wondering about if it actually is a good thing that two girls are ready to give a guy the time of his life after just having a little chit-chat on the street. Isn't that simply...superficial? Maybe the moral holds many of us back to try our luck on the open street...but as we are men there are moments when we possibly don't care about that much.

Psssst. (hey Partytom) Sometimes, like, people, like, lie on the internet and make up stories to sound cool, but the operative word in that sentence is sometimes.Yeah, I heard of something like that (hey, why do I feel irony when writing this?. No offense). I just think as long as it sounds plausible there's always the possibility of truth. All the things we were talking about here could have happened in reality. Or did someone claim that he was watching little green people walking on Mars?

Partytom

04-26-07, 11:45

I agree that the foreign aspect definately plays a role in it. I'm sure it would be much more difficult for a Japanese dude to walk down the street and pull two girls into a hotel. Perhaps they are just curious to experience a foreinger. Perhaps foreigners are more aggressive and they just go with the flow. Whatever it is, it's out there but it's something most of us have never pulled off. Still good to keep that hope alive.Imo it depends a lot on how you appear on the scene, no matter if you're a foreigner or not. Coming from another country doesn't mean you automatically have 'access all areas'. Though I've heard that Japan is a paradise full of women for rather ugly foreigners I don't know if I can believe that hype. Fortunately I don't have to, too. What's even more important is the right attitude, how to approach a woman. Also in Japan. Even if it's easier for us to match there.

Another question I'm wondering about if it actually is a good thing that two girls are ready to give a guy the time of his life after just having a little chit-chat on the street. Isn't that simply. Superficial? Maybe the moral holds many of us back to try our luck on the open street. But as we are men there are moments when we possibly don't care about that much.

Psssst. (hey Partytom) Sometimes, like, people, like, lie on the internet and make up stories to sound cool, but the operative word in that sentence is sometimes.Yeah, I heard of something like that (hey, why do I feel irony when writing this?. No offense). I just think as long as it sounds plausible there's always the possibility of truth. All the things we were talking about here could have happened in reality. Or did someone claim that he was watching little green people walking on Mars?

Pugman

04-28-07, 11:49

I agree with all that. You still need to have decent social skills and keep up your appearance if you want to date good looking women here. You see the odd fugly gaijijn with a hot Jgirl, but that is pretty rare. There are enough gaijin in Tokyo now that every gaijin doesn't resemble a movie to most Japanese.

As for whether these 3ps actually can happen, I can only choose to believe what I read on here. I don't personally know anyone who has pulled two girls from a club and had sex with them, but I'm sure it happens and I don't see the point in lying about to people you'll never even meet.

Imo it depends a lot on how you appear on the scene, no matter if you're a foreigner or not. Coming from another country doesn't mean you automatically have 'access all areas'. Though I've heard that Japan is a paradise full of women for rather ugly foreigners I don't know if I can believe that hype. Fortunately I don't have to, too. What's even more important is the right attitude, how to approach a woman. Also in Japan. Even if it's easier for us to match there.

Another question I'm wondering about if it actually is a good thing that two girls are ready to give a guy the time of his life after just having a little chit-chat on the street. Isn't that simply. Superficial? Maybe the moral holds many of us back to try our luck on the open street. But as we are men there are moments when we possibly don't care about that much.

Yeah, I heard of something like that (hey, why do I feel irony when writing this?. No offense). I just think as long as it sounds plausible there's always the possibility of truth. All the things we were talking about here could have happened in reality. Or did someone claim that he was watching little green people walking on Mars?

Partytom

05-12-07, 21:02

Hehe, I'm in the mood for a stupid question: Why if Pugman and me aren't discussing is the Nampa forum dead actually? This forum was quite busy when I look back in time. Would like to hear about your ideas why it is so sleepy here in these days.

Two by Four

05-13-07, 10:57

Reason I haven't been online lately is b/c I have been busy getting busy. Have a date in an hour actually....There is a lot of good advice on this list if you look in the archives Also fast seduction has some good tips too, especially the bit about NLP. At this point I practice catch and release Nampa quite a bit.....
2X4

Hehe, I'm in the mood for a stupid question: Why if Pugman and me aren't discussing is the Nampa forum dead actually? This forum was quite busy when I look back in time. Would like to hear about your ideas why it is so sleepy here in these days.

Brussel

05-13-07, 15:12

Hi Guys,

I have been reading the nampa section with a lot of interest. But there is one thing that I really would like to stress out.

I wonder if some are aware of the damage that they do.

I was in Heartland some weeks ago on a Saturday night with my girlfriend. While we where talking with some friends she was almost constantly attacked from guys that we do not know. It ended up with us leaving and she telling me that she never wanted to return to this place again!

No wonder after some guys touching her, some not understanding her "No", and me having to interfear to set her free.

Can you imagine having your arm around your girlfrind's waist and sudenly feeling another hand!

I felt ashamed to be be a white guy as all these things hapened with some white guys in about one hour time.

Maybe some advices to some people.

1. When you can clearly see that a lady is with a guy, than let her be. What are you thinking to score anyway.

2. If you are not sure that they are a couple than start talking to them, but keep a lower profile. Do not stare the girl out of her clothing and give some atention to the guy as well.

3. Keep your hands off her hips, waist, shoulders etc.. it isnot apreciated at all.

4. NO is the opposite of yes and "I am sorry, but I am not interested" should be pretty clear to everyone.

5. Nampa is about atrackting someone to you, not about scaring them away. I think that a smile works better

Any comments are always welcome.

Partytom

05-14-07, 08:54

Hi there Brussel,

Your story that happenend to you and your girlfriend sounds alarming in my ears. I wonder if such guys are able to watch their face in the mirror without remorse the next morning.

Though I wasn't in Japan before (but only 2 months left), I guess that some (rare?) people come to that country with the wrong expectations thinking of it as a sex paradise where every woman on the street can be seen as meat who's free to catch. But it's even more sad if girls who have boyfriends with them are possible to get bothered shamelessly like by those white guys you told about, well...it's an absolute no-go.

You're right with asking "what did those guys actually think?" Even if it couldn't be seen at first that she is your girlfriend, how could they (as they were strangers) touch her like that out of a sudden? (as far as I can assess the situation from here it doesn't seem to me those people were that drunk...but even then there are things in this world someone definitely shouldn't do).

Also, she was surrounded by a group of friends, not just by girls but by at least one man with you as her boyfriend who I think couldn't be overlooked if those guys had watched the scene a bit better.

If I would make contact to a group of people I don't know at a bar, first I would give a friendly "hello" to the round, asking if "it is okay to sit down for a some chatting". So if I get invited to have a seat, I move on with good manners my parents, friends, relatives and life teached me. If I would like to make closer contact to a woman within that friends' round then by that time I would know if she is in relationship with someone and if having my arm around her is allowed. If I don't get any signals from her that she's free and interested to receive more from me, then I won't go any further.

Your advices are fabulous and should be a credo for any man who's dating and wants to give back the same kind of respect he receives by the woman.

Respect isn't a single-sided thing.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Soujourn

05-15-07, 04:49

Though, being at Heartland already has its predisposed notions that pretty much everyone is fair game. So, I really wouldn't recommend it as a 'date place' to take your girl friend or just might find me slipping her a chocolate or two under the table. I've seen all approaches in that place and it never fails to amuse or surprise me what works. Soft approaches, intellect approaches, comedy approaches, rude approaches, etc etc ... I've seen guys come in with their girlfriends and leave alone, or with a new girlfriend. Seen wives dumped, duped and THEM leaving with new guys! (Or girls). I've been on both sides of the game, stinger and stung so bad it hurts for a week. That's Heartland - play it like it lays. If you want a safe place to take your gf, then I'd suggest Krispey Kreme on a Sunday morning about 10am.

To paraphrase your list: (no malice or aggression intended - just pure nampa)

1. When you can clearly see that a lady is with a guy, than let her be. What are you thinking to score anyway. <S> Women with men are the best targets. They dont need to be split away from their nosy gf and they may be challenged by another male approaching them. Also, the guy is probably boring them silly and they are just waiting for a new 'prince'.

2. If you are not sure that they are a couple than start talking to them, but keep a lower profile. Do not stare the girl out of her clothing and give some atention to the guy as well. <S> Absolutely. Start with the man and drive her attention away from him. Get her bored - since she is with him first, she'll leave him first. Then step back in with a 'rescue'. Or, if they are REALLY a couple, invite them to a new place, like a happening bar. Now you get a chance to bang her in front of him!

3. Keep your hands off her hips, waist, shoulders etc.. it isnot apreciated at all. <S> Actually it is. Women (especially Japanese) love to be complimented about their hands and body and enjoy a neck massage too! One of the fastest ways to gauge acceptance is by commenting her nails then holding her hands for a bit. Try some ad-hoc fortune reading like on the streets. Next thing you know, you can lead her away - to your cab!

4. NO is the opposite of yes and "I am sorry, but I am not interested" should be pretty clear to everyone. <S> ANY response is a positive response. It's just how YOU play it. Especially in Japan. Nothing is directly NO or YES - just how you manage the intention.

5. Nampa is about atrackting someone to you, not about scaring them away. I think that a smile works better. <S> Smiles are good. But have you watched how Japanese play? Chasing is a definite part of the game. Get the girl's adrenaline up a little - she wants a strong man to come after her. Not a pussy man waiting in the corner with a warm drink wishing someone would come and talk to him.

My 2Yen.

Partytom

05-16-07, 15:10

@Soujourn: Sure, you can play the games you like, but for me as soon as someone lags behind (and may it be the ex-lover who was dropped by the girl just a few moments ago), it is not ~ and I emphasize that ~ not funny anymore as I don't want to see the guy whining in front of me because I was acting respectless. In my opinion I have no right to disturb two lovers who maybe just have a bad day, one of these sick days when the girl might be more open minded than ususal for a one-night-stand she probably is regretting afterwards.

No matter if the boy+girl are friends or complete strangers to me, it doesn't cross my mind to interfere their relationship to see if I have a chance to receive her sympathy instead. As long as they still can be seen as a couple and haven't broken up yet, it is their own business, not mine and if should be cleared up between just the two of them.

What's surprising me the most is that (after I listened to your Heartland report) it seems some guys who are getting dumped or getting interfered by other guys, don't seem to do much against that, they (as the victims) let it happen, more or less. (Correct me if I am wrong).

I don't know how it works in Japan, but in the country where I'm coming from, for usual you better not try it to pinch a (young) guy's girlfriend without being able to bear a view by her boy that looks like it could kill. Sure, while I can't speak for every German guy, I know that these kind of shameless actions won't be tolerated by many ones. But that's not just a German attitude I think, many men in this world defend their girlfriends if it's needed, it is simply self-evident.

Gentlemen, nobody may grab your girlfriend or your date you are together with, that's an iron rule for everyone. So if somebody (males for usual) plays against these rules then teach him that it it is dangerous to play with the fire as he could burn. Burn with words at first, since, of course, violence always is the last(!) option. On the other hand some guys only understand this kind of language, as sad as it is. But you shouldn't act like an angry wannabe John Rambo if your mental power (because physical power (if you have it) doesn't work without the inner 'bite') isn't strong enough for that. As mentioned, defending yourself and your girl with words works fine as well and it is even the better option if you own an eloquent attitude.

But whatever you do, never let your girls leave you as shabby like that, don't let your pride getting hurted by shameless kids who (try to) take over your girlfriends.

Love & fight!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Soujourn

05-17-07, 04:52

Partydom, while I certainly respect your chivalry, this forum is about how and where to pick up women for sex. Unless, I've misunderstood it completely. And, nampa, in particular, is how to do that efficiently - especially in Japan. If someone gets burnt because they step over the imaginary line drawn by a jealous or possessive male - so be it. Part of learning is getting burnt so you know where the limits are. The key point I'm trying to make is that the 'line' may be much narrower than you think. And someone skilled in nampa will be able to spot the weakness in the line.

Sure, I could go after the fugly OL sitting splay legged on the wall-of-nampa couch with a two-thirds empty drink and 10min before last train pumpkin look. But why take the candy from the baby?

I've seen my 'friends' paying more than ichi-man wooing the hell out of a woman, being super respectful and playing the art of chivalry to its finest degree. Including 'protecting' her against seemingly rude, obnoxious chikans. Then BAM - in he comes, Mr. "drunk-as-a-salaryman-on-goldenweek", pinches her ass, shares a shot , and WHAM, out the door they go! Haha! I've seen it many times , my friend! Especially at Heartland. (Location, Location, Location)

The guys who don't do anything about the interlopers are generally as dumbfounded as the girl is surprised at getting picked up. There is no 'iron rule' about grabbing another guy's woman. Especially in Japan. Now you won't likely find me in Arkansas chatting up Daisy May with Buford and his stick right next to her -- but that's a strategic decision, not a moral one.

Again, this is nampa, not sunday school.

Partytom

05-17-07, 13:12

I agree that Nampa is about the way to approach women, hunting for the ultimate goal to join hot days & nights with them. Well, that's a great thing if everybody's fine with that but as mentioned there should be an unwritten rule of not pinching somebody's date. You told by yourself that it hurts more than a douzens of killer bees if another guy takes over your girl, so why you wanna let someone else feel that pain who is not responsible at all for your hurtful experience you made before? You wanna have some fun, but on the other hand you don't care about the mental damage you're doing to third parties?

Sure, it can't be explained alone with the idea that it is all men's' fault if males practice the 'nasty way of Nampa'. Actually it's unbelievable to see that there are not just a few Japanese women who seem to find it attractive if a guy gets on the plan with unstylish boldness. Is this powerful? Your 'drunk-as-a-salaryman' example leaves a bad light on these women, and I am wondering how their psyche is working. I mean, if I imagine to be in a smooth conversation with a Japanese girl for some good time there should be no place for another man anymore, at least not for that evening or night. Also I never made this experience before that a girl dropped me like that (no guy tried to interfere as well), and I have enough confidence to believe it doesn't happen to me. Maybe Tokyo will teach me a new lesson? Anyway, I won't give up without had had a hard verbal competition.

But under these circumstances you described I wonder that Heartland can still be found on the landmap. As there are many foreigners who enter this place, I am surprised that after some ugly Nampa action the one or other piece of glass wasn't broken before (or was it?), ready to fly through the room.

Taking away another guy's woman, what the heck you think you are doing? Talking about humanly connections it is the baddest of the bad. If everybody would practice the nasty way of Nampa with absolutely no respect and moral inside, this world would turn into an even uglier place it already is at many places. In such a world it doesn't matter anymore if anybody gets cheated, it doesn't matter anymore if a baby crys for his father using five names, because the mother is changing men like her weekly Sunday evening meal, and it doesn't matter anymore that love is believed to be a feeling from acient times as the most wonderful experience two people can share, praise and cherish. May I ask you, Soujourn, what a relationship in love between two people does mean to you?

To avoid misunderstandings, I am a ladies' man when I am single, but once I fall in love the game is getting played with different rules. With "no unnecessary hurtings within a realtionship" as the most important rule (so it was in the past and I will carry on with that).

Brussel

05-18-07, 00:02

Hi guy's,

When I wrote my report here below "don't kill" I did not mean to open a discussion, but maybe in the end it is good that this takes place.

The last few years I did build up some experience with Japanese girls and ladys, both as girlfriends or one-night-stands. Next to that I also have a lot of friends (no sex-related) that hapen to be Japanese girls.

When they talk about foreign man they oftenfavor us because in general se treat them better, give them more attention, take care for their needs and interests, see them as equal. Andmany have a pure fysical attraction to caucasian or black man.
But on the negative side they often have some remarks as well, Do youreally think that they all like it when you try to get them in your bed on first sight?

Sorry Soujourn, I really do apriciate your comments but can not agree with them at all.

[QUOTE=Soujourn]Though, being at Heartland already has its predisposed notions that pretty much everyone is fair game. So, I really wouldn't recommend it as a 'date place' to take your girl friend or just might find me slipping her a chocolate or two under the table. I've seen all approaches in that place and it never fails to amuse or surprise me what works. Soft approaches, intellect approaches, comedy approaches, rude approaches, etc etc ... I've seen guys come in with their girlfriends and leave alone, or with a new girlfriend. Seen wives dumped, duped and THEM leaving with new guys! (Or girls). I've been on both sides of the game, stinger and stung so bad it hurts for a week. That's Heartland - play it like it lays. If you want a safe place to take your gf, then I'd suggest Krispey Kreme on a Sunday morning about 10am.

To paraphrase your list: (no malice or aggression intended - just pure nampa)

1. When you can clearly see that a lady is with a guy, than let her be. What are you thinking to score anyway. <S> Women with men are the best targets. They dont need to be split away from their nosy gf and they may be challenged by another male approaching them. Also, the guy is probably boring them silly and they are just waiting for a new 'prince'.

(Brussel) Not very girl is being bored silly by her boyfriend, I do not agree opun this at all.

2. If you are not sure that they are a couple than start talking to them, but keep a lower profile. Do not stare the girl out of her clothing and give some atention to the guy as well. <S> Absolutely. Start with the man and drive her attention away from him. Get her bored - since she is with him first, she'll leave him first. Then step back in with a 'rescue'. Or, if they are REALLY a couple, invite them to a new place, like a happening bar. Now you get a chance to bang her in front of him!

(Brussels) You can try that, but it will be up to the couple to allow you to join them to a happening bar. I do not give you that much chance

3. Keep your hands off her hips, waist, shoulders etc.. it isnot apreciated at all. <S> Actually it is. Women (especially Japanese) love to be complimented about their hands and body and enjoy a neck massage too! One of the fastest ways to gauge acceptance is by commenting her nails then holding her hands for a bit. Try some ad-hoc fortune reading like on the streets. Next thing you know, you can lead her away - to your cab!

(Brussels) There is a big diference between giving a compliment about her hands or just putting your hand on her but (as happened tomy girlfriend). Yes Japanese girls love neck massages and love compliments (as they do not get that often from Japanese man), but they do not want that from just any man that they do not know. More than Western girls they feel easily uncomftebul about these things. You attract one but scare 3 away. They are not stupid and feel your intentions very well, they live in a high context society where words do not need to be spoken to understand what someone is doing.

4. NO is the opposite of yes and "I am sorry, but I am not interested" should be pretty clear to everyone. <S> ANY response is a positive response. It's just how YOU play it. Especially in Japan. Nothing is directly NO or YES - just how you manage the intention.

(Brussels) NOT every response is a positive response. That is something that is said by door-to-door salesmen. There is a huge difference between a "Japanese modest/shy" no and the NO that means "keep your f**king fingers from my body" Think about that once.

5. Nampa is about atrackting someone to you, not about scaring them away. I think that a smile works better. <S> Smiles are good. But have you watched how Japanese play? Chasing is a definite part of the game. Get the girl's adrenaline up a little - she wants a strong man to come after her. Not a pussy man waiting in the corner with a warm drink wishing someone would come and talk to him.

(Brussels) Again you put things in extreme ways. I understand very well what you mean and I do not think that sitting in corner is what you should do, but getting her adrenaline up in anger will not help you either.

Anyway the finall outcome that evening in Heartland was that they Guy where I needed to to make my point was asked to leave the place by the security. As you know that does not happen so much in Heartland. Management complained about some Western men being agressive towards the lady's (maybehere you find the reason why 5 years ago there whas a bettergirl/boy ratio than today.

I have seen wifes (and husbands) dumped all aver the world, not only in Heartland. And heartland is not an excuse to feel free to be agressive towards girls or a couple. And foir your information Sundaymorning we are in bed doing other things than visiting Krispey Kreme :-)
No hard feelings though

Soujourn

05-18-07, 04:16

Thanks for the feedback guys! It's good to see your opinions on this subject. Since this particular forum is about Nampa (getting girls) and not about couples therapy or anything else - this is where I focus my attention and discussion.

As one who loves to play nampa - hearing your opinions gives me even more confidence and direction about how, when and where to play. I don't mind approaching any couple - and yes - Brussel, I have been to a Happening Bar (or 2) with another couple, in fact just last week! And the man was pleased to see his woman with another guy - as it was one of the fantasies to yet unleash! So - if I didn't suggest - how could it happen???

I think you guys are only 'off or on' and don't see the gradiation in relationships that some of us do. Just because you show up at a bar with a girl and buy her a drink - establishes no 'ownership'. Nor gives you any pimping rights. Of course there is a line that ANYONE can understand when it comes to rejection - that is just natural. My opinion is that most guys won't even get close to the line - unless they are drunk. This is an issue - as getting drunk will cloud even the clearest of visions and intentions. Luckily - it works in parallel with the girls.

I've done all the 'rude and unsavory' things you say - yet - never been in a fight. Never been thrown out of a bar and never split up a relationship that wasn't already doomed. On the other hand, I've had great sex with great women, many many many times! And continue to do so.

Overall, my feeling is that you can't play everything with the same deck of cards. If there is anything I've learned about Japan is that it is a culture of a million grays. And most European just look at the ends of the spectrum without enjoying the beauty of shades. Maybe one iota up from the NO-Keep Your F*ng Hands Off Me -- the woman is feeling 'Hmmm, if his hand feels like this - I wonder about his c*k!' Maybe its 3 steps up --- do you really know?

I think where we have to agree is simply not to transgress another person against their will. After all, nampa IS about attracting the person in such a way that you get your Krispey Kreme AND eat it too!

We've all seen and experienced the 'ugly gaijin' - in fact in Japan I've seen a hell of alot more 'ugly oyaji' than 'ugly gaijin' - but maybe because I don't spend most of my time in the ex-pat regions by default. The 'ugly guy' in any case - seldom gets laid - so we should just learn from it. It's enough. If the social consensus puts those limits - then so be it. But, as men loving nampa, we shouldn't shirk away from any approach to a woman. Direct or indirect.

Perhaps you could start a new thing in Tokyo. Create a small 'I'm with him' badge, then pass it out to all the women who are in Heartland with their BF. Please make it really BIG and RED, so that those of us who are inebriated and not so clueful as you - know EXACTLY who we can and cannot approach safely. At the same time - make sure when YOU come into Heartland - you have your own badge that says 'I'm with my GF' - so we know that you are definitely out of play and not scoping around on our territory. What's fair is fair, ne?

I can only wonder - how many girls did you silently fu*k in your mind when you were with your gf in Heartland. And conversely - how many guys was your GF doing??? Tatamae my friend, tatemae.

Partytom

05-18-07, 21:53

An 'official' description about Nampa says that it is the Japanese word for girl hunting. Guys stand around busy streets, in shopping arcades, bars etc. to pinch their 'victims', means girls who are passing by. It's about girls who come along or sit there either alone or with a female friend/group. No word that Nampa is about 'couple hunting' as it is in your standard repertoire, Soujourn, or did you just expand your limits and added new rules to the game, looking for the ultimate competition in the meantime as it started to get boring for you to 'hunt down' single girls or female/female only?

You told of smelling the intimate scent of many, many, yes, many women in Japan by now, so I suppose you made yourself comfortable with a place to live there for some good time, didn't you? Say, before you got your first Japanese girl into bed, you already had this 'You make the rules, but I break them' attitude in mind, or did you change little by little, became more and more bolder with every new catch you made? I think your way of approaching women is an interesting subject for any human souls' researcher to find out more about breaking self-imposed inner barriers and how to manipulate humans with changing their mind step by step till your teeth are close enough to 'bring down game'.

Anyway, this is not the way I am and not the world I want to step into. When I come to Japan soon, it'll be my 1st time in Japan, will stay there for 2.5 months, but just 6 (+3) days in Tokyo and I hope that I won't end up at a police station within that short time because someone else wanted to grab my date.

It's hopeless and also I don't see it as my mission (not at all!) to teach you about respectful Nampa. Even if, not me, not anyone is able to change you, Soujourn, since your boldness can only get surpassed by your eloquence and vice versa. But I wouldn't be surprised if someday, in many years when your body is getting slow and your hair is fully covered with grey (hey, you are an old guy then), the postman brings a copy from a TV talkshow to me that shows you, talking about the topic 'My sins of the past and the bad karma I will take into my new life'...so I would think for myself "Ha, I always knew it would turn out like this in the end" (kidding).

Brussel

05-18-07, 23:05

Soujourn,

You are right. This forum is about nampa. Let this be my last message on the subject. I am happy that you agree with me that there is a line where we all you should say stop. Also I agree with you that when I am with my girlfriend, I need to stick with her, in the same way as I expect you guy's to understand a NO.
Of course I do not agree with you when you suggest to hand out badges. I do not need that to know that I am with someone. And my girl does not need that to show others that she is with me, besides the last time that people needed put up a badge to show who they are was in nazi-germany and I think that nobody wants to go back to that time.

Just to end it with a nicer note: My girl and I do not need to be secretly about who we like and find hot. We just ask or tell each other. It gives some extra spice to our minds and we like it that way. We know happening bars and have been there together. They same thing about heartland, we know what goes one (even a blind man sees that) and we enjoy seeing the action and like to give comments on it. But that is over for now as last time some guy's did break all the fun for my girlfriend. You know Heartland, so you can understand that before they ask you to leave the place, you went way too far and that was what happened.

Congratulations on your succeses. I hope you can keep enjoying it untill you meet the one that is right for you. Maybe one day I will be back on your side if I am single again... who knows. I might ask you than to team up or show me some of your skills, and if you like than I can show you how I do please the girls and take them home. But for now I am perfectly happy with the girl I have.

Enjoy Japan and all the good and beauty(s) that come with it.

Sake Lover

05-19-07, 07:58

I know this message will outrage some Japan nampa purists, but I have a simple question:

Does anyone know any good places in San Francisco, CA where a guy in his late 30's like me can try some nampa action by himself? Preferably with J-women, but nampa with other Asian women is mighty-fine too.

Unfortunately, I will be traveling to the SF area several times in the coming months, so I won't be returning to Tokyo anytime soon :(

And I have no friends in SF.

Partytom

05-20-07, 11:07

Brussel, you are toying with the idea of teaming up in the more or less far future with someone who would pinch your girlfriend here and now? Seriously?

Sake Lover, unfortunately I won't be a great help when I suggest that you perhaps could try it somewhere in Chinatown...the largest chinatown outside of Asia. Sorry, don't know more about that as I've never been in Frisco before.

Compared to all chinatowns in this world, we have something similar here in Germany, it's a small village that is full of Japanese citizens, lovely called by its nickname "little Tokyo". But what a pity, it's too far away from my home to visit regularly.

Soujourn

05-20-07, 13:20

Sake Lover - I suggest you make a short trip to Tokyo. Just a few days. Pass out some nampa meishi and invite as many Japanese women to join you in SF for a fabulous time! You' d be surprised how many will fly there at THEIR expense to be with YOU! So - you can spend you time (and money) trying to nampa the hardcore korean, chinese and other ABC's in SF -- GOOD LUCK! Or trolling down on fisherman's wharf or sausalito craft fairs for the random landed J-Ol. Again, good luck. It's much easier to just meet them here (in Tokyo) and then invite them to nice hotel in SF. You see - Jols love to travel - and generally need a tour guide or anchor. If you provide that - you're in.

I guarantee it - if you spend 3 or 4 days prep and 3 or 4 days solid nampa in Tokyo you will have a little red book that will last you at least 2 or 3yrs.

S.

Brussel

05-20-07, 23:33

[QUOTE=Partytom]Brussel, you are toying with the idea of teaming up in the more or less far future with someone who would pinch your girlfriend here and now? Seriously?

partytom, I think that you did not understand what I wanted to write (can be my English tough). I am perfectly happy with my girlfriend and therefor I have no need to team up with Soujourn. I hope that we stay the happy couple that we are now and than I there will be not need in the futur either. I think that Soujourn said that he did not have the intention of breaking up a couple. But I know that he is a master in Nampa. When he does that in a way that respects the girls than I see no reason why I could not team up with him if I ever become single again.

When I was single I used to love doing a little nampa. I think that I was not bad in it. I always did it with respect for the girl. She knew before we made it to the bed what my plan was. So there is no harm done and also no problems later. Most of the nampa that I did was not in the Gaijin area's of Tokyo (I do not like the girls that want to score a big Gaijin d*ck, and had already many).

Besides, I think that you can find the most atractive girls in other places.
I am not the best looking stud (I do have the money but never show that) but I have one ability that I think has always been my succes and still is (but now I do not use it to attract ladies to my bed). That is the fact that girls and women feel at ease in my presence. I never did push them. I remain calm, friendly and very attentive... than they become curious and interested. For me the real art in Nampa means making the girl wanting you, make her telling that she wants to know you better.
Hope this clarifies a little.

FadeToJade

05-21-07, 05:28

Sojourn,

You are truly the master of Nampa, could you give me advice re nampa in Honolulu; I am your Grasshopper. Waikiki is full of Japanese hotties; how to a approach them, etc. I can get to Hawaii, but more difficult to Japan.

Also do you happen to know what happened to Drunk Nampa? I enjoyed his posts enormously. Thank you so much.

Also what happeppen tpo Drunk Nampa

Als

AussieGaigin

05-21-07, 11:00

One of the easiest ways is to go to an area where they hang out, around shopping strips, major attractions, etc and find one with a map in hand trying to find her way around. Ask if you can help her, when you find out where she wants to go, conveniently happen to be going to the same place and offer to escort her there. Take a long way around to get there, if you can can't chat her up for a coffee or beer in these circumstances, you should give the game away. (With a bit of luck she will be so grateful for your help she will even pay for the drinks). Only problem might be that they will be in pairs, so you will have to keep two of them happy but you can double your fun.

Conversely, playing "lost tourist" in Japan myself has been a good way to get picked up, too.

Partytom

05-21-07, 15:18

Brussel, it was just a misunderstanding. Neither your English is bad nor I had problems to understand about the things you were writing. Maybe it didn't came through what I had in mind with my message, thanks to my not top-notch English. So I clarify, too.

With my question I wanted to ask if (should you be single again one day) you're really toying with the idea to team up with someone who once had no problem to hunt for your girlfriend by chance. I think that even if it isn't Soujourn's intention to break up existing relationships, as he is a big gambler when it comes to women, at least he would try how far he can go. That's my impression. And trying to score like that is something I can't agree with at all. I can imagine Soujourn's great Nampa skills and that he could be a great guy to hang around with, but in my eyes he disqualifies himself with acting like this. Boldness is okay, up to a certain level, but trying to break into a guy's evening with a girl (no matter if it's a relationship or just a date) is definitely something that goes beyond that level and an attitude I would put into the trash bin. As I said before, there are things someone shouldn't do within this world if it is his or her intention to keep it going for good.

Speaking about your way of Nampa (if you are single) of letting the girls feel the ease with you by not pushing them is a behaviour that I practice as well. I want to feel the flow with the woman who attracts me (and vice versa) before having the possibility of enjoying some fun in bed. During a 1st usual date that happens rarely in my country if a girl feels that the most important part a guy is after is her sex and not her mind. Fortunately I have no problem with that since I'm not talking to women with a stick out tongue (that is something I save for the later intimate moments), it's just the way I am.

On the other hand, Soujourn is the best example that you can succeed with a different strategy as well. Maybe even better. At least in Japan. Without being generalizing, I really wonder how far this country (with its capital Tokyo) is away from Europe or America for real when it comes to its women, including the whole (in many ways fascinating) culture. Well, soon I will know more about all that.

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Jesterl

05-22-07, 07:12

Sojourn,

Not only is namping a couple totally unecessary in Japan, but its counter productive. Obviously, the few girls open to such advances are far fewer then the ones not attached and looking. Be prepared to get shot down miserably. I've seen guys like you, but usually back in the states where it's no-holds-bar due to the scarcity of decent chicks. Believe me, If some guy did that with me he wouldn't get far. I'd wait for my date to politely ignore him, as I gave him a skeptical grin. I'd then low-beat denigrate him before asking him to leave, leave myself. If that didn't work, I'd probably fight him, just because of the huge disrespect that shows me. I don't think I've ever seen someone successfully pick up another's date unless it was so convoluted to begin with it was comical.

Partytom

05-27-07, 06:29

I'm coming up with a question that might look interesting if you join two beautiful things like nampa and the fact of being a tourist. As tourists for usual have the luxury to spend very much time on things they love to do, I would like to hear about your experiences of doing nampa in Tokyo in different day times. As it's obvious that hunting in evenings / at nights is most popular, I wonder about the situation in the morning / midday / afternoon.

Bladerunner76

05-30-07, 20:20

Hey everyone,

This is my 1st post even though I have been reading the forum for years. I lived in Tokyo in the late 90’s and almost married a Japanese woman in 2001 but it didn’t work out. Currently I find myself in Japan/Tokyo at least once a year and enjoy Nampa when I am there.

I just got back from a two-week trip to Tokyo with some interesting stories. My first night in Tokyo I heading strait to Roppongi and started the night at 911. It was a Thursday and it was kind of quite there and I had one drink and wandered over to Gas Panic. I usually stay away from the “Panic” but it was 400-yen night so I downed a few beers and killed some time watching people dance. I heading back to 911 around midnight and the place was packed. 911 was serving champagne in the lounge area which seem to attract the ladies. Soon I was dancing with Kana and her friends and becoming very drunk.

It turned out to be a fantastic night with Kana staying at my place but she had to get to work the next day.

I returned to Roppongi on Saturday only after I went to a club in Ometo Sando on a friends suggestion. It name is FAI www.fai-aoyama.com and I had a good time there but no luck with Nampa maybe I was tried from time spent with Kana. If anyone has been there let us know!!!

Later in Roppongi it was the complete opposite from Thursday night, no action for me. I went to 911, Motown up and down, and Wall Street which was fun watching the bartenders play with fire. I had to dodge the Africans and the Chinese ladies all night long which got old.

I found myself at a Pepper Lunch drunk and with just a few phone numbers.

Over all the Nampa from Thursday and Saturday was great meeting Kana and generally having a good time.

The next week was all work except for one night in Shibuya.

Places to go:

Roppongi

911 seems to be a little more upscale
Wall-Street small place easy to talk with the ladies
Motown women look like men there
Gas Panic music is so bad had to leave
Heartland didn’t make it there but will next time

Ometo Sando
FAI see above

Shibuya
Xanadu
Many Japanese Woman good place for Nampa plus close to love hotels
http://www.xanadu.ne.jp/

I also made it to Super girls and had number 24 or 25, I don't remember her name. She had huge tits and had amazing technique

And say she works M-F.

Now I want to go back and see Kana!

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Partytom

06-01-07, 04:03

Thanks for the interesting report about your personal insights into Tokyo nights. It also proves there are times when it isn't that easy to make a nice nampa catch. Anyway, good luck with Kana. Maybe you let us know how this story with her continues.

Azure Knight

06-06-07, 08:42

Anybody in Osaka need a wingman? I'd love to dabble in the scene but I don't really have any good wingmen/mentors. Yet, anyway.

Young girls are nice, but I like the older women, in their 30's, and unmarried/lonely, or married/lonely. Sexless either way. These women have 3x the appetite and are usually better to deal with. A had a 33-year old once for a 6-month sex friend deal, and that was incredible.

I've been giving the internet a try. I'm using Mixi (the Japanese version of MySpace. I don't really recommend it.) and a Japanese keitai deai site called Star Beach. I'm meeting a girl from Mixi tonight, and a SB girl tomorrow. I also just signed up for dr. To, so we'll see how that goes. I'll report anything reportable.

I'm fluent in Japanese, but I think this hurts me in more ways than it helps. We foreigners are playthings. The further outside of society we are, the better her "fun little secret" is kept. Speaking Japanese brings us a little too close to home. Some Japanese though is good for getting across basic points, and impressing her with little phrases.

Anyway, I'm getting back into the game. I'd love to just fork out cash and monger the classic way, but Japan just doesn't want my money. Wish me luck, I guess.

Jeremy109

06-07-07, 07:47

I'm a 30 y/o American guy, speak fluent Japanese, and I'm looking for a wingman or mentor in Tokyo...with summer around the corner, everyday I see that there's just too much to resist at the moment. I'm mostly interested in mining Roppongi, but Shibuya could be interesting too.

Also, do any of you out there besides Azure Knight use any good deai sites? It seems like there are so many of them out there, it's impossible to figure out which ones are full of fakes and which ones have the real thing.

Jeremy109

Incredulo

06-07-07, 13:12

What's the URL to Star Beach? Couldn't Find it.

Azure Knight

06-08-07, 06:43

star beach. star-beach.com. but you can only use it from your keitai, it won't work on a pc.

i met up with a girl from sb last night. we hadn't traded pictures beforehand, so i was a bit worried, but when she showed up. absolute knockout. nothing really happened. she was meeting me to practice english primarily. but i'll keep going with it for a little while in the hopes that my patience will pay off. the mixi girl. not worth mentioning.

i'm still looking for good deai sites myself. i have a feeling there's an untapped goldmine out there, just waiting to be found. i always see in the news stories about guys who got arrested for paying some young girl for sex that he met off a deai site. do not get me wrong, i do not want to meet any ****d girls whatsoever. but i can't help but wonder what sites these guys are using that are producing results (so that i can use them to find girls 18 and up. do wanna be clear on that).

while i'm hunting, the least i can do is warn you guys of two fake sites. www.boardz. jp, and www.bb-s.jp. i lost a little bit of cash to these two before finally wizing up to their scam. in the meanwhile, i'll keep poking my head around for real sites, and if any of you guys find anything good please do share.

Inakajin

06-10-07, 03:52

While I'm hunting, the least I can do is warn you guys of two fake sites. www.boardz. Jp, and www.bb-s.jp. I lost a little bit of cash to these two before finally wizing up to their scam. In the meanwhile, I'll keep poking my head around for real sites, and if any of you guys find anything good please do share.

The best deai site I know of (and the one from which you'll get little or no spammers/scammers) is www.love.squares.net. I've been using it for several years, have met more than a dozen women from it and have scored with several of those--including two I'm seeing occasionally now. If you read and write Japanese fluently, it'll be easy for you. You can respond to as many ads as you want, but only one every eight hours or so. You can also put in your own ad, which I've done 3 times and received 2 responses. One of those was a frumpy and not-very-attractive one, but the other I've seen a couple times already and she's a real fox who can write fluently in English. I'm hoping I'll score with her soon.

When I respond to a woman's ad (which, incidentally, they do not call "ads" in Japanese, but "contributions") I always tell her up front that I'm Caucasion--usually in the title bar. In my own ads, I also stated that clearly. Doing this sorts out those who don't want any giajin experience but attracts those who do, it seems.

Azure Knight

06-12-07, 08:00

Lion

06-13-07, 04:46

I'm trying out the love-squares.net site. Man, only being able to send 1 message every 8 hours is hard. The site doesn't seem to be keitai friendly, and since I can't always use my home computer. I've really only got one shot at emailing a day. So I'm trying to skim through the profiles/messages, see who would be most receptive to meeting a foreigner.

Any tips about what to look for? Haven't had much luck with the messages I've sent out so far.

I would search the WSG for inakajin's posts on the subject.
I followed his advice and sent out daily emails for about a month. Got about 4 hits, two of which were scammers (replies that are generic and ask you to visit their website).

I exchanged emails with one doctor for a month or so, but then she suddenly dropped off without warning-perhaps she found a BF or her husband busted her...who knows, as it is par for the course in this game.

I would read what the J-guys are posting for hints. Also respond to what the woman said she is looking for.

I did an experiment to see how legit and active the Male side of the site was, and posted an ad in English as a 50yr old big causasan woman looking for a 'patron'. Got about 5 responses the next day...some from guys saying they owned small companies...didn't follow up on it (lol).

Inakajin

06-13-07, 12:01

I'm trying out the love-squares.net site. Man, only being able to send 1 message every 8 hours is hard. The site doesn't seem to be keitai friendly, and since I can't always use my home computer. I've really only got one shot at emailing a day. So I'm trying to skim through the profiles/messages, see who would be most receptive to meeting a foreigner.

Any tips about what to look for? Haven't had much luck with the messages I've sent out so far.In my 4 years or so of using that site, I've never seen a message from a woman that indicated in any way whether or not she would be amenable to accepting a gaijin. The best way is to choose those whose age, size, etc. are acceptable to you and who seem to want something similar to what you're looking for. You didn't say how many messages you responded to, but don't get discouraged if you don't get immediate responses. Several of the women I've written to and met through that site have told me that they received more than 100 responses! Think of a job resume--the ones that stand out somehow will get the most consideration. I have sometimes responded to 10 or more ads with no response back; then at other times, I've responded to 3 or 4 and got 2 or more responses. It's all in the averages. Patience is the key, it seems. Just since September of last year, I've corresponded with 5 women, met 3 of those and scored with 2 of those. I'm working on the 3rd one now, and it looks promising.

Enjoy the journey!

Intenza

06-14-07, 10:17

Star Beach. Star-beach.com. But you can only use it from your keitai, it won't work on a PC.Amanojack has a great guide on how to use Star Beach, even if you can't read Japanese: amanojack.your-japan.com/post/22/221

Oh, and his "Get Girls in Japan" site is back (note the new URL)

Intenza

06-14-07, 10:23

Duas Cervjas, that's an interesting web page, I'd agree to that.

But don't take everything written there for true, it's better to trust your own instincts. The page has some interesting points, but is also full of trivialities, prejudices, and errors.

As to the supposed "hot girls don't date gaijins" thing, it is bullshit (in my humble opinion). Many foreigners, e.g. actors, models, f1 pilots, etc., do not only date the hottest Japanese girls, quite a few of them are even married to one.

People who think that "hot Japanese girls" for some strange reason are less interested in foreigners that "ordinary Japanese girls" are just playing above their league and looking for an excuse for not scoring. Or maybe they belong to the category of people who always want what they can't have, and so they just classify girls as "hot" that turn them down.

The "hot" girls that turn down our poor friend Amanojack don't do it because he is a gaijin, they certainly wouldn't date a Japanese otaku, either.

PS.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmanojakuAmanojack was not talking about HIMSELF, he is talking about most gaijin guys. He himself gets mad hot girls, as I have seen myself. Teh fact is, you are full of shit - I have lived in Japan for 8 years and I can count the number of truly hot J-girls walking with gaijin on one hand. End of story. Now either you've never been to Japan or your standards are way lower than mine or Amanojack's.

By the way, AJ got his name when I a girl told him she was "amanojack," which means a contrarian (one of several meanings). He uses that as astory to illustrate why you have to believe what a girl DOES not what she SAYS. Pure gold advice, sorry you missed it.

Netter

06-15-07, 08:43

(I am sorry to bother the forum again with things that I believe could better be send as private messages. But unfortunately Intenza has disabled private messages.)

Sorry, if I hurt your feelings, Intenza, that was not my intention. I live in Japan, but not in one of the "hot" places like Tokyo, etc. According to my personal experience and observations, getting the really "hot" girls is just as hard for most Japanese as it is for most foreigners. If Amanojack himself doesn't suffer from these restrictions and was talking only about other Gaijin --- well, what a lucky bastard ;)

If you disagree with my views on the accessibility of the "hot" ones, then that's fine. I don't think we have to go through this discussion again. Please read the posts by Pugman etc., before we start moving in circles...

So you joined the forum just to defend poor old man Amanojack?

Welcome to the forum! We are looking forward to your contributions...

Best, xtv

Ieyasu Z

06-15-07, 23:43

I know it’s pretty much the same post than Jeremy109 so don’t flame me; ^-^ Well, i’m a 24 years old french guy, and I'm looking for someone who would like to do nampa with me at Tokyo.

But, I have to say that i’m a total beginner in nampa, and my japanese is just at a basic level.

So any help is welcome!

Partytom

06-16-07, 07:48

Hi there Ieyasu Z,

Regarding Asian women I can just boast with my Nampa skills I made in my homecountry Germany (6 wins which mostly have resulted in a telephone number or a date, 2x K. O.), while in Japan I'm not known as a girl hunter (yet). I will be in Tokyo from July 5 to July 11, so if you are in the mood for teaming up with a rather good looking and nice German buddy, then here comes your chance. That could be a great opportunity to have fun together all over the place. Of course, it doesn't mean that I'm bi-sexual.

So if you're interested, Mr. Frenchman, then just drop a line into the forum and let's arrange a place to meet in about three weeks.

For the record, I'm 31, white skin, dark hair, brown eyes, 190 cm, athletic.

Ieyasu Z

06-17-07, 15:34

Snow Boyz

06-18-07, 00:25

Azure Knight

06-18-07, 01:43

A curious experience.

So I've been trying out the digital nampa thing. So far with not so much luck. I've gotten no responses from love. Squares, traded emails with a few girls that ultimately went nowhere, and met up with a few. One whom I'the rather forget, and two who are still in progress.

Anyway, on Friday I really wanted to score something, so I focused my efforts into star-beach.com. I posted a message in the afternoon, which mentioned I was foreign, and another one in the early evening. Didn't get any responses. Also sent out some mails, no luck there either. I decided to try a different approach. I posted a new message, this time simply saying that I was bored, and I'the just gotten paid. Wasn't long before I got an email from a girl asking me if I wouldn't mind coming to a pink salon. I told her I would, and she asked me if I could talk on the telephone. I said I could, but at this point I went ahead and fessed up to being foreign. She then asked if I could understand Japanese. I told her I could, so she gave me her number and asked me to call. I got directions to the place she worked and headed out. She gave me her name (Hiro) and number so that I could request her once I arrived. She also told me the price would be 6000 yen.

It was just a regular 'ol pink salon, in fact I've seen it on the street a few times. I'the asked the girl if there was a tout standing in front. Didn't want to get denied entry before I could even meet up with her. She'the said there wasn't. This place was on the second floor of a building, so I had to go up stairs, and then go through the door. As I entered, a Japanese guy came to the door, and before I could even start to say anything he was already saying "No, Japanese only! " I explained that I was there by invitation, and named the girl I'the come to see. He went off to confirm, and upon getting it, accepted me. If nothing else, I was happy to have gotten entry into a place where I ordinarily never would have been allowed in. He asked me for the money right off the bat. Quoting 7000 yen. Hiro had said that it would be 6000, but I didn't feel like getting into a money dispute so I just paid the 7000.

In the few pink salons I've been in before, they at least had rooms separated by walls, so there was privacy. Not this place. It was really just rows of L-shaped chairs. No privacy or coverage whatsoever. In fact, as I was lead to my seat, there was some salaryman next to me getting a BJ already.

Hiro comes, and despite the extremely low-lighting I can tell she's just not attractive at all. Aside from being chubby, she's just not even remotely appealing. Oh well, that's what the beer is for. She tries to make some small talk, but its obvious that she's kinda nervous. She asks me if I wouldn't mind meeting her after work. I ask her what time she gets off, and she says after 12. I tell her maybe. She's not cute, but a freebie is still a freebie, right? She tells me to take off my pants, and almost starts to get to work, but then she asks if I would buy her a drink, some tea. I say yes, and she asks me for 1000 yen for the tea. That'the better be some high quality tea. She goes off to get her tea, leaving me with my pants down.

Hiro comes back, and after a few sips of her tea, finally gets to work at a BBBJ. Which wasn't good at all. Granted, I hold working girls to a higher standard (considering its their profession) of BJ, but hers just wasn't good in general. Too weak, no variation. And do I feel teeth? Because the BJ isn't very good, it takes me quite a while to cum. Hiro doesn't stop or complain though, so I'll give her that at least. She gets cleaned up, and we talk a little bit. I notice that Hiro's breath is really, really foul. Even taking her profession into account, it was just rank. That, plus the poor BJ, turned me off to meeting her later.

Also, Hiro proved to be really, really stupid. I'm not going to get into the details of our conversation where she revealed her stupidity, but at one point, she took my hand to look at my palm lines, and said "Hey, your lines are dark. Wait, are you black? " How do you NOT notice this until now? How do you NOT notice that with my cock in your mouth? Wow.

I finish up with Hiro, and as I am some young Japanese guys come in. I notice that the girls who come to service them are younger, shapely, and quite good looking. I wish I could have gotten one of them, but I have to remind myself that I wouldn't have gotten in at all if not for Hiro's invitation. On my way out, I wanted to ask the tout if it'the be allright for me to come back again, but he was busy with some other guys coming in and I didn't want to loiter.

Not long after a left Hiro texted me on my phone, again asking if I could meet up later. I told her I was busy tonight, but I'the love to meet her some other time (blatant lie). She asked me to come to the pink salon again. I asked her when she worked, and she told me everyday except Monday and Wednesday. So my plan is to go on a Wednesday, and ask for Hiro, knowing that she's not there. The tout (with any luck, the same guy) will tell me that she's not, and then maybe I can ask if I can just stay and get service from a different girl. Don't know if it'll work, but it's worth a shot at least. And if it does, I'll have found a back-door into a place I wouldn't ordinarily have been able to go to anyway.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Matsu69

06-18-07, 16:58

I have just started reading this forum, very interesting. I live in London and interested in doing nampa on j-girls in London. Does anyone have experience that they would like to share, such as the best clubs, bars or parts of London.

I know going to japan would be the best place, but if you only have an opportunity once a year, it would be nice to be able to exploit opportunities wherever u are, especially since, there are many j-girls in London. Just need to find out where they frequent.

Any comments appreciated.

ThanksUm, Dude. This is the Japan forum. As in. "IN" Japan forum. Probably the only Nanpa stories you will see here take place in Japan.

Try perusing the London forum. Do a Thread search using the term "Japan" or "Japanese". Not a huge amount there but someplace to start. I searched using the term "Nanpa" with no results.

Partytom

06-19-07, 06:51

Well, thanks for the response. I don't want to bother the forum with private matters, so if you can send me a PM with a way to contact you directly (because you don't seem to be able to receive PM), we can speak freely about this.Unfortunately, Ieyasu Z, I can't get into private contact with you, as I'm unable to use the PM system (didn't purchase a membership).

So it seems that we have no chance than to bother the forum at least once again to get our private stuff done.

So here's my suggestion: I will take time off to meet you on an early evening between July 5 and July 10 (but beware of: night is long) at a well-known bar of your choice. I am the gaijin wearing a light yellow fine shirt, white trousers and black shoes, so there should be no problem to find me among the other people.

So are you ready?

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Hi Partytom,

Do you mean to tell us that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can't afford a $13 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained?

Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than 50 cents a week.

Thanks,

Jackson

Ieyasu Z

06-23-07, 04:37

Unfortunately, Ieyasu Z, I can't get into private contact with you, as I'm unable to use the PM system (didn't purchase a membership).

So it seems that we have no chance than to bother the forum at least once again to get our private stuff done.

So here's my suggestion: I will take time off to meet you on an early evening between July 5 and July 10 (but beware of: night is long) at a well-known bar of your choice. I am the gaijin wearing a light yellow fine shirt, white trousers and black shoes, so there should be no problem to find me among the other people.

So are you ready?

Well, sorry for the late reply. I don’t really know a bar in Japan that are easy to find by someone new in Japan. So, i think that the Starbucks Shibuya Tsutaya is the best.
(http://www.starbucks.co.jp/en/search/result_city.php?SearchPerfecture=Tokyo&SearchCity=Shibuya-ku&storelist=11 it’s the last one on this page) It’s in one of the big building near the station. The counter is on the first floor but the seats/tables are on the second. I will try to be near the window but as it may be busy, i can’t be sure.

I can meet you there the July 07 (Saturday) at 6pm. I’m 1m78 and have black hair. I will probably wear a black shirt and be the only gaijin looking in his electronic dictionary at that time ! ^-^

I don’t know well the clubs in Shibuya but it’s not far from Roppongi.

Is it ok for you ?

And sorry for the forum.

Spooje

06-23-07, 09:20

Well, sorry for the late reply. I don’t really know a bar in Japan that are easy to find by someone new in Japan. So, i think that the Starbucks Shibuya Tsutaya is the best. Just go out the Hachiko Exit at Shibuya station. Can't miss it.

Partytom

06-24-07, 06:42

Well, sorry for the late reply. I don’t really know a bar in Japan that are easy to find by someone new in Japan. So, i think that the Starbucks Shibuya Tsutaya is the best.
(http://www.starbucks.co.jp/en/search/result_city.php?SearchPerfecture=Tokyo&SearchCity=Shibuya-ku&storelist=11 it’s the last one on this page) It’s in one of the big building near the station. The counter is on the first floor but the seats/tables are on the second. I will try to be near the window but as it may be busy, i can’t be sure.

I can meet you there the July 07 (Saturday) at 6pm. I’m 1m78 and have black hair. I will probably wear a black shirt and be the only gaijin looking in his electronic dictionary at that time ! ^-^

I don’t know well the clubs in Shibuya but it’s not far from Roppongi.

Is it ok for you ?

And sorry for the forum.Hi there,

I think the forum forgives us for discussing our private matters here as it won't take too long and besides that I assume there can be found many tolerant members around.

So let's get to the point now and how we get our things done. Thanks again for your interest, Ieyasu Z, although I need a good time management in the meantime if I want to do all the things which are on my mind. Main reason for that are two women from Tokyo who want to meet me there, and so it could get a bit more 'busy' than expected. We didn't come together on any kind of Nampa basis, but they made contact to me on a usual penpal site. The actual situation is that at least one of them is interested to receive more from me than just a few friendly kisses on each cheek. I don't know how they think about the views we're all discussing here, but I have a certain kind of feeling that they will cry out 'Nampa? Tasukete!' (means 'Help me') if I touch upon that subject. So I avoid it as I don't want to risk my excellent connection I have to them.

But back to the both of us, Ieyasu Z: Unfortunately it get's tricky to meet you on Saturday 7 July, at 6 pm. Place is fine, but if you don't mind and aren't busy, could we shake hands there on 5 or 6 July some time in the morning to discuss the further steps and more?

Hope we get a chance to meet each other.

@Jackson: You're right, dude, this forum could deserve some financial contribution because there aren't a lot of other opportunities (any at all?) to chat about girl hunting so comfortable and interesting like at this place. But with due respect, US$ 13 are a bit too much for that pleasure in my opinion. Okay, if I would make my life in Tokyo for a half year at least, hunting for girls like for my daily bread and exchanging PMs with other users from time to time, then yes, US$ 13 are an investment we could talk about. But as I'm a traveller who won't stay at one place for too long between Tokyo, Yamanashi, Shizuoka and Nagano for 2.5 months, I don't have the time to frequent this forum like I would like to do. Besides that, once I'm back in Germany, I'm unable to feel the Japanese air blowing around my nose for at least one year, so my interest in visiting the forum here probably will drop down more than just a little.

But Jackson, if we ever get the chance to meet, sitting down on two bar stools, then be sure about that I'll pay for the next round.

Kanda

06-25-07, 16:07

I hope someone's going to be filming this stuff. Would make quite the comedy.

Slummin Tim

06-27-07, 04:55

I never really had trouble with this before, but seems like last time I was in Tokyo I was hitting plenty of singles wasn't anywhere near crossing home plate.

What I mean is-- my Japanese is decent (though not fluent, I still trip up on the phone though I'm getting better), and I was meeting a good number of hunnies esp. around Shinjuku (where I was working), Ginza and Ikebukuro. Met them on the subway, occasionally while shopping, start up conversation and it tended to be pretty pleasant, but just for some damn reason couldn't really go anywhere from there. And even then, the start-up conversation opportunities were a bit limited, seems like so many were texting or talking on their cell phones the whole time.

Once I can get them to a bar or cafe, things pick up for me-- I'm ex-military and always have interesting tales to tell, so I have a very nice batting average in Tokyo and Korea once I get to that point, it's just that getting there has seemed annoyingly difficult lately.

Those of you more successful at Nampa-- and I've been thru the forum archives already-- any useful anecdotes here? As in very specific tricks you've used? Any good ice-breakers? I dunno, am I looking in the wrong places? I presume that a cafe might work well, those cafes with the long tables if you could get yourself seated near a hunny you could start things up. Or the bars obviously, that way you have your wingman buddy Mr. Alcohol to help a bit too (so long as they aren't too far gone).

If so, any suggestions on good meet-up bars and cafes? I dunno, maybe Shinjuku/Ginza aren't the best places? I've heard Shibuya girls are smokin', is this better? And if you're just walking on the street and maybe passing by a hottie, again any tricks/ice-breakers?

Sorry to sound imploring here, it's just that at least for the near future, my trips to Tokyo tend to be short in-and-outs over a few days, so I don't have time to mess around too much-- if I'm gonna have any luck with Nampa, I gotta get right to it. Thx for any tips from the gurus here.

Partytom

06-27-07, 16:41

I understand your situation very well, but the problem is that I have classes on July 5 and 6, and I can’t neither meet you at Shibuya between 8 :30am and 3 :30pm, nor skip this classes.

Well in fact between July 5-8,

- I’m free Thursday after 3 :30pm but i have classes the next day
- I may be free Friday (July 6) night but only after 9 :00-9 :30pm.
- I’m free Saturday and Sunday all the day

If you want to meet me and just exchange ours contact information so that you can join me later when you’re free, I can also see you for a short time :

- Friday between 3 :30pm and 5 :00pm
- Thursday and Friday in the (really really early) morning : 7 :00-7 :30am (at the opening of the shop) and for a really short time

The time I wrote is the time that I can be at the Shibuya Starburcks.

So, I hope too that we’ll find a way to meet each other.

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Gentlemen,

Please communicate personal messages via the PM System

The Open Forum is generally intended for the posting of information that is of interest to all readers. Please use the Forum's Private Message system to exchange personal information and make personal plans.

Thank YouWell, isn't it of interest to all readers if everybody who's interested here to join Ieyasu Z and me at Shibuya's Starbucks after 3:30 pm on Thursday, 5 July, is invited for doing so? We initiate a meeting between Nampa newbies and veterans, going on tour the next day in 2-men-teams or alone, collecting numbers for a group sex party, team up altogether on Saturday night again and see who of the girls were open minded enough to show up for such an experience.

Okay, it was just an idea, just one of these daydreams. But what a thrill.

Matsu69

06-28-07, 00:25

Well, isn't it of interest to all readers if everybody who's interested here to join Ieyasu Z and me at Shibuya's Starbucks after 3:30 pm on Thursday, 5 July, is invited for doing so? We initiate a meeting between Nampa newbies and veterans, going on tour the next day in 2-men-teams or alone, collecting numbers for a group sex party, team up altogether on Saturday night again and see who of the girls were open minded enough to show up for such an experience.

Okay, it was just an idea, just one of these daydreams. But what a thrill.Come on girls! Stop this useless banter back and forth. If you want to meet each other, just use PM. If you can't PM just create a freemail addy and contact that way. This is a forum about chasing "tail" not chasing each other.

Once you have figured out where and when you are going to meet post something useful. About scoring P*ssy!

Looking at previous posts from Partytom I see no useful information. Just a bunch of ridiculous questions and commentary on other peoples experience. Oh yeah. And a series of posts to Ieyasu Z trying to set up "the meet".

Dude. Do you ever actually score? Before you get all pissy and flame me, take an honest look back at your past posts and prove me wrong.

At least Ieyasu Z had posted info about actually hooking up with women before he got sucked into this useless waste of forum space.

Can we get back on subject now?

Nino

06-28-07, 03:38

Come on girls! Stop this useless banter back and forth. If you want to meet each other, just use PM. If you can't PM just create a freemail addy and contact that way. This is a forum about chasing "tail" not chasing each other.

I concur. Partytom is abusing this forum. Stop it, please. Or pay the 13 USD (the cost of 2 draft beers in Tokyo, come on!) and get the PM feature.

Partytom

06-28-07, 06:42

Come on girls! Stop this useless banter back and forth. If you want to meet each other, just use PM. If you can't PM just create a freemail addy and contact that way. This is a forum about chasing "tail" not chasing each other.

Once you have figured out where and when you are going to meet post something useful. About scoring P*ssy!

Looking at previous posts from Partytom I see no useful information. Just a bunch of ridiculous questions and commentary on other peoples experience. Oh yeah. And a series of posts to Ieyasu Z trying to set up "the meet".

Dude. Do you ever actually score? Before you get all pissy and flame me, take an honest look back at your past posts and prove me wrong.

At least Ieyasu Z had posted info about actually hooking up with women before he got sucked into this useless waste of forum space.

Can we get back on subject now?I have finished with "the meet", all information has been posted, so there's nothing more for me to add. I'm sorry if some people got disturbed by that, but I don't see the sense of paying US$13 just for exchanging one PM. If I'm doing Nampa in Japan/Tokyo, then it won't last for too long, so I'm out of game again before I really got in actually.

No, I haven't ever scored in real, that's right. Not in Japan. But thanks to my experiences in my homecountry I am confident that I will.

About your personal criticism regarding my posts, well, that's your opinion and that of some others, I guess. You always encounter people who don't like your nose, your words and your overall style. Leave it, love it or do something with it between, that's up to everyone. I have my own views and standpoints, though that doesn't mean that I'm not picking holes in my own arguments, being self-critical enough whenever I think the critique is founded.

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Hi Partytom ,

You've got it all wrong. The reason why you would consider purchasing a $13 subscription is to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

Thanks,

Jackson

Inakajin

06-30-07, 04:16

I have finished with "the meet", all information has been posted, so there's nothing more for me to add. I'm sorry if some people got disturbed by that, but I don't see the sense of paying US$13 just for exchanging one PM. If I'm doing Nampa in Japan/Tokyo, then it won't last for too long, so I'm out of game again before I really got in actually.

No, I haven't ever scored in real, that's right. Not in Japan. But thanks to my experiences in my homecountry I am confident that I will.

About your personal criticism regarding my posts, well, that's your opinion and that of some others, I guess. You always encounter people who don't like your nose, your words and your overall style. Leave it, love it or do something with it between, that's up to everyone. I have my own views and standpoints, though that doesn't mean that I'm not picking holes in my own arguments, being self-critical enough whenever I think the critique is founded.

God, you're phenomenally tedious, Partytom. Either contribute something useful or get off the forum. How many times do you need to be told it's for exchanging info, not a private party line? Stay in the U.S.--Japan doesn't need you at all.

Slummin Tim

06-30-07, 06:56

Basic question here-- if you're hanging out in a bar and want to start something up with the pretty josei next to you, how do you offer to buy her a drink? I'd learned it as "ippai ogorasete" or "ippai ogorasete kudasai." Is this what guys actually say?

Back in Roppongi the guys had all kinds of variations in Japanese, or they'd ask in English or French or German or whatever (with eye contact and body language doing the rest). Just wondering, if you're in Ikebukuro or wherever and you have to get it going in Japanese, what people use these days.

On that topic-- in Ikebukuro, Shinjuku, Shibuya and the like, anyone have good recommendations for decent bars/clubs/"hang-out places" (like the broad tables in Starbucks or the other coffee places and mini-diners) to pick up J-Girls? Doesn't have to be the types of places that they go to specifically meet up with Gaijin (though that certainly doesn't hurt)-- my Japanese is decent enough to strike up conversation, just that things go smoother if you're in a place that's already set up to help you in your hunting.

Sudsy

07-02-07, 01:04

Basic question here-- if you're hanging out in a bar and want to start something up with the pretty josei next to you, how do you offer to buy her a drink? I'd learned it as "ippai ogorasete" or "ippai ogorasete kudasai." Is this what guys actually say?

I've always gone with, "Nani wo nondeimasu ka?" (What are you drinking?) and then simply ordering one.

Asking if you can buy her a drink gives her an opportunity to say no.

Simply buying one assumes that the answer was yes to begin with - and makes following steps easier as she falls into a pattern of belated agreement.

The only permission I've ever asked of a pickup in recent years is to ask if I may sit down next to her - and even that is simply to ascertain if the seat is taken.

Be polite, be amiable, but above all, be in charge.

Shomohin

07-02-07, 08:03

I've always gone with, "Nani wo nondeimasu ka?" (What are you drinking?) and then simply ordering one.

Asking if you can buy her a drink gives her an opportunity to say no.

Simply buying one assumes that the answer was yes to begin with - and makes following steps easier as she falls into a pattern of belated agreement.

Agreed. Standard Japanese "enryou" means that the girl will almost always refuse the offer of a drink, even if she wants one. Better just to order it and proceed with the ice-breaking from there.

Osaka Brian

07-03-07, 17:05

Matsu69

07-06-07, 00:04

Even using the masu form of the question seems a bit too polite. How about "nani o nondeiru?" or even more familiar drop the "o" and the last "i" to make it "nani nonderu"?.

Politeness can create distance, but I guess it is how you play it.OB - Not sure about Osaka, but your suggestion sounds a little too familiar for the Tokyo scene. On the contrary, unless you already have a conversation going and have established some level of familiarity, the tone you suggest; "nani nonderu" sounds somewhat offensive and will definitley earn a dismissal in Tokyo. No offense, but.... Oyaji kusai!

Osaka Brian

07-08-07, 09:50

OB - Not sure about Osaka, but your suggestion sounds a little too familiar for the Tokyo scene. On the contrary, unless you already have a conversation going and have established some level of familiarity, the tone you suggest; "nani nonderu" sounds somewhat offensive and will definitley earn a dismissal in Tokyo. No offense, but.... Oyaji kusai!Maybe a regional difference, but works well here in Osaka. In fact I was thinking Oyaji kusai when I read the "nani o nonde imasu ka" question. Okay I will try both out tonight and see which gets a better result.

The Whittmore

07-12-07, 10:10

Inakajin

07-13-07, 02:16

Regarding love.squares.net. Whenever I go to make a post, after I fill in the form and move to the next page, I see everything I wrote for verification purposes. A message at the top says to click the touroku button after checking the stuff, but I can't find the button anywhere. Am I just retarded, or is there something I'm doing wrong?

Do you see any error-type messages in red? If you don't have the register button, it usually means 1) you're missing some needed info, 2) you're using a free mail address the system won't accept (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.), or 3) your message has some of the forbidden words in it. The latter are listed in red above the window where you enter your message.

Azure Knight

07-15-07, 13:34

Lyraus

07-25-07, 23:00

Long time no post. This place seems quiet so I thought I'd share a bizarre and eye opening experience I had in Roppongi last month and see if any of the nanpa pros can make head or tail of it.

Month ago hit up the Gas Panic above 99. I've been here a number of times, and have only pulled a few times despite the venues storied reputation. Hell, even Feria has been better to me than Gaspanic! Go figure. Anyway, spotted perhaps the hottest girl I've ever seen in a Gaspanic, incredible hourglass figure, long thick legs, those really short shorts and high heels, you get the picture. Usually the type I wouldn't have the balls to approach, but I decided I'd try a brand new approach and in my drunken state walked right up to her, grabbed her hand, and pulled her in to dance. Couldn't believe my luck when she seemed more than receptive! Danced, grinded, made out, we were all over each other. Sweet! Maybe I should have used this tactic all along! Move upstairs, find a corner, start getting bold. Hands down pants, made her taste herself and beg for it hard...this was everything I'd heard about Gaspanic but had rarely seen in action. Take her outside and head straight to my usual Karaoke...make out, BJ, 69.....reaching for condom...hold up! "Can't do that!" huh??? "yeah, my boyfriend won't let me, sorry". huh?

She starts fumbling for her cell phone and starts texting away. "Sorry but I have to go meet him soon". What???! "Yeah, he's working tonight but he'll get off soon". Where?? "Gaspanic". WTF? Before I can even digest what she's saying she's pulling herself together and heading out the door of the Karaoke. I follow her out, pay up and walk her back towards the very Gas Panic we came from and literally watch as she runs down the stairs and starts chatting with her supposed "boyfriend" whose working behind the bar in 99! The dude gives me this knowing smile and that is my cue to blow off and leave her alone for the rest of the night.

Now I assume if you hang out in that Gas Panic you have probably seen this girl there before, as I've been told that many of the bartenders there are encouraged to bring their GFs or "sex friends" to the club. From what I've heard most of the hottest girls in that club are dating staff, or at least banging them. Some might even be working girls. Anyway, it explains a lot about that place.

Anyone ever experienced anything similar at that GP? Same girl perhaps? I went back a week later, saw her there again but nothing this time :( Was with another dude!

Thor93

08-05-07, 11:50

Speaking of virtual nampa, any of you fellows in Japan use AFF? Do you have success with it? Any tips?

A few years ago, I found two women from AFF, one meh but the other a knockout. I haven't tried it in years though, so I was wondering if it was worth spending the money on.

I used to use it but found it more trouble than it was worth. I actually met three women through it but two were nut jobs. The third was interesting but in the end kind of a disappointment. All in all I think you can do better just showing up and working a place like Roppongi or some of the other places listed here.

My most successful nampa experience was picking up a girl in the subway as I made my way to Roppongi. Just always been on the lookout for that girl that is going to look back and then just be bold.

Netter

08-16-07, 06:08

A few years ago, I found two women from AFF, one meh but the other a knockout. I haven't tried it in years though, so I was wondering if it was worth spending the money on.

Similar experience, except I didn't meet the knockout. I met a chubby midthirties girl through AFF who was looking rather for a boyfriend than for casual sex.

I wouldn't recomment AFF, so many of the girls don't reply at all, many profiles seem fake, and you have to spend a lot of time for relatively lit return. Best might be the chat, since the girls in the chat are at least really there, so your chances of getting a reply are much better.

Lenience

08-20-07, 08:26

They are CRAP. The odds of hooking up with someone you might actually want to, living anywhere near you, are about zero to one if you're a man. This goes for Passion.com and all the others in that group. Waste of time and money, totally.

Two by Four

08-20-07, 09:32

I am quite tenacious so In 2.5 years I managed to score with 3 chicks from AFF. 2 were nut jobs and the 3rd a total slvt.

But 1 of the nut jobs was a lot of fun in the sack (she was a squirter...gotta love that) and she was pretty. The slvt was very cute. The 2nd nut job was OK looking but stank....and she was into S&M but I am not really into that scene.

Took a lot of time and effort though. I agree that it's much esier to just go to a gaijin bar and work the scene.

2X4

They are CRAP. The odds of hooking up with someone you might actually want to, living anywhere near you, are about zero to one if you're a man. This goes for Passion.com and all the others in that group. Waste of time and money, totally.

Ranma21

08-22-07, 09:51

Aff isn't all that bad. I met two girls from there. One was just average the other was fairly hot and willing to try anything I wanted to do. The problem with the site is not that the profiles are fake but that there are far too many men compared to the women. The women are getting 40 to 80 emails a day. I couldn't possibly reply to that many in one week, let alone one day. The idea about getting on the chat at AFF is a good idea. I met my two girls by using the instant messenger. A lot of the girls use the webcam on that, so you can check them out right away. It isn't the worst site in the world. But you do end up spending more money than you should have to in order to pick up a girl in this country.

I am quite tenacious so In 2.5 years I managed to score with 3 chicks from AFF. 2 were nut jobs and the 3rd a total slvt.

But 1 of the nut jobs was a lot of fun in the sack (she was a squirter...gotta love that) and she was pretty. The slvt was very cute. The 2nd nut job was OK looking but stank....and she was into S&M but I am not really into that scene.

Took a lot of time and effort though. I agree that it's much esier to just go to a gaijin bar and work the scene.

2X4

Gigibagigi

08-24-07, 12:43

i'll give love square a try. i already got 1 reply already. pretty speedy.tried too.

but, it seems they do not accept www.yahoo.co.jp e-mails

i keep getting my mail refused

even the mail of my keitai ( japanese one ) is being refused

just wondering which kind of mail you need to use.

Gigibagigi

08-24-07, 12:50

Do you see any error-type messages in red? If you don't have the register button, it usually means 1) you're missing some needed info, 2) you're using a free mail address the system won't accept (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.), or 3) your message has some of the forbidden words in it. The latter are listed in red above the window where you enter your message.Which is the mail the do accept?

Not the keitai mail.

Do I have to pay for the mail?

Inakajin

08-25-07, 08:40

Which is the mail the do accept?

Not the keitai mail.

Do I have to pay for the mail?

Yes, it must be a for-pay mail server. That means you can also use your company, university, or whatever mail. This is how that system avoids spammers and scammers. I've been using my university mail account for 4 years with no negative effects at all (didn't want a 4P mail when I can use one free).

However, when a woman responds to my message, then I use a Yahoo account to write to her until/if I can see she's for real. Then I sometimes use my cell mail and/or university account. I'm extremely careful about who uses my job and 4P mail.

Gigibagigi

08-26-07, 08:55

Yes, it must be a for-pay mail server. That means you can also use your company, university, or whatever mail. This is how that system avoids spammers and scammers.What about OUR privacy, then?

Azure Knight

08-26-07, 15:32

I have yet to get one reply from the Love Squares. Wonder what I'm doing wrong?

Inakajin

08-29-07, 01:58

What about OUR privacy, then?

At the beginning, I was leary of entering a 4P mail address, but as I wrote in an earlier post, I've been using my university mail for 4 years w/o any spam at all. Right below the line where you enter your e-mail address, there's a bar with up/down arrows on it. This is a cloak/non-cloak choice for your e-mail address which is set by default on cloak--meaning that no one can see your address. Just make sure the writing on the bar ends with hiragana "shimasu," not "-imasen" and no one can know your address. The site managers do not sell your address or publish them in any way.

Inakajin

08-29-07, 02:01

I have yet to get one reply from the Love Squares. Wonder what I'm doing wrong?

Recently, I've had a long, dry run, too. The last contact I received through LS was late April or early March despite my having contacted at least 2 dozen women through the site during that time. But then just a couple days ago, I received a response and have been corresponding with the woman, who seems promising so far.

Thinking back, I remember that every year, I've experienced this sort of pattern from late spring to early summer--why, I don't know. Guess the women I might be interested in who like gaijiin just don't advertise then. My most successful times have been from late summer to early spring.

Azure Knight

10-01-07, 08:52

At Jackson's request I'm replying to a post from the picture thread here, but it has a lot of relevance to what the topic has been about the last few pages here - digital nampa.

I recently took this girl I met through the Mixi SNS site (Japanese only) to a really nice LH in Shinjyuku and we took these pix. For those who don't know about Mixi it is the J version of My Space. Not sure if I would suggest it for mongering even though I did pull this honey since it is a tight knit type SNS site which shows all profiles you visit, need an intro from current member to become a member, etc. Like most SNS sites it's mostly chit-CHAT type stuff. Anyone have much success on Mixi?
Actually, yes. I have been trying the virtual nampa thing out for a little while now, and I have to say that so far, Mixi has been my best (and only) success. I've met four girls from Mixi so far - banged two. I could have met two others, but they had to change plans at the last minute and then I lost interest in them. Going to meet one more later this month.

You do need an invitation from a friend to join. Once you're in though, there's all sorts of communities you can partake in. Mixi itself is all in Japanese, but there are some English communities that you can take part in.

There are some erotic/sex communities on Mixi, but those are primarily in Japanese. And I don't think they work that well for actual meetings - the people in there just like to talk about sex. Men constantly post their stats/info in the hopes that some girl will contact him, but I don't think there are too many takers.

I joined the sex communities, but I'm also in an English one, as well as some for hip hop/black culture. If I find something interesting in one of the topics, I'll post. That's pretty much all I do. I've had a lot of women contact me - they'll see my post, then check out my profile, then drop me a line. Exchange a few messages, and then see if you can meet up. From there, treat it as a regular nampa. I know the two girls I scored found me through the English communities, and I think the majority of the others were also English, or perhaps the music communities.

While I am enjoying the success I've gotten from Mixi, I am also still curious about other legit deai sites. There are always stories in the Japanese news about guys meeting up with girls from deai sites for sex. Whatever sites they're using, I have no idea what they are, but I'd sure like to find out.

I've written off a lot of sites as scam sites. You join up, and before long there are women mailing you, and despite knowing nothing about you, asking you to meet up for sex, even pay you ridiculous sums of money for it. Sounds too good to be true...and it is. These "women" are employed by the site to drain a poor sap of their money, and they're called sakura. They send you messages about wanting to meet up, but the actual meeting will never happen. Meanwhile, they continue to send meaningless messages, and to do anything on the site - read mail, reply to mail, etc, you need points which have to be bought.

Theoretically, there could be real women on the site, but once I see a point system, I usually write the site off as a scam and never look back.

I still occasionally try Star-Beach, but to date it hasn't been successful. I'll exchange emails with a lot of girls, but it usually fizzles out in the email stage.

I'm going to keep looking, but has no one else found a legit deai site?

Roaddog

10-02-07, 13:10

You can try Asoboo and Ublove they both have women clamoring for the magic stick. But they do have the crazies too so beware.

Roaddog out.

Ace Gallant

10-03-07, 00:49

You can try Asoboo and Ublove they both have women clamoring for the magic stick. But they do have the crazies too so beware.

Roaddog out.

When I was living in Japan, I had great success with Asoboo. But as Roaddog said there are some strange girls that you can pick up from there too.

Enjoy!
AG

Azure Knight

10-03-07, 08:41

Thanks for the suggestions!

Have any tips or tricks on making successful connections? Like, what to look for in a profile, how to go about it, what to put in your profile, etc...

Evan Stoner

10-06-07, 05:59

I have had considerable success with World Friends ("WF" -- also has various other brandings, but this is how I know it) and Japan Cupid ("JC").

Back in the day Metropolis ("TC" -- used to be called Tokyo Classified ;-) was not bad, but haven't tried it in a while.

I met and nailed a J-hottie 17 years my junior on Japan Pen Friends ("JPF") a few years ago... could still be some potential here.

Closed a couple deals on J-Loving ("JL"), although haven't tried this avenue in a while. Tended to be older, 30's.

Finally, closed one married chick on Dream Realize ("DR" -- http://www.dr.to/) although I've recently shut that down as she got too demanding. This site is probably not an option for most without good language skills.

Nino

10-07-07, 15:43

Finally, closed one married chick on Dream Realize ("DR" -- http://www.dr.to/) although I've recently shut that down as she got too demanding. This site is probably not an option for most without good language skills.

How did you register on that site? I see a members login, but no option to register.

Evan Stoner

10-08-07, 08:25

How did you register on that site? I see a members login, but no option to register.It's here http://www.dr.to/guest/index.cgi?se=boy. Note that this site is not free. Again, not sure if I'd recommend this site given all the other free options out there.

South by SW 2

10-09-07, 08:01

Have any tips or tricks on making successful connections? Like, what to look for in a profile, how to go about it, what to put in your profile, etc...First of all, I'm a forty-something living in the US with occasional trips to Tokyo. I'm working the Asian websites to line up some meetings for an upcoming trip.

Like Evan Stoner, WF has worked well for me, too. The free pen pal / friend sites work very well. AFF is the place to go to be pestered by overly familiar Chinese divorcees.

Between the various sites, in the past month, I've gotten 14 or so good unsolicited contacts and had 3 or 4 responses to 12 of my messages. I've had a couple where their English and my Japanese just weren't good enough to keep things going.

I'm mostly looking in 30. 38 yo range, but I'm opportunistic. I'm open to an on-going relationship, so I tend to be honest in my ads.

My profiles are pretty straight forward. I keep them fairly simple.- short declarative sentences. I include a couple of romaji sentences to indicate I'm not a complete Ugly American. I always post a photo (business attire in the first, casual for the others, including one group shot so I don't look like the lone wolf that I am.)

Rotating your photos (deleting one and adding a similar one) periodically will pop you up on the new photos listing and sometimes move you up in the search order.

I've found a lot of email friendships peter out after a week or two, so not being on the ground in Japan means I can't strike while the interest is high. I'm planning on a mini blitz a two weeks before I leave to try to offset that.

I'm also trying to move them on to I'm chat so I can get a little more informal / personal before we meet for the first time.

If you are younger and / or you actually live in Japan, you'll have a lot more options and you can capitalize on the window of opportunity.

Best of luck,

SbySW

Gaienmae

10-12-07, 22:09

Maybe something to bear in mind if you land a "deal" that sounds too good (though I don't think anyone here would be crazy enough to start messing with the less-mature end of the market).

While police have been devoting greater efforts to discourage “enjo kosai” (teen prostitution), economist Takashi Kadokura, an authority on the underground economy, estimates the practice constitutes an annual market valued at 63 billion yen. Writing in Nikkan Gendai (Sept 11), Kadokura notes that a nasty by-product of this phenomenon is “enko-gari,” in which the Johns
are set up to be robbed, or worse.

Typically, such badger games, referred to as “tsutsumotase” in Japanese, involve the young woman making contact with a male seeking sex via a website or bulletin board... http://www.japantoday.com/jp/kuchikomi/482

Pzfun

10-15-07, 17:09

Long time lurker, but first time poster. I've had some nampa luck recently around 11:30PM on the weekends. Right before the trains leave for Shibuya I would chat up some girls and get them to sing karaoke with me in English so they're stuck past the train. The problem is I got two of them and one wasn't about to leave the other to goto a hotel for a rest with me. I guess a number will have to do.

I've been reading a lot of the comments about online profiles. I'm giving WorldFriends a spin, but I haven't had a lot of luck with it. Honestly, I'm terrible with the online stuff. How do you pull a girl to go out with you just through text?

Kerfuffle

10-16-07, 01:29

When I was living in Japan, I had great success with Asoboo. But as Roaddog said there are some strange girls that you can pick up from there too.

Enjoy!

AgAre you talking about the current asoboo? That site is attractive on the surface, but I've found that it employs filters and such to discourage "online playboys" as I've been told in an automatically generated e-mail. Those filters flag such nampa or on-the-prowl type language in posts and profiles. That's a bit too "Big Brother, "don't you think? More power to you if you can achieve success there in those circumstances.

Pzfun

10-16-07, 11:24

Are you talking about the current asoboo? That site is attractive on the surface, but I've found that it employs filters and such to discourage "online playboys" as I've been told in an automatically generated e-mail. Those filters flag such nampa or on-the-prowl type language in posts and profiles. That's a bit too "Big Brother, "don't you think? More power to you if you can achieve success there in those circumstances.I don't know about the old Asoboo, but I haven't had much luck with the new one. I met a few girls after talking about how great their photos or art was, but haven't successfully pulled anyone from the site.

I wasn't aware they were checking through e-mails though. That is very creepy.

Azure Knight

10-18-07, 03:50

Does anyone use UBLove here? Do you know if there are any sakura? I made a profile but haven't really done anything with it. Yet I've already gotten three messages. You have to pay for membership in order to respond, so before I drop any cash I'd like to know I'm not being coerced into doing so.

In case you're not familiar with the term - "sakura" on deai websites refers to girls who have been hired by the company to trade mails with the male clients. They tell the guy everything he wants to hear, and make it sound like a meeting is going to happen, but it never does. Meanwhile, the guy is spending a lot of cash in order to maintain his profile in order to respond to the mails.

Any site that utilizes a point system, or something where you have to pay for the amount of email you send/receive, is likely to have sakura. Some scam sites are composed of nothing but sakura.

I Luv Puss

10-22-07, 06:24

Sdcard15

10-26-07, 01:32

I will be in Tokyo soon and I am looking for fetish joints that have people dressed in latex/gas masks. Can be host clubs/bars/etc. Are there any at all?

South by SW 2

10-26-07, 04:35

I might go to japan on Nov 8 since originally I was planning to go to Thai land but due to some conflict. I'm not able to. So I was reading some of you guys report and it seem like Japan is an expensive plan to get laid. The cost can be as much as here in the States. Altho I do like they have a prego ladies that I might able to live out a bit of my fantasy. Does anyone know if those prego ladies are tested regularly? Sorry if I ask dumb question. Please educate me.

Btw, how's Japaneses message parlor? I didn't come across any report on MP or maybe I missed. How much does it cost and what kind of services does it include?ILP, This thread is for Nampa -- picking up women in public places -- not pay for play. You should post over in the city-specific threads (Tokyo, Osaka, etc). There is a lot of information on massage parlors and soaplands. I'd HIGHLY recommend doing some research first and asking a specific question.

SbySW

Soujourn

10-28-07, 12:53

Two by Four

10-28-07, 16:27

Words of wisdom here from Sojourn.

I wouldn't recommend deai to anyone. The business earns more than $100m (US) a month taking money from suckers. I even know Japanese guys that are hired as 'sakura'. Unless you are very fluent in Japanese and <re>search out the more legitimate sites - as a foreigner - you just have so much more potential in hitting up the International Parties, Coffee Shops and regular matching sites like Japan Cupid, AFF, Match, etc etc ..

Nino

10-29-07, 03:42

Inakajin

11-01-07, 03:41

I wouldn't recommend deai to anyone. The business earns more than $100m (US) a month taking money from suckers. I even know Japanese guys that are hired as 'sakura'. Unless you are very fluent in Japanese and <re>search out the more legitimate sites - as a foreigner - you just have so much more potential in hitting up the International Parties, Coffee Shops and regular matching sites like Japan Cupid, AFF, Match, etc etc ..

Like Nino, I disagree: virtually all the women I've been able to nampa were from such sites. That said, the problem is that the majority are out-and-out scams, and another sizable minority that are legit are used by spammers and scammers. But if you're Japanese reading ability (and common sense, as Nino wisely states) are decent, it doesn't take long to sort them out.

Those that charge a reasonable fee for membership per year or month are usually legit (e.g. dr.to, aijinfurin, etc.); ALL that require you to buy points and use the points for each mail are total scam sites. In fact, many of the massive numbers of mails they inundate you with are clearly written by the guys who run the sites, not by women at all. Even if a Japanese woman wants a sex friend, she's not going to say so directly; nobody half your age w/o even seeing a pic of you is going to want to go to karaoke TONIGHT or to a love hotel this weekend. Of course, most of the non-pay sites--especially those that allow free mail addresses to be used--are sometimes used by spammers and scammers to get your mail address. But again, if you're careful and think clearly, you can avoid most of them.

For 3+ years I've had fair success w/the love.squares.net site, but for the last 5 months or so I've had a dry run: out of 2-3 dozen contacts I've made have received only 2 resopnses, and one of those wrote to me only 3-4 times. I'm just now starting to write to another so don't know which way that's going to go.

Part of the problem w/that site (at least in Kyushu) is that the average age of the women on the board has dropped substantially. Whereas in the past the majority were in their 30s w/quite a few in their 40s, recently 20 somethings are dominating it.

Another site I've met 2 women through is furin.misty.ne.jp. It's free and allows free mail servers so you have to be careful about the scammers who use it, but it seems to me that most the women on the site are for real. I've just started seeing a woman from that site, and we're hitting it off together fairly well, it seems.

On the other hand, the non-Japanese sites like AFF, Match, and Japan Cupid are hard to use if you're married unless you just blatantly lie. Also, if you live outside major metro areas, there are no international parties or Roppongi-type pick-up bars, and coffee shops are a long shot, in my experience.

South by SW 2

11-02-07, 02:10

I checked into my Akasaka hotel (Hotel Monterey) last night and I'm wondering if I made a mistake.

It is one of the "leave the key at the front desk" when you leave type places. They are pretty clear in the hotel information that they don't want you to have unregistered guests in your room.

Is that going to be an embarrassment if I bring a nampa friend back? It might be possible to go up stairs to the restaurant and bypass the front desk. I'll have to check the route.

My reservation is pre-paid, so the only other possibilities are to upgrade to a 2P room or depend on a LH. Kind of inconvenient from where I am and I've had women take offense when I suggested that.

Guess I'll check on the upgrade. <Grumble>

SbyBW

Crouching Tiger

11-02-07, 10:49

Pretty much all hotels say this and want you to leave the keys, When I was there last month for business and pleasure-stayed at five different hotels (long story) they all said the same/policy.

It comes down to 2 things money and security-however if you can get in the elevator and it is not by the front desk (where you would have to get the key) you should be okay. If the elevator is near the front desk-then it will be a problem.

Now if they have a bar in the lobby, you can make like you were at the bar and always had the keys and never left the premise. Like you said you have to check the scene out. Most times though they may not bother. That is why it isnice to stay at big hotel where everybody doesn't know your name haha.

I checked into my Akasaka hotel (Hotel Monterey) last night and I'm wondering if I made a mistake.

It is one of the "leave the key at the front desk" when you leave type places. They are pretty clear in the hotel information that they don't want you to have unregistered guests in your room.

Is that going to be an embarrassment if I bring a nampa friend back? It might be possible to go up stairs to the restaurant and bypass the front desk. I'll have to check the route.

My reservation is pre-paid, so the only other possibilities are to upgrade to a 2P room or depend on a LH. Kind of inconvenient from where I am and I've had women take offense when I suggested that.

Guess I'll check on the upgrade. <Grumble>

SbyBW

Bladerunner76

11-02-07, 15:10

South by SW 2 I would upgrade to a 2-person room.

I had a similar experience in a business hotel in Shinjuku. I tried to bring a little hottie back to my room but I had to get the key at the front desk and they would not let her go up with me. They made her wait in the lobby while I ran up to my room and grabbed my condoms.

Kabuchicho was not far and we went to a love hotel, it cost some Yen but I had a great time.

South by SW 2

11-04-07, 14:33

Thanks for the feedback.

Went with the 2 person option. Got a bit sticky when they asked for her name. I came up with one quickly, but I wondered if my date would have to produce a matching ID.

If the restaurant is still open, it is possible to walk up the stairs to the second floor and then go straight to the elevators. I assume the hostess doesn't care.

I watched two American guys just go straight to the elevators, obviously unaware of the protocol. Decided I go that route -- the baka gaijin. Don't think that would work with a girl in tow. Of course with my unseen roommate, they don't know whether I should leave the key or not.

Anyway, I'll actually talk about some adventures in nampa in a separate post.

SbySW

Jung At Heart

11-27-07, 23:07

Maybe it's just me, but over the past month I have had a two different women come on to me in clubs and be all over me. Then when asked for a telephone number, they both acted like I had asked them to suck me in public.

Both were drunk but it seemed like their M.O. just to tease. Usually, I get the number, we meet again a couple of times and either escalate or I give up. But these seemed keen for a quick close only to provide no hint of anything more.

Any similar experiences?

Azure Knight

12-07-07, 06:13

So there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. What about getting rid of them? Anyone have any tips for letting a J-girl down easy?

Lion

12-07-07, 06:15

So there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. What about getting rid of them? Anyone have any tips for letting a J-girl down easy?

It is never easy, but saying you are sleeping with someone else is usually an effective hint.

Two by Four

12-07-07, 14:20

good advice from lion if she is a "normal "j girl and not a stalker type.

a buddy of mine specialized in picking up insane j girls. his way of ridding himself of a hard to dispose of girl....unannounced anal sex.

get her into position like you are going for it doggy style and just let her have it in the ass. you hve to keep a straight face too like its somethign you are going to ask for on a regular basis. if she protests say that past gfs have always accomodated your penchant for anal and you expect it regularly from her.

if she still wants to date you after this tell her you want to try a 3p with her and another girl.

if that doesn't work next its a gang bang with your friends. (i'll be waiting for the invite).

the final straw is a request for an [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) 3p with the girl and her sister/mother.

my freind says that it usually stops with the start of anal sex.

who knew breaking up could be so much fun?

2 x 4

so there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. what about getting rid of them? anyone have any tips for letting a j-girl down easy?

Shomohin

12-09-07, 22:04

har!! best advice i've read in a long time!

good advice from lion if she is a "normal "j girl and not a stalker type.

a buddy of mine specialized in picking up insane j girls. his way of ridding himself of a hard to dispose of girl....unannounced anal sex.

get her into position like you are going for it doggy style and just let her have it in the ass. you hve to keep a straight face too like its somethign you are going to ask for on a regular basis. if she protests say that past gfs have always accomodated your penchant for anal and you expect it regularly from her.

if she still wants to date you after this tell her you want to try a 3p with her and another girl.

if that doesn't work next its a gang bang with your friends. (i'll be waiting for the invite).

the final straw is a request for an [CodeWord130] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130) 3p with the girl and her sister/mother.

my freind says that it usually stops with the start of anal sex.

who knew breaking up could be so much fun?

2 x 4

Crouching Tiger

12-09-07, 23:28

Topos

12-10-07, 00:33

So there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. What about getting rid of them? Anyone have any tips for letting a J-girl down easy?

I`m sure Azure Knight did say let her down EASY!!!.

Did you guys miss that, but anyway good advice.

However just watchout the girl might be into it, you can just never tell a closet nympho!!! Hahahahahaha!!

The way I break up is to look at my dick and blert out GOD I MUST SEE A DOCTOR ABOUT THAT!!!!! and hide my dick quickly.

Heheheheehehy
Topos

RCA Knight

12-10-07, 08:26

Most JP nampa girls are very loosely connect to guys. Most of times just ignore them a few times, they will get the message. They go on to meet other nampa guys and we go on nampa other girls.

If you run into a sticky girl, a good way to disconnet them is being super stingy. When you buy a can of green tea from vending machine, ask her to share the 100 yen with you, when you buy some taco yaki, ask her to pay half. She will be gone in no time.

If she still stays with you after all these, you may seriously consider marrying her.

Dynamics

12-13-07, 09:20

Nino

12-14-07, 05:09

Hi everybody,

As a newcomer I start with this simple question: is there any topic than you never talk about when you do nanpa? Emperor, World war, etc? J-Girls can get hungry for those discussions? I don't plan to talk about, but just be aware.

Obviously, none of those are good nampa topics.
For that sort of thing, you should join some "English Speaking Society" at some university. They are always looking for gaijin. Who knows, you might even nampa some weird intellectual freak... unlikely though.

AussieGaigin

12-15-07, 04:58

So there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. What about getting rid of them? Anyone have any tips for letting a J-girl down easy?
I have had a few medium to long term relationships with J girls in Australia on student or working visas, some have even moved in to live for periods up to 12 months. Surprisingly most of them have accepted that they had to go back home when their visa expired, and they quite happily packed their bags, said good bye, got on the plane and I never heard from them again. Even a couple I had discussed marriage with quickly lost interest once they got home.

I am left with the impression that J-girls do not mix sexual pleasures with romantic emotions.

Denkicash

12-16-07, 09:22

So there's a lot of great info about picking up girls. What about getting rid of them? Anyone have any tips for letting a J-girl down easy?If you've already decided you want to get rid of a girl, then you should consider how quickly.

The other list offered is pretty hardcore and should drive a girl away pretty quickly.

If you are not in a hurry then I would add to the start of that list:

Insist that you want to take photos, if she questions it say that you want to be able to cum because of her even when she is not there, so you need some pics so you can whack it whilst looking at her rather than porn.

Once the photos are an established extra, say you've got enough photos now, so it's time to start making videos.

After you've done 1 or 2 videos, tell her it's time to make a special video - this is the point at which you introduce the anal.

Probably the 1st time you just do it.

Then you talk about how great it was, but how hard it is to make a good anal video, and that you need to bring your friend along to film it properly.

After that you say he is a crap camera man and you want to film it next time whilst he does the fucking (be it anal or normal).

Then you are pretty much at the gangbang point of the other list.

An optional extra to insert into the list at any point is demand that she shaves her pussy (if she doesn't already). A lot of J-girls really can't abide this.

The one caution I would advise with this method is that you may well end up feeling pretty bad about yourself if you do it too often, especially if you start making her do stuff that you don't actually enjoy just to try and drive her away. Or you may not feel bad at all, and then you will just snowball into steadily more extreme stuff (see below).

I have not only done this in the past, but I've also known girls who were having it done to them by other guys and turned to me for advice.

Japanese girls are very good at "gaman" (superficially struggling through the suffering), but underneath it they can get quite upset and scared.

I've know girls to lose sleep over things they have done to try and keep that man they (in their weakness) feel they really need in their life. 1 girl had a guy who would park the car on streets near shogakus and make her have sex in the car whilst students on their way home were walking past - naturally she was terrified of the legal consquences, and yes after her pulled that stunt a few times she finally dumped him.

Sake Lover

12-16-07, 22:31

Dynamics,

Never ever talk politics (historical or current) with a J-girl. Ever.

I only visit Japan on business trips, but I know enough from my own interaction with co-workers in Japan as well as my friends in Japan. Trust me.

The typical Japanese person in general does not like oral disagreement. When a J-girl told me a few years ago in English that she liked the TV show '24', I replied "Oh, I don't like '24'! " It is quite common for Americans to tell other Americans, "I don't like this"; "I don't like that". In fact, we might tell an American friend, for kicks, "Oh, that show sucks! "

Well, this J-girl.- like many Japanese.- do not like verbal disagreement. So her response was almost like going into shock. Her eyes got wider and she was silent and acted very uncomfortable. And that was only because I stated that I did not like a TV show!

I now know that I should have replied, "Oh, I know that show. " No disagreement. I lying.- I did not say I liked the TV show.

Politics is an absolute no-no. The war? Which war.- the war America's waging in Iraq? Never the war that the bloody Japanese started!

The bomb? Never. Remember, Japanese dwell on the J-civilians who innocently died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not on the thousands of Allied soliders who died who would never have been in the military if the Japanese had not waged war on us!

Another example of how this can turn bad quickly: Do you know about American soldier Jenkins who defected in the 1960's to Communist North Korea, then later married a J-woman in North Korean who was kidnapped by the North Korean gov't? North Korea let Jenkins and his wife escape to Japan a few years ago, then Jenkins turned himself into the U. S. , since he was a traitor / Army defector. I was in Japan almost 2 years ago when Jenkins was headline news in Japan. My nampa friend, a J-woman with a university degree, said to me, 'I don't think Jenkins ever wanted to go to North Korea. ' Hell, his wife was kidnapped, but Jenkins defected from the U. S. Army to the Communist enemy in the 1960s! I could not believe such B. S. From my nampa friend. But she is a J-woman, so I just replied "Really? " and never said anything more. After all, I wanted to have more sex with her!

It would be nice if you knew the name of the current prime minister of Japan in case your nampa girl asked. J-Lo admitted not knowing. But I'm sure you're nampa girl will never ask.

Sorry for the digressions and I hope you get the point.

Sake

Hi everybody,

As a newcomer I start with this simple question: is there any topic than you never talk about when you do nanpa? Emperor, World war, etc? J-Girls can get hungry for those discussions? I don't plan to talk about, but just be aware.

RCA Knight

12-17-07, 16:37

First of all, most Japanese younger girls have no interest in politics, religion, history ect. So its no point to bring up these tough topics when nampa. For me in my experiences in Tokyo, instead of long nampa talk on the street or public place, I would try to invite them quickly to a coffee shop or resturant from there. Its much easier to make the mood for later action.

Then try to talk about topics that do not require brains. Happy topics. Try to make atmosphere pleasant, its true try not to have disharmony, after all we are interested in going to bed quickly. Then slowly, and carefully and directly tell her you like to be alone with her. If you make good atmospherer, JP girls will fall for that quickly. I never wait for the next date. Its now or probably never get her again.

Nampa Guy

12-18-07, 03:49

The absolute best way to do this nampa discussion is to do it all by email or TM prior to your first date, if you were introduced over the web or if you meet in a bar setting and quickly get her email.
With 6-10 emails you should be able to set the tone for your eventual date and get as naughty as you can stand in the exchange.
Start off kind of mild and with a strait photo and then ask if it is OK to send a more explicit photo and that is it kind of naughty. Is she "open mined"?
Most will say please send it and then act shy about seeing it so don't press it when it comes to questioning them about the photo. Just know that they looked at it and say something lite, like did you like the decore of the room?
On the day of your date spend the entire afternoon exchanging TM with her keitai every hour and demand replies by asking questions. Ramp it up as you go so soon they are telling you color of pants they are wearing, how they like to kiss etc. By the time they get to the meeting place, (hopefully walking distance to Love Hotel Hill) it will not matter what you look like or what you had planned prior, it is just off to the races. Works incredibly well with J girls who have great imaginations and are always viewing dads manga.

Netter

12-19-07, 02:08

The typical Japanese person in general does not like oral disagreement.
Who does?

Japanese like harmony and put high value on respect for each others opinion and feelings. Who doesn't? I think this is part of all cultures, but probably more pronounced in Japan.

Still, you can agree to disagree, but you should respect what your Japanese friends says (especially if you want to get her into the sack), even if you totally disagree. If you reply "what you said is bullshit, the truth is..." then of course you won't get anywhere. Try "I see your point, but..."

I you can't do that, then avoid such topics. Anyways, a good topic is always to talk about her. Ask her for her favorite singer, writer, etc., where she like to go during the holidays, ask her about her job, school, study, listen to the answers and show interest.

PS.: The bomb on Nagasaki was clearly a war crime. You can discuss endelssly about the first A-bomb, and I can see a justification for dropping in on civilians. But a second bomb dropped on civilians was in no way necessary to end or shorten the war. To get a bunch of old guys (who had already understood that the war was lost, anyway) to get moving and announce the capitulation of Japan, a demonstation on a deserted island or a military target would have been just as good as a city full of civilians.

Nino

12-19-07, 07:06

PS.: The bomb on Nagasaki was clearly a war crime.

Who gets to decide that? You? I don`t think so, but neither do I think this forum is the place to discuss that.
Please stop dumping political opinion statements here.

Kiyomori

12-19-07, 08:22

I have been in Japan since about mid-September and have found dating and picking up Japanese girls to be rather interesting and easier then in the States. I can speak Japanese pretty well and now a lot about Japan and its history, but was pretty ignorant about contemporary Japan.

First off, I have learned that some girls take a little warming up to get them in the sack. I have only had four one-night stands, two intentionally and one by accident because I really liked the girl and wanted to maybe date a little more. I have found that by the 3rd or maybe 4th date I can generally get in the sack with them and that seems to be about the standard. Not sure if others have experienced the same and would be interested to know what others think.

I have been to various clubs in Roppongi and am lucky enough to have 2 friends who work at the Gas Panic in Roppongi as well. One of them gets a lot of ass. I was able to pick up one of the one-night stands there and go to a love hotel. It was pretty obvious she wanted to just fuck. The others I have just made out with or have messed around with.

The place that I have met a lot of girls that no one talks about is the couple of International parties that are in Tokyo, generally Shibuya, Shinjuku and Roppongi. Don’t bother going to the one in Yokohama it is a waste. I generally get about 4 emails at each party with about 30% either leading to a future date or something else, I really don't pursue them all. As a previous post said I generally invite the girl and her friends or several girls back to a bar to have a drink. At about 10: 30 we go karaoke forcing them to miss their train and stay at an internet café. It does not always work, but sometimes it does. I have done this about 4 times and twice I have banged the chick there or back at her place after the trains start up. Even if I do not make the move, I find that the girl is more then willing to go out on another date and I have gotten laid eventually.

The key at the international parties is that most of the guys there only want one-night stands and it is pretty obvious. I always try to come off as someone wanting to be a friend and try to invite several girls to go with me to a bar to drink, so that it looks like we are all trying to become friends. There is always at least one girl that will go karaoke with me, and it is good to exchange emails with the other girls.

Though, I am not just trying to get laid I would actually like a Japanese girl to date, I find that after we screw if I am not really into them or feel like I want to date them I generally just say that I am not wanting a relationship now and I need to focus on work. Seems to work. Another site that I found is Japan Cupid. I have not really used it a lot only met one girl there who was psycho and we hooked up that night and why is it that the psycho chicks are always the craziest in bed.

One thing that I have noticed is that I always try to pay for drinks or for dinner and I notice that Japanese girls always seem hesitant to let me do it. Anyone notice this as well?

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Azure Knight

12-19-07, 12:20

I am left with the impression that J-girls do not mix sexual pleasures with romantic emotions.

Interesting responses from all, but like I said, I want to let her down easy.

She's not really a "J-Gal". Like, there are some girls you mess around with, and she was never really serious about you to begin with/secretly has a Japanese boyfriend in the background and just wants to have a little fun. Like, I'm worried she's getting pretty serious. So I feel I should stop it before things really get deep. It probably won't be pretty either way, but I do want to lessen the blow as much as I can.

She's been trying to get the L-word out of me for the past few weeks, but tonight she finally came out and asked "Am I your koibito"?

I figure the best way is to just say I'm not at the point in my life where I'm looking for serious commitment. Either she'll jump ship (desired), or stay on board with those conditions, and I can phase her out gradually.

Azure Knight

12-19-07, 12:26

One thing that I have noticed is that I always try to pay for drinks or for dinner and I notice that Japanese girls always seem hesitant to let me do it. Anyone notice this as well?
Yeah, Japanese culture doesn't really have that "men must do everything in the initial stages" nonsense. Women will actually ask a guy out if she's interested, or be the first one to confess her feelings. Also, the whole "guy must pay" attitude isn't too prevalent. At least in the early dating stages anyway, you might fight that a steady girlfriend would expect/hope for you to pick up a dinner tab every now and then.

I say, run with it. I hated the whole "guys pay" notion back back, so I'm more than happy to split a bill with a girl here in Japan. So far I can't say its ever hurt me on a date.

Some guys take advantage of the Japanese tendency of ATM's to close past 9PM, and make it a point not to bring too much cash so that the girl ends up paying for things (like the love hotel) later on in the night. I don't really like that though.

RCA Knight

12-20-07, 05:55

Thats the best thing about J girls, especially the OL, they will not let guys pay everything. In all my nampa experiences, they are very willing to share meal expenses. You don't need to ask, lots of them will offer to split the bills themselves. Even you insist to treat them, they will treat you back after meal coffee or at next time.

If the girls like you, and ask you out from their side, they most likely will insist to cover the dinner expenses. They will also send you valentine chocolates, flowers on special occasions, its so nice to be liked or admired in Japan by a few J girls.

Dynamics

12-20-07, 07:06

Thanks everybody or your advices.

Now, I have a nampa technique that I'd like share with you guys. First time you are in contact with the girl, ask her the bands she love, the songs she listen frequently, etc. The next time you saw her, bring your ipod (or similar) with all those musics, and make her listen it with you. She will be surprise at first and will enjoy to share same taste. If you don't bring an headphone but an earphone, well, it won't be easy to be much closer in a public area. And as you know, touching her during emotional comments is maybe not the key, but a big part of it. Let me know if it works for you!

Azure Knight

01-18-08, 04:07

mixi continues to be a subtle little goldmine for me. I met up with a 40 year old housewife last night. She initially sent me a message, asking if I could teach her English from the bed. We traded a few mails through mixi and then by cell email, and then met up yesterday.

In her messages and on her mixi profile, she says she's really into sex and ero stuff. She hinted several times at us going somewhere for a romp under the context of English lessons. Well, when I met her in person...I did not get that vibe at all. Just seemed like your regular 'ol Japanese housewife. To better get a feel of the situation, and because I was hungry anyway, we went to a ramen restaurant.

We had some very, very basic English conversation. Again, nothing about the actual lady made me feel like I'd met up with the ero-obasan I'd been exchanging mails with. I wasn't sure of myself, but I decided to press on anyway. After we finished eating, I asked if she wanted to start our "private lesson" and she said yes. I took her to a small love hotel district and asked if these places were ok. "Anything's fine" she said. I picked out a hotel and off we went.

I sort of had to get the ball rolling, but once I did the clothes came off and we were at it. I love older women who've reached their sexual maturity - I was giving it to her for an hour straight and she was still ready for more! I took a break without cumming after the first hour just to try and get some of my stamina back. Started up again after 20 minutes or so, but wasn't able to hold it off for long and I came. Took a 30 minute break to get my power back, then got in another 30 minute session. We showered together and then left, with her asking me to give her more "English lessons."

I ended up paying for the ramen and the hotel. Both times, she'd hold her purse but kind of dropped back and made no effort to split the cost. It'd be nice to have her at least offer, or even pay me for "services", but all things considered for 2 pops at almost three hours of sex, it was far cheaper than any shop I could have gone to.

I have a very basic profile on mixi. I almost never update it, maybe write a new blog post every two months. Sometimes I'll make a random post in one of the communities somewhere, which gets people looking at my profile. To date, I have never actually initiated contact with anyone - they've all approached me first. The payout I'm getting from mixi, considering I put so little effort into it, is amazing.

Shomohin

01-18-08, 04:41

Hi AK,

I wonder if you'd be willing to share what kinds of things you've put in your MIXI profile, as they seem to be working quite well. I rarely get mesages from women out of the blue, although I have found MIXI useful for following up with women who I've met face-to-face first.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Sho

mixi continues to be a subtle little goldmine for me. I met up with a 40 year old housewife last night. She initially sent me a message, asking if I could teach her English from the bed. We traded a few mails through mixi and then by cell email, and then met up yesterday.

In her messages and on her mixi profile, she says she's really into sex and ero stuff. She hinted several times at us going somewhere for a romp under the context of English lessons. Well, when I met her in person...I did not get that vibe at all. Just seemed like your regular 'ol Japanese housewife. To better get a feel of the situation, and because I was hungry anyway, we went to a ramen restaurant.

We had some very, very basic English conversation. Again, nothing about the actual lady made me feel like I'd met up with the ero-obasan I'd been exchanging mails with. I wasn't sure of myself, but I decided to press on anyway. After we finished eating, I asked if she wanted to start our "private lesson" and she said yes. I took her to a small love hotel district and asked if these places were ok. "Anything's fine" she said. I picked out a hotel and off we went.

I sort of had to get the ball rolling, but once I did the clothes came off and we were at it. I love older women who've reached their sexual maturity - I was giving it to her for an hour straight and she was still ready for more! I took a break without cumming after the first hour just to try and get some of my stamina back. Started up again after 20 minutes or so, but wasn't able to hold it off for long and I came. Took a 30 minute break to get my power back, then got in another 30 minute session. We showered together and then left, with her asking me to give her more "English lessons."

I ended up paying for the ramen and the hotel. Both times, she'd hold her purse but kind of dropped back and made no effort to split the cost. It'd be nice to have her at least offer, or even pay me for "services", but all things considered for 2 pops at almost three hours of sex, it was far cheaper than any shop I could have gone to.

I have a very basic profile on mixi. I almost never update it, maybe write a new blog post every two months. Sometimes I'll make a random post in one of the communities somewhere, which gets people looking at my profile. To date, I have never actually initiated contact with anyone - they've all approached me first. The payout I'm getting from mixi, considering I put so little effort into it, is amazing.

Azure Knight

01-18-08, 06:45

Like I said, its very basic. My self-introduction is basically just that I'm from America, and at a first glance I might look big and scary but I'm actually very nice. I say that I'm learning Japanese, I don't have that many friends yet and I'm not that familiar with the area. I also throw in a line about being bad at nampa and wanting to meet fun girls in particular. Free free to drop me a line!

My pictures are just stereotypical guy stuff - cars, movies, sports.

As for communities - I'm a member of quite a few of the ero ones, but I also have some other regular ones in there for TV shows, music, styles, et al. I think that provides for a good balance.

I think some guys go straight into the ero communities, post up their strats in one of the intro threads, and expect a girl to contact him wanting sex. From what I've seen, that doesn't really work. What I've been doing so far is to just post regular responses (not solicitation) in various community threads, ero or otherwise. A girl who reads my response may be prompted to check out my profile, see a guy with various interests (not just sex) and then think to message me.

I think the woman last night might have found me through the ero communities, but I can't be sure, we don't have any in common. The other women before her came from the English Only community. There was a girl I was going to hook up with who found me through a music community, but unfortunately she ended up getting injured and hospitalized before we could meet. There are a few international dating communities that are good for finding the English Chasers - or, as it were, letting them find you.

Azure Knight

01-18-08, 07:15

Also, here's a nice site I use for love hotels - http://h.dixy.jp/

Its good to know where the love hotels are in your stomping grounds. It can ruin the mood if you and your date are wandering around trying to find one. Especially now in the winter since it's so cold.

The site is all in Japanese, but it shouldn't be too hard to navigate. In the middle of the page there are 6 buttons, lined up in 3 rows of two. Going from top to bottom and then from left to right, they are -

By city ward/town/village (red) - search by specific location.

By rail (blue) - search for hotels near a specific station. After choosing your station the site will give you a list of hotels in order by walking distance from the station, and Google map information.

By freeway (green) - Divided by region, search for hotels along major roadways.

By Japanese map (yellow) - Starts out with a Google map of all of Japan. You can narrow it down by major cities in each region, and then zoom-in and hand-manipulate the map to find your region. This is a good way to get an appreciation of where the big hotel cluster is located in your city/region.

By details (teal) - Lets you filter results based on certain conditions, such as parking, credit card acceptance, services, amenities, etc.

By keyword - search for a specific term under station, freeway, name, or location.

If you at least know the kanji for where you live/plan to go, then you should be able to navigate from here.

I usually try to plan dates in areas with heavy love hotel concentration. It saves time, and usually makes for an easier transition. It's easy to get the girl to agree to go if you two are already there, versus having to take a train/taxi/walk to get there.

Shomohin

01-18-08, 09:42

Thanks AK. Good tips all.

Sho

Like I said, its very basic. My self-introduction is basically just that I'm from America, and at a first glance I might look big and scary but I'm actually very nice. I say that I'm learning Japanese, I don't have that many friends yet and I'm not that familiar with the area. I also throw in a line about being bad at nampa and wanting to meet fun girls in particular. Free free to drop me a line!

My pictures are just stereotypical guy stuff - cars, movies, sports.

As for communities - I'm a member of quite a few of the ero ones, but I also have some other regular ones in there for TV shows, music, styles, et al. I think that provides for a good balance.

I think some guys go straight into the ero communities, post up their strats in one of the intro threads, and expect a girl to contact him wanting sex. From what I've seen, that doesn't really work. What I've been doing so far is to just post regular responses (not solicitation) in various community threads, ero or otherwise. A girl who reads my response may be prompted to check out my profile, see a guy with various interests (not just sex) and then think to message me.

I think the woman last night might have found me through the ero communities, but I can't be sure, we don't have any in common. The other women before her came from the English Only community. There was a girl I was going to hook up with who found me through a music community, but unfortunately she ended up getting injured and hospitalized before we could meet. There are a few international dating communities that are good for finding the English Chasers - or, as it were, letting them find you.

Homer69

01-18-08, 16:54

AK: I don't think you can expect a lady to pay the first time in Japan. That's been my experience. It just doesn't happen as far as I know unless there are exceptional circumstances. Once she's hooked is another matter but that comes with other costs. In general, we make more than ladies and the ones who make more usually pay. It sounds like you make a nice score here. Congratulations.

mixi continues to be a subtle little goldmine for me. I met up with a 40 year old housewife last night. She initially sent me a message, asking if I could teach her English from the bed. We traded a few mails through mixi and then by cell email, and then met up yesterday.

In her messages and on her mixi profile, she says she's really into sex and ero stuff. She hinted several times at us going somewhere for a romp under the context of English lessons. Well, when I met her in person...I did not get that vibe at all. Just seemed like your regular 'ol Japanese housewife. To better get a feel of the situation, and because I was hungry anyway, we went to a ramen restaurant.

We had some very, very basic English conversation. Again, nothing about the actual lady made me feel like I'd met up with the ero-obasan I'd been exchanging mails with. I wasn't sure of myself, but I decided to press on anyway. After we finished eating, I asked if she wanted to start our "private lesson" and she said yes. I took her to a small love hotel district and asked if these places were ok. "Anything's fine" she said. I picked out a hotel and off we went.

I sort of had to get the ball rolling, but once I did the clothes came off and we were at it. I love older women who've reached their sexual maturity - I was giving it to her for an hour straight and she was still ready for more! I took a break without cumming after the first hour just to try and get some of my stamina back. Started up again after 20 minutes or so, but wasn't able to hold it off for long and I came. Took a 30 minute break to get my power back, then got in another 30 minute session. We showered together and then left, with her asking me to give her more "English lessons."

I ended up paying for the ramen and the hotel. Both times, she'd hold her purse but kind of dropped back and made no effort to split the cost. It'd be nice to have her at least offer, or even pay me for "services", but all things considered for 2 pops at almost three hours of sex, it was far cheaper than any shop I could have gone to.

I have a very basic profile on mixi. I almost never update it, maybe write a new blog post every two months. Sometimes I'll make a random post in one of the communities somewhere, which gets people looking at my profile. To date, I have never actually initiated contact with anyone - they've all approached me first. The payout I'm getting from mixi, considering I put so little effort into it, is amazing.

Azure Knight

01-21-08, 01:52

This was actually a first for me. Usually girls are willing to go half-and-half, which is why I'm starting to like Japanese women better than American ones! Though I find it distasteful personally, I know some other foreigners who are quite skilled at the "I left my wallet at home/I forgot to withdraw money and the ATM's are all closed now" game, and they actually get the girl to foot the costs for dinner/the hotel.

This woman didn't even really offer to split the costs, so that was a bit surprising. No biggie though, like you said she's a nice score, and it was still loads cheaper than fuzoku.

AK: I don't think you can expect a lady to pay the first time in Japan. That's been my experience. It just doesn't happen as far as I know unless there are exceptional circumstances. Once she's hooked is another matter but that comes with other costs. In general, we make more than ladies and the ones who make more usually pay. It sounds like you make a nice score here. Congratulations.

AussieGaigin

01-21-08, 10:07

Shomohin

01-21-08, 12:19

It has been a few years since I was last in TYO, but at that time I had arranged a few dates simply by advertising in Tokyo Classifieds (Metropolis) and another magazine. In almost all cases the girls OFFERED to split the food and drink costs, and often paid my train/bus fares as well when we used them. Only one bad one, who got me for an expensive lunch then did a runner. Perhaps they consider I am a guest in their country and they want show off Japanese hospitality; it is probably not good manners to refuse the offer, I always start the date off with some omiyage from Australia to offset the mis-balance.

Jeez, you guys! Is chivalry so dead? :-)

Soujourn

01-21-08, 15:06

Who needs chivalry when you have marmite! The average Japanese OL whom you are nampa-ing are looking as hard at the end game as you are. Don't sweat it ---- act naturally confident, gracious, prudent and reserved. Then do something very 'hen' like slip a sexy t-back or g-string into her hands and tell her (don't ask) to go and try it on for you.

Oh and as far as who pays? I always ask her to pay - at least first. You guys need to clearly establish the lead. Slip the girl an ichi-man and tell her to buy drinks for you and your friends and one for herself as payment. This says alot to the Japanese woman --

a) That you are in charge.
b) That she is at your beck and call.
c) That you have enough cash for the love hotel.
d) That she is duly nominated as 'yours'.
e) That you are decisive.
f) That you will take care of her fairly.

You need anything else to close the deal??

S.

Shomohin

01-22-08, 01:05

Jung At Heart

01-22-08, 02:43

Don't know why it is, but most of the women I meet in Japan split the tab for everything--including love hotels--until you make the mistake and start paying for her. Even if it starts casually as "I'll get it this time, " you are screwed for life.

Sooner or later, she'll expect it 90 percent of the time on the principle that you make more money than her.

If you find one who will pay your hotel bills so that you can give her what she needs, hang on to her.

Lion

01-22-08, 03:59

Homer69

01-22-08, 05:39

Lion

01-23-08, 03:05

Thank you, Lion.

Unless you're totally effeminate and spend gobs of cash on cosmetics, hairdressers, boutiques, handbags and clothes, you need to pay, at least during the chase. Once you've caught her and she's stuck to you, you will probably pay good money to get rid of her, too.

You're welcome.

I used to enjoy being the youngest at the bar and getting my drinks paid for, but now my J-friends expect me to cough up for the younger guys drinking with us (ouch).

I have no qualms paying for a woman's drink of course...

I did think of one caveat though. Since age plays such a bit part in Japanese society, it is not unheard of for older women to pay for dinner/room/etc...if the guy is younger and/or she is married.

Xslikx

01-23-08, 07:39

Thank you, Lion.

Unless you're totally effeminate and spend gobs of cash on cosmetics, hairdressers, boutiques, handbags and clothes, you need to pay, at least during the chase. Once you've caught her and she's stuck to you, you will probably pay good money to get rid of her, too.I don't know how old you guys are or how much you make, but I'm in my 30s, I've only been here for 5 months and although I make much more than an OL it's still a far cry from 30 million.

In the short time that I've been here, I've been dating on average a girl a week, not always but often leading to sex. I've never picked up the tab for anything. We always split it.

I've landed some pretty hot girls here. Moreover, there are lots of other guys like me who are fucking hot Japanese girls without paying for everything. Just check out some of the Japanese PUA sites. You can pay for everything if you want, or you might want to reconsider your approach.

Homer69

01-23-08, 07:40

Typically, in groups from work, the salarymen pay one share and the OL pay a cheaper share. It makes sense. The salarymen make more, drink more and generally eat more so they should pay more. The OL make less, etc. and should pay less. This seems fair to me.

You're welcome.

I used to enjoy being the youngest at the bar and getting my drinks paid for, but now my J-friends expect me to cough up for the younger guys drinking with us (ouch).

I have no qualms paying for a woman's drink of course...

I did think of one caveat though. Since age plays such a bit part in Japanese society, it is not unheard of for older women to pay for dinner/room/etc...if the guy is younger and/or she is married.

Azure Knight

01-23-08, 08:27

I did think of one caveat though. Since age plays such a bit part in Japanese society, it is not unheard of for older women to pay for dinner/room/etc...if the guy is younger and/or she is married.
Which is part of why I was surprised. She's married and older than me.

I mean, most women will usually at least make an effort to look like they're going to split the cost with you. This one just straight up retreated.

But as was said, still cheaper and better overall than most other shops, so I've got no complaints. Just gotta find cheaper love hotels, is all.

Inakajin

01-23-08, 13:54

You're welcome.

I used to enjoy being the youngest at the bar and getting my drinks paid for, but now my J-friends expect me to cough up for the younger guys drinking with us (ouch).

I have no qualms paying for a woman's drink of course...

I did think of one caveat though. Since age plays such a bit part in Japanese society, it is not unheard of for older women to pay for dinner/room/etc...if the guy is younger and/or she is married.

I don't know, maybe it's a Tokyo thing or age thing, but I've found NO women here in Kyushu who offer to pay for anything! Those I've dated have ranged from mid-30s to the one I'm dating now, who's a very young-looking 50sh, but only one of them offered to pay for our first lunch, and then only HER part. The next 3 dates I had w/her, she offered nothing even though she chose one of the most expensive rooms in an expensive lovho.

The one I've been dating recently didn't offer to pay anything til I vaguely suggested--after the first 6 dates or so--that paying for my transportation to meet her, lunches, movies, hotels etc. was a bit of a burden. The next time I saw her (last week), she paid for everything, but then just canceled the date we had lined up for tomorrow! WTF?

Lion

01-24-08, 06:42

I don't know how old you guys are or how much you make, but I'm in my 30s, I've only been here for 5 months and although I make much more than an OL it's still a far cry from 30 million.

In the short time that I've been here, I've been dating on average a girl a week, not always but often leading to sex. I've never picked up the tab for anything. We always split it.

I've landed some pretty hot girls here. Moreover, there are lots of other guys like me who are fucking hot Japanese girls without paying for everything. Just check out some of the Japanese PUA sites. You can pay for everything if you want, or you might want to reconsider your approach.

Guys in their 20s/early30s can probably get away with splitting the bills. Those in the 40s/50s are expected to make real money, and to cough up more often. Those on the "expat" package are making 20-30 million or more, but most of them are short-timers.

Homer69

01-24-08, 08:29

I'm on a modified expat package (paid in dollars back home, expenses and per diem, etc. covered in yen). I live in Korea part of the time, in Japan most of the time and in the US some of the time. I don't have a permanent apartment but use one of the company serviced ones which is usually available, otherwise stay in some sort of monthly mansion or even a hotel if it's a short time. I always pay but I'm well paid compared to OL and they know it but I'm often short of cash because I don't have full control of the family finances, enough said.

Basically, I'm expected to pay and I like it that way. I can walk whenever I want without owing her anything. I'm in my 40s.

Guys in their 20s/early30s can probably get away with splitting the bills. Those in the 40s/50s are expected to make real money, and to cough up more often. Those on the "expat" package are making 20-30 million or more, but most of them are short-timers.

Three Pete

01-27-08, 09:26

I have been following this tread with interest and I am a lurker but planning to post my exploits soon. When I do it will be in force and with photos but until then I have to comment on the paying for a date discussion. Of course everyone has their particular situation that applies here but this is my take.

Now I am in my mid 40's and make enough to enjoy some of the finer things in Japan so this advise may not apply to you 20 YO's teaching native languages who have no problem scoring on the young J girls who think you are cute and important as a teacher, but I have to tell you guys, you don't want to cut yourself short even if the girl offers.

In other words if the girl is worth it (hot, genki, sexy), then my rule is to show her a good time and pay for it and you will see her again. If you ask for a split or take one that is offered (I get the split offered about 60% of the time) you may not see her again. In my situation I want her to feel a little obligated and also anxious to see me again. If she is young and hot she has many choices. If in her mind she can date me or someone else and she enjoys the gratis time out, then I will get the nod. And it usually beats (and many times less expensive than) any P4P I can get for 2 hours.
For example, I had a girl who would travel from a remote area for 2 hrs by shinkasen and spend the weekend. This was well worth the expense of me paying her JR fare (non-reserved mind you). To quote the famous line

Shinkasen fare: 19,000 yen
Dinner out at inexpensive cafe: 6,000 yen
Breakfast at nice place: 5,000 yen

Overstay Saturday night with a 23 YO horny university student willing to learn all there is to know: Priceless

Inasia

01-28-08, 00:34

Three Pete

01-28-08, 09:25

Anyone have any particularly good experiences in certain Cafes and coffee shops where the girls are more likely to want to meet a foreigner? Obviously, the foreigner areas like Shibuya and Roppongi would make sense, but I'd be interested to hear from someone who had experience in a particular place.I have heard good things and had some experience with a cafe called Anniversary Cafe in Omotesando. It is just down from Exit A-2 Omotesando station. This cafe is next to a huge wedding chapel that has weddings almost every day. For some reason there are always single J girls there drinking tea and eating cake and taking in the weddings and such. It is portrayed as a romantic place. In cruising thru the area I have received looks from these girls and have friends who swear by this place. Of course your luck will be better on a warm summer day but this may be the place to go and hone your Nampa skills if you don't like the bar scene. I would maybe go there and find a nice table and ask the next single girl in line to sit with you or sit next to someone and engage. Also most Starbucks have a counter seating, just sit next to the one you like.

James Midason

01-28-08, 15:13

To quote the famous line

Shinkasen fare: 19,000 yen
Dinner out at inexpensive cafe: 6,000 yen
Breakfast at nice place: 5,000 yen

Overstay Saturday night with a 23 YO horny university student willing to learn all there is to know: PricelessPete,

You hit this on the head. Check out my older post on the Sexy Nurse. I get her to come to Tokyo once every two three months. I pay her way and she reciprocates very well.

Plane fare from wherever 20,000
Dinner for two at wherever 7,000
Buying her first vibrator 3,000

Getting her to dress up in a sexy nurse costume while she sucks my cock, playing with her new vibe while I take photos. Priceless!

Now I have her calling me asking when she can cum up again.

AussieGaigin

01-28-08, 20:17

My experience in Japan has been very random. Been able to hook up with girls met from mutual friends, dinners, or parties, etc... Now I'm looking to be more pro active, and the whole club/bar/Gas Panic, thing is not really my scene.

Anyone have any particularly good experiences in certain Cafes and coffee shops where the girls are more likely to want to meet a foreigner? Obviously, the foreigner areas like Shibuya and Roppongi would make sense, but I'd be interested to hear from someone who had experience in a particular place.

Many English Language Schools seemed to have their own coffee shops, where students hung out. Foreigners were always welcome to come in, often with discounts on drinks. MIKI HOUSE was one "chain" I remember from a few years back, not sure if they still exist.

Another source is the "international party" set, details here:
http://www.kokusaika.org/index_e.html

Three Pete

01-29-08, 10:23

I would like to start posting but I am wondering the proper forum for my exploits which are in the line of 3-P's. Usually 2guys on 1 J girl. All were thru nampa type arrangements (no compensation) where the girl who is a present girlfriend of one of us, never knows what is going down until it is presented at last moment. There will be photos. Is this better posted under Nampa, Other info, photo gallery?

Cheers,

Three Pete

Inasia

01-30-08, 00:34

Thanks Three Pete. That's good information and exactly the type of thing I wanted to know. The wedding chapel probably puts the girls in the right frame of mind! The Starbucks thing is a good idea. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a particular one that may be known for having a lot of good "opportunities".

I have heard good things and had some experience with a cafe called Anniversary Cafe in Omotesando. It is just down from Exit A-2 Omotesando station. This cafe is next to a huge wedding chapel that has weddings almost every day. For some reason there are always single J girls there drinking tea and eating cake and taking in the weddings and such. It is portrayed as a romantic place. In cruising thru the area I have received looks from these girls and have friends who swear by this place. Of course your luck will be better on a warm summer day but this may be the place to go and hone your Nampa skills if you don't like the bar scene. I would maybe go there and find a nice table and ask the next single girl in line to sit with you or sit next to someone and engage. Also most Starbucks have a counter seating, just sit next to the one you like.

Inasia

01-30-08, 00:38

Thanks Aussiegaigin,

The link looks interesting. I've heard mixed things about international parties. I went to one a few years ago with a friend and I wasn't impressed with the selection. But it was only that one time, so I don't think it's an accurate sample. Anyone have a good experience at these parties?

Many English Language Schools seemed to have their own coffee shops, where students hung out. Foreigners were always welcome to come in, often with discounts on drinks. MIKI HOUSE was one "chain" I remember from a few years back, not sure if they still exist.

Another source is the "international party" set, details here:

http://www.kokusaika.org/index_e.html

Azure Knight

01-30-08, 02:18

Three Pete: I'm guessing either nampa, or general info.

But do post up, I'd love to hear about your exploits.

AussieGaigin

01-30-08, 10:17

Thanks Aussiegaigin,

The link looks interesting. I've heard mixed things about international parties. I went to one a few years ago with a friend and I wasn't impressed with the selection. But it was only that one time, so I don't think it's an accurate sample. Anyone have a good experience at these parties?

You might also find some others advertised in magazines like Metropolis. They are probably not the most exciting event in the world, but I preferred them to going to noisy, crowded bars.

One thing I noticed with the few I went to is that the same "core crowd" seemed to turn up at all of them. But I was never short of approaches; sadly I was not in a position to follow them up as I was only in TYO for a short time, and already had my spare time well accounted for. Anyone resident there should not have problems getting a regular.

Tall American

01-30-08, 12:28

I have had perhaps a 90% success rate through Metropolis although sometimes wonder whether I was the one caught after often a quick agreement to meet and quickly ending up in a LH for the whole evening or long afternoons during the weekends. After a number of woman ranging from 22. 42 y/o, I had offers to go off to places together for the weekends, invited for home cooked meals or walks in the park but ended up always skipping these for the LH arrangements to avoid a no strings relationship with focus on sex. Over time though I noticed that some who I were still doing the LH scene with were just changing their ad content but with their same email addresses. Realizing that it was more often a catch and mutual release relationship with the Metropolis women, unless you are willing to be really caught. So be careful and enjoy.

Lyraus

01-30-08, 14:59

If you have pics, then post the pics and stories in the Photo Gallery. Look forward to reading your stories!

I would like to start posting but I am wondering the proper forum for my exploits which are in the line of 3-P's. Usually 2guys on 1 J girl. All were thru nampa type arrangements (no compensation) where the girl who is a present girlfriend of one of us, never knows what is going down until it is presented at last moment. There will be photos. Is this better posted under Nampa, Other info, photo gallery?

Cheers,

Three Pete

Inasia

01-31-08, 02:27

Tall American,
That's really interesting. I've done "language exchange" from personal ads, but I didn't ever find anyone really hot, so I gave up on that idea. The women seeking men section always looked like girls looking for husbands to me. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Did you have that experience or were the women more into a physical thing. Also, did you ever place an ad or just answer them?
For me, I don't mind if they are older as long as they are attractive, and I'm not looking for anything long term. Maybe a "sex friend" as they call it here.

I have had perhaps a 90% success rate through Metropolis although sometimes wonder whether I was the one caught after often a quick agreement to meet and quickly ending up in a LH for the whole evening or long afternoons during the weekends. After a number of woman ranging from 22. 42 y/o, I had offers to go off to places together for the weekends, invited for home cooked meals or walks in the park but ended up always skipping these for the LH arrangements to avoid a no strings relationship with focus on sex. Over time though I noticed that some who I were still doing the LH scene with were just changing their ad content but with their same email addresses. Realizing that it was more often a catch and mutual release relationship with the Metropolis women, unless you are willing to be really caught. So be careful and enjoy.

Nampa Guy

01-31-08, 08:05

I have had perhaps a 90% success rate through Metropolis .

Is Metropolis still running? I tried to log on last week and the website is now redirected to the new format and the personals where not to be found.
Tell me it's not true ! has anyone been able to place an ad there recently?

AussieGaigin

01-31-08, 10:03

It is about 8 years since I was last in Japan, so I cannot comment on the current situation.

I placed an ad in Metropolis (I think it was actually Tokyo Classifieds in those days) to the effect that I was coming to Tokyo, and was looking for someone to show me around, have some "language/cultural exchange", and "more if interested". I got more replies than I could really handle, although some I didn't get to meet because we couldn't match available times. Most of the contacts were definitely interested in the "more.." part. One tried to line me up with a couple of her friends at one of the parties, and another subsequently referred me a couple of her friends who came to Sydney on holidays. I also managed to get a couple from business related activities during the stay. Two weeks just wasn't long enough!!

There is just so much free stuff around, I just don't understand why anyone would want to pay for it.

AussieGaigin

01-31-08, 11:02

Is Metropolis still running? I tried to log on last week and the website is now redirected to the new format and the personals where not to be found.
Tell me it's not true ! has anyone been able to place an ad there recently?
Relax:

I just got onto the personals section without problems, using an old link.

Best you try again.

Tall American

01-31-08, 11:55

All of my success there was based on simply answering the ads but staying away from the outright ones looking for my lifelong soulmate and so forth and always in Women Looking for Men. The later 20's through to early 40's have always been prime catches based on a couple of drinks or dinner which often can leads straight to the LH. Shibuya, Ebisu and the East Shinjuku are easy starting points for that. If the first meet does not innocently lead to bed, then a wait and see approach has produced usually a 100% reply to wanting to talk and do more together. And there you go! This is definitely not the monger style but consistent with many of the posting for guys who don't need to pay and just need to lead the catch innocently to a 'quiet place where we can be alone'. As I have found to be the most suggestive and welcoming phrase. You just have to watch that it does not go on for too long with the same one or things have managed to get too serious for some. Even if always just heading for the evening at the LH. The other trick is to remember the names when you are lining up a string of 3 or 4 of the Metro ad girls over the evenings of the same week. It can be a challenge to remember every details of what they talked about the last time you met but by the time you are in LH room most of the talking stops when the lights go dim!

Nino

02-02-08, 06:46

All of my success there was based on simply answering the ads but staying away from the outright ones looking for my lifelong soulmate and so forth and always in Women Looking for Men.

Yes, but you still have to misrepresent yourself as being single, serious, and a potential catch. It is this dishonesty that some of us find stressful and unattractive. I won`t go there.

Tall American

02-02-08, 07:45

I am single, serious if the right partner comes into my life and and believe that honesty is part of any long term relationship. Characteristic or common to the online classified ads from my experience is that the relationship can remain unserious and leads to the LH scene immediately but over time physical attachment can become a new element to the relationship. However, this has been in my case replaced by a new classified ad by many women but with the same old email address. The lesson learned here and point I have been making is to take the situation with the Metro classifieds for what they can bring in enjoyment but not abuse the opportunities that easily arise for some but not all. Simple, honest and a clear perspective to the Metro classifieds opportunities!

AussieGaigin

02-02-08, 08:50

Yes, but you still have to misrepresent yourself as being single, serious, and a potential catch. It is this dishonesty that some of us find stressful and unattractive. I won`t go there.
That is why it is easier to place your own honest ads and let the girls respond. Let them do the lying if they want you, they can have the stress.

Nino

02-02-08, 09:37

That is why it is easier to place your own honest ads and let the girls respond. Let them do the lying if they want you, they can have the stress.

Except you won´t get any hits. Girls can get laid any time, so a "non-committed sex wanted" ad is hardly of interest.
It`s the human condition, and it won`t change, regardless what Political Correctness says.

AussieGaigin

02-02-08, 10:50

Except you won´t get any hits. Girls can get laid any time, so a "non-committed sex wanted" ad is hardly of interest.
It`s the human condition, and it won`t change, regardless what Political Correctness says.
It certainly works for me. See my report #692 a few days ago, for example. I've had similar success here in Sydney, with both Japanese and Chinese girls. If they are desperate for "white" men, they will respond.

Nino

02-02-08, 17:43

It certainly works for me. See my report #692 a few days ago, for example. I've had similar success here in Sydney, with both Japanese and Chinese girls. If they are desperate for "white" men, they will respond.

Does your ad say you are married and not possibly a serious prospect? Do surprise us.

AussieGaigin

02-02-08, 22:22

Does your ad say you are married and not possibly a serious prospect? Do surprise us.
No, because at the time I wasn't married. In the case I mentioned, I made it quite clear that I was going to Tokyo for a holiday, and the girls who responded and I met seemed quite happy with that situation. There were no in depth questions about my marital status or age, or about theirs for that matter (although one admitted she had a live-in Canadian b/f who was overseas on assignment at the time).

It was no different to picking one up "off the street", other than I had done the hard yards prior to arrival. There was no time or money wasted in buying drinks or meals, then getting a knockback at the end of the night.

I don't understand why you are so negative about this. If you are not having any luck yourself, perhaps you should rethink your approach. I have been playing the nampa game for 25 years, and I know what works for me.

Tall American

02-03-08, 02:37

I salute to Aussiegaijin who it seems shares in common with me many experiences as well as lack of hang ups in being the hit among inviting Japanese women anywhere we go. In Tokyo, Sydney, Hong Kong and elsewhere. And with total honesty, openiness and resulting enjoyment. With Japanese women who also share a common interest, if you think and choose carefully. Quality companionship if only short term with. A quality Western male. We are not all that fortunate so the debate can be endless among those with different levels of quality experiences and that is why we have this forum, to exchange on our different experiences. However, it is certain that I too have been playing the nampa game for 25+ years, and I know what also works for me. And as I have said before in my few posting. Be cautious and enjoy!

AussieGaigin

02-04-08, 11:40

Richo Stevens

02-04-08, 12:20

Guys in their 20s/early30s can probably get away with splitting the bills. Those in the 40s/50s are expected to make real money, and to cough up more often. Those on the "expat" package are making 20-30 million or more, but most of them are short-timers.What kind of jobs would that be? Could you advice me where to apply ;-))

X Man

02-04-08, 12:54

Mickey House in Takadanobaba still exists, and still has the original furniture (hard wooden stools). It's a dump. It was never a chain, btw.

Competition from the Brit bars and international parties has turned it into a shell of it's former glory. THe mgr now pays foreign students or others who will accept 1000 an hour to chat with J. customers -- especially since the customers are mostly salarymen or unattractive women who want to practice their English. Attractive women / new customers (attrative women are almost always "new", they don't come back!) are immediately ushered to the table where the "staff" are. Asking a customer if she would like to go get a bite to eat is strongly discouraged.

I wouldn't recommend it unless you are in the neighborhood and feel thirsty. Mug of beer is 600. Foreigners enter free, Japanese have to pay. (they usually avail themselve of the free tea and sit their with their dictionaries open).

On the other hand, if I was a starving gaijin student who needed a job and who hadn't been laid in the last month, it might be a good gig.

X

About 15 years ago I bumped into a lonely planet writer at a bar in Ikebukuro and then took him to Mickey house. What was I thinking!

Many English Language Schools seemed to have their own coffee shops, where students hung out. Foreigners were always welcome to come in, often with discounts on drinks. MIKI HOUSE was one "chain" I remember from a few years back, not sure if they still exist.

Another source is the "international party" set, details here:
http://www.kokusaika.org/index_e.html

Tall American

02-04-08, 12:58

AG,

Telepathy - which has it use for many occassions for those of us who have it! I had added my own observations on the Sydney and HK experiences of my own in #3768. Interestingly, the less fortunate back then who seemed not to have the natural resouces were also in heated debate about always having to use their financial resources even to lure in a J-girl outside of Japan!

Lion

02-05-08, 03:10

What kind of jobs would that be? Could you advice me where to apply ;-))

Any fortune 500 company will pay at least 10 million, more likely 20-30 plus another 1 million/month for an apt., 3 mill. for private school for kids, etc...

That is why international companies aim for hiring locals-they cost about 20% of an expat.

Remember American executives make much more than their Japanese counterparts (and the bottom suffers more as a result).

Three Pete

02-05-08, 08:33

sorry for the long wait gents. but here is my first substantial post. this took a fair time to put together.

i posted 2 weeks ago inquiring where i should put a nampa 3p post with photos and azure knight suggested this nampa forum and lyraus suggested the photo page. i will defer to the senior member with 90 posts to his credit on this one. this was really a nampa type situation and there is adequate space to put photos in the post in this section. besides, i don't necessarily want to share these with all the off forum people who search photo sections and are just looking for photos to gawk at, i feel that the readers of this nampa thread are the real serious japan buffs. my photos are retouched and some might think this is ridiculous but i am trying to protect not only myself but someone who has placed a certain amount of trust in me. the photos are just there to substantiate the report. i don't have to prove anything. if anyone is looking for photos of cocks, then check out the gay forums.

let me preface this report by saying, in this day and age we have to be concerned with conserving global resources. everyone knows it is wise to carpool, two can ride for same price as one and three can ride for nearly the same effort as two. with this in mind we are attempting to do our share by promoting the 3p which takes nearly the same resources but satisfies one additional person.

if you have a good friend you can trust, you can double your number of girls just by sharing the girls you have and likewise those secured by your good friend. this friend of course should be compatible, have the same taste in women, maybe same general background (in this case we are both from texas area and have lived a long time in japan), not get jealous and equivalent cock size also helps.

you would be surprised at how much the j girls like it., have fantasized about it and actually thank you later for making it come true. you have to do it right. these should be girls you have successfully nampa'ed or have known for a little while to where some variety would be nice, but not necessarily your steady girl if you know what i mean. in the time leading up to the date drop hints about the 3p when you are together alone, maybe show a pic of a 3p either real with you in it or manga pic and see how they react. you can also do things like put your finger in their mouth and when they suck it while you are fucking them say "make believe that is my friends cock you are sucking while i'm fucking you" or mention the friends name if she knows him. most are intrigued but most will say they "never" will do it. unless the girl says "i want to do it" then don't let her in on the plan in advance. you have to act like the situation just presented itself and why not go for it. you are out drinking together after work, your friend who just messaged you, stops by because he was in the neighborhood and wants to meet the girl he has heard about.
this is what happened. the first actual girl we will call megumi. she and my friend were drinking at a local watering hole coincidentally, near my apartment, he has already met her before and they have had sex a few times in love hotels. she is cute and horny and wants more. he called me and said i should drop in to meet her. she was feeling good and we sat together one on each side and eventually the talk turned slightly naughty. soon he was suggesting things, she was getting hornier and i was touching her leg and she liked it. we went to my place nearby so they did not have to get a lh, i was going to take a shower and only maybe watch or at the most take pics of them together. while i was taking a shower, the clothes came off, the atmosphere was seductive and it turned out she liked the idea of being watched when i peeked in the room and then it was ok to take photos, with a little suggestion by my friend she was soon asking if she could suck my cock. the rest was history and documented here.

has anyone else had similar success?

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Two by Four

02-05-08, 14:50

Ahhh you are making me jealous Lion...but then I stopped and thought that you are probably a few years older than me (I mean that in a respectful, you make more money than me type of way) and the salaries you are quoting are for companies based in Tokyo where the cost of living is higher....then I felt a little better.

As for picking up girls in Japan. Seems lately I can't go to a bar or party without getting that vibe from at least one cutie. For anyone trying to work on his nampa game I suggest studying NLP. fastseduction.com has some good resources.

Any fortune 500 company will pay at least 10 million, more likely 20-30 plus another 1 million/month for an apt., 3 mill. for private school for kids, etc...

Remember American executives make much more than their Japanese counterparts (and the bottom suffers more as a result).

Nino

02-06-08, 11:17

Fynx Gloire

02-12-08, 07:08

Hello fellow Nampas,

I currently am going to move somewhere in Tokyo and wanted suggestions on a good nampa friendly city to live in.

I would like to be able to Nampa at nightclubs / bars, go to the couple kissa / happening bars etc.

My top choices so far are Roppongi, Shinjuko, and Shibuya.

I am white male 6'0 athletic, etc. ( to determine what type of girls are attracted to my type, I heard Shibuya girls fo not go for whities like myself, true? )

Thanks.

Nampa on!

Fynx

Lyraus

02-12-08, 14:04

How old are you? What is your style of dress? etc

I find that Nanpa in Shibuya and Shinjuku is probably toughest (if we're talking street), however it can be done, but it's a numbers game. Areas like Kichijoji, Machida, and Ikebukuro have paid off well for me in the past.

Hello fellow Nampas,

I currently am going to move somewhere in Tokyo and wanted suggestions on a good nampa friendly city to live in.

I would like to be able to Nampa at nightclubs / bars, go to the couple kissa / happening bars etc.

My top choices so far are Roppongi, Shinjuko, and Shibuya.

I am white male 6'0 athletic, etc. ( to determine what type of girls are attracted to my type, I heard Shibuya girls fo not go for whities like myself, true? )

Thanks.

Nampa on!

Fynx

Fynx Gloire

02-13-08, 07:58

Hey Lyraus,

I am mid 30's, style is just regular name brand t-shirt, jeans, I workout regularly so I am pretty muscular.

When I worked in Roppongi and lived in Shibuya, getting home late, about 11ish walking back from Shibuya station to my home, I had many 'workers' request for massage, services, old men asking me if I want to fu$k a young girl, I even had a girl come straight up to me and ask me if I wanted a blow job, haha. One day was the record, I had 5 people come up for propositions that evening, I guess they were slow in business or something.

This was in the Dogenzaka area, I walked through the 'red light district' to my home at the time in Shoto.

The same thing happened to me in Roppongi near the Almond meeting place.
My previous job in Roppongi had me working insane hours including weekends so it left little or not time to nampa.

With a new job on the horizon, I will make time :)

In those 3 cities you mentioned, were you visiting them randomly or did you make an effort and time to go there for nampa?

Fynx

How old are you? What is your style of dress? etc

I find that Nanpa in Shibuya and Shinjuku is probably toughest (if we're talking street), however it can be done, but it's a numbers game. Areas like Kichijoji, Machida, and Ikebukuro have paid off well for me in the past.

Azure Knight

03-18-08, 14:09

Two by Four

03-18-08, 14:16

Unfortunately it is most likely the latter. After several years teaching Eikaiwa I can confirm that sleeping is considered a hobby by some Japanese.

2X4

A question: I've been talking to several girls by email lately, and when I ask them what they like to do in their free time, many have responded with "I like to sleep" (neru/netai). Is this some kind of code for sex, or are these girls just that boring?

Topos

03-18-08, 15:07

A question: I've been talking to several girls by email lately, and when I ask them what they like to do in their free time, many have responded with "I like to sleep" (neru/netai). Is this some kind of code for sex, or are these girls just that boring?

Now my question is did they say sleep alone or with someone (e.g some hunky guy they chat with on the internet)oh and do they really mean sleep.

I have taught Eikaiwa for several years too and Drinking and sleeping are common answers, However the sleeping answer comes from the kind of girls you would let sleep ..........If you know what I mean.

Next time please try this come back.........Now sleeping alone can`t be much fun how would you like to share your hobby.

Topos
Interested in your results.

Cuty Suzuki

03-18-08, 20:14

Unfortunately it is most likely the latter. After several years teaching Eikaiwa I can confirm that sleeping is considered a hobby by some Japanese.

2X4Driving is also given as a hobby often. Sometimes it is even drive, sleep and eat.

Nino

03-19-08, 03:45

Driving is also given as a hobby often. Sometimes it is even drive, sleep and eat.

Actually, "driving" is often a euphemism for driving out of Tokyo with the BF and then "resting" in one of those love hotels that line the highway.

I still regret that I found this out much too late after having rejected several invitations to go "driving" with cute girls way back then I was young and attractive. At the time, I thought "driving?... wtf?" Wish I had known better.

Azure Knight

03-19-08, 04:40

Yeah, that's what I was worried about - that I was missing the hidden layer of meaning behind "sleep".

I took Topos's advice with two girls who hit me with that line. One agreed that sleeping together is best, and said that if we hit it off well enough after meeting I'd get to sleep in her bed. She also told me that, as she lives alone, I'd be welcome to stay over at her place, but warned me that all we'd be doing is getting it on. Wonderful. The other girl I haven't heard back from yet.

Topos

03-19-08, 16:52

Nampa Guy

03-21-08, 00:27

Yeah, that's what I was worried about - that I was missing the hidden layer of meaning behind "sleep".

One of the sexy craziest girls I know told me sleeping was her hobby when I first met her. So do not reject a first timer, just because she appears to be lazy. Topos comeback is great tactic. I would maybe say something like "I always sleep better after good sex". The girl I meet on a monthly basis does love to sleep but also has no problem with me waking her up in middle of night, early morning, afternoon (yes afternoon) when she is sleeping. Most young J girls are kind of weak and you can see them sleeping on every mode of transportation and after a good F*@K will literally pass out like a rag doll. You can see them littered all over the couches of any happening bar.

Obasan on the other hand could probably beat the chinese army back with brooms.

Azure Knight

03-24-08, 02:33

A follow-up on the hobbies thing. I mentioned before that I'd been communicating with two girls over Mixi. I asked them what their hobbies are, and both replied "sleeping." At Topos's advice, I replied that sleeping is more fun with a partner. One girl I never heard from again, but the other responded pretty well to it. I met up with her on Friday night.

She'd been bugging me to meet all week. I was pretty busy, and the one day I actually could meet her, she was busy. I eventually told her that I could meet Friday night, but only pretty late and not for very long. She was okay with that. In the meantime, I did a little e-stalking on Mixi - look at her communities, see if she has any interesting ones, then go to that community and see what kind of posts she's made. I did that and found that she's looking for a fuck buddy.

So I met her around 11PM Friday night. I asked what we were going to do, and she asked if it was okay if we took a drive. Remembering that that's the "other" hobby, I said ok to that. She began to drive and talk about various things. She asked me about my status, and remembering what she said on Mixi, I said that I wasn't really looking for anything serious, just to have fun. After a while, I noticed we were getting further out of the city, and I came to found out that she was going to drive me to my fictional apartment! Had she dropped me off there I wouldn't have been able to get back to my real home, so I convinced her to go back and told her I'd catch the train "home". On the way back, she points out a large cluster of love hotels. "Wanna stop by?" she asks. I say sure, and after driving around for a few minutes she finds a place and we get a room. Doesn't take long to get down to business. She was up for another round but I told her I really had to get home, so she drove me back to the train station where I pretended to catch the last train. She paid for the love hotel, which was quite nice. She mailed me afterwards saying she wants to hook up frequently for as much sex as possible.

This would be a wonderful setup, but unfortunately the girl isn't attractive. She's a bit on the heavy side. Also, I'm fairly convinced she worked in the industry. She has two cell phones, and the picture she sent me had all the familiar photoshopping/lighting effects/pose to hide extra fat. Then, upon fucking her, I found a tattoo on her back. When I came, she was quick with the tissues and clean-up, and her BJ technique was, well, a pro. I dunno if she still works in the industry, but I'm fairly sure she did at some point. Knowing this, I made sure to wrap up.

So yeah, "sleeping" and "driving" can lead to good things. I only wish this girl was more to my liking, but it is kind of nice to get freebies from a former pro.

Jogabonito

04-18-08, 02:59

Hey. I've spent the last few days reading the posts on this site, back from the start. All 49 pages haha.

Anyways, I'm going to attempt to put some of this stuff into practice this weekend. Going to a meetup with a bunch of Koreans, we'll see if this stuff exceeds the culture boundaries. Any additional tips?

Anyways thanks to everyone for huge amount of knowledge found here, especially Soujourn and Endowed. Your posts in the beginning were amazing, and I hope to see you guys becoming more active on here in the future.

Jogabonito

04-18-08, 03:18

Hey all,

Thanks for all the info on these pages. I just found this forum and have spent the last few days reading all the pages. All 49. There is so much good stuff here.

I will be pulling some Nampa on a group of Koreans a week from Saturday. At a praise night (Korean Church). Tacky, I know, but I want to give it a try.

Anyways, great stuff from everyone, especially Endowed and Soujourn. Your posts in the beginning were gold mines. I hope to see more from you in the future!

RCA Knight

04-20-08, 08:22

I was in Tokyo for a week on business trip early April to mid April. I nampa a few times in stations, shoppings and restaurants. This time I got a beautiful stewardess from a food court in Shibuya. She was by herself and I sucessfully took her to another restaurant and then back to hotel.

A few days later, she was on a flight back to Osaka from overseas and had 2 days rest. I went to join her in Osaka. I booked another room at Imperial Hotel Osaka where she stayed. Had a great 2 days of natural sex and took few excursions in Kansai areas. She took me to Himeji Jo and Kyoto Hei-An Jingu where the sakura was in full bloom. It was incredible scenery. So beautiful. The last night in my hotel room, she even let me do anal, but did not get in much, and she swallowed my second shot. I love these Jp girls, so much fun with them. Can't believe we had sex 4 times the last night.

She promised to visit me next time in Singapore or HK, she can fly free. I post a picture of cherry blossom, and I think not good to post her picture in public.

Azure Knight

04-21-08, 04:43

RCA Knight

04-21-08, 06:52

First nampa is a game of probability, the more you expose to it, the better the chance, of course, there are some ways to increase the probability. When I am alone, I always go for girls alone as well. Its just too hard to pull away a girl from her group on the same night. When I nampa I always try to score the same night, the second date can be hard to arrange.

In this case, I look for girls in food center or casual coffee shops that sit alone and seem to be free. Then buy a coffee and sit near her. This particular girl was eating by herself and reading a magazine. I simply raised my courage and asked her if she is alone. I told her I am on business to Toyko.

Just by briefly speaking some Japanese mixed with English, you should be able to tell this one is potential or total waste of time. This girl showed interest in talking to me. Thats a great sign. She asked me about my job, and some other questions, then I asked about her, so I confirmed she showed some intersest.

Then I found out she is flight attendant. Thats even better, because these girls are very independent and quite lonley, because the irregular schedule, hardly meet their friends or colleague, then I proposed to her to have some wine at a restaurant nearly by. She agrees, then to be able to take her to the next place, its 70% sucess.

Then a little alcohol, and little more funny chit chat, I always be straight, I like her to spend the night with me. I would always find a time to tell her when the mood is good. Most girls always hesitate, some thinks about it, some hesitate on purpose to pretend bewildered. If the girl on borderline of going, take over the tempo, get a taxi back, most girls who follow you to this stage, have weak resistance and they probabaly have made up thier minds to stay the night with you.

This strategy works quite well in japan, the more you pratice, the more you become observant, what to say and what to do, remember, the whole process leads to bed.

Azure Knight

04-22-08, 06:06

Thanks for the details! Sounds like a great approach.

I've been reading some old posts on the board, and it really shows me how good the scene is out in Tokyo. I can't think of anywhere here in Osaka that's like a Motown (if any of you lurkers or otherwise know a good place, speak up!)

I'm really interested in the 30+ bored housewife/unmarried club. I lucked out and scored one by accident once and she was amazing. I've been trying to look for them over the internet, but haven't had a whole lot of success.

Lyraus

04-22-08, 16:30

Violentaj

05-01-08, 02:14

It is really easy to pull in japan as long as you are not Black. I've been to sam and daves countless times and had nothing but problems. Fuck japs and these gaijin bastards.

Nino

05-01-08, 05:21

It is really easy to pull in japan as long as you are not Black. I've been to sam and daves countless times and had nothing but problems. Fuck japs and these gaijin bastards.

Nonsense. There plenty of J-girls who are absolutely crazy about blacks. If you have personal problems, try to solve them, and don`t turn this into racist bashing. We don't need that here.

Nampa Guy

05-01-08, 05:39

It is really easy to pull in japan as long as you are not Black. I've been to sam and daves countless times and had nothing but problems. Fuck japs and these gaijin bastards.

It's not bragging if it is the truth.
You know when I first moved to Japan I thought to myself "this is what it must feel like to be a black guy in the USA"
Maybe your attitude is your biggest enemy in the J Nampa game. In Japan it is not all about yourself.
Azure K in Kansai seems to have no problem at all.

Capt Crunch

05-01-08, 06:54

Nonsense. There plenty of J-girls who are absolutely crazy about blacks. If you have personal problems, try to solve them, and don`t turn this into racist bashing. We don't need that here.I just thought that i would chime in here. I am african american and visited Japan several years ago. I was with my fiancee, who is Japanese at the time, but i felt like a rockstar. There were so many women flirting with me right in front of my girl. I have been in situations when japanese women obviously wanted only white guys, but i just continued to focus on the women that were into Black guys.There are many japanese women who love Black guys and are curious about our culture. I live in the states and have dated many japanese exchange students. I have even met their parents on several occasions. Racism sucks and does [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off when you are on the receiving end of it. We can not go as low as those racist people by saying things like,"Fuck those Japs". When you do that, you close yourself off to potential relationships and livelong friendships. I have hosted several japanese students in my home in the states and i feel i have good solid relationships. I will be visiting Japan in July and will stay at homes througout the country(Osaka,Tokyo and Hiroshima) with my former friends,host brothers and their family.

Capt Crunch

Violentaj

05-02-08, 01:36

Thing is, most nonBlacks look down on us, especially the japanese (who worship non-Black foreigners for the most part). I deal with oppression at the hands of non-Blacks everyday of my life, and they expect me not to hate them back?

Inakajin

05-02-08, 01:40

It is really easy to pull in japan as long as you are not Black. I've been to sam and daves countless times and had nothing but problems. Fuck japs and these gaijin bastards.

YOU are clearly the racist one! Walking around with a proverbial chip on your shoulder will get you no where no matter where the Hell you are. No surprise to me that you get rejection. With the attitude you've expressed on this board, you'd be rejected regardless of your race. Either show your decent side--if you have one--or leave the board to those of us (including numerous Black guys) who enjoy Japan and do well here.

Tall American

05-02-08, 03:33

I also would assume that both the crude language and the totally primitive racial attitude reflected by the author of the above caption - suggests that this person would not be welcomed in any establishment in Japan or within the ISG site.

Shomohin

05-02-08, 04:36

It is really easy to pull in japan as long as you are not Black. I've been to sam and daves countless times and had nothing but problems. Fuck japs and these gaijin bastards.

Some free advice:

Step One: If Sam and Dave's isn't working for you, try some other places.
Step Two: Get that chip off your shoulder.

and another word of advice:

Don't call people "japs".

Azure Knight

05-02-08, 04:57

Everyone, just please ignore this guy. I've seen him trolling among any and every Japan-related resource on the internet. He doesn't listen to reason, and feeding into it only makes it get worse. He's not worth your keystrokes.

X Man

05-03-08, 16:30

AK, has the right attitude.

But I have to admit, I'm a little jealous at how much attention the Afro-Am guys / hip hop guys get. I'm trying to milk the beer bellied, bald, white guy look for as much as I can, but not getting so much attention...luckily still getting laid once in a while.

Have a J/Californian friend who speaks fluently, but also gives the same "white guys got it made" bullshit. He's his own worst enemy.

X Man

Everyone, just please ignore this guy. I've seen him trolling among any and every Japan-related resource on the internet. He doesn't listen to reason, and feeding into it only makes it get worse. He's not worth your keystrokes.

Quasarus

05-07-08, 13:02

In this case, I look for girls in food center or casual coffee shops that sit alone and seem to be free. Then buy a coffee and sit near her. This particular girl was eating by herself and reading a magazine. I simply raised my courage and asked her if she is alone. I told her I am on business to Toyko.Man, your story sound a little bit too good to be truth but who knows, you might have had a lucky day. Congrats. But your story is not quite the rule in Japan. I mean is NOT THAT EASY.

Most of women here will not accept approaches outside "conventional places" (night clubs, bars.). I mean of course, you might have a nice chat and a good laugh, maybe pick up her phone nr, but in rest, most will be afraid about what the other people around will think of them. And an unispired approach can be easly taken as harrasement!

OK, you might be Bratt Pitt looking, then you clearly stand out of the crowd. I remember once at the starbucks in Roppongi I observed a very good looking guy, tall, blonde, blue eyes, trying to pick up some hot J chicks. In vain. Finally he left with an average looking one. Probably to some restaurant. Not hotel.

Now, I understand that with certain skills you can approach women in cafee shops etc get their nr, maybe get them to dinner or so but certainly NOT streight to hotel in the same night. At least not the average professional girls (maybe one of those bleached hair slutty young girls).

At least this is my experience based on observation here in Tokyo and Osaka area.

RCA Knight

05-08-08, 18:50

Lyraus

05-09-08, 05:07

Quasarus, I did not say I suceed all the time, of course there are always total mushi( total ignore) from girls. But this is the approach I take in food centers, also I like department stores or even street nampa.

In Kantou, there are simply too many targets in public places, if you have the guts and not embarassed to hit 30 gals in an evening in Shibuya, I gurantee you will get something if you look clean and decent.True, if you approach 30 girls, preferably lone wolfs, you will get something (most likely a phone numbers) but the odds of a lay that same day from a street or coffee shop pick'up are VERY slim. I've probably approached 100 women on the street, left with about 15 numbers, and dated about 5 of them. That is the type of numbers you're talking about here. Is it worth it? Depends.

The toughest is moving targets. Getting a girl walking in a busy area to stop and talk to you. No matter how much game you have, if she doesn't want to open it won't matter. Coffee shops are easier because they are already sitting there.

Ambassador

05-09-08, 14:41

True, if you approach 30 girls, preferably lone wolfs, you will get something (most likely a phone numbers) but the odds of a lay that same day from a street or coffee shop pick'up are VERY slim. I've probably approached 100 women on the street, left with about 15 numbers, and dated about 5 of them. That is the type of numbers you're talking about here. Is it worth it? Depends.

The toughest is moving targets. Getting a girl walking in a busy area to stop and talk to you. No matter how much game you have, if she doesn't want to open it won't matter. Coffee shops are easier because they are already sitting there.

I very rarely nampa. When I do, it has almost exclusively been in coffeeshops, for the reason Lyraus gave. As has been mentioned, it is a numbers game, but some women give off a vibe and others don't.

Last night, I tried to start up a conversation with a lady in a coffeeshop. First time for me in a long time. She was even a Filipina, possibly a first time for me to nampa one. I was sitting next to her, mainly because it happened to be the best available seat at the time, anyway, but after a while it seemed she was giving off the vibe, while talking (in Tagalog) to a friend on her cell phone. Sitting side by side on the long, bench seat that ran the entire length of the 2nd floor of the shop, there wasn't really any eye contact. But, I thought I would go for it.

Turned out to be a total failure. If you know Filipinas, you know they can be the sweetest things on Earth and they can be the most teasing things on Earth. Sometimes they can be both. This one fell into the teasing only category. Or so it seemed last night, anyway. After a while, after I had read my newspaper and watched my Colbert Report on my laptop, I started talking to her, just totally casual stuff. For example, she was briefly looking at a japanese-tagalog dictionary, so I asked her how long she had been studying Japanese. She replied in the coldest tone imaginable, "I'm not studying Japanese."

Tried a couple more times, more out of disbelief than anything, trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but no, this was one *****.

So, the vibe radar failed me miserably last night. As I said, I don't nampa much at all, but one lady I happened to nampa about four years ago, I still see her a couple times a year. (Can't stand parts of her personality, so I just see her when I crave the other parts, haha.) We made eye contact then and I followed her out and gave her my card. (She was headed to work, so we couldn't do anything that day.) She emailed me the next day. Funny thing is, I came across her blog (Japanese) a month or so ago, a kind of private affair she appears to do completely by cell phone and in which she has posted a few risque pics of herself. She has written some about her relationship with me ("ano Amerikajin") as well as a couple other foreign guys she has met ... Very interesting experience, to read what a lady has written about you on their blog without them knowing it!

RCA Knight

05-09-08, 15:36

There are a few observations I developed over all these years hunting in Japan, Brazil, China, and Hawaii. When you approach a girl no matter is stationary nampa or moving nampa, you have to test her "GUARD" against you.

Each girl has different level of guard against every different male, so to test the initial guard level against you is important, so you can carry on talking or just switch a target.

If she seems has low guard against you, and then willing to go to a coffee shop or different setting with you, thats the very good sign. Thats means she sets a low protection against you. Thats why I emphasize many time in this forum, to try to take her to a different place, is to test her level of guard against you, then you will know the success rate from there.

Then is to test her personality. Is she the type that flow into a man's lead or man's tempo, or she is the type that won't flow into guy's tempo. In Japanese words, I learned these that easily flow into the man's tempo is called nagasareyasui type, thats the type that I filter to get when I nampa for the same night.

Everyone's success rate is different, but with more suble observations like this during the process, you will be more likely to filter out the ones that can easier flow into your tempo, or otherwise get her number and move on.

JuanTalachero

05-10-08, 08:48

JuanTalachero

05-10-08, 08:51

AK, has the right attitude.

But I have to admit, I'm a little jealous at how much attention the Afro-Am guys / hip hop guys get. I'm trying to milk the beer bellied, bald, white guy look for as much as I can, but not getting so much attention...luckily still getting laid once in a while.

Have a J/Californian friend who speaks fluently, but also gives the same "white guys got it made" bullshit. He's his own worst enemy.

X Man

I've got that FOBU FAT OLD BALD UGLY guy look down! It's worked for me for years and don't intend to change anytime soon.
Peace, my brothers!

Dire Wolf98

05-29-08, 02:49

From the other direction, she was calling my eye
It could be an illusion, but I might as well try.

She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes,
And I knew without askin' she was into the blues.
She wore Scarlet Begonias tucked into her curls,
I knew right away she was not like other girls -- other girls.

Excerpt from 'Scarlet Begonias'
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia

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Dazed.

I stood in the middle of the second floor of my favorite Starbucks in Shibuya (the one diagonally across from Tokyu Honten) and wondered if Cupid had traded-in arrows for lightning bolts. Or, perhaps, Zeus accidentally nailed me with some friendly fire.

Weak-kneed and whoosey, I walked toward an empty chair across from the tallest & cutest J-Girl in Shibuya as she waved at me and bathed me in a 50,000 watt smile.

Imagine a tall 21-year-old J-Girl with a body like Halle Berry [her bikini scenes in the James Bond movie "Die Another Day" or her lingerie scene in the action movie "Swordfish"]; and a sweet wholesome face somewhat similar to Mandy Moore (if Mandy was Japanese). She also has short sassy hair like Halle.

She had great everything else too: legs, caboose [more Latin than Asian] and rack. I instantly found myself in my own personal Land Of Smiles as I couldn't stop grinning and I couldn't take my eyes off of Keiko.

I counted my blessings as sheer persistence had brought me to the brink of paradise. I had logged time at Terekura clubs in Shibuya and Kabukicho as well as a hybrid Date Club in Shinjuku. Also, on my lunch hours, I had been carpet-bombing various Japanese penpal sites with the same brief message:

"I am a tall, athletic, married American man who wants a secret girlfriend in Tokyo."

In approaching J-Girls through penpal sites, it's often best to keep your messages short – most J-Girls receive their e-mail via their cell phones, not as many have PCs.

Prior to Keiko, I received only a handful of replies to my e-mail campaign, most of whom "advised" me to take care of my wife. Farq!!!

I had experienced a moderately successful contact with a J-Girl college student in Tokyo through AdultFriendFinder, but it was difficult to arrange meetings with her (she will be the subject of a future post) and our encounters were few and far between.

A few others were curious enough to meet me, including a very cute petite 21-year-old college student, a reasonably attractive 26-year-old OL and a reasonably attractive very slender 22-year-old Chinese college girl from Shanghai. Long story short: nothing serious happened with them.

However, Keiko was enthusiastic from the start. As she is tall, 180 cm; and played organized basketball in high school [still plays regularly], she replied that she was looking for a tall athletic stylish boyfriend. A fastball right in my strike zone – which I slammed over the centerfield fence into the upper deck of the Tokyo Dome.

In my initial e-mail contacts, I downwardly revised my age and height. However, as our correspondence progressed, I informed her that I was actually 43 years old and 200 cm tall. No problem with Keiko. I told her that she could feel free to wear her highest heels, or atsuzoku gutsu [Kogal-style platform shoes], if we met in person. After three days of actively trading messages, we arranged our first date.

With a Latte in hand, I sat down across from Keiko and started conversing. Other people must have thought we were stoned on ganja, high on X or outright deranged: we couldn't stop smiling at each other. It was just coffee and conversation, but sparks were flying like tracers in a moonless midnight fire fight.

My knowledge of Japanese paid off big time: Keiko can't speak English. That's fine. I was in Japan and Keiko is Japanese. We started by seeking common ground - talking about the things we like, such as food and places in Tokyo. Keiko spoke in sweet melodious hush tones that made me glad I was in Tokyo and not in New York. Everything flowed smoothly and the mutual smiling continued.

At one point, Keiko sensed that it was best to move on to another location and she politely recommended a change of venue.

I could have suggested a Love Hotel, but I thought that might seem too aggressive, not to mention it would create scheduling conflicts on this particular day. I offered a less risky alternative: a Karaoke Box. Friends say these places are great for making out, yet they aren't as obvious as a Love Hotel. We could sing, or make out, or sing and make out. Keiko politely made excuses for why she felt a Karaoke Box wasn't our best option. Nice try on my part.

We settled for a quieter upscale coffee place down the street. The good vibes and smiling continued. Keiko also shared a funny story.

Five minutes prior to my arrival, another Caucasian man walked up to the second floor of that Starbucks. Keiko looked at him -- a wrinkled, battered-looking, gray-haired 60-something who was significantly shorter than 200 cm -- and she muttered angrily to herself "Liar!"

However, that man found an empty seat without searching for anyone. Keiko said that situation made her even happier when I arrived.

[For the record: several J-Girls have complained to me that some of the foreigners they have met from the Net have been less-than-honest in their descriptions.]

Eventually, I made my move to hold Keiko's hand. At first, she objected, saying she felt too shy. Resistance is futile. By the end of our date, she was affectionately stroking my hand. She also let me briefly stroke her arm, which seemed as smooth as an Hermes scarf.

While holding hands, Keiko put her cards on the table and laid-out her ground rules (in Japanese):

"It's okay that you are 43 years old and that I am 21. It's okay that you are married and have two children. However, if you want me to be your secret girlfriend, I have to be your ONLY secret girlfriend. NO OTHER SECRET GIRLFRIENDS! Also, I want to be your girlfriend, not your sex friend. Sex only is boring! Is this okay?"

Done! I quickly agreed. It wasn't hard to come to that decision. Keiko is a Major Babe and it had been many weeks since I had any encounters with my other J-Girl secret girlfriends. Our date ended soon after that. When we parted company, both of us seemed to be in a state of incredible elation. I felt like doing cartwheels down the sidewalk back to my subway station. All seemed right in the world.

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The wind in the willows played Tea for Two
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hand
Everybody's playing in the Heart of Gold Band

Excerpt from 'Scarlet Begonias'

Azure Knight

05-30-08, 09:45

So I have this older woman FB that I meet up with once or twice a month. We were supposed to go to a happening bar tonight, but she had to back out since her husband got sick and she has to go home and actually be a wife. However next week, she promises "I do anything to make it up to you."

That's way too good of an offer.

The one thing I really want to do is go to the hap bar, but we're doing that anyway so I can't really claim it. I thought about asking if she has any cute female friends who wouldn't mind joining us, but I don't know if she does, or if she's into it.

I gotta think up something. Why am I stumped here?

Nino

05-30-08, 10:42

Dire Wolf98

05-31-08, 14:56

oh baby, you got me so blind,
runnin' 'round in circles 'bout to lose my mind.
the way you got me lovin' you so,
i can't do my homework anymo'

excerpt from 'homework'
words by dave clark, al perkin and otis rush
music by otis rush

=====================

we had our second date, a few days after our first, at a park in meguro on a bright sunny hot day. in between dates, keiko sent various cute little e-mails to me and we had some nice telephone conversations. some of the e-mails were in japanese, some in english and some in janglish. in two e-mails, in japanese fashion she indirectly made discreet references to her strong physical attraction to me.

our date started out as a lunchtime stroll in a nice park. once we reached a secluded area in the park, i told keiko that i wanted to kiss her. she smiled and said, "you want to kiss me?" keiko locked me into a bear hug and nailed me with a breath-taking tonsillectomy. with my heart beating like a jack hammer, i suggested we go to a love hotel. at first she objected, but her resistance melted away after i launched a charm offensive. resistance is futile.

within minutes we were in a taxi on our way to gotanda, the nearest neighborhood with clusters of love hotels. inside our room, we started to kiss each other again. she took off my shirt and covered me with kisses. keiko slipped under the covers and tossed-out her top. at that point, with just her head poking out from beneath the sheets, she looked at me sweetly and popped the question:

"watashi no koto suki desu ka?"

roughly translated, this means "do you like me?" or "do you like the essence/spirit of that which is me?" however, direct translation can be fraught with perils and inaccuracies. this is dangerous territory. sex friends never ask this question, imho. although it's not as serious as "love," the answer shouldn't be taken lightly. i might be a degenerate and a reprobate, but i'm not a heartless bastard.

i made my way under the covers and snuggled-up to keiko. i looked into her eyes, stroked her hair and whispered softly, "hai, keiko-chan no koto suki desu." roughly translated, this means "yes."

that triggered a wave of hugging and snuggling initiated by my new 180 cm secret girlfriend. as a taller-than-average j-girl, keiko seemed to enjoy hugging my nba-power forward-size body, which easily wrapped around hers. still, neither of us wanted to settle for just snuggling.

removing keiko's bra i discovered one incredibly minor flaw – her large breasts weren't the firmest i have ever encountered. still, they are natural and quite large, especially for a tall j-girl.

as i removed her few remaining items of clothing, i discovered that keiko's skin was almost uniformly flawless and smooth. i struggled to peel-off her skin tight jeans which revealed her well-toned body with her incredibly tight butt and long legs. there was no doubt that she is an athlete.

the time seemed right to give keiko an oral test which i commenced by licking her left ear lobe and lightly probing her left ear with my tongue. keiko enjoyed this, but i didn't want to linger – i moved on to her shoulders then onto her left nipple. say what you want about my political leanings, but i always like to work from the left to the right nipple.

keiko clearly liked the oral attention, but like many japanese girls, she seemed embarrassed by my "ladies first" approach. she tried to pull me back up into a face-to-face position, but i would have none of that. i wanted to head south. although the room wasn't brightly lit, there was enough light to see keiko's golden pavilion inviting me like some erotic dream from the pages of penthouse magazine. keiko doesn't appear to shave, but the hairs of her small patch were neither long and nor incredibly thick. like a lot of j-girls, she probably clips and trims.

once i started to taste keiko, i knew that she was no zombie/starfish. although keiko initially voiced mild j-girl-type protests, i continued to lick and suck her golden pavilion. keiko has the type of mound that produces a lot of juice, which dripped down onto my face and sheets. she wrapped her thighs around my head and started to roll around.

unlike dinah-moe humm, keiko didn't take insanely long to reach the big o; then several more quickly followed the first. once she calmed down, she urged me to crawl back north for a kiss – no hesitation despite the fact that her juices covered my tongue, lips and face. she pulled her lips away from me then whispered into my ear the japanese equivalent of, "your turn."

keiko planted kisses on me from north to south until she reached mr. happy. the closer keiko's face moved toward mr. happy, the more turned-on she became. i shave, so she started oooing and ahhing and talking about how smooth it is down there.

keiko slipped the semi-dormant mr. happy into her mouth and slooooowly bobbed her head up and down. slowly and sensuously, she licked and sucked as if she had all the time in the world. however, as my tool stiffened, she began to suck harder and faster until mr. happy finally stood at attention. as keiko is a taller/bigger-than-average girl, she was able to fit most of my awakened tool into her mouth.

eventually, keiko pulled it out of her mouth and whispered in japanese, "let's do it." she flipped-over onto her back and i slapped-on a condom with lightning speed. as i slipped it into her, keiko seemed to be still quite wet with her natural juices.

what followed next was not a gfeish encounter, but wild crazy sweaty psycho panting pounding animalistic sex. switching positions. rolling all over the bed. our sweat, her juices soaked the sheets. it was the kind of sex one might expect to have with a heterosexual girl from the wnba or the brazilian women's volleyball team. keiko is a savage; a monster fuck on steroids. it was somewhat surprising as keiko is a tall athletic but sweet-looking j-girl. in hindsight, it shouldn't have been a complete surprise.

keiko seemed to have one or two more os and when i came, our tall athletic bodies collapsed in a entangled steamy heap. competition brings out the best in some people and sport legends are made when some perform at their best when their competitors are top notch. keiko brought me to an elevated level. i felt like a college boy again and it showed. i wanted to pound on my chest and howl like tarzan.

keiko seemed to read my mind as she sweetly whispered, "yon-ju-san sai desu ka? usouuu! tabun ni-ju-san sai desu." ("you're 43? lair! you seem more like 23.")

from that day forward, things only seemed to get better. i became acquainted with every inch of keiko's body. i firmly believe it is every bit as good as the girls i see in lingerie newspaper ads for macy's or the girls in commercials for victoria's secret. still, at 180 cm, keiko might be slightly too short for runway modeling.

as is the case with many j-girls, keiko seemed to possess many of the positive free-spirit qualities embraced by american hippies. however, keiko was much much better than any of the hippie girls i dated in my youth as she had immaculate hygiene; shaved her legs and armpits; and she didn't have any wacko political/fem nazi beliefs.

this had to be a dream . . .

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