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Euro100

10-15-11, 03:01

For my last adventure on this Germany trip I picked Palace again. I was tempted to go to Sharks again, and Oase was also a possibility. But on my previous visit to Palace I had seen plenty of beauties that I was willing to take a gamble on.

I arrived Around 7 on Wednesday and found out that I hit my second Dessoustag of the week, after finding the same event on the night before at Sharks. I just have to pay more attention to this forum. Oh well, I actually do not really mind too much.

I met a guy named Harry from Croatia in the locker room. He asked me how much a standard session was. I told him E50. He asked is BJ included, and I said yes. Then he asked if the BJ was covered or uncovered. I told him, and he said 'damn, I just paid E100'. That's what happens when you do not read the ISG reports.

Took a shower (again props to the new showers!) and found a seat at the big bar. I got approached by 6 or 7 girls right away, and many of them were the very same ones that did it on my previous visit. None of them recognized me, most asking if it was my first time at Palace. I guess I do not have a really memorable face. Well, OK Claudia remembered me from last week. But since she and I had shagged, that is not too surprising.

One of the girls, who approached was Kim. Kim is 24, which I guessed bang-on. She is one half Ukrainian (which I also guessed from her accent, and which amazed her) , and one half Brazilian (which I would have never guessed). She has a very pretty face with these memorable wide eyes. Since she was wearing a black corset, I was not sure what I would find after she removed it, but I took a chance. And let me say that I was not disappointed. She is certainly not a 'spinner'. But she is curvy in all the right places and not at all fat.

The session with Kim would be the best of the evening. She was up for everything, and it turned into a pretty good GFE session with PSE elements. She really liked DATY. Her BJ was awesome, and doing her doggy was a real treat. All-in-all a great FKK session.

Here is a suggestion: do not use the small valuables lockers across from the bar at the entrance. Instead leave your money in your main locker. Why do I day this? Because you have a great advantage by going back to your locker! You can retrieve exactly the right amount of money and bring it back to the girl, who has to wait at the entrance of the locker room. This would be different, if you left your money in the small lockers, where the girl can stand right next to you when you have your wallet in your hand.

Another suggestion: get a watch with stopwatch function. Both of these suggestions helped me in this case. Kim waited at the entrance to the locker room, and I fetched E50. When I came back with the E50 in hand (but nothing else) , Kim said that we had spent 40 minutes in the room. I just showed her the stopwatch with the 27 minutes that had expired, then stepped into the showers. Discussion over.

After the shower, and with Kim nowhere in sight I went to eat a bite. Pretty decent Rindergulasch with Spätzle and mixed veggies. Then a cup of berries with vanilla sauce. Yum, actually!

The bistro in Palace is excellent, and not just for the food. It has really good lighting; so you can examine the girls. And of course it's easy to strike up a conversation with the girls sitting around you. Katie from Montenegro sat down next to me. As did Katie's German friend and roommate, who claims to be a professional masseuse, too. Sadly, I already forgot her name. I think Katie is stunningly beautiful, a 10 in my book. Her face looks a lot like a younger and sweeter version of Angeline Jolie. And her body absolutely rocks.

One of the kitchen ladies came over to discuss shoes with Katie, and they asked me what I thought of Katie's shoes. This could have been a really nice conversation in any bistro, except for the fact that Katie was wearing nothing but extremely skimpy bra and panties with her high heels. So, I was tremendously horny, as you can imagine. I told Katie that I would really like to book a session with her, and to look me up when it was convenient.

I found a spot at the bar and waited with a drink in my hand. About 5 minutes later Katie showed up, and I happily followed her into a room. No kissing with Katie, not even getting close to her neck was allowed. With the sweetest voice imaginable she tells me that the owners of Palace have informed her that the standard is BJ and fuck, but that kissing is not part of the package. She tells me that if she let guys kiss her, if would ruin her makeup, and then she would have to spend an extra two hours per day fixing that, which would cut down her revenue.

This session would have been an absolutely uninspired and terrible disaster, if it was not for the fact that Katie is so drop-dead gorgeous. But hey, how can I be upset over a session with an absolute stunner for a mere E50? She did a really competent BJ while maintaining eye contact. And we went through three or four different positions before I was forced to surrender. She seemed somewhat surprised that I liked the session and did not put up a fuss at all. I told her that I was just enchanted by her looks, and she told me she would watch me for the rest of the evening.

After I paid her, Katie told me that her blonde German friend does DFK and suggested a threesome, in which she could work my lower end and her friend my upper end. That sounded really good to me, and I asked to do this in about an hour – I needed the dead time to recuperate. Well the threesome did not happen, because three guys booked Katie, her German friend and another blond girl for a group session. And I did not see them for the next two hours.

Since I did not want to stay too long, I finally gave up on sessioning again with Katie and looked around. I picked Anja from Hungary. She and her two friends were walking around for quite some time, but without actually approaching anybody. I liked what I saw in Anja, and one of her friends noticed, suggesting that I should take Anja to a room. OK, here we go. Anja kisses, not exactly with fiery passion, but OK. We went on for quite a while, and after a good (not spectacular!) BJ, she mounted me cowgirl. She probably thought she could make a quick score, but this was not my first session. So we went through a few positions of sport-fucking. After 20 minutes the condom came off, and I told her to try for the FT bonus. We did 69, and this part was turning the session into a disaster. Because, as I licked her, I dislodged something hard of the size of the hole that a hole-punch takes out of a piece of paper. I promise you that nothing destroys the mood quicker than foreign object falling out of a pussy during DATY. The 69 part of this session was over. Anja gamely tried for a few more minutes with a BJ, but then we gave up. I gave her E50 for her efforts, and she did not protest.

Overall not a bad night. Three interesting sessions (not all of them interesting for the right reasons) , a lot of drinks, a very decent meal, and all for a grand total of E225. Not bad at all!

Syzygies

10-15-11, 07:36

I would say it depends on your taste. If you like big busted blonds you're better of in Palace, if you like slim natural brunettes you're better of in Oase. I won't go to Palace again though, because I don't like negotiating about every little thing.I agree. The Palace has a shortage of sleak natural looking beauties, but if you like not so slim, silicone tits, fake-blonde bombshells, the Palace will win. Obviously I think Oase is better these days. Most of my favourites are not blonde and have real tits and highly GFE is standard.

Free Dude

10-15-11, 10:05

Ortos

10-15-11, 17:32

@Euro100 Thanks for your report, it highlights the reasons why I prefer the other clubs. If I read correctly, every girl either tried to scam you or wanted extra for what would be standard in other clubs (which was the same with me last time I visited). Props to you for making sure you knew the exact time and didn't let yourself be taken for a ride (unlike the Croatian guy). In Oase (and other clubs) I've had girls volunteering the information that the first half an hour was coming to an end so I could decide for myself if I wanted to finish or prolong. I don't feel like being at a place where I have to look over my shoulder all the time, for fear of being scammed.Sorry to be rather abrupt, but you are falling into the trap that most people do: namely that ALL girls at Palace are scammers; and that ONLY at Palace will you have girls that try to trick you. In other words: If you think the same thing doesn't happen at any other club (like e. G. Our beloved Oase) then you are deceiving yourself. It does happen at all clubs and if read the reports of (yes even Oase or even Bernd's) over the past six months, say, you will see the same things reported.

At Palace it is true the frequency might indeed be higher, but then Palace, by virtue of its location, does get more non-German speakers (a clear target for sharky girls at any club, whether people want to believe it or not) and reading some of the reports in recent weeks about newbie visitors to Palace, some of these guys are so daft that they might as well have a poster on their backs saying: Ripp me off! Just look at the guy Euro100 met in the locker room. The guy had no clue.

If you gain enough experience you can see these girls, again at any club, from a mile off and fend off their rather transparent attempts to scam.

But the main point is don't be so naive as to think it doesn't happen in any / all clubs, even in Oase. I've seen it there recently, BTW. But not as often as, say, at Palace.

Btw: Great Reports, Euro! This and the one on Sharks are very welcome. Thanks.

O

Bizzie

10-15-11, 18:26

Yesterday I had about 5 hours between flights. I left my carry-on / valuables in a locker in the Lufthansa lounge and took a Taxi over to Palace.

Around 4:30 PM there only about 15 girls max, but only about 7-10 mongers.

As I changed and took a drink, both numbers started to increase.

The quality of girls was not terribly impressive but still excellent. This all depends upon how much you have built it up in your own head and how jaded you become when surrounded by dozen of pussies that you'd otherwise would love to fuck in normal life.

Well, this second thing happens to me frequently. Indecision often sets in because you keep looking for something better. Especially at a place where you have to save your own skin from these sharks.

The ratio of sharks to dolphins at Palace = 1:1.

I got approached by a dozen of them, and I ended up rejecting the one I wanted to fuck because she was just so good looking, (that’s even when I had a hard on) , so she left with a disappointed look on her face.

Her name is Jessica, Hungary. 120lbs. 5'5", Nice skin, beautiful face and eyes and lips, B cup natural, nice ass.

(BTW, there are too many ladies with a Flat ass at Palace! I like the Latina culo / bunda)

I finally went over to Jessica and motioned her. She was more than happy. It was her first session of the night and mine as well.

Nice LFK, little tongue, DATY, No fingers, BBBJ was nice and sloppy.
She did the anal for 100 up sell, which I was more than happy to accept.

Pretty tight asshole, despite lot of lube, we had to work on getting it in.

Anal in 3-4 position including flat from the back which was awesome. Best part of this anal was that it was not just once you are in deep and that's it. I was fucking her tight rim for most of the time with superficial penetration. (Trust me; most pros will not let you do it. They don't want you to pull out and then re-insert.)
I don't know how much she liked it but she was game, although she told me to slow down a couple of time.:)

The only down side, she did not let me take her pictures.
Hung out there for another half hour. Got approached by another 6-7 girls but had to leave to get back to the airport.
Damage: Taxi 30+30, Palace 75, Girl / anal 150. You can decide if it's worth it or not for yourself.

(I rarely ever do the 30-min deal; there is always more time or some extras to enhance the experience. It's all about the experience, not the number of quickie pops).

Euro100

10-16-11, 02:03

Bizzie makes an important observation: "The quality of girls was not terribly impressive but still excellent. This all depends upon how much you have built it up in your own head and how jaded you become when surrounded by dozen of pussies that you'd otherwise would love to fuck in normal life." I have said pretty much the same thing many times when at one of those FKKs in the upper tier. I am sending lots of girls away, who I would absolutely have loved to fuck if they had approached me in a normal setting. Only the fact that there are so many naked other of equal (and perhaps better!) quality around them makes me hesitate.

Every time I get into my WTF-I'll-just-do-this-one mode I have not been disappointed. Here and there my selections may not have been optimized in the sense of outer beauty, but pretty much every time I got a good-to-excellent session out of this attitude.

To the sharks vs. Dolphins (good analogy, Bizze!) discussion below: I did not feel that every girl tried to scam me in my latest visit. Yes, Kim tried to get me to double her wage; so you can chalk that up in the scam attempt category. But I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she really thought that we were at it for more than 30 minutes, because we did have a quite energetic and varied session going. Since she also had spend about 10 to 15 minutes trying to convince me to select her at the bar, her total time investment was certainly above 30 minutes. But the clock only starts once you enter the room. Anja, on the other hand, may have had an argument that I promised her the FT bonus and did not deliver. But I really could not finish after the hardware emerging from her cuchie. The lovely Katie did not do anything wrong in my book. She had never promised kissing, and she delivered on her non-promise. (OK, she also tried to always keep two fingers on the condom while I fucked her. I found that a bit too mood-destroying.) I think I am in love. Sigh. Ahh, just kidding.

Yes, I was previously really scammed at Palace, had appealed to the girls at the front desk, and had not received any backing from them. Happens. But I also had excellent GFE sex with Anissa (germany) , Gülcan (Turkey) , and Chanel (Egypt / Brazil) during my previous visit. No scamming at all, but excellent value for my euros. And I at least had a good optikfick with Janina (Bulgaria). BTW, Chanel seems to have moved to Artemis. I also saw none of the other 3 during my latest visit.

Let's look at this a bit more nuanced: they are not all sharks here, but I would say that there are quite a few waiting to pounce on unsuspecting victims, and perhaps they are at a higher percentage than at other places. But sharks also can be found at Oase and World and everywhere else where there are a huge number of women waiting for you. And speaking of sharks: at Sharks (yes, the club) I met a guy in the locker room when I entered, and he angrily said "I am already E160 in the hole and have not even had my dick in a pussy." Could it be that this guy ran into a couple of namesakes of this place?

Look at the shark issue from the sporting perspective. If you play video games for a while, you get bored playing them at the easiest setting, and you want a bit more difficulty. Why? I think that if one scores every single time with ease, it gets very boring. So you select a more difficult setting, which is more satisfying. Of course you see where I am going with this: the sharks make the game more exciting; and here and there I accept them taking a bite out of me in exchange for the thrill of defeating them. Just a thought.

Free Dude

10-16-11, 11:44

@Ortos and Euro100 Off course there is always a chance of a meeting a shark / scammer in any club, but my experience in Palace (and the one you described a few posts below) was unlike anything I've seen in the other clubs. When I visited there were about 10 girls that I discussed possible sessions with, because I knew this had to be discussed upfront in palace. Of these girls none offered the standard service (kissing, cuddling french both ways bareback and intercourse) for the standard 50, they all either wanted extra for kissing or DATY and one girl even started upselling while naked in the room; not asking for a longer session, but asking 100 euros for 1/2 an hour of 'good' sex as opposed to the 50 euro variant. This means there were 30/40 girls I didn't get this far with, maybe these girls were the honest ones.

I only once had a girl in Oase who wanted extra for kissing, for the rest I've never heard any girl ask extra for the standard package. In NRW this is even more unheard of, some girls might not kiss or do DATY at all, but I've never had them ask for more money (and have never heard of it either).

So (like both of you seem to say as well) it seems to happen a lot more in Palace, which doesn't really set the mood for nice experiences and means that I'll prefer to go to Oase.

When I went to palace I also thought it might help to make clear that I'm not as much of a novice as the girls often assume, but pointing out the differences in service levels with the other clubs didn't get the girls to change their stance on their limited service / higher prices. When I told Krista that I remembered her from Oase and that she had gone up in price quite a bit in a few months (50 only got you fuck and suck) , she just said: 'Palace is different'.

There seems to be difference between how many girls deal with regulars and with first timers though; I read on the Dutch forum that one of the regular Palace visitors overheard the girls talking amongst themselves about which guests were regulars and which weren't. So things might be better if you go more often, I don't think I'll ever find out though.

Hessen Bub

10-16-11, 11:51

It is a fact that there are morr sharks at Palace than at Oase or World. Things got worse over the last years, I have been to Palace dozens and dozens of times, up tp 80 visits a year. Not anymore, I've been to Palace about 5 times in 2011. Why? Because management allows the girls to rip of newbies. To make their own prices. This does attract a certain type of girls, and there's too many of them at Palace. Even after a handfull of complaints they are still there. Why does Palace still have guests? Because it is located in Frankfurt, does have greaz facilities and food, some (less than in better times) regulars and an endless flow of newbies (mostly foreigners) who are willing to pay 100€ or more for a decent session because what they get in their home countries is lower quality or higher price or prostitution is illegal.

HB

JimmyVegas

10-16-11, 11:57

I am in germany now. Looking for girls with very large inner labia. Inner pussy lips. Any names and locations would be great.

Thanks guys!

Jv

Oliver Huntemann

10-16-11, 22:17

My first time at palace was last Friday. Checked in at noon and left late. 1st was seduced at the kino by bruna from brazil. She has a spinner body for her age (late 20s) , but fake boobs. Opted for an hour with her as she was very pretty and good conversationalist. Great session.

I must have been the next in line. I was there Friday and fucked her around 14 o. Clock same day. Great session and a beutiful girl!

I sessioned with a girl in black fishnet, blonde, fake tits the same day but I think here name was Janita? Could it be the same one we're talking about?

Member #4285

10-17-11, 01:30

Hi,

I'll try again. Does anyone know if Karina (blond, big fake, from Estonia) is still around? Or if she moved on to another club. I would like to see her again on my next trip.

Thanks! .

Tony4543

10-17-11, 02:15

I must have been the next in line. I was there Friday and fucked her around 14 o. Clock same day. Great session and a beutiful girl!

I sessioned with a girl in black fishnet, blonde, fake tits the same day but I think here name was Janita? Could it be the same one we're talking about?Yeah I guess you were second in line as I was done before 2pm. She was busy all afternoon and early evening!

As for the fishnet girl, mine was different as she had small natural boobs. She was tall with long legs and perfectly curved ass!

Gglee

10-17-11, 12:22

Assmanbob2

10-17-11, 13:54

I've just noticed that the night I had planned on visiting The Palace co-incides with some events at the Messe. I am wondering how crowded it generally gets and if it's still worth it? Is it less crowded at Oase at these times?

Tommyh80

10-17-11, 21:19

Anyone know if there will be any big conferences in Frankfurt this upcoming Friday and Saturday?

Chicafan

10-17-11, 23:37

Anyone know if there will be any big conferences in Frankfurt this upcoming Friday and Saturday?Check this schedule: http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/en.html

Syzygies

10-18-11, 06:09

This has been reported before but step by step instructions are needed by foreigners:

If you are at airport, you can buy one way ticket direct to Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof. Must buy before boarding train.

Once at Haupbahnhof, go to ticket kiosk. Box on right lower corner will say RMV. Hit it and then punch one way and.

One adult. Cost today was 2. 40 euros. Note, you cannot buy advance tickets. This kiosk is extremely confusing and.

May deter users. If any problems, ask at information at Hauptbahnhof for ticket to Industriehof.

From the Hauptbahnhof go downstairs to tracks 101 and 102. Take any train for two stops to Hauptwache. Important.

To note direction. You can view a map of system in advance:

http://www.rmv.de/linkableblob/en/49388-27836/data/rmv-schnellbahnplan.pdf

Go upstairs and then go back downstairs to the U6 / U7 line towards Heerstraße / Hausen. Again take any train as the two lines split after the stop you want. Get off the train at Industriehof, it is the first stop after you are no longer below ground. If you study the above map, you will see it is the 6th stop but.

Remember it is first stop after emerging from below ground.

The club is at most a five minute walk from the train station. At the end of the platform, walk in direction of train, turn left so that you walk across the

Tracks. Cross the street and turn right. You should now be walking along a tall stone wall. After around 50 feet there will be a break in the stone wall, this isKoenigsberger Strasse. You will come to a round about, look past and you will see the large Palace sign on the left of the street.

You may save enough for almost another round vs round trip taxi from airport.You could make it all just a bit simpler.

From Airport rail station (Flughafen Bahnhof) , you could just buy a day pass (tageskarte) to Frankfurt City. This ticket will cover U Bahn too. Then you have the return trip covered too should you need it, and price won't kill you.

From Airport catch the S8, S9 from platform 1 (Gleiss 1) to Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof (after train goes back underground again) , but do not get off the train there. Continue 2 stops more and get off at Hauptwache (5th stop in total). There change to U6 / U7 line (follow the signs) and catch the train in the direction of Hausen / Heerstrasse as specified before, getting off at Industriehof, yes the 6th stop and its the first stop after train emerges to open air from underground.

DoubleTop

10-18-11, 19:54

This was my second visit to Palace. After a mixed first visit I wasn't in a hurry to go back, but the plan to meet up with some forum guys (which was great) and my memory of a) some hot-looking girls and be) the excellent facilities persuaded me.

First, the line-up: sure, there were fake blondes with fake tits, but there were also many slim, natural girls as well, many in the 21-23 age bracket, and including some of the prettiest girls I've seen anywhere in FKK-land.

The problem is the pricing. I was unable to secure a €50 session that involved kissing. As soon as some kind of extra is involved and the fee has risen to €100 (or more) , then kissing / DATY / GFE also come into the picture. Management confirmed when I asked: €50 buys you a half-hour with BBBJ and sex, that is all that is guaranteed. The girls obviously take this absolutely literally. One girl told me: 99% of girls in the club won't kiss in a €50 euro session. So I don't know whether you are in fact being sharked or ripped off if the girl proposes an upsell, or if in fact this is just the culture / price structure of this particular club (I. E. As with the the entrance fee: higher than elsewhere).

My first session was with Jessica, HU, blonde, great body, who is reported on by Bizzie below. Negotiations concluded with a plan for a €100 half-hour with kissing and CIM. It began with her spraying mouthspray in my mouth. I've never experienced this before and it set the tone. There were constant interruptions caused by her for one reason or another and she freaked out when a solitary droplet of sweat fell onto her upper arm. She also tried to cheat me on time, telling me after 15 minutes that there were only 5 minutes left. I told her this wasn't so and made sure I used the full 30. And at the end she said: "That was exactly half an hour". She was basically very irritating, but it was still nice having her suck me until I came.

My second session (after excellent food then sauna) was very good and redeemed the club for me. Until then my experience this visit and last suggested there were plenty of hot girls, but none would put out for you in the room. Romy, RO. 23, slim, long dark wavy hair, tight body, perfect figure really, very pretty face, fully naked on her heels and, after hellos, beaming a smile as she asks me if I prefer romantic or porno. When a girl this pretty suggests porno my ears definitely prick up. Would she do it though? We agreed on a €100 session with kissing and CIM, and she gave very good value. Great BJ, fabulous 69 (an immaculately prepared pussy, just a joy to behold) , various positions with plenty of kissing, and she took a nice load in her mouth, albeit she nearly threw up afterwards which I enjoyed and she then laughed about too. Then even she tried to sting me for a €10 tip since, when we got to the lockers, the time was 3 minutes over the half-hour. I was not impressed, paid her the 100 and sent her packing.

Once the DJ came on, the atmosphere really picked up, girls dancing everywhere, a great spectacle. Chatted to a number of girls but couldn't find a third plaything who would do what I wanted (one said no outright to kissing, another wanted €150 for a session.). I left with the view that it's not an easy venue, that pre-room negotiation is essential, and that even then (Jessica) you can get ripped off with a bad session, but that there are some really top lookers there that make it worthwhile trying. And though I question the success of the refurbishment (even the bar stools are uncomfortable – I mean, how hard can that be to get right?) , it is also a nice place in which to spend time.

Syzygies

10-19-11, 04:37

The problem is the pricing. I was unable to secure a €50 session that involved kissing. As soon as some kind of extra is involved and the fee has risen to €100 (or more) , then kissing / DATY / GFE also come into the picture. Management confirmed when I asked: €50 buys you a half-hour with BBBJ and sex, that is all that is guaranteed. The girls obviously take this absolutely literally. One girl told me: 99% of girls in the club won't kiss in a €50 euro session.Either a girl can do GFE style or she doesn't! Okay dependent on the customer for sure, but dependent on 50 Euro extra?

I believe that if you pay 50 Euro for kissing, its unlikely that you will get your money's worth. Find a girl that is willing to throw it in for free, or accept that you don't get it. Many will include it if you have longer than 30 min sessions. I don't generally go with girls that don't kiss but have made exceptions (not many) for otherwise fantastic girls. I don't believe the 99% figure. She was exaggerating for sure.

Kissing is normal at Oase with well over 50% of girls I believe. I stay away from non-GFE girls generally.

All my regular girls at Palace were happy to kiss, but that was 2 years ago.

Hessen Bub

10-19-11, 07:59

Kissing is normal at Oase with well over 50% of girls I believe.I've experienced a maximum of 5% non-kissers at Oase. And Palace is the only FKK where the "100€ for GFE" disease is spreading rapidly.

HB

Dreams

10-19-11, 15:20

I've experienced a maximum of 5% non-kissers at Oase. And Palace is the only FKK where the "100€ for GFE" disease is spreading rapidly.

HBIs Mainhattan any better, in terms of better service for the standard 50 E?

Hejasverige

10-19-11, 15:46

I had a fantastic evening.

I love the new interior design and layout of the club. The line-up was very good. Sessioned 3 beautiful girls and all of them gave me a great GFE. 2 CIM. One of them was true porno where I came over her open mouth, lips and tongue. She dribbled and played with my cum and dick and sucked out every drop.

Palace is by far my favorite club and can't wait til next time.

Shark16

10-19-11, 17:24

Kissing is normal at Oase with well over 50% of girls I believe. I stay away from non-GFE girls generally.Everyone (30+) I have bedded at Oase in 2011 haved kissed. Most of them french kiss. Contrary to at Palace I rarely ask a girl upfront at Oase if she kiss. It comes without saying. I see a mix of my old favorites and "the new girls in town". In my 7 years of clubbing at Oase I have NEVER been asked to pay for kissing or for "GFE".

From my 2010 files I find that 90% of the Oase girls kissed, so that makes my most recent overall figures pretty close to HB's.

I rarely tip a girl. My sessions are a mix of 30mnts and 60 mnts sessions (with a few exceptions). Every once in a while I go for a CIM (if the experience is worth it). No other extras.

I consider myself as the "average Joe" (I certainly ain't no Brad Pitt). Obviously I visit Oase a lot more than Palace, I. E. I may have a certain "regular advantage" at Oase that others (first timers) do not have.

At Palace I struggle harder to get the same. Most of my regular girls at Palace do provide kissing (not many left though). But for new girls ... oh man, the selection process is a lot harder. So much bullshit. Power to the guys who enjoy that process. I usually end up using the spa facilities in stead ...

... and pay visit to Elke, of course. Her professional massage is simply excellent. To this middleaged sweet woman I would gladly surrender my inner thighs, ass cheeks, everything ... It's that good!! ;)

DoubleTop

10-19-11, 20:39

Either a girl can do GFE style or she doesn't! Okay dependent on the customer for sure, but dependent on 50 Euro extra?

I believe that if you pay 50 Euro for kissing, its unlikely that you will get your money's worth.My compromise was to go for a session that would cost €100 anywhere else too (30 mins + CIM). Once they knew they were in a €100 situation, the girls were good with kissing / GFE. €50 extra just for kissing would not be good value. But of course 30 mins GFE for €50 would be better.

Syzygies

10-20-11, 06:28

From my 2010 files I find that 90% of the Oase girls kissed, so that makes my most recent overall figures pretty close to HB's.Sorry if I under-exaggerated. I wasn't game to claim 90% since I am aware of a few Romanian sharks, that I don't choose. Certainly all girls I like, kiss except for one. HB maybe be exaggerating a little, based on the girls he chooses.

Shark16

10-20-11, 21:19

Sorry if I under-exaggerated. I wasn't game to claim 90% since I am aware of a few Romanian sharks, that I don't choose. Certainly all girls I like, kiss except for one. HB maybe be exaggerating a little, based on the girls he chooses.Hehe ... no problem. Note that I was not saying that every girl at Oase in 2011 provide kissing, as my figures are clearly affected by whom I go with. And let's face it, some girls provide substandard kissing, and it is better to let her show you her other games. Apart from that I think my report is as honest to my experiences as I am able to express in English.

My point here was just to say how easy kissing as a service comes at Oase compared to Palace, where the norm now seems to be extra for this or that "or I will turn into a bad mood". LOL. But be sure, nothing is guaranteed at Oase or any other place (except maybe Bernd's), and the success rate will probably vary from person to person. Furthermore, kissing does not guarantee a great session, and you can have a great session without kissing. Still, kissing properly done makes it just a little bit sweeter ...

Oh well, the exact figures for kissing at Oase we will never know, but I would gladly be the fool trying to figure it out ... ;)

Ortos

10-21-11, 04:59

My point here was just to say how easy kissing as a service comes at Oase compared to Palace, where the norm now seems to be extra for this or that "or I will turn into a bad mood". LOL. But be sure, nothing is guaranteed at Oase or any other place (except maybe Bernd's), and the success rate will probably vary from person to person.And there has been, over the past year or two (or more?) a culture that singles Palace out for this kind of abuse, but as some try to point out it does occur in other clubs. Just look at this post from the VV section:

I've only been there once but based on what I have heard, the problems with VV seem to be:

- not knowing the price until you negotiate it.

- in many cases having to pay €100 per hour before extras.

- the Management not being particularly helpful to guests when there are disputes.These points seem to be lifted from a report on Palace, but they are not.

Hessen Bub

10-21-11, 20:43

It's not about the not kissing, it's about the 50€ upsell.

HB

Tommyh80

10-22-11, 00:20

Last night, fridag oct 21 I stayed at Palace for the first time. It was very easy to go there by the you-bahn 4 from hauptbahnhof and then 6/7 from Bockenheimer Warte to Industriehof.

When I arrived at Palace around 6. 30 pm, I was kind of disappointed by the lineup. Took my time, and I ended up with a total of 5 girls. Some who gave me a good time, and one of the girls even scared the shit out of me.

First girl was Mandy from Praha. Blonde girl, a little bit chubby, but her face was beautiful and she seemed like a nice girl. In the room she did an average BJ without deepthroat. Her pussy was nice and wet and very tight.

Second girl was Isabella from Barcelona. 23 o4 24 years old. Very small and thin girl, and that was the main reason for me to choose her. She had good BJ-skills, but only let me fuck her form one position. Ended the session with CIM.

Third girl was Loana from Hungary. 26 years old girl. Tall, blonde hair and probably the most beautiful and sexy girl in Palace last night. It was like fucking a real pornstar. Ended with CIM.

The next girl was Chanel from Turkey (but she didn't look like a girl from Turkey.) Blonde, small girl. She gave me the lousiest BJ ever. And when I fucked her from behind I noticed something that scared the shit out of me. Her pussy has two holes. I could actually see my dick inside her from a whole beside her asshole.

I couldn't cum, so I faked it. And she noticed I faked it LOL.

I couldn't go back to the hotel without cumming, so I chose a small girl from China; Tan. Her session was ok, and she sucked the last drop out of me.

Total damage: around 500 euro. Tomorrow I have a plan to visit Oase.

Hessen Bub

10-22-11, 09:35

Yesterday line-up was quite good:

Alice, Romania.

Adina, Romania.

Anisa, Lib.

Cheyenne, Germany.

Cindy, Poland.

Christina, Romania (ex World)

Denisa, Romania.

Emanuelle, Albania (ex Oase)

Ewa, Poland.

Georgina, Romania.

Gina, Czech Republic.

Janita, Bulgaria.

Joy, Germany.

Julia, Spain.

Kelly, Senegal.

Maya, Spain.

Natalia, Poland.

Nicoletta, Romania.

Olympia, Romania.

Ramona, Romania.

Roxanna, Slowenia.

Roxanna, Romania.

Saskia, Germany.

Tan, Thailand (?)

And lots and lots more.

HB

Tommyh80

10-22-11, 11:43

Read my report below, anyone know what happened to her? She scared the shit out of me

DoubleTop

10-22-11, 16:45

Yesterday line-up was quite good:.

HBNice list HB. Any news on the service on offer? Good, bad, ugly?

Nille Copenhagen

10-23-11, 15:56

The next girl was Chanel from Turkey (but she didn't look like a girl from Turkey.) Blonde, small girl. She gave me the lousiest BJ ever. And when I fucked her from behind I noticed something that scared the shit out of me. Her pussy has two holes. I could actually see my dick inside her from a whole beside her asshole.Were you drunk? How can her pussy has two holes? Maybe she was a dude that got a pussy operation. LOL.

Jymondor

10-23-11, 17:07

I realize that information received from the working girl cannot be considered as proper. But what was heard cannot be unheard. I spoke in VV to one Romanian girl about different clubs. She listened with the interest looking for information that can be useful to her. When we spoke about Palace she said that she heard the rumors that Palace management avoids to hire new Romanian girls. It seems like they looking for the talents from other countries. They do not fire Romanians who already work there, just do not hire new ones.

Can anybody comment this?

Hessen Bub

10-23-11, 17:42

@Jymondor: It is true that Palace is trying to keep a certain level of diversity in nationalities. So they did not take too many new Romanians. But. Julia (Spain) who I booked this week has been there for 3 months and does come from. Surprise surprixse. Romania. At least I saw her talk to other Romanian girls.

@DoubleTop: Did rely on girls I know for years so there were no surprises in service provided. Julia (Spain) was new on my list, yi had a very relaxed BBBJ with CIM and she passionately licked my asshole. 100€ for 30min.

HB

Jymondor

10-23-11, 20:13

I was planning to pay a visit to Palace this coming Thursday. Tried to book a room at IBIS Frankfurt West for Oct. 26-27th. Nothing available! Ibis Offenbach (Mainhatten) not available either. My search shows that entire Frankfurt booked except ridiculously expensive rooms.

I caught one of two last available rooms at Hotel Contel Darmstadt. So my destination changed from Palace to Sharks.

Who knows what happening in Frankfurt that week? Why all hotels are fully booked?

Shark16

10-23-11, 20:20

Just another Messe. See http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/de/besucher/news/messetermine_2011.html (change language bottom right if you do not speak German).

Jymondor

10-23-11, 20:32

Just another Messe. See.

http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/de/besucher/news/messetermine_2011.html

(change language bottom right if you do not speak German).Thanks. I downloaded it. It seems that any monger must have this calendar. What clubs usually affected by these Messes BTW? Palace for sure. Mainhatten? Oase? Sharks?

Are there any Messes that affect Dusseldorf?

Henio

10-23-11, 20:37

Just another Messe. See.

http://www.messefrankfurt.com/frankfurt/de/besucher/news/messetermine_2011.html

(change language bottom right if you do not speak German).Note though these are what would be considered minor conventions so not all hotels up the prices so much. F. Ex. One can get number of 3* hotels in Frankfurt in the 50€ range during next week.

Jymondor

10-23-11, 20:50

Shark16

10-23-11, 20:53

Thanks. I downloaded it. It seems that any monger must have this calendar. What clubs usually affected by these Messes BTW? Palace for sure. Mainhatten? Oase? Sharks?

Are there any Messes that affect Dusseldorf?The closer to the Frankfurt Messe they are, the more affected. Palace mostly, but Oase also. World normally not affected at all (Plan B, baby!). Can't speak for the other clubs (or Düsseldorf) , but would assume the geography dimension apply.

As Henio points out, the various conventions affect the clubs (and hotels) differently. I am still trying to figure it out, so any reports during conventions are always welcome.

BTW, both Palace and Oase were surprisingly "normal" during IAA in September according to my observations. More crowded than on a traditional Saturday night, but not like the crowds one could see during Automekanika a year ago. One could actually see GIRLS in the meeting area after 10 pm (yeah!), which is not alwyas the case during the big conventions.

Hessen Bub

10-23-11, 21:03

IAA was relatively quiet on some days at Oase and Palace. But it was also as crowded as expected at the same level as during Automechanica. Sharks, World do not get affected by FFM Messe. D'dorf does not get affected by FFM Messe, but by Messe at D'dorf or maybe Cologne or Essen.

HB

Shark16

10-23-11, 21:25

HB,
Thanks for chiming in. One theory is that crowds are larger in the beginning of a big convention than at the end. Is there some truth to that?

Hessen Bub

10-23-11, 21:55

Not this year@Oase during IAA: Was packed at the beginning, then back to normal and getting full towards the end.

HB

Gergiev

10-24-11, 05:06

I noticed something that scared the shit out of me. Her pussy has two holes.

Were you drunk? How can her pussy has two holes?

Did you not notice that you have 2 cocks as well?

Tommyh80

10-24-11, 13:02

Did you not notice that you have 2 cocks as well?Nope. First she didn't want me to fuck her from behind, and I just couldn't understand why. I asked her again, and she started to hide her asshole with her hand, and when I removed her hand I saw it.

I'm sure someone else who have fucked this girl from behind can confirm.

Tommyh80

10-24-11, 13:04

Were you drunk? How can her pussy has two holes? Maybe she was a dude that got a pussy operation. LOL.Nope, I wasn't drunk. Just go to Palace and see for yourself. Her name is Chanel, small girl with blonde hair.

Qubei

10-24-11, 16:35

Nille Copenhagen

10-24-11, 17:35

Have also heard that the quota for Romanians currently is filled at palace.

/QWhat's the quota for RO girls 85%? The competition is tough, but still some girls ask extra for kissing or

Won't provide good service for less than 100€. Just don't get it, maybe too many tourist and the girls think it's easy money.

Jymondor

10-24-11, 17:59

Have also heard that the quota for Romanians currently is filled at palace.

/QQuota for Romanians? LOL! All clubs must have that.

Qubei

10-24-11, 21:16

What's the quota for RO girls 85% The competition is tough, but still some girls ask extra for kissing or

Won't provide good service for less than 100€. Just don't get it, maybe too many tourist and the girls think it's easy money.I think its more about the club wanting provide a more mixed line-up. But thats just an assumption.

For the record, I'm a huge fan of Romanians (at least at other clubs, long time since I was at palace) =)

/Q

Jake993

10-24-11, 21:19

I spent the afternoon and evening at The Palace. First let me thank everyone who gave great directions via public transport. First let me thank Syzyzgeis for the EXCELLENT direction using public transit. My flight landed at 11:30 AM from the USA and I was walking into The Palace at 12:45 PM. And all for the bargain price of 9. 5 Euros. Don't get me wring, I am not cheap but this was a great value.

Bring a Monday things got off to a slow start to be sure. I found a couple of Russian girls (Irina from Samara and Natasha who's from Southern Russia but originally from Lvov). They in sisted on a 3 way and led me into the kino to watch porn. There were about 5 other guys in there and they both started gobbling my knob for a good 10 minutes before I suggested that we get a room. The were both clearly late 20's and probably early 30's but had been around the block and were superb oral performers. All other positions were "ho hum" but I got off twice between the two of them and kept them for the hour. Honestly I could have bailed after 30 minutes but they seemed chatty so I hung in there for the fill hour. Looking back it was actually a stupid move on my part as I live in Moscow so what the hell do I need with Russian girls in Frankfurt?

After a long steam and a snack I hooked up with a Colombian girl named Theresa. Yikes! That was a nice package. Took her for the full hour and got about 75 minutes of good quality GFE. Again, excellent oral, numerous positions including the most fun Reverse CG I have had in years.

Later I got together with Angelina a VERY tight 24 year old from Egypt. Never been with an Egyptian girl before but she was a very good performer. Insisted that I go for anal with her because she had a tight anus. It was excellent.

Arrived at 12:45.

Departed 20:00

Damage 450 Euro plus entry and train.

Not a bad day at all.

DoubleTop

10-24-11, 21:33

@DoubleTop: Did rely on girls I know for years so there were no surprises in service provided. Julia (Spain) was new on my list, yi had a very relaxed BBBJ with CIM and she passionately licked my asshole. 100€ for 30min.HBThanks HB. Just wondering if you were able to find the seemingly rare €50-GFE-at-Palace session. But Julia sounds decent value too.

Jake993

10-25-11, 08:34

I hooked up with a Colombian girl named Theresa. Yikes! That was a nice package. .Correction. Her name was actually Andrea. I don't know HOW I came up with Theresa.

Hessen Bub

10-25-11, 08:40

Thanks HB. Just wondering if you were able to find the seemingly rare €50-GFE-at-Palace session. But Julia sounds decent value too.Roxanna (Romania, sister of Daniela) is also back to Palace. She is (for me, I've known her since her first day years ago) a great 50 EUR session.

HB

Angus Magee

10-25-11, 09:25

Two pussies on one girl? This could explain the reports of recent trends for charging double at Palace. ;)

Ortos

10-25-11, 13:23

Two pussies on one girl? This could explain the reports of recent trends for charging double at Palace. ;)No, no, not at all: You see you can do a 3some and avoid paying an additional girl fee!

Linga

10-25-11, 14:31

It could be true. On a very recent FKK voyage, almost 80% of the girls encountered at Club Globe and Oase were Romanians but surprisingly not at Palace. I visited Palace after a long time and was very pleased with the change in decor and the attitude of the girls, I had given up on Palace after experiencing numerous bad sessions. Because the girls I was with at Club Globe and Oase were mostly Romanians, I was glad to see some good looking Polish, German and Brazilian girls at Palace. But be careful of Jessica (tall and big tits), shitty attitude. I probably could have salvaged the situation with her but was too damn lazy and didn't want to put up with her drama.

I realize that information received from the working girl cannot be considered as proper. But what was heard cannot be unheard. I spoke in VV to one Romanian girl about different clubs. She listened with the interest looking for information that can be useful to her. When we spoke about Palace she said that she heard the rumors that Palace management avoids to hire new Romanian girls. It seems like they looking for the talents from other countries. They do not fire Romanians who already work there, just do not hire new ones.

Can anybody comment this?

DoubleTop

10-25-11, 21:47

Roxanna (Romania, sister of Daniela) is also back to Palace. She is (for me, I've known her since her first day years ago) a great 50 EUR session.HBGood to know, thanks HB. Roxanna was there on my last visit. Brunette, nice rack, hangs out with Anja? We talked but didn't session. One to bear in mind for next time.

Gergiev

10-26-11, 03:18

Just go to Palace and see for yourself. Her name is Chanel, small girl with blonde hair.

Two pussies on one girl? This could explain the reports of recent trends for charging double at Palace.

No, no, not at all: You see you can do a 3some and avoid paying an additional girl fee!Maybe this is why the old Chanel slogan was "Share The Fantasy"... :)

Hessen Bub

10-26-11, 13:49

Good to know, thanks HB. Roxanna was there on my last visit. Brunette, nice rack, hangs out with Anja? We talked but didn't session. One to bear in mind for next time.There's 2 or 3 Roxannas:

Rita / Roxanna, Lithuania, formerly Oase.

Roxanna, Romania (black hair, slim)

Roxanna from Slovakia or so.

I am referring to the Romanian Roxanna.

HB

Sucker17

10-26-11, 22:43

Nille Copenhagen

10-26-11, 23:46

Hi Guys,

I'm a real newbie to FKK and just want to get your suggestions to what to do. First of all, I have never been to an FKK club before. I will however visit Artemis in Berlin in the beginning of November. But I'll be on a trip to Frankfurt mid-November as well and I'll stay at the Ibis City West hotel which is close to Palace as I've understood. As this will be my first visit to Frankfurt, what would be recommandable: to visit only Palace for Friday and Saturday night (which is available) or try a visit to Oase or Mainhattan as well? I promise a report!Artemis is a good choice to start your FKK career, pretty safe environment and the girls are less 'sharky' than Palace (with a few exceptions). You'll see the differences and learn from your mistakes. Good luck and try not to be too overwhelming by all the naked ladies.

My choice would be a combo Fri Palace and Sat Oase. This would blow your dick and mind for sometimes.

SinjinSwift

10-27-11, 09:11

The Palace.

So I was in Europe on business, and I decided to stay the weekend in Frankfurt, to see what the FKK experience was like. I did a lot of research, primarily in these forums, and tried to pick a place that would maximize my time and available cash. There were all sorts of choices:

Oase, Palace, Mainhatten, Sudfass.

In the end, it was the forum feedback about the quality of the women at the Palace that swung my decision, though it is also very conveniently located for public transit, whereas Oase is not.

So I planned my outing to the Palace. I left my hotel near the Hauptmache around 11:30, and took one of the U trains out towards Palace. It only took about 30 minutes to get out there, very easy to find. I went in the club and it was not crowded at all, maybe half a dozen guys and probably the same amount of girls present.

When you pay your entrance fee you get a key on a rubber wristband for a small valuables cubby and a locker. I also took this opportunity to use the cash machine inside the club. This was a mistake. The cash machine charges an 8% fee! Do NOT use the cash machine at the club, get money beforehand!

I was given a bathrobe, then went to the lockers and got changed. I browsed around the club and got a drink. I was approached by a blonde Italian girl, probably a 7 or an 8, whom I told I might get together with later. I had wanted to get a feeling for the club and the girls before I ran off and had a session. She gave me the price breakdown for sessions, which are actually posted on the wall of the room. They are 50euro for 30 mins. 100euro for 60 mins. 50 for anal and 50 for CIM.

I was then approached by a Russian girl (sorry, I am bad with names) who wanted to show me the movie theatre. I said ok, but in the back of my mind was the advice from this forum about how you get committed if you fool around too much outside of the rooms. I told her I wasn't interested in a session just yet. She invited me to lay down next to her on one of the bed-type cushions in the theatre. I did, but then she was all over me, and I told her I wasn't interested just then. She was pretty upset, but I was glad I stood my ground. She was pretty bitchy.

So I went back to the bar and hung out, watching more men and women arrive at the club. The bar is at the center of the club, and is a hub of activity. The club facilities are really nice. All around the club are bed-type cushions that you can lounge on, and off the main bar area is an indoor soaking pool area. The pool water is not hot, though it looks like a huge hot tub. It is not, so be prepared if you go in. There is a dry sauna, a smoking lounge, showers and a VIP room off the pool area. Again, everything is very upscale and nicely appointed.

Also off the main bar area is a movie theatre, another smoking lounge and the private rooms. Back by the private rooms are also another shower area, a tv lounge and a steam sauna. This shower area is my favorite, as it is really only a one person (or couple) shower.

Despite the two smoking lounges, I was never bothered by cigarette smoke, which was great. I had been at the club for about 45 minutes. It still wasn't crowded, when a beautiful tall blonde walked into the bar area. She was gorgeous, and said her name was Saskia, or something like that. She's a 33yr old German and without hesitation, I went back with her for my introductory session.

We didn't do any petting out in the open, but I did discuss exactly what I wanted, per the advice on this board. I told her I wanted DFK, BBBJ and DATY. She agreed and we headed back. She prepared the bed. The rooms are nice looking and well appointed. They all seem to have large low beds and the girls just put a fresh sheet on everytime they use it.

We started with a lot of DFK, and then went into 69. She looked so beautiful sucking me, and I loved her pussy. I would say she was probably the second hottest girl I saw all night, and I had a terrific time with her. After a long while of foreplay we got into Mish, where I eventually finished. We chatted for a short while and then I left, very happy and very content.

I took a shower, then went back to the bar area to relax and hang out. Eventually a black girl from Martinique came by and flirted with me. I wasn't really interested but she had a wonderful personality and started massaging my scalp. It felt so good. I told her I was still recovering so she offered me a massage (all the girls do that). Massages, BTW, seem to cost exactly the same as full sex.

In any case I told her maybe later, but she hung around and talked with some other girls who were sitting next to me at the bar. I hung out for a long while with them, just talking. One of the women was a beautiful little colombian. The columbian girl and the girl from Martinique were fiirting heavily with me, the girl from Martinique even stroking my cock as I sitting at the bar. It was interesting to be so sexual out in the open.

Eventually I went for a duo with the two of them, my first duo ever. We went back and had a really passionate session, with DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions, etc. Afterwards they gave me an excellent massage. I enjoyed them immensely.

We then went in the restaurant area and had a late lunch. It was decent! I was shocked. There were various sausages, some pasta, salads, etc.

So I was really tired at this point, so I went out by the pool and relaxed on the seating in that area. I fell half asleep and napped for a while before going in the pool. I thought the pool was a large hot tub (I estimate about 20 people could fit in the pool) but the water was NOT hot. So that was a little shock.

The place had gradually gotten more and more crowded, and now there were tons of people in the club. I was really shocked at how busy it got. Lots of pretty girls and many guys as well. I am typically not too comfortable in crowds, but I was still able to find spots to hang out pretty easily. I was still trying to recover from my earlier sessions. I'm in my 40's so it takes a while for me, especially after already going twice.

Honestly I didn't know if I could go a 3rd time. Funny, in my 20's I could have gone 3 times in an hour. Ah, well, youth is wasted on the young.

A steady stream of women approached me, but I was holding out for a girl that I saw that I was really attracted to. A beautiful spinner with a streamlined body, very Eastern European looking. Unfortunately she was not approaching me, and seemed to be quite popular. I wasn't too upset, as I wanted to recover as much as possible.

It was probably about 7 or 8 pm and I was sitting at the bar when the girl mentioned previously sat down near me. I caught her eye and she motioned me over. We chatted for a short time and she was just so cute. She wanted to take me back, and I agreed. I told her I wanted CIM and she was fine with that.

We went back to the room and I found out her name was Romi (sp?) , a 23 yr old from Romania. We went at it with lots of DFK, I went DATY and she gave me a great BBBJ. She was amazing.

However, I was having a hard time climaxing for the 3rd time. She was an absolute trooper. She just kept at me, grabbing me and sucking me until, finally, I came in her mouth. I couldn't believe it, I was so drained.

I came out, showered, had dinner in the restaurant, which again was very decent. I sat next to a Spanish girl and we had some pleasant conversation over dinner. She was charming and hot, but I had nothing left in the tank. I left shortly afterwards, probably around 9:30pm, and caught the train back to my hotel.

It was an amazing experience. Over 9+ hours I ate, drank and relaxed. I had sex with 4 beautiful women, all of whom were GFE. Final tally was about 475 Euro, including the entrance fee (but not including the stupid ATM charge).

I was completely satisfied, and will definitely go back next time I am in Frankfurt.

Markorn

10-27-11, 14:57

Hello, to you guys!

Your comments were most helpful for my recent research.

Though I was heading to Mainhattan I realized it was far and the concierge suggested I take the 5 minutes taxi ride to Palace.

So ten minutes of travel vs one hour sounded good.

I went last night Wed night during a very busy time in the city with a drug conference in town.

Got there at 7:30 as I decided to eat before.

This was my first time at an FKK.

Welll.

So first thing is that they were charging 75 euro to get in.

I didn't ask if this is a "special" because a conference is in town.

Time to get naked, and look around.

Very nice place!

Lots of places to go and relax if one wants to.

I like the ability towalk aroudn a bit.

So there were TONS of ladies!

They were expected a lot of men from the show but there were very few men.

Odd someone said about the same or less than a regular night.

Some ladies came from other clubs too.

What an incredibly selection from everywhere.

It was very tough to choose.

Some work in pairs which is quite clever.

Well I couldn't resist doing the threeesome thing.

I will agree that there is the constant upsell.

Fuck my ass, cum in my mouth, extra for me to eat my girlfriend.

Clever and annonying so be forwarned about this.

I did negoatiate in advance but couldn't resist the double cum in mouth which sent both ladies gagging and choking for air! LOL very funny as I am a powerful cumer!

BEST OF ALL.

They have this magic ATM / credit card machine so if you are on business you can charge on your card and get cash out.

The name on the receipt is some name that does not look like a fuck palace.

So enjoy!

EdwardMaya

10-27-11, 21:00

Hi,

Great forum and I've been reading 50+ pages in this thread but didn't find the information I was looking for.

From the ones that has visited both Palace and Artemis. Which do you prefer and why?

I'm going to visit a FKK in 2-3 weeks and it will be my second visit to a FKK, I've been to Artemis and it was truly one of the best experiences in my life, and had a really great time with two ladies there, and they're the main reason I want to visit Artemis again.

But when I read different posts in this thread and look at the pictures at the Palace homepage the place / facilites looks REALLY stunning and relaxin, and definitely much bigger and luxurious than Artemis. Is this true? And what I've heard the girls look better at Palace than Artemis (if thats possible.)? But in the recent posts people say there have been a lack of ladies in Palace.

I really need your input guys so I can decide if I'm going to my ladies in Artemis, or test Palace this time.

Thank you!

Sucker17

10-27-11, 22:00

Artemis is a good choice to start your FKK career, pretty safe environment and the girls are less 'sharky' than Palace (with a few exceptions). You'll see the differences and learn from your mistakes. Good luck and try not to be too overwhelming by all the naked ladies.

My choice would be a combo Fri Palace and Sat Oase. This would blow your dick and mind for sometimes.Thanks for your reply NC. I am really looking forward to Artemis next week, and I was also thinking of a combo with Oase and Palace. Is Oase so much better on Saturday? And even though it is probably already commented before, what is the best way to get back to my Ibis hotel City West in the morning after visiting Oase (train, taxi?).

Breadman

10-27-11, 22:32

Thanks for your reply NC. I am really looking forward to Artemis next week, and I was also thinking of a combo with Oase and Palace. Is Oase so much better on Saturday? And even though it is probably already commented before, what is the best way to get back to my Ibis hotel City West in the morning after visiting Oase (train, taxi?).The weather will be much cooler come late November and Saturday is one of their busiest days. Friday you still have the lineup but not as many guys until later in the evening.

Wolf2013

10-29-11, 22:30

Hi All,

Can you anyone advise if girls at Palace are open to perform lesbian (hardcore) action to watch? Has anyone actually experienced this service?

Thanks

Hessen Bub

10-30-11, 11:04

Can you anyone advise if girls at Palace are open to perform lesbian (hardcore) action to watch?Never asked for it. But for cash you'll be able to get what you want. Ask a girl what other girl she likes.

HB

Linga

11-02-11, 18:31

Hi All,

Can you anyone advise if girls at Palace are open to perform lesbian (hardcore) action to watch? Has anyone actually experienced this service?

ThanksYes, you can try Samantha and Jessica. Friend of mine spent 400 Euro (200 each) for watching them in lesbian action (among other things). I didn't ask whether it was worth it after hearing the price tag.

Tchebogg

11-04-11, 16:18

Nille Copenhagen

11-04-11, 16:43

Hey guys. My birthday is coming up next week, and I figured I might treat myself to an FKK. I've been looking around, and the Palace seems nice, especially since I live close to Frankfurt. Palace seems to be easy to access with public transportation (I currently lack a car).

Would you guys however recommend a different one? This would be my first FKK experience, though not a first experience with a "provider".

Thanks!There are clubs that allow free entrance on your B-day.

I can recommend Palace, it is a nice club and the girls are good looking, just bring your cash and you tell the girls to tread you nicely because of your B-day.

Star Oman

11-04-11, 21:18

while the main attraction in palace is the beautiful girls and sexual delights. i found the massage service extremely enjoyable and relaxing. i visited palace on 1 & 2 november from 7 pm to midnight, on both days the place was packed with girls with very few men, probably around 3-1 ratio and every few minutes a girl will stop by and ask you the usual questions (whats your name? where you come from? you want to come to the room? etc). after few juicy sex sessions, i headed to the massage corner which is now in a new location at the far end of the love corridor, booked a one hour massage by nadja, she told me she is a college student and just works there part time. started with oily massage with warmed oil and pressed on each of my back muscles. her smooth but firm fingers really got rid of all muscle aches and the blood was flowing at full speed through my body. the relaxing music in the background really makes you close your eyes and lift your body and soul to an entire new dimension!

second day i repeated the same schedule of few sex sessions followed again by an hour long massage session, this time with a tiny thai masseuse who was excellent at her work, she pulled my neck muscles in such away that i was wishing she never stops. the hour went so fast and soon the session was over and headed to the nearby shower room to wash off the massage oil from my body.

overall, i had good sex sessions and some bad ones mainly by up selling romanian girls, but all my massage sessions were excellent by very professional masseuse.

Tchebogg

11-05-11, 09:58

There are clubs that allow free entrance on your B-day.

I can recommend Palace, it is a nice club and the girls are good looking, just bring your cash and you tell the girls to tread you nicely because of your B-day.Good to hear.

Don't suppose you know which club has the free birthday entrance by any chance?

Nille Copenhagen

11-06-11, 10:56

Good to hear.

Don't suppose you know which club has the free birthday entrance by any chance?Sure, YingYang, Bernds, maybe also Samya (I can't remember)

Hessen Bub

11-06-11, 13:05

Palace does give you free entry on you birthday.

HB

Dandriller

11-12-11, 16:20

Just got back from Palace and had two totally contrasting experiences from two gorgeous women.
I was sitting in the Kino watching some guy get his cock sucked live in front of me while watching porn in the background when DR Alice walks in.
My jaw drops and she doesn't even have to ask and I start sucking her titties and caressing her.
She sucks my dick but wants an extra 50 to let me eat her pussy.
I'm not paying extra to do that so I just enjoy the view while she blows me.
Unfortunately, her performance does not match her looks and doesn't even make eye contact while trying to get me to come as fast as possible.
It just means she has to work harder because it's a turn off when she has attitude and I will last so much longer than if she tried.
Eventually she puts on a rubber and mounts me but is too lazy to that for long so I take over.
Nice and slow though to start with, then I do my best to shoot my load.
I had to clean myself up and as soon as I had finished she is already asking me to cough up the 50 euro.

I walked out near the bar and saw Pum lying with some guy.
I thought he was going to a room with her but not to be.
Eventually she sees me after going to the bar and our eyes and bodies a drawn to each other like magnets.
She is mesmerizing and she is such a GFE.
Off to the room for another magical session with Pum, with whom there is no need to pay to eat her pussy.
She really enjoys it too, and licks my balls and shaft like a lollypop.
After I fuck her and cum, we lay together and she is never in a rush to get out of the room.
She wants to talk even though her English isn't so good, but she makes an effort and really wants to get to know you.
Eventually I say it's time to go, so I give her 50 and bid her farewell till the next time.

Super Cum 500

11-12-11, 19:32

Hessen Bub

11-12-11, 20:31

Alice. She can be a good session, but also bitchy as hell. Know her for years, she's a stunner but has put on some weight over the years. Last time I had her sucking me in the cinema, next to the entrance, kneeling on the floor until I shot my load into her mouth.

HB

Dandriller

11-13-11, 01:52

Last time I had her sucking me in the cinema, next to the entrance, kneeling on the floor until I shot my load into her mouth.

HBI had her in exactly the same location and position.
Only problem was she was too lazy to do the job properly so I was never going to be able to cum in her mouth.

Last time I sessioned with her I enjoyed it much more.
It was during the volcanic airspace closure and we talked and got on well.
She still had limits for 50 euro but at least she wanted to engage.
This time I really felt like I was on her production line.

Mahaba

11-13-11, 02:25

Hey guys. My birthday is coming up next week, and I figured I might treat myself to an FKK. I've been looking around, and the Palace seems nice, especially since I live close to Frankfurt. Palace seems to be easy to access with public transportation (I currently lack a car).

Would you guys however recommend a different one? This would be my first FKK experience, though not a first experience with a "provider".

Thanks!FKK Sharks gives half off the entry on your B-day.

I think I may have called Palace and was told "No B-Day discount".

Call before going.

Dragonrider

11-13-11, 05:15

so, last day of the trip. decide to go to fkk sharks in darmstadt. better late than never, i think i've figured out these train machines. since what you're probably taking to these local towns is not the "real" db trains but s baun trains run by rmv (the frankfurt transport guys). you need to find a ticket machine that has both rmv and db on it to buy an s baun ticket. 14. 90e for a dayticket. took the 11:05 train and took a taxi to sharks (8e gave him a 10). some guy comes out and tell me that the club is closed. some pipe burst. as i watch my taxi drive off, this is not good. the guy says there are taxis at some shopping plazas 500m up the road. guess again. put in darmstadt hbf into my iphone and walked back (with the usual fits and starts. the dot showing your location doesn't move until you've gone about half a block. so some walking, turning around, more walking).

take the train back to frankfurt, where's it now 2:30pm. decide to go to palace rather than mainhatten. only good thing is the train back from darmstadt stopped at hauptwache so i didn't have to transfer. now it's time to fight with the rmv machine. spent 10 minutes looking for industrielhoff in that list of places on the machine. finally figured out, you just put in code 50 for frankfurt city and pay your 2. 40e. the directions to palace are spot on. bunch of girls are in entering in front of me (nobody pretty though). get my robe and key and off we go.

very few guys. about 3 japanese and maybe half a dozen germans. oh yeah. 15 girls. try to look around but i am trapped again. nice german girl who's name i forget. i manage to get away this time and start poking around. kind of dim in there so i had a bit of trouble but figured out the layout (although i didn't find the kino right away).

i stumble across the sauna and poke my head in. i didn't remember they had a sauna master. he filled up the bucket and started doing his thing with water, aromas (menthol or something) , music and waving towels and japanese fans. i was sweating like a pig. loved it. took a shower and continued the tour.

lots of blondes. i was having a cigarette in the smoking room with 11 naked blondes. and most of them were german! lots of girls coming over to introduce themselves but nothing too heavy. trying to pick my first target. there was one girl who's absolutely spectacular. nicest breasts in the place. unfortunately, some regular came in and grabbed her for like 8 hours. oh well, on to plan b. saw a nice set of breasts but some guy takes her. still looking and i see him paying her. i go into the locker and asked him how she was and he said not so good. so cross that one off the list.

unknown name, german. 27 years old, brown hair, b cups.

this was the girl who grabbed me when i came in. very pretty, nice body. we went into the room and she offered me bj / sex / cim for 100e. i've actually never done that before so i said why not. these uncovered blowjobs are so much better than covered, it's not funny. serious skills. she hops on top and she rides me for a bit and then we switch to mish, which has become my favorite position lately. you can see her body and face and watch her breasts jiggle. getting close, so i stop and she takes the condom off and started stroking and sucking. i blow my load into her mouth. it was fantastic. 100e for maybe 25 minutes.

probably 5pm by then. i wander around checking out a potential next victim. couple of possibilities. there's a blonde german milf with an extremely nice set but not the greatest face. however, her friend is young (22-23?) with very nice if not spectacular breasts. definitely girl next door type. there's a pair of polish girls out the smoking room. the dark one is pretty nice if a little too thick for me. it's taking me alot longer than i thought to recover from the 1st session. everytime i go into the kino to try to speed things up, it's useless stuff on the screen. watched a few girls giving guys blowjobs but the lighting is bad in there.

not much to do there between sessions without anyone to talk to. had another sauna, read for about 15 minutes on my phone in the locker room, smoked a lot of cigarettes. i was doing one more circuit before getting girl-next-door and i was accosted by a beautiful blonde who promised me a good session and that she was tight since she hadn't had sex yet today.

alexa, greek. 27 years old, blonde, green eyes, b+ enhanced. piercing in right nipple.

did't notice they were enhanced but what the heck. they sure looked good. we go into a much nicer room and she asks what i wanted. 50e didn't include kissing or daty. however, i could tell this one was going to be the last one of the night / trip so i said 100e for an hour. that includes everything. another one with serious oral skills. i started to be more assertive as to what i wanted. usually they suck from the side with you lying face up on the bed. i love to watch their eyes as they suck, so she changed positions and it was great. what eyes. since we had plenty of time (i was going to make sure i used up the hour which i never had done) , i asked her if she wanted a massage. apparently, i have some skills of my own, since every girl has loved it (of course they don't have to do anything, just lie there). anyway, it loosened her up alot. she turned over and i started massaging her front, which is much more exciting for me. i go down on her and she likes that too (or says she does anyway).

time for sex. i ask for reverse cowgirl and she's pumping away. we switch to mish and i'm loving it. decide to go for something extra. for another 50e, i fuck her breasts (not quite big enough but close). i an on top and it's great and am close but can't quite cum. so we switch so she's on top kind of rubbing my dicks against her breasts. when i cum, i hit her in the face but hey, she's the one with my dick in her hands. pay the girl 150e.

i could have had a contest at that point and offered any girl in the place 500e if she could even get me hard and i wouldn't have had to pay. about 8pm by then, so dinner was served. i just had some spaghetti. too much salt. had another cigarette and didn't one final circuit around.

so, i took 2 showers to (hopefully wash girl smell off of me) and then walked over to the u-bahn station. back to the hotel by 9pm. since it was a block away, tried one set of stairs, just so i can say i did. i was breathing hard by the time i got to the top. 5 floors. 4 rooms / floor. about 6-7 doors open. nothing too exciting. i'm sure if you are willing to do the work, you could find someone for 30e.

overall impressions of palace.

1) smaller than i thought it would be. nice facilities. clean.

2) lineup was good but oase was better. lots of blonde germans, a few poles, moldovians and italians (real italians not romainian italians) , hungarians. i'm sure there were romainians somewhere but i didn't run into any.

3) believe it or not, more sharks at oase than palace. nobody like lucia.

4) kind of an upsell by alexa (bluto would not have been pleased) but it worked into what i wanted (an hour included everything) , so i wasn't put off by it.

5) not enough mirrors in the rooms. didn't see any rooms with mirrors on the ceilings (that was an incredible sight with my 1st twosome yesterday).

6) i would definitely go back.

some of the girls at oase said that the palace management finally clued into all the bad press they were getting and therefore the lack of clients and did some housekeeping. all i know if that i had a good time but i was willing to spend money without question. not sure how it would have been if i was just looking for 30min 50e sessions.

Hessen Bub

11-13-11, 09:30

How much to cum on girls face or in mouth? An extra 50 euros. Therefore 100euro for 30mins?

HOw about cum on boobs? This is free?

For 50 euro session where can you cum? In condom inside her or on boobs?

Cheers.

What about RLD and Oase, also extra 50euros?CIM, CIF, COB are 50€ extra at Palace. For a 50€ session you can come inside her in condom, on yourself, and a towel.

Oase. Same prices, COB might be no extra, talk to the girls.

RLD. Different story. Here you can get 20 min incl. CIM for 20€.

HB

Nille Copenhagen

11-13-11, 15:25

CIM, CIF, COB are 50€ extra at Palace. For a 50€ session you can come inside her in condom, on yourself, and a towel.

Oase. Same prices, COB might be no extra, talk to the girls.

RLD. Different story. Here you can get 20 min incl. CIM for 20€.

HBCum is rich on proteins the girls should give us discount when we come on their skins. LOL.

COB. Easy money for the girls.

Member #4243

11-13-11, 16:21

Super Cum 500

11-13-11, 19:21

CIM, CIF, COB are 50€ extra at Palace. For a 50€ session you can come inside her in condom, on yourself, and a towel.

Oase. Same prices, COB might be no extra, talk to the girls.

RLD. Different story. Here you can get 20 min incl. CIM for 20€.

HBWhoa! 20mins CIM and sex for 20 euros! Or you mean 20+20 40 euros?

Either way this is amazing are these girls only butt ugly ones cause that is amazingly cheap. And this is raute housse? Or something had hte best girls. I mean I can get a hot girl for this price wow.

Nille Copenhagen

11-13-11, 19:35

I know many of the girls are asking 100e for 30mins GFE incl kissing / BBBJ. One bit of info I cannot find is how much are the girls in palace generally asking for 1 hour GFE? Would that be double to 200 or is 150 being widely accepted by the girls. This will seriously help me.

Budget for a new trip. Please note all members this is not the beginning of a barrage of info requests from my side as I came under attack before. Also if anyone is interested I did report on my trips to oase and world during late August. Many thanks mohab.Mohab are you still reconsider your trip to Kiev or are you stopping by FRA.

1H GFE is still 100€.

If they ask extra for kissing is because they sense you are a newbie or they don't fancy kissing you.

We do get GFE for 50€/30min. And 100€/H at Palace, so just pick the right time and the right girl.

Nille

Dreams

11-14-11, 17:21

Mohab are you still reconsider your trip to Kiev or are you stopping by FRA.

1H GFE is still 100€.

If they ask extra for kissing is because they sense you are a newbie or they don't fancy kissing you.

We do get GFE for 50€/30min. And 100€/H at Palace, so just pick the right time and the right girl.

NilleTo each his own strategy, but mine, in FKKs, to get a good kisser, is to lie down in the kino and wait for the visits. Some girls will come, lie down, chat you up etc. But won't kiss. Other wull jump straight at you and start to DFK you before you can actually talk. If you feel good with her, here you go.

This has always worked well for me. No later then last week, at Mainhattan and Sharks.

Nille Copenhagen

11-14-11, 18:01

To each his own strategy, but mine, in FKKs, to get a good kisser, is to lie down in the kino and wait for the visits. Some girls will come, lie down, chat you up etc. But won't kiss. Other wull jump straight at you and start to DFK you before you can actually talk. If you feel good with her, here you go.

This has always worked well for me. No later then last week, at Mainhattan and Sharks.To each his own strategy.

Your approach is passive hunting, that mean you often don't get the most beautiful girls, as they are booked before they can reach the Kino, unless it's a very very slow day. But sure if she DFK and BJ in the Kino, it's good chance for a great session.

Toscana

11-14-11, 20:37

Dreams

11-15-11, 10:09

To each his own strategy.

Your approach is passive hunting, that mean you often don't get the most beautiful girls, as they are booked before they can reach the Kino, unless it's a very very slow day. But sure if she DFK and BJ in the Kino, it's good chance for a great session.You are right that if one wants the mst beautiful Optifucks, one has to actively hunt them. But this is not my priority anymore. Have done many of them in my younger days, and now prefer good service to lousy service by optifuck girls. Yes, you may call it "passive hunting". What I failed to say is that I first walk around, and take mental notes of Who I definitively do not want to do, who I really would like to do, and, by elimination, all the others will be those I may well do. So when approached in the kino, I already know in which category the girl is. My best success with this strategy was at oase. I was recovering and tired, thinking whether I would be able to have another session or not, when a tornado hit me in the kino, jumping at me and DFK as if we were teenagers. Happened to be legendary Judith from Hungary. Had often hoped to do her, but never found a way to recognize her. This was finally one of my best sesssions ever.

Dreams

11-15-11, 10:11

Always appreciate people that think the social psychology through. Will definitely give that a try. (Not at Palace though.)

Good lateral thinking, you might say.I might relocate within FKKs as a psychologist and charge a few bucks for advice.

Zzoggie

11-15-11, 17:59

Hey guys, loads of great reports here! I will be making my virgin trip to a fkk club and was planning a trip to prague & frankfurt to visit the clubs here in December from dec22 to jan 4. Will palace or any other club be worth a visit as I'm afraid most of the hot girls (I prefer the slim type with big tits) would've gone back home or taken off for the holidays. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Meeps77

11-17-11, 06:57

Do you guys know which days these places are closed, both 24th and 25th?

Still Broke

11-17-11, 19:43

friday night was fkk mainhattan (will contribute to the proper thread)

saturday night was fkk palace's turn.

i last visited palace before their renovation. more than a year ago.

i arrived at 6pm. entrance to palace was 75euros.

started the evening with a robe on, but, after spending some time at the bar, switched to towels. it was hot at the bar.

palace has got a better line-up over mainhattan by a mile. more 8's. more 9's and got some 10's. beautiful.

i come to palace and i know what i will be getting, thanks to contributors to threads such as this. thanks for your warnings, suggestions and recommendations.

i come to palace for 'optif*k'. to be visually stimulated.

very beautiful girls at palace. only here can i bed with a gorgeous woman for whatever time i can afford. these girls i will never be able to get close to in the outside real world. i am not in their league. palace is where i can get some of my fantasies fulfilled.

ritual was grab a robe or towel, place your valuables in your designated small locker outside by the front desk. your clothes go to the inside locker with the same number as your key. shower. dry. start your palace buffet.

manuela is hungarian. that night, she had on (real or not, i don't care) diamond earrings and a diamond necklace. that's how i can spot manuela.

i like beautiful girls to approach me instead of me chasing after them in the club.

manuela's english was good. when she smiled, she got me hooked. she has a beautiful face and a wicked smile. i am a face man.

manuela is tall. 5.6-5. 7' about 120lbs, dark hair, shoulder length, i would guess mid 20s in age and she has 34c-35c's, pale white skin.

we were both standing just outside the smokers lounge and right before the steps up to the bar. i liked what i saw, we made eye contact and started chatting. we hit it off right away, natural questions and answers. nothing awkward.

i love her face.

as we chatted, as she flirted with me, she touched my arm. and that was it, i fell for her.

discussed for a 30min / 50e session with dfk and bbbj.

in the room, as i have read in this forum, i was expecting the upsell to start. well, surprise! no upselling. we got right down to business immediately. everything discussed before hand and full time was provided. this one is a keeper folks.

looks: 8.

attitude: 9.

service: 9.

recommended (thumbs up)

i got along with manuela very well. i liked her so much, i told myself she is the one i will have to repeat later on tonight. maybe the one to end my night at palace. i was sure i was not going to get anyone better than manuela.

manuela told me that she comes to palace with her group of friends. i told her i was on the lookout for a blonde who was as friendly and as pretty as she was. she told me she will send over her friend and that i will get along with her friend just as well. the disastrous report will come up shortly.

in between, sauna, dinner at the cafeteria, short time at the tv room and drinks at the bar.

it was at the bar.

the beautiful katie caught my eye. this girl is a 10 in my books. but i will subtract points for her bolt-ons and tattoos.

katie is very tall. 5.8-5. 9', with her high heels on, she towered over me. 115-120lbs shoulder length dark brown hair, she has darker skin tone, maybe tanned. mid 20s in age, bolt-ons are 36cs or ds. she has that model look and swagger. she knows she is good looking. she knows she is being eyed on by every horny men in the club.

katie knew i wanted to spend time with her. she was correct.

katie is a great conversationalist, lots of topic to talk about but she loves to chat about fashion. i was comfortable with her, i think we had good chemistry. i just had to have her for myself, in private.

i was expecting high numbers from katie. but, she agreed to my 30min / 50e session.

you spend time with katie for one thing only and that is visual. optif*k.

very restrictive. no dfk. i knew that already before heading into the room. but, she has such a beautiful face. did i tell you i'm a face man?

very restrictive. no touching. well, no pinching of her nipples. basically, do not get anywhere near her nipples!

you can touch the surrounding area, but not the nipples!

in spite of all that, i had an amazing session. visually stunning.

looks: 10. well, in this case she is a 9. 75, subtracting points for her bolt-ons and tattoos.

attitude: 10.

service: 9. 5.

recommended (thumbs up)

most beautiful face in the club. class all the way. i asked her to marry me even though i know i do not have enough money for her.

dinner time at the cafeteria was a mad house. packed to beyond capacity, guys were eating outside of the cafeteria. good food. good place to have a peek at the other girls.

manuela's friend was able to catch up with me as the night progressed.

she is beautiful. shorter than manuela. blonde. just what i was looking for.

brenda is hungarian as was manuela. short blonde hair. beautiful face (did i tell you i'm a face man?). mid 20s. 5.2-5. 3' in height, maybe 110lbs and flat as but well put together. visually a very pretty girl.

brenda was a disaster. nothing at all like manuela. all business. once we hit the room, the upselling started for more es and more time. restrictive in that no dfk, very short and very light kissing. non sensual at all. no chemistry with her.

bj was short, mostly licks. i did not finish with brenda. i was out of the room in under 20mins. my choice.

i will try not to remember any more of brenda as possible.

looks: 8. 5.

attitude: 5.

service: 5.

not a recommend. stay far far away from brenda. i was very generous with the 5's i handed out for brenda.

i did tell manuela that my session with brenda was not as good as my session with her. i did not give her details. but i did tell manuela that i wanted a repeat with her later in the night. but, my time ran out at the palace and i did not have a second chance with manuela.

i ended my palace night with a repeat with katie.

there were many beautiful faces at palace that saturday night whom i did not get a chance to session with but would love some info on them.

for those who was there last sat and for the regulars who are well acquainted with the regulars at the palace.

who is the stunning blonde with big loopy earrings, hair tied in a bun and has some sort of a dress attire, light blue lingerie type dress on with diamond necklace holding the whole wardrobe up. looks german, tall 5. 6'.115lbs. beautiful face.

this tiny asian girl. no more than 5' tall. maybe mixed asian nationality, pale white skin short black hair. no more than a100lbs. could this be tan i read about? any info?

approached by mandy, pretty face, bulgarian, slim, tall.

amber looks hot. porn star hot. those hair. facially not as pretty close up.

dark hair with flower in her hair left side. red rose i think. she danced on stage. nice big butt. two girls danced, small greek girl whom i was not interested in, but this other bigger girl, danced ethnic dance. she looked nice, pretty. i would say 5. 4-5. 5'.120lbs, a set of cs. may be bulgarian. just curious.

palace has beautiful girls over mainhattan.

palace is a bit too dark for my liking, a bit more brighter lighting would be better for my taste.

palace need to extend dining hours.

the management has got to do something about those darn beds, the outside shell is hard. i bumped and bruised my legs every time i went to the rooms.

for the newbies. one suggestion.

if you see someone you like, it's ok for you to go after them instead of you waiting for them to approach you. we all know what we are there for.

approach them, start chatting. don't wait. you snooze, you loose.

Member #4243

11-18-11, 07:22

A slim body a slightly chunkier build; ; still broke a pretty face kills it for me anytime! Just like you! Anyway a bit of advice all this discussing whats on or off the menu before you enter the room in my opinion kills the mood everytime. It is a complete passion killler.

"still broke" just follow my approach. Don't even interview the girl just find the girl you like and ask her straight away if you can sit by her and talk to her for a short while. If the answer is no move on if you get a yes sit by her and talk to her naturally as if in a bar or.

Club. Tell her you are hoping to session with a beauitful girl. And then do what I always do and tell her the reason you want to spend 15 or 20mins talking to her is to find out if you both have good chemistry and get on with each other. Be nice and joke etc.

This approach has never generally failed me and I always go for the optifuck type real gems I am not in an fkk club to find average looking girls I am there to find stunners!

I had a great time in oase / world in August see reports. I will be back in fkk land March but at the moment cannot decide between frankfurt or artemis. Does anyone know the going rate for 1 hour GFE in palace (I know palace is a special case here and expect the possibility of higher charges) I would assume it would not be 200 but 150? Can someone confirm what the palace stunners are taking in general for 1 hour full dfk / BBBJ? Thanks mohab

Nille Copenhagen

11-18-11, 11:00

I will be back in fkk land March but at the moment cannot decide between frankfurt or artemis. Does anyone know the going rate for 1 hour GFE in palace (I know palace is a special case here and expect the possibility of higher charges) I would assume it would not be 200 but 150? Can someone confirm what the palace stunners are taking in general for 1 hour full dfk / BBBJ? Thanks mohabMohab are you still reconsider your trip to Kiev or are you stopping by FRA.

Why should 1H GFE be 150? It is still 100€.

We do get GFE for 50€/30min. And 100€/H at Palace, so just pick the right time and the right girls.

Still Broke

11-18-11, 16:36

Dangerwank

11-18-11, 21:37

Hi,

I was just wondering for the 9th December the Christmas party does anyone know what they have lined up for that day any special events going on? I have been to artemis before so I'm looking to try the palace so if anyone has any info about the Christmas party this year our even how was lasts years event would be so helpful thanks.

Hessen Bub

11-19-11, 12:40

Whoa! 20mins CIM and sex for 20 euros! Or you mean 20+20 40 euros?No, I mean 20 EUR round trip. And yes, the girls might not be the youngest and prettiest, but there's some gems. You can get DFK, BBBJCIM, Anal and even a complete BB session for 50 EUR with a girl I would rate average at a FKK club. But they are rare.

HB

Super Cum 500

11-20-11, 00:10

No, I mean 20 EUR round trip. And yes, the girls might not be the youngest and prettiest, but there's some gems. You can get DFK, BBBJCIM, Anal and even a complete BB session for 50 EUR with a girl I would rate average at a FKK club. But they are rare.

HBWell tbh I have very high standards. I can easily get an older or average girl without using prostitutes.

I only use prostitutes for beuaty. I. E. I only pay for sex with girls I either would not get IRL or would have to date and pay out far more than 50-200 euros.

However, if I can get a decent looking girl in RLD to suck me off BBBJ and facial for like 50 euros I'd still be happy. I wouldn't even need sex. I happy for a chubby but cute girl for BBBJ and CIM for like 20-40 euros if possible?

As for FKK I will use the best so your talking 50 euros session inc DFk+DATY+BBBJ then 50 euros for facial=100 euro for 30mins?

Sucker17

11-21-11, 19:09

So eventually my dream weekend has ended, and I owe this report to the forum. Here are my experiences from FKK Palace:

I came in late at Friday evening, at around 23:00. The place was crowded with people but not as many as I feared. My first impression is that it was very small and compact compared to Artemis that I had my first virgin visit to only two weeks ago. And the girls were far prettier at Artemis IMHO! Maybe I was not so lucky with the line-up (or the best were busy in rooms) but I had expected better looking / or at least just as beautiful girls as in Artemis. Let me also point out that the girls felt at times very pushy, almost pulling my dick towards the rooms. I visited FKK Oase (see my review in Oase thread) the next day and I can truthfully claim that it was much better and more like Artemis in the way that it was less upselling, and less pushy than in the Palace. I did not eat at the restaurant in the Palace, in which I regret as I was quite hungry when I left and the food is knowned to be good. But then again, I was left with no time to eat:

Alice. 23 year old brunette from Romania:

I started off with this babe that I met in the bar. Actually I was going towards her, not the other way around. She showed me the premises as I was a newbie. I did a 30 min. Session (50 Euro) and CIM (50 Euro). It was not as good session as I had expected, although she was very good at BBBJ in the Cinema. My first sessions are rarely the best, maybe it's the fatigue of travelling, or nervousness? I don't know but I felt it was more a problem from my part. I managed to finish in her mouth anyway, which felt good as I had quite a load spared!

Overall rating: 5/10.

Elisa. 22 years old blonde from Ukraine and Angelina. 24 years old brunette from Egypt:

Ok, this pair are real sharks. They hunted me down in the bar and started rubbing my dick to new hights! I have my feeling that they were both from Ukraine as they were speaking Russian. Angelina claimed that she was egyptian (she looked a bit Cleopatrish) and had learned Russian. They got me so horny and it was first in the room I realised how sharky the actually were. They started immediately with an upsell session that I have never seen before. I decided on them giving me the "naughty" treatment. They started giving me a great double BBBJ which felt extremely good, one on my shaft, the other one on my balls! Rubber was put on my cock and Elisa mounted me, giving me a great cowgirl show, while I was licking Angelinas nice pussy. Elisa layed down and we changed into me licking her pussy. Angelina had pulled out her toy, a vibrator that she lubed up and inserted in my ass! This was a new and quite enjoying experience. Angeline liked to play the dominante part and also managed to whip my ass with whip. I did not see that coming! Change of condom, and I commenced fucking Angelina for a good time, while I looked at Elisa that rubbed her clit towards me. She was reluctant to letting me put my fingers in her pussy though, but that did not matter as I was coming in Angelina doggy style.

Overall rating: 8/10. Would get 9/10, but the constant upsell was more of a turn-off for me. However great performance in bed.

Maya. 28 years old brunette from Andalucia, Spain:

This slightly older chick would not be my first choice normally, but I had to try a different nationality. And this my first experience with a spanish chica. I don't remember so much from the session itself. She is among the first to ask me if I wanted a BBBJ or a covered BJ, but I chose uncovered anyway. She had a mediocre BBBJ and we did several positions, mish and doggy, but I soon started to realise that I would not be able to cum. Still hard-on, but no more juice left. She was sad about that, but she did her best in the room.

Overall rating: 6/10.

That ends my first review of FKK Palace. I ended up sleeping in the cinema with a gorgeus girl from Dominican Republic. She gave up getting me to the room, but was just as tired as myself, so she stayed at my side the rest hour.

Limitless

11-21-11, 23:12

Hi All,

This would be my first time to FKK.

My flights lands Sunday early morning and I have all day before my connecting flight.

I thought to go straight to Palace and be there arround 10:00 AM when they open (I assume thats when they open.).

I prefer visiting when the place is quiet.

Any comments / suggestions regarding visiting early morning? Is Sunday a busy day? When does it starts to get busy during the day?

Many Thanks,

LLL

NicolaiJackov

11-22-11, 04:09

I went to Palace on two nights of my FKK trip.

First Palace visit:

Elyssa. Greek (Athens). Baby fat. Slutty and aggressive, wouldn't let me go. Came buckets in her mouth. Good.

Gina. Czech. Fake tits. Cute, slutty, and aggressively approached me. I came really hard while deep in her mouth and I think she partially swallowed. Best fuck of the night.

Kelly and Eva. Polish girls. Kelly had a giant full back tattoo (dragon + koi). They tried to jerk me off, but hurt my balls. Could NOT finish. Bad attitude. Would avoid.

Madelina and Josephina. Polish girls. Ok session, better attitude than the previous two girls but still not great. Ended up the same way with them jerking me off to completion, but at least I came. It was kk. Not great, but not bad. Might be worth a recommend if you've never had two girls at the same time, but I felt it wasn't really worth it.

Jessica. Hungarian. Sucked desperately to make me cum in her mouth, but I was too exhausted. Great effort though. She gets a thumbs up from me.

Second Palace visit:

Gina. Club was pretty dead when I entered. Only a few girls and all of them ugly. I walked around, waved off a few uglies that approached me, hoping to find someone worth fucking. Ran into Gina and she remembered me. Since she was the best fuck of my previous trip, I decided to go for round 2 with her. We did a full 45 min of nonstop sucking, fucking, and sucking some more before I came in her mouth. Finished out the hour with some nice cuddling, groping, and chatting.

Astri. Bulgarian. Black hair, huge fake boobs. Had a completely torn up turqoise shirt that only covered her shoulders and rainbow colored stockings; made her look like a slutty skater chick from the 80's. Looked really good, but the upselling started as soon as I entered the room. Broke the mood for me and made me take longer, so her loss. Aside from the upselling, her attitude was OK, not great but not bad. On the fence as far as recommending her, guess it depends on whether or not you like her look.

Samantha. German from Stuttgart. Wore glasses, thin, looked super tall with her heels (only about average height without though) , and had several tattoos (including some leopard spots and two claws above her natural breasts). Going into the session, I had rested for almost two hours (time wandering around + getting a massage) but I wasn't sure if I could go anymore. I approached her because I had seen her earlier, and she was so popular that I was afraid of missing my chance. As a consequence, I wasn't fully charged and went soft during missionary. But she resurrected my cock with her excellent oral skills and managed to make me blow my load in 30 minutes! I was very very impressed.

Note / Warning: I strongly recommend AGAINST doing any doubles sessions unless you have never tried two girls at once and really wanted to experience it once in your life. IMHO, the two doubles sessions that I did were complete rip-offs. First, only one girl will actually be on your dick (fucking or sucking) at any given time; the other girl will just stroke your chest / let you suck her tits. Secondly, they will NOT do a lesbian show unless you pay for an extra 50 euro for EACH girl (so the upsell is 100 euros!) ; I did not pay so maybe it would have been good, but the idea of 200 euros for 30 minutes seemed a bit too out there for me, especially since the girls doing it were only 7s.

Paulie9798

11-22-11, 06:14

Hi

I will be in Frankfurt 11/24 to 11/27. Staying at downtown hotel. Is it better to rent a car or take a taxi or go by train to Palace and Oase?

I'm taking into account of cost, convenience, and ease of finding these places.

If anyone on the board is interested in hanging out on these dates, please let me know.

Thanks

Sebastiane

11-23-11, 00:25

Still Broke,

My friend if you are a "face man" then you must have a session with Saskia at Palace. She is.

The most beautiful face you will ever see!

Super Cum 500

11-23-11, 21:46

Still Broke,

My friend if you are a "face man" then you must have a session with Saskia at Palace. She is.

The most beautiful face you will ever see!I'm a huge face man. Various kinda bodies can be arousing but you can't buy a perfect face.

I was tossing up between oase, palace and artmeis. In my pursuit of the most beautiful females. Frankfurt vs Berlin.

Off course there is always options in Spain perhaps someplace else but I don't think so, in Europe at least.

Shukron

11-24-11, 11:13

Jymondor

11-24-11, 16:51

I am going to be there Nov 24. 28 and I am renting a car 25 til 28 it is only 71$ for 3 days.Good luck. After all please let us know how much you REALLY paid for the car including surcharge for winter tires and insurance.

Still Broke

11-24-11, 22:31

Still Broke,

My friend if you are a "face man" then you must have a session with Saskia at Palace. She is.

The most beautiful face you will ever see!Thanks for the suggestion. The only other description is on #6624 on this thread. Saskia is tall blonde German and 33yrs old.

Is there any other description you can toss my way so that I can recognize her and seek out a session with someone with the most beautiful face?

Like, does she normally wear her hair up in a bun? She wear specific jewellry? She wears bow ties? Cuffs? Does she normally work Friday or Saturdays? Day shift? Night Shift?

Those in the know, or those who have contact with Saskia, can you find out if she will be attending the Christmas party?

I will most likely be going to the Christmas party. My mission should I choose to accept it will be to hunt down and have a session with Saskia. I hope sessioning with Saskia will not be Mission Impossible!

I know that beauty is in th eye of the beholder.

Anyone else with other suggestions for this face man? Appreciate the leads and thanks to everyone.

Jmioffe

11-25-11, 19:07

A few weeks ago I spent a few days in Frankfurt, and spent a lot of my free time at Palace. I had a great experience, much better than I did last time. If you look at my past reports, you'll see that I didn't have such a good time the last time I was in town.

The girls were beautiful, such great service and variety. Just amazing. I was with more than a dozen women, different hair colors, different body shapes, different skin colors, different parts of the world. A United Nations of fucking. Even at my best in civilian life, I haven't had such an experience, being with such a wide variety of women in such a short time. The only aspects missing were Indian and Asian girls. At the end of it all, I was in such a mood for variety that I went back to my hotel and beat off to some memories as a palate cleanser. I would happily have fucked instead of jerked off if they had those types.

I've lived my life without addictions, but I'm starting to realize what one might feel like. There were several others on my "list" that I didn't get to. I was tempted to overstay just to do so, but I realize lust and longing is just part of this game. Once I had the ones I'd wanted, I'd certainly find others to want to experience. The desire continues, you just accept it. There are women from strip clubs and other brothels that I visited a decade ago that I still wish I'd had at the time I met them. Alas, you can't repeat the moment. Time goes on, they change, you can never get it back.

People talk about shark behavior here. I saw plenty of it, but I was pretty careful about how I selected. I'm a pretty good judge of character in everyday life, and I interviewed thoroughly. I didn't just go for the optificks. I'm also pretty engaging, and like it when the woman is into it.

I've learned from when I didn't do my homework. A cold, overlubed pussy gets the job done, but it's just not very enjoyable. Hot and naturally wet is much much better.

And women are complex creatures. Sometimes the cash does it, but more often you've not only got to have the skills to perform, but you've got to engage the mind too. I've been told I'm a good fucker in civilian life, but I wondered if it was just that the girls I was with haven't been with a lot of men. It was nice to hear similar things from the professionals, completely unsolicited.

That's not to say that I didn't get with any sharks. I did. But it helped that I went with them willingly and everything was on the table. I asked them straightforward questions, they were clear about what they did and did not do. A few times, I didn't get the full 30 minutes I paid for, but that was ok. I knew what I was getting into, and it just happened that I got off quicker than I expected.

A reportedly infamous duo hit me up. I didn't partake, partly because I'd been warned, and partly because one of them looked like someone I'd been with elsewhere. I'm also a lot stronger in the face of beautiful women than when I was younger and less experienced. The sharks take advantage of that.

I know I still make dumb mistakes when the testosterone is flowing and a beautiful, naked woman is standing in front of me. Luckily, the dumb mistakes I've made lately haven't been in front of people looking to take advantage of me. All in all, a real positive experience.

[To be continued in another post, post will mostly be philosophical]

Jmioffe

11-25-11, 19:13

The most wonderful thing about my FKK experience, and the reason why I'm writing here is that aside from being surrounded by naked, beautiful women, it was absolutely freeing to be in such a sex-positive environment. Palace has a pretty substantial staff, and everyone from the desk girls, to the cleaning ladies, to the spa workers, interacted with me naturally. They didn't carry that sense of shame that I get from other parts of the world, nor did they treat me as sub-human, and a mark to take advantage of.

The same with the working girls. They were generous with what they had to provide; I interacted with them as naturally as I do with my personal trainer, maybe with even more warmth and generosity of time.

So I'm hoping someone here can shed light on this. Why was it so easygoing, or am I just imagining things? Is it the famous European liberal attitude towards sexuality? A day here seemed as much of an issue as a day at the spa.

I can understand why the default is being conservative about sex. It's biology, women's chastity has been a prize for time immemorial around the world. And certainly, FKKs aren't all over Germany, just this one corner of the country. The guys at Palace weren't just from sex-repressed areas of the world, but from other reportedly liberated parts of Western Europe.

And then, the economics were also a riddle for me. 50E for 30 minutes of sex with a beautiful woman is an unbelievable proposition. I can understand why some women from poorer parts of the world might do it, since 50E goes much further in the hinterlands, in Latvia, Romania or the Dominican Republic. But I was also with a few Western European girls, and I could have easily dropped 50E for a meal for two on a date. Maybe there's a bonus even if you're German, if you're from some little farm town?

Still, going to the FKK is not only cheaper than a date, it involves less time, sex is a sure thing, and I can pick who's attractive to me. If FKKs were around the world, they could really upend society, which is another reason why I'm so puzzled that they should exist.

Sure, with entry at 75E, the cost is not quite 50E, but you can amortize that. It's still cheap. Plus, the girls pay an entry fee too.

I didn't get the impression these girls were trafficked, although I'll concede that possibility exists. Instead, they seemed to have come to the FKK of their own free will, thinking this to be the best way to make money.

Indeed, I've had paid sex with women in the United States who were doing it for the money, and I've seen how this has turned out to be a good choice for them as I've kept in touch after they retired. They've put the money into real estate investments, schooling, or businesses after they stopped selling their bodies.

But at 50E a pop in the FKKs, that requires seeing a lot of men. The women I saw in the USA were usually at $300 or so. 500% of the FKK price.

Some women in the FKKs might be drug addicts, but I didn't think this was likely. The girls generally looked healthy, and many of them described the strict house rules, which would make it difficult for anyone with an addiction to operate.

Furthermore, some of the girls I met had been there for years, and they had done well enough to talk about pricey things like the cars they drove. So they were certainly doing ok. I thought of several possibilities that could explain their presence.

Some of them certainly just liked the sex. One came recommended by a few of the locals as a good fuck, and she thanked me for the effort I put into our time together and the orgasm I gave her. She was the most explicit about her experience, but I could read between lines with a few others.

Others could have been fallen women, the traditional source of women in the sex industry. Maybe they had been sexually abused, as sometimes is the case in porn. And thus chastity wasn't something that needed to be protected so tightly anymore.

And there's another possibility that I saw. That many of the women there were hoping to establish a courtesan relationship that's more lucrative than 100E an hour. A few of the girls I spoke with disparaged the one-shot tourists, and were on the lookout for regulars.

Finally, I wondered if another famous aspect of European culture might be at play: the taxes. In the European nanny-state society, taxes are probably high. So any cash-generating business might be especially lucrative. Friends who have moved to Europe from the USA tell me their salaries are lower.

Any Europeans, international business professors, or anthropologists care to explain? Would be grateful for your thoughts, and even any recommended reading. (It's quite possible that someone here has already postulated these questions, maybe there's a thread I missed.) Thanks!

[Also, moderator, please accept my apologies and feel free to move this post if you think it's a little off-topic or in the wrong section. ]

Micke Gbg

11-26-11, 23:59

I went to Palace a Saturday night two month or so ago and after changing and a shower, I walked around and saw the result of the renovation they had done since I was there last and I thought it was successful.

I went to the bar and ordered a coke (as usual) and after a while or so, girl after girl came up to offer their services. After a while, Sarah came up and she has a look that I really like, dark-haired, half big tits, perfect ass and a really nice face and she seemed to have a nice attitude so we went straight to a room. Once there, I decided on a standard 50E session that began with a nice blowjob and after a while she began to ride me, which was perfect so I could see and feel her beautiful tits and after a while we changed to doggy and it took not long before I came in tonight's first orgasm.

Appearance: 9/10 Attitude: 8/10 Sex: 8/10 Social: 7/10.

After a good start I went into the cinema and relaxed watching porn, and a girl or two came and asked if I wanted some company for which I turned down without any problems. After an hour or so Verona came in and introduced herself and asked if I wanted company, which I accepted. Verona came from Brazil and was unbelievable stylish and sexy, she had long dark hair, perfect silicone tits and a rock hard sexy ass. When she asked if we would go to a room I was already rock hard. When we got to the room I decided a 100E session of 1 hour and after a quiet start with caressing and sucking we started with the missionary and switched to doggy style, in the bed, on the floor and against the wall before I layed down on the bed so Verona could ride me to tonight's second orgasm.

Appearance: 10/10 Attitude: 9/10 Sex: 9/10 Social: 9/10.

After that I took an extra-long shower and then went to the bar to get something to drink. At this point there were quite a lot of people there so I stayed a good while before I got to see a familiar face and it was none other than Karina that I had a good time with the last time I was at the Palace, and she recognized me right away. Karina is the blonde girl from Estonia, which has a nice fit body with big silicone tits; she also speaks a little Swedish. We talked for a while before we went to the cinema where we started cuddling and kissing and Karina gave me a blowjob when I suggested that we should go to a room and at the room I went for a 50E session and Karina started riding me directly, and her technique and sexy body and a sexy blend of Swedish, English and German was so excited that I came directly.

Appearance: 10/10 Attitude: 9/10 Six: 10/10 Social: 9/10.

After the meeting with Karina I went back to the bar and began to wonder if I should go back to the hotel or if I should stay a bit longer. I decided to go into the cinema and take it easy and after I said no to a number of girls then came a girl who called herself Valentina (or something) and introduced himself, Valentina is a young dark-haired girl with a slim tight body with a pair of small natural breasts. We walked into a room and agreed a standard 50E session. Valentina started sucking me and I was hard faster than I thought given how the evening had been, and after a while I started to fuck her in missionary and after a while we move to doggy and we went on for a good while and then we switched again so she could be on top and it felt so good that I came in another great orgasm.

Appearance: 7/10 Attitude: 8/10 Sex: 9/10 Social: 6/10.

After that I decided to go back to the hotel to try to get some sleep.

Dandriller

11-27-11, 04:56

I went to Palace yesterday (Saturday) around 2pm and was alittle disapointed with the lineup.
The stand out was who I initially thought was D. R. Alice, but she approached me and said her name was Annie also from D. R.
She had a very cute face and great dark skinned body, perhaps darker than Alice but equally well proportioned.
I couldn't say no but the experience turned out to be similar to Alice, extra for DATY, pushed for 1 hour no kissing or touching her titties.
I kept asking to eat her pussy but she kept saying 100.
BBBJ was average trying for the express orgasm using hands with no attention to detail.
My requests to slow down were either not understood or ignored so I said don't bother, I will end the session now.
She insisted on continuing saying she needed to do it that way, but here attitude was a turn off.
I allowed her to continue though but she was never going to make me cum with that technique.
None the less we ended the session after 30 minutes without orgasm and I paid 50 euro.

I wandered around and took a seat at the bar and was approached by a few ladies that did not excite me.
I went to the Kino and watched a little porn and noticed Annie near the entrance with her Blackberry.
She was too busy to acknowledge me or wasn't interested.
I was approached by a Russian with short dark hair who's name I can't remember who kissed me and teased my cock to erection with her finger nails but I declined a session with her.
I returned to the main room and sat in the middle lounge area and was approached by a few ladies who did nothing for me.
Eventually German Samantha, skinny blonde with glassses and tattoos approached and offered a session.
She was very tempting as her face is pretty but too skinny for me.

I noticed Annie back in the main room and was surprised that she was not in demand based on her looks.
I went back to the Kino after a while and Annie was back there near the door with her Blackberry again.
She noticed me this time and asked me what I was doing.
I said I wanted to watch for a while and sat near her but not close.
She said she would let me eat her pussy and asked if I was good at sucking pussy to which I said of course.
I could not say no to this offer and she said let's go to the other corner of the Kino though.
Her attitude seemed much nicer now and she kissed me and really looked at me and we hugged like lovers.
She first started blowing me and her technique was much better.
She then moved to the 69 position and I started eating her beautiful pussy.
She seemed to enjoy my technique and although she was getting me to orgasm, she kept interrupting at the wrong times reversing the good work she had just done.
Eventually she had to surrender as I told her it wasn't going to happen again.
We relaxed together, kissing and carresing each other and she was in no hurry to go.
Eventually she said shall we vamos and I said yes.
She said do you want to eat my pussy some more in a room to which I said I would like to but I could not pay any more.
I asked why before she didn't want her pussy eaten and now she did.
She said now she was hot and was horny and wanted it.
I gave her 50 euro and said gracias and I showered and left.

That was a strange experience and I would have preferred that the first session didn't happen at all, but in the end I enjoyed my time with an amazingly beautiful woman.
I do wonder why girls like this don't put a better effort into their blowjob skills.
Perhaps they have never had to try because of their looks and when dating guys no one is willing to educate them.
Funny though, after telling her that she was so beautiful, she said she didn't think so because if she was, she would be married by now.
I felt like saying maybe if you improved your oral skills you would be in higher demand for marriage.

Hessen Bub

11-27-11, 09:09

Any Europeans, international business professors, or anthropologists care to explain? Would be grateful for your thoughts, and even any recommended reading. (It's quite possible that someone here has already postulated these questions, maybe there's a thread I missed.)It's a business. And an illusion. There's women working there on their free will, out of economical pressure (usually Eastern European) , women being tradficked, etc. Some take drugs, others drink, some don't. There's clubs all over the country, from Berlin to Munich. And they all try to give the impression of a clean and happy ambience, but it is pure business. The girls are perfect actresses and make you feel like you just described: They love sex, they dig you, they are in love with you etc. Just keep in mind: It's just an illusion.

HB

Jmioffe

11-27-11, 11:36

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You're probably right. The simplest explanation is the best, right?

But man, people in the FKKs must be amazing actors. I thought I was a good judge of character, and made my judgments based on small tells, context clues in our conversation. That's especially hard for girls to do when they're speaking a second or third language. I'm stunned in a different way, that these girls should be such good actresses.

And it's not only the girls. The locals I met were pretty easygoing, and the personnel were too. But I can see better how that might be good business. Perhaps the Germans have figured out that honest, friendly, straightforward repeat business is more lucrative than the sneaky, contemptuous ways a lot of sex businesses operate around the world.

Admittedly my sample size was small, but it was also easier to chat with the Germans, for whom this seemed natural, than the visitors, who were a little more uncomfortable. I can't help but think visitors' discomfort might have been due to being burned in other sex businesses that operate less straightforwardly.

It's a business. And an illusion. There's women working there on their free will, out of economical pressure (usually Eastern European) , women being tradficked, etc. Some take drugs, others drink, some don't. There's clubs all over the country, from Berlin to Munich. And they all try to give the impression of a clean and happy ambience, but it is pure business. The girls are perfect actresses and make you feel like you just described: They love sex, they dig you, they are in love with you etc. Just keep in mind: It's just an illusion.

HB

The Cane

11-27-11, 17:52

It's a business. And an illusion. There's women working there on their free will, out of economical pressure (usually Eastern European) , women being tradficked, etc. Some take drugs, others drink, some don't. There's clubs all over the country, from Berlin to Munich. And they all try to give the impression of a clean and happy ambience, but it is pure business. The girls are perfect actresses and make you feel like you just described: They love sex, they dig you, they are in love with you etc. Just keep in mind: It's just an illusion.

HBFor the most part, I agree with you HB. But, I think it is possible to find girls who really do like what they are doing. They may not necessarily be in love with a monger. But, they do like fucking. Or, in the case of a girl like Gina the Czech, I really do believe that she likes sucking dick and having guys sperm in her mouth (and she's damn good at it too!). Last time I was at Palace she told me that she knows what she likes, and she's not going to let anybody else make her feel bad about herself because of it.

Hessen Bub

11-27-11, 19:20

But, I think it is possible to find girls who really do like what they are doing. Or, in the case of a girl like Gina the Czech, I really do believe that she likes sucking dick and having guys sperm in her mouth (and she's damn good at it too!). Last time I was at Palace she told me that she knows what she likes, and she's not going to let anybody else make her feel bad about herself because of it.Yes, you can find some of these girls, they are rare. It's their day to day job, nobody likes ice-cream 10 times a day every day. In all the flavors, even the ones you don't like. It's part of the game to let you think she likes her job, and especially you. And Czech Gina (blonde, bolt-ons, right?) is a professional, I'd bet she does not belong to the 2% who like having a dick and a load of cum in her mouth. But. Just a guess.

If you are hairy and tall, she likes hairy and tall guys. If you are young and fat, she likes young and fat guys. If you are German, she likes Germans and hates Italians. If you are Italian, she likes Italians and hates Germans. That's what you pay for.

HB

Hessen Bub

11-27-11, 19:24

And it's not only the girls. The locals I met were pretty easygoing, and the personnel were too. But I can see better how that might be good business. Perhaps the Germans have figured out that honest, friendly, straightforward repeat business is more lucrative than the sneaky, contemptuous ways a lot of sex businesses operate around the world.You are probably right, Germans (Europeans) do have a much more relaxed relation to sex than the average US American. Prositution is legal in Germany. Much better to find it in the clean open with some clear regulations rather than making it illegal with all the disadvantages that brings for us and the girls.

HB

The Cane

11-27-11, 23:26

Yes, you can find some of these girls, they are rare. It's their day to day job, nobody likes ice-cream 10 times a day every day. In all the flavors, even the ones you don't like. It's part of the game to let you think she likes her job, and especially you. And Czech Gina (blonde, bolt-ons, right?) is a professional, I'd bet she does not belong to the 2% who like having a dick and a load of cum in her mouth. But. Just a guess.HBWell, I know she has a rep for being a professional, but since when did being a "professional" become such a bad thing? I would argue that more professionalism in this hobby would be a good thing. I mean, I wish that more of the girls had a professional attitude about the way that they do things rather than just trying to rip mongers off. We would all enjoy the hobby a lot more that way.

OK, so she was seen by somebody hustling a bus load of Japanese tourists. There were a lot of them, so she had to hurry up. LOL! Seriously though, she has never hustled me. And I agreed with you before that although she is very pretty, she's no more than an average fuck. That's why I don't get longer sessions with her any more. But, her BBBJs are exceptional. So I'll get a shorter session with her and fuck her a little bit, then have her suck my dick. And if her slapping me a high five after I've spermed all over her teeth is being a "professional", then THAT my friend is some professionalism that I'll gladly accept!

Hessen Bub

11-28-11, 13:28

Well, I know she has a rep for being a professional, but since when did being a "professional" become such a bad thing? I would argue that more professionalism in this hobby would be a good thing. I mean, I wish that more of the girls had a professional attitude about the way that they do things rather than just trying to rip mongers off.I fully agree, no use in having hobby prostitutes with no clue about what a man likes. I strongly support professionals in that business, and Gina is one of them.

HB

Tommyh80

11-28-11, 21:59

I heard a lot of Gina's faboulous BJs. How can I find here? HOw does she look?

Stevie P

11-30-11, 11:24

Hi,

I have used the forum extensively over the last couple of years without posting, so here at last is my first contribution.

Carolina is a big girl with massive natural boobs. She approached me as I was trying to get past her with a cheeky smile and when she realised that I spoke English she became very friendly. I am a boob man and I have found that my best punts have always been with girls who speak good english. Carolina's english is perfect, so that was a good start.

She promised alot of kisses and sexy fun in the room and boy did she deliver. She talks alot and while that might not be everybodys cup of tea, I found this to be just what I wanted as I always go to fkks on my own and not everybody that I want to session with can speak good English, and these sessions can become quite mechanical.

Carolina is Greek / Eastern European but has lived in Germany for a long time to the point that she is probably more like a local girl.

She is not a full timer and probably only works a couple of days a week. I got the impression that she has only been doing this / working at the palace for a couple of months. This may add to her very positive attitude. We spent 10 minutes sealing the deal, caressing and a bit of dfk outside the sauna and an hour in the room. Total cost 100 euros. The result was the perfect girl friend experience. She kisses well, and declared quite proudly that she doesn't smoke, as we were on our way to the room. Neither do I, and this probably meant that she was up for alot of snogging. She gave me the best bit of fun that I ever had in the room. She gave me the impression that she actually enjoyed the session as much as I did. Alot of laughs and alot of kisses!

She deserves a good write up. If you are looking for a brilliant GFE who speaks English with big boobs. Upselling would never come into this girls repetoire. Look out for Carolina. I don't know which days she actually works. I saw her on Monday night and my biggest mistake was not finding out. So if you know which days she works, I would quite like to know. I get the feeling that Carolina is the sort of girl that is probably enjoying this as she has just started and might not even continue doing this for very long, so now is probably the best time to enjoy her company if you get the chance.

If anybody does know that she does work on certain days, please tell me or message me. It was certainly a mistake on my part not to find out, which days or how to contact her in advance.

Syzygies

11-30-11, 22:46

Well, I know she has a rep for being a professional, but since when did being a "professional" become such a bad thing?The term "too professional" normally refers to girls that are too procedural and have too many rules, e. G. No kissing, no touching here or there, etc. And act very business like.

Some of us are looking for girls that go with flow, don't have lots of rules or upsell, and either are willing to enjoy themselves or are such good acctresses that we can't tell the difference. These we describe as GFEs, as its either as good as a real GF's performance or even way better than that.

Some of us want the illusion that this princess is like a part time GF. This is not unrealistic. Many girls can give this GFE even if they are not necessarily long time workers. Its more about attitude I think. Some girls can enjoy sex with certain customers, when they are in the mood.

If the girl is too business like and not willing to have fun, my dick goes limp really quick.

Luckystar24

11-30-11, 23:39

Does anyone know if Vanessa is still at Palace? She has many tattoos and was there in early Sept.

Will be dropping by Palace in a couple weeks.

The Cane

12-01-11, 01:03

The term "too professional" normally refers to girls that are too procedural and have too many rules, e. G. No kissing, no touching here or there, etc. And act very business like.

Some of us are looking for girls that go with flow, don't have lots of rules or upsell, and either are willing to enjoy themselves or are such good acctresses that we can't tell the difference. These we describe as GFEs, as its either as good as a real GF's performance or even way better than that.

Some of us want the illusion that this princess is like a part time GF. This is not unrealistic. Many girls can give this GFE even if they are not necessarily long time workers. Its more about attitude I think. Some girls can enjoy sex with certain customers, when they are in the mood.

If the girl is too business like and not willing to have fun, my dick goes limp really quick.I am an experienced, seasoned monger. I knew exactly what he was talking about. I was just trying to spin it in a little different light. And of course the GFE is realistic. But, it's not what I seek. Many of us such as myself seek the PSE (porn star experience) , which is also quite realistic and obtainable my mongering friend.

Hessen Bub

12-01-11, 10:48

Does anyone know if Vanessa is still at Palace? She has many tattoos and was there in early Sept.She's not working at Palace anymore. She was seen at Sharks, but not in the last weeks. No idea where she is.

HB

Occultus

12-02-11, 02:54

[I'm trying to write a detailed report on my recent visit to the Palace. I'm just going to go ahead and post the first parts 0 and 1 in this post. 2 in the next. ]

0. INTRODUCTION.

I was at the Palace last Wed (Nov 23rd) , Thurs (Nov 24th) , and also Sat, Sun, and Mon (Nov 26th. 28th). Needless to say, this visit was an exceptional bender, a mixture of Heaven and Hell, an experiment in the capacities of body and mind. My intention is to divide the report into several parts, one for each day, in which I describe the salient events, but also insert some reflections. Although my mind was not terribly active, at least at the conscious level, while I was in the club, once I got back to the hotel, numerous thoughts usually flowed forth, that I would set down in my notebooks, before going to bed. To clarify, when I say my mind was not terribly active, I don't mean I wasn't actively cherry-picking the 9's out of the Palace line-up, monitoring my time between sessions, and so on. I simply mean my reflection on my experiences was usually deferred to the night (although what is night? Seeing that night became my day.).

Before delving into the details, here are some stats / facts.

WEDNESDAY Nov 23th:

1.) Bruna, Brasil.

2.) Samantha, Stuttgart.

3.) Susianna, Lettland.

4.) Ade, Romania.

5.) Alice, Dominican Republic.

6.) Joy, Berlin.

7.) Joy, Berlin.

THURSDAY Nov 24th:

1.) Agnes, Poland.

2.) Tamara, Colombia.

SATURDAY Nov 26th:

1.) Astrid, Bulgaria.

2.) Samantha, Stuttgart.

3.) Astrid, Bulgaria.

SUNDAY Nov 27th:

1.) Beatriz, Malta.

2.) Anna, Moldova.

3.) Mirella, Serbia.

4.) Angelina, Spain.

5.) Janita, Bulgaria.

MONDAY Nov 28th.

1.) Janita, Bulgaria.

2.) Angelina,"Egypt"/Romania.

3.) Samantha, Stuttgart.

4.) Angelina, Spain.

The girls listed below each day are the ones I sessioned with. One notices a bulk of sessions on the first day, which will be physiologically / psychologically explained shortly. However, first the total lineup, to the best of my memory / notes (some redundancy with the sessions list).

DRAMATIS PERSONAE:

Ade, Romania *

Agnes, Poland *

Alice, Dominican Republic *

Ana, Malta.

Anna, Moldova *

Andrea, Colombia.

Angelina, 'Egypt'/Romania *

Angelina, Spain *

Astrid, Bulgaria *

Audrey (?) , Brasil.

Beatriz / Betty, Malta *

Bruna, Brasil *

Carol, Colombia.

Cecile, Dusseldorf.

Crystelle, Martinique.

Daniella, Moldova.

Elena, Poland.

Elyssa, Greece.

Eva, Greece.

Francesca, Italy.

Gina, Czech Republic.

Imka, Russia.

Isabella, Romania.

Janita, Bulgaria *

Joy, Berlin *

Julia, Spain.

Katrina, Wiesbaden.

Kelly, France / Senegal.

Kiara, Berlin.

Kim, Brasil.

Maggie, ?

Mariana, Colombia.

Marlena, Poland.

Maya, Spain.

Mirella, Serbia *

Nicoletta, Romania.

Nikki, Dortmund.

Olympia, Hungary.

Paulina, Slovenia.

Samantha, Stuttgart *

Selena, Konstanz.

Sylvia, Bulgaria.

Susianna, Latvia *

Tamara, Colombia *

Valentina, Bulgaria.

Yolanda (?) , Dominican Republic.

Devoid of descriptions, this list is not very helpful, unless you know these girls already. There were of course many more, but these are either the ones I recognized from my August visit, or (mostly) those I talked to directly on this November visit. On Wednesday I occupied myself much of the time between sessions by approaching girls and asking them their names, since some members of ISG seem interested in knowing which girls were present. However, by Sat / Sun / Mon I had lapsed into a listless indifference and ceased to care. So the list is biased towards the Wednesday lineup, which was incredibly strong, perhaps even better than the Saturday offerings. Just goes to show that in FKK, there are only probabilities, no certainties ("Is she going to be there when I'm there?") , and "black swan" events certainly occur. Finally, some of the countries given are only the ones the girls advertised, I. E."She may actually be from Romania." Knowing the cities of the German girls may be useful; in any case, that was how they introduced themselves.

I initially planned to return to the Palace in January, but owing to certain dreams and delusions, pushed the trip forward to November. The place was playing too prominent role in my mental life (too many involuntary thoughts in this direction, screen memories, etc.). To maintain my sanity, I could either turn to religion (which ain't so sane, actually) , or give in the urge (which in its own way is turning to religion anyway). I figured I would visit the Palace, and do so thoroughly, so I wouldn't be immediately longing for a coda. I confess, I actually didn't even feel like going Sat, Sun, and Mon, but did so anyway, to make myself sick of it.

So the decision was made at the beginning of November. I found a cheap Lufthansa flight and booked a few nights at the "infamous" Ibis, mentioned earlier in this thread. This Ibis was very cheap, the location was great. Thanks for Sharks16 for the ATM info (there's a Degussa Bank with an outdoor money dispenser nearby). The only problem with this Ibis was the heat. Only at max setting was the room comfortable (although I could leave it on this setting during the day, when I was out of the room, and then turn it down at night when I was sleeping) , but even then the air was exceptionally dry, and I think it bothered my sinuses. Some reviewers on other sites have complained that this Ibis is next to a major road, but if you've ever lived in a city, you'll block out the ambient noise anyway. Finally, studying the Google map of the Industriehof area may be helpful before your voyage.

1. PREPARATION.

Preparation: in a word, no porn or masturbation for a month. So I decided to live like a monk, to stay pure for the Palace experience. As for sex, I had had sex with an escort a few times before the decision to monk it entirely, but of course in the United States such services are ridiculously expensive, poor quality, and so on. The best you can hope for is that your provider is comparably better than the others, otherwise any one hour appointment will be markedly inferior to any FKK experience. Finally, it was clear that as far as prostitution was concerned, the United States is an information black-hole, so even if decent providers for a decent price exist, one would have to find them through seas of spam on public boards, and so on. Prostitution is illegal, while porn flows like water, destroying the psyche, destroying the soul. Ridiculous double-standard.

So no porn, no masturbation, no sex, etc. It was also a psychological experiment. How much deprivation could the mind take? What was it really like to live in the Middle Ages like a monk? Or like a knight who had his lady painted on his shield? Of course, on my shield, not just any wh0re was painted, but the Wh0re of Babylon, the Palace Herself.

About porn. Ignoring the fact that much of high art is pornographic, porn in the softcore and hardcore varieties desensitizes the mind to visual display, most importantly naked women within one's field of vision, which is the ultimate joy of the FKK experience. So why wouldn't I want to enjoy this in full, I reasoned? Physiologically, desensitization limits the quality of your erections, especially those that are spontaneous responses to visual sensations. Finally, porn is also pernicious in that it predisposes one to a voyeuristic (rather than interactive) sexuality, such that one is not entirely at ease when his sex object can look back at him and talk to him. Sounds crazy, but these are (in my opinion) issues totally relevant to the generation growing up when the Internet came to prominence in the '90's and beyond. Meanwhile, masturbation of course predisposes one to prefer one's own hand to the woman's vagina, a rather sad perversion, that also diminishes the heterosexual drive.

Anyway, I don't want to over-extend this digression mainly relevant to the younger audience. But the point is, if anything should be illegal, it's porn, not prostitution. Not to mention that prostitution would be extremely useful, were one to take sexual education seriously. No learning without doing, after all.

Finally, a steady schedule of pushups is definitely useful, if one enjoys the missionary position. A set of pushups is also a good distraction from sexual desire if you're monking it. Of course, in some moments, even physical activity will not drive the images of porn from the mind, in which case one may recite the Lord's Prayer. OK, you might find this is all madness, but I enjoy psychological experiments and prefer not to bias myself against any tradition in the history of religion (while Christianity is rather naive on sexuality compared to paganism, it does see something dangerous in sex, since it is so threatened by it: and in sex, at least excessive sex, there is grave psychological danger). Practically speaking, it's worth it, if you really want to go on a bender.

Also arguably part of my preparation for the pilgrimage was practicing my German, which though necessary, is highly useful. The "method" I chose was to ceaselessly listen to Deutsche Welle videos on YouTube, mostly in the background while I worked or watched other videos. Usually, I wouldn't make an effort to understand, the idea was to simply accustomize myself to the sounds of the spoken language, or more ambitiously, to exploit the possibility of unconscious processing. I put "method" in quotes above, because a method is really a way to interact with data, but my "method" was to simply "download" vast amounts of data. So "how" you learn doesn't matter, simply the amount of experience.

So likewise I sought a bulk experience in sex. Arguably, the Palace is not the right venue for such an experiment. But I like Optik and I was willing to save my money for it. Furthermore, I was well aware of the poor reviews Palace has been getting lately, especially on the German boards. But I'm not terribly into DFK or DATY. When you're kissing a girl, your eyes are too close to her body to see her fully. Most of the normal sessions I did were quite satisfactory. Some were not. In a few I went for extras, but doing so did not guarantee a session more enjoyable than normal. In short, I like sex with beautiful women, otherwise I'd rather be ascetic.

[Part 2 of the report to follow, hopefully in the adjacent post. ]

Occultus

12-02-11, 02:56

[Breaking up Part 2 into 2a and 2b. This is 2a. ]

2. WEDNESDAY.

Arrival. I flew into Frankfurt on a redeye. I generally don't sleep well on planes. In any case, I wasn't tired when we arrived at 5:30 or 6:00, since I usually went to bed well after midnight, although I did feel some waves of exhaustion passing over me, perhaps because the Earth in this region of the world willed that humans be asleep. Who knows? For some reason buying a train ticket was not entirely straightforward, perhaps because I had not done so before. But I talked to a German guy, and he said I didn't need a ticket, I could just follow him to the rails. So we talked a bit. He had just flown in from Peking, as a result had not slept in 27 hours. Well, it turns out he was wrong about the ticket, so I wished him well before he boarded his ICE, and I went back to the ticket machine to by the local tickets.

I went to Hauptbahnhof, but incorrectly got off, thinking I could transfer to the U6 or U7 from there. Well, you can't of course. So I got on another tram (one of the S trains) to Hauptwache and from there caught a U6 going in the direction of Industriehof. So if you don't have the subway system memorized, you'll be OK: there are plenty of experts (read: German commuters) standing there idle on the platforms.

So I got to Industriehof, it was still dark out, but the street lights were on. So I could see the wall in Sharks16's pictures and knew where to go (although first I was going to the Ibis). The Palace signs though are no longer there. Anyway, I was walking around in the dark for a bit, stumbling toward the Ibis. I asked a German if he knew where to head, but he had never heard of the hotel, and No, I wasn't staying at Fleming's. I must have circled around the block, at which point I saw the sign: "The Palace".

Yet it struck me as bizarre that the sign was simply there, unilluminated, not emanating an otherworldly aura. There was something anticlimactic about it, that I simply couldn't explain, that it felt wrong for the Palace to be just another building among buildings, a place one can reach through simple traversal of space (no magic, no metaphysics required: just a plane ticket and €75 in fact. Which is odd if the Palace has assumed a mythical place in your imagination in the intervening months). Not that I didn't know it opened at 10:00; not that I wasn't terribly excited. But still, Peter wasn't guarding the gates.

Eventually I arrived at the Ibis: I could have walked direct from Industriehof. It was still night, but I gambled that they had a room free, so I could catch a few hours rest. In other words, I only booked Wed night, but not Tues night, figuring the hotel would not be full, and I could check in early (otherwise 3 PM). Booking the room for Tues-Wed night would not work anyway, since late check-in ends at 7 PM. In any case, they had a room free, so I went up. Thankfully, they also have converters for American electrical plugs, so I could recharge my phone. But for reason, my phone was not yet "online," so I used the hotel phone to contact a friend. The hotel phone readily worked, which wasn't surprising, considering the charge of €1 / min. Smart choice, since my friend had much good news to share.

Anyway, the conversation terminated, so I lay in bed a while, hoping to snatch some rest. As the waves of exhaustion were crashing over me, other waves of excitement were welling up, those of proximity to the Palace in space, and proximity in time to its 10:00 AM opening.

I didn't actually get there at 10:00 AM, I figured girls would be still checking in, eating breakfast, etc, and I wasn't hungry yet myself (I declined the included breakfast at the Ibis, knowing I'd be on a Palace bender). And I needed to walk over the Degussa to get wads of cash. No visible threat of muggers or any "suspicious elements" at any time of day. The ATM also forces you to withdraw your card before you get your cash, so you can't be an idiot (I've been known to leave my card in cash machines prior to pay6 experiences). I'm not a rich man, I'm not "economically viable," I just have means of saving, mostly by living frugally; let's leave it at that.

So I arrived finally: the automatic opened just for me and the Thekefrau (the one with short brown hair and excellent English) buzzed me in. I asked about a 5-day pass, but she told me that they only have 10 passes, but she'd check with the manager anyway. Turns out they only have 10-day passes. Not knowing the future, I declined the 10-day pass, though given human nature I would / will have been a prudent way to save cash.

Anyway, you probably don't care about this sh*t, so I got my coffee and sat down at the bar in the main room. The first girl to approach me is Elena from Poland. She is blonde, has a beautiful face, nice curves in her body, where "curves" refers to the shape, not a euphemism for fat, though she has a wonderful feminine softness to her. We chatted for a bit and she said she would come by later, but I told her I wanted her to stay. Yes, I hadn't had sex or looked porn or anything for a month, nor had I slept the night before, but I still had enough wits about to know she was hot and Palace-hot.

But then complications ensued. In the room I told her I preferred the blowjob uncovered and was also interested in a CIM extra. Note, we had not yet engaged in any action, when she told me she only does the blowjob covered. That set off an alarm in my head, though, which was probably an overreaction, since she also said, we could break the session now, if her services were not what I desired. So back to the bar with no losses. In retrospect, I wish I had gone with her, at least on another occasion, since she really was beautiful (9/10) and delightful to hold. But having had condoms slipped on me in the past before I knew uncovered was FKK standard made me suspicious. Furthermore, I wanted to start with CIM because not having had sex of any sort for a month, I knew I wouldn't last long in any vagina, not to mention the issues of filling the condom.

In any case, the sailor at sea had finally found his port, but he would have to wait a bit. OK, since I was hungry for breakfast anyway. It was about 11, 11:30 now. This is when I see a beautiful black girl, with some mulatta features. I talked to her as I was getting my tray. She said her name is Alice. I said,"Ah, from Brasil or the Dominican Republic?" For I had seen it mentioned she has advertised as Brasilian in the past; I just wanted to see if she would play a game with me. But she just said,"Dominican Republic." Her English is also quite good. Then she chipped a nail, slightly, while getting a dish or utensil."Oh no, . Because I was talking to you." But not in any vindictive tone. I offered apologies for distracting her anyway, she said it wasn't a big deal. She has a very easy-going manner, is rather relaxing to be around, though this also means she is lazy in her approach. Were she not lazy, I would have gone to the room with her many more times. But her usual approach was "We go?" But I imagine she technically has no need to work on her approach, since on busy nights, as she told me, she works constantly.

Anyway, Alice wasn't the only visual sensation in the restaurant on Wednesday morning. Marlena from Poland, not the best Optik, but large silicon tits that certainly attracted the sailor's eye. Tamara from Colombia as well. Another busty Polish chick, probably offering duos with Marlena. But neither approached me later, although I had asked Marlena her name. Also delightful to behold, a veritable vision for the monk after dreary days in the monastery, was Bruna from Brasil.

Her towel initially covered her tits, but when she sat down, she decided to expose herself. Not a natural bust, but judiciously shaped by the artist's hand. And so Bruna, an incarnation of imagination. She could be the plaything of billionaires, yet was working as a prostitute (in reality, she's probably in demand on the escort scene, given Wednesday was the only day she was in the Palace; just a hypothesis). Anyway, we talked. About things. And I fell in love. She said, sure, maybe later. I assured her, I was sure I wanted to session with her. But she disappeared for 20 mins to half an hour.

So I went back to restaurant to get some juice (the multivitamin is excellent, by the way). This is when I saw Tamara. She doesn't have the best face and it is overly painted with makeup, but has a nice Latina allure to it, signs of experience and sophistication. I can't help but think that many of these girls are members of the so-called "international elite", members of families prominent in NGO's, educated at international schools (in childhood) , at least that's the illusion they cast. In more detail, girls born into rich families now beyond their means, who are thus not accustomed to working real jobs, but know how to look beautiful. This is just a hypothesis. A simple counterargument is the extreme adaptability of women, well-documented (or fabricated) in literature.

Tamara mentioned that she works for a fashion boutique or something like that in Zurich. She was eating hard-boiled eggs, but wasting the yolk."You shouldn't waste that," I said, so I took them from her dish (not without asking, of course of course).

BRUNA.

Anyway, I went back out to the whiskey bar or somewhere, when I finally saw Bruna. She was ready, I had been ready, so we went to a room. We cuddling on the bed for a while, stroking, rubbing each other, soft caresses. I told her I wanted an hour, for I genuinely wanted this with her (I was not buying something I did not want in the hopes of getting better service). So we take it slow, she strips and poses in a catlike pose. I see her, I see her in the mirror, the view and the views are incredible, an instant surge of lust turns my loins to steel. She arches her back, lifting her butt, so I can see her nether region the more easily. What can I say? I, who had never licked a pussy before, licked her without even thinking. Her genitalia, so perfect, so clean, somehow surpassing all airbrushed images. It was as though nature was imitating art. And more, for having seen such a pussy, one could no longer doubt the possibility of the Immaculate Conception.

I've forgotten to mention her long brown hair, pure white skin, a delicate sophisticated face, that one thinks from Italy or South America. We also kissed for a bit. We might have kissed longer, I might have licked longer. But my technique in these talents is rather lacking. She sucks my member, the only thing between my member and her mouth is her saliva. The wait of one month was worth it, this was delicious. I was on the point of ejaculating into her mouth, when she lay on her back, suggesting intercourse. Protection applied, I penetrate her portal. Never before had I entered a vagina so narrow, so tight, and what bliss. It took the deepest breath and moment of concentration to resist immediate eruption.

But here's where things started to go wrong. She didn't want to fuck the whole time, she said. I wasn't planning on just thrusting the whole session, but I wasn't in any rush to leave her twat. However, I had already planned to finish with CIM anyway, so this wasn't that big a deal. But she thought she had to persuade me to it, and named the price (if I recall) which I already knew. The transition was kind of a mood-killer, although I'll be diplomatic and say it was lack of chemistry, especially owing to my lack of loving-making technique (in all seriousness, I am sure the one-hour session would be a blast for the experienced monger).

But she revived my hardness with her hand and mouth, and sucked quite good if I recall. Owing to the buzzkill and the fact that my system had not ejaculated for a month (it apparently needs to be awakened from hibernation) , the conclusion was slower than expected, though this was fine, since I had an hour. I was at point of shooting a few times in her mouth, but then she switched to her hand. Although this may have been intentional to build things up, I suggested she just use her mouth. She protested that she's a professional, so she knew what she was doing, and I should just trust her. Maybe she was right, since the result was a rather long and powerful orgasm. But she dodged some of the spurts of semen, I believe (I sometimes stop paying attention visually at the brink of orgasm). The plot had reached its conclusion, so after not too much further discussion, we went to the lockers, where cash (€150) changed hands.

Overall, I was disappointed, since I had hoped for passion and bliss, but got hit with restrictions and rules. But such is the nature of pay6, the error lies in one's expectations. Furthermore, I don't think there was the right chemistry between us to turn it into an ideal session. My immediate thought was to simply leave the Palace, that no one can live like this, that "only God can fix it," and so on. But I also know not to trust my kneejerk emotional reactions to just about anything. So I let my thoughts speak, but didn't listen. However, due to this imperfect session (for imperfect was the right word, in retrospect it wasn't bad, my expectations were just absurd: I fell in love with her in the restaurant, after all) I resolved henceforth to only pay €50 per fuck, thinking that the marginal utility (or whatever the economics concept is) in paying more was rather little, that I could have have just cummed in her tight pussy (semen volume issues aside) for €50 and have been done with it, without the emotional headache.

END BRUNA.

Dark thoughts quickly left my system, perhaps due to the plethora of other available beauties, and perhaps because I let those voices have their say, without suppressing their right to speak, but also taking none of the actions they suggested. I can't quite remember the exact sequence of events. I do know I was just about the only male in the place, which was rather nice, given the level of talent available (it was now Wednesday around 1:00 PM). I might have talked to Kelly at the bar at this point. She is hot, smoking body, etc. But I'm generally not into black girls, so I bought her off when she approached me, saying "You're Kelly, right?" "How did you know?" "We talked for 10 seconds back in August, I believe you had short hair then, and my French was not very good." "How did you remember?" "It's hard to forget a girl with such nice breasts." She was apparently glad to be remembered, so was not disappointed when I declined ("for now"). My later refusals (to her and other girls) obviously weren't so elaborate, but this was an easy one to pull off, given my memory of her.

I also declined Tamara, Andrea, Francesca, if I recall, on the grounds of recovery. I was sure to wear a watch this time around, it's the best thing you could possibly do for a day of extended mongering. For how otherwise could you monitor your recovery periods, plan meals, and not to mention ward off the threat of 30 mins somehow morphing into 35? I didn't actually look at the watch, except sometimes at the start of sessions, but I was never challenged on time (well, maybe once) throughout the bender. I was often shortchanged on time, but this I wasn't too concerned about, since I knew what I was getting into, being a €50 cheapo. I could have stayed on the bed, or said,"No, let's talk," but I didn't really see the point, nor did I want to talk after orgasm. The quantity of money just has no direct bearing on whether the girl likes you or not.

SAMANTHA.

I was sitting on the couch near the rooms, near the computer with Internet access, near the key desk, about a couch over from the main smoking lounge, etc, when Samantha approaches. She has a nice approach style. She will ask,"What brings you to Deutschland?", while staring at you with her beautiful face, as though mesmerized by your every word, like you're a genius. I talked to her a while about why I'm interested in Germany, mostly academic reasons, ignoring the recent revelation of FKK, and she listened. She said, she'd be delighted to go to a room. I said,"I'll let you know when I'm ready." Her body felt very warm. After I declined, she walked away, but not far. And seeing her buttocks move, I made my decision. I rose, walked to her, put my arm around her, and nodded.

Objectively speaking, especially from the viewpoint of the Critical Monger, this was a mediocre session. However, from my point of view at the time, and my contention now, it was an excellent session. Why? The absolutely tremendous physical pleasure blew away all concerns of duration.

Samantha has wonderful foreplay technique, she is a mistress of this. She will focus on parts of your body that are somehow sensitive to her touch, her kiss, as she gradually brings her lips in the vicinity of your penis. Then away, then closer. And then she takes off her glasses and smiles at you. Absolutely beautiful face, but with a slightly devious smile, indicating it is now time for her to suck your dick. And that she does wonderfully, her technique is top, never a tooth is touched, all lip, all tongue, all heaven. She'll move her body closer for you to feel its warmth, its sleekness, its perfection. Note that I'm generally a silicon pervert, but for her I not only make the exception, but preferred her to all the silikonisiert babes in the Palace.

She'll arch her perfect ass in the mirror, bring your dick to the brink of bliss and then back. Naturally, I was eager for sex. She gets into the doggy position and guides my shaft into her moisture. As I've said, she has an amazing butt, which decided me to session with her, when I saw her walk. I last for maybe a minute or two before my dick erupts in delight. The feel of her body, the visual from behind, was just too much. Note, this wasn't a "premature" ending, the pleasure of thrusting in her was just that intense, that I quickly "earned my reward."

And that was that. We didn't stay the full 30 minutes, far short of it, but it was not a €50 ill spent. The reasons for this will be subsequently clear. For now, obviously my conduct or acceptance of events is open to criticism. But I didn't really care about the exact number of minutes in the room, I was sure I had had an Experience, which is an Eternity compressed into a finite number of minutes. It doesn't matter whether it's 60, 5, or 30, and so on. The number of seconds ticked on the watch is a mere external measure, forever foreign to the tides of feeling in subjectivity.

Physical description: blonde hair, beautiful face, glasses, small natural boobs, perfect ass, and many, many tattoos, but not such that shroud her natural beauty. The leopard claws on her boobs have already been mentioned in this thread. She also has a Marilyn Monroe tattoo on one of her thighs. If you are banging her in doggystyle, you'll notice a corset tattoo on her lower back. Many images, many signs, yet that somehow do not diminish her delightful skin, which is tanned to the perfect tone. Her nether region is so clean, her butt so perfectly shaped, that fucking her from behind is otherworldly.

END SAMANTHA.

[Part 2b to follow. ]

Occultus

12-02-11, 02:59

[2b: WEDNESDAY continued. ]

I forget the exact course of events at this point, though suffice to say I was one of the only punters in the place, and the lineup was surprisingly strong for Wednesday midday. Wednesday of course is lingerie day, which was fine by me. One still felt the raging lust inspired by the figures, but also the neeed to denude the chicks who frustrated us so. My eyes were often magnetized by a tall blonde German chick with tremendous breasts, barely contained by her bikini. It turned out that this was Joy. I wouldn't say that her is patently beautiful, but there is something compelling about it, perhaps best described as an invitation to hedonism combined with a characteristically German haughty physiognomy.

I was tempted by Joy, but had also been courted multiple times by Nikki (Dortmund) , with whom I was not keen on sessioning, though she seemed to have a cool personality. At one point Joy suggested a duo with Nikki, so when she again suggested a session, I said,"Maybe in a minute, but I'd like to sit on the couch first, would you like to join me?" My object was to separate her from her friend to avoid the threesome proposal. But Joy would have none of this: she rudely replied,"Why?" Annoyed at being asked for a reason, I just said,"Because I feel like it," whereat she fumed,"Well, I don't feel like it!" I was a bit surprised, but not altogether flustered, since I thought it was silly of her to turn away business. But Joy remained in my peripheral vision throughout the afternoon and early evening. The sideview of her boobs is amazing.

SUSIANNA.

This girl was sitting on one of the couches by the pool, not approaching anyone. I figured I would ask her why. I motion to her to come over to my couch. She got up. But just then two forgettable blondes tried to convince me to session with them, so Susianna sat right back down. I declined the blondes, who then walked the circle around the pool. When they finally out of sight, Susianna got up. We talked for a bit. I didn't intend to session with her, but rather occupy my time at least meeting people, rather than sitting idle. Brunette, large fake boobs completely revealed by her lingerie, somewhat exotic face, but not really. Somewhat curly hair, but not really. She mentioned she had been on holiday for three weeks, and had not been with a single man, and that one when works as a prostitute, the body becomes accustomed to a certain amount of sex, that she was looking for the right man, with whom to break her drought. Not a bad spiel, and her body felt nice. She mentioned her interest in starting some company or doing something with art, in retrospect perhaps the usual vague generalities, but it lent her another dimension. Anyway, our hands had been active all this time, so we went to the room.

She asked me whether I wanted the blowjob with or without the condom. I said without. Then she started reciting club prices, but I said,"I know them, don't bother." Whereupon the action began. The main details I remember are asking her to completely remove her lingerie. I'm most aroused when the girl is completely naked, although nylons on her legs don't bother me, sometimes heighten the sensation. The missionary was delicious, she allowed deep penetration, and eventually I came. My body still wasn't showing any signs of slow down. We talked afterwards a bit about her shyness, how she doesn't feel comfortable approaching guys. It could have all been part of her illusion as a soft, feminine type. Or not. In any case, I told her, even if it is contrary to her nature, she'd be best served to wear the mask of the succubus, at least when necessary, that some days in FKK you can't just sit idle."You're a woman, so you have an inner, an inner demon, and even if it's not your main personality, you can don that mask," or something cliche like that. €50.

END SUSIANNA.

While I was eating dinner with a German monger, he was explained how he hated fake tits."See?" he said pointing to Susianna,"They just don't move. How can anyone like that?" I declined to mention that I had just fucked her earlier, but admitted I was sometimes guilty of the perversion, which I attributed to excessive imbibing of porn. But I also counterargued that "Yes, such tits are unnatural, but don't you think they conform to the expectations of our imaginations? Over the course of the 20th century we've gotten so used to seeing tits packed into bras and bikinis, that we expect them to maintain that delightful shape when the clothing is lifted. We've been conditioned to believe that the pushup effect of lingerie is in fact the real thing." He seemed sympathetic to the argument, but reaffirmed that his Beuteschema was strictly blondes with natural boobs. I asked him if he liked the Paradise (he was from Stuttgart) , but he said,"No, Palace is much better. Paradise is now 80% Romanian. I don't like Romanian girls, they talk in groups, and you know they're talking bad about you, when they're pointing at you. I just don't trust them." And he cited the evident variety of girls at Palace, in contrast. But still he mentioned he was very picky, he had not yet seen anything that excited him. I wished him well on his hunt, since he was done eating, while I still had a while to go. But he was in no rush, and he stayed to talk some more, apparently more interested in trading opinions than in actually whoring. He eventually excused himself though. I'm a very slow eater, and having had several sessions already, I was in no rush to get back to the fray.

ADE.

Before dinner I had actually had another session with the Romanian Ade. She arrived around 5 or 6 PM. You could see the shift change was evident at this time. And I was expecting it because I had a watch on. As I said, I didn't want to go to the room before the fresh talent arrived and I had a larger pool to choose from. Ade (or Ada) sat down one bar stool away from me, I. E. One stool between us. I looked, like her and her lingerie. Dark brown her, very fair skin. Not the most beautiful, probably around 7 or 8, but her body looked tempting and at the Palace, sexual intercourse was a certainty if I wanted it. We started talking, so she moved to the bar stool immediately adjacent mine. Mentioned that she's a student studying to be a "judge." I asked her if she meant lawyer, either her story was made up or she didn't understand my accent. Story didn't seem made up, though it's intriguing hook for the educated type. She probably meant the more general "jurist" to "judge."

Anyway, I was touching her and she felt nice, so we went to the room. Her natural boobs had a nice amount of lift to them, and she positioned herself delightfully for the blowjob, basically laying down on her side, perpendicular to my body, so her head had access to my cock, while I could see her fully frontal nudity. Joy also adopted this position for her blowjobs. We went through an assortment of positions, which she decided, and were athletically demanding on her. She tried to finished me off with reverse cowgirl, which was rather delightful. In spite of three sessions earlier that day, seeing her "work it" provided enough of a thrill for me to cum the 4th time. €50.

END ADE.

On later days, Ade asked me several times if I wanted to repeat, but I was not inclined to do so, even though I enjoyed the session. She seemed desperate for business, which made me feel bad, but I also reasoned that pity makes poor decisions, so it would be best to obey my carnal lust instead. I was also trying to practice the non-repeat principle, which is useful to a point: it makes sure noobs don't repeat with "girls they feel comfortable with" and thus not really experience the bordello. But after so much variety, it really ceases to matter. So I suppose looping (repeating, circling) is OK, but then the problem is that one's professed polygamy is collapsing into the monogamy masquerading under the name of GFE. No disrespect. My own conclusion after the bender is that it would be better to invest more time (and money) in fewer girls and develop a pseudo-relationship. But I don't believe this level of "enlightenment" to be possible without having gone on a variety-bender.

I can't remember whether I fucked Alice before or after dinner, I think it was before. I had promised her we would go to the room, but wasn't in any rush to do so, partly because she wasn't pressuring me, partly because I calculated that I would have less difficulty cumming in her body in a late session, than in the body of another woman.

ALICE.

Alice is well-known on this thread, so there is not much to say. Truly a delightful beauty, arguably the hottest in the club. I was sitting at the whiskey bar (that's the bar by the cash lockers, near the entrance, a good place to sit and do people-watching, as has been cited in this thread) recuperating after a session, when Alice approached me again, more adamantly."You promised, but when are we going to go? It's so quiet today. You can't keep waiting, you've already been in the room four times today. Are we never going to fuck at all?" Not exactly what was said, but the gist of it, perhaps a little flattering to my ego. I deliberated for a bit, but she wouldn't let me think any further."No, it has to be now, because if you wait, you're just going to end up going to the room with a different girl." Well, it was true I had promised earlier, since this was a commitment I did not mind getting entangled in. I finished my drink (always water, juice, or milk) , put my glass down, and we went to the room.

Alice greets me with French kissing, tongue, lips, etc, but since my technique is horrible, we don't continue this for too long. Sparse details remembered. Her blowjob was good, she said "Don't cum in my mouth," so I suppose she wasn't in the mood for the extra. Now this was my 5th session, so my stamina was flagging a bit. My erection weakened the first time she tried to put on the condom, so she back to sucking my cock. I was hard again, but she said that if she tried to put the condom back on again, my erection would diminish again. She said she knew this from experience. I generally trust MD-Wh0re, but also knew if I could sustain the erection through the condom application, I would have no troubles once inside her body. So I declined her offer of finish with handjob and mouth (I believe she believed she was right, this was no upsell). I bade her try one more time, my erection survived its imprisonment in the condom and I penetrated her. She was lying down in missionary not in the best position on the bed: the light did not fully illuminate her dark body, and I'm big on visuals. But I could see her breasts, I could see her nipples. I did not want to change position or location, which would risk the abatement of my excitement. So I fucked her through the adversity and gradually the lust for her breasts, her perfect abs, brought me to the brink of climax, and I rode the wave unto ejaculation.

When I pulled out, she did not believe I had come, for the amount of fluid was so scant, but I assured her I had, which she confirmed on closer inspection. She talked about how she hated these slow days, especially when some guys did not seem interested in going to the room."So now you have to fuck five girls, so we get any business," as though my intention was to somehow compensate for lack of male guests. But I suppose it made sense from a stochastic point of view. In any case, delightful session, delightful girl, fully lives up to the myth developed around her on ISG. €50.

END ALICE.

I also reasoned that I kept on postponing Alice, because the mind prefers girls on whom it took some effort to distinguish from the pack. The mind likes to feel satisfied that it has made a discriminating choice. But with Alice, there is no need for any effort, it is immediately manifest that her beauty is in the highest echelon.

Other assorted events of the day include Nicoletta's "Do you like me?" which sounded rather pathetic. She's not my type, and her evil sounding voice, surrounded by tobacco breath didn't change that. Since she kept on repeating such questions when I walked by, I just said it was unfair of her to ask Yes / No questions, which I suppose was not so nice, since she didn't understand the English.

Anyway, the image of Joy kept on appearing in my peripheral vision, thus causing me to turn me head towards the strong stimulus.

JOY 1.

I can't remember whether we first fucked before dinner or after. But in any case, my lust had reached a boiling point. I resolved to cast principle aside and session with her in spite of the altercation earlier, if she were willing to compromise. Well, of course she was willing to "compromise" since money was involved. I found her walking by the cash lockers with a cup of hot tea (I was sitting at the whiskey bar again) and decided the time was now."Can I change my mind from earlier?" I asked."You mean you want to go to the room?" "Yes," I replied. So we walked together to the entrance of the smoking lounge, she bids me meet her by the other entrance. She puts her hot cup of tea down on the table, and our paths converge by the other door. We go to the room.

I offered an apology for my rudeness earlier, although it was really hers. She said she is quick to anger, but also quick to forgive, so it was no big deal. I said,"I suppose you have to be that way in this profession," which she confirmed with a gesture or a grunt.

Absolutely artless upsell attempts ensue: which I found rather amusing, since she was totally unconvincing and seemed to be half-assing the upsell. She insisted that extras make it more fun, whereat I replied,"Just being here naked with you is enough of a buzz for me." She couldn't think of a reply, so she just made a slight scowl and began her work (I did concede she could do CIM if I couldn't cum in her vagina). Her blowjob was absolutely amazing, within a split second my dick was fully erect in her mouth. She lies down on her side, perpendicular to your body, like Ade, so her mouth has access to your penis, while you enjoy the full view of her breasts, stomach, thighs (and soon to be penetrated pussy).

She asked if I was ready for sex, which I affirmed. So she put the condom on with her mouth, she is very good at this. As you can surmise, she is (can be) very confrontational emotionally, but also very good at her job. I penetrate her in missionary position and the physical pleasure is mind-blowing. Finally satisfaction after watching her boobs go by for hours. A lot of eye-contact, which I relished since we had fought earlier, and now I was "showing her who's the boss." She couldn't sustain the eye to eye. Within minutes, in spite of it being my 6th session, I came. Like Alice before her, she didn't believe I had come, and I inspected the condom more closely. I insisted that I had, whereat she said,"Your sperm count must be down to 0." She forced me to admit that she was the best fuck of the day, to which I agreed (although I had recently conceded this honor to Alice upon similar prompting).

But Joy had a plan. Obviously she wasn't going to stay in the room without extras. I didn't really care, I had had my satisfaction. I just wanted to fuck her, not friend her. So while I got the illusory triumph of fucking her after the altercation, she finished the session in 5 mins."Am I not good at my job?" I confirmed she was, I enjoyed it, and I was impressed that she had the physical assets to induce a 6th orgasm so quickly. At this she demanded that I tip her, but I told her I wasn't going to tip her for a 5 min fuck.

But Joy had a plan. As we walked to the lockers, we passed by the smoking lounge, where she retrieved her cup of tea. It was still hot. She started sipping it. €50.

END JOY 1.

I was actually very tired and was just running on fumes. I hadn't slept the night before and had had an extreme amount of sex. But I still didn't feel like I was finished. As I was sitting by the pool eyeing the fresh talent, I was instead getting erect thinking about Joy. But I didn't want to repeat. I looked around, many hot girls, with whom I would have gladly gone to the room earlier. Sylvia and Valentina from Bulgaria, various chicks from Spain. The list goes on. I was also waiting for Gina, whom I vaguely remembered from my August visit. We had talked briefly but not gone to the room. But waiting for Gina seemed futile, I couldn't spot her among the many (desirable) blondes.

Eventually my spacecraft got caught in Joy's orbit again. I found her in the smoking lounge with some other Germans, including Samantha. I tapped her and asked if she wanted to go again. She looked really surprised, but then rose and indicated she was up so the task.

JOY 2.

As we walked to the room, Joy asked, presumably hoping for extras,"What's the plan this time?" I just said,"Doggystyle," which elicited an annoyed smirk from her."Just doggystyle, huh?" "We only did one position last time," I reminded her. She was both surprised and annoyed at getting a customer who was so easy to please. I told her,"This session is the tip you missed out on last time." Another mixture of amusement and annoyance on her face.

So we get down to business. The physical pleasure is insanely blissful. She tries another upsell when I'm inside her, maybe it was anal, I forget. But I tell,"Just be glad I'm not haggling over kissing." "Oh, if you wanted to kiss, you wouldn't be able to go with me. I don't kiss, period." Meanwhile, my key bracelet was making an annoying clattering, but I didn't want to stop fucking her. But taking it off with the hands while thrusting in her wasn't so difficult. But this was my 7th session, so I'm finally starting to flag. We switch to missionary, but I can't just generate the juices to sperm her.

I pull out and say I'm too tried."Haha, I get an extra!" she says (CIM if failure in normal sex was tacitly agreed)."Well, you'll have to work for it." She began the blowjob. But I was never satisfied with the mirror angle, I wasn't seeing enough of her body. So she suggested that I standup on the bed, my left side to the mirror, while she blew me on her knees. Now I could see everything, her butt, her boobs, and so on. Watching her was nice, feeling her lips on my shaft blissful. Eventually she found the right tongue teases and lip suctions to start a stream of semen. I could really feel the end coming. At this point I involuntarily stumbled forwards into her. But she adroitly moved back, stopped me from falling forward, and collected my cum in her mouth."What, are you trying to kill me this time?" "I just lost control of myself," I confessed.

This time she couldn't immediately scram from the room, since needed to cough up / spit some semen. She winced a bit. I asked her if I had hurt her with my involuntary motion. She said, No, she had just eaten too much Chinese food."The dinner tonight was rather good though," I countered."Yes, the food is good here, but I'm tired of it." "Well, they do change the meal everyday." "Yes, they change the meal everyday, but even so, every week is the same. So I like something different every now and then."

So we walked to the lockers. I put the €100 in my pocket and returned to her at the locker room entrance."I'm sorry, someone must have stolen my wallet." Scowl / smirk, amused but not amused. I handed her the bills.

END JOY 2.

As has been said elsewhere in this thread, it's better to leave your wallet in your clothes locker, that way when you retrieve your bills, the girl can't see how many others you've got left. I didn't feel there was much of a security issue, though I check my locker every now and then. I was too lazy to set a combo and didn't trust myself to remember it, since I was so tired.

I met the German monger I had talked with at dinner at the whiskey bar again. He said he had not still not made his decision. I suggested Samantha if he liked blondes with natural boobs. Samantha was standing by the entrance to the main room. He turned around and looked at her, but no reaction: he might as well have been staring at a blank wall. He asked me how many times I had been to the room. I said,"Six." (The Chronology is a bit distorted, Joy 2 was later.) He asked if I was using Vitamin V. I said,"No, I just haven't had sex for a month. No porn, no masturbation." Not going out of my way to boast about my "preparation," just citing it as the only possible cause of my capacity to fuck so much. In the past, three was usually my limit. Of course, after this day, I would never be able to sustain such a performance. I was too tired, especially from insufficient sleep, and also becoming rather bored.

Eventually I saw the German monger going into the locker room. No girl was waiting for him to pay her. He had mentioned earlier that he needed to drive home for 2 hrs. I asked him,"Ungefickt?" He just shrugged and went to the showers. He was a cool guy to talk to, and I believe he was genuinely picky, but still I find it odd that someone can leave the Palace after paying the entry without at least trying a chick, especially because the talent level was rather high for a Wednesday, and many hot girls were sitting idle on the slot machines. But I guess for the Germans, sex isn't such a big deal, and he would rather cut his losses at €75.

Exhausted, I eventually hit the showers again myself and got dressed. But still hungry, I grabbed a second dinner. The staff promptly informed me I was not in dress code for the restaurant and would have to take my tray to the whiskey bar. Various hot chicks passed by, some getting water. I saw one hot blonde a few times, or maybe it was several hot blondes. It was getting hard to tell the difference between them. I asked one of them what her name was, and she said,"Gina" in the sweetest high-pitched voice.

But I was disappointed that she was not so easily distinguishable from the crowd as I thought she would be, given the myth snowballing on ISG about her. The myth of Gina may simply be an accident, the chance occurrence of various contributing mongers happening to have good sessions with her. She's really hot, don't get me wrong. But I think her mystique her is largely owing to the textual tradition. At the same time, I regretted that I was spent. I wanted to session with her on account of this mystique, justified or unjustified. She asked me how many times I had been to the room. I told her the number."And I wasn't one of those seven?" She made a favorable impression, but I just did not think I had an eighth, and I hadn't slept the night before, so I was really crashing now. It seemed reasonable to expect she'd be back one of the other days of my excursion. But never again would I see that sleek young Czech. I had failed to seize the moment.

I got back to the Ibis, felt kinda lonely, although satisfied, if not super-saturated. Fell asleep around midnight, but woke up at 5 AM, in an artificial wakefulness you know that could collapse any minute.

[Other days to follow when I get a chance. ]

Occultus

12-02-11, 07:13

3. THURSDAY.

I was actually starting to fall asleep again around 10 AM, but knowing I would be working with a limited time window today, I decided to go to the Palace again, rather than sleep, which was stupid. But the whole point of the trip, I later reassured myself, was to try things I might never try again, may not want to. That is, commit excesses that are actually harmful. Of course, it's one thing to know an action to be immoderate in the abstract, it's quite another to actually do it and confirm deduction by experience. When I was on the tram in Karlsruhe, I just couldn't be bothered to buy a ticket. I knew there was a small probability of an inspector auditing the passengers. It wasn't so much that I didn't want to pay, I just didn't want to do anything, I was so tired. Well, sure enough, the inspector got on at the stop right before my last stop. So that was €40 ill spent. My motto after that, in re neglecting to buy and stamp a ticket, was "Never again."

Likewise noobies in FKK have to make the same mistakes before they do can declare,"Never again!" At the Palace many of the not-so-attractive girls position themselves by the entrance to the main room, I. E. Between the partitions or on the stools immediately after it. So if you're walking through for the first time, those are the girls who will first accost you. I suppose their whole business model is to get the first fucks from horny noobs, for otherwise, objectively, they don't stand a chance. So, ideally, one must walk through the gauntlet, resist the pulling arms, and make it to the center of the hive, where the queens await.

Then again, when I did see a young Asian guy getting dragged to a room (she wouldn't let go of his hand was putting on her ass, on her tits, with alternations) , the chick was actually one of the hotter ones. So not a totally bad way to start his FKK experience, if it was his first.

Thursday early there was not much abuzz in the hive, so I took my time, ate breakfast, drank coffee.

AGNES.

I was sitting at the whiskey bar. A blonde walked by. It is no longer lingerie day, so more stimulation is available. She walks away, and I ogle her swaying buttocks. I get erect and know she's the most fuckable girl in the club at the moment. I figure other girls most arrive till later, but nonetheless I sipped my coffee for now. Two other mongers walked in, so I figured I'd grab the blonde, in case they were keen on quick sessions and then leaving.

A rather simple transaction. Doggystyle, wasn't so keen on missionary. She has nice boobs, but her figure wasn't entirely delicious when she was on her back. So back to doggystyle, and finish. She said my German was funny on account of my accent. She also said afterwards that since it took my so long to cum on my first fuck, that I was going to kill the second girl I was with. Also some nonsense about dick size, which I didn't believe. Anyway, simple warmup. €50. Physically satisfying, but not a transcendent experience.

END AGNES.

However, the sauna session with Mike the sauna-master was a transcendent experience. Surprised it's including with the entry fee. Just seemed like the kind of service that would cost more than €75, but then again I was the only participant in the noon session. Similarly the €50 Clubeinheit also seems rather low, especially contrasted with "escort" fees in the United States. It seems like the low fee is simply a bubble, especially given the €75 entry fee to the club, which sets the girls back two "Club-units". At the risk of attracting the ire of the Critical Monger and betraying my gross ignorance, I would not be opposed to paying a slightly higher Club-unit, I. E. One more in synch with the entry fee, if that would yield a superior baseline of service. Sure this has been debated before and my hypothesis disproven.

The Colombian clique arrived and I saw Tamara again. She looked absolute delectable topless, wearing nothing by a red tutu and killer heels. I had wanted to session with her yesterday, and especially enjoyed watch her court some other guy, for I got an amazing view of her ass as she arched his back. This was by the pool area, but once he turned her down, she apparently didn't realize that the guy on the other couch would be vulnerable to her advances. I could have been persuaded, but no attempt, so my lust for Joy won out.

Anyway, today I confirmed that I wanted to session with her now. She asked if I wanted to include her friend, Carol or Carolina, who seemed quiet, although quite the looker. I wonder if anyone has ever responded to the friend offer by saying,"I'll take your friend instead [of you]." Perhaps rather cruel, but in hindsight might have been the right thing to do, given certain complications with Tamara's performance.

TAMARA.

I told her I would have difficulty cumming and that she would have to do most of the work, since my knee was bothering me. She said that was OK. To cut to the chase, she did a lot of rather athletic reverse cowgirl. Her athleticism kept me entertained throughout the fuck, although (not to beat a dead horse) I was literally on the brink of slumber, especially after the sauna rebirth. I noticed a slight odor from her behind which slightly bothered me. Regardless, I wasn't physically capable to cumming anyway. I told her she could work for a CIM.

Now here's a the rub: it felt good, for much of the stroking and seeking I was teetering on the brink of orgasm, only I suppose there was just nothing in the tank to shoot now. I was on two thresholds at once, that between waking life and sleep, and that between equilibrium and orgasm. But her stroking was too rough and her blowjob was too toothy, simple as that. I ignored these negative sensations at the time, because they were accompanied by much pleasure. I failed to cum but tipped her for her efforts. €70.

END TAMARA.

This may have been a mistake, since the next day I noticed I had some marks, presumably from her teeth, on my cock, and also dry skin, presumably from the vigorous stroking, though perhaps simply from the many uncovered blowjobs and condom usages the day before. If I returned the Palace, I figured I would play it safe with covered blowjobs only, at least until my skin felt better.

While I was relaxing on the couch by the key desk by the rooms, I saw Samantha go to a room with an Asian guy. I checked my watch, since I was curious to time it. One must occupy oneself somehow between sessions (I actually done for the day, I just wanted to people watch and see what girls were available). The 5 minute mark passes, then 10 minutes. I get a drink at the whiskey bar, and finally after the full half hour, the couple passes by. The guy goes to get his money. Samantha looks over at me and I point to my watch, looking puzzled. She shrugs, also at a loss for an explanation as to how he lasted that long.

I leave soon enough. In the parking lot I saw an attractive young woman also exiting the club. Since I didn't remember how to get to Industriehof, I asked her for directions. I eventually understood her German, and realized what a dumb question it was. But maybe I just wanted to talk to her because she's hot. Her name was Paulina, from Slovenia.

Occultus

12-02-11, 22:30

4. SATURDAY.

Going to backtrack a bit before describing Saturday. The experiences that made the deepest impression on me on Wednesday were the fucks with Bruna and Joy. They were both physically blissful, however, I tended transfigure the experience with (or really the body of) Bruna into mystical terms, whereas with Joy there was no doubt of the supremacy of the flesh (although it may be remarked she has a tattoo, which I'll get to later). My first impression of Joy was that she was an unthinking, impulsive animal, a walking incarnation of Lust. At the personal level, this characterization is not entirely accurate, since she obviously does think, and I find her quite challenging. But at the level of symbolism, it's worth pursuing, in particular because we like to imagine that there is something intellectual about the FKK experience, that being in a club full of naked women somehow also offers a unique intellectual stimulus (as has been suggested by Rocketboy0 on the Artemis thread).

There is plenty of evidence of the existence of some intellectual stimulus, since we like to write about the FKK experience and debate certain facets of conduct ("To tip or not to tip? That is the question."). However, the abundance of evidence does not quite answer the question what this intellectual stimulus IS. I think the stimulus to the intellect is outside the province of the intellect, meaning that the stimulus, the triumph of the flesh represented by Joy, is a threat to the existence of thought. In other words, our intellectualizations are just a defense against a force more powerful, much older than Logos: simply unthinking matter.

The intellect is stimulated because its very existence is threatened. Just consider the torpor, the listless indifference we sink into after several days of sex. I've wanted to know what it was like to live with a harem, part of my purpose of an extended bender, and it's pretty clear now why the Persian Empire fell. We cease to care about duty, all masculine structure guiding the psyche collapses. At least that sounds good rhetorically.

More simply, the subject matter of debates (such as DFK or no DFK?) is less significant than the fact that the mind keeps itself alive by friction with other minds. The conclusion or resolution of any of the debates is secondary to the fact that such arguments sustain the life of the Logos. Otherwise we would simply be Circe's swine.

Maybe not. I tend to take all things to extremes, such that the casual reader (if he has made it this far) has revoked my sanity license. Not unexpected. I'm sure most mongers simply enjoy the pleasure, while still others view it as not much more significant than taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). For my part, I have the irresponsible tendency to worship feminine forces.

The counterargument to the dull categorization of the women as the flesh, the men representing the Logos (albeit tempted by the flesh) , is the prevalence of tattoos on the working girls. Not content with mere physical existence, they too, perhaps more so than us, yearn for the world of signs. At least that was how I occupied myself between sessions on Saturday and Sunday.

Anyway, on Saturday there was more of a crowd than on Wednesday, maybe revelers from Italy and also America. The lineup of girls was larger, although not terribly amazing in my opinion. I arrived around dinner time, so waited in the queue before deciding on a session. But in the line I espied an absolutely fit and voluptuous model, who turned out to be Astrid from Bulgaria. She had a large tattoo on her back, although I forget what the image was, perhaps distracted from the sign by her delightful flesh. She remained naked in line, in the full light of the restaurant. I suggested briefly to her that I'd be interested in a session when she was free.

In the main room as I walked towards the pool, I saw a beautiful blonde. She turned and walked towards me. I thought for a second she was Gina, but it was not meant to me. Instead, this was Anna from Moldova, a fake blonde, quite hot. But moving around suspiciously fast, which should have warned me she just wanted to make quick business. A youthful trot, no slow seductive entrapment from her.

Another German girl approached me, she introduced herself as Kiara from Berlin. I confess I was a bit disappointed, since I had imagined her to a veritable vision, based on the reports in this thread, the myth circulating about her. Her boob job did not strike me as so favorable, her face not so ravishing, her body a bit too linearized for my taste. Yet we foolishly judge things by our imagination of what they are, rather than what they are. I regret my stubbornness somewhat.

ASTRID 1.

Astrid appeared again and I asked her for a session. She was hotter than most pornstars in the United States who work for $700+/hr, but simply did not have the famous name they do. For me, going to the room with her was simply common sense, although she did not seem like much of a talker. But my eyes were mesmerized, so the lack of intimacy went unnoticed.

It was a very simple session. I requested a condom for the blowjob, due to the issues on Thursday, which obviously wasn't a problem for her. Then I had sexual intercourse with her in missionary until I ejaculated, and I enjoyed it immensely. Obviously a super simple session for her, so she was surprised that I was satisfied, but I reassured her this was the case. She was also surprised that I asked her to spread her legs, rather than raise them closer together for deeper penetration. But I told her, it was easier for me to see her body, in particular her abs, with her legs spread apart, that for the visual stimulus overrode concerns about the depth of the penetration. €50.

For me, she's already done more than half the work by staying in shape and souping up her breasts. Astrid has long brown hair, said she lives in Berlin. On Saturday she wore lovely turquoise eyeshadow.

END ASTRID 1.

Between sessions I lounged around in the main room, turning down many advances, and just watching the nude pair of silikonisiert babes, apparently booked for some guy's birthday party. The chicks were dancing, the Moet and Chandon was flowing, it appeared to be a good time. My interest was sitting near the girls are staring at their bodies. The fake blonde was Beatriz from Malta, the short-haired brunette Mirella from Belgrad. Both are incredibly fit, sexy with strong musculature. If they were not occupied, I was seriously tempted to do a threesome with them and ejaculate on both their pairs of breasts. Crude, and I probably didn't have the volume for such a "feat" anyway.

Some girls were busy, some were not, since the crowd was not overflowing by any means. I noticed that (as on other days) Angelina (Romania) was making swift business. This surprised me, since I initially had an aversion to her, on account of her treacherous voice and false advertisement of Egypt. I wondered how she had seduced so many men, while seemingly more desirable girls waited for work.

I noticed Samantha was somehow free, walking arm in arm with another girl, a brunette. I asked her for a session, she said, Yes, but also offered a threesome, which I immediately declined without looking at her friend. I'm not sure what the most polite way to do this is. For if I did look at her friend, and then say No, then it would appear I'd be making the decision based on her friend, rather than declining out of principle (ignoring my stray fantasy above). So I just say "No thanks" automatically without turning my head.

SAMANTHA.

So we walked to the room, arm in arm."Du bist die Schoenste," I told her. She said thanks gracefully, as in thanks for confirming the truth, not revealing anything new.

And we talked for a while. I forget all the details, but every opportunity she got, she reminded me of my lust for Joy, apparently amused by my indulgences on Wednesday. Talked about her tattoos for a bit. She has a Marilyn Monroe tattoo on one of her thighs (the right?)."You know why?" she said."Why?" I replied. Tone of deadly seriousness: "Because she fucked Kennedy." And Samantha admired how the woman was able to insinuate herself with power."But you wouldn't really want to fuck Obama?" I joked."We shall see," she replied.

The session was a seamless interleaving of conversation and sex. I can't really express how it lifted the soul. On an amusing note, when we were having some difficulties with missionary (my dick kept on slipping out) , she said,"Didn't we have this problem last time?" But I reminded her,"No, didn't even make it to missionary last time. I came after a minute in doggy." Playfully guilty face on her part. Anyway, we switched to my favorite with her (doggy) and I finished. Then we talked about her motivations for going into prostitution, before she had to return to work. Not quoting everything she said, of course, but this was the best (or second best) experience of my trip. €60 since I tipped her €10.

For the Critical Monger, this session ran nearly the full 30 mins. Not every act was requested or offered, but it was the intersection of two souls. I enjoyed the experience physically and got to know her better as a person. We walked arm in arm back to the lockers.

END SAMANTHA.

Nothing terribly exciting the rest of the night. I was still tempted by Mirella and Beatriz, who were still engaged in birthday entertainment for another guest. My judgment was clouded by these lusts, for I decided to repeat with Astrid, because her body still tempted me and was similar to the two I wanted.

ASTRID 2.

This was an uneventful session. I was too exhausted to cum in any position. She said,"I know your type. It's really time for you to go home and sleep." She was right although I lingered in the club for a bit. The over-indulgence and lack of sleep were finally catching up to me. She recommended that I adopt a carb-free diet, to which I responded "Why?" contracting my stomach muscles. She then confessed that she hated her carb-free diet and it was killing her, although it was necessary to keep her body in shape. She said she's been lazy about it lately, which has caused her to gain weight. I reassured her that her body looked perfect to me, but she disagreed. Later seeing Angelina (Spain) made me realize what she had to compare her body to. Anyway, €50.

END ASTRID 2

Member #4243

12-02-11, 22:53

Some of the best reading of the year. How do you link to reports of distinction? Well done occultus

Occultus

12-03-11, 00:35

5. SUNDAY.

I actually didn't want to return to the Palace on Sunday, I was rather spent, not to mention bored of it, although of course once you get in and see naked girls that changes a bit. In any case, I woke up around 10 AM, but went back to bed, not waking up until 5 PM. So the sun was already down, I had squandered the entire day. So dinner at the Palace would be my breakfast, as I let myself slide into a nocturnal existence. I could have done something else, but I just didn't feel like thinking of alternatives. Obviously I may have been wiser to try another club. But I did not feel that I had by any means exhausted the lineup at Palace. Furthermore, I intended to visit Oase in the summer. And I was trying to make myself sick of the Palace, so I wouldn't be in any rush to go back, and perhaps even retire from mongering altogether. Around this time I started experiencing a slight nausea, although never to the point of dizziness.

On Sunday I started by finished half of what I wanted to do on Saturday night: Beatriz from Malta. She was wearing black net dress that covered her entire body, yet concealed nothing (indeed, you could fuck her through it). As soon as I sat down, she rose to approach me, slowly, confidently, a huntress who has fascinated her prey. She more or less persuaded me, when my hand reached for her breasts. She blocked me, indicated no breast play without a promise of a session. I told her I was sure, but dinner opened in 10 minutes, so I asked "Do you want to session now or after dinner?" An immediate "Now."

BEATRIZ.

So we go to the room. Since my dick still isn't feeling 100% after the beating on Thursday (still some dry skin) , I request that she use a condom for the blowjob. She says, Yes, of course, and also informs me that she only gives covered blowjobs, for the uncovered is so unsafe."You should really always do it covered." I shrugged, I had heard it before, she believed what she was saying and may have known better than me. She backed it up as principle, saying "I lose a lot of money, because of this, but I don't want to take any chances." In any case, she was hot, her technique was good, the barrier between her lips and my cock didn't matter.

Now for the moment of vaginal penetration. I requested that she completely remove her clothes, I. E. The netted dress, which was quite sexy, but I like pure skin. She asked me if I was 100% sure, because the dress was hard to take off and put back on. I said I was sure, and helped her remove her stitches of clothing. She began in a remarkably athletic variation of cowgirl. Rather than resting on my body, leaning forward, or kneeling on the bed while she rode, instead she supported herself entirely with her feet with some balancing with the hands. Otherwise she squatted up and down on my cock for several minutes. It was really the most athletic sexual display to which I was treated.

We switched to doggystyle and the sensation was amazing, the view of her body from behind amazing. As much as I loved her breasts, I did not want to switch positions, as though I was bound by some sort of necessity. Eventually the pleasure heightened and intensified until a stream of semen surged out of me into her. I was still holding her by the waist and began reading the tattoo on her lower back,"Lo que no me mata me hace mas fuerte."

She started talking to me about what kind of customers she likes, and especially what kinds she doesn't like. I guess she wanted to use me as a sounding board, which was fine. We returned the lockers where I payed her €50. She put her arm around me and said,"Let me know if you want to repeat later. I leave at 9:30."

END BEATRIZ.

ANNA.

Anna is a hot fake blonde from Moldova. She got the better of me as I was recovering, thanks to her pretty face, stylish makeup and hair, not to mention erect nipples. And she felt delightful to hold. I lost the power of refusal.

She said she is 26, but she's really just a kid, I mean psychologically, that's the vibe she gives. An energetic youth, trying to make quick cash, not a mature woman (although who may also be trying to make quick cash). Again the condom for the blowjob, I believe her technique was OK. We fucked for a while in doggystyle, then missionary. But then she decides I won't be able to cum in her vagina and rushes for a CIM extra. I say,"No", she doesn't listen, so I repeat myself. She continues to suck my cock, so I say No loudly and firmly (as though to say "can't you listen?"). At this she stops and looks scared. She asks if I'm angry with her.

I explain I was minutes away from orgasm into her and I was indeed rather annoyed. Furthermore we were only 10 minutes into the session. But she claims 20. I say maybe, since my claim was just an estimate. I debate just ending the session then and there, but lingering lust leads me to force her to redo the blowjob to restore my hardness and lay on her back for more missionary, which she obediently accepted, although one of her reasons for interrupting the thrusting earlier was the supposed pain.

The mood was destroyed and I couldn't come, in spite of her physical allures. I pulled out before the 30 minute mark, ending the session. While we return to the lockers she tries to walk 20 paces ahead of me, I take my time (the sandals are actually bothering my feet by now). I give her the €50 and she turns a cheek and says,"Sorry." I suppose she's pulled that "You can't cum, you must CIM trick" countless times.

First genuinely bad session. Would have been more gentlemanly had I terminated it immediately upon her attempted upsell. Also, I'm not MD by education or experience, but I find the pain plea hard to believe in a women who makes a living having sex several times a day. Her vagina is a muscle, so it must be in good shape.

On the plus side, I hadn't come, so I could do another session sooner rather than later.

END ANNA.

MIRELLA.

The second half of my unfinished business from Saturday. It deserves mentioning that Mirella pole-dancing talent is absolutely incredible, her strength and technique make her display well worth watching. This was Saturday.

On Sunday she approaches me by the whiskey bar, her arms resting on the back of a stool, body leaning forward slightly, her gorgeous (albeit bionic) boobies on full display. We talk for a bit and then she asks me what I have to say."I can say nothing more." "Except Yes?" "Yes." And so we went to the room. A bit of mild upsell when I requested a normal session. I simply offered to leave, but she said "No, stay." I believe she expected I would try to milk everything out of her for €50, but whatever the opinion of the Critical Monger, that is not my style. I prefer to accommodate the lady and give her a stress-free session that I also enjoy, whatever it costs me in respect as a man. Furthermore, I get the impression that many girls are on edge going into the room, expecting a verbal dispute, so they pull out the upsell simply to get an immediate edge on you. For them it's not just about the money, but also the level of stress they have to put up with during the sessions. If I give them €50 without a hassle, then they may offer more the next session, and so on. Just the perspective of a foreigner with simple needs.

The tension diffused somewhat when I requested a condom for the blowjob."No, that's not a problem," she said, surprised. My dick ready to penetrate her, she then asked what position I would like. I just said,"Missionary," which surprised her again. She is very athletic and is probably capable of all sorts of exotic positionings. But I just wanted to look at her breasts while I had sexual intercourse with her. I got what I wanted. Furthermore, she squeezed her breasts together, the visual sensation ultimately stirring my loins to eruption.

Simple, I enjoyed it, especially since I had wanted to fuck her yesterday. It's rare we can fulfill our wishes so easily. We definitely didn't stay in the room the full 30, but on the way to the lockers a conversation arose about languages, mostly in German because her German is better than her English. Apparently she was interested, because I had to eventually excuse myself to pay her €50.

END MIRELLA.

I thought I had one more shot in me, but was in no rush since there were still a few hours to closing. I enjoyed a second dinner (lunch, really) and ogled the talent in the restaurant. There was a really petite Thai or Filipina girl, with a beautiful face, but I wasn't sure about going with a woman of that size. But I was definitely tempted by the Spanish brunette wearing nothing but a sash around her waist, and buttocks that drove me to distraction.

ANGELINA (SPAIN)

After recuperating for a bit, I found Angelina. She is a brunette, her boob job is not the best, but her physical fitness (if you compare her and Astrid, you'll know why Astrid believes she's fat) and splendid assets decided me. Objectively, a rather simple session. She blew my cock and I entered her vagina from behind, slowly massaging her buttocks. I couldn't get out of doggystyle, I just kept on thrusting, a prisoner to the pleasure. I eventually I climbed to the peak and sent a load crashing into her. A very simple, objectively banal session. But the physical pleasure was on Joy levels. AST about Spain, economics, athletics, and so on. Like many of the girls, Angelina insists that she keeps herself in shape for herself, that the primary factor is not that her job requires her to have a fuckable body. €50.

The extreme physical pleasure though would set the stage for my downfall on the following night.

END ANGELINA (SPAIN)

Before I approached Angelina (Spain) , I was approached again by Angelina (Romania). We were talking matter of factly, and I mentioned that she was doing very good business."I always do good business. You want to try?" I said "maybe later," so she asked,"why not now?" I took a liberty, since we were already speaking familiarly: "You're not my type." She was initially stung, I shouldn't have said something so rude in retrospect, but I meant no offense, since I already indicated to her I believed she was a quality professional. She counters,"Not your type, eh? Well, why don't you look in the mirror and ask yourself whose type you are." That hurt. But then she said,"I mean no offense, just something to think about." I did think about it, and realized that from her point of view, the luxury of going with "your type" is ludicrous, since she constantly has to approach guys that are not her type.

I had been eyeing two other girls this evening: Janita (Bulgaria) and Paulina (Slovenia). Paulina was quite hot, but I also wanted to go with her because we had talked outside the club, had had some real interaction, notwithstanding the proximity of the Palace. However, I confused the two, believing Paulina to be Janita, probably deluding myself because Janita was indeed hotter, real model looks in my opinion. I would not be surprised to see her face on the cover of a magazine. She displays her knowledge of fashion even in the restricted FKK dresscode. Paulina was also quite stylish (stately hair style with blonde streaks) , but I saw Janita first when I was ready and sealed the deal.

Well, what really happened was that I approached the Thai or Filipina girl in the whiskey bar, she seemed to be just talking with guys, but not doing business. But she did not respond, then immediately Janita emerged from the women's locker room.

JANITA.

She confirms that she is Janita and not Paulina as we walk to the room, but is not offended, since Paulina is her friend (saw them in a threesome earlier). I've written a lot, probably too much at this point, so writing stamina is flagging. This was an excellent session, Janita is a top provider with or without extras. We talked, fucked, talked, etc. Another seamless interleaving of conversation and sex, though not the same as with Samantha on Saturday, since the conversation was more ordinary. Janita took it upon herself to make fashion recommendations to me, in particular cutting my hair ("Die haare schneiden," she kept on saying, while making a scissors motion with her fingers) , and getting better glasses, although I told her I had simply bought the cheapest frame I could find.

Fucking her in every position was amazing. But my stamina had reached its breaking point. I tried to cum on her tits, while she pleasured herself with a toy. Of all girls, when she lies on her back with her legs spread, her vagina (vulva really) is the most tempting. I haven't talked much about tactile sensations, but she also has the softest, silkiest skin.

But we reached the end of the session and I could not ejaculate. She made me promise I would return tomorrow and session with her first, so I could cum. Who could refuse? €60, since she put me in a good mood. I'm always tempted to tip when a girl also puts me in a good mood, in addition to the physical pleasure, but don't do so unless the session has also run its full duration.

Janita has dyed blonde hair, is somewhat short but certainly not too short. Her boobs are C / D cup, she likes to wear a bra, although her breasts don't need the support, it's just style, and she keeps the boobs fully exposed anyway. Her nipples are larger than average and almost lifted me out of my lethargy to COB orgasm. Janita's face: it's clear when she's standing up, that she knows how to put herself together, but are her features naturally beautiful? Well, when she's laying down, looking back up at you, smiling, she looks angelic.

I wish I had made her acquaintance earlier in the bender.

END JANITA

Toscana

12-03-11, 22:36

Great reporting. Thank you for taking such trouble.

I have just one question: why Palace? LOL.

Just joking. Your choice. Great stuff.

Gergiev

12-04-11, 03:08

Feels like Basketcase has died and been re-incarnated as Occultus. :)

About porn. Ignoring the fact that much of high art is pornographic, porn in the softcore and hardcore varieties desensitizes the mind to visual display, most importantly naked women within one's field of vision, which is the ultimate joy of the FKK experience. So why wouldn't I want to enjoy this in full, I reasoned? Physiologically, desensitization limits the quality of your erections, especially those that are spontaneous responses to visual sensations. Finally, porn is also pernicious in that it predisposes one to a voyeuristic (rather than interactive) sexuality, such that one is not entirely at ease when his sex object can look back at him and talk to him. Sounds crazy, but these are (in my opinion) issues totally relevant to the generation growing up when the Internet came to prominence in the '90's and beyond. Meanwhile, masturbation of course predisposes one to prefer one's own hand to the woman's vagina, a rather sad perversion, that also diminishes the heterosexual drive.Actually a very good point.

I read an article a while back about the fact that many Americans are so saturated with porn that their wives' undressing and naked proximity has no erotic impact on them at all.

(There's probably a counter argument about the attitudes of US women but let's not get into that here).

But there's a valid theory in your paragraph above.

Great reports Occultus and writing obviously suits you very well...

VG

Occultus

12-04-11, 04:06

Great reporting. Thank you for taking such trouble.

I have just one question: why Palace? LOL.

Just joking. Your choice. Great stuff.Thanks for reading, Toscana. Yeah, the choice of Palace probably merits criticism, but there were some rational reasons for the choice. The club is in Frankfurt, so accessible by public transit from the airport. I can't drive (legally I can, but have only done so about 3 times in my life) , which rules out renting a car, or alternatively forces me to take a taxi to access other clubs. I don't smoke, so I like how Palace has segregated smoking areas. As for food, I was planning on extended visits, and know Palace's food is good, and have heard it is comparatively better than that at other clubs. Finally, it's cold now and the club facilities are entirely indoors.

The irrational (and probably overriding) reason is simply a boy being blindly loyal to his first love, before he knew (or rather had heard of) anything else. So although I plan on branching out in the future (definitely Oase) , I felt I had unfinished business at that place.

Feels like Basketcase has died and been re-incarnated as Occultus. .

Actually a very good point.

I read an article a while back about the fact that many Americans are so saturated with porn that their wives' undressing and naked proximity has no erotic impact on them at all.

(There's probably a counter argument about the attitudes of US women but let's not get into that here).

But there's a valid theory in your paragraph above.

Great reports Occultus and writing obviously suits you very well.

VGThanks for reading, Gergiev.

About the article: I'm not married, but I totally believe this. And of course the great big pharma company selling the blue pills wants us to believe it's organic failure.

Also, I noticed that after my first visit in August, memories of the experience, the video in my brain, aroused me more than the actual flesh and blood experience at the time. It bothered me that I enjoyed such things more when they were in the past than when they were in the present. But I'm pleased to say, now the reverse prevails with me.

I had one more part planned. I know this is kinda repetitive, so I'll try to compress this next post.

Occultus

12-04-11, 05:32

6. monday.

going to try to avoid more cliche sex scenes and just give some final impressions.

going to back to the porn discussion in the previous post, i suspect (or rather know) that the dire consequences of porn are known, but given the frozen political ideology prevalent in this country (usa) , no one knows how to approach the problem. specifically, the "left" feels it has to protect "freedom of expression" (quotes because the original "speech" refers to text, not visual media) , so porn is ok, although at the same time it must appease the feminists, so "some porn" is not ok, and so on. but the point i want to make, is that people (massive armies of straw men, yeah, sorry) assume once an authoritative argument against something has been "disproven" (i. e. you won't in fact go to hell if you watch porn or masturbate) , that in fact the prohibited action must be totally ok, that there was no deeper wisdom in the ancient taboo.

when i went back to the palace on monday, i didn't want to go again (the soundtrack was looping for me, all the bartenders knew by heart my drink preferences) , but figured i might as well in case janita showed up at 6 to session with me, which i thought was cool. it's bizarre though, as much as a quality provider she was, with or without extras (though in this session i still too tired to finish normally, so she used her mouth to facilitate the conclusion) , joy through her sharky confrontational behavior made a more lasting impression on my mind. i suppose it's natural that we like the combat, we like a woman that challenges us.

i've read about and experienced first hand the sharky attitude of many girls at that palace, but i think this is just another case of a more general phenomenon: the war between the sexes. prostitution just happens to be the front lines.

as a result, you may lose some battles, but victory is more satisfying, even if it's illusory. but nothing wrong with scoring points in an addictive role-playing game.

my curiosity overcame my aversion to angelina (romania). she is the girl with marius tattoo that has been mentioned in this thread. she is no gfe, but very psychologically engaging. i saw her masturbating and working the evil eye to tempt four italian mongers in the pool, and offered an apology for my rudeness the day before. obviously, she immediately moved in for the kill. but her body felt so soft, her breasts so natural, that now her conspiratorial voice now had its allure. also, excess of sexual satisfaction predisposed me to search an alternative stimulation today, and that was angelina (romania).

when i asked for a condom for the blowjob (for the aforementioned reasons) , she said,"why? are you scared?" well that was a change. in sexual intercourse, i was again too exhausted to finish, but accepted a handjob. excellent technique aside, what impressed me was the intensity in her eyes. she enjoyed pleasuring me, but that look betrayed that she would enjoy torturing me all the more, that these strokes were a mere foretaste of her ultimate gift. she especially relished transporting me into involuntary deep breaths, as though i was drowning in pleasure, gasping for air.

as for her advertised country of origin, egypt, she can speak a little arabic (perhaps has worked in dubai) , so when we were done, she said "this means good afternoon." i said,"ah cool." then she said,"and this means let's go."

in my third session with samantha we continued right where we left off with the previous. mostly conversation in the beginning, in which i betrayed my concerns i had given joy offense by not repeating with her, concerns she assured me were ludicrous. i wasn't even in the mood for sex initially, i just liked samantha, but of course the fact that she was next to me, warm, and naked changed things soon enough. and yeah, it was enjoyable to defile like an animal the woman i had just been talking with. when her defilement was complete, she turned around to kiss and cuddle.

samantha wants to be the next gina wild, which means she already has a breast augmentation scheduled, that she might more closely resemble the german sex icon she admires so much. samantha keeps me interested because she seeks power through sex, and is aware of this lust of hers.

rather than try a new girl for my last session, i made another circular choice, catching sight a bit too much times of angelina from spain (with whom i had had a good session the day before). she tries to upsell anal, in an evil sounding voice, i counter that her pussy is tight enough. she then tries the tired (she was tired tonight, should have not have gotten her off the couch),"what's your fantasy?" i reply,"you're my fantasy," which really wasn't a lie at the moment. anyway, she eventually goes into a position i don't like, and my erection loses its resolve. i want to return to the position i like with her (duh, doggystyle) , but she argues the usual,"you can't cum, i'll give you a handjob." i just say,"i don't care whether i cum or not, i just want to fuck you from behind." "well, that's kinda ludicrous since you've lost your erection." and for some reason i stay in the room. she asks about sex in america and i mention some escorts, but repeat that $400 an hour is a ripoff. she tries to convince me that full service in an fkk is also €400: which i thought was ludicrous. she then mentions that she also works as an escort,"but it's not fucking all day, it's also about going out to a restaurant and having a good time," as though i was somehow in the wrong for just wanting to fuck her for the half hour.

anyway, i eventually surrendered the €50, and my mood was shattered. i debated whether to try another girl, or just cut my losses: i was tired, it was time to pack up.

my melancholy colored my morning thoughts the following day. the final experience clouded the rest, shrouded the whole, as a thick blanket of fog lay over frankfurt. titles "death in frankfurt" or "fear and loathing in frankfurt" found their way to my pages. the coffee in the airport cafe brightened my mood a bit. i said,"oh, well, all's well that ends." dream, nightmare, at least i was about to wake up. the skies had not yet cleared when i boarded the plane. there was a slight delay, but only on account of fueling. eventually the plane took off and its altitude steadily increased. i took out my notebook. just then, the plane broke through the cloud cover and the cabin was flooded with light.

Syzygies

12-04-11, 06:17

Feels like Basketcase has died and been re-incarnated as Occultus. :)I can tell from the style that its very unlikely to be BC, who I do know personally.

BC doesn't bother to write any more.

Luckystar24

12-05-11, 04:01

She's not working at Palace anymore. She was seen at Sharks, but not in the last weeks. No idea where she is.

HBA shame that she's gone missing. If you see her, be sure to let us know.

Thanks in advance.

Gergiev

12-06-11, 03:18

I can tell from the style that its very unlikely to be BC, who I do know personally.

BC doesn't bother to write any more.Syzygies, I wasn't implying that Occultus is Basketcase in disguise.

There are many little details in the writing that would suggest otherwise.

I meant that Occultus' comprehensive style of reporting reminded me of Basketcase's extensive write-ups.

Both are (or were!) very enjoyable to read...

VG

Sebastiane

12-07-11, 04:45

Meeps77

12-07-11, 06:18

I'll be at Palace and / or Oase from 12/24-30, including Christmas day. Does anyone have experience with this time of year to tell me if things slow down? Is it going to be an issue do you think?

Input will be appreciated. Thanks.

Meeps

Occultus

12-07-11, 08:58

Occultus!

Sir, that was a wonderful series of detailed reports. I have not been to Palace since July 2010 after being a regular monger (I used to live and work in FFM) there and.

Oft times miss it terribly but your reports-and those of others on ISG-make it easier to bide the time until I get to pay a return visit to Palace. I've planned a couple of visits.

Since then but Destiny has been cruel and I've had to abandon them.

Still, I loved reading your detailed writing. Did you not go with blonde German Saskia? She was, for me at least, a dream girl. A Vision. Something like what St Paul experienced on.

The road to Damascus. And how come you didn't session with Maya either?

Thanks again for rekindling so many fond memories and creating new ones.

Just on a more mundane note-if you don't mind-how much did your total Palace marathon cost?Sybarite, thanks for reading. I too enjoy reading reports about the place when I can't get back any time soon, so I'm glad my report at least momentary sated your longings.

Unfortunately, I did not go with Saskia, and somehow I did not speak with her one on one, so I'm not sure which German blonde she is. I neglected to report that she was there Thursday, which I learned indirectly from a fellow monger in the restaurant, who had had an enjoyable session with her. I would have asked him to point her out to me, but on that day I had to leave Frankfurt early, so my time was limited. I strayed from the road to Damascus (like your image of course!) , forsook it for the road to Karlsruhe.

As for Maya, I apologize, I don't really remember her too well. What I do remember is that at the time I made her acquaintance, I had had 6 sessions already, and my mind was preoccupied with my vendetta with Joy. So I don't think I was processing the external world all too clearly.

As I discovered though, it's hard to balance the drive to session with icons on this forum and the drive to session with girls (who may not be so well known) that stir my fancy at the moment. I missed my opportunities to hook up with Czech Gina and German Kiara.

As for total costs, well, I included the individual cost of each session in the report, those can be added up, but I'll send you a PM with these details.

Hessen Bub

12-07-11, 18:11

It will be a lot slower than now, lot's of girls go home for Christmas.

HB

Meeps77

12-07-11, 21:42

It will be a lot slower than now, lot's of girls go home for Christmas.

HBThanks. Will it be so slow that it won't be worth the trip? I've booked a flight and hotel and could cut my losses at $150 and travel another time. But to escape from work / family obligations now is the best.

I know you don't have a crystal ball of course, but I'm wondering if it'll be so slow that I won't have any good choices at palace or the other clubs. When palace said they were open I figured "how slow could it be of they aren't closing their doors for at least Christmas." perhaps I'm wrong!

Sebastiane

12-08-11, 01:15

Occultus

12-08-11, 10:14

Occultus,

THanks for the reply. Sorry, I wrote Maya when I meant Martha (from Colombia I think?). Tall, brunette, supermodel body. BTW, how come you use

All these metaphors and similes from Christian theology?I don't believe I met Martha from Colombia.

As for the second question, it is harder to give an exact answer. I don't know yet, because this is a recent trend in my thought. Typically, I would avoid the Christian tradition and prefer Greek paganism and / or Nietzsche. But recently the paranoia of Christianity toward the sexual, towards the wh0re, has fascinated me, as though it may actually be some twisted sort of love in disguise, a deep longing for something felt to be hellishly dangerous. And that's how I feel about the Palace and wh0ring in general: a desire, a longing, that could devour all my cash, alienate me from my family, and so on. My lust frightens me. Somewhat.

More simply, I want to conflate love carnal and divine. I really think there's a spiritual aspect to this hobby, especially with the quickened psychical transformations it affords. In a sense, to make love to a woman is to be reborn. Reincorporation into the female body through intercourse.

I don't know, I just think descriptions, such as allusions to Greek mythology, don't really capture the seriousness of what's at stake; that paganism has somehow become shallow (notwithstanding its monopoly on archetypes, such as Oedipus complex).

Baudelaire also explored Christianity in this way. For him, interest in the good for its own sake was nonexistent. He might defend ethics solely as a bulwark against the chaos of human nature (for he opposed Rousseau). But really his interest in the Christian religion was simply as a strong stimulant. He didn't really believe it, but it gave him a kick to think about the prospect of damnation. In other words, he enjoyed terror, once beauty bored him. And as an artist he had no qualms about self-delusion.

I guess the best answer is that in my madness the Palace has assumed a paradisaical character in my imagination. Is it Heaven or I am just seduced by the Wh0re of Babylon? The rational answer is neither: I'm just discharging sexual energy in a somewhat inconvenient way. But the aim of my report was not to simply describe the place, but also the subjectivity of the wanderer who has returned after a long absence.

I could go on, but it would be rather discursive. But I'd be more than happy to continue this conversation via PM.

Euro100

12-08-11, 14:52

Thanks. Will it be so slow that it won't be worth the trip? I've booked a flight and hotel and could cut my losses at $150 and travel another time. But to escape from work / family obligations now is the best.

I know you don't have a crystal ball of course, but I'm wondering if it'll be so slow that I won't have any good choices at palace or the other clubs. When palace said they were open I figured "how slow could it be of they aren't closing their doors for at least Christmas." perhaps I'm wrong!Please do not get the impression that there will be nobody in the clubs. Yes, there are fewer girls. Definitely. But how many does one really need? Three or four good ones should do it for most of our needs. And in my experience the average session has been better during the times where relatively few girls remain behind and have not gone off for vacation.

Plus, when you go to Frankfurt during Christmas time you can go to the Römer and enjoy the Christmas-market. Pretty nice change of pace from all the club visits. (definitely no sex there, though)

Angus Magee

12-08-11, 15:16

Please do not get the impression that there will be nobody in the clubs. Yes, there are fewer girls. Definitely. But how many does one really need? Three or four good ones should do it for most of our needs. And in my experience the average session has been better during the times where relatively few girls remain behind and have not gone off for vacation.

Plus, when you go to Frankfurt during Christmas time you can go to the Römer and enjoy the Christmas-market. Pretty nice change of pace from all the club visits. (definitely no sex there, though) While I can say it is the same for Palace I have for the past years always made a point to visit Artemis in the time between Christmas and New Years. The number of girls is down, this can not be denied. But the atmosphere at the club is in my opinion better than at almost any other time of the year. The girls know it will not be busy at this time and that many of the customers are regulars, the tourist numbers are down. I find them as a result way more relaxed and willing to sit and chat and tease for a time before heading to the room. As I say, I am not sure Palace is the same but I imagine it to be similar.

AM

Meeps77

12-08-11, 16:34

Kirch

12-08-11, 18:56

Thanks for this input guys. On previous trips I had spent whole days at fkk's and obviously noticed a change in quantity and quality between day and night shifts. Even during day you still found what you wanted, but there wasn't as many stunners. Do you think this time of year will be slower like the day shift even in the night?

What is this Christmas market you mention?

Again, thank you. And expect my reports when I return.Forget about the Christmas time! I know that the clubs try to convince every single girl to stay there as so many of them go home for Christmas. Even the CIS girls go home for Christmas even though their Christmas start in January. No difference between daytime and nighttime shifts. Sometimes they come earlier and can go earlier, sometimes they come later and have to stay later. Rules in the clubs.

Basementcello

12-09-11, 00:06

Hello, all, I'd like to say a big thanks to all for the great advice, positive and negative reviews on this forum. Because of ISG, I was able to experience and fully enjoy my first FKK club visit last week to Palace in Frankfurt. I thought I should post a review and my thoughts on the whole FKK experience, for the very minuscule 2 cents that they're worth. I've put some directions and other information for newbies who might be wondering what they can expect at the top of this post. You might want to skip it, if you're a seasoned FKK man! Apologies for the lack of names as I can't remember names very well. Perhaps the regulars would know better than I.

Directions etc.

Palace is really easy to reach on the public transport system in Frankfurt. You need to get the U6 or U7 train to Industriehof. From the centre of Frankfurt, the U6/7 passes through the Haupt-wache station. This can be reached on foot from the Hauptbahnhof station or Willy Brandt Plaza (where the European Central Bank is) fairly easily. A one-way ticket from anywhere in Frankfurt to Palace is €2. 40 with changes, just make sure you select the number 50 from the ticket machines to get this ticket. When you get to industriehof (the first stop as the train ascends from the tunnel) , cross over to the left side of the platform and then continue across the busy road. There is a curtain wall going the length of the road, go through the gap in the wall and continue straight alongside the office buildings there. When you cross over the roundabout, Palace is on the left, about 150m from the station.

For any newbies who might be wondering, Palace is very foreigner friendly and the staff speak excellent English. When you pay your €75 entry fee, they give you a coded wrist band that you can pay for booze with, a bath robe and locker key for the changing room and small valuables locker. Your slippers will be inside your locker and there are clean towels available throughout the club. The only thing you should probably pack for your day is a toothbrush, toothpaste and whatever toiletries you need as only basic body wash is available in the shower room.

The report.

On a cold Thursday, with jet lag from the long flight from Tokyo clouding my head, I finally got to try the infamous Palace, have some relaxation and rid my FKK virginity. Life is indeed good. I had heard all the good and bad stories, and whilst many had suggested Oase or Mainhattan, the reputation of Palace as a home of the best, if somewhat sharky girls swayed me. As I had only one day to visit Palace, I started my visit early; waltzing through the front doors at a rather prompt eleven in the morning with a fat beaming grin on my face. A top tip to the business traveller, the locker I had in Palace was very small, and I had to balance my clothes and small shoulder bag in a rather precarious pile, which invariably toppled out of the locker whenever I opened it. Forget taking a case there or any other big bag. After a shower and tying on my rather fetching bathrobe, I made my grand entrance onto the main floor which was.

Dead. Well, it was a Thursday before lunch, so what did I expect? There were less than 10 guys there and about as many girls, definitely not enough to fill up the rather spacious club. However, as time passed, more and more girls arrived and there was always a ratio of more than one girl to each guy. Let me say that the experience of being around so many beautiful naked women (who will fuck you) walking around for 5-6 hours is something every man should experience! I still can't get over how amazing it is. The girls themselves ranged from the acceptable / adequate to the downright gorgeous. There were different ethnicities and types of girl, but blonde Europeans dominated. Some ISG guys wonder if the girls are all naked, and to answer this question I would say that they were all in 'various states of undress'. Around half of the girls had some kind of stocking or corset and the rest were naked, save for the stripper heels. All the girls had their tits and pussies on open display at all times; heaven! Whilst some had too many tattoos for my liking, there were certainly no girls there I would not be able to fuck, which was good enough for me.

Round 1:

Following advice from the forum, I avoided the Sharks hanging around the entrance through polite excuses and smiles. One blonde girl trying to pick me up called me "Darrling." every time she saw me in a horrible accent which made her sound like a Russian drag queen, and put me off her for the whole visit. Another heavily tattooed German girl kept threatening to 'kidnap' me, take me to a room, and fuck me silly which had a more threatening than erotic overtone. Once you have turned down a couple of them, you're generally safe. After a relaxing sauna and shower, I had a cigarette in the smoking lounge and looked for my first girl. If you are a smoker, the lounge is the definite pick up point for the girls, as you can hang out with the girls as they relax without too much pressure to get a-screwing. As I was walking past the computer near the rooms, I caught the eye of a beautiful curvy brunette checking her mail. We got chatting and she was a Columbian girl (Carol?) , with luscious eyes, gorgeous tits and poor English. After she grew increasingly bemused at my awful attempts at speaking schoolboy Spanish, she opted to start kissing me as we stood in the corridor instead, which was far more pleasurable. We took a room nearby; had great deep kissing followed by hand job and a nice slow BBBJ. I went down on her for a while to return the favour, I strapped up and we had some decent sex in a few positions. At the locker, I paid the rather paltry €50 to her, had another kiss and we parted. No up-selling, and no high pressure tactics. Now where are these sharky girls I've heard about?

Round 2:

After round one, I took a stroll round the club. The restaurant was kind of disappointing. As a cheap motel buffet type place it does the job I suppose. Watching the girls walk in and eat naked was probably the highlight for me, to whoever designed the FKK club idea, I salute you. I left me wondering. Is it good or bad form to try and pick up girls who are eating their lunch? Answers on a postcard. I went into the infamous kino (cinema) , saw an old man spread-eagled on the cushions getting vigorously sucked off by the woman with the drag queen voice, and promptly walked out. Instead I went to the massage room at the back and had a nice (though not very powerful) massage from a rather stern looking German lady in her forties. Another tip, bring your money to the massage room as you have to pay in cash. I had to take the stern lady to the lockers to pay her, which made it look to everyone else like I had just had a session with her. Ugh!

By now, I was relaxed and ready for round 2. There were now many girls to choose from, and every gent really was spoiled for choice. At a whim, I said Hello, to a short Hungarian blonde girl who walked into the club to start her shift. She had gorgeous tits and a fairly cute face on a definite spinner body. We had a chat on the sofa then onto a room. She wasn't into kissing or DATY, and it was much more businesslike, but to be honest, I didn't mind. She had the smoothest, most wonderful body to kiss and touch, she gave great head and had a really tight snatch. I couldn't fuck her for long as she felt so good and I finished rapidly and lay breathless in FKK bliss. At the lockers, it was a straight up €50. The only up-sell she tried in the room was to ask if I wanted CIM for an extra €50, but I really wanted to go for her pussy so I declined.

Round 3:

At some point, the FKK "kid in a sweet shop" feeling gets a bit too much and you need to withdraw. There are some loungers in a darkened alcove near the whirlpool where you can sleep and where nobody will disturb you. I had thought about reading a bit of my novel in there but it's too damn dark in Palace. After a sauna and then a heavenly nap wrapped in my robe, I returned to a club now rapidly filling with girls and patrons. Probably more than 30 of each. There were many more Eastern European stunners to choose from. One Hungarian girl in a pink corset was just so gorgeous, lying with her legs spread on the sofa that I had to take her. We chatted in English for a bit then off to a room for a decent session. There was only light kissing and just BBBJ and straight up sex. Whilst it wasn't the best experience, she was just so beautiful to watch bouncing up and down on me, I couldn't resist. Again, I parted with €50 at the lockers and it was time to think about leaving.

Round 4:

I was having one last cigarette in the lounge before I was to leave when a very tall Polish girl who towered over me (I'm 172cm) came to chat to me. She was frankly a bit kooky and I doubted my stamina to continue; but since I wouldn't return for a while, what the hell? We went to a room and by now I was running out of steam. She was very business-like, somewhat aggressive and only gave CBJ, with some rather unconvincing porn star moans as we fucked. I was inclined to leave, but she wanted me to cum, so I thought of England and got on with pounding her until I finished. Again, only €50 was needed. When I asked her "what time do you finish today?" she said "When I've filled my purse with lots of money". Classy lady.

Conclusion.

I can't wait to get back to Germany for my next taste of the FKK life. The FKK experience was great, and Palace was the perfect place for anyone's first taste. Whilst there were mostly Eastern European girls, the client base was like the United Nations. I saw Americans, Europeans, Indians and Japanese there, all having a great time. The club is a great place to unwind after a hard day, with all the amenities you'd want. The girls (save the Columbian) were businesslike and gave a lot less GFE compared to the girls in Tokyo, but if you can accept it for what it is, you'll have fun. In retrospect, there were many things I'd have done differently. I'd probably go to Palace a little later (after 3pm). Next time, I'll chat to the girls I like as soon as I see them and not wait, a classic mistake. I'd also chat for longer and try to build a bit of chemistry before going to the room. Finally, I probably should've paid extra and tried for better service, a threesome or anal or something off the regular menu. I mean, why not?

Happy hunting guys.

Occultus

12-09-11, 07:20

After round one, I took a stroll round the club. The restaurant was kind of disappointing. As a cheap motel buffet type place it does the job I suppose. Watching the girls walk in and eat naked was probably the highlight for me, to whoever designed the FKK club idea, I salute you. I left me wondering. Is it good or bad form to try and pick up girls who are eating their lunch?Really enjoyed reading your report, glad you also had a great experience.

I also enjoyed ogling the girls in the restaurant, thanks especially to the bright lighting. As for picking them up in the restaurant, in my experience, the only bad form would be to expect a session with certainty (I mean to exude this attitude) , even though that's the way the club works. Although chatting with the girl is fine, if she appears receptive, for some reason good form seemed to permit at most the suggestion of a session (or better yet a chat in the bar) later. And certainly not immediately. Sometimes if you seem too adamant, the girl assumes you want a session immediately, in which case you'll come off as pushy. Technically this is her break from work, and one should at least acknowledge that.

Hessen Bub

12-09-11, 13:38

I know you don't have a crystal ball of course, but I'm wondering if it'll be so slow that I won't have any good choices at palace or the other clubs. When palace said they were open I figured "how slow could it be of they aren't closing their doors for at least Christmas." perhaps I'm wrong!Some girls told me they'll stay and work, others will go home. As you said. No crystal ball. Palace will be closed on 24 and 31, but if they say they are open they will be.

HB

Hessen Bub

12-09-11, 13:40

The restaurant was kind of disappointing. As a cheap motel buffet type place it does the job I suppose.If you find Palace's restaurant disappointing. Go to Oase.

HB

Meeps77

12-09-11, 19:48

Palace will be closed on 24 and 31, but if they say they are open they will be.

HBI asked what days around Christmas and new years they are closed, and they responded "Hello,

We are closed on 31. 12. Only.

Best regards,

Palace-team"

I hope they aren't closed on the 24th, as I only have 6 days in frankfurt and that is the first one! I send another email re-clarifying. If they are in fact closed, is anyplace else open or am I going to have to try the RDL for the first time?

Stevie69

12-09-11, 22:24

Member #4243

12-10-11, 00:55

Don't go to the RLD its a nasty place compared to palace and oase etc. I stayed in a hotel there twice and you can look only as I did but it is a great place to drink and party in the little clubs and bars around there but definitely no PAY FOR PLAY IMHO.

Hessen Bub

12-10-11, 10:18

I asked what days around Christmas and new years they are closed, and they responded "Hello,

We are closed on 31. 12. Only.

My fault. In the past they were closed on 24, this year they are open from 7pm to 4am, see info on their homepage

HB

Tiradentes

12-10-11, 16:42

My fault. In the past they were closed on 24, this year they are open from 7pm to 4am, see info on their homepage.

HB

Last year when I visited during this time (2 days before Christmas) , there were no more than 10 girls available all night. On the other hand, I would say there were at least 50 men who came and left thru the night. You do the math.

The girl I hooked up with told me the owner of the club begged her to come to work and agreed to waive her entrance fee.

Hessen Bub

12-11-11, 09:54

Dec 27 to 30 should be OK. 24 to 26 line up can be poor. Same for Jan 1.

HB

Syzygies

12-11-11, 13:40

I have been at Palace a few times and I am always looking forward to my next visit. When I visit one recurring thought I have is that if I were a multimillionaire I would probably live there. Maybe that is hoping too much; maybe I would get tired, but I would definitely be a very regular regular. I recently saw from photos of Zuckerberg and his girlfriend. Odd! I guess differnt men have different tastes and desires.

http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/mark-zuckerbergs-chinese-girlfriend-netizen-reactions.htmlA little bit too padded for me, but many Palace girls are shaped like that. Some guys like the softeness of fucking a well padded girl.

I liked well padded breasts, bottom and pussy, but not too much on waist, thighs, or face. To be really sexy, a girl must have a nice gap. That is the gap between the upper thighs just below the pussy. If the upper thighs bang togther with no gap, that is a fat girl. Mark's girl appears to be lacking any gap. If she has nice gap 2-4cm, then she passes. Waist should measure between 60-75% of thigh measurement. 70% is good. 75% just passable and more than that is either fat or too straight masculine looking like a lady-boy. There is always the odd exception.

I recall liking Mitsu previously despite waist to thigh ratio, not that good. Mitsu was not not that sexy in the thigh and bottom areas but still nice tits, nice gap, and great performance.

Always a Gazelle man. To me, even Gina is far too fat. Never been interested to try. Others find her very sexy. Fortunately we don't all like the same shape.

Syzygies

12-11-11, 13:49

If you find Palace's restaurant disappointing. Go to Oase.

HBYes, in that sense, the Palace is fantastic. To be sensible though, its not about the food, the rooms, the ambience, etc.

In the end, the quality and attitude of the girls matters most.

However my Italian buddy always goes to the Palace, as he says because the rooms are cleaner, better ventilated, and superior to Oase by a fair margin.

I guess some guys can't enjoy a good fuck if the environment is not so good.

At Oase, I can quite happily fuck a girl in a tent in Summer if open the flap enough to get ventilation, or outdoors at the raised gazebo.

Lubriderm69

12-11-11, 16:59

Hessen Bub

12-11-11, 20:29

I'm with you, for me it's all about the girls. Great hardware is fine, but the software is what we are here for. Regarding that Oase and World outperform Palace by far. For me.

HB

DoubleTop

12-11-11, 21:08

Sucker17

12-12-11, 17:30

Disappointing recent trip to Palace (November). Three visits now and one good session to look back on. This last time: Angelina the fake Egyptian and Elisa the real Ukrainian both promised much pre-room but delivered little other than moaning (of the wrong kind). I broke off both sessions. It is a lustkiller when a girl complains if eg you run the back of your hand over her breast; I was told only to touch the breast with the palm of my hand! LOL, you got to be kidding, but no, she was 4real. This just one example. The following night at Oase put Palace into perspective and confirmed what I really already knew.You see they have sensitive tits! Just kidding. I see that you've been sharked as well by this couple. I did not have such a bad experience as you, maybe because I reluctantly paid too much. I could have gone for only 50 E x 2, but I noticed that these girls are upselling their session a lot. We finally agreed for one hour with full package for 100 E x 2. I declined their offer of lesbian show which is very uninteresting for me, besides costing a lot more. Even though I had a great session with these girls, I can understand your impression. I would never repeat a session with them, cause their upselling got to my nerves. Besides WTF. Why would they complain about you touching their breasts with the back of your hand? I did the same as you, had my other night at Oase, and it is truly a completely other and much better experience! I don't agree with those who say that the best looking girls are at Palace either. I found a lot of ugly girls, and mediocre looking girls, compared to Oases beautiful line-up! One thing is however better at Palace: it is possible to breath! I am a non-smoker.

Hessen Bub

12-12-11, 22:51

So they talked you into the full hour? Otherwise 100€ each for 1h is the standard price.

HB

Sebastiane

12-12-11, 23:16

One of the great secondary benefits of Palace is the quality of the food- an important factor in my opinion since.

Fucking burns a lot of calories and I get famished after a good, hour-long session so having good food available is one of its benefits. The contrast is with FKK Colosseum (great atmosphere, girls but no food at all except fruit!) ; so, I.

Was thinking which other FKKs have very good food too? Anyone, HB?

Hessen Bub

12-13-11, 08:43

Rrandyg

12-13-11, 09:27

Sucker17

12-13-11, 18:14

So they talked you into the full hour? Otherwise 100€ each for 1h is the standard price.

HBYeah they did, but actually I do rarely 30 min. Sessons. I know it would be wise of me, but I am a slow-cummer.

Sucker17

12-13-11, 18:21

Hello, All.

Will be in transit thru Frankfurt arriving around 9pm and departing on Saturday at around 8am. Which FKK is closer to the airport? Any recommendations? I checked the forums for Palace and Oase both sound good but which one is more convenient to take the train S or U from the airport. Appreceiate any advice.

RandyIf you have a limited time frame, you basically should choose between FKK Palace (Industriehof metrostation) or Mainhattan which both are close to city center. The closest one to the airport being Palace. But it also depends on your choice, do you want to be hunted by all girls while drinking free softdrinks (Palace) or would you like to relax and be able to drink free beer as well as softdrinks (Mainhattan). It's your choice!

Tommyh80

12-13-11, 19:14

It is not long until Christmas, and maybe some of our girls will take some days off. How do you think the lineup will be this weekend?

Hessen Bub

12-13-11, 20:43

It is not long until Christmas, and maybe some of our girls will take some days off. How do you think the lineup will be this weekend?What do you think we are? Psychics?

HB

Tommyh80

12-13-11, 20:49

What do you think we are? Psychics?

HBBy looking at history. How the lineup the week before Christmas has been the last year, I can make up my mind

Sebastiane

12-14-11, 19:13

Nille Copenhagen

12-16-11, 15:42

Food at various clubs:

Palace. Separate restaurant, good quality.

World. Separate restaurant, medium quality.

Oase. No separate restauran, low quality.

Mainhattan. Separate restaurant, medium quality.

Sharks. Separate restaurant, medium quality.

Paradise. Separate restaurant, good quality.

5E. Made to order food, good quality.

Parksauna Residenz. Made to order food, high quality.

Artemis. Separate restaurant, low to medium quality.

GoldenTime. Breakfast served in the club, dinner outside in a tent. Good quality.

LivingRoom. Dinner served outside in a tent. Good to high quality.

Point Bruchsal. Small bistro area, low quality.

HBJust want to add a few:

Villa Vertigo. Dinner is served inside or outside (Summertime) , No separate restaurant. Good to high quality.

Samya. Dinner is served inside, No separate restaurant. Good quality, very nice ice cream.

Dolce Vita. Dinner is served inside, No separate restaurant. Good quality.

ACA, Dinner is served inside, semi separate restaurant. Low to medium quality.

The Cane

12-17-11, 17:04

Nille Copenhagen

12-17-11, 17:31

Beffen1

12-17-11, 17:35

Can somebody (who really, really knows what they are talking about) explain the pricing structure at this club for me? Sometimes, I've had the feeling that some of the girls there were trying to rip me off, especially if I had been in their asses.My suggestion, if you are getting anal (or any extra) at Palace, make sure there is a written contract, have it gone over by an attorney, and get it notarized, and file one copy with the A-holes at the front desk to avoid arguments and overchargeing and he said / she said kind of situations.

Beffen1

12-17-11, 17:37

What do you think we are? Psychics?

HBOr travel agents?

The Cane

12-17-11, 17:55

My suggestion, if you are getting anal (or any extra) at Palace, make sure there is a written contract, have it gone over by an attorney, and get it notarized, and file one copy with the A-holes at the front desk to avoid arguments and overchargeing and he said / she said kind of situations.I'll take that under advisement Beffen LOL! Funny how I've only had suspected attempted overcharging issues at perhaps the weakest club I've been to in terms of performance by the girls. Always seems to go hand-in-hand. Those wanting the most money are the same ones who have done the least!

Hessen Bub

12-17-11, 19:12

Can somebody (who really, really knows what they are talking about) explain the pricing structure at this club for me? Sometimes, I've had the feeling that some of the girls there were trying to rip me off, especially if I had been in their asses.Official price structure is the same as at Oase or World:

50min for 30min, incl. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex.

CIM / CIF. Add 50 EUR.

Anal. Add 100 EUR.

COB. Add 50 EUR. This is the only difference to other clubs where this extra is not really common, most girls will do without extra charge, some will not.

HB

Lastman

12-17-11, 22:31

Can somebody (who really, really knows what they are talking about) explain the pricing structure at this club for me? Sometimes, I've had the feeling that some of the girls there were trying to rip me off, especially if I had been in their asses.Hessen bob pricing is correct;

However two common 'extras' girls can try are;

Extra special or lesbian show (3some) these are rip offs;

If you must! Then say if it is mind blowing. I will tip, but really try not too. Stick to the regular pricing.

Nothing good comes from paying over the odds

DoubleTop

12-18-11, 14:09

50min for 30min, incl. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, covered sex.I've asked about DFK at the front desk on two visits and each time was told kissing is not included in a standard 30min / 50euro session (BBBJ + sex) , or rather it can be if the girl wants, but there is no obligation on her. This obviously leaves the option for girls to try to charge for DFK or say they'll DFK only in a 100euro session. Front desk also told me girls cannot charge extra for DFK alone: either they kiss for no extra charge or they don't kiss period. One girl offered me a 30 min session with DFK + CIM for 150euro and I walked away as clearly it is an overcharge. There is a pricing structure but my impression is that the girls will try and charge whatever they can get away with.

Tommyh80

12-18-11, 20:43

I stayed at Palace Friday 2 dec. This was my secound visit to the club. First time I was a bit disappointed by all the sharks and bad experiences in the room, but I decided to give it another try.

First girl out was Claudia from Russia. 25 years old, blonde hair and nice looking face. A bit chubby. For me blowjobs are important and I like it deep and slow. Claudia was not so good at it and used too much teeth. She agreed that I could finish in her face, so she ended up will cum all over her face and hair.

Secound girl was Christina from Hungary. Blonde and petite. 30 years old. Told me she has been working 2 years at Palace. Good blowjob with CIM.

Third and last girl was Mirella from Yoguslavia. She was quite popular, and many men tried to get her attention. When I had the chance, I walked up to her and asked her to join me to the cinema, which she refused and told me only room. Off we went, and when she started sucking me I understand why she is so popular. I didn't have so much energy left, so only after a minute fucking her missionary I asked her to suck me off with CIM.

Then off I went back to the hotel. When you are sick with fever it ruins what should be a great time.

Hessen Bub

12-18-11, 22:52

Correct, girls are not obliged to DFK. But there's no extra charge for it. The "club standard" in Germany does include what I listed.

HB

Still Broke

12-19-11, 04:50

My reasons to visit Palace was twofold:

(1) Just to see what a party or event at Palace is like.

(2) As recommended, to session with Saskia.

Let's start with #2. Saskia, as I was told by the reception desk was in the building.

No help with description. The ladies at the front desk could not find her for me.

I could not find Saskia myself either. I roamed the club thoroughly but was unsuccessful in hooking up with Saskia. I was disappointed.

Now, the Christmas party.

For those of you thinking about attending a party or an event at Palace.

DON'T.

At least for me, I would not recommend anyone going during an event.

I arrived about 730pm.

First thing I noticed was 'Where are the naked girls? '

Normally, the ladies would be hanging out by the front bar where the slot machines are.

Normally, the ladies would be hanging out by the entrance to the kino to catch their prey.

Not this day.

There must be at least 6-8guys: 1 attractive girl!

The place was packed. So many guys and no girls!

I am sorry, but all I have for this visit are going to be complaints.

Wait time for rooms are a minimum of 15-30mins. Not surprise to hear waiting times from 30-45mins and longer.

The girls were very very stressed that evening. Upsell and minimum rates were the going rate.

Tried to get something to eat at 830pm and the cafeteria ran out of food. Had to line up for waffles just to get something to eat.

Bartenders were hopping and to get a glass of Pepsi took me more than half an hour.

No place to sit. No place to stand.

No attractive girls to talk to. No attractive girls to stare at.

Since I had no luck in finding Saskia.

I wasn't going to leave Palace without sessioning with at least one lady.

The best available at about 1030pm was Claudia from Moscow.

Beautiful face. I am a face man.

Blonde, about 5'6' and about 125lbs with naturals and she has hips on the more curvy side.

Waited for room. 35-40mins later. Got a room by the cinema.

While waiting for our room, Claudia was very quiet and very small chit chat. No touching, no foreplay. Very distant.

In the room, upsell. She asked me for 100E and no promise of time extension.

I knew then that she wanted me in and wanted me out right away.

Her excuse was the wait for a room was already 35-40mins and the session for 50E at 30mins was not worth it. I understand where she was coming from. But, I only wanted a half hour session.

In short. NOT a recommend.

She has a pretty enough of a face, body is not bad. Sharky, aggressive and not a very friendly person at all. Stay away.

Looks: 7. 5.

Attitude: 5.

Service: 5.

Stayed and watch the crossdressed guys strutting around. Costumed guys on stilts.

Was going to take my loss and leave.

But. From my last Palace visit. The short asian chick got my attention. She is here. She was busy. I had to take my chance on her.

After a few attempts, I was able to catch her at about 1AM.

Her name is Bom (? Spelling) She is Thai.

Very short. Less than 5' tall. Less than 100lbs.

Pretty face (did I tell you I'm a face man?) Bolt ons.

I am so glad I stayed and found Bom.

She made up for Claudia. She was happy with 30mins@50E.

Everything was included. Fantastic kisser. Slobbery BJ and what a sight with CG.

Poor English. Enough to get by negotiations and casual conversation.

Highly Recommended.

Looks: 8.

Attitude: 9.

Service: 9.

For a better visit to Palace, I would suggest going there on a normal day.

Meeps77

12-21-11, 21:33

Can someone confirm for me if Wednesdays are in fact the lingerie night for Palace? I tried to find it on their site, but was not able to.

Syzygies

12-22-11, 08:31

Her name is Bom (? Spelling) She is Thai.

Very short. Less than 5' tall. Less than 100lbs.

Pretty face (did I tell you I'm a face man?) Bolt ons.

I am so glad I stayed and found Bom.Very good attempt. Many Thai names are difficult to spell in English.

"Bpum!" with "u" sounding as in the words "push" or "pull". BP is a cross between B and P sound (closer to B) , and the exclamation mark indicates to say the word with a stronger than normal emphasis. Yes, I speak Thai resonably. Her real Thai name is slightly more difficult to pronounce. Approx. 88 lbs or 40 Kg.

Used to be (a couple of years back) much easier with Thai girls using easier names like:

Bee, Lucky, Nicky, Nina, Dee Dee, Kim (Joy) , Cherry, and I forgot one other.

Some of these girls are gone, some still work, and some are rather infrequent. They always gave good service without upsell in my experience although I never tried Lucky, Nicky, Cherry, or Kim.

Jymondor

12-22-11, 13:33

Can someone confirm for me if Wednesdays are in fact the lingerie night for Palace? I tried to find it on their site, but was not able to.I did not update my info about Palace for two years. My records shows that Wednesday is lingerie day in Palace.

Hessen Bub

12-24-11, 10:25

Lingerie night =Dessoustag.

World / Sharks: Tuesday.

Palace / Mainhattan: Wednesday.

Oase: Thursday.

HB

Myrmidon

12-24-11, 14:27

I just wanted to take a moment to wish All Board members the Best over the Holidays and into the New Year!

Although it has been a while since I last visited Palace and associated clubs, (June) , and even longer since I submitted a review, (Fall of 2010) , I will be returning in 2012.

I have begun my preparation by reading the RoD, which just seem to be dominated by the Palace!

To the noobs & seasoned vet's: thank you for your excellent posts this year. You have reminded me of the great times to be had, at Palace and at all clubs! And you have whetted my appetite!

I shall continue my research through your reports and look forward to adding my own thoughts.

Myrmidon.

Hannibal Barca

12-25-11, 11:19

Palace was well festive at Christmas time. It was a wise choice to be open as there were a lot of men that came to visit the club.

I know I was glad to be there.

There was a DJ playing some nice tunes and not so nice tunes interspersed with some festive music to get you in the mood.

Food was served from 19:30 to 2; 00. It was food that was good. I liked it. Grilled pork cutlets or roast chicken quarters.

I started off with a sauna then went for dinner.

There was a lot of men but the line up was extensive enough to accommodate.

There were a few Asian girls that caught my eye. Nice and tasty.

In the end I did 2 girls spending 500e between the 2 of them entrance was 75e. The relaxing oily massage from N was 30e for 30 minutes. N had a queue of punters and deservedly so.

Entertainment by the girls comprised of several girls doing pole dancing, Turkish style dances in gold chain skirts and some girls did solos singing on a microphone in English or Romanian.

That was impressive as these were the working girls.

South American contingent were stunning as well. I wish I had more sperm to do them all but I could only manage the 2 bookings.

Palace is recommended and I will return. Great atmosphere and girls leave you alone I'd you want ro rest unlike at World. The staff were friendly and attentive. In this regard I rate them better than the other Hessen clubs. The drinks were made precisely and you did not have ro wait long. Sometimes at Sharks, Oases or World I can waiting does several minutes to be served.

There were more than enough girls to satisfy most tastes I believe.

All my sessions were incredibly memorable with kisses, DATY, multiple sex positions and as many rounds of BBBJ as. I wanted to restart my motor should the lust fail at any time the session. You just have your game plan and build on that.

Happy travels to all.

Hessen Bub

12-25-11, 22:36

Not too big a surprise to get good service if you spend 500€ between 2 girls. Any names?

HB

Sahar

12-26-11, 02:05

Syzygies

12-26-11, 10:31

Not too big a surprise to get good service if you spend 500€ between 2 girls. Any names?

HBThai girl called "N" is not very clear since nearly 40% of Thai girl nick names start with N.

Recent Thai girls I know of starting with N are Nicky, Nina, and Naa (although I think Naa probably gone nearly a year). Any new Thai girls could very easily have an N name.

Dreams

12-26-11, 11:39

Monsieur, €500 between 2 or perhaps 3 girls is not so big of the spend.

Many mongers spend much more than this in the clubs.

Not so many wish to shoot quick in the 30 minutes.

Some want to pretend the l'amour for a longer time and enjoy this experience.

They have the money. It is their money. Why not I say?I don't think the majority of visitors spend more than 250 per girl. But as you say, to each his own, and if some have the money and want to spend it, that is absoutely fine. But, as HB says, it is easier to get better service with such an amount than with the standard 50. Although, some of my best encounters were with "ordinary" looking girls happy to make me happy for 50.

Hannibal Barca

12-26-11, 12:18

J.

I don't think the majority of visitors spend more than 250 per girl. But as you say, to each his own, and if some have the money and want to spend it, that is absoutely fine. But, as HB says, it is easier to get better service with such an amount than with the standard 50. Although, some of my best encounters were with "ordinary" looking girls happy to make me happy for 50.Dreams,

I know what you are saying, but I was having way too much fun. It was also Christmas and being in the room was better than staring at a room full of men looking bored stiff since many girls were in the rooms or not viable options.

I was happy with my sessions and all the Christmas kisses I was getting from girls.

There is something about getting a BBBJ in the kino then having sex in front of about half a dozen bored looking Turks in a semi dark cinema.

I had some really good sessions for 50e too.

At World I hung out with a Guy who did 8 girls during his stay. There was so much choice at World on Christmas day.

Another Guy just did 3 girls. I only managed 2 girls. I missed the little Romy blon# with big tits like I did last week when I was at World. I like longer sessions than the wham bam thank you ma'am type.

Sahar

12-26-11, 15:11

I don't think the majority of visitors spend more than 250 per girl. But as you say, to each his own, and if some have the money and want to spend it, that is absoutely fine. But, as HB says, it is easier to get better service with such an amount than with the standard 50. Although, some of my best encounters were with "ordinary" looking girls happy to make me happy for 50.But no, I do not say "majority of visitors", I say "many visitors".

Please read again what I write.

From my experience, this is true! Many mongers spend €500+ per visit.

Money for the entrance to the club and money for 2 or 3 ladies.

€500 no problem. Why not I say.

Hessen Bub

12-26-11, 18:53

Monsieur, €500 between 2 or perhaps 3 girls is not so big of the spend.

They have the money. It is their money. Why not I say?I don't have any issue, I do spend around 500E for a club visit. But. The thing at Palace is, that girls SHOULD give you good non-rushed service inlcluding DFK, BBBJ, DATY for 50E. And a lot of girls at Palace do not. They do for more than 50E. So. It's easier to get good service for 250E per girl at Palace than for 50E. Or even for 100E for an hour. Some girls try to upsell for kissing, DATY etc. It's a fact.

HB

Nille Copenhagen

12-26-11, 21:03

I don't have any issue, I do spend around 500E for a club visit. But. The thing at Palace is, that girls SHOULD give you good non-rushed service inlcluding DFK, BBBJ, DATY for 50E. And a lot of girls at Palace do not. They do for more than 50E. So. It's easier to get good service for 250E per girl at Palace than for 50E. Or even for 100E for an hour. Some girls try to upsell for kissing, DATY etc. It's a fact.

HBI tend to agree with HB,

Since we are talking about Palace,

One should not be proud of spending lots of money to get good service if you can get the same level of service for the standard price.

I rarely get sharked at Palace, I do get good service from the girls with the standard 30mins or (60mins that I prefer).

Maybe I'm lucky.

Hannibal Barca

12-27-11, 09:56

I tend to agree with HB,

Since we are talking about Palace,

One should not be proud of spending lots of money to get good service if you can get the same level of service for the standard price.

I rarely get sharked at Palace, I do get good service from the girls with the standard 30mins or (60mins that I prefer).

Maybe I'm lucky.Nille, I believed that you are lucky.

I have not gotten anal and CIM finish for the standard price ever. If I understand correct these are extras even at Palace so are you saying I overpaid for fucking in ass and finishing in mouth?

Should I only pay 50e in total and not 250e for 1 hour, anal and CIM finish? That is certainly cheaper but I think I may nit get very far with the management and the girls offering 50e.

I have done these same girls at 50e and at this level too and the standard service is the same with DFK, Deep throat BBBJ, DATY, etc.

I do not think I overpaid since that was what I wanted. I asked for the extra services and I was pleased with them.

I paid 500e on 3 girls at Oases the day before but no one goes on that I paid more than 50e to get good service at Oases.

You also say you pay for1 hour program. So are you saying that is not same thing as paying more than 50e to get good service?

Hannibal Barca

12-27-11, 10:07

Thai girl called "N" is not very clear since nearly 40% of Thai girl nick names start with N.

Recent Thai girls I know of starting with N are Nicky, Nina, and Naa (although I think Naa probably gone nearly a year). Any new Thai girls could very easily have an N name.I just want to clarify that N was the masseur. I remember the name and the full name because it was written on her introductory board outside the massage rooms. She was not Thai, I think more Indian but I did not ask.

It was funny as N follows you to payment locker for her cash and I instinctively thought to kiss her bit as the masseur I guess you don't normally kiss on lips good bye like you do a working girl.

I felt awkward for a split second since she did not offer her lips ro me in good bye then I recovered myself ams we parted.

Hannibal Barca

12-27-11, 10:18

Not too big a surprise to get good service if you spend 500€ between 2 girls. Any names?

HBI was calling the girls baby or darling or great tits which usually puts a smile on their faces. LOL.

Hessen Bub

12-27-11, 10:33

I have not gotten anal and CIM finish for the standard price ever. If I understand correct these are extras even at Palace so are you saying I overpaid for fucking in ass and finishing in mouth?

I have done these same girls at 50e and at this level too and the standard service is the same with DFK, Deep throat BBBJ, DATY, etc.Don't be silly. You know what we're talking about. It SHOULD be 50E incl. DFK, BBBJ, DATY, full 30min. CIM is 50E extra, Anal is 100E extra. The well known situation at Palace is that a lot of girls do not offer the standard as described above for 50E. If you got great service for 50E. Good for you. Would be good for everybody here if you posted their names.

HB

Meeps77

12-30-11, 08:35

I was there for Christmas eve and arrived*at 19:00*for the opening. There was a line of about 10 guys waiting to get in. A few girls were entering also, I heard the manager tell the desk clerk their covers were waived for the night. *

At the peak of the night there were maybe 20-30 girls, and about 4 times as many guys. There were times that you could look out on the floor and see only one or two girls (the others getting fucked of course). There were some attractive girls there nonetheless, just not the usual volume. There was one girl named Stella who I found gorgeous. She said it was her birthday, although she may have been teasing me. I tried to get her to the room, but she left with her drinks. She spent the whole night in the smoking room with one guy and her female friend. I only saw her go to the room twice. With limited selection I was frustrated to not have access to this girl. She could have had line of guys if she wanted.

I had 3 sessions. The first was a romania named adda. Petite spinner with a cute face. Not stunning but very cute. Performed with with sex and BBBJ cim, but was less than enthusiastic. Not bad, just not GFE. I guess I wouldn't be thrilled to have a cock in my mouth on Christmas eve either.

Second session was with a girl who's name I didn't catch. Very pretty blonde German from homburg. Platinum blonde hair, wore a Santa hat and plaid skirt. Little think in mid section but not at all fat. Fantastic natural breasts and a stunning face. I grabbed her as she walked into the movie area. She asked if I wanted a blow job to which I said, of course. She put on the upsell saying you aren't going to take me for just 50 euro right? 100 euro with 20 tip. I told her I planned on cumming in her mouth, but the price was 100. She agreed and gave a nice BBBJ cim, making sure to suck all the cum out of my dick even after I went soft. Some girls pull away only a moment after you cum, it's much nicer when they finish slowly.

Third girl was Sara from spain. Cute with wavy hair, trim waste, and enhanced breasts. This was a weird session. We talked quite a bit. After the first round of sex and cim (she stuck her finger in my ass which was a first) , she stated to tell me how nice I am, asking repeatedly why I don't have a girlfriend etc. Then she was trying to have me believe that if we lived closer she would want to date me. Part of me would love to believe this beautiful Spanish girl is into me, but I'm no rookie and my bullshit detectors were going off. *In real life I occasionally get a good looking girl. I'm no brad Pitt, but I am decent looking and well spoken. *Point being this isn't inconceivable ot even unprecedented with american escorts which I've dated, but I'm still very guarded.

We laid together as she prattled on, and my dick betrayed me and got hard again. Although I was attracted to her, I come to fkks for variety and only repeat with ones I get unbelievably excited over. I was there, she was too so I said fuck it and I went for DATY and another cim. We talked more, I got more of the same "you're so wonderful." I am thinking that it's still nice for the attention (regardless whether it's real or fake) , and decided to test it. I said fine then, if you are so into me then lets get together and see each other privately (as in not for money). I'd be around for a week, and although we both agreed *it would never go anywhere, if she was serious, why not have some fun? She seemed tempted, likely an act. I told her to think about it, and I was thinking about the fact that the meter had been running for well over two hours. Not sure exactly how long we'd been in the room I offered 300 eur (2 hours. 2 cim) and she said she thought it was 400. It certainly was not 400, but it very well may have been 350 at 2. 5 hours. I started to argue, but then decided in an instant it wasn't worth it for at most 100 eur. Like a fly stuck in the web she kept me occupied and got paid handsomely. Any thoughts that she was sincere went out the window when she asked for more money. *

As I walked back to the hotel I though about the lyrics in a song "just a fool to believe" and laughed. Truth is I was skeptical the whole time, but perhaps I wanted to believe it. Oh well, live and learn. Should be interesting when I see her again. I don't plan to be rude of course, just distant.

Christmas day.

Today was slower than Christmas eve. Fair amount of guys, but there simply weren't enough girls to keep them happy. No real stunners this night, although there were a few 8s. Problem was that I had seen then on a previous trip and lost my gusto for them. I do repeat, but the girl has to really do it for me. As a consequence of these constraints, I only took 2 girls this night and spent much of the day reading in the back room. Again, this was Christmas day so I wasn't shocked it wasn't that great. I've been to palace several times when it was fantastic.

Fist girl was from turkey. Name started with a D, maybe Daniella. Very toned athletic body, cute face but did show some subtle signs of mileage. Raven black hair. I found her pleasant and accommodating. Nothing spectacular, *but certainly a good session. Every now and then you get a spark that puts a session over the top. This was as good as it gets without that spark or chemistry.

Next girl was Milena from dusseldorf. Very pretty face, Fair complected, strawberry blond hair. Enhanced breasts that looked good on her frame. She was very upfront about the pricing. Although it can be a mood killer I still appreciate the fact she's being straight with me and avoiding potential hassles. Again, no particular click, but she performed well as I could ask. She was one of the better girls that night and was constantly busy.

After that it was only 1130 but there was no talent to keep me there. Despite arrviving at only 530, I called it a day. Besides, after the previous days 400 eur session with Sara, I could handle getting back on budget. I did see Sara, she approached, asking how I was. I was polite and didn't give her the cold shoulder, but certainly didn't take another session. *

Deutschland1

01-01-12, 11:16

This trip report is a few weeks old but better late than never. First I want to thank all the posters for their excellent reports and I hope you enjoy this one.

I travel to Frankfurt on business every few months. It was a Thursday in November and I found myself with a free evening. This was my first time to the Palace. I must say it looks very unimpressive (read: dump) from the exterior and I thought that perhaps I had made a mistake. However, it is quite a beautiful facility on the inside. So I get changed and put on my robe. I was starving so I hit the buffet line and was really surprised at the high quality of the food. The place was crowded so I took a seat with a table of girls. They were friendly with smiles and a bit of conversation. I think the restaurant is a great place to scope talent with the brighter lighting and you can get a gauge on girl's attitudes if you engage in some dinner time conversation. This may give an indication of performance in the room. At least that is my theory. One girl I spoke with was exceptionally pleasant with a sparkle in her eye. She came across as very easy going. Her name was Janita (Bu). Beautiful face, ridiculously good body with enhanced breast (D cup I would guess and an excellent boob job). She wears this bra thing but with her tits popping out. Very sexy. To be honest, I would rather all the girls be completely naked as they are at Oase and Mainhatten but she looked hot as hell (side thought: why are some Palace girls allowed to wear bits of clothing? Isn't that the point behind FKK? That the girls are completely naked?).

I made a mental note of her and told her to come see me later once I digested my food. And she never did! She walked right passed me (20 feet away) on a number of occasions. Not that she was busy. I found out later that she has bad eye sight at a distance. Finally I grabbed her and said "hey are you ignoring me?". She smiled and said oh there you are and told me about her eyes. Did an interview check with her to make sure she would do DFK, DATY, DT, CIM, BBBJ, etc. Yes yes and yes. Great! Off to room we go.

I then spent the next 4 hours with her. Yes 4. We had incredible mind blowing session which started off with kissing, DATY, then flip for 69, then miss, doggy, reverse cowgirl, sideways, standing with her back against the wall, back to doggy with her on all fours while I grabbed her hair and pulled her head back and pounded away mercilessly as I looked at her face in the mirror which looked like the face of an angel as she really is that beautiful (in IMHO porn star hot). I finally came after about 40 minutes (it takes me longer to cum when wearing a condom) in my condom while doing doggy. Excellent. We then talked for about 20 minutes. She has excellent English and is a great conversationalist. At about the one hour mark I started to get horny again and although I would normally want to try out a variety of girls, Janita just captivated me. So over the next 3 hours, we repeated the same 40 minutes as describes above but with a few more additions: she did some amazing DT, with her on all fours on the bed and me standing and thrusting into her mouth again and again. I could feel the back of her throat and it felt like heaven. She took it all in with no hands (this was my instructions to her and she followed like a champ). On the 4 session (4th hour) , I did digits while DATY and after about 20 mins and my tongue about to fall off, she came very forcefully and was just dripping wet (IMHO she was not faking but you never know). I'm not into CIM, COF or COB so I always finished inside her in my condom. 4 hours and 400 Euros well spent. She never tried to upsell me or hustle me which I appreciated. It was I who kept suggesting we extend the time (which seemed to surprise her). I just felt great with her, not only because of her PSE performance but also the conversation. Very cool girl.

So that was it. Only one girl. Very out of character for me. Normally, would take 4 to 6 girls in a night but once in a while you (or at least I do) find a special girl you click with so what the heck. Having said all that, I would highly recommend but I'm not even sure it is a guarantee that I would repeat because as I said I like variety and I pretty much did everything I ever wanted to do with her in 4 hours.

Before I came to Palace, I stopped in at Oase and Mainhatten. I was on a mission to find two of my all time favorite girls: Izabella (Ro / Hu) and her friend Ambra / Rafaella (Ro / It?). Someone said they are sisters but they look nothing alike so I find that hard to believe. Anyways, at Oase I was told they now worked at Mainhatten but when I got to Mainhatten they weren't there and nobody knew. I was on a mission because Ambra is the best PSE I ever had and Izabella is the best GFE I ever had. I left Oase and Mainhatten without sessioning and went to Palace as I had never been there before and wanted to check it out. And that is how I met Janita. So Ambra and Izabella's loss is Janita's gain that night! .

But I would like to session with Izabella and Ambra on my next trip. Does anybody know where they two lovely ladies are working?

Cheers and here's to a good 2012!

Hannibal Barca

01-02-12, 06:18

Deutschland1,

Your source at Oase was not wrong. I saw and caught up with Ambra at Mainhattan during the earlier part of December but I have not seen Ambra on my latter December visits to Mainhattan. I make 5 visits to Mainhattan this December as line up has been strong.

I have not seen Isabella but there is a new girl at Oase that has been there now 5 days that has a striking resemblance to Isabella at Oase. She is Dacian also. If I recall correct she is Nancy, a blond girl.

Fkknomad

01-03-12, 04:13

Is blond girl Nancy from Belgium?

Hannibal Barca

01-03-12, 08:51

Is blond girl Nancy from Belgium?This Nancy is from Dacia not from the lands of the Belgae whom Caesar were the most bravest and fierce of all the Celtic peoples. The Belgic Nancy was not seen at Oases on my last visit to Oases last week.

Dandriller

01-08-12, 06:04

1st Saturday of 2012 and against my better judgement I head to Palace.
It is too soon after the festive season for most of the foreign girls to return it seems, so there are not many of the exotic girls that I like.

As usual, I arrive mid afternoon for a business time 2 hour session.
The first attractive girl I notice after a long procession of girls with bad shaped asses is a very slim and tall girl with long dark hair and black glasses. Her body is sensational with large bolt ons and a small but round and shapely butt.
Her name is Stella from Morocco and I immediately notice 3 prominent body piercings, a monroe and two in the region immediately above her pussy.
I love piercings and after confirming that I will be eating her pussy, we go to a room.
That's where it went down hill.

Turns the head and announces only kissing from breasts down.
OK I can live with that but every move is met with gentle, not so rough.
Down fror some DATY and it is a beautiful pussy but she barks about no fingers and really spoils the mood.
I decide to let her blow me and enjoy the view of her pretty face and hot bod.
No joy here I'm afraid and she performs a hand job with a small amount of sucking the head.
I tried to tell her to back off with the hands and lick my balls a bit, but her English wasn't sufficient and it was lost in translation as she started sucking and biting my nipples.
No problem I thought as I do enjoy some work on my nipples but it was short lived and she went back to the pseudo BBBJ.
She started upselling for CIM to which I replied that I would be happy to cum in her mouth if she would only suck my cock properly.
It wasn't going to happen unfortunately so I walked out of the room at that stage and paid her 50 Euro.

I ran into Kelly from Senegal next and she recognised my face and asked if we would get together later.
I said maybe but as she walked off and I got a full view of her body, it looked like she has put on a lot of weight and had a very big stomach.
She approached me in the Kino and I do find her face attractive so I engaged her services, but she did not live up to her past performances with me.
Her BBBJ was good, sloppy and plenty of attention to the shaft and balls, but she didn't finish the job and wanted to move to a room.
I ate her pussy but she barked at me when I opened her pussy lips and freaked when I licked her ass.
What a contrast from the first session we had together when we ate each others assholes like there was no tomorrow.
I went through the motions and allowed her to put a condom on to start fucking, but she was too lazy to put any effort in so I had to finish the job in doggy.
What a waste of 50 Euro again.

Maybe I will wait till February till I go back again because things a pretty dismal at Palace now.

Blonde

01-09-12, 20:39

Went to Frankfurt on Friday and had my first night at Mainhattan, but Saturday and Sunday I went to the Palace.

On Saturday I arrived at five o'clock in the afternoon and the first girl I went to the room with was Kelly. Dark-skinned and had some kilos extra. We agreed about a session including blowjob, fucking, eating pussy an finally CIM. 100 euros. The session was nothing to write home about and she was not willing to kiss and the session was quite disappointing. But we had this agreement about CIM and I took the job in own hands and told her to gape and when I came I gave her a big load in the mouth and I do not think she was prepared so she almost swallowed it. That make her very upset and made a lot of noice about it.

The next was a small blond girl from Turkey in red stockings. Also quite average and no kissing and that is a turnoff for me. Same type session as above 100 euro.

Later same night I had a session with two girls. One say she is from Egypt and the other from Ukraine. This was good fun with lot of sucking both ways, fucking and dildos. One girl gave me blowjob and I eat the others pussy, Then we change position on the girls. After I fucked one of them and the other fucked herself using a dildo. We kept it going for almost one hour and this was good fun. But after comming two times this night and three times on Friday I was not able to cum. This happening sometimes when I holding back too long. But it was good fun and the damage was 200 euros.

Sucker17

01-11-12, 17:55

Later same night I had a session with two girls. One say she is from Egypt and the other from Ukraine. This was good fun with lot of sucking both ways, fucking and dildos. One girl gave me blowjob and I eat the others pussy, Then we change position on the girls. After I fucked one of them and the other fucked herself using a dildo. We kept it going for almost one hour and this was good fun. But after comming two times this night and three times on Friday I was not able to cum. This happening sometimes when I holding back too long. But it was good fun and the damage was 200 euros.The two girls you were aquainted with are Elise (22 years) , blonde from Ukraine, the other Angelina (24 years) from Egypt (or at least that's what she claims). Am I right? I had the same session, and damage as you. It was good fun, but I would not repeat with these girls. They upsell too much, though it was great to see them blow me simultaenously! Angelina likes the sex a bit rough and is quite an expert with the dildo.

Tuvac

01-11-12, 20:53

First off, thank you all for the amazing info. Based on all that I read, I plan to head to Palace this Sunday (FRA Layover)

If anyone plans on being there. I would be delighted to meet, and learn from the masters.

I of course plan to write a report after my trip. Got to pay back.

Blonde

01-11-12, 23:22

The two girls you were aquainted with are Elise (22 years) , blonde from Ukraine, the other Angelina (24 years) from Egypt (or at least that's what she claims). Am I right? I had the same session, and damage as you. It was good fun, but I would not repeat with these girls. They upsell too much, though it was great to see them blow me simultaenously! Angelina likes the sex a bit rough and is quite an expert with the dildo.Yea thats the girls, and as you say Angelina like it's rough. The upsell is also an issue I did not like, and personally two girls is one to much as long as they not are bi-sexual and play with each other. Don't think I will repeat.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:30

i went back to the palace a few times last week, far more than i intended, as a friend of mine in germany was rather busy with his work. as he has (perhaps only temporarily) retired from mongering, the solo nature of these extended trips can sometimes be psychologically trying. for example, waking up alone in a hotel room in a foreign country to a bleak cloudy prospect, does not induce the warmest feelings. however alien one perceive oneself in one's own country, nonetheless solo abroad there is sense of dislocation. on the one hand, these concerns should vanish once we're in a room full of naked women, on the other hand, they induce us to seek greater intimacy than is possible in a (business) relationship with a wh0re.

of course, routard, the great sex genius of isg, routinely seduced hookers with his "salsa charm", but for a novice monger (not to mention not the most socially adept person in real life anyway) to repeat his feat would be asking too much. i mention this, because in the "interregnum" between fuck trips, i encountered routard's posts of distinction. his main goal is to regain the bliss of his virgin sex experience in life itself, an encounter with a delightful nubile form on the beach one summer (interestingly, on a visit to golden time (correction: partytreff dorsten) , he stays at the hotel humbert, the namesake of the hero of [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)). when he feels he is approaching this bliss with a woman, he calls it 'mutual chemistry'. for him, mutual chemistry is not just a man and a woman clicking, but also dissolving into each other in a divine act of unification. so routard sought not the illusion that is gfe, but love itself, and somehow he was able to get this out of hookers. to be sure, it took practice, which meant increasing one's 'sample size' of women fucked until one had a clearer idea of what types of women there were, and with which types he was most likely to achieve 'mutual chemistry'.

but the question to my mind was, while this gfe dissolving into love was his highest goal, was such a goal (the difficulty of achieving it aside) appropriate for my personality? so i reflected on what i had been doing with prostitutes thus far and wondered why i (ostensibly) didn't really care about gfe. the main reason is that gfe as it is typically experienced is just an illusion anyway, the prostitute only pretends to be your girlfriend. one might instead enjoy greater intimacy through honesty. rather than illusion (and acts, such as dfk and daty) my main interest was to get to know the girl, peer behind the mask, learn the decision process by which she got into the industry, how she manages the emotional turmoil. rather than pretend she's my girlfriend, which is a further escape from reality, i sought reality itself.

but so much for this 'realist' tendency. the other reason i had little interest in the illusion that is gfe, is that i was fully capable of deluding myself into believing i was having sex with a goddess. i didn't need her to deceive me, i was more than capable of deceiving myself (for the sake of exactitude, delusion is when you see something incorrectly owing to an internal disturbance, whereas illusion is when in fact what you see is indistinguishable from something it is not; or succinctly, delusion is subjective, while illusion is objective). after the fact, i could become aware of my self-deception, but the fact i had been doing this didn't really bother me (is not dislike of untruth merely a moral prejudice after all?). i considered it essential to enjoying mongering as an aesthetic experience. i operated in the same manner as a curator collecting paintings for a museum, turning my memory into a collection of beautiful objects. somehow in parallel with the realist tendency, i treated the women as fetishes: to be worshiped but also defiled.

(aesthetic experience: to clarify, everyone can see the girls, so this really constitutes representing the girls or the experiences with them. in a certain narcissistic way, i enjoy being able to write stories as a result of the experience. and when i write, i please myself: it's kinda like masturbating after the fact. furthermore, were my powers more than mere prose, for each girl i would write a poem that's a portrait. instead, i just write what i remember, although the memory itself does a certain amount of filtering, embellishment.)

so again, should gfe really be the holy grail of mongering? or is this just an uncritical assumption, by no means attuned to all personality types. in any case, the other problem with routard's pursuit of mutual chemistry, the 'answer to everything', was that once he finally attained it, he ceased to produce art (at least to the best of my knowledge). for he was no longer suffering from separation from the one, whether she be the nubile youth with whom he had his first sexual experience, or just some archetype of woman. can the artist still create art once the boundary between himself and his object dissolves? in my case, my main interest is not exactly art, but really metaphysics; but in a love-relationship with an actual woman, i cease to have new ideas (or in that year my average number of thoughts of per day drops drastically, to say nothing of quality).

as you can see, this is also a theoretical apparatus to resist the pull of gfe, not to mention making extremely scant effort toward the pursuit of women in real life. i do insist i was living this theory in the past, but the problem is, it is difficult to execute a theory once we have formulated it: it no longer applies to our present self, only the past self of which we are now aware, as the snake beholds its shed skin. indeed, another title i considered was 'the future of a delusion' (yes, i have a tendency towards vainglorious titles; they are not meant with strict seriousness).

finally, why the palace? 'why, just why? ' yeah, i know. but as things stand, i have business relationships with many girls there, with whom i do get good sex. the beauty for sale pleases me. the location is convenient, especially since i don't drive (otherwise i would try world). also, i don't smoke, which dissuades me from visiting oase in the winter, especially since i like to make long stays at clubs. maybe ultimately it's just the tendency of a criminal to return to the scene of his crime, or just a rational justification for inertia.

of course, why care about existing relationships, if you have no intention of repeating with girls? well, this time i did seek depth in addition to breadth. in my november trip, i had a good session with beatriz from malta (good sex and ast). after i paid her, she said, 'let me know if you want to repeat later'. i did not repeat, but once i was back home, i began to wonder whether by my principle of non-repetition, i had simply missed chapter 2 of the story. so through pure breadth, we may increase our 'sample size' and avoid any emotional involvement whatsoever, but greater depth might lead to a more interesting plot.

these concepts are analogies drawn from graph theory. so say you're a node in the graph, while women are in fact paths, series of nodes: you can connect to the first node of many of these paths, or you can pursue some of these paths to greater depth. for example, disappointment with pursuit of depth may be attenuated by increasing your breadth. furthermore, many of these paths are finite and shallow, or rather after two or three sessions the relationship no longer grows: but then again, how deep a woman's path is, is also a function of you (the famous ymmv). having multiple relationships at once, you have breadth and depth; in a monogamous relationship you have nothing but (linear) depth; so you get the terminology.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:31

so suffice it to say, monday was a breadth day (note this was jan. 2nd, so the palace lineup was not back in full force). i had arrived once again early in the morning on a redeye, and owing to an obscene sleeping schedule at home, had trouble falling asleep once i made it to my hotel room. i caught a few hours, then, oh well, let the mongering begin. although on the date of departure, i did not feel that giddy anticipation i had felt in november, it had nonetheless felt like a long few weeks, once i booked my next mongering vacation. indeed, it was somewhat like the heroin addict waiting for the needle, or the world of warcraft player longing to log in to the virtual world (desperate to 'tune in, turn on, and drop out'). in any case, i read st augustine's confessions (i wanted to see what he had to say about managing lust; 'to carthage i came / burning burning burning') , while starting moby dick, if this gives you any idea of my perception of the vastness of time that lay between (what was) now and my departure. the problem with planning one's life around mongering is that we repeated travel to carthage and never found rome. similarly, once routard finally found 'the answer to everything', he ceased to create art, nevermore a replica of rome.

my delusional interpretation apparatus has of course kicked into gear again, but at the time everything was 'in the real world'. the palace was just a place. and, i don't know if it means anything, but on this trip to frankfurt, i did not see the lights over old england. usually in the journey by airplane, this signifies the final leg of the journey, so is a reason for excitement. but this time the lights shone not, presumably covered by the clouds.

so monday was a breadth day, but there was nothing magical about it. to be sure, most of the 'sex scenes' were quite good, but the self-delusion factor was not there. i was just having sex and that was that, there was no transcendent aesthetic experience. so the idea that i didn't need gfe, because i could delude myself, immediately fell to pieces. knowing how we were, we can no longer be that person; in the future, we have to go it alone (the naked self without any of his past persons; or, 'you're not even as good as your last deal').

i had sex with gabriella-bul, saskia-de, karina-lithuania, deci-bul, hannah-rom, lisa-rom, imka-rus. doing 7 girls is of course physiologically too exhausting; it's rather stupid to max out, in light of the exhaustion that will ensue the next day, not to mention the soreness in the loins. so 'never again' with that. indeed, if i'm willing to spend so much money in a day, it'd be smarter to spend it on fewer girls and secure better service.

i saw gabriella while i was eating in the restaurant. actually before she walked in, i saw her butt before she put on a towel. she seemed to have a nervous manner about her, so the predator in me kicked in. it was this (imagined) prospect of exploiting vulnerability that appealed to me, for her body type is not usually what i go for: petite brunette spinner, not even with a pretty face. well, i found her later in the main room; she walked by while i was sitting on one of the circular seating areas. i hailed her and she sat down. her english was infinitely better than my spanish (said she had lived in spain for 20 years) , so we tried to converse a bit. she knew where the 'conversation' was heading, and i did not resist the 'conclusion', since the language barrier made communication difficult anyway.

in the room, she tries to start the blowjob with a condom without asking; great sign. i stop her, but even so, her blowjob is rather mediocre. nonetheless, i get hard, since i have not had sex in a while. i penetrate her missionary and after a few thrusts am ready to come; the novelty of having sex after long starvation and be it said, her cute spinner's body, had already brought me to the brink. i try to switch position to doggy, but certain angular issues (she probably just wasn't making an effort) , and an odor dissuaded me from that endeavor and cost me my erection. so i had her resume the blowjob; i stiffened quickly. in spite of her mediocre effort (mostly licking the side of my dick) , whenever she did take my shaft in her mouth, it felt really good. eventually i came in an extended orgasm in her mouth, and she took every spurt of semen, all things considered. why the cim? i like to start a mongering trip this way, and i was annoyed with her, so i felt like shooting a copious amount of cum in her mouth. perhaps in the future, shooting it on her face is the better option, provided one doesn't mind wasting another 50 this way. yeah, cynical stuff, but hey, it was a 'first fuck', very much in the real world.

so the lineup on monday (this was mid-afternoon) was sparse. many girls were on vacation still. but there was still a sufficient amount of talent. a noticed a more subtle beauty, albeit with a delicious ass, walking between the girls' towel room and their locker room. no, before that she had just gotten paid and i hailed her. she immediately said, 'i will be back in two minutes', inferring or dictating that the purpose of the upcoming conversation would be initiate a sex session. well, that was ok, it helped me make up my mind. maybe i had seen this girl, or woman, before, maybe i had not. she looked vaguely familiar. a beautiful, but unassuming face, meaning she was not given to mannerisms, instead letting pure form speak for itself. she had dark blonde or light brown hair. she had natural boobs, but her overall physique was very appealing. she was quiet, confident, and devoid of histrionics. this was my initial impression of saskia

we went to the room and sooner rather than later she starts the blowjob. as is well known, her blowjob is incredible, to the extent that all rational control, resistance, vanishes from the male mind. the male can do nothing but completely relax and receive. i still felt myself in the real world all this day, but now at least saskia showed me to doors out. to be sure, this was on account of the physical pleasure, not her beauty stimulating my delusional interpretation apparatus. to my mind, she is not a vision, although she could appear glamorous if she wanted to; instead, she seems to have little interest in being something she is not. her attitude seems to be, 'if you're aesthetic sense is too coarse to notice me, then so be it'.

anyway, owing to the bliss of the blowjob, i finally said, 'just finish it', with a sigh. however, this was the exact moment, she decided to ask if i was ready for intercourse. given that brief pause, i no longer felt the necessity of coming in her mouth. however, she thought i wanted to switch to intercourse, then come in her mouth towards the end of the session; this led to a misunderstanding. the visual in missionary is very appealing: she has an appropriate amount of flesh on her stomach, while still maintaining the right shape. from behind, the sight and feel of her ass is blissful; a rather large and shapely butt. but now she was ready to suck me off. well, ok, since she gave the best blowjob anyway, i had wanted to finish in her mouth earlier. or did i want to finish in her from behind? i was holding out, just to prolong the pleasure of her butt. in any case, the return to the blowjob was good, although i was slow in coming to the conclusion, due to the interruption. even while she sucked me, i was having visions of myself fucking her in missionary and doggy. these (internal) visions were carrying me to the brink, but i thought, why not finish with the dream? well, naturally, she was opposed to the idea of switching back to intercourse to finish, since in her mind i had committed to a 100 euro session. i wasn't really thinking business or limiting the cost of the session, so that brought me back to the real world. realizing i had committed a little offense, i said, 'no, no, please finish', meaning with the mouth. after many minutes of oral effort, she finally succeeded in extracting my seed, whereupon she collapsed on the bed. 'it's like you've had sex 3 times today'. it was just one time, but thoughts about business and position switching had thrown me back from the threshold of orgasm.

i had another session with saskia on friday, which was much better. not that this session was bad, but it was carried by her mastery of technique, whereas in the next session we clicked better, so she was more personable. i get the impression that she takes you more seriously once you become a repeat customer. on the second encounter, she gave me the best blowjob i had ever received in my life. lots of tongue-swirling and rotating the mouth around the shaft. i had to let my arms drop to the bed; my neck no longer wanted to hold me head up, letting it collapse on the pillow; i simply couldn't do anything except receive pleasure, it was as though my free will were suspended. i no longer had the power to initiate motion with my body, save the sighs, as consciousness became overwhelmed by the more primitive parts of the brain. but she did not force a cim (i lacked the power of speech at this point) and suggested we switch to sex. well, this time i thought i could at least finish in her from behind, even if her pause in the blowjob cost me a ridiculously pulsating orgasm in her mouth. oh well, we did missionary and doggy, and at least i savored the pleasure of her butt to the conclusion, as i had wanted to do last time.

then she said, 'well, now you've made your sport'. i was initially confused, since i was not exactly sport fucking her, but then later i realized that the germans use the phrase 'sport machen' (hmmm, 'sport treiben' actually) to mean 'exercise' (but saskia's english is more or less fluent, and she pronounced 'sport' as it is pronounced in english, not as 'schport'). she mentioned, 'it's so boring today; i layed around for two hours without going to the room. ' she meant she was laying down on display in the german area of the main room, which is the lowest semicircle outside the dance circle and also the largest of the semicircles directly abutting the dance circle. only german girls sit there, in addition gina (cz) and lulu (austria). not once did i see a romanian or bulgarian sitting there, for example. so if you're suspicious of german girls, but see something that attracts you in that area, be careful. to make a very broad stroke of the brush, i get the impression that german girls go into prostitution realizing, 'ah, i can hustle', whereas romanians go into it out of necessity. so a romanian provider may actually be a 'nice girl at heart', whereas many of the german girls are just hustlers looking to hustle and prostitution just happens to be one option to that end. this is the case with joy and i surmised it was so with kiara and jana (huge silicon tits, e cup, a wider woman but perfectly toned). maybe i'm lucky or the times have changed, but i've never had a bad session with a romanian.

anyway, as the conversation with saskia closed, i informed her, 'you know, i've been thinking, your beauty is really a universal beauty. there are some girls here, they look good, but you know they're wh0res, their looks aren't good for much else. whereas in your case, you could appear in film or be on the cover of a magazine'. and that's really the best way i can describe it. now personally, even if saskia is a fine wine, owing to the dulling of my senses (perhaps through years of porn) , i am addicted to the 'harder stuff' (similarly with classical music, i know mozart is the best, but i prefer the more decadent romantics, even if i know their music is unhealthy). and that is one reason to come to palace; at least half the girls have porn bodies, i. e. silicon tits combined with hours at the gym (that said, this trip i managed to break my slavery to that beuteschema, somewhat). even so, i would say that saskia alone is a better reason to visit this club; her alone is in fact a sufficient reason.

oh, another issue. i mentioned to her that i brought my own soap, because the palace soap is so drying. but she said, it's actually the water in frankfurt (or hessen in general) , which is full of 'kalk', which is apparently calcium deposits, and these dry the skin. even so, i recommend taking a gentle soap of your own to the club if you plan on having multiple sessions without getting dry skin later. moisturizer or just mineral oil (in the words of angelina-ro, 'it's very good for your dick'; she's a witchy woman, so it may have magical qualities as well) may also be helpful, but just using a gentle soap, i found these it weren't absolutely necessary.

i make some negative remarks about german providers (at least those at palace) in a further post. saskia is obviously an exception to this prejudice i'm developing. prejudice in itself is a bad thing, especially when we know not when to make exceptions, but at the time, should it defend us from ripoffs, then all power to it.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:32

Still some other sex scenes to describe. Going in order, Karina Was a very good session. She said she hailed from Lithuania, though perhaps she is actually Romanian, I don't know. Karina is a blonde a with huge silicon tits and a big butt, basically. Her face does not totally do it for me, the cheek bones being a bit lower than I would like. Still, overall I found her attractive, as I did in November, although I did not go with her. Crudely, she was on my 'leftovers' list. The Palace lineup still not being at full strength on Monday, I figured I would knock some names off that list. Anyway, I said it was a very good session, and I mean this objectively. Rather than jump right into the blowjob, Karina began with DFK of her own volition. And it felt good: through her slow kissing, she was able to control the pace of my breathing, make my heart beat with hers. The rhythm of her kissing got my penis hard without further aid. I believe the blowjob and the sex were also satisfying. The only problem is that I couldn't decide what position to finish in; her sculpted butt made it tempting to finish in doggy, but I had already switched to missionary, and she was pressing her tits together. Note that this was just a 50 euro session, but even so she initiated DFK. The AST touched upon astrology; like many wh0res she seemed to believe in those signs. Note that in spite of my tendency toward fantastic interpretations of reality, I never succumb to a madness not of my own creation. But I humored her of course. She claimed to be 28, but I suspect a bit older, also thinking that she compensates for age by providing better service.

Later I went with Deci (or DC) from Bulgaria. A very hot natural body; butt emphasized by the usual 'tramp stamp' tattoo on the lower back; soft tanned skin. We talked for a bit on the couch. I wanted to see if she could read my intentions in my eyes, but for some reason she could not, so I had to tell her, Yes, I want to go to the room. But before that, she did a Schwanz test, making sure my dick was not too big for her, she explained. Simple, good sex. Incredible physical pleasure, both from fucking her, and from holding her natural boobs. I did not repeat, but I would repeat.

Hannah From Romania was also excellent. I do not know if she kisses for 50 euros, sorry ISG for my neglect of field work. But the sex felt more like we were lovers making a baby together, not me fucking a 5lut. The physical proximity in missionary and the way she moved her legs and moaned. Even if the moans were fake, their rhythm was definitely generated in response to my penetration of her, and also encouraged me to thrust faster, when her moans seemed more desperate. I usually don't like fake moaning, but in this case, if it were fake, it was nonetheless connected to what I was doing to her, or what we were doing together. Hannah is not usually my Beuteschema; she has a spinner's body, small boobs for example. However, her muscles are perfectly toned and the ratio between her hips and waist is absolutely delicious. Her waist is very thin and her abs perfectly flat. If I were more of a COB fan, I would cum on her stomach multiple sessions in a row (a desire is mad before it is accomplished once). Hannah used to work in Spain, but the economic situation has driven her to the greener pastures of Deutschland. Her English is just OK, but in the AST I was able to ask her opinion on the hypothesis that Romanian girls go into prostitution not just on account of economic necessity, but also a cultural proclivity. Specifically, under Ceausescu condoms were banned in the name of reproductive nationalism. As a result, many unwanted children were born and sex became trivialized. So a Romanian girl thinks, 'OK, you want to pay for sex? Really? Hmmm, OK. ' This is not exactly what I said, but if Hannah got the gist of it, she confirmed that for a Romanian girl, getting fucked isn't a big deal, it isn't some horrible violation, her vagina is not something sacred that she feels compelled to (neurotically) protect.

Hannah kissed me on the lips later, while I was sitting on the couch by the Kino. On another occasion, she pressed her body against me, as I stood in the hallway leading to the Kino. I would have fallen, had she just said the right things, I could have been convinced, but the pull was in the moment not strong enough to tip the scales. However, I regret not repeating with her. In a perfect world, with unlimited ejaculations, and no concern about breadth, yeah, ya know. That's the thing though, for me it's never absolutely Yes (1) or No (0) with the the woman, unless I am currently enslaved to my lust for her or she is ugly. With Hannah, it was always 0. 7,0. 8 tipping towards 1, but not quite making it. And sometimes with a girl if she's only at 0. 3 or 0. 4, if she says the right words, that indicate she intuits my subjective state, then she can quickly rise to 1. 0. That was the thing that annoyed me about Deci, was that she was at 0. 9, but didn't sense it, so I had to tip the scale for her.

And I kept going. I hadn't been exposed to naked women for a while, so my brain was still super-stimulated, even as its servants flagged. But the brain also being physical and controlling all parts of the body, I could still finish without the aid of a blowjob (at the end). Lisa (Romania) was my next victim, or I hers. Lisa was also on my leftovers lift from November. Eh, in her case I would say 'to do' list. The image of her certainly impressed my brain in the 'interregnum', even though I did not yet know her name. I approached her, beside myself with temptation for her natural body. Indeed, large natural boobs, delightful to hold; an almost cartoonish ratio between her hips and waist; stomach perfectly flat; very tall, perhaps the tallest woman in the club; brown hair; not my favorite face, but it had character. Cliche? No, I mean her imperfections betrayed her untamed lasciviousness, no way else to describe it. The details: her hands free blowjob was so good, I would have ejaculated in her mouth on my 6th session, had she not stopped, thinking I wanted sex. She knows how to display her body during the blowjob, so you get max 'visual. I repeated with Lisa on Wednesday, this time doing an hour long session.

The final fuck was Imka. Blonde with short hair, toned body, silicon tits. On my leftovers list from November, so I cleared her off the list. No intention to repeat, though I guess it was nice fucking her in missionary, staring at her tits. She seemed in a pushy, upsell mood, so I told her I would cum in her mouth if I could not finish normally; I knew I'd be able to finish normally. And indeed I did, though with some effort (I. E. Thinking of archetypal porn scenes, even though I supposedly hate porn).

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:32

the reason i'm now biased against german providers is because i had a bad session with joy, who i wanted to repeat from november. actually, the session was good, her attempt to rip me off on payday was not, though. basically, with her i had done a 50 euro session and a 100 euro session with cim in november. she was an absolute shark, but she was hot, and i was simply amused how she was trying to rip me off. i thought she had more character and was more mentally stimulating than some of the other working girls. and i also thought by paying her the market rate for her services, i had tamed her, as far as her relation to myself was concerned. so i developed a certain fondness for her, but i was playing with fire.

so on tuesday, i was super-tired from the 7 fuck marathon the day before. but i had seen joy the night before, she was just visiting the club in street dress to collect something at the front desk. the shark gave me a hug and kissed me, and asked me if i would show up tomorrow. since i said, yes, i figured i'd just showup in the evening. maybe i'd be able to finish a fuck, maybe not. i find her in the kino with some other blonde girl (i wasn't adamant about getting names this time) and she immediately tries to sell a duo. i decline. i encounter her again 10 minutes before dinner, she tries to force me to go to the room, but i tell her i need to eat first. also, each time i talk to her, i try to inform her that i probably won't be able to cum, which means no extras. but she is not listening. in short, she already sensed that i had fallen in love with her and was determined to fleece me of everything i'd got.

anyway, we eventually get to the room, and knowing my sexual status, i suggest she massage me. she replied, 'no, you massage me'. well, alright, it doesn't seem sound to pay to massage someone else, but she has a hot body, so it was actually rather pleasurable. she said, 'some girls just say yes all the time, but that's gets boring. with me, you don't know what i'm going to say. i may say no, i may say yes. ' and i acknowledged that service providers who don't mentally challenge me do get boring or are at least not as interesting. at that point, i was massaging some of her leg muscles sore from always wearing high heels. 'would you want people to just say yes all the time? ' and i said, 'well, i would if i were a dictator. it worked pretty well for hitler, after all. ' 'but he shot himself'. 'true but he lost the war because he made some mistakes in russia'. (yes, i'm aware this is a gross simplification of history.) 'yes, he only made mistakes in russia'. 'well, technically, he cost germany the battle of britain', and i explained how. then she said, 'even so, as i german i acknowledge that many of the things he did were horrible, but it's still amazing how he was able to control millions of people'. and so the charisma of 'that man' was acknowledged.

the physical proximity to her and her beauty impelled me to attempt intercourse. as predicted i could not finish. so we decided to call it a session. we had been in the room about 54 minutes (i was wearing my watch). ah, but before that, she was also asking specific questions about what i do for a living and how much money many i make, how much money i spent yesterday. not to mention complaining that i had no weihnachtsgeschenk for her. i just said, 'tomorrow', figuring i'd be recovered for a real session, in which i intended to cum in her mouth.

as we walked to the lockers, she said, 'you give me the amount of money you spent yesterday'. figuring she was joking, i said, 'i no longer have that much'. 'but you'll still give me a present'. i reach for my wallet. she peers into the locker room (my locker is visible from the entrance) , so i turn around to conceal my stash as i withdraw 100 euros. i hand her the two bills, then she says, 'where's my present? ' and pouts a bit. then she insists it's 150, at which point i say, 'no, you're playing with me'. she gives an ultimatum, 'i won't leave until you bring me another 50', so i just say, 'well, you'll be waiting for a long time'. at this point, she pulls off the mask and says, 'i don't do 50 euro half hours, in the time we spent in the room one guy could have came in my mouth, another on my breast. you know that, you're not stupid, so you were trying to cheat me. remember? last time you paid me 100 for a half hour'. to which i replied, 'yes, because i came in your mouth'. but the fact that at that time i had actually gotten an extra didn't matter. 'since you didn't pay me 150, you can no longer go with me'. the consequence wasn't so devastating, so now that she had whipped off her mask, i had no intention of going with her again. but the altercation certainly spoiled my mood for the rest of the night. being physically exhausted, i didn't bother going to the room again, just sat around and ate food.

maybe 'fallen in love' is too strong a phrase, but a certain fondness for sure. without a sound education on isg i may have surrendered the extra euros. but from my reading and now experience, i know never to pay more than the market rate. indeed, on this whole trip, i did not tip once. i think it takes some hardening to understand this principle, but eventually you realize it on your own that tipping is weakness. the market is more important than your momentary urge to please a working girl. indeed, there are many posts here on isg expounding this philosophy in more detail, in particular some extremely belligerent ones from ortos. but you know what? he's right.

tipping is simply incorrect. giving a girl a tip amounts to saying yes to a request of hers, even if not verbalized. as a man, if you never say no to a girl, the respect falls off. once you become a yes-sayer, she assumes she has won you over, she no longer thinks she has to make any effort to win your 'love', which in this case is acquiescence to her monetary demands (or weihnachtsgeschenken). furthermore, once she has won over you, she loses interest in you as well. women like to work on a man with whom the possibility of conquest exists, but care nothing for the ones they've already conquered. for this reason, mongers in the philippines dissuade the novice from giving in to any of his girl's requests after he barfines her; in other words, don't go to this mall because she wants to; don't go to this restaurant because her friend's there; just take her back to your hotel and fuck her. and they say, acquiescing to her requests is simply a way to get bad or no service, because by never saying no, you've relinquished control.

the question is, sensing my fondness for her, did joy make the right decision? i was prepared to cum in her mouth tomorrow, so more money would have flowed in. but instead, she made one attempt to seize my entire bank account (she also asked me how much money i have period, not just cash on me). rather than bleed me slowly, she made one attempt for everything, which raised an alarm. furthermore, she is not entirely correct on the assumption that every normal half hour she gives is a waste, since she could have done another with an extra for 100 euros. this assumption only makes sense during the messe and other busy nights during the year. in other words, her mathematics is inaccurate, since it doesn't account the variable of time (or day of the year, which hotels and airlines in contrast do account for, and adjust their rates accordingly). thinking of her body as a resource in a factory, its utilization is often below 100. her argument of self-interest would only be correct were she in the room (or fucking) close to 100% of the time, but once it slips to 50% of the time during her shift, which happens, not so correct. i can see an upfront, 'i'll only go to the room with you for 100 euros' during the messe, or any other busy time, as being rational. but trying to rip me off after the session on a quiet tuesday not so rational, so purely motivated by pride. maybe she misremembered, because in november she never mentioned her special rate, only tried to upsell in the room. anyway, just my way to convince myself that her intelligence is capped.

the night didn't quite end there. astrid remembered me from november and had a hot outfit on and her natural blonde hair specially styled. although we hadn't had great sessions in november (the physical pleasure notwithstanding) , she was willing to make conversation with me, even though i told her i wouldn't be going to the room. she sensed my mood had darkened, so i mentioned some chick had demanded 150 euros for an hour without extra. she seemed adamant to find out who it was, so eventually i told her. not sure exactly why she wanted to know, but she definitely wanted to know. seeing her walking around naked made me horny, and since she was putting in the conversation time, i made a mental note to do her tomorrow.

i met lisa again too at the whiskey bar around midnight. she said she had not had any customers that night for the time ever, so she was about to go home, unless i wanted to go the room with her. i told her tomorrow, so she left. actually we talked for a bit longer, her english is good, but i forget the topic. in any case, her towel was going down next to me on the couch quite a bit the next few days. there was a certain chemistry, though i would not call it 'mutual chemistry', with her more of a 'fuck friend' vibe.

oh, but yeah, german providers. kiara always had this look in her eyes betraying, 'i think you're an idiot. my affectation of horniness will surely seduce you'. 'and you don't notice that i notice and that annoys me', so i thought; not to mention that 'kidnap? ' wasn't very convincing. indeed, i like to be convinced, that's part of the fun, which is why (girls being permitted to) approach is essential. there are always so many girls for whom i'm 0. 7 or 0. 8, who i would just love to tip me to 1.

kiara was typically teamed up with jana, so i did not trust the latter either, not to mention her boobs were simply too big, and her body seemed a bit too sculpted. another blonde, this one with natural tits, katrine or katrina from wiesbaden had a look on her face saying, 'everyone is an idiot. just fuck me and pay me' (or maybe i'm just misreading her super-serious germanic face). that said, she displayed a great ass when she bent down to pick something up (so yeah, she went on my list because of that). but in general, there was too much good competition to bother risking it with them, who seem hustlers by nature, not necessity.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:33

so this is wednesday i believe. on wednesday i fucked astrid, maggie, gina, and lisa. the initial plan was to fuck fewer girls and spent more money on each, to indulge myself with extras, and see if there were a significant difference in the service. as always, if you don't want the extra, don't get it; but i felt like it after doing so many standard fucks on monday.

on tuesday i had been eyeing astrid the whole night. that night she displayed her natural hair, short blonde, in i guess what was an 80's hair style. it was pretty cool. i like it when the girls do something artistic with themselves, present something that is nice to look at it in itself (disinterested contemplation in fkk) , not just a lure to get you in the room. of course, everything besides her hair did lure into the room, but since i was kaputt, i just fantasized. she had this black outfit on, could not really call it clothes; two black sashes, one under her boobs, the other on her waist. i considering going into the kino, to let her come up to me and just suck my cock without saying a word. but principle prevailed; i would wait.

on wednesday astrid again has long dark brown hair (as she did in november). so i asked her about that, and she said she was wearing a wig. ah, i thought, so the, no, how can the blonde hair be a wig? that was too short. for the dark brown hair looked real and that's how i initially saw her. but of course she disabused me; long brown's the wig, short blonde is real. so i was thinking later, that the wig is really a great symbol of the illusion inherent in prostitution, or in the overall performance of the girl in gfe for example. as the wig is indistinguishable from real, so good gfe should be indistinguishable from real gf6, at least in the moment. and she has other wigs as well; and indeed, every wh0re is really a chameleon; or just a kunstlerin.

so we went to the room. in light of our discussion yesterday (about the ripoff) , she said, 'so. 50 euros, no extras, right? ' in a playful mood, indicating this was perfectly fine with her. however, since fantasies from last night still lingered in my brain, i informed her that i wanted to take the cim option. i repositioned her a few times, to get the best look at her body, while she sucked my cock. on the brink, but eyeing her as yet unpenetrated body, i initiated sex. in each position i had trouble holding it, so we went back to bj. however, now it took me a while to shoot, since i had come down from climax multiple times.

in the ast she told me about another provider who also wore wigs. after all, wearing a wig saves time and money on the preparation of the hair, and also partially preserves the anonymity of the girl (harder to identify her in public). however, this girl had the misfortune of a client fucking her roughly in doggy who started pulling her hair. well, the result? the wig flew off and the client freaked. he raced from the room, in a panic to the front desk, thinking he had just been fucking a post-op transsexual. management (this was another club) tried to explain to him, no, she's a girl, we assure you, she's just wearing a wig, many providers wear wigs (for the reasons mentioned above). even so, this guy was emotionally shaken. so now everytime before he goes to the room with a girl, he checks to see whether in fact she is a girl, by probing her hair. for him, any wig-wearing prostitute is still a transsexual. for him, any multiplicity of persona is automatically sexual deviance.

she actually asked me how much time it had been, since she had forgotten to record the start time of the session. we had a gone a few minutes over the half hour, but of course she was fine with 100 euros.

maggie (aus bulgarien) had been turning me on all tuesday night, sitting next to me at the whiskey bar, flaunted her huge tits and perfect nipples. brunette, petite body, maybe a bit too thin, but her shape is just right. at least a 9 in my book. no english, but she does speak german. so ostensibly we could communicate, but what's singular about maggie is her indifference to verbal communication. instead, she preserves a mercurial silence, talking with her eyes, rather than with speech. true, my german is not very good, but even so, she is not much of a communicator. as a beautiful picture, she has little need for words. i don't know, her eyes at once combine the rapacious wh0re and the loyal dog looking for love.

i admit, i did not want to probe her with a 50 euro session, seeing the louis vuitton bag. but my eyes having been mesmerized by her nipples the night before, the thought of ejaculating on her large tits, stirred me to action. that or coming in her mouth, whatever the flow of the session dictated. well, sooner or later maggie walked by while i was seating on the couch by the kino (actually the couch to the left of that, a bit closer to the center circle; this is a good place to watch the action). not much of a verbal communicator, but sex is a universal language. so she looks at me, her eyes light up, and she moves her closed hand to her open mouth in the universal sign of the blowjob. but i just summon her over to the couch, i don't want to be persuaded that easily. some touching, i try to initiate conversation in german, which quickly leads to an 'invitation' to go the room. well, a bit too quick, but she's been on my to-do list for a while, so what the hell. some girls at palace are willing to spent time with you on the couch (for example, paulina-slovenia, lisa-romania, etc.) , but many are not, a known flaw in the club's culture.

in the room, i inform maggie of my intentions, but i forgot to express them in german, but her muted reaction to this speech wasn't any different than that on other occasions. so maybe she understood, maybe not. the whole world of words for her was, at best, highly optional. well anyway, her blowjob was phenomenal, no teeth, and she had me on the brink within minutes. at one point, she had to scratch her nose, but she kept my cock in her mouth, while staring into my eyes. i informed her that i was ready for sex, so she takes out a strawberry condom. hmmm, i thought, that indicates a taste for cbj's with noobs, but no matter, i'm enjoying this. the sex in multiple positions is 'traumhaft'. feeling my control loosening, i pull out of her and whip off the condom. eventually she understands what is going to happen to her. so she holds up her tits, offering several different displays, until i indicate the one she should maintain. not long after i drench her silicon breasts with a copious about of sperm. she looks down at the cum, then poses in the mirror at a few angles, seeing what she looks like (thus decorated).

my only regret is that she was a bit quick to wipe off the cum. it was a nice visual, after all. she asks if she can smoke a cigarette, 'das geht? ' i inform her i don't mind (even though i'm a non-smoker, i don't mind letting the girl smoke after the session; it adds 'depth' to the experience). we talk for a while, or at least try to. she asks the same question multiple times, i suppose my answer wasn't complete enough. at one point i ask her how she got into prostitution, but i accidentally said 'why' instead of 'how'. well, maggie just rubs her thumb over her fingers, the universal sign of holding money. she knew the word 'das geld', but prefers to mime. she eventually smoked her thin lady's cigarette to the embers and suggested we extend the session and have sex again. but knowing i would need a longer recovery and having thoroughly enjoyed myself, i just told her, 'all good things. '

tried gina, didn't really click with her. she asked me what i do for a living, which is something that sounds boring, unless you have inside information on the field. of course, her butt felt good in my hands during the massage, that goes without saying. well, owing to the hype on isg, i asked her to suck me off. i don't know, her blowjob wasn't really doing it for me. granted i had fucked twice and it was late for her, so her jaw must been very tired, holding it wide open all day. as a result, the bj became rather toothy when she increased the speed. her slow bj was quite good, however, but whenever i was enjoying it, she resumed the fast. i tried to tell her, just slow, but the thoughts are not so clear on the edge of delirium. eventually, she stopped and looked at me, as if to say, 'boy, this is exhausting, i'm doing my best, but this is hard work'. i told her, ok, i'll just finish inside you. missionary position was quite nice. one unique skill gina has is the ability to move her right leg to adjust the depth and angle of the penetration, thus increasing your excitement. well, i came. for some reason, finishing in the vagina was a non-issue for me on this trip, while mouth finishes were sometimes not forthcoming. i don't know, unless the girl has saskia's technique, there has to be a deeper psychological engagement for the man to enjoy the oral sex (light turns on in idiot's head). this is where i made my only financial mistake of the trip. thinking i had committed to a 100 euro session, i paid her the 100, even though she didn't actually get my cock off with her mouth. well, she tried for nearly half an hour, i thought, plus we may have run over the 30 minutes. but there is no defense for this weakness: it fully deserves the wrath of the critical monger. i became a weak, cowardly idiot.

but oh well, a battle was lost, but not the war. lisa from romania approached again. we sat down for a while together on the couch, my hands caressing her large, natural but shapely, boobs. this time, i believe, she was careful to cancel her cigarette breath with a mint. anyway, holding her soft natural body, my loins quickly became fully aroused, so it was time to go to the room. it was a bit cold, so i left my robe on while we got on the bed. some gentle touching, holding, before she elevates herself with purpose, her hands reaching for my robe. undoing the knot, undraping my cock, she proceeds to suck the shaft, again using just mouth and spreading her body before me, like a concubine on the divan. naturally, i savored the pleasure, the senses of sight and touch glutted with bliss. she paused for a second, as though to indicate sex, but i just shook my head. she asked out loud if i wanted to cum in her mouth, i just said, 'shhh', putting a finger to my lips. she understood, somehow compressing an eternity into a half hour for my benefit.

but again i was not cumming orally. i asked her if she wanted to take a break (we could do a longer session) , which she gladly accepted, taking her place on the pillow. the proximity to her warmth and the feel of her breasts dictated to me the necessity of sex. i slowly slid inside her for a slow missionary. our motions hitherto had been interspersed with dialogue i've cut out, but which enhanced the experience. my only complaint at this point was that she would only kiss for extra. yeah, i finally wanted to kiss. this annoyed me, but since the session had been going so well so far, and since nonetheless i felt a certain chemistry with her, i overlooked this flaw. also, in missionary i tend to elevate my upper body far above the woman's, which gives my penis a more optimal angle below. when i rest my upper body on hers, i dislike the angle i get and the loss in pumping leverage. my default position is a non-kissing one, otherwise her restriction would have spoiled the moment. i thought i was in her the full half hour, before surrendering my seed to her womanhood. but she informs me, no, we have 15 minutes left. so she smokes and we talk a while.

as you may recall, the night previous she was ungefickt. so she tells me she went to bed once she got home, fell asleep i started dreaming. 'i was flying and it felt so good', whereat i informed her of sigmund freud's interpretation of flying dreams as sexual wish-fulfillment. but i told her, that freudian interpretation may only hold for males, i was not sure, although in her case it made perfect sense. indeed, she informs me, 'when i was younger i always had these dreams, and i wondered why'. a woman in heat from a young age, apparently.

lisa said she completed an economics degree at a university in bucharest, but of course could find no job. well, a friend informed her of the palace. she mulled over the decision for 3 months, she said, before finally taking the plunge. among her motivations, she told me, was simply the need for sex. 'i don't like romanian guys', she said, 'so before my first day, i had not had sex for 8 months'. also, she said, 'i don't like to have a boyfriend, i like being independent'. so by working as a prostitute she sates her need for sex and money, what a perfect job. 'what was it like being naked on your first day? '. 'oh, i never had a problem with that. ' indeed, she prefers to go naked on lingerie day. about the sexual craving, she said she still remembers vividly her first sex experience in the palace. 'a big muscly guy approach me, and said, i'm taking you'. not bad after no sex for 8 months. '

her attitude was that it was bizarre such a fit stud should be paying her for the sex, rather than vice-versa. although i am no 'fit stud', this eventually became a point of contention between us. i seriously got the impression she enjoyed having sex with me, so i got annoyed that i should have to pay her for her own pleasure. on the kissing point, she later apologized, and admitted that she usually includes kissing for no extra if the guy insists upon it before going to the room. when i mentioned the acronym gfe to her, she said she had no heard of it, then i explained the details, dfk, daty, etc. and she said, 'oh, i make a lot of money selling that, guys always want to buy it in the room'. details like this make it hard to recommend her without extreme reservations. but the point of the matter, is that for her the upsell is to her economical advantage and there are many guys willing to pay without a second thought. she said the great majority of customers are not well-informed of the actual rules.

so, yeah, call me stupid, but i just don't feel like paying if she's actually enjoying it. a dubious statement (routard would say, there's no greater pleasure than giving pleasure to a woman) , but i guess fitting for one who claimed gfe not to be the holy grail of mongering. on other notes, lisa said her name was initially isabella, but people couldn't understand it, so she shortened it to isa, which then everyone interpreted as lisa, so she stopped resisting error and assumed the name.

finished the night with sauna and dampfbad. i never mean to denigrate the sex when i say it, but for me the sauna is always the best fuck of the day. somehow it's such a satisfying bodily experience.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:34

As I said earlier, I repeated Saskia On Friday. I also went with Astrid Again, Stella, and Angelina-Spain. As Dandriller has noted below, Stella from Morocco is absolutely terrible and provides next to no service whatsoever. But for me, there were warnings. Uncommunicative at the bar, even though I was interested in a session, was walking away, before I explicitly told her I wanted to go to the room. Even then she wasn't thrilled. Why was I such an idiot? Hot tits, exotic look. My first session had been amazing, my second at least interesting, so I didn't mind gambling on the third. Well, in fact for me, going with Angelina-Spain on the fourth was an even bigger gamble, given my 'bad' session with her in November (the first session was good though). In reality, it wasn't really bad, I just thought it was bad.

Anyway, back to Stella. Terrible toothy blowjob, somehow got hard. Sex in doggystyle felt good, could have blown it immediately, but wanted to get my money's worth. After 2 minutes in response to my pace change, she says, 'Did you cum? ' Yeah, buzzkill. Switch to missionary anyway, and it's head turned, pressed to the pillow for dear life, eyes absolutely closed as though to shield her sight from the monster. Pull out, handjob offered, declined. Session over. Or almost over. On the way out, I say, 'You know, I'm not expecting you to enjoy this, I know I'm paying, but you could at least provide the service. ' Now what follows is weird. She says she doesn't like hard sex, she likes it slow and romantic, 'you know, kissing'. I say, 'Ah, I didn't know that you kissed. Most girls don't kiss'. Then she indicated what Dandriller had been saying (I don't know who you are or what you look like, but one problem with the Palace culture is the sparse interaction between mongers, partially because of so many foreign languages I suppose) , that she only wanted kissing on the boobs and below. 'Aha', I said. Then she started complaining about how some guys want wedding night sex, that they don't get this is pay6. I was thinking, 'No, you don't get that this is pay6 and that you're a wh0re providing a service'. In spite of her 5 years at the Palace (5 years too many) , she has no capacity to separate her emotions from the act, which is supposed to be the trademark of any seasoned wh0re. She can't help but have an emotional reaction to the deed and also display, be controlled by it. If the response is negative, she offers no service. Yet she says, she can only get into the session if it's 'romantic', so she needs emotion to get revved up as well; she can't simply do her work.

Before that I had had sex with Astrid Again. The sex was good, but there was not much going on until the end. She wasn't very talkative today. Later I figured since I always said Yes to her, she had lost interest in me, that is, interest in winning me over. I had become too easy, so there was no effort for her to get me into the room. So the service too could slack, if I would never say No. Perhaps, but the other issues were revealed in the AST. Let's just say something with her boyfriend, which had her talking with great passion in English for a while. Also, annoyance at the clientele this evening. Many big muscly guys, she said, trying to impress her in bed, trying to prove to her that they're the best at sex, flexing their muscles in the mirror, as in American Psycho. 'If you're really the best, then go out and fuck for free'.

I had seen Angelina Earlier in the week, she greeted me with 'Happy new year'. Her English seems to have somehow acquired a New York twang, not sure how to explain it. But evidently she didn't think our last session together in November had been a disaster, or she hadn't remembered: same difference. Well, I dig Angelina physically, she is the fittest girl in the club for certain. I saw Angelina around the pool area (the pool now seems to be a hot-tub) , trying to catch mongers, but none were biting. Well, I said, seeing her buttocks flutter as she walked, I would take the plunge. I asked her if she would mind doing a normal session (since she had tried to upsell anal last time) , and she said that would be fine.

In the room, she asks if she may use a condom during the blowjob. Seeing me hesitant, she says matter-of-factly, we don't have to if you don't want to, it's just safer for me and for you. She didn't seem to have ulterior motives, so I just said, 'I have no argument', To that, she burst out laughing, 'You're treating this like we're in court'. 'Well, in a sense, we are', I said, as she started sucking. There was enough sensation to get my prick excited. I craved intercourse with her, so the cover wasn't a big deal. The blowjob was just a means to an end. Well, I start in missionary. I have never actually done missionary with her before, on each of our previous fucks, I could not pull myself from the pleasure of her buttocks. Well, the view in missionary is also delicious, she's sculpted, her fake boobs look nice, although I don't like the feel of them (but I wasn't feeling them with my technique in this position, just looking, especially at the nipples). Her motions and sounds of involvement may have been fake, but she was interested in providing pleasure for her client. Last time I had been with her, it was very late and she was tired, but now she was full of energy, ready to make sure I enjoyed the experience of her body (she knew well my weakness for her). I informed her I had a critical problem: I could not decide to finish in her now in missionary, or to switch to doggy. We stayed in missionary, until she decided it was time to switch to doggystyle with me grabbing her butt. 'I know you want it', and with her persuasion I was only too glad to madly thrust to bliss. The AST was good, but it was between me and her, not really representative of the mongering experience (so it's cut out) , although at one point she mentioned I should at least try an extra at some point (not necessarily with her, she meant in general). I had to confess I had with other girls. What I should have said though, is that if doggystyle with her were 50 euros extra, I would pay extra. Her butt is really that perfect. Anyway, third time's a charm.

Oh, but I almost missed the highlight of the night. The blonde Czech bartender with the dark red glasses Took it upon herself to improve my German, while I gave her some lessons in English (which she's learned exclusively at Palace in addition to Italian). She also tried some Czech on me, but I proved hopeless. The only word I knew, I told her, was 'becherovka', the name of the some authentic Czech spirit. At that she lit up, 'Oh, that drink is brewed in my town, I'm from Karlsbad'. Later, I accidentally spilled my drink (just water) on her; her reaction of playful chastisement: 'you just gave me a shower I didn't need. ' She kept me more interested than the horde of naked women in the immediate vicinity. But of course interaction with her was free and easy: I was already completely sexually satisfied.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:34

saturday morning at the hotel i noticed a mark on my penis, reddish. i wasn't sure whether it was just a slightly inflamed follicle (which is nothing) or an std. fearing the worst, after breakfast, i got on the internet and started researching stds on webmd. well, how else to put it? the pictures were so absolutely disgusting that i almost fainted. i stumbled to the sink in the bar, on the verge of vomiting my breakfast. i had seen too much, peering into the mouth of cerberus, all the sicknesses, all the maladies raining down on us, punishing us for our lust. i was seriously convinced i had syphilis (what did i say about capacity for self-delusion?) , while the hotel receptionist asked if i wanted her to call the hospital. well, my worst fear was getting sick in europe without health insurance, but as it turns out the bills are not so outrageous as in america. anyway, not sure what the problem was, and figuring i could get an std check out of it as well, i said ok. for some reason i was sent to the chest pain unit (apparently somehow for the fainting symptom) , had to wait a while, while numerous odors creeped into the hallway, apparently from senior citizens who had just suffered heart attacks and were unconsciously shitting. meanwhile, certain important machines were periodically beeping, sentries between life and death. well, this didn't make sense, the doctor said, so he summoned a urologist instead to take a look at me. the urologist said what i said above, that it was a hair follicle inflammation, no disease. the bill was nominal, although the german receptionist for some reason couldn't add three figures in her head without a calculator. quite shocking. so we walked all the way to the front of the bill where she found another receptionist with a calculator. so yeah, the great scare. i temporarily lost my mind.

though all systems were ready to go, residue of the paranoia lingered in my brain, so i opted for covered blowjobs today. the menu was janita and twice with lulu from austria. the session with janita was uninspiring. not surprisingly, she had forgotten what we talked about in november, but nonetheless i was disappointed. although this was a repeat session, there was no depth. so i won't bother repeating with her. she didn't have that winsome charm to rekindle my interest in her. then again it was just a quick session before dinner. objectively, i have to rate her rear view superior to the front, her boobs are simply too big for her frame, as though she went from a to d. i had difficulty finishing in her from the front, so we switched back to the back where i came. while janita usually gives good service and is personable, because she gives it to nearly everyone, she is no prize for me. it's just the gfe illusion, and certain nothing approaching routard's mutual chemistry. for me, get getting moments of honesty, realism, from the tougher (more guarded) wh0res is more interesting.

lulu proved a (too) tough nut to crack in the quest for greater intimacy (or the depth experiment: i went with her 4 rounds in a row). she's a very professional provider (in terms of preserving boundaries with the client) with certain nuances bound to annoy, such as holding the condom ('yes, but not all clients tell you [that it's fallen off]') , keeping her head turned and eyes open during the massage, and so on. but she had a hot body, especially a superb ass. what induced me to repeat with her, though, was the singular way in which she talked. 'good you make sport. i love to make sport' (which she pronounced 'schport') , she would say whenever i came in her and finished. 'but now only sport three times a week, i work so much'.

if it's only three times a week, i can't tell. she is super-strong. not an amazon, but a short, stout milkmaid, although not from the alps, but graz in osterreich, the easternmost german outpost before the swathes of slavic lands to the east. she was fully capable of lifting me from the bed with her right arm only. 'i need to lose some weight', (she doesn't) , 'but muscle weighs more than fat, so it's hard for me. '

but i can tell she works so much. although she was not present the first few days, whenever i saw her, she worked 11 am to 3 am, apparently saving money to be financially secure for the rest of her life (she got fucked at least 10 times on a slow sunday). she has a certain toughness to her face, although which welcomely gives way to a smile after you've came in her and are lying down side by side in bed. ('can you feel the silicon? ' 'yes, but i love the shape'.) i initially got the impression she ran away from home, when she said she's been on her own since 16 (she's 24 now, and by her admission has also been smoking for 12 years, hence the difficulty in quitting: 'believe me, i've tried, twice, but i could not'). but she said no, she had simply been working in gastronomie (apparently catering) at a restaurant, and the restaurant was far away from home, so she just stayed in that town. at night she would work in a discotheque, which is why her arm is so strong: she had to be able to pour 5 drinks at once. but of course normal jobs didn't pay that well (after expenses, she said, she had only 200 euros per month) , hence the lure of prostitution. at first she tried escorting in austria, but the issue of having to serve just any client, who she had never seen before, in his hotel room, led her to seek the greener pastures of fkk.

i fucked her 4 times in total. on a sunday when she approached, i said, 'maybe you can persuade me later'. 'oh, i think i can! ' with a nod and a rare smile. i was curious to see if it there would be any progression of plot (a depth experiment). not really, but i enjoyed each of the sessions physically. she suggested i try cim with her (i had since gone back to uncovered blowjobs on sunday; on saturday she actually argued that i should let her do the uncovered blowjob because 'the sensation is so much better'). 'or perhaps you want to cum on the breast:' (patting her boobs) , 'it make for a beautiful finish. ' these i declined, but i did opt for a longer session with her on sunday. her massage is absolutely excellent, perhaps her best service skillwise (strong hands). i wasn't in any rush to let her blow me to conclusion, having experienced the bliss of saskia's bj. in this session, i opted for a slow missionary (if i were to enter her from behind, the bliss of her buttocks would commit me to finish in that position, in fact thinking of such sex with her almost made me masturbate in the hotel between visits). surprisingly, she does kiss. not much tongue, though, more of a lip massage and rather mechanical (there's no rhythm to it, leading to greater excitement).

if mechanical, at least straightforward: 'i walk by the room and the girl is screaming. why does she do that? it is false. ' as for whether she feels anything, she gave the general 'this position' (doggy) 'is the best for a woman. here we are most sensitive. ' but she did not know the specific anatomical terms in english (perhaps g-spot, etc.). she didn't seem to be the biggest fan of cowgirl, mentioning that some clients that just lay there and do absolutely nothing, expecting her to ride them the entire half hour. she didn't seem bitter, just perplexed how one could not know how physically demanding that is.

lulu has several tattoos on her body. a demon on her right arm, some unfinished abstract design on her left, and roses on her legs. artistic enough, not an excessive amount of ink. lulu is not of the opinion that it's necessary to stay the full 30 minutes in the room. when she was sitting next to me on the couch once, after having cleaned up after a session with another client, i made some lame joke about gravity and time dilation. she got the hint. when i said her previous session was just 10 minutes, she corrected me, saying it was just 6, 'but we are not here for that', referring to socialization in the room, 'and the session is not 30, but up to 30 minutes. ' she does engage in ast, but does not prolong the session once the conversation reaches a natural pause, which could be 5 minutes. 10 minutes, or 0.

as regards getting a full 30 minute session, one mistake i tend to make is to let the girl start the blowjob immediately (she doesn't want your cock, just the conclusion). since it is difficult to think in this situation, it's better to blindly follow a protocol for room behavior. indeed, i found i got much better service, once i started with fondling or massage, letting the excitement build, before letting her take my penis in her mouth. the pattern [massage, blowjob, sex, smoke (for her) ] seemed to work reasonably well. the key really is that the faculty of reason stay awake and enforce these rules. even if you don't smoke, letting the girl smoke sometimes makes the experience more interesting.

anyway, as you can see, there are many details that suggest you should never session with lulu, that she is a cold, uninspiring provider. i can vouch unconditionally only for the physical pleasure of her body. otherwise, i was simply taken by the way she talked, which is difficult to here reproduce in text. somehow, in spite of her professional overlay, there was a certain animal earnestness to her. 'good you make sport, i love to make sport. '

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:35

The other events on Sunday were the sauna ceremonies with Master Achilles (Akhil or Ahil from Bosnia, the sauna master of masters) , conversation with one of the German bartenders, and sex with Paulina (Slovenia) and Marketa (Romania). For me, Sunday was just the best day, everything was so slow, it was like being on a ship meandering through the doldrums, the warm winds wafting on the deck. None of the hectic pressure of the night before, with the urgent pulsating music, and excessive crowds. Breakfast was excellent, some fresh fried eggs in addition to choicer treats. I saw Kiara at breakfast; she looks better completely naked (she usually wears some mesh over her breasts) with her hair pulled back. Indeed, much of the Sunday lineup was girls who had also worked Saturday night, so there was no significant drop in talent. But the pace and pressure had vanished, as had the cold draft in the front from the frequent admission of new clients.

Of course for one of the German bartenders, things were going too slowly. 'Just don't look at your watch, ' I said. We talked about music for a bit. When she said, 'Business German is the new English', I mentioned to her a Die Prinzen song 'Be Cool Speak Deutsch. ' 'Ah, they were big in the '90's, are you sure they're back? ' 'They sure are, ' I replied. When we talked about interests, she asked, 'Are you by any chance the nerdy type? ' 'No, not really, ' I replied. 'So you don't play any video games. ' 'Oh, no, the only game I play now is chess. ' 'Ah, well, I do. ' 'Really, what games? ' 'World of Warcraft, ' she eventually confessed. So that's what she was seeking with the 'nerdy' question; and it takes one to know one: I had been addicted to that game in the past. Then she was asking me how some book involving characters from the game world ended. 'Now, now, ' I replied jokingly, 'I was never that much of a loser. '

I asked her if she were shocked on her first day. 'Well, yeah, I just had to tell myself, don't pay attention, just keep your eyes focused straight ahead. ' 'What do you say, when people ask you where you work? ' 'Well, ya know (dot dot dot). ' 'Just make sure they don't get the wrong idea. ' Had she thought of quitting? 'Yes, immediately. But the Palace pays better than normal bars and eventually I got used to the atmosphere. ' 'You know, in some ways, ' I said, 'the brothel is just like a role-playing game. All the girls have their stage names and are simply pretending they like you. '

I mentioned to her that I was upset I had forgotten my watch today at the hotel. She said, 'Oh, well, there's a clock right there' [above the locker room entrance]. 'Yes, but, it tends to help for business here, ya know, making sure 30 minutes doesn't somehow magically morph into 35. ' 'They do that? ' 'Oh, indeed, they do. '

The sauna master's ceremonies were excellent. I was telling Managerin Anne afterwards, 'Besser als ficken', which raised a laugh. The Palace staff does seem interested in feedback in general, so it's somewhat difficult for me to reconcile this outward stance from the facts reported in this thread. I did not bother complaining about individual girls, though when I mentioned the 150 euros for an hour without extras upsell, they seemed really concerned. 'Oh, next time, come to us immediately, so the girl gets in trouble. We really don't want rumors going around about the club. ' If this is true, they seem rather out of touch, as far as perception of the girls is concerned.

When I expressed wonderment that the sauna services were free, the sauna master said, 'Well, we just want to acquaint people with sauna culture. ' So apparently there's more to it than just sitting there and sweating. 'This morning at 10 AM I boiled the fresh mint, ' so apparently there's some science involved with the preparation of herbs and so on, they have different benefits for the skin. In any case, my skin looked and felt a lot better. So even if you weren't having sex, you're definitely getting your money's worth on the 75 euro entrance fee. After the sweating in the dry heat, Achilles took us to the steam bath, where he rubbed the salt in circles on our arms and back. 'You can also put it on your cheeks and nose, but not on the forehead, for then it gets in the eyes. ' The purpose of rubbing (the Dead Sea) salt into the skin, he said, is to replace the many minerals you lost while sweating in the sauna. Also, 'When you shower, don't use soap, for your pores are open, and you don't want to clog them so they can't breathe. ' Upon inspection (a sniff here and there) , I found the body does maintain a pleasant odor from the fragrance he used in the sauna. There's also a reading room by the Dampfbad with a lamp you can turn up to defeat the dimness of the place. However, the TV in that room is often playing softcore porn, so yeah, good luck. But hey, it was actually pretty good porn, getting you back in the mood after your wellness.

More relaxing than the sex on Sunday, was simply the possibility of sex. Nothing to worry about, no rush. A Dominican beauty sprawled here on the couch, a glaring European (I mean with her eyes) willing to suck your soul, and so on.

So yeah, for me I realized that morning and afternoon are really 'prime time' in the place. The only reason I'd go at night is to access the 9 o'clock girls who are sometimes choice.

Occultus

01-13-12, 17:37

Sensing that the depth experiment with Lulu had run its course, I decided to revert to breadth for the evening. (Yeah, I stayed in the evening, I had a few more fucks in me.) Something different this time, something new, to break the cycle of Lulu. Marketa passed by, and I had fancied this lithe Romanian since Monday, but had yet to take the plunge, wondering how the departure from my Beuteschema would suit me. Well, I also eyed Paulina, had wanted to go with her in November, but the opportunity, or the magnetism of two souls, had not come to pass. Paulina was approaching many mongers, sitting in a squatting position, revealing her ass to me, while they beheld only her silicon tits. I would say a C cup, combined with perfectly fit abs. Short dyed ice blonde hair today, a sort of intimating glare to her face, an invitation to hedonism, but also to something else, beyond hedonism, some terrible indulgence of some sort.

When Paulina went back to the stool on which her towel lay, I slowly approached her. Eventually I cross her radius of proximity, our eyes locked: I wasn't just passing by, I wanted business. I informed her I had been staring at her, but she's been going for the wrong guys. 'Well, ' she replied, 'Every time you've been here in the past you've never gone with me. ' So the huntress clearly knew her prey. She came over to the couch where I had been sipping my water. There was a language barrier. I was trying to goad her into persuading me to go to the room with her, to tip my 0. 9 to a 1 (slavery to sexual necessity). But she thought I wanted her to talk dirty to me. 'Well, I know how to do that, but we can go to the Kino or the room. ' At that point I figured physical communication would suffice (her English somehow became remarkably better when was in the heat of the act, though; somehow sex helped her to find the right words; that her domina personality quickened her mind).

The room was a bit cold, so I asked her to turn on the heat. She reluctantly agreed, knowing she might overheat during the performance. She removed her top, which covered only her shoulders, upper arms, and upper back, and was tied together below her exposed silicon breasts. She approached me, seated in the chair, untying the knot supporting my robe. So we would start with the blowjob, she didn't look like a fondling on the bed type: such gentle foreplay for her was a lie for those who want to believe that sex is frolicking and fun, sheltered from the darkness engulfing the ceremony of innocence.

I told her I'd let her do the blowjob uncovered. 'Why would you want it covered? ' I mentioned some incidents in which the wh0re had bitten my dick, which didn't seem entirely healthy. 'Ah, ' she said, 'her jaw must have been tired. In that case, she can't open her mouth fully, ' so the quality declined. This was explained also physically, while she was sucking cock, I seated on the chair. We moved to the bed. 'And you know, a lot of jaws are going to be tired next week. The Messe. We're going to have to suck off India and Pakistan' (textile Messe). 'The Messe is', (vicious motion with the hand and mouth) , 'all night, just that. '

But then she got in the groove. The trademark of her blowjob is how she slaps the hard dick against her tongue. Also, she glared into the mirror, watching herself suck, as though to make sure she was in top form. I was looking at her, looking at herself right in the eyes, the pupils radiating a demonic intensity, as though to say, 'You have not seen what I've seen. You've never done what I've done. '

'May I suggest a position? ' she said. I acquiesced and she commenced an athletic reverse cowgirl, not requiring any assistance from me to position herself or make the motions. Her pussy seems to have a bit more mileage that than of the average working girl, can't explain exactly how, nothing visually disturbing, just a sense you get once your 'sample size' of wh0res fucked increases, I suppose. She later told me, she's been in the trade for 7 years; in that session I felt pulled by her personality through each of those 7.

We switched positions a few times. In doggystyle, she stuck two fingers up her own ass without a thought, again staring at herself in the mirror to savor the effect. I was having trouble finishing, so immediately proceeded to such my penis, an unhesitant vag-to-mouth. I told her to remove the condom, so she could suck me off. This brought me to the brink, but not quite the conclusion, so I stopped her, started stroking my cock, she got the message and lay down, holding her breasts together, while I unloaded all over her upper body. Then we started the AST, my legs over hers, hers between mine, while I supported myself on my knees, my dick resting on her stomach, while she considered the offering of cum. She didn't offer or upsell any extras, but she got it by being so PSE (that's an understatement) , it seems in the spirit of the session, such a finish seemed to be my role in the performance, and I would not disappoint.

(As an aside, on Monday, I talked in the locker room with this German guy. He didn't understand my German and his English was limited. He kept on praising the advent of brothels in German society. 'So much less sex crime, so much less sex crime. We really need this relaxation. ')

I asked Paulina if she had ever performed in porn. But she said, No, she saw no reason to. Many producers, she said, have the misconception they can lure FKK girls ('they want the hot bodies with silicon tits') into making porn for $3000. 'But why should I accept that, while he makes many thousand more, when on the Messe I can make 1000 euros a night? ' Taking such a small portion of the profits held no allure for her. I said, 'But what about the days when it's slow. Sometimes I just see girls laying around. ' She replied, 'Well, say that girl just went to the room for half an hour. You don't know what perversions she's just satisfied, and each of those is extra. ' Then she started talking about the unwritten menu. 'German guys have the weirdest sexual fantasies. Believe me, if it exists, I've seen it. I regularly have to fuck these guys in the ass with a strap-on, or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in that guy's face, and that's not the half of it. ' So referring to the aside above, it's as though the underworld of sex crimes and perversions has not gone away, but just migrated. I asked Paulina if she's ever had to shit in a German's mouth, but to that she said, No, however she knew where they went: 'It's cheaper there after all, there's no reason for them to pay the entry fee to do it here. ' And she also mentioned how Italians like the fingers up the ass, so they can cum quicker. And of course she was no stranger to the whip: however, for my part, I preferred to just see it in her eyes and not feel the wrath on my skin (She did not smite me, but had she, would I have loved it?).

So thus Paulina, a representative of the extra-social continuum of sex, a soul from the pages of Swinburne; a reminder that crime has not gone away, one just tries to incorporate it. But She shall defy Him.

After the tour of Hell with Paulina as my guide, I suppose I wanted to retreat to the white, savor (if not corrupt) some innocence. Marketa Summoned, she sat down next to me on the couch. 'It took you a week to finally make up your mind! ' she said, exasperated and relieved. I had expressed some interest in her earlier, but had not taken her to the room. 'Well, No never means Never, ' I said. My hands caressed her body, my eyes drinking in her milky white skin. Her breasts were small, yet soft to the touch, filling the hand. Her dancer's body had a delicious suppleness, softness but shape. I had seen her naked walk by enough times; now was the time. She had just eaten; she reminded me that the restaurant would soon close, if I wanted to take my final meal. But my mind was resolved, I would prey on her.

In the room I pressed her to me, my hands devouring every inch of her silky form. Would this deviation from my prey-scheme be a concern? Not so, my loins were enraged by her innocence. I let her mouth humiliate itself on my shaft, moistening my member, transporting me to the final stages of arousal. Nay, just the brink, for I would have her body too, defile her temple with my spear. A lithe and limber girl, but with round soft buttocks to protect her from the poundings of my lust, a delicious backside to enrage my eye, transform any saint into a ravenous wolf, seven years unfed. Criminal I became, yet not above fatigue. Laying her on her back, her eyes orbs filled with fear, I increased the tempo of my feast, recklessly. Her body was now a city under siege, defenseless, surrounded by hordes of heathens, burning with lust. And (dot dot dot).

I came inside her in a tremendous orgasm, totally out of breath, and she burst out laughing, trying to contain her giggles at my delight and exhaustion. I lay prostrate on the bed, while she stretched her legs, stretches only a dancer would do, perhaps a ballerina. She's 25 years old, been working at the Palace for about a year. I'm glad I chose her for the final fuck. Was worth it getting gutted 4 euros on the money machine.