FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[M P Lurker]

Thailand is different I think as the scene is so much larger I would think names would be meaningless.
I'm not sure what you mean here by meaningless.

There are guys who would automatically go and try girls that I name as very pretty and good performers, as they know I have similar taste, and there are huge numbers of ordinary girls available but a much smaller percentage of really superior girls for both looks and performance combination.

Some guys have even beaten me to try girls that I named as ones I would like to try based on massage parlour website pictures. So in Thailand ISG publicity has a very significant effect. Perhaps more so than in Frankfurt FKK since some Thai establishments are catering for foreigners only. So then we tend to have several English and some Japanese forums that are relevant.

[Ortos]

O.K. my subtlety/subterfuge whatever was quite useless.
All is exposed...

But these girls are getting quite busy early on on a Saturday evening while Kimi is a relative newbie girl to the Palace (2 months). Of course she is drop dead georgous so its not hard for her to get a guy hooked and must be getting plenty of repeats too. She was good at everything and seems like a nice girl. She comments very favourably on other really nice girls too. Just cannot find anything wrong with her to pick on at all. I have to rate Kimi slightly higher than Bee for both prettiness and performance at this point but both are really great.


Okay, now that we have clear info on who we are dealing with, a few points both about my dear Kimi, who I really adore:

--I remember reading on this forum a specific report about a Brazilian girl named Kimi. The poster was really pleased and offered a very positive report about her performance in the room. By chance, I read this report a day or two before I happened to visit Palace in early December. Sure enough during that night a nice Brazilian girl came up to me and introduced herself as Kimi. I remembered the report and specific name so I went with her partly on that basis and was well rewarded. See there is great benefit to the community here if we name names...

--The term YMMV is something we must all not loose sight of when reading any report. Case in point: Kimi. I loved her and found her bbbjcim one of the best I'd encountered for a long time. I was entralled. I happened to be at Palace by chance when another great bbbj afficianado was present, the illustrious Radler. I suggested he try Kimi, as I thought imho she was top-notch bbbj material. He did try her and had a generally positive session, but was not overwhelmed by her perfomance the way I and others were. So it just goes to show that given girls do not click, have chemistry with or produce performance reactions equally amongst all FKK-going men. This just a plain and simple axiom that we must all recognise, or ignore at your own risk.

Ortos

[Basketcase]

I was assuming lots of lurking readers living around here that might not ever post anything. Perhaps this is not likely if the local forums are very busy.

Hi Mick Licker,

I suspect the majority lurkers living in Germany are actually German and would more readily read Lustscout, Roemerforum or Rhineforum or even ijsberenforum. There are Germans on this FKK forum as well and they have identified themselves as such.

The Francophones read Youppie.net. I have no idea what the Italiani read but when you are in Palace or Oase it feels like half the place has Italiani for clients. There are girls at Oase that specifically target the Italiani clients - explaining why so many of the Romanians (Ambra and Isabella for example) say they are Italian, and many of the girls from Germany, Hungary (Timea speaks excellent Italian for example), and other Central European countries speak some Italian. The girls seem to love the Italian clients.

I think even the Japanese, Singaporeans, Hong Kong, Taiwanses, mainland Chinese and Indians also have similar dedicated sites to punting and have threads on Germany. Although I think since many read English that they use International Sex Guide as well. I have met a few of these travellers.

Golden Time I estimate the clientele as 50% German, 40% Dutch and 10% other nationalities like French, Belgians, Spanish, British (think squaddies from the Army of the Rhine) and American, etc...

[M P Lurker]

--The term YMMV is something we must all not loose sight of when reading any report. Case in point: Kimi. I loved her and found her bbbjcim one of the best I'd encountered for a long time. I was entralled. I happened to be at Palace by chance when another great bbbj afficianado was present, the illustrious Radler. I suggested he try Kimi, as I thought imho she was top-notch bbbj material. He did try her and had a generally positive session, but was not overwhelmed by her perfomance the way I and others were. So it just goes to show that given girls do not click, have chemistry with or produce performance reactions equally amongst all FKK-going men. This just a plain and simple axiom that we must all recognise, or ignore at your own risk.

Ortos
Yeh O.K. I agree YMMV. Different guys like it done differently. I like soft and slow (relatively), and Kimi just "blew" me away.
Maybe have to rate her blow job slightly below the famous Czech Linda.
Forgot to mention a tight pussy (a little lube did not go totally amiss). Best kisser too which is a massive turn-on for me!

[Basketcase]

I was ripped off for ther first time in last week by a girl who claims to be from Lebanon! Basically I do not care of nationality, but anotehr girl told me she is a Romanian.After that, being nervous I could not recover my libido. Ok this is a typical Palace experience.

Salute West By Sun,

We still have not managed to name your girl at Palace that ripped you off that claimed she was from the Lebanon. At Palace there is a German-Lebanese brunette who has been described as having incredible eyes and her name is Arisha I understand. She got a good review in the report. Is this girl that you refer?

Kimi (Brazil) was also even the thumbs up for Mick Licker's and Ortos' information.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Hi guys. Brethren if I may,

Long time reader, first time poster.

Having had some experience with the FKK scene in the last couple of years through numerous visits to Artemis, I recently decided to check out what's going on in Frankfurt. For my first run of this town, I wanted to try Palace and maybe also Oase. With Frankfurt being a very easy place to reach due to its hub airport, I was booked for a weekend romp.

Day 1

Filled with excitement, I left work by lunch on a Friday and headed straight for the airport. A few hours later I had arrived at the Frankfurt Hbf. My hotel was situated very close to the Hbf, but it took me a little while to find it. This meant I had an interesting walk through the Red Light District. I don't have any experience with the type of places found here. From the impressions I got just walking through, though, I think I'll keep to the clean, friendly and safe atmosphere of an FKK before risking my neck in a RLD as this. Anyhow, I found my hotel soon enough and rested for a short while, rejoicing over the glorious times to come very shortly.

When I go on these trips I'm always a little nervous before going to the club the first time and becoming "acclimatized". So, alcohol it is then! Staying well clear of the dubious Kneipes I'd seen earlier in the RLD, I headed to the area around the Zeil to see if I could find a nice watering hole for a few beers and some Dutch courage. Finding a nice place actually wasn't easy, but after a while I did, where I could relax in the bar and watch the German nightlife begin to unfold. (I couldn't find any place recembling my favourite place in Berlin, the Mommsen Eck, were I always stop by to enjoy great beer (Köstritzer rules! ) and have a good time. Instead there were mostly flashy lounges and restaurants and nothing really "folksy". But I guess that had to do with which part of town I was in.)

After getting a satisfying buzz in my head, both from the beer and from the excitement of the moment, I left the bar and walked the short way to Alte Oper U-Bahn station. From here it was a very quick ride with the U6 (or U7) to the Industiehof station were I got off. Having plotted Palace on the GPS of my phone prior to departure, finding it was a breeze. If you're travelling from the city, just head left over the tracks and road and through that hole in the wall that you'll easily see. Continue straight down the road on the other side of the wall and you'll very soon see a large blue sign for Fleming's Hotel. Palace is just before you get to Fleming's.

I got to Palace and was buzzed in through the gate. The ladies at the front desk asked if it was my first time here, which of course it was. I was given a quick rundown of how things worked at Palace (which was more or less exactly the same as Artemis) and shown the basic facilities. I locked in my valuables in the small locker, took a shower and got changed into my somewhat oversized robe.

Because of the alcohol- and adrenaline combination intoxicating me at the time, my memory is kind of lacking as to my first couple of hours in Palace. I remember having a walkabout of the locales (I'll sum up my impressions at the ending of this report), then settling down in the bar to get an overview of the ladies present. It was sitting in the bar that I spotted my first acquaintance of this trip.

Unknown girl (Lithuanian, 23 yo)

I unfortunately cannot remember the name of first girl I hooked up with, although I think her name begins with an S. She is very petite in height and frame, blonde dyed hair and firm, perky B-cup breasts.

As already mentioned, I spotted this girl while sitting in the bar. She was sitting opposite me, and from a distance she looked like a real stunner. So I thought this would make a good inauguration for me at Palace. I approached her with a "Hi" and we started the usual small talk (what's your name, where are you from, what are you [I. E. Me] doing here Germany etc.) What disappointed me a little as I got close to her, was that her face wasn't as nice as I had gotten the impression of from a distance in the semi-dark. I'd say it was OK, but not more than that. Still, she had a really nice and taut body.

After a short while of this we were heading for a room. I don't remember too much of the session itself, other than it was BBBJ, 69 (free of extra charge) and fucking in different positions. I always love it when these petite girls ride me RCG so I can get a good look of their ass, and this time it was no different. What really subtracted from the session, however, was that rather quickly I got the feeling that she was in a rush. This was confirmed when I finished (I don't recall whether it was while fucking or if she was using a hand and mouth combo) and she seemed to hardly be able to get out of the room quickly enough, even though we were well clear of the 30 minutes limit. There was no time for any cuddling or chit-chat afterwards, but I did learn the interesting trivia that she has a German boyfriend who knows what she is doing and is fine with it, which she told me more or less out of the blue while gathering the sheets and putting on her ultra-mini skirt and shoes.

So we went to the lockers and I paid her € 50. The session felt far too rushed for me to say it was money well spent. The girl was nice enough in bed but nothing special and certainly not very passionate. I wouldn't repeat.

Having showered, I resituated to the relaxation area behind the bar to let my dick and balls recuperate for the next one. After maybe an hour or an hour and a half, I felt ready for more action.

Roxanna (Lithuanian or Estonian, see pt. II of this report, 29 yo IIRC)

Roxanna has rather long, blonde (dyed I guess) hair, large bolt-ons, a great bubble gum butt and also a very nice face. She has three small tattoos, one on her stomach and two on her back I think it was.

I think I met this girl in the bar area, immediately being drawn to her by her good looks. I begin chatting with her, and she tells me she is from Lithuania. Turns out she speaks some "svenska" (Swedish that is) because her sister lives there. I start fondling her great tits and ask if should find some place to sit down together. We relocate to one of the sofas in the "waiting area" right behind that large swinging couch. She sits down besides me, leaning over towards me so that her farther leg is resting over my nearer thigh (if you get the picture). I continue fondling her breasts and caressing her body and eventually pussy, my dick coming to full attention out through the robe as she caresses me all over before starting to jerk me off very softly. While all this hand labour is going on, we have some really intimate DFK where she likes to stick her tongue deep into my mouth and let me suck on it for a long time. This makes incredibly horny and after 5-10 minutes I'm thinking "By the mother of god, I need to fuck this girl right now! " I ask that we go to a room now, so she fetches a key and off we go, me trying to press my throbbing member up against my stomach as we go so that it doesn't protrude from my robe.

When we get to the room, I quickly get out of my robe and help Roxanna spread out the bed sheet. I lay down full with anticipation for what's to come. She doesn't join me right away, instead doing a little tease by turning her back to me, bending over with legs straight and together and wriggle out of that "skirt"-thing she is wearing, which must be all of 10 cm long. This gives me a fantastic view of her bubbly butt and thick (if that's the right word) pussy lips. I compliment her ass, which she thinks is too fat, which I tell her is nonsense.

Then we start with the real fun with BBBJ, 69 and fucking in three of four different positions. This is just pure bliss. One of my fondest memories of this trip is fucking Roxanna doggy-style and having her turn her head so we can enjoy some passionate DFK while still going at it like crazy. To finish me off she rides me RCG. Watching that great ass bouncing against me and those lucious pussy lips consume my cock, as well as looking in the mirror to get a sideways view of those big tits bouncing up and down, is something I can jerk off to the memory of for a long time to come. Eventually I have an incredible orgasm inside her (condom of course).

Then it's time to clean up and leave. I'm a bit disappointed that Roxanna doesn't seem to be in the mood for a little chi-chat afterwards, so we're out of there rather quickly, although far from as hurriedly as with the first girl. (It would be a whole different matter day 2, when Roxanna seemed much more relaxed.) We go to the lockers and I pay her € 50, barely resisting the temptation of handing her a tip. Then it's a shower and more rest.

As closing time begins to loom I'm sitting in the bar with my back to the coin-op machines, figuring I should go for one more pop before calling it a night. At the opposite end of the bar, I had previously noticed a congregation of hot blondes more or less holding court there. I had surmised that this was the Czech clique I had read about on this forum. Now there's only one of them present, so I stroll over to her and introduce myself. She introduces herself as Evelina (which would become Lina by tomorrow) and quite correctly she's from the Czech Republic.

Evelina aka Lina (or Lena or Leena) (Czech Republic, 26 yo IIRC)

Evelina is as mentioned a blonde. She has a really nice face, but probably not as super tight body as the two other Czech girls I learned the names of, Angelina and Gina. Her breasts are large and natural. We do some small talk and of course we agree that we should have some fun together. I ask her what she can offer me in the room, and she says she she'll do anal and CIM. OK, but for now I was thinking a bit more prosaic, like kissing and licking. She says she doesn't do kissing and I can't remember what she said about DATY.

As we're talking I begin to fondle her breasts and stroke her thighs. She responds by stroking my chest and then letting her hand wander down to my dick. Soon enough we find ourselves in a room. I lay back and she quickly gets my already semi-hard cock to full attention with a fantastic BBBJ (she actually asked if I wanted to be blown with a condom, which of course I didn't). Then she puts on a condom and mounts and rides me for a while. It's been a long day and I'm too tired for any positions where I have to do the work, and she is getting tired from riding my cock, so I ask if she can finish me off with a BJ. She happily obliges by dismounting me, pulling off the condom and, placing herself between my legs, starts give me one of the best suck jobs I've ever had. She asks if I want to come in her mouth and I reply that we'll just wait and see. She says OK, but I'll have to let her know beforehand if I don't want to, or else it is € 50 extra if I'm to do it "accidentally". This is fair business practice in my eyes. Being sure that the customer knows (as if I didn't) but not trying to push anything on me.

After a while of this blissful activity, I feel the twitching of an orgasm begin. I let her know that it's time and that I would like to come in her mouth. She doesn't reply but just keeps sucking, increasing the intensity a notch or two. Whoooo, is it a wonderful feeling to just let go into a chicks mouth like that! I doubt there are many fortunate enough to have a wife or girlfriend who lets them do that to her on a regular basis. As I'm cumming in her mouth, Evelina starts a bit of a giggle, but keeps on sucking at the same time. When I'm done (and in a moment of inattentiveness my load is gone from her mouth; I don't know if she swallowed it or spat it out, and I'm not coarse enough to ask) she tells my why she started to giggle: It was like an explosion in her mouth, she says, as I kept cumming and cumming. Actually this is a fun "skill" that I have, being able to deliver Peter North-esque loads, and many girls have commented on it through the years.

Afterwards we cuddle and talk for a short while. She tells me how she much prefers to do BJs to fucking, because it feels much nicer for her with the skin-on-skin, instead of a piece of rubber going into her. She also tells me she's spent the last six months or so at Artemis, doing a lot of tag team work with that dark haired Bulgarian girl named Rene, with whom I've done business quite a few times myself. (Has anyone tried this duo? Would love to get some reporting on that.) She must have been absent the times I've been at Artemis lately, or I would surely have noticed her. We talk a little bit about Artemis compared to Palace and run through who we know and don't know in that Berlin sin hole.

So then it's time to leave. We go to the lockers and I pay her € 100 as we promise to see each other tomorrow for some more fun. She kisses me goodnight on my cheek, I take a quick shower and leave. There's lots of taxis waiting outside, so getting back to the hotel is easy (I'm too unfamiliar with the town to attempt to walk back. In Berlin. Especially if it's in the warmer parts of the year. I really enjoy that half hour walk down the Ku'damm to my hotel as the city is just coming to life, looking forward to getting some sleep and feeling vigorous and happy after a night of fucking beautiful girls.)

So one day gone, one and a half more to come.

To be continued.

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[Gergiev]

RLD: Frankfurt has one and it is huge, Berlin none. Advantage Frankfurt.

Strassenstrich: Berlin has a better street scene. Advantage Berlin.

FKK Clubs: Berlin has one (wait, one and a half if you give half a point to La Folie), Frankfurt has three big ones which are a must for the tourist plus a couple of neighboring minor clubs. Advantage Frankfurt.

Wohnungspuffs: Berlin takes the cake. There is such variety. All offering discretion. Go find Angus's posts under the Germany thread. Advantage Berlin.

Sexkinos: This is a Berlin specialty. Sleazy but its good to wallow in sleaze every now and then. Advantage Berlin.

Partytreffs: Hessen's PTs don't measure up. The best are in NRW or further north in OWL. Berlin has one: Pussyclub in Schoenefeld but I've not been yet. Advantage NRW.

Paerchenclubs, Swingerclubs: This is an area I am fuzzy on. Maybe someone else who follows this forum can fill this section in (Iseeu? Are you out there?)

High Kultur (Museums, Philharmoniker, etc...) : This isn't even close. Advantage Berlin

Luft: Advantage Berliner Luft

Schnauze: Advantage Berliner Schnauze

The Alternative Scene: Advantage Berlin

Multi Kulti Szene: Advantage Berlin

Charm: Advantage Berlin

Cuisine: Berlin claims to be the birthplace of the Currywurst. It is, of course, home to the Berliner. (This is what some folks think JFK was referring to when he said in his Bahstan accent: "Ich bin ein Berliner." His grammar was a bit off. )

Shoppen: Go visit KaDeWe, specifically the Feinschmeckersetage, in Berlin. Advantage Berlin.

Cafes: Cafe Einstein. Its like a scene out of a movie on cafe life. Its like everyone is posing for some unseen cinematographer. Of course, if you really want to indulge in the cafe scene, best to go to Vienna. My favorite in Vienna: Cafe Oberlaa. But I digress. Advantage Vienna.


...and seeing as it's a little discussed subject in this section...

Escorts: For some reason Vienna seems to operate like a finishing school for escorts, perhaps a legacy of the old Fin-de-Siecle charm and courtesy of the Hapsburg empire. As noted once or twice on the Austrian forum, Schmetterlingen from reputed agencies invariably turn up gepflegt, schoen and charmant...and then proceed to do 'what it says on the tin' at manageable prices and with a smile on their face. Recommended agencies include Liebeselfen, Queenofescort, Pink and Traum Escorts. Advantage Vienna...

...and finally, a spin-off from above...

Stundenhotels: Hotel Orient takes the laurels here, an establishment that hasn't changed much in a century or so, either in appearance or policy. Advantage Vienna...

[Jackyo]

...and seeing as it's a little discussed subject in this section...

Escorts: For some reason Vienna seems to operate like a finishing school for escorts, perhaps a legacy of the old Fin-de-Siecle charm and courtesy of the Hapsburg empire. As noted once or twice on the Austrian forum, Schmetterlingen from reputed agencies invariably turn up gepflegt, schoen and charmant...and then proceed to do 'what it says on the tin' at manageable prices and with a smile on their face. Recommended agencies include Liebeselfen, Queenofescort, Pink and Traum Escorts. Advantage Vienna...

...and finally, a spin-off from above...

Stundenhotels: Hotel Orient takes the laurels here, an establishment that hasn't changed much in a century or so, either in appearance or policy. Advantage Vienna...
I have a thing for Vienna, I have to admit.

It does have a decadent fin de siecle quality to it and I do find the women's accents charming. And believe it or not, they do speak Hoch Deutsch, just with a lighter, lilting accent.

I am destined to spend more time there in the future as I have very dear Austrian friends. They, of course, can't understand my obsession with trips to NRW.

I'll put these on a list for next time but its hard to get away when I'm there in a supervised visit. That plus the pricing which is higher than in the big brother to the north put me in an abstinence mode when I am that far south.

Years ago I indulged in Kabinensex there. Sleazy like you wouldn't believe it. The chick sat behind a plexiglass wall and there was a number of holes in the wall so you had somewhat limited contact.

[M P Lurker]

Kimi (Brazil) was also even the thumbs up for Mick Licker's and Ortos' information.

Cheers,

Basketcase
el Basketcase,

I see you took my hint and got your handle shortened. I might change too. I like "Honey Licker" but a bit long so maybe just "H Licker". Was it easy to change?

[Basketcase]

el Basketcase,

I see you took my hint and got your handle shortened. I might change too. I like "Honey Licker" but a bit long so maybe just "H Licker". Was it easy to change?

Hey Honey Licker,

Kein problem. You just send an email to Jackson using the "contact us" function at the bottom of each screen saying "I want to change my user name" and then wait for the acknowledgement email to arrive at your registered email address since we need to check if its really you changing your name and a link is given that allows you to change your user name to something else within certain guidelines given.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Gergiev]

I have a thing for Vienna, I have to admit.

It does have a decadent fin de siecle quality to it and I do find the women's accents charming. And believe it or not, they do speak Hoch Deutsch, just with a lighter, lilting accent.

I am destined to spend more time there in the future as I have very dear Austrian friends. They, of course, can't understand my obsession with trips to NRW.

I'll put these on a list for next time but its hard to get away when I'm there in a supervised visit. That plus the pricing which is higher than in the big brother to the north put me in an abstinence mode when I am that far south.

Years ago I indulged in Kabinensex there. Sleazy like you wouldn't believe it. The chick sat behind a plexiglass wall and there was a number of holes in the wall so you had somewhat limited contact.

Actually I'd go as far as to say that Little Sister has everything that Big Brother has but as with many things Austrian you have to dig a little below the surface to find it all...and it is a fair way further and a little bit dearer...sometimes but not always...

Best value on the escort scene is Traum Escort...many satisfied Kunden on erotikforum.at...€109/Stunde Full Service incl Taxi and next hour 70, ie 2 hour date (all in) = €179!

Beat that Big Brother...

[Chicafan]

Best value on the escort scene is Traum Escort...many satisfied Kunden on erotikforum.at...€109/Stunde Full Service incl Taxi and next hour 70, ie 2 hour date (all in) = €179!
I love escort services. Just for fun I took a look at Traum. Interestingly they don't post pics of the girls but rather ask you to email for pictures. I emailed and asked for pics of all the girls, we'll see if they respond, I have a feeling they want you to request specific girls and won't send me their "catalogue".

[West By Sun]

At Palace there is a German-Lebanese brunette who has been described as having incredible eyes and her name is Arisha I understand. She got a good review in the report. Is this girl that you refer?



Salut BC

Aren't you in London anymore?

Yes. But I think her name is Aisha. It seems some guys are happy with her, so I did not say her name. I am wondering that it was a chemistry matter or not. Anyway it is true I payed unreasonable money for 20 minute cold session. I did not finish. She is always with two Romanian girls. The shorter one, brunette Alida, is my forever princess.

I cannot think Aisha always has good reviews in seeing the follow posts. And if she has something incredible, it is not her eyes but her boobs.

ex 1) negative review

On my first visit a young girl named Aisha (?) hit on me at the bar right after I had ordered my first drink. She said she was from Morocco, had a nice, if slightly plump body with natural Cs which quickly turned me on. Usually I hang around a bit to watch the selection, but that time I went to a room with her quite fast - though I should have known it better: The service was very automatic, lacking any interest. (I've seen people investing more passion in washing their car.) So I got over with it quite fast. Service level: 2, Will definitely not repeat.

ex 2) positive review

I had not cum in about a week so I did not expect to last long on my first round and I went with a pretty but slightly chunky Hungarian girl called Aisha who claimed she had only been on the job for 5 days. DFK, DATY and she gave a pretty good blow job -- so much so that one of the few times that I could cum from that. She then asked for extra for CIM but I refused and said that she should have made that clear up front and I would have warned her. But she is pleasant if you like heavier girls and has a very pretty face and if you make things clear I think you would have a good experience.

Cheers,
WBS

[West By Sun]

the last time I saw Bee (November) she told me she would visit her homeland in
January & February. She normally comes back late February/early March.



To Bee's funs(I am not the one),

She was at Palace on last Friday night.

I had two sessions with Russian Juliette. She was nice. But as general lineup, that was far from the tip-top or something like that for my taste. The best girl was a blonde girl with glasses(very thin, very short hair, nationality unknonw). Sadly she was working in the bar.

WBS

[Jackyo]

Actually I'd go as far as to say that Little Sister has everything that Big Brother has but as with many things Austrian you have to dig a little below the surface to find it all...and it is a fair way further and a little bit dearer...sometimes but not always...

Best value on the escort scene is Traum Escort...many satisfied Kunden on erotikforum.at...€109/Stunde Full Service incl Taxi and next hour 70, ie 2 hour date (all in) = €179!

Beat that Big Brother...
... to get away from my Austrian hosts the next time I am in Vienna.

I've been promised a tour of underground Vienna the next time, a la "Third Man". Plus a cemetery tour too.

The Viennese are obsessed with their cemeteries, not to mention their cafes, opera, waltzes and der Kaiser, Franz Josef.

[Gergiev]

... to get away from my Austrian hosts the next time I am in Vienna.

I've been promised a tour of underground Vienna the next time, a la "Third Man". Plus a cemetery tour too.

The Viennese are obsessed with their cemeteries, not to mention their cafes, opera, waltzes and der Kaiser, Franz Josef.

...in that case you should definitely find an excuse (LOL!) to check out the Stundenhotel I mentioned - The Orient Hotel - which features in the film...

www.hotelorient.at

What further incentive do you need, old boy ???

[Gergiev]

I love escort services. Just for fun I took a look at Traum. Interestingly they don't post pics of the girls but rather ask you to email for pictures. I emailed and asked for pics of all the girls, we'll see if they respond, I have a feeling they want you to request specific girls and won't send me their "catalogue".

Actually they do.

Here's what one happy man reported...

[QUOTE=Ravein2]

http://www.traum-escort.at

Reasonably priced agency, with an efficient and friendly woman answering the phone (and answering e-mails). Had sessions with Anita and Melissa, and both nights were very satisfying.

Anita is a doll, and we had quite a funny start to our evening. She did not find the elevators in my hotel and asked reception, who then course called me in my room… So suddenly I get a call saying that “my wife is waiting for me, and should they send her up?”… One minute later this beautiful young woman knocks on my door, and I welcome her as my wife!:-)

So this was a great ice-breaker and we had an immediate relaxed atmosphere between us. Spent a long time chatting, sharing some wine, she is friendly and funny to be around. When we finally relocated to the bed my enjoyment of the evening continued. She was very passionate and gave me as close to a GFE as we can expect in this sport. I had originally booked Anita for 2 hours (E110+70), but had such a nice time that I asked her to stay another hour.

The next evening Anita was busy, so I booked Melissa from the same agency. This time the knock on my door was not preceded by a call from reception :-). Melissa was another success-story for me, as she also was a very friendly and open person to be around. Again we spent quite a long time chatting about this, that and the other. I must say that the chatting part was what I wanted, both with Melissa and Anita, I got the impression that they were quite willing to get nekkid whenever I felt like it.

So after a while I felt it was time to get closer, and we did. Melissa looks good facewise, but her real asset is the body… It is hot!, with fantastic, natural, Bs. We had another great time together (Ok, at least I had a great time…),and I was well and truly satisfied when our time (2 hours) was up. Melissa did provide a very nice GFE from the moment she walked in until she left me.

So two encounters with “traum-escorts”, and two very positive nights. The agency’s web-site is a bit basic - no pictures of the women, but they will send pictures on e-mail. I will definitely be in touch with them again on my next visit to Vienna!

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[Dreams]

Actually they do.

Here's what one happy man reported...

[QUOTE=Ravein2]

http://www.traum-escort.at

Reasonably priced agency, with an efficient and friendly woman answering the phone (and answering e-mails). Had sessions with Anita and Melissa, and both nights were very satisfying.

Anita is a doll, and we had quite a funny start to our evening. She did not find the elevators in my hotel and asked reception, who then course called me in my room… So suddenly I get a call saying that “my wife is waiting for me, and should they send her up?”… One minute later this beautiful young woman knocks on my door, and I welcome her as my wife!:-)

So this was a great ice-breaker and we had an immediate relaxed atmosphere between us. Spent a long time chatting, sharing some wine, she is friendly and funny to be around. When we finally relocated to the bed my enjoyment of the evening continued. She was very passionate and gave me as close to a GFE as we can expect in this sport. I had originally booked Anita for 2 hours (E110+70), but had such a nice time that I asked her to stay another hour.

The next evening Anita was busy, so I booked Melissa from the same agency. This time the knock on my door was not preceded by a call from reception :-). Melissa was another success-story for me, as she also was a very friendly and open person to be around. Again we spent quite a long time chatting about this, that and the other. I must say that the chatting part was what I wanted, both with Melissa and Anita, I got the impression that they were quite willing to get nekkid whenever I felt like it.

So after a while I felt it was time to get closer, and we did. Melissa looks good facewise, but her real asset is the body… It is hot!, with fantastic, natural, Bs. We had another great time together (Ok, at least I had a great time…),and I was well and truly satisfied when our time (2 hours) was up. Melissa did provide a very nice GFE from the moment she walked in until she left me.

So two encounters with “traum-escorts”, and two very positive nights. The agency’s web-site is a bit basic - no pictures of the women, but they will send pictures on e-mail. I will definitely be in touch with them again on my next visit to Vienna!

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Please post all those interesting reports on the Vienna thread. Those looking for Vienna's info will unlikely think of looking at the Palace thread, and we, Palace lurkers, are not too interested in Vienna's news...

[M P Lurker]

Hey Honey Licker,

Kein problem. You just send an email to Jackson using the "contact us" function at the bottom of each screen saying "I want to change my user name" and then wait for the acknowledgement email to arrive at your registered email address since we need to check if its really you changing your name and a link is given that allows you to change your user name to something else within certain guidelines given.

Cheers,

Basketcase
Basketcase,

Thanks for the advice. Went from "M Licker" to "Honey Licker" to "H Licker" to "Y Diner" and finally settled on a very innocuous "Soap Fan". I'm stuck with it for 6 months so hope I don't get bored with it too quickly.

The ex ML

[Checkers1]

Has anyone seen Sydney (Cindy) from Slovakia recently? She is on the Palace Website (pictures 3,6,9,10,11).

Thanks

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Day 2

On Saturday I had a stroll down the Zeil hoping that a combination of the January sales and the financial crisis could get me some bargains. Alas, the Audemars Piguet watch I've always wanted was still at € 142.000 which is a bit steep. Becoming bored with the window shopping, I had a hearty combination of lunch and dinner at a café close to the Alte Oper. Having broken the tension the previous night, there was no need for any more alcohol, so I headed straight for Palace, again from the Alte Oper U-Bahn station (I had by now decided that I liked Palace so much I wouldn't bother taking the longer trip to Oase this time around, although I hope I get to visit some time in the future.)

I can't remember exactly when I got to Palace, but it probably was 7-ish. I got changed and took a shower and, now being familiar with the establishment, had a quick walkabout to see if there were any girls I fancied. Not finding anyone that I wanted to go with right now, I figured it might be a little bit early still. Feeling tired from walking all day, I decided to have a rest and wait for more girls to arrive.


Denisa (Poland, can't remember age, guessing about 25)

This girl approached me when I was lying down in the relaxation area just behind the bar. She's rather tall and skinny, B-cup breasts, dirty blond hair, two small piercings in her face and a slightly hooked nose.

She started talking to me and at first I wasn't interested, and was prepared to give her the short dismissal "Not now" (which usually means "Never"), the reason being mainly that I didn't think much of her looks. When the girls are as tall as she was, I prefer that they larger breasts than was the case with Denisa. Also her face was OK, but nothing special. So I was rather apathetic to her at first, but she persisted by sitting down by my side as I was laying and started to talk rather freely about herself. She told me she was a professional masseuse and that she was doing this work to have enough money to start her own studio. She asked me if I wanted a massage and I replied that would be nice, but maybe a bit later. So she just kept on talking without mentioning sex or anything like it. I got the impression that she was a very positive and cordial girl, and the opposite of many of the girls who come over to you and say "Hi baby, want to have sex", then continue and say exactly the same thing to the guy next to you when you rebuff them. By talking to me in this open and engaged way, this girl convinced me that I should set aside my visual inhibitions, because of her personality. So I relented and told her I wanted that massage now. Off to the room we went. Little did I know there and then that there was a Great White lurking just beneath the surface.

I began to suspect something might be awry when - either just before or right after we got to the room - she informed me that the massage was € 50 extra. OK, maybe she is right about that, I don't know. In any case, I figure that since she is a professional, it will probably be worth it still. I got undressed and laid down in bed, eager for my massage. But now she needed to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), so she told me to stay put as she was gone for about 5 minutes. When she comes back, I turn over on my belly, she places a towel over my lower back and straddles over the towel, starting to massage me. Probably a minute into the massage she mentions all the extras that are on offer. She stops to massage me to fetch that ridiculously illustrated menu to show me, even though I have expressed no interest in this whatsoever. Then she begins to explain what she likes: she likes it when the man spends a long time with her, she likes it when she can do a dildo-show for the man, she likes it when the man comes in her mouth (oh, and all of these are € 50 extra each BTW), she even likes it when the man gives her a tip(!). I'm completely disinterested in all of this and just trying to appreciate my massage, but that is constantly being interrupted by her pointing to the "menu", constant nagging about extras and I don't know what other distractions. All in all this is becoming a very unenjoyable affair. I know I'm already in this with € 100, but I'm sure as hell not going to use any more on this woman.

By now I've figured that if I go as much as one minute over 30, Denisa will definitely charge me another € 50 without batting an eyelid. Being very conscious about the time, I tell her that I've had enough massage and that we now should get to the sex. Of course she asks if we can stay longer because that's what she likes. I say no. Would I like a dildo-show - it's only € 50? "NO!" OK, so she makes me turn over on my back, removes the towel she was sitting on and straddles my stomach, face towards my dick. Now she's going to give me a "Russian massage", which is nothing more than a hand job. I got to hand it to her (pun intended), she does a give a really good HJ, using moisturizer cream instead of the regular lubricants. This allows for a firmer grip. Still, this is something I can do much better myself than any girl. Also, this treatment is quickly getting me to the edge of coming. I tell her to stop because I'm ready to come, and that I want some sucking and fucking before that happens. She continues to to jerk and I actually have to grab her arms and pull them away from my dick. I get the impression that she is wilfully trying to finish me off with the HJ, so she won't have to do any more work. Besides, I know that if I come in this position, I'm going to hit this girl with a massive load. And one tiny speck of sperm on this lady, and it's an extra € 50, you can bet your life on it. She eases up on the jerking, puts on a condom and starts to blow me covered, without asking if that's what I want (although, to be fair my dick is by now full of moisturizer, so I really can't blame her for not wanting that in her mouth). After a short and unremarkable CBJ, she gets on top of me and rides me CG. But of course she has to cheat. She does so by grabbing my cock by the base and jerk the bottom part while fucking the top part. This I guess is just another trick to make me come as quickly as possible (she's probably realized by now that it won't be an extended session anyways). While riding me she keeps repeating "Oh, your penis is so big". This would mostly be funny, if it wasn't so apocryphal and annoying. I guess my dick is average, so for this lady - who's probably seen hundreds or even thousands of dicks in her life - to call it big is by any standard just plainly ridiculous. So it's just another sham to try to earn a hefty tip, easily seen for what it is by everyone but the most naive or desperate for assurance. In any case, after maybe five minutes of the combined fucking and jerking I blast my load in the condom inside her. At least that always feels good, regardless of the quality of the rest of the session.

Now I've got what I came for, so I end the seance abruptly, making sure she doesn't fool me to stay just past the 30 minutes mark. We leave the room and go to the lockers. When I'm about to hand her the not-so-well-deserved € 100 she impertinently asks for a tip. I answer with a firm, simple and rebuffing "No". She takes the money and heads to the female locker room without much of a goodbye, which, I must admit, I couldn't care less about. If I never see this girl again it'll be too soon (actually I see her a couple of times later in the evening, but there's no exchange of pleasantries).

So just what this session so terrible? The fact that she openly and unashamedly showed that the only thing that mattered to her, was to try to make as much money on me as possible, and that she kept it up throughout the session, even though I wasn't interested. I know these girls do it for the money, and not (primarily) because they feel an overwhelming urge to please men, or themselves for that matter. However, most of them at least have a very basic idea of being in a service occupation, hence they understand that a satisfied customer is good for business, and they perform accordingly. Some, like Denisa, don't understand this. Instead they live by the theory that press-ganging the customers is what will make them the most money. To put it simply, we as customers pay good money as it is, and we shouldn't' have to put up with this shit!

Having paid Denisa, I take a shower and then get my MP3 player from my locker. I head to the relaxation area in the back, where they show the soft core, to try to revive myself after that vicious shark attack. I set my player on random and of all the thousands of songs, one of the very first songs to be played is Maiden's "22 Acacia Avenue". The irony lifts my spirits somewhat. I doze of and listen to music for maybe an hour and a half. When Social Distortion's "Pleasure Seeker" gets played, I take this as a sign to get back in the game now. I get up and head to the bar.


Roxanna (again)

So coming into the main area I spot Roxanna standing in the stairs to the left. Great, she's exactly what I need now! I hurry over to where she's standing. As I start going up the stairs, some other girl is coming down them and in between Roxanna and I. She probably notice how eager I seem and thinks I'm heading for her. She stops, smiles and go "Hi..." She doesn't get any further before I give her a quick nod and then gently but maybe somewhat impolitely brush her aside. She now realizes I wasn't going for her, gives me another smile and then leaves me to my business. Roxanna has had her eyes somewhere else and hasn't noticed me approach. I brush her arm gently to get her attention (she's standing one or two steps over me), she recognizes me from yesterday and we exchange some very short pleasantries before I start feeling up her tits and she bends down to give me some great DFK. We stand in the stairs kissing and petting for a few minutes and then head for a room. All the rooms are taken for now, so we sit down in one of the sofas in the back to wait, still fondling and caressing each other. These waiting sessions are in themselves a great experience if you're with a girl who will happily indulge you. After a while a room is free.

In the room it's much the same fun as yesterday and she does that incredibly arousing tease when pulling of her skirt. I lay down and let her kiss me all over my body, zeroing more and more in on my cock. She rubs my dick between her breasts while squeezing them (I guess I'm titty fucking her, but she is doing all the work). This is nice, but would have been even better if her chest was a little lubed up. Then follows BBBJ with her positioning her butt so that I can get a great view of it in the mirror while she's blowing me, some 69 and fucking in multiple positions. Fantastic stuff and so infinitely more passionate than with Denisa earlier!

It's not been too long since I came last time, so I'm having trouble coming with the rubber on. I ask that we finish with a hand and mouth combo. She removes the condom and starts to blow me again, while placing herself so that I can play with her pussy. She has a terrific set of tits and it would really turn me on to hose them down. I ask how much that would be. Luckily she says it's free of charge (that € 50 price tag on this extra is a fucking joke BTW). I get up to my knees with Roxanna lying prone, but with her head raised so she can continue to suck me. Just as I'm starting to come, I take control by grabbing my dick out of her mouth, squeeze it for a moment or two to build up pressure and the unleash a satisfying load all over her luscious breasts. When I'm drained, I use my dick to rub my cum over her breasts, porn-style (I realize that this probably wouldn't be nice to know for the next guy to suck on her nipples...) Roxanna then pets my dick a little as I praise her for another great session.

I've lost track of time by now, but I believe we've passed 30 minutes and the some. She says she doesn't care because she's not one of those clock watchers who raise hell if its a few minutes over time, scaring off customers with their bad behaviour (her words). I compliment her for being a stand up gal, as well as being great looking, and we leave the room.

As we're leaving the room, the topic of nationality somehow arises today also, but now Roxanna is rather bizarrely claiming to be Estonian, without giving any reason why she suddenly has changed her nationality overnight. If she really is Estonian, does this mean that Lithuanian girls supposedly have a better name to them than the Estonian ones, so that she is reluctant to give away her true nationality? (This, as a digression, reminds me of my time with the great Celina of Artemis, who is Lithuanian, but who on our first meeting claimed to be Swedish. Being Scandinavian myself, this was immediately revealed as the subterfuge that it was. She then claimed that she was careful not to divulge her true nationality because she didn't want any countrymen of hers who happened to be visiting to know where she was from. My guess though, is that some (blond) girls who think they can get away with it, claim to be Scandinavian because they think it has a more "exotic" sound to it than being EE, which of course is the ethnic group that dominates the FKK universe on the working side. As for Celina, I couldn't care less where she's from as she is definitely one of the both nicest and most beautiful working girls I've ever met, and I've repeated with her many times since.)

OK, maybe I should get back on track...

Roxanna and I get to the lockers and I pay her € 60, which includes a € 10 tip for being over time and letting me come on her tits without that grotesquely overpriced standard COB surcharge. She tells me she wont be working tomorrow because Sunday is usually a slow day. We then kiss each other goodbye. I just hope to holy hell that I haven't seen the last of this girl!

I head for the bar to get something to drink. Here I bump into Evelina, who asks whether I'm ready to come with her. I tell her, sincerely, that I've been looking forward to a session with her all day, but right now isn't a good time. I need to recharge my batteries first, as I've just been to a room. She tells me: "OK, so I meet you in this spot in one hour." Presumptuously, I agree to this. The problem is that I'm beginning to feel under the weather and really drained of energy (as would be evident the next day, I was coming down with a severe cold). I go to the rest area in the back to lay down, listen to music and watch incredibly boring soft core porn. The hour passes quickly and I go back to the bar.


Evelina (again)

Sure enough, Evelina shows up a few minutes or so after me. We share some small talk and I start feeling up her body. She does the same to me. When she gets to my cock, I'm not getting the reaction I should. Of course I'm being aroused, so I should anticipate some semi-stiffness. Instead it feels pretty limp. Now I'm getting concerned that I might have chewed off more than I can swallow.

Yet, we head for a room and I get out of my robe and lay down. After a little exposure to her fantastic BJ-skills, Evelina soon has me hard as rock and I'm thinking "Great, problem solved!" After a while, Evelina puts on a condom and mounts me for some CG-action. This is when good things start to go bad. Evelina has ridden me for maybe a few minutes when I begin to feel some drooping tendencies. She also senses this and asks if I would like to change position. So I get her on all four and start to bang her doggy-style. Still the withering continues. I apologize and explain that I just feel physically exhausted, which is true. She tells me not no worry, has me lay down, removes the condom and begins to suck my by now more or less dead member. Unfortunately, even her sensational mouth can't do a Lazarus on my cock now. Becoming increasingly frustrated, I now have one option of last resort left - it is the nuclear option: I have to jerk myself off. This really feels as a defeat, being with a beautiful and friendly girl and having to turn to self-gratification like this. I start to tug my dick while Evelina is nibbling my ear an nipples and stroking my chest. Still my dick is dead as a dodo. Even the nuclear option is failing! Eventually Evelina asks me if I think I will be able to finish. If so, she will happily stay with me. If not, maybe we should toss in the towel. I tell her that given enough time, I'll always manage a pop, but it will be a forced exercise and not much fun. So we agree to call it a night. Evelina tells me that she is a little unhappy with the turn of events, but she understands and it's a not too uncommon occurrence.

We go to the lockers and I pay Evelina her € 50 (actually I might have added a tenner just because I was feeling so abashed). She says she'll be working tomorrow too, starting sometime in the afternoon. As my plane leaves Sunday night, this means I'll have time to make a determined resurgence then.

I get in a cab to get me back to my hotel for some much needed rest, feeling rather pissed at myself by the way the evening ended.

Part III - "The Final Showdown" - coming soon...

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[Vito Corleone]

Has anyone seen Sydney (Cindy) from Slovakia recently? She is on the Palace Website (pictures 3,6,9,10,11).

Thanks
Is her name Sydney? I always thought it was Cindy. I must have thought Cindy as I was focusing on her great bolt-ons! She was there in early Dec. She seems to always work on Fri & Sat. On & off during the rest of the week.

[Checkers1]

Is her name Sydney? I always thought it was Cindy. I must have thought Cindy as I was focusing on her great bolt-ons! She was there in early Dec. She seems to always work on Fri & Sat. On & off during the rest of the week.Thanks. Her name is indeed Sydney. You are right she was there in early December but hasn't been seen since. What do you think of her? If anyone sees her at Palace please post it in this thread.

Thank you.

[Ortos]

Day 2

Denisa (Poland, can't remember age, guessing about 25)

This girl approached me when I was lying down in the relaxation area just behind the bar. She's rather tall and skinny, B-cup breasts, dirty blond hair, two small piercings in her face and a slightly hooked nose...


I began to suspect something might be awry when - either just before or right after we got to the room - she informed me that the massage was € 50 extra. OK, maybe she is right about that, I don't know. In any case, I figure that since she is a professional, it will probably be worth it still...

...Now I've got what I came for, so I end the seance abruptly, making sure she doesn't fool me to stay just past the 30 minutes mark. We leave the room and go to the lockers. When I'm about to hand her the not-so-well-deserved € 100 she impertinently asks for a tip. I answer with a firm, simple and rebuffing "No". She takes the money and heads to the female locker room without much of a goodbye, which, I must admit, I couldn't care less about. If I never see this girl again it'll be too soon (actually I see her a couple of times later in the evening, but there's no exchange of pleasantries).





First, you should be commended for taking the time to write and post such a long and detailed report. Complete with names of girls and descriptions, I might add. Bravo! Thanks! Well done!!

There is a major point, however, that needs to be made:

Since when is it 50E extra to receive a massage from a girl during a 30-minute or longer session? It is 100% NOT extra! You seem to have been the victim of a pretty obvious scam here, as she just made up some new rule that you fell for hook-line-sinker. As we've been discussing in detail and in fair length throughout various threads on this board, the only things that are "extra" as in an extra 50E note are: CIM, Anal, etc. Massage, touching, DFK, DATY, talking, caressing, etc. are all part of the standard 50E 30-minute package. It's too bad you were not better informed about this, because you would have been completely within your rights to have refused to pay her any more than 50E for a 30-minute session without extras, which, according to your account is exactly what transpired. In short, she just ripped you off for 50E.

So thanks for bringing this to public attention. I am tempted to find this Denisa next time I visit Palace and let her try her spiel about massage, etc. on me. First, all of us should perhaps ask for a free sample of her massage techniques outside the room, say, on couch or in kino, just to test it. Then if she says it's extra, we should just tell her to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-off! or if you really want to session with her, point to a number of girls around the lounge and say: "But that girl there, and that girl over there, they all give massage as part of the standard package. Why not you?" Or if that doesn't work out: Threaten to go with her to the front desk BEFORE you go to the room to ask the manager if indeed a massage is considered an extra. You watch her back down from that fast... I don't believe massage is on the illustrated card of extras, is it?

By the way: This Denisa is NOT the skinny, petite bleached blonde Denisa from Moldova or Romania (I forget which), who provides a high quality session....

Anyway, just wanted to clarify this.

Thanks again for a super report!

Ortos

[M P Lurker]

Yesterday afternoon the Palace was packed out with Italians, not many locals, and not so many girls. Was there some some of Italian convention going on?

Must have been some non-Italians or inter country communication as I overheard someone say "Where is Bee?" and again "Has anyone seen Bee?" Oh dear, she is getting rather busy. I had better quickly get a timeslot with her.

I got a very nice 1 hour session with her and then a local got another good session with her and then she went home, early. Must have been busy right throughout the day, and now completely sexed out. She doesn't believe in overdoing it and works only 3 days per week I think.

Just before 7PM lots more girls started arriving.

Later had a session with a bubbly cute girl Valentina from Bulgaria. Good kisser. Nice DATY session which she was really into and then very good slow and deep BBBJ. The only drawback was when we changed to fucking, she talked far too much semi-dirty talk in English even though she claimed not to be able to speak English. It comes accross a bit fake I'm afraid which is a bit of turn-off. Pussy not very tight. Highly recommended for BBBJ when she is not able to talk. LOL Might repeat for BBBJ only.

Met a stunning new girl, with narrow semi latin looking face (but nose turned nicely up just a little) and lovely C cups, but a slightly too big bottom called either Sabrina or Sabina from Germany. I didn't get to try her because was still pausing at that time. Maybe next time.

I had been waiting for a girl called Ana/Anna from Moldova who I felt sure was going to be hot in the room. However it seems she had finished and gone home.
My favourite Kimi (Brazil) was missing.

Later tried petite Ruby from Hungary and was a nice 30 min session. Her BBBJ was too fast but she responded to instruction to slow down. Gently fingered her pussy during BJ and discovering she was quite tight. She seemed scared of my dick but I assured her that I am soft and slow. Very enjoyable fuck with very good feeling. Moderate kisser. Would definitely repeat.

Overall the standard seemed slightly down on previous Saturdays, but partly my problem is that there are a small number of stunners that I am not keen to risk a session with until I am more sure of their character. I like to see which girls have good interactions with local regulars first.

[Hessen Bub]

Was there some some of Italian convention going on?


The Italians take low fare carriers from Italy to Frankfurt (Hahn) and spend the whole day there, have even seen them sleeping in front of Palace in mobile homes with Italian licence plates.


Oh dear, she is getting rather busy. I had better quickly get a timeslot with her.

She's always busy when around. Lots of long time clients.


Later tried petite Ruby from Hungary and was a nice 30 min session.

Ruby (formerly Oase) is a good session. And yes, she's from Romania.

HB

[M P Lurker]

Ruby (formerly Oase) is a good session. And yes, she's from Romania.
HB
I said Hello to her. What's your name again (I had forgotten from an intro another day). She said "Ruby" and I said "From Romania, is that right?". She said: "No, from Hungary". Anyway I don't speak Hungarian and said that I have never yet been to Budapest. She asked why not?

Later Ruby said she wasn't so keen on Italians. I asked if their dicks were too big but she said no, its just that they bang too hard like sadists.

[Tuxsmasher]

So I'm a newbie to FKK's, and still haven't decided between palace or Artemis, I've heard some guys here say palace has better looking women, while Artemis is more your average day to day girls, is it true? Cause that's the killer deal for me. And how far is palace from downtown frankfurt? Can you take U bahn?

[Tuxsmasher]

Actually after having read more of the forum, it seems there's alot of negativity around palace, so I'm gonna go with Artimis.

[Ozzy Ozzman]

day 3

waking up on sunday, i could really feel that a cold was coming on. still, i was determined to have one last go at palace. i packed my luggage and left it at the hotel, then went for a little sightseeing. i walked along the main, had a look at the römer then had breakfast/lunch at the same café i'd been to on saturday. with my stomach full i got on the u-bahn at my usual station, the alte oper.

i guess i got to palace at about 2 or 3 o'clock. there was hardly a car in the parking lot and i became at little concerned that the place would be totally dead. i paid my for entrance and was relieved to see that there were at least some people milling about. needing to get some warmth in my body, i went straight for the turkish bath. i sat there for a good long time, letting the steam and heat rejuvenate my kranke body. this, however, lasted just as long as sat in the bath. when i got out to take a shower afterwards, the water was fucking freezing (something that was a general problem my whole time at palace) and it left me a shivering wreck. i got dried up and in my robe, and after a while i was feeling pretty ok.

having ended the saturday on a rather lackluster note, i was hoping to have one more go at evelina, now with at least semi-charged batteries. alas, she was nowhere to be found for now. i decided to just bide my time and resituated to the huge swinging sofa where i could easily observe the trickle of girls arriving to work. here i had to fend off quite a few girls that i didn't fancy, just telling them that i was waiting for a particular girl. that was until i was approached by gina.


gina (czech republic, 22 yo):

gina has been commented on in previous reports. to sum it up, she's a stunningly beautiful girl who's close to a perfect 10 both in the face and body department, i dare say. she's blond, got great (albeit enhanced) tits and a really taut body.

so, as i'm laying in the sofa, gina comes over and lays on top of me, really pressing her body into mine. with her face maybe 10 cm from mine, she introduces herself, and we go through the usual; names, nationalities etc. she asks if i want to spend some time with her. i tell her that i'm waiting for one of her compatriots whom i've met earlier. she says she's the only czech girl present for the moment, so why don't i come with her instead? oh, who the fuck am i kidding? that was a silly thing of me to say anyway. i'm not going to pass on this quintessence of a lovely female! we lay in the sofa for a little while as i'm stroking her body. having read in this forum that some of the czech girls in palace can hit you with a € 50 surcharge just for being a "girlfriend", i ask what's included. suck and fuck is of course the standard € 50 she tells me, but - as could be suspected from reading in this forum - a more affectionate session is double that. however, if you opt for the girlfriend-session, it'll also be more than 30 minutes. it's my last day and i still got a little money to burn, so i'm persuaded to go for the "full" service.

we go to a room and i get undressed. i can't remember what she was wearing, i think it was just a pair of stockings. we start to cuddle, but because of my cold, i tell her i'm not interested in any kissing. she kisses me all over my body instead, getting closer and closer to my dick. she gives me a very good bbbj. i then tell her to straddle my face so i can get at her fantastic pussy for some 69-action. after a while of this, she gets out a condom and puts it on my dick (somewhat brutally if i should be nitpicking). she starts to ride me cg, with her knees on the mattress (as opposed to squatting on her feet, which is something most of these girls seem to do when riding a cock). the way gina is doing it now allows for a much more slow and intimate experience, as she can lean forward and nibble on my ears and such. then it's my turn to do some of the work, as i do her doggy-style and mish. besides feeling great (of course), these positions also provide a spectacular view of gina's ass and face and breasts respectively. we then go for the rcg. i now tell her to squat on my cock (see "discussion" of riding techniques above) and ride the whole length of it with speed and force. she's doing this for some minutes, and just as i tell her i'm about to come, she says that she needs to change position, because her legs are shot. bummer! well, i'm a little spent myself, so i tell her to finish me of with her mouth and hands, though declining her offer to cim. with me on my back, she places herself between my legs and starts to suck. this is good, but when gina starts using her hands as well, i find her skills a bit lacking. she's jerking me much too violently and she's pulling my dick down towards her through her jerking motions, which is a rather uncomfortable direction for an erect dick to be pulled in. i take control for a minute and show her how to do it, while she is sucking and licking on my balls. when i'm getting close to the point of no return, i hand my dick back to her so she can do the final honours. this ends in a really intense orgasm where i hose down my own stomach and chest with a big load, barely managing to duck from an incoming spurt heading for my face. like evelina did a couple of days ago, gina also comments on the amount of cum. she gets out the paper roll and wipes my down.

gina then tells me to turn over for a massage. she proceeds to massage the whole back of my body, from my neck down to my feet, and including my shoulders and arms. as she's doing this,we share some pleasant small-talk. when she's finished with the massage, it's (sadly) time to leave. i lost track of the time, but the session definitely lasted more than 30 minutes, but probably not as long as 60. i'm taking a wild guess at 45. overall a very good session, although i have some qualms about the girlfriend-surcharge. the way i rationalize it however, is that it also grants you some extra time, so in that respect it's worth it.

one thing i couldn't really establish btw, is whether € 50 worth of extra time is 40 minutes total (which it seemed to say on the menu) or 60 minutes total (which is what i would think and what would seem fair). can anyone please inform me?

after having paid gina her € 100 and taken a shower, i feel that i'm really knackered and, showing sober restraint, decide that gina regretfully was the last session of this trip. still, i have some time to kill before my plane leaves, and there's no better place to spend it than here. i settle in the bar just to observe and to enjoy some hot drinks for my cold.

when sitting in the bar, i get approached by numerous girls; some which i simply rebuff by saying that i'm relaxing and a few which i get to chat a little with. one of those i remember chatting with, is laura from spain. she's got a that mediterranean look with dark hair and a slightly brownish complexion. her tits are large and enhanced and her derrière may be a bit big, but she's not fat by any standard. we talk about spain, where i'm going on holiday soon, and she gives me some tips on madrid, where she lives when not working in germany. she seems like a nice girl. if i meet her at palace sometime in the future, i'm thinking of sessioning with her. does anyone know which girl i'm speaking of? if so i would be very grateful for an assessment of her.

i see evelina passing by in the distance, presumably heading for the smoking room at the back of the pool. a little later, she walks past me together with that super hot girl i've learned is angelina. she stops and chats, explaining that she slept in and just recently got to work. she asks if i want to go to the room with her. i tell her that i have been there recently, and that anyway, it isn't too long until my flight leaves. she asks again if we can make one quick session, but i know that if i commit, there is a strong possibility that my body will fail like it did yesterday, simply for being exhausted. i don't tell her this and just pin my no solely on the upcoming flight instead. so we make a deal to have some fun the next time we see each other, she kisses me on my cheek and that was the last i see of her. fuck, if it hadn't been for the cold zapping my energy like that, i would have finished with a evelina-angelina threesome and just taken my chances with making my flight. these girls are hot!

i knew it was time to leave now if i wanted to avoid any hassle with making my flight, so i got changed, got out and took the bahn back to the town. sitting on the train, i had that very special feeling i always get when leaving the fkk for the last time on any given sex trip. i guess it's a mixture of a huge anticlimax, but also some relief. anticlimactic because i've been looking forward to the trip for a long time, now it's over and i know it'll be a matter of months before the next time i visit fkk-heaven. relief because these trips are also kind of draining mentally; the adrenaline kick of meeting a new beautiful girl and fucking her for the first time, the vigilance needed to guard against the lurking sharks, the resilience needed to ward off the constant naggers (the ones who ask if you would like to have sex when you've just told them no ten minutes ago), and, perhaps most of all, the boredom and loneliness that sets in between sessions, mainly due to having very little contact with the other guests. if you spend an entire day at a fkk and only speak to the girls - who, for the most part, have their very own agendas - it can wear you down.

maybe i can try to hook up with some of you guys next time...

i make my flight easily (as far as time goes, it wouldn't have been a problem to session with the czechs before leaving), but the plane ride itself is hell, with an enormous pressure building up in my sinuses as we start the descent. i arrive home at 12 o'clock sharp, just in time for the live feed of the nhl all-star game. i stay up watching it into the night, hating the fact that i'm too busy at work to call in sick on monday... so that's how my frankfurt adventure ended this time around.


to sum up palace as far as girls go, i had one terrible session being sharked; one bad session that was entirely my own fault because i was at that point physically exhausted; one ok session and four very good to great sessions (gina, evelina first time and both sessions with roxanna). i think that is a very descent score, considering i was new to the club. i really have to take exception to the suggestions i've seen on this forum that palace in reality is a palace for sub par performers. that's not my experience in the least. of the girls i didn't do, there were some really good looking ones (angelina standing out the most by far - what the hell was i thinking not getting to fuck her once?!), but there were a lot of mediocres and some that were not appealing at all in my eyes (meaning i probably would had said no even if i was out on the town on the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and going home to jerk off would be the only alternative). some of the less attractive girls were also really nagging, coming over every fifteen minutes or so to ask me to join them. don't they understand that if i've told them firmly "no" once, i've told them a thousand times already?

the facilities were impressive, with the exception of the showers, which were nearly constantly cold. the place had a more refurbished feel to it than artemis and also better food (i think artemis have their own kitchen whereas palace gets its food catered).

as a matter of overall experience, i think it's pretty close between artemis and palace, meaning if you like one of them, you'll probably enjoy the other as well. i don't have the established "relationship" with any of the girls at palace that i have with a couple of artemis-girls, but i certainly can see it happening with roxanna. if she's a regular worker at palace (i think i asked her this, but i forgot her answer - if anyone knows, can you please enlighten me?), i'm bound to do multiple sessions with her each time i visit in the future - and visit i will. also, i'm longing to spend some more time with the stunning girls from the czech blond brigade. next time i visit, hopefully i get to try a threesome with any two of evelina, gina and angelina.

as a final note of regrets of sorts, i must admit that it bothers me to some extent that these trips are becoming like a true addiction. even as i've written this report, i've already been scouting for nice price airline tickets and deeming when it might be a good time to take a day or two off work for an extended weekend mongering. there's probably a lot more "useful" stuff all those money could be spent on; my house could do with some more furniture, my car is an old wreck that should have been replaced a long time ago and i really would love to do that across-country road trip of the states und so weiter... but on the other hand you only live once, so why not use it to bang as many hot girls as possible, right?

ozzy

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[Ozzy Ozzman]

Since when is it 50E extra to receive a massage from a girl during a 30-minute or longer session? It is 100% NOT extra! You seem to have been the victim of a pretty obvious scam here, as she just made up some new rule that you fell for hook-line-sinker. As we've been discussing in detail and in fair length throughout various threads on this board, the only things that are "extra" as in an extra 50E note are: CIM, Anal, etc. Massage, touching, DFK, DATY, talking, caressing, etc. are all part of the standard 50E 30-minute package. It's too bad you were not better informed about this, because you would have been completely within your rights to have refused to pay her any more than 50E for a 30-minute session without extras, which, according to your account is exactly what transpired. In short, she just ripped you off for 50E.

...

By the way: This Denisa is NOT the skinny, petite bleached blonde Denisa from Moldova or Romania (I forget which), who provides a high quality session....


OrtosThank you for your compliments Ortos.

Just to confirm: Yes, this was a 30 minute session with maybe 15 minutes (or rather 10, as she as noted earlier had to go and take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)) of massage and 10-15 minutes of sex, including the "Russian massage". So I've been duped then, no question about it.

Even if it really were a € 50 surcharge for a massage, I normally wouldn't pay that because it would in my opinion be far too overpriced. What got me this time though, was a) she claimed to be a professional masseuse, thus presumably providing a much better massage than the other girls, and b) she had to that point given me the impression of being a very affable girl, so I figured it would be slow-going session with the massage and then sex, and that time would be the least of our worries (i.e. I thought she wouldn't be a clock-watcher, but that we would stay, within reason, until I was fully satisfied). So even though I started to get misgivings when she first mentioned the extra charge, she (or I myself) still had me fooled into believing that it would be money well spent.

Also to confirm: This definitely wasn't that other Denisa, whom I didn't meet, but who's been described further down in this thread.

Ozzy

[West By Sun]

I said Hello to her. What's your name again (I had forgotten from an intro another day). She said "Ruby" and I said "From Romania, is that right?". She said: "No, from Hungary". Anyway I don't speak Hungarian and said that I have never yet been to Budapest. She asked why not?

Later Ruby said she wasn't so keen on Italians. I asked if their dicks were too big but she said no, its just that they bang too hard like sadists.

Soap Fan

Ruby. She even said to me " Don't go with Romanians". " I like Romanian" " Oh, I am from Romania"

WBS

[Hessen Bub]

One thing I couldn't really establish BTW, is whether € 50 worth of extra time is 40 minutes total (which it seemed to say on the menu) or 60 minutes total (which is what I would think and what would seem fair). Can anyone please inform me?

30 min = 50 EUR.
60 min = 100 EUR.

If you are over 30 min, you pay 100 EUR, no matter if it is 35,45 or 60 min. Most girls do not charge you extra 50 EUR if you are a few minutes over, but some try to, so be aware of that.

HB

[M P Lurker]

Soap Fan

Ruby. She even said to me " Don't go with Romanians". " I like Romanian" " Oh, I am from Romania"

WBS
Well that's not completely convincing. :confused:

She might be saying Romanians are bad except for herself.

I don't think my Hungarian is good enough to test her (non-existant) so I'll have to try one of your tricks, but maybe even more subtle.
Perhaps I'll ask her the meaning of words in a Romanian song "Dragosta Tin Dea (numer numer ye)" I guess.

[Mikedee]

Hi,

Can anyone please inform me if it's possible to receive a BBBJ in Palace or in World in the Kino or in the bar before you go to the room? I was in Artemis and everygirl gave me a BBBJ in the kino before going to the room and it is a wonderful way to check the girls.

[Ortos]

Well that's not completely convincing. :confused:

She might be saying Romanians are bad except for herself.

I don't think my Hungarian is good enough to test her (non-existant) so I'll have to try one of your tricks, but maybe even more subtle.
Perhaps I'll ask her the meaning of words in a Romanian song "Dragosta Tin Dea (numer numer ye)" I guess.

Let's not forget that there can be a certain amount of ethnic or nationalistic overlap between Romanians and Hungarians, as one might expect with countries that share borders. There is a Hungarian-speaking minority living in one part of Romania (or vica-versa), if I'm not mistaken. There have been cases of mixed marriages between Romanian and Hungarian parents that have produced children, e.g. girls who grow up with nubile, fuckable bodies that gravitate to the FKK clubs and who might identify with either or both language/ethnic groups.

In more coherent English: It is quite possible to find an FKK girl who speaks both Romanian and Hungarian and might hang out with members of either group in the club. I've met one or two at World over the past years...

Ortos

[Vito Corleone]

Thanks. Her name is indeed Sydney. You are right she was there in early December but hasn't been seen since. What do you think of her? If anyone sees her at Palace please post it in this thread.

Thank you.
I think she is drop dead gorgeous! Tall, bolt-ons & a nice tight toned bod. Service is average @ best, but she is just an out of this world stunner!

[Vompat]

Was the last night at Messe as well. Went there with my friend in around 5 and the line-up was good, it is difficult to tell the ratio becouse its shape did not have qeue at any for the rooms or the girls.

First had Nicolette from Italy, blond, big hair, 28. Really funny girl, speaks funny and the sex with her was fun. Great BBBJ, couple of positions.

Face 7,5
Body 8
Attitude 9
Repeat, yes.

Then Julia from Ukraina, she was hot, blond, blue eyes, perfect tits, the most beautyful girl I done for a long time, 23 y.o.. Very passionate BBBJ, but I think she had a shore pussy but she was brave. Bit cold but worth of every cent.

Face 9,5
Body 9,7
Attitude 7,5
Repeat, probably

Then Marina from Cuba, nice caribbian girl, I really like them, many times they have great attitude and many times they dont use lubricant which kind of turns me off. She was no exception, real GFE and it was great to finnish the day with her.

Face 8
Body 9
Attitude 9,5
Repeat, yes, anytime.

After Julia we went back to Frankfurt to meet couple of friends for dinner, they had a look at our passports in the reception and gave us a paper with our names and stamp to get back in, so after 2 hours we came back. Becouse of shark conversation lately I was bit afraid but I really think Palace is a great club, will definetely go back when I have the change.

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[Vito Corleone]

By the way: This Denisa is NOT the skinny, petite bleached blonde Denisa from Moldova or Romania (I forget which), who provides a high quality session....

Ortos
I hope not! She is one of my ATF's.

[Vito Corleone]

Hi,

Can anyone please inform me if it's possible to receive a BBBJ in Palace or in World in the Kino or in the bar before you go to the room? I was in Artemis and everygirl gave me a BBBJ in the kino before going to the room and it is a wonderful way to check the girls.
Kino YES. Bar, I have only seen it done @ Oase.

[Excess]

Welcome Mikedee,

A word of caution though, if I understand your post correctly.

BBBJ prior to heading off to the zimmer to continue is indeed a very pleasant aspect of a number of FKK's and have to say that I am very partial to it myself. However, "it is a wonderful way to check the girls" does not mean that you are not commited/obligated to go through with the session or at least hand over the Euro 50 even if the BBBJ does not fully meet your approval for any reason. In a good club, BBBJ time out of the room shouldn't count against the first 1/2 hour, unless you decide to complete in the kino as an example.

In the event that you choose to complain to the club that BBBJ outside of the room does not mean that you committed to a session and payment, I very much doubt that the club would support your contention. Indeed, they shouldn't to be fair to all, in my opinion.

If other members have other thoughts on this, please do chime in for both Mikedee's and my benefit.

And Mikedee, if I got it wrong from your post ignore this. In any event do carry on with BBBJ's and try to ensure that this continues to be a usual FKK warm-up in FKK-land. Must keep up standards and service levels..

E.





Hi,

Can anyone please inform me if it's possible to receive a BBBJ in Palace or in World in the Kino or in the bar before you go to the room? I was in Artemis and everygirl gave me a BBBJ in the kino before going to the room and it is a wonderful way to check the girls.

[Beffen1]

Kino YES. Bar, I have only seen it done @ Oase.
I've seen it at Palace, a few times.
beff

[Dedalus]

I've seen it at Palace, a few times.
beff


Hey Beff,

Really? Palace is the only "Big-Three" Hessen club where I have never seen that. Of course, these days seeing a Bar BBBJ is like seeing a white elephant. I don't frequent Palace as often these days as I use to, but I never saw some of wild, top-acts back in the day engage in that.

Probably the Beffster, being such a groove-thang, party-animal, inspired Wild-Thing type behavior from the lasses ;-)))

See you this weekend.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Hessen Bub]

I've had BBBJ at Palace on the stairs in front of the bar, at the bar, on the couches, in the cinema. And I've had sex in the cinema and in the relax area. Just do it.

HB

[Dedalus]

I've had BBBJ at Palace on the stairs in front of the bar, at the bar, on the couches, in the cinema. And I've had sex in the cinema and in the relax area. Just do it.

HB

You're a wild man, HB! Who would have guessed ;-))

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Sex Hunk]

Hi Guys,

As promised here goes my report.I was staying in the RLD area and started haunting after dinner when the night started to hit up.I have started with the night clubs abnd bars and forst enter into one Stripe Clubs.Been there for a while have 2 beers and enjoy the girls show.then i moved to anityher bar and enjoyed the same.There are some clubs which requires some entrance fee but i preferde the ones with out the fees.Cause eventually you will do there nothing so better to save your money.The no of places are very few comparing to Amsterdam and the style is completely different. Then finally i made up mind to move towards the RLDs. It was very tirying to climb those stairs and when you will not find anything suitable.After visiting several building i eventually settled down with one romanian.The price is pretty much as mentiond 30 Euro for one POP but the good thing is you can choose any stule unlike Brussles RLDs..Anyways the girl was not bad in terms of body but very mechanical.You can touch and play with the assets but no kissing was allowed and eventually you will get into actions.Anyways not bad in terms of money value but if you want to be relaxed,take your time and enjoy then these RLDs are not for you.

Enjoy Mongering!

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[Hessen Bub]

You're a wild man, HB!

Old man, that must be. This was in my younger days.

HB

[Dedalus]

Old man, that must be. This was in my younger days.

HB


Hey Man,

Gimme a break, man. No one is going to confuse you with Moses. A great American philosopher once quipped that, " A man is only as old as the women he feels."

Cheers,

Dedalus

[M P Lurker]

I've seen it at Palace, a few times.
beff
I have had a BJ on the couch and given DATY to a girl on pillows while waiting for a spare room.

They reception shook a finger at me when I kissed Daniella's pussy briefly in the reception area.

I have seen screwing on the lounge couch.

All this was about 3 years back but its getting less risque these days.

[Basketcase]

They reception shook a finger at me when I kissed Daniella's pussy briefly in the reception area.

Hey Soap Fan (you must be a clean boy),

I have seen a guy getting a blowjob from a naked girl in the Palace locker room as a goodbye momento as he was going to get changed to leave. He was sitting in one of the locker room's metal framed wicker chairs and the girl was crouched before him sucking his cock and he was sitting with his head lolling back groaning in pleasure. I am not sure if she charged the guy as I did not want to linger and pry into this very public sex session under the bright lights of the men's locker room in full view of the dining/bar area via the hallway.

Gruss,

Basketcase

[Basketcase]

Hi Guys,

As promised here goes my report. Then finally i made up mind to move towards the RLDs. It was very tirying to climb those stairs and when you will not find anything suitable.After visiting several building i eventually settled down with one romanian.The price is pretty much as mentiond 30 Euro for one POP but the good thing is you can choose any stule unlike Brussles RLDs..Anyways the girl was not bad in terms of body but very mechanical.You can touch and play with the assets but no kissing was allowed and eventually you will get into actions.Anyways not bad in terms of money value but if you want to be relaxed,take your time and enjoy then these RLDs are not for you.

Thank you for the report Sex Hunk. Well done for reporting. The more reports the better. We get few reports on the FFM RLD area in the FKK Palace thread.

It is interesting the point you make about the sessions in the RLD costing €30. Compare to the standard session in the FKKs at €50 there is a €20 premium that in the mindset of a buyer and for the girls providing the service pays for the fact girls in FKKs perform bare back blow job or blowjob without condom and also offers kissing and muschi licking too as usual standard offerings plus covered sex in multiple positions. There is a health risk albeit considered small in performing bare back blowjob and some may wonder if €20 is sufficient recompense for that risk for the girl (or the guy for that matter). Arguable but I will not go there.

Then compare to the Amsterdam RLD where kissing is not the norm at al, and touching anywhere is €50 extra and more than one sex position can also be extra €50 on top of €50 for covered suck and fuck for 15 minutes quickie. I know I prefer a FKK suck and fuck over an Amstersdam RLD suck and fuck for €50.

Choas,

Basketcase

[Sex Hunk]

Yes I agree with you. Its more worth to visit FKKs rather than RLDs. But its also good to have idea about all the aspects. Next time I will be in Frankfurt I will certainly be stick to FKKs only.


Thank you for the report Sex Hunk. Well done for reporting. The more reports the better. We get few reports on the FFM RLD area in the FKK Palace thread.

It is interesting the point you make about the sessions in the RLD costing €30. Compare to the standard session in the FKKs at €50 there is a €20 premium that in the mindset of a buyer and for the girls providing the service pays for the fact girls in FKKs perform bare back blow job or blowjob without condom and also offers kissing and muschi licking too as usual standard offerings plus covered sex in multiple positions. There is a health risk albeit considered small in performing bare back blowjob and some may wonder if €20 is sufficient recompense for that risk for the girl (or the guy for that matter). Arguable but I will not go there.

Then compare to the Amsterdam RLD where kissing is not the norm at al, and touching anywhere is €50 extra and more than one sex position can also be extra €50 on top of €50 for covered suck and fuck for 15 minutes quickie. I know I prefer a FKK suck and fuck over an Amstersdam RLD suck and fuck for €50.

Choas,

Basketcase

[Sebastiane]

I often hear those mentioned on here and now that my german is getting better I'd like to have the URL.

If someone could oblige I'd be most grateful!

Vielen danke!

[Magic191]

I've seen it at Palace, a few times.

beffI have only been to the Palace once (a fantastic adventure), but a few times at the FKK Villa in Hannover. Action outside the rooms occurs both places, but to me it seemed more common and more explicit at the Palace.

BBBJ in the Cinema going on regularily (I felt embarassed the first time and went out). BBBJ around the pool and in the area behind the swinging sofa.

Going to the Cinema seemed to be like a signal to the girls that you wanted to be approached, and many had only a very short introduction before they started. FS in the Cinema observed a few times.

The same "pattern" in the Villa, but BJ in cinema less common. However, here more of the girls are totally naked, and the may touch themselves and maybe masturbate to get your attention.

Although I had a report earlier with a slightly negative approach to two of the girls, I will add that the FKK concept is a fantastic possibility to meet an extrodinary selection of girls. As a visitor I feel totally safe, nice sorroundings, good food, perfectly clean and tidy everywhere. From there it is up to your self to choose the girls you find most attractive both visually and personal. You can be slightly dissapointed, but overall I do not find anything that compares in Western Europe.

[Sebastiane]

I decided to go to Palace on a whim today, instead of pre-planning it like usual. I guess I'm becoming a bit of a regular now (well I'm into double digits now in terms of visits) and a lot of the girls and staff recognise.

I actually went with the express purpose of seeing my favourite girl there, Natasha the dark-haired, sweet, innocent, tall, goddess, from Romania, and was really disappointed to find out she wasn't working tonight. I scoured the place for the other girls and there were some beauties but most of them I'd already been with in the past. I was actually disappointed (am I falling for this Natasha girl? ) and not so interested in the other girls anymore but after a while sitting around I spotted a caramel coloured Afro-American whom I'd seen on a previous visit giving a guy a BJ in the kino but never experienced myself. She was very attractive and, since I've never been with a Black girl, I decided to give her a shot so I went up to her and started small talk. She was actually Brazilian and named Kemmie (or Kimmie? ) and after a brief chat I headed off to the room for some nice, pleasant, sex which included DFK, DATY, 69, and ended with me coming in her mouth. Her body was a dream and she was nice in bed without being spectacular.

I hadn't planned on CIM but couldn't control myself in time. So I parted with 100 euros. I'd already boned most of the other pretty girls (imo) and was still gutted that Natasha wasn't there. I therefore decided to take a shower and head home. As I was coming out of the shower I bumped into Indira (Natasha's cousin) and another favourite of mine. I asked her if her cousin was working tonight and she said she didn't think so. However she looked so gorgeous that though I told her I was about to leave she convinced me to stay by promising a special session. Since she is one of my regulars I agreed and she was absolutely incredible in the bedroom: one of the best GFE's I've had at Palace or anywhere else. It ranged from sensual.-she licked and kissed me all over, deeply, to hard and passionate and went on for I don't know exactly how long but it was certainly near an hour. After I'd come in missionary we cuddled and kissed and talked for some time afterwards like lovers. It was great. Afterwards I paid her, showered again, and left feeling drained. (150)
Kemmie: Looks 8, Body 9.5, Performance 8. Repeat: Maybe

Indira: Looks 9, Body 9, Performance 10. Repeat: Definitely!

Next time I will ring to check if Nat. is working too. A threesome with her and Indira would be a dream come true.

[M P Lurker]

... but after a while sitting around I spotted a caramel coloured Afro-American whom I'd seen on a previous visit giving a guy a BJ in the kino but never experienced myself. She was very attractive and, since I've never been with a Black girl, I decided to give her a shot so I went up to her and started small talk. She was actually Brazilian and named Kemmie (or Kimmie? ) and after a brief chat I headed off to the room for some nice, pleasant, sex which included DFK, DATY, 69, and ended with me coming in her mouth. Her body was a dream and she was nice in bed without being spectacular.

Caramel coloured afro-american???
Thats an exaggeration. And certainly not at all "black" girl.

Come now, Kimmi is quite a light skinned (lighter than the Asians) clearly latin looking girl with a narrow face showing a more Portugese look than anything else but without a hooked nose.
She doesn't look "afro" at all in my opinion, but its no shock to find she is Brazialian.

[Wrong Info]

Hi guys. Brethren if I may,

Long time reader, first time poster.

Having had some experience with the FKK scene in the last couple of years through numerous visits to Artemis, I recently decided to check out what's going on in Frankfurt. For my first run of this town, I wanted to try Palace and maybe also Oase. With Frankfurt being a very easy place to reach due to its hub airport, I was booked for a weekend romp.

Day 1

Filled with excitement, I left work by lunch on a Friday and headed straight for the airport. A few hours later I had arrived at the Frankfurt Hbf. My hotel was situated very close to the Hbf, but it took me a little while to find it. This meant I had an interesting walk through the Red Light District. I don't have any experience with the type of places found here. From the impressions I got just walking through, though, I think I'll keep to the clean, friendly and safe atmosphere of an FKK before risking my neck in a RLD as this. Anyhow, I found my hotel soon enough and rested for a short while, rejoicing over the glorious times to come very shortly.

When I go on these trips I'm always a little nervous before going to the club the first time and becoming "acclimatized". So, alcohol it is then! Staying well clear of the dubious Kneipes I'd seen earlier in the RLD, I headed to the area around the Zeil to see if I could find a nice watering hole for a few beers and some Dutch courage. Finding a nice place actually wasn't easy, but after a while I did, where I could relax in the bar and watch the German nightlife begin to unfold. (I couldn't find any place recembling my favourite place in Berlin, the Mommsen Eck, were I always stop by to enjoy great beer (Köstritzer rules! ) and have a good time. Instead there were mostly flashy lounges and restaurants and nothing really "folksy". But I guess that had to do with which part of town I was in.)

After getting a satisfying buzz in my head, both from the beer and from the excitement of the moment, I left the bar and walked the short way to Alte Oper U-Bahn station. From here it was a very quick ride with the U6 (or U7) to the Industiehof station were I got off. Having plotted Palace on the GPS of my phone prior to departure, finding it was a breeze. If you're travelling from the city, just head left over the tracks and road and through that hole in the wall that you'll easily see. Continue straight down the road on the other side of the wall and you'll very soon see a large blue sign for Fleming's Hotel. Palace is just before you get to Fleming's.

I got to Palace and was buzzed in through the gate. The ladies at the front desk asked if it was my first time here, which of course it was. I was given a quick rundown of how things worked at Palace (which was more or less exactly the same as Artemis) and shown the basic facilities. I locked in my valuables in the small locker, took a shower and got changed into my somewhat oversized robe.

Because of the alcohol- and adrenaline combination intoxicating me at the time, my memory is kind of lacking as to my first couple of hours in Palace. I remember having a walkabout of the locales (I'll sum up my impressions at the ending of this report), then settling down in the bar to get an overview of the ladies present. It was sitting in the bar that I spotted my first acquaintance of this trip.

Unknown girl (Lithuanian, 23 yo)

I unfortunately cannot remember the name of first girl I hooked up with, although I think her name begins with an S. She is very petite in height and frame, blonde dyed hair and firm, perky B-cup breasts.

As already mentioned, I spotted this girl while sitting in the bar. She was sitting opposite me, and from a distance she looked like a real stunner. So I thought this would make a good inauguration for me at Palace. I approached her with a "Hi" and we started the usual small talk (what's your name, where are you from, what are you [I. E. Me] doing here Germany etc.) What disappointed me a little as I got close to her, was that her face wasn't as nice as I had gotten the impression of from a distance in the semi-dark. I'd say it was OK, but not more than that. Still, she had a really nice and taut body.

After a short while of this we were heading for a room. I don't remember too much of the session itself, other than it was BBBJ, 69 (free of extra charge) and fucking in different positions. I always love it when these petite girls ride me RCG so I can get a good look of their ass, and this time it was no different. What really subtracted from the session, however, was that rather quickly I got the feeling that she was in a rush. This was confirmed when I finished (I don't recall whether it was while fucking or if she was using a hand and mouth combo) and she seemed to hardly be able to get out of the room quickly enough, even though we were well clear of the 30 minutes limit. There was no time for any cuddling or chit-chat afterwards, but I did learn the interesting trivia that she has a German boyfriend who knows what she is doing and is fine with it, which she told me more or less out of the blue while gathering the sheets and putting on her ultra-mini skirt and shoes.

So we went to the lockers and I paid her € 50. The session felt far too rushed for me to say it was money well spent. The girl was nice enough in bed but nothing special and certainly not very passionate. I wouldn't repeat.

Having showered, I resituated to the relaxation area behind the bar to let my dick and balls recuperate for the next one. After maybe an hour or an hour and a half, I felt ready for more action.

Roxanna (Lithuanian or Estonian, see pt. II of this report, 29 yo IIRC)

Roxanna has rather long, blonde (dyed I guess) hair, large bolt-ons, a great bubble gum butt and also a very nice face. She has three small tattoos, one on her stomach and two on her back I think it was.

I think I met this girl in the bar area, immediately being drawn to her by her good looks. I begin chatting with her, and she tells me she is from Lithuania. Turns out she speaks some "svenska" (Swedish that is) because her sister lives there. I start fondling her great tits and ask if should find some place to sit down together. We relocate to one of the sofas in the "waiting area" right behind that large swinging couch. She sits down besides me, leaning over towards me so that her farther leg is resting over my nearer thigh (if you get the picture). I continue fondling her breasts and caressing her body and eventually pussy, my dick coming to full attention out through the robe as she caresses me all over before starting to jerk me off very softly. While all this hand labour is going on, we have some really intimate DFK where she likes to stick her tongue deep into my mouth and let me suck on it for a long time. This makes incredibly horny and after 5-10 minutes I'm thinking "By the mother of god, I need to fuck this girl right now! " I ask that we go to a room now, so she fetches a key and off we go, me trying to press my throbbing member up against my stomach as we go so that it doesn't protrude from my robe.

When we get to the room, I quickly get out of my robe and help Roxanna spread out the bed sheet. I lay down full with anticipation for what's to come. She doesn't join me right away, instead doing a little tease by turning her back to me, bending over with legs straight and together and wriggle out of that "skirt"-thing she is wearing, which must be all of 10 cm long. This gives me a fantastic view of her bubbly butt and thick (if that's the right word) pussy lips. I compliment her ass, which she thinks is too fat, which I tell her is nonsense.

Then we start with the real fun with BBBJ, 69 and fucking in three of four different positions. This is just pure bliss. One of my fondest memories of this trip is fucking Roxanna doggy-style and having her turn her head so we can enjoy some passionate DFK while still going at it like crazy. To finish me off she rides me RCG. Watching that great ass bouncing against me and those lucious pussy lips consume my cock, as well as looking in the mirror to get a sideways view of those big tits bouncing up and down, is something I can jerk off to the memory of for a long time to come. Eventually I have an incredible orgasm inside her (condom of course).

Then it's time to clean up and leave. I'm a bit disappointed that Roxanna doesn't seem to be in the mood for a little chi-chat afterwards, so we're out of there rather quickly, although far from as hurriedly as with the first girl. (It would be a whole different matter day 2, when Roxanna seemed much more relaxed.) We go to the lockers and I pay her € 50, barely resisting the temptation of handing her a tip. Then it's a shower and more rest.

As closing time begins to loom I'm sitting in the bar with my back to the coin-op machines, figuring I should go for one more pop before calling it a night. At the opposite end of the bar, I had previously noticed a congregation of hot blondes more or less holding court there. I had surmised that this was the Czech clique I had read about on this forum. Now there's only one of them present, so I stroll over to her and introduce myself. She introduces herself as Evelina (which would become Lina by tomorrow) and quite correctly she's from the Czech Republic.

Evelina aka Lina (or Lena or Leena) (Czech Republic, 26 yo IIRC)

Evelina is as mentioned a blonde. She has a really nice face, but probably not as super tight body as the two other Czech girls I learned the names of, Angelina and Gina. Her breasts are large and natural. We do some small talk and of course we agree that we should have some fun together. I ask her what she can offer me in the room, and she says she she'll do anal and CIM. OK, but for now I was thinking a bit more prosaic, like kissing and licking. She says she doesn't do kissing and I can't remember what she said about DATY.

As we're talking I begin to fondle her breasts and stroke her thighs. She responds by stroking my chest and then letting her hand wander down to my dick. Soon enough we find ourselves in a room. I lay back and she quickly gets my already semi-hard cock to full attention with a fantastic BBBJ (she actually asked if I wanted to be blown with a condom, which of course I didn't). Then she puts on a condom and mounts and rides me for a while. It's been a long day and I'm too tired for any positions where I have to do the work, and she is getting tired from riding my cock, so I ask if she can finish me off with a BJ. She happily obliges by dismounting me, pulling off the condom and, placing herself between my legs, starts give me one of the best suck jobs I've ever had. She asks if I want to come in her mouth and I reply that we'll just wait and see. She says OK, but I'll have to let her know beforehand if I don't want to, or else it is € 50 extra if I'm to do it "accidentally". This is fair business practice in my eyes. Being sure that the customer knows (as if I didn't) but not trying to push anything on me.

After a while of this blissful activity, I feel the twitching of an orgasm begin. I let her know that it's time and that I would like to come in her mouth. She doesn't reply but just keeps sucking, increasing the intensity a notch or two. Whoooo, is it a wonderful feeling to just let go into a chicks mouth like that! I doubt there are many fortunate enough to have a wife or girlfriend who lets them do that to her on a regular basis. As I'm cumming in her mouth, Evelina starts a bit of a giggle, but keeps on sucking at the same time. When I'm done (and in a moment of inattentiveness my load is gone from her mouth; I don't know if she swallowed it or spat it out, and I'm not coarse enough to ask) she tells my why she started to giggle: It was like an explosion in her mouth, she says, as I kept cumming and cumming. Actually this is a fun "skill" that I have, being able to deliver Peter North-esque loads, and many girls have commented on it through the years.

Afterwards we cuddle and talk for a short while. She tells me how she much prefers to do BJs to fucking, because it feels much nicer for her with the skin-on-skin, instead of a piece of rubber going into her. She also tells me she's spent the last six months or so at Artemis, doing a lot of tag team work with that dark haired Bulgarian girl named Rene, with whom I've done business quite a few times myself. (Has anyone tried this duo? Would love to get some reporting on that.) She must have been absent the times I've been at Artemis lately, or I would surely have noticed her. We talk a little bit about Artemis compared to Palace and run through who we know and don't know in that Berlin sin hole.

So then it's time to leave. We go to the lockers and I pay her € 100 as we promise to see each other tomorrow for some more fun. She kisses me goodnight on my cheek, I take a quick shower and leave. There's lots of taxis waiting outside, so getting back to the hotel is easy (I'm too unfamiliar with the town to attempt to walk back. In Berlin. Especially if it's in the warmer parts of the year. I really enjoy that half hour walk down the Ku'damm to my hotel as the city is just coming to life, looking forward to getting some sleep and feeling vigorous and happy after a night of fucking beautiful girls.)

So one day gone, one and a half more to come.

To be continued.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I have never expereinced the scene in Germany. And owuld like to. I find this report intersting and want to verify a few things

Are you saying that you go into hese clubs and find a girl and fuck them then when finished it is 50 euro?

Currently that is equal to about $62 US

What about the entrance to clubs- what are thos prices and whats included?

Thanks

[M P Lurker]

I have never expereinced the scene in Germany. And owuld like to. I find this report intersting and want to verify a few things

Are you saying that you go into hese clubs and find a girl and fuck them then when finished it is 50 euro?

Currently that is equal to about $62 US

What about the entrance to clubs- what are thos prices and whats included?

Thanks
Entrance price is 75 Euro includes free softdrinks, coffees, food (meals). Is an all day charge. You can go out and come back in again without paying again if you ask for pass out card.

You had better read the thread further. 50 Euro is for 30 mins only. Certain activities are charged extra such as come in mouth, anal etc.

But its definitely worth experiencing the scene. Try to pick some recommended girls. Not every girl is fantastic. Some try to rip off newbies. but I have no trouble to find really good girls and really pretty too.

[Wrong Info]

Entrance price is 75 Euro includes free softdrinks, coffees, food (meals). Is an all day charge. You can go out and come back in again without paying again if you ask for pass out card.

You had better read the thread further. 50 Euro is for 30 mins only. Certain activities are charged extra such as come in mouth, anal etc.

But its definitely worth experiencing the scene. Try to pick some recommended girls. Not every girl is fantastic. Some try to rip off newbies. but I have no trouble to find really good girls and really pretty too.Thanks Soap - Good Info

[Vito Corleone]

Caramel coloured afro-american???
Thats an exaggeration. And certainly not at all "black" girl.

Come now, Kimmi is quite a light skinned (lighter than the Asians) clearly latin looking girl with a narrow face showing a more Portugese look than anything else but without a hooked nose.
She doesn't look "afro" at all in my opinion, but its no shock to find she is Brazialian.
Kimmie does look kinda like a light skinned black girl.

[Sebastiane]

Well, well, I never expected to visit Palace this evening but I ended up their anyhow. I arrived at about 8.30 pm and the place was absolutely jam-packed--never seen it so busy in my two years of going there. Tons of guys and lots of women too. Quite a few of the ladies were new to me and the selection was very impressive with lots of 8, 9, 10s.

However I had rang beforehand to ask if one of the girls was going to be working and when she texted me back with a 'yes' I knew I'd be going with her. I lay on the long sofa opposite the main bar and next to the swing-sofa alongside a group of Japanese guys, admiring the bevvy of lovely ladies who swam before my eyes (after getting changed of course!). I saw a few I definitely would like to session with and made mental notes. After a while the girl I'd come for, Natasha, saw me and came straight towards me. We kissed and she sat down next to me. After some pleasantries it was off to the room for a long 1.5 hour session of pleasure and joy. Maybe I was over-excited but I only was able to come once. Anyway the session was the typical GFE I expect from her now. Lots of playing around, carousing, tussles, DFK, rimming, pussy-eating, various positions, biting, licking, sweet-nothings (even though in the back of my mind I know I am paying for all this but the illusion is a powerful one. I can see why some guys DO fall in love with prostitutes/courtesans.) Being in the presence of such a beautiful creature is in itself a thing of beauty and she has a wonderful personality to match her looks. Actually she'd changed her hair-colour to a lighter shade which made her look a bit different but it was nice.

Anyhow the time eventually came to an end although we did clown around for a few minutes beyond the allotted 1.5 hours. Eventually she said baby you have to go. I was going to ask for another 0.5 hours but my friend downstairs was not up to his usual energetic self and so I reluctantly decided not to. We kissed a bit more and then again at the lockers. Total cost: 200 euros.

I then showered and was hungry so waited for the buffet at 11. Ate a light meal and watched more of the lovely lasses. Sophie of Germany (a new girl for me) tried to entice me and almost succeeded but I was still thinking of Natasha and didn't have any energy left. She's v. pretty blonde though with a petite look and lovely derriere so will try to swive her next time.

As I left to go I spotted Natasha with a Japanese guy and felt a pang of jealousy which was plain dumb. He however refused her enticements and she smiled at me as she entered the smoking lounge.

I left shortly afterwards after getting changed. An interesting experience and the only time I've ever only been with one girl.

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[M P Lurker]

Kimmie does look kinda like a light skinned black girl.
LOL. Sounds like a contradiction in terms.
Unfortunately Kimmie wasn't there last night.
But I would say her nose is far too small and cute to look Afro, her butt is like a upside down heart shape same as the best western butts and again far too small to be afro, her hair is straight (not afro), her face is long narrow like a Portugese not rounded like a black girl, lips average size for a Brazilian and a great kisser, only very slightly dark skin, so I'd really struggle to find any part of her looking afro.

Tits are non sagging magnificent real C cups.

You can tell that I miss her badly when she is not there.

There was a reasonable Thai girls contingent there yesterday:
Bee, Nikki, Lucky, and new girl Didi (Dee Dee). Joy/Kim and Nina were missing.
P.S. I know which girls are really Thai as I speak Thai.
Not like Lustscout talking about Thai Tan at Palace some time back who was Chinese (Tan is a Chinese name).

Nikki and Lucky are not my spec, but I was chatting to the newbie girl Didi. Slim and light skinned. She said she was very new to the game and very little experience, so perhaps an experienced guy like me could teach her a few things and how to be like the very popular Bee. This is definitely a new sales technique :confused:

Anyway, after a recovery period, I agreed to firstly teach her to kiss like a Brazilian. So we started up on the couch in the lounge. She tasted great and after explaining to her to open mouth wide, use very soft and slow movements and give the entire tongue, she was a fantstic kisser almost immediately. My flag was flying rather embarassingly, so I thought we had better move to a room for the rest of the lesson.

She was really into the DATY in a big way, just like Bee. Had her first orgasm eventually (slow to make it).

The BBBJ started a little too fast but she kept her teeth completely out it (good girl). After telling her the correct slow pace, her blow job became excellent, such that I didn't want it to stop and I was starting to think CIM (which might be a shock for a poor newbie girl). No, I had better have sex first. Although she couldn't do deep throat, at least she is not like one of those girls whose jaw gets tired and keeps stopping the sucking frequently. She had good stamina and kept it going well. She even seemed to enjoy giving the blow job and seeing me keep squirming with pleasure.

She moved very nicely during the sex and was a true GFE session.

In the end she was better than most regular girlfriends. Maybe I have been conned here. :D Its hard to believe that she is very inexperienced but she fucked with wild enthusiasm just like a lover.

So I think that if you find any chemistry with Didi, a fabulous session is possible. Total lesson time was 1 hour, so how much should I have charged her? ;) Unfortunately she doesn't seem to need any more lessons, except maybe she could try step up to deep throat and anal one day.

I left for a while and came back when was very busy. Couldn't get to Daniella (Romania) as she was busy doing the champagne/VIP thing with someone.
Tried a different blonde but was not specially memorable as not GFE.

[Jackyo]

I often hear those mentioned on here and now that my german is getting better I'd like to have the URL.

If someone could oblige I'd be most grateful!

Vielen danke!
Go visit the Roemerforum.

There are befreundete Foren which deal with regions too.

The appropriate one for Hessen is Boom's FFM Forum.

Your school German is going to be put a test. The guys are inclined to use the current Umgangsprache.

[Hessen Bub]

I often hear those mentioned on here and now that my german is getting better I'd like to have the URL.

If someone could oblige I'd be most grateful!

Vielen danke!

www.lustscout.to/wbboard (= Lustscout)

Good addition to Römerforum, BOOM is not really in clubs, it is into Laufhäuser.

HB

[Macphisto]

I'm planning my trip to Frankfurt, and am leaning towards visiting Palace on a Sunday and Monday night (during a non-Messe week). How is the selection and customer ratio on those nights? I'd thought about including a Saturday, but I want to avoid bad ratios and waits for rooms, etc.

[M P Lurker]

I'm planning my trip to Frankfurt, and am leaning towards visiting Palace on a Sunday and Monday night (during a non-Messe week). How is the selection and customer ratio on those nights? I'd thought about including a Saturday, but I want to avoid bad ratios and waits for rooms, etc.
Saturday is generally O.K. up till about 11PM max. But too many guys arriving after that. Personally, I wouldn't go in really quiet times as not enough selection of girls, unless you know which girls are likely to be there.

If its quietish, don't go with with first girl you see. A super hottie maybe be about to come out of a room in 20 mins time. the girls are wondering what I am doing, just relaxing till i have sussed out my "must do" girls.

The first girl i ever went with at the Palace seemed hot enough at first. But once experienced, i wouldn't have even considered her at all.

[Concan]

Hey Ozzy Ozzman, and thanks for your detailed reports!

Which place do you prefer, Artemis or Palace?

Whats the pros and cons for those places?

[M P Lurker]

I have 3 Palace regular girls now, who can be pretty sure I will book them virtually every time. Today all 3 were there so I had them all with suitable pauses. My only regret was a 4th girl, German blonde who was pretty enough but just not the same GFE as my favourites.

So I am not good at the FKK Mongers ethic of trying every girl possible. It needs a real stunner to get me to the decision that the girl is a "must try", and there are not so many super stunners. There is one girl on my must try list, but didn't see her for 2 or 3 weeks. A couple of black girls, I would like to try, but not quite on the "must do" list.

Arriving just before lunch on Saturday, its a bit quiet today (with only a few Italians). Miss Bee and Nikki (2 Thai girls) are chatting and as soon as Bee sees me she makes a bee-line for me and launches into the air. Arms go round my neck and legs wrap around my waist so I am suprised to see she is well separated from the floor now.

The bandana/wide belt (whatever) that used to be around her bottom, thighs and pussy is gone. She says she took my advice to be properly naked and since then business has been extra good. So I said: Sure, if you have got it then flaunt it.

I took her away for our normal loooong session. Fab as usual. When we came out an Italian guy introduces her to his mates: "This is Bee, the best of the Palace". From then on she was busy virtually non stop all day and I did say it was relatively quiet for customers.

Tried a blonde but, well, not GFE but O.K. Enough said.

Later Didi arrives and after a suitable pause we go off and screw ourselves silly (very GFE) and both were very tired.

Later I am kicking myself for wasting money on the blonde as Kimi from Brazil has showed. She seems very busy which is good because I really need an extended pause first to get the most out of a Kimi session.
She is Portugese looking with a very narrow long face and tall and slim with real C cups.
Her skin just very slightly darker than mine. She is a very lovely girl and her English is quite reasonable.
She is wearing a silly little 2 inch white frilly skirt but no knickers. I don't know why as her bottom and pussy just beg to be properly displayed. There seems to be this silly view by girls that they look better wearing something tiny when in fact the girls with near perfect bodies clearly look better fully nude. I think we must all make an effort to tell them they far more irresistable when all is displayed.

We always have great fun. I start by kissing her mouth and move to the georgous bottom. She enjoys DATY, and while blowing me she moves to 69 and presses her pussy on my mouth. Very nice doggy and mish sex as she is tightish. But I go back to BJ to finish with CIM. When I tell her about to come she goes into overdrive somehow and the feeling was so intense I was nearly screaming (well at least very loud ooh aahs). Had to make her stop as could not stand it any more after coming. Kimi rightly earned her nice bonus and her dinner as was 11.30 or so.

I finally left at 12.30 AM but was still not overcrowded yet.
Didn't notice any other girls as busy as Bee or Kimi today. So other guys obviously agree with my taste.
Neither of them smoke and taste great to kiss, with Kimi probably the best kisser going.

I meant to try a black girl as two of them look quite hot, but, no energy left. Next time maybe.

[RedBaron2]

Visit on a weekday, arriving at 1 pm..

Very quiet, but some beauties around.
Recommended Bee (Thai) and Kimmi (Brasil) which I fancied to try were not there.

Recommended...
Following previous reports I tried two very GFE Italians.
- Stefania, blond straight medium length hair, nice body, very good kisser and perfect BBBJ. Fun to be with. Only drawback is she smokes. Very sweet and passionate.
- Nicoletta, skinny, tall, long curly blond hair. Same as above, very nice GFE session. Both certainly to repeat.
- Gina (Czeck) a real model, all naked with white stockings, breast improved but very nicely. She does not kiss, but a must do if you want a stunner! Friendly and very nice BBBJ. I could not enjoy as much as I would have liked as it was my last session..

Warnings...
Domenican girls: they are good, but try to upsell and include as many optional they can. Also not really pretty.
- Cristina: very good BBBJ technique, play with dildo, massage, long session, two shots, the second she managed to get me CIM. I was expecting to pay extras. I handed 100 and she said its 200! What? CIM, massage, etc. Ok, I said here is another 50 for CIM, that's it. Some discussion and she finally gave up.
- Maria/Miriam: same as above she tried to sell me AR for 50 more, but this time I sticked with the regular session. Good BBBJ.

Marina (Cuba) was around, but couldn't try her.

Red

[Myrmidon]

That's right, I'm a 'newbie', first time poster, 'shark' bait. But I'm coming to Frankfurt and the Palace this April.

First, I would like to thank those who have gone before and who's posts have influenced me to come to the Palace. That includes those on this board and the other boards I read prior to making my reservations.

Your information has made my decision to come easier and has helped (I hope) prepare me for the inevitable onslaught when I arrive.

I am new and would like to avail myself of a tour of the premises when I arrive, but that would 'flag' me as a 'newbie' to those ladies already there (and later to those in their cliques). I don't mind being known as 'fresh meat'. I'm just not interested in being a target for 'sharks' and other quick short service artists. So I guess I can bumble around on my own.

I have prepared a cover story for why I am there and the fact that no one would have seen me before, (I am returning after an absence; resuming business interests in the area). But my lack of German and Cdn accent will still leave me vulnerable.

I realize that that first contact is key: get unnecessarily upsold and the rest will expect the same!

My questions: In reading the boards I am confused about when a session begins.

1 If you negotiate in the Lounge and request a visit to the kino to verify her DFK skills does this trigger the commitment?

2) Further to above, if you touch her or kiss her as noted above, are you committed?

3) I thought that you were committed when her lips touch your equipment. What about if she touches your equipment under your robe / towel in the kino / lounge? (Trying to upsell / clinch the deal etc.) Can you touch her in a similar manner without triggering the commitment?

I realize alot of this is YMMV and if you have properly prepared, I. E. Interviewed the lady, this should not be a problem. That means respecting the fact that she is working: don't tease her, trying to get what you can without paying, and realize that time is money to her, so no excessive idle chit-chat unless she initiates it.

Any comments, feed back would be most appreciated. I realize that I have little to contribute to the board. This is after all my first and possibly only visit. (It is hard to get over to Europe all that often)

That being said, this is normally a solitary hobby, particularly on this side of the pond. I have noted in the posts that sometimes groups go and have a good time. I have also noted on this board that other members sometimes meet up at the Palace on occasion. I will be there for a week in the later half of April, except one day of touring. I am willing to entertain the idea of meeting some of you sometime at the Palace, so you could introduce the Brother from Abroad to your favourites. Just a thought.

Thanks again for your info, patience and anything you may care to add.

Myrmidon

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[Basketcase]

I'm planning my trip to Frankfurt, and am leaning towards visiting Palace on a Sunday and Monday night (during a non-Messe week). How is the selection and customer ratio on those nights? I'd thought about including a Saturday, but I want to avoid bad ratios and waits for rooms, etc.

if room waits is your sole criteria for visiting FKKs then you should not need to worry overly about waits for rooms on a Sunday or Monday visit to Palace or to any FKK in Hessen really. In my visits on those particular days I do not recall ever waiting for a room to become available.

Selection is generally pretty good. I really do like the food at Palace better than Oase and Palace definitely runs against World in terms of its menu but I give Palace the edge since it is more international palette whereas World is more Germanic style foods.

Customer ratios are pretty international too - think Germans, Italiani, Asians like Arabs, Turks, Persians, Indians, Singaporeans, Hong Kong, Japanese, Koreans, Australians and North Americans and South Americans. Although I think customers are more weighted to be German or cohorts of Italiani. Most customers I found spoke English to some degree and the staff do too and most of the girls. Then amongst those customers there will be guys with large budgets and customers with modest budgets.

Gruss,

Basketcase

[M P Lurker]

Visit on a weekday, arriving at 1 pm..

Very quiet, but some beauties around.
Recommended Bee (Thai) and Kimmi (Brasil) which I fancied to try were not there.

Bee works daytime Thurs, Fri, Sat I think.
Kimi works nights, but not every night.
Most likely nights: Fri, Sat, Mon and maybe some others.


She does not kiss, but a must do if you want a stunner! Friendly and very nice BBBJ.
Ah, I thought "Stunner" was a word for physical beauty. Good kisser is a must for GFE.

[M P Lurker]

Customer ratios are pretty international too - think Germans, Italiani, Asians like Arabs, Turks, Persians, Indians, Singaporeans, Hong Kong, Japanese, Koreans, Australians and North Americans and South Americans. Although I think customers are more weighted to be German or cohorts of Italiani. ....

Some days the Italians come in large cohorts. Doesn't worry me where they come from as behaviour is generally very good, and doesn't bother me to be a lone Aussie. Its probably better that way.

Why are there so few Englishmen?

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Hey Ozzy Ozzman, and thanks for your detailed reports!

Which place do you prefer, Artemis or Palace?

Whats the pros and cons for those places?I'd say the two places are pretty similar, meaning that if you like Artemis, you'll most probably like Palace as well, and vice-versa. Both clubs are large with fine amenities, have a good selection of girls and give an impression of overall professionalism.

There are some minor differences, quirks etc. Like I mentioned earlier, Palace has better food and slightly nicer interiors (if things like nice tiling means anything to you when visiting an FKK...) Palace also has smoking rooms, which is good because the air is much fresher. At Artemis it's non-smoking in the downstairs relaxation area (but the air there is still very stale because of the heavy humidity from the pool and saunas), but no restrictions in the main bar, which results in some rather unpleasant air.

One complaint that I have with Palace, is that their showers are usually fucking cold, something I heard many people complaining about when taking showers. I've never had this problem at Artemis.

As far as selection of girls goes, I'd say that Artemis has the edge in numbers, variety and looks, but keep in mind that my experience with Palace is limited to one weekend. However, when it comes to the very top talent, I don't think the favourite girls from my Palace visit take a back seat to my favourite girls at Artemis. So you'll find terrific girls at both places.

Where Artemis really outshines Palace, is not in the features of the club itself, but in its location. I think Berlin is a much, much nicer town than Frankfurt, and you'll have a better time in Berlin when/if catching a break from FKK-ing. The advantages of Berlin are somewhat counterbalanced by (depending on where you live) the easier access of Frankfurt, which has a hub airport. At least for me, Frankfurt is reachable by several direct flights a day. Berlin, on the other hand, has far fewer direct flights, and many days of the week I would be forced to make a change-over, thus increasing travel time. This means Frankfurt is ideal for a short Friday-Sunday romp, whereas to go to Berlin, I have to extend the weekend by a day or two to make it more worthwhile. Ease of access is one of the reasons I'm going back to Palace very shortly, instead of heading for Berlin and Artemis. (Another reason is of course that I met a couple of girls there that I'm already very eager to meet again.)

I hope to give you all a report of that trip, albeit abridged, when I get back.

This reminds me: If any of you have visited Palace in the last week or so, could you please tell me whether you observed Roxanna/Roxanne (Lithuanian or Estonian, blond, large fake breast) there? Judging from the Oase thread, she seems to be working both there and at Palace, so perhaps I will have to make the trip to Oase to meet her if she's not at Palace currently.

Ozzy

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[Basketcase]

This reminds me: If any of you have visited Palace in the last week or so, could you please tell me whether you observed Roxanna/Roxanne (Lithuanian or Estonian, blond, large fake breast) there? Judging from the Oase thread, she seems to be working both there and at Palace, so perhaps I will have to make the trip to Oase to meet her if she's not at Palace currently.

Ozzy

Ozzy Ozzman,

Your best bet to find Roxanne of Lithuania is to attend Palace. Roxanne has not been spotted working at Oase for some time now.

Basketcase

[Devilspinkick]

After a pretty good time in Berlin, I've made my way to Frankfurt and though I definitely prefer Berlin, I must admit that Frankfurt has it's own sort of charm. This was my first trip to The Palace and it was easy to get to via public transit (the you-Bahn). I entered and paid the €75. I have to say that the facilities here are very nice, I especially liked the reading room/lounge and the pool area. The food on offer was of very good quality. But what's the deal with the showers? The water varied from cool to scheißkalt, and only seemed to get worse as the night dragged on.

I arrived there around 3PM and was expecting it to be slow (it was). Was immediately approached by two decent looking blonde, Polish gals. I usually blow off the girl (s) to approach me, so I told them "maybe later". I found out later that one of them was named Emma. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised that it was slow. Being a Monday and all. Just hung around until around 6PM when new girls started showing up. Among the new crew was a petite Romanian chick with a nice little ass. She was talking a big game about how good she was but I wanted to take her for a ride. The sex was very mechanical and unimpressive to say the least. And for some reason she kept wanting to stick a five inch dildo in my bumm. No thanks! I actually lost interest and calle dit quits. Gals name was Carla, if you should be into such things.

Not long after finishing with Carla I crosssed paths with a lady with a killer bod named Vanessa. I later learned that she is Spanish/German mix. That's what she told me anyway. She was obviously quite popular because I had seen her go off to the rooms with like 5 guys within two hours. None-the-less, I wanted to take her for a spin. She was nice and definitely a step up from carla, but still pretty mechanical and zero passion. Hell, she propbably had sex with about 20 guy that night. I guess I wouldn't feel very passionate either.

I guess I just chose poorly because I'm sure guys in Frankfurt wouldn't normally pay for this kind of sex. There are a lot of ladies I turned down, including a Spanish lass who seemed quite nice and a handful of Poles. I actually like Polish ladie but I have been with so many that I was trying to do something different. Around 9PM some Brazilian ladies arrived, I really like Brazillians but since I visit Rio 3-4 times a year I generally ignore them while I'm in Europe.

Overall I had a mixed impression of Palace, but if I visit at a different time (ie, summertime on a Frdiay niight) I might have a completely different experience.

Well I plan to head to Oase today (Tuesday). Wish me luck.

DSK

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[Myrmidon]

Not correct. It is allowed, you can use it in the relaxing area where they provide the newspapers. I did ask at the front desk. Answer was: It's allowed, but the girls don't like it. Haha, the girls don't like a lot of things, who cares.

HBHere's a tought / twist: Since laptops are allowed, and someone previously referred to using his iPod I think, there may just be a good use for them. Obviously cameras are not allowed. But a newbie could store 'reviews' of ladies on either device. Then when the lady intros her self, you could just excuse yourself with 'resting', go and check her review and make an informed decision!

Just a thought.

Keep safe and take care. Myr.

[Shark16]

@Myrmidon,
Welcome on board, Myrmidon. Coach interview/pre-action has been discussed many times before, but it is an important topic where we have a lot to learn from each other. I am still learning.

Here is my response to your questions:



1 If you negotiate in the Lounge and request a visit to the kino to verify her DFK skills does this trigger the commitment?

So you are asking the girl to check her reaction to your request for a DFK in public display in the kino? Nice. Asking does not trigger the commitment of course. Seriously DKF'ing a girl does IMHO, irrespectively of doing it in the kino or elsewhere.

Do not feel committed to go to the kino with her after having raised the question. Just say you wanted to see her reaction. If you agree to go to the kino, it would be rude to refuse starting DFK'ing with her (i.e. committing yourself) unless something happens that make you change your mind (change in her attitude, selling standard services as extras, you get the wrong vibes). If so, tell her no and leave the kino immedieately. Do not DFK or allow BBBJ.

An alternative strategy is to ask the girl to continue the conversation in the kino - without raising the DFK request - and then take it slowly from there. In the last second before you make your decision, you raise the DFK request, and if negative, do not feel committed.

A different question is whether time in the kino should count or not when you continue in a room after some pre-action in the kino. This is where YMMV, but at the end of the day it is up to the girl.



2) Further to above, if you touch her or kiss her as noted above, are you committed?

There is a fine line here. During coach interview you want to check chemistry and getting to know her. She will/should expect that. You can ask her different types of questions, both trivilia and specifics about her services. If it feels right, some light touches and kisses are appropriate - without feeling committed. But do not overdo it. I would z.b. not touch her genitalia or seriously DFK. Word will quickly go around among the girls if you fool around without committing yourself.



3) I thought that you were committed when her lips touch your equipment. What about if she touches your equipment under your robe / towel in the kino / lounge? (Trying to upsell / clinch the deal etc.) Can you touch her in a similar manner without triggering the commitment?

Again, a fine line. Yes, lips around your dick is a commitment. Also DFK'ing or DATY. Touching her genitalia is highly controversial (a commitment IMHO). But touching your dick under your towel is not necessarily a commitment.

Some girls will be very quick to go there, and you need to be equally quick to make it clear to her that you are not ready to go yet (excuses: you need a break/you are waiting for another/you need to know her better before you want to commit yourself, etc.). If you don't, time passes by, and you are "clearly enjoying yourself", she may be pretty upset (and rightfully so) if you are not committing yourself. She may not be entitled to money, but words about you will be spread among the girls. She may even try demanding money from you, and if a dispute, the Palace front desk is not known to favour the guys.

But let's say that you have told her no, and she despite this continue to stroke your dick (not an uncommon situation in Hessen), it is now at her risk. With a little social skills, this can be a "free" playful situation. But again, do not overdo things. Be respectful. And keep in mind Palace front desk's bad reputation in case of dispute.



I realize alot of this is YMMV and if you have properly prepared, I. E. Interviewed the lady, this should not be a problem. That means respecting the fact that she is working: don't tease her, trying to get what you can without paying, and realize that time is money to her, so no excessive idle chit-chat unless she initiates it.

You got it right. One should always respect that she is working and not waste her time. On the other hand, it is also her work to communicate with clients and charm them to the rooms. Chit-chat is a part of her job. And of course, please feel free to initiate chit-chats with the girls yourself (maybe not everyone around, but the ones you are attracted to). Most girls will be happy to not always having to initiate first contact. This is a excellent way to check her social skills. If she is friendly outside the room and you feel a connection, it is likely that you will have a good time inside the room too. If she is impatient, rude or non-talkative, I would move on to the next girl. Don't be a push-over. The girls should expect a pre-interview of at least 5- 10 mnts before you make your decision.



This is after all my first and possibly only visit. (It is hard to get over to Europe all that often)

Yeah, I also made that statement once. This hobby is addictive. You are hereby warned! ;-)

Enjoy!

[Myrmidon]

@Myrmidon,

Welcome on board, Myrmidon. Coach interview/pre-action has been discussed many times before, but it is an important topic where we have a lot to learn from each other. I am still learning.

Yeah, I also made that statement once. This hobby is addictive. You are hereby warned! ;-)

Enjoy!Sir: Thank you for your thoughtful response. You've made a lot of sense.

I am old enough to be father to these ladies. (Note: I always address them as ladies, never girls, women or other. Even the meanest, great white, she-***** is a lady until I have walked a mile (kilometer) in her stilettos) Treat someone with respect and you will most often get it back in kind. The odd time you will not, so get up, dust yourself off and move on. This trip is very special to me and I do not intend to let it be derailed by anyone.

With luck, and continued good advise from persons such as Shark16 and others, this trip will be the memory I intend it to be. Thank You all.

Myr. P.S. Thanks for the warning. OMG, I hope your right!

[M P Lurker]

I really like Brazillians but since I visit Rio 3-4 times a year I generally ignore them while I'm in Europe.

Could be a serious error! although Kimi claimed there are no other Brazilians. Maybe she meant on her night. The mulata looking types are not Brazilian as far as I know.

I prefer to go when place is moderately busy to get more choice. Talk to other customers and see who they recommend and why.
There are some ordinary service girls, could be even a lot. The trick is how to avoid them.

[Ekliges Lauern]

that's right, i'm a 'newbie', first time poster, 'shark' bait. but i'm coming to frankfurt and the palace this april.

be confident and stand your ground. don't go with the first girl that shakes her ass at you. if anyone tries to pick non-standard pricing, just say no. this will do alot to prevent shark-bites. recognize you are still dealing with women and chemistry and how you treat them matters. even when you turn them down, always do it in a nice way. no woman wants to think you don't want to fuck her.


i have prepared a cover story for why i am there and the fact that no one would have seen me before, (i am returning after an absence; resuming business interests in the area). but my lack of german and cdn accent will still leave me vulnerable.

your cover story is good enough. some girls may see through it, but important thing is to leave the impression you may become a steady customer.


i realize that that first contact is key: get unnecessarily upsold and the rest will expect the same!


upselling is not necessarily a bad thing. if you want to cim for 50e or fuck her in the ass for 100e, nice of her to let you know it is on the menu. if you are a 50e guy, you have to hold out hope of either repeat business or longer sessions to motive her a game.

what annoys me is the "will this be a half hour or hour?" before the festivaties start. what she is saying is "i'm happy to give you the short program for 50e, but if you expect my a game, pay me 100e". if there has not been mouth to dick contact, bail. otherwise, you are basically screwed and are in for the short program.


my questions: in reading the boards i am confused about when a session begins.

1 if you negotiate in the lounge and request a visit to the kino to verify her dfk skills does this trigger the commitment?

2) further to above, if you touch her or kiss her as noted above, are you committed?

3) i thought that you were committed when her lips touch your equipment. what about if she touches your equipment under your robe / towel in the kino / lounge? (trying to upsell / clinch the deal etc.) can you touch her in a similar manner without triggering the commitment?

1) if you want dfk, i find it easier to just let her initiate it on the couch. you should act as if you are resisting. if she doesn't try to initiate dfk during the "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me and drag me to the room" portion of the getting to know you, she's probably not going to do it in the room.

i would not enthusiastically engage in dfk for any length of time as while i don't think it technically makes the contract, it's just bad form to stretch it too far. basically, i don't like to give the impression that i will go with them so i am somewhat playfully resistent during this phase.

other thing i would recommend is have your first session or two in the kino if you are comfortable with that. she knows she is on display and any bs may hurt her business. if she really wants to go to the room, you have to decide if it is so she can give you the short program while no one is watching, or whether she really is shy and will respond favorably to you being nice and acceeding to her wishes. follow your gut on this one.

2) some playful stroking is ok. the key is to maintain a certain degree of resistence to her advances. you can playfully stroke her butt while resisting her advances. just remember you can only get away with this for so long.

3) lips on dick = commitment, no exceptions. you can have her wank you for a bit without a committment. you can't let this go on for to long without creating an argument if you back out.

my strategy is to tell the girl i need more time to recover and am not ready when she starts attacking me. i usually have my arm around her and am gently stroking her tit or ass. serious mixed signals. she will usually put her hand under my towel and start wanking you. after two or three wanks, i grab her hand but the wrist and put it back on her leg. she will go for you dick again after a couple second. you can repeat this a couple of times an still back out. let her wank you continuously long enough to get you hard and it's really hard to back out. plus its just bad form.

why do i do this? how a woman touches your dick tells you whether she understands sensuality or whether she just wants to get you off as quick as possible. if she just starts giving strrong jerks, bail. if she knows how to touch in ways that feel really good, it's probably going to be a good session. but as i said, you can't let it go on too long and maintain flexibiliy. getting hard undercuts your, "i'd like to go with you, but i'm just not ready" excuse. plus, who doesn't enjoy a good wank, even if it is brief.


that being said, this is normally a solitary hobby, particularly on this side of the pond. i have noted in the posts that sometimes groups go and have a good time. i have also noted on this board that other members sometimes meet up at the palace on occasion. i will be there for a week in the later half of april, except one day of touring. i am willing to entertain the idea of meeting some of you sometime at the palace, so you could introduce the brother from abroad to your favourites. just a thought.

my recommendation is don't hook up with other regulars as a newbee. you are more likely to rely on advise of your new fkk buddies rather than developing your fkk girl selection-chops. observation is a key part of the selection process. don't worry if she thinks you are a little creepy when you leer at her. it's all part of the game.

once you develop your chops, you can confidently swim the sharky waters of the big fkks with the top acts. if you are looking for a more risk free proposition, albiet with older and less attractive women, there are clubs in the koeln area that might suit your needs better.

[Myrmidon]

Be confident and stand your ground. Don't go with the first girl that shakes her ass at you. If anyone tries to pick non-standard pricing, just say no. This will do alot to prevent shark-bites. Recognize you are still dealing with women and chemistry and how you treat them matters. Even when you turn them down, always do it in a nice way. No woman wants to think you don't want to fuck her.Don't take the 1st one? This is easy for you guys. You see this all the time! I'm not sure how I will react the first time I enter a room full (5. 15) beautiful (European) naked (except for shoes / shash / belt) women. (Sidebar: European includes EE, South American etc. They tend to take better care of themselves and their presentation. Closest we have are the French-Cdn jeunes filles, and they're not naked) I do not intend to take up with someone for about the first hour to hour and a half, to check out the field. But how do you resist when you have a beautiful, naked women well within your personal space? Mon Dieu!


Upselling is not necessarily a bad thing. If you want to CIM for 50E or fuck her in the ass for 100E, nice of her to let you know it is on the menu. If you are a 50E guy, you have to hold out hope of either repeat business or longer sessions to motive her A game.

What annoys me is the "will this be a half hour or hour? " before the festivaties start. What she is saying is "I'm happy to give you the short program for 50E, but if you expect my A game, pay me 100E". If there has not been mouth to dick contact, bail. Otherwise, you are basically screwed and are in for the short program.When the upsell is simply for a 'fuller' experience, how about retorting: 100E for the hour? Sounds great.


Other thing I would recommend is have your first session or two in the kino if you are comfortable with that. She knows she is on display and any BS may hurt her business. If she really wants to go to the room, you have to decide if it is so she can give you the short program while no one is watching, or whether she really is shy and will respond favorably to you being nice and acceeding to her wishes. Follow your gut on this one.You sly dog! That is a GREAT idea. She would have a hard time getting away with too much. Not sure about a 69 in public though. My shyness might have to be overcome by my cheapness and desire not to waste any precious euros.

And there is another upside to this: She will tell her clique about you, but you are also on display to the other ladies outside her clique. Word will circulate you are legit. Just as long as the rest of them don't want to only go as far as the kino!


My strategy is to tell the girl I need more time to recover and am not ready when she starts attacking me. I usually have my arm around her and am gently stroking her tit or ass. Serious mixed signals. She will usually put her hand under my towel and start wanking you. After two or three wanks, I grab her hand but the wrist and put it back on her leg. She will go for you dick again after a couple second. You can repeat this a couple of times an still back out. Let her wank you continuously long enough to get you hard and it's really hard to back out. Plus its just bad form.

Why do I do this? How a woman touches your dick tells you whether she understands sensuality or whether she just wants to get you off as quick as possible. If she just starts giving strrong jerks, bail. If she knows how to touch in ways that feel really good, it's probably going to be a good session. But as I said, you can't let it go on too long and maintain flexibiliy. Getting hard undercuts your, "I'd like to go with you, but I'm just not ready" excuse. Plus, who doesn't enjoy a good wank, even if it is brief.I like, I like and agree totally.

This is an experience that is new to me and not available here. I intend to make the most of it. Thank you again for your insight and suggestions. I was a little put off when I read some of the reports last January, but with these and other tips I am starting to look forward to the visit again.

Take Care and Keep Safe. Myr.

[M P Lurker]

When the upsell is simply for a 'fuller' experience, how about retorting: 100E for the hour? Sounds great.

I would not go for 1 hour immediately. She might turn out to be so ordinary that 15 mins will be long enough. I would say that I often upgrade to 1 hour if I am having a really good time.

The really good girls don't seem to ask how long it will be providing they are clear you understand the pricing structure.
Otherwise they might get out the card that shows 30 mins is 50 Euro, but 40 mins is 100, etc.

I have had higher than 60 minute sessions on occasions, as I was enjoying myself that much that I didn't even mind doing extended DATY on my time.

Mostly 30 mins I reserve for girls that weren't that special. But I am very slow when enjoying myself. Not really typical.

[Ekliges Lauern]

When the upsell is simply for a 'fuller' experience, how about retorting: 100E for the hour? Sounds great.

Don't do it. She is telling you she has a short program and an A game. Difference is 50E. No guarentees she will be any good for 100E. She may try to string you along for another 50E. This will mark you as a newbee and the sharks will circle.

Contrast that to this situation. I had heard good things about Czech Regi and saw her for the first time at Palace quite a while back. I told her I wanted to go with her. She wanted to get a bite to eat first but lets sit and chat while she ate. While eating she told me she didn't like going with guys for only 50E as she thought she delivered a really excellent session. She said it just wasn't fair as she was so hot and so good. She said she liked going with guy for longer than half an hour.

I countered that I really don't go with anyone for longer than a half an hour. I did tell her that I enjoyed CIM from time to time, but only after a really excellent session, somewhat as just the natural way to finish a mind blowing session, but also as a reward and recognition. She told me that was fair and was happy I viewed it that way. Off to the room we went.

Regi sucked and fucked me like a porn star. 29 minutes later, she blew me to a mind blowing orgasm. After I was done squirming, she looked up and took her mouth off my dick, smiled, opened her mouth to show me my handiwork and dramatically gulped it down. More smiles.

Regi earned the 100E and was worth it. Now she is in NRW at GT, so I can get the same performance for 75E. Moral of the story: the women are economically motived and you can use this to your advantage. Behave stupidly, and you will overpay and likely get a lackluster session.


You sly dog! That is a GREAT idea. She would have a hard time getting away with too much. Not sure about a 69 in public though. My shyness might have to be overcome by my cheapness and desire not to waste any precious euros.

If you are shy, you can alway work you way up to full blown Kino fucking by starting out with Kino BJs. Palace has a particularly comfortable setup for that.

Regarding whether to go along when she wants to go to the room from the Kino: If she looks and acts like she would have no problem with performing in a Tiajuana donkey show as long as the pay is right, she's probably asking to go to the room for reasons other than shyness.


And there is another upside to this: She will tell her clique about you, but you are also on display to the other ladies outside her clique. Word will circulate you are legit. Just as long as the rest of them don't want to only go as far as the kino!

You mentioned another trick of mine, in clique fucking. The girls talk. Pay attention which girls hang together. The Poles hang with the Poles. The Romanians hang with the Romanians, etc. If you get a really good session from a girl, take one of her friends. You probably got a good session because you were perceived as a good guy and she wants to fuck you again. Fucking her friends in her mind is better than you fucking another girl from a completely different clique. Plus you have already been bestowed with A game worthiness.

[Myrmidon]

Ekliqes Lauern & Soap Fan. Thanks guys.

Sound advice to add to my decisions. It really comes down to a good observation period, followed by select questions and observation again of the answers. Now I know why a previous poster mentioned how he felt relief, among other things, when he left for the end of his visit because it really is hard work. Like everything else worth having.

Take care and keep safe. Myr.

[Devilspinkick]

Could be a serious error! Although Kimi claimed there are no other Brazilians. Maybe she meant on her night. The mulata looking types are not Brazilian as far as I know.

I prefer to go when place is moderately busy to get more choice. Talk to other customers and see who they recommend and why.

There are some ordinary service girls, could be even a lot. The trick is how to avoid them.I appreciate your advice Soap Fan. However while I'm in Europe I'm generally looking for white meat because I get more than enough Latinas when I'm in SA (will return to Brazil this April). It' also been my observation that Brazilian ladies often get spoiled working in Europe and lose their passion. Me thinks it's better to pluck them at the source if possible.

After sampling Oase vs. The Palace, Oase won this round hands down. But as I said before there are several factors that may be responsible for a less than optimal experience. When I visit Germany again I plan to stop through Frankfurt and may give Palace another chance. To some of the regulars. Please tell the management at Palace to fix the hot water. Frigid showers make little demons cry.

DSK

[Ekliges Lauern]

Ekliqes Lauern & Soap Fan. Thanks guys.

Sound advice to add to my decisions. It really comes down to a good observation period, followed by select questions and observation again of the answers. Now I know why a previous poster mentioned how he felt relief, among other things, when he left for the end of his visit because it really is hard work. Like everything else worth having.

Take care and keep safe. Myr.

Most of my selection process is non-verbal. It is based on observation as well as interaction. The Regi situation was unique in that she came right out and said where she was coming from. I'm OK with that as there was a win-win outcome.

Others may disagree, but I think an interrogation of what a girl does and doesn't do before committing sort of spoils the mood. I'd rather test the waters on the couch or in the Kino before committing.

It shouldn't be hard work. This is supposed to be fun.

First of all, you are going to be surrounded by naked attractive women who want to suck and fuck you.

If you find the selection process tiring or stressful, there are other alternatives out there.

[Myrmidon]

Others may disagree, but I think an interrogation of what a girl does and doesn't do before committing sort of spoils the mood. I'd rather test the waters on the couch or in the Kino before committing.Interrogation is too harsh a word. I prefer suggestive conversation. Such as:Are you a good kisser?


It shouldn't be hard work. This is supposed to be fun.Quite right. Perhaps 'work' is again too strong a word. ( If not, then it is the line of work I would like to get into. ) Visiting a FKK is a new experience for me. I see it as a total experience: the selection 'game' that preceeds the 'main event', the 'main event' and the anticipatory 'recovery' period are all periods of heighten excitement.


First of all, you are going to be surrounded by naked attractive women who want to suck and fuck you.Might I add that they want 100 euros from you. This is exactly why it is so exciting! And when they make their moves on you and are centimetres from you face, etc. It must be thrilling to be both the hunted and the hunter!

The anticipation of going in April is killing me.

Thanks for your thoughts. If your in town when I'm there maybe we can compare notes.

Happy pooning all!

Myr.

[Vito Corleone]

Marina (Cuba) was around, but couldn't try her.

Red
You missed out on Marina. She was tossing my salad like there was no tomorrow!

[Vito Corleone]

Kimi works nights, but not every night.
Most likely nights: Fri, Sat, Mon and maybe some others.

She was there last Thursday & Sunday. Now that I recently sessioned with her, she looks more Brazilian & would not pass as light light skinned black chick. She was working her Gene Simmons with great skill & passion.

[Vito Corleone]

One complaint that I have with Palace, is that their showers are usually fucking cold, something I heard many people complaining about when taking showers. I've never had this problem at Artemis.

This reminds me: If any of you have visited Palace in the last week or so, could you please tell me whether you observed Roxanna/Roxanne (Lithuanian or Estonian, blond, large fake breast) there? Judging from the Oase thread, she seems to be working both there and at Palace, so perhaps I will have to make the trip to Oase to meet her if she's not at Palace currently.

Ozzy

I visited Palace twice last & the shower water was hot enough. You have to let the water run 20 seconds for the hot water.

Not sure if this Roxanna chick was there or not, but plenty of blonde babes with bolt-ons.

[M P Lurker]

She was there last Thursday & Sunday. Now that I recently sessioned with her, she looks more Brazilian & would not pass as light light skinned black chick. She was working her Gene Simmons with great skill & passion.
LOL I have to agree she generously gives her WHOLE tongue. Its wonderful. A truelly lovely girl.

I agree about the showers too. No problems. Sure they are cold if you are first there. So we just let it run a short while and then its O.K. We can't always expect the pipes to be pre-primed with hot water.

[Italia77]

Hi guys,

I apologize because I'm not reporting a trip, but I'm planning to come back to Palace in March-April, to see what is changed compare to 2008.

Guys, what about the black chicks line-up?

[Stevie69]

Greetings:

I seem to recall readingn that Wednesdays are lingerie night. I could not find the post, but in any case, is that still true? I actually think women are sexier with a little clothing, particularly if it is transparent clothing!

Thank you for any replies.

[Jackyo]

Once you develop your chops, you can confidently swim the sharky waters of the big FKKs with the top acts. If you are looking for a more risk free proposition, albiet with older and less attractive women, there are clubs in the Koeln area that might suit your needs better.
This dude speaks the truth - kind of (this serves my purposes perfectly) - but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene, the constant upsell and self-marketing, you will find the smaller, more intimate clubs in NRW are much more relaxing, less stressful and deliver a better value.

[Myrmidon]

Greetings:

I seem to recall readingn that Wednesdays are lingerie night. I could not find the post, but in any case, is that still true? I actually think women are sexier with a little clothing, particularly if it is transparent clothing!

Thank you for any replies.My research shows: Tuesday @ World, Wednesday @ Palace and Thursday @ Oase. Yummy!

[Chicafan]

This dude speaks the truth - kind of (this serves my purposes perfectly) - but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene, the constant upsell and self-marketing, you will find the smaller, more intimate clubs in NRW are much more relaxing, less stressful and deliver a better value.Sure, that's the case if you have the choice. I would be disappointed on any trip not to be able to hit Palace, GT, PHG. But if you only have a limited amount of time and for instance doing business in Frankfurt there is certainly no good reason to avoid Palace out of fear and try to make it all the way up to NRW just for your "safety". If you catch Palace on a good night or two and choose wisely you can really hit it big.

[Akibono]

This dude speaks the truth - kind of (this serves my purposes perfectly) - but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene, the constant upsell and self-marketing, you will find the smaller, more intimate clubs in NRW are much more relaxing, less stressful and deliver a better value.


The problem is not identifying the sharks. It's rather easy. The problem is that the sharks are frequently the hottest women in the clubs. The trick is how to get a good session from those hot girls (if possible at all). That has always been the problem--even in the Atlantis days.

[Ekliges Lauern]

The problem is not identifying the sharks. It's rather easy. The problem is that the sharks are frequently the hottest women in the clubs. The trick is how to get a good session from those hot girls (if possible at all). That has always been the problem--even in the Atlantis days.

Hmm. Let me think. They are prostitutes. What could possibly motivate them? This is hard. Anyone have any ideas?

[Ortos]

This dude speaks the truth - kind of (this serves my purposes perfectly) - but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene, the constant upsell and self-marketing, you will find the smaller, more intimate clubs in NRW are much more relaxing, less stressful and deliver a better value.

With all due respect, both for you and the exalted NRW clubs and scene: I think statements like: "but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene"...blah, blah do not do justice to the reality of the Hessen 3 (the so-called "tourist scene"), and may actually betray how out of touch you are with what is actually happening inside the Hessen clubs here in 2009.

I would respectfully suggest that you are guilty of painting a false picture with a single stroke of your brush, and perhaps, just perhaps, not knowing exactly what you are talking about. I hope this is not unfair. But:

If you visit any of the big clubs in Hessen on a prime day (Thus-Sun) or during a Messe event, you will encounter a huge number and variety of girls. You cannot simply with a wave of your hand say that all the girls engage in "constant upsell and self-marketing" or that all or even the vast majority of them are sharks, or rip-off artists or scammers or whatever. Do those types exist in the Hessen clubs? Sure they do! Are there more of them in the Hessen clubs than in the smaller NRW clubs: You bet, and for obvious reasons. A larger sample size will yield a larger number of bad apples.

But I believe your portrayal fo the clubs in Hessen as 'simply clubs for tourists and thus not worth the time of day of serious mongers' is both naive and far-fetched. I am sober at the moment and I can say that this is definitely a false portait. Your comments ignore the fact that one can and often will find girls that are just as service oriented as girls in NRW clubs, and many of them. You just have to know/learn/develop a sense for selecting them out of the the incredible choices that you encounter at a big club where girl numbers can reach over 50 at one time. I daresay that if you were to actually make a contemporary visit to one of these Hessen clubs, you would agree at least in part with what I am saying. But it would require a visit with an open mind and without too many pre-conceptions.

I've been to some of the NRW clubs, the smaller ones you describe, and I love them. But still I keep coming back to the Hessen clubs as my main base for several reasons. I don't think it's right to paint them as "just for tourists and newbies..." Look at some of the experienced mongers who visit both Hessen and NRW clubs on a regular basis: Dedalus, Iseeu, Hessen Bub, Radler/E.L., Toscana, on and on...

Lastly, it wasn't too long ago that it was Palace and Palace alone that was singled out for the kind of negative bashing and treatment. Some of it was justified, some of was not. But slowly we have traced similar negative points related to Oase, World, GT, Artemis, LR and and maybe even from time to time some dud session reports about --God forgive me-- Bernd's. Not often, but sometimes.

So at the risk of fighting fire with fire, I call your bluff and ask you to state categorically, Mr Jackyo, when were you last in: Oase, World, Palace? There are many girls there that could/would fit into the NRW mould and they often are a bit under the radar...because that's the way we like it, ja?

Danke fuer deine verstehnis (sorry for spelling!),

Ortos Hessen Tourist Man

[Ekliges Lauern]

Hi guys,

I apologize because I'm not reporting a trip, but I'm planning to come back to Palace in March-April, to see what is changed compare to 2008.

Guys, what about the black chicks line-up?

Can't comment on Palace, but Jamilla at Oase is a top notch dark girl. Worth a visit just to see her.

[M P Lurker]

Greetings:

I seem to recall readingn that Wednesdays are lingerie night. I could not find the post, but in any case, is that still true? I actually think women are sexier with a little clothing, particularly if it is transparent clothing!

Thank you for any replies.
Everyday at Palace is lingerie day. Many girls are wearing some silly little bits.

But the totally nude girls are doing better business.
I always recommend the girls to dispense with the rubbishy lingerie unless they really have something that needs hiding. Tried to get Nina to throw away her transparent top (no knickers) but she wouldn't budge. Must have thought her tits were not big enough.

[M P Lurker]

If you visit any of the big clubs in Hessen on a prime day (Thus-Sun) or during a Messe event, you will encounter a huge number and variety of girls. You cannot simply with a wave of your hand say that all the girls engage in "constant upsell and self-marketing" or that all or even the vast majority of them are sharks, or rip-off artists or scammers or whatever. Do those types exist in the Hessen clubs? Sure they do! Are there more of them in the Hessen clubs than in the smaller NRW clubs: You bet, and for obvious reasons. A larger sample size will yield a larger number of bad apples.

Ortos Hessen Tourist Man
I agree. Its not the number of sharks at the club that matters, its the number and quality of good girls that matters to me. If I can find adequate super girls, then I am real happy.

I think that guys with a pyschological need to keep trying unknown girls will strike quite a few upsellers, and some not so.

But those that research the forum and make a list of recommended girls will not hit this problem so much. Regulars get to know many of which girls need to be avoided.

I remember one blonde girl with very superb big naturals, who even down-sold herself saying she only wanted to do BBBJ with CIM and no sex. So I obviously did not accept.

I have only struck two upsellers in recent times and limited each to 30 mins with no extras. But this meant of a lot time spent to find out who the better girls were.
I have had 5 girls without upsell recently, and a lot of repeats. So I don't need to try every good looking girl in the place. Some have bad reputations.
Kimi got 150 out of me for 1 hour with CIM, but she didn't upsell, she just performed!

There are a few with good reputations that I haven't yet had a chance to get to yet, but mean to.

[Ekliges Lauern]

Your comments ignore the fact that one can and often will find girls that are just as service oriented as girls in NRW clubs, and many of them. You just have to know/learn/develop a sense for selecting them out of the the incredible choices that you encounter at a big club where girl numbers can reach over 50 at one time.

It's actually pretty easy pick out service oriented girls at large clubs. Just look for average looking girls that are constantly busy. German Selina (usually wears a tie-dyed turquoise sash) at Palace would be a great example. Timmendorf crinkled his nose as said she looks like an average Hausfrau. I'm sure BC and Vito would definitedly consider her troll material.

She gives a great session. Unfortunately everytime I want to go with her, she disappears to the room for a couple of hours with some other bloke. Fun personality.

Visually, she is on par with Svenja from Bernds. Selina has a hotter body, but Svenja has a slightly prettier face.

[Jackyo]

With all due respect, both for you and the exalted NRW clubs and scene: I think statements like: "but when a newbie is ready for the real thing and tired of the tourist scene"...blah, blah do not do justice to the reality of the Hessen 3 (the so-called "tourist scene"), and may actually betray how out of touch you are with what is actually happening inside the Hessen clubs here in 2009.

I would respectfully suggest that you are guilty of painting a false picture with a single stroke of your brush, and perhaps, just perhaps, not knowing exactly what you are talking about. I hope this is not unfair. But:

If you visit any of the big clubs in Hessen on a prime day (Thus-Sun) or during a Messe event, you will encounter a huge number and variety of girls. You cannot simply with a wave of your hand say that all the girls engage in "constant upsell and self-marketing" or that all or even the vast majority of them are sharks, or rip-off artists or scammers or whatever. Do those types exist in the Hessen clubs? Sure they do! Are there more of them in the Hessen clubs than in the smaller NRW clubs: You bet, and for obvious reasons. A larger sample size will yield a larger number of bad apples.

But I believe your portrayal fo the clubs in Hessen as 'simply clubs for tourists and thus not worth the time of day of serious mongers' is both naive and far-fetched. I am sober at the moment and I can say that this is definitely a false portait. Your comments ignore the fact that one can and often will find girls that are just as service oriented as girls in NRW clubs, and many of them. You just have to know/learn/develop a sense for selecting them out of the the incredible choices that you encounter at a big club where girl numbers can reach over 50 at one time. I daresay that if you were to actually make a contemporary visit to one of these Hessen clubs, you would agree at least in part with what I am saying. But it would require a visit with an open mind and without too many pre-conceptions.

I've been to some of the NRW clubs, the smaller ones you describe, and I love them. But still I keep coming back to the Hessen clubs as my main base for several reasons. I don't think it's right to paint them as "just for tourists and newbies..." Look at some of the experienced mongers who visit both Hessen and NRW clubs on a regular basis: Dedalus, Iseeu, Hessen Bub, Radler/E.L., Toscana, on and on...

Lastly, it wasn't too long ago that it was Palace and Palace alone that was singled out for the kind of negative bashing and treatment. Some of it was justified, some of was not. But slowly we have traced similar negative points related to Oase, World, GT, Artemis, LR and and maybe even from time to time some dud session reports about --God forgive me-- Bernd's. Not often, but sometimes.

So at the risk of fighting fire with fire, I call your bluff and ask you to state categorically, Mr Jackyo, when were you last in: Oase, World, Palace? There are many girls there that could/would fit into the NRW mould and they often are a bit under the radar...because that's the way we like it, ja?

Danke fuer deine verstehnis (sorry for spelling!),

Ortos Hessen Tourist Man
If I have a bad experience or even just so-so experience at a club, I don't return. There are so many clubs, so many women, so many choices.

So you can describe me as being out of touch but I am just not into masochism. If my last experience left a bad taste in my mouth, you can be sure that I'm not eager to go back to do it again any time soon.

I've done the Hessen circuit, actually used to look forward to dropping in on Atlantis way back, was (and still am in awe) of the facilities at World. But there is no compelling need to return particularly if I can arrange it that my plane not land in FRA.

I read enough negative reports about the Hessen clubs here, in French and in German and know I'm not missing anything. I've been on a Hessen boycott since 05 when my RF friends would drag me out to World kicking and screaming. Its a waste of time to visit a club and leave it ungepoppt. Chances are high when I visit one of these clubs that this is exactly what will happen.

I can visit a local place here to indulge in a sauna, go for a swim and also leave it ungepoppt and for much less than jumping on a plane for D'land.

My hard earned Euros are best invested in places where I don't have to dodge sharks or have to worry about hitting a landmine. I don't like being treated as shark bait or an ATM machine. I don't need that kind of crap.

I'll put my club resume up against anyone else's here in terms of geographic range, club diversity and time span. I've been to clubs I wish I'd not visited (I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to visit them), used to live on a diet of Red Carpet club visits before the early 2000s "arms race" in facilities, been to clubs which have since closed or been rebranded, done extensive "research" into the PT scene. The only thing I won't do is pursue the hobby south of the White Sausage Line for personal and social reasons.

The tourist clubs serve a purpose, which is fine. They will meet the needs of the average person.

I've also always said that my tastes were eigenartig.

When I am in NRW I have dozens of very acceptable clubs to visit, most of which are very accessible via public transport, where there is less of the "Hektik" and the hustle, where the women are eager to cultivate relationships and a Stammkunde. I prefer to find that "diamond in the rough", so to speak. I am extremely wary of EE Optikficks who I can't communicate with.

Yes, I've had dud sessions at the NRW clubs too and there are women with shark-like tendencies anywhere.

I know you've noticed that when I answer newbie questions about which clubs to visit, I point them at the Hessen 3. These are not clubs I visit myself but hey, if you all think they are great, maybe I'll just go along.

[M P Lurker]

It's actually pretty easy pick out service oriented girls at large clubs. Just look for average looking girls that are constantly busy.
Or the pretty girls that are constantly busy but obvious that its with customers that know them well. I manage very well while sticking to very good looking girls.

Another thing. Daytime girls are generally less likely to be sharks than nightime girls.
Today took Nicholetta. I had her before about 3 years ago but couldn't remember too well. However widely recommended on the forum. Was superb kisser, sucker, fucker, everything great GFE. So the forum didn't lie. She has a super sexy bottom too.

Also took Nina (Thai) after was well recommended by some German guys on a different day and I had chatted a long while with her. Again superb.
May go back now to catch Kimi (my regular).

Its fairly easy to miss the sharks most of the time once you get to know the girls.
In my last 18 to 20 sessions (with only 11 girls and rest repeats), only two upsellers, and both of these I still enjoyed the screw moderately well as both were lookers. So not one really bad session.

I did not take even one girl that was not pretty to my taste. Perhaps Ruby would have been the least pretty, petite but still quite nice looking. I don't get sucked in by large tits though, especially not the silicone ones. But some of the best girls have very nice tits too.

For new guys, get girls recommended by the forum or by other customers till you get a feel for what's going on.

I did go back for Kimi and she must have been extra horny because she came 3 times (which is unusual), the first one after an extended very soft DATY, and admitted it wasn't her first orgasm for the evening.
I asked her total orgasms for the day, but she indicated her lips were zipped. I suspect more than she wanted to admit to.

Nina on the other hand stopped the DATY just short of orgasm. She was scared that she wouldn't be able to continue to work properly afterwards.

[Ekliges Lauern]

Or the pretty girls that are constantly busy but obvious that its with customers that know them well. I manage very well while sticking to very good looking girls.

Yep, lots of tricks. I used my average looking girl tip because most of my sessions because my tastes these days run to girl next door types. I still go in for the real hotties once in a while.

I also included the example of Selina as she was a nice baseline comparison to a popular girl at Bernds. A below average girl looks-wise at Palace is an above average girl at Bernds. Nothing wrong with that, just something the NRW small club backers tend to gloss over.

Some might ask if I like to session with average looking girls, why do I go to the clubs with a higher quotient of eye candy. My answer is the between session visual stimulation is an intergal part of the FKK experience. I was in Pattaya recently. The city is essentially a 2km x 0.5km brothel. Given my tastes, finding women I liked was a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. A few minutes of chit chat and observing her body language would tell you if she was going to be service oriented or not. One thing I missed in comparison to an FKK was the visual stimulation of being surrounded by beatiful women. I found myself going to go-gos, not because I was going to be doing takeout from these places, but because I wanted to spend a couple of hours oogling and feeling up some hotties.

[Euro100]

ok, so we have another one of these nrw vs. hessen arguments bubbling up. in my book this means that there are not enough real reports, and people are getting bored; so they pick arguments.

jackyo, while i respect your opinions a lot, on this one you are just not right. there is really no quality difference between nrw and the hessen big 3 as far as high quality service is concerned. you can get top service everywhere, and you can draw a dud everywhere. (i have done both in both arenas ... many many times). as is the case with most aspects of sex: it's all in the head. my point is that if you go to a club expecting to find bad service, then guess what, you will find bad service. and, yes, the opposite is also true. if you treat the girls right, they will do the same for you. yes, yes, i know, there are rip-offs. but they can happen anywhere. and yes, palace is perhaps a bit more likely to let that happen. but to throw all of the hessen big 3 into the same category is generalizing just too much.

i am as big a fan of bernds as there is. but even i will admit that palace, world and oase have some women that top anything found at bernds in terms of sheer stunning beauty. each and every club has its own special aspects, and it pays to go there with open eyes and explore what they have to offer.

so please let's stop attacking each other's choices. it really serves no purpose. plus, think about what would happen if you (anybody, really, who participates in these kinds of arguments) would succeed in convincing that your favorite club and perhaps even favorite girl(s) is the best: everybody would run to that place and this girl, and it would be so crowded that all of the fun would be taken out of going there (yogi berra's "nobody goes there - it's too crowded" comes to mind) :d

one last contribution in defense of those who only go with the stunner, sharks or not, tor****s be damned: yes, it is true that the law of supply and demand dictates that there is a higher probability that you draw a cold and calculating processor-of-men when you do this. but look at it this way: if you bed a stunner and she turns out to be shark, you still had a nice optikfick. on the other hand, if you bed an average-looking gal and she turns out to be a cold fish, then you got ... your wife :d

ok, ok, i stop here before the real flaming starts. let's just have fun, report on the findings, and let's leave it at that. peace out euro.

[Shark16]

Thanks to Euro100 for chiming in. I so concur with his arguments, which can be summarized in this sentence: "Each and every club has its own special aspects, and it pays to go there with open eyes and explore what they have to offer."

After having made my virgin trip to Bernd's I must say that it is a fantastic club which gave me some very special experiences. But so does the Hessen Three. Life's realities bring me to Frankfurt from time to time, and although I would gladly return to Bernd's to relive the fantastic time I had there, I do not feel any great need to drop the Hessen Three for Bernd's. There are plenty of enjoyable experiences to be had in Hessen. With an open mind you can have fun in all of these places.

Peace!

[Excess]

Having been absent with mundane matters of business for awhile, enjoyed reading the posts on 'this is better than that' provided by many respected posters and inspectors of all things FKK.

I do have my favs and have not been able to devote much towel time to the Hessen triangle so am unable to provide a proper compare and contrast to NRW. When I am able to arrange another visit to the lower trinity - I know who I will ask to be my guides.

I do have the attitude when entering less familiar surroundings to be very positive until proven otherwise. Simply attempting to get the best out of a club visit and there is usually some best to get if approached positively. If not, I have had worse life experiences than spending time in a disappointing FKK with wafts of estrogen in the atmosphere. As I have mentioned before my favorite club is the one that I am in at the time. Post coital and visit analysis then provides a benchmark from Never (well maybe) return to Must visit again.

Three FKK maxims I try to adhere to is mentally write off a bad session when it happens to a pilot error on my part and look forward to the next session. Bad session girls and clubs that are less than up to my standards are penalised in my mind at least by not further patronising them with my Euros. The other is to reward exemplary sessions with session extension, further effort on my part to make a session out of the hum drum for all involved, and to provide further sessions to those outstanding providers - never cash. Works for me, at least.

I look forward to upcoming visits to something new and something not so new with equal anticipation. For the record, I have never had the same old, same old in any of the clubs visited since every time I strap on the towel or visit a cabaret the adrenelin rises and something more or less pleasurable always turns up with proper research and attention to the task at hand. Pop till you drop, gents.

[M P Lurker]

I am as big a fan of Bernds as there is. But even I will admit that Palace, World and Oase have some women that top anything found at Bernds in terms of sheer stunning beauty. Each and every club has its own special aspects, and it pays to go there with open eyes and explore what they have to offer.

I am warped towards beauty. I feel that if I can get a great GFE session with a stunner, then I am sort of living the dream fantasy. Therefore very ordinary looking girls are going to be unlikely to hook me. So I may never get to somewhere like Bernd's.

The Palace is simply the closest place to work and where I stay. And the supply of stunners with wonderful performance is more than adequate.

I think the average standard of Oase may be slightly above the Palace but more stunners at Palace so far in my experience. Well not quite true. There were a couple of absolute stunners at Oase last time I was there, but I was warned against them by BC. But must go back soon to try the highly recommended Michelle and Jamilla. Neither are absolutely stunning but very nice looking all the same.

I will try World one day soon, and hope to catch Czech Linda/Carolina with the F's for old times sake.

[Jackyo]

so please let's stop attacking each other's choices. it really serves no purpose. plus, think about what would happen if you (anybody, really, who participates in these kinds of arguments) would succeed in convincing that your favorite club and perhaps even favorite girl(s) is the best: everybody would run to that place and this girl, and it would be so crowded that all of the fun would be taken out of going there (yogi berra's "nobody goes there - it's too crowded" comes to mind) :d
i am all for a healthy debate.

if folks get riled up enough to spend minutes writing up posts, that is an expression of passion. its a reflection of a true sense of commitment to the hobby. (this hobby, by the way, is, imho, the ultimate hobby. there are guys who collect stamps, skydive, climb to the tops of mountains, etc.. its something men have pursued since they stood on two legs. and the women practice the world's oldest profession. what can be more basic than that?)

get out there and form an opinion. this is what matters.

this is, in the end, a consumer forum.

if the consumers don't speak up and express opinions, their likes and dislikes and demand the best from their club visits, there is no value to this forum.

i do hear you about folks crowding my favorite club and overbooking my favorite chick. i always have mixed feelings about making overwhelmingly positive reviews.

one last contribution in defense of those who only go with the stunner, sharks or not, tor****s be damned: yes, it is true that the law of supply and demand dictates that there is a higher probability that you draw a cold and calculating processor-of-men when you do this. but look at it this way: if you bed a stunner and she turns out to be shark, you still had a nice optikfick. on the other hand, if you bed an average-looking gal and she turns out to be a cold fish, then you got ... your wife :d
ha!

now are you sure you aren't a clone of iseeu or if not his long lost twin?

i've missed the chance to hook with him twice already. he is as elusive as the scarlet pimpernel.

[Iseeu]

I am warped towards beauty. I feel that if I can get a great GFE session with a stunner, then I am sort of living the dream fantasy. Therefore very ordinary looking girls are going to be unlikely to hook me. So I may never get to somewhere like Bernd's.

Hey SF,
The myth that Bernd's only has ordinary looking girls, is a myth. Just that. I'll grant as Euro has correctly stated that due to law of averages, you'll find many more optificks at the larger clubs. But at the smaller clubs there'll still be some stunners to fulfill your fantasy. And knowing your prediliction for LOS style service, you certainly won't be disappointed on that measure either. I'm happy to serve as your guide and driver to help you take your first plunge. Read your PM.

[Iseeu]

one last contribution in defense of those who only go with the stunner, sharks or not, tor****s be damned: yes, it is true that the law of supply and demand dictates that there is a higher probability that you draw a cold and calculating processor-of-men when you do this. but look at it this way: if you bed a stunner and she turns out to be shark, you still had a nice optikfick. on the other hand, if you bed an average-looking gal and she turns out to be a cold fish, then you got ... your wife.


now are you sure you aren't a clone of iseeu or if not his long lost twin?

i've missed the chance to hook with him twice already. he is as elusive as the scarlet pimpernel.
he surely is my long- lost twin :-)

me, elusive? wish it were true. my work load would be alot less. just let me know when you're planning to be on the right side of the pond. i'm still over there a couple of times a month.

but, you have given me an idea for my new moniker here if i decide to follow the trend started by bc, sf and el and change it to preserve my elusive anonymity. meet your new superhero, "the scarlet pimpernel! able to avoid sharks in a single bound, and who disguised as a mild-mannered middle-aged white guy in a generic towel, effortlessly charms naked womenfolk to provide great gfe sessions for the benefit of all men and fights for liberty from scams, justice in fees and the mongering way."

[Ekliges Lauern]

The myth that Bernd's only has ordinary looking girls, is a myth. Just that.

My offer still stands of using a known monger with a predisposition for eye candy, such as Vito or BC, as a test case with Bernds.

I also offered baselining data to back it up: Svenja (upper half Bernds) ~ Selina (lower half Palace). As previously mentioned, no disrespect intended to either lady, they both deliver exceptional sessions.

I stand by my statement, the women at Bernds are on average older and less attractive than the women at Palace. I would also say the women at F39 (a club I am quite fond of) are on average also older and less attractive than the women at Palace.

We do a disservice to our bretheren with a predisposition for eye candy when we pretend otherwise.

[Ekliges Lauern]

If I have a bad experience or even just so-so experience at a club, I don't return. There are so many clubs, so many women, so many choices.

So you can describe me as being out of touch but I am just not into masochism. If my last experience left a bad taste in my mouth, you can be sure that I'm not eager to go back to do it again any time soon.

I've done the Hessen circuit, actually used to look forward to dropping in on Atlantis way back, was (and still am in awe) of the facilities at World. But there is no compelling need to return particularly if I can arrange it that my plane not land in FRA.

I read enough negative reports about the Hessen clubs here, in French and in German and know I'm not missing anything. I've been on a Hessen boycott since 05 when my RF friends would drag me out to World kicking and screaming. Its a waste of time to visit a club and leave it ungepoppt. Chances are high when I visit one of these clubs that this is exactly what will happen.

I can visit a local place here to indulge in a sauna, go for a swim and also leave it ungepoppt and for much less than jumping on a plane for D'land.

My hard earned Euros are best invested in places where I don't have to dodge sharks or have to worry about hitting a landmine. I don't like being treated as shark bait or an ATM machine. I don't need that kind of crap.

I'll put my club resume up against anyone else's here in terms of geographic range, club diversity and time span. I've been to clubs I wish I'd not visited (I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to visit them), used to live on a diet of Red Carpet club visits before the early 2000s "arms race" in facilities, been to clubs which have since closed or been rebranded, done extensive "research" into the PT scene. The only thing I won't do is pursue the hobby south of the White Sausage Line for personal and social reasons.

The tourist clubs serve a purpose, which is fine. They will meet the needs of the average person.

I've also always said that my tastes were eigenartig.

When I am in NRW I have dozens of very acceptable clubs to visit, most of which are very accessible via public transport, where there is less of the "Hektik" and the hustle, where the women are eager to cultivate relationships and a Stammkunde. I prefer to find that "diamond in the rough", so to speak. I am extremely wary of EE Optikficks who I can't communicate with.

Yes, I've had dud sessions at the NRW clubs too and there are women with shark-like tendencies anywhere.

I know you've noticed that when I answer newbie questions about which clubs to visit, I point them at the Hessen 3. These are not clubs I visit myself but hey, if you all think they are great, maybe I'll just go along.
There are three issues with your posts:

1. What works for Jackyo.

I’m happy for you that you have found market segment that meets your needs and expectations. No one is telling you that you should change your tastes and like other clubs. I don’t really care if you ever visit a big Hessen club again.

2. How you represent yourself when posting

I think it is fair to say that the expectation of most participants is that information posted is based on A) first-hand experience and B) reasonably current information. I think you are deceiving newbees if you are recommending or bashing various clubs that you have not been to for 4 years (best case) or have never been to. Or at least put a disclaimer that your guidance is based on reading forums and not actually going to these clubs.

My second point is that clubs change over time. There was a poster who did a tour of NRW stopping in at Coccon, Wiago and Park Sauna Wildenrath. This would have been a great tour in 2003. However, in 2008 he was likely to be disappointed. Similarly, your most current first-hand experience with the Hessen clubs is 4 years ago. You do a disservice to the forum when you comment on clubs you have not visited in 4 years (best case) or never (worst case). You have no first-hand knowledge of how the clubs are at present.

My suggestion would be to share your knowledge of the clubs which you actually do visit and leave commenting on clubs where you have no recent first-hand knowledge to others who have visited them. I’ll remind you that we are in the Palace thread, a club which you have never stated whether you have actually ever visited.

3. How you represent clubs you don’t visit and those that visit them

Referring to clubs you don’t like, and has been previously noted, as “for tourists only” is insulting. At any of the big Hessen three, local Germans are the majority of guests. As Ortos has noted, many respected and experienced mongers enjoy the big Hessen clubs. Statements like: “The tourist clubs serve a purpose, which is fine. They will meet the needs of the average person.” imply that clubs you don’t like are only for “tourists” and those that like them are “average”.

Also, statements like: “I'll put my club resume up against anyone else's here in terms of geographic range, club diversity and time span.” are difficult to read without the P word coming to mind. For the record, I suspect you have me on years (started 2000), but I’ll happily match up my geographical diversity (Canada, Australia, many countries in Asia and of course Hesse) against yours. Of course what does that prove?

On a final note regarding the “Timmy Tourist” discussion, I was in Pattaya recently. I am convinced that the “Tobias Tourists” are ruining the Thai scene for the rest of us. A certain amount of negotiation is to be expected in Thailand when securing the company of a lady in either a bar or on the street. The negotiation is to be conducted with a smile and without the other person losing face. In response, to a lady quoting a price that was over market, I would smile playfully and laugh and say, “I’m not Japanese, you know”. That was almost always sufficient to move them to the market price and an agreement would be struck exchanging smiles. I don’t know how many times I witnessed scowling Germans negotiating with frowning Thai girls. I can imagine how those sessions turned out once they got in the room. My concern is the Germans are pissing off the Thai girls and turning them against Europeans in general.

[Ortos]

My dear fellow esteemed monger brothers,

A couple of days ago --shit it seems like a month ago-- I happened to read another one of my good friend Jackyo's comments (snide remarks?) putting down the Hessen clubs, etc., and I launched my own counter post (partly in jest, and partly because like Jackyo himself has annunciated: Many of us like a good healthy debate) to balance his views/comments. The result has been the very "healthy debate" that we now see forming and continuing. Warum nicht? (Although, once again I feel a bit guilty for carrying out this wonderful exchange of views on the poor Palace thread, rather than on the General one. But this thread is no stranger to passionate arguments, exagerations, etc., so wtf, eh?). Anyway since I probably started all this I feel a need to make a few more comments by way of clarification:

Jackyo is alright here, really. He and I are NOT carrying out any kind of flame war or even angry argument. He just makes comments putting down Hessen clubs partly out of fun and jest and partly because he really does believe NRW is better value for money and better mongering overall. He and I have been tossing our own extreme views back and forth for while now and it is just a friendly banter. I love the guy, really I do! Even though I've never met the bloke yet (I know: I'm in Hessen too much and he is NRW small clubs and PTs), though I hope that will one day be rectified. (Hey, when do we organise a real summit meeting where we can all meet and present our views as papers delivered in a scientific conference? Where to hold it: In Hessen or D-dorf? LOL!).

He has always admitted in a gentlemanly manner when he is wrong, and never attacks me or anybody else in a mean or out of line way. And now by his own admission we know he has not been to these Hessen clubs for years (if at all) and, again by his own admission, he is just trying to protect his lair, his turf, by sending the increasing wave of new mongers down to the larger clubs of Hessen that he feels, probably correctly, are more approriate venues and can better absorb the flow of new monger blood (or should I say "meat?"). I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you: Don't take ourselves too seriously here.

As for which is best: This really is so subjective that it is just a fun argument not meant to really convince anybody. Those who read any post here recommending this club or that, or this girl or that, should always take it with a large measure of salt! Please: Don't think Bernd's is NOT worth any mongers time of day just because one or two don't get excited by the girls there. The place is top-notch! And please: Don't think Palace is a waste of time just becuase there are so many reports of rip-offs. We've been through this too many times. It's just that too many of us fall into the trap of putting a club into a box or category just based on second-hand views. You want to know if Bernd's is really the king of all Fkk experiences? Fucking go there and look for yourself! Don't trust anybody else. If you do, you miss out...Miss out big time, just the way guys who have never been to Hessen or have been there years ago or whatever put into a box and say: It's just for tourists, or it lacks this or that dynamic and if I go to one of these clubs I would leave "ungepoppt!"

Lol!! My dear friend Jackyo, this is where I discovered that you were just making the point to support your central argument. Nobody with your kind of mongering experience and intelligence could possibly leave a club like World or Oase or Palace (with 40+ girls of all kinds of backgrounds, shapes, sizes and service-orientations, really the full spectrum) "ungepoppt," unless he really wanted to...Just to prove a point? Come on, mate. You crack me up, really. Just the way the great Archie Bunker used to... You ain't no anti-Hessen Bigot, are you?

Anyway it's all good fun and healthy debate and this is being carried out in a non-volatile manner. That's good.

Ortos

[Iseeu]

I am warped towards beauty. I feel that if I can get a great GFE session with a stunner, then I am sort of living the dream fantasy. Therefore very ordinary looking girls are going to be unlikely to hook me. So I may never get to somewhere like Bernd's.

My offer still stands of using a known monger with a predisposition for eye candy, such as Vito or BC, as a test case with Bernds.

I also offered baselining data to back it up: Svenja (upper half Bernds) ~ Selina (lower half Palace). As previously mentioned, no disrespect intended to either lady, they both deliver exceptional sessions.

I stand by my statement, the women at Bernds are on average older and less attractive than the women at Palace. I would also say the women at F39 (a club I am quite fond of) are on average also older and less attractive than the women at Palace.

We do a disservice to our bretheren with a predisposition for eye candy when we pretend otherwise.
As I think I wrote when you first proposed this, the judges need to not only have a predisposition for eye candy, but also a discerning eye for good service, and effective antenna for scoping out scams.

IMO, the issue is not where there are more optificks; there's no argument on that, as by default the smaller clubs lose out to the Hessen 3. Nor is it, where the woman are more attractive, which is a subjective measure in any case. Rather, it's where you are more likely to find a combination of looks, skills and attitude, that elusive mix which while it may be found with some of the best providers in most of the good clubs, is the house standard at the Hof.

As Excess very discerningly wrote, each club visit is a new experience, and all I'm looking for is 3- 6 women with that combination during each visit. The rest is scenery, filler, and while nice to look at it during breaks, is not the main event. Find me a club with only 6 women, but who all meet that criteria, and I would be perfectly satisfied, since I don't need more. Of course, find me a club with 50 women like that and I would be happier, and take up residency:-).

In my travels, I have only been able to consistently find 3-6 women at Oase and Bernd's. Not because they don't exist at Palace, World or any of the others. It's because at Oase and Bernd's, my regular haunts, I know how to find them. At Oase, I have my list of regulars, to which I try add a new contributor during each visit. At Bernd's, they're everywhere that you look.

Sorry, I don't know Selina at Palace, but I do know Svenja of Bernd's well and she is not in the upper half of performers at Bernd's. She is just one of the crowd, by Bernd's standards, average in looks and performance. I will accept your view that she would be in the lower half looks wise at Palace, but that's a subjective view and there may be some that disagree with you. But her average performance level at Bernd's will probably still put her in the upper half of service level at Palace.

I agree that the women of F39 are on average older than the women at Palace, but I don't know if I can agree with you on this with regards to Bernd's. I don't know the average age at Palace today, and my last trip there on a cold miserable Friday a week before Christmas could not have been a good indication, since there were some really old and ugly hags on the prowl that night. I believe that the average age in Bernd's is probably equal to or may be just a bit higher than Palace. Not a significant difference. The OMA and MILF myths are unfounded.

And once again attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder and a very subjective thing, but, by any measure there are some very fine looking women at Bernd's. No teenies, but some very attractive women, and since they sit real close by, don't cover up with shawls, shorts, or other such nonsense, can't be in constant movement since the circuit around the club takes all of 2 minutes and there's nowhere to hide, you can sit, stare, take it all in and become very familiar with their every curve and crevice, all day along.

It is a myth that Bernd'd only has ordinary looking women just as it is a myth that Palace only has sharks and scammers. Come on- we both know that neither of these are true.

[Jackyo]

There are three issues with your posts:

1. What works for Jackyo.

I’m happy for you that you have found market segment that meets your needs and expectations. No one is telling you that you should change your tastes and like other clubs. I don’t really care if you ever visit a big Hessen club again.

2. How you represent yourself when posting

I think it is fair to say that the expectation of most participants is that information posted is based on A) first-hand experience and B) reasonably current information. I think you are deceiving newbees if you are recommending or bashing various clubs that you have not been to for 4 years (best case) or have never been to. Or at least put a disclaimer that your guidance is based on reading forums and not actually going to these clubs.

My second point is that clubs change over time. There was a poster who did a tour of NRW stopping in at Coccon, Wiago and Park Sauna Wildenrath. This would have been a great tour in 2003. However, in 2008 he was likely to be disappointed. Similarly, your most current first-hand experience with the Hessen clubs is 4 years ago. You do a disservice to the forum when you comment on clubs you have not visited in 4 years (best case) or never (worst case). You have no first-hand knowledge of how the clubs are at present.

My suggestion would be to share your knowledge of the clubs which you actually do visit and leave commenting on clubs where you have no recent first-hand knowledge to others who have visited them. I’ll remind you that we are in the Palace thread, a club which you have never stated whether you have actually ever visited.

3. How you represent clubs you don’t visit and those that visit them

Referring to clubs you don’t like, and has been previously noted, as “for tourists only” is insulting. At any of the big Hessen three, local Germans are the majority of guests. As Ortos has noted, many respected and experienced mongers enjoy the big Hessen clubs. Statements like: “The tourist clubs serve a purpose, which is fine. They will meet the needs of the average person.” imply that clubs you don’t like are only for “tourists” and those that like them are “average”.

Also, statements like: “I'll put my club resume up against anyone else's here in terms of geographic range, club diversity and time span.” are difficult to read without the P word coming to mind. For the record, I suspect you have me on years (started 2000), but I’ll happily match up my geographical diversity (Canada, Australia, many countries in Asia and of course Hesse) against yours. Of course what does that prove?

On a final note regarding the “Timmy Tourist” discussion, I was in Pattaya recently. I am convinced that the “Tobias Tourists” are ruining the Thai scene for the rest of us. A certain amount of negotiation is to be expected in Thailand when securing the company of a lady in either a bar or on the street. The negotiation is to be conducted with a smile and without the other person losing face. In response, to a lady quoting a price that was over market, I would smile playfully and laugh and say, “I’m not Japanese, you know”. That was almost always sufficient to move them to the market price and an agreement would be struck exchanging smiles. I don’t know how many times I witnessed scowling Germans negotiating with frowning Thai girls. I can imagine how those sessions turned out once they got in the room. My concern is the Germans are pissing off the Thai girls and turning them against Europeans in general.
... I'll never understand.

Me thinks you take this a bit too seriously.

Ortos and I have a friendly exchange of banter everytime we intersect but you, on the other hand, seem to think personal attacks are appropriate.

Other than "rediscovering" F39, what new clubs have you brought into the fold? What have you done for the team lately to further knowledge in this field? Or are you dedicated to staying on the beaten path and letting others take it for the team?

Palace? Been there, done that. Not returning.

I can describe visits to the Frankfurt RLD from thirty years ago, twenty years ago, ten years ago and five years ago. Guess what? Other than the girls being different, the modus operandi hasn't changed, the same negotiating skills are necessary. I'm not qualified to describe how the FRA RLD works and how the women function? These things don't change.

[Dedalus]

Hey All,

Interesting, and refreshingly civil discussion.

Ortos, you correctly point out that I am a devotee of the Hessen Big-3. Many reasons for this: Convenience of location in comparison to my coordinates, my frequency in and through the travel-hub Frankfurt, etc. Plus, I know a number of gals that set up shop in World/Oase/Palace who are top-notch providers, regardless of whatever measuring stick a guy uses. Clearly, neither you nor I hold truck with the notion that the Hessen joints contain nothing of interest for the discriminating monger.

However, even though I have yet to meet Jackyo personally, I suspect that the two of us are in lock-step as what a Top FKK experience and high caliber service from the ladies SHOULD be.

It’s well known that of the Hessen-3, Palace is my least favorite, even though it pains me to admit that during several visits to World in the last few months (my sentimental favorite of the three), the general attitude of many gals at World was pretty “Palace-like”. I am hoping this will have improved by Thursday.

I have been to Palace recently and can certainly understand the people who have problems with the joint. (To my detractors who want detailed reports of my travels: Do you really need me or anyone else to provide another glowing review of Maria, Monika, Indira or Charly? I think those subjects have been adequately covered on this board and others.)

Also I certainly agree with the notion that if one’s club “chops” are on, then it is possible to negotiate through any club’s potential landmines. How I differ from most people is WHERE one should develop these “chops”.

I would think that Tommy Tourist would fair much better and get a better lay of the land at say, Oase or Golden Time or, if he has the heart for it Bernd’s. Actually Bernd’s would be a great intro for your typical newbie. I’ll leave the “quality” of the Bernd’s ladies for others to argue about, but I know no one who complains about the service standard there.

In fact, it would be an interesting (if unrealistic) experiment to take every potential Palace newbie to Bernd’s first. Then to say, GT where it seems to me the sharks stick out a bit more than other places. Then take them to Oase. Then have them finish off at Palace.

Just imagine the possible effect on Palace if every Tommy Tourist went there with high service expectations and honed FKK “chops”. Might do the place some good as far as the overall service standards.

I cut my FKK teeth in dens like Dolce Vita, Babylon, PHG (back when the place just plain rocked) Wiago, the Red Carpets, and Oase in its beginnings. When the Hessen clubs started to attract ladies of a more aggressive nature who were less service oriented, I was well prepared. Still get tagged by a dud now and then, but for the most part I got the signs down. Chops, man. Paid dues and earned the chops.

For me, Palace usually comes into question if I know one of my favorites will be in, or if travel logistics make it the only option. I’ve been making a point in recent months to try at least one new girl for every club visit, and I just don’t feel so comfortable doing this at Palace. In all fairness, I had pretty sub-standard results doing this at World in recent visits as well. Oase has more often than not been a goldmine.

I also have little confidence that the Palace management will ever do anything to improve the standards there. I’m not speaking about the ladies at the front or at the bar. They have always been very pleasant to deal with. However Klaus, that bald-headed, googly-eyed goober who looks like a cross between a Budweiser frog and the Red Dog Beer hound is a putz. The jerk once told me that he’s not at all bothered by the pimps who hang out at his club, either recruiting or putting pressure on their “girlfriends” to bring home the bacon. Yes, I know this happens at all three Hessen clubs, and it can get pretty strange at World too at times. I suspect that if both clubs could keep out the “gigolos”, then service standards would get better.

No club is perfect. That is clear. And, to each his own. That should also be clear. It is however interesting that most of the controversy with regards to a club’s quality takes place on the Palace thread. I don’t believe that this is an accident.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Ortos]

I also have little confidence that the Palace management will ever do anything to improve the standards there. I’m not speaking about the ladies at the front or at the bar. They have always been very pleasant to deal with. However Klaus, that bald-headed, googly-eyed goober who looks like a cross between a Budweiser frog and the Red Dog Beer hound is a putz. The jerk once told me that he’s not at all bothered by the pimps who hang out at his club, either recruiting or putting pressure on their “girlfriends” to bring home the bacon.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Nice post, Dedalus. You put much in perspective here.

About the manager bulldog at Palace, who if my memory serves looks a bit like Bob Hoskins or an older, out of shape Phil Collins, your text above reminded me of this:

I remember sometime last year I made an afternoon visit to Palace. The place was not hopping, and when I entered the shower room looking forward to a nice wash up after a particularly satsfying though sweaty and soiling session, I noticed nobody was in there except a fully clothed short bald-headed man walking around looking at the shower heads. I waited a minute or two for the guy to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off so I could take my shower, but he just hung around in there. I had no idea who he was, and he actually gave me a slight vibe of being a creep. I don't know the guy just bothered me by being there. I really thought he was some kind of wierdo. So I just hit the shower discharge button a few times and thstarted my shower. Of course some of the spray hitting the floor diverted back to him and he got a bit wet...which was partly my intention to get him out of there. I pretended not to even notice, but as he did depart the room he gave me a rather unfriendly stare.

Later, when I was leaving, I saw him again behind the reception desk talking with the girl who worked there handing out keys to guys. So I figured out he was the manager. He again stared at me with that unfriendly glare, LOL! I had soaked the manager of the place...but he was being such a jerk hanging out there and not saying anything to me when he knew full well I was eager to get a shower.

Sorry for soaking your best mate, Dedalus! LOL

Ortos

[M P Lurker]

It is a myth that Bernd'd only has ordinary looking women just as it is a myth that Palace only has sharks and scammers. Come on- we both know that neither of these are true.
Its very unfortunate how people like to generalise about these places.

I think I will probably go where ever is convenient in times available and provides reasonable opportunities.

Sometimes I may really go out of my way for a very special girl that I know already. Will try to find a chance to get to some clubs other than Palace and Oase soon.

I first started at Tropicana as was in city at Duesseldorf and next frequented Phoenix in Stuttgart, again located in city. I didn't have a car to go far afield but would sometimes catch the ICEs, if working in a location with no FKK, e.g Rotterdam

[Ekliges Lauern]

... I'll never understand. Me thinks you take this a bit too seriously. Ortos and I have a friendly exchange of banter everytime we intersect but you, on the other hand, seem to think personal attacks are appropriate.

Sorry, I’m just not seeing the “personal attacks” in what I wrote. I simply pointed out that the expectation of most forum participants is that unless otherwise noted, information posted be based on A) first-hand experience and B) reasonably current. To say you do a disservice to the forum by commenting on clubs you have not visited within 4 years (or not at all) is not a personal attack.

I also believed I noted that labeling clubs that other mongers enjoy as “for tourists only” is insulting. I believe you have been called out by several of the forum participants regarding the fallacy of that statement. If you took that as a personal attack, well sorry, I’m less than sympathetic.

I suggest you are unfairly characterizing my post as a personal attack, rather than dealing with the merits of my post. I noticed you wrote two antagonistic responses to an earlier post of mine and deleted them. Then, you acknowledged the merits or what I wrote with “This dude speaks the truth - kind of (this serves my purposes perfectly)”. I’m somewhat curious what your “purposes” are. For the record, mine are to crack a snarky joke or two and to give back to the community in payment for information I received over the years. Occasionally this will involve correcting misinformation posted here, which some choose to interpret as “personal attacks”.


Other than "rediscovering" F39, what new clubs have you brought into the fold? What have you done for the team lately to further knowledge in this field? Or are you dedicated to staying on the beaten path and letting others take it for the team?

September to December 2008 Reviews

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830404&postcount=142
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=830358&postcount=3444
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=829376&postcount=3570
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=818915&postcount=3419
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=809422&postcount=138
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=809421&postcount=792
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=808470&postcount=135
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=787074&postcount=2971

Niloticus in Sontra, I take it you don’t regard Niloticus as off the beaten path:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=785761&postcount=1880

I can go on, I just got tired of searching and cutting and pasting. I would note that all information posted is based on first-hand experience and is reasonably current.


Palace? Been there, done that. Not returning.

No one is trying to get you to go there. Different strokes for different folks. Just to clear things up, could you tell us the year of your last visit to Palace?


I can describe visits to the Frankfurt RLD from thirty years ago, twenty years ago, ten years ago and five years ago. Guess what? Other than the girls being different, the modus operandi hasn't changed, the same negotiating skills are necessary. I'm not qualified to describe how the FRA RLD works and how the women function? These things don't change.

I’m tempted to ask if this based on first-hand experience. It is certainly not reasonably current.

I am not a Laufhaus sort of guy. I occasionally window shop, but the RLD is not my scene. None the less I would be very surprised if the fall of the iron curtain and the influx of EE women did not have an significant positive impact on the Laufhaus scene. Similarly, I would expected the rise of the FKKs would have negatively impacted the Laufhaus scene. Your example proves my point about the need for first-hand and reasonably current information. Not that I don't enjoy a stroll down memory lane as much as the next guy, I just think out of date information should be clearly labeled as such, lest we send some poor newbee in search of the delights to be found at Atlantis or Park Sauna Wildenrath.

Cheers,
EL

[Vito Corleone]

Hi guys,

I apologize because I'm not reporting a trip, but I'm planning to come back to Palace in March-April, to see what is changed compare to 2008.

Guys, what about the black chicks line-up?
I only remember seeing 1-2 black women & this includes Marina from Cuba. World had about 5-6 black women working.

[Vito Corleone]

one last contribution in defense of those who only go with the stunner, sharks or not, tor****s be damned: yes, it is true that the law of supply and demand dictates that there is a higher probability that you draw a cold and calculating processor-of-men when you do this. but look at it this way: if you bed a stunner and she turns out to be shark, you still had a nice optikfick. on the other hand, if you bed an average-looking gal and she turns out to be a cold fish, then you got ... your wife :d

i couldn't agree more about the stunners. lol about the wife comment. never been married, but heard many stories.

[Vito Corleone]

I will try World one day soon, and hope to catch Czech Linda/Carolina with the F's for old times sake.
Linda was around 2 weeks ago, but very busy. Train & taxi to World 30E. Entry to World 50E. BBBJ from Linda ....... PRICELESS!

[Vito Corleone]

As I think I wrote when you first proposed this, the judges need to not only have a predisposition for eye candy, but also a discerning eye for good service, and effective antenna for scoping out scams.

IMO, the issue is not where there are more optificks; there's no argument on that, as by default the smaller clubs lose out to the Hessen 3. Nor is it, where the woman are more attractive, which is a subjective measure in any case. Rather, it's where you are more likely to find a combination of looks, skills and attitude, that elusive mix which while it may be found with some of the best providers in most of the good clubs, is the house standard at the Hof.

As Excess very discerningly wrote, each club visit is a new experience, and all I'm looking for is 3- 6 women with that combination during each visit. The rest is scenery, filler, and while nice to look at it during breaks, is not the main event. Find me a club with only 6 women, but who all meet that criteria, and I would be perfectly satisfied, since I don't need more. Of course, find me a club with 50 women like that and I would be happier, and take up residency:-).

In my travels, I have only been able to consistently find 3-6 women at Oase and Bernd's. Not because they don't exist at Palace, World or any of the others. It's because at Oase and Bernd's, my regular haunts, I know how to find them. At Oase, I have my list of regulars, to which I try add a new contributor during each visit. At Bernd's, they're everywhere that you look.

Sorry, I don't know Selina at Palace, but I do know Svenja of Bernd's well and she is not in the upper half of performers at Bernd's. She is just one of the crowd, by Bernd's standards, average in looks and performance. I will accept your view that she would be in the lower half looks wise at Palace, but that's a subjective view and there may be some that disagree with you. But her average performance level at Bernd's will probably still put her in the upper half of service level at Palace.

I agree that the women of F39 are on average older than the women at Palace, but I don't know if I can agree with you on this with regards to Bernd's. I don't know the average age at Palace today, and my last trip there on a cold miserable Friday a week before Christmas could not have been a good indication, since there were some really old and ugly hags on the prowl that night. I believe that the average age in Bernd's is probably equal to or may be just a bit higher than Palace. Not a significant difference. The OMA and MILF myths are unfounded.

And once again attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder and a very subjective thing, but, by any measure there are some very fine looking women at Bernd's. No teenies, but some very attractive women, and since they sit real close by, don't cover up with shawls, shorts, or other such nonsense, can't be in constant movement since the circuit around the club takes all of 2 minutes and there's nowhere to hide, you can sit, stare, take it all in and become very familiar with their every curve and crevice, all day along.

It is a myth that Bernd'd only has ordinary looking women just as it is a myth that Palace only has sharks and scammers. Come on- we both know that neither of these are true.
I am still interested in visiting Bernd's one day, but I wouldn't go out of my way either. If I happen to be in town & a fellow monger plans to visit, then I would between Monday-Wed. It is also a myth that I only like optifuks. A stunner with a hot bod & great service turns into really long sessions.

[Vito Corleone]

About the manager bulldog at Palace, who if my memory serves looks a bit like Bob Hoskins or an older, out of shape Phil Collins, your text above reminded me of this:

I remember sometime last year I made an afternoon visit to Palace. The place was not hopping, and when I entered the shower room looking forward to a nice wash up after a particularly satsfying though sweaty and soiling session, I noticed nobody was in there except a fully clothed short bald-headed man walking around looking at the shower heads. I waited a minute or two for the guy to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off so I could take my shower, but he just hung around in there. I had no idea who he was, and he actually gave me a slight vibe of being a creep. I don't know the guy just bothered me by being there. I really thought he was some kind of wierdo. So I just hit the shower discharge button a few times and thstarted my shower. Of course some of the spray hitting the floor diverted back to him and he got a bit wet...which was partly my intention to get him out of there. I pretended not to even notice, but as he did depart the room he gave me a rather unfriendly stare.

Ortos
I also thought he was some freak @ first. I remember he kept walking around the locker room everytime I showered. It seemed like he was checking out every man's package until I saw him walking around the club later then I realised he was management.

Interesting debate on Palace & Bernd's. I visited all 3 clubs W, O, P & had great sessions with no bad sessions @ all 3. Tried a few new girls & the best ones I sessioned with were @ World. Go figure. All the recent Palace bashing did not seem to hurt palace @ the door. Plenty of tourists & locals present.

[Myrmidon]

i am a newbie, tommy tourist, who has yet to visit heaven (the fkk club's) until april. forgive me for intruding, but i just wanted to comment.

i have been reading this & other forums for some time now in preparation for my visit. i am now aware of sharks, and that they may occur at just about any fkk but are more prevalent at the larger 'tourist' orientated clubs. i have been learning shark repelling techniques from you. i was surprised that a lot of this information was on the palace thread, rather than on the general info thread, where i feel, imho, it belongs.

the palace, or oase, or world threads should contain reviews, imho, both positive and negative of the ladies / facilities of the named club. i have gleaned lists of your favourites and those you avoid from this thread. i feel empowered for having read your reports. i feel that i have a chance against the sharks.

you should not worry about me. if i only visit one club, and i have a good time there because i use the methods / lists i have gleaned from your posts, where is the harm? (i know this may make me 'average') if i never experience a particular favourite club (lady) of yours, where is the harm? you do not miss that which you have never had!

what you do need to be concerned about is that i not be shark attacked! then i may [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the pool. if i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the pool, it ruins the waters for all others who enter for awhile. if i allow myself to be sharked, they will be emboldened to try their craft more often on others, ruining the fkk experience for others. but i am determined to not be attacked. i will be diligent in my interviews. i will trust my senses, intuition and gut feelings. i will respect your lists of favourites and avoids. but that requires that you continue to report diligently on your visits, your favourites and your avoids. that is how i will avoid the sharks and not [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the pool.

i realize that in this hobby you must pay your dues and return the favour. my experience on my home shores and my research on these boards are my dues and in return, i promise to report fairly on my newbie (fkk club) experience, and to assist others where / when i can, including should you travel to my shores. thank you for your time, patience and asistance. thank you for allowing me to express my 2 cents worth. (don't know what that is in euros)

take care and keep safe. myr.

[Chico Charlie 1]

Hi fellow mongers,

The last 2-3 pages of this particular forum are only about comparisions and facilities about the different clubs. This is in stark contrast to the forum of OASE.

Please fellow mongers, isnt it better to write about the best and the worst girls and service available at FKK Palace (like OASE) instead of bickering and hostile writing on the forum. I have known Jackyo to be very helpful and has loads of experience in FKK's. It would be better to leave all such discussions at rest and come up with suggestions about the femme fatale at Palace.

My two cents with requests for suggestions about Palace and its girls.

Charlie

[Dedalus]

Sorry for soaking your best mate, Dedalus! LOL

Ortos


Hey Man,

Wish I could have seen that.

You gonna be dropping by the P soon?

Might have a research favor/project to ask of you.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Ortos]

Hey Man,

Wish I could have seen that.

You gonna be dropping by the P soon?

Might have a research favor/project to ask of you.

Cheers,

Dedalus

In the intrests of scientific research, I would be willing to participate in your project. Just let me know what I can do...yes, I will submit myself to endless bbbj sessions just to collect the data! Any sacrifice I can make, well anything for you, friend...

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[Dedalus]

In the intrests of scientific research, I would be willing to participate in your project. Just let me know what I can do...yes, I will submit myself to endless bbbj sessions just to collect the data! Any sacrifice I can make, well anything for you, friend...

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You done been PM'd, brother.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Ekliges Lauern]

(To my detractors who want detailed reports of my travels: Do you really need me or anyone else to provide another glowing review of Maria, Monika, Indira or Charly? I think those subjects have been adequately covered on this board and others.)

Surely you session with a new girl from time to time. Not to belabor the point, but reviews and data help us all.


In fact, it would be an interesting (if unrealistic) experiment to take every potential Palace newbie to Bernd’s first. Then to say, GT where it seems to me the sharks stick out a bit more than other places. Then take them to Oase. Then have them finish off at Palace.

Just imagine the possible effect on Palace if every Tommy Tourist went there with high service expectations and honed FKK “chops”. Might do the place some good as far as the overall service standards.

I actually agree this would be an interesting experiment and am not sure it is unrealistic. I think we tend to steer the newbees to the big clubs because most of us experienced the "oh my fucking God" moment when walking into Atlantis, Oases, Golden Time, etc. years ago.

We should solicit a willing newbee or two for the experiment.


Chops, man. Paid dues and earned the chops.

I can't overstate the value of earning your chops. It helps in areas beyond just FKKs and Saunas.


No club is perfect. That is clear. And, to each his own. That should also be clear.

In that we agree. In the end it is largely a matter of personal taste.

[Dedalus]

Surely you session with a new girl from time to time. Not to belabor the point, but reviews and data help us all.


At Palace? Nope, not really. Last "new-one" would have been a blond German with delicious bolt-ons from last Fall named Nina. Which BTW I reported on:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=790083&postcount=3242

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=790105&postcount=3246

I was probably on your blocked-list back then.

I AM rather curious about a relatively new girl at Palace. The hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons named Rosi. Never been with her myself, but she certainly puts the wind in my sails. I'd throw myself on the tracks for the good of the team with that one, but I won't have the chance to make Palace a destination for some weeks.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Vito Corleone]

I AM rather curious about a relatively new girl at Palace. The hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons named Rosi. Never been with her myself, but she certainly puts the wind in my sails. I'd throw myself on the tracks for the good of the team with that one, but I won't have the chance to make Palace a destination for some weeks.

Cheers,

Dedalus
Wassup Deda,

I was there twice recently & I did not notice Rosi. Didn't ask around either, but I would have noticed a hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons. Accually, I take that back. There was this one blonde chick walking around with a nice rack, but a little too thick for my taste. Is she the one? She looks like your type. If that is her, she was there both visits.

[M P Lurker]

Wassup Deda,

I was there twice recently & I did not notice Rosi. Didn't ask around either, but I would have noticed a hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons. Accually, I take that back. There was this one blonde chick walking around with a nice rack, but a little too thick for my taste. Is she the one? She looks like your type. If that is her, she was there both visits.
As bolt ons usually don't impress me I would scarely bother to get introduced and I can't pick Bulgarians by looks. There is certainly no shortage of bolt-ons, some good, some acceptable, some ugly shaped, and some plain ridiculous.

There are also girls with incredibly good real ones too.

[PianoPlayer]

I had read the forum but forgot to write down a list of names, so I used my instincts and some general concepts, like staying away from the most aggressive girls and trying to chat them up a bit to check on the chemistry. My experience was excellent with three out of four, so not bad. The overall quality was not tremendous, many 5-7 girls in terms of looks, but certainly enough 8-9s to make a selection. I avoided several pushy Eastern Europeans, I think identifying themselves as Romanian but I’m not sure. In general girls were not willing to hang out and talk a bit, wanted to get straight down to business (Tina being a notable and delightful exception.)

First girl was Anna from Moldova. I went for $100 for regular service plus CIM. She offered a really sweet GFE, kissing was restrained but BBBJ and sex were excellent. She came by to see me a couple of times afterwards for encore back rubs. I picked her mostly for looks, which I found stunning, but I like the Russian ballerina face.

Tina from Germany – the best of the lot, went to Kino first, lots of DFkissing with very active tongue, and fondling, then did $100 for extra time. Gave her DATY to orgasm, she had an outstanding O-face, loved it, and then did multiple positions, finished with BBBJ to near completion, finished job myself, paid only for going over 30 minutes. Tina is friendly and non-pushy, I talked to her several times before deciding to go back with her, and she was very nice about it.

Sasha from Ukraine – disaster. I made the classic error of walking right up to her solely based on looks and inviting her to a room. I told her I only wanted 50 euros, no extras, so she did a few minutes of BBBJ, just enough until she could get the condom on, then straight mish position and after five minutes she demanded that I come. Told me to concentrate. Then declared there was no way she would stay for the 30 minutes. Also no kissing, no DATY, no fingering. A total waste. I got up after 20 minutes and left.

Marta from Venezuela – an excellent finish to the evening. Liked that I spoke Spanish, was willing to chat for a few minutes, and really dug the back rub. I told her same as Sasha, only 50 euros, she was fine with it. Told me she wouldn’t count the back rub as part of the 30 minutes. She gave excellent BBBJ, unhurried, then put on condom and climbed on top for vigorous cowgirl, good for my weary state. Shifted to doggy then mish, and finally finished myself, three times in one day being a bit beyond my normal capacity. Some Italian guy asked me how she was and I gave her an unqualified recommendation. She says she lives in Spain and only comes to Palace for a week at a time, so you may not run across her, at least if the story is correct.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Chicafan]

There is certainly no shortage of bolt-ons, some good, some acceptable, some ugly shaped, and some plain ridiculous.

There are also girls with incredibly good real ones too.Off topic but when I see some of these girls(world wide) that have unattractive fakes I often wonder if it came out like they thought or if they are unhappy with the results but have to just deal with it... Sometimes I wonder how bad off they had to be before the procedure to feel like some of the work could be an improvement.

[Akibono]

I AM rather curious about a relatively new girl at Palace. The hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons named Rosi. Never been with her myself, but she certainly puts the wind in my sails. I'd throw myself on the tracks for the good of the team with that one, but I won't have the chance to make Palace a destination for some weeks.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Remember Daniel-san, bolt-on, bolt-off no matter. All good in the end.

[West By Sun]

The hot Bulgarian with bolt-ons named Rosi.



I know 2 Bulgarian Rosi: the one is brunette (medium height, with a fake metalic mole on lovely face, a litte bit over weight, she is normally an Artemis regular, sometimes works in Hessen), another one is dirty blonde(medium height, thin, relatively new as Palace regular ). They are very friendly outside and both nice in room too.

What is " bolt-on "? Would you be so kind to explain the word for foolish non english speaker?

WBS

[PianoPlayer]

I know this is covered earlier in the forum, but this was incredibly easy. At FRA airport I followed signs to Bahnhofs at Terminal 1, where helpful info lady showed me how to purchase ticket for 3. 70 euros to Hauptbahnhof. There are three stops to HBf on the train and it takes all of 15 minutes. From HBf taxi was about 12 euros. The driver went inside to collect a 10 euro reward, but that did not affect my fare or entry fee, so OK. The return taxi to HBf was closer to 16 euros, because it was after midnight and the meter goes faster then. The train is not only low cost but also must be faster than a taxi especially at high traffic hours.

[Akibono]

I know 2 Bulgarian Rosi: the one is brunette (medium height, with a fake metalic mole on lovely face, a litte bit over weight, she is normally an Artemis regular, sometimes works in Hessen), another one is dirty blonde(medium height, thin, relatively new as Palace regular ). They are very friendly outside and both nice in room too.

What is " bolt-on "? Would you be so kind to explain the word for foolish non english speaker?

WBS


Bolt-on = silicon breasts

[July Gan]

I know 2 Bulgarian Rosi: the one is brunette (medium height, with a fake metalic mole on lovely face, a litte bit over weight, she is normally an Artemis regular, sometimes works in Hessen), another one is dirty blonde(medium height, thin, relatively new as Palace regular ). They are very friendly outside and both nice in room too.

What is " bolt-on "? Would you be so kind to explain the word for foolish non english speaker?

WBS

Surgically enhanced breasts a.k.a silicon titties

[Ekliges Lauern]

I am a Newbie, Tommy Tourist, who has yet to visit heaven (the FKK club's) until April. Forgive me for intruding, but I just wanted to comment.

Actually, would you be willing to be a bit of a test subject? Normally we recommend newbees head to one of the Hessen big three first. This is usually without getting a sense of their likes and dislikes.

One of our estimeed members suggests sending a newbee or two to Bernds, Golden Time and then Oase in that order. I think the thinking is to start them out with a smaller and more service oriented club before throwing them into the larger clubs.

Are you willing to be a test subject and report your findings back to forum? I don't think you'll be any worse off for participating in our experiment.

[Ortos]

Actually, would you be willing to be a bit of a test subject? Normally we recommend newbees head to one of the Hessen big three first. This is usually without getting a sense of their likes and dislikes.

One of our estimeed members suggests sending a newbee or two to Bernds, Golden Time and then Oase in that order. I think the thinking is to start them out with a smaller and more service oriented club before throwing them into the larger clubs.

Are you willing to be a test subject and report your findings back to forum? I don't think you'll be any worse off for participating in our experiment.

This is an interesting proposal, however:

Most new FKK visitors travel to clubs that are easy to reach via public transport and/or taxi. Seldom would a first time visitor have the knowledge, confidence or enthusiasm to go to off the beaten track clubs that are best visited with a self-drive car.

The first two clubs you mention, Bernd's and GT are two clubs that are distinctly inconvenient to get to via public transport. Oase is not not the easiest, but just within the comfort/nuisance tolerance range for most people.

I've been working with Myrmidon via PMs to definitely give Oase a go in addition to the easily reachable Palace. I bet getting to Bernd's or GT would be too much to ask...

On the other hand, if you were to fit the bill for a car hire with Nav....

Ortos

[Myrmidon]

This is an interesting proposal, however:

Most new FKK visitors travel to clubs that are easy to reach via public transport and/or taxi. Seldom would a first time visitor have the knowledge, confidence or enthusiasm to go to off the beaten track clubs that are best visited with a self-drive car.

The first two clubs you mention, Bernd's and GT are two clubs that are distinctly inconvenient to get to via public transport. Oase is not not the easiest, but just within the comfort/nuisance tolerance range for most people.

I've been working with Myrmidon via PMs to definitely give Oase a go in addition to the easily reachable Palace. I bet getting to Bernd's or GT would be too much to ask...

On the other hand, if you were to fit the bill for a car hire with Nav....

OrtosI'm willing to do what I have to to have a good time, but there are limitations. As Ortos notes, we have been PMing and he has me convinced to start at Oase. As I am staying in Frankfurt, Palace would be my 2nd visit. Through the boards I have determined that a return trip by cab from these 2 after the last train would be at 40 euros and 16 euros respectively.

I briefly looked into rental car, but the cost + gas + parking at hotel seemed a little high. Particularly when as I said, I may find ladies at these 2 clubs who I fancy, so why should I look elsewhere? You kind folk have trained me with your tips, etc. And armed me with lists of ladies to see / avoid. Plus, I am entirely self-financed, so would rather save the euros for the ladies, .

And there is a time factor, I'm in town only one week and one day has a tour planned. Other than that, I am not closed minded and would do it if I could.

My privileges on this board do not include PM, so if you wish, contact Ortos as he knows where to find me. Also note: there is about a 12 hour delay in my postings (? ).

Thanks again to all who have helped prepare me for my upcoming baptisim.

Take care and Keep safe. Myr.

[Italia77]

I only remember seeing 1-2 black women & this includes Marina from Cuba. World had about 5-6 black women working.This Marina seems to be a "must see and fu**".

At World in november I've seen jut one black chick, not so beautiful, but you mean 5-6 at the same time?

[M P Lurker]

The first two clubs you mention, Bernd's and GT are two clubs that are distinctly inconvenient to get to via public transport. Oase is not not the easiest, but just within the comfort/nuisance tolerance range for most people.

This definitely applies to me even as a non-newbie as I am in Frankfurt to work. So convenience is important. Oase is fine except that its not convenient place to visit multiple times in the same day. I would make a special effort to get to World maybe but that is about the limit.

At Palace I can go there for late breakfast on Sat and a session, head off to do other things, and easily return later in the day or in the evening.

The FKK visits cannot dominate my time completely even on weekends.

[Vito Corleone]

I know this is covered earlier in the forum, but this was incredibly easy. At FRA airport I followed signs to Bahnhofs at Terminal 1, where helpful info lady showed me how to purchase ticket for 3. 70 euros to Hauptbahnhof. There are three stops to HBf on the train and it takes all of 15 minutes. From HBf taxi was about 12 euros. The driver went inside to collect a 10 euro reward, but that did not affect my fare or entry fee, so OK. The return taxi to HBf was closer to 16 euros, because it was after midnight and the meter goes faster then. The train is not only low cost but also must be faster than a taxi especially at high traffic hours.
You could have also taken the U-Bahn to Palace from the main station. 12 minute ride with 1 change @ Bockenheimer Warte. The first train back from Palace is around 4:19am.

[Vito Corleone]

This Marina seems to be a "must see and fu**".

At World in november I've seen jut one black chick, not so beautiful, but you mean 5-6 at the same time?
Marina does not work often @ Palace. Maybe 1-2 weeks a month. Milk chocolate skin, slim body with a really pretty face. Uses a vibrator to get herself off while blowing you. Works the morning shift. Best to call & ask if she is working or ask HB.

Lineups change frequently so the # of black chicks working @ World will always change. There were 5 for sure & the ones I saw were very dark skinned with very thick bods. Not my type as I prefer lighter skin & slim bod that Marina has.

[Vompat]

This Marina seems to be a "must see and fu**".Can confirm this! Did her last month and now it is her that I dream off when it is grey and cold.

[Ekliges Lauern]

This is an interesting proposal, however:

Most new FKK visitors travel to clubs that are easy to reach via public transport and/or taxi. Seldom would a first time visitor have the knowledge, confidence or enthusiasm to go to off the beaten track clubs that are best visited with a self-drive car.

The first two clubs you mention, Bernd's and GT are two clubs that are distinctly inconvenient to get to via public transport. Oase is not not the easiest, but just within the comfort/nuisance tolerance range for most people.

I've been working with Myrmidon via PMs to definitely give Oase a go in addition to the easily reachable Palace. I bet getting to Bernd's or GT would be too much to ask...

On the other hand, if you were to fit the bill for a car hire with Nav....

Ortos

Quite true. I had completely forgot how intimidating for newbees (especially Americans) and expensive driving in Germany can be. I probably need to add a question to my list that I put together on comfort level driving.

Of course, with NAV it is much easier to find clubs than it was in the pre-NAV days. I remember wandering around the NRW countryside looking for PHG and finally giving up and going to PSW instead. Also, one time going to Bernds, the NAV sent my on this one lane dirt road up a hill that I swear was more suitable for horse and donkey carts.

It sounds like you are giving him good advice so he is in sound hands,

[Myrmidon]

Quite true. I had completely forgot how intimidating for newbees (especially Americans) and expensive driving in Germany can be. I probably need to add a question to my list that I put together on comfort level driving.

It sounds like you are giving him good advice so he is in sound hands,I do feel that Ortos has given me sound advice, as have the other posters. I am still building my list of Must See's and Must Avoids, (for Both Oase & Palace) so plse do not be shy and post your favourites and those who scare you the most. Remember, I am from across the pond and this is a once in a life time trip, so I will not be competition for your fav lady.

When the time gets closer (April) I will likely post my itinerary in the event some of you are available to meet and discuss this in person. In the meantime, Happy Hunting. Take Care and Keep Safe. Myr.

[Vito Corleone]

Can confirm this! Did her last month and now it is her that I dream off when it is grey and cold.
Every time I eat salad, I think of her tossing mine. The only woman I know that can rim non-stop for 30 minutes. I had to stop her as I thought I was going to have a stroke!

[Ekliges Lauern]

Every time I eat salad, I think of her tossing mine. The only woman I know that can rim non-stop for 30 minutes. I had to stop her as I thought I was going to have a stroke!

I won't mention the lady's name, but I was hanging out talking with a lady that was doing the FKK thing only on weekends to supplement her regular income. I asked about her day job and she said it was making salads at a cafeteria. I wonder if they were tossed salads.

[Akibono]

Quite true. I had completely forgot how intimidating for newbees (especially Americans) and expensive driving in Germany can be. I probably need to add a question to my list that I put together on comfort level driving.

Of course, with NAV it is much easier to find clubs than it was in the pre-NAV days. I remember wandering around the NRW countryside looking for PHG and finally giving up and going to PSW instead. Also, one time going to Bernds, the NAV sent my on this one lane dirt road up a hill that I swear was more suitable for horse and donkey carts.

It sounds like you are giving him good advice so he is in sound hands,


Have we gone soft? I remember visting clubs over 10 years ago, driving in the middle of nowhere, speaking no German, and yet, still finding the clubs and having a great time in pursuit of sex. I thinks the newbies who really want the experience can manage easily today.

[Myrmidon]

Have we gone soft? I remember visting clubs over 10 years ago, driving in the middle of nowhere, speaking no German, and yet, still finding the clubs and having a great time in pursuit of sex. I thinks the newbies who really want the experience can manage easily today.Your missing the point. As you and others have said, with GPS and NAV systems, (not to mention the Internet and boards like this to identify remote locations) finding a place is not difficult. However, why should I (as a visitor from outside Europe, who does not have a vehicle readily and cheaply available for his use) spend several hundreds of euros on car rental, gas (or do you call it petrol? ), parking fees at hotels and lots around town. Then there's additional time spent picking up / dropping off a rental, time spent at gas / petrol stations to fill up. All so I can visit a FKK that you say is better than the one that I can easily reach with public transit, (Trains / Cabs). Remember, the term better is subjective. I could walk into a FKK that is convenient and possibly find ladies that appeal to me, (maybe I like aggressive ladies? ) so I am happy and have more euros to shower on them because I spent a fraction of the cost of getting to that remote one. Meanwhile, there are lovely ladies who are non-aggressive, etc at FKK's that are too remote for the first time out-of-country visitor who will be missed. So sad. Perhaps the in-country newbie could be encouraged to drive further for the cause. But those of us with limited time / resources are reluctant to go tromping all over the country side looking for something someone else likes. I'll know what I like when I find it, and if I find it after public transit, I'll probably have more funds / time left to enjoy it.

Happy Hunting. Take Care and Keep Safe. Myr

[M P Lurker]

I know this is covered earlier in the forum, but this was incredibly easy. At FRA airport I followed signs to Bahnhofs at Terminal 1, where helpful info lady showed me how to purchase ticket for 3. 70 euros to Hauptbahnhof. There are three stops to HBf on the train and it takes all of 15 minutes. From HBf taxi was about 12 euros. The driver went inside to collect a 10 euro reward, but that did not affect my fare or entry fee, so OK. The return taxi to HBf was closer to 16 euros, because it was after midnight and the meter goes faster then. The train is not only low cost but also must be faster than a taxi especially at high traffic hours.
One of the girls' Deutsch is not good (like me) and she doesn't know how to use the trains to get to Wiesbaden from Palace so have offered to show her to save some taxi rides. Are the after 4 AM S Bahn safe for a little girl to travel?

[Chico Charlie 1]

Hi fellow mongers,

I may be going to the Palace on Monday.

Can anyone be a guide and give the name of good service providers so I can avoid the sharks. I have done RTFF but it does not have any concrete leads.

Thanks and regards

Charlie

[Rain City]

I visited Palace recently.

I noticed a few of the old timers returned, and a few new girls. My old favorite Daniela (Romania) returned to Palace from Artemis. She said she is going to be around at Palace for a while. I had a wonderful time catching up with her. A few have mentioned that she could be a processor. That's absolutely true in the busy nights. But when things are relatively slow, she is a good GFE.

I met Ruby (Hungary) and chatted with her for a while. Good chemistry, although physically she is not totally my type. Nonethless, decided to have a session with her and she was a nice GFE as well.

Then Natasha (Romania) approached me. She was easy on the eyes and talked very sweet. My 6th sense picked up something funny though and I should have trusted. After entering the room, she told me the long list of her extra charges: 1) kissing is extra; 2) DATY is extra; 3) covered digit is extra; and 4) standard palace extras are, of course, extra. Basically 30 min bbbj and sex are only things offered. Then she took out this alcohol wipe to clean my penus, giving the burning sensation. At this point, I wasn't really in the mood. To her credit, however, she worked hard and made effort to make me cum. Her personality was sweet and she tried hard. So I would say YMMV. You may have a good time, as she was nice to look at during the session.

I was talking with other hobbists, and they recommended Anna (tall dark haired German), Miriam (red haired German), and one Spanish girl with big natural breasts (whose name escaped me).

There are a couple of really good looking Romanian girls (again their names escaped me) also, but my fellow hobbists put their thumbs down.

Happy hobbying.

[AColonizer]

Hi forumers!

I wonder if there are some or lots of Russian/Ukrainian girls working as individuals or in salons in Frankfurt?

Or, is it possible to meet Russian/Ukrainian girls for serious friendships too?

Please, don't talk about Romanians and Chineses and Nigerians.

[M P Lurker]

I noticed a few of the old timers returned, and a few new girls. My old favorite Daniela (Romania) returned to Palace from Artemis. She said she is going to be around at Palace for a while. I had a wonderful time catching up with her. A few have mentioned that she could be a processor. That's absolutely true in the busy nights. But when things are relatively slow, she is a good GFE.

I met Ruby (Hungary) and chatted with her for a while. Good chemistry, although physically she is not totally my type. Nonethless, decided to have a session with her and she was a nice GFE as well.Both These girls in today as well, and I also like them both. Daniella is stunning for those like me who go for slim girls and don't need big tits. Her more voluptuous friend with bolt-ons doesn't interest me.

First I should say that I am not a newbie to Palace first met Daniella about 3 years ago or so. Nicholetta also.

I joined the forum after an American sitting on the Palace sofa nearby mentioned the ISG.

Saturday is a great day to turn up in the day time and cross over into the night shift. Why? Because day time girls are of a high standard (less sharks), and its quieter in terms of guys. But stay for the night shift when great girls like Daniella are turning up.

So in the day, Nicholetta from Italy first, well after a quick coffee. Slim with super arse and not much tits. Great kisser and tastes good even though a smoker. No holds barred. Even let me put in a finger and gentle jiggle the Ge Punkt (G Spot) while licking her out. A must for doggy of course! Everything good and a definite for repeats.

I ignored the petite blonde with big natural swinging D cups, as she seemed to always head for the Asian guys, especially newbies. I surmised that she either liked little dicks or thought she could boss or manipulate more shy Asian types. Either way probably wouldn't suit me. Potential shark alarm! Usually came back from room well before 30 mins (it seemed).

The Thai girls were out in force. Enough to hold a demonstration against the new Thai Govt. LOL

5 Thai girls: Bee, Nina, Bpoom, Didee, and the one who won't talk to me Could be named Kim or Joy, not sure and the other Thai girls aren't sure either.

Nina, Bpoom, and Didee are all good girls and could be clones, quite petite but nice bottoms.

Can you tell? I am a bit of a bottom man. But Bee is really hot, again with great arse, so she gets the nod. She has a few stretch marks but otherwise great body. Large tatoo on back but artistic. Silicone but very subtle so tits are still soft.

I was lucky to get Bee for her last session of the day. I hope her BF is not going to read this (grin). The reason was that although she had been very busy (on a quiet day), she was horny enough to let herself go for the last session.

Firstly a little display of her body including that soft beautiful mound. Very good kisser with plenty of tongue given freely. The extended pussy licking. She likes it soft and slow. Eventually orgasmed. Then returned the compliment with a wonderful blow job. She has learned that gently brushing the nipples and tits softly on my balls at same time as blowing the knob sends me to heaven. Of course girls have to have reasonable size tits to be able to achieve this.

First part of the sex was a reverse cow-girl where I could what it going in and out and admire her beautiful bum all the while. She rocked slightly too far at the end and my dick sprung out such a spring as to flick pussy juice onto my face. But she didn't noitice. She then summoned me to the large tall armchair. Facing the back she knelt perched on the arms and now perfectly matched the height of my dick with me standing. So put in for a standing doggy (who knows what this position is called), but felt like we were making a porn movie. I took slow strokes going all the way in till hit the end of her channel but didn't hurt she said as I wasn't sadistic. I played with her soft tits all the while as hands were free. Eventually we got back to the bed for some "normal" screwing. Lots of kissing but not really normal as her pussy knows how to do those squeezing pulses. She had come again but I was getting hot and bothered, so stopped briefly to turn on the aircon, a bit late really. So more screwing and we both made it this time. I was puffing a bit (not so fit). All up 1 hour 15 mins of mind blowing sex. I have to agree she is one of "the Best of the Palace".

Its then time for Bee to go home, and time for me to have dinner.

So I missed doing several other hot Thai girls, Gabriella from Moldova looked appealing, but now Daniella of Romania has arrived and Kim from Brazil is looking fetching. Not sure why, but she has a lime green see though boob wrap on (not completely hiding her natural C cups) and a matching very small wrap around the waist but pussy completely exposed and bottom pretty much exposed too. Then there is Ruby.

Choices, choices. How many Euros remain? Or will I have to go to ATM again?

[Mass Monger]

You can’t really call yourself a sophisticated monger if you have not visited German FKK. I made my first visit to one, the Palace, in Frankfurt http://www.fkk-palace.de. It was nothing like I have ever seen before. It was an amazing experience, possibly the best evening of my mongering life. I would urge anyone to visit one.

There were many, many (20-30) good looking girls, all parading around in g-strings, bikinis, often without tops, sometimes without bottoms. They ranged from drop-dead gorgeous, to pretty and sexy, to fair and sexy. A very few of them were overweight, but that is not always bad. They appear to be open all day and until 4 AM in the morning.

It is not cheap. It cost 75 Euros to enter and 50E for each time you choose a girl. If you have a strong drive or can be satisfied by doing a complete sex act while withholding a "come" at the end, then you will probably be able to do about 4 different girls for a total cost of about 275E plus 2 taxis from downtown, or 300E or $400 for the evening.

Good descriptions of the Palace can be found in many posts on the forum. Iseeu at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=837799#post837799

Or Southsky at http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/showthread.php? P=810589#post810589 I do not need to repeat their information. One thing the other posts left out about the Palace is that you can get there from downtown (Hauptbanhof) for cost of about 13E each way. You do not have to take the S-Bahn and the you-Bahn. If you stay late, you have to take a taxi anyway.

As with any visit to a bar/brothel/street with many girls, you have to be careful about your choices. As is always the case, the prettiest girls in the place are not often the best. I seek out attractive and FRIENDLY girls. I was very happy with 3 of the 4 girls I went with at the palace. I got BBBJ, kissing, DATY (requested in advance) and generally a very friendly interaction all for 50E each session. The other girl was probably my fault. She was drop-dead gorgeous with nice sized/shaped boobs (with small enhancements). Also, I did not determine whether she was truly friendly and did not pre-specify DATY. The session was ok, but quite businesslike.

As others have said, you have to pace yourself. Talk to some of the girls in between sessions, but hold back on commitment. They will generally be around later when you are refreshed and ready to go again. Language choices are Spanish, German and English in that order (fortunately I speak all three), but you can get along enough in English if you need to. Have an occasional snack in between sessions and sit back and enjoy the parade. The drinks are all non-alcoholic and are free. You have to ask for the drinks at the bar at the far end of the rooms.

I always specified in advance that I wanted kissing and DATY along with sex. I never specifically asked for BBBJ but always got it. I never asked for more extras such as anal or CIM (usually an extra 50E each? ). The total fee was always 50E, no more, which was paid after the session during a visit with the girl to your cash stash. They will sometimes try to get you to do 2 girls at once or add anal. I did not. I was rushed only one time.

If you are lying around in the movie theater (watching the porno movie and sometimes other guys getting kissed and sucked, etc.) you will probably be approached by a a number of girls. They are likely to rub your cock under your robe and at this point you can lose your head and will be unable to resist, relax and enjoy it, lead them on a little, but be careful to stop them after a very short time. Warning if she does more than rub your cock and kiss you by starting to suck your cock (in public) you are IMMEDIATELY committed to a 50E session in a room. Don’t let her do this very long if you are not willing to go-with her and pay her full 50E fee. (See Shark16 at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1867&page=6&pp=15 for a good description of "commitment".

Have fun. FKKs are an unforgettable experience.

Mass Monger

[M P Lurker]

.....I was very happy with 3 of the 4 girls I went with at the palace. I got BBBJ, kissing, DATY (requested in advance) and generally a very friendly interaction all for 50E each session. ...

Nice report for other guys contemplating coming to the Palace, but could give a little more detail about the girls and the service so as to interest other readers who already know the Palace. Like who were these girls that were good, what do they look like, where do they come from, and why were they good? Who was the business like one?

This forum is really into names and Countries, in case several girls with same name, e.g. 3 Kims. So there is German Kim, Brazil Kim, Thai Kim etc.

Don't be shy.;) At the Palace we are fairly much into exposure. :D You weren't shy to tell the girl what you wanted. LOL

[Vito Corleone]

One of the girls' Deutsch is not good (like me) and she doesn't know how to use the trains to get to Wiesbaden from Palace so have offered to show her to save some taxi rides. Are the after 4 AM S Bahn safe for a little girl to travel?
Yes. The U bahn is pretty quite with mostly women traveling & the S bahn is packed with people @ 4:30-5am

[Mass Monger]

As requested:

The girl who was very beautiful and sexy, but business-like was named Julie and was from Romania. Obviously, I do not recommend her. One of the two best girls was Carmen, also from Rumania. She is short and has a very round face, not really beautiful but pleasant looking, but she was very sexy and gave a great all-around performance BBBJ, kissing, DATY and multiple position sex. She wanted me to try anal, but I declined. The second good one, Roxanna from Lithuania, approached me in the Kino with deep french kisses, and started a BBBJ there in public. She has very large, firm, boobs, but claims they are not implants. I think she was telling the truth. She was fantastic as we went to the room for more BBBJ, DFK, DATY, sex in multiple positions, additional BBBJ. Etc. Neither one of the last two were rushing. We had lots of time.

Have fun,

Mass Monger

[M P Lurker]

As requested:

The girl who was very beautiful and sexy, but business-like was named Julie and was from Romania.
Mass Monger
Is Julie petite (small bottom) with long blond hair and huge natural D cups?
Or have I got the wrong one?
I have avoided her so far but wondered a little.

[Mass Monger]

Is Julie petite (small bottom) with long blond hair and huge natural D cups?

Or have I got the wrong one?

I have avoided her so far but wondered a little.Possibly that is her, but as I remember Julie, she had large C cups, but they were not completely natural when examined manually. Drop-dead georgeous though.

Good luck,

Mass Monger

[Gman7424]

Finer Gentlemen of this forum. What can one expect to find on a Monday at the Palace? Is it a bad day / night to visit?

[M P Lurker]

Possibly that is her, but as I remember Julie, she had large C cups, but they were not completely natural when examined manually. Drop-dead georgeous though.

Good luck,

Mass Monger
I think I got the wrong one. I should do like BasketCase and make a point to get introduced to all the girls, whether I fancy them or not.

Mind you some girls automatically avoid me as they have seen me going regularly with very popular top providers, seen me knock back plenty of others, and realise that they may have little chance.

[Myrmidon]

Mind you some girls automatically avoid me as they have seen me going regularly with very popular top providers, seen me knock back plenty of others, and realise that they may have little chance.Ahh...The price of being a known stud!

[Chicafan]

Ahh...The price of being a known stud!
Dude goes to a house of ill repute and gets to take his pick of the ladies. That's way out!

[M P Lurker]

Ahh...The price of being a known stud!
That cracked me up. LOL
There is a certain amount of man "performance" gossip amongst certain groups of girls. if it happens that you understand their language.
Some girls may avoid me, for fear of too many orgasms and then won't be able to work properly. ;)

Just kidding. Some girls hold off and don't allow themselves to orgasm, if will make them too lazy to work. Others just let themselves go at times.

[Vito Corleone]

Finer Gentlemen of this forum. What can one expect to find on a Monday at the Palace? Is it a bad day / night to visit?
All clubs are going to have thin lineups on Mondays. I was there on a Monday last month, but I knew some of my regulars were working so I had a good time. A small lineup up, but plenty of good choices. Oase's Monday lineup is pretty good too.

[James Bond 007]

Myr, you make a good point here. For those you don't want the hassle of renting a car and the expense, Palace seems like a great club to visit since it is easily accessible by public transportation.

For those who want to venture out into the countryside, renting a car would be a better option to visit places like Oases and the others mentioned in NRW.

I'm planning to rent a car myself for my upcoming visit in May to try out Oase, World and possibly GT and LR in NRW.


Your missing the point. As you and others have said, with GPS and NAV systems, (not to mention the Internet and boards like this to identify remote locations) finding a place is not difficult. However, why should I (as a visitor from outside Europe, who does not have a vehicle readily and cheaply available for his use) spend several hundreds of euros on car rental, gas (or do you call it petrol? ), parking fees at hotels and lots around town. Then there's additional time spent picking up / dropping off a rental, time spent at gas / petrol stations to fill up. All so I can visit a FKK that you say is better than the one that I can easily reach with public transit, (Trains / Cabs). Remember, the term better is subjective. I could walk into a FKK that is convenient and possibly find ladies that appeal to me, (maybe I like aggressive ladies? ) so I am happy and have more euros to shower on them because I spent a fraction of the cost of getting to that remote one. Meanwhile, there are lovely ladies who are non-aggressive, etc at FKK's that are too remote for the first time out-of-country visitor who will be missed. So sad. Perhaps the in-country newbie could be encouraged to drive further for the cause. But those of us with limited time / resources are reluctant to go tromping all over the country side looking for something someone else likes. I'll know what I like when I find it, and if I find it after public transit, I'll probably have more funds / time left to enjoy it.

Happy Hunting. Take Care and Keep Safe. Myr

[James Bond 007]

Soap Fan, if I may ask you a basic question. Does Palace allow you to exit and return the club later in the day without paying another entrance fee? Is this the case at some of the other FKK's as well?


This definitely applies to me even as a non-newbie as I am in Frankfurt to work. So convenience is important. Oase is fine except that its not convenient place to visit multiple times in the same day. I would make a special effort to get to World maybe but that is about the limit.

At Palace I can go there for late breakfast on Sat and a session, head off to do other things, and easily return later in the day or in the evening.

The FKK visits cannot dominate my time completely even on weekends.

[J Long]

Finer Gentlemen of this forum. What can one expect to find on a Monday at the Palace? Is it a bad day / night to visit?

Frankly there is never a bad day or night at any fkk esepcially if you come from the USA. Just like there is really no such thing as a bad blow job

JL

[Globus]

Soap Fan, if I may ask you a basic question. Does Palace allow you to exit and return the club later in the day without paying another entrance fee? Is this the case at some of the other FKK's as well?

Sorry to interfere ;-) but:

Basically it's possible at most - if not all - clubs. I've done it several times in different clubs, and it works.

Make sure you tell the receptionist.

At some clubs you will be given a note (with a number and the date on it, for example), which you have to show when you return. At some you have to give back your locker key, they put it aside and write down the number. At some - mostly the smaller clubs - they're just asking for your surname/nickname and try to remember your face, and so on.

I think, with most clubs it's also possible to leave your stuff there if you don't want to take it with you.

[Ortos]

Sorry to interfere ;-) but:

Basically it's possible at most - if not all - clubs. I've done it several times in different clubs, and it works.

Make sure you tell the receptionist.



Funny, I've never had a problem leaving an FKK club and coming back during the same "business" day/night/early morning, except in one case: F39.

I visited F39 in December recently and, after staying for a few hours, I wanted to leave and come back later that same day/evening. I dressed and went up to the front desk to get some kind of re-entry pass and the reception lady told me I could only re-enter without paying if I were to comeback within one hour. I thought she was joking, but she was adament that I could not get back in for free if I would be longer than an hour. So I told her with a disappointed expression on my face that there is always a stau on the A40 and I didn't think I would make it back in time. She just shrugged. So I left and went to GT instead, and was well rewarded by that...Mind you, the receptionist at F39 was the older, somewhat "sour" surly-faced blonde, who is distinctly unfriendly (to me at least) in stark contrast to the younger blonde who is sometimes behind the desk, who is quite friendly. Go figure...

But I've never had a problem at Palace or Oase (where they issue you with a re-entry Pass/Voucher) or at World, where they just tell you to "come back if you like, don't worry, we'll remember you!"

Ortos

[M P Lurker]

Soap Fan, if I may ask you a basic question. Does Palace allow you to exit and return the club later in the day without paying another entrance fee? Is this the case at some of the other FKK's as well?
Sure, no problem at Palace and most places.
Some other FKKs even ask you if you might want to return.
You need to have a picture Id card (or passport, etc.), so they can make sure its the same guy re-entering later.

[M P Lurker]

Myr, you make a good point here. For those you don't want the hassle of renting a car and the expense, Palace seems like a great club to visit since it is easily accessible by public transportation.

For those who want to venture out into the countryside, renting a car would be a better option to visit places like Oases and the others mentioned in NRW.

I'm planning to rent a car myself for my upcoming visit in May to try out Oase, World and possibly GT and LR in NRW.
This is an exaggeration. Its not necessary to rent a car.
I don't have problems getting to Oase by train and taxi, but it takes just a bit longer.
Tomorrow I will head to World at Polheim for first time by train and taxi. Didn't even consider renting a car.

[M P Lurker]

decided to try palace on thursday and arrived 5pm.

quite a lot of girls working this day as there is a trade fair or similar at the nearby messe. not many guys just yet.

lots more girls were arriving and in the end the lineup was pretty exceptional although some famous girls missing.

however as the famous miss daniella from romania was in, had to get lined up for a session with her and managed to get her with out the friend michelle. if you like slim girls, she is really hot and stunning. if she sticks out the bottom when leaning on a table chatting, its pretty hard to take eyes away for too long. lol she has little trouble to make most girls look a bit ordinary standing next to her.

doesn't have big tits but they are very nicely shaped a cups. her body is just the same as 3 years ago. plenty of sexercise to keep fit. she has a narrow face which i like and dyed blonde hair, today was tied back.

session started witha little kissing (she is not a kissing champion like kim from brazil but passes). strangely cannot taste that she smokes at all. she was keen for me to move my tongue to her pussy as she knows me from old times, and commented that she was actually quite horny. a reasonable sized clit not at all hard to find lol. extended daty and she eventually convulsed and pulled me away. "you make me very happy. not many man can do that. don't touch for 5 minutes please! too sensible! (i guess she means senstive "

very nice slow bbbj. eventually tried doggy of course, to take in the view of best angle. even the mish position was wonderful. tight pussy (no baby) and seems like her channel has a slight curve. add to that squeezing pussy muscles, and it was just heavenly. a full hour seemed to pass so quickly!

got thoroughly raped by miss bee too as usual.

both these girls were pretty constantly busy even when others are not due to lots of regulars who keep coming back.

had several other girls that i like there too and some even lay by my side and had a chat when it was clear that i was "pause". but couldn't do them all for lack of stamina and not a millionaire either. one more late session and i was feeling rather zonked and still needing to get to work tomorrow somehow.

midnight the place was very busy with guys and still some arriving, but fortunately wait for a room was not excessive, maybe 4 minutes.

editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Bratwurst]

As requested:

The second good one, Roxanna from Lithuania, approached me in the Kino with deep french kisses, and started a BBBJ there in public. She has very large, firm, boobs, but claims they are not implants. I think she was telling the truth. She was fantastic as we went to the room for more BBBJ, DFK, DATY, sex in multiple positions, additional BBBJ. Etc. I am quite sure that she was NOT telling the truth, or otherwise she really is a challenge to laws of gravity. But this girl stands out for buzzing through the Deutschland like a bee : a regular at Oase and Palace, I spotted her last wednesday on my raid in Artemis, Berlin. Roxanna has the pornstar looks, a bit too "fake" for my taste, but she get repeated positive reviews, so sooner or later.

[Bratwurst]

Frankly there is never a bad day or night at any fkk esepcially if you come from the USA. Just like there is really no such thing as a bad blow job

JLWell, this may be true if you are not paying a fuffy (it is a german nickname for the 50 euro bill) for it, my friend. When I pay, I suddenly become very sophisticated and demanding, and I can easily sort BJ's from 1 to 5 stars. (this FKK thing made me spoiled or what?)

[Italia77]

This is an exaggeration. Its not necessary to rent a car.

I don't have problems getting to Oase by train and taxi, but it takes just a bit longer. Tomorrow I will head to World at Polheim for first time by train and taxi. Didn't even consider renting a car.Maybe some of others devote members already told you the transportations keys to reach Frankfurt' big threes. Anyway, I'll try to sum:

- Palace: easy to reach from Hann airport, you take a bus for Frankfurt main railway station (look for Frankfurt HBF) and in 2 hours you'll be there. Arrived in the square behind the railway station, you reach the station and you look for metro U4, look on the map where Bockenheim Warte is, there you change in U6 or U7 and you'll leave metro at Industriehof Neue Borse, look the metro map, it's so easy. Overthere, cross the street, enter in the wall interruption, walk 200 meters and after a small rotatory, HERE IS THE PALACE. Look how many stars on the panel. Damm

By the main airport is even easier, take the you bann till the main railway station and then, read the upstairs description.

- Oase: reachable without a car, but for medium braves pioneers. Eheh At Frankfurt main railway station, you have to look the train for Friedrichsdorf. It's 4 euro and maybe 30' minutes. Overthere you'll ask to a taxi for Ober-Erlenbacher-Strasse, or you'll ask to a guy which bus go versus Burgholzhausen, the Oase' street is in the deep country, don't be afraid.

Taxi is reasonable priced about 8minutes for 10euros maybe, bus very cheap (tickets doable on board) and maybe 15minutes.

- World: I did by car rental with GPS navigator, no problem at all. But, for real hard pioneeristic spirits, it's even reachable by train and bus. If my reminds are well, from Frankfurt main railway station you take train for Giessen, it's 70km maybe one way, and then I read to ask bus for Polheim-Garbenteich, and you'll leave to Olimpia Sportplaz stop. Look for a small hill, your club will be there. Not far from the hill you'll see a gas station, at least in 2008 was there.

Guys, it's my best, sorry.

[Breadman]

Tomorrow I will head to World at Polheim for first time by train and taxi. Didn't even consider renting a car.

20 something euro's each way from giessen to world...40 euro's for the taxi. Car rental is something like 30 euro's per day.

[Basketcase]

I should do like BasketCase and make a point to get introduced to all the girls, whether I fancy them or not.

Guten Tag Herr Soap Fan,

It is hard knacker talking to all the new girls or racking one's brain trying to remember the girls you should have remembered from previous visits for the present for the lists.

As my mad friend says "don't knock it until you have tried it" but I think he was referring to certain bodily functions.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Henio]

20 something euro's each way from giessen to world...40 euro's for the taxi. Car rental is something like 30 euro's per day.Even less for a car. Recently rented from Hertz on a Thursday to Sunday weekend deal. 59 euros including CDW, airport location charges and allowed one way rental (picked up in FRA and dropped off at DUS). Even when one adds the gas, public transport makes no sense financially when hitting the clubs (other than clubs within city limits like Palace) as one oftan has to take taxi for the last stretch of the trip to a club (unless you want to spend up to an hour on a bus getting to World from Giessen).

For a mid-week rental, sixti or Avis basic, 15-30 euros per day. I have rented a sixti for 14 euros (including service charge), drove from airport to oase and back did not even fill it in between since I just drove sensibly and the gas meter really did not move so was not charged for gas.

I can understand if one has plenty of time and likes the trains and buses or just does'nt want to drive, but from a pure economical viewpoint, renting a car is most often the cheapest option if you know how to find the deals, not to mention the comfort of not having to run out of club at a certain time because of a train schedule.

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Greetings fellas,

Feeling that I'd left Palace with a little unfinished business when I made my debut there earlier this year, I decided to do another weekend tour in short order.

Arriving in Frankfurt on a Friday afternoon, I was booked at the same hotel I used last time, and coincidentally got the very same room. I rested in the hotel for a couple of hours, before going for dinner, then heading straight to Palace.

I got to Palace a bit past 8. As I paid my entrance fee of € 75 I had the usual fantastic feeling of anticipation and excitement that I get when visiting these places. My plan was to hang out for a bit, maybe take a sauna, get a good overview of the girls etc. Before committing to anything, so I just got changed into my robe without taking a shower right away. Well, my plan to keep it slow in the beginning didn't last very long.

As soon as I got into the main area, past where the food serving is, I met Roxanna sitting on the semi-circular couch below the dance stage.

Roxanna (Lithuania)

I did two sessions with this girl the last time I was there and have reported on her earlier. She definitely was one of my motivations for my quick return to Palace. She's got long, bleached (I think) blond hair, big enhanced tits, full lips (enhanced) and a great bubble-gum butt (apparently also enhanced as I was told by one of the other girls I spoke to later who had seen me with Roxanna). I believe I've seen her described as Pamela Anderson-ish, which would be a fair description. This brings me to...



As requested:

The second good one, Roxanna from Lithuania, approached me in the Kino with deep french kisses, and started a BBBJ there in public. She has very large, firm, boobs, but claims they are not implants. I think she was telling the truth.

Mass Monger

Sorry mate, there's no way in hell those are real.

Anyhow, Roxanna remembered me and greeted me in quite good Swedish. Since she was one of my motivations for going back to Palace so soon, I decided to go for a session straight away. I told Roxanna I just wanted a quick shower first and asked her to wait. (With hindsight I should have used the showers by the solarium, which seem to be empty all the time. Maybe I then could have gotten Roxanna to soap me up and maybe also give me a BJ in the shower. Has anyone tried shower action like this, or doesn't the club allow it?)

When I came back from my shower, we resituated to the large couch on top of the stairs, where we started to kiss heftily. Roxanna popped her tits out of the bodysuit without bottom she was wearing so I could play with them with my hands, and also go down for the occasional sucking of her nipples. This got me rock hard in no time and Roxanna started to stroke my dick, which was now sticking out from my robe and into free air. My right hand found its way to her pussy and started to rub it. All the time there was a lot of DFK going on. After maybe 5-10 minutes of this public display we decided to head for a room.

There I started with some really nice DATY and asked if I could finger her as well, something she agreed to. Still fingering her, I kissed my way up her body to her face for more DFK. I got on my back and had her give me a BBBJ, then went for some 69. Then followed fucking in three or four different positions, without any other lube than Roxanna's own juices, which were really starting to flow. Eventually Roxanna finished me off while riding me RCG, a position I absolutely love with this girl.

We lay down and chatted and cuddled for a while. She told me that she has now quit Oase for good and will be working at Palace. Then it was time for us to leave. I paid Roxanna, thanked her for a great session and promised to see her again the next day.

I can see why guys who don't like a "plastic" look won't find much to like in Roxanna. As for me, I don't mind that kind of look (as long as its not taken to ridiculous lengths) and I think Roxanna's a really good looking girl. What's more important, she's given me some really great GFEs, with very few working girls I've met kissing as passionately as her. So if her looks are something you're into, she comes highly recommended.


After a shower I went to the bar for some refreshments. After a few minutes, Evelina and Angelina walked by. I did a couple of sessions with Evelina my last time at Palace, and she was my other big motivation for going back there in a hurry. She recognized me and we talked a little bit. She asked whether I wanted two girls. I said that I would, but that would have to wait for tomorrow. Tonight I would settle for just her. As I was far from recuperated after the session with Roxanna already, I told Evelina I would see her later in the evening. I then headed for the relaxation area in the back. After about an hour of resting and listening to music on my MP-player (I would go insane if I couldn't get a break from the crappy techno music they play at these places all the time), I was ready to seek out Evelina.


Evelina (Czech Republic)

I gave a description of Evelina in my last report. She's blond, got big, natural tits and a really beautiful face.

I met up with her and we headed for a room straight away. Although Evelina is very affectionate when your with her, alas, she will only give you light kisses on your mouth and she won't let you eat her pussy. So I had to let do with kissing and licking her body, of course concentrating a lot of my attention on those great tits. I then got on my back for that terrific BBBJ that I remembered Evelina for from the last time.

She really does a great job at this. I prefer soft and gentle BJs and when I told her that, that is exactly what she gave me. Softly going up and down on my cock, then licking the shaft, my dickhead and balls - all with a lot of saliva involved - then going back to the soft sucking. Pure bliss! She uses her hands really well too, running her fingernails softly on the inside of my thighs and over my balls, as well as tickling my bumhole. I had to draw the line, however, when she tried to insert a finger there, which I promptly objected to.

We then fucked in a couple of different positions. Her pussy being good, of course, I all the same felt that I would be better served by Evelina's mouth. I got on my back again, off came the condom, and Evelina continued blowing me. This lasted maybe 10 minutes, until it was really becoming a feat of will holding back an orgasm. I told Evelina that I wanted to finish in her mouth, which she was fine with. CIM is what I did, and Evelina kept sucking and sucking as I really got to drain my balls. Finally, she raised her head with a big smile, got some paper to spit my load into and commented on the large amount of cum. We cuddled and talked for a little while on the bed before we left the room.


It was getting late on what seemed to be a surprisingly slow Friday night, and I figured I should go for one more session before calling it quits. I was sitting on the big coach near the bar. On the floor below I spotted a rather tall, dark-haired girl with a slender body and nice tits. Being an avid reader of this forum, I gathered from earlier descriptions that this might be Kimmi, who seems to have gotten some good reviews. I kept an eye on her until she looked my way, and when she did, I made a small wave with my hand. This was enough to attract her attention and she came over to me.


Kimmi (Brazil)

Sure enough, upon introductions this turned out to be Kimmi from Brazil, so my hunch had been right. However, having gotten a closer view, I wondered for a short moment if I should back off from this, because I didn't find her face all that appealing to me. She had had a nice body, however, and with the good reviews in mind I quickly committed.

When we got to the room, I didn't feel that we really clicked together. Of course, we should have had a better introduction beforehand than just "Hi, what's your name? Want to go fuck?" Also, when I asked to kiss her, Kimmi told me that would be extra. I was disappointed by this, and of course didn't agree to this attempt at extortion. However, my goal for this session was only to have a good fuck. I wasn't looking for a GFE-session, so it didn't matter too much.

I played a little with Kimmi's tits and licked her pussy for while, then 69 before a BBBJ without me licking her pussy. When the OK BJ was over, she put on the condom and straddled me (no lube) and rode me slowly RCG, her ankles parallel to the bed. Her pussy was really tight and really good, and I had to concentrate not to blow my load right away. The view that I got of her pussy lips really gripping around my cock as she was doing this was spectacular. We then went through the usual other positions, but having overcome my initial urge to come (ha ha), it was now proving a bit difficult to finish. So we went back to some more pussylicking and dicksucking before I finally shot my load with help from Kimmi's hands and mouth. I avoided the CIM/COB, however.

All in all a slightly above average session, with Kimmi certainly not being an ice queen, but not too energetic either. I think that this would have been a better session had the set up been better and without the (on my part as well) last-fuck-of-the-night-so-let's-do-it-already kinda feel that it had. I may have another go with Kimmi next time - her major selling point in my eyes is definitely her really tight pussy.

After showering I got changed and took a taxi back to my hotel.



Saturday

Wondering if I should take an afternoon trip to Palace to check out the day shift, I (now seemingly inexplicably) decided against it. Instead, I killed a couple of hours at the Zeil (which was absolutely packed with people, especially the new shopping centre with the really cool glass design, a place several of the girls I spoke to the day before had been very excited about). Also, Eintracht Frankfurt were playing at home, against Schalke I believe, so there was quite a lot of police about. I didn't spot any aggro, however.

I went back to my hotel and rested for a while, then headed for Palace sometime between 8 and 9.

My plan for the night was to have my first session with Evelina and Angelina, so that I would be full of energy for this challenge. Unfortunately, Evelina was nowhere to be seen. I placed myself in the big couch by the bar, furthest away from the bar so that I got a full overview of the floor and the passage to the rooms. This way I would definitely spot her sooner or later if she was present. As I was sitting here, Angelina came and sat next to me. I asked her about Evelina and she confirmed that she was present, but that she didn't know where she was right now. I told Angelina that I'd wait for Evelina.

Angelina then turned her attention to the guy to her other side, and soon enough they took off to a room together. I looked at my watch, so that if I came across Evelina in the meantime, I could make a fair guess of when Angelina would be available for our planned threesome. No need to fear, however. Ten minutes later to the minute, Angelina came back from the rooms with her customer in tow. "Oh, fucking hell", I thought, "this girl must be really something".

Time passed with no sign of Evelina. Instead, Roxanna came by and sat down beside me. My plan had been to do Roxanna after I'd done the two Czechs, but now this plan went out the window. Soon Roxanna was stroking my cock as I was rubbing her pussy and licking her nipples in between the DFKs. Before long we were heading for a room. Unfortunately, there was one available straight away, because I would very much have liked 10 minutes or so of waiting on a couch with Roxanna, continuing the freebie foreplay.


Roxanna (again)

In the room, Roxanna got out of her bodysuit (same as she wore the day before) and we stood at the end of the bed kissing and masturbating each other. Roxanna lifted one of her legs onto the edge of the bed, so that I would have better access when fingering her pussy. She then squatted in front of me and gave me a slow and good BBBJ.

We then got down on the bed, where followed more of the great foreplay and sex that I'd enjoyed the day before. For her finishing maneuver, Roxanna rode me CG really intensely, with her upper body leaned forward close and parallel to mine, so that we could keep sucking each other's tongues. After Roxanna had gotten a good workout riding me like this for a while, I finally came inside her.

Another splendid session with what has in short time become one of my favourite performers.


After a shower, I decided to hang around in the bar and look for Evelina again. Eventually she showed up. The problem now was that Angelina was nowhere to be found. Evelina told me to stay put and she would come and get me if and when she met up with Angelina. Turned out I had to organize the thing myself, however... After a while I spotted Angelina coming from the rooms with a customer. So she would be available shortly. Now I had to find Evelina, which I did in the innermost smoking room. I told her that Angelina now seemed available and that we should go. We went to the passage into the Kino, where Evelina led me into one of the rooms there. She then went to find Angelina, and they were both back in about a minute. I introduced myself to Angelina before I got out of my robe. Then it was down to business.


Evelina (again) and Angelina (also Czech)

Angelina has, like Evelina, big, natural tits. She has a smaller frame than Evelina, has smaller hips and is shorter than her - really a stunning body. However, I don't think her face is as beautiful as Evelina's. I believe I've seen her face compared to Paris Hilton's, which doesn't seem too far off.

OK, so I've done one threesome before - at Artemis with two Polish blonds with big, fake tits. Now it was time for my second one - with two Czech blonds with big, natural tits.

The girls asked me if I wanted a lesbi-show. With my budget in mind I reluctantly declined. I got on my back and one of the girls started sucking my cock while the was sucking my nipples and letting me suck her nipples. I reached out and played with both girls pussies. No fingering allowed though. The girls then switched positions. I definitely recall Evelina being better at sucking cock than Angelina, but to be fair, she knew me and how I like it from our previous sessions, so in that regard it wasn't a level playing field. Annoyingly, just like Evelina, Angelina wouldn't kiss or let me lick her pussy.

I then decided I wanted to fuck. When faced with the choice of who I wanted first, I went for Angelina, as I hadn't tried her pussy before. She got on all four and I fucked her doggy. Meanwhile, Evelina was laying beside us and playing with her pussy somewhat nonchalantly. I then flipped Angelina over and fucked her mish while Evelina continued with her own thing, not getting involved with us. Angelina was a very good fuck, but after a while, I wanted a little of Evelina's pussy. This meant I first had to change condom, which was a real nuisance in the heat of the action. Evelina then started to ride me CG while it was Angelina's turn to play with herself, also without getting involved with the copulating couple.

This wasn't exactly living up to be the wild sex romp I had fantasized about beforehand, so I decided I should just finish like we had started, with them blowing me. So it was back to the girls taking turns on my cock, just like mentioned above. I declined their offers of CIM (both mouths or either one of them). When I was about to come, Evelina was working my dick and Angelina my upper body. Angelina didn't move when I told them I was coming, so I had to gently push her head off my chest or else she would have gotten a severe hosing down by my load (and I guess it would have been an extra € 50). I finished by being jerked off by Evelina, spraying cum all over my stomach and chest as Angelina lay by my side watching. She then made some comment in Czech, the only word I discerned being "extrem". Evelina then replied in English that it was the same thing yesterday, when I had "exploded" in her mouth, she said, filling her cheeks with air to illustrate the point. I realized that Angelina had commented on the size of my load. The girls wiped me clean with paper, and that was the second threesome of my life over and done with, clocking in at 30 minutes sharp. So at least the timing was good.

All in all a rather mediocre experience I'm sad to say, because it's in many ways a fantasy come true, and then it turns out it isn't after all. The problem with this session was that the girls limit what's on offer. I would like one girl to ride my cock with the other one sitting on my face. I would like to be fucking one girl from behind while DFK'ing and fingering the other girl at the same time. It's not happening with these two girls... Also, it's a turn off when having to change condom when switching girl. I would like to go back and forth between the two pussies as much as I want, z.B. lining them up doggy, do some strokes on one, go to the next one for some strokes and so on. With a threesome like the one I had, I don't think you get your money worth. It's just the girls who get away with the same pay by doing half the job they normally do. My money would be much better spent doing a separate session with each girl.

I can strongly recommend Evelina for a one-on-one session, but not for a threesome. I'll probably go again with Angelina too, just the two of us, so I can get a better experience of her. As mentioned, she is a real stunner.

The threesome fantasy will remain strong, for sure, and I'll definitely do it again some time in the future. However, it will then be very important to go with two girls without all the "restrictions" and who act more wildly, so I can really live out my fantasies.

One thing I liked though, was exiting the room with these two beautiful girls. There was a guy sitting on the couch in the hallway that leads to the Kino who gave me quite the stare when we passed him. Even though the session itself was so-so, at least I felt like quite the porn star (or rather felt that I looked like quite the pornstar) parading over to the deposit boxes with the two girls. The difference being, of course, that a porn star would be paid to fuck, whereas I was now paying to fuck...

I took a shower and placed myself in the bar again, pondering whether I should stay for one more session. As it wouldn't be too long until next time I visit Palace, I decided against it. Else I would have squeezed one last load out of my dick, as there still were plenty of good looking girls around that I would like to try.

On my way out I said goodbye to Evelina, who was standing at the opposite side of the bar. She gave my a few light kisses and I promised to see her again next time at Palace. Then it was a taxi ride back to my hotel for a few hours sleep before an early flight home the next day.


As for other news, I met Polish Cindy (tall blond, big fake breasts, nice face and body). I recognized her from Artemis, but I can't remember if Cindy was the name she went by there too. She told me that she now had made the move to Palace. Czech Gina was nowhere to be found. Evelina told me that she was in Spain and might be due back on the Sunday I went home. I can't think of anything else to report, except that the showers, which have received some comments lately, were now warm and I have no complaints about them this time.

I will be back in Palace for a one-nighter in a matter of days, as I'm making a (non-mongering) trip further south on the continent and have manged to arrange a lay-over in Frankfurt on my way down, with one single purpose in mind. I can hardly wait...


Ozzy

[M P Lurker]

- Oase: reachable without a car, but for medium braves pioneers. Eheh At Frankfurt main railway station, you have to look the train for Friedrichsdorf. It's 4 euro and maybe 30' minutes. Overthere you'll ask to a taxi for Ober-Erlenbacher-Strasse, or you'll ask to a guy which bus go versus Burgholzhausen, the Oase' street is in the deep country, don't be afraid.

Taxi is reasonable priced about 8minutes for 10euros maybe, bus very cheap (tickets doable on board) and maybe 15minutes.

Nah. Its easy. Train platform 103/104 from main rail station (S-Bahn S5) to Friedrichsdorf. Taxis waiting out side. Just tell the taxi to go to Oase, prounounced "O-ar-zer". Thats it. What's this brave stuff?
It's many times more complex to drive there. GPS needed.
Oase is at Nadelmuehle between Burgholzhausen and Ober-Erlenbach

Google Maps:
Palace:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Palace+FKK,+Frankfurt&sll=50.093758,8.670793&sspn=0.149992,0.334396&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=50.128158,8.626649&spn=0.004519,0.01045&z=17&iwloc=A

Oase:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=FKK,+Frankfurt&sll=50.525651,8.761597&sspn=0.573587,1.337585&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=50.24737,8.671818&spn=0.037378,0.083599&z=14

World:
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=FKK+World,+Frankfurt&sll=49.960312,8.559466&sspn=1.20327,2.675171&gl=au&ie=UTF8&ll=50.534108,8.736191&spn=0.037152,0.083599&z=14&iwloc=lyrftr:w2.92,0x47bcf7a051256aad:0x7ca87054db14580d,50.540272,8.745203

Here is a link to checking trains to Giessen for World, for example.
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en?ld=212.119&seqnr=11&ident=3o.016553119.1237010930&rt=1&rememberSortType=minDeparture&changeRequestProperties&HWAI=~CONNECTION;~GLOBALAPPLICATION
Can search for trip to Garbenteich Sportsplatz too, via train and bus.

[Dreams]

20 something euro's each way from giessen to world...40 euro's for the taxi. Car rental is something like 30 euro's per day.
rents car for 30 Euros per day?
I am interested in a 2 day rental form Frankfurt airport, but could not find such a good deal...

[Henio]

rents car for 30 Euros per day?
I am interested in a 2 day rental form Frankfurt airport, but could not find such a good deal... Try:
http://www.sixti.com/
http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic (then select the link at the bottom of page)
https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink2

The Hertz deal is by far the best one if you are doing a weekend rental, even if you are only renting couple of days

[Boomer10]

The Hertz rate is good, but I think it's only available to residents of Germany. If follow the links, when you end up at the "Ihre Reservierung" page where it asks for your address, it's expecting an address in Germany.


Try:
http://www.sixti.com/
http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic (then select the link at the bottom of page)
https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink2

The Hertz deal is by far the best one if you are doing a weekend rental, even if you are only renting couple of days

[Myrmidon]

Ozzy Ozzman,

Thanks for the excellent report. You managed to confirm a lot of points for me about these Czech girls. I agree with your idea of a 3-some, and the Czech Blond Brigade is just not into that! I'm striking them off my 'to do' list for my visit in April, since no DFK, nor DATY.

I was surprised by your comment that Kimmi (Kimi) was charging extra for DFK. Hadn't noted that before. Guess she has learned the value of a Brazilian DFK.

Thanks for the report and good luck on your next encounter.

[Basketcase]

The Hertz rate is good, but I think it's only available to residents of Germany. If follow the links, when you end up at the "Ihre Reservierung" page where it asks for your address, it's expecting an address in Germany.

Hey Boomer10,

Do you have to be German to get a Hertz deal?

This question has been asked before. I guess you put in the address of your hotel or who you are staying with as your residence in Germany. Just like when people fill in landing cards for UK, Russia, China or USA or other countries you need to have an address of where you are staying when entering the country.

Then at the rental counter they ask where do you really live and you say where (it is on your drivers licence anyway) and then they fill in that too.

Others have done this before.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Boomer10]

When I emailed Hertz, they sent me this:



Thank you for your recent inquiry.

Hertz utilizes residency based rates as a marketing strategy to increase business from different regions. If you choose to book the lower rate, Hertz reserves the right to require you to show proof of qualification for that rate. Such as an airline ticket or boarding pass, Hotel receipt, etc...

If we can help you with any other car rental concerns, please let us know.

Regards,
Debby
Correspondent
The Hertz Corporation
10401 N. Pennsylvania Avenue
Oklahoma City, OK 73120


I didn't follow up on this. It looks like whoever is processing your reservation can let it slide or refuse to honor the reservation. I think if you make reservation at this rate and you don't have the magic document (whatever it happens to be to your agent), don't be shocked if you're charged a higher rate.

boomer10



Hey Boomer10,

Do you have to be German to get a Hertz deal?

This question has been asked before. I guess you put in the address of your hotel or who you are staying with as your residence in Germany. Just like when people fill in landing cards for UK, Russia, China or USA or other countries you need to have an address of where you are staying when entering the country.

Then at the rental counter they ask where do you really live and you say where (it is on your drivers licence anyway) and then they fill in that too.

Others have done this before.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Henio]

@Boomer: Just ignore it. Put in whatever address, it does not matter. I have been doing this for 10 years in different countries, always rent as a local since those are always the best deals. I am probably talking about 50-100 rentals I have done with this method and never had anyone refuse the quoted rate on my voucher at the counter. I walk up there, they see my passport, see that I am not residence of whatever country and never say anything. They probably dont know the details of the agreement anyways, and if they do, you just pretend not to understand. Hertz offers the hertz.de site in English and the residency requirement is in the small lettered footnote so just ignore it.

If they do, then just pretend not to understand what the hell they are talking about and demand the rate they quoted on your voucher. Trust me, people working at the rental counters do not want to spend their time arguing these things.

[Basketcase]

@Boomer: Just ignore it. Put in whatever address, it does not matter. I have been doing this for 10 years in different countries, always rent as a local since those are always the best deals. I am probably talking about 50-100 rentals I have done with this method and never had anyone refuse the quoted rate on my voucher at the counter. I walk up there, they see my passport, see that I am not residence of whatever country and never say anything. They probably dont know the details of the agreement anyways, and if they do, you just pretend not to understand.

Thank you Henio for stating assertively your experience in regard to Hertz.de rentals whereby a better local price is achievable if you book that particular deal which purportedly is for German residents only. I too have been doing the same for some time booking the local deals and not having any demur from the rental counter staff as whether I was truly eligible for the deal.

I did have one counter staff at FFM Flughafen ask me where did I get such a good deal and I replied from their website and they went "oh" and then continued processing my application. They did question where I lived in Germany and I said I am staying in Frankfurt and gave the address of my hotel. The counter staff then asked for my address from my homeland since that was needed - not a Deutschland address.

Hope this helps,

Basketcase

[Boomer10]

@Boomer: Just ignore it. Put in whatever address, it does not matter. I have been doing this for 10 years in different countries, always rent as a local since those are always the best deals. I am probably talking about 50-100 rentals I have done with this method and never had anyone refuse the quoted rate on my voucher at the counter. I walk up there, they see my passport, see that I am not residence of whatever country and never say anything. They probably dont know the details of the agreement anyways, and if they do, you just pretend not to understand. Hertz offers the hertz.de site in English and the residency requirement is in the small lettered footnote so just ignore it.

If they do, then just pretend not to understand what the hell they are talking about and demand the rate they quoted on your voucher. Trust me, people working at the rental counters do not want to spend their time arguing these things.

One of the many good things about this forum is the opportunity to learn from the experiences of others.

[Chardonnay]

Heading to Frankfurt on business occasions always allows me to visit the famous Palace. Had an appointment on Friday morning so arrived on Thursday and booked my stay in the Flemmings Hotel on the opposite road side, so walking disctance to the club approx. 10 Meters what can be very comfortable.

Flemmings Hotel is rated with 4 stars and it's really woth the money. They got a really nice and tasty restaurant and a great bar with a large drinking list and lot of nice wines (open and bottled), not only from Germany.

But anyway, due to the fact that I arrived late, needed a shower, some food and drink it was about midnight when entering the Palace that was more than just full. It was completly crowdwd, bathrobes were out, shoes just 3 pairs in XXXL-size left and the buffet empty. I wasnt here to eat but I never experienced this before in the Palace. There must be about 30-40 girls and about 130 gentlemens so it was really hard to get.

a) a stunner
b) a room
c) a chance for some small talk with the girls
d) champagne, the cheapest bottle was out of order as one girl told me.

For me personally it was too crowded so I just had some drinks and spent one half hour with Anna from Bulgaria - Action was fine but all girls were a bit out of power due to their "shift operation".

When leaving the Palace I was asking for the reason of being so unbelievable crowded this night. At the moment there is a HUGE trade fair in Frankfurt. So next time I will check this before planning trips to Frankfurt.

Cheers,

Chardonnay

[M P Lurker]

When we got to the room, I didn't feel that we really clicked together. Of course, we should have had a better introduction beforehand than just "Hi, what's your name? Want to go fuck?" Also, when I asked to kiss her, Kimmi told me that would be extra.....Kimmi is generally very friendly and a very nice fair girl. I have never encountered her wanting extra for kissing.

Some days she can get quite horny too.

So I reckon you should try more to get chemistry going with a girl, before going to the room. YMMV.

I have found that some girls who say they don't kiss at all, do kiss if they like you.

[Mr_Hoffy]

I have found that sixt holiday cars are a decent deal if you need a weekend rate. http://www.sixt.com/holidaycars

They are good because they have unlimited mileage, insurance, and you can rent it at one location in Frankfurt and return it to another location.

Last summer I rented a VW Polo, (upgraded for free with a Mini Cooper), for four days during the weekend. Rented it from city center in Frankfurt and returned it to Hahn Airport for 109 Euro. There was no additional charge because I dropped the car off in another location.

Just a few weeks ago I rented a Smart Car from Sixti for four days for 57 Euro. It had 400 km limitation but will definitely get you to World and Oase. The issue with Sixti is there are additional charges if you rent from the airport and you must return the car where you rented it.



Try:
http://www.sixti.com/
http://www.avis.de/Topangebote/Avis-Basic (then select the link at the bottom of page)
https://www.hertz.de/rentacar/specialoffers/index.jsp?targetPage=D_Airport_Special.jsp&Category=K&TabLink=tlink2

The Hertz deal is by far the best one if you are doing a weekend rental, even if you are only renting couple of days

[Anarkypg]

Which is, in your opinion, the best fkk? I visited only Artemis in Berlin and it was great! Is there one better than Artemis, in Germany or in Switzerland?

Thanks!

[Breadman]

There's a messe starting at the end of the month, hotel rates jump a few days before the start of the messe. Was wondering what this will do to the club business on a Monday? More girls? More guys?

[Hessen Bub]

Kimmi is generally very friendly and a very nice fair girl. I have never encountered her wanting extra for kissing.

Same with me, DFK was always included. Chemistry is a big part of the game.

HB

[Night Bird]

I was in Frankfurt last week for Exhibition, I took the time last Wednesday to visit the Famous Palace. I went there at about 5 in the afternoon, and the place was quite full but one of the gilrs said that it will get more crouded later on. I changed and went to the sitting area, where I wanted to check out the girs before selecting one. The place was a bit dim for my eyes, some girls looked better far away, but when they get closer they are not realy that special. I noticed right away that the general idea was not GF, but rather mechanical. Anyways, I sat for a bit then this nice girl from Turkry came over, COCO eas her name, we talked minimal time and then went into the room. The good thing about the placce is that the coast for 30min is quite good, but as soon as I got into the room the girls started to convince me of haveing her for one houre rather than 30min, I declined as I wanted to try other girls.

Anyways after trying her I was not for a sec thinking to have her again, not bad, but I am looking for great sex.

Went back to the sitting area after a shower and thought of heading to the jakuzi, not a good idea (packed with guys getting drunk). Sat on one on of the couches for relaxation and to target my next encounter.

After a bit with no girls comming over, not mentioning the asias, I was encountered by a girl from Bulgaria, she was very nice looking and I guess she was sexy, we asked "Are you Game? ", that was a turn off, cause she didn't even take the time to sell her self to me but I felt it will be very mechanical, and she left.

After 15 min I spotted a stunning girl, and I realy wanted her to come over. She did after like another 15 min, I was still tired but I wanted her to sit with me cause I felt that her body can easly get me up and going for round two. We talked for like one min, and she said are you relaing I said that I was waiting for her to sit for a min before going in a room, she left. That was very wierd. I dint even complete my sentance. As a stunner she was I went to her in about 10min and told her lets go and she said that she was relaxting, fuck that.

Another girl, came over to me from Ukrain, very sexy. We talked and went to room, started right away with very little kissing and then as it started to get where I wanted it, she took out a wet tissue and cleaned my dick with it before going into a BBBJ, I understand that she is being carefull but that gave me a kind of a bad feeling. Anyways, she was very sexy as I said before. The action itself I would rate as 7 since she was in a hurry to get it over with and go for the next customer. I paid her and Left since it was 7 and I had dinner appointment.

Total experiance not bad, but defenetly no what I have expected from reading the forum.

I am comparing it with my experiance in the Swiss-FKK near Zurich. Check my report in Zurich Forum last November.

I will not go to the Palace again.

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[M P Lurker]

Heading to Frankfurt on business occasions always allows me to visit the famous Palace. Had an appointment on Friday morning so arrived on Thursday and booked my stay in the Flemmings Hotel on the opposite road side, so walking disctance to the club approx. 10 Meters what can be very comfortable.

Flemmings Hotel is rated with 4 stars and it's really woth the money. They got a really nice and tasty restaurant and a great bar with a large drinking list and lot of nice wines (open and bottled), not only from Germany.

But anyway, due to the fact that I arrived late, needed a shower, some food and drink it was about midnight when entering the Palace that was more than just full. It was completly crowdwd, bathrobes were out, shoes just 3 pairs in XXXL-size left and the buffet empty. I wasnt here to eat but I never experienced this before in the Palace. There must be about 30-40 girls and about 130 gentlemens so it was really hard to get.

a) a stunner
b) a room
c) a chance for some small talk with the girls
d) champagne, the cheapest bottle was out of order as one girl told me.

For me personally it was too crowded so I just had some drinks and spent one half hour with Anna from Bulgaria - Action was fine but all girls were a bit out of power due to their "shift operation".

When leaving the Palace I was asking for the reason of being so unbelievable crowded this night. At the moment there is a HUGE trade fair in Frankfurt. So next time I will check this before planning trips to Frankfurt.

Cheers,

ChardonnayMidnight is not a great time to turn up to Palace on a busy day. If you check my report, I turned up much earlier on same night but was there till 2AM.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=857811&postcount=3941

Yes it was, but a lot of hot girls. At about 12:30 AM I had my last session. Plenty of girls available. I had Didee and room wait was not too excessive, maybe 4-5 mins. Two other couples were ahead of us but maybe was lucky that 3 rooms became available in rapid sucession.

Sometimes girls assume rooms will be in use just 30 mins and get frustrated when I am in there for 1 hour, so I will stick to many room area in future when place is busy.

I had a great time but once it gets a bit too full, its time to leave and I had work next day anyway.

Please try to get to the Palace earlier. Not many guys early in the evening and heaps of girls.

[Basketcase]

You managed to confirm a lot of points for me about these Czech girls. I agree with your idea of a 3-some, and the Czech Blond Brigade is just not into that! I'm striking them off my 'to do' list for my visit in April, since no DFK, nor DATY.

I was surprised by your comment that Kimmi (Kimi) was charging extra for DFK. Hadn't noted that before. Guess she has learned the value of a Brazilian DFK.

To Myrmidon and Ozzy Ozzman,

The Czech girls and some of the other girls explained to me that the Palace management had said that the €50 standard session on offer was suck and fuck. Some of the girls interpretated that pronoucement with meticulous legalise that it meant no need to kiss, allow muschi licking or other services that the some members expect are standard. The next step was that since the standard service was suck and fuck then the DFK, muschi licking and taking your time - that is, you get the full 30 minutes would all be extras.

It may also be that some girls use the extras ruse to generate more money from foreigners or tourists. I know that I have been hit up for this many a time and paid it. Also some girls may use the "that is extra" to deter some punters from doing something that they do not want to do with that particular client.

For example, a few girls say that they do not want to kiss a guy in public since they want to ability to choose who they kiss. What they do not want to do is show to all who are watching that they do kiss and then when another comes along and asks to kiss her and she says "no", the guy complains that, "I just saw you kissing that man over there".

There are plenty of girls still that are happy to kiss a guy in public.

I must admit that in no introductory spiel that I have experienced from any visit to a FKK or sauna club has the management spelt out what a €50 session included. Anal and CIM were always spelt out as extras but not COB.

Thanks to this forum I found that COB was for many girls not an extra - World, Oase, Golden Time - all of these have been pretty much all inclusive in the €50 session. It is only Palace that has this surcharge as standard. Another reason why I am more reluctant to come here or else I will be coming in mouths the whole time which can add up to the tab.

I am due back at Palace either soon - one time on my lonesome and the second time with a crew of hardened veterans that we had planned like 3 months ago. I may go along, hang our with the guys and spend the day with Eier full of sperma that has been un-popped or cartridge not fired.

Cheers,

Basketcase

[Ekliges Lauern]

I am due back at Palace either soon - one time on my lonesome and the second time with a crew of hardened veterans that we had planned like 3 months ago. I may go along, hang our with the guys and spend the day with Eier full of sperma that has been un-popped or cartridge not fired.

BC,

May I suggest you use the occassion of your solo visit to hone your radar and selection skills. Technique I use when selecting a new girl is I make a short list of five or six girls I would be interested in based on appearance. Watch each of these girls and how they interact with other customers. When she approaches you, test for chemistry. Is she all business-like, or is she playful and friendly? Is the number of customers she gets better or worse than what you would expect based on her appearance? Do her customers look happy and content returning from the room or do they look pissed off?

If she goes to the Kino with a guy, go and discreetly (this is the key) check out how she interacts with him. Cross girls off your list that show red-flag warning signs. Add new girls to your short list based on their approach if you sense chemistry. When your mind is almost decided, go into the Kino and let her try to close the deal. Here's a clue, if she tries to blow you before kissing you in the Kino, she's probably not going to DFK in the room. Be prepared to make a snap judgement in the Kino.

Also, if there is a girl that you like and have gotten good service from, watch who she hangs out with and select one of her friends. Conversely, for girls that have gotten you to pay for false extras, such as kissing or GFE, do not go with anyone in their clique. You are marked as an easy mark for false extras. Don't be surprised when their friends try to pull the same stunt.

These techniques aren't 100% effective, but they have served me well. Pay attention and think with you head, not your dick.

Cheers,
EL

[M P Lurker]

BC,

May I suggest you use the occassion of your solo visit to hone your radar and selection skills. Technique I use when selecting a new girl is I make a short list of five or six girls I would be interested in based on appearance. Watch each of these girls and how they interact with other customers. When she approaches you, test for chemistry. Is she all business-like, or is she playful and friendly? Is the number of customers she gets better or worse than what you would expect based on her appearance? Do her customers look happy and content returning from the room or do they look pissed off?

If she goes to the Kino with a guy, go and discreetly (this is the key) check out how she interacts with him. Cross girls off your list that show red-flag warning signs. Add new girls to your short list based on their approach if you sense chemistry. When your mind is almost decided, go into the Kino and let her try to close the deal. Here's a clue, if she tries to blow you before kissing you in the Kino, she's probably not going to DFK in the room. Be prepared to make a snap judgement in the Kino.

Also, if there is a girl that you like and have gotten good service from, watch who she hangs out with and select one of her friends. Conversely, for girls that have gotten you to pay for false extras, such as kissing or GFE, do not go with anyone in their clique. You are marked as an easy mark for false extras. Don't be surprised when their friends try to pull the same stunt.

These techniques aren't 100% effective, but they have served you well. Pay attention and think with you head, not your dick.

Cheers,
EL
EL offers very good advice to all re Shark avoidance and having a great time at Palace. I have been using some of these techniques, but have plenty to learn.

Hanging with friends of girls that you like has worked well for me too.

It is tougher for newcomers as that don't have a list of regular favourites, but reading the forum can pick up a few recommended girls, if they happen to be your type.

In my last 10 trips to Palace I have only had probably 2 ordinary sessions and only one of them tried the upsell at first which I quickly put down. Both were O.K. fucks and good looking but not enough chemistry to repeat. So apart from that, great girls throughout 10 trips (including many repeats with superstars).

Using EL's tips it should be possible to avoid most dud sessions.

ML

[Mike De H]

BC,

Technique I use when selecting a new girl is I make a short list of five or six girls I would be interested in based on appearance. Watch each of these girls and how they interact with other customers. When she approaches you, test for chemistry. Is she all business-like, or is she playful and friendly? Is the number of customers she gets better or worse than what you would expect based on her appearance? Do her customers look happy and content returning from the room or do they look pissed off?
Cheers,
EL

All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).

What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

If kissing is OK then all the rest of the session usually goes OK, COB, full 30 minutes DATY and so on.

At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.

[Myrmidon]

Your comments, advice, etc. Are all noted and appreciated. Thank you. Since I began preparing for this trip in Jan. I have been watching the board (and others), noting comments and making a list of who's naughty & who's nice.

At first I viewed the FKKs as heaven. Now, I am more realistic. They are heaven, with an edge! As always in this hobby, YMMV. Personal hygiene and manners still count. The ladies are independent contractors who want to make a lot of money and so will tolerate a great deal; but even the most callous gold-digger has her limits. You want to go with a nice package? Then present one as well. Just because you are paying, that's no excuse for not being nice. Just read the reports and the fellows with a good attitude seem to do well enough.

Thanks again for the tips. I would be pleased to discuss this in person, later in April when I visit. (Both Oase and Palace).

Till then, Take care, keep safe and have fun. Myr.

[M P Lurker]

All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).

What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

If kissing is OK then all the rest of the session usually goes OK, COB, full 30 minutes DATY and so on.

At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.
Normally we don't have to ask for kissing as has already ready started on the couch.

Nina told me she didn't like to kiss but after hanging with her enough time and getting chemistry, when got to room she was a good kisser after all.

Most good girls like DATY as its more restful than getting banged hard and can use up session time when they don't even have to do anything. Some will even allow themselves to orgasm if technique is good. Others are scared to come as may make them too lazy to work properly. But no guy is going to pay extra for it. That's just plain crazy! I have ended up paying extra indirectly as long DATY occasionally makes me go to 60 min session instead of 30 mins. Often I would have gone over 30 mins anyway. With super girls, sometimes 60 mins seems very short.

[Basketcase]

What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

You do get the issue that the girl says "no" and you still want to bang her arse.

Then there is the other issue that she says yes in public but only does light kisses or just avoids kissing altogether after a quick closed lipped peck.

Then there is the situation when you do ask and she says its €50 extra. I guess that means case closed.

When I was visiting FKK Artemis - because it had the FKK Palace feel to it I actually added in "Do you kiss" in the initial interview and then made up my mind from there. Quite a lot of girls at Artemis said that they did not kiss. Because some were so hot looking I just discounted the kissing since I wanted to grab her arse or tits or watch her pretty face sucking my schwanz.

At FKK World - I cannot recall ever needing to ask if she kissed since I always expect it there.

At FKK Oase - I do not recall asking girls if they kiss since just about every one does kiss. There are exceptions - some girls that I have been with used to kiss then no longer kiss - because of health reasons or they have changed their service level. There is also the issue that there is a regular group of girls that I see that I just go with now and they do all the naughty things I like and know how to do me.

At Golden Time - I sometimes ask for clarification if she kisses, especially if they are optifuck material. I do not ask all the time now since I have a group of regular girls that I see. Obvious girls that do not kiss is Lisa (Germany). Many girls say they kiss but really do not get into it and actually light kiss or kiss for a few seconds then try to avoid your face the rest of the time.

At Planet Happy Garden - kissing has always been included for me.

At Villa Vertigo - a mix bag, but in all my sessions there have been kissing but it was probably the - okay we kissed for less than a minute - ticked that off the list - now we move onto the blowjob and get you off.

Yin Yang was generally kissing included. I think just one session there was no kissing, she was German but she let me come in her mouth for extra €25. One girl said no muschi licking but then relented and by the end of the session I had four fingers in there since after a bit of BC tongue loving she was grabbing my hand and forcing digits up her muschi like she needed them to breath, she then demanded a couple of digits in her arsehole for good measure. I was running out of fingers doing this stimulation such that if she wanted more I think I was going to have to using toes. This reminds me that I should get back to the Dutch/German border and visit this place again. The music here is really good.


At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

Nice way to handle the situation.


You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.

I think some people just do not want the hassle or the stress of dealing with the processors and upsellers. If you do not want this - probably best avoid this club - especially at Messe time. There are two on during the period 1-4 April: Musikmesse and Prolight and Sound Messe. Maybe best to avoid this time if in the Hesse clubs - NRW may be a better choice at this time. I guess World will not be over-run like Palace and Oase will be at this time.

[Ekliges Lauern]

All good advice, you should also watch (on busy days) how long they take with previous customers (something to do when recovering).

See my note in Palace regarding Czech Linda at the start of her career. This is less an indicator of whether a woman will provide a good session than whether her customer is happy. Also, one time at GT, a lass that I had seen in the Kino getting a guy off in ten minutes flat approached me in the Kino. I playfully noted that that she seemed to have rushed her previous customer. Her response, "But he wanted a quickee!". Ok, I took the plunge and had a nice session at a pace I liked. Don't put too much faith in timing girls on standard sessions.

Now if she disappears for hours at a time, that is another matter. Run, don't walk to session with her.


What surprises me is nobody thinks to ask "Kussen Du in Zimmer?" or "Do you kiss?". If the answer is anything but a simple "yes" or "no problem" then you have a potential problem. Of course, after saying yes, she can't then charge extra, because she did not mention a price.

Because it is usually not necessary and with some girls it can spoil the chemistry. I usually make new girls seal the deal in the Kino. She will kiss or she won't. If she won't kiss in the Kino, she won't kiss in the room. She's pretty much going to bring everything to the table to try to seal the deal in the Kino. Aside from fucking which some girls won't do in the Kino, she will use every other tool to get you to commit.


At World last week, some girl did try to sell me DATY as an extra and I just laughed and told her she had to pay me 50 Euros to do that... problem killed dead, rest of session OK.

You have to be careful at Palace, its not as straight forward as the other clubs.

Your first statement disproves the second. I've had various minor scams attempted from time banditry to inflated and false extras at Oase and GT as well. Only reason I haven't run into it at World is I don't frequent the club. There is a segment of girls that are sizing you up at all of the big clubs to see if you are an uninformed newbee and if they can extract a little more money than they should. You handled it correctly, just say no when confronted with this kind of behaviour.

I use these techniques at all clubs, not just Palace. It's part of the reason I don't like going to clubs without Kinos or couch action. It throws off my selection process.

[Ekliges Lauern]

You do get the issue that the girl says "no" and you still want to bang her arse.

Then there is the other issue that she says yes in public but only does light kisses or just avoids kissing altogether after a quick closed lipped peck.

Then there is the situation when you do ask and she says its €50 extra. I guess that means case closed.

1st situation, make up your mind. It depends how important kissing is to you.

2nd situation, this is the dangers of asking. She technically complied, but not what you are looking for. Better to test in the Kino for a satisfactory level of affection.

3rd situation, here is why you must say no (actually, it's your choice, but it hurts you in the long run).

Post session girl chatter in make up room (with other girls listening):

Girl 1: How was BC as a customer?

BC's girl: Good, he was clean and polite and best of all I got him to pay an extra 50E for kissing.

Girl 1: Really?

How do you think Girl 1 (or any other girl within earshot) is going to respond when you ask her if she kisses?

[Breadman]

Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?

[M P Lurker]

Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?
I wouldn't start kissing a girl seriously unless I wanted to go with her. A little peck has occurred with a girl after i had made quite clear that I was Kaput at that time, but that I did like her. She was friend of my regular girl.

More on Basjketcase's theme now.

I don't think the particular club is relevant in relation to whether a girl wants to kiss. Much more depends on what culture she comes from, her personal values, whether she or guy has a bad cold, whether guy has very bad breath, whether she feels she needs to do it to get customers, etc.

Kissing passes on viruses and is a dangerous activity for a girl's health.

[Chardonnay]

Midnight is not a great time to turn up to Palace on a busy day. If you check my report, I turned up much earlier on same night but was there till 2AM.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=857811&postcount=3941

Yes it was, but a lot of hot girls. At about 12:30 AM I had my last session. Plenty of girls available. I had Didee and room wait was not too excessive, maybe 4-5 mins. Two other couples were ahead of us but maybe was lucky that 3 rooms became available in rapid sucession.

Sometimes girls assume rooms will be in use just 30 mins and get frustrated when I am in there for 1 hour, so I will stick to many room area in future when place is busy.

I had a great time but once it gets a bit too full, its time to leave and I had work next day anyway.

Please try to get to the Palace earlier. Not many guys early in the evening and heaps of girls.I read your, really nice, thanks for the effort.

It was my perhaps 12th or 13th visit at the Palace. You are right, earlier in the day the atmosphere is much better and the choice of great girls a lot better.

But as I wrote I had no other chance then entering the Palace this day so late and beside the crowdness I enjoyed my time.

Best,

Chardonnay

[Ekliges Lauern]

Has anyone ever had an issue where you or the girl gave you a kiss...and then you decided not to go to the room with her...and she said that the kissing was an agreement to go to the room. Fork over 50 for the kiss?

Nope. Key is to be a reluctant participant in any kissing. If you start enthusiastically playing tonsil hockey, don't be surprised if she gets pissed off when you back out. Same goes for wanking. You can't be an enthusiastic participant for long without her getting pissed off when you back out.

Just because the deal is sealed with a BJ does not mean it is cool to do anything up to a BJ and back out. Use your judgement.

[Myrmidon]

... I went there at about 5 in the afternoon, and the place was quite full but one of the gilrs said that it will get more crouded later on. I changed and went to the sitting area, where I wanted to check out the girs before selecting one. The place was a bit dim for my eyes, some girls looked better far away, but when they get closer they are not realy that special. I noticed right away that the general idea was not GF, but rather mechanical.
...
After a bit with no girls comming over, not mentioning the asias, I was encountered by a girl from Bulgaria, she was very nice looking and I guess she was sexy, we asked "Are you Game? ", that was a turn off, cause she didn't even take the time to sell her self to me but I felt it will be very mechanical, and she left.

After 15 min I spotted a stunning girl, and I realy wanted her to come over. She did after like another 15 min, I was still tired but I wanted her to sit with me cause I felt that her body can easly get me up and going for round two. We talked for like one min, and she said are you relaing I said that I was waiting for her to sit for a min before going in a room, she left. That was very wierd. I dint even complete my sentance. As a stunner she was I went to her in about 10min and told her lets go and she said that she was relaxting, fuck that.
...
Total experiance not bad, but defenetly no what I have expected from reading the forum.

I am comparing it with my experiance in the Swiss-FKK near Zurich. Check my report in Zurich Forum last November.

I will not go to the Palace again.Sorry you did not have a better time of it. Thanks for the report, another perspective / type of shark behavior, (reluctant to approach you).

[Myrmidon]

I understand that a messe occurring in Frankfurt can be a blessing and a curse: more women, more men.

To check out the situation I found site: http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en.html which does not indicate any events or congresses during the period of my visit, April 21 - 30.

Can anyone advise of other sites I should check?

[James Bond 007]

If you are initiating or fully participating in kissing and other physical contact, I can see how the girls would be pissed off if you just walk away. The only exception would be if you told them in advance that you are not going back to a room with her and she says OK.


Nope. Key is to be a reluctant participant in any kissing. If you start enthusiastically playing tonsil hockey, don't be surprised if she gets pissed off when you back out. Same goes for wanking. You can't be an enthusiastic participant for long without her getting pissed off when you back out.

Just because the deal is sealed with a BJ does not mean it is cool to do anything up to a BJ and back out. Use your judgement.

[Wever]

Last month I visited the Palace on a Wednesday and had a very pleasant evening.

I was helped with my key by a girl with dark hair in a bleu bikini that bumped in later to me. Half long hair, slim and nice breasts she told me she was from Bulgaria. We went to the room and had a very pleasant session and I had a great look at here beautiful ass as we performed doggy style.

Later in the cinema I rest a little and was ‘attacked’ by several girls. I managed to convince them that I needed a little more time. One, from Belarus I think, however did not leave and we talked a little. The usual small talk. Long blond hair and actually a little fleshier than I really like. She told me she was a good kisser and gave me a deep tongue kiss. Then she took my little friend and gave it a nice massage, while she talked on. She started to kiss again and I decided to let her go. It felt so good. Then she started to give me a BBBJ that even felt better. And after 20 minutes or so we decided to go to the room where we continued and we finished in missionary position. Very satisfactory.

Later that night I came out of the sauna where I bumped into a slim girl, Coco, with long dark hair that I had seen from the start in the smoking room in the back. She stayed there all the time. We had a drink together while I sat on the stool at the bar, she stood in front of me rubbing me. I caressed here nice firm breasts and when I discovered she was Turkish the ice was totally broken. At the room I made the only mistake of that evening to agree a session for 100€. I should not have done that. The session was rather nice but not worth the extra.

Moreover because I had bumped into a two Rumanian girls, Lara and Carmen, and had planned to do a session with one of them. But after the extra for the Turkish girl, my money was finished so I had to go.

All together a very satisfactory night and I regret that I live so far from Frankfurt.

Have fun

[Mike De H]

See my note in Palace regarding Czech Linda at the start of her career. This is less an indicator of whether a woman will provide a good session than whether her customer is happy.

I disagree, it is 100% a good indicator of a processor. Obviously one has to use common sense, a young eager guy will get off quick but she should still not rush him out of the room. Manners and all that. If its an older guy, he will not be as quick and if she does three 10 minute sessions in a row then you have a pretty good indication.


Now if she disappears for hours at a time, that is another matter. Run, don't walk to session with her.

Again, I do not nescessarily agree. Some guys like doing long sessions, not always with a girl you would like. When a girl is offered a lot of cash, its a different kettle of ballgames.



Kissing: Because it is usually not necessary and with some girls it can spoil the chemistry.

I do not personally find that it destroys the chemistry. I also find it is not usually important to ask. What is important is _how_ you ask, be cheeky, playful, etc. Depends on your social skills, what you can get away with.



Your first statement disproves the second. I've had various minor scams attempted from time banditry to inflated and false extras at Oase and GT as well.

The statement that one has to be careful at Palace is not compromised by the fact that you can have problems anywhere, or that I used an example at a previous club. IMHO Palace is just the worst of the bunch in this respect. There are many, many examples on this thread.


You handled it correctly, just say no when confronted with this kind of behaviour.

Many thanks.


I use these techniques at all clubs, not just Palace. It's part of the reason I don't like going to clubs without Kinos or couch action. It throws off my selection process.

Each has his own tried and tested methods. I almost never use the Kino and unlike most, I get the most couch action at World. Personally my succcess rate is high enough that the problem cases are the exception not the rule. Usually its when I think with my dick not my head that I get the problem.

[Myrmidon]

After a bit with no girls comming over, not mentioning the asias,

Total experiance not bad, but defenetly no what I have expected from reading the forum.

I will not go to the Palace again.Hopefully one of the asians that you missed was not the highly rated Bee (Bea).

I was planning on bringing buckets of cash for the ladies when I visit. Based on Night Bird's visit, maybe I will save a lot of cash.

Some of the ladies behavior, as described here, boarders on rude. Perhaps it was because it was just such a busy night and they were tired?

[M P Lurker]

I was in Frankfurt last week for Exhibition, I took the time last Wednesday to visit the Famous Palace. I went there at about 5 in the afternoon, and the place was quite full but one of the gilrs said that it will get more crouded later on. I changed and went to the sitting area, where I wanted to check out the girs before selecting one. The place was a bit dim for my eyes, some girls looked better far away, but when they get closer they are not realy that special. I noticed right away that the general idea was not GF, but rather mechanical.

How did he notice that. I have many regulars that act as though they are my part time GFs. You get to know, them, build chemistry and respect, and you GFEs. But must pick the right girls.



Anyways, I sat for a bit then this nice girl from Turkry came over, COCO eas her name, we talked minimal time and then went into the room. The good thing about the placce is that the coast for 30min is quite good, but as soon as I got into the room the girls started to convince me of haveing her for one houre rather than 30min, I declined as I wanted to try other girls.

Anyways after trying her I was not for a sec thinking to have her again, not bad, but I am looking for great sex.

I don't know Coco from Turkey. probably never appealed to me. But talking for minimal time is a danger. Read the forum and find out some recommended girls. A bit of kissing cuddling and playing on the couch makes a good start before going to the room.



Went back to the sitting area after a shower and thought of heading to the jakuzi, not a good idea (packed with guys getting drunk). Sat on one on of the couches for relaxation and to target my next encounter.

After a bit with no girls comming over, not mentioning the asias, I was encountered by a girl from Bulgaria, she was very nice looking and I guess she was sexy, we asked "Are you Game? ", that was a turn off, cause she didn't even take the time to sell her self to me but I felt it will be very mechanical, and she left.

I wouldn't go that either. No problem. I rarely accept girls approaching me. I decide who to approach for the most part.

Why not mention the Asias. Some of the Thai girls are like GFs to me (not all - one doesn't talk to me at all). Some will sit with me even if they know I am not available for a session.



After 15 min I spotted a stunning girl, and I realy wanted her to come over. She did after like another 15 min, I was still tired but I wanted her to sit with me cause I felt that her body can easly get me up and going for round two. We talked for like one min, and she said are you relaing I said that I was waiting for her to sit for a min before going in a room, she left. That was very wierd. I dint even complete my sentance. As a stunner she was I went to her in about 10min and told her lets go and she said that she was relaxting, fuck that.

Some of the stunners can be processors. Some don't like to waste time sitting with a guy that is not showing readiness to go. In the end the chemistry wasn't working and she didn't like you most likely. I have met girls more interested in smoking and gossiping with friends than to go with me. Too bad. I can find someone else.



Another girl, came over to me from Ukrain, very sexy. We talked and went to room, started right away with very little kissing and then as it started to get where I wanted it, she took out a wet tissue and cleaned my dick with it before going into a BBBJ, I understand that she is being carefull but that gave me a kind of a bad feeling. Anyways, she was very sexy as I said before. The action itself I would rate as 7 since she was in a hurry to get it over with and go for the next customer. I paid her and Left since it was 7 and I had dinner appointment.

Many guys don't know how to wash themselves properly. So just put up with her wiping your dick. No big deal.



Total experiance not bad, but defenetly no what I have expected from reading the forum.

I am comparing it with my experiance in the Swiss-FKK near Zurich. Check my report in Zurich Forum last November.

I will not go to the Palace again.

By letting girls come to you mostly, you probably got some of the least good girls. You should have spent a lot more time to watch the way girls behave and whether guys were charging to the girls to get a booking with them.
Coming to Palace as a new comer on a tight schedule without any recommendations is tough.

My first day at the Palace was reasonably successful, but I spent the whole day there. Not every session was great. I did not know about the forum at that time.

This guy appeared to expect everything surved up perfectly on a plate with no real effort on his part to find the right girls and develop chemistry with them. Too rushed for time.

[M P Lurker]

I disagree, it is 100% a good indicator of a processor. Obviously one has to use common sense, a young eager guy will get off quick but she should still not rush him out of the room. Manners and all that. If its an older guy, he will not be as quick and if she does three 10 minute sessions in a row then you have a pretty good indication.

Again, I do not nescessarily agree. Some guys like doing long sessions, not always with a girl you would like. When a girl is offered a lot of cash, its a different kettle of ballgames.

First lets say that Linda is a smart business woman doesn't waste huge amounts of time unnecessarily. She can get customers quickly so doesn't need to spend lots of time to convince a customer.

I thought Linda might be a processor after coming out of sessions at 15 mins. I stress the word "might". But eventually I tried her and found that she never rushed and more than happy to go as long as I wanted. Its just her skill finished many guys off very quickly and they probably didn't bother to hang around the room. Linda is not a clock watcher. She hasn't charged me for slightly overtime either. She is very very good and very fair.
NOT a girl to be missed!
So a short time it is definitely NOT a 100% indicator. We can never be so sure we know everything!
I have seen plenty of my other favourites exit a room after a short time too and I am surprised. But I must assume they were so hot the guy just couldn't last and shot his load quick. Never happens to me as I spend time with warm up activities like kissing and DATY.

And of course long sessions are good indicators that guys are having a great time or are slow (like me) but at least having a good time. I would certainly stop before 30 mins if session was sub-standard. O.K. some rich guys take a long session just to hang and chat with pretty girls, but that is rarer. So have to agree with E.L. here too.

Believe me folks, I think Ekliges Lauern has an intellegent approach to getting the best out of an FKK that we can learn from. I am impressed by his advice for getting the highest probability of ideal girl selection. I haven't been a Kino dweller myself, but am willing to give it a try. I'll just have to try to avoid some of the uglier porn on the screen.

[Breadman]

I think some people just do not want the hassle or the stress of dealing with the processors and upsellers. If you do not want this - probably best avoid this club - especially at Messe time. There are two on during the period 1-4 April: Musikmesse and Prolight and Sound Messe. Maybe best to avoid this time if in the Hesse clubs - NRW may be a better choice at this time. I guess World will not be over-run like Palace and Oase will be at this time.
A messe starts on wednesday April the 1st. Anyone ever notice how far in advance of a messe the clubs start to get busy? Im assuming if it starts wednesday, many of the guys will arrive the day before and crowd into Palace and Oase. When are the clubs busy (nighttime?) and do more girls show up when a messe is in town?

Ive got Sunday, Monday and Tuesday open to visit Oase and Palace...thinking Palace might have more talent and less Messe visitors on Monday. Any ideas/suggestions?

[M P Lurker]

Some of the ladies behavior, as described here, boarders on rude. Perhaps it was because it was just such a busy night and they were tired?
How do you know? Were you there to see it?
Sometimes it would be nice to catch the girls view of the events too.

Of course there always be some girls not in the friendliest mood. Some of the guys don't can be rude too, even me at times, if some one pesters me too much. Other times when I can't be bothered, "Pause" might be forming on my lips even as the girl approaches, if I don't like her.

Please do not expect uniformity. Girls vary tremendously.
YMMV a lot.

A lot of great girls have been named and described on this forum. Not as many as I would like though, as there are still some lookers whose names I do not even know yet.

[Breadman]

Some of the ladies behavior, as described here, boarders on rude.

Its not the easiest job out there....walking around naked and at a moments notice having to let any guy fuck you. Lots of stress, lots of guys grabbing and feeling without going to a room. Cheaper than a stripclub and you can grab away without the girls saying too much. You hear that alot at the clubs that offer free beer, guys will show up in groups not to go to the rooms with the girls, but to drink with their buddies and mess with the girls on occasion.

But that's not saying some of the girls aren't rude...some will keep on coming over and messing with you, waking you up just because they can. Its a hassle at times, but its all part of the game. You have to put up with it in the larger clubs to find the gems that are working there.

[Vito Corleone]

After 15 min I spotted a stunning girl, and I realy wanted her to come over. She did after like another 15 min, I was still tired but I wanted her to sit with me cause I felt that her body can easly get me up and going for round two. We talked for like one min, and she said are you relaing I said that I was waiting for her to sit for a min before going in a room, she left. That was very wierd. I dint even complete my sentance. As a stunner she was I went to her in about 10min and told her lets go and she said that she was relaxting, fuck that.

LOL! ROTF! What was her name. Sounds like an interesting girl.

[James Bond 007]

It seems like a useful link to check the Messe schedule. I only see 2 events listed in April and one each in May and June. Is this a complete schedule or is the schedule not up to date?

How close is Palace from the Messe location?


I understand that a messe occurring in Frankfurt can be a blessing and a curse: more women, more men.

To check out the situation I found site: http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en.html which does not indicate any events or congresses during the period of my visit, April 21 - 30.

Can anyone advise of other sites I should check?

[Myrmidon]

How do you know? Were you there to see it?

Sometimes it would be nice to catch the girls view of the events too.Exactly. I was not calling them rude, I was just thinking that perhaps there was a reason for the short exchanges. Of course, unless I was there, it is only speculation. My apologies.

But what about the girls? I understand it is an unwritten rule NOT to discuss this board with the ladies. Why?

Over here, the ladies are an intricate part of a board. They are able to come on and defend themselves, when/where necessary. There is usually two sides to every story. They can also learn from the posts. I just think that our board is a better place for having them and the ladies/guys are also better off for it. However, when in Europe, I will do as you do, and not mention it to them.

[Breadman]

Over here, the ladies are an intricate part of a board. They are able to come on and defend themselves, when/where necessary. There is usually two sides to every story. They can also learn from the posts. I just think that our board is a better place for having them and the ladies/guys are also better off for it. However, when in Europe, I will do as you do, and not mention it to them.

My opinion is they drag down the review boards that they are on. Most of the ladies are independent and need good reviews to keep the guys calling. Independents are by nature the older escorts who left the agency to work for themselves. Overpriced and in most cases 'not what they used to look like' as a teen. The usual reaction to a negative review is other senior posters and the escort in question (and all her indy friends) to jump on the bandwagon and trash the reviewer. Learn from the posts? Get serious. Only thing they want to learn from posts is that their pocketbooks will continue to be filled by saps who don't know any better.

But before you respond, answer this question...what is the 3 lowest priced escort agency's on your review board? Take those 3 agency's hourly rates...and make me a list of all the ladies on your review board that charge the same amount or lower than these agency's. I bet you can't list more than 2.

[Mike De H]

But what about the girls? I understand it is an unwritten rule NOT to discuss this board with the ladies. Why?


This has been discussed many times, and most will tell you, that if you do mention a board (like this or the other main FKK English board) then you will not get a favourable reaction.

The Girls do not like the boards, do not like Internet Posters, and you will endanger your chances of getting a good session as you will be viewed with suspicion at worst and at best you will be regarded as a geek and a jerk.

If you do not believe it, try it yourself next time you walk into a club. Certain people in the past have got into all sorts of trouble by posting things, having a girl read it, then next time she sees him..... bang!

[Myrmidon]

My opinion is they drag down the review boards that they are on. Most of the ladies are independent and need good reviews to keep the guys calling. Independents are by nature the older escorts who left the agency to work for themselves. Overpriced and in most cases 'not what they used to look like' as a teen. The usual reaction to a negative review is other senior posters and the escort in question (and all her indy friends) to jump on the bandwagon and trash the reviewer. Learn from the posts? Get serious. Only thing they want to learn from posts is that their pocketbooks will continue to be filled by saps who don't know any better.

But before you respond, answer this question...what is the 3 lowest priced escort agency's on your review board? Take those 3 agency's hourly rates...and make me a list of all the ladies on your review board that charge the same amount or lower than these agency's. I bet you can't list more than 2.
This has been discussed many times, and most will tell you, that if you do mention a board (like this or the other main FKK English board) then you will not get a favourable reaction.

The Girls do not like the boards, do not like Internet Posters, and you will endanger your chances of getting a good session as you will be viewed with suspicion at worst and at best you will be regarded as a geek and a jerk.

If you do not believe it, try it yourself next time you walk into a club. Certain people in the past have got into all sorts of trouble by posting things, having a girl read it, then next time she sees him..... bang!Okay, Okay, I get the point.

Sorry I brought it up.

It was just an opinion/question.

[Iseeu]

It seems like a useful link to check the Messe schedule. I only see 2 events listed in April and one each in May and June. Is this a complete schedule or is the schedule not up to date?

How close is Palace from the Messe location?
This is the full list until June. The good news is that none of the events listed are major trade shows which attract large numbers of visitors and would impact on attendance at Palace or the other Hessen clubs.

The Frankfurt Messe grounds are a 5 minute taxi ride, or a 15 minute walk from Palace, so yes it is very close by, which is why when there's a large Messe in town, Palace can get very crowded, and transactional.

[M P Lurker]

This is the full list until June. The good news is that none of the events listed are major trade shows which attract large numbers of visitors and would impact on attendance at Palace or the other Hessen clubs.

The Frankfurt Messe grounds are a 5 minute taxi ride, or a 15 minute walk from Palace, so yes it is very close by, which is why when there's a large Messe in town, Palace can get very crowded, and transactional.
I believe Messe is a great time to get to the Palace, as hopefully more girls to choose from. The trick is to arrive reasonably early before most of the guys show up.
Then when it gets too busy like at 11PM or midnight, its time to leave. Last Thursday was perfect example.
I arrived 5PM and a lot of girls available and arriving. Not many guys yet. Several girls indicated that they turned up due to Messe event being on including Daniella form Romania, as an example.

Of course I am biased. My regulars are not going to get transactional with me. They are just happy to be busy rather than bored.

[Ekliges Lauern]

I haven't been a Kino dweller myself, but am willing to give it a try. I'll just have to try to avoid some of the uglier porn on the screen.

One of the pitfalls of being a Kino dweller is most places never change the DVD. If you spend five or six hours in the Kino over the course of several days, the porn repetition gets real old real fast.

This is one place where Palace excels in that they mix up the porn. Although ocassionally they play some really weird porn (think rubber suits, or drunken Czech girls gone wild with male strippers).

Yeah, I've spent too much time in the Kino.

[Breadman]

One of the pitfalls of being a Kino dweller is most places never change the DVD. If you spend five or six hours in the Kino over the course of several days, the porn repetition gets real old real fast.


Is there laws the clubs have to follow where they have to show that they purchased the porn that they are showing? Some of the porn is so old, it looks like it was shot in the 80's.

Another problem with clubs like Oase and World that have those flatscreens mounted on the walls playing porn...they'll restart the same disc over and over again. Although those flat screens have dvd players in them, those players are ancient compared to the new upconverting dvd players. One dvd disc played in an upconverting player can have up to 6 full length adult movies...this would keep the porn 'fresh'.

[M P Lurker]

One of the pitfalls of being a Kino dweller is most places never change the DVD. If you spend five or six hours in the Kino over the course of several days, the porn repetition gets real old real fast.

This is one place where Palace excels in that they mix up the porn. Although ocassionally they play some really weird porn (think rubber suits, or drunken Czech girls gone wild with male strippers).

Yeah, I've spent too much time in the Kino.Ah yes I liked the party with strippers video, but it was playing in the Smoking room and coming through to the lounge. Was only slightly X rated.

But much better than endless episodes of MTV Paris Hilton show.

If I go in the Kino I probably won't be watching much of the porn at all.

[Breadman]

I'd like to revisit Palace this next trip and need a suggestion on what day to visit the club. I've got sunday, monday and tuesday (29th~31st) available to visit the club. The music messe (and another one possibly) starts on the next day (wednesday the 1st). What would be a good day to visit to get the most girls to choose from?

[Dandriller]

Just had my second Palace experience.

Arrived around 3pm and there were many girls but no one that was more than a 7.
All were wearing varying degrees of lingerie which was not as good as being completely naked in my view.

Initially talked to two Thai girls, the names I have lost, but one was taller with teeth that were a little imperfect (6.5), and the other was more compact with a sweet face and a great butt (7.5).

The taller one approached me and was keen to get started and the compact one was not making any effort to engage anyone.

I told the taller one that I may engage her after I had settled in.

Eventually, with no better prospects to be found, I approached the Thai girls to see which one would be my first encounter.

I could not get past the imperfect teeth of the taller girl so I decided to sit next to the compact girl who was sitting on a sofa near the pool.

She made no effort to entice me to engage her, in fact even though she was friendly, she made no physical contact with me to try to arouse me, unlike her friend.

Eventually though, after some talking, we developed a rapport and we began DFK on the sofa.

This was very nice and she was very gentle and soft.

I eventually took her to a room and resumed the DFK which led to DATY.

She seemed to enjoy this but after I mentioned that I would only be giving her 50 euro, she was very upset, saying she wanted 100.

She said that I was her first room client and that she had sat for 3 hours before I arrived.

She tried to make me think that she had chosen me instead of I had chosen her.
Anyway, she had spoiled the GFE fantasy and she started blowing me but she only put the head in while wanking the shaft.

I told her that I would rather just continue DFK and after a few more minutes we ended the session without cumming.

I gave her 50 euro and that was that, but I really have no idea what she was thinking.

I was very tired as I was jetlagged, but since I hadn't cum yet I decided to look for another candidate.

I settled on the sofa near the bar and was approached by many ladies, and eventually went to the Kino with Sara from Poland (I think) (6.0).

She didn't have a great body, tall skinny and small titties, but I liked her face and that's what I was going to watch as she sucked me so that's what sold me.

The BBBJ was OTT though, very PSE with spitting and not really my cup of tea, but I did eventually get rid of a load.

It was now 5.30pm and although I would like to have stayed longer, my financial limit had been reached and tiredness was overwhelming me so I headed out to take the U-bahn back to my hotel.

I walked out thinking that I may have just had my last session at Palace as I could not imagine wanting to go back after today's experiences.

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[Vito Corleone]

I'd like to revisit Palace this next trip and need a suggestion on what day to visit the club. I've got sunday, monday and tuesday (29th~31st) available to visit the club. The music messe (and another one possibly) starts on the next day (wednesday the 1st). What would be a good day to visit to get the most girls to choose from?
All 3 days are going to have thin lineups compared to Thur, Fri & Sat. I try to find out if my regulars are working then possibly sample the leftovers. Tuesday might be a good day as some girls might think some Messe guests will arrive a day early for some R&R.

[Vito Corleone]

I believe Messe is a great time to get to the Palace, as hopefully more girls to choose from. The trick is to arrive reasonably early before most of the guys show up.
Then when it gets too busy like at 11PM or midnight, its time to leave. Last Thursday was perfect example.
I arrived 5PM and a lot of girls available and arriving. Not many guys yet. Several girls indicated that they turned up due to Messe event being on including Daniella form Romania, as an example.

Of course I am biased. My regulars are not going to get transactional with me. They are just happy to be busy rather than bored.
If you plan to stay until closing, another trick is to pick all the new girls before the crowds & long waits for rooms. Once it gets crowded, I go with my regulars & spend 30 minutes of foreplay while waiting for a room.

[M P Lurker]

If you plan to stay until closing, another trick is to pick all the new girls before the crowds & long waits for rooms. Once it gets crowded, I go with my regulars & spend 30 minutes of foreplay while waiting for a room.
Yes, good advice, I must admit that I confined myself to regulars once it got late.

Actually I usually try a fairly limited number of totally new girls. As my regulars are just too good to ignore.

[Sebastiane]

I just came from an amazing GFE with the goddess that is Natasha at Palace. I've become a regular of hers now and we're sort of friends.-if one can be friends with a person one pays for sex! There is great chemistry between and every session is awesome--however today's was extra-special. Some of the best sensual and sexual pleasure I've experienced for a while and I'm quite an experienced mongerer as well as thrice-married!

I think her real charm.-aside from her looks--is her disarming and friendly personality.

I had gone at 8 pm and found it jam packed with lots of girls I'd not seen before. However as I sat drinking my orange juice I spotted her and decided to ignore the others and only session with her since it is a guaranteed GFE.

So I beckoned her over and the rest was pure bliss.

[Sebastiane]

Hi,

This Palace forum has been literally dead for 4 days!

Where is everyone?